Make us mean and hated by the rest. One season only, get us back up. JT is a winner and will help to change the slack ass culture. He's still a horrible bloke but I honestly think he will help in some way.
Make us mean and hated by the rest. One season only, get us back up. JT is a winner and will help to change the slack ass culture. He's still a horrible bloke but I honestly think he will help in some way.
I'd love us to be hated because we won all the time. Not because we provided pensions for detestable human beings.
Bang
All my hopes and optimism for the club just vanished.
If anyone really thinks this bloke could give two fucks about Aston Villa then I hope and pray that you are right and I am wrong but like so many misguided moves of the past, this has all the hallmarks of a gamble that just won't work.
As he seems a tad divisive i've added a poll for the hell of it.
Make us mean and hated by the rest. One season only, get us back up. JT is a winner and will help to change the slack ass culture. He's still a horrible bloke but I honestly think he will help in some way.
I'd love us to be hated because we won all the time. Not because we provided pensions for detestable human beings.
I would take both.
Then again Terry is not one of my "I am done with this club till he is gone" players. I have some of those, but he isnt one. I do respect those fellow fans who do feel that way though.
As he seems a tad divisive i've added a poll for the hell of it.
Tad divisive? PWS you win the most understated post of the year award.
He's the very last person I'd want to see playing for us, and I include Carol Decker in that. He won't even be effective. This is a dreadful idea.
As he seems a tad divisive i've added a poll for the hell of it.
Tad divisive? PWS you win the most understated post of the year award.
Woohoo. Where's my prize?
He had an affair and made a racist comment. I think possibly a lot of people are living in glass houses and throwing stones.
He had an affair and made a racist comment. I think possibly a lot of people are living in glass houses and throwing stones.
He's the very last person I'd want to see playing for us, and I include Carol Decker in that. He won't even be effective. This is a dreadful idea.
You bastard!! What the fuck has Carol ever done to you? She'd make a cracking centre half. And possibly be slightly more welcome than JT!!
Glad to see he's addressing the issue of pace in our defence by signing essentially a racist oak tree.
Glad to see he's addressing the issue of pace in our defence by signing essentially a racist oak tree.
Lol... made me chuckle. Fuck we are screwed sideways if Terry, Whelan, Elhomady and Johstone are the master plan.
Assuming that it is the manager's decision, Steve Bruce is p****** me off. First bringing back GA and now JT. Why not go for the hat-trick Steve and bring Richards back into the team.
He's a detestable cnut, but he's considering dropping down a division rather than looking to the states or China for his last pay check, so hopefully he is motivated more by the football than the cash.
We have been far too easily bullied, intimidated and pushed aside for too long, so if he brings some steel (with a side order of nastiness), I'm prepared to give him the benefit of doubt. However, if he puts one foot wrong, he'll take an absolute hammering.
He's the very last person I'd want to see playing for us, and I include Carol Decker in that. He won't even be effective. This is a dreadful idea.
You bastard!! What the fuck has Carol ever done to you? She'd make a cracking centre half. And possibly be slightly more welcome than JT!!
Oh dear.
Assuming that it is the manager's decision, Steve Bruce is p****** me off. First bringing back GA and now JT. Why not go for the hat-trick Steve and bring Richards back into the team.
I thought bringing back Agbonlahor for the Small Heath match turned out quite well, didn't you?
Make us mean and hated by the rest. One season only, get us back up. JT is a winner and will help to change the slack ass culture.He's still a horrible bloke but I honestly think he will help in some way.
Make us mean and hated by the rest. One season only, get us back up. JT is a winner and will help to change the slack ass culture. He's still a horrible bloke but I honestly think he will help in some way.
I'd love us to be hated because we won all the time. Not because we provided pensions for detestable human beings.
I would take both.
Then again Terry is not one of my "I am done with this club till he is gone" players. I have some of those, but he isnt one. I do respect those fellow fans who do feel that way though.
That's fair enough. I fully understand that not everyone will feel as strongly about this as I do. (But just out of curiosity, who are the players that you consider to be more heinous than Terry?!?)
Assuming that it is the manager's decision, Steve Bruce is p****** me off. First bringing back GA and now JT. Why not go for the hat-trick Steve and bring Richards back into the team.
I thought bringing back Agbonlahor for the Small Heath match turned out quite well, didn't you?
And what else did he do in the rest of the games he played. £3m for one goal that Harry Redknapp's wife could have scored (until he ran her over). Great example for young players at the club.
You know, I remember when not being nasty enough c**ts was a massive problem that was going to be solved by bringing in Keane, Jedinak, Elphick, bringing back Hutton and so on. Perhaps we could try signing talent instead.
Joe Cole was a winner as well, the club even made sure we knew it by doing this.
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Glad to see he's addressing the issue of pace in our defence by signing essentially a racist oak tree.
You know, I remember when not being nasty enough c**ts was a massive problem that was going to be solved by bringing in Keane, Jedinak, Elphick, bringing back Hutton and so on. Perhaps we could try signing talent instead.
Signing talent??? You are so behind the times. Remember the 'Young and Hungry' Lambert plan? Then the 'cheap and cheerful plan'. It is like Baldrick from Blackadder with his 'cunning plans'. I'm terrified at what the next 'plan' might be.
Glad to see he's addressing the issue of pace in our defence by signing essentially a racist oak tree.
Pace isn't an issue, concentration is.
You know, I remember when not being nasty enough c**ts was a massive problem that was going to be solved by bringing in Keane, Jedinak, Elphick, bringing back Hutton and so on. Perhaps we could try signing talent instead.
Signing talent??? You are so behind the times. Remember the 'Young and Hungry' Lambert plan? Then the 'cheap and cheerful plan'. It is like Baldrick from Blackadder with his 'cunning plans'. I'm terrified at what the next 'plan' might be.
Yep, can't wait to pay millions to a scumbag to do things like this. Just what we need.&t=12s
Judging by how the FA seem to treat us, if it had been a Villa player he'd still be serving the ban.
You know, I remember when not being nasty enough c**ts was a massive problem that was going to be solved by bringing in Keane, Jedinak, Elphick, bringing back Hutton and so on. Perhaps we could try signing talent instead.
You know, I remember when not being nasty enough c**ts was a massive problem that was going to be solved by bringing in Keane, Jedinak, Elphick, bringing back Hutton and so on. Perhaps we could try signing talent instead.
We agree once more, Montague.
You know, I remember when not being nasty enough c**ts was a massive problem that was going to be solved by bringing in Keane, Jedinak, Elphick, bringing back Hutton and so on. Perhaps we could try signing talent instead.
We agree once more, Montague.
With pleasure, Sexual...bert.
What concerns me is ..... who has suggested this signing and who is advising the owner that it is a sensible move. For me it is a financial gamble with a potential to split the fan base just when we need everyone to be pulling in the same direction.
We all want promotion this season and yes we need to do everything we can to maximise the opportunity, however this smacks of desperation and mirrors numerous other risky signing we have made in the past - as a club we don't appear to learn by our expensive failings in the past ......
Joey Barton, James McClean to name two. I would also feel tested if Suarez showed up in a few years. Again I dont like John Terry, but he doesnt hit my button you know?
I thought we only had £1m to spend this summer? We will blow £3m on him in a year for starters.
Why would he not be captain? He's hardly going to come to the club if he's not captain.
Joey Barton, James McClean to name two. I would also feel tested if Suarez showed up in a few years. Again I dont like John Terry, but he doesnt hit my button you know?
Has Suarez really done anything that much worse?
I'd also like to big up Damon for seeing this coming about 3 years ago and changing his username appropriately.
Prescient stuff.
Why would he not be captain? He's hardly going to come to the club if he's not captain.
Because we have one already?
Why would he not be captain? He's hardly going to come to the club if he's not captain.
Why would he not be captain? He's hardly going to come to the club if he's not captain.
Because we have one already?
When it comes to captains and we have John Terry at the club he's the obvious choice as captain. Not James Chester
He's a massive, massive c*** and I personally would not piss on him if he were on fire, and I would seriously question his mental attitude coming here where we currently languish, but I can't believe anyone really thinks he wouldn't enormously improve our defence.
Joey Barton, James McClean to name two. I would also feel tested if Suarez showed up in a few years. Again I dont like John Terry, but he doesnt hit my button you know?
Has Suarez really done anything that much worse?
Has James McClean done anything at all?
Why would he not be captain? He's hardly going to come to the club if he's not captain.
Because we have one already?
When it comes to captains and we have John Terry at the club he's the obvious choice as captain. Not James Chester
Why, does he win more coin tosses?
Joey Barton, James McClean to name two. I would also feel tested if Suarez showed up in a few years. Again I dont like John Terry, but he doesnt hit my button you know?
Has Suarez really done anything that much worse?
Has James McClean done anything at all?
Pretty easy to see why some folks aren't convinced that a 36, soon to be 37, year old that has hardly played for a year may not improve our defence at all. First of all hardly any of us, or anyone, has seen him play much for a year, and secondly he actually needs to get on the pitch. Maybe he would improve us, it's hardly guaranteed though.
Exactly. However I don't believe you are 47 ;)He had an affair and made a racist comment. I think possibly a lot of people are living in glass houses and throwing stones.
I'm 47 and have found it easy not having an affair or racially abusing another person. I imagine a lot of other people have as well.
Why would he not be captain? He's hardly going to come to the club if he's not captain.
I remember years ago Wolves signed that guy from SHA and instantly made him captain and what was a stable dressing room totally disintegrated and they were relegated with a whimper.
I'm not a fan of making new players captain unless the incumbent actually suggests it which maybe Chester will do.
Why would he not be captain? He's hardly going to come to the club if he's not captain.
Because we have one already?
When it comes to captains and we have John Terry at the club he's the obvious choice as captain. Not James Chester
Why, does he win more coin tosses?
Is that all Captain does? If that's the case just give it Gabby.
Joey Barton, James McClean to name two. I would also feel tested if Suarez showed up in a few years. Again I dont like John Terry, but he doesnt hit my button you know?
Has Suarez really done anything that much worse?
Has James McClean done anything at all?
He is an anti British bigot who openly supports terrorists who murdered people in my home city. So yes. He is "not my cup of tea" as they say. He can fuck right off.
I'd also like to big up Damon for seeing this coming about 3 years ago and changing his username appropriately.Hail Damon. He is the true messiah.
Prescient stuff.
He's a massive, massive c*** and I personally would not piss on him if he were on fire, and I would seriously question his mental attitude coming here where we currently languish, but I can't believe anyone really thinks he wouldn't enormously improve our defence.
I'm sure Let's Argue About James McClean Day gets earlier every year.
I'm sure Let's Argue About James McClean Day gets earlier every year.
It's no Tit Monday to be fair.
He's a massive, massive c*** and I personally would not piss on him if he were on fire, and I would seriously question his mental attitude coming here where we currently languish, but I can't believe anyone really thinks he wouldn't enormously improve our defence.
BangSpot on. Do we have a plan? A scouting network? Someone watching the budget? We appear to me as much of a shambles as at any point in the last 10 years.
All my hopes and optimism for the club just vanished.
If anyone really thinks this bloke could give two fucks about Aston Villa then I hope and pray that you are right and I am wrong but like so many misguided moves of the past, this has all the hallmarks of a gamble that just won't work.
BangSpot on. Do we have a plan? A scouting network? Someone watching the budget? We appear to me as much of a shambles as at any point in the last 10 years.
All my hopes and optimism for the club just vanished.
If anyone really thinks this bloke could give two fucks about Aston Villa then I hope and pray that you are right and I am wrong but like so many misguided moves of the past, this has all the hallmarks of a gamble that just won't work.
I don't think he will have any idea of how tough this division is until he tries it and gets injured away at Cardiff on the 2nd Saturday. Imagine him playing away at Barnsley on a cold Tuesday night.
There's no guarantee he will bring success, any more than previous "winners" such as Schmeichel, Lescott and Richards did.
I'd rather we invested in a young centre-half who will get better, rather than one on the wain.
Baker and Chester are among the better partnerships in the division anyway, so someone who can provide cover and will improve over time is the way to go.
If we are spending stupid money on one player, a creative, pacey, midfielder is the obvious choice.
I thought we bought a few last year who as soon as they join us became shite?There's no guarantee he will bring success, any more than previous "winners" such as Schmeichel, Lescott and Richards did.
I'd rather we invested in a young centre-half who will get better, rather than one on the wain.
Baker and Chester are among the better partnerships in the division anyway, so someone who can provide cover and will improve over time is the way to go.
If we are spending stupid money on one player, a creative, pacey, midfielder is the obvious choice.
Bolded has been true for years, I am baffled why all recent our managers have not taken the midfield problem seriously.
We need to change our name to Southampton as we have a hell of a lot of saints for supporters. How many on here calling him all the name's under the sun can say with hand on heart they have never make a comment about the colour of somebodies skin colour or race whether in jest or not.
So £100,000 per week and £2m promotion bonus.
So £100,000 per week and £2m promotion bonus.
Being reported as £60k with £2 promotion bonus in most places.
Aston Villa has an esteemed history that is second to none. It does not need John Terry to sully it. Not for me thanks.Not so sure signing one player with a bad past can sully the reputation of our club. We've had some very dodgy characters in our past.We've had playets with bad reputations before.We've even had board members sent to jail for fraud. I'm no fan of JT the man but I think it's a no brainer for a club in our position to sign the player.
We need to change our name to Southampton as we have a hell of a lot of saints for supporters. How many on here calling him all the name's under the sun can say with hand on heart they have never make a comment about the colour of somebodies skin colour or race whether in jest or not.
How long have you worked for Kensington and Chelsea council?
True, only yesterday I called someone at work a "fucking black c*nt"
Come on. If we get promoted it's worth more than £2So £100,000 per week and £2m promotion bonus.
Being reported as £60k with £2 promotion bonus in most places.
If we get up it's worth it.
Quite happy about it. He's a winner and its a long time since we had one of those here. Think he will cope at this level if he stays fit - big question mark admittedly. All the racist crap, well he was found not guilty although you wouldn't know it reading this thread. Personally if players like Drogba thought he was racist i've no doubt he or them would have left chelsea at the time over the issue. Whether he can cope with some of the work shy fuckers at our club is another thing - probably be quite an eye opener for him.
Quite happy about it. He's a winner and its a long time since we had one of those here. Think he will cope at this level if he stays fit - big question mark admittedly. All the racist crap, well he was found not guilty although you wouldn't know it reading this thread. Personally if players like Drogba thought he was racist i've no doubt he or them would have left chelsea at the time over the issue. Whether he can cope with some of the work shy fuckers at our club is another thing - probably be quite an eye opener for him.
Remember what what Sherwood said when we'd signed Lescott and Richards, he said what we'd signed is winners. That worked out well didn't it
We need to change our name to Southampton as we have a hell of a lot of saints for supporters. How many on here calling him all the name's under the sun can say with hand on heart they have never make a comment about the colour of somebodies skin colour or race whether in jest or not.
We need to change our name to Southampton as we have a hell of a lot of saints for supporters. How many on here calling him all the name's under the sun can say with hand on heart they have never make a comment about the colour of somebodies skin colour or race whether in jest or not.
Its going to happen isn't it? It just feels like a marquee signing that will cause more trouble than good.
I'd expect even Bruce a top former defender himself knowing a bit more about the difference between Terry and those you've listed than the 'wingin it' Sherwood.
Wasn't he cleared ?We need to change our name to Southampton as we have a hell of a lot of saints for supporters. How many on here calling him all the name's under the sun can say with hand on heart they have never make a comment about the colour of somebodies skin colour or race whether in jest or not.
'People objecting to Ched Evans? We should change our name to Bill Oddie as we have a lot of Goodies on hear. Who here hand on heart can say they've never forced themselves on a woman without consent, whether in jest or not.'
Wasn't he cleared ?We need to change our name to Southampton as we have a hell of a lot of saints for supporters. How many on here calling him all the name's under the sun can say with hand on heart they have never make a comment about the colour of somebodies skin colour or race whether in jest or not.
'People objecting to Ched Evans? We should change our name to Bill Oddie as we have a lot of Goodies on hear. Who here hand on heart can say they've never forced themselves on a woman without consent, whether in jest or not.'
Is this another bad decision in the long list of previous bad decisions that have led to our Club heading in downward direction?
So £100,000 per week and £2m promotion bonus.
Being reported as £60k with £2 promotion bonus in most places.
If we get up it's worth it.
Wasn't he cleared ?We need to change our name to Southampton as we have a hell of a lot of saints for supporters. How many on here calling him all the name's under the sun can say with hand on heart they have never make a comment about the colour of somebodies skin colour or race whether in jest or not.
'People objecting to Ched Evans? We should change our name to Bill Oddie as we have a lot of Goodies on hear. Who here hand on heart can say they've never forced themselves on a woman without consent, whether in jest or not.'
Alright, whatever, replace him with Jimmy Saville or Tarquinius Superbus or whoever on earth you want. Point stands, no?
I can't stand him either, but I think he'd certainly improve our chances of a return to the cash cow aka The Premier League. If Bruce decides he wants Terry, there's sod-all I can do or say to change his mind.
Well no the point doesn't stand. You were trying to be clever by bringing sexual predators into it and referring to someone who you thought had been convicted of rape when on appeal they were cleared.Wasn't he cleared ?We need to change our name to Southampton as we have a hell of a lot of saints for supporters. How many on here calling him all the name's under the sun can say with hand on heart they have never make a comment about the colour of somebodies skin colour or race whether in jest or not.
'People objecting to Ched Evans? We should change our name to Bill Oddie as we have a lot of Goodies on hear. Who here hand on heart can say they've never forced themselves on a woman without consent, whether in jest or not.'
Alright, whatever, replace him with Jimmy Saville or Tarquinius Superbus or whoever on earth you want. Point stands, no?
Wasn't he cleared ?We need to change our name to Southampton as we have a hell of a lot of saints for supporters. How many on here calling him all the name's under the sun can say with hand on heart they have never make a comment about the colour of somebodies skin colour or race whether in jest or not.
'People objecting to Ched Evans? We should change our name to Bill Oddie as we have a lot of Goodies on hear. Who here hand on heart can say they've never forced themselves on a woman without consent, whether in jest or not.'
Alright, whatever, replace him with Jimmy Saville or Tarquinius Superbus or whoever on earth you want. Point stands, no?
Well no the point doesn't stand. You were trying to be clever by bringing sexual predators into it and referring to someone who you thought had been convicted of rape when on appeal they were cleared.Wasn't he cleared ?We need to change our name to Southampton as we have a hell of a lot of saints for supporters. How many on here calling him all the name's under the sun can say with hand on heart they have never make a comment about the colour of somebodies skin colour or race whether in jest or not.
'People objecting to Ched Evans? We should change our name to Bill Oddie as we have a lot of Goodies on hear. Who here hand on heart can say they've never forced themselves on a woman without consent, whether in jest or not.'
Alright, whatever, replace him with Jimmy Saville or Tarquinius Superbus or whoever on earth you want. Point stands, no?
I don't want us to sign Terry but that is purely down to football reasons, but my point was all the righteous on here are bringing up the race card, how many hands on heart can swear they have never made a stupid comment or even thought it.
Well no the point doesn't stand. You were trying to be clever by bringing sexual predators into it and referring to someone who you thought had been convicted of rape when on appeal they were cleared.Wasn't he cleared ?We need to change our name to Southampton as we have a hell of a lot of saints for supporters. How many on here calling him all the name's under the sun can say with hand on heart they have never make a comment about the colour of somebodies skin colour or race whether in jest or not.
'People objecting to Ched Evans? We should change our name to Bill Oddie as we have a lot of Goodies on hear. Who here hand on heart can say they've never forced themselves on a woman without consent, whether in jest or not.'
Alright, whatever, replace him with Jimmy Saville or Tarquinius Superbus or whoever on earth you want. Point stands, no?
I don't want us to sign Terry but that is purely down to football reasons, but my point was all the righteous on here are bringing up the race card, how many hands on heart can swear they have never made a stupid comment or even thought it.
Boom BoomIts going to happen isn't it? It just feels like a marquee signing that will cause more trouble than good.
Sign him up - I think Terry's All Gold.
Absolute No from me for all the reasons already stated.
The list is obviously pretty lengthy because, having read through them, we don't appear to have touched on leaving your flash motor in the Disabled Parking Bay.
Fucking Legend!
Why would you think that I would have appeared to make a racially abusive comment.Well no the point doesn't stand. You were trying to be clever by bringing sexual predators into it and referring to someone who you thought had been convicted of rape when on appeal they were cleared.Wasn't he cleared ?We need to change our name to Southampton as we have a hell of a lot of saints for supporters. How many on here calling him all the name's under the sun can say with hand on heart they have never make a comment about the colour of somebodies skin colour or race whether in jest or not.
'People objecting to Ched Evans? We should change our name to Bill Oddie as we have a lot of Goodies on hear. Who here hand on heart can say they've never forced themselves on a woman without consent, whether in jest or not.'
Alright, whatever, replace him with Jimmy Saville or Tarquinius Superbus or whoever on earth you want. Point stands, no?
I don't want us to sign Terry but that is purely down to football reasons, but my point was all the righteous on here are bringing up the race card, how many hands on heart can swear they have never made a stupid comment or even thought it.
You weren't talking about stupid comments though, you were talking about racist ones. If "not racist" means righteous, then I'm a total righteous bastard. I've made loads of stupid comments. Never any racially abusive ones. It would appear you have.
Why would you think that I would have appeared to make a racially abusive comment.Well no the point doesn't stand. You were trying to be clever by bringing sexual predators into it and referring to someone who you thought had been convicted of rape when on appeal they were cleared.Wasn't he cleared ?We need to change our name to Southampton as we have a hell of a lot of saints for supporters. How many on here calling him all the name's under the sun can say with hand on heart they have never make a comment about the colour of somebodies skin colour or race whether in jest or not.
'People objecting to Ched Evans? We should change our name to Bill Oddie as we have a lot of Goodies on hear. Who here hand on heart can say they've never forced themselves on a woman without consent, whether in jest or not.'
Alright, whatever, replace him with Jimmy Saville or Tarquinius Superbus or whoever on earth you want. Point stands, no?
I don't want us to sign Terry but that is purely down to football reasons, but my point was all the righteous on here are bringing up the race card, how many hands on heart can swear they have never made a stupid comment or even thought it.
You weren't talking about stupid comments though, you were talking about racist ones. If "not racist" means righteous, then I'm a total righteous bastard. I've made loads of stupid comments. Never any racially abusive ones. It would appear you have.
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Well, 'How many on here calling him all the name's under the sun can say with hand on heart they have never make a comment about the colour of somebodies skin colour or race' seems to be a clue.So you have never told an English man, Irish man and Scots man joke or as a kid held the corner of your eyes up and spoke in an Chinese accent ?
Well, 'How many on here calling him all the name's under the sun can say with hand on heart they have never make a comment about the colour of somebodies skin colour or race' seems to be a clue.So you have never told an English man, Irish man and Scots man joke or as a kid held the corner of your eyes up and spoke in an Chinese accent ?
Perhaps it was a slip of the tongue and he meant to call Anton Ferdinand "Black Magic".Its going to happen isn't it? It just feels like a marquee signing that will cause more trouble than good.
Sign him up - I think Terry's All Gold.
I can't stand him either, but I think he'd certainly improve our chances of a return to the cash cow aka The Premier League. If Bruce decides he wants Terry, there's sod-all I can do or say to change his mind.
I'm not sure that's true, there's plenty we can do. If watching that shit play for Villa would lessen your enjoyment, then tell the club. The majority of people on here don't want him, so we need to make our voices heard.
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Phone the ticket office and ask about their season ticket refund policy. Email any contact at the club that you can find an email address for. We don't have to stand by and let this happen. If the club make a mistake, it's our job to let them know. We're Aston Villa and we're far too good for John Terry. No matter what division we're in.
Different yes but they are still examples of racial undertones which most people have been guilty of. And you didn't answer the question of whether you have said any of these in the past.Well, 'How many on here calling him all the name's under the sun can say with hand on heart they have never make a comment about the colour of somebodies skin colour or race' seems to be a clue.So you have never told an English man, Irish man and Scots man joke or as a kid held the corner of your eyes up and spoke in an Chinese accent ?
Your first example isn't the same, your second example is weird, and you're missing the point - John Terry shouted racial abuse *at* a player. That's a bit different to a bad taste joke in private, don't you think?
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Different yes but they are still examples of racial undertones which most people have been guilty of. And you didn't answer the question of whether you have said any of these in the past.Well, 'How many on here calling him all the name's under the sun can say with hand on heart they have never make a comment about the colour of somebodies skin colour or race' seems to be a clue.So you have never told an English man, Irish man and Scots man joke or as a kid held the corner of your eyes up and spoke in an Chinese accent ?
Your first example isn't the same, your second example is weird, and you're missing the point - John Terry shouted racial abuse *at* a player. That's a bit different to a bad taste joke in private, don't you think?
No its not and I never have. Unlike Monty, have you the balls to any my question ?Different yes but they are still examples of racial undertones which most people have been guilty of. And you didn't answer the question of whether you have said any of these in the past.Well, 'How many on here calling him all the name's under the sun can say with hand on heart they have never make a comment about the colour of somebodies skin colour or race' seems to be a clue.So you have never told an English man, Irish man and Scots man joke or as a kid held the corner of your eyes up and spoke in an Chinese accent ?
Your first example isn't the same, your second example is weird, and you're missing the point - John Terry shouted racial abuse *at* a player. That's a bit different to a bad taste joke in private, don't you think?
Simple question, is it acceptable to call a black person a "fucking black c***"?
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You daft racist. Monty has answered it. Keep digging though.You answer the question then my friend
I'm wouldn't dream of defending Terry. He's an odious, racist piece of shit, but it strikes me you can't pick and choose: Ron Atkinson called Desailly worse in my opinion and yet there are still regular threads dedicated to him on here.
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Two odious c***s don't make a right.
And returning your season ticket, oh get a grip.
(https://m0.joe.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/19161225/LeIRmMM.png)So to clarify, calling someone a black c***s is bad, saying if you had AIDs you would wank into somebodys mouth in a burns ward is good.
See you in August.I thought it was "see you next Tuesday"?
You daft racist. Monty has answered it. Keep digging though.You answer the question then my friend
See you in August.
Show us the picture where they are saluting or running past "Darkie" our mascot.
Show us the picture where they are saluting or running past "Darkie" our mascot.
Jesus. You've gone full Small Heath. What the fuck?
In any case, you've got completely the wrong era.
Was Terry found guilty of the racist comments? I truly can't recall the result of the investigation as i was living in China and a lot of the detail passed me by. Did he get a ban or a fine? I do recall him losing the England captaincy and Capello throwing a wobbler
Yep damn your empty words. Do you follow us away? I reckon you'll moan more that the fuckers have put Sunderland away on a Tuesday night than England's Brave John Terry.
Was Terry found guilty of the racist comments? I truly can't recall the result of the investigation as i was living in China and a lot of the detail passed me by. Did he get a ban or a fine? I do recall him losing the England captaincy and Capello throwing a wobbler
He is a divisive character at a time when we need leaders.
I would file this decision in the same shit bucket that Tony's Tweets come from.
A fucking joke of a football club.
Not racist just narrow minded calling people you have never met daft racistsYou daft racist. Monty has answered it. Keep digging though.You answer the question then my friend
I'm not in the habit of abusing ethnic minorities, either in public or hurling racist abuse at the TV in the privacy of my own home. Or having imaginary arguments with them, for that matter. So maybe I'm the odd one in this situation, I accept that.
If I was a mad racist, I'd hope I still had just enough cop on to not demonstrate my ignorance to the world by dishing out racist insults during a live football match I was playing in, with a potential TV audience across the globe.
Was Terry found guilty of the racist comments? I truly can't recall the result of the investigation as i was living in China and a lot of the detail passed me by. Did he get a ban or a fine? I do recall him losing the England captaincy and Capello throwing a wobbler
He was found guilty by the FA and banned for four games.
Show us the picture where they are saluting or running past "Darkie" our mascot.
He is a divisive character at a time when we need leaders.
I would file this decision in the same shit bucket that Tony's Tweets come from.
A fucking joke of a football club.
Nose or Stripey?
Of course the quote isn't racially abusive, just morally abusive. What is it that i'm struggling with, calling out people who on one hand are outraged that we might be signing a perceived racist (even through he was found not guilty in a court of law) then have at some point in their lives have made comments or jokes against other races or colours.(https://m0.joe.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/19161225/LeIRmMM.png)So to clarify, calling someone a black c***s is bad, saying if you had AIDs you would wank into somebodys mouth in a burns ward is good.
It's not about being good, it's about being racially abusive, which this isn't. You're really struggling with this, aren't you? Something you want to tell us? You seem keen to hear tales of racism from others, why not share yours? Or don't you have the balls?
He's not wrong. We never fucking learn and this repeated process has destroyed us as a remotely competitive football club.He is a divisive character at a time when we need leaders.
I would file this decision in the same shit bucket that Tony's Tweets come from.
A fucking joke of a football club.
Nose or Stripey?
He's not wrong. We never fucking learn and this repeated process has destroyed us as a remotely competitive football club.He is a divisive character at a time when we need leaders.
I would file this decision in the same shit bucket that Tony's Tweets come from.
A fucking joke of a football club.
Nose or Stripey?
He's not wrong. We never fucking learn and this repeated process has destroyed us as a remotely competitive football club.He is a divisive character at a time when we need leaders.
I would file this decision in the same shit bucket that Tony's Tweets come from.
A fucking joke of a football club.
Nose or Stripey?
Terry hasn't signed yet.
Of course the quote isn't racially abusive, just morally abusive. What is it that i'm struggling with, calling out people who on one hand are outraged that we might be signing a perceived racist (even through he was found not guilty in a court of law) then have at some point in their lives have made comments or jokes against other races or colours.(https://m0.joe.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/19161225/LeIRmMM.png)So to clarify, calling someone a black c***s is bad, saying if you had AIDs you would wank into somebodys mouth in a burns ward is good.
It's not about being good, it's about being racially abusive, which this isn't. You're really struggling with this, aren't you? Something you want to tell us? You seem keen to hear tales of racism from others, why not share yours? Or don't you have the balls?
I'm afraid to say I haven't got any tales of racism to enthral you with. I've worked with many nationalities and colours down the pit, again many others at Rover and Land Rover and never had any issues.
Then you carry on being outraged Oh High and Mightly.Of course the quote isn't racially abusive, just morally abusive. What is it that i'm struggling with, calling out people who on one hand are outraged that we might be signing a perceived racist (even through he was found not guilty in a court of law) then have at some point in their lives have made comments or jokes against other races or colours.(https://m0.joe.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/19161225/LeIRmMM.png)So to clarify, calling someone a black c***s is bad, saying if you had AIDs you would wank into somebodys mouth in a burns ward is good.
It's not about being good, it's about being racially abusive, which this isn't. You're really struggling with this, aren't you? Something you want to tell us? You seem keen to hear tales of racism from others, why not share yours? Or don't you have the balls?
I'm afraid to say I haven't got any tales of racism to enthral you with. I've worked with many nationalities and colours down the pit, again many others at Rover and Land Rover and never had any issues.
Drivel.
It cannot be argued that what Terry said was abhorrent. Ferdinand should have chinned him. I think this argument is getting daft.
He's not wrong. We never fucking learn and this repeated process has destroyed us as a remotely competitive football club.He is a divisive character at a time when we need leaders.
I would file this decision in the same shit bucket that Tony's Tweets come from.
A fucking joke of a football club.
Nose or Stripey?
Terry hasn't signed yet.
He's been offered a contract, therefore it is clear that the behaviour of the club hasn't changed.
It cannot be argued that what Terry said was abhorrent. Ferdinand should have chinned him. I think this argument is getting daft.
Ferdinand is a twat as well.
Chinned him? Nice progressive way to move forward. Perfect example for kids too
Just had a look and he played 90 minutes 5 times last season in the league, once after September. Plus 90 mins twice in the FAC and once in the LC. That's why I don't buy into him automatically massively improving us, or being the best defender in the division etc, and certainly not now he's another year older. What's it based on, the Terry of x years ago? I'm assuming it isn't based on the Terry of last season?
Dave Mackey was 33 and had broken his leg twice at Spurs before he captained Brian Clough's Derby to promotion to the top flight.
Just had a look and he played 90 minutes 5 times last season in the league, once after September. Plus 90 mins twice in the FAC and once in the LC. That's why I don't buy into him automatically massively improving us, or being the best defender in the division etc, and certainly not now he's another year older. What's it based on, the Terry of x years ago? I'm assuming it isn't based on the Terry of last season?
It seems to be based on exactly the same logic that saw us buy Schmeichel, Richards and Lescott, except that they had been playing more regularly than him prior to signing for us.
Just had a look and he played 90 minutes 5 times last season in the league, once after September. Plus 90 mins twice in the FAC and once in the LC. That's why I don't buy into him automatically massively improving us, or being the best defender in the division etc, and certainly not now he's another year older. What's it based on, the Terry of x years ago? I'm assuming it isn't based on the Terry of last season?
It seems to be based on exactly the same logic that saw us buy Schmeichel, Richards and Lescott, except that they had been playing more regularly than him prior to signing for us.
I think that it being nearly 50 years ago is the most important bit.
I think that it being nearly 50 years ago is the most important bit.
I'm a great believer in the first couple of yards is in your head/ down to your footballing brain. I would never say Paul McGrath was the fastest defender I have ever seen but he was bloody good at snuffing out danger.
I already have minimal enthusiasm for this signing (as you might have guessed).
But if it's true that the sugarbag intends to wait for two weeks to see if he gets any offers from top flight clubs we really should nip this one in the bud now.
I already have minimal enthusiasm for this signing (as you might have guessed).
But if it's true that the sugarbag intends to wait for two weeks to see if he gets any offers from top flight clubs we really should nip this one in the bud now.
He's a free agent. Why shouldn't he wait to see all the offers?
Personally I think it is 'worth a punt' for a year. It is great how the likes of Lambert, Sherwood and Wilkins are so vocal and have so many opinions about our club. Maybe if any of them had had so many great ideas when they were at the club we would still be a top flight club.
On the subject of Paul McGrath, he was 'finished' at the age of 29 apparently. I think one or two Villa fans who watched him play home and away for several years after that may disagree with that slightly. Possibly a few Irish people would also disagree.
My son who has seen this coming from a long way off believes we are only a stalking horse.
Precisely, precisely, precisely !!My son who has seen this coming from a long way off believes we are only a stalking horse.
This.
John Terry, former Chelsea and England captain, will command a ridiculous wage in either the US or China, where they won't give a shit about the fact he's an absolute scumbag, from a family of scumbags.
Why on earth would he want to play in the 2nd division on a fraction of what he was paid last year and could get anywhere else?
With England Lionheart John Terry at the back, Downing on the wing and Tom Huddlestone in midfield we will be unstoppable.
Well, 'How many on here calling him all the name's under the sun can say with hand on heart they have never make a comment about the colour of somebodies skin colour or race' seems to be a clue.So you have never told an English man, Irish man and Scots man joke or as a kid held the corner of your eyes up and spoke in an Chinese accent ?
Your first example isn't the same, your second example is weird, and you're missing the point - John Terry shouted racial abuse *at* a player. That's a bit different to a bad taste joke in private, don't you think?
Well, 'How many on here calling him all the name's under the sun can say with hand on heart they have never make a comment about the colour of somebodies skin colour or race' seems to be a clue.So you have never told an English man, Irish man and Scots man joke or as a kid held the corner of your eyes up and spoke in an Chinese accent ?
Your first example isn't the same, your second example is weird, and you're missing the point - John Terry shouted racial abuse *at* a player. That's a bit different to a bad taste joke in private, don't you think?
Quite so, but what do you think of 'our racist' Big Ron?
I have no idea what that means. Do you have the same disregard and contempt for Atkinson as you do for Terry?
As it is...I don't think he'll sign for us. He'll be off the the States.
I have no idea what that means. Do you have the same disregard and contempt for Atkinson as you do for Terry?
Not quite, but fairly close to be honest. I know this might be a minority opinion and I know he's from a different era etc etc, but by Christ what he said was disgusting.
For the life of me, I can't get my head around why he'd want to come to us. The only thing I can think of is that he wants some of what
Lampard got for scoring his billionth goal, as opposed to what he himself was on the end of on the same day.
I'd never dream of not watching the Villa because of who's stuffing the shirt, but I'd not be above spending every ninety minutes displaying a countenance of uncomfortable disbelief.
Assuming that it is the manager's decision, Steve Bruce is p****** me off. First bringing back GA and now JT. Why not go for the hat-trick Steve and bring Richards back into the team.
I thought bringing back Agbonlahor for the Small Heath match turned out quite well, didn't you?
And what else did he do in the rest of the games he played. £3m for one goal that Harry Redknapp's wife could have scored (until he ran her over). Great example for young players at the club.
So I take it you didn't cheer that goal then, out of principle?
Assuming that it is the manager's decision, Steve Bruce is p****** me off. First bringing back GA and now JT. Why not go for the hat-trick Steve and bring Richards back into the team.
I thought bringing back Agbonlahor for the Small Heath match turned out quite well, didn't you?
And what else did he do in the rest of the games he played. £3m for one goal that Harry Redknapp's wife could have scored (until he ran her over). Great example for young players at the club.
So I take it you didn't cheer that goal then, out of principle?
Of course I cheered the goal, I'm a Villa supporter. That doesn't alter the point.
Could someone list relevant email addresses for those of us not on Twitter?
It means people say things they don't believe I would imagine.
Assuming that it is the manager's decision, Steve Bruce is p****** me off. First bringing back GA and now JT. Why not go for the hat-trick Steve and bring Richards back into the team.
I thought bringing back Agbonlahor for the Small Heath match turned out quite well, didn't you?
And what else did he do in the rest of the games he played. £3m for one goal that Harry Redknapp's wife could have scored (until he ran her over). Great example for young players at the club.
So I take it you didn't cheer that goal then, out of principle?
Of course I cheered the goal, I'm a Villa supporter. That doesn't alter the point.
But you criticised the manager for bringing back Gabby yet you cheered when he scored the winning goal. It just doesn't add up.
Assuming that it is the manager's decision, Steve Bruce is p****** me off. First bringing back GA and now JT. Why not go for the hat-trick Steve and bring Richards back into the team.
I thought bringing back Agbonlahor for the Small Heath match turned out quite well, didn't you?
And what else did he do in the rest of the games he played. £3m for one goal that Harry Redknapp's wife could have scored (until he ran her over). Great example for young players at the club.
So I take it you didn't cheer that goal then, out of principle?
Of course I cheered the goal, I'm a Villa supporter. That doesn't alter the point.
But you criticised the manager for bringing back Gabby yet you cheered when he scored the winning goal. It just doesn't add up.
Just like you didn't cheer Westwood's equaliser against West Brom. Or Lowton's thirty yard volley to put us in the lead against Stoke. Or Bacuna's equaliser against Man City.
I mean, you criticised the manager for using all those players, so couldn't possibly have been happy when they did something that benefited the team.
It just doesn't add up...
If you're going to notice the one performance where Gabby contributes something, you need to also notice the hundreds where he gives fuck all.
I agree with you on much, s_h, but I don't see how you can (rightly) criticise Lerner for being a not-giving-a-fuck arsehole but then defend the player who is the absolute poster boy of not-give-a-fuck-have-no-standards Aston Villa of the last few years.
If i had to sum up everything wrong with this club for the last five or six years in one picture, it'd be a photo of that fat c***.
So you have never told an English man, Irish man and Scots man joke or as a kid held the corner of your eyes up and spoke in an Chinese accent ?
If you're going to notice the one performance where Gabby contributes something, you need to also notice the hundreds where he gives fuck all.
I agree with you on much, s_h, but I don't see how you can (rightly) criticise Lerner for being a not-giving-a-fuck arsehole but then defend the player who is the absolute poster boy of not-give-a-fuck-have-no-standards Aston Villa of the last few years.
If i had to sum up everything wrong with this club for the last five or six years in one picture, it'd be a photo of that fat c***.
Probably because he's scored 80+ goals for us which has been conveniently ignored by a large chunk of the support over the last few years. I admit he's fucked around way too often but Bruce said everyone was to be given a clean sheet when he arrived and I think Gabby deserves another shot. I thought he did well last season when he played but that injury he picked up set him back a bit. I'm give him another go next season too. He looks as fit as a fiddle.
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So you have never told an English man, Irish man and Scots man joke or as a kid held the corner of your eyes up and spoke in an Chinese accent ?
I have. I didn't get the job.
If you're going to notice the one performance where Gabby contributes something, you need to also notice the hundreds where he gives fuck all.
I agree with you on much, s_h, but I don't see how you can (rightly) criticise Lerner for being a not-giving-a-fuck arsehole but then defend the player who is the absolute poster boy of not-give-a-fuck-have-no-standards Aston Villa of the last few years.
If i had to sum up everything wrong with this club for the last five or six years in one picture, it'd be a photo of that fat c***.
Probably because he's scored 80+ goals for us which has been conveniently ignored by a large chunk of the support over the last few years. I admit he's fucked around way too often but Bruce said everyone was to be given a clean sheet when he arrived and I think Gabby deserves another shot. I thought he did well last season when he played but that injury he picked up set him back a bit. I'm give him another go next season too. He looks as fit as a fiddle.
80 goals over hoe many years?
16/17 - 1 goal
15/16 - 1 goal
14/15 - 6 goals
13/14 - 4 goals
12 goals in 4 seasons.
Yet I've seen you write off players who have demonstrated far more contribution than that.
That tally is utterly pathetic.
Could someone list relevant email addresses for those of us not on Twitter?
I have found, from this site in 2014, that Lee Preece is the Supporter Liaison Officer and his e mail address is lee.preece@avfc.co.uk. I'm not sure if he's in the job still, but that could be a good place to start. The more emails that get sent, the more chance the club will listen to what they say. Hopefully...
If you're going to notice the one performance where Gabby contributes something, you need to also notice the hundreds where he gives fuck all.
I agree with you on much, s_h, but I don't see how you can (rightly) criticise Lerner for being a not-giving-a-fuck arsehole but then defend the player who is the absolute poster boy of not-give-a-fuck-have-no-standards Aston Villa of the last few years.
If i had to sum up everything wrong with this club for the last five or six years in one picture, it'd be a photo of that fat c***.
Probably because he's scored 80+ goals for us which has been conveniently ignored by a large chunk of the support over the last few years. I admit he's fucked around way too often but Bruce said everyone was to be given a clean sheet when he arrived and I think Gabby deserves another shot. I thought he did well last season when he played but that injury he picked up set him back a bit. I'm give him another go next season too. He looks as fit as a fiddle.
I don't get that either. When it comes to identifying racists I always find their tendency to make racist comments is a big clue.
I also take issue with something mentioned earlier today, namely a racist comment made "in jest". How does that work? Surely that's like stabbing someone in jest. "Yes Officer, I hacked his head off with a machete, but it was only in jest, I'm not a murderer."
I don't get that either. When it comes to identifying racists I always find their tendency to make racist comments is a big clue.
I also take issue with something mentioned earlier today, namely a racist comment made "in jest". How does that work? Surely that's like stabbing someone in jest. "Yes Officer, I hacked his head off with a machete, but it was only in jest, I'm not a murderer."
Not a murderer in the sense that murderers are murderers.
From Quora:
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John Terry's career definitely has no shortage of controversy. Below I give you his rap sheet. Enjoy.
John Terry Career Rap Sheet:
Foung guilty and fined by Chelsea back in 2001, in the time of 9/11 attacks. Terry and some team mates reportedly mocked American tourists outside the bar and threw food at them.
#1. Terry was banned from England National side in 2002 World Cup due to him proven guilty of assulting a night club bouncer. Apperently Terry punched him in the face nad hit him with a bottle and later claimed it was for self defence.
#2. Another incident him in the bar, he was seen urinating in the glass at a local Essex nightclub and left it on the floor. He claimed that because of injured toe he could not make it to the washroom.
#3. Parked his Bentley in a Disabled area, fined a mere £60 for the charge.
#4. Terry came under fire after him along with Scot Parker and Wayne Brige were reportedly betting on horses for over £40,000 a week and professional footballers are not allowed to.
#5. 2004 season in Premier League started badly for Terry, he was find £10,000 for inappropriate conduct. Allegedly he racialy abused Tottenham player Ledly King and misbahved with match referee Graham Poll.
#6. Terry Married Toni Pool his wife, but admitted he cheated on here more than 8 to 10 times and in the mean time a teenage girl Jenny Barker, revealed in the media that Terry cheated on Toni Pool with her in the car park.
#7. John Terry took a bribe from a reporter for over 10000 GBP and let him take footage around the Chelsea training ground. Chelsea found out and the fined him as he did the stuff without their permission.
#8. Terry Mother and Mother in law were caught shoplifting back in 2009 and that followed his father selling cocain to an undercover police officer.
#9. Than came the biggest scandal of them all, Terry had a four month fling with Wayne Brige (his team-mate at Chelsea at that point of time) Girlfriend and reportedly she was pregnant and abort the baby and with the Incident Terry lost England captaincy and was criticised so bad in the media over the next few months.
#10. In October 2011 he alleged to have racially abuse Anton Ferdinand (Rio Ferdinand brother) in the Premier League game. Later found guilty and banned for a few games as well as he was replaced as the captain in England team for the 2nd time in his career.
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EDIT:
Rubbish spelling, but it was a 'cut-and-paste' quote, so I couldn't in fairness edit the content.
I've made my feelings plain on him, but it's a bit harsh blaming him for #8.;D
In addition to the objections raised by most posters, I am concerned about SB's strategy in offering the contract.
A lot of us think the current squad is more than capable of getting us promoted, but Bruce started playing the card that the players bought in could not cope with the pressure. To me, that is an admission that he is unable to assemble a coaching team or the tactics necessary to do this.
It does not look good, in my view.
"People can say racist comments but it doesn't necessary mean you're racist?"
What the holy fuck does that mean????
Do you just mean that casual racism is acceptable?
Or racist banter?
I've made my feelings plain on him, but it's a bit harsh blaming him for #8.
I've made my feelings plain on him, but it's a bit harsh blaming him for #8.
And #4. Footballers can't bet on horse racing, since when?
Great example to human kind or not, John Terry is a multiple winner on the football pitch and if we're on some sort of moral crusade by rejecting somebody like him then you'd better get used to Barnsley away on a Tuesday night. And it will probably be raining.
In addition to the objections raised by most posters, I am concerned about SB's strategy in offering the contract.
A lot of us think the current squad is more than capable of getting us promoted, but Bruce started playing the card that the players bought in could not cope with the pressure. To me, that is an admission that he is unable to assemble a coaching team or the tactics necessary to do this.
It does not look good, in my view.
We need additional centre half cover so in that sense the squad is not good enough. One of Chester or Baker gets injured or suspended then we are in trouble. If a Terry like player was available but without the baggage then I doubt it would receive half the scrutiny this is. I can understand why people don't want him based on his character but from a purely footballing sense it makes a lot of sense.
In addition to the objections raised by most posters, I am concerned about SB's strategy in offering the contract.
A lot of us think the current squad is more than capable of getting us promoted, but Bruce started playing the card that the players bought in could not cope with the pressure. To me, that is an admission that he is unable to assemble a coaching team or the tactics necessary to do this.
It does not look good, in my view.
Great example to human kind or not, John Terry is a multiple winner on the football pitch and if we're on some sort of moral crusade by rejecting somebody like him then you'd better get used to Barnsley away on a Tuesday night. And it will probably be raining.
Peter Schmeichel, Micah Richards and Joleon Lescott were all "winners" before we signed them. If we signed a thirty-year-old John Terry, he would almost certainly still be a winner, but he's 37 and far from guaranteed to be so.
As for the second part of your post... that literally makes no sense. We won't get promoted unless we sign a racist? Is this something new rule? Who's Brighton's racist? Who's Bournemouth's racist?
In addition to the objections raised by most posters, I am concerned about SB's strategy in offering the contract.
A lot of us think the current squad is more than capable of getting us promoted, but Bruce started playing the card that the players bought in could not cope with the pressure. To me, that is an admission that he is unable to assemble a coaching team or the tactics necessary to do this.
It does not look good, in my view.
We need additional centre half cover so in that sense the squad is not good enough. One of Chester or Baker gets injured or suspended then we are in trouble. If a Terry like player was available but without the baggage then I doubt it would receive half the scrutiny this is. I can understand why people don't want him based on his character but from a purely footballing sense it makes a lot of sense.
I'm struggling to see how "from a purely footballing sense" it makes a lot of sense for a second tier club to employ a 37 year old on £60k a week... as cover?
He won't be cover, so I'm not sure what point you're making. He'll be breaking up the only position in which we looked vaguely competent last season and leaving us lacking funds to address the parts of the team that really need addressing.
In addition to the objections raised by most posters, I am concerned about SB's strategy in offering the contract.
A lot of us think the current squad is more than capable of getting us promoted, but Bruce started playing the card that the players bought in could not cope with the pressure. To me, that is an admission that he is unable to assemble a coaching team or the tactics necessary to do this.
It does not look good, in my view.
We need additional centre half cover so in that sense the squad is not good enough. One of Chester or Baker gets injured or suspended then we are in trouble. If a Terry like player was available but without the baggage then I doubt it would receive half the scrutiny this is. I can understand why people don't want him based on his character but from a purely footballing sense it makes a lot of sense.
I'm struggling to see how "from a purely footballing sense" it makes a lot of sense for a second tier club to employ a 37 year old on £60k a week... as cover?
He won't be cover, so I'm not sure what point you're making. He'll be breaking up the only position in which we looked vaguely competent last season and leaving us lacking funds to address the parts of the team that really need addressing.
We need another centre half, common sense tells us that Baker and Chester cannot play every game, injuries and suspensions will take there toll. So the argument that the squad is good enough does not stand up. If, as part of that deal we get one that is good enough to hold down a starting place then all the better.
It is understandable but I think your judgement of him as a player is clouded by your view of him as a man. He has never had pace but has made up for that with his strength, ability, leadership and positional sense. That is why there are a number of clubs interested in signing him.
On balance I would probably prefer that we didn't sign him but if we do then I am fairly confident that he would be good enough for the Championship.
In addition to the objections raised by most posters, I am concerned about SB's strategy in offering the contract.
A lot of us think the current squad is more than capable of getting us promoted, but Bruce started playing the card that the players bought in could not cope with the pressure. To me, that is an admission that he is unable to assemble a coaching team or the tactics necessary to do this.
It does not look good, in my view.
We need additional centre half cover so in that sense the squad is not good enough. One of Chester or Baker gets injured or suspended then we are in trouble. If a Terry like player was available but without the baggage then I doubt it would receive half the scrutiny this is. I can understand why people don't want him based on his character but from a purely footballing sense it makes a lot of sense.
I'm struggling to see how "from a purely footballing sense" it makes a lot of sense for a second tier club to employ a 37 year old on £60k a week... as cover?
He won't be cover, so I'm not sure what point you're making. He'll be breaking up the only position in which we looked vaguely competent last season and leaving us lacking funds to address the parts of the team that really need addressing.
We need another centre half, common sense tells us that Baker and Chester cannot play every game, injuries and suspensions will take there toll. So the argument that the squad is good enough does not stand up. If, as part of that deal we get one that is good enough to hold down a starting place then all the better.
It is understandable but I think your judgement of him as a player is clouded by your view of him as a man. He has never had pace but has made up for that with his strength, ability, leadership and positional sense. That is why there are a number of clubs interested in signing him.
On balance I would probably prefer that we didn't sign him but if we do then I am fairly confident that he would be good enough for the Championship.
He might be good enough, he might not. As he's hardly played in the last six months, it's difficult to tell.
Maybe he's better than McGrath, Baresi or Beckenbauer... who all retired or disappeared to the Disney Retirement "Soccer" League at his age.
But you're agreeing that Baker and Chester are okay and that we need to strengthen "the squad'. Buying a player to come straight into the first team at centre-half is not a priority. We can easily get a promising youngster or a solid pro as centre-half cover, save ourselves a fortune in the process and re-invest in areas where we need to strengthen the team, as opposed to just providing cover.
There is no sense in the Terry signing. It's a vanity signing based on reputation rather than the logical needs of the team/squad. Nothing more, nothing less.
So people who say racist things aren't really racist? So who is racist? Are we to sign people who groom children but aren't paedophiles also, just as long as they're 'winners'?So you have never said anything stupid in the heat of the moment which you obviously don't mean. An argument with a girlfriend/wife, telling off the kids when their naughty and saying I could kill you, it doesn't mean your a murderer.
Aside from the shitstorm this potential signing is causing, what does this tell us about Bruce's approach to the new season?
I think many, many fans were hoping Bruce would undergo some sort of epiphany this summer that would usher in a new way we approach the game.
Many said we need to change our style of play and become, fitter, stronger, with much more pace and movement.
We need to get away from the dinosaur approach of tippy tappy, sideways, backwards turgid football that had us finishing as a lower half, second division team last season.
Targeting players like Terry does not suggest to me that Bruce has gone 'all modern' and we will enjoy the sort of football we saw from many other teams last season.
Many other teams who were better than us.
Aside from the shitstorm this potential signing is causing, what does this tell us about Bruce's approach to the new season?
I think many, many fans were hoping Bruce would undergo some sort of epiphany this summer that would usher in a new way we approach the game.
Many said we need to change our style of play and become, fitter, stronger, with much more pace and movement.
We need to get away from the dinosaur approach of tippy tappy, sideways, backwards turgid football that had us finishing as a lower half, second division team last season.
Targeting players like Terry does not suggest to me that Bruce has gone 'all modern' and we will enjoy the sort of football we saw from many other teams last season.
Many other teams who were better than us.
When you consider the Chelsea sides he has play in and the managers he has played under I am not sure that argument holds up. A reliable defence allows the midfield more attacking freedom as they are not constantly having to worry about potential cock ups behind them.
I am really surprised to find myself sort of defending him as I have never had any time for the man but that does not stop me from recognising that he is (was?) a very good centre half.
I cannot stop shuddering at the prospects of us being called "John Terry's Aston Villa".
In retrospect I much preferred being Martin O'Neill's Aston Villa than that turd that wouldn't flush.
I've just suffered an nauseating flashback of 'Mr Chelski' being given that ego-tastic guard of honour at the end of last season. I'd imagine that any future contract drawn up for the tosser would feature a compulsory halt during every match - so folk could pay full homage to the self-styled Legend that Terry thinks he is. Endearing images abound...
Is it acceptable to call a fellow professional a "fucking black c***"?See that's the point of all my posts. I haven't defended Terry at all in any of my posts. I don't know him, never met him and don't know anything about him that I haven't read about in the papers so how can I or anybody else make a damning judgement about him.
If not; why do you keep defending him with this tiresome "yeah but I bet you've made fun of a foreigner" routine?
For me the link with jt says more about Bruce.
Signing jt who comes with the tag line "no coaching required" suits bruce.
I've never really felt Bruce has had full control/authority over the changing room, since his arrival, especially with gabby, richards and bacuna in the background. Bruce would be hoping that if he had jt, that might help to shift the balance of power in his favour. Personally I would sack off the idea of signing jt and instead use some of the money mentioned (as jt's wages) to pay off any 1 or preferably all 3 of the wastrels mentioned above. The atmosphere at the club would change for the better overnight and we'd still be left with a potentially talented squad for the championship.
Finally for automatic promotion we need to be in the mix after 10-12 games. If we're not its too late to change manager (as we found out last season with rdm). Bruce knows this and probably realises he'll be judged after 6 games, especially after last season's brain freeze in Jan/Feb and missed opportunity to manage the season out after Burton away. The idea of signing jt is a typical Bruce short term quick fix with very little thought given to medium/long term objectives. If it's Bruce's idea to sign a 37 year old, has been, mercenary footballer for huge wages, whilst keeping hold of the likes of gabby, richards and bacuna, then I'm fast losing any hope for the coming season.
I've just suffered an nauseating flashback of 'Mr Chelski' being given that ego-tastic guard of honour at the end of last season. I'd imagine that any future contract drawn up for the tosser would feature a compulsory halt during every match - so folk could pay full homage to the self-styled Legend that Terry thinks he is. Endearing images abound...
We'll need to make some sort of banner. Something like, Captain, Leader, Racist....
^^
Agree with most of that.
It's a concern with regard to Round and the scouting set up, which was meant to get an overhaul.
If you look at our (mostly dismal) business last summer, you could make the argument that the structures weren't yet in place to move outside the immediate comfortzone of players the managers knew (Clarke > Tishbola Di Matteo> Gollini et.c) and there was an element of throwing money at the problem.
12 months on, and after and extensive, exhaustive search of world football the two best players to push us on are... a semi retired John Terry and Glen Whelan.
We just don't learn.
^^
Agree with most of that.
It's a concern with regard to Round and the scouting set up, which was meant to get an overhaul.
If you look at our (mostly dismal) business last summer, you could make the argument that the structures weren't yet in place to move outside the immediate comfortzone of players the managers knew (Clarke > Tishbola Di Matteo> Gollini et.c) and there was an element of throwing money at the problem.
12 months on, and after and extensive, exhaustive search of world football the two best players to push us on are... a semi retired John Terry and Glen Whelan.
We just don't learn.
Well said KG. The idea we have a scouting network is pretty laughable and worrying at the same time. Not sure what Round is getting paid for as we lack any form of footballing identity.
I had hopes that the new regime of Wyness, Rounds and He who Walks on Water were going to put in place a different way of working than that been evident in the last 7 years. The potential signing of Terry and the baggage that he comes with appears to indicate no fresh thinking, which to me is really disappointing.This, and the observations that there does not seem to be much focus on coaching a new and innovative playing style; developing an Aston Villa approch to the game.
I haven't defended Terry at all in any of my posts...
My point was all the righteous on here are bringing up the race card, how many hands on heart can swear they have never made a stupid comment or even thought it.
How many on here calling him all the name's under the sun can say with hand on heart they have never make a comment about the colour of somebodies skin colour or race whether in jest or not.
So you have never told an English man, Irish man and Scots man joke or as a kid held the corner of your eyes up and spoke in an Chinese accent ?
So you have attached some of my previous quotes presumably to show how I have defended Terry when in fact there is no reference to him. He may be a racist, he may not, I do not know him to make that judgement.
I haven't defended Terry at all in any of my posts...
But:QuoteMy point was all the righteous on here are bringing up the race card, how many hands on heart can swear they have never made a stupid comment or even thought it.
I'm not racist, but:QuoteHow many on here calling him all the name's under the sun can say with hand on heart they have never make a comment about the colour of somebodies skin colour or race whether in jest or not.QuoteSo you have never told an English man, Irish man and Scots man joke or as a kid held the corner of your eyes up and spoke in an Chinese accent ?
Your commitment to JT's defence is admirable, but if you don't see there is a bit of a difference between most of the casual 1970s-style stereotyping you've offered there and calling someone a fxcking black cxnt on live TV (not in jest, either) then I can't help you.
The daft racist barb was a comedy reference from a little known BBC show called Alan Partridge, and was intended in that spirit. Apologies if that wasn't clear.
You are on a sticky wicket if you assume that every poster here has first hand experience of dishing out racial comments/making slitty eyed gestures/ putting dog muck through a Pakistani's letterbox or variations on a similar theme, though.
Surely Wyness being the ''football person'' we've apparently been crying out for over the years, is responsible for the management and oversight of all matters at the club. He strikes me as a chancer and here just for the money.^^
Agree with most of that.
It's a concern with regard to Round and the scouting set up, which was meant to get an overhaul.
If you look at our (mostly dismal) business last summer, you could make the argument that the structures weren't yet in place to move outside the immediate comfortzone of players the managers knew (Clarke > Tishbola Di Matteo> Gollini et.c) and there was an element of throwing money at the problem.
12 months on, and after and extensive, exhaustive search of world football the two best players to push us on are... a semi retired John Terry and Glen Whelan.
We just don't learn.
Well said KG. The idea we have a scouting network is pretty laughable and worrying at the same time. Not sure what Round is getting paid for as we lack any form of footballing identity.
I wonder if Bruce is looking to play Terry in a three at the back, a system that he will have been heavily involved in last season, even if not playing regularly?
I hate three at the back. Our defence was, mostly, fine, last year.
Why would we want to take a potential playmaker out of our woeful midfield to make room for an extra player in a position of strength?
I wonder if Bruce is looking to play Terry in a three at the back, a system that he will have been heavily involved in last season, even if not playing regularly?
Good point and there are a few indications that might happen, especially the rumoured interest in El Ahmadi, who is a wing back. Jedinak to drop back as well perhaps and it would give us the chance to play two up front, something that Bruce has said he wants to look at.
I hate three at the back. Our defence was, mostly, fine, last year.
Why would we want to take a potential playmaker out of our woeful midfield to make room for an extra player in a position of strength?
Oh I agree, but that are one or two pointers suggesting that is the way he might be thinking.
I'm with you though, a back four of De Laet, Chester, AN Other and Taylor is more than good enough for the division.
I've had a reply from Lee, who assures me the sentiment will be forwarded on accordingly. He seems like a good guy.Could someone list relevant email addresses for those of us not on Twitter?
I have found, from this site in 2014, that Lee Preece is the Supporter Liaison Officer and his e mail address is lee.preece@avfc.co.uk. I'm not sure if he's in the job still, but that could be a good place to start. The more emails that get sent, the more chance the club will listen to what they say. Hopefully...
Ta. Will send an email in the morning.
I hate three at the back. Our defence was, mostly, fine, last year.
Why would we want to take a potential playmaker out of our woeful midfield to make room for an extra player in a position of strength?
I hate three at the back. Our defence was, mostly, fine, last year.
Why would we want to take a potential playmaker out of our woeful midfield to make room for an extra player in a position of strength?
Oh I agree, but that are one or two pointers suggesting that is the way he might be thinking.
I'm with you though, a back four of De Laet, Chester, AN Other and Taylor is more than good enough for the division.
Replace AN Other with Baker and it's more than good enough. We need cover, sure. Spending 60k a week plus bonuses and signing fee on a position where our first team are fine is lunacy.
I wonder if Bruce is looking to play Terry in a three at the back, a system that he will have been heavily involved in last season, even if not playing regularly?
Good point and there are a few indications that might happen, especially the rumoured interest in El Ahmadi, who is a wing back. Jedinak to drop back as well perhaps and it would give us the chance to play two up front, something that Bruce has said he wants to look at.
I think the elmohamady links are more just that's he's signed him a couple of times before, I don't think there's much more to it.
I agree that he is probably looking at it though, which I think is a huge mistake.
I hate three at the back. Our defence was, mostly, fine, last year.
Why would we want to take a potential playmaker out of our woeful midfield to make room for an extra player in a position of strength?
Oh I agree, but that are one or two pointers suggesting that is the way he might be thinking.
I'm with you though, a back four of De Laet, Chester, AN Other and Taylor is more than good enough for the division.
Replace AN Other with Baker and it's more than good enough. We need cover, sure. Spending 60k a week plus bonuses and signing fee on a position where our first team are fine is lunacy.
I still think we need better than Baker (particularly better on the ball) for the first choice partner for Chester. I agree with Paul's point above that we could do with a CB who is going to be able to make the step up to the top flight if we do make it. I agree that there are enough options out there to not be spending that on a huge gamble like John Terry.
Sign somebody with actual PACE in midfield. Has to be number one priority.
Baker distributing for the back doesn't help.
I hate three at the back. Our defence was, mostly, fine, last year.
Why would we want to take a potential playmaker out of our woeful midfield to make room for an extra player in a position of strength?
Oh I agree, but that are one or two pointers suggesting that is the way he might be thinking.
I'm with you though, a back four of De Laet, Chester, AN Other and Taylor is more than good enough for the division.
Replace AN Other with Baker and it's more than good enough. We need cover, sure. Spending 60k a week plus bonuses and signing fee on a position where our first team are fine is lunacy.
I still think we need better than Baker (particularly better on the ball) for the first choice partner for Chester. I agree with Paul's point above that we could do with a CB who is going to be able to make the step up to the top flight if we do make it. I agree that there are enough options out there to not be spending that on a huge gamble like John Terry.
Baker is more than adequate... we had the third or fourth best defence last year. By all means upgrade if we go up, but we'd be a Premier League club with better options, then.
Bring in some cover, preferably a young talent for the future.
Sign somebody with actual PACE in midfield. Has to be number one priority.
I could see a back 3 of Chester Terry and DeLeat working quite well. The latter would give the pace, Terry can actually pass and Chester... well he's just good. Bree and Taylor wide either side and you can get Grealish into a midfield with license to roam. I would actually play Hourihane deeper with Jedinak as I think he can dictate play deeper.But you could make a back three from several exisitng players - Baker, Chester, Delaet, Bedeau, Toner, Hutton, Jedinak; admittedly, not all would be my choice, but you could defintely make a fist of it.
I was missing all yesterday evening but before I left I saw on here that Terry had signed for Spurs. Is that true or is it a spoof? I had a quick squint at one of the Irish papers this morning and there was no mention. I hope yesterday's sense of relief wasn't a little previous.
Fucking John Terry buying up A&E departments. When will enough be enough John?!
Wonder what the response on here would be if we bid £150,000,000 for Louis suarez and offered him 250k a week.
Wonder what the response on here would be if we bid £150,000,000 for Louis suarez and offered him 250k a week.
Class, its all gone quiet!!
Like i said, people have their own reason's for not wanting him here and that's fine. I still don't get the 'class, it's all gone quiet' comment. I have a feeling I know what you're aiming for though.
Actually it's not fact, it's your opinion. I'd imagine many would be delighted, i'd imagine many wouldn't be. I'd imagine most would wonder how the smeg we'd get round FFP paying that kind of money.
And if it helps, Atkinson was an absolute twat for what he said and I wouldn't want him near VP again either.
Wonder what the response on here would be if we bid £150,000,000 for Louis suarez and offered him 250k a week.
The only difference between my opinion on us signing Suarez and Terry is questioning the "he'd massively improve us" stuff as he obviously would. I still wouldn't want to sign him though. It's pretty irrelevant though as there's zero chance of us ever finding out.
The only difference between my opinion on us signing Suarez and Terry is questioning the "he'd massively improve us" stuff as he obviously would. I still wouldn't want to sign him though. It's pretty irrelevant though as there's zero chance of us ever finding out.
But surely if we are dealing with principles of what people have said or represent, ability past, present or future surely becomes irrelevant.
You stand in the moralistic 1% of people who without lying would stand by "no".
Fair play to you.
Well yes, which is why I wouldn't want Suarez despite how good a player he is. I can't speak for anyone else though.
As I mentioned earlier I wouldnt want Suarez at all. My ethical principles would be challenged by the fact that unlike all the others on my list Suarez is a good footballer. But I genuinely couldn't enjoy watching Villa play with him in the team so I wouldn't until he was gone.
Aston Villa players dont have to be angels or even nice people for me to support them, but there is a limit. Some players are simply too much of a scumbag to stomach.
As I mentioned earlier I wouldnt want Suarez at all. My ethical principles would be challenged by the fact that unlike all the others on my list Suarez is a good footballer. But I genuinely couldn't enjoy watching Villa play with him in the team so I wouldn't until he was gone.If, and its a massive If, Saurez was at the Villa, we would be in the Premier League and the Champions League, that would do for me.
Aston Villa players dont have to be angels or even nice people for me to support them, but there is a limit. Some players are simply too much of a scumbag to stomach.
It's just as well we have a solid amount of season ticket holders who have no choice but to attempt to be supportive, regardless of form, weather or bastards playing for us.
It's just as well we have a solid amount of season ticket holders who have no choice but to attempt to be supportive, regardless of form, weather or bastards playing for us.
Ah the better fan than yow argument.
And yet i'm only talking about me, everyone else can do what they want. It's kind of how it works, I do what's right for me, every other fan can do what's right for them. I haven't once criticised anyone or said they are wrong for being fine/ok/happy if Terry signs, just that it's not for me.
As I mentioned earlier I wouldnt want Suarez at all. My ethical principles would be challenged by the fact that unlike all the others on my list Suarez is a good footballer. But I genuinely couldn't enjoy watching Villa play with him in the team so I wouldn't until he was gone.
Aston Villa players dont have to be angels or even nice people for me to support them, but there is a limit. Some players are simply too much of a scumbag to stomach.
Jesus, you must stay in the house, watch no tv and work with the Red Cross.
If Suarez scored 25 goals and got us back in the premier (with the support from his villa team mates btw) I would name my next child Dracula.
Boycotting is a little too far for me but each to their own.
It's not like he's going to be with us for years and years, 2 years maximum, more likely just a year to get us up.
Did anyone boycott when Bannan got done for drink driving and still continued to play for us? Stan Collymore?
I already feel disconnected from the club for the monumental cock ups they've made on a yearly basis since 2010 so think I can withstand us signing yet another dodgy character who might actually help get us going and winning on the pitch and help to slowly get us back to where we should be.
Boycotting is a little too far for me but each to their own.
It's not like he's going to be with us for years and years, 2 years maximum, more likely just a year to get us up.
Did anyone boycott when Bannan got done for drink driving and still continued to play for us? Stan Collymore?
I already feel disconnected from the club for the monumental cock ups they've made on a yearly basis since 2010 so think I can withstand us signing yet another dodgy character who might actually help get us going and winning on the pitch and help to slowly get us back to where we should be.
I appreciate what you're saying and drink driving is a horrendous thing to do. I guess for me there are two things that make this situation different. One, very personal reason, is that I've recently had a child. I feel it's my responsibility to him to show him that racism is absolutely not okay. To bring him up supporting a team with John Terry in suggests that what I'm actually saying is "racism is bad but if you're good at football it'll all be alright in the end". If the drink driving thing happened now, I would probably see this differently.
Secondly, and much more morally dubious, is that Bannan committed his crime while he was playing for us. We were stuck with him until we could get rid of him. With Terry, we know what he's like and we're still actively trying to get him to play for us. That, to me, makes it much worse.
Boycotting is a little too far for me but each to their own.
It's not like he's going to be with us for years and years, 2 years maximum, more likely just a year to get us up.
Did anyone boycott when Bannan got done for drink driving and still continued to play for us? Stan Collymore?
I already feel disconnected from the club for the monumental cock ups they've made on a yearly basis since 2010 so think I can withstand us signing yet another dodgy character who might actually help get us going and winning on the pitch and help to slowly get us back to where we should be.
I appreciate what you're saying and drink driving is a horrendous thing to do. I guess for me there are two things that make this situation different. One, very personal reason, is that I've recently had a child. I feel it's my responsibility to him to show him that racism is absolutely not okay. To bring him up supporting a team with John Terry in suggests that what I'm actually saying is "racism is bad but if you're good at football it'll all be alright in the end". If the drink driving thing happened now, I would probably see this differently.
Secondly, and much more morally dubious, is that Bannan committed his crime while he was playing for us. We were stuck with him until we could get rid of him. With Terry, we know what he's like and we're still actively trying to get him to play for us. That, to me, makes it much worse.
Other than the Ferdinand incident I don't remember any other racist incidents involving Terry though.
How do you know he hasn't changed? Do you believe someone should be punished for their misdemeanours for ever?No. Just for the record, I don't want him punished. But I don't believe my club should make someone that has been guilty of that one of their highest paid players. Sorry if that wasn't clear.
How do you know he hasn't changed? Do you believe someone should be punished for their misdemeanours for ever?
How do you know he hasn't changed? Do you believe someone should be punished for their misdemeanours for ever?No. Just for the record, I don't want him punished. But I don't believe my club should make someone that has been guilty of that one of their highest paid players. Sorry if that wasn't clear.
How do you know he hasn't changed? Do you believe someone should be punished for their misdemeanours for ever?No. Just for the record, I don't want him punished. But I don't believe my club should make someone that has been guilty of that one of their highest paid players. Sorry if that wasn't clear.
Well he was found guilty by the FA but not guilty by a court of law which suggests the racist thing isn't as clear cut as people are making out.
If 2nd division Aston Villa signed one of the best forwards in the world, I think you'd be telling prokies if you weren't excited to see him score goals and also eat an apple through a tennis racket.
How do you know he hasn't changed? Do you believe someone should be punished for their misdemeanours for ever?No. Just for the record, I don't want him punished. But I don't believe my club should make someone that has been guilty of that one of their highest paid players. Sorry if that wasn't clear.
Well he was found guilty by the FA but not guilty by a court of law which suggests the racist thing isn't as clear cut as people are making out.
If 2nd division Aston Villa signed one of the best forwards in the world, I think you'd be telling prokies if you weren't excited to see him score goals and also eat an apple through a tennis racket.
I, for one, am shocked that right wing Tory-voting members of this forum have a laissez-faire attitude towards racism.
How do you know he hasn't changed? Do you believe someone should be punished for their misdemeanours for ever?No. Just for the record, I don't want him punished. But I don't believe my club should make someone that has been guilty of that one of their highest paid players. Sorry if that wasn't clear.
Well he was found guilty by the FA but not guilty by a court of law which suggests the racist thing isn't as clear cut as people are making out.
If 2nd division Aston Villa signed one of the best forwards in the world, I think you'd be telling prokies if you weren't excited to see him score goals and also eat an apple through a tennis racket.
I, for one, am shocked that right wing Tory-voting members of this forum have a laissez-faire attitude towards racism.
Oh come on he's hardly a rabble rouser like Tommy Robinson uploading racist rants onto YouTube now is he, he's a footballer who said an alledged racist insult in the heat of the moment in a PL football match. A bit of perspective eh?
How do you know he hasn't changed? Do you believe someone should be punished for their misdemeanours for ever?No. Just for the record, I don't want him punished. But I don't believe my club should make someone that has been guilty of that one of their highest paid players. Sorry if that wasn't clear.
Well he was found guilty by the FA but not guilty by a court of law which suggests the racist thing isn't as clear cut as people are making out.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/chelsea/9398132/John-Terry-found-not-guilty-of-racism-the-verdict-in-full.html
He maintained he said it because he was accused of it.... not the most convincing defence. I don't think he can be defended on it.
If 2nd division Aston Villa signed one of the best forwards in the world, I think you'd be telling prokies if you weren't excited to see him score goals and also eat an apple through a tennis racket.
I, for one, am shocked that right wing Tory-voting members of this forum have a laissez-faire attitude towards racism.
Oh come on he's hardly a rabble rouser like Tommy Robinson uploading racist rants onto YouTube now is he, he's a footballer who said an alledged racist insult in the heat of the moment in a PL football match. A bit of perspective eh?
Alleged?? I am not having that. He admitted to saying it.
I never associated him with that sort of nonsense and I never would. We disagree on politics but I don't consider him a Nazi, FFS.
Like I don't consider most of the Conservative Party to be Nazis.
It goes without saying, though, that they have a high tolerance for racism.
Good luck though to Pickaninnie Ads and his watermelon smile.
How do you know he hasn't changed? Do you believe someone should be punished for their misdemeanours for ever?No. Just for the record, I don't want him punished. But I don't believe my club should make someone that has been guilty of that one of their highest paid players. Sorry if that wasn't clear.
Well he was found guilty by the FA but not guilty by a court of law which suggests the racist thing isn't as clear cut as people are making out.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/chelsea/9398132/John-Terry-found-not-guilty-of-racism-the-verdict-in-full.html
He maintained he said it because he was accused of it.... not the most convincing defence. I don't think he can be defended on it.
Found not guilty though. Even if he did say it it's hardly the worst case of racism we've ever seen. Things are said in the heat of the moment that aren't meant. If he was as bad as many on here are making out then surely his black team mates have kicked up a fuss and refused to play with him, but nothing like that happened at all.
I'm amazed that we still have fans standing up for this shit.
Shame on you.
I'm amazed that we still have fans standing up for this shit.
Shame on you.
Bollocks to you. I'm not standing up for racists, but unlike you I don't write people off for the rest of their lives because of a racist comment. It's possible for people to redeem themselves you know.
I'm amazed that we still have fans standing up for this shit.
Shame on you.
Bollocks to you. I'm not standing up for racists, but unlike you I don't write people off for the rest of their lives because of a racist comment. It's possible for people to redeem themselves you know.
You are though SH. You are trying to claim its not that bad what was said, and even tried the "alleged" route to make it seem he may not have said it at all. He did. Bollocks to you mate. You are a long way on the wrong side of this.
I'm amazed that we still have fans standing up for this shit.
Shame on you.
Bollocks to you. I'm not standing up for racists, but unlike you I don't write people off for the rest of their lives because of a racist comment. It's possible for people to redeem themselves you know.
If people are fine with him coming, that's their choice. I'm obviously not fine with it but won't insult etc those with a different view. Maybe both sides could and should try and do that?
I'm amazed that we still have fans standing up for this shit.
Shame on you.
Bollocks to you. I'm not standing up for racists, but unlike you I don't write people off for the rest of their lives because of a racist comment. It's possible for people to redeem themselves you know.
Bollocks to you, you massive racist apologist.
Feel free to point me in the direction of all the times that Benito Terry tried to redeen hinseld by seeing the error of his ways and apologising.
You're pathetically blinded by your need to see him here and unwilling to consider the feelings of those of us that hate racism.
Your tolerance of racism reflects badly on you.
I'm amazed that we still have fans standing up for this shit.
Shame on you.
Bollocks to you. I'm not standing up for racists, but unlike you I don't write people off for the rest of their lives because of a racist comment. It's possible for people to redeem themselves you know.
Bollocks to you, you massive racist apologist.
Feel free to point me in the direction of all the times that Benito Terry tried to redeen hinseld by seeing the error of his ways and apologising.
You're pathetically blinded by your need to see him here and unwilling to consider the feelings of those of us that hate racism.
Your tolerance of racism reflects badly on you.
Jesus wept.
I'm amazed that we still have fans standing up for this shit.
Shame on you.
Bollocks to you. I'm not standing up for racists, but unlike you I don't write people off for the rest of their lives because of a racist comment. It's possible for people to redeem themselves you know.
You are though SH. You are trying to claim its not that bad what was said, and even tried the "alleged" route to make it seem he may not have said it at all. He did. Bollocks to you mate. You are a long way on the wrong side of this.
No im not, I'm saying that someone shouldn't be punished for the rest of their life because of one alledged racist comment which he was found not guilty of in a court.
I'm amazed that we still have fans standing up for this shit.
Shame on you.
Bollocks to you. I'm not standing up for racists, but unlike you I don't write people off for the rest of their lives because of a racist comment. It's possible for people to redeem themselves you know.
You are though SH. You are trying to claim its not that bad what was said, and even tried the "alleged" route to make it seem he may not have said it at all. He did. Bollocks to you mate. You are a long way on the wrong side of this.
