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Title: John Terry - Gone
Post by: dave.woodhall on June 21, 2017, 09:39:08 PM
May as well start a seperate thread now.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on June 21, 2017, 09:42:46 PM
Leader, Legend.

Kidding, kidding :)
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Lucky Eddie on June 21, 2017, 09:43:23 PM
He'll do for me
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 21, 2017, 09:45:09 PM
We know what you are.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Zouch Villa on June 21, 2017, 09:45:55 PM
AVsBJT
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: peter w on June 21, 2017, 09:46:55 PM
Is this thread started because it's likely to happen? or is it still newspaper speculation?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 21, 2017, 09:47:58 PM
Many places are reporting we've offered a contract, so sadly he gets his own thread.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Meanwood Villa on June 21, 2017, 09:54:40 PM
Oh dear.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Steve67 on June 21, 2017, 09:58:08 PM
Make us mean and hated by the rest. One season only, get us back up. JT is a winner and will help to change the slack ass culture. He's still a horrible bloke but I honestly think he will help in some way.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Nev on June 21, 2017, 09:59:14 PM
Bang

All my hopes and optimism for the club just vanished.

If anyone really thinks this bloke could give two fucks about Aston Villa then I hope and pray that you are right and I am wrong but like so many misguided moves of the past, this has all the hallmarks of a gamble that just won't work.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: class-of-82 on June 21, 2017, 10:01:08 PM
" make us mean and hated by the rest"
love it bring it on
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: boozey182 on June 21, 2017, 10:01:27 PM
Even if he doesn't split the dressing room, he's already splitting the fan base. It's a ludicrous move.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: boozey182 on June 21, 2017, 10:02:39 PM
Make us mean and hated by the rest. One season only, get us back up. JT is a winner and will help to change the slack ass culture. He's still a horrible bloke but I honestly think he will help in some way.

I'd love us to be hated because we won all the time. Not because we provided pensions for detestable human beings.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: phantom limb on June 21, 2017, 10:05:26 PM
Awful, terrible, appallingly bad idea on a number of levels.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on June 21, 2017, 10:06:19 PM
Make us mean and hated by the rest. One season only, get us back up. JT is a winner and will help to change the slack ass culture. He's still a horrible bloke but I honestly think he will help in some way.

I'd love us to be hated because we won all the time. Not because we provided pensions for detestable human beings.

I would take both.

Then again Terry is not one of my "I am done with this club till he is gone" players. I have some of those, but he isnt one. I do respect those fellow fans who do feel that way though.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: old man villa fan on June 21, 2017, 10:07:52 PM
Assuming that it is the manager's decision, Steve Bruce is p****** me off.  First bringing back GA and now JT.  Why not go for the hat-trick Steve and bring Richards back into the team.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 21, 2017, 10:08:27 PM
As he seems a tad divisive i've added a poll for the hell of it.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Damo70 on June 21, 2017, 10:08:57 PM
Bang

All my hopes and optimism for the club just vanished.

If anyone really thinks this bloke could give two fucks about Aston Villa then I hope and pray that you are right and I am wrong but like so many misguided moves of the past, this has all the hallmarks of a gamble that just won't work.



I don't want to share a flat with him or him to go out with my daughter and I really wouldn't like him getting up close and friendly with my wife. But as a footballer I would sign him.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 21, 2017, 10:10:16 PM
We've been rubbish for years but have always had a bit of class. That's gone if we sign Terry, but it's far from a guarantee that we will stop being rubbish. He's a racist and an arsehole.

Tell him to fuck off.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Damo70 on June 21, 2017, 10:11:14 PM
As he seems a tad divisive i've added a poll for the hell of it.


Tad divisive? PWS you win the most understated post of the year award.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: boozey182 on June 21, 2017, 10:11:36 PM
Make us mean and hated by the rest. One season only, get us back up. JT is a winner and will help to change the slack ass culture. He's still a horrible bloke but I honestly think he will help in some way.

I'd love us to be hated because we won all the time. Not because we provided pensions for detestable human beings.

I would take both.

Then again Terry is not one of my "I am done with this club till he is gone" players. I have some of those, but he isnt one. I do respect those fellow fans who do feel that way though.

That's fair enough. I fully understand that not everyone will feel as strongly about this as I do. (But just out of curiosity, who are the players that you consider to be more heinous than Terry?!?)
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 21, 2017, 10:11:56 PM
He's the very last person I'd want to see playing for us, and I include Carol Decker in that. He won't even be effective. This is a dreadful idea.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 21, 2017, 10:12:21 PM
As he seems a tad divisive i've added a poll for the hell of it.

Tad divisive? PWS you win the most understated post of the year award.

Woohoo. Where's my prize?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Damo70 on June 21, 2017, 10:16:37 PM
He had an affair and made a racist comment. I think possibly a lot of people are living in glass houses and throwing stones.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Steve67 on June 21, 2017, 10:17:08 PM
He's the very last person I'd want to see playing for us, and I include Carol Decker in that. He won't even be effective. This is a dreadful idea.

You bastard!! What the fuck has Carol ever done to you? She'd make a cracking centre half. And possibly be slightly more welcome than JT!!
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Damo70 on June 21, 2017, 10:17:43 PM
As he seems a tad divisive i've added a poll for the hell of it.

Tad divisive? PWS you win the most understated post of the year award.

Woohoo. Where's my prize?





Your prize is John Terry. ;)
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 21, 2017, 10:18:58 PM
He had an affair and made a racist comment. I think possibly a lot of people are living in glass houses and throwing stones.

I'm 47 and have found it easy not having an affair or racially abusing another person. I imagine a lot of other people have as well.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Steve67 on June 21, 2017, 10:19:04 PM
He had an affair and made a racist comment. I think possibly a lot of people are living in glass houses and throwing stones.

Slightly off topic, I always wondered why Ryan Giggs got an easy ride after strumping his sister in law.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: walsall villain on June 21, 2017, 10:19:24 PM
He is very likely to be past it so its a no from me.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 21, 2017, 10:19:39 PM
Footballers are well aware of penalties for racism. It's not an off-the-cuff remark, he knew exactly what he was doing. He's a racist.

We shouldn't be signing him.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: andyh on June 21, 2017, 10:19:50 PM
I have never, ever thought to myself, god, I wish we had John Terry in our team. Never.
That isn't going to change now.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Monty on June 21, 2017, 10:20:21 PM
Glad to see he's addressing the issue of pace in our defence by signing essentially a racist oak tree.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Deano's Mullet on June 21, 2017, 10:20:28 PM
No thanks
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Damo70 on June 21, 2017, 10:22:02 PM
He's the very last person I'd want to see playing for us, and I include Carol Decker in that. He won't even be effective. This is a dreadful idea.

You bastard!! What the fuck has Carol ever done to you? She'd make a cracking centre half. And possibly be slightly more welcome than JT!!


Coincidentally, along with Carol Decker John Terry also has the possible option of having China in his hand.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: KevinGage on June 21, 2017, 10:22:04 PM
This is probably the first player we have gone for that Xia has actually heard of, so can understand him acting like a child loaded up on E numbers. 

Or maybe that's just his usual twitter persona.

It was a scenario discussed on the other thread: how would we feel if another Championship club went for him.   Personally, I'd be delighted if Hull or Slumberland signed him. Imagine even a semi fit Hogan or Kodjia running at a backline containing either Terry and Dawson or Terry and O'Shea. 

That and the Blackcats landing Tony Adams as manager (are they really that mental) would illustrate some poor sods really do have it worse.

It's stating the obvious, but to do well next season and finish top two we are going to have to be a good team.  Average>above average results and performances might just be enough to squeak top 6, if some of the other big hitters take a season off.  But for automatic promotion we will need to dominate a league campaign in a way we haven't managed since 1992/93. 

You don't achieve that by making a bit part and divisive figure your highest paid player. Not if you value team morale. To address the fuckton of issues we have had since 2010, we need to learn from past mistakes.  But this sort of move demonstrates we're still looking for shortcuts.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: ozzjim on June 21, 2017, 10:22:42 PM
Glad to see he's addressing the issue of pace in our defence by signing essentially a racist oak tree.

Lol... made me chuckle. Fuck we are screwed sideways if Terry, Whelan, Elhomady and Johstone are the master plan.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Lizz on June 21, 2017, 10:24:45 PM
Not a signing I wanted.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 21, 2017, 10:26:28 PM
Glad to see he's addressing the issue of pace in our defence by signing essentially a racist oak tree.

Lol... made me chuckle. Fuck we are screwed sideways if Terry, Whelan, Elhomady and Johstone are the master plan.

Maybe we'll get that pacey young whippersnapper Joe Ledley as well.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: saunders_heroes on June 21, 2017, 10:26:32 PM
Assuming that it is the manager's decision, Steve Bruce is p****** me off.  First bringing back GA and now JT.  Why not go for the hat-trick Steve and bring Richards back into the team.

I thought bringing back Agbonlahor for the Small Heath match turned out quite well, didn't you?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Zouch Villa on June 21, 2017, 10:28:01 PM
He's a detestable cnut, but he's considering dropping down a division rather than looking to the states or China for his last pay check, so hopefully he is motivated more by the football than the cash.

We have been far too easily bullied, intimidated and pushed aside for too long, so if he brings some steel (with a side order of nastiness), I'm prepared to give him the benefit of doubt. However, if he puts one foot wrong, he'll take an absolute hammering.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: saunders_heroes on June 21, 2017, 10:30:37 PM
He's a detestable cnut, but he's considering dropping down a division rather than looking to the states or China for his last pay check, so hopefully he is motivated more by the football than the cash.

We have been far too easily bullied, intimidated and pushed aside for too long, so if he brings some steel (with a side order of nastiness), I'm prepared to give him the benefit of doubt. However, if he puts one foot wrong, he'll take an absolute hammering.

Hear hear! Sign him up and be done with it. It'll be good to finally get a nasty so so in the team, and a winner.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 21, 2017, 10:33:04 PM
He's the very last person I'd want to see playing for us, and I include Carol Decker in that. He won't even be effective. This is a dreadful idea.

You bastard!! What the fuck has Carol ever done to you? She'd make a cracking centre half. And possibly be slightly more welcome than JT!!

What has she done to me? Allowed me acres of space to score from a corner with my head. And I don't get many with my head.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Axl Rose on June 21, 2017, 10:34:32 PM
Oh dear.

My sentiments exactly.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: old man villa fan on June 21, 2017, 10:34:37 PM
Assuming that it is the manager's decision, Steve Bruce is p****** me off.  First bringing back GA and now JT.  Why not go for the hat-trick Steve and bring Richards back into the team.

I thought bringing back Agbonlahor for the Small Heath match turned out quite well, didn't you?

And what else did he do in the rest of the games he played.  £3m for one goal that Harry Redknapp's wife could have scored (until he ran her over).  Great example for young players at the club.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Monty on June 21, 2017, 10:34:44 PM
You know, I remember when not being nasty enough c**ts was a massive problem that was going to be solved by bringing in Keane, Jedinak, Elphick, bringing back Hutton and so on. Perhaps we could try signing talent instead.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: dicedlam on June 21, 2017, 10:35:21 PM
Repulsive prick...but if he helps to get my team out of this god awful league, then I could stomach the bastard for a season or two.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: boozey182 on June 21, 2017, 10:35:45 PM
Is our expectation of a Villa player so low that we even have to bend the "Don't say anything racist" rule? I really thought that one would have been easy enough to fulfil. I hate to sound like a saint, and I am a few years younger than VBJT, but I haven't racially abused anyone at work yet.

(I do abuse nationals of a country the day after they suffer a terrorist attack though)

(I don't)
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 21, 2017, 10:35:50 PM
Yep, can't wait to pay millions to a scumbag to do things like this. Just what we need.

&t=12s
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on June 21, 2017, 10:42:27 PM
Make us mean and hated by the rest. One season only, get us back up. JT is a winner and will help to change the slack ass culture.He's still a horrible bloke but I honestly think he will help in some way.

That's exactly what people said about Roy Keane.  We never learn, do we?

I fear two things:

One, this reckless deal bankrupts us and leaves us doomed for years.

Two, what Brian Green said earlier, chillingly: Terry will be our next manager.

Bloody hate football, me.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on June 21, 2017, 10:44:43 PM
Make us mean and hated by the rest. One season only, get us back up. JT is a winner and will help to change the slack ass culture. He's still a horrible bloke but I honestly think he will help in some way.

I'd love us to be hated because we won all the time. Not because we provided pensions for detestable human beings.

I would take both.

Then again Terry is not one of my "I am done with this club till he is gone" players. I have some of those, but he isnt one. I do respect those fellow fans who do feel that way though.

That's fair enough. I fully understand that not everyone will feel as strongly about this as I do. (But just out of curiosity, who are the players that you consider to be more heinous than Terry?!?)

Joey Barton, James McClean to name two. I would also feel tested if Suarez showed up in a few years. Again I dont like John Terry, but he doesnt hit my button you know?

Anyways, hopefully this will all be moot and terry will bugger off overseas somewhere.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 21, 2017, 10:44:59 PM
Joe Cole was a winner as well, the club even made sure we knew it by doing this.

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRJJ4C3ZIk-Locr5DZ3An0F8s6ihuAjLV3k2c1cDoEWbYKZsSwYoA)
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: saunders_heroes on June 21, 2017, 10:45:17 PM
Assuming that it is the manager's decision, Steve Bruce is p****** me off.  First bringing back GA and now JT.  Why not go for the hat-trick Steve and bring Richards back into the team.

I thought bringing back Agbonlahor for the Small Heath match turned out quite well, didn't you?

And what else did he do in the rest of the games he played.  £3m for one goal that Harry Redknapp's wife could have scored (until he ran her over).  Great example for young players at the club.

So I take it you didn't cheer that goal then, out of principle?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Damo70 on June 21, 2017, 10:49:07 PM
You know, I remember when not being nasty enough c**ts was a massive problem that was going to be solved by bringing in Keane, Jedinak, Elphick, bringing back Hutton and so on. Perhaps we could try signing talent instead.


Signing talent??? You are so behind the times. Remember the 'Young and Hungry' Lambert plan? Then the 'cheap and cheerful plan'. It is like Baldrick from Blackadder with his 'cunning plans'. I'm terrified at what the next 'plan' might be.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: KevinGage on June 21, 2017, 10:49:56 PM
Joe Cole was a winner as well, the club even made sure we knew it by doing this.

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRJJ4C3ZIk-Locr5DZ3An0F8s6ihuAjLV3k2c1cDoEWbYKZsSwYoA)

That's what we need. More players who have played for the Ing er land. They have the pashun.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Ads on June 21, 2017, 10:51:31 PM
Glad to see he's addressing the issue of pace in our defence by signing essentially a racist oak tree.

Pace isn't an issue, concentration is.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 21, 2017, 10:51:57 PM
You know, I remember when not being nasty enough c**ts was a massive problem that was going to be solved by bringing in Keane, Jedinak, Elphick, bringing back Hutton and so on. Perhaps we could try signing talent instead.


Signing talent??? You are so behind the times. Remember the 'Young and Hungry' Lambert plan? Then the 'cheap and cheerful plan'. It is like Baldrick from Blackadder with his 'cunning plans'. I'm terrified at what the next 'plan' might be.

Maybe we'll be signing all these players we're being linked with to get the cold weather payments in the winter, added income towards FFP.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Monty on June 21, 2017, 10:53:03 PM
Glad to see he's addressing the issue of pace in our defence by signing essentially a racist oak tree.

Pace isn't an issue, concentration is.

I think everything is, to be fair.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: KevinGage on June 21, 2017, 10:54:46 PM
You know, I remember when not being nasty enough c**ts was a massive problem that was going to be solved by bringing in Keane, Jedinak, Elphick, bringing back Hutton and so on. Perhaps we could try signing talent instead.


Signing talent??? You are so behind the times. Remember the 'Young and Hungry' Lambert plan? Then the 'cheap and cheerful plan'. It is like Baldrick from Blackadder with his 'cunning plans'. I'm terrified at what the next 'plan' might be.

Doing precisely what we have done eighteen times before is exactly the last thing they'll expect us to do this time.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: robbyfvillain on June 21, 2017, 10:58:59 PM
Yep, can't wait to pay millions to a scumbag to do things like this. Just what we need.

&t=12s

That was the only time I thought about Terry playing for the Villa. My thought was I bet he would have been sent off if he played for us.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 21, 2017, 11:01:21 PM
Judging by how the FA seem to treat us, if it had been a Villa player he'd still be serving the ban.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on June 21, 2017, 11:02:57 PM
I thought we only had £1m to spend this summer?  We will blow £3m on him in a year for starters.  I'd be a lot happier if there were any signs of Micah Fcukin Richards going and Gabby for that matter. Imagine these three clicking in training laughing like hyenas.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on June 21, 2017, 11:04:04 PM
Judging by how the FA seem to treat us, if it had been a Villa player he'd still be serving the ban.

Very good.

It's got worse as well. If that had happened this season Petrov would have been banned for harming the Chelsea player.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 21, 2017, 11:17:23 PM
You know, I remember when not being nasty enough c**ts was a massive problem that was going to be solved by bringing in Keane, Jedinak, Elphick, bringing back Hutton and so on. Perhaps we could try signing talent instead.

We agree once more, Montague.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Monty on June 21, 2017, 11:18:37 PM
You know, I remember when not being nasty enough c**ts was a massive problem that was going to be solved by bringing in Keane, Jedinak, Elphick, bringing back Hutton and so on. Perhaps we could try signing talent instead.

We agree once more, Montague.

With pleasure, Sexual...bert.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 21, 2017, 11:21:06 PM
You know, I remember when not being nasty enough c**ts was a massive problem that was going to be solved by bringing in Keane, Jedinak, Elphick, bringing back Hutton and so on. Perhaps we could try signing talent instead.

We agree once more, Montague.

With pleasure, Sexual...bert.

Sexualoysius. It's a James Joyce thing.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on June 21, 2017, 11:21:19 PM
What concerns me is ..... who has suggested this signing and who is advising the owner that it is a sensible move. For me it is a financial gamble with a potential to split the fan base just when we need everyone to be pulling in the same direction.
We all want promotion this season and yes we need to do everything we can to maximise the opportunity, however this smacks of desperation and mirrors numerous other risky signing we have made in the past - as a club we don't appear to learn by our expensive failings in the past ......
   
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: London Villan on June 21, 2017, 11:24:48 PM
I wonder if him remembers the reaction he got when he was stretchered off a couple of years ago.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: sickbeggar on June 21, 2017, 11:28:31 PM
Quite happy about it. He's a winner and its a long time since we had one of those here. Think he will cope at this level if he stays fit - big question mark admittedly. All the racist crap, well he was found not guilty although you wouldn't know it reading this thread. Personally if players like Drogba thought he was racist i've no doubt he or them would have left chelsea at the time over the issue. Whether he can cope with some of the work shy fuckers at our club is another thing - probably be quite an eye opener for him.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 21, 2017, 11:29:56 PM
I'll judge the summer transfer business by what we do besides Terry. It's about the net of all players in and out that will define the window. I've said yes to Terry as it is one year and despite what we all feel about him he's been a leader at a high level. He'll need to stay fit and that's naturally a concern but I think at Championship level he has more than enough ability even at 37.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 21, 2017, 11:31:58 PM
What concerns me is ..... who has suggested this signing and who is advising the owner that it is a sensible move. For me it is a financial gamble with a potential to split the fan base just when we need everyone to be pulling in the same direction.
We all want promotion this season and yes we need to do everything we can to maximise the opportunity, however this smacks of desperation and mirrors numerous other risky signing we have made in the past - as a club we don't appear to learn by our expensive failings in the past ......
   

Steve Bruce surely given he's been playing Golf with him for seemingly the last week.

I would've been dead against this move if we were still a prem club but we aren't and we certainly need all the help going to get out of this league. I can certainly understand people who don't want him though.

Any word on length of contract, 1-2 years, coaching aswell, promise of captaincy which would certainly be a mistake.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Dave on June 21, 2017, 11:39:07 PM
Joey Barton, James McClean to name two. I would also feel tested if Suarez showed up in a few years. Again I dont like John Terry, but he doesnt hit my button you know?

Has Suarez really done anything that much worse?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 21, 2017, 11:39:47 PM
Why would he not be captain? He's hardly going to come to the club if he's not captain.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 21, 2017, 11:40:56 PM
I thought we only had £1m to spend this summer?  We will blow £3m on him in a year for starters. 

That's transfer fees as a result of FFP.

If that was the case, it would make this sort of deal even more likely - no fee, just big wages.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Dave on June 21, 2017, 11:41:23 PM
Why would he not be captain? He's hardly going to come to the club if he's not captain.

Because we have one already?

Edit - although at least it would be consistent.

2015 - Richards. 2016 - Elphick. 2017 - Terry.

New centre-back bought in by a manager having their first summer transfer window gets the captaincy.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 21, 2017, 11:41:46 PM
He's a massive, massive ****** and I personally would not piss on him if he were on fire, and I would seriously question his mental attitude coming here where we currently languish, but I can't believe anyone really thinks he wouldn't enormously improve our defence.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 21, 2017, 11:42:19 PM
Joey Barton, James McClean to name two. I would also feel tested if Suarez showed up in a few years. Again I dont like John Terry, but he doesnt hit my button you know?

Has Suarez really done anything that much worse?

Has James McClean done anything at all?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 21, 2017, 11:42:24 PM
I'd also like to big up Damon for seeing this coming about 3 years ago and changing his username appropriately.

Prescient stuff.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 21, 2017, 11:43:31 PM
I'd also like to big up Damon for seeing this coming about 3 years ago and changing his username appropriately.

Prescient stuff.

Agreed. We all love JT now. All hail JT!
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 21, 2017, 11:43:40 PM
Why would he not be captain? He's hardly going to come to the club if he's not captain.

Because we have one already?


When it comes to captains and we have John Terry at the club he's the obvious choice as captain. Not James Chester
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 21, 2017, 11:46:00 PM
Not really. Chester has proven himself as a Villa player, Terry hasn't. I see no need to change the captain, and I think Chester would, rightly, see it as an undeserved snub if we did.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 21, 2017, 11:47:07 PM
Why would he not be captain? He's hardly going to come to the club if he's not captain.

I remember years ago Wolves signed that guy from SHA and instantly made him captain and what was a stable dressing room totally disintegrated and they were relegated with a whimper.

I'm not a fan of making new players captain unless the incumbent actually suggests it which maybe Chester will do.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Dave on June 21, 2017, 11:48:25 PM
Why would he not be captain? He's hardly going to come to the club if he's not captain.

Because we have one already?


When it comes to captains and we have John Terry at the club he's the obvious choice as captain. Not James Chester

Why, does he win more coin tosses?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Damo70 on June 21, 2017, 11:49:08 PM
He's a massive, massive c*** and I personally would not piss on him if he were on fire, and I would seriously question his mental attitude coming here where we currently languish, but I can't believe anyone really thinks he wouldn't enormously improve our defence.

Hitting the nail on the head. I have worked with a lot of people I didn't particularly like but they got the job done.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 21, 2017, 11:49:56 PM
Pretty easy to see why some folks aren't convinced that a 36, soon to be 37, year old that has hardly played for a year may not improve our defence at all. First of all hardly any of us, or anyone, has seen him play much for a year, and secondly he actually needs to get on the pitch. Maybe he would improve us, it's hardly guaranteed though.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on June 21, 2017, 11:51:48 PM
Joey Barton, James McClean to name two. I would also feel tested if Suarez showed up in a few years. Again I dont like John Terry, but he doesnt hit my button you know?

Has Suarez really done anything that much worse?

Has James McClean done anything at all?

He is an anti British bigot who openly supports terrorists who murdered people in my home city. So yes. He is "not my cup of tea" as they say. He can fuck right off.

@dave for Suarez. Probably similar levels of asshattery to Terry to be fair. I find the combo of odious racism with blatant cheating puts him over the top. But for sure its close :)
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 21, 2017, 11:52:07 PM
Why would he not be captain? He's hardly going to come to the club if he's not captain.

Because we have one already?


When it comes to captains and we have John Terry at the club he's the obvious choice as captain. Not James Chester

Why, does he win more coin tosses?

Is that all Captain does? If that's the case just give it Gabby.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 21, 2017, 11:53:19 PM
He needs to be captain if he signs so as he can organise his guard of honour every time he leaves the pitch.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Dave on June 21, 2017, 11:53:26 PM
Joey Barton, James McClean to name two. I would also feel tested if Suarez showed up in a few years. Again I dont like John Terry, but he doesnt hit my button you know?

Has Suarez really done anything that much worse?

Has James McClean done anything at all?

I'd bet the DUP would say so. Otherwise, not so much.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: tomd2103 on June 21, 2017, 11:53:35 PM
Pretty easy to see why some folks aren't convinced that a 36, soon to be 37, year old that has hardly played for a year may not improve our defence at all. First of all hardly any of us, or anyone, has seen him play much for a year, and secondly he actually needs to get on the pitch. Maybe he would improve us, it's hardly guaranteed though.

Agreed PWS.  It's a massive risk and an expensive one at that according to some sources (£3m + another £2m if we go up one source is quoting).  Just seems an unnecessary gamble in the position we are in.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: olaftab on June 21, 2017, 11:53:42 PM
He had an affair and made a racist comment. I think possibly a lot of people are living in glass houses and throwing stones.

I'm 47 and have found it easy not having an affair or racially abusing another person. I imagine a lot of other people have as well.
Exactly. However I don't believe you are 47 ;)
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 21, 2017, 11:53:58 PM
Why would he not be captain? He's hardly going to come to the club if he's not captain.

I remember years ago Wolves signed that guy from SHA and instantly made him captain and what was a stable dressing room totally disintegrated and they were relegated with a whimper.

I'm not a fan of making new players captain unless the incumbent actually suggests it which maybe Chester will do.

But he's hardly some no name. There's a big difference between just changing the captain versus changing it to someone who has captained club and country.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 21, 2017, 11:54:08 PM
Another bad thing about making Terry captain is that it makes him a symbol of the club. A revolting thought.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Dave on June 21, 2017, 11:57:21 PM
Why would he not be captain? He's hardly going to come to the club if he's not captain.

Because we have one already?


When it comes to captains and we have John Terry at the club he's the obvious choice as captain. Not James Chester

Why, does he win more coin tosses?

Is that all Captain does? If that's the case just give it Gabby.

Well...yes. Actually I think they're the first in line to be wheeled out for a press conference as well. So two things.

Are you suggesting that all these young impressionable players like Jedinak, Hutton and Lansbury will only bother listening to Terry's "come on lads, we got these" shouts if he has a bit of elastic on his arm?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 21, 2017, 11:59:35 PM
Joey Barton, James McClean to name two. I would also feel tested if Suarez showed up in a few years. Again I dont like John Terry, but he doesnt hit my button you know?

Has Suarez really done anything that much worse?

Has James McClean done anything at all?

He is an anti British bigot who openly supports terrorists who murdered people in my home city. So yes. He is "not my cup of tea" as they say. He can fuck right off.



Is this about not wearing a poppy? If that's all you've got, you need to see a doctor.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 22, 2017, 12:05:35 AM
I'm sure Let's Argue About James McClean Day gets earlier every year.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: olaftab on June 22, 2017, 12:05:49 AM
I'd also like to big up Damon for seeing this coming about 3 years ago and changing his username appropriately.

Prescient stuff.
Hail Damon. He is the true messiah.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: paul_e on June 22, 2017, 12:09:24 AM
He's a massive, massive c*** and I personally would not piss on him if he were on fire, and I would seriously question his mental attitude coming here where we currently languish, but I can't believe anyone really thinks he wouldn't enormously improve our defence.

2-3 years ago he would have but there's a good reason why you don't see many 36-37 year olds playing.  I get that he was never that quick so losing his pace isn't a massive blow, but I'm worried he's past that now.  Football is about lots of short sprints, even for slower players, and there comes a point where the legs just don't recover as quickly and filling the lungs gets harder. In the Watford game Terry looked like he'd reached that point.  He scored a decent goal from a corner, ran around celebrating and then got caught taking a bit of a rest and couldn't get behind a ball to head it away and instead just flicked it on for the Watford equaliser.  Terry 2 years ago doesn't make that mistake and, in my opinion, no amount of fitness work in the summer will remove that problem.  On top of that to justify giving him the sort of money we've offered he really needs to play 35+ games and I honestly don't think he's capable of that.

I'm not the same as most people on here, I don't care that he's a bellend (there's no debate here, he definitely is one), I reckon 30 years ago you'd have found 2-3 players in every club that were worse than him but because they weren't celebrities no one really gave a shit.  Getting angry about him being a bellend is just buying ever more into the idea that football is as much about the lifestyle as it is the game.  I think plenty of our players from the last 15-20 years are just as bad, I just think so long as they're not breaking the law it doesn't really matter that much.  People talk about footballers being role models, I think that if you're letting your kids look at someone like John Terry or Wayne Rooney as their lifestyle icon then you've got bigger problems than them letting you don't by shagging around or acting like a twat.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Risso on June 22, 2017, 12:09:32 AM
I'm sure Let's Argue About James McClean Day gets earlier every year.

It's no Tit Monday to be fair.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Damo70 on June 22, 2017, 12:16:02 AM
I'm sure Let's Argue About James McClean Day gets earlier every year.

It's no Tit Monday to be fair.


Was that the one by New Order or The Bangles? I get them mixed up.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Drummond on June 22, 2017, 12:34:56 AM
He's a massive, massive c*** and I personally would not piss on him if he were on fire, and I would seriously question his mental attitude coming here where we currently languish, but I can't believe anyone really thinks he wouldn't enormously improve our defence.

Quite.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: brian green on June 22, 2017, 07:07:22 AM
I am firmly in the PWS school that says there is no evidence that he will bring this magical improvement to our defence.

This thread and the other one show that there is very clear division in the fan base between those whose unwavering support and commitment to the club is based on more than the weekly score line and those who think the weekly score line and nothing but the weekly score line is all that matters.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: itbrvilla on June 22, 2017, 07:07:46 AM
Bang

All my hopes and optimism for the club just vanished.

If anyone really thinks this bloke could give two fucks about Aston Villa then I hope and pray that you are right and I am wrong but like so many misguided moves of the past, this has all the hallmarks of a gamble that just won't work.
Spot on. Do we have a plan? A scouting network? Someone watching the budget? We appear to me as much of a shambles as at any point in the last 10 years. 
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on June 22, 2017, 07:18:20 AM
Bang

All my hopes and optimism for the club just vanished.

If anyone really thinks this bloke could give two fucks about Aston Villa then I hope and pray that you are right and I am wrong but like so many misguided moves of the past, this has all the hallmarks of a gamble that just won't work.
Spot on. Do we have a plan? A scouting network? Someone watching the budget? We appear to me as much of a shambles as at any point in the last 10 years.

This for me as well
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: luca_30 on June 22, 2017, 07:43:02 AM
This feels very familiar to the Brexit argument. Pro-Brexit = Pro Terry? A punt in the dark on something that might turn out alright (but isn't likely) but able to split us all.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 22, 2017, 07:51:37 AM
If I look past his obvious character flaws and look from a playing perspective, if he is fit and on the pitch, and is motivated, he should be more than good enough at this level. The fitness is a big question though. Also I do struggle to look past those character flaws.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on June 22, 2017, 07:57:34 AM
As fit as he may be a concern is the rigours of the championship for a 37 year old

If like jedinak he manages 32 odd games thats 14 where we are chopping and changing
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on June 22, 2017, 08:20:39 AM
I don't think he will have any idea of how tough this division is until he tries it and gets injured away at Cardiff on the 2nd Saturday.  Imagine him playing away at Barnsley on a cold Tuesday night.

He played all right in Sheffield on a cold Tuesday night to be fair.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: MoetVillan on June 22, 2017, 08:30:11 AM
I think one of his many issues has been his ability to play away
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Damo70 on June 22, 2017, 08:32:10 AM
I don't think he will have any idea of how tough this division is until he tries it and gets injured away at Cardiff on the 2nd Saturday.  Imagine him playing away at Barnsley on a cold Tuesday night.

Great football cliches. 'Barnsley on a cold Wednesday night'. I will counter that with 'Rotherham on a wet Wednesday night'.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cannock villa on June 22, 2017, 08:33:21 AM
We need to change our name to Southampton as we have a hell of a lot of saints for supporters. How many on here calling him all the name's under the sun can say with hand on heart they have never make a comment about the colour of somebodies skin colour or race whether in jest or not.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 22, 2017, 08:40:14 AM
I can honestly say I've never racially abused someone. If I did, I wouldn't expect to keep my job. It's to Chelsea's shame that they stood by the racist, and would be to Villa's shame if we compound their error of judgement by signing the bigot.

Let him go to somewhere like Russia or Serbia where he'll be appreciated.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: The Edge on June 22, 2017, 08:41:12 AM
I don't think he would disrupt the dressing room in fact I think the opposite. I think he's at an age where at least one last hurrah would still be in his locker and he could be a lynch pin for our promotion push next season. Do I like the man? From what I've heard. No. Would I like to go for a pint with him? No. But I would cheer a goal he stuck in the net at the Holte End. I'd cheer a crunching tackle or heroic header. Make no mistake if we fail again this season we are in serious danger of sliding into oblivion. For me it's a chance we have to take.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 22, 2017, 08:43:55 AM
There's no guarantee he will bring success, any more than previous "winners" such as Schmeichel, Lescott and Richards did.

I'd rather we invested in a young centre-half who will get better, rather than one on the wain.

Baker and Chester are among the better partnerships in the division anyway, so someone who can provide cover and will improve over time is the way to go.

If we are spending stupid money on one player, a creative, pacey, midfielder is the obvious choice.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: dave shelley on June 22, 2017, 08:45:51 AM
Aston Villa has an esteemed history that is second to none.  It does not need John Terry to sully it.  Not for me thanks.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on June 22, 2017, 08:47:48 AM
I'd say throwing big money at a controversial past-it centre-half could well speed our journey to oblivion.

Oh, and to answer CV, I've managed to never racially abuse anyone. Not sure how it can be done "in jest" either.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on June 22, 2017, 08:51:49 AM
There's no guarantee he will bring success, any more than previous "winners" such as Schmeichel, Lescott and Richards did.

I'd rather we invested in a young centre-half who will get better, rather than one on the wain.

Baker and Chester are among the better partnerships in the division anyway, so someone who can provide cover and will improve over time is the way to go.

If we are spending stupid money on one player, a creative, pacey, midfielder is the obvious choice.

Bolded has been true for years, I am baffled why all recent our managers have not taken the midfield problem seriously.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: itbrvilla on June 22, 2017, 08:56:34 AM
There's no guarantee he will bring success, any more than previous "winners" such as Schmeichel, Lescott and Richards did.

I'd rather we invested in a young centre-half who will get better, rather than one on the wain.

Baker and Chester are among the better partnerships in the division anyway, so someone who can provide cover and will improve over time is the way to go.

If we are spending stupid money on one player, a creative, pacey, midfielder is the obvious choice.

Bolded has been true for years, I am baffled why all recent our managers have not taken the midfield problem seriously.
I thought we bought a few last year who as soon as they join us became shite?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Ads on June 22, 2017, 08:59:05 AM
John Terry being at the club for a year sullies our name? Really? When we've added another 60 years onto our history and people look back over our 200 they'll tut at John Terry?

Please. The older amongst you may well have hero worshiped a wife beater or at the very least celebrated his goals. We've had nasty characters before and we will likely have more.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: AVH87 on June 22, 2017, 09:02:44 AM
I'd take him. Think it's different to when we signed the likes of Richards and Lescott, they weren't the long-term Captain of their club side or country.

Think his leadership, organisation and ability would command the respect of the dressing room.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: badluckeric(gates) on June 22, 2017, 09:06:40 AM
I am in favour of this short term. If he is prepared to turn down megabucks offers which surely he will have from china/usa etc to try to get us promotion that's good enough for me.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: olaftab on June 22, 2017, 09:11:28 AM
I don't want him here but I can be persuaded by Darren Woolley. I wish he would hurry up and express his usual strong opinion one way or the other🤔
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Brend'Watkins on June 22, 2017, 09:13:22 AM
Alongside Chester he's better than anything we currently have even allowing for his years and his lack of pace. His added experience and know how will definitely add something. I don't think we'll be too guilty of the defence being 'all over the place' in games next season.

Having said all that, I don't really want him here and would rather as others have suggested opted for a younger player with potential.  If you're Steve Bruce with only this season to get the job done you're not going to take that risk if you can bring in Terry.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 22, 2017, 09:14:16 AM
Yes that's a point I would see this as make or break for Bruce.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on June 22, 2017, 09:17:02 AM
We need to change our name to Southampton as we have a hell of a lot of saints for supporters. How many on here calling him all the name's under the sun can say with hand on heart they have never make a comment about the colour of somebodies skin colour or race whether in jest or not.

True, only yesterday I called someone at work a "fucking black c*nt"
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: itbrvilla on June 22, 2017, 09:20:43 AM
So £100,000 per week and £2m promotion bonus.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 22, 2017, 09:22:22 AM
Where's that come from?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: KevinGage on June 22, 2017, 09:23:53 AM
Wonder if he's had a word with Joe Cole and Bobby Di Matteo and that has swung it for him.

Ideal club to go to, you can get away with less than three months work and still get a big fat pay off.  Would make it even sweeter for him, rinsing the club for £3 -£4 million after all the stick he used to get from the Holte.

Then heading off to the States next season -or even in Jan, if we're desperate enough to get shot that early.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: KevinGage on June 22, 2017, 09:25:19 AM
So £100,000 per week and £2m promotion bonus.

Being reported as £60k with £2 promotion bonus in most places. 
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Brend'Watkins on June 22, 2017, 09:28:24 AM
So £100,000 per week and £2m promotion bonus.

Being reported as £60k with £2 promotion bonus in most places. 

If we get up it's worth it.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: The Edge on June 22, 2017, 09:35:30 AM
Aston Villa has an esteemed history that is second to none.  It does not need John Terry to sully it.  Not for me thanks.
Not so sure signing one player with a bad past can sully the reputation of our club. We've had some very dodgy characters in our past.We've had playets with bad reputations before.We've even had board members sent to jail for fraud. I'm no fan of JT the man but I think it's a no brainer for a club in our position to sign the player.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: The Laughing Policeman on June 22, 2017, 09:37:14 AM
No thanks. I don't want us to be part of the nasty egotistical buggers farewell tour.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on June 22, 2017, 09:38:57 AM
We need to change our name to Southampton as we have a hell of a lot of saints for supporters. How many on here calling him all the name's under the sun can say with hand on heart they have never make a comment about the colour of somebodies skin colour or race whether in jest or not.

How long have you worked for Kensington and Chelsea council?

True, only yesterday I called someone at work a "fucking black c*nt"

How long have you been working for Kensington and Chelsea Council?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Three Spires Villa on June 22, 2017, 09:47:56 AM
I do not want him at our club for lots of reasons, but mostly its a big wage for a player of his age, i dont think (hope I am wrong) he would cope with the Tuesday / Saturday games.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: CJ on June 22, 2017, 09:51:35 AM
Obnoxious and past it. It's a no from me
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: The Edge on June 22, 2017, 10:16:01 AM
So £100,000 per week and £2m promotion bonus.

Being reported as £60k with £2 promotion bonus in most places. 

If we get up it's worth it.
Come on. If we get promoted it's worth more than  £2
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: stuart445 on June 22, 2017, 10:46:02 AM
Quite happy about it. He's a winner and its a long time since we had one of those here. Think he will cope at this level if he stays fit - big question mark admittedly. All the racist crap, well he was found not guilty although you wouldn't know it reading this thread. Personally if players like Drogba thought he was racist i've no doubt he or them would have left chelsea at the time over the issue. Whether he can cope with some of the work shy fuckers at our club is another thing - probably be quite an eye opener for him.

Remember what what Sherwood said when we'd signed Lescott and Richards, he said what we'd signed is winners. That worked out well didn't it
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: auntiesledd on June 22, 2017, 10:49:45 AM
I can't stand him either, but I think he'd certainly improve our chances of a return to the cash cow aka The Premier League. If Bruce decides he wants Terry, there's sod-all I can do or say to change his mind.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: peter w on June 22, 2017, 10:55:38 AM
The overriding thing for me on the football front is that I'm a little punch drunk with signing players as a gamble, or from clubs that don't really want them anymore, and seeing them being absolutely useless and knowing that we've pissed even more money down the drain. Richards, Lescott, Sinclair, Cole, Holt, Helenius, Senderos, Gestede, Gil, the list goes on but I can't be arsed wit it. I struggle to see Terry being any better than those. Dropping a level doesn't mean the intensity drops. If his legs have 'gone' then he'll be caught out every bit as much as Rio Ferdinand was at QPR. He may not have had much pace to start with, but you don't want him becoming a lunger to make up for it, or Chester and the left-back having to cover for him bringing the midfield deeper.

It has bad decision written all over it and we're doing it just because we can. It's the sort of bad decision that blights many clubs striving for former glories signing players striving for former glories. Neither tend to ever work.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Brend'Watkins on June 22, 2017, 10:57:06 AM
Quite happy about it. He's a winner and its a long time since we had one of those here. Think he will cope at this level if he stays fit - big question mark admittedly. All the racist crap, well he was found not guilty although you wouldn't know it reading this thread. Personally if players like Drogba thought he was racist i've no doubt he or them would have left chelsea at the time over the issue. Whether he can cope with some of the work shy fuckers at our club is another thing - probably be quite an eye opener for him.

Remember what what Sherwood said when we'd signed Lescott and Richards, he said what we'd signed is winners. That worked out well didn't it

The big difference in that is Sherwood, Richards and Lescott.

I'd expect even Bruce a top former defender himself knowing a bit more about the difference between Terry and those you've listed than the 'wingin it' Sherwood.

Terry won't be anywhere near the player he was in his prime but he will be good enough and better than what we've got.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 22, 2017, 10:58:28 AM
We need to change our name to Southampton as we have a hell of a lot of saints for supporters. How many on here calling him all the name's under the sun can say with hand on heart they have never make a comment about the colour of somebodies skin colour or race whether in jest or not.

*Waves*
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: olaftab on June 22, 2017, 11:04:06 AM
Is this another bad decision in the long list of previous bad decisions  that have led to our Club heading  in  downward direction?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Monty on June 22, 2017, 11:06:37 AM
We need to change our name to Southampton as we have a hell of a lot of saints for supporters. How many on here calling him all the name's under the sun can say with hand on heart they have never make a comment about the colour of somebodies skin colour or race whether in jest or not.

'People objecting to Ched Evans? We should change our name to Bill Oddie as we have a lot of Goodies on hear. Who here hand on heart can say they've never forced themselves on a woman without consent, whether in jest or not.'
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Deano's Mullet on June 22, 2017, 11:06:44 AM
Its going to happen isn't it? It just feels like a marquee signing that will cause more trouble than good.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Nelly on June 22, 2017, 11:31:24 AM
A deeply uninspiring attempt at a marquee signing. One that makes me question what sort of scouting policy we have? Just to sign a 'name' player, no matter who, his age, ability or motivation. Hm.

Also, if he were to come, how long before he ends up having a Houllier-esque moment where he waffles on about Chelsea?

I want Villa to try and create it's own legends, not scrape for them at the tail ends of careers at other clubs.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: MalcolmP on June 22, 2017, 11:32:09 AM
Its going to happen isn't it? It just feels like a marquee signing that will cause more trouble than good.

Sign him up - I think Terry's All Gold.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Dave on June 22, 2017, 11:42:49 AM
I'd expect even Bruce a top former defender himself knowing a bit more about the difference between Terry and those you've listed than the 'wingin it' Sherwood.

It doesn't really work like that though.

Lambert's a Champions League winning central midfielder, he still signed Westwood and played him for three seasons.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cannock villa on June 22, 2017, 11:43:59 AM
We need to change our name to Southampton as we have a hell of a lot of saints for supporters. How many on here calling him all the name's under the sun can say with hand on heart they have never make a comment about the colour of somebodies skin colour or race whether in jest or not.

'People objecting to Ched Evans? We should change our name to Bill Oddie as we have a lot of Goodies on hear. Who here hand on heart can say they've never forced themselves on a woman without consent, whether in jest or not.'
Wasn't he cleared ?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: CJ on June 22, 2017, 11:47:25 AM
If his legs have gone in the PL God knows how he'll cope with the games coming thicker and faster in the Championship - 6 games in the first 3 weeks of the season. It's just an all over bad idea.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Monty on June 22, 2017, 11:48:30 AM
We need to change our name to Southampton as we have a hell of a lot of saints for supporters. How many on here calling him all the name's under the sun can say with hand on heart they have never make a comment about the colour of somebodies skin colour or race whether in jest or not.

'People objecting to Ched Evans? We should change our name to Bill Oddie as we have a lot of Goodies on hear. Who here hand on heart can say they've never forced themselves on a woman without consent, whether in jest or not.'
Wasn't he cleared ?

Alright, whatever, replace him with Jimmy Saville or Tarquinius Superbus or whoever on earth you want. Point stands, no?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Chris Smith on June 22, 2017, 11:49:35 AM
Is this another bad decision in the long list of previous bad decisions  that have led to our Club heading  in  downward direction?

Possibly, but I am finding it difficult to be too bothered either way.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 22, 2017, 11:54:23 AM
So £100,000 per week and £2m promotion bonus.

Being reported as £60k with £2 promotion bonus in most places. 

If we get up it's worth it.

Those finances wouldn't be an issue if we got up.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 22, 2017, 11:55:13 AM
We need to change our name to Southampton as we have a hell of a lot of saints for supporters. How many on here calling him all the name's under the sun can say with hand on heart they have never make a comment about the colour of somebodies skin colour or race whether in jest or not.

'People objecting to Ched Evans? We should change our name to Bill Oddie as we have a lot of Goodies on hear. Who here hand on heart can say they've never forced themselves on a woman without consent, whether in jest or not.'
Wasn't he cleared ?

Alright, whatever, replace him with Jimmy Saville or Tarquinius Superbus or whoever on earth you want. Point stands, no?

At least if we are winning one-nil, we will be able to park the Superbus.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: boozey182 on June 22, 2017, 12:02:12 PM
I can't stand him either, but I think he'd certainly improve our chances of a return to the cash cow aka The Premier League. If Bruce decides he wants Terry, there's sod-all I can do or say to change his mind.

I'm not sure that's true, there's plenty we can do. If watching that shit play for Villa would lessen your enjoyment, then tell the club. The majority of people on here don't want him, so we need to make our voices heard.

Tweet Xia and Wyness:
https://twitter.com/Dr_TonyXia?s=09
https://twitter.com/retsub12?s=09

Phone the ticket office and ask about their season ticket refund policy. Email any contact at the club that you can find an email address for. We don't have to stand by and let this happen. If the club make a mistake, it's our job to let them know. We're Aston Villa and we're far too good for John Terry. No matter what division we're in.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 22, 2017, 12:04:06 PM
Maybe the rationale is that this signing will make it easier to attract other players by signing a name.
Maybe we will get first dibs on some of the talent comming through the youth system at Chelsea.

Do the views on here accurately represent the Villa Park faithful?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: manic-road on June 22, 2017, 12:04:56 PM
If he signs then time will tell whether it is a good signing or not. If SB thinks he will improve the defence then so be it.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cannock villa on June 22, 2017, 12:05:26 PM
We need to change our name to Southampton as we have a hell of a lot of saints for supporters. How many on here calling him all the name's under the sun can say with hand on heart they have never make a comment about the colour of somebodies skin colour or race whether in jest or not.

'People objecting to Ched Evans? We should change our name to Bill Oddie as we have a lot of Goodies on hear. Who here hand on heart can say they've never forced themselves on a woman without consent, whether in jest or not.'
Wasn't he cleared ?

Alright, whatever, replace him with Jimmy Saville or Tarquinius Superbus or whoever on earth you want. Point stands, no?
Well no the point doesn't stand. You were trying to be clever by bringing sexual predators into it and referring to someone who you thought had been convicted of rape when on appeal they were cleared.
I don't want us to sign Terry but that is purely down to football reasons, but my point was all the righteous on here are bringing up the race card, how many hands on heart can swear they have never made a stupid comment or even thought it.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: tomd2103 on June 22, 2017, 12:07:57 PM
We need to change our name to Southampton as we have a hell of a lot of saints for supporters. How many on here calling him all the name's under the sun can say with hand on heart they have never make a comment about the colour of somebodies skin colour or race whether in jest or not.

'People objecting to Ched Evans? We should change our name to Bill Oddie as we have a lot of Goodies on hear. Who here hand on heart can say they've never forced themselves on a woman without consent, whether in jest or not.'
Wasn't he cleared ?

Alright, whatever, replace him with Jimmy Saville or Tarquinius Superbus or whoever on earth you want. Point stands, no?

I think a lot of it comes down what, as a fan, you want your club to represent.  I went to watch someone I know play in a game last season against Plymouth and Luke McCormack was in goal for them.  I did find myself thinking that although his circumstances are wildly different  to those of John Terry, could I really support him if he was playing for Villa.

I'm not championing Terry's cause at all, but would the same be said of Ron Atkinson if he were to be appointed by the club in some capacity?   

It's still a no from me though. 
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Monty on June 22, 2017, 12:08:20 PM
And my point is that, just as most of us (I would hope) have never been sexual predators, most of us have never given out any racial abuse to anyone. The exact identity of said hypothetical predator who plays for Villa is, erm, not totally relevant.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 22, 2017, 12:24:28 PM
We need to change our name to Southampton as we have a hell of a lot of saints for supporters. How many on here calling him all the name's under the sun can say with hand on heart they have never make a comment about the colour of somebodies skin colour or race whether in jest or not.

'People objecting to Ched Evans? We should change our name to Bill Oddie as we have a lot of Goodies on hear. Who here hand on heart can say they've never forced themselves on a woman without consent, whether in jest or not.'
Wasn't he cleared ?

Alright, whatever, replace him with Jimmy Saville or Tarquinius Superbus or whoever on earth you want. Point stands, no?
Well no the point doesn't stand. You were trying to be clever by bringing sexual predators into it and referring to someone who you thought had been convicted of rape when on appeal they were cleared.
I don't want us to sign Terry but that is purely down to football reasons, but my point was all the righteous on here are bringing up the race card, how many hands on heart can swear they have never made a stupid comment or even thought it.

There's a difference between making, or thinking, "a stupid comment", and singling out someone for racial abuse.

I can honestly say, I've never called anyone "a fucking black c***". I think the vast majority of fans won't have done so either. Pretty much all of us would lose our job if we did.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on June 22, 2017, 12:42:46 PM
We need to change our name to Southampton as we have a hell of a lot of saints for supporters. How many on here calling him all the name's under the sun can say with hand on heart they have never make a comment about the colour of somebodies skin colour or race whether in jest or not.

'People objecting to Ched Evans? We should change our name to Bill Oddie as we have a lot of Goodies on hear. Who here hand on heart can say they've never forced themselves on a woman without consent, whether in jest or not.'
Wasn't he cleared ?

Alright, whatever, replace him with Jimmy Saville or Tarquinius Superbus or whoever on earth you want. Point stands, no?
Well no the point doesn't stand. You were trying to be clever by bringing sexual predators into it and referring to someone who you thought had been convicted of rape when on appeal they were cleared.
I don't want us to sign Terry but that is purely down to football reasons, but my point was all the righteous on here are bringing up the race card, how many hands on heart can swear they have never made a stupid comment or even thought it.

You weren't talking about stupid comments though, you were talking about racist ones. If "not racist" means righteous, then I'm a total righteous bastard. I've made loads of stupid comments. Never any racially abusive ones. It would appear you have.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: KevinGage on June 22, 2017, 12:50:20 PM
Come on, we've all donned KKK hoods at Halloween and terrorised the local community.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 22, 2017, 12:52:18 PM
I'm not going through this again. It was a scary ghost costume, honest!
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on June 22, 2017, 12:53:08 PM
For me, it is shameful if he is ever allowed to put on the Villa shirt.

I wouldn't boo him if he was here, but no way in any circumstances would I ever ever cheer or applaud him either.

Like all of us here I am Villa and always will be (51 years since my Dad took me to my first game).
I'm proud to be a Villa fan, I will always be proud to be a Villa fan. That is not to say that over those 51 years there haven't been times that pride gets a little knocked either with results or actions of the club, players or fans. However this would not be a little knock to my pride, it would be one almighty kick in the guts to it.

If the club I love sign John Terry I will consider it just about the most classless thing we have done since I started supporting the Villa and I will look forward to the day he is gone.   
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Mister E on June 22, 2017, 12:54:37 PM
Reports now saying he will give it two weeks before finalising any agreement with us, since there may be better / Prem offers to be considered.
We're a stalking horse ...
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: McGraths Dry Cleaning on June 22, 2017, 12:55:45 PM
If we do sign Terry is this a sign of weakness from Bruce? Trying to sign a "mate" to be a positive influence on the dressing room and a bone for the press to chew over instead of our progress? I only went to a few games last season but the team never struck me as being that "all together". I never see anyone on the pitch talking and organising people that much. Maybe that is why he thinks he is signing Terry along with some experience to stop the caving in when things go against us.

I think its a big gamble in a long line of gambles. Like many of them it could pay off well. Puts pressure on Bruce as well - don't think there will be much patience with him this season without some discernible improvement in the team.


Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Drummond on June 22, 2017, 01:01:20 PM
14 appearances last season for the Premier League Champions. Including 4 against opposition from lower leagues.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: The Charmer on June 22, 2017, 01:06:24 PM
Absolute No from me for all the reasons already stated.

The list is obviously pretty lengthy because, having read through them, we don't appear to have touched on leaving your flash motor in the Disabled Parking Bay.

Fucking Legend!
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: The Edge on June 22, 2017, 01:10:21 PM
Its going to happen isn't it? It just feels like a marquee signing that will cause more trouble than good.

Sign him up - I think Terry's All Gold.
Boom Boom
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: boozey182 on June 22, 2017, 01:12:10 PM
Absolute No from me for all the reasons already stated.

The list is obviously pretty lengthy because, having read through them, we don't appear to have touched on leaving your flash motor in the Disabled Parking Bay.

Fucking Legend!

To be fair, we're only on the twelfth page of why he's an unbearable dickhead.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cannock villa on June 22, 2017, 01:15:10 PM
We need to change our name to Southampton as we have a hell of a lot of saints for supporters. How many on here calling him all the name's under the sun can say with hand on heart they have never make a comment about the colour of somebodies skin colour or race whether in jest or not.

'People objecting to Ched Evans? We should change our name to Bill Oddie as we have a lot of Goodies on hear. Who here hand on heart can say they've never forced themselves on a woman without consent, whether in jest or not.'
Wasn't he cleared ?

Alright, whatever, replace him with Jimmy Saville or Tarquinius Superbus or whoever on earth you want. Point stands, no?
Well no the point doesn't stand. You were trying to be clever by bringing sexual predators into it and referring to someone who you thought had been convicted of rape when on appeal they were cleared.
I don't want us to sign Terry but that is purely down to football reasons, but my point was all the righteous on here are bringing up the race card, how many hands on heart can swear they have never made a stupid comment or even thought it.

You weren't talking about stupid comments though, you were talking about racist ones. If "not racist" means righteous, then I'm a total righteous bastard. I've made loads of stupid comments. Never any racially abusive ones. It would appear you have.
Why would you think that I would have appeared to make a racially abusive comment.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Monty on June 22, 2017, 01:20:36 PM
Well, 'How many on here calling him all the name's under the sun can say with hand on heart they have never make a comment about the colour of somebodies skin colour or race' seems to be a clue.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 22, 2017, 01:22:30 PM
Indeed, speaking personally I imagine you would only make a comment of that nature if you were at some level prejudice.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on June 22, 2017, 01:22:58 PM
We need to change our name to Southampton as we have a hell of a lot of saints for supporters. How many on here calling him all the name's under the sun can say with hand on heart they have never make a comment about the colour of somebodies skin colour or race whether in jest or not.

'People objecting to Ched Evans? We should change our name to Bill Oddie as we have a lot of Goodies on hear. Who here hand on heart can say they've never forced themselves on a woman without consent, whether in jest or not.'
Wasn't he cleared ?

Alright, whatever, replace him with Jimmy Saville or Tarquinius Superbus or whoever on earth you want. Point stands, no?
Well no the point doesn't stand. You were trying to be clever by bringing sexual predators into it and referring to someone who you thought had been convicted of rape when on appeal they were cleared.
I don't want us to sign Terry but that is purely down to football reasons, but my point was all the righteous on here are bringing up the race card, how many hands on heart can swear they have never made a stupid comment or even thought it.

You weren't talking about stupid comments though, you were talking about racist ones. If "not racist" means righteous, then I'm a total righteous bastard. I've made loads of stupid comments. Never any racially abusive ones. It would appear you have.
Why would you think that I would have appeared to make a racially abusive comment.

Why else would you be taking the "come on, we're all a little bit racist sometimes" line?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on June 22, 2017, 01:23:06 PM
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Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: tomd2103 on June 22, 2017, 01:28:10 PM
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A slightly less obscene take from Kevin Bridges:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t94-t3qYj9k (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t94-t3qYj9k)
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cannock villa on June 22, 2017, 01:28:46 PM
Well, 'How many on here calling him all the name's under the sun can say with hand on heart they have never make a comment about the colour of somebodies skin colour or race' seems to be a clue.
So you have never told an English man, Irish man and Scots man joke or as a kid held the corner of your eyes up and  spoke in an Chinese accent ?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 22, 2017, 01:31:12 PM
I hear you're a racist now, Father?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Monty on June 22, 2017, 01:31:56 PM
Well, 'How many on here calling him all the name's under the sun can say with hand on heart they have never make a comment about the colour of somebodies skin colour or race' seems to be a clue.
So you have never told an English man, Irish man and Scots man joke or as a kid held the corner of your eyes up and  spoke in an Chinese accent ?

Your first example isn't the same, your second example is weird, and you're missing the point - John Terry shouted racial abuse *at* a player. That's a bit different to a bad taste joke in private, don't you think?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: German James on June 22, 2017, 01:32:28 PM
Its going to happen isn't it? It just feels like a marquee signing that will cause more trouble than good.

Sign him up - I think Terry's All Gold.
Perhaps it was a slip of the tongue and he meant to call Anton Ferdinand "Black Magic".
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: auntiesledd on June 22, 2017, 01:33:09 PM
I can't stand him either, but I think he'd certainly improve our chances of a return to the cash cow aka The Premier League. If Bruce decides he wants Terry, there's sod-all I can do or say to change his mind.

I'm not sure that's true, there's plenty we can do. If watching that shit play for Villa would lessen your enjoyment, then tell the club. The majority of people on here don't want him, so we need to make our voices heard.

Tweet Xia and Wyness:
https://twitter.com/Dr_TonyXia?s=09
https://twitter.com/retsub12?s=09

Phone the ticket office and ask about their season ticket refund policy. Email any contact at the club that you can find an email address for. We don't have to stand by and let this happen. If the club make a mistake, it's our job to let them know. We're Aston Villa and we're far too good for John Terry. No matter what division we're in.

I have taken it upon myself to send emails & tweets to Dr Tony, KW & the club. It's made me feel better - having given my own opinion on Terry - but I honestly don't think it'll make a blind bit of difference now. I can only hope my pessimism proves to be completely unfounded.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cannock villa on June 22, 2017, 01:36:32 PM
Well, 'How many on here calling him all the name's under the sun can say with hand on heart they have never make a comment about the colour of somebodies skin colour or race' seems to be a clue.
So you have never told an English man, Irish man and Scots man joke or as a kid held the corner of your eyes up and  spoke in an Chinese accent ?

Your first example isn't the same, your second example is weird, and you're missing the point - John Terry shouted racial abuse *at* a player. That's a bit different to a bad taste joke in private, don't you think?
Different yes but they are still examples of racial undertones which most people have been guilty of. And you didn't answer the question of whether you have said any of these in the past.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Ads on June 22, 2017, 01:37:36 PM
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Two odious c***s don't make a right.

And returning your season ticket, oh get a grip.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 22, 2017, 01:37:40 PM
Could someone list relevant email addresses for those of us not on Twitter?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Monty on June 22, 2017, 01:37:49 PM
To be honest I don't remember if I did anything like that as a kid, but I hope I didn't have that unbelievably lame a sense of humour.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 22, 2017, 01:38:36 PM
Well, 'How many on here calling him all the name's under the sun can say with hand on heart they have never make a comment about the colour of somebodies skin colour or race' seems to be a clue.
So you have never told an English man, Irish man and Scots man joke or as a kid held the corner of your eyes up and  spoke in an Chinese accent ?

Your first example isn't the same, your second example is weird, and you're missing the point - John Terry shouted racial abuse *at* a player. That's a bit different to a bad taste joke in private, don't you think?
Different yes but they are still examples of racial undertones which most people have been guilty of. And you didn't answer the question of whether you have said any of these in the past.

Simple question, is it acceptable to call a black person a "fucking black ******"?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Can Gana Be Bettered!?!? on June 22, 2017, 01:41:04 PM
This would really put me off going to Villa Park next season.

Do we not have any kind of principles or ethics?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cannock villa on June 22, 2017, 01:45:45 PM
Well, 'How many on here calling him all the name's under the sun can say with hand on heart they have never make a comment about the colour of somebodies skin colour or race' seems to be a clue.
So you have never told an English man, Irish man and Scots man joke or as a kid held the corner of your eyes up and  spoke in an Chinese accent ?

Your first example isn't the same, your second example is weird, and you're missing the point - John Terry shouted racial abuse *at* a player. That's a bit different to a bad taste joke in private, don't you think?
Different yes but they are still examples of racial undertones which most people have been guilty of. And you didn't answer the question of whether you have said any of these in the past.

Simple question, is it acceptable to call a black person a "fucking black c***"?
No its not and I never have. Unlike Monty, have you the balls to any my question ?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: German James on June 22, 2017, 01:48:02 PM
I'm wouldn't dream of defending Terry. He's an odious, racist piece of shit, but it strikes me you can't pick and choose: Ron Atkinson called Desailly worse in my opinion and yet there are still regular threads dedicated to him on here.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: KevinGage on June 22, 2017, 01:48:48 PM
You daft racist.  Monty has answered it.  Keep digging though.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 22, 2017, 01:50:26 PM
I've probably made jokes about Englishmen, Scotsmen and Irishmen and may have done the not very hilarious "slanty eyes" impression as a child, when I didn't know better. I haven't as an adult.

Not sure of the relevance though.

As an adult, had John Terry done the things you mentioned it would still be fairly pathetic, but not as bad as what he did.

What he did was call a black fellow professional "a fucking black ******".

So you either think that's acceptable, or you don't. If it's the latter, surely you wouldn't want us associated with someone who behaved in such a manner?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cannock villa on June 22, 2017, 01:51:17 PM
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So to clarify, calling someone a black c***s is bad, saying if you had AIDs you would wank into somebodys mouth in a burns ward is good.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 22, 2017, 01:53:05 PM
Fucking Hell.

Congratulations on winning Whataboutery of the Year Award.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cannock villa on June 22, 2017, 01:53:54 PM
You daft racist.  Monty has answered it.  Keep digging though.
You answer the question then my friend
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: KevinGage on June 22, 2017, 01:57:13 PM
I'm wouldn't dream of defending Terry. He's an odious, racist piece of shit, but it strikes me you can't pick and choose: Ron Atkinson called Desailly worse in my opinion and yet there are still regular threads dedicated to him on here.

There's a bit of a difference though, aside from the age gap. 

Ron lost his lucrative TV job and couldn't realistically be considered for any high profile job at a football club again after his foot in mouth incident.  We can look back at his time managing us with great affection, the idiocy of what he did in 2004 doesn't lesson those achievements.

He still couldn't be considered for a serious role at our club or any similar one, the shitstorm would just be too much.

Terry's employment continued for Chelsea (well he's no different to a fair portion of their fans, so why sack him?) and now we are looking to throw more money his way even after his very public phuck up.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: boozey182 on June 22, 2017, 01:58:52 PM
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Two odious c***s don't make a right.

And returning your season ticket, oh get a grip.

I fully appreciate and understand the position of holding your nose and getting behind him and the team. I just feel like it would cross a line to a place that I cannot support. You have said yourself that he's an odious c**t, even if you don't feel the same, surely you can understand why people wouldn't want to watch him play and support a club that employs him?

To support and contribute to the wages of that man would make me an almighty hypocrite, and I'm not willing to do that. Even for Villa.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Ads on June 22, 2017, 02:00:33 PM
See you in August.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on June 22, 2017, 02:00:57 PM
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So to clarify, calling someone a black c***s is bad, saying if you had AIDs you would wank into somebodys mouth in a burns ward is good.

It's not about being good, it's about being racially abusive, which this isn't. You're really struggling with this, aren't you? Something you want to tell us? You seem keen to hear tales of racism from others, why not share yours? Or don't you have the balls?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: German James on June 22, 2017, 02:03:38 PM
See you in August.
I thought it was "see you next Tuesday"?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: MoetVillan on June 22, 2017, 02:07:07 PM
Im finding it a tough one.  In all my time following my club, I cant recall us signing a player that I really didn't like them.  I can think of many that I was nervous about signing due to their apparent (lack of) skill level in my eyes.  Marlon Harewood etc.  JT is the other way, he is a great player.  Lots of comments about his age and legs, Terry has never been blessed with pace, so its down to how he reads the game, which he has done very well.  And in the Chumpionship he wont be against so many extreme pace strikers.  He also knows how to score from corners.  I remember we used to do that, about 15 years ago.

Its just him I cant abide, and I just couldn't ever see myself clapping him on to the pitch, or being pleased he scored.  I just cant think of another Villa player I would put in this bucket.


Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Mossie Hennebry on June 22, 2017, 02:08:49 PM
He is a divisive character at a time when we need leaders.

I would file this decision in the same shit bucket that Tony's Tweets come from.

A fucking joke of a football club.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on June 22, 2017, 02:12:42 PM
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HEROES

& villain
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Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: KevinGage on June 22, 2017, 02:14:56 PM
You daft racist.  Monty has answered it.  Keep digging though.
You answer the question then my friend

I'm not in the habit of abusing ethnic minorities, either in public or hurling racist abuse at the TV in the privacy of my own home.  Or having imaginary arguments with them, for that matter.  So maybe I'm the odd one in this situation, I accept that.

If I was a mad racist, I'd hope I still had just enough cop on to not demonstrate my ignorance to the world by dishing out racist insults during a live football match I was playing in, with a potential TV audience across the globe.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Ads on June 22, 2017, 02:15:37 PM
Show us the picture where they are saluting or running past "Darkie" our mascot.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: boozey182 on June 22, 2017, 02:16:24 PM
See you in August.

Ah! You got me. I'll be the one in the 'F*****g Black C**t" t-shirt carrying a crudely made papier-mache depiction of a plane going in to the World Trade Cente. Damn my online moral persona which is impossible to uphold in real life!
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 22, 2017, 02:18:47 PM
Show us the picture where they are saluting or running past "Darkie" our mascot.

Jesus. You've gone full Small Heath. What the fuck?

In any case, you've got completely the wrong era.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Ads on June 22, 2017, 02:19:29 PM
Yep damn your empty words. Do you follow us away? I reckon you'll moan more that the fuckers have put Sunderland away on a Tuesday night than England's Brave John Terry.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Pat McMahon on June 22, 2017, 02:24:10 PM
Was Terry found guilty of the racist comments? I truly can't recall the result of the investigation as i was living in China and a lot of the detail passed me by. Did he get a ban or a fine? I do recall him losing the England captaincy and Capello throwing a wobbler

Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 22, 2017, 02:24:40 PM
I go away occasionally. Are you trying to steal the Cannock poster's Whataboutery Title?

Trying to undermine Villa players who refused to give the Nazi salute is the reason why I would never buy the Sunday Mercury. Having a go at that is the lowest of the low among Small Heath fans, let alone Villa supporters.

I really can't see why you are struggling with the idea that some of us don't want to sign a racist?

Oh, and, you've gone full Small Heath. "Get a grip".
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Ads on June 22, 2017, 02:25:23 PM
Show us the picture where they are saluting or running past "Darkie" our mascot.

Jesus. You've gone full Small Heath. What the fuck?

In any case, you've got completely the wrong era.

Full Rags Mahone actually. I'm not going to be embarrassed that we had a load of racists following us or playing for us in the 50s, which is more the point what particular decade the image was snapped.

We've had some lamentable characters play for us. Collymore isn't the only one to have beat up his partner, although the other is far more popular amongst those who watched us in the 70s.

Terry is a wanker. I don't care, I'll never meet him, never work with him and if he plays at Burton away, that's as close a proximity as I will have to him. If he gets us up, grand. I'll be happier for it.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 22, 2017, 02:26:19 PM
Was Terry found guilty of the racist comments? I truly can't recall the result of the investigation as i was living in China and a lot of the detail passed me by. Did he get a ban or a fine? I do recall him losing the England captaincy and Capello throwing a wobbler

He was found guilty by the FA and banned for four games.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Ads on June 22, 2017, 02:27:35 PM
I wasn't addressing you. I'm not sure what you mean by Whataboutary. You old un's and your internet spyk and memes.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: boozey182 on June 22, 2017, 02:30:34 PM
Yep damn your empty words. Do you follow us away? I reckon you'll moan more that the fuckers have put Sunderland away on a Tuesday night than England's Brave John Terry.

I reckon you're wrong, but I don't think we're going to reach a meaningful conclusion here and we already seem to be heading down a childish route, which is probably my fault, so I apologise.

For the record, I sincerely hope we don't sign him, but can understand people that do. I don't expect anyone to refuse to because of him, it's just my choice. Good luck to anyone that gets fully behind the team despite of their feelings for him, I genuinely admire that level of loyalty.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on June 22, 2017, 02:31:28 PM
Was Terry found guilty of the racist comments? I truly can't recall the result of the investigation as i was living in China and a lot of the detail passed me by. Did he get a ban or a fine? I do recall him losing the England captaincy and Capello throwing a wobbler



1/4 of a million quid fine and a 4 match ban. I mean a week's wages and a 4 game ban...
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: tomd2103 on June 22, 2017, 02:33:01 PM
He is a divisive character at a time when we need leaders.

I would file this decision in the same shit bucket that Tony's Tweets come from.

A fucking joke of a football club.

Nose or Stripey?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Ads on June 22, 2017, 02:33:19 PM
Although they concluded he wasn't racist as well.

The man is a bell end, but a bell end has a use (If you like crude metaphors).
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cannock villa on June 22, 2017, 02:35:34 PM
You daft racist.  Monty has answered it.  Keep digging though.
You answer the question then my friend

I'm not in the habit of abusing ethnic minorities, either in public or hurling racist abuse at the TV in the privacy of my own home.  Or having imaginary arguments with them, for that matter.  So maybe I'm the odd one in this situation, I accept that.

If I was a mad racist, I'd hope I still had just enough cop on to not demonstrate my ignorance to the world by dishing out racist insults during a live football match I was playing in, with a potential TV audience across the globe.
Not racist just narrow minded calling people you have never met daft racists
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Pat McMahon on June 22, 2017, 02:37:11 PM
Was Terry found guilty of the racist comments? I truly can't recall the result of the investigation as i was living in China and a lot of the detail passed me by. Did he get a ban or a fine? I do recall him losing the England captaincy and Capello throwing a wobbler

He was found guilty by the FA and banned for four games.

Cheers CD. Just managed to google this after your reply (cant believe it was 6 years ago) and saw he was acquiited in court - i didnt even remember it had gone to court.

My only recollection of the case was his claim that the words he used were " i did not call you a xxxxxxx".
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on June 22, 2017, 02:48:26 PM
Show us the picture where they are saluting or running past "Darkie" our mascot.

I think both have to be put into historic context.

The darkie mascot picture was from the 1950s and at worst was being misguided in the same way as Golliwogs and the Black & White Minstrels. Should players have objected to it being racist ? Maybe, but I doubt it would have even occurred to them in the climate of 1950s Britain.

The historic context of the 1938 picture is players refusing to salute a racist tyrant in front of 110,000 of his own countrymen. At that time Germany had already entered Austria with dire consequences for the jewish population there as well as at home, they had explictly stated they intended to destroy Czechoslovakia by miltary force and were about to expel thousands of Polish born jews from Germany.

If you are going to take one stand, do you want it against a white bloke dressed up as a black man outside the players tunnel or a dictator who was ultimately responsible for the death of 6million jews ?

Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Mossie Hennebry on June 22, 2017, 02:55:46 PM
He is a divisive character at a time when we need leaders.

I would file this decision in the same shit bucket that Tony's Tweets come from.

A fucking joke of a football club.

Nose or Stripey?

Neither.

Everytime the chairman tweets his hieroglyphics, my heart sinks a little bit. This decision to offer a has-been a load of cash is having the same effect. We are stumbling from one baffling decision to the next and have been for years. For me, we don't appear to be behaving like a well-run football club, more of a joke.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Ads on June 22, 2017, 02:56:38 PM
Context is key, I wouldn't disagree.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 22, 2017, 03:00:38 PM
The context here is that we don't live in a World where "Darky", or the Black and White Minstrel Show are acceptable.

We are a million miles away from a World where calling a fellow professional a "fucking black ******" is okay.

Terry knew exactly what he was doing, and doesn't have the excuse of youth, or that what he was doing was "of its time".

He sets a bad example and may alienate fans in our great, multicultural city. We shouldn't be touching him with a fucking bargepole.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cannock villa on June 22, 2017, 03:01:19 PM
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So to clarify, calling someone a black c***s is bad, saying if you had AIDs you would wank into somebodys mouth in a burns ward is good.

It's not about being good, it's about being racially abusive, which this isn't. You're really struggling with this, aren't you? Something you want to tell us? You seem keen to hear tales of racism from others, why not share yours? Or don't you have the balls?
Of course the quote isn't racially abusive, just morally abusive. What is it that i'm struggling with, calling out people who on one hand are outraged that we might be signing a perceived racist (even through he was found not guilty in a court of law) then have at some point in their lives have made comments or jokes against other races or colours.
I'm afraid to say I haven't got any tales of racism to enthral you with. I've worked with many nationalities and colours down the pit, again many others at Rover and Land Rover and never had any issues.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: KevinGage on June 22, 2017, 03:01:43 PM
I already have minimal enthusiasm for this signing (as you might have guessed).

But if it's true that the sugarbag intends to wait for two weeks to see if he gets any offers from top flight clubs we really should nip this one in the bud now.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: itbrvilla on June 22, 2017, 03:08:20 PM
He is a divisive character at a time when we need leaders.

I would file this decision in the same shit bucket that Tony's Tweets come from.

A fucking joke of a football club.

Nose or Stripey?
He's not wrong.  We never fucking learn and this repeated process has destroyed us as a remotely competitive football club.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: tomd2103 on June 22, 2017, 03:10:40 PM
He is a divisive character at a time when we need leaders.

I would file this decision in the same shit bucket that Tony's Tweets come from.

A fucking joke of a football club.

Nose or Stripey?
He's not wrong.  We never fucking learn and this repeated process has destroyed us as a remotely competitive football club.

Terry hasn't signed yet.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Mossie Hennebry on June 22, 2017, 03:15:37 PM
He is a divisive character at a time when we need leaders.

I would file this decision in the same shit bucket that Tony's Tweets come from.

A fucking joke of a football club.

Nose or Stripey?
He's not wrong.  We never fucking learn and this repeated process has destroyed us as a remotely competitive football club.

Terry hasn't signed yet.

He's been offered a contract, therefore it is clear that the behaviour of the club hasn't changed.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on June 22, 2017, 03:17:56 PM
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So to clarify, calling someone a black c***s is bad, saying if you had AIDs you would wank into somebodys mouth in a burns ward is good.

It's not about being good, it's about being racially abusive, which this isn't. You're really struggling with this, aren't you? Something you want to tell us? You seem keen to hear tales of racism from others, why not share yours? Or don't you have the balls?
Of course the quote isn't racially abusive, just morally abusive. What is it that i'm struggling with, calling out people who on one hand are outraged that we might be signing a perceived racist (even through he was found not guilty in a court of law) then have at some point in their lives have made comments or jokes against other races or colours.
I'm afraid to say I haven't got any tales of racism to enthral you with. I've worked with many nationalities and colours down the pit, again many others at Rover and Land Rover and never had any issues.

Drivel.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cannock villa on June 22, 2017, 03:26:44 PM
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So to clarify, calling someone a black c***s is bad, saying if you had AIDs you would wank into somebodys mouth in a burns ward is good.

It's not about being good, it's about being racially abusive, which this isn't. You're really struggling with this, aren't you? Something you want to tell us? You seem keen to hear tales of racism from others, why not share yours? Or don't you have the balls?
Of course the quote isn't racially abusive, just morally abusive. What is it that i'm struggling with, calling out people who on one hand are outraged that we might be signing a perceived racist (even through he was found not guilty in a court of law) then have at some point in their lives have made comments or jokes against other races or colours.
I'm afraid to say I haven't got any tales of racism to enthral you with. I've worked with many nationalities and colours down the pit, again many others at Rover and Land Rover and never had any issues.

Drivel.
Then you carry on being outraged Oh High and Mightly.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on June 22, 2017, 03:29:48 PM
I think you mean "mighty".
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 22, 2017, 03:30:04 PM
And you carry on defending him if you want to, it's the whole point of debating on a forum, but without snide comments like that if you want to carry on doing it here.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Ads on June 22, 2017, 03:30:29 PM
It cannot be argued that what Terry said was abhorrent. Ferdinand should have chinned him. I think this argument is getting daft.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: MoetVillan on June 22, 2017, 03:38:06 PM
Chinned him? Nice progressive way to move forward.  Perfect example for kids too
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Tuscans on June 22, 2017, 03:39:36 PM
I don't care, I have debts!
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: saunders_heroes on June 22, 2017, 03:41:44 PM
It cannot be argued that what Terry said was abhorrent. Ferdinand should have chinned him. I think this argument is getting daft.

Ferdinand is a twat as well.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: tomd2103 on June 22, 2017, 03:42:23 PM
He is a divisive character at a time when we need leaders.

I would file this decision in the same shit bucket that Tony's Tweets come from.

A fucking joke of a football club.

Nose or Stripey?
He's not wrong.  We never fucking learn and this repeated process has destroyed us as a remotely competitive football club.

Terry hasn't signed yet.

He's been offered a contract, therefore it is clear that the behaviour of the club hasn't changed.

True, but if he doesn't sign then it's a non-issue surely?  As for a 'repeated process', I'd have to disagree on that as well, as it doesn't seem that we have had any kind of process over the last few years, let alone one that has been repeated.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 22, 2017, 03:53:09 PM
Just had a look and he played 90 minutes 5 times last season in the league, once after September. Plus 90 mins twice in the FAC and once in the LC. That's why I don't buy into him automatically massively improving us, or being the best defender in the division etc, and certainly not now he's another year older. What's it based on, the Terry of x years ago? I'm assuming it isn't based on the Terry of last season?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Dave on June 22, 2017, 03:53:27 PM
It cannot be argued that what Terry said was abhorrent. Ferdinand should have chinned him. I think this argument is getting daft.

Ferdinand is a twat as well.

Quite possibly, but I'm not sure what he's done wrong in the case of the Terry accusations.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: tomd2103 on June 22, 2017, 03:55:40 PM
Chinned him? Nice progressive way to move forward.  Perfect example for kids too

Unfortunately came across a couple of similar incidents when I used to play, though thankfully never from lads on my own team.  On each occasion, the person who came out with it played on team alongside black players, which is something I really couldn't understand.  One occasion involved a black player abusing a mixed race lad, calling him a "diluted n****r" which was a bit bizarre.   

 
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Chris Jameson on June 22, 2017, 04:03:52 PM
I hope this is fake news. #Sad
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 22, 2017, 04:08:23 PM
Who knew that a black man would be found as an example of someone acting in a racist way?!
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 22, 2017, 04:08:47 PM
Just had a look and he played 90 minutes 5 times last season in the league, once after September. Plus 90 mins twice in the FAC and once in the LC. That's why I don't buy into him automatically massively improving us, or being the best defender in the division etc, and certainly not now he's another year older. What's it based on, the Terry of x years ago? I'm assuming it isn't based on the Terry of last season?

It seems to be based on exactly the same logic that saw us buy Schmeichel, Richards and Lescott, except that they had been playing more regularly than him prior to signing for us.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Damo70 on June 22, 2017, 04:23:13 PM
Dave Mackey was 33 and had broken his leg twice at Spurs before he captained Brian Clough's Derby to promotion to the top flight.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Nev on June 22, 2017, 04:25:58 PM
Dave Mackey was 33 and had broken his leg twice at Spurs before he captained Brian Clough's Derby to promotion to the top flight.

I think the Brian Clough bit is the most important here.

Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 22, 2017, 04:29:57 PM
I think that it being nearly 50 years ago is the most important bit.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Brend'Watkins on June 22, 2017, 04:30:21 PM
Just had a look and he played 90 minutes 5 times last season in the league, once after September. Plus 90 mins twice in the FAC and once in the LC. That's why I don't buy into him automatically massively improving us, or being the best defender in the division etc, and certainly not now he's another year older. What's it based on, the Terry of x years ago? I'm assuming it isn't based on the Terry of last season?

It seems to be based on exactly the same logic that saw us buy Schmeichel, Richards and Lescott, except that they had been playing more regularly than him prior to signing for us.

But it doesn't if you account for the fact that Bruce was a top defender in his day and like Terry with little pace.  I'm sure he knows Terry better than any of the rest of us and will know what he can still do for another season if he manages to stay injury free. The same sort of knowledge can't be attributed to Richards and the Lescott signings.  The Schmichael one wasn't that bad anyway.

I look at it this way putting all the non football stuff to one side...

To play alongside Chester, would you prefer Baker who is a sort of improving player at this level who has awful distribution, frequently is caught out of position and is injury prone, or Terry, although not at his peak is a much better distributor and overall footballer certainly good enough for this league and brings a wealth of organisation/leadership attributes something we have lacked for years, but, is also injury prone?   
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: eamonn on June 22, 2017, 04:34:00 PM
Just had a look and he played 90 minutes 5 times last season in the league, once after September. Plus 90 mins twice in the FAC and once in the LC. That's why I don't buy into him automatically massively improving us, or being the best defender in the division etc, and certainly not now he's another year older. What's it based on, the Terry of x years ago? I'm assuming it isn't based on the Terry of last season?

It seems to be based on exactly the same logic that saw us buy Schmeichel, Richards and Lescott, except that they had been playing more regularly than him prior to signing for us.

The difference being Terry had the two best centre backs in the country keeping him out of the team. And now he'd be coming to a level lower against forwards some of whom might do him for pace but very few for nous. I imagine we'd get a few more decisions going our way too, the refs would fawn over him a bit more than ''Mad Tom''. 

I don't like the bloke but if he is fit to play 30+ games next season I think he could make a real difference in galvanizing a bunch of team-mate who often look like they are playing within themselves. Short-term gritted teeth, longer-term satisfaction.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Damo70 on June 22, 2017, 04:35:43 PM
I think that it being nearly 50 years ago is the most important bit.


I'm a great believer in the first couple of yards is in your head/ down to your footballing brain. I would never say Paul McGrath was the fastest defender I have ever seen but he was bloody good at snuffing out danger.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 22, 2017, 04:40:14 PM
Again, what is him being "certainly good enough" based on? I'm not picking on you specifically Bren, but a number of other posters have said similar and say it as though it's fact. Strikes me it's based on the Terry of a few years ago rather than the Terry we'd be getting.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Damo70 on June 22, 2017, 04:41:08 PM
On the subject of Paul McGrath, he was 'finished' at the age of 29 apparently. I think one or two Villa fans who watched him play home and away for several years after that may disagree with that slightly. Possibly a few Irish people would also disagree.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on June 22, 2017, 04:43:17 PM
Being a full kit wanker is the least of his poor qualities and misdemeanours in my view. I might be an old cynic but I don't accept that 'not guilty' means 'didn't do it' in every instance - starting with the assault charge with Jody Morris.

And if there are people who think we should hold our noses and accept the baggage for what he brings to the team ... then I am even more at odds with your opinion (which you are perfectly entitled to).

As a player to improve us and be available regularly, I think he is a very big gamble for a lot of money. We've tried and failed with that approach before.

If rumours are accurate, our competition for Terry is Small Heath or the Tesco Carriers - and that says a lot. Either of them are welcome to add to his pension.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 22, 2017, 04:43:39 PM
I think that it being nearly 50 years ago is the most important bit.

I'm a great believer in the first couple of yards is in your head/ down to your footballing brain. I would never say Paul McGrath was the fastest defender I have ever seen but he was bloody good at snuffing out danger.

And at 37 McGrath was all but finished considering he retired when he was 37. Dave Mackay also retired at 37.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 22, 2017, 04:48:54 PM
I already have minimal enthusiasm for this signing (as you might have guessed).

But if it's true that the sugarbag intends to wait for two weeks to see if he gets any offers from top flight clubs we really should nip this one in the bud now.

He's a free agent. Why shouldn't he wait to see all the offers?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: KevinGage on June 22, 2017, 04:49:26 PM
Indeed. 

Nigel Spink was roughly that age when he went to the Olbiyun at the tail end of his career. 

Even the stripeyfilth weren't daft/smalltime enough to herald it as some breakthrough signing, prising a league and European Cup winner off the Villa.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Damo70 on June 22, 2017, 04:50:02 PM
Personally I think it is 'worth a punt' for a year. It is great how the likes of Lambert, Sherwood and Wilkins are so vocal and have so many opinions about our club. Maybe if any of them had had so many great ideas when they were at the club we would still be a top flight club.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: KevinGage on June 22, 2017, 04:59:26 PM
I already have minimal enthusiasm for this signing (as you might have guessed).

But if it's true that the sugarbag intends to wait for two weeks to see if he gets any offers from top flight clubs we really should nip this one in the bud now.

He's a free agent. Why shouldn't he wait to see all the offers?

Because it smacks of "suppose I'll kill some time at Villa if nothing better comes along."

Which is a bit different to having loads of offers but seemingly being fired up at the challenging prospect of getting us back to the topflight. 

Other clubs will have known his situation for a while so if he is just using our interest as leverage, I'd hope the powers that be might be cute enough to know that and back out.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: brian green on June 22, 2017, 05:11:34 PM
My son who has seen this coming from a long way off believes we are only a stalking horse.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on June 22, 2017, 05:14:39 PM
Personally I think it is 'worth a punt' for a year. It is great how the likes of Lambert, Sherwood and Wilkins are so vocal and have so many opinions about our club. Maybe if any of them had had so many great ideas when they were at the club we would still be a top flight club.

That's one view. Personally I think the damage to our reputation, the prospect of him actually making a sufficient contribution as a player (and around the club) and the availability of other options mean it is big 'no thanks'.

Too much that could go wrong for not enough certainty that it might work - so not a 'punt' I want us to make. Not least because it will take a big chunk of the available funds to strength the squad. It will also be Bruce's solution to a much-needed CB recruit. So if Terry doesn't work as a gamble then we are left with the injury-prone Baker and the hapless Elphick.

Plus, with Terry in the side it might cost us the quiet and calm assurance of Chester ... in fact the more I think about this idea, the less I like it and I hated it to begin with.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Dave on June 22, 2017, 05:15:57 PM
On the subject of Paul McGrath, he was 'finished' at the age of 29 apparently. I think one or two Villa fans who watched him play home and away for several years after that may disagree with that slightly. Possibly a few Irish people would also disagree.

If we were signing a 29 year old John Terry then I imagine there would be fewer complaints.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: wittonwarrior on June 22, 2017, 05:18:06 PM
One month of the John terry show would do my sweet in but a whole season

No means sure that he would be effective anyway
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Hopadop on June 22, 2017, 05:33:12 PM
The real world's all about compromises. And in the real world I'd probably want the likes of John Terry on my side rather than against me.

But the great thing about football is it doesn't matter that much, so I can very happily do without him making my world that little bit more toxic.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Ad@m on June 22, 2017, 05:42:13 PM
My son who has seen this coming from a long way off believes we are only a stalking horse.

This.

John Terry, former Chelsea and England captain, will command a ridiculous wage in either the US or China, where they won't give a shit about the fact he's an absolute scumbag, from a family of scumbags.

Why on earth would he want to play in the 2nd division on a fraction of what he was paid last year and could get anywhere else?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: KevinGage on June 22, 2017, 05:48:37 PM
He doesn't strike me as the adventurous sort.   USA?  Maybe. 

Far more likely is that his agent will say to either Bournemouth or Swansea "Villa have offered him £60k per week + add ons. He will sign for you if you make it a straight £75k."

Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: supertom on June 22, 2017, 06:02:54 PM
He wants a nice semi-retirement jobby. I don't want that to be us. And this is before even considering what an orrible bastard he is.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: andyh on June 22, 2017, 06:10:17 PM
My son who has seen this coming from a long way off believes we are only a stalking horse.

This.

John Terry, former Chelsea and England captain, will command a ridiculous wage in either the US or China, where they won't give a shit about the fact he's an absolute scumbag, from a family of scumbags.

Why on earth would he want to play in the 2nd division on a fraction of what he was paid last year and could get anywhere else?
Precisely, precisely, precisely !!
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: tony scott on June 22, 2017, 06:21:27 PM
Forget all the baggage he brings, will he play enough and be good enough for Us at sixty grand a week I don't think so, I thought the overall management of the club was improving. Imo this would be a huge setback.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: frank black on June 22, 2017, 06:39:38 PM
He's 37, been scaling back appearances, very expensive and a horrible person. What could possibly go wrong. 🤦‍♂️
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: KevinGage on June 22, 2017, 07:41:11 PM
With England Lionheart John Terry at the back, Downing on the wing and Tom Huddlestone in midfield we will be unstoppable.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on June 22, 2017, 07:43:32 PM
With England Lionheart John Terry at the back, Downing on the wing and Tom Huddlestone in midfield we will be unstoppable.

Dear god no.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: peter w on June 22, 2017, 08:08:30 PM
Well, 'How many on here calling him all the name's under the sun can say with hand on heart they have never make a comment about the colour of somebodies skin colour or race' seems to be a clue.
So you have never told an English man, Irish man and Scots man joke or as a kid held the corner of your eyes up and  spoke in an Chinese accent ?

Your first example isn't the same, your second example is weird, and you're missing the point - John Terry shouted racial abuse *at* a player. That's a bit different to a bad taste joke in private, don't you think?

Quite so, but what do you think of 'our racist' Big Ron?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Monty on June 22, 2017, 08:11:33 PM
Well, 'How many on here calling him all the name's under the sun can say with hand on heart they have never make a comment about the colour of somebodies skin colour or race' seems to be a clue.
So you have never told an English man, Irish man and Scots man joke or as a kid held the corner of your eyes up and  spoke in an Chinese accent ?

Your first example isn't the same, your second example is weird, and you're missing the point - John Terry shouted racial abuse *at* a player. That's a bit different to a bad taste joke in private, don't you think?

Quite so, but what do you think of 'our racist' Big Ron?

It wasn't shouting abuse, but it wasn't just a crude joke either. Really nasty. Sorry if that makes me a PC cuck triggered snowflake or whatever it is this week.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: peter w on June 22, 2017, 08:21:24 PM
I have no idea what that means. Do you have the same disregard and contempt for Atkinson as you do for Terry?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: peter w on June 22, 2017, 08:21:58 PM
As it is...I don't think he'll sign for us. He'll be off the the States.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Monty on June 22, 2017, 08:25:27 PM
I have no idea what that means. Do you have the same disregard and contempt for Atkinson as you do for Terry?

Not quite, but fairly close to be honest. I know this might be a minority opinion and I know he's from a different era etc etc, but by Christ what he said was disgusting.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 22, 2017, 08:39:31 PM
It's fairly unlikely, but I'd be pretty annoyed if we offered Big Ron some sort of job. What he did wasn't as bad as what Terry did. But it was very bad.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 22, 2017, 08:40:21 PM
As it is...I don't think he'll sign for us. He'll be off the the States.

You can get 25-1 on "Any MLS Club".
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 22, 2017, 09:08:14 PM
I have no idea what that means. Do you have the same disregard and contempt for Atkinson as you do for Terry?

Not quite, but fairly close to be honest. I know this might be a minority opinion and I know he's from a different era etc etc, but by Christ what he said was disgusting.

Agreed. And he could have won us the league and FA Cup and I'd still agree.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Lastfootstamper on June 22, 2017, 09:26:08 PM
For the life of me, I can't get my head around why he'd want to come to us. The only thing I can think of is that he wants some of what
Lampard got for scoring his billionth goal, as opposed to what he himself was on the end of on the same day.

I'd never dream of not watching the Villa because of who's stuffing the shirt, but I'd not be above spending every ninety minutes displaying a countenance of uncomfortable disbelief.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on June 22, 2017, 09:28:21 PM
For the life of me, I can't get my head around why he'd want to come to us. The only thing I can think of is that he wants some of what
Lampard got for scoring his billionth goal, as opposed to what he himself was on the end of on the same day.

I'd never dream of not watching the Villa because of who's stuffing the shirt, but I'd not be above spending every ninety minutes displaying a countenance of uncomfortable disbelief.

I would love to see that phrase on a banner :)
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: old man villa fan on June 22, 2017, 10:07:58 PM
Assuming that it is the manager's decision, Steve Bruce is p****** me off.  First bringing back GA and now JT.  Why not go for the hat-trick Steve and bring Richards back into the team.

I thought bringing back Agbonlahor for the Small Heath match turned out quite well, didn't you?

And what else did he do in the rest of the games he played.  £3m for one goal that Harry Redknapp's wife could have scored (until he ran her over).  Great example for young players at the club.

So I take it you didn't cheer that goal then, out of principle?

Of course I cheered the goal, I'm a Villa supporter.  That doesn't alter the point.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: saunders_heroes on June 22, 2017, 10:19:39 PM
Assuming that it is the manager's decision, Steve Bruce is p****** me off.  First bringing back GA and now JT.  Why not go for the hat-trick Steve and bring Richards back into the team.

I thought bringing back Agbonlahor for the Small Heath match turned out quite well, didn't you?

And what else did he do in the rest of the games he played.  £3m for one goal that Harry Redknapp's wife could have scored (until he ran her over).  Great example for young players at the club.

So I take it you didn't cheer that goal then, out of principle?

Of course I cheered the goal, I'm a Villa supporter.  That doesn't alter the point.

But you criticised the manager for bringing back Gabby yet you cheered when he scored the winning goal. It just doesn't add up.
As for Terry, personally I think people can say racist comments but it doesn't necessarily mean you're a racist. If he were such a disgusting racist then why didn't the black players at Chelsea seem to have a problem with him? It may have been a personal thing between the Ferdinands and Terry that was blown out of proportion. I've never liked Terry but he's a winner and we could do with one of those. Ron Atkinson said something horribly racist but I don't think he's a racist either and the incident didn't make me change my respect for him. I'm sure we've all said things in the heat of the moment that we later regret.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: boozey182 on June 22, 2017, 10:24:18 PM
Could someone list relevant email addresses for those of us not on Twitter?

I have found, from this site in 2014, that Lee Preece is the Supporter Liaison Officer and his e mail address is lee.preece@avfc.co.uk. I'm not sure if he's in the job still, but that could be a good place to start. The more emails that get sent, the more chance the club will listen to what they say. Hopefully...
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: andyh on June 22, 2017, 10:28:08 PM
"People can say racist comments but it doesn't necessary mean you're racist?"

What the holy fuck does that mean????

Do you just mean that casual racism is acceptable?
Or racist banter?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Ads on June 22, 2017, 10:30:24 PM
It means people say things they don't believe I would imagine.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: AV5nobs on June 22, 2017, 10:40:48 PM
It means people say things they don't believe I would imagine.

This.

I deplore rascist comments but 90% of people who make racist comments aren't actually rascist, they don't have the education to even begin to justify why they don't like a race they don't understand.

If Big Ron became involved with our club again in any shape or form there wouldn't be a murmur.

I don't like JT but if he can get us up welcome.

Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Nunkin1965 on June 22, 2017, 10:49:13 PM
Personally I'd have him in the side. In a footballing sense he'd improve us even at his age. An experienced player who might just help be the difference to us next season.

All of the other stuff? IMO if he puts a shift in and the side improves his past becomes less of an issue for supporters.

Football wise if we get the opportunity to sign him, can we really turn it down? Shouldn't we just move on and get on with it?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Dave on June 22, 2017, 11:02:31 PM
Assuming that it is the manager's decision, Steve Bruce is p****** me off.  First bringing back GA and now JT.  Why not go for the hat-trick Steve and bring Richards back into the team.

I thought bringing back Agbonlahor for the Small Heath match turned out quite well, didn't you?

And what else did he do in the rest of the games he played.  £3m for one goal that Harry Redknapp's wife could have scored (until he ran her over).  Great example for young players at the club.

So I take it you didn't cheer that goal then, out of principle?

Of course I cheered the goal, I'm a Villa supporter.  That doesn't alter the point.

But you criticised the manager for bringing back Gabby yet you cheered when he scored the winning goal. It just doesn't add up.

Just like you didn't cheer Westwood's equaliser against West Brom. Or Lowton's thirty yard volley to put us in the lead against Stoke. Or Bacuna's equaliser against Man City.

I mean, you criticised the manager for using all those players, so couldn't possibly have been happy when they did something that benefited the team.

It just doesn't add up...
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: saunders_heroes on June 22, 2017, 11:20:54 PM
Assuming that it is the manager's decision, Steve Bruce is p****** me off.  First bringing back GA and now JT.  Why not go for the hat-trick Steve and bring Richards back into the team.

I thought bringing back Agbonlahor for the Small Heath match turned out quite well, didn't you?

And what else did he do in the rest of the games he played.  £3m for one goal that Harry Redknapp's wife could have scored (until he ran her over).  Great example for young players at the club.

So I take it you didn't cheer that goal then, out of principle?

Of course I cheered the goal, I'm a Villa supporter.  That doesn't alter the point.

But you criticised the manager for bringing back Gabby yet you cheered when he scored the winning goal. It just doesn't add up.

Just like you didn't cheer Westwood's equaliser against West Brom. Or Lowton's thirty yard volley to put us in the lead against Stoke. Or Bacuna's equaliser against Man City.

I mean, you criticised the manager for using all those players, so couldn't possibly have been happy when they did something that benefited the team.

It just doesn't add up...

No, he criticised Bruce for recalling Gabby, that was after he won us the game. It doesn't just add up, it's fuckin bonkers.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 22, 2017, 11:28:36 PM
If you're going to notice the one performance where Gabby contributes something, you need to also notice the hundreds where he gives fuck all.

I agree with you on much, s_h, but I don't see how you can (rightly) criticise Lerner for being a not-giving-a-fuck arsehole but then defend the player who is the absolute poster boy of not-give-a-fuck-have-no-standards Aston Villa of the last few years.

If i had to sum up everything wrong with this club for the last five or six years in one picture, it'd be a photo of that fat ******.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: saunders_heroes on June 22, 2017, 11:34:11 PM
If you're going to notice the one performance where Gabby contributes something, you need to also notice the hundreds where he gives fuck all.

I agree with you on much, s_h, but I don't see how you can (rightly) criticise Lerner for being a not-giving-a-fuck arsehole but then defend the player who is the absolute poster boy of not-give-a-fuck-have-no-standards Aston Villa of the last few years.

If i had to sum up everything wrong with this club for the last five or six years in one picture, it'd be a photo of that fat c***.

Probably because he's scored 80+ goals for us which has been conveniently ignored by a large chunk of the support over the last few years. I admit he's fucked around way too often but Bruce said everyone was to be given a clean sheet when he arrived and I think Gabby deserves another shot. I thought he did well last season when he played but that injury he picked up set him back a bit. I'm give him another go next season too. He looks as fit as a fiddle.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: TonyD on June 22, 2017, 11:44:09 PM
If he does join then it won't be for the money as he would get more in China and US.  That would suggest his motivations are to continue play proper football. 
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: PeterWithe on June 22, 2017, 11:45:36 PM
So you have never told an English man, Irish man and Scots man joke or as a kid held the corner of your eyes up and  spoke in an Chinese accent ?

I have. I didn't get the job.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: The Edge on June 22, 2017, 11:50:57 PM
From what I have heard of him John Terry is someone who I would never associate myself with in normal everyday life. But this is football and not normal everyday life. It's  irrational. My football club is in real danger of becoming irrelevant in football if we don't haul ourselves back into the top flight. If our current manager believes John Terry can be the man to push us over the line then it's a price I'd be prepared to pay. Yes he's an arsehole but football is full of arseholes. I'd be prepared to live with it for the greater good of our beloved football club's future.
 
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 22, 2017, 11:52:10 PM
If you're going to notice the one performance where Gabby contributes something, you need to also notice the hundreds where he gives fuck all.

I agree with you on much, s_h, but I don't see how you can (rightly) criticise Lerner for being a not-giving-a-fuck arsehole but then defend the player who is the absolute poster boy of not-give-a-fuck-have-no-standards Aston Villa of the last few years.

If i had to sum up everything wrong with this club for the last five or six years in one picture, it'd be a photo of that fat c***.

Probably because he's scored 80+ goals for us which has been conveniently ignored by a large chunk of the support over the last few years. I admit he's fucked around way too often but Bruce said everyone was to be given a clean sheet when he arrived and I think Gabby deserves another shot. I thought he did well last season when he played but that injury he picked up set him back a bit. I'm give him another go next season too. He looks as fit as a fiddle.

80 goals over hoe many years?

16/17 - 1 goal
15/16 - 1 goal
14/15 - 6 goals
13/14 - 4 goals


12 goals in 4 seasons.

Yet I've seen you write off players who have demonstrated far more contribution than that.

That tally is utterly pathetic.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on June 22, 2017, 11:57:38 PM
And who can forget his 'finger to mouth' gesture after his herculean contribution during that one and only game against Norwich during the relegation season.  Don't you know he was due to go to Dubai that weekend!
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: RichardBatchelor on June 22, 2017, 11:58:37 PM
(https://m0.joe.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/19161225/LeIRmMM.png)

I don't like Terry, but this is pretty vile stuff tbh.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Damo70 on June 23, 2017, 12:00:04 AM
So you have never told an English man, Irish man and Scots man joke or as a kid held the corner of your eyes up and  spoke in an Chinese accent ?

I have. I didn't get the job.


I would never attempt to impersonate a Chinese person. Who on earth could possibly match Benny Hill's 'wonderful' Chinese impersonation from the seventies?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: paul_e on June 23, 2017, 12:04:39 AM
If you're going to notice the one performance where Gabby contributes something, you need to also notice the hundreds where he gives fuck all.

I agree with you on much, s_h, but I don't see how you can (rightly) criticise Lerner for being a not-giving-a-fuck arsehole but then defend the player who is the absolute poster boy of not-give-a-fuck-have-no-standards Aston Villa of the last few years.

If i had to sum up everything wrong with this club for the last five or six years in one picture, it'd be a photo of that fat c***.

Probably because he's scored 80+ goals for us which has been conveniently ignored by a large chunk of the support over the last few years. I admit he's fucked around way too often but Bruce said everyone was to be given a clean sheet when he arrived and I think Gabby deserves another shot. I thought he did well last season when he played but that injury he picked up set him back a bit. I'm give him another go next season too. He looks as fit as a fiddle.

80 goals over hoe many years?

16/17 - 1 goal
15/16 - 1 goal
14/15 - 6 goals
13/14 - 4 goals


12 goals in 4 seasons.

Yet I've seen you write off players who have demonstrated far more contribution than that.

That tally is utterly pathetic.


To make those numbers even more real the last 2 seasons he's played 31 games to contribute those 2 goals.  That's why people 'forget' his previous goals, it's because he's forgotten what he did to score them.  Pretty much any other club of our size would've fucked him off 2-3 years ago, maybe he doesn't deserve to be blamed for that but it doesn't stop him from having stolen a living out of us for years.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 23, 2017, 12:08:47 AM
Could someone list relevant email addresses for those of us not on Twitter?

I have found, from this site in 2014, that Lee Preece is the Supporter Liaison Officer and his e mail address is lee.preece@avfc.co.uk. I'm not sure if he's in the job still, but that could be a good place to start. The more emails that get sent, the more chance the club will listen to what they say. Hopefully...

Ta. Will send an email in the morning.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Damo70 on June 23, 2017, 12:12:26 AM
While I'm on the subject wasn't The Chinese Man the only bloke Henry McGhee  ever interviewed? Not exactly up there with Wogan and Parkinson.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on June 23, 2017, 12:15:10 AM
If you're going to notice the one performance where Gabby contributes something, you need to also notice the hundreds where he gives fuck all.

I agree with you on much, s_h, but I don't see how you can (rightly) criticise Lerner for being a not-giving-a-fuck arsehole but then defend the player who is the absolute poster boy of not-give-a-fuck-have-no-standards Aston Villa of the last few years.

If i had to sum up everything wrong with this club for the last five or six years in one picture, it'd be a photo of that fat c***.

Probably because he's scored 80+ goals for us which has been conveniently ignored by a large chunk of the support over the last few years. I admit he's fucked around way too often but Bruce said everyone was to be given a clean sheet when he arrived and I think Gabby deserves another shot. I thought he did well last season when he played but that injury he picked up set him back a bit. I'm give him another go next season too. He looks as fit as a fiddle.

It hasn't been conveniently ignored, it's been overshadowed by him sitting on his massive arse smoking his shisha pipe while his club went down the pan.

He looks fit as a fiddle does he? A professional footballer looks in good shape? How can we show our gratitude?!  I moot we sell the bastard to Aberdeen and make him run there.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 23, 2017, 12:16:33 AM
'Fun' fact. The last time Gabby had more goals than yellow cards in a season was 2012/13, which is the only time he's managed that in the last 6 seasons.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 23, 2017, 12:18:33 AM
So people who say racist things aren't really racist? So who is racist? Are we to sign people who groom children but aren't paedophiles also, just as long as they're 'winners'?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on June 23, 2017, 12:24:40 AM
I don't get that either. When it comes to identifying racists I always find their tendency to make racist comments is a big clue.

I also take issue with something mentioned earlier today, namely a racist comment made "in jest". How does that work? Surely that's like stabbing someone in jest. "Yes Officer, I hacked his head off with a machete, but it was only in jest, I'm not a murderer."
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 23, 2017, 12:31:59 AM
I don't get that either. When it comes to identifying racists I always find their tendency to make racist comments is a big clue.

I also take issue with something mentioned earlier today, namely a racist comment made "in jest". How does that work? Surely that's like stabbing someone in jest. "Yes Officer, I hacked his head off with a machete, but it was only in jest, I'm not a murderer."

Not a murderer in the sense that murderers are murderers.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: alftitimus on June 23, 2017, 12:32:38 AM
From Quora:

"..........
John Terry's career definitely has no shortage of controversy. Below I give you his rap sheet. Enjoy.

John Terry Career Rap Sheet:

Foung guilty and fined by Chelsea back in 2001, in the time of 9/11  attacks. Terry and some team mates reportedly mocked American tourists  outside the bar and threw food at them.
#1. Terry was banned from England National side in  2002 World Cup due to him proven guilty of assulting a night club  bouncer. Apperently Terry punched him in the face nad hit him with a  bottle and later claimed it was for self defence.
#2. Another incident him in the bar, he was seen  urinating in the glass at a local Essex nightclub and left it on the  floor. He claimed that because of injured toe he could not make it to  the washroom.
#3. Parked his Bentley in a Disabled area, fined a mere £60 for the charge.
#4. Terry came under fire after him along with Scot  Parker and Wayne Brige were reportedly betting on horses for over  £40,000 a week and professional footballers are not allowed to.
#5. 2004 season in Premier League started badly for  Terry, he was find £10,000 for inappropriate conduct. Allegedly he  racialy abused Tottenham player Ledly King and misbahved with match  referee Graham Poll.
#6. Terry Married Toni Pool his wife, but admitted  he cheated on here more than 8 to 10 times and in the mean time a  teenage girl Jenny Barker, revealed in the media that Terry cheated on  Toni Pool with her in the car park.
#7. John Terry took a bribe from a reporter for over  10000 GBP and let him take footage around the Chelsea training ground.  Chelsea found out and the fined him as he did the stuff without their  permission.
#8. Terry Mother and Mother in law were caught  shoplifting back in 2009 and that followed his father selling cocain to  an undercover police officer.
#9. Than came the biggest scandal of them all, Terry  had a four month fling with Wayne Brige (his team-mate at Chelsea at that point of time) Girlfriend and reportedly she  was pregnant and abort the baby and with the Incident Terry lost England  captaincy and was criticised so bad in the media over the next few  months.
#10. In October 2011 he alleged to have racially  abuse Anton Ferdinand (Rio Ferdinand brother) in the Premier League  game. Later found guilty and banned for a few games as well as he was  replaced as the captain in England team for the 2nd time in his career.
............. "

EDIT:
Rubbish spelling, but it was a 'cut-and-paste' quote, so I couldn't in fairness edit the content.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on June 23, 2017, 12:42:01 AM
I don't get that either. When it comes to identifying racists I always find their tendency to make racist comments is a big clue.

I also take issue with something mentioned earlier today, namely a racist comment made "in jest". How does that work? Surely that's like stabbing someone in jest. "Yes Officer, I hacked his head off with a machete, but it was only in jest, I'm not a murderer."

Not a murderer in the sense that murderers are murderers.

Exactly. Easy to get confused though. I had a bloke come round today to fix my toilet. He mucked about with a wrench in the cistern and it works now. Wasn't a plumber though. Just because he did some plumbing doesn't make him a plumber. It's all so complicated. I'm sure you've experienced similar.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: adrenachrome on June 23, 2017, 12:50:56 AM
In addition to the objections raised by most posters, I am concerned about  SB's strategy in offering the contract.

A lot of us think the current squad is more than capable of getting us promoted, but  Bruce started playing the card that the players bought in could not cope with the pressure. To me, that is an admission that he is unable to assemble a coaching team or the tactics necessary to do this.

It does not look good, in my view.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 23, 2017, 12:56:29 AM
From Quora:

"..........
John Terry's career definitely has no shortage of controversy. Below I give you his rap sheet. Enjoy.

John Terry Career Rap Sheet:

Foung guilty and fined by Chelsea back in 2001, in the time of 9/11  attacks. Terry and some team mates reportedly mocked American tourists  outside the bar and threw food at them.
#1. Terry was banned from England National side in  2002 World Cup due to him proven guilty of assulting a night club  bouncer. Apperently Terry punched him in the face nad hit him with a  bottle and later claimed it was for self defence.
#2. Another incident him in the bar, he was seen  urinating in the glass at a local Essex nightclub and left it on the  floor. He claimed that because of injured toe he could not make it to  the washroom.
#3. Parked his Bentley in a Disabled area, fined a mere £60 for the charge.
#4. Terry came under fire after him along with Scot  Parker and Wayne Brige were reportedly betting on horses for over  £40,000 a week and professional footballers are not allowed to.
#5. 2004 season in Premier League started badly for  Terry, he was find £10,000 for inappropriate conduct. Allegedly he  racialy abused Tottenham player Ledly King and misbahved with match  referee Graham Poll.
#6. Terry Married Toni Pool his wife, but admitted  he cheated on here more than 8 to 10 times and in the mean time a  teenage girl Jenny Barker, revealed in the media that Terry cheated on  Toni Pool with her in the car park.
#7. John Terry took a bribe from a reporter for over  10000 GBP and let him take footage around the Chelsea training ground.  Chelsea found out and the fined him as he did the stuff without their  permission.
#8. Terry Mother and Mother in law were caught  shoplifting back in 2009 and that followed his father selling cocain to  an undercover police officer.
#9. Than came the biggest scandal of them all, Terry  had a four month fling with Wayne Brige (his team-mate at Chelsea at that point of time) Girlfriend and reportedly she  was pregnant and abort the baby and with the Incident Terry lost England  captaincy and was criticised so bad in the media over the next few  months.
#10. In October 2011 he alleged to have racially  abuse Anton Ferdinand (Rio Ferdinand brother) in the Premier League  game. Later found guilty and banned for a few games as well as he was  replaced as the captain in England team for the 2nd time in his career.
............. "

EDIT:
Rubbish spelling, but it was a 'cut-and-paste' quote, so I couldn't in fairness edit the content.

Bloody Hell. What a nice bloke we are trying to sign.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 23, 2017, 01:13:11 AM
I've made my feelings plain on him, but it's a bit harsh blaming him for #8.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 23, 2017, 01:17:17 AM
True.

Replace it with:

#8. tried to amputate the leg of England teammate James Milner during an FA Cup Semi-Final.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 23, 2017, 01:20:30 AM
Works for me.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: alftitimus on June 23, 2017, 03:12:52 AM
I've made my feelings plain on him, but it's a bit harsh blaming him for #8.
;D

Yes...trifle harsh.

However. I think a lateral view can be taken on that.
i.e. That's his culture and environment - social and emotional.
The guy that posted it, missed out on the removal of the "Father-of-the-Year" he seemed to have won...laughingly as a result of the Wayne Bridge saga.

One thing Terry has always done, is acting the 'Big Noise' in the dressing room.
The organiser of cliques against managers and so on.

Be interesting to see him and Gabby splitting the dressing room.

Oh well.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on June 23, 2017, 06:06:53 AM
Do dressing rooms get split at this level? I imagine players are either too focused on looking good individually to get a move to the premier league or are so past it they are just taking a last pay cheque and so couldnt give a toss anyway.

Its hard for me to imagine any championship player caring enough about the team to create a split.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: alftitimus on June 23, 2017, 06:29:01 AM
 ;D

It's about 'Alpha Males' , ciggies.

Most dressing rooms have them, and they curl out to social life.

The old Plough Lane Wimbledon, is an excellent example.
Loads of Alpha-Males, loads of splits and fights.
The 'Crazy Gang' of Wise, Fashanu, Jones etc.... from lower leagues UP.

If Terry comes here, it will be interesting to see if the new Gaby-AM and trustee of the boss, 
maintains that position in the dressing room. ;D

Mind you, if we sign young Alex B.... game over   ;D

Not an Alpha  ;D...just a "sneak" ...IMO

 :)
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Chris Smith on June 23, 2017, 06:51:54 AM
In addition to the objections raised by most posters, I am concerned about  SB's strategy in offering the contract.

A lot of us think the current squad is more than capable of getting us promoted, but  Bruce started playing the card that the players bought in could not cope with the pressure. To me, that is an admission that he is unable to assemble a coaching team or the tactics necessary to do this.

It does not look good, in my view.

We need additional centre half cover so in that sense the squad is not good enough. One of Chester or Baker gets injured or suspended then we are in trouble. If a Terry like player was available but without the baggage then I doubt it would receive half the scrutiny this is. I can understand why people don't want him based on his character but from a purely footballing sense it makes a lot of sense.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: peter w on June 23, 2017, 06:54:12 AM
"People can say racist comments but it doesn't necessary mean you're racist?"

What the holy fuck does that mean????

Do you just mean that casual racism is acceptable?
Or racist banter?

No, I think it means that people use throwaway comments and use incendiary terms almost like a conjunctive; that is to inflame the insuly. You bastard become You black bastard, You fat bastard, You fucking bastard, You bald bastard, You stupid bastard etc etc etc the you and the bastard are often the only two important words and the middle one (kind of conjunctive for this purpose) is used merely as an emphasis.

Its stupid and thoughtless, and crass, but doesn't necessarily mean its racist.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: PeterWithe on June 23, 2017, 07:22:05 AM
I've made my feelings plain on him, but it's a bit harsh blaming him for #8.

And #4. Footballers can't bet on horse racing, since when?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: paul_e on June 23, 2017, 07:39:44 AM
I've made my feelings plain on him, but it's a bit harsh blaming him for #8.

And #4. Footballers can't bet on horse racing, since when?

I seem to remember it being said that it was a Chelsea club rule at the time.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Nunkin1965 on June 23, 2017, 07:56:44 AM
Great example to human kind or not, John Terry is a multiple winner on the football pitch and if we're on some sort of moral crusade by rejecting somebody like him then you'd better get used to Barnsley away on a Tuesday night. And it will probably be raining.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Gareth on June 23, 2017, 08:07:34 AM
As a little bit of balance to the argument that he is a total scumbag let's not forget that when Petrov was diagnosed he was one of the first to donate to the fund & if I remember correctly was one of the first to offer to play in his foundation game.

Not defending him but a bit of perspective at the end of the day he is a footballer who may or may not play for the team we all follow....he's not babysitting our kids or shooting our pets.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 23, 2017, 08:08:01 AM
Great example to human kind or not, John Terry is a multiple winner on the football pitch and if we're on some sort of moral crusade by rejecting somebody like him then you'd better get used to Barnsley away on a Tuesday night. And it will probably be raining.

Peter Schmeichel, Micah Richards and Joleon Lescott were all "winners" before we signed them. If we signed a thirty-year-old John Terry, he would almost certainly still be  a winner, but he's 37 and far from guaranteed to be so.

As for the second part of your post... that literally makes no sense. We won't get promoted unless we sign a racist? Is this something new rule? Who's Brighton's racist? Who's Bournemouth's racist?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 23, 2017, 08:10:39 AM
In addition to the objections raised by most posters, I am concerned about  SB's strategy in offering the contract.

A lot of us think the current squad is more than capable of getting us promoted, but  Bruce started playing the card that the players bought in could not cope with the pressure. To me, that is an admission that he is unable to assemble a coaching team or the tactics necessary to do this.

It does not look good, in my view.

We need additional centre half cover so in that sense the squad is not good enough. One of Chester or Baker gets injured or suspended then we are in trouble. If a Terry like player was available but without the baggage then I doubt it would receive half the scrutiny this is. I can understand why people don't want him based on his character but from a purely footballing sense it makes a lot of sense.

I'm struggling to see how "from a purely footballing sense" it makes a lot of sense for a second tier club to employ a 37 year old on £60k a week... as cover?

He won't be cover, so I'm not sure what point you're making. He'll be breaking up the only position in which we looked vaguely competent last season and leaving us lacking funds to address the parts of the team that really need addressing.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: brontebilly on June 23, 2017, 08:13:12 AM
In addition to the objections raised by most posters, I am concerned about  SB's strategy in offering the contract.

A lot of us think the current squad is more than capable of getting us promoted, but  Bruce started playing the card that the players bought in could not cope with the pressure. To me, that is an admission that he is unable to assemble a coaching team or the tactics necessary to do this.

It does not look good, in my view.

Agree 100%, we look to be again throwing money at the problem that time on the training field with a competent coaching team should fix.

John Terry as a footballer was superb, the best central defender I can recall in about 25 years but he hardly played last season so we will be defending very deep with him in the team, if his legs haven't completely packed it in.

A lot has been written about Terry as a person, a man of little morals and an unquenching desire to line his own pocket. Yet some of our biggest stars were far from angels off the pitch, performances on it are all that count.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on June 23, 2017, 08:19:43 AM
Whilst we pursue this transfer sha apparently lead the way to sign Marc Roberts an eminently more sensible option from Barnsley.  I do hope this isn't our owner simply trying to outdo them on this transfer.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: boozey182 on June 23, 2017, 08:29:18 AM
Great example to human kind or not, John Terry is a multiple winner on the football pitch and if we're on some sort of moral crusade by rejecting somebody like him then you'd better get used to Barnsley away on a Tuesday night. And it will probably be raining.

Peter Schmeichel, Micah Richards and Joleon Lescott were all "winners" before we signed them. If we signed a thirty-year-old John Terry, he would almost certainly still be  a winner, but he's 37 and far from guaranteed to be so.

As for the second part of your post... that literally makes no sense. We won't get promoted unless we sign a racist? Is this something new rule? Who's Brighton's racist? Who's Bournemouth's racist?

See I don't think we're too far away from agreeing here. I think (and apologies for putting words in people's mouths) that we all agree that there are too many dickheads playing football. Some people think that there are so many, how could you possibly build a successful team without at least one in your team - I can certainly sympathise with such an outlook. And then there are some of us who see that we have to take a stand against the dickheads and not just sit back and watch the posterboy for dickhead footballers join our club.

I'm convincing myself that after years of just standing by and watching, us fans can start to make a difference and not just accept someone who has been banned for racially abusing a fellow professional at our club. We couldn't have asked for a better opportunity to start; the most high profile dick in the game (apart from Suarez perhaps).

Aston Villa fans vs John Terry. It's the ultimate battle of good vs evil. Let's show the club what we think of him.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Chris Smith on June 23, 2017, 08:40:06 AM
In addition to the objections raised by most posters, I am concerned about  SB's strategy in offering the contract.

A lot of us think the current squad is more than capable of getting us promoted, but  Bruce started playing the card that the players bought in could not cope with the pressure. To me, that is an admission that he is unable to assemble a coaching team or the tactics necessary to do this.

It does not look good, in my view.

We need additional centre half cover so in that sense the squad is not good enough. One of Chester or Baker gets injured or suspended then we are in trouble. If a Terry like player was available but without the baggage then I doubt it would receive half the scrutiny this is. I can understand why people don't want him based on his character but from a purely footballing sense it makes a lot of sense.

I'm struggling to see how "from a purely footballing sense" it makes a lot of sense for a second tier club to employ a 37 year old on £60k a week... as cover?

He won't be cover, so I'm not sure what point you're making. He'll be breaking up the only position in which we looked vaguely competent last season and leaving us lacking funds to address the parts of the team that really need addressing.

We need another centre half, common sense tells us that Baker and Chester cannot play every game, injuries and suspensions will take there toll. So the argument that the squad is good enough does not stand up. If, as part of that deal we get one that is good enough to hold down a starting place then all the better.

It is understandable but I think your judgement of him as a player is clouded by your view of him as a man. He has never had pace but has made up for that with his strength, ability, leadership and positional sense. That is why there are a number of clubs interested in signing him.

On balance I would probably prefer that we didn't sign him but if we do then I am fairly confident that he would be good enough for the Championship.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: olaftab on June 23, 2017, 08:40:21 AM
The argument that is a winner is bunk. Robert Pires was a winner when he joined us as was said about Toy Keane. Pires was a laughing stock on the pitch and a complete waste. I don't expect Terry to be any better. Bruce has completely lost it now. This  Villa football team is not going to be fixed by throwing fat contracts at your mates and hoping for the best.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: brian green on June 23, 2017, 08:46:53 AM
A number 11 to the charge sheet could be having somebody  related to me evicted from the ground for trying to do his job then having the bouncers set on him for continuing the report in the public road outside.  The thoroughly reprehensible poster boy of a thoroughly reprehensible club.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 23, 2017, 08:48:56 AM
In addition to the objections raised by most posters, I am concerned about  SB's strategy in offering the contract.

A lot of us think the current squad is more than capable of getting us promoted, but  Bruce started playing the card that the players bought in could not cope with the pressure. To me, that is an admission that he is unable to assemble a coaching team or the tactics necessary to do this.

It does not look good, in my view.

We need additional centre half cover so in that sense the squad is not good enough. One of Chester or Baker gets injured or suspended then we are in trouble. If a Terry like player was available but without the baggage then I doubt it would receive half the scrutiny this is. I can understand why people don't want him based on his character but from a purely footballing sense it makes a lot of sense.

I'm struggling to see how "from a purely footballing sense" it makes a lot of sense for a second tier club to employ a 37 year old on £60k a week... as cover?

He won't be cover, so I'm not sure what point you're making. He'll be breaking up the only position in which we looked vaguely competent last season and leaving us lacking funds to address the parts of the team that really need addressing.

We need another centre half, common sense tells us that Baker and Chester cannot play every game, injuries and suspensions will take there toll. So the argument that the squad is good enough does not stand up. If, as part of that deal we get one that is good enough to hold down a starting place then all the better.

It is understandable but I think your judgement of him as a player is clouded by your view of him as a man. He has never had pace but has made up for that with his strength, ability, leadership and positional sense. That is why there are a number of clubs interested in signing him.

On balance I would probably prefer that we didn't sign him but if we do then I am fairly confident that he would be good enough for the Championship.

He might be good enough, he might not. As he's hardly played in the last six months, it's difficult to tell.

Maybe he's better than McGrath, Baresi or Beckenbauer... who all retired or disappeared to the Disney Retirement "Soccer" League at his age.

But you're agreeing that Baker and Chester are okay and that we need to strengthen "the squad'. Buying a player to come straight into the first team at centre-half is not a priority. We can easily get a promising youngster or a solid pro as centre-half cover, save ourselves a fortune in the process and re-invest in areas where we need to strengthen the team, as opposed to just providing cover.

There is no sense in the Terry signing. It's a vanity signing based on reputation rather than the logical needs of the team/squad. Nothing more, nothing less.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: brian green on June 23, 2017, 08:51:51 AM
I cannot stop shuddering at the prospects of us being called "John Terry's Aston Villa".
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Virgil Caine on June 23, 2017, 08:59:26 AM
I had hopes that the new regime of Wyness, Rounds and He who Walks on Water were going to put in place a different way of working than that been evident in the last 7 years. The potential signing of Terry and the baggage that he comes with appears to indicate no fresh thinking, which to me is really disappointing.

Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: andyh on June 23, 2017, 09:09:51 AM
Aside from the shitstorm this potential signing is causing, what does this tell us about Bruce's approach to the new season?

I think many, many fans were hoping Bruce would undergo some sort of epiphany this summer that would usher in a new way we approach the game.
Many said we need to change our style of play and become, fitter, stronger, with much more pace and movement.
We need to get away from the dinosaur approach of tippy tappy, sideways, backwards turgid football that had us finishing as a lower half, second division team last season.   

Targeting players like Terry does not suggest to me that Bruce has gone 'all modern' and we will enjoy the sort of football we saw from many other teams last season.
Many other teams who were better than us. 
   
 
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Chris Smith on June 23, 2017, 09:11:45 AM
In addition to the objections raised by most posters, I am concerned about  SB's strategy in offering the contract.

A lot of us think the current squad is more than capable of getting us promoted, but  Bruce started playing the card that the players bought in could not cope with the pressure. To me, that is an admission that he is unable to assemble a coaching team or the tactics necessary to do this.

It does not look good, in my view.

We need additional centre half cover so in that sense the squad is not good enough. One of Chester or Baker gets injured or suspended then we are in trouble. If a Terry like player was available but without the baggage then I doubt it would receive half the scrutiny this is. I can understand why people don't want him based on his character but from a purely footballing sense it makes a lot of sense.

I'm struggling to see how "from a purely footballing sense" it makes a lot of sense for a second tier club to employ a 37 year old on £60k a week... as cover?

He won't be cover, so I'm not sure what point you're making. He'll be breaking up the only position in which we looked vaguely competent last season and leaving us lacking funds to address the parts of the team that really need addressing.

We need another centre half, common sense tells us that Baker and Chester cannot play every game, injuries and suspensions will take there toll. So the argument that the squad is good enough does not stand up. If, as part of that deal we get one that is good enough to hold down a starting place then all the better.

It is understandable but I think your judgement of him as a player is clouded by your view of him as a man. He has never had pace but has made up for that with his strength, ability, leadership and positional sense. That is why there are a number of clubs interested in signing him.

On balance I would probably prefer that we didn't sign him but if we do then I am fairly confident that he would be good enough for the Championship.

He might be good enough, he might not. As he's hardly played in the last six months, it's difficult to tell.

Maybe he's better than McGrath, Baresi or Beckenbauer... who all retired or disappeared to the Disney Retirement "Soccer" League at his age.

But you're agreeing that Baker and Chester are okay and that we need to strengthen "the squad'. Buying a player to come straight into the first team at centre-half is not a priority. We can easily get a promising youngster or a solid pro as centre-half cover, save ourselves a fortune in the process and re-invest in areas where we need to strengthen the team, as opposed to just providing cover.

There is no sense in the Terry signing. It's a vanity signing based on reputation rather than the logical needs of the team/squad. Nothing more, nothing less.

Your last sentence just comes across as Theresa May level arrogance, "I know best so will shut down any debate, "Terry means Terry".

I am suggesting that I think the pairing from last season were adequate. Chester is more than good enough but Baker has many obvious flaws to his game, in my opinion, and that is before taking into account his injury record and propensity for picking up cards. We need another centre half, if that was to be of the quality that reduced the number of games we had to play Nathan then all the better. If we signed the dickhead from Chelsea we would have a better defence than last season, but he is a long way from being the only person that could do that.

As I said, I would prefer that we didn't' sign him but that is not to with what I think he could provide on the pitch.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Hookeysmith on June 23, 2017, 09:12:09 AM
I am actually more worried that Dr Tony is star struck and it is allowing Bruce's clear lack of coaching and leadership skills to be masked over.

I can see Bruce gone by October as I think this year we will be even worse than last - another season will be wasted

If we were alleged to have turned the club around on not to employ McClaren then I feel we should get the same message out
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Duncan Shaw on June 23, 2017, 09:13:37 AM
I've read all on here and can understand fully just about every viewpoint on this signing.

I'm only going to comment football-wise and I it would be fine, I think he's got enough about him to still be decent at this level and he's clearly got some desire if he's willing to slug it out in the Championship rather than go to US for $$$.  He might also bring Baker on somewhat, be good for his development.

2 things have struck me this morning though - firstly the comment above about the owner trying to get one over on Small Heath - this could be bang on the nail and worrying if so.

The other thing is reading the summary linked from the Beeb in the Grauniad, the more I think about it the more he using us and Brucie as a stalking horse - let it out there that they're all pally, that it's a done deal to try and flush out a better offer. 
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on June 23, 2017, 09:14:21 AM
For me the link with jt says more about Bruce.
Signing jt who comes with the tag line "no coaching required" suits bruce.
I've never really felt Bruce has had full control/authority over the changing room, since his arrival, especially with gabby, richards and bacuna in the background. Bruce would be hoping that if he had jt, that might help to shift the balance of power in his favour. Personally I would sack off the idea of signing jt and instead use some of the money mentioned (as jt's wages) to pay off any 1 or preferably all 3 of the wastrels mentioned above. The atmosphere at the club would change for the better overnight and we'd still be left with a potentially talented squad for the championship.
Finally for automatic promotion we need to be in the mix after 10-12 games. If we're not its too late to change manager (as we found out last season with rdm). Bruce knows this and probably realises he'll be judged after 6 games, especially after last season's brain freeze in Jan/Feb and missed opportunity to manage the season out after Burton away. The idea of signing jt is a typical Bruce short term quick fix with very little thought given to medium/long term objectives. If it's Bruce's idea to sign a 37 year old, has been, mercenary footballer for  huge wages,  whilst keeping hold of the likes of gabby, richards and bacuna, then I'm fast losing any hope for the coming season.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cannock villa on June 23, 2017, 09:14:36 AM
So people who say racist things aren't really racist? So who is racist? Are we to sign people who groom children but aren't paedophiles also, just as long as they're 'winners'?
So you have never said anything stupid in the heat of the moment which you obviously don't mean. An argument with a girlfriend/wife, telling off the kids when their naughty and saying I could kill you, it doesn't mean your a murderer.
Big Ron probably did more for black players in the 70's than most in football but then that is all forgotten by one stupid remark.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Chris Smith on June 23, 2017, 09:17:49 AM
Aside from the shitstorm this potential signing is causing, what does this tell us about Bruce's approach to the new season?

I think many, many fans were hoping Bruce would undergo some sort of epiphany this summer that would usher in a new way we approach the game.
Many said we need to change our style of play and become, fitter, stronger, with much more pace and movement.
We need to get away from the dinosaur approach of tippy tappy, sideways, backwards turgid football that had us finishing as a lower half, second division team last season.   

Targeting players like Terry does not suggest to me that Bruce has gone 'all modern' and we will enjoy the sort of football we saw from many other teams last season.
Many other teams who were better than us. 
 

When you consider the Chelsea sides he has play in and the managers he has played under I am not sure that argument holds up. A reliable defence allows the midfield more attacking freedom as they are not constantly having to worry about potential cock ups behind them.

I am really surprised to find myself sort of defending him as I have never had any time for the man but that does not stop me from recognising that he is (was?) a very good centre half.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 23, 2017, 09:18:23 AM
Is it acceptable to call a fellow professional a "fucking black ******"?

If not; why do you keep defending him with this tiresome "yeah but I bet you've made fun of a foreigner" routine?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: brian green on June 23, 2017, 09:20:15 AM
I am surprised Chris that you take such a pragmatic approach.  I share the view expressed by others that even considering Terry is to replay our old vices of lazy management decisions, profligacy with money and unnecessary risk taking.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Monty on June 23, 2017, 09:30:31 AM
Aside from the shitstorm this potential signing is causing, what does this tell us about Bruce's approach to the new season?

I think many, many fans were hoping Bruce would undergo some sort of epiphany this summer that would usher in a new way we approach the game.
Many said we need to change our style of play and become, fitter, stronger, with much more pace and movement.
We need to get away from the dinosaur approach of tippy tappy, sideways, backwards turgid football that had us finishing as a lower half, second division team last season.   

Targeting players like Terry does not suggest to me that Bruce has gone 'all modern' and we will enjoy the sort of football we saw from many other teams last season.
Many other teams who were better than us. 
 

When you consider the Chelsea sides he has play in and the managers he has played under I am not sure that argument holds up. A reliable defence allows the midfield more attacking freedom as they are not constantly having to worry about potential cock ups behind them.

I am really surprised to find myself sort of defending him as I have never had any time for the man but that does not stop me from recognising that he is (was?) a very good centre half.

Reliable, sure, but not one capable of pushing the high line that we need to change the way we play. Terry could only be 'reliable' in the same kind of defence in the same kind of tactics we saw from Bruce last season - i.e. scared, timid, stay-in-yer-half-and-hope-for-the-best football.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Risso on June 23, 2017, 09:41:28 AM
I cannot stop shuddering at the prospects of us being called "John Terry's Aston Villa".

That's not likely to be the case though, the media would never do that.  Even with players who we see as Villa heroes, the media like to portray them as belonging elsewhere, eg Paul McGrath and Man U, and David Platt and Arsenal.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Ads on June 23, 2017, 09:56:21 AM
In retrospect I much preferred being Martin O'Neill's Aston Villa than that turd that wouldn't flush.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Monty on June 23, 2017, 09:58:14 AM
In retrospect I much preferred being Martin O'Neill's Aston Villa than that turd that wouldn't flush.

Without wanting to get into that *again*, that was a lot of money to spend on that style of football. The idea that it was just Martin, and if only we tried Boggy Britball again (did I dream McLeish? Was Lambert a hallucination?) then we'd be fine again - well it's nonsense, isn't it?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: auntiesledd on June 23, 2017, 10:12:34 AM
I've just suffered an nauseating flashback of 'Mr Chelski' being given that ego-tastic guard of honour at the end of last season. I'd imagine that any future contract drawn up for the tosser would feature a compulsory halt during every match - so folk could pay full homage to the self-styled Legend that Terry thinks he is. Endearing images abound...
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on June 23, 2017, 10:19:39 AM
I've just suffered an nauseating flashback of 'Mr Chelski' being given that ego-tastic guard of honour at the end of last season. I'd imagine that any future contract drawn up for the tosser would feature a compulsory halt during every match - so folk could pay full homage to the self-styled Legend that Terry thinks he is. Endearing images abound...

We'll need to make some sort of banner. Something like, Captain, Leader, Racist....
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cannock villa on June 23, 2017, 10:26:20 AM
Is it acceptable to call a fellow professional a "fucking black c***"?

If not; why do you keep defending him with this tiresome "yeah but I bet you've made fun of a foreigner" routine?
See that's the point of all my posts. I haven't defended Terry at all in any of my posts. I don't know him, never met him and don't know anything about him that I haven't read about in the papers so how can I or anybody else make a damning judgement about him.
What I have been defending is that most people make a stupid comments from time to time but that doesn't make them racists. I have been called racist on this thread from people who have never met me. What is shows to me is that those that are first to a point finger and calls names are usually the most narrow minded.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Mossie Hennebry on June 23, 2017, 10:26:28 AM
For me the link with jt says more about Bruce.
Signing jt who comes with the tag line "no coaching required" suits bruce.
I've never really felt Bruce has had full control/authority over the changing room, since his arrival, especially with gabby, richards and bacuna in the background. Bruce would be hoping that if he had jt, that might help to shift the balance of power in his favour. Personally I would sack off the idea of signing jt and instead use some of the money mentioned (as jt's wages) to pay off any 1 or preferably all 3 of the wastrels mentioned above. The atmosphere at the club would change for the better overnight and we'd still be left with a potentially talented squad for the championship.
Finally for automatic promotion we need to be in the mix after 10-12 games. If we're not its too late to change manager (as we found out last season with rdm). Bruce knows this and probably realises he'll be judged after 6 games, especially after last season's brain freeze in Jan/Feb and missed opportunity to manage the season out after Burton away. The idea of signing jt is a typical Bruce short term quick fix with very little thought given to medium/long term objectives. If it's Bruce's idea to sign a 37 year old, has been, mercenary footballer for  huge wages,  whilst keeping hold of the likes of gabby, richards and bacuna, then I'm fast losing any hope for the coming season.

I agree with releasing the damaging players of Gabby and Richards. Sadly, they should have gone last year, but we wasted a good crisis. This move for Terry shows reveals our strategy for the season somewhat, and it doesn't look like we'll be getting rid of the deadwood or achieving much success on the pitch.

I cannot understand how we can change management teams, administrative teams and even owners/chairmen and nothing changes. I work in a massive corporation and can see each change at directorship level is of a man trying to make his mark and to hell with the practicalities of such change. But, surely Villa is a much leaner environment and change should happen quicker? But, our changes are just of men trying the same things again and not being innovative. Maybe, they're all spoofers? Maybe they don't have any ideas and they are all just referencing "Football Clubs for Dummies".

My fear is that with this move for Terry that our downward spiral will further downward for this term at least.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: KevinGage on June 23, 2017, 10:44:08 AM
^^

Agree with most of that.

It's a concern with regard to Round and the scouting set up, which was meant to get an overhaul.

If you look at our (mostly dismal) business last summer, you could make the argument that the structures weren't yet in place to move outside the immediate comfortzone of players the managers knew (Clarke > Tishbola Di Matteo> Gollini et.c) and there was an element of throwing money at the problem.

12 months on, and after and extensive, exhaustive search of world football the two best players to push us on are... a semi retired John Terry and Glen Whelan. 

We just don't learn.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Damo70 on June 23, 2017, 10:47:14 AM
I've just suffered an nauseating flashback of 'Mr Chelski' being given that ego-tastic guard of honour at the end of last season. I'd imagine that any future contract drawn up for the tosser would feature a compulsory halt during every match - so folk could pay full homage to the self-styled Legend that Terry thinks he is. Endearing images abound...

We'll need to make some sort of banner. Something like, Captain, Leader, Racist....



When we finally win the FA Cup next season and he is injured or suspended for the final will will let him lift the trophy in his full Villa kit?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: garyshawsknee on June 23, 2017, 10:53:01 AM
^^

Agree with most of that.

It's a concern with regard to Round and the scouting set up, which was meant to get an overhaul.

If you look at our (mostly dismal) business last summer, you could make the argument that the structures weren't yet in place to move outside the immediate comfortzone of players the managers knew (Clarke > Tishbola Di Matteo> Gollini et.c) and there was an element of throwing money at the problem.

12 months on, and after and extensive, exhaustive search of world football the two best players to push us on are... a semi retired John Terry and Glen Whelan. 

We just don't learn.

Well said KG. The idea we have a scouting network is pretty laughable and worrying at the same time. Not sure what Round is getting paid for as we lack any form of footballing identity.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: TheTimVilla on June 23, 2017, 11:01:58 AM
I wonder if Bruce is looking to play Terry in a three at the back, a system that he will have been heavily involved in last season, even if not playing regularly?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Clampy on June 23, 2017, 11:17:18 AM
^^

Agree with most of that.

It's a concern with regard to Round and the scouting set up, which was meant to get an overhaul.

If you look at our (mostly dismal) business last summer, you could make the argument that the structures weren't yet in place to move outside the immediate comfortzone of players the managers knew (Clarke > Tishbola Di Matteo> Gollini et.c) and there was an element of throwing money at the problem.

12 months on, and after and extensive, exhaustive search of world football the two best players to push us on are... a semi retired John Terry and Glen Whelan. 

We just don't learn.

Well said KG. The idea we have a scouting network is pretty laughable and worrying at the same time. Not sure what Round is getting paid for as we lack any form of footballing identity.

You seem to both forget that we picked up James Bree and the young centre half Beadeau from Bury so we're not just signing John Terry's and Glen Whelan's are we really?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Mister E on June 23, 2017, 11:26:46 AM
I had hopes that the new regime of Wyness, Rounds and He who Walks on Water were going to put in place a different way of working than that been evident in the last 7 years. The potential signing of Terry and the baggage that he comes with appears to indicate no fresh thinking, which to me is really disappointing.

This, and the observations that there does not seem to be much focus on coaching a new and innovative playing style; developing an Aston Villa approch to the game.
It's remarkable, actually, just how little progress we've made over the last few years in terms of addressing simple playing-style and squad issues.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: KevinGage on June 23, 2017, 11:30:48 AM

 I haven't defended Terry at all in any of my posts...

But:   

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My point was all the righteous on here are bringing up the race card, how many hands on heart can swear they have never made a stupid comment or even thought it.

I'm not racist, but:

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How many on here calling him all the name's under the sun can say with hand on heart they have never make a comment about the colour of somebodies skin colour or race whether in jest or not.

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So you have never told an English man, Irish man and Scots man joke or as a kid held the corner of your eyes up and  spoke in an Chinese accent ?

Your commitment to JT's defence is admirable, but if you don't see there is a bit of a difference between most of the casual 1970s-style stereotyping you've offered there and calling someone a fxcking black cxnt on live TV (not in jest, either) then I can't help you.

The daft racist barb was a comedy reference from a little known BBC show called Alan Partridge, and was intended in that spirit. Apologies if that wasn't clear.

You are on a sticky wicket if you assume that every poster here has first hand experience of dishing out racial comments/making slitty eyed gestures/ putting dog muck through a Pakistani's letterbox or variations on a similar theme, though.



Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cannock villa on June 23, 2017, 11:44:02 AM

 I haven't defended Terry at all in any of my posts...

But:   

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My point was all the righteous on here are bringing up the race card, how many hands on heart can swear they have never made a stupid comment or even thought it.

I'm not racist, but:

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How many on here calling him all the name's under the sun can say with hand on heart they have never make a comment about the colour of somebodies skin colour or race whether in jest or not.

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So you have never told an English man, Irish man and Scots man joke or as a kid held the corner of your eyes up and  spoke in an Chinese accent ?

Your commitment to JT's defence is admirable, but if you don't see there is a bit of a difference between most of the casual 1970s-style stereotyping you've offered there and calling someone a fxcking black cxnt on live TV (not in jest, either) then I can't help you.

The daft racist barb was a comedy reference from a little known BBC show called Alan Partridge, and was intended in that spirit. Apologies if that wasn't clear.

You are on a sticky wicket if you assume that every poster here has first hand experience of dishing out racial comments/making slitty eyed gestures/ putting dog muck through a Pakistani's letterbox or variations on a similar theme, though.






So you have attached some of my previous quotes presumably to show how I have defended Terry when in fact there is no reference to him. He may be a racist, he may not, I do not know him to make that judgement.
The only sticky wicket I am on seems to be from those of you upon your ivory towers casting their judgement on the rest of us. If you've never/thought made a joke or reference to someone's colour race then I take my hat off to you.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Hookeysmith on June 23, 2017, 11:50:03 AM
We all know what he is - it was proven and he was punished for it (I am not suggesting to forget and move onl)

Can we focus on what he potential could do for the club football wise - both good and bad as I am tending to skip over what he is and may miss a good comment about the player
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Three Spires Villa on June 23, 2017, 12:35:34 PM
Ok, wage to big for a 37 year old in the Championship, how many games do people think he will play over the season, not good value for money in my humble
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: paul_e on June 23, 2017, 12:42:27 PM
that's my view on it too, I can't see him playing more than 30 games and the costs seem excessive for that given where we are.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: olaftab on June 23, 2017, 12:52:25 PM
http://www.socceronsunday.com/article/john-terry-signs-spurs-two-year-deal/
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: KRS on June 23, 2017, 12:57:41 PM
Quality! :D
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: itbrvilla on June 23, 2017, 01:24:54 PM
^^

Agree with most of that.

It's a concern with regard to Round and the scouting set up, which was meant to get an overhaul.

If you look at our (mostly dismal) business last summer, you could make the argument that the structures weren't yet in place to move outside the immediate comfortzone of players the managers knew (Clarke > Tishbola Di Matteo> Gollini et.c) and there was an element of throwing money at the problem.

12 months on, and after and extensive, exhaustive search of world football the two best players to push us on are... a semi retired John Terry and Glen Whelan. 

We just don't learn.

Well said KG. The idea we have a scouting network is pretty laughable and worrying at the same time. Not sure what Round is getting paid for as we lack any form of footballing identity.
Surely Wyness being the ''football person'' we've apparently been crying out for over the years, is responsible for the management and oversight of all matters at the club.  He strikes me as a chancer and here just for the money.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: tomd2103 on June 23, 2017, 01:30:46 PM
I wonder if Bruce is looking to play Terry in a three at the back, a system that he will have been heavily involved in last season, even if not playing regularly?

Good point and there are a few indications that might happen, especially the rumoured interest in El Ahmadi, who is a wing back.  Jedinak to drop back as well perhaps and it would give us the chance to play two up front, something that Bruce has said he wants to look at.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 23, 2017, 01:33:01 PM
I hate three at the back. Our defence was, mostly, fine, last year.

Why would we want to take a potential playmaker out of our woeful midfield to make room for an extra player in a position of strength?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: tomd2103 on June 23, 2017, 01:41:45 PM
I hate three at the back. Our defence was, mostly, fine, last year.

Why would we want to take a potential playmaker out of our woeful midfield to make room for an extra player in a position of strength?

Oh I agree, but that are one or two pointers suggesting that is the way he might be thinking. 

I'm with you though, a back four of De Laet, Chester, AN Other and Taylor is more than good enough for the division. 
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: paul_e on June 23, 2017, 01:44:02 PM
I wonder if Bruce is looking to play Terry in a three at the back, a system that he will have been heavily involved in last season, even if not playing regularly?

Good point and there are a few indications that might happen, especially the rumoured interest in El Ahmadi, who is a wing back.  Jedinak to drop back as well perhaps and it would give us the chance to play two up front, something that Bruce has said he wants to look at.

I think the elmohamady links are more just that's he's signed him a couple of times before, I don't think there's much more to it.

I agree that he is probably looking at it though, which I think is a huge mistake.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 23, 2017, 01:47:12 PM
I hate three at the back. Our defence was, mostly, fine, last year.

Why would we want to take a potential playmaker out of our woeful midfield to make room for an extra player in a position of strength?

Oh I agree, but that are one or two pointers suggesting that is the way he might be thinking. 

I'm with you though, a back four of De Laet, Chester, AN Other and Taylor is more than good enough for the division.

Replace AN Other with Baker and it's more than good enough. We need cover, sure. Spending 60k a week plus bonuses and signing fee on a position where our first team are fine is lunacy.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: boozey182 on June 23, 2017, 02:19:39 PM
Could someone list relevant email addresses for those of us not on Twitter?

I have found, from this site in 2014, that Lee Preece is the Supporter Liaison Officer and his e mail address is lee.preece@avfc.co.uk. I'm not sure if he's in the job still, but that could be a good place to start. The more emails that get sent, the more chance the club will listen to what they say. Hopefully...

Ta. Will send an email in the morning.
I've had a reply from Lee, who assures me the sentiment will be forwarded on accordingly. He seems like a good guy.

It took two minutes to send him an email, so if anyone else is concerned that John Terry might sign for us, send an email. It feels so much better to have done something, even if it may be futile.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: paul_e on June 23, 2017, 02:25:17 PM
The problem with the defence is when you try to pop in all the options for each position:

RB:
De Laet
Bree
Hutton

CB:
Chester
Baker
Elphick*
Richards*



LB:
Taylor
Amavi*

Replacing the 3 Bold/starred players with people we want, who want to stay and who are decent is the important thing to happen here.  We might be able to bring through a kid or 2 but we definitely need to add some depth there.  I'm not sure that Terry is the right type of player for this though.  I think someone to compete with Baker who could be an option in the premier league if we get promoted should be the choice and then the 4th can be someone like Bedeau.  With Jedinak and De Laet as emergency cover that's ok.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: olaftab on June 23, 2017, 02:42:04 PM
Bruce has no idea as he is not a conviction coach. He is going to carry on with trial and error till it's ok or he is sacked.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: passitsideways on June 23, 2017, 02:57:36 PM
The other thing is, it might give a chance playing 3 at the back properly once more - we struggled to build play with that formation because we didn't have centre halves who could pass the ball, but Terry's honestly one of the better ball-playing defenders England's ever had, and you'd think at least that bit of his game won't have diminished from age.

Still would rather not have him, mind.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: TheTimVilla on June 23, 2017, 03:15:03 PM
I hate three at the back. Our defence was, mostly, fine, last year.

Why would we want to take a potential playmaker out of our woeful midfield to make room for an extra player in a position of strength?

I'm thinking more in terms of the fact that we need to score almost double the number of goals we scored last season (47). A 3-4-3 along the lines of:

Goalie, de Laet, 3CHs, Bree; Lansbury, Hourihane; Kodjia, Hogan, AN Other
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 23, 2017, 03:15:34 PM
That looks horrific.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: mr underhill on June 23, 2017, 04:15:25 PM
particularly as we seem to be playing without a left back.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: tomd2103 on June 23, 2017, 06:05:18 PM
I hate three at the back. Our defence was, mostly, fine, last year.

Why would we want to take a potential playmaker out of our woeful midfield to make room for an extra player in a position of strength?

Oh I agree, but that are one or two pointers suggesting that is the way he might be thinking. 

I'm with you though, a back four of De Laet, Chester, AN Other and Taylor is more than good enough for the division.

Replace AN Other with Baker and it's more than good enough. We need cover, sure. Spending 60k a week plus bonuses and signing fee on a position where our first team are fine is lunacy.

I still think we need better than Baker (particularly better on the ball) for the first choice partner for Chester.  I agree with Paul's point above that we could do with a CB who is going to be able to make the step up to the top flight if we do make it.  I agree that there are enough options out there to not be spending that on a huge gamble like John Terry. 
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: tomd2103 on June 23, 2017, 06:06:32 PM
I wonder if Bruce is looking to play Terry in a three at the back, a system that he will have been heavily involved in last season, even if not playing regularly?

Good point and there are a few indications that might happen, especially the rumoured interest in El Ahmadi, who is a wing back.  Jedinak to drop back as well perhaps and it would give us the chance to play two up front, something that Bruce has said he wants to look at.

I think the elmohamady links are more just that's he's signed him a couple of times before, I don't think there's much more to it.

I agree that he is probably looking at it though, which I think is a huge mistake.

Hopefully Paul.  I honestly couldn't see the sense in signing another RB, especially if money is as tight as we are being led to believe.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: London Villan on June 23, 2017, 06:31:18 PM
Throw jedinak into that mix and it makes less sense. Id rather spend that money on barry or carrick.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 23, 2017, 07:21:20 PM
I hate three at the back. Our defence was, mostly, fine, last year.

Why would we want to take a potential playmaker out of our woeful midfield to make room for an extra player in a position of strength?

Oh I agree, but that are one or two pointers suggesting that is the way he might be thinking. 

I'm with you though, a back four of De Laet, Chester, AN Other and Taylor is more than good enough for the division.

Replace AN Other with Baker and it's more than good enough. We need cover, sure. Spending 60k a week plus bonuses and signing fee on a position where our first team are fine is lunacy.

I still think we need better than Baker (particularly better on the ball) for the first choice partner for Chester.  I agree with Paul's point above that we could do with a CB who is going to be able to make the step up to the top flight if we do make it.  I agree that there are enough options out there to not be spending that on a huge gamble like John Terry.

Baker is more than adequate... we had the third or fourth best defence last year. By all means upgrade if we go up, but we'd be a Premier League club with better options, then.

Bring in some cover, preferably a young talent for the future.

Sign somebody with actual PACE in midfield. Has to be number one priority.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: paul_e on June 23, 2017, 07:39:47 PM
Sign somebody with actual PACE in midfield. Has to be number one priority.

Not going to quote the whole thing but I think the pace problems at the club won't be solved by doing that because the issue is more fundamental.  We play at such a slow tempo and don't look for runners so we look really slow but with some coaching that could be resolved without a huge number of changes.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Ads on June 23, 2017, 07:44:03 PM
Baker distributing for the back doesn't help.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on June 23, 2017, 07:50:50 PM
Baker distributing for the back doesn't help.

Distribution is one area I could see Terry actually adding value. It was always his biggest strength as a player imho.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: tomd2103 on June 24, 2017, 12:25:31 AM
I hate three at the back. Our defence was, mostly, fine, last year.

Why would we want to take a potential playmaker out of our woeful midfield to make room for an extra player in a position of strength?

Oh I agree, but that are one or two pointers suggesting that is the way he might be thinking. 

I'm with you though, a back four of De Laet, Chester, AN Other and Taylor is more than good enough for the division.

Replace AN Other with Baker and it's more than good enough. We need cover, sure. Spending 60k a week plus bonuses and signing fee on a position where our first team are fine is lunacy.

I still think we need better than Baker (particularly better on the ball) for the first choice partner for Chester.  I agree with Paul's point above that we could do with a CB who is going to be able to make the step up to the top flight if we do make it.  I agree that there are enough options out there to not be spending that on a huge gamble like John Terry.

Baker is more than adequate... we had the third or fourth best defence last year. By all means upgrade if we go up, but we'd be a Premier League club with better options, then.

Bring in some cover, preferably a young talent for the future.

Sign somebody with actual PACE in midfield. Has to be number one priority.

My main issue with Baker is that we are never going to be able to play anything resembling decent football from the back with him playing.  When you add Jedinak just in front of him, it's even less likely.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: ozzjim on June 24, 2017, 07:51:44 AM
I could see a back 3 of Chester Terry and DeLeat working quite well.  The latter would give the pace, Terry can actually pass and Chester... well he's just good.  Bree and Taylor wide either side and you can get Grealish into a midfield with license to roam. I would actually play Hourihane deeper with Jedinak as I think he can dictate play deeper.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Mister E on June 24, 2017, 09:36:14 AM
I could see a back 3 of Chester Terry and DeLeat working quite well.  The latter would give the pace, Terry can actually pass and Chester... well he's just good.  Bree and Taylor wide either side and you can get Grealish into a midfield with license to roam. I would actually play Hourihane deeper with Jedinak as I think he can dictate play deeper.
But you could make a back three from several exisitng players - Baker, Chester, Delaet, Bedeau, Toner, Hutton, Jedinak; admittedly, not all would be my choice, but you could defintely make a fist of it.
The priority for me is back-up leftback / wingback and getting rid of the dead wood (Bacuna, Flabby, Richards, et al): this would force Bruce to pck some of th eyounger members of the squad.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: dave shelley on June 24, 2017, 11:54:15 AM
I was missing all yesterday evening but before I left I saw on here that Terry had signed for Spurs.  Is that true or is it a spoof?  I had a quick squint at one of the Irish papers this morning and there was no mention.  I hope yesterday's sense of relief wasn't a little previous.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 24, 2017, 11:57:44 AM
Fuck it, can't hurt...

Hi Lee,

I thank you in advance for taking the time to read this, and hope that it can reach someone who may have a say on whether or not we decide to proceed with the planned acquisition of John Terry.

I have never seen fit to contact anyone at the club regarding a rumoured signing before, even if I have my misgivings. I'm always of the opinion that you should give anyone a chance and give them full support once they become Aston Villa players.

I have been a season ticket holder for thirty years, in good, average and abysmal seasons, in the top flight and, now, in the second tier. I'd support them in the Midland Combination Fifth Division, too. While I might moan about performances, I would never turn my back on the club no matter how many times we lost.

Part of that loyalty is based on the fact that, no matter how bad things have got, we have always done things with a touch of class and dignity, in keeping with the glorious history of the club.

Which brings me to John Terry. You could hardly imagine a player, or even a human being, that less embodies the ethos of "class and dignity". His list of misdemeanors is lengthy, and I won't bore you with repeating what I'm sure you are well aware of. What concerns me most of all, though, is his racism.

If either you or I called somebody a "fucking black ******" while at work, I'm sure we would lose our jobs. It is completely unacceptable in any walk of life.

When I first started attending Villa matches thirty years ago, it was rare to see a non-white face in the crowd. I take pride in how this has changed over the years. We are a club from an ethnically-mixed district of one of the most diverse cities on Earth, and I believe that is cause for celebration.

Signing John Terry is sticking two fingers up to ethnic minorities among our squad, our staff and, most significantly, our supporters.

The approach has already split the fans, and would cause me to lose a bit of the pride I take in our club. It may also cause me to consider my position as a season ticket holder, something which I have taken for granted for decades, regardless of results.

I thank you for taking the time to read this.

Kind regards,


Cdbullyweefan.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: AV5nobs on June 24, 2017, 12:41:31 PM
Seem to recall loads of letters sent to the club objecting to Big Eck becoming manager....how did that one turn out.

Waste of time.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 24, 2017, 12:42:50 PM
Probably right, I found it cathartic.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 24, 2017, 12:51:27 PM
I am a great believer in writing a letter about something that really concerns you.
If you want to change or influence something, doing nothing or moaning on an internet site is not going to work.
Yes and it is cathartic.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: AV5nobs on June 24, 2017, 12:58:17 PM
As long as people feel better for it then great, but there is zero influence.

The only way fan power will ever change something is to not attend games and that's not going to happen, especially on this issue as it's 50/50 from people I speak to.

I'm more concerned at JT being passed it than stupid comments.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: CJ on June 24, 2017, 01:01:44 PM
I was missing all yesterday evening but before I left I saw on here that Terry had signed for Spurs.  Is that true or is it a spoof?  I had a quick squint at one of the Irish papers this morning and there was no mention.  I hope yesterday's sense of relief wasn't a little previous.

Read beyond the headline (http://www.socceronsunday.com/article/john-terry-signs-spurs-two-year-deal/) then decide for yourself  ;)
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 24, 2017, 01:04:37 PM
It's basically one joke stretched across several paragraphs.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: dave shelley on June 24, 2017, 01:44:35 PM
Ah!  Size nine firmly planted in the orifice under my nose.  In deference to myself, I was in a hurry to get out to take my elderly neighbour thirty miles to hospital where I spent nine hours waiting only for her to be sent home again.  That was because the vindictive, lying bastard that has just stepped down as prime minister here saw fit to close a recently upgraded,state of the art A&E one mile from our house because a local MP had the temerity to vote against him in a tabled vote of no confidence.  This after making a pre-election promise to continue services.  It was like a field hospital over there last night with people on trolleys as there were no beds available.  Rant over.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Damo70 on June 24, 2017, 01:56:36 PM
That 'report' made me laugh. "I'm all about the clunge at this point in my career" particularly made me LOL.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: brian green on June 24, 2017, 02:06:12 PM
I only tumbled it at the last minute Dave.  Agree about the state of emergency care.  In my daughter's constituency a community 24 hours emergency health centre has been sold for property development.  My daughter crusaded to keep it but lost by 300 votes.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Ads on June 24, 2017, 02:10:08 PM
Fucking John Terry buying up A&E departments. When will enough be enough John?!
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: brian green on June 24, 2017, 02:16:10 PM
I was responding to my friend Dave's post.  We get that you are keen on Terry Ads.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Damo70 on June 24, 2017, 02:20:24 PM
Fucking John Terry buying up A&E departments. When will enough be enough John?!


Surely if any footballer was going to buy up A&E departments it should be Andy Carroll.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: class-of-82 on June 24, 2017, 05:45:47 PM
Wonder what the response on here would be if we bid £150,000,000 for Louis suarez and offered him 250k a week.

Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: AV5nobs on June 24, 2017, 06:33:21 PM
Wonder what the response on here would be if we bid £150,000,000 for Louis suarez and offered him 250k a week.

Class, its all gone quiet!!
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Clampy on June 24, 2017, 06:38:18 PM
Wonder what the response on here would be if we bid £150,000,000 for Louis suarez and offered him 250k a week.

Class, its all gone quiet!!

What do you mean it's all gone quiet? There are people on this site who are happy to see him come here. There are people who are not. What's wrong with that?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: AV5nobs on June 24, 2017, 06:47:04 PM
Absolutely nothing,  don't want him anywhere near us for footballing reasons, not social contradictions.

But it will be interesting how many would be adamant Suarez wouldn't be welcome for scruple reasons.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 24, 2017, 06:55:19 PM
I wouldn't want Suarez either, he's a cheating, racist nutjob. Suarez is one of the few players i'd want to see in a Villa shirt even less than Terry.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Clampy on June 24, 2017, 06:56:23 PM
Like i said, people have their own reason's for not wanting him here and that's fine. I still don't get the 'class, it's all gone quiet' comment. I have a feeling I know what you're aiming for though.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: AV5nobs on June 24, 2017, 07:12:36 PM
Like i said, people have their own reason's for not wanting him here and that's fine. I still don't get the 'class, it's all gone quiet' comment. I have a feeling I know what you're aiming for though.

If we signed Suarez right this second this site would go into overload of excitement, fact.

And every goal scored would be responded with at worst, for those genuinely and respectfully against the man, with a conservative applause.

Big Ron banished from our history yet?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 24, 2017, 07:20:19 PM
Actually it's not fact, it's your opinion. I'd imagine many would be delighted, i'd imagine many wouldn't be. I'd imagine most would wonder how the smeg we'd get round FFP paying that kind of money.

And if it helps, Atkinson was an absolute twat for what he said and I wouldn't want him near VP again either.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: AV5nobs on June 24, 2017, 07:28:48 PM
Actually it's not fact, it's your opinion. I'd imagine many would be delighted, i'd imagine many wouldn't be. I'd imagine most would wonder how the smeg we'd get round FFP paying that kind of money.

And if it helps, Atkinson was an absolute twat for what he said and I wouldn't want him near VP again either.

Couldn't agree more.

Stupid comments however, do not make people inherently racist.

I was in the company of a certain Norwegian Villa "legend" whom made certain comments about females, that would test even the most ardent Villa fans....is sexism worse than racist comments?

Surely every footballer ever putting on a Villa shirt is guilty of some form of stereotypical comment at some point...if we were to wish them all away we would never have had a team nor future.  That's life.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: saunders_heroes on June 24, 2017, 07:54:02 PM
Wonder what the response on here would be if we bid £150,000,000 for Louis suarez and offered him 250k a week.



I'd say, YES!
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Ads on June 24, 2017, 07:56:02 PM
If 2nd division Aston Villa signed one of the best forwards in the world, I think you'd be telling prokies if you weren't excited to see him score goals and also eat an apple through a tennis racket.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 24, 2017, 08:02:42 PM
The only difference between my opinion on us signing Suarez and Terry is questioning the "he'd massively improve us" stuff as he obviously would. I still wouldn't want to sign him though. It's pretty irrelevant though as there's zero chance of us ever finding out.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: AV5nobs on June 24, 2017, 08:10:29 PM
The only difference between my opinion on us signing Suarez and Terry is questioning the "he'd massively improve us" stuff as he obviously would. I still wouldn't want to sign him though. It's pretty irrelevant though as there's zero chance of us ever finding out.

But surely if we are dealing with principles of what people have said or represent, ability past, present or future surely becomes irrelevant.

You stand in the moralistic 1% of people who without lying would stand by "no".

Fair play to you.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 24, 2017, 08:15:07 PM
Well yes, which is why I wouldn't want Suarez despite how good a player he is. I can't speak for anyone else though.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Damo70 on June 24, 2017, 08:17:28 PM
The only difference between my opinion on us signing Suarez and Terry is questioning the "he'd massively improve us" stuff as he obviously would. I still wouldn't want to sign him though. It's pretty irrelevant though as there's zero chance of us ever finding out.

But surely if we are dealing with principles of what people have said or represent, ability past, present or future surely becomes irrelevant.

You stand in the moralistic 1% of people who without lying would stand by "no".

Fair play to you.



I must have my grumpy, pessimistic head on today because my first thought on those comments were that ability past, present or future appear to have been irrelevant at Villa Park in recent times.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: class-of-82 on June 24, 2017, 08:18:22 PM
Also it's a bit like the 8-9 thousand yanited fans at vp in the mid 80s when we was stuffing them all chanting "fergie out fergie out" yet 7-8 years later when they won the prem and few more years later when the won the champions lge not one of them would say they wS there and chanted it.
Bit like the 10,000 villa fans at the hawthorns in the 70s when Regis Cunningham and Batson got pelted with bananas and every villa fan cheered when it happened but I bet not one of you who slag terry off was at the hawthorns that day ? ?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: class-of-82 on June 24, 2017, 08:19:45 PM
Or maybe you was ????
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: AV5nobs on June 24, 2017, 08:20:22 PM
Well yes, which is why I wouldn't want Suarez despite how good a player he is. I can't speak for anyone else though.

Serious question, and it's apparent that you are indignant about these kind of players wearing our beautiful colours, and genuine respect
for that.....here's a scenario. JT esque personality/ background player captains / another striker of similar background scores 20+ goals to gain us promotion - you don't stand there and applaud their goals - you simply stand and refuse to applaud?

Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on June 24, 2017, 08:26:35 PM
As I mentioned earlier I wouldnt want Suarez at all. My ethical principles would be challenged by the fact that unlike all the others on my list Suarez is a good footballer. But I genuinely couldn't enjoy watching Villa play with him in the team so I wouldn't until he was gone.

Aston Villa players dont have to be angels or even nice people for me to support them, but there is a limit. Some players are simply too much of a scumbag to stomach.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 24, 2017, 08:29:58 PM
Until it happens who knows. I was delighted when we scored against sha, it didn't change my opinion of Gabby. I don't have a ST so always have the choice of going to a game or not, but if we sign Terry I have little doubt my appearances at VP will be a lot less than normal.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: AV5nobs on June 24, 2017, 08:30:35 PM
As I mentioned earlier I wouldnt want Suarez at all. My ethical principles would be challenged by the fact that unlike all the others on my list Suarez is a good footballer. But I genuinely couldn't enjoy watching Villa play with him in the team so I wouldn't until he was gone.

Aston Villa players dont have to be angels or even nice people for me to support them, but there is a limit. Some players are simply too much of a scumbag to stomach.

Jesus, you must stay in the house, watch no tv and work with the Red Cross.

If Suarez scored 25 goals and got us back in the premier (with the support from his villa team mates btw) I would name my next child Dracula.

Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: AV5nobs on June 24, 2017, 08:32:42 PM
It's just as well we have a solid amount of season ticket holders who have no choice but to attempt to be supportive, regardless of form, weather or bastards playing for us.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: four fornicholl on June 24, 2017, 08:32:53 PM
As I mentioned earlier I wouldnt want Suarez at all. My ethical principles would be challenged by the fact that unlike all the others on my list Suarez is a good footballer. But I genuinely couldn't enjoy watching Villa play with him in the team so I wouldn't until he was gone.

Aston Villa players dont have to be angels or even nice people for me to support them, but there is a limit. Some players are simply too much of a scumbag to stomach.
If, and its a massive If, Saurez was at the Villa, we would be in the Premier League and the Champions League, that would do for me.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: class-of-82 on June 24, 2017, 08:33:18 PM
AV5nobs
Exactly mate so would ii
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: London Villan on June 24, 2017, 08:33:34 PM
I thought he was signing for Spurs?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 24, 2017, 08:37:00 PM
It's just as well we have a solid amount of season ticket holders who have no choice but to attempt to be supportive, regardless of form, weather or bastards playing for us.

Ah the better fan than yow argument.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: AV5nobs on June 24, 2017, 08:46:38 PM
It's just as well we have a solid amount of season ticket holders who have no choice but to attempt to be supportive, regardless of form, weather or bastards playing for us.

Ah the better fan than yow argument.

Hardly, But comments alluding to reducing ones presence at games due to certain players signing, don't really bode well with some season ticket holders that I know.

I for one am not a season ticket holder and am not perpetuating your alleged debate of loyalty / right of opinion based on games attended.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 24, 2017, 08:50:02 PM
And yet i'm only talking about me, everyone else can do what they want. It's kind of how it works, I do what's right for me, every other fan can do what's right for them. I haven't once criticised anyone or said they are wrong for being fine/ok/happy if Terry signs, just that it's not for me.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: AV5nobs on June 24, 2017, 08:55:09 PM
And yet i'm only talking about me, everyone else can do what they want. It's kind of how it works, I do what's right for me, every other fan can do what's right for them. I haven't once criticised anyone or said they are wrong for being fine/ok/happy if Terry signs, just that it's not for me.

Fair deux.

Good debating.

We all love AVFC.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 24, 2017, 09:01:26 PM
We do indeed.

UTV
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: johnny from donny on June 24, 2017, 09:03:32 PM
I may be daft (ok I'm definitely daft) but I still don't think he'll sign for us.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: ozzjim on June 24, 2017, 09:05:51 PM
We can but hope Johnny
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on June 24, 2017, 09:08:03 PM
As I mentioned earlier I wouldnt want Suarez at all. My ethical principles would be challenged by the fact that unlike all the others on my list Suarez is a good footballer. But I genuinely couldn't enjoy watching Villa play with him in the team so I wouldn't until he was gone.

Aston Villa players dont have to be angels or even nice people for me to support them, but there is a limit. Some players are simply too much of a scumbag to stomach.

Jesus, you must stay in the house, watch no tv and work with the Red Cross.

If Suarez scored 25 goals and got us back in the premier (with the support from his villa team mates btw) I would name my next child Dracula.

Wait..... staying in the house and not watching TV is ethical behaviour? Bloody hell I am a saint and I never knew it :)
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: ozzjim on June 24, 2017, 10:23:46 PM
Torygraph reckon West Brom are still well in the Terry race. Come on Pulis. Get it done.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: boozey182 on June 24, 2017, 10:59:34 PM
Apologies for the tardy response but I would also stop going if we signed Suarez. As I've said before, people go and watch Villa for a whole host of reasons, all equally logical, but signing someone who racially abused people would contradict mine, and I will do anything I can to stop it happening, even if my actions are completely futile. People thinking differently doesn't make them better or worse people or fans.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 24, 2017, 11:03:36 PM
Boycotting is a little too far for me but each to their own.

It's not like he's going to be with us for years and years, 2 years maximum, more likely just a year to get us up.

Did anyone boycott when Bannan got done for drink driving and still continued to play for us? Stan Collymore?

I already feel disconnected from the club for the monumental cock ups they've made on a yearly basis since 2010 so think I can withstand us signing yet another dodgy character who might actually help get us going and winning on the pitch and help to slowly get us back to where we should be.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: boozey182 on June 24, 2017, 11:18:30 PM
Boycotting is a little too far for me but each to their own.

It's not like he's going to be with us for years and years, 2 years maximum, more likely just a year to get us up.

Did anyone boycott when Bannan got done for drink driving and still continued to play for us? Stan Collymore?

I already feel disconnected from the club for the monumental cock ups they've made on a yearly basis since 2010 so think I can withstand us signing yet another dodgy character who might actually help get us going and winning on the pitch and help to slowly get us back to where we should be.

I appreciate what you're saying and drink driving is a horrendous thing to do. I guess for me there are two things that make this situation different. One, very personal reason, is that I've recently had a child. I feel it's my responsibility to him to show him that racism is absolutely not okay. To bring him up supporting a team with John Terry in suggests that what I'm actually saying is "racism is bad but if you're good at football it'll all be alright in the end". If the drink driving thing happened now, I would probably see this differently.

Secondly, and much more morally dubious, is that Bannan committed his crime while he was playing for us. We were stuck with him until we could get rid of him. With Terry, we know what he's like and we're still actively trying to get him to play for us. That, to me, makes it much worse.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: saunders_heroes on June 24, 2017, 11:21:13 PM
Boycotting is a little too far for me but each to their own.

It's not like he's going to be with us for years and years, 2 years maximum, more likely just a year to get us up.

Did anyone boycott when Bannan got done for drink driving and still continued to play for us? Stan Collymore?

I already feel disconnected from the club for the monumental cock ups they've made on a yearly basis since 2010 so think I can withstand us signing yet another dodgy character who might actually help get us going and winning on the pitch and help to slowly get us back to where we should be.

I appreciate what you're saying and drink driving is a horrendous thing to do. I guess for me there are two things that make this situation different. One, very personal reason, is that I've recently had a child. I feel it's my responsibility to him to show him that racism is absolutely not okay. To bring him up supporting a team with John Terry in suggests that what I'm actually saying is "racism is bad but if you're good at football it'll all be alright in the end". If the drink driving thing happened now, I would probably see this differently.

Secondly, and much more morally dubious, is that Bannan committed his crime while he was playing for us. We were stuck with him until we could get rid of him. With Terry, we know what he's like and we're still actively trying to get him to play for us. That, to me, makes it much worse.

Other than the Ferdinand incident I don't remember any other racist incidents involving Terry though.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: boozey182 on June 24, 2017, 11:25:29 PM
Boycotting is a little too far for me but each to their own.

It's not like he's going to be with us for years and years, 2 years maximum, more likely just a year to get us up.

Did anyone boycott when Bannan got done for drink driving and still continued to play for us? Stan Collymore?

I already feel disconnected from the club for the monumental cock ups they've made on a yearly basis since 2010 so think I can withstand us signing yet another dodgy character who might actually help get us going and winning on the pitch and help to slowly get us back to where we should be.

I appreciate what you're saying and drink driving is a horrendous thing to do. I guess for me there are two things that make this situation different. One, very personal reason, is that I've recently had a child. I feel it's my responsibility to him to show him that racism is absolutely not okay. To bring him up supporting a team with John Terry in suggests that what I'm actually saying is "racism is bad but if you're good at football it'll all be alright in the end". If the drink driving thing happened now, I would probably see this differently.

Secondly, and much more morally dubious, is that Bannan committed his crime while he was playing for us. We were stuck with him until we could get rid of him. With Terry, we know what he's like and we're still actively trying to get him to play for us. That, to me, makes it much worse.

Other than the Ferdinand incident I don't remember any other racist incidents involving Terry though.

Personally, that's enough. But I think there was also an incident involving Ledley King.

Being a footballer, you are idolised by millions of people and paid millions of pounds, living a life that most of us could only dream of. Is it too much to ask you go your whole career without saying anything racist? Is our expectancy of public figures so low that even that is considered too much to ask?!
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: saunders_heroes on June 24, 2017, 11:27:31 PM
How do you know he hasn't changed? Do you believe someone should be punished for their misdemeanours for ever?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: boozey182 on June 24, 2017, 11:29:39 PM
How do you know he hasn't changed? Do you believe someone should be punished for their misdemeanours for ever?
No. Just for the record, I don't want him punished. But I don't believe my club should make someone that has been guilty of that one of their highest paid players. Sorry if that wasn't clear.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Damo70 on June 24, 2017, 11:31:07 PM
How do you know he hasn't changed? Do you believe someone should be punished for their misdemeanours for ever?


Yes. It is God's will. Otherwise the Small Heath fans wouldn't have gone through everything they have over the years. ;)
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: saunders_heroes on June 24, 2017, 11:36:16 PM
How do you know he hasn't changed? Do you believe someone should be punished for their misdemeanours for ever?
No. Just for the record, I don't want him punished. But I don't believe my club should make someone that has been guilty of that one of their highest paid players. Sorry if that wasn't clear.

Well he was found guilty by the FA but not guilty by a court of law which suggests the racist thing isn't as clear cut as people are making out.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: boozey182 on June 24, 2017, 11:45:05 PM
How do you know he hasn't changed? Do you believe someone should be punished for their misdemeanours for ever?
No. Just for the record, I don't want him punished. But I don't believe my club should make someone that has been guilty of that one of their highest paid players. Sorry if that wasn't clear.

Well he was found guilty by the FA but not guilty by a court of law which suggests the racist thing isn't as clear cut as people are making out.

That's true, it's not quite clean cut. Someone sent me the link below, the verdict from the trial in full, the other day. It's probably best people read that and draw their own conclusions. Personally, he comes across as someone I don't want at my club, but as I keep saying, that's just my personal opinion that I don't expect everyone to share.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/chelsea/9398132/John-Terry-found-not-guilty-of-racism-the-verdict-in-full.html

Apologies for the long link.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 24, 2017, 11:45:23 PM
If 2nd division Aston Villa signed one of the best forwards in the world, I think you'd be telling prokies if you weren't excited to see him score goals and also eat an apple through a tennis racket.

I, for one, am shocked that right wing Tory-voting members of this forum have a laissez-faire attitude towards racism.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Damo70 on June 24, 2017, 11:45:38 PM
How do you know he hasn't changed? Do you believe someone should be punished for their misdemeanours for ever?
No. Just for the record, I don't want him punished. But I don't believe my club should make someone that has been guilty of that one of their highest paid players. Sorry if that wasn't clear.

Well he was found guilty by the FA but not guilty by a court of law which suggests the racist thing isn't as clear cut as people are making out.



I took an employment law course once and if you want to discipline or sack somebody you don't need anywhere near the evidence as in a court of law. There was actually a percentage of certainty which was satisfactory for the former and a far bigger percentage for the latter.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: saunders_heroes on June 24, 2017, 11:52:07 PM
If 2nd division Aston Villa signed one of the best forwards in the world, I think you'd be telling prokies if you weren't excited to see him score goals and also eat an apple through a tennis racket.

I, for one, am shocked that right wing Tory-voting members of this forum have a laissez-faire attitude towards racism.


Oh come on he's hardly a rabble rouser like Tommy Robinson uploading racist rants onto YouTube now is he, he's a footballer who said an alledged racist insult in the heat of the moment in a PL football match. A bit of perspective eh?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: ozzjim on June 24, 2017, 11:55:10 PM
How do you know he hasn't changed? Do you believe someone should be punished for their misdemeanours for ever?
No. Just for the record, I don't want him punished. But I don't believe my club should make someone that has been guilty of that one of their highest paid players. Sorry if that wasn't clear.

Well he was found guilty by the FA but not guilty by a court of law which suggests the racist thing isn't as clear cut as people are making out.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/chelsea/9398132/John-Terry-found-not-guilty-of-racism-the-verdict-in-full.html

He maintained he said it because he was accused of it.... not the most convincing defence. I don't think he can be defended on it.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: ozzjim on June 24, 2017, 11:56:44 PM
If 2nd division Aston Villa signed one of the best forwards in the world, I think you'd be telling prokies if you weren't excited to see him score goals and also eat an apple through a tennis racket.

I, for one, am shocked that right wing Tory-voting members of this forum have a laissez-faire attitude towards racism.


Oh come on he's hardly a rabble rouser like Tommy Robinson uploading racist rants onto YouTube now is he, he's a footballer who said an alledged racist insult in the heat of the moment in a PL football match. A bit of perspective eh?

Alleged?? I am not having that. He admitted to saying it.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 24, 2017, 11:58:01 PM
I never associated him with that sort of nonsense and I never would. We disagree on politics but I don't consider him a Nazi, FFS.

Like I don't consider most of the Conservative Party to be Nazis.

It goes without saying, though, that they have a high tolerance for racism.

Good luck though to Pickaninnie Ads and his watermelon smile.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: saunders_heroes on June 24, 2017, 11:58:52 PM
How do you know he hasn't changed? Do you believe someone should be punished for their misdemeanours for ever?
No. Just for the record, I don't want him punished. But I don't believe my club should make someone that has been guilty of that one of their highest paid players. Sorry if that wasn't clear.

Well he was found guilty by the FA but not guilty by a court of law which suggests the racist thing isn't as clear cut as people are making out.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/chelsea/9398132/John-Terry-found-not-guilty-of-racism-the-verdict-in-full.html

He maintained he said it because he was accused of it.... not the most convincing defence. I don't think he can be defended on it.

Found not guilty though. Even if he did say it it's hardly the worst case of racism we've ever seen. Things are said in the heat of the moment that aren't meant. If he was as bad as many on here are making out then surely his black team mates have kicked up a fuss and refused to play with him, but nothing like that happened at all.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: saunders_heroes on June 24, 2017, 11:59:47 PM
If 2nd division Aston Villa signed one of the best forwards in the world, I think you'd be telling prokies if you weren't excited to see him score goals and also eat an apple through a tennis racket.

I, for one, am shocked that right wing Tory-voting members of this forum have a laissez-faire attitude towards racism.


Oh come on he's hardly a rabble rouser like Tommy Robinson uploading racist rants onto YouTube now is he, he's a footballer who said an alledged racist insult in the heat of the moment in a PL football match. A bit of perspective eh?

Alleged?? I am not having that. He admitted to saying it.

From what I've read in the past he admitted saying it but not in the context he was accused of by Ferdinand.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: saunders_heroes on June 25, 2017, 12:01:31 AM
I never associated him with that sort of nonsense and I never would. We disagree on politics but I don't consider him a Nazi, FFS.

Like I don't consider most of the Conservative Party to be Nazis.

It goes without saying, though, that they have a high tolerance for racism.

Good luck though to Pickaninnie Ads and his watermelon smile.

Sorry, I was on about Terry. You'll never find me sticking up for Ads. ;-)
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: ozzjim on June 25, 2017, 12:04:38 AM
How do you know he hasn't changed? Do you believe someone should be punished for their misdemeanours for ever?
No. Just for the record, I don't want him punished. But I don't believe my club should make someone that has been guilty of that one of their highest paid players. Sorry if that wasn't clear.

Well he was found guilty by the FA but not guilty by a court of law which suggests the racist thing isn't as clear cut as people are making out.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/chelsea/9398132/John-Terry-found-not-guilty-of-racism-the-verdict-in-full.html

He maintained he said it because he was accused of it.... not the most convincing defence. I don't think he can be defended on it.

Found not guilty though. Even if he did say it it's hardly the worst case of racism we've ever seen. Things are said in the heat of the moment that aren't meant. If he was as bad as many on here are making out then surely his black team mates have kicked up a fuss and refused to play with him, but nothing like that happened at all.

If someone said it to my daughter, who is indeed black, I would consider them a nasty racist arsehole for the rest of their days, as I would be very suspicious of those who decide that "fucking black ******" is hardly the worst case of racism we have seen. Have a fucking word with yourself.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 25, 2017, 12:04:43 AM
I prefer Ads to Terry.

I'm fairly certain that Ads has never called any of his colleagues a fucking black ******.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 25, 2017, 12:05:42 AM
I'm amazed that we still have fans standing up for this shit.

Shame on you.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: django on June 25, 2017, 12:11:09 AM
Yeah, he called him a 'black ******' but not in a racist way. Amazingly in 2017 people think that's ok.
In case you think I'm just a pant wetting liberal, it's considered bad enough that Phil jones has been picked ahead of him for England. Phil jones.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: saunders_heroes on June 25, 2017, 12:12:00 AM
I'm amazed that we still have fans standing up for this shit.

Shame on you.

Bollocks to you. I'm not standing up for racists, but unlike you I don't write people off for the rest of their lives because of a racist comment. It's possible for people to redeem themselves you know.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: ozzjim on June 25, 2017, 12:13:53 AM
I'm amazed that we still have fans standing up for this shit.

Shame on you.