No im not, I'm saying that someone shouldn't be punished for the rest of their life because of one alledged racist comment which he was found not guilty of in a court.
I'm amazed that we still have fans standing up for this shit.
Shame on you.
Bollocks to you. I'm not standing up for racists, but unlike you I don't write people off for the rest of their lives because of a racist comment. It's possible for people to redeem themselves you know.
You are though SH. You are trying to claim its not that bad what was said, and even tried the "alleged" route to make it seem he may not have said it at all. He did. Bollocks to you mate. You are a long way on the wrong side of this.
No im not, I'm saying that someone shouldn't be punished for the rest of their life because of one alledged racist comment which he was found not guilty of in a court.
He admitted he said it. Context is alleged.
You are finding reasons to diminish what was said. And are rightly being called out on it.
Well he denied he was racist, so if he denies he's racist then he's hardly gonna apologise for being racist is he?
It's not great, having to wade through a court ruling of that nature to decide if a prospective signing is quite bad or very bad, is it?
If this was a Leeds> Cantona scenario when they took a punt on a head-the-ball at the top of his game, that's one thing. But we're sifting through all this for a broken down, beaten up John Terry.
Well he denied he was racist, so if he denies he's racist then he's hardly gonna apologise for being racist is he?
Fucking Hell mate.
You seem to be a bit thick so I'll keep it simple for you.
When did he apologise for calling a fellow professional "a fucking black c***"?
Well he denied he was racist, so if he denies he's racist then he's hardly gonna apologise for being racist is he?
Fucking Hell mate.
You seem to be a bit thick so I'll keep it simple for you.
When did he apologise for calling a fellow professional "a fucking black c***"?
He denied it, because he's a racist. He's on camera saying "fucking black c***".
Bantz?
Well he denied he was racist, so if he denies he's racist then he's hardly gonna apologise for being racist is he?
Fucking Hell mate.
You seem to be a bit thick so I'll keep it simple for you.
When did he apologise for calling a fellow professional "a fucking black c***"?
We won't ask again, knock off the insults.
Well he denied he was racist, so if he denies he's racist then he's hardly gonna apologise for being racist is he?
Fucking Hell mate.
You seem to be a bit thick so I'll keep it simple for you.
When did he apologise for calling a fellow professional "a fucking black c***"?
We won't ask again, knock off the insults.
I'd rather you moderated the racists than those of us that oppose a racist.
But... I consider you a friend. And I don't want to put you in the awkward position of having to ban me so I'll carry this on another time.
He denied it, because he's a racist. He's on camera saying "fucking black c***".
Bantz?
Read the ruling through. He was not guilty due to a well constructed defence (not the first time clear guilt does not get prosecuted after a defence team work their magic), not because the judge considered him not guilty, and he called Terry's defence improbable. You are clutching at straws and I find your entire stance on this as pretty dire in all honesty. To essentially turn a blind eye to something because he would improve the team is not something I really want Villa to do to me. It is for them down the road. Not us.
On a football side, he play 400 minutes last season and engineered his own send off after 26 minutes in the final game, which bookies reported to having take a flurry of large bets on in the run up to the game.
Well he denied he was racist, so if he denies he's racist then he's hardly gonna apologise for being racist is he?
Fucking Hell mate.
You seem to be a bit thick so I'll keep it simple for you.
When did he apologise for calling a fellow professional "a fucking black c***"?
But as I said earlier he claimed he just repeated what Ferdinand thought Terry said to him. He denied it, so he's hardly gonna apologise is he? Crikey!
Well he denied he was racist, so if he denies he's racist then he's hardly gonna apologise for being racist is he?
Fucking Hell mate.
You seem to be a bit thick so I'll keep it simple for you.
When did he apologise for calling a fellow professional "a fucking black c***"?
But as I said earlier he claimed he just repeated what Ferdinand thought Terry said to him. He denied it, so he's hardly gonna apologise is he? Crikey!
Put yourself in the situation for a second, if you're accused of something and there's indisputable evidence showing you did it but with enough missing context to avoid a conviction, do you deny it outright or do you say "I'm sorry, it was a misunderstanding that got out of hand and I'd like it to be clear that... blah, blah, blah". The truth is a decent person with any sense of morality would do the latter, a pampered twat who thinks his ability to kick a ball makes him untouchable does the former.
I've said before my issue with him is that I think his legs have gone and it's a Pires level mistake to sign him but I think trying to defend what he said in the way 2-3 people have on this thread is bizarre, the guy is quite clearly a massive c**t, if you think he's good enough and willing to overlook him being a c**t then just say that, it's a position you can defend without it looking bad on you unlike some of the arguments on this thread.
This still just doesn't feel right on a number of levels. On the playing side, it is still a very expensive gamble on him still having enough left in the tank for at least one more season of Championship football. I still view it as a risk not worth taking.
I never associated him with that sort of nonsense and I never would. We disagree on politics but I don't consider him a Nazi, FFS.
Like I don't consider most of the Conservative Party to be Nazis.
It goes without saying, though, that they have a high tolerance for racism.
Good luck though to Pickaninnie Ads and his watermelon smile.
This still just doesn't feel right on a number of levels. On the playing side, it is still a very expensive gamble on him still having enough left in the tank for at least one more season of Championship football. I still view it as a risk not worth taking.
I just think he'd bring a winning mentality to the team.
I never associated him with that sort of nonsense and I never would. We disagree on politics but I don't consider him a Nazi, FFS.
Like I don't consider most of the Conservative Party to be Nazis.
It goes without saying, though, that they have a high tolerance for racism.
Good luck though to Pickaninnie Ads and his watermelon smile.
SHQ made the point about people who have done far worse; drink driving and violently abusing women. I know of two Villa players who've done that. Somebody else mentioned personal experience because they've had a child.
My family suffered at the hands of a drink driver with the most awful of outcomes. I still went berserk in Vienna when wee Barry scored. I'd go nuts if (indulging the hypothetical fantasy) Suarez came to score his 100s of goals.
I'm not tolerating racism nor am I tolerating drink driving or offences against the person or pegging or any of the brief glimpses of good and bad we get at these people. People change, maybe they stay the same. Either way, I don't know or suffer any of them and I'd hope if they were to transgress in their employment, for whatever reason then appropriate action would be taken.
I'm sure you were joking about the rest and if not oh well, people can think what they like.
I think John Terry is a dick, but sometimes dicks fuck assholes and if they didn't, they'd shit over all of us. Fuck yeah.
that may be true, I still found him guilty of being a massive ****** in my own personal court of law though.How do you know he hasn't changed? Do you believe someone should be punished for their misdemeanours for ever?No. Just for the record, I don't want him punished. But I don't believe my club should make someone that has been guilty of that one of their highest paid players. Sorry if that wasn't clear.
Well he was found guilty by the FA but not guilty by a court of law which suggests the racist thing isn't as clear cut as people are making out.
I never associated him with that sort of nonsense and I never would. We disagree on politics but I don't consider him a Nazi, FFS.
Like I don't consider most of the Conservative Party to be Nazis.
It goes without saying, though, that they have a high tolerance for racism.
Good luck though to Pickaninnie Ads and his watermelon smile.
SHQ made the point about people who have done far worse; drink driving and violently abusing women. I know of two Villa players who've done that. Somebody else mentioned personal experience because they've had a child.
My family suffered at the hands of a drink driver with the most awful of outcomes. I still went berserk in Vienna when wee Barry scored. I'd go nuts if (indulging the hypothetical fantasy) Suarez came to score his 100s of goals.
I'm not tolerating racism nor am I tolerating drink driving or offences against the person or pegging or any of the brief glimpses of good and bad we get at these people. People change, maybe they stay the same. Either way, I don't know or suffer any of them and I'd hope if they were to transgress in their employment, for whatever reason then appropriate action would be taken.
I'm sure you were joking about the rest and if not oh well, people can think what they like.
I think John Terry is a dick, but sometimes dicks fuck assholes and if they didn't, they'd shit over all of us. Fuck yeah.
I think there are two different questions involved in this type of situation though Ads. Look at the case of Luke McCormack at Plymouth - got drunk at a wedding, drove home in a fit of rage following an argument with his partner and forced another vehicle off the road killing two young children and causing life changing injuries to their father. Went to prison for it, but was young enough to resume a playing career on release.
In that situation, I think there are two questions:
A) should he have been able to resume his playing career?
B) would you want him playing for your team?
People would have different answers for those questions I guess. Some would answer no to both, some might answer yes to the first one and no to the second and some might answer yes to both.
I think John Terry is a dick, but sometimes dicks fuck assholes and if they didn't, they'd shit over all of us. Fuck yeah.
Have we learnt nothing from the Joyleon Lescott saga?
Have we learnt nothing from the Joyleon Lescott saga?
It would appear not
I dont think he will come then you wonder if we will end up with samba
Could end up with both. That would be a scary thought.
Stuff of nightmares.
It's just as well we have a solid amount of season ticket holders who have no choice but to attempt to be supportive, regardless of form, weather or bastards playing for us.
It's just as well we have a solid amount of season ticket holders who have no choice but to attempt to be supportive, regardless of form, weather or bastards playing for us.
Let's face it we've brought some arseholes we all still keep going. It's that or go up the asda with the Mrs
Even if he doesn't split the dressing room, he's already splitting the fan base.
It's just as well we have a solid amount of season ticket holders who have no choice but to attempt to be supportive, regardless of form, weather or bastards playing for us.
Let's face it we've brought some arseholes we all still keep going. It's that or go up the asda with the Mrs
Nobody is taking my missus up the asda on a Saturday afternoon, thank you very much.
It's just as well we have a solid amount of season ticket holders who have no choice but to attempt to be supportive, regardless of form, weather or bastards playing for us.
Let's face it we've brought some arseholes we all still keep going. It's that or go up the asda with the Mrs
Nobody is taking my missus up the asda on a Saturday afternoon, thank you very much.
That would be a cause for concern to be sure, but he takes her up the Aldi the situation is considerably worse.
I won't even mention taking her up the John Lewis, as this is a family friendly forum.
If the culprit takes her up the waitrose then retribution is required.
The comments do not reflect the votes that's for sure.
The comments do not reflect the votes that's for sure.
Really? I think over half saying they don't want him, less than a 3rd saying he'd be a good signing and the rest sitting on the fence is pretty much exactly how I'd read the comments.
50.5% is over half. That's just a fact. 50.000000000001% would be over half.The comments do not reflect the votes that's for sure.
Really? I think over half saying they don't want him, less than a 3rd saying he'd be a good signing and the rest sitting on the fence is pretty much exactly how I'd read the comments.
Are you really claiming 0.7% as "over"? Clutching much?
Just under half are not against him arriving is another way to spin it...but back to my point, the comments of anti JT joining us have been way more than 50% of the voters.
50.5% is over half. That's just a fact. 50.000000000001% would be over half.The comments do not reflect the votes that's for sure.
Really? I think over half saying they don't want him, less than a 3rd saying he'd be a good signing and the rest sitting on the fence is pretty much exactly how I'd read the comments.
Are you really claiming 0.7% as "over"? Clutching much?
Just under half are not against him arriving is another way to spin it...but back to my point, the comments of anti JT joining us have been way more than 50% of the voters.
It's just as well we have a solid amount of season ticket holders who have no choice but to attempt to be supportive, regardless of form, weather or bastards playing for us.
Let's face it we've brought some arseholes we all still keep going. It's that or go up the asda with the Mrs
Nobody is taking my missus up the asda on a Saturday afternoon, thank you very much.
That would be a cause for concern to be sure, but he takes her up the Aldi the situation is considerably worse.
I won't even mention taking her up the John Lewis, as this is a family friendly forum.
If the culprit takes her up the waitrose then retribution is required.
Do we still have Pound Stretchers?
50.5% is over half. That's just a fact. 50.000000000001% would be over half.The comments do not reflect the votes that's for sure.
Really? I think over half saying they don't want him, less than a 3rd saying he'd be a good signing and the rest sitting on the fence is pretty much exactly how I'd read the comments.
Are you really claiming 0.7% as "over"? Clutching much?
Just under half are not against him arriving is another way to spin it...but back to my point, the comments of anti JT joining us have been way more than 50% of the voters.
I think you have missed the point on this one.
50.5% is over half. That's just a fact. 50.000000000001% would be over half.The comments do not reflect the votes that's for sure.
Really? I think over half saying they don't want him, less than a 3rd saying he'd be a good signing and the rest sitting on the fence is pretty much exactly how I'd read the comments.
Are you really claiming 0.7% as "over"? Clutching much?
Just under half are not against him arriving is another way to spin it...but back to my point, the comments of anti JT joining us have been way more than 50% of the voters.
I think you have missed the point on this one.
Anyway, he's on the way so the poll and comments are now academic.Where, ?
I'm so unbothered by this.
That worries me about Villa these days. The degree to which I just shrug my shoulders about the stuff we do and don't get too worked up about it.
obviously, I appreciate this is one of those tedious OMG!!11!!! I just don't care anymore!!! posts.
Richard I think that is the new back of Rackhams🤔It's just as well we have a solid amount of season ticket holders who have no choice but to attempt to be supportive, regardless of form, weather or bastards playing for us.
Let's face it we've brought some arseholes we all still keep going. It's that or go up the asda with the Mrs
Nobody is taking my missus up the asda on a Saturday afternoon, thank you very much.
I'm so unbothered by this.
That worries me about Villa these days. The degree to which I just shrug my shoulders about the stuff we do and don't get too worked up about it.
obviously, I appreciate this is one of those tedious OMG!!11!!! I just don't care anymore!!! posts.
Anyway, he's on the way so the poll and comments are now academic.
Anyway, he's on the way so the poll and comments are now academic.Where, ?
I'm glad you've finally grasped the concept of "over half".
Ermmm... was it irony in the first seven posts you made whinging that 50.7% was over half?
Ermmm... was it irony in the first seven posts you made whinging that 50.7% was over half?
I realise that this is a side issue but the numbers are pretty much irrelevant aren't they, with it being such a small sample of the overall supporter base? I am not sure you can extrapolate anything either way to how that relates more widely.
Yet Xia looks like he has received the Bumper Book of Club Management from Lerner at Christmas and is following it to the letter.
Dwight Yorke recently said that the players need to 'stand up' and its fair comment. The dressing room looks to be in a state where there are no leaders and no serious commitment to dig in and grind out results.
Yet Xia looks like he has received the Bumper Book of Club Management from Lerner at Christmas and is following it to the letter.
Hugely unfair, IMO. Whatever you think about Xia and his methods, comparing them to those used by his predecessor are way, way wide of the mark. Whatever Xia is, Lerner Mark II is definitely not it.
Yet Xia looks like he has received the Bumper Book of Club Management from Lerner at Christmas and is following it to the letter.
Hugely unfair, IMO. Whatever you think about Xia and his methods, comparing them to those used by his predecessor are way, way wide of the mark. Whatever Xia is, Lerner Mark II is definitely not it.
He looks like he is on the Lerner fast-track to me.
Spunk a shedload of money up front? Check. Appoint an uninspiring dullard as a manager? Check. Do a complete volte face when the implications of FFP hit home and talk about sell to buy? Check. Start bringing in broken down 'name' footballers to appease some of the more gullible elements of the fanbase on fat contracts? Check.
This is a bloke who talked about making Aston Villa one of the top three football clubs in world football little over 12 months ago, let's not forget. I don't see how any of the above would move us into the top 50.
Still, nice twitter fonts.
Yet Xia looks like he has received the Bumper Book of Club Management from Lerner at Christmas and is following it to the letter.
Hugely unfair, IMO. Whatever you think about Xia and his methods, comparing them to those used by his predecessor are way, way wide of the mark. Whatever Xia is, Lerner Mark II is definitely not it.
He looks like he is on the Lerner fast-track to me.
Spunk a shedload of money up front? Check. Appoint an uninspiring dullard as a manager? Check. Do a complete volte face when the implications of FFP hit home and talk about sell to buy? Check. Start bringing in broken down 'name' footballers to appease some of the more gullible elements of the fanbase on fat contracts? Check.
This is a bloke who talked about making Aston Villa one of the top three football clubs in world football little over 12 months ago, let's not forget. I don't see how any of the above would move us into the top 50.
Still, nice twitter fonts.
Yet Xia looks like he has received the Bumper Book of Club Management from Lerner at Christmas and is following it to the letter.
Hugely unfair, IMO. Whatever you think about Xia and his methods, comparing them to those used by his predecessor are way, way wide of the mark. Whatever Xia is, Lerner Mark II is definitely not it.
He looks like he is on the Lerner fast-track to me.
Spunk a shedload of money up front? Check. Appoint an uninspiring dullard as a manager? Check. Do a complete volte face when the implications of FFP hit home and talk about sell to buy? Check. Start bringing in broken down 'name' footballers to appease some of the more gullible elements of the fanbase on fat contracts? Check.
This is a bloke who talked about making Aston Villa one of the top three football clubs in world football little over 12 months ago, let's not forget. I don't see how any of the above would move us into the top 50.
Still, nice twitter fonts.
Isn't he just following a logical approach to get promotion? Out-spend your rivals and appoint a Manager with a successful track-record of getting Promotion? We have to sell-to-buy now a) because of FFP and b) because out squad is far too big as it stands. That's in no way similar to Lerner pulling the plug on squad-funding when he decided he wanted to cut his losses.
Lerner's biggest faults as an Owner were being too loyal to failing managers and not communicating with the Supporters. AS I said, if you want to criticise Xia for any of the above crack-on, but comparing him to Lerner is just not fair.
Like a manager who was brought in to get promotion and finished bottom half?
Like a manager who was brought in to get promotion and finished bottom half?
And would you expect Bruce to last beyond Xmas if automatic promotion isn't looking likely at that stage?
Like a manager who was brought in to get promotion and finished bottom half?
And would you expect Bruce to last beyond Xmas if automatic promotion isn't looking likely at that stage?
Of course not, but that'll be a bit too late won't it, we had people making the excuse for him that 10 games in made promotion impossible, half a season in with form like we've shown under him so far as we're stuck down here for another year.
Like a manager who was brought in to get promotion and finished bottom half?
And would you expect Bruce to last beyond Xmas if automatic promotion isn't looking likely at that stage?
Of course not, but that'll be a bit too late won't it, we had people making the excuse for him that 10 games in made promotion impossible, half a season in with form like we've shown under him so far as we're stuck down here for another year.
So you're advocating sacking him now?
There must be more to this than meets the eye, I just really can't fathom it. It just doesn't seem to make sense no matter which angle you look at it.
Nope, 6 weeks ago but it wasn't going to happen. As I've said before my real worry is that new owner, in the championship and a first team full of players that the fans would've been happy to see fucked off was a perfect setup for us to change direction and put proper structures in place for the long term success of the club. The managers we've picked and the approach to the transfer market has been pulling in exactly the opposite direction and signings like Terry and Whelan are further evidence that no one at the club gives much of a fuck about doing the hard jobs.
There must be more to this than meets the eye, I just really can't fathom it. It just doesn't seem to make sense no matter which angle you look at it.
Perhaps Bruce thinks he has a lot to offer?
People romanticise about Graham Taylor signing David Platt last time we were in the 2nd tier, but he also signed Chris Price and Derek Mountfield...
Nothing Wyness has done convinces me that he is forward thinking.Nope, 6 weeks ago but it wasn't going to happen. As I've said before my real worry is that new owner, in the championship and a first team full of players that the fans would've been happy to see fucked off was a perfect setup for us to change direction and put proper structures in place for the long term success of the club. The managers we've picked and the approach to the transfer market has been pulling in exactly the opposite direction and signings like Terry and Whelan are further evidence that no one at the club gives much of a fuck about doing the hard jobs.
But what about Bree? Bedeau? We're trying to sign Johnstone permanently by all accounts too? The likes of Terry and Whelan would be short-term fixes and there has to be a balance. We need a quick fix as much as we need a complete restructure.
From what I've seen, Xia, Wyness, etc recognise this and are trying to do that. I don't disagree that Bruce isn't a forward-thinking, long-term appointment but Managers that would have been were nowhere to be seen (without taking more of a gamble than Bruce was widely regarded to be) at the time.
Xia strikes me as being almost the complete opposite of Lerner. It's hard to argue that Bruce has performed anything other than poorly so far, and he'll know that his job's already under pressure.
People romanticise about Graham Taylor signing David Platt last time we were in the 2nd tier, but he also signed Chris Price and Derek Mountfield...
People romanticise about Graham Taylor signing David Platt last time we were in the 2nd tier, but he also signed Chris Price and Derek Mountfield...
And Steve Sims - he was his first signing and I remember thinking wtf at the time!!
People romanticise about Graham Taylor signing David Platt last time we were in the 2nd tier, but he also signed Chris Price and Derek Mountfield...
And Steve Sims - he was his first signing and I remember thinking wtf at the time!!
Price and Mountfield were great for us.
I refuse to be drawn on the subject of Steve Sims.
You don't think Round is a forward thinking appointment?
Nope, 6 weeks ago but it wasn't going to happen. As I've said before my real worry is that new owner, in the championship and a first team full of players that the fans would've been happy to see fucked off was a perfect setup for us to change direction and put proper structures in place for the long term success of the club. The managers we've picked and the approach to the transfer market has been pulling in exactly the opposite direction and signings like Terry and Whelan are further evidence that no one at the club gives much of a fuck about doing the hard jobs.
But what about Bree? Bedeau? We're trying to sign Johnstone permanently by all accounts too? The likes of Terry and Whelan would be short-term fixes and there has to be a balance. We need a quick fix as much as we need a complete restructure.
From what I've seen, Xia, Wyness, etc recognise this and are trying to do that. I don't disagree that Bruce isn't a forward-thinking, long-term appointment but Managers that would have been were nowhere to be seen (without taking more of a gamble than Bruce was widely regarded to be) at the time.
Xia strikes me as being almost the complete opposite of Lerner. It's hard to argue that Bruce has performed anything other than poorly so far, and he'll know that his job's already under pressure.
People romanticise about Graham Taylor signing David Platt last time we were in the 2nd tier, but he also signed Chris Price and Derek Mountfield...
Love that last sentence Paul, fattism apart.
You don't think Round is a forward thinking appointment?
He talked a good game in that comms to fans last year. Not sure if much of it has borne fruit though.
I agree. Neither are performing. Blown a fortune on shite. No systems in place anywhere no team no scouting network. What else have they done?You don't think Round is a forward thinking appointment?
He talked a good game in that comms to fans last year. Not sure if much of it has borne fruit though.
I agree. Neither are performing. Blown a fortune on shite. No systems in place anywhere no team no scouting network. What else have they done?You don't think Round is a forward thinking appointment?
He talked a good game in that comms to fans last year. Not sure if much of it has borne fruit though.
Bring back Doug, top four finishes, league cup triumphs, European tours, full houses.
I agree. Neither are performing. Blown a fortune on shite. No systems in place anywhere no team no scouting network. What else have they done?You don't think Round is a forward thinking appointment?
He talked a good game in that comms to fans last year. Not sure if much of it has borne fruit though.
I agree. Neither are performing. Blown a fortune on shite. No systems in place anywhere no team no scouting network. What else have they done?You don't think Round is a forward thinking appointment?
He talked a good game in that comms to fans last year. Not sure if much of it has borne fruit though.
How do you know there is no scouting network?
If there is then fucking dreadful. Spent a fortune on utter crap that doesn't fit into the team. £80 odd million spent, bottom half, gambling the club's future. What has Wyness done?I agree. Neither are performing. Blown a fortune on shite. No systems in place anywhere no team no scouting network. What else have they done?You don't think Round is a forward thinking appointment?
He talked a good game in that comms to fans last year. Not sure if much of it has borne fruit though.
How do you know there is no scouting network?
I agree. Neither are performing. Blown a fortune on shite. No systems in place anywhere no team no scouting network. What else have they done?You don't think Round is a forward thinking appointment?
He talked a good game in that comms to fans last year. Not sure if much of it has borne fruit though.
How do you know there is no scouting network?If there is then fucking dreadful. Spent a fortune on utter crap that doesn't fit into the team. £80 odd million spent, bottom half, gambling the club's future. What has Wyness done?I agree. Neither are performing. Blown a fortune on shite. No systems in place anywhere no team no scouting network. What else have they done?You don't think Round is a forward thinking appointment?
He talked a good game in that comms to fans last year. Not sure if much of it has borne fruit though.
How do you know there is no scouting network?
Trying to put a club back together that was in a mess and a team that was shockingly awful on the pitch. It was never going to turn round overnight.
I'm stunned at the lack of patience and at how much misery some people wallow in.
It's difficult to criticise Round & the scouting network he has overseen because the January signings the jury is still out on (Johnstone was a good pick, Taylor improved team, Hogan was crocked & rushed back, Lansbury was ok nothing more, Bree was for future, Bedeau is very much for u23's & Hourihane has thus far looked overawed). The big transfer issue of the last year is that last summer we needed goal scorers and rather than look for a combination we spent 20m+ on 2 strikers based on the top scorer charts alone. We really should not have needed to buy Hogan & id like to think with a proper network we wouldn't make that mistake again.
When we signed Hogan I was convinced the summer plan was to get max £'s for Kodjia & try and shift McCormack for whatever we can get then get in a target man for Hogan to play off - still wouldn't shock me if it happened.
It's difficult to criticise Round & the scouting network he has overseen because the January signings the jury is still out on (Johnstone was a good pick, Taylor improved team, Hogan was crocked & rushed back, Lansbury was ok nothing more, Bree was for future, Bedeau is very much for u23's & Hourihane has thus far looked overawed). The big transfer issue of the last year is that last summer we needed goal scorers and rather than look for a combination we spent 20m+ on 2 strikers based on the top scorer charts alone. We really should not have needed to buy Hogan & id like to think with a proper network we wouldn't make that mistake again.
When we signed Hogan I was convinced the summer plan was to get max £'s for Kodjia & try and shift McCormack for whatever we can get then get in a target man for Hogan to play off - still wouldn't shock me if it happened.
From the (limited) amount of times I saw him at Brentford, what Hogan needs isn't a target man, but a midfield behind him who will pass the ball to him in the opposition's half (from the opposition's half).
I presume Round will be heavily tasked with appointing a new manager as and when.
Could probably judge his competency from that...highly rated european coach....or the man he was assistant to at Everton and Man. United....David Moyes. He's also worked with McClaren a lot.
Sorry for giving you guys nightmares tonight!
It's difficult to criticise Round & the scouting network he has overseen because the January signings the jury is still out on (Johnstone was a good pick, Taylor improved team, Hogan was crocked & rushed back, Lansbury was ok nothing more, Bree was for future, Bedeau is very much for u23's & Hourihane has thus far looked overawed). The big transfer issue of the last year is that last summer we needed goal scorers and rather than look for a combination we spent 20m+ on 2 strikers based on the top scorer charts alone. We really should not have needed to buy Hogan & id like to think with a proper network we wouldn't make that mistake again.
When we signed Hogan I was convinced the summer plan was to get max £'s for Kodjia & try and shift McCormack for whatever we can get then get in a target man for Hogan to play off - still wouldn't shock me if it happened.
From the (limited) amount of times I saw him at Brentford, what Hogan needs isn't a target man, but a midfield behind him who will pass the ball to him in the opposition's half (from the opposition's half).
He likes through balls being threaded past the last defender doesn't he?
It's difficult to criticise Round & the scouting network he has overseen because the January signings the jury is still out on (Johnstone was a good pick, Taylor improved team, Hogan was crocked & rushed back, Lansbury was ok nothing more, Bree was for future, Bedeau is very much for u23's & Hourihane has thus far looked overawed). The big transfer issue of the last year is that last summer we needed goal scorers and rather than look for a combination we spent 20m+ on 2 strikers based on the top scorer charts alone. We really should not have needed to buy Hogan & id like to think with a proper network we wouldn't make that mistake again.
When we signed Hogan I was convinced the summer plan was to get max £'s for Kodjia & try and shift McCormack for whatever we can get then get in a target man for Hogan to play off - still wouldn't shock me if it happened.
From the (limited) amount of times I saw him at Brentford, what Hogan needs isn't a target man, but a midfield behind him who will pass the ball to him in the opposition's half (from the opposition's half).
If McCormack could get his act together I wonder if he and Hogan could be a good combination. If not, maybe Grealish? About time he stopped being a pretender and lived up to his potential.
Round only came in 1st September and I don't think anybody can criticise the January purchases with a straight face.The January signings were good and players signed were performing very well in the division and have real potential however the way those players were used by Bruce is totally mystifying.
Trying to put a club back together that was in a mess and a team that was shockingly awful on the pitch. It was never going to turn round overnight.
I'm stunned at the lack of patience and at how much misery some people wallow in.
Surely the second line in your post is explained by the first?
It's awful, yes, and has been for years. I honestly am not even remotely surprised at the lack of patience people are showing. We've been utterly awful for six or seven years now.
I don't really see how anyone can be accused of impatience.
Don't get me wrong, I am not burning Bruce effigies or looking for a new manager or anything like that, I am just amazed anyone really blames anyone else for being short of patience.
We've just spent a fortune and finished in the bottom half of the Championship. When does it become OK to complain?
Round only came in 1st September and I don't think anybody can criticise the January purchases with a straight face.The January signings were good and players signed were performing very well in the division and have real potential however the way those players were used by Bruce is totally mystifying.
Trying to put a club back together that was in a mess and a team that was shockingly awful on the pitch. It was never going to turn round overnight.
I'm stunned at the lack of patience and at how much misery some people wallow in.
Surely the second line in your post is explained by the first?
It's awful, yes, and has been for years. I honestly am not even remotely surprised at the lack of patience people are showing. We've been utterly awful for six or seven years now.
I don't really see how anyone can be accused of impatience.
Don't get me wrong, I am not burning Bruce effigies or looking for a new manager or anything like that, I am just amazed anyone really blames anyone else for being short of patience.
We've just spent a fortune and finished in the bottom half of the Championship. When does it become OK to complain?
Look at the poll. Half don't want him and about 20% don't care. Only about 30% of supporters on here wanted us to actually sign Terry.
He'll get a chance, just like everyone else that signs for us, but I reckon come November he'll have either played about 3 games for us, or will be getting pelters.
It's been claimed that Bruce has been quoted as saying that Villa are the most talented team and Hull the least talented team he has ever coached. On the other hand, Hull had the best team ethic and Villa the worst.
Question is, if you add John Terry into that mix, are you going to make the team better or worse. I really don't see it my self.
The odd thing here is that I don't actually have any issues with Xia, I'm far from convinced about Wyness and Round though. Wyness had the same narrow field of view as Lerner, Fox and Faulkner when it came to finding a new manager and Round has done anything wrong but I've seen nothing to suggest any amazing change in our scouting process which leads to...
He's an arsehole, but he'd be our arsehole.
I want promotion. It might not sit well in your stomach but Terry will help us get there.
I really don't get the certainty some people have that Terry will be good for us, let alone that he will "get us promotion".
He might, he might not. He's hardly played in 2017 so there is no way of proving it.
What is beyond doubt, is that he is a scumbag.
I want promotion. It might not sit well in your stomach but Terry will help us get there. He'd be positive on and off the pitch and won't really care if fans don't like him initially. Footballers are generally pretty oblivious to that kind of thing anyway.
If he comes to us he'll have turned down better money elsewhere. He's an arrogant bastard so he won't want to end his career failing at anything so getting us up will only add to "brand" JT. That will be his motivation.
Couldn't care less what the mother Theresa's think of him, if he helps us get back up I will be grateful.
I want promotion. It might not sit well in your stomach but Terry will help us get there.
He might. He also might be a lumbering liability who costs us goals because his 37 year old legs can't catch up to Fulham or Brentford's latest 20 year old whippersnapper.
Can we get of our moral high horse just for a second, this is life, saying something in the heat of the moment doesn't make someone a racist, however stupid, basic education will teach you that.
Stop trying to score points with the mods for a second and try and be objective from a footballing perspective.
And my voting status has nothing to do with it.
I want promotion. It might not sit well in your stomach but Terry will help us get there.
He might. He also might be a lumbering liability who costs us goals because his 37 year old legs can't catch up to Fulham or Brentford's latest 20 year old whippersnapper.
To a degree isn't that the risk with anyone? We could buy a 20 year whippersnapper to keep up with the 20 year whippersnappers but there's no guarantee they would also then be good defenders. If we always lived by that rule Paul McGrath would never have become a legend in our colours.
Can we get of our moral high horse just for a second, this is life, saying something in the heat of the moment doesn't make someone a racist, however stupid, basic education will teach you that.
I want promotion. It might not sit well in your stomach but Terry will help us get there.
He might. He also might be a lumbering liability who costs us goals because his 37 year old legs can't catch up to Fulham or Brentford's latest 20 year old whippersnapper.
To a degree isn't that the risk with anyone? We could buy a 20 year whippersnapper to keep up with the 20 year whippersnappers but there's no guarantee they would also then be good defenders. If we always lived by that rule Paul McGrath would never have become a legend in our colours.
Can we get of our moral high horse just for a second, this is life, saying something in the heat of the moment doesn't make someone a racist, however stupid, basic education will teach you that.
Sorry but I'm struggling with this. Even if it's a "heat of the moment comment" to even consider using someone's race as an insult would suggest that you're in some way racist.
Can we get of our moral high horse just for a second, this is life, saying something in the heat of the moment doesn't make someone a racist, however stupid, basic education will teach you that.
Sorry but I'm struggling with this. Even if it's a "heat of the moment comment" to even consider using someone's race as an insult would suggest that you're in some way racist.
I want promotion. It might not sit well in your stomach but Terry will help us get there.
He might. He also might be a lumbering liability who costs us goals because his 37 year old legs can't catch up to Fulham or Brentford's latest 20 year old whippersnapper.
To a degree isn't that the risk with anyone? We could buy a 20 year whippersnapper to keep up with the 20 year whippersnappers but there's no guarantee they would also then be good defenders. If we always lived by that rule Paul McGrath would never have become a legend in our colours.
McGrath was 29 when we signed him. Terry is 37, the same age McGrath was when he retired.
Genuinely can't think of the last good 37 year old outfield player we signed? Even assuming Terry is better than most of his age group, when was the last good outfield signing we made of a player 35 or over?
I want promotion. It might not sit well in your stomach but Terry will help us get there.
He might. He also might be a lumbering liability who costs us goals because his 37 year old legs can't catch up to Fulham or Brentford's latest 20 year old whippersnapper.
To a degree isn't that the risk with anyone? We could buy a 20 year whippersnapper to keep up with the 20 year whippersnappers but there's no guarantee they would also then be good defenders. If we always lived by that rule Paul McGrath would never have become a legend in our colours.
McGrath was 29 when we signed him. Terry is 37, the same age McGrath was when he retired.
Genuinely can't think of the last good 37 year old outfield player we signed? Even assuming Terry is better than most of his age group, when was the last good outfield signing we made of a player 35 or over?
McGrath because of his significant knee issues and off the field problems was essentially tossed out by Man U. That he went on to become legendary was in large part down to how he was managed, and even then there were plenty of bumps along the way.
Look I don't for a second expect Terry to be close to anything McGrath was. And of course so much depends on fitness and motivation. But for one year, could he do it? For 5m in a sport for that money barely pays for average these days, I think it's worth the risk at Championship level. I wouldn't be at all for this if we were getting him as a PL club.
Or... we could just sign someone without age/injury worries for a fraction of the price, and concentrate on improving the areas where we were poor last year.
I want promotion. It might not sit well in your stomach but Terry will help us get there.
He might. He also might be a lumbering liability who costs us goals because his 37 year old legs can't catch up to Fulham or Brentford's latest 20 year old whippersnapper.
To a degree isn't that the risk with anyone? We could buy a 20 year whippersnapper to keep up with the 20 year whippersnappers but there's no guarantee they would also then be good defenders. If we always lived by that rule Paul McGrath would never have become a legend in our colours.
McGrath was 29 when we signed him. Terry is 37, the same age McGrath was when he retired.
Genuinely can't think of the last good 37 year old outfield player we signed? Even assuming Terry is better than most of his age group, when was the last good outfield signing we made of a player 35 or over?
McGrath because of his significant knee issues and off the field problems was essentially tossed out by Man U. That he went on to become legendary was in large part down to how he was managed, and even then there were plenty of bumps along the way.
Look I don't for a second expect Terry to be close to anything McGrath was. And of course so much depends on fitness and motivation. But for one year, could he do it? For 5m in a sport for that money barely pays for average these days, I think it's worth the risk at Championship level. I wouldn't be at all for this if we were getting him as a PL club.
That's a reasonable attitude. But it differs from the certainty of your earlier one, contained in the first quote of this quote war 😉.
I might consider it a risk worth taking without the baggage. With that, and his age, I just cannot be arsed with this deal.
We have scouts, go recruit the next, non-scummy, version of John Terry.
The next Shaun Teale would do perfectly well.
I want promotion. It might not sit well in your stomach but Terry will help us get there.
He might. He also might be a lumbering liability who costs us goals because his 37 year old legs can't catch up to Fulham or Brentford's latest 20 year old whippersnapper.
To a degree isn't that the risk with anyone? We could buy a 20 year whippersnapper to keep up with the 20 year whippersnappers but there's no guarantee they would also then be good defenders. If we always lived by that rule Paul McGrath would never have become a legend in our colours.
McGrath was 29 when we signed him. Terry is 37, the same age McGrath was when he retired.
Genuinely can't think of the last good 37 year old outfield player we signed? Even assuming Terry is better than most of his age group, when was the last good outfield signing we made of a player 35 or over?
McGrath because of his significant knee issues and off the field problems was essentially tossed out by Man U. That he went on to become legendary was in large part down to how he was managed, and even then there were plenty of bumps along the way.
Look I don't for a second expect Terry to be close to anything McGrath was. And of course so much depends on fitness and motivation. But for one year, could he do it? For 5m in a sport for that money barely pays for average these days, I think it's worth the risk at Championship level. I wouldn't be at all for this if we were getting him as a PL club.
That's a reasonable attitude. But it differs from the certainty of your earlier one, contained in the first quote of this quote war 😉.
I might consider it a risk worth taking without the baggage. With that, and his age, I just cannot be arsed with this deal.
We have scouts, go recruit the next, non-scummy, version of John Terry.
The next Shaun Teale would do perfectly well.
Now in my first quote of this string I said Terry would help us get promotion versus hurting us. I didn't offer a guarantee. But my overall position on this hasn't changed, if you look at my very first post on this subject. It won't just be about Terry it will be about the total package of our summer transfer window.
The truth is I'm tired of playing nice. I'll push my pride and values to the side for a season, get this cock in and pray he does what I hope he will do and provide the leadership to make a significant difference for us this season.
Or... we could just sign someone without age/injury worries for a fraction of the price, and concentrate on improving the areas where we were poor last year.
This is the bit for me. I don't actually see the problem this signing would be fixing. We conceded 48 goals last year - only four teams conceded fewer - so why the hell are we wasting our time looking at centre halves?
Chester's Premier League class. Baker's perfectly adequate for the Championship as long as the midfield take the ball off him before he gives it away. Elphick is adequate as a backup. Is the youth team that bad that we don't have some cover coming through there? What's happened to Toner?
SB should be focusing on how we score more goals. Not being quite so eye-wateringly negative in his set up and tactics would be a start but the scouts should be helping him by finding some strikers who might actually fit in to his style of play, or a backup for Jedinak (if the Whelan deal isn't going to come through) so that Lansbury and Hourihane can push forward and do the job we signed them for.
Or... we could just sign someone without age/injury worries for a fraction of the price, and concentrate on improving the areas where we were poor last year.
This is the bit for me. I don't actually see the problem this signing would be fixing. We conceded 48 goals last year - only four teams conceded fewer - so why the hell are we wasting our time looking at centre halves?
Chester's Premier League class. Baker's perfectly adequate for the Championship as long as the midfield take the ball off him before he gives it away. Elphick is adequate as a backup. Is the youth team that bad that we don't have some cover coming through there? What's happened to Toner?
SB should be focusing on how we score more goals. Not being quite so eye-wateringly negative in his set up and tactics would be a start but the scouts should be helping him by finding some strikers who might actually fit in to his style of play, or a backup for Jedinak (if the Whelan deal isn't going to come through) so that Lansbury and Hourihane can push forward and do the job we signed them for.
Anywhere with five A's in it would do. Aaabergaavenny or Aaloaaa would suit.Aadvaarkia
I don't think the Tory to whom you allude actually wanked in his Chelsea strip. I think you will find it was full coitus horribalis.
I don't think the Tory to whom you allude actually wanked in his Chelsea strip. I think you will find it was full coitus horribalis.Was it not spitis roastius ;)
If it was made up by Max Clifford it is a shame because it was the only interesting thing I thought David Mellor ever did.
It also appealed to my love of serendipity in great literature, Mellor almost being the name of the gardener who plaited wild flowers into Lady Chatterley's lower abdomen.
Lets hope Teresa May comes in with a late offer of £1b for him to join the Tories - they have a habit of having Chelsea Kit Wankers in the cabinet
If it was made up by Max Clifford it is a shame because it was the only interesting thing I thought David Mellor ever did.
It also appealed to my love of serendipity in great literature, Mellor almost being the name of the gardener who plaited wild flowers into Lady Chatterley's lower abdomen.
I'm still haunted by Mellor's "red hot soccer chat" tag line from 606 all those years ago. What were the BBC thinking!
If it was made up by Max Clifford it is a shame because it was the only interesting thing I thought David Mellor ever did.
It also appealed to my love of serendipity in great literature, Mellor almost being the name of the gardener who plaited wild flowers into Lady Chatterley's lower abdomen.
I'm still haunted by Mellor's "red hot soccer chat" tag line from 606 all those years ago. What were the BBC thinking!
"Hello footie nuts". They then compounded it further by employing DJ Spooney.
Couldn't care less what the mother Theresa's think of him, if he helps us get back up I will be grateful.
You have to be "Mother Theresa" to think calling someone a "fucking black c***" is unacceptable?
You seem to have a very high tolerance of racism.
I'm going to take a wild guess... Leave voter?
I voted to leave and I'm not in the bit racist, homophobic or anything else that you care to label a 'leave' voter!
I for one do not want Terry here either for the very reasons that you have pointed out throughout this thread but to make such flippant comments about how a person votes I find insulting.
I don't think all Leave voters are racist, as I said. I think the majority are. Based on the ones I've met, and based on the fact that they sided with massively racist c***s like UKIP and Britain First in a vote which was more based around the issue of race than any in this country since that infamous Smethwick by-election in the sixties.
Still, Yammer. If you say you're anti-Terry and anti-racist, I'm happy to apologise to you. Sorry.
I still bear a grudge against Leave voters in general, though.
I don't think all Leave voters are racist, as I said. I think the majority are. Based on the ones I've met, and based on the fact that they sided with massively racist c***s like UKIP and Britain First in a vote which was more based around the issue of race than any in this country since that infamous Smethwick by-election in the sixties.
Still, Yammer. If you say you're anti-Terry and anti-racist, I'm happy to apologise to you. Sorry.
I still bear a grudge against Leave voters in general, though.
I don't think all Leave voters are racist, as I said. I think the majority are. Based on the ones I've met, and based on the fact that they sided with massively racist c***s like UKIP and Britain First in a vote which was more based around the issue of race than any in this country since that infamous Smethwick by-election in the sixties.
Still, Yammer. If you say you're anti-Terry and anti-racist, I'm happy to apologise to you. Sorry.
I still bear a grudge against Leave voters in general, though.
Any credibility you had, now gone.
What an incredible statement.
I have black and Asian friends, and in laws whom I love dearly, I voted out...and I have no ill feelings towards JT...which social bracket does that place me in?
Boon? What's it got to do with the Inspiral Carpets?
I don't think all Leave voters are racist, as I said. I think the majority are. Based on the ones I've met, and based on the fact that they sided with massively racist c***s like UKIP and Britain First in a vote which was more based around the issue of race than any in this country since that infamous Smethwick by-election in the sixties.
Still, Yammer. If you say you're anti-Terry and anti-racist, I'm happy to apologise to you. Sorry.
I still bear a grudge against Leave voters in general, though.
Any credibility you had, now gone.
What an incredible statement.
I have black and Asian friends, and in laws whom I love dearly, I voted out...and I have no ill feelings towards JT...which social bracket does that place me in?
I've tried debating with you. You ask stupid questions, then disappear when called up on your bullshit.
I've tried debating with you. You ask stupid questions, then disappear when called up on your bullshit.
You simply cannot make a comment without using expletives, this suggests some real issues that I would seek help on my friend.
The Daily Mirror claim Villa have outdone rivals Birmingham by giving Terry a £5m, one-year deal which also includes huge bonuses.
Harry Redknapp has accepted defeat in trying to sign the 36-year-old with Steve Bruce set to complete a massive transfer for the club.
Despite interest from West Brom, Swansea and Bournemouth, Terry wants the challenge of playing in the Championship and trying to earn promotion to the Premier League.
He is also reluctant to play against Chelsea next season.
QuoteThe Daily Mirror claim Villa have outdone rivals Birmingham by giving Terry a £5m, one-year deal which also includes huge bonuses.
Harry Redknapp has accepted defeat in trying to sign the 36-year-old with Steve Bruce set to complete a massive transfer for the club.
Despite interest from West Brom, Swansea and Bournemouth, Terry wants the challenge of playing in the Championship and trying to earn promotion to the Premier League.
He is also reluctant to play against Chelsea next season.
I've tried debating with you. You ask stupid questions, then disappear when called up on your bullshit.
You simply cannot make a comment without using expletives, this suggests some real issues that I would seek help on my friend.
I assume the new kit comes with a hood?
More than half aren't against JT coming now, interesting how this poll, granted on a small section of our entire Fan base has swung the other way.
I genuinely think JT can bring something to the tableThat is an expensive waiter!
QuoteThe Daily Mirror claim....
He is also reluctant to play against Chelsea next season.
I genuinely think JT can bring something to the tableThat is an expensive waiter!
Birmingham City fan Harry Beevis has promised to get Harry Redknapp’s face tattooed on his arse if the club sign John Terry.
http://www.talkingbaws.com/2017/06/birmingham-city-fan-promises-get-harry-redknapps-face-tattoo-arse-sign-john-terry/
Birmingham City fan Harry Beevis has promised to get Harry Redknapp’s face tattooed on his arse if the club sign John Terry.
http://www.talkingbaws.com/2017/06/birmingham-city-fan-promises-get-harry-redknapps-face-tattoo-arse-sign-john-terry/
I genuinely think JT can bring something to the tableThat is an expensive waiter!
Indeed sir, however, if I want a sublime aged steak I'm going to Simpsons of Edgbaston, not The Figure of Eight steak club of Broad St...free drink or no free drink.
I genuinely think JT can bring something to the tableThat is an expensive waiter!
Indeed sir, however, if I want a sublime aged steak I'm going to Simpsons of Edgbaston, not The Figure of Eight steak club of Broad St...free drink or no free drink.
Fiesta Del Asado, the Argentinian restaurant on the Hagley Road is my favourite. If I remember right our very own PWS recommended it to me.
There's no medical booked apparently so it would seem unlikely he'll sign at the weekend.
Own up , who's eaten the bife de costilla on their own?
I genuinely think JT can bring something to the tableThat is an expensive waiter!
Indeed sir, however, if I want a sublime aged steak I'm going to Simpsons of Edgbaston, not The Figure of Eight steak club of Broad St...free drink or no free drink.
Fiesta Del Asado, the Argentinian restaurant on the Hagley Road is my favourite. If I remember right our very own PWS recommended it to me.
Fiesta Del Asado is part of the Lasan group and all of their restaurants are great.
Raja Monkey in Hall Green is probably my favourite, the Veggie Dosa they do is superb.
I've tried debating with you. You ask stupid questions, then disappear when called up on your bullshit.
There's no medical booked apparently so it would seem unlikely he'll sign at the weekend.
Fiesta Del Asado is part of the Lasan group and all of their restaurants are great.
Raja Monkey in Hall Green is probably my favourite, the Veggie Dosa they do is superb.
Fiesta Del Asado is part of the Lasan group and all of their restaurants are great.
Raja Monkey in Hall Green is probably my favourite, the Veggie Dosa they do is superb.
Whereabouts in Hall Green is it? Judging by The Evening Mails top ten fish and chip shops Hall Green is the chippy capital of Birmingham.
I assume the new kit comes with a hood?Or a snood?
There's no medical booked apparently so it would seem unlikely he'll sign at the weekend.I am sure he insisted on no medical after all he is a legend.
Or... we could just sign someone without age/injury worries for a fraction of the price, and concentrate on improving the areas where we were poor last year.Oh you mean build a proper team? What's wrong with you?
He's always busy this time of year, getting ready to go and collect the Wimbledon trophy.
There's no medical booked apparently so it would seem unlikely he'll sign at the weekend.
I don't know, I got a little nibble through earlier this was pretty much done.
This is crazy talk!Or... we could just sign someone without age/injury worries for a fraction of the price, and concentrate on improving the areas where we were poor last year.Oh you mean build a proper team? What's wrong with you?
This is crazy talk!Or... we could just sign someone without age/injury worries for a fraction of the price, and concentrate on improving the areas where we were poor last year.Oh you mean build a proper team? What's wrong with you?
Where would it end?
Like Elphick, that turned out well didn't it.
The sooner JT signs the better.
On his Instagram account shown working out at Chelsea, Terry shows greater speed than Baker, greater control and distribution than Elphick.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BVmJlWvjke0/
On his Instagram account shown working out at Chelsea, Terry shows greater speed than Baker, greater control and distribution than Elphick.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BVmJlWvjke0/
Shouldn't the fact he's in, working at Chelsea pretty much alone to maintain his fitness and sharpness tell us all we need to know - from a football side - about his desire and commitment to still being able to cut it next season?
On his Instagram account shown working out at Chelsea, Terry shows greater speed than Baker, greater control and distribution than Elphick.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BVmJlWvjke0/
£5 million (wages and bonuses) is such an absurd amount to potentially be a significant signing in staying in this turgid league or going back up to the Premiership.
I would sooner us pay £5m to never see Baker in a Villa shirt again, oaf who couldn't pass wind.
Get him signed.
Absolutely nothing, don't want him anywhere near us for footballing reasons, not social contradictions.
The prospect of Elphick and Baker anywhere near that squad is just too scary, Inwould rather have Bacuna at centre half than those two clowns.
Just get him signed so we can all move on.
The prospect of Elphick and Baker anywhere near that squad is just too scary, Inwould rather have Bacuna at centre half than those two clowns.
Just get him signed so we can all move on.
I hear that one of his demands is that the team give him a guard of honour each time he's substituted, and on his debut he gets to run round the ground holding our European Cup aloft.
There's no medical booked apparently so it would seem unlikely he'll sign at the weekend.
I don't know, I got a little nibble through earlier this was pretty much done.
Medical could be Monday now.
I hear that one of his demands is that the team give him a guard of honour each time he's substituted, and on his debut he gets to run round the ground holding our European Cup aloft.In his Chelsea kit.
Read on BBC Football Gossip that Terry could be our next manager to take over from Bruce. Not sure if he's done any badges. Suppose this is a step towards managing Chelsea.
Read on BBC Football Gossip that Terry could be our next manager to take over from Bruce. Not sure if he's done any badges. Suppose this is a step towards managing Chelsea.
It doesn't work like that though does it? I remember everyone presuming one day Bryan Robson would manage United.
The management rumour strikes me as bullshit. Suppose we had another bad start and Bruce is under severe pressure to go as early as October/November. Surely theres no way Terry could take over and do the job that soon even if his contract he was supposed to be the immediate successor?
The management rumour strikes me as bullshit. Suppose we had another bad start and Bruce is under severe pressure to go as early as October/November. Surely theres no way Terry could take over and do the job that soon even if his contract he was supposed to be the immediate successor?
The rumour may well be bullshit. But it's not a stretch to see John Terry looking at Steve Bruce and thinking he is on a sticky wicket with a bad start. Roy Keane might have had similar ideas when he agreed to be Lamberk's no 2.
He only has to go back 12 months and see how patient Xia was with his mate Bobby di Matteo for reference.
£5 million (wages and bonuses) is such an absurd amount to potentially be a significant signing in staying in this turgid league or going back up to the Premiership.Your village must be missing you....
I would sooner us pay £5m to never see Baker in a Villa shirt again, oaf who couldn't pass wind.
Get him signed.
A John Terry thread, that has ended up with arguments about Brexit. I'm not even surprised.
£5 million (wages and bonuses) is such an absurd amount to potentially be a significant signing in staying in this turgid league or going back up to the Premiership.Your village must be missing you....
I would sooner us pay £5m to never see Baker in a Villa shirt again, oaf who couldn't pass wind.
Get him signed.
£5 million (wages and bonuses) is such an absurd amount to potentially be a significant signing in staying in this turgid league or going back up to the Premiership.Your village must be missing you....
I would sooner us pay £5m to never see Baker in a Villa shirt again, oaf who couldn't pass wind.
Get him signed.
Irony defined from Castle Brom.
Enjoy.
A John Terry thread, that has ended up with arguments about Brexit. I'm not even surprised.
Serious question?
What on earth are you talking about.
Are you drunk? What imaginary trophy?
£5 million (wages and bonuses) is such an absurd amount to potentially be a significant signing in staying in this turgid league or going back up to the Premiership.Your village must be missing you....
I would sooner us pay £5m to never see Baker in a Villa shirt again, oaf who couldn't pass wind.
Get him signed.
£5 million (wages and bonuses) is such an absurd amount to potentially be a significant signing in staying in this turgid league or going back up to the Premiership.Your village must be missing you....
I would sooner us pay £5m to never see Baker in a Villa shirt again, oaf who couldn't pass wind.
Get him signed.
That's a bit uncalled for.
@avfctransfers1 has just tweeted that a medical has been booked. Normally rated as quite reliable.
Not a signing I want to see.
£5 million (wages and bonuses) is such an absurd amount to potentially be a significant signing in staying in this turgid league or going back up to the Premiership.Your village must be missing you....
I would sooner us pay £5m to never see Baker in a Villa shirt again, oaf who couldn't pass wind.
Get him signed.
That's a bit uncalled for.
I'm completely lost here, as I tried to say earlier. What's all this village talk? Aftab, are you being naughty, mate?
£5 million (wages and bonuses) is such an absurd amount to potentially be a significant signing in staying in this turgid league or going back up to the Premiership.Your village must be missing you....
I would sooner us pay £5m to never see Baker in a Villa shirt again, oaf who couldn't pass wind.
Get him signed.
That's a bit uncalled for.
I'm completely lost here, as I tried to say earlier. What's all this village talk? Aftab, are you being naughty, mate?
He was calling him an idiot.
On topic, I'm resigned to this happening now but I'm very worried that it will backfire because I honestly don't think he'll be able to play enough games to be worth the cost.
That said, on the positive side at least it's a good bit of dick swinging. We're the biggest club in this league by a long way and that should involve us convincing players who are too good for this division to give us a season and help us get out of it, that's why I didn't like the strategy of signing decent players from this level. Someone like Chester who had played a fair few games in the premier league the year before and shown he belonged there was a great signing and, unsurprisingly he was one of the genuinely successful signings last year. Taylor (despite my reservations) started to look like another as did Jedinak. Of the signings from the championship only Kodjia looked anything like what we expected. Signing players who are too good for where we are is the best way to stop being here and whilst I don't know if Terry is that he sends a signal that we can attract players who are perceived to be better than where we are.
£5 million (wages and bonuses) is such an absurd amount to potentially be a significant signing in staying in this turgid league or going back up to the Premiership.Your village must be missing you....
I would sooner us pay £5m to never see Baker in a Villa shirt again, oaf who couldn't pass wind.
Get him signed.
That's a bit uncalled for.
I'm completely lost here, as I tried to say earlier. What's all this village talk? Aftab, are you being naughty, mate?
He was calling him an idiot.
On topic, I'm resigned to this happening now but I'm very worried that it will backfire because I honestly don't think he'll be able to play enough games to be worth the cost.
That said, on the positive side at least it's a good bit of dick swinging. We're the biggest club in this league by a long way and that should involve us convincing players who are too good for this division to give us a season and help us get out of it, that's why I didn't like the strategy of signing decent players from this level. Someone like Chester who had played a fair few games in the premier league the year before and shown he belonged there was a great signing and, unsurprisingly he was one of the genuinely successful signings last year. Taylor (despite my reservations) started to look like another as did Jedinak. Of the signings from the championship only Kodjia looked anything like what we expected. Signing players who are too good for where we are is the best way to stop being here and whilst I don't know if Terry is that he sends a signal that we can attract players who are perceived to be better than where we are.
Life's too short to read the previous pages, so this player may have been mentioned before in connection with JT. If my father and grandfather were alive today I am quite sure they would be drawing comparisons to Frank Barson. An interesting character to say the least for his part in Villa history. To the best of my knowledge JT has yet to get a 7 month ban from football. Here is a link for anyone interested in our great history.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2014/dec/16/forgotten-story-frank-barson-aston-villa-manchester-united
As you say, looks like it's happening.
On topic, I'm resigned to this happening now but I'm very worried that it will backfire because I honestly don't think he'll be able to play enough games to be worth the cost.
That said, on the positive side at least it's a good bit of dick swinging. We're the biggest club in this league by a long way and that should involve us convincing players who are too good for this division to give us a season and help us get out of it, that's why I didn't like the strategy of signing decent players from this level. Someone like Chester who had played a fair few games in the premier league the year before and shown he belonged there was a great signing and, unsurprisingly he was one of the genuinely successful signings last year. Taylor (despite my reservations) started to look like another as did Jedinak. Of the signings from the championship only Kodjia looked anything like what we expected. Signing players who are too good for where we are is the best way to stop being here and whilst I don't know if Terry is that he sends a signal that we can attract players who are perceived to be better than where we are.
As you say, looks like it's happening.
On topic, I'm resigned to this happening now but I'm very worried that it will backfire because I honestly don't think he'll be able to play enough games to be worth the cost.
That said, on the positive side at least it's a good bit of dick swinging. We're the biggest club in this league by a long way and that should involve us convincing players who are too good for this division to give us a season and help us get out of it, that's why I didn't like the strategy of signing decent players from this level. Someone like Chester who had played a fair few games in the premier league the year before and shown he belonged there was a great signing and, unsurprisingly he was one of the genuinely successful signings last year. Taylor (despite my reservations) started to look like another as did Jedinak. Of the signings from the championship only Kodjia looked anything like what we expected. Signing players who are too good for where we are is the best way to stop being here and whilst I don't know if Terry is that he sends a signal that we can attract players who are perceived to be better than where we are.
I think the critical issue with JT is not so much his fitness - it's clear that we won't get 50 games out of him - but his attitude. If he is coming to Villa to serve an apprenticeship into coaching and management and he takes that seriously, we may find that he will knock some current egos into shape and we'll see a more purposeful and focussed squad. If - au contraire - he is simply here for the money and as a career wind-down, it'll be a nightmare.
Will we get the serious and focussed pro or King John with the gargantuan ego and golden boots?
I've never hated a Villa player before. 😔
I've never hated a Villa player before. 😔
I didn't like Fashanu much, but he never felt like ours.
I'm seriously thinking about taking a sabbatical. They'll miss my three games and a couple of tops in the sale next year.
I don't want to like a player, I want them to do their job and produce results.
Ashley Westwood was a likeable Person.
I don't want to like a player, I want them to do their job and produce results.
Ashley Westwood was a likeable Person.
I'd agree if you're talking about the manager of the Tescos down the road, or the head of the armed forces; basically anything quite important.
But for me, supporting a football isn't a logical, hard-headed decision and I don't want any of the players to be massive c***s, no matter how good they are.
I've never hated a Villa player before. 😔
I've never hated a Villa player before. 😔
Bloody hell. I have. Most of the wankers who got us relegated for starters.
Robert Hopkins was low-life to the power of n.
As you say, looks like it's happening.
On topic, I'm resigned to this happening now but I'm very worried that it will backfire because I honestly don't think he'll be able to play enough games to be worth the cost.
That said, on the positive side at least it's a good bit of dick swinging. We're the biggest club in this league by a long way and that should involve us convincing players who are too good for this division to give us a season and help us get out of it, that's why I didn't like the strategy of signing decent players from this level. Someone like Chester who had played a fair few games in the premier league the year before and shown he belonged there was a great signing and, unsurprisingly he was one of the genuinely successful signings last year. Taylor (despite my reservations) started to look like another as did Jedinak. Of the signings from the championship only Kodjia looked anything like what we expected. Signing players who are too good for where we are is the best way to stop being here and whilst I don't know if Terry is that he sends a signal that we can attract players who are perceived to be better than where we are.
I think the critical issue with JT is not so much his fitness - it's clear that we won't get 50 games out of him - but his attitude. If he is coming to Villa to serve an apprenticeship into coaching and management and he takes that seriously, we may find that he will knock some current egos into shape and we'll see a more purposeful and focussed squad. If - au contraire - he is simply here for the money and as a career wind-down, it'll be a nightmare.
Will we get the serious and focussed pro or King John with the gargantuan ego and golden boots?
The encouraging thing for me is that there would have been far easier options than us if he was just taking the money and winding down.
Djemba Djemba tested my patience.Both of them?
I've never hated a Villa player before. 😔
He'll get my support.
And if (I appreciate it's a pretty big if) he starts putting in heart on the sleeve dominant performances for us, I think the rest of you will come round to it pretty quickly too. If he inspires us to promotion, people will be singing his praises.
It could certainly end up as another Lescott / Richards type move, but for now I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and hope it turns out to be inspired.
He'll get my support.
And if (I appreciate it's a pretty big if) he starts putting in heart on the sleeve dominant performances for us, I think the rest of you will come round to it pretty quickly too. If he inspires us to promotion, people will be singing his praises.
It could certainly end up as another Lescott / Richards type move, but for now I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and hope it turns out to be inspired.
Terry is a vastly superior player to Lescott and Richards with a vastly superior mentality and attitude.
He'll get my support.
And if (I appreciate it's a pretty big if) he starts putting in heart on the sleeve dominant performances for us, I think the rest of you will come round to it pretty quickly too. If he inspires us to promotion, people will be singing his praises.
It could certainly end up as another Lescott / Richards type move, but for now I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and hope it turns out to be inspired.
Terry is a vastly superior player to Lescott and Richards with a vastly superior mentality and attitude.
These examples are pointless though. How old was Sheringham when he scored 20 goals for West Ham? Or McAllister when he went to Liverpool?He'll get my support.
And if (I appreciate it's a pretty big if) he starts putting in heart on the sleeve dominant performances for us, I think the rest of you will come round to it pretty quickly too. If he inspires us to promotion, people will be singing his praises.
It could certainly end up as another Lescott / Richards type move, but for now I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and hope it turns out to be inspired.
Terry is a vastly superior player to Lescott and Richards with a vastly superior mentality and attitude.
He is, that's why my comparison on this thread has always been Pires who had an excellent career and a brilliant attitude but was just too old when he joined. Shay Given is another decent example as well.
These examples are pointless though. How old was Sheringham when he scored 20 goals for West Ham? Or McAllister when he went to Liverpool?He'll get my support.
And if (I appreciate it's a pretty big if) he starts putting in heart on the sleeve dominant performances for us, I think the rest of you will come round to it pretty quickly too. If he inspires us to promotion, people will be singing his praises.
It could certainly end up as another Lescott / Richards type move, but for now I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and hope it turns out to be inspired.
Terry is a vastly superior player to Lescott and Richards with a vastly superior mentality and attitude.
He is, that's why my comparison on this thread has always been Pires who had an excellent career and a brilliant attitude but was just too old when he joined. Shay Given is another decent example as well.
We have absolutely no idea how JT will perform. But is is certainly possible he will be a great asset.
These examples are pointless though. How old was Sheringham when he scored 20 goals for West Ham? Or McAllister when he went to Liverpool?He'll get my support.
And if (I appreciate it's a pretty big if) he starts putting in heart on the sleeve dominant performances for us, I think the rest of you will come round to it pretty quickly too. If he inspires us to promotion, people will be singing his praises.
It could certainly end up as another Lescott / Richards type move, but for now I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and hope it turns out to be inspired.
Terry is a vastly superior player to Lescott and Richards with a vastly superior mentality and attitude.
He is, that's why my comparison on this thread has always been Pires who had an excellent career and a brilliant attitude but was just too old when he joined. Shay Given is another decent example as well.
We have absolutely no idea how JT will perform. But is is certainly possible he will be a great asset.
Isn't it equally as certainly possible he'll be the equivalent of setting fire to £5m in the Holte End car park whilst simultaneously pissing off the rest of the squad and alienating a big chunk of the fan base?
These examples are pointless though. How old was Sheringham when he scored 20 goals for West Ham? Or McAllister when he went to Liverpool?He'll get my support.
And if (I appreciate it's a pretty big if) he starts putting in heart on the sleeve dominant performances for us, I think the rest of you will come round to it pretty quickly too. If he inspires us to promotion, people will be singing his praises.
It could certainly end up as another Lescott / Richards type move, but for now I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and hope it turns out to be inspired.
Terry is a vastly superior player to Lescott and Richards with a vastly superior mentality and attitude.
He is, that's why my comparison on this thread has always been Pires who had an excellent career and a brilliant attitude but was just too old when he joined. Shay Given is another decent example as well.
We have absolutely no idea how JT will perform. But is is certainly possible he will be a great asset.
My next door neighbours are black and there 12 year old son is very excited at the thought of JT wearing our claret and blue, and he's aware of the whole racist remarks.
My next door neighbours are black and there 12 year old son is very excited at the thought of JT wearing our claret and blue, and he's aware of the whole racist remarks.
My next door neighbours are black and there 12 year old son is very excited at the thought of JT wearing our claret and blue, and he's aware of the whole racist remarks.Based on that I am now quite happy and looking forward to wearing the shirt with his name on the back.
Centre half is one position that a lack of pace and slowing of reactions will leave you dreadfully exposed.These examples are pointless though. How old was Sheringham when he scored 20 goals for West Ham? Or McAllister when he went to Liverpool?He'll get my support.
And if (I appreciate it's a pretty big if) he starts putting in heart on the sleeve dominant performances for us, I think the rest of you will come round to it pretty quickly too. If he inspires us to promotion, people will be singing his praises.
It could certainly end up as another Lescott / Richards type move, but for now I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and hope it turns out to be inspired.
Terry is a vastly superior player to Lescott and Richards with a vastly superior mentality and attitude.
He is, that's why my comparison on this thread has always been Pires who had an excellent career and a brilliant attitude but was just too old when he joined. Shay Given is another decent example as well.
We have absolutely no idea how JT will perform. But is is certainly possible he will be a great asset.
They really aren't pointless, they're examples of older players moving to a new club. Sheringham is actually a perfect example of how it could work out well and I do accept that it could happen. Mcallister on the other hand is exactly what I'm worried about. He was 35 when he signed for Liverpool and his first season was superb but the next season was a year too far and he looked spent by about February. He managed to eek out another 18 months at coventry after that but mainly because he was the player manager and kept picking himself.
That's the concern as I've said a few times, at that age things go south pretty quickly and Terry could be fine now and fucked by Christmas.
It has been alluded to that due to a player not convicted of racism by law, potentially joining our great club, that ethnic juveniles in Brum may choose to support Man Utd or Arsenal, strange I've never seen a Man Utd shirt round here before.
Mcallister on the other hand is exactly what I'm worried about. He was 35 when he signed for Liverpool and his first season was superb but the next season was a year too far and he looked spent by about February.
Mcallister on the other hand is exactly what I'm worried about. He was 35 when he signed for Liverpool and his first season was superb but the next season was a year too far and he looked spent by about February.
I'm against this deal on so many levels. But if- for the sake of argument- Terry tips the balance the way McAllister did for that Liverpool side, I'd have no complaints from a playing point of view. Even if he was only effective for 12 months. I'd still be against the move for other reasons well covered by this point.
On the playing side, my concern is that this deal will be far more like the Joe Cole, Senderos, Kieran Richardson, Lescott masterstrokes we have pulled recently.
My next door neighbours are black and there 12 year old son is very excited at the thought of JT wearing our claret and blue, and he's aware of the whole racist remarks.
What's your point?
John Terry ........................I would prefer we sign June and Terry
I'm going to bite my lip if it's a one off - but if we sign Luis Suarez as well, I'm done.
Who's going to boycott then? PWS sent his season ticket back yet?
Trying to link politics to this was inflammatory and foolish. Maybe some leave voters suspect this country can't support an ever growing population, especially with severe cuts in public services.
Who's going to boycott then? PWS sent his season ticket back yet?
Considered it, but I can't justify following a team that has a rapist playing for them and refusing to follow a team that has a racist.
Like with Goodwillie, I'll still support the team but I won't cheer for Terry.
Who's going to boycott then? PWS sent his season ticket back yet?
Trying to link politics to this was inflammatory and foolish. Maybe some leave voters suspect this country can't support an ever growing population, especially with severe cuts in public services.
Well by voting to leave means that there will be even more cuts to the already thread bare public service. So leaving the EU isn't going to improve things it's going to cause more damage is anything.
When a goal goes in I'm sure Terry will definitely be able to identify whom from the 35k is standing and clapping with a moral high ground.
Behave
he is a real leader which we lack .....Chester did well as captain but he is not vocal as JT would be.
Who's going to boycott then? PWS sent his season ticket back yet?
Considered it, but I can't justify following a team that has a rapist playing for them and refusing to follow a team that has a racist.
Like with Goodwillie, I'll still support the team but I won't cheer for Terry.
What other teams do you like? I fancy a flutter on Adam Johnsons next destination.
Please provide proof of criminal racism charges or is it just your opinion that one exchange makes one a racist?
Do educate me.
Come on. If we have a good season and we're fighting for the league you won't be able to stop yourself.Who's going to boycott then? PWS sent his season ticket back yet?
I don't have a ST to send back. I won't be going to as many games as usual though.
Come on. If we have a good season and we're fighting for the league you won't be able to help yourself.Who's going to boycott then? PWS sent his season ticket back yet?
I don't have a ST to send back. I won't be going to as many games as usual though.
It's going to be a bit surreal having him playing for us, but if he he takes us up I would shake his hand. Whilst containing my inner reservations. UTV.Come on. If we have a good season and we're fighting for the league you won't be able to stop yourself.Who's going to boycott then? PWS sent his season ticket back yet?
I don't have a ST to send back. I won't be going to as many games as usual though.
It was pointed out to me that it will be the second year running we've signed a player who had just won a PL medal.
Let's hope his season lasts a little longer than Ritchie De Laet's!
Hopefully this really does mean we can fuck Micah Richards off.Hard to imagine how EBJTwould address this matter.
I'm ok with it, if we refused to sign any footballers that had ever behaved like dickheads in the past we'd struggle to get a decent side out.
This can't be real surely?Are you for real?! Lol!!!
If true I think this will be the most embarrassing thing Villa have done since McLeish came in, which is really saying something. I've been pretty heartbroken at how low we've sunk, it's made me fall out of love with football (I barely watch any games these days) And now this, my most hated player of all time supposedly signing for us? Wake me when this nightmare is over.
This can't be real surely?
If true I think this will be the most embarrassing thing Villa have done since McLeish came in, which is really saying something. I've been pretty heartbroken at how low we've sunk, it's made me fall out of love with football (I barely watch any games these days) And now this, my most hated player of all time supposedly signing for us? Wake me when this nightmare is over.
When has a decrepit, racist centre-half ever got a team promoted?Next year hopefully?
When has a decrepit, racist centre-half ever got a team promoted?Next year hopefully?
My next door neighbours are black and there 12 year old son is very excited at the thought of JT wearing our claret and blue, and he's aware of the whole racist remarks.
What are the chances?
My next door neighbours are black and there 12 year old son is very excited at the thought of JT wearing our claret and blue, and he's aware of the whole racist remarks.
What are the chances?
What, a black family supporting Villa in suburban Birmingham?
For the first time since Tony Xia took over I begin to have niggling doubts about him. He seemed to want RDM because he was a high profile known name. Now he seems to backing the use of a substantial amount of his money with the same motivation. Our priorities should be the maximisation of the abilities of a talented squad. Picking the right teams, playing them in their best positions, being tactically astute, getting the team fully fit, building team spirit, getting rid of dead wood from the squad. Instead the focus has shifted to us becoming John Terry's Aston Villa.Completely agree.
The first half dozen games of the new season are as important as any in our history. I wish I was more confident.
No way Bruce would be allowed to spend that amount of money without consulting the owner.
Yes but there is a difference between Xia wanting big names and Xia backing his manager.
I think it's a low moment, and funnily enough I don't even care if he improves us. But, more's the point, is he really the very best we can do for the money we're paying him? Or is Bruce just being an unimaginative starfucker here?Agree totally. Just come firms my opinion of him. Another chancer that is out of his depth with no imagination and no idea of what we need.
I think it's a low moment, and funnily enough I don't even care if he improves us. But, more's the point, is he really the very best we can do for the money we're paying him? Or is Bruce just being an unimaginative starfucker here?Agree totally. Just come firms my opinion of him. Another chancer that is out of his depth with no imagination and no idea of what we need.
Weird signing...and not my favorite by any means. Will he improve us? Yes, even though the defence wasn't a major issue. IMO it's not leaders, winners, experience and such like that we need most. We need Bruce to sort this formation and style of playing out. That the major issue for me.
Anyway, my love for Villa is greater than my disliking of Terry so if it improves us on the pitch then all well and good with me.
Spot on.Weird signing...and not my favorite by any means. Will he improve us? Yes, even though the defence wasn't a major issue. IMO it's not leaders, winners, experience and such like that we need most. We need Bruce to sort this formation and style of playing out. That the major issue for me.
Anyway, my love for Villa is greater than my disliking of Terry so if it improves us on the pitch then all well and good with me.
Most sensible and honest post of the year by far.
Weird signing...and not my favorite by any means. Will he improve us? Yes, even though the defence wasn't a major issue. IMO it's not leaders, winners, experience and such like that we need most. We need Bruce to sort this formation and style of playing out. That the major issue for me.Common sense prevails.
Anyway, my love for Villa is greater than my disliking of Terry so if it improves us on the pitch then all well and good with me.
For the first time since Tony Xia took over I begin to have niggling doubts about him. He seemed to want RDM because he was a high profile known name. Now he seems to backing the use of a substantial amount of his money with the same motivation. Our priorities should be the maximisation of the abilities of a talented squad. Picking the right teams, playing them in their best positions, being tactically astute, getting the team fully fit, building team spirit, getting rid of dead wood from the squad. Instead the focus has shifted to us becoming John Terry's Aston Villa.
The first half dozen games of the new season are as important as any in our history. I wish I was more confident.
This can't be real surely?
If true I think this will be the most embarrassing thing Villa have done since McLeish came in, which is really saying something. I've been pretty heartbroken at how low we've sunk, it's made me fall out of love with football (I barely watch any games these days) And now this, my most hated player of all time supposedly signing for us? Wake me when this nightmare is over.
This can't be real surely?
If true I think this will be the most embarrassing thing Villa have done since McLeish came in, which is really saying something. I've been pretty heartbroken at how low we've sunk, it's made me fall out of love with football (I barely watch any games these days) And now this, my most hated player of all time supposedly signing for us? Wake me when this nightmare is over.
More embarrassing than relegation, countless cup defeats against lower league shite or having Chelsea, Liverpool and Southampton put at least 5 past us?
I don't particularly like the man either but like all new signings we should wipe the slate clean and give him a chance.
For the first time since Tony Xia took over I begin to have niggling doubts about him. He seemed to want RDM because he was a high profile known name. Now he seems to backing the use of a substantial amount of his money with the same motivation. Our priorities should be the maximisation of the abilities of a talented squad. Picking the right teams, playing them in their best positions, being tactically astute, getting the team fully fit, building team spirit, getting rid of dead wood from the squad. Instead the focus has shifted to us becoming John Terry's Aston Villa.
The first half dozen games of the new season are as important as any in our history. I wish I was more confident.
I think you're trying to suggest that Xia is trying to inflict certain players onto the manager. I think Bruce would walk if it was the chairman buying the players and not the manager.
This can't be real surely?
If true I think this will be the most embarrassing thing Villa have done since McLeish came in, which is really saying something. I've been pretty heartbroken at how low we've sunk, it's made me fall out of love with football (I barely watch any games these days) And now this, my most hated player of all time supposedly signing for us? Wake me when this nightmare is over.
More embarrassing than relegation, countless cup defeats against lower league shite or having Chelsea, Liverpool and Southampton put at least 5 past us?
I don't particularly like the man either but like all new signings we should wipe the slate clean and give him a chance.
Pretty sure this was a coincidence but I saw Reginald D Hunter on Live at the Apollo talking about John Terry the other night. I can't find the clip and it's in no way justifying racism, but if he can accept it and make a joke out of it then just may be some on here are taking this hatred towards JT a little but over the top. For the record, I think JT is a complete fucktard but as someone else had said, my love for the Villa is greater than my hatred of JT.
And did it make you change your mind on Jerry?
And did it make you change your mind on Jerry?
I've always preferred Tom & Barbara but Margot was a handful.
I would actually prefer any kid walking around the area wearing SHA, Sandwell or Wolves as opposed to the afore mentioned glory hunting shirts.Yes agreed.
He is not suggesting that at all. It's an observation that rather than being a resolute club builder Xia is more of a glory hunting publicity seeker.For the first time since Tony Xia took over I begin to have niggling doubts about him. He seemed to want RDM because he was a high profile known name. Now he seems to backing the use of a substantial amount of his money with the same motivation. Our priorities should be the maximisation of the abilities of a talented squad. Picking the right teams, playing them in their best positions, being tactically astute, getting the team fully fit, building team spirit, getting rid of dead wood from the squad. Instead the focus has shifted to us becoming John Terry's Aston Villa.
The first half dozen games of the new season are as important as any in our history. I wish I was more confident.
I think you're trying to suggest that Xia is trying to inflict certain players onto the manager. I think Bruce would walk if it was the chairman buying the players and not the manager.
For the first time since Tony Xia took over I begin to have niggling doubts about him. He seemed to want RDM because he was a high profile known name. Now he seems to backing the use of a substantial amount of his money with the same motivation. Our priorities should be the maximisation of the abilities of a talented squad. Picking the right teams, playing them in their best positions, being tactically astute, getting the team fully fit, building team spirit, getting rid of dead wood from the squad. Instead the focus has shifted to us becoming John Terry's Aston Villa.Spot on.
The first half dozen games of the new season are as important as any in our history. I wish I was more confident.
He is not suggesting that at all. It's an observation that rather than being a resolute club builder Xia is more of a glory hunting publicity seeker.For the first time since Tony Xia took over I begin to have niggling doubts about him. He seemed to want RDM because he was a high profile known name. Now he seems to backing the use of a substantial amount of his money with the same motivation. Our priorities should be the maximisation of the abilities of a talented squad. Picking the right teams, playing them in their best positions, being tactically astute, getting the team fully fit, building team spirit, getting rid of dead wood from the squad. Instead the focus has shifted to us becoming John Terry's Aston Villa.
The first half dozen games of the new season are as important as any in our history. I wish I was more confident.
I think you're trying to suggest that Xia is trying to inflict certain players onto the manager. I think Bruce would walk if it was the chairman buying the players and not the manager.
He is not suggesting that at all. It's an observation that rather than being a resolute club builder Xia is more of a glory hunting publicity seeker.For the first time since Tony Xia took over I begin to have niggling doubts about him. He seemed to want RDM because he was a high profile known name. Now he seems to backing the use of a substantial amount of his money with the same motivation. Our priorities should be the maximisation of the abilities of a talented squad. Picking the right teams, playing them in their best positions, being tactically astute, getting the team fully fit, building team spirit, getting rid of dead wood from the squad. Instead the focus has shifted to us becoming John Terry's Aston Villa.
The first half dozen games of the new season are as important as any in our history. I wish I was more confident.
I think you're trying to suggest that Xia is trying to inflict certain players onto the manager. I think Bruce would walk if it was the chairman buying the players and not the manager.
He is not suggesting that at all. It's an observation that rather than being a resolute club builder Xia is more of a glory hunting publicity seeker.For the first time since Tony Xia took over I begin to have niggling doubts about him. He seemed to want RDM because he was a high profile known name. Now he seems to backing the use of a substantial amount of his money with the same motivation. Our priorities should be the maximisation of the abilities of a talented squad. Picking the right teams, playing them in their best positions, being tactically astute, getting the team fully fit, building team spirit, getting rid of dead wood from the squad. Instead the focus has shifted to us becoming John Terry's Aston Villa.
The first half dozen games of the new season are as important as any in our history. I wish I was more confident.
I think you're trying to suggest that Xia is trying to inflict certain players onto the manager. I think Bruce would walk if it was the chairman buying the players and not the manager.
I don't think I've ever heard Xia being interviewed on TV or the radio since the day he took over so how can anyone claim he's a glory hunting publicity seeker is beyond me. What are you basing this opinion on, his tweets?
isn't that because you were living in a one party conformist state?
If somebody asked me to think of the biggest wanker in football today I'd think of John Terry. Considering the competition out there, that makes him a colossal wanker, for all the reasons discussed above.
What Villa need, and have needed for some considerable time, is someone to make its highly paid, pampered and very comfortable footballers afraid of losing. So afraid that they won't let it happen. The kind of fear Ferguson instilled at Man United. The kind that makes players super vigilant, switched on and determined to win at all costs.
For many years successive owners, managers and captains have failed to do this. Arseholes like Richards, Gabby and Lescott have been allowed to take the piss. That carried on into last season with Fat Ross. There's still an "oh well, we lost" attitude at the club and it fucking reeks. If Terry's influence can have a "don't you fucking dare take the piss while I'm in this team" effect, then it's what we badly need.
Like Russon above, we've had so many wankers and arseholes play for, manage, own and run us over the years that I am inured to such arseholery. I don't expect to like modern day footballers. I just want Villa to act like a competitive fucking football club and be winners for once. I want to see us live up to our recently ditched motto.
We're not a fucking conference and banqueting facility, or a commercial partner for Fiat and Unibet. Our distant glories and lavish history mean absolutely fuck all if we can't put up a fight against Huddersfield and Brentford. I want to see us win football matches and haul ourselves out of this shit league. But we have no right to anything we're not prepared to sweat blood for.
It remains to be seen whether Terry can help in that regard, but that's why he's being brought in. If it works, I really won't care too much what a giant gnashing arsehole he is. They've been ten a penny at Villa.
I have posted many times that I like Tony Xia, right from the very first when there were several on this forum making comparisons with the Small Heath hairdresser. I would go further and say that in the last twelve months he has been the only real asset the club has had.
However, to return to my earlier point, I have no doubt at all that Tony Xia has been fully involved in the pursuit of John Terry. Because the whole operation of bringing Terry in is a gamble, I have real concerns that Tony Xia is influenced by Terry's name and Terry's past achievements. I never mentioned glory hunting but I will say that if we are to lift a trophy I would prefer it being lifted by James Chester.
My niggling doubts are that Tony Xia is perhaps showing a bit of the naivety that caused Randy Lerner to fail so spectacularly. The assumption that if Terry scores a couple of goals all the Villa fans will love him is as naive as Lerner jumping in his plane to parachute Alex McLeish into Villa Park. Couple of wins and the Villa fans will forget the Small Heath history. The naivety was that Alex McLeish was a terrible manager not that he had previously managed Small Heath.
The real problem with John Terry is that he is yet another gamble with the future of the club at a time when we cannot afford to take more risks. To think that the 37 year old is going to be some sort of panacea for all our problems is a drift back to naivety.
I have posted many times that I like Tony Xia, right from the very first when there were several on this forum making comparisons with the Small Heath hairdresser. I would go further and say that in the last twelve months he has been the only real asset the club has had.I thought he was 36
However, to return to my earlier point, I have no doubt at all that Tony Xia has been fully involved in the pursuit of John Terry. Because the whole operation of bringing Terry in is a gamble, I have real concerns that Tony Xia is influenced by Terry's name and Terry's past achievements. I never mentioned glory hunting but I will say that if we are to lift a trophy I would prefer it being lifted by James Chester.
My niggling doubts are that Tony Xia is perhaps showing a bit of the naivety that caused Randy Lerner to fail so spectacularly. The assumption that if Terry scores a couple of goals all the Villa fans will love him is as naive as Lerner jumping in his plane to parachute Alex McLeish into Villa Park. Couple of wins and the Villa fans will forget the Small Heath history. The naivety was that Alex McLeish was a terrible manager not that he had previously managed Small Heath.
The real problem with John Terry is that he is yet another gamble with the future of the club at a time when we cannot afford to take more risks. To think that the 37 year old is going to be some sort of panacea for all our problems is a drift back to naivety.
So signing John Terry will make us the same as Millwall or Lazio? Get a grip.This can't be real surely?
If true I think this will be the most embarrassing thing Villa have done since McLeish came in, which is really saying something. I've been pretty heartbroken at how low we've sunk, it's made me fall out of love with football (I barely watch any games these days) And now this, my most hated player of all time supposedly signing for us? Wake me when this nightmare is over.
More embarrassing than relegation, countless cup defeats against lower league shite or having Chelsea, Liverpool and Southampton put at least 5 past us?
I don't particularly like the man either but like all new signings we should wipe the slate clean and give him a chance.
He's not like all new signings. He's a racist.
Let some c***s like Millwall or Lazio have him.
No. Have I said that? I think we are better than them so shouldn't be signing racists.That seems to be what your implying. John Terry should only sign for a racist club like Lazio or Millwall.
I don't think I've ever heard Xia being interviewed on TV or the radio since the day he took over so how can anyone claim he's a glory hunting publicity seeker is beyond me. What are you basing this opinion on, his tweets?Yes of course his childish tweets and the facts that he:
Has Paul Mgrath said anything about us signing JT? I'd be interested to hear his thoughts
Well said SE. It's much better and much more powerful when all people take a firm stand on racism not just black/coloured people.Has Paul Mgrath said anything about us signing JT? I'd be interested to hear his thoughts
Why? Do we have to put our opinions on hold about signing a racist until our favourite black man speaks about it?
Also, McGrath is of a generation (and nationality) that sadly ensured that he endured far, far worse racism than that which Terry dished out. Perhaps his ability to forgive his own tormentors means that he's more inclined to acceptance of c*nts like Terry? Does that mean we have to agree? Isn't he also a Chelsea fan, which might also be a factor? Why does it matter?
Well said SE. It's much better and much more powerful when all people take a firm stand on racism not just black/coloured people.Has Paul Mgrath said anything about us signing JT? I'd be interested to hear his thoughts
Why? Do we have to put our opinions on hold about signing a racist until our favourite black man speaks about it?
Also, McGrath is of a generation (and nationality) that sadly ensured that he endured far, far worse racism than that which Terry dished out. Perhaps his ability to forgive his own tormentors means that he's more inclined to acceptance of c*nts like Terry? Does that mean we have to agree? Isn't he also a Chelsea fan, which might also be a factor? Why does it matter?
The apologists are ashamed and are looking for any excuse to assuage their guilt.
Thanks pal. Although it's a bit rum to automatically assume that I'm a pale, second-generation Irish pinko, just because I come across as a twat. I mean, I am, but check your privilege, bruv. Winking gent.I had my suspicions about you ;)
Just wondered. JeezHas Paul Mgrath said anything about us signing JT? I'd be interested to hear his thoughts
Why? Do we have to put our opinions on hold about signing a racist until our favourite black man speaks about it?
Also, McGrath is of a generation (and nationality) that sadly ensured that he endured far, far worse racism than that which Terry dished out. Perhaps his ability to forgive his own tormentors means that he's more inclined to acceptance of c*nts like Terry? Does that mean we have to agree? Isn't he also a Chelsea fan, which might also be a factor? Why does it matter?
If we are to sign him ideally I'd like to see Villa win promotion without him spending a single minute on the pitch. That would be rather nice. Hate the thought of Captain Me in a Villa shirt.
The apologists are ashamed and are looking for any excuse to assuage their guilt.
I'm not even sure they are ashamed, sadly.
Calling someone a fxcking black cxnt in the workplace is just one of those things, it seems.
Man up, or go shopping with the missus. Or summat.
If we are to sign him ideally I'd like to see Villa win promotion without him spending a single minute on the pitch. That would be rather nice. Hate the thought of Captain Me in a Villa shirt.
I imagine he'll spend most of his time in London, training alone and traveling up to Bodymoor Heath on a Friday morning before the game. Obviously not going to move up here for the season and can't see him too keen to commute on a daily basis. But fear not, he will turn up in full kit for the first team squad photo.
The apologists are ashamed and are looking for any excuse to assuage their guilt.
I'm not even sure they are ashamed, sadly.
Calling someone a fxcking black cxnt in the workplace is just one of those things, it seems.
Man up, or go shopping with the missus. Or summat.
I'm sure this is a trivial point in the scheme of things but wasn't he found not guilty by a court of law?
Why did you wonder?You'll have to explain that one.
Do you wonder what he thinks about the replacement for Villa Cash?
The apologists are ashamed and are looking for any excuse to assuage their guilt.
Have a read through the thread. They know who they are.
Have a read through the thread. They know who they are.
I know you guys were not talking about me but I am a bit taken aback by the strong inference that fellow Villa fans here are racist because they are willing to give him a chance here. Over the line and very unfair.
There is plenty to not like about him coming here football wise and character wise without slurring fellow fans.
I respect the fact you take the issue seriously. I also respect the fact you dont want people whitewashing over a very important issue. But I think you have let your commitment to that noble cause cloud your judgement. Honestly, take a look again. Some fellow fans have also looked at the same evidence you have and come to a different conclusion. That doesnt mean they are racists, they just think justice has been served by an actual court and are willing to move on. Like Terry's team mates incidentally.
I'm struggling to keep up, let me get it straight...
"Racist" = unacceptable slur.
"Fucking black c***" = perfectly acceptable, sign him up?
I'm struggling to keep up, let me get it straight...
"Racist" = unacceptable slur.
"Fucking black c***" = perfectly acceptable, sign him up?
No. Not at all.
"Racist apologist" = unacceptable slur for fellow fans who disagree with you and do not believe he is a racist or happen to believe he has changed and justice was served.
It really is wrong and over the line, I respectfully ask you and SE think about it.
Again I am ON your bloody side :) The reason I am even saying anything is I did the same thing last week in a different context* and I regretted it afterwards.
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*In the heat of the moment I called all USA Republicans racists. Many of my Republican friends didn't much like that :) Looking back I would have phrased it differently while keeping the same intent which was to hilight the racist actions of the Republican party.
Well, the Republicans did get elected with the most explicitly racist agenda since George Wallace but, yeah, okay we can leave that.
I wasn't calling all of those who are accepting, or even keen, on the signing of Terry racist apologists.
However, there are a number of racist apologists who have exposed themselves on here. Notably the one (AVSnobs?) who suggested what Terry said was okay because we're all a bit racist and we all tell racist jokes really, or some shite like that.
Paul Mariner backs John Terry for Aston Villa success.
I feel at ease now.
Done deal ?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/07/02/john-terry-decides-join-aston-villa-will-sign-imminently/
I think some sick just came up.
Done deal ?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/07/02/john-terry-decides-join-aston-villa-will-sign-imminently/
I think some sick just came up.
A division above us and a player, whatever you may think of him, chooses us over Albion.
I also wish to put in record that I am really pissed off by this signing. There can't have been many players I have hated more than him. I remember having a terrible row on the phone to my dad when he tried to stick up for him - the worst ever.
Having said that, if he turns out to be a genuinely strong asset to the team, and I show any signs at all of weakening and thinking that he is OK after all, please pour my drink over my head when you see me in The Bartons. Actually, no, punch me in the face, I'll deserve it.
Done deal ?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/07/02/john-terry-decides-join-aston-villa-will-sign-imminently/
I think some sick just came up.
A division above us and a player, whatever you may think of him, chooses us over Albion.
Brighton, Burton or West Brom?
Done deal ?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/07/02/john-terry-decides-join-aston-villa-will-sign-imminently/
I think some sick just came up.
A division above us and a player, whatever you may think of him, chooses us over Albion.
Brighton, Burton or West Brom?
Yeah, should have written West Brom really. The reference was in the article.
I know you guys were not talking about me but I am a bit taken aback by the strong inference that fellow Villa fans here are racist because they are willing to give him a chance here. Over the line and very unfair.
There is plenty to not like about him coming here football wise and character wise without slurring fellow fans.
I don't think anyone has said that anyone on here is racist. I'm a bit shocked that so many on here are comfortable with us signing a known racist.
Frank Barson.I know you guys were not talking about me but I am a bit taken aback by the strong inference that fellow Villa fans here are racist because they are willing to give him a chance here. Over the line and very unfair.
There is plenty to not like about him coming here football wise and character wise without slurring fellow fans.
I don't think anyone has said that anyone on here is racist. I'm a bit shocked that so many on here are comfortable with us signing a known racist.
It does make many people uneasy and rightfully so. But other people are also right to question whether their dislike for his attitude can be squared with his ability as a footballer and a leader around the club. Something we need.
At Villa we've had our fair share of racists, bigots, and people who did things we would usually use as a reason to call them all the twats under the sun. But, we pick and choose based on what we want to think and feel. I personally can't stand John Terry but I'd be a hypocrite to pretend that I wouldn't be cheering him loudly if he lifted the Championship trophy or was an integral part of our set-up that got promoted.
Probably our greatest player was allegedly a wife beater and an alcoholic. The sort of person you'd hate to have associated with our club. And yet he's revered by just about everyone. Everyone picks and chooses their moral code so no need to get on a moral crusade when the plank in each of our eyes is jutting out.
I know you guys were not talking about me but I am a bit taken aback by the strong inference that fellow Villa fans here are racist because they are willing to give him a chance here. Over the line and very unfair.
There is plenty to not like about him coming here football wise and character wise without slurring fellow fans.
I don't think anyone has said that anyone on here is racist. I'm a bit shocked that so many on here are comfortable with us signing a known racist.
It does make many people uneasy and rightfully so. But other people are also right to question whether their dislike for his attitude can be squared with his ability as a footballer and a leader around the club. Something we need.
At Villa we've had our fair share of racists, bigots, and people who did things we would usually use as a reason to call them all the twats under the sun. But, we pick and choose based on what we want to think and feel. I personally can't stand John Terry but I'd be a hypocrite to pretend that I wouldn't be cheering him loudly if he lifted the Championship trophy or was an integral part of our set-up that got promoted.
Probably our greatest player was allegedly a wife beater and an alcoholic. The sort of person you'd hate to have associated with our club. And yet he's revered by just about everyone. Everyone picks and chooses their moral code so no need to get on a moral crusade when the plank in each of our eyes is jutting out.
If I recall correctly, hasn't John Gregory recently been 'outed' for re-tweeting Britain First/EDL/UKIP stuff?Bout right imo.
I am currently going through a house move and the bloke I am buying off is a vile, 75 year old, bigoted old twat.
I know this because we viewed his property on Election Day, and got chatting when his 'views' became obvious.
Now, there is nothing more I would like than to tell him to shove his house up his racist arse, but unfortunately we want it. I can't cut off my nose to spite my face, so I choose to ignore the unpleasantness in this person and carry on for the greater good.
My point is that there are loads of these vile individuals out there.
We all deal with them on a daily basis, sometimes without knowing.
We just have to be the bigger people and gain some comfort in the fact that 'we KNOW what you are'.
This - I sometimes wonder what makes people so absolute in justice of one issue, and so loose on others - a bit like my local christian fundamentalists, that decide that 1 or 2 phrases are deadly sins, yet others we have moved on from.I know you guys were not talking about me but I am a bit taken aback by the strong inference that fellow Villa fans here are racist because they are willing to give him a chance here. Over the line and very unfair.
There is plenty to not like about him coming here football wise and character wise without slurring fellow fans.
I don't think anyone has said that anyone on here is racist. I'm a bit shocked that so many on here are comfortable with us signing a known racist.
It does make many people uneasy and rightfully so. But other people are also right to question whether their dislike for his attitude can be squared with his ability as a footballer and a leader around the club. Something we need.
At Villa we've had our fair share of racists, bigots, and people who did things we would usually use as a reason to call them all the twats under the sun. But, we pick and choose based on what we want to think and feel. I personally can't stand John Terry but I'd be a hypocrite to pretend that I wouldn't be cheering him loudly if he lifted the Championship trophy or was an integral part of our set-up that got promoted.
Probably our greatest player was allegedly a wife beater and an alcoholic. The sort of person you'd hate to have associated with our club. And yet he's revered by just about everyone. Everyone picks and chooses their moral code so no need to get on a moral crusade when the plank in each of our eyes is jutting out.
George BestFrank Barson.I know you guys were not talking about me but I am a bit taken aback by the strong inference that fellow Villa fans here are racist because they are willing to give him a chance here. Over the line and very unfair.
There is plenty to not like about him coming here football wise and character wise without slurring fellow fans.
I don't think anyone has said that anyone on here is racist. I'm a bit shocked that so many on here are comfortable with us signing a known racist.
It does make many people uneasy and rightfully so. But other people are also right to question whether their dislike for his attitude can be squared with his ability as a footballer and a leader around the club. Something we need.
At Villa we've had our fair share of racists, bigots, and people who did things we would usually use as a reason to call them all the twats under the sun. But, we pick and choose based on what we want to think and feel. I personally can't stand John Terry but I'd be a hypocrite to pretend that I wouldn't be cheering him loudly if he lifted the Championship trophy or was an integral part of our set-up that got promoted.
Probably our greatest player was allegedly a wife beater and an alcoholic. The sort of person you'd hate to have associated with our club. And yet he's revered by just about everyone. Everyone picks and chooses their moral code so no need to get on a moral crusade when the plank in each of our eyes is jutting out.
Welcome John Terry! Lead us back to the Premier League!!
Welcome John. lead this famous club back to where we should be!
We got over a woman beater who is allegedly a Villa fan, nothing to see here.
Welcome John.
Haven't had a goalscoring centre half since the Great Dane. Welcome JT, just give us a bit of leadership and a nasty streak and we will be celebrating come May 2018
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Welcome big man.
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Welcome big man.
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Sorry, what?
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Welcome big man.
you're acting a bit of a twat. Just respect the fact that some, many even aren't thrilled about this.
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Welcome big man.
you're acting a bit of a twat. Just respect the fact that some, many even aren't thrilled about this.
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Welcome big man.
you're acting a bit of a twat. Just respect the fact that some, many even aren't thrilled about this.
What's with the abuse?
Also your argument could be used the other way around. I don't see much respect on here aimed at fans who would welcome Terry to Villa. Racist apologists I think they've been called.
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Welcome big man.
you're acting a bit of a twat. Just respect the fact that some, many even aren't thrilled about this.
What's with the abuse?
Also your argument could be used the other way around. I don't see much respect on here aimed at fans who would welcome Terry to Villa. Racist apologists I think they've been called.
I think it's aimed at such cryptic, childish comments like the 'bullyskids 0'.
John Terry 1 BullysKids 0.
Welcome big man.
you're acting a bit of a twat. Just respect the fact that some, many even aren't thrilled about this.
What's with the abuse?
Also your argument could be used the other way around. I don't see much respect on here aimed at fans who would welcome Terry to Villa. Racist apologists I think they've been called.
John Terry 1 BullysKids 0.
Welcome big man.
you're acting a bit of a twat. Just respect the fact that some, many even aren't thrilled about this.
What's with the abuse?
Also your argument could be used the other way around. I don't see much respect on here aimed at fans who would welcome Terry to Villa. Racist apologists I think they've been called.
I think it's aimed at such cryptic, childish comments like the 'bullyskids 0'.
There's been silly comments all around but they don't warrant personal abuse.
John Terry 1 BullysKids 0.
Welcome big man.
you're acting a bit of a twat. Just respect the fact that some, many even aren't thrilled about this.
What's with the abuse?
Also your argument could be used the other way around. I don't see much respect on here aimed at fans who would welcome Terry to Villa. Racist apologists I think they've been called.
He's clearly rubbing it in. I've said nowhere that he couldn't welcome Terry to club. I just did myself. But there's a difference between that and where he's going with it. And yes, by comparison racist apologists on the other side is overstepping the mark too in my opinion.
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Welcome big man.
you're acting a bit of a twat. Just respect the fact that some, many even aren't thrilled about this.
What's with the abuse?
Also your argument could be used the other way around. I don't see much respect on here aimed at fans who would welcome Terry to Villa. Racist apologists I think they've been called.
He's clearly rubbing it in. I've said nowhere that he couldn't welcome Terry to club. I just did myself. But there's a difference between that and where he's going with it. And yes, by comparison racist apologists on the other side is overstepping the mark too in my opinion.
I sit firmly in Toronto's boat.
Not proven racist, so subjective.
When I said a couple of weeks ago that I'd stop going if we signed him, I really, really meant it. I'd worked out what I was going to do with my season ticket and everything. To be fair to Ads, he called me out on it straight away, and now I'm faced the reality if it, I don't think I can go through with a boycott - and I realise that this makes me an incredibly weak individual. Damon's article that was posted last week just highlighted that I go for so many other reasons than just to watch the latest collection of disappointing players. I sit next to my brother and my Dad, and I want my son to join us in a few years. John Terry isn't going to take that moment away from me.
It has made a lot less enthusiastic about the upcoming season, though. Normally, at this point of the summer, I'm desperate for transfer rumours and checking the fixtures to know when I'll get my next fix. Not this time though. Something special that I thought was there, turns out to have either gone or never existed in the first place.
I won't cheer him. I'll boo his name when it gets read out. And I'll no longer be going to matches in my 'Doctor X' t-shirt, I'm ordering a 'Kick It Out' one tonight.
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Please provide quote from John Terry admitting he is racist?
Can we scratch me from the record as an apologist of this quote is not
Forthcoming?
Please provide quote from John Terry admitting he is racist?Honestly mate you need to pipe it down now. That is if you are a true Villa fan.
Can we scratch me from the record as an apologist of this quote is not
Forthcoming?
The defendant does not deny that he used the words, “fuck off, fuck off”,
“fucking black ******” or “fucking knobhead”. His case is that his words were
not uttered by way of abuse or insult nor were they intended to be abusive or
insulting.
Don't worry John, BulliesKids doesn't attend many games so that's one less person not standing when you win.
Define a "true Villa fan"Well Ok that's a tall order but a Villa fan will not go on inappropriately rubbing up fellow Villains.
Define a "true Villa fan"Well Ok that's a tall order but a Villa fan will not go on inappropriately rubbing up fellow Villains.
Don't worry John, BulliesKids doesn't attend many games so that's one less person not standing when you win.
I refuse to apologise, how do you like those apples.
I couldn't give a shite. I was wondering if you had something to back up your ludicrous claim that I bully kids.
Clearly not, you daft racist apologist.
I refuse to apologise, how do you like those apples.
If someone makes an accusation, they should be able to back it up. I could pick loads of comments that would back up my opinion of this Snobs fellow.
I'd like to know how I "Bully kids".
It doesn't make any sense, he could at least insult me properly. I see he hasn't been reprimanded?
Define a "true Villa fan"Well Ok that's a tall order but a Villa fan will not go on inappropriately rubbing up fellow Villains.
Welcome to John Terry at our great club lets hope he does the business and get's us promoted.
Not happy, and not just because I think Terry is a loathsome individual. I'm getting more concerned about Bruce - we signed some of the best players in the Championship last season and he couldn't get them playing the way they had at their former clubs. Signing the likes of Terry, and if rumours are to be believed, the likes of Whelan and Walters, smacks of signing players at the end of their careers and by virtue of their experience players he won't need to coach, and due to their age players which will be of no use to us if we do get promoted.
Define a "true Villa fan"Well Ok that's a tall order but a Villa fan will not go on inappropriately rubbing up fellow Villains.
If its a tall order to define, then why throw it into the mix, basically he has a diffrent opinion to you.. so what?
For the record, i dont like John Terry, think hes a pretty shitty human being, unfortunately hes now signed for the club i support. I dont like it, but its hardly the end of the world.
In fact, because it's simpler:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/13_07_12_r_v_john_terry.pdf - court report
Page 2, paragraph 3:QuoteThe defendant does not deny that he used the words, fuck off, fuck off,
fucking black c*** or fucking knobhead. His case is that his words were
not uttered by way of abuse or insult nor were they intended to be abusive or
insulting.
Will you now give it a rest, he admitted to saying the words but argued over intent. from a moral standpoint calling someone a "fucking black C**t" is clearly racist but from a legal standpoint it's difficult to prove.
Please bring this up to prove me wrong in May. Please.
It will all end in tears, recriminations and another 100 plus page thread.
Stttttrrrreeeetch!!
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Any news on what he'll be earning?
Please bring this up to prove me wrong in May. Please.
It will all end in tears, recriminations and another 100 plus page thread.
On the plus side: I'd say Terry and Bruce will be long gone in 12 months.
Welcome, FKW.
In fact, because it's simpler:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/13_07_12_r_v_john_terry.pdf - court report
Page 2, paragraph 3:QuoteThe defendant does not deny that he used the words, fuck off, fuck off,
fucking black c*** or fucking knobhead. His case is that his words were
not uttered by way of abuse or insult nor were they intended to be abusive or
insulting.
Will you now give it a rest, he admitted to saying the words but argued over intent. from a moral standpoint calling someone a "fucking black C**t" is clearly racist but from a legal standpoint it's difficult to prove.
It's worth reading the whole thing for context, but it wasn't just that he said the words in question but didn't mean them as an insult. He said them (he said) because he was repeating them back to Anton Ferdinand denying he'd said them - ie "I didn't call you a black c***".
Given the expert evidence, he had little choice but to accept saying it, and provided a defence that fitted the clear fact that he did so (true or not).
The judge was clearly very suspicious, but it seemed Ferdinand wasn't a very impressive witness and it boiled down to: In those circumstances, there being a doubt, the only verdict the court can record is one of not guilty.
In other words, he wasn't convicted because the judge wasn't sure to the criminal standard. Personally I think he got away with it.
I just hope he can handle the transition from a small club to a massive one.
Please bring this up to prove me wrong in May. Please.
It will all end in tears, recriminations and another 100 plus page thread.
On the plus side: I'd say Terry and Bruce will be long gone in 12 months.
Welcome, FKW.
Press conference 1:30pm
The bit I find odd is the comments I've seen here and multiple other places about him coming in and organising the defence. The defence was, generally, solid most of last season. We had plenty of clean sheets in the new year so I don't know what people expect. All of our problems are down to organisation in midfield and training and I just don't see how Terry addresses those issues. He might add a few goals from corners, which will just further my belief that Bruce would be happy winning 1-0 and only committing people forward to set pieces.
Having Terry join may make it easier to attract other players.
Well, the signing has made the 1 pm news headlines. Can't remember the last time we had a signing that did this. Let's see what they have to say...
I just hope he can handle the transition from a small club to a massive one.
The bit I find odd is the comments I've seen here and multiple other places about him coming in and organising the defence. The defence was, generally, solid most of last season. We had plenty of clean sheets in the new year so I don't know what people expect. All of our problems are down to organisation in midfield and training and I just don't see how Terry addresses those issues. He might add a few goals from corners, which will just further my belief that Bruce would be happy winning 1-0 and only committing people forward to set pieces.
The bit I find odd is the comments I've seen here and multiple other places about him coming in and organising the defence. The defence was, generally, solid most of last season. We had plenty of clean sheets in the new year so I don't know what people expect. All of our problems are down to organisation in midfield and training and I just don't see how Terry addresses those issues. He might add a few goals from corners, which will just further my belief that Bruce would be happy winning 1-0 and only committing people forward to set pieces.
Thou I agree the defence was one of the best statistically in the league , there was times when we went ahead and we then turned into headless chickens , we were not good under pressure and how many late goals did we concede.
The bit I find odd is the comments I've seen here and multiple other places about him coming in and organising the defence. The defence was, generally, solid most of last season. We had plenty of clean sheets in the new year so I don't know what people expect. All of our problems are down to organisation in midfield and training and I just don't see how Terry addresses those issues. He might add a few goals from corners, which will just further my belief that Bruce would be happy winning 1-0 and only committing people forward to set pieces.
Thou I agree the defence was one of the best statistically in the league , there was times when we went ahead and we then turned into headless chickens , we were not good under pressure and how many late goals did we concede.
Well, the signing has made the 1 pm news headlines. Can't remember the last time we had a signing that did this. Let's see what they have to say...
David Ginola. 16 year old me went on Midlands Today and said I was looking forward to Ginola linking up with Dublin, Merson and...Nilis!
The bit I find odd is the comments I've seen here and multiple other places about him coming in and organising the defence. The defence was, generally, solid most of last season. We had plenty of clean sheets in the new year so I don't know what people expect. All of our problems are down to organisation in midfield and training and I just don't see how Terry addresses those issues. He might add a few goals from corners, which will just further my belief that Bruce would be happy winning 1-0 and only committing people forward to set pieces.
The 19 goals Kodjia scored and the 9 or 10 Adomah set up last season doesn't really bear your 'only committing people forward to set pieces' theory very well really.
The bit I find odd is the comments I've seen here and multiple other places about him coming in and organising the defence. The defence was, generally, solid most of last season. We had plenty of clean sheets in the new year so I don't know what people expect. All of our problems are down to organisation in midfield and training and I just don't see how Terry addresses those issues. He might add a few goals from corners, which will just further my belief that Bruce would be happy winning 1-0 and only committing people forward to set pieces.
Thou I agree the defence was one of the best statistically in the league , there was times when we went ahead and we then turned into headless chickens , we were not good under pressure and how many late goals did we concede.
The bit I find odd is the comments I've seen here and multiple other places about him coming in and organising the defence. The defence was, generally, solid most of last season. We had plenty of clean sheets in the new year so I don't know what people expect. All of our problems are down to organisation in midfield and training and I just don't see how Terry addresses those issues. He might add a few goals from corners, which will just further my belief that Bruce would be happy winning 1-0 and only committing people forward to set pieces.
The 19 goals Kodjia scored and the 9 or 10 Adomah set up last season doesn't really bear your 'only committing people forward to set pieces' theory very well really.
I think you should read it again, "I think Bruce would be happy" doesn't mean I think that we did that.
Please bring this up to prove me wrong in May. Please.
It will all end in tears, recriminations and another 100 plus page thread.
On the plus side: I'd say Terry and Bruce will be long gone in 12 months.
Welcome, FKW.
How's that a plus side? It will mean we've fucked up again and have an extended stay in the lower leagues in store.
Why does he keep saying 'myself'?
The bit I find odd is the comments I've seen here and multiple other places about him coming in and organising the defence. The defence was, generally, solid most of last season. We had plenty of clean sheets in the new year so I don't know what people expect. All of our problems are down to organisation in midfield and training and I just don't see how Terry addresses those issues. He might add a few goals from corners, which will just further my belief that Bruce would be happy winning 1-0 and only committing people forward to set pieces.
FFS! When you think players we've been linked with in the past... I really hoped John Terry was going to be filed under players that Aston Villa almost signed but didn't. This season is going to be like trying to look at a thing of beauty through a filthy triple glazed window covered in excrement.
Sky reporter asks Harry Redknapp such a stupid question
why do you think John Terry signed for Villa and not Birmingham
FFS
The erm and you know count was surprisingly low.
Very knowledgeable to be fair.
"Winning this league" - we won the league in South London? Not quite the same ring to it.
Thinking about him repeating that aim, winning the league, it has taken me aback a bit to hear a Villa player use those words in that order. Makes me feel this may just be a very good thing.
So he is going to wear number 26. Kodjia will be assigned 59 or something?
The bit I find odd is the comments I've seen here and multiple other places about him coming in and organising the defence. The defence was, generally, solid most of last season. We had plenty of clean sheets in the new year so I don't know what people expect. All of our problems are down to organisation in midfield and training and I just don't see how Terry addresses those issues. He might add a few goals from corners, which will just further my belief that Bruce would be happy winning 1-0 and only committing people forward to set pieces.
Thou I agree the defence was one of the best statistically in the league , there was times when we went ahead and we then turned into headless chickens , we were not good under pressure and how many late goals did we concede.
Though we had a good defensive record under Bruce last season, a lot of that was as much to do with having 10 men behind the ball and not committing men forwards as it was to the defenders suddenly becoming good at defending. If we want Bruce to tactically be a tad more expansive then you could be looking at the defence stats being more like those under RDM at the start of the season. I am hoping having a more solid option than Baker alongside the generally excellent Chester will let us be more expansive in midfield without the defence going to shit.
I understand that his father will be selling a variety of half time pick me ups at a kiosk just outside the toilets in the Trinity Road Stand.
The bit I find odd is the comments I've seen here and multiple other places about him coming in and organising the defence. The defence was, generally, solid most of last season. We had plenty of clean sheets in the new year so I don't know what people expect. All of our problems are down to organisation in midfield and training and I just don't see how Terry addresses those issues. He might add a few goals from corners, which will just further my belief that Bruce would be happy winning 1-0 and only committing people forward to set pieces.
Thou I agree the defence was one of the best statistically in the league , there was times when we went ahead and we then turned into headless chickens , we were not good under pressure and how many late goals did we concede.
Though we had a good defensive record under Bruce last season, a lot of that was as much to do with having 10 men behind the ball and not committing men forwards as it was to the defenders suddenly becoming good at defending. If we want Bruce to tactically be a tad more expansive then you could be looking at the defence stats being more like those under RDM at the start of the season. I am hoping having a more solid option than Baker alongside the generally excellent Chester will let us be more expansive in midfield without the defence going to shit.
See this is the bit that I'm not sure about. I agree totally on the fact that we defended well because we defended in numbers, anyone who saw us play can tell you that. The issue is that Bruce has done that pretty much everywhere he's been. There's an argument that he's never had a defender of the standard of Terry so maybe he'll be more willing to trust his defence now but there's no evidence to back that up.
The bit I find odd is the comments I've seen here and multiple other places about him coming in and organising the defence. The defence was, generally, solid most of last season. We had plenty of clean sheets in the new year so I don't know what people expect. All of our problems are down to organisation in midfield and training and I just don't see how Terry addresses those issues. He might add a few goals from corners, which will just further my belief that Bruce would be happy winning 1-0 and only committing people forward to set pieces.
Thou I agree the defence was one of the best statistically in the league , there was times when we went ahead and we then turned into headless chickens , we were not good under pressure and how many late goals did we concede.
Though we had a good defensive record under Bruce last season, a lot of that was as much to do with having 10 men behind the ball and not committing men forwards as it was to the defenders suddenly becoming good at defending. If we want Bruce to tactically be a tad more expansive then you could be looking at the defence stats being more like those under RDM at the start of the season. I am hoping having a more solid option than Baker alongside the generally excellent Chester will let us be more expansive in midfield without the defence going to shit.
See this is the bit that I'm not sure about. I agree totally on the fact that we defended well because we defended in numbers, anyone who saw us play can tell you that. The issue is that Bruce has done that pretty much everywhere he's been. There's an argument that he's never had a defender of the standard of Terry so maybe he'll be more willing to trust his defence now but there's no evidence to back that up.
The problem I foresee though Paul is that we will have to defend deep with Terry in the side, whereas I think we would benefit from keeping a fairly high defensive line and trying to squeeze teams a bit more.
My moral compass broke ages ago. I'm so disillusioned these days, I couldn't be arsed if we signed the reanimated corpse of Augusto Pinochet, provided it meant we were likely to be less shit.
And mainly I feel sorry for Baker, because if he can't start at this level at his age he should look for a new club. Which if he does will leave us in yet another mess come next season
But welcome John. Don't let us down.
My moral compass broke ages ago. I'm so disillusioned these days, I couldn't be arsed if we signed the reanimated corpse of Augusto Pinochet, provided it meant we were likely to be less shit.
Say what you like but he could fill a stadium.
I do feel sorry for Baker as well. However, he is injury prone and has never completed a substantial run of games so between the pair of them we have a solid partner for Chester.
I am not as outraged as I would have been 5 years ago but Villa have become a pathetic team in recent seasons and an embarrassment in a lot of games they have played . JT is one footballer I have hated most of his football career ( maybe I should not say hated , its a harsh word ) but I just want Villa back in the Prem and he is a good footballer even at his age , you dont always need pace when you have a brain and he is a leader , top winning managers have always put his name on their team sheet first and will make a big difference in the team .
Just do it this season JT FFS
It will be interesting to see if we end up "paying" Terry to scout some of our up and coming youngsters (Green, RHM, Davis, Grealish etc.) or any other up and coming youngster in the championship) for chelski. I wouldnt want us to be their feeder club! Bruce has just increased the pressure on himself with this signing. The first 6 games are going to be crucial for him.
I do feel sorry for Baker as well. However, he is injury prone and has never completed a substantial run of games so between the pair of them we have a solid partner for Chester.
I bet he made around 30 appearances last season. Not that bad all things considered, such as Elphick starting the season as well
I honestly felt Chester & Baker complimented each other well. Chester reads the game quite well and Baker was the head in where it hurts foil for him. Plus he's left footed which means we had a natural balance at the back as well
Baker has played something like 72 league games in the last 2 years. Chuck in a few games missed for suspensions during that time and him being behind Elphick for the first couple of months of last season and he hasn't missed that many through injury.
Baker has played something like 72 league games in the last 2 years. Chuck in a few games missed for suspensions during that time and him being behind Elphick for the first couple of months of last season and he hasn't missed that many through injury.
Will Baker miss the first 3 games anyway, given his sending off against Brighton?
Hallelujah we have a centre half who can actually pass a ball properly! There is a chance we might even try and pass it from the back and retain a bit of possession rather than hoof and chase...going through be weird to watch
I do feel sorry for Baker as well. However, he is injury prone and has never completed a substantial run of games so between the pair of them we have a solid partner for Chester.
I bet he made around 30 appearances last season. Not that bad all things considered, such as Elphick starting the season as well
I honestly felt Chester & Baker complimented each other well. Chester reads the game quite well and Baker was the head in where it hurts foil for him. Plus he's left footed which means we had a natural balance at the back as well
At least he'he's a player with a winning mentality
At least he'he's a player with a winning mentality
At least he'he's a player with a winning mentality
So was Lescott and Richards when Sherwood signed them
At least he'he's a player with a winning mentality
So was Lescott and Richards when Sherwood signed them
Neither were servants of 18 + years at one club or captains
He his here, let's not dwell, deal with it.
At least he'he's a player with a winning mentality
And mainly I feel sorry for Baker, because if he can't start at this level at his age he should look for a new club. Which if he does will leave us in yet another mess come next season
But welcome John. Don't let us down.
I do feel sorry for Baker as well. However, he is injury prone and has never completed a substantial run of games so between the pair of them we have a solid partner for Chester.
He might be a massive racist, but he's our massive racist now.
At least he'he's a player with a winning mentality
So was Lescott and Richards when Sherwood signed them
*Sigh*
You're here now. Please don't be shit.
I love AVFC without any reservations. However, because I love Villa does not mean that I have to like every person who works for the club, or every player that plays for the club.
Moving on, from what I have seen and heard of JT today I thought he handled the media very well and did not come across as being "thick", which I did not expect.
Finally and completely irrelevant I have only ever met 2 Villa players as far as I can recall, and one was our family GP when I was a child growing up in Aldridge.
He might be a massive racist, but he's our massive racist now.
So that's alright then ? :(
He might be a massive racist, but he's our massive racist now.
So that's alright then ? :(
It was only a joke.
I think it was pretty clear by Paulie's posting record that he was taking the piss.I obviously missed the joke .... I mean no ill feeling to Paulie, its just that racism is one thing I am really passionate about, having witnessed it first hand growing up in Brum and more recently when visiting Memphis and Muscle Shoals
I love AVFC without any reservations. However, because I love Villa does not mean that I have to like every person who works for the club, or every player that plays for the club.
Moving on, from what I have seen and heard of JT today I thought he handled the media very well and did not come across as being "thick", which I did not expect.
Finally and completely irrelevant I have only ever met 2 Villa players as far as I can recall, and one was our family GP when I was a child growing up in Aldridge.
There is little doubt that it will boost the morale of the extreme right wing of our supporter base, which is larger than most posters on this site think.
There is little doubt that it will boost the morale of the extreme right wing of our supporter base, which is larger than most posters on this site think.
We've all daubed racist slogans around Aston Expressway. Man up.
JT is just the man to drag this club kicking and screaming into the 19th century. And if the Corbynista peaceniks don't like it, they can jolly well go and live in Russia.
Welcome to Aston Villa.
Don't be a c***.
I think it was pretty clear by Paulie's posting record that he was taking the piss.I obviously missed the joke .... I mean no ill feeling to Paulie, its just that racism is one thing I am really passionate about, having witnessed it first hand growing up in Brum and more recently when visiting Memphis and Muscle Shoals
Lets hope Mr Terry can win over the majority of our fans on and off the pitch .......I will get off my moral high horse now ! - Cheers Paulie - no hard feelings eh? UTV
I'd imagine Kodjia will just get number 10, as Ayew has left.That would be good.
Yes and don't take the piss.*Sigh*
You're here now. Please don't be shit.
This ^^^^^
He might be a massive racist, but he's our massive racist now.
So that's alright then ? :(
It was only a joke.
yeh right ...racism is hilarious
There is little doubt that it will boost the morale of the extreme right wing of our supporter base, which is larger than most posters on this site think.
We've all daubed racist slogans around Aston Expressway. Man up.
JT is just the man to drag this club kicking and screaming into the 19th century. And if the Corbynista peaceniks don't like it, they can jolly well go and live in Russia.
He might be a massive racist, but he's our massive racist now.
So that's alright then ? :(
It was only a joke.
yeh right ...racism is hilarious
I hear you're a racist now Villa.
He might be a massive racist, but he's our massive racist now.
So that's alright then ? :(
It was only a joke.
yeh right ...racism is hilarious
I hear you're a racist now Villa.
He might be a massive racist, but he's our massive racist now.
So that's alright then ? :(
It was only a joke.
yeh right ...racism is hilarious
I hear you're a racist now Villa.
Those greeks coming over here stealing our women!
He might be a massive racist, but he's our massive racist now.
So that's alright then ? :(
It was only a joke.
yeh right ...racism is hilarious
I hear you're a racist now Villa.
I have been going to Villa Park for over 30 years and can honestly only ever recall being in earshot of two racist incidents involving our fans. The first was when one of our own supporters shouted "come on you black bastard" at Dion Dublin and the other was when.someone went into a rant at Swansea fans and included "f*cking pakis and blacks " in it for some reason. Both times they were individuals who came out with it and both times our own fans around them confronted them about it. The latter situation turned a bit nasty and the club got involved after some complaints.
So to suggest there is a large extreme right wing element is a little wide if the mark in my experience.
Can't stop laughing at that. Perhaps the accent wasn't very good.He might be a massive racist, but he's our massive racist now.
So that's alright then ? :(
It was only a joke.
yeh right ...racism is hilarious
I hear you're a racist now Villa.
I have been going to Villa Park for over 30 years and can honestly only ever recall being in earshot of two racist incidents involving our fans. The first was when one of our own supporters shouted "come on you black bastard" at Dion Dublin and the other was when.someone went into a rant at Swansea fans and included "f*cking pakis and blacks " in it for some reason. Both times they were individuals who came out with it and both times our own fans around them confronted them about it. The latter situation turned a bit nasty and the club got involved after some complaints.
So to suggest there is a large extreme right wing element is a little wide if the mark in my experience.
So the Father Ted reference went straight over your head.
He might be a massive racist, but he's our massive racist now.
So that's alright then ? :(
It was only a joke.
yeh right ...racism is hilarious
I hear you're a racist now Villa.
I have been going to Villa Park for over 30 years and can honestly only ever recall being in earshot of two racist incidents involving our fans. The first was when one of our own supporters shouted "come on you black bastard" at Dion Dublin and the other was when.someone went into a rant at Swansea fans and included "f*cking pakis and blacks " in it for some reason. Both times they were individuals who came out with it and both times our own fans around them confronted them about it. The latter situation turned a bit nasty and the club got involved after some complaints.
So to suggest there is a large extreme right wing element is a little wide if the mark in my experience.
*Sigh*
You're here now. Please don't be shit.
He might be a massive racist, but he's our massive racist now.
So that's alright then ? :(
It was only a joke.
yeh right ...racism is hilarious
I hear you're a racist now Villa.
I have been going to Villa Park for over 30 years and can honestly only ever recall being in earshot of two racist incidents involving our fans. The first was when one of our own supporters shouted "come on you black bastard" at Dion Dublin and the other was when.someone went into a rant at Swansea fans and included "f*cking pakis and blacks " in it for some reason. Both times they were individuals who came out with it and both times our own fans around them confronted them about it. The latter situation turned a bit nasty and the club got involved after some complaints.
So to suggest there is a large extreme right wing element is a little wide if the mark in my experience.
So the Father Ted reference went straight over your head.
He might be a massive racist, but he's our massive racist now.
So that's alright then ? :(
It was only a joke.
yeh right ...racism is hilarious
I hear you're a racist now Villa.
I have been going to Villa Park for over 30 years and can honestly only ever recall being in earshot of two racist incidents involving our fans. The first was when one of our own supporters shouted "come on you black bastard" at Dion Dublin and the other was when.someone went into a rant at Swansea fans and included "f*cking pakis and blacks " in it for some reason. Both times they were individuals who came out with it and both times our own fans around them confronted them about it. The latter situation turned a bit nasty and the club got involved after some complaints.
So to suggest there is a large extreme right wing element is a little wide if the mark in my experience.
I don't know how old you are Tom but, I can assure you that in my time at the Villa racism was at times particularly nasty. A couple of examples:
'N****r,N****r, lick my boots'.
'We believe in de Villa, whoa yea'. Sung whilst raising the arms and shaking the hands a la minstrel style.
As for the bananas, well we won't bother going there.
No one around in those days to put a stop to it. For someone like me and to be fair, many other people, it was disgusting, shameful and just so unnecessary.
I didn't want John Terry at the club and it's a waste of energy banging on about it but, if Terry gives credence to even thinking like that even though it was in the past, it leaves a sour taste in my mouth.
He might be a massive racist, but he's our massive racist now.
So that's alright then ? :(
It was only a joke.
yeh right ...racism is hilarious
I hear you're a racist now Villa.
I have been going to Villa Park for over 30 years and can honestly only ever recall being in earshot of two racist incidents involving our fans. The first was when one of our own supporters shouted "come on you black bastard" at Dion Dublin and the other was when.someone went into a rant at Swansea fans and included "f*cking pakis and blacks " in it for some reason. Both times they were individuals who came out with it and both times our own fans around them confronted them about it. The latter situation turned a bit nasty and the club got involved after some complaints.
So to suggest there is a large extreme right wing element is a little wide if the mark in my experience.
I don't know how old you are Tom but, I can assure you that in my time at the Villa racism was at times particularly nasty. A couple of examples:
'N****r,N****r, lick my boots'.
'We believe in de Villa, whoa yea'. Sung whilst raising the arms and shaking the hands a la minstrel style.
As for the bananas, well we won't bother going there.
No one around in those days to put a stop to it. For someone like me and to be fair, many other people, it was disgusting, shameful and just so unnecessary.
I didn't want John Terry at the club and it's a waste of energy banging on about it but, if Terry gives credence to even thinking like that even though it was in the past, it leaves a sour taste in my mouth.
I didn't want John Terry at the club and it's a waste of energy banging on about it but, if Terry gives credence to even thinking like that even though it was in the past, it leaves a sour taste in my mouth.
I love AVFC without any reservations. However, because I love Villa does not mean that I have to like every person who works for the club, or every player that plays for the club.
Moving on, from what I have seen and heard of JT today I thought he handled the media very well and did not come across as being "thick", which I did not expect.
Finally and completely irrelevant I have only ever met 2 Villa players as far as I can recall, and one was our family GP when I was a child growing up in Aldridge.
Your final comment intrigues me. We had a player who became a GP?
Can the moderators put some sort of filter on to prevent him being referred to as 'JT' please? I keep dry retching at the sight of it.You need to get over this Chris. And if he plays a significant part in a promotion season I'm pretty sure you will.
Can the moderators put some sort of filter on to prevent him being referred to as 'JT' please? I keep dry retching at the sight of it.You need to get over this Chris. And if he plays a significant part in a promotion season I'm pretty sure you will.
I agree. I think we should change his name entirely to something inoffensive like Russell Stevens or Gerald Appleyard. Reinvent him completely.
Can the moderators put some sort of filter on to prevent him being referred to as 'JT' please? I keep dry retching at the sight of it.
I agree. I think we should change his name entirely to something inoffensive like Russell Stevens or Gerald Appleyard. Reinvent him completely.
Andrew Greaves?
I agree. I think we should change his name entirely to something inoffensive like Russell Stevens or Gerald Appleyard. Reinvent him completely.
I agree. I think we should change his name entirely to something inoffensive like Russell Stevens or Gerald Appleyard. Reinvent him completely.
Juan Tela.
Apparently he wants to manage us one day, as you can't have Chelsea as your first club, and he wants to make his mistakes elsewhere.
I love AVFC without any reservations. However, because I love Villa does not mean that I have to like every person who works for the club, or every player that plays for the club.
Moving on, from what I have seen and heard of JT today I thought he handled the media very well and did not come across as being "thick", which I did not expect.
Finally and completely irrelevant I have only ever met 2 Villa players as far as I can recall, and one was our family GP when I was a child growing up in Aldridge.
Your final comment intrigues me. We had a player who became a GP?
Sorry reply delayed by overnight sleep, but yes way back in time Villa had a GP player. He was Dr Victor Milne, a Scot, played centre half and was in the 1924 FA Cup Final team. Last amateur to play for the Villa I believe. When I was a boy I had an infected knee which became swollen and he did a house call to lance it and clean out the infection. So to this day I have a scar inflicted by a Villa player! On one of his house calls dad got him to autograph a copy of the Peter Morris history book - the original edition I think. Still got it. He later became club doctor and his surgery in Portland Road, Aldridge had photographs of Villa teams of his era dotted about the walls of the Waiting Room. Probably only got into the team because Tommy Ball, who was expected to be one of the greats, got into an argument an off duty policeman neighbour and was shot an killed by said copper. Ball had succeeded the somewhat notorious Frank Barson at centre half.
The other player I came across was John Robson who was a member of the same MS Society branch as my wife.
The pundits, media and neutrals all seem to think we have played a blinder with this move.
The pundits, media and neutrals all seem to think we have played a blinder with this move.
Add into that a series of ex players for and not from Villa - all seem to think it is a master stroke.
My concern has been all the way through this is that its a good but lazy option from Bruce - relying on a player to sort the others out rather than coaching / drilling method into them.
I wonder how much RDM may have influenced him about the club?
I think he may have a shock as a lot of players in the EPL will see a real "big name" and may want to put their mark on him
The pundits, media and neutrals all seem to think we have played a blinder with this move.
I didn't want John Terry at the club and it's a waste of energy banging on about it but, if Terry gives credence to even thinking like that even though it was in the past, it leaves a sour taste in my mouth.
Honestly, and I mean this sincerely to hopefully put your mind at ease. I dont think John Terry gives any kind of credence to that kind of thinking. I really dont. Happily (look no further than here) even the notion of racism is called out loudly by fellow fans.
I know the world seems a bit crap at the moment but I do think that (in British football at least) racism is far far less tolerated than years ago and is met with anger or bafflement when seen. Progress has been made and I dont think its going anywhere.
I also happen to think that no matter what was in his heart years ago John Terry got the message loud and clear during his case.
I hope that helps because I would hate to think you or any respected fellow fan couldn't enjoy watching Villa play next season because of John Terry for whatever reason. It wont embolden racists because the we and you wont let that happen.
Can the moderators put some sort of filter on to prevent him being referred to as 'JT' please? I keep dry retching at the sight of it.
I would like to sign something to confirm my support for this proposal.
He might be a massive racist, but he's our massive racist now.
So that's alright then ? :(
It was only a joke.
yeh right ...racism is hilarious
I hear you're a racist now Villa.
I have been going to Villa Park for over 30 years and can honestly only ever recall being in earshot of two racist incidents involving our fans. The first was when one of our own supporters shouted "come on you black bastard" at Dion Dublin and the other was when.someone went into a rant at Swansea fans and included "f*cking pakis and blacks " in it for some reason. Both times they were individuals who came out with it and both times our own fans around them confronted them about it. The latter situation turned a bit nasty and the club got involved after some complaints.
So to suggest there is a large extreme right wing element is a little wide if the mark in my experience.
Can the moderators put some sort of filter on to prevent him being referred to as 'JT' please? I keep dry retching at the sight of it.
I would like to sign something to confirm my support for this proposal.
Thirded.
Providing we call him Don Tutti Belafonte, or something equally befitting his stature.
I love AVFC without any reservations. However, because I love Villa does not mean that I have to like every person who works for the club, or every player that plays for the club.
Moving on, from what I have seen and heard of JT today I thought he handled the media very well and did not come across as being "thick", which I did not expect.
Finally and completely irrelevant I have only ever met 2 Villa players as far as I can recall, and one was our family GP when I was a child growing up in Aldridge.
Your final comment intrigues me. We had a player who became a GP?
Sorry reply delayed by overnight sleep, but yes way back in time Villa had a GP player. He was Dr Victor Milne, a Scot, played centre half and was in the 1924 FA Cup Final team. Last amateur to play for the Villa I believe. When I was a boy I had an infected knee which became swollen and he did a house call to lance it and clean out the infection. So to this day I have a scar inflicted by a Villa player! On one of his house calls dad got him to autograph a copy of the Peter Morris history book - the original edition I think. Still got it. He later became club doctor and his surgery in Portland Road, Aldridge had photographs of Villa teams of his era dotted about the walls of the Waiting Room. Probably only got into the team because Tommy Ball, who was expected to be one of the greats, got into an argument an off duty policeman neighbour and was shot an killed by said copper. Ball had succeeded the somewhat notorious Frank Barson at centre half.
The other player I came across was John Robson who was a member of the same MS Society branch as my wife.
I can't stand the bloke for all the reasons already stated. But additionally, we're paying a lot of money per week on wages for a player who clearly won't be able to appear in a substantial amount of games.
I can't stand the bloke for all the reasons already stated. But additionally, we're paying a lot of money per week on wages for a player who clearly won't be able to appear in a substantial amount of games.
He might be a massive racist, but he's our massive racist now.
So that's alright then ? :(
It was only a joke.
yeh right ...racism is hilarious
I hear you're a racist now Villa.
I have been going to Villa Park for over 30 years and can honestly only ever recall being in earshot of two racist incidents involving our fans. The first was when one of our own supporters shouted "come on you black bastard" at Dion Dublin and the other was when.someone went into a rant at Swansea fans and included "f*cking pakis and blacks " in it for some reason. Both times they were individuals who came out with it and both times our own fans around them confronted them about it. The latter situation turned a bit nasty and the club got involved after some complaints.
So to suggest there is a large extreme right wing element is a little wide if the mark in my experience.
I don't know how old you are Tom but, I can assure you that in my time at the Villa racism was at times particularly nasty. A couple of examples:
'N****r,N****r, lick my boots'.
'We believe in de Villa, whoa yea'. Sung whilst raising the arms and shaking the hands a la minstrel style.
As for the bananas, well we won't bother going there.
No one around in those days to put a stop to it. For someone like me and to be fair, many other people, it was disgusting, shameful and just so unnecessary.
I didn't want John Terry at the club and it's a waste of energy banging on about it but, if Terry gives credence to even thinking like that even though it was in the past, it leaves a sour taste in my mouth.
See my earlier post about the 10,00 villa fans at west brom when Regis Batson and Cunningham got pelted wth bananas and everyone in hysterics but none will own up being there and laughng
Incidentially, there's a new film out about the tragic life of Justin Fashanu, documentary in the main - though it would make a worthwhile full biopic.
No I didn't throw bananas which happened to be a mob down by the corner flag I'm not a racist or a bigot
But did you get the Ron Atkinson book for Xmas ??
Did anyone on here ever laugh at the Alf garnett sitcom ???
No I didn't throw bananas which happened to be a mob down by the corner flag I'm not a racist or a bigot
But did you get the Ron Atkinson book for Xmas ??
Did anyoneon hereever laugh at the Alf garnett sitcom ???
Paul_e
Thanks for fixing the last line
PWS
Sorry if this got a bit heated but I am sick and tired of the stick jt is getting on here, I am proud he chose the club I Love over the stripey shite, Stoke Bournemouth and scum etc and be honest who else would you want in your box when your 1-0 up and need a win for automatic promotion and your getting bombarded.
Also be honest guys Wayne bridges ex missus you would of wouldn't you
Paul_e
Thanks for fixing the last line
PWS
Sorry if this got a bit heated but I am sick and tired of the stick jt is getting on here, I am proud he chose the club I Love over the stripey shite, Stoke Bournemouth and scum etc and be honest who else would you want in your box when your 1-0 up and need a win for automatic promotion and your getting bombarded.
Also be honest guys Wayne bridges ex missus you would of wouldn't you
I'm sure he is big and ugly enough to cope with any stick he might be getting on an internet messageboard.
I'm sure he is big and ugly enough to cope with any stick he might be getting on an internet messageboard.
I dunno. In his interview yesterday he referenced the shit we've given him when he's been to Villa Park in the past more times than I cared to count so he's either a bit delicate on that front or holds a grudge!
Aye. He probably thinks Villa Park is a real bear pit, going by the atmosphere whenever we played that lot.
Also be honest guys Wayne bridges ex missus you would of wouldn't you
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Admit it Phil, that's your forehead isn't it?!
Paul_e
Thanks for fixing the last line
PWS
Sorry if this got a bit heated but I am sick and tired of the stick jt is getting on here, I am proud he chose the club I Love over the stripey shite, Stoke Bournemouth and scum etc and be honest who else would you want in your box when your 1-0 up and need a win for automatic promotion and your getting bombarded.
Also be honest guys Wayne bridges ex missus you would of wouldn't you
Paul_e
Thanks for fixing the last line
PWS
Sorry if this got a bit heated but I am sick and tired of the stick jt is getting on here, I am proud he chose the club I Love over the stripey shite, Stoke Bournemouth and scum etc and be honest who else would you want in your box when your 1-0 up and need a win for automatic promotion and your getting bombarded.
Also be honest guys Wayne bridges ex missus you would of wouldn't you
How about we get players that will help us score more instead of a 36 year old defender so we aren't hanging on 1:0 at the end of the match
I went to Leicester away in about 1995 and a very large proportion of the away fans were singing "you're the pride of Pakistan"
Not as bad as throwing bananas but pretty shameful
I would add however, we were far less worse than most supporters, I heard horrendous stuff at a lot of grounds.I went to Leicester away in about 1995 and a very large proportion of the away fans were singing "you're the pride of Pakistan"
Not as bad as throwing bananas but pretty shameful
Exactly
Anyone who says they've only seen a couple of incidents of racism amongst our fans in *30 years* clearly didn't go to many matches in the early part of that period.
Cheltenhamlion
Christ on a bike ?
Only if it's a tandem with the prophet Mohammed on the back
I hope nobody mentions Love Thy Neighbour, whoops. So glad we've moved on from that. But some of it was quite funny.Cheltenhamlion
Christ on a bike ?
Only if it's a tandem with the prophet Mohammed on the back
What the fuck?!
Also, you do know that Alf Garnett was a parody, right? It's ok to laugh along because the character is an idiot. Just like it's ok to laugh at the gigantic wanker, John George Terry.
Cheltenhamlion
Christ on a bike ?
Only if it's a tandem with the prophet Mohammed on the back
What the fuck?!
Also, you do know that Alf Garnett was a parody, right? It's ok to laugh along because the character is an idiot. Just like it's ok to laugh at the gigantic wanker, John George Terry.
Cheltenhamlion
Christ on a bike ?
Only if it's a tandem with the prophet Mohammed on the back
What the fuck?!
Also, you do know that Alf Garnett was a parody, right? It's ok to laugh along because the character is an idiot. Just like it's ok to laugh at the gigantic wanker, John George Terry.
I think it is only fair for Christ and Monammed to take turns when it comes to who is at the front and who is at the back. Maybe a little fat Buddha could sit in a basket on the front. Although 'Doubting Thomas' would probably question the safety of that idea.
I would add however, we were far less worse than most supporters, I heard horrendous stuff at a lot of grounds.I went to Leicester away in about 1995 and a very large proportion of the away fans were singing "you're the pride of Pakistan"
Not as bad as throwing bananas but pretty shameful
Exactly
Anyone who says they've only seen a couple of incidents of racism amongst our fans in *30 years* clearly didn't go to many matches in the early part of that period.
Is there really nothing we can do about that 'JT' thing?
Is there really nothing we can do about that 'JT' thing?
How's about we call it a "thang" instead? Then it'd be well kewl.
I would add however, we were far less worse than most supporters, I heard horrendous stuff at a lot of grounds.I went to Leicester away in about 1995 and a very large proportion of the away fans were singing "you're the pride of Pakistan"
Not as bad as throwing bananas but pretty shameful
Exactly
Anyone who says they've only seen a couple of incidents of racism amongst our fans in *30 years* clearly didn't go to many matches in the early part of that period.
I have been going down since the late 60s
Is there really nothing we can do about that 'JT' thing?
How's about we call it a "thang" instead? Then it'd be well kewl.
I think we need more muscle than that.
Is there really nothing we can do about that 'JT' thing?
How's about we call it a "thang" instead? Then it'd be well kewl.
I think we need more muscle than that.
"JT? What's it got to do with Jimmy Tarbuck?"
That's my muscular suggestion. (If I can be arsed) I'm going to respond to every post that refers to 'JT' with a deliberate misunderstanding, in the hope that it gets so bloody annoying people will call him by his full name to stop me doing it.
"JT? What's it got to do with Jake Thackeray?"
Is there really nothing we can do about that 'JT' thing?
How's about we call it a "thang" instead? Then it'd be well kewl.
I think we need more muscle than that.
Is there really nothing we can do about that 'JT' thing?
How's about we call it a "thang" instead? Then it'd be well kewl.
I think we need more muscle than that.
"JT? What's it got to do with Jimmy Tarbuck?"
That's my muscular suggestion. (If I can be arsed) I'm going to respond to every post that refers to 'JT' with a deliberate misunderstanding, in the hope that it gets so bloody annoying people will call him by his full name to stop me doing it.
"JT? What's it got to do with Jake Thackeray?"
MON was a big fan of Jethro Tull.
JT 26 shouldn't be anywhere penalties if we end up in that scenario.
I went to Leicester away in about 1995 and a very large proportion of the away fans were singing "you're the pride of Pakistan"
Not as bad as throwing bananas but pretty shameful
Exactly
Anyone who says they've only seen a couple of incidents of racism amongst our fans in *30 years* clearly didn't go to many matches in the early part of that period.
Is there really nothing we can do about that 'JT' thing?
How's about we call it a "thang" instead? Then it'd be well kewl.
I think we need more muscle than that.
No point in asking you, then. Don't you own a beard? Not a hands dirty, wheel-changing beard, but one of them modern, cupcake eating beards?
And I swear, you mention feckin radiators.....
Does anyone think, that now that John Terry has the 26 shirt, Jonathon K might be getting a move
The great thing about Alf Garnett was how it moved with the times. Till Death Do Us Part in the sixties and seventies was just racist. By the eighties and nineties In Sickness And In Health had combined racism and homophobia by including a gay black carer for Alf's Mrs. That is progress my friends.I recommend anyone interested in this comment just go on YouTube and make your own mind up as to whether TDDUP was or wasn't racist. My own view is that by airing obvious differences and teasing Alf Garnett's prejudices, it helped rather than hindered inter racial relations.
That's England's Brave Jessica Tandy, to you.
Finally, I've seen a couple of things I like in this thread.
Sorry, I got distracted. What were we talking about?
The great thing about Alf Garnett was how it moved with the times. Till Death Do Us Part in the sixties and seventies was just racist. By the eighties and nineties In Sickness And In Health had combined racism and homophobia by including a gay black carer for Alf's Mrs. That is progress my friends.
John Terry aka JT, just gets more and more popular with every Alias associated.
His agent and marketing manager must be pissing themselves.?
That's England's Brave Jessica Tandy, to you.
EBJT85RIP
I think that's fair. Unfortunately, the writers overestimated the intelligence of a large proportion of their audience.
For all those that nodded knowingly at the racist terminology, having understood that it was an attempt at the mockery of such prejudice, there were probably at least as many people who laughed at Garnett's bigoted outbursts because they agreed with them.
I think that's fair. Unfortunately, the writers overestimated the intelligence of a large proportion of their audience.Thank you for saving my fingers...well one finger :)
For all those that nodded knowingly at the racist terminology, having understood that it was an attempt at the mockery of such prejudice, there were probably at least as many people who laughed at Garnett's bigoted outbursts because they agreed with them.
I'm chuffed we've signed Jennifer Tilly, we finally have a couple of big ones up front.
(http://i.imgur.com/NwrTv1v.jpg)
I'm chuffed we've signed Jennifer Tilly, we finally have a couple of big ones up front.
(http://i.imgur.com/NwrTv1v.jpg)
Only because we've moved on a page and nobody has mentioned how heavy we are up-front.
Whilst eavesdropping on a conversation at my chippy in Manchester, I overheard two chaps talking about John Terry. One said that he had heard that Terry had signed for some club that play in claret and blue. The other said Burnley! Hopefully the signing of Terry will help raise our profile.
Whilst eavesdropping on a conversation at my chippy in Manchester, I overheard two chaps talking about John Terry. One said that he had heard that Terry had signed for some club that play in claret and blue. The other said Burnley! Hopefully the signing of Terry will help raise our profile.
Our profile is fine. We can't be held responsible if the Mancs in your local chippy are a bit thick!
Some days I have empathy with Douglas in Falling DownI think that's fair. Unfortunately, the writers overestimated the intelligence of a large proportion of their audience.
For all those that nodded knowingly at the racist terminology, having understood that it was an attempt at the mockery of such prejudice, there were probably at least as many people who laughed at Garnett's bigoted outbursts because they agreed with them.
Yep - a bit similar to the veneration of Michael Douglas' character in Wall Street
Is Steve Bloomfield on H&V ?
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jul/05/aston-villa-fan-boycott-john-terry-racist-past
Some days I have empathy with Douglas in Falling DownI think that's fair. Unfortunately, the writers overestimated the intelligence of a large proportion of their audience.
For all those that nodded knowingly at the racist terminology, having understood that it was an attempt at the mockery of such prejudice, there were probably at least as many people who laughed at Garnett's bigoted outbursts because they agreed with them.
Yep - a bit similar to the veneration of Michael Douglas' character in Wall Street
I'm chuffed we've signed Jennifer Tilly, we finally have a couple of big ones up front.
(http://i.imgur.com/NwrTv1v.jpg)
Only because we've moved on a page and nobody has mentioned how heavy we are up-front.
I like the caption that says 'Tilly All In'. Although it also says 34%. God knows whatg it looks like when she goes 100% all in.
Is Steve Bloomfield on H&V ?
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jul/05/aston-villa-fan-boycott-john-terry-racist-past
Sorry but that is utter drivel! Where was Steve when our young Jack was behaving like a twat, commiting offences that would have got him sacked in any real job. And what about the fact Villa, like most clubs back in the 60s and 70s, were institutionally rascist - was it ok then, just not now? Signing JT does not make Villa, Bruce, Wyness, Xia, or our fans rascist - but perhaps if he is on H&V, he can explain his boundaries for what is acceptable and what is not acceptable from any Villa employee to cause one to boycott the entire club?
Silly nonsense.
Is Steve Bloomfield on H&V ?
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jul/05/aston-villa-fan-boycott-john-terry-racist-past
Sorry but that is utter drivel! Where was Steve when our young Jack was behaving like a twat, commiting offences that would have got him sacked in any real job. And what about the fact Villa, like most clubs back in the 60s and 70s, were institutionally rascist - was it ok then, just not now? Signing JT does not make Villa, Bruce, Wyness, Xia, or our fans rascist - but perhaps if he is on H&V, he can explain his boundaries for what is acceptable and what is not acceptable from any Villa employee to cause one to boycott the entire club?
Silly nonsense.
Whilst eavesdropping on a conversation at my chippy in Manchester, I overheard two chaps talking about John Terry. One said that he had heard that Terry had signed for some club that play in claret and blue. The other said Burnley! Hopefully the signing of Terry will help raise our profile.
Our profile is fine. We can't be held responsible if the Mancs in your local chippy are a bit thick!
Is Steve Bloomfield on H&V ?
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jul/05/aston-villa-fan-boycott-john-terry-racist-past
Is Steve Bloomfield on H&V ?
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jul/05/aston-villa-fan-boycott-john-terry-racist-past
Could be wrong but sure I saw his name under some of the articles in the fanzine years back.
I would say Terry is quite bright if he has managed to get a contract worth £3 Million a year from us for playing possibly about a dozen games.
People can withdraw their support for whatever reason they want. In the same way as people can turn up in full John Terry Chelsea kit and mask etc if they want to.
It doesn't mean boycotting the club stops them supporting Villa, it means they don't feel comfortable putting money into the club while Terry is employed by the club, or for any other reason they feel is appropriate for them. Seems weird to me that some folks just can't respect that things like that are right for some people.
People can withdraw their support for whatever reason they want. In the same way as people can turn up in full John Terry Chelsea kit and mask etc if they want to.
It doesn't mean boycotting the club stops them supporting Villa, it means they don't feel comfortable putting money into the club while Terry is employed by the club, or for any other reason they feel is appropriate for them. Seems weird to me that some folks just can't respect that things like that are right for some people.
They can, my issue is with the way he did it - he went public (unlike most of us who trade opinions but then see the broader picture) and therefore deserves the reaction (good and bad) he's getting. You cant have it one way when you want it, and the not the other when you don't.
People can withdraw their support for whatever reason they want. In the same way as people can turn up in full John Terry Chelsea kit and mask etc if they want to.
It doesn't mean boycotting the club stops them supporting Villa, it means they don't feel comfortable putting money into the club while Terry is employed by the club, or for any other reason they feel is appropriate for them. Seems weird to me that some folks just can't respect that things like that are right for some people.
So you have an issue because he publicly stated he wasn't going, not because he isn't going?
So you have an issue because he publicly stated he wasn't going, not because he isn't going?
I thought I was clear the first time, but happy to try again. He can do whatever he wants, as we all can. But I reacted because he put it in the public domain - so he fully deserves the roasting many are giving him.
Perhaps we should all start writing to the newspapers expressing every opinion we think matters about our Club.
So you have an issue because he publicly stated he wasn't going, not because he isn't going?
I thought I was clear the first time, but happy to try again. He can do whatever he wants, as we all can. But I reacted because he put it in the public domain - so he fully deserves the roasting many are giving him.
Perhaps we should all start writing to the newspapers expressing every opinion we think matters about our Club.
So you have an issue because he publicly stated he wasn't going, not because he isn't going?
I thought I was clear the first time, but happy to try again. He can do whatever he wants, as we all can. But I reacted because he put it in the public domain - so he fully deserves the roasting many are giving him.
Perhaps we should all start writing to the newspapers expressing every opinion we think matters about our Club.
Why does he deserve a roasting? He's not comfortable with this issue, and his reservations are legitimate and shared by many; why can't people respect that?
Is Steve Bloomfield on H&V ?
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jul/05/aston-villa-fan-boycott-john-terry-racist-past
Is Steve Bloomfield on H&V ?
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jul/05/aston-villa-fan-boycott-john-terry-racist-past
I don't get the chance to say this often enough but I was the match mascot for the Liverpool game he mentions. 10th September 1988. For a fee, Colinmac will pm you the back of the programme!
As you were.
AVFC are no longer a serious football club having signed this arsehole. After over fifty years of supporting the Villa I now feel like giving up.We've not been a serious football club for a while.
Fitting song choice ;)
AVFC are no longer a serious football club having signed this arsehole. After over fifty years of supporting the Villa I now feel like giving up.We've not been a serious football club for a while.
Perhaps we should all start writing to the newspapers expressing every opinion we think matters about our Club.
The entire business of football is wrapped up in hypocrisy.
Some people will opt not to support a team with John Terry in it, some people will put up with it, some people will give lip service to protesting it.
The vast majority of us will just carry on as normal, because that's how football works.
I hate paying for shirking fuckwits picking up 50k a week whilst nurses earn much less than that a year.
I can't stand the forelock tugging to credit card billionaires or wealthy products of a restrictive undemocratic state like China, and I don't like having anything to do with the bombastic bullshit machine which is the premier league.
I loathe the reduction of football from being about winning things to being about finishing top four because that's where the television money is.
I hate all that shit, but I put up with, and the reason i do is because the whole sport is awash with fucking hypocrisy, and I am just as bad as the next man.
I like to think my club is not all about trophy hunting and silverware
AVFC are no longer a serious football club having signed this arsehole. After over fifty years of supporting the Villa I now feel like giving up.We've not been a serious football club for a while.
As for the "I'm not supporting Villa any more" lot, they remind me of the "I'm leaving Twitter/H&V" dolts. Really, you can just go. You don't need to announce it and flounce off to the sound of trumpets in a puff of smoke. The truth is nobody will miss you, whatever your reasons are for bailing.
AVFC are no longer a serious football club having signed this arsehole. After over fifty years of supporting the Villa I now feel like giving up.
AVFC are no longer a serious football club having signed this arsehole. After over fifty years of supporting the Villa I now feel like giving up.
Wot Dave said.AVFC are no longer a serious football club having signed this arsehole. After over fifty years of supporting the Villa I now feel like giving up.
This is what I don't understand. I know that I said everyone's line in the sand is different, but in the past fifty years football-wise we've been relegated three times and almost gone down on numerous other occasions. We've suffered record defeats and worst-ever humiliations. We've had a string of deadbeats and piss takers on the books. When it comes to morality we've had a woman-beater, numerous drink-drivers, drug addicts and assorted hell-raisers. We had a chairman who pissed on the memory of the man who gave us our greatest achievement and our last two owners have made their fortunes in less than ethically-pure circumstances. We've taken money from gambling firms, sweatshop owners and trophy hunters.
And somehow, signing one of the biggest names in English football, the biggest name this league has had since it adopted its current ridiculous and commerce-orientated name, means we can't be taken seriously anymore?
AVFC are no longer a serious football club having signed this arsehole. After over fifty years of supporting the Villa I now feel like giving up.
This is what I don't understand. I know that I said everyone's line in the sand is different, but in the past fifty years football-wise we've been relegated three times and almost gone down on numerous other occasions. We've suffered record defeats and worst-ever humiliations. We've had a string of deadbeats and piss takers on the books. When it comes to morality we've had a woman-beater, numerous drink-drivers, drug addicts and assorted hell-raisers. We had a chairman who pissed on the memory of the man who gave us our greatest achievement and our last two owners have made their fortunes in less than ethically-pure circumstances. We've taken money from gambling firms, sweatshop owners and trophy hunters.
And somehow, signing one of the biggest names in English football, the biggest name this league has had since it adopted its current ridiculous and commerce-orientated name, means we can't be taken seriously anymore?
Well it certainly hasn't been all about silverware, not for a generation in any case.
We all have different ideas of what Aston Villa represents in our heads, but the idea that there's some philosophy underpinning the club is a bit fanciful. We're a business. We sell tracksuit tops for £100 and shit beer for the best part of a fiver. We don't play to a set code. There isn't a 'Villa way'. We're not Corinthian FC. If you want to compete with the rest of the pack, you have to be as good as them and at least as bad.
Our deep attachment to the club is sewn into our very identities, but the corporate machine has unpicked that thread and spun it into something quite unrecognisable from the Villa of my childhood fantasies. I don't look to Villa for role models any more. Does anyone, seriously? But if you no longer want to support the club it's a personal thing, and you're entitled to exercise your right.
Corruption and immorality is ingrained in football as it is in society. The grand wide streets and fine buildings of our capital are built largely on the proceeds of imperialism, slavery, exploitation and empire. Do we boycott London? If we were all dedicated exemplars of morality and righteousness, we'd never step foot outside the house.
Well it certainly hasn't been all about silverware, not for a generation in any case.
We all have different ideas of what Aston Villa represents in our heads, but the idea that there's some philosophy underpinning the club is a bit fanciful. We're a business. We sell tracksuit tops for £100 and shit beer for the best part of a fiver. We don't play to a set code. There isn't a 'Villa way'. We're not Corinthian FC. If you want to compete with the rest of the pack, you have to be as good as them and at least as bad.
Our deep attachment to the club is sewn into our very identities, but the corporate machine has unpicked that thread and spun it into something quite unrecognisable from the Villa of my childhood fantasies. I don't look to Villa for role models any more. Does anyone, seriously? But if you no longer want to support the club it's a personal thing, and you're entitled to exercise your right.
Corruption and immorality is ingrained in football as it is in society. The grand wide streets and fine buildings of our capital are built largely on the proceeds of imperialism, slavery, exploitation and empire. Do we boycott London? If we were all dedicated exemplars of morality and righteousness, we'd never step foot outside the house.
The bold bit just isn't true. There is very much a Villa way, in the same way that every club has certain things that are core to them.