Bollocks to you. I'm not standing up for racists, but unlike you I don't write people off for the rest of their lives because of a racist comment. It's possible for people to redeem themselves you know.

You are though SH. You are trying to claim its not that bad what was said, and even tried the "alleged" route to make it seem he may not have said it at all. He did. Bollocks to you mate. You are a long way on the wrong side of this.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 25, 2017, 12:18:38 AM
If people are fine with him coming, that's their choice. I'm obviously not fine with it but won't insult etc those with a different view. Maybe both sides could and should try and do that?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: saunders_heroes on June 25, 2017, 12:18:56 AM
I'm amazed that we still have fans standing up for this shit.

Shame on you.

Bollocks to you. I'm not standing up for racists, but unlike you I don't write people off for the rest of their lives because of a racist comment. It's possible for people to redeem themselves you know.

You are though SH. You are trying to claim its not that bad what was said, and even tried the "alleged" route to make it seem he may not have said it at all. He did. Bollocks to you mate. You are a long way on the wrong side of this.

No im not, I'm saying that someone shouldn't be punished for the rest of their life because of one alledged racist comment which he was found not guilty of in a court.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 25, 2017, 12:20:24 AM
I'm amazed that we still have fans standing up for this shit.

Shame on you.

Bollocks to you. I'm not standing up for racists, but unlike you I don't write people off for the rest of their lives because of a racist comment. It's possible for people to redeem themselves you know.

Bollocks to you, you massive racist apologist.

Feel free to point me in the direction of all the times that Benito Terry tried to redeen hinseld by seeing the error of his ways and apologising.

You're pathetically blinded by your need to see him here and unwilling to consider the feelings of those of us that hate racism.

Your tolerance of racism reflects badly on you.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: saunders_heroes on June 25, 2017, 12:20:52 AM
If people are fine with him coming, that's their choice. I'm obviously not fine with it but won't insult etc those with a different view. Maybe both sides could and should try and do that?

I took offence because he claimed I should be ashamed of myself for giving the benefit of the doubt to a footballer we're probably about to sign.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: saunders_heroes on June 25, 2017, 12:21:10 AM
I'm amazed that we still have fans standing up for this shit.

Shame on you.

Bollocks to you. I'm not standing up for racists, but unlike you I don't write people off for the rest of their lives because of a racist comment. It's possible for people to redeem themselves you know.

Bollocks to you, you massive racist apologist.

Feel free to point me in the direction of all the times that Benito Terry tried to redeen hinseld by seeing the error of his ways and apologising.

You're pathetically blinded by your need to see him here and unwilling to consider the feelings of those of us that hate racism.

Your tolerance of racism reflects badly on you.

Jesus wept.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 25, 2017, 12:23:06 AM
How about taking a deep breath and calling it a night on this thread folks? I'd much prefer that option than having to ban anyone over John sodding Terry.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: saunders_heroes on June 25, 2017, 12:24:09 AM
Benito Terry. Ha!
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 25, 2017, 12:24:34 AM
I'm amazed that we still have fans standing up for this shit.

Shame on you.

Bollocks to you. I'm not standing up for racists, but unlike you I don't write people off for the rest of their lives because of a racist comment. It's possible for people to redeem themselves you know.

Bollocks to you, you massive racist apologist.

Feel free to point me in the direction of all the times that Benito Terry tried to redeen hinseld by seeing the error of his ways and apologising.

You're pathetically blinded by your need to see him here and unwilling to consider the feelings of those of us that hate racism.

Your tolerance of racism reflects badly on you.

Jesus wept.

I'll just assume that means you don't have a response that reflects well on you, you racist apologist.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: boozey182 on June 25, 2017, 12:25:13 AM
I'm amazed that we still have fans standing up for this shit.

Shame on you.

Bollocks to you. I'm not standing up for racists, but unlike you I don't write people off for the rest of their lives because of a racist comment. It's possible for people to redeem themselves you know.

You are though SH. You are trying to claim its not that bad what was said, and even tried the "alleged" route to make it seem he may not have said it at all. He did. Bollocks to you mate. You are a long way on the wrong side of this.

No im not, I'm saying that someone shouldn't be punished for the rest of their life because of one alledged racist comment which he was found not guilty of in a court.

I think there is a massive difference between people not wanting a multi millionaire to get a lucrative contract at the club they love and someone being punished for the rest of their lives. John Terry served his ban for what he did. It doesn't mean I want him representing Aston Villa though. I like to think we're better than him.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: ozzjim on June 25, 2017, 12:25:44 AM
I'm amazed that we still have fans standing up for this shit.

Shame on you.

Bollocks to you. I'm not standing up for racists, but unlike you I don't write people off for the rest of their lives because of a racist comment. It's possible for people to redeem themselves you know.

You are though SH. You are trying to claim its not that bad what was said, and even tried the "alleged" route to make it seem he may not have said it at all. He did. Bollocks to you mate. You are a long way on the wrong side of this.

No im not, I'm saying that someone shouldn't be punished for the rest of their life because of one alledged racist comment which he was found not guilty of in a court.

He admitted he said it. Context is alleged.

You are finding reasons to diminish what was said. And are rightly being called out on it.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: boozey182 on June 25, 2017, 12:27:00 AM
Sorry, just seen the post about calling it a night.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 25, 2017, 12:28:29 AM
Debate about him all everyone likes, leave the insults at each other out though. You've all been here long enough to know how that will end, and we'd much prefer if it didn't.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: saunders_heroes on June 25, 2017, 12:29:30 AM
I'm amazed that we still have fans standing up for this shit.

Shame on you.

Bollocks to you. I'm not standing up for racists, but unlike you I don't write people off for the rest of their lives because of a racist comment. It's possible for people to redeem themselves you know.

You are though SH. You are trying to claim its not that bad what was said, and even tried the "alleged" route to make it seem he may not have said it at all. He did. Bollocks to you mate. You are a long way on the wrong side of this.

No im not, I'm saying that someone shouldn't be punished for the rest of their life because of one alledged racist comment which he was found not guilty of in a court.

He admitted he said it. Context is alleged.

You are finding reasons to diminish what was said. And are rightly being called out on it.

Didn't he say he repeated what Ferdinand thought he said to him? Not as clear cut as being made out on here is it? Perhaps that's why he was found not guilty in court?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 25, 2017, 12:30:08 AM
Still waiting for someone to point me in the direction of the time Terry apologised for being racist and learned the error of his ways.

If he didn't apologise... it's possible, just possible, that he wasn't sorry and harbours genuinely racist views.

I'm sure Saunders Heroes will be along any second now to refute such accusations with intellectual discourse such as "Jesus wept, I have no idea what the fuck I'm taking about".
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: saunders_heroes on June 25, 2017, 12:31:20 AM
Well he denied he was racist, so if he denies he's racist then he's hardly gonna apologise for being racist is he?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: KevinGage on June 25, 2017, 12:31:23 AM
It's not great, having to wade through a court ruling of that nature to decide if a prospective signing is quite bad or very bad, is it?

If this was a Leeds> Cantona scenario when they took a punt on a head-the-ball at the top of his game, that's one thing.  But we're sifting through all this for a broken down, beaten up John Terry.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 25, 2017, 12:33:07 AM
Well he denied he was racist, so if he denies he's racist then he's hardly gonna apologise for being racist is he?

Fucking Hell mate.

You seem to be a bit thick so I'll keep it simple for you.

When did he apologise for calling a fellow professional "a fucking black ******"?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: saunders_heroes on June 25, 2017, 12:33:41 AM
It's not great, having to wade through a court ruling of that nature to decide if a prospective signing is quite bad or very bad, is it?

If this was a Leeds> Cantona scenario when they took a punt on a head-the-ball at the top of his game, that's one thing.  But we're sifting through all this for a broken down, beaten up John Terry.

True, but this is Villa in 2017 and we're not PL anymore. He'd probably improve the team as well.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 25, 2017, 12:34:34 AM
Well he denied he was racist, so if he denies he's racist then he's hardly gonna apologise for being racist is he?

Fucking Hell mate.

You seem to be a bit thick so I'll keep it simple for you.

When did he apologise for calling a fellow professional "a fucking black c***"?

We won't ask again, knock off the insults.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: saunders_heroes on June 25, 2017, 12:35:06 AM
Well he denied he was racist, so if he denies he's racist then he's hardly gonna apologise for being racist is he?

Fucking Hell mate.

You seem to be a bit thick so I'll keep it simple for you.

When did he apologise for calling a fellow professional "a fucking black c***"?

But as I said earlier he claimed he just repeated what Ferdinand thought Terry said to him. He denied it, so he's hardly gonna apologise is he? Crikey!
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 25, 2017, 12:36:22 AM
He denied it, because he's a racist. He's on camera saying "fucking black ******".

Bantz?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: saunders_heroes on June 25, 2017, 12:38:33 AM
He denied it, because he's a racist. He's on camera saying "fucking black c***".

Bantz?

If it was as clear cut as you're suggesting then why was he cleared in court?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 25, 2017, 12:39:32 AM
Well he denied he was racist, so if he denies he's racist then he's hardly gonna apologise for being racist is he?

Fucking Hell mate.

You seem to be a bit thick so I'll keep it simple for you.

When did he apologise for calling a fellow professional "a fucking black c***"?

We won't ask again, knock off the insults.

I'd rather you moderated the racists than those of us that oppose a racist.

But... I consider you a friend. And I don't want to put you in the awkward position of having to ban me so I'll carry this on another time.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: ozzjim on June 25, 2017, 12:40:01 AM
Read the ruling through. He was not guilty due to a well constructed defence (not the first time clear guilt does not get prosecuted after a defence team work their magic), not because the judge considered him not guilty, and he called Terry's defence improbable. You are clutching at straws and I find your entire stance on this as pretty dire in all honesty. To essentially turn a blind eye to something because he would improve the team is not something I really want Villa to do to me. It is for them down the road. Not us.

On a football side, he play 400 minutes last season and engineered his own send off after 26 minutes in the final game, which bookies reported to having take a flurry of large bets on in the run up to the game.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: saunders_heroes on June 25, 2017, 12:40:12 AM
Well he denied he was racist, so if he denies he's racist then he's hardly gonna apologise for being racist is he?

Fucking Hell mate.

You seem to be a bit thick so I'll keep it simple for you.

When did he apologise for calling a fellow professional "a fucking black c***"?

We won't ask again, knock off the insults.

I'd rather you moderated the racists than those of us that oppose a racist.

But... I consider you a friend. And I don't want to put you in the awkward position of having to ban me so I'll carry this on another time.

I'm not racist!
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Clampy on June 25, 2017, 12:40:48 AM
He denied it, because he's a racist. He's on camera saying "fucking black c***".

Bantz?

We know your views on this and you've done the right thing in emailing the club and letting them know how you feel. Why not leave it at that?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 25, 2017, 12:43:00 AM
I've already said I'm leaving it for the night, in the interests of peace.

Chillax, blood.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: saunders_heroes on June 25, 2017, 12:47:01 AM
Read the ruling through. He was not guilty due to a well constructed defence (not the first time clear guilt does not get prosecuted after a defence team work their magic), not because the judge considered him not guilty, and he called Terry's defence improbable. You are clutching at straws and I find your entire stance on this as pretty dire in all honesty. To essentially turn a blind eye to something because he would improve the team is not something I really want Villa to do to me. It is for them down the road. Not us.

On a football side, he play 400 minutes last season and engineered his own send off after 26 minutes in the final game, which bookies reported to having take a flurry of large bets on in the run up to the game.

I've got to admit I've never liked Terry but he was one hell of a centreback and even at his age he could still bring something positive to the team. As for the racist insult, even if he was found guilty I'd still give him a second chance. I don't think you can punish someone for the rest of their lives. Redemption is possible for anyone.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: paul_e on June 25, 2017, 12:51:02 AM
Well he denied he was racist, so if he denies he's racist then he's hardly gonna apologise for being racist is he?

Fucking Hell mate.

You seem to be a bit thick so I'll keep it simple for you.

When did he apologise for calling a fellow professional "a fucking black c***"?

But as I said earlier he claimed he just repeated what Ferdinand thought Terry said to him. He denied it, so he's hardly gonna apologise is he? Crikey!

Put yourself in the situation for a second, if you're accused of something and there's indisputable evidence showing you did it but with enough missing context to avoid a conviction, do you deny it outright or do you say "I'm sorry, it was a misunderstanding that got out of hand and I'd like it to be clear that... blah, blah, blah".  The truth is a decent person with any sense of morality would do the latter, a pampered twat who thinks his ability to kick a ball makes him untouchable does the former.

I've said before my issue with him is that I think his legs have gone and it's a Pires level mistake to sign him but I think trying to defend what he said in the way 2-3 people have on this thread is bizarre, the guy is quite clearly a massive c**t, if you think he's good enough and willing to overlook him being a c**t then just say that, it's a position you can defend without it looking bad on you unlike some of the arguments on this thread.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: saunders_heroes on June 25, 2017, 12:55:50 AM
Well he denied he was racist, so if he denies he's racist then he's hardly gonna apologise for being racist is he?

Fucking Hell mate.

You seem to be a bit thick so I'll keep it simple for you.

When did he apologise for calling a fellow professional "a fucking black c***"?

But as I said earlier he claimed he just repeated what Ferdinand thought Terry said to him. He denied it, so he's hardly gonna apologise is he? Crikey!

Put yourself in the situation for a second, if you're accused of something and there's indisputable evidence showing you did it but with enough missing context to avoid a conviction, do you deny it outright or do you say "I'm sorry, it was a misunderstanding that got out of hand and I'd like it to be clear that... blah, blah, blah".  The truth is a decent person with any sense of morality would do the latter, a pampered twat who thinks his ability to kick a ball makes him untouchable does the former.

I've said before my issue with him is that I think his legs have gone and it's a Pires level mistake to sign him but I think trying to defend what he said in the way 2-3 people have on this thread is bizarre, the guy is quite clearly a massive c**t, if you think he's good enough and willing to overlook him being a c**t then just say that, it's a position you can defend without it looking bad on you unlike some of the arguments on this thread.

I think I just summed up my feelings re Terry in my previous post.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: tomd2103 on June 25, 2017, 12:56:40 AM
This still just doesn't feel right on a number of levels.  On the playing side, it is still a very expensive gamble on him still having enough left in the tank for at least one more season of Championship football.  I still view it as a risk not worth taking.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: saunders_heroes on June 25, 2017, 12:57:25 AM
This still just doesn't feel right on a number of levels.  On the playing side, it is still a very expensive gamble on him still having enough left in the tank for at least one more season of Championship football.  I still view it as a risk not worth taking.

I just think he'd bring a winning mentality to the team.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Ads on June 25, 2017, 12:57:33 AM
I never associated him with that sort of nonsense and I never would. We disagree on politics but I don't consider him a Nazi, FFS.

Like I don't consider most of the Conservative Party to be Nazis.

It goes without saying, though, that they have a high tolerance for racism.

Good luck though to Pickaninnie Ads and his watermelon smile.

SHQ made the point about people who have done far worse; drink driving and violently abusing women. I know of two Villa players who've done that. Somebody else mentioned personal experience because they've had a child.

My family suffered at the hands of a drink driver with the most awful of outcomes. I still went berserk in Vienna when wee Barry scored. I'd go nuts if (indulging the hypothetical fantasy) Suarez came to score his 100s of goals.

I'm not tolerating racism nor am I tolerating drink driving or offences against the person or pegging or any of the brief glimpses of good and bad we get at these people. People change, maybe they stay the same. Either way, I don't know or suffer any of them and I'd hope if they were to transgress in their employment, for whatever reason then appropriate action would be taken.

I'm sure you were joking about the rest and if not oh well, people can think what they like.

I think John Terry is a dick, but sometimes dicks fuck assholes and if they didn't, they'd shit over all of us. Fuck yeah.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: tomd2103 on June 25, 2017, 01:14:04 AM
This still just doesn't feel right on a number of levels.  On the playing side, it is still a very expensive gamble on him still having enough left in the tank for at least one more season of Championship football.  I still view it as a risk not worth taking.

I just think he'd bring a winning mentality to the team.

He wouldn't if he breaks down after a couple of matches and is out for months on end.  Pay as you play kind of deal then it might be a different story on the football front.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: tomd2103 on June 25, 2017, 01:25:57 AM
I never associated him with that sort of nonsense and I never would. We disagree on politics but I don't consider him a Nazi, FFS.

Like I don't consider most of the Conservative Party to be Nazis.

It goes without saying, though, that they have a high tolerance for racism.

Good luck though to Pickaninnie Ads and his watermelon smile.

SHQ made the point about people who have done far worse; drink driving and violently abusing women. I know of two Villa players who've done that. Somebody else mentioned personal experience because they've had a child.

My family suffered at the hands of a drink driver with the most awful of outcomes. I still went berserk in Vienna when wee Barry scored. I'd go nuts if (indulging the hypothetical fantasy) Suarez came to score his 100s of goals.

I'm not tolerating racism nor am I tolerating drink driving or offences against the person or pegging or any of the brief glimpses of good and bad we get at these people. People change, maybe they stay the same. Either way, I don't know or suffer any of them and I'd hope if they were to transgress in their employment, for whatever reason then appropriate action would be taken.

I'm sure you were joking about the rest and if not oh well, people can think what they like.

I think John Terry is a dick, but sometimes dicks fuck assholes and if they didn't, they'd shit over all of us. Fuck yeah.

I think there are two different questions involved in this type of situation though Ads.  Look at the case of Luke McCormack at Plymouth - got drunk at a wedding, drove home in a fit of rage following an argument with his partner and forced another vehicle off the road killing two young children and causing life changing injuries to their father.  Went to prison for it, but was young enough to resume a playing career on release.

In that situation, I think there are two questions:

A) should he have been able to resume his playing career?
B) would you want him playing for your team?

People would have different answers for those questions I guess.  Some would answer no to both, some might answer yes to the first one and no to the second and some might answer yes to both. 
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 25, 2017, 01:32:09 AM
I know of Worcester City fans that won't go to games while Lee Hughes is with them, a few hundred turn at Bromsgrove every other week to still watch them. People do what they believe is right. As it should be.

I should add that some boycott Worcester because of the situation the club is in rather than because of Hughes.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 25, 2017, 01:49:49 AM
Speaking of Worcester, kind of amuses me. For those that don't know they now groundshare with Bromsgrove, and have been relegated a few divisions and are now in the same league as us. For the 'away' game at Worcester, Bromsgrove fans will pay more to enter their own ground than they do for home games. Bromsgrove charge £7, Worcester £8.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: robbo1874 on June 25, 2017, 06:04:17 AM
How do you know he hasn't changed? Do you believe someone should be punished for their misdemeanours for ever?
No. Just for the record, I don't want him punished. But I don't believe my club should make someone that has been guilty of that one of their highest paid players. Sorry if that wasn't clear.

Well he was found guilty by the FA but not guilty by a court of law which suggests the racist thing isn't as clear cut as people are making out.
that may be true, I still found him guilty of being a massive ****** in my own personal court of law though.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Damo70 on June 25, 2017, 09:07:44 AM
I never associated him with that sort of nonsense and I never would. We disagree on politics but I don't consider him a Nazi, FFS.

Like I don't consider most of the Conservative Party to be Nazis.

It goes without saying, though, that they have a high tolerance for racism.

Good luck though to Pickaninnie Ads and his watermelon smile.

SHQ made the point about people who have done far worse; drink driving and violently abusing women. I know of two Villa players who've done that. Somebody else mentioned personal experience because they've had a child.

My family suffered at the hands of a drink driver with the most awful of outcomes. I still went berserk in Vienna when wee Barry scored. I'd go nuts if (indulging the hypothetical fantasy) Suarez came to score his 100s of goals.

I'm not tolerating racism nor am I tolerating drink driving or offences against the person or pegging or any of the brief glimpses of good and bad we get at these people. People change, maybe they stay the same. Either way, I don't know or suffer any of them and I'd hope if they were to transgress in their employment, for whatever reason then appropriate action would be taken.

I'm sure you were joking about the rest and if not oh well, people can think what they like.

I think John Terry is a dick, but sometimes dicks fuck assholes and if they didn't, they'd shit over all of us. Fuck yeah.

I think there are two different questions involved in this type of situation though Ads.  Look at the case of Luke McCormack at Plymouth - got drunk at a wedding, drove home in a fit of rage following an argument with his partner and forced another vehicle off the road killing two young children and causing life changing injuries to their father.  Went to prison for it, but was young enough to resume a playing career on release.

In that situation, I think there are two questions:

A) should he have been able to resume his playing career?
B) would you want him playing for your team?

People would have different answers for those questions I guess.  Some would answer no to both, some might answer yes to the first one and no to the second and some might answer yes to both.




I used to have occasional business dealings with someone who knew Luke McCormack. He said he was a broken man and he didn't think he would ever get over the guilt.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: eamonn on June 25, 2017, 10:56:00 AM
I think John Terry is a dick, but sometimes dicks fuck assholes and if they didn't, they'd shit over all of us. Fuck yeah.

Eeeew, that's gross!
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Villatillidie1982 on June 25, 2017, 11:29:41 AM
John Terry is now slow and past it. Why would Villa want him unless he can encourage the rest of the team to up their game? Given his history can he earn therespect of the other players? Probably not.

It's a lot of money that could be better spent elsewhere,
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: KevinGage on June 25, 2017, 11:51:30 AM
We're already the biggest scalp in this division, but imagine the appeal for a young and up and coming forward (or any two bit forward, for that matter) to run the ex England captain ragged and make a name for yourself.  Like having a duke out with a named boxer when his career is on the wane.

Terry's at the stage of his career where even a Cameron Jerome or that big shithouse at B-lose with the blue hair will cause him bother.

All transfers carry risk. But this one has more potential downsides than up.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: lovejoy on June 25, 2017, 12:24:54 PM
Have we learnt nothing from the Joyleon Lescott saga?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: SteveN on June 25, 2017, 12:37:55 PM
I'd like to think we are a stalking horse and he will end up at Swansea, WBA or somewhere similiar in the premiership.  I can but hope.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on June 25, 2017, 01:15:52 PM
Have we learnt nothing from the Joyleon Lescott saga?

It would appear not

I dont think he will come then you wonder if we will end up with samba
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Damo70 on June 25, 2017, 01:30:12 PM
Have we learnt nothing from the Joyleon Lescott saga?

It would appear not

I dont think he will come then you wonder if we will end up with samba


Thanks for that depressing thought. I know he is a big bloke bit I'm sure the last I saw of him he was carrying a bit too much timber.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: ozzjim on June 25, 2017, 01:40:10 PM
Could end up with both. That would be a scary thought. 
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Three Spires Villa on June 25, 2017, 07:47:49 PM
Could end up with both. That would be a scary thought. 

The mind of Steve Bruce !!
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: brian green on June 25, 2017, 07:54:52 PM
Stuff of nightmares.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: LeeB on June 25, 2017, 07:58:33 PM
Stuff of nightmares.

I'm not jumping for joy, but in a world where Gove, Johnson and Fox hold senior cabinet positions, and country has become an omnishambles, Terry playing centre half for Villa is a long way back in the nightmare queue.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: ozzjim on June 25, 2017, 08:30:53 PM
Alongside Samba? With a couple of nippy forwards in the opposition 11??
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on June 25, 2017, 09:14:02 PM
It's just as well we have a solid amount of season ticket holders who have no choice but to attempt to be supportive, regardless of form, weather or bastards playing for us.

Let's face it we've brought some arseholes we all still keep going. It's that or go up the asda with the Mrs
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Richard E on June 25, 2017, 09:17:40 PM
It's just as well we have a solid amount of season ticket holders who have no choice but to attempt to be supportive, regardless of form, weather or bastards playing for us.

Let's face it we've brought some arseholes we all still keep going. It's that or go up the asda with the Mrs

Nobody is taking my missus up the asda on a Saturday afternoon, thank you very much.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: AV5nobs on June 25, 2017, 09:19:42 PM
I would rather Steve Hodge, Alpay and lescott be in our line up that do any form of shopping on a Saturday.

Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on June 25, 2017, 09:29:18 PM
34 pages in 4 days.With the debate as bitter as any Doug Ellis or Celtic/Rangers thread on H & V, it shows the truest words were said back on page 1.

Even if he doesn't split the dressing room, he's already splitting the fan base.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: AV5nobs on June 25, 2017, 09:34:28 PM
The comments do not reflect the votes that's for sure.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: adrenachrome on June 25, 2017, 09:49:51 PM
It's just as well we have a solid amount of season ticket holders who have no choice but to attempt to be supportive, regardless of form, weather or bastards playing for us.

Let's face it we've brought some arseholes we all still keep going. It's that or go up the asda with the Mrs

Nobody is taking my missus up the asda on a Saturday afternoon, thank you very much.

That would be a cause for concern to be sure, but he takes her up the Aldi the situation is considerably worse.

I won't even mention taking her up the John Lewis, as this is a family friendly forum.

If the culprit takes her up the waitrose then retribution is required.

 
 
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: brian green on June 25, 2017, 10:02:36 PM
Did you hear the true story about Waitrose?  They ran a customer competition to complete a slogan. "I shop at Waitrose because...."

The winning entry was "...because my butler is on holiday."

Meanwhile back to Mr Terry.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Tayls_7 on June 25, 2017, 10:03:35 PM
It's just as well we have a solid amount of season ticket holders who have no choice but to attempt to be supportive, regardless of form, weather or bastards playing for us.

Let's face it we've brought some arseholes we all still keep going. It's that or go up the asda with the Mrs

Nobody is taking my missus up the asda on a Saturday afternoon, thank you very much.

That would be a cause for concern to be sure, but he takes her up the Aldi the situation is considerably worse.

I won't even mention taking her up the John Lewis, as this is a family friendly forum.

If the culprit takes her up the waitrose then retribution is required.

Do we still have Pound Stretchers?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: paul_e on June 25, 2017, 10:04:36 PM
The comments do not reflect the votes that's for sure.

Really?  I think over half saying they don't want him, less than a 3rd saying he'd be a good signing and the rest sitting on the fence is pretty much exactly how I'd read the comments.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: AV5nobs on June 25, 2017, 10:13:44 PM
The comments do not reflect the votes that's for sure.

Really?  I think over half saying they don't want him, less than a 3rd saying he'd be a good signing and the rest sitting on the fence is pretty much exactly how I'd read the comments.

Are you really claiming 0.7% as "over"?  Clutching much?

Just under half are not against him arriving is another way to spin it...but back to my point, the comments of anti JT joining us have been way more than 50% of the voters.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 25, 2017, 10:16:14 PM
The 20% that don't care probably won't be saying muc as, well, they don't care. So the 50% against will probably have more posts than the 30% in favour, as there's more of them.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Richard E on June 25, 2017, 10:16:35 PM
The comments do not reflect the votes that's for sure.

Really?  I think over half saying they don't want him, less than a 3rd saying he'd be a good signing and the rest sitting on the fence is pretty much exactly how I'd read the comments.

Are you really claiming 0.7% as "over"?  Clutching much?

Just under half are not against him arriving is another way to spin it...but back to my point, the comments of anti JT joining us have been way more than 50% of the voters.
50.5% is over half. That's just a fact. 50.000000000001% would be over half.

Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: AV5nobs on June 25, 2017, 10:17:36 PM
There certainly are more of them.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: AV5nobs on June 25, 2017, 10:18:50 PM
The comments do not reflect the votes that's for sure.

Really?  I think over half saying they don't want him, less than a 3rd saying he'd be a good signing and the rest sitting on the fence is pretty much exactly how I'd read the comments.

Are you really claiming 0.7% as "over"?  Clutching much?

Just under half are not against him arriving is another way to spin it...but back to my point, the comments of anti JT joining us have been way more than 50% of the voters.
50.5% is over half. That's just a fact. 50.000000000001% would be over half.

I think you have missed the point on this one.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: yammers on June 25, 2017, 10:26:22 PM
It's just as well we have a solid amount of season ticket holders who have no choice but to attempt to be supportive, regardless of form, weather or bastards playing for us.

Let's face it we've brought some arseholes we all still keep going. It's that or go up the asda with the Mrs

Nobody is taking my missus up the asda on a Saturday afternoon, thank you very much.

That would be a cause for concern to be sure, but he takes her up the Aldi the situation is considerably worse.

I won't even mention taking her up the John Lewis, as this is a family friendly forum.

If the culprit takes her up the waitrose then retribution is required.

Do we still have Pound Stretchers?

Think it's Poundland now!
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: TheMalandro on June 25, 2017, 10:37:00 PM
The comments do not reflect the votes that's for sure.

Really?  I think over half saying they don't want him, less than a 3rd saying he'd be a good signing and the rest sitting on the fence is pretty much exactly how I'd read the comments.

Are you really claiming 0.7% as "over"?  Clutching much?

Just under half are not against him arriving is another way to spin it...but back to my point, the comments of anti JT joining us have been way more than 50% of the voters.
50.5% is over half. That's just a fact. 50.000000000001% would be over half.

I think you have missed the point on this one.

What time is it? I'm feeling so tired.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: paul_e on June 25, 2017, 10:41:44 PM
The comments do not reflect the votes that's for sure.

Really?  I think over half saying they don't want him, less than a 3rd saying he'd be a good signing and the rest sitting on the fence is pretty much exactly how I'd read the comments.

Are you really claiming 0.7% as "over"?  Clutching much?

Just under half are not against him arriving is another way to spin it...but back to my point, the comments of anti JT joining us have been way more than 50% of the voters.
50.5% is over half. That's just a fact. 50.000000000001% would be over half.

I think you have missed the point on this one.

No, you've missed the point, over half is a fact, about 1 in 5 not really caring is another fact.

After that you're trying to suggest that the number of posts should reflect that but that's overly simplistic.  Even people that have said yes are often "he's a twat but he's good", that's not a passionate endorsement, whereas many of the people who don't want him think he's an absolute arsehole who should never be anywhere near the club.  The difference in strength of opinion there is why the posts are skewed.  If you look at it in terms of posters it's, as I say, exactly as you'd expect.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: AV5nobs on June 25, 2017, 10:43:59 PM
Anyway, he's on the way so the poll and comments are now academic.

Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 25, 2017, 11:04:45 PM
I'm so unbothered by this.

That worries me about Villa these days. The degree to which I just shrug my shoulders about the stuff we do and don't get too worked up about it.






obviously, I appreciate this is one of those tedious OMG!!11!!! I just don't care anymore!!! posts.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 25, 2017, 11:06:43 PM
Anyway, he's on the way so the poll and comments are now academic.
Where, ?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: trevor fisher on June 25, 2017, 11:08:11 PM
I would love to hear Bruce say why this is a good move. At 36 and £60k per week I cannot see it is a good addition to the playing staff, nor to having a good influence on the academy. He brings too much baggage. But the dressing room at Villa has a bad reputation, too many players underperform. THe one think Terry has is the will to win.

Dwight Yorke recently said that the players need to 'stand up' and its fair comment. The dressing room looks to be in a state where there are no leaders and no serious commitment to dig in and grind out results. Dwight thought the Championship was 'very easy'. He was a very talented player, not many have his skill. But he always put a shift in, and that seems to be what is missing. Terry does that, for all his faults. If Bruce thinks he can make the work rate go up, I can see the argument.

But Terry does bring baggage, Bruce should explain why when the contract divides the fans he thinks it so important,
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: LeeB on June 25, 2017, 11:08:46 PM
I'm so unbothered by this.

That worries me about Villa these days. The degree to which I just shrug my shoulders about the stuff we do and don't get too worked up about it.






obviously, I appreciate this is one of those tedious OMG!!11!!! I just don't care anymore!!! posts.

U ok Hun? xx
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: olaftab on June 25, 2017, 11:14:44 PM
It's just as well we have a solid amount of season ticket holders who have no choice but to attempt to be supportive, regardless of form, weather or bastards playing for us.

Let's face it we've brought some arseholes we all still keep going. It's that or go up the asda with the Mrs

Nobody is taking my missus up the asda on a Saturday afternoon, thank you very much.
Richard I think that is the new back of Rackhams🤔
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: OCD on June 25, 2017, 11:21:18 PM
I'm so unbothered by this.

That worries me about Villa these days. The degree to which I just shrug my shoulders about the stuff we do and don't get too worked up about it.






obviously, I appreciate this is one of those tedious OMG!!11!!! I just don't care anymore!!! posts.

After a number of painful years I think most of us have developed this mindset as a defence mechanism. It would be nice to see a good few years and then see if everyone's up in arms at the first controversial decision.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: saunders_heroes on June 25, 2017, 11:33:52 PM
Anyway, he's on the way so the poll and comments are now academic.



Christ it's been dragged out long enough now.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: AV5nobs on June 25, 2017, 11:39:44 PM
Correct.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: brentastonb6 on June 25, 2017, 11:46:00 PM
How many supporters didn't want McLeish as manager in a poll ? Whilst those that don't want him clearly don't with a passion only 292 have bothered to vote , hardly the stuff of mass protest. All Villains I speak to don't like John Terry the person but a lot think he could be just the dose a medicine we need because love him or loathe him he's a winner on the football pitch and we need some winning mentality.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: ozzjim on June 25, 2017, 11:49:42 PM
He played very little last season because he was a liability. He is slow, can't turn and not the player he was 2 years ago let alone 4. Baker will look a better bet 6 weeks in, and we will have to go 3 at the back to accommodate him. His passing ability is the only upside. As for this leadership stuff, fine being Mr Chelsea from 17, but coming into a new dressing room I think he will find it a struggle.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: AV5nobs on June 26, 2017, 08:19:48 AM
Anyway, he's on the way so the poll and comments are now academic.
Where, ?

Somewhere very lucrative and over half the fans Won't be welcoming, 50.7% to be exact.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 26, 2017, 08:29:36 AM
I'm glad you've finally grasped the concept of "over half".
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: AV5nobs on June 26, 2017, 08:49:14 AM
I'm glad you've finally grasped the concept of "over half".

And I see you still haven't grasped the concept of irony.

Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 26, 2017, 09:15:00 AM
Ermmm... was it irony in the first seven posts you made whinging that 50.7% was over half?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Jon Crofts on June 26, 2017, 09:50:21 AM
We seem to have reached can't be arsed levels of Joleon Lescott proportions, years and years of utter fucking dross, meaningless soundbites, shunammites, snakes, bongs, hippy crack, relegation, going again & again and this is the next chapter, a sort of relentless grey November drizzle rather than a bright new dawn under Steve & Tony.  Fucks sake, 2 steps forward and 3 steps back again.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: KevinGage on June 26, 2017, 10:26:59 AM
That's it for me too. 

There aren't many upsides to relegation, but one of them should be that it forces you to change your ways. 

Yet Xia looks like he has received the Bumper Book of Club Management from Lerner at Christmas and is following it to the letter.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Chris Smith on June 26, 2017, 11:34:20 AM
Ermmm... was it irony in the first seven posts you made whinging that 50.7% was over half?

I realise that this is a side issue but the numbers are pretty much irrelevant aren't they, with it being such a small sample of the overall supporter base? I am not sure you can extrapolate anything either way to how that relates more widely.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 26, 2017, 11:44:31 AM
Yes, agree with that entirely. I wasn't the one getting into a strop about them, I just joined in, because I was bored.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: paul_e on June 26, 2017, 11:59:45 AM
Ermmm... was it irony in the first seven posts you made whinging that 50.7% was over half?

I realise that this is a side issue but the numbers are pretty much irrelevant aren't they, with it being such a small sample of the overall supporter base? I am not sure you can extrapolate anything either way to how that relates more widely.

but that's not what happened, he said the poll and the comments didn't match up and then suggested I was wrong for saying 50.7% is over half.  All the stuff about sample sizes doesn't matter because that's not what was being discussed.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: AV5nobs on June 26, 2017, 12:04:21 PM
It's 50% now, that's exactly half right?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: RussellC on June 26, 2017, 12:05:24 PM
Yet Xia looks like he has received the Bumper Book of Club Management from Lerner at Christmas and is following it to the letter.

Hugely unfair, IMO. Whatever you think about Xia and his methods, comparing them to those used by his predecessor are way, way wide of the mark. Whatever Xia is, Lerner Mark II is definitely not it.

Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Ad@m on June 26, 2017, 12:05:36 PM
Dwight Yorke recently said that the players need to 'stand up' and its fair comment. The dressing room looks to be in a state where there are no leaders and no serious commitment to dig in and grind out results.

I really don't think that's the issue.  Last season we signed Palace's captain, Forest's captain, Fulham's captain and Barnsley's captain.  And none of them managed to displace our own captain.

The issue is much more the mentality of a manager who seems to want to win every game 1-0.  This is something signing a liability like John Terry won't fix.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: KevinGage on June 26, 2017, 12:28:39 PM
Yet Xia looks like he has received the Bumper Book of Club Management from Lerner at Christmas and is following it to the letter.

Hugely unfair, IMO. Whatever you think about Xia and his methods, comparing them to those used by his predecessor are way, way wide of the mark. Whatever Xia is, Lerner Mark II is definitely not it.



He looks like he is on the Lerner fast-track to me. 

Spunk a shedload of money up front?  Check.  Appoint an uninspiring dullard as a manager? Check.   Do a complete volte face when the implications of FFP hit home and talk about sell to buy?  Check.  Start bringing in broken down 'name' footballers to appease some of the more gullible elements of the fanbase on fat contracts?  Check.

This is a bloke who talked about making Aston Villa one of the top three football clubs in world football little over 12 months ago, let's not forget. I don't see how any of the above would move us into the top 50.

Still, nice twitter fonts.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: AV5nobs on June 26, 2017, 12:39:58 PM
Bring back Doug, top four finishes, league cup triumphs, European tours, full houses.

Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: RussellC on June 26, 2017, 12:42:42 PM
Yet Xia looks like he has received the Bumper Book of Club Management from Lerner at Christmas and is following it to the letter.

Hugely unfair, IMO. Whatever you think about Xia and his methods, comparing them to those used by his predecessor are way, way wide of the mark. Whatever Xia is, Lerner Mark II is definitely not it.



He looks like he is on the Lerner fast-track to me. 

Spunk a shedload of money up front?  Check.  Appoint an uninspiring dullard as a manager? Check.   Do a complete volte face when the implications of FFP hit home and talk about sell to buy?  Check.  Start bringing in broken down 'name' footballers to appease some of the more gullible elements of the fanbase on fat contracts?  Check.

This is a bloke who talked about making Aston Villa one of the top three football clubs in world football little over 12 months ago, let's not forget. I don't see how any of the above would move us into the top 50.

Still, nice twitter fonts.

Isn't he just following a logical approach to get promotion? Out-spend your rivals and appoint a Manager with a successful track-record of getting Promotion? We have to sell-to-buy now a) because of FFP and b) because out squad is far too big as it stands. That's in no way similar to Lerner pulling the plug on squad-funding when he decided he wanted to cut his losses.

Lerner's biggest faults as an Owner were being too loyal to failing managers and not communicating with the Supporters. AS I said, if you want to criticise Xia for any of the above crack-on, but comparing him to Lerner is just not fair.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Clampy on June 26, 2017, 12:47:04 PM
Yet Xia looks like he has received the Bumper Book of Club Management from Lerner at Christmas and is following it to the letter.

Hugely unfair, IMO. Whatever you think about Xia and his methods, comparing them to those used by his predecessor are way, way wide of the mark. Whatever Xia is, Lerner Mark II is definitely not it.



He looks like he is on the Lerner fast-track to me. 

Spunk a shedload of money up front?  Check.  Appoint an uninspiring dullard as a manager? Check.   Do a complete volte face when the implications of FFP hit home and talk about sell to buy?  Check.  Start bringing in broken down 'name' footballers to appease some of the more gullible elements of the fanbase on fat contracts?  Check.

This is a bloke who talked about making Aston Villa one of the top three football clubs in world football little over 12 months ago, let's not forget. I don't see how any of the above would move us into the top 50.

Still, nice twitter fonts.

Blimey, and pre-season hasn't even started yet. Unbelievable.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: paul_e on June 26, 2017, 01:20:07 PM
Yet Xia looks like he has received the Bumper Book of Club Management from Lerner at Christmas and is following it to the letter.

Hugely unfair, IMO. Whatever you think about Xia and his methods, comparing them to those used by his predecessor are way, way wide of the mark. Whatever Xia is, Lerner Mark II is definitely not it.



He looks like he is on the Lerner fast-track to me. 

Spunk a shedload of money up front?  Check.  Appoint an uninspiring dullard as a manager? Check.   Do a complete volte face when the implications of FFP hit home and talk about sell to buy?  Check.  Start bringing in broken down 'name' footballers to appease some of the more gullible elements of the fanbase on fat contracts?  Check.

This is a bloke who talked about making Aston Villa one of the top three football clubs in world football little over 12 months ago, let's not forget. I don't see how any of the above would move us into the top 50.

Still, nice twitter fonts.

Isn't he just following a logical approach to get promotion? Out-spend your rivals and appoint a Manager with a successful track-record of getting Promotion? We have to sell-to-buy now a) because of FFP and b) because out squad is far too big as it stands. That's in no way similar to Lerner pulling the plug on squad-funding when he decided he wanted to cut his losses.

Lerner's biggest faults as an Owner were being too loyal to failing managers and not communicating with the Supporters. AS I said, if you want to criticise Xia for any of the above crack-on, but comparing him to Lerner is just not fair.

Like a manager who was brought in to get promotion and finished bottom half?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: RussellC on June 26, 2017, 01:59:08 PM
Like a manager who was brought in to get promotion and finished bottom half?

And would you expect Bruce to last beyond Xmas if automatic promotion isn't looking likely at that stage?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: paul_e on June 26, 2017, 02:10:44 PM
Like a manager who was brought in to get promotion and finished bottom half?

And would you expect Bruce to last beyond Xmas if automatic promotion isn't looking likely at that stage?

Of course not, but that'll be a bit too late won't it, we had people making the excuse for him that 10 games in made promotion impossible, half a season in with form like we've shown under him so far as we're stuck down here for another year.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: RussellC on June 26, 2017, 02:13:18 PM
Like a manager who was brought in to get promotion and finished bottom half?

And would you expect Bruce to last beyond Xmas if automatic promotion isn't looking likely at that stage?

Of course not, but that'll be a bit too late won't it, we had people making the excuse for him that 10 games in made promotion impossible, half a season in with form like we've shown under him so far as we're stuck down here for another year.

So you're advocating sacking him now?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: boozey182 on June 26, 2017, 02:18:00 PM
There must be more to this than meets the eye, I just really can't fathom it. It just doesn't seem to make sense no matter which angle you look at it. Taking away my personal feelings for the man, our biggest failing over the last few years has been too many big personalities, on too high a wage, that spend too long being injured, at the wrong end of their career, and dramatically reducing the speed at which we can play.

I appreciate that there may be some players at the club that will look up to him and the trophies he's had his picture next to, and that he will be a 'leader' in the sense that he doesn't give up etc. But is that really worth what we're offering him? Is this really the best use of our resources?

Not to mention the fact that if we get off to a bad start, the atmosphere will turn toxic to a level previously unseen down the Villa. Sort of like when John Terry was carried off injured, but much much worse. I don't understand why Bruce wants to put himself under that kind of pressure.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: paul_e on June 26, 2017, 02:56:04 PM
Like a manager who was brought in to get promotion and finished bottom half?

And would you expect Bruce to last beyond Xmas if automatic promotion isn't looking likely at that stage?

Of course not, but that'll be a bit too late won't it, we had people making the excuse for him that 10 games in made promotion impossible, half a season in with form like we've shown under him so far as we're stuck down here for another year.

So you're advocating sacking him now?

Nope, 6 weeks ago but it wasn't going to happen.  As I've said before my real worry is that new owner, in the championship and a first team full of players that the fans would've been happy to see fucked off was a perfect setup for us to change direction and put proper structures in place for the long term success of the club. The managers we've picked and the approach to the transfer market has been pulling in exactly the opposite direction and signings like Terry and Whelan are further evidence that no one at the club gives much of a fuck about doing the hard jobs.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: TheMalandro on June 26, 2017, 03:08:59 PM
There must be more to this than meets the eye, I just really can't fathom it. It just doesn't seem to make sense no matter which angle you look at it.

Perhaps Bruce thinks he has a lot to offer?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: RussellC on June 26, 2017, 03:10:01 PM
Nope, 6 weeks ago but it wasn't going to happen.  As I've said before my real worry is that new owner, in the championship and a first team full of players that the fans would've been happy to see fucked off was a perfect setup for us to change direction and put proper structures in place for the long term success of the club. The managers we've picked and the approach to the transfer market has been pulling in exactly the opposite direction and signings like Terry and Whelan are further evidence that no one at the club gives much of a fuck about doing the hard jobs.

But what about Bree? Bedeau? We're trying to sign Johnstone permanently by all accounts too? The likes of Terry and Whelan would be short-term fixes and there has to be a balance. We need a quick fix as much as we need a complete restructure.

From what I've seen, Xia, Wyness, etc recognise this and are trying to do that. I don't disagree that Bruce isn't a forward-thinking, long-term appointment but Managers that would have been were nowhere to be seen (without taking more of a gamble than Bruce was widely regarded to be) at the time.

Xia strikes me as being almost the complete opposite of Lerner. It's hard to argue that Bruce has performed anything other than poorly so far, and he'll know that his job's already under pressure.

People romanticise about Graham Taylor signing David Platt last time we were in the 2nd tier, but he also signed Chris Price and Derek Mountfield...
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: boozey182 on June 26, 2017, 03:13:25 PM
There must be more to this than meets the eye, I just really can't fathom it. It just doesn't seem to make sense no matter which angle you look at it.

Perhaps Bruce thinks he has a lot to offer?

I guess that must be the case, but I just can't quite see what it is.

I guess he's a centre back truly made out of the Bruce mould. To paraphrase a well known comedian; John Terry: The Steve Bruce of the Two-Girls-One-Cup generation.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Duncan Shaw on June 26, 2017, 03:36:56 PM
People romanticise about Graham Taylor signing David Platt last time we were in the 2nd tier, but he also signed Chris Price and Derek Mountfield...

And Steve Sims - he was his first signing and I remember thinking wtf at the time!!
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: itbrvilla on June 26, 2017, 04:15:10 PM
Nope, 6 weeks ago but it wasn't going to happen.  As I've said before my real worry is that new owner, in the championship and a first team full of players that the fans would've been happy to see fucked off was a perfect setup for us to change direction and put proper structures in place for the long term success of the club. The managers we've picked and the approach to the transfer market has been pulling in exactly the opposite direction and signings like Terry and Whelan are further evidence that no one at the club gives much of a fuck about doing the hard jobs.

But what about Bree? Bedeau? We're trying to sign Johnstone permanently by all accounts too? The likes of Terry and Whelan would be short-term fixes and there has to be a balance. We need a quick fix as much as we need a complete restructure.

From what I've seen, Xia, Wyness, etc recognise this and are trying to do that. I don't disagree that Bruce isn't a forward-thinking, long-term appointment but Managers that would have been were nowhere to be seen (without taking more of a gamble than Bruce was widely regarded to be) at the time.

Xia strikes me as being almost the complete opposite of Lerner. It's hard to argue that Bruce has performed anything other than poorly so far, and he'll know that his job's already under pressure.

People romanticise about Graham Taylor signing David Platt last time we were in the 2nd tier, but he also signed Chris Price and Derek Mountfield...
Nothing Wyness has done convinces me that he is forward thinking.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Ads on June 26, 2017, 05:11:52 PM
You don't think Round is a forward thinking appointment?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: ian c. on June 26, 2017, 05:14:20 PM
People romanticise about Graham Taylor signing David Platt last time we were in the 2nd tier, but he also signed Chris Price and Derek Mountfield...

And Steve Sims - he was his first signing and I remember thinking wtf at the time!!

Price and Mountfield were great for us.

I refuse to be drawn on the subject of Steve Sims.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: saunders_heroes on June 26, 2017, 05:48:40 PM
People romanticise about Graham Taylor signing David Platt last time we were in the 2nd tier, but he also signed Chris Price and Derek Mountfield...

And Steve Sims - he was his first signing and I remember thinking wtf at the time!!

Price and Mountfield were great for us.

I refuse to be drawn on the subject of Steve Sims.

Price and Mountfield were cracking players for us. Sims did a job. Taylor knew and trusted him well.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: eamonn on June 26, 2017, 05:49:24 PM
You don't think Round is a forward thinking appointment?

He talked a good game in that comms to fans last year. Not sure if much of it has borne fruit though.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: paul_e on June 26, 2017, 06:18:57 PM
Nope, 6 weeks ago but it wasn't going to happen.  As I've said before my real worry is that new owner, in the championship and a first team full of players that the fans would've been happy to see fucked off was a perfect setup for us to change direction and put proper structures in place for the long term success of the club. The managers we've picked and the approach to the transfer market has been pulling in exactly the opposite direction and signings like Terry and Whelan are further evidence that no one at the club gives much of a fuck about doing the hard jobs.

But what about Bree? Bedeau? We're trying to sign Johnstone permanently by all accounts too? The likes of Terry and Whelan would be short-term fixes and there has to be a balance. We need a quick fix as much as we need a complete restructure.

From what I've seen, Xia, Wyness, etc recognise this and are trying to do that. I don't disagree that Bruce isn't a forward-thinking, long-term appointment but Managers that would have been were nowhere to be seen (without taking more of a gamble than Bruce was widely regarded to be) at the time.

Xia strikes me as being almost the complete opposite of Lerner. It's hard to argue that Bruce has performed anything other than poorly so far, and he'll know that his job's already under pressure.

People romanticise about Graham Taylor signing David Platt last time we were in the 2nd tier, but he also signed Chris Price and Derek Mountfield...

I don't disagree, the point is that comparing Xia after 1 season to Lerner after 1 season I'd say it's fair to have some concerns because Xia hasn't shown any clear signs that he's changing the direction of the club, a lot of the signings and the choice of manager are exactly the same as we were doing before.

The odd thing here is that I don't actually have any issues with Xia, I'm far from convinced about Wyness and Round though.  Wyness had the same narrow field of view as Lerner, Fox and Faulkner when it came to finding a new manager and Round has done anything wrong but I've seen nothing to suggest any amazing change in our scouting process which leads to...

Specific to signings in January and again this summer I want to see some thought about them.  Whelan for example, is a guy in his mid 30s coming in to compete with another guy in his mid 30s.  I'd honestly rather see Lyden get game time.  With Terry my issue is that it's the same as signing Pires, we're signing the player he was not the player he is.


We can all see the same problems, we need some pace, we need options out wide, we need someone as backup to Jedinak who can step in as the main man next year, We need options at centre back who can give us 2-3 seasons whilst Suliman and Bedeau develop.  I want the club to see these problems and address them, not act like a fat kid in a sweet shop.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: brian green on June 26, 2017, 06:31:32 PM
Love that last sentence Paul, fattism apart.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: paul_e on June 26, 2017, 06:36:33 PM
Love that last sentence Paul, fattism apart.

I'm overweight myself so I'm claiming it as self-deprecating.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Dave on June 26, 2017, 06:53:35 PM
You don't think Round is a forward thinking appointment?

He talked a good game in that comms to fans last year. Not sure if much of it has borne fruit though.

It's one of those appointments that is impossible to judge until we see obvious success or obvious failure.

It was accepted pretty much universally at the time of his appointment that Tom Fox was exactly who we needed and not a moment too soon. He also seemed to say the right things based on the reports that came back. We'll probably know in about two seasons whether Round is a good appointment or not.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: OCD on June 26, 2017, 08:21:00 PM
Even if he proved not to be the right man, the creation of a role that looks to develop a scouting network and looks to set-up a blueprint of all the various age groups makes a lot of sense. The appointment was also made by a Chairman that has a lot of experience in football as opposed to Fox's appointment. We can only know with time but on the face of it there seems to be more going for this one than there has previously.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: itbrvilla on June 26, 2017, 08:28:31 PM
You don't think Round is a forward thinking appointment?

He talked a good game in that comms to fans last year. Not sure if much of it has borne fruit though.
I agree. Neither are performing. Blown a fortune on shite. No systems in place anywhere no team no scouting network. What else have they done?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Chris Smith on June 26, 2017, 08:46:10 PM
You don't think Round is a forward thinking appointment?

He talked a good game in that comms to fans last year. Not sure if much of it has borne fruit though.
I agree. Neither are performing. Blown a fortune on shite. No systems in place anywhere no team no scouting network. What else have they done?

How do you know there is no scouting network?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on June 26, 2017, 09:36:09 PM
Bring back Doug, top four finishes, league cup triumphs, European tours, full houses.



Rubbish. Ellis hasn't managed a 50 page thread on here for years. John Terry is going to smash through that in a couple of days at his first attempt.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Ads on June 26, 2017, 10:07:29 PM
You don't think Round is a forward thinking appointment?

He talked a good game in that comms to fans last year. Not sure if much of it has borne fruit though.
I agree. Neither are performing. Blown a fortune on shite. No systems in place anywhere no team no scouting network. What else have they done?

Round has blown a fortune?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: itbrvilla on June 26, 2017, 10:51:48 PM
You don't think Round is a forward thinking appointment?

He talked a good game in that comms to fans last year. Not sure if much of it has borne fruit though.
I agree. Neither are performing. Blown a fortune on shite. No systems in place anywhere no team no scouting network. What else have they done?

How do you know there is no scouting network?
You don't think Round is a forward thinking appointment?

He talked a good game in that comms to fans last year. Not sure if much of it has borne fruit though.
I agree. Neither are performing. Blown a fortune on shite. No systems in place anywhere no team no scouting network. What else have they done?

How do you know there is no scouting network?
If there is then fucking dreadful. Spent a fortune on utter crap that doesn't fit into the team. £80 odd million spent, bottom half, gambling the club's future. What has Wyness done?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Ads on June 26, 2017, 10:58:11 PM
Round only came in 1st September and I don't think anybody can criticise the January purchases with a straight face.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Clampy on June 26, 2017, 11:24:19 PM
You don't think Round is a forward thinking appointment?

He talked a good game in that comms to fans last year. Not sure if much of it has borne fruit though.
I agree. Neither are performing. Blown a fortune on shite. No systems in place anywhere no team no scouting network. What else have they done?

How do you know there is no scouting network?
You don't think Round is a forward thinking appointment?

He talked a good game in that comms to fans last year. Not sure if much of it has borne fruit though.
I agree. Neither are performing. Blown a fortune on shite. No systems in place anywhere no team no scouting network. What else have they done?

How do you know there is no scouting network?
If there is then fucking dreadful. Spent a fortune on utter crap that doesn't fit into the team. £80 odd million spent, bottom half, gambling the club's future. What has Wyness done?

Trying to put a club back together that was in a mess and a team that was shockingly awful on the pitch. It was never going to turn round overnight.

I'm stunned at the lack of patience and at how much misery some people wallow in.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Gareth on June 26, 2017, 11:31:44 PM
It's difficult to criticise Round & the scouting network he has overseen because the January signings the jury is still out on (Johnstone was a good pick, Taylor improved team, Hogan was crocked & rushed back, Lansbury was ok nothing more, Bree was for future, Bedeau is very much for u23's & Hourihane has thus far looked overawed).  The big transfer issue of the last year is that last summer we needed goal scorers and rather than look for a combination we spent 20m+ on 2 strikers based on the top scorer charts alone.  We really should not have needed to buy Hogan & id like to think with a proper network we wouldn't make that mistake again.

When we signed Hogan I was convinced the summer plan was to get max £'s for Kodjia & try and shift McCormack for whatever we can get then get in a target man for Hogan to play off - still wouldn't shock me if it happened.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 26, 2017, 11:33:08 PM
Trying to put a club back together that was in a mess and a team that was shockingly awful on the pitch. It was never going to turn round overnight.

I'm stunned at the lack of patience and at how much misery some people wallow in.

Surely the second line in your post is explained by the first?

It's awful, yes, and has been for years. I honestly am not even remotely surprised at the lack of patience people are showing. We've been utterly awful for six or seven years now.

I don't really see how anyone can be accused of impatience.

Don't get me wrong, I am not burning Bruce effigies or looking for a new manager or anything like that, I am just amazed anyone really blames anyone else for being short of patience.

We've just spent a fortune and finished in the bottom half of the Championship. When does it become OK to complain?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 26, 2017, 11:35:38 PM
It's difficult to criticise Round & the scouting network he has overseen because the January signings the jury is still out on (Johnstone was a good pick, Taylor improved team, Hogan was crocked & rushed back, Lansbury was ok nothing more, Bree was for future, Bedeau is very much for u23's & Hourihane has thus far looked overawed).  The big transfer issue of the last year is that last summer we needed goal scorers and rather than look for a combination we spent 20m+ on 2 strikers based on the top scorer charts alone.  We really should not have needed to buy Hogan & id like to think with a proper network we wouldn't make that mistake again.

When we signed Hogan I was convinced the summer plan was to get max £'s for Kodjia & try and shift McCormack for whatever we can get then get in a target man for Hogan to play off - still wouldn't shock me if it happened.

From the (limited) amount of times I saw him at Brentford, what Hogan needs isn't a target man, but a midfield behind him who will pass the ball to him in the opposition's half (from the opposition's half).
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 26, 2017, 11:37:41 PM
I presume Round will be heavily tasked with appointing a new manager as and when.

Could probably judge his competency from that...highly rated european coach....or the man he was assistant to at Everton and Man. United....David Moyes. He's also worked with McClaren a lot.

Sorry for giving you guys nightmares tonight!
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: OCD on June 26, 2017, 11:44:04 PM
It's difficult to criticise Round & the scouting network he has overseen because the January signings the jury is still out on (Johnstone was a good pick, Taylor improved team, Hogan was crocked & rushed back, Lansbury was ok nothing more, Bree was for future, Bedeau is very much for u23's & Hourihane has thus far looked overawed).  The big transfer issue of the last year is that last summer we needed goal scorers and rather than look for a combination we spent 20m+ on 2 strikers based on the top scorer charts alone.  We really should not have needed to buy Hogan & id like to think with a proper network we wouldn't make that mistake again.

When we signed Hogan I was convinced the summer plan was to get max £'s for Kodjia & try and shift McCormack for whatever we can get then get in a target man for Hogan to play off - still wouldn't shock me if it happened.

From the (limited) amount of times I saw him at Brentford, what Hogan needs isn't a target man, but a midfield behind him who will pass the ball to him in the opposition's half (from the opposition's half).

He likes through balls being threaded past the last defender doesn't he?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: OCD on June 26, 2017, 11:44:43 PM
I presume Round will be heavily tasked with appointing a new manager as and when.

Could probably judge his competency from that...highly rated european coach....or the man he was assistant to at Everton and Man. United....David Moyes. He's also worked with McClaren a lot.

Sorry for giving you guys nightmares tonight!

He's already done that by recommending Bruce.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 26, 2017, 11:45:08 PM
It's difficult to criticise Round & the scouting network he has overseen because the January signings the jury is still out on (Johnstone was a good pick, Taylor improved team, Hogan was crocked & rushed back, Lansbury was ok nothing more, Bree was for future, Bedeau is very much for u23's & Hourihane has thus far looked overawed).  The big transfer issue of the last year is that last summer we needed goal scorers and rather than look for a combination we spent 20m+ on 2 strikers based on the top scorer charts alone.  We really should not have needed to buy Hogan & id like to think with a proper network we wouldn't make that mistake again.

When we signed Hogan I was convinced the summer plan was to get max £'s for Kodjia & try and shift McCormack for whatever we can get then get in a target man for Hogan to play off - still wouldn't shock me if it happened.

From the (limited) amount of times I saw him at Brentford, what Hogan needs isn't a target man, but a midfield behind him who will pass the ball to him in the opposition's half (from the opposition's half).

He likes through balls being threaded past the last defender doesn't he?

Yes. I think we all would.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: tomd2103 on June 26, 2017, 11:57:51 PM
It's difficult to criticise Round & the scouting network he has overseen because the January signings the jury is still out on (Johnstone was a good pick, Taylor improved team, Hogan was crocked & rushed back, Lansbury was ok nothing more, Bree was for future, Bedeau is very much for u23's & Hourihane has thus far looked overawed).  The big transfer issue of the last year is that last summer we needed goal scorers and rather than look for a combination we spent 20m+ on 2 strikers based on the top scorer charts alone.  We really should not have needed to buy Hogan & id like to think with a proper network we wouldn't make that mistake again.

When we signed Hogan I was convinced the summer plan was to get max £'s for Kodjia & try and shift McCormack for whatever we can get then get in a target man for Hogan to play off - still wouldn't shock me if it happened.

From the (limited) amount of times I saw him at Brentford, what Hogan needs isn't a target man, but a midfield behind him who will pass the ball to him in the opposition's half (from the opposition's half).

Agree.  From what I have seen of him for us so far, he is very much the type of forward who plays on the shoulder of defenders and needs balls slipped through.  Probably would be ideal with a 'number 10' type player, playing just in behind him. 
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: OCD on June 27, 2017, 12:03:56 AM
If McCormack could get his act together I wonder if he and Hogan could be a good combination. If not, maybe Grealish? About time he stopped being a pretender and lived up to his potential.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: tomd2103 on June 27, 2017, 12:35:02 AM
If McCormack could get his act together I wonder if he and Hogan could be a good combination. If not, maybe Grealish? About time he stopped being a pretender and lived up to his potential.

Well, yes there's two options and Lansbury can also play that role as can Gil but it looks like he is on his way.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: olaftab on June 27, 2017, 12:42:32 AM
Round only came in 1st September and I don't think anybody can criticise the January purchases with a straight face.
The January signings were good and players signed were performing very well in the division and have real potential  however the way those players were used by Bruce is totally mystifying.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: paul_e on June 27, 2017, 12:45:58 AM
Trying to put a club back together that was in a mess and a team that was shockingly awful on the pitch. It was never going to turn round overnight.

I'm stunned at the lack of patience and at how much misery some people wallow in.

Surely the second line in your post is explained by the first?

It's awful, yes, and has been for years. I honestly am not even remotely surprised at the lack of patience people are showing. We've been utterly awful for six or seven years now.

I don't really see how anyone can be accused of impatience.

Don't get me wrong, I am not burning Bruce effigies or looking for a new manager or anything like that, I am just amazed anyone really blames anyone else for being short of patience.

We've just spent a fortune and finished in the bottom half of the Championship. When does it become OK to complain?

For me it isn't impatience, I'd happily wait for things to tick if i saw a plan to fix the underlying issues rather than paper over them.

Clampy says it was never going to turn around over night and i agree but it's also never going to turn around properly if we don't try and Bruce, Terry, Whelan, etc aren't a change of plan from Cole, Richardson, Lescott, McLeish, Lambert, etc.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: passitsideways on June 27, 2017, 12:52:09 AM
Round only came in 1st September and I don't think anybody can criticise the January purchases with a straight face.
The January signings were good and players signed were performing very well in the division and have real potential  however the way those players were used by Bruce is totally mystifying.

Yeah, I liked all of them, outside of being circumspect about Taylor (who's proven me wrong thus far), and Hogan (only on the grounds of money, as opposed to ability).

I think we have enough evidence now, going back years, to say that it's more to do with the club being unable to get the most out of the players it buys, on the whole, with only rare exceptions.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Mossie Hennebry on June 27, 2017, 01:41:09 AM
I like the way this thread has now morphed into a summer transfer thread. Merge, anyone? It should lighten the mood.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Clampy on June 27, 2017, 07:05:37 AM
Trying to put a club back together that was in a mess and a team that was shockingly awful on the pitch. It was never going to turn round overnight.

I'm stunned at the lack of patience and at how much misery some people wallow in.

Surely the second line in your post is explained by the first?

It's awful, yes, and has been for years. I honestly am not even remotely surprised at the lack of patience people are showing. We've been utterly awful for six or seven years now.

I don't really see how anyone can be accused of impatience.

Don't get me wrong, I am not burning Bruce effigies or looking for a new manager or anything like that, I am just amazed anyone really blames anyone else for being short of patience.

We've just spent a fortune and finished in the bottom half of the Championship. When does it become OK to complain?

I mean impatience when it comes to people starting to point the finger at the likes of Round and Wyness. They've only been here five minutes, they can hardly be blamed for the last 6 or 7 years but that's what they're trying to correct.  In some ways we've had to start from scratch.

I was hoping we'd get out of the division first time and I sure wasn't expecting us to finish as low as we did, but let's see what this season brings.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: old man villa fan on June 27, 2017, 08:05:51 AM
We can view impatience by our own view at the time we sacked RDM.  Were you for sacking or willing to give him more time.

Back to the Terry issue. I think it is an expensive gamble both money-wise and how it's dividing opinion. It's a very controversial gamble and one I do not think the Club had to make. It's not as if we are near the top of the PL and he was the final piece of the jigsaw.  If he fails, I would expect the manager to take responsibility for it.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: DB on June 27, 2017, 09:40:21 AM
Therefore, if he succeeds then the manager should take the credit?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: robbo1874 on June 27, 2017, 10:26:21 AM
Yes of course and the player. How is this realistically going to pan out though? Plus he's a ******, Terry, not Bruce. Car crash written all over it in my book - and I'm usually an optimist when it comes to Villa matters.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: robbo1874 on June 27, 2017, 10:35:35 AM
Look at the poll. Half don't want him and about 20% don't care. Only about 30% of supporters on here wanted us to actually sign Terry.

He'll get a chance, just like everyone else that signs for us, but I reckon come November he'll have either played about 3 games for us, or will be getting pelters.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: KevinGage on June 27, 2017, 10:56:09 AM
That's a poll on this particular site. 

I'm sure there was mention of a Meaning Evil poll that was overwhelmingly in favour of his signature. It could be just B-lose and Olbiyun fans acting the giddy goat, though.  Younger fans seem to be in favour too, from anecdotal evidence.  Whatever that's worth.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: boozey182 on June 27, 2017, 10:57:21 AM
Look at the poll. Half don't want him and about 20% don't care. Only about 30% of supporters on here wanted us to actually sign Terry.

He'll get a chance, just like everyone else that signs for us, but I reckon come November he'll have either played about 3 games for us, or will be getting pelters.

As others have said, it's such an unnecessary risk for Bruce to take. I don't think promotion will come down to whether or not we get Terry (and if Bruce does think this, I wonder who he's got lined up in case this falls through). So to bring in such a divisive character, who the fans have a long history with (although I'm sure we're not the only club that can boast that), who isn't guaranteed to play half the matches and who will be on one of the highest wages in an already worryingly big wage bill. And if it goes wrong, he'll be crucified for it. The people that are okay with holding their noses and getting behind Terry will just be looking for a excuse to let him have it. Bruce won't last until October unless we get off to an amazing start. (Which, to be fair, is possible in this league, with or without Terry).

Is he panicking? Is this his equivalent of RDM's 6 up front against Preston?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Cleybrooke on June 27, 2017, 11:07:58 AM
It's been claimed that Bruce has been quoted as saying that Villa are the most talented team and Hull the least talented team he has ever coached. On the other hand, Hull had the best team ethic and Villa the worst.

Question is, if you add John Terry into that mix, are you going to make the team better or worse. I really don't see it my self.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: boozey182 on June 27, 2017, 11:19:09 AM
It's been claimed that Bruce has been quoted as saying that Villa are the most talented team and Hull the least talented team he has ever coached. On the other hand, Hull had the best team ethic and Villa the worst.

Question is, if you add John Terry into that mix, are you going to make the team better or worse. I really don't see it my self.

I'm not entirely sure what falls under a manager's jurisdiction these days, but if the coaches do the coaching and Round lines up transfers, other than our incredibly sophisticated tactics that we see each week, what does Bruce do if not motivate the team? Would it be too much to ask that he tries to do this himself before we pay his mate 60k a week to do it, with the odd appearance thrown in every now and then?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: RussellC on June 27, 2017, 11:21:44 AM
The odd thing here is that I don't actually have any issues with Xia, I'm far from convinced about Wyness and Round though.  Wyness had the same narrow field of view as Lerner, Fox and Faulkner when it came to finding a new manager and Round has done anything wrong but I've seen nothing to suggest any amazing change in our scouting process which leads to...

Xia and Lerner took custodianship of the club under such different circumstances that's it's almost impossible to compare their 1st year performances.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: AVH87 on June 27, 2017, 11:49:08 AM
Lots of people seem to be assuming we'll only get a handful of games out of Terry because he only played a handful last season. Wasn't this down to not being good enough for the best team in the country, as opposed to being unfit?

I'm not expecting 46 games out of him if he starts, but 30-35 would be enough to justify his signing (based on football ability). I'd imagine him even at 36 being comfortably better than Baker or Elphick.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Drummond on June 27, 2017, 12:21:12 PM
John Terry will improve our squad. He knows how to organise, he wants to learn to coach so will be keen to pass on his experience. He's been there and done it. He's probably won more trophies than any player in our history has and he's done it this century.

He's an arsehole, but he'd be our arsehole.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: mr underhill on June 27, 2017, 12:23:33 PM
and  he's going to rip himself a new one
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: boozey182 on June 27, 2017, 12:35:10 PM
He's an arsehole, but he'd be our arsehole.

No thanks. Whoever he plays for next, he'll always be Chelsea's arsehole. And they're welcome to him. A better fit, I couldn't think of.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 27, 2017, 01:37:55 PM
I want promotion. It might not sit well in your stomach but Terry will help us get there. He'd be positive on and off the pitch and won't really care if fans don't like him initially. Footballers are generally pretty oblivious to that kind of thing anyway.

If he comes to us he'll have turned down better money elsewhere. He's an arrogant bastard so he won't want to end his career failing at anything so getting us up will only add to "brand" JT. That will be his motivation.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Dave on June 27, 2017, 02:22:18 PM
I want promotion. It might not sit well in your stomach but Terry will help us get there.

He might. He also might be a lumbering liability who costs us goals because his 37 year old legs can't catch up to Fulham or Brentford's latest 20 year old whippersnapper.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 27, 2017, 02:42:03 PM
I really don't get the certainty some people have that Terry will be good for us, let alone that he will "get us promotion".

He might, he might not. He's hardly played in 2017 so there is no way of proving it.

What is beyond doubt, is that he is a scumbag.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Three Spires Villa on June 27, 2017, 03:02:56 PM
I really don't get the certainty some people have that Terry will be good for us, let alone that he will "get us promotion".

He might, he might not. He's hardly played in 2017 so there is no way of proving it.

What is beyond doubt, is that he is a scumbag.

Well said Sir, well said
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Nev on June 27, 2017, 03:13:54 PM
I want promotion. It might not sit well in your stomach but Terry will help us get there. He'd be positive on and off the pitch and won't really care if fans don't like him initially. Footballers are generally pretty oblivious to that kind of thing anyway.

If he comes to us he'll have turned down better money elsewhere. He's an arrogant bastard so he won't want to end his career failing at anything so getting us up will only add to "brand" JT. That will be his motivation.

It won't make a any difference at all, any "failure" will just get forgotten about, like those "failures" involving 'Arry. In fact it will be turned back on us. Does anyone think any less of Keane, Wilkins, Pires et al?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: AV5nobs on June 27, 2017, 03:29:53 PM
Couldn't care less what the mother Theresa's think of him, if he helps us get back up I will be grateful.

Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 27, 2017, 03:36:49 PM
Couldn't care less what the mother Theresa's think of him, if he helps us get back up I will be grateful.

You have to be "Mother Theresa" to think calling someone a "fucking black ******" is unacceptable?

You seem to have a very high tolerance of racism.

I'm going to take a wild guess... Leave voter?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Rico on June 27, 2017, 03:37:37 PM
Just thought I'd share this with you. A acquaintance of mine who is a Chelsea fan raves about John Terry, and reckons that if we sign him we are certainties to win the league. Funny old game ain't it? I guess it's all about perceptions. I don't particularly want us to sign him simply because I think he's past it.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: DB on June 27, 2017, 03:37:50 PM
Would he improve on what we already have? If you agree he does then it makes sense if we want to get promoted.
I am totally neutral to this, he is divisive but get why people don't want him based on his reputation.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: AV5nobs on June 27, 2017, 03:55:11 PM
Can we get of our moral high horse just for a second, this is life, saying something in the heat  of the moment doesn't make someone a racist, however stupid, basic education will teach you that.

Stop trying to score points with the mods for a second and try and be objective from a footballing perspective.

And my voting status has nothing to do with it.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 27, 2017, 04:04:56 PM
I want promotion. It might not sit well in your stomach but Terry will help us get there.

He might. He also might be a lumbering liability who costs us goals because his 37 year old legs can't catch up to Fulham or Brentford's latest 20 year old whippersnapper.

To a degree isn't that the risk with anyone? We could buy a 20 year whippersnapper to keep up with the 20 year whippersnappers but there's no guarantee they would also then be good defenders. If we always lived by that rule Paul McGrath would never have become a legend in our colours.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 27, 2017, 04:05:04 PM
Ok. Objectively, it's insane for a second tier club to pay £60k per week to a 37 year-old racist.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 27, 2017, 04:10:48 PM
Can we get of our moral high horse just for a second, this is life, saying something in the heat  of the moment doesn't make someone a racist, however stupid, basic education will teach you that.

Stop trying to score points with the mods for a second and try and be objective from a footballing perspective.

And my voting status has nothing to do with it.

I'll take that as a "yes".
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: AV5nobs on June 27, 2017, 04:11:15 PM
Much better.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Dave on June 27, 2017, 04:13:33 PM
I want promotion. It might not sit well in your stomach but Terry will help us get there.

He might. He also might be a lumbering liability who costs us goals because his 37 year old legs can't catch up to Fulham or Brentford's latest 20 year old whippersnapper.

To a degree isn't that the risk with anyone? We could buy a 20 year whippersnapper to keep up with the 20 year whippersnappers but there's no guarantee they would also then be good defenders. If we always lived by that rule Paul McGrath would never have become a legend in our colours.

Yes. I've said many times that there is no player we could sign who carries no risk. It's just a case of what risk it poses balanced against the potential reward.

His pedigree would suggest that a 37 year John Terry is less of a risky signing than a 37 year old Paul Robinson.

But I'd personally say that a 32 year old Curtis Davies would carry a lower risk than a 37 year old John Terry.

As for your last point I would say that had we been discussing McGrath as a 37 year old potential signing rather than the 29 year old that he was, then he wouldn't have become a legend in our colours. Or probably even managed more than a dozen or so matches.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Ad@m on June 27, 2017, 04:16:24 PM
Can we get of our moral high horse just for a second, this is life, saying something in the heat  of the moment doesn't make someone a racist, however stupid, basic education will teach you that.

Sorry but I'm struggling with this.  Even if it's a "heat of the moment comment" to even consider using someone's race as an insult would suggest that you're in some way racist.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 27, 2017, 04:17:15 PM
I want promotion. It might not sit well in your stomach but Terry will help us get there.

He might. He also might be a lumbering liability who costs us goals because his 37 year old legs can't catch up to Fulham or Brentford's latest 20 year old whippersnapper.

To a degree isn't that the risk with anyone? We could buy a 20 year whippersnapper to keep up with the 20 year whippersnappers but there's no guarantee they would also then be good defenders. If we always lived by that rule Paul McGrath would never have become a legend in our colours.

McGrath was 29 when we signed him. Terry is 37, the same age McGrath was when he retired.

Genuinely can't think of the last good 37 year old outfield player we signed? Even assuming Terry is better than most of his age group, when was the last good outfield signing we made of a player 35 or over?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 27, 2017, 04:18:30 PM
Can we get of our moral high horse just for a second, this is life, saying something in the heat  of the moment doesn't make someone a racist, however stupid, basic education will teach you that.

Sorry but I'm struggling with this.  Even if it's a "heat of the moment comment" to even consider using someone's race as an insult would suggest that you're in some way racist.

You'll get nowhere. AV8rexit thinks anyone who opposes racism is trying to be Mother Theresa. He genuinely can't get it into his head how calling someone a "fucking black c***" is unacceptable.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on June 27, 2017, 04:21:04 PM
Can we get of our moral high horse just for a second, this is life, saying something in the heat  of the moment doesn't make someone a racist, however stupid, basic education will teach you that.

Sorry but I'm struggling with this.  Even if it's a "heat of the moment comment" to even consider using someone's race as an insult would suggest that you're in some way racist.

You could even say that using such words "in the heat of the moment", almost as a reflex action, suggests that they're never far from your thoughts or the tip of your tongue.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 27, 2017, 04:23:23 PM
Absolutely.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 27, 2017, 04:24:01 PM
I want promotion. It might not sit well in your stomach but Terry will help us get there.

He might. He also might be a lumbering liability who costs us goals because his 37 year old legs can't catch up to Fulham or Brentford's latest 20 year old whippersnapper.

To a degree isn't that the risk with anyone? We could buy a 20 year whippersnapper to keep up with the 20 year whippersnappers but there's no guarantee they would also then be good defenders. If we always lived by that rule Paul McGrath would never have become a legend in our colours.

McGrath was 29 when we signed him. Terry is 37, the same age McGrath was when he retired.

Genuinely can't think of the last good 37 year old outfield player we signed? Even assuming Terry is better than most of his age group, when was the last good outfield signing we made of a player 35 or over?

McGrath because of his significant knee issues and off the field problems was essentially tossed out by Man U. That he went on to become legendary was in large part down to how he was managed, and even then there were plenty of bumps along the way.

Look I don't for a second expect Terry to be close to anything McGrath was. And of course so much depends on fitness and motivation. But for one year, could he do it? For 5m in a sport for that money barely pays for average these days, I think it's worth the risk at Championship level. I wouldn't be at all for this if we were getting him as a PL club.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 27, 2017, 04:40:29 PM
I want promotion. It might not sit well in your stomach but Terry will help us get there.

He might. He also might be a lumbering liability who costs us goals because his 37 year old legs can't catch up to Fulham or Brentford's latest 20 year old whippersnapper.

To a degree isn't that the risk with anyone? We could buy a 20 year whippersnapper to keep up with the 20 year whippersnappers but there's no guarantee they would also then be good defenders. If we always lived by that rule Paul McGrath would never have become a legend in our colours.

McGrath was 29 when we signed him. Terry is 37, the same age McGrath was when he retired.

Genuinely can't think of the last good 37 year old outfield player we signed? Even assuming Terry is better than most of his age group, when was the last good outfield signing we made of a player 35 or over?

McGrath because of his significant knee issues and off the field problems was essentially tossed out by Man U. That he went on to become legendary was in large part down to how he was managed, and even then there were plenty of bumps along the way.

Look I don't for a second expect Terry to be close to anything McGrath was. And of course so much depends on fitness and motivation. But for one year, could he do it? For 5m in a sport for that money barely pays for average these days, I think it's worth the risk at Championship level. I wouldn't be at all for this if we were getting him as a PL club.

That's a reasonable attitude. But it differs from the certainty of your earlier one, contained in the first quote of this quote war 😉.

I might consider it a risk worth taking without the baggage. With that, and his age, I just cannot be arsed with this deal.

We have scouts, go recruit the next, non-scummy, version of John Terry.

The next Shaun Teale would do perfectly well.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Damo70 on June 27, 2017, 04:50:27 PM
Maybe handling Terry with care as we did with Paul McGrath will help him perform to his best. Although you wonder if we have anyone as wise as SGT and Jim Walker were.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 27, 2017, 04:56:51 PM
Or... we could just sign someone without age/injury worries for a fraction of the price, and concentrate on improving the areas where we were poor last year.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Ad@m on June 27, 2017, 05:23:13 PM
Or... we could just sign someone without age/injury worries for a fraction of the price, and concentrate on improving the areas where we were poor last year.

This is the bit for me.  I don't actually see the problem this signing would be fixing.  We conceded 48 goals last year - only four teams conceded fewer - so why the hell are we wasting our time looking at centre halves?

Chester's Premier League class.  Baker's perfectly adequate for the Championship as long as the midfield take the ball off him before he gives it away.  Elphick is adequate as a backup.  Is the youth team that bad that we don't have some cover coming through there?  What's happened to Toner?

SB should be focusing on how we score more goals.  Not being quite so eye-wateringly negative in his set up and tactics would be a start but the scouts should be helping him by finding some strikers who might actually fit in to his style of play, or a backup for Jedinak (if the Whelan deal isn't going to come through) so that Lansbury and Hourihane can push forward and do the job we signed them for.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: eamonn on June 27, 2017, 05:32:11 PM
*JT is 36 and a half. A bit of respect, age is sensitive, no need to try strengthen your point by making him appear older.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: PaulTheVillan on June 27, 2017, 05:36:09 PM
He'll sign, Bruce will be gone by October and JT will be the next manager. God help us.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 27, 2017, 05:43:08 PM
I want promotion. It might not sit well in your stomach but Terry will help us get there.

He might. He also might be a lumbering liability who costs us goals because his 37 year old legs can't catch up to Fulham or Brentford's latest 20 year old whippersnapper.

To a degree isn't that the risk with anyone? We could buy a 20 year whippersnapper to keep up with the 20 year whippersnappers but there's no guarantee they would also then be good defenders. If we always lived by that rule Paul McGrath would never have become a legend in our colours.

McGrath was 29 when we signed him. Terry is 37, the same age McGrath was when he retired.

Genuinely can't think of the last good 37 year old outfield player we signed? Even assuming Terry is better than most of his age group, when was the last good outfield signing we made of a player 35 or over?

McGrath because of his significant knee issues and off the field problems was essentially tossed out by Man U. That he went on to become legendary was in large part down to how he was managed, and even then there were plenty of bumps along the way.

Look I don't for a second expect Terry to be close to anything McGrath was. And of course so much depends on fitness and motivation. But for one year, could he do it? For 5m in a sport for that money barely pays for average these days, I think it's worth the risk at Championship level. I wouldn't be at all for this if we were getting him as a PL club.

That's a reasonable attitude. But it differs from the certainty of your earlier one, contained in the first quote of this quote war 😉.

I might consider it a risk worth taking without the baggage. With that, and his age, I just cannot be arsed with this deal.

We have scouts, go recruit the next, non-scummy, version of John Terry.

The next Shaun Teale would do perfectly well.

Now in my first quote of this string I said Terry would help us get promotion versus hurting us. I didn't offer a guarantee. But my overall position on this hasn't changed, if you look at my very first post on this subject. It won't just be about Terry it will be about the total package of our summer transfer window.

The truth is I'm tired of playing nice. I'll push my pride and values to the side for a season, get this cock in and pray he does what I hope he will do and provide the leadership to make a significant difference for us this season.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: ozzjim on June 27, 2017, 05:47:55 PM
I can't push my views out for this one. It's not like it is just the racism with him though, a bit financial irregularity, a bit of slipping in your best mates wife while he's not home, a bit of diving and play acting and then add in the ego, the determination to be the first on the pitch with the trophy and the general shitty attitude and it all points to avoiding him with a barge pole. Oh and he was fucking atrocious when fit last season.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 27, 2017, 05:58:49 PM
I want promotion. It might not sit well in your stomach but Terry will help us get there.

He might. He also might be a lumbering liability who costs us goals because his 37 year old legs can't catch up to Fulham or Brentford's latest 20 year old whippersnapper.

To a degree isn't that the risk with anyone? We could buy a 20 year whippersnapper to keep up with the 20 year whippersnappers but there's no guarantee they would also then be good defenders. If we always lived by that rule Paul McGrath would never have become a legend in our colours.

McGrath was 29 when we signed him. Terry is 37, the same age McGrath was when he retired.

Genuinely can't think of the last good 37 year old outfield player we signed? Even assuming Terry is better than most of his age group, when was the last good outfield signing we made of a player 35 or over?

McGrath because of his significant knee issues and off the field problems was essentially tossed out by Man U. That he went on to become legendary was in large part down to how he was managed, and even then there were plenty of bumps along the way.

Look I don't for a second expect Terry to be close to anything McGrath was. And of course so much depends on fitness and motivation. But for one year, could he do it? For 5m in a sport for that money barely pays for average these days, I think it's worth the risk at Championship level. I wouldn't be at all for this if we were getting him as a PL club.

That's a reasonable attitude. But it differs from the certainty of your earlier one, contained in the first quote of this quote war 😉.

I might consider it a risk worth taking without the baggage. With that, and his age, I just cannot be arsed with this deal.

We have scouts, go recruit the next, non-scummy, version of John Terry.

The next Shaun Teale would do perfectly well.

Now in my first quote of this string I said Terry would help us get promotion versus hurting us. I didn't offer a guarantee. But my overall position on this hasn't changed, if you look at my very first post on this subject. It won't just be about Terry it will be about the total package of our summer transfer window.

The truth is I'm tired of playing nice. I'll push my pride and values to the side for a season, get this cock in and pray he does what I hope he will do and provide the leadership to make a significant difference for us this season.

Your first quote suggests that "he will get us get [promoted]". There is no evidence for this. He might, he might not.

As for "playing nice", it's perfectly possible to sign players who have a mean streak on the pitch, without being utter scum off it.

Imagine a young black child growing up in Birmingham and not sure who to support. Imagine a black family that already attend Villa matches. Many will be unable to square supporting Villa with supporting a known racist. Even more so if, as you previously suggested, we decide to snub Chester (arguably our most consistent player last season) and make Terry captain.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: London Villan on June 27, 2017, 06:04:18 PM
At this rate he'll be at retirement age by the time he signs...
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: KevinGage on June 27, 2017, 06:28:48 PM
Or... we could just sign someone without age/injury worries for a fraction of the price, and concentrate on improving the areas where we were poor last year.

This is the bit for me.  I don't actually see the problem this signing would be fixing.  We conceded 48 goals last year - only four teams conceded fewer - so why the hell are we wasting our time looking at centre halves?

Chester's Premier League class.  Baker's perfectly adequate for the Championship as long as the midfield take the ball off him before he gives it away.  Elphick is adequate as a backup.  Is the youth team that bad that we don't have some cover coming through there?  What's happened to Toner?

SB should be focusing on how we score more goals.  Not being quite so eye-wateringly negative in his set up and tactics would be a start but the scouts should be helping him by finding some strikers who might actually fit in to his style of play, or a backup for Jedinak (if the Whelan deal isn't going to come through) so that Lansbury and Hourihane can push forward and do the job we signed them for.

Agree with most of that. 

Except Elphick and his reverse Midas touch should be stationed as far away from Villa Park as possible on match day.

Ulaanbaatar would be my preference.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on June 27, 2017, 06:35:14 PM
Or... we could just sign someone without age/injury worries for a fraction of the price, and concentrate on improving the areas where we were poor last year.

This is the bit for me.  I don't actually see the problem this signing would be fixing.  We conceded 48 goals last year - only four teams conceded fewer - so why the hell are we wasting our time looking at centre halves?

Chester's Premier League class.  Baker's perfectly adequate for the Championship as long as the midfield take the ball off him before he gives it away.  Elphick is adequate as a backup.  Is the youth team that bad that we don't have some cover coming through there?  What's happened to Toner?

SB should be focusing on how we score more goals.  Not being quite so eye-wateringly negative in his set up and tactics would be a start but the scouts should be helping him by finding some strikers who might actually fit in to his style of play, or a backup for Jedinak (if the Whelan deal isn't going to come through) so that Lansbury and Hourihane can push forward and do the job we signed them for.

This everyday for me ....sign some creativity and some strikers who can put the ball in the back of the net.

Lets worry about tightening the defence once we get promoted - right now its about outscoring the opposition and getting the fans onside ..... this whole Terry saga appears to be splitting the fan base. I agree we require some steel and leadership in the team however I am not convinced Terry is the right person to do this primarily because of his well documented indiscretions and over sized ego
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: brian green on June 27, 2017, 06:36:40 PM
Anywhere with five A's in it would do.  Aaabergaavenny or Aaloaaa would suit.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on June 27, 2017, 06:40:02 PM
Anywhere with five A's in it would do.  Aaabergaavenny or Aaloaaa would suit.
Aadvaarkia
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: saunders_heroes on June 27, 2017, 06:45:39 PM
According to the Mirror he'll be a Villa player by the weekend.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: brian green on June 27, 2017, 06:47:23 PM
Six days of self respect remaining.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: CJ on June 27, 2017, 06:49:51 PM
My last remaining hope is that it's the Mirror reporting it and they're usually wrong.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 27, 2017, 06:51:07 PM
Maybe he's only signing for us in an evil Mirror World.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on June 27, 2017, 06:53:17 PM
Lets hope Teresa May comes in with a late offer of £1b for him to join the Tories - they have a habit of having Chelsea Kit Wankers in the cabinet
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: brian green on June 27, 2017, 07:02:28 PM
I don't think the Tory to whom you allude actually wanked in his Chelsea strip.  I think you will find it was full coitus horribalis.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: brian green on June 27, 2017, 07:03:04 PM
Allegedly.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: saunders_heroes on June 27, 2017, 07:12:01 PM
I don't think the Tory to whom you allude actually wanked in his Chelsea strip.  I think you will find it was full coitus horribalis.

David Mellor? Although he's certainly a smarmy Tory knob, those stories about him shagging in his Chelsea kit were completely made up by Max Clifford.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on June 27, 2017, 07:13:20 PM
I don't think the Tory to whom you allude actually wanked in his Chelsea strip.  I think you will find it was full coitus horribalis.
Was it not spitis roastius ;)
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: brian green on June 27, 2017, 07:26:11 PM
If it was made up by Max Clifford it is a shame because it was the only interesting thing I thought David Mellor ever did.

It also appealed to my love of serendipity in great literature, Mellor almost being the name of the gardener who plaited wild flowers into Lady Chatterley's lower abdomen.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: saunders_heroes on June 27, 2017, 07:39:01 PM
If it was made up by Max Clifford it is a shame because it was the only interesting thing I thought David Mellor ever did.

It also appealed to my love of serendipity in great literature, Mellor almost being the name of the gardener who plaited wild flowers into Lady Chatterley's lower abdomen.

I'm still haunted by Mellor's "red hot soccer chat" tag line from 606 all those years ago. What were the BBC thinking!
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: LeeB on June 27, 2017, 07:39:01 PM
Lets hope Teresa May comes in with a late offer of £1b for him to join the Tories - they have a habit of having Chelsea Kit Wankers in the cabinet

They could bamboozle the EU with some red hot soccer chat.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Ads on June 27, 2017, 07:48:27 PM
1st July on Saturday (dafuq has happened to the year?) so he will be a free agent. 
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: OzVilla on June 27, 2017, 08:17:32 PM
If it was made up by Max Clifford it is a shame because it was the only interesting thing I thought David Mellor ever did.

It also appealed to my love of serendipity in great literature, Mellor almost being the name of the gardener who plaited wild flowers into Lady Chatterley's lower abdomen.

I'm still haunted by Mellor's "red hot soccer chat" tag line from 606 all those years ago. What were the BBC thinking!

"Hello footie nuts". They then compounded it further by employing DJ Spooney.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: saunders_heroes on June 27, 2017, 08:19:07 PM
If it was made up by Max Clifford it is a shame because it was the only interesting thing I thought David Mellor ever did.

It also appealed to my love of serendipity in great literature, Mellor almost being the name of the gardener who plaited wild flowers into Lady Chatterley's lower abdomen.

I'm still haunted by Mellor's "red hot soccer chat" tag line from 606 all those years ago. What were the BBC thinking!

"Hello footie nuts". They then compounded it further by employing DJ Spooney.

Oh god yeah, I forgot about that prat.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: yammers on June 27, 2017, 08:24:32 PM
Couldn't care less what the mother Theresa's think of him, if he helps us get back up I will be grateful.

You have to be "Mother Theresa" to think calling someone a "fucking black c***" is unacceptable?

You seem to have a very high tolerance of racism.

I'm going to take a wild guess... Leave voter?

Leave voter? So all leave voters are racist?! How arrogant and ignorant are you!!
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 27, 2017, 08:26:05 PM
No, they just tend to have a higher tolerance of racism. As evidenced by the pro-Leave press, which could generally be substituted for Der Sturmer.

Incidentally the number of fans voting in favour of signing Terry is almost exactly the same as the percentage who voted in favour of Leave on the "Should we stay or should we go" thread. If we deduce the "not bothered" votes it's 37.4% Terry vs 37.7% Leave. So drawing  the parallel is valid, at least among H&V posters.

Most Leave voters I've spoken to are a bit racist, if that helps?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: yammers on June 27, 2017, 08:32:08 PM
I voted to leave and I'm not in the bit racist, homophobic or anything else that you care to label a 'leave' voter!
I for one do not want Terry here either for the very reasons that you have pointed out throughout this thread but to make such flippant comments about how a person votes I find insulting.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: ozzjim on June 27, 2017, 08:33:48 PM
While there is no doubt complete lies about immigration was a major reason leave win, to label leave voters as racist en masse is OTT.

However excusing John Terry and taking the stance anything to win in my view excuses his behaviour.  As I have said, as a person that has seen racism and the effects, I can't excuse that for a few results in football that we would get without him anyway. It's a very sad day for the club to sign a player of his character.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: LeeB on June 27, 2017, 08:36:17 PM
I voted to leave and I'm not in the bit racist, homophobic or anything else that you care to label a 'leave' voter!
I for one do not want Terry here either for the very reasons that you have pointed out throughout this thread but to make such flippant comments about how a person votes I find insulting.

Somebody please think of the children
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Jim Bradley on June 27, 2017, 08:36:55 PM
It's happening. He lives round my way and just had confirmation via a neighbour
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 27, 2017, 08:40:24 PM
I don't think all Leave voters are racist, as I said. I think the majority are. Based on the ones I've met, and based on the fact that they sided with massively racist ****** like UKIP and Britain First in a vote which was more based around the issue of race than any in this country since that infamous Smethwick by-election in the sixties.

Still, Yammer. If you say you're anti-Terry and anti-racist, I'm happy to apologise to you. Sorry.

I still bear a grudge against Leave voters in general, though.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: LeeB on June 27, 2017, 08:40:32 PM
Whatever is thought of him, choosing to join us now is probably the least easiest option open to him. He's either brave or stupid, and quite probably both.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: brian green on June 27, 2017, 08:40:54 PM
Bang goes the Joe Coral opposite the Chelsea training ground.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: yammers on June 27, 2017, 08:45:58 PM
I don't think all Leave voters are racist, as I said. I think the majority are. Based on the ones I've met, and based on the fact that they sided with massively racist c***s like UKIP and Britain First in a vote which was more based around the issue of race than any in this country since that infamous Smethwick by-election in the sixties.

Still, Yammer. If you say you're anti-Terry and anti-racist, I'm happy to apologise to you. Sorry.

I still bear a grudge against Leave voters in general, though.

I am! Apology accepted, thank you.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: JUAN PABLO on June 27, 2017, 09:14:20 PM
JT  great signing .. Bring it on ...

lets hope richards and that boon bloke can do one.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: eamonn on June 27, 2017, 09:24:36 PM
Boon? What's it got to do with the Inspiral Carpets?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: AV5nobs on June 27, 2017, 09:33:21 PM
I don't think all Leave voters are racist, as I said. I think the majority are. Based on the ones I've met, and based on the fact that they sided with massively racist c***s like UKIP and Britain First in a vote which was more based around the issue of race than any in this country since that infamous Smethwick by-election in the sixties.

Still, Yammer. If you say you're anti-Terry and anti-racist, I'm happy to apologise to you. Sorry.

I still bear a grudge against Leave voters in general, though.

Any credibility you had, now gone.

What an incredible statement.

I have black and Asian friends, and in laws whom I love dearly, I voted out...and I have no ill feelings towards JT...which social bracket does that place me in?

Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 27, 2017, 09:34:38 PM
I've tried debating with you. You ask stupid questions, then disappear when called up on your bullshit.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: brentastonb6 on June 27, 2017, 09:38:51 PM
I don't think all Leave voters are racist, as I said. I think the majority are. Based on the ones I've met, and based on the fact that they sided with massively racist c***s like UKIP and Britain First in a vote which was more based around the issue of race than any in this country since that infamous Smethwick by-election in the sixties.

Still, Yammer. If you say you're anti-Terry and anti-racist, I'm happy to apologise to you. Sorry.

I still bear a grudge against Leave voters in general, though.

Any credibility you had, now gone.

What an incredible statement.

I have black and Asian friends, and in laws whom I love dearly, I voted out...and I have no ill feelings towards JT...which social bracket does that place me in?



Liberal open minded, able to make ones mind up around individual issues ?🤔
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Richard E on June 27, 2017, 09:41:01 PM
Boon? What's it got to do with the Inspiral Carpets?

I'd imagine that pretty soon you're gonna find out why.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Dave on June 27, 2017, 09:56:53 PM
I don't think all Leave voters are racist, as I said. I think the majority are. Based on the ones I've met, and based on the fact that they sided with massively racist c***s like UKIP and Britain First in a vote which was more based around the issue of race than any in this country since that infamous Smethwick by-election in the sixties.

Still, Yammer. If you say you're anti-Terry and anti-racist, I'm happy to apologise to you. Sorry.

I still bear a grudge against Leave voters in general, though.

Any credibility you had, now gone.

What an incredible statement.

I have black and Asian friends, and in laws whom I love dearly, I voted out...and I have no ill feelings towards JT...which social bracket does that place me in?

I appreciate that you weren't the one to start this particular line of discussion, but there is a perfectly decent (if depressing) thread in off-topic for this type of thing if people want to talk about it.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Nastylee on June 27, 2017, 10:02:53 PM
Trying to link politics to this was inflammatory and foolish. Maybe some leave voters suspect this country can't support an ever growing population, especially with severe cuts in public services.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 27, 2017, 10:07:08 PM
We've supported "an ever growing population" in every decade, pretty much, since the Black Death, with brief intermissions for war, and can continue to do so.

More people living here means more taxpayers.

Any public service cuts are purely ideological.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Richard E on June 27, 2017, 10:11:25 PM
Has anyone seen the John Terry Thread anywhere?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: aldridgeboy on June 27, 2017, 10:11:46 PM
This is hardly ITK, and it's not exactly a scoop now it's in the press anyhow. But some friends were speaking to Harry Redknapp in a restaurant in Majorca Sunday night. He said Terry to us is a done deal , but for £100k a week and blues couldn't compete. (He could also have been lying I realise )
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: AV5nobs on June 27, 2017, 10:13:03 PM
I've tried debating with you. You ask stupid questions, then disappear when called up on your bullshit.

You simply cannot make a comment without using expletives, this suggests some real issues that I would seek help on my friend.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 27, 2017, 10:14:35 PM
I've tried debating with you. You ask stupid questions, then disappear when called up on your bullshit.

You simply cannot make a comment without using expletives, this suggests some real issues that I would seek help on my friend.

Every expletive is an extra word in a person's vocabulary. Real snobs know that. Winky.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: dave.woodhall on June 27, 2017, 10:25:15 PM
Can we please get back to talking about John Terry and his apparently imminent arrival. Thank you.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: eamonn on June 27, 2017, 10:27:45 PM
On a two year deal that's over £10m. Just hope this doesn't end in tears.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: AV5nobs on June 27, 2017, 10:38:01 PM
I genuinely think JT can bring something to the table and I for one will welcome him with open arms if it comes off.

Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 27, 2017, 10:39:41 PM
Quote
The Daily Mirror claim Villa have outdone rivals Birmingham by giving Terry a £5m, one-year deal which also includes huge bonuses.

Harry Redknapp has accepted defeat in trying to sign the 36-year-old with Steve Bruce set to complete a massive transfer for the club.

Despite interest from West Brom, Swansea and Bournemouth, Terry wants the challenge of playing in the Championship and trying to earn promotion to the Premier League.

He is also reluctant to play against Chelsea next season.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Risso on June 27, 2017, 11:07:15 PM
Quote
The Daily Mirror claim Villa have outdone rivals Birmingham by giving Terry a £5m, one-year deal which also includes huge bonuses.

Harry Redknapp has accepted defeat in trying to sign the 36-year-old with Steve Bruce set to complete a massive transfer for the club.

Despite interest from West Brom, Swansea and Bournemouth, Terry wants the challenge of playing in the Championship and trying to earn promotion to the Premier League.

He is also reluctant to play against Chelsea next season.

I've never believed a word they said since they proclaimed that Muzzy Izzet was joining us.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: itbrvilla on June 27, 2017, 11:07:37 PM
I've tried debating with you. You ask stupid questions, then disappear when called up on your bullshit.

You simply cannot make a comment without using expletives, this suggests some real issues that I would seek help on my friend.

(https://i.imgflip.com/l1352.jpg)
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 27, 2017, 11:19:27 PM
The only, tiny, slither of hope I can take from this is that it makes Small Heath more likely to sign Elphick.

Eta: fuck bollocks wank.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on June 27, 2017, 11:36:28 PM
I have a lot of respect for Steve Bruce and his "sane but plodding" style of management but I just dont see what he sees in this transfer. I really dont.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: AV5nobs on June 27, 2017, 11:44:49 PM
More than half aren't against JT coming now, interesting how this poll, granted on a small section of our entire Fan base has swung the other way.

Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: The Laughing Policeman on June 28, 2017, 12:05:38 AM
According to the Mirror he'll be signing at the weekend, the same time as we unveil our new kit and main sponsor. And it's a one year £5 million deal.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-poised-complete-john-10698510
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 28, 2017, 12:16:51 AM
I assume the new kit comes with a hood?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: ROBBO on June 28, 2017, 12:17:07 AM
He is on huge bonuses apparently these would be based on Villa getting promoted one would assume, the incentive is there. Terry's ego is too big for him to come to Villa for a holiday he will want to come out a winner and that's why I believe he will do a job for us. Would you want him as your BFF probably not but would you want him coming up for corners, most definitely.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 28, 2017, 12:19:05 AM
I assume the new kit comes with a hood?

He's already bought 3 season tickets down VP, all in K block.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Gareth on June 28, 2017, 12:25:16 AM
I look forward to seeing a Villa centre half who can actually pass a ball, be a real novelty - like that there is a huge bonus for promotion - incentive to get it done.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: KevinGage on June 28, 2017, 12:30:34 AM
More than half aren't against JT coming now, interesting how this poll, granted on a small section of our entire Fan base has swung the other way.

I'd say you and you alone have convinced the doubters, naysayers and Moaning Minnies.

Silvertongue.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: The Laughing Policeman on June 28, 2017, 12:38:54 AM
If he is coming, I hope he's got the legs to get him through what could a 49 game league season counting the play offs plus whatever cup runs we put together.
I'm just not enamoured of the idea that he's going to be on a silly deal and playing part time because his legs aren't what they used to be.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: olaftab on June 28, 2017, 02:24:58 AM
I genuinely think JT can bring something to the table
That is an expensive waiter!
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: boozey182 on June 28, 2017, 07:02:09 AM
Quote
The Daily Mirror claim....
He is also reluctant to play against Chelsea next season.

That's not really in the article.....is it?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: AV5nobs on June 28, 2017, 07:07:26 AM
I genuinely think JT can bring something to the table
That is an expensive waiter!

Indeed sir, however, if I want a sublime aged steak I'm going to Simpsons of Edgbaston, not The Figure of Eight steak club of Broad St...free drink or no free drink.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Ads on June 28, 2017, 07:16:32 AM
There's no medical booked apparently so it would seem unlikely he'll sign at the weekend.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on June 28, 2017, 10:16:26 AM
Birmingham City fan Harry Beevis has promised to get Harry Redknapp’s face tattooed on his arse if the club sign John Terry.

http://www.talkingbaws.com/2017/06/birmingham-city-fan-promises-get-harry-redknapps-face-tattoo-arse-sign-john-terry/
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Damo70 on June 28, 2017, 10:23:57 AM
Birmingham City fan Harry Beevis has promised to get Harry Redknapp’s face tattooed on his arse if the club sign John Terry.

http://www.talkingbaws.com/2017/06/birmingham-city-fan-promises-get-harry-redknapps-face-tattoo-arse-sign-john-terry/


Harry Redknapp's face looks like an arse so nobody would detect it was a tattoo.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: LeeB on June 28, 2017, 10:24:22 AM
Birmingham City fan Harry Beevis has promised to get Harry Redknapp’s face tattooed on his arse if the club sign John Terry.

http://www.talkingbaws.com/2017/06/birmingham-city-fan-promises-get-harry-redknapps-face-tattoo-arse-sign-john-terry/

That's nothing, Jack Butthead has promised to set Harry up a labyrinth of offshore bank accounts should Blues make the play offs.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Damo70 on June 28, 2017, 10:27:28 AM
I genuinely think JT can bring something to the table
That is an expensive waiter!

Indeed sir, however, if I want a sublime aged steak I'm going to Simpsons of Edgbaston, not The Figure of Eight steak club of Broad St...free drink or no free drink.


Fiesta Del Asado, the Argentinian restaurant on the Hagley Road is my favourite. If I remember right our very own PWS recommended it to me.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: LeeB on June 28, 2017, 10:28:24 AM
I genuinely think JT can bring something to the table
That is an expensive waiter!

Indeed sir, however, if I want a sublime aged steak I'm going to Simpsons of Edgbaston, not The Figure of Eight steak club of Broad St...free drink or no free drink.


Fiesta Del Asado, the Argentinian restaurant on the Hagley Road is my favourite. If I remember right our very own PWS recommended it to me.

Wonderful food.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: oldtimernow on June 28, 2017, 11:42:37 AM
Own up , who's eaten the bife de costilla on their own?

Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Clampy on June 28, 2017, 12:35:33 PM
There's no medical booked apparently so it would seem unlikely he'll sign at the weekend.

It wouldnt surprise me if it was all done and dusted already if he his coming.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: KRS on June 28, 2017, 01:46:42 PM
Well SSN have picked this up now so it's looking more and more likely that it could be happening...if it does, then I hope the decision makers know what they are doing and as fans we're just going to have come to terms with the fact that we've got a complete and utter bellend playing for us, and hope that he can deliver consistently good performances on the pitch and have he can have a positive affect on the dressing to inspire the rest of the team to gain promotion.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Damo70 on June 28, 2017, 01:53:41 PM
Own up , who's eaten the bife de costilla on their own?

I did eat the thickest steak I have ever eaten in my life there. It took a while to cook it properly. I thought I was going to have pop back the next day when it was ready.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Clampy on June 28, 2017, 02:00:49 PM
I go past the one on the Hagley Road some mornings, and that's the only thing that I can add to the conversation really.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 28, 2017, 02:07:05 PM
I genuinely think JT can bring something to the table
That is an expensive waiter!

Indeed sir, however, if I want a sublime aged steak I'm going to Simpsons of Edgbaston, not The Figure of Eight steak club of Broad St...free drink or no free drink.


Fiesta Del Asado, the Argentinian restaurant on the Hagley Road is my favourite. If I remember right our very own PWS recommended it to me.

Yep, pretty sure I mentioned it a while back. It's just round the corner from me, i've never eaten there but only ever hear good things about it.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: paul_e on June 28, 2017, 02:07:08 PM
Fiesta Del Asado is part of the Lasan group and all of their restaurants are great.

Raja Monkey in Hall Green is probably my favourite, the Veggie Dosa they do is superb.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Pat McMahon on June 28, 2017, 02:13:52 PM
Fiesta Del Asado is part of the Lasan group and all of their restaurants are great.

Raja Monkey in Hall Green is probably my favourite, the Veggie Dosa they do is superb.

Veggie dosas are not easy to find but good ones are amazing.

Sagar, a veggie Indian near our office, does wonderful dosas.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: peter w on June 28, 2017, 03:23:24 PM
I've tried debating with you. You ask stupid questions, then disappear when called up on your bullshit.

No need to be so belligerent.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cheltenhamlion on June 28, 2017, 06:20:46 PM
There's no medical booked apparently so it would seem unlikely he'll sign at the weekend.

I don't know, I got a little nibble through earlier this was pretty much done.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Damo70 on June 28, 2017, 06:43:17 PM
Fiesta Del Asado is part of the Lasan group and all of their restaurants are great.

Raja Monkey in Hall Green is probably my favourite, the Veggie Dosa they do is superb.


Whereabouts in Hall Green is it? Judging by The Evening Mails top ten fish and chip shops Hall Green is the chippy capital of Birmingham.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Can Gana Be Bettered!?!? on June 28, 2017, 06:54:40 PM
Fiesta Del Asado is part of the Lasan group and all of their restaurants are great.

Raja Monkey in Hall Green is probably my favourite, the Veggie Dosa they do is superb.


Whereabouts in Hall Green is it? Judging by The Evening Mails top ten fish and chip shops Hall Green is the chippy capital of Birmingham.

Opposite Waitrose. They do really great food there.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: The Edge on June 28, 2017, 07:56:07 PM
I assume the new kit comes with a hood?
Or a snood?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: class-of-82 on June 28, 2017, 08:00:19 PM
had a steak at the gaucho restaurant near Tottenham court road
hope jt is as good as that steak was
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: N'ZMAV on June 28, 2017, 08:04:06 PM
John Terry will be the best manager we've had for years.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: The Edge on June 28, 2017, 08:18:27 PM
I voted yes in the John Terry poll. Honestly the only way I can square the circle is to separate the argument for the player from what I think of him as a man. The question I asked myself is this. If he captained the Villa to the hoard of silverware Chelsea have won in recent years would we turn a blind eye to his many faults? I'm pretty sure most Villa fans could ignore it. Just as Chelsea fans have done. IMHO that's the bottom line. Whether or not he's past it well I guess time will tell, be that at Villa Park or elsewhere.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: olaftab on June 28, 2017, 08:24:26 PM
There's no medical booked apparently so it would seem unlikely he'll sign at the weekend.
I am sure he insisted on no medical after all he is a legend.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 28, 2017, 08:30:36 PM
He's always busy this time of year, getting ready to go and collect the Wimbledon trophy.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: olaftab on June 28, 2017, 08:31:13 PM
Or... we could just sign someone without age/injury worries for a fraction of the price, and concentrate on improving the areas where we were poor last year.
Oh you mean build a proper team? What's wrong with you?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on June 28, 2017, 08:44:52 PM
He's always busy this time of year, getting ready to go and collect the Wimbledon trophy.

He's just putting his headband on and polishing his racket. Quite an acheivement after winning the henley regatta
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Ads on June 28, 2017, 08:58:38 PM
There's no medical booked apparently so it would seem unlikely he'll sign at the weekend.

I don't know, I got a little nibble through earlier this was pretty much done.

Medical could be Monday now.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: adrenachrome on June 28, 2017, 10:00:16 PM
Happy Mondays.

My heart leaps with Joy at the prospect of what is next up SB's ample sleeve.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on June 28, 2017, 10:53:47 PM
Or... we could just sign someone without age/injury worries for a fraction of the price, and concentrate on improving the areas where we were poor last year.
Oh you mean build a proper team? What's wrong with you?
This is crazy talk!

Where would it end?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: AV5nobs on June 28, 2017, 11:12:16 PM
Like Elphick, that turned out well didn't it.

The sooner JT signs the better.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Axl Rose on June 29, 2017, 01:06:48 AM
Or... we could just sign someone without age/injury worries for a fraction of the price, and concentrate on improving the areas where we were poor last year.
Oh you mean build a proper team? What's wrong with you?
This is crazy talk!

Where would it end?

I'm baffled by such common sense. Please elaborate.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 29, 2017, 01:09:18 AM
You'll be suggesting that we use tactics and try off the ball movement next. Nutters. We'll have none of that malarky at Aston Villa thank you very much.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 29, 2017, 01:47:27 AM
On his Instagram account shown working out at Chelsea, Terry shows greater speed than Baker, greater control and distribution than Elphick.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BVmJlWvjke0/
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Dave on June 29, 2017, 07:07:38 AM
Like Elphick, that turned out well didn't it.

The sooner JT signs the better.

What on earth are you talking about?

Because Elphick was rubbish we should be spending huge amounts of money on a 36 year old rather than buying players that we need more?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: ozzjim on June 29, 2017, 07:19:14 AM
Like a keeper that looks like joining Boro for 2.5m that will likely be worth 10 in 18 months time.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Duncan Shaw on June 29, 2017, 07:26:29 AM
On his Instagram account shown working out at Chelsea, Terry shows greater speed than Baker, greater control and distribution than Elphick.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BVmJlWvjke0/

Shouldn't the fact he's in, working at Chelsea pretty much alone to maintain his fitness and sharpness tell us all we need to know - from a football side - about his desire and commitment to still being able to cut it next season?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on June 29, 2017, 08:00:53 AM
On his Instagram account shown working out at Chelsea, Terry shows greater speed than Baker, greater control and distribution than Elphick.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BVmJlWvjke0/

Shouldn't the fact he's in, working at Chelsea pretty much alone to maintain his fitness and sharpness tell us all we need to know - from a football side - about his desire and commitment to still being able to cut it next season?

Only he is not - he is training with Jody Morris. The same 'character' that he was on an assault charge with 15 years ago.

Running around in a 15-20 second clip does not convince me he can cope with more football in one Championship season than he has probably had in 3-4 years.

The test is not to be better than Elphick, he's not in our starting 11. As central defense is not our greatest priority we should only be investing £5m if the player recruited is a guaranteed upgrade and starter available most weeks. I simply don't see him as that - he is a gamble and/or vanity project (imo) and we don't need to either.

Plus, I simply wouldn't have him at the Villa just because of the baggage he brings and the type of bloke he is.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: AV5nobs on June 29, 2017, 08:21:04 AM
£5 million (wages and bonuses) is such an absurd amount to potentially be a significant signing in staying in this turgid league or going back up to the Premiership.

I would sooner us pay £5m to never see Baker in a Villa shirt again, oaf who couldn't pass wind.

Get him signed.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: themossman on June 29, 2017, 08:21:28 AM
On his Instagram account shown working out at Chelsea, Terry shows greater speed than Baker, greater control and distribution than Elphick.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BVmJlWvjke0/

Talk about damning with faint praise ;-)

He's also less racist than Hitler!
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on June 29, 2017, 08:37:02 AM
£5 million (wages and bonuses) is such an absurd amount to potentially be a significant signing in staying in this turgid league or going back up to the Premiership.

I would sooner us pay £5m to never see Baker in a Villa shirt again, oaf who couldn't pass wind.

Get him signed.

Bizarre that you see Terry or Baker as the only choice we have. Even if it were, I would rather Baker, but it is not so (imo) we should strengthen with someone other than EBJT.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Clampy on June 29, 2017, 08:46:27 AM
Absolutely nothing,  don't want him anywhere near us for footballing reasons, not social contradictions.


Someone has changed their tune from 5 days ago.

Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: AV5nobs on June 29, 2017, 09:02:42 AM
The prospect of Elphick and Baker anywhere near that squad is just too scary, Inwould rather have Bacuna at centre half than those two clowns.

Just get him signed so we can all move on.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: in exile on June 29, 2017, 10:39:47 AM
The prospect of Elphick and Baker anywhere near that squad is just too scary, Inwould rather have Bacuna at centre half than those two clowns.

Just get him signed so we can all move on.

Come and have a hug hunni
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: The Laughing Policeman on June 29, 2017, 11:28:12 AM
I hear that one of his demands is that the team give him a guard of honour each time he's substituted, and on his debut he gets to run round the ground holding our European Cup aloft.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on June 29, 2017, 11:34:58 AM
50 pages in 8 days is impressive.
Only the appointment of small heath managers or dictators naming stands after themselves can compete with that.
No lack of pace there. 
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: DB on June 29, 2017, 11:40:06 AM
The prospect of Elphick and Baker anywhere near that squad is just too scary, Inwould rather have Bacuna at centre half than those two clowns.

Just get him signed so we can all move on.


You mean you need to move on.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: AV5nobs on June 29, 2017, 11:43:15 AM
Hopefully he can notch up a few goals from set pieces for us too.

Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: boozey182 on June 29, 2017, 11:44:27 AM
I hear that one of his demands is that the team give him a guard of honour each time he's substituted, and on his debut he gets to run round the ground holding our European Cup aloft.

I heard that he insists on being subsituted after 26 minutes every match (assuming he lasts that long), and if the opposition have the ball they have to kick it out before the minute is out. Plus any mention of falling over whilst taking a penalty will result in a instant ban from the stadium.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: ironmaidenmania on June 29, 2017, 12:07:16 PM
Read on BBC Football Gossip that Terry could be our next manager to take over from Bruce. Not sure if he's done any badges. Suppose this is a step towards managing Chelsea.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 29, 2017, 12:39:47 PM
There's no medical booked apparently so it would seem unlikely he'll sign at the weekend.

I don't know, I got a little nibble through earlier this was pretty much done.

Medical could be Monday now.

He's still on holiday in the Algarve.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 29, 2017, 01:37:37 PM
I hear that one of his demands is that the team give him a guard of honour each time he's substituted, and on his debut he gets to run round the ground holding our European Cup aloft.
In his Chelsea kit.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Damo70 on June 29, 2017, 01:46:32 PM
Read on BBC Football Gossip that Terry could be our next manager to take over from Bruce. Not sure if he's done any badges. Suppose this is a step towards managing Chelsea.


It doesn't work like that though does it? I remember everyone presuming one day Bryan Robson would manage United.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 29, 2017, 01:50:49 PM
Which he almost certainly would've done, had he been successful.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Pat McMahon on June 29, 2017, 01:54:12 PM
Read on BBC Football Gossip that Terry could be our next manager to take over from Bruce. Not sure if he's done any badges. Suppose this is a step towards managing Chelsea.


It doesn't work like that though does it? I remember everyone presuming one day Bryan Robson would manage United.

I'm still hopeful on that one
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Deano's Mullet on June 29, 2017, 02:44:36 PM
The management rumour strikes me as bullshit. Suppose we had another bad start and Bruce is under severe pressure to go as early as October/November. Surely theres no way Terry could take over and do the job that soon even if his contract he was supposed to be the immediate successor? You thought O'Leary was unpopular, I cant imagine this unpleasant human being taking over as Villa boss.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: simboy on June 29, 2017, 02:48:05 PM
My real concern about him - putting aside the man off the pitch for a moment - if SB almost designs a defensive system for him ... some suggestion of three centre halves partly to make up for the pace side of things  ... and he pulls up in the second game where does that leave us? 

Big gamble. One I hope pays off as I wouldn't mind paying big bucks even to this horrible individual to see us promoted... but then I sold my soul to the Villa many many years ago
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: KevinGage on June 29, 2017, 02:57:19 PM
The management rumour strikes me as bullshit. Suppose we had another bad start and Bruce is under severe pressure to go as early as October/November. Surely theres no way Terry could take over and do the job that soon even if his contract he was supposed to be the immediate successor?

The rumour may well be bullshit.  But it's not a stretch to see John Terry looking at Steve Bruce and thinking he is on a sticky wicket with a bad start.  Roy Keane might have had similar ideas when he agreed to be Lamberk's no 2.

He only has to go back 12 months and see how patient Xia was with his mate Bobby di Matteo for reference.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Deano's Mullet on June 29, 2017, 03:02:46 PM
The management rumour strikes me as bullshit. Suppose we had another bad start and Bruce is under severe pressure to go as early as October/November. Surely theres no way Terry could take over and do the job that soon even if his contract he was supposed to be the immediate successor?

The rumour may well be bullshit.  But it's not a stretch to see John Terry looking at Steve Bruce and thinking he is on a sticky wicket with a bad start.  Roy Keane might have had similar ideas when he agreed to be Lamberk's no 2.

He only has to go back 12 months and see how patient Xia was with his mate Bobby di Matteo for reference.

Exactly. I honestly thought the same with Keane/Lambert. There's no doubt Bruce is under pressure this season but talk of him being replaced by a new signing would certainly heap it on him even more.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: olaftab on June 29, 2017, 10:28:16 PM
£5 million (wages and bonuses) is such an absurd amount to potentially be a significant signing in staying in this turgid league or going back up to the Premiership.

I would sooner us pay £5m to never see Baker in a Villa shirt again, oaf who couldn't pass wind.

Get him signed.
Your village must be missing you....
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: avfc_1874 on June 29, 2017, 10:58:15 PM
A John Terry thread, that has ended up with arguments about Brexit. I'm not even surprised.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: LeeB on June 29, 2017, 11:07:31 PM
A John Terry thread, that has ended up with arguments about Brexit. I'm not even surprised.

Terry means Terry.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: AV5nobs on June 29, 2017, 11:33:21 PM
£5 million (wages and bonuses) is such an absurd amount to potentially be a significant signing in staying in this turgid league or going back up to the Premiership.

I would sooner us pay £5m to never see Baker in a Villa shirt again, oaf who couldn't pass wind.

Get him signed.
Your village must be missing you....

Irony defined from Castle Brom.

Enjoy.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Axl Rose on June 29, 2017, 11:42:28 PM
£5 million (wages and bonuses) is such an absurd amount to potentially be a significant signing in staying in this turgid league or going back up to the Premiership.

I would sooner us pay £5m to never see Baker in a Villa shirt again, oaf who couldn't pass wind.

Get him signed.
Your village must be missing you....

Irony defined from Castle Brom.

Enjoy.

What does that even mean?

Are you actually John Terry?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: AV5nobs on June 29, 2017, 11:44:11 PM
Serious question?

What on earth are you talking about.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 29, 2017, 11:51:20 PM
A John Terry thread, that has ended up with arguments about Brexit. I'm not even surprised.

True. It's a racist magnet.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Axl Rose on June 29, 2017, 11:51:49 PM
Serious question?

What on earth are you talking about.

Yes, a serious question. The first part, anyway.

I don't live where you live, so I've no idea what your sentence means.

Also, as someone who regularly reads this page, I think it's more than clear that you want Villa to sign John Terry. It's your opinion, I don't think you need to be defending it with such rigourous passion. It's just non stop, and slightly monotonous.

When/if he signs, you can buy the shirt, get his name on the back and lift an imaginary Championship trophy in your living room.

That's what I'm talking about.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: AV5nobs on June 29, 2017, 11:54:50 PM
Are you drunk? What imaginary trophy?

Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Axl Rose on June 30, 2017, 12:03:23 AM
Are you drunk? What imaginary trophy?



Oh, don't worry about it. I was attempting humour, and failing miserably by the looks of it.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: saunders_heroes on June 30, 2017, 07:35:43 AM
£5 million (wages and bonuses) is such an absurd amount to potentially be a significant signing in staying in this turgid league or going back up to the Premiership.

I would sooner us pay £5m to never see Baker in a Villa shirt again, oaf who couldn't pass wind.

Get him signed.
Your village must be missing you....

That's a bit uncalled for.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on June 30, 2017, 08:42:08 AM
@avfctransfers1 has just tweeted that a medical has been booked. Normally rated as quite reliable.

Not a signing I want to see.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Axl Rose on June 30, 2017, 08:51:44 AM
£5 million (wages and bonuses) is such an absurd amount to potentially be a significant signing in staying in this turgid league or going back up to the Premiership.

I would sooner us pay £5m to never see Baker in a Villa shirt again, oaf who couldn't pass wind.

Get him signed.
Your village must be missing you....

That's a bit uncalled for.

I'm completely lost here, as I tried to say earlier. What's all this village talk? Aftab, are you being naughty, mate?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: aev on June 30, 2017, 09:55:04 AM
I am surprised I haven't seen a picture of him holding up the European Cup in Rotterdam.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on June 30, 2017, 10:21:10 AM
@avfctransfers1 has just tweeted that a medical has been booked. Normally rated as quite reliable.

Not a signing I want to see.

He seems ITK. Called everything spot on in January. Sounds like Terry is ours.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: avfcdale on June 30, 2017, 10:21:48 AM
the Dr has just tweeted, someone has signed
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: frank black on June 30, 2017, 10:22:30 AM
Tony's tweeted we have signed someone too.✍️👏🏻#UTV
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: paul_e on June 30, 2017, 10:23:20 AM
£5 million (wages and bonuses) is such an absurd amount to potentially be a significant signing in staying in this turgid league or going back up to the Premiership.

I would sooner us pay £5m to never see Baker in a Villa shirt again, oaf who couldn't pass wind.

Get him signed.
Your village must be missing you....

That's a bit uncalled for.

I'm completely lost here, as I tried to say earlier. What's all this village talk? Aftab, are you being naughty, mate?

He was calling him an idiot.

On topic, I'm resigned to this happening now but I'm very worried that it will backfire because I honestly don't think he'll be able to play enough games to be worth the cost.

That said, on the positive side at least it's a good bit of dick swinging.  We're the biggest club in this league by a long way and that should involve us convincing players who are too good for this division to give us a season and help us get out of it, that's why I didn't like the strategy of signing decent players from this level.  Someone like Chester who had played a fair few games in the premier league the year before and shown he belonged there was a great signing and, unsurprisingly he was one of the genuinely successful signings last year.  Taylor (despite my reservations) started to look like another as did Jedinak.  Of the signings from the championship only Kodjia looked anything like what we expected.  Signing players who are too good for where we are is the best way to stop being here and whilst I don't know if Terry is that he sends a signal that we can attract players who are perceived to be better than where we are.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Axl Rose on June 30, 2017, 10:25:17 AM
£5 million (wages and bonuses) is such an absurd amount to potentially be a significant signing in staying in this turgid league or going back up to the Premiership.

I would sooner us pay £5m to never see Baker in a Villa shirt again, oaf who couldn't pass wind.

Get him signed.
Your village must be missing you....

That's a bit uncalled for.

I'm completely lost here, as I tried to say earlier. What's all this village talk? Aftab, are you being naughty, mate?

He was calling him an idiot.

On topic, I'm resigned to this happening now but I'm very worried that it will backfire because I honestly don't think he'll be able to play enough games to be worth the cost.

That said, on the positive side at least it's a good bit of dick swinging.  We're the biggest club in this league by a long way and that should involve us convincing players who are too good for this division to give us a season and help us get out of it, that's why I didn't like the strategy of signing decent players from this level.  Someone like Chester who had played a fair few games in the premier league the year before and shown he belonged there was a great signing and, unsurprisingly he was one of the genuinely successful signings last year.  Taylor (despite my reservations) started to look like another as did Jedinak.  Of the signings from the championship only Kodjia looked anything like what we expected.  Signing players who are too good for where we are is the best way to stop being here and whilst I don't know if Terry is that he sends a signal that we can attract players who are perceived to be better than where we are.

Cheers Paul_e.

It's been a long day.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Villatillidie25 on June 30, 2017, 10:25:59 AM
£5 million (wages and bonuses) is such an absurd amount to potentially be a significant signing in staying in this turgid league or going back up to the Premiership.

I would sooner us pay £5m to never see Baker in a Villa shirt again, oaf who couldn't pass wind.

Get him signed.
Your village must be missing you....

That's a bit uncalled for.

I'm completely lost here, as I tried to say earlier. What's all this village talk? Aftab, are you being naughty, mate?

He was calling him an idiot.

On topic, I'm resigned to this happening now but I'm very worried that it will backfire because I honestly don't think he'll be able to play enough games to be worth the cost.

That said, on the positive side at least it's a good bit of dick swinging.  We're the biggest club in this league by a long way and that should involve us convincing players who are too good for this division to give us a season and help us get out of it, that's why I didn't like the strategy of signing decent players from this level.  Someone like Chester who had played a fair few games in the premier league the year before and shown he belonged there was a great signing and, unsurprisingly he was one of the genuinely successful signings last year.  Taylor (despite my reservations) started to look like another as did Jedinak.  Of the signings from the championship only Kodjia looked anything like what we expected.  Signing players who are too good for where we are is the best way to stop being here and whilst I don't know if Terry is that he sends a signal that we can attract players who are perceived to be better than where we are.

Couldn't agree more. Sign championship players, become a championship team.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Nelson Lodge on June 30, 2017, 10:29:42 AM
Life's too short to read the previous pages, so this player may have been mentioned before in connection with JT. If my father and grandfather were alive today I am quite sure they would be drawing comparisons to Frank Barson. An interesting character to say the least for his part in Villa history. To the best of my knowledge JT has yet to get a 7 month ban from football. Here is a link for anyone interested in our great history.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2014/dec/16/forgotten-story-frank-barson-aston-villa-manchester-united
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: manic-road on June 30, 2017, 10:50:26 AM
Life's too short to read the previous pages, so this player may have been mentioned before in connection with JT. If my father and grandfather were alive today I am quite sure they would be drawing comparisons to Frank Barson. An interesting character to say the least for his part in Villa history. To the best of my knowledge JT has yet to get a 7 month ban from football. Here is a link for anyone interested in our great history.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2014/dec/16/forgotten-story-frank-barson-aston-villa-manchester-united

That's a great read, and nowadays players go tumbling at the slightest hint of "contact" I bet Barson wouldn't like today's game.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Mister E on June 30, 2017, 11:05:55 AM

On topic, I'm resigned to this happening now but I'm very worried that it will backfire because I honestly don't think he'll be able to play enough games to be worth the cost.

That said, on the positive side at least it's a good bit of dick swinging.  We're the biggest club in this league by a long way and that should involve us convincing players who are too good for this division to give us a season and help us get out of it, that's why I didn't like the strategy of signing decent players from this level.  Someone like Chester who had played a fair few games in the premier league the year before and shown he belonged there was a great signing and, unsurprisingly he was one of the genuinely successful signings last year.  Taylor (despite my reservations) started to look like another as did Jedinak.  Of the signings from the championship only Kodjia looked anything like what we expected.  Signing players who are too good for where we are is the best way to stop being here and whilst I don't know if Terry is that he sends a signal that we can attract players who are perceived to be better than where we are.
As you say, looks like it's happening.
I think the critical issue with JT is not so much his fitness - it's clear that we won't get 50 games out of him - but his attitude. If he is coming to Villa to serve an apprenticeship into coaching and management and he takes that seriously, we may find that he will knock some current egos into shape and we'll see a more purposeful and focussed squad. If - au contraire - he is simply here for the money and as a career wind-down, it'll be a nightmare.
Will we get the serious and focussed pro or King John with the gargantuan ego and golden boots?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: LeeB on June 30, 2017, 11:08:43 AM

On topic, I'm resigned to this happening now but I'm very worried that it will backfire because I honestly don't think he'll be able to play enough games to be worth the cost.

That said, on the positive side at least it's a good bit of dick swinging.  We're the biggest club in this league by a long way and that should involve us convincing players who are too good for this division to give us a season and help us get out of it, that's why I didn't like the strategy of signing decent players from this level.  Someone like Chester who had played a fair few games in the premier league the year before and shown he belonged there was a great signing and, unsurprisingly he was one of the genuinely successful signings last year.  Taylor (despite my reservations) started to look like another as did Jedinak.  Of the signings from the championship only Kodjia looked anything like what we expected.  Signing players who are too good for where we are is the best way to stop being here and whilst I don't know if Terry is that he sends a signal that we can attract players who are perceived to be better than where we are.
As you say, looks like it's happening.
I think the critical issue with JT is not so much his fitness - it's clear that we won't get 50 games out of him - but his attitude. If he is coming to Villa to serve an apprenticeship into coaching and management and he takes that seriously, we may find that he will knock some current egos into shape and we'll see a more purposeful and focussed squad. If - au contraire - he is simply here for the money and as a career wind-down, it'll be a nightmare.
Will we get the serious and focussed pro or King John with the gargantuan ego and golden boots?

The encouraging thing for me is that there would have been far easier options than us if he was just taking the money and winding down.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 30, 2017, 11:18:26 AM
I've never hated a Villa player before. 😔
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: MoetVillan on June 30, 2017, 11:19:57 AM
Djemba Djemba tested my patience. 
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Eckybloke on June 30, 2017, 11:23:00 AM
Are there any examples anywhere of a one-club man who is a good player in his prime, who when coming to the end of his career manages to make a success of his next move or two?

I'm continually getting visions of old boxers hanging on for one last payday and then just becoming desperate and embarrassing!

 :-\
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Hopadop on June 30, 2017, 11:34:09 AM
I've never hated a Villa player before. 😔

I didn't like Fashanu much, but he never felt like ours.

I'm seriously thinking about taking a sabbatical. They'll miss my three games and a couple of tops in the sale next year.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: AV5nobs on June 30, 2017, 11:36:05 AM
I don't want to like a player, I want them to do their job and produce results.

Ashley Westwood was a likeable Person.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: AV5nobs on June 30, 2017, 11:37:32 AM
I've never hated a Villa player before. 😔

I didn't like Fashanu much, but he never felt like ours.

I'm seriously thinking about taking a sabbatical. They'll miss my three games and a couple of tops in the sale next year.

Dr Tone must be on the phone as we speak reversing the move.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Hopadop on June 30, 2017, 11:39:59 AM
I don't want to like a player, I want them to do their job and produce results.

Ashley Westwood was a likeable Person.

I'd agree if you're talking about the manager of the Tescos down the road, or the head of the armed forces; basically anything quite important.

But for me, supporting a football isn't a logical, hard-headed decision and I don't want any of the players to be massive ******, no matter how good they are.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 30, 2017, 11:46:26 AM
I don't want to like a player, I want them to do their job and produce results.

Ashley Westwood was a likeable Person.

I'd agree if you're talking about the manager of the Tescos down the road, or the head of the armed forces; basically anything quite important.

But for me, supporting a football isn't a logical, hard-headed decision and I don't want any of the players to be massive c***s, no matter how good they are.

Or how good they used to be.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Dr Butler on June 30, 2017, 11:48:11 AM
where does Terry rank against one of the most despicable toe rags to ever wear the Villa jersey...Hodge

maybe we should do a top 10 toe rags that played for Villa ?

UTV
The Doc
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on June 30, 2017, 11:53:58 AM
I might not want John Terry to move to Villa, but he deserve a clean slate at Villa and all it matters what he do for Villa over his time of contract. We could be grooming him to replace Steve Bruce in few years time, and he had great education at Chelsea working with all these managers.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on June 30, 2017, 11:55:36 AM
I've never hated a Villa player before. 😔

Bloody hell. I have. Most of the wankers who got us relegated for starters.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Steve67 on June 30, 2017, 12:04:44 PM
I've never hated a Villa player before. 😔

Bloody hell. I have. Most of the wankers who got us relegated for starters.

Bacuna for me. Regardless of how well he might play on the odd occasion. I can't stand him.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Mister E on June 30, 2017, 12:09:07 PM
Robert Hopkins was low-life to the power of n.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Damo70 on June 30, 2017, 12:16:18 PM
Robert Hopkins was low-life to the power of n.


I used to see him pissed as a fart in Rosies in Solihull. Apart from the time I saw him as pissed as a fart in the Shelley Farm in Shirley. Apparently he was from Pitmaston Road Hall Green and he and his brothers were quite notorious growing up.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 30, 2017, 12:21:45 PM

On topic, I'm resigned to this happening now but I'm very worried that it will backfire because I honestly don't think he'll be able to play enough games to be worth the cost.

That said, on the positive side at least it's a good bit of dick swinging.  We're the biggest club in this league by a long way and that should involve us convincing players who are too good for this division to give us a season and help us get out of it, that's why I didn't like the strategy of signing decent players from this level.  Someone like Chester who had played a fair few games in the premier league the year before and shown he belonged there was a great signing and, unsurprisingly he was one of the genuinely successful signings last year.  Taylor (despite my reservations) started to look like another as did Jedinak.  Of the signings from the championship only Kodjia looked anything like what we expected.  Signing players who are too good for where we are is the best way to stop being here and whilst I don't know if Terry is that he sends a signal that we can attract players who are perceived to be better than where we are.
As you say, looks like it's happening.
I think the critical issue with JT is not so much his fitness - it's clear that we won't get 50 games out of him - but his attitude. If he is coming to Villa to serve an apprenticeship into coaching and management and he takes that seriously, we may find that he will knock some current egos into shape and we'll see a more purposeful and focussed squad. If - au contraire - he is simply here for the money and as a career wind-down, it'll be a nightmare.
Will we get the serious and focussed pro or King John with the gargantuan ego and golden boots?

The encouraging thing for me is that there would have been far easier options than us if he was just taking the money and winding down.

That's true, it suggests he probably still has the desire to achieve something.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Zouch Villa on June 30, 2017, 12:23:23 PM
Djemba Djemba tested my patience. 
Both of them?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: London Villan on June 30, 2017, 12:43:46 PM
I've never hated a Villa player before. 😔

I hate of a lot of the clowns that got us relegated...

I do wonder if AVBJT will reference some the reactions he received at Villa Park - or by past experience he probably didn't even notice.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: chrisw1 on June 30, 2017, 12:50:32 PM
He'll get my support.

And if (I appreciate it's a pretty big if) he starts putting in heart on the sleeve dominant performances for us, I think the rest of you will come round to it pretty quickly too.  If he inspires us to promotion, people will be singing his praises.

It could certainly end up as another Lescott / Richards type move, but for now I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and hope it turns out to be inspired.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: montague on June 30, 2017, 01:18:47 PM
He'll get my support.

And if (I appreciate it's a pretty big if) he starts putting in heart on the sleeve dominant performances for us, I think the rest of you will come round to it pretty quickly too.  If he inspires us to promotion, people will be singing his praises.

It could certainly end up as another Lescott / Richards type move, but for now I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and hope it turns out to be inspired.

Terry is a vastly superior player to Lescott and Richards with a vastly superior mentality and attitude.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: frank black on June 30, 2017, 01:22:13 PM
He'll get my support.

And if (I appreciate it's a pretty big if) he starts putting in heart on the sleeve dominant performances for us, I think the rest of you will come round to it pretty quickly too.  If he inspires us to promotion, people will be singing his praises.

It could certainly end up as another Lescott / Richards type move, but for now I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and hope it turns out to be inspired.

Terry is a vastly superior player to Lescott and Richards with a vastly superior mentality and attitude.

His mentality and attitude maybe great, but if the legs say no the legs say no. It's going to be down to this to decide whether it's a good move or not.. we shall see
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 30, 2017, 01:24:48 PM
I can't remember anyone questioning Lescott's attitude before he signed for us.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: paul_e on June 30, 2017, 01:27:59 PM
He'll get my support.

And if (I appreciate it's a pretty big if) he starts putting in heart on the sleeve dominant performances for us, I think the rest of you will come round to it pretty quickly too.  If he inspires us to promotion, people will be singing his praises.

It could certainly end up as another Lescott / Richards type move, but for now I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and hope it turns out to be inspired.

Terry is a vastly superior player to Lescott and Richards with a vastly superior mentality and attitude.

He is, that's why my comparison on this thread has always been Pires who had an excellent career and a brilliant attitude but was just too old when he joined.  Shay Given is another decent example as well.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: chrisw1 on June 30, 2017, 02:21:47 PM
He'll get my support.

And if (I appreciate it's a pretty big if) he starts putting in heart on the sleeve dominant performances for us, I think the rest of you will come round to it pretty quickly too.  If he inspires us to promotion, people will be singing his praises.

It could certainly end up as another Lescott / Richards type move, but for now I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and hope it turns out to be inspired.

Terry is a vastly superior player to Lescott and Richards with a vastly superior mentality and attitude.

He is, that's why my comparison on this thread has always been Pires who had an excellent career and a brilliant attitude but was just too old when he joined.  Shay Given is another decent example as well.
These examples are pointless though.  How old was Sheringham when he scored 20 goals for West Ham?  Or McAllister when he went to Liverpool?

We have absolutely no idea how JT will perform.  But is is certainly possible he will be a great asset.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 30, 2017, 02:45:27 PM
I don't think anyone is arguing that he "could" be an asset. He could be, or he could be useless. That's far from certain.

What is certain is that he's on tape racially abusing someone and will make young black children think twice before deciding to become Villa fans.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Ad@m on June 30, 2017, 02:46:00 PM
He'll get my support.

And if (I appreciate it's a pretty big if) he starts putting in heart on the sleeve dominant performances for us, I think the rest of you will come round to it pretty quickly too.  If he inspires us to promotion, people will be singing his praises.

It could certainly end up as another Lescott / Richards type move, but for now I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and hope it turns out to be inspired.

Terry is a vastly superior player to Lescott and Richards with a vastly superior mentality and attitude.

He is, that's why my comparison on this thread has always been Pires who had an excellent career and a brilliant attitude but was just too old when he joined.  Shay Given is another decent example as well.
These examples are pointless though.  How old was Sheringham when he scored 20 goals for West Ham?  Or McAllister when he went to Liverpool?

We have absolutely no idea how JT will perform.  But is is certainly possible he will be a great asset.

Isn't it equally as certainly possible he'll be the equivalent of setting fire to £5m in the Holte End car park whilst simultaneously pissing off the rest of the squad and alienating a big chunk of the fan base?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: AV5nobs on June 30, 2017, 02:54:10 PM
My next door neighbours are black and there 12 year old son is very excited at the thought of JT wearing our claret and blue, and he's aware of the whole racist remarks.

Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: TheMalandro on June 30, 2017, 02:57:54 PM
He'll get my support.

And if (I appreciate it's a pretty big if) he starts putting in heart on the sleeve dominant performances for us, I think the rest of you will come round to it pretty quickly too.  If he inspires us to promotion, people will be singing his praises.

It could certainly end up as another Lescott / Richards type move, but for now I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and hope it turns out to be inspired.

Terry is a vastly superior player to Lescott and Richards with a vastly superior mentality and attitude.

He is, that's why my comparison on this thread has always been Pires who had an excellent career and a brilliant attitude but was just too old when he joined.  Shay Given is another decent example as well.
These examples are pointless though.  How old was Sheringham when he scored 20 goals for West Ham?  Or McAllister when he went to Liverpool?

We have absolutely no idea how JT will perform.  But is is certainly possible he will be a great asset.

Isn't it equally as certainly possible he'll be the equivalent of setting fire to £5m in the Holte End car park whilst simultaneously pissing off the rest of the squad and alienating a big chunk of the fan base?

It sure is.

I think everyone agrees that he's a cock. But also that he's been a great player.
I think it's a good gamble.

I can't trivialise what he's done in the past but I can also see Peter W's point, earlier in the thread.
He's certainly not had a problem since that incident.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: paul_e on June 30, 2017, 03:01:55 PM
He'll get my support.

And if (I appreciate it's a pretty big if) he starts putting in heart on the sleeve dominant performances for us, I think the rest of you will come round to it pretty quickly too.  If he inspires us to promotion, people will be singing his praises.

It could certainly end up as another Lescott / Richards type move, but for now I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and hope it turns out to be inspired.

Terry is a vastly superior player to Lescott and Richards with a vastly superior mentality and attitude.

He is, that's why my comparison on this thread has always been Pires who had an excellent career and a brilliant attitude but was just too old when he joined.  Shay Given is another decent example as well.
These examples are pointless though.  How old was Sheringham when he scored 20 goals for West Ham?  Or McAllister when he went to Liverpool?

We have absolutely no idea how JT will perform.  But is is certainly possible he will be a great asset.

They really aren't pointless, they're examples of older players moving to a new club.  Sheringham is actually a perfect example of how it could work out well and I do accept that it could happen. Mcallister on the other hand is exactly what I'm worried about.  He was 35 when he signed for Liverpool and his first season was superb but the next season was a year too far and he looked spent by about February.  He managed to eek out another 18 months at coventry after that but mainly because he was the player manager and kept picking himself.

That's the concern as I've said a few times, at that age things go south pretty quickly and Terry could be fine now and fucked by Christmas.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: DB on June 30, 2017, 03:02:42 PM
My next door neighbours are black and there 12 year old son is very excited at the thought of JT wearing our claret and blue, and he's aware of the whole racist remarks.



What's your point?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: LeeB on June 30, 2017, 03:29:02 PM
My next door neighbours are black and there 12 year old son is very excited at the thought of JT wearing our claret and blue, and he's aware of the whole racist remarks.



What are the chances?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: olaftab on June 30, 2017, 03:54:26 PM
My next door neighbours are black and there 12 year old son is very excited at the thought of JT wearing our claret and blue, and he's aware of the whole racist remarks.
Based on that I am now quite happy and looking forward to wearing the shirt with his name on the back.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 30, 2017, 04:13:18 PM
He'll get my support.

And if (I appreciate it's a pretty big if) he starts putting in heart on the sleeve dominant performances for us, I think the rest of you will come round to it pretty quickly too.  If he inspires us to promotion, people will be singing his praises.

It could certainly end up as another Lescott / Richards type move, but for now I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and hope it turns out to be inspired.

Terry is a vastly superior player to Lescott and Richards with a vastly superior mentality and attitude.

He is, that's why my comparison on this thread has always been Pires who had an excellent career and a brilliant attitude but was just too old when he joined.  Shay Given is another decent example as well.
These examples are pointless though.  How old was Sheringham when he scored 20 goals for West Ham?  Or McAllister when he went to Liverpool?

We have absolutely no idea how JT will perform.  But is is certainly possible he will be a great asset.

They really aren't pointless, they're examples of older players moving to a new club.  Sheringham is actually a perfect example of how it could work out well and I do accept that it could happen. Mcallister on the other hand is exactly what I'm worried about.  He was 35 when he signed for Liverpool and his first season was superb but the next season was a year too far and he looked spent by about February.  He managed to eek out another 18 months at coventry after that but mainly because he was the player manager and kept picking himself.

That's the concern as I've said a few times, at that age things go south pretty quickly and Terry could be fine now and fucked by Christmas.
Centre half is one position that a lack of pace and slowing of reactions will leave you dreadfully exposed.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Damo70 on June 30, 2017, 04:16:42 PM
Talking to a Villa fan mate of mine on the phone earlier I said the problem was that we have no form guide for him from last season. If he had had a fantastic full season last time round we could point to that.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: AV5nobs on June 30, 2017, 04:21:55 PM
It has been alluded to that due to a player not convicted of racism by law, potentially joining our great club, that ethnic juveniles in Brum may choose to support Man Utd or Arsenal, strange I've never seen a Man Utd shirt round here before.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: CT on June 30, 2017, 04:36:21 PM
It has been alluded to that due to a player not convicted of racism by law, potentially joining our great club, that ethnic juveniles in Brum may choose to support Man Utd or Arsenal, strange I've never seen a Man Utd shirt round here before.

Do you think it would be better all round if he joined SHA? Any drop in support wouldn't really be noticed then would it?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: KevinGage on June 30, 2017, 04:40:33 PM
Mcallister on the other hand is exactly what I'm worried about.  He was 35 when he signed for Liverpool and his first season was superb but the next season was a year too far and he looked spent by about February. 

I'm against this deal on so many levels.  But if- for the sake of argument- Terry tips the balance the way McAllister did for that Liverpool side, I'd have no complaints from a playing point of view. Even if he was only effective for 12 months.  I'd still be against the move for other reasons well covered by this point.

On the playing side, my concern is that this deal will be far more like the Joe Cole, Senderos, Kieran Richardson, Lescott masterstrokes we have pulled recently.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: AV5nobs on June 30, 2017, 04:42:35 PM
I would actually prefer any kid walking around the area wearing SHA, Sandwell or Wolves as opposed to the afore mentioned glory hunting shirts.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Leicester_Villian on June 30, 2017, 04:58:29 PM
If the JT contract was a one maybe two year at 50/60k a week with a bonus for promotion that would make good business sense .......... For the playing side of AVFC I believe it could be a positive move ........ he is a real leader which we lack .....Chester did well as captain but he is not vocal as JT would be.
The negatives would be that there has been baggage in the past but I believe we need to put that to one side if it benefits us
There is a massive difference between Prem and our current level ...even Lescott may have looked capable (only maybe)
If Ruddy came in also you are starting to see the strong spine which we have lacked
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: paul_e on June 30, 2017, 04:59:44 PM
Mcallister on the other hand is exactly what I'm worried about.  He was 35 when he signed for Liverpool and his first season was superb but the next season was a year too far and he looked spent by about February. 

I'm against this deal on so many levels.  But if- for the sake of argument- Terry tips the balance the way McAllister did for that Liverpool side, I'd have no complaints from a playing point of view. Even if he was only effective for 12 months.  I'd still be against the move for other reasons well covered by this point.

On the playing side, my concern is that this deal will be far more like the Joe Cole, Senderos, Kieran Richardson, Lescott masterstrokes we have pulled recently.

Absolutely, but Mcallister, when he joined Liverpool, was a year younger than Terry is.  It that' drop off around his 37th birthday that is the concern.  There's a reason why you don't see many players that old still playing.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: eamonn on June 30, 2017, 05:22:25 PM
My next door neighbours are black and there 12 year old son is very excited at the thought of JT wearing our claret and blue, and he's aware of the whole racist remarks.



What's your point?

He's anecdotally debunking the theory posited. Not going on large-sample sizes because he's not weird but by daily life as a human to whom this is a minor thing in the grand scheme so don't be so pissy with him, yeah?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: eamonn on June 30, 2017, 05:25:52 PM
I have noticed in recent years that Terry often goes out of his way to appear a decent human, like when he dedicated a Chelsea Chumps League win to the victims of a school bus crash in Europe a couple of years ago which seemed quite out of character (for most footballers, not just him to be fair.) Or how he was praised for dealing with a girl who was following him and his wife around a store swearing at him every few seconds. Over-compensating for the reputation that precedes, maybe.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Clampy on June 30, 2017, 05:45:40 PM
Didn't he pay for a young girl's funeral a few years back?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: brian green on June 30, 2017, 06:06:01 PM
I do not think I am alone in saying that my opinion of John Terry will not change if we storm the league or struggle again.  Not all of us are so shallow that his playing performance will change our view of the man.  My objections are that the pursuit of John Terry perpetuates the three vices that have put us where we are.  1.  Lazy, quick fix management.  2. Profligacy with the owner's money.  3. Unecessary risk taking. 

I will save my cheering for other Villa player's.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on June 30, 2017, 06:17:04 PM
John Terry ........................I would prefer we sign June and Terry
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Steve67 on June 30, 2017, 06:17:32 PM
I guess it's a matter of perspective. I don't really like Terry for his antics on and off the pitch, but he is not Jimmy Saville, Fred West or an IS terrorist. If he signs, which seems likely, I still won't like him but I will support the team with or without him in it. It's a risk in as much that his legs might be gone, the expense and the reputation of the club.  That said, I think other clubs will hopefully fear us all the more.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: LeeB on June 30, 2017, 06:21:49 PM
John Terry ........................I would prefer we sign June and Terry

Still time to sign Terry in June.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cheltenhamlion on June 30, 2017, 06:23:26 PM
Time to hold your nose folks it seems.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: AV5nobs on June 30, 2017, 06:28:05 PM
JT is not be a stranger to being abused, alienated, etc...he will get over a small minority of people refusing to cheer when his name appears, lack of JT shirts sold or fanzines going into meltdown.

Trust me if Villa start well the Holte will be singing his name.

Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 30, 2017, 06:30:27 PM
Who's going to boycott then? PWS sent his season ticket back yet?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on June 30, 2017, 06:34:43 PM
I'm going to bite my lip if it's a one off - but if we sign Luis Suarez as well, I'm done.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on June 30, 2017, 06:39:37 PM
I'm going to bite my lip if it's a one off - but if we sign Luis Suarez as well, I'm done.

Its all right Suarez will bite it off for you !
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 30, 2017, 06:47:55 PM
Who's going to boycott then? PWS sent his season ticket back yet?

Considered it, but I can't justify following a team that has a rapist playing for them and refusing to follow a team that has a racist.

Like with Goodwillie, I'll still support the team but I won't cheer for Terry.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: stuart445 on June 30, 2017, 06:55:13 PM
Trying to link politics to this was inflammatory and foolish. Maybe some leave voters suspect this country can't support an ever growing population, especially with severe cuts in public services.

Well by voting to leave means that there will be even more cuts to the already thread bare public service. So leaving the EU isn't going to improve things it's going to cause more damage is anything.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: AV5nobs on June 30, 2017, 06:56:55 PM
When a goal goes in I'm sure Terry will definitely be able to identify whom from the 35k is standing and clapping with a moral high ground.

Behave
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: TheMalandro on June 30, 2017, 06:57:38 PM
Who's going to boycott then? PWS sent his season ticket back yet?

Considered it, but I can't justify following a team that has a rapist playing for them and refusing to follow a team that has a racist.

Like with Goodwillie, I'll still support the team but I won't cheer for Terry.

What other teams do you like? I fancy a flutter on Adam Johnsons next destination.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 30, 2017, 07:17:05 PM
Who's going to boycott then? PWS sent his season ticket back yet?

I don't have a ST to send back. I won't be going to as many games as usual though.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: LeeB on June 30, 2017, 07:17:15 PM
Trying to link politics to this was inflammatory and foolish. Maybe some leave voters suspect this country can't support an ever growing population, especially with severe cuts in public services.

Well by voting to leave means that there will be even more cuts to the already thread bare public service. So leaving the EU isn't going to improve things it's going to cause more damage is anything.

It's a funny post, complaining about bringing politics into the thread and then making a specific political point. I've seen a similar instances on Facebook, and I can only conclude that the claimant is not offended by the politics as such, more that they disagree with them.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on June 30, 2017, 07:17:43 PM
When a goal goes in I'm sure Terry will definitely be able to identify whom from the 35k is standing and clapping with a moral high ground.

Behave

Not liking racists = moral high ground. 

Oh well, at least you're consistent.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: AV5nobs on June 30, 2017, 08:02:17 PM
Point being people either don't subscribe to a footballer saying one sentence or they they do but can't be arsed to spend money and time to go to a stadium and refuse to celebrate a goal / win because of one sentence from a footballer.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: BegbieAV on June 30, 2017, 08:06:21 PM
For all his faults Terry is a born winner, he has to win and he's a bad loser, that sort of mentality you don't lose. A bit of fight for a change wouldn't go amiss
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on June 30, 2017, 08:09:15 PM
What's that Snobs? You can subscribe to John Terry's racism?! Do you get a free gift?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: AV5nobs on June 30, 2017, 08:14:02 PM
Please provide proof of criminal racism charges or is it just your opinion that one exchange makes one a racist?

Do educate me.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Dave on June 30, 2017, 08:14:15 PM
he is a real leader which we lack .....Chester did well as captain but he is not vocal as JT would be.

Does the bit of elastic around Chester's arm stop the other players from hearing Terry shouting things?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: AV5nobs on June 30, 2017, 08:16:46 PM
Hopefully he will be shouting how to pass a ball correctly unlike our inadequate back four.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 30, 2017, 08:20:38 PM
Who's going to boycott then? PWS sent his season ticket back yet?

Considered it, but I can't justify following a team that has a rapist playing for them and refusing to follow a team that has a racist.

Like with Goodwillie, I'll still support the team but I won't cheer for Terry.

What other teams do you like? I fancy a flutter on Adam Johnsons next destination.

I like Athletic Bilbao, but I'm fairly certain they won't sign him. Unless he's got a Basque granddad.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on June 30, 2017, 08:31:49 PM
Please provide proof of criminal racism charges or is it just your opinion that one exchange makes one a racist?

Do educate me.

What's the point? You don't want to be educated. I've answered that question already. Lots of people besides me have expressed legitimate reasons why they're uncomfortable with this signing, yet you still think supercilious crowing is the appropriate tone. It's getting a bit tedious now.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: The Edge on June 30, 2017, 08:32:11 PM
Who's going to boycott then? PWS sent his season ticket back yet?

I don't have a ST to send back. I won't be going to as many games as usual though.
Come on. If we have a good season and we're fighting for the league you won't be able to stop yourself.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: AV5nobs on June 30, 2017, 08:36:46 PM
You've answered the question.

And yes it's become tedious.

Roll on JT signing
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 30, 2017, 08:38:55 PM
Who's going to boycott then? PWS sent his season ticket back yet?

I don't have a ST to send back. I won't be going to as many games as usual though.
Come on. If we have a good season and we're fighting for the league you won't be able to help yourself.

Actually it's pretty easy to. I can't be arsed going into the whys etc, but i've done it before. I didn't renew that summer and never saw a game as we stormed to the top of the league under JG. I went to a couple of games at the end of the season. From ST to 2 or 3 games.

I couldn't care less if folks agree with me, they can go to VP in full Chelsea kit with 'Terry' on the back wearing a EBJT mask for all I care, They do what they want, i'll do what's right for me. Unlike at least one person on this thread is with anyone who doesn't like Terry signing, i'm not telling people they are wrong for being fine with him signing. Do your own thing.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: four fornicholl on June 30, 2017, 08:41:01 PM
Who's going to boycott then? PWS sent his season ticket back yet?

I don't have a ST to send back. I won't be going to as many games as usual though.
Come on. If we have a good season and we're fighting for the league you won't be able to stop yourself.
It's going to be a bit surreal having him playing for us, but if he he takes us up I would shake his hand. Whilst containing my inner reservations. UTV.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: AV5nobs on June 30, 2017, 08:41:51 PM
Amen
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on June 30, 2017, 09:23:30 PM
Well I don't agree with the transfer due to him being passed it but as with any other Villa player welcome JT.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on June 30, 2017, 09:29:37 PM
If he is here, then good luck man. Get us promoted, wear the sacred colours with pride and be a model professional. Villa fans are a open minded bunch so he will be given a chance I know that.

Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: CT on June 30, 2017, 09:36:08 PM
It was pointed out to me that it will be the second year running we've signed a player who had just won a PL medal.

Let's hope his season lasts a little longer than Ritchie De Laet's!
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on June 30, 2017, 09:45:28 PM
It was pointed out to me that it will be the second year running we've signed a player who had just won a PL medal.

Let's hope his season lasts a little longer than Ritchie De Laet's!

I had forgotten about him! Hopefully he can contribute this season!
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: PaulTheVillan on June 30, 2017, 10:08:36 PM
Hopefully this really does mean we can fuck Micah Richards off.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 30, 2017, 10:17:10 PM
Hopefully this really does mean we can fuck Micah Richards off.
Hard to imagine how EBJTwould address this matter.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Londonvilla on June 30, 2017, 10:50:54 PM
http://talksport.com/football/john-terry-agrees-join-aston-villa-one-year-deal-reports-170630244971

John Terry agrees to join Aston Villa on one-year deal

The sideshow begins....................Welcome Mr Terry
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: caster troy on June 30, 2017, 11:33:55 PM
This can't be real surely?

If true I think this will be the most embarrassing thing Villa have done since McLeish came in, which is really saying something. I've been pretty heartbroken at how low we've sunk, it's made me fall out of love with football (I barely watch any games these days) And now this, my most hated player of all time supposedly signing for us? Wake me when this nightmare is over.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on June 30, 2017, 11:36:21 PM
That's the spirit.  I think he's passed it but I still think it's amusing he's picked us over smethwick.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: OzVilla on June 30, 2017, 11:36:45 PM
I'm ok with it, if we refused to sign any footballers that had ever behaved like dickheads in the past we'd struggle to get a decent side out.

I'm far more concerned about scoring goals next season than this.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Dave on June 30, 2017, 11:43:54 PM
I'm ok with it, if we refused to sign any footballers that had ever behaved like dickheads in the past we'd struggle to get a decent side out.

On the flip side, if we refused to sign any footballers banned for racist behaviour then we would have signed all the same players that we actually signed.

Until this one.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: He wears a magic hat on July 01, 2017, 12:27:29 AM
We are about to sign a player that has been arguably the best defender in the country for the last god knows how many years and all we do is moan about what an arsehole he is despite him being found not guilty in a court of law.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: VancouverLion on July 01, 2017, 12:43:41 AM
This can't be real surely?

If true I think this will be the most embarrassing thing Villa have done since McLeish came in, which is really saying something. I've been pretty heartbroken at how low we've sunk, it's made me fall out of love with football (I barely watch any games these days) And now this, my most hated player of all time supposedly signing for us? Wake me when this nightmare is over.
Are you for real?! Lol!!!
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: garyshawsknee on July 01, 2017, 12:54:21 AM
This can't be real surely?

If true I think this will be the most embarrassing thing Villa have done since McLeish came in, which is really saying something. I've been pretty heartbroken at how low we've sunk, it's made me fall out of love with football (I barely watch any games these days) And now this, my most hated player of all time supposedly signing for us? Wake me when this nightmare is over.

I do know what you mean. I've slated and moaned about Terry for years. If he gets us promoted, ill probably turn into the biggest hypocrite known to man.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 01, 2017, 01:17:12 AM
When has a decrepit, racist centre-half ever got a team promoted?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Smoke on July 01, 2017, 01:18:07 AM
The kind of big name that the refs will love chatting to and having reffed a game with him in.
Wouldn't be suprised to see us get less harsh yellows and silly red cards with him in the team, we might finally get some 'big club' treatment we've been on otherside of for years.

Does [arry mode] Top Top Playa [/arry mode] experience and vision win over sheer pace in this league? possibly. Looks like we're about to find out!
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 01, 2017, 01:21:06 AM
We're the biggest club in the second division. And, sadly, we're acting like it.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: The_Rev1 on July 01, 2017, 01:32:57 AM
It doesn't strike me as a particularly good bit of business from a footballing point of view.  We had one of the best defences in the league last season, it was lack of goals which cost us, and the Chester Baker partnership seems more than good enough for the Championship.  I can't see how Terry can do much on the pitch to solve our issues going forwards, he's probably better than Nathan Baker but not £100k a week or whatever he'll be getting paid better, so I can't see the point beyond the fact that he's a "name" and Xia thinks bringing him in is a statement of intent which will attract other players and sponsors to the club, I mean a pre season tour of China will probably generate more press if we've got a player in the team that the locals have actually heard of. 

Thing is, Terry is an arsehole.  I kinda like disliking him.  Maybe he'll be brilliant but part of me wonders if a guy so synonymous with one club will have his heart in it when he moves to another. I'm guessing his family will be staying in Surrey while he's in digs up in Brum somewhere. Will Terry be meeting people, shaking hands, making things happen off the pitch in an ambassadorial role or will he shooting off back down the M40 every chance he gets?   Hopefully I'm won over, but as I stand right now I just don't get it.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: brentastonb6 on July 01, 2017, 02:18:02 AM
When has a decrepit, racist centre-half ever got a team promoted?
Next year hopefully?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 01, 2017, 03:12:36 AM
When has a decrepit, racist centre-half ever got a team promoted?
Next year hopefully?

Hopefully.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: AV5nobs on July 01, 2017, 04:02:22 AM
Always a first time for everything.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: AV5nobs on July 01, 2017, 06:47:03 AM
My next door neighbours are black and there 12 year old son is very excited at the thought of JT wearing our claret and blue, and he's aware of the whole racist remarks.



What are the chances?

What, a black family supporting Villa in suburban Birmingham?

Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: brian green on July 01, 2017, 09:13:47 AM
I thought suburban Birmingham was Solihull.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Clampy on July 01, 2017, 09:44:58 AM
I went for the 'don't care' option. Not that I didn't care but I was neither totally for or totally against it. Anyway, it looks like he's here now so the best thing to do is wish him luck and hope it works out for us.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: LeeB on July 01, 2017, 09:47:46 AM
My next door neighbours are black and there 12 year old son is very excited at the thought of JT wearing our claret and blue, and he's aware of the whole racist remarks.



What are the chances?

What, a black family supporting Villa in suburban Birmingham?



That you just happened to live next to a black family that had a 12 year old Villa fan, and that his thoughts on Terry are in line with your reasoning.

You never mentioned his take on Gazza's racist remarks when you were defending him last year, that's all.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: brian green on July 01, 2017, 10:08:02 AM
For the first time since Tony Xia took over I begin to have niggling doubts about him.  He seemed to want RDM because he was a high profile known name.  Now he seems to backing the use of a substantial amount of his money with the same motivation.  Our priorities should be the maximisation of the abilities of a talented squad.  Picking the right teams, playing them in their best positions, being tactically astute, getting the team fully fit, building team spirit, getting rid of dead wood from the squad.  Instead the focus has shifted to us becoming John Terry's Aston Villa.

The first half dozen games of the new season are as important as any in our history.  I wish I was more confident.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: andyh on July 01, 2017, 10:12:20 AM
For the first time since Tony Xia took over I begin to have niggling doubts about him.  He seemed to want RDM because he was a high profile known name.  Now he seems to backing the use of a substantial amount of his money with the same motivation.  Our priorities should be the maximisation of the abilities of a talented squad.  Picking the right teams, playing them in their best positions, being tactically astute, getting the team fully fit, building team spirit, getting rid of dead wood from the squad.  Instead the focus has shifted to us becoming John Terry's Aston Villa.

The first half dozen games of the new season are as important as any in our history.  I wish I was more confident.
Completely agree.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Richard E on July 01, 2017, 10:16:41 AM
Possibly. It depends whether it's Bruce or Dr Tony who really wants him.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: brian green on July 01, 2017, 10:22:09 AM
No way Bruce would be allowed to spend that amount of money without consulting the owner.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Clampy on July 01, 2017, 10:25:53 AM
No way Bruce would be allowed to spend that amount of money without consulting the owner.

I presume that's the case for all transfers. The manager says who he wants and if it's financially viable, they try and do it.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: amfy on July 01, 2017, 10:26:34 AM
Yes but there is a difference between Xia wanting big names and Xia backing his manager.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: mr underhill on July 01, 2017, 10:40:34 AM
I see trouble ahead.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 01, 2017, 10:48:09 AM
I can understand the concerns. It already looks like Bruce is going to indulge him and give him the captaincy straight away which I'm dead against so that part I don't like if it happens.

Point was made somewhere in the press yesterday that lots of clubs when they're trying to improve the mentality and winning ability of a squad get in an old player to help.

Chelsea did it in the mid 90s with Gullit, Man. City did it with Vieria and Liverpool did it with Gary Mac in 2001. All seen as passed it when they signed although non of them were convicted racists I concede.

If we were doing this at prem level I'd be massively concerned that he'd be another Ginola, Joe Cole or Schmiechel. Fine players but all way past their best when they signed.

At this level I just don't see him being found out as the standard is really poor.

Yes we were miles off promotion but that to me was down to our mentality and terrible lack of fighting spirit. It was a joke we pretty much lost every game last season when we concede first. Hopefully he'll help to correct that.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Monty on July 01, 2017, 11:01:50 AM
I think it's a low moment, and funnily enough I don't even care if he improves us. But, more's the point, is he really the very best we can do for the money we're paying him? Or is Bruce just being an unimaginative starfucker here?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 01, 2017, 11:03:57 AM
Yes but there is a difference between Xia wanting big names and Xia backing his manager.

100% and I think based on those golf days it's more likely to be the latter.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: itbrvilla on July 01, 2017, 11:08:19 AM
I think it's a low moment, and funnily enough I don't even care if he improves us. But, more's the point, is he really the very best we can do for the money we're paying him? Or is Bruce just being an unimaginative starfucker here?
Agree totally. Just come firms my opinion of him. Another chancer that is out of his depth with no imagination  and no idea of what we need.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 01, 2017, 11:16:53 AM
I think it's a low moment, and funnily enough I don't even care if he improves us. But, more's the point, is he really the very best we can do for the money we're paying him? Or is Bruce just being an unimaginative starfucker here?
Agree totally. Just come firms my opinion of him. Another chancer that is out of his depth with no imagination  and no idea of what we need.

Well we don't know really. If his level hasn't declined too much then he is the best we can get for that money. If his level is like 75% of what he used to be he'll be the best defender in the league by a distance. It's just that if, which we won't know until he's playing.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Chris Jameson on July 01, 2017, 11:21:11 AM
It's going to happen isn't it? I hate the thought of him in a Villa shirt, I don't understand the signing at all.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 01, 2017, 11:23:52 AM
I get the signing from a footballing perspective, subject to the 'if' I mentioned above. Combined with the fact he could probably get easier gigs for more money, which suggests he still has motivation to achieve something. But yeah the character element is the big red flag.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: avfcpg on July 01, 2017, 11:25:12 AM
Weird signing...and not my favorite by any means. Will he improve us? Yes, even though the defence wasn't a major issue. IMO it's not leaders, winners, experience and such like that we need most. We need Bruce to sort this formation and style of playing out. That the major issue for me.

Anyway, my love for Villa is greater than my disliking of Terry so if it improves us on the pitch then all well and good with me. 
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: AV5nobs on July 01, 2017, 11:32:55 AM
Weird signing...and not my favorite by any means. Will he improve us? Yes, even though the defence wasn't a major issue. IMO it's not leaders, winners, experience and such like that we need most. We need Bruce to sort this formation and style of playing out. That the major issue for me.

Anyway, my love for Villa is greater than my disliking of Terry so if it improves us on the pitch then all well and good with me.

Most sensible and honest post of the year by far.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Ads on July 01, 2017, 11:57:44 AM
A question;

It's October (you see where this is going?), you're in Mordor, it's the 95th minute and it's 1-1 in the battle between good and evil. A corner to us at the Agbonlahor End. It's whipped in. John Terry rises like a Grand Wizard. He bladders the ball into the net.

What do you do?

You charge down the front like an extra in Braveheart (silly film)? You tut loudly? You're not watching as you're boycotting?

Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: KevinGage on July 01, 2017, 12:07:16 PM
Cheer the goal not the man? 

I had no problems celebrating that shitbag Agbonlahor's goal against SHA, for example.

A far more likely scenario is 97 year-old John Terry won't be lasting until the 95th minute anyroad.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Chris Jameson on July 01, 2017, 12:13:18 PM
If it's on the TV there is no chance i'll still be awake by the 95th minute.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Taylor on July 01, 2017, 12:42:41 PM
Weird signing...and not my favorite by any means. Will he improve us? Yes, even though the defence wasn't a major issue. IMO it's not leaders, winners, experience and such like that we need most. We need Bruce to sort this formation and style of playing out. That the major issue for me.

Anyway, my love for Villa is greater than my disliking of Terry so if it improves us on the pitch then all well and good with me.

Most sensible and honest post of the year by far.
Spot on.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: The Edge on July 01, 2017, 12:49:03 PM
Weird signing...and not my favorite by any means. Will he improve us? Yes, even though the defence wasn't a major issue. IMO it's not leaders, winners, experience and such like that we need most. We need Bruce to sort this formation and style of playing out. That the major issue for me.

Anyway, my love for Villa is greater than my disliking of Terry so if it improves us on the pitch then all well and good with me.
Common sense prevails.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: saunders_heroes on July 01, 2017, 01:11:02 PM
For the first time since Tony Xia took over I begin to have niggling doubts about him.  He seemed to want RDM because he was a high profile known name.  Now he seems to backing the use of a substantial amount of his money with the same motivation.  Our priorities should be the maximisation of the abilities of a talented squad.  Picking the right teams, playing them in their best positions, being tactically astute, getting the team fully fit, building team spirit, getting rid of dead wood from the squad.  Instead the focus has shifted to us becoming John Terry's Aston Villa.

The first half dozen games of the new season are as important as any in our history.  I wish I was more confident.

I think you're trying to suggest that Xia is trying to inflict certain players onto the manager. I think Bruce would walk if it was the chairman buying the players and not the manager.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: The Man With A Stick on July 01, 2017, 01:18:31 PM
This can't be real surely?

If true I think this will be the most embarrassing thing Villa have done since McLeish came in, which is really saying something. I've been pretty heartbroken at how low we've sunk, it's made me fall out of love with football (I barely watch any games these days) And now this, my most hated player of all time supposedly signing for us? Wake me when this nightmare is over.

More embarrassing than relegation, countless cup defeats against lower league shite or having Chelsea, Liverpool and Southampton put at least 5 past us?

I don't particularly like the man either but like all new signings we should wipe the slate clean and give him a chance.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: saunders_heroes on July 01, 2017, 01:29:55 PM
This can't be real surely?

If true I think this will be the most embarrassing thing Villa have done since McLeish came in, which is really saying something. I've been pretty heartbroken at how low we've sunk, it's made me fall out of love with football (I barely watch any games these days) And now this, my most hated player of all time supposedly signing for us? Wake me when this nightmare is over.

More embarrassing than relegation, countless cup defeats against lower league shite or having Chelsea, Liverpool and Southampton put at least 5 past us?

I don't particularly like the man either but like all new signings we should wipe the slate clean and give him a chance.

Spot on. Such an over the top reaction considering the shit this club has been through since 2010.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Clampy on July 01, 2017, 01:34:14 PM
For the first time since Tony Xia took over I begin to have niggling doubts about him.  He seemed to want RDM because he was a high profile known name.  Now he seems to backing the use of a substantial amount of his money with the same motivation.  Our priorities should be the maximisation of the abilities of a talented squad.  Picking the right teams, playing them in their best positions, being tactically astute, getting the team fully fit, building team spirit, getting rid of dead wood from the squad.  Instead the focus has shifted to us becoming John Terry's Aston Villa.

The first half dozen games of the new season are as important as any in our history.  I wish I was more confident.

I think you're trying to suggest that Xia is trying to inflict certain players onto the manager. I think Bruce would walk if it was the chairman buying the players and not the manager.

Yep. He walked out on Hull because he wasn't happy.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 01, 2017, 01:58:13 PM
This can't be real surely?

If true I think this will be the most embarrassing thing Villa have done since McLeish came in, which is really saying something. I've been pretty heartbroken at how low we've sunk, it's made me fall out of love with football (I barely watch any games these days) And now this, my most hated player of all time supposedly signing for us? Wake me when this nightmare is over.

More embarrassing than relegation, countless cup defeats against lower league shite or having Chelsea, Liverpool and Southampton put at least 5 past us?

I don't particularly like the man either but like all new signings we should wipe the slate clean and give him a chance.

He's not like all new signings. He's a racist.

Let some ****** like Millwall or Lazio have him.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: KRS on July 01, 2017, 03:46:42 PM
Pretty sure this was a coincidence but I saw Reginald D Hunter on Live at the Apollo talking about John Terry the other night. I can't find the clip and it's in no way justifying racism, but if he can accept it and make a joke out of it then just may be some on here are taking this hatred towards JT a little but over the top. For the record, I think JT is a complete fucktard but as someone else had said, my love for the Villa is greater than my hatred of JT.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: CT on July 01, 2017, 04:16:24 PM
Pretty sure this was a coincidence but I saw Reginald D Hunter on Live at the Apollo talking about John Terry the other night. I can't find the clip and it's in no way justifying racism, but if he can accept it and make a joke out of it then just may be some on here are taking this hatred towards JT a little but over the top. For the record, I think JT is a complete fucktard but as someone else had said, my love for the Villa is greater than my hatred of JT.

Yep, I saw that the other night too.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: eamonn on July 01, 2017, 04:24:12 PM
And did it make you change your mind on Jerry?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Villan For Life on July 01, 2017, 04:26:47 PM
And did it make you change your mind on Jerry?

I've always preferred Tom & Barbara but Margot was a handful.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: in exile on July 01, 2017, 05:46:10 PM
And did it make you change your mind on Jerry?

I've always preferred Tom & Barbara but Margot was a handful.

That Sir, was brilliant!
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Villafirst on July 01, 2017, 08:31:52 PM
Welcome John Terry.....he'll be a great signing. A leader and good organisor in defence. Him and Chester will be solid at the back. About time we had a winner in the dressing room.....
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: postal on July 01, 2017, 11:13:54 PM
Do I 'like' JT? Not really, but as long as he can create a positive aura in the team when things aren't going well, then good.

But I'd rather not see him here.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: olaftab on July 02, 2017, 12:16:28 AM
I would actually prefer any kid walking around the area wearing SHA, Sandwell or Wolves as opposed to the afore mentioned glory hunting shirts.
Yes agreed.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: olaftab on July 02, 2017, 12:21:40 AM
For the first time since Tony Xia took over I begin to have niggling doubts about him.  He seemed to want RDM because he was a high profile known name.  Now he seems to backing the use of a substantial amount of his money with the same motivation.  Our priorities should be the maximisation of the abilities of a talented squad.  Picking the right teams, playing them in their best positions, being tactically astute, getting the team fully fit, building team spirit, getting rid of dead wood from the squad.  Instead the focus has shifted to us becoming John Terry's Aston Villa.

The first half dozen games of the new season are as important as any in our history.  I wish I was more confident.

I think you're trying to suggest that Xia is trying to inflict certain players onto the manager. I think Bruce would walk if it was the chairman buying the players and not the manager.
He is not suggesting that at all. It's an observation that rather than being a resolute club builder Xia is more of a glory hunting publicity seeker.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: BC54 VFC on July 02, 2017, 12:37:53 AM
For the first time since Tony Xia took over I begin to have niggling doubts about him.  He seemed to want RDM because he was a high profile known name.  Now he seems to backing the use of a substantial amount of his money with the same motivation.  Our priorities should be the maximisation of the abilities of a talented squad.  Picking the right teams, playing them in their best positions, being tactically astute, getting the team fully fit, building team spirit, getting rid of dead wood from the squad.  Instead the focus has shifted to us becoming John Terry's Aston Villa.

The first half dozen games of the new season are as important as any in our history.  I wish I was more confident.
Spot on.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on July 02, 2017, 12:56:04 AM
For the first time since Tony Xia took over I begin to have niggling doubts about him.  He seemed to want RDM because he was a high profile known name.  Now he seems to backing the use of a substantial amount of his money with the same motivation.  Our priorities should be the maximisation of the abilities of a talented squad.  Picking the right teams, playing them in their best positions, being tactically astute, getting the team fully fit, building team spirit, getting rid of dead wood from the squad.  Instead the focus has shifted to us becoming John Terry's Aston Villa.

The first half dozen games of the new season are as important as any in our history.  I wish I was more confident.

I think you're trying to suggest that Xia is trying to inflict certain players onto the manager. I think Bruce would walk if it was the chairman buying the players and not the manager.
He is not suggesting that at all. It's an observation that rather than being a resolute club builder Xia is more of a glory hunting publicity seeker.

I dunno though. I mean he could look at it like "All I have done with Aston Villa is try and get winners". If you are looking for a pattern in Xia thats what he has done.

RDM - Champions League winning manager. get him in.
Bruce - Proven Championship winner, get him in.

Almost ALL of our signings under Xia have proven themselves at some level or another. I mean did any of us really object when he went out and got one of previous seasons top scorer's in the league? He just likes winners and is willing to pay for it.

I dont think he wants to get publicity, I think he just runs the club like many venture capital firms run companies. Just go buy proven talent and let them sort it out.

It hasnt worked so far but I think thats his methodology. I think he hates the idea of "young, cheap & hungry". He thinks thats way too risky. He wants proven winners is all.

My guess anyway.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Andy1874 on July 02, 2017, 01:35:10 AM
Anyone else noticed the drift in odds :/

I'd personally love him to sign.

He was 1/20 earlier for us, and 18s for sha. We're now 2/9 and them 3s.

Big drift ..
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Axl Rose on July 02, 2017, 03:43:23 AM
He's far more suited to Blues and Harry gobknapp. I hope they sign him.

We don't need such scoundrels at our great club.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: saunders_heroes on July 02, 2017, 08:08:18 AM
For the first time since Tony Xia took over I begin to have niggling doubts about him.  He seemed to want RDM because he was a high profile known name.  Now he seems to backing the use of a substantial amount of his money with the same motivation.  Our priorities should be the maximisation of the abilities of a talented squad.  Picking the right teams, playing them in their best positions, being tactically astute, getting the team fully fit, building team spirit, getting rid of dead wood from the squad.  Instead the focus has shifted to us becoming John Terry's Aston Villa.

The first half dozen games of the new season are as important as any in our history.  I wish I was more confident.

I think you're trying to suggest that Xia is trying to inflict certain players onto the manager. I think Bruce would walk if it was the chairman buying the players and not the manager.
He is not suggesting that at all. It's an observation that rather than being a resolute club builder Xia is more of a glory hunting publicity seeker.

I don't think I've ever heard Xia being interviewed on TV or the radio since the day he took over so how can anyone claim he's a glory hunting publicity seeker is beyond me. What are you basing this opinion on, his tweets?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Axl Rose on July 02, 2017, 08:30:37 AM
For the first time since Tony Xia took over I begin to have niggling doubts about him.  He seemed to want RDM because he was a high profile known name.  Now he seems to backing the use of a substantial amount of his money with the same motivation.  Our priorities should be the maximisation of the abilities of a talented squad.  Picking the right teams, playing them in their best positions, being tactically astute, getting the team fully fit, building team spirit, getting rid of dead wood from the squad.  Instead the focus has shifted to us becoming John Terry's Aston Villa.

The first half dozen games of the new season are as important as any in our history.  I wish I was more confident.

I think you're trying to suggest that Xia is trying to inflict certain players onto the manager. I think Bruce would walk if it was the chairman buying the players and not the manager.
He is not suggesting that at all. It's an observation that rather than being a resolute club builder Xia is more of a glory hunting publicity seeker.

I don't think I've ever heard Xia being interviewed on TV or the radio since the day he took over so how can anyone claim he's a glory hunting publicity seeker is beyond me. What are you basing this opinion on, his tweets?

I like the Dr, he's open, enthusiastic, communicates with fans, and is a breath of fresh air after the Lerner years.

I could see why people have the above-mentioned opinions of him, however. Some of his tweets do have an air of Trumpishness about them. But I see him as a bit of an eccentric. Which I like and support. After over five years of living and working in China, it's something that I know I craved to see more of there.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: mr underhill on July 02, 2017, 08:47:16 AM
isn't that because you were living in a one party conformist state?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: russon on July 02, 2017, 08:49:19 AM
I'd be pleased if we get him, fantastic player with the sort of on field presence we have been crying out for for years, vocal, committed, quality.

As for his off-field stuff well my moral compass was thrown in the bin after Gabby was permitted to treat our club the way he did then get recalled, he should never have played for us again. My expectations of modern day footballers and their ethics is so low now that I barely take their attributes as human beings into account anymore, I just watch 11 Villa shirts running around and the person that's filling each one I have no opinion on other than can he play football. Sad admission I know but it's the inevitable outcome to the steady demise of English football. Happy days!
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Axl Rose on July 02, 2017, 08:58:09 AM
isn't that because you were living in a one party conformist state?

Haha. On paper, yes.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: brian green on July 02, 2017, 09:03:32 AM
I have posted many times that I like Tony Xia, right from the very first when there were several on this forum making comparisons with the Small Heath hairdresser.  I would go further and say that in the last twelve months he has been the only real asset the club has had.

However, to return to my earlier point, I have no doubt at all that Tony Xia has been fully involved in the pursuit of John Terry.  Because the whole operation of bringing Terry in is a gamble, I have real concerns that Tony Xia is influenced by Terry's name and Terry's past achievements.  I never mentioned glory hunting but I will say that if we are to lift a trophy I would prefer it being lifted by James Chester.

My niggling doubts are that Tony Xia is perhaps showing a bit of the naivety that caused Randy Lerner to fail so spectacularly.  The assumption that if Terry scores a couple of goals all the Villa fans will love him is as naive as Lerner jumping in his plane to parachute Alex McLeish into Villa Park.  Couple of wins and the Villa fans will forget the Small Heath history.  The naivety was that Alex McLeish was a terrible manager not that he had previously managed Small Heath.

The real problem with John Terry is that he is yet another gamble with the future of the club at a time when we cannot afford to take more risks.  To think that the 37 year old is going to be some sort of panacea for all our problems is a drift back to naivety.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 02, 2017, 09:09:53 AM
Is a one year contract at the level we're talking really that much of a gamble? Especially as it is heavily based on getting us promoted.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 02, 2017, 09:24:31 AM
Why don't we just wait and see with Terry. It is a gamble, of course, but let's give the bloke a chance. I'm sure no one on here actually knows him, neither do I. If Bruce and Xia have met him and think it's the right move, let's back them. If Terry does well the Holte end will be chanting his name in no time. If he doesn't work out but the team is still doing well, Bruce and Xias culpability in picking him will be forgotten. There is a strong possibility for either of those scenarios occurring.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on July 02, 2017, 09:51:16 AM
I'm entirely in agreement with Brian Green's above post. Putting aside Terry's dubious character, his signing indicates a return to methods that have served us extremely badly and that I hoped we'd seen the back of.