The Villa way is, unfortunately, to play ourselves down. We sign Terry (admittedly a big name for this league) and some fans are acting as if he's the biggest name ever. We get linked with Joe Hart and most fans reaction is 'why would he come here?'
That same reaction holds true regardless of where we are at the time. When we were pushing around the top 4 and you had people thinking Wesley Sneijder was far too big a name for us.Have we ever signed a genuine international superstar, despite being one of the biggest clubs in the biggest league in the world (until recently) I honestly can't think of us ever picking up a genuinely top player at his peak, we got people on the way up or down a few times and we've signed a few that are a step or 2 down the ladder but never the really top players. This is something I've said before, we're comfortably the biggest club in this league but last summer and in January instead of getting players who were too good for the league we got players who were used to it and went back to our normal mode of operation of picking up the better players from the clubs below us.
It's an extension of the Birmingham way, we know we're big but we don't want people to pay too much attention to us so we play it down but then get pissed off when tinpot shithouses like Tottenham Hotspur or Manchester get talked up as if they're more important than we are.
If Xia really wants to make the club into a champion league super club then the biggest task he has is to change that mentality. As much as I've been opposed to signing Terry (because of his age alone) he's the right type of signing at least and is an indication that we're looking in the right direction, Hart would be another nod that way, Whelan, not so much.
I agree with much of that, but I don't think anyone is saying that Terry is anything other than a short-term fix. He'll be the biggest name in the league but nowhere near the biggest we've had even in the past decade.
I think the only time we have consistently acted like a heavyweight football club was under BFR. Perhaps to a lesser extent under Little and Gregory.
I meant 'Villa way' in terms of a philosophy, not as a pervading attitude. Something like that's been with us a long, long time. On one hand we talk about our illustrious history and traditions and impeccable standing in the game, on the other we meekly accept defeat and failure to the point of surrender.
It might have something to do with the wider Birmingham attitude. We like to think we're the second city of the 5th largest economy in the world, but almost never act like it.
Didn't Cleverley sing that as well?Well if he didn't sing it as well as Terry he must have been fucking awful
On the boycott front, I think I would be much more likely to go through with one (and I admit to threatening it when we were linked to Terry, before weakly backing down when faced with the reality of what it would mean), if I thought it would make any difference. But the fact is, it won't. I, for one, admire the man who wrote the article, and at least by publicising it, he has a chance of it making an impact. What's the use of making a point if you don't tell anyone? It's utterly meaningless. And to give up something you love, surely you would have to feel like you were working towards a greater good?
And that is precisely why football clubs (and the industry) have the most loyal fans over a barrel. We'll turn up whatever. It's both depressing and impressive.
Following a sports team isn't like dating a girl you just met. You can't just walk away because you dislike something however much you think you can. You might threaten it. You might even avoid it for a bit but it is so ingrained in your life that it will suck you back in. And if Terry's arrival churns your stomach but he helps to win games, we get promoted and then leaves you'll forget he ever existed.
Following a sports team isn't like dating a girl you just met. You can't just walk away because you dislike something however much you think you can. You might threaten it. You might even avoid it for a bit but it is so ingrained in your life that it will suck you back in. And if Terry's arrival churns your stomach but he helps to win games, we get promoted and then leaves you'll forget he ever existed.
Of course you can walk away. Thousands already have.
Following a sports team isn't like dating a girl you just met. You can't just walk away because you dislike something however much you think you can. You might threaten it. You might even avoid it for a bit but it is so ingrained in your life that it will suck you back in. And if Terry's arrival churns your stomach but he helps to win games, we get promoted and then leaves you'll forget he ever existed.
Of course you can walk away. Thousands already have.
On the boycott front, I think I would be much more likely to go through with one (and I admit to threatening it when we were linked to Terry, before weakly backing down when faced with the reality of what it would mean), if I thought it would make any difference. But the fact is, it won't. I, for one, admire the man who wrote the article, and at least by publicising it, he has a chance of it making an impact. What's the use of making a point if you don't tell anyone? It's utterly meaningless. And to give up something you love, surely you would have to feel like you were working towards a greater good?
And that is precisely why football clubs (and the industry) have the most loyal fans over a barrel. We'll turn up whatever. It's both depressing and impressive.
Agree, but has the time for discussing a boycott now passed? I can see merit in threatening a boycott in the hope of preventing something happening, but once it has happened then isn't it a different situation? I accept that the person who wrote that article has his own views and he feels strongly enough to stop watching us, but he doesn't make clear in the article what he hopes boycotting will achieve. Is he hoping that by boycotting games, Terry won't be picked in the side?
I guess it comes down to a personal choice and although I would have preferred John Terry not to have signed for us, he has and barring injury he is going to be playing in our colours.
I'd imagine the majority that are boycotting are doing so knowing it won't change anything, so it's not to achieve anything apart from doing what they feel is right for them.
Following a sports team isn't like dating a girl you just met. You can't just walk away because you dislike something however much you think you can. You might threaten it. You might even avoid it for a bit but it is so ingrained in your life that it will suck you back in. And if Terry's arrival churns your stomach but he helps to win games, we get promoted and then leaves you'll forget he ever existed.
Following a sports team isn't like dating a girl you just met. You can't just walk away because you dislike something however much you think you can. You might threaten it. You might even avoid it for a bit but it is so ingrained in your life that it will suck you back in. And if Terry's arrival churns your stomach but he helps to win games, we get promoted and then leaves you'll forget he ever existed.
Of course you can walk away. Thousands already have.
Walking away, means precisely that. I don't mean not buying a ticket or a new shirt when it comes out. I mean stopping caring altogether. Never talking about Villa, never looking for the score, taking up another hobby. It's not that easy given that many people will have their social circles built around it.
Following a sports team isn't like dating a girl you just met. You can't just walk away because you dislike something however much you think you can. You might threaten it. You might even avoid it for a bit but it is so ingrained in your life that it will suck you back in. And if Terry's arrival churns your stomach but he helps to win games, we get promoted and then leaves you'll forget he ever existed.
Of course you can walk away. Thousands already have.
Walking away, means precisely that. I don't mean not buying a ticket or a new shirt when it comes out. I mean stopping caring altogether. Never talking about Villa, never looking for the score, taking up another hobby. It's not that easy given that many people will have their social circles built around it.
You mean it would be difficult for you. It probably would be for me, too. Not everyone though. I've known plenty of people who have been regular attendees at Villa (or down the road) who lose all interest and couldn't tell you if or who their team are playing on a weekly basis.
You've stayed that "you can't just walk away". Lots of people do, all the time.
Following a sports team isn't like dating a girl you just met. You can't just walk away because you dislike something however much you think you can. You might threaten it. You might even avoid it for a bit but it is so ingrained in your life that it will suck you back in. And if Terry's arrival churns your stomach but he helps to win games, we get promoted and then leaves you'll forget he ever existed.
Of course you can walk away. Thousands already have.
Walking away, means precisely that. I don't mean not buying a ticket or a new shirt when it comes out. I mean stopping caring altogether. Never talking about Villa, never looking for the score, taking up another hobby. It's not that easy given that many people will have their social circles built around it.
You mean it would be difficult for you. It probably would be for me, too. Not everyone though. I've known plenty of people who have been regular attendees at Villa (or down the road) who lose all interest and couldn't tell you if or who their team are playing on a weekly basis.
You've stayed that "you can't just walk away". Lots of people do, all the time.
And they never look at Villa results again, or talk about the club with friends? Something that they might have done previously for 20 years. You have to have some resolve to completely detach yourself from something you were so passionate about.
Some people of a certain age are just looking for a reason 'never to step foot in the place again'.
Our owner, our Manager and now Terry - truth is you just don't love the Villa like you did when you were younger.
Football as you knew it has gone - never to return, adapt or get yourself an allotment, but stop looking for a scapegoat.
I'd imagine the majority that are boycotting are doing so knowing it won't change anything, so it's not to achieve anything apart from doing what they feel is right for them.
Does it really matter? Why can't folks just say something like "that choice isn't for me and I disagree with it, but I respect your/their choice" instead of trying to pick holes in it? I really don't get why so many don't seem to want to do that.
People can withdraw their support for whatever reason they want. In the same way as people can turn up in full John Terry Chelsea kit and mask etc if they want to.
It doesn't mean boycotting the club stops them supporting Villa, it means they don't feel comfortable putting money into the club while Terry is employed by the club, or for any other reason they feel is appropriate for them. Seems weird to me that some folks just can't respect that things like that are right for some people.
I fully appreciate everyone has a view, and is entitled to boycott/support it as they wish - it's a free country. However, I do hope that at some point between now and August we can get on with supporting Terry (for those that want to) but more importantly the team as a whole rather than keep going over old ground. It really is a massive season ahead.
But why does it matter to you if he did or didn't watch an England game with Terry in it, especially as he isn't here to answer that as far as I know. It has zero impact on you, me or any of us whether he or anyone else that he is boycotting. Maybe his boycott is to do with giving the club money and it going towards Terry, but he'll be happy if we win, or happy to watch a game on TV. There's no set rules on what someone feels is right for them. Just respect they want to do their thing and carry on doing what is right for you regarding Villa.
Does it really matter? Why can't folks just say something like "that choice isn't for me and I disagree with it, but I respect your/their choice" instead of trying to pick holes in it? I really don't get why so many don't seem to want to do that.
Does it really matter? Why can't folks just say something like "that choice isn't for me and I disagree with it, but I respect your/their choice" instead of trying to pick holes in it? I really don't get why so many don't seem to want to do that.
It's something you do quite regularly, as do others, on lots of different issues across many different threads so not sure what your point is here. Its part and parcel of a discussion forum.
Does it really matter? Why can't folks just say something like "that choice isn't for me and I disagree with it, but I respect your/their choice" instead of trying to pick holes in it? I really don't get why so many don't seem to want to do that.
It's something you do quite regularly, as do others, on lots of different issues across many different threads so not sure what your point is here. Its part and parcel of a discussion forum.
People can withdraw their support for whatever reason they want. In the same way as people can turn up in full John Terry Chelsea kit and mask etc if they want to.
It doesn't mean boycotting the club stops them supporting Villa, it means they don't feel comfortable putting money into the club while Terry is employed by the club, or for any other reason they feel is appropriate for them. Seems weird to me that some folks just can't respect that things like that are right for some people.
Stu? ;)
Does it really matter? Why can't folks just say something like "that choice isn't for me and I disagree with it, but I respect your/their choice" instead of trying to pick holes in it? I really don't get why so many don't seem to want to do that.
It's something you do quite regularly, as do others, on lots of different issues across many different threads so not sure what your point is here. Its part and parcel of a discussion forum.
I debate with people on here, I don't tell them they are wrong for what they choose to do with their lives or how they should support the Villa. And there's a difference between debating a point, and just criticising someone for their choice of going to games, or not.
I like to think my club is not all about trophy hunting and silverware
Probably just as well.
Does it really matter? Why can't folks just say something like "that choice isn't for me and I disagree with it, but I respect your/their choice" instead of trying to pick holes in it? I really don't get why so many don't seem to want to do that.
It's something you do quite regularly, as do others, on lots of different issues across many different threads so not sure what your point is here. Its part and parcel of a discussion forum.
I debate with people on here, I don't tell them they are wrong for what they choose to do with their lives or how they should support the Villa. And there's a difference between debating a point, and just criticising someone for their choice of going to games, or not.
but that's what you are doing. And more power to you. It's a discussion board after all.
I like to think my club is not all about trophy hunting and silverware
Probably just as well.
I have to say that, in the midst of all the soul-searching and angst that this topic has generated, I love the one-liners like this one from Kieron.
Perfect throwaway riposte to the previous comment and made me chuckle.
I've said before that if it wasn't for my son I doubt I would go to any matches. He's asked if he can have a season ticket for Harrogate Town next season, whilst I always enjoy our days out at Villa Park if we do go next season I'll try to coincide it with Terry being injured or suspended, really don't like the thought of him in a Villa shirt.Harrogate Town would be a good bet if they had a half-decent manager ....
I've said before that if it wasn't for my son I doubt I would go to any matches. He's asked if he can have a season ticket for Harrogate Town next season, whilst I always enjoy our days out at Villa Park if we do go next season I'll try to coincide it with Terry being injured or suspended, really don't like the thought of him in a Villa shirt.Harrogate Town would be a good bet if they had a half-decent manager ....
I've said before that if it wasn't for my son I doubt I would go to any matches. He's asked if he can have a season ticket for Harrogate Town next season, whilst I always enjoy our days out at Villa Park if we do go next season I'll try to coincide it with Terry being injured or suspended, really don't like the thought of him in a Villa shirt.Harrogate Town would be a good bet if they had a half-decent manager ....
So would the Villa..
I think the only time we have consistently acted like a heavyweight football club was under BFR. Perhaps to a lesser extent under Little and Gregory.
Collymore signed after the 96/97 season, 95/96 was 4th and the cup semi. We'd still finished a 'disappointing' 5th though.isn't that what I said ? Win cup in 1996, thought we signed Stanley that summer so 1996-97 season ?
'Fun' fact, that is the only time we have finished top 5 in consecutive seasons since the early 30's.
You think at 36 he's gonna manage Saturday/Tuesday/Saturday/Tuesday week in week out???I can't stand the bloke for all the reasons already stated. But additionally, we're paying a lot of money per week on wages for a player who clearly won't be able to appear in a substantial amount of games.
Why not? It's not clear at all, he may be just as likely to appear in the vast majority.
You think at 36 he's gonna manage Saturday/Tuesday/Saturday/Tuesday week in week out???I can't stand the bloke for all the reasons already stated. But additionally, we're paying a lot of money per week on wages for a player who clearly won't be able to appear in a substantial amount of games.
Why not? It's not clear at all, he may be just as likely to appear in the vast majority.
According to Pravda, on this day in 1984, while I was in my mother's tummy, Big Ron turned us down to stay with Manyew.
It's not unusual in Italy for defenders to play at the highest level into their late 30s - Baresi, Bergomi, Costacurta, Maldini, Cannavaro. That said, Terry is nowhere near that class of player.That's some list of great defenders including my favourite of all time Gianfranco Baresi. Terry is nowhere near that standard but will be the best defender in the league next season. All about how many games he plays I reckon.
It's a bit like saying he'd have bought Steven gerrard tho isn't it. Of course he would, he was one of the best centre backs in Europe
Will he be able to play more than half of our games?
Collymore signed after the 96/97 season, 95/96 was 4th and the cup semi. We'd still finished a 'disappointing' 5th though.isn't that what I said ? Win cup in 1996, thought we signed Stanley that summer so 1996-97 season ?
'Fun' fact, that is the only time we have finished top 5 in consecutive seasons since the early 30's.
We have been ever since, I think.
It's not unusual in Italy for defenders to play at the highest level into their late 30s - Baresi, Bergomi, Costacurta, Maldini, Cannavaro. That said, Terry is nowhere near that class of player.That's some list of great defenders including my favourite of all time Gianfranco Baresi.
We have been ever since, I think.
i think we had a spell under MON where we looked like more than that....poor decisions at critical times stopped us making the final step, as is well documented on here.
We looked like a team spunking money on shite and achieving less than others with less resources.We have been ever since, I think.
i think we had a spell under MON where we looked like more than that....poor decisions at critical times stopped us making the final step, as is well documented on here.
Yeah but how did Spurs wage bill compare?
Mon had 2 problems.
He couldn't find a decent striker to offer an alternative to Gabby and Carew If you look at how he spent the money he was given the spending on defence and midfield was totally out of line with the lack of spending up front and it showed, we were defensively sound but just didn't have the options up front if Gabby and Carew weren't doing it and neither of them was quite good enough to turn games on their own.
Mon had 2 problems.
He couldn't find a decent striker to offer an alternative to Gabby and Carew If you look at how he spent the money he was given the spending on defence and midfield was totally out of line with the lack of spending up front and it showed, we were defensively sound but just didn't have the options up front if Gabby and Carew weren't doing it and neither of them was quite good enough to turn games on their own.
He also had zero tactical nous.
Whatever the opposition, try hit them on the break (unless they don't fall into that trap, in which case just bang your fucking head against the wall for 90 minutes). So many home league matches against dross opposition who weren't going to put us under pressure in the first place, toiling away with endless crosses in the general direction of the box.
That whole MON period, we were great away from home (playing on the break) and absolutely crap otherwise.
Every season he was there, we'd score 27 or 28 home league goals. Only 10 of them would be spread across two drubbings we'd dished out to clubs who were stupid enough to fall into our trap (Bolton always seemed to play an insanely dangerous high line against us) which would leave a ratio of 1 goal per match across the other 17 matches.
Two totally different experiences, home and away.
Oh and his substitutions - 75 minutes, Sidwell on, and usually something involving moving a non right back to right back (to replace the non right back who was already playing there).
I wouldn't. I wanted him out at the end of the second season.
I wouldn't. I wanted him out at the end of the second season.
His second season was his best. He took us from 12th (his first season) to 6th and hadn't really spent that dramatically in the summer before. He actually did really well that season. It started to go south towards the end of the third season when the points made in previous posts about lack of plan B, tactics working away but not at home, playing people out of position and predictable (bad) substitutions started to take their toll. He rallied with some changes in personnel for season 4 but by the end he'd well and truly run out of ideas. Lerner putting the brakes on more changes meant he was only going to go backwards with us so he walked. I think it showed he hadn't got what it took to manage a team near the very top.
I wouldn't. I wanted him out at the end of the second season.
His second season was his best. He took us from 12th (his first season) to 6th and hadn't really spent that dramatically in the summer before. He actually did really well that season. It started to go south towards the end of the third season when the points made in previous posts about lack of plan B, tactics working away but not at home, playing people out of position and predictable (bad) substitutions started to take their toll. He rallied with some changes in personnel for season 4 but by the end he'd well and truly run out of ideas. Lerner putting the brakes on more changes meant he was only going to go backwards with us so he walked. I think it showed he hadn't got what it took to manage a team near the very top.
It would be fitting of such a signing that this thread evolved into being about anything except Terry.
It's become the none JT thread, I think it should get back to being about JT.
It would be fitting of such a signing that this thread evolved into being about anything except Terry.
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How many people on here who proffess to hate John Terry have actually met him?
How many people on here who proffess to hate John Terry have actually met him?
chelsea fans can ask what they like - they can, as cbeer eloquently put it, fuck right off. this is our club/team/signing and we'll have our own debate about it with our many different opinions. This is where fans of other clubs have no right to trespass.
Chelsea fan on another forum was asking if any Villa fan boycotted when Bozzie did his salute at WHL?
How many people on here who proffess to hate John Terry have actually met him?
I'd like to echo this, but can we also ask the same of people who claim to hate Eugene Terre-Blanche.
How many people on here who proffess to hate John Terry have actually met him?
I'd like to echo this, but can we also ask the same of people who claim to hate Eugene Terre-Blanche.
*adopts gruff South African accent*
"No Sexual you can't"
It's hold your nose and hope he helps us get promoted, for me.
Lol. Fair enoughIt's hold your nose and hope he helps us get promoted, for me.
I guess that's all we can do. I'm going to refer to him as 'number 26'.
It's hold your nose and hope he helps us get promoted, for me.
It's hold your nose and hope he helps us get promoted, for me.
I guess that's all we can do. I'm going to refer to him as 'number 26'.
How many people on here who proffess to hate John Terry have actually met him?
I've never met Jeremy Hunt, Boris Johnson, Michael Gove, Theresa May, David Davies, Jacob Rees-Mogg, Bono, Kelvin Mackenzie, Katie Hopkins, Donald Trump, Nick Griffin, Richard Littlejohn or Richard E Grant but haven't allowed that to prevent me from hating them.
Or as AV5nobs no doubt knows them JH, BJ, MG, TM etc
I've never met Jeremy Hunt, Boris Johnson, Michael Gove, Theresa May, David Davies, Jacob Rees-Mogg, Bono, Kelvin Mackenzie, Katie Hopkins, Donald Trump, Nick Griffin, Richard Littlejohn or Richard E Grant but haven't allowed that to prevent me from hating them.
Or as AV5nobs no doubt knows them JH, BJ, MG, TM etc
I would hope our younger players will be thinking "Wow! John Terry winner of X, Y, Z has joined my club. What can I learn from him?"
I've never met Jeremy Hunt, Boris Johnson, Michael Gove, Theresa May, David Davies, Jacob Rees-Mogg, Bono, Kelvin Mackenzie, Katie Hopkins, Donald Trump, Nick Griffin, Richard Littlejohn or Richard E Grant but haven't allowed that to prevent me from hating them.
Or as AV5nobs no doubt knows them JH, BJ, MG, TM etc
The first four can be known simply as C**TS, no need for the abbreviated hard work.
I would class our man JT as one, but at least JT is now our C**T.
I've never met Jeremy Hunt, Boris Johnson, Michael Gove, Theresa May, David Davies, Jacob Rees-Mogg, Bono, Kelvin Mackenzie, Katie Hopkins, Donald Trump, Nick Griffin, Richard Littlejohn or Richard E Grant but haven't allowed that to prevent me from hating them.I'll raise you Rupert Murdoch, Paul Dacre and Richard Desmond.
Or as AV5nobs no doubt knows them JH, BJ, MG, TM etc
Other than Withnail & i - which to be honest I find a bit *meh* - i couldn't name anything else he is or was in.
Other than Withnail & i - which to be honest I find a bit *meh* - i couldn't name anything else he is or was in.
Crystal Maze.
Other than Withnail & i - which to be honest I find a bit *meh* - i couldn't name anything else he is or was in.
Crystal Maze.
Never heard of her.
badum tsssscccchhhhhhh
Other than Withnail & i - which to be honest I find a bit *meh* - i couldn't name anything else he is or was in.
You're definitely on a wind up. Had my suspicions.
You're definitely on a wind up. Had my suspicions.
Because not everyone hates Grantsy?
That's called communism me old pal.
I've never met Jeremy Hunt, Boris Johnson, Michael Gove, Theresa May, David Davies, Jacob Rees-Mogg, Bono, Kelvin Mackenzie, Katie Hopkins, Donald Trump, Nick Griffin, Richard Littlejohn or Richard E Grant but haven't allowed that to prevent me from hating them.
Or as AV5nobs no doubt knows them JH, BJ, MG, TM etc
The first four can be known simply as C**TS, no need for the abbreviated hard work.
I would class our man JT as one, but at least JT is now our C**T.
I've never met Paul Tait. I'm just assuming....
I was delighted to get a message from a friend yesterday confirming what a massive c*** Jacob Rees-Mogg is. He saw me post something on Facebook and as he has to remain politically neutral couldn't be seen to be commenting, he was at Uni with him and Mogg had a butler and twice thought my friend was a porter because he was northern and working class. Great news is everybody hated him. Got another mate who was at school with Gove who was bullied relentlessly because he was a twat back then. Normally I hate bullying but...
Indeed. Jermaine Beckford could still do a job for us now.
His (or her) location is a sure sign he's (or she) on a wind up.
Other than Withnail & i - which to be honest I find a bit *meh* - i couldn't name anything else he is or was in.How to get ahead in advertising-brilliant.
I've only seen him in Withnail and I which he was superb in.
It's Coopers Head Injury.
Anyone else who was odd enough to like U2 would be too embarrassed (surely to McGrath) to make it obvious.
I've never seen Withnail & I because the smuggest tosser in the world is in it, made the mistake of reading a couple of columns he wrote a few years ago and he confirmed what a sneering, snobbish, smug tosser he is.
I've never liked Richard E Grant and haven't watched Withnail and I all the way through, for that reason.
I've never liked Richard E Grant and haven't watched Withnail and I all the way through, for that reason.
You're missing out.
One of the funniest films ever made.
I've never liked Richard E Grant and haven't watched Withnail and I all the way through, for that reason.
You're missing out.
One of the funniest films ever made.
I've never liked Richard E Grant and haven't watched Withnail and I all the way through, for that reason.
You're missing out.
One of the funniest films ever made.
I've never liked Richard E Grant and haven't watched Withnail and I all the way through, for that reason.
You're missing out.
One of the funniest films ever made.
Watched half an hour, couldn't get into it.
The fact that I had to shout "c***!" every time Richard E Grant was on the screen probably didn't help. Especially as he was on screen constantly.
I've never seen Withnail & I because the smuggest tosser in the world is in it, made the mistake of reading a couple of columns he wrote a few years ago and he confirmed what a sneering, snobbish, smug tosser he is.
I love Withnail and I and he's brilliant in it. His character's a sneering, snobbish, smug tosser so that might have helped.
Pulling yourself asunder over John Terry is one thing.
But the love for Richard E Grant should be enough to see any trialist binned.
Pulling yourself asunder over John Terry is one thing.
But the love for Richard E Grant should be enough to see any trialist binned.
Surely not, Grantsy is, by another's admission a decent fella, and a banning order surely OTT?
Pulling yourself asunder over John Terry is one thing.
But the love for Richard E Grant should be enough to see any trialist binned.
Surely not, Grantsy is, by another's admission a decent fella, and a banning order surely OTT?
Will you get off with me?
I've never liked Richard E Grant and haven't watched Withnail and I all the way through, for that reason.
It's Grantsy, read closely.
You now have a claim to fame and purpose given the route this thread has taken.
Well done Richard E.
You've never seen me! I'm a terrific dancer and I've got bags of enthusiasm.
Its the right decision. Experienced and motivational. Well done Bruce
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Agreed.
Love him or hate him - he is a natural leader on the pitch.
Terry will make a better captain than Chester on the pitch ....he is more vocal
Terry will make a better captain than Chester on the pitch ....he is more vocal
Terry always in the right place isn't he?Is he in the pub right now?
Just found the Shrewsbury v villa game live stream. There's a link on the Birmingham mail website
Terry will make a better captain than Chester on the pitch ....he is more vocalTherefore Joey Barton will be an even better captain in any team.
Your welcomeJust found the Shrewsbury v villa game live stream. There's a link on the Birmingham mail website
There's also one in the thread all about the match on this forum.
Actually played some decent forward passes through the lines, which is more than what could be said about Baker and Elphick last season, and probably Jedinak as well if he played at CB.I can just picture our midfield now, suddenly the ball is at their feet, instead of waiting for the usual throw-in after a pass from our defenders.
Pity we don't actually have anyone who can make any use of them.
he knows how to pass to his own players , he just needs to show half the team how to do it.
The passing was fine yesterday, it's just that they did nothing with it in the final third. The only option seemed to be Hutton looking for Green. Or Hutton cutting inside and no forward movement from the midfield giving him any other option than going square. McCormack didn't make himself available enough and so we'd just start again.
Has anyone seen even a glimpse of why we shelled out a fortune on Lansbury, Hourihane and Hogan? They seem worse than mediocre. How do we manage it? Labouring to defeat against Shrewsbury is worrying friendly or not.
Has anyone seen even a glimpse of why we shelled out a fortune on Lansbury, Hourihane and Hogan? They seem worse than mediocre. How do we manage it? Labouring to defeat against Shrewsbury is worrying friendly or not.
Well firstly we didn't shell out a fortune on either Lansbury or Hourihane. We allegedly paid around 10m for Hogan but as he was mainly injured last season and this season hasn't started yet i can't tell you whether he was worth it or not. And as we created absolutely zero for either forward yesterday so that didn't tell me anything about either of them either
Has anyone seen even a glimpse of why we shelled out a fortune on Lansbury, Hourihane and Hogan? They seem worse than mediocre. How do we manage it? Labouring to defeat against Shrewsbury is worrying friendly or not.
Well firstly we didn't shell out a fortune on either Lansbury or Hourihane. We allegedly paid around 10m for Hogan but as he was mainly injured last season and this season hasn't started yet i can't tell you whether he was worth it or not. And as we created absolutely zero for either forward yesterday so that didn't tell me anything about either of them either
I concede that fees in the region of three million for each of Lansbury and Hourihane can be argued as reasonable(?) but collectively we've spent all we can and it appears the only players who look decent are Kodija and Chester. Nobody pisses money up the wall like we do.
Looked quality. Said though gritted teeth.
If the lack of creativity is ignored and we finished 13th last season so a team with the weaknesses the best we can probably manage is 6th.
maybe the defence wasn't the problem - defensively - but they couldn't be trusted to start effective attacks and use the ball well. Hopefully with terry and Chester that will mean we can turn defence into attack a lot quicker.
I can't believe people can say our defence wasn't a problem last season
Under RDM we conceded about 6 vital goals in the last five minutes including some fucking ridiculous ones. We'd have bee top four by the time he left without that
Bruce tightened it up, but we still conceded stupid important goals (off the top of my head: elphick falling over v Ipswich, Gollini rushing out v Leeds, baker getting turned at about 2 mph against Brighton at home - unlucky w the pen tho - I'm sure Amavi cost us about three by himself didn't he?).
Definitely scope for improvement (albeit Johnstone and Taylor already achieved some of that by the end of the year)
I can't believe people can say our defence wasn't a problem last season
Under RDM we conceded about 6 vital goals in the last five minutes including some fucking ridiculous ones. We'd have bee top four by the time he left without that
Bruce tightened it up, but we still conceded stupid important goals (off the top of my head: elphick falling over v Ipswich, Gollini rushing out v Leeds, baker getting turned at about 2 mph against Brighton at home - unlucky w the pen tho - I'm sure Amavi cost us about three by himself didn't he?).
Definitely scope for improvement (albeit Johnstone and Taylor already achieved some of that by the end of the year)
Having one of the leagues best defences proves you to be wrong about defence being a problem.
conceded one of the fewest goals but scored one of the fewest amount of goals those are the facts and you think our defence was a problem oh dear
When a team concedes very few goals but scores very few goals it's clear where the problem lies it's not rocket science to be honest but it does seem to be beyond some people.
I can't believe people can say our defence wasn't a problem last season
Under RDM we conceded about 6 vital goals in the last five minutes including some fucking ridiculous ones. We'd have bee top four by the time he left without that
Bruce tightened it up, but we still conceded stupid important goals (off the top of my head: elphick falling over v Ipswich, Gollini rushing out v Leeds, baker getting turned at about 2 mph against Brighton at home - unlucky w the pen tho - I'm sure Amavi cost us about three by himself didn't he?).
Definitely scope for improvement (albeit Johnstone and Taylor already achieved some of that by the end of the year)
Having one of the leagues best defences proves you to be wrong about defence being a problem.
conceded one of the fewest goals but scored one of the fewest amount of goals those are the facts and you think our defence was a problem oh dear
When a team concedes very few goals but scores very few goals it's clear where the problem lies it's not rocket science to be honest but it does seem to be beyond some people.
The defence was a problem, hence much of the season employing a deep lying midfield to offer some protection. This in turn meant our attacking threat was reduced. Too early to know for sure but I imagine that Bruce's thinking is that with Terry there the midfield should have a bit more freedom.
I can't believe people can say our defence wasn't a problem last season
Under RDM we conceded about 6 vital goals in the last five minutes including some fucking ridiculous ones. We'd have bee top four by the time he left without that
Bruce tightened it up, but we still conceded stupid important goals (off the top of my head: elphick falling over v Ipswich, Gollini rushing out v Leeds, baker getting turned at about 2 mph against Brighton at home - unlucky w the pen tho - I'm sure Amavi cost us about three by himself didn't he?).
Definitely scope for improvement (albeit Johnstone and Taylor already achieved some of that by the end of the year)
Having one of the leagues best defences proves you to be wrong about defence being a problem.
conceded one of the fewest goals but scored one of the fewest amount of goals those are the facts and you think our defence was a problem oh dear
When a team concedes very few goals but scores very few goals it's clear where the problem lies it's not rocket science to be honest but it does seem to be beyond some people.
The defence was a problem, hence much of the season employing a deep lying midfield to offer some protection. This in turn meant our attacking threat was reduced. Too early to know for sure but I imagine that Bruce's thinking is that with Terry there the midfield should have a bit more freedom.
I'm beginning to come round to the thinking that we've got no choice but to go 3-5-2. Taylor, Terry, Chester as the 3. Wing backs being Elmohamady and maybe Thor (Obvious other options being Baker/Taylor, three in the middle being Lansbury, Hourihane and one more (Jedinak/new holding player/Grealish/Thor), with two of Hogan/Green/Kodjia/Adomah/ someone else I've forgotten about.
I don't particularly like the system and think we should even be going to 4-51/4-3-3 but i don't think Bruce knows how to knock the players into a decent unit using 4-4-2.
I can't believe people can say our defence wasn't a problem last season
Under RDM we conceded about 6 vital goals in the last five minutes including some fucking ridiculous ones. We'd have bee top four by the time he left without that
Bruce tightened it up, but we still conceded stupid important goals (off the top of my head: elphick falling over v Ipswich, Gollini rushing out v Leeds, baker getting turned at about 2 mph against Brighton at home - unlucky w the pen tho - I'm sure Amavi cost us about three by himself didn't he?).
Definitely scope for improvement (albeit Johnstone and Taylor already achieved some of that by the end of the year)
Having one of the leagues best defences proves you to be wrong about defence being a problem.
conceded one of the fewest goals but scored one of the fewest amount of goals those are the facts and you think our defence was a problem oh dear
When a team concedes very few goals but scores very few goals it's clear where the problem lies it's not rocket science to be honest but it does seem to be beyond some people.
The defence was a problem, hence much of the season employing a deep lying midfield to offer some protection. This in turn meant our attacking threat was reduced. Too early to know for sure but I imagine that Bruce's thinking is that with Terry there the midfield should have a bit more freedom.
Only saw the highlights on the telly, but when Terry got nut megged by that top division 3 player, I have seen people on the iron man challenge get through mud quicker than Terry turned!
I can't believe people can say our defence wasn't a problem last season
Under RDM we conceded about 6 vital goals in the last five minutes including some fucking ridiculous ones. We'd have bee top four by the time he left without that
Bruce tightened it up, but we still conceded stupid important goals (off the top of my head: elphick falling over v Ipswich, Gollini rushing out v Leeds, baker getting turned at about 2 mph against Brighton at home - unlucky w the pen tho - I'm sure Amavi cost us about three by himself didn't he?).
Definitely scope for improvement (albeit Johnstone and Taylor already achieved some of that by the end of the year)
Having one of the leagues best defences proves you to be wrong about defence being a problem.
conceded one of the fewest goals but scored one of the fewest amount of goals those are the facts and you think our defence was a problem oh dear
When a team concedes very few goals but scores very few goals it's clear where the problem lies it's not rocket science to be honest but it does seem to be beyond some people.
I can't believe people can say our defence wasn't a problem last season
Under RDM we conceded about 6 vital goals in the last five minutes including some fucking ridiculous ones. We'd have bee top four by the time he left without that
Bruce tightened it up, but we still conceded stupid important goals (off the top of my head: elphick falling over v Ipswich, Gollini rushing out v Leeds, baker getting turned at about 2 mph against Brighton at home - unlucky w the pen tho - I'm sure Amavi cost us about three by himself didn't he?).
Definitely scope for improvement (albeit Johnstone and Taylor already achieved some of that by the end of the year)
Having one of the leagues best defences proves you to be wrong about defence being a problem.
conceded one of the fewest goals but scored one of the fewest amount of goals those are the facts and you think our defence was a problem oh dear
When a team concedes very few goals but scores very few goals it's clear where the problem lies it's not rocket science to be honest but it does seem to be beyond some people.
I disagree. Liverpool always used to have one of the best defensive records with scales, babb and ruddock. But in the big games they conceded sloppy goals. Our defence is good enough against teams in the bottom half but not good enough against teams in the top 8 or so in my view. I'm pretty sure we didn't keep a clean sheet away against any of them; and we conceded bad goals as I said above
It's the strongest part of our team and stronger with the signings we've made since Jan. But it was a problem last season because we lost important goals stupidly
We both agree on that front - that's the biggest problem to fix
But as others say above. Bruce reacted to our brittleness by deciding we needed to play deep, get bodies around Jedinak, and put energy (e.g. Bacuna) ahead of flair (e.g. Grealish)
Hopefully if we're stronger at the back we can afford to be more creative with the rest of the team. Though how far Bruce is ready to do that; and whether a team with Terry and Jedinak can squeeze the play is debatable
According to the Villa website John Terry shirts are easily the most popular, with 69% of fans choosing them. Zero to hero!
According to the Villa website John Terry shirts are easily the most popular, with 69% of fans choosing them. Zero to hero!
According to the Villa website John Terry shirts are easily the most popular, with 69% of fans choosing them. Zero to hero!
Out of interest, what does one call someone who wears a full kit replica of a fullkitwanker?
Replica wanker.According to the Villa website John Terry shirts are easily the most popular, with 69% of fans choosing them. Zero to hero!
Out of interest, what does one call someone who wears a full kit replica of a fullkitwanker?
Replica wanker.According to the Villa website John Terry shirts are easily the most popular, with 69% of fans choosing them. Zero to hero!
Out of interest, what does one call someone who wears a full kit replica of a fullkitwanker?
I really detest this kind of thing people who go around and burgle other people and take other peoples things I don't have much but I wouldn't lower myself to do this kind of thing.Well said, Darren!
I really detest this kind of thing people who go around and burgle other people and take other peoples things I don't have much but I wouldn't lower myself to do this kind of thing.
£126K worth of sodding handbags!!!! Dail Mail article on burglary at John Terry's house (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4737186/Burglars-raided-John-Terry-s-mansion-stealing-jewellery.html)
Items stolen
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/07/27/23/42C0468C00000578-4737186-image-a-1_1501195224487.jpg)
Being burgled is horrible , left a horrible effect on my 8 year old. Scum
Being burgled is horrible , left a horrible effect on my 8 year old. Scum
He's only 8, give him a chance.
Snakeskin? Could he get any lower?
Snakeskin? Could he get any lower?
The mini replica trophy will be from when Terry won Wimbledon.The wife just hit me on the head cos I am laughing uncontrollably whilst she is lying there suffering a bad back.
I have been burgled and it is not funny, regardless of what is stolen. Some may find it obscene the monies involved with handbags and they will get even better through insurance, it is the invasion of privacy that affects people the most
Being burgled is horrible. After a few years I still miss things that were taken but the biggest upset was taking items left by my mother. They were worth very little and probably ended up down the drain but they meant a lot to me.
For the cost of a couple of handbags could they not have hired a security team to keep watch on the gaff for a few days? Posting on social media from a ski slope far far away, showing that your mansion is empty probably not the wisest thing to do.
Thought he was very good today.He was the standout peacock amongst Dodos'.
I didn't see what he did today to make him stand out from the rest of the rubbish, Chester aside. He didn't take responsibility for playing out from the back like I thought he would and didn't win as much in the air as Baker used to. I might be totally wrong, but I think there's a bit of The Emperor's New Clothes about him. To pay someone 60k a week at this level you need people that will turn losses into draws and draws into wins. I guess it's not his fault that we desperately need improvement further up the pitch, though, but today just seemed to emphasise the complete lack of planning from the club over the summer. Again. I know we still have a month, but we desperately need(ed) a strong start this year.
Really? I thought he was noticeably dominant and very comfortable.
Really? I thought he was noticeably dominant and very comfortable.
I thought Chester was. Can't think of anything Terry did all match that was in any way noticeable. I might have forgotten bits, and to be fair, we weren't troubled in defence often, but I just didn't see it. And like I said, to be paying someone that amount of money, you want them to have a really positive impact on the game.
For the highest paid player in the league('s history?), I want him to make us a better, and more successful, team. I don't think the match would have been any different if Baker would have been playing. As I said though, it's not necessarily his fault that we haven't strengthened where we need to.Really? I thought he was noticeably dominant and very comfortable.
I thought Chester was. Can't think of anything Terry did all match that was in any way noticeable. I might have forgotten bits, and to be fair, we weren't troubled in defence often, but I just didn't see it. And like I said, to be paying someone that amount of money, you want them to have a really positive impact on the game.
He didn't put a foot wrong all game. What more do you want?
Fair enough, I'm clearly letting my personal feelings for the man cloud my judgement.
For the record, I don't think Baker is in any way a better player than him, more that I don't think Baker/our defence was our problem last year. Today the midfield wasn't any further forward, we gave away a soft goal and yet again we didn't have the mental strength to get a win. I expected Terry to change some of that, but today it was exactly the same as last year. I didn't notice him do anything especially good. I was equally disappointed in Whelan as well.
But I will concede that I am in the minority here so probably wrong.
I dislike him. But I've seen him play for us three times now and he's been the best player each time. I'd still rather we hadn't signed him, for reasons that I've made clear. On a purely footballing sense, he looks like an excellent acquisition and he and Chester look to have a better understanding than Chester and Baker had, already. And I say that as someone who is still a bit sad that Baker has gone.
I dislike him. But I've seen him play for us three times now and he's been the best player each time. I'd still rather we hadn't signed him, for reasons that I've made clear. On a purely footballing sense, he looks like an excellent acquisition and he and Chester look to have a better understanding than Chester and Baker had, already. And I say that as someone who is still a bit sad that Baker has gone.
He's a clart of a human being. But if he can stay fit, looks like he could be our best centre half since Laursen.I totally agree, but require clarity.
Not that the competition has been all that hot, sadly.
The concern is that if he does start to decline, it will be pretty rapid at that age.
So then, only Bobby Pires was older when making their debuts (not including goalies).
Oldest outfield league debutants:
1 - 37 years & 23 days - Pires - 2010-11 season.
2 - 36 years & 241 days - Terry - 2017-18 season.
3 - 34 years & 259 days - Paton - 1889-90 season.
4 - 34 years & 72 days - Calderwood - 1998-99 season.
5 - 33 years & 225 days - Sutton - 2006-07 season.
6 - 33 years & 207 days - Ginola - 2000-01 season.
7 - 33 years & 204 days - Whelan - 2017-18 season.
8 - 33 years & 189 days - Regis - 1991-92 season.
9 - 33 years & 160 days - Broadbent - 1966-67 season.
10 - 33 years & 130 days - Samba - 2017-18 season.
11 - 33 years & 94 days - Nilis - 2000-01 season.
12 - 33 years & 93 days - Johnsen - 2002-03 season.
13 - 33 years & 28 days - Lescott - 2015-16 season.
14 - 33 years & (unknown) days - Worrell - 1919-20 season.
15 - 32 years & 344 days - Cole - 2014-15 season.
16 - 32 years & 281 days - Holt - 2013-14 season.
17 - 32 years & 274 days - McAvennie - 1992-93 season.
18 - 32 years & 166 days - Powell - 1948-49 season.
19 - 32 years & 118 days - Mulraney - 1948-49 season.
20 - 32 years & 36 days - Leonhardsen - 2002-03 season.
He's a clart of a human being. But if he can stay fit, looks like he could be our best centre half since Laursen.I totally agree, but require clarity.
Not that the competition has been all that hot, sadly.
The concern is that if he does start to decline, it will be pretty rapid at that age.
Rarse or bumba ?
So then, only Bobby Pires was older when making their debuts (not including goalies).
Oldest outfield league debutants:
1 - 37 years & 23 days - Pires - 2010-11 season.
2 - 36 years & 241 days - Terry - 2017-18 season.
3 - 34 years & 259 days - Paton - 1889-90 season.
4 - 34 years & 72 days - Calderwood - 1998-99 season.
5 - 33 years & 225 days - Sutton - 2006-07 season.
6 - 33 years & 207 days - Ginola - 2000-01 season.
7 - 33 years & 204 days - Whelan - 2017-18 season.
8 - 33 years & 189 days - Regis - 1991-92 season.
9 - 33 years & 160 days - Broadbent - 1966-67 season.
10 - 33 years & 130 days - Samba - 2017-18 season.
11 - 33 years & 94 days - Nilis - 2000-01 season.
12 - 33 years & 93 days - Johnsen - 2002-03 season.
13 - 33 years & 28 days - Lescott - 2015-16 season.
14 - 33 years & (unknown) days - Worrell - 1919-20 season.
15 - 32 years & 344 days - Cole - 2014-15 season.
16 - 32 years & 281 days - Holt - 2013-14 season.
17 - 32 years & 274 days - McAvennie - 1992-93 season.
18 - 32 years & 166 days - Powell - 1948-49 season.
19 - 32 years & 118 days - Mulraney - 1948-49 season.
20 - 32 years & 36 days - Leonhardsen - 2002-03 season.
Love Regis but that's a depressing list in terms of how effective our older newcomers have been. Hoping Terry will be the exception.
So then, only Bobby Pires was older when making their debuts (not including goalies).
Oldest outfield league debutants:
1 - 37 years & 23 days - Pires - 2010-11 season.
2 - 36 years & 241 days - Terry - 2017-18 season.
3 - 34 years & 259 days - Paton - 1889-90 season.
4 - 34 years & 72 days - Calderwood - 1998-99 season.
5 - 33 years & 225 days - Sutton - 2006-07 season.
6 - 33 years & 207 days - Ginola - 2000-01 season.
7 - 33 years & 204 days - Whelan - 2017-18 season.
8 - 33 years & 189 days - Regis - 1991-92 season.
9 - 33 years & 160 days - Broadbent - 1966-67 season.
10 - 33 years & 130 days - Samba - 2017-18 season.
11 - 33 years & 94 days - Nilis - 2000-01 season.
12 - 33 years & 93 days - Johnsen - 2002-03 season.
13 - 33 years & 28 days - Lescott - 2015-16 season.
14 - 33 years & (unknown) days - Worrell - 1919-20 season.
15 - 32 years & 344 days - Cole - 2014-15 season.
16 - 32 years & 281 days - Holt - 2013-14 season.
17 - 32 years & 274 days - McAvennie - 1992-93 season.
18 - 32 years & 166 days - Powell - 1948-49 season.
19 - 32 years & 118 days - Mulraney - 1948-49 season.
20 - 32 years & 36 days - Leonhardsen - 2002-03 season.
Love Regis but that's a depressing list in terms of how effective our older newcomers have been. Hoping Terry will be the exception.
Johnsen was pretty good for the time we had him.
So then, only Bobby Pires was older when making their debuts (not including goalies).
Oldest outfield league debutants:
1 - 37 years & 23 days - Pires - 2010-11 season.
2 - 36 years & 241 days - Terry - 2017-18 season.
3 - 34 years & 259 days - Paton - 1889-90 season.
4 - 34 years & 72 days - Calderwood - 1998-99 season.
5 - 33 years & 225 days - Sutton - 2006-07 season.
6 - 33 years & 207 days - Ginola - 2000-01 season.
7 - 33 years & 204 days - Whelan - 2017-18 season.
8 - 33 years & 189 days - Regis - 1991-92 season.
9 - 33 years & 160 days - Broadbent - 1966-67 season.
10 - 33 years & 130 days - Samba - 2017-18 season.
11 - 33 years & 94 days - Nilis - 2000-01 season.
12 - 33 years & 93 days - Johnsen - 2002-03 season.
13 - 33 years & 28 days - Lescott - 2015-16 season.
14 - 33 years & (unknown) days - Worrell - 1919-20 season.
15 - 32 years & 344 days - Cole - 2014-15 season.
16 - 32 years & 281 days - Holt - 2013-14 season.
17 - 32 years & 274 days - McAvennie - 1992-93 season.
18 - 32 years & 166 days - Powell - 1948-49 season.
19 - 32 years & 118 days - Mulraney - 1948-49 season.
20 - 32 years & 36 days - Leonhardsen - 2002-03 season.
Love Regis but that's a depressing list in terms of how effective our older newcomers have been. Hoping Terry will be the exception.
Johnsen was pretty good for the time we had him.
JT has been at Chelsea training ground as pictures on Pedro Instagram indicate I wonder if Bruce golf a buddy I been given night off ?! Even if he doesn't play I feel it's only right esp as club captain to be at match even if Carabao Cup tie. What are others thoughts on this ?? Him hanging out at Chelsea and not moving on . Colchester is Essex right Cobham isn't !100% agree.
I still hate John Terry.
A crap footballer, but seems like a decent bloke.
A crap footballer, but seems like a decent bloke.
I still hate John Terry.
This
I stand by my comments that this was an ego boost signing for Xia. the pathetic ribbing of Blues on twitter after we signed him still makes me cringe.
Still think Terry was a good idea? We've just come up against a little bit of pace and we got ripped apart.
Still think Terry was a good idea? We've just come up against a little bit of pace and we got ripped apart.
Chester and Hutton struggled with the pace. Terry didn't.
I'm not watching them
we should never have signed him and frankly I was amazed at the positive reception he had on the opening day and the amount of Terry shirts I saw. Once a cnunt always a cnunt
http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2017/08/15/leroy-rosenior-slates-john-terrys-start-at-aston-villa/ (http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2017/08/15/leroy-rosenior-slates-john-terrys-start-at-aston-villa/)
Not great if true.
http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2017/08/15/leroy-rosenior-slates-john-terrys-start-at-aston-villa/ (http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2017/08/15/leroy-rosenior-slates-john-terrys-start-at-aston-villa/)Probably not true. Rosenior struggles for work since the Championship was scoffed up by Sky and I think he's trying his hardest to be heard. What a boring article, there's nothing there, and if it was true then so what, who really cares. Going 2 hours down the road back home for an ice bath....crack on.
Not great if true.
Rosenior who has a contract with Premier League Brighton? Wish I struggled for work in a similar fashion.
Rosenior who has a contract with Premier League Brighton? Wish I struggled for work in a similar fashion.
That's Liam Rosenior.
Personally I rather him immerse him self in villa culture and be bonding with villa team mates off field.Paul Burrel loyalty, you mean in a few years time the Aston Villa trophy cabinets, nets and goal posts will all turn up mysteriously in JTs garage?
It's only a year . Needs to take on job and be local . Rosenior is right about letting go I question the other day when he appeared in Instagram photos .
Unlikely to build team spirit when the ex is around . You're with us now JT. This has gone Charles Diana and Camilla sniff about it . Similar scenario
We needed a Paul burrel loyalty not this 3 days non committal business
I didn't see him dishing out monumental bollockings for the shit we were enduring on Saturday and that is something I did expect.
I didn't see him dishing out monumental bollockings for the shit we were enduring on Saturday and that is something I did expect.
Exactly. I was led to believe he wouldn't accept second best from anyone. Captain, leader and all that.
Maybe the BMH curse has hit him too.
Wasn't there a story that Pires being driven chauffeur driven up from London every day or some such? Either way, that didn't turn out very well and my fear is the same for our big summer signing. Yet again, I hope I am way off the mark.
Made a great difference so farWhy did we sign this fuckwit? I wish I knew.
Chester really struggling alongside him which is a big worry.
I think he will walk away after 10 matchesI think in his 26th match he will asked to be subbed at 26 minutes and 26 minutes after the game finishes he will catch number 26 bus and will never be seen again.
Chester really struggling alongside him which is a big worry.
Chester's best game so far this season was down at Colchester. I personally think taking the captaincy off him was a mistake.
Chester really struggling alongside him which is a big worry.
Chester's best game so far this season was down at Colchester. I personally think taking the captaincy off him was a mistake.
I agree. I've never seen him play as badly as he did against Cardiff, think he made mistakes in that one game than he did in the whole of last season.
On ability, Terry should be the best defender in the division by a country mile, and with Chester who was very good last season, we should at least look competent in defence.
I like how Bruce reckons it was the fans getting carried away with the signing of Terry, when it was Fistface himself that was blathering on about how Terry finding a waiter to play guitar for him on his initiation song proved what a fine organiser and leader of men he was.
there was a good call into TalkSport after the game last night, noting that at Chelsea Terry was constantly 'in the ear' of the referee, cajoling his team-mates and generally leading the team. In his first 3 games at Villa he literally looks like he's strolling around. He's not made any mistakes, per se, but we're paying him stupid money to do what hie did for Chelsea, not just a slightly less adequate (and decade older) version of Nathan Baker. It looks like a an absolute clanger from Bruce so far.
See also, every time Johnstone had the ball in his hands. Not one defender showing for the ball. They all just skulk off so that he has to hoof it long and watch it come back.
See also, every time Johnstone had the ball in his hands. Not one defender showing for the ball. They all just skulk off so that he has to hoof it long and watch it come back.
Yeah, that was really irking me too. It happened so often that it must have been under instruction from Bruce. There was one point in the second half where De Laet did actually show for the ball and Johnstone waved him away to kick it long, straight back to an unchallenged Reading centre-back.
there was a good call into TalkSport after the game last night, noting that at Chelsea Terry was constantly 'in the ear' of the referee, cajoling his team-mates and generally leading the team. In his first 3 games at Villa he literally looks like he's strolling around. He's not made any mistakes, per se, but we're paying him stupid money to do what hie did for Chelsea, not just a slightly less adequate (and decade older) version of Nathan Baker. It looks like a an absolute clanger from Bruce so far.
Totally agree with this. And also he's not getting in the ears of the players around him. Last night, when their bloke was down getting treatment, Stam had got a number of players together to give them pointers. Bruce just scowled around the dugout, while Terry and most of the players just stood with their hands on hips. No fight, no leadership, no responsibility, no communication.
See also, every time Johnstone had the ball in his hands. Not one defender showing for the ball. They all just skulk off so that he has to hoof it long and watch it come back. We won about three bloody headers all night; and at no point did Terry or anyone say 'hang on a minute, we need to take control of this and change things around'.
See also, every time Johnstone had the ball in his hands. Not one defender showing for the ball. They all just skulk off so that he has to hoof it long and watch it come back.
Yeah, that was really irking me too. It happened so often that it must have been under instruction from Bruce. There was one point in the second half where De Laet did actually show for the ball and Johnstone waved him away to kick it long, straight back to an unchallenged Reading centre-back.
In Taylor's defence it did always look like Onomah was the only player upon who it had dawned to actually move and show for the ball from throw-ons. Another example of how un-rehearsed we are as a side.
throw ins ??
not that it should have its own thread but why oh why do we allow the opposing team to determine the line at throw ins. its been happening for years now when we are within 25-30 yards from the opposition box why doesn't one of our players go and stand on the goal line as you cant be offside from a throw in then it throws the complete team team onside
throw ins ??
not that it should have its own thread but why oh why do we allow the opposing team to determine the line at throw ins. its been happening for years now when we are within 25-30 yards from the opposition box why doesn't one of our players go and stand on the goal line as you cant be offside from a throw in then it throws the complete team team onside
The only time in living memory that I can remember the team ever having looked like they had anything even vaguely resembling a routine at throw-ins was under MON, when Carew would always drop into wherever the throw was being taken, and the player whos position he was occupying would push-on 5 yards higher up the pitch to collect the flick that Carew would inevitably win. A really, really simple thing, and one that probably took no more than 10 minutes on the training ground and a quick reminder before the game, but one that was so effective in allowing us to keep possession of the ball so often. I dont even think that should be classed as attention to detail, just basic footballing strategy, but its been sorely missing ever since MON left.
Has Terry shown any leadership as Captain, so far this season?
Has Terry shown any leadership as Captain, so far this season?
Based on what Bruce just said about him driving himself to Colchester and going into changing room to shake the young players' hands, yes.
Shit again tonight. How long do we persevere with him?
Was very lucky not to concede a pen imo.
I think his and our problem is he has realised he is playing for an idiot.You may be right. There were numerous times tonight where you saw the expressions on the players faces and looking over to the bench as if to say "What the fuck is going on? You don't know what you're doing" in particular from both Chester and Terry.
Well done fella. I wish we had won it for you.
He's easily the best centre half in the league. He doesn't get out of first gear and appears the tallest player on the pitch.That's fantastic.
He used his reputation to good effect. You don't give penalties against EBJT for hand ball. We didn't get it August 2013 at Stamford Bridge, some second division never beens won't be getting them either.
He's easily the best centre half in the league. He doesn't get out of first gear and appears the tallest player on the pitch.
He used his reputation to good effect. You don't give penalties against EBJT for hand ball. We didn't get it August 2013 at Stamford Bridge, some second division never beens won't be getting them either.
Well sure he's here to do a job for villa and as long as he does that - 3 clean sheets in row - then I should not grumble too much !
I be interested what he does if we get promoted when we play them provided chelsea are nt relegated of course !
I still hate him.
I hate John Terry, so I detoxified him, de-Terryfied him, if you like. He's now Gerald Appleyard, a previously unknown quantity from the lower leagues. He looks like a bit of a c***, but he's quickly becoming one of our most accomplished defenders. It works.
Was at Stamford Bridge to watch Chelsea v Arsenal yesterday...still seems to love going there and not moving on.
Tbh no issue just like to have Nathan baker come watch us sometime !
I think if JT has an injury he'll be straight on chelsea tv and on media for Chelsea champions league matches .
Was at Stamford Bridge to watch Chelsea v Arsenal yesterday...still seems to love going there and not moving on.
Tbh no issue just like to have Nathan baker come watch us sometime !
I think if JT has an injury he'll be straight on chelsea tv and on media for Chelsea champions league matches .
Why Baker? Why not Albrighton who was fucked about and pushed out of the club but still comes to a fair number of games even though he's got a league winners medal.
And Hourihane has been back to watch Barnsley.
No issues here, all I care about is what he does on the pitch and can he lead us to promotion?
Was at Stamford Bridge to watch Chelsea v Arsenal yesterday...still seems to love going there and not moving on.
Tbh no issue just like to have Nathan baker come watch us sometime !
I think if JT has an injury he'll be straight on chelsea tv and on media for Chelsea champions league matches .
Why Baker? Why not Albrighton who was fucked about and pushed out of the club but still comes to a fair number of games even though he's got a league winners medal.
Possibly Baker from a positional (and replacement) point of view? And I maybe wrong but hasn't Albrighton been back to watch us since he left?
And Hourihane has been back to watch Barnsley.
No issues here, all I care about is what he does on the pitch and can he lead us to promotion?
I still hate him.
Hes come in and had to meet new lads, and slowly but surely implement his character on the changing room.
“He’s come in and had to meet new lads, and slowly but surely implement his character on the changing room.
Oh god.
“He’s come in and had to meet new lads, and slowly but surely implement his character on the changing room.
Oh god.
Yep, he susses out whether they go home after training or not then nips round to their gaff before sloping back off to Lahndan.
Was at Stamford Bridge to watch Chelsea v Arsenal yesterday...still seems to love going there and not moving on.
Tbh no issue just like to have Nathan baker come watch us sometime !
I think if JT has an injury he'll be straight on chelsea tv and on media for Chelsea champions league matches .
Why Baker? Why not Albrighton who was fucked about and pushed out of the club but still comes to a fair number of games even though he's got a league winners medal.
Possibly Baker from a positional (and replacement) point of view? And I maybe wrong but hasn't Albrighton been back to watch us since he left?
Yes, lots of times, that's why I used him as the example. Some players will join a club as a fan or develop a strong affinity whilst playing. It just seemed strange to single out Baker when there's plenty of other former players who don't come to games and then used Marc as an example of a former player who clearly still has a great love for the club.
I though Gerald Appleyard had a good game on Saturday I'm pleased he seems to be finding his feet and settling in. One Gerald Appleyeard, there's only one Gerald Appleyard!!
It's not like this site is encrypted or anything. Reasoned criticism of one of our players is acceptable in my book, but personal abuse is uncalled for and potentially counter-productive, (I just hope he doesn't log into this site to check up on what we are saying about him) especially as, as far as I can see, he's behaved perfectly well since being here and is slowly imposing himself on the pitch and apparently in the dressing room too. Always think the best of people and you may get the best out of them.
I just hope he doesn't log into this site to check up on what we are saying about him
Terry is never going to stop loving Chelsea. We shouldn't expect it. If he keeps being the solid pro and putting in performances like Saturday then thats more than good enough for me. I am pleased with how he is working out. He doesnt seem to look down on us nor make trouble off or on the pitch. Good stuff so far.
I've had a read of the posts on here and decided to have a rethink and maybe give him a chance, clean slate and all that.If he has a great season and leads us to promotion will you, in hindsight, be glad that he played for us?
With that in mind, I still hate him and wish he wasn't anywhere near Aston Villa.
I've had a read of the posts on here and decided to have a rethink and maybe give him a chance, clean slate and all that.If he has a great season and leads us to promotion will you, in hindsight, be glad that he played for us?
With that in mind, I still hate him and wish he wasn't anywhere near Aston Villa.
I've had a read of the posts on here and decided to have a rethink and maybe give him a chance, clean slate and all that.If he has a great season and leads us to promotion will you, in hindsight, be glad that he played for us?
With that in mind, I still hate him and wish he wasn't anywhere near Aston Villa.
As he's here and there's sod all I can do about it, I hope that when he plays he does well and the team do well. I still can't stand him and hate seeing him in a Villa shirt.
As he's here and there's sod all I can do about it, I hope that when he plays he does well and the team do well. I still can't stand him and hate seeing him in a Villa shirt.
And what about Gerald Appleyard?
Terry is a great defender end of. Some narrow minded comments...
Terry is a great defender end of. Some narrow minded comments...
He’s had to go in, and I think he’s been asked by the manager to try and get things and standards and lifting everybody. And he’s doing that well, but it takes time sometimes
QuoteHe’s had to go in, and I think he’s been asked by the manager to try and get things and standards and lifting everybody. And he’s doing that well, but it takes time sometimes
Call me an old fashioned cynic but is this the real reason Bruce got him in - to motivate so he does not have to or seemingly can't do?
I've had a read of the posts on here and decided to have a rethink and maybe give him a chance, clean slate and all that.<clappy thing> :))
With that in mind, I still hate him and wish he wasn't anywhere near Aston Villa.
QuoteHes had to go in, and I think hes been asked by the manager to try and get things and standards and lifting everybody. And hes doing that well, but it takes time sometimes
Call me an old fashioned cynic but is this the real reason Bruce got him in - to motivate so he does not have to or seemingly can't do?
That does lead to an interesting discussion of what Bruce is actually doing:
-He isn't coaching, he rarely goes on the training ground by all accounts and last time we had a couple of weeks without a game he took a holiday.
-He appears to have delegated motivation to his captain based on that quote
-He doesn't seem to study the opposition because all too often we get caught out by things he should have known if he had.
-He doesn't do tactics (his own words).
He's not working to improve the scouting network of coaching structure, that's Round's job.
Have I missed anything?
QuoteHe’s had to go in, and I think he’s been asked by the manager to try and get things and standards and lifting everybody. And he’s doing that well, but it takes time sometimes
Call me an old fashioned cynic but is this the real reason Bruce got him in - to motivate so he does not have to or seemingly can't do?
That does lead to an interesting discussion of what Bruce is actually doing:
-He isn't coaching, he rarely goes on the training ground by all accounts and last time we had a couple of weeks without a game he took a holiday.
-He appears to have delegated motivation to his captain based on that quote
-He doesn't seem to study the opposition because all too often we get caught out by things he should have known if he had.
-He doesn't do tactics (his own words).
He's not working to improve the scouting network of coaching structure, that's Round's job.
Have I missed anything?
Press conferences 😊
I've had a read of the posts on here and decided to have a rethink and maybe give him a chance, clean slate and all that.
With that in mind, I still hate him and wish he wasn't anywhere near Aston Villa.
He seems to spend a lot of time at Chelsea for my liking. Sure he lives close by the training ground, and his connection to the club, but I would imagine that he was bought in to help guide the team and youngsters. which is tough if you're on holiday or at Chelsea a lot.
And 'it's been a horrible/unfortunate/awful* one * delete as appropriate.
He seems to spend a lot of time at Chelsea for my liking. Sure he lives close by the training ground, and his connection to the club, but I would imagine that he was bought in to help guide the team and youngsters. which is tough if you're on holiday or at Chelsea a lot.
Does he? How much time?
He seems to spend a lot of time at Chelsea for my liking. Sure he lives close by the training ground, and his connection to the club, but I would imagine that he was bought in to help guide the team and youngsters. which is tough if you're on holiday or at Chelsea a lot.
He seems to spend a lot of time at Chelsea for my liking. Sure he lives close by the training ground, and his connection to the club, but I would imagine that he was bought in to help guide the team and youngsters. which is tough if you're on holiday or at Chelsea a lot.
Does he? How much time?
QuoteHe’s had to go in, and I think he’s been asked by the manager to try and get things and standards and lifting everybody. And he’s doing that well, but it takes time sometimes
Call me an old fashioned cynic but is this the real reason Bruce got him in - to motivate so he does not have to or seemingly can't do?
That does lead to an interesting discussion of what Bruce is actually doing:
-He isn't coaching, he rarely goes on the training ground by all accounts and last time we had a couple of weeks without a game he took a holiday.
-He appears to have delegated motivation to his captain based on that quote
-He doesn't seem to study the opposition because all too often we get caught out by things he should have known if he had.
-He doesn't do tactics (his own words).
He's not working to improve the scouting network of coaching structure, that's Round's job.
Have I missed anything?
I've had a read of the posts on here and decided to have a rethink and maybe give him a chance, clean slate and all that.If he has a great season and leads us to promotion will you, in hindsight, be glad that he played for us?
With that in mind, I still hate him and wish he wasn't anywhere near Aston Villa.
Terry drove himself to Norwich, when he wasn't selected, or asked to go, just to support the other players. That's not someone who doesn't give a shit.
Terry drove himself to Norwich, when he wasn't selected, or asked to go, just to support the other players. That's not someone who doesn't give a shit.
We played Norwich at home didn't we? Colchester I think?
I think the schedule is he plays the Saturday game, day off Sunday which he spends in Surrey, comes up on Monday to train and stay up if there's a Tuesday game, day off Wednesday and then next two days prepares for the next weekend game.
Two days out of seven he'll spend at home and the rest up here.
I don't understand how a manager can do his job effectively without spending significant time at the Training Ground with the players.
Maybe not every day but most days.
The first thing is what do the players think if the Manager can't be bothered to turn up?
I don't know how common this is at Villa but would be concerned if true.
I don't understand how a manager can do his job effectively without spending significant time at the Training Ground with the players.
Maybe not every day but most days.
The first thing is what do the players think if the Manager can't be bothered to turn up?
I don't know how common this is at Villa but would be concerned if true.
I don't understand how a manager can do his job effectively without spending significant time at the Training Ground with the players.
Maybe not every day but most days.
The first thing is what do the players think if the Manager can't be bothered to turn up?
I don't know how common this is at Villa but would be concerned if true.
That's why they is a large team of coaches. Bruce likely doesn't have time to be on the training pitch all day everyday with running a team. He likely has meetings with the executives, medical team, scouts, coaches, planning schedules, reviewing opposition videos, discussing contracts for players and staff etc etc.
I don't understand how a manager can do his job effectively without spending significant time at the Training Ground with the players.
Maybe not every day but most days.
The first thing is what do the players think if the Manager can't be bothered to turn up?
I don't know how common this is at Villa but would be concerned if true.
That's why they is a large team of coaches. Bruce likely doesn't have time to be on the training pitch all day everyday with running a team. He likely has meetings with the executives, medical team, scouts, coaches, planning schedules, reviewing opposition videos, discussing contracts for players and staff etc etc.
No disrespect , canadian but having watched Villa this last twelve months, not sure Stevie wonder does any of the things you suggest. particularly watch videos of the opposition. maybe watches videoes of various eateries as he does seem to be piling the lard back on.
Of course they have to do all that and this is activity carried out at the training ground, so not turning up at BHI don't understand how a manager can do his job effectively without spending significant time at the Training Ground with the players.
Maybe not every day but most days.
The first thing is what do the players think if the Manager can't be bothered to turn up?
I don't know how common this is at Villa but would be concerned if true.
That's why they is a large team of coaches. Bruce likely doesn't have time to be on the training pitch all day everyday with running a team. He likely has meetings with the executives, medical team, scouts, coaches, planning schedules, reviewing opposition videos, discussing contracts for players and staff etc etc.
No disrespect , canadian but having watched Villa this last twelve months, not sure Stevie wonder does any of the things you suggest. particularly watch videos of the opposition. maybe watches videoes of various eateries as he does seem to be piling the lard back on.
You are quite likely correct. My comment was based on what I reckon a manager SHOULD be doing (in my own humble opinion of course)
I don't understand how a manager can do his job effectively without spending significant time at the Training Ground with the players.
Maybe not every day but most days.
The first thing is what do the players think if the Manager can't be bothered to turn up?
I don't know how common this is at Villa but would be concerned if true.
That's why they is a large team of coaches. Bruce likely doesn't have time to be on the training pitch all day everyday with running a team. He likely has meetings with the executives, medical team, scouts, coaches, planning schedules, reviewing opposition videos, discussing contracts for players and staff etc etc.
I don't understand how a manager can do his job effectively without spending significant time at the Training Ground with the players.
Maybe not every day but most days.
The first thing is what do the players think if the Manager can't be bothered to turn up?
I don't know how common this is at Villa but would be concerned if true.
That's why they is a large team of coaches. Bruce likely doesn't have time to be on the training pitch all day everyday with running a team. He likely has meetings with the executives, medical team, scouts, coaches, planning schedules, reviewing opposition videos, discussing contracts for players and staff etc etc.
Im sure he has been doing all that for all of the 4 months he has been with us
Not a dig, and I can't be arsed with a fight over it, but Bruce doesn't take a single training session with the team. He sometimes watches them, but doesn't take them himself.
So if Round's researching new players and Calderwood's taking training, WTF does he do?Makes a right mess of the post match press conference.
So if Round's researching new players and Calderwood's taking training, WTF does he do?
So if Round's researching new players and Calderwood's taking training, WTF does he do?
I don't understand how a manager can do his job effectively without spending significant time at the Training Ground with the players.
Maybe not every day but most days.
The first thing is what do the players think if the Manager can't be bothered to turn up?
I don't know how common this is at Villa but would be concerned if true.
That's why they is a large team of coaches. Bruce likely doesn't have time to be on the training pitch all day everyday with running a team. He likely has meetings with the executives, medical team, scouts, coaches, planning schedules, reviewing opposition videos, discussing contracts for players and staff etc etc.
No disrespect , canadian but having watched Villa this last twelve months, not sure Stevie wonder does any of the things you suggest. particularly watch videos of the opposition. maybe watches videoes of various eateries as he does seem to be piling the lard back on.
So if Round's researching new players and Calderwood's taking training, WTF does he do?
And Terry is instilling the professionalism and attitude needed, don't forget that.
Back on the topic of John Terry. Is there a reason there isn't a captain's column in the programme now? I think he did one for the Hull game and none since.
Back on the topic of John Terry. Is there a reason there isn't a captain's column in the programme now? I think he did one for the Hull game and none since.
Back on the topic of John Terry. Is there a reason there isn't a captain's column in the programme now? I think he did one for the Hull game and none since.
I was thinking at the weekend that we've never had a more anonymous captain. Nothing in the programme, nothing on the website, never on the telly giving interviews.
It's almost as if he doesn't give a shit.
Back on the topic of John Terry. Is there a reason there isn't a captain's column in the programme now? I think he did one for the Hull game and none since.
I was thinking at the weekend that we've never had a more anonymous captain. Nothing in the programme, nothing on the website, never on the telly giving interviews.
It's almost as if he doesn't give a shit.
Maybe he wants it that way because he doesn't want to overshadow the rest of the team.
Back on the topic of John Terry. Is there a reason there isn't a captain's column in the programme now? I think he did one for the Hull game and none since.
I was thinking at the weekend that we've never had a more anonymous captain. Nothing in the programme, nothing on the website, never on the telly giving interviews.
It's almost as if he doesn't give a shit.
Maybe he wants it that way because he doesn't want to overshadow the rest of the team.
So if Round's researching new players and Calderwood's taking training, WTF does he do?Works on his Book titled, Mediocre
Back on the topic of John Terry. Is there a reason there isn't a captain's column in the programme now? I think he did one for the Hull game and none since.
I was thinking at the weekend that we've never had a more anonymous captain. Nothing in the programme, nothing on the website, never on the telly giving interviews.
It's almost as if he doesn't give a shit.
Maybe he wants it that way because he doesn't want to overshadow the rest of the team.
Back on the topic of John Terry. Is there a reason there isn't a captain's column in the programme now? I think he did one for the Hull game and none since.
I was thinking at the weekend that we've never had a more anonymous captain. Nothing in the programme, nothing on the website, never on the telly giving interviews.
It's almost as if he doesn't give a shit.
Maybe he wants it that way because he doesn't want to overshadow the rest of the team.
He was explicitly brought in for his leadership skills. It's hardly textbook leadership to be publicly anonymous.
It's just a hunch but I expect that if and when we start challenging up at the top of the division we'll start to see him making more noise.
I think he's played a blinder. Slowly integrated himself in the club, not made a huge issue of his presence, never making it about him, quietly encouraging and leading. Quite the opposite of everything we thought might happen. He's made us a lot more solid. If we go up he won't be with us. I think he came in for one last go, and if he carries on playing it will be in the US. But casting aside his past reputation for a moment and just judging him on the here and now, he's been very good, and easily the best defender at this level.
His distribution, especially for a CB is quite outstanding.
Terry
I work 3 days per week in Manchester (including stop overs when required) and 2 days in Brum - there is no way I would uproot my family and move there full time so the business compromises. I see no problem with this with JT as long as his performances warrant it and up to now he has been (IMHO) the consummate professional - I agree with Dave when he was first announced it was 100% JT in the media so maybe a low profile is exactly what was needed. Watch him during a game and never stops barking orders out.
Bruce
Like the man but hate the football - But like Terry, if the results and performances are ok I could not give a toss if he is there or not
His distribution, especially for a CB is quite outstanding.
He likes the left diagonal for sure, and he delivers it.
He has been excellent, if we go up this season it will because we don't let many goals in. I also think he would fine at Prem level for another season if we went up.
Nothing in life is cast in stone except you age. People can view things differently 12 months on when emotion has disappeared.He has been excellent, if we go up this season it will because we don't let many goals in. I also think he would fine at Prem level for another season if we went up.
I think he quoted one of the reasons he came to us was that he couldn't face playing for another PL club, so even if we go up and we think he's worth it, he's unlikely to want to stay.
I bet he was saving his debut goal for Fulham - once a Chelsea player, always a Chelsea player. The Fulham fans lost their shit when he celebrated in front of them.
He's a horrible bastard but he's our horrible bastard.
We haven't had a horrible bastard for decades. It feels good...I bet he was saving his debut goal for Fulham - once a Chelsea player, always a Chelsea player. The Fulham fans lost their shit when he celebrated in front of them.
He's a horrible bastard but he's our horrible bastard.
He's also our extremely talented and capable horrible bastard, the best kind of horrible bastard there is.
I was one of Terry's biggest detractors and really, really did not want him to join our club.
There is no doubt that he has settled extremely well has quietly gone about his about his business without giving it the 'billy big bollox' that he could have.
He has been very, very impressive and I think he is now getting accustomed to playing at this level and he is improving us game by game.
All that said, my previous hate for the bloke has not suddenly gone away.
I can tolerate him playing for us now, and appreciate how is playing. I can clap something good he does but that's about as far as my 'adulation' goes.
I bet he was saving his debut goal for Fulham - once a Chelsea player, always a Chelsea player. The Fulham fans lost their shit when he celebrated in front of them.
He's a horrible bastard but he's our horrible bastard.
I bet he was saving his debut goal for Fulham - once a Chelsea player, always a Chelsea player. The Fulham fans lost their shit when he celebrated in front of them.
He's a horrible bastard but he's our horrible bastard.
I know they're next door to each other but I never remembered Fulham-Chelsea being a cauldron of hatred when both played each other in the prem.
Chelsea obviously occupy themselves with Spurs, West Ham and Arsenal. Fulham's main derby has always been QPR unless that's changed. Brentford have muscled in on recent times.
I assume it was more just Fulham fans taking a pop at a famous controversial player who's dropped down to this league.
I bet he was saving his debut goal for Fulham - once a Chelsea player, always a Chelsea player. The Fulham fans lost their shit when he celebrated in front of them.
He's a horrible bastard but he's our horrible bastard.
I know they're next door to each other but I never remembered Fulham-Chelsea being a cauldron of hatred when both played each other in the prem.
Chelsea obviously occupy themselves with Spurs, West Ham and Arsenal. Fulham's main derby has always been QPR unless that's changed. Brentford have muscled in on recent times.
I assume it was more just Fulham fans taking a pop at a famous controversial player who's dropped down to this league.
I think it's akin to Villa Blues. To Chelsea, Fulham is a minor irritant. To Fulham, beating Chelsea makes their season.
Anyone else still of the view that we didn't need him because the defence was sorted and we had baker?
Anyone else still of the view that we didn't need him because the defence was sorted and we had baker?
Baker's new team have only lost two games this season. They're the only two games which Baker hasn't played in.
Anyone else still of the view that we didn't need him because the defence was sorted and we had baker?
Baker's new team have only lost two games this season. They're the only two games which Baker hasn't played in.
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Now he’s settled in and scored I’ve had to reassess my opinion of him once again.
I still hate him and wish he wasn’t an Aston Villa player.
Now he’s settled in and scored I’ve had to reassess my opinion of him once again.
I still hate him and wish he wasn’t an Aston Villa player.
Exactly my feelings too. Plus, he was atrocious in the build up to their goal. Should have stepped up to get the ball, but retreated because of his crippling lack of pace. We need someone to compliment Chester if we go up, not have someone with the exact same weaknesses. He might be alright to help us get promoted this year, but I still wish he wasn't here.
Now he’s settled in and scored I’ve had to reassess my opinion of him once again.
I still hate him and wish he wasn’t an Aston Villa player.
Exactly my feelings too. Plus, he was atrocious in the build up to their goal. Should have stepped up to get the ball, but retreated because of his crippling lack of pace. We need someone to compliment Chester if we go up, not have someone with the exact same weaknesses. He might be alright to help us get promoted this year, but I still wish he wasn't here.
What did he do in the build up to their goal? It was a direct free kick.
Now he’s settled in and scored I’ve had to reassess my opinion of him once again.
I still hate him and wish he wasn’t an Aston Villa player.
Exactly my feelings too. Plus, he was atrocious in the build up to their goal. Should have stepped up to get the ball, but retreated because of his crippling lack of pace. We need someone to compliment Chester if we go up, not have someone with the exact same weaknesses. He might be alright to help us get promoted this year, but I still wish he wasn't here.
What did he do in the build up to their goal? It was a direct free kick.
Perhaps he could've got his hand to it?
You are all so beastly to the fellow.
Anyone else still of the view that we didn't need him because the defence was sorted and we had baker?
Anyone else still of the view that we didn't need him because the defence was sorted and we had baker?
hahaha yeah because we were shipping goals left right and centre last season, that's why we only conceded 48 goals in a 46 game season.
yes our defence is good with Terry in it but lets not rewrite history.
Anyone else still of the view that we didn't need him because the defence was sorted and we had baker?
hahaha yeah because we were shipping goals left right and centre last season, that's why we averaged less than a goal a game.
yes our defence is good with Terry in it but lets not rewrite history.