Honestly, who amongst us thought that the final piece in the promotion jigsaw was an old centre-half? Almost no one, I should think. We all need to hope that this signing doesn't price us out of the ones we really need, otherwise it's an enormous gamble -
and as we've proved, we're bloody useless at gambling. The fact that we're dabbling in it again is very concerning.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Jimbo on July 02, 2017, 09:53:48 AM
If somebody asked me to think of the biggest wanker in football today I'd think of John Terry. Considering the competition out there, that makes him a colossal wanker, for all the reasons discussed above.

What Villa need, and have needed for some considerable time, is someone to make its highly paid, pampered and very comfortable footballers afraid of losing. So afraid that they won't let it happen. The kind of fear Ferguson instilled at Man United. The kind that makes players super vigilant, switched on and determined to win at all costs.

For many years successive owners, managers and captains have failed to do this. Arseholes like Richards, Gabby and Lescott have been allowed to take the piss. That carried on into last season with Fat Ross. There's still an "oh well, we lost" attitude at the club and it fucking reeks. If Terry's influence can have a "don't you fucking dare take the piss while I'm in this team" effect, then it's what we badly need.

Like Russon above, we've had so many wankers and arseholes play for, manage, own and run us over the years that I am inured to such arseholery. I don't expect to like modern day footballers. I just want Villa to act like a competitive fucking football club and be winners for once. I want to see us live up to our recently ditched motto.

We're not a fucking conference and banqueting facility, or a commercial partner for Fiat and Unibet. Our distant glories and lavish history mean absolutely fuck all if we can't put up a fight against Huddersfield and Brentford. I want to see us win football matches and haul ourselves out of this shit league. But we have no right to anything we're not prepared to sweat blood for.

It remains to be seen whether Terry can help in that regard, but that's why he's being brought in. If it works, I really won't care too much what a giant gnashing arsehole he is. They've been ten a penny at Villa.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Tugby Villain on July 02, 2017, 09:58:47 AM
If somebody asked me to think of the biggest wanker in football today I'd think of John Terry. Considering the competition out there, that makes him a colossal wanker, for all the reasons discussed above.

What Villa need, and have needed for some considerable time, is someone to make its highly paid, pampered and very comfortable footballers afraid of losing. So afraid that they won't let it happen. The kind of fear Ferguson instilled at Man United. The kind that makes players super vigilant, switched on and determined to win at all costs.

For many years successive owners, managers and captains have failed to do this. Arseholes like Richards, Gabby and Lescott have been allowed to take the piss. That carried on into last season with Fat Ross. There's still an "oh well, we lost" attitude at the club and it fucking reeks. If Terry's influence can have a "don't you fucking dare take the piss while I'm in this team" effect, then it's what we badly need.

Like Russon above, we've had so many wankers and arseholes play for, manage, own and run us over the years that I am inured to such arseholery. I don't expect to like modern day footballers. I just want Villa to act like a competitive fucking football club and be winners for once. I want to see us live up to our recently ditched motto.

We're not a fucking conference and banqueting facility, or a commercial partner for Fiat and Unibet. Our distant glories and lavish history mean absolutely fuck all if we can't put up a fight against Huddersfield and Brentford. I want to see us win football matches and haul ourselves out of this shit league. But we have no right to anything we're not prepared to sweat blood for.

It remains to be seen whether Terry can help in that regard, but that's why he's being brought in. If it works, I really won't care too much what a giant gnashing arsehole he is. They've been ten a penny at Villa.

Totally agree
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Clampy on July 02, 2017, 10:16:39 AM
I have posted many times that I like Tony Xia, right from the very first when there were several on this forum making comparisons with the Small Heath hairdresser.  I would go further and say that in the last twelve months he has been the only real asset the club has had.

However, to return to my earlier point, I have no doubt at all that Tony Xia has been fully involved in the pursuit of John Terry.  Because the whole operation of bringing Terry in is a gamble, I have real concerns that Tony Xia is influenced by Terry's name and Terry's past achievements.  I never mentioned glory hunting but I will say that if we are to lift a trophy I would prefer it being lifted by James Chester.

My niggling doubts are that Tony Xia is perhaps showing a bit of the naivety that caused Randy Lerner to fail so spectacularly.  The assumption that if Terry scores a couple of goals all the Villa fans will love him is as naive as Lerner jumping in his plane to parachute Alex McLeish into Villa Park.  Couple of wins and the Villa fans will forget the Small Heath history.  The naivety was that Alex McLeish was a terrible manager not that he had previously managed Small Heath.

The real problem with John Terry is that he is yet another gamble with the future of the club at a time when we cannot afford to take more risks.  To think that the 37 year old is going to be some sort of panacea for all our problems is a drift back to naivety.

I think both Bruce and Dr Tony are possibly in full agreement on it. If Bruce didn't want a 36 year old defender in his squad, then he'd say so. As for it being a gamble, is it really any more of a gamble than paying £12m for a player? Kodjia might not have been a success but he was. Most us of thought McCormack was a good buy but so far it's not happened.

Like Mr Griswold said, let's just see how it goes, because like with most transfers, you just don't know
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Steve67 on July 02, 2017, 10:18:23 AM
Spot on Jimbo. It's a gamble. Only time will see how reckless, or not, it is. I do think it's a bit eggs in one basket gamble for this season which might just cost Bruce his job.  This is the most important season in our modern history.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: brian green on July 02, 2017, 10:37:44 AM
My last post on Mr Terry.

As I said earlier the first six games of next season are of monumental importance.

If Terry comes and if he plays, those are the easy questions to answer.  Was he any good?  Can he improve us?  Is he past it?

By far the harder questions to ask are.  Are the player fit?  Are the players playing in the best formation?  Are the players playing to their full potential?  Is the manager being tactically astute?  Are the substitutes being used intelligently?  Is there a good team spirit?  Are the players confident?  Are we better at set pieces?  Are our young players being treated fairly?

If we are to go back to the Premiership the latter are the questions to be addressed not John Terry's value to us.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 02, 2017, 10:57:15 AM
We're making this all about Terry. Our ultimate outcome this season will be about what we do besides this signing. Who leaves and comes, what squad do we have come September 1? Is it balanced enough to outlast every other team? And maybe the signing of Terry will help tip the balance over one or two other signings who might have gone elsewhere.

£4-5m isn't a lot today. All footballers are gambles. We've signed loads of so called "certainties" over the years to find they are anything but, and for a lot more than this. So I'm willing to give him every opportunity to succeed and the person aside hope he has enough left in the tank for one more very good season.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: TopDeck113 on July 02, 2017, 11:05:37 AM
Russon and Jimbo have nailed it for me and I've reconsidered.  I won't change my opinion about Terry the man (or at least the man viewed through the prism of tabloid front and back page headlines).  However, my repeated retort down the years to the footballer-as-role-model bollocks has always been, if you want role models for your kids, don't introduce them to professional football.  So it you simply view Terry as an undoubted winner in the dog-eat-dog, narcissistic world populated by more than its fair share of sociopaths that is the top level professional game, there's a good chance that he'll do a job for us. 
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: andyh on July 02, 2017, 11:09:15 AM
Top post Jimbo.

I have spent years building up in intense hatred of Terry. To be honest, it wasn't that difficult.
Like you, the very last person I want at our club is that tosser.

BUT, I suppose we have to be pragmatic.

If he comes, and IF he brings the much desired and missing 'winning mentality', then we should swallow our pride and, as my daughter says, 'build a bridge, and get over it!'

Terry is just one more in the long list of arseholes and tossers to be associated with our club over the last few years.

The difference with him is that we really do know he is a proven winner.

I guess we'll just have to accept he is here and wish him luck in helping us get back to where we need to be.

I now going off to wash my mouth out with carbolic soap.




Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: postal on July 02, 2017, 11:27:43 AM
Terry has 'rolled' his sleeves up and got on with it for years...... for Chelsea.

The issue is, can he do it, for wherever he is next.

As others have said, we have to be pragmatic.

But, I don't think he would go somewhere, only to pick up a fat paycheck. He still wants to play, along with the fat paycheck. But he wouldn't want to be seen as a footballing joke.

Which is more than we can say for some who have joined Villa recently.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: eamonn on July 02, 2017, 12:06:33 PM
Can this be put to bed soon re whether he's signing or not? Seems to have gone on for donkeys.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: ozzjim on July 02, 2017, 01:19:24 PM
Eamon come on mate. It's Villa. Done and dusted in a few days just is not in the script.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Pete3206 on July 02, 2017, 01:28:08 PM
As long as our players remember to grease their drainpipes, it'll be fine.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: The Edge on July 02, 2017, 02:06:05 PM
I have posted many times that I like Tony Xia, right from the very first when there were several on this forum making comparisons with the Small Heath hairdresser.  I would go further and say that in the last twelve months he has been the only real asset the club has had.

However, to return to my earlier point, I have no doubt at all that Tony Xia has been fully involved in the pursuit of John Terry.  Because the whole operation of bringing Terry in is a gamble, I have real concerns that Tony Xia is influenced by Terry's name and Terry's past achievements.  I never mentioned glory hunting but I will say that if we are to lift a trophy I would prefer it being lifted by James Chester.

My niggling doubts are that Tony Xia is perhaps showing a bit of the naivety that caused Randy Lerner to fail so spectacularly.  The assumption that if Terry scores a couple of goals all the Villa fans will love him is as naive as Lerner jumping in his plane to parachute Alex McLeish into Villa Park.  Couple of wins and the Villa fans will forget the Small Heath history.  The naivety was that Alex McLeish was a terrible manager not that he had previously managed Small Heath.

The real problem with John Terry is that he is yet another gamble with the future of the club at a time when we cannot afford to take more risks.  To think that the 37 year old is going to be some sort of panacea for all our problems is a drift back to naivety.
I thought he was 36
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: The Edge on July 02, 2017, 02:08:37 PM
This can't be real surely?

If true I think this will be the most embarrassing thing Villa have done since McLeish came in, which is really saying something. I've been pretty heartbroken at how low we've sunk, it's made me fall out of love with football (I barely watch any games these days) And now this, my most hated player of all time supposedly signing for us? Wake me when this nightmare is over.

More embarrassing than relegation, countless cup defeats against lower league shite or having Chelsea, Liverpool and Southampton put at least 5 past us?

I don't particularly like the man either but like all new signings we should wipe the slate clean and give him a chance.

He's not like all new signings. He's a racist.

Let some c***s like Millwall or Lazio have him.
So signing John Terry will make us the same as Millwall or Lazio? Get a grip.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 02, 2017, 02:13:24 PM
No. Have I said that? I think we are better than them so shouldn't be signing racists.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: AV5nobs on July 02, 2017, 02:16:43 PM
Legally he's not a racist so it's subjective.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: The Edge on July 02, 2017, 02:19:16 PM
No. Have I said that? I think we are better than them so shouldn't be signing racists.
That seems to be what your implying. John Terry should only sign for a racist club like Lazio or Millwall.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 02, 2017, 02:44:33 PM
He should.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: AV5nobs on July 02, 2017, 02:52:52 PM
Can't wait for JT to sign.

Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: olaftab on July 02, 2017, 03:05:59 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes link=topic=57532.msg3283853#msg3283853 date
I don't think I've ever heard Xia being interviewed on TV or the radio since the day he took over so how can anyone claim he's a glory hunting publicity seeker is beyond me. What are you basing this opinion on, his tweets?
Yes of course his  childish tweets and the facts that he:
Appointed RDM a man with absolutely zero credibility as a team building coach on the basis that Chelsea won the CL when he was caretaker totally ignoring that he had been an abject failure in his last job.
He appointed Bruce ex manu multi trophy winning player who has never done any better than average 1.8 points per game on the second division as a coach.
And now this😟
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: The Edge on July 02, 2017, 03:06:10 PM
Has Paul Mgrath said anything about us signing JT? I'd be interested to hear his thoughts
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: mr underhill on July 02, 2017, 03:09:24 PM
your summation  excludes the four promotions he's secured from the Championship.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 02, 2017, 03:43:55 PM
Has Paul Mgrath said anything about us signing JT? I'd be interested to hear his thoughts

Why? Do we have to put our opinions on hold about signing a racist until our favourite black man speaks about it?

Also, McGrath is of a generation (and nationality) that sadly ensured that he endured far, far worse racism than that which Terry dished out. Perhaps his ability to forgive his own tormentors means that he's more inclined to acceptance of c*nts like Terry? Does that mean we have to agree? Isn't he also a Chelsea fan, which might also be a factor? Why does it matter?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 02, 2017, 03:50:45 PM
The apologists are ashamed and are looking for any excuse to assuage their guilt.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Chris Jameson on July 02, 2017, 03:56:43 PM
If we are to sign him ideally I'd like to see Villa win promotion without him spending a single minute on the pitch. That would be rather nice. Hate the thought of Captain Me in a Villa shirt.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: olaftab on July 02, 2017, 04:15:26 PM
Has Paul Mgrath said anything about us signing JT? I'd be interested to hear his thoughts

Why? Do we have to put our opinions on hold about signing a racist until our favourite black man speaks about it?

Also, McGrath is of a generation (and nationality) that sadly ensured that he endured far, far worse racism than that which Terry dished out. Perhaps his ability to forgive his own tormentors means that he's more inclined to acceptance of c*nts like Terry? Does that mean we have to agree? Isn't he also a Chelsea fan, which might also be a factor? Why does it matter?
Well said SE. It's much better and much more powerful when all people take a firm stand on racism not just black/coloured people.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 02, 2017, 04:27:42 PM
Has Paul Mgrath said anything about us signing JT? I'd be interested to hear his thoughts

Why? Do we have to put our opinions on hold about signing a racist until our favourite black man speaks about it?

Also, McGrath is of a generation (and nationality) that sadly ensured that he endured far, far worse racism than that which Terry dished out. Perhaps his ability to forgive his own tormentors means that he's more inclined to acceptance of c*nts like Terry? Does that mean we have to agree? Isn't he also a Chelsea fan, which might also be a factor? Why does it matter?
Well said SE. It's much better and much more powerful when all people take a firm stand on racism not just black/coloured people.

Thanks pal. Although it's a bit rum to automatically assume that I'm a pale, second-generation Irish pinko, just because I come across as a twat. I mean, I am, but check your privilege, bruv. Winking gent.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: KevinGage on July 02, 2017, 04:27:53 PM
The apologists are ashamed and are looking for any excuse to assuage their guilt.

I'm not even sure they are ashamed, sadly.

Calling someone a fxcking black cxnt in the workplace is just one of those things, it seems.

Man up, or go shopping with the missus. Or summat.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: olaftab on July 02, 2017, 04:34:21 PM
Thanks pal. Although it's a bit rum to automatically assume that I'm a pale, second-generation Irish pinko, just because I come across as a twat. I mean, I am, but check your privilege, bruv. Winking gent.
I had my suspicions about you ;)
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: N'ZMAV on July 02, 2017, 04:54:08 PM
I dislike John Terry as a man, I like him as a footballer.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: The Edge on July 02, 2017, 06:09:20 PM
Has Paul Mgrath said anything about us signing JT? I'd be interested to hear his thoughts

Why? Do we have to put our opinions on hold about signing a racist until our favourite black man speaks about it?

Also, McGrath is of a generation (and nationality) that sadly ensured that he endured far, far worse racism than that which Terry dished out. Perhaps his ability to forgive his own tormentors means that he's more inclined to acceptance of c*nts like Terry? Does that mean we have to agree? Isn't he also a Chelsea fan, which might also be a factor? Why does it matter?
Just wondered. Jeez
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 02, 2017, 06:16:30 PM
Why did you wonder?

Do you wonder what he thinks about the replacement for Villa Cash?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: CT on July 02, 2017, 06:19:04 PM
Personally, I hope James Chester remains as team captain. JT can show his leadership skills without needing an armband.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 02, 2017, 06:25:19 PM
Assuming this deal happens, I think that as many people as possible ought only to refer to him as John George Terry. Get as far away from the chummy 'JT' sobriquet as possible.
I am very petty though.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 02, 2017, 06:45:00 PM
If we are to sign him ideally I'd like to see Villa win promotion without him spending a single minute on the pitch. That would be rather nice. Hate the thought of Captain Me in a Villa shirt.

I imagine he'll spend most of his time in London, training alone and traveling up to Bodymoor Heath on a Friday morning before the game. Obviously not going to move up here for the season and can't see him too keen to commute on a daily basis. But fear not, he will turn up in full kit for the first team squad photo.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: chrisf on July 02, 2017, 06:55:30 PM
The apologists are ashamed and are looking for any excuse to assuage their guilt.

I'm not even sure they are ashamed, sadly.

Calling someone a fxcking black cxnt in the workplace is just one of those things, it seems.

Man up, or go shopping with the missus. Or summat.

I'm sure this is a trivial point in the scheme of things but wasn't he found not guilty by a court of law?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Woofles The Wonder Dog on July 02, 2017, 06:59:07 PM
If we are to sign him ideally I'd like to see Villa win promotion without him spending a single minute on the pitch. That would be rather nice. Hate the thought of Captain Me in a Villa shirt.

I imagine he'll spend most of his time in London, training alone and traveling up to Bodymoor Heath on a Friday morning before the game. Obviously not going to move up here for the season and can't see him too keen to commute on a daily basis. But fear not, he will turn up in full kit for the first team squad photo.

That is going to be one surreal picture. Steer clear of the brown acid everyone.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 02, 2017, 07:04:54 PM
The apologists are ashamed and are looking for any excuse to assuage their guilt.

I'm not even sure they are ashamed, sadly.

Calling someone a fxcking black cxnt in the workplace is just one of those things, it seems.

Man up, or go shopping with the missus. Or summat.

I'm sure this is a trivial point in the scheme of things but wasn't he found not guilty by a court of law?

Yes. Given the overwhelming evidence you need to get a conviction against a wealthy person that's hardly surprising.

The Football Association, working on the basis of balance of probabilities, found him guilty, banned him, and stripped him of the England captaincy.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: The Edge on July 02, 2017, 07:27:12 PM
Why did you wonder?

Do you wonder what he thinks about the replacement for Villa Cash?
You'll have to explain that one.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 02, 2017, 07:35:33 PM
I guess that stands to reason.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Clampy on July 02, 2017, 07:48:11 PM
The apologists are ashamed and are looking for any excuse to assuage their guilt.

Who are these apologists you speak of?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 02, 2017, 07:49:08 PM
Have a read through the thread. They know who they are.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: ozzjim on July 02, 2017, 07:51:04 PM
Have a read through the thread. They know who they are.

A fair summation.

It's a sad day. And while I will be delighted of we win the championship and go up this season him lifting the trophy would taint it for me. We have somewhat sold our souls to the devil on this one.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Clampy on July 02, 2017, 07:52:15 PM
Have a read through the thread. They know who they are.

People you disagree with by any chance?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 02, 2017, 08:24:10 PM
People that are apologists for racism. I thought it was fairly obvious. Clearly not.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on July 02, 2017, 08:50:03 PM
I know you guys were not talking about me but I am a bit taken aback by the strong inference that fellow Villa fans here are racist because they are willing to give him a chance here. Over the line and very unfair.

There is plenty to not like about him coming here football wise and character wise without slurring fellow fans.

Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 02, 2017, 08:51:40 PM
Not all, no. But a fair few on here.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 02, 2017, 08:54:38 PM
I know you guys were not talking about me but I am a bit taken aback by the strong inference that fellow Villa fans here are racist because they are willing to give him a chance here. Over the line and very unfair.

There is plenty to not like about him coming here football wise and character wise without slurring fellow fans.



I don't think anyone has said that anyone on here is racist. I'm a bit shocked that so many on here are comfortable with us signing a known racist.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on July 02, 2017, 09:02:01 PM
I respect the fact you take the issue seriously. I also respect the fact you dont want people whitewashing over a very important issue. But I think you have let your commitment to that noble cause cloud your judgement. Honestly, take a look again. Some fellow fans have also looked at the same evidence you have and come to a different conclusion. That doesnt mean they are racists, they just think justice has been served by an actual court and are willing to move on. Like Terry's team mates incidentally.

Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 02, 2017, 09:02:06 PM
I'm struggling to keep up, let me get it straight...

"Racist" = unacceptable slur.
"Fucking black ******" = perfectly acceptable, sign him up?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 02, 2017, 09:05:02 PM
I respect the fact you take the issue seriously. I also respect the fact you dont want people whitewashing over a very important issue. But I think you have let your commitment to that noble cause cloud your judgement. Honestly, take a look again. Some fellow fans have also looked at the same evidence you have and come to a different conclusion. That doesnt mean they are racists, they just think justice has been served by an actual court and are willing to move on. Like Terry's team mates incidentally.



As I wrote, I haven't seen anybody called a racist except John George Terry.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on July 02, 2017, 09:15:06 PM
I have always stood up against racism and always will - We all have the option to make our own stand against things we oppose -albeit  political, religious, racial etc.
Call me self righteous etc but I shall not be driving 200 miles (round trip) to watch Terry playing in a Villa shirt at B6 or elsewhere.
I might be cutting off my nose to spite my face but I believe that apathy towards such things does not help society rid us of outmoded ideals such as homophobia, racism and intolerance.
Villa will survive without me and I will survive without Villa - I just thought we had more class than employing the likes of Terry et al.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on July 02, 2017, 09:25:05 PM
I'm struggling to keep up, let me get it straight...

"Racist" = unacceptable slur.
"Fucking black c***" = perfectly acceptable, sign him up?

No. Not at all.

"Racist apologist" = unacceptable slur for fellow fans who disagree with you and do not believe he is a racist or happen to believe he has changed and justice was served.

It really is wrong and over the line, I respectfully ask you and SE think about it.

Again I am ON your bloody side :) The reason I am even saying anything is I did the same thing last week in a different context* and I regretted it afterwards.

spoiler politics
*
In the heat of the moment I called all USA Republicans racists. Many of my Republican friends didn't much like that :) Looking back I would have phrased it differently while keeping the same intent which was to hilight the racist actions of the Republican party.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 02, 2017, 09:31:25 PM
Well, the Republicans did get elected with the most explicitly racist agenda since George Wallace but, yeah, okay we can leave that.

I wasn't calling all of those who are accepting, or even keen, on the signing of Terry racist apologists.

However, there are a number of racist apologists who have exposed themselves on here. Notably the one (AVSnobs?) who suggested what Terry said was okay because we're all a bit racist and we all tell racist jokes really, or some shite like that.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 02, 2017, 09:39:00 PM
I'm struggling to keep up, let me get it straight...

"Racist" = unacceptable slur.
"Fucking black c***" = perfectly acceptable, sign him up?

No. Not at all.

"Racist apologist" = unacceptable slur for fellow fans who disagree with you and do not believe he is a racist or happen to believe he has changed and justice was served.

It really is wrong and over the line, I respectfully ask you and SE think about it.

Again I am ON your bloody side :) The reason I am even saying anything is I did the same thing last week in a different context* and I regretted it afterwards.

spoiler politics
*
In the heat of the moment I called all USA Republicans racists. Many of my Republican friends didn't much like that :) Looking back I would have phrased it differently while keeping the same intent which was to hilight the racist actions of the Republican party.


Why would anyone think that he wasn't racist? We have no evidence that he isn't and a big fat racial slur indicating that he is.

It's fine if you want us to sign him, and that obviously doesn't make you a racist or indeed a racist apologist, but to suggest that he isn't a despicable racist is ludicrous.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on July 02, 2017, 09:39:25 PM
Well, the Republicans did get elected with the most explicitly racist agenda since George Wallace but, yeah, okay we can leave that.

I wasn't calling all of those who are accepting, or even keen, on the signing of Terry racist apologists.

However, there are a number of racist apologists who have exposed themselves on here. Notably the one (AVSnobs?) who suggested what Terry said was okay because we're all a bit racist and we all tell racist jokes really, or some shite like that.

Thanks for the clarification, I am sure others also appreciate it. It came across rather different before. Yes the "well everyone does it" line really is not good when talking about racial abuse.

Thanks for taking the time to clarify.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: paul_e on July 02, 2017, 10:07:57 PM
I think there's a bit of a misunderstanding here.  There have been people who've said they're happy to overlook his baggage as they think he'll be a valuable player for us.  That's disagreeing but they weren't the target of the comment as I see it.  I think it was aimed at people doing the "well we've all done it" line of reasoning or likening it to games in the playground or arguing that he's not racist because a court said so.  Those people are being apologists, that doesn't make them racist though and I don't see any accusation of that in the last few pages.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 02, 2017, 10:12:15 PM
Yeah, that's pretty much it.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on July 02, 2017, 10:20:00 PM
Thanks gents. I appreciate it. I am happy I read it wrong. Hopefully others will also benefit from the clarification. If it was just me and I wasted a bunch of your time then apologies and thanks for taking the time to help me understand the intent.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 02, 2017, 10:23:45 PM
Paul Mariner backs John Terry for Aston Villa success.

I feel at ease now.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 02, 2017, 10:40:30 PM
Paul Mariner backs John Terry for Aston Villa success.

I feel at ease now.

Between him and Brazil I'm not sure which of them would want us to sink into non league most. Probably that bitter hot air ballon fuck Brazil if I was having a flutter.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 02, 2017, 10:44:04 PM
I confirm that the Terry to complete transfer to Aston Villa within the next 48 hours is on the yellow sky sports ticker tape thing. 
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: andyh on July 02, 2017, 10:54:03 PM
Done deal ?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/07/02/john-terry-decides-join-aston-villa-will-sign-imminently/


I think some sick just came up.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Chris Jameson on July 02, 2017, 11:06:32 PM
If he signs he will be the first player in Villa history that I truly despise before he's even had the opportunity to kick a ball for the club.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: amfy on July 02, 2017, 11:17:32 PM
I also wish to put in record that I am really pissed off by this signing. There can't have been many players I have hated more than him. I remember having a terrible row on the phone to my dad when he tried to stick up for him - the worst ever.

Having said that, if he turns out to be a genuinely strong asset to the team, and I show any signs at all of weakening and thinking that he is OK after all, please pour my drink over my head when you see me in The Bartons. Actually, no, punch me in the face, I'll deserve it.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: OCD on July 02, 2017, 11:37:59 PM
Done deal ?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/07/02/john-terry-decides-join-aston-villa-will-sign-imminently/


I think some sick just came up.

A division above us and a player, whatever you may think of him, chooses us over Albion.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 02, 2017, 11:41:43 PM
Done deal ?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/07/02/john-terry-decides-join-aston-villa-will-sign-imminently/


I think some sick just came up.

A division above us and a player, whatever you may think of him, chooses us over Albion.

Brighton, Burton or West Brom?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 02, 2017, 11:44:49 PM
Rovers.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 02, 2017, 11:45:50 PM
I also wish to put in record that I am really pissed off by this signing. There can't have been many players I have hated more than him. I remember having a terrible row on the phone to my dad when he tried to stick up for him - the worst ever.

Having said that, if he turns out to be a genuinely strong asset to the team, and I show any signs at all of weakening and thinking that he is OK after all, please pour my drink over my head when you see me in The Bartons. Actually, no, punch me in the face, I'll deserve it.

Depressing innit? See you at Shrewsbury for a good moan about it?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: OCD on July 02, 2017, 11:55:55 PM
Done deal ?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/07/02/john-terry-decides-join-aston-villa-will-sign-imminently/


I think some sick just came up.

A division above us and a player, whatever you may think of him, chooses us over Albion.

Brighton, Burton or West Brom?

Yeah, should have written West Brom really. The reference was in the article.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 03, 2017, 12:05:09 AM
Done deal ?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/07/02/john-terry-decides-join-aston-villa-will-sign-imminently/


I think some sick just came up.

A division above us and a player, whatever you may think of him, chooses us over Albion.

Brighton, Burton or West Brom?

Yeah, should have written West Brom really. The reference was in the article.

I'm more impressed he choose us over Swansea and Bournemouth. The only logical reason any half decent player joins West Brom is to put in a transfer request, something the aging Terry wouldn't have to worry about. Which begs the question, did anybody seriously think he would join the Baggies?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: peter w on July 03, 2017, 06:44:11 AM
I know you guys were not talking about me but I am a bit taken aback by the strong inference that fellow Villa fans here are racist because they are willing to give him a chance here. Over the line and very unfair.

There is plenty to not like about him coming here football wise and character wise without slurring fellow fans.



I don't think anyone has said that anyone on here is racist. I'm a bit shocked that so many on here are comfortable with us signing a known racist.

It does make many people uneasy and rightfully so. But other people are also right to question whether their dislike for his attitude can be squared with his ability as a footballer and a leader around the club. Something we need.

At Villa we've had our fair share of racists, bigots, and people who did things we would usually use as a reason to call them all the twats under the sun. But, we pick and choose based on what we want to think and feel. I personally can't stand John Terry but I'd be a hypocrite to pretend that I wouldn't be cheering him loudly if he lifted the Championship trophy or was an integral part of our set-up that got promoted.

Probably our greatest player was allegedly a wife beater and an alcoholic. The sort of person you'd hate to have associated with our club. And yet he's revered by just about everyone. Everyone picks and chooses their moral code so no need to get on a moral crusade when the plank in each of our eyes is jutting out.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: brian green on July 03, 2017, 07:47:54 AM
Agree about the motes and beams Peter but I believe there is no such thing as a detachable moral compass.  It is also my belief that any mature, responsible person's views on their own social responsibilities should be the same whichever side of the Villa Park turnstiles they happen to be.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Hillbilly on July 03, 2017, 07:54:58 AM
I know you guys were not talking about me but I am a bit taken aback by the strong inference that fellow Villa fans here are racist because they are willing to give him a chance here. Over the line and very unfair.

There is plenty to not like about him coming here football wise and character wise without slurring fellow fans.



I don't think anyone has said that anyone on here is racist. I'm a bit shocked that so many on here are comfortable with us signing a known racist.

It does make many people uneasy and rightfully so. But other people are also right to question whether their dislike for his attitude can be squared with his ability as a footballer and a leader around the club. Something we need.

At Villa we've had our fair share of racists, bigots, and people who did things we would usually use as a reason to call them all the twats under the sun. But, we pick and choose based on what we want to think and feel. I personally can't stand John Terry but I'd be a hypocrite to pretend that I wouldn't be cheering him loudly if he lifted the Championship trophy or was an integral part of our set-up that got promoted.

Probably our greatest player was allegedly a wife beater and an alcoholic. The sort of person you'd hate to have associated with our club. And yet he's revered by just about everyone. Everyone picks and chooses their moral code so no need to get on a moral crusade when the plank in each of our eyes is jutting out.
Frank Barson.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: amfy on July 03, 2017, 08:00:31 AM
I know you guys were not talking about me but I am a bit taken aback by the strong inference that fellow Villa fans here are racist because they are willing to give him a chance here. Over the line and very unfair.

There is plenty to not like about him coming here football wise and character wise without slurring fellow fans.



I don't think anyone has said that anyone on here is racist. I'm a bit shocked that so many on here are comfortable with us signing a known racist.

It does make many people uneasy and rightfully so. But other people are also right to question whether their dislike for his attitude can be squared with his ability as a footballer and a leader around the club. Something we need.

At Villa we've had our fair share of racists, bigots, and people who did things we would usually use as a reason to call them all the twats under the sun. But, we pick and choose based on what we want to think and feel. I personally can't stand John Terry but I'd be a hypocrite to pretend that I wouldn't be cheering him loudly if he lifted the Championship trophy or was an integral part of our set-up that got promoted.

Probably our greatest player was allegedly a wife beater and an alcoholic. The sort of person you'd hate to have associated with our club. And yet he's revered by just about everyone. Everyone picks and chooses their moral code so no need to get on a moral crusade when the plank in each of our eyes is jutting out.

It has certainly occurred to me during all of this how I am still strangely fond of Ron Atkinson, but maybe I am more forgiving of his generation, and I definitely think his actions as a man didn't match those horrible words..........and the 'wife beater and alcoholic' was an 'alcoholic & wife beater' - a desperately unwell man whose footballing talent could never quite get him over the traumatic early life experiences which shaped his illness - especially as someone who worked in addictions for 15 years I find that a different proposition.

Then there is the difference between being a hypocrite, and trying to be a better person than you have been in the past. For me, would be a hypocrite if I slammed John Terry as a racist & dickhead for years, and then decided that as he had signed for Villa, it was all 'just bants' and he was an OK bloke after all.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: passitsideways on July 03, 2017, 08:10:39 AM
It's more a footballing issue for me - that we're investing a fair amount of our apparently limited pool of resources on someone of his age. The other stuff is more of a rancid cherry on top.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: alftitimus on July 03, 2017, 08:12:10 AM
As the inevitable draws closer, we read the "rationalisations" and second guessing from so many on this forum  >:(

Okay. I am not a Terry sycophant, nor a Bruce or Xia worshipper.

I support this club. Our club, and as much as I mouthed off about him, I would welcome an Ellis again.

Lambert claimed he suggested to Lerner 3 times that he should sack him
Sherwood/Garde/Lambert/RDM/Fox/the "transfer-brains-trust".... they all came to us
on a win-win basis.
P45s and golden redundancy pay-outs seemed par-for-the-course under Lerner, and continued under Xia - imo.
Bruce is no different imo.His Rep as a potential England Manager, only a few years ago, seems an abonded ambition now. :-[

................

It seems that I only post negative opinions about us -- which is true -- because midway through Lerner's Regime I realised that it was our History and Significance that attracted the leeches.

Ellis knew us when we were in the pits, but he KNEW US.
Whatever Lerner promised Ellis, he tried to keep it, but his dwindling interest drove us into debt, as it did with his AMEX inheritance.
He was a simpleton for the canny manager - MON especially.

What we have now is an even less aware owner.
One filled with self esteem and ego.
Paid-off RDM...will eventually Pay-Off Steve and Wyness...(still called 'Lieness' on Toffee forums >:()

I have little FAITH, only HOPE that this current obsession with ageing players
- however good their history was
actually has some intelectual thought behind it.

With Steve, that's not possible.An affable if not attentive man..YES, I have met him a fair few times.
The worst.... October / November 'Golden Payout'..end of career as a Manager.

And ... Terry needs 3 seasons to get his badges to take over so what's the "leaks" about that carrot that induced him to come to us?

If I SAY me worst fears...it won't happen  ;D

AND.... my partner and myself have already got our 2 Seasons....but no kids his year which was their choice.

If villa is in your DNA, you can speak out, with love and sometimes - like 5/6 years of it -- you can speak out against sycophants and newbies / glory hunters !

 :)

OK ?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: andyh on July 03, 2017, 08:17:37 AM
If I recall correctly, hasn't John Gregory recently been 'outed' for re-tweeting Britain First/EDL/UKIP stuff?

I am currently going through a house move and the bloke I am buying off is a vile, 75 year old, bigoted old twat.
I know this because we viewed his property on Election Day, and got chatting when his 'views' became obvious.

Now, there is nothing more I would like than to tell him to shove his house up his racist arse, but unfortunately we want it. I can't cut off my nose to spite my face, so I choose to ignore the unpleasantness in this person and carry on for the greater good.

My point is that there are loads of these vile individuals out there.
We all deal with them on a daily basis, sometimes without knowing.

We just have to be the bigger people and gain some comfort in the fact that 'we KNOW what you are'.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: alftitimus on July 03, 2017, 08:27:47 AM
YES AndyH.

We all come across them.

I suggest, if you can stomach it, you read a really vile Blues forum called FreeForums.

99% RACIST

And, they have to gall to post a sticky about "NO Racism"

 ;D

Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: auntiesledd on July 03, 2017, 08:53:45 AM
Meh.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: passport1 on July 03, 2017, 08:59:04 AM
I am trying to summon up some vestige of concern . No past that now.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Virgil Caine on July 03, 2017, 09:03:30 AM
My penny worth. I do not like John Terry. What concerns me more is that for the forty or so years of supporting the Villa I had a belief that the traditions and history of the club defined it as an institution. At the core of that was a value system which set the club above its peers. Recent custodians of the club have chipped away at those values and the act of signing a player so far removed from those values does concern me. I will continue to support the Villa but if any success is gained whilst he is with the club it will, in my opinion, tarnish it.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: The Edge on July 03, 2017, 09:54:09 AM
If I recall correctly, hasn't John Gregory recently been 'outed' for re-tweeting Britain First/EDL/UKIP stuff?

I am currently going through a house move and the bloke I am buying off is a vile, 75 year old, bigoted old twat.
I know this because we viewed his property on Election Day, and got chatting when his 'views' became obvious.

Now, there is nothing more I would like than to tell him to shove his house up his racist arse, but unfortunately we want it. I can't cut off my nose to spite my face, so I choose to ignore the unpleasantness in this person and carry on for the greater good.

My point is that there are loads of these vile individuals out there.
We all deal with them on a daily basis, sometimes without knowing.

We just have to be the bigger people and gain some comfort in the fact that 'we KNOW what you are'.
Bout right imo.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: dave shelley on July 03, 2017, 09:55:17 AM
I'd laugh my nuts off if, after all this he failed the medical.  Probably done at this stage though.  One can but hope, not wishing any harm on him.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Edvard Remberg on July 03, 2017, 10:01:13 AM
I know you guys were not talking about me but I am a bit taken aback by the strong inference that fellow Villa fans here are racist because they are willing to give him a chance here. Over the line and very unfair.

There is plenty to not like about him coming here football wise and character wise without slurring fellow fans.



I don't think anyone has said that anyone on here is racist. I'm a bit shocked that so many on here are comfortable with us signing a known racist.

It does make many people uneasy and rightfully so. But other people are also right to question whether their dislike for his attitude can be squared with his ability as a footballer and a leader around the club. Something we need.

At Villa we've had our fair share of racists, bigots, and people who did things we would usually use as a reason to call them all the twats under the sun. But, we pick and choose based on what we want to think and feel. I personally can't stand John Terry but I'd be a hypocrite to pretend that I wouldn't be cheering him loudly if he lifted the Championship trophy or was an integral part of our set-up that got promoted.

Probably our greatest player was allegedly a wife beater and an alcoholic. The sort of person you'd hate to have associated with our club. And yet he's revered by just about everyone. Everyone picks and chooses their moral code so no need to get on a moral crusade when the plank in each of our eyes is jutting out.
This - I sometimes wonder what makes people so absolute in justice of one issue, and so loose on others - a bit like my local christian fundamentalists, that decide that 1 or 2 phrases are deadly sins, yet others we have moved on from.

I know JT said something racist, I have no clue if he is a racist generally (don't know him). I hate his appearance in general, but we need that type of players (just like I would cry if we signed Pepe, but he would make us much better). 
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: The Edge on July 03, 2017, 10:04:27 AM
I live in a very multicultural area of the city and I'm happy that I do. I work and mix with a rich blend of people from many different cultures. My own family is also pretty diverse. When we discuss football it quite lively with villa, blues, albion  and
the obligatory glory hunters. When discussing us signing Terry not one person has mentioned his character other than in a footballing sense. Take from that what you will. It's my last word on this discussion.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: TheMalandro on July 03, 2017, 10:06:15 AM
Confirmed.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Villa Lew on July 03, 2017, 10:14:08 AM
I know you guys were not talking about me but I am a bit taken aback by the strong inference that fellow Villa fans here are racist because they are willing to give him a chance here. Over the line and very unfair.

There is plenty to not like about him coming here football wise and character wise without slurring fellow fans.



I don't think anyone has said that anyone on here is racist. I'm a bit shocked that so many on here are comfortable with us signing a known racist.

It does make many people uneasy and rightfully so. But other people are also right to question whether their dislike for his attitude can be squared with his ability as a footballer and a leader around the club. Something we need.

At Villa we've had our fair share of racists, bigots, and people who did things we would usually use as a reason to call them all the twats under the sun. But, we pick and choose based on what we want to think and feel. I personally can't stand John Terry but I'd be a hypocrite to pretend that I wouldn't be cheering him loudly if he lifted the Championship trophy or was an integral part of our set-up that got promoted.

Probably our greatest player was allegedly a wife beater and an alcoholic. The sort of person you'd hate to have associated with our club. And yet he's revered by just about everyone. Everyone picks and chooses their moral code so no need to get on a moral crusade when the plank in each of our eyes is jutting out.
Frank Barson.
George Best

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/day-george-best-played-aston-8194316
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on July 03, 2017, 10:41:53 AM
Welcome JT.  Lead from the front, inspire your teammates and show the team what is is to win. 
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on July 03, 2017, 10:46:14 AM
Hopefully this will work out well. Last season was capable of picking up a PL winners medal, he should be comfortably the best centre back in the Championship and will be partnered with the next best (Chester). I hope this means Bruce will feel more comfortable letting the likes of Hourihane and Lansbury play further up the pitch now.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: frank black on July 03, 2017, 10:51:02 AM
Welcome JT, may I suggest you don't scroll back to check out earlier comments.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: AV5nobs on July 03, 2017, 10:53:42 AM
Welcome Mr Terry.

Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chris Jameson on July 03, 2017, 10:55:54 AM
This is like learning Bono has joined The Righteous Mind. Gutted.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: robbo1874 on July 03, 2017, 10:56:37 AM
Not impressed with this
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 03, 2017, 10:59:38 AM
A stain on our history.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: jwarry on July 03, 2017, 11:01:36 AM
A few reports that he's been promised a coaching role after the 12 month contract.  Not sure what to make of that!
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Axl Rose on July 03, 2017, 11:02:21 AM
Fuck off Terry.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Villafirst on July 03, 2017, 11:02:30 AM
Welcome John Terry! Lead us back to the Premier League!!
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: AV5nobs on July 03, 2017, 11:03:16 AM
We got over a woman beater who is allegedly a Villa fan, nothing to see here.

Welcome John.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: badluckeric(gates) on July 03, 2017, 11:03:40 AM
Welcome John. lead this famous club back to where we should be!
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: AV5nobs on July 03, 2017, 11:04:07 AM
Welcome John Terry! Lead us back to the Premier League!!

This.

Sense.

Welcome JT.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: AV5nobs on July 03, 2017, 11:04:50 AM
Welcome John. lead this famous club back to where we should be!

Well said sir.

Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: BC54 VFC on July 03, 2017, 11:05:27 AM
Chelsea scum, get outa Brum.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Deano's Mullet on July 03, 2017, 11:05:35 AM
Brrrr. I feel dirty.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: jwarry on July 03, 2017, 11:05:39 AM
Haven't had a goalscoring centre half since the Great Dane. Welcome JT, just give us a bit of leadership and a nasty streak and we will be celebrating come May 2018
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 03, 2017, 11:08:32 AM
Good luck John. Let your football do all the talking. He's Chelsea through and through and I don't expect him to change at all. But if he brings a little edge to our club and leadership then it will make a difference. Many fand won't be happy but I'm betting the players will be.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 03, 2017, 11:09:57 AM
We got over a woman beater who is allegedly a Villa fan, nothing to see here.

Welcome John.

I couldn't care less who our signings support, but am more willing to forgive those that do something very wrong as a result of mental illness.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: AV5nobs on July 03, 2017, 11:10:01 AM
Haven't had a goalscoring centre half since the Great Dane. Welcome JT, just give us a bit of leadership and a nasty streak and we will be celebrating come May 2018

This.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: AV5nobs on July 03, 2017, 11:11:36 AM
John Terry 1 BullysKids 0.

Welcome big man.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 03, 2017, 11:12:56 AM
John Terry 1 BullysKids 0.

Sorry, what?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: TheMalandro on July 03, 2017, 11:13:33 AM
John Terry 1 BullysKids 0.

Welcome big man.

Ok
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: mr underhill on July 03, 2017, 11:14:06 AM
he's here now so may as well get behind him, let's hope his winning mentality rubs off on the rest of the squad.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Nev on July 03, 2017, 11:21:46 AM
Please bring this up to prove me wrong in May. Please.

It will all end in tears, recriminations and another 100 plus page thread.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 03, 2017, 11:21:47 AM
John Terry 1 BullysKids 0.

Welcome big man.

you're acting a bit of a twat. Just respect the fact that some, many even aren't thrilled about this.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: papa lazarou on July 03, 2017, 11:22:08 AM
John Terry 1 BullysKids 0.

Sorry, what?

It would be nice to know what it means because it might not be the most juvenile of posts that it appears to be - on the other hand...
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 03, 2017, 11:22:23 AM
Captain. Leader. Racist.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: OzVilla on July 03, 2017, 11:22:37 AM
As a person, a complete bellend. As a footballer, what we've been crying out for over the last 6 or so years.

Reluctantly, the footballing need must take priority at a football club.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: AV5nobs on July 03, 2017, 11:25:11 AM
Not proven racist, so subjective.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Axl Rose on July 03, 2017, 11:26:35 AM
John Terry 1 BullysKids 0.

Welcome big man.

you're acting a bit of a twat. Just respect the fact that some, many even aren't thrilled about this.

Well said.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: saunders_heroes on July 03, 2017, 11:26:52 AM
John Terry 1 BullysKids 0.

Welcome big man.

you're acting a bit of a twat. Just respect the fact that some, many even aren't thrilled about this.

What's with the abuse?
Also your argument could be used the other way around. I don't see much respect on here aimed at fans who would welcome Terry to Villa. Racist apologists I think they've been called.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Axl Rose on July 03, 2017, 11:28:36 AM
John Terry 1 BullysKids 0.

Welcome big man.

you're acting a bit of a twat. Just respect the fact that some, many even aren't thrilled about this.

What's with the abuse?
Also your argument could be used the other way around. I don't see much respect on here aimed at fans who would welcome Terry to Villa. Racist apologists I think they've been called.

I think it's aimed at such cryptic, childish comments like the 'bullyskids 0'.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: E I Adio on July 03, 2017, 11:28:52 AM
Maybe it's my age, but I really can't get outraged by this. Yes, he was outed for saying something particularly vile, which is baggage that he will forever be carrying and rightly so, but I suspect that the intelligence levels of the majority of players in this fantasy millionaire world that they inhabit are hardly Mensa standard to start with and one thing that I have learned over the years is that to be racist usually requires a person to be a bit thick. So, I might not like the person, but I do appreciate his football ability and boy, do we need some of that if we're to get out of this League.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: saunders_heroes on July 03, 2017, 11:30:12 AM
John Terry 1 BullysKids 0.

Welcome big man.

you're acting a bit of a twat. Just respect the fact that some, many even aren't thrilled about this.

What's with the abuse?
Also your argument could be used the other way around. I don't see much respect on here aimed at fans who would welcome Terry to Villa. Racist apologists I think they've been called.

I think it's aimed at such cryptic, childish comments like the 'bullyskids 0'.

There's been silly comments all around but they don't warrant personal abuse.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 03, 2017, 11:32:19 AM
John Terry 1 BullysKids 0.

Welcome big man.

you're acting a bit of a twat. Just respect the fact that some, many even aren't thrilled about this.

What's with the abuse?
Also your argument could be used the other way around. I don't see much respect on here aimed at fans who would welcome Terry to Villa. Racist apologists I think they've been called.

He's clearly rubbing it in. I've said nowhere that he couldn't welcome Terry to club. I just did myself. But there's a difference between that and where he's going with it. And yes, by comparison racist apologists on the other side is overstepping the mark too in my opinion.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Axl Rose on July 03, 2017, 11:34:36 AM
John Terry 1 BullysKids 0.

Welcome big man.

you're acting a bit of a twat. Just respect the fact that some, many even aren't thrilled about this.

What's with the abuse?
Also your argument could be used the other way around. I don't see much respect on here aimed at fans who would welcome Terry to Villa. Racist apologists I think they've been called.

I think it's aimed at such cryptic, childish comments like the 'bullyskids 0'.

There's been silly comments all around but they don't warrant personal abuse.

I think calling someone a 'black ******' is more in the realms of personal abuse, but anyway, let's not start that again.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: TheMalandro on July 03, 2017, 11:35:35 AM
John Terry 1 BullysKids 0.

Welcome big man.

you're acting a bit of a twat. Just respect the fact that some, many even aren't thrilled about this.

What's with the abuse?
Also your argument could be used the other way around. I don't see much respect on here aimed at fans who would welcome Terry to Villa. Racist apologists I think they've been called.

He's clearly rubbing it in. I've said nowhere that he couldn't welcome Terry to club. I just did myself. But there's a difference between that and where he's going with it. And yes, by comparison racist apologists on the other side is overstepping the mark too in my opinion.

I sit firmly in Toronto's boat.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: VillaAlways on July 03, 2017, 11:37:41 AM
McGraths thoughts

John Terry is the closest thing to Shawn teale iv seen , John welcome to our brilliant Club . And Tk you ! We deserve you .
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Axl Rose on July 03, 2017, 11:37:54 AM
John Terry 1 BullysKids 0.

Welcome big man.

you're acting a bit of a twat. Just respect the fact that some, many even aren't thrilled about this.

What's with the abuse?
Also your argument could be used the other way around. I don't see much respect on here aimed at fans who would welcome Terry to Villa. Racist apologists I think they've been called.

He's clearly rubbing it in. I've said nowhere that he couldn't welcome Terry to club. I just did myself. But there's a difference between that and where he's going with it. And yes, by comparison racist apologists on the other side is overstepping the mark too in my opinion.

I sit firmly in Toronto's boat.

Make room for me, too.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 03, 2017, 11:38:12 AM
I am not as outraged as I would have been 5 years ago but Villa have become a pathetic team in recent seasons and an embarrassment in a lot of games they have played  . JT is one footballer I have hated most of his football career ( maybe I should not say hated , its a harsh word ) but I just want Villa back in the Prem and  he is a good footballer even at his age , you dont always need pace when you have a brain  and he is a leader , top winning managers have always put his name on their team sheet first and will make a big difference in the team .

Just do it this season JT FFS

Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: boozey182 on July 03, 2017, 11:39:33 AM
When I said a couple of weeks ago that I'd stop going if we signed him, I really, really meant it. I'd worked out what I was going to do with my season ticket and everything. To be fair to Ads, he called me out on it straight away, and now I'm faced the reality if it, I don't think I can go through with a boycott - and I realise that this makes me an incredibly weak individual. Damon's article that was posted last week just highlighted that I go for so many other reasons than just to watch the latest collection of disappointing players. I sit next to my brother and my Dad, and I want my son to join us in a few years. John Terry isn't going to take that moment away from me.

It has made a lot less enthusiastic about the upcoming season, though. Normally, at this point of the summer, I'm desperate for transfer rumours and checking the fixtures to know when I'll get my next fix. Not this time though. Something special that I thought was there, turns out to have either gone or never existed in the first place.

I won't cheer him. I'll boo his name when it gets read out. And I'll no longer be going to matches in my 'Doctor X' t-shirt, I'm ordering a 'Kick It Out' one tonight.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: paul_e on July 03, 2017, 11:39:59 AM
Not proven racist, so subjective.


Of course he is, he admitted to saying it was banned for 4 games, what he isn't is a convicted racist because the requirements to be legally convicted are harder to meet, especially when someone has a defence team like his.

Can this be put to bed now because this is why you've been called a racist apologist.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: ian c. on July 03, 2017, 11:43:05 AM
Arse!
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: AV5nobs on July 03, 2017, 11:43:23 AM
Please provide quote from John Terry admitting he is racist?

Can we scratch me from the record as an apologist of this quote is not
Forthcoming?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 03, 2017, 11:45:17 AM
If the cap, sorry hood, fits.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: OzVilla on July 03, 2017, 11:47:08 AM
When I said a couple of weeks ago that I'd stop going if we signed him, I really, really meant it. I'd worked out what I was going to do with my season ticket and everything. To be fair to Ads, he called me out on it straight away, and now I'm faced the reality if it, I don't think I can go through with a boycott - and I realise that this makes me an incredibly weak individual. Damon's article that was posted last week just highlighted that I go for so many other reasons than just to watch the latest collection of disappointing players. I sit next to my brother and my Dad, and I want my son to join us in a few years. John Terry isn't going to take that moment away from me.

It has made a lot less enthusiastic about the upcoming season, though. Normally, at this point of the summer, I'm desperate for transfer rumours and checking the fixtures to know when I'll get my next fix. Not this time though. Something special that I thought was there, turns out to have either gone or never existed in the first place.

I won't cheer him. I'll boo his name when it gets read out. And I'll no longer be going to matches in my 'Doctor X' t-shirt, I'm ordering a 'Kick It Out' one tonight.

First world problems and all but this post is sad on so many levels.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Brend'Watkins on July 03, 2017, 11:47:46 AM
If he puts in the same effort and organisation as he did for Chelsea I'll be more than happy. It's something we desperately need on the pitch. 

All the other stuff that he has notoriety for, I'll park that for the season.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: AV5nobs on July 03, 2017, 11:56:02 AM
Don't worry John, BulliesKids doesn't attend many games so that's one less person not standing when you win.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: oldtimernow on July 03, 2017, 11:56:31 AM
Just another different bad smell to add to the air of putrefaction that's been around Villa Park for quite a while.

It may smell very different in 12 months time.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: AV5nobs on July 03, 2017, 11:58:15 AM
The trinity road has had an internal audit lately so is fine.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chris Jameson on July 03, 2017, 11:59:49 AM
Congratulations John Terry, without kicking a ball he's instantly overtaken St*ve* H*d*e as my most hated Villa player.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: eamonn on July 03, 2017, 12:01:22 PM
What do the neutrals think? Hot off the beeb:


Quote
Posted by Funky Chunky Monkey on
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Villa players, watch your wifes!

Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Brend'Watkins on July 03, 2017, 12:04:00 PM
What do the neutrals think? Hot off the beeb:


Quote
Posted by Funky Chunky Monkey on
Just now

Villa players, watch your wifes!

Funky Chunky Monky...watch your spelling!
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: saunders_heroes on July 03, 2017, 12:06:00 PM
What do the neutrals think? Hot off the beeb:


Quote
Posted by Funky Chunky Monkey on
Just now

Villa players, watch your wifes!

Funky Chunky Monky...watch your spelling!

"Wifes" Christ almighty!
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: paul_e on July 03, 2017, 12:09:28 PM
Please provide quote from John Terry admitting he is racist?

Can we scratch me from the record as an apologist of this quote is not
Forthcoming?

Read the court report, it's really that simple.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: olaftab on July 03, 2017, 12:16:31 PM
Please provide quote from John Terry admitting he is racist?

Can we scratch me from the record as an apologist of this quote is not
Forthcoming?
Honestly mate you need to pipe it down now. That is if you are a true Villa fan.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: ColinMac on July 03, 2017, 12:18:11 PM
Define a "true Villa fan"
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: olaftab on July 03, 2017, 12:18:41 PM
Well he is here now and so when I turn up at VP on 5 August and he  is on the pitch I will support him as I would any one on the day in a Villa shirt but there will be no pride in it no matter what he does.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: paul_e on July 03, 2017, 12:18:51 PM
In fact, because it's simpler:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/13_07_12_r_v_john_terry.pdf - court report

Page 2, paragraph 3:

Quote
The defendant does not deny that he used the words, “fuck off, fuck off”,
“fucking black ******” or “fucking knobhead”. His case is that his words were
not uttered by way of abuse or insult nor were they intended to be abusive or
insulting.

Will you now give it a rest, he admitted to saying the words but argued over intent.  from a moral standpoint calling someone a "fucking black C**t" is clearly racist but from a legal standpoint it's difficult to prove.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 03, 2017, 12:18:58 PM
Don't worry John, BulliesKids doesn't attend many games so that's one less person not standing when you win.

You on about me, you daft racist apologist?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: olaftab on July 03, 2017, 12:20:32 PM
Define a "true Villa fan"
Well Ok that's a tall order but a Villa fan will not go on inappropriately  rubbing up fellow Villains.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: saunders_heroes on July 03, 2017, 12:23:36 PM
Define a "true Villa fan"
Well Ok that's a tall order but a Villa fan will not go on inappropriately  rubbing up fellow Villains.

That could be said about lots of people on here not just AVsnobs.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Meanwood Villa on July 03, 2017, 12:26:21 PM
I hope he plays well when selected and is part of a promotion winning squad. I won't be singing his name though.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: AV5nobs on July 03, 2017, 12:28:40 PM
I refuse to apologise, how do you like those apples.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chris Jameson on July 03, 2017, 12:29:13 PM
Don't worry John, BulliesKids doesn't attend many games so that's one less person not standing when you win.


You're not becoming tiresome at all.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: CJ on July 03, 2017, 12:29:49 PM
Not happy, and not just because I think Terry is a loathsome individual. I'm getting more concerned about Bruce - we signed some of the best players in the Championship last season and he couldn't get them playing the way they had at their former clubs. Signing the likes of Terry, and if rumours are to be believed, the likes of Whelan and Walters, smacks of signing players at the end of their careers and by virtue of their experience players he won't need to coach, and due to their age players which will be of no use to us if we do get promoted. 
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 03, 2017, 12:31:08 PM
I couldn't give a shite about an apology for Junior KKK. I was wondering if you had something to back up your ludicrous claim that I bully kids.

Clearly not, you daft racist apologist.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: themossman on July 03, 2017, 12:31:26 PM
I refuse to apologise, how do you like those apples.

Do you know what apologist means?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 03, 2017, 12:31:46 PM
I couldn't give a shite. I was wondering if you had something to back up your ludicrous claim that I bully kids.

Clearly not, you daft racist apologist.

Pack it in.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 03, 2017, 12:32:52 PM
If someone makes an accusation, they should be able to back it up. I could pick loads of comments that would back up my opinion of this Snobs fellow.

I'd like to know how I "Bully kids".
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Axl Rose on July 03, 2017, 12:34:30 PM
I refuse to apologise, how do you like those apples.

Oh dear.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 03, 2017, 12:35:22 PM
If someone makes an accusation, they should be able to back it up. I could pick loads of comments that would back up my opinion of this Snobs fellow.

I'd like to know how I "Bully kids".

I would guess it's a take on your name. Now pack it in.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: darren woolley on July 03, 2017, 12:36:09 PM
Welcome to John Terry at our great club lets hope he does the business and get's us promoted.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 03, 2017, 12:36:12 PM
It doesn't make any sense, he could at least insult me properly. I see he hasn't been reprimanded?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 03, 2017, 12:39:05 PM
It doesn't make any sense, he could at least insult me properly. I see he hasn't been reprimanded?

He can pack it in as well.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: ColinMac on July 03, 2017, 12:39:49 PM
Define a "true Villa fan"
Well Ok that's a tall order but a Villa fan will not go on inappropriately  rubbing up fellow Villains.

If its a tall order to define, then why throw it into the mix, basically he has a diffrent opinion to you.. so what?

For the record, i dont like John Terry, think hes a pretty shitty human being, unfortunately hes now signed for the club i support.  I dont like it, but its hardly the end of the world.

Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: saunders_heroes on July 03, 2017, 12:44:06 PM
Welcome to John Terry at our great club lets hope he does the business and get's us promoted.

Well said, Darren.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on July 03, 2017, 12:48:31 PM
Any news on what he'll be earning? 
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 03, 2017, 12:49:21 PM
Sixty grand and seventeen wives a week.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Zouch Villa on July 03, 2017, 12:49:46 PM
Not happy, and not just because I think Terry is a loathsome individual. I'm getting more concerned about Bruce - we signed some of the best players in the Championship last season and he couldn't get them playing the way they had at their former clubs. Signing the likes of Terry, and if rumours are to be believed, the likes of Whelan and Walters, smacks of signing players at the end of their careers and by virtue of their experience players he won't need to coach, and due to their age players which will be of no use to us if we do get promoted. 

I share the reservations of Terry, but have a little more sympathy for the apparent route Bruce is taking.

Whilst I'd love someone come along and build a team that plays attractive and winning football, to develop younger players with a view to life in the Premier league, I expect Bruce has been told his sole priority is to get us promoted.  If this means bringing in older established players, who can on paper win games to secure promotion, and then having to rebuild the team once this objective has been achieved then so be it.

However, Bruce will have no-one else to point to if his team aren't delivering come Christmas.

Welcome to Villa JT.  Keep your offending prejudices to yourself, and let your performances do all the talking, you'll do for me.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 03, 2017, 12:52:13 PM
Welcome John Terry. Show your leadership qualities and organise that defence and it should give us a solid platform to build from.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Axl Rose on July 03, 2017, 12:53:04 PM
Define a "true Villa fan"
Well Ok that's a tall order but a Villa fan will not go on inappropriately  rubbing up fellow Villains.

If its a tall order to define, then why throw it into the mix, basically he has a diffrent opinion to you.. so what?

For the record, i dont like John Terry, think hes a pretty shitty human being, unfortunately hes now signed for the club i support.  I dont like it, but its hardly the end of the world.



I for one think he defined it quite articulately-what Villa fan would set out to deliberately irritate fellow fans? It's bizarre. And in av5nobs' case, it's non stop.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Joe S on July 03, 2017, 12:53:34 PM
Will there need to be a one minute applause at the 26 minute mark??
It's official - can be seen stretching a shirt on the official site.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Joe S on July 03, 2017, 12:58:19 PM
Stttttrrrreeeetch!!


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Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Hopadop on July 03, 2017, 12:59:27 PM
In fact, because it's simpler:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/13_07_12_r_v_john_terry.pdf - court report

Page 2, paragraph 3:

Quote
The defendant does not deny that he used the words, “fuck off, fuck off”,
“fucking black c***” or “fucking knobhead”. His case is that his words were
not uttered by way of abuse or insult nor were they intended to be abusive or
insulting.

Will you now give it a rest, he admitted to saying the words but argued over intent.  from a moral standpoint calling someone a "fucking black C**t" is clearly racist but from a legal standpoint it's difficult to prove.

It's worth reading the whole thing for context, but it wasn't just that he said the words in question but didn't mean them as an insult. He said them (he said) because he was repeating them back to Anton Ferdinand denying he'd said them - ie "I didn't call you a black c***".

Given the expert evidence, he had little choice but to accept saying it, and provided a defence that fitted the clear fact that he did so (true or not).

The judge was clearly very suspicious, but it seemed Ferdinand wasn't a very impressive witness and it boiled down to: In those circumstances, there being a doubt, the only verdict the court can record is one of not guilty.

In other words, he wasn't convicted because the judge wasn't sure to the criminal standard. Personally I think he got away with it.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: KevinGage on July 03, 2017, 01:00:28 PM
Please bring this up to prove me wrong in May. Please.

It will all end in tears, recriminations and another 100 plus page thread.

On the plus side: I'd say Terry and Bruce will be long gone in 12 months.

Welcome, FKW.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: AV5nobs on July 03, 2017, 01:02:38 PM
Lead us back to the Premiership John.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Hopadop on July 03, 2017, 01:02:55 PM
Stttttrrrreeeetch!!


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<Tunnel vision>Those colours are totally wrong
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Clampy on July 03, 2017, 01:04:03 PM
I can't remember the last time a transfer triggered such a response as this. Not a move I would have made but let's hope it turns out to be a masterstroke.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Jon Crofts on July 03, 2017, 01:04:57 PM
Any news on what he'll be earning? 

Considerably more than yow.

(And me)
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: paul_e on July 03, 2017, 01:05:00 PM
Absolutely, I just focused on the very specific bit where he admitted to saying everything he was accused of which was what I was asked to do.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Holte L2 on July 03, 2017, 01:05:22 PM
Welcome Terry. looking forward to seeing him organise that defence.  Impressive signing!
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Axl Rose on July 03, 2017, 01:06:02 PM
Please bring this up to prove me wrong in May. Please.

It will all end in tears, recriminations and another 100 plus page thread.

On the plus side: I'd say Terry and Bruce will be long gone in 12 months.

Welcome, FKW.

That image has cheered me up somewhat.

The full kit wanker. Haha
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: ROBBO on July 03, 2017, 01:06:19 PM
Having Terry join may make it easier to attract other players.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: KevinGage on July 03, 2017, 01:07:15 PM
In fact, because it's simpler:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/13_07_12_r_v_john_terry.pdf - court report

Page 2, paragraph 3:

Quote
The defendant does not deny that he used the words, “fuck off, fuck off”,
“fucking black c***” or “fucking knobhead”. His case is that his words were
not uttered by way of abuse or insult nor were they intended to be abusive or
insulting.

Will you now give it a rest, he admitted to saying the words but argued over intent.  from a moral standpoint calling someone a "fucking black C**t" is clearly racist but from a legal standpoint it's difficult to prove.

It's worth reading the whole thing for context, but it wasn't just that he said the words in question but didn't mean them as an insult. He said them (he said) because he was repeating them back to Anton Ferdinand denying he'd said them - ie "I didn't call you a black c***".

Given the expert evidence, he had little choice but to accept saying it, and provided a defence that fitted the clear fact that he did so (true or not).

The judge was clearly very suspicious, but it seemed Ferdinand wasn't a very impressive witness and it boiled down to: In those circumstances, there being a doubt, the only verdict the court can record is one of not guilty.

In other words, he wasn't convicted because the judge wasn't sure to the criminal standard. Personally I think he got away with it.

It was always a bit weak, wasn't it.

He was just clarifying what was said -really aggressively.  And on at least two occasions.

So in the heat of an argument- after Ferdinand had already insulted him- he was more concerned with Anton Ferdinand not getting the wrong impression?

Rather than saying something like: "I didn't call you a black so and so you thick cxnt, and if you carry on like that, I'll fill you in."

Sorry, it just doesn't scan.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Brend'Watkins on July 03, 2017, 01:07:31 PM
Well, the signing has made the 1 pm news headlines. Can't remember the last time we had a signing that did this. Let's see what they have to say...
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on July 03, 2017, 01:07:50 PM
I just hope he can handle the transition from a small club to a massive one.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on July 03, 2017, 01:08:32 PM
I just hope he can handle the transition from a small club to a massive one.

<applause>
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: aj2k77 on July 03, 2017, 01:09:16 PM
Please bring this up to prove me wrong in May. Please.

It will all end in tears, recriminations and another 100 plus page thread.

On the plus side: I'd say Terry and Bruce will be long gone in 12 months.

Welcome, FKW.

How's that a plus side? It will mean we've fucked up again and have an extended stay in the lower leagues in store.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Tuscans on July 03, 2017, 01:10:12 PM
Don't know the guy so I'm not going there. Playing wise in the 3-4 games I watched him last season I thought he was crap but I hope the crapness of this league evens things out and come May it all works out for Villa.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Tuscans on July 03, 2017, 01:11:00 PM
Press conference 1:30pm
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: paul_e on July 03, 2017, 01:13:26 PM
The bit I find odd is the comments I've seen here and multiple other places about him coming in and organising the defence.  The defence was, generally, solid most of last season.  We had plenty of clean sheets in the new year so I don't know what people expect.  All of our problems are down to organisation in midfield and training and I just don't see how Terry addresses those issues.  He might add a few goals from corners, which will just further my belief that Bruce would be happy winning 1-0 and only committing people forward to set pieces.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Goldie.7 on July 03, 2017, 01:13:40 PM
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Clampy on July 03, 2017, 01:14:02 PM
Press conference 1:30pm

I can't remember the last time we had a press conference for a player either. It's normally just photo shoots at BH.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Clampy on July 03, 2017, 01:17:13 PM
The bit I find odd is the comments I've seen here and multiple other places about him coming in and organising the defence.  The defence was, generally, solid most of last season.  We had plenty of clean sheets in the new year so I don't know what people expect.  All of our problems are down to organisation in midfield and training and I just don't see how Terry addresses those issues.  He might add a few goals from corners, which will just further my belief that Bruce would be happy winning 1-0 and only committing people forward to set pieces.

The 19 goals Kodjia scored and the 9 or 10 Adomah set up last season doesn't really bear your 'only committing people forward to set pieces' theory very well really.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: taylorsworkrate on July 03, 2017, 01:17:30 PM
Having Terry join may make it easier to attract other players.

Players who don't really care about their wives?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Holte L2 on July 03, 2017, 01:17:43 PM
Well, the signing has made the 1 pm news headlines. Can't remember the last time we had a signing that did this. Let's see what they have to say...

David Ginola.  16 year old me went on Midlands Today and said I was looking forward to Ginola linking up with Dublin, Merson and...Nilis!
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 03, 2017, 01:18:32 PM
I just hope he can handle the transition from a small club to a massive one.

That's my only concern Chico. Proper history, proper fans, massive stadium, expectation and all that.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 03, 2017, 01:19:48 PM
The bit I find odd is the comments I've seen here and multiple other places about him coming in and organising the defence.  The defence was, generally, solid most of last season.  We had plenty of clean sheets in the new year so I don't know what people expect.  All of our problems are down to organisation in midfield and training and I just don't see how Terry addresses those issues.  He might add a few goals from corners, which will just further my belief that Bruce would be happy winning 1-0 and only committing people forward to set pieces.


Thou I agree the defence was one of the best statistically in the league , there was times when we went ahead and we then turned into headless chickens , we were not good under pressure and how many late goals did we concede.   
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: itbrvilla on July 03, 2017, 01:21:12 PM
Why does he keep saying 'myself'?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 03, 2017, 01:21:48 PM
The bit I find odd is the comments I've seen here and multiple other places about him coming in and organising the defence.  The defence was, generally, solid most of last season.  We had plenty of clean sheets in the new year so I don't know what people expect.  All of our problems are down to organisation in midfield and training and I just don't see how Terry addresses those issues.  He might add a few goals from corners, which will just further my belief that Bruce would be happy winning 1-0 and only committing people forward to set pieces.


Thou I agree the defence was one of the best statistically in the league , there was times when we went ahead and we then turned into headless chickens , we were not good under pressure and how many late goals did we concede.   

I hope he can do what Lescott was supposed to - last ten minutes, under pressure, come on and calm things down.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Clampy on July 03, 2017, 01:22:55 PM
The bit I find odd is the comments I've seen here and multiple other places about him coming in and organising the defence.  The defence was, generally, solid most of last season.  We had plenty of clean sheets in the new year so I don't know what people expect.  All of our problems are down to organisation in midfield and training and I just don't see how Terry addresses those issues.  He might add a few goals from corners, which will just further my belief that Bruce would be happy winning 1-0 and only committing people forward to set pieces.


Thou I agree the defence was one of the best statistically in the league , there was times when we went ahead and we then turned into headless chickens , we were not good under pressure and how many late goals did we concede.   

We struggled to kill games off didn't we. That was through not taking our chances more than anything else I think though.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Jon Crofts on July 03, 2017, 01:24:12 PM
How long before someone makes a picture of JT holding aloft the European Cup in Rotterdam in a Villa shirt?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: LeeB on July 03, 2017, 01:24:49 PM
Well I for one welcome our new racist, full kit wanker overlord.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Brend'Watkins on July 03, 2017, 01:25:55 PM
Well, the signing has made the 1 pm news headlines. Can't remember the last time we had a signing that did this. Let's see what they have to say...

David Ginola.  16 year old me went on Midlands Today and said I was looking forward to Ginola linking up with Dublin, Merson and...Nilis!

This is the main news ...national and international, not something which doesn't accommodate HD viewing.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: paul_e on July 03, 2017, 01:26:03 PM
The bit I find odd is the comments I've seen here and multiple other places about him coming in and organising the defence.  The defence was, generally, solid most of last season.  We had plenty of clean sheets in the new year so I don't know what people expect.  All of our problems are down to organisation in midfield and training and I just don't see how Terry addresses those issues.  He might add a few goals from corners, which will just further my belief that Bruce would be happy winning 1-0 and only committing people forward to set pieces.

The 19 goals Kodjia scored and the 9 or 10 Adomah set up last season doesn't really bear your 'only committing people forward to set pieces' theory very well really.

I think you should read it again, "I think Bruce would be happy" doesn't mean I think that we did that. Yes we scored some goals from open play, that's the advantage of having one of the best strikers in the league who is capable of making goals from nothing and a winger who, despite the criticism he gets on here, get 1-2 decent crosses over pretty much every game which means you always have a chance.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 03, 2017, 01:26:13 PM
On the plus side the kit he's wearing looks a proper claret. Silver linings and all...
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on July 03, 2017, 01:26:22 PM
The bit I find odd is the comments I've seen here and multiple other places about him coming in and organising the defence.  The defence was, generally, solid most of last season.  We had plenty of clean sheets in the new year so I don't know what people expect.  All of our problems are down to organisation in midfield and training and I just don't see how Terry addresses those issues.  He might add a few goals from corners, which will just further my belief that Bruce would be happy winning 1-0 and only committing people forward to set pieces.


Thou I agree the defence was one of the best statistically in the league , there was times when we went ahead and we then turned into headless chickens , we were not good under pressure and how many late goals did we concede.   

Though we had a good defensive record under Bruce last season, a lot of that was as much to do with having 10 men behind the ball and not committing men forwards as it was to the defenders suddenly becoming good at defending. If we want Bruce to tactically be a tad more expansive then you could be looking at the defence stats being more like those under RDM at the start of the season. I am hoping having a more solid option than Baker alongside the generally excellent Chester will let us be more expansive in midfield without the defence going to shit.

Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: aev on July 03, 2017, 01:26:38 PM
Thought he came over well in the interview.

I hope he can help get us back to where we should be.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Clampy on July 03, 2017, 01:28:21 PM
The bit I find odd is the comments I've seen here and multiple other places about him coming in and organising the defence.  The defence was, generally, solid most of last season.  We had plenty of clean sheets in the new year so I don't know what people expect.  All of our problems are down to organisation in midfield and training and I just don't see how Terry addresses those issues.  He might add a few goals from corners, which will just further my belief that Bruce would be happy winning 1-0 and only committing people forward to set pieces.

The 19 goals Kodjia scored and the 9 or 10 Adomah set up last season doesn't really bear your 'only committing people forward to set pieces' theory very well really.

I think you should read it again, "I think Bruce would be happy" doesn't mean I think that we did that. 

No, you're right, we didn't do that.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Ads on July 03, 2017, 01:28:46 PM


The erm and you know count was surprisingly low.

Very knowledgeable to be fair.

"Winning this league" - we won the league in South London? Not quite the same ring to it.

Thinking about him repeating that aim, winning the league, it has taken me aback a bit to hear a Villa player use those words in that order. Makes me feel this may just be a very good thing.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: phantom limb on July 03, 2017, 01:30:39 PM
I don't like the man and am not thrilled that he's here but good luck to him. We need to go back up this season.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 03, 2017, 01:31:01 PM
He might be a massive racist, but he's our massive racist now.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: KevinGage on July 03, 2017, 01:33:31 PM
Please bring this up to prove me wrong in May. Please.

It will all end in tears, recriminations and another 100 plus page thread.

On the plus side: I'd say Terry and Bruce will be long gone in 12 months.

Welcome, FKW.

How's that a plus side? It will mean we've fucked up again and have an extended stay in the lower leagues in store.

It might force us to finally ditch the short cut approach.  And I say that as someone who wanted Bruce last October.

We'll soon see, but the majority of the clubs who have gone up recently have had something approximating an ethos and a modern style of play. Playing boofball, murderball or anything else other than football just to get up -and then having to adopt a modern approach only then- isn't the way to go.

The likes of Southampton, Swansea and now Bournemouth have all been able to make the transition from Championship to top flight with relative ease. They didn't do that by recruiting 'name' footballers on the way down. Even that other basketcase club Newcastle didn't go that route last year.

I wouldn't want to be out of the top division for as long as Southampton were. Or Leeds, or Forest or the rest still are.   But we need to get our house in order. We make jokes about it, but the lack of the basics over the years -movement off the ball and so forth, is criminal.  Until we address that, signings like Terry, Whelan or whoever are as effective as sticky plasters on shattered limbs.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: rob_bridge on July 03, 2017, 01:37:31 PM
Luckiest ****** in football. Actually has a chance at the finest club in the world to repair some of his much sullied reputation
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Five Villa Tattoos on July 03, 2017, 01:38:21 PM
I've always loved John Terry.

Anyone who claims I have previously referred to him as a "Dirty, cheating,racist,cockney wanker who's mum allegedly appears in gentlemans relaxation films and who's Dad allegedly deals happy powder and tablets" is a dirty liar. Anyone who also goes onto claim I once sang to him "John Terry we know what you are" is also a big fat fibber.

I love John Terry and I'm going to call him JT from now on.😳
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: London Villan on July 03, 2017, 01:42:43 PM
How weird does that look!??!

He's signed, he acknowledged getting some stick here at least, so I guess we treat him as another one of the squad and prove he is still good enough.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: E I Adio on July 03, 2017, 01:44:10 PM
Why does he keep saying 'myself'?

Because it would seem that they are coached to avoid using the term "me". The fact that there are other ways to rephrase a sentence seems to escape them.

It was one of Barry's favourites, who was particularly annoying with his liberal sprinklings of "myself".
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Diablo on July 03, 2017, 01:45:38 PM
FFS! When you think of players we've been linked with in the past... I really hoped John Terry was going to be filed under players that Aston Villa almost signed but didn't. This season is going to be like trying to look at a thing of beauty through a filthy triple glazed window covered in excrement.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 03, 2017, 01:49:55 PM
The bit I find odd is the comments I've seen here and multiple other places about him coming in and organising the defence.  The defence was, generally, solid most of last season.  We had plenty of clean sheets in the new year so I don't know what people expect.  All of our problems are down to organisation in midfield and training and I just don't see how Terry addresses those issues.  He might add a few goals from corners, which will just further my belief that Bruce would be happy winning 1-0 and only committing people forward to set pieces.

The defence was half decent last season in the main, but if Terry can get close to the standards he's set in his career we should have the best defence in the league with him in it. On the other hand, if it doesn't work out we still have a defence which should just about do. That's why it's not an enormous risk. It's not like you have a good team and just need someone to stick the ball in the net and you go and buy an Adebayor for example. I agree that the midfield and the link up to the forwards (and the style of play) needs work, hopefully that's next. I also think that having someone to look up to (from a footballing sense) on the pitch should help the whole team, have a calming influence and let others just do their thing.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 03, 2017, 01:52:37 PM
Sky reporter asks Harry Redknapp such a stupid question

why do you think John Terry signed for Villa and not Birmingham

FFS
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Mortimer's Bear on July 03, 2017, 01:56:00 PM
FFS! When you think players we've been linked with in the past... I really hoped John Terry was going to be filed under players that Aston Villa almost signed but didn't. This season is going to be like trying to look at a thing of beauty through a filthy triple glazed window covered in excrement.

That's the spirit.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 03, 2017, 01:58:24 PM
Sky reporter asks Harry Redknapp such a stupid question

why do you think John Terry signed for Villa and not Birmingham

FFS

It's what reporters do, I'm surprised Harry didn't have one of his almighty big kid strops with his bottom lip out and all.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: andyh on July 03, 2017, 01:59:31 PM


The erm and you know count was surprisingly low.

Very knowledgeable to be fair.

"Winning this league" - we won the league in South London? Not quite the same ring to it.

Thinking about him repeating that aim, winning the league, it has taken me aback a bit to hear a Villa player use those words in that order. Makes me feel this may just be a very good thing.

Full kit wanker!
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: LukeJames on July 03, 2017, 02:02:46 PM
This is an Alex Mcleish moment, first heard the news and thought it would never happen, our club wouldn't be that stupid again but yet here we are. This signing is purely an ego massage, look at us everybody, it adds nothing and sorts none of our problems from last season out. The most positive thing I can come up with for signing him is that he will organise our defence, but that wasn't really an issue anyway. We now have a month to sort outvthe real isssue of creating and putting away chances.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Ads on July 03, 2017, 02:06:07 PM
I can't agree with that.

Nothing the club has done since 1874 was quite as mind knowingly stupid as TSM. Terry would have lumbering burks like Chris Wood in his back pocket.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: olaftab on July 03, 2017, 02:06:37 PM
So he is going to wear number 26. Kodjia will be assigned 59 or something?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 03, 2017, 02:07:50 PM
Make sure you get us promoted Terry.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Ads on July 03, 2017, 02:18:50 PM
Pat Murphy saying Round played a big part in convincing him and that we offered the lowest amount salary wise out of all of the club's chasing him?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 03, 2017, 02:19:07 PM
So he is going to wear number 26. Kodjia will be assigned 59 or something?

Hopefully he'll get Gabbys number.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 03, 2017, 02:20:38 PM
I'd imagine Kodjia will just get number 10, as Ayew has left.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: paul_e on July 03, 2017, 02:20:43 PM
The bit I find odd is the comments I've seen here and multiple other places about him coming in and organising the defence.  The defence was, generally, solid most of last season.  We had plenty of clean sheets in the new year so I don't know what people expect.  All of our problems are down to organisation in midfield and training and I just don't see how Terry addresses those issues.  He might add a few goals from corners, which will just further my belief that Bruce would be happy winning 1-0 and only committing people forward to set pieces.


Thou I agree the defence was one of the best statistically in the league , there was times when we went ahead and we then turned into headless chickens , we were not good under pressure and how many late goals did we concede.   

Though we had a good defensive record under Bruce last season, a lot of that was as much to do with having 10 men behind the ball and not committing men forwards as it was to the defenders suddenly becoming good at defending. If we want Bruce to tactically be a tad more expansive then you could be looking at the defence stats being more like those under RDM at the start of the season. I am hoping having a more solid option than Baker alongside the generally excellent Chester will let us be more expansive in midfield without the defence going to shit.



See this is the bit that I'm not sure about.  I agree totally on the fact that we defended well because we defended in numbers, anyone who saw us play can tell you that. The issue is that Bruce has done that pretty much everywhere he's been.  There's an argument that he's never had a defender of the standard of Terry so maybe he'll be more willing to trust his defence now but there's no evidence to back that up.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Jimbo on July 03, 2017, 02:27:49 PM
The most punchable face in football since Dennis Wise.

But this isn't an Alex McLeish moment, quite the opposite. McLeish was shit, but not a shit bloke, whereas Terry is a shit bloke, but not shit.

It isn't about organising a defence. It's much bigger than that. It's about convincing the whole squad that they are at a football club and not a country spa. That they're in the business of winning, not just accepting huge wages, driving Lambos and having a shit Instagram account. He's here to intimidate them into behaving like professional footballers.

I'm not convinced he can do that, but I'm willing to give him a chance as a player. As a bloke, my thoughts on him don't really change.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: brian green on July 03, 2017, 02:31:36 PM
Not sure how you intimidate somebody into behaving like a professional footballer.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: SamTheMouse on July 03, 2017, 02:33:33 PM
My moral compass broke ages ago. I'm so disillusioned these days, I couldn't be arsed if we signed the reanimated corpse of Augusto Pinochet, provided it meant we were likely to be less shit.

Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on July 03, 2017, 02:34:08 PM
I understand that his father will be selling a variety of half time pick me ups at a kiosk just outside the toilets in the Trinity Road Stand.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 03, 2017, 02:35:43 PM
I understand that his father will be selling a variety of half time pick me ups at a kiosk just outside the toilets in the Trinity Road Stand.

Right everyone, enough dissent. Let's make this work for all of us.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Ads on July 03, 2017, 02:36:20 PM
Now 6/1 to win the title. Do you want to be against us? Probably as that would be where the value is.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: tomd2103 on July 03, 2017, 02:37:07 PM
The bit I find odd is the comments I've seen here and multiple other places about him coming in and organising the defence.  The defence was, generally, solid most of last season.  We had plenty of clean sheets in the new year so I don't know what people expect.  All of our problems are down to organisation in midfield and training and I just don't see how Terry addresses those issues.  He might add a few goals from corners, which will just further my belief that Bruce would be happy winning 1-0 and only committing people forward to set pieces.


Thou I agree the defence was one of the best statistically in the league , there was times when we went ahead and we then turned into headless chickens , we were not good under pressure and how many late goals did we concede.   

Though we had a good defensive record under Bruce last season, a lot of that was as much to do with having 10 men behind the ball and not committing men forwards as it was to the defenders suddenly becoming good at defending. If we want Bruce to tactically be a tad more expansive then you could be looking at the defence stats being more like those under RDM at the start of the season. I am hoping having a more solid option than Baker alongside the generally excellent Chester will let us be more expansive in midfield without the defence going to shit.



See this is the bit that I'm not sure about.  I agree totally on the fact that we defended well because we defended in numbers, anyone who saw us play can tell you that. The issue is that Bruce has done that pretty much everywhere he's been.  There's an argument that he's never had a defender of the standard of Terry so maybe he'll be more willing to trust his defence now but there's no evidence to back that up.

The problem I foresee though Paul is that we will have to defend deep with Terry in the side, whereas I think we would benefit from keeping a fairly high defensive line and trying to squeeze teams a bit more.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: brian green on July 03, 2017, 02:38:13 PM
Terry to Johnny Danger. Oi, Codge, bin them accountancy books, yer coming with me down the betting shop.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: paul_e on July 03, 2017, 02:38:44 PM
The bit I find odd is the comments I've seen here and multiple other places about him coming in and organising the defence.  The defence was, generally, solid most of last season.  We had plenty of clean sheets in the new year so I don't know what people expect.  All of our problems are down to organisation in midfield and training and I just don't see how Terry addresses those issues.  He might add a few goals from corners, which will just further my belief that Bruce would be happy winning 1-0 and only committing people forward to set pieces.


Thou I agree the defence was one of the best statistically in the league , there was times when we went ahead and we then turned into headless chickens , we were not good under pressure and how many late goals did we concede.   

Though we had a good defensive record under Bruce last season, a lot of that was as much to do with having 10 men behind the ball and not committing men forwards as it was to the defenders suddenly becoming good at defending. If we want Bruce to tactically be a tad more expansive then you could be looking at the defence stats being more like those under RDM at the start of the season. I am hoping having a more solid option than Baker alongside the generally excellent Chester will let us be more expansive in midfield without the defence going to shit.



See this is the bit that I'm not sure about.  I agree totally on the fact that we defended well because we defended in numbers, anyone who saw us play can tell you that. The issue is that Bruce has done that pretty much everywhere he's been.  There's an argument that he's never had a defender of the standard of Terry so maybe he'll be more willing to trust his defence now but there's no evidence to back that up.

The problem I foresee though Paul is that we will have to defend deep with Terry in the side, whereas I think we would benefit from keeping a fairly high defensive line and trying to squeeze teams a bit more.

That's very possible.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: postal on July 03, 2017, 02:48:53 PM
It wont be a bed of roses, but I doubt he'll do something as stupid of "having his mobile send a photo of his car, whilst in his pocket"
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on July 03, 2017, 02:53:12 PM


Didn't want him.
Didn't really see any need to sign him.
Think the wages are absolutely ridiculous.

And mainly I feel sorry for Baker, because if he can't start at this level at his age he should look for a new club. Which if he does will leave us in yet another mess come next season

But welcome John. Don't let us down.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: NeilH on July 03, 2017, 03:04:05 PM
In my eyes he’s been brought in resolve an ingrained problem at the club and I’m not remotely convinced that the likes of Micah Richards will rock up their gazillion pound cars tomorrow morning and suddenly behave like model footballers, as they see JT pulling into Bodymoor.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: LeeB on July 03, 2017, 03:09:52 PM
My moral compass broke ages ago. I'm so disillusioned these days, I couldn't be arsed if we signed the reanimated corpse of Augusto Pinochet, provided it meant we were likely to be less shit.



Say what you like but he could fill a stadium.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: usav on July 03, 2017, 03:10:32 PM

And mainly I feel sorry for Baker, because if he can't start at this level at his age he should look for a new club. Which if he does will leave us in yet another mess come next season

But welcome John. Don't let us down.

I do feel sorry for Baker as well.  However, he is injury prone and has never completed a substantial run of games so between the pair of them we have a solid partner for Chester.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Ormy Droid on July 03, 2017, 03:18:23 PM
My moral compass broke ages ago. I'm so disillusioned these days, I couldn't be arsed if we signed the reanimated corpse of Augusto Pinochet, provided it meant we were likely to be less shit.



Say what you like but he could fill a stadium.

He certainly knew how to make mincemeat out of the opposition.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on July 03, 2017, 03:22:57 PM
I do feel sorry for Baker as well.  However, he is injury prone and has never completed a substantial run of games so between the pair of them we have a solid partner for Chester.

I bet he made around 30 appearances last season. Not that bad all things considered, such as Elphick starting the season as well

I honestly felt Chester & Baker complimented each other well. Chester reads the game quite well and Baker was the head in where it hurts foil for him. Plus he's left footed which means we had a natural balance at the back as well
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 03, 2017, 03:24:45 PM
Baker also had about the only decent song we've had since Yorke left.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: stuart445 on July 03, 2017, 03:25:12 PM
I am not as outraged as I would have been 5 years ago but Villa have become a pathetic team in recent seasons and an embarrassment in a lot of games they have played  . JT is one footballer I have hated most of his football career ( maybe I should not say hated , its a harsh word ) but I just want Villa back in the Prem and  he is a good footballer even at his age , you dont always need pace when you have a brain  and he is a leader , top winning managers have always put his name on their team sheet first and will make a big difference in the team .

Just do it this season JT FFS



well they've had to put his name 1st on the team sheet as the ones that don't tend to not stay in the job for much longer
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on July 03, 2017, 03:26:00 PM
It will be interesting to see if we end up "paying" Terry to scout some of our up and coming youngsters (Green, RHM, Davis, Grealish etc.) or any other up and coming youngster in the championship) for chelski. I wouldnt want us to be their feeder club! Bruce has just increased the pressure on himself with this signing. The first 6 games are going to be crucial for him.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chris Jameson on July 03, 2017, 03:30:44 PM
It will be interesting to see if we end up "paying" Terry to scout some of our up and coming youngsters (Green, RHM, Davis, Grealish etc.) or any other up and coming youngster in the championship) for chelski. I wouldnt want us to be their feeder club! Bruce has just increased the pressure on himself with this signing. The first 6 games are going to be crucial for him.

Can't see the Big League gazillionaire champions bothering about players who can't get in the starting eleven of a mid table Championship team.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: shaw thing on July 03, 2017, 03:42:27 PM
Well , we got our nasty streak. Welcome but blerrrggghhh.Anyone got a cloth ?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 03, 2017, 03:54:30 PM
Baker has played something like 72 league games in the last 2 years. Chuck in a few games missed for suspensions during that time and him being behind Elphick for the first couple of months of last season and he hasn't missed that many through injury.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Brend'Watkins on July 03, 2017, 03:54:49 PM
I do feel sorry for Baker as well.  However, he is injury prone and has never completed a substantial run of games so between the pair of them we have a solid partner for Chester.

I bet he made around 30 appearances last season. Not that bad all things considered, such as Elphick starting the season as well

I honestly felt Chester & Baker complimented each other well. Chester reads the game quite well and Baker was the head in where it hurts foil for him. Plus he's left footed which means we had a natural balance at the back as well

I doubt if he was club footed he could have had a worse delivery than he has.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on July 03, 2017, 03:56:17 PM
Chris, you might be right-time will tell. I was thinking academy youngsters also. If we have a good season and one of the players I mentioned comes through, you never know what interest that could create. Also I think manufactured teams like chelski, don't always take players on to play them, but to stop rival teams from playing them.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: VillaBoy_23 on July 03, 2017, 04:04:16 PM
Some of the responses on this thread are borderline hysterical. Welcome to the Villa JT, hoping you'll give us the mentality to get us promoted next season.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Gareth on July 03, 2017, 04:09:50 PM
Hallelujah we have a centre half who can actually pass a ball properly! There is a chance we might even try and pass it from the back and retain a bit of possession rather than hoof and chase...going through be weird to watch
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Dave P on July 03, 2017, 04:11:01 PM
Baker has played something like 72 league games in the last 2 years. Chuck in a few games missed for suspensions during that time and him being behind Elphick for the first couple of months of last season and he hasn't missed that many through injury.

Will Baker miss the first 3 games anyway, given his sending off against Brighton?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 03, 2017, 04:13:26 PM
Baker has played something like 72 league games in the last 2 years. Chuck in a few games missed for suspensions during that time and him being behind Elphick for the first couple of months of last season and he hasn't missed that many through injury.

Will Baker miss the first 3 games anyway, given his sending off against Brighton?

1 game I think.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: AV5nobs on July 03, 2017, 04:14:32 PM
Hallelujah we have a centre half who can actually pass a ball properly! There is a chance we might even try and pass it from the back and retain a bit of possession rather than hoof and chase...going through be weird to watch

This
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: gpbarr on July 03, 2017, 04:22:54 PM
His best years behind him, and the personal stuff dissected by the media - but this is for me a very good signing. We have missed some steel for many a year, he is a leader through and through (not something you lose), and he will be more than good enough in this league. Well done AVFC
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: tomd2103 on July 03, 2017, 04:28:37 PM
I do feel sorry for Baker as well.  However, he is injury prone and has never completed a substantial run of games so between the pair of them we have a solid partner for Chester.

I bet he made around 30 appearances last season. Not that bad all things considered, such as Elphick starting the season as well

I honestly felt Chester & Baker complimented each other well. Chester reads the game quite well and Baker was the head in where it hurts foil for him. Plus he's left footed which means we had a natural balance at the back as well

Although not naturally left footed, Terry has always played as a left centre back.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: clash city rocker on July 03, 2017, 04:35:27 PM
At least he'he's a player with a winning mentality
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: AV5nobs on July 03, 2017, 04:42:43 PM
At least he'he's a player with a winning mentality

Indeed
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: stuart445 on July 03, 2017, 04:55:53 PM
At least he'he's a player with a winning mentality

So was Lescott and Richards when Sherwood signed them
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: AV5nobs on July 03, 2017, 05:15:08 PM
At least he'he's a player with a winning mentality

So was Lescott and Richards when Sherwood signed them

Neither were servants of 18 + years at one club or captains
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: stuart445 on July 03, 2017, 05:16:56 PM
At least he'he's a player with a winning mentality

So was Lescott and Richards when Sherwood signed them

Neither were servants of 18 + years at one club or captains

No one was allegedly a Villa Fan and had played regularly the season before picking up the player of the year.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: AV5nobs on July 03, 2017, 05:21:03 PM
He his here, let's not dwell, deal with it.

Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Uknowthescore on July 03, 2017, 05:26:51 PM
What a great signing
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: LeeB on July 03, 2017, 06:18:57 PM
He his here, let's not dwell, deal with it.



Are they clues? Is this 3-2-1?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: class-of-82 on July 03, 2017, 06:20:48 PM
brilliant signing
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on July 03, 2017, 06:24:04 PM
At least he'he's a player with a winning mentality

as did Pires and Cole.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: CT on July 03, 2017, 06:27:39 PM

And mainly I feel sorry for Baker, because if he can't start at this level at his age he should look for a new club. Which if he does will leave us in yet another mess come next season

But welcome John. Don't let us down.

I do feel sorry for Baker as well.  However, he is injury prone and has never completed a substantial run of games so between the pair of them we have a solid partner for Chester.

The complete negative in me says JT will probably get injured a few games in and we'll be back with Baker & Chester anyway!
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: garyfouroaks on July 03, 2017, 06:28:38 PM
No signing comes with a satisfaction guaranteed stamp.

He is a leader, a winner, a very good defender, and a player with an excellent personal network.

It is possible that he is well past his best, but every player can lose form, and on a one year contract he is worth a gamble. He does not need the money, he does want to play football, which is a significant head start on numerous other highly paid PL wasters.

Well worth a gamble.

Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: four fornicholl on July 03, 2017, 06:31:00 PM
John Terree, Terree, Whatever will be, will be, We're going to Wemberlee, John Terree, Terree. :-[
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on July 03, 2017, 06:32:23 PM
He might be a massive racist, but he's our massive racist now.

So that's alright then ? :(
Totally underwhelmed to be honest
Lets hope Bruce and the owner have  "more welcome" signings to follow - some flair and pace would be nice
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on July 03, 2017, 06:40:01 PM
Welcome. I would encourage Terry to get involved in a local charity , preferably around race. I think it would go someway to ease peoples
 rightful concerns about his past.

Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Neil Hawkes on July 03, 2017, 06:43:49 PM
Never listened to him before, he comes across well in the interview. Hope he lives up to his promise.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: CT on July 03, 2017, 07:05:30 PM
Just had a reply from Derek Mountfield on Twitter.

"Gets a 👍 from me, could be just what Villa have needed, leader and a bloody good defender".

Paul McGrath and Carlos Cuellar both very positive too - if it's good enough for them.....
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Confusious says on July 03, 2017, 07:06:45 PM
Anyone seen Central News, When the Terry signing was announced Bob Warman read out a poem from a fan & it ended that Terry decided to sign for the Pride of Brum & not the Scum.  I would say there will be some complaints coming there way
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Pat McMahon on July 03, 2017, 07:08:52 PM
At least he'he's a player with a winning mentality

So was Lescott and Richards when Sherwood signed them

Not so sure about Richards  - wasn't he a bit part player at Fiorentina?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: ldavfc4eva on July 03, 2017, 07:36:17 PM

This comment for me sums it up, welcome JT, lead us back to the premier league.

No signing comes with a satisfaction guaranteed stamp.

He is a leader, a winner, a very good defender, and a player with an excellent personal network.

It is possible that he is well past his best, but every player can lose form, and on a one year contract he is worth a gamble. he does not ned the money, he does want to play football, which is a significant head start on numerous other highly paid PL wasters.

Well worth a gamble.


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Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: KRS on July 03, 2017, 07:36:56 PM
Welcome to Villa Park JT.

I'm not a fan of his, but it's time to let his football do the talking for our great club. He spoke very well in his interview, he's won countless honours for his previous club, and captained both his team and England.

If he can form a strong partnership with Chester then hopefully we'll have a foundation to build from the back without so many mistakes, and if that confidence can flow through the team then we may start to play a more expansive brand of football.

Support the player, not the man.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 03, 2017, 07:54:14 PM
Sounded quite knowledgeable in the interview. Now he's here I hope he achieves his aim.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Gregorys Boy on July 03, 2017, 07:57:56 PM
Not happy about this one.  For moral reasons I don't want the scumbag playing for us.  Even for footballing reasons I have my doubts.  Think he could divide squad. The amount of money we are paying him could prove an issue.  The jury's out on that one at least. He should be a squad player not a starter IMO.  Think we need to strengthen further up the field more. 
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 03, 2017, 08:01:11 PM
If he stays fit there's no doubt he's the best defender in the league. I have similar views to most on his character, but his ability as a footballer far outstrips anything in this division.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Nelson Lodge on July 03, 2017, 08:03:22 PM
I love AVFC without any reservations. However, because I love Villa does not mean that I have to like every person who works for the club, or every player that plays for the club.


Moving on, from what I have seen and heard of JT today I thought he handled the media very well and did not come across as being "thick", which I did not expect.

Finally and completely irrelevant I have only ever met 2 Villa players as far as I can recall, and one was our family GP when I was a child growing up in Aldridge.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: adrenachrome on July 03, 2017, 08:30:35 PM
I hope it works well, and it is quite possible that it will.

I still wonder about Bruce's overall plan and I among those who hoped never to see the bloke in our colours.

There is little doubt that it will boost the morale of the extreme right wing of our supporter base, which is larger than most posters on this site think.

He is here though, so we have to deal with it. My brother says he won't go to the games while he is there, but he only goes around 5 games per season anyway.

Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Ger Regan on July 03, 2017, 08:32:37 PM
*Sigh*
You're here now. Please don't be shit.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: thick_mike on July 03, 2017, 08:37:34 PM
*Sigh*
You're here now. Please don't be shit.

This ^^^^^
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Damo70 on July 03, 2017, 08:41:15 PM
I love AVFC without any reservations. However, because I love Villa does not mean that I have to like every person who works for the club, or every player that plays for the club.


Moving on, from what I have seen and heard of JT today I thought he handled the media very well and did not come across as being "thick", which I did not expect.

Finally and completely irrelevant I have only ever met 2 Villa players as far as I can recall, and one was our family GP when I was a child growing up in Aldridge.



I think he has always handled the media well. Especially as he must go into each interview knowing a fair percentage of the journalists there don't like him.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 03, 2017, 08:51:53 PM
He might be a massive racist, but he's our massive racist now.

So that's alright then ? :(

It was only a joke.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on July 03, 2017, 09:11:48 PM
He might be a massive racist, but he's our massive racist now.

So that's alright then ? :(

It was only a joke.

yeh right ...racism is hilarious
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 03, 2017, 09:14:24 PM
I think it was pretty clear by Paulie's posting record that he was taking the piss.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: wittonwarrior on July 03, 2017, 09:16:47 PM
It's going to be emotional one way or th other
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 03, 2017, 09:24:26 PM
He is here, so it's done.

So we now have now replaced the Chelsea pretender with the real thing.

We have to hope that EBJT has the character, fitness and ability to be the dressing room leader/enforcer that he has been hired as.
If he has not been hired for this, then I have no idea why he is here.


Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on July 03, 2017, 09:24:33 PM
I think it was pretty clear by Paulie's posting record that he was taking the piss.
I obviously missed the joke .... I mean no ill feeling to Paulie, its just that racism is one thing I am really passionate about, having witnessed it first hand growing up in Brum and more recently when visiting  Memphis and Muscle Shoals
Lets hope Mr Terry can win over the majority of our fans on and off the pitch .......I will get off my moral high horse now ! - Cheers Paulie - no hard feelings eh? UTV
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: manic-road on July 03, 2017, 09:38:12 PM
Time will tell if JT is going to be a good signing but I hope he performs well for the club both on and off the pitch.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Pat McMahon on July 03, 2017, 09:51:39 PM
I love AVFC without any reservations. However, because I love Villa does not mean that I have to like every person who works for the club, or every player that plays for the club.


Moving on, from what I have seen and heard of JT today I thought he handled the media very well and did not come across as being "thick", which I did not expect.

Finally and completely irrelevant I have only ever met 2 Villa players as far as I can recall, and one was our family GP when I was a child growing up in Aldridge.

Your final comment intrigues me. We had a player who became a GP?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: KevinGage on July 03, 2017, 09:54:54 PM


There is little doubt that it will boost the morale of the extreme right wing of our supporter base, which is larger than most posters on this site think.

We've all daubed racist slogans around Aston Expressway. Man up. 

JT is just the man to drag this club kicking and screaming into the 19th century. And if the Corbynista peaceniks don't like it, they can jolly well go and live in Russia.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: MoetVillan on July 03, 2017, 10:08:39 PM


There is little doubt that it will boost the morale of the extreme right wing of our supporter base, which is larger than most posters on this site think.

We've all daubed racist slogans around Aston Expressway. Man up. 

JT is just the man to drag this club kicking and screaming into the 19th century. And if the Corbynista peaceniks don't like it, they can jolly well go and live in Russia.

Have we?

And Russia is non racist?

confused....
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on July 03, 2017, 10:10:41 PM
In the interview at least he was aware of the persuasion job he has to do. he was also spot on when he said something like "it starts with performances, you cant expect fans to get behind me unless I perform first". Which is right.

Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: four fornicholl on July 03, 2017, 10:12:03 PM
Giving him the 26 shirt is a bit Hollywood, but I think he's just what we need. Fingers crossed.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Jon Crofts on July 03, 2017, 10:13:51 PM
Welcome to Aston Villa.

Don't be a ******.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: MoetVillan on July 03, 2017, 10:15:36 PM
Welcome to Aston Villa.

Don't be a c***.

On the money.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 03, 2017, 10:24:53 PM
I think it was pretty clear by Paulie's posting record that he was taking the piss.
I obviously missed the joke .... I mean no ill feeling to Paulie, its just that racism is one thing I am really passionate about, having witnessed it first hand growing up in Brum and more recently when visiting  Memphis and Muscle Shoals
Lets hope Mr Terry can win over the majority of our fans on and off the pitch .......I will get off my moral high horse now ! - Cheers Paulie - no hard feelings eh? UTV

How's Merseyside treating you these days?


(http://thumb.ibb.co/mgts7v/sport_barnes0_2058991c.jpg) (http://ibb.co/mgts7v)
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Dave on July 03, 2017, 10:33:33 PM
I'm not that bothered either way. I'd lean more to the side of being righteous about not signing dicks, but not to the extent of taking up arms about it. If it were the difference between first and second in the Premier League maybe I'd feel more anguished about it, but second, sixth or eighth in the Championship or 17th in the Premier League, are any of them that much more thrilling than the others?

I'm pretty sure that the football side will be fine. As someone alluded to earlier, Chris Wood scored thirty-odd goals last season. A sixty year old John Terry would probably stop Chris Wood from scoring. There will probably be about four goals next year which will result from him not being able to keep up with a quick striker, and that will be WHY WE SHOULDN'T HAVE SIGNED HIM. But there will probably be five headers from corners which will be WHY IT'S GREAT THAT WE SIGNED HIM.

He's still a dick. And someone I'd never want to ever meet. But hey, there are lots of people like that.

It'll make me less likely to go to games next season than more likely, but not to the extent that I'm not going on principle. Hold your nose and in you go.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chris Jameson on July 03, 2017, 10:46:42 PM
Curtis Davies moved to Derby for £500,000, he would have been a better signing. As would Windsor and Sharon. Or even Helen Terry, Church of the Poison Mind is a brilliant song.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: olaftab on July 03, 2017, 10:58:11 PM
I'd imagine Kodjia will just get number 10, as Ayew has left.
That would be good.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: olaftab on July 03, 2017, 11:04:10 PM
*Sigh*
You're here now. Please don't be shit.

This ^^^^^
Yes and don't take the piss.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: peter w on July 03, 2017, 11:27:31 PM
He might be a massive racist, but he's our massive racist now.

So that's alright then ? :(

It was only a joke.

yeh right ...racism is hilarious

I hear you're a racist now Villa.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: adrenachrome on July 03, 2017, 11:34:05 PM


There is little doubt that it will boost the morale of the extreme right wing of our supporter base, which is larger than most posters on this site think.

We've all daubed racist slogans around Aston Expressway. Man up. 

JT is just the man to drag this club kicking and screaming into the 19th century. And if the Corbynista peaceniks don't like it, they can jolly well go and live in Russia.

For many years I used to have a few pints in The Vine to avoid the ridiculous queues at Aston Station. More often than not there would be a section of fans giving it the full gun on the train back; all the classics. I think they were Redditch bound.

 In thehe league cup semi final at home to Leicester we got tickets in the upper section of the Lower Hollte and they seemed quite surprised when a few people objected to the comments about Pakis. We have the Anti Nazi League in tonight was one comment.

Maybe these people have changed their ways or stopped going, but  I doubt it.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: tomd2103 on July 03, 2017, 11:55:24 PM
He might be a massive racist, but he's our massive racist now.

So that's alright then ? :(

It was only a joke.

yeh right ...racism is hilarious

I hear you're a racist now Villa.

I have been going to Villa Park for over 30 years and can honestly only ever recall being in earshot of two racist incidents involving our fans.  The first was when one of our own supporters shouted "come on you black bastard" at Dion Dublin and the other was when.someone went into a rant at Swansea fans and included "f*cking pakis and blacks " in it for some reason.  Both times they were individuals who came out with it and both times our own fans around them confronted them about it.   The latter situation turned a bit nasty and the club got involved after some complaints. 

So to suggest there is a large extreme right wing element is a little wide if the mark in my experience.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on July 04, 2017, 12:10:00 AM
He might be a massive racist, but he's our massive racist now.

So that's alright then ? :(

It was only a joke.

yeh right ...racism is hilarious

I hear you're a racist now Villa.

Those greeks coming over here stealing our women!

Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: adrenachrome on July 04, 2017, 12:14:48 AM
He might be a massive racist, but he's our massive racist now.

So that's alright then ? :(

It was only a joke.

yeh right ...racism is hilarious

I hear you're a racist now Villa.

Those greeks coming over here stealing our women!



Not to mention their Trojan Horse Virus Payloads.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: VancouverLion on July 04, 2017, 03:04:00 AM
He won't go into hiding when things get tough which is more than you can say for the majority of our squad, special mention to Gabby the Messiah there too. If ever there's a player that should never wear our colours again, this moron should top the list.

Say what you want about Terry, he's a winner, a born leader and a brilliant defender.

Welcome to Aston Villa FC, JT. The biggest club you'll ever play for.

Ps please lead us back to where we belong.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: sid1964 on July 04, 2017, 07:04:50 AM
I had to smile at some of the text messages that Bruce sent to Terry, it seems to me as though Bruce wants to date him, rather than sign for our club!

I hope that all works out and he leads us back to the promised land, but I do have my doubts, and if all does not go well (injury, team is struggling etc..), I would not be surprised if during the season Terry suddenly announce his retirement from the playing side of the game.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: VillaAlways on July 04, 2017, 07:59:51 AM

https://t.co/RraAJt50Nb?ssr=true

This did make me laugh. Especially as Warman clearly had no clue as to what he was about to read out.

Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: villabear on July 04, 2017, 08:12:30 AM
I watched the press conference yesterday. His media training has clearly payed off as I thought he spoke really well.

He's here now. I can't say I like him as a person but as footballer I'd rather have him in my team rather than against.

'puts tin hat on'
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Mortimer's Bear on July 04, 2017, 08:16:06 AM
Welcome to the club JT.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: ColinMac on July 04, 2017, 08:27:08 AM
He might be a massive racist, but he's our massive racist now.

So that's alright then ? :(

It was only a joke.

yeh right ...racism is hilarious

I hear you're a racist now Villa.

I have been going to Villa Park for over 30 years and can honestly only ever recall being in earshot of two racist incidents involving our fans.  The first was when one of our own supporters shouted "come on you black bastard" at Dion Dublin and the other was when.someone went into a rant at Swansea fans and included "f*cking pakis and blacks " in it for some reason.  Both times they were individuals who came out with it and both times our own fans around them confronted them about it.   The latter situation turned a bit nasty and the club got involved after some complaints. 

So to suggest there is a large extreme right wing element is a little wide if the mark in my experience.

So the Father Ted reference went straight over your head.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: itbrvilla on July 04, 2017, 08:41:19 AM
He might be a massive racist, but he's our massive racist now.

So that's alright then ? :(

It was only a joke.

yeh right ...racism is hilarious

I hear you're a racist now Villa.

I have been going to Villa Park for over 30 years and can honestly only ever recall being in earshot of two racist incidents involving our fans.  The first was when one of our own supporters shouted "come on you black bastard" at Dion Dublin and the other was when.someone went into a rant at Swansea fans and included "f*cking pakis and blacks " in it for some reason.  Both times they were individuals who came out with it and both times our own fans around them confronted them about it.   The latter situation turned a bit nasty and the club got involved after some complaints. 

So to suggest there is a large extreme right wing element is a little wide if the mark in my experience.

So the Father Ted reference went straight over your head.
Can't stop laughing  at that. Perhaps the accent wasn't very good.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Damo70 on July 04, 2017, 08:47:05 AM
The pundits, media and neutrals all seem to think we have played a blinder with this move.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: dave shelley on July 04, 2017, 08:47:34 AM
He might be a massive racist, but he's our massive racist now.

So that's alright then ? :(

It was only a joke.

yeh right ...racism is hilarious

I hear you're a racist now Villa.

I have been going to Villa Park for over 30 years and can honestly only ever recall being in earshot of two racist incidents involving our fans.  The first was when one of our own supporters shouted "come on you black bastard" at Dion Dublin and the other was when.someone went into a rant at Swansea fans and included "f*cking pakis and blacks " in it for some reason.  Both times they were individuals who came out with it and both times our own fans around them confronted them about it.   The latter situation turned a bit nasty and the club got involved after some complaints. 

So to suggest there is a large extreme right wing element is a little wide if the mark in my experience.

I don't know how old you are Tom but, I can assure you that in my time at the Villa racism was at times particularly nasty.  A couple of examples:

'N****r,N****r, lick my boots'.

'We believe in de Villa, whoa yea'.  Sung whilst raising the arms and shaking the hands a la minstrel style.

As for the bananas, well we won't bother going there.

No one around in those days to put a stop to it.  For someone like me and to be fair, many other people, it was disgusting, shameful and just so unnecessary.

I didn't want John Terry at the club and it's a waste of energy banging on about it but, if Terry gives credence to even thinking like that even though it was in the past, it leaves a sour taste in my mouth.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Stu on July 04, 2017, 08:56:18 AM
*Sigh*
You're here now. Please don't be shit.

It's all you can say isn't it really.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: tomd2103 on July 04, 2017, 08:58:08 AM
He might be a massive racist, but he's our massive racist now.

So that's alright then ? :(

It was only a joke.

yeh right ...racism is hilarious

I hear you're a racist now Villa.

I have been going to Villa Park for over 30 years and can honestly only ever recall being in earshot of two racist incidents involving our fans.  The first was when one of our own supporters shouted "come on you black bastard" at Dion Dublin and the other was when.someone went into a rant at Swansea fans and included "f*cking pakis and blacks " in it for some reason.  Both times they were individuals who came out with it and both times our own fans around them confronted them about it.   The latter situation turned a bit nasty and the club got involved after some complaints. 

So to suggest there is a large extreme right wing element is a little wide if the mark in my experience.

So the Father Ted reference went straight over your head.

No it didn't, I meant to reply to the post below yours!
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: villabear on July 04, 2017, 09:12:54 AM
He might be a massive racist, but he's our massive racist now.

So that's alright then ? :(

It was only a joke.

yeh right ...racism is hilarious

I hear you're a racist now Villa.

I have been going to Villa Park for over 30 years and can honestly only ever recall being in earshot of two racist incidents involving our fans.  The first was when one of our own supporters shouted "come on you black bastard" at Dion Dublin and the other was when.someone went into a rant at Swansea fans and included "f*cking pakis and blacks " in it for some reason.  Both times they were individuals who came out with it and both times our own fans around them confronted them about it.   The latter situation turned a bit nasty and the club got involved after some complaints. 

So to suggest there is a large extreme right wing element is a little wide if the mark in my experience.

I don't know how old you are Tom but, I can assure you that in my time at the Villa racism was at times particularly nasty.  A couple of examples:

'N****r,N****r, lick my boots'.

'We believe in de Villa, whoa yea'.  Sung whilst raising the arms and shaking the hands a la minstrel style.

As for the bananas, well we won't bother going there.

No one around in those days to put a stop to it.  For someone like me and to be fair, many other people, it was disgusting, shameful and just so unnecessary.

I didn't want John Terry at the club and it's a waste of energy banging on about it but, if Terry gives credence to even thinking like that even though it was in the past, it leaves a sour taste in my mouth.

I've sang "do you believe in the Villa"? loads of times but never with 'da Villa' and never sung like that. I've never once thought it had any racist meaning behind it.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: tomd2103 on July 04, 2017, 09:24:46 AM
He might be a massive racist, but he's our massive racist now.

So that's alright then ? :(

It was only a joke.

yeh right ...racism is hilarious

I hear you're a racist now Villa.

I have been going to Villa Park for over 30 years and can honestly only ever recall being in earshot of two racist incidents involving our fans.  The first was when one of our own supporters shouted "come on you black bastard" at Dion Dublin and the other was when.someone went into a rant at Swansea fans and included "f*cking pakis and blacks " in it for some reason.  Both times they were individuals who came out with it and both times our own fans around them confronted them about it.   The latter situation turned a bit nasty and the club got involved after some complaints. 

So to suggest there is a large extreme right wing element is a little wide if the mark in my experience.

I don't know how old you are Tom but, I can assure you that in my time at the Villa racism was at times particularly nasty.  A couple of examples:

'N****r,N****r, lick my boots'.

'We believe in de Villa, whoa yea'.  Sung whilst raising the arms and shaking the hands a la minstrel style.

As for the bananas, well we won't bother going there.

No one around in those days to put a stop to it.  For someone like me and to be fair, many other people, it was disgusting, shameful and just so unnecessary.

I didn't want John Terry at the club and it's a waste of energy banging on about it but, if Terry gives credence to even thinking like that even though it was in the past, it leaves a sour taste in my mouth.

Started going in the mid 80's Dave and can honestly say that those are the only two incidents I've ever encountered with Villa fans.  There have been of course incidents with other fans both at Villa Park and well into the 90's as well.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on July 04, 2017, 09:35:47 AM

I didn't want John Terry at the club and it's a waste of energy banging on about it but, if Terry gives credence to even thinking like that even though it was in the past, it leaves a sour taste in my mouth.

Honestly, and I mean this sincerely to hopefully put your mind at ease. I dont think John Terry gives any kind of credence to that kind of thinking. I really dont. Happily (look no further than here) even the notion of racism is called out loudly by fellow fans.

I know the world seems a bit crap at the moment but I do think that (in British football at least) racism is far far less tolerated than years ago and is met with anger or bafflement when seen. Progress has been made and I dont think its going anywhere.

I also happen to think that no matter what was in his heart years ago John Terry got the message loud and clear during his case.

I hope that helps because I would hate to think you or any respected fellow fan couldn't enjoy watching Villa play next season because of John Terry for whatever reason. It wont embolden racists because the we and you wont let that happen.

Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Nelson Lodge on July 04, 2017, 10:56:13 AM
I love AVFC without any reservations. However, because I love Villa does not mean that I have to like every person who works for the club, or every player that plays for the club.


Moving on, from what I have seen and heard of JT today I thought he handled the media very well and did not come across as being "thick", which I did not expect.

Finally and completely irrelevant I have only ever met 2 Villa players as far as I can recall, and one was our family GP when I was a child growing up in Aldridge.

Your final comment intrigues me. We had a player who became a GP?

Sorry reply delayed by overnight sleep, but yes way back in time Villa had a GP player. He was Dr Victor Milne, a Scot, played centre half and was in the 1924 FA Cup Final team. Last amateur to play for the Villa I believe. When I was a boy I had an infected knee which became swollen and he did a house call to lance it and clean out the infection. So to this day I have a scar inflicted by a Villa player! On one of his house calls dad got him to autograph a copy of the Peter Morris history book - the original edition I think. Still got it. He later became club doctor and his surgery in Portland Road, Aldridge had photographs of Villa teams of his era dotted about the walls of the Waiting Room. Probably only got into the team because Tommy Ball, who was expected to be one of the greats, got into an argument an off duty policeman neighbour and was shot an killed by said copper. Ball had succeeded the somewhat notorious Frank Barson at centre half.

The other player I came across was John Robson who was a member of the same MS Society branch as my wife.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chris Jameson on July 04, 2017, 11:27:45 AM
Can the moderators put some sort of filter on to prevent him being referred to as 'JT' please? I keep dry retching at the sight of it.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on July 04, 2017, 11:29:53 AM
Can the moderators put some sort of filter on to prevent him being referred to as 'JT' please? I keep dry retching at the sight of it.
You need to get over this Chris.  And if he plays a significant part in a promotion season I'm pretty sure you will.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chris Jameson on July 04, 2017, 11:36:50 AM
Can the moderators put some sort of filter on to prevent him being referred to as 'JT' please? I keep dry retching at the sight of it.
You need to get over this Chris.  And if he plays a significant part in a promotion season I'm pretty sure you will.

Is it that obvious I despise the man? Now he's known only by his initials by some on here it's only a matter of time before the 'captain, leader etc' starts appearing on club merchandise.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: WarszaVillan on July 04, 2017, 11:41:13 AM
Brave JT?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Jimbo on July 04, 2017, 11:43:27 AM
I agree. I think we should change his name entirely to something inoffensive like Russell Stevens or Gerald Appleyard. Reinvent him completely.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: exigo on July 04, 2017, 11:49:04 AM
I agree. I think we should change his name entirely to something inoffensive like Russell Stevens or Gerald Appleyard. Reinvent him completely.

Andrew Greaves?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Risso on July 04, 2017, 11:51:25 AM
Apparently he wants to manage us one day, as you can't have Chelsea as your first club, and he wants to make his mistakes elsewhere.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 04, 2017, 11:58:32 AM
Can the moderators put some sort of filter on to prevent him being referred to as 'JT' please? I keep dry retching at the sight of it.

I would like to sign something to confirm my support for this proposal.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Des Little on July 04, 2017, 12:15:23 PM
I agree. I think we should change his name entirely to something inoffensive like Russell Stevens or Gerald Appleyard. Reinvent him completely.

Andrew Greaves?

How dare you, sir.  There is only one Andrew Greaves, and shall always be so.

African Car Reverser?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: cheltenhamlion on July 04, 2017, 12:22:35 PM
I agree. I think we should change his name entirely to something inoffensive like Russell Stevens or Gerald Appleyard. Reinvent him completely.

Juan Tela.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Jimbo on July 04, 2017, 12:25:43 PM
I agree. I think we should change his name entirely to something inoffensive like Russell Stevens or Gerald Appleyard. Reinvent him completely.

Juan Tela.

Jermaine Tariq?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Hopadop on July 04, 2017, 12:31:20 PM



That tackle there's why I dislike Jean Thierry. It's as bad a one as I've seen - no thanks to him that JM managed to get his standing leg off the ground before it was snapped. But it's not just the tackle, it's the fact his first reaction wasn't to show concern for his fellow professional, it was to feign injury himself. It gives the lie to this whole captain, leader bollocks.

I accept that plenty of people like the club more than they dislike him. Equally my regard for the club means I don't want the likes of him associated with it. I'm sure I'll get over it but I'm never going to be happy about it.

Edit - I've got Peter O'Hanra-Hanrahan in my head now
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: stuart r on July 04, 2017, 12:33:31 PM
Apparently he wants to manage us one day, as you can't have Chelsea as your first club, and he wants to make his mistakes elsewhere.

I hadn't read that he would deign to manage us. I'd just read that he hopes to manage Chelsea ("I've always wanted to be the very best and if that's in management, then Chelsea's the one.") and that the main reason he signed for us was that he wouldn't have to play against Chelsea. This was all at his press conference after signing for Villa which was clearly a great opportunity for him to remind us all that he loves Chelsea.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: eamonn on July 04, 2017, 12:49:36 PM
Yeah, I was a bit non-plussed about his reason for rejecting PL teams being that he wouldn't have to face his beloved BloseSarf. It prompted the inevitable question from the SkySportsNews dude, ''What happens if Villa get promoted?".
Not that it really matters but I honestly thought one of the reasons for choosing us was that battling to win a title was more of a challenge than had he joined West Brom/Swansea etc. when at best the ambition would be to finish 7th.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 04, 2017, 12:52:01 PM
TJ Rules.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: eamonn on July 04, 2017, 12:52:11 PM
Doublepost
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Damo70 on July 04, 2017, 12:52:19 PM
I reserve the right to refer to him on here as JT out of pure laziness.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: dave shelley on July 04, 2017, 01:00:06 PM
I love AVFC without any reservations. However, because I love Villa does not mean that I have to like every person who works for the club, or every player that plays for the club.


Moving on, from what I have seen and heard of JT today I thought he handled the media very well and did not come across as being "thick", which I did not expect.

Finally and completely irrelevant I have only ever met 2 Villa players as far as I can recall, and one was our family GP when I was a child growing up in Aldridge.

Your final comment intrigues me. We had a player who became a GP?

Sorry reply delayed by overnight sleep, but yes way back in time Villa had a GP player. He was Dr Victor Milne, a Scot, played centre half and was in the 1924 FA Cup Final team. Last amateur to play for the Villa I believe. When I was a boy I had an infected knee which became swollen and he did a house call to lance it and clean out the infection. So to this day I have a scar inflicted by a Villa player! On one of his house calls dad got him to autograph a copy of the Peter Morris history book - the original edition I think. Still got it. He later became club doctor and his surgery in Portland Road, Aldridge had photographs of Villa teams of his era dotted about the walls of the Waiting Room. Probably only got into the team because Tommy Ball, who was expected to be one of the greats, got into an argument an off duty policeman neighbour and was shot an killed by said copper. Ball had succeeded the somewhat notorious Frank Barson at centre half.

The other player I came across was John Robson who was a member of the same MS Society branch as my wife.

My old mate Andy who is also an MS sufferer used to collect John Robson and take him to whatever MS society they used.  Perhaps your wife might know my friend.  Send me a pm and I'll give you his name.  They also used to go fishing together.  I last saw Andy two years ago and he didn't recognise us at first.  As we go back many,many years it hurt.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Hookeysmith on July 04, 2017, 01:00:31 PM
The pundits, media and neutrals all seem to think we have played a blinder with this move.

Add into that a series of ex players for and not from Villa - all seem to think it is a master stroke.

My concern has been all the way through this is that its a good but lazy option from Bruce - relying on a player to sort the others out rather than coaching / drilling method into them.

I wonder how much RDM may have influenced him about the club?

I think he may have a shock as a lot of players in the EPL will see a real "big name" and may want to put their mark on him
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Damo70 on July 04, 2017, 01:04:16 PM
The pundits, media and neutrals all seem to think we have played a blinder with this move.

Add into that a series of ex players for and not from Villa - all seem to think it is a master stroke.

My concern has been all the way through this is that its a good but lazy option from Bruce - relying on a player to sort the others out rather than coaching / drilling method into them.

I wonder how much RDM may have influenced him about the club?

I think he may have a shock as a lot of players in the EPL will see a real "big name" and may want to put their mark on him


I am guessing far better players than them have tried to put a mark on him. Especially in internationals and European competition. I wouldn't worry about him, he can look after himself.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: KevinGage on July 04, 2017, 01:04:44 PM
The pundits, media and neutrals all seem to think we have played a blinder with this move.

Most of the coverage I have seen has led off with 'Terry: I couldn't face Chelsea' and variations on a similar theme. That's the story.

Might as well get used to it, as every press conference he'll get put through from now on will spend 20/30 minutes asking him about Chelsea's Champions League credentials/ Conti's resignation/ Roman's favourite colour and about 5 minutes on Villa v Burton Albion or whoever.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: dave shelley on July 04, 2017, 01:06:40 PM

I didn't want John Terry at the club and it's a waste of energy banging on about it but, if Terry gives credence to even thinking like that even though it was in the past, it leaves a sour taste in my mouth.

Honestly, and I mean this sincerely to hopefully put your mind at ease. I dont think John Terry gives any kind of credence to that kind of thinking. I really dont. Happily (look no further than here) even the notion of racism is called out loudly by fellow fans.

I know the world seems a bit crap at the moment but I do think that (in British football at least) racism is far far less tolerated than years ago and is met with anger or bafflement when seen. Progress has been made and I dont think its going anywhere.

I also happen to think that no matter what was in his heart years ago John Terry got the message loud and clear during his case.

I hope that helps because I would hate to think you or any respected fellow fan couldn't enjoy watching Villa play next season because of John Terry for whatever reason. It wont embolden racists because the we and you wont let that happen.



Thanks for the reply Ciggies, your sentiments are appreciated.  I'm past the stage of being angry over it, doesn't make me glad it happened though.

As borne out by almost everyone on here, there is no room for racism or indeed discrimination of any kind in our lives.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: KevinGage on July 04, 2017, 01:30:25 PM
Can the moderators put some sort of filter on to prevent him being referred to as 'JT' please? I keep dry retching at the sight of it.

I would like to sign something to confirm my support for this proposal.

Thirded. 

Providing we call him Don Tutti Belafonte, or something equally befitting his stature.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: jeowje on July 04, 2017, 02:01:25 PM
He might be a massive racist, but he's our massive racist now.

So that's alright then ? :(

It was only a joke.

yeh right ...racism is hilarious

I hear you're a racist now Villa.

I have been going to Villa Park for over 30 years and can honestly only ever recall being in earshot of two racist incidents involving our fans.  The first was when one of our own supporters shouted "come on you black bastard" at Dion Dublin and the other was when.someone went into a rant at Swansea fans and included "f*cking pakis and blacks " in it for some reason.  Both times they were individuals who came out with it and both times our own fans around them confronted them about it.   The latter situation turned a bit nasty and the club got involved after some complaints. 

So to suggest there is a large extreme right wing element is a little wide if the mark in my experience.

Although this has been covered now really, just wanted to add my experience of this. I started standing (well sitting on the barriers with my dad holding me) on the Holte in about 1988 and I remember racism was rife and commonplace. Lots of people shouting "you black c**t!" and similar regularly- at both our own players and the opposition. We were certainly not talking about one off incidents here.

Even as a child, not fully understanding or aware of racism, I recognised that this was deeply unpleasant and it sort of hurt me, was one of the few bad memories of my early time watching villa.

But then I was quite a sensitive child- I also  remembered feeling upset and angry after hearing somebody shout "fu*ck off you useless string of p*ss!" at Ian Ormondroyd.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chris Jameson on July 04, 2017, 02:15:11 PM
As a useless string of piss myself I find that very hurtful, also true.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: papa lazarou on July 04, 2017, 02:15:47 PM
Can the moderators put some sort of filter on to prevent him being referred to as 'JT' please? I keep dry retching at the sight of it.

I would like to sign something to confirm my support for this proposal.

Thirded. 

Providing we call him Don Tutti Belafonte, or something equally befitting his stature.

The EFL should also be approached about changing the name of our club to John Terry's Aston Villa, as it will inevitably be described in the coming months.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: olaftab on July 04, 2017, 02:19:29 PM
The name will have to be "John Terry's Aston Villa as long as they don't play Chelsea"
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Pat McMahon on July 04, 2017, 02:24:14 PM
I love AVFC without any reservations. However, because I love Villa does not mean that I have to like every person who works for the club, or every player that plays for the club.


Moving on, from what I have seen and heard of JT today I thought he handled the media very well and did not come across as being "thick", which I did not expect.

Finally and completely irrelevant I have only ever met 2 Villa players as far as I can recall, and one was our family GP when I was a child growing up in Aldridge.

Your final comment intrigues me. We had a player who became a GP?

Sorry reply delayed by overnight sleep, but yes way back in time Villa had a GP player. He was Dr Victor Milne, a Scot, played centre half and was in the 1924 FA Cup Final team. Last amateur to play for the Villa I believe. When I was a boy I had an infected knee which became swollen and he did a house call to lance it and clean out the infection. So to this day I have a scar inflicted by a Villa player! On one of his house calls dad got him to autograph a copy of the Peter Morris history book - the original edition I think. Still got it. He later became club doctor and his surgery in Portland Road, Aldridge had photographs of Villa teams of his era dotted about the walls of the Waiting Room. Probably only got into the team because Tommy Ball, who was expected to be one of the greats, got into an argument an off duty policeman neighbour and was shot an killed by said copper. Ball had succeeded the somewhat notorious Frank Barson at centre half.

The other player I came across was John Robson who was a member of the same MS Society branch as my wife.

Great story NL!
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: berneboy on July 04, 2017, 02:32:00 PM
I see John Terry talks of Gary Cahill as a man-mountain of a captain, a real leader. If only ....
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: eamonn on July 04, 2017, 02:36:52 PM
Time for JT to bring Gaz ''home'' too.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Ad@m on July 04, 2017, 02:50:43 PM
I really hope we draw Chelsea in the cup and make him play!
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Allan C on July 04, 2017, 02:51:55 PM
I can't stand the bloke for all the reasons already stated. But additionally, we're paying a lot of money per week on wages for a player who clearly won't be able to appear in a substantial amount of games.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: darren woolley on July 04, 2017, 03:00:04 PM
I hope he does really well for Villa his experience for the other players will be vital if we are to challenge for promotion there's no place for racism in any walk of life I just want us to concentrate on the football this season and give us a chance to get back to the top.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on July 04, 2017, 03:06:22 PM
I can't stand the bloke for all the reasons already stated. But additionally, we're paying a lot of money per week on wages for a player who clearly won't be able to appear in a substantial amount of games.

Why not?  It's not clear at all, he may be just as likely to appear in the vast majority.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: manic-road on July 04, 2017, 03:19:03 PM
I can't stand the bloke for all the reasons already stated. But additionally, we're paying a lot of money per week on wages for a player who clearly won't be able to appear in a substantial amount of games.

Is he injured already?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: ColinMac on July 04, 2017, 04:22:34 PM
He might be a massive racist, but he's our massive racist now.

So that's alright then ? :(

It was only a joke.

yeh right ...racism is hilarious

I hear you're a racist now Villa.

I have been going to Villa Park for over 30 years and can honestly only ever recall being in earshot of two racist incidents involving our fans.  The first was when one of our own supporters shouted "come on you black bastard" at Dion Dublin and the other was when.someone went into a rant at Swansea fans and included "f*cking pakis and blacks " in it for some reason.  Both times they were individuals who came out with it and both times our own fans around them confronted them about it.   The latter situation turned a bit nasty and the club got involved after some complaints. 

So to suggest there is a large extreme right wing element is a little wide if the mark in my experience.

I don't know how old you are Tom but, I can assure you that in my time at the Villa racism was at times particularly nasty.  A couple of examples:

'N****r,N****r, lick my boots'.

'We believe in de Villa, whoa yea'.  Sung whilst raising the arms and shaking the hands a la minstrel style.

As for the bananas, well we won't bother going there.

No one around in those days to put a stop to it.  For someone like me and to be fair, many other people, it was disgusting, shameful and just so unnecessary.

I didn't want John Terry at the club and it's a waste of energy banging on about it but, if Terry gives credence to even thinking like that even though it was in the past, it leaves a sour taste in my mouth.

Also have memories of Justin Fashanu getting monkey chants at Villa Park at the start of the 80-81 season when he played for Norwich.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: class-of-82 on July 04, 2017, 04:33:13 PM
See my earlier post about the 10,00 villa fans at west brom when Regis Batson and Cunningham got pelted wth bananas and everyone in hysterics but none will own up being there and laughng
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: eamonn on July 04, 2017, 04:48:03 PM
Incidentially, there's a new film out about the tragic life of Justin Fashanu, documentary in the main - though it would make a worthwhile full biopic.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 04, 2017, 04:57:17 PM
See my earlier post about the 10,00 villa fans at west brom when Regis Batson and Cunningham got pelted wth bananas and everyone in hysterics but none will own up being there and laughng

Well for starters it won't have been all of them that were doing it, unless you were joining in there's one that wasn't. And secondly this isn't the site where folks like that tend to last long.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: class-of-82 on July 04, 2017, 05:00:15 PM
But. Bet it's the site where quite a few people had the Ron Atkinson book for Xmas
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: class-of-82 on July 04, 2017, 05:00:46 PM
Remind me again why he lost his job on tv
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 04, 2017, 05:02:38 PM
So were you joining in or not?

You were asking about something entirely different. And how am I meant to know what people got for Xmas? I'm pointing out what I do know that people with racist and bigoted views rarely last long on here.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Damo70 on July 04, 2017, 05:08:25 PM
Incidentially, there's a new film out about the tragic life of Justin Fashanu, documentary in the main - though it would make a worthwhile full biopic.

Isn't it his neice, John Fashanu's daughter who is behind it?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: class-of-82 on July 04, 2017, 05:14:38 PM
No I didn't throw bananas which happened to be a mob down by the corner flag I'm not a racist or a bigot
But did you get the Ron Atkinson book for Xmas ??
Did anyone on here ever laugh at the Alf garnett sitcom ???
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Matt Collins on July 04, 2017, 05:17:37 PM
I went to Leicester away in about 1995 and a very large proportion of the away fans were singing "you're the pride of Pakistan"

Not as bad as throwing bananas but pretty shameful
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 04, 2017, 05:17:47 PM
So we're agreed then, not everyone joined in, in fact it was probably a small minority of twats as most would have thought the same as you.

No. I didn't. Although even if I had read a book about him i'm not sure it proves anything. Unless you don't think we should read about anyone with unpleasant views?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Clampy on July 04, 2017, 05:19:35 PM
No I didn't throw bananas which happened to be a mob down by the corner flag I'm not a racist or a bigot
But did you get the Ron Atkinson book for Xmas ??
Did anyone on here ever laugh at the Alf garnett sitcom ???

I've got Big Ron's book. Now what's your point?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 04, 2017, 05:19:59 PM
I have no zero doubt there have been some right racist wankers in our support in the past, and may well still be. I've said before about how back in the 70s a good friend of mine got the shit kicked out of him in the Holte for being Asian. He wrote about it in an old issue of H&V.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: paul_e on July 04, 2017, 05:21:38 PM
No I didn't throw bananas which happened to be a mob down by the corner flag I'm not a racist or a bigot
But did you get the Ron Atkinson book for Xmas ??
Did anyone on here ever laugh at the Alf garnett sitcom ???


Firstly, I've fixed the last line.


Moving on, surely this discussion, and the apologist one yesterday and a few others on this thread, show that Whatever else Terry brings he does, by his previous actions, divide opinion and create arguments, I just hope those disagreements run their course soon and don't come back if he has a bad run, it makes for a fairly unpleasant feel to the forum.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: class-of-82 on July 04, 2017, 05:38:02 PM
Paul_e
Thanks for fixing the last line
PWS
Sorry if this got a bit heated but I am sick and tired of the stick jt is getting on here, I am proud he chose the club I Love over the stripey shite, Stoke Bournemouth  and scum etc and be honest who else would you want in your box when your 1-0 up and need a win for automatic promotion and your getting bombarded.
 
Also be honest guys Wayne bridges ex missus you would of wouldn't you
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Ad@m on July 04, 2017, 05:41:44 PM
Paul_e
Thanks for fixing the last line
PWS
Sorry if this got a bit heated but I am sick and tired of the stick jt is getting on here, I am proud he chose the club I Love over the stripey shite, Stoke Bournemouth  and scum etc and be honest who else would you want in your box when your 1-0 up and need a win for automatic promotion and your getting bombarded.
 
Also be honest guys Wayne bridges ex missus you would of wouldn't you

Sorry, but you're "proud" a player chose Aston Villa over all those fucking tin pot outfits you mentioned?  How low is your bar set?

And as for Wayne Bridge's missus - you may well have said that tongue-in-cheek but given the one thing which is pretty universally agreed upon as necessary to get out of this division is a good team spirit, having someone in the dressing room eyeing up everyone else's other halves isn't exactly straight out of the teambuilding strategy textbook.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: cheltenhamlion on July 04, 2017, 05:45:51 PM
Paul_e
Thanks for fixing the last line
PWS
Sorry if this got a bit heated but I am sick and tired of the stick jt is getting on here, I am proud he chose the club I Love over the stripey shite, Stoke Bournemouth  and scum etc and be honest who else would you want in your box when your 1-0 up and need a win for automatic promotion and your getting bombarded.
 
Also be honest guys Wayne bridges ex missus you would of wouldn't you

Christ on a bike, can someone make this shit stop.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: KevinGage on July 04, 2017, 05:49:08 PM
I'm sure he is big and ugly enough to cope with any stick he might be getting on an internet messageboard.

It won't be anything he hasn't heard before.

If he is feeling delicate, he's got 60,000+ reasons per week to tough it out.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Ad@m on July 04, 2017, 05:50:47 PM
I'm sure he is big and ugly enough to cope with any stick he might be getting on an internet messageboard.

I dunno.  In his interview yesterday he referenced the shit we've given him when he's been to Villa Park in the past more times than I cared to count so he's either a bit delicate on that front or holds a grudge!
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: class-of-82 on July 04, 2017, 05:55:03 PM
Cheltenhamlion
Christ on a bike ?
Only if it's a tandem with the prophet Mohammed on the back
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Drummond on July 04, 2017, 05:56:07 PM
I'm sure he is big and ugly enough to cope with any stick he might be getting on an internet messageboard.

I dunno.  In his interview yesterday he referenced the shit we've given him when he's been to Villa Park in the past more times than I cared to count so he's either a bit delicate on that front or holds a grudge!

Or he got fired up by it and tried harder and performed better.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: KevinGage on July 04, 2017, 05:57:02 PM
Aye.  He probably thinks Villa Park is a real bear pit, going by the atmosphere whenever we played that lot.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Ad@m on July 04, 2017, 05:58:00 PM
Aye.  He probably thinks Villa Park is a real bear pit, going by the atmosphere whenever we played that lot.


And our generally relatively positive record against Chelski for most of Terry's career.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: cheltenhamlion on July 04, 2017, 05:58:42 PM
I do hope we get them in the cup so Gerald Appleyard has to play against them.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: brian green on July 04, 2017, 06:45:40 PM
I think his intention is to get into management and we are a perfect stepping stone on that path.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Flamingo Lane on July 04, 2017, 06:54:43 PM

Also be honest guys Wayne bridges ex missus you would of wouldn't you

Would have.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on July 04, 2017, 07:00:27 PM

(http://thumb.ibb.co/k60ofF/19679072_834651943360054_1632493396329508278_o.jpg) (http://ibb.co/k60ofF)
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on July 04, 2017, 07:03:49 PM
That's not me by the way
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on July 04, 2017, 07:17:39 PM

(http://thumb.ibb.co/k60ofF/19679072_834651943360054_1632493396329508278_o.jpg) (http://ibb.co/k60ofF)

Bloody hell. Terry has really taken joining the club seriously. Fair play.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: cheltenhamlion on July 04, 2017, 07:18:20 PM
Admit it Phil, that's your forehead isn't it?!
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on July 04, 2017, 07:19:27 PM
Admit it Phil, that's your forehead isn't it?!

Oh you cheeky sod 🤣
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: cheltenhamlion on July 04, 2017, 07:22:24 PM
Fair enough. It isn't high enough.....
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: stuart445 on July 04, 2017, 08:56:56 PM
Paul_e
Thanks for fixing the last line
PWS
Sorry if this got a bit heated but I am sick and tired of the stick jt is getting on here, I am proud he chose the club I Love over the stripey shite, Stoke Bournemouth  and scum etc and be honest who else would you want in your box when your 1-0 up and need a win for automatic promotion and your getting bombarded.
 
Also be honest guys Wayne bridges ex missus you would of wouldn't you

How about we get players that will help us score more instead of a 36 year old defender so we aren't hanging on 1:0 at the end of the match
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Lastfootstamper on July 04, 2017, 09:15:02 PM
Paul_e
Thanks for fixing the last line
PWS
Sorry if this got a bit heated but I am sick and tired of the stick jt is getting on here, I am proud he chose the club I Love over the stripey shite, Stoke Bournemouth  and scum etc and be honest who else would you want in your box when your 1-0 up and need a win for automatic promotion and your getting bombarded.
 
Also be honest guys Wayne bridges ex missus you would of wouldn't you

How about we get players that will help us score more instead of a 36 year old defender so we aren't hanging on 1:0 at the end of the match

Stuart, can I introduce you to Steve. He's in management.
Steve, Stuart.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 04, 2017, 09:15:29 PM
I went to Leicester away in about 1995 and a very large proportion of the away fans were singing "you're the pride of Pakistan"

Not as bad as throwing bananas but pretty shameful

Exactly

Anyone who says they've only seen a couple of incidents of racism amongst our fans in *30 years* clearly didn't go to many matches in the early part of that period.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: four fornicholl on July 04, 2017, 09:19:02 PM
I went to Leicester away in about 1995 and a very large proportion of the away fans were singing "you're the pride of Pakistan"

Not as bad as throwing bananas but pretty shameful

Exactly

Anyone who says they've only seen a couple of incidents of racism amongst our fans in *30 years* clearly didn't go to many matches in the early part of that period.
I would add however, we were far less worse than most supporters, I heard horrendous stuff at a lot of grounds.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: b23 on July 04, 2017, 09:19:05 PM
Did anyone on here ever laugh at the Alf garnett sitcom ???

Me. I Did.

It was a latter day version of the Royle family.



Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Damo70 on July 04, 2017, 09:30:43 PM
The great thing about Alf Garnett was how it moved with the times. Till Death Do Us Part in the sixties and seventies was just racist. By the eighties and nineties In Sickness And In Health had combined racism and homophobia by including a gay black carer for Alf's Mrs. That is progress my friends.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 04, 2017, 09:31:33 PM
Cheltenhamlion
Christ on a bike ?
Only if it's a tandem with the prophet Mohammed on the back

What the fuck?!

Also, you do know that Alf Garnett was a parody, right? It's ok to laugh along because the character is an idiot. Just like it's ok to laugh at the gigantic wanker, John George Terry.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: four fornicholl on July 04, 2017, 09:36:44 PM
Cheltenhamlion
Christ on a bike ?
Only if it's a tandem with the prophet Mohammed on the back

What the fuck?!

Also, you do know that Alf Garnett was a parody, right? It's ok to laugh along because the character is an idiot. Just like it's ok to laugh at the gigantic wanker, John George Terry.
I hope nobody mentions Love Thy Neighbour, whoops. So glad we've moved on from that. But some of it was quite funny.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 04, 2017, 09:36:55 PM
I'm shocked that class-of-82 managed to miss the entire point of Till Death Us Do Part.

He seems something of an intellectual heavyweight.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Damo70 on July 04, 2017, 09:39:15 PM
Cheltenhamlion
Christ on a bike ?
Only if it's a tandem with the prophet Mohammed on the back

What the fuck?!

Also, you do know that Alf Garnett was a parody, right? It's ok to laugh along because the character is an idiot. Just like it's ok to laugh at the gigantic wanker, John George Terry.

I think it is only fair for Christ and Mohammed to take turns when it comes to who is at the front and who is at the back. Maybe a little fat Buddha could sit in a basket on the front. Although 'Doubting Thomas' would probably question the safety of that idea.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 04, 2017, 09:41:18 PM
Cheltenhamlion
Christ on a bike ?
Only if it's a tandem with the prophet Mohammed on the back

What the fuck?!

Also, you do know that Alf Garnett was a parody, right? It's ok to laugh along because the character is an idiot. Just like it's ok to laugh at the gigantic wanker, John George Terry.

I think it is only fair for Christ and Monammed to take turns when it comes to who is at the front and who is at the back. Maybe a little fat Buddha could sit in a basket on the front. Although 'Doubting Thomas' would probably question the safety of that idea.

Ah, sorry, I missed the Christ reference in my lefty lust to identify Islamophobia. Apologies all round.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: AV5nobs on July 04, 2017, 09:54:14 PM
Suppose it surpasses the bantamweight of intelligence illustrated by others.

JT will be a success I'm positively sure.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 04, 2017, 09:56:53 PM
Is there really nothing we can do about that 'JT' thing?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Pat McMahon on July 04, 2017, 10:05:39 PM
I went to Leicester away in about 1995 and a very large proportion of the away fans were singing "you're the pride of Pakistan"

Not as bad as throwing bananas but pretty shameful

Exactly

Anyone who says they've only seen a couple of incidents of racism amongst our fans in *30 years* clearly didn't go to many matches in the early part of that period.
I would add however, we were far less worse than most supporters, I heard horrendous stuff at a lot of grounds.

I have been going down since the late 60s and heard the chants thatDave Shelley mentioned above, though I remember this on the bus and not in the ground. And I do recall mates telling me of the banana throwing at the Albion in late 70s. Enough of em told me about it at school for it to sound true. I also remember a small group of blokes singing a song about Ivor Linton.

I can't say I ever heard large scale racist chanting at the Villa. I have definitely heard homophobic chanting - Upson being a notable target.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Lastfootstamper on July 04, 2017, 10:06:24 PM
Is there really nothing we can do about that 'JT' thing?

How's about we call it a "thang" instead? Then it'd be well kewl.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 04, 2017, 10:07:30 PM
Is there really nothing we can do about that 'JT' thing?

How's about we call it a "thang" instead? Then it'd be well kewl.

I think we need more muscle than that.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: LukeJames on July 04, 2017, 10:26:25 PM
I went to Leicester away in about 1995 and a very large proportion of the away fans were singing "you're the pride of Pakistan"

Not as bad as throwing bananas but pretty shameful

Exactly

Anyone who says they've only seen a couple of incidents of racism amongst our fans in *30 years* clearly didn't go to many matches in the early part of that period.
I would add however, we were far less worse than most supporters, I heard horrendous stuff at a lot of grounds.

I have been going down since the late 60s

Dedication.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on July 04, 2017, 10:26:39 PM
Is there really nothing we can do about that 'JT' thing?

How's about we call it a "thang" instead? Then it'd be well kewl.

I think we need more muscle than that.

"JT? What's it got to do with Jimmy Tarbuck?"

That's my muscular suggestion. (If I can be arsed) I'm going to respond to every post that refers to 'JT' with a deliberate misunderstanding, in the hope that it gets so bloody annoying people will call him by his full name to stop me doing it.

"JT? What's it got to do with Jake Thackeray?"
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 04, 2017, 10:29:00 PM
Is there really nothing we can do about that 'JT' thing?

How's about we call it a "thang" instead? Then it'd be well kewl.

I think we need more muscle than that.

"JT? What's it got to do with Jimmy Tarbuck?"

That's my muscular suggestion. (If I can be arsed) I'm going to respond to every post that refers to 'JT' with a deliberate misunderstanding, in the hope that it gets so bloody annoying people will call him by his full name to stop me doing it.

"JT? What's it got to do with Jake Thackeray?"

MON was a big fan of Jethro Tull.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: AV5nobs on July 04, 2017, 10:32:04 PM
JT 26 shouldn't be anywhere penalties if we end up in that scenario.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Lastfootstamper on July 04, 2017, 10:33:30 PM
Is there really nothing we can do about that 'JT' thing?

How's about we call it a "thang" instead? Then it'd be well kewl.

I think we need more muscle than that.

No point in asking you, then. Don't you own a beard? Not a hands dirty, wheel-changing beard, but one of them modern, cupcake eating beards?

And I swear, you mention feckin radiators.....
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on July 04, 2017, 10:34:04 PM
Is there really nothing we can do about that 'JT' thing?

How's about we call it a "thang" instead? Then it'd be well kewl.

I think we need more muscle than that.

"JT? What's it got to do with Jimmy Tarbuck?"

That's my muscular suggestion. (If I can be arsed) I'm going to respond to every post that refers to 'JT' with a deliberate misunderstanding, in the hope that it gets so bloody annoying people will call him by his full name to stop me doing it.

"JT? What's it got to do with Jake Thackeray?"

MON was a big fan of Jethro Tull.

Jethro Tull? What's it got to do with...bollocks, no, sorry, got over-excited.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Jimbo on July 04, 2017, 10:34:18 PM
Quick, for the love of God, change JT to Gerald Appleyard now and save us all.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on July 04, 2017, 10:36:05 PM
JT 26 shouldn't be anywhere penalties if we end up in that scenario.

JT? What's it got to do with John Travolta?

(Edit: just noticed the 26. You've got to be joking).

Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 04, 2017, 10:36:34 PM
I went to Leicester away in about 1995 and a very large proportion of the away fans were singing "you're the pride of Pakistan"

Not as bad as throwing bananas but pretty shameful

Exactly

Anyone who says they've only seen a couple of incidents of racism amongst our fans in *30 years* clearly didn't go to many matches in the early part of that period.

I can speak from experience that it's been very uncomfortable being an ethnic minority, personally one of Indian descent at Villa games home or away at times. But the 80's and 90's in England was difficult do there's no reason to think somehow Villa fans would have been much different in their racial tolerance to any other fan base around the country. The were representation of society in general. There's good and bad amongst all groups. Although I will say, having gone to Leicester University in the early 90's that was a tough place in the city on occasion.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 04, 2017, 10:38:46 PM
No idea why anyone thinks Justin Timberlake should be taking our penalties. Who suggested that?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 04, 2017, 10:40:51 PM
Is there really nothing we can do about that 'JT' thing?

How's about we call it a "thang" instead? Then it'd be well kewl.

I think we need more muscle than that.

No point in asking you, then. Don't you own a beard? Not a hands dirty, wheel-changing beard, but one of them modern, cupcake eating beards?

And I swear, you mention feckin radiators.....

Guilty. And if you ever need your pipes bleeding...
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: tony scott on July 04, 2017, 10:57:50 PM
Does anyone think, that now that John Terry has the 26 shirt, Jonathon K might be getting a move
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: AV5nobs on July 04, 2017, 11:02:50 PM
It's like the kids that are in trouble and curl up in a ball as so they can't be in trouble as long as they can't see the gown ups.

Jimmy Tarbuck isn't going anywhere gentlemen.

Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on July 04, 2017, 11:04:12 PM
Does anyone think, that now that John Terry has the 26 shirt, Jonathon K might be getting a move

NO
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 04, 2017, 11:04:48 PM
No. I doubt 26 has any significance to Kodjia. He only got it because he was a late acquisition in the transfer window last Summer. He was number 22 at Bristol City prior to signing for us. I'd imagine he'll inherit Ayew's number ten this season.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: chrisf on July 04, 2017, 11:07:50 PM
The great thing about Alf Garnett was how it moved with the times. Till Death Do Us Part in the sixties and seventies was just racist. By the eighties and nineties In Sickness And In Health had combined racism and homophobia by including a gay black carer for Alf's Mrs. That is progress my friends.
I recommend anyone interested in this comment just go on YouTube and make your own mind up as to whether TDDUP was or wasn't racist. My own view is that by airing obvious differences and teasing Alf Garnett's prejudices, it helped rather than hindered inter racial relations.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 04, 2017, 11:09:16 PM
I thought Jessica Tandy was dead, why does she keep getting a mention on here?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 04, 2017, 11:11:18 PM
That's England's Brave Jessica Tandy, to you.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: AV5nobs on July 04, 2017, 11:14:15 PM
John Terry aka JT, just gets more and more popular with every Alias associated.

His agent and marketing manager must be pissing themselves.?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 04, 2017, 11:14:59 PM
I'm chuffed we've signed Jennifer Tilly, we finally have a couple of big ones up front.

(http://i.imgur.com/NwrTv1v.jpg)
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on July 04, 2017, 11:15:52 PM
That's England's Brave Jessica Tandy, to you.

EBJT85RIP
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 04, 2017, 11:17:20 PM
Finally, I've seen a couple of things I like in this thread.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: AV5nobs on July 04, 2017, 11:18:51 PM
And both have usernames.

Big up JT
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 04, 2017, 11:20:02 PM
Finally, I've seen a couple of things I like in this thread.

The big question though, is she all-in, or nearly all-out?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 04, 2017, 11:21:42 PM
Sorry, I got distracted. What were we talking about?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 04, 2017, 11:25:49 PM
Sorry, I got distracted. What were we talking about?

Liquor in the front, poker in the rear.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 04, 2017, 11:28:35 PM
Well, now I've only gone and got distracted again...
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: saunders_heroes on July 04, 2017, 11:33:57 PM
The great thing about Alf Garnett was how it moved with the times. Till Death Do Us Part in the sixties and seventies was just racist. By the eighties and nineties In Sickness And In Health had combined racism and homophobia by including a gay black carer for Alf's Mrs. That is progress my friends.

I remember a black mate at school saying to me he knew the show was actually mocking the racist rather than the black person they were insulting but he still hated it because all it did was give the same racists even more insults to throw in his direction.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 04, 2017, 11:39:05 PM
I think that's fair. Unfortunately, the writers overestimated the intelligence of a large proportion of their audience.

For all those that nodded knowingly at the racist terminology, having understood that it was an attempt at the mockery of such prejudice, there were probably at least as many people who laughed at Garnett's bigoted outbursts because they agreed with them.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Axl Rose on July 04, 2017, 11:46:20 PM
John Terry aka JT, just gets more and more popular with every Alias associated.

His agent and marketing manager must be pissing themselves.?

What's a JT? I'm confused again.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 04, 2017, 11:49:17 PM
JT in a Villa shirt

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/db/04/c2/db04c208b1fce1a0c722691872611792.jpg)
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Nev on July 04, 2017, 11:53:59 PM
Al Murray's pub landlord reminded me of Alf Garnett. The very people it was meant to parody became it's greatest fans, too stupid to see the joke.

Anyway, I've saved this John Terry story until now.

I think it was the last away game of the season at Stamford Bridge during Taylor's second spell. The away fans were down by the dugouts for a spell, right on top of the pitch, we won 3-1 and Peter Crouch scored. Me and my mate gave John Terry boat loads of stick during the match but as he left the pitch he made a point of coming over and acknowledging us and applauding. Fair fucks I thought at the time, and this was before some of his more famous misdemeanours.

Having said that, I still don't want him at the club, mainly because I think he will be failure from a football point of view. I might have had a bit of grudging respect on that gloriously sunny day in West London but he's turned into a right twat.

Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: murfee on July 04, 2017, 11:58:06 PM
sexist apologists to page 91 please  :D :D
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on July 05, 2017, 02:50:38 AM
I will say it makes a nice change to see the press pretty much universally saying signing him is a coup for us.

Maybe Bruce knows what he is doing. I hope so anyway.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Brend'Watkins on July 05, 2017, 08:32:26 AM
That's England's Brave Jessica Tandy, to you.

EBJT85RIP

I forgot all about the England's brave JT, must be because he hasn't played for England for ages. I just hope he becomes Villa's Brave JT but knowing the media and how they portray us it will be something less complimentary.

Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: dave shelley on July 05, 2017, 08:39:17 AM
Jesus T Christ!  Enough.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Matt Collins on July 05, 2017, 10:34:51 AM
I think that's fair. Unfortunately, the writers overestimated the intelligence of a large proportion of their audience.

For all those that nodded knowingly at the racist terminology, having understood that it was an attempt at the mockery of such prejudice, there were probably at least as many people who laughed at Garnett's bigoted outbursts because they agreed with them.

Yep - a bit similar to the veneration of Michael Douglas' character in Wall Street
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: olaftab on July 05, 2017, 10:44:52 AM
I think that's fair. Unfortunately, the writers overestimated the intelligence of a large proportion of their audience.

For all those that nodded knowingly at the racist terminology, having understood that it was an attempt at the mockery of such prejudice, there were probably at least as many people who laughed at Garnett's bigoted outbursts because they agreed with them.
Thank you for saving my fingers...well one finger :)
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Drummond on July 05, 2017, 02:13:35 PM
I'm chuffed we've signed Jennifer Tilly, we finally have a couple of big ones up front.

(http://i.imgur.com/NwrTv1v.jpg)

Only because we've moved on a page and nobody has mentioned how heavy we are up-front.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Rico on July 05, 2017, 02:31:09 PM
Whilst eavesdropping on a conversation at my chippy in Manchester, I overheard two chaps talking about John Terry. One said that he had heard that Terry had signed for some club that play in claret and blue. The other said Burnley! Hopefully the signing of Terry will help raise our profile.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Damo70 on July 05, 2017, 02:31:14 PM
I'm chuffed we've signed Jennifer Tilly, we finally have a couple of big ones up front.

(http://i.imgur.com/NwrTv1v.jpg)

Only because we've moved on a page and nobody has mentioned how heavy we are up-front.


I like the caption that says 'Tilly All In'. Although it also says 34%. God knows whatg it looks like when she goes 100% all in.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 05, 2017, 02:32:20 PM
Whilst eavesdropping on a conversation at my chippy in Manchester, I overheard two chaps talking about John Terry. One said that he had heard that Terry had signed for some club that play in claret and blue. The other said Burnley! Hopefully the signing of Terry will help raise our profile.

Our profile is fine. We can't be held responsible if the Mancs in your local chippy are a bit thick!
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Damo70 on July 05, 2017, 02:35:04 PM
Whilst eavesdropping on a conversation at my chippy in Manchester, I overheard two chaps talking about John Terry. One said that he had heard that Terry had signed for some club that play in claret and blue. The other said Burnley! Hopefully the signing of Terry will help raise our profile.

Our profile is fine. We can't be held responsible if the Mancs in your local chippy are a bit thick!


Paul Hawksby and Andy Jacobs will shortly be talking to the Villa fan who got the John Terry tattoo on Talksport.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: shaw thing on July 05, 2017, 02:39:11 PM
I think that's fair. Unfortunately, the writers overestimated the intelligence of a large proportion of their audience.

For all those that nodded knowingly at the racist terminology, having understood that it was an attempt at the mockery of such prejudice, there were probably at least as many people who laughed at Garnett's bigoted outbursts because they agreed with them.

Yep - a bit similar to the veneration of Michael Douglas' character in Wall Street
Some days I have empathy with Douglas in Falling Down
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: UK Redsox on July 05, 2017, 02:41:43 PM
Is Steve Bloomfield on H&V ?

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jul/05/aston-villa-fan-boycott-john-terry-racist-past
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: gpbarr on July 05, 2017, 03:10:09 PM
Is Steve Bloomfield on H&V ?

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jul/05/aston-villa-fan-boycott-john-terry-racist-past

Sorry but that is utter drivel! Where was Steve when our young Jack was behaving like a twat, commiting offences that would have got him sacked in any real job. And what about the fact Villa, like most clubs back in the 60s and 70s, were institutionally rascist - was it ok then, just not now? Signing JT does not make Villa, Bruce, Wyness, Xia, or our fans rascist - but perhaps if he is on H&V, he can explain his boundaries for what is acceptable and what is not acceptable from any Villa employee to cause one to boycott the entire club?

Silly nonsense. 
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Damo70 on July 05, 2017, 03:13:10 PM
I think that's fair. Unfortunately, the writers overestimated the intelligence of a large proportion of their audience.

For all those that nodded knowingly at the racist terminology, having understood that it was an attempt at the mockery of such prejudice, there were probably at least as many people who laughed at Garnett's bigoted outbursts because they agreed with them.

Yep - a bit similar to the veneration of Michael Douglas' character in Wall Street
Some days I have empathy with Douglas in Falling Down


Most days I have empathy with Douglas in Falling Down.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on July 05, 2017, 03:15:51 PM
I'm chuffed we've signed Jennifer Tilly, we finally have a couple of big ones up front.

(http://i.imgur.com/NwrTv1v.jpg)

Only because we've moved on a page and nobody has mentioned how heavy we are up-front.


I like the caption that says 'Tilly All In'. Although it also says 34%. God knows whatg it looks like when she goes 100% all in.

Just like John I hope she keeps her mouth shut.

*won't make sense if you've never heard her voice. Which is niche.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 05, 2017, 03:20:17 PM
Fair play to him. I wish I had the strength of my convictions, but I'll be going next season, as ever.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 05, 2017, 03:24:22 PM
It is his decision to make.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: stuart445 on July 05, 2017, 03:44:27 PM
Is Steve Bloomfield on H&V ?

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jul/05/aston-villa-fan-boycott-john-terry-racist-past

Sorry but that is utter drivel! Where was Steve when our young Jack was behaving like a twat, commiting offences that would have got him sacked in any real job. And what about the fact Villa, like most clubs back in the 60s and 70s, were institutionally rascist - was it ok then, just not now? Signing JT does not make Villa, Bruce, Wyness, Xia, or our fans rascist - but perhaps if he is on H&V, he can explain his boundaries for what is acceptable and what is not acceptable from any Villa employee to cause one to boycott the entire club?

Silly nonsense. 

What offences would have got Jack sacked in any real job?  as far as I can tell nothing he's done would have caused me to be sacked from my job.  Whereas what John Terry did would have definitely got me the sack (a former colleague got the sack a few months back for it)  and the chances of me of getting another job would be extremely slim as the majority of companies wouldn't employ you with that on your record,  so people saying how long should he be paying for what he did my response to that is the same as what any of us would be. 

I don't like Terry in fact I despise him but my main reservation to this signing is that it's pointless we had a solid defence last season we didn't concede many goals but we didn't score many goals.  So even if this works we'll be going from a defence that didn't concede many goals to a defence that doesn't concede many goals but it'll be the same problem as last season where we don't score enough.  We need creativity in midfield so we can properly use the forwards we spent so much on.  But all we've done is not solve the problem we had last season but have spent a large amount of our budget.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: tom jennings III on July 05, 2017, 04:03:31 PM
Thought long and hard about this and I'm coming down on the more positive side. Let's look at the facts:
1. Massive bellend - who isn't in football these days? I don't actually know the guy personally so prepared to be wrong on that one and if not then fine, the Championship is not a "oooh love me" contest.
2. Was a very good player in his pomp.
3. His pomp has now passed so the only pertinent question here is does he make us a better team and will his presence in the squad help us get out of this bloody hell-hole of a division (versus anywhere else the cash could have been spent of course). Only time will tell but i'm prepared to be hopeful he's more of a Ronny Johnson that a Joleon Lescott.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Virgil Caine on July 05, 2017, 07:21:05 PM
(http://thumb.ibb.co/fyFjpa/Terry_Training_Main_Pic8.jpg) (http://ibb.co/fyFjpa)

image ru (http://imgbb.com/)

Although unclear on this photo- on the OS site you can clearly see that the water bottle is Jordan Lydens - add petty larceny to the list of misdemeanors by this ne'er do well.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Gerrin on July 05, 2017, 07:58:24 PM
Is Steve Bloomfield on H&V ?

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jul/05/aston-villa-fan-boycott-john-terry-racist-past

Sorry but that is utter drivel! Where was Steve when our young Jack was behaving like a twat, commiting offences that would have got him sacked in any real job. And what about the fact Villa, like most clubs back in the 60s and 70s, were institutionally rascist - was it ok then, just not now? Signing JT does not make Villa, Bruce, Wyness, Xia, or our fans rascist - but perhaps if he is on H&V, he can explain his boundaries for what is acceptable and what is not acceptable from any Villa employee to cause one to boycott the entire club?

Silly nonsense. 

Totally agree with you. Reading through some of the comments on the article they say similar things. If the author felt so strongly about racism he would never have started going to matches in the 80s, like he says. Most footballers are overpaid arseholes but they're not going to stop me supporting Villa.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: TonyD on July 05, 2017, 09:37:45 PM
Welcome to AVFC  Mr Terry. 

Stay fit,  play as many games as possible,  and above all,  make the team/ fans believe again that we are going to win matches.    Every match!!!!! 
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: AV5nobs on July 05, 2017, 09:39:14 PM
Whilst eavesdropping on a conversation at my chippy in Manchester, I overheard two chaps talking about John Terry. One said that he had heard that Terry had signed for some club that play in claret and blue. The other said Burnley! Hopefully the signing of Terry will help raise our profile.

Our profile is fine. We can't be held responsible if the Mancs in your local chippy are a bit thick!

Agreed.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Ads on July 05, 2017, 10:02:01 PM
He's not that bad a singer.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 05, 2017, 10:23:12 PM
Is Steve Bloomfield on H&V ?

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jul/05/aston-villa-fan-boycott-john-terry-racist-past

Could be wrong but sure I saw his name under some of the articles in the fanzine years back.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 05, 2017, 10:33:21 PM
Is Steve Bloomfield on H&V ?

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jul/05/aston-villa-fan-boycott-john-terry-racist-past

Could be wrong but sure I saw his name under some of the articles in the fanzine years back.

If it was, I've forgotten about them.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: wittonwarrior on July 05, 2017, 10:55:46 PM
You can't just withdraw  your support over a player.  I suggest that Steve Bloomfield be propelled in a time capsule back to the 70's - if John Terry causes him such an emotion the Villa support giving it loads to Cyril Regis would have thrown him into orbit.

John Terry may not be the nicest or brightest of fellas but he is still potentially one hell of a player. And besides who are we to judge and jury on an individual we only know through the media




Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: olaftab on July 05, 2017, 10:59:02 PM
I would say Terry is quite bright if he has managed to get a contract worth £3 Million a year from us for playing possibly about a dozen games.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: wittonwarrior on July 05, 2017, 11:07:04 PM
I would say Terry is quite bright if he has managed to get a contract worth £3 Million a year from us for playing possibly about a dozen games.

good point
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 05, 2017, 11:08:44 PM
People can withdraw their support for whatever reason they want. In the same way as people can turn up in full John Terry Chelsea kit and mask etc if they want to.

It doesn't mean boycotting the club stops them supporting Villa, it means they don't feel comfortable putting money into the club while Terry is employed by the club, or for any other reason they feel is appropriate for them. Seems weird to me that some folks just can't respect that things like that are right for some people.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: gpbarr on July 05, 2017, 11:24:54 PM
People can withdraw their support for whatever reason they want. In the same way as people can turn up in full John Terry Chelsea kit and mask etc if they want to.

It doesn't mean boycotting the club stops them supporting Villa, it means they don't feel comfortable putting money into the club while Terry is employed by the club, or for any other reason they feel is appropriate for them. Seems weird to me that some folks just can't respect that things like that are right for some people.

They can, my issue is with the way he did it - he went public (unlike most of us who trade opinions but then see the broader picture) and therefore deserves the reaction (good and bad) he's getting. You cant have it one way when you want it, and the not the other when you don't.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 05, 2017, 11:32:01 PM
So you have an issue because he publicly stated he wasn't going, not because he isn't going?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: AV5nobs on July 05, 2017, 11:32:23 PM
People can withdraw their support for whatever reason they want. In the same way as people can turn up in full John Terry Chelsea kit and mask etc if they want to.

It doesn't mean boycotting the club stops them supporting Villa, it means they don't feel comfortable putting money into the club while Terry is employed by the club, or for any other reason they feel is appropriate for them. Seems weird to me that some folks just can't respect that things like that are right for some people.

They can, my issue is with the way he did it - he went public (unlike most of us who trade opinions but then see the broader picture) and therefore deserves the reaction (good and bad) he's getting. You cant have it one way when you want it, and the not the other when you don't.

This.

Well said.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on July 06, 2017, 12:01:42 AM
People can withdraw their support for whatever reason they want. In the same way as people can turn up in full John Terry Chelsea kit and mask etc if they want to.

It doesn't mean boycotting the club stops them supporting Villa, it means they don't feel comfortable putting money into the club while Terry is employed by the club, or for any other reason they feel is appropriate for them. Seems weird to me that some folks just can't respect that things like that are right for some people.

I did wonder how I was going to be received. Glad you are all going to be supportive.

Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 06, 2017, 12:05:42 AM
The entire business of football is wrapped up in hypocrisy.

Some people will opt not to support a team with John Terry in it, some people will put up with it, some people will give lip service to protesting it.

The vast majority of us will just carry on as normal, because that's how football works.

I hate paying for shirking fuckwits picking up 50k a week whilst nurses earn much less than that a year.

I can't stand the forelock tugging to credit card billionaires or wealthy products of a restrictive undemocratic state like China, and I don't like having anything to do with the bombastic bullshit machine which is the premier league.

I loathe the reduction of football from being about winning things to being about finishing top four because that's where the television money is.

I hate all that shit, but I put up with, and the reason i do is because the whole sport is awash with fucking hypocrisy, and I am just as bad as the next man.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: anton hillman on July 06, 2017, 12:28:22 AM
AVFC are no longer a serious football club having signed this arsehole. After over fifty years of supporting the Villa I now feel like giving up.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: gpbarr on July 06, 2017, 12:28:41 AM
So you have an issue because he publicly stated he wasn't going, not because he isn't going?

I thought I was clear the first time, but happy to try again. He can do whatever he wants, as we all can. But I reacted because he put it in the public domain - so he fully deserves the roasting many are giving him.

Perhaps we should all start writing to the newspapers expressing every opinion we think matters about our Club.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on July 06, 2017, 12:33:50 AM
So you have an issue because he publicly stated he wasn't going, not because he isn't going?

I thought I was clear the first time, but happy to try again. He can do whatever he wants, as we all can. But I reacted because he put it in the public domain - so he fully deserves the roasting many are giving him.

Perhaps we should all start writing to the newspapers expressing every opinion we think matters about our Club.

Why does he deserve a roasting? He's not comfortable with this issue, and his reservations are legitimate and shared by many; why can't people respect that?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 06, 2017, 12:45:44 AM
So you have an issue because he publicly stated he wasn't going, not because he isn't going?

I thought I was clear the first time, but happy to try again. He can do whatever he wants, as we all can. But I reacted because he put it in the public domain - so he fully deserves the roasting many are giving him.

Perhaps we should all start writing to the newspapers expressing every opinion we think matters about our Club.

I asked as your original post was purely criticising his opinion, and now it's because it was online so I was asking which it is.

Just as we put our opinions here, he did his in an opinion section of a newspaper website. Which has over 3K of pages of opinions. Would you be as bothered if he'd written about buying a ST because we signed Terry?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 06, 2017, 12:49:19 AM
So you have an issue because he publicly stated he wasn't going, not because he isn't going?

I thought I was clear the first time, but happy to try again. He can do whatever he wants, as we all can. But I reacted because he put it in the public domain - so he fully deserves the roasting many are giving him.

Perhaps we should all start writing to the newspapers expressing every opinion we think matters about our Club.

Why does he deserve a roasting? He's not comfortable with this issue, and his reservations are legitimate and shared by many; why can't people respect that?

It's what I don't get, I made my views clear and yet haven't felt the need to criticise anyone whose views are different. Whether they say it on here or wherever.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: TheTimVilla on July 06, 2017, 01:06:12 AM
Is Steve Bloomfield on H&V ?

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jul/05/aston-villa-fan-boycott-john-terry-racist-past

I don't get the chance to say this often enough but I was the match mascot for the Liverpool game he mentions. 10th September 1988. For a fee, Colinmac will pm you the back of the programme!

As you were.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Goldie.7 on July 06, 2017, 04:26:32 AM
Fitting song choice ;)

Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: passitsideways on July 06, 2017, 05:00:43 AM
Didn't Cleverley sing that as well?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Damo70 on July 06, 2017, 05:41:31 AM
Is Steve Bloomfield on H&V ?

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jul/05/aston-villa-fan-boycott-john-terry-racist-past

I don't get the chance to say this often enough but I was the match mascot for the Liverpool game he mentions. 10th September 1988. For a fee, Colinmac will pm you the back of the programme!

As you were.


Wasn't that the game when some previously unknown player called Andy Comyn suddenly appeared in a Villa shirt?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: itbrvilla on July 06, 2017, 07:10:45 AM
AVFC are no longer a serious football club having signed this arsehole. After over fifty years of supporting the Villa I now feel like giving up.
We've not been a serious football club for a while.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: AV5nobs on July 06, 2017, 07:12:32 AM
Fitting song choice ;)



Fair play JT, great choice of song, seemed to really enjoy it.

Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: ldavfc4eva on July 06, 2017, 07:20:12 AM
Sounds like all the boys are singing it with him, good sign already.

Hope he stays fit, leads by example and gets us back up this season.

Welcome JT
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 06, 2017, 08:03:24 AM
I mentioned earlier that I thought he was passed it.  On reflection if I looked like that when I was 36 I wouldn't have felt too shabby about it.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Jimbo on July 06, 2017, 08:24:01 AM
AVFC are no longer a serious football club having signed this arsehole. After over fifty years of supporting the Villa I now feel like giving up.
We've not been a serious football club for a while.

Quite. It's as if completely giving up halfway through the season before last was perfectly normal behaviour for a football club, whereas signing a very high-profile and talented player that might help us get out of the shit league we find ourselves in because of that behaviour is somehow perverse.

As for the "I'm not supporting Villa any more" lot, they remind me of the "I'm leaving Twitter/H&V" dolts. Really, you can just go. You don't need to announce it and flounce off to the sound of trumpets in a puff of smoke. The truth is nobody will miss you, whatever your reasons are for bailing.

Paulie was right above. If you're comitted to upholding high moral standards across the board, football isn't your game.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on July 06, 2017, 08:38:25 AM

Perhaps we should all start writing to the newspapers expressing every opinion we think matters about our Club.

We used to. It was called the letters page in the Argus and it was like a slow motion version of this site but where arguments and exchanges were played out over weeks instead of minutes. I miss it.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: brian green on July 06, 2017, 08:42:44 AM
We all need role models and I have the utmost respect for those who believe there is more to supporting a club than the weekly scoreline.  And yes I have bought my ST and I will be at games all next season.  If Terry plays well and makes a difference I shall applaud him.  Sing his name?  You will have a long wait.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: FarEastVilla on July 06, 2017, 09:22:05 AM
The entire business of football is wrapped up in hypocrisy.

Some people will opt not to support a team with John Terry in it, some people will put up with it, some people will give lip service to protesting it.

The vast majority of us will just carry on as normal, because that's how football works.

I hate paying for shirking fuckwits picking up 50k a week whilst nurses earn much less than that a year.

I can't stand the forelock tugging to credit card billionaires or wealthy products of a restrictive undemocratic state like China, and I don't like having anything to do with the bombastic bullshit machine which is the premier league.

I loathe the reduction of football from being about winning things to being about finishing top four because that's where the television money is.

I hate all that shit, but I put up with, and the reason i do is because the whole sport is awash with fucking hypocrisy, and I am just as bad as the next man.

Verry well said - we are are all one way or another part of the problem,  and the reason being because of our loyalty to our clubs - damned if you do damned if you dont. I like to think my club is not all about trophy hunting and silverware but also has a certain philosophy and class that makes me proud to support it and not just for the silverware.

 
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 06, 2017, 09:34:34 AM
Most athletes live their own bubble. Footballers very much so. While they hear things ultimately they get to a point of it being white noise around them. It has to be that way. They have to be thick skinned. Terry's job, and I can only assume he will be captain is now to galvanize the squad and lead us to promotion. Nothing else really matters and certainly not what fans may think of him as a person. If we play well, most supporters will ignore his past as a Chelsea player and simply show up and get behind the team. And those who stay away on principle will be replaced by those who essentially don't care.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: kieron on July 06, 2017, 09:37:46 AM
I like to think my club is not all about trophy hunting and silverware

Probably just as well.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Brend'Watkins on July 06, 2017, 09:46:48 AM
AVFC are no longer a serious football club having signed this arsehole. After over fifty years of supporting the Villa I now feel like giving up.
We've not been a serious football club for a while.

As for the "I'm not supporting Villa any more" lot, they remind me of the "I'm leaving Twitter/H&V" dolts. Really, you can just go. You don't need to announce it and flounce off to the sound of trumpets in a puff of smoke. The truth is nobody will miss you, whatever your reasons are for bailing.

Exactly.  We have it every year, people announcing their melodramatic departures from something they reputedly once loved.  This season it's the signing of John Terry, last season it was games moved to different dates and times, season before it was relegation, season before that not signing the likes of John Terry or what ever.  If you're going to stop supporting the club fine.  Please no song and dance about it, just slip out the back, no one will notice either way or care for that matter.

When I read these departure posts I always imagine someone recently divorced because their partner left drawers open or left towels on the floor.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Jimbo on July 06, 2017, 09:56:02 AM
Well it certainly hasn't been all about silverware, not for a generation in any case.

We all have different ideas of what Aston Villa represents in our heads, but the idea that there's some philosophy underpinning the club is a bit fanciful. We're a business. We sell tracksuit tops for £100 and shit beer for the best part of a fiver. We don't play to a set code. There isn't a 'Villa way'. We're not Corinthian FC. If you want to compete with the rest of the pack, you have to be as good as them and at least as bad. 

Our deep attachment to the club is sewn into our very identities, but the corporate machine has unpicked that thread and spun it into something quite unrecognisable from the Villa of my childhood fantasies. I don't look to Villa for role models any more. Does anyone, seriously? But if you no longer want to support the club it's a personal thing, and you're entitled to exercise your right.

Corruption and immorality is ingrained in football as it is in society. The grand wide streets and fine buildings of our capital are built largely on the proceeds of imperialism, slavery, exploitation and empire. Do we boycott London? If we were all dedicated exemplars of morality and righteousness, we'd never step foot outside the house.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: B38 Villa on July 06, 2017, 10:06:35 AM
AVFC are no longer a serious football club having signed this arsehole. After over fifty years of supporting the Villa I now feel like giving up.

Bye then
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 06, 2017, 10:21:29 AM
AVFC are no longer a serious football club having signed this arsehole. After over fifty years of supporting the Villa I now feel like giving up.

This is what I don't understand. I know that I said everyone's line in the sand is different, but in the past fifty years football-wise we've been relegated three times and almost gone down on numerous other occasions. We've suffered record defeats and worst-ever humiliations. We've had a string of deadbeats and piss takers on the books. When it comes to morality we've had a woman-beater, numerous drink-drivers, drug addicts and assorted hell-raisers. We had a chairman who pissed on the memory of the man who gave us our greatest achievement and our last two owners have made their fortunes in less than ethically-pure circumstances. We've taken money from gambling firms, sweatshop owners and trophy hunters.

And somehow, signing one of the biggest names in English football, the biggest name this league has had since it adopted its current ridiculous and commerce-orientated name, means we can't be taken seriously anymore?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on July 06, 2017, 10:29:50 AM
AVFC are no longer a serious football club having signed this arsehole. After over fifty years of supporting the Villa I now feel like giving up.

This is what I don't understand. I know that I said everyone's line in the sand is different, but in the past fifty years football-wise we've been relegated three times and almost gone down on numerous other occasions. We've suffered record defeats and worst-ever humiliations. We've had a string of deadbeats and piss takers on the books. When it comes to morality we've had a woman-beater, numerous drink-drivers, drug addicts and assorted hell-raisers. We had a chairman who pissed on the memory of the man who gave us our greatest achievement and our last two owners have made their fortunes in less than ethically-pure circumstances. We've taken money from gambling firms, sweatshop owners and trophy hunters.

And somehow, signing one of the biggest names in English football, the biggest name this league has had since it adopted its current ridiculous and commerce-orientated name, means we can't be taken seriously anymore?
Wot Dave said.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Nev on July 06, 2017, 10:31:59 AM
AVFC are no longer a serious football club having signed this arsehole. After over fifty years of supporting the Villa I now feel like giving up.

This is what I don't understand. I know that I said everyone's line in the sand is different, but in the past fifty years football-wise we've been relegated three times and almost gone down on numerous other occasions. We've suffered record defeats and worst-ever humiliations. We've had a string of deadbeats and piss takers on the books. When it comes to morality we've had a woman-beater, numerous drink-drivers, drug addicts and assorted hell-raisers. We had a chairman who pissed on the memory of the man who gave us our greatest achievement and our last two owners have made their fortunes in less than ethically-pure circumstances. We've taken money from gambling firms, sweatshop owners and trophy hunters.

And somehow, signing one of the biggest names in English football, the biggest name this league has had since it adopted its current ridiculous and commerce-orientated name, means we can't be taken seriously anymore?

I think it's tied in with the desire to over react to every little thing. To paraphrase our little friend from the other side of the city every time something happens in football that he doesn't like "the game's gone". Celebrity Twitter flounce offs, no platforming and knee jerk boycotts and resignations come from a world where people only see black and white, where if you don't actively support something you are automatically assumed to be against it.

It reminds me of the need to demonstrate how upset you are, that you are offering your condolences following a catastrophic event or some such rather than doing it quietly and with dignity, the "Princess Di, bunch of flowers on the pavement" type thing.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: garyshawsknee on July 06, 2017, 10:53:01 AM
I'll never be a Terry fan, but signing Richardson, Cole and Senderos a few summers ago was far more serious and alarming in my eyes.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: paul_e on July 06, 2017, 11:13:10 AM
Well it certainly hasn't been all about silverware, not for a generation in any case.

We all have different ideas of what Aston Villa represents in our heads, but the idea that there's some philosophy underpinning the club is a bit fanciful. We're a business. We sell tracksuit tops for £100 and shit beer for the best part of a fiver. We don't play to a set code. There isn't a 'Villa way'. We're not Corinthian FC. If you want to compete with the rest of the pack, you have to be as good as them and at least as bad. 

Our deep attachment to the club is sewn into our very identities, but the corporate machine has unpicked that thread and spun it into something quite unrecognisable from the Villa of my childhood fantasies. I don't look to Villa for role models any more. Does anyone, seriously? But if you no longer want to support the club it's a personal thing, and you're entitled to exercise your right.

Corruption and immorality is ingrained in football as it is in society. The grand wide streets and fine buildings of our capital are built largely on the proceeds of imperialism, slavery, exploitation and empire. Do we boycott London? If we were all dedicated exemplars of morality and righteousness, we'd never step foot outside the house.

The bold bit just isn't true.  There is very much a Villa way, in the same way that every club has certain things that are core to them.

The Villa way is, unfortunately, to play ourselves down.  We sign Terry (admittedly a big name for this league) and some fans are acting as if he's the biggest name ever.  We get linked with Joe Hart and most fans reaction is 'why would he come here?'

That same reaction holds true regardless of where we are at the time.  When we were pushing around the top 4 and you had people thinking Wesley Sneijder was far too big a name for us.Have we ever signed a genuine international superstar, despite being one of the biggest clubs in the biggest league in the world (until recently) I honestly can't think of us ever picking up a genuinely top player at his peak, we got people on the way up or down a few times and we've signed a few that are a step or 2 down the ladder but never the really top players.  This is something I've said before, we're comfortably the biggest club in this league but last summer and in January instead of getting players who were too good for the league we got players who were used to it and went back to our normal mode of operation of picking up the better players from the clubs below us.