Anyone else still of the view that we didn't need him because the defence was sorted and we had baker?
hahaha yeah because we were shipping goals left right and centre last season, that's why we averaged less than a goal a game.
yes our defence is good with Terry in it but lets not rewrite history.
Baker’s biggest failing is that he cannot pass the ball. Yes, he’s strong, brave and wholehearted but he is a very limited player. Having Terry has made us a better team overall.
Anyone else still of the view that we didn't need him because the defence was sorted and we had baker?
hahaha yeah because we were shipping goals left right and centre last season, that's why we averaged less than a goal a game.
yes our defence is good with Terry in it but lets not rewrite history.
Baker’s biggest failing is that he cannot pass the ball. Yes, he’s strong, brave and wholehearted but he is a very limited player. Having Terry has made us a better team overall.
All I want from a central defender is being able to defend anything else is a bonus. As I said 48 goals from 46 games is more than good enough in my book. I'm just relieved I defence is still good this season. The vital bit that seems to have changed is we have started to score goals
Anyone else still of the view that we didn't need him because the defence was sorted and we had baker?
hahaha yeah because we were shipping goals left right and centre last season, that's why we averaged less than a goal a game.
yes our defence is good with Terry in it but lets not rewrite history.
Baker’s biggest failing is that he cannot pass the ball. Yes, he’s strong, brave and wholehearted but he is a very limited player. Having Terry has made us a better team overall.
All I want from a central defender is being able to defend anything else is a bonus. As I said 48 goals from 46 games is more than good enough in my book. I'm just relieved I defence is still good this season. The vital bit that seems to have changed is we have started to score goals
We are scoring goals because the defence needs less protection and is less likely to hoof the ball straight back to the opposition.
Anyone else still of the view that we didn't need him because the defence was sorted and we had baker?
hahaha yeah because we were shipping goals left right and centre last season, that's why we averaged less than a goal a game.
yes our defence is good with Terry in it but lets not rewrite history.
Baker’s biggest failing is that he cannot pass the ball. Yes, he’s strong, brave and wholehearted but he is a very limited player. Having Terry has made us a better team overall.
Anyone else still of the view that we didn't need him because the defence was sorted and we had baker?
hahaha yeah because we were shipping goals left right and centre last season, that's why we averaged less than a goal a game.
yes our defence is good with Terry in it but lets not rewrite history.
Baker’s biggest failing is that he cannot pass the ball. Yes, he’s strong, brave and wholehearted but he is a very limited player. Having Terry has made us a better team overall.
I quite liked Baker, but his distribution was a bit lacking to be polite about it, and he never seemed that far from an injury. Or a game-changing clanger.
I always rated him as a player and didn't get too wrapped up in the off field stuff although it was hard to actually say you liked him. My main annoyance was his attempts to referee every game he played in.
We are scoring goals because the defence needs less protection and is less likely to hoof the ball straight back to the opposition.Other than the last 15 minutes yesterday.😉
I'm grudgingly coming round to the fact that he's our player.
Ah bollocks, he's been excellent, and looks a class apart. Apart from a shaky first two or three weeks, he's just quietly and without fuss got on with things, and seems to be getting better and better. Hopefully he'll be starting to chip in with a few more goals from set pieces too, as he should be very dominant in those positions.
I still don't like him.
I still don't like him.
When it comes down to it he is an employee doing a job, we can admire the work without having to like the man.
I wonder why he elected to come to us when he must have had more attractive footballing and financial options? I thought he completely unbalanced our defense in the first few games but by and large he has had a positive impact and for that i am grateful. As to like or dislike it's irrelevant - as my old Marketing Director used to say - you don't have to like me, but you do have to respect me.
I wonder why he elected to come to us when he must have had more attractive footballing and financial options? I thought he completely unbalanced our defense in the first few games but by and large he has had a positive impact and for that i am grateful. As to like or dislike it's irrelevant - as my old Marketing Director used to say - you don't have to like me, but you do have to respect me.Was your Marketing Director Il Duce?
ha! he was a hard as nails Liverpudlian my then company recruited from McKinsey's - probably the world's leading management consultancy back then. I never really warmed to him as a person but had total respect for his professionalism and learned more from him than anyone else in any company I worked for.
ha! he was a hard as nails Liverpudlian my then company recruited from McKinsey's - probably the world's leading management consultancy back then. I never really warmed to him as a person but had total respect for his professionalism and learned more from him than anyone else in any company I worked for.
loath him Terry is a big ass
There is zero chance terry was ever going to Blues. I mean, the man is not an idiot.
There is zero chance terry was ever going to Blues. I mean, the man is not an idiot.
Exactly, he was never gonna go there. It was just another in a long line of Redknapp’s tall tales and they lapped it up his bullshit.
There is zero chance terry was ever going to Blues. I mean, the man is not an idiot.
Like him or loath him Terry is a big asset for us at the moment and i'm more than happy with that.
As much as I'm not a fan of 'Arry I'm pretty glad it did as I think he would have turned them around. I don't know what the owners were thinking (unless of course Cotterill was the one really responsible for keeping them up last year and his absence was the reason why they were doing crap?).There is zero chance terry was ever going to Blues. I mean, the man is not an idiot.
Exactly, he was never gonna go there. It was just another in a long line of Redknapp’s tall tales and they lapped it up his bullshit.
He was in so many ways the perfect manager for them. It's a shame it had to end.
As much as I'm not a fan of 'Arry I'm pretty glad it did as I think he would have turned them around. I don't know what the owners were thinking (unless of course Cotterill was the one really responsible for keeping them up last year and his absence was the reason why they were doing crap?).There is zero chance terry was ever going to Blues. I mean, the man is not an idiot.
Exactly, he was never gonna go there. It was just another in a long line of Redknapp’s tall tales and they lapped it up his bullshit.
He was in so many ways the perfect manager for them. It's a shame it had to end.
Well I'll whole heartedly take either of those scenarios. In fact I think I'll find it easier to sleep tonight with those nice thoughts, cheers LeeB.As much as I'm not a fan of 'Arry I'm pretty glad it did as I think he would have turned them around. I don't know what the owners were thinking (unless of course Cotterill was the one really responsible for keeping them up last year and his absence was the reason why they were doing crap?).There is zero chance terry was ever going to Blues. I mean, the man is not an idiot.
Exactly, he was never gonna go there. It was just another in a long line of Redknapp’s tall tales and they lapped it up his bullshit.
He was in so many ways the perfect manager for them. It's a shame it had to end.
He was taking them down crashing and burning, and the whole would have played out through his very mouth on any media outlet which would listen, which of course is all of them.
It would have been brilliant. As it is they'll just go down boringly now.
His big game mentality will be invaluable for Sunday's game. Yet another reason why I'm confident we'll win.
His big game mentality will be invaluable for Sunday's game. Yet another reason why I'm confident we'll win.
I totally agree. He thrives on pressure and will thrive on being targeted by the noses. He has been targeted by fans of some of the biggest clubs in England and Europe so I don't think just over 20,000 of them lot will worry him.
cometh the hour
cometh the man
tomorrow will be john terrys hour
His happy birthday video to Dr. Tony was cringe worthy.
Absolutely excellent tonight.
Didn't Sky show some weird stat that he has the most clean sheets in English football or something crazy?
Didn't Sky show some weird stat that he has the most clean sheets in English football or something crazy?
That's because he's always in someone else's bed.
Didn't Sky show some weird stat that he has the most clean sheets in English football or something crazy?
That's because he's always in someone else's bed.
Ba Boom! :)
Didn't Sky show some weird stat that he has the most clean sheets in English football or something crazy?
That's because he's always in someone else's bed.
Ba Boom! :)
Even Scott Hogan would have buried that one it was such a perfect set up.
Too good for the Championship, but I'm glad he's here.I am fickle where JT is concerned. Ha ha.
I love John Terry.
His fitness has been a pleasant surprise aswell.He hasn't missed a minute yet
Thought he'd struggle to play the midweek games given his age but don't think he's missed a league game yet?
Alongside Chester he's better than anything we currently have even allowing for his years and his lack of pace. His added experience and know how will definitely add something. I don't think we'll be too guilty of the defence being 'all over the place' in games next season.
Having said all that, I don't really want him here and would rather as others have suggested opted for a younger player with potential. If you're Steve Bruce with only this season to get the job done you're not going to take that risk if you can bring in Terry.
Alongside Chester he's better than anything we currently have even allowing for his years and his lack of pace. His added experience and know how will definitely add something. I don't think we'll be too guilty of the defence being 'all over the place' in games next season.
Having said all that, I don't really want him here and would rather as others have suggested opted for a younger player with potential. If you're Steve Bruce with only this season to get the job done you're not going to take that risk if you can bring in Terry.
I’m not one to blow my own trumpet but I’ll make an exception here.
With the state they are in I wonder if Everton's highly paid director of football and former top flight centre half Steve Walsh regrets not trying to change John Terry's mind about staying in the Premier League.
I'm still in the 'hate the bloke and can't wait for him to b*gger off at the end of the season' camp.
I'm still in the 'hate the bloke and can't wait for him to b*gger off at the end of the season' camp.
Will you cheer when he lifts the FA Cup for us in May? That would be the ultimate dilemma.
What, you predicted that one of the best defenders in the Premier League for the last 10 years and captain of a multiple trophy winning team and former England Captain would do ok in the Championship?Alongside Chester he's better than anything we currently have even allowing for his years and his lack of pace. His added experience and know how will definitely add something. I don't think we'll be too guilty of the defence being 'all over the place' in games next season.
Having said all that, I don't really want him here and would rather as others have suggested opted for a younger player with potential. If you're Steve Bruce with only this season to get the job done you're not going to take that risk if you can bring in Terry.
I’m not one to blow my own trumpet but I’ll make an exception here.
I'm still in the 'hate the bloke and can't wait for him to b*gger off at the end of the season' camp.
Will you cheer when he lifts the FA Cup for us in May? That would be the ultimate dilemma.
I thought more likely scores last minute winner in play-offs final.
I'm still in the 'hate the bloke and can't wait for him to b*gger off at the end of the season' camp.
Will you cheer when he lifts the FA Cup for us in May? That would be the ultimate dilemma.
I certainly do not look to him to be a role model off the pitch and never have.
Once settled after a dodgy start he has become clearly the best CH we have had since God. The class he shows in doing his job whilst looking like not breaking sweat is a joy to watch. I noticed more last night in the first half (as I was close to the pitch) how much he controls what others do also and he reads a through ball before the guy actually hits it - he really should win championship player of the year. I think Chester must love playing with him.
I criticise Bruce for many things, justifiably so in my mind, but the Terry signing could well be a stroke of genius
Poor old Laursen and Mellberg.
What, you predicted that one of the best defenders in the Premier League for the last 10 years and captain of a multiple trophy winning team and former England Captain would do ok in the Championship?Alongside Chester he's better than anything we currently have even allowing for his years and his lack of pace. His added experience and know how will definitely add something. I don't think we'll be too guilty of the defence being 'all over the place' in games next season.
Having said all that, I don't really want him here and would rather as others have suggested opted for a younger player with potential. If you're Steve Bruce with only this season to get the job done you're not going to take that risk if you can bring in Terry.
I’m not one to blow my own trumpet but I’ll make an exception here.
Take a bow Nostradamus.
Can't compare them, Mellberg and Laursen were coming up against top class strikers each week, whereas the number 26 isn't.
I thought his reffing of the game last night was exemplary. He played well in defence as well.
Can't compare them, Mellberg and Laursen were coming up against top class strikers each week, whereas the number 26 isn't.
Of course JT hasn’t faced any top class strikers throughout his career
Can't compare them, Mellberg and Laursen were coming up against top class strikers each week, whereas the number 26 isn't.
Of course JT hasn’t faced any top class strikers throughout his career
Nobody has said otherwise. Someone suggested that he was our best defender since Paul McGrath. For that you have to take into account his Villa form only, and for that you have to take into account the standard of the opposition.
Can't compare them, Mellberg and Laursen were coming up against top class strikers each week, whereas the number 26 isn't.
Of course JT hasnt faced any top class strikers throughout his career
it’s a fairly pointless argument
Can't compare them, Mellberg and Laursen were coming up against top class strikers each week, whereas the number 26 isn't.
Of course JT hasn’t faced any top class strikers throughout his career
'JT'.
See also JPA, MON, SGT, HDE. It’s just using initials to save writing the whole name. Nothing more intriguing than that.
Don't like him. Still don't think CB was a position we needed to spunk 60k per week on based on the effectiveness of the pair last season.
But after a ropey start, he has improved. The concern is that at that age, if the legs do go, it will be a pretty rapid decline.
But on recent form, he can't be classed in the Lescott, Richards or countless other big-name-on-a-downward-spiral category; that is, Shitehawks who have rinsed the club dry recent years. That was my fear when we signed him.
No I said I thought he’d be an excellent signing. Can’t recall if I posted or not but suspect I did.What, you predicted that one of the best defenders in the Premier League for the last 10 years and captain of a multiple trophy winning team and former England Captain would do ok in the Championship?Alongside Chester he's better than anything we currently have even allowing for his years and his lack of pace. His added experience and know how will definitely add something. I don't think we'll be too guilty of the defence being 'all over the place' in games next season.
Having said all that, I don't really want him here and would rather as others have suggested opted for a younger player with potential. If you're Steve Bruce with only this season to get the job done you're not going to take that risk if you can bring in Terry.
I’m not one to blow my own trumpet but I’ll make an exception here.
Take a bow Nostradamus.
He had his age..implying he was past it, his lack of pace, here for easy money, we could have got better for the money and whatever thrown at him when he first signed to add to the general dislike of the person. I don't know what your stance was from the start. Did you sit on the fence perhaps?
Think Terry is a massive ass
Genius.Think Terry is a massive ass
Fixed!
I still can't stand the fucker but must concede his form over the past couple of months has been excellent. Best central defender in the league and also the best referee.
avoid injury and keep the JT Show on the furthest of back burners.
Put Jedi in the centre of defence. Better than Samba.
Where is this being reported?
Must still be only suspected, surely?
Pretty naive expecting both centre backs to go injury free with little in reserve, especially when one is 36. Imagine if Chester picks up a knock now we'll be truly screwed
I’d still Jedinak at centreback till Terry returns. I have a soft spot for Samba but I just don’t trust him for 90 minutes especially on the deck.
I’d still Jedinak at centreback till Terry returns. I have a soft spot for Samba but I just don’t trust him for 90 minutes especially on the deck.
It was so utterly inevitable that we'd concede again when Samba came on.
Terry out?
We have plenty of cover and 2 good defensive central midfield players.
it just needs a manager with the skill to deploy the resources we have effectively.
Thats a different point.We have plenty of cover and 2 good defensive central midfield players.
it just needs a manager with the skill to deploy the resources we have effectively.
Sorry but i don't see anyone who can do Terry's job to anywhere like his standard.
Has it been said he requires surgery? 6-8 weeks in the standard after a quick sweep of the wwwTrue...I'm guessing not if he's sitting at home with a big wellie on.
Metatarsal 8 weeks in plaster then recovery. Maybe K wires if the break is bad.
I am sorry that he is injured but this one injury is not going to or should not derail us. We have other bigger issues that need fixing.
It'll be Samba. I know it, you know it...
I run a Credit Department so in my expert opinion I don’t have a clue how long he will be out for.
Tom do you see what you did?I still can't stand the fucker but must concede his form over the past couple of months has been excellent. Best central defender in the league and also the best referee.
Don't want to tempt fate, but I think him and Chester are a better defensive partnership than the ones at a number of Premier League clubs at the moment.
Having to replace Terry with Samba is like replacing Mila Kunis with Bella Emberg - for 12 fucking weeks!
With our money, how has of come to this?
Having to replace Terry with Samba is like replacing Mila Kunis with Bella Emberg - for 12 fucking weeks!
With our money, how has of come to this?
Are you suggesting we should have bought a player as good as John Terry only to play him whenever Terry is injured? We have defensive back up in Samba and Elphick, they are not as good as the first choice, but isn't that the nature of back up?
Having to replace Terry with Samba is like replacing Mila Kunis with Bella Emberg - for 12 fucking weeks!Bella Emberg is a far far better actor.
Having to replace Terry with Samba is like replacing Mila Kunis with Bella Emberg - for 12 fucking weeks!
With our money, how has of come to this?
Are you suggesting we should have bought a player as good as John Terry only to play him whenever Terry is injured? We have defensive back up in Samba and Elphick, they are not as good as the first choice, but isn't that the nature of back up?
No. I'm suggesting that Samba is NOWHERE NEAR an adequate back up for Terry. Go look at Bella Emberg v Mila Kunis, and you should get it.
Having to replace Terry with Samba is like replacing Mila Kunis with Bella Emberg - for 12 fucking weeks!
With our money, how has of come to this?
Are you suggesting we should have bought a player as good as John Terry only to play him whenever Terry is injured? We have defensive back up in Samba and Elphick, they are not as good as the first choice, but isn't that the nature of back up?
No. I'm suggesting that Samba is NOWHERE NEAR an adequate back up for Terry. Go look at Bella Emberg v Mila Kunis, and you should get it.
Ah, so it's appearance you're interested in rather than effectiveness.
I’ve no idea who Mila Kunis is, are they a defender?
I would replace him with Jedinak. The only good news about Terry's injury is he will came back fully refreshed, at nearly 37 it would've been hard for him to keep up the level of performances, we've seen to date.
Onomah is our only quality midfielder, but he's still a bit hit or miss, need Jack to find the form he was in, when he first established himself in the team, if we are going to have a chance of automatic promotion.
Villa owner Dr Xia Jiantong (Tony) PhD, Professor, Entrepreneur and Genius Billionaire has revealed Terry is set to miss up to 10 weeks of the season.
Villa owner Dr Xia Jiantong (Tony) PhD, Professor, Entrepreneur and Genius Billionaire has revealed Terry is set to miss up to 10 weeks of the season.
Having to replace Terry with Samba is like replacing Mila Kunis with Bella Emberg - for 12 fucking weeks!
With our money, how has of come to this?
Are you suggesting we should have bought a player as good as John Terry only to play him whenever Terry is injured? We have defensive back up in Samba and Elphick, they are not as good as the first choice, but isn't that the nature of back up?
No. I'm suggesting that Samba is NOWHERE NEAR an adequate back up for Terry. Go look at Bella Emberg v Mila Kunis, and you should get it.
Ah, so it's appearance you're interested in rather than effectiveness.
Well, if an 80 year old Bella Emberg is more effective (successful in producing a desired or intended result) for you than Mila Kunis, who am I to argue. 😉
Why are people so desperate to drop Samba? Fair enough if he plays badly, but when he's done well, and scored, I see no sense in it.Samba did okay in the air, on Saturday. He looked very cumbersome and slow on the turn. He'll get mullered by a half-decent quick strikeforce.
Jedinak will be in no fit state to play at QPR after travelling to Australia and Honduras in the preceding week, anyway.
By all means stick him in for the next game if Samba underperforms.
Sheffield Wednesday have Rhodes and Hooper. Bristol City are near the top of the league, he didn't get "mullered" by either. Jedinak struggles after international games. It would be madness to drop Samba after a good performance and a goal to bung Jedinak in after travelling further than Phileas Fogg in the week before.
Why are people so desperate to drop Samba? Fair enough if he plays badly, but when he's done well, and scored, I see no sense in it.
Jedinak will be in no fit state to play at QPR after travelling to Australia and Honduras in the preceding week, anyway.
By all means stick him in for the next game if Samba underperforms.
We did ok with Jedi in centre of our defence in the final third of last season.
2 weeks of Terry’s (not allowed to say JT in case I upset CJ) absence will be the international break, so maybe 6 weeks playing time without him? Not so bad in the scheme of things
I'd rather see Jedinak playing in front of Samba and ChesterHutton and Taylor can manage the left side between them ....
Sheffield Wednesday have Rhodes and Hooper. Bristol City are near the top of the league, he didn't get "mullered" by either. Jedinak struggles after international games. It would be madness to drop Samba after a good performance and a goal to bung Jedinak in after travelling further than Phileas Fogg in the week before.
I agree. Samba is 'next cab off the rank' and should be given a chance. My main concern about it would be having to move Chester to the left hand side of central defence though.
What is the actual story with Richards? If he has a bad knee or whatever can we just pay him off, claim some insurance and move on? His role of chief gee-er upper to motivate the players who actually play, or whatever it is he does, can surely be retired, much like him.
Sheffield Wednesday have Rhodes and Hooper. Bristol City are near the top of the league, he didn't get "mullered" by either. Jedinak struggles after international games. It would be madness to drop Samba after a good performance and a goal to bung Jedinak in after travelling further than Phileas Fogg in the week before.
I agree. Samba is 'next cab off the rank' and should be given a chance. My main concern about it would be having to move Chester to the left hand side of central defence though.
Doesn't Chester prefer playing on the left? I thought he moved across to accommodate Baker, and now Terry?
Well you've got your wish Chris. Hope you enjoy it.Terry out?
We need a poll but I know which way I would vote.
He said himself his knee is shot. I'm not sure why we don't cash in on insurance and bin him.
He said himself his knee is shot. I'm not sure why we don't cash in on insurance and bin him.
We've only got him insured for third party fire and theft
We've only got him insured for third party fire and theft
Well give him some petrol and matches and wait for the inevitable.
Best player to replace Terry is Jedinak by a Mile.
He said himself his knee is shot. I'm not sure why we don't cash in on insurance and bin him.
We've only got him insured for third party fire and theft
He said himself his knee is shot. I'm not sure why we don't cash in on insurance and bin him.
We've only got him insured for third party fire and theft
pity someone didnt steal (theft) him
Should Villa be negotiating a new contract with John Terry? I'd like him to be here another year.
Should Villa be negotiating a new contract with John Terry? I'd like him to be here another year.
When he got off the coach yesterday he didn't hide and faced abuse from the Rangers fans proper leader.
When he got off the coach yesterday he didn't hide and faced abuse from the Rangers fans proper leader.
You’re right. A proper captain.
When he got off the coach yesterday he didn't hide and faced abuse from the Rangers fans proper leader.
You’re right. A proper captain.
Hmm. Let's not forget that one reason he gets that vitriol from Rangers fans is because he racially abused one of their players. Hardly admirable.
You're a long time retired! Terry could surely play at least another year? He's not that motivated by the money. He's a multi-millionaire anyway.
You're a long time retired! Terry could surely play at least another year? He's not that motivated by the money. He's a multi-millionaire anyway.
Surely most multi-millionaires are multi-millionaires because they are motivated by money.
In his press conference today Bruce has said Terry could return before the new year, great news.Blimey; a bonus indeed.
AM just said back mid-January
and hopefully rub off onto some of the youngsters.
I was never a fan of Terry, I'm still in the great footballer, despicable human being camp but I have to admire his desire and attitude, long may it continue and hopefully rub off onto some of the youngsters.
I was never a fan of Terry, I'm still in the great footballer, despicable human being camp but I have to admire his desire and attitude, long may it continue and hopefully rub off onto some of the youngsters.
He has done some questionable things in the past without a doubt, but I think 'despicable human being' is a bit over the top.
He has done some pretty despicable things to be fair. I'm not convinced a racist outburst in the heat of a tough game truly defines him as a racist in the way he conducts every day life, but it's still pretty indefensible. So is shagging your team mates wife etc.I was never a fan of Terry, I'm still in the great footballer, despicable human being camp but I have to admire his desire and attitude, long may it continue and hopefully rub off onto some of the youngsters.
He has done some questionable things in the past without a doubt, but I think 'despicable human being' is a bit over the top.
Yes, I was only thinking the same thing as I read it.
John Terry Holte (https://talksport.com/football/watch-john-terry-run-and-down-gangways-aston-villas-holte-end-171212265283)😂
I'll give him this. He wants to make the most of this opportunity and you have to set aside personal feelings about who he is and have respect for his professionalism and dedication. It's good for the club in a football context to have him there and highly influential to the other players.
Gabby has a similar video where he stops a few times to smoke, drink and down a pie before falling asleep. I don't know if he finished the run.
John Terry Holte (https://talksport.com/football/watch-john-terry-run-and-down-gangways-aston-villas-holte-end-171212265283)
I'll give him this. He wants to make the most of this opportunity and you have to set aside personal feelings about who he is and have respect for his professionalism and dedication. It's good for the club in a football context to have him there and highly influential to the other players.
Gabby has a similar video where he stops a few times to smoke, drink and down a pie before falling asleep. I don't know if he finished the run.
John Terry Holte (https://talksport.com/football/watch-john-terry-run-and-down-gangways-aston-villas-holte-end-171212265283)
I'll give him this. He wants to make the most of this opportunity and you have to set aside personal feelings about who he is and have respect for his professionalism and dedication. It's good for the club in a football context to have him there and highly influential to the other players.
Gabby has a similar video where he stops a few times to smoke, drink and down a pie before falling asleep. I don't know if he finished the run.
'Professional footballer in doing-some-training shocker!'
Am I missing something here? Isn't trying to get fit as soon as possible what we pay him for?!
John Terry Holte (https://talksport.com/football/watch-john-terry-run-and-down-gangways-aston-villas-holte-end-171212265283)
I'll give him this. He wants to make the most of this opportunity and you have to set aside personal feelings about who he is and have respect for his professionalism and dedication. It's good for the club in a football context to have him there and highly influential to the other players.
Gabby has a similar video where he stops a few times to smoke, drink and down a pie before falling asleep. I don't know if he finished the run.
'Professional footballer in doing-some-training shocker!'
Am I missing something here? Isn't trying to get fit as soon as possible what we pay him for?!
It is, but as we've seen, we've had several players recently who can't even be bothered to do the very minimum required. When you've got wasters like Agbonlahor and McCormack, seeing somebody go a bit above and beyond what's required is good news, surely?
John Terry Holte (https://talksport.com/football/watch-john-terry-run-and-down-gangways-aston-villas-holte-end-171212265283)
I'll give him this. He wants to make the most of this opportunity and you have to set aside personal feelings about who he is and have respect for his professionalism and dedication. It's good for the club in a football context to have him there and highly influential to the other players.
Gabby has a similar video where he stops a few times to smoke, drink and down a pie before falling asleep. I don't know if he finished the run.
'Professional footballer in doing-some-training shocker!'
Am I missing something here? Isn't trying to get fit as soon as possible what we pay him for?!
It is, but as we've seen, we've had several players recently who can't even be bothered to do the very minimum required. When you've got wasters like Agbonlahor and McCormack, seeing somebody go a bit above and beyond what's required is good news, surely?
Sorry, I'm still struggling with this. How is a professional footballer training to get back to fitness going "above and beyond"?
Isn't that the absolute bare minimum expectation? Saying he's better than two guys who've clearly fallen way below expectations is hardly a ringing endorsement.
Yes, it's good that he's doing this and hopefully it clears up any doubt whatsoever in the mind of the kids that this is the sort of thing that's expected but as a club and a collection of fans, our expectations of our players should be way higher than being impressed by our captain doing some training.
John Terry Holte (https://talksport.com/football/watch-john-terry-run-and-down-gangways-aston-villas-holte-end-171212265283)Bloody slacker only ran around the lower Holte! What about the upper?!
I'll give him this. He wants to make the most of this opportunity and you have to set aside personal feelings about who he is and have respect for his professionalism and dedication. It's good for the club in a football context to have him there and highly influential to the other players.
Gabby has a similar video where he stops a few times to smoke, drink and down a pie before falling asleep. I don't know if he finished the run.
https://uk.yahoo.com/sports/news/aston-villa-captain-john-terry-shows-off-5425-personalised-monopoly-board-104604022.html (https://uk.yahoo.com/sports/news/aston-villa-captain-john-terry-shows-off-5425-personalised-monopoly-board-104604022.html)Haha! Ffs! Taking narcissism to the next level.
Been a great signing let's be honest, couple of shaky games early on but has dominated the division since. I like the way he hasn't gone around shouting the odds on the pitch like he could have. Has let his football do the talking, Chester and Johnstone have improved immeasurably next to him.
Much better with the ball at his feet than most of our midfielders. In my time watching English club football, there hasn't been a centre half to come close to his quality. I was cynical of his motives but he has been a consumate professional.
John Terry Holte (https://talksport.com/football/watch-john-terry-run-and-down-gangways-aston-villas-holte-end-171212265283)Bloody slacker only ran around the lower Holte! What about the upper?!
I'll give him this. He wants to make the most of this opportunity and you have to set aside personal feelings about who he is and have respect for his professionalism and dedication. It's good for the club in a football context to have him there and highly influential to the other players.
Gabby has a similar video where he stops a few times to smoke, drink and down a pie before falling asleep. I don't know if he finished the run.
Been a great signing let's be honest, couple of shaky games early on but has dominated the division since. I like the way he hasn't gone around shouting the odds on the pitch like he could have. Has let his football do the talking, Chester and Johnstone have improved immeasurably next to him.
Much better with the ball at his feet than most of our midfielders. In my time watching English club football, there hasn't been a centre half to come close to his quality. I was cynical of his motives but he has been a consumate professional.
You must have started watching English club football after 1996 then! ;)
Been a great signing let's be honest, couple of shaky games early on but has dominated the division since. I like the way he hasn't gone around shouting the odds on the pitch like he could have. Has let his football do the talking, Chester and Johnstone have improved immeasurably next to him.
Much better with the ball at his feet than most of our midfielders. In my time watching English club football, there hasn't been a centre half to come close to his quality. I was cynical of his motives but he has been a consumate professional.
You must have started watching English club football after 1996 then! ;)
Maybe just a few years before then! Huge McGrath fan but he didn't have a fraction of Terry's ability on the ball imo. Who else was at that level even in the 80s or early 90s ?
Been a great signing let's be honest, couple of shaky games early on but has dominated the division since. I like the way he hasn't gone around shouting the odds on the pitch like he could have. Has let his football do the talking, Chester and Johnstone have improved immeasurably next to him.
Much better with the ball at his feet than most of our midfielders. In my time watching English club football, there hasn't been a centre half to come close to his quality. I was cynical of his motives but he has been a consumate professional.
You must have started watching English club football after 1996 then! ;)
Maybe just a few years before then! Huge McGrath fan but he didn't have a fraction of Terry's ability on the ball imo. Who else was at that level even in the 80s or early 90s ?
I hope our commercial department have took notice of that Monopoly board or else they're missing a trick in the run up to christmas. I'd pay a premium for a special version of snakes and ladder endorsed by McCormack called Walls and ladders.. Richards could put his name to Connect4(passes) and i reckon they'd still be a market for a Kozak version of Operation.
I'll get me coat......
Maybe just a few years before then! Huge McGrath fan but he didn't have a fraction of Terry's ability on the ball imo. Who else was at that level even in the 80s or early 90s ?
Maybe just a few years before then! Huge McGrath fan but he didn't have a fraction of Terry's ability on the ball imo. Who else was at that level even in the 80s or early 90s ?
What utter nonsense. McGrath played in midfield as well, which you don't do if you're not handy with the ball.
Maybe just a few years before then! Huge McGrath fan but he didn't have a fraction of Terry's ability on the ball imo. Who else was at that level even in the 80s or early 90s ?
What utter nonsense. McGrath played in midfield as well, which you don't do if you're not handy with the ball.
Maybe just a few years before then! Huge McGrath fan but he didn't have a fraction of Terry's ability on the ball imo. Who else was at that level even in the 80s or early 90s ?
What utter nonsense. McGrath played in midfield as well, which you don't do if you're not handy with the ball.
Maybe just a few years before then! Huge McGrath fan but he didn't have a fraction of Terry's ability on the ball imo.
Maybe just a few years before then! Huge McGrath fan but he didn't have a fraction of Terry's ability on the ball imo.
Just seen this, admittedly I can't stand Terry as a footballer or a man but McGrath who played in midfield for his country and is without a doubt the best player I've ever seen in a Villa shirt is head and shoulders above Terry in every aspect of the game.
Yes indeed. Terry is ok but let's not hype him to McGrath like status.
Maybe just a few years before then! Huge McGrath fan but he didn't have a fraction of Terry's ability on the ball imo.
Just seen this, admittedly I can't stand Terry as a footballer or a man but McGrath who played in midfield for his country and is without a doubt the best player I've ever seen in a Villa shirt is head and shoulders above Terry in every aspect of the game.
Been a great signing let's be honest, couple of shaky games early on but has dominated the division since. I like the way he hasn't gone around shouting the odds on the pitch like he could have. Has let his football do the talking, Chester and Johnstone have improved immeasurably next to him.
Much better with the ball at his feet than most of our midfielders. In my time watching English club football, there hasn't been a centre half to come close to his quality. I was cynical of his motives but he has been a consumate professional.
McGrath was, quite literally, in a different league to Terry.
Few do, even Baresi wasn’t that great with the ball.
Huge McGrath fan but he didn't have a fraction of Terry's ability on the ball imo
Few do, even Baresi wasn’t that great with the ball.
Baresi was great with the ball? He was renowned for playing it out and starting attacks.
... and dont get me started on this:Huge McGrath fan but he didn't have a fraction of Terry's ability on the ball imo
did you see McGrath play?!
Terry is very good good, especially at 37 years of age. But he's no McGrath.
He’s just a very naughty boy.
This won’t make me popular, but I reckon terry rivals McGrath over his career
Only negative I'd say about God is it didn't quite happen for him at Man. United like it did for Terry at Chelsea. Fergie obviously wasn't tolerant about drinking so got him out otherwise he'd have had some league titles to his collection in early years of the premier league.
Of course then we'd never have been able to appreciate him here.
He was shit when it came to penalties.
Listening to John Terry on Sky tonight I'm convinced he's got a job lined up on the management staff when we do get promoted. He'll retire from playing once we've achieved promotion. His list of contacts are second to none.
Listening to John Terry on Sky tonight I'm convinced he's got a job lined up on the management staff when we do get promoted. He'll retire from playing once we've achieved promotion. His list of contacts are second to none.
I've no doubt that's the case, all this support for the team whilst injured isn't a sudden conversion to our club. Still, if we get something out of it then he's useful on and off the field.
Listening to John Terry on Sky tonight I'm convinced he's got a job lined up on the management staff when we do get promoted. He'll retire from playing once we've achieved promotion. His list of contacts are second to none.
I've no doubt that's the case, all this support for the team whilst injured isn't a sudden conversion to our club. Still, if we get something out of it then he's useful on and off the field.
All this support? He was watching Chelsea at the weekend rather than us.
Listening to John Terry on Sky tonight I'm convinced he's got a job lined up on the management staff when we do get promoted. He'll retire from playing once we've achieved promotion. His list of contacts are second to none.
I've no doubt that's the case, all this support for the team whilst injured isn't a sudden conversion to our club. Still, if we get something out of it then he's useful on and off the field.
All this support? He was watching Chelsea at the weekend rather than us.
Listening to John Terry on Sky tonight I'm convinced he's got a job lined up on the management staff when we do get promoted. He'll retire from playing once we've achieved promotion. His list of contacts are second to none.
I've no doubt that's the case, all this support for the team whilst injured isn't a sudden conversion to our club. Still, if we get something out of it then he's useful on and off the field.
All this support? He was watching Chelsea at the weekend rather than us.
Who could blame him?!
He's also driven himself to watch a game in East Anglia when he wasn't playing, was on the bench in others whilst injured. Do you expect him to be at every game?
Listening to John Terry on Sky tonight I'm convinced he's got a job lined up on the management staff when we do get promoted. He'll retire from playing once we've achieved promotion. His list of contacts are second to none.
I've no doubt that's the case, all this support for the team whilst injured isn't a sudden conversion to our club. Still, if we get something out of it then he's useful on and off the field.
All this support? He was watching Chelsea at the weekend rather than us.
Who could blame him?!
He's also driven himself to watch a game in East Anglia when he wasn't playing, was on the bench in others whilst injured. Do you expect him to be at every game?
As team captain and on the books of the Villa to the tune of £60k a week? Yes, I absolutely expect him to be there every game.
There seems to be an incredibly low expectation bar set for players these days - first he was lauded for doing some training and now he's being given a free pass to skip games when he'd rather go to watch Chelsea. If the cost of my season ticket is contributing to his extortionate salary he can suffer our "performances" just like me!
Do you really think all injured players go to all games?Listening to John Terry on Sky tonight I'm convinced he's got a job lined up on the management staff when we do get promoted. He'll retire from playing once we've achieved promotion. His list of contacts are second to none.
I've no doubt that's the case, all this support for the team whilst injured isn't a sudden conversion to our club. Still, if we get something out of it then he's useful on and off the field.
All this support? He was watching Chelsea at the weekend rather than us.
Who could blame him?!
He's also driven himself to watch a game in East Anglia when he wasn't playing, was on the bench in others whilst injured. Do you expect him to be at every game?
As team captain and on the books of the Villa to the tune of £60k a week? Yes, I absolutely expect him to be there every game.
There seems to be an incredibly low expectation bar set for players these days - first he was lauded for doing some training and now he's being given a free pass to skip games when he'd rather go to watch Chelsea. If the cost of my season ticket is contributing to his extortionate salary he can suffer our "performances" just like me!
Think we miss Terry more than "Kodger" in the grand scale of things.These are Gerald Appleyard's stats
Terry is very good good, especially at 37 years of age. But he's no McGrath.
He’s just a very naughty boy.
A great philosopher once wrote
Naughty, naughty, very naughty
E's are Good E's are Good
I think I'd rather he'd sit and watch the club who are paying his wages rather than another team to be honest but I'm not that annoyed about it either.I'm sure some Leicester fans will say the same about Marc Albrighton
I think I'd rather he'd sit and watch the club who are paying his wages rather than another team to be honest but I'm not that annoyed about it either.He can sit and watch dwarf porn as long as he keeps playing as well as he does and gets us promoted
I think I'd rather he'd sit and watch the club who are paying his wages rather than another team to be honest but I'm not that annoyed about it either.I'm sure some Leicester fans will say the same about Marc Albrighton
I think I'd rather he'd sit and watch the club who are paying his wages rather than another team to be honest but I'm not that annoyed about it either.
Think we miss Terry more than "Kodger" in the grand scale of things.These are Gerald Appleyard's stats
Played 16
won 7
Lost 4 (includes Sheff Wed game)
Drawn 5
Clean sheets 7
Goals against 13
Goals scored by team 22
Actual goals scored 1
Cheers Paul_e I considered adding JK's stats but I'm supposed to be doing Christmas shizzle (my failure at which will lead to Christmas Special edition of Apocalypse Now).Think we miss Terry more than "Kodger" in the grand scale of things.These are Gerald Appleyard's stats
Played 16
won 7
Lost 4 (includes Sheff Wed game)
Drawn 5
Clean sheets 7
Goals against 13
Goals scored by team 22
Actual goals scored 1
Going to amend this a little bit and then add the 'without' stats.
With Terry:
Played 16
Won 7 (44%)
Lost 4 (25%)
Drawn 5 (31%)
Clean sheets 7 (44%)
Goals against 13 (0.81 per game)
Total:
Played 22
Won 10 (45%)
Lost 5 (23%)
Drawn 7 (32%)
Clean sheets 9 (41%)
Goals against 18 (0.82)
The sample sizes aren't huge so it's hard to give any certainties but effectively Terry has made very little difference to us in measurable terms despite looking like he's a level above anyone else in this league.
Kodjia on the other hand single-handedly kept us out of a relegation battle last year and was in the team for the best spell of performances we've had this season (in fact the only part of the season where I'd argue we looked like top 2 contenders).
Terry is very good but you can't make a huge amount of difference to a team that concedes around a goal a game by adding defenders whereas better attacking options who can create chances from nothing will always add something so long as they're not at the expense of defensive stability.
Our major problem is the goals for column not the goals against. But I don't think anyone can seriously think that we aren't a better overall team with Terry playing. The club seriously needs to focus on our attacking prowess.The defence, including the keeper are good enough to get us promoted but it won't happen until we rattle the onion bag a lot more often.Think we miss Terry more than "Kodger" in the grand scale of things.These are Gerald Appleyard's stats
Played 16
won 7
Lost 4 (includes Sheff Wed game)
Drawn 5
Clean sheets 7
Goals against 13
Goals scored by team 22
Actual goals scored 1
Going to amend this a little bit and then add the 'without' stats.
With Terry:
Played 16
Won 7 (44%)
Lost 4 (25%)
Drawn 5 (31%)
Clean sheets 7 (44%)
Goals against 13 (0.81 per game)
Total:
Played 22
Won 10 (45%)
Lost 5 (23%)
Drawn 7 (32%)
Clean sheets 9 (41%)
Goals against 18 (0.82)
The sample sizes aren't huge so it's hard to give any certainties but effectively Terry has made very little difference to us in measurable terms despite looking like he's a level above anyone else in this league.
Kodjia on the other hand single-handedly kept us out of a relegation battle last year and was in the team for the best spell of performances we've had this season (in fact the only part of the season where I'd argue we looked like top 2 contenders).
Terry is very good but you can't make a huge amount of difference to a team that concedes around a goal a game by adding defenders whereas better attacking options who can create chances from nothing will always add something so long as they're not at the expense of defensive stability.
Out of Space is a belter!Terry is very good good, especially at 37 years of age. But he's no McGrath.
He’s just a very naughty boy.
A great philosopher once wrote
Naughty, naughty, very naughty
E's are Good E's are Good
Randomly went on a youtube journey this morning which ended up with me listening to that song for the first time in what must be a decade! Chris Moyles played a snippet of Cotton Eye Joe, I youtubed that, led me onto The Prodigy - Out of Space, The Grid -Swamp thing and finally a playlist of the Shamen's greatest hits. Musical Pioneers!
Listening to John Terry on Sky tonight I'm convinced he's got a job lined up on the management staff when we do get promoted. He'll retire from playing once we've achieved promotion. His list of contacts are second to none.
I've no doubt that's the case, all this support for the team whilst injured isn't a sudden conversion to our club. Still, if we get something out of it then he's useful on and off the field.
All this support? He was watching Chelsea at the weekend rather than us.
Who could blame him?!
He's also driven himself to watch a game in East Anglia when he wasn't playing, was on the bench in others whilst injured. Do you expect him to be at every game?
As team captain and on the books of the Villa to the tune of £60k a week? Yes, I absolutely expect him to be there every game.
There seems to be an incredibly low expectation bar set for players these days - first he was lauded for doing some training and now he's being given a free pass to skip games when he'd rather go to watch Chelsea. If the cost of my season ticket is contributing to his extortionate salary he can suffer our "performances" just like me!
Were you at Derby?
Our major problem is the goals for column not the goals against. But I don't think anyone can seriously think that we aren't a better overall team with Terry playing. The club seriously needs to focus on our attacking prowess.The defence, including the keeper are good enough to get us promoted but it won't happen until we rattle the onion bag a lot more often.
Yes!! Totally agree 👍 I'd vote for Out of Space for the teams to come out to at VP. That would get the place rockingOut of Space is a belter!Terry is very good good, especially at 37 years of age. But he's no McGrath.
He’s just a very naughty boy.
A great philosopher once wrote
Naughty, naughty, very naughty
E's are Good E's are Good
Randomly went on a youtube journey this morning which ended up with me listening to that song for the first time in what must be a decade! Chris Moyles played a snippet of Cotton Eye Joe, I youtubed that, led me onto The Prodigy - Out of Space, The Grid -Swamp thing and finally a playlist of the Shamen's greatest hits. Musical Pioneers!
Hahaha! I think that's a great idea - chaosYes!! Totally agree 👍 I'd vote for Out of Space for the teams to come out to at VP. That would get the place rockingOut of Space is a belter!Terry is very good good, especially at 37 years of age. But he's no McGrath.
He’s just a very naughty boy.
A great philosopher once wrote
Naughty, naughty, very naughty
E's are Good E's are Good
Randomly went on a youtube journey this morning which ended up with me listening to that song for the first time in what must be a decade! Chris Moyles played a snippet of Cotton Eye Joe, I youtubed that, led me onto The Prodigy - Out of Space, The Grid -Swamp thing and finally a playlist of the Shamen's greatest hits. Musical Pioneers!
Some are finding a way to get upset over absolutely nothing. He's not done anything to embarrass the club since arriving, dedicated himself while he played for us and is dedicating himself in trying to play again for us as soon as possible. He's here in a limited capacity, and in that context I accept he's not going to become "Villa" suddenly. What we are paying him is irrelevant because it's the going rate, and we have paid more for players who have given way less over a longer contract.Totally in a nutshell
That he ultimately does it on the pitch is all I care about.
Some are finding a way to get upset over absolutely nothing. He's not done anything to embarrass the club since arriving, dedicated himself while he played for us and is dedicating himself in trying to play again for us as soon as possible. He's here in a limited capacity, and in that context I accept he's not going to become "Villa" suddenly. What we are paying him is irrelevant because it's the going rate, and we have paid more for players who have given way less over a longer contract.
That he ultimately does it on the pitch is all I care about.
I can see why some would get upset comparing Gerald Appleyard (who so far has made 16 appearances for us in the 2nd division) with Paul McGrath who made 253 appearances for us in the top division. In my opinion (despite the comparisons) they shouldn't even be mentioned in the same paragraph ;-)Drop the Appleyard thing, it's pathetic beyond belief. But yes I agree, Terry is no Paul McGrath.
Can someone please tell me who the fuck Gerald Appleyard is?I can see why some would get upset comparing Gerald Appleyard (who so far has made 16 appearances for us in the 2nd division) with Paul McGrath who made 253 appearances for us in the top division. In my opinion (despite the comparisons) they shouldn't even be mentioned in the same paragraph ;-)Drop the Appleyard thing, it's pathetic beyond belief. But yes I agree, Terry is no Paul McGrath.
Yeah imagine everyone jumping around at the bass drop? I've even thought of lyrics "I'm an Aston Villa fan proud of what I am. I'm an Aston Villa fan proud of what I am" with the bass thundering around Villa Park. Aye.Hahaha! I think that's a great idea - chaosYes!! Totally agree 👍 I'd vote for Out of Space for the teams to come out to at VP. That would get the place rockingOut of Space is a belter!Terry is very good good, especially at 37 years of age. But he's no McGrath.
He’s just a very naughty boy.
A great philosopher once wrote
Naughty, naughty, very naughty
E's are Good E's are Good
Randomly went on a youtube journey this morning which ended up with me listening to that song for the first time in what must be a decade! Chris Moyles played a snippet of Cotton Eye Joe, I youtubed that, led me onto The Prodigy - Out of Space, The Grid -Swamp thing and finally a playlist of the Shamen's greatest hits. Musical Pioneers!
It's a name to replace 'John Terry' Some think is humorous. It's not.Can someone please tell me who the fuck Gerald Appleyard is?I can see why some would get upset comparing Gerald Appleyard (who so far has made 16 appearances for us in the 2nd division) with Paul McGrath who made 253 appearances for us in the top division. In my opinion (despite the comparisons) they shouldn't even be mentioned in the same paragraph ;-)Drop the Appleyard thing, it's pathetic beyond belief. But yes I agree, Terry is no Paul McGrath.
Thanks. And I agree. It's not funny.It's a name to replace 'John Terry' Some think is humorous. It's not.Can someone please tell me who the fuck Gerald Appleyard is?I can see why some would get upset comparing Gerald Appleyard (who so far has made 16 appearances for us in the 2nd division) with Paul McGrath who made 253 appearances for us in the top division. In my opinion (despite the comparisons) they shouldn't even be mentioned in the same paragraph ;-)Drop the Appleyard thing, it's pathetic beyond belief. But yes I agree, Terry is no Paul McGrath.
Chris with all due respect I'm not sure quite why it is upsetting you so but you are entitled to your opinion and I mine. I personally think the Gerald Appleyard love in is pathetic beyond belief but hey ho! Nice to know we agree with the McGrath side of things though. Any who Merry Christmas and UTV!I can see why some would get upset comparing Gerald Appleyard (who so far has made 16 appearances for us in the 2nd division) with Paul McGrath who made 253 appearances for us in the top division. In my opinion (despite the comparisons) they shouldn't even be mentioned in the same paragraph ;-)Drop the Appleyard thing, it's pathetic beyond belief. But yes I agree, Terry is no Paul McGrath.
Due to John Terry's rather chequered, narcissistic and (more importantly for some) racist past the name arose organically earlier in the thread by some of the fans who weren't too happy with the association. There's humour in it but there's also a reason behind it. Whilst he's in a Villa shirt he'll always be Gerald Appleyard to me ;-)Thanks. And I agree. It's not funny.It's a name to replace 'John Terry' Some think is humorous. It's not.Can someone please tell me who the fuck Gerald Appleyard is?I can see why some would get upset comparing Gerald Appleyard (who so far has made 16 appearances for us in the 2nd division) with Paul McGrath who made 253 appearances for us in the top division. In my opinion (despite the comparisons) they shouldn't even be mentioned in the same paragraph ;-)Drop the Appleyard thing, it's pathetic beyond belief. But yes I agree, Terry is no Paul McGrath.
It’s as funny as Barry and the penalty if you are 11.Thanks. And I agree. It's not funny.It's a name to replace 'John Terry' Some think is humorous. It's not.Can someone please tell me who the fuck Gerald Appleyard is?I can see why some would get upset comparing Gerald Appleyard (who so far has made 16 appearances for us in the 2nd division) with Paul McGrath who made 253 appearances for us in the top division. In my opinion (despite the comparisons) they shouldn't even be mentioned in the same paragraph ;-)Drop the Appleyard thing, it's pathetic beyond belief. But yes I agree, Terry is no Paul McGrath.
Do you really think all injured players go to all games?Listening to John Terry on Sky tonight I'm convinced he's got a job lined up on the management staff when we do get promoted. He'll retire from playing once we've achieved promotion. His list of contacts are second to none.
I've no doubt that's the case, all this support for the team whilst injured isn't a sudden conversion to our club. Still, if we get something out of it then he's useful on and off the field.
All this support? He was watching Chelsea at the weekend rather than us.
Who could blame him?!
He's also driven himself to watch a game in East Anglia when he wasn't playing, was on the bench in others whilst injured. Do you expect him to be at every game?
As team captain and on the books of the Villa to the tune of £60k a week? Yes, I absolutely expect him to be there every game.
There seems to be an incredibly low expectation bar set for players these days - first he was lauded for doing some training and now he's being given a free pass to skip games when he'd rather go to watch Chelsea. If the cost of my season ticket is contributing to his extortionate salary he can suffer our "performances" just like me!
He's shown his commitment and if that's not enough for you then such is life.
Our major problem is the goals for column not the goals against. But I don't think anyone can seriously think that we aren't a better overall team with Terry playing. The club seriously needs to focus on our attacking prowess.The defence, including the keeper are good enough to get us promoted but it won't happen until we rattle the onion bag a lot more often.
Absolutely, my point is more the one you make after, whilst Terry is a great player and does make us look better that hasn't translated to points on the board (the one stat I didn't include but it's fairly clear from the win and draw percentages that he doesn't really change our 'points per game' stat). My post was aimed at the 'rather have Terry back than Kodjia' comments, Kodjia actually affects the table for us, Terry doesn't seem to despite being the better player of the 2.
I am surprised that there are so many that think someones personal life must be on hold, when they are employed by the greatest team on the planet. He's a Chelsea supporter and, although injured, still goes to more of our matches than he does their matches. I don't give a toss how many millions someone is paid, you can only dedicate so much of your personal life to work related activities before everything around you turns to shit, a healthy balance is required.
Our major problem is the goals for column not the goals against. But I don't think anyone can seriously think that we aren't a better overall team with Terry playing. The club seriously needs to focus on our attacking prowess.The defence, including the keeper are good enough to get us promoted but it won't happen until we rattle the onion bag a lot more often.
Absolutely, my point is more the one you make after, whilst Terry is a great player and does make us look better that hasn't translated to points on the board (the one stat I didn't include but it's fairly clear from the win and draw percentages that he doesn't really change our 'points per game' stat). My post was aimed at the 'rather have Terry back than Kodjia' comments, Kodjia actually affects the table for us, Terry doesn't seem to despite being the better player of the 2.
Just for fun, let me put forward an argument that says we could be a better side when Terry is not in it. Or at least a theory why we have got more points per game without him in the team.
Our game is totally focused on minimising mistakes and weaknesses, to keep a clean sheet and get a goal when we're on top. Terry and Chester are probably the best two centre backs in the league, but both lack pace and height (or at least a big leap to compensate). I don't think they complement each other and leaves us with a couple of weaknesses. Samba and Jedinak, while nowhere near as good as either Chester or Terry, plug a hole, so to speak.
Terry's strengths are his ability to read the game and his distribution. Again he's probably the best in the league in these respects. But with our stationary midfield there's only so much he can do with his distribution. He's not going to create goals. And this league doesn't contain too many players that can slice us open, so his reading of the game isn't as important as it would have been for Chelsea against more sharp-witted opposition. So in terms of tangible benefits, there isn't much he offers.
There's his leadership. But that's incredibly difficult to measure. The fact we've done slightly better since he's been out suggests that we might over estimate his role in this regard. Maybe he's instilled something in the team that can be kept going while he's out... Who knows? We had good runs last season without him, we've had bad runs this season with him. It's difficult to measure.
The best players don't always make the best teams. I remember saying in the summer we needed the next Ugo to play to Chester. I still think that.
To be honest, I'm not sure I fully buy into this theory myself, but thought I'd offer it up to discuss. Like has been said, the sample size is too small to draw any serious conclusions, but we definitely haven't got worse since he was out so thought it would be interesting to try to work out why.
I just don't get the problem here. No injured players, club captains or not, would be expected to go to every game home and away. The travelling isn't great use of their time for one thing during rehab. I don't see why you are going out the way to criticise him for this, it's beyond desperate.I am surprised that there are so many that think someones personal life must be on hold, when they are employed by the greatest team on the planet. He's a Chelsea supporter and, although injured, still goes to more of our matches than he does their matches. I don't give a toss how many millions someone is paid, you can only dedicate so much of your personal life to work related activities before everything around you turns to shit, a healthy balance is required.
He is a professional footballer - as an absolute minimum I'd describe the 90 minutes the club he's captain of are playing to be working rather than personal life. As a general rule, you'd be hard pushed to find many people who think professional footballers are overworked!
We have the second best defence in the league so he's doing something right. We were pretty handy at the back last year, but I think we've improved, certainly with distribution.
I agree. Kodjia coming back would probably be more important right now. But I think the fact we are in the position we are has an awful lot to do with what Terry brought to the party.We have the second best defence in the league so he's doing something right. We were pretty handy at the back last year, but I think we've improved, certainly with distribution.
but the defence has been just as solid in the 6 games since he got injured. The improvements could be down a number of things (including the professionalism he's helped instil. As I said, I'm not in any way saying he's a bad player or that he shouldn't start again as soon as he's fully fit this is specifically an argument against the idea that we've missed him massively and that him coming back will be more important that Kodjia coming back. Kodjia being out for most of the season will have a huge impact on us because none of the other strikers look capable of scoring the goals we need to challenge at the top. I think Bruce realised that as well which is why he came back in when he really didn't look ready.
I agree. Kodjia coming back would probably be more important right now. But I think the fact we are in the position we are has an awful lot to do with what Terry brought to the party.We have the second best defence in the league so he's doing something right. We were pretty handy at the back last year, but I think we've improved, certainly with distribution.
but the defence has been just as solid in the 6 games since he got injured. The improvements could be down a number of things (including the professionalism he's helped instil. As I said, I'm not in any way saying he's a bad player or that he shouldn't start again as soon as he's fully fit this is specifically an argument against the idea that we've missed him massively and that him coming back will be more important that Kodjia coming back. Kodjia being out for most of the season will have a huge impact on us because none of the other strikers look capable of scoring the goals we need to challenge at the top. I think Bruce realised that as well which is why he came back in when he really didn't look ready.
Agreed - Terry has been a model pro
I agree - the wanker.
I just don't get the problem here. No injured players, club captains or not, would be expected to go to every game home and away. The travelling isn't great use of their time for one thing during rehab. I don't see why you are going out the way to criticise him for this, it's beyond desperate.I am surprised that there are so many that think someones personal life must be on hold, when they are employed by the greatest team on the planet. He's a Chelsea supporter and, although injured, still goes to more of our matches than he does their matches. I don't give a toss how many millions someone is paid, you can only dedicate so much of your personal life to work related activities before everything around you turns to shit, a healthy balance is required.
He is a professional footballer - as an absolute minimum I'd describe the 90 minutes the club he's captain of are playing to be working rather than personal life. As a general rule, you'd be hard pushed to find many people who think professional footballers are overworked!
You're just being daft. And hyper critical for the sake of it. He's got plenty of time to talk to the players about the next game without him laying into them when they're just waiting to get into the shower.I just don't get the problem here. No injured players, club captains or not, would be expected to go to every game home and away. The travelling isn't great use of their time for one thing during rehab. I don't see why you are going out the way to criticise him for this, it's beyond desperate.I am surprised that there are so many that think someones personal life must be on hold, when they are employed by the greatest team on the planet. He's a Chelsea supporter and, although injured, still goes to more of our matches than he does their matches. I don't give a toss how many millions someone is paid, you can only dedicate so much of your personal life to work related activities before everything around you turns to shit, a healthy balance is required.
He is a professional footballer - as an absolute minimum I'd describe the 90 minutes the club he's captain of are playing to be working rather than personal life. As a general rule, you'd be hard pushed to find many people who think professional footballers are overworked!
I'm not going out of my way. It's my opinion.
You seem to have very low expectations of our captain whereas I think that a leader needs to be physically there to show leadership. Wouldn't it have been nice, for example, if he went in to the dressing room after the abject result against Derby and gave the rest of the team his opinion on what it takes to win championships and what's expected this Saturday rather than be in London having a laugh with his mates, supporting another team?
I just don't get the problem here. No injured players, club captains or not, would be expected to go to every game home and away. The travelling isn't great use of their time for one thing during rehab. I don't see why you are going out the way to criticise him for this, it's beyond desperate.I am surprised that there are so many that think someones personal life must be on hold, when they are employed by the greatest team on the planet. He's a Chelsea supporter and, although injured, still goes to more of our matches than he does their matches. I don't give a toss how many millions someone is paid, you can only dedicate so much of your personal life to work related activities before everything around you turns to shit, a healthy balance is required.
He is a professional footballer - as an absolute minimum I'd describe the 90 minutes the club he's captain of are playing to be working rather than personal life. As a general rule, you'd be hard pushed to find many people who think professional footballers are overworked!
I'm not going out of my way. It's my opinion.
You seem to have very low expectations of our captain whereas I think that a leader needs to be physically there to show leadership. Wouldn't it have been nice, for example, if he went in to the dressing room after the abject result against Derby and gave the rest of the team his opinion on what it takes to win championships and what's expected this Saturday rather than be in London having a laugh with his mates, supporting another team?
I just don't get the problem here. No injured players, club captains or not, would be expected to go to every game home and away. The travelling isn't great use of their time for one thing during rehab. I don't see why you are going out the way to criticise him for this, it's beyond desperate.I am surprised that there are so many that think someones personal life must be on hold, when they are employed by the greatest team on the planet. He's a Chelsea supporter and, although injured, still goes to more of our matches than he does their matches. I don't give a toss how many millions someone is paid, you can only dedicate so much of your personal life to work related activities before everything around you turns to shit, a healthy balance is required.
He is a professional footballer - as an absolute minimum I'd describe the 90 minutes the club he's captain of are playing to be working rather than personal life. As a general rule, you'd be hard pushed to find many people who think professional footballers are overworked!
I'm not going out of my way. It's my opinion.
You seem to have very low expectations of our captain whereas I think that a leader needs to be physically there to show leadership. Wouldn't it have been nice, for example, if he went in to the dressing room after the abject result against Derby and gave the rest of the team his opinion on what it takes to win championships and what's expected this Saturday rather than be in London having a laugh with his mates, supporting another team?
Do you mean leadership in the sense of his conduct during the visit to Acorns?
I just don't get the problem here. No injured players, club captains or not, would be expected to go to every game home and away. The travelling isn't great use of their time for one thing during rehab. I don't see why you are going out the way to criticise him for this, it's beyond desperate.I am surprised that there are so many that think someones personal life must be on hold, when they are employed by the greatest team on the planet. He's a Chelsea supporter and, although injured, still goes to more of our matches than he does their matches. I don't give a toss how many millions someone is paid, you can only dedicate so much of your personal life to work related activities before everything around you turns to shit, a healthy balance is required.
He is a professional footballer - as an absolute minimum I'd describe the 90 minutes the club he's captain of are playing to be working rather than personal life. As a general rule, you'd be hard pushed to find many people who think professional footballers are overworked!
I'm not going out of my way. It's my opinion.
You seem to have very low expectations of our captain whereas I think that a leader needs to be physically there to show leadership. Wouldn't it have been nice, for example, if he went in to the dressing room after the abject result against Derby and gave the rest of the team his opinion on what it takes to win championships and what's expected this Saturday rather than be in London having a laugh with his mates, supporting another team?
Do you mean leadership in the sense of his conduct during the visit to Acorns?
I just don't get the problem here. No injured players, club captains or not, would be expected to go to every game home and away. The travelling isn't great use of their time for one thing during rehab. I don't see why you are going out the way to criticise him for this, it's beyond desperate.I am surprised that there are so many that think someones personal life must be on hold, when they are employed by the greatest team on the planet. He's a Chelsea supporter and, although injured, still goes to more of our matches than he does their matches. I don't give a toss how many millions someone is paid, you can only dedicate so much of your personal life to work related activities before everything around you turns to shit, a healthy balance is required.
He is a professional footballer - as an absolute minimum I'd describe the 90 minutes the club he's captain of are playing to be working rather than personal life. As a general rule, you'd be hard pushed to find many people who think professional footballers are overworked!
I'm not going out of my way. It's my opinion.
You seem to have very low expectations of our captain whereas I think that a leader needs to be physically there to show leadership. Wouldn't it have been nice, for example, if he went in to the dressing room after the abject result against Derby and gave the rest of the team his opinion on what it takes to win championships and what's expected this Saturday rather than be in London having a laugh with his mates, supporting another team?
Do you mean leadership in the sense of his conduct during the visit to Acorns?
How is leadership tied with his conduct during a visit to Acorns? what was his conduct?
When has anyone on here ever been bothered about injured players attending away games before John Terry turned up?
Pretty sure I remember a pointless ruck here when an injured Darren Bent was spotted shuffling around the Bullring.
I don't care if he spends his injured time strangling chickens in the middle of robin hood island so long as he applies himself properly when it comes to being a footballer.
Pretty sure I remember a pointless ruck here when an injured Darren Bent was spotted shuffling around the Bullring.
I don't care if he spends his injured time strangling chickens in the middle of robin hood island so long as he applies himself properly when it comes to being a footballer.
Pretty sure I remember a pointless ruck here when an injured Darren Bent was spotted shuffling around the Bullring.
I don't care if he spends his injured time strangling chickens in the middle of robin hood island so long as he applies himself properly when it comes to being a footballer.
So you are supporting ritual sacrifice of chickens on the Robin Hood island. I have always suspected that Hall Greenites like you and my wife were like something straight out of 'The Wicker Man'. She is probably downstairs eating a live frog right now.
You're just being daft. And hyper critical for the sake of it. He's got plenty of time to talk to the players about the next game without him laying into them when they're just waiting to get into the shower.I just don't get the problem here. No injured players, club captains or not, would be expected to go to every game home and away. The travelling isn't great use of their time for one thing during rehab. I don't see why you are going out the way to criticise him for this, it's beyond desperate.I am surprised that there are so many that think someones personal life must be on hold, when they are employed by the greatest team on the planet. He's a Chelsea supporter and, although injured, still goes to more of our matches than he does their matches. I don't give a toss how many millions someone is paid, you can only dedicate so much of your personal life to work related activities before everything around you turns to shit, a healthy balance is required.
He is a professional footballer - as an absolute minimum I'd describe the 90 minutes the club he's captain of are playing to be working rather than personal life. As a general rule, you'd be hard pushed to find many people who think professional footballers are overworked!
I'm not going out of my way. It's my opinion.
You seem to have very low expectations of our captain whereas I think that a leader needs to be physically there to show leadership. Wouldn't it have been nice, for example, if he went in to the dressing room after the abject result against Derby and gave the rest of the team his opinion on what it takes to win championships and what's expected this Saturday rather than be in London having a laugh with his mates, supporting another team?
Do you think our other injured captains went to every single game home and away? I've no idea, but I would be amazed if they did. Do you think Kompany goes to every Man City game, or any other injured captain of other teams for that matter?
<applause>Pretty sure I remember a pointless ruck here when an injured Darren Bent was spotted shuffling around the Bullring.
I don't care if he spends his injured time strangling chickens in the middle of robin hood island so long as he applies himself properly when it comes to being a footballer.
While I agree with the thrust of your argument I think I would have to draw the line at him choking the chicken on the A34.
Yeah we know what you think. It seems few agree with you and you're being unreasonable. I'll sure you'll find something else to have a dig at him about soon and we can let this one go.You're just being daft. And hyper critical for the sake of it. He's got plenty of time to talk to the players about the next game without him laying into them when they're just waiting to get into the shower.I just don't get the problem here. No injured players, club captains or not, would be expected to go to every game home and away. The travelling isn't great use of their time for one thing during rehab. I don't see why you are going out the way to criticise him for this, it's beyond desperate.I am surprised that there are so many that think someones personal life must be on hold, when they are employed by the greatest team on the planet. He's a Chelsea supporter and, although injured, still goes to more of our matches than he does their matches. I don't give a toss how many millions someone is paid, you can only dedicate so much of your personal life to work related activities before everything around you turns to shit, a healthy balance is required.
He is a professional footballer - as an absolute minimum I'd describe the 90 minutes the club he's captain of are playing to be working rather than personal life. As a general rule, you'd be hard pushed to find many people who think professional footballers are overworked!
I'm not going out of my way. It's my opinion.
You seem to have very low expectations of our captain whereas I think that a leader needs to be physically there to show leadership. Wouldn't it have been nice, for example, if he went in to the dressing room after the abject result against Derby and gave the rest of the team his opinion on what it takes to win championships and what's expected this Saturday rather than be in London having a laugh with his mates, supporting another team?
Do you think our other injured captains went to every single game home and away? I've no idea, but I would be amazed if they did. Do you think Kompany goes to every Man City game, or any other injured captain of other teams for that matter?
So you think it's good that our club captain who should be showing leadership, who should be giving the impression to the players that we are in this together and should be relied on for support should the players need it is watching another team play at the same time as the team he is meant to be captain of is playing?
I'm not particularly angry about it if I'm honest I just don't think having your club captain attending another teams match whilst we play is a good look.
How do you know if few agree? I'd suggest writing as l rather than weRead the fucking thread
I don't know what the protocol is for injured players, but John Terry is normally there, isn't he? I'm with Chico, I'd rather not see him at Chelsea when we've got a game on, but it's fairly low down the list of things to be upset about. Perhaps he was down in London seeing a medical specialist and Bruce gave him the weekend off? Maybe he was there to try to tap up a loan deal or two, who knows?
How do you know if few agree? I'd suggest writing as l rather than weRead the fucking thread
I don't know what the protocol is for injured players, but John Terry is normally there, isn't he? I'm with Chico, I'd rather not see him at Chelsea when we've got a game on, but it's fairly low down the list of things to be upset about. Perhaps he was down in London seeing a medical specialist and Bruce gave him the weekend off? Maybe he was there to try to tap up a loan deal or two, who knows?
I just don't get the problem here. No injured players, club captains or not, would be expected to go to every game home and away. The travelling isn't great use of their time for one thing during rehab. I don't see why you are going out the way to criticise him for this, it's beyond desperate.I am surprised that there are so many that think someones personal life must be on hold, when they are employed by the greatest team on the planet. He's a Chelsea supporter and, although injured, still goes to more of our matches than he does their matches. I don't give a toss how many millions someone is paid, you can only dedicate so much of your personal life to work related activities before everything around you turns to shit, a healthy balance is required.
He is a professional footballer - as an absolute minimum I'd describe the 90 minutes the club he's captain of are playing to be working rather than personal life. As a general rule, you'd be hard pushed to find many people who think professional footballers are overworked!
I'm not going out of my way. It's my opinion.
You seem to have very low expectations of our captain whereas I think that a leader needs to be physically there to show leadership. Wouldn't it have been nice, for example, if he went in to the dressing room after the abject result against Derby and gave the rest of the team his opinion on what it takes to win championships and what's expected this Saturday rather than be in London having a laugh with his mates, supporting another team?
Do you mean leadership in the sense of his conduct during the visit to Acorns?
How is leadership tied with his conduct during a visit to Acorns? what was his conduct?
He managed not to racially abuse anyone or sleep with a teammates partner (as far as we know)
Pretty sure I remember a pointless ruck here when an injured Darren Bent was spotted shuffling around the Bullring.
I don't care if he spends his injured time strangling chickens in the middle of robin hood island so long as he applies himself properly when it comes to being a footballer.
While I agree with the thrust of your argument I think I would have to draw the line at him choking the chicken on the A34.
Yeah we know what you think. It seems few agree with you and you're being unreasonable. I'll sure you'll find something else to have a dig at him about soon and we can let this one go.You're just being daft. And hyper critical for the sake of it. He's got plenty of time to talk to the players about the next game without him laying into them when they're just waiting to get into the shower.I just don't get the problem here. No injured players, club captains or not, would be expected to go to every game home and away. The travelling isn't great use of their time for one thing during rehab. I don't see why you are going out the way to criticise him for this, it's beyond desperate.I am surprised that there are so many that think someones personal life must be on hold, when they are employed by the greatest team on the planet. He's a Chelsea supporter and, although injured, still goes to more of our matches than he does their matches. I don't give a toss how many millions someone is paid, you can only dedicate so much of your personal life to work related activities before everything around you turns to shit, a healthy balance is required.
He is a professional footballer - as an absolute minimum I'd describe the 90 minutes the club he's captain of are playing to be working rather than personal life. As a general rule, you'd be hard pushed to find many people who think professional footballers are overworked!
I'm not going out of my way. It's my opinion.
You seem to have very low expectations of our captain whereas I think that a leader needs to be physically there to show leadership. Wouldn't it have been nice, for example, if he went in to the dressing room after the abject result against Derby and gave the rest of the team his opinion on what it takes to win championships and what's expected this Saturday rather than be in London having a laugh with his mates, supporting another team?
Do you think our other injured captains went to every single game home and away? I've no idea, but I would be amazed if they did. Do you think Kompany goes to every Man City game, or any other injured captain of other teams for that matter?
So you think it's good that our club captain who should be showing leadership, who should be giving the impression to the players that we are in this together and should be relied on for support should the players need it is watching another team play at the same time as the team he is meant to be captain of is playing?
I'm not particularly angry about it if I'm honest I just don't think having your club captain attending another teams match whilst we play is a good look.
I just don't get the problem here. No injured players, club captains or not, would be expected to go to every game home and away. The travelling isn't great use of their time for one thing during rehab. I don't see why you are going out the way to criticise him for this, it's beyond desperate.I am surprised that there are so many that think someones personal life must be on hold, when they are employed by the greatest team on the planet. He's a Chelsea supporter and, although injured, still goes to more of our matches than he does their matches. I don't give a toss how many millions someone is paid, you can only dedicate so much of your personal life to work related activities before everything around you turns to shit, a healthy balance is required.
He is a professional footballer - as an absolute minimum I'd describe the 90 minutes the club he's captain of are playing to be working rather than personal life. As a general rule, you'd be hard pushed to find many people who think professional footballers are overworked!
I'm not going out of my way. It's my opinion.
You seem to have very low expectations of our captain whereas I think that a leader needs to be physically there to show leadership. Wouldn't it have been nice, for example, if he went in to the dressing room after the abject result against Derby and gave the rest of the team his opinion on what it takes to win championships and what's expected this Saturday rather than be in London having a laugh with his mates, supporting another team?
Do you mean leadership in the sense of his conduct during the visit to Acorns?
How is leadership tied with his conduct during a visit to Acorns? what was his conduct?
He managed not to racially abuse anyone or sleep with a teammates partner (as far as we know)
I'm mnot sure if you're joking or being serious, so perhaps I'll move on.
His leadership and conduct on the visit to Acorns was exemplary by all accounts. He spent a lot of time talking to all the children, families and staff and delayed being moved on to do so.
I think that's good leadership, don't you?
I just don't get the problem here. No injured players, club captains or not, would be expected to go to every game home and away. The travelling isn't great use of their time for one thing during rehab. I don't see why you are going out the way to criticise him for this, it's beyond desperate.I am surprised that there are so many that think someones personal life must be on hold, when they are employed by the greatest team on the planet. He's a Chelsea supporter and, although injured, still goes to more of our matches than he does their matches. I don't give a toss how many millions someone is paid, you can only dedicate so much of your personal life to work related activities before everything around you turns to shit, a healthy balance is required.
He is a professional footballer - as an absolute minimum I'd describe the 90 minutes the club he's captain of are playing to be working rather than personal life. As a general rule, you'd be hard pushed to find many people who think professional footballers are overworked!
I'm not going out of my way. It's my opinion.
You seem to have very low expectations of our captain whereas I think that a leader needs to be physically there to show leadership. Wouldn't it have been nice, for example, if he went in to the dressing room after the abject result against Derby and gave the rest of the team his opinion on what it takes to win championships and what's expected this Saturday rather than be in London having a laugh with his mates, supporting another team?
Do you mean leadership in the sense of his conduct during the visit to Acorns?
How is leadership tied with his conduct during a visit to Acorns? what was his conduct?
He managed not to racially abuse anyone or sleep with a teammates partner (as far as we know)
I'm mnot sure if you're joking or being serious, so perhaps I'll move on.
His leadership and conduct on the visit to Acorns was exemplary by all accounts. He spent a lot of time talking to all the children, families and staff and delayed being moved on to do so.
I think that's good leadership, don't you?
I don't think that it's tied to leadership at all.
Im worried Ill end up in another dimension if I attempt to read through these quotathons.
Careful now
I just don't get the problem here. No injured players, club captains or not, would be expected to go to every game home and away. The travelling isn't great use of their time for one thing during rehab. I don't see why you are going out the way to criticise him for this, it's beyond desperate.I am surprised that there are so many that think someones personal life must be on hold, when they are employed by the greatest team on the planet. He's a Chelsea supporter and, although injured, still goes to more of our matches than he does their matches. I don't give a toss how many millions someone is paid, you can only dedicate so much of your personal life to work related activities before everything around you turns to shit, a healthy balance is required.
He is a professional footballer - as an absolute minimum I'd describe the 90 minutes the club he's captain of are playing to be working rather than personal life. As a general rule, you'd be hard pushed to find many people who think professional footballers are overworked!
I'm not going out of my way. It's my opinion.
You seem to have very low expectations of our captain whereas I think that a leader needs to be physically there to show leadership. Wouldn't it have been nice, for example, if he went in to the dressing room after the abject result against Derby and gave the rest of the team his opinion on what it takes to win championships and what's expected this Saturday rather than be in London having a laugh with his mates, supporting another team?
Do you mean leadership in the sense of his conduct during the visit to Acorns?
How is leadership tied with his conduct during a visit to Acorns? what was his conduct?
He managed not to racially abuse anyone or sleep with a teammates partner (as far as we know)
I'm mnot sure if you're joking or being serious, so perhaps I'll move on.
His leadership and conduct on the visit to Acorns was exemplary by all accounts. He spent a lot of time talking to all the children, families and staff and delayed being moved on to do so.
I think that's good leadership, don't you?
I don't think that it's tied to leadership at all.
That says more than I need to then.
I just find it annoying that people forget the actual outcome of things and only remember the allegations 8)
Your leadership style is a lot different to mine then. As a leader I would expect nothing short of exemplary conduct at a hospital visit from all people on my team. I'm looking for a bit more than the basic standards from leaders
Safe to say it’s possible to do good and valuable work for charity and not be very nice.
What about dalmatians? Pandas? Pirate flags?Safe to say it’s possible to do good and valuable work for charity and not be very nice.
Good people do shit things, and vice versa. Such is life, nothing is black and white.
he's a total fuckwad as a person but he's been exemplary for us as a player.
he's a total fuckwad as a person but he's been exemplary for us as a player.
At this level as pulp said....different class.& help the aged
Keep him if we go up and give him the day off in the Chelsea fixtures. I could cope with that.
Great though he's been so far for us, he is no longer up to prem standard. Would be great to have around the club at that level but at 37, it's a stretch to expect him to return to the Premiership and be able to excel.
But plenty still wanted him on the bench in favour of Mad Tommy. I also note that the poll had an overwhelming majority against the signing. Just goes to show that fans don't always know what's best.
Great though he's been so far for us, he is no longer up to prem standard. Would be great to have around the club at that level but at 37, it's a stretch to expect him to return to the Premiership and be able to excel.
Great though he's been so far for us, he is no longer up to prem standard. Would be great to have around the club at that level but at 37, it's a stretch to expect him to return to the Premiership and be able to excel.
McAuley at the Stripeys is 38, and half the player.
Great though he's been so far for us, he is no longer up to prem standard. Would be great to have around the club at that level but at 37, it's a stretch to expect him to return to the Premiership and be able to excel.
Keep him if we go up and give him the day off in the Chelsea fixtures. I could cope with that.
Great though he's been so far for us, he is no longer up to prem standard. Would be great to have around the club at that level but at 37, it's a stretch to expect him to return to the Premiership and be able to excel.
McAuley at the Stripeys is 38, and half the player.
And that's why Albion are shit. JT is a great player but having had a year away from the really fast pace of the Premiership I really don't think he could step back up to that level. I really, really hope to be proven wrong of course.
I’m still very firmly in the ‘can’t stand him and wish he’d never signed for Villa’ camp.k
He puts the likes of Richards and Gabby to shame.
I’m still very firmly in the ‘can’t stand him and wish he’d never signed for Villa’ camp.k
Good for you..meanwhile I hope he plays every single game this season helping us to get back into the Premier League. Then i will give the 'holier than thou' view why he shouldn't play for us, about half a second thought and then realise we were actually lucky to have him.
Unless he would take a discount on the remainder of his contract, the problem is amortisation and FFP though.He puts the likes of Richards and Gabby to shame.
Surely we could look at agreeing a mutual cancellation of Micah’s contract. Yes it will cost us but would be less than paying him every week for the next 18 months until he inevitably leaves!?
Fair enough..lets cut are noses off despite our face then and play Micah Richards instead..im sure the end result will be the same.I’m still very firmly in the ‘can’t stand him and wish he’d never signed for Villa’ camp.k
Good for you..meanwhile I hope he plays every single game this season helping us to get back into the Premier League. Then i will give the 'holier than thou' view why he shouldn't play for us, about half a second thought and then realise we were actually lucky to have him.