It's an extension of the Birmingham way, we know we're big but we don't want people to pay too much attention to us so we play it down but then get pissed off when tinpot shithouses like Tottenham Hotspur or Manchester get talked up as if they're more important than we are.

If Xia really wants to make the club into a champion league super club then the biggest task he has is to change that mentality.  As much as I've been opposed to signing Terry (because of his age alone) he's the right type of signing at least and is an indication that we're looking in the right direction, Hart would be another nod that way, Whelan, not so much.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 06, 2017, 11:16:27 AM
Well it certainly hasn't been all about silverware, not for a generation in any case.

We all have different ideas of what Aston Villa represents in our heads, but the idea that there's some philosophy underpinning the club is a bit fanciful. We're a business. We sell tracksuit tops for £100 and shit beer for the best part of a fiver. We don't play to a set code. There isn't a 'Villa way'. We're not Corinthian FC. If you want to compete with the rest of the pack, you have to be as good as them and at least as bad. 

Our deep attachment to the club is sewn into our very identities, but the corporate machine has unpicked that thread and spun it into something quite unrecognisable from the Villa of my childhood fantasies. I don't look to Villa for role models any more. Does anyone, seriously? But if you no longer want to support the club it's a personal thing, and you're entitled to exercise your right.

Corruption and immorality is ingrained in football as it is in society. The grand wide streets and fine buildings of our capital are built largely on the proceeds of imperialism, slavery, exploitation and empire. Do we boycott London? If we were all dedicated exemplars of morality and righteousness, we'd never step foot outside the house.

The bold bit just isn't true.  There is very much a Villa way, in the same way that every club has certain things that are core to them.

The Villa way is, unfortunately, to play ourselves down.  We sign Terry (admittedly a big name for this league) and some fans are acting as if he's the biggest name ever.  We get linked with Joe Hart and most fans reaction is 'why would he come here?'

That same reaction holds true regardless of where we are at the time.  When we were pushing around the top 4 and you had people thinking Wesley Sneijder was far too big a name for us.Have we ever signed a genuine international superstar, despite being one of the biggest clubs in the biggest league in the world (until recently) I honestly can't think of us ever picking up a genuinely top player at his peak, we got people on the way up or down a few times and we've signed a few that are a step or 2 down the ladder but never the really top players.  This is something I've said before, we're comfortably the biggest club in this league but last summer and in January instead of getting players who were too good for the league we got players who were used to it and went back to our normal mode of operation of picking up the better players from the clubs below us.

It's an extension of the Birmingham way, we know we're big but we don't want people to pay too much attention to us so we play it down but then get pissed off when tinpot shithouses like Tottenham Hotspur or Manchester get talked up as if they're more important than we are.

If Xia really wants to make the club into a champion league super club then the biggest task he has is to change that mentality.  As much as I've been opposed to signing Terry (because of his age alone) he's the right type of signing at least and is an indication that we're looking in the right direction, Hart would be another nod that way, Whelan, not so much.

I agree with much of that, but I don't think anyone is saying that Terry is anything other than a short-term fix. He'll be the biggest name in the league but nowhere near the biggest we've had even in the past decade.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Damo70 on July 06, 2017, 11:21:32 AM
I think the only time we have consistently acted like a heavyweight football club was under BFR. Perhaps to a lesser extent under Little and Gregory.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: paul_e on July 06, 2017, 11:24:08 AM
I agree with much of that, but I don't think anyone is saying that Terry is anything other than a short-term fix. He'll be the biggest name in the league but nowhere near the biggest we've had even in the past decade.

Absolutely, my point was specifically about the 'villa way' comment, there is a way and it's one of the fundamental things that we need to change because it's a way which won't work for us to get to where Xia wants to be.  It's also, in my opinion, the thing that Lerner never properly addressed even when things were going well.

The bit where I've said some fans see him as the biggest name ever wasn't really about people on here because I don't think many people have been like that, I'm more thinking of comments I've seen on social media where people seem to think we've signed a 28 year old world player of the year contender.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: paul_e on July 06, 2017, 11:25:31 AM
I think the only time we have consistently acted like a heavyweight football club was under BFR. Perhaps to a lesser extent under Little and Gregory.

I don't think we did under the latter 2 but I agree we hinted towards it under BFR but were held back by Ellis at the time.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 06, 2017, 11:31:22 AM
I've always said we treat the big time as though we don't belong there. Atkinson said that the hardest part at Villa was persuading us that we could win things, John Gregory talked about trying to crack the mentality that it 'must' go wrong at some point. Looking back, I think that BFR tried to do the job but we were still a bit star-struck. It was only when Little and Gregory came along that we briefly acted like we belonged.

Then when Lerner arrived there was serious discussion on here about whether Thierry Henry was still good enough for us, but that's probably best forgotten now.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Jimbo on July 06, 2017, 11:35:46 AM
I meant 'Villa way' in terms of a philosophy, not as a pervading attitude. Something like that's been with us a long, long time. On one hand we talk about our illustrious history and traditions and impeccable standing in the game, on the other we meekly accept defeat and failure to the point of surrender.

It might have something to do with the wider Birmingham attitude. We like to think we're the second city of the 5th largest economy in the world, but almost never act like it.   
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: paul_e on July 06, 2017, 11:44:04 AM
I meant 'Villa way' in terms of a philosophy, not as a pervading attitude. Something like that's been with us a long, long time. On one hand we talk about our illustrious history and traditions and impeccable standing in the game, on the other we meekly accept defeat and failure to the point of surrender.

It might have something to do with the wider Birmingham attitude. We like to think we're the second city of the 5th largest economy in the world, but almost never act like it.   

I don't think you can split the 2.  The attitude is clear and that creates the philosophy which is to stick to an even keel, never upset anyone, never over reach (any hint of doing so is 'doing a leeds') but also not become 'small time' by acting like the smaller clubs.  Anything that disturbs the calm leads to over-reactions.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: The Edge on July 06, 2017, 12:03:29 PM
Didn't Cleverley sing that as well?
Well if he didn't sing it as well as Terry he must have been fucking awful
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: boozey182 on July 06, 2017, 12:25:10 PM
On the boycott front, I think I would be much more likely to go through with one (and I admit to threatening it when we were linked to Terry, before weakly backing down when faced with the reality of what it would mean), if I thought it would make any difference. But the fact is, it won't. I, for one, admire the man who wrote the article, and at least by publicising it, he has a chance of it making an impact. What's the use of making a point if you don't tell anyone? It's utterly meaningless. And to give up something you love, surely you would have to feel like you were working towards a greater good?

The problem is though, fans of any club don't have one identity. There is only one thing that you can guarantee they have in common; that they support their team. They all have different backgrounds, are from different races, different classes, have different political beliefs and lifestyles, so to get a serious number of them to passionately get behind any cause (certainly enough to boycott matches) is virtually impossible. The reality is we're much more likely to all come together, not over racism or any 'values', but because someone trying is change the colours of the kit or something (relatively) mundane like that.

And that is precisely why football clubs (and the industry) have the most loyal fans over a barrel. We'll turn up whatever. It's both depressing and impressive.

I have to also add that the whole debate over Terry has been (speaking objectively and as a member of the 'losing' side) fascinating. Particularly on this site where people from pretty much all points of view have made eloquent and thought provoking points. A credit to the club.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: tomd2103 on July 06, 2017, 01:25:48 PM
On the boycott front, I think I would be much more likely to go through with one (and I admit to threatening it when we were linked to Terry, before weakly backing down when faced with the reality of what it would mean), if I thought it would make any difference. But the fact is, it won't. I, for one, admire the man who wrote the article, and at least by publicising it, he has a chance of it making an impact. What's the use of making a point if you don't tell anyone? It's utterly meaningless. And to give up something you love, surely you would have to feel like you were working towards a greater good?

And that is precisely why football clubs (and the industry) have the most loyal fans over a barrel. We'll turn up whatever. It's both depressing and impressive.


Agree, but has the time for discussing a boycott now passed?  I can see merit in threatening a boycott in the hope of preventing something happening, but once it has happened then isn't it a different situation?  I accept that the person who wrote that article has his own views and he feels strongly enough to stop watching us, but he doesn't make clear in the article what he hopes boycotting will achieve.  Is he hoping that by boycotting games, Terry won't be picked in the side? 

I guess it comes down to a personal choice and although I would have preferred John Terry not to have signed for us, he has and barring injury he is going to be playing in our colours.         
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 06, 2017, 01:34:51 PM
Following a sports team isn't like dating a girl you just met. You can't just walk away because you dislike something however much you think you can. You might threaten it. You might even avoid it for a bit but it is so ingrained in your life that it will suck you back in. And if Terry's arrival churns your stomach but he helps to win games, we get promoted and then leaves you'll forget he ever existed.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 06, 2017, 01:37:54 PM
I'd imagine the majority that are boycotting are doing so knowing it won't change anything, so it's not to achieve anything apart from doing what they feel is right for them.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 06, 2017, 01:40:52 PM
Following a sports team isn't like dating a girl you just met. You can't just walk away because you dislike something however much you think you can. You might threaten it. You might even avoid it for a bit but it is so ingrained in your life that it will suck you back in. And if Terry's arrival churns your stomach but he helps to win games, we get promoted and then leaves you'll forget he ever existed.

Of course you can walk away. Thousands already have.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: paul_e on July 06, 2017, 01:49:56 PM
Following a sports team isn't like dating a girl you just met. You can't just walk away because you dislike something however much you think you can. You might threaten it. You might even avoid it for a bit but it is so ingrained in your life that it will suck you back in. And if Terry's arrival churns your stomach but he helps to win games, we get promoted and then leaves you'll forget he ever existed.

Of course you can walk away. Thousands already have.

Following and actively attending are different things, walking away from a season ticket and/or merchandising is easy enough, stopping caring about results is much harder.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 06, 2017, 01:52:37 PM
Following a sports team isn't like dating a girl you just met. You can't just walk away because you dislike something however much you think you can. You might threaten it. You might even avoid it for a bit but it is so ingrained in your life that it will suck you back in. And if Terry's arrival churns your stomach but he helps to win games, we get promoted and then leaves you'll forget he ever existed.

Of course you can walk away. Thousands already have.

Walking away, means precisely that. I don't mean not buying a ticket or a new shirt when it comes out. I mean stopping caring altogether. Never talking about Villa, never looking for the score, taking up another hobby. It's not that easy given that many people will have their social circles built around it.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: boozey182 on July 06, 2017, 01:58:47 PM
On the boycott front, I think I would be much more likely to go through with one (and I admit to threatening it when we were linked to Terry, before weakly backing down when faced with the reality of what it would mean), if I thought it would make any difference. But the fact is, it won't. I, for one, admire the man who wrote the article, and at least by publicising it, he has a chance of it making an impact. What's the use of making a point if you don't tell anyone? It's utterly meaningless. And to give up something you love, surely you would have to feel like you were working towards a greater good?

And that is precisely why football clubs (and the industry) have the most loyal fans over a barrel. We'll turn up whatever. It's both depressing and impressive.


Agree, but has the time for discussing a boycott now passed?  I can see merit in threatening a boycott in the hope of preventing something happening, but once it has happened then isn't it a different situation?  I accept that the person who wrote that article has his own views and he feels strongly enough to stop watching us, but he doesn't make clear in the article what he hopes boycotting will achieve.  Is he hoping that by boycotting games, Terry won't be picked in the side? 

I guess it comes down to a personal choice and although I would have preferred John Terry not to have signed for us, he has and barring injury he is going to be playing in our colours.         

That's fair. I can't speak for that guy, but maybe he feels the battle is lost, but the war could still be won. Maybe if clubs saw that fans did actually go through with their threats, then they might have to consider the impact of that in the future. As it is, you get people like me that threaten it and then ultimately relent, which they don't have to ever worry about. So I admire him for it.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: darren woolley on July 06, 2017, 02:02:20 PM
I'd imagine the majority that are boycotting are doing so knowing it won't change anything, so it's not to achieve anything apart from doing what they feel is right for them.

This
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Pat McMahon on July 06, 2017, 02:04:14 PM
Following a sports team isn't like dating a girl you just met. You can't just walk away because you dislike something however much you think you can. You might threaten it. You might even avoid it for a bit but it is so ingrained in your life that it will suck you back in. And if Terry's arrival churns your stomach but he helps to win games, we get promoted and then leaves you'll forget he ever existed.

If he helps us achieve all of that i most certainly won't forget he ever existed :)
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 06, 2017, 02:06:25 PM
Following a sports team isn't like dating a girl you just met. You can't just walk away because you dislike something however much you think you can. You might threaten it. You might even avoid it for a bit but it is so ingrained in your life that it will suck you back in. And if Terry's arrival churns your stomach but he helps to win games, we get promoted and then leaves you'll forget he ever existed.

Of course you can walk away. Thousands already have.

Walking away, means precisely that. I don't mean not buying a ticket or a new shirt when it comes out. I mean stopping caring altogether. Never talking about Villa, never looking for the score, taking up another hobby. It's not that easy given that many people will have their social circles built around it.

You mean it would be difficult for you. It probably would be for me, too. Not everyone though. I've known plenty of people who have been regular attendees at Villa (or down the road) who lose all interest and couldn't tell you if or who their team are playing on a weekly basis.

You've stayed that "you can't just walk away". Lots of people do, all the time.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 06, 2017, 02:09:40 PM
Even when we had money coming out of our ears when Lerner arrived, we were still happy to sign James Collins and Richard Dunne (good players in their own right) rather than say a Lescott who at the time was valued at over £20m - I know he turned into a prick but I am just citing him as an example of the supermarket we were shopping in even in them days.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 06, 2017, 02:11:02 PM
Plenty of people protest and boycott clubs, doesn't mean they stop talking about the club or following results etc.

There's also plenty that have turned their backs on their club for one reason or another as CD says. Non league support is full of folks that have turned their backs on their 'proper' club.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 06, 2017, 02:30:29 PM
Following a sports team isn't like dating a girl you just met. You can't just walk away because you dislike something however much you think you can. You might threaten it. You might even avoid it for a bit but it is so ingrained in your life that it will suck you back in. And if Terry's arrival churns your stomach but he helps to win games, we get promoted and then leaves you'll forget he ever existed.

Of course you can walk away. Thousands already have.

Walking away, means precisely that. I don't mean not buying a ticket or a new shirt when it comes out. I mean stopping caring altogether. Never talking about Villa, never looking for the score, taking up another hobby. It's not that easy given that many people will have their social circles built around it.

You mean it would be difficult for you. It probably would be for me, too. Not everyone though. I've known plenty of people who have been regular attendees at Villa (or down the road) who lose all interest and couldn't tell you if or who their team are playing on a weekly basis.

You've stayed that "you can't just walk away". Lots of people do, all the time.

And they never look at Villa results again, or talk about the club with friends? Something that they might have done previously for 20 years. You have to have some resolve to completely detach yourself from something you were so passionate about.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Lucky Eddie on July 06, 2017, 03:07:45 PM
Some people of a certain age are just looking for a reason 'never to step foot in the place again'.

Our owner, our Manager and now Terry - truth is you just don't love the Villa like you did when you were younger.

Football as you knew it has gone - never to return, adapt or get yourself an allotment, but stop looking for a scapegoat.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 06, 2017, 03:21:44 PM
Following a sports team isn't like dating a girl you just met. You can't just walk away because you dislike something however much you think you can. You might threaten it. You might even avoid it for a bit but it is so ingrained in your life that it will suck you back in. And if Terry's arrival churns your stomach but he helps to win games, we get promoted and then leaves you'll forget he ever existed.

Of course you can walk away. Thousands already have.

Walking away, means precisely that. I don't mean not buying a ticket or a new shirt when it comes out. I mean stopping caring altogether. Never talking about Villa, never looking for the score, taking up another hobby. It's not that easy given that many people will have their social circles built around it.

You mean it would be difficult for you. It probably would be for me, too. Not everyone though. I've known plenty of people who have been regular attendees at Villa (or down the road) who lose all interest and couldn't tell you if or who their team are playing on a weekly basis.

You've stayed that "you can't just walk away". Lots of people do, all the time.

And they never look at Villa results again, or talk about the club with friends? Something that they might have done previously for 20 years. You have to have some resolve to completely detach yourself from something you were so passionate about.

I'd imagine the author will check results and discuss it with his friends, if it gets brought up, he just won't be a Villa fan, as he said.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 06, 2017, 03:31:36 PM
Some people of a certain age are just looking for a reason 'never to step foot in the place again'.

Our owner, our Manager and now Terry - truth is you just don't love the Villa like you did when you were younger.

Football as you knew it has gone - never to return, adapt or get yourself an allotment, but stop looking for a scapegoat.

Or maybe they just don't like Terry. Or in the case of Blackpool, Oyston. Or Worcester, Lee Hughes. And so on.

Surprises me how so many people don't respect someone else's views and feel to rubbish them, even though that person's views have zero impact on anyone that is rubbishing them.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: tomd2103 on July 06, 2017, 03:45:24 PM
I'd imagine the majority that are boycotting are doing so knowing it won't change anything, so it's not to achieve anything apart from doing what they feel is right for them.

Which is fair enough.  What he didn't say in the piece though was whether he boycotted or stopped watching England games when Terry was in the side. 
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 06, 2017, 03:51:05 PM
Does it really matter? Why can't folks just say something like "that choice isn't for me and I disagree with it, but I respect your/their choice" instead of trying to pick holes in it? I really don't get why so many don't seem to want to do that.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chris Jameson on July 06, 2017, 04:12:02 PM
I've said before that if it wasn't for my son I doubt I would go to any matches. He's asked if he can have a season ticket for Harrogate Town next season, whilst I always enjoy our days out at Villa Park if we do go next season I'll try to coincide it with Terry being injured or suspended, really don't like the thought of him in a Villa shirt.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 06, 2017, 04:12:55 PM
Pick our FA Cup, I doubt he'll be playing in that.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: AV5nobs on July 06, 2017, 04:25:16 PM
Are we not invited to the 3rd round this season ?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: tomd2103 on July 06, 2017, 04:29:36 PM
Does it really matter? Why can't folks just say something like "that choice isn't for me and I disagree with it, but I respect your/their choice" instead of trying to pick holes in it? I really don't get why so many don't seem to want to do that.

I respect his choice, but it is a personal choice that he's put out there in the public domain, so it is only natural that people are going to 'pick holes in it' isn't it?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 06, 2017, 05:04:15 PM
But why does it matter to you if he did or didn't watch an England game with Terry in it, especially as he isn't here to answer that as far as I know. It has zero impact on you, me or any of us whether he or anyone else that he is boycotting. Maybe his boycott is to do with giving the club money and it going towards Terry, but he'll be happy if we win, or happy to watch a game on TV. There's no set rules on what someone feels is right for them. Just respect they want to do their thing and carry on doing what is right for you regarding Villa.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Edvard Remberg on July 06, 2017, 05:08:52 PM
People can withdraw their support for whatever reason they want. In the same way as people can turn up in full John Terry Chelsea kit and mask etc if they want to.

It doesn't mean boycotting the club stops them supporting Villa, it means they don't feel comfortable putting money into the club while Terry is employed by the club, or for any other reason they feel is appropriate for them. Seems weird to me that some folks just can't respect that things like that are right for some people.

Stu? ;)
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 06, 2017, 05:10:26 PM
None left sale, CD bought them all!
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Des Little on July 06, 2017, 05:19:18 PM
I fully appreciate everyone has a view, and is entitled to boycott/support it as they wish - it's a free country.  However, I do hope that at some point between now and August we can get on with supporting Terry (for those that want to) but more importantly the team as a whole rather than keep going over old ground. It really is a massive season ahead.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: jwarry on July 06, 2017, 05:22:30 PM
I fully appreciate everyone has a view, and is entitled to boycott/support it as they wish - it's a free country.  However, I do hope that at some point between now and August we can get on with supporting Terry (for those that want to) but more importantly the team as a whole rather than keep going over old ground. It really is a massive season ahead.

Well said Des
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 06, 2017, 05:27:13 PM
I'd hope that anyone doing any kind of boycott still wants us to piss the league.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: tomd2103 on July 06, 2017, 05:39:39 PM
But why does it matter to you if he did or didn't watch an England game with Terry in it, especially as he isn't here to answer that as far as I know. It has zero impact on you, me or any of us whether he or anyone else that he is boycotting. Maybe his boycott is to do with giving the club money and it going towards Terry, but he'll be happy if we win, or happy to watch a game on TV. There's no set rules on what someone feels is right for them. Just respect they want to do their thing and carry on doing what is right for you regarding Villa.

I would just find it a bit hypocritical if he followed England when Terry played but then boycotts us, that is all.  As you say though, it has zero impact on anyone else and everyone is free to carry on as they please. 
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: peter w on July 06, 2017, 05:46:00 PM
Does it really matter? Why can't folks just say something like "that choice isn't for me and I disagree with it, but I respect your/their choice" instead of trying to pick holes in it? I really don't get why so many don't seem to want to do that.

It's something you do quite regularly, as do others, on lots of different issues across many different threads so not sure what your point is here. Its part and parcel of a discussion forum.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Ad@m on July 06, 2017, 05:48:03 PM
Does it really matter? Why can't folks just say something like "that choice isn't for me and I disagree with it, but I respect your/their choice" instead of trying to pick holes in it? I really don't get why so many don't seem to want to do that.

It's something you do quite regularly, as do others, on lots of different issues across many different threads so not sure what your point is here. Its part and parcel of a discussion forum.

Exactly.  If you don't like reading people commenting on stuff other people have said or done then a discussion forum's probably not the place for you.  And if we restricted comments on here to only things which have a direct impact on the poster it'd be a very quiet place.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 06, 2017, 05:50:30 PM
Does it really matter? Why can't folks just say something like "that choice isn't for me and I disagree with it, but I respect your/their choice" instead of trying to pick holes in it? I really don't get why so many don't seem to want to do that.

It's something you do quite regularly, as do others, on lots of different issues across many different threads so not sure what your point is here. Its part and parcel of a discussion forum.

I debate with people on here, I don't tell them they are wrong for what they choose to do with their lives or how they should support the Villa. And there's a difference between debating a point, and just criticising someone for their choice of going to games, or not.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: cheltenhamlion on July 06, 2017, 05:59:24 PM
People can withdraw their support for whatever reason they want. In the same way as people can turn up in full John Terry Chelsea kit and mask etc if they want to.

It doesn't mean boycotting the club stops them supporting Villa, it means they don't feel comfortable putting money into the club while Terry is employed by the club, or for any other reason they feel is appropriate for them. Seems weird to me that some folks just can't respect that things like that are right for some people.

Stu? ;)

Oh. My rather stupid Facebook deal. A man cannot welch out on a bet so I will go through with it. If he plays 30 games, and we get promoted, I will ditch my dignity for the last home game and wear a shirt with Terry and 26 on the back of it.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 06, 2017, 06:01:36 PM
Don't forget the Terry mask and inflatable blow up doll wearing a 'Bridge' shirt!
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: cheltenhamlion on July 06, 2017, 06:04:11 PM
It would be like the photos of Damon doing fancy dress at a wedding when nobody else did. I can imagine now my poor little face as I was ridiculed. All bloody day.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: peter w on July 06, 2017, 06:06:01 PM
Does it really matter? Why can't folks just say something like "that choice isn't for me and I disagree with it, but I respect your/their choice" instead of trying to pick holes in it? I really don't get why so many don't seem to want to do that.

It's something you do quite regularly, as do others, on lots of different issues across many different threads so not sure what your point is here. Its part and parcel of a discussion forum.

I debate with people on here, I don't tell them they are wrong for what they choose to do with their lives or how they should support the Villa. And there's a difference between debating a point, and just criticising someone for their choice of going to games, or not.

but that's what you are doing. And more power to you. It's a discussion board after all.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: The Charmer on July 06, 2017, 06:06:49 PM
I like to think my club is not all about trophy hunting and silverware

Probably just as well.

I have to say that, in the midst of all the soul-searching and angst that this topic has generated, I love the one-liners like this one from Kieron.
Perfect throwaway riposte to the previous comment and made me chuckle.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 06, 2017, 06:10:02 PM
Does it really matter? Why can't folks just say something like "that choice isn't for me and I disagree with it, but I respect your/their choice" instead of trying to pick holes in it? I really don't get why so many don't seem to want to do that.

It's something you do quite regularly, as do others, on lots of different issues across many different threads so not sure what your point is here. Its part and parcel of a discussion forum.

I debate with people on here, I don't tell them they are wrong for what they choose to do with their lives or how they should support the Villa. And there's a difference between debating a point, and just criticising someone for their choice of going to games, or not.

but that's what you are doing. And more power to you. It's a discussion board after all.

I'm asking a few folks to show a bit more respect to other people's choices. I'm not saying they are wrong for disagreeing with those choices or anything.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: eamonn on July 06, 2017, 06:37:35 PM
Nearly at page 100 and he still hasn't signed, FFS! If only...
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on July 06, 2017, 07:09:58 PM
I like to think my club is not all about trophy hunting and silverware

Probably just as well.

I have to say that, in the midst of all the soul-searching and angst that this topic has generated, I love the one-liners like this one from Kieron.
Perfect throwaway riposte to the previous comment and made me chuckle.

Got a chuckle out of me as well.

Aston Villa, no place for glory hunters.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Mister E on July 06, 2017, 07:17:01 PM
I've said before that if it wasn't for my son I doubt I would go to any matches. He's asked if he can have a season ticket for Harrogate Town next season, whilst I always enjoy our days out at Villa Park if we do go next season I'll try to coincide it with Terry being injured or suspended, really don't like the thought of him in a Villa shirt.
Harrogate Town would be a good bet if they had a half-decent manager ....
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 06, 2017, 07:27:59 PM
I've said before that if it wasn't for my son I doubt I would go to any matches. He's asked if he can have a season ticket for Harrogate Town next season, whilst I always enjoy our days out at Villa Park if we do go next season I'll try to coincide it with Terry being injured or suspended, really don't like the thought of him in a Villa shirt.
Harrogate Town would be a good bet if they had a half-decent manager ....

So would the Villa..
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 06, 2017, 07:43:39 PM
I've said before that if it wasn't for my son I doubt I would go to any matches. He's asked if he can have a season ticket for Harrogate Town next season, whilst I always enjoy our days out at Villa Park if we do go next season I'll try to coincide it with Terry being injured or suspended, really don't like the thought of him in a Villa shirt.
Harrogate Town would be a good bet if they had a half-decent manager ....

So would the Villa..

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Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on July 06, 2017, 07:48:00 PM
God damn, some quality zingers today.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: dave shelley on July 06, 2017, 07:59:08 PM
An open goal if ever there was one.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on July 06, 2017, 08:05:46 PM
Back heeled it in though.  :)
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: brentastonb6 on July 06, 2017, 10:25:28 PM
 
I think the only time we have consistently acted like a heavyweight football club was under BFR. Perhaps to a lesser extent under Little and Gregory.

That is spot on . The last time we looked like a heavyweight IMO, 1997, we'd just finished 4th the year before , won the league cup at a canter , and were unjustly robbed of a crack at the FA cup by losing 3-0 to Liverpool in a controversial semi, Gareth Southgate being off the pitch when they scored their first goal and the score line not reflecting the game . We signed what many of us thought was a final piece in the jigsaw in Stan Collymore for a club record £7m from Liverpool. We had a fantastic kit , the away one looking like Lazio in style , horizontal Claret , blue and white stripes. We played the great unwashed at the Sty in a pre season friendly and such was the expectation this side of the City we packed out the old railway end and were given the paddock lower tier of their main stand- not surprisingly they were on the down and we probably outnumbered them. Unfortunately Collymore was injured, the game as I recall was a dire 0-0 and the rest was downhill. Not like the 1977 version where fourth place led to us building towards the success we enjoyed in the early 80's. I pray that all the forces conspire to bring those days to us again at some stage in my life and if not mine then my Children's . UTV  :)
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 06, 2017, 10:32:32 PM
Collymore signed after the 96/97 season, 95/96 was 4th and the cup semi. We'd still finished a 'disappointing' 5th though.

'Fun' fact, that is the only time we have finished top 5 in consecutive seasons since the early 30's.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: brentastonb6 on July 06, 2017, 10:48:32 PM
Collymore signed after the 96/97 season, 95/96 was 4th and the cup semi. We'd still finished a 'disappointing' 5th though.

'Fun' fact, that is the only time we have finished top 5 in consecutive seasons since the early 30's.
isn't that what I said ? Win cup in 1996, thought we signed Stanley  that summer so 1996-97 season ?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 06, 2017, 10:52:45 PM
it reads as if we'd finished 4th etc in 96/97, well it does to me anyway. Maybe i'm just tired.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: b23 on July 06, 2017, 10:56:03 PM
 £55 for a haircut !!   :o

http://www.belgraviacentre.com/blog/footballer-john-terry-spends-145000-on-haircuts/

He won't be spending much on Hutton, Bjarnason, Lansbury or Agbonlahor.

Amavi, Tshibola and Grealish are going to cost him a fortune though !!

Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: eamonn on July 06, 2017, 11:53:34 PM
According to Pravda, on this day in 1984, while I was in my mother's tummy, Big Ron turned us down to stay with Manyew.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Allan C on July 07, 2017, 01:59:06 AM
I can't stand the bloke for all the reasons already stated. But additionally, we're paying a lot of money per week on wages for a player who clearly won't be able to appear in a substantial amount of games.

Why not?  It's not clear at all, he may be just as likely to appear in the vast majority.
You think at 36 he's gonna manage Saturday/Tuesday/Saturday/Tuesday week in week out???
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on July 07, 2017, 02:40:34 AM
I can't stand the bloke for all the reasons already stated. But additionally, we're paying a lot of money per week on wages for a player who clearly won't be able to appear in a substantial amount of games.

Why not?  It's not clear at all, he may be just as likely to appear in the vast majority.
You think at 36 he's gonna manage Saturday/Tuesday/Saturday/Tuesday week in week out???

Not that unheard of for a defender to play regularly at 36. Barzagli played 39 games last season for Juve. Didnt the west brom player mcauly or something play most games in the premier league last season? Judging by their table position he did alright.

Assuming he is over last seasons injury I dont see why Terry couldnt play most games with us if his performance is good enough for Bruce.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 07, 2017, 03:12:53 AM
It's possible he'll be fine, personally I think it's more likely he'll play less than 30 league games as a starter. Which even ignoring his baggage is why I wouldn't have signed him. He may even have spells were he has to come off the bench.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Hillbilly on July 07, 2017, 06:32:24 AM
It's not unusual in Italy for defenders to play at the highest level into their late 30s - Baresi, Bergomi, Costacurta, Maldini, Cannavaro. That said, Terry is nowhere near that class of player.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Damo70 on July 07, 2017, 08:09:24 AM
According to Pravda, on this day in 1984, while I was in my mother's tummy, Big Ron turned us down to stay with Manyew.


If I remember correctly he was in the papers for having an extra marital affair with the woman who became his second wife. Doug took the opportunity to offer him a get out by moving to Villa. We ended up with Graham Turner.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: The Edge on July 07, 2017, 08:25:26 AM
It's not unusual in Italy for defenders to play at the highest level into their late 30s - Baresi, Bergomi, Costacurta, Maldini, Cannavaro. That said, Terry is nowhere near that class of player.
That's some list of great defenders including my favourite of all time Gianfranco Baresi. Terry is nowhere near that standard but will be the best defender in the league next season. All about how many games he plays I reckon.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 07, 2017, 08:58:01 AM
Look S'rAlex has now weighed in and said he would've signed Terry if he had still been at Manure.  Now given his sage advice about hiring one of our most successful managers of the last 7 years that's good enough for me.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Matt Collins on July 07, 2017, 10:14:14 AM
It's a bit like saying he'd have bought Steven gerrard tho isn't it. Of course he would, he was one of the best centre backs in Europe
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on July 07, 2017, 10:16:52 AM
It's a bit like saying he'd have bought Steven gerrard tho isn't it. Of course he would, he was one of the best centre backs in Europe

Nonsense. I reckon I'm a better centre half than Gerrard
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: darren woolley on July 07, 2017, 10:34:24 AM
I still think he will do a good job for us and hopefully be fully fit all season.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: London Villan on July 07, 2017, 12:40:36 PM
Will he be able to play more than half of our games?

2015/16 he played 24 league games
2016/17 he played 9 league games
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Pete3206 on July 07, 2017, 12:41:33 PM
Will he be able to play more than half of our games?

Yes
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 07, 2017, 12:47:44 PM
Collymore signed after the 96/97 season, 95/96 was 4th and the cup semi. We'd still finished a 'disappointing' 5th though.

'Fun' fact, that is the only time we have finished top 5 in consecutive seasons since the early 30's.
isn't that what I said ? Win cup in 1996, thought we signed Stanley  that summer so 1996-97 season ?

Yes, travelling to Leicester away for the opening day of the 97-98 season was the last time I felt proper confident as a Villa fan, that we were going to challenge for the league, and we were a big deal. We lost 1-0, Collymore was crap and all the pre match optimism looked like folly. We lost the next few, Collymore fell out with Savo, the morale ebbed away and by the following Feb, Little was gone and we were well into the lower half. Gregory got us back on track but then when Yorke left that summer the game was up. We felt like an also ran.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Nelly on July 07, 2017, 01:31:23 PM
We have been ever since, I think.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Duncan Shaw on July 07, 2017, 01:36:00 PM
We have been ever since, I think.

i think we had a spell under MON where we looked like more than that....poor decisions at critical times stopped us making the final step, as is well documented on here.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Dave on July 07, 2017, 02:04:23 PM
It's not unusual in Italy for defenders to play at the highest level into their late 30s - Baresi, Bergomi, Costacurta, Maldini, Cannavaro. That said, Terry is nowhere near that class of player.
That's some list of great defenders including my favourite of all time Gianfranco Baresi.

That's not his name. He's Franchino Baresi, shortened to Franco.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Hopadop on July 07, 2017, 02:17:28 PM
We have been ever since, I think.

i think we had a spell under MON where we looked like more than that....poor decisions at critical times stopped us making the final step, as is well documented on here.

Poor decisions undoubtedly, but I reckon all teams make those. I suspect it was a combination of Lerner's lack of savvy, divorce, the stock market crash (so Gordon Brown, obvs) and Man City. I don't think he was ever rich enough to properly transform us.

But you're right - I remember seeing the first Nike kits in the big Oxford St store, alongside Arsenal and Barcelona. It was heady for a time.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: paul_e on July 07, 2017, 02:38:00 PM
Mon had 2 problems.

He couldn't find a decent striker to offer an alternative to Gabby and Carew  If you look at how he spent the money he was given the spending on defence and midfield was totally out of line with the lack of spending up front and it showed, we were defensively sound but just didn't have the options up front if Gabby and Carew weren't doing it and neither of them was quite good enough to turn games on their own.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: itbrvilla on July 07, 2017, 02:43:33 PM
We have been ever since, I think.

i think we had a spell under MON where we looked like more than that....poor decisions at critical times stopped us making the final step, as is well documented on here.
We looked like a team spunking money on shite and achieving less than others with less resources.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 07, 2017, 04:00:41 PM
He bought two brand new defences two seasons running didn't he?  Including paying £4m for Zat Knight, three months after he could have got him on a Bosman.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Edvard Remberg on July 07, 2017, 04:35:33 PM
He must play 30 games - part of the agreement.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Matt Collins on July 07, 2017, 04:39:59 PM
Yeah we basically matched Everton despite spending miles more than then and then were overtaken by Spurs who spent less than us too

MON bought a handful of excellent players, but the mistake was that While Spurs were buying modric, defoe, VDV, plus players for the future in Walker, Bale, Naughton etc - we were spending similar amounts on Shorey, Cuellar, NRC, Sidwell etc

It's unfair to cherry pick as I've done there but the above is indicative of the different strategies. Ours worked best initially but was limited by its own caution, as was our style of football
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Ad@m on July 07, 2017, 06:09:36 PM
Yeah but how did Spurs wage bill compare?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 07, 2017, 06:13:39 PM
Yeah but how did Spurs wage bill compare?

If only there was a poster we could ask.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: cheltenhamlion on July 07, 2017, 06:33:50 PM
I will tell you what. That whole induction singalong thing actually made me feel a bit better about his signing. He clearly is up for the challenge at least.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 07, 2017, 06:36:52 PM
I've made my views on him plain, but he does seem to be doing and saying the right things so far.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Ad@m on July 07, 2017, 06:51:38 PM
Given the amount of interviews he's done over the years he'd have to be an absolute imbecile to not be good at them by now. It's all very standard, media-trained guff.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Tayls_7 on July 07, 2017, 08:19:38 PM
If Terry had acted to type he'd be in China or the Middle East now but he's clearly at Villa for the challenge and his belief that he still has a lot to offer. I felt I'd misplaced my moral compass when I noticed myself coming around to the idea of him joining us, but as many people have said, we've probably had to tolerate bigger arseholes. I hope during his time at Villa he conducts himself professionally both on and off the field. I have a feeling he will.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 07, 2017, 08:30:02 PM
Mon had 2 problems.

He couldn't find a decent striker to offer an alternative to Gabby and Carew  If you look at how he spent the money he was given the spending on defence and midfield was totally out of line with the lack of spending up front and it showed, we were defensively sound but just didn't have the options up front if Gabby and Carew weren't doing it and neither of them was quite good enough to turn games on their own.


He also had zero tactical nous.

Whatever the opposition, try hit them on the break (unless they don't fall into that trap, in which case just bang your fucking head against the wall for 90 minutes). So many home league matches against dross opposition who weren't going to put us under pressure in the first place, toiling away with endless crosses in the general direction of the box.

That whole MON period, we were great away from home (playing on the break) and absolutely crap otherwise.

Every season he was there, we'd score 27 or 28 home league goals. Only 10 of them would be spread across two drubbings we'd dished out to clubs who were stupid enough to fall into our trap (Bolton always seemed to play an insanely dangerous high line against us) which would leave a ratio of 1 goal per match across the other 17 matches.

Two totally different experiences, home and away.

Oh and his substitutions - 75 minutes, Sidwell on, and usually something involving moving a non right back to right back (to replace the non right back who was already playing there).
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: paul_e on July 07, 2017, 08:37:51 PM
Mon had 2 problems.

He couldn't find a decent striker to offer an alternative to Gabby and Carew  If you look at how he spent the money he was given the spending on defence and midfield was totally out of line with the lack of spending up front and it showed, we were defensively sound but just didn't have the options up front if Gabby and Carew weren't doing it and neither of them was quite good enough to turn games on their own.


He also had zero tactical nous.

Whatever the opposition, try hit them on the break (unless they don't fall into that trap, in which case just bang your fucking head against the wall for 90 minutes). So many home league matches against dross opposition who weren't going to put us under pressure in the first place, toiling away with endless crosses in the general direction of the box.

That whole MON period, we were great away from home (playing on the break) and absolutely crap otherwise.

Every season he was there, we'd score 27 or 28 home league goals. Only 10 of them would be spread across two drubbings we'd dished out to clubs who were stupid enough to fall into our trap (Bolton always seemed to play an insanely dangerous high line against us) which would leave a ratio of 1 goal per match across the other 17 matches.

Two totally different experiences, home and away.

Oh and his substitutions - 75 minutes, Sidwell on, and usually something involving moving a non right back to right back (to replace the non right back who was already playing there).

That was problem 2 that I didn't include for some reason, I think I got distracted.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Matt Collins on July 07, 2017, 09:34:30 PM
Yep - completely agree on both

On paper our midfield should have been capable of some really fluid stuff. But I remember the cup semi v Chelsea and just realising that a MON team could never compete with those clubs. It was like watching England play one of the major foreign powers
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: brentastonb6 on July 08, 2017, 12:21:52 AM
Without ambushing the John Terry signs thread even more , MON to me is the man more than any other who put us on the road to where we are- For every James Milner or Ashley Young there were ten Marlon Harewoods , Nicky Shoreys , Curtis Davies's, Habib Beyes et al on £40k per week contracts for four years , jumped ship when told he'd emptied the till, meant we'd never really know whether the managers who followed him in were good bad or indifferent as they had virtually peanuts to spend. I detest him possibly more than Ellis
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on July 08, 2017, 12:29:05 AM
I still cant figure MON out. I go back and forth between remembering him fondly and detesting him. Sometimes in the space of a minute. I probably need another decade or so to decide.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Damo70 on July 08, 2017, 08:21:12 AM
I would defend his managerial results and even his signings. But I can't defend the timing and the way he walked out.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: peter w on July 08, 2017, 08:22:27 AM
I wouldn't. I wanted him out at the end of the second season.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 08, 2017, 08:36:25 AM
I wouldn't. I wanted him out at the end of the second season.

His second season was his best. He took us from 12th (his first season) to 6th and hadn't really spent that dramatically in the summer before. He actually did really well that season. It started to go south towards the end of the third season when the points made in previous posts about lack of plan B, tactics working away but not at home, playing people out of position and predictable (bad) substitutions started to take their toll. He rallied with some changes in personnel for season 4 but by the end he'd well and truly run out of ideas. Lerner putting the brakes on more changes meant he was only going to go backwards with us so he walked. I think it showed he hadn't got what it took to manage a team near the very top.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: AV82EC on July 08, 2017, 08:50:32 AM
I wouldn't. I wanted him out at the end of the second season.

His second season was his best. He took us from 12th (his first season) to 6th and hadn't really spent that dramatically in the summer before. He actually did really well that season. It started to go south towards the end of the third season when the points made in previous posts about lack of plan B, tactics working away but not at home, playing people out of position and predictable (bad) substitutions started to take their toll. He rallied with some changes in personnel for season 4 but by the end he'd well and truly run out of ideas. Lerner putting the brakes on more changes meant he was only going to go backwards with us so he walked. I think it showed he hadn't got what it took to manage a team near the very top.

Yep I think it was best summarised by someone saying after he stomped off that none of the 5 clubs above us would have employed him and in English football he'd hit his glass ceiling with his philosophy. for the money spent no cups and no CL qualification was a massive failure however you try and dress it up.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: peter w on July 08, 2017, 09:04:09 AM
I wouldn't. I wanted him out at the end of the second season.

His second season was his best. He took us from 12th (his first season) to 6th and hadn't really spent that dramatically in the summer before. He actually did really well that season. It started to go south towards the end of the third season when the points made in previous posts about lack of plan B, tactics working away but not at home, playing people out of position and predictable (bad) substitutions started to take their toll. He rallied with some changes in personnel for season 4 but by the end he'd well and truly run out of ideas. Lerner putting the brakes on more changes meant he was only going to go backwards with us so he walked. I think it showed he hadn't got what it took to manage a team near the very top.

Sorry I meant the third season. i forgot about the first season - I wanted him gone after a second 6th finish.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Nelly on July 08, 2017, 01:56:22 PM
The clubs that we were rivalling for the last Champions League spot under MoN have cemented themselves as contenders. With a better philosophy I think we could have done the same, considering we were outspending them. We had good days then but there was no attempt to build something lasting. We ran out of ideas and then steam and then just gave up.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: KevinGage on July 08, 2017, 02:34:34 PM
Aye. 

We had a two year jump on Man Citeh, for example.  But we wasted it signing the likes of Marlon Harewood. 

In isolation -and as back up to Carew and Agbonlahor- he wasn't a terrible signing. But it was indicative of a side that never truly believed it belonged near the top of the pile.

Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Matt Collins on July 08, 2017, 02:36:57 PM
The Man City thing was unfortunate - we were never going to be able to compete

But Spurs . . .
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: murfee on July 08, 2017, 04:10:46 PM
WTF has all this got to do with John Terry?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 08, 2017, 04:13:18 PM
Can we not turn this into another MON thread. It's enough that this is about John Terry.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: AV5nobs on July 08, 2017, 04:21:27 PM
It's become the none JT thread, I think it should get back to being about JT.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: WarszaVillan on July 08, 2017, 04:30:55 PM
It would be fitting of such a signing that this thread evolved into being about anything except Terry.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: murfee on July 08, 2017, 04:35:20 PM
It would be fitting of such a signing that this thread evolved into being about anything except Terry.



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Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chris Jameson on July 08, 2017, 04:37:50 PM
I like the idea of a thread about him turning into a discussion about anything but him.

What music do people think should be played as the team walks out?
Is Cat Deeley a Villa fan?
Why didn't Barry take the penalty?
Where's Ryu?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on July 08, 2017, 04:46:50 PM
It's become the none JT thread, I think it should get back to being about JT.

What's John Thaw got to do with it? He died years ago!
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: AV5nobs on July 08, 2017, 04:48:50 PM
His memory being revived. God bless JT indeed.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: AV5nobs on July 08, 2017, 04:49:55 PM
It would be fitting of such a signing that this thread evolved into being about anything except Terry.



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Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: murfee on July 08, 2017, 04:51:20 PM
How many people on here who proffess to hate John Terry have actually met him?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 08, 2017, 05:13:31 PM
How many people on here who proffess to hate John Terry have actually met him?

I'd like to echo this, but can we also ask the same of people who claim to hate Eugene Terre-Blanche.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: KevinGage on July 08, 2017, 05:15:17 PM
I believe there is another Villa discussion board that religiously insists on staying 'on topic,' if that's your sort of thing. And will helpfully edit or just outright delete posts it deems beyond the pale.

Part of the charm of H&V is how it wanders off topic so often -you know, like people who have a normal conversation might.

Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Rigadon on July 08, 2017, 07:24:25 PM
It's hold your nose and hope he helps us get promoted, for me. 
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 08, 2017, 07:31:00 PM
Chelsea fan on another forum was asking if any Villa fan boycotted when Bozzie did his salute at WHL?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on July 08, 2017, 07:45:27 PM
Chelsea can f*ck right off.

Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: peter w on July 08, 2017, 07:55:16 PM
chelsea fans can ask what they like - they can, as cbeer eloquently put it, fuck right off. this is our club/team/signing and we'll have our own debate about it with our many different opinions. This is where fans of other clubs have no right to trespass.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Dave on July 09, 2017, 12:14:35 AM
How many people on here who proffess to hate John Terry have actually met him?

This has been a long thread with a variety of opinions shared. I don't think many of them though were about hating anybody.

Even if they were though, whether those people had met him or not would have very little to do with anything.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on July 09, 2017, 12:19:32 AM
chelsea fans can ask what they like - they can, as cbeer eloquently put it, fuck right off. this is our club/team/signing and we'll have our own debate about it with our many different opinions. This is where fans of other clubs have no right to trespass.

Quite right. We are not going to take ethics lectures from bloody Chelsea.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: tomd2103 on July 09, 2017, 12:27:24 AM
Chelsea fan on another forum was asking if any Villa fan boycotted when Bozzie did his salute at WHL?

Not really the same were they?  Bosnich's 'salute' was a joke made without knowing the wider context in which it could have been taken.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: eamonn on July 09, 2017, 12:51:33 AM
It was more stupid/ignorant than racist.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: LeeB on July 09, 2017, 01:38:21 AM
How many people on here who proffess to hate John Terry have actually met him?

I'd like to echo this, but can we also ask the same of people who claim to hate Eugene Terre-Blanche.

*adopts gruff South African accent*

"No Sexual you can't"
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 09, 2017, 01:42:05 AM
How many people on here who proffess to hate John Terry have actually met him?

I'd like to echo this, but can we also ask the same of people who claim to hate Eugene Terre-Blanche.

*adopts gruff South African accent*

"No Sexual you can't"

This.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: peter w on July 09, 2017, 08:34:52 AM
I'd say I hate Hitler but having never met the chap I suppose that's a tad unfair.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: WarszaVillan on July 09, 2017, 09:04:39 AM
It's hold your nose and hope he helps us get promoted, for me. 

I guess that's all we can do. I'm going to refer to him as 'number 26'.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: AV5nobs on July 09, 2017, 09:25:13 AM
Never met met JT, don't like JT, but will be supporting JT home and away as he is wearing AVFC badge.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: The Edge on July 09, 2017, 09:27:32 AM
It's hold your nose and hope he helps us get promoted, for me. 

I guess that's all we can do. I'm going to refer to him as 'number 26'.
Lol. Fair enough
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: john e on July 09, 2017, 11:23:06 AM
It's hold your nose and hope he helps us get promoted, for me. 

I've been holding mine since Bruce and it's not getting easier
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Damo70 on July 09, 2017, 11:30:52 AM
It's hold your nose and hope he helps us get promoted, for me. 

I guess that's all we can do. I'm going to refer to him as 'number 26'.

Patrick McGoohan would say "he is not a number, he is a free man".
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chris Jameson on July 09, 2017, 11:45:50 AM
I've never met Jeremy Hunt, Boris Johnson, Michael Gove, Theresa May, David Davies, Jacob Rees-Mogg, Bono, Kelvin Mackenzie, Katie Hopkins, Donald Trump, Nick Griffin, Richard Littlejohn or Richard E Grant but haven't allowed that to prevent me from hating them.

Or as AV5nobs no doubt knows them JH, BJ, MG, TM etc
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 09, 2017, 11:47:55 AM
How many people on here who proffess to hate John Terry have actually met him?

This is, literally, the worst argument I've ever heard. And I've seen Isabel Oakeshott speak.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Clampy on July 09, 2017, 11:50:36 AM
I've never met Jeremy Hunt, Boris Johnson, Michael Gove, Theresa May, David Davies, Jacob Rees-Mogg, Bono, Kelvin Mackenzie, Katie Hopkins, Donald Trump, Nick Griffin, Richard Littlejohn or Richard E Grant but haven't allowed that to prevent me from hating them.

Or as AV5nobs no doubt knows them JH, BJ, MG, TM etc

What's poor Richard E Grant done to be amongst such company?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: AV5nobs on July 09, 2017, 11:59:46 AM
I've never met Jeremy Hunt, Boris Johnson, Michael Gove, Theresa May, David Davies, Jacob Rees-Mogg, Bono, Kelvin Mackenzie, Katie Hopkins, Donald Trump, Nick Griffin, Richard Littlejohn or Richard E Grant but haven't allowed that to prevent me from hating them.

Or as AV5nobs no doubt knows them JH, BJ, MG, TM etc

The first four can be known simply as C**TS, no need for the abbreviated hard work.

I would class our man JT as one, but at least JT is now our C**T.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chris Jameson on July 09, 2017, 12:02:19 PM
I've never seen Withnail & I because the smuggest tosser in the world is in it, made the mistake of reading a couple of columns he wrote a few years ago and he confirmed what a sneering, snobbish, smug tosser he is.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 09, 2017, 12:10:00 PM
I've never liked Richard E Grant and haven't watched Withnail and I all the way through, for that reason.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Small Rodent on July 09, 2017, 12:18:57 PM
I would hope our younger players will be thinking "Wow! John Terry winner of X, Y, Z has joined my club. What can I learn from him?"

Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 09, 2017, 12:19:58 PM
I would hope our younger players will be thinking "Wow! John Terry winner of X, Y, Z has joined my club. What can I learn from him?"

That was your first mistake.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 09, 2017, 12:21:10 PM
If they sign Richard E Grant that really will be me finished with the club.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 09, 2017, 12:24:29 PM
He can't even pronounce "Switzerland" properly, the massive twat.

Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: AV5nobs on July 09, 2017, 12:39:20 PM
Thought Granty was top notch in LA Story next to Steve Martin.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: CT on July 09, 2017, 01:41:03 PM
I've never met Jeremy Hunt, Boris Johnson, Michael Gove, Theresa May, David Davies, Jacob Rees-Mogg, Bono, Kelvin Mackenzie, Katie Hopkins, Donald Trump, Nick Griffin, Richard Littlejohn or Richard E Grant but haven't allowed that to prevent me from hating them.

Or as AV5nobs no doubt knows them JH, BJ, MG, TM etc

The first four can be known simply as C**TS, no need for the abbreviated hard work.

I would class our man JT as one, but at least JT is now our C**T.

I've never met Paul Tait. I'm just assuming....
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: dave shelley on July 09, 2017, 01:48:09 PM
You can put me in the queue for whacking Richard E Grant with a baseball bat.  I cannot fathom what it is he does to endear himself to people.  I've hated him from the first moment I saw him even though I've never met him.  It's a strange thing how you can instantly dislike someone for no apparent reason.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chris Jameson on July 09, 2017, 01:53:33 PM
Great to know i'm not on my own, working in the theatre (dahling) people are amazed I have such hatred for such a thespian. Don't know if they're still available to read online but I bonded with Jim Shelley (aka Tapehead) the ex Guardian TV critic over our mutual loathing of Grant. He used to get threatening answerphone messages from him and transcribe them in his column.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: AV5nobs on July 09, 2017, 02:02:58 PM
Warlock, classic film, Granty at least deserves some credit alone for this.

Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chris Jameson on July 09, 2017, 02:39:28 PM
You're definitely on a wind up. Had my suspicions.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Clampy on July 09, 2017, 03:08:00 PM
I've only seen him in Withnail and I which he was superb in. He can't possibly be as foul as Katie Hopkins or Nick Griffin surely?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: peter w on July 09, 2017, 03:11:03 PM
He's a smug posh twat but as I don't live in posh twat world or move in those circles I can easily ignore him.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chris Jameson on July 09, 2017, 03:13:49 PM
I easily ignore him by never watching anything he appears in.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: peter w on July 09, 2017, 03:16:16 PM
Other than Withnail & i - which to be honest I find a bit *meh* - i couldn't name anything else he is or was in.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: spartacuss on July 09, 2017, 03:20:22 PM
I've never met Jeremy Hunt, Boris Johnson, Michael Gove, Theresa May, David Davies, Jacob Rees-Mogg, Bono, Kelvin Mackenzie, Katie Hopkins, Donald Trump, Nick Griffin, Richard Littlejohn or Richard E Grant but haven't allowed that to prevent me from hating them.

Or as AV5nobs no doubt knows them JH, BJ, MG, TM etc

  I'll raise you Rupert Murdoch, Paul Dacre and Richard Desmond.

Oh, also holding a pair - the Barclay twins. I win.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Clampy on July 09, 2017, 03:33:32 PM
And let's throw in Tommy Robinson whilst we're at it.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 09, 2017, 03:41:25 PM
Other than Withnail & i - which to be honest I find a bit *meh* - i couldn't name anything else he is or was in.

Crystal Maze.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: peter w on July 09, 2017, 03:45:05 PM
Other than Withnail & i - which to be honest I find a bit *meh* - i couldn't name anything else he is or was in.

Crystal Maze.

Never heard of her.


badum tsssscccchhhhhhh
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 09, 2017, 03:46:53 PM
Other than Withnail & i - which to be honest I find a bit *meh* - i couldn't name anything else he is or was in.

Crystal Maze.

Never heard of her.


badum tsssscccchhhhhhh

Go and stand in the corner and think about what you've done.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: peter w on July 09, 2017, 03:48:14 PM
*nods*
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: DB on July 09, 2017, 03:48:54 PM
Other than Withnail & i - which to be honest I find a bit *meh* - i couldn't name anything else he is or was in.

Hudson Hawk.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Dave on July 09, 2017, 03:51:19 PM
Spice World
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Risso on July 09, 2017, 03:53:15 PM
Game of Thrones
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chris Jameson on July 09, 2017, 04:04:24 PM
I didn't buy a single thing from Argos when he was fronting their adverts.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: AV5nobs on July 09, 2017, 04:08:11 PM
You're definitely on a wind up. Had my suspicions.

Because not everyone hates Grantsy?

That's called communism me old pal.

This is a forum and I like his movies, deal with it.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Dave on July 09, 2017, 04:15:17 PM
You're definitely on a wind up. Had my suspicions.

Because not everyone hates Grantsy?

That's called communism me old pal.

Yup, it's all there. The Government controlling the means of production, the abolition of private property and the obligation to not like Richard E. Grant.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chris Jameson on July 09, 2017, 04:15:58 PM
Since when was he 'Grantsy'? Surely it's REG?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Damo70 on July 09, 2017, 04:23:34 PM
I've never met Jeremy Hunt, Boris Johnson, Michael Gove, Theresa May, David Davies, Jacob Rees-Mogg, Bono, Kelvin Mackenzie, Katie Hopkins, Donald Trump, Nick Griffin, Richard Littlejohn or Richard E Grant but haven't allowed that to prevent me from hating them.

Or as AV5nobs no doubt knows them JH, BJ, MG, TM etc

The first four can be known simply as C**TS, no need for the abbreviated hard work.

I would class our man JT as one, but at least JT is now our C**T.

I've never met Paul Tait. I'm just assuming....


I've met a guy who has 'legally represented' him a few times for the odd misdemeanor and he didn't like him.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chris Jameson on July 09, 2017, 04:33:02 PM
I was delighted to get a message from a friend yesterday confirming what a massive c*** Jacob Rees-Mogg is. He saw me post something on Facebook and as he has to remain politically neutral couldn't be seen to be commenting, he was at Uni with him and Mogg had a butler and twice thought my friend was a porter because he was northern and working class. Great news is everybody hated him. Got another mate who was at school with Gove who was bullied relentlessly because he was a twat back then. Normally I hate bullying but...
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: KevinGage on July 09, 2017, 04:39:58 PM
Pulling yourself asunder over John Terry is one thing.

But the love for Richard E Grant should be enough to see any trialist binned.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chris Jameson on July 09, 2017, 04:52:03 PM
His (or her) location is a sure sign he's (or she) on a wind up.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: KevinGage on July 09, 2017, 04:58:32 PM
Indeed.  Jermaine Beckford could still do a job for us now. 
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: peter w on July 09, 2017, 05:10:05 PM
I was delighted to get a message from a friend yesterday confirming what a massive c*** Jacob Rees-Mogg is. He saw me post something on Facebook and as he has to remain politically neutral couldn't be seen to be commenting, he was at Uni with him and Mogg had a butler and twice thought my friend was a porter because he was northern and working class. Great news is everybody hated him. Got another mate who was at school with Gove who was bullied relentlessly because he was a twat back then. Normally I hate bullying but...

i once got a soft reprimand for pointing out Tory shambles in the run up to the 2010 General Election from work.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chris Jameson on July 09, 2017, 05:11:36 PM
Indeed.  Jermaine Beckford could still do a job for us now. 

Of course, knew they were familiar! Good spot KG.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: peter w on July 09, 2017, 05:21:58 PM
His (or her) location is a sure sign he's (or she) on a wind up.

Which suggests it is a poster of old...

VSM?
greg?
Coopers?
troy?
i wouldn't have thought dan as I don't think it's his style - the guy who lives(d) in france? (no, not BE)
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chris Jameson on July 09, 2017, 05:35:04 PM
One of those is a big fan of the Irish band and had a similar posting style.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: peter w on July 09, 2017, 05:37:41 PM
5 nobs must refer to people on here he believes have slighted him.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: KevinGage on July 09, 2017, 05:37:50 PM
It's Coopers Head Injury.

Anyone else who was odd enough to like U2 would be too embarrassed (surely to McGrath) to make it obvious.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: kipeye on July 09, 2017, 05:43:56 PM
Other than Withnail & i - which to be honest I find a bit *meh* - i couldn't name anything else he is or was in.
How to get ahead in advertising-brilliant.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Small Rodent on July 09, 2017, 05:44:36 PM
I've only seen him in Withnail and I which he was superb in.

Particularly as his daughter died just before filming. I can't imagine how I'd be able to perform.

He is teetotal as well, so the director insisted they all got bladdered together. Grant said it was a miserable experience that fed into dread of his character.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: peter w on July 09, 2017, 05:55:00 PM
It's Coopers Head Injury.

Anyone else who was odd enough to like U2 would be too embarrassed (surely to McGrath) to make it obvious.

Was he silhilvilla after CI - he was okay in that character until he went mad again.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 09, 2017, 05:55:44 PM
He wa very good in My Fair Lady.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chris Jameson on July 09, 2017, 06:14:04 PM
That's what Coopers and silhill have been up to?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: peter w on July 09, 2017, 06:15:34 PM
Man's gotta make a living.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Hopadop on July 09, 2017, 06:20:44 PM
I've never seen Withnail & I because the smuggest tosser in the world is in it, made the mistake of reading a couple of columns he wrote a few years ago and he confirmed what a sneering, snobbish, smug tosser he is.

I love Withnail and I and he's brilliant in it. His character's a sneering, snobbish, smug tosser so that might have helped.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 09, 2017, 06:22:50 PM
I've never liked Richard E Grant and haven't watched Withnail and I all the way through, for that reason.

You're missing out.

One of the funniest films ever made.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: peter w on July 09, 2017, 06:26:23 PM
I've never liked Richard E Grant and haven't watched Withnail and I all the way through, for that reason.

You're missing out.

One of the funniest films ever made.

fuck off.

better than Sex And The City 2? You're taking the piss now.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chris Jameson on July 09, 2017, 06:37:03 PM
I've never liked Richard E Grant and haven't watched Withnail and I all the way through, for that reason.

You're missing out.

One of the funniest films ever made.

I'm happy to miss out.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 09, 2017, 06:40:54 PM
I've never liked Richard E Grant and haven't watched Withnail and I all the way through, for that reason.

You're missing out.

One of the funniest films ever made.

Watched half an hour, couldn't get into it.

The fact that I had to shout "******!" every time Richard E Grant was on the screen probably didn't help. Especially as he was on screen constantly.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on July 09, 2017, 06:50:39 PM
I've never liked Richard E Grant and haven't watched Withnail and I all the way through, for that reason.

You're missing out.

One of the funniest films ever made.

Watched half an hour, couldn't get into it.

The fact that I had to shout "c***!" every time Richard E Grant was on the screen probably didn't help. Especially as he was on screen constantly.

Me either. It just seemed, I dunno. Unpleasant. I bounced right out after 20 mins. Our Swiss friend aside I just didn't find it very funny.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Clampy on July 09, 2017, 06:57:24 PM
I've never seen Withnail & I because the smuggest tosser in the world is in it, made the mistake of reading a couple of columns he wrote a few years ago and he confirmed what a sneering, snobbish, smug tosser he is.

I love Withnail and I and he's brilliant in it. His character's a sneering, snobbish, smug tosser so that might have helped.

Don't threaten me with a dead fish.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 09, 2017, 07:22:56 PM
just remembered my daughter was on set with him and said he was delightfull
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: AV5nobs on July 09, 2017, 08:54:39 PM
Pulling yourself asunder over John Terry is one thing.

But the love for Richard E Grant should be enough to see any trialist binned.

Surely not, Grantsy is, by another's admission a decent fella, and a banning order surely OTT?

Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 09, 2017, 08:57:38 PM
Pulling yourself asunder over John Terry is one thing.

But the love for Richard E Grant should be enough to see any trialist binned.

Surely not, Grantsy is, by another's admission a decent fella, and a banning order surely OTT?



Will you get off with me?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: LeeB on July 09, 2017, 09:05:00 PM
Pulling yourself asunder over John Terry is one thing.

But the love for Richard E Grant should be enough to see any trialist binned.

Surely not, Grantsy is, by another's admission a decent fella, and a banning order surely OTT?



Will you get off with me?

I bet he wouldn't let you touch his tits.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: AV5nobs on July 09, 2017, 09:05:26 PM
You are way under my league so I think we shall agree to disagree as per a forum.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 09, 2017, 09:16:26 PM
You've never seen me! I'm a terrific dancer and I've got bags of enthusiasm.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Richard E on July 09, 2017, 09:23:46 PM
I've never liked Richard E Grant and haven't watched Withnail and I all the way through, for that reason.

Why have you never liked me, and why do you feel the need to share this information with Grant?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: AV5nobs on July 09, 2017, 09:24:35 PM
It's Grantsy, read closely.

Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Richard E on July 09, 2017, 09:33:38 PM
It's Grantsy, read closely.



Top grantz, innit? Lol.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: AV5nobs on July 09, 2017, 09:42:04 PM
You now have a claim to fame and purpose given the route this thread has taken.
Well done Richard E.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chris Jameson on July 09, 2017, 09:45:12 PM
REG.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: AV5nobs on July 09, 2017, 09:48:13 PM
Grantsy, superb in Logan too.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Richard E on July 09, 2017, 09:49:58 PM
You now have a claim to fame and purpose given the route this thread has taken.
Well done Richard E.

Cracking! Only took me 46 years to find a purpose in life and I'm glad it was something like this with a bit of gravitas to it, rather than a frivolity like a cure for a fatal disease or something.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: AV5nobs on July 09, 2017, 09:51:31 PM
Amen and peace to all men.

Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Damo70 on July 10, 2017, 09:36:53 AM
You've never seen me! I'm a terrific dancer and I've got bags of enthusiasm.

"Bags of enthusiasm". Good line to come out with when your going for a job you know nothing about. ;)
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: cheltenhamlion on July 10, 2017, 05:51:04 PM
AV5nobs isn't Coopers Injury or his latter incarnation Silhillvilla.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 15, 2017, 01:52:38 PM
John Terry appointed Aston Villa Captain.  Now he's back to the pimms tent at Wimbledon.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: CT on July 15, 2017, 01:55:43 PM
I hoped James Chester would stay as captain, but there you go!
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Leicester_Villian on July 15, 2017, 02:05:04 PM
Terry will make a better captain than Chester on the pitch ....he is more vocal
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: gpbarr on July 15, 2017, 02:05:21 PM
Its the right decision. Experienced and motivational. Well done Bruce
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: BlackCountryVilla on July 15, 2017, 02:34:36 PM
Its the right decision. Experienced and motivational. Well done Bruce
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Agreed.
Love him or hate him - he is a natural leader on the pitch.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: darren woolley on July 15, 2017, 02:38:20 PM
I also agree good decision to make him captain.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Ad@m on July 15, 2017, 02:44:10 PM
Terry will make a better captain than Chester on the pitch ....he is more vocal

You've played with James Chester a lot then?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 15, 2017, 02:45:04 PM
Much as it pains me to say it, despite his very dodgy, racist past, I'm prepared to give him a chance to rejoin the human race and he won't find a better place to do it than Villa Park. I'm proud that he acknowledges the stick the Holte have given him in the past, it obviously hit a nerve and has stayed with him. He has stated that he will have to earn the respect of the fans through his performances and if his attitude to football and the way he looks after himself is anything to go by, he won't have a problem.

It's easy to get sidetracked with new people saying the right thing, there were plenty of us who thought Tom Fox knew his arse from his elbow, to name just one example. In Terry's case, everything he's come out with since joining us has been a breath of fresh air. The man is a total pro and whilst like CT I would have preferred Chester to have remained captain, I honestly think Terry is just too good a captain not to give it to him. Anybody that hates losing as much as he does won't allow any slackers in the side. He wants to win and when he talks about winning the division, I believe him.

Whether he still has the legs is another matter. One thing I noticed over the last month was how seriously Terry takes his fitness, training daily, even on holiday. He may not end up playing every game but I honestly think he can get us up and running from the start.

Obviously he'll be under the microscope in more ways than one and rightly so. He has a chance to do his reputation the world of good, I just hope he grabs the opportunity with both hands. It will go one of two ways - either extremely well or extremely ugly. I really hope he's up for the challenge.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Dave on July 15, 2017, 03:03:10 PM
Terry will make a better captain than Chester on the pitch ....he is more vocal

And if it were Chester with a bit of elastic around his arm then Terry would be forced to just shut up?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: clash city rocker on July 15, 2017, 03:03:49 PM
From what i'very been told by people inside the game , for all his faults off the pitch he is a model pro when it comes to training and match days. Hopefully we can get a great season out if him and if we do then I think promotion is a real possibility
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: jwarry on July 15, 2017, 03:31:37 PM
Terry always in the right place isn't he?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: The Edge on July 15, 2017, 04:10:01 PM
Just found the Shrewsbury v villa game live stream. There's a link on the Birmingham mail website
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: olaftab on July 15, 2017, 04:12:21 PM
Terry always in the right place isn't he?
Is he in the pub right now?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Dave on July 15, 2017, 04:13:06 PM
Just found the Shrewsbury v villa game live stream. There's a link on the Birmingham mail website

There's also one in the thread all about the match on this forum.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: olaftab on July 15, 2017, 04:13:59 PM
Terry will make a better captain than Chester on the pitch ....he is more vocal
Therefore Joey Barton will be an even better captain in any team.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: The Edge on July 15, 2017, 04:41:35 PM
Just found the Shrewsbury v villa game live stream. There's a link on the Birmingham mail website

There's also one in the thread all about the match on this forum.
Your welcome
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: peter w on July 15, 2017, 05:54:47 PM
He's here, he's started. he looked okay as did the defence first half. he's going to do his CL in training isn't he?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: KevinGage on July 15, 2017, 08:01:35 PM
At least one of our new signings in recent seasons has copped a long term one, so there is every chance.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on July 15, 2017, 08:27:55 PM
Did anybody hear the John Terry magic hat song a small group of fans in the corner of the side stand were trying to get going today ?

Only caught the end bit...."and now he's claret and blue, and when we get promoted he'll shag your missus too".
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: LeeB on July 15, 2017, 09:42:52 PM
Now we've got him, I'm kind of hoping he's an absolute ****** in terms of winding up the opposition and generally leaving a trail of embittered opponents cursing as we walk off with the points again.

I think I want us to go up hated. No, I long to be hated again, and not just by the rags.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: ozzjim on July 15, 2017, 09:52:16 PM
Looked quality. Said though gritted teeth.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on July 15, 2017, 09:54:48 PM
Thought he looked accomplished, and Chester played well with him. Pleased with that starting back 4, just no more changing for two right backs in proper games please.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: ozzjim on July 15, 2017, 10:00:56 PM
That will depend on the glass man remaining fit by the looks of it. Elphick is clearly leaving soon and Richards should never be considered for a processional football team again. He has clearly taken up powerliftong or arse widening as his main interest.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: AV5nobs on July 15, 2017, 10:01:47 PM
Enjoyed the game, day out and JT looked well above what we have had.

Can't wait for the new season.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: passitsideways on July 16, 2017, 02:44:20 AM
Actually played some decent forward passes through the lines, which is more than what could be said about Baker and Elphick last season, and probably Jedinak as well if he played at CB.

Pity we don't actually have anyone who can make any use of them.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Neil Hawkes on July 16, 2017, 08:21:43 AM
Actually played some decent forward passes through the lines, which is more than what could be said about Baker and Elphick last season, and probably Jedinak as well if he played at CB.

Pity we don't actually have anyone who can make any use of them.
I can just picture our midfield now, suddenly the ball is at their feet, instead of waiting for the usual throw-in after a pass from our defenders.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 16, 2017, 09:54:57 AM
he knows how to pass to his own players , he just needs to show half the team how to do it.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: old man villa fan on July 16, 2017, 10:33:46 AM
I didn't want us to sign him for various reasons but now he is here, I want him to do the best for the Club.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: wittonwarrior on July 16, 2017, 11:26:59 AM
he knows how to pass to his own players , he just needs to show half the team how to do it.

How true his distribution is fantastic
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 16, 2017, 11:57:17 AM
He and Chester will make a great pair. Taylor looked rusty, but I've got faith. If Hutton is going to keep the right back gig he needs to stop maurauding forward because he's totally ineffective. The midfield is a total shambles. The forwards will be fine if the midfield is sorted. I think on the evidence of yesterday we might as well sell them all (midfield) except Jedinak and start again.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: peter w on July 16, 2017, 12:09:11 PM
The passing was fine yesterday, it's just that they did nothing with it in the final third. The only option seemed to be Hutton looking for Green. Or Hutton cutting inside and no forward movement from the midfield giving him any other option than going square. McCormack didn't make himself available enough and so we'd just start again.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Tayls_7 on July 16, 2017, 12:13:06 PM
The passing was fine yesterday, it's just that they did nothing with it in the final third. The only option seemed to be Hutton looking for Green. Or Hutton cutting inside and no forward movement from the midfield giving him any other option than going square. McCormack didn't make himself available enough and so we'd just start again.

Has anyone seen even a glimpse of why we shelled out a fortune on Lansbury, Hourihane and Hogan? They seem worse than mediocre. How do we manage it? Labouring to defeat against Shrewsbury is worrying friendly or not.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on July 16, 2017, 12:22:04 PM
Has anyone seen even a glimpse of why we shelled out a fortune on Lansbury, Hourihane and Hogan? They seem worse than mediocre. How do we manage it? Labouring to defeat against Shrewsbury is worrying friendly or not.

Well firstly we didn't shell out a fortune on either Lansbury or Hourihane. We allegedly paid around 10m for Hogan but as he was mainly injured last season and this season hasn't started yet i can't tell you whether he was worth it or not. And as we created absolutely zero for either forward yesterday so that didn't tell me anything about either of them either
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Tayls_7 on July 16, 2017, 12:33:09 PM
Has anyone seen even a glimpse of why we shelled out a fortune on Lansbury, Hourihane and Hogan? They seem worse than mediocre. How do we manage it? Labouring to defeat against Shrewsbury is worrying friendly or not.

Well firstly we didn't shell out a fortune on either Lansbury or Hourihane. We allegedly paid around 10m for Hogan but as he was mainly injured last season and this season hasn't started yet i can't tell you whether he was worth it or not. And as we created absolutely zero for either forward yesterday so that didn't tell me anything about either of them either

I concede that fees in the region of three million for each of Lansbury and Hourihane can be argued as reasonable(?) but collectively we've spent all we can and it appears the only players who look decent are Kodija and Chester. Nobody pisses money up the wall like we do.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: passitsideways on July 16, 2017, 12:46:36 PM
Has anyone seen even a glimpse of why we shelled out a fortune on Lansbury, Hourihane and Hogan? They seem worse than mediocre. How do we manage it? Labouring to defeat against Shrewsbury is worrying friendly or not.

Well firstly we didn't shell out a fortune on either Lansbury or Hourihane. We allegedly paid around 10m for Hogan but as he was mainly injured last season and this season hasn't started yet i can't tell you whether he was worth it or not. And as we created absolutely zero for either forward yesterday so that didn't tell me anything about either of them either

I concede that fees in the region of three million for each of Lansbury and Hourihane can be argued as reasonable(?) but collectively we've spent all we can and it appears the only players who look decent are Kodija and Chester. Nobody pisses money up the wall like we do.

I can't think of any conclusion except that on the whole, we're utter rubbish at getting the most out of players we buy, as opposed to having trouble with identifying players who are good. Hourihane was one of the best midfielders in the Championship and creating goals for fun up until we bought him, but we've managed to turn him into another Westwood-type who keeps it tidy without doing anything.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Matt Collins on July 16, 2017, 12:55:13 PM
The passing absolutely was not fine (per the above). It was shit where it counts - last third.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: peter w on July 16, 2017, 02:20:32 PM
Which is what i said.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: boozey182 on July 16, 2017, 03:00:43 PM
Looked quality. Said though gritted teeth.

I freely admit to having my opinion clouded by an intense dislike of him, but I thought he looked very shaky yesterday, particularly when they got it on the floor and ran at him, and he lost a lot more in the air than I expected him to. They got a few shots away at goal and created a couple of half chances, all coming from his side of the pitch. Well, as much as anyone created in a dire first half. My dad, who was very much in favour of the signing said the same, for what it's worth. I think distribution wise, he was helped by Veretout who kept collecting the ball from the back four...but that's where most of our moves finished.

Obviously 60 minutes of a pre-season match isn't enough to judge him on, maybe he's still just settling in/was carrying too much strawberries and cream.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Matt Collins on July 16, 2017, 03:08:14 PM
Yeah I didn't think Terry was a rock-like as the comments had led me to believe (but I wouldn't read too much into it yet)
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: stuart445 on July 16, 2017, 05:15:04 PM
Reading the last few comments would make you think we were conceding goals left right and centre last season. The truth is our defence wasn't the problem it was the fact our strikers were isolated due to lack of creativity in midfield which Bruce seems to be ignoring,  as it stands right now all we have seem to have done is spent a chunk of out budget on something that isn't going to cure the problems we had last season. 

If the lack of creativity is ignored and we finished 13th last season so a team with the weaknesses the best we can probably manage is 6th.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: CT Villan on July 16, 2017, 05:44:14 PM
If the lack of creativity is ignored and we finished 13th last season so a team with the weaknesses the best we can probably manage is 6th.

I don't think we lack creativity, I think Bruce has our midfielders pinned too far back and hamstrung with defensive duties. We need to unleash the kraken, so to speak, and let our midfielders get into to final third and especially the opposition's box.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: peter w on July 16, 2017, 08:01:42 PM
maybe the defence wasn't the problem - defensively - but they couldn't be trusted to start effective attacks and use the ball well. Hopefully with terry and Chester that will mean we can turn defence into attack a lot quicker.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Matt Collins on July 16, 2017, 08:53:51 PM
I can't believe people can say our defence wasn't a problem last season

Under RDM we conceded about 6 vital goals in the last five minutes including some fucking ridiculous ones. We'd have bee top four by the time he left without that

Bruce tightened it up, but we still conceded stupid important goals (off the top of my head: elphick falling over v Ipswich, Gollini rushing out v Leeds, baker getting turned at about 2 mph against Brighton at home - unlucky w the pen tho - I'm sure Amavi cost us about three by himself didn't he?).

Definitely scope for improvement (albeit Johnstone and Taylor already achieved some of that by the end of the year)
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: peter w on July 16, 2017, 09:02:40 PM
I'm beginning to come round to the thinking that we've got no choice but to go 3-5-2. Taylor, Terry, Chester as the 3. Wing backs being Elmohamady and maybe Thor (Obvious other options being Baker/Taylor, three in the middle being Lansbury, Hourihane and one more (Jedinak/new holding player/Grealish/Thor), with two of Hogan/Green/Kodjia/Adomah/ someone else I've forgotten about.

I don't particularly like the system and think we should even be going to 4-51/4-3-3 but i don't think Bruce knows how to knock the players into a decent unit using 4-4-2.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Matt Collins on July 16, 2017, 09:25:27 PM
I've been thinking similarly on 352. But decided I was being too frit.

If we ever play Baker as a left wing back I honestly might give up
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: brontebilly on July 16, 2017, 09:50:36 PM
maybe the defence wasn't the problem - defensively - but they couldn't be trusted to start effective attacks and use the ball well. Hopefully with terry and Chester that will mean we can turn defence into attack a lot quicker.

None of our centre midfielders have the gumption to take the ball from the back, huge problem allied to the club footed duo of Baker and Hutton. Johnstone doesn't look comfortable with the ball at his feet either.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: eamonn on July 16, 2017, 11:05:37 PM
We've just been pwn'd in the social media stakes for best way to announce a new signing.
Stuey fucking Taylor! His accountant must worship him:
https://mobile.twitter.com/SouthamptonFC/status/885551913856630784
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: stuart445 on July 16, 2017, 11:16:10 PM
I can't believe people can say our defence wasn't a problem last season

Under RDM we conceded about 6 vital goals in the last five minutes including some fucking ridiculous ones. We'd have bee top four by the time he left without that

Bruce tightened it up, but we still conceded stupid important goals (off the top of my head: elphick falling over v Ipswich, Gollini rushing out v Leeds, baker getting turned at about 2 mph against Brighton at home - unlucky w the pen tho - I'm sure Amavi cost us about three by himself didn't he?).

Definitely scope for improvement (albeit Johnstone and Taylor already achieved some of that by the end of the year)

Having one of the leagues best defences proves you to be wrong about defence being a problem.

conceded one of the fewest goals but scored one of the fewest amount of goals those are the facts and you think our defence was a problem oh dear

When a team concedes very few goals but scores very few goals it's clear where the problem lies it's not rocket science to be honest but it does seem to be beyond some people.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chris Smith on July 16, 2017, 11:37:26 PM
I can't believe people can say our defence wasn't a problem last season

Under RDM we conceded about 6 vital goals in the last five minutes including some fucking ridiculous ones. We'd have bee top four by the time he left without that

Bruce tightened it up, but we still conceded stupid important goals (off the top of my head: elphick falling over v Ipswich, Gollini rushing out v Leeds, baker getting turned at about 2 mph against Brighton at home - unlucky w the pen tho - I'm sure Amavi cost us about three by himself didn't he?).

Definitely scope for improvement (albeit Johnstone and Taylor already achieved some of that by the end of the year)

Having one of the leagues best defences proves you to be wrong about defence being a problem.

conceded one of the fewest goals but scored one of the fewest amount of goals those are the facts and you think our defence was a problem oh dear

When a team concedes very few goals but scores very few goals it's clear where the problem lies it's not rocket science to be honest but it does seem to be beyond some people.


The defence was a problem, hence much of the season employing a deep lying midfield to offer some protection. This in turn meant our attacking threat was reduced. Too early to know for sure but I imagine that Bruce's thinking is that with Terry there the midfield should have a bit more freedom.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: stuart445 on July 17, 2017, 12:08:56 AM
I can't believe people can say our defence wasn't a problem last season

Under RDM we conceded about 6 vital goals in the last five minutes including some fucking ridiculous ones. We'd have bee top four by the time he left without that

Bruce tightened it up, but we still conceded stupid important goals (off the top of my head: elphick falling over v Ipswich, Gollini rushing out v Leeds, baker getting turned at about 2 mph against Brighton at home - unlucky w the pen tho - I'm sure Amavi cost us about three by himself didn't he?).

Definitely scope for improvement (albeit Johnstone and Taylor already achieved some of that by the end of the year)

Having one of the leagues best defences proves you to be wrong about defence being a problem.

conceded one of the fewest goals but scored one of the fewest amount of goals those are the facts and you think our defence was a problem oh dear

When a team concedes very few goals but scores very few goals it's clear where the problem lies it's not rocket science to be honest but it does seem to be beyond some people.


The defence was a problem, hence much of the season employing a deep lying midfield to offer some protection. This in turn meant our attacking threat was reduced. Too early to know for sure but I imagine that Bruce's thinking is that with Terry there the midfield should have a bit more freedom.

Whereas RDM when was playing more attacking football we were scoring for fun
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: tomd2103 on July 17, 2017, 12:10:05 AM
I can't believe people can say our defence wasn't a problem last season

Under RDM we conceded about 6 vital goals in the last five minutes including some fucking ridiculous ones. We'd have bee top four by the time he left without that

Bruce tightened it up, but we still conceded stupid important goals (off the top of my head: elphick falling over v Ipswich, Gollini rushing out v Leeds, baker getting turned at about 2 mph against Brighton at home - unlucky w the pen tho - I'm sure Amavi cost us about three by himself didn't he?).

Definitely scope for improvement (albeit Johnstone and Taylor already achieved some of that by the end of the year)

Having one of the leagues best defences proves you to be wrong about defence being a problem.

conceded one of the fewest goals but scored one of the fewest amount of goals those are the facts and you think our defence was a problem oh dear

When a team concedes very few goals but scores very few goals it's clear where the problem lies it's not rocket science to be honest but it does seem to be beyond some people.


The defence was a problem, hence much of the season employing a deep lying midfield to offer some protection. This in turn meant our attacking threat was reduced. Too early to know for sure but I imagine that Bruce's thinking is that with Terry there the midfield should have a bit more freedom.

Don't see that Chris because Terry being in there means we will not be wanting to leave much space in behind us, so will defend deep.  It was the tactics last season of having our wide players defending five yards in front of our full-backs that I found infuriating. 
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: tomd2103 on July 17, 2017, 12:18:26 AM
I'm beginning to come round to the thinking that we've got no choice but to go 3-5-2. Taylor, Terry, Chester as the 3. Wing backs being Elmohamady and maybe Thor (Obvious other options being Baker/Taylor, three in the middle being Lansbury, Hourihane and one more (Jedinak/new holding player/Grealish/Thor), with two of Hogan/Green/Kodjia/Adomah/ someone else I've forgotten about.

I don't particularly like the system and think we should even be going to 4-51/4-3-3 but i don't think Bruce knows how to knock the players into a decent unit using 4-4-2.

Can't see Taylor playing as part of back three to be honest and he plays left wing-back for Wales (though it doesn't really suit him).  Jedinak might drop into the back three, or Baker or Toner might feature on the left of the three.  The only other question then would be regarding the shape of the midfield three.  There is the one holding and two more advanced shape or alternatively the two holding and one advanced shape.

I'm not totally against it, but it hasn't worked when we have tried it in the past.  Lambert's flat back five with three central midfielders and absolutely acres out wide for the opposition full backs to have a field day was a complete disaster. 
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: passitsideways on July 17, 2017, 02:15:12 AM
I can't believe people can say our defence wasn't a problem last season

Under RDM we conceded about 6 vital goals in the last five minutes including some fucking ridiculous ones. We'd have bee top four by the time he left without that

Bruce tightened it up, but we still conceded stupid important goals (off the top of my head: elphick falling over v Ipswich, Gollini rushing out v Leeds, baker getting turned at about 2 mph against Brighton at home - unlucky w the pen tho - I'm sure Amavi cost us about three by himself didn't he?).

Definitely scope for improvement (albeit Johnstone and Taylor already achieved some of that by the end of the year)

Having one of the leagues best defences proves you to be wrong about defence being a problem.

conceded one of the fewest goals but scored one of the fewest amount of goals those are the facts and you think our defence was a problem oh dear

When a team concedes very few goals but scores very few goals it's clear where the problem lies it's not rocket science to be honest but it does seem to be beyond some people.


The defence was a problem, hence much of the season employing a deep lying midfield to offer some protection. This in turn meant our attacking threat was reduced. Too early to know for sure but I imagine that Bruce's thinking is that with Terry there the midfield should have a bit more freedom.

I suspect we'll still need Jedinak in there if it's going to be a back 4 with Terry in it. Maybe the solution might be having Terry try and play passes directly to the likes of Hourihane, Grealish, and Lansbury up the pitch, rather than going through Jedinak first? Last season we had no choice but to rely on Jedinak to build our play with just Baker and Chester.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: sid1964 on July 17, 2017, 07:35:55 AM
Only saw the highlights on the telly, but when Terry got nut megged by that top division 3 player, I have seen people on the iron man challenge get through mud quicker than Terry turned!
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Tayls_7 on July 17, 2017, 07:53:18 AM
Only saw the highlights on the telly, but when Terry got nut megged by that top division 3 player, I have seen people on the iron man challenge get through mud quicker than Terry turned!

Bloody hell Sid. Ironman events are hard enough without wading through mud.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Matt Collins on July 17, 2017, 10:15:17 AM
I can't believe people can say our defence wasn't a problem last season

Under RDM we conceded about 6 vital goals in the last five minutes including some fucking ridiculous ones. We'd have bee top four by the time he left without that

Bruce tightened it up, but we still conceded stupid important goals (off the top of my head: elphick falling over v Ipswich, Gollini rushing out v Leeds, baker getting turned at about 2 mph against Brighton at home - unlucky w the pen tho - I'm sure Amavi cost us about three by himself didn't he?).

Definitely scope for improvement (albeit Johnstone and Taylor already achieved some of that by the end of the year)

Having one of the leagues best defences proves you to be wrong about defence being a problem.

conceded one of the fewest goals but scored one of the fewest amount of goals those are the facts and you think our defence was a problem oh dear

When a team concedes very few goals but scores very few goals it's clear where the problem lies it's not rocket science to be honest but it does seem to be beyond some people.


I disagree. Liverpool always used to have one of the best defensive records with scales, babb and ruddock. But in the big games they conceded sloppy goals. Our defence is good enough against teams in the bottom half but not good enough against teams in the top 8 or so in my view. I'm pretty sure we didn't keep a clean sheet away against any of them; and we conceded bad goals as I said above

It's the strongest part of our team and stronger with the signings we've made since Jan. But it was a problem last season because we lost important goals stupidly
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: stuart445 on July 17, 2017, 10:20:47 AM
I can't believe people can say our defence wasn't a problem last season

Under RDM we conceded about 6 vital goals in the last five minutes including some fucking ridiculous ones. We'd have bee top four by the time he left without that

Bruce tightened it up, but we still conceded stupid important goals (off the top of my head: elphick falling over v Ipswich, Gollini rushing out v Leeds, baker getting turned at about 2 mph against Brighton at home - unlucky w the pen tho - I'm sure Amavi cost us about three by himself didn't he?).

Definitely scope for improvement (albeit Johnstone and Taylor already achieved some of that by the end of the year)

Having one of the leagues best defences proves you to be wrong about defence being a problem.

conceded one of the fewest goals but scored one of the fewest amount of goals those are the facts and you think our defence was a problem oh dear

When a team concedes very few goals but scores very few goals it's clear where the problem lies it's not rocket science to be honest but it does seem to be beyond some people.


I disagree. Liverpool always used to have one of the best defensive records with scales, babb and ruddock. But in the big games they conceded sloppy goals. Our defence is good enough against teams in the bottom half but not good enough against teams in the top 8 or so in my view. I'm pretty sure we didn't keep a clean sheet away against any of them; and we conceded bad goals as I said above

It's the strongest part of our team and stronger with the signings we've made since Jan. But it was a problem last season because we lost important goals stupidly

Again we need to score goals, how many times did we score more than 1 in a game, keeping clean sheets is all well and good but when you can't score what's the point as drawing more than we win isn't going to get us promoted
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Matt Collins on July 17, 2017, 10:24:13 AM
We both agree on that front - that's the biggest problem to fix

But as others say above. Bruce reacted to our brittleness by deciding we needed to play deep, get bodies around Jedinak, and put energy (e.g. Bacuna) ahead of flair (e.g. Grealish)

Hopefully if we're stronger at the back we can afford to be more creative with the rest of the team. Though how far Bruce is ready to do that; and whether a team with Terry and Jedinak can squeeze the play is debatable
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: stuart445 on July 17, 2017, 03:51:06 PM
We both agree on that front - that's the biggest problem to fix

But as others say above. Bruce reacted to our brittleness by deciding we needed to play deep, get bodies around Jedinak, and put energy (e.g. Bacuna) ahead of flair (e.g. Grealish)

Hopefully if we're stronger at the back we can afford to be more creative with the rest of the team. Though how far Bruce is ready to do that; and whether a team with Terry and Jedinak can squeeze the play is debatable

And as has also been pointed out having a 36 year old who had no pace when he was in his prime so will have even less now he's in his twilight of his career, that'll mean we'll have to defend deep so that Terry isn't caught out of position and being to slow to recover.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Villa Lew on July 24, 2017, 10:31:27 AM
According to the Villa website John Terry shirts are easily the most popular, with 69% of fans choosing them. Zero to hero!
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: robbo1874 on July 24, 2017, 11:08:51 AM
Is Terry captain now?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: TaxDodger on July 24, 2017, 11:28:08 AM
According to the Villa website John Terry shirts are easily the most popular, with 69% of fans choosing them. Zero to hero!

He is the only player whose squad number has been revealed though. Well, apart from Johnstone.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: OzVilla on July 24, 2017, 11:40:04 AM
Or maybe we've just got loads of fans named Terry.    ;)
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chris Jameson on July 24, 2017, 11:43:23 AM
#FakeNews
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on July 27, 2017, 01:19:58 PM
Cant we get Terry to sort out the ticket office shambles
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: MoetVillan on July 27, 2017, 02:15:44 PM
According to the Villa website John Terry shirts are easily the most popular, with 69% of fans choosing them. Zero to hero!

Out of interest, what does one call someone who wears a full kit replica of a fullkitwanker?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Mossie Hennebry on July 27, 2017, 02:35:07 PM
According to the Villa website John Terry shirts are easily the most popular, with 69% of fans choosing them. Zero to hero!

Out of interest, what does one call someone who wears a full kit replica of a fullkitwanker?

It would be something like LDV Vans, I suppose?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 27, 2017, 02:53:54 PM
According to the Villa website John Terry shirts are easily the most popular, with 69% of fans choosing them. Zero to hero!

Out of interest, what does one call someone who wears a full kit replica of a fullkitwanker?
Replica wanker.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Rigadon on July 27, 2017, 06:40:28 PM
According to the Villa website John Terry shirts are easily the most popular, with 69% of fans choosing them. Zero to hero!

Out of interest, what does one call someone who wears a full kit replica of a fullkitwanker?
Replica wanker.

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Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 28, 2017, 12:50:58 AM
£126K worth of sodding handbags!!!! Dail Mail article on burglary at John Terry's house (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4737186/Burglars-raided-John-Terry-s-mansion-stealing-jewellery.html)

Items stolen

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/07/27/23/42C0468C00000578-4737186-image-a-1_1501195224487.jpg)
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Louzie0 on July 28, 2017, 01:00:10 AM
It's like Imelda Marcos, but further up.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on July 28, 2017, 01:38:05 AM
I hope he and his family are over the trauma of this.  Seriously. Having your home violated like that is awful. He and his wife deserve sympathy not making fun of their possessions. Thats none of our or the presses business.

Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: ktvillan on July 28, 2017, 01:43:44 AM
Classy
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 28, 2017, 01:46:02 AM
Not sure how saying "£126K worth of sodding handbags!!!" is making fun of it.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: adrenachrome on July 28, 2017, 02:24:16 AM
Here's Toni wielding a piece of evidence. If you loaded it with pound coins it would make a pretty good weapon. The super rich version of the sock filled with snooker balls by Ray Winstone in the borstal-based TV program "Scum".

I'm the daddy now was the expression he used after the brief altercation, if memory serves.

At least it will provide an opportunity for opposition fans to come up with some satirically ribald chants and bantz.



(https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/nintchdbpict000341842310-e1501192364607.jpg?strip=all&w=636&quality=100)
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: TheMalandro on July 28, 2017, 04:20:33 AM
£5,000 replica trophy.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Herman on July 28, 2017, 08:14:00 AM
His mum has a bit of form, maybe it was an inside job
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Brend'Watkins on July 28, 2017, 08:50:57 AM
Signed Harry Potter books £18,000?

J K Rowling doesn't come cheap does she?

Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: darren woolley on July 28, 2017, 10:37:41 AM
I really detest this kind of thing people who go around and burgle other people and take other peoples things I don't have much but I wouldn't lower myself to do this kind of thing.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Mister E on July 28, 2017, 10:40:13 AM
I really detest this kind of thing people who go around and burgle other people and take other peoples things I don't have much but I wouldn't lower myself to do this kind of thing.
Well said, Darren!
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: saunders_heroes on July 28, 2017, 10:51:22 AM
I really detest this kind of thing people who go around and burgle other people and take other peoples things I don't have much but I wouldn't lower myself to do this kind of thing.

Hear hear. I've been burgled twice in the last few years. Thankfully though they didn't find my stash of Louis Vuitton handbags.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 28, 2017, 11:06:54 AM
Being burgled is horrible , left a horrible effect on my 8 year old. Scum

took everything but his Villa kit which I found odd.




Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chris Jameson on July 28, 2017, 11:23:20 AM
A friend who was in a band had his house burgled, they took all his cd's apart from those of the band he was a member of.

I'm staggered that John Terry had any books.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Drummond on July 28, 2017, 11:59:08 AM
£126K worth of sodding handbags!!!! Dail Mail article on burglary at John Terry's house (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4737186/Burglars-raided-John-Terry-s-mansion-stealing-jewellery.html)

Items stolen

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/07/27/23/42C0468C00000578-4737186-image-a-1_1501195224487.jpg)

How pleasant of them to share the list. They're a bunch of toerags aren't they? Regardless of what you think of John Terry (and let's face it not many people have a high opinion) it's still an invasion of privacy.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chris Jameson on July 28, 2017, 12:04:33 PM
The mini replica trophy will be from when Terry won Wimbledon.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Brend'Watkins on July 28, 2017, 12:07:23 PM
The invasion of privacy is  the real crime.  The £126k of hand bags will be replaced with the latest must have versions as will the bling, with their insurance.  I still can't get my head around the cost of the signed Harry Potter Books.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Damo70 on July 28, 2017, 12:11:18 PM
I'm guessing the two most expensive items, the sixty one grand ring and forty two grand handbag were purchased when he got caught playing away a couple of times.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 28, 2017, 12:52:24 PM
Being burgled is horrible , left a horrible effect on my 8 year old. Scum


He's only 8, give him a chance.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Scratchins on July 28, 2017, 01:22:36 PM
Being burgled is horrible. After a few years I still miss things that were taken but the biggest upset was taking items left by my mother. They were worth very little and probably ended up down the drain but they meant a lot to me.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chris Jameson on July 28, 2017, 02:10:07 PM
Being burgled is horrible , left a horrible effect on my 8 year old. Scum


He's only 8, give him a chance.

Just did a 'lol'.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 28, 2017, 04:24:51 PM
Me too. The bloke in the next cubicle has gone very quiet since.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: peter w on July 28, 2017, 09:25:24 PM
Snakeskin? Could he get any lower?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Tayls_7 on July 28, 2017, 09:29:29 PM
Snakeskin? Could he get any lower?

Very good.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 28, 2017, 09:30:34 PM
Snakeskin? Could he get any lower?

Explains the Delph injuries last season.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: olaftab on July 28, 2017, 09:40:17 PM
The mini replica trophy will be from when Terry won Wimbledon.
The wife just hit me on the head cos I am laughing uncontrollably whilst she is lying there suffering a bad back.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: villan from luton on July 28, 2017, 10:30:32 PM
I have been burgled and it is not funny, regardless of what is stolen. Some may find it obscene the monies involved with handbags and they will get even better through insurance, it is the invasion of privacy that affects people the most
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 28, 2017, 10:34:24 PM
I have been burgled and it is not funny, regardless of what is stolen. Some may find it obscene the monies involved with handbags and they will get even better through insurance, it is the invasion of privacy that affects people the most

I totally agree, the invasion of privacy is horrible, but I can't actually see anyone laughing at burglary here.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: villan from luton on July 28, 2017, 10:41:54 PM
Couple of comments making light of things, but may have read more about the papers comments to be fair.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 28, 2017, 10:43:53 PM
People take the piss in the deathwatch thread, a few jokes about handbags or a trophy is hardly the end of the world. Nor is it anyone actually finding them being burgled funny.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: saunders_heroes on July 28, 2017, 10:49:28 PM
Being burgled is horrible. After a few years I still miss things that were taken but the biggest upset was taking items left by my mother. They were worth very little and probably ended up down the drain but they meant a lot to me.

I know what you mean. My grandad was given a solid gold fob watch on his retirement from the police in Ireland which was engraved to him. It was handed down to me and some tramp broke into my home and stole it. It still gets to me when I think about it 7 years later.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: eamonn on July 28, 2017, 11:56:32 PM
For the cost of a couple of handbags could they not have hired a security team to keep watch on the gaff for a few days? Posting on social media from a ski slope far far away, showing that your mansion is empty probably not the wisest thing to do.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Ad@m on July 29, 2017, 07:09:47 AM
For the cost of a couple of handbags could they not have hired a security team to keep watch on the gaff for a few days? Posting on social media from a ski slope far far away, showing that your mansion is empty probably not the wisest thing to do.

Quite. Its not like it's the first time a footballer has been burgled while they're overseas.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: robbo1874 on July 29, 2017, 07:30:35 AM
I got burgled day after Boxing Day last year. All they took was my car keys and drove off in my car. Called it in to the cops and half expected a visit some time the next week. The worst thing was they came round early the next morning when my daughter was having her breakfast. I didn't want to upset her by letting on we'd been burgled so chose to speak to them outside. They basically thought I was a bit dodgy and decided I was the criminal. It all 'didn't add up' for them. ******. The burglary itself was far less unpleasant than the police treatment. Got the car back a few weeks later. It was recovered a couple of days after it was nicked, but nobody at the police station thought to ring me and let me know. Sorry to bore everybody, but since we're sharing...
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: brian green on July 29, 2017, 07:50:57 AM
Know how you feel Robbo.  Some time ago my barn went up in flames.  The fire broke out at about 11pm.  At 4am the police were still grilling me agressively.  They had made their minds up that it was an insurance scam.  Only when they said that they better give me a crime number for insurance purposes and I replied that the buildings were not insured did they start to treat me like a normal human being who has just suffered a big financial loss.  In your case Rob they probably thought you had had your car nicked.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: brian green on July 29, 2017, 07:52:40 AM
Apologies for straying off topic.  The victim of any crime, including John Terry, has my sympathy.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: peter w on July 29, 2017, 03:01:59 PM
Mate of mine, a good few years ago, lent his car to a few of his mates, who I knew through him and lets say they never strayed anyway close to the line of legal, anyway these are people you don't say no to when the ask for something. Anyway, days later the car still hasn't been returned so he reports it stolen. Obviously he doesn't know who took it. Police came round a few days later to say that the car had been found and that it was involved in an armed robbery but he was in the clear because it was after he'd reported it stolen. Also, luckily for me, these geezers thought I was the dogs bollocks. Scared the living shit out me.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 05, 2017, 09:45:58 PM
Thought he was very good today.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: LeeB on August 05, 2017, 09:49:17 PM
Me too. I think he will be the difference for us, but you just know he'll get injured for a good stretch and it will bollocks us.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: AV5nobs on August 05, 2017, 09:56:29 PM
JT class act today.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 05, 2017, 10:26:51 PM
Good player, glad we signed him.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: olaftab on August 05, 2017, 10:38:30 PM
Thought he was very good today.
He was the standout peacock amongst Dodos'.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: boozey182 on August 05, 2017, 11:09:38 PM
I didn't see what he did today to make him stand out from the rest of the rubbish, Chester aside. He didn't take responsibility for playing out from the back like I thought he would and didn't win as much in the air as Baker used to. I might be totally wrong, but I think there's a bit of The Emperor's New Clothes about him. To pay someone 60k a week at this level you need people that will turn losses into draws and draws into wins. I guess it's not his fault that we desperately need improvement further up the pitch, though, but today just seemed to emphasise the complete lack of planning from the club over the summer. Again. I know we still have a month, but we desperately need(ed) a strong start this year.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 05, 2017, 11:29:41 PM
Really? I thought he was noticeably dominant and very comfortable.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: PeterWithe on August 05, 2017, 11:33:28 PM
I didn't see what he did today to make him stand out from the rest of the rubbish, Chester aside. He didn't take responsibility for playing out from the back like I thought he would and didn't win as much in the air as Baker used to. I might be totally wrong, but I think there's a bit of The Emperor's New Clothes about him. To pay someone 60k a week at this level you need people that will turn losses into draws and draws into wins. I guess it's not his fault that we desperately need improvement further up the pitch, though, but today just seemed to emphasise the complete lack of planning from the club over the summer. Again. I know we still have a month, but we desperately need(ed) a strong start this year.

I thought he was very good, if I had a criticism it was that he didn't rally the troops when we were under the cosh for 20 mins second half. We needed leadership and I'm not sure he provided enough of it.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: boozey182 on August 05, 2017, 11:38:31 PM
Really? I thought he was noticeably dominant and very comfortable.

I thought Chester was. Can't think of anything Terry did all match that was in any way noticeable. I might have forgotten bits, and to be fair, we weren't troubled in defence often, but I just didn't see it. And like I said, to be paying someone that amount of money, you want them to have a really positive impact on the game.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: saunders_heroes on August 05, 2017, 11:40:00 PM
Really? I thought he was noticeably dominant and very comfortable.

I thought Chester was. Can't think of anything Terry did all match that was in any way noticeable. I might have forgotten bits, and to be fair, we weren't troubled in defence often, but I just didn't see it. And like I said, to be paying someone that amount of money, you want them to have a really positive impact on the game.

He didn't put a foot wrong all game. What more do you want?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 05, 2017, 11:40:57 PM
I think that's kind of the point though, he was completely assured and unfussed.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 05, 2017, 11:46:37 PM
As you all know i'm his biggest fan! And even I thought he played well. I would agree though that i'd have liked him to be more vocal when we went to shit for half an hour.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on August 05, 2017, 11:47:50 PM
Who needs those Champions League nights against Bayern when you can start at home to Hull in the championship.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: boozey182 on August 05, 2017, 11:51:14 PM
Really? I thought he was noticeably dominant and very comfortable.

I thought Chester was. Can't think of anything Terry did all match that was in any way noticeable. I might have forgotten bits, and to be fair, we weren't troubled in defence often, but I just didn't see it. And like I said, to be paying someone that amount of money, you want them to have a really positive impact on the game.

He didn't put a foot wrong all game. What more do you want?
For the highest paid player in the league('s history?), I want him to make us a better, and more successful, team. I don't think the match would have been any different if Baker would have been playing. As I said though, it's not necessarily his fault that we haven't strengthened where we need to.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Ads on August 05, 2017, 11:55:13 PM
At one point he read an interception where a Hull player/runner was going to his left but he anticipated it ending up right, was two steps ahead of Hull and won the ball.

He's a class above. If you think Baker is fit to lace his boots then you've not been watching either player.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 05, 2017, 11:56:00 PM
Well we were noticeably more stable as a defensive unit and I'm pretty sure that was down to him.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: olaftab on August 06, 2017, 12:06:58 AM
boozey182 I am not his fan and didn't like it when he signed for us however you must have been watching another game if you saw it the way you did. There was nothing Hull could do to get past him.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: wittonwarrior on August 06, 2017, 12:09:51 AM
Outstanding -  without the best footballer by a mile in our squad. 
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: boozey182 on August 06, 2017, 12:15:22 AM
Fair enough, I'm clearly letting my personal feelings for the man cloud my judgement.

For the record, I don't think Baker is in any way a better player than him, more that I don't think Baker/our defence was our problem last year. Today the midfield wasn't any further forward, we gave away a soft goal and yet again we didn't have the mental strength to get a win. I expected Terry to change some of that, but today it was exactly the same as last year. I didn't notice him do anything especially good. I was equally disappointed in Whelan as well.

But I will concede that I am in the minority here so probably wrong.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 06, 2017, 12:23:25 AM
Fair enough, I'm clearly letting my personal feelings for the man cloud my judgement.

For the record, I don't think Baker is in any way a better player than him, more that I don't think Baker/our defence was our problem last year. Today the midfield wasn't any further forward, we gave away a soft goal and yet again we didn't have the mental strength to get a win. I expected Terry to change some of that, but today it was exactly the same as last year. I didn't notice him do anything especially good. I was equally disappointed in Whelan as well.

But I will concede that I am in the minority here so probably wrong.

I share your antipathy to the man, and as a player one thing that I noticed was that we'll never catch the opposition offside while he's on the pitch. But I thought he was very good today. His distribution is so far above anyone else we've had for a number of years that it's almost embarrassing.

However, there's only so much one centre-back can add, no matter how good they are. Our problems are manifold, and elsewhere.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 06, 2017, 12:33:16 AM
I dislike him. But I've seen him play for us three times now and he's been the best player each time. I'd still rather we hadn't signed him, for reasons that I've made clear. On a purely footballing sense, he looks like an excellent acquisition and he and Chester look to have a better understanding than Chester and Baker had, already. And I say that as someone who is still a bit sad that Baker has gone.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: boozey182 on August 06, 2017, 12:41:25 AM
I dislike him. But I've seen him play for us three times now and he's been the best player each time. I'd still rather we hadn't signed him, for reasons that I've made clear. On a purely footballing sense, he looks like an excellent acquisition and he and Chester look to have a better understanding than Chester and Baker had, already. And I say that as someone who is still a bit sad that Baker has gone.

Well then quite frankly you need to up your game when it comes disliking people... I dislike him so much that I am incapable of viewling his performances with anything close to objectivity. That's true dislike my friend. Welcome to the big leagues.

*Winky thing*
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 06, 2017, 01:18:27 AM
You're right. It's a slippery slope. I find myself saying "I don't like John Terry but he's an okay footballer, I suppose", what's next?

Am I going to start thinking Tim Lovejoy is basically harmless? Will I absent-mindedly hum a U2 song? It's a matter of time before I start saying that Thatcher was misunderstood. I need to have a fucking word with myself.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: boozey182 on August 06, 2017, 05:37:56 AM
"I don't like Theresa May as a Prime Minister, but if you can't see that she's got great fashion sense then your obviously looking at different leather trousers to me"
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: AV5nobs on August 06, 2017, 08:32:18 AM
Very impressed, keep it up JT.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: MorrisNielson on August 06, 2017, 08:27:19 PM
So then, only Bobby Pires was older when making their debuts (not including goalies).

Oldest outfield league debutants:
1 - 37 years & 23 days - Pires - 2010-11 season.
2 - 36 years & 241 days - Terry - 2017-18 season.
3 - 34 years & 259 days - Paton - 1889-90 season.
4 - 34 years & 72 days - Calderwood - 1998-99 season.
5 - 33 years & 225 days - Sutton - 2006-07 season.
6 - 33 years & 207 days - Ginola - 2000-01 season.
7 - 33 years & 204 days - Whelan - 2017-18 season.
8 - 33 years & 189 days - Regis - 1991-92 season.
9 - 33 years & 160 days - Broadbent - 1966-67 season.
10 - 33 years & 130 days - Samba - 2017-18 season.
11 - 33 years & 94 days - Nilis - 2000-01 season.
12 - 33 years & 93 days - Johnsen - 2002-03 season.
13 - 33 years & 28 days - Lescott - 2015-16 season.
14 - 33 years & (unknown) days - Worrell - 1919-20 season.
15 - 32 years & 344 days - Cole - 2014-15 season.
16 - 32 years & 281 days - Holt - 2013-14 season.
17 - 32 years & 274 days - McAvennie - 1992-93 season.
18 - 32 years & 166 days - Powell - 1948-49 season.
19 - 32 years & 118 days - Mulraney - 1948-49 season.
20 - 32 years & 36 days - Leonhardsen - 2002-03 season.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 06, 2017, 08:28:41 PM
I still hold out hope of taking over the top spot.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: West Derby Villan on August 06, 2017, 08:33:13 PM
I dislike him. But I've seen him play for us three times now and he's been the best player each time. I'd still rather we hadn't signed him, for reasons that I've made clear. On a purely footballing sense, he looks like an excellent acquisition and he and Chester look to have a better understanding than Chester and Baker had, already. And I say that as someone who is still a bit sad that Baker has gone.

With you mate, but he wears the shirt now, so he's one of us. Spose we better move on
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: aj2k77 on August 06, 2017, 08:47:29 PM
Still probably comfortably the best player at the club. Keep him fit and we might win some 1-0's.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: KevinGage on August 06, 2017, 09:17:50 PM
He's a clart of a human being. But if he can stay fit, looks like he could be our best centre half since Laursen.

Not that the competition has been all that hot, sadly.

The concern is that if he does start to decline, it will be pretty rapid at that age.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: andyh on August 06, 2017, 09:20:02 PM
He's a clart of a human being. But if he can stay fit, looks like he could be our best centre half since Laursen.

Not that the competition has been all that hot, sadly.

The concern is that if he does start to decline, it will be pretty rapid at that age.
I totally agree, but require clarity.
Rarse or bumba ?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: achilles on August 06, 2017, 09:21:20 PM
He was never rushed and every pass was to a Villa player (didn't hoof it once), didn't seem to matter whether he was under pressure or not, utter class!

It does make you realise just how far Villa have fallen when a 36 year old can come into the side and show up the rest of the players!
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on August 06, 2017, 09:21:49 PM
So then, only Bobby Pires was older when making their debuts (not including goalies).

Oldest outfield league debutants:
1 - 37 years & 23 days - Pires - 2010-11 season.
2 - 36 years & 241 days - Terry - 2017-18 season.
3 - 34 years & 259 days - Paton - 1889-90 season.
4 - 34 years & 72 days - Calderwood - 1998-99 season.
5 - 33 years & 225 days - Sutton - 2006-07 season.
6 - 33 years & 207 days - Ginola - 2000-01 season.
7 - 33 years & 204 days - Whelan - 2017-18 season.
8 - 33 years & 189 days - Regis - 1991-92 season.
9 - 33 years & 160 days - Broadbent - 1966-67 season.
10 - 33 years & 130 days - Samba - 2017-18 season.
11 - 33 years & 94 days - Nilis - 2000-01 season.
12 - 33 years & 93 days - Johnsen - 2002-03 season.
13 - 33 years & 28 days - Lescott - 2015-16 season.
14 - 33 years & (unknown) days - Worrell - 1919-20 season.
15 - 32 years & 344 days - Cole - 2014-15 season.
16 - 32 years & 281 days - Holt - 2013-14 season.
17 - 32 years & 274 days - McAvennie - 1992-93 season.
18 - 32 years & 166 days - Powell - 1948-49 season.
19 - 32 years & 118 days - Mulraney - 1948-49 season.
20 - 32 years & 36 days - Leonhardsen - 2002-03 season.

Love Regis but that's a depressing list in terms of how effective our older newcomers have been. Hoping Terry will be the exception.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: KevinGage on August 06, 2017, 09:22:53 PM
He's a clart of a human being. But if he can stay fit, looks like he could be our best centre half since Laursen.

Not that the competition has been all that hot, sadly.

The concern is that if he does start to decline, it will be pretty rapid at that age.
I totally agree, but require clarity.
Rarse or bumba ?

Dutty rarse.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: KevinGage on August 06, 2017, 09:24:08 PM
So then, only Bobby Pires was older when making their debuts (not including goalies).

Oldest outfield league debutants:
1 - 37 years & 23 days - Pires - 2010-11 season.
2 - 36 years & 241 days - Terry - 2017-18 season.
3 - 34 years & 259 days - Paton - 1889-90 season.
4 - 34 years & 72 days - Calderwood - 1998-99 season.
5 - 33 years & 225 days - Sutton - 2006-07 season.
6 - 33 years & 207 days - Ginola - 2000-01 season.
7 - 33 years & 204 days - Whelan - 2017-18 season.
8 - 33 years & 189 days - Regis - 1991-92 season.
9 - 33 years & 160 days - Broadbent - 1966-67 season.
10 - 33 years & 130 days - Samba - 2017-18 season.
11 - 33 years & 94 days - Nilis - 2000-01 season.
12 - 33 years & 93 days - Johnsen - 2002-03 season.
13 - 33 years & 28 days - Lescott - 2015-16 season.
14 - 33 years & (unknown) days - Worrell - 1919-20 season.
15 - 32 years & 344 days - Cole - 2014-15 season.
16 - 32 years & 281 days - Holt - 2013-14 season.
17 - 32 years & 274 days - McAvennie - 1992-93 season.
18 - 32 years & 166 days - Powell - 1948-49 season.
19 - 32 years & 118 days - Mulraney - 1948-49 season.
20 - 32 years & 36 days - Leonhardsen - 2002-03 season.

Love Regis but that's a depressing list in terms of how effective our older newcomers have been. Hoping Terry will be the exception.

Johnsen was pretty good for the time we had him.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: LeeB on August 06, 2017, 09:52:00 PM
So then, only Bobby Pires was older when making their debuts (not including goalies).

Oldest outfield league debutants:
1 - 37 years & 23 days - Pires - 2010-11 season.
2 - 36 years & 241 days - Terry - 2017-18 season.
3 - 34 years & 259 days - Paton - 1889-90 season.
4 - 34 years & 72 days - Calderwood - 1998-99 season.
5 - 33 years & 225 days - Sutton - 2006-07 season.
6 - 33 years & 207 days - Ginola - 2000-01 season.
7 - 33 years & 204 days - Whelan - 2017-18 season.
8 - 33 years & 189 days - Regis - 1991-92 season.
9 - 33 years & 160 days - Broadbent - 1966-67 season.
10 - 33 years & 130 days - Samba - 2017-18 season.
11 - 33 years & 94 days - Nilis - 2000-01 season.
12 - 33 years & 93 days - Johnsen - 2002-03 season.
13 - 33 years & 28 days - Lescott - 2015-16 season.
14 - 33 years & (unknown) days - Worrell - 1919-20 season.
15 - 32 years & 344 days - Cole - 2014-15 season.
16 - 32 years & 281 days - Holt - 2013-14 season.
17 - 32 years & 274 days - McAvennie - 1992-93 season.
18 - 32 years & 166 days - Powell - 1948-49 season.
19 - 32 years & 118 days - Mulraney - 1948-49 season.
20 - 32 years & 36 days - Leonhardsen - 2002-03 season.

Love Regis but that's a depressing list in terms of how effective our older newcomers have been. Hoping Terry will be the exception.

Johnsen was pretty good for the time we had him.

He was one of those players I didn't realise just how good he was till he played for us, he had a mark of class that we don't see often enough.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: saunders_heroes on August 06, 2017, 10:02:24 PM
So then, only Bobby Pires was older when making their debuts (not including goalies).

Oldest outfield league debutants:
1 - 37 years & 23 days - Pires - 2010-11 season.
2 - 36 years & 241 days - Terry - 2017-18 season.
3 - 34 years & 259 days - Paton - 1889-90 season.
4 - 34 years & 72 days - Calderwood - 1998-99 season.
5 - 33 years & 225 days - Sutton - 2006-07 season.
6 - 33 years & 207 days - Ginola - 2000-01 season.
7 - 33 years & 204 days - Whelan - 2017-18 season.
8 - 33 years & 189 days - Regis - 1991-92 season.
9 - 33 years & 160 days - Broadbent - 1966-67 season.
10 - 33 years & 130 days - Samba - 2017-18 season.
11 - 33 years & 94 days - Nilis - 2000-01 season.
12 - 33 years & 93 days - Johnsen - 2002-03 season.
13 - 33 years & 28 days - Lescott - 2015-16 season.
14 - 33 years & (unknown) days - Worrell - 1919-20 season.
15 - 32 years & 344 days - Cole - 2014-15 season.
16 - 32 years & 281 days - Holt - 2013-14 season.
17 - 32 years & 274 days - McAvennie - 1992-93 season.
18 - 32 years & 166 days - Powell - 1948-49 season.
19 - 32 years & 118 days - Mulraney - 1948-49 season.
20 - 32 years & 36 days - Leonhardsen - 2002-03 season.

Love Regis but that's a depressing list in terms of how effective our older newcomers have been. Hoping Terry will be the exception.

Johnsen was pretty good for the time we had him.

He was. Calderwood got stuck in as well.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: LeeB on August 06, 2017, 10:06:23 PM
Nillis would have been brilliant, but for the intervention of a jug-eared over rated gump from Ipswich that did jack all with the rest of his career.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: footyskillz on August 09, 2017, 05:51:45 PM
JT has been at Chelsea training ground as pictures on Pedro Instagram indicate I wonder  if Bruce golf  a buddy  I been  given night off  ?! Even if he doesn't play I feel it's only right esp as club captain to be at match  even if  Carabao Cup tie. What are others thoughts on this ?? Him hanging out at Chelsea and not moving on . Colchester is Essex right Cobham isn't !
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: IFWaters on August 09, 2017, 06:52:02 PM
JT has been at Chelsea training ground as pictures on Pedro Instagram indicate I wonder  if Bruce golf  a buddy  I been  given night off  ?! Even if he doesn't play I feel it's only right esp as club captain to be at match  even if  Carabao Cup tie. What are others thoughts on this ?? Him hanging out at Chelsea and not moving on . Colchester is Essex right Cobham isn't !
100% agree.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 09, 2017, 07:02:20 PM
His family home is still in Cobham and he commutes to Brum most days and I presume stays up here for the weekend games.

Wednesday is the day off so imagine those not involved tonight would be left to do what they want.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: PeterWithe on August 09, 2017, 07:05:36 PM
He stays at the Belfry, my mate met him last week, said he was great which was a disappointment as he really wanted to hate him.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on August 09, 2017, 07:33:32 PM
He isnt going to move on from his affection for Chelsea, we shouldnt expect him to. I loathe the tossers but he won everything there and clearly has a lot of friends so its understandable.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 09, 2017, 07:57:17 PM
Wrong thread!
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: stuart445 on August 12, 2017, 08:48:10 PM
Still think Terry was a good idea? We've just come up against a little bit of pace and we got ripped apart.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: LukeJames on August 12, 2017, 08:52:18 PM
I stand by my comments that this was an ego boost signing for Xia. the pathetic ribbing of Blues on twitter after we signed him still makes me cringe.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: ozzjim on August 12, 2017, 08:55:46 PM
What I don't get is why we have not give 3 5 2 with one of the 3 having some pace to compensate for Terry having none. 
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chris Jameson on August 12, 2017, 09:03:33 PM
I still hate John Terry.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: curiousorange on August 12, 2017, 09:08:30 PM
Terry's always going to get done for pace. He needs to be in a three or a sweeper. But his ego and contract probably won't allow it.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: MoetVillan on August 12, 2017, 09:50:59 PM
I still hate John Terry.

This
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: john e on August 12, 2017, 10:00:02 PM
I'm sure he's better than most in this division even now at his age
but I thought he was a racist tosspot when he was at Chelsea and I'm not going to change my mind now just because he's our new club captain
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: KevinGage on August 12, 2017, 10:05:55 PM
Was decent last week, so -if we judging purely by performance- way too early to say he's lost it.

Mebbe he channeled the negative energy from Chelsea's collapse, living their pain. Kinda like the ET/Elliott relationship.

JT go home.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: clash city rocker on August 12, 2017, 10:25:11 PM
I would imagine that after the managers and coaches he has played under, he walks onto the training ground and thinks WTF.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: WarszaVillan on August 12, 2017, 10:46:40 PM
A crap footballer, but seems like a decent bloke.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chris Jameson on August 12, 2017, 10:49:16 PM
A crap footballer, but seems like a decent bloke.

Who? John Terry?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: KevinGage on August 12, 2017, 10:58:53 PM
A crap footballer, but seems like a decent bloke.

Think you might have it arse about face there. 

But assume you're being sar car stic.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 13, 2017, 01:15:45 AM
I still hate John Terry.

This

A million times this.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on August 13, 2017, 09:04:50 AM
I stand by my comments that this was an ego boost signing for Xia. the pathetic ribbing of Blues on twitter after we signed him still makes me cringe.

Agree, i like the bloke but he reminds me of a kid in a sweet shop. He is going to find out the hard way unfortunately
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: clash city rocker on August 13, 2017, 09:29:26 AM
I'm not a fan of JT but I think he could do a job for us this season. However he will quickly become disinterested and count the days down to the end of the season as he has played under some of the best managers around and now he is playing for SB.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: mr underhill on August 13, 2017, 09:36:22 AM
we should never have signed him and frankly I was amazed at the positive reception he had on the opening day and the amount of Terry shirts I saw. Once a cnunt always a cnunt
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Ads on August 13, 2017, 10:03:40 AM
Still think Terry was a good idea? We've just come up against a little bit of pace and we got ripped apart.

Chester and Hutton struggled with the pace. Terry didn't.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: LeeB on August 13, 2017, 12:45:30 PM
Still think Terry was a good idea? We've just come up against a little bit of pace and we got ripped apart.

Chester and Hutton struggled with the pace. Terry didn't.

The highlights were almost comedic, Hutton getting skinned down the outside early on and turning around to give a generic bollocking to the rest of the team.
Cut to next highlight of him absolutely shanking an easy clearance on the edge of his box, I think leading to the goal.

I say 'I think' because I can't bear to watch it again and check.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Matt Collins on August 13, 2017, 12:52:49 PM
I'm not watching them
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: LeeB on August 13, 2017, 03:19:27 PM
I'm not watching them

You've got to do it once, you pussy.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: adrenachrome on August 13, 2017, 10:21:10 PM
we should never have signed him and frankly I was amazed at the positive reception he had on the opening day and the amount of Terry shirts I saw. Once a cnunt always a cnunt

I was on my way to Lords a week ago to witness the Bears'  unlikely annihalation of the current County Champions. The tube trains were packed with Chelsea and Arse fans and many of whose wearing blue shirts had Terry's name on the back.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: aj2k77 on August 15, 2017, 01:57:39 PM
http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2017/08/15/leroy-rosenior-slates-john-terrys-start-at-aston-villa/ (http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2017/08/15/leroy-rosenior-slates-john-terrys-start-at-aston-villa/)

Not great if true.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Monty on August 15, 2017, 01:59:12 PM
Well for fuck's sake how embarrassing.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on August 15, 2017, 02:01:06 PM


“He does three days at Villa, and does his recovery at Stamford Bridge. He’s being spotted in the ice bath with the Chelsea players still. He’s got to let it go. He’s a Villa player. He’s supposed to be captain.”

He shouldn't even be in London with our current two games a week schedule. I said at the time i wasn't sure about the deal, as i was more than happy with our defence last season (Hutton apart) and i'm sure the wages on Terry could've been put to better use elsewhere

But as long as he's here he'll get my full support
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Hookeysmith on August 15, 2017, 02:04:56 PM
http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2017/08/15/leroy-rosenior-slates-john-terrys-start-at-aston-villa/ (http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2017/08/15/leroy-rosenior-slates-john-terrys-start-at-aston-villa/)

Not great if true.

Although it feels a little unpalatable I can understand it

The guy, his family and kids have been settled in London for the last 20+ years so he is hardly going to uproot all of them to move to Birmingham - especially on only a 1 year contract same as I would not expect him to commute up the motorway 5/6 days per week.

I work by having an office in Manchester and one in Brum - I spend 3 days up there and 2 here as to bash that M6 each day or to be away from home for 5 days is a none starter.

He has to keep fit so being able to use the facilities at another club is a benefit - maybe some of the techniques they have might rub off on him and in turn our club - lets face it not going to happen with Bruce!

I would imagine this concession was a major factor in him joining us
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Tuscans on August 15, 2017, 02:09:05 PM
http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2017/08/15/leroy-rosenior-slates-john-terrys-start-at-aston-villa/ (http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2017/08/15/leroy-rosenior-slates-john-terrys-start-at-aston-villa/)

Not great if true.
Probably not true. Rosenior struggles for work since the Championship was scoffed up by Sky and I think he's trying his hardest to be heard. What a boring article, there's nothing there, and if it was true then so what, who really cares. Going 2 hours down the road back home for an ice bath....crack on.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chris Jameson on August 15, 2017, 02:36:36 PM
Rosenior who has a contract with Premier League Brighton? Wish I struggled for work in a similar fashion.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: footyskillz on August 15, 2017, 02:42:42 PM
Personally I rather him immerse him self in villa culture and be bonding with villa team mates off field.
It's only a year . Needs to take on job and be local . Rosenior is right about letting go I question the other day when he appeared in Instagram photos .
Unlikely to build team spirit when the ex is around . You're with us now JT. This has gone Charles Diana and Camilla  sniff about it . Similar  scenario
We needed a  Paul burrel loyalty not this 3 days non committal business
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: aj2k77 on August 15, 2017, 02:53:01 PM
Top post, never thought I'd see a Princess Dianna and John Terry together in a football analogy.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: AVH87 on August 15, 2017, 02:57:48 PM
Rosenior who has a contract with Premier League Brighton? Wish I struggled for work in a similar fashion.

That's Liam Rosenior.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Simon Page on August 15, 2017, 03:38:54 PM
With the obvious caveat of "if this is true", this is the sort of thing I hate to see happen. I'd have no problem with this if he was brought in to add a bit of matchday brilliance which really moves us on. But I have a problem with him being captain yet not committing to the club totally. We aren't a retirement home for the self-entitled and, while I've no doubt Terry is the most accomplished player on our books, he's not so vital that we need to have him as highest paid, club captain, working from home, etc. It's never good when players get treated this way, either for the team as a whole or the player himself. I don't know why the club would think it was a good idea to accept this.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Joshua Fineman on August 15, 2017, 03:49:53 PM
Can't be true, surely?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: tomd2103 on August 15, 2017, 04:15:56 PM
Rosenior who has a contract with Premier League Brighton? Wish I struggled for work in a similar fashion.

That's Liam Rosenior.

Leroy is the Dad!!  Last seen doing the Football League show with Maniche that was on the BBC at a ridiculously late time.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chris Jameson on August 15, 2017, 04:19:15 PM
My mistake, know that Liam is a columnist for The Guardian now, just didn't read properly. Nothing anybody ever says about John Terry will upset me, unless they say he's a great bloke.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Nev on August 15, 2017, 04:32:33 PM
If it is true, it's just the sort of thing I expected when we signed him, not terrible in the grand scheme of things but not ideal either.

Wasn't there a story that Pires being driven chauffeur driven up from London every day or some such? Either way, that didn't turn out very well and my fear is the same for our big summer signing. Yet again, I hope I am way off the mark.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 15, 2017, 04:37:05 PM
Personally I rather him immerse him self in villa culture and be bonding with villa team mates off field.
It's only a year . Needs to take on job and be local . Rosenior is right about letting go I question the other day when he appeared in Instagram photos .
Unlikely to build team spirit when the ex is around . You're with us now JT. This has gone Charles Diana and Camilla  sniff about it . Similar  scenario
We needed a  Paul burrel loyalty not this 3 days non committal business
Paul Burrel loyalty, you mean in a few years time the Aston Villa trophy cabinets, nets and goal posts will all turn up mysteriously in JTs garage?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Ads on August 15, 2017, 04:40:38 PM
Hasn't stopped him being good. Maybe Chester should train with the Bitters after his abominable display.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: cheltenhamlion on August 15, 2017, 05:52:54 PM
I didn't see him dishing out monumental bollockings for the shit we were enduring on Saturday and that is something I did expect.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: AV5nobs on August 15, 2017, 06:08:47 PM
Bollockings should be left for the dressing room, to which we are not privy.

But if they have not occurred there then I'm with you 100%.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: CT on August 15, 2017, 06:13:27 PM
I didn't see him dishing out monumental bollockings for the shit we were enduring on Saturday and that is something I did expect.

Exactly. I was led to believe he wouldn't accept second best from anyone. Captain, leader and all that.

Maybe the BMH curse has hit him too.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: cheltenhamlion on August 15, 2017, 06:33:48 PM
I didn't see him dishing out monumental bollockings for the shit we were enduring on Saturday and that is something I did expect.

Exactly. I was led to believe he wouldn't accept second best from anyone. Captain, leader and all that.

Maybe the BMH curse has hit him too.

If it has then it can stop tonight. We wanted him not so much for his ability but to lead the team. If he isn't leading them then it was a bad signing. Terry needs to be admonishing his colleagues every game until they get their shit together. It might just save Bruce his job.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: KevinGage on August 15, 2017, 06:36:57 PM

Wasn't there a story that Pires being driven chauffeur driven up from London every day or some such? Either way, that didn't turn out very well and my fear is the same for our big summer signing. Yet again, I hope I am way off the mark.

If that is the price to be paid for getting players a level or two beyond what you're used to, most sides would pay it.  The issue with us at the time is that 57 year old Robert Pires wasn't a cut above at that stage in his career. He wasn't giving us anywhere near enough on the pitch to justify preferential treatment.

And Houllier had insisted that all other players must live within a 30 minute commute from Bodymoor Heath.  So I'm sure that went down well.  He (Houllier) might have had something earlier in his career. But those kind of divisive decisions and his rare gift for foot in mouth incidents from the getgo mean I don't look back at that period with fondness at all.

We pursued Terry over a fair chunk of the summer, for good or for ill.  And those conditions may have been the sticking point, which is why he didn't sign soon after the first link. If we agreed to it then (or made some sort of compromise) we can't really go back on that now.

It does increase the pressure on him to deliver though.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Simon Page on August 15, 2017, 06:49:34 PM
I question what Terry can realistically offer. He's a brilliant footballer and I've got no reason to doubt his commitment on the pitch, but he's a centre back. If, and I stress if, he's on wildly different terms to the rest of the squad he needs to be the difference between promotion and not. Given our issues, I don't think he can be. I don't blame Terry for that but, again if true, I do blame the manager/club for allowing a situation where we've accommodated in a position we don't need to accommodate in. If we've got spare cash and exceptional circumstances to give away, give it to a midfield playmaker or a striker that our "style" suits. It's a side issue given everything that is not right with the club, but the Terry deal feels Schmeichel-esque in its pointlessness.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: brian green on August 15, 2017, 07:03:23 PM
It all has a very Sherwoodian feel about it. 
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: villasjf on August 15, 2017, 07:04:52 PM
I think he will walk away after 10 matches
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chris Jameson on August 15, 2017, 08:06:02 PM
I hope he does. I don't like John Terry.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Three Spires Villa on August 15, 2017, 10:14:27 PM
Made a great difference so far
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: itbrvilla on August 15, 2017, 10:15:39 PM
Made a great difference so far
Why did we sign this fuckwit?  I wish I knew.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 15, 2017, 10:16:22 PM
Chester really struggling alongside him which is a big worry.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Deano's Mullet on August 15, 2017, 10:17:05 PM
On the money he's on its hard to drop him too
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Matt Collins on August 15, 2017, 10:32:03 PM
And if he does walk away we've got zero cover - except Elphick and samba

Agree Chester struggling
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Deano's Mullet on August 15, 2017, 10:32:44 PM
There's always Nathan Baker.... oh, bugger.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: myf on August 15, 2017, 10:34:18 PM
A fucking masterstroke. Well done to all concerned
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: aj2k77 on August 15, 2017, 10:35:35 PM
Vanity signing, we've destabilized one of the better defences last season.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 15, 2017, 10:36:15 PM
What a leader he's proving to be!
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Clampy on August 15, 2017, 10:36:22 PM
Chester really struggling alongside him which is a big worry.

Chester's best game so far this season was down at Colchester. I personally think taking the captaincy off him was a mistake.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chris Jameson on August 15, 2017, 10:37:14 PM
If it was any other club I'd be loving watching Terry struggling in a really terrible team.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: olaftab on August 15, 2017, 11:05:06 PM
I think he will walk away after 10 matches
I think in his 26th match he will asked to be subbed at 26 minutes and 26 minutes after the game finishes he will catch number 26 bus and will never be seen again.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Risso on August 15, 2017, 11:05:49 PM
Chester really struggling alongside him which is a big worry.

Chester's best game so far this season was down at Colchester. I personally think taking the captaincy off him was a mistake.

I agree.  I've never seen him play as badly as he did against Cardiff, think he made mistakes in that one game than he did in the whole of last season. 
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 15, 2017, 11:07:05 PM
Dosen't sound like he was much better tonight.

Chester was on the whole pretty good last season, him and Baker were a solid combination bar the odd poor game.

I wonder what the issue is...
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Risso on August 15, 2017, 11:07:57 PM
On ability, Terry should be the best defender in the division by a country mile, and with Chester who was very good last season, we should at least look competent in defence.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: adrenachrome on August 15, 2017, 11:13:20 PM
Chester really struggling alongside him which is a big worry.

Chester's best game so far this season was down at Colchester. I personally think taking the captaincy off him was a mistake.

I agree.  I've never seen him play as badly as he did against Cardiff, think he made mistakes in that one game than he did in the whole of last season.

That is very possible as it must have been a blow to his confidence and self-esteem. On the other hand, it could be he is not comfortable playing on the left side of CD with Terry. In fact, Baker/Chester was far superior to Chester/Terry. It happens.

Of course, sometimes central defensive partnerships take time to gel. But I don't want to go there.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chris Jameson on August 15, 2017, 11:17:37 PM
Terry could go down as the worst and most pointless signing in our history. To be honest though he was never going to win me over, he's easily my most hated Villa player in my most hated squad of players ever. Takes some doing when the likes of Agbonlahor and Richards were already stinking the place out.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Risso on August 15, 2017, 11:24:22 PM
It was always going to be a risk.  Taking a player who was Mr Chelsea, who'd spent pretty well his entire career winning trophies surrounded by world class players and then dropping him into a club as hopeless and badly run as Villa was probably never going to work out well.  It must be extremely difficult to take, going from playing with the likes of Azpilicueta and Luiz to then watching rubbish like Hutton and Taylor hopelessly knocking 50 yard hoofs to nobody in particular.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: sickbeggar on August 15, 2017, 11:45:17 PM
Blaming Terry for chester playing shit is a bit like blaming Kodjia for Gabby. You only have to see the stats to see the problem. We can't pass the ball, so we can't keep the ball. Any defence is gonna struggle and be put under pressure with that mess in front of it
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 15, 2017, 11:46:51 PM
It's too early to say if Terry is the problem, especially for Chester's form. But i'm going to blame the twat anyway.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Three Spires Villa on August 16, 2017, 09:38:50 AM
I would say that taking the captains armband from Chester, was a massive, massive mistake. He was my player of the season (with JK) did nothing wrong. Bruce says we got over excited about getting in John Terry, well Mr Bruce, I didn't and lots of people I know didn't
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: RussellC on August 16, 2017, 09:42:45 AM
there was a good call into TalkSport after the game last night, noting that at Chelsea Terry was constantly 'in the ear' of the referee, cajoling his team-mates and generally leading the team. In his first 3 games at Villa he literally looks like he's strolling around. He's not made any mistakes, per se, but we're paying him stupid money to do what hie did for Chelsea, not just a slightly less adequate (and decade older) version of Nathan Baker. It looks like a an absolute clanger from Bruce so far.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Rudy65 on August 16, 2017, 09:47:44 AM
On ability, Terry should be the best defender in the division by a country mile, and with Chester who was very good last season, we should at least look competent in defence.

Maybe he "was" but after barely playing last season perhaps his legs and his motivation have gone. He hasn't certainly taken a step down from the quality of managers and players he played with for 15 odd years
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Risso on August 16, 2017, 11:06:39 AM
I like how Bruce reckons it was the fans getting carried away with the signing of Terry, when it was Fistface himself that was blathering on about how Terry finding a waiter to play guitar for him on his initiation song proved what a fine organiser and leader of men he was.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Tugby Villain on August 16, 2017, 11:09:17 AM
I like how Bruce reckons it was the fans getting carried away with the signing of Terry, when it was Fistface himself that was blathering on about how Terry finding a waiter to play guitar for him on his initiation song proved what a fine organiser and leader of men he was.

Quite.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: aev on August 16, 2017, 11:10:24 AM
My cousin reckons that Terry will be our manager by Christmas.

I replied that I think he will have been sacked by then.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chris Jameson on August 16, 2017, 11:10:57 AM
Did he pick up an injury last night? Going to the Norwich match and really don't want to see him in a Villa shirt. My son has got a season ticket to Harrogate Town this season, he'd rather watch non league, think it will probably be his first and last match at Villa Park this season.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: exigo on August 16, 2017, 12:50:57 PM
there was a good call into TalkSport after the game last night, noting that at Chelsea Terry was constantly 'in the ear' of the referee, cajoling his team-mates and generally leading the team. In his first 3 games at Villa he literally looks like he's strolling around. He's not made any mistakes, per se, but we're paying him stupid money to do what hie did for Chelsea, not just a slightly less adequate (and decade older) version of Nathan Baker. It looks like a an absolute clanger from Bruce so far.

Totally agree with this. And also he's not getting in the ears of the players around him. Last night, when their bloke was down getting treatment, Stam had got a number of players together to give them pointers. Bruce just scowled around the dugout, while Terry – and most of the players – just stood with their hands on hips. No fight, no leadership, no responsibility, no communication.

See also, every time Johnstone had the ball in his hands. Not one defender showing for the ball. They all just skulk off so that he has to hoof it long and watch it come back. We won about three bloody headers all night; and at no point did Terry – or anyone – say 'hang on a minute, we need to take control of this and change things around'.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: RussellC on August 16, 2017, 12:56:25 PM
See also, every time Johnstone had the ball in his hands. Not one defender showing for the ball. They all just skulk off so that he has to hoof it long and watch it come back.

Yeah, that was really irking me too. It happened so often that it must have been under instruction from Bruce. There was one point in the second half where De Laet did actually show for the ball and Johnstone waved him away to kick it long, straight back to an unchallenged Reading centre-back.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: jwarry on August 16, 2017, 01:01:03 PM
See also, every time Johnstone had the ball in his hands. Not one defender showing for the ball. They all just skulk off so that he has to hoof it long and watch it come back.

Yeah, that was really irking me too. It happened so often that it must have been under instruction from Bruce. There was one point in the second half where De Laet did actually show for the ball and Johnstone waved him away to kick it long, straight back to an unchallenged Reading centre-back.

And there lies the difference between a modern progressive manager like Stam and our dinosaur. Looked like the complete opposite for Reading players who clearly had been told not to hoof the ball at any cost
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: TheTimVilla on August 16, 2017, 01:59:23 PM
there was a good call into TalkSport after the game last night, noting that at Chelsea Terry was constantly 'in the ear' of the referee, cajoling his team-mates and generally leading the team. In his first 3 games at Villa he literally looks like he's strolling around. He's not made any mistakes, per se, but we're paying him stupid money to do what hie did for Chelsea, not just a slightly less adequate (and decade older) version of Nathan Baker. It looks like a an absolute clanger from Bruce so far.

Totally agree with this. And also he's not getting in the ears of the players around him. Last night, when their bloke was down getting treatment, Stam had got a number of players together to give them pointers. Bruce just scowled around the dugout, while Terry – and most of the players – just stood with their hands on hips. No fight, no leadership, no responsibility, no communication.

See also, every time Johnstone had the ball in his hands. Not one defender showing for the ball. They all just skulk off so that he has to hoof it long and watch it come back. We won about three bloody headers all night; and at no point did Terry – or anyone – say 'hang on a minute, we need to take control of this and change things around'.

Speaking of hands on hips during that injury break, why did Hogan wait to go off? The commentator said Gabby was ready to come on yet looking at Hogan, it seemed he was staying on the pitch! Until the ref was about to restart the match, he ambled off, absolutely no urgency whatsoever. Very bizarre.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: TheTimVilla on August 16, 2017, 02:00:50 PM
See also, every time Johnstone had the ball in his hands. Not one defender showing for the ball. They all just skulk off so that he has to hoof it long and watch it come back.

Yeah, that was really irking me too. It happened so often that it must have been under instruction from Bruce. There was one point in the second half where De Laet did actually show for the ball and Johnstone waved him away to kick it long, straight back to an unchallenged Reading centre-back.

Similarly, poor Neil Taylor got so attached to the ball he could barely manage to throw it. Waiting far too long just to lob it to nobody in particular.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: RussellC on August 16, 2017, 02:05:01 PM
In Taylor's defence it did always look like Onomah was the only player upon who it had dawned to actually move and show for the ball from throw-ons. Another example of how un-rehearsed we are as a side.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: TheTimVilla on August 16, 2017, 02:08:06 PM
In Taylor's defence it did always look like Onomah was the only player upon who it had dawned to actually move and show for the ball from throw-ons. Another example of how un-rehearsed we are as a side.

I am indeed impressed with the way Whelan hides behind his man at throw ins!
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 16, 2017, 02:09:34 PM
In fairness, Whelan had probably never seen a short throw before leaving Stoke.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: London Villan on August 16, 2017, 05:36:41 PM
Our throw-in have been poor for years, normally waist high and difficult to control, I lose count every match of how many times we give the ball away after our throw-ins.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: class-of-82 on August 16, 2017, 05:45:54 PM
throw ins ??
not that it should have its own thread but why oh why do we allow the opposing team to determine the line at throw ins. its been happening for years now when we are within 25-30 yards from the opposition box why doesn't one of our players go and stand on the goal line as you cant be offside from a throw in then it throws the complete team team onside
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on August 17, 2017, 08:26:16 AM
Has Terry shown any leadership as Captain, so far this season? I haven't seen any games yet, but the results and manner of performances would seem to indicate that he's contributed very little and had an adverse effect on Chester.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: RussellC on August 17, 2017, 08:37:22 AM
throw ins ??
not that it should have its own thread but why oh why do we allow the opposing team to determine the line at throw ins. its been happening for years now when we are within 25-30 yards from the opposition box why doesn't one of our players go and stand on the goal line as you cant be offside from a throw in then it throws the complete team team onside

The only time in living memory that I can remember the team ever having looked like they had anything even vaguely resembling a routine at throw-ins was under MON, when Carew would always drop into wherever the throw was being taken, and the player who’s position he was occupying would push-on 5 yards higher up the pitch to collect the flick that Carew would inevitably win. A really, really simple thing, and one that probably took no more than 10 minutes on the training ground and a quick reminder before the game, but one that was so effective in allowing us to keep possession of the ball so often. I don’t even think that should be classed as ‘attention to detail’, just basic footballing strategy, but it’s been sorely missing ever since MON left.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chris Jameson on August 18, 2017, 10:46:17 AM
Said this before but there was a match under Lambert (I think) where there were 3 foul throws penalised by the referee, two from Villa. I've never seen that happen more than once in a match apart from an Under 9's match my son was playing in.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Duncan Shaw on August 18, 2017, 11:30:15 AM
throw ins ??
not that it should have its own thread but why oh why do we allow the opposing team to determine the line at throw ins. its been happening for years now when we are within 25-30 yards from the opposition box why doesn't one of our players go and stand on the goal line as you cant be offside from a throw in then it throws the complete team team onside

The only time in living memory that I can remember the team ever having looked like they had anything even vaguely resembling a routine at throw-ins was under MON, when Carew would always drop into wherever the throw was being taken, and the player who’s position he was occupying would push-on 5 yards higher up the pitch to collect the flick that Carew would inevitably win. A really, really simple thing, and one that probably took no more than 10 minutes on the training ground and a quick reminder before the game, but one that was so effective in allowing us to keep possession of the ball so often. I don’t even think that should be classed as ‘attention to detail’, just basic footballing strategy, but it’s been sorely missing ever since MON left.

Don't start me on throw ins!  Against Colchester.......yes Colchester of the bottom division......we constantly gave the ball away from a throw in, whereas nearly every throw they took quickly and managed to find a man in acres of space.   Whereas we dillied and dallied and when we eventually took it our only obvious target was marked by three men!
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: cheltenhamlion on August 18, 2017, 06:00:56 PM
And fucking corners. Why do we never leave a man on the halfway line when defending one? Others do it against us.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: class-of-82 on August 18, 2017, 07:24:19 PM
also why don't we leave 2 men on the half way line at corners
opposing teams never leave it 1 on 1 so there would be 3 defenders plus goalie which means we always have 2 men over in defence.
also why aren't our full backs told to peel off to the wings like gidman Gibson swain Williams always did when our goalie collected the ball which suddenly put us on the attack.
just basic basic footballing drills which seem to have been lost
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Drummond on August 25, 2017, 07:30:58 PM
Has Terry shown any leadership as Captain, so far this season?

Based on what Bruce just said about him driving himself to Colchester and going into changing room to shake the young players' hands, yes.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Villa75 on August 25, 2017, 07:38:59 PM
Has Terry shown any leadership as Captain, so far this season?

Based on what Bruce just said about him driving himself to Colchester and going into changing room to shake the young players' hands, yes.

I'll be honest. I'm more concerned with what he brings on the pitch. I've not seen much in the way of progress. In fact, defensively, we look poorer than we did most of last season.

I was expecting more.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Ad@m on August 25, 2017, 08:41:44 PM
Well done Terry for being arsed to turn up to watch a team that's paying you £60k a week.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: olaftab on August 25, 2017, 09:44:14 PM
Shit again tonight. How long do we persevere with him?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Axl Rose on August 25, 2017, 09:47:05 PM
Shit again tonight. How long do we persevere with him?

He looks uncomfortable to me, Aftab. He's certainly not living up to his 'legend, leader etc etc' tag.

Right,back to bed, and up at 9 for work. We didn't lose. That's always a plus after getting up at 3:45am to watch the game.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 25, 2017, 09:47:48 PM
Was very lucky not to concede a pen imo.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: olaftab on August 25, 2017, 09:48:35 PM
Well done fella. I wish we had won it for you.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Deano's Mullet on August 25, 2017, 09:53:36 PM
Liability. Chester is still by far our best defender. Bree did well tonight too I thought once he was on.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: brontebilly on August 25, 2017, 10:04:51 PM
Mentally not turned in tonight
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chris Jameson on August 25, 2017, 10:20:45 PM
Remind me why we signed captain bell end?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: TonyD on August 25, 2017, 10:37:00 PM
He looks a bit adrift from his fellow defenders.   I think it could be he is used to working with a very well drilled team.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: passport1 on August 25, 2017, 10:42:42 PM
He was always very well protected at Chelsea with good players in front and beside him. He won't get that protection with us and with age against him will get exposed time and time again. He does however' bring a winning mentality', whatever use that is.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: QuintonVilla on August 25, 2017, 10:43:31 PM
Baker > Terry
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: tomd2103 on August 25, 2017, 10:47:01 PM
Looks a bad decision already, as many of us feared it would be.  Think we would have been far better looking at someone like Roberts who Blues signed or Flint from Bristol City. 
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 25, 2017, 10:49:34 PM
Man of the match performance tonight.






For Bristol City
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: tomd2103 on August 25, 2017, 10:50:21 PM
Was very lucky not to concede a pen imo.

Agree, the one in the first half looked bad.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: KRS on August 26, 2017, 12:25:03 AM
For whatever reason, he's certainly not living up to expectations and the defensive unit looks all over the place at times. Whether or not he's having a hard time bedding into a new team as others players do is open for debate, but the fact that he only played 14 games last season and spent most of his time warming the bench may have something more to do with him being off the pace.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 26, 2017, 12:34:59 AM
I think his and our problem is he has realised he is playing for an idiot.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Villatillidie1982 on August 26, 2017, 12:53:15 AM
Too slow and off the pace.all of the handballs were accidental because he was too slow to react. Get rid.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chris Jameson on August 26, 2017, 12:56:31 AM
He's living up to my expectations. I'd sooner he left the club than Bruce.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: KRS on August 26, 2017, 03:22:24 AM
I think his and our problem is he has realised he is playing for an idiot.
You may be right. There were numerous times tonight where you saw the expressions on the players faces and looking over to the bench as if to say "What the fuck is going on? You don't know what you're doing" in particular from both Chester and Terry.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Axl Rose on August 26, 2017, 05:06:16 AM
Well done fella. I wish we had won it for you.

So do I. Haha.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Ads on August 26, 2017, 09:39:14 AM
He's easily the best centre half in the league. He doesn't get out of first gear and appears the tallest player on the pitch.

He used his reputation to good effect. You don't give penalties against EBJT for hand ball. We didn't get it August 2013 at Stamford Bridge, some second division never beens won't be getting them either.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: olaftab on August 26, 2017, 09:54:29 AM
He's easily the best centre half in the league. He doesn't get out of first gear and appears the tallest player on the pitch.

He used his reputation to good effect. You don't give penalties against EBJT for hand ball. We didn't get it August 2013 at Stamford Bridge, some second division never beens won't be getting them either.
That's fantastic. 
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Ads on August 26, 2017, 09:56:54 AM
Auto corrected.. should have said calmest.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 26, 2017, 10:06:57 AM
Still to keep a clean sheet with him in the team.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: footyskillz on September 18, 2017, 10:26:31 AM
Was at Stamford Bridge to watch Chelsea v Arsenal yesterday...still seems to love going there and not moving on.

Tbh no issue just like to have Nathan baker come watch us sometime !

I think if JT has an injury he'll be straight on chelsea tv and on media for Chelsea champions league matches .


Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: VillaBoy_23 on September 18, 2017, 10:42:34 AM
He was our best player on Saturday. As long as he keeps performing like that he can do what he wants his days off.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: darren woolley on September 18, 2017, 11:11:16 AM
He's easily the best centre half in the league. He doesn't get out of first gear and appears the tallest player on the pitch.

He used his reputation to good effect. You don't give penalties against EBJT for hand ball. We didn't get it August 2013 at Stamford Bridge, some second division never beens won't be getting them either.

I have to agree with you Ads spot on.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: footyskillz on September 18, 2017, 11:20:13 AM
Well sure he's here to do a job for villa and as long as he does that - 3 clean sheets in row - then I should not grumble too much  !
I be interested what he does if we get promoted when we play them provided chelsea are nt relegated of course !
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chris Jameson on September 18, 2017, 11:20:20 AM
I still hate him.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Diablo on September 18, 2017, 11:30:09 AM
Well sure he's here to do a job for villa and as long as he does that - 3 clean sheets in row - then I should not grumble too much  !
I be interested what he does if we get promoted when we play them provided chelsea are nt relegated of course !

Best case scenario (arguably in a parallel universe)... promotion this season, Chelsea relegated, Terry rejoins Chelsea (Men in Black zap everyone to alter our collective memory and make us forget ...fill in your own blank?) ;-) 
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 18, 2017, 11:35:41 AM
I still hate him.

So do I. I still get a bit of sick in my mouth when I see him in a Villa shirt. That said, as he's here I hope he keeps playing well.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Jimbo on September 18, 2017, 11:42:39 AM
I hate John Terry, so I detoxified him, de-Terryfied him, if you like. He's now Gerald Appleyard, a previously unknown quantity from the lower leagues. He looks like a bit of a ******, but he's quickly becoming one of our most accomplished defenders. It works.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Diablo on September 18, 2017, 12:12:29 PM
I hate John Terry, so I detoxified him, de-Terryfied him, if you like. He's now Gerald Appleyard, a previously unknown quantity from the lower leagues. He looks like a bit of a c***, but he's quickly becoming one of our most accomplished defenders. It works.

Gerald Appleyard it is then
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: paul_e on September 18, 2017, 12:30:21 PM
Was at Stamford Bridge to watch Chelsea v Arsenal yesterday...still seems to love going there and not moving on.

Tbh no issue just like to have Nathan baker come watch us sometime !

I think if JT has an injury he'll be straight on chelsea tv and on media for Chelsea champions league matches .

Why Baker?  Why not Albrighton who was fucked about and pushed out of the club but still comes to a fair number of games even though he's got a league winners medal.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Diablo on September 18, 2017, 12:36:14 PM
Was at Stamford Bridge to watch Chelsea v Arsenal yesterday...still seems to love going there and not moving on.

Tbh no issue just like to have Nathan baker come watch us sometime !

I think if JT has an injury he'll be straight on chelsea tv and on media for Chelsea champions league matches .

Why Baker?  Why not Albrighton who was fucked about and pushed out of the club but still comes to a fair number of games even though he's got a league winners medal.

Possibly Baker from a positional (and replacement) point of view? And I maybe wrong but hasn't Albrighton been back to watch us since he left?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on September 18, 2017, 12:57:46 PM
And Hourihane has been back to watch Barnsley. 

No issues here, all I care about is what he does on the pitch and can he lead us to promotion?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: tomd2103 on September 18, 2017, 01:00:16 PM
And Hourihane has been back to watch Barnsley. 

No issues here, all I care about is what he does on the pitch and can he lead us to promotion?

With that in mind, I thought Saturday was his best game for us so far.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: paul_e on September 18, 2017, 01:00:16 PM
Was at Stamford Bridge to watch Chelsea v Arsenal yesterday...still seems to love going there and not moving on.

Tbh no issue just like to have Nathan baker come watch us sometime !

I think if JT has an injury he'll be straight on chelsea tv and on media for Chelsea champions league matches .

Why Baker?  Why not Albrighton who was fucked about and pushed out of the club but still comes to a fair number of games even though he's got a league winners medal.

Possibly Baker from a positional (and replacement) point of view? And I maybe wrong but hasn't Albrighton been back to watch us since he left?

Yes, lots of times, that's why I used him as the example. Some players will join a club as a fan or develop a strong affinity whilst playing.  It just seemed strange to single out Baker when there's plenty of other former players who don't come to games and then used Marc as an example of a former player who clearly still has a great love for the club.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Drummond on September 18, 2017, 01:02:27 PM
I enjoyed watching him on Saturday. Accomplished, calm, aware and in the right place at the right time. I thought he was great.

But yes, as an individual he's still unpleasant.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Ads on September 18, 2017, 02:25:19 PM
And Hourihane has been back to watch Barnsley. 

No issues here, all I care about is what he does on the pitch and can he lead us to promotion?

Marcy-Marc has been to watch us a good number of times as well.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Drummond on September 18, 2017, 02:32:31 PM
From Talksport interview with Snodgrass.

Snodgrass has been impressed by Terry’s impact since arriving at the club, claiming the former England skipper has been working to change the mood around Villa Park ‘like the leader he is’.

“John’s been great,” Snodgrass added. “It’s sort of different for John, where he’s been at Chelsea for years and it’s a new sort of set up for him.

“He’s come in and had to meet new lads, and slowly but surely implement his character on the changing room. It’s not been shouting to the rooftops… it’s just been quietly going about like the leader he is, trying to change little things here and there. Because it is different when you move clubs.

“He’s had to go in, and I think he’s been asked by the manager to try and get things and standards and lifting everybody. And he’s doing that well, but it takes time sometimes.”
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 18, 2017, 02:44:31 PM
I still hate him.

I endorse this.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chris Jameson on September 18, 2017, 03:20:42 PM

“He’s come in and had to meet new lads, and slowly but surely implement his character on the changing room.

Oh god.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: darren woolley on September 18, 2017, 04:16:35 PM
I just hope he can get us promoted as captain I'm being optimistic but got to be positive.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Drummond on September 18, 2017, 05:19:44 PM

“He’s come in and had to meet new lads, and slowly but surely implement his character on the changing room.

Oh god.

Yep, he susses out whether they go home after training or not then nips round to their gaff before sloping back off to Lahndan.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 18, 2017, 05:44:34 PM

“He’s come in and had to meet new lads, and slowly but surely implement his character on the changing room.

Oh god.

Yep, he susses out whether they go home after training or not then nips round to their gaff before sloping back off to Lahndan.

Surrey. The man is the living embodiment of Surrey. Essex with its teeth whitened.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Gregorys Boy on September 18, 2017, 06:37:41 PM
Probably had his best game for us on Saturday.  Still don't like the prick ::)
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: sickbeggar on September 18, 2017, 11:08:06 PM
He's behaved great since he arrived, certainly better than half our players the last few seasons. More importantly he seems to be a positive influence on the players. If you can't get past the tabloid crap then perhaps it's best you pretend he's Mr Applyard
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: footyskillz on September 18, 2017, 11:33:03 PM
Was at Stamford Bridge to watch Chelsea v Arsenal yesterday...still seems to love going there and not moving on.

Tbh no issue just like to have Nathan baker come watch us sometime !

I think if JT has an injury he'll be straight on chelsea tv and on media for Chelsea champions league matches .

Why Baker?  Why not Albrighton who was fucked about and pushed out of the club but still comes to a fair number of games even though he's got a league winners medal.

Possibly Baker from a positional (and replacement) point of view? And I maybe wrong but hasn't Albrighton been back to watch us since he left?

Yes, lots of times, that's why I used him as the example. Some players will join a club as a fan or develop a strong affinity whilst playing.  It just seemed strange to single out Baker when there's plenty of other former players who don't come to games and then used Marc as an example of a former player who clearly still has a great love for the club.

As example really just like JT replaced Bakes.
Baker had been villa ages and I liked him .
As mentioned as long as promoted doesn't matter in scheme of things just I like villa captain to embodies villa and be alot more  villa orientated.

Rather it's all the photos and things at Chelsea all the time with the players . Recent one being youth player who gonna play in league cup.

I'd like the villa captain going to villa under 23matches .
Encouraging or at least seen to be encouraging villa set up.
Love or Hate the guy must take advantage of his prestige and use him off field to promote club

Baker would be more appreciated if he was captain and promoting  us but we have  Terry and he's his replacement that's all . In my minds seems make sense.

Albrighton is good example of villa fan .
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: ktvillan on September 19, 2017, 12:01:42 AM
I'm not that bothered by Terry's character or past but re-christening him Gerald Appleyard is just comic genius.  He should be known as nothing else henceforth.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on September 19, 2017, 12:05:11 AM
Terry is never going to stop loving Chelsea. We shouldn't expect it. If he keeps being the solid pro and putting in performances like Saturday then thats more than good enough for me. I am pleased with how he is working out. He doesnt seem to look down on us nor make trouble off or on the pitch. Good stuff so far.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: KRS on September 19, 2017, 12:10:23 AM
No complaints here. Its taken a few games for him to settle in and for Chester to adjust his game, but its looking like they are starting to build a good partnership and understanding so hopefully they will continue to improve and give us a strong foundation at the back.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Diablo on September 19, 2017, 12:22:44 AM
I though Gerald Appleyard had a good game on Saturday I'm pleased he seems to be finding his feet and settling in. One Gerald Appleyard, there's only one Gerald Appleyard!!
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on September 19, 2017, 12:30:16 AM
I though Gerald Appleyard had a good game on Saturday I'm pleased he seems to be finding his feet and settling in. One Gerald Appleyeard, there's only one Gerald Appleyard!!

One of our own, he's one of our own!  ;D
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: martyn ellis on September 19, 2017, 06:23:23 AM
It's not like this site is encrypted or anything. Reasoned criticism of one of our players is acceptable in my book, but personal abuse is uncalled for and potentially counter-productive, (I just hope he doesn't log into this site to check up on what we are saying about him) especially as, as far as I can see, he's behaved perfectly well since being here and is slowly imposing himself on the pitch and apparently in the dressing room too. Always think the best of people and you may get the best out of them.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Damo70 on September 19, 2017, 07:46:14 AM
It's not like this site is encrypted or anything. Reasoned criticism of one of our players is acceptable in my book, but personal abuse is uncalled for and potentially counter-productive, (I just hope he doesn't log into this site to check up on what we are saying about him) especially as, as far as I can see, he's behaved perfectly well since being here and is slowly imposing himself on the pitch and apparently in the dressing room too. Always think the best of people and you may get the best out of them.


I think he is getting better for us game by game. I care about his private life about as much as he cares about mine.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Dave on September 19, 2017, 07:47:06 AM
I just hope he doesn't log into this site to check up on what we are saying about him

I would bet every penny I own that he doesn't.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: MoetVillan on September 19, 2017, 07:50:55 AM
I doubt he can read
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: brian green on September 19, 2017, 09:17:01 AM
He certainly can read a list of runners and riders but beyond that I suppose he has no need.  In all honesty I did not want him but I am very impressed by his quality and his conduct since he joined us.  I suspect that Aston Villa is a stepping stone into football management and he is trying to display maturity while cleaning up his image.  We help him, he helps us.  No problem with that.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: darren woolley on September 19, 2017, 09:23:02 AM
Terry is never going to stop loving Chelsea. We shouldn't expect it. If he keeps being the solid pro and putting in performances like Saturday then thats more than good enough for me. I am pleased with how he is working out. He doesnt seem to look down on us nor make trouble off or on the pitch. Good stuff so far.

I agree with everything you have said.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chris Jameson on September 19, 2017, 12:22:08 PM
I've had a read of the posts on here and decided to have a rethink and maybe give him a chance, clean slate and all that.

With that in mind, I still hate him and wish he wasn't anywhere near Aston Villa.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on September 19, 2017, 01:36:20 PM
I've had a read of the posts on here and decided to have a rethink and maybe give him a chance, clean slate and all that.

With that in mind, I still hate him and wish he wasn't anywhere near Aston Villa.
If he has a great season and leads us to promotion will you, in hindsight, be glad that he played for us?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on September 19, 2017, 02:24:02 PM
I've had a read of the posts on here and decided to have a rethink and maybe give him a chance, clean slate and all that.

With that in mind, I still hate him and wish he wasn't anywhere near Aston Villa.
If he has a great season and leads us to promotion will you, in hindsight, be glad that he played for us?

Never corner a scorpion.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chris Jameson on September 19, 2017, 04:03:16 PM
I've had a read of the posts on here and decided to have a rethink and maybe give him a chance, clean slate and all that.

With that in mind, I still hate him and wish he wasn't anywhere near Aston Villa.
If he has a great season and leads us to promotion will you, in hindsight, be glad that he played for us?

Nope, I am never going to change my opinion of him.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 19, 2017, 04:40:06 PM
As he's here and there's sod all I can do about it, I hope that when he plays he does well and the team do well. I still can't stand him and hate seeing him in a Villa shirt.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Diablo on September 19, 2017, 05:08:25 PM
As he's here and there's sod all I can do about it, I hope that when he plays he does well and the team do well. I still can't stand him and hate seeing him in a Villa shirt.

And what about Gerald Appleyard?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: purpletrousers on September 19, 2017, 06:33:40 PM
As he's here and there's sod all I can do about it, I hope that when he plays he does well and the team do well. I still can't stand him and hate seeing him in a Villa shirt.

And what about Gerald Appleyard?

I think Gerald sounds a bit old to be breaking through to the first team, but trusting the reviews I've read on here (yet to see him in the flesh, having not been able to get to a game this season, so I've no idea what he even looks like) it seems like he might yet do a job for us.

I'm sure I saw his name on an African Car Reverser web forum - showing his age - banging on about their first album being the best. Clealry lacks the sophistication to appreciate the magnum opus that was their third, 'Rampant Simba'.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Villafirst on September 19, 2017, 06:37:31 PM
Terry is a great defender end of. Some narrow minded comments...
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chris Jameson on September 19, 2017, 07:00:40 PM
Terry is a great defender end of. Some narrow minded comments...

'End of' is the new 'FACT'. I'm not narrow minded at all, I just happen to really hate John Terry.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 19, 2017, 07:00:54 PM
Terry is a great defender end of. Some narrow minded comments...

You mean like ones that don't accept other people have different opinions?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Risso on September 19, 2017, 07:17:33 PM
At least if he's watching Chelsea on his days off, he won't be trying to bend one up any of his Villa team mates' other halves.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 21, 2017, 08:44:14 AM
Surely you can do both?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Dave Cooper please on September 21, 2017, 12:30:25 PM
I actually genuinely know someone called Gerald Appleyard.
He was in the Army with me back in the late 80's and we've since sort of kept in touch and have met a couple of times.
He's a massive pisshead.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Hookeysmith on September 21, 2017, 01:10:36 PM
Quote
He’s had to go in, and I think he’s been asked by the manager to try and get things and standards and lifting everybody. And he’s doing that well, but it takes time sometimes

Call me an old fashioned cynic but is this the real reason Bruce got him in - to motivate so he does not have to or seemingly can't do?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: paul_e on September 21, 2017, 01:41:27 PM
Quote
He’s had to go in, and I think he’s been asked by the manager to try and get things and standards and lifting everybody. And he’s doing that well, but it takes time sometimes

Call me an old fashioned cynic but is this the real reason Bruce got him in - to motivate so he does not have to or seemingly can't do?

That does lead to an interesting discussion of what Bruce is actually doing:
-He isn't coaching, he rarely goes on the training ground by all accounts and last time we had a couple of weeks without a game he took a holiday.
-He appears to have delegated motivation to his captain based on that quote
-He doesn't seem to study the opposition because all too often we get caught out by things he should have known if he had.
-He doesn't do tactics (his own words).
He's not working to improve the scouting network of coaching structure, that's Round's job.

Have I missed anything?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: olaftab on September 21, 2017, 01:53:44 PM
I've had a read of the posts on here and decided to have a rethink and maybe give him a chance, clean slate and all that.

With that in mind, I still hate him and wish he wasn't anywhere near Aston Villa.
<clappy thing> :))
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: VILLA MOLE on September 21, 2017, 01:54:56 PM
Quote
He’s had to go in, and I think he’s been asked by the manager to try and get things and standards and lifting everybody. And he’s doing that well, but it takes time sometimes

Call me an old fashioned cynic but is this the real reason Bruce got him in - to motivate so he does not have to or seemingly can't do?

That does lead to an interesting discussion of what Bruce is actually doing:
-He isn't coaching, he rarely goes on the training ground by all accounts and last time we had a couple of weeks without a game he took a holiday.
-He appears to have delegated motivation to his captain based on that quote
-He doesn't seem to study the opposition because all too often we get caught out by things he should have known if he had.
-He doesn't do tactics (his own words).
He's not working to improve the scouting network of coaching structure, that's Round's job.

Have I missed anything?


Press conferences 😊
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 21, 2017, 02:01:35 PM
Quote
He’s had to go in, and I think he’s been asked by the manager to try and get things and standards and lifting everybody. And he’s doing that well, but it takes time sometimes

Call me an old fashioned cynic but is this the real reason Bruce got him in - to motivate so he does not have to or seemingly can't do?

That does lead to an interesting discussion of what Bruce is actually doing:
-He isn't coaching, he rarely goes on the training ground by all accounts and last time we had a couple of weeks without a game he took a holiday.
-He appears to have delegated motivation to his captain based on that quote
-He doesn't seem to study the opposition because all too often we get caught out by things he should have known if he had.
-He doesn't do tactics (his own words).
He's not working to improve the scouting network of coaching structure, that's Round's job.

Have I missed anything?


Press conferences 😊

after match interviews starting with the word

Look

and throws in 'they are a good team '
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 21, 2017, 02:52:52 PM
And 'it's been a horrible/unfortunate/awful* one * delete as appropriate.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: john e on September 21, 2017, 04:22:13 PM
I've had a read of the posts on here and decided to have a rethink and maybe give him a chance, clean slate and all that.

With that in mind, I still hate him and wish he wasn't anywhere near Aston Villa.

ha ha love it
I could just insert a different name and use the same post if that's ok
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Canadian Villa on September 21, 2017, 04:39:24 PM
He seems to spend a lot of time at Chelsea for my liking. Sure he lives close by the training ground, and his connection to the club, but I would imagine that he was bought in to help guide the team and youngsters. which is tough if you're on holiday or at Chelsea a lot.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Drummond on September 21, 2017, 04:41:12 PM
He seems to spend a lot of time at Chelsea for my liking. Sure he lives close by the training ground, and his connection to the club, but I would imagine that he was bought in to help guide the team and youngsters. which is tough if you're on holiday or at Chelsea a lot.

Does he? How much time?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Risso on September 21, 2017, 05:14:57 PM
And 'it's been a horrible/unfortunate/awful* one * delete as appropriate.

“Look, we’re disappointed with the result, of course we are, but they’re a big team, and that’s probably the worst we’ve played since I’ve been here.”

Repeat to fade.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: manic-road on September 21, 2017, 06:09:50 PM
He seems to spend a lot of time at Chelsea for my liking. Sure he lives close by the training ground, and his connection to the club, but I would imagine that he was bought in to help guide the team and youngsters. which is tough if you're on holiday or at Chelsea a lot.

Does he? How much time?

I couldn't give a toss if he goes home from work I know I do, if his performances on the pitch were poor because of the travelling that would be different.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Canadian Villa on September 21, 2017, 06:21:38 PM
He seems to spend a lot of time at Chelsea for my liking. Sure he lives close by the training ground, and his connection to the club, but I would imagine that he was bought in to help guide the team and youngsters. which is tough if you're on holiday or at Chelsea a lot.
He seems to spend a lot of time at Chelsea for my liking. Sure he lives close by the training ground, and his connection to the club, but I would imagine that he was bought in to help guide the team and youngsters. which is tough if you're on holiday or at Chelsea a lot.

Does he? How much time?

Pure speculation of course based on his Instagram postings.
Title: John Terry -signed
Post by: Damo70 on September 21, 2017, 07:00:51 PM
He might use hotels or he might have bought a place up here but I'm pretty sure his wife, kids and family home are still down South and he does seem to spend a fair bit of time down there.

When BFR bought Deano didn't the deal involve him still living up North and the club providing him with a driver?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Ads on September 21, 2017, 09:46:36 PM
Friedel lived ooop north.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Drummond on September 21, 2017, 11:00:07 PM
Terry drove himself to Norwich, when he wasn't selected, or asked to go, just to support the other players. That's not someone who doesn't give a shit.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on September 21, 2017, 11:19:09 PM
Quote
He’s had to go in, and I think he’s been asked by the manager to try and get things and standards and lifting everybody. And he’s doing that well, but it takes time sometimes

Call me an old fashioned cynic but is this the real reason Bruce got him in - to motivate so he does not have to or seemingly can't do?

That does lead to an interesting discussion of what Bruce is actually doing:
-He isn't coaching, he rarely goes on the training ground by all accounts and last time we had a couple of weeks without a game he took a holiday.
-He appears to have delegated motivation to his captain based on that quote
-He doesn't seem to study the opposition because all too often we get caught out by things he should have known if he had.
-He doesn't do tactics (his own words).
He's not working to improve the scouting network of coaching structure, that's Round's job.

Have I missed anything?

No different to MON really.

Many British managers are old school in that respect as Cloughie was like that, turning up on the Thursday/Friday to pick the team and not really focus on the opposition.

I know Warnock never really turns up to training before the day of the game (dosen't restrict him getting a result on the Saturday) and MON was the same at Leicester and apparently here.

Plenty of good british and foreign players have played under SB at various clubs so the only way you can answer this is asking one of them if you stumble across them in a town centre and how he differs from other managers they've played for.

This reminds me of a post on here just before MON left when a poster had apparently come across a Villa player at the time at a mutual friends party. He started going on to the player about MON being a great motivator and man manager and the player shot him back a look that he'd had a s*** on the carpet.

I would guess that was one of our bomb squad players at the time but does kind of show perceptions from media/fanbase can be out of kilter with the actual managerial ability.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on September 21, 2017, 11:33:08 PM
I've had a read of the posts on here and decided to have a rethink and maybe give him a chance, clean slate and all that.

With that in mind, I still hate him and wish he wasn't anywhere near Aston Villa.
If he has a great season and leads us to promotion will you, in hindsight, be glad that he played for us?

It would be a case he did the job he stated he'd do for us and fair play but he wouldn't go down in a legends list that's for sure.

Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on September 21, 2017, 11:36:42 PM
Terry drove himself to Norwich, when he wasn't selected, or asked to go, just to support the other players. That's not someone who doesn't give a shit.

We played Norwich at home didn't we? Colchester I think?

I think the schedule is he plays the Saturday game, day off Sunday which he spends in Surrey, comes up on Monday to train and stay up if there's a Tuesday game, day off Wednesday and then next two days prepares for the next weekend game.

Two days out of seven he'll spend at home and the rest up here.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Drummond on September 21, 2017, 11:41:21 PM
Terry drove himself to Norwich, when he wasn't selected, or asked to go, just to support the other players. That's not someone who doesn't give a shit.

We played Norwich at home didn't we? Colchester I think?

I think the schedule is he plays the Saturday game, day off Sunday which he spends in Surrey, comes up on Monday to train and stay up if there's a Tuesday game, day off Wednesday and then next two days prepares for the next weekend game.

Two days out of seven he'll spend at home and the rest up here.

Yep, wrong game, thanks.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on September 22, 2017, 04:25:42 AM
I don't understand how a manager can do his job effectively without spending significant time at the Training Ground with the players.
Maybe not every day but most days.
The first thing is what do the players think if the Manager can't be bothered to turn up?
I don't know how common this is at Villa but would be concerned if true.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: manic-road on September 22, 2017, 06:45:57 AM
I don't understand how a manager can do his job effectively without spending significant time at the Training Ground with the players.
Maybe not every day but most days.
The first thing is what do the players think if the Manager can't be bothered to turn up?
I don't know how common this is at Villa but would be concerned if true.

He would have instructed his coaches on what he wants.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Ads on September 22, 2017, 06:57:02 AM
Morley said Saunders treated you as if you didn't exist if you were injured or not in his plans, as you were of no use to him. O'Neill was similar.

He'd do a Thursday and Friday then drop something Churchillian to get them up for it Saturday. He was obviously pretty good at it until 2010.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Canadian Villa on September 22, 2017, 04:16:42 PM
I don't understand how a manager can do his job effectively without spending significant time at the Training Ground with the players.
Maybe not every day but most days.
The first thing is what do the players think if the Manager can't be bothered to turn up?
I don't know how common this is at Villa but would be concerned if true.

That's why they is a large team of coaches. Bruce likely doesn't have time to be on the training pitch all day everyday with running a team. He likely has meetings with the executives, medical team, scouts, coaches, planning schedules, reviewing opposition videos, discussing contracts for players and staff etc etc.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Tony Erdington on September 22, 2017, 04:29:29 PM
I don't understand how a manager can do his job effectively without spending significant time at the Training Ground with the players.
Maybe not every day but most days.
The first thing is what do the players think if the Manager can't be bothered to turn up?
I don't know how common this is at Villa but would be concerned if true.

That's why they is a large team of coaches. Bruce likely doesn't have time to be on the training pitch all day everyday with running a team. He likely has meetings with the executives, medical team, scouts, coaches, planning schedules, reviewing opposition videos, discussing contracts for players and staff etc etc.


No disrespect , canadian but having watched Villa this last twelve months, not sure Stevie wonder does any of the things you suggest. particularly watch videos of the opposition. maybe watches videoes of various eateries as he does seem to be piling the lard back on.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Canadian Villa on September 22, 2017, 09:56:00 PM
I don't understand how a manager can do his job effectively without spending significant time at the Training Ground with the players.
Maybe not every day but most days.
The first thing is what do the players think if the Manager can't be bothered to turn up?
I don't know how common this is at Villa but would be concerned if true.

That's why they is a large team of coaches. Bruce likely doesn't have time to be on the training pitch all day everyday with running a team. He likely has meetings with the executives, medical team, scouts, coaches, planning schedules, reviewing opposition videos, discussing contracts for players and staff etc etc.


No disrespect , canadian but having watched Villa this last twelve months, not sure Stevie wonder does any of the things you suggest. particularly watch videos of the opposition. maybe watches videoes of various eateries as he does seem to be piling the lard back on.

You are quite likely correct. My comment was based on what I reckon a manager SHOULD be doing (in my own humble opinion of course)
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on September 22, 2017, 10:21:20 PM
I don't understand how a manager can do his job effectively without spending significant time at the Training Ground with the players.
Maybe not every day but most days.
The first thing is what do the players think if the Manager can't be bothered to turn up?
I don't know how common this is at Villa but would be concerned if true.

That's why they is a large team of coaches. Bruce likely doesn't have time to be on the training pitch all day everyday with running a team. He likely has meetings with the executives, medical team, scouts, coaches, planning schedules, reviewing opposition videos, discussing contracts for players and staff etc etc.


No disrespect , canadian but having watched Villa this last twelve months, not sure Stevie wonder does any of the things you suggest. particularly watch videos of the opposition. maybe watches videoes of various eateries as he does seem to be piling the lard back on.

You are quite likely correct. My comment was based on what I reckon a manager SHOULD be doing (in my own humble opinion of course)
Of course they have to do all that and this is activity carried out at the training ground, so not turning up at BH
Is a deriliction of duty.
Notice I said training ground not Training Pitch.
Lost in translation?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on September 22, 2017, 10:51:05 PM
I don't understand how a manager can do his job effectively without spending significant time at the Training Ground with the players.
Maybe not every day but most days.
The first thing is what do the players think if the Manager can't be bothered to turn up?
I don't know how common this is at Villa but would be concerned if true.

That's why they is a large team of coaches. Bruce likely doesn't have time to be on the training pitch all day everyday with running a team. He likely has meetings with the executives, medical team, scouts, coaches, planning schedules, reviewing opposition videos, discussing contracts for players and staff etc etc.

Im sure he has been doing all that for all of the 4 months he has been with us
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Canadian Villa on September 25, 2017, 06:31:22 PM
I don't understand how a manager can do his job effectively without spending significant time at the Training Ground with the players.
Maybe not every day but most days.
The first thing is what do the players think if the Manager can't be bothered to turn up?
I don't know how common this is at Villa but would be concerned if true.

That's why they is a large team of coaches. Bruce likely doesn't have time to be on the training pitch all day everyday with running a team. He likely has meetings with the executives, medical team, scouts, coaches, planning schedules, reviewing opposition videos, discussing contracts for players and staff etc etc.

Im sure he has been doing all that for all of the 4 months he has been with us

I'm sure too, but the point is that he can't be doing everything. He cant do all those duties and be on the training ground every day. If he is then no wonder he is getting late night takeaways all the time!
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: cheltenhamlion on September 25, 2017, 06:45:51 PM
Not a dig, and I can't be arsed with a fight over it, but Bruce doesn't take a single training session with the team. He sometimes watches them, but doesn't take them himself.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Risso on September 25, 2017, 07:39:49 PM
Not a dig, and I can't be arsed with a fight over it, but Bruce doesn't take a single training session with the team. He sometimes watches them, but doesn't take them himself.

My best man worked for him at Wigan. Said exactly the same then.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Lastfootstamper on September 25, 2017, 07:49:09 PM
I'm getting the sense that all sralex's ex-players that go into management try to emulate him by simply not getting involved with the nuts and bolts of training, whilst not having any Idea of what it actually was that he could do that made him so successful. They don't know cos they never saw it, how could they, he was rarely at training, they just have a stab at what they reckon it was.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 25, 2017, 09:18:36 PM
So if Round's researching new players and Calderwood's taking training, WTF does he do?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Ian. on September 25, 2017, 09:20:54 PM
So if Round's researching new players and Calderwood's taking training, WTF does he do?
Makes a right mess of the post match press conference.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: paul_e on September 25, 2017, 09:20:58 PM
So if Round's researching new players and Calderwood's taking training, WTF does he do?

And Terry is instilling the professionalism and attitude needed, don't forget that.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 25, 2017, 09:24:26 PM
So if Round's researching new players and Calderwood's taking training, WTF does he do?

Eat.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Rudy65 on September 25, 2017, 09:29:31 PM
I don't understand how a manager can do his job effectively without spending significant time at the Training Ground with the players.
Maybe not every day but most days.
The first thing is what do the players think if the Manager can't be bothered to turn up?
I don't know how common this is at Villa but would be concerned if true.

That's why they is a large team of coaches. Bruce likely doesn't have time to be on the training pitch all day everyday with running a team. He likely has meetings with the executives, medical team, scouts, coaches, planning schedules, reviewing opposition videos, discussing contracts for players and staff etc etc.


No disrespect , canadian but having watched Villa this last twelve months, not sure Stevie wonder does any of the things you suggest. particularly watch videos of the opposition. maybe watches videoes of various eateries as he does seem to be piling the lard back on.

Never understand how an ex pro in his mid 50's who is the manager supposedly setting an example to his players can be so overweight. He has access to the best nutrition advice, medical and training facilities money can buy yet still looks like he has his head continually buried in the fridge. Strange
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 25, 2017, 09:43:04 PM
So if Round's researching new players and Calderwood's taking training, WTF does he do?

And Terry is instilling the professionalism and attitude needed, don't forget that.

It's not even looking for alternative ways of saying 'mass hysteria'.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Exeter 77 on September 25, 2017, 10:31:17 PM
Back on the topic of John Terry. Is there a reason there isn't a captain's column in the programme now? I think he did one for the Hull game and none since.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: aj2k77 on September 26, 2017, 01:41:31 AM
Back on the topic of John Terry. Is there a reason there isn't a captain's column in the programme now? I think he did one for the Hull game and none since.

Because he still writes one for Chelsea?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Ad@m on September 26, 2017, 06:32:37 AM
Back on the topic of John Terry. Is there a reason there isn't a captain's column in the programme now? I think he did one for the Hull game and none since.

I was thinking at the weekend that we've never had a more anonymous captain. Nothing in the programme, nothing on the website, never on the telly giving interviews.

It's almost as if he doesn't give a shit.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: dave.woodhall on September 26, 2017, 08:11:28 AM
Back on the topic of John Terry. Is there a reason there isn't a captain's column in the programme now? I think he did one for the Hull game and none since.

I was thinking at the weekend that we've never had a more anonymous captain. Nothing in the programme, nothing on the website, never on the telly giving interviews.

It's almost as if he doesn't give a shit.

Maybe he wants it that way because he doesn't want to overshadow the rest of the team.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Damo70 on September 26, 2017, 09:38:46 AM
Back on the topic of John Terry. Is there a reason there isn't a captain's column in the programme now? I think he did one for the Hull game and none since.

I was thinking at the weekend that we've never had a more anonymous captain. Nothing in the programme, nothing on the website, never on the telly giving interviews.

It's almost as if he doesn't give a shit.

Maybe he wants it that way because he doesn't want to overshadow the rest of the team.


Or he is saving his views for when he is writing his managers programme notes. ;)

As for Brucie, lay off him about his weight.

It is probably his glands.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: darren woolley on September 26, 2017, 10:06:45 AM
Back on the topic of John Terry. Is there a reason there isn't a captain's column in the programme now? I think he did one for the Hull game and none since.

I was thinking at the weekend that we've never had a more anonymous captain. Nothing in the programme, nothing on the website, never on the telly giving interviews.