Good for you, not sure what you mean by “holier than thou”, being an atheist and all that. Always hated him, just because he plays for the football club I support doesn’t mean I’m going to change my opinion of him.
I doubt it. Why would he accept a penny less than the full amount of the remainder of his contract?He puts the likes of Richards and Gabby to shame.
Surely we could look at agreeing a mutual cancellation of Micah’s contract. Yes it will cost us but would be less than paying him every week for the next 18 months until he inevitably leaves!?
It might be sacrilege to say so but Paul McGrath gets the GOD moniker and behaved abysmally off the field at times, has Terry's behaviour been any worse?No
It might be sacrilege to say so but Paul McGrath gets the GOD moniker and behaved abysmally off the field at times, has Terry's behaviour been any worse?No
It might be sacrilege to say so but Paul McGrath gets the GOD moniker and behaved abysmally off the field at times, has Terry's behaviour been any worse?No
People base their opinion on what they see fit, and if people chose to cast eternal damnation from their ivory towers they have every right to.
For me, he may have had a couple of twat moments from his formative years but you cant hang people for their mistakes forever. Since he has been here he has been absolutely exemplary, on and off the field (I dont think anyone could even challenge that). Follow him on social media and he comes across as a fantastic father, read reports from charity functions and nothing is too much trouble. He puts some of our recent stars to shame with his attitude and professionalism.
I would love it if we could get another season off him but if we dont, I hope his legacy is that youngsters like Grealish, Davis, Green are positively influenced by him being here.
Terry was thirty years old when he called the brother of his international centre-back partner a 'fucking black c***'. As Rio Ferdinand said: “For me the biggest idiot will always be John Terry. As England captain and my centre-back partner he could have saved everyone a lot of pain by admitting immediately he used the word in the heat of the moment, but was no racist. I think that’s probably what happened and what the truth is. Anton and I would’ve accepted that – instead he never gave us a chance. That was the betrayal. He tried to run away from what he had done.”
I wonder what savage said that night that made Dion loose his cool.
I wonder what savage said that night that made Dion loose his cool.
I doubt it. Why would he accept a penny less than the full amount of the remainder of his contract?He puts the likes of Richards and Gabby to shame.
Surely we could look at agreeing a mutual cancellation of Micah’s contract. Yes it will cost us but would be less than paying him every week for the next 18 months until he inevitably leaves!?
Could be worse. You could hate every fibre of his character and are still uncomfortable getting pleasure from his clearly excellent performances given those feelings. You could make it far worse by having a bet that you will wear a shirt with his name and number on the back of he plays 30 games and captains us to promotion though.....
Could be worse. You could hate every fibre of his character and are still uncomfortable getting pleasure from his clearly excellent performances given those feelings. You could make it far worse by having a bet that you will wear a shirt with his name and number on the back of he plays 30 games and captains us to promotion though.....
Ha! Fingers crossed.
Could be worse. You could hate every fibre of his character and are still uncomfortable getting pleasure from his clearly excellent performances given those feelings. You could make it far worse by having a bet that you will wear a shirt with his name and number on the back of he plays 30 games and captains us to promotion though.....
So everyone is just going to ignore the fact that a court found him not guilty then? So its cool if we apply the same rules to Anton Ferdinand's court case for assault and call him out for being a violent criminal? That Rio is a homophobic bigot and rapist? Lets just pile on and go for it then if we are going to ignore what these three men claim they meant. I rather thought Villa fans were a bit more fair minded than that.
So everyone is just going to ignore the fact that a court found him not guilty then? So its cool if we apply the same rules to Anton Ferdinand's court case for assault and call him out for being a violent criminal? That Rio is a homophobic bigot and rapist? Lets just pile on and go for it then if we are going to ignore what these three men claim they meant. I rather thought Villa fans were a bit more fair minded than that.
I’m not sure people have to be found guilty of a crime to be pretty unpleasant. So I can understand peoples issues with him. Me personally I’m just trying to separate footballing ability from previous behaviour, which I’ll admit isn’t something I’m entirely comfortable with.
So everyone is just going to ignore the fact that a court found him not guilty then? So its cool if we apply the same rules to Anton Ferdinand's court case for assault and call him out for being a violent criminal? That Rio is a homophobic bigot and rapist? Lets just pile on and go for it then if we are going to ignore what these three men claim they meant. I rather thought Villa fans were a bit more fair minded than that.
I’m not sure people have to be found guilty of a crime to be pretty unpleasant. So I can understand peoples issues with him. Me personally I’m just trying to separate footballing ability from previous behaviour, which I’ll admit isn’t something I’m entirely comfortable with.
Oh I agree. I just find it very unpleasant to see Terry constantly pilloried for his actions and the Ferdinands just ignored. I mean, to repeat, Rio Ferdinand was found guilty of racism and fined by the same FA board that fined Terry. Again, Terry has apologized for using that language, something with Rio has never done, in fact he told the victim of his abuse to "stop getting ya knickers in a twist!".
It seems more than a little one sided.
So everyone is just going to ignore the fact that a court found him not guilty then? So its cool if we apply the same rules to Anton Ferdinand's court case for assault and call him out for being a violent criminal? That Rio is a homophobic bigot and rapist? Lets just pile on and go for it then if we are going to ignore what these three men claim they meant. I rather thought Villa fans were a bit more fair minded than that.
I’m not sure people have to be found guilty of a crime to be pretty unpleasant. So I can understand peoples issues with him. Me personally I’m just trying to separate footballing ability from previous behaviour, which I’ll admit isn’t something I’m entirely comfortable with.
Oh I agree. I just find it very unpleasant to see Terry constantly pilloried for his actions and the Ferdinands just ignored. I mean, to repeat, Rio Ferdinand was found guilty of racism and fined by the same FA board that fined Terry. Again, Terry has apologized for using that language, something with Rio has never done, in fact he told the victim of his abuse to "stop getting ya knickers in a twist!".
It seems more than a little one sided.
I don’t see the comparison though, who’s saying Rio Ferdinand is a great bloke?
So everyone is just going to ignore the fact that a court found him not guilty then? So its cool if we apply the same rules to Anton Ferdinand's court case for assault and call him out for being a violent criminal? That Rio is a homophobic bigot and rapist? Lets just pile on and go for it then if we are going to ignore what these three men claim they meant. I rather thought Villa fans were a bit more fair minded than that.
I’m not sure people have to be found guilty of a crime to be pretty unpleasant. So I can understand peoples issues with him. Me personally I’m just trying to separate footballing ability from previous behaviour, which I’ll admit isn’t something I’m entirely comfortable with.
Oh I agree. I just find it very unpleasant to see Terry constantly pilloried for his actions and the Ferdinands just ignored. I mean, to repeat, Rio Ferdinand was found guilty of racism and fined by the same FA board that fined Terry. Again, Terry has apologized for using that language, something with Rio has never done, in fact he told the victim of his abuse to "stop getting ya knickers in a twist!".
It seems more than a little one sided.
I don’t see the comparison though, who’s saying Rio Ferdinand is a great bloke?
Also, one person of mixed heritage saying something about race to somebody of similar mixed heritage is a long way from a white man in the UK saying something like Terry said to Anton Ferdinand. Context is all and there are degrees of racism.
So everyone is just going to ignore the fact that a court found him not guilty then? So its cool if we apply the same rules to Anton Ferdinand's court case for assault and call him out for being a violent criminal? That Rio is a homophobic bigot and rapist? Lets just pile on and go for it then if we are going to ignore what these three men claim they meant. I rather thought Villa fans were a bit more fair minded than that.
I’m not sure people have to be found guilty of a crime to be pretty unpleasant. So I can understand peoples issues with him. Me personally I’m just trying to separate footballing ability from previous behaviour, which I’ll admit isn’t something I’m entirely comfortable with.
Oh I agree. I just find it very unpleasant to see Terry constantly pilloried for his actions and the Ferdinands just ignored. I mean, to repeat, Rio Ferdinand was found guilty of racism and fined by the same FA board that fined Terry. Again, Terry has apologized for using that language, something with Rio has never done, in fact he told the victim of his abuse to "stop getting ya knickers in a twist!".
It seems more than a little one sided.
I don’t see the comparison though, who’s saying Rio Ferdinand is a great bloke?
So everyone is just going to ignore the fact that a court found him not guilty then? So its cool if we apply the same rules to Anton Ferdinand's court case for assault and call him out for being a violent criminal? That Rio is a homophobic bigot and rapist? Lets just pile on and go for it then if we are going to ignore what these three men claim they meant. I rather thought Villa fans were a bit more fair minded than that.
I’m not sure people have to be found guilty of a crime to be pretty unpleasant. So I can understand peoples issues with him. Me personally I’m just trying to separate footballing ability from previous behaviour, which I’ll admit isn’t something I’m entirely comfortable with.
Oh I agree. I just find it very unpleasant to see Terry constantly pilloried for his actions and the Ferdinands just ignored. I mean, to repeat, Rio Ferdinand was found guilty of racism and fined by the same FA board that fined Terry. Again, Terry has apologized for using that language, something with Rio has never done, in fact he told the victim of his abuse to "stop getting ya knickers in a twist!".
It seems more than a little one sided.
I don’t see the comparison though, who’s saying Rio Ferdinand is a great bloke?
Also, one person of mixed heritage saying something about race to somebody of similar mixed heritage is a long way from a white man in the UK saying something like Terry said to Anton Ferdinand. Context is all and there are degrees of racism.
Be on the end of racism if you want to truly understands its impact. There are no degrees where one version is less than the other. It's all racism. The only variances that exist is in those who realise their ignorance to correct their ways versus those who make it a part of who they are.
So everyone is just going to ignore the fact that a court found him not guilty then? So its cool if we apply the same rules to Anton Ferdinand's court case for assault and call him out for being a violent criminal? That Rio is a homophobic bigot and rapist? Lets just pile on and go for it then if we are going to ignore what these three men claim they meant. I rather thought Villa fans were a bit more fair minded than that.
I’m not sure people have to be found guilty of a crime to be pretty unpleasant. So I can understand peoples issues with him. Me personally I’m just trying to separate footballing ability from previous behaviour, which I’ll admit isn’t something I’m entirely comfortable with.
Oh I agree. I just find it very unpleasant to see Terry constantly pilloried for his actions and the Ferdinands just ignored. I mean, to repeat, Rio Ferdinand was found guilty of racism and fined by the same FA board that fined Terry. Again, Terry has apologized for using that language, something with Rio has never done, in fact he told the victim of his abuse to "stop getting ya knickers in a twist!".
It seems more than a little one sided.
I don’t see the comparison though, who’s saying Rio Ferdinand is a great bloke?
Also, one person of mixed heritage saying something about race to somebody of similar mixed heritage is a long way from a white man in the UK saying something like Terry said to Anton Ferdinand. Context is all and there are degrees of racism.
Be on the end of racism if you want to truly understands its impact. There are no degrees where one version is less than the other. It's all racism. The only variances that exist is in those who realise their ignorance to correct their ways versus those who make it a part of who they are.
I was going to say I’m not sure racism is on a sliding scale of tolerance.
Well no because that’s about the severity, frequency etc as opposed who the racism is perperated against.
Many people can be ignorant and say things through a lack of learning or understanding. They might even say racist things through peer pressure, something they hear their uncle say for example when they were young. To me, and this is just my view true racists are those are conscious about their position and it comes across in many other ways than just words. If John Terry had a history of saying racist things and hadn’t changed then I’d say he’s a racist. But unless I’m mistaken there’s nothing to suggest. But it doesn’t change the fact what he did was unacceptable.
It might be sacrilege to say so but Paul McGrath gets the GOD moniker and behaved abysmally off the field at times, has Terry's behaviour been any worse?
What was Terry actually found guilty of in relation to the Ferdinand’s ?It might be sacrilege to say so but Paul McGrath gets the GOD moniker and behaved abysmally off the field at times, has Terry's behaviour been any worse?
McGrath, Yorke, Bosnich.... not sure why society feels the need to hold footballers up as paragons of virtue and morals.
Considering the behaviour of Terry's parents over the years, it's no wonder the issues he has had off the pitch. He was way out of order with the Ferdinands and should have taken his punishment on the chin.
But on it he is still performing at a very high level at 37, clearly a consumate professional in terms of his preparation off the pitch. Compare him who has won it all to the numerous leeches like Richards, Gabby, Lescott, Ireland, Nzogbia etc. Think about the positive example he is setting to every pro at the club about what being a top pro is all about.
What was Terry actually found guilty of in relation to the Ferdinand’s ?It might be sacrilege to say so but Paul McGrath gets the GOD moniker and behaved abysmally off the field at times, has Terry's behaviour been any worse?
McGrath, Yorke, Bosnich.... not sure why society feels the need to hold footballers up as paragons of virtue and morals.
Considering the behaviour of Terry's parents over the years, it's no wonder the issues he has had off the pitch. He was way out of order with the Ferdinands and should have taken his punishment on the chin.
But on it he is still performing at a very high level at 37, clearly a consumate professional in terms of his preparation off the pitch. Compare him who has won it all to the numerous leeches like Richards, Gabby, Lescott, Ireland, Nzogbia etc. Think about the positive example he is setting to every pro at the club about what being a top pro is all about.
I’m just trying to remember what “abysmal” behaviour McGrath did away from the pitch, can anyone fill me in?
I remember his drinking problem alright, but that was a personal thing and I don’t think he ever abused anyone other than himself. In fact I don’t think I’ve ever heard a bad word said about him.
I’m just trying to remember what “abysmal” behaviour McGrath did away from the pitch, can anyone fill me in?
I remember his drinking problem alright, but that was a personal thing and I don’t think he ever abused anyone other than himself. In fact I don’t think I’ve ever heard a bad word said about him.
https://www.independent.ie/regionals/newrossstandard/news/ooh-aah-court-for-paul-mcgrath-27500701.html
Assault & drunk driving, do impact other people. Pretty abysmal behaviour to be honest. Look he is still one of my fave players ever, but yeah, a flawed flawed man.
A few goals would be neat.
So everyone is just going to ignore the fact that a court found him not guilty then? So its cool if we apply the same rules to Anton Ferdinand's court case for assault and call him out for being a violent criminal? That Rio is a homophobic bigot and rapist? Lets just pile on and go for it then if we are going to ignore what these three men claim they meant. I rather thought Villa fans were a bit more fair minded than that.
I’m not sure people have to be found guilty of a crime to be pretty unpleasant. So I can understand peoples issues with him. Me personally I’m just trying to separate footballing ability from previous behaviour, which I’ll admit isn’t something I’m entirely comfortable with.
Oh I agree. I just find it very unpleasant to see Terry constantly pilloried for his actions and the Ferdinands just ignored. I mean, to repeat, Rio Ferdinand was found guilty of racism and fined by the same FA board that fined Terry. Again, Terry has apologized for using that language, something with Rio has never done, in fact he told the victim of his abuse to "stop getting ya knickers in a twist!".
It seems more than a little one sided.
I don’t see the comparison though, who’s saying Rio Ferdinand is a great bloke?
Also, one person of mixed heritage saying something about race to somebody of similar mixed heritage is a long way from a white man in the UK saying something like Terry said to Anton Ferdinand. Context is all and there are degrees of racism.
So everyone is just going to ignore the fact that a court found him not guilty then? So its cool if we apply the same rules to Anton Ferdinand's court case for assault and call him out for being a violent criminal? That Rio is a homophobic bigot and rapist? Lets just pile on and go for it then if we are going to ignore what these three men claim they meant. I rather thought Villa fans were a bit more fair minded than that.
I’m not sure people have to be found guilty of a crime to be pretty unpleasant. So I can understand peoples issues with him. Me personally I’m just trying to separate footballing ability from previous behaviour, which I’ll admit isn’t something I’m entirely comfortable with.
Oh I agree. I just find it very unpleasant to see Terry constantly pilloried for his actions and the Ferdinands just ignored. I mean, to repeat, Rio Ferdinand was found guilty of racism and fined by the same FA board that fined Terry. Again, Terry has apologized for using that language, something with Rio has never done, in fact he told the victim of his abuse to "stop getting ya knickers in a twist!".
It seems more than a little one sided.
I don’t see the comparison though, who’s saying Rio Ferdinand is a great bloke?
Well as Rio was heavily involved I think its fair to call out that hypocrisy, as Toronto says, has John Terry changed? I think the answer is yes. Rio has not.
Anyway, I have had my little say. Like it matters :)
So everyone is just going to ignore the fact that a court found him not guilty then? So its cool if we apply the same rules to Anton Ferdinand's court case for assault and call him out for being a violent criminal? That Rio is a homophobic bigot and rapist? Lets just pile on and go for it then if we are going to ignore what these three men claim they meant. I rather thought Villa fans were a bit more fair minded than that.
I’m not sure people have to be found guilty of a crime to be pretty unpleasant. So I can understand peoples issues with him. Me personally I’m just trying to separate footballing ability from previous behaviour, which I’ll admit isn’t something I’m entirely comfortable with.
Oh I agree. I just find it very unpleasant to see Terry constantly pilloried for his actions and the Ferdinands just ignored. I mean, to repeat, Rio Ferdinand was found guilty of racism and fined by the same FA board that fined Terry. Again, Terry has apologized for using that language, something with Rio has never done, in fact he told the victim of his abuse to "stop getting ya knickers in a twist!".
It seems more than a little one sided.
I don’t see the comparison though, who’s saying Rio Ferdinand is a great bloke?
Also, one person of mixed heritage saying something about race to somebody of similar mixed heritage is a long way from a white man in the UK saying something like Terry said to Anton Ferdinand. Context is all and there are degrees of racism.
Sorry I have to disagree with you about that for me it's very cut and dry it's either racist or it's not there isn't different levels
If you think John Terry shouldn't be constantly reminded about what he did why don't you go into work and say exactly what he said and see what happens.This.
I'll bet that you won't be getting a several new contracts with increased pay.
Oh and good luck finding a new job after because with that on your record it'll be near impossible to get another job for a very long time and once you do I doubt it'll be a job that is very much more than minimum wage.
So everyone is just going to ignore the fact that a court found him not guilty then? So its cool if we apply the same rules to Anton Ferdinand's court case for assault and call him out for being a violent criminal? That Rio is a homophobic bigot and rapist? Lets just pile on and go for it then if we are going to ignore what these three men claim they meant. I rather thought Villa fans were a bit more fair minded than that.
I’m not sure people have to be found guilty of a crime to be pretty unpleasant. So I can understand peoples issues with him. Me personally I’m just trying to separate footballing ability from previous behaviour, which I’ll admit isn’t something I’m entirely comfortable with.
Oh I agree. I just find it very unpleasant to see Terry constantly pilloried for his actions and the Ferdinands just ignored. I mean, to repeat, Rio Ferdinand was found guilty of racism and fined by the same FA board that fined Terry. Again, Terry has apologized for using that language, something with Rio has never done, in fact he told the victim of his abuse to "stop getting ya knickers in a twist!".
It seems more than a little one sided.
I don’t see the comparison though, who’s saying Rio Ferdinand is a great bloke?
Well as Rio was heavily involved I think its fair to call out that hypocrisy, as Toronto says, has John Terry changed? I think the answer is yes. Rio has not.
Anyway, I have had my little say. Like it matters :)
If you think John Terry shouldn't be constantly reminded about what he did why don't you go into work and say exactly what he said and see what happens.
I'll bet that you won't be getting a several new contracts with increased pay.
Oh and good luck finding a new job after because with that on your record it'll be near impossible to get another job for a very long time and once you do I doubt it'll be a job that is very much more than minimum wage.
If you think John Terry shouldn't be constantly reminded about what he did why don't you go into work and say exactly what he said and see what happens.This.
I'll bet that you won't be getting a several new contracts with increased pay.
Oh and good luck finding a new job after because with that on your record it'll be near impossible to get another job for a very long time and once you do I doubt it'll be a job that is very much more than minimum wage.
If you think John Terry shouldn't be constantly reminded about what he did why don't you go into work and say exactly what he said and see what happens.This.
I'll bet that you won't be getting a several new contracts with increased pay.
Oh and good luck finding a new job after because with that on your record it'll be near impossible to get another job for a very long time and once you do I doubt it'll be a job that is very much more than minimum wage.
If you constantly remind (even convicted) offenders of what they did or publicise details of their previous offences you're in danger of falling foul of the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act with legal consequences against you.
The may be many who support your sentiment, but the law is against you in pretty much every regard.
If you think John Terry shouldn't be constantly reminded about what he did why don't you go into work and say exactly what he said and see what happens.This.
I'll bet that you won't be getting a several new contracts with increased pay.
Oh and good luck finding a new job after because with that on your record it'll be near impossible to get another job for a very long time and once you do I doubt it'll be a job that is very much more than minimum wage.
If you constantly remind (even convicted) offenders of what they did or publicise details of their previous offences you're in danger of falling foul of the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act with legal consequences against you.
The may be many who support your sentiment, but the law is against you in pretty much every regard.
Agreed. It’s tiresome reading the same old Terry shit on here. All I know is that he’s been superb for us this season and hasn’t put a foot wrong either on or off the pitch. Why people constantly want to bring up the past is beyond me. Live and let live and all that.
I agree. I stated my case earlier also as someone of colour who has faced a lot of racism in my time. I can tell the difference based from what I have read about him. I think he was stupid and ignorant for what he said, and one can only hope that's all it was versus something deeper. But there has been nothing to suggest at least from what we know that he is like that as a person.
Either way, going on and on about it is pointless in my opinion. I'm going to separate what he did, what I can tell he did to repair the damage and certainly what he's done since as my markers for how I view him now. And like you're suggesting he's not put a foot wrong since arriving. In fact he's demonstrated a level of commitment, conduct and professionalism every player at the club should aspire to.
But I can't stand him. I'm not holier than thou, and I'm not unforgiving. Football's about heroes and villains and he's always been the latter. The time he almost snapped Milner's standing leg in two, then rather than check on his England colleague pretended to be injured and bleated like a calf. We're a broad church and a lot seem happy that he's played well and not put much of a foot wrong. That's fair enough, but for me he can't fuck off out of my club quick enough.
If you think John Terry shouldn't be constantly reminded about what he did why don't you go into work and say exactly what he said and see what happens.This.
I'll bet that you won't be getting a several new contracts with increased pay.
Oh and good luck finding a new job after because with that on your record it'll be near impossible to get another job for a very long time and once you do I doubt it'll be a job that is very much more than minimum wage.
If you constantly remind (even convicted) offenders of what they did or publicise details of their previous offences you're in danger of falling foul of the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act with legal consequences against you.
The may be many who support your sentiment, but the law is against you in pretty much every regard.
And this is it. I accept anyone who is willing to take high position on Terry. But then shouldn’t you also do the same for a legend like Paul McGrath who in 2010 was charged for drink driving, not only putting his life at risk but that innocent pedestrians and motorists. If we are going to hold footballers to high standards or anyone for that matter do we also not have a responsibility to be consistent in our condemnation? Or is McGrath being Villa and Terry not the dividing line?
And this is it. I accept anyone who is willing to take high position on Terry. But then shouldn’t you also do the same for a legend like Paul McGrath who in 2010 was charged for drink driving, not only putting his life at risk but that innocent pedestrians and motorists. If we are going to hold footballers to high standards or anyone for that matter do we also not have a responsibility to be consistent in our condemnation? Or is McGrath being Villa and Terry not the dividing line?
I honestly don't know, maybe. But despite his demons I think Paul McGrath is a decent man. I don't think that's particularly partisan - don't most people outside of Villa have some affection and respect for him? I can wish him well despite his flaws and hope he overcomes them, without harming himself or worse still others in the process.
But John Terry I have a problem with. It's not anything to lose sleep over and I'm sure he'll get over it. It might even be stupid and irrational if he improves the club I'm supposed to support. But unlike real life I don't have to be rational about football and I really can't stand him. Never have, never will.
I agree. I stated my case earlier also as someone of colour who has faced a lot of racism in my time. I can tell the difference based from what I have read about him. I think he was stupid and ignorant for what he said, and one can only hope that's all it was versus something deeper. But there has been nothing to suggest at least from what we know that he is like that as a person.
Either way, going on and on about it is pointless in my opinion. I'm going to separate what he did, what I can tell he did to repair the damage and certainly what he's done since as my markers for how I view him now. And like you're suggesting he's not put a foot wrong since arriving. In fact he's demonstrated a level of commitment, conduct and professionalism every player at the club should aspire to.
As an aside you are a good man TV. I don't have the morale strength to take the high ground in such matters as you have done. When I am on the receiving end of something I never take the time to look at it cooly or with the level of intelligence you do. Probably something I should work on. Anyway thanks for making me think of ways to better myself.
If you think John Terry shouldn't be constantly reminded about what he did why don't you go into work and say exactly what he said and see what happens.This.
I'll bet that you won't be getting a several new contracts with increased pay.
Oh and good luck finding a new job after because with that on your record it'll be near impossible to get another job for a very long time and once you do I doubt it'll be a job that is very much more than minimum wage.
If you constantly remind (even convicted) offenders of what they did or publicise details of their previous offences you're in danger of falling foul of the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act with legal consequences against you.
The may be many who support your sentiment, but the law is against you in pretty much every regard.
He was sacked for shagging a colleague’s ex?
Tell that to my former colleague who was sacked for the same thing as what Terry did and has found it impossible to find a new job.
And this is it. I accept anyone who is willing to take high position on Terry. But then shouldn’t you also do the same for a legend like Paul McGrath who in 2010 was charged for drink driving, not only putting his life at risk but that innocent pedestrians and motorists. If we are going to hold footballers to high standards or anyone for that matter do we also not have a responsibility to be consistent in our condemnation? Or is McGrath being Villa and Terry not the dividing line?
I honestly don't know, maybe. But despite his demons I think Paul McGrath is a decent man. I don't think that's particularly partisan - don't most people outside of Villa have some affection and respect for him? I can wish him well despite his flaws and hope he overcomes them, without harming himself or worse still others in the process.
But John Terry I have a problem with. It's not anything to lose sleep over and I'm sure he'll get over it. It might even be stupid and irrational if he improves the club I'm supposed to support. But unlike real life I don't have to be rational about football and I really can't stand him. Never have, never will.
If you think John Terry shouldn't be constantly reminded about what he did why don't you go into work and say exactly what he said and see what happens.This.
I'll bet that you won't be getting a several new contracts with increased pay.
Oh and good luck finding a new job after because with that on your record it'll be near impossible to get another job for a very long time and once you do I doubt it'll be a job that is very much more than minimum wage.
If you constantly remind (even convicted) offenders of what they did or publicise details of their previous offences you're in danger of falling foul of the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act with legal consequences against you.
The may be many who support your sentiment, but the law is against you in pretty much every regard.
He was sacked for shagging a colleague’s ex?
Tell that to my former colleague who was sacked for the same thing as what Terry did and has found it impossible to find a new job.
Both on and off the pitch he has hardly put a foot wrong since he joined us. I would like to think that is as a sign of maturity and learning from his mistakes. Which is all we can realistically expect from anyone. To err Is human; to forgive divine.
Thanks I appreciate that. Growing up an Indian kid in the 1970’s and 80’s in Erdington and Aston certainly had its moments. Especially on walks home in the dark of winter. And my old man worked at British Steel for the best part of 30 years. I can only imagine what he had to endure. It’s never a pleasant subject and I can only speak for myself in how I handled it and now view the subject. But it’s provided me a decent perspective as to what actually constitutes versus ignorance. And we’ve all probably been ignorant on any number of topics as we grew up at some time or another. The question is always did we learn and mature?
At least he hasn't stolen a living from the club unlike some signings.
As I am too lazy to look it up, and we are looking worryingly threatening at the top end of the table, how many league games has he played now?
As I am too lazy to look it up, and we are looking worryingly threatening at the top end of the table, how many league games has he played now?
We've played 29 and I'm sure he missed the 10 between QPR (a) and Bristol City (h) so I make that 19. Or 18 and a half if you want to include him going off v Sheff Wed.
I haven't seen anyone else mention it so I will - what the fuck was he doing for their second goal yesterday? He seemed to go for it and then pull out as if he got a call from Johnstone, which he clearly didn't.
Luckily it wasn't important but it seemed a very uncharacteristic balls up from him.
I haven't seen anyone else mention it so I will - what the fuck was he doing for their second goal yesterday? He seemed to go for it and then pull out as if he got a call from Johnstone, which he clearly didn't.
Luckily it wasn't important but it seemed a very uncharacteristic balls up from him.
I haven't seen anyone else mention it so I will - what the fuck was he doing for their second goal yesterday? He seemed to go for it and then pull out as if he got a call from Johnstone, which he clearly didn't.
Luckily it wasn't important but it seemed a very uncharacteristic balls up from him.
A few people have mentioned it and some have even tried to blame Hutton, but the simple fact appeared to be that Terry switched off. I've no doubt that it was a momentary lapse though, and I'd be surprised if he repeated such a mistake. He's been colossal for us.
I’ll say this for him. For someone who has won pretty much everything in the game he sure appears to be loving his time with us.
As I am too lazy to look it up, and we are looking worryingly threatening at the top end of the table, how many league games has he played now?
We've played 29 and I'm sure he missed the 10 between QPR (a) and Bristol City (h) so I make that 19. Or 18 and a half if you want to include him going off v Sheff Wed.
I’ll say this for him. For someone who has won pretty much everything in the game he sure appears to be loving his time with us.
As a defender he's always gone out and done a job since he's been here. What I like now, since he came back from injury is his leadership, he's still putting in the performances but now you can really see how much he cares. He is indeed loving it. Just see him at full time at Sheffield United as an example. We have a few leaders in the team but more importantly, we have what Mourinho at Chelsea called 'a collective' (mentality). It's something we've been missing for far too long.
I’ll say this for him. For someone who has won pretty much everything in the game he sure appears to be loving his time with us.
As a defender he's always gone out and done a job since he's been here. What I like now, since he came back from injury is his leadership, he's still putting in the performances but now you can really see how much he cares. He is indeed loving it. Just see him at full time at Sheffield United as an example. We have a few leaders in the team but more importantly, we have what Mourinho at Chelsea called 'a collective' (mentality). It's something we've been missing for far too long.
Completely agree. We might not put in a perfect performance every week but the players clearly have a lot of belief in one another and are working as a unit. It's always a good sign when they so obviously take delight in each others' achievements. There doesn't seem to be any Billy Big Bollocks amongst them, and it's testament to Terry that he's behaving like another member of the team. We're reaping the rewards of bringing in players like him and Snodgrass now. Their mentality is just as important as their ability on the pitch.
Well John. If tomorrow is a full house it will be the biggest home crowd you will ever have played in front of in a league game. And it will be in the Championship. Welcome to a big club.
Well John. If tomorrow is a full house it will be the biggest home crowd you will ever have played in front of in a league game. And it will be in the Championship. Welcome to a big club.
Well John. If tomorrow is a full house it will be the biggest home crowd you will ever have played in front of in a league game. And it will be in the Championship. Welcome to a big club.
I still think he's a c*** and always will, but he has been exemplary for us so far. I was worried whether he could still do it but he's been excellent for the most part and he definitely seems to sway some decisions in our favour.
He had won me over earlier in the season, never thought I would say that. He just exudes authority and his passion is infectious to the rest of the term. He also passes the ball as well as any midfielder. Gareth Southgate was excellent at passing the ball out of defence and so is Terry. Last week Vs Burton he set up a couple of attacking runs with a couple of passes that Gordon Cowans would have been proud of.
For all the praise that Terry is (rightly) receiving, I'd say that Chester has been every bit as good
He had won me over earlier in the season, never thought I would say that. He just exudes authority and his passion is infectious to the rest of the term. He also passes the ball as well as any midfielder. Gareth Southgate was excellent at passing the ball out of defence and so is Terry. Last week Vs Burton he set up a couple of attacking runs with a couple of passes that Gordon Cowans would have been proud of.
Put it in the post match thread as well, but can't wait to see him at Fulham next week....they really hate him!!
Terry, along with Johnstone, Snod and Jedinak. It's nice to finally have some proper warriors in our team. We've had so many weasel-faced arses over the past 10 years and lacked characters like that.
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The JT stare never left that piece of shit all the way through that altercation. I love the way Chester was straight in there as well.Hookey - any idea what happened with Thor since he went of quickly? Needed a wee?
There is a togetherness in this team that has been missing since the MON time and it is evident no one is excluded. Great to see
Fantastic player, leader and captain.
Whatever he's done and said in the past, he has been exemplary since he joined us and we are lucky to have him.
At fault for the first? How?Didn't he lose his marker on the corner?
For the sake of some balance...arguably at fault for both of Burtons goals last week and slipped to gift Gallagher a golden opportunity which he should really have scored at 0-0.
Just watched it again I can't make out if he was fouled (you may well have a point with "Stepladder") I just remember thinking he'd lost the challenge (to be fair even so although it did put Elmohadady under pressure he didn't have to necessary put the ball in the top corner).For the sake of some balance...arguably at fault for both of Burtons goals last week and slipped to gift Gallagher a golden opportunity which he should really have scored at 0-0.
Their first should have been a free kick to us, the Burton player was all over Terry. Reckon the guy I used to sit in front of would have been screaming stepladder!!
I love his passion, his effortless ball control and skill. Terry giving a big fist pump to the Holte yesterday was almost as good as Mellberg’s against them doughnuts.
The JT stare never left that piece of shit all the way through that altercation. I love the way Chester was straight in there as well.
There is a togetherness in this team that has been missing since the MON time and it is evident no one is excluded. Great to see
Just watched it again I can't make out if he was fouled (you may well have a point with "Stepladder") I just remember thinking he'd lost the challenge (to be fair even so although it did put Elmohadady under pressure he didn't have to necessary put the ball in the top corner).For the sake of some balance...arguably at fault for both of Burtons goals last week and slipped to gift Gallagher a golden opportunity which he should really have scored at 0-0.
Their first should have been a free kick to us, the Burton player was all over Terry. Reckon the guy I used to sit in front of would have been screaming stepladder!!
I love his passion, his effortless ball control and skill. Terry giving a big fist pump to the Holte yesterday was almost as good as Mellberg’s against them doughnuts.
The JT stare never left that piece of shit all the way through that altercation. I love the way Chester was straight in there as well.
There is a togetherness in this team that has been missing since the MON time and it is evident no one is excluded. Great to see
I wonder if he kept his mouth closed so Ndoye couldn't make a racism claim? It seemed odd that Terry didn't say anything at all, and maybe he thought he would be better off keeping schtum.
The JT stare never left that piece of shit all the way through that altercation. I love the way Chester was straight in there as well.
There is a togetherness in this team that has been missing since the MON time and it is evident no one is excluded. Great to see
I wonder if he kept his mouth closed so Ndoye couldn't make a racism claim? It seemed odd that Terry didn't say anything at all, and maybe he thought he would be better off keeping schtum.
He probably thought about calling him a useless bluenose twat but decided against fearing the furore that would ensue in Birmingham City centre where 2.6 million noses live.
I think we should put our collective humour and creative skills to compose a written tribute to John Terry. I for one never, ever ever thought I would have a good word to say about him but I stand on what I wrote two weeks ago that he is the best player I have seen in a Villa shirt for a decade.He's could be the next George Curtis.
Chelsea fans who by common consent are as thick as pig shit have announced JT as Leader, Legend etc. I think Villa should give him the Palme D'Or of being "as good as some past Villa players". Yes, I like that. Nicely understated.
Ha, you beat me to it Aftab, but I was going to say Fred Turnbull!I think we should put our collective humour and creative skills to compose a written tribute to John Terry. I for one never, ever ever thought I would have a good word to say about him but I stand on what I wrote two weeks ago that he is the best player I have seen in a Villa shirt for a decade.He's could be the next George Curtis.
Chelsea fans who by common consent are as thick as pig shit have announced JT as Leader, Legend etc. I think Villa should give him the Palme D'Or of being "as good as some past Villa players". Yes, I like that. Nicely understated.
Ha, you beat me to it Aftab, but I was going to say Fred Turnbull!I think we should put our collective humour and creative skills to compose a written tribute to John Terry. I for one never, ever ever thought I would have a good word to say about him but I stand on what I wrote two weeks ago that he is the best player I have seen in a Villa shirt for a decade.He's could be the next George Curtis.
Chelsea fans who by common consent are as thick as pig shit have announced JT as Leader, Legend etc. I think Villa should give him the Palme D'Or of being "as good as some past Villa players". Yes, I like that. Nicely understated.
As much as Terry looks to be enjoying life at the top of the Championship I'm not sure it's as clear cut him being up for a relegation scrap, losing more often than not.Yeah, that's a good point. Going out on the high of a promotion may appeal more than fizzling away in a relegation fight. But I still think he'd be very useful and he has got some affinity for the team now. We'll see.
As much as Terry looks to be enjoying life at the top of the Championship I'm not sure it's as clear cut him being up for a relegation scrap, losing more often than not.Yeah, that's a good point. Going out on the high of a promotion may appeal more than fizzling away in a relegation fight. But I still think he'd be very useful and he has got some affinity for the team now. We'll see.
I'm probably slow on the uptake and this has probably been mentioned on here, but I just heard Sundays game was the largest attended home game he has played in.
I'm probably slow on the uptake and this has probably been mentioned on here, but I just heard Sundays game was the largest attended home game he has played in.
It should've been but despite it being a sell out the attendance was reported as only 41,200. Stamford Bridge holds 41,600 so he may well have played in front of larger home league crowds.
Given VP has a capacity of 42,785 I'm not sure where the 1,500 empty seats were.
I'm probably slow on the uptake and this has probably been mentioned on here, but I just heard Sundays game was the largest attended home game he has played in.
It should've been but despite it being a sell out the attendance was reported as only 41,200. Stamford Bridge holds 41,600 so he may well have played in front of larger home league crowds.
Given VP has a capacity of 42,785 I'm not sure where the 1,500 empty seats were.
The North Stand corner and the first rows of the away bit.
Given VP .....
I'm probably slow on the uptake and this has probably been mentioned on here, but I just heard Sundays game was the largest attended home game he has played in.
It should've been but despite it being a sell out the attendance was reported as only 41,200. Stamford Bridge holds 41,600 so he may well have played in front of larger home league crowds.
Given VP has a capacity of 42,785 I'm not sure where the 1,500 empty seats were.
The North Stand corner and the first rows of the away bit.
1,500?! I could see a couple of hundred in the corner but no more.
Given VP .....
When was Villa Park renamed in honour of our former keeper?
I'm probably slow on the uptake and this has probably been mentioned on here, but I just heard Sundays game was the largest attended home game he has played in.
It should've been but despite it being a sell out the attendance was reported as only 41,200. Stamford Bridge holds 41,600 so he may well have played in front of larger home league crowds.
Given VP has a capacity of 42,785 I'm not sure where the 1,500 empty seats were.
The North Stand corner and the first rows of the away bit.
1,500?! I could see a couple of hundred in the corner but no more.
They had 600 seats less than the away capacity.
I'm probably slow on the uptake and this has probably been mentioned on here, but I just heard Sundays game was the largest attended home game he has played in.
It should've been but despite it being a sell out the attendance was reported as only 41,200. Stamford Bridge holds 41,600 so he may well have played in front of larger home league crowds.
Given VP has a capacity of 42,785 I'm not sure where the 1,500 empty seats were.
The North Stand corner and the first rows of the away bit.
1,500?! I could see a couple of hundred in the corner but no more.
They had 600 seats less than the away capacity.
Bollocks. Don't you realise they are the best supported team in Brum?
I'm probably slow on the uptake and this has probably been mentioned on here, but I just heard Sundays game was the largest attended home game he has played in.
A very quick check, but loads of Chelsea games had bigger crowds than Sunday. Not by much, but still a few hundred more. It’s a nice thought but would essentially seem to be bollocks.
I'm probably slow on the uptake and this has probably been mentioned on here, but I just heard Sundays game was the largest attended home game he has played in.
It should've been but despite it being a sell out the attendance was reported as only 41,200. Stamford Bridge holds 41,600 so he may well have played in front of larger home league crowds.
Given VP has a capacity of 42,785 I'm not sure where the 1,500 empty seats were.
The North Stand corner and the first rows of the away bit.
1,500?! I could see a couple of hundred in the corner but no more.
They had 600 seats less than the away capacity.
What is going on with the reduced ticket allowance? Was it a police recommendation? Safety issue? Or something between the two clubs?
What is going on with the reduced ticket allowance? Was it a police recommendation? Safety issue? Or something between the two clubs?
What is going on with the reduced ticket allowance? Was it a police recommendation? Safety issue? Or something between the two clubs?
Police restriction to keep fans more segregated following incidents at previous games. I am sure I read that they were allowed a few additional seats this year compared to last due to improved behaviour.
I'd just like to point out that the number of tosses I give about the number of people in front of whom John Terry has played is equal to the number of European Champions cups won by Arsenal. Or Blose.
Terry is making lot of errors lately. There were at last two big one's last night and there have been some in previous games. Not sure if number of games are catching up with him?
He did seem a bit off his game last night - did anyone see when he got his shirt pulled/ ripped?
Surely if it was in their box it's a penalty?
He looked iffy again today
Not sure what’s going on? Don’t think fatigue sounds likely
He looked iffy again today
Not sure what’s going on? Don’t think fatigue sounds likely
He was busy reffing todays game for us.
Danny Murphy on Talksport a few minutes ago reckoned he is doing great for Villa and Chelsea are missing him and should have kept him for another year.
I think Murphy is a right t*@t. Seeing as he's such a massive fan of ours it would be interesting to know just how many Villa games he's actually watched this season? There's no doubt Terry had an amazing career at Chelsea but he left having only played something like 9 games (718 mins - before his final appearance and 26min sub) in his final season under Conte (at least 1 of which he was sent off and wasn't he subbed at half time one match following a mistake? I seem to remember hearing that on the radio - could be wrong) If you were being generous I'd say it's a very rose tinted view to think Terry should/would be still playing for them and that he would be the difference to their current league position. If Murphy's comments have been brought on following Chelsea's 2-1 defeat at Old Trafford yesterday it maybe worth noting Terry also didn't play the season before when Chelsea lost there 2-0 (and yet won the title).Danny Murphy on Talksport a few minutes ago reckoned he is doing great for Villa and Chelsea are missing him and should have kept him for another year.
I think Murphy is right. Chelski's loss is definitely our gain.
I think Murphy is a right t*@t. Seeing as he's such a massive fan of ours it would be interesting to know just how many Villa games he's actually watched this season? There's no doubt Terry had an amazing career at Chelsea but he left having only played something like 9 games (718 mins - before his final appearance and 26min sub) in his final season under Conte (at least 1 of which he was sent off and wasn't he subbed at half time one match following a mistake? I seem to remember hearing that on the radio - could be wrong) If you were being generous I'd say it's a very rose tinted view to think Terry should/would be still playing for them and that he would be the difference to their current league position. If Murphy's comments have been brought on following Chelsea's 2-1 defeat at Old Trafford yesterday it maybe worth noting Terry also didn't play the season before when Chelsea lost there 2-0 (and yet won the title).Danny Murphy on Talksport a few minutes ago reckoned he is doing great for Villa and Chelsea are missing him and should have kept him for another year.
I think Murphy is right. Chelski's loss is definitely our gain.
Agreed. Lets not kid ourselves into thinking Terry is any longer a PL player. Hed be exposed which deep down I think he knows. Given his legacy I dont blame him at all.
interestingly, the similarly aged Barry is getting dogs abuse from the WBA supporters I know for ot giving a rat's arse. You certainly can't level that accusation at Terry.
it would be news if anyone on talksport wasn't a total knobjockey
it would be news if anyone on talksport wasn't a total knobjockey
Danny Kelly is very witty and knowledgeable that I’ve often thought he is wasted there.
a shame then that he can't see beyond Tottenham Real.
Terry wants to stay with us for one more season whether we go up or not.
Terry wants to stay with us for one more season whether we go up or not.I thought the plan was for him and Frankie to team up back at Chelski?
Player/Manager?
Player/Manager?
I certainly wouldn't be against that.
Player/Manager?
I certainly wouldn't be against that.
Admittedly I'm no fan of the man, but why do people think he should be the manager? Is it because he shows PASHUN? Also, he gets his first managerial job and he should combine it with playing?
Aston Villa shouldn't be anyone's first managerial job. It's a club you manage rather than rabble rouse; the expectation is bigger than the budget, but the budget is big enough to bugger you up; if it starts to go wrong you need to call on your experience to stop a very rapid slide; and you can't just smug like Billy Big Bollocks after a couple of wins and think 'job done'. Other than Small Heath goalkeeper you'll be pushed to find a harder job in football.
..... you'll be pushed to find a harder job in football.
I've never understood the rationale behind the belief that good players will somehow transform into brilliant managers. How often has this ever happened?
I feel the same about the usual clamour for ex Villa players to come and manage us.
Exactly. If we were putting out a seniors team they'd be fucking brilliant. But as the next manager? There must be 100's of better qualified candidates.I've never understood the rationale behind the belief that good players will somehow transform into brilliant managers. How often has this ever happened?
I feel the same about the usual clamour for ex Villa players to come and manage us.
See Mellberg and Laursen mentioned at various times, two brilliant players but not sure why they would make great managers, they cover both bases though!
We need a manager with a lingering bitterness about his playing career, like Clough or Ferguson had.
On that basis, anyone who has played for Villa in the last decade should be fine.
We need a manager with a lingering bitterness about his playing career, like Clough or Ferguson had.
On that basis, anyone who has played for Villa in the last decade should be fine.
Let's get Stefan Moore in.
Hasn't Melberg taken a shit team in Scandinavia from the 3rd division to the top flight in two seasons?
We need a manager with a lingering bitterness about his playing career, like Clough or Ferguson had.
On that basis, anyone who has played for Villa in the last decade should be fine.
Let's get Stefan Moore in.
Liam Ridgewell is captain of some ridiculously named MLS team - he's also got the bitterness of having played for both Blues and the Olbiyun.
Sounds like a perfect candidate.
What's Ivor Linton up to these days?
Funnily enough, I think we will do better in the Cardiff game at home because it is likely to be a full house - these games we seem to relish.
Funnily enough, I think we will do better in the Cardiff game at home because it is likely to be a full house - these games we seem to relish.
That's part of the reason I would be quietly confident about getting through the Play-Offs.
So have we confirmed he is stopping? If we don't go up he will have to take a hefty pay drop I imagine.
It sounds a good dressing room. Round also fought his corner well on what a good player Onomah will be and why O' Hare and Doyle-Hayes aren't quite ready yet (expect him out on loan next season). And we only signed Onomah to cover Grealish missing the first few months. Oh yes, and there is about to be a change on Croatians needing work permits and we have scouted the fuck out of the best players there (I may be paraphrasing).
I know I am flitting between threads but the scouting set up is night and day from what we had previously.
The comment about Terry being first on the training ground and last off is interesting in so much as its surprising he's singled out as unusual.
In a dressing room full of former team captains (Jedinak, Hourihane, Lansbury, McCormack) and plenty more who've played at the highest level (Chester, Snodgrass, Hutton, Whelan) it should be ultra-professional at BH.
How the fuck did it become a retirement home for piss-taking players?
And we only signed Onomah to cover Grealish missing the first few months..
I'm saying it clearly got to that point if John Terry stands out for his professionalism. And that's not too say I expected John Terry to be unprofessional, but I also expected all those others I listed to be professional too.
I'm saying it clearly got to that point if John Terry stands out for his professionalism. And that's not too say I expected John Terry to be unprofessional, but I also expected all those others I listed to be professional too.
With the exception of McCormack, who's to say they're not? Terry is obviously doing his best to to keep himself going and at his best for as long as possible and that's great but just because he is being a model professional doesn't really mean the others are not.
I guess Terry is the only one who has played at the highest level - it does say that the others are copying him.
I'd guess we generally have a better disciplined dressing room now, but Terry is the man to watch in terms of how they do it at the top.
Not sure if it's been mentioned but Round also said that if we do not get promoted Terry will be here for another season however if we go up it's to be negotiated.
Not sure if it's been mentioned but Round also said that if we do not get promoted Terry will be here for another season however if we go up it's to be negotiated.
If we don't go up and Terry stays, then surely we have to negotiate a wage cut? Thats not to say he hasn't contributed, but another year of 60k a week for a 38 year old, when we are being hit financially just doesn't feasible to me
And we only signed Onomah to cover Grealish missing the first few months..
I know you're only passing on what you were told, and for that we're grateful, but I'd have to say that statement is absolute rubbish. Why is a player who has been dreadful for months, and who in style of play is nothing like Grealish still getting in squads, at the expense of O'Hare who has been brilliant in every U23 game he's played, and who is much more more in the same creative mould.
I guess Terry is the only one who has played at the highest level - it does say that the others are copying him.
I'd guess we generally have a better disciplined dressing room now, but Terry is the man to watch in terms of how they do it at the top.
I guess Terry is the only one who has played at the highest level - it does say that the others are copying him.
I'd guess we generally have a better disciplined dressing room now, but Terry is the man to watch in terms of how they do it at the top.
He's not though is he. Bruce has bemoaned the fact we've got more than a dozen players disappearing off on international duty. We've got loads of ex-Premier League players (including the likes of Hutton who's played at the San Siro in the Champions League) and a bunch of former captains.
It just astounds me that when a Chelsea player has come in he stands out for his professionalism when compared to the rest of them.
Strange. How many cameos has he had? - not many!And we only signed Onomah to cover Grealish missing the first few months..
I know you're only passing on what you were told, and for that we're grateful, but I'd have to say that statement is absolute rubbish. Why is a player who has been dreadful for months, and who in style of play is nothing like Grealish still getting in squads, at the expense of O'Hare who has been brilliant in every U23 game he's played, and who is much more more in the same creative mould.
They signed Onomah to cover Grealish after he got injured in pre season. They don't think O' Hare is ready yet but is close enough for cameos which is why they didn't let him out on loan in January.
Steve Bruce was well respected as a player in a team that played attractive football and won everything. He played in the same position as the number 26 and has connections at Manchester United, he also managed five clubs before becoming Aston Villa manager, having achieved four promotions. Can't think of too many ex players who have gone straight into management with any success in recent years, especially ones who continue playing.
I guess Terry is the only one who has played at the highest level - it does say that the others are copying him.
I'd guess we generally have a better disciplined dressing room now, but Terry is the man to watch in terms of how they do it at the top.
He's not though is he. Bruce has bemoaned the fact we've got more than a dozen players disappearing off on international duty. We've got loads of ex-Premier League players (including the likes of Hutton who's played at the San Siro in the Champions League) and a bunch of former captains.
It just astounds me that when a Chelsea player has come in he stands out for his professionalism when compared to the rest of them.
The thing is though, you put Chester on your list of players supposedly taking the piss and he's played every game this season. Like Chelts said, they were making the point how seriously John Terry takes it. That does not mean others think of it as a retirement home.
Steve Bruce was well respected as a player in a team that played attractive football and won everything. He played in the same position as the number 26 and has connections at Manchester United, he also managed five clubs before becoming Aston Villa manager, having achieved four promotions. Can't think of too many ex players who have gone straight into management with any success in recent years, especially ones who continue playing.
The last one I remember was King Kenny Dalglish.
I guess Terry is the only one who has played at the highest level - it does say that the others are copying him.
I'd guess we generally have a better disciplined dressing room now, but Terry is the man to watch in terms of how they do it at the top.
He's not though is he. Bruce has bemoaned the fact we've got more than a dozen players disappearing off on international duty. We've got loads of ex-Premier League players (including the likes of Hutton who's played at the San Siro in the Champions League) and a bunch of former captains.
It just astounds me that when a Chelsea player has come in he stands out for his professionalism when compared to the rest of them.
The thing is though, you put Chester on your list of players supposedly taking the piss and he's played every game this season. Like Chelts said, they were making the point how seriously John Terry takes it. That does not mean others think of it as a retirement home.
I'm not saying Chester is taking the piss - the likes of Gabby and Richards are taking the piss.
There just shouldn't be enough off a difference in how John Terry approaches training to how the others do, such that Terry keeps being lauded as this model professional. All those players I've listed shouldn't need John Terry to come in to realise what good looks like. And in turn Grealish shouldn't have needed to wait until Terry arrived to have a role model at the club given the other characters we've got.
Unless of course it's all a load of bollocks designed to make Terry want to stay another season. But then that would risk pissing the others off.
Plus the back room staff. He'd been at the club for 8 years before taking over and his honours as a player during that time are an absolute piss take (3 European cups, 5 league titles, 4 league cups) arguably worthy of his king title.Steve Bruce was well respected as a player in a team that played attractive football and won everything. He played in the same position as the number 26 and has connections at Manchester United, he also managed five clubs before becoming Aston Villa manager, having achieved four promotions. Can't think of too many ex players who have gone straight into management with any success in recent years, especially ones who continue playing.
The last one I remember was King Kenny Dalglish.
And look at the quality of players he inherited.
I guess Terry is the only one who has played at the highest level - it does say that the others are copying him.
I'd guess we generally have a better disciplined dressing room now, but Terry is the man to watch in terms of how they do it at the top.
He's not though is he. Bruce has bemoaned the fact we've got more than a dozen players disappearing off on international duty. We've got loads of ex-Premier League players (including the likes of Hutton who's played at the San Siro in the Champions League) and a bunch of former captains.
It just astounds me that when a Chelsea player has come in he stands out for his professionalism when compared to the rest of them.
Exactly. He isn't just successful, he was the captain of a side that won;
5 league titles
5 FA Cups*
3 League Cups
European Cup
UEFA Cup
He's also been the PFA player of the year and been capped by England 78 times. He's won more in his career than all but 9 or 10 clubs in 140 years.
Clearly there is something about him that made him a great player and that aura and professionalism is something anybody would want to learn from. It doesn't mean everything else in the organisation is poor by comparison.
*he was captain for 4 FA Cup wins.
Exactly. He isn't just successful, he was the captain of a side that won;You forgot his Dad of the year award in 2009 ;-) As has been said it's an impressive honours list.
5 league titles
5 FA Cups*
3 League Cups
European Cup
UEFA Cup
He's also been the PFA player of the year and been capped by England 78 times. He's won more in his career than all but 9 or 10 clubs in 140 years.
Clearly there is something about him that made him a great player and that aura and professionalism is something anybody would want to learn from. It doesn't mean everything else in the organisation is poor by comparison.
*he was captain for 4 FA Cup wins.
So following your example, why weren't Round and Wyness talking about how its great to have Lansbury at the club who Grealish can look up to and learn from? The logical answer would be that Lansbury isn't going above and beyond - so why not? He's not in the team so he should be busting a gut to do so.
If he is doing as you say, but Round and Wyness are only fawning over Terry I'd be pretty pissed off if I was Lansbury. Wouldn't you?
If it's just that Terry's a role model because he's won trophies then why isn't Birkir a role model because he was part of an Iceland team that knocked England out of the Euros, or why isn't Hutton a role model because he's played in the Champions League?
I'm not getting shirty for no reason. Chelsea players should be turning up at the Villa and being impressed at the fact they're at a proper, big club, not turning up showing the rest of the place up for it's unprofessionalism.
So following your example, why weren't Round and Wyness talking about how its great to have Lansbury at the club who Grealish can look up to and learn from? The logical answer would be that Lansbury isn't going above and beyond - so why not? He's not in the team so he should be busting a gut to do so.
If he is doing as you say, but Round and Wyness are only fawning over Terry I'd be pretty pissed off if I was Lansbury. Wouldn't you?
If it's just that Terry's a role model because he's won trophies then why isn't Birkir a role model because he was part of an Iceland team that knocked England out of the Euros, or why isn't Hutton a role model because he's played in the Champions League?
I'm not getting shirty for no reason. Chelsea players should be turning up at the Villa and being impressed at the fact they're at a proper, big club, not turning up showing the rest of the place up for it's unprofessionalism.
He was responding to a question about John Terry. Telling us about Lansbury's training regime would have been an odd answer.
If you are pissed off at some of the unprofessional wasters we have had there in recent years then I agree with you. But I can't work out whether you are most annoyed that players who haven't played at the very top of the game aren't as awe inspiring to youngsters as some who has. Or whether you are just annoyed he came from Chelsea.
I think the point being made is that John Terry despite winning what he has, and now in the twilight of his career still operates at a very high level where many other players (as a general statement) in their final years would coast. And that has been really well received at the club not just by other senior players who may have thought they were doing enough and have stepped things up, but critically it has had a positive influence on younger players, most notably Jack Grealish.
Terry had nothing to prove coming to us. Many saw it as an easy pay day for him. But clearly he hasn't seen it that way and is not only enjoying his football, is leaving a very positive impression on others at the club. Something that has been sorely missing.
So following your example, why weren't Round and Wyness talking about how its great to have Lansbury at the club who Grealish can look up to and learn from? The logical answer would be that Lansbury isn't going above and beyond - so why not? He's not in the team so he should be busting a gut to do so.
If he is doing as you say, but Round and Wyness are only fawning over Terry I'd be pretty pissed off if I was Lansbury. Wouldn't you?
If it's just that Terry's a role model because he's won trophies then why isn't Birkir a role model because he was part of an Iceland team that knocked England out of the Euros, or why isn't Hutton a role model because he's played in the Champions League?
I'm not getting shirty for no reason. Chelsea players should be turning up at the Villa and being impressed at the fact they're at a proper, big club, not turning up showing the rest of the place up for it's unprofessionalism.
He was responding to a question about John Terry. Telling us about Lansbury's training regime would have been an odd answer.
If you are pissed off at some of the unprofessional wasters we have had there in recent years then I agree with you. But I can't work out whether you are most annoyed that players who haven't played at the very top of the game aren't as awe inspiring to youngsters as some who has. Or whether you are just annoyed he came from Chelsea.
I suspect the issue is that it shouldn't take someone coming in from a club like that to make us realise just how shit we've been when we've signed players with good reputations, etc. I'd counter that with a suggestion that the reason Terry has all the trophies he has is because he has the sort of attitude that means he'll do more. Most players will either do as much as they're asked to and nothing more or try to get away with doing less. The ones that make it to the very top level of the game tend to do a lot more on top.
I am suprised Terry only has 78 england caps
I am suprised Terry only has 78 england caps
Was behind Campbell and Ferdinand for a few years then he didn't play while the him being a racist thing was being investigated.
I am suprised Terry only has 78 england caps
Was behind Campbell and Ferdinand for a few years then he didn't play while the him being a racist thing was being investigated.
fair enough I noticed Ashley Cole got 30 more
Useless bit of info but Cheryl was apparently seeing Kieron Dyer on the quiet when that alleged racist toilet incident took place. In a recent interview he said that it was absolute nonsense/bollocks and there was no way she was racist but wasn't able to say at the time because their affair was all hush hush.I am suprised Terry only has 78 england caps
Was behind Campbell and Ferdinand for a few years then he didn't play while the him being a racist thing was being investigated.
fair enough I noticed Ashley Cole got 30 more
He was just married to a racist!
Have we conceded a goal whilst the number 26 hasn’t been playing?
Stop BS'ing... You love JT - said so from the start, even ordering a shirt for the Derby game with 26 on the back.So following your example, why weren't Round and Wyness talking about how its great to have Lansbury at the club who Grealish can look up to and learn from? The logical answer would be that Lansbury isn't going above and beyond - so why not? He's not in the team so he should be busting a gut to do so.
If he is doing as you say, but Round and Wyness are only fawning over Terry I'd be pretty pissed off if I was Lansbury. Wouldn't you?
If it's just that Terry's a role model because he's won trophies then why isn't Birkir a role model because he was part of an Iceland team that knocked England out of the Euros, or why isn't Hutton a role model because he's played in the Champions League?
I'm not getting shirty for no reason. Chelsea players should be turning up at the Villa and being impressed at the fact they're at a proper, big club, not turning up showing the rest of the place up for it's unprofessionalism.
He was responding to a question about John Terry. Telling us about Lansbury's training regime would have been an odd answer.
If you are pissed off at some of the unprofessional wasters we have had there in recent years then I agree with you. But I can't work out whether you are most annoyed that players who haven't played at the very top of the game aren't as awe inspiring to youngsters as some who has. Or whether you are just annoyed he came from Chelsea.
I suspect the issue is that it shouldn't take someone coming in from a club like that to make us realise just how shit we've been when we've signed players with good reputations, etc. I'd counter that with a suggestion that the reason Terry has all the trophies he has is because he has the sort of attitude that means he'll do more. Most players will either do as much as they're asked to and nothing more or try to get away with doing less. The ones that make it to the very top level of the game tend to do a lot more on top.
Also agreed. If my Director is playing golf with a prospective business partner then I run the ship at work. Others of equal grade might not like that or me but shit gets done and nothing bad comes of it they might have to pick up upon their return.
But, when in charge, I am the first one into the office and the last to leave. I explain to quite junior members of staff what I am doing and why if they ask. My lot up their game to fill in for me and start asking for extra work they would avoid like the plague normally.
If someone you know well raises that bar then most follow and the useless shits you already know about will regress. I don't like John Terry as a bloke and never will. But I do understand how setting an example to seasoned Pro's might just drag a bit extra out of them. Whether on the training pitch (write a technical training pack for a new starter) or them thinking "I cod do more to take this youngster under my wing, show them how to succeed and share the pit falls I had fighting the world ten years ago".
It must be a good thing.
I am suprised Terry only has 78 england caps
Was behind Campbell and Ferdinand for a few years then he didn't play while the him being a racist thing was being investigated.
League games onlySo without Terry we would have been top of the table.
With him W16 D7 L8
Without W8 D3 L2
The last few results and clean sheets prove that Terry isn't the god the media would like you to believe. In other words if we go up, he would have played a part, but it is just one part. We are far from a one man team.
Stop BS'ing... You love JT - said so from the start, even ordering a shirt for the Derby game with 26 on the back.So following your example, why weren't Round and Wyness talking about how its great to have Lansbury at the club who Grealish can look up to and learn from? The logical answer would be that Lansbury isn't going above and beyond - so why not? He's not in the team so he should be busting a gut to do so.
If he is doing as you say, but Round and Wyness are only fawning over Terry I'd be pretty pissed off if I was Lansbury. Wouldn't you?
If it's just that Terry's a role model because he's won trophies then why isn't Birkir a role model because he was part of an Iceland team that knocked England out of the Euros, or why isn't Hutton a role model because he's played in the Champions League?
I'm not getting shirty for no reason. Chelsea players should be turning up at the Villa and being impressed at the fact they're at a proper, big club, not turning up showing the rest of the place up for it's unprofessionalism.
He was responding to a question about John Terry. Telling us about Lansbury's training regime would have been an odd answer.
If you are pissed off at some of the unprofessional wasters we have had there in recent years then I agree with you. But I can't work out whether you are most annoyed that players who haven't played at the very top of the game aren't as awe inspiring to youngsters as some who has. Or whether you are just annoyed he came from Chelsea.
I suspect the issue is that it shouldn't take someone coming in from a club like that to make us realise just how shit we've been when we've signed players with good reputations, etc. I'd counter that with a suggestion that the reason Terry has all the trophies he has is because he has the sort of attitude that means he'll do more. Most players will either do as much as they're asked to and nothing more or try to get away with doing less. The ones that make it to the very top level of the game tend to do a lot more on top.
Also agreed. If my Director is playing golf with a prospective business partner then I run the ship at work. Others of equal grade might not like that or me but shit gets done and nothing bad comes of it they might have to pick up upon their return.
But, when in charge, I am the first one into the office and the last to leave. I explain to quite junior members of staff what I am doing and why if they ask. My lot up their game to fill in for me and start asking for extra work they would avoid like the plague normally.
If someone you know well raises that bar then most follow and the useless shits you already know about will regress. I don't like John Terry as a bloke and never will. But I do understand how setting an example to seasoned Pro's might just drag a bit extra out of them. Whether on the training pitch (write a technical training pack for a new starter) or them thinking "I cod do more to take this youngster under my wing, show them how to succeed and share the pit falls I had fighting the world ten years ago".
It must be a good thing.
Maybe
I do think a lot of what he does is minimum fuss stuff though. It’s his positioning to anticipate the cross etc.
I can’t imagine anyone is sayin we shouldn’t have sold Baker how are they? I liked him, but he’s not that good
Maybe
I do think a lot of what he does is minimum fuss stuff though. It’s his positioning to anticipate the cross etc.
I can’t imagine anyone is sayin we shouldn’t have sold Baker how are they? I liked him, but he’s not that good
His ability to play out from the back has transformed our play, Chester is very good on the ball too, either are comfortable stepping out to play a three in midfield. I dont think its any coincidence that players around Terry improve aswell, Johnstone, Chester and Hutton to mention three.
Means we can afford to have a clogger, admittedly an effective one, Whelan or Jedinak in the side. Hourihane isnt one to go looking for the ball off the back either
He has played 31 games - and no way the "promoted" thing was on, as the last home game, we wouldn't know that. And why would you gain from losing a bet having a shirt with your idol on the back?Stop BS'ing... You love JT - said so from the start, even ordering a shirt for the Derby game with 26 on the back.So following your example, why weren't Round and Wyness talking about how its great to have Lansbury at the club who Grealish can look up to and learn from? The logical answer would be that Lansbury isn't going above and beyond - so why not? He's not in the team so he should be busting a gut to do so.
If he is doing as you say, but Round and Wyness are only fawning over Terry I'd be pretty pissed off if I was Lansbury. Wouldn't you?
If it's just that Terry's a role model because he's won trophies then why isn't Birkir a role model because he was part of an Iceland team that knocked England out of the Euros, or why isn't Hutton a role model because he's played in the Champions League?
I'm not getting shirty for no reason. Chelsea players should be turning up at the Villa and being impressed at the fact they're at a proper, big club, not turning up showing the rest of the place up for it's unprofessionalism.
He was responding to a question about John Terry. Telling us about Lansbury's training regime would have been an odd answer.
If you are pissed off at some of the unprofessional wasters we have had there in recent years then I agree with you. But I can't work out whether you are most annoyed that players who haven't played at the very top of the game aren't as awe inspiring to youngsters as some who has. Or whether you are just annoyed he came from Chelsea.
I suspect the issue is that it shouldn't take someone coming in from a club like that to make us realise just how shit we've been when we've signed players with good reputations, etc. I'd counter that with a suggestion that the reason Terry has all the trophies he has is because he has the sort of attitude that means he'll do more. Most players will either do as much as they're asked to and nothing more or try to get away with doing less. The ones that make it to the very top level of the game tend to do a lot more on top.
Also agreed. If my Director is playing golf with a prospective business partner then I run the ship at work. Others of equal grade might not like that or me but shit gets done and nothing bad comes of it they might have to pick up upon their return.
But, when in charge, I am the first one into the office and the last to leave. I explain to quite junior members of staff what I am doing and why if they ask. My lot up their game to fill in for me and start asking for extra work they would avoid like the plague normally.
If someone you know well raises that bar then most follow and the useless shits you already know about will regress. I don't like John Terry as a bloke and never will. But I do understand how setting an example to seasoned Pro's might just drag a bit extra out of them. Whether on the training pitch (write a technical training pack for a new starter) or them thinking "I cod do more to take this youngster under my wing, show them how to succeed and share the pit falls I had fighting the world ten years ago".
It must be a good thing.
We need to be promoted. He needs to play 30 games. And you lot buy the shirt was the deal.
League games onlySo without Terry we would have been top of the table.
With him W16 D7 L8
Without W8 D3 L2
Good interview between JT and Jim White on talksport right now. Loving life at Villa right now, thinks the away support is just incredible, feels really welcomed by everyone in the city.
The very intentional pass to set up Grabban's goal was just superb
The very intentional pass to set up Grabban's goal was just superb
Too right. Shows the calibre of the player - almost everyone else on the pitch would've panicked in that situation but he just controlled it with one foot and played a perfect pass with the other, all in the fraction of a second. It's why he was world class for so long.
The very intentional pass to set up Grabban's goal was just superb
Started conceding and dropping points now the number 26 is back.
Started conceding and dropping points now the number 26 is back.
Not sure if that's tongue in cheek but the sole reason for doing points yesterday was Neil fucking Taylor. If I never see him in a Villa kit again it'll be too soon.
Just seen the goal from yesterday, granted I’m no fan of his but I was expecting something more than the ball bobbling a few inches sideways for the pass after the comments here!
https://talksport.com/football/john-terry-continue-playing-career-aston-villa-former-chelsea-captain-speaks-exclusively
Just seen the goal from yesterday, granted I’m no fan of his but I was expecting something more than the ball bobbling a few inches sideways for the pass after the comments here!
If only if what he did in the moment was that simple. We get it Chris you don’t like him.
I hope he stays for at least another season.
I hope he stays for at least another season.
I know that there's a high likelihood that this'll get me booted off the site, but.... I disagree.
I hope we've signed someone better, because we could now afford them.
Just seen the goal from yesterday, granted I’m no fan of his but I was expecting something more than the ball bobbling a few inches sideways for the pass after the comments here!
If only if what he did in the moment was that simple. We get it Chris you don’t like him.
In all honesty I think it's somewhere in the middle. What he did is what I'd expect from most players (and certainly any defender) in that position but far too often you see players get a rush of blood and try to lash it into the top corner instead of playing the lay off for a tap in.
https://talksport.com/football/john-terry-continue-playing-career-aston-villa-former-chelsea-captain-speaks-exclusivelyThis is a really nice interview from JT.
If Villa go up and he does stay, Villa at Stamford Bridge will be the most vomit inducing match in the club's history should the number 26 allow himself to be selected.
I hope he stays for at least another season.
If Villa go up and he does stay, Villa at Stamford Bridge will be the most vomit inducing match in the club's history should the number 26 allow himself to be selected.
He has always said that he won't play against Chelsea.
Did you actually explain on here somewhere why you hate him quite as much as you do? If so, could you repeat it, because it interests me, but not enough to go and look through the whole thread...If Villa go up and he does stay, Villa at Stamford Bridge will be the most vomit inducing match in the club's history should the number 26 allow himself to be selected.
He has always said that he won't play against Chelsea.
Excellent, if we go up we get rid of him in that case. If we don’t, we should get rid of him just in case we get them in the cup.
I would rather he stayed if we don’t go up, rather than if we do.
I do think hes got a good shout of being in charge at some point! I have no idea if he's done or doing his badges but that seems not to be an issue for some
It's a great interview. I know some people will never change their minds, but it is really difficult to fault his character, commitment or ability since he joined. He really has been an excellent signing.
I do think hes got a good shout of being in charge at some point! I have no idea if he's done or doing his badges but that seems not to be an issue for some
He's doing his badges at the moment and seems to be quite diligent about it.
https://youtu.be/TAGwVNBk5v8
An excellent interview with him.
It's a great interview. I know some people will never change their minds, but it is really difficult to fault his character, commitment or ability since he joined. He really has been an excellent signing.
No, he's the devil incarnate. So says Chris Jameson.
I just hate him, number of reasons, he’s not my ‘pantomime villain’. I wish he wasn’t a Villan though.
It's a great interview. I know some people will never change their minds, but it is really difficult to fault his character, commitment or ability since he joined. He really has been an excellent signing.
No, he's the devil incarnate. So says Chris Jameson.
Chris has his reasons and I admire him for sticking by them. He has explained his reasons on more than one occasion. Instead you are lazy and try and troll other users ATAL, its not a nice thing to do and its not clever.
It's a great interview. I know some people will never change their minds, but it is really difficult to fault his character, commitment or ability since he joined. He really has been an excellent signing.
No, he's the devil incarnate. So says Chris Jameson.
Chris has his reasons and I admire him for sticking by them. He has explained his reasons on more than one occasion. Instead you are lazy and try and troll other users ATAL, its not a nice thing to do and its not clever.
Yawn. In your own words JD - get a sense of humour.
Maybe Chris can explain again as I've never heard his reasons. I can probably guess at them though. Whatever he did in the past I think John has earned the respect of Villa fans. Except for Chris of course. Because of reasons.
It's a great interview. I know some people will never change their minds, but it is really difficult to fault his character, commitment or ability since he joined. He really has been an excellent signing.
No, he's the devil incarnate. So says Chris Jameson.
Chris has his reasons and I admire him for sticking by them. He has explained his reasons on more than one occasion. Instead you are lazy and try and troll other users ATAL, its not a nice thing to do and its not clever.
Yawn. In your own words JD - get a sense of humour.
Maybe Chris can explain again as I've never heard his reasons. I can probably guess at them though. Whatever he did in the past I think John has earned the respect of Villa fans. Except for Chris of course. Because of reasons.
ATAL just stop trolling other people. You are becoming a boring little shit and to be frank you are neither funny or intelligent. If you want to know just PM Chris instead of trying to be smart and clever, because you are neither of them.
of course there is - you're getting on people's tits.
of course there is - you're getting on people's tits.
But not intentionally. I'm disagreeing with Chris's self-professed "hate" of our captain, and because some don't like my message they've resorted to name-calling. Didn't realise there were different rules for some.
of course there is - you're getting on people's tits.
But not intentionally. I'm disagreeing with Chris's self-professed "hate" of our captain, and because some don't like my message they've resorted to name-calling. Didn't realise there were different rules for some.
Would you say you've ever "resorted to name calling?"
of course there is - you're getting on people's tits.
But not intentionally. I'm disagreeing with Chris's self-professed "hate" of our captain, and because some don't like my message they've resorted to name-calling. Didn't realise there were different rules for some.
Would you say you've ever "resorted to name calling?"
Assuming this is a genuine question rather than making a rhetorical point - if ever I have, it's been dealt with appropriately.
of course there is - you're getting on people's tits.
But not intentionally. I'm disagreeing with Chris's self-professed "hate" of our captain, and because some don't like my message they've resorted to name-calling. Didn't realise there were different rules for some.
Would you say you've ever "resorted to name calling?"
Assuming this is a genuine question rather than making a rhetorical point - if ever I have, it's been dealt with appropriately.
First of all you haven't - and I could bring up a couple about me for a start that were so childish they were best ignored. Second, when so many other posters are telling you to stop doing something, there's a good chance that it's you, not them, that are in the wrong.
Woodhall is going to have an aneurysm defending the manager and coaches on this one.
I don't intend to 'discuss' anything with a poster who's been told by several others to moderate their behaviour and who insists they've done nothing wrong. But here's something to be going on with.Woodhall is going to have an aneurysm defending the manager and coaches on this one.
I don't intend to 'discuss' anything with a poster who's been told by several others to moderate their behaviour and who insists they've done nothing wrong. But here's something to be going on with.Woodhall is going to have an aneurysm defending the manager and coaches on this one.
That's not name-calling or even remotely close to being called a 'little shit'.
I don't intend to 'discuss' anything with a poster who's been told by several others to moderate their behaviour and who insists they've done nothing wrong. But here's something to be going on with.Woodhall is going to have an aneurysm defending the manager and coaches on this one.
That's not name-calling or even remotely close to being called a 'little shit'.
It's another example of your trolling though isn't it?
I don't intend to 'discuss' anything with a poster who's been told by several others to moderate their behaviour and who insists they've done nothing wrong. But here's something to be going on with.Quote from: AsTallAsLions link=topic=58359.msg3389686#msg3389686 date=1519488pp859Woodhall is going to have an aneurysm defending the manager and coaches on this one.
That's not name-calling or even remotely close to being called a 'little shit'.
I don't intend to 'discuss' anything with a poster who's been told by several others to moderate their behaviour and who insists they've done nothing wrong. But here's something to be going on with.Woodhall is going to have an aneurysm defending the manager and coaches on this one.
That's not name-calling or even remotely close to being called a 'little shit'.
It's another example of your trolling though isn't it?
Absolute madness is what it is. The humanity! They'd have your arms in some countries for typing that.
Has to be him or Schmeichel.
Question:
Although none achieved with us (yet) is he the most medals won player to have played for us?
I cannot think of a better leader I would want at our club going into the next couple of games.
He may have lost a bit of pace in his legs but his football brain is superb
Question:
Although none achieved with us (yet) is he the most medals won player to have played for us?
Got to be Schmeichel. Pires may have a few as well, including a World Cup
While trying to delve deep into our history to see if any of our Victorians would have amassed a fair few, I stumbled across two records we still hold.
Most FA Cup goals conceded: 539: Aston Villa.
Not normally a cause for celebration, but...
Highest FA Cup goal difference: +305: Aston Villa.
Which by my maths puts us level with Kettering on record goals scored, too.
If Wikipedia is wrong, can I trust no one?
ATAL, many thanks for your message. It’s none of your fucking business is the answer. Maybe if you travel through posts from the past few years you will find the answer you clearly crave.
ATAL, many thanks for your message. It’s none of your fucking business is the answer. Maybe if you travel through posts from the past few years you will find the answer you clearly crave.
ATAL, many thanks for your message. It’s none of your fucking business is the answer. Maybe if you travel through posts from the past few years you will find the answer you clearly crave.
Even the fact that you had to do that publicly speaks volumes, in response to an honest question submitted privately. It's not like I was asking a deeply personal question.
It might not be my business, but maybe don't tell the world with such zeal how much you hate the guy if you're not willing to explain.
Have a great evening.
ATAL, many thanks for your message. It’s none of your fucking business is the answer. Maybe if you travel through posts from the past few years you will find the answer you clearly crave.
Even the fact that you had to do that publicly speaks volumes, in response to an honest question submitted privately. It's not like I was asking a deeply personal question.
It might not be my business, but maybe don't tell the world with such zeal how much you hate the guy if you're not willing to explain.
Have a great evening.
The fact that you're sending people you don't know private messages demanding they justify their public opinion speaks volumes, not the fact that Chris told you it's none of your business. In fact, it's borderline odd.
Sorry to butt in, I haven't been following this discussion too closely but what on earth is this thing of PM-ing questions? This is a public forum isn't it? I'm pretty sure Chris's stance on Terry is well documented on here, if I'd received a PM asking me (politely or not) to explain myself I'd probably react in the same way. The only thing his public reply tells me, ATAL, is that he doesn't appreciate you making it a private matter when his views are already public, if you care to look. I think that's completely fair enough, and I think you need to clamber down off that high horse of yours.
Sorry to butt in, I haven't been following this discussion too closely but what on earth is this thing of PM-ing questions? This is a public forum isn't it? I'm pretty sure Chris's stance on Terry is well documented on here, if I'd received a PM asking me (politely or not) to explain myself I'd probably react in the same way. The only thing his public reply tells me, ATAL, is that he doesn't appreciate you making it a private matter when his views are already public, if you care to look. I think that's completely fair enough, and I think you need to clamber down off that high horse of yours.
As above.
I'll make sure I pass on to JD what a twisted notion you think private messaging is. Not to mention the other H&V users who have sent me messages over the years.
Sorry to butt in, I haven't been following this discussion too closely but what on earth is this thing of PM-ing questions? This is a public forum isn't it? I'm pretty sure Chris's stance on Terry is well documented on here, if I'd received a PM asking me (politely or not) to explain myself I'd probably react in the same way. The only thing his public reply tells me, ATAL, is that he doesn't appreciate you making it a private matter when his views are already public, if you care to look. I think that's completely fair enough, and I think you need to clamber down off that high horse of yours.
As above.
I'll make sure I pass on to JD what a twisted notion you think private messaging is. Not to mention the other H&V users who have sent me messages over the years.
Why would you need to pass it on? It's a public forum, they can see the responses.
Sorry to butt in, I haven't been following this discussion too closely but what on earth is this thing of PM-ing questions? This is a public forum isn't it? I'm pretty sure Chris's stance on Terry is well documented on here, if I'd received a PM asking me (politely or not) to explain myself I'd probably react in the same way. The only thing his public reply tells me, ATAL, is that he doesn't appreciate you making it a private matter when his views are already public, if you care to look. I think that's completely fair enough, and I think you need to clamber down off that high horse of yours.
As above.
I'll make sure I pass on to JD what a twisted notion you think private messaging is. Not to mention the other H&V users who have sent me messages over the years.
Sorry to butt in, I haven't been following this discussion too closely but what on earth is this thing of PM-ing questions? This is a public forum isn't it? I'm pretty sure Chris's stance on Terry is well documented on here, if I'd received a PM asking me (politely or not) to explain myself I'd probably react in the same way. The only thing his public reply tells me, ATAL, is that he doesn't appreciate you making it a private matter when his views are already public, if you care to look. I think that's completely fair enough, and I think you need to clamber down off that high horse of yours.
As above.
I'll make sure I pass on to JD what a twisted notion you think private messaging is. Not to mention the other H&V users who have sent me messages over the years.
Why would you need to pass it on? It's a public forum, they can see the responses.
What's the matter Sheffield, are you feeling left out? Or did you overhear somebody insulting you in a private conversation once? I'd suggest you go talk to someone about it but that would probably require a 1:1 conversation, and unfortunately you don't do those.
Sorry to butt in, I haven't been following this discussion too closely but what on earth is this thing of PM-ing questions? This is a public forum isn't it? I'm pretty sure Chris's stance on Terry is well documented on here, if I'd received a PM asking me (politely or not) to explain myself I'd probably react in the same way. The only thing his public reply tells me, ATAL, is that he doesn't appreciate you making it a private matter when his views are already public, if you care to look. I think that's completely fair enough, and I think you need to clamber down off that high horse of yours.
As above.
I'll make sure I pass on to JD what a twisted notion you think private messaging is. Not to mention the other H&V users who have sent me messages over the years.
Dear me, you really need to lay off the hyperbole. You don't need to pass on anything to JD for me. I don't think PM-ing is a twisted notion. I think you sending a PM to get an explanation that's already out there is unnecessary. Just out of interest (I'm curious, see) have any of the other H&V users who have sent you messages over the years done so to call you a sanctimonious git?
Sorry to butt in, I haven't been following this discussion too closely but what on earth is this thing of PM-ing questions? This is a public forum isn't it? I'm pretty sure Chris's stance on Terry is well documented on here, if I'd received a PM asking me (politely or not) to explain myself I'd probably react in the same way. The only thing his public reply tells me, ATAL, is that he doesn't appreciate you making it a private matter when his views are already public, if you care to look. I think that's completely fair enough, and I think you need to clamber down off that high horse of yours.
As above.
I'll make sure I pass on to JD what a twisted notion you think private messaging is. Not to mention the other H&V users who have sent me messages over the years.
Dear me, you really need to lay off the hyperbole. You don't need to pass on anything to JD for me. I don't think PM-ing is a twisted notion. I think you sending a PM to get an explanation that's already out there is unnecessary. Just out of interest (I'm curious, see) have any of the other H&V users who have sent you messages over the years done so to call you a sanctimonious git?
No need to throw the baby out with the chinchilla bathwater.
Sorry to butt in, I haven't been following this discussion too closely but what on earth is this thing of PM-ing questions? This is a public forum isn't it? I'm pretty sure Chris's stance on Terry is well documented on here, if I'd received a PM asking me (politely or not) to explain myself I'd probably react in the same way. The only thing his public reply tells me, ATAL, is that he doesn't appreciate you making it a private matter when his views are already public, if you care to look. I think that's completely fair enough, and I think you need to clamber down off that high horse of yours.
As above.
I'll make sure I pass on to JD what a twisted notion you think private messaging is. Not to mention the other H&V users who have sent me messages over the years.
Dear me, you really need to lay off the hyperbole. You don't need to pass on anything to JD for me. I don't think PM-ing is a twisted notion. I think you sending a PM to get an explanation that's already out there is unnecessary. Just out of interest (I'm curious, see) have any of the other H&V users who have sent you messages over the years done so to call you a sanctimonious git?
No need to throw the baby out with the chinchilla bathwater.
I don't understand what you're hoping to get from all this. It's like you're going out of your way to provoke arguments with as many people as possible over the most piddling little things. I can't for the life of me see why?
Lots of people on here get on my tits to various levels.
Ultimately, it's only a message board, though.
I used to get a lot more angry on here than I do these days (other than the odd very occasional blow up). I noticed that when i stopped bothering getting into rambling multi-page rucks with people over things like football club wage bills or managers who couldn't stop pissing about with who played at right back, my blood pressure went down and I generally felt much less stressed.
Real life is stressful enough without letting you bozos wind me up.
Plus everyone starts quotathons and my blood pressure goes through the roof.You do realise you may get slated for that comment.
Oh, sorry! Bit slow: I've had a night on the tiles.Too late to be pitching in now.
Oh, sorry! Bit slow: I've had a night on the tiles.Too late to be pitching in now.
Bury him in a quarry.Oh, sorry! Bit slow: I've had a night on the tiles.Too late to be pitching in now.
Don't slate him.
Just to clear up any doubt, I’m not a fan.Why's that then? :o ;)
What I am appreciating more is how very good John Terry must have been in his prime. He's a very intelligent footballer and it must have been a pleasure watching him for Chelsea fans, especially as came up through their academy from the age of 14. He has been superb for us, and he's conducted himself on and off the pitch with immense dignity and professionalism. I'm not giving him a pass for his past, some of it quite unlikeable, but since being with us he'd not put a foot wrong.
Just to clear up any doubt, I’m not a fan.I might pm you.
we are mes que un club.I'd like to see 'Ace club our kid' in giant letters along the Trinity seats.
Just to clear up any doubt, Im not a fan.
the man is still a massive twat...let us not forget.
Dr Gonzo.....fuck off.
Just to clear up any doubt, I’m not a fan.
Just to clear up any doubt, I’m not a fan.
Yawn.
You’ve made your point, many times.
Just to clear up any doubt, I’m not a fan.
Yawn.
You’ve made your point, many times.
I was taking the piss. I’m not though. Go for a nap if you’re tired, I’m knackered, not had one for two days.
Seconded. It’s a badge of honour with some
Just to clear up any doubt, I’m not a fan.
Yawn.
You’ve made your point, many times.
Seconded. It’s a badge of honour with some
Hard as nails.
Hard as the imported nails in that case. Now you mention it, they aren’t as hard as they used to be.
I’m going to blame them for my various DIY disasters.Too fuckin right. Let GKN make all the screws and the world would be a better place.
This is one of my biggest bugbears. You just have to look at a modern screw the wrong way to strip the head to shit.Rubbish, you just need to ensure the correct bit is used and the correct torque is applied, it's not difficult. Amateurs.
This is one of my biggest bugbears. You just have to look at a modern screw the wrong way to strip the head to shit.
This is one of my biggest bugbears. You just have to look at a modern screw the wrong way to strip the head to shit.Rubbish, you just need to ensure the correct bit is used and the correct torque is applied, it's not difficult. Amateurs.
Now listen here, many people, with restricted vision, may mistake a T25 for a PZ2, You really need to have your wits about you when contemplating screwing.This is one of my biggest bugbears. You just have to look at a modern screw the wrong way to strip the head to shit.Rubbish, you just need to ensure the correct bit is used and the correct torque is applied, it's not difficult. Amateurs.
4x4....you are treating on dangerous ground here. I know my screws.
You really need to have your wits about you when contemplating screwing.
You really need to have your wits about you when contemplating screwing.
Ain't that the truth. And after screwing, as well.
Which is what I said just one post earlier, I am the screw master, no tickling or nothing! (shameless Pulp Fiction)You really need to have your wits about you when contemplating screwing.
Ain't that the truth. And after screwing, as well.
There''s more to screwing than meets the eye. You have to have the right screw and the right tool. If you don't you'll finish up with a right problem and you'll be neither able to force it in or get it out.
Which is what I said just one post earlier, I am the screw master, no tickling or nothing! (shameless Pulp Fiction)You really need to have your wits about you when contemplating screwing.
Ain't that the truth. And after screwing, as well.
There''s more to screwing than meets the eye. You have to have the right screw and the right tool. If you don't you'll finish up with a right problem and you'll be neither able to force it in or get it out.
Give me the head, and I'll show you the screw ;)Which is what I said just one post earlier, I am the screw master, no tickling or nothing! (shameless Pulp Fiction)You really need to have your wits about you when contemplating screwing.
Ain't that the truth. And after screwing, as well
There''s more to screwing than meets the eye. You have to have the right screw and the right tool. If you don't you'll finish up with a right problem and you'll be neither able to force it in or get it out.
A porn star in our midst. All professionals welcomed on h & v.
Give me the head, and I'll show you the screw ;)Which is what I said just one post earlier, I am the screw master, no tickling or nothing! (shameless Pulp Fiction)You really need to have your wits about you when contemplating screwing.
Ain't that the truth. And after screwing, as well
There''s more to screwing than meets the eye. You have to have the right screw and the right tool. If you don't you'll finish up with a right problem and you'll be neither able to force it in or get it out.
A porn star in our midst. All professionals welcomed on h & v.
Mods. Have a word. He's a filth merchant.
Were some people singing the praises of the modern screw? Bet they feel right idiots now.
I guarantee when he does go into management Snodgrass will be one of his coaches. When I was talking to Steve Round at AVST AGM he reckons they are like two peas in a pod when it comes to will to win.
I wasn't a fan at all when he first arrived, but he's been superb this season. He's celebrated every win like it was winning the World Cup, so he'll do for me. I reckon we've got under his skin in a good way.
I don't know Chris Jameson's opinions on the underlying causes for the outbreak of the First World War, but I've just sent him a pretty stern PM demanding that he justify his despicable stance on the matter.
I don't know Chris Jameson's opinions on the underlying causes for the outbreak of the First World War, but I've just sent him a pretty stern PM demanding that he justify his despicable stance on the matter.
Hilarious non sequitur, do you do children's birthday parties?
I wasn't a fan at all when he first arrived, but he's been superb this season. He's celebrated every win like it was winning the World Cup, so he'll do for me. I reckon we've got under his skin in a good way.
I wasn't a fan at all when he first arrived, but he's been superb this season. He's celebrated every win like it was winning the World Cup, so he'll do for me. I reckon we've got under his skin in a good way.
I wasn't a fan at all when he first arrived, but he's been superb this season. He's celebrated every win like it was winning the World Cup, so he'll do for me. I reckon we've got under his skin in a good way.
I'm always of the opinion that it's what a player can do on the pitch that counts. Other than in the most extreme of cases where a player has been convicted of a serious criminal offence for example, I don't pay too much attention to his off field activities. Whilst Terry clearly had some skeletons in his cupboard, I never once considered them serious enough to prevent him playing for us. He may not have covered himself in glory but I had no issues with him wearing our shirt.
For me, I was more concerned about where he was in terms of being able to last the pace of a 46 game season and also how he would fare, given he hadn't played much for a couple of seasons. I have to say that he's been fantastic and fully appreciate what having a player/leader like Terry brings to a group of players. However, what has impressed me most has been how humble Terry has been. Not once has he given it the "Big I am" and has conducted himself impeccably during his time here.
If we don't go up this season, I will be sorry to see Terry leave us.
It’s possible that he was mixed up with the outbreak of WW1 because it was caused by the assassination of Archduke Anton Ferdinand.I don't know Chris Jameson's opinions on the underlying causes for the outbreak of the First World War, but I've just sent him a pretty stern PM demanding that he justify his despicable stance on the matter.
Hilarious non sequitur, do you do children's birthday parties?
Its possible that he was mixed up with the outbreak of WW1 because it was caused by the assassination of Archduke Anton Ferdinand.I don't know Chris Jameson's opinions on the underlying causes for the outbreak of the First World War, but I've just sent him a pretty stern PM demanding that he justify his despicable stance on the matter.
Hilarious non sequitur, do you do children's birthday parties?
Boozey, Well written, I enjoyed it. Don't agree mind, yes Terry is 36 yes its the end of his career, but we've got more than a footballer , his a great leader, he's helped bring players on (ask Jack) his a motivator, his professional, and he'll help you out with any problems at home,
What a Bloke!
Its possible that he was mixed up with the outbreak of WW1 because it was caused by the assassination of Archduke Anton Ferdinand.I don't know Chris Jameson's opinions on the underlying causes for the outbreak of the First World War, but I've just sent him a pretty stern PM demanding that he justify his despicable stance on the matter.
Hilarious non sequitur, do you do children's birthday parties?
Which eventually lead to the formation of the beat combo Franz Ferdinand so surely you can understand why I'm not a big fan of War One.
It’s possible that he was mixed up with the outbreak of WW1 because it was caused by the assassination of Archduke Anton Ferdinand.I don't know Chris Jameson's opinions on the underlying causes for the outbreak of the First World War, but I've just sent him a pretty stern PM demanding that he justify his despicable stance on the matter.
Hilarious non sequitur, do you do children's birthday parties?
Which eventually lead to the formation of the beat combo Franz Ferdinand so surely you can understand why I'm not a big fan of War One.
I saw the probable England squad today and didn't know half of them.
I saw the probable England squad today and didn't know half of them.
Me neither. It's not altogether surprising but I've really switched off the PL and most other football since we went down. I catch highlights here and there and watch the odd game, but I couldn't tell you in any depth about what's taken place or certain players coming through.
Have not watched a single Premier League game since Villa went down, and have not watched 'Champions' League games for years...The Premier League and European games hold no interest for me if Villa are not involved.Same here. Similarly, I haven't watched Formula 1 since the mid-90s.
Surely he’s due to score the winner against Fulham.
Have not watched a single Premier League game since Villa went down, and have not watched 'Champions' League games for years...The Premier League and European games hold no interest for me if Villa are not involved.Same here. Similarly, I haven't watched Formula 1 since the mid-90s.
Why is it terrible?Because it's potentially unsettling news leaked a week before our biggest came in 20 odd years? Seems like pretty terrible timing to me.
It also may be a load of bollocks.Yes, it probably is. It's hard to imagine Terry wanting to be part of a United setup or their fans accepting him.
Even if it is terry, I am sure he is able to play one more game without being so distracted he turns to shit.Maybe, but it's a distraction for the whole team and one we could do without.
Even if it is terry, I am sure he is able to play one more game without being so distracted he turns to shit.Maybe, but it's a distraction for the whole team and one we could do without.
Even if it is terry, I am sure he is able to play one more game without being so distracted he turns to shit.Maybe, but it's a distraction for the whole team and one we could do without.
I can understand that, I had no idea who two or three of the players were who made the last England squad. One of them played for Liverpool.
Percy from the Telegraph reporting about Terry playing for us next season if we get promoted could also be with the stipulation that he doesn't have to play against Chelsea.My guess would be this is just speculation. I imagine he would enjoy the ovation he would get if he went back to Stamford Bridge.
I've been really impressed with his conduct on and off the pitch but that request is ridiculous. He's not on-loan from his beloved Blues and we don't pay him £60k+ a week (50% more if we go up?) to dictate a term like that. What if we need a draw at Stamford Bridge on the last day of the season and he decides to have a hard-on in the Matthew Harding stand?
Percy from the Telegraph reporting about Terry playing for us next season if we get promoted could also be with the stipulation that he doesn't have to play against Chelsea.
I've been really impressed with his conduct on and off the pitch but that request is ridiculous. He's not on-loan from his beloved Blues and we don't pay him £60k+ a week (50% more if we go up?) to dictate a term like that. What if we need a draw at Stamford Bridge on the last day of the season and he decides to have a hard-on in the Matthew Harding stand?
Percy from the Telegraph reporting about Terry playing for us next season if we get promoted could also be with the stipulation that he doesn't have to play against Chelsea.
I've been really impressed with his conduct on and off the pitch but that request is ridiculous. He's not on-loan from his beloved Blues and we don't pay him £60k+ a week (50% more if we go up?) to dictate a term like that. What if we need a draw at Stamford Bridge on the last day of the season and he decides to have a hard-on in the Matthew Harding stand?
Hopefully but he's a good journalist and there is a casual quote from Bruce: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2018/05/23/john-terry-could-extend-aston-villa-stay-deal-allows-miss-chelsea/amp/Even if it's not bullshit I would live with it. If we go up his experience and influence over refs could be key to staying up.
The second you let a player dictate when he plays then you're leaving yourself open to future requests, piss taking etc. I've made my views on him plain but the same would apply if we were going to sign Messi and he didn't want to play against a certain side. Be available to play every game Aston Villa play or be available for none.
The second you let a player dictate when he plays then you're leaving yourself open to future requests, piss taking etc. I've made my views on him plain but the same would apply if we were going to sign Messi and he didn't want to play against a certain side. Be available to play every game Aston Villa play or be available for none.
To me it is, no player should ever dictate when he plays or who he does or doesn't play against. I couldn't care less how many medals a player has won. He's not even the best defender at the club so why the smeg should he decide when he plays. It's an honour for him to play for Aston Villa, not the other way round.I completely agree. But 1 - I reckon it's probably bullshit. 2 - If it isn't the benefits in this particular instance probably outweigh the downside.
No professional player would have the arrogance to make such a requestWho would have thought that a professional player who was suspended for a European final would don his kit and join in with the celebrations on the pitch with his team-mates?
Or come up with the idea, and sell it to his manager, to be substituted on the minute of his choosing during his final game for Chelsea, so that he could have a guard of honour ?No professional player would have the arrogance to make such a requestWho would have thought that a professional player who was suspended for a European final would don his kit and join in with the celebrations on the pitch with his team-mates?
Or come up with the idea, and sell it to his manager, to be substituted on the minute of his choosing during his final game for Chelsea, so that he could have a guard of honour ?No professional player would have the arrogance to make such a requestWho would have thought that a professional player who was suspended for a European final would don his kit and join in with the celebrations on the pitch with his team-mates?
Should this come to pass it would just be one more of the "Things wrong with Modern Football : Part X" - the logical evolution of 'not celebrating a goal against your former club'. Although perhaps he could mitigate it by donating to charity the 1/19th of his salary that he would have earned whilst recusing himself from work.
Probably best to wait and see what actually happens though, rather than rushing to condemn him without proof.
Percy from the Telegraph reporting about Terry playing for us next season if we get promoted could also be with the stipulation that he doesn't have to play against Chelsea.
I've been really impressed with his conduct on and off the pitch but that request is ridiculous. He's not on-loan from his beloved Blues and we don't pay him £60k+ a week (50% more if we go up?) to dictate a term like that. What if we need a draw at Stamford Bridge on the last day of the season and he decides to have a hard-on in the Matthew Harding stand?
Exactly. As good as he's been, that would be a deal breaker for me. I'm sure he'd get a hero's reception going back there anyway, so hopefully it's bollocks. Not sure I can think of any other examples of players refusing to play against their old team, probably because it is so daft.
Percy from the Telegraph reporting about Terry playing for us next season if we get promoted could also be with the stipulation that he doesn't have to play against Chelsea.
I've been really impressed with his conduct on and off the pitch but that request is ridiculous. He's not on-loan from his beloved Blues and we don't pay him £60k+ a week (50% more if we go up?) to dictate a term like that. What if we need a draw at Stamford Bridge on the last day of the season and he decides to have a hard-on in the Matthew Harding stand?
Exactly. As good as he's been, that would be a deal breaker for me. I'm sure he'd get a hero's reception going back there anyway, so hopefully it's bollocks. Not sure I can think of any other examples of players refusing to play against their old team, probably because it is so daft.
It is bollocks. Terry spoke to a pundit on TalkSport last night (Higginbothem I think) and said the story was total bullshit.
Aston Villa boss Steve Bruce has sensationally stated that he will not force John Terry to feature against Chelsea next season should his side claim promotion to the Premier League on Saturday.
"We'll not pick him against Chelsea if that's he wants," he said.
BS you say...
Steve Bruce Backs John Terry's Bizarre Chelsea Request Ahead of Wembley Play-Off FinalQuoteAston Villa boss Steve Bruce has sensationally stated that he will not force John Terry to feature against Chelsea next season should his side claim promotion to the Premier League on Saturday.
"We'll not pick him against Chelsea if that's he wants," he said.
https://www.90min.com/posts/6070458-steve-bruce-backs-john-terry-s-bizarre-chelsea-request-ahead-of-wembley-play-off-final (https://www.90min.com/posts/6070458-steve-bruce-backs-john-terry-s-bizarre-chelsea-request-ahead-of-wembley-play-off-final)
BS you say...
Steve Bruce Backs John Terry's Bizarre Chelsea Request Ahead of Wembley Play-Off FinalQuoteAston Villa boss Steve Bruce has sensationally stated that he will not force John Terry to feature against Chelsea next season should his side claim promotion to the Premier League on Saturday.
"We'll not pick him against Chelsea if that's he wants," he said.
https://www.90min.com/posts/6070458-steve-bruce-backs-john-terry-s-bizarre-chelsea-request-ahead-of-wembley-play-off-final (https://www.90min.com/posts/6070458-steve-bruce-backs-john-terry-s-bizarre-chelsea-request-ahead-of-wembley-play-off-final)
Obscure website says the worst case. The horse's mouth says it's bollocks. Let's go with the bullshit and get hysterical.
And what did Bruce actually say? Anything about contract clauses or demands from the player?
"We'll not pick him against Chelsea if that's he wants,"
And what did Bruce actually say? Anything about contract clauses or demands from the player?Quote"We'll not pick him against Chelsea if that's he wants,"
Now that's obviously in response to a journo asking him something along the lines of "We understand John Terry has requested not to play against Chelsea if Villa get promoted. What's your view on that Steve?"
If it were bollocks, surely Bruce would've said that's a load of rubbish, rather than answering the way he did?
Obscure website says the worst case. The horse's mouth says it's bollocks. Let's go with the bullshit and get hysterical.
Who's getting hysterical?
Given Bruce is directly involved in the discussions, how's a direct quote from him not from the horse's mouth?
Since when did the Telegraph become an 'obscure website'?
In a parallel universe with Villa playing Chelsea in a Champions League Final, would John Terry really rather sit it out?
He was rubbish yesterday. Looked every bit his age.
He was rubbish yesterday. Looked every bit his age.
I'm still chuckling at 'John Terry's still-wet dick'.
Then again, I've got a maturity-quotient of 14½.
Good name for a new poster.I'm still chuckling at 'John Terry's still-wet dick'.
Then again, I've got a maturity-quotient of 14½.
Not just me then.
Maybe we can get Gaz Baz back now.
He’s what? 36?
The Daily Mail carrying an article on Newsnow tonight that JT has said his goodbyes to the club. At 37 and 60k a week, and fading by the week, I think this is in the club's best interests. He's been great in terms of lifting the profile of the club and raising professionalism but there comes a time when we need to ditch some of the old timers and move on.
Profile pic already removed from the squad section on the OS. Don't worry though, Micah's still there!
Profile pic already removed from the squad section on the OS. Don't worry though, Micah's still there!
Profile pic already removed from the squad section on the OS. Don't worry though, Micah's still there!
He's still on the squad page
Squad page (https://www.avfc.co.uk/teams/first-team)
Well he certainly is now.Profile pic already removed from the squad section on the OS. Don't worry though, Micah's still there!
He's still on the squad page
Squad page (https://www.avfc.co.uk/teams/first-team)
I can't see him on there.
Profile pic already removed from the squad section on the OS. Don't worry though, Micah's still there!
He's still on the squad page
Squad page (https://www.avfc.co.uk/teams/first-team)
I can't see him on there.
I’m looking on my phone and he’s there. It’s not cached as I don’t go on that page really and the likes of Axel are on it
I can't see Terry or Snodgrass on there.
I'm sure what you want me to do with that link.I can't see Terry or Snodgrass on there.
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If you click on the picture you can see Snoddy is on there. I’ve no idea where the other link came fromI'm sure what you want me to do with that link.I can't see Terry or Snodgrass on there.
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Profile pic already removed from the squad section on the OS. Don't worry though, Micah's still there!
He's still on the squad page
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I can't see him on there.
Absolutely devastated to lose.
Our goal as a football club - players, staff, owner and fans - was to achieve promotion.
It kills me that we weren’t able to achieve what we set out to do.
All I can say is that we gave it our all throughout the season, had incredible support from our fans, but unfortunately fell just short.
Thank you for all the support throughout the season.
Ahh... Thanks.If you click on the picture you can see Snoddy is on there. I’ve no idea where the other link came fromI'm sure what you want me to do with that link.I can't see Terry or Snodgrass on there.
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Hopefully can be replaced by someone with a bit of pace
Wish him well. He's been an excellent captain, and set an example, and been an influence, to the younger players. Best wishes JT.
Hopefully can be replaced by someone with a bit of pace
How? A loan? A free? Who's available that fits that bill?
Top player for us but irrespective of financials it was time to call an end to it. I don't see Terry being a success anywhere else next season, in fact I fully expect him to retire. When we signed him I was very dubious of his motives but he was a superb addition on and off the pitch.
Rumours that he is off to Derby or Rangers. Wouldn’t surprised if he turned up as a coach with Lampard.This- At Derby with Lampard.
he was a big presence but not any outstanding performances I can remember. Chester did most of the grafting.
Delete the thread. Pretend he was never here.This.
Delete the thread. Pretend he was never here.
Look forward to seeing him replaced by a cheap twelve year old.
Rumours that he is off to Derby or Rangers. Wouldn’t surprised if he turned up as a coach with Lampard.This- At Derby with Lampard.
Good luck John and thank you for at least trying.
I doubt he's going to rock up at Derby. Part of the reason Rowett went was the financial restrictions they're now facing.
with respect I think you've massively under valued the influence he had.
with respect I think you've massively under valued the influence he had.
I don't think he had anywhere near the kind of influence that has been suggested, so him going is great news; we can replace him with someone better suited to our team for much less money. We're going to need to do this throughout the team, but this should be one of the easier ones to solve. Not least because we should have been preparing for this gap in the team for a long time.
Ultimately, he was a bit of a Ronny Johnsen signing. But at a much lower level and on much more money.
I don't think he had anywhere near the kind of influence that has been suggested, so him going is great news; we can replace him with someone better suited to our team for much less money. We're going to need to do this throughout the team, but this should be one of the easier ones to solve. Not least because we should have been preparing for this gap in the team for a long time.I agree with this. Whilst there was no doubt about his admirable professionalism overall on the pitch he wasn't that good and let's face it even with Terry in the team we failed. Time to build the defence around Chester with good young players.
Ultimately, he was a bit of a Ronny Johnsen signing. But at a much lower level and on much more money.
Chester was a much, much, much better defender than Terry this season.
Chester was a much, much, much better defender than Terry this season.
Chester was a much, much, much better defender than Terry this season.
I wouldn't disagree that Chester has been superb. But him playing next to Terry will be a feature of that rather than Baker.
Think as a partnership they were great.Chester was a much, much, much better defender than Terry this season.
I wouldn't disagree that Chester has been superb. But him playing next to Terry will be a feature of that rather than Baker.
Chester was a much, much, much better defender than Terry this season.
I wouldn't disagree that Chester has been superb. But him playing next to Terry will be a feature of that rather than Baker.
I think many of us couldn't see anything wrong with the Chester/Baker partnership or why it needed breaking up at the time
Maybe we can get him back on the cheap
Baker's decision making and distribution was awful. To get £5 million for him was good business.
Apologies if I missed it, but couldn't see this:Your opening comment makes no sense to me.
A parting message from John Terry.
“Today I part ways with Aston Villa Football Club. I’m very proud to have had the opportunity to play and captain this great and huge club. I have given my everything this year both on and off the pitch and I’m still hurting today that we never managed to get back to the Premier League, where this club 100% belongs.
“I would like to thank Steve Bruce who was instrumental in me joining Villa, I have learnt so much from him as a manger this season that will stay with me forever.Also, I’d like to thank all the staff and players and our owner Dr Tony, who it was a real pleasure and honour to work with everyday.
“Finally, a special thank you to the Villa supporters who have supported us both home and away in their thousands, up and down the country and have been amazing to me on a personal level. Villa will always have a place in my heart and I will look back on my time here and think about how close we were to reaching our goal. But now going forward, I would like to wish the management, staff, players and supporters good luck for the future.”
Delete the thread. Pretend he was never here.This is a bit uncalled for really.
Delete the thread. Pretend he was never here.This is a bit uncalled for really.
Delete the thread. Pretend he was never here.This is a bit uncalled for really.
Please just don't.
can they afford him and FF?
Terry was a great influence and earned my respect for sure. Refreshing to have one season of his commitment compared to five of hero worshipped Gabby who treated us with contempt.
https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/706597/Frank-Lampard-Derby-John-Terry-Chelsea-manager-Aston-Villa
Star (I know!!) say he’s off to Derby. Can guarantee them going up next season now, just you watch.
The Rams are as hamstrung as we are financially, so I think this is unlikely. Anyway I really appreciated JT's contribution last season but that doesn't mean I'd feel too comfortable with a managerial rookie at the helm, let along two. I think Mel might have dropped a bollock here.
Thats Chester's honeymoon isn't it?
He just has to turn up everywhere doesn't he?
Thats Chester's honeymoon isn't it?If it is their honeymoon than our James needs to be careful with JT sniffing around.
He just has to turn up everywhere doesn't he?
I'm still glass very empty at the moment and my worry is that the professionalism and drive that Terry and Snodgrass served up is going to be lost for good.
Sure they were both pretty ponderous on Saturday but the effect they've both had was obvious. It's not as if Villa has had that as a club ethos for years. The effect of all these leeches and hangers on has poisoned the club and I think it needed another year or so of leadership in the dressing room to sort it out.
fuck me, we've got to cheer up. And that's an order.we need some good news. Anything. The worst thing Re JT is he wanted to stay but was not offered the chance. The irony is not lost that JTs wages are probably less than the combined amount thrown on the Richards/McCormack bonfire every week
The Rams are as hamstrung as we are financially, so I think this is unlikely. Anyway I really appreciated JT's contribution last season but that doesn't mean I'd feel too comfortable with a managerial rookie at the helm, let along two. I think Mel might have dropped a bollock here.
You can bet your bottom dollar that if it was us it would end up as a car crash, but it'll probably bloody work for them!
I think JT the player is bordering past it even at theis level now - Fulham constantly targetted that channel first half and played one through ball that he couldn't turn quickly enough on the edge of his box and bang it was a goal. he would have merit in the dressing room for Lampard though as he did here, by getting the squad unified and on side with the manager.
fuck me, we've got to cheer up. And that's an order.we need some good news. Anything. The worst thing Re JT is he wanted to stay but was not offered the chance. The irony is not lost that JTs wages are probably less than the combined amount thrown on the Richards/McCormack bonfire every week
I'm still glass very empty at the moment and my worry is that the professionalism and drive that Terry and Snodgrass served up is going to be lost for good.
Sure they were both pretty ponderous on Saturday but the effect they've both had was obvious. It's not as if Villa has had that as a club ethos for years. The effect of all these leeches and hangers on has poisoned the club and I think it needed another year or so of leadership in the dressing room to sort it out.
Professionalism rubs off just as much as half arsed behaviour does.
The club has been changed for the better in this regard.
The Rams are as hamstrung as we are financially, so I think this is unlikely. Anyway I really appreciated JT's contribution last season but that doesn't mean I'd feel too comfortable with a managerial rookie at the helm, let along two. I think Mel might have dropped a bollock here.
You can bet your bottom dollar that if it was us it would end up as a car crash, but it'll probably bloody work for them!
I think JT the player is bordering past it even at theis level now - Fulham constantly targetted that channel first half and played one through ball that he couldn't turn quickly enough on the edge of his box and bang it was a goal. he would have merit in the dressing room for Lampard though as he did here, by getting the squad unified and on side with the manager.
The ball was played outside of Hutton to a position where Hutton should have been. It was nothing to do with Terry's turning ability. A fast central defender would have done well to get over to cover Hutton and cut out the advancing player with the ball.
You both just described Nathan baker
The Daily Star is reporting that Terry has already agreed to link up with Lampard at Derby for another season in the Championship
The Daily Star is reporting that Terry has already agreed to link up with Lampard at Derby for another season in the Championship
I wonder if he'll ask to be left out of the games against Villa?
fuck me, we've got to cheer up. And that's an order.we need some good news. Anything. The worst thing Re JT is he wanted to stay but was not offered the chance. The irony is not lost that JTs wages are probably less than the combined amount thrown on the Richards/McCormack bonfire every week
Could claim on the insurance as well ;)fuck me, we've got to cheer up. And that's an order.we need some good news. Anything. The worst thing Re JT is he wanted to stay but was not offered the chance. The irony is not lost that JTs wages are probably less than the combined amount thrown on the Richards/McCormack bonfire every week
Richards/McCormack bonfire.....mmm interesting, strokes chin....solution to some of our FFP issues perhaps
Could claim on the insurance as well ;)fuck me, we've got to cheer up. And that's an order.we need some good news. Anything. The worst thing Re JT is he wanted to stay but was not offered the chance. The irony is not lost that JTs wages are probably less than the combined amount thrown on the Richards/McCormack bonfire every week
Richards/McCormack bonfire.....mmm interesting, strokes chin....solution to some of our FFP issues perhaps
Could claim on the insurance as well ;)fuck me, we've got to cheer up. And that's an order.we need some good news. Anything. The worst thing Re JT is he wanted to stay but was not offered the chance. The irony is not lost that JTs wages are probably less than the combined amount thrown on the Richards/McCormack bonfire every week
Richards/McCormack bonfire.....mmm interesting, strokes chin....solution to some of our FFP issues perhaps
McCormack would burn for weeks.
Not really, we cant afford to be paying him half what we were last year.
Terry to Derby for half we were paying him...shafted or what?
Wonder how JT will be welcomed back to VP after that?
Terry to Derby for half we were paying him...shafted or what?
Wonder how JT will be welcomed back to VP after that?
With generous applause I'd hope.
Terry to Derby for half we were paying him...shafted or what?
Wonder how JT will be welcomed back to VP after that?
With generous applause I'd hope.
Terry to Derby for half we were paying him...shafted or what?
Wonder how JT will be welcomed back to VP after that?
With generous applause I'd hope.
This. Although frankly on the pitch I do believe we'd seen his last hurrah. Think next season may well be one too many for his legs.
That’s what happens at that age, you are fine if playing every week and keeping match fitness, it’s a real bugger if that rhythm is interrupted.Terry to Derby for half we were paying him...shafted or what?
Wonder how JT will be welcomed back to VP after that?
With generous applause I'd hope.
This. Although frankly on the pitch I do believe we'd seen his last hurrah. Think next season may well be one too many for his legs.
Absolutely. I think the layoff for that broken toe did for him; he didn't seem the same player after that.
The bloke was getting slower by the week. It speaks volumes of his desire and commitment to keep playing that he managed to look after himself well enough to drag his body through as much of the season as he did for us.
Good luck to him, I hope his end comes gracefully, but we can probably find better use for a million-and-then-some quid next season.
Terry to Derby for half we were paying him...shafted or what?With a couple of pacy, tricky strikers, hopefully.
Wonder how JT will be welcomed back to VP after that?
The bloke was getting slower by the week. It speaks volumes of his desire and commitment to keep playing that he managed to look after himself well enough to drag his body through as much of the season as he did for us.
Good luck to him, I hope his end comes gracefully, but we can probably find better use for a million-and-then-some quid next season.
We were paying him £3.5m a year. Even at half the salary it's a shite load of money for a bloke who is as old as me.
Very nice ;-)
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Very nice ;-)
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Just heard that JT terminated his contract 4 weeks early when he was made aware of the financial situation at the club... Leaving the club on the 31st May, not the 30th June when all other player contracts expire. #AVFC #ProperFucked
Just heard that JT terminated his contract 4 weeks early when he was made aware of the financial situation at the club... Leaving the club on the 31st May, not the 30th June when all other player contracts expire. #AVFC #ProperFucked
Preferably backdated to when he last was any good. Problem solved.Just heard that JT terminated his contract 4 weeks early when he was made aware of the financial situation at the club... Leaving the club on the 31st May, not the 30th June when all other player contracts expire. #AVFC #ProperFucked
Any chance of Gabby doing the same?
Fair play to him if true.
Preferably backdated to when he last was any good. Problem solved.Just heard that JT terminated his contract 4 weeks early when he was made aware of the financial situation at the club... Leaving the club on the 31st May, not the 30th June when all other player contracts expire. #AVFC #ProperFucked
Any chance of Gabby doing the same?
According to a report in The Times we now have to pay Terry an extra months salary if he doesn’t find another club and the same for gabby - Meaning a potential £1m for July.
It's hard to know who's taking the piss and who is serious on here these days
It's hard to know who's taking the piss and who is serious on here these days
It's true. Although their contracts run out end of June there's a rule that all released players are entitled to be paid for July if they don't get signed by another club in that time.
Hasn't Terry already signed for his mate at Derby?
Gabby we're stuck with the extra month.
He hasn’t signed for them...yetok, but still there's a lot of things to criticise about Villa and Villa players without beating yourself up about one of our best players last season being paid what his contract entitled him to.
According to the Times we will have to pay him £560k if he fails to sign for another club or retires this Summer.
According to the Times we will have to pay him £560k if he fails to sign for another club or retires this Summer.
Who's beating themselves up? I'm just not going to make out like he's some legend we were lucky to have.
In 10 years time hopefully most people will forget he was ever here.
Hang on. If it’s true a contract is a contract like it or not.
It’s not his or Gabby’s or anyone else’s problem if Villa is being run by a rubbish gambler surely and if we offer those terms to him or anyone else we can’t turn round and cry foul.
If we’re bound by it then it’s the owners bloody fault. Villa is a business being run in a very, very shite way. Here’s further evidence of the fact.
Hang on. If it’s true a contract is a contract like it or not.
It’s not his or Gabby’s or anyone else’s problem if Villa is being run by a rubbish gambler surely and if we offer those terms to him or anyone else we can’t turn round and cry foul.
If we’re bound by it then it’s the owners bloody fault. Villa is a business being run in a very, very shite way. Here’s further evidence of the fact.
Hang on. If it’s true a contract is a contract like it or not.
It’s not his or Gabby’s or anyone else’s problem if Villa is being run by a rubbish gambler surely and if we offer those terms to him or anyone else we can’t turn round and cry foul.
If we’re bound by it then it’s the owners bloody fault. Villa is a business being run in a very, very shite way. Here’s further evidence of the fact.
Terry should take it on the chin.Or, send him to Coventry.
Hang on. If it’s true a contract is a contract like it or not.
It’s not his or Gabby’s or anyone else’s problem if Villa is being run by a rubbish gambler surely and if we offer those terms to him or anyone else we can’t turn round and cry foul.
If we’re bound by it then it’s the owners bloody fault. Villa is a business being run in a very, very shite way. Here’s further evidence of the fact.
You do realise that every professional player in the country has the same thing when released?
Hang on. If it’s true a contract is a contract like it or not.
It’s not his or Gabby’s or anyone else’s problem if Villa is being run by a rubbish gambler surely and if we offer those terms to him or anyone else we can’t turn round and cry foul.
If we’re bound by it then it’s the owners bloody fault. Villa is a business being run in a very, very shite way. Here’s further evidence of the fact.
I'd suggest if anyone's to blame, it's probably Jimmy Hill.
Terry should take it on the chin.
Hang on. If it’s true a contract is a contract like it or not.
It’s not his or Gabby’s or anyone else’s problem if Villa is being run by a rubbish gambler surely and if we offer those terms to him or anyone else we can’t turn round and cry foul.
If we’re bound by it then it’s the owners bloody fault. Villa is a business being run in a very, very shite way. Here’s further evidence of the fact.
You do realise that every professional player in the country has the same thing when released?
Absolutely.
Just wondering why the negativity towards someone whose contribution exceeded more than just a season on the pitch?
Right just realized who I’m talking about.
He didn't want another year in the second tier.
He didn't want another year in the second tier.How do you know that? It was made pretty clear to him that we couldn’t afford him.
No those Loan players etc had their day, today we have a glimpse of the future and the future is............bright?
The leadership Terry showed last season and I think he played a big role in re-establishing the connection between fans and players means he would be one older player I wouldn't have a problem with us signing. Someone like him would be really good for the younger players in the squad.
He's retiring and joining the Sky gravy trainI heard Thierry Henry was paid £4M a year for his punditry.😮
I thought it was £2m, either way its he easiest way to top up the pension fund for these guys. It's like getting paid to come simply to talk shite.
The leadership Terry showed last season and I think he played a big role in re-establishing the connection between fans and players means he would be one older player I wouldn't have a problem with us signing. Someone like him would be really good for the younger players in the squad.
No. He can’t come back. No. Bright future and all that.It would be worth it just for another season of your posts Chris!
I'd like Terry on the coaching staff as I agree he would be a very positive influence on some of the squad but we can't afford him. Given the abuse he suffered at VP over the years I think he conducted himself in an exemplary way and ended up with some genuine affection for the club.I don’t think likes and all that are very popular on here so I’ll just say I totally agree with this.
Given the abuse he suffered at VP over the years I think he conducted himself in an exemplary way and ended up with some genuine affection for the club.
So after the start we have made would people be in favour of bring JT back for this season if the contract was on the right terms?
Personally I would because I think he is worth more than just a player ....I also believe he would be pretty fit as hasn't he been training with Chelsea?
We still need a central defender and that would not take up a loan deal either
I'd have him back, no problem. It'd have to be on a fraction of what he was earning last year though, which presumably isn't a problem as he's earning nothing from playing at the moment. He could get his coaching badges done while he's at it.
Even at 38 I reckon he'd be miles better than Elphick, so as a back up to Chester and to help Tuanzebe along, I reckon it'd be a good idea.
Player/Coach deal and bin off Calderwood.
From what I've read today he's taken a TV role in Egypt so we can probably move on now.
I'd have him back, no problem. It'd have to be on a fraction of what he was earning last year though, which presumably isn't a problem as he's earning nothing from playing at the moment. He could get his coaching badges done while he's at it.
Even at 38 I reckon he'd be miles better than Elphick, so as a back up to Chester and to help Tuanzebe along, I reckon it'd be a good idea.
From what I've read today he's taken a TV role in Egypt so we can probably move on now.
Is he hosting the 'The Pyramid Game'?
Media reports suggesting Terry is in talks with Sporting Lisbon.
Media reports suggesting Terry is in talks with Sporting Lisbon.
Sporting have Presidential elections coming up and one of the candidates has spoken to Terry with the idea of maybe playing one more season before he retires and after taking on the role of ambassador of Sporting in the Premier League.
Media reports suggesting Terry is in talks with Sporting Lisbon.
Sporting have Presidential elections coming up and one of the candidates has spoken to Terry with the idea of maybe playing one more season before he retires and after taking on the role of ambassador of Sporting in the Premier League.
Aren’t they financially fucked?
Media reports suggesting Terry is in talks with Sporting Lisbon.
Sporting have Presidential elections coming up and one of the candidates has spoken to Terry with the idea of maybe playing one more season before he retires and after taking on the role of ambassador of Sporting in the Premier League.
Aren’t they financially fucked?
What's the deadline for free transfers? (sorry I know I'm behind.)
Media reports suggesting Terry is in talks with Sporting Lisbon.
Sporting have Presidential elections coming up and one of the candidates has spoken to Terry with the idea of maybe playing one more season before he retires and after taking on the role of ambassador of Sporting in the Premier League.
Aren’t they financially fucked?
There's always money floating around Sporting. The elections should hopefully bring some financial stability and then you have the private investors that take their cut on players sold. Sporting have probably the best youth academy in Europe, the problem is they sell the players before the club ever wins a trophy or two, normally at the demand of the private investors. It's all sadly hand to mouth and has been for far too long.
What makes Sportings better?
No. If he has had no pre season it will take him, at his age, till November to get match fit.
No. If he has had no pre season it will take him, at his age, till November to get match fit.
No. If he has had no pre season it will take him, at his age, till November to get match fit.
Na. He’d go straight into our next game and be as good as ever.
Is Roger Johnson still fit?Don’t know but someone said Jilly Johnson is still fit.
If he's coming then they've already wasted a weeks worth of training and fitness. It doesn't make sense to me that a deal for him would take this long, I don't think it's happening.
Any chance we could amend the title of the thread please by removing the signed bit as it's confusing? Every time I see a post I think he has and when I read it he hasn't.
So, what do people think about John Terry?
I agree. It's not like he's a box to box player.No. If he has had no pre season it will take him, at his age, till November to get match fit.
Na. He’d go straight into our next game and be as good as ever.
Short term - have him back in a heart beatI was thinking that also - but maybe JT isn't that much of a pal with SB and would come even if he is not there.
Long term - I think he would do Bruce a favour and save him his job (as he would be the voice in the dressing room and coach) so this is the bit that concerns me
I don't think Bruce deserves that breathing space
Any chance we could amend the title of the thread please by removing the signed bit as it's confusing? Every time I see a post I think he has and when I read it he hasn't.It's not just me then?
I've taken the "signed" out of the thread title in case anyone misunderstands and thinks it's talking about this season.
Any chance we could amend the title of the thread please by removing the signed bit as it's confusing? Every time I see a post I think he has and when I read it he hasn't.
My heart sinks each time I log on.
He's golfing today somewhere in the smoke so that's another day gone. This is looking increasingly unlikely to me - not because I think he wouldn't come, but that the owners see it as a cheap play by Bruce to get his own way.
Leader, Legend.Sorry Chris ;)
Kidding, kidding :)
He's golfing today somewhere in the smoke so that's another day gone. This is looking increasingly unlikely to me - not because I think he wouldn't come, but that the owners see it as a cheap play by Bruce to get his own way.
Agree, Bruce seems to have no sense of urgency to strengthen the defence having had a period of 6 weeks since the takeover. Be interesting if Chester gets injured for Wales this weekend.....
He's golfing today somewhere in the smoke so that's another day gone. This is looking increasingly unlikely to me - not because I think he wouldn't come, but that the owners see it as a cheap play by Bruce to get his own way.
Agree, Bruce seems to have no sense of urgency to strengthen the defence having had a period of 6 weeks since the takeover. Be interesting if Chester gets injured for Wales this weekend.....
He did try and bring Joe Bryan in. I still think someone will come in at some point.
The way I see it is that suppose JT has lost 60% of his ability at his best, we get 40% of him in our games. If he brings about only a 10% improvement in each of our two full backs, our two other centre backs plus an improvement of 5% to the midfield players we are improved collectively. His experience, leadership and manipulative talent with referees are all a bonus. A substantial one.Totally agree,and its only 60% of his legs.
I agree. It's not like he's a box to box player.No. If he has had no pre season it will take him, at his age, till November to get match fit.
Na. He’d go straight into our next game and be as good as ever.
I think you mean "nous" of which, Bruce has none with his wrecking of the defence!
I do not really want John Terry to come back to Aston Villa. If he does then fair enough.This. Terry was great for us last year but that was a pretty good swan-song for him as well and he's 37 so there are no guarantees that he'd be willing or able to do it again.
What I do want is a manager who knows what he is doing, and I want the players we have to be drilled in going onto the pitch and kicking the arses (literally or tactically) of any team that we play. I want to see that any team that beats us or draws with us goes away needing 48 hours in an ice-bath or emergency surgery, or six months therapy with Dr Melfi or someone.
I voted no in the original poll last season but voted yes this time around.
His influence at Bodymore Heath and in the Villa dressing room has obviously been missed
That's what I think. Seems odd he's not here. I honestly think Bruce thinks Jedinak is the answer. An utterly ridiculous opinion that is going to cost him his job.
I had a very vivid dream last night that I met John Terry and he told me he wasn’t coming back. Make of that what you will
I had a very vivid dream last night that I met John Terry and he told me he wasn’t coming back. Make of that what you will
Did you get to keep the house?
I had a very vivid dream last night that I met John Terry and he told me he wasn’t coming back. Make of that what you will
Did you get to keep the house?
I’ll leave the rest of the narrative up to you
Were either of you naked?
Were either of you naked?
Haha. I thought to ask the same thing.
So what happened then? Your name is XX-rated so you can't blame folk for jumping to conclusions.
So what happened then? Your name is XX-rated so you can't blame folk for jumping to conclusions.
You sir have sex on the brain
If the story of the new owners not sanctioning the return of JT six weeks ago is true, I just can't see them doing it now knowing that Bruce has probably been game playing them on this one.
If the story of the new owners not sanctioning the return of JT six weeks ago is true, I just can't see them doing it now knowing that Bruce has probably been game playing them on this one.
If the story of the new owners not sanctioning the return of JT six weeks ago is true, I just can't see them doing it now knowing that Bruce has probably been game playing them on this one.
I'm damm sure Terry could organise our defence a lot better than our so called manager could. There again most fans could do a better job.
If the story of the new owners not sanctioning the return of JT six weeks ago is true, I just can't see them doing it now knowing that Bruce has probably been game playing them on this one.
I'm damm sure Terry could organise our defence a lot better than our so called manager could. There again most fans could do a better job.
I couldn't. I'd have 2 centre halves in the middle, a left footer at left back and a right footer at right back.
So what happened then? Your name is XX-rated so you can't blame folk for jumping to conclusions.
You sir have sex on the brain
So you were, or weren't naked? I'm still not clear on this point.
John Terry in tomorrow’s Daily Mail...
“I loved my time at Aston Villa. I am still devastated that we didn't go up. The manager, players and supporters were incredible with me but I hate losing and I feel there is unfinished business there”
Just get him back for the season FFS. Organise the back 4, give Nyland some stability in front of him and let the attack win games.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-6144031/amp/JOHN-TERRY-EXCLUSIVE-Im-not-ready-retire-plenty-left-tank.html?__twitter_impression=trueGood read.
He's playing in the Petrov match tomorrow. Could be for that?
Good read and if that's not a pitch for the managers job, I don't know what is.
Good read and if that's not a pitch for the managers job, I don't know what is.
What’s the gist, I can’t open a link from the Daily Nazi.
And now he’s off to sign for Moscow
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/breaking-john-terry-join-spartak-13211077.amp?__twitter_impression=true
Photo on his IG showing him having a medical
"The fans were brilliant. They came to the training ground every day in the build-up to the game against Birmingham.
'Their message, "We would rather be relegated than lose to these!"
Oh dear.
I always felt that as a player he spent all his time working on his own game as he was not a very talented player. Reading that article surprised me in that he has been taking in training methods etc. through most of his career. He clearly understands the modern game and how technical it is. Not saying that it would be the best option but Terry with a DOF that Terry would respect could work. Never thought I would ever say this when he was a Chelsea player.
I think it would be a waste for him to come back as a player under Bruce. We could start planning to bring him back as manager/coach as I do not think he will stay long in Moscow.
He does do "effect". I have never met a villa fan who would say that however i have met plenty from the Sty with that view."The fans were brilliant. They came to the training ground every day in the build-up to the game against Birmingham.
'Their message, "We would rather be relegated than lose to these!"
Oh dear.
Indeed.
He does do "effect". I have never met a villa fan who would say that however i have met plenty from the Sty with that view."The fans were brilliant. They came to the training ground every day in the build-up to the game against Birmingham.
'Their message, "We would rather be relegated than lose to these!"
Oh dear.
Indeed.
The most depressing part is that Collins is still a better centre half than Jedinak. It is woeful incompetence of the manager that has led us to this point, and something he should be paying for with his job.
The one silver lining to the cloud is that playing Jedinak at CB speeds up Bruce's exit from the club.
IfThe one silver lining to the cloud is that playing Jedinak at CB speeds up Bruce's exit from the club.
I still think/hope he’ll try Tuanzebe there with Elmo at right back once Bolasie is fit.
IfThe one silver lining to the cloud is that playing Jedinak at CB speeds up Bruce's exit from the club.
I still think/hope he’ll try Tuanzebe there with Elmo at right back once Bolasie is fit.
You have to think Tuanzebe will be in there immediately if a new manager arrived. Bruce playing him at right back is the most odd thing.
IfBut we've already got an excess of right backs to allow Tuanzebe to move inside if that's what Bruce thinks is our ultimate CB pairing.The one silver lining to the cloud is that playing Jedinak at CB speeds up Bruce's exit from the club.
I still think/hope he’ll try Tuanzebe there with Elmo at right back once Bolasie is fit.
The one silver lining to the cloud is that playing Jedinak at CB speeds up Bruce's exit from the club.
The one silver lining to the cloud is that playing Jedinak at CB speeds up Bruce's exit from the club.
Careful, you'll be accused of wanting Villa to lose and not being a proper fan
Why on earth would he join spartak moscow? makes no sense
i think it's bullshit
The one silver lining to the cloud is that playing Jedinak at CB speeds up Bruce's exit from the club.
Careful, you'll be accused of wanting Villa to lose and not being a proper fan
Why on earth would he join spartak moscow? makes no sense
i think it's bullshit
My feeling is Bruce would sign Terry but the owners won't sign off another £3m quid on a 37 year old for another year
You have to think Tuanzebe will be in there immediately if a new manager arrived. Bruce playing him at right back is the most odd thing.
apart from the fact he's played at right back and defensive midfield more often than centre back for his parent club as well ...
not that it should need repeating
Why on earth would he join spartak moscow? makes no sense
i think it's bullshit
Why on earth would he join spartak moscow? makes no sense
i think it's bullshit
££££££££££££s
Why on earth would he join spartak moscow? makes no sense
i think it's bullshit
££££££££££££s
£150K a week apparently.
Most seem to be suggesting it will be £1.8m for the year.
Am disappointed with terry although I do understand that he has a large debt to pay. Whole matter re resigning him back on board unsatisfactory in my eyes
He's supposedly pulled out of the charity match to go for the medical in Moscow. At least the Russian fans can let him know that he's one of their own.
Am disappointed with terry although I do understand that he has a large debt to pay. Whole matter re resigning him back on board unsatisfactory in my eyes
I can't find anything to corroborate the Spartak story. Loads of outlets doing the usual of repeating someone else's story, and an "Instagram" photo of a needle in an arm could be anybody giving blood. Someone called John Terry, perhaps. And it's not on Terry's IG. And why go to Rome for it? Even Twitter seems quiet, I even suspect some places are getting their "news" from here!
All a bit odd.
Stalking horse?
That's quite a commute, Cobham to Moscow.
There's an article in the S*n today claiming he's become a property magnet so i don't think he's short of a few bob. Reality is we wouldn't or couldn't re-employ him so we're going to have to get used to Jedinak, at least till Bruce gets the tin-tack.
There's an article in the S*n today claiming he's become a property magnet so i don't think he's short of a few bob. Reality is we wouldn't or couldn't re-employ him so we're going to have to get used to Jedinak, at least till Bruce gets the tin-tack.
We tried to do a deal but the two sides were poles apart.
There's an article in the S*n today claiming he's become a property magnet so i don't think he's short of a few bob. Reality is we wouldn't or couldn't re-employ him so we're going to have to get used to Jedinak, at least till Bruce gets the tin-tack.
I cannot be overstated enough the utter negligence of a so called experienced manager to leave us in this mess in the centre of our defence. It’ll cost him his job I’m sure.
Huth hasn't played for over a year. could be a good reason he has no club.
I cannot be overstated enough the utter negligence of a so called experienced manager to leave us in this mess in the centre of our defence. It’ll cost him his job I’m sure.Your absolutely spot on. It’s beyond belief he didn’t resolve this situation in the window. It’s one of the most important positions in the team which was filled by a top class player and leader. To replace him with a aging mediocre midfielder is incompetence at its highest. I’d sack him now. This and failing last season is enough grounds surely?
I would personally like to see Axel move across, with Jedinak going back to his DM role. Elmo could then move back to RB to accommodate Bolasie.
I would personally like to see Axel move across, with Jedinak going back to his DM role. Elmo could then move back to RB to accommodate Bolasie.
It’s so bleeding obvious that I would have doubts about Bruce’s sanity if it doesn’t h
I can see that Bruce doesn’t think Axel is experienced enough to play at centre half, but then why does he leave him stranded at RB?
I would personally like to see Axel move across, with Jedinak going back to his DM role. Elmo could then move back to RB to accommodate Bolasie.
It’s so bleeding obvious that I would have doubts about Bruce’s sanity if it doesn’t happen.
I would personally like to see Axel move across, with Jedinak going back to his DM role. Elmo could then move back to RB to accommodate Bolasie.
He should have done it already
It’s so bleeding obvious that I would have doubts about Bruce’s sanity if it doesn’t happen.
Seconded and thirded.
I cannot be overstated enough the utter negligence of a so called experienced manager to leave us in this mess in the centre of our defence. It’ll cost him his job I’m sure.
To be fair to Bruce, Elphick is poor and a liability like Samba. He was not a Bruce purchase and we have been trying to move him on for sometime.
I think Bruce has been let down by John Terry here although I don't blame Terry - he has to do what he needs to do financially. The main thing Bruce has got wrong is reading the situation and it could be costly for SB, for the club and for us.
To be fair to Bruce, Elphick is poor and a liability like Samba. He was not a Bruce purchase and we have been trying to move him on for sometime.Why has Bruce been let down by Terry? Not signing a contract that doesn't appear to have been offered?
I think Bruce has been let down by John Terry here although I don't blame Terry - he has to do what he needs to do financially. The main thing Bruce has got wrong is reading the situation and it could be costly for SB, for the club and for us.
All this talk of magnets and Ferrous Bueller will bring on a pun fest. Be warned. We are being drawn towards it.I just fail to see the attraction
We are poles apart on this oneAll this talk of magnets and Ferrous Bueller will bring on a pun fest. Be warned. We are being drawn towards it.I just fail to see the attraction
We are poles apart on this oneAll this talk of magnets and Ferrous Bueller will bring on a pun fest. Be warned. We are being drawn towards it.I just fail to see the attraction
maybe we should encompass our owners NSWE :)We are poles apart on this oneAll this talk of magnets and Ferrous Bueller will bring on a pun fest. Be warned. We are being drawn towards it.I just fail to see the attraction
I'm finding these magnet puns utterly repellent. So stop it.
I take it as a bit of a vote of no confidence from the board I Bruce tbh. I suspect Bruce and JT thought he would be coming back here "because we're desperate" and the board have still said no, we're not giving a near 38 year a deal on big wages, make do with the squad YOU have assembled.
Not sure as to why someone would have blocked his comeback. At the moment without decent cover at cb we are going nowhere. Jt at least would have given us hope. We may possibly now miss out on the play offs
Not sure as to why someone would have blocked his comeback. At the moment without decent cover at cb we are going nowhere. Jt at least would have given us hope. We may possibly now miss out on the play offs
Because it appears the board told him he couldn't re-sign Terry weeks ago and he then fucked about leaving it too late to sign an alternative which has left us short. He's backed them in to a corner by asking for JT again so I can understand them telling him bollocks.
Not sure as to why someone would have blocked his comeback. At the moment without decent cover at cb we are going nowhere. Jt at least would have given us hope. We may possibly now miss out on the play offs
Because it appears the board told him he couldn't re-sign Terry weeks ago and he then fucked about leaving it too late to sign an alternative which has left us short. He's backed them in to a corner by asking for JT again so I can understand them telling him bollocks.
I'm not sure it's as simple as that regarding transfers. Surely the board are the ones handling all the transfer negotiations and targets rather than Bruce running the whole show. If anything I'd expect the board would take the blame for failing to get deals done and leaving us short.
Not sure as to why someone would have blocked his comeback. At the moment without decent cover at cb we are going nowhere. Jt at least would have given us hope. We may possibly now miss out on the play offs
Because it appears the board told him he couldn't re-sign Terry weeks ago and he then fucked about leaving it too late to sign an alternative which has left us short. He's backed them in to a corner by asking for JT again so I can understand them telling him bollocks.
I'm not sure it's as simple as that regarding transfers. Surely the board are the ones handling all the transfer negotiations and targets rather than Bruce running the whole show. If anything I'd expect the board would take the blame for failing to get deals done and leaving us short.
Unless they unequivocally told him no to Terry and to find an alternative and he basically said 'fuck you' by failing to do so then asking again for JT. If I was them, I'd say 'no and pack your bags, this time'. Mind, there's no saying that's what happened.
him saying there was unfinished business at Villa is the biggest clue I would have thought. And it still might be, only not as a player.
Reports from Russia saying Terry has changed his mind so won’t be joining Spartak
Reports from Russia saying Terry has changed his mind so won’t be joining Spartak
I wonder if Bruce tees-off with a putter.He carries six number two irons - to go " right back " into his bag
I'd love to see him back in an expanded player coaching role, a set fee for the latter and a pay as you play deal for the former.
I really hope he's doing an Unsworth as we type.
Right now Terry returning seems by far the most favourable solution to dig us out of a defensive hole entirely of our own making.
There is also the added bonus that we get to see Chris Jameson explode.
I really hope he's doing an Unsworth as we type.
Right now Terry returning seems by far the most favourable solution to dig us out of a defensive hole entirely of our own making.
There is also the added bonus that we get to see Chris Jameson explode.
He's a very good player, in demand, that would improve us no end.
He's a very good player, in demand, that would improve us no end.
The only attributes he has these days are his influence over referee's and his ability to talk to others. I admire that about him, but he got deeper and deeper and his legs are gone. This potential transfer just shows me how ill prepared Bruce is.
Just want his future resolved so we can get on with our wives.
He's a very good player, in demand, that would improve us no end.
The only attributes he has these days are his influence over referee's and his ability to talk to others. I admire that about him, but he got deeper and deeper and his legs are gone. This potential transfer just shows me how ill prepared Bruce is.
He's a very good player, in demand, that would improve us no end.
The only attributes he has these days are his influence over referee's and his ability to talk to others. I admire that about him, but he got deeper and deeper and his legs are gone. This potential transfer just shows me how ill prepared Bruce is.
His legs are gone? By that measurement having watched our lot vs Sheff Utd recently all their legs are gone.
Just want his future resolved so we can get on with our wives.
I don't think my wife cares one way or another about Terry. Although obviously Wayne Bridges' other half clearly did back in the day.
surely we would fall foul of FFP by paying Terry £60k plus a week?
Who is this Ladbrokes fella, is he a centre back?Yes but Brucie thinks he’ll do a job as kit man.
Pedant alert. Is that 1/2 (2/1 on) or 2/1 (2/1 against) him coming? If it is the latter Ladbrokes know he is not, despite Joe Coral being JT's bookie of choice.
off to Derby then?Yep, I’m surprised it didn’t happen sooner.
I think its up to the owners not JT . They obviously dont want him.
Of course, John Terry is the only centre half in the whole wide world and it’s totally correct that so many people should put all their faith in coming back to the club and be so disappointed if (when) he doesn’t re-sign.
For fucks sake people, let it go.
worry about the real reason why we are completely compromised in the middle of our defence.
Talksport have today reported that he has rejected a move to Moscow for personal reasons.
I'm ambivalent towards him coming back but would like to think he would bring organisation and harmony to the squad (it's a different debate to suggest the manager should be able to deliver that!!)
I would be disappointed to see him deliver that to a rival in our division though, so I guess I'm leaning on please re-sign him!!
Talksport have today reported that he has rejected a move to Moscow for personal reasons.
They're just a day late reporting what he posted on Instagram then
Talksport have today reported that he has rejected a move to Moscow for personal reasons.Is Today Today or is it Tomorrow or was it Yesterday?
Talksport have today reported that he has rejected a move to Moscow for personal reasons.Is Today Today or is it Tomorrow or was it Yesterday?
Just a thought - maybe we're ho;ding off until after the Wednesday game when after a haul of four points out of nine he'll be appointed player manager!
I still have my Martin Laursen shirt so it will save me splashing out my old age pension on a new one.
I still have my Martin Laursen shirt so it will save me splashing out my old age pension on a new one.
Have you got any boots Brian, I can't believe that you'd be any less mobile than Jedinak.
I still have my Martin Laursen shirt so it will save me splashing out my old age pension on a new one.
Have you got any boots Brian, I can't believe that you'd be any less mobile than Jedinak.
I'm getting the feeling you don't rate him that highly?
I see him on the school run occasionally, he looks like he has the weight of the world on his shoulders.
chelsea boss saying hes open to JT returning as a coach .
chelsea boss saying hes open to JT returning as a coach .
The full interview said that he'd offered Terry a coach position but Terry said he wanted to play for another year.
According to someone on Twitter that seems to get more right than wrong we've offered Terry 25k a week plus a coaching role. And we've upped it to 30k
Sounds reasonable to me.
According to someone on Twitter that seems to get more right than wrong we've offered Terry 25k a week plus a coaching role. And we've upped it to 30k
Sounds reasonable to me.
It sounds reasonable to me too. Give him a bigger role when we lose to Blackburn.
According to someone on Twitter that seems to get more right than wrong we've offered Terry 25k a week plus a coaching role. And we've upped it to 30k
Sounds reasonable to me.
It sounds reasonable to me too. Give him a bigger role when we lose to Blackburn.
That's the spirit!
Time for Terry to put-up or shut-up now. If he really cares about the club, and feels like he has 'unfinished business' then he'll snap our hands-off for £30k a week.
Time for Terry to put-up or shut-up now. If he really cares about the club, and feels like he has 'unfinished business' then he'll snap our hands-off for £30k a week.
Of course he will, I mean why would he want to do a job somewhere else and get paid two or three times as much?
I still have my Martin Laursen shirt so it will save me splashing out my old age pension on a new one.
Have you got any boots Brian, I can't believe that you'd be any less mobile than Jedinak.
I'm getting the feeling you don't rate him that highly?
I see him on the school run occasionally, he looks like he has the weight of the world on his shoulders.
Just lock the thread...he 'aint coming back
Terry would be a good fit. He knows the club and can organise and most of all is a good leader.Maybe he would if those were the only attributes needed to manage a football club.
Just seen that Terry has retired from playing football. Is this true?Yep, shame if he is coming, could have been useful up until xmas.
This is all going to end badly.
This is all going to end badly.
Why?
This is all going to end badly.
Why?
It's the whole package not just Terry - just doesn't sit right with me. We need experience right now to move us forward. Only two names I would feel confident with of whom we have half a chance they may just say yes - Rodgers and Smith.
This is all going to end badly.
Why?
It's the whole package not just Terry - just doesn't sit right with me. We need experience right now to move us forward. Only two names I would feel confident with of whom we have half a chance they may just say yes - Rodgers and Smith.
This is all going to end badly.
Quite “randomly” 30 min ago the AVFC Twitter feed wished John Terry congratulations on a great career...
Quite “randomly” 30 min ago the AVFC Twitter feed wished John Terry congratulations on a great career...
This is all going to end badly.
Experience like somebody who has been in this league and got a few sides up. Who knows what it's about...
Quite “randomly” 30 min ago the AVFC Twitter feed wished John Terry congratulations on a great career...
Experience like somebody who has been in this league and got a few sides up. Who knows what it's about...
A Chelsea fan told me that Terry had taken a role coaching their Under 23's. This was last Thursday.
I was recently surprised to learn that a lot of ex pros looking to get into coaching don’t get paid to work with the kids at clubs, it’s all voluntary with the hope of stepping up later and getting paid.
My only concern would be Terry possibly treading on the managers toes, overstepping the mark sort of thing. A bit "I'm JT, you're only Dean Smith". Hope not.
I’m out of here!
I completely changed my mind on him last season. Thought he was excellent for us, on and off the pitch. Brought a winning and professional attitude to the club which was surely lacking, hopes he does the same again, and judging on last season I don't think he'll cause a problem for Smith.
I’m out of here!
I’m out of here!
I’m out of here!
Can't you just give it a rest and appreciate what he did for us last season and what he might do in the future for us?
I agree. I think we should change his name entirely to something inoffensive like Russell Stevens or Gerald Appleyard. Reinvent him completely.
He only posted four words. Nobody died.
I’m out of here!
Can't you just give it a rest and appreciate what he did for us last season and what he might do in the future for us?
Well said.
Chris I like you but it's really old and tired now. We all get it that you don't like him.
He only posted four words. Nobody died.
It's pretty much guaranteed that the second he pressed 'post' a few people died. Their deaths may not have been related to posting those four and a bit words though.
He only posted four words. Nobody died.
It's pretty much guaranteed that the second he pressed 'post' a few people died. Their deaths may not have been related to posting those four and a bit words though.
Hadn't thought of it that way.
In many ways, Jameson has blood on his hands.
No wonder he was so keen to get away today.
He only posted four words. Nobody died.
It's pretty much guaranteed that the second he pressed 'post' a few people died. Their deaths may not have been related to posting those four and a bit words though.
Hadn't thought of it that way.
In many ways, Jameson has blood on his hands.
No wonder he was so keen to get away today.
Every time he claps his hands an African child dies.
My only concern would be Terry possibly treading on the managers toes, overstepping the mark sort of thing. A bit "I'm JT, you're only Dean Smith". Hope not.
I quite like that Terry is here. Continuity for him and for us, a conduit for our more difficult players should they object to the manager's ideas, a respected and calming influence all round - it makes perfect sense to me.
I am pleased with both appointments although I expect that a couple of years down the line that Terry will be looking to be number one so is going to get linked with any number of jobs. The fact that we now appear to have a professional structure in place should ensure we can manage that without causing wholesale change.
Before we all clamour for the return of Terry the player - he has missed all of pre season, he has been on holiday for most of it and he is now 38
It would probably take the rest of this year in full on training to get anywhere near enough fit to play - and I am sure he will have other things to concentrate on
It will be interesting to see where he fits in amongst Smith's backroom staff, especially if Richard O'Kelly comes in.
It will be interesting to see where he fits in amongst Smith's backroom staff, especially if Richard O'Kelly comes in.
Richard O’Kelly has joined
Before we all clamour for the return of Terry the player - he has missed all of pre season, he has been on holiday for most of it and he is now 38
It would probably take the rest of this year in full on training to get anywhere near enough fit to play - and I am sure he will have other things to concentrate on
It will be interesting to see where he fits in amongst Smith's backroom staff, especially if Richard O'Kelly comes in.
Richard O’Kelly has joined
It can’t have been a coincidence that he formally retired during the period he was being recruited, it just seems odd given the fact we are so desperate for a centre half. I can only imagine he’s either chronically unfit or he wants to separate playing and coaching roles.
It will be interesting to see where he fits in amongst Smith's backroom staff, especially if Richard O'Kelly comes in.
Richard O’Kelly has joined
Very reassuring read.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2018/10/13/john-terryhappy-learn-ropes-new-aston-villa-manager-dean-smith/
Didn't John Percy say we were looking at a manager who wasn't even in the betting?
Didn't John Percy say we were looking at a manager who wasn't even in the betting?
I think that was Alan Nixon - he later said he was talking about Patrick Vieira.
Looking at it from Terry's perspective, it's a fantastic opportunity to work daily with such a great Coach. It's a very smart move on his side and should help him develop into the Manager he wants to be long term. Comparisons with Lampard should be shelved for a few years. Let's see where both are in 5 years time. My money is firmly on Terry.
Looking at it from Terry's perspective, it's a fantastic opportunity to work daily with such a great Coach. It's a very smart move on his side and should help him develop into the Manager he wants to be long term. Comparisons with Lampard should be shelved for a few years. Let's see where both are in 5 years time. My money is firmly on Terry.
Yep. Terry is going down a road called 'Mourinho' whereas Lampard is going down one called 'Paul Ince'
If you listen to the Brentford fans wishing Smith all the best as it was a lifelong ambition to come to Villa, then I really hope in a good few years and when he is ready we can do the same when JT eventually takes up a Managers role elsewhere - especially if it was with Chelsea
Although we maybe a bigger team than them by then ;)
Just a quick request - can we now please stop all the Appleyard shit and give our assistant coach some basic respect by calling him by his real name.Exactly.
It's only about five, maybe three, people on an internet forum who call him Appleyard you know. Nothing to worry about really.
I think that is really unfair to Lampard. He’s from a totally different era unlike the likes of Ince, Bruce etc. The new breed are thinking, knowledgeable footballers, such as Terry and Henry who bring so much more to the game IMOLooking at it from Terry's perspective, it's a fantastic opportunity to work daily with such a great Coach. It's a very smart move on his side and should help him develop into the Manager he wants to be long term. Comparisons with Lampard should be shelved for a few years. Let's see where both are in 5 years time. My money is firmly on Terry.
Yep. Terry is going down a road called 'Mourinho' whereas Lampard is going down one called 'Paul Ince'
I think that is really unfair to Lampard. He’s from a totally different era unlike the likes of Ince, Bruce etc. The new breed are thinking, knowledgeable footballers, such as Terry and Henry who bring so much more to the game IMOLooking at it from Terry's perspective, it's a fantastic opportunity to work daily with such a great Coach. It's a very smart move on his side and should help him develop into the Manager he wants to be long term. Comparisons with Lampard should be shelved for a few years. Let's see where both are in 5 years time. My money is firmly on Terry.
Yep. Terry is going down a road called 'Mourinho' whereas Lampard is going down one called 'Paul Ince'
For those that have any doubts..Terry - "I'm starting at the bottom". Hmmm; could have phrased that slightly differently!
Terry - "I'm starting at the bottom". Hmmm; could have phrased that slightly differently!I am sure he means his position at the club rather than the Club.
Yeah I thought that could definitely have been phrased better, especially as he's standing next to and has the same coaching title/position as Richard O'Kelly?! But in context though I think he was talking about Lampard and Gerrard and relating it to them going straight in as managers to big(-ish) clubs rather than a coach or at a club in the lower leagues.Terry - "I'm starting at the bottom". Hmmm; could have phrased that slightly differently!I am sure he means his position at the club rather than the Club.
O'Kelly came across as someone who had won the lotto, he can barely believe he's here.
O'Kelly came across as someone who had won the lotto, he can barely believe he's here.
Having watched his coaching meeting with Smith to young, upcoming, talented coaches, my only fault in him is he's not 5 years younger. His enthusiasm for the game is everything I want to hear. Add to that his love of the talent available - even just working with 11/13 players. We're in good hands.
Loved how Terry mentioned he'd already been in a situation this morning, first day, where opinions are counted and it got a bit tasty.
Easy to say now but it looks like we have finally found a group of coaches that can maximise the talent we have. I can't wait for Saturday. I'm just so proud that the fans, having suffered so much shit for 18 years, will be there to show we are who we say we are. Amazing support.
Three Wise Men. Onwards and upwards.
O'Kelly came across as someone who had won the lotto, he can barely believe he's here.
Having watched his coaching meeting with Smith to young, upcoming, talented coaches, my only fault in him is he's not 5 years younger. His enthusiasm for the game is everything I want to hear. Add to that his love of the talent available - even just working with 11/13 players. We're in good hands.
Loved how Terry mentioned he'd already been in a situation this morning, first day, where opinions are counted and it got a bit tasty.
Easy to say now but it looks like we have finally found a group of coaches that can maximise the talent we have. I can't wait for Saturday. I'm just so proud that the fans, having suffered so much shit for 18 years, will be there to show we are who we say we are. Amazing support.
Three Wise Men. Onwards and upwards.
Re the fans, I went to buy tickets in upper trinity a couple of days ago and there were about 50 left in the wings, not the best seats tbh. Went on last night after my mate confirmed he could go and they had released a load more they had offered to former UH season ticket holders but were now in Gen sale. Only about 5/600 but if anyone was thinking of going its worth mentioning. Absolutely fucking outstanding effort though - 41000+ for a mid table clash in the second division against a club from the other end of the UK. Unprecedented.
Absolutely fucking outstanding effort though - 41000+ for a mid table clash in the second division against a club from the other end of the UK. Unprecedented.
Absolutely fucking outstanding effort though - 41000+ for a mid table clash in the second division against a club from the other end of the UK. Unprecedented.
Swansea's closer to Villa Park than Norwich is to Villa Park
Absolutely fucking outstanding effort though - 41000+ for a mid table clash in the second division against a club from the other end of the UK. Unprecedented.
Swansea's closer to Villa Park than Norwich is to Villa Park
Yeah, but it's in a different country!
I’m more of a leg man myself.He's starting from the bottom you know!
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I wish he'd spend a bit more time teaching our defence how to defend.
I wish he'd spend a bit more time teaching our defence how to defend.The scale of the mess Bruce left behind should be remembered when commenting on our current coaching staff. It's required a total rebuild of our defence which will take time but it is happening. We've got to stick by them and show a bit of patience. Something us Villa fans are not known for unfortunately.
Tuanzebe wasn't doing too badly either before his injury !
Be nice to know quite what Terry is doing to earn his money at the club. Anyone?
I haven’t seen many matches this season, but sounds like we are struggling at the back. That’s terry’s domain?
Earn your fkn salary John
Be nice to know quite what Terry is doing to earn his money at the club. Anyone?
I havent seen many matches this season, but sounds like we are struggling at the back. Thats terrys domain?
Earn your fkn salary John
To my knowledge it's never been suggested even once by the club that he's employed as a defensive coach
Where did you see that? I know of no such remit but maybe i missed something. I think it's more of an assumption from some fans.
To my knowledge it's never been suggested even once by the club that he's employed as a defensive coach
I believe that is his remit which obviously isn't going too well!
Why is this such a big deal? He’s part of the staff, he’s learning the trade and his attitude has been excellent.
Where did you see that? I know of no such remit but maybe i missed something. I think it's more of an assumption from some fans.
To my knowledge it's never been suggested even once by the club that he's employed as a defensive coach
I believe that is his remit which obviously isn't going too well!
Why is this such a big deal? He’s part of the staff, he’s learning the trade and his attitude has been excellent.
Totally agree Toronto.
So it's not an assumption by the fans? It is his remit? How do you know this?Where did you see that? I know of no such remit but maybe i missed something. I think it's more of an assumption from some fans.
To my knowledge it's never been suggested even once by the club that he's employed as a defensive coach
I believe that is his remit which obviously isn't going too well!
You won't see it anywhere, you haven't missed anything and it isn't an assumption!
So it's not an assumption by the fans? It is his remit? How do you know this?Where did you see that? I know of no such remit but maybe i missed something. I think it's more of an assumption from some fans.