It's almost as if he doesn't give a shit.

Maybe he wants it that way because he doesn't want to overshadow the rest of the team.


I agree with you Dave he just wants to play his football and not have the circus around him by keep giving time to the media.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chris Jameson on September 26, 2017, 11:00:00 AM
I could warm to him if he's trying to make himself slightly visible.

Once he makes himself invisible then I might stop hating him.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on September 26, 2017, 11:05:49 AM
So if Round's researching new players and Calderwood's taking training, WTF does he do?
Works on his Book titled, Mediocre
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: robbo1874 on September 26, 2017, 11:30:07 AM
I havent seen any Villa matches this season,as the championship isn’t televised in Aus (though I’ve heard its back on FoxSports soon- Turkish football wasn’t the draw they thought it would be, apparently ). From what I’ve read though from various sources, it seems to me that the gamble of signing him looks to be partially paying off. I’m clear in that I don’t like him and didn’t want to sign him, I won’t pretend I didn’t. But we do seem to be more solid at the back and we haven’t lost many matches. He’s also featured a lot more than I thought he would, so maybe a bit of credit to him is due. If he continues to feature, we maintain a good defensive record and we end up promoted, then it will be hard to argue it was a bad move bringing him in.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Ad@m on September 26, 2017, 12:28:24 PM
Back on the topic of John Terry. Is there a reason there isn't a captain's column in the programme now? I think he did one for the Hull game and none since.

I was thinking at the weekend that we've never had a more anonymous captain. Nothing in the programme, nothing on the website, never on the telly giving interviews.

It's almost as if he doesn't give a shit.

Maybe he wants it that way because he doesn't want to overshadow the rest of the team.

He was explicitly brought in for his leadership skills.  It's hardly textbook leadership to be publicly anonymous.

It's just a hunch but I expect that if and when we start challenging up at the top of the division we'll start to see him making more noise.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Rioch is King on September 26, 2017, 01:06:27 PM
Credit to him for keeping his head down. If he's leading on the field and in the dressing room I don't care if he's never in the media.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Hookeysmith on September 26, 2017, 01:29:52 PM
Terry

I work 3 days per week in Manchester (including stop overs when required) and 2 days in Brum - there is no way I would uproot my family and move there full time so the business compromises. I see no problem with this with JT as long as his performances warrant it and up to now he has been (IMHO) the consummate professional - I agree with Dave when he was first announced it was 100% JT in the media so maybe a low profile is exactly what was needed. Watch him during a game and never stops barking orders out.

Bruce

Like the man but hate the football - But like Terry, if the results and performances are ok I could not give a toss if he is there or not

Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: PaulTheVillan on September 30, 2017, 08:49:00 PM
JT has made us look way stronger, wonder what'll happen next season IF we go up....
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: saunders_heroes on September 30, 2017, 09:00:34 PM
He just looks a cut above any other defender in this league. I’m glad he signed for us.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 30, 2017, 09:07:23 PM
I said to Brian Green of this parish today that I can't stand him but he's very good at what he does (JT, not BG. Not that BG isn't good at what he does).
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: QuintonVilla on September 30, 2017, 09:08:43 PM
He never gives the ball away.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chris Jameson on September 30, 2017, 10:44:45 PM
I still hate him, only 8 more months to go.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on September 30, 2017, 10:48:57 PM
Back on the topic of John Terry. Is there a reason there isn't a captain's column in the programme now? I think he did one for the Hull game and none since.

I was thinking at the weekend that we've never had a more anonymous captain. Nothing in the programme, nothing on the website, never on the telly giving interviews.

It's almost as if he doesn't give a shit.

Maybe he wants it that way because he doesn't want to overshadow the rest of the team.

He was explicitly brought in for his leadership skills.  It's hardly textbook leadership to be publicly anonymous.

It's just a hunch but I expect that if and when we start challenging up at the top of the division we'll start to see him making more noise.

I'm actually quite happy with this. I can just about stomach him in our shirt now after a lot of reluctance over the summer. I don't want him becoming the leading face of the club, give that to Kodjia or somebody.

Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: London Villan on September 30, 2017, 10:57:59 PM
Today was the first game i have seen him act like a captain. Lots of talking to team mates and in the refs ear.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: adrenachrome on September 30, 2017, 10:59:13 PM
I am not a fan, but he has been very good for the last few games, and Chester has at last adjusted to the partnership. In fairness to Bruce, one thing he should be capable of delivering is a strong central defence, and he has done the job.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Brend'Watkins on October 01, 2017, 08:02:42 AM
This game has showed why Terry is such an asset. He was MOM for me. And, showed his experience along with his leadership qualities. He chewed out Kodja for not passing the ball to Adoma for a tap in and rightly so.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: mr underhill on October 01, 2017, 12:06:10 PM
it's a reluctant thumbs up from me too - there are signs now of his experience and winning mentality rubbing off on the others.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Matt Collins on October 01, 2017, 12:34:12 PM
Still don't like him and never will

But he's clearly made us better.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 01, 2017, 01:37:45 PM
I think he's played a blinder. Slowly integrated himself in the club, not made a huge issue of his presence, never making it about him, quietly encouraging and leading. Quite the opposite of everything we thought might happen. He's made us a lot more solid. If we go up he won't be with us. I think he came in for one last go, and if he carries on playing it will be in the US. But casting aside his past reputation for a moment and just judging him on the here and now, he's been very good, and easily the best defender at this level.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chris Smith on October 01, 2017, 02:15:51 PM
I think he's played a blinder. Slowly integrated himself in the club, not made a huge issue of his presence, never making it about him, quietly encouraging and leading. Quite the opposite of everything we thought might happen. He's made us a lot more solid. If we go up he won't be with us. I think he came in for one last go, and if he carries on playing it will be in the US. But casting aside his past reputation for a moment and just judging him on the here and now, he's been very good, and easily the best defender at this level.


Good points. Like most I had reservations about the signing but his ability shows in every game; 6 played in September and only one conceded is the proof of his contribution. He is he best defender at this level, as you say ,and with Chester it is the best centre back pairing,
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on October 01, 2017, 04:15:42 PM
He's been phenomenal for us there's no denying it.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 01, 2017, 04:21:13 PM
His distribution, especially for a CB is quite outstanding.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: LeeB on October 01, 2017, 05:49:23 PM
His distribution, especially for a CB is quite outstanding.

He likes the left diagonal for sure, and he delivers it.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Fasth56 on October 01, 2017, 08:14:43 PM
Watching him at Chelsea I didn't fully realise what a great footballer he is. His ability to bring down a ball and then move it on with the minimum of fuss is fantastic, and unlike a number of the midfielders he very rarely gives the ball away. One disappointment is that he is yet to weigh in with goals from corners.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Matt Collins on October 01, 2017, 08:33:35 PM
He was always tidy on the ball at Chelsea

He looks great on the ball for us because the overall standard and degree of pressing is just a lot worse
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: OCD on October 01, 2017, 08:35:42 PM
He's done some despicable things in the past but he's shown a maturity since he's been with us. I'm sure he could still be doing a good job at quite a few Premier League clubs so it's good that we have him.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Holte L2 on October 02, 2017, 03:13:16 PM
Terry

I work 3 days per week in Manchester (including stop overs when required) and 2 days in Brum - there is no way I would uproot my family and move there full time so the business compromises. I see no problem with this with JT as long as his performances warrant it and up to now he has been (IMHO) the consummate professional - I agree with Dave when he was first announced it was 100% JT in the media so maybe a low profile is exactly what was needed. Watch him during a game and never stops barking orders out.

Bruce

Like the man but hate the football - But like Terry, if the results and performances are ok I could not give a toss if he is there or not



Ha likewise pal. I work three days a week at home in Brum and 2 days a week in Manchester!
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on October 04, 2017, 08:19:46 AM
I am particularly pleased with the way he is trying to win over fans. Game by game by just being professional and the best defender on the pitch.

Also ... well call me gullible if you like but when he did his little fist pump to the away fans at Burton I thought it meant something to him. .
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chris Jameson on October 04, 2017, 10:13:07 AM
Only way he'll ever win me over is if he were to give me the cash to buy my ex out, erase the memory of ever hearing anything by the band Muse, does the recycling every other week and fixes the flushing mechanism on the toilet. Even then I know he doesn't stand a chance of winning me over.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on October 04, 2017, 11:00:33 AM
I never really noticed how good he was at Chelsea, because my mind was - understandably at the time - mostly focused on what a ****** he was.

He's been very good for us, though, long may it continue.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Drummond on October 04, 2017, 11:13:39 AM
He's a c**t, but he's our c**t.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: tomd2103 on October 04, 2017, 11:22:57 AM
His distribution, especially for a CB is quite outstanding.

He likes the left diagonal for sure, and he delivers it.

Could be a very good option for us, especially if it leaves Snodgrass isolated one-on-one with defenders most of the time. 
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on October 04, 2017, 01:09:03 PM
He has been excellent, if we go up this season it will because we don't let many goals in. I also think he would fine at Prem level for another season if we went up.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on October 04, 2017, 01:58:18 PM
He has been excellent, if we go up this season it will because we don't let many goals in. I also think he would fine at Prem level for another season if we went up.

I think he quoted one of the reasons he came to us was that he couldn't face playing for another PL club, so even if we go up and we think he's worth it, he's unlikely to want to stay.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: andyh on October 04, 2017, 02:23:30 PM
I was one of Terry's biggest detractors and really, really did not want him to join our club.

There is no doubt that he has settled extremely well has quietly gone about his about his business without giving it the 'billy big bollox' that he could have.   
He has been very, very impressive and I think he is now getting accustomed to playing at this level and he is improving us game by game.

All that said, my previous hate for the bloke has not suddenly gone away.
I can tolerate him playing for us now, and appreciate how is playing. I can clap something good he does but that's about as far as my 'adulation' goes.   
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: olaftab on October 04, 2017, 02:34:13 PM
He has been excellent, if we go up this season it will because we don't let many goals in. I also think he would fine at Prem level for another season if we went up.

I think he quoted one of the reasons he came to us was that he couldn't face playing for another PL club, so even if we go up and we think he's worth it, he's unlikely to want to stay.
Nothing in life is cast in stone except you age. People can view things differently 12 months on when emotion has disappeared.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: class-of-82 on October 04, 2017, 04:49:27 PM
let the healing process carry on
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: tom jennings III on October 04, 2017, 07:40:33 PM
Early days and I know he's missed a couple of chances but is anyone else surprised he hasn't netted yet? I thought when we signed him that he's be a big threat from set-pieces pinged into the box. Too early to tell really but would be lovely to have a Martin Laurson style CB who bullies teams in their own box and gets his head to corners regularly.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Ads on October 04, 2017, 08:59:50 PM
Went close the weekend. Wouldn't be surprised if he scores at the Custard Bowl.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: MorrisNielson on October 21, 2017, 08:52:01 PM
Time to bump this thread.
By my reckoning, the oldest Villa Goalscorers:
37 years 336 days - Schmeichel (Everton 20/10/2001)
37 years 140 days - Dixon (Sheffield Wednesday 29/4/1961)
37 years 92 days - Pires (Blackburn Rovers 29/1/2011)
37 years 15 days - MacEwan (Manchester United 6/4/1966)
36 years 318 days - Terry (Fulham 21/10/2017)
36 years 212 days - Iverson (Preston North End 17/5/1947)
36 years 135 days - McGrath (West Ham United 17/4/1996)
36 years 107 days - Wallace (Bolton Wanderers 7/5/1921)
35 years 273 days - Broadbent (Tottenham Hotspurs 12/2/1969)
35 years 69 days - Smart (Manchester City 28/11/1931)
35 years 56 days - Bache (Notts County 5/4/1915)
35 years 7 days - Walker (Blackpool 5/11/1932)
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Ad@m on October 21, 2017, 09:56:17 PM
I bet he was saving his debut goal for Fulham - once a Chelsea player, always a Chelsea player. The Fulham fans lost their shit when he celebrated in front of them.

He's a horrible bastard but he's our horrible bastard.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: LeeB on October 21, 2017, 09:58:46 PM
I bet he was saving his debut goal for Fulham - once a Chelsea player, always a Chelsea player. The Fulham fans lost their shit when he celebrated in front of them.

He's a horrible bastard but he's our horrible bastard.

He's also our extremely talented and capable horrible bastard, the best kind of horrible bastard there is.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: XXVilla on October 21, 2017, 09:59:37 PM
I bet he was saving his debut goal for Fulham - once a Chelsea player, always a Chelsea player. The Fulham fans lost their shit when he celebrated in front of them.

He's a horrible bastard but he's our horrible bastard.

He's also our extremely talented and capable horrible bastard, the best kind of horrible bastard there is.
We haven't had a horrible bastard for decades. It feels good...
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: VillaAlways on October 21, 2017, 10:05:14 PM
I'm chuffed with him I thought he would come here and not give a shit but he's been the ultimate professional. Chuffed he got his first goal today, first of many hopefully
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on October 21, 2017, 11:51:21 PM
Best signing by Bruce, has been excellent. Glad he got the goal.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Ads on October 22, 2017, 12:04:24 AM
The celebration made me chuckle. The sort of thing we've experienced far too often in recent times.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on October 22, 2017, 12:15:12 AM
I was one of Terry's biggest detractors and really, really did not want him to join our club.

There is no doubt that he has settled extremely well has quietly gone about his about his business without giving it the 'billy big bollox' that he could have.   
He has been very, very impressive and I think he is now getting accustomed to playing at this level and he is improving us game by game.

All that said, my previous hate for the bloke has not suddenly gone away.
I can tolerate him playing for us now, and appreciate how is playing. I can clap something good he does but that's about as far as my 'adulation' goes.   

Yep same for me.

The early games did scare me and I did wonder if it was going to be a major mistake by all sides but credit where it's due he's now strolling through the games at this level which is what I expected.

Said before but I like the low key nature he's adopted since joining us. Whatever the reasons the only thing that matters is him leading us to promotion so all the media stuff is well down the list of priorities.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on October 22, 2017, 12:18:10 AM
I bet he was saving his debut goal for Fulham - once a Chelsea player, always a Chelsea player. The Fulham fans lost their shit when he celebrated in front of them.

He's a horrible bastard but he's our horrible bastard.

I know they're next door to each other but I never remembered Fulham-Chelsea being a cauldron of hatred when both played each other in the prem.

Chelsea obviously occupy themselves with Spurs, West Ham and Arsenal. Fulham's main derby has always been QPR unless that's changed. Brentford have muscled in on recent times.

I assume it was more just Fulham fans taking a pop at a famous controversial player who's dropped down to this league.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 22, 2017, 03:43:53 AM
When he went over I took it as a natural reaction to go celebrate with the away fans. Then I remembered he’s a cock like that. But he’s ours and truth be told he’s been quite superb since he joined in every possible way.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Ads on October 22, 2017, 07:06:03 AM
If I scored for us next week at the Tilton End I wouldn't be doing a Gardner to be honest and I don't think many on here would.

They were singing songs about Terry, Terry got a little closer to hear the silence.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Ad@m on October 22, 2017, 10:22:06 AM
I bet he was saving his debut goal for Fulham - once a Chelsea player, always a Chelsea player. The Fulham fans lost their shit when he celebrated in front of them.

He's a horrible bastard but he's our horrible bastard.

I know they're next door to each other but I never remembered Fulham-Chelsea being a cauldron of hatred when both played each other in the prem.

Chelsea obviously occupy themselves with Spurs, West Ham and Arsenal. Fulham's main derby has always been QPR unless that's changed. Brentford have muscled in on recent times.

I assume it was more just Fulham fans taking a pop at a famous controversial player who's dropped down to this league.

I think it's akin to Villa Blues. To Chelsea, Fulham is a minor irritant. To Fulham, beating Chelsea makes their season.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on October 22, 2017, 01:04:46 PM
I bet he was saving his debut goal for Fulham - once a Chelsea player, always a Chelsea player. The Fulham fans lost their shit when he celebrated in front of them.

He's a horrible bastard but he's our horrible bastard.

I know they're next door to each other but I never remembered Fulham-Chelsea being a cauldron of hatred when both played each other in the prem.

Chelsea obviously occupy themselves with Spurs, West Ham and Arsenal. Fulham's main derby has always been QPR unless that's changed. Brentford have muscled in on recent times.

I assume it was more just Fulham fans taking a pop at a famous controversial player who's dropped down to this league.

I think it's akin to Villa Blues. To Chelsea, Fulham is a minor irritant. To Fulham, beating Chelsea makes their season.

I'm not an expert but what I've picked up from the west London rivalries is: everyone hates Chelsea, QPR hate Fulham too, Fulham hate Brentford too, which is reciprocated, Brentford really hate QPR, Chelsea hate Spurs.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Matt Collins on October 22, 2017, 01:45:23 PM
Anyone else still of the view that we didn't need him because the defence was sorted and we had baker?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: darren woolley on October 22, 2017, 02:05:14 PM
I'm glad we have got him I just think he his a class player I was really he pleased when he scored his first goal for us people sitting by me felt the same.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chris Jameson on October 22, 2017, 02:23:03 PM
Now he’s settled in and scored I’ve had to reassess my opinion of him once again.

I still hate him and wish he wasn’t an Aston Villa player.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on October 22, 2017, 02:26:28 PM
Anyone else still of the view that we didn't need him because the defence was sorted and we had baker?

Baker's new team have only lost two games this season. They're the only two games which Baker hasn't played in.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chris Jameson on October 22, 2017, 02:56:51 PM
Anyone else still of the view that we didn't need him because the defence was sorted and we had baker?

Baker's new team have only lost two games this season. They're the only two games which Baker hasn't played in.

BACK OF THE NET!
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: TheMalandro on October 22, 2017, 03:19:33 PM
Anyone else still of the view that we didn't need him because the defence was sorted and we had baker?

Baker's new team have only lost two games this season. They're the only two games which Baker hasn't played in.

BACK OF THE NET!

He's got a foot like a traction engine.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: boozey182 on October 22, 2017, 03:23:12 PM
Now he’s settled in and scored I’ve had to reassess my opinion of him once again.

I still hate him and wish he wasn’t an Aston Villa player.

Exactly my feelings too. Plus, he was atrocious in the build up to their goal. Should have stepped up to get the ball, but retreated because of his crippling lack of pace. We need someone to compliment Chester if we go up, not have someone with the exact same weaknesses. He might be alright to help us get promoted this year, but I still wish he wasn't here.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: LeeB on October 22, 2017, 03:26:16 PM
Now he’s settled in and scored I’ve had to reassess my opinion of him once again.

I still hate him and wish he wasn’t an Aston Villa player.

Exactly my feelings too. Plus, he was atrocious in the build up to their goal. Should have stepped up to get the ball, but retreated because of his crippling lack of pace. We need someone to compliment Chester if we go up, not have someone with the exact same weaknesses. He might be alright to help us get promoted this year, but I still wish he wasn't here.

What did he do in the build up to their goal? It was a direct free kick.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: TheMalandro on October 22, 2017, 03:28:46 PM
Now he’s settled in and scored I’ve had to reassess my opinion of him once again.

I still hate him and wish he wasn’t an Aston Villa player.

Exactly my feelings too. Plus, he was atrocious in the build up to their goal. Should have stepped up to get the ball, but retreated because of his crippling lack of pace. We need someone to compliment Chester if we go up, not have someone with the exact same weaknesses. He might be alright to help us get promoted this year, but I still wish he wasn't here.

What did he do in the build up to their goal? It was a direct free kick.

Perhaps he could've got his hand to it?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: LeeB on October 22, 2017, 03:31:19 PM
Now he’s settled in and scored I’ve had to reassess my opinion of him once again.

I still hate him and wish he wasn’t an Aston Villa player.

Exactly my feelings too. Plus, he was atrocious in the build up to their goal. Should have stepped up to get the ball, but retreated because of his crippling lack of pace. We need someone to compliment Chester if we go up, not have someone with the exact same weaknesses. He might be alright to help us get promoted this year, but I still wish he wasn't here.

What did he do in the build up to their goal? It was a direct free kick.

Perhaps he could've got his hand to it?

One of his torpedo diving headers perhaps? The useless ******.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: brian green on October 22, 2017, 03:36:43 PM
You are all so beastly to the fellow.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chris Jameson on October 22, 2017, 03:41:49 PM
You are all so beastly to the fellow.

I feel mean now. I love that thing he does when you think he’s injured but just jumps to his feet and gets on with things. What a guy.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: brian green on October 22, 2017, 03:54:34 PM
He is just misunderstood.  His mother loves him. I think.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on October 22, 2017, 03:55:58 PM
Not as much as she loves nicking things.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: stuart445 on October 22, 2017, 04:03:09 PM
Anyone else still of the view that we didn't need him because the defence was sorted and we had baker?

hahaha yeah because we were shipping goals left right and centre last season,  that's why we averaged less than a goal a game.

yes our defence is good with Terry in it but lets not rewrite history.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: stuart445 on October 22, 2017, 04:04:59 PM
Anyone else still of the view that we didn't need him because the defence was sorted and we had baker?

hahaha yeah because we were shipping goals left right and centre last season,  that's why we only conceded 48 goals in a 46 game season.

yes our defence is good with Terry in it but lets not rewrite history.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chris Smith on October 22, 2017, 06:34:41 PM
Anyone else still of the view that we didn't need him because the defence was sorted and we had baker?

hahaha yeah because we were shipping goals left right and centre last season,  that's why we averaged less than a goal a game.

yes our defence is good with Terry in it but lets not rewrite history.

Baker’s biggest failing is that he cannot pass the ball. Yes, he’s strong, brave and wholehearted but he is a very limited player. Having Terry has made us a better team overall.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Ad@m on October 22, 2017, 06:38:29 PM
Terry can pass a ball 10 times better with his weaker foot than Baker can with his strongest one!
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: stuart445 on October 22, 2017, 06:48:16 PM
Anyone else still of the view that we didn't need him because the defence was sorted and we had baker?

hahaha yeah because we were shipping goals left right and centre last season,  that's why we averaged less than a goal a game.

yes our defence is good with Terry in it but lets not rewrite history.

Baker’s biggest failing is that he cannot pass the ball. Yes, he’s strong, brave and wholehearted but he is a very limited player. Having Terry has made us a better team overall.

All I want from a central defender is being able to defend anything else is a bonus. As I said 48 goals from 46 games is more than good enough in my book. I'm just relieved I defence is still good this season. The vital bit that seems to have changed is we have started to score goals
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Rigadon on October 22, 2017, 06:51:47 PM
Baker was as brave a player as I've ever seen.  But he isn't in Terry's class. 
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chris Smith on October 22, 2017, 06:56:32 PM
Anyone else still of the view that we didn't need him because the defence was sorted and we had baker?

hahaha yeah because we were shipping goals left right and centre last season,  that's why we averaged less than a goal a game.

yes our defence is good with Terry in it but lets not rewrite history.

Baker’s biggest failing is that he cannot pass the ball. Yes, he’s strong, brave and wholehearted but he is a very limited player. Having Terry has made us a better team overall.

All I want from a central defender is being able to defend anything else is a bonus. As I said 48 goals from 46 games is more than good enough in my book. I'm just relieved I defence is still good this season. The vital bit that seems to have changed is we have started to score goals

We are scoring goals because the defence needs less protection and is less likely to hoof the ball straight back to the opposition.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Matt Collins on October 22, 2017, 07:29:12 PM
Exactly

Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: LeeB on October 22, 2017, 07:29:47 PM
Anyone else still of the view that we didn't need him because the defence was sorted and we had baker?

hahaha yeah because we were shipping goals left right and centre last season,  that's why we averaged less than a goal a game.

yes our defence is good with Terry in it but lets not rewrite history.

Baker’s biggest failing is that he cannot pass the ball. Yes, he’s strong, brave and wholehearted but he is a very limited player. Having Terry has made us a better team overall.

All I want from a central defender is being able to defend anything else is a bonus. As I said 48 goals from 46 games is more than good enough in my book. I'm just relieved I defence is still good this season. The vital bit that seems to have changed is we have started to score goals

We are scoring goals because the defence needs less protection and is less likely to hoof the ball straight back to the opposition.

Exactamundo dude.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Damo70 on October 22, 2017, 07:56:11 PM
I always rated him as a player and didn't get too wrapped up in the off field stuff although it was hard to actually say you liked him. My main annoyance was his attempts to referee every game he played in. I think it was Clattenbourg in the 2-1 at VP a few years back who allowed him to race the length of the field to contest a decision only to ignore him and stroll away. I thought it was contrived and hilarious. Obviously now he is doing well with us I think he is great. And I am quite happy to be a hypocrite when these days he refs games on our behalf.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Risso on October 22, 2017, 08:02:51 PM
Anyone else still of the view that we didn't need him because the defence was sorted and we had baker?

hahaha yeah because we were shipping goals left right and centre last season,  that's why we averaged less than a goal a game.

yes our defence is good with Terry in it but lets not rewrite history.

Baker’s biggest failing is that he cannot pass the ball. Yes, he’s strong, brave and wholehearted but he is a very limited player. Having Terry has made us a better team overall.

I quite liked Baker, but his distribution was a bit lacking to be polite about it, and he never seemed that far from an injury.  Or a game-changing clanger.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Damo70 on October 22, 2017, 08:06:15 PM
Anyone else still of the view that we didn't need him because the defence was sorted and we had baker?

hahaha yeah because we were shipping goals left right and centre last season,  that's why we averaged less than a goal a game.

yes our defence is good with Terry in it but lets not rewrite history.

Baker’s biggest failing is that he cannot pass the ball. Yes, he’s strong, brave and wholehearted but he is a very limited player. Having Terry has made us a better team overall.

I quite liked Baker, but his distribution was a bit lacking to be polite about it, and he never seemed that far from an injury.  Or a game-changing clanger.


Spot on. Half decent player, fully committed but brainless enough to invite injury and/or error.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on October 22, 2017, 10:35:23 PM
I always rated him as a player and didn't get too wrapped up in the off field stuff although it was hard to actually say you liked him. My main annoyance was his attempts to referee every game he played in.

I used to hate that.

However, there was a moment yesterday where it looked like he was doing exactly that - he conferred with the referee, pointed out a Fulham player, who then walked back to be booked.

Perfectly reasonable intervention from Villa's Brave John Terry.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: olaftab on October 22, 2017, 11:28:24 PM

We are scoring goals because the defence needs less protection and is less likely to hoof the ball straight back to the opposition.
Other than the last 15 minutes yesterday.😉
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: West Derby Villan on October 23, 2017, 12:24:32 AM
I don't like him, thought we shouldn't have signed him, thought we were better without him, thought he was a git. I haven't changed my opinion but he we have improved , haven't we , thoughts ?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on October 23, 2017, 07:48:14 AM
He has improved us. I never really watched him much for Chelsea but it seems to me he is doing a pretty impeccable drama free job as Captain as well as being the solid defender he is. And good lord I love his distribution. I do hope every other defender in the club takes note of how that is done.

Its early days, but so far so good.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Risso on October 23, 2017, 10:35:58 AM
I'm grudgingly coming round to the fact that he's our player.

Ah bollocks, he's been excellent, and looks a class apart.  Apart from a shaky first two or three weeks, he's just quietly and without fuss got on with things, and seems to be getting better and better.  Hopefully he'll be starting to chip in with a few more goals from set pieces too, as he should be very dominant in those positions.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: darren woolley on October 23, 2017, 10:51:19 AM
Class player like I've said before I'm just glad we have got him.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on October 23, 2017, 10:54:29 AM
I still don't like him.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: tomd2103 on October 23, 2017, 10:59:17 AM
I'm grudgingly coming round to the fact that he's our player.

Ah bollocks, he's been excellent, and looks a class apart.  Apart from a shaky first two or three weeks, he's just quietly and without fuss got on with things, and seems to be getting better and better.  Hopefully he'll be starting to chip in with a few more goals from set pieces too, as he should be very dominant in those positions.

Yep.  His reading of the game really is top class and makes up for any lack of pace.  He is pretty close to being two footed as well, as those cross field balls he hits with his left foot are very effective. 
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chris Smith on October 23, 2017, 10:59:50 AM
I still don't like him.

When it comes down to it he is an employee doing a job, we can admire the work without having to like the man.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Brend'Watkins on October 23, 2017, 11:05:26 AM
The age thing doesn't appear to be an issue either.  Yes, his pace isn't much now but it never really was one of his strengths.  He compensates for lack of it in many other ways. I'm glad we've seen the back of Baker, any good that came from him was undone by his ability to fuck up at various points throughout most games he was involved in. He's the only player we've had who could challenge in the air for a ball ,win it more often than not and land on his two feet but would still need to do some stretching movement after as he'd tweaked something or other.  No surprise to me that he's currently out injured for Bristol City.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on October 23, 2017, 11:06:49 AM
I still don't like him.

When it comes down to it he is an employee doing a job, we can admire the work without having to like the man.

Yes, I'll go along with that.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: SteveN on October 23, 2017, 12:39:44 PM
Don't like him but he has been one of the best, if not the best, central defenders playing at the top level. Most premier teams, especially Liverpool and Arsenal, would benefit from having him.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Drummond on October 23, 2017, 01:21:26 PM
He's been bloody brilliant. I hate saying it but it's true.

Makes such a difference to the side and gives reassurance that we've not had back there for a while. And he can pass.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: mr underhill on October 23, 2017, 04:10:12 PM
I wonder why he elected to come to us when he must have had more attractive footballing and financial options? I thought he completely unbalanced our defense in the first few games but by and large he has had a positive impact and for that i am grateful. As to like or dislike it's irrelevant - as my old Marketing Director used to say -  you don't have to like me, but you do have to respect me.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: tomd2103 on October 23, 2017, 04:25:39 PM
I wonder why he elected to come to us when he must have had more attractive footballing and financial options? I thought he completely unbalanced our defense in the first few games but by and large he has had a positive impact and for that i am grateful. As to like or dislike it's irrelevant - as my old Marketing Director used to say -  you don't have to like me, but you do have to respect me.

I think that part of that was that Chester was going through a bit of a dip in form.  He's since recovered his form and looks back to his best. 
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Diablo on October 23, 2017, 04:27:02 PM
I wonder why he elected to come to us when he must have had more attractive footballing and financial options? I thought he completely unbalanced our defense in the first few games but by and large he has had a positive impact and for that i am grateful. As to like or dislike it's irrelevant - as my old Marketing Director used to say -  you don't have to like me, but you do have to respect me.
Was your Marketing Director Il Duce?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: mr underhill on October 23, 2017, 05:00:05 PM
ha! he was a hard as nails Liverpudlian my then company recruited from McKinsey's - probably the world's leading management consultancy back then. I never really warmed to him as a person but had total respect for his professionalism and learned more from him than anyone else in any  company I worked for.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: clash city rocker on October 23, 2017, 06:02:47 PM
Like him or loath him Terry is a big asset for us at the moment and i'm more than happy with that.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on October 23, 2017, 08:43:50 PM
ha! he was a hard as nails Liverpudlian my then company recruited from McKinsey's - probably the world's leading management consultancy back then. I never really warmed to him as a person but had total respect for his professionalism and learned more from him than anyone else in any  company I worked for.

Some of the toughest, scariest blokes I know work in marketing.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: LukeJames on October 23, 2017, 08:49:40 PM
I genuinly thought he'd come he and it would be the John Terry show. But fair play to him as he's just got in with it and kept his head down.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Keeno on October 25, 2017, 01:27:45 PM
ha! he was a hard as nails Liverpudlian my then company recruited from McKinsey's - probably the world's leading management consultancy back then. I never really warmed to him as a person but had total respect for his professionalism and learned more from him than anyone else in any  company I worked for.

A wonderful analogy for Terry so far with us...
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chris Jameson on October 25, 2017, 02:25:08 PM
loath him Terry is a big ass
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Diablo on October 25, 2017, 04:46:25 PM
I wonder how Gerald Appleyard will get on Sunday? Be interesting to hear the reaction from them lot as he reportedly turned down a move there. I bet he must be thanking his lucky stars he didn't rock up with Harry after all that's happened.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on October 25, 2017, 07:42:41 PM
There is zero chance terry was ever going to Blues. I mean, the man is not an idiot.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: saunders_heroes on October 25, 2017, 07:45:23 PM
There is zero chance terry was ever going to Blues. I mean, the man is not an idiot.

Exactly, he was never gonna go there. It was just another in a long line of Redknapp’s tall tales and they lapped it up his bullshit.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: LeeB on October 25, 2017, 11:14:52 PM
There is zero chance terry was ever going to Blues. I mean, the man is not an idiot.

Exactly, he was never gonna go there. It was just another in a long line of Redknapp’s tall tales and they lapped it up his bullshit.

He was in so many ways the perfect manager for them. It's a shame it had to end.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chris Jameson on October 26, 2017, 12:14:08 PM
There is zero chance terry was ever going to Blues. I mean, the man is not an idiot.

He is an idiot but not insane.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: darren woolley on October 26, 2017, 01:43:13 PM
Like him or loath him Terry is a big asset for us at the moment and i'm more than happy with that.

I agree with you.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Diablo on October 26, 2017, 05:13:58 PM
There is zero chance terry was ever going to Blues. I mean, the man is not an idiot.

Exactly, he was never gonna go there. It was just another in a long line of Redknapp’s tall tales and they lapped it up his bullshit.

He was in so many ways the perfect manager for them. It's a shame it had to end.
As much as I'm not a fan of 'Arry I'm pretty glad it did as I think he would have turned them around. I don't know what the owners were thinking (unless of course Cotterill was the one really responsible for keeping them up last year and his absence was the reason why they were doing crap?).
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: LeeB on October 26, 2017, 07:41:50 PM
There is zero chance terry was ever going to Blues. I mean, the man is not an idiot.

Exactly, he was never gonna go there. It was just another in a long line of Redknapp’s tall tales and they lapped it up his bullshit.

He was in so many ways the perfect manager for them. It's a shame it had to end.
As much as I'm not a fan of 'Arry I'm pretty glad it did as I think he would have turned them around. I don't know what the owners were thinking (unless of course Cotterill was the one really responsible for keeping them up last year and his absence was the reason why they were doing crap?).

He was taking them down crashing and burning, and the whole would have played out through his very mouth on any media outlet which would listen, which of course is all of them.

It would have been brilliant. As it is they'll just go down boringly now.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Diablo on October 27, 2017, 12:46:59 AM
There is zero chance terry was ever going to Blues. I mean, the man is not an idiot.

Exactly, he was never gonna go there. It was just another in a long line of Redknapp’s tall tales and they lapped it up his bullshit.

He was in so many ways the perfect manager for them. It's a shame it had to end.
As much as I'm not a fan of 'Arry I'm pretty glad it did as I think he would have turned them around. I don't know what the owners were thinking (unless of course Cotterill was the one really responsible for keeping them up last year and his absence was the reason why they were doing crap?).

He was taking them down crashing and burning, and the whole would have played out through his very mouth on any media outlet which would listen, which of course is all of them.

It would have been brilliant. As it is they'll just go down boringly now.
Well I'll whole heartedly take either of those scenarios. In fact I think I'll find it easier to sleep tonight with those nice thoughts, cheers LeeB.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: MONCABA on October 27, 2017, 12:46:25 PM
His big game mentality will be invaluable for Sunday's game. Yet another reason why I'm confident we'll win.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Damo70 on October 27, 2017, 07:54:31 PM
His big game mentality will be invaluable for Sunday's game. Yet another reason why I'm confident we'll win.

I totally agree. He thrives on pressure and will thrive on being targeted by the noses. He has been targeted by fans of some of the biggest clubs in England and Europe so I don't think just over 20,000 of them lot will worry him.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: LeeB on October 28, 2017, 02:21:12 PM
His big game mentality will be invaluable for Sunday's game. Yet another reason why I'm confident we'll win.

I totally agree. He thrives on pressure and will thrive on being targeted by the noses. He has been targeted by fans of some of the biggest clubs in England and Europe so I don't think just over 20,000 of them lot will worry him.

We will need his refereeing skills if last seasons performance from the officials is anything to go by.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: class-of-82 on October 28, 2017, 08:44:57 PM
cometh the hour
cometh the man
tomorrow will be john terrys hour
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Jon Crofts on October 28, 2017, 09:51:00 PM
cometh the hour
cometh the man
tomorrow will be john terrys hour

Hopefully an hour and a half.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Canadian Villa on October 30, 2017, 06:27:31 PM
His happy birthday video to Dr. Tony was cringe worthy.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: LeeB on October 30, 2017, 08:46:17 PM
His happy birthday video to Dr. Tony was cringe worthy.

I'll allow him that as everything he's done on the pitch for us has been first class.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 01, 2017, 09:42:17 PM
Absolutely excellent tonight.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: aj2k77 on November 01, 2017, 09:43:54 PM
Proper Harry Redknapp Top Top player.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: manic-road on November 01, 2017, 09:46:00 PM
Absolutely excellent tonight.

Absolutely, it's been a while since I last felt confident about our back four.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 01, 2017, 09:47:33 PM
He’s been superb. And a brilliant leader. Has gone about it very quietly and selflessly. A bit at the end there with Keinan after the post game interview was nice.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Drummond on November 01, 2017, 09:47:53 PM
Seems wasted on this league doesn't he? The twat.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Risso on November 01, 2017, 09:48:03 PM
I love John Terry.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 01, 2017, 09:49:12 PM
He's been a very good player for us, still a massive ****** mind.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: London Villan on November 01, 2017, 09:49:38 PM
Class on the pitch...
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Smirker on November 01, 2017, 09:52:34 PM
Was good tonight. I don't mind him.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Deano's Mullet on November 01, 2017, 09:56:48 PM
He's won me over this last two months or so. My missus thinks I am fickle, she cant bring herself to cheer him.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: villabear on November 01, 2017, 10:13:31 PM
He's quality. Nice to see him in the refs ear when Keinan got involved in some shenanigans.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Deano's Mullet on November 01, 2017, 10:14:03 PM
I did enjoy Terry celebrating with Chester at the end too.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: aj2k77 on November 01, 2017, 10:18:08 PM
Take a bow.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Nastylee on November 01, 2017, 10:22:29 PM
He's the type of player every other fan will hate but you can't help but feel pleased that he's in your back four.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on November 01, 2017, 10:37:53 PM
Didn't Sky show some weird stat that he has the most clean sheets in English football or something crazy?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 01, 2017, 10:38:53 PM
Didn't Sky show some weird stat that he has the most clean sheets in English football or something crazy?

That's because he's always in someone else's bed.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on November 01, 2017, 10:40:06 PM
Didn't Sky show some weird stat that he has the most clean sheets in English football or something crazy?

That's because he's always in someone else's bed.

Ba Boom! :)
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 01, 2017, 10:42:22 PM
Didn't Sky show some weird stat that he has the most clean sheets in English football or something crazy?

That's because he's always in someone else's bed.

Ba Boom! :)

Even Scott Hogan would have buried that one it was such a perfect set up.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: adrenachrome on November 01, 2017, 10:50:09 PM
Didn't Sky show some weird stat that he has the most clean sheets in English football or something crazy?

That's because he's always in someone else's bed.

Ba Boom! :)

Even Scott Hogan would have buried that one it was such a perfect set up.

Apparently, the Chelsea manager at the time told JT to watch out for the player in the hole, and JT thought he meant he should should go and get his Ashleigh, which is Essex speak for hole.  Cheryl was away, so he decided to burn his Bridges.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Damo70 on November 01, 2017, 10:57:29 PM
He is a massive influence on the team, playing well, reffing games and doing his wonderful trick of fouling an opponent whilst appearing to be the one who is being fouled. When was the last time we had someone as 'streetwise' as him in the team?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: QuintonVilla on November 01, 2017, 11:07:08 PM
He wins absolutely everything. He doesn't need to be able to run because he reads the game so well and he walks through games with ease. Class is permanent.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: PeterWithe on November 01, 2017, 11:11:40 PM
He is an incredible player, he also seemed to manage to get Keinan to stay on the pitch

Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Mellin on November 01, 2017, 11:14:27 PM
Too good for the Championship, but I'm glad he's here.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: jcsutv on November 01, 2017, 11:15:55 PM
Too good for the Championship, but I'm glad he's here.
I am fickle where JT is concerned. Ha ha.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: saunders_heroes on November 01, 2017, 11:16:44 PM
I love John Terry.

Me too.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 01, 2017, 11:18:42 PM
I think John has mirrored our season. Looked dodgy at the start and I was wondering whether the signing was more trouble than it was worth given how poor Chester looked alongside him but they both have cigars out now which is good to see.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: QuintonVilla on November 01, 2017, 11:22:24 PM
For me we have to prioritise signing a centre half in January. If him or Chester get injured and we've only got Samba to call upon we're buggered.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: cdward on November 01, 2017, 11:27:43 PM
Another thread poll that is going in the bin. What do we know anyway?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 01, 2017, 11:34:26 PM
His fitness has been a pleasant surprise aswell.

Thought he'd struggle to play the midweek games given his age but don't think he's missed a league game yet?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 02, 2017, 12:45:43 AM
At his age, you have to keep playing, in fact stamina in late 30s is not the problem.
It is the breaks that kill you and getting back to match fitness from injuries.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: leylandalbion on November 02, 2017, 07:01:33 AM
His fitness has been a pleasant surprise aswell.

Thought he'd struggle to play the midweek games given his age but don't think he's missed a league game yet?
He hasn't missed a minute yet
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: muelyvilla82 on November 02, 2017, 08:06:46 AM
Have to say him and Chester were like a brick wall last night, long may it continue.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Brend'Watkins on November 02, 2017, 08:07:47 AM
Alongside Chester he's better than anything we currently have even allowing for his years and his lack of pace. His added experience and know how will definitely add something. I don't think we'll be too guilty of the defence being 'all over the place' in games next season.

Having said all that, I don't really want him here and would rather as others have suggested opted for a younger player with potential.  If you're Steve Bruce with only this season to get the job done you're not going to take that risk if you can bring in Terry.

I’m not one to blow my own trumpet but I’ll make an exception here.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: mr underhill on November 02, 2017, 08:56:54 AM
looking increasingly influential without it becoming a narcissistic 'look at me fest'. Helping to get us promoted would be right up there with the highlights of his career.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Damo70 on November 02, 2017, 09:16:57 AM
With the state they are in I wonder if Everton's highly paid director of football and former top flight centre half Steve Walsh regrets not trying to change John Terry's mind about staying in the Premier League.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: dave shelley on November 02, 2017, 09:32:52 AM
Alongside Chester he's better than anything we currently have even allowing for his years and his lack of pace. His added experience and know how will definitely add something. I don't think we'll be too guilty of the defence being 'all over the place' in games next season.

Having said all that, I don't really want him here and would rather as others have suggested opted for a younger player with potential.  If you're Steve Bruce with only this season to get the job done you're not going to take that risk if you can bring in Terry.

I’m not one to blow my own trumpet but I’ll make an exception here.

It's that knock on the head you got yesterday.  Hope you're feeling better today with no long-lasting after effects.  Mind yourself.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on November 02, 2017, 09:39:42 AM
With the state they are in I wonder if Everton's highly paid director of football and former top flight centre half Steve Walsh regrets not trying to change John Terry's mind about staying in the Premier League.

He can join them next year if he still doesn't want to play against Chelsea.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: supertom on November 02, 2017, 09:51:32 AM
My biggest worry about Terry was whether he'd have the desire after leaving Chelsea and dropping a tier. Whether he'd coast. Say what you will about the guy off the pitch (and occasionally on it) but what he's proved is, whether he's 28 and in the Champions League, or he's playing away days in Preston in the Championship at 52 (or however old he is now), he gives nothing less than 100%.
Sod it, I'm fickle, and if he carries this on there's the distinct possibility I may even (sicks in his mouth a little) refer to him as "JT."

I'm glad he's here. We've had big names come in at the back in recent years like Lescott and Richards. It's quite clear why they failed where JT (oh shit...) is succeeding. Attitude and desire. They treated us like an easy ride and a cash dispensing machine and little more.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Clark W Griswold on November 02, 2017, 11:55:25 AM
I was glad we signed him at the time and even more so now we can see the positive impact he's having on the pitch.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chris Jameson on November 02, 2017, 01:06:22 PM
I'm still in the 'hate the bloke and can't wait for him to bugger off at the end of the season' camp.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Richard E on November 02, 2017, 01:10:19 PM
I'm still in the 'hate the bloke and can't wait for him to b*gger off at the end of the season' camp.

Will you cheer when he lifts the FA Cup for us in May? That would be the ultimate dilemma.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Can Gana Be Bettered!?!? on November 02, 2017, 01:12:12 PM
I'm still in the 'hate the bloke and can't wait for him to b*gger off at the end of the season' camp.

Will you cheer when he lifts the FA Cup for us in May? That would be the ultimate dilemma.

I thought more likely scores last minute winner in play-offs final.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on November 02, 2017, 01:14:40 PM
Alongside Chester he's better than anything we currently have even allowing for his years and his lack of pace. His added experience and know how will definitely add something. I don't think we'll be too guilty of the defence being 'all over the place' in games next season.

Having said all that, I don't really want him here and would rather as others have suggested opted for a younger player with potential.  If you're Steve Bruce with only this season to get the job done you're not going to take that risk if you can bring in Terry.

I’m not one to blow my own trumpet but I’ll make an exception here.
What, you predicted that one of the best defenders in the Premier League for the last 10 years and captain of a multiple trophy winning team and former England Captain would do ok in the Championship?

Take a bow Nostradamus.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: exigo on November 02, 2017, 01:15:20 PM
I'm still in the 'hate the bloke and can't wait for him to b*gger off at the end of the season' camp.

Will you cheer when he lifts the FA Cup for us in May? That would be the ultimate dilemma.

I thought more likely scores last minute winner in play-offs final.

More likely sits on the bench suspended, and still changes into his full kit for the trophy presentation.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Hookeysmith on November 02, 2017, 01:46:17 PM
I certainly do not look to him to be a role model off the pitch and never have.

Once settled after a dodgy start he has become clearly the best CH we have had since God. The class he shows in doing his job whilst looking like not breaking sweat is a joy to watch. I noticed more last night in the first half (as I was close to the pitch) how much he controls what others do also and he reads a through ball before the guy actually hits it - he really should win championship player of the year. I think Chester must love playing with him.

I criticise Bruce for many things, justifiably so in my mind, but the Terry signing could well be a stroke of genius
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chris Jameson on November 02, 2017, 01:54:33 PM
I'm still in the 'hate the bloke and can't wait for him to b*gger off at the end of the season' camp.

Will you cheer when he lifts the FA Cup for us in May? That would be the ultimate dilemma.

With my track record watching football on TV, I'll be fast asleep before half time.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: AV82EC on November 02, 2017, 01:57:14 PM
I thought his reffing of the game last night was exemplary. He played well in defence as well.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Tayls_7 on November 02, 2017, 02:07:42 PM
I certainly do not look to him to be a role model off the pitch and never have.

Once settled after a dodgy start he has become clearly the best CH we have had since God. The class he shows in doing his job whilst looking like not breaking sweat is a joy to watch. I noticed more last night in the first half (as I was close to the pitch) how much he controls what others do also and he reads a through ball before the guy actually hits it - he really should win championship player of the year. I think Chester must love playing with him.

I criticise Bruce for many things, justifiably so in my mind, but the Terry signing could well be a stroke of genius

Poor old Laursen and Mellberg.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: XXVilla on November 02, 2017, 02:22:21 PM
Better than both but not necessarily as popular.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on November 02, 2017, 02:27:45 PM
Poor old Laursen and Mellberg.

I like Mellberg, but I doubt even his gran thinks he is the same class as Terry. Best centre back we have had in a long time.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chris Jameson on November 02, 2017, 02:36:25 PM
Can't compare them, Mellberg and Laursen were coming up against top class strikers each week, whereas the number 26 isn't.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 02, 2017, 02:39:47 PM
Terry at his best was undoubtedly better than either at their peak. I wouldn't necessarily say the Second Division version we have now is better than the top-flight Mellberg or Laursen.

That's not to belittle Terry's performances at all. Since an awkward first month he's been, generally, excellent.

I still don't like him, though.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Brend'Watkins on November 02, 2017, 02:49:12 PM
Alongside Chester he's better than anything we currently have even allowing for his years and his lack of pace. His added experience and know how will definitely add something. I don't think we'll be too guilty of the defence being 'all over the place' in games next season.

Having said all that, I don't really want him here and would rather as others have suggested opted for a younger player with potential.  If you're Steve Bruce with only this season to get the job done you're not going to take that risk if you can bring in Terry.

I’m not one to blow my own trumpet but I’ll make an exception here.
What, you predicted that one of the best defenders in the Premier League for the last 10 years and captain of a multiple trophy winning team and former England Captain would do ok in the Championship?

Take a bow Nostradamus.

He had his age..implying he was past it, his lack of pace, here for easy money, we could have got better for the money and whatever thrown at him when he first signed to add to the general dislike of the person. I don't know what your stance was from the start.  Did you sit on the fence perhaps?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: XXVilla on November 02, 2017, 02:55:41 PM
Can't compare them, Mellberg and Laursen were coming up against top class strikers each week, whereas the number 26 isn't.

Of course JT hasn’t faced any top class strikers throughout his career
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: manic-road on November 02, 2017, 02:56:32 PM
I thought his reffing of the game last night was exemplary. He played well in defence as well.

He seems to ref a lot of the games at the moment which I don't mind.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 02, 2017, 03:01:13 PM
Can't compare them, Mellberg and Laursen were coming up against top class strikers each week, whereas the number 26 isn't.

Of course JT hasn’t faced any top class strikers throughout his career

Nobody has said otherwise. Someone suggested that he was our best defender since Paul McGrath. For that you have to take into account his Villa form only, and for that you have to take into account the standard of the opposition.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chris Smith on November 02, 2017, 03:16:45 PM
Can't compare them, Mellberg and Laursen were coming up against top class strikers each week, whereas the number 26 isn't.

Of course JT hasn’t faced any top class strikers throughout his career

Nobody has said otherwise. Someone suggested that he was our best defender since Paul McGrath. For that you have to take into account his Villa form only, and for that you have to take into account the standard of the opposition.

I agree with you but without reading back it’s a fairly pointless argument. The pertinent issue is that he is as close to a perfect fit for our current circumstances as you are going to get.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chris Jameson on November 02, 2017, 03:31:21 PM
Can't compare them, Mellberg and Laursen were coming up against top class strikers each week, whereas the number 26 isn't.

Of course JT hasn’t faced any top class strikers throughout his career

'JT'.

Also, not what I said.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Jimbo on November 02, 2017, 03:50:09 PM
Please. GA.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 02, 2017, 03:52:24 PM
Quote from: Chris Smith
it’s a fairly pointless argument

😂

Are you new here?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: XXVilla on November 02, 2017, 03:57:40 PM
Can't compare them, Mellberg and Laursen were coming up against top class strikers each week, whereas the number 26 isn't.

Of course JT hasn’t faced any top class strikers throughout his career

'JT'.

See also JPA, MON, SGT, HDE. It’s just using initials to save writing the whole name. Nothing more intriguing than that.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 02, 2017, 04:19:42 PM
Fair enough, Xavier Xylophone Villa.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chris Jameson on November 02, 2017, 04:25:03 PM
It should be BJTCLL. (Brave etc...)

Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 02, 2017, 04:31:42 PM
Bastard John Terry, Chelsea loving lepidopterist?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: KevinGage on November 02, 2017, 04:54:38 PM
Don't like him. Still don't think CB was a position we needed to spunk 60k per week on based on the effectiveness of the pair last season.

But after a ropey start, he has improved. The concern is that at that age, if the legs do go, it will be a pretty rapid decline.

But on recent form, he can't be classed in the Lescott,  Richards or countless other big-name-on-a-downward-spiral category; that is, Shitehawks who have rinsed the club dry recent years. That was my fear when we signed him.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chris Smith on November 02, 2017, 05:16:36 PM
Don't like him. Still don't think CB was a position we needed to spunk 60k per week on based on the effectiveness of the pair last season.

But after a ropey start, he has improved. The concern is that at that age, if the legs do go, it will be a pretty rapid decline.

But on recent form, he can't be classed in the Lescott,  Richards or countless other big-name-on-a-downward-spiral category; that is, Shitehawks who have rinsed the club dry recent years. That was my fear when we signed him.

I am not sure longevity is a factor if he is only going to be with us for a season. Eight clean sheets since the start of September demonstrates exactly why we needed him.

Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on November 02, 2017, 05:18:06 PM
Alongside Chester he's better than anything we currently have even allowing for his years and his lack of pace. His added experience and know how will definitely add something. I don't think we'll be too guilty of the defence being 'all over the place' in games next season.

Having said all that, I don't really want him here and would rather as others have suggested opted for a younger player with potential.  If you're Steve Bruce with only this season to get the job done you're not going to take that risk if you can bring in Terry.

I’m not one to blow my own trumpet but I’ll make an exception here.
What, you predicted that one of the best defenders in the Premier League for the last 10 years and captain of a multiple trophy winning team and former England Captain would do ok in the Championship?

Take a bow Nostradamus.

He had his age..implying he was past it, his lack of pace, here for easy money, we could have got better for the money and whatever thrown at him when he first signed to add to the general dislike of the person. I don't know what your stance was from the start.  Did you sit on the fence perhaps?
No I said I thought he’d be an excellent signing.  Can’t recall if I posted or not but suspect I did.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: clash city rocker on November 02, 2017, 05:37:53 PM
Think Terry is a massive asset for us at the moment.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: cheltenhamlion on November 02, 2017, 06:06:14 PM
I still can't stand the fucker but must concede his form over the past couple of months has been excellent. Best central defender in the league and also the best referee.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Dave Cooper please on November 02, 2017, 09:52:38 PM
Think Terry is a massive ass

Fixed!
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: MoetVillan on November 02, 2017, 09:59:01 PM
Think Terry is a massive ass

Fixed!
Genius.
Still hate him, but fair play he is doing the business
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 02, 2017, 10:54:51 PM
Surprised at how comfortable he is on his left foot. Never really noticed that before while at Chelsea but it makes him that much better that he doesn’t really have a weaker side so to speak.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: tomd2103 on November 03, 2017, 01:15:14 AM
I still can't stand the fucker but must concede his form over the past couple of months has been excellent. Best central defender in the league and also the best referee.

Don't want to tempt fate, but I think him and Chester are a better defensive partnership than the ones at a number of Premier League clubs at the moment. 
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: pbavfckuwait on November 03, 2017, 04:32:18 AM
Would I invite him round my house for dinner, NO, do I want him to be a focus of the much at the moment improved Villa team and bringing to the pitch, things we have not had for at least 6 years, game management, vision in his position, ability to pass out of defence not into row z, by example on the pitch improve the players immediately around him, Chester, Hutton, talk refs out of what they may be thinking, YES I do, not a fan of Mr. Bruce but this signing was a master stroke.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: mr underhill on November 03, 2017, 07:06:09 AM
it's a masterstroke as long as he can  avoid injury and keep the JT Show on the furthest of back burners.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Hookeysmith on November 03, 2017, 01:00:09 PM
Quote
avoid injury and keep the JT Show on the furthest of back burners.

Another thing he deserves massive credit for - he could have been billy big bollocks about it all and craved the attention - he has just got on with it and has let his football do the talking

Fair fucking play to the guy
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Diablo on November 03, 2017, 03:58:59 PM
No diggity No doubt Gerald Appleyard has (to date) been very professional.  May it continue for however long he has the honour of donning a Villa shirt.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on November 04, 2017, 05:24:11 PM
Broken his foot.  Just fcukin great.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 04, 2017, 05:24:46 PM
Terrible blow for us.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: dorsetvillian on November 04, 2017, 05:27:15 PM
FFS
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: QuintonVilla on November 04, 2017, 05:36:14 PM
Mid table here we come. This will end our promotion chances.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Steve67 on November 04, 2017, 05:37:30 PM
Metatarsal apparently. Not as bad but still shit.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on November 04, 2017, 05:38:02 PM
6 - 8 weeks out is the norm. Just what we needed.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on November 04, 2017, 05:39:36 PM
7 weeks minimum then?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: London Villan on November 04, 2017, 05:40:06 PM
6 weeks?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on November 04, 2017, 05:40:36 PM
That’ll be a lot of games still though?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on November 04, 2017, 05:41:13 PM
Put Jedi in the centre of defence.  Better than Samba.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: London Villan on November 04, 2017, 05:41:39 PM
10 games?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: CT on November 04, 2017, 05:42:17 PM
Put Jedi in the centre of defence.  Better than Samba.

Absolutely. If Samba starts the next ten games it will cost us big time.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on November 04, 2017, 05:42:36 PM
Why always us we are cursed.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Meanwood Villa on November 04, 2017, 05:47:36 PM
Where is this being reported?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 04, 2017, 05:48:07 PM
Where is this being reported?

By Steve Bruce.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: four fornicholl on November 04, 2017, 05:51:37 PM
Must still be only suspected, surely?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Ad@m on November 04, 2017, 05:53:24 PM
Must still be only suspected, surely?

Having broken many bones in my feet and hands you know when you've done it.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: frank black on November 04, 2017, 06:06:03 PM
That’s all round shit day then. Get well soon JT, bring on the  Elphick.......face palm emoticon thingy.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 04, 2017, 06:14:20 PM
Bad blow that.

Probably won't see him again until xmas although at least there's a two week gap now.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: myf on November 04, 2017, 06:14:39 PM
Pretty naive expecting both centre backs to go injury free with  little in reserve, especially when one is 36. Imagine if Chester picks up a knock now we'll be truly screwed
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Clampy on November 04, 2017, 06:16:01 PM
Pretty naive expecting both centre backs to go injury free with  little in reserve, especially when one is 36. Imagine if Chester picks up a knock now we'll be truly screwed

You say little in reserve but we have Samba, Elphick and Jedinak who could slot in if need be.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 04, 2017, 06:17:06 PM
Elphick will be needed now I think.

If we get injuries in central midfield Jedinak will be needed there.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: frank black on November 04, 2017, 06:17:23 PM
To be fair there’s not going to be many teams with substitute Centre halfs of the same quality as Chester and Terry. It’s up to samba and Elphick to step up their games.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on November 04, 2017, 06:21:12 PM

Fuck that. Get young Sulliman involved. Who do we have who's left footed ?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: saunders_heroes on November 04, 2017, 06:52:05 PM
I’d still Jedinak at centreback till Terry returns. I have a soft spot for Samba but I just don’t trust him for 90 minutes especially on the deck.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Ad@m on November 04, 2017, 06:54:00 PM
I’d still Jedinak at centreback till Terry returns. I have a soft spot for Samba but I just don’t trust him for 90 minutes especially on the deck.

It was so utterly inevitable that we'd concede again when Samba came on.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: sickbeggar on November 04, 2017, 06:59:17 PM
Total disaster. Wait for the confidence to drain out of our back 4 now.  Can we really do the Bruce's back to the wall tactics now with Terry out?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: saunders_heroes on November 04, 2017, 06:59:21 PM
I’d still Jedinak at centreback till Terry returns. I have a soft spot for Samba but I just don’t trust him for 90 minutes especially on the deck.

It was so utterly inevitable that we'd concede again when Samba came on.

Those first ten minutes after Terry went off cost us the game. I know they scored in the first minute but until the injury we controlled the game and I thought we’d pick them off, then Terry went down and we lost the plot. Then we just chased the game and they defended and hit us on the break.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chris Jameson on November 04, 2017, 07:07:25 PM
Terry out?

We need a poll but I know which way I would vote.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 04, 2017, 07:27:22 PM
We have plenty of cover and 2 good defensive central midfield players.
it just needs a manager with the skill to deploy the resources we have effectively.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: sickbeggar on November 04, 2017, 07:37:03 PM
We have plenty of cover and 2 good defensive central midfield players.
it just needs a manager with the skill to deploy the resources we have effectively.

Sorry but i don't see anyone who can do Terry's job to anywhere like his standard.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 04, 2017, 07:38:08 PM
We have plenty of cover and 2 good defensive central midfield players.
it just needs a manager with the skill to deploy the resources we have effectively.

Sorry but i don't see anyone who can do Terry's job to anywhere like his standard.
Thats a different point.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Tuscans on November 04, 2017, 08:26:42 PM
5th metatarsal broken in JT's foot. Posted a pic of him in a cast on his instagram
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: FanNOTCustomer on November 04, 2017, 08:33:20 PM
That's your little toe. Can we not just drug him up with pain killers and play him? Ho does it differ from catching it on the bottom of the door frame? Sure I've done mine a few times without diagnosis.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Tuscans on November 04, 2017, 08:35:08 PM
From an orthopaedic website about the fifth metatarsal....

What happens after surgery?

"For the first seven to 14 days after surgery, you may be allowed to weight bear through the heel, but some surgeons will not allow you to bear any weight on the injured foot. This could last as long as six weeks. Weight bearing in a removable walking boot is allowed after that. Patients can expect to return to full activity three to four months after a typical fracture. This includes returning to sports. Some fractures may require bone grafting and have longer recoveries. The screw is not usually removed unless it causes discomfort."

I always thought 6 to 8 weeks.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: sickbeggar on November 04, 2017, 08:36:41 PM
so out for the season near enough? Great.  :-[
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: FanNOTCustomer on November 04, 2017, 08:39:15 PM
Has it been said he requires surgery? 6-8 weeks in the standard after a quick sweep of the www
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Tuscans on November 04, 2017, 08:41:08 PM
Has it been said he requires surgery? 6-8 weeks in the standard after a quick sweep of the www
True...I'm guessing not if he's sitting at home with a big wellie on.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 04, 2017, 08:50:59 PM
Metatarsal is about two months.

Even then you're not fully fit as likes of Beckham and Rooney showed when they played in world cups after coming back from injuries.

I don't think we'll see him again until the new year if I had to guess when he'd play again.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Lsvilla on November 04, 2017, 09:00:35 PM
Given his record as a fkw turning up to lift a trophy without having played for a while could we cling onto this as some hope from today ? Promotion sealed by the time he’s back ? I say this as someone genuinely gutted about his absence as he has totally won me over since the signing was confirmed - added to not backing him for first goal at the Fulham game at my missus request because time was short and I wanted to queue for a beer.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on November 04, 2017, 09:06:14 PM
I think we are using the beckham recovery period forced on him almost because of the World Cup.  Of course he went but didn’t exactly look fit.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: sickbeggar on November 04, 2017, 09:09:07 PM
I'd guess end of January being reasonably cautious. Lets hope he's got a promotion challenge to come back to
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: XXVilla on November 04, 2017, 09:28:41 PM
Metatarsal 8 weeks in plaster then recovery. Maybe K wires if the break is bad.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: clash city rocker on November 04, 2017, 09:35:24 PM
This could really shit on our season.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: paul_e on November 04, 2017, 09:45:58 PM
Metatarsal 8 weeks in plaster then recovery. Maybe K wires if the break is bad.

I'd be suprised if it's in plaster anything like that long, 4-5 weeks at the most and then about the same again in recovery and light training.  I'd expect to see him get some games with the U23s in mid-january and be back at the end of the month, unless there's something a little more complicated about it.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on November 04, 2017, 10:11:54 PM
I run a Credit Department so in my expert opinion I don’t have a clue how long he will be out for.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 04, 2017, 10:17:39 PM
I doubt we'll see him until Feb at the earliest.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: olaftab on November 04, 2017, 10:24:13 PM
I am sorry that he is injured but this one injury is not going to or should not derail us. We have other bigger issues that need fixing.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: XXVilla on November 04, 2017, 10:32:05 PM
I am sorry that he is injured but this one injury is not going to or should not derail us. We have other bigger issues that need fixing.

Unfortunately it might.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on November 04, 2017, 10:36:16 PM
Our defence hasn’t been an issue either this season or last really.  His leadership and organisation will definitely be missed though.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: XXVilla on November 04, 2017, 10:40:14 PM
It’s the other stuff he brings to the table we’ll miss. Plus his distribution is second to none.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Steve67 on November 04, 2017, 10:47:57 PM
Jedinak would be my tip to replace him. Rather him than the alternatives.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on November 04, 2017, 10:55:08 PM
Agreed as well as his leadership skills.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: sickbeggar on November 04, 2017, 11:11:57 PM
I think we're in deep doo-doo. We didn't have him last season and that speaks for itself
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: curiousorange on November 04, 2017, 11:27:02 PM
It'll be Samba. I know it, you know it...
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: adrenachrome on November 05, 2017, 12:18:49 AM
It'll be Samba. I know it, you know it...

I can live with Samba if Jedinak is a DCM. Chester may even benefit and express himself more forcefully. Dialectics teach us that of the bad comes the good.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chris Jameson on November 05, 2017, 11:15:38 AM
I run a Credit Department so in my expert opinion I don’t have a clue how long he will be out for.

As somebody who works in a box office part time and also part time for a charity I’m happy to provide a second opinion and I too have no idea. I also have no idea how much each player earns but if pushedam quite prepared to pluck a figure out of nowhere.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chris Smith on November 05, 2017, 11:38:35 AM
Samba will do a decent enough job if yesterday is anything to go by but my many years working in a variety of IT roles suggest to me at his age he will struggle to play twice a week on a regular basis.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Diablo on November 05, 2017, 11:43:19 AM
I still can't stand the fucker but must concede his form over the past couple of months has been excellent. Best central defender in the league and also the best referee.

Don't want to tempt fate, but I think him and Chester are a better defensive partnership than the ones at a number of Premier League clubs at the moment. 
Tom do you see what you did?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Villa75 on November 05, 2017, 01:00:13 PM
Having to replace Terry with Samba is like replacing Mila Kunis with Bella Emberg - for 12 fucking weeks!

With our money, how has of come to this?

Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chris Jameson on November 05, 2017, 01:05:53 PM
Who’d have thought that a 36 year old whobarely played last season would miss a few matches through injury?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Richard E on November 05, 2017, 01:06:59 PM
Samba isn't John Terry but he will do a perfectly competent job at this level.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Taylor on November 05, 2017, 01:08:26 PM
Having to replace Terry with Samba is like replacing Mila Kunis with Bella Emberg - for 12 fucking weeks!

With our money, how has of come to this?



Are you suggesting we should have bought a player as good as John Terry only to play him whenever Terry is injured? We have defensive back up in Samba and Elphick, they are not as good as the first choice, but isn't that the nature of back up?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Clark W Griswold on November 05, 2017, 01:20:49 PM
I also like the Jedinak idea.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Villa75 on November 05, 2017, 02:56:01 PM
Having to replace Terry with Samba is like replacing Mila Kunis with Bella Emberg - for 12 fucking weeks!

With our money, how has of come to this?



Are you suggesting we should have bought a player as good as John Terry only to play him whenever Terry is injured? We have defensive back up in Samba and Elphick, they are not as good as the first choice, but isn't that the nature of back up?

No. I'm suggesting that Samba is NOWHERE NEAR an adequate back up for Terry. Go look at Bella Emberg v Mila Kunis, and you should get it.



Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: olaftab on November 05, 2017, 03:20:52 PM
Having to replace Terry with Samba is like replacing Mila Kunis with Bella Emberg - for 12 fucking weeks!
Bella Emberg is a far far better actor.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Drummond on November 05, 2017, 03:23:48 PM
Having to replace Terry with Samba is like replacing Mila Kunis with Bella Emberg - for 12 fucking weeks!

With our money, how has of come to this?



Are you suggesting we should have bought a player as good as John Terry only to play him whenever Terry is injured? We have defensive back up in Samba and Elphick, they are not as good as the first choice, but isn't that the nature of back up?

No. I'm suggesting that Samba is NOWHERE NEAR an adequate back up for Terry. Go look at Bella Emberg v Mila Kunis, and you should get it.

Ah, so it's appearance you're interested in rather than effectiveness.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Villa75 on November 05, 2017, 03:31:01 PM
Having to replace Terry with Samba is like replacing Mila Kunis with Bella Emberg - for 12 fucking weeks!

With our money, how has of come to this?



Are you suggesting we should have bought a player as good as John Terry only to play him whenever Terry is injured? We have defensive back up in Samba and Elphick, they are not as good as the first choice, but isn't that the nature of back up?

No. I'm suggesting that Samba is NOWHERE NEAR an adequate back up for Terry. Go look at Bella Emberg v Mila Kunis, and you should get it.

Ah, so it's appearance you're interested in rather than effectiveness.

Well, if an 80 year old Bella Emberg is more effective (successful in producing a desired or intended result) for you than Mila Kunis, who am I to argue. 😉
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on November 05, 2017, 03:37:04 PM


Time for Sulliman or Clark.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chris Jameson on November 05, 2017, 03:47:56 PM
I’ve no idea who Mila Kunis is, are they a defender?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 05, 2017, 03:49:23 PM
I think they play in the Cypriot League. Vaguely remember them knocking Kilmarnock out of the UEFA Cup.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Richard E on November 05, 2017, 03:49:52 PM
I’ve no idea who Mila Kunis is, are they a defender?

Red Star Belgrade centre-half
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Villa Lew on November 05, 2017, 04:23:36 PM
I would replace him with Jedinak. The only good news about Terry's injury is he will came back fully  refreshed, at nearly 37 it would've been hard for him to keep up the level of performances, we've seen to date.

Onomah is our only quality midfielder, but he's still a bit hit or miss, need Jack to find the form he was in, when he first established himself in the team, if we are going to have a chance of automatic promotion.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: frank black on November 05, 2017, 04:45:28 PM
I would replace him with Jedinak. The only good news about Terry's injury is he will came back fully  refreshed, at nearly 37 it would've been hard for him to keep up the level of performances, we've seen to date.

Onomah is our only quality midfielder, but he's still a bit hit or miss, need Jack to find the form he was in, when he first established himself in the team, if we are going to have a chance of automatic promotion.

Unlikely to come back refreshed, more likely to be lacking match fitness and a little less sharp for a few weeks.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on November 05, 2017, 07:49:20 PM
Villa owner Dr Xia Jiantong (Tony) PhD, Professor, Entrepreneur and Genius Billionaire has revealed Terry is set to miss up to 10 weeks of the season.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Villa75 on November 05, 2017, 08:56:29 PM
Villa owner Dr Xia Jiantong (Tony) PhD, Professor, Entrepreneur and Genius Billionaire has revealed Terry is set to miss up to 10 weeks of the season.

That's Bruce's 'Get out of jail free' card for this season then.

Here's to another Championship challenge, 2018/19, with Steve 'he's done it before, don't you know', Bruce.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: tomd2103 on November 05, 2017, 10:59:51 PM
Very bad news all round.  Not only does it mean bringing in a replacement who is not as good as Terry, but it also that Chester will likely have to shift to the left side as he did yesterday, which impacts on him.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: pbavfckuwait on November 06, 2017, 07:35:38 AM
If this is Bruce's "Get out of Jail free" card , then Dr Tony, Round and Wyness are the ones that need looking at, if Bruce stated that " if I have John injury free and available all season, were sound", they then need to take the brunt of the supporters anger, not some chancer who has managed to convince them of that.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Ads on November 06, 2017, 07:36:28 AM
Villa owner Dr Xia Jiantong (Tony) PhD, Professor, Entrepreneur and Genius Billionaire has revealed Terry is set to miss up to 10 weeks of the season.


Copying the Noses. Odd behaviour.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on November 06, 2017, 08:12:54 AM
I hadn’t bloody realised that.  I’m very sorry.  I cc’d it must’ve been from one of their links as I was doing a bit voyeurism over there.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Drummond on November 06, 2017, 09:08:05 AM
Having to replace Terry with Samba is like replacing Mila Kunis with Bella Emberg - for 12 fucking weeks!

With our money, how has of come to this?



Are you suggesting we should have bought a player as good as John Terry only to play him whenever Terry is injured? We have defensive back up in Samba and Elphick, they are not as good as the first choice, but isn't that the nature of back up?

No. I'm suggesting that Samba is NOWHERE NEAR an adequate back up for Terry. Go look at Bella Emberg v Mila Kunis, and you should get it.

Ah, so it's appearance you're interested in rather than effectiveness.

Well, if an 80 year old Bella Emberg is more effective (successful in producing a desired or intended result) for you than Mila Kunis, who am I to argue. 😉

Put a blindfold on, let her take her teeth out.....
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Mister E on November 06, 2017, 09:17:30 AM
I'd play Hutton or Jedi at CB before either Samba or Elphick.
In fact, Hutton and Taylor on the left would do ok.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Ger Regan on November 06, 2017, 09:54:32 AM
Hasn't De Laet filled in at CB a fair bit in the past? Must be worth a punt, and would be a lot more mobile than Samba at the very least.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: mr underhill on November 06, 2017, 02:23:55 PM
I was thinking the same - I seem to remember people saying he could slot in anywhere defensively
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 06, 2017, 02:40:55 PM
Why are people so desperate to drop Samba? Fair enough if he plays badly, but when he's done well, and scored, I see no sense in it.

Jedinak will be in no fit state to play at QPR after travelling to Australia and Honduras in the preceding week, anyway.

By all means stick him in for the next game if Samba underperforms.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Mister E on November 06, 2017, 02:52:28 PM
Why are people so desperate to drop Samba? Fair enough if he plays badly, but when he's done well, and scored, I see no sense in it.

Jedinak will be in no fit state to play at QPR after travelling to Australia and Honduras in the preceding week, anyway.

By all means stick him in for the next game if Samba underperforms.
Samba did okay in the air, on Saturday. He looked very cumbersome and slow on the turn. He'll get mullered by a half-decent quick strikeforce.

Just sayin'.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 06, 2017, 03:37:11 PM
Sheffield Wednesday have Rhodes and Hooper. Bristol City are near the top of the league, he didn't get "mullered" by either. Jedinak struggles after international games. It would be madness to drop Samba after a good performance and a goal to bung Jedinak in after travelling further than Phileas Fogg in the week before.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: tomd2103 on November 06, 2017, 04:12:08 PM
Sheffield Wednesday have Rhodes and Hooper. Bristol City are near the top of the league, he didn't get "mullered" by either. Jedinak struggles after international games. It would be madness to drop Samba after a good performance and a goal to bung Jedinak in after travelling further than Phileas Fogg in the week before.

I agree.  Samba is 'next cab off the rank' and should be given a chance.  My main concern about it would be having to move Chester to the left hand side of central defence though.   
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: darren woolley on November 06, 2017, 04:26:03 PM
I'm gutted he's out for a while we are going to miss him we need whoever comes in to step up to the plate.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 06, 2017, 06:37:25 PM
Why are people so desperate to drop Samba? Fair enough if he plays badly, but when he's done well, and scored, I see no sense in it.

Jedinak will be in no fit state to play at QPR after travelling to Australia and Honduras in the preceding week, anyway.

By all means stick him in for the next game if Samba underperforms.

Dosen't have the mobility and fitness to play 90 minutes anymore imo. He's o.k for sub appearences.

No way we could play him 3 times in 7 days for example after the international break and you want continuity at the back which we've generally had for the last two months.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 06, 2017, 07:25:52 PM
The alternatives are Jedinak, who will be knackered, and Elphick, who will be shit.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: olaftab on November 06, 2017, 07:37:33 PM
We did ok with Jedi in centre of our defence in the final third of last season.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Ian. on November 06, 2017, 08:36:51 PM
Well I never thought I’d hear myself saying I’m gutted John Terry is injured. It’s just not right.

Hopefully we’ll fill the void, but he’s been very very good.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 06, 2017, 08:53:51 PM
We did ok with Jedi in centre of our defence in the final third of last season.

We did. Which is why he's a contender to play there during Terry's absence. Not the weekend after travelling thirty thousand miles, though.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: in exile on November 06, 2017, 10:22:11 PM
I'd rather see Jedinak playing in front of Samba and Chester
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: XXVilla on November 06, 2017, 11:10:40 PM
2 weeks of Terry’s (not allowed to say JT in case I upset CJ) absence will be the international break, so maybe 6 weeks playing time without him? Not so bad in the scheme of things
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Villa75 on November 07, 2017, 01:31:20 AM
2 weeks of Terry’s (not allowed to say JT in case I upset CJ) absence will be the international break, so maybe 6 weeks playing time without him? Not so bad in the scheme of things

He's going to miss at least 10 League matches (up to and including Jan 1st), possibly a couple more. That's a big chunk.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Mister E on November 07, 2017, 07:41:01 AM
I'd rather see Jedinak playing in front of Samba and Chester
Hutton and Taylor can manage the left side between them ....
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: TheTimVilla on November 07, 2017, 07:45:07 AM
Sheffield Wednesday have Rhodes and Hooper. Bristol City are near the top of the league, he didn't get "mullered" by either. Jedinak struggles after international games. It would be madness to drop Samba after a good performance and a goal to bung Jedinak in after travelling further than Phileas Fogg in the week before.

I agree.  Samba is 'next cab off the rank' and should be given a chance.  My main concern about it would be having to move Chester to the left hand side of central defence though.   

Doesn't Chester prefer playing on the left? I thought he moved across to accommodate Baker, and now Terry?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: eamonn on November 07, 2017, 08:35:04 AM
What is the actual story with Richards? If he has a bad knee or whatever can we just pay him off, claim some insurance and move on? His role of chief gee-er upper to motivate the players who actually play, or whatever it is he does, can surely be retired, much like him.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on November 07, 2017, 08:49:15 AM
What is the actual story with Richards? If he has a bad knee or whatever can we just pay him off, claim some insurance and move on? His role of chief gee-er upper to motivate the players who actually play, or whatever it is he does, can surely be retired, much like him.

Retired?! Are you crazy, Eamonn? I'm sure it's been said by Bruce and repeated on here that Richards is absolutely at the peak of his profession as our Chief Head of Bantz. Not since BFR brought Stan Boardman into the dressing room have we seen the like.  With his unmatched talent for distributing nicknames, mocking headphones that are less than 'mint' and bumping fists for no apparent reason, Richards' geeing up, motivational skills and general hilarious demeanour are utterly irreplaceable and worth every penny we pay for them.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Ads on November 07, 2017, 08:54:56 AM
He said himself his knee is shot. I'm not sure why we don't cash in on insurance and bin him.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: brontebilly on November 07, 2017, 09:03:46 AM
Sheffield Wednesday have Rhodes and Hooper. Bristol City are near the top of the league, he didn't get "mullered" by either. Jedinak struggles after international games. It would be madness to drop Samba after a good performance and a goal to bung Jedinak in after travelling further than Phileas Fogg in the week before.

I agree.  Samba is 'next cab off the rank' and should be given a chance.  My main concern about it would be having to move Chester to the left hand side of central defence though.   

Doesn't Chester prefer playing on the left? I thought he moved across to accommodate Baker, and now Terry?

Terry has played all his career on the left. The only time I recall him playing right sided CB pre Villa was his kamikaze efforts next to Matthew Upson in the 2010 world cup.

Wouldn't have much faith in Samba playing ten league games in a row. Aside from his defensive skills, Terry is one of our best players with the ball at his feet. None of our midfield options bar Onomoah seem comfortable getting the ball facing our goal. Expect a lot more direct football after the international break.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on November 07, 2017, 10:44:24 AM
Terry out?

We need a poll but I know which way I would vote.
Well you've got your wish Chris.  Hope you enjoy it.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on November 07, 2017, 10:52:10 AM
He said himself his knee is shot. I'm not sure why we don't cash in on insurance and bin him.

We've only got him insured for third party fire and theft
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Dave Cooper please on November 07, 2017, 12:10:09 PM
He said himself his knee is shot. I'm not sure why we don't cash in on insurance and bin him.

We've only got him insured for third party fire and theft

Well give him some petrol and matches and wait for the inevitable.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Comrade Blitz on November 07, 2017, 12:16:24 PM
We've only got him insured for third party fire and theft

Well give him some petrol and matches and wait for the inevitable.


Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Oscar Arce on November 07, 2017, 12:33:53 PM
I too am worried about Samba, he has the turning circle of an HGV and I feel we will be very suspect defensively if he plays, Jedinak at CB all day for me until Terry is back, he did well there last season.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: class-of-82 on November 07, 2017, 01:32:19 PM
shame we didn't have noel blake insured for third party fire and THEFT
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Dougs Socks on November 07, 2017, 01:56:49 PM
Personally, i would put Elphick in there, purely because thats his position. Its not ideal, but out of him and Samba, hes the more mobile and has probably more to prove. I dont like shoehorning players into positions that they do not usually play, because it upsets the balance of the side.

As an extra precaution, drop Whelan for Jedinak, whom would give extra height in and about our box, and also bring Taylor back in.

Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: olaftab on November 07, 2017, 02:46:04 PM
Best player to replace Terry is Jedinak by a  Mile.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: West Derby Villan on November 07, 2017, 04:16:04 PM
Best player to replace Terry is Jedinak by a  Mile.

See what you've done there, like it
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Rudy65 on November 07, 2017, 05:57:59 PM
He said himself his knee is shot. I'm not sure why we don't cash in on insurance and bin him.

We've only got him insured for third party fire and theft

pity someone didnt steal (theft) him
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: XXVilla on November 08, 2017, 01:56:08 PM
He said himself his knee is shot. I'm not sure why we don't cash in on insurance and bin him.

We've only got him insured for third party fire and theft

pity someone didnt steal (theft) him


Or.... oh no better not..
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Villafirst on November 19, 2017, 07:15:44 AM
Should Villa be negotiating a new contract with John Terry? I'd like him to be here another year.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Damo70 on November 19, 2017, 11:03:11 AM
I would give Terry another years contract if he was agreeable to one. Although I suspect he fancies going out on a promotion as a last hurrah. As for Richards, I'm guessing we can't pay him off unless he agrees to retire with the injury. So we are stuck with him. It is probably karma due to our good luck with Paul McGrath refusing to let Fergie pay him off to retire.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Pete3206 on November 19, 2017, 11:04:23 AM
Should Villa be negotiating a new contract with John Terry? I'd like him to be here another year.

Yes
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Clampy on November 19, 2017, 11:05:08 AM
Should Villa be negotiating a new contract with John Terry? I'd like him to be here another year.

I doubt he'd want to play against Chelsea if we got back up and like Damo said, if we did it would be a good note for him to retire on.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Villafirst on November 19, 2017, 12:32:20 PM
You're a long time retired! Terry could surely play at least another year? He's not that motivated by the money. He's a multi-millionaire anyway.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: paul_e on November 19, 2017, 02:22:02 PM
Didn't Terry sign a 2 year deal anyway?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Pete3206 on November 19, 2017, 02:23:09 PM
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Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: darren woolley on November 19, 2017, 02:23:09 PM
When he got off the coach yesterday he didn't hide and faced abuse from the Rangers fans proper leader.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: saunders_heroes on November 19, 2017, 04:16:53 PM
When he got off the coach yesterday he didn't hide and faced abuse from the Rangers fans proper leader.

You’re right. A proper captain.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on November 19, 2017, 04:27:35 PM
When he got off the coach yesterday he didn't hide and faced abuse from the Rangers fans proper leader.

You’re right. A proper captain.

Hmm. Let's not forget that one reason he gets that vitriol from Rangers fans is because he racially abused one of their players. Hardly admirable.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: saunders_heroes on November 19, 2017, 04:38:39 PM
When he got off the coach yesterday he didn't hide and faced abuse from the Rangers fans proper leader.

You’re right. A proper captain.

Hmm. Let's not forget that one reason he gets that vitriol from Rangers fans is because he racially abused one of their players. Hardly admirable.

Couldn’t care less about his past. If he leads us back to where we belong he can get the freedom of Birmingham for all I care.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Matt Collins on November 19, 2017, 08:26:25 PM
You don’t care if he racially abused someone as long as it wasn’t in a villa kit?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: wittonwarrior on November 19, 2017, 09:02:17 PM
Right now he is our trump card to getting us returned back to the premiership. 

Don't need to like the man to realise just how important he is to us in the short term - still a great player.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 19, 2017, 09:55:31 PM
Would like to have him around if we're back in the premier league in May.

Would give the assurance and experience in the dressing room we'd need and he'd be fine against bottom half teams.

Just put a clause in his deal he can miss the Stamford Bridge game for whatever reason. I'm sure he could manage playing against them at VP.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Damo70 on November 20, 2017, 12:07:49 AM
You're a long time retired! Terry could surely play at least another year? He's not that motivated by the money. He's a multi-millionaire anyway.

Surely most multi-millionaires are multi-millionaires because they are motivated by money.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Risso on November 20, 2017, 12:17:42 AM
You're a long time retired! Terry could surely play at least another year? He's not that motivated by the money. He's a multi-millionaire anyway.

Surely most multi-millionaires are multi-millionaires because they are motivated by money.

Unless you're a Premier League footballer in which case the clubs are falling over themselves to make you insanely wealthy.  I suppose they could give it all away, but I don't think that not doing is an indication of being motivated by money necessarily.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Villa Lew on December 08, 2017, 05:25:09 PM
In his press conference today Bruce has said Terry could return before the new year, great news.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Mister E on December 08, 2017, 05:27:12 PM
In his press conference today Bruce has said Terry could return before the new year, great news.
Blimey; a bonus indeed.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: clash city rocker on December 08, 2017, 05:31:22 PM
I think Terry is a masive influence on us gaining premiership status again. Sincerely hope he is back soon. A class act at this level and a big positive influence on Chester.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 08, 2017, 07:05:44 PM
That would be great news.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: saunders_heroes on December 09, 2017, 01:44:02 PM
He’s posted an Instagram video of himself running up and down the steps of the Holte End today, so he must be quite close to playing now. He’s as fit as a fiddle for a 37 year old.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Ads on December 09, 2017, 02:29:25 PM
AM just said back mid-January
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: saunders_heroes on December 09, 2017, 09:46:59 PM
AM just said back mid-January

He’ll be back well before then.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: wittonwarrior on December 10, 2017, 12:31:24 AM
In a motability vehicle would still be more mobile than Samba, better than Elphick.  Even on a zimmer we need him back now.  The plus side is that John Terry if rumours are true needs us as much as we need him.  He is more than short term.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: eamonn on December 10, 2017, 12:37:15 AM
What rumours?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 10, 2017, 12:56:11 AM
John Terry needs us? He’s loaded and didn’t need to play for us this season. I’m glad he’s with us and if he really wanted money he could have commanded a great wage in MLS. Which I think he still might do next year. Or possibly wait for Miami and Beckham. Either way he’s not short of a penny.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: wittonwarrior on December 10, 2017, 01:01:32 AM
John  Terry needs to  stay in the game.  He is well off, extremely well off compared to 99% of  us but he has his issues.  What he is doing  is right by him , doing everything right in our eyes (Villa).  And by the way we need him right now.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: PeterWithe on December 13, 2017, 08:07:00 AM
Pictures in the Daily Mail of him sprinting up the Holte steps and also receiving treatment down at Chelsea. He seems to be doing his bit to get fit.

Fair play to him.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Ads on December 13, 2017, 08:14:34 AM
There's a video on his Instagram of him running all over the lower Holte.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chris Jameson on December 13, 2017, 08:18:04 AM
Fucking hell, bad enough that 50 Millwall took the Holte on Saturday but it only took one Chelsea.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Ads on December 13, 2017, 08:19:43 AM
Ran all over the Holte taking fackin liberties.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Jon Crofts on December 13, 2017, 09:00:20 AM
I was never a fan of Terry, I'm still in the great footballer, despicable human being camp but I have to admire his desire and attitude, long may it continue and hopefully rub off onto some of the youngsters.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Dave Cooper please on December 13, 2017, 12:28:56 PM
and hopefully rub off onto some of the youngsters.

Haven't we got enough problems with the allegations of bullying without this?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Damo70 on December 13, 2017, 01:30:03 PM
I was never a fan of Terry, I'm still in the great footballer, despicable human being camp but I have to admire his desire and attitude, long may it continue and hopefully rub off onto some of the youngsters.

He has done some questionable things in the past without a doubt, but I think 'despicable human being' is a bit over the top.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Clark W Griswold on December 13, 2017, 01:35:53 PM
I was never a fan of Terry, I'm still in the great footballer, despicable human being camp but I have to admire his desire and attitude, long may it continue and hopefully rub off onto some of the youngsters.

He has done some questionable things in the past without a doubt, but I think 'despicable human being' is a bit over the top.

Yes, I was only thinking the same thing as I read it.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on December 13, 2017, 02:07:17 PM
I was never a fan of Terry, I'm still in the great footballer, despicable human being camp but I have to admire his desire and attitude, long may it continue and hopefully rub off onto some of the youngsters.

He has done some questionable things in the past without a doubt, but I think 'despicable human being' is a bit over the top.

Yes, I was only thinking the same thing as I read it.
He has done some pretty despicable things to be fair.  I'm not convinced a racist outburst in the heat of a tough game truly defines him as a racist in the way he conducts every day life, but it's still pretty indefensible.  So is shagging your team mates wife etc.

With that said, he clearly has an excellent attitude at the moment and has been fantastic for us.  These incidents are well in the past and judging him just on the time he has been at the Villa it is really difficult to fault him.  I hope he leads us to promotion, picks up his fat bonus check and signs for another year. 
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 13, 2017, 02:33:23 PM
John Terry Holte (https://talksport.com/football/watch-john-terry-run-and-down-gangways-aston-villas-holte-end-171212265283)

I'll give him this. He wants to make the most of this opportunity and you have to set aside personal feelings about who he is and have respect for his professionalism and dedication. It's good for the club in a football context to have him there and highly influential to the other players.

Gabby has a similar video where he stops a few times to smoke, drink and down a pie before falling asleep. I don't know if he finished the run.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: The Edge on December 13, 2017, 03:15:09 PM
John Terry Holte (https://talksport.com/football/watch-john-terry-run-and-down-gangways-aston-villas-holte-end-171212265283)

I'll give him this. He wants to make the most of this opportunity and you have to set aside personal feelings about who he is and have respect for his professionalism and dedication. It's good for the club in a football context to have him there and highly influential to the other players.

Gabby has a similar video where he stops a few times to smoke, drink and down a pie before falling asleep. I don't know if he finished the run.
😂
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: in exile on December 13, 2017, 04:00:10 PM
https://uk.yahoo.com/sports/news/aston-villa-captain-john-terry-shows-off-5425-personalised-monopoly-board-104604022.html (https://uk.yahoo.com/sports/news/aston-villa-captain-john-terry-shows-off-5425-personalised-monopoly-board-104604022.html)
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Ad@m on December 13, 2017, 06:37:44 PM
John Terry Holte (https://talksport.com/football/watch-john-terry-run-and-down-gangways-aston-villas-holte-end-171212265283)

I'll give him this. He wants to make the most of this opportunity and you have to set aside personal feelings about who he is and have respect for his professionalism and dedication. It's good for the club in a football context to have him there and highly influential to the other players.

Gabby has a similar video where he stops a few times to smoke, drink and down a pie before falling asleep. I don't know if he finished the run.

'Professional footballer in doing-some-training shocker!'

Am I missing something here?  Isn't trying to get fit as soon as possible what we pay him for?!
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Risso on December 13, 2017, 06:39:57 PM
John Terry Holte (https://talksport.com/football/watch-john-terry-run-and-down-gangways-aston-villas-holte-end-171212265283)

I'll give him this. He wants to make the most of this opportunity and you have to set aside personal feelings about who he is and have respect for his professionalism and dedication. It's good for the club in a football context to have him there and highly influential to the other players.

Gabby has a similar video where he stops a few times to smoke, drink and down a pie before falling asleep. I don't know if he finished the run.

'Professional footballer in doing-some-training shocker!'

Am I missing something here?  Isn't trying to get fit as soon as possible what we pay him for?!

It is, but as we've seen, we've had several players recently who can't even be bothered to do the very minimum required.  When you've got wasters like Agbonlahor and McCormack, seeing somebody go a bit above and beyond what's required is good news, surely?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Ad@m on December 13, 2017, 06:47:41 PM
John Terry Holte (https://talksport.com/football/watch-john-terry-run-and-down-gangways-aston-villas-holte-end-171212265283)

I'll give him this. He wants to make the most of this opportunity and you have to set aside personal feelings about who he is and have respect for his professionalism and dedication. It's good for the club in a football context to have him there and highly influential to the other players.

Gabby has a similar video where he stops a few times to smoke, drink and down a pie before falling asleep. I don't know if he finished the run.

'Professional footballer in doing-some-training shocker!'

Am I missing something here?  Isn't trying to get fit as soon as possible what we pay him for?!

It is, but as we've seen, we've had several players recently who can't even be bothered to do the very minimum required.  When you've got wasters like Agbonlahor and McCormack, seeing somebody go a bit above and beyond what's required is good news, surely?

Sorry, I'm still struggling with this.  How is a professional footballer training to get back to fitness going "above and beyond"?

Isn't that the absolute bare minimum expectation?  Saying he's better than two guys who've clearly fallen way below expectations is hardly a ringing endorsement.

Yes, it's good that he's doing this and hopefully it clears up any doubt whatsoever in the mind of the kids that this is the sort of thing that's expected but as a club and a collection of fans, our expectations of our players should be way higher than being impressed by our captain doing some training.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 13, 2017, 06:54:55 PM
I think given it is John Terry with nothing at all to prove in the game, it should dispel any doubt that he’s just here to pick up money. As Risso said we’ve had more than our fair share of those over the years. I get what you’re saying Ad@m in that it should be what a footballer does but in a small way it has changed my perspective towards him and his motivation. He could absolutely take it easy, come back in February and nobody would be any the wiser. That he is doing everything he can to help us is a testament to his continued professional attitude. Something that has been a bit of foreign concept around the B6 area for a lot of years.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Risso on December 13, 2017, 06:55:30 PM
John Terry Holte (https://talksport.com/football/watch-john-terry-run-and-down-gangways-aston-villas-holte-end-171212265283)

I'll give him this. He wants to make the most of this opportunity and you have to set aside personal feelings about who he is and have respect for his professionalism and dedication. It's good for the club in a football context to have him there and highly influential to the other players.

Gabby has a similar video where he stops a few times to smoke, drink and down a pie before falling asleep. I don't know if he finished the run.

'Professional footballer in doing-some-training shocker!'

Am I missing something here?  Isn't trying to get fit as soon as possible what we pay him for?!

It is, but as we've seen, we've had several players recently who can't even be bothered to do the very minimum required.  When you've got wasters like Agbonlahor and McCormack, seeing somebody go a bit above and beyond what's required is good news, surely?

Sorry, I'm still struggling with this.  How is a professional footballer training to get back to fitness going "above and beyond"?

Isn't that the absolute bare minimum expectation?  Saying he's better than two guys who've clearly fallen way below expectations is hardly a ringing endorsement.

Yes, it's good that he's doing this and hopefully it clears up any doubt whatsoever in the mind of the kids that this is the sort of thing that's expected but as a club and a collection of fans, our expectations of our players should be way higher than being impressed by our captain doing some training.

Well, maybe he's doing extra training over what's actually asked of him, in his own time.  I just think that somebody of his age doing his best to get back to fitness as early as possible is a good thing.  There's enough to be cynical about with Villa already, surely?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Mister E on December 13, 2017, 07:40:51 PM
John Terry Holte (https://talksport.com/football/watch-john-terry-run-and-down-gangways-aston-villas-holte-end-171212265283)

I'll give him this. He wants to make the most of this opportunity and you have to set aside personal feelings about who he is and have respect for his professionalism and dedication. It's good for the club in a football context to have him there and highly influential to the other players.

Gabby has a similar video where he stops a few times to smoke, drink and down a pie before falling asleep. I don't know if he finished the run.
Bloody slacker only ran around the lower Holte! What about the upper?!
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Bad English on December 13, 2017, 07:57:10 PM
It looked like some canny public relations to me. Who filmed it for Terry's Instagram?

Good work from the club.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chris Jameson on December 13, 2017, 08:11:09 PM
Brave John Terry.

Still don’t like him and still wish he wasn’t a Villa player.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Diablo on December 13, 2017, 08:19:57 PM
https://uk.yahoo.com/sports/news/aston-villa-captain-john-terry-shows-off-5425-personalised-monopoly-board-104604022.html (https://uk.yahoo.com/sports/news/aston-villa-captain-john-terry-shows-off-5425-personalised-monopoly-board-104604022.html)
Haha! Ffs! Taking narcissism to the next level.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 13, 2017, 08:30:00 PM
Who cares? I’m sure his money and fame have afforded him loads of things most of us would find gaudy or obnoxious. I’m sure if you took a trip to Gabby’s pad or Richards you’d find the same kind of bollocks. As long as he does it on the pitch and acts a pro off it while with us then that’s where it counts.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 13, 2017, 10:08:16 PM
He's clearly trying to get back way ahead of schedule.

Remember he was going to be out until well into January remember, 3 months was I think the expected time out.

I didn't want us to sign him either but bar a dodgy first few games he hasn't put a foot wrong for us on and off the pitch.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: brontebilly on December 13, 2017, 10:21:36 PM
Been a great signing let's be honest, couple of shaky games early on but has dominated the division since. I like the way he hasn't gone around shouting the odds on the pitch like he could have. Has let his football do the talking, Chester and Johnstone have improved immeasurably next to him.

Much better with the ball at his feet than most of our midfielders. In my time watching English club football, there hasn't been a centre half to come close to his quality. I was cynical of his motives but he has been a consumate professional.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: thick_mike on December 13, 2017, 10:30:00 PM
Been a great signing let's be honest, couple of shaky games early on but has dominated the division since. I like the way he hasn't gone around shouting the odds on the pitch like he could have. Has let his football do the talking, Chester and Johnstone have improved immeasurably next to him.

Much better with the ball at his feet than most of our midfielders. In my time watching English club football, there hasn't been a centre half to come close to his quality. I was cynical of his motives but he has been a consumate professional.

You must have started watching English club football after 1996 then! ;)
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: nodge on December 13, 2017, 10:53:14 PM
John Terry Holte (https://talksport.com/football/watch-john-terry-run-and-down-gangways-aston-villas-holte-end-171212265283)

I'll give him this. He wants to make the most of this opportunity and you have to set aside personal feelings about who he is and have respect for his professionalism and dedication. It's good for the club in a football context to have him there and highly influential to the other players.

Gabby has a similar video where he stops a few times to smoke, drink and down a pie before falling asleep. I don't know if he finished the run.
Bloody slacker only ran around the lower Holte! What about the upper?!


Would have been better if he was chasing all the other players' scantily clad wives with the Benny Hill music playing in the background.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: brontebilly on December 13, 2017, 10:55:31 PM
Been a great signing let's be honest, couple of shaky games early on but has dominated the division since. I like the way he hasn't gone around shouting the odds on the pitch like he could have. Has let his football do the talking, Chester and Johnstone have improved immeasurably next to him.

Much better with the ball at his feet than most of our midfielders. In my time watching English club football, there hasn't been a centre half to come close to his quality. I was cynical of his motives but he has been a consumate professional.

You must have started watching English club football after 1996 then! ;)

Maybe just a few years before then! Huge McGrath fan but he didn't have a fraction of Terry's ability on the ball imo. Who else was at that level even in the 80s or early 90s ?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Ads on December 14, 2017, 07:08:12 AM
I won't agree with that as McGrath was a really good footballer first and foremost. But specific to Terry it's his calmness in the ball that I had not noticed before.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: PeterWithe on December 14, 2017, 07:26:54 AM
Been a great signing let's be honest, couple of shaky games early on but has dominated the division since. I like the way he hasn't gone around shouting the odds on the pitch like he could have. Has let his football do the talking, Chester and Johnstone have improved immeasurably next to him.

Much better with the ball at his feet than most of our midfielders. In my time watching English club football, there hasn't been a centre half to come close to his quality. I was cynical of his motives but he has been a consumate professional.

You must have started watching English club football after 1996 then! ;)

Maybe just a few years before then! Huge McGrath fan but he didn't have a fraction of Terry's ability on the ball imo. Who else was at that level even in the 80s or early 90s ?

Few do, even Baresi wasn’t that great with the ball.

I too didn’t understand just how good Terry is with the ball as I hadn’t noticed when we played in the top flight. I suppose there is an argument that we didn’t see it as all players will look better as they drop down a level.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: sickbeggar on December 14, 2017, 08:35:38 AM
I hope our commercial department have took notice of that Monopoly board or else they're missing a trick in the run up to christmas. I'd pay a premium for a special version of snakes and ladder endorsed by McCormack called Walls and ladders.. Richards could put his name to Connect4(passes) and i reckon they'd still be a market for a Kozak version of Operation.

I'll get me coat......
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: JD on December 14, 2017, 09:02:16 AM
Been a great signing let's be honest, couple of shaky games early on but has dominated the division since. I like the way he hasn't gone around shouting the odds on the pitch like he could have. Has let his football do the talking, Chester and Johnstone have improved immeasurably next to him.

Much better with the ball at his feet than most of our midfielders. In my time watching English club football, there hasn't been a centre half to come close to his quality. I was cynical of his motives but he has been a consumate professional.

You must have started watching English club football after 1996 then! ;)

Maybe just a few years before then! Huge McGrath fan but he didn't have a fraction of Terry's ability on the ball imo. Who else was at that level even in the 80s or early 90s ?

What?! Burn the Witch.
   
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: dave shelley on December 14, 2017, 09:29:02 AM
I hope our commercial department have took notice of that Monopoly board or else they're missing a trick in the run up to christmas. I'd pay a premium for a special version of snakes and ladder endorsed by McCormack called Walls and ladders.. Richards could put his name to Connect4(passes) and i reckon they'd still be a market for a Kozak version of Operation.

I'll get me coat......

Shouldn't that be Gates and Ladders?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Risso on December 14, 2017, 09:49:02 AM

Maybe just a few years before then! Huge McGrath fan but he didn't have a fraction of Terry's ability on the ball imo. Who else was at that level even in the 80s or early 90s ?

What utter nonsense.  McGrath played in midfield as well, which you don't do if you're not handy with the ball.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Dave P on December 14, 2017, 10:21:50 AM

Maybe just a few years before then! Huge McGrath fan but he didn't have a fraction of Terry's ability on the ball imo. Who else was at that level even in the 80s or early 90s ?

What utter nonsense.  McGrath played in midfield as well, which you don't do if you're not handy with the ball.

Come on Risso, we all say stupid things when we are drunk.  I'm sure he's sobered up this morning and realized what he said and is utterly embarrassed by it.  Let's just let this comment slide.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: paul_e on December 14, 2017, 10:24:18 AM

Maybe just a few years before then! Huge McGrath fan but he didn't have a fraction of Terry's ability on the ball imo. Who else was at that level even in the 80s or early 90s ?

What utter nonsense.  McGrath played in midfield as well, which you don't do if you're not handy with the ball.

Mcgrath was a very good footballer but ore importantly he reads the game better than anyone I've seen.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Ads on December 14, 2017, 10:30:34 AM
McGrath was also quick too. Brontebilly should watch the Ireland and Italy game on YouTube again from the 94 World Cup. No wonder Baggio missed the penalty in the final, it must have been hard to shoot when he was still in God's pocket.

That video is like centre half porn.

We've been blessed with some very good centre halves and one of the very best. Terry is certainly right up there.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: brontebilly on December 14, 2017, 11:14:13 AM

Maybe just a few years before then! Huge McGrath fan but he didn't have a fraction of Terry's ability on the ball imo. Who else was at that level even in the 80s or early 90s ?

What utter nonsense.  McGrath played in midfield as well, which you don't do if you're not handy with the ball.

George Boateng, Jedinak, Whelan, Reo Coker, Gardner.....
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chris Jameson on December 14, 2017, 12:33:11 PM

Maybe just a few years before then! Huge McGrath fan but he didn't have a fraction of Terry's ability on the ball imo.

Just seen this, admittedly I can't stand Terry as a footballer or a man but McGrath who played in midfield for his country and is without a doubt the best player I've ever seen in a Villa shirt is head and shoulders above Terry in every aspect of the game.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Ads on December 14, 2017, 12:59:59 PM

Maybe just a few years before then! Huge McGrath fan but he didn't have a fraction of Terry's ability on the ball imo.

Just seen this, admittedly I can't stand Terry as a footballer or a man but McGrath who played in midfield for his country and is without a doubt the best player I've ever seen in a Villa shirt is head and shoulders above Terry in every aspect of the game.

You could swap Terry's name for just about any centre half there has ever been with perhaps a handful of exceptions.

God is great.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: olaftab on December 14, 2017, 01:11:56 PM

Maybe just a few years before then! Huge McGrath fan but he didn't have a fraction of Terry's ability on the ball imo.

Just seen this, admittedly I can't stand Terry as a footballer or a man but McGrath who played in midfield for his country and is without a doubt the best player I've ever seen in a Villa shirt is head and shoulders above Terry in every aspect of the game.
Yes indeed. Terry is ok but let's not hype him to McGrath like status.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: boozey182 on December 14, 2017, 01:29:32 PM
McGrath was, quite literally, in a different league to Terry.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Damo70 on December 14, 2017, 01:53:51 PM
Been a great signing let's be honest, couple of shaky games early on but has dominated the division since. I like the way he hasn't gone around shouting the odds on the pitch like he could have. Has let his football do the talking, Chester and Johnstone have improved immeasurably next to him.

Much better with the ball at his feet than most of our midfielders. In my time watching English club football, there hasn't been a centre half to come close to his quality. I was cynical of his motives but he has been a consumate professional.


We had an Irish centre half a few years back who was a fair bit better than Terry (who I admit has had an excellent career and has also done the business for us so far). As for others that come close, I can think of two Scottish centre halfs who actually played in the final to win their European Cup winners medals and our current manager wasn't a bad centre half either and has a trophy case just as big as Terry's.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Ads on December 14, 2017, 06:34:05 PM
Terry I think is probably the best we have had in many a year. A lot better on the ball and far less rash than Laursen, who was an excellent centre half. Lauren for me was better than King Olof too.

Terry is like a blend of Southgate and Laursen.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Villafirst on December 14, 2017, 07:40:32 PM
McGrath was, quite literally, in a different league to Terry.

I don't know.... Terry captained Chelsea to something like 14 trophies....
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on December 14, 2017, 07:56:52 PM
I admit to not really wanting to give him much credit before he came here. He played for a shitty club ,was involved in some shitty behaviour and played in a piss poor England squad.

Now though? He is a joy to watch he really is. I see him play its like being woke from a slumber these past few years and reminded "oh yeah THATS what having an actual top player at Villa looks like."
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: glinch on December 14, 2017, 08:32:56 PM
Few do, even Baresi wasn’t that great with the ball.

Baresi wasn't great with the ball? He was renowned for playing it out and starting attacks.

... and dont get me started on this:

Huge McGrath fan but he didn't have a fraction of Terry's ability on the ball imo

did you see McGrath play?!
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chris Smith on December 14, 2017, 09:55:10 PM
Terry has been superb for us and his record speaks for itself but could he do it if he was having to deal with the same demons as McGrath?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: itbrvilla on December 14, 2017, 10:00:26 PM
I doubt anyone could. And I doubt he could deal with it.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: berneboy on December 14, 2017, 10:07:23 PM
Few do, even Baresi wasn’t that great with the ball.

Baresi was great with the ball? He was renowned for playing it out and starting attacks.

... and dont get me started on this:

Huge McGrath fan but he didn't have a fraction of Terry's ability on the ball imo

did you see McGrath play?!

I did. He was a freak of nature, a footballing genius. The best player in his position I have ever seen, anywhere.

Terry is very, very good, especially at 37 years of age. But he's no McGrath.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Neil Hawkes on December 15, 2017, 05:21:26 AM
Terry is very good good, especially at 37 years of age. But he's no McGrath.

He’s just a very naughty boy.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Diablo on December 15, 2017, 03:46:23 PM
Terry is very good good, especially at 37 years of age. But he's no McGrath.

He’s just a very naughty boy.

A great philosopher once wrote
Naughty, naughty, very naughty

E's are Good E's are Good
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Pete3206 on December 15, 2017, 10:20:19 PM
Paul McGrath is one the greatest footballers to grace the hallowed turf of B6.

John Terry is a just very good footballer.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Matt Collins on December 15, 2017, 10:27:53 PM
This won’t make me popular, but I reckon terry rivals McGrath over his career
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: villan from luton on December 15, 2017, 11:04:54 PM
This won’t make me popular, but I reckon terry rivals McGrath over his career

I wouldn't disagree with this. The bloke is adored at Chelsea just like God is to us who saw him at Villa. His attitude even now is amazing, he hasn't come here to earn a bit more money he wants to get promotion and love his attitude. What I will disagree with massively is God not being as good on the ball as Terry (I know it wasn't you Matt Collins who said it lol). God was superb on the ball and was a top player in the midfield holding role for the Republic on many occassions
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: LeeB on December 16, 2017, 12:12:41 AM
God could pass the ball the better with a volleyed back heel better than most do conventionally.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: villan from luton on December 16, 2017, 12:36:05 AM
Two totally different characters in some ways, but so alike in others. The main thing is they are/were both winners and that was everything. God was a leader by example but what we need now is someone being vocal and Terry is doing that. I have to say my admiration for him has gone up massively the way he has approached games for us and his performances, and his dedication to get fit.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 16, 2017, 09:52:00 AM
Only negative I'd say about God is it didn't quite happen for him at Man. United like it did for Terry at Chelsea. Fergie obviously wasn't tolerant about drinking so got him out otherwise he'd have had some league titles to his collection in early years of the premier league.

Of course then we'd never have been able to appreciate him here.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Risso on December 16, 2017, 10:08:06 AM
Only negative I'd say about God is it didn't quite happen for him at Man. United like it did for Terry at Chelsea. Fergie obviously wasn't tolerant about drinking so got him out otherwise he'd have had some league titles to his collection in early years of the premier league.

Of course then we'd never have been able to appreciate him here.

And of course it's always very difficult to compare players from different eras.  McGrath first played for Man U 35 years ago now.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Canadian Villa on December 18, 2017, 07:42:12 PM
Not too mention that McGrath played with shot knees and being an alcoholic. Imagine if McGrath played today without the troubles he had. He would rival Terry for Trophies that's for sure.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: KevinGage on December 18, 2017, 08:12:05 PM
Terry is a good centre half; mostly in the traditional mould but with better distribution than the likes of Adams, Butcher or whoever. One of the best players in the UK for that position in the last 12-15 years.

McGrath was beamed down from another planet. He walked amongst us mere mortals, wasn't one of us but came to love us.

When time travel is de rigueur and this crazy, mixed up place we call Earth is taking on Gliese 876 in the Intergalactic Championship, McGrath and Beckenbauer will be the brains of the operation at the back for the Earth lot.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: john e on December 18, 2017, 09:04:13 PM
Mcgrath could play in midfield and still look majestic
as good as Terry is as a centre half he hasn’t got the quality of McGrath to play in midfield
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 18, 2017, 09:27:02 PM
I think it's a disservice to Terry to call him a 'good centre half' he's been a world class defender for most of his career.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on December 18, 2017, 09:31:39 PM
He was shit when it came to penalties.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 18, 2017, 09:51:47 PM
He was shit when it came to penalties.

Then again we had one ourselves. Step forward Mr Southgate...
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: BC Villain on December 18, 2017, 10:09:47 PM
Terry has added a level of professionalism to this team and his leadership skills are far and above any other captain we've had for a good few years.  And yes, in terms of medals, he is ahead of McGrath  However, McGrath was a one-off.  To be as consistently brilliant as he was is incredible, but given it was against a backdrop of an inconsistent and often chaotic life away from the field makes it even more miraculous.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: The Edge on December 18, 2017, 10:57:56 PM
Listening to John Terry on Sky tonight I'm convinced he's got a job lined up on the management staff when we do get promoted. He'll retire from playing once we've achieved promotion. His list of contacts are second to none.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Nev on December 18, 2017, 11:36:40 PM
Listening to John Terry on Sky tonight I'm convinced he's got a job lined up on the management staff when we do get promoted. He'll retire from playing once we've achieved promotion. His list of contacts are second to none.

I've no doubt that's the case, all this support for the team whilst injured isn't a sudden conversion to our club. Still, if we get something out of it then he's useful on and off the field.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Ad@m on December 18, 2017, 11:40:30 PM
Listening to John Terry on Sky tonight I'm convinced he's got a job lined up on the management staff when we do get promoted. He'll retire from playing once we've achieved promotion. His list of contacts are second to none.

I've no doubt that's the case, all this support for the team whilst injured isn't a sudden conversion to our club. Still, if we get something out of it then he's useful on and off the field.

All this support? He was watching Chelsea at the weekend rather than us.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: TheMalandro on December 19, 2017, 12:00:03 AM
Listening to John Terry on Sky tonight I'm convinced he's got a job lined up on the management staff when we do get promoted. He'll retire from playing once we've achieved promotion. His list of contacts are second to none.

I've no doubt that's the case, all this support for the team whilst injured isn't a sudden conversion to our club. Still, if we get something out of it then he's useful on and off the field.

All this support? He was watching Chelsea at the weekend rather than us.

He's not let us down on the pitch.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Allan C on December 19, 2017, 09:29:24 AM
Football is definitely a funny old game which makes it different to any other “business” anywhere. I can’t stand the guy but I can’t wait to see him back in a Villa shirt again. God would have been head and shoulders better than Terry given the training/nutrition/sports science etc that Terry has had in the modern game
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Drummond on December 19, 2017, 11:44:35 AM
Listening to John Terry on Sky tonight I'm convinced he's got a job lined up on the management staff when we do get promoted. He'll retire from playing once we've achieved promotion. His list of contacts are second to none.

I've no doubt that's the case, all this support for the team whilst injured isn't a sudden conversion to our club. Still, if we get something out of it then he's useful on and off the field.

All this support? He was watching Chelsea at the weekend rather than us.

Who could blame him?!

He's also driven himself to watch a game in East Anglia when he wasn't playing, was on the bench in others whilst injured. Do you expect him to be at every game?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Ad@m on December 19, 2017, 11:57:03 AM
Listening to John Terry on Sky tonight I'm convinced he's got a job lined up on the management staff when we do get promoted. He'll retire from playing once we've achieved promotion. His list of contacts are second to none.

I've no doubt that's the case, all this support for the team whilst injured isn't a sudden conversion to our club. Still, if we get something out of it then he's useful on and off the field.

All this support? He was watching Chelsea at the weekend rather than us.

Who could blame him?!

He's also driven himself to watch a game in East Anglia when he wasn't playing, was on the bench in others whilst injured. Do you expect him to be at every game?

As team captain and on the books of the Villa to the tune of £60k a week?  Yes, I absolutely expect him to be there every game.

There seems to be an incredibly low expectation bar set for players these days - first he was lauded for doing some training and now he's being given a free pass to skip games when he'd rather go to watch Chelsea.  If the cost of my season ticket is contributing to his extortionate salary he can suffer our "performances" just like me!
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on December 19, 2017, 12:01:08 PM
It is very, very difficult to criticise any of his conduct since he has been with us.  If we get to the playoffs, the thought of him being in the side with all his big game experience gives me a lot of hope.  I hope he can get fit and play another year whichever division we are in.

I also hope that his conduct whilst with us begins to change the mind of those who dislike him.  There is probably a lot more to the bloke than the incidents we read in the papers.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Dougs Socks on December 19, 2017, 12:03:56 PM
Think we miss Terry more than "Kodger" in the grand scale of things.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Ads on December 19, 2017, 12:19:25 PM
Listening to John Terry on Sky tonight I'm convinced he's got a job lined up on the management staff when we do get promoted. He'll retire from playing once we've achieved promotion. His list of contacts are second to none.

I've no doubt that's the case, all this support for the team whilst injured isn't a sudden conversion to our club. Still, if we get something out of it then he's useful on and off the field.

All this support? He was watching Chelsea at the weekend rather than us.

Who could blame him?!

He's also driven himself to watch a game in East Anglia when he wasn't playing, was on the bench in others whilst injured. Do you expect him to be at every game?

As team captain and on the books of the Villa to the tune of £60k a week?  Yes, I absolutely expect him to be there every game.

There seems to be an incredibly low expectation bar set for players these days - first he was lauded for doing some training and now he's being given a free pass to skip games when he'd rather go to watch Chelsea.  If the cost of my season ticket is contributing to his extortionate salary he can suffer our "performances" just like me!

Were you at Derby?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on December 19, 2017, 12:24:02 PM
Listening to John Terry on Sky tonight I'm convinced he's got a job lined up on the management staff when we do get promoted. He'll retire from playing once we've achieved promotion. His list of contacts are second to none.

I've no doubt that's the case, all this support for the team whilst injured isn't a sudden conversion to our club. Still, if we get something out of it then he's useful on and off the field.

All this support? He was watching Chelsea at the weekend rather than us.

Who could blame him?!

He's also driven himself to watch a game in East Anglia when he wasn't playing, was on the bench in others whilst injured. Do you expect him to be at every game?

As team captain and on the books of the Villa to the tune of £60k a week?  Yes, I absolutely expect him to be there every game.

There seems to be an incredibly low expectation bar set for players these days - first he was lauded for doing some training and now he's being given a free pass to skip games when he'd rather go to watch Chelsea.  If the cost of my season ticket is contributing to his extortionate salary he can suffer our "performances" just like me!
Do you really think all injured players go to all games?

He's shown his commitment and if that's not enough for you then such is life.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Diablo on December 19, 2017, 12:35:03 PM
Think we miss Terry more than "Kodger" in the grand scale of things.
These are Gerald Appleyard's stats

Played 16
won 7
Lost 4 (includes Sheff Wed game)
Drawn 5

Clean sheets 7

Goals against 13
Goals scored by team 22
Actual goals scored 1
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: mattjpa on December 19, 2017, 12:41:44 PM
Terry is very good good, especially at 37 years of age. But he's no McGrath.

He’s just a very naughty boy.

A great philosopher once wrote
Naughty, naughty, very naughty

E's are Good E's are Good

Randomly went on a youtube journey this morning which ended up with me listening to that song for the first time in what must be a decade! Chris Moyles played a snippet of Cotton Eye Joe, I youtubed that, led me onto The Prodigy - Out of Space, The Grid  -Swamp thing and finally a playlist of the Shamen's greatest hits. Musical Pioneers!
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on December 19, 2017, 12:48:14 PM
I think the Appleyard thing has run it's course now?  John Terry is a Villa player and a bloody good one.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Clampy on December 19, 2017, 01:04:40 PM
I think I'd rather he'd sit and watch the club who are paying his wages rather than another team to be honest but I'm not that annoyed about it either.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: cdward on December 19, 2017, 01:14:06 PM
I think I'd rather he'd sit and watch the club who are paying his wages rather than another team to be honest but I'm not that annoyed about it either.
I'm sure some Leicester fans will say the same about Marc Albrighton
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: mattjpa on December 19, 2017, 01:31:11 PM
I think I'd rather he'd sit and watch the club who are paying his wages rather than another team to be honest but I'm not that annoyed about it either.
He can sit and watch dwarf porn as long as he keeps playing as well as he does and gets us promoted
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Clampy on December 19, 2017, 01:32:21 PM
I think I'd rather he'd sit and watch the club who are paying his wages rather than another team to be honest but I'm not that annoyed about it either.
I'm sure some Leicester fans will say the same about Marc Albrighton

I'm not sure what the relevance is to be honest unless he's been to Villa games whilst Leicester have been playing?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: paul_e on December 19, 2017, 01:35:21 PM
I think I'd rather he'd sit and watch the club who are paying his wages rather than another team to be honest but I'm not that annoyed about it either.

Agree completely, For most other players if they were injured and went somewhere else we wouldn't even know, it's only because of his profile that this is even a story.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: JUAN PABLO on December 19, 2017, 01:46:53 PM
Imagine McGrath and Terry at the back at the same time , probably be the best center partnership of the last 50 years .

Like somebody said earlier Id actually prefer Terry back in the team right now then Kodja.      He just brings us so much stability and experience .
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: paul_e on December 19, 2017, 01:55:41 PM
Think we miss Terry more than "Kodger" in the grand scale of things.
These are Gerald Appleyard's stats

Played 16
won 7
Lost 4 (includes Sheff Wed game)
Drawn 5

Clean sheets 7

Goals against 13
Goals scored by team 22
Actual goals scored 1

Going to amend this a little bit and then add the 'without' stats.

With Terry:
Played 16
Won 7 (44%)
Lost 4 (25%)
Drawn 5 (31%)
Clean sheets 7 (44%)
Goals against 13 (0.81 per game)

Total:
Played 22
Won 10 (45%)
Lost 5 (23%)
Drawn 7 (32%)
Clean sheets 9 (41%)
Goals against 18 (0.82)

The sample sizes aren't huge so it's hard to give any certainties but effectively Terry has made very little difference to us in measurable terms despite looking like he's a level above anyone else in this league.


Kodjia on the other hand single-handedly kept us out of a relegation battle last year and was in the team for the best spell of performances we've had this season (in fact the only part of the season where I'd argue we looked like top 2 contenders).


Terry is very good but you can't make a huge amount of difference to a team that concedes around a goal a game by adding defenders whereas better attacking options who can create chances from nothing will always add something so long as they're not at the expense of defensive stability.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 19, 2017, 01:55:52 PM
Maybe we should send Bruce to watch Chelsea and get Terry to be in the dug out.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Diablo on December 19, 2017, 02:13:33 PM
Think we miss Terry more than "Kodger" in the grand scale of things.
These are Gerald Appleyard's stats

Played 16
won 7
Lost 4 (includes Sheff Wed game)
Drawn 5

Clean sheets 7

Goals against 13
Goals scored by team 22
Actual goals scored 1

Going to amend this a little bit and then add the 'without' stats.

With Terry:
Played 16
Won 7 (44%)
Lost 4 (25%)
Drawn 5 (31%)
Clean sheets 7 (44%)
Goals against 13 (0.81 per game)

Total:
Played 22
Won 10 (45%)
Lost 5 (23%)
Drawn 7 (32%)
Clean sheets 9 (41%)
Goals against 18 (0.82)

The sample sizes aren't huge so it's hard to give any certainties but effectively Terry has made very little difference to us in measurable terms despite looking like he's a level above anyone else in this league.


Kodjia on the other hand single-handedly kept us out of a relegation battle last year and was in the team for the best spell of performances we've had this season (in fact the only part of the season where I'd argue we looked like top 2 contenders).


Terry is very good but you can't make a huge amount of difference to a team that concedes around a goal a game by adding defenders whereas better attacking options who can create chances from nothing will always add something so long as they're not at the expense of defensive stability.
Cheers Paul_e I considered adding JK's stats but I'm supposed to be doing Christmas shizzle (my failure at which will lead to Christmas Special edition of Apocalypse Now).
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: The Edge on December 19, 2017, 02:14:20 PM
Think we miss Terry more than "Kodger" in the grand scale of things.
These are Gerald Appleyard's stats

Played 16
won 7
Lost 4 (includes Sheff Wed game)
Drawn 5

Clean sheets 7

Goals against 13
Goals scored by team 22
Actual goals scored 1

Going to amend this a little bit and then add the 'without' stats.

With Terry:
Played 16
Won 7 (44%)
Lost 4 (25%)
Drawn 5 (31%)
Clean sheets 7 (44%)
Goals against 13 (0.81 per game)

Total:
Played 22
Won 10 (45%)
Lost 5 (23%)
Drawn 7 (32%)
Clean sheets 9 (41%)
Goals against 18 (0.82)

The sample sizes aren't huge so it's hard to give any certainties but effectively Terry has made very little difference to us in measurable terms despite looking like he's a level above anyone else in this league.


Kodjia on the other hand single-handedly kept us out of a relegation battle last year and was in the team for the best spell of performances we've had this season (in fact the only part of the season where I'd argue we looked like top 2 contenders).


Terry is very good but you can't make a huge amount of difference to a team that concedes around a goal a game by adding defenders whereas better attacking options who can create chances from nothing will always add something so long as they're not at the expense of defensive stability.
Our major problem is the goals for column not the goals against. But I don't think anyone can seriously think that we aren't a better overall  team with Terry playing. The club seriously needs to focus on our attacking prowess.The defence, including the keeper are good enough to get us promoted but it won't happen until we rattle the onion bag a lot more often.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Diablo on December 19, 2017, 02:15:13 PM
Terry is very good good, especially at 37 years of age. But he's no McGrath.

He’s just a very naughty boy.

A great philosopher once wrote
Naughty, naughty, very naughty

E's are Good E's are Good

Randomly went on a youtube journey this morning which ended up with me listening to that song for the first time in what must be a decade! Chris Moyles played a snippet of Cotton Eye Joe, I youtubed that, led me onto The Prodigy - Out of Space, The Grid  -Swamp thing and finally a playlist of the Shamen's greatest hits. Musical Pioneers!
Out of Space is a belter!
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Ad@m on December 19, 2017, 02:28:19 PM
Listening to John Terry on Sky tonight I'm convinced he's got a job lined up on the management staff when we do get promoted. He'll retire from playing once we've achieved promotion. His list of contacts are second to none.

I've no doubt that's the case, all this support for the team whilst injured isn't a sudden conversion to our club. Still, if we get something out of it then he's useful on and off the field.

All this support? He was watching Chelsea at the weekend rather than us.

Who could blame him?!

He's also driven himself to watch a game in East Anglia when he wasn't playing, was on the bench in others whilst injured. Do you expect him to be at every game?

As team captain and on the books of the Villa to the tune of £60k a week?  Yes, I absolutely expect him to be there every game.

There seems to be an incredibly low expectation bar set for players these days - first he was lauded for doing some training and now he's being given a free pass to skip games when he'd rather go to watch Chelsea.  If the cost of my season ticket is contributing to his extortionate salary he can suffer our "performances" just like me!

Were you at Derby?

Pay me £60k a week and I'll go wherever you want me to go.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on December 19, 2017, 02:35:45 PM
This is a fucking stupid debate.  How many injured players do you seriously think go to all home and away games?  He's been to a substantial amount and that is to his credit.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: paul_e on December 19, 2017, 02:44:53 PM
Our major problem is the goals for column not the goals against. But I don't think anyone can seriously think that we aren't a better overall  team with Terry playing. The club seriously needs to focus on our attacking prowess.The defence, including the keeper are good enough to get us promoted but it won't happen until we rattle the onion bag a lot more often.

Absolutely, my point is more the one you make after, whilst Terry is a great player and does make us look better that hasn't translated to points on the board (the one stat I didn't include but it's fairly clear from the win and draw percentages that he doesn't really change our 'points per game' stat).  My post was aimed at the 'rather have Terry back than Kodjia' comments, Kodjia actually affects the table for us, Terry doesn't seem to despite being the better player of the 2.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: The Edge on December 19, 2017, 03:30:19 PM
Terry is very good good, especially at 37 years of age. But he's no McGrath.

He’s just a very naughty boy.

A great philosopher once wrote
Naughty, naughty, very naughty

E's are Good E's are Good

Randomly went on a youtube journey this morning which ended up with me listening to that song for the first time in what must be a decade! Chris Moyles played a snippet of Cotton Eye Joe, I youtubed that, led me onto The Prodigy - Out of Space, The Grid  -Swamp thing and finally a playlist of the Shamen's greatest hits. Musical Pioneers!
Out of Space is a belter!
Yes!! Totally agree 👍 I'd vote for Out of Space for the teams to come out to at VP. That would get the place rocking
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Diablo on December 19, 2017, 03:38:01 PM
Terry is very good good, especially at 37 years of age. But he's no McGrath.

He’s just a very naughty boy.

A great philosopher once wrote
Naughty, naughty, very naughty

E's are Good E's are Good

Randomly went on a youtube journey this morning which ended up with me listening to that song for the first time in what must be a decade! Chris Moyles played a snippet of Cotton Eye Joe, I youtubed that, led me onto The Prodigy - Out of Space, The Grid  -Swamp thing and finally a playlist of the Shamen's greatest hits. Musical Pioneers!
Out of Space is a belter!
Yes!! Totally agree 👍 I'd vote for Out of Space for the teams to come out to at VP. That would get the place rocking
Hahaha!  I think that's a great idea - chaos
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 19, 2017, 03:45:04 PM
Some are finding a way to get upset over absolutely nothing. He's not done anything to embarrass the club since arriving, dedicated himself while he played for us and is dedicating himself in trying to play again for us as soon as possible. He's here in a limited capacity, and in that context I accept he's not going to become "Villa" suddenly. What we are paying him is irrelevant because it's the going rate, and we have paid more for players who have given way less over a longer contract.

That he ultimately does it on the pitch is all I care about.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Allan C on December 19, 2017, 03:48:02 PM
Some are finding a way to get upset over absolutely nothing. He's not done anything to embarrass the club since arriving, dedicated himself while he played for us and is dedicating himself in trying to play again for us as soon as possible. He's here in a limited capacity, and in that context I accept he's not going to become "Villa" suddenly. What we are paying him is irrelevant because it's the going rate, and we have paid more for players who have given way less over a longer contract.

That he ultimately does it on the pitch is all I care about.
Totally in a nutshell
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Diablo on December 19, 2017, 03:55:56 PM
I can see why some would get upset comparing Gerald Appleyard (who so far has made 16 appearances for us in the 2nd division) with Paul McGrath who made 253 appearances for us in the top division. In my opinion (despite the comparisons) they shouldn't even be mentioned in the same paragraph ;-)
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: WarszaVillan on December 19, 2017, 03:59:02 PM
Some are finding a way to get upset over absolutely nothing. He's not done anything to embarrass the club since arriving, dedicated himself while he played for us and is dedicating himself in trying to play again for us as soon as possible. He's here in a limited capacity, and in that context I accept he's not going to become "Villa" suddenly. What we are paying him is irrelevant because it's the going rate, and we have paid more for players who have given way less over a longer contract.

That he ultimately does it on the pitch is all I care about.

He's still a prick though
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on December 19, 2017, 05:21:11 PM
I can see why some would get upset comparing Gerald Appleyard (who so far has made 16 appearances for us in the 2nd division) with Paul McGrath who made 253 appearances for us in the top division. In my opinion (despite the comparisons) they shouldn't even be mentioned in the same paragraph ;-)
Drop the Appleyard thing, it's pathetic beyond belief.  But yes I agree, Terry is no Paul McGrath.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: The Edge on December 19, 2017, 05:28:54 PM
I can see why some would get upset comparing Gerald Appleyard (who so far has made 16 appearances for us in the 2nd division) with Paul McGrath who made 253 appearances for us in the top division. In my opinion (despite the comparisons) they shouldn't even be mentioned in the same paragraph ;-)
Drop the Appleyard thing, it's pathetic beyond belief.  But yes I agree, Terry is no Paul McGrath.
Can someone please tell me who the fuck Gerald Appleyard is?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: The Edge on December 19, 2017, 05:35:01 PM
Terry is very good good, especially at 37 years of age. But he's no McGrath.

He’s just a very naughty boy.

A great philosopher once wrote
Naughty, naughty, very naughty

E's are Good E's are Good

Randomly went on a youtube journey this morning which ended up with me listening to that song for the first time in what must be a decade! Chris Moyles played a snippet of Cotton Eye Joe, I youtubed that, led me onto The Prodigy - Out of Space, The Grid  -Swamp thing and finally a playlist of the Shamen's greatest hits. Musical Pioneers!
Out of Space is a belter!
Yes!! Totally agree 👍 I'd vote for Out of Space for the teams to come out to at VP. That would get the place rocking
Hahaha!  I think that's a great idea - chaos
Yeah imagine everyone jumping around at the bass drop? I've even thought of lyrics "I'm an Aston Villa fan proud of what I am. I'm an Aston Villa fan proud of what I am" with the bass thundering around Villa Park. Aye.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on December 19, 2017, 05:41:33 PM
I can see why some would get upset comparing Gerald Appleyard (who so far has made 16 appearances for us in the 2nd division) with Paul McGrath who made 253 appearances for us in the top division. In my opinion (despite the comparisons) they shouldn't even be mentioned in the same paragraph ;-)
Drop the Appleyard thing, it's pathetic beyond belief.  But yes I agree, Terry is no Paul McGrath.
Can someone please tell me who the fuck Gerald Appleyard is?
It's a name to replace 'John Terry'  Some think is humorous.  It's not.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: The Edge on December 19, 2017, 05:44:14 PM
I can see why some would get upset comparing Gerald Appleyard (who so far has made 16 appearances for us in the 2nd division) with Paul McGrath who made 253 appearances for us in the top division. In my opinion (despite the comparisons) they shouldn't even be mentioned in the same paragraph ;-)
Drop the Appleyard thing, it's pathetic beyond belief.  But yes I agree, Terry is no Paul McGrath.
Can someone please tell me who the fuck Gerald Appleyard is?
It's a name to replace 'John Terry'  Some think is humorous.  It's not.
Thanks. And I agree. It's not funny.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Diablo on December 19, 2017, 05:47:47 PM
I can see why some would get upset comparing Gerald Appleyard (who so far has made 16 appearances for us in the 2nd division) with Paul McGrath who made 253 appearances for us in the top division. In my opinion (despite the comparisons) they shouldn't even be mentioned in the same paragraph ;-)
Drop the Appleyard thing, it's pathetic beyond belief.  But yes I agree, Terry is no Paul McGrath.
Chris with all due respect I'm not sure quite why it is upsetting you so but you are entitled to your opinion and I mine. I personally think the Gerald Appleyard love in is pathetic beyond belief but hey ho! Nice to know we agree with the McGrath side of things though. Any who Merry Christmas and UTV! 
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Diablo on December 19, 2017, 06:01:26 PM
I can see why some would get upset comparing Gerald Appleyard (who so far has made 16 appearances for us in the 2nd division) with Paul McGrath who made 253 appearances for us in the top division. In my opinion (despite the comparisons) they shouldn't even be mentioned in the same paragraph ;-)
Drop the Appleyard thing, it's pathetic beyond belief.  But yes I agree, Terry is no Paul McGrath.
Can someone please tell me who the fuck Gerald Appleyard is?
It's a name to replace 'John Terry'  Some think is humorous.  It's not.
Thanks. And I agree. It's not funny.
Due to John Terry's rather chequered, narcissistic and (more importantly for some) racist past the name arose organically earlier in the thread by some of the fans who weren't too happy with the association. There's humour in it but there's also a reason behind it. Whilst he's in a Villa shirt he'll always be Gerald Appleyard to me ;-)
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 19, 2017, 08:01:04 PM
I can see why some would get upset comparing Gerald Appleyard (who so far has made 16 appearances for us in the 2nd division) with Paul McGrath who made 253 appearances for us in the top division. In my opinion (despite the comparisons) they shouldn't even be mentioned in the same paragraph ;-)
Drop the Appleyard thing, it's pathetic beyond belief.  But yes I agree, Terry is no Paul McGrath.
Can someone please tell me who the fuck Gerald Appleyard is?
It's a name to replace 'John Terry'  Some think is humorous.  It's not.
Thanks. And I agree. It's not funny.
It’s as funny as Barry and the penalty if you are 11.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: stuart445 on December 20, 2017, 09:35:02 AM
Listening to John Terry on Sky tonight I'm convinced he's got a job lined up on the management staff when we do get promoted. He'll retire from playing once we've achieved promotion. His list of contacts are second to none.

I've no doubt that's the case, all this support for the team whilst injured isn't a sudden conversion to our club. Still, if we get something out of it then he's useful on and off the field.

All this support? He was watching Chelsea at the weekend rather than us.

Who could blame him?!

He's also driven himself to watch a game in East Anglia when he wasn't playing, was on the bench in others whilst injured. Do you expect him to be at every game?

As team captain and on the books of the Villa to the tune of £60k a week?  Yes, I absolutely expect him to be there every game.

There seems to be an incredibly low expectation bar set for players these days - first he was lauded for doing some training and now he's being given a free pass to skip games when he'd rather go to watch Chelsea.  If the cost of my season ticket is contributing to his extortionate salary he can suffer our "performances" just like me!
Do you really think all injured players go to all games?

He's shown his commitment and if that's not enough for you then such is life.

As Ad@m said he isn't just an injured player is he. As club captain he has different responsibilities than say Kodjia.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Neil Hawkes on December 20, 2017, 09:55:35 AM
I am surprised that there are so many that think someones personal life must be on hold, when they are employed by the greatest team on the planet. He's a Chelsea supporter and, although injured, still goes to more of our matches than he does their matches. I don't give a toss how many millions someone is paid, you can only dedicate so much of your personal life to work related activities before everything around you turns to shit, a healthy balance is required.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: boozey182 on December 20, 2017, 10:01:58 AM
Our major problem is the goals for column not the goals against. But I don't think anyone can seriously think that we aren't a better overall  team with Terry playing. The club seriously needs to focus on our attacking prowess.The defence, including the keeper are good enough to get us promoted but it won't happen until we rattle the onion bag a lot more often.

Absolutely, my point is more the one you make after, whilst Terry is a great player and does make us look better that hasn't translated to points on the board (the one stat I didn't include but it's fairly clear from the win and draw percentages that he doesn't really change our 'points per game' stat).  My post was aimed at the 'rather have Terry back than Kodjia' comments, Kodjia actually affects the table for us, Terry doesn't seem to despite being the better player of the 2.

Just for fun, let me put forward an argument that says we could be a better side when Terry is not in it. Or at least a theory why we have got more points per game without him in the team.

Our game is totally focused on minimising mistakes and weaknesses, to keep a clean sheet and get a goal when we're on top. Terry and Chester are probably the best two centre backs in the league, but both lack pace and height (or at least a big leap to compensate). I don't think they complement each other and leaves us with a couple of weaknesses. Samba and Jedinak, while nowhere near as good as either Chester or Terry, plug a hole, so to speak.

Terry's strengths are his ability to read the game and his distribution. Again he's probably the best in the league in these respects. But with our stationary midfield there's only so much he can do with his distribution. He's not going to create goals. And this league doesn't contain too many players that can slice us open, so his reading of the game isn't as important as it would have been for Chelsea against more sharp-witted opposition. So in terms of tangible benefits, there isn't much he offers.

There's his leadership. But that's incredibly difficult to measure. The fact we've done slightly better since he's been out suggests that we might over estimate his role in this regard. Maybe he's instilled something in the team that can be kept going while he's out... Who knows? We had good runs last season without him, we've had bad runs this season with him. It's difficult to measure.

The best players don't always make the best teams. I remember saying in the summer we needed the next Ugo to play to Chester. I still think that.

To be honest, I'm not sure I fully buy into this theory myself, but thought I'd offer it up to discuss. Like has been said, the sample size is too small to draw any serious conclusions, but we definitely haven't got worse since he was out so thought it would be interesting to try to work out why.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Ad@m on December 20, 2017, 10:02:31 AM
I am surprised that there are so many that think someones personal life must be on hold, when they are employed by the greatest team on the planet. He's a Chelsea supporter and, although injured, still goes to more of our matches than he does their matches. I don't give a toss how many millions someone is paid, you can only dedicate so much of your personal life to work related activities before everything around you turns to shit, a healthy balance is required.

He is a professional footballer - as an absolute minimum I'd describe the 90 minutes the club he's captain of are playing to be working rather than personal life.  As a general rule, you'd be hard pushed to find many people who think professional footballers are overworked!
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: paul_e on December 20, 2017, 10:11:46 AM
Our major problem is the goals for column not the goals against. But I don't think anyone can seriously think that we aren't a better overall  team with Terry playing. The club seriously needs to focus on our attacking prowess.The defence, including the keeper are good enough to get us promoted but it won't happen until we rattle the onion bag a lot more often.

Absolutely, my point is more the one you make after, whilst Terry is a great player and does make us look better that hasn't translated to points on the board (the one stat I didn't include but it's fairly clear from the win and draw percentages that he doesn't really change our 'points per game' stat).  My post was aimed at the 'rather have Terry back than Kodjia' comments, Kodjia actually affects the table for us, Terry doesn't seem to despite being the better player of the 2.

Just for fun, let me put forward an argument that says we could be a better side when Terry is not in it. Or at least a theory why we have got more points per game without him in the team.

Our game is totally focused on minimising mistakes and weaknesses, to keep a clean sheet and get a goal when we're on top. Terry and Chester are probably the best two centre backs in the league, but both lack pace and height (or at least a big leap to compensate). I don't think they complement each other and leaves us with a couple of weaknesses. Samba and Jedinak, while nowhere near as good as either Chester or Terry, plug a hole, so to speak.

Terry's strengths are his ability to read the game and his distribution. Again he's probably the best in the league in these respects. But with our stationary midfield there's only so much he can do with his distribution. He's not going to create goals. And this league doesn't contain too many players that can slice us open, so his reading of the game isn't as important as it would have been for Chelsea against more sharp-witted opposition. So in terms of tangible benefits, there isn't much he offers.

There's his leadership. But that's incredibly difficult to measure. The fact we've done slightly better since he's been out suggests that we might over estimate his role in this regard. Maybe he's instilled something in the team that can be kept going while he's out... Who knows? We had good runs last season without him, we've had bad runs this season with him. It's difficult to measure.

The best players don't always make the best teams. I remember saying in the summer we needed the next Ugo to play to Chester. I still think that.

To be honest, I'm not sure I fully buy into this theory myself, but thought I'd offer it up to discuss. Like has been said, the sample size is too small to draw any serious conclusions, but we definitely haven't got worse since he was out so thought it would be interesting to try to work out why.

I agree that him and Chester are an uncomfortable pairing but I think they're both so good (for this league) that they make it work.  Samba an Jedinak are nothing like as talented but as you say, make a more natural pairing with either Terry or Chester so again, that works well.  What it really means is that so long as 1 of Terry or Chester is fit i think our defence is fine and will continue to be less than a goal a game conceded, which is great for what we want to achieve.

That was really my point, Terry is a fantastic player but he doesn't make us a significantly better team with his performances.  As you say he may well have added some leadership and professionalism off the pitch that's harder to quantify and I certainly don't think he was a waste of money or a bad signing I just think his absence is being overplayed by some people when, in truth, we haven't missed him.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Ads on December 20, 2017, 10:18:58 AM
We have the second best defence in the league so he's doing something right. We were pretty handy at the back last year, but I think we've improved, certainly with distribution.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Hookeysmith on December 20, 2017, 10:24:49 AM
So 

any news on his fitness and possible return?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on December 20, 2017, 10:27:17 AM
I am surprised that there are so many that think someones personal life must be on hold, when they are employed by the greatest team on the planet. He's a Chelsea supporter and, although injured, still goes to more of our matches than he does their matches. I don't give a toss how many millions someone is paid, you can only dedicate so much of your personal life to work related activities before everything around you turns to shit, a healthy balance is required.

He is a professional footballer - as an absolute minimum I'd describe the 90 minutes the club he's captain of are playing to be working rather than personal life.  As a general rule, you'd be hard pushed to find many people who think professional footballers are overworked!
I just don't get the problem here.  No injured players, club captains or not, would be expected to go to every game home and away.  The travelling isn't great use of their time for one thing during rehab.  I don't see why you are going out the way to criticise him for this, it's beyond desperate.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: paul_e on December 20, 2017, 10:30:37 AM
We have the second best defence in the league so he's doing something right. We were pretty handy at the back last year, but I think we've improved, certainly with distribution.

but the defence has been just as solid in the 6 games since he got injured.  The improvements could be down a number of things (including the professionalism he's helped instil. As I said, I'm not in any way saying he's a bad player or that he shouldn't start again as soon as he's fully fit this is specifically an argument against the idea that we've missed him massively and that him coming back will be more important that Kodjia coming back.  Kodjia being out for most of the season will have a huge impact on us because none of the other strikers look capable of scoring the goals we need to challenge at the top.  I think Bruce realised that as well which is why he came back in when he really didn't look ready.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on December 20, 2017, 10:45:10 AM
We have the second best defence in the league so he's doing something right. We were pretty handy at the back last year, but I think we've improved, certainly with distribution.

but the defence has been just as solid in the 6 games since he got injured.  The improvements could be down a number of things (including the professionalism he's helped instil. As I said, I'm not in any way saying he's a bad player or that he shouldn't start again as soon as he's fully fit this is specifically an argument against the idea that we've missed him massively and that him coming back will be more important that Kodjia coming back.  Kodjia being out for most of the season will have a huge impact on us because none of the other strikers look capable of scoring the goals we need to challenge at the top.  I think Bruce realised that as well which is why he came back in when he really didn't look ready.
I agree.  Kodjia coming back would probably be more important right now.  But I think the fact we are in the position we are has an awful lot to do with what Terry brought to the party.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chris Smith on December 20, 2017, 11:09:50 AM
We have adopted a more conservative approach without Terry, protecting the back 4 more and as a result sacrificing some attacking intent. On top of his defensive capabilities we also miss his organisational abilities, composure and readiness to pass the ball to build from from the back. Quite simply we are a better team when he is playing.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Ads on December 20, 2017, 11:14:22 AM
Should be back for Boro.

That's a possibility Chris. I don't think we can knock the midfield this year. We were concerned about goals and really looking at whether the midfield would step up and they have weighed in with the lions share.

Its the forwards who have let us down and injuries have really hampered that. Kodjia, Hogan and Gabby have missed a bundle of games so far, so we've been reliant on Davis. Kodjia being out is a massive blow, but we've dealt well with that so far. Key to get through the next few fixtures and make sure we add one or two.

I really think we may see two up top. If Hogan and Gabby can weigh in with some goals over the next five or six games then all the better. Certainly worth seeing them play as if there isn't much to spend due to FFP, then we have to go with what we've got.

Terry being the best defender in the league certainly makes it easier to play 442 with confidence.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: paul_e on December 20, 2017, 11:15:00 AM
We have the second best defence in the league so he's doing something right. We were pretty handy at the back last year, but I think we've improved, certainly with distribution.

but the defence has been just as solid in the 6 games since he got injured.  The improvements could be down a number of things (including the professionalism he's helped instil. As I said, I'm not in any way saying he's a bad player or that he shouldn't start again as soon as he's fully fit this is specifically an argument against the idea that we've missed him massively and that him coming back will be more important that Kodjia coming back.  Kodjia being out for most of the season will have a huge impact on us because none of the other strikers look capable of scoring the goals we need to challenge at the top.  I think Bruce realised that as well which is why he came back in when he really didn't look ready.
I agree.  Kodjia coming back would probably be more important right now.  But I think the fact we are in the position we are has an awful lot to do with what Terry brought to the party.

Absolutely agree, I think Terry has worked out to be a great signing, I'll admit I was wrong as I expected him to half arse it more and to be "at Chelsea we ..." all the time and he's actually been a model pro and captain.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Hookeysmith on December 20, 2017, 01:04:03 PM
Agreed - Terry has been a model pro
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Drummond on December 20, 2017, 01:26:06 PM
Agreed - Terry has been a model pro

I agree - the wanker.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chris Jameson on December 20, 2017, 02:22:27 PM

I agree - the wanker.

I agree, he's a wanker.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Ad@m on December 20, 2017, 02:41:14 PM
I am surprised that there are so many that think someones personal life must be on hold, when they are employed by the greatest team on the planet. He's a Chelsea supporter and, although injured, still goes to more of our matches than he does their matches. I don't give a toss how many millions someone is paid, you can only dedicate so much of your personal life to work related activities before everything around you turns to shit, a healthy balance is required.

He is a professional footballer - as an absolute minimum I'd describe the 90 minutes the club he's captain of are playing to be working rather than personal life.  As a general rule, you'd be hard pushed to find many people who think professional footballers are overworked!
I just don't get the problem here.  No injured players, club captains or not, would be expected to go to every game home and away.  The travelling isn't great use of their time for one thing during rehab.  I don't see why you are going out the way to criticise him for this, it's beyond desperate.

I'm not going out of my way.  It's my opinion.

You seem to have very low expectations of our captain whereas I think that a leader needs to be physically there to show leadership.  Wouldn't it have been nice, for example, if he went in to the dressing room after the abject result against Derby and gave the rest of the team his opinion on what it takes to win championships and what's expected this Saturday rather than be in London having a laugh with his mates, supporting another team?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on December 20, 2017, 04:01:20 PM
I am surprised that there are so many that think someones personal life must be on hold, when they are employed by the greatest team on the planet. He's a Chelsea supporter and, although injured, still goes to more of our matches than he does their matches. I don't give a toss how many millions someone is paid, you can only dedicate so much of your personal life to work related activities before everything around you turns to shit, a healthy balance is required.

He is a professional footballer - as an absolute minimum I'd describe the 90 minutes the club he's captain of are playing to be working rather than personal life.  As a general rule, you'd be hard pushed to find many people who think professional footballers are overworked!
I just don't get the problem here.  No injured players, club captains or not, would be expected to go to every game home and away.  The travelling isn't great use of their time for one thing during rehab.  I don't see why you are going out the way to criticise him for this, it's beyond desperate.

I'm not going out of my way.  It's my opinion.

You seem to have very low expectations of our captain whereas I think that a leader needs to be physically there to show leadership.  Wouldn't it have been nice, for example, if he went in to the dressing room after the abject result against Derby and gave the rest of the team his opinion on what it takes to win championships and what's expected this Saturday rather than be in London having a laugh with his mates, supporting another team?
You're just being daft.  And hyper critical for the sake of it.  He's got plenty of time to talk to the players about the next game without him laying into them when  they're just waiting to get into the shower. 

Do you think our other injured captains went to every single game home and away?  I've no idea, but I would be amazed if they did.  Do you think Kompany goes to every Man City game, or any other injured captain of other teams for that matter? 
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Drummond on December 20, 2017, 04:01:38 PM
I am surprised that there are so many that think someones personal life must be on hold, when they are employed by the greatest team on the planet. He's a Chelsea supporter and, although injured, still goes to more of our matches than he does their matches. I don't give a toss how many millions someone is paid, you can only dedicate so much of your personal life to work related activities before everything around you turns to shit, a healthy balance is required.

He is a professional footballer - as an absolute minimum I'd describe the 90 minutes the club he's captain of are playing to be working rather than personal life.  As a general rule, you'd be hard pushed to find many people who think professional footballers are overworked!
I just don't get the problem here.  No injured players, club captains or not, would be expected to go to every game home and away.  The travelling isn't great use of their time for one thing during rehab.  I don't see why you are going out the way to criticise him for this, it's beyond desperate.

I'm not going out of my way.  It's my opinion.

You seem to have very low expectations of our captain whereas I think that a leader needs to be physically there to show leadership.  Wouldn't it have been nice, for example, if he went in to the dressing room after the abject result against Derby and gave the rest of the team his opinion on what it takes to win championships and what's expected this Saturday rather than be in London having a laugh with his mates, supporting another team?

Do you mean leadership in the sense of his conduct during the visit to Acorns?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Ad@m on December 20, 2017, 04:08:29 PM
I am surprised that there are so many that think someones personal life must be on hold, when they are employed by the greatest team on the planet. He's a Chelsea supporter and, although injured, still goes to more of our matches than he does their matches. I don't give a toss how many millions someone is paid, you can only dedicate so much of your personal life to work related activities before everything around you turns to shit, a healthy balance is required.

He is a professional footballer - as an absolute minimum I'd describe the 90 minutes the club he's captain of are playing to be working rather than personal life.  As a general rule, you'd be hard pushed to find many people who think professional footballers are overworked!
I just don't get the problem here.  No injured players, club captains or not, would be expected to go to every game home and away.  The travelling isn't great use of their time for one thing during rehab.  I don't see why you are going out the way to criticise him for this, it's beyond desperate.

I'm not going out of my way.  It's my opinion.

You seem to have very low expectations of our captain whereas I think that a leader needs to be physically there to show leadership.  Wouldn't it have been nice, for example, if he went in to the dressing room after the abject result against Derby and gave the rest of the team his opinion on what it takes to win championships and what's expected this Saturday rather than be in London having a laugh with his mates, supporting another team?

Do you mean leadership in the sense of his conduct during the visit to Acorns?

I haven't seen it but I'm guessing yes. Just because he's done it once though doesn't give him a free pass for the rest of his contract.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Drummond on December 20, 2017, 05:20:45 PM
He hasn't just done it once. It's just the most recent example.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Canadian Villa on December 20, 2017, 09:39:45 PM
I am surprised that there are so many that think someones personal life must be on hold, when they are employed by the greatest team on the planet. He's a Chelsea supporter and, although injured, still goes to more of our matches than he does their matches. I don't give a toss how many millions someone is paid, you can only dedicate so much of your personal life to work related activities before everything around you turns to shit, a healthy balance is required.

He is a professional footballer - as an absolute minimum I'd describe the 90 minutes the club he's captain of are playing to be working rather than personal life.  As a general rule, you'd be hard pushed to find many people who think professional footballers are overworked!
I just don't get the problem here.  No injured players, club captains or not, would be expected to go to every game home and away.  The travelling isn't great use of their time for one thing during rehab.  I don't see why you are going out the way to criticise him for this, it's beyond desperate.

I'm not going out of my way.  It's my opinion.

You seem to have very low expectations of our captain whereas I think that a leader needs to be physically there to show leadership.  Wouldn't it have been nice, for example, if he went in to the dressing room after the abject result against Derby and gave the rest of the team his opinion on what it takes to win championships and what's expected this Saturday rather than be in London having a laugh with his mates, supporting another team?

Do you mean leadership in the sense of his conduct during the visit to Acorns?

How is leadership tied with his conduct during a visit to Acorns? what was his conduct?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: saunders_heroes on December 20, 2017, 09:55:31 PM
When has anyone on here ever been bothered about injured players attending away games before John Terry turned up?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: WarszaVillan on December 20, 2017, 09:56:03 PM
I am surprised that there are so many that think someones personal life must be on hold, when they are employed by the greatest team on the planet. He's a Chelsea supporter and, although injured, still goes to more of our matches than he does their matches. I don't give a toss how many millions someone is paid, you can only dedicate so much of your personal life to work related activities before everything around you turns to shit, a healthy balance is required.

He is a professional footballer - as an absolute minimum I'd describe the 90 minutes the club he's captain of are playing to be working rather than personal life.  As a general rule, you'd be hard pushed to find many people who think professional footballers are overworked!
I just don't get the problem here.  No injured players, club captains or not, would be expected to go to every game home and away.  The travelling isn't great use of their time for one thing during rehab.  I don't see why you are going out the way to criticise him for this, it's beyond desperate.

I'm not going out of my way.  It's my opinion.

You seem to have very low expectations of our captain whereas I think that a leader needs to be physically there to show leadership.  Wouldn't it have been nice, for example, if he went in to the dressing room after the abject result against Derby and gave the rest of the team his opinion on what it takes to win championships and what's expected this Saturday rather than be in London having a laugh with his mates, supporting another team?

Do you mean leadership in the sense of his conduct during the visit to Acorns?

How is leadership tied with his conduct during a visit to Acorns? what was his conduct?

He managed not to racially abuse anyone or sleep with a teammates partner (as far as we know)
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Brend'Watkins on December 20, 2017, 10:03:09 PM
When has anyone on here ever been bothered about injured players attending away games before John Terry turned up?

Didn’t someone kick off last season when Kodja was out shopping on a match day during one of his injuries?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chris Jameson on December 20, 2017, 10:35:02 PM
It must be bad enough playing and seeing the team close up without having to then actually watch them when you’re not in the team.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 20, 2017, 10:40:15 PM
Pretty sure I remember a pointless ruck here when an injured Darren Bent was spotted shuffling around the Bullring.

I don't care if he spends his injured time strangling chickens in the middle of robin hood island so long as he applies himself properly when it comes to being a footballer.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chris Smith on December 20, 2017, 11:02:56 PM
Pretty sure I remember a pointless ruck here when an injured Darren Bent was spotted shuffling around the Bullring.

I don't care if he spends his injured time strangling chickens in the middle of robin hood island so long as he applies himself properly when it comes to being a footballer.

While I agree with the thrust of your argument I think I would have to draw the line at him choking the chicken on the A34.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Damo70 on December 20, 2017, 11:03:34 PM
Pretty sure I remember a pointless ruck here when an injured Darren Bent was spotted shuffling around the Bullring.

I don't care if he spends his injured time strangling chickens in the middle of robin hood island so long as he applies himself properly when it comes to being a footballer.


So you are supporting ritual sacrifice of chickens on the Robin Hood island. I have always suspected that Hall Greenites like you and my wife were like something straight out of 'The Wicker Man'. She is probably downstairs eating a live frog right now.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: villabear on December 21, 2017, 05:18:54 AM
Pretty sure I remember a pointless ruck here when an injured Darren Bent was spotted shuffling around the Bullring.

I don't care if he spends his injured time strangling chickens in the middle of robin hood island so long as he applies himself properly when it comes to being a footballer.


So you are supporting ritual sacrifice of chickens on the Robin Hood island. I have always suspected that Hall Greenites like you and my wife were like something straight out of 'The Wicker Man'. She is probably downstairs eating a live frog right now.

Eating a frog downstairs right now?  This thread has gone a bit League of gentlemen.

"We'll have no shouting here"

Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: stuart445 on December 21, 2017, 09:48:48 AM
I am surprised that there are so many that think someones personal life must be on hold, when they are employed by the greatest team on the planet. He's a Chelsea supporter and, although injured, still goes to more of our matches than he does their matches. I don't give a toss how many millions someone is paid, you can only dedicate so much of your personal life to work related activities before everything around you turns to shit, a healthy balance is required.

He is a professional footballer - as an absolute minimum I'd describe the 90 minutes the club he's captain of are playing to be working rather than personal life.  As a general rule, you'd be hard pushed to find many people who think professional footballers are overworked!
I just don't get the problem here.  No injured players, club captains or not, would be expected to go to every game home and away.  The travelling isn't great use of their time for one thing during rehab.  I don't see why you are going out the way to criticise him for this, it's beyond desperate.

I'm not going out of my way.  It's my opinion.

You seem to have very low expectations of our captain whereas I think that a leader needs to be physically there to show leadership.  Wouldn't it have been nice, for example, if he went in to the dressing room after the abject result against Derby and gave the rest of the team his opinion on what it takes to win championships and what's expected this Saturday rather than be in London having a laugh with his mates, supporting another team?
You're just being daft.  And hyper critical for the sake of it.  He's got plenty of time to talk to the players about the next game without him laying into them when  they're just waiting to get into the shower. 

Do you think our other injured captains went to every single game home and away?  I've no idea, but I would be amazed if they did.  Do you think Kompany goes to every Man City game, or any other injured captain of other teams for that matter?

So you think it's good that our club captain who should be showing leadership, who should be giving the impression to the players that we are in this together and should be relied on for support should the players need it is watching another team play at the same time as the team he is meant to be captain of is playing?

I'm not particularly angry about it if I'm honest I just don't think having your club captain attending another teams match whilst we play is a good look.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on December 21, 2017, 10:12:16 AM
Pretty sure I remember a pointless ruck here when an injured Darren Bent was spotted shuffling around the Bullring.

I don't care if he spends his injured time strangling chickens in the middle of robin hood island so long as he applies himself properly when it comes to being a footballer.

While I agree with the thrust of your argument I think I would have to draw the line at him choking the chicken on the A34.
<applause>
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on December 21, 2017, 10:14:29 AM
I am surprised that there are so many that think someones personal life must be on hold, when they are employed by the greatest team on the planet. He's a Chelsea supporter and, although injured, still goes to more of our matches than he does their matches. I don't give a toss how many millions someone is paid, you can only dedicate so much of your personal life to work related activities before everything around you turns to shit, a healthy balance is required.

He is a professional footballer - as an absolute minimum I'd describe the 90 minutes the club he's captain of are playing to be working rather than personal life.  As a general rule, you'd be hard pushed to find many people who think professional footballers are overworked!
I just don't get the problem here.  No injured players, club captains or not, would be expected to go to every game home and away.  The travelling isn't great use of their time for one thing during rehab.  I don't see why you are going out the way to criticise him for this, it's beyond desperate.

I'm not going out of my way.  It's my opinion.

You seem to have very low expectations of our captain whereas I think that a leader needs to be physically there to show leadership.  Wouldn't it have been nice, for example, if he went in to the dressing room after the abject result against Derby and gave the rest of the team his opinion on what it takes to win championships and what's expected this Saturday rather than be in London having a laugh with his mates, supporting another team?
You're just being daft.  And hyper critical for the sake of it.  He's got plenty of time to talk to the players about the next game without him laying into them when  they're just waiting to get into the shower. 

Do you think our other injured captains went to every single game home and away?  I've no idea, but I would be amazed if they did.  Do you think Kompany goes to every Man City game, or any other injured captain of other teams for that matter?

So you think it's good that our club captain who should be showing leadership, who should be giving the impression to the players that we are in this together and should be relied on for support should the players need it is watching another team play at the same time as the team he is meant to be captain of is playing?

I'm not particularly angry about it if I'm honest I just don't think having your club captain attending another teams match whilst we play is a good look.
Yeah we know what you think.  It seems few agree with you and you're being unreasonable.  I'll sure you'll find something else to have a dig at him about soon and we can let this one go.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: WarszaVillan on December 21, 2017, 11:45:20 AM
How do you know if few agree? I'd suggest writing as l rather than we
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on December 21, 2017, 12:25:36 PM
How do you know if few agree? I'd suggest writing as l rather than we
Read the fucking thread
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on December 21, 2017, 12:28:38 PM
But in the interests of balance if anyone else agrees that an injured player should be castigated for not going to every single game, home and away, despite their peers at Villa and other clubs seemingly not doing so then please do feel free to shout up.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on December 21, 2017, 12:33:00 PM
Well, as you asked so nicely, I would expect our captain to be watching our games if he's been ruled out of playing. Although, either way, i won't be getting my tits in a twist about it.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Risso on December 21, 2017, 12:47:48 PM
I don't know what the protocol is for injured players, but John Terry is normally there, isn't he?  I'm with Chico, I'd rather not see him at Chelsea when we've got a game on, but it's fairly low down the list of things to be upset about.  Perhaps he was down in London seeing a medical specialist and Bruce gave him the weekend off?  Maybe he was there to try to tap up a loan deal or two, who knows?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: paul_e on December 21, 2017, 12:53:39 PM
I don't know what the protocol is for injured players, but John Terry is normally there, isn't he?  I'm with Chico, I'd rather not see him at Chelsea when we've got a game on, but it's fairly low down the list of things to be upset about.  Perhaps he was down in London seeing a medical specialist and Bruce gave him the weekend off?  Maybe he was there to try to tap up a loan deal or two, who knows?

That's my take on it as well, with the addition that if he wasn't so high profile we probably wouldn't know anything about it.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: WarszaVillan on December 21, 2017, 01:16:26 PM
How do you know if few agree? I'd suggest writing as l rather than we
Read the fucking thread


I have read the thread. Are you ok btw, you seem very stressed?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Tayls_7 on December 21, 2017, 01:41:46 PM
If half our players were as committed to our cause or performed as competently we'd be preparing for life in the PL.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chris Jameson on December 21, 2017, 01:57:59 PM
I don't know what the protocol is for injured players, but John Terry is normally there, isn't he?  I'm with Chico, I'd rather not see him at Chelsea when we've got a game on, but it's fairly low down the list of things to be upset about.  Perhaps he was down in London seeing a medical specialist and Bruce gave him the weekend off?  Maybe he was there to try to tap up a loan deal or two, who knows?

There could be a perfectly innocent reason why he was there, perhaps he's banging one of his ex team mates wives? People shouldn't be so quick to judge him.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Drummond on December 21, 2017, 02:52:43 PM
I am surprised that there are so many that think someones personal life must be on hold, when they are employed by the greatest team on the planet. He's a Chelsea supporter and, although injured, still goes to more of our matches than he does their matches. I don't give a toss how many millions someone is paid, you can only dedicate so much of your personal life to work related activities before everything around you turns to shit, a healthy balance is required.

He is a professional footballer - as an absolute minimum I'd describe the 90 minutes the club he's captain of are playing to be working rather than personal life.  As a general rule, you'd be hard pushed to find many people who think professional footballers are overworked!
I just don't get the problem here.  No injured players, club captains or not, would be expected to go to every game home and away.  The travelling isn't great use of their time for one thing during rehab.  I don't see why you are going out the way to criticise him for this, it's beyond desperate.

I'm not going out of my way.  It's my opinion.

You seem to have very low expectations of our captain whereas I think that a leader needs to be physically there to show leadership.  Wouldn't it have been nice, for example, if he went in to the dressing room after the abject result against Derby and gave the rest of the team his opinion on what it takes to win championships and what's expected this Saturday rather than be in London having a laugh with his mates, supporting another team?

Do you mean leadership in the sense of his conduct during the visit to Acorns?

How is leadership tied with his conduct during a visit to Acorns? what was his conduct?

He managed not to racially abuse anyone or sleep with a teammates partner (as far as we know)

I'm mnot sure if you're joking or being serious, so perhaps I'll move on.

His leadership and conduct on the visit to Acorns was exemplary by all accounts. He spent a lot of time talking to all the children, families and staff and delayed being moved on to do so.

I think that's good leadership, don't you?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: clash city rocker on December 21, 2017, 04:00:12 PM
Pretty sure I remember a pointless ruck here when an injured Darren Bent was spotted shuffling around the Bullring.

I don't care if he spends his injured time strangling chickens in the middle of robin hood island so long as he applies himself properly when it comes to being a footballer.

While I agree with the thrust of your argument I think I would have to draw the line at him choking the chicken on the A34.

I thought choking the chicken in public became a criminal offence a few years ago.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: stuart445 on December 21, 2017, 05:34:07 PM
I am surprised that there are so many that think someones personal life must be on hold, when they are employed by the greatest team on the planet. He's a Chelsea supporter and, although injured, still goes to more of our matches than he does their matches. I don't give a toss how many millions someone is paid, you can only dedicate so much of your personal life to work related activities before everything around you turns to shit, a healthy balance is required.

He is a professional footballer - as an absolute minimum I'd describe the 90 minutes the club he's captain of are playing to be working rather than personal life.  As a general rule, you'd be hard pushed to find many people who think professional footballers are overworked!
I just don't get the problem here.  No injured players, club captains or not, would be expected to go to every game home and away.  The travelling isn't great use of their time for one thing during rehab.  I don't see why you are going out the way to criticise him for this, it's beyond desperate.

I'm not going out of my way.  It's my opinion.

You seem to have very low expectations of our captain whereas I think that a leader needs to be physically there to show leadership.  Wouldn't it have been nice, for example, if he went in to the dressing room after the abject result against Derby and gave the rest of the team his opinion on what it takes to win championships and what's expected this Saturday rather than be in London having a laugh with his mates, supporting another team?
You're just being daft.  And hyper critical for the sake of it.  He's got plenty of time to talk to the players about the next game without him laying into them when  they're just waiting to get into the shower. 

Do you think our other injured captains went to every single game home and away?  I've no idea, but I would be amazed if they did.  Do you think Kompany goes to every Man City game, or any other injured captain of other teams for that matter?

So you think it's good that our club captain who should be showing leadership, who should be giving the impression to the players that we are in this together and should be relied on for support should the players need it is watching another team play at the same time as the team he is meant to be captain of is playing?

I'm not particularly angry about it if I'm honest I just don't think having your club captain attending another teams match whilst we play is a good look.
Yeah we know what you think.  It seems few agree with you and you're being unreasonable.  I'll sure you'll find something else to have a dig at him about soon and we can let this one go.


Yes, I hate him i'm not going to deny that and i don't think it's unreasonable to think the club Captain should be attending the games.  The same rules / expectations are different for the club captain than just any other player. 

Regarding the comment about Leicester fans not being annoyed about Albrighton attending our games I don't think people here have an issue with Terry attending the Chelsea match I think it's just that he did whilst Villa were playing at the same time.

But as has been pointed out it's not exactly something that is high on the list to get annoyed about.  I'm certainly not going to use it as a stick to beat him with I just think it's not a good look for the club captain to do that.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Canadian Villa on December 21, 2017, 06:17:49 PM
I am surprised that there are so many that think someones personal life must be on hold, when they are employed by the greatest team on the planet. He's a Chelsea supporter and, although injured, still goes to more of our matches than he does their matches. I don't give a toss how many millions someone is paid, you can only dedicate so much of your personal life to work related activities before everything around you turns to shit, a healthy balance is required.

He is a professional footballer - as an absolute minimum I'd describe the 90 minutes the club he's captain of are playing to be working rather than personal life.  As a general rule, you'd be hard pushed to find many people who think professional footballers are overworked!
I just don't get the problem here.  No injured players, club captains or not, would be expected to go to every game home and away.  The travelling isn't great use of their time for one thing during rehab.  I don't see why you are going out the way to criticise him for this, it's beyond desperate.

I'm not going out of my way.  It's my opinion.

You seem to have very low expectations of our captain whereas I think that a leader needs to be physically there to show leadership.  Wouldn't it have been nice, for example, if he went in to the dressing room after the abject result against Derby and gave the rest of the team his opinion on what it takes to win championships and what's expected this Saturday rather than be in London having a laugh with his mates, supporting another team?

Do you mean leadership in the sense of his conduct during the visit to Acorns?

How is leadership tied with his conduct during a visit to Acorns? what was his conduct?

He managed not to racially abuse anyone or sleep with a teammates partner (as far as we know)

I'm mnot sure if you're joking or being serious, so perhaps I'll move on.

His leadership and conduct on the visit to Acorns was exemplary by all accounts. He spent a lot of time talking to all the children, families and staff and delayed being moved on to do so.

I think that's good leadership, don't you?

I don't think that it's tied to leadership at all.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Drummond on December 22, 2017, 01:03:29 PM
I am surprised that there are so many that think someones personal life must be on hold, when they are employed by the greatest team on the planet. He's a Chelsea supporter and, although injured, still goes to more of our matches than he does their matches. I don't give a toss how many millions someone is paid, you can only dedicate so much of your personal life to work related activities before everything around you turns to shit, a healthy balance is required.

He is a professional footballer - as an absolute minimum I'd describe the 90 minutes the club he's captain of are playing to be working rather than personal life.  As a general rule, you'd be hard pushed to find many people who think professional footballers are overworked!
I just don't get the problem here.  No injured players, club captains or not, would be expected to go to every game home and away.  The travelling isn't great use of their time for one thing during rehab.  I don't see why you are going out the way to criticise him for this, it's beyond desperate.

I'm not going out of my way.  It's my opinion.

You seem to have very low expectations of our captain whereas I think that a leader needs to be physically there to show leadership.  Wouldn't it have been nice, for example, if he went in to the dressing room after the abject result against Derby and gave the rest of the team his opinion on what it takes to win championships and what's expected this Saturday rather than be in London having a laugh with his mates, supporting another team?

Do you mean leadership in the sense of his conduct during the visit to Acorns?

How is leadership tied with his conduct during a visit to Acorns? what was his conduct?

He managed not to racially abuse anyone or sleep with a teammates partner (as far as we know)

I'm mnot sure if you're joking or being serious, so perhaps I'll move on.

His leadership and conduct on the visit to Acorns was exemplary by all accounts. He spent a lot of time talking to all the children, families and staff and delayed being moved on to do so.

I think that's good leadership, don't you?

I don't think that it's tied to leadership at all.

That says more than I need to then.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: LeeB on December 22, 2017, 02:50:59 PM
I’m worried I’ll end up in another dimension if I attempt to read through these quotathons.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: TheTimVilla on December 22, 2017, 03:37:58 PM
I’m worried I’ll end up in another dimension if I attempt to read through these quotathons.

Down with that sort of thing
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: ColinMac on December 22, 2017, 03:39:01 PM
Careful now
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: TheTimVilla on December 22, 2017, 03:49:37 PM
Careful now

Quote fail! ;o)
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Canadian Villa on December 22, 2017, 05:40:57 PM
I am surprised that there are so many that think someones personal life must be on hold, when they are employed by the greatest team on the planet. He's a Chelsea supporter and, although injured, still goes to more of our matches than he does their matches. I don't give a toss how many millions someone is paid, you can only dedicate so much of your personal life to work related activities before everything around you turns to shit, a healthy balance is required.

He is a professional footballer - as an absolute minimum I'd describe the 90 minutes the club he's captain of are playing to be working rather than personal life.  As a general rule, you'd be hard pushed to find many people who think professional footballers are overworked!
I just don't get the problem here.  No injured players, club captains or not, would be expected to go to every game home and away.  The travelling isn't great use of their time for one thing during rehab.  I don't see why you are going out the way to criticise him for this, it's beyond desperate.

I'm not going out of my way.  It's my opinion.

You seem to have very low expectations of our captain whereas I think that a leader needs to be physically there to show leadership.  Wouldn't it have been nice, for example, if he went in to the dressing room after the abject result against Derby and gave the rest of the team his opinion on what it takes to win championships and what's expected this Saturday rather than be in London having a laugh with his mates, supporting another team?

Do you mean leadership in the sense of his conduct during the visit to Acorns?

How is leadership tied with his conduct during a visit to Acorns? what was his conduct?

He managed not to racially abuse anyone or sleep with a teammates partner (as far as we know)

I'm mnot sure if you're joking or being serious, so perhaps I'll move on.

His leadership and conduct on the visit to Acorns was exemplary by all accounts. He spent a lot of time talking to all the children, families and staff and delayed being moved on to do so.

I think that's good leadership, don't you?

I don't think that it's tied to leadership at all.

That says more than I need to then.

Your leadership style is a lot different to mine then. As a leader I would expect nothing short of exemplary conduct at a hospital visit from all people on my team. I'm looking for a bit more than the basic standards from leaders
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: sickbeggar on December 22, 2017, 08:43:18 PM
In January 2010, a super-injunction was imposed by a High Court judge preventing the media from reporting allegations that Terry had had a four-month affair in late 2009 with Vanessa Perroncel, the former girlfriend of Wayne Bridge, his former Chelsea and England teammate.[125] The injunction was lifted a week later,[126][127][128] and the British media – especially the tabloid press – covered the rumours in great detail in the days following.[129] The News of the World and the Mail on Sunday subsequently printed apologies to Perroncel for breaching her privacy and stated that the story was "untrue in any case".[130] Perroncel maintains that the alleged affair never took place.[131] The allegations led to then-England manager Fabio Capello removing Terry from the captaincy on 5 February 2010, replacing him with Rio Ferdinand.[92][93][132] Terry was reinstated as captain the following year.[133]


So he didn't actually sleep with a teammate's wife and he was actually found not guilty of racist abuse in a court of law until the FA decided to stick their oar in


The FA commission was also criticised as a "kangaroo court" and the FA for its lack of independence, for failing to disclose all evidence to the police, failing to tape record their interview with key witness Ashley Cole, for lowering the required burden of proof after the incident had taken place,[149] and for punishing Terry for an offence he had already been cleared of in a criminal court,[150][151][152] in contravention of its own rules, which state that verdicts in criminal cases are "presumed to be correct" unless "clear and convincing evidence" to the contrary emerges.[153]


Just saying....

Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Ad@m on December 22, 2017, 09:13:39 PM
Good luck defending John Terry's character!
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: sickbeggar on December 22, 2017, 09:17:12 PM
I just find it annoying that people forget the actual outcome of things and only remember the allegations  8)
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: stuart445 on December 23, 2017, 08:47:01 AM
I just find it annoying that people forget the actual outcome of things and only remember the allegations  8)

A person I worked (note the passed tense) did what Terry admitted to doing. he is now still looking for work following my company sacking him.

The only difference between the incident with Terry and my former colleague is one has expensive Lawyers and one hasn't.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: thick_mike on December 23, 2017, 03:06:09 PM
I was more offended by his tackle on James Milner at Wembley when he tried to chop him in half.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Drummond on December 23, 2017, 09:09:41 PM
Your leadership style is a lot different to mine then. As a leader I would expect nothing short of exemplary conduct at a hospital visit from all people on my team. I'm looking for a bit more than the basic standards from leaders

You contradict yourself.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: TheTimVilla on December 23, 2017, 11:10:12 PM
He was even there today. Leader, Legend, etc
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: VinnieChase84 on December 24, 2017, 02:36:29 PM
Hadn’t he got another year in him or is the summer the end?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Pete3206 on December 24, 2017, 08:30:24 PM
He signed for 1 season.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: themossman on December 24, 2017, 09:57:47 PM
Safe to say it’s possible to do good and valuable work for charity and not be very nice.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: LeeB on December 25, 2017, 10:56:42 AM
Safe to say it’s possible to do good and valuable work for charity and not be very nice.

Good people do shit things, and vice versa. Such is life, nothing is black and white.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Diablo on December 26, 2017, 07:44:20 AM
Safe to say it’s possible to do good and valuable work for charity and not be very nice.

Good people do shit things, and vice versa. Such is life, nothing is black and white.
What about dalmatians? Pandas? Pirate flags?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Steve67 on December 26, 2017, 08:06:42 AM
Chess boards? Zebra crossing?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Bad English on December 26, 2017, 08:54:28 AM
Monochrome photography.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: LeeB on December 26, 2017, 10:01:42 AM
They’re all just shades of grey.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Ads on December 26, 2017, 10:29:32 AM
Is he likely to be back today or Boro?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Ad@m on December 26, 2017, 10:36:49 AM
Bruce confirmed in his post match press conference after Sheff U that Terry wouldn't be fit for today.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 13, 2018, 08:53:53 PM
John Terry returns to partner Chester and that one shot towards the end aside, we never really looked like conceding a goal. They had a lot of the ball today but in the final third weren't able to much of anything with it. This a side that just put 4 past (albeit a weakened) Arsenal last week and would have been very confident coming into this game.

He's a really excellent leader and defender.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 13, 2018, 08:59:01 PM
He’s absolute class and is probably Bruce’s first name on the team sheet and rightly so.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: clash city rocker on January 13, 2018, 09:01:37 PM
At this level as pulp said....different class.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: brian green on January 13, 2018, 09:03:04 PM
He is so technically correct.  He must have been a pleasure to coach as a boy.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Nastylee on January 13, 2018, 10:30:08 PM
But plenty still wanted him on the bench in favour of Mad Tommy. I also note that the poll had an overwhelming majority against the signing. Just goes to show that fans don't always know what's best.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: LukeJames on January 13, 2018, 10:36:49 PM
I didn't want him at all, I thought the wages could've been better spent else were and I think the first few games he was a bit lethargic but since then he has been nothing short of first class, makes it look so easy.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 13, 2018, 10:48:38 PM
If we go up this season he will easily be our best and shrewdest signing of the last 9 years.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: ROBBO on January 14, 2018, 07:02:46 AM
It will be an attraction to any prospect that they will be playing along side of him.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 14, 2018, 07:07:30 AM
I think this is only a one year deal for him. He said he didn’t want to play against Chelsea and I don’t know if he’s have come if we were a PL club. I can absolutely see him in Miami playing in Beckham’s MLS side or sooner at any number of sides that would take him in a heartbeat.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: mr underhill on January 14, 2018, 07:22:29 AM
he's a total fuckwad as a person but he's been exemplary for us as a player.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Nastylee on January 14, 2018, 09:49:27 AM
he's a total fuckwad as a person but he's been exemplary for us as a player.

There's been no evidence to suggest he's an evil person since he signed. I also think his influence on Jack cannot be underestimated. Far better than the example set by the likes of Gabby in recent years.

Whilst JT has worked tirelessly to get back fit from a broken bone, Gabby has used his muscle strain or whatever it is to set up a chav clothing company. One loves Chelsea, the other Villa!
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: charleeco7 on January 14, 2018, 09:57:47 AM
he's a total fuckwad as a person but he's been exemplary for us as a player.

I met him at the Belfry the morning of the Sheffield Wednesday game where he got injured and he was far from a fuckward. He was very approachable, friendly, wished me happy birthday (as it was) and even pointed out my golf ball in the rough after a shit shot. 
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: papa lazarou on January 14, 2018, 10:17:38 AM
At this level as pulp said....different class.
& help the aged
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: mr underhill on January 14, 2018, 11:26:12 AM
I'm not going to change my opinion of him as an individual but have been very impressed with him as a Villa player.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Brend'Watkins on January 14, 2018, 11:29:26 AM
Keep him if we go up and give him the day off in the Chelsea fixtures. I could cope with that.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 14, 2018, 11:36:28 AM
Keep him if we go up and give him the day off in the Chelsea fixtures. I could cope with that.

Yup.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Steve67 on January 14, 2018, 12:25:01 PM
Great though he's been so far for us, he is no longer up to prem standard. Would be great to have around the club at that level but at 37, it's a stretch to expect him to return to the Premiership and be able to excel.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: LeeB on January 14, 2018, 01:32:39 PM
Great though he's been so far for us, he is no longer up to prem standard. Would be great to have around the club at that level but at 37, it's a stretch to expect him to return to the Premiership and be able to excel.

McAuley at the Stripeys is 38, and half the player.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: clash city rocker on January 14, 2018, 02:09:49 PM
Terry has played under some of the best managers in Europe.  If he'he's not up to playing after this season I would love to keep him as a coach
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Hopadop on January 14, 2018, 02:15:53 PM
But plenty still wanted him on the bench in favour of Mad Tommy. I also note that the poll had an overwhelming majority against the signing. Just goes to show that fans don't always know what's best.

I'd assume plenty didn't want him for non-footballing reasons - me for example. I don't care how good he is.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: sickbeggar on January 14, 2018, 02:32:05 PM
Great though he's been so far for us, he is no longer up to prem standard. Would be great to have around the club at that level but at 37, it's a stretch to expect him to return to the Premiership and be able to excel.

I think it would be a brave man who considered him not good enough for us if we go up. He's never relied on pace, so it's a case of keeping him fit and nursing him through the season. 20-30 games from him next season could be the difference between staying up and getting relegated. Our side is clearly going to struggle with the quality of players we have, so unless Tony is planning to spend 60-100m on 5 or 6 players i think we're going to need all the experience and quality we can get.If he wants to retire then fair enough but i'm sure he could be persuaded to have one last crack at the premier.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Steve67 on January 14, 2018, 03:03:59 PM
Great though he's been so far for us, he is no longer up to prem standard. Would be great to have around the club at that level but at 37, it's a stretch to expect him to return to the Premiership and be able to excel.

McAuley at the Stripeys is 38, and half the player.


And that's why Albion are shit.  JT is a great player but having had a year away from the really fast pace of the Premiership I really don't think he could step back up to that level. I really, really hope to be proven wrong of course.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Ads on January 14, 2018, 03:05:14 PM
They're shit because they don't score enough goals.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: sickbeggar on January 14, 2018, 03:10:29 PM
 Is Terry good  enough to play regularly for a chelsea - well no, and they let him go. Is he good enough to make a difference to us fighting it out near the bottom? Yep
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: brontebilly on January 14, 2018, 04:27:35 PM
Great though he's been so far for us, he is no longer up to prem standard. Would be great to have around the club at that level but at 37, it's a stretch to expect him to return to the Premiership and be able to excel.

What is prem standard? There really isn't much difference between the bottom half of the top division and the top half of the second tier. Look at Newcastle, still playing pretty much the same players at last season. JT would walk into that Newcastle side and the rest of the clubs outside the top 6 or so.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chris Jameson on January 14, 2018, 05:28:03 PM
I’m still very firmly in the ‘can’t stand him and wish he’d never signed for Villa’ camp.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 14, 2018, 05:43:14 PM
Keep him if we go up and give him the day off in the Chelsea fixtures. I could cope with that.

Yeah surely if it's such an issue we can just say he has a slight injury before the Stamford Bridge game. Would it really be a thing for him not want to play against them at VP?

If say we'd got to the FA cup semi or final and Chelsea had been the opponents, would he have refused to play?

I can understand given his association with them it would be a really strange feeling and odd day but Lampard served Chelsea nearly as long and he played and scored against Chelsea for Man. city.

Still that's all in the future. If we do go up I think it's a must we keep him on for one more year.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 14, 2018, 05:45:50 PM
Great though he's been so far for us, he is no longer up to prem standard. Would be great to have around the club at that level but at 37, it's a stretch to expect him to return to the Premiership and be able to excel.

McAuley at the Stripeys is 38, and half the player.


And that's why Albion are shit.  JT is a great player but having had a year away from the really fast pace of the Premiership I really don't think he could step back up to that level. I really, really hope to be proven wrong of course.

Gareth Mcauley has hardly played this season. Johnny Evans and Hegazi have been the regular players for them at the back.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: exiled on the wirral! on January 14, 2018, 06:39:50 PM
I’m still very firmly in the ‘can’t stand him and wish he’d never signed for Villa’ camp.
k

Good for you..meanwhile I hope he plays every single game this season helping us to get back into the Premier League. Then i will give the 'holier than thou' view why he shouldn't play for us, about half a second thought and then realise we were actually lucky to have him.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: clash city rocker on January 14, 2018, 06:46:08 PM
He puts the likes of Richards and Gabby to shame.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 14, 2018, 06:53:14 PM
It’s hard to ignore he personal side of his past. I have no issue with anyone who feels they can’t get past that. But as a player I was happy to get him and since he’s proven in every way to be a tremendous signing.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: VinnieChase84 on January 14, 2018, 06:54:33 PM
He puts the likes of Richards and Gabby to shame.

Surely we could look at agreeing a mutual cancellation of Micah’s contract. Yes it will cost us but would be less than paying him every week for the next 18 months until he inevitably leaves!?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: boozey182 on January 14, 2018, 07:14:43 PM
I think we need to be careful not to overstate Terry's influence. We've just been without him for two months and it had literally zero impact on our results. We may have even done slightly better. There's a player next to him that has been solid for us for 18 months, and to my mind, more worthy of our admiration. I'm sure if he were to get injured we might realise how important he is to us.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chris Jameson on January 14, 2018, 07:21:43 PM
I’m still very firmly in the ‘can’t stand him and wish he’d never signed for Villa’ camp.
k

Good for you..meanwhile I hope he plays every single game this season helping us to get back into the Premier League. Then i will give the 'holier than thou' view why he shouldn't play for us, about half a second thought and then realise we were actually lucky to have him.

Good for you, not sure what you mean by “holier than thou”, being an atheist and all that. Always hated him, just because he plays for the football club I support doesn’t mean I’m going to change my opinion of him.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 14, 2018, 07:25:31 PM
He puts the likes of Richards and Gabby to shame.

Surely we could look at agreeing a mutual cancellation of Micah’s contract. Yes it will cost us but would be less than paying him every week for the next 18 months until he inevitably leaves!?
Unless he would take a discount on the remainder of his contract, the problem is amortisation and FFP though.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: exiled on the wirral! on January 14, 2018, 07:34:10 PM
I’m still very firmly in the ‘can’t stand him and wish he’d never signed for Villa’ camp.
k

Good for you..meanwhile I hope he plays every single game this season helping us to get back into the Premier League. Then i will give the 'holier than thou' view why he shouldn't play for us, about half a second thought and then realise we were actually lucky to have him.

Good for you, not sure what you mean by “holier than thou”, being an atheist and all that. Always hated him, just because he plays for the football club I support doesn’t mean I’m going to change my opinion of him.
Fair enough..lets cut are noses off despite our face then and play Micah Richards instead..im sure the end result will be the same.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chris Jameson on January 14, 2018, 07:39:32 PM
Neither of them have been involved for a number of weeks, haven’t done too badly without either of them.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: aj2k77 on January 14, 2018, 11:52:43 PM
Brilliant professional. One of my favorite players for a few years now.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: ozzjim on January 15, 2018, 12:13:23 AM
I loathe him, and have ranted about the man on here on many occasion. I am now in the uncomfortable place where I have to separate John Terry, the man outside of football, with John Terry, the utter consummate professional and all round top drawer footballer and captain this season for Aston Villa. There is no doubt he has proven himself as probably the best centre half (although Chester would run him close with the age issue) in the division. We also look calmer, work better and seem much more organised on the field with him out there. As such as long as he is acting like a decent human being off the pitch, and it appears he has sorted that side of himself out a while ago, I think if we go up getting him to give us another season is not just a want, it is a must. He would walk into any side outside the top 6, and on many weekends probably play for most of those sides too. He is certainly would do Arsenal some good for example. In fact outside of United, Chelsea, Spurs and Man City, there are few he would not get into. We are, from a footballing perspective, lucky to have him. And he has not treated us like a retirement home, and all credit to him for that.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 15, 2018, 12:37:50 AM
I'm delighted to see him finally being more vocal. It was the only part of his game I thought we've been missing. Saturday he bloody cared like he was playing for Chelsea.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: ozzjim on January 15, 2018, 12:41:08 AM
There was a point where he was stood behind Chester, clearly speaking to him about something or another while waiting for a set piece, and you could just see him calming the whole thing.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Ads on January 15, 2018, 08:50:13 AM
I always like the way he pops up to tell the referee what he should be doing.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on January 15, 2018, 08:53:11 AM
He puts the likes of Richards and Gabby to shame.

Surely we could look at agreeing a mutual cancellation of Micah’s contract. Yes it will cost us but would be less than paying him every week for the next 18 months until he inevitably leaves!?
I doubt it.  Why would he accept a penny less than the full amount of the remainder of his contract?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Tony Daleys Shorts on January 15, 2018, 10:47:11 AM
It might be sacrilege to say so but Paul McGrath gets the GOD moniker and behaved abysmally off the field at times, has Terry's behaviour been any worse?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: AsTallAsLions on January 15, 2018, 10:56:45 AM
It might be sacrilege to say so but Paul McGrath gets the GOD moniker and behaved abysmally off the field at times, has Terry's behaviour been any worse?
No
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: mattjpa on January 15, 2018, 11:26:34 AM
It might be sacrilege to say so but Paul McGrath gets the GOD moniker and behaved abysmally off the field at times, has Terry's behaviour been any worse?
No


People base their opinion on what they see fit, and if people chose to cast eternal damnation from their ivory towers they have every right to.

For me, he may have had a couple of twat moments from his formative years but you cant hang people for their mistakes forever. Since he has been here he has been absolutely exemplary, on and off the field (I dont think anyone could even challenge that). Follow him on social media and he comes across as a fantastic father, read reports from charity functions and nothing is too much trouble. He puts some of our recent stars to shame with his attitude and professionalism.
I would love it if we could get another season off him but if we dont, I hope his legacy is that youngsters like Grealish, Davis, Green are positively influenced by him being here.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: AsTallAsLions on January 15, 2018, 02:12:49 PM
It might be sacrilege to say so but Paul McGrath gets the GOD moniker and behaved abysmally off the field at times, has Terry's behaviour been any worse?
No


People base their opinion on what they see fit, and if people chose to cast eternal damnation from their ivory towers they have every right to.

For me, he may have had a couple of twat moments from his formative years but you cant hang people for their mistakes forever. Since he has been here he has been absolutely exemplary, on and off the field (I dont think anyone could even challenge that). Follow him on social media and he comes across as a fantastic father, read reports from charity functions and nothing is too much trouble. He puts some of our recent stars to shame with his attitude and professionalism.
I would love it if we could get another season off him but if we dont, I hope his legacy is that youngsters like Grealish, Davis, Green are positively influenced by him being here.

If everybody was judged on what we did in our early twenties we'd all be in trouble I'd wager.

Look, he did and said some heinous shit without a doubt, and if I'm honest I could never stand him, on the pitch or off it. However - the people he works with on a day-to-day basis, who know him far better than any of us, for the most part seem to like him, are happy to follow him, step up when he asks them to, and learn a lot under his leadership. I'm inclined to think he's the best thing to happen to Villa in a long time.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: WarszaVillan on January 15, 2018, 03:34:08 PM
Terry was thirty years old when he called the brother of his international centre-back partner a 'fucking black ******'. As Rio Ferdinand said: “For me the biggest idiot will always be John Terry. As England captain and my centre-back partner he could have saved everyone a lot of pain by admitting immediately he used the word in the heat of the moment, but was no racist. I think that’s probably what happened and what the truth is. Anton and I would’ve accepted that – instead he never gave us a chance. That was the betrayal. He tried to run away from what he had done.”
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: AsTallAsLions on January 15, 2018, 04:01:15 PM
Terry was thirty years old when he called the brother of his international centre-back partner a 'fucking black c***'. As Rio Ferdinand said: “For me the biggest idiot will always be John Terry. As England captain and my centre-back partner he could have saved everyone a lot of pain by admitting immediately he used the word in the heat of the moment, but was no racist. I think that’s probably what happened and what the truth is. Anton and I would’ve accepted that – instead he never gave us a chance. That was the betrayal. He tried to run away from what he had done.”

So you like him then
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: clash city rocker on January 15, 2018, 04:49:23 PM
I wonder what savage said that night that made Dion loose his cool.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: TheMalandro on January 15, 2018, 05:05:19 PM
I wonder what savage said that night that made Dion loose his cool.

It wasn't anything racist.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: LeeB on January 15, 2018, 05:24:17 PM
I wonder what savage said that night that made Dion loose his cool.

To be fair, he has the kind of face that means he’d provoke that kind of reaction just by coming into view.

Well for me, anyway.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Canadian Villa on January 15, 2018, 05:45:01 PM
He puts the likes of Richards and Gabby to shame.

Surely we could look at agreeing a mutual cancellation of Micah’s contract. Yes it will cost us but would be less than paying him every week for the next 18 months until he inevitably leaves!?
I doubt it.  Why would he accept a penny less than the full amount of the remainder of his contract?

He would only do it if he could make it up, or get more, by going to another club.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: cheltenhamlion on January 15, 2018, 06:34:43 PM
Could be worse. You could hate every fibre of his character and are still uncomfortable getting pleasure from his clearly excellent performances given those feelings. You could make it far worse by having a bet that you will wear a shirt with his name and number on the back of he plays 30 games and captains us to promotion though.....
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: TheMalandro on January 15, 2018, 06:36:28 PM
Could be worse. You could hate every fibre of his character and are still uncomfortable getting pleasure from his clearly excellent performances given those feelings. You could make it far worse by having a bet that you will wear a shirt with his name and number on the back of he plays 30 games and captains us to promotion though.....

Ha! Fingers crossed.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: cheltenhamlion on January 15, 2018, 06:40:48 PM
Could be worse. You could hate every fibre of his character and are still uncomfortable getting pleasure from his clearly excellent performances given those feelings. You could make it far worse by having a bet that you will wear a shirt with his name and number on the back of he plays 30 games and captains us to promotion though.....

Ha! Fingers crossed.

I reacted rather badly to the "JT is God" shit at the start of the season and people that should know better took advantage. Can you imagine me wearing that shirt for the day? Away at Millwall? Or to Wembley for a play off final? Fuck a duck.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chris Jameson on January 15, 2018, 06:52:23 PM
Think i'd sooner do that with a duck.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on January 15, 2018, 07:44:08 PM
So everyone is just going to ignore the fact that a court found him not guilty then? So its cool if we apply the same rules to Anton Ferdinand's court case for assault and call him out for being a violent criminal? That Rio is a homophobic bigot and rapist apologist? That Rio got for fined for his racist comments against Ashley Cole? That he is a drunk driver? Lets just pile on and go for it then if we are going to ignore what these three men claim they meant. I rather thought Villa fans were a bit more fair minded than that.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 15, 2018, 07:52:42 PM
Could be worse. You could hate every fibre of his character and are still uncomfortable getting pleasure from his clearly excellent performances given those feelings. You could make it far worse by having a bet that you will wear a shirt with his name and number on the back of he plays 30 games and captains us to promotion though.....

Hehe fair play if you do that.

Does PWS have any forfeits?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 15, 2018, 07:58:01 PM
So everyone is just going to ignore the fact that a court found him not guilty then? So its cool if we apply the same rules to Anton Ferdinand's court case for assault and call him out for being a violent criminal? That Rio is a homophobic bigot and rapist? Lets just pile on and go for it then if we are going to ignore what these three men claim they meant. I rather thought Villa fans were a bit more fair minded than that.

I’m not sure people have to be found guilty of a crime to be pretty unpleasant. So I can understand peoples issues with him. Me personally I’m just trying to separate footballing ability from previous behaviour, which I’ll admit isn’t something I’m entirely comfortable with.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on January 15, 2018, 08:05:13 PM
So everyone is just going to ignore the fact that a court found him not guilty then? So its cool if we apply the same rules to Anton Ferdinand's court case for assault and call him out for being a violent criminal? That Rio is a homophobic bigot and rapist? Lets just pile on and go for it then if we are going to ignore what these three men claim they meant. I rather thought Villa fans were a bit more fair minded than that.

I’m not sure people have to be found guilty of a crime to be pretty unpleasant. So I can understand peoples issues with him. Me personally I’m just trying to separate footballing ability from previous behaviour, which I’ll admit isn’t something I’m entirely comfortable with.

Oh I agree. I just find it very unpleasant to see Terry constantly pilloried for his actions and the Ferdinands just ignored. I mean, to repeat, Rio Ferdinand was found guilty of racism and fined by the same FA board that fined Terry. Again, Terry has apologized for using that language, something with Rio has never done, in fact he told the victim of his abuse to "stop getting ya knickers in a twist!".

It seems more than a little one sided.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 15, 2018, 08:11:52 PM
I can understand people not liking him and what he did was wrong. I'm a person of colour shall we say and I would rather judge someone by what they have learned versus the mistakes they have made. We've all been young, stupid at times and insensitive. I'm not endorsing John Terry as Man of The Year but constantly battering him makes no sense to me. I've suffered my fair share of racism living as an Indian kid in Birmingham, going to school in Erdington and Aston. I can tell when someone is stupid and ignorant and those who are truly malicious racists. I don't think Terry is the latter. And racism comes from all colours. It's never only a white on black/brown crime.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 15, 2018, 08:15:06 PM
So everyone is just going to ignore the fact that a court found him not guilty then? So its cool if we apply the same rules to Anton Ferdinand's court case for assault and call him out for being a violent criminal? That Rio is a homophobic bigot and rapist? Lets just pile on and go for it then if we are going to ignore what these three men claim they meant. I rather thought Villa fans were a bit more fair minded than that.

I’m not sure people have to be found guilty of a crime to be pretty unpleasant. So I can understand peoples issues with him. Me personally I’m just trying to separate footballing ability from previous behaviour, which I’ll admit isn’t something I’m entirely comfortable with.

Oh I agree. I just find it very unpleasant to see Terry constantly pilloried for his actions and the Ferdinands just ignored. I mean, to repeat, Rio Ferdinand was found guilty of racism and fined by the same FA board that fined Terry. Again, Terry has apologized for using that language, something with Rio has never done, in fact he told the victim of his abuse to "stop getting ya knickers in a twist!".

It seems more than a little one sided.

I don’t see the comparison though, who’s saying Rio Ferdinand is a great bloke?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 15, 2018, 08:20:40 PM
So everyone is just going to ignore the fact that a court found him not guilty then? So its cool if we apply the same rules to Anton Ferdinand's court case for assault and call him out for being a violent criminal? That Rio is a homophobic bigot and rapist? Lets just pile on and go for it then if we are going to ignore what these three men claim they meant. I rather thought Villa fans were a bit more fair minded than that.

I’m not sure people have to be found guilty of a crime to be pretty unpleasant. So I can understand peoples issues with him. Me personally I’m just trying to separate footballing ability from previous behaviour, which I’ll admit isn’t something I’m entirely comfortable with.

Oh I agree. I just find it very unpleasant to see Terry constantly pilloried for his actions and the Ferdinands just ignored. I mean, to repeat, Rio Ferdinand was found guilty of racism and fined by the same FA board that fined Terry. Again, Terry has apologized for using that language, something with Rio has never done, in fact he told the victim of his abuse to "stop getting ya knickers in a twist!".

It seems more than a little one sided.

I don’t see the comparison though, who’s saying Rio Ferdinand is a great bloke?

Also, one person of mixed heritage saying something about race to somebody of similar mixed heritage is a long way from a white man in the UK saying something like Terry said to Anton Ferdinand. Context is all and there are degrees of racism.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 15, 2018, 08:21:58 PM
So everyone is just going to ignore the fact that a court found him not guilty then? So its cool if we apply the same rules to Anton Ferdinand's court case for assault and call him out for being a violent criminal? That Rio is a homophobic bigot and rapist? Lets just pile on and go for it then if we are going to ignore what these three men claim they meant. I rather thought Villa fans were a bit more fair minded than that.

I’m not sure people have to be found guilty of a crime to be pretty unpleasant. So I can understand peoples issues with him. Me personally I’m just trying to separate footballing ability from previous behaviour, which I’ll admit isn’t something I’m entirely comfortable with.

Oh I agree. I just find it very unpleasant to see Terry constantly pilloried for his actions and the Ferdinands just ignored. I mean, to repeat, Rio Ferdinand was found guilty of racism and fined by the same FA board that fined Terry. Again, Terry has apologized for using that language, something with Rio has never done, in fact he told the victim of his abuse to "stop getting ya knickers in a twist!".

It seems more than a little one sided.

I don’t see the comparison though, who’s saying Rio Ferdinand is a great bloke?

Also, one person of mixed heritage saying something about race to somebody of similar mixed heritage is a long way from a white man in the UK saying something like Terry said to Anton Ferdinand. Context is all and there are degrees of racism.

Be on the end of racism if you want to truly understands its impact. There are no degrees where one version is less than the other. It's all racism. The only variances that exist is in those who realise their ignorance to correct their ways versus those who make it a part of who they are.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on January 15, 2018, 08:24:51 PM
So everyone is just going to ignore the fact that a court found him not guilty then? So its cool if we apply the same rules to Anton Ferdinand's court case for assault and call him out for being a violent criminal? That Rio is a homophobic bigot and rapist? Lets just pile on and go for it then if we are going to ignore what these three men claim they meant. I rather thought Villa fans were a bit more fair minded than that.

I’m not sure people have to be found guilty of a crime to be pretty unpleasant. So I can understand peoples issues with him. Me personally I’m just trying to separate footballing ability from previous behaviour, which I’ll admit isn’t something I’m entirely comfortable with.

Oh I agree. I just find it very unpleasant to see Terry constantly pilloried for his actions and the Ferdinands just ignored. I mean, to repeat, Rio Ferdinand was found guilty of racism and fined by the same FA board that fined Terry. Again, Terry has apologized for using that language, something with Rio has never done, in fact he told the victim of his abuse to "stop getting ya knickers in a twist!".

It seems more than a little one sided.

I don’t see the comparison though, who’s saying Rio Ferdinand is a great bloke?

Well as Rio was heavily involved I think its fair to call out that hypocrisy, as Toronto says, has John Terry changed? I think the answer is yes. Rio has not.

Anyway, I have had my little say. Like it matters :)
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 15, 2018, 08:26:13 PM
So everyone is just going to ignore the fact that a court found him not guilty then? So its cool if we apply the same rules to Anton Ferdinand's court case for assault and call him out for being a violent criminal? That Rio is a homophobic bigot and rapist? Lets just pile on and go for it then if we are going to ignore what these three men claim they meant. I rather thought Villa fans were a bit more fair minded than that.

I’m not sure people have to be found guilty of a crime to be pretty unpleasant. So I can understand peoples issues with him. Me personally I’m just trying to separate footballing ability from previous behaviour, which I’ll admit isn’t something I’m entirely comfortable with.

Oh I agree. I just find it very unpleasant to see Terry constantly pilloried for his actions and the Ferdinands just ignored. I mean, to repeat, Rio Ferdinand was found guilty of racism and fined by the same FA board that fined Terry. Again, Terry has apologized for using that language, something with Rio has never done, in fact he told the victim of his abuse to "stop getting ya knickers in a twist!".

It seems more than a little one sided.

I don’t see the comparison though, who’s saying Rio Ferdinand is a great bloke?

Also, one person of mixed heritage saying something about race to somebody of similar mixed heritage is a long way from a white man in the UK saying something like Terry said to Anton Ferdinand. Context is all and there are degrees of racism.

Be on the end of racism if you want to truly understands its impact. There are no degrees where one version is less than the other. It's all racism. The only variances that exist is in those who realise their ignorance to correct their ways versus those who make it a part of who they are.

I was going to say I’m not sure racism is on a sliding scale of tolerance.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 15, 2018, 08:39:01 PM
So everyone is just going to ignore the fact that a court found him not guilty then? So its cool if we apply the same rules to Anton Ferdinand's court case for assault and call him out for being a violent criminal? That Rio is a homophobic bigot and rapist? Lets just pile on and go for it then if we are going to ignore what these three men claim they meant. I rather thought Villa fans were a bit more fair minded than that.

I’m not sure people have to be found guilty of a crime to be pretty unpleasant. So I can understand peoples issues with him. Me personally I’m just trying to separate footballing ability from previous behaviour, which I’ll admit isn’t something I’m entirely comfortable with.

Oh I agree. I just find it very unpleasant to see Terry constantly pilloried for his actions and the Ferdinands just ignored. I mean, to repeat, Rio Ferdinand was found guilty of racism and fined by the same FA board that fined Terry. Again, Terry has apologized for using that language, something with Rio has never done, in fact he told the victim of his abuse to "stop getting ya knickers in a twist!".

It seems more than a little one sided.

I don’t see the comparison though, who’s saying Rio Ferdinand is a great bloke?

Also, one person of mixed heritage saying something about race to somebody of similar mixed heritage is a long way from a white man in the UK saying something like Terry said to Anton Ferdinand. Context is all and there are degrees of racism.

Be on the end of racism if you want to truly understands its impact. There are no degrees where one version is less than the other. It's all racism. The only variances that exist is in those who realise their ignorance to correct their ways versus those who make it a part of who they are.

I was going to say I’m not sure racism is on a sliding scale of tolerance.

If it isn't then wouldn't that make John Terry as bad as Eugène Terre'Blanche?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 15, 2018, 08:47:07 PM
Well no because that’s about the severity, frequency etc as opposed who the racism is perperated against.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 15, 2018, 08:49:02 PM
There’s obviously a difference between attempted murder and making a remark.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 15, 2018, 08:52:43 PM
Well no because that’s about the severity, frequency etc as opposed who the racism is perperated against.

But if you can invoke severity then surely that means there are degrees? If one instance of racism is more severe than another then what else can it mean? You may say that perhaps if violence is involved then that's more severe, which surely makes violent racism worse than non-violent racism? Is Tommy Robinson worse than someone's daft grandad? I think so.

I won't persist with this because I think we all agree that racism is awful ought not to exist.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 15, 2018, 08:55:54 PM
Many people can be ignorant and say things through a lack of learning or understanding. They might even say racist things through peer pressure, something they hear their uncle say for example when they were young. To me, and this is just my view true racists are those are conscious about their position and it comes across in many other ways than just words. If John Terry had a history of saying racist things and hadn’t changed then I’d say he’s a racist. But unless I’m mistaken there’s nothing to suggest. But it doesn’t change the fact what he did was unacceptable.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 15, 2018, 08:56:53 PM
Many people can be ignorant and say things through a lack of learning or understanding. They might even say racist things through peer pressure, something they hear their uncle say for example when they were young. To me, and this is just my view true racists are those are conscious about their position and it comes across in many other ways than just words. If John Terry had a history of saying racist things and hadn’t changed then I’d say he’s a racist. But unless I’m mistaken there’s nothing to suggest. But it doesn’t change the fact what he did was unacceptable.

I agree.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: brontebilly on January 15, 2018, 10:22:48 PM
It might be sacrilege to say so but Paul McGrath gets the GOD moniker and behaved abysmally off the field at times, has Terry's behaviour been any worse?

McGrath, Yorke, Bosnich.... not sure why society feels the need to hold footballers up as paragons of virtue and morals.

Considering the behaviour of Terry's parents over the years, it's no wonder the issues he has had off the pitch. He was way out of order with the Ferdinands and should have taken his punishment on the chin.

But on it he is still performing at a very high level at 37, clearly a consumate professional in terms of his preparation off the pitch. Compare him who has won it all to the numerous leeches like Richards, Gabby, Lescott, Ireland, Nzogbia etc. Think about the positive example he is setting to every pro at the club about what being a top pro is all about.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 15, 2018, 10:38:56 PM
I’m just trying to remember what “abysmal” behaviour McGrath did away from the pitch, can anyone fill me in?
I remember his drinking problem alright, but that was a personal thing and I don’t think he ever abused anyone other than himself. In fact I don’t think I’ve ever heard a bad word said about him.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: brentastonb6 on January 15, 2018, 10:55:24 PM
It might be sacrilege to say so but Paul McGrath gets the GOD moniker and behaved abysmally off the field at times, has Terry's behaviour been any worse?

McGrath, Yorke, Bosnich.... not sure why society feels the need to hold footballers up as paragons of virtue and morals.

Considering the behaviour of Terry's parents over the years, it's no wonder the issues he has had off the pitch. He was way out of order with the Ferdinands and should have taken his punishment on the chin.

But on it he is still performing at a very high level at 37, clearly a consumate professional in terms of his preparation off the pitch. Compare him who has won it all to the numerous leeches like Richards, Gabby, Lescott, Ireland, Nzogbia etc. Think about the positive example he is setting to every pro at the club about what being a top pro is all about.
What was Terry actually found guilty of in relation to the Ferdinand’s ?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: brontebilly on January 15, 2018, 11:31:54 PM
It might be sacrilege to say so but Paul McGrath gets the GOD moniker and behaved abysmally off the field at times, has Terry's behaviour been any worse?

McGrath, Yorke, Bosnich.... not sure why society feels the need to hold footballers up as paragons of virtue and morals.

Considering the behaviour of Terry's parents over the years, it's no wonder the issues he has had off the pitch. He was way out of order with the Ferdinands and should have taken his punishment on the chin.

But on it he is still performing at a very high level at 37, clearly a consumate professional in terms of his preparation off the pitch. Compare him who has won it all to the numerous leeches like Richards, Gabby, Lescott, Ireland, Nzogbia etc. Think about the positive example he is setting to every pro at the club about what being a top pro is all about.
What was Terry actually found guilty of in relation to the Ferdinand’s ?

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2012/sep/27/john-terry-verdict-chelsea-guilty . His successful defence in the court case was piss weak really.

Terry should have insisted Rio Ferdinand was picked in the England squad after it. Either none of them should have been picked or both. FA and Hodgson exposed as gutless by bringing was it Martin Kelly instead of Ferdinand to the Euros for "footballing reasons". That was really poor, given Terry's profile he shouldn't have stayed silent on it. He was far from silent in trying to get his mate Joe Cole picked in the predecessing WC team.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on January 15, 2018, 11:32:47 PM
I’m just trying to remember what “abysmal” behaviour McGrath did away from the pitch, can anyone fill me in?
I remember his drinking problem alright, but that was a personal thing and I don’t think he ever abused anyone other than himself. In fact I don’t think I’ve ever heard a bad word said about him.

https://www.independent.ie/regionals/newrossstandard/news/ooh-aah-court-for-paul-mcgrath-27500701.html

Assault & drunk driving, do impact other people. Pretty abysmal behaviour to be honest. Look he is still one of my fave players ever, but yeah, a flawed flawed man.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: brontebilly on January 16, 2018, 01:12:17 PM
I’m just trying to remember what “abysmal” behaviour McGrath did away from the pitch, can anyone fill me in?
I remember his drinking problem alright, but that was a personal thing and I don’t think he ever abused anyone other than himself. In fact I don’t think I’ve ever heard a bad word said about him.

https://www.independent.ie/regionals/newrossstandard/news/ooh-aah-court-for-paul-mcgrath-27500701.html

Assault & drunk driving, do impact other people. Pretty abysmal behaviour to be honest. Look he is still one of my fave players ever, but yeah, a flawed flawed man.

I live down that way and it's only the tip of the iceberg really. Gets away with a hell of a lot given his hero status in Ireland.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Hookeysmith on January 16, 2018, 01:17:16 PM
I think by his own admission he had treated his ex wife both physically and emotionally in a terrible way also.

Like a lot of geniuses he was flawed. I have always thought that footballers are only role models to other footballers who are coming through the ranks based on their ability within the game, not because they have a good moral compass
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: clash city rocker on January 16, 2018, 03:47:18 PM
All i'm concerned about regarding John Terry is that he doesn't get injured between now and the end of the season. As the weeks progress the pressure is going to increase and we desperately need his experience and influence at the back.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: brian green on January 16, 2018, 03:51:19 PM
A few goals would be neat.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Drummond on January 16, 2018, 04:05:37 PM
A few goals would be neat.

A header at 22-1 would have been nice on Saturday. Alas he couldn't quite manage one!
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: stuart445 on January 18, 2018, 09:47:53 AM
So everyone is just going to ignore the fact that a court found him not guilty then? So its cool if we apply the same rules to Anton Ferdinand's court case for assault and call him out for being a violent criminal? That Rio is a homophobic bigot and rapist? Lets just pile on and go for it then if we are going to ignore what these three men claim they meant. I rather thought Villa fans were a bit more fair minded than that.

I’m not sure people have to be found guilty of a crime to be pretty unpleasant. So I can understand peoples issues with him. Me personally I’m just trying to separate footballing ability from previous behaviour, which I’ll admit isn’t something I’m entirely comfortable with.

Oh I agree. I just find it very unpleasant to see Terry constantly pilloried for his actions and the Ferdinands just ignored. I mean, to repeat, Rio Ferdinand was found guilty of racism and fined by the same FA board that fined Terry. Again, Terry has apologized for using that language, something with Rio has never done, in fact he told the victim of his abuse to "stop getting ya knickers in a twist!".

It seems more than a little one sided.

I don’t see the comparison though, who’s saying Rio Ferdinand is a great bloke?

Also, one person of mixed heritage saying something about race to somebody of similar mixed heritage is a long way from a white man in the UK saying something like Terry said to Anton Ferdinand. Context is all and there are degrees of racism.

Sorry I have to disagree with you about that for me it's very cut and dry it's either racist or it's not there isn't different levels
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: stuart445 on January 18, 2018, 09:54:27 AM
So everyone is just going to ignore the fact that a court found him not guilty then? So its cool if we apply the same rules to Anton Ferdinand's court case for assault and call him out for being a violent criminal? That Rio is a homophobic bigot and rapist? Lets just pile on and go for it then if we are going to ignore what these three men claim they meant. I rather thought Villa fans were a bit more fair minded than that.

I’m not sure people have to be found guilty of a crime to be pretty unpleasant. So I can understand peoples issues with him. Me personally I’m just trying to separate footballing ability from previous behaviour, which I’ll admit isn’t something I’m entirely comfortable with.

Oh I agree. I just find it very unpleasant to see Terry constantly pilloried for his actions and the Ferdinands just ignored. I mean, to repeat, Rio Ferdinand was found guilty of racism and fined by the same FA board that fined Terry. Again, Terry has apologized for using that language, something with Rio has never done, in fact he told the victim of his abuse to "stop getting ya knickers in a twist!".

It seems more than a little one sided.

I don’t see the comparison though, who’s saying Rio Ferdinand is a great bloke?

Well as Rio was heavily involved I think its fair to call out that hypocrisy, as Toronto says, has John Terry changed? I think the answer is yes. Rio has not.

Anyway, I have had my little say. Like it matters :)

If you think John Terry shouldn't be constantly reminded about what he did why don't you go into work and say exactly what he said and see what happens.

I'll bet that you won't be getting a several new contracts with increased pay.

Oh and good luck finding a new job after because with that on your record it'll be near impossible to get another job for a very long time and once you do I doubt it'll be a job that is very much more than minimum wage.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 18, 2018, 09:57:32 AM
So everyone is just going to ignore the fact that a court found him not guilty then? So its cool if we apply the same rules to Anton Ferdinand's court case for assault and call him out for being a violent criminal? That Rio is a homophobic bigot and rapist? Lets just pile on and go for it then if we are going to ignore what these three men claim they meant. I rather thought Villa fans were a bit more fair minded than that.

I’m not sure people have to be found guilty of a crime to be pretty unpleasant. So I can understand peoples issues with him. Me personally I’m just trying to separate footballing ability from previous behaviour, which I’ll admit isn’t something I’m entirely comfortable with.

Oh I agree. I just find it very unpleasant to see Terry constantly pilloried for his actions and the Ferdinands just ignored. I mean, to repeat, Rio Ferdinand was found guilty of racism and fined by the same FA board that fined Terry. Again, Terry has apologized for using that language, something with Rio has never done, in fact he told the victim of his abuse to "stop getting ya knickers in a twist!".

It seems more than a little one sided.

I don’t see the comparison though, who’s saying Rio Ferdinand is a great bloke?

Also, one person of mixed heritage saying something about race to somebody of similar mixed heritage is a long way from a white man in the UK saying something like Terry said to Anton Ferdinand. Context is all and there are degrees of racism.

Sorry I have to disagree with you about that for me it's very cut and dry it's either racist or it's not there isn't different levels

Thanks for clearing that up for me.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on January 18, 2018, 10:04:01 AM
Funny (ironic?) that we have a Cyrille Regis thread next to a John Terry thread on here. Both great players but only one will be remembered for his decency and humility.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: olaftab on January 18, 2018, 10:04:57 AM
If you think John Terry shouldn't be constantly reminded about what he did why don't you go into work and say exactly what he said and see what happens.

I'll bet that you won't be getting a several new contracts with increased pay.

Oh and good luck finding a new job after because with that on your record it'll be near impossible to get another job for a very long time and once you do I doubt it'll be a job that is very much more than minimum wage.
This.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: mattjpa on January 18, 2018, 01:14:39 PM
So everyone is just going to ignore the fact that a court found him not guilty then? So its cool if we apply the same rules to Anton Ferdinand's court case for assault and call him out for being a violent criminal? That Rio is a homophobic bigot and rapist? Lets just pile on and go for it then if we are going to ignore what these three men claim they meant. I rather thought Villa fans were a bit more fair minded than that.

I’m not sure people have to be found guilty of a crime to be pretty unpleasant. So I can understand peoples issues with him. Me personally I’m just trying to separate footballing ability from previous behaviour, which I’ll admit isn’t something I’m entirely comfortable with.

Oh I agree. I just find it very unpleasant to see Terry constantly pilloried for his actions and the Ferdinands just ignored. I mean, to repeat, Rio Ferdinand was found guilty of racism and fined by the same FA board that fined Terry. Again, Terry has apologized for using that language, something with Rio has never done, in fact he told the victim of his abuse to "stop getting ya knickers in a twist!".

It seems more than a little one sided.

I don’t see the comparison though, who’s saying Rio Ferdinand is a great bloke?

Well as Rio was heavily involved I think its fair to call out that hypocrisy, as Toronto says, has John Terry changed? I think the answer is yes. Rio has not.

Anyway, I have had my little say. Like it matters :)

If you think John Terry shouldn't be constantly reminded about what he did why don't you go into work and say exactly what he said and see what happens.

I'll bet that you won't be getting a several new contracts with increased pay.

Oh and good luck finding a new job after because with that on your record it'll be near impossible to get another job for a very long time and once you do I doubt it'll be a job that is very much more than minimum wage.

And yet...I have friends convicted of drug dealing, assault, friends convicted of drink driving, DUI drugs etc in their younger days, all of whom are now straight down the line guys who are home owners with families and fantastic jobs and way above average salaries. None of them are "constantly reminded" of their previous mistakes and none of their crimes are significantly better or worse than JT's (alleged) misdemeanors. Its a good job the rest of society isn't as condemning as the true and righteous patrons of H&V, there would be hundreds of us mounted on spikes on the city walls...
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: ktvillan on January 18, 2018, 05:29:34 PM
I think we'd all agree Terry has done some very unpalateable things but for me everyone should entitled to a fair hearing, remain innocent util proven guilty, and if proven guilty be allowed to pay their dues and move on.  It seems to me that these days the "ultra PC" attitude amongst some people brooks no forgiveness, redemption or second chances.  Once your card is marked with racism, sexism, homophobia etc, even an isolated incident out of character means that's it, you're condemned for life.  For people who are supposed to be tolerant liberals they come across as incredibly  intolerant themselves. 
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: oldhill_avfc on January 18, 2018, 05:55:44 PM
If you think John Terry shouldn't be constantly reminded about what he did why don't you go into work and say exactly what he said and see what happens.

I'll bet that you won't be getting a several new contracts with increased pay.

Oh and good luck finding a new job after because with that on your record it'll be near impossible to get another job for a very long time and once you do I doubt it'll be a job that is very much more than minimum wage.
This.

If you constantly remind (even convicted) offenders of what they did or publicise details of their previous offences you're in danger of falling foul of the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act with legal consequences against you.

The may be many who support your sentiment, but the law is against you in pretty much every regard.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 18, 2018, 06:57:50 PM
If you think John Terry shouldn't be constantly reminded about what he did why don't you go into work and say exactly what he said and see what happens.

I'll bet that you won't be getting a several new contracts with increased pay.

Oh and good luck finding a new job after because with that on your record it'll be near impossible to get another job for a very long time and once you do I doubt it'll be a job that is very much more than minimum wage.
This.

If you constantly remind (even convicted) offenders of what they did or publicise details of their previous offences you're in danger of falling foul of the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act with legal consequences against you.

The may be many who support your sentiment, but the law is against you in pretty much every regard.

Agreed. It’s tiresome reading the same old Terry shit on here. All I know is that he’s been superb for us this season and hasn’t put a foot wrong either on or off the pitch. Why people constantly want to bring up the past is beyond me. Live and let live and all that.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 18, 2018, 07:08:08 PM
If you think John Terry shouldn't be constantly reminded about what he did why don't you go into work and say exactly what he said and see what happens.

I'll bet that you won't be getting a several new contracts with increased pay.

Oh and good luck finding a new job after because with that on your record it'll be near impossible to get another job for a very long time and once you do I doubt it'll be a job that is very much more than minimum wage.
This.

If you constantly remind (even convicted) offenders of what they did or publicise details of their previous offences you're in danger of falling foul of the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act with legal consequences against you.

The may be many who support your sentiment, but the law is against you in pretty much every regard.

Agreed. It’s tiresome reading the same old Terry shit on here. All I know is that he’s been superb for us this season and hasn’t put a foot wrong either on or off the pitch. Why people constantly want to bring up the past is beyond me. Live and let live and all that.

I agree. I stated my case earlier also as someone of colour who has faced a lot of racism in my time. I can tell the difference based from what I have read about him. I think he was stupid and ignorant for what he said, and one can only hope that's all it was versus something deeper. But there has been nothing to suggest at least from what we know that he is like that as a person.

Either way, going on and on about it is pointless in my opinion. I'm going to separate what he did, what I can tell he did to repair the damage and certainly what he's done since as my markers for how I view him now. And like you're suggesting he's not put a foot wrong since arriving. In fact he's demonstrated a level of commitment, conduct and professionalism every player at the club should aspire to.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: paul_e on January 18, 2018, 09:41:41 PM
The ferdinand thing was never my biggest problem with Terry, him taking Milner out with a genuinely disgusting challenge is a much bigger black mark for me.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Hopadop on January 18, 2018, 10:12:38 PM
It's worth having a read of the Judgment acquitting him - Here (https://www.judiciary.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/JCO/Documents/Judgments/r-v-john-terry.pdf)

In short he accepted saying "fucking black ******", but only because he thought that was what he was being accused of saying and was repeating it back as a question. I think he was fortunate to be acquitted but he quite rightly got the benefit of the judge having found a doubt

It's also worth noting that there was unopposed evidence that he's not *actually* a racist, despite the allegation being he had committed a racially aggravated offence. It's a bit confusing, but you can be guilty of such an offence if it's motivated by racism (ie you're a proper, full-blown racist) or at the time of the offence you demonstrate hostility based on race, as alleged in his case.

I couldn't really see the fuss about him shagging Wayne Bridge's ex. I'm sure there's much worse going all the time.

But I can't stand him. I'm not holier than thou, and I'm not unforgiving. Football's about heroes and villains and he's always been the latter. The time he almost snapped Milner's standing leg in two, then rather than check on his England colleague pretended to be injured and bleated like a calf. We're a broad church and a lot seem happy that he's played well and not put much of a foot wrong. That's fair enough, but for me he can't fuck off out of my club quick enough.



Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 18, 2018, 10:17:23 PM
And this is it. I accept anyone who is willing to take high position on Terry. But then shouldn’t you also do the same for a legend like Paul McGrath who in 2010 was charged for drink driving, not only putting his life at risk but that innocent pedestrians and motorists. If we are going to hold footballers to high standards or anyone for that matter do we also not have a responsibility to be consistent in our condemnation? Or is McGrath being Villa and Terry not the dividing line?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on January 18, 2018, 10:19:06 PM
I agree. I stated my case earlier also as someone of colour who has faced a lot of racism in my time. I can tell the difference based from what I have read about him. I think he was stupid and ignorant for what he said, and one can only hope that's all it was versus something deeper. But there has been nothing to suggest at least from what we know that he is like that as a person.

Either way, going on and on about it is pointless in my opinion. I'm going to separate what he did, what I can tell he did to repair the damage and certainly what he's done since as my markers for how I view him now. And like you're suggesting he's not put a foot wrong since arriving. In fact he's demonstrated a level of commitment, conduct and professionalism every player at the club should aspire to.

As an aside you are a good man TV. I don't have the morale strength to take the high ground in such matters as you have done. When I am on the receiving end of something I never take the time to look at it cooly or with the level of intelligence you do. Probably something I should work on. Anyway thanks for making me think of ways to better myself.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chris Jameson on January 18, 2018, 10:28:14 PM


But I can't stand him. I'm not holier than thou, and I'm not unforgiving. Football's about heroes and villains and he's always been the latter. The time he almost snapped Milner's standing leg in two, then rather than check on his England colleague pretended to be injured and bleated like a calf. We're a broad church and a lot seem happy that he's played well and not put much of a foot wrong. That's fair enough, but for me he can't fuck off out of my club quick enough.





Sums it up nicely for me. If he was at any club other than Villa I reckon 99% in this thread would feel the same way about him.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: stuart445 on January 18, 2018, 10:41:49 PM
If you think John Terry shouldn't be constantly reminded about what he did why don't you go into work and say exactly what he said and see what happens.

I'll bet that you won't be getting a several new contracts with increased pay.

Oh and good luck finding a new job after because with that on your record it'll be near impossible to get another job for a very long time and once you do I doubt it'll be a job that is very much more than minimum wage.
This.

If you constantly remind (even convicted) offenders of what they did or publicise details of their previous offences you're in danger of falling foul of the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act with legal consequences against you.

The may be many who support your sentiment, but the law is against you in pretty much every regard.

Tell that to my former colleague who was sacked for the same thing as what Terry did and has found it impossible to find a new job.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Hopadop on January 18, 2018, 10:47:57 PM
And this is it. I accept anyone who is willing to take high position on Terry. But then shouldn’t you also do the same for a legend like Paul McGrath who in 2010 was charged for drink driving, not only putting his life at risk but that innocent pedestrians and motorists. If we are going to hold footballers to high standards or anyone for that matter do we also not have a responsibility to be consistent in our condemnation? Or is McGrath being Villa and Terry not the dividing line?

I honestly don't know, maybe. But despite his demons I think Paul McGrath is a decent man. I don't think that's particularly partisan - don't most people outside of Villa have some affection and respect for him? I can wish him well despite his flaws and hope he overcomes them, without harming himself or worse still others in the process.

But John Terry I have a problem with. It's not anything to lose sleep over and I'm sure he'll get over it. It might even be stupid and irrational if he improves the club I'm supposed to support. But unlike real life I don't have to be rational about football and I really can't stand him. Never have, never will.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 18, 2018, 11:27:42 PM
And this is it. I accept anyone who is willing to take high position on Terry. But then shouldn’t you also do the same for a legend like Paul McGrath who in 2010 was charged for drink driving, not only putting his life at risk but that innocent pedestrians and motorists. If we are going to hold footballers to high standards or anyone for that matter do we also not have a responsibility to be consistent in our condemnation? Or is McGrath being Villa and Terry not the dividing line?

I honestly don't know, maybe. But despite his demons I think Paul McGrath is a decent man. I don't think that's particularly partisan - don't most people outside of Villa have some affection and respect for him? I can wish him well despite his flaws and hope he overcomes them, without harming himself or worse still others in the process.

But John Terry I have a problem with. It's not anything to lose sleep over and I'm sure he'll get over it. It might even be stupid and irrational if he improves the club I'm supposed to support. But unlike real life I don't have to be rational about football and I really can't stand him. Never have, never will.

I'm like this. Drink driving is reprehensible and dangerous and irresponsible, but the guy's an alcoholic and alcohol impairs people's judgement.

Racism is indicative of foul, inhumane character, with implications about the beholder's wider view of the world we share.

That said, if Rio Ferdinand reckons he's more coward than racist then I can live with that. We're all capable of cowardice to varying degrees (as we are of racism). Better a coward than a racist though.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Canadian Villa on January 18, 2018, 11:41:15 PM
I saw a clip on YouTube about Stan Collymore always being labelled with the wife beater tag and people treating him differently to Paul Gascoigne and Joey Barton. It is true though, we forgive McGrath and Gazza and move on but not so much Collymore or Barton. All 4 have had some serious indiscretions. It is interesting why we do that.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 19, 2018, 01:19:57 AM
I agree. I stated my case earlier also as someone of colour who has faced a lot of racism in my time. I can tell the difference based from what I have read about him. I think he was stupid and ignorant for what he said, and one can only hope that's all it was versus something deeper. But there has been nothing to suggest at least from what we know that he is like that as a person.

Either way, going on and on about it is pointless in my opinion. I'm going to separate what he did, what I can tell he did to repair the damage and certainly what he's done since as my markers for how I view him now. And like you're suggesting he's not put a foot wrong since arriving. In fact he's demonstrated a level of commitment, conduct and professionalism every player at the club should aspire to.

As an aside you are a good man TV. I don't have the morale strength to take the high ground in such matters as you have done. When I am on the receiving end of something I never take the time to look at it cooly or with the level of intelligence you do. Probably something I should work on. Anyway thanks for making me think of ways to better myself.


Thanks I appreciate that. Growing up an Indian kid in the 1970’s and 80’s in Erdington and Aston certainly had its moments. Especially on walks home in the dark of winter. And my old man worked at British Steel for the best part of 30 years. I can only imagine what he had to endure. It’s never a pleasant subject and I can only speak for myself in how I handled it and now view the subject. But it’s provided me a decent perspective as to what actually constitutes versus ignorance. And we’ve all probably been ignorant on any number of topics as we grew up at some time or another. The question is always did we learn and mature?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: aev on January 19, 2018, 07:20:29 AM
If you think John Terry shouldn't be constantly reminded about what he did why don't you go into work and say exactly what he said and see what happens.

I'll bet that you won't be getting a several new contracts with increased pay.

Oh and good luck finding a new job after because with that on your record it'll be near impossible to get another job for a very long time and once you do I doubt it'll be a job that is very much more than minimum wage.
This.

If you constantly remind (even convicted) offenders of what they did or publicise details of their previous offences you're in danger of falling foul of the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act with legal consequences against you.

The may be many who support your sentiment, but the law is against you in pretty much every regard.

He was sacked for shagging a colleague’s ex?

Tell that to my former colleague who was sacked for the same thing as what Terry did and has found it impossible to find a new job.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: tomd2103 on January 19, 2018, 08:17:30 AM
And this is it. I accept anyone who is willing to take high position on Terry. But then shouldn’t you also do the same for a legend like Paul McGrath who in 2010 was charged for drink driving, not only putting his life at risk but that innocent pedestrians and motorists. If we are going to hold footballers to high standards or anyone for that matter do we also not have a responsibility to be consistent in our condemnation? Or is McGrath being Villa and Terry not the dividing line?

I honestly don't know, maybe. But despite his demons I think Paul McGrath is a decent man. I don't think that's particularly partisan - don't most people outside of Villa have some affection and respect for him? I can wish him well despite his flaws and hope he overcomes them, without harming himself or worse still others in the process.

But John Terry I have a problem with. It's not anything to lose sleep over and I'm sure he'll get over it. It might even be stupid and irrational if he improves the club I'm supposed to support. But unlike real life I don't have to be rational about football and I really can't stand him. Never have, never will.

Which is fair enough.  I think it is perfectly rational to dislike someone for the kind of reasons you have given, but still be able to acknowledge that they are very good at what they do.  I still have a certain unease about him being at the club for a number of reasons, but accept that he is still a very good footballer and has done well for us when he has played this season. 
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: stuart445 on January 19, 2018, 09:36:28 AM
If you think John Terry shouldn't be constantly reminded about what he did why don't you go into work and say exactly what he said and see what happens.

I'll bet that you won't be getting a several new contracts with increased pay.

Oh and good luck finding a new job after because with that on your record it'll be near impossible to get another job for a very long time and once you do I doubt it'll be a job that is very much more than minimum wage.
This.

If you constantly remind (even convicted) offenders of what they did or publicise details of their previous offences you're in danger of falling foul of the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act with legal consequences against you.

The may be many who support your sentiment, but the law is against you in pretty much every regard.

He was sacked for shagging a colleague’s ex?

Tell that to my former colleague who was sacked for the same thing as what Terry did and has found it impossible to find a new job.

No he was sacked for using racist language. Hence why I said say.

Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chris Smith on January 19, 2018, 09:56:09 AM
Both on and off the pitch he has hardly put a foot wrong since he joined us. I would like to think that is as a sign of maturity and learning from his mistakes. Which is all we can realistically expect from anyone. To err Is human; to forgive divine.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Brend'Watkins on January 19, 2018, 11:18:26 AM
Both on and off the pitch he has hardly put a foot wrong since he joined us. I would like to think that is as a sign of maturity and learning from his mistakes. Which is all we can realistically expect from anyone. To err Is human; to forgive divine.

Absolutely. He's been the consummate professional since he's been here and has had a very positive effect on the squad and the club.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Bad English on January 19, 2018, 01:37:25 PM

Thanks I appreciate that. Growing up an Indian kid in the 1970’s and 80’s in Erdington and Aston certainly had its moments. Especially on walks home in the dark of winter. And my old man worked at British Steel for the best part of 30 years. I can only imagine what he had to endure. It’s never a pleasant subject and I can only speak for myself in how I handled it and now view the subject. But it’s provided me a decent perspective as to what actually constitutes versus ignorance. And we’ve all probably been ignorant on any number of topics as we grew up at some time or another. The question is always did we learn and mature?

I thought it was "How big is his danda?"

(See 'Stuff on TV thread')
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: clash city rocker on January 19, 2018, 03:51:32 PM
At least he hasn't stolen a living from the club unlike some signings.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: in exile on January 22, 2018, 11:55:45 AM
At least he hasn't stolen a living from the club unlike some signings.

I wonder who you mean?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: cheltenhamlion on January 22, 2018, 05:54:02 PM
As I am too lazy to look it up, and we are looking worryingly threatening at the top end of the table, how many league games has he played now?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 31, 2018, 12:52:18 PM
I’ll say this for him. For someone who has won pretty much everything in the game he sure appears to be loving his time with us. And the other players seem to enjoy him being there.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Hookeysmith on January 31, 2018, 01:14:46 PM
Always a pantomime villain at Chelsea and that biased my opinion of him as a footballer. As a footballer he has been superb for us - he makes the difficult look simple and if you watch carefully he has passed on some of his traits to Chester who just gets better and better.

Hardly done any press work and just lets his game do the talking - very professional and very dignified.
If we go up he has been a huge part of the reason
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Dave P on January 31, 2018, 01:23:27 PM
As I am too lazy to look it up, and we are looking worryingly threatening at the top end of the table, how many league games has he played now?

We've played 29 and I'm sure he missed the 10 between QPR (a) and Bristol City (h) so I make that 19.  Or 18 and a half if you want to include him going off v Sheff Wed.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: mr underhill on January 31, 2018, 01:40:12 PM
does he train at BH or stay closer to home?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: paul_e on January 31, 2018, 02:25:57 PM
As I am too lazy to look it up, and we are looking worryingly threatening at the top end of the table, how many league games has he played now?

We've played 29 and I'm sure he missed the 10 between QPR (a) and Bristol City (h) so I make that 19.  Or 18 and a half if you want to include him going off v Sheff Wed.

Correct. so about 2/3rds so far.  I think I predicted 25-30 games at the start of the season and I was worried that the disruption of him missing games would cause us problems but I expected it to be 1-2 at a time not a run of 10.  Fingers crossed he doesn't pick up another big injury.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: olaftab on February 01, 2018, 10:07:29 PM
I didn't want him here and still not sure that we should have associated ourselves with this man however I have nothing but respect for the way he has tucked in and is doing a thoroughly professional job. Hang your heads in shame Richards and Lescott.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Ad@m on February 05, 2018, 12:24:30 PM
I haven't seen anyone else mention it so I will - what the fuck was he doing for their second goal yesterday?  He seemed to go for it and then pull out as if he got a call from Johnstone, which he clearly didn't.

Luckily it wasn't important but it seemed a very uncharacteristic balls up from him.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Brassneck on February 05, 2018, 12:26:49 PM
I haven't seen anyone else mention it so I will - what the fuck was he doing for their second goal yesterday?  He seemed to go for it and then pull out as if he got a call from Johnstone, which he clearly didn't.

Luckily it wasn't important but it seemed a very uncharacteristic balls up from him.

I also wonder whether he could have done better for the first. At the time, I thought that he may have been impeded but looking back at the highlights, I think that may have been harsh on their player who attacked the ball.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Risso on February 05, 2018, 12:52:22 PM
I haven't seen anyone else mention it so I will - what the fuck was he doing for their second goal yesterday?  He seemed to go for it and then pull out as if he got a call from Johnstone, which he clearly didn't.

Luckily it wasn't important but it seemed a very uncharacteristic balls up from him.

A few people have mentioned it and some have even tried to blame Hutton, but the simple fact appeared to be that Terry switched off.  I've no doubt that it was a momentary lapse though, and I'd be surprised if he repeated such a mistake.  He's been colossal for us.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Hookeysmith on February 05, 2018, 01:11:20 PM
I genuinely saw it as he thought the guy was way offside yet Hutton was stood level with the scorer and played him on by a mile
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: wittonwarrior on February 05, 2018, 01:23:08 PM
I haven't seen anyone else mention it so I will - what the fuck was he doing for their second goal yesterday?  He seemed to go for it and then pull out as if he got a call from Johnstone, which he clearly didn't.

Luckily it wasn't important but it seemed a very uncharacteristic balls up from him.

A few people have mentioned it and some have even tried to blame Hutton, but the simple fact appeared to be that Terry switched off.  I've no doubt that it was a momentary lapse though, and I'd be surprised if he repeated such a mistake.  He's been colossal for us.

Spot on with each remark
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on February 05, 2018, 01:45:16 PM
I’ll say this for him. For someone who has won pretty much everything in the game he sure appears to be loving his time with us.

As a defender he's always gone out and done a job since he's been here. What I like now, since he came back from injury is his leadership, he's still putting in the performances but now you can really see how much he cares. He is indeed loving it. Just see him at full time at Sheffield United as an example. We have a few leaders in the team but more importantly, we have what Mourinho at Chelsea called 'a collective' (mentality). It's something we've been missing for far too long.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: cheltenhamlion on February 05, 2018, 06:49:57 PM
As I am too lazy to look it up, and we are looking worryingly threatening at the top end of the table, how many league games has he played now?

We've played 29 and I'm sure he missed the 10 between QPR (a) and Bristol City (h) so I make that 19.  Or 18 and a half if you want to include him going off v Sheff Wed.

They will quote it as 19. So we need to get promoted against Derby, with him having played no more than 28 games beforehand, to avoid my forfeit.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Olof's Beard on February 05, 2018, 08:18:57 PM
I’ll say this for him. For someone who has won pretty much everything in the game he sure appears to be loving his time with us.

As a defender he's always gone out and done a job since he's been here. What I like now, since he came back from injury is his leadership, he's still putting in the performances but now you can really see how much he cares. He is indeed loving it. Just see him at full time at Sheffield United as an example. We have a few leaders in the team but more importantly, we have what Mourinho at Chelsea called 'a collective' (mentality). It's something we've been missing for far too long.

Completely agree. We might not put in a perfect performance every week but the players clearly have a lot of belief in one another and are working as a unit. It's always a good sign when they so obviously take delight in each others' achievements. There doesn't seem to be any Billy Big Bollocks amongst them, and it's testament to Terry that he's behaving like another member of the team. We're reaping the rewards of bringing in players like him and Snodgrass now. Their mentality is just as important as their ability on the pitch.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on February 05, 2018, 11:29:34 PM
I’ll say this for him. For someone who has won pretty much everything in the game he sure appears to be loving his time with us.

As a defender he's always gone out and done a job since he's been here. What I like now, since he came back from injury is his leadership, he's still putting in the performances but now you can really see how much he cares. He is indeed loving it. Just see him at full time at Sheffield United as an example. We have a few leaders in the team but more importantly, we have what Mourinho at Chelsea called 'a collective' (mentality). It's something we've been missing for far too long.

Completely agree. We might not put in a perfect performance every week but the players clearly have a lot of belief in one another and are working as a unit. It's always a good sign when they so obviously take delight in each others' achievements. There doesn't seem to be any Billy Big Bollocks amongst them, and it's testament to Terry that he's behaving like another member of the team. We're reaping the rewards of bringing in players like him and Snodgrass now. Their mentality is just as important as their ability on the pitch.

Erm..completely agree. I said a few months back Snodgrass was the catalyst to our season, he wasn't here to just pick up his wages and it's rubbed off on the rest of the team that were half asleep, expecting just the name of Aston Villa to take us to automatic promotion. When you think that Burton's squad cost £880,000 and ours closer to £83m, you can almost understand but the one thing Bruce got right about this divisions is they're all tough games. You need to match the opposition for effort and that we generally manage to do.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 10, 2018, 06:27:12 PM
Well John. If tomorrow is a full house it will be the biggest home crowd you will ever have played in front of in a league game. And it will be in the Championship. Welcome to a big club.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Nii Lamptey on February 10, 2018, 07:10:43 PM
Well John. If tomorrow is a full house it will be the biggest home crowd you will ever have played in front of in a league game. And it will be in the Championship. Welcome to a big club.

Love this!
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Dave P on February 10, 2018, 07:16:39 PM
Well John. If tomorrow is a full house it will be the biggest home crowd you will ever have played in front of in a league game. And it will be in the Championship. Welcome to a big club.

Clappy thing and potentially nicked!
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Ad@m on February 10, 2018, 07:21:48 PM
Well John. If tomorrow is a full house it will be the biggest home crowd you will ever have played in front of in a league game. And it will be in the Championship. Welcome to a big club.

Love it. Nicked!!
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 11, 2018, 08:14:25 PM
We all felt that way at the final whistle...

(http://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/football/2018/02/11/TELEMMGLPICT000153952619_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqqVzuuqpFlyLIwiB6NTmJwT484Fx_GF1tdOMlBMHKPRw.jpeg?imwidth=1240)
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: LeeB on February 11, 2018, 08:20:12 PM
His skill and quality are one thing, his power of Jedi mind control over referees is something to behold.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: KevinGage on February 11, 2018, 08:24:12 PM
After a ropey start, we're probably talking about player of the season.

And our best player for at least the last three years.

Bruce's policy of Sign All The Captains looked like a pig in a poke; and you won't always get the sort of response we've got from Terry this season if we stick to signing big name players on the wane. But if we secure automatic promotion Terry will have played a big part of that. It's hard to argue the signing hasn't been a success.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: dave shelley on February 11, 2018, 08:24:27 PM
His face said it all as he left the pitch at the end.  I think he's loving it here.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: aj2k77 on February 11, 2018, 08:27:25 PM
A Harry Ballsack top, top player.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: clash city rocker on February 11, 2018, 09:03:36 PM
I'll judge him on what he has contributed to Aston villa F.C. And in that respect he has been exemplary.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Colhint on February 11, 2018, 09:07:01 PM
I want him here next season so when we play Chelsea we can sing

He's one of our own
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 11, 2018, 09:07:58 PM
I still think he's a ****** and always will, but he has been exemplary for us so far. I was worried whether he could still do it but he's been excellent for the most part and he definitely seems to sway some decisions in our favour.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: AsTallAsLions on February 11, 2018, 09:13:53 PM
I still think he's a c*** and always will, but he has been exemplary for us so far. I was worried whether he could still do it but he's been excellent for the most part and he definitely seems to sway some decisions in our favour.

I'm sure it's been said elsewhere on here too but I genuinely believe he has a lot to do with Grealish finally coming good too.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Matt C on February 11, 2018, 09:28:37 PM
He absolutely doesn’t need to be doing this and his biggest credit is despite that, he is and he’s clearly loving it too.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Brend'Watkins on February 11, 2018, 09:40:19 PM
He is absolved of all his sins

Stay another year please.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on February 11, 2018, 09:44:11 PM
Absolute revelation since he came to the Villa. best signing of the season in the Championship. Didn't think it would work out well, and credit to Bruce for it.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Nunkin1965 on February 11, 2018, 09:54:26 PM
I just couldn't think that there was any way we were going to lose today with him in the team. What a signing. Total commitment. A class act.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Deano's Mullet on February 11, 2018, 10:25:08 PM
He had won me over earlier in the season, never thought I would say that. He just exudes authority and his passion is infectious to the rest of the term. He also passes the ball as well as any midfielder. Gareth Southgate was excellent at passing the ball out of defence and so is Terry. Last week Vs Burton he set up a couple of attacking runs with a couple of passes that Gordon Cowans would have been proud of.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: taylorsworkrate on February 11, 2018, 10:27:28 PM
For all the praise that Terry is (rightly) receiving, I'd say that Chester has been every bit as good
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Ad@m on February 11, 2018, 10:28:07 PM
He had won me over earlier in the season, never thought I would say that. He just exudes authority and his passion is infectious to the rest of the term. He also passes the ball as well as any midfielder. Gareth Southgate was excellent at passing the ball out of defence and so is Terry. Last week Vs Burton he set up a couple of attacking runs with a couple of passes that Gordon Cowans would have been proud of.

I'll put it down to pure excitement but steady on there.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: LeeB on February 11, 2018, 10:33:21 PM
For all the praise that Terry is (rightly) receiving, I'd say that Chester has been every bit as good

Yes. He's very sharp.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: KevinGage on February 11, 2018, 11:05:20 PM
He had won me over earlier in the season, never thought I would say that. He just exudes authority and his passion is infectious to the rest of the term. He also passes the ball as well as any midfielder. Gareth Southgate was excellent at passing the ball out of defence and so is Terry. Last week Vs Burton he set up a couple of attacking runs with a couple of passes that Gordon Cowans would have been proud of.

It was noticeable from the first game in the season at home to Hull, the way that when he pushed up from the back his passing ability would be an asset (even if his actual defensive game for a few weeks after that went to pot). It's not something I'd ever really associated with him.

We can afford to press teams high and he can play either the straightforward pass or weight one into a tight area.  Not exactly Cowans-esque (steady on, chap) but far more effective that most centre halves. It's almost like having an extra midfielder when we get it right.  Southgate and Mellberg were always classed as good on the ball, but they were good in the sense that they didn't mindlessly hack the ball out of play and could play the simple ball. Rather than actually being ball-playing centre halves, like Beckenbaur. Or Steve Sims.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: garyfouroaks on February 12, 2018, 12:59:59 AM
The run in to winning things is not about ability, that is a given to be in that position, it is about attitude, mental strength, and belief.

This is where Terry earns his money.

Just having other team mates think “ we will be ok, JT is here” makes a huge difference.

The way the fixtures are falling we have this in our hands, and the title is not beyond  us, we still have to play Wolves at home.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: West Derby Villan on February 12, 2018, 02:09:10 AM
I didn't want us to bring John Terry into our club, but I was wrong, he has significant differences and made us a coherent team, time will tell, but hopefully, it will be of a "Peter Withe" signing importantance.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Duncan Shaw on February 12, 2018, 08:01:07 AM
Put it in the post match thread as well, but can't wait to see him at Fulham next week....they really hate him!!
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Deano's Mullet on February 12, 2018, 08:06:44 AM
Put it in the post match thread as well, but can't wait to see him at Fulham next week....they really hate him!!

Yes there were several Cottagers on the train coming home after the Fulham match who couldn't get over what Terry "did" when he scored and were on about the reception he was going to get at John Craven Cottage.  These weren't he guys who were giving him complete shit right from kick off.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: JJ-AV on February 12, 2018, 08:23:43 AM
Terry, along with Johnstone, Snod and Jedinak. It's nice to finally have some proper warriors in our team. We've had so many weasel-faced arses over the past 10 years and lacked characters like that.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 12, 2018, 02:40:49 PM
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Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Hookeysmith on February 12, 2018, 02:52:15 PM
The JT stare never left that piece of shit all the way through that altercation. I love the way Chester was straight in there as well.

There is a togetherness in this team that has been missing since the MON time and it is evident no one is excluded. Great to see
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on February 12, 2018, 03:08:48 PM
Fantastic player, leader and captain.

Whatever he's done and said in the past, he has been exemplary since he joined us and we are lucky to have him. 
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 12, 2018, 03:09:43 PM
Terry, along with Johnstone, Snod and Jedinak. It's nice to finally have some proper warriors in our team. We've had so many weasel-faced arses over the past 10 years and lacked characters like that.

Would they rather be arse-faced weasels though?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: taylorsworkrate on February 12, 2018, 03:13:33 PM
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Surely Terry and Ndoye could have picked a more appropriate time to practise for Strictly?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Edvard Remberg on February 12, 2018, 03:15:31 PM
The JT stare never left that piece of shit all the way through that altercation. I love the way Chester was straight in there as well.

There is a togetherness in this team that has been missing since the MON time and it is evident no one is excluded. Great to see
Hookey - any idea what happened with Thor since he went of quickly? Needed a wee?
Edit: Ignore - I didn't see that you had responded elsewhere :)
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Clark W Griswold on February 12, 2018, 03:45:52 PM
Fantastic player, leader and captain.

Whatever he's done and said in the past, he has been exemplary since he joined us and we are lucky to have him.

Agreed, I think he's fucking ace now he plays for us. That stare was awesome, I love it when players give a shit to that level.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Steve67 on February 12, 2018, 04:29:42 PM
JT was bouncing around, punching the air after we won. Love it.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Smirker on February 12, 2018, 04:36:27 PM
I am a fan of his. Just hope we can get one more season out of him at least.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Zouch Villa on February 12, 2018, 05:07:19 PM
Like many on here, I’ve been completely won over by Terry’s attitude, ability and leadership.

He would be one of the first I would be looking to tie down for at least another twelve months no matter what the outcome at the end of this season. I wonder if that could be secured with the promise of an eventual transition into the coaching side, which would at least give us some long needed continuity.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Smirker on February 12, 2018, 05:15:55 PM
Good thinking.

Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Woofles The Wonder Dog on February 12, 2018, 05:17:38 PM
This part of Kent is a football wasteland, so inevitably there are a few Chelsea fans (even one or two from before they won the lottery). They all go “We told you” with varying degrees of smugness.

Apart from the obvious stuff, he’s an objectionable but talented git. And he’s our objectionable but talented git now. Would like to have him wherever we are next season (even if it means giving him a couple of days off when we meet Chelsea).
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on February 12, 2018, 05:19:29 PM
My suspicion is he'll give us another season if we go up.  I don't think we'll be able to afford him if we don't.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: wittonwarrior on February 12, 2018, 05:21:20 PM
Done everything asked of him.  Had an average game yesterday and that means just 7/10 the same v burton but he oozes class on the pitch
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 12, 2018, 05:40:28 PM
If we achieve promotion we should do all we can as a club to convince to stay another season. His leadership will make a huge difference in what will likely be a tough first season even if his playing ability will be declining. He can help with the transition as we settle back into being a PL club.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Drummond on February 12, 2018, 05:59:55 PM
A colleague (Liverpool supporter) who watched yesterday, as his first observation said how completely solid Terry and Chester look at the back.

I think they've been great barring one or two errors, especially in this run.

He may be a twat, but he hasn't done anything wrong in his time at the club. (and even those who moaned about him going to London are quiet now).

Brilliant signing.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Ad@m on February 12, 2018, 07:18:11 PM
As much as Terry looks to be enjoying life at the top of the Championship I'm not sure it's as clear cut him being up for a relegation scrap, losing more often than not.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Diablo on February 12, 2018, 07:22:39 PM
For the sake of some balance...arguably at fault for both of Burtons goals last week and slipped to gift Gallagher a golden opportunity which he should really have scored at 0-0.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Ads on February 12, 2018, 07:27:33 PM
At fault for the first? How?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Diablo on February 12, 2018, 07:30:57 PM
At fault for the first? How?
Didn't he lose his marker on the corner?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: j66acd on February 12, 2018, 07:33:35 PM
For the sake of some balance...arguably at fault for both of Burtons goals last week and slipped to gift Gallagher a golden opportunity which he should really have scored at 0-0.

Their first should have been a free kick to us, the Burton player was all over Terry. Reckon the guy I used to sit in front of would have been screaming stepladder!!

I love his passion, his effortless ball control and skill. Terry giving a big fist pump to the Holte yesterday was almost as good as Mellberg’s against them doughnuts.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: brian green on February 12, 2018, 07:43:47 PM
I think we should put our collective humour and creative skills to compose a written tribute to John Terry.  I for one never, ever ever thought I would have a good word to say about him but I stand on what I wrote two weeks ago that he is the best player I have seen in a Villa shirt for a decade.

Chelsea fans who by common consent are as thick as pig shit have announced JT as Leader, Legend etc. I think Villa should give him the Palme D'Or of being "as good as some past Villa players".  Yes, I like that.  Nicely understated.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Diablo on February 12, 2018, 07:50:48 PM
For the sake of some balance...arguably at fault for both of Burtons goals last week and slipped to gift Gallagher a golden opportunity which he should really have scored at 0-0.

Their first should have been a free kick to us, the Burton player was all over Terry. Reckon the guy I used to sit in front of would have been screaming stepladder!!

I love his passion, his effortless ball control and skill. Terry giving a big fist pump to the Holte yesterday was almost as good as Mellberg’s against them doughnuts.
Just watched it again I can't make out if he was fouled (you may well have a point with "Stepladder") I just remember thinking he'd lost the challenge (to be fair even so although it did put Elmohadady under pressure he didn't have to necessary put the ball in the top corner).
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: TheTimVilla on February 12, 2018, 08:24:42 PM
The JT stare never left that piece of shit all the way through that altercation. I love the way Chester was straight in there as well.

There is a togetherness in this team that has been missing since the MON time and it is evident no one is excluded. Great to see

I wonder if he kept his mouth closed so Ndoye couldn't make a racism claim? It seemed odd that Terry didn't say anything at all, and maybe he thought he would be better off keeping schtum.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: supertom on February 12, 2018, 08:46:56 PM
Class player. He's still the business. Would love to keep him another year. Hell...it's happened. I've relented...I'm gonna call him JT. And I'm not even sicking in my mouth a bit.
Get in there JT!


Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: boozey182 on February 12, 2018, 08:58:56 PM
For the sake of some balance...arguably at fault for both of Burtons goals last week and slipped to gift Gallagher a golden opportunity which he should really have scored at 0-0.

Their first should have been a free kick to us, the Burton player was all over Terry. Reckon the guy I used to sit in front of would have been screaming stepladder!!

I love his passion, his effortless ball control and skill. Terry giving a big fist pump to the Holte yesterday was almost as good as Mellberg’s against them doughnuts.
Just watched it again I can't make out if he was fouled (you may well have a point with "Stepladder") I just remember thinking he'd lost the challenge (to be fair even so although it did put Elmohadady under pressure he didn't have to necessary put the ball in the top corner).

You might have been thinking of the Sheffield United match when he lost his man who then hit the bar. Whatever else he offers the team, he has tended to make an error every match that leads to a decent chance since he's come back from injury. Against better opposition I'm sure we would have been punished, but thankfully you don't get many clinical strikers in this league, as their striker yesterday showed pretty emphatically! We will need an upgrade when we go up, and I think he knows that and is why he dropped down a division (the 'won't play against Chelsea' can't be be for real, surely).

As I've said before, we will need someone big and quick to partner Chester if we go up. We can't have such a vulnerability to pace and height against better teams.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: clash city rocker on February 12, 2018, 09:03:58 PM
The JT stare never left that piece of shit all the way through that altercation. I love the way Chester was straight in there as well.

There is a togetherness in this team that has been missing since the MON time and it is evident no one is excluded. Great to see

I wonder if he kept his mouth closed so Ndoye couldn't make a racism claim? It seemed odd that Terry didn't say anything at all, and maybe he thought he would be better off keeping schtum.

He probably thought about calling him a useless bluenose twat but decided against fearing the furore that would ensue in Birmingham City centre where 2.6 million noses live.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: TheTimVilla on February 12, 2018, 09:05:09 PM
The JT stare never left that piece of shit all the way through that altercation. I love the way Chester was straight in there as well.

There is a togetherness in this team that has been missing since the MON time and it is evident no one is excluded. Great to see

I wonder if he kept his mouth closed so Ndoye couldn't make a racism claim? It seemed odd that Terry didn't say anything at all, and maybe he thought he would be better off keeping schtum.

He probably thought about calling him a useless bluenose twat but decided against fearing the furore that would ensue in Birmingham City centre where 2.6 million noses live.

... and the rest!
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: olaftab on February 12, 2018, 09:16:40 PM
I think we should put our collective humour and creative skills to compose a written tribute to John Terry.  I for one never, ever ever thought I would have a good word to say about him but I stand on what I wrote two weeks ago that he is the best player I have seen in a Villa shirt for a decade.

Chelsea fans who by common consent are as thick as pig shit have announced JT as Leader, Legend etc. I think Villa should give him the Palme D'Or of being "as good as some past Villa players".  Yes, I like that.  Nicely understated.
He's could be the next George Curtis.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Pat McMahon on February 12, 2018, 09:28:51 PM
I think we should put our collective humour and creative skills to compose a written tribute to John Terry.  I for one never, ever ever thought I would have a good word to say about him but I stand on what I wrote two weeks ago that he is the best player I have seen in a Villa shirt for a decade.

Chelsea fans who by common consent are as thick as pig shit have announced JT as Leader, Legend etc. I think Villa should give him the Palme D'Or of being "as good as some past Villa players".  Yes, I like that.  Nicely understated.
He's could be the next George Curtis.
Ha, you beat me to it Aftab, but I was going to say Fred Turnbull!
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Nastylee on February 12, 2018, 09:45:03 PM
All this he gives a chance away. Do you expect him to win every challenge he goes for? If that were the case then no goals would ever be scored. I don't think it's any coincidence that his return to the fold has coincided with this run of wins. To think some thought Elphick should have kept him out!!!
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Damo70 on February 12, 2018, 11:06:23 PM
I think we should put our collective humour and creative skills to compose a written tribute to John Terry.  I for one never, ever ever thought I would have a good word to say about him but I stand on what I wrote two weeks ago that he is the best player I have seen in a Villa shirt for a decade.

Chelsea fans who by common consent are as thick as pig shit have announced JT as Leader, Legend etc. I think Villa should give him the Palme D'Or of being "as good as some past Villa players".  Yes, I like that.  Nicely understated.
He's could be the next George Curtis.
Ha, you beat me to it Aftab, but I was going to say Fred Turnbull!


If he didn't say the same player he didn't beat you to it Pat. ;)
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 12, 2018, 11:10:17 PM
For me, he's third behind God and Laursen in terms of ability. He's Chelsea's legend. That's fine. He's our captain and proving to be a tremendous leader in a very understated way.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: olaftab on February 13, 2018, 12:19:32 AM
Fred was the only man who could have replaced George.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on February 13, 2018, 08:57:32 AM
As much as Terry looks to be enjoying life at the top of the Championship I'm not sure it's as clear cut him being up for a relegation scrap, losing more often than not.
Yeah, that's a good point.  Going out on the high of a promotion may appeal more than fizzling away in a relegation fight.  But I still think he'd be very useful and he has got some affinity for the team now. We'll see.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: AsTallAsLions on February 13, 2018, 09:28:35 AM
As much as Terry looks to be enjoying life at the top of the Championship I'm not sure it's as clear cut him being up for a relegation scrap, losing more often than not.
Yeah, that's a good point.  Going out on the high of a promotion may appeal more than fizzling away in a relegation fight.  But I still think he'd be very useful and he has got some affinity for the team now. We'll see.

I think he'll go straight into coaching tbh. He's been constantly studying for the badges as his Instagram stories have shown, and even though he could probably squeeze out another year as a player, he knows himself the quality will start to deteriorate. I think you're both spot on that he'll think twice about carrying on in the bottom half of the PL when he could potentially go out on the high of promotion (should we get there). He also doesn't want to play against Chelsea.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: garyshawsknee on February 13, 2018, 11:54:47 AM
I'm probably slow on the uptake and this has probably been mentioned on here, but I just heard Sundays game was the largest attended home game he has played in.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Ad@m on February 13, 2018, 11:57:30 AM
I'm probably slow on the uptake and this has probably been mentioned on here, but I just heard Sundays game was the largest attended home game he has played in.

It should've been but despite it being a sell out the attendance was reported as only 41,200.  Stamford Bridge holds 41,600 so he may well have played in front of larger home league crowds.

Given VP has a capacity of 42,785 I'm not sure where the 1,500 empty seats were.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: dave.woodhall on February 13, 2018, 11:58:37 AM
I'm probably slow on the uptake and this has probably been mentioned on here, but I just heard Sundays game was the largest attended home game he has played in.

It should've been but despite it being a sell out the attendance was reported as only 41,200.  Stamford Bridge holds 41,600 so he may well have played in front of larger home league crowds.

Given VP has a capacity of 42,785 I'm not sure where the 1,500 empty seats were.

The North Stand corner and the first rows of the away bit.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on February 13, 2018, 11:59:06 AM
There was a gap for segregation. I can see the Wolves, Leeds and Derby games being very close to 42,000.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Ad@m on February 13, 2018, 11:59:38 AM
I'm probably slow on the uptake and this has probably been mentioned on here, but I just heard Sundays game was the largest attended home game he has played in.

It should've been but despite it being a sell out the attendance was reported as only 41,200.  Stamford Bridge holds 41,600 so he may well have played in front of larger home league crowds.

Given VP has a capacity of 42,785 I'm not sure where the 1,500 empty seats were.

The North Stand corner and the first rows of the away bit.


1,500?!  I could see a couple of hundred in the corner but no more.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Brend'Watkins on February 13, 2018, 12:02:27 PM
Regardless, I doubt he's had anything like that atmosphere for any game at Stamford Bridge. 
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Comrade Blitz on February 13, 2018, 12:07:59 PM
Given VP .....


When was Villa Park renamed in honour of our former keeper?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: dave.woodhall on February 13, 2018, 12:10:56 PM
I'm probably slow on the uptake and this has probably been mentioned on here, but I just heard Sundays game was the largest attended home game he has played in.

It should've been but despite it being a sell out the attendance was reported as only 41,200.  Stamford Bridge holds 41,600 so he may well have played in front of larger home league crowds.

Given VP has a capacity of 42,785 I'm not sure where the 1,500 empty seats were.

The North Stand corner and the first rows of the away bit.


1,500?!  I could see a couple of hundred in the corner but no more.

They had 600 seats less than the away capacity.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Holte132 on February 13, 2018, 12:23:57 PM
 :D
Given VP .....

When was Villa Park renamed in honour of our former keeper?

Very good! Made me laugh, anyway! :D :D :D
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Nastylee on February 13, 2018, 10:07:22 PM
I'm probably slow on the uptake and this has probably been mentioned on here, but I just heard Sundays game was the largest attended home game he has played in.

It should've been but despite it being a sell out the attendance was reported as only 41,200.  Stamford Bridge holds 41,600 so he may well have played in front of larger home league crowds.

Given VP has a capacity of 42,785 I'm not sure where the 1,500 empty seats were.

The North Stand corner and the first rows of the away bit.


1,500?!  I could see a couple of hundred in the corner but no more.

They had 600 seats less than the away capacity.

Bollocks. Don't you realise they are the best supported team in Brum?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Ad@m on February 13, 2018, 10:33:10 PM
I'm probably slow on the uptake and this has probably been mentioned on here, but I just heard Sundays game was the largest attended home game he has played in.

It should've been but despite it being a sell out the attendance was reported as only 41,200.  Stamford Bridge holds 41,600 so he may well have played in front of larger home league crowds.

Given VP has a capacity of 42,785 I'm not sure where the 1,500 empty seats were.

The North Stand corner and the first rows of the away bit.


1,500?!  I could see a couple of hundred in the corner but no more.

They had 600 seats less than the away capacity.

Bollocks. Don't you realise they are the best supported team in Brum?

It's ok, they took over the Holte remember.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Dave on February 13, 2018, 11:09:02 PM
I'm probably slow on the uptake and this has probably been mentioned on here, but I just heard Sundays game was the largest attended home game he has played in.

It also ignores forty or so England games.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Risso on February 13, 2018, 11:23:35 PM
A very quick check, but loads of Chelsea games had bigger crowds than Sunday. Not by much, but still a few hundred more. It’s a nice thought but would essentially seem to be bollocks.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 14, 2018, 03:44:19 AM
A very quick check, but loads of Chelsea games had bigger crowds than Sunday. Not by much, but still a few hundred more. It’s a nice thought but would essentially seem to be bollocks.

The stat was that had Villa Park been at capacity vs Blues then it would have been the highest home league attendance he had ever played in front of. In the years Terry played for Chelsea, Stamford Bridge has always had a smaller capacity than Villa Park. He has however played in front of larger crowds than we had this past weekend. So it is still possible that at some point this season, possibly Wolves that stat will be proved out. It hasn't yet.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: PeterWithe on February 14, 2018, 07:41:36 AM
I'm probably slow on the uptake and this has probably been mentioned on here, but I just heard Sundays game was the largest attended home game he has played in.

It should've been but despite it being a sell out the attendance was reported as only 41,200.  Stamford Bridge holds 41,600 so he may well have played in front of larger home league crowds.

Given VP has a capacity of 42,785 I'm not sure where the 1,500 empty seats were.

The North Stand corner and the first rows of the away bit.


1,500?!  I could see a couple of hundred in the corner but no more.

They had 600 seats less than the away capacity.

It seemed strange that despite that lot apparently selling out there were small pockets of seats empty all over the the section that, on the face of it, wouldn’t have had any impact at all on segregation.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Diablo on February 14, 2018, 07:46:52 AM
What is going on with the reduced ticket allowance? Was it a police recommendation? Safety issue? Or something between the two clubs?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chris Smith on February 14, 2018, 08:18:29 AM
What is going on with the reduced ticket allowance? Was it a police recommendation? Safety issue? Or something between the two clubs?

Police restriction to keep fans more segregated following incidents at previous games. I am sure I read that they were allowed a few additional seats this year compared to last due to improved behaviour.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Diablo on February 14, 2018, 11:40:11 AM
Cheers Chris. I thought so. Did we decline the offer of more tickets for the away match this year? As some Blues fans were moaning about the allocation and suggested that we had?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Bad English on February 14, 2018, 11:48:36 AM
I'd just like to point out that the number of tosses I give about the number of people in front of whom John Terry has played is equal to the number of European Champions cups won by Arsenal. Or Blose.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: dave.woodhall on February 14, 2018, 05:02:25 PM
What is going on with the reduced ticket allowance? Was it a police recommendation? Safety issue? Or something between the two clubs?

All Category A games have a reduced away allocation, which might have been the pockets of empty seats PW referred to.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: cheltenhamlion on February 14, 2018, 06:12:09 PM
What is going on with the reduced ticket allowance? Was it a police recommendation? Safety issue? Or something between the two clubs?

Police restriction to keep fans more segregated following incidents at previous games. I am sure I read that they were allowed a few additional seats this year compared to last due to improved behaviour.

Police restrictions based on previous behaviour. And they got the same extra 100 tickets that we did.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: adrenachrome on February 18, 2018, 12:44:56 AM
I'd just like to point out that the number of tosses I give about the number of people in front of whom John Terry has played is equal to the number of European Champions cups won by Arsenal. Or Blose.

Good point. As a seminarian of the Church of Rome in my youth,  I was taught that tossing was a mortal sin which could consign your soul to eternal damnation. In other words, tosses are not to be taken lightly and should be reserved for fantasies other than the attendance figures of JT's home games.

A Wank Bank based on such shoddy foundations would be as insolvent as, now I come to think of it, all of our major banks.

Vexatious is what it is. As my compatriot the late great Flann O'Brien once wrote, it is nearly an insoluble pancake, a conundrum of inscrutable potentialities, a snorter.

 
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: olaftab on February 21, 2018, 01:12:39 PM
Terry is making lot of errors lately. There were at last two big one's last night and there have been some in previous games. Not sure if number of games are catching up with him?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Ads on February 21, 2018, 01:15:36 PM
His worse game for us last night.

Slips are one thing, but he was poor generally.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Brassneck on February 21, 2018, 01:23:01 PM
Terry is making lot of errors lately. There were at last two big one's last night and there have been some in previous games. Not sure if number of games are catching up with him?

I was thinking exactly the same. There were 3 mistakes last night, if you count the one where Axel played the ball to him in the first half and he sliced it straight to their player. We were very lucky not to concede from one of the 2 mistakes he made second half.

I thought he could have done better for both of Burton's goals and he seemed to be caught for the Blues chance in the derby.

Hopefully, it's just a little phase rather than the number of games catching up on him.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: mr underhill on February 21, 2018, 03:18:15 PM
time waits for no man, even Terry. One or two delightful passes last night but some alarming lapses in concentration.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Risso on February 21, 2018, 05:46:40 PM
At fault for the last Burton goal, his slip nearly let the Blues in, then mistakes against Fulham and last night.  I think it's Chester keeping our defence together at the moment tbh. 
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: AsTallAsLions on February 21, 2018, 05:50:05 PM
He's wrecked.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on February 21, 2018, 06:16:57 PM
I doubt it's fatigue, he's not long had several weeks off.  He may just be a bit under the weather or just having an off spell.  I'm prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt given how good he has been for us this season.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on February 21, 2018, 07:48:09 PM
He did seem a bit off his game last night - did anyone see when he got his shirt pulled/ ripped?
Surely if it was in their box it's a penalty?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 21, 2018, 08:32:38 PM
Two games in 4 Days is probably too much at 38.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Villa in Denmark on February 21, 2018, 10:04:11 PM
He did seem a bit off his game last night - did anyone see when he got his shirt pulled/ ripped?
Surely if it was in their box it's a penalty?

It was our first corner in the 3rd or 4th minute. And yes it should have been a penalty.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: mr underhill on February 22, 2018, 09:01:53 AM
He's only 37!!
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Matt Collins on February 24, 2018, 10:21:24 PM
He looked iffy again today

Not sure what’s going on? Don’t think fatigue sounds likely

Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: LeeB on February 24, 2018, 10:27:16 PM
He looked iffy again today

Not sure what’s going on? Don’t think fatigue sounds likely



He was busy reffing todays game for us.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: AV82EC on February 24, 2018, 10:50:24 PM
He looked iffy again today

Not sure what’s going on? Don’t think fatigue sounds likely



He was busy reffing todays game for us.

His reffing of the game today was excellent. Top marks.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: saunders_heroes on February 24, 2018, 11:08:37 PM
Their 2 centre forwards today were bloody massive. No wonder they won so many headers.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: wittonwarrior on February 25, 2018, 07:12:18 AM
He hasn't been the same player since his injury and his return. Several unforced errors
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: mr underhill on February 25, 2018, 07:17:40 AM
I would agree with that. BTW what's happened to Samba? He seems to have lipped off the face of the earth?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Damo70 on February 26, 2018, 11:56:24 AM
Danny Murphy on Talksport a few minutes ago reckoned he is doing great for Villa and Chelsea are missing him and should have kept him for another year.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Holte L2 on February 26, 2018, 01:59:27 PM
Danny Murphy on Talksport a few minutes ago reckoned he is doing great for Villa and Chelsea are missing him and should have kept him for another year.

I think Murphy is right. Chelski's loss is definitely our gain.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Diablo on February 26, 2018, 04:45:46 PM
Danny Murphy on Talksport a few minutes ago reckoned he is doing great for Villa and Chelsea are missing him and should have kept him for another year.

I think Murphy is right. Chelski's loss is definitely our gain.
I think Murphy is a right t*@t. Seeing as he's such a massive fan of ours it would be interesting to know just how many Villa games he's actually watched this season? There's no doubt Terry had an amazing career at Chelsea but he left having only played something like 9 games (718 mins - before his final appearance and 26min sub) in his final season under Conte (at least 1 of which he was sent off and wasn't he subbed at half time one match following a mistake? I seem to remember hearing that on the radio - could be wrong) If you were being generous I'd say it's a very rose tinted view to think Terry should/would be still playing for them and that he would be the difference to their current league position. If Murphy's comments have been brought on following Chelsea's 2-1 defeat at Old Trafford yesterday it maybe worth noting Terry also didn't play the season before when Chelsea lost there 2-0 (and yet won the title).
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: LeeB on February 26, 2018, 05:00:12 PM
Danny Murphy on Talksport a few minutes ago reckoned he is doing great for Villa and Chelsea are missing him and should have kept him for another year.

I think Murphy is right. Chelski's loss is definitely our gain.
I think Murphy is a right t*@t. Seeing as he's such a massive fan of ours it would be interesting to know just how many Villa games he's actually watched this season? There's no doubt Terry had an amazing career at Chelsea but he left having only played something like 9 games (718 mins - before his final appearance and 26min sub) in his final season under Conte (at least 1 of which he was sent off and wasn't he subbed at half time one match following a mistake? I seem to remember hearing that on the radio - could be wrong) If you were being generous I'd say it's a very rose tinted view to think Terry should/would be still playing for them and that he would be the difference to their current league position. If Murphy's comments have been brought on following Chelsea's 2-1 defeat at Old Trafford yesterday it maybe worth noting Terry also didn't play the season before when Chelsea lost there 2-0 (and yet won the title).

You didn't need to elaborate, that was enough.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Diablo on February 26, 2018, 07:19:09 PM
Fair point.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: mr underhill on February 26, 2018, 08:44:03 PM
it would be news if anyone on talksport wasn't a total knobjockey
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: OCD on February 26, 2018, 10:55:35 PM
Terry's made the odd mistake in the Championship. With the level Chelsea are competing at and some of the defenders they have, I don't think Terry could offer much aside from perhaps leadership. Even if we do go up and he wanted to stay, I'm not sure we wouldn't need to sign a first choice centre back to play alongside Chester.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 27, 2018, 01:00:54 AM
Agreed. Let’s not kid ourselves into thinking Terry is any longer a PL player. He’d be exposed which deep down I think he knows. Given his legacy I don’t blame him at all.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Holte L2 on February 27, 2018, 08:46:53 AM
Agreed. Let’s not kid ourselves into thinking Terry is any longer a PL player. He’d be exposed which deep down I think he knows. Given his legacy I don’t blame him at all.

Fair points.  I still think he'd make a difference at Chelsea. Just like he would if we keep him next season. Simply for his leadership, especially when you see the dross that Chelsea signed to replace him. There's no way he'd be able to manage 90 minute games back to back, but you wouldn't need to.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: mr underhill on February 27, 2018, 08:50:42 AM
interestingly, the similarly aged Barry is getting dogs abuse from the WBA supporters I know for ot giving a rat's arse. You certainly can't level that accusation at Terry.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Ad@m on February 27, 2018, 12:09:05 PM
interestingly, the similarly aged Barry is getting dogs abuse from the WBA supporters I know for ot giving a rat's arse. You certainly can't level that accusation at Terry.

To be fair, the day Barry signed for that shower it was obvious to everyone he'd given up.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: OzVilla on February 27, 2018, 12:23:32 PM

Im fairly convinced that whatever happens this will be John Terry's last season in English football. 

He's been superb for us this year but if we go up he'll ride off into the sunset mission accomplished. If we don't he'll not play another season in the Championship as its getting harder for him which is inevitable, he doesn't want to look a fool.

I think he's genuinely loved it so far though, Atleast it certainly looks that way, he always goes mental when we score.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Jon Crofts on February 27, 2018, 06:10:40 PM
I think you’re right Oz, he’ll go whatever happens come the end of the season and nobody can begrudge him that.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: ironmaidenmania on February 27, 2018, 09:19:14 PM
I'm not so sure. If we stay in this division I think he'll play one more season. If we go up he'll hang up his boots and move into coaching.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Dave P on February 27, 2018, 09:38:06 PM
it would be news if anyone on talksport wasn't a total knobjockey

Danny Kelly is very witty and knowledgeable that I’ve often thought he is wasted there.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: LeeB on February 27, 2018, 09:58:19 PM
it would be news if anyone on talksport wasn't a total knobjockey

Danny Kelly is very witty and knowledgeable that I’ve often thought he is wasted there.

Indeed, but at least it gets him on the air. It’s also always a nice little fillip when you happen to be listening and he’s standing in for one of the regulars.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: mr underhill on February 28, 2018, 07:23:53 AM
a shame then that he can't see beyond Tottenham Real.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Damo70 on March 01, 2018, 12:21:25 PM
a shame then that he can't see beyond Tottenham Real.

The best broadcasters on the station are Danny Kelly, Paul Hawksbee and Andy Jacobs. Two Spurs fans and a Chelsea fan who each have no problem in criticising their own team.

On the subject of Talksport they have just announced that Frank Lampard has passed his UEFA A badge and is looking for a managerial or coaching role. I don't know John Terry's coaching qualifications status but you can easily imagine the two of them teaming up as manager and assistant somewhere in the near future.

Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 18, 2018, 02:33:21 PM
Terry wants to stay with us for one more season whether we go up or not.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Smirker on March 18, 2018, 03:41:37 PM
Terry wants to stay with us for one more season whether we go up or not.

Good news imo.

Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on March 18, 2018, 03:57:17 PM
Player/Manager?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Mister E on March 18, 2018, 03:59:38 PM
Terry wants to stay with us for one more season whether we go up or not.
I thought the plan was for him and Frankie to team up back at Chelski?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 18, 2018, 03:59:51 PM
If we go up I think he'd struggle quite a bit. He's been exposed a fair few times at this level. If we're stuck down here for another year then i'd imagine he can still do a decent job for us.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chris Jameson on March 18, 2018, 05:13:18 PM
Think that would be a brilliant appointment, get rid of Bruce and appoint the number 26.

*sideways glance to the camera*
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: David_Nab on March 18, 2018, 11:34:01 PM
Can we afford to pay a 37 year old 50 k a week for another season in the championship ?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on March 19, 2018, 08:15:04 AM
He would likely have to take a pay cut if we stay down, probably with a large incentive if we go up.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Richard on March 19, 2018, 09:04:05 AM
Don't think a pay cut would be an issue, he'd have taken up other offers last summer if it was only about the money.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on March 19, 2018, 09:32:37 AM
If we can make it work financially I'd be happy to keep him in either division.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Clark W Griswold on March 19, 2018, 09:40:40 AM
Outstanding news. Johnstone next...? :-)
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Brend'Watkins on March 19, 2018, 09:47:58 AM
Player/Manager?

I certainly wouldn't be against that. 
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: darren woolley on March 19, 2018, 09:56:34 AM
I really want us to keep him for another season he's been brilliant for us.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: sickbeggar on March 19, 2018, 10:19:48 AM
I'd certainly keep him, however with the best will in the world we'd need to nurse him through the season. Him slowing down isn't so much of a problem as he never had any pace anyway, but recovering/injurys means we need good cover, and not some midfielder or clapped out free transfer. Elphick will be in the last year of his contract so there should be room to manoeuvre with him, but at the very least we need someone good enough to play half the games if need be and preferably compete with him for a starting place.. And a youth player added to the mix there would be nice as well
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chris Jameson on March 19, 2018, 10:21:08 AM
Player/Manager?

I certainly wouldn't be against that. 

Admittedly I'm no fan of the man, but why do people think he should be the manager? Is it because he shows PASHUN? Also, he gets his first managerial job and he should combine it with playing?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: sickbeggar on March 19, 2018, 10:23:52 AM
Well Bruce started somewhere didn't he? Actually in that case, maybe its not a good idea. ::)

Actually..it would be a gamble but besides all the passion/lead by example stuff, he actually seems to like passing and possession football, so you'd hope a side managed by him would follow that lead

Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Brend'Watkins on March 19, 2018, 10:52:10 AM
Player/Manager?

I certainly wouldn't be against that. 

Admittedly I'm no fan of the man, but why do people think he should be the manager? Is it because he shows PASHUN? Also, he gets his first managerial job and he should combine it with playing?

A number of reasons.  Still a decent footballer, Players like him and look up to him, he seems happy here, he knows a thing or two about football, he's a winner and wouldn't stand for any player shirking their responsibility. He might also be able to get half decent players to join us due to his Chelsea/England links. He might well turn out to be the new Bryan Robson of managers but somehow I don't think he will as he doesn't come across as dull and boring.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Simon Page on March 19, 2018, 11:03:39 AM
Aston Villa shouldn't be anyone's first managerial job. It's a club you manage rather than rabble rouse; the expectation is bigger than the budget, but the budget is big enough to bugger you up; if it starts to go wrong you need to call on your experience to stop a very rapid slide; and you can't just smug like Billy Big Bollocks after a couple of wins and think 'job done'. Other than Small Heath goalkeeper you'll be pushed to find a harder job in football.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Clark W Griswold on March 19, 2018, 11:18:13 AM
Yes, it would be too big a job for a first job. Great if he's staying as a player though, maybe he could do a bit of coaching and it might be worth making him temporary manager if Bruce gets fired at any point next season.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Brend'Watkins on March 19, 2018, 11:24:42 AM
Aston Villa shouldn't be anyone's first managerial job. It's a club you manage rather than rabble rouse; the expectation is bigger than the budget, but the budget is big enough to bugger you up; if it starts to go wrong you need to call on your experience to stop a very rapid slide; and you can't just smug like Billy Big Bollocks after a couple of wins and think 'job done'. Other than Small Heath goalkeeper you'll be pushed to find a harder job in football.

In an Aston Villa ideal world I'd agree with you.  The reality is that we are in no position to appoint a manager of enough pedigree due to our current position or status.  We're not going to attract a current mediocre prem manager so we're left with the usual suspects or we gamble on a foreign appointment. I'd like to think Wyness has a David Wagner type lined up but I very much doubt it. Terry has had a season with us and knows the players well by now.  I'd guess that he also knows that sticking 4 forwards on in the hope of an equalizer isn't such a good idea.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on March 19, 2018, 11:32:11 AM
Being a good footballer is no guarantee of being a good manager. If he wants the Villa job he would have to prove himself elsewhere.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on March 19, 2018, 11:39:08 AM
Player managers were all the rage in the 90s. Gullit and Vialli both did it for a while at Chelsea, Bryan Robson did it for a season at Boro. Hoddle did it at Swindon.

Can't recall someone recent in the top 2 divisions doing it.

Given the choice I'd prefer him to continue playing.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: boozey182 on March 19, 2018, 11:39:42 AM
He's probably the most overrated player I've ever seen in a Villa shirt. Especially since his injury, he's made errors pretty much every match, and we desperately need better than him, whatever league we're in next season. His mistakes have largely been covered up by Chester and the awful standard of strikers in this league.

Whatever intangible qualities he may possess, his legs have gone and he's becoming a liability. If we go into next season with him as a first choice centre back, we'll have another year of underachieving. I'm certain of it.

And the thought of him becoming our manager... Jesus Christ.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Drummond on March 19, 2018, 11:47:14 AM
..... you'll be pushed to find a harder job in football.

I think is the nub of the vast majority of our problems over the past 20 years.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: achilles on March 19, 2018, 12:16:42 PM
I don't think he can manage as he hasn't got the relevant coaching badges yet which is a blessing as far as Villa are concerned.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on March 19, 2018, 12:18:51 PM
Hasn't SB offered him a coaching position next year to tempt him to stay another year?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Nunkin1965 on March 19, 2018, 12:21:32 PM
I think he’s  had  a great season for us so far. His influence in and around the team has been impressive. He’s made errors. But who hasn’t. Hope he stays for another year.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 19, 2018, 12:28:17 PM
I like the idea of him as a player. But as a manager it’s all a bit Tim Sherwood. And even then the latter had coaching experience at Spurs. I wouldn’t mind him as an Assistant Manager if we boot Bruce for not achieving promotion but then the next manager would probably want his own staff in.  It it’s a no from the Toronto jury on him becoming manager.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chris Jameson on March 19, 2018, 12:42:17 PM
Steve Bruce was well respected as a player in a team that played attractive football and won everything. He played in the same position as the number 26 and has connections at Manchester United, he also managed five clubs before becoming Aston Villa manager, having achieved four promotions. Can't think of too many ex players who have gone straight into management with any success in recent years, especially ones who continue playing.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on March 19, 2018, 02:13:01 PM
I've never understood the rationale behind the belief that good players will somehow transform into brilliant managers.  How often has this ever happened?

I feel the same about the usual clamour for ex Villa players to come and manage us.

Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chris Jameson on March 19, 2018, 02:15:12 PM
I've never understood the rationale behind the belief that good players will somehow transform into brilliant managers.  How often has this ever happened?

I feel the same about the usual clamour for ex Villa players to come and manage us.



See Mellberg and Laursen mentioned at various times, two brilliant players but not sure why they would make great managers, they cover both bases though!
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: dave shelley on March 19, 2018, 02:18:57 PM
It sometimes seems to be the exact opposite, managers that either never played at the highest level or never played at all seem to have a good handle on how to manage.  Just my observation.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on March 19, 2018, 02:22:33 PM
We need a manager with a lingering bitterness about his playing career, like Clough or Ferguson had.

On that basis, anyone who has played for Villa in the last decade should be fine.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on March 19, 2018, 02:22:53 PM
I've never understood the rationale behind the belief that good players will somehow transform into brilliant managers.  How often has this ever happened?

I feel the same about the usual clamour for ex Villa players to come and manage us.



See Mellberg and Laursen mentioned at various times, two brilliant players but not sure why they would make great managers, they cover both bases though!
Exactly. If we were putting out a seniors team they'd be fucking brilliant.  But as the next manager?  There must be 100's of better qualified candidates.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Ad@m on March 19, 2018, 03:49:33 PM
Hasn't Melberg taken a shit team in Scandinavia from the 3rd division to the top flight in two seasons?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Clark W Griswold on March 19, 2018, 03:51:09 PM
We need a manager with a lingering bitterness about his playing career, like Clough or Ferguson had.

On that basis, anyone who has played for Villa in the last decade should be fine.

Let's get Stefan Moore in.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Ad@m on March 19, 2018, 03:53:30 PM
We need a manager with a lingering bitterness about his playing career, like Clough or Ferguson had.

On that basis, anyone who has played for Villa in the last decade should be fine.

Let's get Stefan Moore in.

Liam Ridgewell is captain of some ridiculously named MLS team - he's also got the bitterness of having played for both Blues and the Olbiyun.

Sounds like a perfect candidate.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on March 19, 2018, 04:06:03 PM
Hasn't Melberg taken a shit team in Scandinavia from the 3rd division to the top flight in two seasons?

He did, and got them to the cup semis as a second tier club.  He stood down after the second promotion.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Brend'Watkins on March 19, 2018, 04:27:00 PM
We need a manager with a lingering bitterness about his playing career, like Clough or Ferguson had.

On that basis, anyone who has played for Villa in the last decade should be fine.

Let's get Stefan Moore in.

Liam Ridgewell is captain of some ridiculously named MLS team - he's also got the bitterness of having played for both Blues and the Olbiyun.

Sounds like a perfect candidate.

We'd have to go back a fair bit to find a lingering bitterness in a former Villa player's career as they've all made a lot of money out of the game. They've all pretty much won little but have boosted their bank balances handsomely so their bitterness would be minimal. What about a former manager with a lingering bitterness about not quite finishing the job?  Step forward John Gregory, newly crowned Indian Super League winner.

Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on March 19, 2018, 04:40:13 PM
What's Ivor Linton up to these days?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on March 19, 2018, 05:16:13 PM
What's Ivor Linton up to these days?

An electrician in West Brom. And he's an Albion fan
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: The Edge on March 20, 2018, 09:11:06 AM
Good to see the comments from our captain in today's papers. He praises the fantastic away support but they will always get behind the team. It's the home crowd that needs to make Villa Park an unwelcoming cauldron for visiting clubs if we're going to get over the line. As someone once said "we all need to pull together right now and give 110% from the tea lady to the boardroom "
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on March 20, 2018, 09:53:51 AM
Funnily enough, I think we will do better in the Cardiff game at home because it is likely to be a full house - these games we seem to relish.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Richard E on March 20, 2018, 11:29:32 AM
Funnily enough, I think we will do better in the Cardiff game at home because it is likely to be a full house - these games we seem to relish.

That's part of the reason I would be quietly confident about getting through the Play-Offs.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: footyskillz on March 20, 2018, 11:51:30 AM
Funnily enough, I think we will do better in the Cardiff game at home because it is likely to be a full house - these games we seem to relish.

That's part of the reason I would be quietly confident about getting through the Play-Offs.

Agree with this. The big game players will enjoy this sort of occasion. 
Grabban for one after losing out last year will want to right things

(still hoping for automatic though! )
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: cheltenhamlion on March 20, 2018, 05:14:33 PM
So have we confirmed he is stopping? If we don't go up he will have to take a hefty pay drop I imagine.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: cheltenhamlion on March 21, 2018, 05:50:59 PM
So have we confirmed he is stopping? If we don't go up he will have to take a hefty pay drop I imagine.

Round again last night. He wants to stop, regardless of the division we are in, but obviously we need to reach a financial agreement if we don't go up.

He is apparently exemplary in the dressing room and at training. He has very much taken Jack under his wing and spends lots of time talking with him about how to improve and the pitfalls of the game.

First in and last off the training ground every day and the rest of the players are essentially copying him in how to prepare for a game.

Round also told an amusing story from Bodymoor the other day. It was 5pm and he could hear a commotion in the dressing room. As everyone has normally gone, he went to inspect what was going on and it was an incredibly competitive game of head tennis between Terry and Snodgrass. They were refusing to leave until one was declared the clear winner.

By 6.30pm he had had enough and declared it a draw on their behalf.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 21, 2018, 05:56:55 PM
That's great. I know we've stumbled in the last week but we can still come out of this if the spirit amongst the players is strong. We'll bounce back and hopefully Bruce can draw on whatever positive experience he has had with previous promotions to get us up be it automatically, or as is more likely via the playoffs.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: cheltenhamlion on March 21, 2018, 06:10:58 PM
It sounds a good dressing room. Round also fought his corner well on what a good player Onomah will be and why O' Hare and Doyle-Hayes aren't quite ready yet (expect him out on loan next season). And we only signed Onomah to cover Grealish missing the first few months. Oh yes, and there is about to be a change on Croatians needing work permits and we have scouted the fuck out of the best players there (I may be paraphrasing).

I know I am flitting between threads but the scouting set up is night and day from what we had previously. 
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 21, 2018, 06:12:52 PM
Croatia has had a lot of top, top players for a while now. Would love to see us pluck the next Modric or Rakitic.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: cheltenhamlion on March 21, 2018, 06:25:06 PM
It was also asked about transfer by committee. Not so says Round. If a few like the look of a decent youngster like Bedeau, then Bruce doesn't need a say in that. Let's bring him in and see how he develops. Anything for the first team though is thoroughly scouted and the manager signs off on the lot, and that is after they have been watched countlessly by others. In fact, if we are thinking of signing someone, Round and Bruce do the final scouting missions together.

They have also introduced a 4 tier payment scale for younger players and won't breach it unless you hit the next tier. It's why Green only has another two years on his contract. Not getting what he would love but scope to bounce up the scale with another contract in that time.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: stuart445 on March 21, 2018, 06:36:31 PM
It sounds a good dressing room. Round also fought his corner well on what a good player Onomah will be and why O' Hare and Doyle-Hayes aren't quite ready yet (expect him out on loan next season). And we only signed Onomah to cover Grealish missing the first few months. Oh yes, and there is about to be a change on Croatians needing work permits and we have scouted the fuck out of the best players there (I may be paraphrasing).

I know I am flitting between threads but the scouting set up is night and day from what we had previously.

Unfortunately we'll probably have only a short time with Croatians not needing work permits because of Brexit
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: cheltenhamlion on March 21, 2018, 06:40:19 PM
He mentioned that as well!
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Ad@m on March 21, 2018, 08:48:29 PM
The comment about Terry being first on the training ground and last off is interesting in so much as its surprising he's singled out as unusual.

In a dressing room full of former team captains (Jedinak, Hourihane, Lansbury, McCormack) and plenty more who've played at the highest level (Chester, Snodgrass, Hutton, Whelan) it should be ultra-professional at BH.

How the fuck did it become a retirement home for piss-taking players?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Clampy on March 21, 2018, 09:05:00 PM
The comment about Terry being first on the training ground and last off is interesting in so much as its surprising he's singled out as unusual.

In a dressing room full of former team captains (Jedinak, Hourihane, Lansbury, McCormack) and plenty more who've played at the highest level (Chester, Snodgrass, Hutton, Whelan) it should be ultra-professional at BH.

How the fuck did it become a retirement home for piss-taking players?

Are you suggesting it's a retirement home for piss taking players now or was previously in seaaon's gone by?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Pete3206 on March 21, 2018, 09:32:01 PM
I took that comment to mean firmly in the past.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Ad@m on March 21, 2018, 09:38:06 PM
I'm saying it clearly got to that point if John Terry stands out for his professionalism. And that's not too say I expected John Terry to be unprofessional, but I also expected all those others I listed to be professional too.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Risso on March 21, 2018, 09:41:19 PM
And we only signed Onomah to cover Grealish missing the first few months.. 

I know you're only passing on what you were told, and for that we're grateful, but I'd have to say that statement is absolute rubbish.  Why is a player who has been dreadful for months, and who in style of play is nothing like Grealish still getting in squads, at the expense of O'Hare who has been brilliant in every U23 game he's played, and who is much more more in the same creative mould.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Clampy on March 21, 2018, 09:48:02 PM
I'm saying it clearly got to that point if John Terry stands out for his professionalism. And that's not too say I expected John Terry to be unprofessional, but I also expected all those others I listed to be professional too.

With the exception of McCormack, who's to say they're not? Terry is obviously doing his best to to keep himself going and at his best for as long as possible and that's great but just because he is being a model professional doesn't really mean the others are not.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Risso on March 21, 2018, 09:54:28 PM
I'm saying it clearly got to that point if John Terry stands out for his professionalism. And that's not too say I expected John Terry to be unprofessional, but I also expected all those others I listed to be professional too.

With the exception of McCormack, who's to say they're not? Terry is obviously doing his best to to keep himself going and at his best for as long as possible and that's great but just because he is being a model professional doesn't really mean the others are not.

I think the point he's making is that Terry keeps gets singled out for praise for doing what you'd hope everybody would be doing as a matter of course, and if they're not, why aren't they?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: amfy on March 21, 2018, 10:07:43 PM
I guess Terry is the only one who has played at the highest level - it does say that the others are copying him.
I'd guess we generally have a better disciplined dressing room now, but Terry is the man to watch in terms of how they do it at the top.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: olaftab on March 21, 2018, 10:35:04 PM
Not sure if it's been mentioned but Round also said that if we do not get promoted Terry will be here for another season however if we go up it's to be negotiated.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Ad@m on March 22, 2018, 05:46:58 AM
I guess Terry is the only one who has played at the highest level - it does say that the others are copying him.
I'd guess we generally have a better disciplined dressing room now, but Terry is the man to watch in terms of how they do it at the top.

He's not though is he. Bruce has bemoaned the fact we've got more than a dozen players disappearing off on international duty. We've got loads of ex-Premier League players (including the likes of Hutton who's played at the San Siro in the Champions League) and a bunch of former captains.

It just astounds me that when a Chelsea player has come in he stands out for his professionalism when compared to the rest of them.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: taylorsworkrate on March 22, 2018, 06:26:05 AM
Not sure if it's been mentioned but Round also said that if we do not get promoted Terry will be here for another season however if we go up it's to be negotiated.

If we don't go up and Terry stays, then surely we have to negotiate a wage cut? Thats not to say he hasn't contributed, but another year of 60k a week for a 38 year old, when we are being hit financially just doesn't feasible to me
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: cheltenhamlion on March 22, 2018, 06:28:30 AM
Not sure if it's been mentioned but Round also said that if we do not get promoted Terry will be here for another season however if we go up it's to be negotiated.

If we don't go up and Terry stays, then surely we have to negotiate a wage cut? Thats not to say he hasn't contributed, but another year of 60k a week for a 38 year old, when we are being hit financially just doesn't feasible to me

It was the other way round.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: cheltenhamlion on March 22, 2018, 06:30:32 AM
And we only signed Onomah to cover Grealish missing the first few months.. 

I know you're only passing on what you were told, and for that we're grateful, but I'd have to say that statement is absolute rubbish.  Why is a player who has been dreadful for months, and who in style of play is nothing like Grealish still getting in squads, at the expense of O'Hare who has been brilliant in every U23 game he's played, and who is much more more in the same creative mould.

They signed Onomah to cover Grealish after he got injured in pre season. They don't think O' Hare is ready yet but is close enough for cameos which is why they didn't let him out on loan in January.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: cheltenhamlion on March 22, 2018, 06:32:46 AM
I guess Terry is the only one who has played at the highest level - it does say that the others are copying him.
I'd guess we generally have a better disciplined dressing room now, but Terry is the man to watch in terms of how they do it at the top.

Yep. The attitude about the place is very different now anyway but the suggestion appears to be that Terry has raised the bar in terms of personal preparation.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Clampy on March 22, 2018, 06:48:52 AM
I guess Terry is the only one who has played at the highest level - it does say that the others are copying him.
I'd guess we generally have a better disciplined dressing room now, but Terry is the man to watch in terms of how they do it at the top.

He's not though is he. Bruce has bemoaned the fact we've got more than a dozen players disappearing off on international duty. We've got loads of ex-Premier League players (including the likes of Hutton who's played at the San Siro in the Champions League) and a bunch of former captains.

It just astounds me that when a Chelsea player has come in he stands out for his professionalism when compared to the rest of them.

The thing is though, you put Chester on your list of players supposedly taking the piss and he's played every game this season. Like Chelts said, they were making the point how seriously John Terry takes it. That does not mean others think of it as a retirement home.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Mister E on March 22, 2018, 07:11:16 AM
And we only signed Onomah to cover Grealish missing the first few months.. 

I know you're only passing on what you were told, and for that we're grateful, but I'd have to say that statement is absolute rubbish.  Why is a player who has been dreadful for months, and who in style of play is nothing like Grealish still getting in squads, at the expense of O'Hare who has been brilliant in every U23 game he's played, and who is much more more in the same creative mould.

They signed Onomah to cover Grealish after he got injured in pre season. They don't think O' Hare is ready yet but is close enough for cameos which is why they didn't let him out on loan in January.
Strange. How many cameos has he had? - not many!
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: JD on March 22, 2018, 07:57:44 AM
Steve Bruce was well respected as a player in a team that played attractive football and won everything. He played in the same position as the number 26 and has connections at Manchester United, he also managed five clubs before becoming Aston Villa manager, having achieved four promotions. Can't think of too many ex players who have gone straight into management with any success in recent years, especially ones who continue playing.

The last one I remember was King Kenny Dalglish.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Ad@m on March 22, 2018, 08:32:01 AM
I guess Terry is the only one who has played at the highest level - it does say that the others are copying him.
I'd guess we generally have a better disciplined dressing room now, but Terry is the man to watch in terms of how they do it at the top.

He's not though is he. Bruce has bemoaned the fact we've got more than a dozen players disappearing off on international duty. We've got loads of ex-Premier League players (including the likes of Hutton who's played at the San Siro in the Champions League) and a bunch of former captains.

It just astounds me that when a Chelsea player has come in he stands out for his professionalism when compared to the rest of them.

The thing is though, you put Chester on your list of players supposedly taking the piss and he's played every game this season. Like Chelts said, they were making the point how seriously John Terry takes it. That does not mean others think of it as a retirement home.

I'm not saying Chester is taking the piss - the likes of Gabby and Richards are taking the piss.

There just shouldn't be enough off a difference in how John Terry approaches training to how the others do, such that Terry keeps being lauded as this model professional. All those players I've listed shouldn't need John Terry to come in to realise what good looks like. And in turn Grealish shouldn't have needed to wait until Terry arrived to have a role model at the club given the other characters we've got.

Unless of course it's all a load of bollocks designed to make Terry want to stay another season. But then that would risk pissing the others off.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: dave shelley on March 22, 2018, 08:37:01 AM
Steve Bruce was well respected as a player in a team that played attractive football and won everything. He played in the same position as the number 26 and has connections at Manchester United, he also managed five clubs before becoming Aston Villa manager, having achieved four promotions. Can't think of too many ex players who have gone straight into management with any success in recent years, especially ones who continue playing.

The last one I remember was King Kenny Dalglish.

And look at the quality of players he inherited.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Clampy on March 22, 2018, 08:45:28 AM
If Terry is helping the likes of Grealish and other youngster's at the club and is influencing them to approach the game differently and act more professional, then I don't see the problem with it. It's only going to help them and us in the long run.



Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: cheltenhamlion on March 22, 2018, 09:38:50 AM
I guess Terry is the only one who has played at the highest level - it does say that the others are copying him.
I'd guess we generally have a better disciplined dressing room now, but Terry is the man to watch in terms of how they do it at the top.

He's not though is he. Bruce has bemoaned the fact we've got more than a dozen players disappearing off on international duty. We've got loads of ex-Premier League players (including the likes of Hutton who's played at the San Siro in the Champions League) and a bunch of former captains.

It just astounds me that when a Chelsea player has come in he stands out for his professionalism when compared to the rest of them.

The thing is though, you put Chester on your list of players supposedly taking the piss and he's played every game this season. Like Chelts said, they were making the point how seriously John Terry takes it. That does not mean others think of it as a retirement home.

I'm not saying Chester is taking the piss - the likes of Gabby and Richards are taking the piss.

There just shouldn't be enough off a difference in how John Terry approaches training to how the others do, such that Terry keeps being lauded as this model professional. All those players I've listed shouldn't need John Terry to come in to realise what good looks like. And in turn Grealish shouldn't have needed to wait until Terry arrived to have a role model at the club given the other characters we've got.

Unless of course it's all a load of bollocks designed to make Terry want to stay another season. But then that would risk pissing the others off.

You seem to be looking to get shirty for no reason here. If, say, Lansbury turns in at 9 for a 10 start, and leaves at half 2 after additional shooting practice, he is hardly shirking responsibility or not taking it seriously. But what has he achieved that will make Jack take notice?

Terry isn't redefining match preparation like the early years of Wenger at Arsenal. He is showing shit attitude types their prep is unprofessional and those who thought they were working hard enough that they can work harder still. It wasn't a sop about him (or certainly didn't come across as one).
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Ad@m on March 22, 2018, 09:55:19 AM
So following your example, why weren't Round and Wyness talking about how its great to have Lansbury at the club who Grealish can look up to and learn from?  The logical answer would be that Lansbury isn't going above and beyond - so why not?  He's not in the team so he should be busting a gut to do so. 

If he is doing as you say, but Round and Wyness are only fawning over Terry I'd be pretty pissed off if I was Lansbury.  Wouldn't you?

If it's just that Terry's a role model because he's won trophies then why isn't Birkir a role model because he was part of an Iceland team that knocked England out of the Euros, or why isn't Hutton a role model because he's played in the Champions League?

I'm not getting shirty for no reason.  Chelsea players should be turning up at the Villa and being impressed at the fact they're at a proper, big club, not turning up showing the rest of the place up for it's unprofessionalism.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: boozey182 on March 22, 2018, 09:57:57 AM
It's certainly in everyone's interest to highlight/exaggerate Terry's influence. We have committed a ridiculous wage for a player at this level, and he's put his reputation of success on the line to join us. So it needs to have worked for all concerned.

Having said that, fair play to him if he's had a positive effect on other players. I still don't think he's performed well enough for us (considering his wage), I don't think he's what our team needed and I don't like him. But if he's helped improve standards in training, that's a good thing.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Ads on March 22, 2018, 10:00:18 AM
I'm not sure I understand your point.

Lansbury may well be very professional, but Terry is equally professional and has more silverwear in his front room than most clubs have in their 140 year histories. You aspire to greatness, not mediocrity.

Nobody has said he's showing anybody up.

One of the most decorated English players of the last 30 years, has turned up and unsurprisingly has an extra percent in his game. Terry has helped raise the bar further by being a role model for the likes of Jack. Its a positive thing that you're doing your best to turn into a whinge.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Diablo on March 22, 2018, 10:16:37 AM
Steve Bruce was well respected as a player in a team that played attractive football and won everything. He played in the same position as the number 26 and has connections at Manchester United, he also managed five clubs before becoming Aston Villa manager, having achieved four promotions. Can't think of too many ex players who have gone straight into management with any success in recent years, especially ones who continue playing.

The last one I remember was King Kenny Dalglish.

And look at the quality of players he inherited.
Plus the back room staff. He'd been at the club for 8 years before taking over and his honours as a player during that time are an absolute piss take (3 European cups, 5 league titles, 4 league cups) arguably worthy of his king title.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Clampy on March 22, 2018, 10:24:04 AM
Maybe they were asked about Terry's future plans and Round/Wyness just expanded on it by saying how good a influence and professional he has been. It doesn't sound anything more than that and it's hardly worth getting worked up because they didnt mention no-one else.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: amfy on March 22, 2018, 01:00:58 PM
I guess Terry is the only one who has played at the highest level - it does say that the others are copying him.
I'd guess we generally have a better disciplined dressing room now, but Terry is the man to watch in terms of how they do it at the top.

He's not though is he. Bruce has bemoaned the fact we've got more than a dozen players disappearing off on international duty. We've got loads of ex-Premier League players (including the likes of Hutton who's played at the San Siro in the Champions League) and a bunch of former captains.

It just astounds me that when a Chelsea player has come in he stands out for his professionalism when compared to the rest of them.

The highest level - how many of the othwrs listed have played in the Premier League let alone won it several times? It doesn't mean they are miles behind him, but they are bound to watch him and try to learn from his example.
If someone in my office had won Social Worker of the year - I would be wanting to shadow them and learn from what they do better than me. What different preparation and reflection makes their practice better than mine. Just wanting to do that makes me a good social worker too, rather than one who says 'Well I already do a goid job,  I don't need to learn how to be better'.
In that same way - saying they can learn from Terry isn't a bad sign.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Ads on March 22, 2018, 01:10:57 PM
Exactly. He isn't just successful, he was the captain of a side that won;

5 league titles
5 FA Cups*
3 League Cups
European Cup
UEFA Cup

He's also been the PFA player of the year and been capped by England 78 times. He's won more in his career than all but 9 or 10 clubs in 140 years.

Clearly there is something about him that made him a great player and that aura and professionalism is something anybody would want to learn from. It doesn't mean everything else in the organisation is poor by comparison.


*he was captain for 4 FA Cup wins.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Hookeysmith on March 22, 2018, 01:31:08 PM
Exactly. He isn't just successful, he was the captain of a side that won;

5 league titles
5 FA Cups*
3 League Cups
European Cup
UEFA Cup

He's also been the PFA player of the year and been capped by England 78 times. He's won more in his career than all but 9 or 10 clubs in 140 years.

Clearly there is something about him that made him a great player and that aura and professionalism is something anybody would want to learn from. It doesn't mean everything else in the organisation is poor by comparison.


*he was captain for 4 FA Cup wins.

They are some pretty impressive stats whether you love him or loathe him it is hard not to be impressed
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Diablo on March 22, 2018, 01:32:23 PM
Exactly. He isn't just successful, he was the captain of a side that won;

5 league titles
5 FA Cups*
3 League Cups
European Cup
UEFA Cup

He's also been the PFA player of the year and been capped by England 78 times. He's won more in his career than all but 9 or 10 clubs in 140 years.

Clearly there is something about him that made him a great player and that aura and professionalism is something anybody would want to learn from. It doesn't mean everything else in the organisation is poor by comparison.


*he was captain for 4 FA Cup wins.
You forgot his Dad of the year award in 2009 ;-) As has been said it's an impressive honours list.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Scratchins on March 22, 2018, 01:36:20 PM
Clampy is right. Steve Round was asked specifically about John Terry and in the course of stating that he has said that he wants to play next season praised his contribution to the team on and off the field. He also mentioned that he heard a noise from the gym one day at 5pm, it was Terry and Snoddy playing head tennis, they went on until 6:30 with neither prepared to lose. He praised both of them for their will to win.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on March 22, 2018, 02:08:01 PM
You only have to listen to Christenson the Chelsea player who as recently as last week praised the motivational speech Terry gave him.  If you don't seriously think he has been a fundamental and frankly vital change to the dressing room mentality this season then you are wrong. 
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: KevinGage on March 22, 2018, 02:38:57 PM
The youth players that emerged mid nineties under Fergiescum all cited Eric Cant na as a big influence, the way he would continue well after the alloted hours with shooting practice and free kicks.

That was in a team that already possessed the likes of Hughes, Ince and Keane. So I don't think there were many coasters in their training sessions.

But the Kung Fu King pushed himself even further, and kids pick up on that type thing.



Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: JUAN PABLO on March 22, 2018, 05:16:21 PM
I am suprised Terry only has 78 england caps
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: cheltenhamlion on March 22, 2018, 05:35:04 PM
So following your example, why weren't Round and Wyness talking about how its great to have Lansbury at the club who Grealish can look up to and learn from?  The logical answer would be that Lansbury isn't going above and beyond - so why not?  He's not in the team so he should be busting a gut to do so. 

If he is doing as you say, but Round and Wyness are only fawning over Terry I'd be pretty pissed off if I was Lansbury.  Wouldn't you?

If it's just that Terry's a role model because he's won trophies then why isn't Birkir a role model because he was part of an Iceland team that knocked England out of the Euros, or why isn't Hutton a role model because he's played in the Champions League?

I'm not getting shirty for no reason.  Chelsea players should be turning up at the Villa and being impressed at the fact they're at a proper, big club, not turning up showing the rest of the place up for it's unprofessionalism.

He was responding to a question about John Terry. Telling us about Lansbury's training regime would have been an odd answer.

If you are pissed off at some of the unprofessional wasters we have had there in recent years then I agree with you. But I can't work out whether you are most annoyed that players who haven't played at the very top of the game aren't as awe inspiring to youngsters as some who has. Or whether you are just annoyed he came from Chelsea.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 22, 2018, 06:06:54 PM
I think the point being made is that John Terry despite winning what he has, and now in the twilight of his career still operates at a very high level where many other players (as a general statement) in their final years would coast. And that has been really well received at the club not just by other senior players who may have thought they were doing enough and have stepped things up, but critically it has had a positive influence on younger players, most notably Jack Grealish.

Terry had nothing to prove coming to us. Many saw it as an easy pay day for him. But clearly he hasn't seen it that way and is not only enjoying his football, is leaving a very positive impression on others at the club. Something that has been sorely missing.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: paul_e on March 22, 2018, 06:16:54 PM
So following your example, why weren't Round and Wyness talking about how its great to have Lansbury at the club who Grealish can look up to and learn from?  The logical answer would be that Lansbury isn't going above and beyond - so why not?  He's not in the team so he should be busting a gut to do so. 

If he is doing as you say, but Round and Wyness are only fawning over Terry I'd be pretty pissed off if I was Lansbury.  Wouldn't you?

If it's just that Terry's a role model because he's won trophies then why isn't Birkir a role model because he was part of an Iceland team that knocked England out of the Euros, or why isn't Hutton a role model because he's played in the Champions League?

I'm not getting shirty for no reason.  Chelsea players should be turning up at the Villa and being impressed at the fact they're at a proper, big club, not turning up showing the rest of the place up for it's unprofessionalism.

He was responding to a question about John Terry. Telling us about Lansbury's training regime would have been an odd answer.

If you are pissed off at some of the unprofessional wasters we have had there in recent years then I agree with you. But I can't work out whether you are most annoyed that players who haven't played at the very top of the game aren't as awe inspiring to youngsters as some who has. Or whether you are just annoyed he came from Chelsea.

I suspect the issue is that it shouldn't take someone coming in from a club like that to make us realise just how shit we've been when we've signed players with good reputations, etc.  I'd counter that with a suggestion that the reason Terry has all the trophies he has is because he has the sort of attitude that means he'll do more.  Most players will either do as much as they're asked to and nothing more or try to get away with doing less.  The ones that make it to the very top level of the game tend to do a lot more on top.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: cheltenhamlion on March 22, 2018, 07:16:37 PM
I think the point being made is that John Terry despite winning what he has, and now in the twilight of his career still operates at a very high level where many other players (as a general statement) in their final years would coast. And that has been really well received at the club not just by other senior players who may have thought they were doing enough and have stepped things up, but critically it has had a positive influence on younger players, most notably Jack Grealish.

Terry had nothing to prove coming to us. Many saw it as an easy pay day for him. But clearly he hasn't seen it that way and is not only enjoying his football, is leaving a very positive impression on others at the club. Something that has been sorely missing.

Agreed.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: cheltenhamlion on March 22, 2018, 07:26:34 PM
So following your example, why weren't Round and Wyness talking about how its great to have Lansbury at the club who Grealish can look up to and learn from?  The logical answer would be that Lansbury isn't going above and beyond - so why not?  He's not in the team so he should be busting a gut to do so. 

If he is doing as you say, but Round and Wyness are only fawning over Terry I'd be pretty pissed off if I was Lansbury.  Wouldn't you?

If it's just that Terry's a role model because he's won trophies then why isn't Birkir a role model because he was part of an Iceland team that knocked England out of the Euros, or why isn't Hutton a role model because he's played in the Champions League?

I'm not getting shirty for no reason.  Chelsea players should be turning up at the Villa and being impressed at the fact they're at a proper, big club, not turning up showing the rest of the place up for it's unprofessionalism.

He was responding to a question about John Terry. Telling us about Lansbury's training regime would have been an odd answer.

If you are pissed off at some of the unprofessional wasters we have had there in recent years then I agree with you. But I can't work out whether you are most annoyed that players who haven't played at the very top of the game aren't as awe inspiring to youngsters as some who has. Or whether you are just annoyed he came from Chelsea.

I suspect the issue is that it shouldn't take someone coming in from a club like that to make us realise just how shit we've been when we've signed players with good reputations, etc.  I'd counter that with a suggestion that the reason Terry has all the trophies he has is because he has the sort of attitude that means he'll do more.  Most players will either do as much as they're asked to and nothing more or try to get away with doing less.  The ones that make it to the very top level of the game tend to do a lot more on top.

Also agreed. If my Director is playing golf with a prospective business partner then I run the ship at work. Others of equal grade might not like that or me but shit gets done and nothing bad comes of it they might have to pick up upon their return.

But, when in charge, I am the first one into the office and the last to leave. I explain to quite junior members of staff what I am doing and why if they ask. My lot up their game to fill in for me and start asking for extra work they would avoid like the plague normally.

If someone you know well raises that bar then most follow and the useless shits you already know about will regress. I don't like John Terry as a bloke and never will. But I do understand how setting an example to seasoned Pro's might just drag a bit extra out of them. Whether on the training pitch (write a technical training pack for a new starter) or them thinking "I cod do more to take this youngster under my wing, show them how to succeed and share the pit falls I had fighting the world ten years ago".

It must be a good thing.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Meanwood Villa on March 22, 2018, 07:38:35 PM
I am suprised Terry only has 78 england caps

Was behind Campbell and Ferdinand for a few years then he didn't play while the him being a racist thing was being investigated.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: JUAN PABLO on March 22, 2018, 08:44:10 PM
I am suprised Terry only has 78 england caps

Was behind Campbell and Ferdinand for a few years then he didn't play while the him being a racist thing was being investigated.

fair enough I noticed Ashley Cole got 30 more
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: cheltenhamlion on March 22, 2018, 08:49:42 PM
I am suprised Terry only has 78 england caps

Was behind Campbell and Ferdinand for a few years then he didn't play while the him being a racist thing was being investigated.

fair enough I noticed Ashley Cole got 30 more

He was just married to a racist!
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Diablo on March 23, 2018, 01:53:54 PM
I am suprised Terry only has 78 england caps

Was behind Campbell and Ferdinand for a few years then he didn't play while the him being a racist thing was being investigated.

fair enough I noticed Ashley Cole got 30 more

He was just married to a racist!
Useless bit of info but Cheryl was apparently seeing Kieron Dyer on the quiet when that alleged racist toilet incident took place. In a recent interview he said that it was absolute nonsense/bollocks and there was no way she was racist but wasn't able to say at the time because their affair was all hush hush.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Steve67 on April 22, 2018, 07:46:08 PM
We have looked quite solid with Jedinak at the back in the last few games.  Terry is said to be on 60k a week, even if we don't go up, I think Terry's legs are going quickly and think we should should part company at the end of the season.  Great for the dressing room, really professional and worth keeping on, on the coaching side, but for me, not as a player, especially if we can spend his salary wisely. If we DO go up this season, I still think the same applies. 
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chris Jameson on April 22, 2018, 08:29:08 PM
Have we conceded a goal whilst the number 26 hasn’t been playing?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: paul_e on April 22, 2018, 08:32:08 PM
Have we conceded a goal whilst the number 26 hasn’t been playing?

Nope, 3 clean sheets in a row since he picked up his knock.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 22, 2018, 08:47:24 PM
Jedinak can do a job there but he also did have a shocker against Sheffield United before xmas with people screaming blue murder on here if he was ever picked at CB again.

Need Terry fit for the play offs.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Lastfootstamper on April 22, 2018, 09:20:56 PM
Horses for courses. Against the more direct sides, Jedinak is okay there. Otherwise, Terry's nous in the position is almost peerless.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Edvard Remberg on April 23, 2018, 01:50:52 PM
So following your example, why weren't Round and Wyness talking about how its great to have Lansbury at the club who Grealish can look up to and learn from?  The logical answer would be that Lansbury isn't going above and beyond - so why not?  He's not in the team so he should be busting a gut to do so. 

If he is doing as you say, but Round and Wyness are only fawning over Terry I'd be pretty pissed off if I was Lansbury.  Wouldn't you?

If it's just that Terry's a role model because he's won trophies then why isn't Birkir a role model because he was part of an Iceland team that knocked England out of the Euros, or why isn't Hutton a role model because he's played in the Champions League?

I'm not getting shirty for no reason.  Chelsea players should be turning up at the Villa and being impressed at the fact they're at a proper, big club, not turning up showing the rest of the place up for it's unprofessionalism.

He was responding to a question about John Terry. Telling us about Lansbury's training regime would have been an odd answer.

If you are pissed off at some of the unprofessional wasters we have had there in recent years then I agree with you. But I can't work out whether you are most annoyed that players who haven't played at the very top of the game aren't as awe inspiring to youngsters as some who has. Or whether you are just annoyed he came from Chelsea.

I suspect the issue is that it shouldn't take someone coming in from a club like that to make us realise just how shit we've been when we've signed players with good reputations, etc.  I'd counter that with a suggestion that the reason Terry has all the trophies he has is because he has the sort of attitude that means he'll do more.  Most players will either do as much as they're asked to and nothing more or try to get away with doing less.  The ones that make it to the very top level of the game tend to do a lot more on top.

Also agreed. If my Director is playing golf with a prospective business partner then I run the ship at work. Others of equal grade might not like that or me but shit gets done and nothing bad comes of it they might have to pick up upon their return.

But, when in charge, I am the first one into the office and the last to leave. I explain to quite junior members of staff what I am doing and why if they ask. My lot up their game to fill in for me and start asking for extra work they would avoid like the plague normally.

If someone you know well raises that bar then most follow and the useless shits you already know about will regress. I don't like John Terry as a bloke and never will. But I do understand how setting an example to seasoned Pro's might just drag a bit extra out of them. Whether on the training pitch (write a technical training pack for a new starter) or them thinking "I cod do more to take this youngster under my wing, show them how to succeed and share the pit falls I had fighting the world ten years ago".

It must be a good thing.
Stop BS'ing... You love JT - said so from the start, even ordering a shirt for the Derby game with 26 on the back.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Gregorys Boy on April 23, 2018, 02:24:16 PM
The last few results and clean sheets prove that Terry isn't the god the media would like you to believe.  In other words if we go up, he would have played a part, but it is just one part.  We are far from a one man team. 
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chris Jameson on April 23, 2018, 03:29:25 PM
Didn't we put together a decent run when the number 26 was out injured earlier in the season, or am I just making that up because I don't like him?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: paul_e on April 23, 2018, 04:12:15 PM
Not really, it started off ok but then we went 5 without a win.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 23, 2018, 10:46:38 PM
League games only

With him W16 D7 L8
Without   W8 D3 L2
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: brontebilly on April 23, 2018, 10:52:36 PM
I am suprised Terry only has 78 england caps

Was behind Campbell and Ferdinand for a few years then he didn't play while the him being a racist thing was being investigated.

England had quality options back then at centre back, Ledley King was superb too when fit, even Carragher was very solid at club level.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: olaftab on April 23, 2018, 11:40:31 PM
League games only

With him W16 D7 L8
Without   W8 D3 L2
So without Terry we would have been top of the table.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: tomd2103 on April 23, 2018, 11:59:32 PM
The last few results and clean sheets prove that Terry isn't the god the media would like you to believe.  In other words if we go up, he would have played a part, but it is just one part.  We are far from a one man team.

He has had a good season, but I still think we could have got someone in who could have done equally as well for a lot less money. 
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Matt Collins on April 24, 2018, 07:59:33 AM
Maybe

I do think a lot of what he does is minimum fuss stuff though. It’s his positioning to anticipate the cross etc.

I can’t imagine anyone is sayin we shouldn’t have sold Baker how are they? I liked him, but he’s not that good
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: cheltenhamlion on April 24, 2018, 08:18:24 AM
So following your example, why weren't Round and Wyness talking about how its great to have Lansbury at the club who Grealish can look up to and learn from?  The logical answer would be that Lansbury isn't going above and beyond - so why not?  He's not in the team so he should be busting a gut to do so. 

If he is doing as you say, but Round and Wyness are only fawning over Terry I'd be pretty pissed off if I was Lansbury.  Wouldn't you?

If it's just that Terry's a role model because he's won trophies then why isn't Birkir a role model because he was part of an Iceland team that knocked England out of the Euros, or why isn't Hutton a role model because he's played in the Champions League?

I'm not getting shirty for no reason.  Chelsea players should be turning up at the Villa and being impressed at the fact they're at a proper, big club, not turning up showing the rest of the place up for it's unprofessionalism.

He was responding to a question about John Terry. Telling us about Lansbury's training regime would have been an odd answer.

If you are pissed off at some of the unprofessional wasters we have had there in recent years then I agree with you. But I can't work out whether you are most annoyed that players who haven't played at the very top of the game aren't as awe inspiring to youngsters as some who has. Or whether you are just annoyed he came from Chelsea.

I suspect the issue is that it shouldn't take someone coming in from a club like that to make us realise just how shit we've been when we've signed players with good reputations, etc.  I'd counter that with a suggestion that the reason Terry has all the trophies he has is because he has the sort of attitude that means he'll do more.  Most players will either do as much as they're asked to and nothing more or try to get away with doing less.  The ones that make it to the very top level of the game tend to do a lot more on top.

Also agreed. If my Director is playing golf with a prospective business partner then I run the ship at work. Others of equal grade might not like that or me but shit gets done and nothing bad comes of it they might have to pick up upon their return.

But, when in charge, I am the first one into the office and the last to leave. I explain to quite junior members of staff what I am doing and why if they ask. My lot up their game to fill in for me and start asking for extra work they would avoid like the plague normally.

If someone you know well raises that bar then most follow and the useless shits you already know about will regress. I don't like John Terry as a bloke and never will. But I do understand how setting an example to seasoned Pro's might just drag a bit extra out of them. Whether on the training pitch (write a technical training pack for a new starter) or them thinking "I cod do more to take this youngster under my wing, show them how to succeed and share the pit falls I had fighting the world ten years ago".

It must be a good thing.
Stop BS'ing... You love JT - said so from the start, even ordering a shirt for the Derby game with 26 on the back.

We need to be promoted. He needs to play 30 games. And you lot buy the shirt was the deal.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: brontebilly on April 24, 2018, 09:36:57 AM
Maybe

I do think a lot of what he does is minimum fuss stuff though. It’s his positioning to anticipate the cross etc.

I can’t imagine anyone is sayin we shouldn’t have sold Baker how are they? I liked him, but he’s not that good

His ability to play out from the back has transformed our play, Chester is very good on the ball too, either are comfortable stepping out to play a three in midfield. I dont think its any coincidence that players around Terry improve aswell, Johnstone, Chester and Hutton to mention three.

Means we can afford to have a clogger, admittedly an effective one, Whelan or Jedinak in the side. Hourihane isnt one to go looking for the ball off the back either
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: AsTallAsLions on April 24, 2018, 09:45:02 AM
Maybe

I do think a lot of what he does is minimum fuss stuff though. It’s his positioning to anticipate the cross etc.

I can’t imagine anyone is sayin we shouldn’t have sold Baker how are they? I liked him, but he’s not that good

His ability to play out from the back has transformed our play, Chester is very good on the ball too, either are comfortable stepping out to play a three in midfield. I dont think its any coincidence that players around Terry improve aswell, Johnstone, Chester and Hutton to mention three.

Means we can afford to have a clogger, admittedly an effective one, Whelan or Jedinak in the side. Hourihane isnt one to go looking for the ball off the back either

Agree with this wholeheartedly, and with Matt's comment about Baker. There was a point this season where I thought, f**k me, what have we done setting ourselves up with the slowest possible centre-halves / non-centre-halves to cover the berth beside Chester (pick one from Terry/Samba/Jedinak), but that's what this league is, and in fairness to Bruce it has worked. I don't think our overall defensive play (including the midfield here) has been superb at times, but I don't think that the lack of pace in the centre has been our problem.

I think it's mostly been the likes of Taylor at full-back and mistakes from those sitting in front of the back four - namely Whelan - coupled with the inability of our CMs to retain the ball under any kind of pressure. Our CBs, including Terry, have largely been as solid as you can ask for really.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Risso on April 24, 2018, 11:41:10 AM
We've been lucky though that Chester has played every game, and until recently Terry has only really had one spell being out.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Edvard Remberg on April 24, 2018, 12:00:27 PM
So following your example, why weren't Round and Wyness talking about how its great to have Lansbury at the club who Grealish can look up to and learn from?  The logical answer would be that Lansbury isn't going above and beyond - so why not?  He's not in the team so he should be busting a gut to do so. 

If he is doing as you say, but Round and Wyness are only fawning over Terry I'd be pretty pissed off if I was Lansbury.  Wouldn't you?

If it's just that Terry's a role model because he's won trophies then why isn't Birkir a role model because he was part of an Iceland team that knocked England out of the Euros, or why isn't Hutton a role model because he's played in the Champions League?

I'm not getting shirty for no reason.  Chelsea players should be turning up at the Villa and being impressed at the fact they're at a proper, big club, not turning up showing the rest of the place up for it's unprofessionalism.

He was responding to a question about John Terry. Telling us about Lansbury's training regime would have been an odd answer.

If you are pissed off at some of the unprofessional wasters we have had there in recent years then I agree with you. But I can't work out whether you are most annoyed that players who haven't played at the very top of the game aren't as awe inspiring to youngsters as some who has. Or whether you are just annoyed he came from Chelsea.

I suspect the issue is that it shouldn't take someone coming in from a club like that to make us realise just how shit we've been when we've signed players with good reputations, etc.  I'd counter that with a suggestion that the reason Terry has all the trophies he has is because he has the sort of attitude that means he'll do more.  Most players will either do as much as they're asked to and nothing more or try to get away with doing less.  The ones that make it to the very top level of the game tend to do a lot more on top.

Also agreed. If my Director is playing golf with a prospective business partner then I run the ship at work. Others of equal grade might not like that or me but shit gets done and nothing bad comes of it they might have to pick up upon their return.

But, when in charge, I am the first one into the office and the last to leave. I explain to quite junior members of staff what I am doing and why if they ask. My lot up their game to fill in for me and start asking for extra work they would avoid like the plague normally.

If someone you know well raises that bar then most follow and the useless shits you already know about will regress. I don't like John Terry as a bloke and never will. But I do understand how setting an example to seasoned Pro's might just drag a bit extra out of them. Whether on the training pitch (write a technical training pack for a new starter) or them thinking "I cod do more to take this youngster under my wing, show them how to succeed and share the pit falls I had fighting the world ten years ago".

It must be a good thing.
Stop BS'ing... You love JT - said so from the start, even ordering a shirt for the Derby game with 26 on the back.

We need to be promoted. He needs to play 30 games. And you lot buy the shirt was the deal.
He has played 31 games - and no way the "promoted" thing was on, as the last home game, we wouldn't know that. And why would you gain from losing a bet having a shirt with your idol on the back?

(smug grin)
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Tuscans on April 24, 2018, 12:15:21 PM
Good interview between JT and Jim White on talksport right now. Loving life at Villa right now, thinks the away support is just incredible, feels really welcomed by everyone in the city.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chris Jameson on April 24, 2018, 12:42:37 PM
League games only

With him W16 D7 L8
Without   W8 D3 L2
So without Terry we would have been top of the table.

The number 26 OUT!
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Damo70 on April 24, 2018, 02:51:39 PM
Good interview between JT and Jim White on talksport right now. Loving life at Villa right now, thinks the away support is just incredible, feels really welcomed by everyone in the city.

The interview is on the Talksport website now. You can listen to it and/or read it.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: kieron on April 24, 2018, 03:34:20 PM
https://talksport.com/football/john-terry-continue-playing-career-aston-villa-former-chelsea-captain-speaks-exclusively
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 28, 2018, 08:36:55 PM
The very intentional pass to set up Grabban's goal was just superb
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Ad@m on April 28, 2018, 10:15:50 PM
The very intentional pass to set up Grabban's goal was just superb

Too right.  Shows the calibre of the player - almost everyone else on the pitch would've panicked in that situation but he just controlled it with one foot and played a perfect pass with the other, all in the fraction of a second.  It's why he was world class for so long.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: AsTallAsLions on April 28, 2018, 10:44:07 PM
The very intentional pass to set up Grabban's goal was just superb

Too right.  Shows the calibre of the player - almost everyone else on the pitch would've panicked in that situation but he just controlled it with one foot and played a perfect pass with the other, all in the fraction of a second.  It's why he was world class for so long.

Remember though - we'd be top of the table without Terry allegedly...
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chris Jameson on April 29, 2018, 12:38:03 PM
Started conceding and dropping points now the number 26 is back.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: saunders_heroes on April 29, 2018, 12:43:16 PM
The very intentional pass to set up Grabban's goal was just superb

Yep, touch of class that.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Ad@m on April 29, 2018, 02:38:07 PM
Started conceding and dropping points now the number 26 is back.

Not sure if that's tongue in cheek but the sole reason for dropping points yesterday was Neil fucking Taylor. If I never see him in a Villa kit again it'll be too soon.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Risso on April 29, 2018, 06:02:03 PM
Started conceding and dropping points now the number 26 is back.

Not sure if that's tongue in cheek but the sole reason for doing points yesterday was Neil fucking Taylor. If I never see him in a Villa kit again it'll be too soon.

He's rubbish isn't he?  A brief look at Swansea fans' comments when we got him was enough to be warned what a poor player we were getting.  I can think of no worse criticism when I say that he's almost as bad as Cissokho.  It's scarcely believable that a 33 year old Alan Hutton playing out of position is at least twice as good as him.  It seemed to me at the Ipswich game that even when he was in acres of space, that the midfield would all actively avoid passing to him.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chris Jameson on April 29, 2018, 10:12:55 PM
Just seen the goal from yesterday, granted I’m no fan of his but I was expecting something more than the ball bobbling a few inches sideways for the pass after the comments here!
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 29, 2018, 11:03:48 PM
Just seen the goal from yesterday, granted I’m no fan of his but I was expecting something more than the ball bobbling a few inches sideways for the pass after the comments here!

If only if what he did in the moment was that simple. We get it Chris you don’t like him.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: tomd2103 on April 29, 2018, 11:26:17 PM
https://talksport.com/football/john-terry-continue-playing-career-aston-villa-former-chelsea-captain-speaks-exclusively

I just think the injuries he has had this season might factor in to his decision to be honest.  If (and it is a massive if) we win the play offs, he might decide that would be a good point to call it a day. 
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: paul_e on April 29, 2018, 11:37:22 PM
Just seen the goal from yesterday, granted I’m no fan of his but I was expecting something more than the ball bobbling a few inches sideways for the pass after the comments here!

If only if what he did in the moment was that simple. We get it Chris you don’t like him.

In all honesty I think it's somewhere in the middle.  What he did is what I'd expect from most players (and certainly any defender) in that position but far too often you see players get a rush of blood and try to lash it into the top corner instead of playing the lay off for a tap in.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chris Jameson on April 30, 2018, 09:29:31 AM
Is it that obvious?! Seriously though, it underwhelmed me when I saw it.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: darren woolley on April 30, 2018, 09:31:14 AM
I hope he stays for at least another season.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Lastfootstamper on April 30, 2018, 10:13:24 AM
I hope he stays for at least another season.

I know that there's a high likelihood that this'll get me booted off the site, but.... I disagree.

I hope we've signed someone better, because we could now afford them.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Drummond on April 30, 2018, 11:38:46 AM
I hope he stays for at least another season.

I know that there's a high likelihood that this'll get me booted off the site, but.... I disagree.

I hope we've signed someone better, because we could now afford them.

Ban him! Lynch him!
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: AsTallAsLions on April 30, 2018, 11:48:22 AM
Just seen the goal from yesterday, granted I’m no fan of his but I was expecting something more than the ball bobbling a few inches sideways for the pass after the comments here!

If only if what he did in the moment was that simple. We get it Chris you don’t like him.

In all honesty I think it's somewhere in the middle.  What he did is what I'd expect from most players (and certainly any defender) in that position but far too often you see players get a rush of blood and try to lash it into the top corner instead of playing the lay off for a tap in.

Agreed. I'm what you'd call, I suppose, a Terry "fan" now, but that touch just showed his experience and a level head.

Those are the two things that he's offered us this season which, in my opinion, we'd have been a lot worse off without.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: London Villan on April 30, 2018, 12:48:18 PM
I hated Terry before he signed, but on the pitch he has been class and a joy to watch. I am surprised about the results with and without him though. Stats? Or something in it?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Simon Page on April 30, 2018, 01:22:40 PM
For me it was a joy. Everyone else is falling on their arse and wildly swinging at anything that moves, yet he just calmly took it all in and played it perfectly. It's probably as much of a commentary on the lack of composure of most players as it is a moment of sublime skill.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Richard E on May 04, 2018, 04:30:41 PM
He's confirmed that his contract provides for him to stay for another year if we get promotion.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Louzie0 on May 05, 2018, 01:06:09 AM
https://talksport.com/football/john-terry-continue-playing-career-aston-villa-former-chelsea-captain-speaks-exclusively
This is a really nice interview from JT.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: wittonwarrior on May 05, 2018, 07:57:31 PM
To be fair he was damaged goods before signing for us.  His anti social behaviour and gambling rumours have done him no favours. 

He is obviously looking to pursue a career in the game after retirement so has had to be sqeeky clean. 

Saying  all of the above until he was injured before Christmas was proper class and since his return has  been good if not quite as assured as he was pre-injury
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Alinushavfc on May 06, 2018, 03:33:35 AM
JT îs here for another season.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Steve67 on May 06, 2018, 05:28:29 AM
I wouldn't be in the least bit surprised if Steve Bruce stepped down, due to the tremendously bad family experience the poor bloke has suffered this season.  I don't think any of us could blame him. If we are still in the Championship, Terry gets the gig for continuity reasons. If we go up, probably not.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Ad@m on May 06, 2018, 07:22:31 AM
I'd rather we didn't go back to the days of being a training ground for crap and/or inexperienced managers.

We're Aston Villa - to manage us should be the pinnacle of most managers careers, not an easy place to learn your trade.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chris Jameson on May 07, 2018, 05:09:08 PM
If Villa go up and he does stay, Villa at Stamford Bridge will be the most vomit inducing match in the club's history should the number 26 allow himself to be selected.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: achilles on May 07, 2018, 06:01:54 PM
If Villa go up and he does stay, Villa at Stamford Bridge will be the most vomit inducing match in the club's history should the number 26 allow himself to be selected.

He has always said that he won't play against Chelsea.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: frank black on May 07, 2018, 07:06:33 PM
I would rather he stayed if we don’t go up, rather than if we do.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: saunders_heroes on May 07, 2018, 09:10:07 PM
I hope he stays for at least another season.

Me too.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chris Jameson on May 07, 2018, 11:21:07 PM
If Villa go up and he does stay, Villa at Stamford Bridge will be the most vomit inducing match in the club's history should the number 26 allow himself to be selected.

He has always said that he won't play against Chelsea.

Excellent, if we go up we get rid of him in that case. If we don’t, we should get rid of him just in case we get them in the cup.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: German James on May 07, 2018, 11:29:30 PM
If Villa go up and he does stay, Villa at Stamford Bridge will be the most vomit inducing match in the club's history should the number 26 allow himself to be selected.

He has always said that he won't play against Chelsea.

Excellent, if we go up we get rid of him in that case. If we don’t, we should get rid of him just in case we get them in the cup.
Did you actually explain on here somewhere why you hate him quite as much as you do? If so, could you repeat it, because it interests me, but not enough to go and look through the whole thread...
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: sickbeggar on May 08, 2018, 06:53:02 AM
Some people need a pantomime villain in their life i guess, even if he's not living up to the media's version of the myth. Hope he stays if we go up. Although time is catching up with him he's gotta be worth having for his experience and to steady the ship. We really need to bring in a partner for chester with Terry as cover in an ideal world. If we don't go up then possibly his wages could be better spent on funding a younger centre half because him being available to play anywhere near 46 games in the championship is pushing it.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chris Jameson on May 08, 2018, 07:25:30 AM
I just hate him, number of reasons, he’s not my ‘pantomime villain’. I wish he wasn’t a Villan though.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: manic-road on May 08, 2018, 07:29:32 AM
I hope he stays, his distribution is the best from a Villa centre half I have seen for a few years, also his organisational and leadership skills. I would rather keep him than go for a younger player who is not as good.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: JJ-AV on May 08, 2018, 07:40:48 AM
He's made such an impact this season that I hope he stays another year regardless of what happens. Look at how much Chester and Johnstone have improved playing alongside him. Even if he can only play 10-15 games next season I'd keep him as I'm sure even as a bit-part player he'd be a positive influence.

I almost feel he's less likely to stay in the Championship. We're likely to be skint next season and will still have Richards and McCormack on the wage bill earning about 100k a week between them.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: old man villa fan on May 09, 2018, 09:14:21 AM
It would be interesting to see if he could develop as a coach.  He has motivation, reads the game quite well and understands the need to be able to play the ball from the back.  I never thought that he looked like a top player as he looked awkward but he performed at the top for a long time.  I think he was a 'sum of all the parts' type player rather than a 'natural'.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: cheadlevilla on May 09, 2018, 11:18:34 AM
I do think hes got a good shout of being in charge at some point!  I have no idea if he's done or doing his badges but that seems not to be an issue for some
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: tomd2103 on May 09, 2018, 12:03:22 PM
I would rather he stayed if we don’t go up, rather than if we do.

Not sure we would be able to afford him if we don't go up and it might be time then to look at a younger model anyway.  I think his experience would be vital if we went up though and would look to keep him for another year.  He wouldn't play every game, so we would be able to bring through a younger defender through the course of the season. 
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: berneboy on May 10, 2018, 06:24:42 PM
JT in his video for the club today said James Chester is RollsRoyce and Jack will be a star for England if he keeps up his progress.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: AsTallAsLions on May 10, 2018, 06:32:14 PM
I do think hes got a good shout of being in charge at some point!  I have no idea if he's done or doing his badges but that seems not to be an issue for some

He's doing his badges at the moment and seems to be quite diligent about it.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: andyh on May 10, 2018, 08:36:24 PM
https://youtu.be/TAGwVNBk5v8

An excellent interview with him.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on May 11, 2018, 08:18:05 AM
It's a great interview.  I know some people will never change their minds, but it is really difficult to fault his character, commitment or ability since he joined.  He really has been an excellent signing.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: AsTallAsLions on May 11, 2018, 08:55:05 AM
It's a great interview.  I know some people will never change their minds, but it is really difficult to fault his character, commitment or ability since he joined.  He really has been an excellent signing.

No, he's the devil incarnate. So says Chris Jameson.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: old man villa fan on May 11, 2018, 09:08:19 AM
I do think hes got a good shout of being in charge at some point!  I have no idea if he's done or doing his badges but that seems not to be an issue for some

He's doing his badges at the moment and seems to be quite diligent about it.

At the end of the day he can pass courses but it depends on his natural ability, man management and ideas as to whether he will make a good coach/manager.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: JD on May 11, 2018, 09:38:53 AM
https://youtu.be/TAGwVNBk5v8

An excellent interview with him.

That was a great interview.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: JD on May 11, 2018, 09:41:38 AM
It's a great interview.  I know some people will never change their minds, but it is really difficult to fault his character, commitment or ability since he joined.  He really has been an excellent signing.

No, he's the devil incarnate. So says Chris Jameson.

Chris has his reasons and I admire him for sticking by them. He has explained his reasons on more than one occasion. Instead you are lazy and try and troll other users ATAL, its not a nice thing to do and its not clever.   
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: darren woolley on May 11, 2018, 09:44:50 AM
I just hate him, number of reasons, he’s not my ‘pantomime villain’. I wish he wasn’t a Villan though.

He hasn't slept with your wife as he.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: darren woolley on May 11, 2018, 09:48:38 AM
That was just a joke Chris.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: AsTallAsLions on May 11, 2018, 10:36:41 AM
It's a great interview.  I know some people will never change their minds, but it is really difficult to fault his character, commitment or ability since he joined.  He really has been an excellent signing.

No, he's the devil incarnate. So says Chris Jameson.

Chris has his reasons and I admire him for sticking by them. He has explained his reasons on more than one occasion. Instead you are lazy and try and troll other users ATAL, its not a nice thing to do and its not clever.   

Yawn. In your own words JD - get a sense of humour.

Maybe Chris can explain again as I've never heard his reasons. I can probably guess at them though. Whatever he did in the past I think John has earned the respect of Villa fans. Except for Chris of course. Because of reasons.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on May 11, 2018, 10:51:32 AM
Give it a fucking rest will you
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: JD on May 11, 2018, 10:54:51 AM
It's a great interview.  I know some people will never change their minds, but it is really difficult to fault his character, commitment or ability since he joined.  He really has been an excellent signing.

No, he's the devil incarnate. So says Chris Jameson.

Chris has his reasons and I admire him for sticking by them. He has explained his reasons on more than one occasion. Instead you are lazy and try and troll other users ATAL, its not a nice thing to do and its not clever.   

Yawn. In your own words JD - get a sense of humour.

Maybe Chris can explain again as I've never heard his reasons. I can probably guess at them though. Whatever he did in the past I think John has earned the respect of Villa fans. Except for Chris of course. Because of reasons.

ATAL just stop trolling other people. You are becoming a boring little shit and to be frank you are neither funny or intelligent. If you want to know just PM Chris instead of trying to be smart and clever, because you are neither of them. 
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: AsTallAsLions on May 11, 2018, 11:03:03 AM
It's a great interview.  I know some people will never change their minds, but it is really difficult to fault his character, commitment or ability since he joined.  He really has been an excellent signing.

No, he's the devil incarnate. So says Chris Jameson.

Chris has his reasons and I admire him for sticking by them. He has explained his reasons on more than one occasion. Instead you are lazy and try and troll other users ATAL, its not a nice thing to do and its not clever.   

Yawn. In your own words JD - get a sense of humour.

Maybe Chris can explain again as I've never heard his reasons. I can probably guess at them though. Whatever he did in the past I think John has earned the respect of Villa fans. Except for Chris of course. Because of reasons.

ATAL just stop trolling other people. You are becoming a boring little shit and to be frank you are neither funny or intelligent. If you want to know just PM Chris instead of trying to be smart and clever, because you are neither of them. 

Not trolling in the slightest. No need for the personal attack at all.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: mr underhill on May 11, 2018, 11:12:53 AM
of course there is - you're getting on people's tits.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: AsTallAsLions on May 11, 2018, 11:16:16 AM
of course there is - you're getting on people's tits.

But not intentionally. I'm disagreeing with Chris's self-professed "hate" of our captain, and because some don't like my message they've resorted to name-calling. Didn't realise there were different rules for some.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 11, 2018, 11:25:13 AM
of course there is - you're getting on people's tits.

But not intentionally. I'm disagreeing with Chris's self-professed "hate" of our captain, and because some don't like my message they've resorted to name-calling. Didn't realise there were different rules for some.

Would you say you've ever "resorted to name calling?"
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: AsTallAsLions on May 11, 2018, 11:29:06 AM
of course there is - you're getting on people's tits.

But not intentionally. I'm disagreeing with Chris's self-professed "hate" of our captain, and because some don't like my message they've resorted to name-calling. Didn't realise there were different rules for some.

Would you say you've ever "resorted to name calling?"

Assuming this is a genuine question rather than making a rhetorical point - if ever I have, it's been dealt with appropriately.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 11, 2018, 11:32:52 AM
of course there is - you're getting on people's tits.

But not intentionally. I'm disagreeing with Chris's self-professed "hate" of our captain, and because some don't like my message they've resorted to name-calling. Didn't realise there were different rules for some.

Would you say you've ever "resorted to name calling?"

Assuming this is a genuine question rather than making a rhetorical point - if ever I have, it's been dealt with appropriately.

First of all you haven't - and I could bring up a couple about me for a start that were so childish they were best ignored. Second, when so many other posters are telling you to stop doing something, there's a good chance that it's you, not them, that are in the wrong. 
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: AsTallAsLions on May 11, 2018, 11:47:22 AM
of course there is - you're getting on people's tits.

But not intentionally. I'm disagreeing with Chris's self-professed "hate" of our captain, and because some don't like my message they've resorted to name-calling. Didn't realise there were different rules for some.

Would you say you've ever "resorted to name calling?"

Assuming this is a genuine question rather than making a rhetorical point - if ever I have, it's been dealt with appropriately.

First of all you haven't - and I could bring up a couple about me for a start that were so childish they were best ignored. Second, when so many other posters are telling you to stop doing something, there's a good chance that it's you, not them, that are in the wrong. 

Such as?

I've already duly PM'ed Mr. Jameson to get his side of the story re: Terry, but you're taking this to a different place now. Perhaps if I am so much in the wrong here, you could do the same and send me a message so we can discuss.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: mr underhill on May 11, 2018, 12:05:09 PM
perhaps it might be better to put the spade back in the shed and move on?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 11, 2018, 12:07:13 PM
I don't intend to 'discuss' anything with a poster who's been told by several others to moderate their behaviour and who insists they've done nothing wrong. But here's something to be going on with.

Woodhall is going to have an aneurysm defending the manager and coaches on this one.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: AsTallAsLions on May 11, 2018, 12:17:14 PM
I don't intend to 'discuss' anything with a poster who's been told by several others to moderate their behaviour and who insists they've done nothing wrong. But here's something to be going on with.

Woodhall is going to have an aneurysm defending the manager and coaches on this one.


That's not name-calling or even remotely close to being called a 'little shit'.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: SheffieldVillain on May 11, 2018, 12:19:36 PM
I don't intend to 'discuss' anything with a poster who's been told by several others to moderate their behaviour and who insists they've done nothing wrong. But here's something to be going on with.

Woodhall is going to have an aneurysm defending the manager and coaches on this one.


That's not name-calling or even remotely close to being called a 'little shit'.

It's another example of your trolling though isn't it?

Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: AsTallAsLions on May 11, 2018, 12:22:48 PM
I don't intend to 'discuss' anything with a poster who's been told by several others to moderate their behaviour and who insists they've done nothing wrong. But here's something to be going on with.

Woodhall is going to have an aneurysm defending the manager and coaches on this one.


That's not name-calling or even remotely close to being called a 'little shit'.

It's another example of your trolling though isn't it?



Absolute madness is what it is. The humanity! They'd have your arms in some countries for typing that.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Tony Erdington on May 11, 2018, 12:26:56 PM
John Terry has been a model professional at the Villa, if anyone remembers the title of this thread.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: john e on May 11, 2018, 12:47:38 PM
I don't intend to 'discuss' anything with a poster who's been told by several others to moderate their behaviour and who insists they've done nothing wrong. But here's something to be going on with.

Quote from: AsTallAsLions link=topic=58359.msg3389686#msg3389686 date=1519488pp859
Woodhall is going to have an aneurysm defending the manager and coaches on this one.


That's not name-calling or even remotely close to being called a 'little shit'.

it's not close,
talking about someone having aneurism is far lower and warped than calling someone a little shit
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: SheffieldVillain on May 11, 2018, 12:51:19 PM
I don't intend to 'discuss' anything with a poster who's been told by several others to moderate their behaviour and who insists they've done nothing wrong. But here's something to be going on with.

Woodhall is going to have an aneurysm defending the manager and coaches on this one.


That's not name-calling or even remotely close to being called a 'little shit'.

It's another example of your trolling though isn't it?



Absolute madness is what it is. The humanity! They'd have your arms in some countries for typing that.

I refer you back to JDs points.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Drummond on May 11, 2018, 01:03:10 PM
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Hookeysmith on May 11, 2018, 01:32:27 PM
I cannot think of a better leader I would want at our club going into the next couple of games.

He may have lost a bit of pace in his legs but his football brain is superb

Question:

Although none achieved with us (yet) is he the most medals won player to have played for us?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: mr underhill on May 11, 2018, 01:33:42 PM
ATAL strikes me as being more lupus than leo
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: IAmTheOneIanOlney on May 11, 2018, 01:41:14 PM

Question:

Although none achieved with us (yet) is he the most medals won player to have played for us?
Has to be him or Schmeichel.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on May 11, 2018, 01:42:18 PM
I cannot think of a better leader I would want at our club going into the next couple of games.

He may have lost a bit of pace in his legs but his football brain is superb

Question:

Although none achieved with us (yet) is he the most medals won player to have played for us?

Schmeichel?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on May 11, 2018, 02:42:10 PM


Got to be Schmeichel. Pires may have a few as well, including a World Cup
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 11, 2018, 02:53:24 PM


Got to be Schmeichel. Pires may have a few as well, including a World Cup

Pires didn't win that many. If you include all domestic trophies (not including Charity Shield-type one-offs) Schmeichel just edges out Terry.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Lastfootstamper on May 11, 2018, 03:03:10 PM
While trying to delve deep into our history to see if any of our Victorians would have amassed a fair few, I stumbled across two records we still hold.

Most FA Cup goals conceded: 539: Aston Villa.
Not normally a cause for celebration, but...
Highest FA Cup goal difference: +305: Aston Villa.
Which by my maths puts us level with Kettering on record goals scored, too.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Ad@m on May 11, 2018, 03:49:40 PM
While trying to delve deep into our history to see if any of our Victorians would have amassed a fair few, I stumbled across two records we still hold.

Most FA Cup goals conceded: 539: Aston Villa.
Not normally a cause for celebration, but...
Highest FA Cup goal difference: +305: Aston Villa.
Which by my maths puts us level with Kettering on record goals scored, too.

Eh?

Surely if we've conceded the most and have the highest goal difference we must be on our own as having scored the most too?  How can Kettering be level with us if they've conceded fewer and have a lower goal difference?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Lastfootstamper on May 11, 2018, 04:02:32 PM
That hadn't occurred to me, but you're right, how can it be?

If Wikipedia is wrong, can I trust no one?

All rounds   Edit
Most FA Cup goals scored: 844: Kettering town[36]
Most FA Cup goals conceded: 539: Aston Villa.[36]
Highest FA Cup goal difference: +305: Aston Villa.[36] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_records_in_England)
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: TB on May 11, 2018, 04:28:07 PM
According to the archived copy (from October 2016) of the source Wikipedia references, Kettering Town should be listed with the record "Worst FA Cup Goal Difference (-92).

Most FA Cup goals scored should read: 844: Aston Villa.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Ad@m on May 11, 2018, 04:51:30 PM
If Wikipedia is wrong, can I trust no one?

Welcome to the post-truth world!  I thought Brexit and Donald Trump's election were the pinnacle of disinformation but this is a whole new level!!!
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: clash city rocker on May 11, 2018, 05:41:26 PM
Just hope that in a month's time Terry''s biggest worry is that he might have to play in  a villa shirt next season at Chelsea in a league game.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Villafirst on May 11, 2018, 06:36:37 PM
Great interview with JT on the official site. So committed and huge desire to still win.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chris Jameson on May 11, 2018, 06:47:31 PM
ATAL, many thanks for your message. It’s none of your fucking business is the answer. Maybe if you travel through posts from the past few years you will find the answer you clearly crave.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: LeeB on May 11, 2018, 06:55:31 PM
ATAL, many thanks for your message. It’s none of your fucking business is the answer. Maybe if you travel through posts from the past few years you will find the answer you clearly crave.

Lol + applause.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: AsTallAsLions on May 11, 2018, 07:26:00 PM
ATAL, many thanks for your message. It’s none of your fucking business is the answer. Maybe if you travel through posts from the past few years you will find the answer you clearly crave.

Even the fact that you had to do that publicly speaks volumes, in response to an honest question submitted privately. It's not like I was asking a deeply personal question.

It might not be my business, but maybe don't tell the world with such zeal how much you hate the guy if you're not willing to explain.

Have a great evening.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chris Jameson on May 11, 2018, 07:39:50 PM
You’re clearly on some kind of wind up and I appear to be one of the posters you have fixated on for some bizarre reason. Is it because I said the quality control on recent King Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard albums appears to have dropped off?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: SheffieldVillain on May 11, 2018, 07:46:24 PM
ATAL, many thanks for your message. It’s none of your fucking business is the answer. Maybe if you travel through posts from the past few years you will find the answer you clearly crave.

Even the fact that you had to do that publicly speaks volumes, in response to an honest question submitted privately. It's not like I was asking a deeply personal question.

It might not be my business, but maybe don't tell the world with such zeal how much you hate the guy if you're not willing to explain.

Have a great evening.

The fact that you're sending people you don't know private messages demanding they justify their public opinion speaks volumes, not the fact that Chris told you it's none of your business. In fact, it's borderline odd.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on May 11, 2018, 07:51:05 PM
Sorry to butt in, I haven't been following this discussion too closely but what on earth is this thing of PM-ing questions? This is a public forum isn't it? I'm pretty sure Chris's stance on Terry is well documented on here, if I'd received a PM asking me (politely or not) to explain myself I'd probably react in the same way. The only thing his public reply tells me, ATAL, is that he doesn't appreciate you making it a private matter when his views are already public, if you care to look. I think that's completely fair enough, and I think you need to clamber down off that high horse of yours.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: AsTallAsLions on May 11, 2018, 07:52:06 PM
ATAL, many thanks for your message. It’s none of your fucking business is the answer. Maybe if you travel through posts from the past few years you will find the answer you clearly crave.

Even the fact that you had to do that publicly speaks volumes, in response to an honest question submitted privately. It's not like I was asking a deeply personal question.

It might not be my business, but maybe don't tell the world with such zeal how much you hate the guy if you're not willing to explain.

Have a great evening.

The fact that you're sending people you don't know private messages demanding they justify their public opinion speaks volumes, not the fact that Chris told you it's none of your business. In fact, it's borderline odd.

Actually, JD made the rather helpful suggestion that I message him privately. And I didn't demand anything; I asked. I was curious. Nice try though.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: AsTallAsLions on May 11, 2018, 07:55:13 PM
Sorry to butt in, I haven't been following this discussion too closely but what on earth is this thing of PM-ing questions? This is a public forum isn't it? I'm pretty sure Chris's stance on Terry is well documented on here, if I'd received a PM asking me (politely or not) to explain myself I'd probably react in the same way. The only thing his public reply tells me, ATAL, is that he doesn't appreciate you making it a private matter when his views are already public, if you care to look. I think that's completely fair enough, and I think you need to clamber down off that high horse of yours.

As above.

I'll make sure I pass on to JD what a twisted notion you think private messaging is. Not to mention the other H&V users who have sent me messages over the years.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: SheffieldVillain on May 11, 2018, 07:57:03 PM
Sorry to butt in, I haven't been following this discussion too closely but what on earth is this thing of PM-ing questions? This is a public forum isn't it? I'm pretty sure Chris's stance on Terry is well documented on here, if I'd received a PM asking me (politely or not) to explain myself I'd probably react in the same way. The only thing his public reply tells me, ATAL, is that he doesn't appreciate you making it a private matter when his views are already public, if you care to look. I think that's completely fair enough, and I think you need to clamber down off that high horse of yours.

As above.

I'll make sure I pass on to JD what a twisted notion you think private messaging is. Not to mention the other H&V users who have sent me messages over the years.

Why would you need to pass it on? It's a public forum, they can see the responses.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: AsTallAsLions on May 11, 2018, 08:09:35 PM
Sorry to butt in, I haven't been following this discussion too closely but what on earth is this thing of PM-ing questions? This is a public forum isn't it? I'm pretty sure Chris's stance on Terry is well documented on here, if I'd received a PM asking me (politely or not) to explain myself I'd probably react in the same way. The only thing his public reply tells me, ATAL, is that he doesn't appreciate you making it a private matter when his views are already public, if you care to look. I think that's completely fair enough, and I think you need to clamber down off that high horse of yours.

As above.

I'll make sure I pass on to JD what a twisted notion you think private messaging is. Not to mention the other H&V users who have sent me messages over the years.

Why would you need to pass it on? It's a public forum, they can see the responses.

What's the matter Sheffield, are you feeling left out? Or did you overhear somebody insulting you in a private conversation once? I'd suggest you go talk to someone about it but that would probably require a 1:1 conversation, and unfortunately you don't do those.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on May 11, 2018, 08:09:48 PM
Sorry to butt in, I haven't been following this discussion too closely but what on earth is this thing of PM-ing questions? This is a public forum isn't it? I'm pretty sure Chris's stance on Terry is well documented on here, if I'd received a PM asking me (politely or not) to explain myself I'd probably react in the same way. The only thing his public reply tells me, ATAL, is that he doesn't appreciate you making it a private matter when his views are already public, if you care to look. I think that's completely fair enough, and I think you need to clamber down off that high horse of yours.

As above.

I'll make sure I pass on to JD what a twisted notion you think private messaging is. Not to mention the other H&V users who have sent me messages over the years.

Dear me, you really need to lay off the hyperbole. You don't need to pass on anything to JD for me. I don't think PM-ing is a twisted notion. I think you sending a PM to get an explanation that's already out there is unnecessary. Just out of interest (I'm curious, see) have any of the other H&V users who have sent you messages over the years done so to call you a sanctimonious git?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: SheffieldVillain on May 11, 2018, 08:19:14 PM
Sorry to butt in, I haven't been following this discussion too closely but what on earth is this thing of PM-ing questions? This is a public forum isn't it? I'm pretty sure Chris's stance on Terry is well documented on here, if I'd received a PM asking me (politely or not) to explain myself I'd probably react in the same way. The only thing his public reply tells me, ATAL, is that he doesn't appreciate you making it a private matter when his views are already public, if you care to look. I think that's completely fair enough, and I think you need to clamber down off that high horse of yours.

As above.

I'll make sure I pass on to JD what a twisted notion you think private messaging is. Not to mention the other H&V users who have sent me messages over the years.

Why would you need to pass it on? It's a public forum, they can see the responses.

What's the matter Sheffield, are you feeling left out? Or did you overhear somebody insulting you in a private conversation once? I'd suggest you go talk to someone about it but that would probably require a 1:1 conversation, and unfortunately you don't do those.

What on earth are you wittering on about?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Drummond on May 11, 2018, 08:19:47 PM


Troll, troll, troll,troll.....
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on May 11, 2018, 08:25:36 PM
Thanks for the reminder, Drummond. Sorry everyone, should have known better, it won't happen again.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: AsTallAsLions on May 11, 2018, 08:37:32 PM
Sorry to butt in, I haven't been following this discussion too closely but what on earth is this thing of PM-ing questions? This is a public forum isn't it? I'm pretty sure Chris's stance on Terry is well documented on here, if I'd received a PM asking me (politely or not) to explain myself I'd probably react in the same way. The only thing his public reply tells me, ATAL, is that he doesn't appreciate you making it a private matter when his views are already public, if you care to look. I think that's completely fair enough, and I think you need to clamber down off that high horse of yours.

As above.

I'll make sure I pass on to JD what a twisted notion you think private messaging is. Not to mention the other H&V users who have sent me messages over the years.

Dear me, you really need to lay off the hyperbole. You don't need to pass on anything to JD for me. I don't think PM-ing is a twisted notion. I think you sending a PM to get an explanation that's already out there is unnecessary. Just out of interest (I'm curious, see) have any of the other H&V users who have sent you messages over the years done so to call you a sanctimonious git?

No need to throw the baby out with the chinchilla bathwater.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 11, 2018, 08:48:27 PM
Sorry to butt in, I haven't been following this discussion too closely but what on earth is this thing of PM-ing questions? This is a public forum isn't it? I'm pretty sure Chris's stance on Terry is well documented on here, if I'd received a PM asking me (politely or not) to explain myself I'd probably react in the same way. The only thing his public reply tells me, ATAL, is that he doesn't appreciate you making it a private matter when his views are already public, if you care to look. I think that's completely fair enough, and I think you need to clamber down off that high horse of yours.

As above.

I'll make sure I pass on to JD what a twisted notion you think private messaging is. Not to mention the other H&V users who have sent me messages over the years.

Dear me, you really need to lay off the hyperbole. You don't need to pass on anything to JD for me. I don't think PM-ing is a twisted notion. I think you sending a PM to get an explanation that's already out there is unnecessary. Just out of interest (I'm curious, see) have any of the other H&V users who have sent you messages over the years done so to call you a sanctimonious git?

No need to throw the baby out with the chinchilla bathwater.

I don't understand what you're hoping to get from all this. It's like you're going out of your way to provoke arguments with as many people as possible over the most piddling little things. I can't for the life of me see why?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: AsTallAsLions on May 11, 2018, 08:51:22 PM
Sorry to butt in, I haven't been following this discussion too closely but what on earth is this thing of PM-ing questions? This is a public forum isn't it? I'm pretty sure Chris's stance on Terry is well documented on here, if I'd received a PM asking me (politely or not) to explain myself I'd probably react in the same way. The only thing his public reply tells me, ATAL, is that he doesn't appreciate you making it a private matter when his views are already public, if you care to look. I think that's completely fair enough, and I think you need to clamber down off that high horse of yours.

As above.

I'll make sure I pass on to JD what a twisted notion you think private messaging is. Not to mention the other H&V users who have sent me messages over the years.

Dear me, you really need to lay off the hyperbole. You don't need to pass on anything to JD for me. I don't think PM-ing is a twisted notion. I think you sending a PM to get an explanation that's already out there is unnecessary. Just out of interest (I'm curious, see) have any of the other H&V users who have sent you messages over the years done so to call you a sanctimonious git?

No need to throw the baby out with the chinchilla bathwater.

I don't understand what you're hoping to get from all this. It's like you're going out of your way to provoke arguments with as many people as possible over the most piddling little things. I can't for the life of me see why?

Oh, I'm not sure that that's true now. Whatever it is, though, it's certainly nothing personal.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 11, 2018, 08:54:36 PM
Lots of people on here get on my tits to various levels.

Ultimately, it's only a message board, though.

I used to get a lot more angry on here than I do these days (other than the odd very occasional blow up). I noticed that when i stopped bothering getting into rambling multi-page rucks with people over things like football club wage bills or managers who couldn't stop pissing about with who played at right back, my blood pressure went down and I generally felt much less stressed.

Real life is stressful enough without letting you bozos wind me up.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: AsTallAsLions on May 11, 2018, 08:55:54 PM
Lots of people on here get on my tits to various levels.

Ultimately, it's only a message board, though.

I used to get a lot more angry on here than I do these days (other than the odd very occasional blow up). I noticed that when i stopped bothering getting into rambling multi-page rucks with people over things like football club wage bills or managers who couldn't stop pissing about with who played at right back, my blood pressure went down and I generally felt much less stressed.

Real life is stressful enough without letting you bozos wind me up.

You're absolutely right.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Bad English on May 11, 2018, 09:01:10 PM
Plus everyone starts quotathons and my blood pressure goes through the roof.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: four fornicholl on May 11, 2018, 09:03:55 PM
Plus everyone starts quotathons and my blood pressure goes through the roof.
You do realise you may get slated for that comment.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Bad English on May 11, 2018, 09:10:12 PM
Eh?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: paul_e on May 11, 2018, 09:12:55 PM
I think he was trying to in-spire a punathon.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Bad English on May 11, 2018, 09:14:28 PM
Oh, sorry! Bit slow: I've had a night on the tiles.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: four fornicholl on May 11, 2018, 09:15:54 PM
Oh, sorry! Bit slow: I've had a night on the tiles.
Too late to be pitching in now.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Drummond on May 11, 2018, 09:27:34 PM
Oh, sorry! Bit slow: I've had a night on the tiles.
Too late to be pitching in now.

Don't slate him.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: TonyD on May 11, 2018, 09:29:09 PM
This is heading for the gutter.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: TheMalandro on May 11, 2018, 10:24:04 PM
If we win the playoffs, I'd love it if they play Nessun dormer.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: olaftab on May 11, 2018, 10:33:37 PM
Oh, sorry! Bit slow: I've had a night on the tiles.
Too late to be pitching in now.

Don't slate him.
Bury him in a quarry.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Holte132 on May 11, 2018, 10:45:16 PM
I sense that someone is hatching a plot!
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Risso on May 12, 2018, 01:03:10 PM
It's quite something when a punathon is 100% less tedious than the few pages that went before it!
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Can Gana Be Bettered!?!? on May 12, 2018, 01:07:48 PM
Do we all still think a John Terry is a twat? Or has him playing for us this season changed your mind? Just wondering what the general consensus was amongst Villa fans? Villa fans I know mostly still think he’s a knob, but I know a few who think he’s great.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Bad English on May 12, 2018, 01:47:23 PM
He's been great for us, and any past misdemeanours should stay in the past. I don't have to drink with him or have him round my house so I don't give much of a fuck to be honest. Should he be copped shagging someone's wife or being racist then I shall consider him to be a Cockerney ****** once again.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: curiousorange on May 12, 2018, 01:52:50 PM
Like many people of great talent, John Terry has flaws. Some of which I can live with, ofhers which I abhor. But as a player for Villa, he's exceeded my expectations. I thought he'd be here for the retirement package and early games suggested so, but he's a brilliant player, a fantastic professional and an influential member of this squad. That's what we signed him for and that's what we've got. I only wish we'd had him a season earlier, then we'd have probably managed the play-offs.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 12, 2018, 01:56:49 PM
What I am appreciating more is how very good John Terry must have been in his prime. He's a very intelligent footballer and it must have been a pleasure watching him for Chelsea fans, especially as came up through their academy from the age of 14. He has been superb for us, and he's conducted himself on and off the pitch with immense dignity and professionalism. I'm not giving him a pass for his past, some of it quite unlikeable, but since being with us he'd not put a foot wrong.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chris Jameson on May 12, 2018, 02:00:07 PM
Just to clear up any doubt, I’m not a fan.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: four fornicholl on May 12, 2018, 02:09:42 PM
Just to clear up any doubt, I’m not a fan.
Why's that then?  :o ;)
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Zouch Villa on May 12, 2018, 02:18:17 PM
I don’t have to like the guy to admire the way he has carried himself and played this season. He made a few mistakes when he was younger, and I was prepared to dismiss him as a racist twunt, but we all have the ability to change and learn from our experiences.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: SheffieldVillain on May 12, 2018, 02:28:22 PM
What I am appreciating more is how very good John Terry must have been in his prime. He's a very intelligent footballer and it must have been a pleasure watching him for Chelsea fans, especially as came up through their academy from the age of 14. He has been superb for us, and he's conducted himself on and off the pitch with immense dignity and professionalism. I'm not giving him a pass for his past, some of it quite unlikeable, but since being with us he'd not put a foot wrong.