To my knowledge it's never been suggested even once by the club that he's employed as a defensive coach
I believe that is his remit which obviously isn't going too well!
You won't see it anywhere, you haven't missed anything and it isn't an assumption!
I really wasn't trying to bait you. You said that you believe it was his remit and i asked how you knew. Thought you might know something i didn't. Sorry if you think i'm having a pop at you.So it's not an assumption by the fans? It is his remit? How do you know this?Where did you see that? I know of no such remit but maybe i missed something. I think it's more of an assumption from some fans.
To my knowledge it's never been suggested even once by the club that he's employed as a defensive coach
I believe that is his remit which obviously isn't going too well!
You won't see it anywhere, you haven't missed anything and it isn't an assumption!
You know full well I won't answer that, believe it or not it really doesn't bother me one little bit, serves me right for posting it in the first place, lesson learnt!
One can make an assumption that people be queued up on here lavishing JT if villa were making clean sheets.It's shocking that only bottom club Ipswich (50) and Rotherham (48) have conceded more goals than us (46).
If villa displayed and we're showing some
defensive improvement rather than what's currently on offer then JT would be being acknowledged as some sort of master defence coach !
Let's be fair
It's on our FB Page. Also in the Sky Sports video section.Sorry Sir.
It's on our FB Page. Also in the Sky Sports video section.Sorry Sir.
Felt like you gave me a caning.It's on our FB Page. Also in the Sky Sports video section.Sorry Sir.
Eh? Just trying to show you where it is: https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/11706079/leeds-allow-villa-to-equalise
Who else has seen the vid of JT..."That's fair....that's fair...fuck off mate, Shush....Shush, you fat shit"...to Biesla having a paddy.
It's on our FB Page. Also in the Sky Sports video section.Sorry Sir.
Eh? Just trying to show you where it is: https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/11706079/leeds-allow-villa-to-equalise
Why on earth would he ditch a Premier League job working with and learning from Deano to go and live and work in that shithole?!
Why on earth would he ditch a Premier League job working with and learning from Deano to go and live and work in that shithole?!- money
The vast majority of people would be tempted to leave an assistant manager role to have a go at being manager somewhere, especially somewhere with realistic ambitions of playing in the top flight.
The vast majority of people would be tempted to leave an assistant manager role to have a go at being manager somewhere, especially somewhere with realistic ambitions of playing in the top flight.
Villa and Derby are in a play off final in a few days. Two ex-Chelsea men from each club get linked with jobs for next season. Just sounds like more lazy journalism to me.
Something tells me that we'd cope without him.
Something tells me that we'd cope without him.
Yeah, probably, but we could do without the distraction. Although, if not true, I guess they are pissing themselves in training.
So you’re not attributing any of our defensive improvements to his knowledge and ability? Just a good egg?
i would also be surprised if he moved into management, I mean who else would we get too hand out the bibs and place the cones - The sooner that racist leaves my club the better it will be! and he can take his pencil case, crayons and felt tips, colouring book with him and I will not give him another thought.
So you’re not attributing any of our defensive improvements to his knowledge and ability? Just a good egg?
So you’re not attributing any of our defensive improvements to his knowledge and ability? Just a good egg?
No not really. Mainly because the defence looked shit until Mings came in, so I am going to attribute the improvement mainly due to having better players available. Not that I am dismissive of his coaching, or dislike him. I just don't think losing an inexperienced coach that will be replaced by someone as good (if not better) is a big deal.
i would also be surprised if he moved into management, I mean who else would we get too hand out the bibs and place the cones - The sooner that racist leaves my club the better it will be! and he can take his pencil case, crayons and felt tips, colouring book with him and I will not give him another thought.
John Terry has been brilliant for Aston Villa full stop.
So by extension surely that makes Dean Smith every bit as bad or as lucky when players came in. Because pre Mings the defence looked terrible. And while Jack was out the team looked quite dreadful. So should we get a more experienced manager if we go up vs one who has only ever managed outside the PL say a lower level?
i would also be surprised if he moved into management, I mean who else would we get too hand out the bibs and place the cones - The sooner that racist leaves my club the better it will be! and he can take his pencil case, crayons and felt tips, colouring book with him and I will not give him another thought.
My first contact with John Terry was when he visited Acorns the Christmas before last. Despite a rather unpleasant Villa PR woman desperately trying to get the whole visit over and done with as quickly as possible, John Terry insisted on speaking to every single child and their family. He came across very well. More recently when he is staying in the Midlands he has based himself at the establishment my seventeen year old son now works at as a trainee chef and he has been very nice to my son and taken an interest in his career development. My son thinks he is a great bloke and based on my one off meeting with him I agree. I am however under strict instructions from my son not to reveal where he is based.
On a personal note I really want to keep JT especially if we go up can you imagine back in the Premier League we could attract a better class of player because most top players would love to work with John Terry and he would be better serving a season coaching in the Premier League playing in it is one thing getting the experience coaching in it would be better for him than taking the Boro job and having another season in the Championship.
i would also be surprised if he moved into management, I mean who else would we get too hand out the bibs and place the cones - The sooner that racist leaves my club the better it will be! and he can take his pencil case, crayons and felt tips, colouring book with him and I will not give him another thought.
My first contact with John Terry was when he visited Acorns the Christmas before last. Despite a rather unpleasant Villa PR woman desperately trying to get the whole visit over and done with as quickly as possible, John Terry insisted on speaking to every single child and their family. He came across very well. More recently when he is staying in the Midlands he has based himself at the establishment my seventeen year old son now works at as a trainee chef and he has been very nice to my son and taken an interest in his career development. My son thinks he is a great bloke and based on my one off meeting with him I agree. I am however under strict instructions from my son not to reveal where he is based.
It's the Rollason Wood hotel in Erdington.
On a personal note I really want to keep JT especially if we go up can you imagine back in the Premier League we could attract a better class of player because most top players would love to work with John Terry and he would be better serving a season coaching in the Premier League playing in it is one thing getting the experience coaching in it would be better for him than taking the Boro job and having another season in the Championship.
Surely other players think he's a c*** as much as other fans do?
Not Tyrone Ming’s.On a personal note I really want to keep JT especially if we go up can you imagine back in the Premier League we could attract a better class of player because most top players would love to work with John Terry and he would be better serving a season coaching in the Premier League playing in it is one thing getting the experience coaching in it would be better for him than taking the Boro job and having another season in the Championship.
Surely other players think he's a c*** as much as other fans do?
Not Tyrone Ming’s.On a personal note I really want to keep JT especially if we go up can you imagine back in the Premier League we could attract a better class of player because most top players would love to work with John Terry and he would be better serving a season coaching in the Premier League playing in it is one thing getting the experience coaching in it would be better for him than taking the Boro job and having another season in the Championship.
Surely other players think he's a c*** as much as other fans do?
Signed a new contract, through to 2021.
https://www.avfc.co.uk/News/2019/06/19/john-terry-signs-new-contract
#prayforChrisJameson
Theres a reasonable chance that he will succeed someone as our Head Coach when the time is right so it makes sense for him to stay.
Good news, Mings likes him......
Good news.
It’s going to be nauseous when he goes back to Chelsea for the first time mind.
Good news.
It’s going to be nauseous when he goes back to Chelsea for the first time mind.
Urghhh. Can you imagine the fawning London press? Sky Sports will explode, half and half scarves with JT and Fat Fwank shaking hands on them, Bob Hoskins face with a speech bubble saying ‘ands across the ocean’.
When the press get all syrupy over “JT” and his return to Chelsea, as vomit inducing as it will be, I will happily remind myself that it is only happening because we are once again a PL club.And over a couple of seasons Terry played a big part in that achievement.
I'm really pleased JT as extended his contract it sends out a message we are back and we intend on moving in a upward trajection we don't want any staff members picked off for other clubs to benefit from we are all in this together.
I haven't watched this, but he's sporting quite the boyfriend's revenge on his left peeper.I got to a little under 3 minutes and lost the will to carry on. Fucking. Boring.
I wonder what he actually does at the club. I'm not seeing any signs that our defence is getting better from coaching.
The Dean that has just had a 4 year contract extension?
I have heard he is a very good skier.I wonder what he actually does at the club. I'm not seeing any signs that our defence is getting better from coaching.
He seems to do naff all from the dugout as well, stay up or be relegated, he'll be off in May.
Maybe. But what if the manager has asked him to focus on certain areas? What if the midfield can’t keep a hold of the ball or if they keep giving it away and thus putting extra pressure on the defence. What if one of the manager tactics like yesterday was to have Hause launch long cross field passes to nobody thus conceding possession? What if earlier in the season our CF couldn’t hold the ball when it was lumped up to him and it came back immediately. There’s lots of reasons why a defence doesn’t perform. Not saying he’s not accountable but why would it be exclusively a failure on the part of one of the assistant coaches?
Its not sorely terry its all the coaching staff
I don’t think it is the defense, it’s what is in front of them.It's a factor, sure, but it doesn't explain how disorganised we are at set pieces. That's purely down to coaching.
Not sure how you coach Hause to stop kicking it to the opposition, that is a lack of ability.
It is always difficult to judge how good or bad an assistant manager/coach is. If the team are doing well everyone automatically accepts they must be good, if the team are doing badly they eventually get questioned when in reality we never really know one way or the other how good or bad they are and how much say or influence they do or don't have.
I have never had so much difficulty working out where the fault lies for our serial inability to avoid decline. The manager is erratic and stubborn, the coaching staff are not able to rectify elementary shortcomings but through it all shines the incompetence of player acquisition. We have bought too many bad players.
The whole what does John Terry do is a red herring. If your boss wants to play a certain way and it leaves the entire defence exposed because the midfield is 1) shit and 2) plays some open football that only gives the ball away constantly, then you can Baresi and Maldini back there and it would be the same. They are constantly going to be under pressure and make mental and physical errors. I’m not saying he might not have done a better job, but the way we play or try to starts with and ends with the manager. I bet if he was part of Chris Wilders staff they would look much the same as they do now.Exactly, it’s been the same all season. The midfield has been the problem all season.
I read TV's comment as more a reflection on Smith than on the MF situation (both of which ae valid).The whole what does John Terry do is a red herring. If your boss wants to play a certain way and it leaves the entire defence exposed because the midfield is 1) shit and 2) plays some open football that only gives the ball away constantly, then you can Baresi and Maldini back there and it would be the same. They are constantly going to be under pressure and make mental and physical errors. I’m not saying he might not have done a better job, but the way we play or try to starts with and ends with the manager. I bet if he was part of Chris Wilders staff they would look much the same as they do now.Exactly, it’s been the same all season. The midfield has been the problem all season.
Still learning.Is he?
Still learning.Is he?
Where's the evidence?
Think you'd end-up switching to the electric bike.
How do we know he's shit?
Is that his new fragrance: Racism by Terry.How do we know he's shit?
It's mainly the stench of racism for me.
Interested in the Bristol City vacancy.
Last year in Div 2, we only had the 11th best defence and shipped 20 more goals than Sheff Utd.
So far this season, we've already let in 62.
And case you're asking Sheff United have conceded 33.
Would he be missed?
How do we know he's shit?Because we are about to be relegated?
That must mean quite a lot of people at the club are shit also.How do we know he's shit?Because we are about to be relegated?
Think you'd end-up switching to the electric bike.
That's one that sounds the most like a Suede lyric!
It's Terry's first coaching job, seems to me he's keeping his head down and learning the ropes like he said he would. Have we ever been so critical of a coach before? We really dont know if he's any good at it or not.
Might have been an idea to give him the responsibility of looking after one of the younger teams as well so at least the results could have given us a pointer as to his competence and suitability for the first team managers job.
I can see him getting the gig at the sty.
How does anyone actually know what he does well enough to make a defined judgement on him? For all we know he could have certain views that don’t align entirely with Dean Smith and in the end it’s the manager who makes the final call. We are putting entirely too much stock on him because of his name. I don’t get some of the vitriol towards him as a member of Aston Villa. He was superb as a player for us. He’s now a coach. He has never said one bad word about us. Always speaking highly of the club and fans even as a Chelsea player.
yes he was i saw all of his home appearances for us and even at 37 his performances were largely outstanding. He also brought leadership to the team .
At least we had someone who would let the ref know we have had enough of his poor decisions.Good point.
At least we had someone who would let the ref know we have had enough of his poor decisions.
I don't know if he is any good as a coach but I can't recall a time that a coach at the club has been blamed more for the on pitch performances.Dean has 2 assistants Terry and O'Kelly the latter doesn't seem to attract any criticism of his coaching ability where as there is a perception from some if Terry left we would improve...
I don't know if he is any good as a coach but I can't recall a time that a coach at the club has been blamed more for the on pitch performances.Dean has 2 assistants Terry and O'Kelly the latter doesn't seem to attract any criticism of his coaching ability where as there is a perception from some if Terry left we would improve...
I don't know if he is any good as a coach but I can't recall a time that a coach at the club has been blamed more for the on pitch performances.Dean has 2 assistants Terry and O'Kelly the latter doesn't seem to attract any criticism of his coaching ability where as there is a perception from some if Terry left we would improve...
Fair point but I think it's the incongruity of Terry being a top level defender for years as a player, yet us having a league one quality defence
I never imagined when Terry came on board we'd end up with the (2nd)* worst defence in the league. It's shocking stat - 65 goals conceded.
*Let's see what tomorrow brings.
I never imagined when Terry came on board we'd end up with the (2nd)* worst defence in the league. It's shocking stat - 65 goals conceded.And highest number of goals conceded from set pieces.
*Let's see what tomorrow brings.
I never imagined when Terry came on board we'd end up with the (2nd)* worst defence in the league. It's shocking stat - 65 goals conceded.And highest number of goals conceded from set pieces.
*Let's see what tomorrow brings.
I never imagined when Terry came on board we'd end up with the (2nd)* worst defence in the league. It's shocking stat - 65 goals conceded.
*Let's see what tomorrow brings.
He deserves his chance in management so I will wish him the best. (and prays)
He deserves his chance in management so I will wish him the best. (and prays)
However the downside is Chris Jameson will be back.....
I wasn't belittling his contribution to Villa so much as his contribution to humanity.
I wasn't belittling his contribution to Villa so much as his contribution to humanity.
I wasn't belittling his contribution to Villa so much as his contribution to humanity.
Let him who is without sin cast the first stone.
Do you not believe that people can change or should past indiscretions always be held against people? Judged on his behaviour and professionalism with us I would say he certainly has put that sort of behaviour behind him.
I wasn't belittling his contribution to Villa so much as his contribution to humanity.
Let him who is without sin cast the first stone.
Do you not believe that people can change or should past indiscretions always be held against people? Judged on his behaviour and professionalism with us I would say he certainly has put that sort of behaviour behind him.
Yes, I believe in redemption. And good luck to him if he's changed. However, on something as trivial football supporting I retain a right to pettyness, prejudice and an inherrent dislike of John Terry.
I wasn't belittling his contribution to Villa so much as his contribution to humanity.
Let him who is without sin cast the first stone.
Do you not believe that people can change or should past indiscretions always be held against people? Judged on his behaviour and professionalism with us I would say he certainly has put that sort of behaviour behind him.
Yes, I believe in redemption. And good luck to him if he's changed. However, on something as trivial football supporting I retain a right to pettyness, prejudice and an inherrent dislike of John Terry.
Amen. One of the funniest sights in post lockdown football has been Terry taking the knee for BLM
I wasn't belittling his contribution to Villa so much as his contribution to humanity.
Let him who is without sin cast the first stone.
Do you not believe that people can change or should past indiscretions always be held against people? Judged on his behaviour and professionalism with us I would say he certainly has put that sort of behaviour behind him.
Yes, I believe in redemption. And good luck to him if he's changed. However, on something as trivial football supporting I retain a right to pettyness, prejudice and an inherrent dislike of John Terry.
Amen. One of the funniest sights in post lockdown football has been Terry taking the knee for BLM
As someone who isn’t white and has been subject to racism in my life I applaud anyone who has tried to embrace change. Mistakes are made. Those who refuse to learn from them are the problem. You can view anything you want through a cynical lense. I’d prefer to look at that incident as something he has tried to grow from and hasn’t repeated and if it means he has a greater understanding of systemic racism in sport and society then good for him.
I wasn't belittling his contribution to Villa so much as his contribution to humanity.
Let him who is without sin cast the first stone.
Do you not believe that people can change or should past indiscretions always be held against people? Judged on his behaviour and professionalism with us I would say he certainly has put that sort of behaviour behind him.
Yes, I believe in redemption. And good luck to him if he's changed. However, on something as trivial football supporting I retain a right to pettyness, prejudice and an inherrent dislike of John Terry.
Amen. One of the funniest sights in post lockdown football has been Terry taking the knee for BLM
As someone who isn’t white and has been subject to racism in my life I applaud anyone who has tried to embrace change. Mistakes are made. Those who refuse to learn from them are the problem. You can view anything you want through a cynical lense. I’d prefer to look at that incident as something he has tried to grow from and hasn’t repeated and if it means he has a greater understanding of systemic racism in sport and society then good for him.
Surely that guard of fucking honour on 26 minutes ought to be reason enough to deplore him.And nicely followed by slipping the kit on for the European cup.
Surely that guard of fucking honour on 26 minutes ought to be reason enough to deplore him.And nicely followed by slipping the kit on for the European cup.
As someone who isn’t white and has been subject to racism in my life I applaud anyone who has tried to embrace change. Mistakes are made. Those who refuse to learn from them are the problem. You can view anything you want through a cynical lense. I’d prefer to look at that incident as something he has tried to grow from and hasn’t repeated and if it means he has a greater understanding of systemic racism in sport and society then good for him.
Well said.I wasn't belittling his contribution to Villa so much as his contribution to humanity.
Let him who is without sin cast the first stone.
Do you not believe that people can change or should past indiscretions always be held against people? Judged on his behaviour and professionalism with us I would say he certainly has put that sort of behaviour behind him.
Yes, I believe in redemption. And good luck to him if he's changed. However, on something as trivial football supporting I retain a right to pettyness, prejudice and an inherrent dislike of John Terry.
Amen. One of the funniest sights in post lockdown football has been Terry taking the knee for BLM
As someone who isn’t white and has been subject to racism in my life I applaud anyone who has tried to embrace change. Mistakes are made. Those who refuse to learn from them are the problem. You can view anything you want through a cynical lense. I’d prefer to look at that incident as something he has tried to grow from and hasn’t repeated and if it means he has a greater understanding of systemic racism in sport and society then good for him.
I wasn't belittling his contribution to Villa so much as his contribution to humanity.
Let him who is without sin cast the first stone.
Do you not believe that people can change or should past indiscretions always be held against people? Judged on his behaviour and professionalism with us I would say he certainly has put that sort of behaviour behind him.
Yes, I believe in redemption. And good luck to him if he's changed. However, on something as trivial football supporting I retain a right to pettyness, prejudice and an inherrent dislike of John Terry.
Amen. One of the funniest sights in post lockdown football has been Terry taking the knee for BLM
As someone who isn’t white and has been subject to racism in my life I applaud anyone who has tried to embrace change. Mistakes are made. Those who refuse to learn from them are the problem. You can view anything you want through a cynical lense. I’d prefer to look at that incident as something he has tried to grow from and hasn’t repeated and if it means he has a greater understanding of systemic racism in sport and society then good for him.
Well said, he's allegedly done/said a few despicable things in his lifetime, but if people can't change for the better then we're all doomed.
I'm disaapointed at how few people call him by his correct name, Appleyard.
Possibly the least funny thing on H&V ever. Well maybe second least behind Glen Peens curling one out.I'm disaapointed at how few people call him by his correct name, Appleyard.
I've never understood this term.
Come on, the side splitting why did Barry not take the penalty and Agent ......Possibly the least funny thing on H&V ever. Well maybe second least behind Glen Peens curling one out.I'm disaapointed at how few people call him by his correct name, Appleyard.
I've never understood this term.
Come on, the side splitting why did Barry not take the penalty and Agent ......Possibly the least funny thing on H&V ever. Well maybe second least behind Glen Peens curling one out.I'm disaapointed at how few people call him by his correct name, Appleyard.
I've never understood this term.
are further examples of great wit
Come on, the side splitting why did Barry not take the penalty and Agent ......Possibly the least funny thing on H&V ever. Well maybe second least behind Glen Peens curling one out.I'm disaapointed at how few people call him by his correct name, Appleyard.
I've never understood this term.
are further examples of great wit
Its because Fabregas had caught him late and he was off the pitch at the time.
Ah yes. And now I remember some idiot kept trying to get the name 'Airport Boy' to stick for Callum O'Hare. Absolutely nobody else joined in, but that didn't stop him trying.Come on, the side splitting why did Barry not take the penalty and Agent ......Possibly the least funny thing on H&V ever. Well maybe second least behind Glen Peens curling one out.I'm disaapointed at how few people call him by his correct name, Appleyard.
I've never understood this term.
are further examples of great wit
I'm disaapointed at how few people call him by his correct name, Appleyard.While he's with us he'll always be Gerald Appleyard to me PWS.
If he goes, it'll be our best move of the summer.
Not guilty, although the association is obvious.Ah yes. And now I remember some idiot kept trying to get the name 'Airport Boy' to stick for Callum O'Hare. Absolutely nobody else joined in, but that didn't stop him trying.Come on, the side splitting why did Barry not take the penalty and Agent ......Possibly the least funny thing on H&V ever. Well maybe second least behind Glen Peens curling one out.I'm disaapointed at how few people call him by his correct name, Appleyard.
I've never understood this term.
are further examples of great wit
Ah yes. And now I remember some idiot kept trying to get the name 'Airport Boy' to stick for Callum O'Hare. Absolutely nobody else joined in, but that didn't stop him trying.
He’s played for us, and he works for us as a coach so for the last few years he’s been dedicated to us and we paid and pay his wages. Why are some so obsessed about his ties to Chelsea. Should he just cut them off completely just because he’s with us? He’s was there from the time he was a kid and won literally everything with them as captain. It’s hardly a surprise he really, really likes them still and is very interested in how they do.Perhaps he could have managed a celebration when we took the lead against them at VP recently then.
Sometimes wonder who pays Terry's wages and who he works for.
Priorities seem to be what's going on at Chelsea ( latest eg.... Declan Rice).
Ah yes. And now I remember some idiot kept trying to get the name 'Airport Boy' to stick for Callum O'Hare. Absolutely nobody else joined in, but that didn't stop him trying.Come on, the side splitting why did Barry not take the penalty and Agent ......Possibly the least funny thing on H&V ever. Well maybe second least behind Glen Peens curling one out.I'm disaapointed at how few people call him by his correct name, Appleyard.
I've never understood this term.
are further examples of great wit
Sometimes wonder who pays Terry's wages and who he works for.
Priorities seem to be what's going on at Chelsea ( latest eg.... Declan Rice).
What has Declan Rice got to do with Chelsea?
He’s played for us, and he works for us as a coach so for the last few years he’s been dedicated to us and we paid and pay his wages. Why are some so obsessed about his ties to Chelsea. Should he just cut them off completely just because he’s with us? He’s was there from the time he was a kid and won literally everything with them as captain. It’s hardly a surprise he really, really likes them still and is very interested in how they do.
Sometimes wonder who pays Terry's wages and who he works for.
Priorities seem to be what's going on at Chelsea ( latest eg.... Declan Rice).
What has Declan Rice got to do with Chelsea?
Nothing, other than trying to sign him.
Sometimes wonder who pays Terry's wages and who he works for.
Priorities seem to be what's going on at Chelsea ( latest eg.... Declan Rice).
What has Declan Rice got to do with Chelsea?
Nothing, other than trying to sign him.
Nice quote fail.
The papers say they are trying to sign him or maybe they just met on holiday.
He’s played for us, and he works for us as a coach so for the last few years he’s been dedicated to us and we paid and pay his wages. Why are some so obsessed about his ties to Chelsea. Should he just cut them off completely just because he’s with us? He’s was there from the time he was a kid and won literally everything with them as captain. It’s hardly a surprise he really, really likes them still and is very interested in how they do.Perhaps he could have managed a celebration when we took the lead against them at VP recently then.
He’s played for us, and he works for us as a coach so for the last few years he’s been dedicated to us and we paid and pay his wages. Why are some so obsessed about his ties to Chelsea. Should he just cut them off completely just because he’s with us? He’s was there from the time he was a kid and won literally everything with them as captain. It’s hardly a surprise he really, really likes them still and is very interested in how they do.Perhaps he could have managed a celebration when we took the lead against them at VP recently then.
Who cares? Players who have played for us and score against us don’t celebrate. It’s stupid. He’s dedicated three of his playing/coaching career to us and been a consummate pro throughout, yet is still hated by some. It’s bizarre.
He’s played for us, and he works for us as a coach so for the last few years he’s been dedicated to us and we paid and pay his wages. Why are some so obsessed about his ties to Chelsea. Should he just cut them off completely just because he’s with us? He’s was there from the time he was a kid and won literally everything with them as captain. It’s hardly a surprise he really, really likes them still and is very interested in how they do.Perhaps he could have managed a celebration when we took the lead against them at VP recently then.
Who cares? Players who have played for us and score against us don’t celebrate. It’s stupid. He’s dedicated three of his playing/coaching career to us and been a consummate pro throughout, yet is still hated by some. It’s bizarre.
And he's been handsomely rewarded for his 'dedication'.
I'm disaapointed at how few people call him by his correct name, Appleyard.While he's with us he'll always be Gerald Appleyard to me PWS.
He’s played for us, and he works for us as a coach so for the last few years he’s been dedicated to us and we paid and pay his wages. Why are some so obsessed about his ties to Chelsea. Should he just cut them off completely just because he’s with us? He’s was there from the time he was a kid and won literally everything with them as captain. It’s hardly a surprise he really, really likes them still and is very interested in how they do.Perhaps he could have managed a celebration when we took the lead against them at VP recently then.
Who cares? Players who have played for us and score against us don’t celebrate. It’s stupid. He’s dedicated three of his playing/coaching career to us and been a consummate pro throughout, yet is still hated by some. It’s bizarre.
And he's been handsomely rewarded for his 'dedication'.
Did you expect him not to be paid or not to be paid what the person or club felt he is worth? How about anyone else who has managed or played for us? Are they not "dedicated" because they have been handsomely paid?
I'm disaapointed at how few people call him by his correct name, Appleyard.While he's with us he'll always be Gerald Appleyard to me PWS.
Have googled the name, still none the wiser
I'm disaapointed at how few people call him by his correct name, Appleyard.While he's with us he'll always be Gerald Appleyard to me PWS.
Have googled the name, still none the wiser
it was someone's attempt at being clever.
If he goes, it'll be our best move of the summer.
Not really sure why? I’ve got no idea how much or how little he contributes. I’d like to think that at least one of the players we bring in this summer has more of an impact than a coach potentially leaving. If they don’t we’ll have had a very bad summer.
Although the rest of the outfielders didn't help, defensively we were pants for 80% of last season.If he goes, it'll be our best move of the summer.
Not really sure why? I’ve got no idea how much or how little he contributes. I’d like to think that at least one of the players we bring in this summer has more of an impact than a coach potentially leaving. If they don’t we’ll have had a very bad summer.
He presumably has responsibility for defensive coaching and last season we weren't organised at all. He was a good defender himself but good players don't always make good coaches.
As have all our players and coaches. It's clear you don't like him but he's been a decent servant to the club and hardly put a foot wrong in the 3 seasons he's been with us. People have a right to dislike the bloke but bringing up stuff like whether he celebrated or not is just petty.He’s played for us, and he works for us as a coach so for the last few years he’s been dedicated to us and we paid and pay his wages. Why are some so obsessed about his ties to Chelsea. Should he just cut them off completely just because he’s with us? He’s was there from the time he was a kid and won literally everything with them as captain. It’s hardly a surprise he really, really likes them still and is very interested in how they do.Perhaps he could have managed a celebration when we took the lead against them at VP recently then.
Who cares? Players who have played for us and score against us don’t celebrate. It’s stupid. He’s dedicated three of his playing/coaching career to us and been a consummate pro throughout, yet is still hated by some. It’s bizarre.
And he's been handsomely rewarded for his 'dedication'.
As TV has correctly said - I’m more than happy with JTs professional application.
If Jack god forbid ever coaches anywhere else when he retires I would cry if he was over zealous with a goal against us.
Some just have issues they can’t get over.
Look, the gaffers have given us all the slap so let’s not make it worse.
I'm disaapointed at how few people call him by his correct name, Appleyard.While he's with us he'll always be Gerald Appleyard to me PWS.
Have googled the name, still none the wiser
it was someone's attempt at being clever.
Agree, we were never a long term thing for him but he’s done well as a player, kept his head down as a coach and when he goes I’ll think a lot more of him when he leaves than when he arrived.
A good pal of mine met him, a baggie, and really wanted to dislike him. He told me he seemed a really nice fella.
People can change?
Let’s hope so for all our sakes.
Possibly. Or he's just an embarrassment to the club. That guard of honour was genuinely so much worse than all the genocide that he's responsible for.He hasn't been an embarrassment to the club at all, his conduct whilst he's been with us has been excellent. We know you don't like him, why can't you leave it at that?
I have left it at that.
He hasn't given a sniff of a headline while he has been here. Head down, got on with it as player and manager. I loathed him more than most on here, but he has done all asked and been a positive role model on and off the pitch. If he goes, he does with my best wishes and hope he does well wherever he ends up.A measured view and is how I feel.
A good pal of mine met him, a baggie, and really wanted to dislike him. He told me he seemed a really nice fella.
People can change?
Let’s hope so for all our sakes.
I've been told stories that when he was at Chelsea he went to see every player who was on loan, regularly saw the Academy sides, did everything you'd expect from a captain. He was also at Ron Saunders' funeral, which might not sound much but he didn't have to be there.
A good pal of mine met him, a baggie, and really wanted to dislike him. He told me he seemed a really nice fella.
People can change?
Let’s hope so for all our sakes.
I've been told stories that when he was at Chelsea he went to see every player who was on loan, regularly saw the Academy sides, did everything you'd expect from a captain. He was also at Ron Saunders' funeral, which might not sound much but he didn't have to be there.
I watched the documentary Anelka, Misunderstood over the weekend. Very good if you haven’t seen it. There was a short bit with Marcel Desailly and it reminded me of the incident with Ron Atkinson. If you think what John Terry allegedly said to Anton Ferdinand was bad (and I’m not minimizing what he’s alleged to have said), what Ron Atkinson actually said was way, way worse. And for many Villa fans, despite that he’s still a hero.
If you are going to hate racism, hate it all.
I suspect few of us, if any, will ever have the degree of contact to form a meaningful opinion of his character.
It's possible for a complete arse to be polite and affable in a two-minute exchange heading in or out of the ground or when approached out in public. It's just as likely that a genuinely decent person can be grumpy or dealing with problems a fan will not be aware of when they are approached.
A friend of a friend who is acquainted with Terry got us complimentary tickets for Boro away play off semis when there wasn't a cat in hells chance of us getting any legit. Just over an hour before kick off when you'd expect the players to be pretty busy my mate got a text off a number he didn't know. "Go to the ticket office and ask for tickets with my name on the envelope" All the best. UTV JT. Sure enough they were ready and waiting when we got there. He went up in my estimation that day.A good pal of mine met him, a baggie, and really wanted to dislike him. He told me he seemed a really nice fella.
People can change?
Let’s hope so for all our sakes.
I've been told stories that when he was at Chelsea he went to see every player who was on loan, regularly saw the Academy sides, did everything you'd expect from a captain. He was also at Ron Saunders' funeral, which might not sound much but he didn't have to be there.
I was told by the club tour guide that Terry, whilst living at the Belfry, bought a coffee every morning from the Starbucks in the hotel en route to training. He got chatting to the young lad serving him every day as he was a Villa fan.
For one game, no one was going to be using Terry’s private box in the Trinity Road stand, so he let the young lad from Starbucks have it, so he could bring his mates and family.
I suspect few of us, if any, will ever have the degree of contact to form a meaningful opinion of his character.
It's possible for a complete arse to be polite and affable in a two-minute exchange heading in or out of the ground or when approached out in public. It's just as likely that a genuinely decent person can be grumpy or dealing with problems a fan will not be aware of when they are approached.
Yep. My lad waited about an hour after one game to get Tyrone’s autograph. He was, without a shadow of a doubt the most miserable and ungracious player I’ve ever met. But all the evidence is that he’s a good guy..
Terry in the news again.So what? The press will ask him a question and he'll answer it. He's a Chelsea club man who's doing a good job for us. Get over it.
Commenting on Chelsea business again.
Evidence that he's been doing a good job for us.Terry in the news again.So what? The press will ask him a question and he'll answer it. He's a Chelsea club man who's doing a good job for us. Get over it.
Commenting on Chelsea business again.
Probably as the club seem to want to keep him on. But really that's irrelevant to your original whinge.Evidence that he's been doing a good job for us.Terry in the news again.So what? The press will ask him a question and he'll answer it. He's a Chelsea club man who's doing a good job for us. Get over it.
Commenting on Chelsea business again.
Our magnificent defensive record, perhaps?
Terry in the news again.
Commenting on Chelsea business again.
Terry in the news again.
Commenting on Chelsea business again.
Must be hard for him though. Biting his lip and sitting on his hands when ever Chelsea slot a goal against Villa.Probably as the club seem to want to keep him on. But really that's irrelevant to your original whinge.Evidence that he's been doing a good job for us.Terry in the news again.So what? The press will ask him a question and he'll answer it. He's a Chelsea club man who's doing a good job for us. Get over it.
Commenting on Chelsea business again.
Our magnificent defensive record, perhaps?
So what is the actual story. Its this:
"Instagram account 433 posted a picture of Silva edited to be wearing a Chelsea kit and Terry gave his approval by 'liking' the post, as spotted by football.london."
Yes, he "liked" a post on Instagram. He's probably also "liked" photos of dolphins or a bulldog skateboarding. FFS
Klopp supports Stuttgart. I bet Liverpool fans couldn't give a shit.Must be hard for him though. Biting his lip and sitting on his hands when ever Chelsea slot a goal against Villa.Probably as the club seem to want to keep him on. But really that's irrelevant to your original whinge.Evidence that he's been doing a good job for us.Terry in the news again.So what? The press will ask him a question and he'll answer it. He's a Chelsea club man who's doing a good job for us. Get over it.
Commenting on Chelsea business again.
Our magnificent defensive record, perhaps?
Sooner have Olaf Melberg or Martin Laursen organising the defence myself, but it's up to the club.
As for whether I'm whingeing, I really couldn't give a toss what you think.
Must be hard for him though. Biting his lip and sitting on his hands when ever Chelsea slot a goal against Villa.
Sooner have Olaf Melberg or Martin Laursen organising the defence myself, but it's up to the club.
As for whether I'm whingeing, I really couldn't give a toss what you think.
When's the last time you heard Albrighton talk about Villa, or Klopp talk about Stuttgart for that matter?Albrighton comes to watch us.
I do think he needs to shut up about Chelsea when he's in our employ IMO. It's deeply unprofessional for both the journalists in question and Terry to engage in talk about their transfers.
The correct answer to "What do you think about Chelsea doing X...?" is "I'm employed by Aston Villa, it's not relevant what I think about Chelsea at this moment in time. Next question."
He liked a picture on social media, big deal. Pant wetting at its finest
When's the last time you heard Albrighton talk about Villa, or Klopp talk about Stuttgart for that matter?
He liked a picture on social media, big deal. Pant wetting at its finest
You seem to be very preoccupied with wet pants. You really should talk to somebody about that.
When's the last time you heard Albrighton talk about Villa, or Klopp talk about Stuttgart for that matter?
Albrighton gave a big interview back in June about his time at Villa. Next!
When's the last time you heard Albrighton talk about Villa, or Klopp talk about Stuttgart for that matter?
Albrighton gave a big interview back in June about his time at Villa. Next!
And also didn't he say something like 'I'm going to Wembley either way' before the league cup semi final?
I like John Terry. There, I've said it.
For some reason I've always pictured John Terry when reading Risso's posts. In fact, have they ever been seen together...?
For some reason I've always pictured John Terry when reading Risso's posts. In fact, have they ever been seen together...?
I can't think of anybody I look like less, to be honest! I used to get mistaken for Wigan rugby league legend, Dennis Betts when I lived in Wigan, if that helps with the mental picture.
For some reason I've always pictured John Terry when reading Risso's posts. In fact, have they ever been seen together...?
I can't think of anybody I look like less, to be honest! I used to get mistaken for Wigan rugby league legend, Dennis Betts when I lived in Wigan, if that helps with the mental picture.
For some reason I've always pictured John Terry when reading Risso's posts. In fact, have they ever been seen together...?
I can't think of anybody I look like less, to be honest! I used to get mistaken for Wigan rugby league legend, Dennis Betts when I lived in Wigan, if that helps with the mental picture.
I thought you looked a bit like Roman Abramovich. In a nice way.
For some reason I've always pictured John Terry when reading Risso's posts. In fact, have they ever been seen together...?
I can't think of anybody I look like less, to be honest! I used to get mistaken for Wigan rugby league legend, Dennis Betts when I lived in Wigan, if that helps with the mental picture.
I thought you looked a bit like Roman Abramovich. In a nice way.
In the way he looks a bit simple, like?
Smart arse funny aside, I agree with Risso. My conversion came stood watching him in an away win at Barnsley.
For some reason I've always pictured John Terry when reading Risso's posts. In fact, have they ever been seen together...?
I can't think of anybody I look like less, to be honest! I used to get mistaken for Wigan rugby league legend, Dennis Betts when I lived in Wigan, if that helps with the mental picture.
I thought you looked a bit like Roman Abramovich. In a nice way.
In the way he looks a bit simple, like?
No. He looks assured, like he's definitely killed a man and been rewarded with a nation's energy supply.
Am I right in thinking it is Dennis Betts who has a sort of Sean Dyche swallowed-a-quarry voice?For some reason I've always pictured John Terry when reading Risso's posts. In fact, have they ever been seen together...?
I can't think of anybody I look like less, to be honest! I used to get mistaken for Wigan rugby league legend, Dennis Betts when I lived in Wigan, if that helps with the mental picture.
Am I right in thinking it is Dennis Betts who has a sort of Sean Dyche swallowed-a-quarry voice?For some reason I've always pictured John Terry when reading Risso's posts. In fact, have they ever been seen together...?
I can't think of anybody I look like less, to be honest! I used to get mistaken for Wigan rugby league legend, Dennis Betts when I lived in Wigan, if that helps with the mental picture.
Whilst we're all waiting for some exciting signings of our own, it's a comfort to know that John thinks that Thiago Silva signing for Chelsea is good business.
I was worried that he wasn't going to comment.
Saved you from being worried then.Whilst we're all waiting for some exciting signings of our own, it's a comfort to know that John thinks that Thiago Silva signing for Chelsea is good business.
I was worried that he wasn't going to comment.
I was more worried that you wasn't going to comment.
New owners means they can spend though I think. Ours happily spent when they took over.Don’t think so.
New owners means they can spend though I think. Ours happily spent when they took over.
Anton Ferdinand has a moving documentary on bbc one t 9pm tonight that explores his experience of racism in football, in which he talks for the first time about the infamous incident with John Terry.
The match is on of course but this will be essential viewing so to be recording. Anything other than Villa football match as would watch the programme at transmission.
If Terry does take the Derby job, I would like to see Petrov brought into the coaching team as his replacement.
If Terry does take the Derby job, I would like to see Petrov brought into the coaching team as his replacement.
Or Olof or Martin Laursen, at least they will sort the defence out properly.
If Terry does take the Derby job, I would like to see Petrov brought into the coaching team as his replacement.
Or Olof or Martin Laursen, at least they will sort the defence out properly.
If Terry does take the Derby job, I would like to see Petrov brought into the coaching team as his replacement.
Or Olof or Martin Laursen, at least they will sort the defence out properly.
Do any of have the credentials to be the right choice for the job? If not then we shouldn't allow the decision to be ruled by sentimentality. We just need to bring in someone who will help improve the squad and can work with who we have already, if that is one of those guys then great.
JT looks a knob from that doc and I suspect most of us thought he was a knob at the time but at Villa he's been respectful and done everything in the right way, on that basis I wouldn't chase him out if he doesn't think this is the right job to go for.
Anton Ferdinand comes over as a throughly good bloke. It clearly affected his career, for something that wasn’t his fault.
Let's not forget Terry was found NOT Guilty of racism by a criminal court.
can’t disagree with any of that Paul. I didn’t want him, but he won me over. Haven’t seen the doco so can’t comment on it.If Terry does take the Derby job, I would like to see Petrov brought into the coaching team as his replacement.
Or Olof or Martin Laursen, at least they will sort the defence out properly.
Do any of have the credentials to be the right choice for the job? If not then we shouldn't allow the decision to be ruled by sentimentality. We just need to bring in someone who will help improve the squad and can work with who we have already, if that is one of those guys then great.
JT looks a knob from that doc and I suspect most of us thought he was a knob at the time but at Villa he's been respectful and done everything in the right way, on that basis I wouldn't chase him out if he doesn't think this is the right job to go for.
I wonder how Mings will react to Terry if he watches the Documentary?Hmmmm, indeed.
I thought the FA came out of it a little better than that: after removing the captaincy from Terry they still subjected him to a disciplinary hearing despite him being found not guilty in a criminal court at which point they could easily have brushed it under the carpet.Anton Ferdinand comes over as a throughly good bloke. It clearly affected his career, for something that wasn’t his fault.
Yeah it's quite sad really as a few years later with BLM etc and Terry would most likely have been fired. What I don't get is the inability of his high profile brother to have caused a shit storm of epic proportions back then. Likes of Ashley Cole backing Terry didn't help matters. FA/Capello/Hodgson all acted disgracefully, if I recall correctly they didn't pick Rio so as not to cause issues with Terry? Capello walked when the FA took the easy option of removing the captaincy from Terry? Another high profile racist scumbag, Suarez, backed shamefully by his club at the time then too.
I was at Acorns when Villa did their Christmas visit a few years back. Most of the players just hung around the place like spare parts (admittedly it can be a bit daunting when you meet all the poorly kids) but John Terry made sure he spoke to every kid and parent (or grandparent in my case). In doing so he even held up the team bus's departure much to the annoyance of the PR woman coordinating the visit who clearly couldn't wait to wrap things up and get going. He also befriended my son and took an interest in his fledgling catering career when Terry was staying at the hotel my son worked at. I haven't actually watched the Anton Ferdinand documentary yet but I have it lined on on the BBC iplayer.
Bournemouth were mad to part company with Eddie Howe. JT is doing well this season, I'd rather he stayed at VP.
If JT goes to Coventry go out and buy a lottery ticket Aftab. You have become blessed with second sight.
Villa is an excellent club for him and he knows it. He is learning what football is about outside the coccoon of being a football player. He is learning from Dean Smith and it is particularly valuable to Terry because Dean himself is still learning. Dean has not morphed into a know all bully the way many successful managers do. Ferguson for example.
if it all goes wrong he’ll be wondering now, what do, when he knows this is the end.If JT goes to Coventry go out and buy a lottery ticket Aftab. You have become blessed with second sight.
Maybe he doesn't want do Too Much Too Young (à la Frank.)
Villa is an excellent club for him and he knows it. He is learning what football is about outside the coccoon of being a football player. He is learning from Dean Smith and it is particularly valuable to Terry because Dean himself is still learning. Dean has not morphed into a know all bully the way many successful managers do. Ferguson for example.
It’s the first time I’ve bought a news paper in about 15 years after hearing about JT’s interview in The Times today. It’s a really good read and I’d recommend it. It’s very obvious that he loves it here and I hope he signs an extension
He’s been nothing but the consummate professional since coming to us as a player and coach. And I cannot imagine how it hasn’t rubbed off positively on the club at every level to have someone around who has won so much.
There was a point last season where it was questioned what he bought to us as a coach. I think the improvements seen in all of our defenders this season have put that to rest.
It’s the first time I’ve bought a news paper in about 15 years after hearing about JT’s interview in The Times today. It’s a really good read and I’d recommend it. It’s very obvious that he loves it here and I hope he signs an extension
Cheers, will seek it out. Like the headline quote from JT "I’d love to manage a top club, but I’d turn down Spurs’". ;D
There was a point last season where it was questioned what he bought to us as a coach. I think the improvements seen in all of our defenders this season have put that to rest.
As acting president of the Craig Shakespeare fan club, I reject the implications the above post makes. Terry was here last season and our defending was pants. Top man Craig arrived this season and sorted it out.
There was a point last season where it was questioned what he bought to us as a coach. I think the improvements seen in all of our defenders this season have put that to rest.
As acting president of the Craig Shakespeare fan club, I reject the implications the above post makes. Terry was here last season and our defending was pants. Top man Craig arrived this season and sorted it out.
You might want to look at the manager and how he was trying to play every game as a big part as to why the defence was pants. The tactics were incredibly naive and especially when you consider how many goals we conceded late on. I am sure Terry has made mistakes as a coach as he learned on the job. But Targett, Mings and most certainly Konsa are better than last year. Even Hause never lets us down. And that we defend better as a team isn’t just Terry but Dean Smith as well as he realized you cannot be that open all the time at this level. And yes I am sure Craig Shakespeare has added knowledge and wisdom too. It’s been a collective effort aided also by the arrivals of Emi and Cash.
Story that deserves being repeatedly told though. Had my misgivings about him when he joined, but you have to say he's been a model pro & an absolute credit to the club.He’s been nothing but the consummate professional since coming to us as a player and coach. And I cannot imagine how it hasn’t rubbed off positively on the club at every level to have someone around who has won so much.
I have mentioned more than once on here how he took an interest in my sons career as a trainee chef when my son was working at The Belfry and Terry was staying there. Also how he made sure that during a Villa Christmas
party visit at Acorns he made sure he spoke to every member of the Acorns staff, all of the kids and all of the kids families. This was despite the female Villa employee who was in charge of the visit trying to rush through the visit as quickly as possible.
Story that deserves being repeatedly told though. Had my misgivings about him when he joined, but you have to say he's been a model pro & an absolute credit to the club.He’s been nothing but the consummate professional since coming to us as a player and coach. And I cannot imagine how it hasn’t rubbed off positively on the club at every level to have someone around who has won so much.
I have mentioned more than once on here how he took an interest in my sons career as a trainee chef when my son was working at The Belfry and Terry was staying there. Also how he made sure that during a Villa Christmas
party visit at Acorns he made sure he spoke to every member of the Acorns staff, all of the kids and all of the kids families. This was despite the female Villa employee who was in charge of the visit trying to rush through the visit as quickly as possible.
I think I heard on the Football Ramble that Spurs fans were singing that Lesley King was better than him on Sunday, and Terry’s reaction was to go out of the dugout and hold up an imaginary trophy. Top bantz.
John Terry has graduated from the prestigious FA Level 5 UEFA Pro Licence course - the highest attainable football management qualification - following a ceremony in Windsor last night.
QuoteJohn Terry has graduated from the prestigious FA Level 5 UEFA Pro Licence course - the highest attainable football management qualification - following a ceremony in Windsor last night.
https://twitter.com/avfc_news/status/1407270537164951558?s=21
Well done. He has decided to go through his badges while learning under an experienced manager. Not just jump in like so many others do. I’m sure he’s had lots of offers. When he does go he will be so much more prepared for a role in management.
I wonder if he rocked up in full kit to accept the award?QuoteJohn Terry has graduated from the prestigious FA Level 5 UEFA Pro Licence course - the highest attainable football management qualification - following a ceremony in Windsor last night.
https://twitter.com/avfc_news/status/1407270537164951558?s=21
Well done. He has decided to go through his badges while learning under an experienced manager. Not just jump in like so many others do. I’m sure he’s had lots of offers. When he does go he will be so much more prepared for a role in management.
End of the day he doesn't need the money or possibly the stress of being a Manager. He may actually enjoy just being a coach and working with the players. He's certainly a character who's main influence is in the dressing room, and a manager's role is much more detached from that. It's not inconceivable when Southgate has finished arsing up the England team, that he could follow Smith as his No.2Terry’s on a good wicket at Villa and I’m sure he knows it. I doubt he’ll be off anywhere, anytime soon.
Agree about Terry, I could hand out and collect the bibs and put out the cones - easy money!
One day he will be gone from our club and I will have a drink and celebrate- i cannot understand why we still employ him after what he said?
Agree about Terry, I could hand out and collect the bibs and put out the cones - easy money!
One day he will be gone from our club and I will have a drink and celebrate- i cannot understand why we still employ him after what he said?
Agree about Terry, I could hand out and collect the bibs and put out the cones - easy money!
One day he will be gone from our club and I will have a drink and celebrate- i cannot understand why we still employ him after what he said?
Agree about Terry, I could hand out and collect the bibs and put out the cones - easy money!
One day he will be gone from our club and I will have a drink and celebrate- i cannot understand why we still employ him after what he said?
What did he say?
Agree about Terry, I could hand out and collect the bibs and put out the cones - easy money!
One day he will be gone from our club and I will have a drink and celebrate- i cannot understand why we still employ him after what he said?
What did he say?
He’s still banging on about the Anton Ferdinand thing.
Our Ashley, I say our Ashley, will be our new Terry. Youngy will do his badges and remain a Villan.
It's just Sexual Ealing left, then we'll all be eating out of Terry's hand.
It's just Sexual Ealing left, then we'll all be eating out of Terry's hand.
You'll be waiting a while.
It's just Sexual Ealing left, then we'll all be eating out of Terry's hand.
You'll be waiting a while.
I can just imagine you singing now 'And when I get that feeling, it's because John Terry's leaving, let's go out tonight.'
Huh wow, that was sudden.
Absolute Disaster for the Club just a few weeks before the start of the new season.
We need to get a big name in ASAP , always thought Terry was a good pull for signing players.
If Jack goes this could be a tragic summer
Absolute Disaster for the Club just a few weeks before the start of the new season.
We need to get a big name in ASAP , always thought Terry was a good pull for signing players.
If Jack goes this could be a tragic summer
I'm stragely saddened by that. I had similar levels of contempt for him before he joined us that I felt for the likes of Dennis Wise, possibly even more so, but he's kept his head down and got on with learning his trade.Yeah, same with me. Wouldn't have predicted this when he joined, but I'm a bit disappointed that he's off.
Absolute Disaster for the Club just a few weeks before the start of the new season.Oh leave it out will you? Disaster? Hardly. We've been top heavy since Craig Shakespeare arrived and if they feel a replacement is needed for JT they will be all over it. They know what they're doing. And why bring Jack into it? Do you enjoy making yourself depressed? What will be will be but NO player is bigger than the club.
We need to get a big name in ASAP , always thought Terry was a good pull for signing players.
If Jack goes this could be a tragic summer
I wish him well. I think he's made a big contribution to the club whilst he was here, and whatever his background he seems to have conducted himself well whilst with us.
It's dissapointing as we are clearly on an upwards trajectory and any disruption is unhelpful.
I wish him well. I think he's made a big contribution to the club whilst he was here, and whatever his background he seems to have conducted himself well whilst with us.
It's dissapointing as we are clearly on an upwards trajectory and any disruption is unhelpful.
Yea this. Don’t like the disruption, everything seemed a lot more straightforward and calmer last summer, but maybe that’s just memories playing tricks.
Remember VP going mad the day he got Benteke sent off playing for Chelski, last home game probably 2014, but then he got carried off injured later, the irony. So didn’t really want him, but he was excellent as a player/captain in 2017/2018. Dunno what his influence as coach has been but the fact he has kept out of the limelight and been understated has been impressive. Clearly was Purslows choice as the number two when Smith got appointed, so will be interesting who Smith decides he wants now.
Didn’t like him before he joined us - full kit wanking racist wife nobber, was surprised at how good a player he was, kept his head down, seemed to do a decent job (assistant head coach or defensive coach?). Got as much out of us, career wise, as we got from him and I can go back to disliking him now. Always liked the fact that the biggest home attendance he ever played in front of was when he joined us. Hope he now realises what a big club we are
I wish him well. I think he's made a big contribution to the club whilst he was here, and whatever his background he seems to have conducted himself well whilst with us.
It's dissapointing as we are clearly on an upwards trajectory and any disruption is unhelpful.
Yea this. Don’t like the disruption, everything seemed a lot more straightforward and calmer last summer, but maybe that’s just memories playing tricks.
Remember VP going mad the day he got Benteke sent off playing for Chelski, last home game probably 2014, but then he got carried off injured later, the irony. So didn’t really want him, but he was excellent as a player/captain in 2017/2018. Dunno what his influence as coach has been but the fact he has kept out of the limelight and been understated has been impressive. Clearly was Purslows choice as the number two when Smith got appointed, so will be interesting who Smith decides he wants now.
It's mad to think after that game, when he was stretchered off with all 4 sides of the ground singing 'John Terry, what a wanker' to him, he came here and did what he did.
I wish him well. I think he's made a big contribution to the club whilst he was here, and whatever his background he seems to have conducted himself well whilst with us.
It's dissapointing as we are clearly on an upwards trajectory and any disruption is unhelpful.
Yea this. Don’t like the disruption, everything seemed a lot more straightforward and calmer last summer, but maybe that’s just memories playing tricks.
Remember VP going mad the day he got Benteke sent off playing for Chelski, last home game probably 2014, but then he got carried off injured later, the irony. So didn’t really want him, but he was excellent as a player/captain in 2017/2018. Dunno what his influence as coach has been but the fact he has kept out of the limelight and been understated has been impressive. Clearly was Purslows choice as the number two when Smith got appointed, so will be interesting who Smith decides he wants now.
It's mad to think after that game, when he was stretchered off with all 4 sides of the ground singing 'John Terry, what a wanker' to him, he came here and did what he did.
It’s true that, the whole ground was united in their antipathy towards him that day, it was actually quite a joyous moment!! Must have a thick skin!! I guess he will be treated very differently if he ever turns at villa as a manager.
Didn’t like him before he joined us - full kit wanking racist wife nobber, was surprised at how good a player he was, kept his head down, seemed to do a decent job (assistant head coach or defensive coach?). Got as much out of us, career wise, as we got from him and I can go back to disliking him now. Always liked the fact that the biggest home attendance he ever played in front of was when he joined us. Hope he now realises what a big club we are
It wasn't. Chelsea got a couple that were bigger.
Chris Jameson, it's safe to come back now!
I wish him well. I think he's made a big contribution to the club whilst he was here, and whatever his background he seems to have conducted himself well whilst with us.
It's dissapointing as we are clearly on an upwards trajectory and any disruption is unhelpful.
Yea this. Don’t like the disruption, everything seemed a lot more straightforward and calmer last summer, but maybe that’s just memories playing tricks.
Remember VP going mad the day he got Benteke sent off playing for Chelski, last home game probably 2014, but then he got carried off injured later, the irony. So didn’t really want him, but he was excellent as a player/captain in 2017/2018. Dunno what his influence as coach has been but the fact he has kept out of the limelight and been understated has been impressive. Clearly was Purslows choice as the number two when Smith got appointed, so will be interesting who Smith decides he wants now.
It's mad to think after that game, when he was stretchered off with all 4 sides of the ground singing 'John Terry, what a wanker' to him, he came here and did what he did.
It’s true that, the whole ground was united in their antipathy towards him that day, it was actually quite a joyous moment!! Must have a thick skin!! I guess he will be treated very differently if he ever turns at villa as a manager.
I expect if he hadn't have been seen to "play-act" to get Benteke sent off, he wouldn't have got the abuse he then got when he did get injured. And that was also the same day all four sides were cheering Lampard for getting the Scoring record even if it meant we lost.
Didn’t like him before he joined us - full kit wanking racist wife nobber, was surprised at how good a player he was, kept his head down, seemed to do a decent job (assistant head coach or defensive coach?). Got as much out of us, career wise, as we got from him and I can go back to disliking him now. Always liked the fact that the biggest home attendance he ever played in front of was when he joined us. Hope he now realises what a big club we are
It wasn't. Chelsea got a couple that were bigger.
I’ve been dining out on that “stat” for a few years now and I’m not going to let facts stop me from continuing
Didn’t like him before he joined us - full kit wanking racist wife nobber, was surprised at how good a player he was, kept his head down, seemed to do a decent job (assistant head coach or defensive coach?). Got as much out of us, career wise, as we got from him and I can go back to disliking him now. Always liked the fact that the biggest home attendance he ever played in front of was when he joined us. Hope he now realises what a big club we are
It wasn't. Chelsea got a couple that were bigger.
I’ve been dining out on that “stat” for a few years now and I’m not going to let facts stop me from continuing
I have a feeling you're still partly right as I thought it was for a league game.
When was the last time Stamford Bridge held more than Villa Park?Didn’t like him before he joined us - full kit wanking racist wife nobber, was surprised at how good a player he was, kept his head down, seemed to do a decent job (assistant head coach or defensive coach?). Got as much out of us, career wise, as we got from him and I can go back to disliking him now. Always liked the fact that the biggest home attendance he ever played in front of was when he joined us. Hope he now realises what a big club we are
It wasn't. Chelsea got a couple that were bigger.
I’ve been dining out on that “stat” for a few years now and I’m not going to let facts stop me from continuing
I have a feeling you're still partly right as I thought it was for a league game.
Whispers said on Twitter three days ago he was having conversations
but was Remaining as of then
I wish him well. I think he's made a big contribution to the club whilst he was here, and whatever his background he seems to have conducted himself well whilst with us.
It's dissapointing as we are clearly on an upwards trajectory and any disruption is unhelpful.
Yea this. Don’t like the disruption, everything seemed a lot more straightforward and calmer last summer, but maybe that’s just memories playing tricks.
Remember VP going mad the day he got Benteke sent off playing for Chelski, last home game probably 2014, but then he got carried off injured later, the irony. So didn’t really want him, but he was excellent as a player/captain in 2017/2018. Dunno what his influence as coach has been but the fact he has kept out of the limelight and been understated has been impressive. Clearly was Purslows choice as the number two when Smith got appointed, so will be interesting who Smith decides he wants now.
It's mad to think after that game, when he was stretchered off with all 4 sides of the ground singing 'John Terry, what a wanker' to him, he came here and did what he did.
It’s true that, the whole ground was united in their antipathy towards him that day, it was actually quite a joyous moment!! Must have a thick skin!! I guess he will be treated very differently if he ever turns at villa as a manager.
I expect if he hadn't have been seen to "play-act" to get Benteke sent off, he wouldn't have got the abuse he then got when he did get injured. And that was also the same day all four sides were cheering Lampard for getting the Scoring record even if it meant we lost.
All four sides were definitely not cheering for Lampard that day. A small pocket in the Witton Lane and that's about it.
Whilst a massive ****** all I will say is that he was committed whilst here. As a player he didn’t shirk away from his responsibility like Richards and Lescott and as member of management he contributed much more than Roy Keane.
I think more of him now than I did when he arrived. Good luck to him.
A much better player than I ever thought he was.
Whatever, his personality and let's face facts prior to him joining I always found him rather obnoxious, but for us as a professional he did an excellent job.
I wish him luck in his future management roles.
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Whispers said on Twitter three days ago he was having conversations
but was Remaining as of then
Our Communications Director already exposed that clown 3 days ago.
Whatever, his personality and let's face facts prior to him joining I always found him rather obnoxious, but for us as a professional he did an excellent job.
I wish him luck in his future management roles.
Except when his team plays Villa. Obvs.
Chris Jameson, it's safe to come back now!
His statement is very classy and you have to say absolutely everything about him at the club has been of the same standard.
He is not what I expected and while none of that excuses how he may have acted in the past, with us he has been the embodiment of professionalism. A much needed tonic and the club is better for the exprience.
I wish him every success as a manager and would not be surprised if he doesn't end up back here one day.
Played his part in turning us into a proper football club again. Composed on the pitch and kept a low profile off it. Still not totally sure about how much he contributed to the tactics and running of the team, but good luck.
He sorted our defence out.
Has Chris not weighed in yet? I know he knows!
I completely understand all the well-wishes above, and I can understand the reasons for them. That said, I'm delighted that he's gone and I never want to see him again, much less as our manager.Far to much hate in the world. Good luck JT.
Off you fuck, I hope you fail.
Has Chris not weighed in yet? I know he knows!I completely understand all the well-wishes above, and I can understand the reasons for them. That said, I'm delighted that he's gone and I never want to see him again, much less as our manager.Far to much hate in the world. Good luck JT.
Off you fuck, I hope you fail.
He sorted our defence out.
If he takes the credit for the defence post COVID then he has to take some blame for the defence beforehand. From what I read, Smith pulled the whole team together and restructured the team.
Conjecture obviously but I do think he added a level of professionalism that wasn’t at the club until he arrived.
I'd hope that being around Terry made Tyrone Mings a better defender. I'd hope that being around Tyrone Mings made Terry a better person.And if Mings was prepared to join a club with Terry in a senior position, to work with Terry over a number of years, etc, then I'm happy enough to follow his lead on this.
I'd hope that being around Terry made Tyrone Mings a better defender. I'd hope that being around Tyrone Mings made Terry a better person.
Has Chris not weighed in yet? I know he knows!
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Has Chris not weighed in yet? I know he knows!A lot of people assuming that Terry is the sole reason he doesn't post on here. I'm not ITK either.
I'd hope that being around Terry made Tyrone Mings a better defender. I'd hope that being around Tyrone Mings made Terry a better person.
Seconded. Excellent point by Hillbilly.I'd hope that being around Terry made Tyrone Mings a better defender. I'd hope that being around Tyrone Mings made Terry a better person.
I like that.
Absolute Disaster for the Club just a few weeks before the start of the new season.
We need to get a big name in ASAP , always thought Terry was a good pull for signing players.
If Jack goes this could be a tragic summer
Why is it a disaster? What has he brought?
Absolute Disaster for the Club just a few weeks before the start of the new season.
We need to get a big name in ASAP , always thought Terry was a good pull for signing players.
If Jack goes this could be a tragic summer
Like one or two others, his type is happy, wallowing in misery.Bet he can't wait to logon if Grealish leaves, and slag every facet of the club and proclaim the end is nigh.Predictable and tedious as fuck.Or he's a d@gshit fan on a wind-up.Absolute Disaster for the Club just a few weeks before the start of the new season.
We need to get a big name in ASAP , always thought Terry was a good pull for signing players.
If Jack goes this could be a tragic summer
Find a hobby that makes you happy, because Aston Villa and football clearly don’t.
If he is i have three random words that I'd like him to try and form a sentence from. They are:Like one or two others, his type is happy, wallowing in misery.Bet he can't wait to logon if Grealish leaves, and slag every facet of the club and proclaim the end is nigh.Predictable and tedious as fuck.Or he's a d@gshit fan on a wind-up.Absolute Disaster for the Club just a few weeks before the start of the new season.
We need to get a big name in ASAP , always thought Terry was a good pull for signing players.
If Jack goes this could be a tragic summer
Find a hobby that makes you happy, because Aston Villa and football clearly don’t.
And I wonder if Shakespeare being here has prompted his desire to move onMen at some times are masters of their fates.
Never really liked Shakespeare, William that is
Never really liked Shakespeare, William that is
Yeah, boring slaphead.
No quibbles with his contribution during his time with us and may be wrong about this, but always got the impression that John Terry hung around a little longer than he might have as he had one eye on the manager's job. Think he has probably now accepted he wouldn't be in the running if Dean Smith were to go, so it's time to move on.
Shall I compare thee to a summer’s day?lovely
Thou art more lovely and more temperate:
Rough winds do shake the darling buds of May,
And summer’s lease hath all too short a date;
Sometime too hot the eye of heaven shines,
And often is his gold complexion dimm'd;
And every fair from fair sometime declines,
By chance or nature’s changing course untrimm'd;
But thy eternal summer shall not fade,
Nor lose possession of that fair thou ow’st;
Nor shall death brag thou wander’st in his shade,
When in eternal lines to time thou grow’st:
So long as men can breathe or eyes can see,
So long lives this, and this gives life to thee.
Shall I compare thee to a summer’s day?
Thou art more lovely and more temperate:
Rough winds do shake the darling buds of May,
And summer’s lease hath all too short a date;
Sometime too hot the eye of heaven shines,
And often is his gold complexion dimm'd;
And every fair from fair sometime declines,
By chance or nature’s changing course untrimm'd;
But thy eternal summer shall not fade,
Nor lose possession of that fair thou ow’st;
Nor shall death brag thou wander’st in his shade,
When in eternal lines to time thou grow’st:
So long as men can breathe or eyes can see,
So long lives this, and this gives life to thee.
I think JT left because of this whole Grealish leaving.Bollox, where do actually get this shit from?
He's been disillusioned by it that's only reason he leave so suddenly others wise would have been before the pre season training not half way through and had already started . Could easily have said in summer I will step down.
Losing Terry and Grealish is a disaster for the Football Club . Two Huge names in the game , feels like we are going backwardsThat's what I been thinking.
Getting more upset more think about it
But don't worry we signed a highly rated 17 year old from Wycombe or something! Too much strategizing on this investing in young talent going on when it's the first team that needs a little bit more. Dam it.
Losing Terry and Grealish is a disaster for the Football Club . Two Huge names in the game , feels like we are going backwards
Losing Terry and Grealish is a disaster for the Football Club . Two Huge names in the game , feels like we are going backwardsThat's what I been thinking.
Getting more upset more think about it
But don't worry we signed a highly rated 17 year old from Wycombe or something! Too much strategizing on this investing in young talent going on when it's the first team that needs a little bit more. Dam it.
Jesus fucking wept.
Losing Terry and Grealish is a disaster for the Football Club . Two Huge names in the game , feels like we are going backwards
I think JT left because of this whole Grealish leaving.
He's been disillusioned by it that's only reason he leave so suddenly others wise would have been before the pre season training not half way through and had already started . Could easily have said in summer I will step down.
I think JT left because of this whole Grealish leaving.
He's been disillusioned by it that's only reason he leave so suddenly others wise would have been before the pre season training not half way through and had already started . Could easily have said in summer I will step down.
Maybe you just have a limited one.I think JT left because of this whole Grealish leaving.
He's been disillusioned by it that's only reason he leave so suddenly others wise would have been before the pre season training not half way through and had already started . Could easily have said in summer I will step down.
You have a very vivid imagination.
Maybe you just have a limited one.I think JT left because of this whole Grealish leaving.
He's been disillusioned by it that's only reason he leave so suddenly others wise would have been before the pre season training not half way through and had already started . Could easily have said in summer I will step down.
You have a very vivid imagination.
He's in Tokyo hijacking medal ceremonies.
He's in Tokyo hijacking medal ceremonies.
John Terry or Footyskillz?
Clickbait headline. As far as I can tell, it was just a chat on the training ground some time ago about the chills Terry got when the Champions League music was played before a game. Bit of a non-story that the shit stirring media are trying to use to keep their Grealish stories alive.I agree. It could be said that John Terry was telling Jack all about the champions league to inspire him to push us towards that goal which is something you would expect from JT in his role at the club. Unless Jack states that JT actively encouraged him to leave us and join a curent Champions league club I'm taking it in the context of JT trying to inspire him for our benefit.
So Joe said he made up his mind to move after a long chat with Terry.
Thanks John.
It is true that I have very low tolerance level for Mr Terry and I don't think Joe is smart enough to deflect criticism by making up something and is shallow enough to be influenced easily.So Joe said he made up his mind to move after a long chat with Terry.
Thanks John.
Not at all, unless you made your mind up about John Terry long ago and you want to spend your life looking for spurious evidence to discredit him.
It is true that I have very low tolerance level for Mr Terry and I don't think Joe is smart enough to deflect criticism by making up something and is shallow enough to be influenced easily.So Joe said he made up his mind to move after a long chat with Terry.
Thanks John.
Not at all, unless you made your mind up about John Terry long ago and you want to spend your life looking for spurious evidence to discredit him.
How on earth would John Terry know what it's like to win a Champion's League?! Lots of us watched it like he did, but I don't think that's quite the same thing.
How on earth would John Terry know what it's like to win a Champion's League?! Lots of us watched it like he did, but I don't think that's quite the same thing.Maybe he told him that when Villa win the FA Cup next May, Jack can just rock up in full kit and pretend that he's won it too.
Well that and his chats with other players, the so called champions league players in the England camp. He is as shallow as a comic-strip for romantic teenagers. When talent was handed out somehow it missed his brain.It is true that I have very low tolerance level for Mr Terry and I don't think Joe is smart enough to deflect criticism by making up something and is shallow enough to be influenced easily.So Joe said he made up his mind to move after a long chat with Terry.
Thanks John.
Not at all, unless you made your mind up about John Terry long ago and you want to spend your life looking for spurious evidence to discredit him.
So of all the hundreds of people Ratboy spoke to during his career, one chat with his old foreman was enough tio make up his mind.
I wonder if he thought he'd walk into a job but has struggled? this is a good chance for him to keep learningStill think there were problems in the camp that saw the exodus over the summer.
One of the senior coaches doesn’t leave two days before the start of the season without something going on behind the scenes. My mate - who played with O’Kelly and Dean at Walsall - didn’t have any info when he spoke to him about it but had seen RoK at a golf day and got the “non-discloure agreement” response.I wonder if he thought he'd walk into a job but has struggled? this is a good chance for him to keep learningStill think there were problems in the camp that saw the exodus over the summer.
ROK was being moved to the academy and he (understandably) took it as a slight against him and left over it. He wasn't sacked. Terry thought he would be in a job before the season ended and didn't want to start a season if he wasn't going to finish it and he wanted to spend time at various other clubs.
ROK was being moved to the academy and he (understandably) took it as a slight against him and left over it. He wasn't sacked. Terry thought he would be in a job before the season ended and didn't want to start a season if he wasn't going to finish it and he wanted to spend time at various other clubs.
Is the correct answer on both counts - people should not try and conjure up anything else
Well that and his chats with other players, the so called champions league players in the England camp. He is as shallow as a comic-strip for romantic teenagers. When talent was handed out somehow it missed his brain.It is true that I have very low tolerance level for Mr Terry and I don't think Joe is smart enough to deflect criticism by making up something and is shallow enough to be influenced easily.So Joe said he made up his mind to move after a long chat with Terry.
Thanks John.
Not at all, unless you made your mind up about John Terry long ago and you want to spend your life looking for spurious evidence to discredit him.
So of all the hundreds of people Ratboy spoke to during his career, one chat with his old foreman was enough tio make up his mind.
Terry made a bad mistake leaving. I reckon he would have got the job on a caretaker basis when smith was sacked.I disagree with that. I think he’s going about his managerial career in just the right way, learning as he goes, without jumping into the top job like others have done and failed. I think he’ll be a top manager/coach when he does decide to take the leap having gained a really good apprenticeship with us and now Chelsea.
Now he demoted to a small role at chelsea
so from assistant first team coach to consultant to the Youth Team.Terry made a bad mistake leaving. I reckon he would have got the job on a caretaker basis when smith was sacked.I disagree with that. I think he’s going about his managerial career in just the right way, learning as he goes, without jumping into the top job like others have done and failed. I think he’ll be a top manager/coach when he does decide to take the leap having gained a really good apprenticeship with us and now Chelsea.
Now he demoted to a small role at chelsea
Let’s face it, he’s where he ultimately wants to be. He’s building up a lot of valuable experience in the process and will be really well placed when a managerial position comes up.so from assistant first team coach to consultant to the Youth Team.Terry made a bad mistake leaving. I reckon he would have got the job on a caretaker basis when smith was sacked.I disagree with that. I think he’s going about his managerial career in just the right way, learning as he goes, without jumping into the top job like others have done and failed. I think he’ll be a top manager/coach when he does decide to take the leap having gained a really good apprenticeship with us and now Chelsea.
Now he demoted to a small role at chelsea
Looks like he is plan B if and when they get fed up of Tuchel.
Wow. Read the fucking room mate.Judging by the majority of the comments below his post, rooms in Chelsea think a bit differently to the rest of the civilised world.
Wow. Read the fucking room mate.
As clumsy and unbelieveably ill-timed as it is, I think it's just his way of saying thanks. Not very well thought out at all to say the least but that's all I think it is.
Who knew?!
Who knew?!
Fair's fair, you've played the long game on that one!
Who knew?!I am also satisfied. We never wavered or blinked or flickered. An opportunist ****** always was always will be.
Who knew?!I am also satisfied. We never wavered or blinked or flickered. An opportunist ****** always was always will be.
I've no real idea..
I've no real idea..
This might help. https://twitter.com/JUSTIN_AVFC_/status/1499470248617070595
What a brilliant summary of Abramovic by Matthew Syed. Followed by a polar opposite dumb as fuck comment by Jim White "the Chelsea fans have grown to love him". Well duhhh he has bought every possible trophy for their grubby club several times over.I've no real idea..
This might help. https://twitter.com/JUSTIN_AVFC_/status/1499470248617070595
I've no real idea..
This might help. https://twitter.com/JUSTIN_AVFC_/status/1499470248617070595
I saw that earlier Gary. It’s a superb analysis by Matthew Syed and wasted on the the two chimps he’s trying to educate
I've no real idea..
This might help. https://twitter.com/JUSTIN_AVFC_/status/1499470248617070595
I've no real idea..
This might help. https://twitter.com/JUSTIN_AVFC_/status/1499470248617070595
Thanks for sharing. Jim White coming across as a tit as always.
But do any football fans in the main care much for how their owners have accumulated their wealth? Abramovich worse than Abu Dhabi or Saudi Arabia? Or even quasi arms dealers like Marcus Evans at Ipswich? Or the likes of the Glazers who invest little, load on more debt and have the likes of Fergie cheerleading them Jim White style in the media. Football fans nor football authorities (FA and their fit and proper test) don't give a sh*te.
I think he's got a point though Lee, in that when it comes to football it's the one area in life where people are more prepared to hold their nose, than almost anything else.
You've just failed the Fit and Proper Poster test.
I think he's got a point though Lee, in that when it comes to football it's the one area in life where people are more prepared to hold their nose, than almost anything else.
Yes. Wearing blue and yellow and wringing our hands for Ukraine but fuck the Palestinians (add other oppressed peoples who are not white here etc.)
Yes. Wearing blue and yellow and wringing our hands for Ukraine but fuck the Palestinians (add other oppressed peoples who are not white here etc.)
Yes. Wearing blue and yellow and wringing our hands for Ukraine but fuck the Palestinians (add other oppressed peoples who are not white here etc.)
I don’t know if Trevor Noah is known in Europe but I love his commentary on this. He is a late night talk show host here.
Just a snippet
https://www.newsweek.com/trevor-noah-slams-racist-ukraine-war-coverage-european-reporters-1684074
Yes. Wearing blue and yellow and wringing our hands for Ukraine but fuck the Palestinians (add other oppressed peoples who are not white here etc.)
I don’t know if Trevor Noah is known in Europe but I love his commentary on this. He is a late night talk show host here.
Just a snippet
https://www.newsweek.com/trevor-noah-slams-racist-ukraine-war-coverage-european-reporters-1684074
Yes. Wearing blue and yellow and wringing our hands for Ukraine but fuck the Palestinians (add other oppressed peoples who are not white here etc.)
I don’t know if Trevor Noah is known in Europe but I love his commentary on this. He is a late night talk show host here.
Just a snippet
https://www.newsweek.com/trevor-noah-slams-racist-ukraine-war-coverage-european-reporters-1684074
Hmmm, I think that's mostly wrong to be honest. I think he'd have a point if he was talking specifically about the response to refugees, eg Poland welcoming Ukrainians with open arms, whilst building a wall to keep Syrians and other aslum seekers out.
I don't think that 'coloured' is considered acceptabe these days mate.
I don't think that 'coloured' is considered acceptabe these days mate.
It shows what is different in terms of "accepted or understood" terminology in North America vs Europe. It's commonly used here, as in "people of colour" and as you know I considered myself coloured. Truthfully, I have no idea what is right or wrong anymore and what people decide top get worked up over. Personally, I tend not to get offended by those things with much, much bigger actual racism issues that we are facing.
I don't think that 'coloured' is considered acceptabe these days mate.
It shows what is different in terms of "accepted or understood" terminology in North America vs Europe. It's commonly used here, as in "people of colour" and as you know I considered myself coloured. Truthfully, I have no idea what is right or wrong anymore and what people decide top get worked up over. Personally, I tend not to get offended by those things with much, much bigger actual racism issues that we are facing.
I was specifically taught 'coloured' bad, 'black' good, in my Sociology A level, but that was 1994 and I think things have changed again now.
I don't think that 'coloured' is considered acceptabe these days mate.
It shows what is different in terms of "accepted or understood" terminology in North America vs Europe. It's commonly used here, as in "people of colour" and as you know I considered myself coloured. Truthfully, I have no idea what is right or wrong anymore and what people decide top get worked up over. Personally, I tend not to get offended by those things with much, much bigger actual racism issues that we are facing.
I was specifically taught 'coloured' bad, 'black' good, in my Sociology A level, but that was 1994 and I think things have changed again now.
When I referred to my African-American friend from New York as 'black' a few years ago he corrected me and said it's better to say 'coloured' so it may be a 'North America v Europe' thing as TV pointed out.
I don't think that 'coloured' is considered acceptabe these days mate.
It shows what is different in terms of "accepted or understood" terminology in North America vs Europe. It's commonly used here, as in "people of colour" and as you know I considered myself coloured. Truthfully, I have no idea what is right or wrong anymore and what people decide top get worked up over. Personally, I tend not to get offended by those things with much, much bigger actual racism issues that we are facing.
I was specifically taught 'coloured' bad, 'black' good, in my Sociology A level, but that was 1994 and I think things have changed again now.
When I referred to my African-American friend from New York as 'black' a few years ago he corrected me and said it's better to say 'coloured' so it may be a 'North America v Europe' thing as TV pointed out.
They can't even spell it properly so I'm not taking any notice of them.
I think he's got a point though Lee, in that when it comes to football it's the one area in life where people are more prepared to hold their nose, than almost anything else.
Double standards are littered throughout our society. Footballer kicks cat, outrage. Royal family members indiscriminately kill many wild animals for fun, wave flags.
“John Terry has always been a c*nt, is still a c*nt, and always will be a c*nt.” - Frederick Rinder, 1936.
He features in Coldwar Steve's latest work (https://twitter.com/Coldwar_Steve/status/1499805890119151619) on Twitter.
I don't think that 'coloured' is considered acceptabe these days mate.Yes. Coloured when applied to a human being is a bollocksed word. It has no value or status.
I don't think that 'coloured' is considered acceptabe these days mate.Yes. Coloured when applied to a human being is a bollocksed word. It has no value or status.
John Terry was a good player and coach for us. Personally I don’t care about anything else he does.
I hear his NFT has dropped in value by 90%. I am very surprised.