Agree with this. I'd always thought of him as just a very good old style 'stopper' but he's far more technically gifted and intelligent on the field than I'd thought.

I still don't like him as a human being but he's done his job very well this season and in a rare occurrence for Villa in the last few seasons is a player who has more than justified his wages.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 12, 2018, 02:37:33 PM
I knew he'd give his all; I didn't realise how much of it he had left to give. And whether he's just saying it or not, he seems lately to know that we are mes que un club.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: mr underhill on May 12, 2018, 02:41:03 PM
I can see Terry coaching/managing with us in the not too distant future
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Bad English on May 12, 2018, 03:14:34 PM
Just to clear up any doubt, I’m not a fan.
I might pm you.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Bad English on May 12, 2018, 03:16:59 PM
we are mes que un club.
I'd like to see 'Ace club our kid' in giant letters along the Trinity seats.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: dave shelley on May 12, 2018, 03:29:00 PM
Just to clear up any doubt, I’m not a fan.

Please explain yourself.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: AsTallAsLions on May 12, 2018, 03:45:47 PM
I think he's been fantastic for us, particularly in how he's helped to settle Jack. He leads by example both on the field and off, he's disciplined, looks after himself, and hates dropping points. He's exactly what we needed this year, and if that's as far as it goes, I'll still be grateful he joined and gave his all for the club.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: tomd2103 on May 12, 2018, 03:57:31 PM
He has some pretty high profile previous misdemeanours and will always be judged on those, but he has been pretty exemplary both on and off the field for us this season.  I think it is possible to separate a person from their ability to do something and I am sure many of us will have done that in our own working lives ("so and so is a right w@nker, but you have to admit they are good a what they do").
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: DrGonzo on May 12, 2018, 04:47:30 PM
the man is still a massive twat...let us not forget.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: brontebilly on May 12, 2018, 07:12:37 PM
Superb today again
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: IFWaters on May 12, 2018, 07:15:22 PM
WAS

Isnt now
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: IFWaters on May 12, 2018, 07:16:16 PM
the man is still a massive twat...let us not forget.


WAS

Isnt now
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: The Moose on May 12, 2018, 07:39:33 PM
Dr Gonzo.....fuck off.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 12, 2018, 07:43:04 PM
Dr Gonzo.....fuck off.

You can pack that in right now.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on May 12, 2018, 08:01:14 PM
Terry has been ace this season, I am a big fan these days (and I was not at all sure when we signed him).

Can see him being manager in a few years. Made a big difference in the dressing room, and seems to really get us as a club. Must be nice playing for a big club though, he had to wait a long time to get a move to one.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on May 12, 2018, 08:31:34 PM
Just to clear up any doubt, I’m not a fan.


Yawn.

You’ve made your point, many times.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Rudy65 on May 12, 2018, 08:34:20 PM
Just to clear up any doubt, I’m not a fan.


Yawn.

You’ve made your point, many times.

Seconded. It’s a badge of honour with some
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chris Jameson on May 12, 2018, 08:44:56 PM
Just to clear up any doubt, I’m not a fan.


Yawn.

You’ve made your point, many times.

I was taking the piss. I’m not though. Go for a nap if you’re tired, I’m knackered, not had one for two days.



Seconded. It’s a badge of honour with some
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Tayls_7 on May 12, 2018, 09:37:17 PM
He isn't Lee Hughes and during his time at AVFC he has been beyond reproach. Recruiting players like Terry are the reason we are no longer a hopeless cause. Concentrate your dislike on McCormack and twats of his ilk.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: TheMalandro on May 13, 2018, 04:40:06 AM
Just to clear up any doubt, I’m not a fan.


Yawn.

You’ve made your point, many times.

Seconded. It’s a badge of honour with some

Jameson gets a pass because he's a hard motherf***er
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: in exile on May 13, 2018, 04:29:59 PM
*yawn*
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chris Jameson on May 13, 2018, 06:21:17 PM
Hard as nails.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: clash city rocker on May 13, 2018, 06:42:45 PM
Hard as nails.

The nails of years ago were bloody hard but the nails and screws we import these days are as soft as shit. And drill bits...  if they ain't made in Switzerland don't buy em.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chris Jameson on May 13, 2018, 06:56:27 PM
Hard as the imported nails in that case. Now you mention it, they aren’t as hard as they used to be.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: clash city rocker on May 13, 2018, 07:06:24 PM
Hard as the imported nails in that case. Now you mention it, they aren’t as hard as they used to be.

It so fuckin annoys me these days when you have to put pressure on a screw to tighten it up and the head begins to give. Never had that trouble with GKN screws.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chris Jameson on May 13, 2018, 07:18:10 PM
I’m going to blame them for my various DIY disasters.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: clash city rocker on May 13, 2018, 07:21:55 PM
I’m going to blame them for my various DIY disasters.
Too fuckin right. Let GKN make all the screws and the world would be a better place.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: themossman on May 13, 2018, 07:27:21 PM
This is one of my biggest bugbears. You just have to look at a modern screw the wrong way to strip the head to shit.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: four fornicholl on May 13, 2018, 07:30:34 PM
This is one of my biggest bugbears. You just have to look at a modern screw the wrong way to strip the head to shit.
Rubbish, you just need to ensure the correct bit is used and the correct torque is applied, it's not difficult. Amateurs.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: clash city rocker on May 13, 2018, 07:31:54 PM
This is one of my biggest bugbears. You just have to look at a modern screw the wrong way to strip the head to shit.

I have a massive collection of screws from probably 40 years ago...all GKN...if you want a screw to do a man's job then GKN is the answer.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: clash city rocker on May 13, 2018, 07:35:28 PM
This is one of my biggest bugbears. You just have to look at a modern screw the wrong way to strip the head to shit.
Rubbish, you just need to ensure the correct bit is used and the correct torque is applied, it's not difficult. Amateurs.

4x4....you are treating on dangerous ground here. I know my screws.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: four fornicholl on May 13, 2018, 07:41:22 PM
This is one of my biggest bugbears. You just have to look at a modern screw the wrong way to strip the head to shit.
Rubbish, you just need to ensure the correct bit is used and the correct torque is applied, it's not difficult. Amateurs.

4x4....you are treating on dangerous ground here. I know my screws.
Now listen here, many people, with restricted vision, may mistake a T25 for a PZ2, You really need to have your wits about you when contemplating screwing.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: TB on May 13, 2018, 07:50:49 PM
You really need to have your wits about you when contemplating screwing.

Ain't that the truth. And after screwing, as well.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: clash city rocker on May 13, 2018, 08:20:38 PM
You really need to have your wits about you when contemplating screwing.

Ain't that the truth. And after screwing, as well.

There''s more to screwing than meets the eye. You have to have the right screw and the right tool. If you don't you'll finish up with a right problem and you'll be neither able to force it in or get it out.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: four fornicholl on May 13, 2018, 08:25:43 PM
You really need to have your wits about you when contemplating screwing.

Ain't that the truth. And after screwing, as well.

There''s more to screwing than meets the eye. You have to have the right screw and the right tool. If you don't you'll finish up with a right problem and you'll be neither able to force it in or get it out.
Which is what I said just one post earlier, I am the screw master, no tickling or nothing! (shameless Pulp Fiction)
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: clash city rocker on May 13, 2018, 08:35:04 PM
You really need to have your wits about you when contemplating screwing.

Ain't that the truth. And after screwing, as well.

There''s more to screwing than meets the eye. You have to have the right screw and the right tool. If you don't you'll finish up with a right problem and you'll be neither able to force it in or get it out.
Which is what I said just one post earlier, I am the screw master, no tickling or nothing! (shameless Pulp Fiction)

A porn star in our midst. All professionals welcomed on h & v.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: four fornicholl on May 13, 2018, 08:41:14 PM
You really need to have your wits about you when contemplating screwing.

Ain't that the truth. And after screwing, as well

There''s more to screwing than meets the eye. You have to have the right screw and the right tool. If you don't you'll finish up with a right problem and you'll be neither able to force it in or get it out.
Which is what I said just one post earlier, I am the screw master, no tickling or nothing! (shameless Pulp Fiction)

A porn star in our midst. All professionals welcomed on h & v.
Give me the head, and I'll show you the screw ;)
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: clash city rocker on May 13, 2018, 08:47:52 PM
You really need to have your wits about you when contemplating screwing.

Ain't that the truth. And after screwing, as well

There''s more to screwing than meets the eye. You have to have the right screw and the right tool. If you don't you'll finish up with a right problem and you'll be neither able to force it in or get it out.
Which is what I said just one post earlier, I am the screw master, no tickling or nothing! (shameless Pulp Fiction)

A porn star in our midst. All professionals welcomed on h & v.
Give me the head, and I'll show you the screw ;)

Mods. Have a word. He's a filth merchant.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: The_ads on May 13, 2018, 10:08:10 PM
Some of those opinions on first two pages - bit daft now eh
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Dave on May 13, 2018, 10:14:09 PM
Which ones?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chris Jameson on May 13, 2018, 11:45:42 PM
Were some people singing the praises of the modern screw? Bet they feel right idiots now.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: West Derby Villan on May 13, 2018, 11:46:51 PM
Were some people singing the praises of the modern screw? Bet they feel right idiots now.

Ha screw em !
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Simon Page on May 14, 2018, 01:13:57 PM
Best bet is to practice on a mate's screw. Make sure he doesn't find out though, otherwise he'll write narky messages on his t-shirt.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: cheltenhamlion on May 14, 2018, 06:39:52 PM
I won't ever like John Terry as a bloke. I don't care if his misdemeanours were when he was younger, there are a few shocking skeletons in his closet. However.....

He has been superb since he has been here. He has shown a commitment to the cause I wasn't expecting and has been a huge part in setting standards in the dressing room. For all the love in of the other week can you imagine Gabby running round the Holte to get back from injury quicker?

Perhaps it is the media training they get at the top of the game but his interviews (the one the other day was a cracker) suggest that he gets it, gets us and is genuinely enjoying his time here.

I guarantee when he does go into management Snodgrass will be one of his coaches. When I was talking to Steve Round at AVST AGM he reckons they are like two peas in a pod when it comes to will to win.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 14, 2018, 06:46:46 PM
I guarantee when he does go into management Snodgrass will be one of his coaches. When I was talking to Steve Round at AVST AGM he reckons they are like two peas in a pod when it comes to will to win.

I would almost guarantee Snodgrass is thinking about having Terry as one of his coaches when he goes into management.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Risso on May 14, 2018, 09:44:58 PM
I wasn't a fan at all when he first arrived, but he's been superb this season.  He's celebrated every win like it was winning the World Cup, so he'll do for me.  I reckon we've got under his skin in a good way.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 14, 2018, 09:46:24 PM
I wasn't a fan at all when he first arrived, but he's been superb this season.  He's celebrated every win like it was winning the World Cup, so he'll do for me.  I reckon we've got under his skin in a good way.

More than once in interviews he's mentioned copping it at VP. Good.

"We know what you are".
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 15, 2018, 12:45:01 AM
I don't know Chris Jameson's opinions on the underlying causes for the outbreak of the First World War, but I've just sent him a pretty stern PM demanding that he justify his despicable stance on the matter.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: AsTallAsLions on May 15, 2018, 07:13:38 AM
I don't know Chris Jameson's opinions on the underlying causes for the outbreak of the First World War, but I've just sent him a pretty stern PM demanding that he justify his despicable stance on the matter.

Hilarious non sequitur, do you do children's birthday parties?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: cheltenhamlion on May 15, 2018, 07:20:16 AM
I don't know Chris Jameson's opinions on the underlying causes for the outbreak of the First World War, but I've just sent him a pretty stern PM demanding that he justify his despicable stance on the matter.

Hilarious non sequitur, do you do children's birthday parties?

I don't think he would pass the DAB check.....
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 15, 2018, 08:37:46 AM
I wasn't a fan at all when he first arrived, but he's been superb this season.  He's celebrated every win like it was winning the World Cup, so he'll do for me.  I reckon we've got under his skin in a good way.

Someone else who didn't know how big we are until he got here.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Brassneck on May 15, 2018, 08:47:19 AM
I wasn't a fan at all when he first arrived, but he's been superb this season.  He's celebrated every win like it was winning the World Cup, so he'll do for me.  I reckon we've got under his skin in a good way.

I'm always of the opinion that it's what a player can do on the pitch that counts. Other than in the most extreme of cases where a player has been convicted of a serious criminal offence for example, I don't pay too much attention to his off field activities. Whilst Terry clearly had some skeletons in his cupboard, I never once considered them serious enough to prevent him playing for us. He may not have covered himself in glory but I had no issues with him wearing our shirt.

For me, I was more concerned about where he was in terms of being able to last the pace of a 46 game season and also how he would fare, given he hadn't played much for a couple of seasons. I have to say that he's been fantastic and fully appreciate what having a player/leader like Terry brings to a group of players. However, what has impressed me most has been how humble Terry has been. Not once has he given it the "Big I am" and has conducted himself impeccably during his time here.

If we don't go up this season, I will be sorry to see Terry leave us.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: dicedlam on May 15, 2018, 10:22:03 AM
I wasn't a fan at all when he first arrived, but he's been superb this season.  He's celebrated every win like it was winning the World Cup, so he'll do for me.  I reckon we've got under his skin in a good way.

I'm always of the opinion that it's what a player can do on the pitch that counts. Other than in the most extreme of cases where a player has been convicted of a serious criminal offence for example, I don't pay too much attention to his off field activities. Whilst Terry clearly had some skeletons in his cupboard, I never once considered them serious enough to prevent him playing for us. He may not have covered himself in glory but I had no issues with him wearing our shirt.

For me, I was more concerned about where he was in terms of being able to last the pace of a 46 game season and also how he would fare, given he hadn't played much for a couple of seasons. I have to say that he's been fantastic and fully appreciate what having a player/leader like Terry brings to a group of players. However, what has impressed me most has been how humble Terry has been. Not once has he given it the "Big I am" and has conducted himself impeccably during his time here.

If we don't go up this season, I will be sorry to see Terry leave us.

Same here.

Everyone knows his off field antics have never covered him in glory, but I honestly cannot think of another player in England (with possibly the exception of James Milner) who I would rather lead us out over the next couple of games.

He is that important.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Fred Crump on May 15, 2018, 10:44:49 AM
I don't know Chris Jameson's opinions on the underlying causes for the outbreak of the First World War, but I've just sent him a pretty stern PM demanding that he justify his despicable stance on the matter.

Hilarious non sequitur, do you do children's birthday parties?
It’s  possible that he was mixed up with the outbreak of WW1 because it was caused by the assassination of Archduke Anton Ferdinand.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: boozey182 on May 15, 2018, 11:37:09 AM
I have never liked Terry and probably never will. I didn't want him to join us. I can't argue that he's not a good player, mind, as he clearly is. Moments like when he brought the ball down over his shoulder against Reading a few weeks back show his quality. He wouldn't have had the success he has had if he hadn't been a very good player.

I still don't think he's been a good signing though; which I know is an uncommon opinion even amongst the Terry 'haters'. I don't think he was the type of centre back we've needed, and for all his obvious quality, we still have almost exactly the same weaknesses at the back as we had last year - mainly against pace and power. He's obviously much better on the ball than any centre back we've had for aong time, but in this league, with our style of play, we don't really utilise this part of his game and have only really seen infrequent flashes throughout the season. He's also started to make silly, and costly mistakes since he's come back from his injuries. The one for the second against Norwich sticks in the mind; it was inexcusable and effectively finished off any hope of automatic promotion.

The most damming evidence to support this, I guess, is the fact we haven't missed him at all when he's been out of the team - at least in terms of results. In fact, I think we've done slightly better. For the best centre back we've had since X, it's odd that he can be adequately replaced by an out-of-position Mile Jedinak. But then again, for all Jedinak's weaknesses, he's better in the air than Terry. Which compliments Chester pretty well.

It's sort of like we're moving house and Dr Tony has gone out and bought a VW classic Campervan. It looks great, and can do a job, but maybe we'd have been better off with a couple of dented transit vans with a few dustsheets in the back. (To follow the metaphor through: when Terry the Campervan is out of action, we bring in Jedinak or Samba - the equivalent of having your boot open, but held with some string. It does the job but Christ it doesn't look great and it's a terrifying journey)

So I don't think he's added £60,000 a week of value to our team. I think he's another example of our team being less than the sum of its parts. He's much better than most of the cloggers in this league, but that's not been reflected on the impact he has when he plays. He's been part of arguably our best performance of the season (Wolves at home), but missed some of our best (Bristol and Cardiff at home). And he's certainly been a part of our worst performances (take your pick). For (I think) the highest paid player in the league, you want him to be indispensable, the heartbeat of our team. A game changer. And Terry isn't.

And as for him loving it here; of course he does. He'd been at Chelsea his whole career, and now he's at Aston Villa. There seems to be an odd sense that we're somehow lucky to have him, which is a mentality I just cannot get my head around. He's the highest paid player at the greatest football club in the world. He's the lucky one, and I think he knows it. I guess it's understandable after the Lerner years, which have so much to answer for, but as fans I think we need to get a bit of our swagger back. Let's start tonight and brush aside anyone that gets in the way of our unstoppable march to where Tony wants us to be. It's probably best for all parties if Terry retires after the match at Wembley a week on Saturday, having been part of a Villa win. He won't want to play against better opposition next year, he very much cares about his image these days.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Tony Erdington on May 15, 2018, 11:53:16 AM
Boozey, Well written, I enjoyed it. Don't agree mind, yes Terry is 36 yes its the end of his career, but we've got more than a footballer , his a great leader, he's helped bring players on (ask Jack) his a motivator, his professional, and he'll help you out with any problems at home,

What a Bloke!
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chris Jameson on May 15, 2018, 11:56:56 AM
I don't know Chris Jameson's opinions on the underlying causes for the outbreak of the First World War, but I've just sent him a pretty stern PM demanding that he justify his despicable stance on the matter.

Hilarious non sequitur, do you do children's birthday parties?
It’s  possible that he was mixed up with the outbreak of WW1 because it was caused by the assassination of Archduke Anton Ferdinand.

Which eventually lead to the formation of the beat combo Franz Ferdinand so surely you can understand why I'm not a big fan of War One.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: boozey182 on May 15, 2018, 12:12:56 PM
Boozey, Well written, I enjoyed it. Don't agree mind, yes Terry is 36 yes its the end of his career, but we've got more than a footballer , his a great leader, he's helped bring players on (ask Jack) his a motivator, his professional, and he'll help you out with any problems at home,

What a Bloke!

Cheers Tony. You may well be right about his qualities as a leader, but I guess I struggle with that as it's difficult to gauge or measure. For example, Jack has mentioned a few times that Terry has had a positive effect on him, but I've also seen him say the same about Bruce and saw a long piece about the fitness coach who helped build him up when he was injured at the start of the season. He also cites Gabby as his hero... I guess it's hard to put a value on that kind of thing. If we hadn't signed Terry, would Jack have had less of an impact this season? I genuinely have no idea.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: LeeB on May 15, 2018, 12:43:49 PM
I don't know Chris Jameson's opinions on the underlying causes for the outbreak of the First World War, but I've just sent him a pretty stern PM demanding that he justify his despicable stance on the matter.

Hilarious non sequitur, do you do children's birthday parties?
It’s  possible that he was mixed up with the outbreak of WW1 because it was caused by the assassination of Archduke Anton Ferdinand.

Which eventually lead to the formation of the beat combo Franz Ferdinand so surely you can understand why I'm not a big fan of War One.

I always took "Take Me Out" as an invitation to do so, and rue not having the opportunity to do so.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 15, 2018, 04:55:18 PM
I don't know Chris Jameson's opinions on the underlying causes for the outbreak of the First World War, but I've just sent him a pretty stern PM demanding that he justify his despicable stance on the matter.

Hilarious non sequitur, do you do children's birthday parties?
It’s  possible that he was mixed up with the outbreak of WW1 because it was caused by the assassination of Archduke Anton Ferdinand.

Which eventually lead to the formation of the beat combo Franz Ferdinand so surely you can understand why I'm not a big fan of War One.

That's probably my biggest problem with the whole era, too.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: clash city rocker on May 15, 2018, 05:32:17 PM
Just hope that JT referees the match as normal tonight.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: oldham_villa on May 15, 2018, 05:39:16 PM
 I have to share this, but i was talking to two Liverpool fans at work today - shows how blinkered they are with football, they didn't even know that Terry played for Villa!!!!

How can you be a football fan and not know about other teams? One of them is admittedly a fair weather supporter, who has never been to Anfield. The other one however is a season ticket holder 8-/
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chris Jameson on May 15, 2018, 06:00:40 PM
I can understand that, I had no idea who two or three of the players were who made the last England squad. One of them played for Liverpool.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 15, 2018, 06:08:31 PM
I saw the probable England squad today and didn't know half of them.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: London Villan on May 15, 2018, 06:11:14 PM
Was in a pub in chichester on saturday and a couple of locals in there had no idea either. The championship is a long way from the premier league.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 15, 2018, 06:18:59 PM
I saw the probable England squad today and didn't know half of them.

Me neither. It's not altogether surprising but I've really switched off the PL and most other football since we went down. I catch highlights here and there and watch the odd game, but I couldn't tell you in any depth about what's taken place or certain players coming through.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on May 15, 2018, 07:25:52 PM
I saw the probable England squad today and didn't know half of them.

Me neither. It's not altogether surprising but I've really switched off the PL and most other football since we went down. I catch highlights here and there and watch the odd game, but I couldn't tell you in any depth about what's taken place or certain players coming through.

Have not watched a single Premier League game since Villa went down, and have not watched 'Champions' League games for years. I did follow lower league highlights on Channel five before we went down and tbh I find it more interesting than the exploits of the 'top clubs'. The Premier League and European games hold no interest for me if Villa are not involved.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 15, 2018, 09:52:33 PM
Surely he’s due to score the winner against Fulham.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Bad English on May 15, 2018, 10:43:38 PM
Have not watched a single Premier League game since Villa went down, and have not watched 'Champions' League games for years...The Premier League and European games hold no interest for me if Villa are not involved.
Same here. Similarly, I haven't watched Formula 1 since the mid-90s.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 15, 2018, 11:02:25 PM
Surely he’s due to score the winner against Fulham.

Class again tonight, only disappointment for me this season is his lack of goals. Wasn't he the highest scoring defender in premier league at Chelsea or something?

I remember him scoring v Fulham at VP, not sure he's scored another for us.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on May 15, 2018, 11:10:34 PM
Have not watched a single Premier League game since Villa went down, and have not watched 'Champions' League games for years...The Premier League and European games hold no interest for me if Villa are not involved.
Same here. Similarly, I haven't watched Formula 1 since the mid-90s.

Agree. Not been interested since Mansell retired!

I do regularly go and watch motorsports though as I have a friend (business partner) that races an MG. Great fun.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 16, 2018, 12:04:39 AM
There's a clip on Twitter via the clubs official account of the celebrations at the final whistle. The final bit is Terry with his arm around Grealish leaving the pitch and down the tunnel. Say what you want about him, but he's been a massive positive influence on Jack. Nobody would have imagined that when he joined and it is something we all hoped from and let down badly by any number of senior pros over the past few years who just watched the club sink and even contributed to it.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: mr underhill on May 16, 2018, 07:31:53 AM
you can colour this any way you like - without Terry we wouldn't be in the final because we wouldn't have even made the play offs. And I never thought I'd ever feel warmly about John Terry. wTF!
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: mr underhill on May 18, 2018, 06:44:54 AM
update - talk of JT going to Yanited as a coach to the chosen one. Fans not happy.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Rotterdam on May 18, 2018, 07:07:37 AM
This maybe true, but I doubt it would have been allowed out at this time. The timing is terrible.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: andyh on May 18, 2018, 07:27:13 AM
Why is it terrible?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Ads on May 18, 2018, 08:28:08 AM
He wants to play for another year. Nobody is going to turn that down for cones and bibs duty.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on May 18, 2018, 08:44:37 AM
Why is it terrible?

Because it's potentially unsettling news leaked a week before our biggest came in 20 odd years?  Seems like pretty terrible timing to me.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Clampy on May 18, 2018, 08:45:00 AM
It also may be a load of bollocks.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on May 18, 2018, 08:48:44 AM
It also may be a load of bollocks.
Yes, it probably is.  It's hard to imagine Terry wanting to be part of a United setup or their fans accepting him.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 18, 2018, 09:06:08 AM
The speculation seems based on Mourinho saying he is going to appoint someone who isn't Portuguese (like the current incumbent), that he has worked with him before (doesn't specify whether as coach or player), and that he "can't say too much" as the person is currently "linked" with another club.

I reckon dozens, if not hundreds, of people probably meet the criteria. The suggestion that it is likely to be Terry is nothing but pure guesswork.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: andyh on May 18, 2018, 12:06:39 PM
Even if it is terry, I am sure he is able to play one more game without being so distracted he turns to shit.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on May 18, 2018, 03:01:02 PM
Even if it is terry, I am sure he is able to play one more game without being so distracted he turns to shit.
Maybe, but it's a distraction for the whole team and one we could do without.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Brend'Watkins on May 18, 2018, 03:22:10 PM
Even if it is terry, I am sure he is able to play one more game without being so distracted he turns to shit.
Maybe, but it's a distraction for the whole team and one we could do without.

Let's go a stage further and say the arm around Grealish in the tunnel is a sure sign he's tapping him up so he goes along with him to ManU.  All under Mourinho's instruction obviously.

Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: mr underhill on May 18, 2018, 03:58:02 PM
fine if he was saying 'Jose's going to bid 40m for you Jack'
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Brend'Watkins on May 18, 2018, 04:00:15 PM
If we don't go up then maybe.  If we do, they can double it.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Rotterdam on May 18, 2018, 06:57:28 PM
Even if it is terry, I am sure he is able to play one more game without being so distracted he turns to shit.
Maybe, but it's a distraction for the whole team and one we could do without.

Evening all. The point I was making this morning was that the timing was 'terrible' for the reasons suggested, too close to a massive game.
My opinion is (after we go up) if JT stays then great, if he chooses to leave then he achieved what we wanted.

PS I also think that the rumour itself is bollocks.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 18, 2018, 07:08:01 PM
I doubt the players give a shit, they already know that whatever division we're in a bunch of them won't be playing for Villa next season, all they'll care about is who is here for the play-off game.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Damo70 on May 18, 2018, 07:16:04 PM
I can understand that, I had no idea who two or three of the players were who made the last England squad. One of them played for Liverpool.


I like to think that I know about football in general and that apart from Villa I know about the England team and also our friends from Small Heath. But if you set me a quiz on the current Small Heath squad and some of the recent players who have been called up for England I don't think I would score very highly. Recently I have had to Google England internationals who have been called up to see who they actually play for.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: eamonn on May 24, 2018, 02:28:12 PM
Percy from the Telegraph reporting about Terry playing for us next season if we get promoted could also be with the stipulation that he doesn't have to play against Chelsea.

I've been really impressed with his conduct on and off the pitch but that request is ridiculous. He's not on-loan from his beloved Blues and we don't pay him £60k+ a week (50% more if we go up?) to dictate a term like that. What if we need a draw at Stamford Bridge on the last day of the season and he decides to have a hard-on in the Matthew Harding stand?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on May 24, 2018, 02:32:14 PM
Percy from the Telegraph reporting about Terry playing for us next season if we get promoted could also be with the stipulation that he doesn't have to play against Chelsea.

I've been really impressed with his conduct on and off the pitch but that request is ridiculous. He's not on-loan from his beloved Blues and we don't pay him £60k+ a week (50% more if we go up?) to dictate a term like that. What if we need a draw at Stamford Bridge on the last day of the season and he decides to have a hard-on in the Matthew Harding stand?
My guess would be this is just speculation.  I imagine he would enjoy the ovation he would get if he went back to Stamford Bridge.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Risso on May 24, 2018, 02:37:42 PM
Percy from the Telegraph reporting about Terry playing for us next season if we get promoted could also be with the stipulation that he doesn't have to play against Chelsea.

I've been really impressed with his conduct on and off the pitch but that request is ridiculous. He's not on-loan from his beloved Blues and we don't pay him £60k+ a week (50% more if we go up?) to dictate a term like that. What if we need a draw at Stamford Bridge on the last day of the season and he decides to have a hard-on in the Matthew Harding stand?

Exactly.  As good as he's been, that would be a deal breaker for me.  I'm sure he'd get a hero's reception going back there anyway, so hopefully it's bollocks.  Not sure I can think of any other examples of players refusing to play against their old team, probably because it is so daft.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: john e on May 24, 2018, 02:43:05 PM
Percy from the Telegraph reporting about Terry playing for us next season if we get promoted could also be with the stipulation that he doesn't have to play against Chelsea.

I've been really impressed with his conduct on and off the pitch but that request is ridiculous. He's not on-loan from his beloved Blues and we don't pay him £60k+ a week (50% more if we go up?) to dictate a term like that. What if we need a draw at Stamford Bridge on the last day of the season and he decides to have a hard-on in the Matthew Harding stand?


I wouldn’t have a big problem with that

and I was one who wasn’t happy when we first signed him
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: mr underhill on May 24, 2018, 02:54:32 PM
all media bullshit.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: eamonn on May 24, 2018, 03:01:17 PM
Hopefully but he's a good journalist and there is a casual quote from Bruce:  https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2018/05/23/john-terry-could-extend-aston-villa-stay-deal-allows-miss-chelsea/amp/
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on May 24, 2018, 03:59:21 PM
Hopefully but he's a good journalist and there is a casual quote from Bruce:  https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2018/05/23/john-terry-could-extend-aston-villa-stay-deal-allows-miss-chelsea/amp/
Even if it's not bullshit I would live with it.  If we go up his experience and influence over refs could be key to staying up.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on May 24, 2018, 04:07:21 PM
Is there a precedent for this? I can’t think of any other player making such a demand?  Maybe we should let him wear his Chelsea kit when we play them.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 24, 2018, 04:45:42 PM
The second you let a player dictate when he plays then you're leaving yourself open to future requests, piss taking etc. I've made my views on him plain but the same would apply if we were going to sign Messi and he didn't want to play against a certain side. Be available to play every game Aston Villa play or be available for none.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 24, 2018, 07:03:53 PM
The second you let a player dictate when he plays then you're leaving yourself open to future requests, piss taking etc. I've made my views on him plain but the same would apply if we were going to sign Messi and he didn't want to play against a certain side. Be available to play every game Aston Villa play or be available for none.

Not that I really care one way or another but we’re not likely to have any player who is decorated in his achievements as Terry is for a while. If a “lesser” player made the demand you’d probably tell him to go pound sand, but in the grand scheme of things is it really a big deal in this instance? Your overall point is valid.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 24, 2018, 07:23:24 PM
To me it is, no player should ever dictate when he plays or who he does or doesn't play against. I couldn't care less how many medals a player has won. He's not even the best defender at the club so why the smeg should he decide when he plays. It's an honour for him to play for Aston Villa, not the other way round.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: boozey182 on May 24, 2018, 07:49:11 PM
I'm sure this must be made up. No professional player would have the arrogance to make such a request and no self-respecting club would consider it for a second. Percy has a decent track record, but he must have the wrong end of the stick here. It's a ridiculous concept.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Lastfootstamper on May 24, 2018, 07:51:21 PM
My reading of the piece is that Terry's not said anything, and it's an assumption about a possibility by our manager based on the former's original reasons for dropping down a division. I'm not going to get worked up about anything yet.

I think he'd get shown up in the PL, anyway.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: john e on May 24, 2018, 08:56:12 PM
The second you let a player dictate when he plays then you're leaving yourself open to future requests, piss taking etc. I've made my views on him plain but the same would apply if we were going to sign Messi and he didn't want to play against a certain side. Be available to play every game Aston Villa play or be available for none.

I think I could definitely find some new principles if it was Messi
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on May 24, 2018, 09:28:06 PM
To me it is, no player should ever dictate when he plays or who he does or doesn't play against. I couldn't care less how many medals a player has won. He's not even the best defender at the club so why the smeg should he decide when he plays. It's an honour for him to play for Aston Villa, not the other way round.
I completely agree.  But 1 - I reckon it's probably bullshit.  2 - If it isn't the benefits in this particular instance probably outweigh the downside.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Bad English on May 24, 2018, 09:40:02 PM
No professional player would have the arrogance to make such a request
Who would have thought that a professional player who was suspended for a European final would don his kit and join in with the celebrations on the pitch with  his team-mates?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Dave on May 24, 2018, 09:44:32 PM
To contrast, Frank Lampard played and scored a late equaliser against Chelsea when he went to Man City.

He managed not to be a bellend* about a footballer having to play football.

*assuming this is true, which it might not be
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: luke:lamf on May 24, 2018, 09:52:09 PM
No professional player would have the arrogance to make such a request
Who would have thought that a professional player who was suspended for a European final would don his kit and join in with the celebrations on the pitch with  his team-mates?
Or come up with the idea, and sell it to his manager, to be substituted on the minute of his choosing during his final game for Chelsea, so that he could have a guard of honour ?

Should this come to pass it would just be one more of the "Things wrong with Modern Football : Part X" - the logical evolution of 'not celebrating a goal against your former club'. Although perhaps he could mitigate it by donating to charity the 1/19th of his salary that he would have earned whilst recusing himself from work.

Probably best to wait and see what actually happens though, rather than rushing to condemn him without proof.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Ad@m on May 25, 2018, 07:11:49 AM
No professional player would have the arrogance to make such a request
Who would have thought that a professional player who was suspended for a European final would don his kit and join in with the celebrations on the pitch with  his team-mates?
Or come up with the idea, and sell it to his manager, to be substituted on the minute of his choosing during his final game for Chelsea, so that he could have a guard of honour ?

Should this come to pass it would just be one more of the "Things wrong with Modern Football : Part X" - the logical evolution of 'not celebrating a goal against your former club'. Although perhaps he could mitigate it by donating to charity the 1/19th of his salary that he would have earned whilst recusing himself from work.

Probably best to wait and see what actually happens though, rather than rushing to condemn him without proof.

Let's not over-generalise here.

If it's true (and it's a big if which we may never find out the truth to if we lose tomorrow) he's the only footballer I'm aware of who's demanded this as part of a contract negotiation.  So maybe it's not a problem with modern football, but rather he's a bit of a dick.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: saunders_heroes on May 25, 2018, 09:56:28 AM
Percy from the Telegraph reporting about Terry playing for us next season if we get promoted could also be with the stipulation that he doesn't have to play against Chelsea.

I've been really impressed with his conduct on and off the pitch but that request is ridiculous. He's not on-loan from his beloved Blues and we don't pay him £60k+ a week (50% more if we go up?) to dictate a term like that. What if we need a draw at Stamford Bridge on the last day of the season and he decides to have a hard-on in the Matthew Harding stand?

Exactly.  As good as he's been, that would be a deal breaker for me.  I'm sure he'd get a hero's reception going back there anyway, so hopefully it's bollocks.  Not sure I can think of any other examples of players refusing to play against their old team, probably because it is so daft.

It is bollocks. Terry spoke to a pundit on TalkSport last night (Higginbothem I think) and said the story was total bullshit.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: AsTallAsLions on May 25, 2018, 12:07:31 PM
Percy from the Telegraph reporting about Terry playing for us next season if we get promoted could also be with the stipulation that he doesn't have to play against Chelsea.

I've been really impressed with his conduct on and off the pitch but that request is ridiculous. He's not on-loan from his beloved Blues and we don't pay him £60k+ a week (50% more if we go up?) to dictate a term like that. What if we need a draw at Stamford Bridge on the last day of the season and he decides to have a hard-on in the Matthew Harding stand?

Exactly.  As good as he's been, that would be a deal breaker for me.  I'm sure he'd get a hero's reception going back there anyway, so hopefully it's bollocks.  Not sure I can think of any other examples of players refusing to play against their old team, probably because it is so daft.

It is bollocks. Terry spoke to a pundit on TalkSport last night (Higginbothem I think) and said the story was total bullshit.

Good. Timing of it isn't great, mind. What was the intention behind the BS story, just filling column inches on a slow week or someone looking to stir shit up ahead of a massive game for us...
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on May 25, 2018, 12:24:56 PM


It's a nonsense.

Or it'd better be.

A ridiculous idea/situation for ANY player.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Ad@m on May 25, 2018, 02:52:29 PM
BS you say...

Steve Bruce Backs John Terry's Bizarre Chelsea Request Ahead of Wembley Play-Off Final

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Aston Villa boss Steve Bruce has sensationally stated that he will not force John Terry to feature against ​Chelsea next season should his side claim promotion to the ​Premier League on Saturday.

"We'll not pick him against Chelsea if that's he wants," he said.

https://www.90min.com/posts/6070458-steve-bruce-backs-john-terry-s-bizarre-chelsea-request-ahead-of-wembley-play-off-final (https://www.90min.com/posts/6070458-steve-bruce-backs-john-terry-s-bizarre-chelsea-request-ahead-of-wembley-play-off-final)
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: AsTallAsLions on May 25, 2018, 02:53:59 PM
BS you say...

Steve Bruce Backs John Terry's Bizarre Chelsea Request Ahead of Wembley Play-Off Final

Quote
Aston Villa boss Steve Bruce has sensationally stated that he will not force John Terry to feature against ​Chelsea next season should his side claim promotion to the ​Premier League on Saturday.

"We'll not pick him against Chelsea if that's he wants," he said.

https://www.90min.com/posts/6070458-steve-bruce-backs-john-terry-s-bizarre-chelsea-request-ahead-of-wembley-play-off-final (https://www.90min.com/posts/6070458-steve-bruce-backs-john-terry-s-bizarre-chelsea-request-ahead-of-wembley-play-off-final)

FFS.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: olaftab on May 25, 2018, 03:00:37 PM
If that’s all it takes to get promoted I will take it. I doubt very much whether he will play a lot in any case next season.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Lastfootstamper on May 25, 2018, 03:29:11 PM
BS you say...

Steve Bruce Backs John Terry's Bizarre Chelsea Request Ahead of Wembley Play-Off Final

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Aston Villa boss Steve Bruce has sensationally stated that he will not force John Terry to feature against ​Chelsea next season should his side claim promotion to the ​Premier League on Saturday.

"We'll not pick him against Chelsea if that's he wants," he said.

https://www.90min.com/posts/6070458-steve-bruce-backs-john-terry-s-bizarre-chelsea-request-ahead-of-wembley-play-off-final (https://www.90min.com/posts/6070458-steve-bruce-backs-john-terry-s-bizarre-chelsea-request-ahead-of-wembley-play-off-final)

That's word for word the Telegraph article.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 25, 2018, 03:46:34 PM
Obscure website says the worst case. The horse's mouth says it's bollocks. Let's go with the bullshit and get hysterical.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Ad@m on May 25, 2018, 03:55:14 PM
Obscure website says the worst case. The horse's mouth says it's bollocks. Let's go with the bullshit and get hysterical.

Who's getting hysterical?

Given Bruce is directly involved in the discussions, how's a direct quote from him not from the horse's mouth?

Since when did the Telegraph become an 'obscure website'?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 25, 2018, 04:01:35 PM
he can just get a red before he wants them

i reckon he will play them anyway
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Lastfootstamper on May 25, 2018, 04:02:23 PM
And what did Bruce actually say? Anything about contract clauses or demands from the player?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Ad@m on May 25, 2018, 04:12:43 PM
And what did Bruce actually say? Anything about contract clauses or demands from the player?

Quote
"We'll not pick him against Chelsea if that's he wants,"

Now that's obviously in response to a journo asking him something along the lines of "We understand John Terry has requested not to play against Chelsea if Villa get promoted.  What's your view on that Steve?"

If it were bollocks, surely Bruce would've said that's a load of rubbish, rather than answering the way he did?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Lastfootstamper on May 25, 2018, 04:31:23 PM
And what did Bruce actually say? Anything about contract clauses or demands from the player?

Quote
"We'll not pick him against Chelsea if that's he wants,"

Now that's obviously in response to a journo asking him something along the lines of "We understand John Terry has requested not to play against Chelsea if Villa get promoted.  What's your view on that Steve?"

If it were bollocks, surely Bruce would've said that's a load of rubbish, rather than answering the way he did?

You don't know if that happened. Terry himself has said it was bollocks. And where did said journo get the info for this imaginary conversation that Terry's requested not to play against Chelsea? Again, Terry's denied it, so it wasnt from him.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: eamonn on May 25, 2018, 04:44:50 PM
Seems like the only Percy we can trust is the one who posts on here and I don't think he's even really a Percy.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 25, 2018, 05:28:08 PM
Obscure website says the worst case. The horse's mouth says it's bollocks. Let's go with the bullshit and get hysterical.

Who's getting hysterical?

Given Bruce is directly involved in the discussions, how's a direct quote from him not from the horse's mouth?

Since when did the Telegraph become an 'obscure website'?

The day a quote from me that I'd never said appeared in the Dictionary of Football Quotations was the day I first thought that direct quote = must be the truth was bollocks. The second time was when the Mail ran a back page lead about a quote from me that was totally fabricated. Other examples are available.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Mister E on May 25, 2018, 06:48:13 PM
I wonder if the fact that Lampard has apparently applied for the Derby job might affect Terry's decision about his future. Derby might be interested in a double act ...
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Big Dick Edwards on May 25, 2018, 07:42:40 PM
In a parallel universe with Villa playing Chelsea in a Champions League Final, would John Terry really rather sit it out?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Tayls_7 on May 25, 2018, 08:22:16 PM
In a parallel universe with Villa playing Chelsea in a Champions League Final, would John Terry really rather sit it out?

Would you contribute to stopping Villa winning the CL?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 27, 2018, 01:38:17 AM
Touching moment after the game where Terry goes over to Jack, who looks gutted, and gives him a pep talk. It should have been the other way round, it was obvious Terry had shed a tear or three.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: ROBBO on May 27, 2018, 02:40:16 AM
Jack is the only one that was making things happen and to my mind he was the only reason we qualified for the play offs. There lies the problem wingers who are not fast enough and midfielders who are not good enough, he may have been upset as it could be his last game in a Villa shirt.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: wittonwarrior on May 27, 2018, 02:52:42 AM
Hope he gives us another 12 months he has been immense
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: mr underhill on May 27, 2018, 07:09:19 AM
he wouldn't last another season. I'd like him to stay in a player coach role maybe.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on May 27, 2018, 09:23:23 AM
 It was probably the most touching moment of the game
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Risso on May 27, 2018, 09:29:34 AM
He was rubbish yesterday. Looked every bit his age.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chris Jameson on May 27, 2018, 09:35:03 AM
He was rubbish yesterday. Looked every bit his age.

My thoughts exactly.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Bad English on May 27, 2018, 09:49:21 AM
I'm still chuckling at 'John Terry's still-wet dick'.

Then again, I've got a maturity-quotient of 14½.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: David_Nab on May 27, 2018, 09:57:27 AM
He was rubbish yesterday. Looked every bit his age.

Yes the Fulham manager's old and tired comments proved to be correct

He has done well this season but he should be let go now.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Villa in Denmark on May 27, 2018, 10:40:21 AM
I'm still chuckling at 'John Terry's still-wet dick'.

Then again, I've got a maturity-quotient of 14½.

Not just me then.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 27, 2018, 10:51:53 AM
He looked dreadful yesterday.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Bad English on May 27, 2018, 11:22:37 AM
I'm still chuckling at 'John Terry's still-wet dick'.

Then again, I've got a maturity-quotient of 14½.

Not just me then.
Good name for a new poster.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Steve67 on May 27, 2018, 11:09:22 PM
The Daily Mail carrying an article on Newsnow tonight that JT has said his goodbyes to the club.  At 37 and 60k a week, and fading by the week, I think this is in the club's best interests.  He's been great in terms of lifting the profile of the club and raising professionalism but there comes a time when we need to ditch some of the old timers and move on. 
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: andyh on May 27, 2018, 11:29:26 PM
Maybe we can get Gaz Baz back now.
He’s what?  36?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: mr underhill on May 28, 2018, 07:16:20 AM
please please please no more 30 plus players. It cost us big time.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Ad@m on May 28, 2018, 07:49:03 AM
Maybe we can get Gaz Baz back now.
He’s what?  36?

Ignoring the fact he effectively called time on his career when he signed for that shower, he's hardly been a shining example of professionalism over there has he?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: AsTallAsLions on May 28, 2018, 07:56:50 AM
The Daily Mail carrying an article on Newsnow tonight that JT has said his goodbyes to the club.  At 37 and 60k a week, and fading by the week, I think this is in the club's best interests.  He's been great in terms of lifting the profile of the club and raising professionalism but there comes a time when we need to ditch some of the old timers and move on. 

Agreed, he's done his job and should go now, or move into a coaching role if we can accommodate that.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: wittonwarrior on May 28, 2018, 09:39:51 AM
Thanks for  everything  John, it wasn't your fault we didn't succeed this season. 
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: mr underhill on May 28, 2018, 09:42:03 AM
I'd like to see Terry stay in some capacity.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: purpletrousers on May 28, 2018, 09:55:03 AM
If we have to keep Bruce, JT as assistant player/manager might be more realistic, a back up emergency centre back and the positive influence continues? He seems to have emotionally invested in us, and many of us have been happy to allow him another chance (in view of past ethics).
I guess it depends on whether he wants a last hurrah overseas. I can't see him going elsewhere in these isles, unless the money motivates, but *now* I don't see him as a man that it would.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Pete3206 on May 28, 2018, 02:34:27 PM
Profile pic already removed from the squad section on the OS. Don't worry though, Micah's still there!
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: AsTallAsLions on May 28, 2018, 02:40:58 PM
Profile pic already removed from the squad section on the OS. Don't worry though, Micah's still there!

Christ, that's quick?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 28, 2018, 02:45:56 PM
Profile pic already removed from the squad section on the OS. Don't worry though, Micah's still there!

He's still on the squad page

Squad page (https://www.avfc.co.uk/teams/first-team)
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 28, 2018, 03:04:03 PM
Profile pic already removed from the squad section on the OS. Don't worry though, Micah's still there!

He's still on the squad page

Squad page (https://www.avfc.co.uk/teams/first-team)

I can't see him on there.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on May 28, 2018, 03:08:24 PM
Profile pic already removed from the squad section on the OS. Don't worry though, Micah's still there!

He's still on the squad page

Squad page (https://www.avfc.co.uk/teams/first-team)

I can't see him on there.
Well he certainly is now.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: AsTallAsLions on May 28, 2018, 03:08:43 PM
Profile pic already removed from the squad section on the OS. Don't worry though, Micah's still there!

He's still on the squad page

Squad page (https://www.avfc.co.uk/teams/first-team)

I can't see him on there.

Neither can I. Toronto I suspect you've got it cached mate (that is, if you've been on there before).

I've never accessed that area of the site in my life and I see the whole squad except him currently. Unless it's browser sensitive which would be very very strange.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on May 28, 2018, 03:11:30 PM
I’m looking on my phone and he’s there.  It’s not cached as I don’t go on that page really and the likes of Axel are on it
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: supertom on May 28, 2018, 03:12:36 PM
He came. He's had a positive impact around the club and on the squad. But we've got to start thinking for the future. We've punted everything on short term impact for two seasons in the Championship, firstly by spending huge money on the 'best' players in the division and in addition over the past 24 months on old heads. Warhorses.

To an extent there's been a step forward, but we placed all our chips on experience and/or big spending and we're still a Championship side.

Terry can go with best wishes but he needs to go. We can't afford to keep him and he's too old. His influence on Grealish for one will be something we could benefit from greatly next season.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: AsTallAsLions on May 28, 2018, 03:12:57 PM
I’m looking on my phone and he’s there.  It’s not cached as I don’t go on that page really and the likes of Axel are on it

Very weird!
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on May 28, 2018, 03:13:35 PM

(https://thumb.ibb.co/m8kj3J/3437_CC11_4_FF9_4_AAB_A677_33_F130_D7_C6_A3.png) (https://ibb.co/m8kj3J)
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 28, 2018, 03:14:54 PM
Not there.


(https://thumb.ibb.co/cUYbHd/Screenshot_2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/cUYbHd)



(https://thumb.ibb.co/hBVj3J/Screenshot_3.jpg) (https://ibb.co/hBVj3J)
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on May 28, 2018, 03:16:35 PM
It must just be a website error.  Removing him before any announcement is just unnecessary
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 28, 2018, 03:16:38 PM
It's the same on my phone and laptop, both use Chrome.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Exeter 77 on May 28, 2018, 03:17:46 PM
I can't see Terry or Snodgrass on there.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on May 28, 2018, 03:19:28 PM
I can't see Terry or Snodgrass on there.


(https://thumb.ibb.co/ce0Fcd/DBCA723_B_B17_D_4075_B046_533_CEB499_C7_E.png) (https://ibb.co/ce0Fcd)

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Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Exeter 77 on May 28, 2018, 03:26:09 PM
I can't see Terry or Snodgrass on there.


(https://thumb.ibb.co/ce0Fcd/DBCA723_B_B17_D_4075_B046_533_CEB499_C7_E.png) (https://ibb.co/ce0Fcd)

delete sourceforge account (https://deleteacc.com/sourceforge)

I'm sure what you want me to do with that link.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Exeter 77 on May 28, 2018, 03:32:58 PM
Strangely the link TV pasted above isn't showing all the players (including Gollini as well as Terry and Snodgrass and possibly some others) but the app on my phone is even after I've cleared the cache. A bit strange.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on May 28, 2018, 03:36:15 PM
I can't see Terry or Snodgrass on there.


(https://thumb.ibb.co/ce0Fcd/DBCA723_B_B17_D_4075_B046_533_CEB499_C7_E.png) (https://ibb.co/ce0Fcd)

delete sourceforge account (https://deleteacc.com/sourceforge)

I'm sure what you want me to do with that link.
If you click on the picture you can see Snoddy is on there.  I’ve no idea where the other link came from
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Risso on May 28, 2018, 03:37:45 PM
Profile pic already removed from the squad section on the OS. Don't worry though, Micah's still there!

He's still on the squad page

Squad page (https://www.avfc.co.uk/teams/first-team)

I can't see him on there.

Between Elphick and Elmo, last row of the defenders.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 28, 2018, 03:39:53 PM
Quote
Absolutely devastated to lose.

Our goal as a football club - players, staff, owner and fans - was to achieve promotion.

It kills me that we weren’t able to achieve what we set out to do.

All I can say is that we gave it our all throughout the season, had incredible support from our fans, but unfortunately fell just short.

Thank you for all the support throughout the season.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 28, 2018, 03:41:48 PM
In any case. I don’t think it matters. I can’t see us keeping Terry or any of the loan players Johnstone, Snodgrass etc. Any contract that is disposable will be gone first. I think the club will do everything possible to keep the players they want to keep by shedding everything else first. Easier said than done of course.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Exeter 77 on May 28, 2018, 03:45:56 PM
I can't see Terry or Snodgrass on there.


(https://thumb.ibb.co/ce0Fcd/DBCA723_B_B17_D_4075_B046_533_CEB499_C7_E.png) (https://ibb.co/ce0Fcd)

delete sourceforge account (https://deleteacc.com/sourceforge)

I'm sure what you want me to do with that link.
If you click on the picture you can see Snoddy is on there.  I’ve no idea where the other link came from
Ahh... Thanks.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: jwarry on May 30, 2018, 05:35:18 PM
Terry off then, thanks JT you turned out better than expected
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: David_Nab on May 30, 2018, 05:36:48 PM
Officially gone ...first of many I think ..
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: WarszaVillan on May 30, 2018, 05:42:49 PM
Hopefully can be replaced by someone with a bit of pace
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: AsTallAsLions on May 30, 2018, 06:15:24 PM
Hopefully can be replaced by someone with a bit of pace

How? A loan? A free? Who's available that fits that bill?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Bad English on May 30, 2018, 06:25:03 PM
See ya!
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Kevin Dawson on May 30, 2018, 06:31:16 PM
Wish him well. He's been an excellent captain, and set an example, and been an influence, to the younger players. Best wishes JT.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: TheMalandro on May 30, 2018, 06:37:02 PM
I was hoping he'd get Bruce's job.

Only really because he'd attract decent players, even if they were just loan signins.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: AsTallAsLions on May 30, 2018, 06:37:07 PM
Wish him well. He's been an excellent captain, and set an example, and been an influence, to the younger players. Best wishes JT.

Yep. Pretty much echoes my thoughts too.

Safe travels JT, wherever you go. Thanks for giving it your best.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on May 30, 2018, 06:44:52 PM
Yes but we need to move on.  £3m saved.  £37m to go.  Next.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: WarszaVillan on May 30, 2018, 07:33:06 PM
Hopefully can be replaced by someone with a bit of pace

How? A loan? A free? Who's available that fits that bill?

Dunno I'm not a scout
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: KevinGage on May 30, 2018, 07:37:09 PM
Totally understandable given the circumstances, but my initial feeling is this is a mistake. As I understand it, there was an option to extend and that is something we should have pushed for. Unless we really are in dire straits.

Terry had formed a good partnership with Chester and, whatever other issues we had a side, defensively we were sound. 

Our upturn in form owes a lot to him and -where possible- we should be looking to keep that leadership core. Which to me would include Terry, Chester, Jedinak and Snodgrass.  The latter was a loan, but he's been excellent for us too. On and off the pitch.

We secured 80+ points last season and much as I share the same concerns about Bruce as many here, it's difficult to argue that we haven't progressed substantially on his watch. We looked very one dimensional in his first season, with everything going through Kodjia. He often needed to pull something out of nothing for us to have a hope of winning.

Last season the goals came from a variety of sources and we looked a far bigger attacking threat from the arrival of Agnew onwards. I would love us to have a manager like Jokanovic -and advocated as much when it looked like he was losing patience with the Fulham board last summer.

But at this juncture, I'm not sure I have the appetite for a total rebuild. We fell short this year, but not by much. So rather than rip the whole thing up, look at keeping that core and then bring in some dynamism in the centre of the park to give us extra legs there.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: kieron on May 30, 2018, 07:40:22 PM
Thank you, Mr Terry.

Sorry to see you go.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Ad@m on May 30, 2018, 07:58:47 PM
Oh well.  I didn't want him and I'm not going to lose any sleep over him going.  The only slight pang of annoyance is that our club is in a state where a geriatric John Terry leaving us gets reported as though we're not good enough for him.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: KevinGage on May 30, 2018, 07:59:20 PM
The Terry deal always had a short term feel to it, so with his age, it's not totally surprising.

But the concern is that when you lose one of your best players, others soon follow.

Chester, Grealish and co might look at that and think 'this club isn't even trying now, so no point hanging around.'
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: mr underhill on May 30, 2018, 08:39:21 PM
yhey won't have a choice if the right money comes in. We're fooked financially
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: sickbeggar on May 30, 2018, 10:26:53 PM
Like Snodgrass really. One of the main reasons we got to the play-offs. Can't keep him because we didn't go up, probably wouldn't have kept him if we'd got promoted. Wish him well.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 30, 2018, 10:27:13 PM
Apologies if I missed it, but couldn't see this:

A parting message from John Terry.
“Today I part ways with Aston Villa Football Club. I’m very proud to have had the opportunity to play and captain this great and huge club. I have given my everything this year both on and off the pitch and I’m still hurting today that we never managed to get back to the Premier League, where this club 100% belongs.
“I would like to thank Steve Bruce who was instrumental in me joining Villa, I have learnt so much from him as a manger this season that will stay with me forever.Also, I’d like to thank all the staff and players and our owner Dr Tony, who it was a real pleasure and honour to work with everyday.
“Finally, a special thank you to the Villa supporters who have supported us both home and away in their thousands, up and down the country and have been amazing to me on a personal level. Villa will always have a place in my heart and I will look back on my time here and think about how close we were to reaching our goal. But now going forward, I would like to wish the management, staff, players and supporters good luck for the future.”
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Mortimer's Bear on May 30, 2018, 10:30:19 PM
I wish him well in his future endeavours, I think he has changed a lot of opinions in his short time with us. His attitude has been exemplary.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Steve67 on May 30, 2018, 10:31:16 PM
He's not staying because he knows Bruce is going?  Hmmm, conspiracy theory!!  To be fair, he was on bucket loads of money, failed his objective and his legs are going.  He was pretty good for our profile but he couldn't get out quick enough whilst the rest of us are still reeling from the weekend.  He might at least have pretended to have a good think about it and leave it a couple of weeks!!  Chester is far more important to us.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Nunkin1965 on May 30, 2018, 10:32:28 PM
Yeah well I thought he was brilliant for us. Know he did a fantastic job off the pitch as well as on but unfortunately we just missed out on the big prize.
All the best Mr T.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: brontebilly on May 30, 2018, 10:34:32 PM
Top player for us but irrespective of financials it was time to call an end to it. I don't see Terry being a success anywhere else next season, in fact I fully expect him to retire. When we signed him I was very dubious of his motives but he was a superb addition on and off the pitch.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Ad@m on May 30, 2018, 10:36:12 PM
I can see him following Lampard and taking a fat cheque to go and play in the US for a season.

When does Beckham's Miami team get up and running?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 30, 2018, 10:36:38 PM
His contract expires in a month and I assume he's been told it won't be renewed, or he's said he wants to leave, so no point him hanging around really.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: old man villa fan on May 30, 2018, 10:41:47 PM
Top player for us but irrespective of financials it was time to call an end to it. I don't see Terry being a success anywhere else next season, in fact I fully expect him to retire. When we signed him I was very dubious of his motives but he was a superb addition on and off the pitch.

If he does retire, it was a very professional way to end his career.  I was against bringing him in because I couldn't see us getting value for the high wages.  I was wrong and have been very impressed how he took on the responsibility of demanding a professional attitude from the rest of the players.  I think it was no coincidence that we saw less and less of Gabby around the matchday squad.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Ads on May 30, 2018, 10:44:45 PM
Excellent player. Best English centre half of his generation by a mile.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on May 30, 2018, 10:45:01 PM
Rumours that he is off to Derby or Rangers.  Wouldn’t surprised if he turned up as a coach with Lampard.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 30, 2018, 10:47:03 PM
I made my views on him plain, but in fairness he conducted himself very well while here and if the majority of our players over recent years had shown the same professional attitude as he has here I very much doubt we'd be stuck in this poxy division for a 3rd season.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chris Jameson on May 30, 2018, 10:48:59 PM
Delete the thread. Pretend he was never here.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Stinkin_Thinkin on May 30, 2018, 10:58:03 PM
he was a big presence but not any outstanding performances I can remember. Chester did most of the grafting.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: brentastonb6 on May 30, 2018, 11:11:43 PM
Rumours that he is off to Derby or Rangers.  Wouldn’t surprised if he turned up as a coach with Lampard.
This- At Derby with Lampard.
Good luck John and thank you for at least trying.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: sickbeggar on May 30, 2018, 11:18:43 PM
he was a big presence but not any outstanding performances I can remember. Chester did most of the grafting.


well that's a bit unfair. At the start of the season chester was noticeably out of form. In fact i remember people trying to blame Terry for it!
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 30, 2018, 11:21:01 PM
Didn't want us to sign him for the obvious reasons but impressed me on the pitch and also off it where he kept his head down and got on with things.

Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: OzVilla on May 30, 2018, 11:22:41 PM
He did great for us and really bought in to the Villa you felt, you could see that whenever we scored.  I expected that whatever happened he'd be gone after this season so no surprise at all. Enhanced his reputation as a bloke with me, which admittedly wouldn't have been hard.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: olaftab on May 30, 2018, 11:23:56 PM
Delete the thread. Pretend he was never here.
This.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 30, 2018, 11:24:28 PM
Delete the thread. Pretend he was never here.

Hull need a Dawson replacement....
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 30, 2018, 11:42:43 PM
Look forward to seeing him replaced by a cheap twelve year old.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: tomd2103 on May 31, 2018, 12:13:32 AM
Whatever anyone thinks of him personally, he gave it his all while he was here and clearly was a good influence around the place in footballing terms.  I just wish certain other players, who have had nowhere near the career he has, had shown a similar level of commitment.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: sickbeggar on May 31, 2018, 12:20:33 AM
Aye, compare his statement to Gabby's twitter ramblings about proving all the doubters wrong and how good he was etc.. Give me Terry anyday to the likes of him and SVC.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Steve67 on May 31, 2018, 06:09:35 AM
Look forward to seeing him replaced by a cheap twelve year old.

Despite the gravity of the situation, this made me laugh. A return to gallows humour might just see us through.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: mr underhill on May 31, 2018, 06:35:01 AM
The only way we could have kept him was to make him head coach and that wasn't going to happen.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on May 31, 2018, 07:13:55 AM
Rumours that he is off to Derby or Rangers.  Wouldn’t surprised if he turned up as a coach with Lampard.
This- At Derby with Lampard.
Good luck John and thank you for at least trying.

Wonder if he will have a clause where he doesn’t have to face the Villa.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: wittonwarrior on May 31, 2018, 07:53:36 AM
I just hope he doesn't turn up in a shirt of one of our rivals, e.g. Derby.  The fella did great for us.  Quite obvious why we couldnt keep him on. 
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: mr underhill on May 31, 2018, 08:37:34 AM
I honestly can't see him playing  in England again - maybe the odd match in Scotland if he went to Rangers, or  in the USA. But not in the top two  English leagues
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: ozzjim on May 31, 2018, 08:45:56 AM
As well as he did, isn't he 38 soon. We do need a longer term solution and a bit more pace at the back. We sit so deep it hurts how we function going forward.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Ads on May 31, 2018, 08:46:50 AM
I doubt he's going to rock up at Derby. Part of the reason Rowett went was the financial restrictions they're now facing.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chris Smith on May 31, 2018, 09:08:30 AM
I doubt he's going to rock up at Derby. Part of the reason Rowett went was the financial restrictions they're now facing.

Probably right but I think the Lampard appointment makes it a possibility.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Ads on May 31, 2018, 09:11:40 AM
Would mean one of Davis or Keogh going.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: boozey182 on May 31, 2018, 10:04:25 AM
I don't think he had anywhere near the kind of influence that has been suggested, so him going is great news; we can replace him with someone better suited to our team for much less money. We're going to need to do this throughout the team, but this should be one of the easier ones to solve. Not least because we should have been preparing for this gap in the team for a long time.

Ultimately, he was a bit of a Ronny Johnsen signing. But at a much lower level and on much more money.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: mr underhill on May 31, 2018, 10:26:18 AM
with respect I think you've massively under valued the influence he had.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: postal on May 31, 2018, 10:38:47 AM
with respect I think you've massively under valued the influence he had.

Hopefully the legacy of his influence will continue - even if it is only for the change of respect that the players found for themselves that seems to be missing for so long.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: boozey182 on May 31, 2018, 10:41:37 AM
with respect I think you've massively under valued the influence he had.

You may well be right, and I suppose we may never really know. But if he was such a good defender, why did we still concede so many sloppy goals against poor opposition? If he was such a good leader, why did we still choke when we really needed to get a result? If he was so important to our team, why didn't results get worse when he was out? If he was such a winner, why didn't we come back from losing positions very often? If he was worth paying more than anybody else in the league, why wasn't he anywhere near the best player in the league?

I'm not saying our failure was all his fault, of course it wasn't. I'm just suggesting that we won't miss him. He was the captain and highest paid player of one of the worst Villa teams in my lifetime.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: manic-road on May 31, 2018, 10:42:07 AM
I don't think he had anywhere near the kind of influence that has been suggested, so him going is great news; we can replace him with someone better suited to our team for much less money. We're going to need to do this throughout the team, but this should be one of the easier ones to solve. Not least because we should have been preparing for this gap in the team for a long time.

Ultimately, he was a bit of a Ronny Johnsen signing. But at a much lower level and on much more money.

Who is this player that is better and cheaper? He had a massive bearing on the younger players with his professionalism and the likes of Jack have massively matured over the past season. I had heard it was a toxic dressing room before he arrived and he helped change a lot of that into a strong unit.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Nunkin1965 on May 31, 2018, 10:48:55 AM
People will see what they want to see.
I know for a fact that the impact on the younger lads was massive.
Any player can be blamed for any situation if you want to make it fit.
You could argue it either way. He’s had left backs at right back. Right backs at left back. An ever changing midfield around him and a frontline that’s blown hot and cold all season.
Collectively it’s as a team that’s made us fall short. Not just a former and total professional Champios League winner.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: olaftab on May 31, 2018, 10:53:32 AM
I don't think he had anywhere near the kind of influence that has been suggested, so him going is great news; we can replace him with someone better suited to our team for much less money. We're going to need to do this throughout the team, but this should be one of the easier ones to solve. Not least because we should have been preparing for this gap in the team for a long time.

Ultimately, he was a bit of a Ronny Johnsen signing. But at a much lower level and on much more money.
I agree with this. Whilst there was no doubt about his admirable professionalism overall on the pitch he wasn't that good and let's face it even with Terry in the team we failed. Time to build the defence around Chester with good young players.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Risso on May 31, 2018, 11:51:02 AM
Chester was a much, much, much better defender than Terry this season.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on May 31, 2018, 12:06:40 PM


I didn't want Terry, but he was excellent for us on and off the pitch. But he wasn't the Terry of old let's be honest. He had mistakes in him and there's no way his legs would've lasted another season.

If anything i think we'll miss Terry off the pitch more than on it next season. Maybe a coaching role could be found if he's ready to hang up his boots.

I still can't see why we have Calderwood, Agnew and Clemence all doing the same job by the looks of it. One of them will surely have to go this summer.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: AsTallAsLions on May 31, 2018, 12:09:44 PM
Chester was a much, much, much better defender than Terry this season.

Agreed, but I think it's also true to say that we'll really miss Terry.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Ads on May 31, 2018, 12:10:19 PM
Chester was a much, much, much better defender than Terry this season.

I wouldn't disagree that Chester has been superb. But him playing next to Terry will be a feature of that rather than Baker.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on May 31, 2018, 12:17:15 PM
Chester was a much, much, much better defender than Terry this season.

I wouldn't disagree that Chester has been superb. But him playing next to Terry will be a feature of that rather than Baker.

I think many of us couldn't see anything wrong with the Chester/Baker partnership or why it needed breaking up at the time

Maybe we can get him back on the cheap

Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: mr underhill on May 31, 2018, 12:33:24 PM
thanks, but no thanks. Baker was a total liability most of the time.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Nunkin1965 on May 31, 2018, 12:41:51 PM
Chester was a much, much, much better defender than Terry this season.

I wouldn't disagree that Chester has been superb. But him playing next to Terry will be a feature of that rather than Baker.
Think as a partnership they were great.
I’d argue that playing alongside Terry improved Chester’s overall game.
Chester was brilliant throughout aswell. Hope we can keep him. Imagine if we lost both!
Still it’s all over now so onwards we go.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Ads on May 31, 2018, 01:01:16 PM
Chester was a much, much, much better defender than Terry this season.

I wouldn't disagree that Chester has been superb. But him playing next to Terry will be a feature of that rather than Baker.

I think many of us couldn't see anything wrong with the Chester/Baker partnership or why it needed breaking up at the time

Maybe we can get him back on the cheap



Baker's decision making and distribution was awful. To get £5 million for him was good business.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: paul_e on May 31, 2018, 01:54:59 PM
Terry had a great positive impact off the pitch, on the pitch I think he's clearly on the way down, there were a few games where he looked out of his depth even at this level, that's no real shame for a 37 year old but it's not something that will improve next season and i think the pace of English football is too much for him now.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: mr underhill on May 31, 2018, 02:25:15 PM
In many ways you are right but equally, he often made a great job of disguising his failing physical ability with his reading of the game, which at times, was lovely to watch.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on May 31, 2018, 03:44:46 PM
Baker's decision making and distribution was awful. To get £5 million for him was good business.

Say what you will, but our defence in the first Championship season wasn't the problem by any stretch of the imagination. Baker was, and still is good enough at this level IMHO

Goals against 16/17 season 48
Goals against 17/18 season 42

The goals for went up from 47 to 72 mind
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: The Edge on May 31, 2018, 03:48:38 PM
Apologies if I missed it, but couldn't see this:

A parting message from John Terry.
“Today I part ways with Aston Villa Football Club. I’m very proud to have had the opportunity to play and captain this great and huge club. I have given my everything this year both on and off the pitch and I’m still hurting today that we never managed to get back to the Premier League, where this club 100% belongs.
“I would like to thank Steve Bruce who was instrumental in me joining Villa, I have learnt so much from him as a manger this season that will stay with me forever.Also, I’d like to thank all the staff and players and our owner Dr Tony, who it was a real pleasure and honour to work with everyday.
“Finally, a special thank you to the Villa supporters who have supported us both home and away in their thousands, up and down the country and have been amazing to me on a personal level. Villa will always have a place in my heart and I will look back on my time here and think about how close we were to reaching our goal. But now going forward, I would like to wish the management, staff, players and supporters good luck for the future.”
Your opening comment makes no sense to me.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: The Edge on May 31, 2018, 03:50:52 PM
Delete the thread. Pretend he was never here.
This is a bit uncalled for really.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: russon on May 31, 2018, 04:23:09 PM
Terry was a great influence and earned my respect for sure. Refreshing to have one season of his commitment compared to five of hero worshipped Gabby who treated us with contempt.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: AsTallAsLions on May 31, 2018, 04:25:10 PM
Delete the thread. Pretend he was never here.
This is a bit uncalled for really.

Please just don't.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chris Jameson on May 31, 2018, 04:29:52 PM
Delete the thread. Pretend he was never here.
This is a bit uncalled for really.

Please just don't.

Snowflakes.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Mister E on May 31, 2018, 07:13:46 PM
Terry to Derby as player-coach?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: mr underhill on May 31, 2018, 08:40:15 PM
can they afford him and FF?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: VinnieChase84 on May 31, 2018, 08:42:06 PM
can they afford him and FF?

Mate of mine who is big derby says there’s now way they can play him anywhere what he was on with us
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Ads on May 31, 2018, 09:26:17 PM
It's a bit of a head scratcher. Part of the reason Rowett is off is because they have to slash costs.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: wozwebs on May 31, 2018, 11:19:52 PM
https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/706597/Frank-Lampard-Derby-John-Terry-Chelsea-manager-Aston-Villa

Star (I know!!) say he’s off to Derby. Can guarantee them going up next season now, just you watch.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 31, 2018, 11:48:16 PM
Terry was a great influence and earned my respect for sure. Refreshing to have one season of his commitment compared to five of hero worshipped Gabby who treated us with contempt.

Spot on.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 01, 2018, 01:05:17 AM
https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/706597/Frank-Lampard-Derby-John-Terry-Chelsea-manager-Aston-Villa

Star (I know!!) say he’s off to Derby. Can guarantee them going up next season now, just you watch.

Derby are cutting costs too. Unless he does it as a favour which is highly unlikely they're unlikely to want to add 50-60k a week for Terry however good he is at this level and irrespective of the relationship with the  new manager.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: mr underhill on June 01, 2018, 07:17:15 AM
The Rams are as hamstrung as we are financially, so I think this is unlikely. Anyway I really appreciated JT's contribution last season but that doesn't mean I'd feel too comfortable with a managerial rookie at the helm, let along two. I think Mel might have dropped a bollock here.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Duncan Shaw on June 01, 2018, 10:07:10 AM
The Rams are as hamstrung as we are financially, so I think this is unlikely. Anyway I really appreciated JT's contribution last season but that doesn't mean I'd feel too comfortable with a managerial rookie at the helm, let along two. I think Mel might have dropped a bollock here.

You can bet your bottom dollar that if it was us it would end up as a car crash, but it'll probably bloody work for them!

I think JT the player is bordering past it even at theis level now - Fulham constantly targetted that channel first half and played one through ball that he couldn't turn quickly enough on the edge of his box and bang it was a goal.  he would have merit in the dressing room for Lampard though as he did here, by getting the squad unified and on side with the manager.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: AsTallAsLions on June 01, 2018, 11:11:08 AM
He's met up with our lad Chester on holiday today (via Instagram).

What a partnership they made. Hopefully JT will be bigging him up now to dig his heels in and carry on as captain.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: PeterWithe on June 01, 2018, 11:15:02 AM
Thats Chester's honeymoon isn't it?

He just has to turn up everywhere doesn't he?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: AsTallAsLions on June 01, 2018, 11:17:03 AM
Thats Chester's honeymoon isn't it?

He just has to turn up everywhere doesn't he?

Hah!

All the same I doubt he'd be there if he wasn't wanted. JT seems to have rented or bought a yacht and is sailing around Greece on it so he's probably just dropped by for a quick beer and a photo op and then back on the seas again. As rich folk are wont to do, it seems.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Eckybloke on June 01, 2018, 11:17:42 AM
I'm still glass very empty at the moment and my worry is that the professionalism and drive that Terry and Snodgrass served up is going to be lost for good.

Sure they were both pretty ponderous on Saturday but the effect they've both had was obvious.  It's not as if Villa has had that as a club ethos for years.  The effect of all these leeches and hangers on has poisoned the club and I think it needed another year or so of leadership in the dressing room to sort it out.

Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: PeterWithe on June 01, 2018, 11:18:21 AM
Aint life grand?

Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: olaftab on June 01, 2018, 11:59:55 AM
Thats Chester's honeymoon isn't it?

He just has to turn up everywhere doesn't he?
If it is their honeymoon than our James needs to be careful with JT sniffing around.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Ads on June 01, 2018, 12:01:34 PM
I'm still glass very empty at the moment and my worry is that the professionalism and drive that Terry and Snodgrass served up is going to be lost for good.

Sure they were both pretty ponderous on Saturday but the effect they've both had was obvious.  It's not as if Villa has had that as a club ethos for years.  The effect of all these leeches and hangers on has poisoned the club and I think it needed another year or so of leadership in the dressing room to sort it out.



Professionalism rubs off just as much as half arsed behaviour does.

The club has been changed for the better in this regard.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: mr underhill on June 01, 2018, 12:32:50 PM
fuck me, we've got to cheer up. And that's an order.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: mattjpa on June 01, 2018, 12:41:41 PM
fuck me, we've got to cheer up. And that's an order.
we need some good news. Anything. The worst thing Re JT is he wanted to stay but was not offered the chance. The irony is not lost that JTs wages are probably less than the combined amount thrown on the Richards/McCormack bonfire every week
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: old man villa fan on June 01, 2018, 12:51:10 PM
The Rams are as hamstrung as we are financially, so I think this is unlikely. Anyway I really appreciated JT's contribution last season but that doesn't mean I'd feel too comfortable with a managerial rookie at the helm, let along two. I think Mel might have dropped a bollock here.

You can bet your bottom dollar that if it was us it would end up as a car crash, but it'll probably bloody work for them!

I think JT the player is bordering past it even at theis level now - Fulham constantly targetted that channel first half and played one through ball that he couldn't turn quickly enough on the edge of his box and bang it was a goal.  he would have merit in the dressing room for Lampard though as he did here, by getting the squad unified and on side with the manager.

The ball was played outside of Hutton to a position where Hutton should have been. It was nothing to do with Terry's turning ability. A fast central defender would have done well to get over to cover Hutton and cut out the advancing player with the ball.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: AsTallAsLions on June 01, 2018, 12:52:35 PM
fuck me, we've got to cheer up. And that's an order.
we need some good news. Anything. The worst thing Re JT is he wanted to stay but was not offered the chance. The irony is not lost that JTs wages are probably less than the combined amount thrown on the Richards/McCormack bonfire every week

This.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Pat McMahon on June 01, 2018, 01:16:51 PM
I'm still glass very empty at the moment and my worry is that the professionalism and drive that Terry and Snodgrass served up is going to be lost for good.

Sure they were both pretty ponderous on Saturday but the effect they've both had was obvious.  It's not as if Villa has had that as a club ethos for years.  The effect of all these leeches and hangers on has poisoned the club and I think it needed another year or so of leadership in the dressing room to sort it out.



Professionalism rubs off just as much as half arsed behaviour does.

The club has been changed for the better in this regard.


One of Chico's mates from Stourbridge was telling me after the game last week that he knows somebody who works at Bodymoor Heath. Apparently it is a joy to work there now, unlike previous seasons, as there is a sense of professionalism and pride. Some top class pros with good attitude, but apparently all from the top down thanks to Bruce.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Duncan Shaw on June 01, 2018, 01:19:54 PM
The Rams are as hamstrung as we are financially, so I think this is unlikely. Anyway I really appreciated JT's contribution last season but that doesn't mean I'd feel too comfortable with a managerial rookie at the helm, let along two. I think Mel might have dropped a bollock here.

You can bet your bottom dollar that if it was us it would end up as a car crash, but it'll probably bloody work for them!

I think JT the player is bordering past it even at theis level now - Fulham constantly targetted that channel first half and played one through ball that he couldn't turn quickly enough on the edge of his box and bang it was a goal.  he would have merit in the dressing room for Lampard though as he did here, by getting the squad unified and on side with the manager.

The ball was played outside of Hutton to a position where Hutton should have been. It was nothing to do with Terry's turning ability. A fast central defender would have done well to get over to cover Hutton and cut out the advancing player with the ball.

Aah yes you're right, I'd erased the finer details of it from my mind, clearly!!!
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: ozzjim on June 01, 2018, 01:45:27 PM
In fairness he looked more tired as the season went on. Chester played very well with him though. We have to get a decent sized centre half to go with Chester now that can dominate in the air. Bit of pace would be good too.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on June 01, 2018, 02:25:03 PM


A naturally left footed / sided CB would be ideal
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: richtheholtender on June 01, 2018, 02:36:05 PM
You both just described Nathan baker
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: mr underhill on June 01, 2018, 03:29:34 PM
well not really because the reality with him was grim
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: old man villa fan on June 01, 2018, 03:37:30 PM
You both just described Nathan baker

One of them motioned a bit of pace.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: paul_e on June 01, 2018, 03:43:14 PM
The problem with Baker is his concentration, on paper he has everything you'd want from a top centre half, in reality he just goes to sleep too often.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: footyskillz on June 03, 2018, 01:19:01 PM
The Daily Star is reporting that Terry has already agreed to link up with Lampard at Derby for another season in the Championship
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Brassneck on June 03, 2018, 01:22:09 PM
The Daily Star is reporting that Terry has already agreed to link up with Lampard at Derby for another season in the Championship

I wonder if he'll ask to be left out of the games against Villa?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: footyskillz on June 03, 2018, 03:22:14 PM
The Daily Star is reporting that Terry has already agreed to link up with Lampard at Derby for another season in the Championship

I wonder if he'll ask to be left out of the games against Villa?

Brilliant!!
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: David_Nab on June 03, 2018, 03:30:17 PM
Yes story is he is going to Derby for half what we were paying , now granted he is a year older but I dunno seems like we got screwed on wages again to me ..
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: frank black on June 03, 2018, 03:53:39 PM
fuck me, we've got to cheer up. And that's an order.
we need some good news. Anything. The worst thing Re JT is he wanted to stay but was not offered the chance. The irony is not lost that JTs wages are probably less than the combined amount thrown on the Richards/McCormack bonfire every week

Richards/McCormack bonfire.....mmm interesting, strokes chin....solution to some of our FFP issues perhaps
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on June 03, 2018, 06:12:47 PM
fuck me, we've got to cheer up. And that's an order.
we need some good news. Anything. The worst thing Re JT is he wanted to stay but was not offered the chance. The irony is not lost that JTs wages are probably less than the combined amount thrown on the Richards/McCormack bonfire every week

Richards/McCormack bonfire.....mmm interesting, strokes chin....solution to some of our FFP issues perhaps
Could claim on the insurance as well ;)
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 03, 2018, 06:58:33 PM
fuck me, we've got to cheer up. And that's an order.
we need some good news. Anything. The worst thing Re JT is he wanted to stay but was not offered the chance. The irony is not lost that JTs wages are probably less than the combined amount thrown on the Richards/McCormack bonfire every week

Richards/McCormack bonfire.....mmm interesting, strokes chin....solution to some of our FFP issues perhaps
Could claim on the insurance as well ;)

McCormack would burn for weeks.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: frank black on June 03, 2018, 07:56:20 PM
fuck me, we've got to cheer up. And that's an order.
we need some good news. Anything. The worst thing Re JT is he wanted to stay but was not offered the chance. The irony is not lost that JTs wages are probably less than the combined amount thrown on the Richards/McCormack bonfire every week

Richards/McCormack bonfire.....mmm interesting, strokes chin....solution to some of our FFP issues perhaps
Could claim on the insurance as well ;)

McCormack would burn for weeks.

That’s the three of us now as key suspects if they somehow have a bonfire/bbq incident. 😇 it wasn’t me
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: richtheholtender on June 03, 2018, 08:33:14 PM
We already know he wouldn’t escape over the fence
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Oscar Arce on June 04, 2018, 01:24:02 PM
Terry to Derby for half we were paying him...shafted or what?
Wonder how JT will be welcomed back to VP after that?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: PeterWithe on June 04, 2018, 01:39:55 PM
Not really, we cant afford to be paying him half what we were last year.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 04, 2018, 02:22:56 PM
Not really, we cant afford to be paying him half what we were last year.

It’s not really that. We could afford to pay him just means we would have to cut even deeper somewhere else. Relatively speaking it just doesn’t make sense for us to pay him what he wants even at a slight discount given that we have to be very efficient now.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: dave.woodhall on June 04, 2018, 02:25:55 PM
Terry to Derby for half we were paying him...shafted or what?
Wonder how JT will be welcomed back to VP after that?

With generous applause I'd hope.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 04, 2018, 02:27:35 PM
Terry to Derby for half we were paying him...shafted or what?
Wonder how JT will be welcomed back to VP after that?

With generous applause I'd hope.

Agreed. He was brilliant for us. Never said a bad word, gave it his all. He wanted to stay and in the end it didn’t happen. There is no Villa related reason not to be appreciative of him if he does join Derby and play against us.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Lastfootstamper on June 04, 2018, 02:45:44 PM
The bloke was getting slower by the week. It speaks volumes of his desire and commitment to keep playing that he managed to look after himself well enough to drag his body through as much of the season as he did for us.

Good luck to him, I hope his end comes gracefully, but we can probably find better use for a million-and-then-some quid next season.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on June 04, 2018, 02:51:55 PM
Terry to Derby for half we were paying him...shafted or what?
Wonder how JT will be welcomed back to VP after that?

With generous applause I'd hope.

This. Although frankly on the pitch I do believe we'd seen his last hurrah. Think next season may well be one too many for his legs.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: dave.woodhall on June 04, 2018, 02:55:41 PM
Terry to Derby for half we were paying him...shafted or what?
Wonder how JT will be welcomed back to VP after that?

With generous applause I'd hope.

This. Although frankly on the pitch I do believe we'd seen his last hurrah. Think next season may well be one too many for his legs.

Absolutely. I think the layoff for that broken toe did for him; he didn't seem the same player after that.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 04, 2018, 04:50:12 PM
Terry to Derby for half we were paying him...shafted or what?
Wonder how JT will be welcomed back to VP after that?

With generous applause I'd hope.

This. Although frankly on the pitch I do believe we'd seen his last hurrah. Think next season may well be one too many for his legs.

Absolutely. I think the layoff for that broken toe did for him; he didn't seem the same player after that.
That’s what happens at that age, you are fine if playing every week and keeping match fitness, it’s a real bugger if that rhythm is interrupted.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: cheltenhamlion on June 04, 2018, 06:11:56 PM
The bloke was getting slower by the week. It speaks volumes of his desire and commitment to keep playing that he managed to look after himself well enough to drag his body through as much of the season as he did for us.

Good luck to him, I hope his end comes gracefully, but we can probably find better use for a million-and-then-some quid next season.

We were paying him £3.5m a year. Even at half the salary it's a shite load of money for a bloke who is as old as me.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Mister E on June 04, 2018, 06:17:25 PM
Terry to Derby for half we were paying him...shafted or what?
Wonder how JT will be welcomed back to VP after that?
With a couple of pacy, tricky strikers, hopefully.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: cheltenhamlion on June 04, 2018, 06:28:50 PM

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By the way, the ads pop ups on here seem to be homing in on BE's shirt collection as potential purchases for the rest of us.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Drummond on June 05, 2018, 09:19:00 AM
The bloke was getting slower by the week. It speaks volumes of his desire and commitment to keep playing that he managed to look after himself well enough to drag his body through as much of the season as he did for us.

Good luck to him, I hope his end comes gracefully, but we can probably find better use for a million-and-then-some quid next season.

We were paying him £3.5m a year. Even at half the salary it's a shite load of money for a bloke who is as old as me.

Which is why Derby will be paying half what we were.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: ozzjim on June 05, 2018, 09:31:49 AM
Last few weeks he looked his age. The gap between defence and our forward line kept getting wider as the season went on. If we have any money a decent loan centre half with a bit of pace is a must. Just a shame Terry isn't in the dressing room any longer.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Bad English on June 05, 2018, 10:18:16 AM

(https://thumb.ibb.co/hMKydT/2478206060178603222.jpg) (https://ibb.co/hMKydT)

By the way, the ads pop ups on here seem to be homing in on BE's shirt collection as potential purchases for the rest of us.
Very nice ;-)
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: AsTallAsLions on June 05, 2018, 02:36:30 PM

(https://thumb.ibb.co/hMKydT/2478206060178603222.jpg) (https://ibb.co/hMKydT)

By the way, the ads pop ups on here seem to be homing in on BE's shirt collection as potential purchases for the rest of us.
Very nice ;-)

Isn't that particular one from Zog's private collection?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on June 06, 2018, 05:12:56 PM
Just heard that JT terminated his contract 4 weeks early when he was made aware of the financial situation at the club... Leaving the club on the 31st May, not the 30th June when all other player contracts expire. #AVFC #ProperFucked
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on June 06, 2018, 05:15:42 PM
Just heard that JT terminated his contract 4 weeks early when he was made aware of the financial situation at the club... Leaving the club on the 31st May, not the 30th June when all other player contracts expire. #AVFC #ProperFucked

If true then well done that man!
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: OCD on June 06, 2018, 05:16:59 PM
Just heard that JT terminated his contract 4 weeks early when he was made aware of the financial situation at the club... Leaving the club on the 31st May, not the 30th June when all other player contracts expire. #AVFC #ProperFucked

Any chance of Gabby doing the same?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Richard on June 06, 2018, 05:22:24 PM
He doesn't need the money anyway but if true that's a very decent gesture by Terry.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: PeterWithe on June 06, 2018, 06:18:00 PM
If that’s true that is a really supportive gesture, good on him.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Villa in Denmark on June 06, 2018, 07:30:35 PM
Just heard that JT terminated his contract 4 weeks early when he was made aware of the financial situation at the club... Leaving the club on the 31st May, not the 30th June when all other player contracts expire. #AVFC #ProperFucked

Any chance of Gabby doing the same?
Preferably backdated to when he last was any good. Problem solved.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 06, 2018, 07:31:59 PM
Fair play to him if true.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: jwarry on June 06, 2018, 08:08:55 PM
Fair play to him if true.

If it’s true my opinion of him will now have completed a full 180 degrees
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: sickbeggar on June 06, 2018, 08:10:52 PM
Just heard that JT terminated his contract 4 weeks early when he was made aware of the financial situation at the club... Leaving the club on the 31st May, not the 30th June when all other player contracts expire. #AVFC #ProperFucked

Any chance of Gabby doing the same?
Preferably backdated to when he last was any good. Problem solved.

actually larfed out loud at that
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on June 11, 2018, 10:15:42 AM
I’ve been told by somebody who was reliably informed that Terry didn’t waive any salary.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: mr underhill on June 11, 2018, 11:44:31 AM
parsimonious cnut - just when I was beginning to warm to him.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on June 20, 2018, 07:18:18 PM
According to a report in The Times we now have to pay Terry an extra months salary if he doesn’t find another club and the same for gabby - Meaning a potential £1m for July.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on June 20, 2018, 07:20:07 PM
According to a report in The Times we now have to pay Terry an extra months salary if he doesn’t find another club and the same for gabby - Meaning a potential £1m for July.

I'm sure our man Terry will let us off, and there's no way Gabby will take that from his beloved club whilst in our predicament either i'm sure.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: in exile on June 20, 2018, 07:55:50 PM
It's hard to know who's taking the piss and who is serious on here these days   
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 20, 2018, 08:02:32 PM
It's hard to know who's taking the piss and who is serious on here these days   

It's true. Although their contracts run out end of June there's a rule that all released players are entitled to be paid for July if they don't get signed by another club in that time.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: in exile on June 20, 2018, 08:04:51 PM
It's hard to know who's taking the piss and who is serious on here these days   

It's true. Although their contracts run out end of June there's a rule that all released players are entitled to be paid for July if they don't get signed by another club in that time.

Thank you
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Villa in Denmark on June 20, 2018, 08:32:33 PM
Hasn't Terry already signed for his mate at Derby?

Gabby we're stuck with the extra month.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: JUAN PABLO on June 21, 2018, 06:41:37 AM
Hasn't Terry already signed for his mate at Derby?

Gabby we're stuck with the extra month.

If so Gabby should be down bodymoor heath doing some manual work
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: russon on June 21, 2018, 09:36:54 AM
Manuel work you say? What, like this?

Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Ad@m on June 21, 2018, 12:08:14 PM
10 pages ago plenty of people on here were saying what a thoroughly decent chap he was for apparently giving up his right to his final months wages.

Now we find out he's going to take another £60k off us for watching the World Cup at home.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on June 21, 2018, 12:19:49 PM
He's signed for Derby so we don't know if that is the case or not.

There's a lot of things to criticise about Villa and Villa players without beating yourself up about one of our best players last season being paid what his contract entitled him to.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 21, 2018, 12:21:21 PM
He hasn’t signed for them...yet
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on June 21, 2018, 12:24:25 PM
He hasn’t signed for them...yet
ok, but still there's a lot of things to criticise about Villa and Villa players without beating yourself up about one of our best players last season being paid what his contract entitled him to.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 21, 2018, 12:42:03 PM
He waiting to see if we get sold and then whether we can afford to have him back. I think if so he'll tell 'Lamps' to 'do one'.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Walmley_Villa on June 21, 2018, 04:33:28 PM
According to the Times we will have to pay him £560k if he fails to sign for another club or retires this Summer.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: villabear on June 21, 2018, 04:43:44 PM
According to the Times we will have to pay him £560k if he fails to sign for another club or retires this Summer.

Yay! 🙄
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 21, 2018, 04:52:49 PM
According to the Times we will have to pay him £560k if he fails to sign for another club or retires this Summer.

Which isn't exactly right. We pay him for June as he is still under contract. We will then have to pay him for July if he doesn't sign for another club or retire during that month.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Ad@m on June 21, 2018, 07:50:48 PM
Who's beating themselves up? I'm just not going to make out like he's some legend we were lucky to have.

In 10 years time hopefully most people will forget he was ever here.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chris Jameson on June 21, 2018, 09:37:05 PM
Who's beating themselves up? I'm just not going to make out like he's some legend we were lucky to have.

In 10 years time hopefully most people will forget he was ever here.

Who?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Nunkin1965 on June 21, 2018, 09:52:22 PM
Hang on. If it’s true a contract is a contract like it or not.
It’s not his or Gabby’s or anyone else’s problem if Villa is being run by a rubbish gambler surely and if we offer those terms to him or anyone else we can’t turn round and cry foul.
If we’re bound by it then it’s the owners bloody fault. Villa is a business being run in a very, very shite way. Here’s further evidence of the fact.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: dave.woodhall on June 21, 2018, 09:55:43 PM
Hang on. If it’s true a contract is a contract like it or not.
It’s not his or Gabby’s or anyone else’s problem if Villa is being run by a rubbish gambler surely and if we offer those terms to him or anyone else we can’t turn round and cry foul.
If we’re bound by it then it’s the owners bloody fault. Villa is a business being run in a very, very shite way. Here’s further evidence of the fact.

Of what fact? We gave a standard one year contract to a player who did well for us.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 21, 2018, 09:59:55 PM
Hang on. If it’s true a contract is a contract like it or not.
It’s not his or Gabby’s or anyone else’s problem if Villa is being run by a rubbish gambler surely and if we offer those terms to him or anyone else we can’t turn round and cry foul.
If we’re bound by it then it’s the owners bloody fault. Villa is a business being run in a very, very shite way. Here’s further evidence of the fact.

You do realise that every professional player in the country has the same thing when released?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Lastfootstamper on June 21, 2018, 10:00:14 PM
Hang on. If it’s true a contract is a contract like it or not.
It’s not his or Gabby’s or anyone else’s problem if Villa is being run by a rubbish gambler surely and if we offer those terms to him or anyone else we can’t turn round and cry foul.
If we’re bound by it then it’s the owners bloody fault. Villa is a business being run in a very, very shite way. Here’s further evidence of the fact.

I'd suggest if anyone's to blame, it's probably Jimmy Hill.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: mr underhill on June 22, 2018, 11:10:46 AM
Terry should take it on the chin.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Mister E on June 22, 2018, 12:24:04 PM
Terry should take it on the chin.
Or, send him to Coventry.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Nunkin1965 on June 22, 2018, 12:46:10 PM
Hang on. If it’s true a contract is a contract like it or not.
It’s not his or Gabby’s or anyone else’s problem if Villa is being run by a rubbish gambler surely and if we offer those terms to him or anyone else we can’t turn round and cry foul.
If we’re bound by it then it’s the owners bloody fault. Villa is a business being run in a very, very shite way. Here’s further evidence of the fact.

You do realise that every professional player in the country has the same thing when released?

Absolutely.
Just wondering why the negativity towards someone whose contribution exceeded more than just a season on the pitch?
Right just realized who I’m talking about.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: dave shelley on June 22, 2018, 12:47:45 PM
Hang on. If it’s true a contract is a contract like it or not.
It’s not his or Gabby’s or anyone else’s problem if Villa is being run by a rubbish gambler surely and if we offer those terms to him or anyone else we can’t turn round and cry foul.
If we’re bound by it then it’s the owners bloody fault. Villa is a business being run in a very, very shite way. Here’s further evidence of the fact.

I'd suggest if anyone's to blame, it's probably Jimmy Hill.

And to a degree Marc Bosman.   Whilst not denying any footballers rights to have control of their own lives and careers,  that verdict played directly into the hands of the agents.  IMO.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 22, 2018, 12:48:20 PM
Terry should take it on the chin.

Lampards ball sack?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 22, 2018, 01:09:11 PM
Hang on. If it’s true a contract is a contract like it or not.
It’s not his or Gabby’s or anyone else’s problem if Villa is being run by a rubbish gambler surely and if we offer those terms to him or anyone else we can’t turn round and cry foul.
If we’re bound by it then it’s the owners bloody fault. Villa is a business being run in a very, very shite way. Here’s further evidence of the fact.

You do realise that every professional player in the country has the same thing when released?

Absolutely.
Just wondering why the negativity towards someone whose contribution exceeded more than just a season on the pitch?
Right just realized who I’m talking about.

So how is it the owners fault that we're bound to it and how is it further evidence we're being run shit?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: sickbeggar on June 23, 2018, 10:40:19 AM
i think in the grand scale of things, criticising a player who did well for us for taking what he's legally entitled to is a bit OTT. If he was all about lining his pockets he wouldn't have come to us in the first place.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Villafirst on July 20, 2018, 11:30:20 PM
Will JT be back on reduced wages? Surely we can afford him now? No transfer fee involved....
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: olaftab on July 20, 2018, 11:35:56 PM
No forget him. Not going to be good enough in any case.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Steve67 on July 20, 2018, 11:46:47 PM
Legs had gone since that injury. Maybe he'd like to come back as Henry's Assistant?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Drummond on July 21, 2018, 12:25:14 AM
He didn't want another year in the second tier.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: eamonn on July 21, 2018, 12:30:48 AM
He didn't want another year in the second tier.

Unless "Lamps" persuades him.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on July 21, 2018, 12:32:52 AM
He didn't want another year in the second tier.
How do you know that?  It was made pretty clear to him that we couldn’t afford him.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: LeeB on July 21, 2018, 01:12:13 AM
We can tell him we're getting the band back together.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 21, 2018, 08:49:42 AM
I'd like him back. And Snodgrass for that matter, although we'd probably have to buy him.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Clampy on July 21, 2018, 08:53:42 AM
Not for me either. He'll be paid a fortune which is what we need to try and avoid for the time being I would have thought
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Nunkin1965 on July 21, 2018, 08:55:56 AM
Well he’d still be with us if we’d gone up so why not?
Or maybe on the coaching staff.
In my opinion his influence stretched far beyond the first team and having an experienced winner must be of help to us surely?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: boozey182 on July 21, 2018, 09:13:52 AM
"We need to stop making the same mistakes of getting old, average players on high wages that nearly crippled the club"

"Let's get John Terry back!"

We're better than this. The future looks so bright today; let's look forward, not back.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Nunkin1965 on July 21, 2018, 09:23:03 AM
I’d say there’s a bit of a difference in terms of experience,dedication and ability between Terry and several ageing examples we could mention.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: oldtimernow on July 21, 2018, 09:26:59 AM
No those Loan players etc had their day, today we have a glimpse of the future  and the future is............bright?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Nunkin1965 on July 21, 2018, 09:31:44 AM
No those Loan players etc had their day, today we have a glimpse of the future  and the future is............bright?

Oh yes! Very!
“The future’s so bright I gotta wear shades”
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: sickbeggar on July 21, 2018, 09:47:54 AM
I thought Terry did a great job for us, but getting him back? Nah, we need to look to the future .
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: OCD on July 22, 2018, 07:07:55 AM
The leadership Terry showed last season and I think he played a big role in re-establishing the connection between fans and players means he would be one older player I wouldn't have a problem with us signing. Someone like him would be really good for the younger players in the squad.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: mr underhill on July 22, 2018, 09:15:12 AM
He's retiring and joining the Sky gravy train
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: cheltenhamlion on July 22, 2018, 10:39:24 AM
The leadership Terry showed last season and I think he played a big role in re-establishing the connection between fans and players means he would be one older player I wouldn't have a problem with us signing. Someone like him would be really good for the younger players in the squad.

Not for £70k a week.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: olaftab on July 22, 2018, 10:55:34 AM
He's retiring and joining the Sky gravy train
I heard Thierry Henry was paid £4M a year for his punditry.😮
And no  no Terry.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: mr underhill on July 22, 2018, 12:19:33 PM
I thought it was £2m, either way its he easiest way to top up the pension fund for these guys. It's like getting paid to come simply to talk shite.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: somec on July 22, 2018, 01:03:49 PM
I thought it was £2m, either way its he easiest way to top up the pension fund for these guys. It's like getting paid to come simply to talk shite.

Yeah, I was amazed during the World Cup to hear Mark Lawrenson on the co commentary.

I thought they had sacked that muppet off years ago.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Pete3206 on July 22, 2018, 01:41:16 PM
The leadership Terry showed last season and I think he played a big role in re-establishing the connection between fans and players means he would be one older player I wouldn't have a problem with us signing. Someone like him would be really good for the younger players in the squad.

Totally agree, but it won't happen.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: mr underhill on July 22, 2018, 01:43:52 PM
I'd like Terry on the coaching staff as I agree he would be a very positive influence on some of the squad but we can't afford him. Given the abuse he suffered at VP over the years I think he conducted himself in an exemplary way and ended up with some genuine affection for the club.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chris Jameson on July 22, 2018, 01:45:26 PM
No. He can’t come back. No. Bright future and all that.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on July 22, 2018, 08:04:12 PM
No. He can’t come back. No. Bright future and all that.
It would be worth it just for another season of your posts Chris!
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: David_Nab on July 22, 2018, 08:09:17 PM
He has posted in Instagram that he is not retiring , I think we should move on from him as he wasn't the player he was and certainly not worth 60k a week
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Lsvilla on July 22, 2018, 08:13:53 PM
I'd like Terry on the coaching staff as I agree he would be a very positive influence on some of the squad but we can't afford him. Given the abuse he suffered at VP over the years I think he conducted himself in an exemplary way and ended up with some genuine affection for the club.
I don’t think likes and all that are very popular on here so I’ll just say I totally agree with this.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 22, 2018, 08:31:13 PM
Given the abuse he suffered at VP over the years I think he conducted himself in an exemplary way and ended up with some genuine affection for the club.

I think he quietly admired the abuse. I still maintain that we are a traditional club with supporters to match. You don't see that very often in the PL with clubs of our size.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Leicester_Villian on August 15, 2018, 10:34:55 PM
So after the start we have made would people be in favour of bring JT back for this season if the contract was on the right terms?

Personally I would because I think he is worth more than just a player ....I also believe he would be pretty fit as hasn't he been training with Chelsea?

We still need a central defender and that would not take up a loan deal either
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: OCD on August 15, 2018, 10:37:03 PM
So after the start we have made would people be in favour of bring JT back for this season if the contract was on the right terms?

Personally I would because I think he is worth more than just a player ....I also believe he would be pretty fit as hasn't he been training with Chelsea?

We still need a central defender and that would not take up a loan deal either

Marseille.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Damo70 on August 15, 2018, 10:40:22 PM
From what I saw of him last season I think he has another year left in him.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: sickbeggar on August 15, 2018, 11:05:17 PM
well our defence so far looks worse without him. As others have said, seemed to really gel with the team, improve morale and his professionalism seemed to rub off on others. on the other hand i would have preferred us to sign a younger permanent centre half to work with long term but beggars can't be choosers. If he came back as cover till January i'd be happy with that, but its a question of money really
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Drummond on August 16, 2018, 10:29:02 AM
Player/Coach deal and bin off Calderwood.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Risso on August 16, 2018, 10:35:34 AM
I'd have him back, no problem.  It'd have to be on a fraction of what he was earning last year though, which presumably isn't a problem as he's earning nothing from playing at the moment.  He could get his coaching badges done while he's at it.

Even at 38 I reckon he'd be miles better than Elphick, so as a back up to Chester and to help Tuanzebe along, I reckon it'd be a good idea.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Pat McMahon on August 16, 2018, 02:24:43 PM
I'd have him back, no problem.  It'd have to be on a fraction of what he was earning last year though, which presumably isn't a problem as he's earning nothing from playing at the moment.  He could get his coaching badges done while he's at it.

Even at 38 I reckon he'd be miles better than Elphick, so as a back up to Chester and to help Tuanzebe along, I reckon it'd be a good idea.

If the salary was right I agree with you.

There was a 10-15 minute spell in the 2nd half last week when the ref was having a mare and I thought that Terry yapping in his ear would have made a real difference. We don't seem to have anybody left who is chipping away at the officials - at least, not with the presence to make them take notice.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 16, 2018, 02:25:36 PM
Player/Coach deal and bin off Calderwood.

perfect
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: paul_e on August 16, 2018, 02:27:18 PM
From what I've read today he's taken a TV role in Egypt so we can probably move on now.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Damo70 on August 16, 2018, 04:33:58 PM
From what I've read today he's taken a TV role in Egypt so we can probably move on now.

Is he hosting the 'The Pyramid Game'?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: LeeB on August 16, 2018, 08:31:43 PM
I'd have him back, no problem.  It'd have to be on a fraction of what he was earning last year though, which presumably isn't a problem as he's earning nothing from playing at the moment.  He could get his coaching badges done while he's at it.

Even at 38 I reckon he'd be miles better than Elphick, so as a back up to Chester and to help Tuanzebe along, I reckon it'd be a good idea.

True regarding Elphick, I've seen milk turn quicker.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: MoetVillan on August 16, 2018, 08:35:27 PM
From what I've read today he's taken a TV role in Egypt so we can probably move on now.

Is he hosting the 'The Pyramid Game'?

I think you will find it’s Terrys Pyramint game
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Holte L2 on August 16, 2018, 08:36:51 PM
Media reports suggesting Terry is in talks with Sporting Lisbon.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: IFWaters on August 31, 2018, 06:11:09 PM
Surely makes sense to bring him back on a free now? Just him being around will get more out of the squad. He's no Micah granted but makes sense to me.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on August 31, 2018, 06:21:18 PM



You have to think Terry or Huth will be getting a call after this French bloke knocked us back
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 31, 2018, 06:47:32 PM
Media reports suggesting Terry is in talks with Sporting Lisbon.

Sporting have Presidential elections coming up and one of the candidates has spoken to Terry with the idea of maybe playing one more season before he retires and after taking on the role of ambassador of Sporting in the Premier League.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: IFWaters on August 31, 2018, 06:52:58 PM
Look at John Terrys' instagram, johnterry.26

His latest post is of him teeing off in Portugal (lots of pics of him keeping fit as well).

His comment on the pic .... reminds me of teeing off with the gaffer and alex bruce last year....

BRING THE MAN HOME !
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: PeterWithe on August 31, 2018, 07:04:40 PM
Media reports suggesting Terry is in talks with Sporting Lisbon.

Sporting have Presidential elections coming up and one of the candidates has spoken to Terry with the idea of maybe playing one more season before he retires and after taking on the role of ambassador of Sporting in the Premier League.

Aren’t they financially fucked?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 31, 2018, 07:06:15 PM
There has to be a centre back coming in from somewhere, especially considering we loaned Elphick out again.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on August 31, 2018, 07:08:00 PM
We are loaning Tommy Elphick from Hull.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Keeno on August 31, 2018, 07:27:44 PM
Is this actually a thing? It's not... right?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: WarszaVillan on August 31, 2018, 07:30:45 PM
What's the deadline for free transfers? (sorry I know I'm behind.)
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Dave P on August 31, 2018, 07:31:01 PM
Media reports suggesting Terry is in talks with Sporting Lisbon.

Sporting have Presidential elections coming up and one of the candidates has spoken to Terry with the idea of maybe playing one more season before he retires and after taking on the role of ambassador of Sporting in the Premier League.

Aren’t they financially fucked?

Hasn’t stopped us (wink)
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 31, 2018, 07:44:39 PM
Media reports suggesting Terry is in talks with Sporting Lisbon.

Sporting have Presidential elections coming up and one of the candidates has spoken to Terry with the idea of maybe playing one more season before he retires and after taking on the role of ambassador of Sporting in the Premier League.

Aren’t they financially fucked?

There's always money floating around Sporting. The elections should hopefully bring some financial stability and then you have the private investors that take their cut on players sold. Sporting have probably the best youth academy in Europe, the problem is they sell the players before the club ever wins a trophy or two, normally at the demand of the private investors. It's all sadly hand to mouth and has been for far too long.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Ads on August 31, 2018, 07:52:14 PM
What's the deadline for free transfers? (sorry I know I'm behind.)

If they were released before 5pm today, you can sign them at any point.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Nastylee on August 31, 2018, 10:18:27 PM
I'm praying something might happen during the international break now the younger options seemed to have all gone wrong. Bruce surely cannot go until January with what we have. 
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Villafirst on August 31, 2018, 10:25:52 PM
Huth might be okay until January....
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: PeterWithe on August 31, 2018, 10:31:34 PM
Media reports suggesting Terry is in talks with Sporting Lisbon.

Sporting have Presidential elections coming up and one of the candidates has spoken to Terry with the idea of maybe playing one more season before he retires and after taking on the role of ambassador of Sporting in the Premier League.

Aren’t they financially fucked?

There's always money floating around Sporting. The elections should hopefully bring some financial stability and then you have the private investors that take their cut on players sold. Sporting have probably the best youth academy in Europe, the problem is they sell the players before the club ever wins a trophy or two, normally at the demand of the private investors. It's all sadly hand to mouth and has been for far too long.

Interesting, I had a wander around both of the grounds and the fella at Benfica was saying they their acenemy was recognised as the best in the world, although I thought ‘ well he would say that’.

What makes Sportings better?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: mike on August 31, 2018, 10:45:21 PM
I just can't see Terry being arsed with giving up golf and his freedom for a few games for us. He can't be fit enough (and is doubtless too expensive) to make him our captain and first choice defender this year then give him one last year in the Premier League. If only we'd just signed a good centre half.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: AsTallAsLions on September 01, 2018, 01:28:27 AM
Interesting that Terry has posted an Instagram story tonight, picture of Abraham holding the Villa jersey, captioned 'YES TAMMY' and tagged @avfcofficial

Probably means nothing except that he does give a shit about us, which is more than can be said for some players still in Villa's employ.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on September 01, 2018, 03:43:55 AM
What makes Sportings better?

Imagine Villa and the Rags..
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: ozzjim on September 01, 2018, 06:52:49 AM
Convinced he will be in our back 4 after the international break. We may well go back for McKenna in Jan, but short term Terry is a no brainer. His leadership would make a massive difference, and we have a better team now apart from him.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: olaftab on September 01, 2018, 08:25:28 AM
No. If he has had no pre season it will take him, at his age, till November to get match fit.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: mr underhill on September 01, 2018, 09:34:19 AM
We don't look the same defensively without him and the team miss his leadership. And I would never have thought I's ever say that about John Terry.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: footyskillz on September 05, 2018, 10:54:15 PM
No. If he has had no pre season it will take him, at his age, till November to get match fit.

And how many games would he be able to play ?

The whole Saturday Tuesday is tiring
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: saunders_heroes on September 05, 2018, 11:35:51 PM
No. If he has had no pre season it will take him, at his age, till November to get match fit.

Na. He’d go straight into our next game and be as good as ever.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Drummond on September 06, 2018, 01:48:46 AM
No. If he has had no pre season it will take him, at his age, till November to get match fit.

Na. He’d go straight into our next game and be as good as ever.

Agreed. Though every game and a League Cup run may be too far. Oh.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: XXVilla on September 06, 2018, 07:08:42 AM
Is Roger Johnson still fit?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: mr underhill on September 06, 2018, 09:06:00 AM
I'm not sure but he was never my type anyway.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: dave shelley on September 06, 2018, 09:15:28 AM
Any chance we could amend the title of the thread please by removing the signed bit as it's confusing?   Every time I see a post I think he has and when I read it he hasn't.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: aj2k77 on September 06, 2018, 09:53:39 AM
If he's coming then they've already wasted a weeks worth of training and fitness. It doesn't make sense to me that a deal for him would take this long, Idon't  think it's happening.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: olaftab on September 06, 2018, 10:36:14 AM
Is Roger Johnson still fit?
Don’t know but someone said Jilly Johnson is still fit.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: auntiesledd on September 06, 2018, 11:18:37 AM
If he's coming then they've already wasted a weeks worth of training and fitness. It doesn't make sense to me that a deal for him would take this long, I don't  think it's happening.

I shouldn't worry, it's standard Bruce practice to bring somebody in at the last minute. The ol' throw-a-load-round-and-see-what-happens routine. Triffick.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 06, 2018, 11:40:45 AM
'He only arrived at 4pm on the Saturday, I don't think he knew where he even was, but wor asked him to put his booooots on and pur in a shift which to be fair he's done batttt wor need others now to step up to the plet.  Wor Aston Villa, it's what's expected, it's the way it is nowadez.'
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Edvard Remberg on September 06, 2018, 11:56:05 AM
So, what do people think about John Terry?
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on September 06, 2018, 12:37:25 PM
I think he's the best Professor of Biomedical Modelling that the University of Exeter has ever had.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: UK Redsox on September 06, 2018, 12:45:31 PM
I've heard that he was very good in 'Lost'
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Chris Jameson on September 06, 2018, 12:51:17 PM
Any chance we could amend the title of the thread please by removing the signed bit as it's confusing?   Every time I see a post I think he has and when I read it he hasn't.

My heart sinks each time I log on.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Damo70 on September 06, 2018, 12:57:25 PM
So, what do people think about John Terry?

I thought he was excellent for us. I got to meet him at the Acorns Christmas party/Villa squad visit and he made sure he spoke to every member of staff, parent and child despite some PR woman trying to hurry things along. He wasn't as physically imposing as I expected. He looks shorter in height and slighter of build close up. I would have him back based on his performances last season, but there would be a risk of it being one season too many for him.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Hookeysmith on September 06, 2018, 01:50:27 PM
Short term - have him back in a heart beat

Long term - I think he would do Bruce a favour and save him his job (as he would be the voice in the dressing room and coach) so this is the bit that concerns me

I don't think Bruce deserves that breathing space

Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Clark W Griswold on September 06, 2018, 01:50:36 PM
I like him too. He's definitely not wank, which is more than I can say for Collins.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: The Edge on September 06, 2018, 02:00:12 PM
No. If he has had no pre season it will take him, at his age, till November to get match fit.

Na. He’d go straight into our next game and be as good as ever.
I agree. It's not like he's a box to box player.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Edvard Remberg on September 06, 2018, 02:00:50 PM
Short term - have him back in a heart beat

Long term - I think he would do Bruce a favour and save him his job (as he would be the voice in the dressing room and coach) so this is the bit that concerns me

I don't think Bruce deserves that breathing space


I was thinking that also - but maybe JT isn't that much of a pal with SB and would come even if he is not there.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: The Edge on September 06, 2018, 02:02:05 PM
Any chance we could amend the title of the thread please by removing the signed bit as it's confusing?   Every time I see a post I think he has and when I read it he hasn't.
It's not just me then?
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: Dave on September 06, 2018, 02:06:03 PM
I've taken the "signed" out of the thread title in case anyone misunderstands and thinks it's talking about this season.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: dicedlam on September 06, 2018, 04:14:28 PM
I've taken the "signed" out of the thread title in case anyone misunderstands and thinks it's talking about this season.

It might also be interesting to reset the poll Dave.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: Dave on September 06, 2018, 04:19:28 PM
Sure, why not.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: Gary Penrice on September 06, 2018, 04:25:57 PM
I voted yes simply because of the desperate need for a CB at the moment. Coupled with the fact that he'll hopefully galvanise the dressing room like he did last season & be an experienced,calming ear in Jack's ear. As for it saving Bruce's job,I can't really see it. I honestly believe his day's are numbered under the new regime. Hope so!
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: Legion on September 06, 2018, 04:44:31 PM
I'd welcome him back openly.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: brian green on September 06, 2018, 04:59:28 PM
Me too.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on September 06, 2018, 05:01:46 PM


Isn't this done yet ?
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: mr underhill on September 06, 2018, 05:02:07 PM
 He's golfing today somewhere in the smoke so that's another day gone. This is looking increasingly unlikely to me - not because I think he wouldn't come, but that the owners see it as a cheap play by Bruce to get his own way.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: Woofles The Wonder Dog on September 06, 2018, 05:25:13 PM
Any chance we could amend the title of the thread please by removing the signed bit as it's confusing?   Every time I see a post I think he has and when I read it he hasn't.

My heart sinks each time I log on.

We’ll be there for you Chris, if he does sign. You won’t be alone. In fact I’ve already PM’d Sharon to look out for telltale distress.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: Chris Jameson on September 06, 2018, 05:46:01 PM
Thanks Woofles, Sharon hates football, she’s clearly not as daft as she seems.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: Villafirst on September 06, 2018, 05:59:57 PM
He's golfing today somewhere in the smoke so that's another day gone. This is looking increasingly unlikely to me - not because I think he wouldn't come, but that the owners see it as a cheap play by Bruce to get his own way.

Agree, Bruce seems to have no sense of urgency to strengthen the defence having had a period of 6 weeks since the takeover. Be interesting if Chester gets injured for Wales this weekend.....
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: four fornicholl on September 06, 2018, 06:23:14 PM
Leader, Legend.

Kidding, kidding :)
Sorry Chris ;)
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: Clampy on September 06, 2018, 06:37:18 PM
He's golfing today somewhere in the smoke so that's another day gone. This is looking increasingly unlikely to me - not because I think he wouldn't come, but that the owners see it as a cheap play by Bruce to get his own way.

Agree, Bruce seems to have no sense of urgency to strengthen the defence having had a period of 6 weeks since the takeover. Be interesting if Chester gets injured for Wales this weekend.....

He did try and bring Joe Bryan in. I still think someone will come in at some point.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 06, 2018, 06:50:44 PM
Ive welcomed him back as player manager . Influence , respect and knows how to sort out the back 4 something that the manager cant do and JT has obviously helped the likes of Jack . I would imagine Abraham and Axel would  love him there .  Just stupid that its all come to this with the whole summer SB has had to sort it.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: Villafirst on September 06, 2018, 06:51:38 PM
He's golfing today somewhere in the smoke so that's another day gone. This is looking increasingly unlikely to me - not because I think he wouldn't come, but that the owners see it as a cheap play by Bruce to get his own way.

Agree, Bruce seems to have no sense of urgency to strengthen the defence having had a period of 6 weeks since the takeover. Be interesting if Chester gets injured for Wales this weekend.....

He did try and bring Joe Bryan in. I still think someone will come in at some point.
 

He didn't have a plan B for a new LB. Plus Terry, Samba and Elphick have all left and left us with one recognised CB......good preparation?? Complete incompetence.....!
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: brian green on September 06, 2018, 07:03:25 PM
The way I see it is that suppose JT has lost 60% of his ability at his best, we get 40% of him in our games. If he brings about only a 10% improvement in each of our two full backs, our two other centre backs plus an improvement of 5% to the midfield players we are improved collectively.  His experience, leadership and manipulative talent with referees are all a bonus.  A substantial one.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: Pete3206 on September 06, 2018, 07:17:09 PM
I think Terry's appearance at Celtic Park this weekend is a precursor to him signing for them.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: four fornicholl on September 06, 2018, 07:21:16 PM
The way I see it is that suppose JT has lost 60% of his ability at his best, we get 40% of him in our games. If he brings about only a 10% improvement in each of our two full backs, our two other centre backs plus an improvement of 5% to the midfield players we are improved collectively.  His experience, leadership and manipulative talent with referees are all a bonus.  A substantial one.
Totally agree,and its only 60% of his legs.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: WarszaVillan on September 06, 2018, 07:24:29 PM
No. If he has had no pre season it will take him, at his age, till November to get match fit.

Na. He’d go straight into our next game and be as good as ever.
I agree. It's not like he's a box to box player.

Apart from when he's out with the WAGs
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: Bad English on September 06, 2018, 07:29:27 PM
I do not really want John Terry to come back to Aston Villa. If he does then fair enough.

What I do want is a manager who knows what he is doing, and I want the players we have to be drilled in going onto the pitch and kicking the arses (literally or tactically) of any team that we play. I want to see that any team that beats us or draws with us goes away needing 48 hours in an ice-bath or emergency surgery, or six months therapy with Dr Melfi or someone.

Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: sickbeggar on September 06, 2018, 07:30:58 PM
I voted yes but i'd rather we'd got in a long term choice this summer. Plus i think Bruce has too much nounce to re-sign him. Too much of an acceptable temporary/trial period manager if things don't improve and the club decide to act. I think collins or someone else is more likely if he's worried about his job, and lets face it, he should be.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: Villafirst on September 06, 2018, 07:49:06 PM
I think you mean "nous" of which, Bruce has none with his wrecking of the defence!
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: sickbeggar on September 06, 2018, 07:52:32 PM
I think you mean "nous" of which, Bruce has none with his wrecking of the defence!


well i did check on google for the spelling, probably regional 8) oh i think Bruce is very clever on non-footballing matters - he plays things well to the press at least. I just think if you're a manager looking over your shoulder, you don't bring in a very well known successful footballer looking to move into a managerial role.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: Ads on September 06, 2018, 09:01:45 PM
The poll should have two options; swipe right or left like his song.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: German James on September 06, 2018, 09:27:19 PM
I do not really want John Terry to come back to Aston Villa. If he does then fair enough.

What I do want is a manager who knows what he is doing, and I want the players we have to be drilled in going onto the pitch and kicking the arses (literally or tactically) of any team that we play. I want to see that any team that beats us or draws with us goes away needing 48 hours in an ice-bath or emergency surgery, or six months therapy with Dr Melfi or someone.


This. Terry was great for us last year but that was a pretty good swan-song for him as well and he's 37 so there are no guarantees that he'd be willing or able to do it again.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: mike on September 06, 2018, 09:29:34 PM
Other than wishful thinking and a bit of nonsense on Instagram, is there any reason to think this is likely? (I voted yes as we need some fucker who can play CB and he was an all round good influence on our club rather than the foul mouthed, bullying not really a racist I always thought that he was at Chelsea).
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: in exile on September 07, 2018, 08:12:44 AM
I voted no in the original poll last season but voted yes this time around.
His influence at Bodymore Heath and in the Villa dressing room has obviously been missed
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: jwarry on September 07, 2018, 08:23:21 AM
I voted no in the original poll last season but voted yes this time around.
His influence at Bodymore Heath and in the Villa dressing room has obviously been missed

I think the same can be said for Snoddy too
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: Brassneck on September 07, 2018, 08:31:38 AM
It could be argued that a 37/38 year old Terry is no slower than a 33 year old Jedinak.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: DB on September 07, 2018, 09:19:12 AM
Bruce was a CB himself. You would think he new the importance of solid quality partnership at the back. There is no way we can get promoted with Jedi playing there. I can believe he did not get one in.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: Risso on September 07, 2018, 09:27:36 AM
If John Terry was coming wouldn't it have happened already?  Surely the beginning of a two week international break would have been ideal to at least get him training and a couple of practise matches.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 07, 2018, 09:42:37 AM
That's what I think. Seems odd he's not here. I honestly think Bruce thinks Jedinak is the answer. An utterly ridiculous opinion that is going to cost him his job.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: mike on September 07, 2018, 10:10:26 AM
That's what I think. Seems odd he's not here. I honestly think Bruce thinks Jedinak is the answer. An utterly ridiculous opinion that is going to cost him his job.

And the club promotion.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: TheMalandro on September 07, 2018, 10:41:08 AM
I think he'll still come.

He's lost one of his lives if it happens, as he's basically forced the issue through either incompetence or deviousness.

The owners already told him they didn't want Terry.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: XXVilla on September 07, 2018, 11:37:46 AM
I had a very vivid dream last night that I met John Terry and he told me he wasn’t coming back. Make of that what you will
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 07, 2018, 11:43:01 AM
Were either of you naked?
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: TheMalandro on September 07, 2018, 11:51:05 AM
 Did you get custody of the kids?
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: auntiesledd on September 07, 2018, 11:52:13 AM
I had a very vivid dream last night that I met John Terry and he told me he wasn’t coming back. Make of that what you will

Did you get to keep the house?
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: XXVilla on September 07, 2018, 11:54:38 AM
I had a very vivid dream last night that I met John Terry and he told me he wasn’t coming back. Make of that what you will

Did you get to keep the house?

I’ll leave the rest of the narrative up to you
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: auntiesledd on September 07, 2018, 12:36:37 PM
I had a very vivid dream last night that I met John Terry and he told me he wasn’t coming back. Make of that what you will

Did you get to keep the house?

I’ll leave the rest of the narrative up to you

That's a good plan: 'specially as I've run out of crap one-liners. ;)
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on September 07, 2018, 01:33:26 PM
Terry is playing tomorrow at Celtic Park in Stan's charity match. He's in the James Milner squad, managed by Klopp.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: Axl Rose on September 07, 2018, 01:52:23 PM
Were either of you naked?

Haha. I thought to ask the same thing.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: XXVilla on September 07, 2018, 01:53:47 PM
Were either of you naked?

Haha. I thought to ask the same thing.

I said I’d met him not streaked in front of him. I save the nsked dreams for when I’m going to school to resit my o levels
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: eamonn on September 07, 2018, 02:21:19 PM
So what happened then? Your name is XX-rated so you can't blame folk for jumping to conclusions.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: mr underhill on September 07, 2018, 02:48:19 PM
If the story of the new owners not sanctioning the return of JT six weeks ago is true, I just can't see them doing it now knowing that Bruce has probably been game playing them on this one.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: XXVilla on September 07, 2018, 03:39:44 PM
So what happened then? Your name is XX-rated so you can't blame folk for jumping to conclusions.

You sir have sex on the brain
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: Axl Rose on September 07, 2018, 03:48:10 PM
So what happened then? Your name is XX-rated so you can't blame folk for jumping to conclusions.

You sir have sex on the brain

So you were, or weren't naked? I'm still not clear on this point.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on September 07, 2018, 04:32:16 PM
If the story of the new owners not sanctioning the return of JT six weeks ago is true, I just can't see them doing it now knowing that Bruce has probably been game playing them on this one.

A bit like XXVilla, Bruce will have completely exposed himself. He was told no, he failed to bring in a replacement and now he comes back asking them to change their mind to cover his inadequacies. Ouch!
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: Louzie0 on September 07, 2018, 04:34:45 PM
JT!

(Think ‘Shane’)
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: clash city rocker on September 07, 2018, 04:36:14 PM
If the story of the new owners not sanctioning the return of JT six weeks ago is true, I just can't see them doing it now knowing that Bruce has probably been game playing them on this one.

I'm damm sure Terry could organise our defence a lot better than our so called manager could.  There again  most fans could do a better job.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: Pat McMahon on September 07, 2018, 04:56:29 PM
If the story of the new owners not sanctioning the return of JT six weeks ago is true, I just can't see them doing it now knowing that Bruce has probably been game playing them on this one.

I'm damm sure Terry could organise our defence a lot better than our so called manager could.  There again  most fans could do a better job.

I couldn't. I'd have 2 centre halves in the middle, a left footer at left back and a right footer at right back.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: clash city rocker on September 07, 2018, 05:32:47 PM
If the story of the new owners not sanctioning the return of JT six weeks ago is true, I just can't see them doing it now knowing that Bruce has probably been game playing them on this one.

I'm damm sure Terry could organise our defence a lot better than our so called manager could.  There again  most fans could do a better job.

I couldn't. I'd have 2 centre halves in the middle, a left footer at left back and a right footer at right back.

That's just far to obvious. Would never confuse the opposition.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: XXVilla on September 07, 2018, 06:06:21 PM
So what happened then? Your name is XX-rated so you can't blame folk for jumping to conclusions.

You sir have sex on the brain

So you were, or weren't naked? I'm still not clear on this point.

No. But I have been naked in previous dreams but no one notices or cares (steady Eamonn)
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: saunders_heroes on September 07, 2018, 11:06:36 PM
John Terry in tomorrow’s Daily Mail...

“I loved my time at Aston Villa. I am still devastated that we didn't go up. The manager, players and supporters were incredible with me but I hate losing and I feel there is unfinished business there”
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: mike on September 07, 2018, 11:14:51 PM
John Terry in tomorrow’s Daily Mail...

“I loved my time at Aston Villa. I am still devastated that we didn't go up. The manager, players and supporters were incredible with me but I hate losing and I feel there is unfinished business there”

Well if he’s talking to that rag he can fuck off.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: ozzjim on September 07, 2018, 11:36:50 PM
Just get him back for the season FFS. Organise the back 4, give Nyland some stability in front of him and let the attack win games.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: wozwebs on September 08, 2018, 12:03:17 AM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-6144031/amp/JOHN-TERRY-EXCLUSIVE-Im-not-ready-retire-plenty-left-tank.html?__twitter_impression=true
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: KevinGage on September 08, 2018, 03:26:41 AM
'At Villa I would be there at the training ground with Robert Snodgrass, Conor Hourihane and Jack Grealish, working hard and training hard. I loved it there. From the first training session I wanted to prove myself.

'We were filling the stadium. Someone threw a stat at me, "John, this is the biggest home crowd you have ever played in front of". It was.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: andyh on September 08, 2018, 08:30:30 AM
Terry posting cryptic pictures of having blood taken....suggesting he is having a medical somewhere?

I wasn’t that bothered about him coming back, but I think our defence is so desperate, he can only improve things, he certainly can’t make it worse.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: Holte L2 on September 08, 2018, 08:45:36 AM
He's playing in the Petrov match tomorrow. Could be for that?
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 08, 2018, 08:59:52 AM
Just get him back for the season FFS. Organise the back 4, give Nyland some stability in front of him and let the attack win games.

Agree, his leadership would be a huge boost.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: olaftab on September 08, 2018, 09:13:17 AM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-6144031/amp/JOHN-TERRY-EXCLUSIVE-Im-not-ready-retire-plenty-left-tank.html?__twitter_impression=true
Good read.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: clash city rocker on September 08, 2018, 09:34:50 AM
Would appear he is more clued up than I would of ever given him credit for. Get him back now and get fuckin Bruce to read through all the notes he has made.Bruce might then get an idea of what training sessions are all about.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: Chris Smith on September 08, 2018, 09:54:28 AM
He's playing in the Petrov match tomorrow. Could be for that?

That is the most likely reason. His charity is called Bloodwise and a crucial part of treatment for Leukaemia is receiving stem cells from a matching donor.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: Fasth56 on September 08, 2018, 09:58:37 AM
Good read and if that's not a pitch for the managers job, I don't know what is.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: mike on September 08, 2018, 10:03:41 AM
Good read and if that's not a pitch for the managers job, I don't know what is.

What’s the gist, I can’t open a link from the Daily Nazi.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: Fasth56 on September 08, 2018, 10:21:41 AM
Good read and if that's not a pitch for the managers job, I don't know what is.

What’s the gist, I can’t open a link from the Daily Nazi.

It's about keeping himself fit over the summer, considering 4 offers for this season, Premier and abroad, how older pro's worked with him to develop, how he has collected coaching notes from all sessions with Mourinho et al and how Wilkins developed him as a left sided centre back. Talks about going into management like Lampard and Gerard and his 5 - 8 year plan of managing Chelsea.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: purpletrousers on September 08, 2018, 10:29:21 AM
Yes please paste story not link to that thing. I took one for the team.

JOHN TERRY EXCLUSIVE: 'I'm not ready to retire yet... I still have plenty left in the tank' - Chelsea legend opens up on future plans, learning from Jose Mourinho and 'brilliant' Ray Wilkins

John Terry spoke exclusively to Lee Clayton, Head of Sport for the Daily Mail
Terry had thought about retiring from football but admits he is not ready yet
If a move back into the game fails, Terry has options to coach or become a pundit
Terry collected notes and coaching manuals from Jose Mourinho's sessions
He hails the impact both Ray Wilkins and Gianfranco Zola have had on his career
There are lots of surprises about John Terry. One of them is that he has written training notes and coaching manuals since the first day Jose Mourinho took charge at Chelsea in 2004. They fill shelves of his study, along with replica trophies occupying more space than most Premier League boardrooms.

The books are studiously tidy and labelled and filled with scribbles and arrows, crosses and names, information, observations and revelations. There are hundreds of diagrams. I can't say I have ever seen anything like it.



Another surprise is that the last time I saw Terry socially in the summer, he was talking about retirement. So today we're meeting at his house near Chelsea's training ground, presumably to talk about the end of his career after a long summer in Portugal from which he has only just returned. He looks tanned and slim.



There is talk of a role with Sky or BT and a new talent agent with long tentacles who has helped to launch the showbiz careers of Freddie Flintoff and Jamie Redknapp. The cameras are calling.

But his boots are still gleaming clean, his pads sit next to them and he will turn out in Stiliyan Petrov and James Milner's Match for Cancer on Saturday. Terry is not talking about retiring any more.

'When we spoke in the summer, it wasn't long after the season and I was still hurting. I loved my time at Aston Villa. I am still devastated that we didn't go up. The manager, players and supporters were incredible with me but I hate losing and I feel there is unfinished business there.

'Steve Bruce is a great man and with the backing of the new owners, Steve will hopefully get the club back into the Premier League.

'Don't get me wrong, if I don't play again I am content with what has been an unbelievable career, but I'm still hungry to go and play if everything around it is right. If it's right for me and my family.'

Terry, 37, is a free agent. There are at least four offers on the table, including a Premier League team and clubs from abroad.

'I am in the best condition I have been in for the last eight to 10 years of my career. I've had a brilliant summer, the first time in 20 years I have been able to get away like that with my family during the school holidays. I was away so much last year because I was fully committed to giving everything to Aston Villa, but now I am fully recharged.'

Terry trained every day he was on holiday. 'I haven't really switched off. It's in my blood,' he says.

He is in excellent condition with a lower body fat than from his early 30s. He puts that down to his diet. 'I've used a personal chef at home for 10 years to make sure I was eating the right way and to give me every opportunity to be the best I could be. At Villa, I employed Johnny Marsh, the chef, to send food to my hotel every week. I've used a masseur two to three times a week for a long time.

'Yes, I am very lucky to be in this position but the way the game has gone for the last five years and how quick and physical and talented the younger generation have become, I had to try to give myself an edge.

'At Villa I would be there at the training ground with Robert Snodgrass, Conor Hourihane and Jack Grealish, working hard and training hard. I loved it there. From the first training session I wanted to prove myself.



'The fans were brilliant. They came to the training ground every day in the build-up to the game against Birmingham.

'Their message, "We would rather be relegated than lose to these!" I've never felt so much pressure in a game but we won 2-0 and Villa Park was buzzing.

'We were filling the stadium. Someone threw a stat at me, "John, this is the biggest home crowd you have ever played in front of". It was.

'So I'll decide in a couple of weeks. I've got three or four offers on the table to carry on playing — domestically or abroad — the chance to work in TV, or I will go into management.

'Yes, it's true, I want to be the manager of Chelsea one day but that is a five- to eight-year plan.

'I have the voice of Ray Wilkins, who was such a brilliant man to me, in my mind. He missed playing every day after he retired and he told me, "John, play as long as you can, don't close that door until you have to".'



For a moment his eyes moisten as he talks about his mentor Wilkins, who passed away in April. 'He was always the one who was first on the phone when something happened to me, good or bad. "Morning fella"… such a lovely man. I miss him so much.

'When I grew up and did my YTS at Chelsea, he and Graham Rix would take me out on to the training pitch after everyone else had gone and make me work on my left foot.

'They said, "You've got Desailly, Leboeuf and Duberry, all right-sided. Now get over here and use your left foot". Ray would get it on his left foot and 'ping', get it on his right foot and 'ping'. I was a 17-year-old going 'wow'.

'He spent two years with me doing that, teaching where and how to strike it. So when I first came into the team I was straight in because nobody wanted to play on the left. Ray's a big part of where I am today.

'I've shown I'm not scared of taking a step back. It's why I went to play in the Championship because I didn't want anyone to think that I didn't know about life outside the Premier League. Well, I do now.

'I see what Frank Lampard has done at Derby and what Stevie G is doing at Rangers and I want a piece of that, too. They've gone into big jobs. I've always had a fascination with management and coaching.

'When Gianfranco Zola first came to Chelsea, he would take a bag of balls in the afternoon and stay out for hours, taking the kids with him. I'd go one-on-one against him and he'd beat me 10 times, then he'd spend 20 minutes talking to me about what I should do to try to stop him. "Adjust your feet a little bit more, do some quick feet-work before training, activate your muscles, be ready".

'Then he'd come and sit in the changing room with us kids, ask us questions. And do you know something? He'd know the names of everyone. He made such an impact on me. The next day, he'd been in two hours before the start of training, stretching and massages, eating the right breakfast. He asked for an Italian chef and for us to do the right things. He showed us what we had to do.'



Clearly, as well as Zola, Mourinho's arrival in English football impacted on Terry. We return to the subject of his coaching books.

'After the first session — it only lasted an hour — the lads were in the dressing room and we couldn't believe what had just happened. Unbelievable. He was clearly something else. It was the intensity of the session, the planning that had gone into it.

'So I went to the analysis guys and asked for a notepad so I could write down what he was doing. From his first pre-season, I've got every session mapped out. What we did, how long we did it for, comments from the players. It went from there and I kept doing it.

'He'd be in early, putting out the cones and preparing. It could be raining hard, but he'd still be out there. In a training game, he'd demand full match intensity.'

Does he see the same from Mourinho now? 'At every club he has had big characters and I'm not sure he has that at Manchester United at the moment. At Chelsea, he did.

'He embarrassed me after one pre-season, after we had won a league title. He stopped the training session, came in, threw down his pad. "If you keep giving the ball away, I will go and buy someone for £50million".

'I am thinking, "I played every game for you last season! And now you're trying to humiliate me!" I didn't understand why he was doing that, but my instinct was to run and give everything; flying into tackles, winning the ball.

'We made eye contact and he grinned. He knew exactly what he was doing — to get the best out of all of us. I have seen him do the same to Frank Lampard, Didier Drogba, Ashley Cole, Michael Ballack. Big personalities in the dressing room.

'Does he have the same now at United? You have to stand up and turn up at training every day and show him that you want to win at all costs. If you've got that, he's 100 per cent on your side.

'I do think he'll bring success to United, but it needs patience. My top three for this season will be decided between City, Liverpool and Chelsea. That leaves United and Spurs fighting for fourth.'



Such experiences and analysis would see this warrior of the penalty box sit nicely in a television line-up soon, if not now.

He agrees. 'I look at what Gary Neville, Jamie Carragher, Jamie Redknapp — and Graeme Souness, I love Graeme — are doing with Sky and how the BT lads are doing it. It's changed. It used to be that you might turn up just before the programme airs, now they are there all day preparing. You can see that via their social media and I have seen it first hand when I did Monday Night Football.



'Modern dressing rooms respect it because they know these guys have done it at the highest level and they are working at it. If I do it, I want to be as good as them.

'When I look back, I don't see myself as the most talented player ever but I am a winner. I see someone who went in and gave 100 per cent every day, with Chelsea and Villa. So whether that's Sky, BT, beIN Sports, ESPN.

'If that's another dressing room as a player or a coach, that's what you get. I would want my team and players to represent who I am. If you have this, I believe, along with the talent and knowledge in football, it becomes a great recipe. That's what I am about.'

 

During his time at Villa Park, John Terry believes he came across a real star in Jack Grealish.

'Jack will be a big, big player,' he says. 'I hope Villa can come up and he gets his chance in the Premier League that way. I can see why Spurs wanted him.

'Right now he's in the right place. I think he will become a top Premier League star and an England international.

'He reminds me of Gazza, with his balance and his skill, the way he receives the ball and drives at defenders.

'He is looking after himself off the pitch as well. He's a great lad.

'He eats the right way and got the chef on board at the training ground. He was cooking for Jack there as well as sending him home with the right food.

'That will serve him well. He's an ambitious boy who will go right to the top if he continues doing the right thing.'
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: wozwebs on September 08, 2018, 10:30:19 AM
And now he’s off to sign for Moscow

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/breaking-john-terry-join-spartak-13211077.amp?__twitter_impression=true

Photo on his IG showing him having a medical
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: ozzjim on September 08, 2018, 10:33:35 AM
Seems he is going to Moscow.

Idea of Jedinak until Jan is petrifying.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: mr underhill on September 08, 2018, 10:36:38 AM
let's hope there is a freebie plan B. On second thoughts...
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: ozzjim on September 08, 2018, 10:41:26 AM
Surely Huth is worth getting now?
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: Lastfootstamper on September 08, 2018, 10:44:39 AM
And now he’s off to sign for Moscow

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/breaking-john-terry-join-spartak-13211077.amp?__twitter_impression=true

Photo on his IG showing him having a medical

I can't see one.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on September 08, 2018, 10:47:10 AM
"The fans were brilliant. They came to the training ground every day in the build-up to the game against Birmingham.

'Their message, "We would rather be relegated than lose to these!"


Oh dear.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: andyh on September 08, 2018, 10:57:41 AM
In a way it will be nice put the Terry circus to bed, once and for all.
Maybe he could have done a job for us, maybe his legs would have  given out, who knows?
There is more than one one centre half in the world, John Terry is not the only one, and ultimately Bruce has had ample opportunity, time and even money to sort out the centre half situation and he hasn’t done it.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: old man villa fan on September 08, 2018, 11:04:52 AM
I always felt that as a player he spent all his time working on his own game as he was not a very talented player.  Reading that article surprised me in that he has been taking in training methods etc. through most of his career.  He clearly understands the modern game and how technical it is.  Not saying that it would be the best option but Terry with a DOF that Terry would respect could work.  Never thought I would ever say this when he was a Chelsea player.

I think it would be a waste for him to come back as a player under Bruce.  We could start planning to bring him back as manager/coach as I do not think he will stay long in Moscow.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: frank black on September 08, 2018, 11:05:35 AM
Shame, he’d would have been ideal. Huth’s shot IMO

We will go through until January without, should be interesting
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: Chris Jameson on September 08, 2018, 11:08:31 AM
"The fans were brilliant. They came to the training ground every day in the build-up to the game against Birmingham.

'Their message, "We would rather be relegated than lose to these!"


Oh dear.

Indeed.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: Villan For Life on September 08, 2018, 11:16:44 AM
I always felt that as a player he spent all his time working on his own game as he was not a very talented player.  Reading that article surprised me in that he has been taking in training methods etc. through most of his career.  He clearly understands the modern game and how technical it is.  Not saying that it would be the best option but Terry with a DOF that Terry would respect could work.  Never thought I would ever say this when he was a Chelsea player.

I think it would be a waste for him to come back as a player under Bruce.  We could start planning to bring him back as manager/coach as I do not think he will stay long in Moscow.

Parts of that article struck me as a blatant tout at a possible managers job somewhere, possibly at Villa due to his unfinished business.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: olaftab on September 08, 2018, 11:21:53 AM
"The fans were brilliant. They came to the training ground every day in the build-up to the game against Birmingham.

'Their message, "We would rather be relegated than lose to these!"


Oh dear.

Indeed.
He does do "effect". I have never met a villa fan who would say that however i have met plenty from the Sty with that view.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 08, 2018, 11:26:42 AM
russia wouldnt be good for his family life but looks like our owners have told Bruce , no ..
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: mr underhill on September 08, 2018, 11:33:42 AM
hey said no six or so weeks ago and it was never likely they would change their minds after being played by Brucey He's fucked, but that means we are too.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: Villafirst on September 08, 2018, 11:35:38 AM
He only said in the DM article yesterday that he'd decide over the next two weeks where his future lies?? Be surprised if he goes to Moscow?
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: Nev on September 08, 2018, 11:36:19 AM
"The fans were brilliant. They came to the training ground every day in the build-up to the game against Birmingham.

'Their message, "We would rather be relegated than lose to these!"


Oh dear.

Indeed.
He does do "effect". I have never met a villa fan who would say that however i have met plenty from the Sty with that view.

I've never heard that from any Villa fan.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: mr underhill on September 08, 2018, 11:40:32 AM
the problem as I see it is that Bruce has royally fucked up with the balance of the squad. We have one senior experienced CB. If no one else comes in before January I don't suppose it makes any real difference if a replacement manager comes in or not - with such a disjointed group of players are they likely to do any better? Yet again we have build on shifting sand with so many loans. Come next summer the repeat cycle starts all over again.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: brian green on September 08, 2018, 12:15:24 PM
Agree 100%
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: Nev on September 08, 2018, 12:19:08 PM
Bruce has stated that he sees Jedinak as a CB and is happy with him in that position, and as I have stated elsewhere, that misplaced judgement will ultimately be his undoing. Had Bruce been after Terry and been successful then perhaps that would've saved his skin for a time but all I hear is the volume of the ticking clock getting louder and louder.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: sickbeggar on September 08, 2018, 12:31:21 PM
Good luck to him. He obviously kept his options open for as long as he could. I felt like others it was time to get someone younger and permanent in when the season finished but given the defensive debacle i would have welcomed him back. Now lets hope Nan's hair comes to his senses and we get someone half-decent in

*prays for Instragram photo of Collins having medical at Rushall Olympic*
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: ozzjim on September 08, 2018, 12:38:13 PM
The most depressing part is that Collins is still a better centre half than Jedinak. It is woeful incompetence of the manager that has led us to this point, and something he should be paying for with his job.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: Ad@m on September 08, 2018, 12:54:12 PM
I'm a better centre half than Jedinak.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: ozzjim on September 08, 2018, 12:56:13 PM
You have to think Tuanzebe will be in there immediately if a new manager arrived. Bruce playing him at right back is the most odd thing.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: wally58 on September 08, 2018, 12:59:44 PM
According to sky sports John Terry has signed for Spartak Moscow
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 08, 2018, 01:04:33 PM
Jedinak it is, then. Four seasons in the second tier. Utterly disgraceful.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 08, 2018, 01:18:47 PM
The one silver lining to the cloud is that playing Jedinak at CB speeds up Bruce's exit from the club.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: sickbeggar on September 08, 2018, 01:29:35 PM
The most depressing part is that Collins is still a better centre half than Jedinak. It is woeful incompetence of the manager that has led us to this point, and something he should be paying for with his job.

well you'd hope so. my feeling is apart from not being fit to lace Terry's boots as a player, a 35 years old collins might not be in the same shape as a 36 year old Terry. He managed 12 games last season for west ham and was binned by Moyes after March. I don't know if he had injuries but would he last a championship season? Would prefer someone younger at least even if beggars can't be choosers.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: Chris Smith on September 08, 2018, 01:42:36 PM
If
The one silver lining to the cloud is that playing Jedinak at CB speeds up Bruce's exit from the club.

I still think/hope he’ll try Tuanzebe there with Elmo at right back once Bolasie is fit.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 08, 2018, 01:59:08 PM
If
The one silver lining to the cloud is that playing Jedinak at CB speeds up Bruce's exit from the club.

I still think/hope he’ll try Tuanzebe there with Elmo at right back once Bolasie is fit.

I sincerely hope you're right. Given what we've seen so far I just don't have any faith in him making the right decision.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: sickbeggar on September 08, 2018, 02:00:12 PM
If
The one silver lining to the cloud is that playing Jedinak at CB speeds up Bruce's exit from the club.

I still think/hope he’ll try Tuanzebe there with Elmo at right back once Bolasie is fit.

I don't. I think Maureen see's him as a right-back and he's here to get experience in that position. It would help if someone in the local press actually asked Bruce about it though.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on September 08, 2018, 02:01:27 PM
You have to think Tuanzebe will be in there immediately if a new manager arrived. Bruce playing him at right back is the most odd thing.

apart from the fact he's played at right back and defensive midfield more often than centre back for his parent club as well ...

not that it should need repeating

Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: Villa in Denmark on September 08, 2018, 02:11:34 PM
If
The one silver lining to the cloud is that playing Jedinak at CB speeds up Bruce's exit from the club.


I still think/hope he’ll try Tuanzebe there with Elmo at right back once Bolasie is fit.
But we've already got an excess of right backs to allow Tuanzebe to move inside  if that's what Bruce thinks is our ultimate CB pairing.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: Risso on September 08, 2018, 02:17:04 PM
The one silver lining to the cloud is that playing Jedinak at CB speeds up Bruce's exit from the club.

Careful, you'll be accused of wanting Villa to lose and not being a proper fan
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: frank black on September 08, 2018, 02:28:11 PM
The one silver lining to the cloud is that playing Jedinak at CB speeds up Bruce's exit from the club.

Careful, you'll be accused of wanting Villa to lose and not being a proper fan

To be fair that is kinda hoping we lose. Bruce is only going if we lose, so if we want him gone then we all need to hope for a losing streak..

Fingers crossed hey.

Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: Iamkmkm on September 08, 2018, 02:38:10 PM
Why on earth would he join spartak moscow? makes no sense

i think it's bullshit
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: frank black on September 08, 2018, 02:40:42 PM
Why on earth would he join spartak moscow? makes no sense

i think it's bullshit

It’s a strange one, but I assume one last megabucks contract.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 08, 2018, 02:40:51 PM
The one silver lining to the cloud is that playing Jedinak at CB speeds up Bruce's exit from the club.

Careful, you'll be accused of wanting Villa to lose and not being a proper fan

I accuse Bruce of the former every Saturday at around 5pm. Wanting him out of here makes me the bestest Villa fan in da world.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: luke95 on September 08, 2018, 02:43:44 PM
Why on earth would he join spartak moscow? makes no sense

i think it's bullshit


££££££££££££s
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: aj2k77 on September 08, 2018, 02:45:39 PM
My feeling is Bruce would sign Terry but the owners won't sign off another £3m quid on a 37 year old for another year especially with Bruce living on a knife edge anyway.

Bruce can fuck off anyways, he's had the kings riches, all the cards stacked in his favor and he's produced diddly squat.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on September 08, 2018, 03:06:26 PM
My feeling is Bruce would sign Terry but the owners won't sign off another £3m quid on a 37 year old for another year

Pretty much this. Bold move though if that's the case and it costs us promotion.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: PeterWithe on September 08, 2018, 03:15:23 PM
Seems a strange move for him and his family. Wonder if Abramovich has a hand in this, best  of luck to him.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on September 08, 2018, 03:34:33 PM
You have to think Tuanzebe will be in there immediately if a new manager arrived. Bruce playing him at right back is the most odd thing.

apart from the fact he's played at right back and defensive midfield more often than centre back for his parent club as well ...

not that it should need repeating

Ha! Somebody should tell Man Utd..

https://www.manutd.com/en/players-and-staff/detail/axel-tuanzebe
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: Chris Jameson on September 08, 2018, 03:36:55 PM
Why on earth would he join spartak moscow? makes no sense

i think it's bullshit

He reads H&V, he's not as thick skinned as people think, I've got to him.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: mr underhill on September 08, 2018, 03:42:49 PM
I really wanted him back as something more than just a player - and I still think that might happen
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: Risso on September 08, 2018, 03:43:19 PM
Why on earth would he join spartak moscow? makes no sense

i think it's bullshit


££££££££££££s


£150K a week apparently.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: john e on September 08, 2018, 03:45:24 PM
Why on earth would he join spartak moscow? makes no sense

i think it's bullshit


££££££££££££s


£150K a week apparently.

yeah but apart from that
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 08, 2018, 03:47:30 PM
He's supposedly pulled out of the charity match to go for the medical in Moscow. At least the Russian fans can let him know that he's one of their own.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 08, 2018, 03:48:33 PM
Most seem to be suggesting it will be £1.8m for the year.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on September 08, 2018, 03:51:36 PM
Most seem to be suggesting it will be £1.8m for the year.

Almost 70k a game.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: Jon Crofts on September 08, 2018, 04:16:42 PM
That's quite a commute, Cobham to Moscow.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: wittonwarrior on September 08, 2018, 04:31:45 PM
Am disappointed with terry although I do understand that he has a large debt to pay.  Whole matter re resigning him back on board unsatisfactory in my eyes
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 08, 2018, 05:23:52 PM
Am disappointed with terry although I do understand that he has a large debt to pay.  Whole matter re resigning him back on board unsatisfactory in my eyes

Does he? Spill the beans!
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 08, 2018, 05:29:50 PM
Dunno if he does but it was rumoured some years ago that he had gambling issues and kept remortgaging his house. May well have just been tabloid bollocks though.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 08, 2018, 05:46:39 PM
I know that it's an addiction like any other, and therefore inexplicable to those who haven't encountered it. That said, it seems extraordinary to me that people who have more money than they could ever spend risk it all in the hope of winning...more money then they could ever spend.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: Nev on September 08, 2018, 05:50:59 PM
He's supposedly pulled out of the charity match to go for the medical in Moscow. At least the Russian fans can let him know that he's one of their own.

If that's true it's a bit off.

Anyway, we're still in the shit from a defensive point of view. I'm sure Steve has something up his sleeve. After all, he let Elphick go.........
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 08, 2018, 05:59:26 PM
The only thing up Steve's sleeve are a couple of emergency Ginsters.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 08, 2018, 06:03:35 PM
He'll fit right in.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/amp/football/42674810
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: Lastfootstamper on September 08, 2018, 06:58:13 PM
I can't find anything to corroborate the Spartak story. Loads of outlets doing the usual of repeating someone else's story, and an "Instagram" photo of a needle in an arm could be anybody giving blood. Someone called John Terry, perhaps. And it's not on Terry's IG. And why go to Rome for it? Even Twitter seems quiet, I even suspect some places are getting their "news" from here!

All a bit odd.

Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 08, 2018, 07:02:13 PM
It's being reported by every major news outlet in the country. I think it's legit.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: Brassneck on September 08, 2018, 07:07:04 PM
Am disappointed with terry although I do understand that he has a large debt to pay.  Whole matter re resigning him back on board unsatisfactory in my eyes

What debt mate?  I always thought that he was absolutely loaded.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: john e on September 08, 2018, 07:13:15 PM
I can't find anything to corroborate the Spartak story. Loads of outlets doing the usual of repeating someone else's story, and an "Instagram" photo of a needle in an arm could be anybody giving blood. Someone called John Terry, perhaps. And it's not on Terry's IG. And why go to Rome for it? Even Twitter seems quiet, I even suspect some places are getting their "news" from here!

All a bit odd.



it's on Twitter mate
what more do you want
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: Lastfootstamper on September 08, 2018, 07:13:25 PM
It's being repeated by some news outlets in the country.

Nowt in it, I tells ya.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: Jon Crofts on September 08, 2018, 08:06:20 PM
Bruce hasn’t got his own way it seems, the first clear signal the clocks ticking on his tenure.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: Ads on September 08, 2018, 08:30:15 PM
Stalking horse?
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: XXVilla on September 08, 2018, 08:56:55 PM
Stalking horse?

Well he can fuck off. Oh sorry I thought you meant Geoff Horsefield
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: eamonn on September 09, 2018, 12:32:34 AM
Need FootySkillz to sniff-out this one, and make Dave Woods or whoever "scooped" this, to explain themselves.

Seriously though, surprised to hear that Terry may have had gambling problems. Everything written and said about him and by him since the Wayne Bridge thing died down is that he's been the model pro on and off the pitch.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: KevinGage on September 09, 2018, 01:07:19 AM
Anyone who shrieks 'fake news!' or wears a ginger hair-don't or advocates Jason Scotland as a potential Villa centre forward has brains to burn and should be taken at face value. Why not. Society is doomed anyway. 
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: tomd2103 on September 09, 2018, 01:38:22 AM
That's quite a commute, Cobham to Moscow.

Wonder if Abramovich has any links with them?
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: sickbeggar on September 09, 2018, 09:18:44 AM
There's an article in the S*n today claiming he's become a property magnet so i don't think he's short of a few bob. Reality is we wouldn't or couldn't re-employ him so we're going to have to get used to Jedinak, at least till Bruce gets the tin-tack.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on September 09, 2018, 09:31:47 AM
Cue resurrection of Huth signing
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: Fred Crump on September 09, 2018, 09:39:56 AM
Or Collins , or, well, almost anyone really. Bruce has royally screwed up the defence and with it probably our season.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: TheMalandro on September 09, 2018, 09:46:40 AM
There's an article in the S*n today claiming he's become a property magnet so i don't think he's short of a few bob. Reality is we wouldn't or couldn't re-employ him so we're going to have to get used to Jedinak, at least till Bruce gets the tin-tack.

We tried to do a deal but the two sides were poles apart.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: thick_mike on September 09, 2018, 09:50:05 AM
There's an article in the S*n today claiming he's become a property magnet so i don't think he's short of a few bob. Reality is we wouldn't or couldn't re-employ him so we're going to have to get used to Jedinak, at least till Bruce gets the tin-tack.

We tried to do a deal but the two sides were poles apart.

He would have been useful on the field though, or even just running the lines.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: Fred Crump on September 09, 2018, 09:50:48 AM
Well I hope they threw the kitchen sink at it.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: TheMalandro on September 09, 2018, 10:17:39 AM
We can still get Huth. Bruce has to keep calm and stay positive.

I've heard we should forget Micah, he's given up football for acting.
He's currently auditioning for a part in Ferrous Bueller's Day Off.

Okay, I'll stop.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: OzVilla on September 09, 2018, 10:26:39 AM
I cannot be overstated enough the utter negligence of a so called experienced manager to leave us in this mess in the centre of our defence. It’ll cost him his job I’m sure.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: sickbeggar on September 09, 2018, 10:44:46 AM
Huth hasn't played for over a year. could be a good reason he has no club.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: dave shelley on September 09, 2018, 10:49:19 AM
There's an article in the S*n today claiming he's become a property magnet so i don't think he's short of a few bob. Reality is we wouldn't or couldn't re-employ him so we're going to have to get used to Jedinak, at least till Bruce gets the tin-tack.

D'you think he'll stick it?
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: Brassneck on September 09, 2018, 10:51:15 AM
I would personally like to see Axel move across, with Jedinak going back to his DM role.  Elmo could then move back to RB to accommodate Bolasie.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: brian green on September 09, 2018, 11:12:43 AM
All this talk of magnets and Ferrous Bueller will bring on a pun fest.  Be warned.  We are being drawn towards it.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on September 09, 2018, 11:14:40 AM
I cannot be overstated enough the utter negligence of a so called experienced manager to leave us in this mess in the centre of our defence. It’ll cost him his job I’m sure.

Spot on. Bruce has had 4 transfer windows to develop his team and has instead left us with the grand total of one recognised CB. Unacceptable.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: frank black on September 09, 2018, 11:35:30 AM
Huth hasn't played for over a year. could be a good reason he has no club.

Absolutely
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: Ian. on September 09, 2018, 11:55:53 AM
I cannot be overstated enough the utter negligence of a so called experienced manager to leave us in this mess in the centre of our defence. It’ll cost him his job I’m sure.
Your absolutely spot on. It’s beyond belief he didn’t resolve this situation in the window. It’s one of the most important positions in the team which was filled by a top class player and leader. To replace him with a aging mediocre midfielder is incompetence at its highest. I’d sack him now. This and failing last season is enough grounds surely?
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: mr underhill on September 09, 2018, 11:56:18 AM
he needs sacking simply for leaving us in such a disorganized mess defensively. Do one potatoman.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: Dave P on September 09, 2018, 12:23:54 PM
I would personally like to see Axel move across, with Jedinak going back to his DM role.  Elmo could then move back to RB to accommodate Bolasie.

It’s so bleeding obvious that I would have doubts about Bruce’s sanity if it doesn’t happen.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: XXVilla on September 09, 2018, 12:30:50 PM
I would personally like to see Axel move across, with Jedinak going back to his DM role.  Elmo could then move back to RB to accommodate Bolasie.

It’s so bleeding obvious that I would have doubts about Bruce’s sanity if it doesn’t h

I can see that Bruce doesn’t think Axel is experienced enough to play at centre half, but then why does he leave him stranded at RB?
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: Steve67 on September 09, 2018, 12:35:24 PM
I would personally like to see Axel move across, with Jedinak going back to his DM role.  Elmo could then move back to RB to accommodate Bolasie.

It’s so bleeding obvious that I would have doubts about Bruce’s sanity if it doesn’t happen.

Seconded and thirded.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: Three Spires Villa on September 09, 2018, 01:37:53 PM
I would personally like to see Axel move across, with Jedinak going back to his DM role.  Elmo could then move back to RB to accommodate Bolasie.

He should have done it already

It’s so bleeding obvious that I would have doubts about Bruce’s sanity if it doesn’t happen.

Seconded and thirded.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: ez on September 09, 2018, 02:25:47 PM
I cannot be overstated enough the utter negligence of a so called experienced manager to leave us in this mess in the centre of our defence. It’ll cost him his job I’m sure.

Very true. I fear the whole season is sabotaged by this.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: ChicagoLion on September 09, 2018, 02:45:55 PM
Signing for Spartak Moscow
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: wittonwarrior on September 09, 2018, 03:06:27 PM
To be fair to Bruce, Elphick is poor and a liability like Samba.  He was not a Bruce purchase and we have been trying to move him on for sometime. 

I think Bruce has been let down by John Terry here although I don't blame Terry - he has to do what he needs to do financially.  The main thing Bruce has got wrong is reading the situation and it could be costly for SB, for the club and for us.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: CT on September 09, 2018, 03:21:42 PM
To be fair to Bruce, Elphick is poor and a liability like Samba.  He was not a Bruce purchase and we have been trying to move him on for sometime. 

I think Bruce has been let down by John Terry here although I don't blame Terry - he has to do what he needs to do financially.  The main thing Bruce has got wrong is reading the situation and it could be costly for SB, for the club and for us.

Whether Elphick was good enough for us at this level or not, he shouldn't have been released without having a confirmed replacement. The fact that Bruce has left us so woefully short is a disgrace.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: Villa in Denmark on September 09, 2018, 03:36:35 PM
To be fair to Bruce, Elphick is poor and a liability like Samba.  He was not a Bruce purchase and we have been trying to move him on for sometime. 

I think Bruce has been let down by John Terry here although I don't blame Terry - he has to do what he needs to do financially.  The main thing Bruce has got wrong is reading the situation and it could be costly for SB, for the club and for us.
Why has Bruce been let down by Terry? Not signing a contract that doesn't appear to have been offered?
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on September 09, 2018, 03:55:52 PM
All this talk of magnets and Ferrous Bueller will bring on a pun fest.  Be warned.  We are being drawn towards it.
I just fail to see the attraction
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: johnc on September 09, 2018, 04:15:16 PM
All this talk of magnets and Ferrous Bueller will bring on a pun fest.  Be warned.  We are being drawn towards it.
I just fail to see the attraction
We are poles apart on this one
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: auntiesledd on September 09, 2018, 04:31:07 PM
All this talk of magnets and Ferrous Bueller will bring on a pun fest.  Be warned.  We are being drawn towards it.
I just fail to see the attraction
We are poles apart on this one

I'm finding these magnet puns utterly repellent. So stop it.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on September 09, 2018, 04:39:20 PM
All this talk of magnets and Ferrous Bueller will bring on a pun fest.  Be warned.  We are being drawn towards it.
I just fail to see the attraction
We are poles apart on this one

I'm finding these magnet puns utterly repellent. So stop it.
maybe we should encompass our owners NSWE :)
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: PaulTheVillan on September 09, 2018, 04:58:51 PM
We should have got him back, really don't feel confident with only Chester and Tuanzebe. Richards is a waste of time, Jedi has too many mistakes in him. It's Bruce's fault. Yet he'll be the first one moaning about it.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: Duncan Shaw on September 10, 2018, 09:08:29 AM
I take it as a bit of a vote of no confidence from the board I Bruce tbh.  I suspect Bruce and JT thought he would be coming back here "because we're desperate" and the board have still said no, we're not giving a near 38 year a deal on big wages, make do with the squad YOU have assembled.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: paul_e on September 10, 2018, 09:42:34 AM
I take it as a bit of a vote of no confidence from the board I Bruce tbh.  I suspect Bruce and JT thought he would be coming back here "because we're desperate" and the board have still said no, we're not giving a near 38 year a deal on big wages, make do with the squad YOU have assembled.

I agree, I think it's pretty clear that both Bruce and Terry were holding out for the green light and the board have blocked it. Given everything that's happened with the defence that feels very much like 'no cavalry, you created this mess, coach your way out of it'. If that is the case then it seems someone has figured Bruce out pretty quickly (his solution to every problem is to buy more players) and he's probably into his last few weeks here now because he's not going to be able to fix this. The gamble is that the defence holds up well enough to get us through to January when we can fix it properly because by the time Bruce has gone and the new guy is in we won't have many options for a quick fix.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: wittonwarrior on September 10, 2018, 10:54:19 AM
Not sure as to why someone would have blocked his comeback.  At the moment without decent cover at cb we are going nowhere.  Jt at least would have given us hope. We may possibly now miss out on the play offs
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: paul_e on September 10, 2018, 11:13:02 AM
Not sure as to why someone would have blocked his comeback.  At the moment without decent cover at cb we are going nowhere.  Jt at least would have given us hope. We may possibly now miss out on the play offs

Because it appears the board told him he couldn't re-sign Terry weeks ago and he then fucked about leaving it too late to sign an alternative which has left us short. He's backed them in to a corner by asking for JT again so I can understand them telling him bollocks.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: Jockey Randall on September 10, 2018, 11:48:35 AM
Not sure as to why someone would have blocked his comeback.  At the moment without decent cover at cb we are going nowhere.  Jt at least would have given us hope. We may possibly now miss out on the play offs

Because it appears the board told him he couldn't re-sign Terry weeks ago and he then fucked about leaving it too late to sign an alternative which has left us short. He's backed them in to a corner by asking for JT again so I can understand them telling him bollocks.

I'm not sure it's as simple as that regarding transfers. Surely the board are the ones handling all the transfer negotiations and targets rather than Bruce running the whole show. If anything I'd expect the board would take the blame for failing to get deals done and leaving us short.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: mike on September 10, 2018, 12:05:17 PM
Not sure as to why someone would have blocked his comeback.  At the moment without decent cover at cb we are going nowhere.  Jt at least would have given us hope. We may possibly now miss out on the play offs

Because it appears the board told him he couldn't re-sign Terry weeks ago and he then fucked about leaving it too late to sign an alternative which has left us short. He's backed them in to a corner by asking for JT again so I can understand them telling him bollocks.

I'm not sure it's as simple as that regarding transfers. Surely the board are the ones handling all the transfer negotiations and targets rather than Bruce running the whole show. If anything I'd expect the board would take the blame for failing to get deals done and leaving us short.

Unless they unequivocally told him no to Terry and to find an alternative and he basically said 'fuck you' by failing to do so then asking again for JT. If I was them, I'd say 'no and pack your bags, this time'. Mind, there's no saying that's what happened.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: dave.woodhall on September 10, 2018, 12:08:47 PM
Maybe he wanted to sign for us then Spartak came in with a bigger offer. Sometimes the obvious explanation is the truth.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: paul_e on September 10, 2018, 12:58:11 PM
Not sure as to why someone would have blocked his comeback.  At the moment without decent cover at cb we are going nowhere.  Jt at least would have given us hope. We may possibly now miss out on the play offs

Because it appears the board told him he couldn't re-sign Terry weeks ago and he then fucked about leaving it too late to sign an alternative which has left us short. He's backed them in to a corner by asking for JT again so I can understand them telling him bollocks.

I'm not sure it's as simple as that regarding transfers. Surely the board are the ones handling all the transfer negotiations and targets rather than Bruce running the whole show. If anything I'd expect the board would take the blame for failing to get deals done and leaving us short.

Unless they unequivocally told him no to Terry and to find an alternative and he basically said 'fuck you' by failing to do so then asking again for JT. If I was them, I'd say 'no and pack your bags, this time'. Mind, there's no saying that's what happened.

He clearly tried because we had the french kid over and looked at the scottish lad but in both cases we left it very late, they feel (to me) like players he only turned to once it was clear the board wouldn't back him over JT.

Dave may be right and it might be that JT just decided to go to Moscow instead but all the insta comments the article in the Mail suggest that would be a Delph-like turnaround if he actually had an offer from us.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: mr underhill on September 10, 2018, 01:39:59 PM
him saying there was unfinished business  at Villa is the biggest clue I  would have thought. And it still might be, only not as a player.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: Chris Jameson on September 10, 2018, 02:23:16 PM
him saying there was unfinished business  at Villa is the biggest clue I  would have thought. And it still might be, only not as a player.

Wonder which player's wife or girlfriend he has his eye on?
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: mr underhill on September 10, 2018, 02:35:20 PM
Ha! who knows but it wouldn't surprise me in the least if Terry returns to Villa in some sort of managerial/coach role
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: ozzjim on September 10, 2018, 11:37:02 PM
Still not signed for Spartak has he? At his age you would think money would be second to family life, which seems important to him. 30k a week at Villa suddenly looks more appealing.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on September 11, 2018, 09:38:49 AM
Reports from Russia saying Terry has changed his mind so won’t be joining Spartak
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 11, 2018, 09:53:23 AM
Reports from Russia saying Terry has changed his mind so won’t be joining Spartak

so SB could be with us for a few more mths yet
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: auntiesledd on September 11, 2018, 10:02:29 AM
Reports from Russia saying Terry has changed his mind so won’t be joining Spartak

Interesting. Maybe he'll be back after all then?

Apparently Terry was training with Chelski yesterday, so I'd imagine Bruce has been parked in front of the Cobham gates since 4am c/w his bag o' golf clubs.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on September 11, 2018, 10:46:12 AM
I wonder if Bruce tees-off with a putter.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on September 11, 2018, 11:17:53 AM
I wonder if Bruce tees-off with a putter.
He carries six number two irons - to go " right back " into his bag
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: mr underhill on September 11, 2018, 11:51:47 AM
I'd love to see him back in an expanded player coaching role, a set fee for the latter and a pay as you play deal for the former.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: Hookeysmith on September 11, 2018, 02:41:15 PM
I'd love to see him back in an expanded player coaching role, a set fee for the latter and a pay as you play deal for the former.

We already have more coaches than some clubs have players.

A Manager and the 3 numpties all stand on the side line discussing how to make necessary changes to get another RB on the pitch or how to take a striker off and bring on a left back - and a piss poor one to boot
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: brian green on September 11, 2018, 02:45:07 PM
And asking each other whose idea was it to let Samba go when we need to bring on a centre forward.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: chrisw1 on September 11, 2018, 02:53:15 PM
I really hope he's doing an Unsworth as we type.

Right now Terry returning seems by far the most favourable solution to dig us out of a defensive hole entirely of our own making.

There is also the added bonus that we get to see Chris Jameson explode.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: Axl Rose on September 11, 2018, 03:03:31 PM
I really hope he's doing an Unsworth as we type.

Right now Terry returning seems by far the most favourable solution to dig us out of a defensive hole entirely of our own making.

There is also the added bonus that we get to see Chris Jameson explode.

He won't be the only one.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 11, 2018, 03:44:42 PM
He is doing a Bryan as it is more commonly known these days.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: Chris Jameson on September 11, 2018, 04:33:49 PM
I really hope he's doing an Unsworth as we type.

Right now Terry returning seems by far the most favourable solution to dig us out of a defensive hole entirely of our own making.

There is also the added bonus that we get to see Chris Jameson explode.

I won't have to watch him so he's still dead to me.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: Steve67 on September 11, 2018, 09:57:55 PM
Desperate to bring in a central defender, yes.  To bring in a nearly 38 year old who is playing clubs off against each other to see if he can earn more money, sending platitudes to Villa, just in case, no thanks.  Move on Bruce.  Our owners need to wise up to this sort of shit.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: Drummond on September 11, 2018, 10:01:10 PM
He's a very good player, in demand, that would improve us no end.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: Steve67 on September 11, 2018, 10:06:31 PM
He's a very good player, in demand, that would improve us no end.

The only attributes he has these days are his influence over referee's and his ability to talk to others.  I admire that about him, but he got deeper and deeper and his legs are gone.   This potential transfer just shows me how ill prepared Bruce is.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: eamonn on September 11, 2018, 10:12:43 PM
Just want his future resolved so we can get on with our wives.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: KevinGage on September 12, 2018, 12:05:15 AM
He's a very good player, in demand, that would improve us no end.

The only attributes he has these days are his influence over referee's and his ability to talk to others.  I admire that about him, but he got deeper and deeper and his legs are gone.   This potential transfer just shows me how ill prepared Bruce is.

100 per cent correct.

I'd have him all the same.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: Damo70 on September 12, 2018, 08:13:35 AM
Just want his future resolved so we can get on with our wives.

I don't think my wife cares one way or another about Terry. Although obviously Wayne Bridges' other half clearly did back in the day.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 12, 2018, 12:30:42 PM
He's a very good player, in demand, that would improve us no end.

The only attributes he has these days are his influence over referee's and his ability to talk to others.  I admire that about him, but he got deeper and deeper and his legs are gone.   This potential transfer just shows me how ill prepared Bruce is.

His legs are gone? By that measurement having watched our lot vs Sheff Utd recently all their legs are gone. There was nothing to suggest his legs were gone when he played for us outside of the natural fatigue associated with being played all the time since he returned from injury. Something the manager should have done better with all of our more senior players, not just Terry.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 12, 2018, 12:37:40 PM
He's a very good player, in demand, that would improve us no end.

The only attributes he has these days are his influence over referee's and his ability to talk to others.  I admire that about him, but he got deeper and deeper and his legs are gone.   This potential transfer just shows me how ill prepared Bruce is.

His legs are gone? By that measurement having watched our lot vs Sheff Utd recently all their legs are gone.

Literally, in the case of some of them.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: mr underhill on September 12, 2018, 12:53:10 PM
surely we would fall foul of FFP by paying Terry £60k plus a week?
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: DaveD on September 12, 2018, 12:56:33 PM
Just want his future resolved so we can get on with our wives.

I don't think my wife cares one way or another about Terry. Although obviously Wayne Bridges' other half clearly did back in the day.

Although Frankie Sandford is one helluva consolation prize...
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: ChicagoLion on September 12, 2018, 02:22:16 PM
There were times that he looked static and easily turned.
His positional sense, Organisation and use of the ball is great but his legs are going.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: Damo70 on September 12, 2018, 05:01:55 PM
surely we would fall foul of FFP by paying Terry £60k plus a week?

I doubt he is desperate for the cash right now. He would probably accept some long term deal to spread it over the next few years so long as the total amount was tempting enough to him.

The downside obviously being you are then still paying wages to a player even after he has left the club.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: kieron on September 12, 2018, 05:25:45 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/BnofRuRhgEP/?taken-by=johnterry.26

Terry declines Spartak Moscow.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: chrisw1 on September 12, 2018, 05:42:36 PM
Come on JT, we'll even give you a full kit guard of honour if you help get us promoted!
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: Chris Jameson on September 12, 2018, 06:02:20 PM
Wonder how far into contract negotiations they got before he found out where Moscow is?
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 12, 2018, 06:10:41 PM
I think its up to the owners not JT . They obviously dont want him.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: Hookeysmith on September 12, 2018, 06:27:21 PM
I wish us and him would either shit or get off the pot.
If he is coming then come on then.
If not state it so and let's all move on.

Considering he has been as positive as he could be about us I would imagine the owners have balked at the cost with almost no guarantee of success. And you cannot blame them.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: godzvilla on September 12, 2018, 06:52:36 PM
"eRE tONI , WADDAYA FANCY,Moscow or the  Algarve iN dECEMBER ?" .
" yOU´RE AVIN A tURKISH, ENCHA, jOHN ?"
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: Jon Crofts on September 12, 2018, 08:16:37 PM
Ladbrokes 2/1 on joining Villa.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: Chris Jameson on September 12, 2018, 08:25:39 PM
Who is this Ladbrokes fella, is he a centre back?
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: Jon Crofts on September 12, 2018, 08:36:38 PM
Who is this Ladbrokes fella, is he a centre back?
Yes but Brucie thinks he’ll do a job as kit man.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: brian green on September 12, 2018, 08:44:10 PM
Pedant alert.  Is that 1/2 (2/1 on) or 2/1 (2/1 against) him coming?  If it is the latter Ladbrokes know he is not, despite Joe Coral being JT's bookie of choice.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: Jon Crofts on September 12, 2018, 08:55:24 PM
Pedant alert.  Is that 1/2 (2/1 on) or 2/1 (2/1 against) him coming?  If it is the latter Ladbrokes know he is not, despite Joe Coral being JT's bookie of choice.

It was 2/1 on earlier today Brian when I saw it by chance in a bookies window in London village.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: mr underhill on September 12, 2018, 08:56:54 PM
off to Derby then?
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: Jon Crofts on September 12, 2018, 09:00:33 PM
off to Derby then?
Yep, I’m surprised it didn’t happen sooner.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: AsTallAsLions on September 12, 2018, 09:01:43 PM
I think its up to the owners not JT . They obviously dont want him.

By that logic, they don't want anyone. We haven't signed Collins, Huth, or re-signed Samba either. None of that means that our new owners can't see the need for another CB between now and January.

I'm sure they can see the value in temporarily re-signing last season's captain, who IMO single-handedly steadied the ship. There are a lot of other reasons why it might not happen.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: four fornicholl on September 12, 2018, 09:54:08 PM
Interview with Terry on SSN at ten
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: ozzjim on September 12, 2018, 10:47:49 PM
Ffs. Derby get stronger at the back while we still play a bloke out of position there. It's almost like the manager is utterly clueless.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: andyh on September 12, 2018, 11:04:58 PM
Of course, John Terry is the only centre half in the whole wide world and it’s totally correct that so many people should put all their faith in coming back to the club and be so disappointed if (when) he doesn’t re-sign.

For fucks sake people, let it go.
worry about the real reason why we are completely compromised in the middle of our defence.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 12, 2018, 11:13:02 PM
Of course, John Terry is the only centre half in the whole wide world and it’s totally correct that so many people should put all their faith in coming back to the club and be so disappointed if (when) he doesn’t re-sign.

For fucks sake people, let it go.
worry about the real reason why we are completely compromised in the middle of our defence.

I don't give that much of a shit one way or the other but isn't worrying about how we improve the situation more positive (and useful) than worrying about how we got there in the first place?

I know Bruce fucked up massively, it is dereliction of duty, but the fact we're in this mess in the first place is not as important as what we can do to get out of it.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 12, 2018, 11:17:51 PM
The chubby spud that is the cause of it seemed to put all of his faith in Appleyard coming back. The defence is the reason we won't go up and he'll lose his job. End result, he trousers a pay off and we'll spend yet another year in this shitpot division.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: PeterWithe on September 12, 2018, 11:21:02 PM
Whatever they have planned, I just wish they’d get on with it.

Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: Duncan Shaw on September 13, 2018, 08:17:22 AM
I'm ambivalent towards him coming back but would like to think he would bring organisation and harmony to the squad (it's a different debate to suggest the manager should be able to deliver that!!)

I would be disappointed to see him deliver that to a rival in our division though, so I guess I'm leaning on please re-sign him!!
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: Damo70 on September 13, 2018, 11:21:48 AM
Talksport have today reported that he has rejected a move to Moscow for personal reasons.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: AsTallAsLions on September 13, 2018, 11:34:49 AM
Talksport have today reported that he has rejected a move to Moscow for personal reasons.

They're just a day late reporting what he posted on Instagram then
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: RussellC on September 13, 2018, 11:37:24 AM
I'm ambivalent towards him coming back but would like to think he would bring organisation and harmony to the squad (it's a different debate to suggest the manager should be able to deliver that!!)

I would be disappointed to see him deliver that to a rival in our division though, so I guess I'm leaning on please re-sign him!!

This is the main point for me. My biggest concern about the Sheff Utd performance is how many of the players would actually give much of a shit about it afterwards.

We need players who simply won't accept losing games, let alone in that manner. Last year we had Terry and Snodgrass - who you could tell hated losing. I'm not sure how many like that we have this year. I'd bring him back for that alone.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: Damo70 on September 13, 2018, 11:38:24 AM
Talksport have today reported that he has rejected a move to Moscow for personal reasons.

They're just a day late reporting what he posted on Instagram then

You must be mistaken. Jim White knows everything that happens before anyone else. ;)
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: mr underhill on September 13, 2018, 12:13:32 PM
I'm getting seriously fed up with this now.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: Three Spires Villa on September 13, 2018, 12:55:37 PM
Yep agree, well done Mr Bruce, you really thought this out
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: Hookeysmith on September 13, 2018, 01:37:00 PM
Is it safe to assume that any money spent so far by the new owners is based around youth and prospects with sell on values?

Irrespective of the virtues Mr Terry brings to the team (and I think there are many) then his alleged wages alone is circa £3mil for a single year is probably the stumbling block why he did not extend his original stay and probably why he and the other OAP's we are allegedly looking at (Huth / Collins) are also not happening.

If this is a silly game by Bruce to force their hand, by sending Elphick out etc, then he is as stupid as his team selections.

If we are not going to do it then FFS come out and say it as this teasing is getting tedious
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: TopDeck113 on September 13, 2018, 06:59:33 PM
Another one bored with this now.  I wish in May he'd left with our good wishes and a reappraisal of the professional footballer if not the man.  If he was now enjoying that final big pay day in China or wherever, I for one wouldn't have begrudged him a penny. We could have also moved on. Instead, we in the situation where we're enduring a will-he, won't-he tease for a position in the team that we find ours desperate for.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: ozzjim on September 13, 2018, 09:50:47 PM
If we have even made him an offer. Press speculation aside, nothing has been confirmed that we have. I would question why not, as even on 50k a week he's probably worth the gamble due to our complete desperation. Signing Huth up would be just as effective if he's fit though and cost a lot less.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: Steve67 on September 13, 2018, 11:15:37 PM
Huth must be crocked, Collins has a groin problem and Terry is on borrowed time.  Three great choices. Bruce really has done himself and the club proud.  Dreadful planning.  Steer going out on loan is also a shocking decision given he wasted a loan place on Moreira.  Didn't matter in the end as he couldn't fill that last loan place with a centre back but was a bloody stupid piece of work.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: olaftab on September 13, 2018, 11:21:57 PM
Talksport have today reported that he has rejected a move to Moscow for personal reasons.
Is Today Today or is it Tomorrow or was it Yesterday?
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: Steve67 on September 13, 2018, 11:25:14 PM
Talksport have today reported that he has rejected a move to Moscow for personal reasons.
Is Today Today or is it Tomorrow or was it Yesterday?

No mate, the day before tomorrow.  The day after yesterday, potentially.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: brian green on September 14, 2018, 07:00:50 AM
Ah.  Geddit.  We are time travelling.  A shift in the time space continuum will have Martin Laursen striding down Witton Lane with his boots in a Lidl bag.
t.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: mr underhill on September 14, 2018, 07:06:46 AM
I wish
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: mr underhill on September 14, 2018, 07:11:32 AM
Just a thought - maybe we're ho;ding off until after the Wednesday game when after a haul of four points  out of nine he'll be appointed player manager!
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: brian green on September 14, 2018, 07:45:17 AM
I still have my Martin Laursen shirt so it will save me splashing out my old age pension on a new one.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: Holte132 on September 14, 2018, 08:19:57 AM
Just a thought - maybe we're ho;ding off until after the Wednesday game when after a haul of four points  out of nine he'll be appointed player manager!

Game's on Tuesday, not Wednesday.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: mr underhill on September 14, 2018, 08:57:50 AM
no the Sheffield Wednesday game on Saturday
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: Risso on September 14, 2018, 09:53:29 AM
I still have my Martin Laursen shirt so it will save me splashing out my old age pension on a new one.

Have you got any boots Brian, I can't believe that you'd be any less mobile than Jedinak.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: PeterWithe on September 14, 2018, 10:45:13 AM
I still have my Martin Laursen shirt so it will save me splashing out my old age pension on a new one.

Have you got any boots Brian, I can't believe that you'd be any less mobile than Jedinak.

I'm getting the feeling you don't rate him that highly?

I see him on the school run occasionally, he looks like he has the weight of the world on his shoulders.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: Risso on September 14, 2018, 10:52:06 AM
I still have my Martin Laursen shirt so it will save me splashing out my old age pension on a new one.

Have you got any boots Brian, I can't believe that you'd be any less mobile than Jedinak.

I'm getting the feeling you don't rate him that highly?

I see him on the school run occasionally, he looks like he has the weight of the world on his shoulders.

I think Brian's a marvellous fellow!

Oh, Jedinak.  No, not much.  Fine for the odd game where a bit of physicality is required in midfield against a Pulis team, absolutely bloody dismal as a cental defender.  He's OK if the ball comes straight out at him to be headed away, not so good if any running, positional ability or passing is required though.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: PeterWithe on September 14, 2018, 10:58:00 AM
I think he'll do alright at centre back in the end, he'll have to.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 14, 2018, 11:55:39 AM
If we cant afford him , bin one of the coaches off , like Clemence and put his wages towards JT as player/coach .


Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: andyh on September 14, 2018, 12:02:56 PM
It seems to me that despite all his claims of being ready and able to continue playing football, he ain’t that willing.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: AsTallAsLions on September 14, 2018, 12:05:40 PM
I like JT. I've defended him before and thought he was fantastic for us last year.

But I will say, at almost 38, having earned a fortune in the game already, I'd be highly disappointed if he wasn't willing to take a pay cut to rejoin us. If he had resignations on the footballing side of things - i.e. wanted to finish out his career playing in Europe or U.S. - I wouldn't begrudge him that. If it's a matter of holding out for more money, then he can piss off quite frankly.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 14, 2018, 02:25:01 PM
chelsea boss saying hes open to JT returning as a coach .
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: TheMalandro on September 14, 2018, 02:28:19 PM
chelsea boss saying hes open to JT returning as a coach .

The full interview said that he'd offered Terry a coach position but Terry said he wanted to play for another year.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 14, 2018, 02:30:03 PM
chelsea boss saying hes open to JT returning as a coach .

The full interview said that he'd offered Terry a coach position but Terry said he wanted to play for another year.

JT better get on with it then , it will be christmas soon . 
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on September 14, 2018, 02:33:03 PM


According to someone on Twitter that seems to get more right than wrong we've offered Terry 25k a week plus a coaching role. And we've upped it to 30k

Sounds reasonable to me.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: TheMalandro on September 14, 2018, 02:35:20 PM


According to someone on Twitter that seems to get more right than wrong we've offered Terry 25k a week plus a coaching role. And we've upped it to 30k

Sounds reasonable to me.

It sounds reasonable to me too. Give him a bigger role when we lose to Blackburn.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on September 14, 2018, 02:36:30 PM


According to someone on Twitter that seems to get more right than wrong we've offered Terry 25k a week plus a coaching role. And we've upped it to 30k

Sounds reasonable to me.

It sounds reasonable to me too. Give him a bigger role when we lose to Blackburn.

That's the spirit!
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: TheMalandro on September 14, 2018, 02:39:28 PM


According to someone on Twitter that seems to get more right than wrong we've offered Terry 25k a week plus a coaching role. And we've upped it to 30k

Sounds reasonable to me.

It sounds reasonable to me too. Give him a bigger role when we lose to Blackburn.

That's the spirit!


:)
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: RussellC on September 14, 2018, 02:56:27 PM
Time for Terry to put-up or shut-up now. If he really cares about the club, and feels like he has 'unfinished business' then he'll snap our hands-off for £30k a week.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: Drummond on September 14, 2018, 03:03:53 PM
Time for Terry to put-up or shut-up now. If he really cares about the club, and feels like he has 'unfinished business' then he'll snap our hands-off for £30k a week.

Of course he will, I mean why would he want to do a job somewhere else and get paid two or three times as much?
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: RussellC on September 14, 2018, 03:15:22 PM
Time for Terry to put-up or shut-up now. If he really cares about the club, and feels like he has 'unfinished business' then he'll snap our hands-off for £30k a week.

Of course he will, I mean why would he want to do a job somewhere else and get paid two or three times as much?

Well he's just turned down what appears to be the only other offer on the table for 'family reasons'.  It's now highly likely to be October before he's actually ready to play a competitive game for whoever he signs for so he doesn't really have the luxury of any more time to wait for a better offer to come in, as I see it.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: RussellC on September 14, 2018, 03:19:31 PM
And - to add to that - if he doesn't want to earn £30k a week for playing for us in the Championship at this stage, we really shouldn't be wasting any more time in talking to him about it.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: mr underhill on September 14, 2018, 04:37:35 PM
Terry coming back only ever makes sense to me if he's on a more realistic salary and he has some sort of coaching role - defence would be a great place to start as  it appears to have dropped off Steve's radar
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: Villa in Denmark on September 14, 2018, 05:32:40 PM
I still have my Martin Laursen shirt so it will save me splashing out my old age pension on a new one.

Have you got any boots Brian, I can't believe that you'd be any less mobile than Jedinak.

I'm getting the feeling you don't rate him that highly?

I see him on the school run occasionally, he looks like he has the weight of the world on his shoulders.

That might explain his lack of mobility if he's carrying that sort of excess weight around.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: brian green on September 14, 2018, 06:25:26 PM
I don't  do a school run.  Damon's kids hitch hike and Lucas's chauffeur takes his (Jason Statham).
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: in exile on September 16, 2018, 12:10:12 PM
Just lock the thread...he 'aint coming back
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: footyskillz on October 03, 2018, 10:11:36 PM
Just lock the thread...he 'aint coming back

Well you never know now he could be a player manager effort!
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: themossman on October 03, 2018, 10:13:23 PM
No time for a spurious thread bump, skillz!
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: footyskillz on October 03, 2018, 10:14:35 PM
I like to talk about people on their own designated threads but sorry if that annoyed you
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: themossman on October 03, 2018, 10:21:07 PM
I’m only kidding skills, I’m not annoyed. Bump away. I just thought there was a scoop on Terry.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: not3bad on October 03, 2018, 10:52:54 PM
There is. He's the next manager! Yay!
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: wittonwarrior on October 04, 2018, 02:18:00 AM
Hope not. Great player but manager never. You need some sort of respect all round for that role
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: Villafirst on October 04, 2018, 07:29:59 AM
Terry would be a good fit. He knows the club and can organise and most of all is a good leader.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: andyh on October 04, 2018, 07:47:30 AM
Terry would be a good fit. He knows the club and can organise and most of all is a good leader.
Maybe he would if those were the only attributes needed to manage a football club.
Not for me, but as a number 2 ? Maybe.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: Dave P on October 07, 2018, 08:26:37 PM
Just seen that Terry has retired from playing football.  Is this true?
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: leylandalbion on October 07, 2018, 08:29:00 PM
Just seen that Terry has retired from playing football.  Is this true?
Yep, shame if he is coming, could have been useful up until xmas.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: ozzjim on October 07, 2018, 08:29:18 PM
Statement on his Instagram account. Very nice words about the Villa. Felt he really did throw himself into it here. Great player, and enjoyed watching him, which is some turnaround for me on JT.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: achilles on October 07, 2018, 08:32:56 PM
I think I have read that he feels that he is not ready yet for a managers job, coaching a totally different kettle of fish!
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: purpletrousers on October 07, 2018, 08:39:32 PM
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Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: wittonwarrior on October 07, 2018, 08:41:00 PM
This is all going to end badly.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: Rudy65 on October 07, 2018, 08:45:27 PM
This is all going to end badly.

Why?
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: Villafirst on October 07, 2018, 08:47:51 PM
Terry will be a great aquisition alongside Henry. We desperately  need a leader and motivator.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: wittonwarrior on October 07, 2018, 08:51:15 PM
This is all going to end badly.

Why?

It's the whole package not just Terry - just doesn't sit right with me.  We need experience right now to move us forward.  Only two names I would feel confident with of whom we have half a chance they may just say yes - Rodgers and Smith.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: Ads on October 07, 2018, 08:52:15 PM
Experience like somebody who has been in this league and got a few sides up. Who knows what it's about...
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: saunders_heroes on October 07, 2018, 08:52:38 PM
This is all going to end badly.

Why?

It's the whole package not just Terry - just doesn't sit right with me.  We need experience right now to move us forward.  Only two names I would feel confident with of whom we have half a chance they may just say yes - Rodgers and Smith.


Fat lot of good experience has brought us since 2010.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 07, 2018, 08:54:14 PM
This is all going to end badly.

Why?

It's the whole package not just Terry - just doesn't sit right with me.  We need experience right now to move us forward.  Only two names I would feel confident with of whom we have half a chance they may just say yes - Rodgers and Smith.

If only there was someone like that we could hire. How about TSM2?
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 07, 2018, 09:26:27 PM
This is all going to end badly.

And after how swimmingly well it's been going the last 7 years.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on October 07, 2018, 09:29:52 PM
Hopefully when he sees how bad our defence is he will come out of retirement.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on October 07, 2018, 09:31:53 PM
There is a difference between appointing one or more experienced managers that were bad decisions and it being a bad decision to ever appoint an experienced manager.

It may well be that an experience is a vital part of the mix for the next manager, but then so is competence, a clear playing philosophy, great coaching, and a commitment to properly build something.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 07, 2018, 09:36:48 PM
Quite “randomly” 30 min ago the AVFC Twitter feed wished John Terry congratulations on a great career...
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 07, 2018, 09:40:34 PM
Quite “randomly” 30 min ago the AVFC Twitter feed wished John Terry congratulations on a great career...

Probably because he's just announced his retirement. No different to them wishing happy birthday to someone who played 6 games for us 26 years ago.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: mcgrath_85 on October 07, 2018, 09:40:38 PM
Quite “randomly” 30 min ago the AVFC Twitter feed wished John Terry congratulations on a great career...

What makes this “random”?
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: Drummond on October 07, 2018, 09:43:33 PM
This is all going to end badly.

It always does, doesn't it? I'm not sure there are many managers who have ever left when things are going well. Sir Graham before England I suppose.

Lets just hope it gore's really, really well before the end!
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: Damo70 on October 07, 2018, 09:43:55 PM
Experience like somebody who has been in this league and got a few sides up. Who knows what it's about...

I make that a shortlist of Big Sam, 'Arry  the spiv and Colin Wanker. Time to reset the poll. ;)
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: BoVillan esq on October 07, 2018, 09:46:31 PM
I think John Terry should sign end of, play some games, influence around the squad, perhaps he can combine that role with assisting somebody like Henry, you can always make the case for experience, problem is we have done that to death, Bruce was the the perfect definition of experience, its not working for us, I would be happy to see Henry take over, great if Wenger was part of that, if not, so be it.

Personally, in my opinion I think we go the other way now, throw caution to the wind and go for flair and creativity, get the club back on its feet and playing football, Henry is a bit of a maverick but so what, it might be just what we need and if we can play some decent football again, that in itself is a huge bonus.     
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on October 07, 2018, 09:46:42 PM
Quite “randomly” 30 min ago the AVFC Twitter feed wished John Terry congratulations on a great career...

Maybe our media team are remarkably alert on a Sunday evening or maybe there is a degree of coordination happening.

Whether linked or not, Terry announcing his retirement clears the way for him to announce what he does next.

This is speculating wildly - but it would be entirely possible to announce that in the same message/at the same time unless there is a reason not to, like his next move being linked to another announcement.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: Drummond on October 07, 2018, 09:51:16 PM
It's really big news. He was our captain, we're bound to be keeping an eye on his account.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: Nev on October 07, 2018, 10:00:44 PM
A Chelsea fan told me that Terry had taken a role coaching their Under 23's. This was last Thursday.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: maidstonevillain on October 07, 2018, 10:02:19 PM
Experience like somebody who has been in this league and got a few sides up. Who knows what it's about...

And will get us there....or thereabouts...
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: Lastfootstamper on October 07, 2018, 10:18:11 PM
A Chelsea fan told me that Terry had taken a role coaching their Under 23's. This was last Thursday.

From what I've gleaned from tinternet last couple of days, he's not contracted or owt. He's just "helping out" with their U19s & U23s.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: paul_e on October 07, 2018, 10:19:41 PM
The key thing with experience is to consider how relevant it is. Bruce gad plenty of experience at yoyo clubs but it never translated to us because he couldn't understand why fans expected more than playing the percentages with a solid defence and good players in attack providing moments of brilliance. The car crash this season may have been him attempting to address that but, if so, he just showed that it was beyond him.

I'd love for us to find the perfect manager but I'm not sure he'd be available right now.

If we can't get someone with the attitude, intelligence, skill and experience we want then, for me, the latter is the one I'd be happy to miss out on.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: VillaAlways on October 07, 2018, 10:20:47 PM
https://twitter.com/ouravfc/status/1049036444306690050?s=21

From 2016
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: PeterWithe on October 07, 2018, 11:11:55 PM
I was recently surprised to learn that a lot of ex pros looking to get into coaching don’t get paid to work with the kids at clubs, it’s all voluntary with the hope of stepping up later and getting paid.
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: tomd2103 on October 07, 2018, 11:27:05 PM
I was recently surprised to learn that a lot of ex pros looking to get into coaching don’t get paid to work with the kids at clubs, it’s all voluntary with the hope of stepping up later and getting paid.

It's likely to be the ones who don't have to worry about earning money after they have finished playing!!
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: mr underhill on October 08, 2018, 10:39:38 AM
I'm sure we are going to morethan adequately remunerate if he comes!
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on October 10, 2018, 08:55:30 PM
John Terry has agreed a deal to become assistant manager at Aston Villa, but no decision is expected be made on a new manager until Friday. (Via Sky Sports) #AVFC
Title: Re: John Terry
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on October 10, 2018, 08:55:50 PM
Anyone seen this?
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Chris_Jephcott on October 10, 2018, 10:10:09 PM
Think it caught everyone on the bounce.

Welcome back John. Time to finish that business off from last season!
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Nev on October 10, 2018, 10:10:58 PM
My only concern would be Terry possibly treading on the managers toes, overstepping the mark sort of thing. A bit "I'm JT, you're only Dean Smith". Hope not.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Drummond on October 10, 2018, 10:15:56 PM
My only concern would be Terry possibly treading on the managers toes, overstepping the mark sort of thing. A bit "I'm JT, you're only Dean Smith". Hope not.

I don't see that at all. He's been nothing but respectful since he came to the club to be fair.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 10, 2018, 10:16:40 PM
In fairness to Appleyard there seemed no Billy Bigtime stuff last season. I just hope Smith is happy with it rather than it was a take it or leave it Appleyard is your assistant type thing.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Ad@m on October 10, 2018, 10:17:48 PM
Player coach?!

We need a centre half!!
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: itmustbe_it is! on October 10, 2018, 10:21:43 PM
Chuffed to bits with both appointments. Come on Villa
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: TonyD on October 10, 2018, 10:32:11 PM
Fucking ace.   
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: West Derby Villan on October 10, 2018, 10:36:12 PM
Welcome back John
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Villafirst on October 10, 2018, 10:38:07 PM
Dust your boots down John! At least until January!!
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Hinckley Dave on October 10, 2018, 10:39:35 PM
I completely changed my mind on him last season. Thought he was excellent for us, on and off the pitch. Brought a winning and professional attitude to the club which was surely lacking, hopes he does the same again, and judging on last season I don't think he'll cause a problem for Smith.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Richard E on October 10, 2018, 10:44:04 PM
This will surely see an improvement in the performance of our defence.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Chris Jameson on October 10, 2018, 10:45:17 PM
I’m out of here!
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: AsTallAsLions on October 10, 2018, 10:45:35 PM
Chuffed to bits. Hope he doesn't prove me wrong, but think he'll make a great assistant and could manage us one day.

(Although my endorsement is potentially the first nail in his coffin right there...)
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 10, 2018, 10:46:31 PM
I’m out of here!

An appointment with no down sides.

/baddumtish
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: footyskillz on October 10, 2018, 10:48:18 PM
Nice one JT can't keep away!!
Wonder if Bruce would have brought him in as a defensive coach ?!

Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: achilles on October 10, 2018, 11:00:29 PM
Another brilliant appointment as Terry said he wanted to start in coaching first and he will provide a able foil for Dean.

Just can't wait to get down there and welcome them both properly!
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: purpletrousers on October 10, 2018, 11:20:45 PM
I completely changed my mind on him last season. Thought he was excellent for us, on and off the pitch. Brought a winning and professional attitude to the club which was surely lacking, hopes he does the same again, and judging on last season I don't think he'll cause a problem for Smith.

Indeed. For this very reason can we please stop the Appleyard business?

It was sort of amusing for the first 5mins, fair enough, those of us resistant to having him on board for very good reasons had the urge to reinvent him. I bought in.

It's time has gone, he bought into our club, was a good servant. His retirement statement (just when we we needed him to play, but perhaps he's wise enough to know his legs are not what they were) makes it clear if it wasn't already, he's a one club man, but given that, none of us could have imagined how he got us, and it hurt him he didn't succeed. He's back.

As much as nicknames on an internet discussion board don't matter, well I actually do feel respect for the man, despite his past. I'm willing to give him the chance that he's reformed/matured and happy to use his name.

Just saying like. 
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: andyh on October 10, 2018, 11:22:41 PM
Deleted . Wrong thread
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 10, 2018, 11:28:19 PM
I still don't like him but also think he will actually be good for us, and i'm going to stick with Apppleyard.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Steve67 on October 10, 2018, 11:46:40 PM
Why Appleyard? Three p's too. Is that a thing Mr Shin?
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 10, 2018, 11:49:38 PM
My keyboard is crap. And at times i'm too lazy to double check my spelling. I'd like to claim it some awesome wit adding the extra p, but it's just that.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: OCD on October 10, 2018, 11:50:40 PM
What’s the original reference about?
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Legion on October 10, 2018, 11:56:21 PM
I’m out of here!

Can't you just give it a rest and appreciate what he did for us last season and what he might do in the future for us?
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: cdbearsfan on October 11, 2018, 12:03:16 AM
I’m out of here!

I'm still not the hugest Terry fan, myself. But I suppose we can just praise Smith when we win and blame Appleyard when we lose. 😉
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 11, 2018, 12:06:07 AM
I’m out of here!

Can't you just give it a rest and appreciate what he did for us last season and what he might do in the future for us?

Well said.

Chris I like you but it's really old and tired now. We all get it that you don't like him.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: cdbearsfan on October 11, 2018, 12:13:44 AM
He only posted four words. Nobody died.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: cdbearsfan on October 11, 2018, 12:14:04 AM
Well, sort of four and a bit.
Title: Re: John Terry - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 11, 2018, 12:17:54 AM
I think this was the first Appleyard mention. It came about due to many not being overly thrilled to have him plus the thought of  of the JT stuff, especially us being John Terry's Aston Villa.

I agree. I think we should change his name entirely to something inoffensive like Russell Stevens or Gerald Appleyard. Reinvent him completely.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: footyskillz on October 11, 2018, 12:19:10 AM
Hogan on JT from Daily mail

 'He's different to what you expect, he's almost quite shy. He's not the most vocal but he leads by example.

'As a central defender he's watched the game from the back all his life and he understands things, he understands patterns of play, where to be, his reading of the game... he's arguably been the best defender of his generation.

'So if he can pass his knowledge on that would be brilliant, he knows the lads, he knows the ground, he knows the training ground, the staff. He knows what the fans expect and he has played at a big club all those years and won everything.'
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 11, 2018, 12:20:14 AM
He only posted four words. Nobody died.

It's pretty much guaranteed that the second he pressed 'post' a few people died. Their deaths may not have been related to posting those four and a bit words though.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Drummond on October 11, 2018, 12:24:13 AM
I’m out of here!

Can't you just give it a rest and appreciate what he did for us last season and what he might do in the future for us?

Well said.

Chris I like you but it's really old and tired now. We all get it that you don't like him.

There are plenty of others who repeatedly bang their drums over much more inane stuff than that without any repercussion. Leave it be!

I find it amusing! There's certainly no bitchiness in the post!
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: cdbearsfan on October 11, 2018, 12:24:46 AM
He only posted four words. Nobody died.

It's pretty much guaranteed that the second he pressed 'post' a few people died. Their deaths may not have been related to posting those four and a bit words though.

Hadn't thought of it that way.

In many ways, Jameson has blood on his hands.

No wonder he was so keen to get away today.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 11, 2018, 12:25:27 AM
He only posted four words. Nobody died.

It's pretty much guaranteed that the second he pressed 'post' a few people died. Their deaths may not have been related to posting those four and a bit words though.

Hadn't thought of it that way.

In many ways, Jameson has blood on his hands.

No wonder he was so keen to get away today.

Every time he claps his hands an African child dies.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: cdbearsfan on October 11, 2018, 12:26:58 AM
True. But at least he pays tax.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Monty on October 11, 2018, 12:30:45 AM
I quite like that Terry is here. Continuity for him and for us, a conduit for our more difficult players should they object to the manager's ideas, a respected and calming influence all round - it makes perfect sense to me.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: ozzjim on October 11, 2018, 12:55:31 AM
He only posted four words. Nobody died.

It's pretty much guaranteed that the second he pressed 'post' a few people died. Their deaths may not have been related to posting those four and a bit words though.

Hadn't thought of it that way.

In many ways, Jameson has blood on his hands.

No wonder he was so keen to get away today.

Every time he claps his hands an African child dies.

Is that why weird places keep banning clapping?!
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: footyskillz on October 11, 2018, 01:02:36 AM
Smith will look to rely on JT knowledge of the club and it's a critical move because he can help manage as JT knows expectations.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: KevinGage on October 11, 2018, 01:49:10 AM
My only concern would be Terry possibly treading on the managers toes, overstepping the mark sort of thing. A bit "I'm JT, you're only Dean Smith". Hope not.

I don't think he'll do that.

Despite all he's done in the game there was no Billy Big Bollocks last season and the players seemed to genuinely like him.

The key ones like Snodgrass, Chester and Grealish but also those outside the circle of trust like Gabby, Richards and Lansbury.

It's a bit weird that we seem to have decided on a no.2 before selecting the manager. And you have to wonder if the first choice pics (Henry, Faria) were put off by that.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on October 11, 2018, 03:37:18 AM
I quite like that Terry is here. Continuity for him and for us, a conduit for our more difficult players should they object to the manager's ideas, a respected and calming influence all round - it makes perfect sense to me.

My thoughts exactly, Monty.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: wittonwarrior on October 11, 2018, 04:36:07 AM
Good appointment for JT all  round.  Its a win win position.  If Smith succeeds then JT succeeds.  If Dean Smith ultimately fails after a prolonged period  then JT may not follow him out of the door. 

A great opportunity for someone who showed what a professional he was when he played for the club.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: PaulWinch again on October 11, 2018, 06:41:57 AM
Welcome back.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: mr underhill on October 11, 2018, 07:16:24 AM
Indeed the club needs his leadership. I really think he does have a genuine respect for the club. now finish that unfinished business JT and help get us back to the top.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Chris Smith on October 11, 2018, 07:27:06 AM
I am pleased with both appointments although I expect that a couple of years down the line that Terry will be looking to be number one so is going to get linked with any number of jobs. The fact that we now appear to have a professional structure in place should ensure we can manage that without causing wholesale change.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: CT on October 11, 2018, 08:23:42 AM
I am pleased with both appointments although I expect that a couple of years down the line that Terry will be looking to be number one so is going to get linked with any number of jobs. The fact that we now appear to have a professional structure in place should ensure we can manage that without causing wholesale change.

Really pleased. I wonder though if JT will take one look at the defence and find it irresistible to jump back in.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: eddiemunster on October 11, 2018, 10:31:16 AM
If JT stays for a reasonable length of time as the assistant coach, then we are deffo looking at our "Next" manager.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Clampy on October 11, 2018, 10:33:47 AM
It will be interesting to see where he fits in amongst Smith's backroom staff, especially if Richard O'Kelly comes in.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: mr underhill on October 11, 2018, 10:58:56 AM
we need more than two so I don't see it as a problem - a wild guess but I would expect him to take lead responsibility for the defence?
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: TheMalandro on October 11, 2018, 11:19:51 AM
Smith had two assistant coaches at Brentford, perhaps we are only getting O'Kelly.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Hookeysmith on October 11, 2018, 01:31:55 PM
Before we all clamour for the return of Terry the player - he has missed all of pre season, he has been on holiday for most of it and he is now 38

It would probably take the rest of this year in full on training to get anywhere near enough fit to play - and I am sure he will have other things to concentrate on
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Drummond on October 11, 2018, 01:35:12 PM
Before we all clamour for the return of Terry the player - he has missed all of pre season, he has been on holiday for most of it and he is now 38

It would probably take the rest of this year in full on training to get anywhere near enough fit to play - and I am sure he will have other things to concentrate on

Great, he's got 9 days.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 11, 2018, 01:43:15 PM
It will be interesting to see where he fits in amongst Smith's backroom staff, especially if Richard O'Kelly comes in.

Richard O’Kelly has joined
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: ChicagoLion on October 11, 2018, 02:29:45 PM
If he gets fit enough to come off the bench to help shore a lead up then that could be very useful.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: VinnieChase84 on October 11, 2018, 02:30:21 PM
It will be interesting to see where he fits in amongst Smith's backroom staff, especially if Richard O'Kelly comes in.

Richard O’Kelly has joined

Dean Smith has two assistants
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: UK Redsox on October 11, 2018, 02:50:34 PM
Before we all clamour for the return of Terry the player - he has missed all of pre season, he has been on holiday for most of it and he is now 38

It would probably take the rest of this year in full on training to get anywhere near enough fit to play - and I am sure he will have other things to concentrate on

Even allowing for all that, he'd still be the best option after Chester and Axel
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: CT on October 11, 2018, 05:43:08 PM
It will be interesting to see where he fits in amongst Smith's backroom staff, especially if Richard O'Kelly comes in.

Richard O’Kelly has joined

I was just about to ask regarding this. I couldn't see anything about O'Kelly officially but heard SSN mention this morning that he'd joined alongside JT.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: mike on October 11, 2018, 09:15:31 PM
It can’t have been a coincidence that he formally retired during the period he was being recruited, it just seems odd given the fact we are so desperate for a centre half. I can only imagine he’s either chronically unfit or he wants to separate playing and coaching roles.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: clash city rocker on October 11, 2018, 09:39:42 PM
It can’t have been a coincidence that he formally retired during the period he was being recruited, it just seems odd given the fact we are so desperate for a centre half. I can only imagine he’s either chronically unfit or he wants to separate playing and coaching roles.

He will be on less as a coach than if He was a player so perhaps we just can't afford to pay him as a player. Plus I suppose it's a bit of a can of worms. Pay him for one job but expect him to do two.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: clash city rocker on October 11, 2018, 09:57:45 PM
I would imagine there are one or two players that did or said things while Terry was here as a player and are thinking it may now come back to bite them on the arse.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Comrade Blitz on October 12, 2018, 12:28:26 PM
I love it.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: jwarry on October 12, 2018, 12:31:03 PM
Really can’t understand the media trying to stir it with Richard coming in. They never seemed to bother when we had 3 assistant managers under Bruce!
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: VillaAlways on October 13, 2018, 05:11:46 PM
Very reassuring read.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2018/10/13/john-terryhappy-learn-ropes-new-aston-villa-manager-dean-smith/
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: TheMalandro on October 13, 2018, 06:44:38 PM
It will be interesting to see where he fits in amongst Smith's backroom staff, especially if Richard O'Kelly comes in.

Richard O’Kelly has joined

I didn't realise he's already had a six-month stint at Villa. His middle name is also Florence.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: mike on October 13, 2018, 07:05:35 PM
Very reassuring read.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2018/10/13/john-terryhappy-learn-ropes-new-aston-villa-manager-dean-smith/

I never thought I’d be pleased to read a Torygraph article. That is very reassuring.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: PaulWinch again on October 13, 2018, 07:27:38 PM
Good stuff.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: eamonn on October 13, 2018, 09:32:01 PM
Percy is a good journalist, Telegraph or not.

Surprised that Terry and Smith only spoke on the phone prior to their recruiting and didn't have a number of physical meetings together during the process.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Clampy on October 15, 2018, 10:55:34 AM
Didn't John Percy say we were looking at a manager who wasn't even in the betting?
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: SheffieldVillain on October 15, 2018, 10:57:11 AM
Didn't John Percy say we were looking at a manager who wasn't even in the betting?

I think that was Alan Nixon - he later said he was talking about Patrick Vieira.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Clampy on October 15, 2018, 10:59:38 AM
Didn't John Percy say we were looking at a manager who wasn't even in the betting?

I think that was Alan Nixon - he later said he was talking about Patrick Vieira.

Yes, Nixon's name popped in my head just after I posted.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on October 15, 2018, 01:12:37 PM
Looking at it from Terry's perspective, it's a fantastic opportunity to work daily with such a great Coach. It's a very smart move on his side and should help him develop into the Manager he wants to be long term. Comparisons with Lampard should be shelved for a few years. Let's see where both are in 5 years time. My money is firmly on Terry.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Dave P on October 15, 2018, 01:16:56 PM
Looking at it from Terry's perspective, it's a fantastic opportunity to work daily with such a great Coach. It's a very smart move on his side and should help him develop into the Manager he wants to be long term. Comparisons with Lampard should be shelved for a few years. Let's see where both are in 5 years time. My money is firmly on Terry.

Yep.  Terry is going down a road called 'Mourinho' whereas Lampard is going down one called 'Paul Ince'
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: olaftab on October 15, 2018, 01:17:56 PM
I agree RCF and also shows Terry has the right mindset and  no "airs and graces" and wants to develop himself in his chosen path.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Drummond on October 15, 2018, 01:24:05 PM
Looking at it from Terry's perspective, it's a fantastic opportunity to work daily with such a great Coach. It's a very smart move on his side and should help him develop into the Manager he wants to be long term. Comparisons with Lampard should be shelved for a few years. Let's see where both are in 5 years time. My money is firmly on Terry.

Yep.  Terry is going down a road called 'Mourinho' whereas Lampard is going down one called 'Paul Ince'

Shudder. I had been thinking Tony Adams...
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Hookeysmith on October 15, 2018, 03:22:17 PM
If you listen to the Brentford fans wishing Smith all the best as it was a lifelong ambition to come to Villa, then I really hope in a good few years and when he is ready we can do the same when JT eventually takes up a Managers role elsewhere - especially if it was with Chelsea

Although we maybe a bigger team than them by then  ;)
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: clash city rocker on October 15, 2018, 05:31:47 PM
If you listen to the Brentford fans wishing Smith all the best as it was a lifelong ambition to come to Villa, then I really hope in a good few years and when he is ready we can do the same when JT eventually takes up a Managers role elsewhere - especially if it was with Chelsea

Although we maybe a bigger team than them by then  ;)

By then our new owners will have bought Stamford bridge and turned it into a shopping centre and Chelsea will play their home games at craven cottage.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Fred Crump on October 15, 2018, 08:24:22 PM
Just a quick request - can we now please stop all the Appleyard shit and give our assistant coach some basic respect by calling him by his real name.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: chrisw1 on October 15, 2018, 08:28:11 PM
Just a quick request - can we now please stop all the Appleyard shit and give our assistant coach some basic respect by calling him by his real name.
Exactly.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Bad English on October 15, 2018, 10:04:08 PM
It's only about five, maybe three, people on an internet forum who call him Appleyard you know. Nothing to worry about really.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Drummond on October 15, 2018, 10:13:38 PM
It's only about five, maybe three, people on an internet forum who call him Appleyard you know. Nothing to worry about really.

Stone him! He said it, blasphemer!
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Fred Crump on October 15, 2018, 10:17:30 PM
I’ll have a couple of large pebbles and a packet of gravel please...  :)
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: eamonn on October 15, 2018, 10:26:23 PM
While we're at it, can we get rid of the poll question, ''Do you want John Terry to sign for Villa?" ? A bit old hat innit.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: olaftab on October 15, 2018, 10:35:40 PM
More of an issue the poll in this thread is now superfluous and should be removed.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Allan C on October 16, 2018, 08:05:11 AM
Looking at it from Terry's perspective, it's a fantastic opportunity to work daily with such a great Coach. It's a very smart move on his side and should help him develop into the Manager he wants to be long term. Comparisons with Lampard should be shelved for a few years. Let's see where both are in 5 years time. My money is firmly on Terry.

Yep.  Terry is going down a road called 'Mourinho' whereas Lampard is going down one called 'Paul Ince'
I think that is really unfair to Lampard. He’s from a totally different era unlike the likes of Ince, Bruce etc. The new breed are thinking, knowledgeable footballers, such as Terry and Henry who bring so much more to the game IMO
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Rudy65 on October 16, 2018, 08:54:54 AM
Looking at it from Terry's perspective, it's a fantastic opportunity to work daily with such a great Coach. It's a very smart move on his side and should help him develop into the Manager he wants to be long term. Comparisons with Lampard should be shelved for a few years. Let's see where both are in 5 years time. My money is firmly on Terry.

Yep.  Terry is going down a road called 'Mourinho' whereas Lampard is going down one called 'Paul Ince'
I think that is really unfair to Lampard. He’s from a totally different era unlike the likes of Ince, Bruce etc. The new breed are thinking, knowledgeable footballers, such as Terry and Henry who bring so much more to the game IMO

Agreed. Lampard is far more humble and intelligent than Ince. He would be a better leader as well in my view rather than the self named Governor
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Walmley_Villa on October 16, 2018, 02:52:48 PM
Nice Interview:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45873530 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45873530)
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on October 16, 2018, 03:15:46 PM
My one doubt about Terry was he'd use us for a season, get his badges and piss off at the first manager job offered. Reading that, he sounds as smart and humble as I could hope him to be.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on October 16, 2018, 03:27:45 PM
For those that have any doubts..

Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: mcgrath_85 on October 16, 2018, 03:47:48 PM
They both spoke well, particularly John Terry. Let’s hope they can get us playing even some semi attractive football in the short term. It couldn’t get any worse ay.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: olaftab on October 16, 2018, 05:15:09 PM
That's quite impressive and I am beginning to weaken my strong dislike  now as far as Terry the human being is concerned.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: PaulWinch again on October 16, 2018, 05:49:38 PM
Good interview.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Rigadon on October 16, 2018, 07:21:59 PM
Please be excellent.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: West Derby Villan on October 16, 2018, 07:28:27 PM
Early days but it sounds good without making outlandish promises
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Mister E on October 16, 2018, 07:29:13 PM
For those that have any doubts..


Terry - "I'm starting at the bottom". Hmmm; could have phrased that slightly differently!
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 16, 2018, 07:33:07 PM
"I'm starting at the bottom"

BUZZZ
Things he said to Wayne Bridge's wife.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: olaftab on October 16, 2018, 08:14:16 PM
Terry - "I'm starting at the bottom". Hmmm; could have phrased that slightly differently!
I am sure he means his position at the club rather than the Club.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Ian. on October 16, 2018, 08:16:10 PM
That’s bloody excellent. These new fellas really do want to be here. All 3 of them can’t hide it from there faces. I have such a good feeling about this. No more false dawns.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Diablo on October 16, 2018, 09:47:36 PM
Terry - "I'm starting at the bottom". Hmmm; could have phrased that slightly differently!
I am sure he means his position at the club rather than the Club.
Yeah I thought that could definitely have been phrased better, especially as he's standing next to and has the same coaching title/position as Richard O'Kelly?! But in context though I think he was talking about Lampard and Gerrard and relating it to them going straight in as managers to big(-ish) clubs rather than a coach or at a club in the lower leagues. 
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: eamonn on October 16, 2018, 11:20:04 PM
O'Kelly came across as someone who had won the lotto, he can barely believe he's here.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: sickbeggar on October 17, 2018, 12:15:10 AM
They all sound enthusiastic and excited to me so what more can you ask for? Beats the cliches spouted by the usual suspects. If they don't make the grade then fine, we get rid, but at least they sound like its an opportunity for them all, rather than a sideways career move.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on October 17, 2018, 01:16:54 AM
O'Kelly came across as someone who had won the lotto, he can barely believe he's here.

Having watched his coaching meeting with Smith to young, upcoming, talented coaches, my only fault in him is he's not 5 years younger. His enthusiasm for the game is everything I want to hear. Add to that his love of the talent available - even just working with 11/13 players. We're in good hands.

Loved how Terry mentioned he'd already been in a situation this morning, first day, where opinions are counted and it got a bit tasty.

Easy to say now but it looks like we have finally found a group of coaches that can maximise the talent we have. I can't wait for Saturday. I'm just so proud that the fans, having suffered so much shit for 18 years, will be there to show we are who we say we are. Amazing support.

Three Wise Men. Onwards and upwards.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: mattjpa on October 17, 2018, 07:42:49 AM
O'Kelly came across as someone who had won the lotto, he can barely believe he's here.

Having watched his coaching meeting with Smith to young, upcoming, talented coaches, my only fault in him is he's not 5 years younger. His enthusiasm for the game is everything I want to hear. Add to that his love of the talent available - even just working with 11/13 players. We're in good hands.

Loved how Terry mentioned he'd already been in a situation this morning, first day, where opinions are counted and it got a bit tasty.

Easy to say now but it looks like we have finally found a group of coaches that can maximise the talent we have. I can't wait for Saturday. I'm just so proud that the fans, having suffered so much shit for 18 years, will be there to show we are who we say we are. Amazing support.

Three Wise Men. Onwards and upwards.

Re the fans, I went to buy tickets in upper trinity a couple of days ago and there were about 50 left in the wings, not the best seats tbh. Went on last night after my mate confirmed he could go and they had released a load more they had offered to former UH season ticket holders but were now in Gen sale. Only about 5/600 but if anyone was thinking of going its worth mentioning. Absolutely fucking outstanding effort though - 41000+ for a mid table clash in the second division against a club from the other end of the UK. Unprecedented.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: kieron on October 17, 2018, 07:51:46 AM
Not quite unprecedented but still very very good.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: clash city rocker on October 17, 2018, 09:00:25 AM
With Dean and his two assistants I think we have assembled a team that will stand no messing around from the players.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Ads on October 17, 2018, 09:06:07 AM
We'll have a bigger attendance Saturday than a side who will likely finish in the top 3, if not win the Premier League, will have all season.

Against Swansea.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: john e on October 17, 2018, 09:40:01 AM
O'Kelly came across as someone who had won the lotto, he can barely believe he's here.

Having watched his coaching meeting with Smith to young, upcoming, talented coaches, my only fault in him is he's not 5 years younger. His enthusiasm for the game is everything I want to hear. Add to that his love of the talent available - even just working with 11/13 players. We're in good hands.

Loved how Terry mentioned he'd already been in a situation this morning, first day, where opinions are counted and it got a bit tasty.

Easy to say now but it looks like we have finally found a group of coaches that can maximise the talent we have. I can't wait for Saturday. I'm just so proud that the fans, having suffered so much shit for 18 years, will be there to show we are who we say we are. Amazing support.

Three Wise Men. Onwards and upwards.

Re the fans, I went to buy tickets in upper trinity a couple of days ago and there were about 50 left in the wings, not the best seats tbh. Went on last night after my mate confirmed he could go and they had released a load more they had offered to former UH season ticket holders but were now in Gen sale. Only about 5/600 but if anyone was thinking of going its worth mentioning. Absolutely fucking outstanding effort though - 41000+ for a mid table clash in the second division against a club from the other end of the UK. Unprecedented.

i saw that
they are good seats as well, bottom part of the upper trinity right in the middle, cracking view

bet those who took the last few up in the wings with the gods before they were released might feel a bit sad
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: UK Redsox on October 17, 2018, 10:04:27 AM
Absolutely fucking outstanding effort though - 41000+ for a mid table clash in the second division against a club from the other end of the UK. Unprecedented.

Swansea's closer to Villa Park than Norwich is to Villa Park
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Drummond on October 17, 2018, 10:24:38 AM
Absolutely fucking outstanding effort though - 41000+ for a mid table clash in the second division against a club from the other end of the UK. Unprecedented.

Swansea's closer to Villa Park than Norwich is to Villa Park

Yeah, but it's in a different country!
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: john e on October 17, 2018, 10:44:16 AM
Absolutely fucking outstanding effort though - 41000+ for a mid table clash in the second division against a club from the other end of the UK. Unprecedented.

Swansea's closer to Villa Park than Norwich is to Villa Park

Yeah, but it's in a different country!

apparently and this might just be an urban myth (i heard it on the telly)
 but in the hospitals in the Norwich areas the nurses have a secret code for their paperwork
 they use it for some patients

NFN - Normal for Norfolk
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Jon Crofts on October 17, 2018, 11:05:23 AM
I’m more of a leg man myself.
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Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Bad English on October 17, 2018, 10:00:21 PM
I’m more of a leg man myself.
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He's starting from the bottom you know!
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: footyskillz on January 29, 2019, 10:50:04 PM
Interview with JT.


"John Terry says he is loving life as one of Aston Villa's assistant coaches – admitting it's opened his eyes to a whole new level of detail."

https://www.avfc.co.uk/News/2019/01/29/john-terry-on-life-as-aston-villa-assistant-coach
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Ad@m on January 29, 2019, 11:13:21 PM
I wish he'd spend a bit more time teaching our defence how to defend.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Steve67 on January 29, 2019, 11:16:27 PM
You can't polish a turd. It needs flushing.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: footyskillz on January 29, 2019, 11:44:52 PM
Yeah sounds bloody naive though in attempting to do coaching.

This learning on the job is proving tricky and it's disappointing the interview didn't directly ask or simply ask about the defence frailties and also a bit more on his role in helping the defence (or individual players)
Would have been good if they asked about the amount of goals being conceded ?!

Really hasn't shown much apart from he's a happy intern
And wonder if he has any idea of input and communication outside of a player mindset.
He's now a coach who is overseeing a disheveled defence.
And is some way accountable for some of the defence mishaps and poor record of conceding.

I certainly can appreciate and recognise some of the merits as having JT involved as a coach , some continuity but his lack of coaching experience seems to be a concern .

As he's a football man hopefully improve and understand requirements and will help the squad in a coaching capacity .
I think would be good to get in some extra help at this time .
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 30, 2019, 02:45:27 AM
I wish he'd spend a bit more time teaching our defence how to defend.

Capello would have failed with Hutton, Elmo and Taylor.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Ad@m on January 30, 2019, 05:43:30 AM
True enough but just some signs that they're improving would be nice.

There's literally zero evidence that any defensive coaching goes on at Bodymoor.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 30, 2019, 06:08:40 AM
Not sure how coaching can make up for a chronic lack of ability, pace and in Chester’s case fitness.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Ads on January 30, 2019, 08:34:15 AM
Elphick looks decent at least.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Richard on January 30, 2019, 08:43:24 AM
Tuanzebe wasn't doing too badly either before his injury !
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: The Edge on January 30, 2019, 10:01:46 AM
I wish he'd spend a bit more time teaching our defence how to defend.
The scale of the mess Bruce left behind should be remembered when commenting on our current coaching staff. It's required a total rebuild of our defence which will take time but it is happening. We've got to stick by them and show a bit of patience. Something us Villa fans are not known for unfortunately.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: brontebilly on January 30, 2019, 10:13:04 AM
Tuanzebe wasn't doing too badly either before his injury !

He couldn't head the ball nor had any positional sense. Very tidy player on the ball which helped us in midfield alright with him stepping up.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: robbo1874 on January 30, 2019, 12:21:03 PM
Be nice to know quite what Terry is doing to earn his money at the club. Anyone?

I haven’t seen many matches this season, but sounds like we are struggling at the back. That’s terry’s domain?

Earn your fkn salary John
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Drummond on January 30, 2019, 12:31:47 PM
Be nice to know quite what Terry is doing to earn his money at the club. Anyone?

I haven’t seen many matches this season, but sounds like we are struggling at the back. That’s terry’s domain?

Earn your fkn salary John

I'm not sure anyone could coach that lot to be as good as we need.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Pete3206 on January 30, 2019, 12:35:19 PM
The current state of the Villa's defensive woes is down to Steve Bruce's fuckwittery and Axel's injury
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Lastfootstamper on January 30, 2019, 12:39:22 PM
Why assume it's his job? He's only months into his first coaching job. I'd be a little taken aback in that circumstance that he's been employed as a purely defensive coach.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on January 30, 2019, 12:50:31 PM


To my knowledge it's never been suggested even once by the club that he's employed as a defensive coach
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: passport1 on January 30, 2019, 01:20:33 PM
Be nice to know quite what Terry is doing to earn his money at the club. Anyone?

I haven’t seen many matches this season, but sounds like we are struggling at the back. That’s terry’s domain?

Earn your fkn salary John

Cones and bibs I reckon.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: achilles on January 30, 2019, 02:27:39 PM


To my knowledge it's never been suggested even once by the club that he's employed as a defensive coach

I believe that is his remit which obviously isn't going too well!
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: The Edge on January 30, 2019, 02:33:37 PM


To my knowledge it's never been suggested even once by the club that he's employed as a defensive coach

I believe that is his remit which obviously isn't going too well!
Where did you see that? I know of no such remit but maybe i missed something. I think it's more of an assumption from some fans.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Risso on January 30, 2019, 03:10:37 PM
It's purely assumption.  He's one of the two Assistant Coaches under Head Coach, Dean Smith.  Obviously it's not unrealistic to hope that he'd have a bit more of a say in the defensive side of things, purely from his very recent first hand experience, but there's no hard evidence of this, and even if he is, it certainly isn't working!
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 30, 2019, 09:29:16 PM
Why is this such a big deal? He’s part of the staff, he’s learning the trade and his attitude has been excellent.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: JD on January 31, 2019, 08:12:03 AM
Why is this such a big deal? He’s part of the staff, he’s learning the trade and his attitude has been excellent.

Totally agree Toronto.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: achilles on January 31, 2019, 01:40:24 PM


To my knowledge it's never been suggested even once by the club that he's employed as a defensive coach

I believe that is his remit which obviously isn't going too well!
Where did you see that? I know of no such remit but maybe i missed something. I think it's more of an assumption from some fans.

You won't see it anywhere, you haven't missed anything and it isn't an assumption!
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: footyskillz on January 31, 2019, 01:50:11 PM
Why is this such a big deal? He’s part of the staff, he’s learning the trade and his attitude has been excellent.

Totally agree Toronto.

Purely because the defence and defending has been poor to average
And that JT has a lot of playing experience as defender and may be struggling to communicate and transition this in his coaching role.

So for me it's a concern.
It's ok for people not to agree on here or have varying opinions or see things as a big deal if they choose to especially with reasoned opinion.

That's my reasoning as to why it's a big deal coupled with his attitude in the interview.
Attitude being that I saw some naivety in what he was saying about understanding his coaching role.

Can't fault his enthusiasm but many people here , in UK and around the world would be all acknowledgement JT influence "oh he's so good at coaching"  if we were keeping clean sheets game after game.

So it's really really fair and reasonable to say his 'influence ' is where exactly?!

I not saying you can't think it's a big deal however I am suggesting you to consider that there would be a big deal made if villa were keeping goals conceded to a minimum. And JT would be readily acknowledged so conversely should be readily questioned as villa aren't showing a great defensive showing


So it's that really.

Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: The Edge on January 31, 2019, 01:58:20 PM


To my knowledge it's never been suggested even once by the club that he's employed as a defensive coach

I believe that is his remit which obviously isn't going too well!
Where did you see that? I know of no such remit but maybe i missed something. I think it's more of an assumption from some fans.

You won't see it anywhere, you haven't missed anything and it isn't an assumption!
So it's not an assumption by the fans? It is his remit? How do you know this?
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: achilles on January 31, 2019, 04:12:55 PM


To my knowledge it's never been suggested even once by the club that he's employed as a defensive coach

I believe that is his remit which obviously isn't going too well!
Where did you see that? I know of no such remit but maybe i missed something. I think it's more of an assumption from some fans.

You won't see it anywhere, you haven't missed anything and it isn't an assumption!
So it's not an assumption by the fans? It is his remit? How do you know this?

You know full well I won't answer that, believe it or not it really doesn't bother me one little bit, serves me right for posting it in the first place, lesson learnt!
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: footyskillz on January 31, 2019, 04:50:37 PM
One can make an assumption that people be queued up on here lavishing JT if villa were making clean sheets.

If villa displayed and we're showing some
defensive improvement rather than what's currently on offer then JT would be being acknowledged as some sort of master defence coach !

Let's be fair
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: The Edge on January 31, 2019, 05:02:51 PM


To my knowledge it's never been suggested even once by the club that he's employed as a defensive coach

I believe that is his remit which obviously isn't going too well!
Where did you see that? I know of no such remit but maybe i missed something. I think it's more of an assumption from some fans.

You won't see it anywhere, you haven't missed anything and it isn't an assumption!
So it's not an assumption by the fans? It is his remit? How do you know this?

You know full well I won't answer that, believe it or not it really doesn't bother me one little bit, serves me right for posting it in the first place, lesson learnt!
I really wasn't trying to bait you. You said that you believe it was his remit and i asked how you knew. Thought you might know something i didn't. Sorry if you think i'm having a pop at you.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Diablo on January 31, 2019, 06:01:22 PM
One can make an assumption that people be queued up on here lavishing JT if villa were making clean sheets.

If villa displayed and we're showing some
defensive improvement rather than what's currently on offer then JT would be being acknowledged as some sort of master defence coach !

Let's be fair
It's shocking that only bottom club Ipswich (50) and Rotherham (48) have conceded more goals than us (46).
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: footyskillz on January 31, 2019, 06:06:35 PM
Thank you perspective and facts !

He should be accountable to some extent if only for passing on know how , positioning and basic defending.

JT was a great player , exceptional defender.
For me jury out on his coaching ability whatever role he's doing be it defensive or other
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on January 31, 2019, 07:27:30 PM
As said elsewhere on H & V a little over 4 years ago.
It's time we organised this properly.

Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Steve67 on January 31, 2019, 07:50:30 PM
I think people forget that Smith was also a centre back.  Trying to coach a bunch of people who lack concentration and real quality is difficult.  Trying to coach them to stop making stupid individual mistakes is even harder.  If I was a manager and leaving, would I want to take Hutton, Taylor or Elmo with me?  No. I would not.  Let them runs their contracts down and say bye bye.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Tuscans on April 28, 2019, 05:43:04 PM
Who else has seen the vid of JT..."That's fair....that's fair...fuck off mate, Shush....Shush, you fat shit"...to Biesla having a paddy.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Tuscans on April 28, 2019, 05:57:20 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/BvPd2F0FAgs/
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Legion on April 28, 2019, 05:57:28 PM
It's on our FB Page. Also in the Sky Sports video section.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Tuscans on April 28, 2019, 06:03:39 PM
It's on our FB Page. Also in the Sky Sports video section.
Sorry Sir.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Steve67 on April 28, 2019, 06:40:30 PM
Love you JT.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Legion on April 28, 2019, 09:11:33 PM
It's on our FB Page. Also in the Sky Sports video section.
Sorry Sir.

Eh? Just trying to show you where it is: https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/11706079/leeds-allow-villa-to-equalise
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Tuscans on April 28, 2019, 10:49:58 PM
It's on our FB Page. Also in the Sky Sports video section.
Sorry Sir.

Eh? Just trying to show you where it is: https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/11706079/leeds-allow-villa-to-equalise
Felt like you gave me a caning.

Nah, I saw it on fb before I posted, just wondered if anyone else had a laugh at it.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 29, 2019, 01:54:50 AM
Who else has seen the vid of JT..."That's fair....that's fair...fuck off mate, Shush....Shush, you fat shit"...to Biesla having a paddy.

I'm ashamed to say that I had positive thoughts towards the man when I saw it.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: ktvillan on April 29, 2019, 09:14:02 AM
The "that's fair, That's fair" was aimed at Bielsa, the rest seemed to be aimed at one of his assistants who had come up giving JT the "yadda yadda yadda you talk too much" sign.  Which is fair enough as he did look like a fat shit. 
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Damo70 on April 29, 2019, 09:46:02 AM
It's on our FB Page. Also in the Sky Sports video section.
Sorry Sir.

Eh? Just trying to show you where it is: https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/11706079/leeds-allow-villa-to-equalise


I'm glad I watched that video this morning. I had a feeling I just dreamed or imagined everything that happened yesterday.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 22, 2019, 05:29:23 PM
Some speculation that our John Terry is being considered for the Smogboro job now that they've gone and binned T.Penis.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Ad@m on May 22, 2019, 06:39:04 PM
Why on earth would he ditch a Premier League job working with and learning from Deano to go and live and work in that shithole?!
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Legion on May 22, 2019, 06:43:33 PM
Why on earth would he ditch a Premier League job working with and learning from Deano to go and live and work in that shithole?!

A tad presumptuous!
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Mister E on May 22, 2019, 06:49:13 PM

Why on earth would he ditch a Premier League job working with and learning from Deano to go and live and work in that shithole?!
- money
- ego
- we don't know his working relationship with Deano.

Given that Lampard has done a pretty good job at Derby this season, I guess this is no great suurprise; to see another Championship team seeing Terry as a potential manager. The way it goes.

I'd add that we would miss his premier league experience given he's the only one with any in our current coaching team.


But, as Leeg says, we're have a hurdle to jump first.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 22, 2019, 06:53:37 PM
Indeed, a big hurdle where we have stumbled before.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 22, 2019, 06:54:30 PM
The vast majority of people would be tempted to leave an assistant manager role to have a go at being manager somewhere, especially somewhere with realistic ambitions of playing in the top flight.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Richard on May 22, 2019, 06:54:42 PM
Crock of shit article claims he's currently in talks with Boro - yeah right the week before a big final ??
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 22, 2019, 07:06:02 PM
The vast majority of people would be tempted to leave an assistant manager role to have a go at being manager somewhere, especially somewhere with realistic ambitions of playing in the top flight.

Some join clubs like sha as well.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: danno on May 22, 2019, 07:22:13 PM
Steve Gibson is an autograph hunter.

Terry would be what? the third ex player he's given a first managerial role?  Apart from McLaren, giving the Middlesbrough job to blokes who've never managed before hasn't gone well for him.

Surprised he hasn't offered it Ravanelli yet.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Clampy on May 22, 2019, 07:27:38 PM
Villa and Derby are in a play off final in a few days. Two ex-Chelsea men from each club get linked with jobs for next season. Just sounds like more lazy journalism to me.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Ad@m on May 22, 2019, 08:00:25 PM
The vast majority of people would be tempted to leave an assistant manager role to have a go at being manager somewhere, especially somewhere with realistic ambitions of playing in the top flight.

I'd be tempted to agree with you if we weren't talking about the sort of town where the locals throw rocks at the moon!
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Steve67 on May 22, 2019, 08:32:42 PM
Villa and Derby are in a play off final in a few days. Two ex-Chelsea men from each club get linked with jobs for next season. Just sounds like more lazy journalism to me.

I agree totally.  We've had Abraham sold, issues with ffp and Mings mentioned in the last few days. All clickbait shit sensationalism.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 22, 2019, 08:38:24 PM
Something tells me that we'd cope without him.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Steve67 on May 22, 2019, 08:44:28 PM
Something tells me that we'd cope without him.

Yeah, probably, but we could do without the distraction.  Although, if not true, I guess they are pissing themselves in training.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 22, 2019, 11:15:57 PM
Something tells me that we'd cope without him.

Yeah, probably, but we could do without the distraction.  Although, if not true, I guess they are pissing themselves in training.

Indeed.

To be fair, the Middlesbrough manager job has more kudos and is a better opportunity than assistant coach at Villa, regardless of the league each team plays in. I'd imagine that he's the highest-paid assistant in the Championship, and I'd imagine that he doesn't deserve to be.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on May 22, 2019, 11:21:24 PM
Meh, if he left then I would trust the current regime to get a decent coach in to replace him.

I liked him as a player last season, and so far he seems a good egg on the coaching staff. But if he gets an opportunity I wont be upset at him taking it.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 22, 2019, 11:42:07 PM
So you’re not attributing any of our defensive improvements to his knowledge and ability? Just a good egg?
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: adrenachrome on May 22, 2019, 11:45:11 PM
I seem to recall that he turned down the chance of a managerial appointment to stay here as a coach to get more experience. If he is in frame for the Boro job, then he would have to consider it.

Whether it is true or not, he has had a great stint here i my view, and I was one of the serious doubters.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 22, 2019, 11:58:39 PM
I agree. He was superb as a player. He’s shown a willingness to learn under Dean Smith. He’s been respectful to the club and fans. And I have no doubt over the course of the season and naturally aided by better players he’s helped us get better. Given how well Frank Lampard has done he might be tempted elsewhere. And if he is having spent two years with us and helping to get us promoted then good luck to him.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: KRS on May 23, 2019, 01:56:25 AM
I’d be very surprised if he’d want to jump into management after just one season with us as an assistant. He strikes me as someone who wants to learn more and only make the step up once he’s ready, and expect him to work with Dean for at least another season.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 23, 2019, 05:35:23 AM
So you’re not attributing any of our defensive improvements to his knowledge and ability? Just a good egg?

I think he's a dreadful egg, and our defensive improvement is down to Mings.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: sid1964 on May 23, 2019, 06:31:45 AM
i would also be surprised if he moved into management, I mean who else would we get too hand out the bibs and place the cones -  The sooner that racist leaves my club the better it will be!  and he can take his pencil case,  crayons and felt tips, colouring book with him and I will not give him another thought.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: in exile on May 23, 2019, 07:40:03 AM
i would also be surprised if he moved into management, I mean who else would we get too hand out the bibs and place the cones -  The sooner that racist leaves my club the better it will be!  and he can take his pencil case,  crayons and felt tips, colouring book with him and I will not give him another thought.

You really are a little ray of sunshine
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: sid1964 on May 23, 2019, 07:53:37 AM
Thank you for your kind words, you obviously know me too well!
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Kimaster1976 on May 23, 2019, 08:00:30 AM
Terry is a born winner, someone id much rather have on my side than against, he might have made some mistakes but who hasnt. His love for Villa is there to be clearly seen and hes learning his trade when it would have been so easy to jump into a job like Gerrard did where runners up is the lowest you're ever going to finish.

Plus when he does decide the time is right to jump to manager wait for anything but Middlesbrough as its is a dog hole, surely somewhere more appealing will present itself.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: eamonn on May 23, 2019, 08:30:26 AM
Please don't disrupt our preparations on the eve of your biggest game to date as a coach, John. No secret trips to a mystery lover in Middlesbrough. It was named as the pregnancy capital of the UK yesterday. It's not a good reason to go!
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: mr underhill on May 23, 2019, 09:26:06 AM
John Terry has been brilliant for Aston Villa full stop.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: fredm on May 23, 2019, 10:23:36 AM
Another item with the result on Monday falling upon it.  A victory and I think JT will stay for at least next season to see how Dean does things in the PL.  Defeat and he may well decide to look at doing the No.1 job himself somewhere.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on May 23, 2019, 12:33:03 PM
So you’re not attributing any of our defensive improvements to his knowledge and ability? Just a good egg?

No not really. Mainly because the defence looked shit until Mings came in, so I am going to attribute the improvement mainly due to having better players available. Not that I am dismissive of his coaching, or dislike him. I just don't think losing an inexperienced coach that will be replaced by someone as good (if not better) is a big deal.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 23, 2019, 01:33:45 PM
So you’re not attributing any of our defensive improvements to his knowledge and ability? Just a good egg?

No not really. Mainly because the defence looked shit until Mings came in, so I am going to attribute the improvement mainly due to having better players available. Not that I am dismissive of his coaching, or dislike him. I just don't think losing an inexperienced coach that will be replaced by someone as good (if not better) is a big deal.

So by extension surely that makes Dean Smith every bit as bad or as lucky when players came in. Because pre Mings the defence looked terrible. And while Jack was out the team looked quite dreadful. So should we get a more experienced manager if we go up vs one who has only ever managed outside the PL say a lower level?
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Damo70 on May 23, 2019, 01:51:12 PM
i would also be surprised if he moved into management, I mean who else would we get too hand out the bibs and place the cones -  The sooner that racist leaves my club the better it will be!  and he can take his pencil case,  crayons and felt tips, colouring book with him and I will not give him another thought.

My first contact with John Terry was when he visited Acorns the Christmas before last. Despite a rather unpleasant Villa PR woman desperately trying to get the whole visit over and done with as quickly as possible, John Terry insisted on speaking to every single child and their family. He came across very well. More recently when he is staying in the Midlands he has based himself at the establishment my seventeen year old son now works at as a trainee chef and he has been very nice to my son and taken an interest in his career development. My son thinks he is a great bloke and based on my one off meeting with him I agree. I am however under strict instructions from my son not to reveal where he is based.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Chris Smith on May 23, 2019, 03:13:26 PM
John Terry has been brilliant for Aston Villa full stop.

He has and I think it shows a man who has matured and learnt from his mistakes and for that he deserves credit.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on May 23, 2019, 04:00:06 PM
Following Damo’s post, I heard something similar when doing a VP tour (from Mick Dale). He said that Terry was staying last season in a large complex near Bodymoor that we can probably all guess. Every morning Terry would buy a coffee on his way out to training and would chat to the young lad (late teens) at the coffee bar, as he was a Villa fan.
Then one home game, Terry’s personal executive box at VP was not going to be used so he let the young lad from the hotel have it, so he could bring his mates, family etc.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on May 23, 2019, 04:31:48 PM
So by extension surely that makes Dean Smith every bit as bad or as lucky when players came in. Because pre Mings the defence looked terrible. And while Jack was out the team looked quite dreadful. So should we get a more experienced manager if we go up vs one who has only ever managed outside the PL say a lower level?

We were indeed worryingly shit without Grealish, so yes I do attribute our upturn mainly to him coming back and having better players in defence. The difference is that as head coach Smith must have had something to do with the players that came in.

Also I do not think that experience at PL level is any advantage regards being able to coach or manage over experience in the Championship. Plenty of good coaches come from German, Dutch, French leagues which are only about Champioship level (minus 1-2 teams).
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Villafirst on May 23, 2019, 06:41:02 PM
We weren't worryingly shit without Jack against Bristol City. In fact, I'd say that was our best performance out of the 10 match winning streak. Their keeper produced an amazing display plus we missed several chances - it could have been 8-1!
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: KevinGage on May 23, 2019, 09:56:09 PM
i would also be surprised if he moved into management, I mean who else would we get too hand out the bibs and place the cones -  The sooner that racist leaves my club the better it will be!  and he can take his pencil case,  crayons and felt tips, colouring book with him and I will not give him another thought.

My first contact with John Terry was when he visited Acorns the Christmas before last. Despite a rather unpleasant Villa PR woman desperately trying to get the whole visit over and done with as quickly as possible, John Terry insisted on speaking to every single child and their family. He came across very well. More recently when he is staying in the Midlands he has based himself at the establishment my seventeen year old son now works at as a trainee chef and he has been very nice to my son and taken an interest in his career development. My son thinks he is a great bloke and based on my one off meeting with him I agree. I am however under strict instructions from my son not to reveal where he is based.

It's the Rollason Wood hotel in Erdington.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: darren woolley on May 24, 2019, 10:21:00 AM
On a personal note I really want to keep JT especially if we go up can you imagine back in the Premier League we could attract a better class of player because most top players would love to work with John Terry and he would be better serving a season coaching in the Premier League playing in it is one thing getting the experience coaching in it would be better for him than taking the Boro job and having another season in the Championship.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 24, 2019, 12:39:21 PM
On a personal note I really want to keep JT especially if we go up can you imagine back in the Premier League we could attract a better class of player because most top players would love to work with John Terry and he would be better serving a season coaching in the Premier League playing in it is one thing getting the experience coaching in it would be better for him than taking the Boro job and having another season in the Championship.

Surely other players think he's a ****** as much as other fans do?
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 24, 2019, 02:51:02 PM
i would also be surprised if he moved into management, I mean who else would we get too hand out the bibs and place the cones -  The sooner that racist leaves my club the better it will be!  and he can take his pencil case,  crayons and felt tips, colouring book with him and I will not give him another thought.

My first contact with John Terry was when he visited Acorns the Christmas before last. Despite a rather unpleasant Villa PR woman desperately trying to get the whole visit over and done with as quickly as possible, John Terry insisted on speaking to every single child and their family. He came across very well. More recently when he is staying in the Midlands he has based himself at the establishment my seventeen year old son now works at as a trainee chef and he has been very nice to my son and taken an interest in his career development. My son thinks he is a great bloke and based on my one off meeting with him I agree. I am however under strict instructions from my son not to reveal where he is based.

It's the Rollason Wood hotel in Erdington.

He's been staying there since he got kicked out of the Clover Spa and Hotel at the Yenton.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: clash city rocker on May 24, 2019, 06:28:03 PM
On a personal note I really want to keep JT especially if we go up can you imagine back in the Premier League we could attract a better class of player because most top players would love to work with John Terry and he would be better serving a season coaching in the Premier League playing in it is one thing getting the experience coaching in it would be better for him than taking the Boro job and having another season in the Championship.

Surely other players think he's a c*** as much as other fans do?

The players are probably more concerned about him improving themselves  more than anything else. Improve the players improve the team. If everyone in life who had made a mistake had been put to the sword we wouldn't have to worry about global warming anymore.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: ChicagoLion on May 25, 2019, 09:17:52 AM
On a personal note I really want to keep JT especially if we go up can you imagine back in the Premier League we could attract a better class of player because most top players would love to work with John Terry and he would be better serving a season coaching in the Premier League playing in it is one thing getting the experience coaching in it would be better for him than taking the Boro job and having another season in the Championship.

Surely other players think he's a c*** as much as other fans do?
Not Tyrone Ming’s.

Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: CT on May 25, 2019, 11:33:36 AM
On a personal note I really want to keep JT especially if we go up can you imagine back in the Premier League we could attract a better class of player because most top players would love to work with John Terry and he would be better serving a season coaching in the Premier League playing in it is one thing getting the experience coaching in it would be better for him than taking the Boro job and having another season in the Championship.

Surely other players think he's a c*** as much as other fans do?
Not Tyrone Ming’s.



Exactly. Sited as one of the reasons why he came here. Wants to continue working with him too (Just win on Monday, that can be arranged).
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: JJ-AV on May 26, 2019, 11:04:28 AM
It’ll be a shame if he goes but it wouldn’t be a disaster. He has been great for the club while he’s been here though. Could see Jedinak joining the coaching staff though.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on May 26, 2019, 11:37:04 AM
Or Petrov could get a bit of experience :)
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 19, 2019, 03:46:56 PM
Signed a new contract, through to 2021.

https://www.avfc.co.uk/News/2019/06/19/john-terry-signs-new-contract
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: AsTallAsLions on June 19, 2019, 03:55:20 PM
Signed a new contract, through to 2021.

https://www.avfc.co.uk/News/2019/06/19/john-terry-signs-new-contract

Good.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Tuscans on June 19, 2019, 03:55:29 PM
Top man
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 19, 2019, 03:58:11 PM
#prayforChrisJameson
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Risso on June 19, 2019, 04:00:41 PM
Goof for him.  I'm guessing he's been offered all manner of management jobs. so it's refreshing to see somebody who apparently is happy to learn his trade.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: ajmant on June 19, 2019, 04:11:47 PM
Consistent good news. All very professional. Contract sorted, release news, next. Keep it up Villa.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: AsTallAsLions on June 19, 2019, 04:14:48 PM
#prayforChrisJameson

Nahhhh
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: chrisw1 on June 19, 2019, 04:15:04 PM
I'm really impressed with Terry.  He could probably have got a decent managers job elsewhere but clearly enjoys the club and wants to continue learning the right way.  Smith also clearly rates him if we are extending his contract, so excellent news all round.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 19, 2019, 04:16:26 PM
Good stuff.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 19, 2019, 04:42:23 PM
Yep, more good news. Glad he's staying with us, can only be a good thing when trying to recruit new defenders, them knowing they'll be working daily with someone of his experience in the game.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: rob_bridge on June 19, 2019, 04:43:18 PM
Good news.

Time for cliché but I really think Terry gets Villa. Too many managers, coaches and hangers on haven't over the last decade and longer
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on June 19, 2019, 04:53:54 PM
There’s a reasonable chance that he will succeed someone as our Head Coach when the time is right so it makes sense for him to stay.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: OCD on June 19, 2019, 05:59:58 PM
There’s a reasonable chance that he will succeed someone as our Head Coach when the time is right so it makes sense for him to stay.

Then if he did a good job Chelsea would be sniffing around. Better to let him do a year there at some point and pick him up after that.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: West Derby Villan on June 19, 2019, 06:33:31 PM
Good news, Mings likes him......
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Legion on June 19, 2019, 06:34:50 PM
Good news, Mings likes him......

Great news, Chris doesn't though...
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: PeterWithe on June 19, 2019, 06:57:10 PM
Good news.

It’s going to be nauseous when he goes back to Chelsea for the first time mind.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Legion on June 19, 2019, 06:58:38 PM
Houllier at Anfield has just sprung to mind. I liked him.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Jon Crofts on June 19, 2019, 07:18:14 PM
Good news.

It’s going to be nauseous when he goes back to Chelsea for the first time mind.

Urghhh. Can you imagine the fawning London press? Sky Sports will explode, half and half scarves with JT and Fat Fwank shaking hands on them, Bob Hoskins face with a speech bubble saying ‘ands across the ocean’.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 19, 2019, 07:21:15 PM
When the press get all syrupy over “JT” and his return to Chelsea, as vomit inducing as it will be, I will happily remind myself that it is only happening because we are once again a PL club.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 19, 2019, 07:23:01 PM
Good news.

It’s going to be nauseous when he goes back to Chelsea for the first time mind.

Urghhh. Can you imagine the fawning London press? Sky Sports will explode, half and half scarves with JT and Fat Fwank shaking hands on them, Bob Hoskins face with a speech bubble saying ‘ands across the ocean’.

That game's on Amazon, not Sky. Not that I disagree with the sentiment.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: chrisw1 on June 19, 2019, 07:45:49 PM
When the press get all syrupy over “JT” and his return to Chelsea, as vomit inducing as it will be, I will happily remind myself that it is only happening because we are once again a PL club.
And over a couple of seasons Terry played a big part in that achievement.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 19, 2019, 07:49:49 PM
VBLJT!
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 19, 2019, 08:26:32 PM
John Terry will be professional about things like he has been pretty much from signing for us. That's the thing I most respect. I was expecting all sorts of scandal and distractions as has happened with him for much of his career but last two years he's kept his head down and just got on quietly with things on the pitch and now off it.

I'd say the reception won't be as distracting as if he'd gone back to Stamford Bridge as a player, plenty go back to clubs where they were legends and the game continues, Frank Lampard for one when he had that season at Man. City and played at Chelsea.

Hopefully we'll do a bit better than 8-0 so it doesn't become one big s***storm story if he goes over to applaud their fans at the end of the game.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: darren woolley on June 20, 2019, 11:08:03 AM
I'm really pleased JT as extended his contract it sends out a message we are back and we intend on moving in a upward trajection we don't want any staff members picked off for other clubs to benefit from we are all in this together.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: eddiemunster on June 20, 2019, 11:08:58 AM
I'm really pleased JT as extended his contract it sends out a message we are back and we intend on moving in a upward trajection we don't want any staff members picked off for other clubs to benefit from we are all in this together.

This!!!
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Sexual Ealing on December 15, 2019, 02:06:29 AM
I haven't watched this, but he's sporting quite the boyfriend's revenge on his left peeper.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Mossie Hennebry on December 15, 2019, 02:26:48 AM
I haven't watched this, but he's sporting quite the boyfriend's revenge on his left peeper.

I got to a little under 3 minutes and lost the will to carry on. Fucking. Boring.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Mister E on December 15, 2019, 09:04:46 AM
I wonder what he actually does at the club. I'm not seeing any signs that our defence is getting better from coaching.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Jon Crofts on December 15, 2019, 02:35:09 PM
I wonder what he actually does at the club. I'm not seeing any signs that our defence is getting better from coaching.

He seems to do naff all from the dugout as well, stay up or be relegated, he'll be off in May.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on December 15, 2019, 02:39:44 PM
It wouldn’t surprise me in the least if he was offered the Managers job if Dean left.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Legion on December 15, 2019, 02:41:38 PM
The Dean that has just had a 4 year contract extension?
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on December 15, 2019, 02:55:55 PM
Which means nothing in this day and age as I’m sure you are aware.  I didn’t say he should be going just that if he did.  It’s why I suspect Terry has hung around.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Jon Crofts on December 15, 2019, 02:59:22 PM
The Dean that has just had a 4 year contract extension?

Which was most likely a contractual obligation written in by the owners who didn't plan on us being in the PL just yet and was to be his reward when we were promoted.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: olaftab on December 15, 2019, 03:07:44 PM
I wonder what he actually does at the club. I'm not seeing any signs that our defence is getting better from coaching.

He seems to do naff all from the dugout as well, stay up or be relegated, he'll be off in May.
I have heard he is a very good skier.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Demitri_C on January 21, 2020, 10:37:34 PM
Watching terry going crazy with smith at the end was fecking brilliant
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: achilles on February 02, 2020, 08:53:23 PM
Well if JT does actually coach the defence, then he is an utter failure as nothing has changed at all, we are still as inept as ever!
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 02, 2020, 09:04:52 PM
Maybe. But what if the manager has asked him to focus on certain areas? What if the midfield can’t keep a hold of the ball or if they keep giving it away and thus putting extra pressure on the defence. What if one of the manager tactics like yesterday was to have Hause launch long cross field passes to nobody thus conceding possession? What if earlier in the season our CF couldn’t hold the ball when it was lumped up to him and it came back immediately. There’s lots of reasons why a defence doesn’t perform. Not saying he’s not accountable but why would it be exclusively a failure on the part of one of the assistant coaches?
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: SheffieldVillain on February 02, 2020, 09:12:32 PM
Maybe. But what if the manager has asked him to focus on certain areas? What if the midfield can’t keep a hold of the ball or if they keep giving it away and thus putting extra pressure on the defence. What if one of the manager tactics like yesterday was to have Hause launch long cross field passes to nobody thus conceding possession? What if earlier in the season our CF couldn’t hold the ball when it was lumped up to him and it came back immediately. There’s lots of reasons why a defence doesn’t perform. Not saying he’s not accountable but why would it be exclusively a failure on the part of one of the assistant coaches?


A lot of what ifs in there.

Not saying Terry is exclusively accountable but I would like to know what he brings to the table. O'Kelly is known for being a technical coach and taking the strikers. What about JT? To me we're a bit light on numbers in the coaching team compared with other teams and could maybe do with a specialist addition come the summer. Liverpool have even got a specialist throw-in coach!
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 02, 2020, 09:36:45 PM
I don’t think it is the defense, it’s what is in front of them.
Not sure how you coach Hause to stop kicking it to the opposition, that is a lack of ability.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Demitri_C on February 02, 2020, 10:31:33 PM
Its not sorely terry its all the coaching staff
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 02, 2020, 10:55:21 PM
Its not sorely terry its all the coaching staff


Thanks for clearing that up.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: hilts_coolerking on March 10, 2020, 04:32:53 PM
I don’t think it is the defense, it’s what is in front of them.
Not sure how you coach Hause to stop kicking it to the opposition, that is a lack of ability.
It's a factor, sure, but it doesn't explain how disorganised we are at set pieces.  That's purely down to coaching.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on March 10, 2020, 04:38:19 PM
I'm just waiting for him to jump ship and claim "nothing to do with me".
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: TopDeck113 on March 10, 2020, 04:42:08 PM
I could imagine that JT reckoned on a few years as assistant coach, get round to completing his badges, keeping his handicap down whilst staying at the Belfry and wait for the inevitable call from Abramovich.  Then Frank got stuck in at Derby and has probably now stopped the rotating door of the Chrslsea manager's office rotating for a while.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: CT on March 10, 2020, 05:44:26 PM
You'd think he'd be continuously passing on his wealth of knowledge from top level football. Top level, thophy winning football.

Our lot make it look like we've got Paul Elliot as the assistant manager.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Damo70 on March 10, 2020, 05:54:53 PM
It is always difficult to judge how good or bad an assistant manager/coach is. If the team are doing well everyone automatically accepts they must be good, if the team are doing badly they eventually get questioned when in reality we never really know one way or the other how good or bad they are and how much say or influence they do or don't have.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: colin69 on March 10, 2020, 09:32:47 PM
It is always difficult to judge how good or bad an assistant manager/coach is. If the team are doing well everyone automatically accepts they must be good, if the team are doing badly they eventually get questioned when in reality we never really know one way or the other how good or bad they are and how much say or influence they do or don't have.

Totally agree.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: brian green on March 10, 2020, 09:49:53 PM
I have never had so much difficulty working out where the fault lies for our serial inability to avoid decline.  The manager is erratic and stubborn, the coaching staff are not able to rectify elementary shortcomings but through it all shines the incompetence of player acquisition.  We have bought too many bad players.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Drummond on March 11, 2020, 10:29:15 AM
I have never had so much difficulty working out where the fault lies for our serial inability to avoid decline.  The manager is erratic and stubborn, the coaching staff are not able to rectify elementary shortcomings but through it all shines the incompetence of player acquisition.  We have bought too many bad players.

I think in many cases we haven't bought bad players per-se, but players who don't blend as a successful squad/team. We've done it before with Gueye, Veretout etc and appear to be doing it again.

These players would do far better growing as part of a more stable/successful team, not being relied on.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 11, 2020, 10:42:26 AM
The whole what does John Terry do is a red herring. If your boss wants to play a certain way and it leaves the entire defence exposed because the midfield is 1) shit and 2) plays some open football that only gives the ball away constantly, then you can Baresi and Maldini back there and it would be the same. They are constantly going to be under pressure and make mental and physical errors. I’m not saying he might not have done a better job, but the way we play or try to starts with and ends with the manager. I bet if he was part of Chris Wilders staff they would look much the same as they do now.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 11, 2020, 12:01:10 PM
The whole what does John Terry do is a red herring. If your boss wants to play a certain way and it leaves the entire defence exposed because the midfield is 1) shit and 2) plays some open football that only gives the ball away constantly, then you can Baresi and Maldini back there and it would be the same. They are constantly going to be under pressure and make mental and physical errors. I’m not saying he might not have done a better job, but the way we play or try to starts with and ends with the manager. I bet if he was part of Chris Wilders staff they would look much the same as they do now.
Exactly, it’s been the same all season. The midfield has been the problem all season.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Mister E on March 11, 2020, 02:11:20 PM
The whole what does John Terry do is a red herring. If your boss wants to play a certain way and it leaves the entire defence exposed because the midfield is 1) shit and 2) plays some open football that only gives the ball away constantly, then you can Baresi and Maldini back there and it would be the same. They are constantly going to be under pressure and make mental and physical errors. I’m not saying he might not have done a better job, but the way we play or try to starts with and ends with the manager. I bet if he was part of Chris Wilders staff they would look much the same as they do now.
Exactly, it’s been the same all season. The midfield has been the problem all season.
I read TV's comment as more a reflection on Smith than on the MF situation (both of which ae valid).
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Jon Crofts on March 11, 2020, 04:12:57 PM
No clean sheets here either.
(https://i.ibb.co/k21stbv/53706964-4-AA2-4701-A759-FC363-B780146.jpg) (https://ibb.co/k21stbv)
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 12, 2020, 12:16:44 AM
Still learning.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Mister E on March 12, 2020, 01:59:48 PM
Still learning.
Is he?
Where's the evidence?
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Jon Crofts on March 12, 2020, 02:00:53 PM
Still learning.
Is he?
Where's the evidence?

Well he's certainly learning what not to do.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: SaddVillan on July 08, 2020, 09:42:50 PM
Interested in the Bristol City vacancy.

Last year in Div 2, we only had the 11th best defence and shipped 20 more goals than Sheff Utd.

So far this season, we've already let in 62.
And case you're asking Sheff United have conceded 33.

Would he be missed?
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Risso on July 08, 2020, 10:00:00 PM
No.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 08, 2020, 10:08:41 PM
I'd carry him there on my back.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: eamonn on July 08, 2020, 10:10:33 PM
Think you'd end-up switching to the electric bike.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 08, 2020, 10:11:27 PM
Think you'd end-up switching to the electric bike.

That's one that sounds the most like a Suede lyric!
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 08, 2020, 10:17:53 PM
How do we know he's shit?
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 08, 2020, 10:24:48 PM
How do we know he's shit?

It's mainly the stench of racism for me.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 08, 2020, 10:27:36 PM
How do we know he's shit?

It's mainly the stench of racism for me.
Is that his new fragrance: Racism by Terry.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: KevinGage on July 08, 2020, 10:52:07 PM
Interested in the Bristol City vacancy.

Last year in Div 2, we only had the 11th best defence and shipped 20 more goals than Sheff Utd.

So far this season, we've already let in 62.
And case you're asking Sheff United have conceded 33.

Would he be missed?

That assumes that (a) he's the defensive coach and (b) Smith listens to him anyway.

For all we know his brief might just be to act as a conduit between Smith and the players. Or put out the bibs and cones.  Smith seems to place more stock in the opinion of O'Kelly.

It's interesting that first WBA and Boro last summer and now Brizzle think enough of him to consider him for the top job. 

I'm not totally against the idea.

His arrival in 2017 seemed to herald a new professionalism about the place. 

There was an interview with him at the tail end of his playing days showing the detailed notes he'd kept about training routines under previous managers.  Playing under good ones won't make him a good one, ofc.

And whilst I'd be tempted to say Terry with an experienced coach be the way to go, it didn't do much for Sherwood when he had Butch Wilkins as no 2.  Nor RDM with Steve Clarke.

I'd hope for better but then I hope for lots of things.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: olaftab on July 08, 2020, 10:56:05 PM
How do we know he's shit?
Because we are about to be relegated?
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Ad@m on July 08, 2020, 10:59:04 PM
I don't blame him.

He's probably looking at Lampard managing Chelsea after a year winning nothing with Derby and seeing Smith look totally out of his depth at the Villa and thinking he's got nothing to lose.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 08, 2020, 11:01:21 PM
How do we know he's shit?
Because we are about to be relegated?
That must mean quite a lot of people at the club are shit also.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: olaftab on July 08, 2020, 11:04:21 PM
Yes lot of incompetence and Terry is buried up to his neck in that pile of manure.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Jon Crofts on July 08, 2020, 11:13:13 PM
Off you fuck then, nobody would notice.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: eamonn on July 08, 2020, 11:16:36 PM
Think you'd end-up switching to the electric bike.

That's one that sounds the most like a Suede lyric!

Without realising, I had originally typed that you would breakdown with him on your back but then changed it!
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 09, 2020, 10:46:50 AM
It’s all Terry’s fault, at some point I am sure that Purslow, the Board and maybe even the Head Coach will intervene.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: PeterWithe on July 09, 2020, 11:10:37 AM
It's Terry's first coaching job, seems to me he's keeping his head down and learning the ropes like he said he would. Have we ever been so critical of a coach before? We really dont know if he's any good at it or not.

Might have been an idea to give him the responsibility of looking after one of the younger teams as well so at least the results could have given us a pointer as to his competence and suitability for the first team managers job.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Axl Rose on July 09, 2020, 11:20:34 AM
Bye
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: brontebilly on July 09, 2020, 01:39:23 PM
It's Terry's first coaching job, seems to me he's keeping his head down and learning the ropes like he said he would. Have we ever been so critical of a coach before? We really dont know if he's any good at it or not.

Might have been an idea to give him the responsibility of looking after one of the younger teams as well so at least the results could have given us a pointer as to his competence and suitability for the first team managers job.

The sheer incompetence of our centre backs and lack of defensive shape generally doesn't exactly speak volumes for Terry's coaching ability.

It was a farce of an appointment to begin with. Smith really needed experienced top coaches with him. Not a novice.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: eric woolban woolban on July 09, 2020, 01:55:02 PM
I can see him getting the gig at the sty.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Jon Crofts on July 09, 2020, 03:30:23 PM
I can see him getting the gig at the sty.

They’d suit each other.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 09, 2020, 05:55:28 PM
How does anyone actually know what he does well enough to make a defined judgement on him? For all we know he could have certain views that don’t align entirely with Dean Smith and in the end it’s the manager who makes the final call. We are putting entirely too much stock on him because of his name. I don’t get some of the vitriol towards him as a member of Aston Villa. He was superb as a player for us. He’s now a coach. He has never said one bad word about us. Always speaking highly of the club and fans even as a Chelsea player.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 09, 2020, 06:02:53 PM
Yep, it's speculation.  Just as Dean apparently can't get a tune out of most of them because they're not good enough, the same must also be true of Terry and the defenders.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 09, 2020, 06:32:35 PM
He's still a ******.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 09, 2020, 07:13:56 PM
A racist ******, to boot.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Jon Crofts on July 11, 2020, 08:30:28 AM
Now it’s Bristol City he’s expressed an interest in according to some of this morning chip wrappers.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Axl Rose on July 11, 2020, 08:42:08 AM
How does anyone actually know what he does well enough to make a defined judgement on him? For all we know he could have certain views that don’t align entirely with Dean Smith and in the end it’s the manager who makes the final call. We are putting entirely too much stock on him because of his name. I don’t get some of the vitriol towards him as a member of Aston Villa. He was superb as a player for us. He’s now a coach. He has never said one bad word about us. Always speaking highly of the club and fans even as a Chelsea player.

Was he really a superb player for us, TV?
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: mr underhill on July 11, 2020, 08:54:30 AM
yes he was i saw all of his home appearances for us and even at 37 his performances were largely outstanding. He also brought leadership to the team .
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Axl Rose on July 11, 2020, 12:52:26 PM
yes he was i saw all of his home appearances for us and even at 37 his performances were largely outstanding. He also brought leadership to the team .

I saw them, too. Albeit on a dodgy stream. I don't think he was superb. But fair enough.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 11, 2020, 01:42:23 PM
At least we had someone who would let the ref know we have had enough of his poor decisions.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: The Edge on July 11, 2020, 01:45:17 PM
At least we had someone who would let the ref know we have had enough of his poor decisions.
Good point.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Axl Rose on July 11, 2020, 01:45:21 PM
At least we had someone who would let the ref know we have had enough of his poor decisions.


That's a good point!
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: David_Nab on July 11, 2020, 02:42:54 PM
I don't know if he is any good as a coach but I can't recall a time that a coach at the club has been blamed more for the on pitch performances.Dean has 2 assistants Terry and O'Kelly the latter doesn't seem to attract any criticism of his coaching ability  where as there is a perception from some if Terry left we would improve...
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 11, 2020, 02:44:10 PM
I don't know if he is any good as a coach but I can't recall a time that a coach at the club has been blamed more for the on pitch performances.Dean has 2 assistants Terry and O'Kelly the latter doesn't seem to attract any criticism of his coaching ability  where as there is a perception from some if Terry left we would improve...

I think it's less about his coaching than his personality.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 11, 2020, 02:44:55 PM
I don't know if he is any good as a coach but I can't recall a time that a coach at the club has been blamed more for the on pitch performances.Dean has 2 assistants Terry and O'Kelly the latter doesn't seem to attract any criticism of his coaching ability  where as there is a perception from some if Terry left we would improve...

Fair point but I think it's the incongruity of Terry being a top level defender for years as a player, yet us having a league one quality defence
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: David_Nab on July 11, 2020, 03:16:01 PM
I don't know if he is any good as a coach but I can't recall a time that a coach at the club has been blamed more for the on pitch performances.Dean has 2 assistants Terry and O'Kelly the latter doesn't seem to attract any criticism of his coaching ability  where as there is a perception from some if Terry left we would improve...

Fair point but I think it's the incongruity of Terry being a top level defender for years as a player, yet us having a league one quality defence

Do we give im credit now for the defence improving ? Who is to blame for the inept attack

There is blame to go round to everyone it just seems to me as Terry is well known he takes alot of the criticism even to the point that Smith is blameless
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 11, 2020, 04:30:49 PM
I never imagined when Terry came on board we'd end up with the (2nd)* worst defence in the league. It's shocking stat - 65 goals conceded.


*Let's see what tomorrow brings.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: colin69 on July 11, 2020, 04:39:03 PM
John Terry was a good player for us for one season and looked after the defence. As far as I know he’s never slagged us off and appears to keep his head down and get on with it. However I did expect a lot more from him when he joined as a coach.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 11, 2020, 05:14:03 PM
I never imagined when Terry came on board we'd end up with the (2nd)* worst defence in the league. It's shocking stat - 65 goals conceded.


*Let's see what tomorrow brings.

What we don’t know is how that fits in with the manager and a style of play he wants to play. Maybe I’m naive but I’m blaming Smith for all of it more than his assistants
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: olaftab on July 11, 2020, 05:20:32 PM
I never imagined when Terry came on board we'd end up with the (2nd)* worst defence in the league. It's shocking stat - 65 goals conceded.
*Let's see what tomorrow brings.
And highest number of goals conceded from set pieces.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 11, 2020, 07:03:13 PM
I have noticed that during the games JT and DS never speak, which is different from last season, it looks like the little bloke in the baseball cap seems the animated one.
There is obviously politics
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 11, 2020, 07:25:30 PM
I never imagined when Terry came on board we'd end up with the (2nd)* worst defence in the league. It's shocking stat - 65 goals conceded.
*Let's see what tomorrow brings.
And highest number of goals conceded from set pieces.

Remember when we had centre halves that scored from corners and free kicks into the box? Even MON had us scoring loads and he was a tactical dwarf. I'm just amazed this season we didn't just kick the ball out of play every time we got a corner. It would have saved a lot of time and energy.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: KevinGage on July 11, 2020, 07:32:02 PM
I never imagined when Terry came on board we'd end up with the (2nd)* worst defence in the league. It's shocking stat - 65 goals conceded.


*Let's see what tomorrow brings.

Well Smudger was a defender in his day n'all and he's head coach.  So the buck stops there.

Maybe there's been an interview where Smith has said Terry takes sole responsibility (or any responsibility for that matter) for our defensive set up. But I haven't heard it.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Somniloquism on August 04, 2020, 01:05:22 PM
Terry linked with the Bournemouth job.

TBH, I suspect it could be a poisoned chalice as anyone going there will lose the better proportion of the current squad in sales and although will be able to spend more then most Championship clubs, will it be enough?
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: olaftab on August 04, 2020, 01:10:54 PM
He deserves his chance in management so I will wish him the best. (and prays)
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: mr underhill on August 04, 2020, 01:11:45 PM
Harry would have apoplexy if Terry got the gig plus Jamie would be in a constant state of wet knickerdom wondering if he was getting it on with Louise.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 04, 2020, 01:16:40 PM
He’s going to leave eventually. And it might be this summer. But for those criticizing him for our defending pre Covid break, in equal measure he should be commended for the miraculous turn around after it. Or was it always that we played Dean Smith’s system and the whole thing got better? I’d rather go with the latter that the manager realized we just couldn’t be that open anymore, and part hard work, part strategy, part just luck we improved immeasurably in defence in the last 10 games.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: mr underhill on August 04, 2020, 01:24:53 PM
I've actually enjoyed his spell with us as a player and coach.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Somniloquism on August 04, 2020, 01:34:51 PM
He deserves his chance in management so I will wish him the best. (and prays)

However the downside is Chris Jameson will be back.....
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Monty on August 04, 2020, 01:38:58 PM
Whatever the causation, there has certainly been a change in our fortunes for the better since he joined us. If he gets offered the manager's job at Bournemouth I really wish him well.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 04, 2020, 01:47:31 PM
 Didn't like him before he joined us but have a lot of respect for him now. As a player he could easily have been another fading star picking up a last paycheque and not trying. He worked really hard and was very good for us. He has been criticised for our defensive frailty this season but must take credit for the post lockdown improvement. He has always conducted himself well off the pitch for us, and if he gets a chance of a manager job then best of luck to him.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 04, 2020, 02:26:44 PM
He deserves his chance in management so I will wish him the best. (and prays)

However the downside is Chris Jameson will be back.....

Ha! Beat me to it. The poor sod has been reduced to posting photos of cats all over the internet since Terry arrived. #prayforchris
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: eamonn on August 04, 2020, 03:01:24 PM
Yeah, I'd rather keep Terry than Chris, just about.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 04, 2020, 03:23:02 PM
I hope he gets another job pronto. I don't want his caretaking anywhere near us as at whatever point in the future we have a vacancy for a new manager.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: mr underhill on August 04, 2020, 03:55:32 PM
very harsh - you belittle his contribution to Villa and assume he'd take over if Dean goes, no matter how temporarily. Far more likely that Eddie Howe would come in immediately should there be a regime change and he was available. Who knows they might have already been conversations?
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 04, 2020, 03:57:12 PM
I wasn't belittling his contribution to Villa so much as his contribution to humanity.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: mr underhill on August 04, 2020, 04:39:58 PM
again harsh imo.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Somniloquism on August 04, 2020, 05:05:55 PM
I wasn't belittling his contribution to Villa so much as his contribution to humanity.

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11661/11973783/john-terry-to-auction-off-memorabilia-for-nhs-and-make-a-wish-foundation
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Chris Smith on August 04, 2020, 05:07:02 PM
I wasn't belittling his contribution to Villa so much as his contribution to humanity.

Let him who is without sin cast the first stone.

Do you not believe that people can change or should past indiscretions always be held against people? Judged on his behaviour and professionalism with us I would say he certainly has put that sort of behaviour behind him.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 04, 2020, 05:18:44 PM
I wasn't belittling his contribution to Villa so much as his contribution to humanity.

Let him who is without sin cast the first stone.

Do you not believe that people can change or should past indiscretions always be held against people? Judged on his behaviour and professionalism with us I would say he certainly has put that sort of behaviour behind him.

Yes, I believe in redemption. And good luck to him if he's changed. However, on something as trivial football supporting I retain a right to pettyness, prejudice and an inherrent dislike of John Terry.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: ozzjim on August 04, 2020, 07:09:12 PM
He was great on the pitch, and has not been a problem to Smith off it. He has been committed, worked hard and done his best for us. I loathed him, with a passion pre Villa, but have a lot of time for the way he has conducted himself here. I don't begrudge him going and getting a managers gig now.

As for the defensive turnaround, Smith has already said that he basically took over the defensive coaching from lockdown onwards to change it.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 04, 2020, 07:14:59 PM
I wouldn't want him as manager, either. Same reason I didn't want Henry and wouldn't want Gerrard. Being a great player is no guarantee of being a good manager. Aston Villa should only ever appoint a manager who has earned the right to manage the club, by virtue of their managerial achievements. Appointing any of those at this point in their career would be total fanboyism.

I do think there is a good chance the club would ignore that though and appoint him if we have a vacancy.

So, even if we do believe that he has changed as a person, I still won't be sorry if he gets a job elsewhere.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: AsTallAsLions on August 05, 2020, 11:54:46 AM
He did well for us as a player.

His acumen as a coach has yet to be proven, I'm inclined not to hang him for our defensive frailties pre-lockdown nor praise him too highly for our defensive improvements post-lockdown.

If he were to walk for another job I'd thank him for his services and wouldn't dwell on it for another second. We'd have better and more experienced coaches lining up join the crew if the position became vacant, so I'd lose no sleep over it. Come to think of it, our own Mark Delaney must be nearly ready for a step-up to senior coaching? Just a thought.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: WarszaVillan on August 05, 2020, 12:13:12 PM
I wasn't belittling his contribution to Villa so much as his contribution to humanity.

Let him who is without sin cast the first stone.

Do you not believe that people can change or should past indiscretions always be held against people? Judged on his behaviour and professionalism with us I would say he certainly has put that sort of behaviour behind him.

Yes, I believe in redemption. And good luck to him if he's changed. However, on something as trivial football supporting I retain a right to pettyness, prejudice and an inherrent dislike of John Terry.

Amen. One of the funniest sights in post lockdown football has been Terry taking the knee for BLM
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 05, 2020, 12:18:34 PM
I wasn't belittling his contribution to Villa so much as his contribution to humanity.

Let him who is without sin cast the first stone.

Do you not believe that people can change or should past indiscretions always be held against people? Judged on his behaviour and professionalism with us I would say he certainly has put that sort of behaviour behind him.

Yes, I believe in redemption. And good luck to him if he's changed. However, on something as trivial football supporting I retain a right to pettyness, prejudice and an inherrent dislike of John Terry.

Amen. One of the funniest sights in post lockdown football has been Terry taking the knee for BLM

As someone who isn’t white and has been subject to racism in my life I applaud anyone who has tried to embrace change. Mistakes are made. Those who refuse to learn from them are the problem. You can view anything you want through a cynical lense. I’d prefer to look at that incident as something he has tried to grow from and hasn’t repeated and if it means he has a greater understanding of systemic racism in sport and society then good for him.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: AsTallAsLions on August 05, 2020, 12:21:42 PM
I wasn't belittling his contribution to Villa so much as his contribution to humanity.

Let him who is without sin cast the first stone.

Do you not believe that people can change or should past indiscretions always be held against people? Judged on his behaviour and professionalism with us I would say he certainly has put that sort of behaviour behind him.

Yes, I believe in redemption. And good luck to him if he's changed. However, on something as trivial football supporting I retain a right to pettyness, prejudice and an inherrent dislike of John Terry.

Amen. One of the funniest sights in post lockdown football has been Terry taking the knee for BLM

As someone who isn’t white and has been subject to racism in my life I applaud anyone who has tried to embrace change. Mistakes are made. Those who refuse to learn from them are the problem. You can view anything you want through a cynical lense. I’d prefer to look at that incident as something he has tried to grow from and hasn’t repeated and if it means he has a greater understanding of systemic racism in sport and society then good for him.

Well said, he's allegedly done/said a few despicable things in his lifetime, but if people can't change for the better then we're all doomed.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: WarszaVillan on August 05, 2020, 12:23:16 PM
I wasn't belittling his contribution to Villa so much as his contribution to humanity.

Let him who is without sin cast the first stone.

Do you not believe that people can change or should past indiscretions always be held against people? Judged on his behaviour and professionalism with us I would say he certainly has put that sort of behaviour behind him.

Yes, I believe in redemption. And good luck to him if he's changed. However, on something as trivial football supporting I retain a right to pettyness, prejudice and an inherrent dislike of John Terry.

Amen. One of the funniest sights in post lockdown football has been Terry taking the knee for BLM

As someone who isn’t white and has been subject to racism in my life I applaud anyone who has tried to embrace change. Mistakes are made. Those who refuse to learn from them are the problem. You can view anything you want through a cynical lense. I’d prefer to look at that incident as something he has tried to grow from and hasn’t repeated and if it means he has a greater understanding of systemic racism in sport and society then good for him.

If he has I agree.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 05, 2020, 12:25:09 PM
Surely that guard of fucking honour on 26 minutes ought to be reason enough to deplore him.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: WilliamStanding on August 05, 2020, 12:37:18 PM
What a fantastic post.(TV)
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: olaftab on August 05, 2020, 12:44:30 PM
Surely that guard of fucking honour on 26 minutes ought to be reason enough to deplore him.
And nicely followed by slipping the kit on for the European cup.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 05, 2020, 12:47:49 PM
Surely that guard of fucking honour on 26 minutes ought to be reason enough to deplore him.
And nicely followed by slipping the kit on for the European cup.

Yep. Several lifetimes-worth of scorn and derision earned right there.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 05, 2020, 01:19:50 PM
As someone who isn’t white and has been subject to racism in my life I applaud anyone who has tried to embrace change. Mistakes are made. Those who refuse to learn from them are the problem. You can view anything you want through a cynical lense. I’d prefer to look at that incident as something he has tried to grow from and hasn’t repeated and if it means he has a greater understanding of systemic racism in sport and society then good for him.

I fully agree. History is full of great people that were once on the dark side but found the light.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: algy on August 05, 2020, 05:08:51 PM
I wasn't belittling his contribution to Villa so much as his contribution to humanity.

Let him who is without sin cast the first stone.

Do you not believe that people can change or should past indiscretions always be held against people? Judged on his behaviour and professionalism with us I would say he certainly has put that sort of behaviour behind him.

Yes, I believe in redemption. And good luck to him if he's changed. However, on something as trivial football supporting I retain a right to pettyness, prejudice and an inherrent dislike of John Terry.

Amen. One of the funniest sights in post lockdown football has been Terry taking the knee for BLM

As someone who isn’t white and has been subject to racism in my life I applaud anyone who has tried to embrace change. Mistakes are made. Those who refuse to learn from them are the problem. You can view anything you want through a cynical lense. I’d prefer to look at that incident as something he has tried to grow from and hasn’t repeated and if it means he has a greater understanding of systemic racism in sport and society then good for him.
Well said.

Can't say I was enamoured with the prospect of John Terry joining the club, or being made captain. But he's not come across as the person I thought he was, in fact quite the opposite. Hope he stays, I think he'd make a good successor to Dean Smith with a little more experience on the coaching side.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: WilliamStanding on August 05, 2020, 05:16:37 PM
Met JT last year at Bodymoor Heath, found him to be really likeable chap. He never hit on my missus once.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Somniloquism on August 05, 2020, 05:19:41 PM
Could be a judgement on the Mrs rather then JT though....
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: WilliamStanding on August 05, 2020, 05:31:10 PM
TBF, she’s no Sharon Stone.

JT definitely appeared a decent fella though.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 05, 2020, 05:36:15 PM
I wasn't belittling his contribution to Villa so much as his contribution to humanity.

Let him who is without sin cast the first stone.

Do you not believe that people can change or should past indiscretions always be held against people? Judged on his behaviour and professionalism with us I would say he certainly has put that sort of behaviour behind him.

Yes, I believe in redemption. And good luck to him if he's changed. However, on something as trivial football supporting I retain a right to pettyness, prejudice and an inherrent dislike of John Terry.

Amen. One of the funniest sights in post lockdown football has been Terry taking the knee for BLM

As someone who isn’t white and has been subject to racism in my life I applaud anyone who has tried to embrace change. Mistakes are made. Those who refuse to learn from them are the problem. You can view anything you want through a cynical lense. I’d prefer to look at that incident as something he has tried to grow from and hasn’t repeated and if it means he has a greater understanding of systemic racism in sport and society then good for him.

Well said, he's allegedly done/said a few despicable things in his lifetime, but if people can't change for the better then we're all doomed.

Indeed.

Although there are some exceptions.

(https://www.mediastorehouse.com/pimage/142/4472155/4472155_450_450_81393_0_fill_0_571daa4b14e367d6a699319c451506db.jpg)

(https://s.hs-data.com/bilder/spieler/gross/7242.jpg)
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Somniloquism on August 05, 2020, 07:52:29 PM
I posted a link to JT fundraising 250k during lockdown and he has done other things which shows a redemption it seems. Have either of those done anything to even make us think about redeeming them. At least TF had the brilliantn idea to manage BCFC and gave us years of laughter and entertainment so he is redeemed to some extent.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 05, 2020, 10:00:11 PM
I'm pretty sure that if John Terry had given a couple of low-key years' service to West Ham or Newcastle everyone on here would still think that he was a twat
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 05, 2020, 10:01:51 PM
Very true.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 05, 2020, 10:56:43 PM
I'm disaapointed at how few people call him by his correct name, Appleyard.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: WilliamStanding on August 05, 2020, 11:21:14 PM
JT has certainly not done himself any favours over the years that’s for sure with previous misdemeanours.  IMHO I think he will take a head coach/ manager Job during the upcoming season.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Hillbilly on August 06, 2020, 06:46:35 AM
If Joey Barton is employable with his track record then John Terry should have no problems.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: PeterWithe on August 06, 2020, 08:24:41 AM
I'm disaapointed at how few people call him by his correct name, Appleyard.

I've never understood this term.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: chrisw1 on August 06, 2020, 10:20:00 AM
I'm disaapointed at how few people call him by his correct name, Appleyard.

I've never understood this term.
Possibly the least funny thing on H&V ever.  Well maybe second least behind Glen Peens curling one out.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 06, 2020, 10:43:08 AM
I'm disaapointed at how few people call him by his correct name, Appleyard.

I've never understood this term.
Possibly the least funny thing on H&V ever.  Well maybe second least behind Glen Peens curling one out.
Come on, the side splitting why did Barry not take the penalty and Agent ......
are further examples of great wit
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Ads on August 06, 2020, 10:44:55 AM
I'm disaapointed at how few people call him by his correct name, Appleyard.

I've never understood this term.
Possibly the least funny thing on H&V ever.  Well maybe second least behind Glen Peens curling one out.
Come on, the side splitting why did Barry not take the penalty and Agent ......
are further examples of great wit

Its because Fabregas had caught him late and he was off the pitch at the time.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on August 06, 2020, 11:17:25 AM
Who are they? I don't have any oldies with me to ask. I'm presuming I'll recognise their names from previous vitriol on here.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: AV82EC on August 06, 2020, 11:17:34 AM
I'm disaapointed at how few people call him by his correct name, Appleyard.

I've never understood this term.
Possibly the least funny thing on H&V ever.  Well maybe second least behind Glen Peens curling one out.
Come on, the side splitting why did Barry not take the penalty and Agent ......
are further examples of great wit

Its because Fabregas had caught him late and he was off the pitch at the time.

Caught him late is generous the dirty little Arsenal twat nearly broke his leg. I’ve hated Fabregas ever since the dirty snidey wanker. What was great was absolutely schooling Arsenal that day should have been at least a three or four goal margin.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Jon Crofts on August 06, 2020, 11:29:26 AM
Whilst still a Chelsea player, I spotted him in Esher in his Cayenne as I crossed the road at a zebra crossing, obviously gave him the Gareth Hunt beans.

I'd probably still do the same today.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: chrisw1 on August 06, 2020, 11:47:11 AM
I'm disaapointed at how few people call him by his correct name, Appleyard.

I've never understood this term.
Possibly the least funny thing on H&V ever.  Well maybe second least behind Glen Peens curling one out.
Come on, the side splitting why did Barry not take the penalty and Agent ......
are further examples of great wit
Ah yes.  And now I remember some idiot kept trying to get the name 'Airport Boy' to stick for Callum O'Hare.  Absolutely nobody else joined in, but that didn't stop him trying.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Diablo on August 06, 2020, 03:08:10 PM
I'm disaapointed at how few people call him by his correct name, Appleyard.
While he's with us he'll always be Gerald Appleyard to me PWS.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: gpbarr on August 06, 2020, 05:16:51 PM
If he goes, it'll be our best move of the summer.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 06, 2020, 05:37:24 PM
If he goes, it'll be our best move of the summer.

Not really sure why? I’ve got no idea how much or how little he contributes. I’d like to think that at least one of the players we bring in this summer has more of an impact than a coach potentially leaving. If they don’t we’ll have had a very bad summer.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 06, 2020, 06:58:43 PM
I'm disaapointed at how few people call him by his correct name, Appleyard.

I've never understood this term.
Possibly the least funny thing on H&V ever.  Well maybe second least behind Glen Peens curling one out.
Come on, the side splitting why did Barry not take the penalty and Agent ......
are further examples of great wit
Ah yes.  And now I remember some idiot kept trying to get the name 'Airport Boy' to stick for Callum O'Hare.  Absolutely nobody else joined in, but that didn't stop him trying.
Not guilty, although the association is obvious.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 06, 2020, 07:26:18 PM
Ah yes.  And now I remember some idiot kept trying to get the name 'Airport Boy' to stick for Callum O'Hare.  Absolutely nobody else joined in, but that didn't stop him trying.

That's because the 'Orchard Orphan' was much catchier.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Big Ming on August 13, 2020, 11:54:30 AM
Sometimes wonder who pays Terry's wages and who he works for.

Priorities seem to be what's going on at Chelsea ( latest eg.... Declan Rice).
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 13, 2020, 11:59:20 AM
He’s played for us, and he works for us as a coach so for the last few years he’s been dedicated to us and we paid and pay his wages. Why are some so obsessed about his ties to Chelsea. Should he just cut them off completely just because he’s with us? He’s was there from the time he was a kid and won literally everything with them as captain. It’s hardly a surprise he really, really likes them still and is very interested in how they do.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Big Ming on August 13, 2020, 12:07:53 PM
He’s played for us, and he works for us as a coach so for the last few years he’s been dedicated to us and we paid and pay his wages. Why are some so obsessed about his ties to Chelsea. Should he just cut them off completely just because he’s with us? He’s was there from the time he was a kid and won literally everything with them as captain. It’s hardly a surprise he really, really likes them still and is very interested in how they do.
Perhaps he could have managed a celebration when we took the lead against them at VP recently then.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: AsTallAsLions on August 13, 2020, 12:09:31 PM
I think it's relevant in the context of professionalism once you reach management level.

There are probably better 'workplace' analogies you could apply it to, but I prefer to think of him as the footballing equivalent of that guy who lived abroad once, or was really popular back in school, or had a great experience at uni -- and hasn't shut up about it approaching his '40s. The whole "When I was in..." thing. A bit sad, like.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Clampy on August 13, 2020, 12:10:38 PM
Sometimes wonder who pays Terry's wages and who he works for.

Priorities seem to be what's going on at Chelsea ( latest eg.... Declan Rice).

What has Declan Rice got to do with Chelsea?
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: eamonn on August 13, 2020, 12:11:05 PM
I'm disaapointed at how few people call him by his correct name, Appleyard.

I've never understood this term.
Possibly the least funny thing on H&V ever.  Well maybe second least behind Glen Peens curling one out.
Come on, the side splitting why did Barry not take the penalty and Agent ......
are further examples of great wit
Ah yes.  And now I remember some idiot kept trying to get the name 'Airport Boy' to stick for Callum O'Hare.  Absolutely nobody else joined in, but that didn't stop him trying.

Harsh, Redsox was just trying to add a bit of light to the shade.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 13, 2020, 12:12:30 PM
I'm considering taking a few mates down to Oxted on Saturday and forming a guard of honour at 3.26. It's possibly the only way he knows how to leave.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: WilliamStanding on August 13, 2020, 12:14:42 PM
Sometimes wonder who pays Terry's wages and who he works for.

Priorities seem to be what's going on at Chelsea ( latest eg.... Declan Rice).

What has Declan Rice got to do with Chelsea?



Nothing, other than trying to sign him.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Somniloquism on August 13, 2020, 12:14:45 PM
He’s played for us, and he works for us as a coach so for the last few years he’s been dedicated to us and we paid and pay his wages. Why are some so obsessed about his ties to Chelsea. Should he just cut them off completely just because he’s with us? He’s was there from the time he was a kid and won literally everything with them as captain. It’s hardly a surprise he really, really likes them still and is very interested in how they do.

The optics of working for us but apparently talking someone up for another club is not great though. Also, I'm not sure when exactly he will back from Portugal but as he needs to add 14 days before he can come back and coach, it leads to less then 2 weeks before the prem starts again. (Obviously Mount and Rice might be in the same boat). When does pre season start again?

Still I expect the club have ok'd it.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Clampy on August 13, 2020, 12:18:37 PM
Sometimes wonder who pays Terry's wages and who he works for.

Priorities seem to be what's going on at Chelsea ( latest eg.... Declan Rice).

What has Declan Rice got to do with Chelsea?

Nothing, other than trying to sign him.

Nice quote fail.

The papers say they are trying to sign him or maybe they just met on holiday.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: WilliamStanding on August 13, 2020, 12:20:20 PM
Quote fail - scraping the barrel aren’t we.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: mr underhill on August 13, 2020, 12:20:39 PM
nice drink coming his way should it happen
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 13, 2020, 12:21:18 PM
Sometimes wonder who pays Terry's wages and who he works for.

Priorities seem to be what's going on at Chelsea ( latest eg.... Declan Rice).

What has Declan Rice got to do with Chelsea?

Nothing, other than trying to sign him.

Nice quote fail.

The papers say they are trying to sign him or maybe they just met on holiday.

Rice was at Chelsea as a boy so they possibly know each other (and are welcome to each other).
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 13, 2020, 12:28:52 PM
He’s played for us, and he works for us as a coach so for the last few years he’s been dedicated to us and we paid and pay his wages. Why are some so obsessed about his ties to Chelsea. Should he just cut them off completely just because he’s with us? He’s was there from the time he was a kid and won literally everything with them as captain. It’s hardly a surprise he really, really likes them still and is very interested in how they do.
Perhaps he could have managed a celebration when we took the lead against them at VP recently then.

Who cares? Players who have played for us and score against us don’t celebrate. It’s stupid. He’s dedicated three of his playing/coaching career to us and been a consummate pro throughout, yet is still hated by some. It’s bizarre.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Clampy on August 13, 2020, 12:30:22 PM
Yep, just a fuss over a holiday snap.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 13, 2020, 12:34:28 PM
He’s played for us, and he works for us as a coach so for the last few years he’s been dedicated to us and we paid and pay his wages. Why are some so obsessed about his ties to Chelsea. Should he just cut them off completely just because he’s with us? He’s was there from the time he was a kid and won literally everything with them as captain. It’s hardly a surprise he really, really likes them still and is very interested in how they do.
Perhaps he could have managed a celebration when we took the lead against them at VP recently then.

Who cares? Players who have played for us and score against us don’t celebrate. It’s stupid. He’s dedicated three of his playing/coaching career to us and been a consummate pro throughout, yet is still hated by some. It’s bizarre.

And he's been handsomely rewarded for his 'dedication'.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 13, 2020, 12:42:22 PM
He’s played for us, and he works for us as a coach so for the last few years he’s been dedicated to us and we paid and pay his wages. Why are some so obsessed about his ties to Chelsea. Should he just cut them off completely just because he’s with us? He’s was there from the time he was a kid and won literally everything with them as captain. It’s hardly a surprise he really, really likes them still and is very interested in how they do.
Perhaps he could have managed a celebration when we took the lead against them at VP recently then.

Who cares? Players who have played for us and score against us don’t celebrate. It’s stupid. He’s dedicated three of his playing/coaching career to us and been a consummate pro throughout, yet is still hated by some. It’s bizarre.

And he's been handsomely rewarded for his 'dedication'.

Did you expect him not to be paid or not to be paid what the person or club felt he is worth? How about anyone else who has managed or played for us? Are they not "dedicated" because they have been handsomely paid?
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Gareth on August 13, 2020, 12:43:17 PM
I'm disaapointed at how few people call him by his correct name, Appleyard.
While he's with us he'll always be Gerald Appleyard to me PWS.

Have googled the name, still none the wiser
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 13, 2020, 12:48:52 PM
He’s played for us, and he works for us as a coach so for the last few years he’s been dedicated to us and we paid and pay his wages. Why are some so obsessed about his ties to Chelsea. Should he just cut them off completely just because he’s with us? He’s was there from the time he was a kid and won literally everything with them as captain. It’s hardly a surprise he really, really likes them still and is very interested in how they do.
Perhaps he could have managed a celebration when we took the lead against them at VP recently then.

Who cares? Players who have played for us and score against us don’t celebrate. It’s stupid. He’s dedicated three of his playing/coaching career to us and been a consummate pro throughout, yet is still hated by some. It’s bizarre.

And he's been handsomely rewarded for his 'dedication'.

Did you expect him not to be paid or not to be paid what the person or club felt he is worth? How about anyone else who has managed or played for us? Are they not "dedicated" because they have been handsomely paid?

I expect him to be paid. I don't expect to have to feel grateful to him for doing his job.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 13, 2020, 12:52:33 PM
I'm disaapointed at how few people call him by his correct name, Appleyard.
While he's with us he'll always be Gerald Appleyard to me PWS.

Have googled the name, still none the wiser

it was someone's attempt at being clever.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Gareth on August 13, 2020, 12:58:42 PM
I'm disaapointed at how few people call him by his correct name, Appleyard.
While he's with us he'll always be Gerald Appleyard to me PWS.

Have googled the name, still none the wiser

it was someone's attempt at being clever.

Ahhh, I’ll remain happily thick then.

Something tells me it isn’t clever :-)
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 13, 2020, 03:09:12 PM
No problem with Terry's contribution at Villa but wouldn't be upset if he now decided to move on given we have Shakespeare and Richard Florence O'Kelly.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: gpbarr on August 13, 2020, 03:55:52 PM
If he goes, it'll be our best move of the summer.

Not really sure why? I’ve got no idea how much or how little he contributes. I’d like to think that at least one of the players we bring in this summer has more of an impact than a coach potentially leaving. If they don’t we’ll have had a very bad summer.

Fair. I guess I meant that his departure would allow an upgrade in Dean’s coaching staff which to me, is a big opportunity. I didn’t like that the top three coaches had almost no top flight experience between them. Terry was definitely doing his apprenticeship but Dean needs a much more experienced right hand - of course now we have Shakespeare which I’m delighted about
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Big Ming on August 13, 2020, 04:51:08 PM
If he goes, it'll be our best move of the summer.

Not really sure why? I’ve got no idea how much or how little he contributes. I’d like to think that at least one of the players we bring in this summer has more of an impact than a coach potentially leaving. If they don’t we’ll have had a very bad summer.
Although the rest of the outfielders didn't help, defensively we were pants for 80% of last season.
He presumably has responsibility for defensive coaching and last season we weren't organised at all. He was a good defender himself but good players don't always make good coaches.

Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Somniloquism on August 13, 2020, 05:35:22 PM
Obviously we won't know for sure whether Terry was also Defensive coach or was just a general coach but with his experience you would have thought he was the former. When the season resumed we let in a goal per game average, before then we let in 2 goals a game on average. Dean has supposedly gone on record stating he took over defensive coaching since the lockdown but has not elaborated more on what that entailed and who he took it from. It could mean that he set the team up more to defend then attack, or he could mean he literally coached the defence. However it does make you wonder Terry's role.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: chrisw1 on August 14, 2020, 06:42:32 PM
He’s played for us, and he works for us as a coach so for the last few years he’s been dedicated to us and we paid and pay his wages. Why are some so obsessed about his ties to Chelsea. Should he just cut them off completely just because he’s with us? He’s was there from the time he was a kid and won literally everything with them as captain. It’s hardly a surprise he really, really likes them still and is very interested in how they do.
Perhaps he could have managed a celebration when we took the lead against them at VP recently then.

Who cares? Players who have played for us and score against us don’t celebrate. It’s stupid. He’s dedicated three of his playing/coaching career to us and been a consummate pro throughout, yet is still hated by some. It’s bizarre.

And he's been handsomely rewarded for his 'dedication'.
As have all our players and coaches.  It's clear you don't like him but he's been a decent servant to the club and hardly put a foot wrong in the 3 seasons he's been with us.  People have a right to dislike the bloke but bringing up stuff like whether he celebrated or not is just petty.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 14, 2020, 06:50:32 PM
I didn't.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: WilliamStanding on August 14, 2020, 07:30:37 PM
As TV has correctly said -  I’m more than happy with JTs professional application.

If Jack god forbid ever coaches anywhere else when he retires I would cry if he was over zealous with a goal against us.

Some just have issues they can’t get over.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: dave shelley on August 14, 2020, 07:59:35 PM
As TV has correctly said -  I’m more than happy with JTs professional application.

If Jack god forbid ever coaches anywhere else when he retires I would cry if he was over zealous with a goal against us.

Some just have issues they can’t get over.

The finest piece of irony I've seen in a long time.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: WilliamStanding on August 14, 2020, 08:12:37 PM
Look, the gaffers have given us all the slap so let’s not make it worse.


Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 14, 2020, 08:17:47 PM
Look, the gaffers have given us all the slap so let’s not make it worse.




You sound like you're on a mission to get on peoples' tits.

Am I wrong?
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: WilliamStanding on August 14, 2020, 09:03:38 PM
I can’t account for people disagreeing.

I would rather not become entangled In an avoidable exchange when villa are our common passion.

Please audit all of my posts and you will recognise ample humility.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 14, 2020, 09:13:32 PM
I'll audit you to the extent that next time i get a whiff of you being a wind-up merchant, I'll ban you and you can go and tell someone else what you'd rather not get entangled with.

Play nicely, don't go out of your way to get on everyone's tits, because right now, that is what is happening.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: mike on August 14, 2020, 09:15:02 PM
I'm disaapointed at how few people call him by his correct name, Appleyard.
While he's with us he'll always be Gerald Appleyard to me PWS.

Have googled the name, still none the wiser

it was someone's attempt at being clever.

Appreciating it might be a crap joke, can someone please explain it!!
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: WilliamStanding on August 14, 2020, 09:26:33 PM
Ultimately I think JT will go this season - Shakey’s appointment is a clear signal.

A solid handshake and good luck will suffice for JT. Been a true professional.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: PeterWithe on August 14, 2020, 10:37:13 PM
Agree, we were never a long term thing for him but he’s done well as a player, kept his head down as a coach and when he goes I’ll think a lot more of him when he leaves than when he arrived.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 14, 2020, 10:42:29 PM
Agree, we were never a long term thing for him but he’s done well as a player, kept his head down as a coach and when he goes I’ll think a lot more of him when he leaves than when he arrived.

Which is all you can ask of anyone, player or manager.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: PeterWithe on August 14, 2020, 10:50:31 PM
A good pal of mine met him, a baggie, and really wanted to dislike him. He told me he seemed a really nice fella.

People can change?

Let’s hope so for all our sakes.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 14, 2020, 10:52:45 PM
A good pal of mine met him, a baggie, and really wanted to dislike him. He told me he seemed a really nice fella.

People can change?

Let’s hope so for all our sakes.

I've been told stories that when he was at Chelsea he went to see every player who was on loan, regularly saw the Academy sides, did everything you'd expect from a captain. He was also at Ron Saunders' funeral, which might not sound much but he didn't have to be there. 
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: PeterWithe on August 14, 2020, 10:55:11 PM
God Bless St JT.

That’s me and you for his exit guard of honour, we just need another 10. Have you got Chris Jameson’s number?
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 15, 2020, 12:15:27 AM
I'm not sure whether we deserve such a lion-hearted warrior being with us.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: PeterWithe on August 15, 2020, 12:22:22 AM
How about something a lot of us can relate to.

He was a ****** when he was younger then had a wife and kids, yes alright, and someone else’s wife, then mellowed and realised that you don’t have to be ****** for the rest of your life.

Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 15, 2020, 12:25:33 AM
Possibly. Or he's just an embarrassment to the club. That guard of honour was genuinely so much worse than all the genocide that he's responsible for.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: PeterWithe on August 15, 2020, 12:30:02 AM
I concede the point re the guard of honour.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: chrisw1 on August 17, 2020, 12:46:25 PM
Possibly. Or he's just an embarrassment to the club. That guard of honour was genuinely so much worse than all the genocide that he's responsible for.
He hasn't been an embarrassment to the club at all, his conduct whilst he's been with us has been excellent.  We know you don't like him, why can't you leave it at that?
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 17, 2020, 01:02:30 PM
I have left it at that.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Drummond on August 17, 2020, 01:28:29 PM
I have left it at that.

You just wouldn't let it li..... oh, you did.

I've no idea how he's been as a coach with us, I suspect he's been learning a lot from Smith. He was great playing for us though and I've seen no bad press at all about him since he's been here. I'm surprised to be honest but he's growing on me, perhaps that's because I don't follow his social media though.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: mr underhill on August 17, 2020, 01:56:15 PM
if you followed anyone on social media you'd end up hating them.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: ozzjim on August 17, 2020, 01:56:22 PM
He hasn't given a sniff of a headline while he has been here. Head down, got on with it as player and manager. I loathed him more than most on here, but he has done all asked and been a positive role model on and off the pitch. If he goes, he does with my best wishes and hope he does well wherever he ends up.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: chrisw1 on August 17, 2020, 01:57:41 PM
He hasn't given a sniff of a headline while he has been here. Head down, got on with it as player and manager. I loathed him more than most on here, but he has done all asked and been a positive role model on and off the pitch. If he goes, he does with my best wishes and hope he does well wherever he ends up.
A measured view and is how I feel.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on August 17, 2020, 01:59:54 PM
I suspect few of us, if any, will ever have the degree of contact to form a meaningful opinion of his character.

It's possible for a complete arse to be polite and affable in a two-minute exchange heading in or out of the ground or when approached out in public. It's just as likely that a genuinely decent person can be grumpy or dealing with problems a fan will not be aware of when they are approached.

What I do find puzzling is the seemingly universal view that his season playing for us was a success - especially in relation to his positional play. My take, for what it is worth, is that his default was to back off rather than get exposed for a lack of pace.

As a result our defensive line was very deep - though that might have been the 'plan' (unlikely as we weren't doing tactics at the time). Coupled with the poor/inconsistent cover in front of the back four, meant we surrendered both possession and territory and invited pressure.

In my view, Chester was comfortably the better performer and organiser that season.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 17, 2020, 02:32:41 PM
A good pal of mine met him, a baggie, and really wanted to dislike him. He told me he seemed a really nice fella.

People can change?

Let’s hope so for all our sakes.

I've been told stories that when he was at Chelsea he went to see every player who was on loan, regularly saw the Academy sides, did everything you'd expect from a captain. He was also at Ron Saunders' funeral, which might not sound much but he didn't have to be there. 

Excellent of him going to Ron's funeral considering he had no links to us prior to 2017 but obviously taken time to understand our history.

Just think he wants to be a number one somewhere now and the time is probably right given we've got Craig Shakespeare in who can do the number 2 role with his eyes closed.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 17, 2020, 02:36:39 PM
I watched the documentary Anelka, Misunderstood over the weekend. Very good if you haven’t seen it. There was a short bit with Marcel Desailly and it reminded me of the incident with Ron Atkinson. If you think what John Terry allegedly said to Anton Ferdinand was bad (and I’m not minimizing what he’s alleged to have said), what Ron Atkinson actually said was way, way worse. And for many Villa fans, despite that he’s still a hero.

If you are going to hate racism, hate it all.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 17, 2020, 02:46:44 PM
I do.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on August 17, 2020, 02:50:19 PM
A good pal of mine met him, a baggie, and really wanted to dislike him. He told me he seemed a really nice fella.

People can change?

Let’s hope so for all our sakes.

I've been told stories that when he was at Chelsea he went to see every player who was on loan, regularly saw the Academy sides, did everything you'd expect from a captain. He was also at Ron Saunders' funeral, which might not sound much but he didn't have to be there. 

I was told by the club tour guide that Terry, whilst living at the Belfry, bought a coffee every morning from the Starbucks in the hotel en route to training. He got chatting to the young lad serving him every day as he was a Villa fan.

For one game, no one was going to be using Terry’s private box in the Trinity Road stand, so he let the young lad from Starbucks have it, so he could bring his mates and family.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: LeeB on August 17, 2020, 03:04:12 PM
I watched the documentary Anelka, Misunderstood over the weekend. Very good if you haven’t seen it. There was a short bit with Marcel Desailly and it reminded me of the incident with Ron Atkinson. If you think what John Terry allegedly said to Anton Ferdinand was bad (and I’m not minimizing what he’s alleged to have said), what Ron Atkinson actually said was way, way worse. And for many Villa fans, despite that he’s still a hero.

If you are going to hate racism, hate it all.

Yep, and it couldn't have been more inappropriate in Desailly's case, the violin playing step-son of the head of the French Consulate in Accra, far more intelligent and cultured than the man himself.

I loved Ron, but I'd also heard him being a bigot in person when referring to Earl Barrett, so it wasn't an isolated incident.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: mike on August 17, 2020, 09:58:59 PM
I suspect few of us, if any, will ever have the degree of contact to form a meaningful opinion of his character.

It's possible for a complete arse to be polite and affable in a two-minute exchange heading in or out of the ground or when approached out in public. It's just as likely that a genuinely decent person can be grumpy or dealing with problems a fan will not be aware of when they are approached.


Yep. My lad waited about an hour after one game to get Tyrone’s autograph. He was, without a shadow of a doubt the most miserable and ungracious player I’ve ever met. But all the evidence is that he’s a good guy..
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: eamonn on August 18, 2020, 01:37:53 AM
We all have shitty days.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: The Edge on August 18, 2020, 07:38:09 AM
A good pal of mine met him, a baggie, and really wanted to dislike him. He told me he seemed a really nice fella.

People can change?

Let’s hope so for all our sakes.

I've been told stories that when he was at Chelsea he went to see every player who was on loan, regularly saw the Academy sides, did everything you'd expect from a captain. He was also at Ron Saunders' funeral, which might not sound much but he didn't have to be there. 

I was told by the club tour guide that Terry, whilst living at the Belfry, bought a coffee every morning from the Starbucks in the hotel en route to training. He got chatting to the young lad serving him every day as he was a Villa fan.

For one game, no one was going to be using Terry’s private box in the Trinity Road stand, so he let the young lad from Starbucks have it, so he could bring his mates and family.
A friend of a friend who is acquainted with Terry got us complimentary tickets for Boro away play off semis when there wasn't a cat in hells chance of us getting any legit. Just over an hour before kick off when you'd expect the players to be pretty busy my mate got a text off a number he didn't know. "Go to the ticket office and ask for tickets with my name on the envelope" All the best. UTV JT. Sure enough they were ready and waiting when we got there. He went up in my estimation that day.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: mr underhill on August 18, 2020, 07:51:45 AM
Terry's All Gold
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Drummond on August 18, 2020, 08:43:45 AM
I suspect few of us, if any, will ever have the degree of contact to form a meaningful opinion of his character.

It's possible for a complete arse to be polite and affable in a two-minute exchange heading in or out of the ground or when approached out in public. It's just as likely that a genuinely decent person can be grumpy or dealing with problems a fan will not be aware of when they are approached.


Yep. My lad waited about an hour after one game to get Tyrone’s autograph. He was, without a shadow of a doubt the most miserable and ungracious player I’ve ever met. But all the evidence is that he’s a good guy..

Which game was it? If we'd lost it might suggest he has the right attitude as I'd not expect anyone to be happy. Then again, no need to be rude.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Big Ming on August 24, 2020, 06:19:43 PM
Terry in the news again.

Commenting on Chelsea business again.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: chrisw1 on August 24, 2020, 07:13:02 PM
Terry in the news again.

Commenting on Chelsea business again.
So what?  The press will ask him a question and he'll answer it.  He's a Chelsea club man who's doing a good job for us.  Get over it.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Big Ming on August 24, 2020, 07:20:56 PM
Terry in the news again.

Commenting on Chelsea business again.
So what?  The press will ask him a question and he'll answer it.  He's a Chelsea club man who's doing a good job for us.  Get over it.
Evidence that he's been doing a good job for us.

Our magnificent defensive record, perhaps?
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: chrisw1 on August 24, 2020, 07:56:19 PM
Terry in the news again.

Commenting on Chelsea business again.
So what?  The press will ask him a question and he'll answer it.  He's a Chelsea club man who's doing a good job for us.  Get over it.
Evidence that he's been doing a good job for us.

Our magnificent defensive record, perhaps?
Probably as the club seem to want to keep him on.  But really that's irrelevant to your original whinge.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Hookeysmith on August 24, 2020, 08:25:29 PM
In a world where the media try to fill 24hr sports news they have to have something.
If a player / coach is asked anything it is spun with an angle.

You cannot believe anything. It's like news now asking the opinion on villa matters from Hutton / Bruces son / Matteo ffs  / or any other fuckerand they then spin the shit out of it.

It panders for the nerds, the stay away fans and saddos on Twitter who want some attention.

I couldn't give a toss about what he says about the club he loves tbh
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 24, 2020, 08:40:36 PM
Terry in the news again.

Commenting on Chelsea business again.

Excellent news that he's retaining an active interest in the higher echelons of the game. That's where we should be aiming for.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: purpletrousers on August 24, 2020, 08:47:45 PM
Terry in the news again.

Commenting on Chelsea business again.

He’d be hard pushed to comment on ours.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Big Ming on August 25, 2020, 05:58:13 AM
Terry in the news again.

Commenting on Chelsea business again.
So what?  The press will ask him a question and he'll answer it.  He's a Chelsea club man who's doing a good job for us.  Get over it.
Evidence that he's been doing a good job for us.

Our magnificent defensive record, perhaps?
Probably as the club seem to want to keep him on.  But really that's irrelevant to your original whinge.
Must be hard for him though. Biting his lip and sitting on his hands when ever Chelsea slot a goal against Villa.

Sooner have Olaf Melberg or Martin Laursen organising the defence myself, but it's up to the club.

As for whether I'm whingeing, I really couldn't give a toss what you think.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Clampy on August 25, 2020, 08:43:32 AM
What has actually happened anyway? Has he mentioned a Chelsea transfer in passing or did he just like a tweet? Either way, who cares? A fuss over nothing again.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on August 25, 2020, 08:58:27 AM
So what is the actual story. Its this:
"Instagram account 433 posted a picture of Silva edited to be wearing a Chelsea kit and Terry gave his approval by 'liking' the post, as spotted by football.london."

Yes, he "liked" a post on Instagram. He's probably also "liked" photos of dolphins or a bulldog skateboarding. FFS
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: ozzjim on August 25, 2020, 09:02:34 AM
So what is the actual story. Its this:
"Instagram account 433 posted a picture of Silva edited to be wearing a Chelsea kit and Terry gave his approval by 'liking' the post, as spotted by football.london."

Yes, he "liked" a post on Instagram. He's probably also "liked" photos of dolphins or a bulldog skateboarding. FFS

Honestly, it is utter madness what passes for "journalism", the bham mail is the worst. They now run 3-4 stories a day about tweets from villa fans about links to players. People are paid to do this!
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: chrisw1 on August 25, 2020, 09:26:02 AM
Terry in the news again.

Commenting on Chelsea business again.
So what?  The press will ask him a question and he'll answer it.  He's a Chelsea club man who's doing a good job for us.  Get over it.
Evidence that he's been doing a good job for us.

Our magnificent defensive record, perhaps?
Probably as the club seem to want to keep him on.  But really that's irrelevant to your original whinge.
Must be hard for him though. Biting his lip and sitting on his hands when ever Chelsea slot a goal against Villa.

Sooner have Olaf Melberg or Martin Laursen organising the defence myself, but it's up to the club.

As for whether I'm whingeing, I really couldn't give a toss what you think.
Klopp supports Stuttgart.  I bet Liverpool fans couldn't give a shit.
Smith supports Villa, I bet Brentford fans didn't give a shit
Albrighton supports Villa, I bet Leicester fans dont give a shit.
The vast majority of people in football probably supported a different club to where they are now - who gives a shit?

You really need to get over the Terry thing.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: AsTallAsLions on August 25, 2020, 09:31:15 AM
When's the last time you heard Albrighton talk about Villa, or Klopp talk about Stuttgart for that matter?

I do think he needs to shut up about Chelsea when he's in our employ IMO. It's deeply unprofessional for both the journalists in question and Terry to engage in talk about their transfers.

The correct answer to "What do you think about Chelsea doing X...?" is "I'm employed by Aston Villa, it's not relevant what I think about Chelsea at this moment in time. Next question."
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Risso on August 25, 2020, 09:32:33 AM
Must be hard for him though. Biting his lip and sitting on his hands when ever Chelsea slot a goal against Villa.

Sooner have Olaf Melberg or Martin Laursen organising the defence myself, but it's up to the club.

As for whether I'm whingeing, I really couldn't give a toss what you think.

Olof Mellberg would be even better.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Clampy on August 25, 2020, 09:33:23 AM
He liked a picture on social media, big deal. Pant wetting at its finest
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: chrisw1 on August 25, 2020, 09:35:16 AM
When's the last time you heard Albrighton talk about Villa, or Klopp talk about Stuttgart for that matter?

I do think he needs to shut up about Chelsea when he's in our employ IMO. It's deeply unprofessional for both the journalists in question and Terry to engage in talk about their transfers.

The correct answer to "What do you think about Chelsea doing X...?" is "I'm employed by Aston Villa, it's not relevant what I think about Chelsea at this moment in time. Next question."
Albrighton comes to watch us.

I just think people want to make a mountain out of a mole hill.  Is there anyone more sensitive than internet forum football fans?
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: AsTallAsLions on August 25, 2020, 09:37:52 AM
He liked a picture on social media, big deal. Pant wetting at its finest

You seem to be very preoccupied with wet pants. You really should talk to somebody about that.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Risso on August 25, 2020, 09:41:09 AM
When's the last time you heard Albrighton talk about Villa, or Klopp talk about Stuttgart for that matter?



Albrighton gave a big interview back in June about his time at Villa.  Next!
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Clampy on August 25, 2020, 09:47:55 AM
He liked a picture on social media, big deal. Pant wetting at its finest

You seem to be very preoccupied with wet pants. You really should talk to somebody about that.

Do I? Would you like to point out the last time I mentioned 'wet pants'?
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Dave P on August 25, 2020, 09:52:35 AM
When's the last time you heard Albrighton talk about Villa, or Klopp talk about Stuttgart for that matter?



Albrighton gave a big interview back in June about his time at Villa.  Next!

And also didn't he say something like 'I'm going to Wembley either way' before the league cup semi final?
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on August 25, 2020, 09:58:17 AM
When's the last time you heard Albrighton talk about Villa, or Klopp talk about Stuttgart for that matter?



Albrighton gave a big interview back in June about his time at Villa.  Next!

And also didn't he say something like 'I'm going to Wembley either way' before the league cup semi final?

*likes*
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 25, 2020, 10:17:00 AM
What a load of nonsense.

Houllier tapping the Anfield tunnel badge after a week of swoonily talking about Liverpool (after even doing so at his unveiling press conference) = vomit inducing.

Terry liking an instagram post?

Who cares?
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Allan C on August 25, 2020, 11:11:19 AM
John Terry is Chelsea through and through. Everybody knows it and with his high profile he’s bound to be asked to comment on all things Chelsea. It matters not a jot because he works for Villa. I’d be shocked if anybody other than Smith or Grealish support Villa, again it dosnt matter
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Risso on August 25, 2020, 11:12:29 AM
I like John Terry.  There, I've said it.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 25, 2020, 11:14:09 AM
Fucking hell.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on August 25, 2020, 11:25:36 AM
Its all coming out now.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: WarszaVillan on August 25, 2020, 11:27:28 AM
For some reason I've always pictured John Terry when reading Risso's posts. In fact, have they ever been seen together...?
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 25, 2020, 11:27:52 AM
You can absolutely guarantee that if, God forbid, we ever play Small Heath again, Alan Hutton will be all over the media. And if he's assistant manager of another club, I doubt their supporters will raise more than an eyebrow.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Drummond on August 25, 2020, 11:29:26 AM
I like John Terry.  There, I've said it.

Wash your mouth out with soa... antibacterial handwash!

I think he's done nothing wrong since he's been with us either.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Risso on August 25, 2020, 11:30:31 AM
For some reason I've always pictured John Terry when reading Risso's posts. In fact, have they ever been seen together...?

I can't think of anybody I look like less, to be honest!  I used to get mistaken for Wigan rugby league legend, Dennis Betts when I lived in Wigan, if that helps with the mental picture.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: WarszaVillan on August 25, 2020, 11:31:32 AM
For some reason I've always pictured John Terry when reading Risso's posts. In fact, have they ever been seen together...?

I can't think of anybody I look like less, to be honest!  I used to get mistaken for Wigan rugby league legend, Dennis Betts when I lived in Wigan, if that helps with the mental picture.

I had to google him and then lose three stone from the image :)
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 25, 2020, 11:32:01 AM
For some reason I've always pictured John Terry when reading Risso's posts. In fact, have they ever been seen together...?

I can't think of anybody I look like less, to be honest!  I used to get mistaken for Wigan rugby league legend, Dennis Betts when I lived in Wigan, if that helps with the mental picture.

I thought you looked a bit like Roman Abramovich. In a nice way.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: LeeB on August 25, 2020, 12:11:28 PM
For some reason I've always pictured John Terry when reading Risso's posts. In fact, have they ever been seen together...?

I can't think of anybody I look like less, to be honest!  I used to get mistaken for Wigan rugby league legend, Dennis Betts when I lived in Wigan, if that helps with the mental picture.

I thought you looked a bit like Roman Abramovich. In a nice way.

In the way he looks a bit simple, like?
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: LeeB on August 25, 2020, 12:15:33 PM
Smart arse funny aside, I agree with Risso. My conversion came stood watching him in an away win at Barnsley.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 25, 2020, 12:16:58 PM
For some reason I've always pictured John Terry when reading Risso's posts. In fact, have they ever been seen together...?

I can't think of anybody I look like less, to be honest!  I used to get mistaken for Wigan rugby league legend, Dennis Betts when I lived in Wigan, if that helps with the mental picture.

I thought you looked a bit like Roman Abramovich. In a nice way.

In the way he looks a bit simple, like?

No. He looks assured, like he's definitely killed a man and been rewarded with a nation's energy supply.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 25, 2020, 12:17:37 PM
Smart arse funny aside, I agree with Risso. My conversion came stood watching him in an away win at Barnsley.

No. Not you...
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Risso on August 25, 2020, 12:18:20 PM
I agree with LeeB.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 25, 2020, 12:19:11 PM
Ha!
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: LeeB on August 25, 2020, 12:22:36 PM
For some reason I've always pictured John Terry when reading Risso's posts. In fact, have they ever been seen together...?

I can't think of anybody I look like less, to be honest!  I used to get mistaken for Wigan rugby league legend, Dennis Betts when I lived in Wigan, if that helps with the mental picture.

I thought you looked a bit like Roman Abramovich. In a nice way.

In the way he looks a bit simple, like?

No. He looks assured, like he's definitely killed a man and been rewarded with a nation's energy supply.

He does, until he smiles. Maybe it's because he's forcing his face to do something his brain doesn't want to, the smile is actually the scarred battlefield of his soul.





And it's the same with Abramovich, baddum-tish!
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Exeter 77 on August 25, 2020, 12:29:03 PM
For some reason I've always pictured John Terry when reading Risso's posts. In fact, have they ever been seen together...?

I can't think of anybody I look like less, to be honest!  I used to get mistaken for Wigan rugby league legend, Dennis Betts when I lived in Wigan, if that helps with the mental picture.
Am I right in thinking it is Dennis Betts who has a sort of Sean Dyche swallowed-a-quarry voice?
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Risso on August 25, 2020, 12:33:20 PM
For some reason I've always pictured John Terry when reading Risso's posts. In fact, have they ever been seen together...?

I can't think of anybody I look like less, to be honest!  I used to get mistaken for Wigan rugby league legend, Dennis Betts when I lived in Wigan, if that helps with the mental picture.
Am I right in thinking it is Dennis Betts who has a sort of Sean Dyche swallowed-a-quarry voice?

Yep

Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Big Ming on August 28, 2020, 12:46:43 PM
Whilst we're all waiting for some exciting signings of our own, it's a comfort to know that John thinks that Thiago Silva signing for Chelsea is good business.

I was worried that he wasn't going to comment.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Clampy on August 28, 2020, 12:54:26 PM
Whilst we're all waiting for some exciting signings of our own, it's a comfort to know that John thinks that Thiago Silva signing for Chelsea is good business.

I was worried that he wasn't going to comment.

I was more worried that you wasn't going to comment.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Big Ming on August 29, 2020, 08:59:20 AM
Whilst we're all waiting for some exciting signings of our own, it's a comfort to know that John thinks that Thiago Silva signing for Chelsea is good business.

I was worried that he wasn't going to comment.

I was more worried that you wasn't going to comment.
Saved you from being worried then.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: N'ZMAV on November 14, 2020, 05:14:12 PM
JT is one of the favourites for the Derby job now apparently.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: eamonn on November 14, 2020, 05:59:51 PM
Nooo! Let Wazza get it.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 14, 2020, 06:00:05 PM
Not surprising. He was criticized by some for how we defended last year. It wasn’t all about him but just as much as the manager wanted us to play. They clearly had a complete change of heart at the break and since we have for the most part been brilliant. Terry will naturally get job offers. Good luck to him if he takes this. I think he will do well.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 14, 2020, 06:06:46 PM
I actually think though that they will give it to Rooney
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: paul_e on November 14, 2020, 06:08:35 PM
I assumed it was promised to him as part of the deal to take him there.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: N'ZMAV on November 14, 2020, 06:17:29 PM
Depends on if the Derby owners and board believe they need a change; Rooney may be like when Wolves appointed Terry Connor to replace Mick McCarthy. :D

I'd prefer them to give it to Rooney.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: darren woolley on November 14, 2020, 06:56:01 PM
With Derby being taken over by the cousin of the Man City owner I would have thought they would go for a big name manager.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: mr underhill on November 15, 2020, 09:04:53 AM
but they can't spend their way out of the pit can they? If so,why would anyone really want it.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: eamonn on November 15, 2020, 10:21:22 AM
They've already done the one big "trick" that we also did  selling the ground and leasing it back. Not sure what other spend lots on players but look solvent quick schemes are open to them.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on November 15, 2020, 10:31:03 AM
New owners means they can spend though I think.  Ours happily spent when they took over.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Lastfootstamper on November 15, 2020, 10:32:59 AM
Unless I'm overlooking something, we didn't buy anyone until after we'd got promoted.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 15, 2020, 10:46:47 AM
New owners means they can spend though I think.  Ours happily spent when they took over.
Don’t think so.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: paul_e on November 15, 2020, 01:27:19 PM
New owners means they can spend though I think.  Ours happily spent when they took over.

They didn't really, we made very few signings in the championship under them. They had to do the stadium flip thing just to fix the mess from the previous 2 seasons. It was once we were promoted that they opened the cheque book.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 20, 2020, 11:40:24 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/nov/20/anton-ferdinand-i-have-kicked-myself-for-years-for-not-speaking-out-john-terry
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Axl Rose on November 21, 2020, 12:25:46 AM
Well done, Anton. That's an emotional piece. Thanks for posting, mate. It's Saturday morning and I have a discussion class that I haven't prepared anything for. Am going to use this article.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Footy-Vill on November 30, 2020, 05:22:46 PM
Anton Ferdinand has a moving documentary on bbc one t 9pm tonight that explores his experience of racism in football, in which he talks for the first time about the infamous incident with John Terry.

The match is on of course but this will be essential viewing so to be recording. Anything other than Villa football match as would watch the programme at transmission.

Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: WarszaVillan on December 01, 2020, 11:08:50 AM
Anton Ferdinand has a moving documentary on bbc one t 9pm tonight that explores his experience of racism in football, in which he talks for the first time about the infamous incident with John Terry.

The match is on of course but this will be essential viewing so to be recording. Anything other than Villa football match as would watch the programme at transmission.



Just watched the documentary, it's quite a tough watch and very emotional. Terry comes accross very badly in this, primarily as he avoided any responsibility for what he has done, rather than facing up to it and appologising (brave JT my arse). There are rumours that he is up for the Derby job. Hopefully this is true and he'll be gone soon.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: OCD on December 01, 2020, 11:38:01 AM
If Terry does take the Derby job, I would like to see Petrov brought into the coaching team as his replacement.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Villan82 on December 01, 2020, 09:20:34 PM
Too much 'shrugging of the shoulders' about this case which shows just how far there is to go.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: CT on December 01, 2020, 09:26:29 PM
That was a powerful hour of TV. The interview with the Kick it Out guy was very interesting.

It looks like Anton’s career went downhill from that very match, and yes, JT doesn't come across at all well in this. It must be difficult at the training ground when I’m sure all our players have watched it.

I’d love Stan Petrov back too.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Steve67 on December 01, 2020, 10:36:22 PM
If Terry does take the Derby job, I would like to see Petrov brought into the coaching team as his replacement.

Or Olof or Martin Laursen, at least they will sort the defence out properly.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: brontebilly on December 01, 2020, 11:20:29 PM
If Terry does take the Derby job, I would like to see Petrov brought into the coaching team as his replacement.

Or Olof or Martin Laursen, at least they will sort the defence out properly.

On what basis?

John Terry was a brilliant player, he was class even for us, but is a deeply flawed character (at best). Puts the club in a very awkward position having such a character on the coaching staff but preaching diversity, black lives matter and all that in public. 
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: paul_e on December 02, 2020, 12:05:26 AM
If Terry does take the Derby job, I would like to see Petrov brought into the coaching team as his replacement.

Or Olof or Martin Laursen, at least they will sort the defence out properly.

Do any of have the credentials to be the right choice for the job? If not then we shouldn't allow the decision to be ruled by sentimentality. We just need to bring in someone who will help improve the squad and can work with who we have already, if that is one of those guys then great.

JT looks a knob from that doc and I suspect most of us thought he was a knob at the time but at Villa he's been respectful and done everything in the right way, on that basis I wouldn't chase him out if he doesn't think this is the right job to go for.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: aldridgeboy on December 02, 2020, 12:14:22 AM
Anton Ferdinand comes over as a throughly good bloke. It clearly affected his career, for something that wasn’t his fault.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: OCD on December 02, 2020, 01:22:20 PM
If Terry does take the Derby job, I would like to see Petrov brought into the coaching team as his replacement.

Or Olof or Martin Laursen, at least they will sort the defence out properly.

Do any of have the credentials to be the right choice for the job? If not then we shouldn't allow the decision to be ruled by sentimentality. We just need to bring in someone who will help improve the squad and can work with who we have already, if that is one of those guys then great.

JT looks a knob from that doc and I suspect most of us thought he was a knob at the time but at Villa he's been respectful and done everything in the right way, on that basis I wouldn't chase him out if he doesn't think this is the right job to go for.

My original post was based on their being a vacancy for an apprentice coach who has an association with the club, has their badges and would be a leader. Smith has his 2 senior coaches and I like there being another coach who's closer to the player's age and is more recently retired. Mellberg and Laursen may fulfill these credentials too but I just think Petrov would be the better fit.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: KevinGage on December 02, 2020, 06:46:35 PM
Like most at the time, I thought the defence of his use of the term didn't ring true. But even if we go with that line, to bellow that kind of phrase in a public space (which a football ground is, despite also being his work place) in any circumstance is shit.

That said, Terry has often cited Desailly as one of his key influences in breaking through at Chelsea. Both on the pitch, and maximising every training session.

We ourselves benefited from some of that when Terry arrived and we developed a long overdue professionalism, evidenced by the progress of Grealish and others.

Maybe he's a deep seated racist, or maybe he was just parroting phrases he would have heard all to often in the part of the world he grew up. Brainfart/ moment of madness whatever.

Strong characters like Drogba, Grabban, Mings et al don't seem to have had a problem with him over the years.

That in itself doesn't mean he can't be racist, ofc. But more would have come out if he was continually suspect in that area.


Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: brontebilly on December 02, 2020, 07:26:12 PM
Anton Ferdinand comes over as a throughly good bloke. It clearly affected his career, for something that wasn’t his fault.

Yeah it's quite sad really as a few years later with BLM etc and Terry would most likely have been fired. What I don't get is the inability of his high profile brother to have caused a shit storm of epic proportions back then. Likes of Ashley Cole backing Terry didn't help matters. FA/Capello/Hodgson all acted disgracefully, if I recall correctly they didn't pick Rio so as not to cause issues with Terry? Capello walked when the FA took the easy option of removing the captaincy from Terry? Another high profile racist scumbag, Suarez, backed shamefully by his club at the time then too.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: luke95 on December 02, 2020, 07:42:48 PM
Let's not forget Terry was found NOT Guilty of racism by a criminal court.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: paul_e on December 02, 2020, 10:12:22 PM
Let's not forget Terry was found NOT Guilty of racism by a criminal court.

On the basis that there was not enough footage to prove that his defence was incorrect, he did say the phrase, which is bad enough. That said, as I posted before, I do believe everyone has the right to 'fix' themselves and by all accounts Terry has tried to do so and, as above, people like Mings wouldn't shy away from calling him out if he was guilty of further cases.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: sid1964 on December 03, 2020, 08:12:32 AM
I wonder how Mings will react to Terry if he watches the Documentary?
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: robbo1874 on December 03, 2020, 08:19:13 AM
If Terry does take the Derby job, I would like to see Petrov brought into the coaching team as his replacement.

Or Olof or Martin Laursen, at least they will sort the defence out properly.

Do any of have the credentials to be the right choice for the job? If not then we shouldn't allow the decision to be ruled by sentimentality. We just need to bring in someone who will help improve the squad and can work with who we have already, if that is one of those guys then great.

JT looks a knob from that doc and I suspect most of us thought he was a knob at the time but at Villa he's been respectful and done everything in the right way, on that basis I wouldn't chase him out if he doesn't think this is the right job to go for.
can’t disagree with any of that Paul. I didn’t want him, but he won me over. Haven’t seen the doco so can’t comment on it.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Mister E on December 03, 2020, 09:36:11 AM
I wonder how Mings will react to Terry if he watches the Documentary?
Hmmmm, indeed.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Damo70 on December 03, 2020, 04:24:29 PM
I was at Acorns when Villa did their Christmas visit a few years back. Most of the players just hung around the place like spare parts (admittedly it can be a bit daunting when you meet all the poorly kids) but John Terry made sure he spoke to every kid and parent (or grandparent in my case). In doing so he even held up the team bus's departure much to the annoyance of the PR woman coordinating the visit who clearly couldn't wait to wrap things up and get going. He also befriended my son and took an interest in his fledgling catering career when Terry was staying at the hotel my son worked at. I haven't actually watched the Anton Ferdinand documentary yet but I have it lined on on the BBC iplayer.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Ben.H on December 03, 2020, 06:07:30 PM
Anton Ferdinand comes over as a throughly good bloke. It clearly affected his career, for something that wasn’t his fault.

Yeah it's quite sad really as a few years later with BLM etc and Terry would most likely have been fired. What I don't get is the inability of his high profile brother to have caused a shit storm of epic proportions back then. Likes of Ashley Cole backing Terry didn't help matters. FA/Capello/Hodgson all acted disgracefully, if I recall correctly they didn't pick Rio so as not to cause issues with Terry? Capello walked when the FA took the easy option of removing the captaincy from Terry? Another high profile racist scumbag, Suarez, backed shamefully by his club at the time then too.
I thought the FA came out of it a little better than that: after removing the captaincy from Terry they still subjected him to a disciplinary hearing despite him being found not guilty in a criminal court at which point they could easily have brushed it under the carpet.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: CT on December 03, 2020, 07:17:28 PM
I was at Acorns when Villa did their Christmas visit a few years back. Most of the players just hung around the place like spare parts (admittedly it can be a bit daunting when you meet all the poorly kids) but John Terry made sure he spoke to every kid and parent (or grandparent in my case). In doing so he even held up the team bus's departure much to the annoyance of the PR woman coordinating the visit who clearly couldn't wait to wrap things up and get going. He also befriended my son and took an interest in his fledgling catering career when Terry was staying at the hotel my son worked at. I haven't actually watched the Anton Ferdinand documentary yet but I have it lined on on the BBC iplayer.

Funny you should say that Damo, but away from the documentary, obviously, I remember Bolton away the season we came up.

We had a very rare occurrence of being at a ground early so we decided to see the players turn up. I was surprised how many were head down and straight in, considering the feel good factor at the time.

Only John Terry and John McGinn stopped and had time for everyone.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: dave shelley on February 10, 2021, 03:55:18 PM
According to SSN he's on the shortlist of four to become new manager of Bournemouth.  It might just suit him being a bit closer to London.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: KevinGage on February 10, 2021, 04:16:29 PM
It's over two and a half hours from Bournemouth to London, so he won't be saving much (if any) time if that's the motivation.

The appeal of going it alone must be strong. Depends as well what they'll allow him in terms of strengthening the side and autonomy.

But - unless it was one of the traditional big clubs you just can't say no to - going in midway through the season isn't giving yourself the best chance of success.

For his first gig, he may be better going in with a full pre season. Ideally not to a club that have big question marks over them financially as well.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: andyh on February 10, 2021, 04:25:29 PM
They are riding high in the table, a good chance of making the playoffs at least.
There will still be a good base there after Howe left, it’s a decent club with a great recent history. No ginormous fan base to put you under pressure.
It seems a great step into management.

I think it would suit him down to the ground if they offered it to him and he feels he is ready.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Damo70 on February 10, 2021, 04:33:17 PM
I think the Bournemouth fans were spoiled by their time in the Premier League under Howe given the size of the club. I can't see any manager equaling the success he had there. They are a smaller club even in the Championship but after a few seasons in the Premier League their fans will at best expect Premier League football or at worst to be doing well in the Championship.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: wittonwarrior on February 10, 2021, 06:07:48 PM
It’s woodgates no doubt. Not a bad job to dodge as stated above would be near impossible to match howes time there
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on February 10, 2021, 06:54:04 PM
Think they just said on the Beeb that JT has dropped out of the running!
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: nigel on February 10, 2021, 06:59:50 PM
I think he’ll want to see this season out, especially as we’re doing so well.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Villafirst on February 10, 2021, 07:55:23 PM
Bournemouth were mad to part company with Eddie Howe. JT is doing well this season, I'd rather he stayed at VP.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Lizz on February 10, 2021, 09:11:21 PM
I think JT is more sensible than I expected him to be, in that he hasn't gone down the Frank Lampard route (yet).
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: manic-road on February 10, 2021, 09:18:14 PM
Bournemouth were mad to part company with Eddie Howe. JT is doing well this season, I'd rather he stayed at VP.

It was Eddie Howes decision to leave so Bournemouth didn't have much say.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: olaftab on February 10, 2021, 09:33:12 PM
I won't shed a tear if he goes but don't understand why he should go to Bournemouth if he has ambition. Bournemouth are a natural third tier club who somehow managed to leapfrog into the top division for a few season but they remain a very small outfit with no significant fan base. If they are not promoted this season their finances will cripple them and they will knock around in the Championship for a couple of seasons before disappearing into League 1. I would have thought Terry is better suited to mid size clubs like Norwich, Blackburn,  West Brom, Wolves, Derby, Forest even Coventry etc.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: brian green on February 10, 2021, 09:52:03 PM
If JT goes to Coventry go out and buy a lottery ticket Aftab.  You have become blessed with second sight.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 10, 2021, 10:05:03 PM
Why would he go to Bournemouth?
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: SoccerHQ on February 10, 2021, 10:11:52 PM
Crystal Palace might be outside bet end of the season given he lives about 20 minutes away from their training ground although that would be a tough gig aswell with their squad.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: mike on February 10, 2021, 11:14:15 PM
If JT goes to Coventry go out and buy a lottery ticket Aftab.  You have become blessed with second sight.

Maybe he doesn't want do Too Much Too Young (à la Frank.)
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 11, 2021, 12:22:03 AM
Blues would be a good fit when Karanka goes.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 11, 2021, 05:30:44 AM
More likely to take a recently relegated club from the PL in the summer.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Allan C on February 11, 2021, 07:54:24 AM
I think he’s doing what most people say a good manager should do, learning his trade under another manager before going it alone. He’s getting a great apprenticeship with us and he’s seen the struggles and the pressures at first hand that come with the job. Others haven’t done that and they tend to fail
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: robbo1874 on February 11, 2021, 08:38:20 AM
I don’t see Terry as a manager really. Not yet at least, maybe one day. He’s still young enough to properly learn his trade and on a really good wicket at Villa. He’d be learning heaps from smith and co. Bit too soon for him I think.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: brian green on February 11, 2021, 08:53:45 AM
Villa is an excellent club for him and he knows it.  He is learning what football is about outside the coccoon of being a football player.  He is learning from Dean Smith and it is particularly valuable to Terry because Dean himself is still learning.  Dean has not morphed into a know all bully the way many successful managers do.  Ferguson for example.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Drummond on February 11, 2021, 09:09:51 AM
Villa is an excellent club for him and he knows it.  He is learning what football is about outside the coccoon of being a football player.  He is learning from Dean Smith and it is particularly valuable to Terry because Dean himself is still learning.  Dean has not morphed into a know all bully the way many successful managers do.  Ferguson for example.

And let's face it, what better club to learn at? Huge club with massive support and all the pressure and expectation that goes with it..

We really don't hear much from, or about, him either, it's all very much in the background.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: robbo1874 on February 11, 2021, 09:12:02 AM
If JT goes to Coventry go out and buy a lottery ticket Aftab.  You have become blessed with second sight.

Maybe he doesn't want do Too Much Too Young (à la Frank.)
if it all goes wrong he’ll be wondering now, what do, when he knows this is the end.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: cannock villa on February 11, 2021, 12:18:56 PM
Villa is an excellent club for him and he knows it.  He is learning what football is about outside the coccoon of being a football player.  He is learning from Dean Smith and it is particularly valuable to Terry because Dean himself is still learning.  Dean has not morphed into a know all bully the way many successful managers do.  Ferguson for example.

Always thought Fergie was quite progressive for an old un. Always developing his style and taking on different progressive assistant managers
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Brazilian Villain on March 04, 2021, 10:48:53 PM
Buried his nan today. https://www.instagram.com/johnterry.26/
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: jwarry on May 22, 2021, 06:38:10 AM
Good interview in The Times today.  He clearly loves the club but admits he wants to manage Chelsea some day.  Apparently has one year left on his contract with us.  Oh and he ain’t keen on Spurs!
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: john2710 on May 22, 2021, 06:59:49 AM
I don’t think it’s any coincidence that Jack has become the athlete & performer he has since Terry’s arrival. Obviously you can’t say for certain but Terry would have shown Jack the level of dedication needed to perform as an elite sportsman.

In turn, hopefully this is being passed on the likes of Barry, the Ramsay’s & Chukwuemeka.

I think that’s where Terry’s biggest influence lies. If you’re a young footballer, who better to have around?

Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Allan C on May 22, 2021, 01:32:42 PM
It’s the first time I’ve bought a news paper in about 15 years after hearing about JT’s interview in The Times today. It’s a really good read and I’d recommend it. It’s very obvious that he loves it here and I hope he signs an extension
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: LeeB on May 22, 2021, 01:44:17 PM
There was a point last season where it was questioned what he bought to us as a coach. I think the improvements seen in all of our defenders this season have put that to rest.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 22, 2021, 02:05:34 PM
It’s the first time I’ve bought a news paper in about 15 years after hearing about JT’s interview in The Times today. It’s a really good read and I’d recommend it. It’s very obvious that he loves it here and I hope he signs an extension

Cheers, will seek it out. Like the headline quote from JT  "I’d love to manage a top club, but I’d turn down Spurs’". ;D
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: OCD on May 22, 2021, 02:51:12 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if he managed us one day.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 22, 2021, 05:03:39 PM
He’s been nothing but the consummate professional since coming to us as a player and coach. And I cannot imagine how it hasn’t rubbed off positively on the club at every level to have someone around who has won so much.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Damo70 on May 22, 2021, 05:28:32 PM
He’s been nothing but the consummate professional since coming to us as a player and coach. And I cannot imagine how it hasn’t rubbed off positively on the club at every level to have someone around who has won so much.

I have mentioned more than once on here how he took an interest in my sons career as a trainee chef when my son was working at The Belfry and Terry was staying there. Also how he made sure that during a Villa Christmas
party visit at Acorns he made sure he spoke to every member of the Acorns staff, all of the kids and all of the kids families. This was despite the female Villa employee who was in charge of the visit trying to rush through the visit as quickly as possible.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: danno on May 22, 2021, 05:42:01 PM
There was a point last season where it was questioned what he bought to us as a coach. I think the improvements seen in all of our defenders this season have put that to rest.

As acting president of the Craig Shakespeare fan club, I reject the implications the above post makes. Terry was here last season and our defending was pants. Top man Craig arrived this season and sorted it out.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Ad@m on May 22, 2021, 05:46:27 PM
It’s the first time I’ve bought a news paper in about 15 years after hearing about JT’s interview in The Times today. It’s a really good read and I’d recommend it. It’s very obvious that he loves it here and I hope he signs an extension

Cheers, will seek it out. Like the headline quote from JT  "I’d love to manage a top club, but I’d turn down Spurs’". ;D

If he wants to manage a top club, turning down Spurs kind of goes without saying!!!
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 22, 2021, 05:58:24 PM
There was a point last season where it was questioned what he bought to us as a coach. I think the improvements seen in all of our defenders this season have put that to rest.

As acting president of the Craig Shakespeare fan club, I reject the implications the above post makes. Terry was here last season and our defending was pants. Top man Craig arrived this season and sorted it out.

You might want to look at the manager and how he was trying to play every game as a big part as to why the defence was pants. The tactics were incredibly naive and especially when you consider how many goals we conceded late on. I am sure Terry has made mistakes as a coach as he learned on the job. But Targett, Mings and most certainly Konsa are better than last year. Even Hause never lets us down. And that we defend better as a team isn’t just Terry but Dean Smith as well as he realized you cannot be that open all the time at this level. And yes I am sure Craig Shakespeare has added knowledge and wisdom too. It’s been a collective effort aided also by the arrivals of Emi and Cash.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: danno on May 22, 2021, 06:05:34 PM
There was a point last season where it was questioned what he bought to us as a coach. I think the improvements seen in all of our defenders this season have put that to rest.

As acting president of the Craig Shakespeare fan club, I reject the implications the above post makes. Terry was here last season and our defending was pants. Top man Craig arrived this season and sorted it out.

You might want to look at the manager and how he was trying to play every game as a big part as to why the defence was pants. The tactics were incredibly naive and especially when you consider how many goals we conceded late on. I am sure Terry has made mistakes as a coach as he learned on the job. But Targett, Mings and most certainly Konsa are better than last year. Even Hause never lets us down. And that we defend better as a team isn’t just Terry but Dean Smith as well as he realized you cannot be that open all the time at this level. And yes I am sure Craig Shakespeare has added knowledge and wisdom too. It’s been a collective effort aided also by the arrivals of Emi and Cash.

I also think Souness was right, and that the groundsmen deserve credit for cutting the grass slightly longer.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: algy on May 22, 2021, 06:36:30 PM
He’s been nothing but the consummate professional since coming to us as a player and coach. And I cannot imagine how it hasn’t rubbed off positively on the club at every level to have someone around who has won so much.

I have mentioned more than once on here how he took an interest in my sons career as a trainee chef when my son was working at The Belfry and Terry was staying there. Also how he made sure that during a Villa Christmas
party visit at Acorns he made sure he spoke to every member of the Acorns staff, all of the kids and all of the kids families. This was despite the female Villa employee who was in charge of the visit trying to rush through the visit as quickly as possible.
Story that deserves being repeatedly told though. Had my misgivings about him when he joined, but you have to say he's been a model pro & an absolute credit to the club.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Ian. on May 22, 2021, 07:47:33 PM
Terry and Snodgrass were fantastic that season in the 2nd division. Proper decent hard working footballers who seemed to both get the Villa from the off.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: LukeJames on May 22, 2021, 09:09:57 PM
Wondered about this at the beginning. Couldnt of been more wrong, been nothing short of exemplary since stepping through the door. The ultimate professional.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: RamboandBruno on May 22, 2021, 09:10:21 PM
He’s been nothing but the consummate professional since coming to us as a player and coach. And I cannot imagine how it hasn’t rubbed off positively on the club at every level to have someone around who has won so much.

I have mentioned more than once on here how he took an interest in my sons career as a trainee chef when my son was working at The Belfry and Terry was staying there. Also how he made sure that during a Villa Christmas
party visit at Acorns he made sure he spoke to every member of the Acorns staff, all of the kids and all of the kids families. This was despite the female Villa employee who was in charge of the visit trying to rush through the visit as quickly as possible.
Story that deserves being repeatedly told though. Had my misgivings about him when he joined, but you have to say he's been a model pro & an absolute credit to the club.

That is worth knowing and repeating. Most people do some bad shit in their lives and some good stuff too, life’s complicated and all that, it’s obviously magnified with top footballers.
I never liked him without knowing him, but have to say I’ve been hugely impressed with how he’s essentially kept out of the limelight, virtually never providing quotes or interviews in the media, never once looking like he could undermine Smith, which could of happened with his much bigger media profile.
And the post about him and Snodgrass in 2017/2018 is bang on.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: FatSam on May 22, 2021, 09:15:10 PM
I think I heard on the Football Ramble that Spurs fans were singing that Lesley King was better than him on Sunday, and Terry’s reaction was to go out of the dugout and hold up an imaginary trophy. Top bantz.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: clash city rocker on May 22, 2021, 09:21:03 PM
I think I heard on the Football Ramble that Spurs fans were singing that Lesley King was better than him on Sunday, and Terry’s reaction was to go out of the dugout and hold up an imaginary trophy. Top bantz.

Yep. My daughter showed me that
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: LukeJames on May 22, 2021, 09:29:59 PM
He updated his social media after Wednesday night saying "New stadium, same old 3 points". They hate him, he has them on strings as the kids say.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 22, 2021, 01:38:12 PM
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John Terry has graduated from the prestigious FA Level 5 UEFA Pro Licence course - the highest attainable football management qualification - following a ceremony in Windsor last night.

https://twitter.com/avfc_news/status/1407270537164951558?s=21

Well done. He has decided to go through his badges while learning under an experienced manager. Not just jump in like so many others do. I’m sure he’s had lots of offers. When he does go he will be so much more prepared for a role in management.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: paul_e on June 22, 2021, 02:51:31 PM
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John Terry has graduated from the prestigious FA Level 5 UEFA Pro Licence course - the highest attainable football management qualification - following a ceremony in Windsor last night.

https://twitter.com/avfc_news/status/1407270537164951558?s=21

Well done. He has decided to go through his badges while learning under an experienced manager. Not just jump in like so many others do. I’m sure he’s had lots of offers. When he does go he will be so much more prepared for a role in management.

He was the keynote speaker at a conference I went to a couple of years ago delivering a speech on leadership. Most of it was about his playing career but towards the end he had a few minutes about the future and he was pretty clear that he didn't see 'jumping the queue' as a sign of good leadership and felt he needed to take his time learning as a coach and then see when he felt ready to step up and be a manager on merit as a coach not on merit as a player/name. It was not long before the play off win and he went up in my estimation a lot as a result. It's nice to see that he's following through with it.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: robbo1874 on June 24, 2021, 10:43:34 PM
Quote
John Terry has graduated from the prestigious FA Level 5 UEFA Pro Licence course - the highest attainable football management qualification - following a ceremony in Windsor last night.

https://twitter.com/avfc_news/status/1407270537164951558?s=21

Well done. He has decided to go through his badges while learning under an experienced manager. Not just jump in like so many others do. I’m sure he’s had lots of offers. When he does go he will be so much more prepared for a role in management.
I wonder if he rocked up in full kit to accept the award?

Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Demitri_C on June 25, 2021, 06:52:47 AM
I have  afeeling he will move on in next 12 months and give it a go at management.

In my opinion JT should stick around here, I think once smith left JT could take over. Obviously i dont expect that to be any time soon, but wouldnt suprise me if smith continued the way he was England dont start come calling.


Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: eamonn on June 25, 2021, 11:58:10 AM
Our Ashley, I say our Ashley, will be our new Terry. Youngy will do his badges and remain a Villan.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: sickbeggar on June 27, 2021, 10:09:26 AM
End of the day he doesn't need the money or possibly the stress of being a Manager. He may actually enjoy just being a coach and working with the players.  He's certainly a character who's main influence is in the dressing room, and a manager's role is much more detached from that. It's not inconceivable when Southgate has finished arsing up the England team, that he could follow Smith as his No.2
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: robbo1874 on June 27, 2021, 10:26:09 AM
End of the day he doesn't need the money or possibly the stress of being a Manager. He may actually enjoy just being a coach and working with the players.  He's certainly a character who's main influence is in the dressing room, and a manager's role is much more detached from that. It's not inconceivable when Southgate has finished arsing up the England team, that he could follow Smith as his No.2
Terry’s on a good wicket at Villa and I’m sure he knows it. I doubt he’ll be off anywhere, anytime soon.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: sid1964 on June 27, 2021, 10:43:45 AM
Agree about Terry, I could hand out and collect the bibs and put out the cones - easy money!

One day he will be gone from our club and I will have a drink and celebrate- i cannot understand why we still employ him after what he said?
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 27, 2021, 10:45:13 AM
Agree about Terry, I could hand out and collect the bibs and put out the cones - easy money!

One day he will be gone from our club and I will have a drink and celebrate- i cannot understand why we still employ him after what he said?

Yeh I’m sure that’s all he does.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Demitri_C on June 27, 2021, 11:36:51 AM
Agree about Terry, I could hand out and collect the bibs and put out the cones - easy money!

One day he will be gone from our club and I will have a drink and celebrate- i cannot understand why we still employ him after what he said?

What did he say?
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: CT on June 27, 2021, 11:50:20 AM
Agree about Terry, I could hand out and collect the bibs and put out the cones - easy money!

One day he will be gone from our club and I will have a drink and celebrate- i cannot understand why we still employ him after what he said?

I did bibs and cones as part of my youth coaching for 10 years.

If only I’d known that was all that was needed for the FA Level 5 UEFA Pro Licence, I would have definitely carried on with the FA courses.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 27, 2021, 06:06:05 PM
Agree about Terry, I could hand out and collect the bibs and put out the cones - easy money!

One day he will be gone from our club and I will have a drink and celebrate- i cannot understand why we still employ him after what he said?

What did he say?

He’s still banging on about the Anton Ferdinand thing.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 27, 2021, 06:28:54 PM
Agree about Terry, I could hand out and collect the bibs and put out the cones - easy money!

One day he will be gone from our club and I will have a drink and celebrate- i cannot understand why we still employ him after what he said?

What did he say?

He’s still banging on about the Anton Ferdinand thing.

As well he should. I'm all for redemption and second, third, fourth chances, but to qualify for them you need to own and apologise for what you've done. He hasn't.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Damo70 on June 27, 2021, 06:42:55 PM
Our Ashley, I say our Ashley, will be our new Terry. Youngy will do his badges and remain a Villan.

Q. Why shouldn't you ever eat Fred Elliott's sausages?

A. Because they always repeat on you, I say they always repeat on you.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: mr underhill on June 28, 2021, 08:48:46 AM
and you can colour that anyway you like.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 06, 2021, 03:19:48 PM
John Terry on Management: "I’m not just going to jump into anything. I’ve turned down two jobs since I’ve been here. Decent-sized clubs. But it’s going to take something special for me to leave here." #avfc
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: olaftab on July 06, 2021, 03:24:27 PM
He's starting to win me over....just starting ;D
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: eamonn on July 06, 2021, 03:33:04 PM
It's just Sexual Ealing left, then we'll all be eating out of Terry's hand.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 06, 2021, 03:36:51 PM
It's just Sexual Ealing left, then we'll all be eating out of Terry's hand.

You'll be waiting a while.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 06, 2021, 04:23:49 PM
It's just Sexual Ealing left, then we'll all be eating out of Terry's hand.

You'll be waiting a while.

I can just imagine you singing now 'And when I get that feeling, it's John Terry healing, let's go out tonight.'
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 06, 2021, 04:46:24 PM
It's just Sexual Ealing left, then we'll all be eating out of Terry's hand.

You'll be waiting a while.

I can just imagine you singing now 'And when I get that feeling, it's because John Terry's leaving, let's go out tonight.'

Fixed.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 06, 2021, 06:25:46 PM
Lol as the kids don't say.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 26, 2021, 10:48:43 AM
https://twitter.com/JamesNursey/status/1419595127241199617

When I get that feeling, it's because John Terry's leaving.
Title: John Terry Left
Post by: Flamingo Lane on July 26, 2021, 10:49:48 AM
Officially announced by the club, a few minutes ago.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Dave on July 26, 2021, 10:50:20 AM
Now confirmed by the club that he's left.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Joe S on July 26, 2021, 10:54:15 AM
Some bookies have suspended betting on JT to Swansea.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 26, 2021, 10:55:44 AM
It's a real shame.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Goldie.7 on July 26, 2021, 10:56:16 AM
Big presence around the place gone, kinda sad tbh.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Monty on July 26, 2021, 10:56:33 AM
Huh wow, that was sudden.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: frank black on July 26, 2021, 10:56:56 AM
Strange was to go about it if he’s going to another job
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Mellin on July 26, 2021, 10:57:12 AM
Absolutely convinced he played a big part in reversing the attitude of the dressing room. When John Terry and his professionalism walk into the changing room all the gobshites take a back seat. An astute signing and thanks for the service.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: PeterWithe on July 26, 2021, 10:58:03 AM
I think more of him now than I did when he arrived. Good luck to him.

A much better player than I ever thought he was.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Joe S on July 26, 2021, 10:59:07 AM
If he doesn't take a job it's a little strange he didn't do this before pre-season started. They are talking on radio as if he might take some time out, only by dissecting his comments etc so pinch of salt and all that. Hopefully not a big issue for our coaching set up but no denying our defence record has recently looked pretty good.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: richtheholtender on July 26, 2021, 10:59:33 AM
And the defensive unit of last season and back end of the one before.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: simboy on July 26, 2021, 11:00:24 AM
Huh wow, that was sudden.


Not really. That appears to be how this regime do their business. Behind closed doors, no silly twitter emojis, get in and sort it out, and then tell the world.

Good luck to him. 
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: OCD on July 26, 2021, 11:02:31 AM
I suspect he'll be back as a manager for us at some point in the future.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: john e on July 26, 2021, 11:02:59 AM
Whispers said on Twitter three days ago he was having conversations
but was Remaining as of then
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: bilsim on July 26, 2021, 11:04:07 AM
You only need look at the first few pages of this thread to see how unpopular he was coming in, but the impact he's had is undeniable and I will always think of him fondly for exactly that reason. Good luck John.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Mister E on July 26, 2021, 11:05:07 AM
I'm looking forward to Chris Jameson's first return-post.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Joe S on July 26, 2021, 11:06:29 AM
Good luck to him though.
I always quite liked how he stuck to coaching and learned the ropes behind others whilst his peers (Lampard, Rooney, et al) were jumping straight into management.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on July 26, 2021, 11:06:58 AM
Disappointed.

Was very surprised how good he was playing for us, and was a model professional and very respectful of the club. I wish home luck and hope we get someone equally good at drilling the defence.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: darren woolley on July 26, 2021, 11:10:11 AM
Good luck to JT.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: sickbeggar on July 26, 2021, 11:10:54 AM
Done his apprenticeship I guess. Lots of other players wouldn't have bothered but he's seen all aspects of management from a successful team to one fighting for survival. Should stand him in good stead. Always behaved impeccably both on and off the pitch for us.  Best of luck to him.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: baddowvillans on July 26, 2021, 11:13:32 AM
I thought he was an outstanding signing as a player and his experience in his own play, managing team mates - including bollocking them when  required - I think changed the minds of many on here.  For me his biggest value - and what we often miss now - was his ability to manage referee's.  Not sure he made the same impact of the field but I certainly wish him well for the future.
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: Risso on July 26, 2021, 11:17:08 AM
I'm stragely saddened by that. I had similar levels of contempt for him before he joined us that I felt for the likes of Dennis Wise, possibly even more so, but he's kept his head down and got on with learning his trade.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: Moonraker on July 26, 2021, 11:21:59 AM
Share the same emotions as most people on here. Didnt want him at the start but now have total respect for the bloke. He contributed to our revival and thank him for that. If he comes back to VP as manager of another side, he will get the appreciation he deserves.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: sid1964 on July 26, 2021, 11:23:15 AM
Wonder if he took his felt tips with him ?

Good luck I am sure that he will turn up at Swansea - but personally not too disappointed.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on July 26, 2021, 11:24:20 AM
Strange to be leaving now, just a few weeks before the new, potentially exciting season of even further progress...clearly has something even more special than AVFC lined up, in his view.
Hope it's not connected with the Jack situation.
All the best to him whatever he does. I think he's been good for us and we've been brilliant for him.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: Meanwood Villa on July 26, 2021, 11:26:22 AM
Fair play to him he's always spoken well of us and no reason to believe he hasn't given his all. Always hard to judge the impact of assistant managers/coaches. Hopefully he wasn't the vital cog.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: Demitri_C on July 26, 2021, 11:26:34 AM
A big thank you to you JT. You have been a brilliant coach for us. Wish you all the best for the future.  May see you back as manager one day who knows!
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: Mister E on July 26, 2021, 11:27:24 AM
Lovely statement on the club website.
https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2021/july/Villa-confirm-John-Terry-departure/
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: Flin5tone on July 26, 2021, 11:27:41 AM
Absolute Disaster for the Club just a few weeks before the start of the new season.
We need to get a big name in ASAP , always thought Terry was a good pull for signing players.

If Jack goes this could be a tragic summer
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: SaddVillan on July 26, 2021, 11:27:50 AM
Clearly thinks he's done enough at Villa to get a job elsewhere, either at a "bigger" club as an assistant or something that in his mind approximates to a step up; or a manager/coaching role as no.1 elsewhere and wants to be in a position to apply for whatever job comes up that he fancies without compensation payments to Villa getting in the way.

Up to Villa to find a replacement defensive coach. Equally as important to player signings
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: Joe S on July 26, 2021, 11:28:16 AM
I heard Martin Laursen speak during the Euros and he came across knowledgeable and the discussion also included some Villa 'fondness' etc. Based on not a lot someone like that would be a nice sentimental replacement, he might be a naff coach though (I've no idea) !

Deano will no doubt has some preferred candidates and let's hope he's allowed to mould things as he wants them.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: Brend'Watkins on July 26, 2021, 11:29:27 AM
He helped us and we helped him. I didn't hate him like some and always had an admiration for what he achieved and let's face it he has done pretty well in football.  Even so, he has blemished that for being a full kit wanker.  Will be interesting to see how his managerial career pans out.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: Smithy on July 26, 2021, 11:31:23 AM
Absolute Disaster for the Club just a few weeks before the start of the new season.
We need to get a big name in ASAP , always thought Terry was a good pull for signing players.

If Jack goes this could be a tragic summer

I can't tell if this is satire or not?

Shame to lose him, but it was always going to happen one day.  He said fro day one he wanted to be a manager, but to learn his trade before jumping in.  Well, he's had 3 years as an assistant, so I'd have thought now was as good a time as any to look for a job as the boss elsewhere.

I actually respect his decision to leave now, rather than spend the season 'considering' job offers as they arise.  Much better for us, I think, and he could easily have stayed with one eye on the exit. I appreciate that.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: Drummond on July 26, 2021, 11:31:46 AM
Absolute Disaster for the Club just a few weeks before the start of the new season.
We need to get a big name in ASAP , always thought Terry was a good pull for signing players.

If Jack goes this could be a tragic summer

Why is it a disaster? What has he brought?
Title: Re: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: algy on July 26, 2021, 11:33:33 AM
I'm stragely saddened by that. I had similar levels of contempt for him before he joined us that I felt for the likes of Dennis Wise, possibly even more so, but he's kept his head down and got on with learning his trade.
Yeah, same with me.  Wouldn't have predicted this when he joined, but I'm a bit disappointed that he's off.


Best of luck to the guy.  Hope his & Villa's paths cross again at some point.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: robbo1874 on July 26, 2021, 11:35:37 AM
Can’t really knock the bloke for what he did while he was here. Came in as a fairly unpopular player signing, helped get us promoted. And left as a coach with our best defensive record for years being achieved. Wish him well wherever he turns up next.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: Villa Lew on July 26, 2021, 11:36:49 AM
Strange he left it this late to make the decision, I wish him well.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: The Edge on July 26, 2021, 11:37:14 AM
Absolute Disaster for the Club just a few weeks before the start of the new season.
We need to get a big name in ASAP , always thought Terry was a good pull for signing players.

If Jack goes this could be a tragic summer
Oh leave it out will you? Disaster? Hardly. We've been top heavy since Craig Shakespeare arrived and if they feel a replacement is needed for JT they will be all over it. They know what they're doing. And why bring Jack into it? Do you enjoy making yourself depressed? What will be will be but NO player is bigger than the club.
As for JT well I wish him all the best. He's been nothing but a model professional since he arrived in B6 and he's been instrumental in changing round the attitude within the club. We no longer settle for half hearted on the pitch or off it. Embrace it mate you might actually enjoy it.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 26, 2021, 11:40:33 AM
Oh dear, how sad. Not sure who we will get to replace him. Nigel Farage?
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: Axl Rose on July 26, 2021, 11:43:20 AM
Bye John.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 26, 2021, 11:43:31 AM
I think the statement on the Club website sums it up.
He has been respectful and professional in his time with us and goes with my best wishes.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: john e on July 26, 2021, 11:43:58 AM
He definitely stayed longer than I ever thought he would
And I think he’s been a positive influence throughout that time

So I can’t say any fairer than that
Having said that I’m not despairing about him leaving too much
as others have said it was going to happen anyway at some point

We do like an assistant coach we did have three which I think is a bit unusual
I do like the fact that Dean Smith has got a few options and different opinions to Call on




Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: SamTheMouse on July 26, 2021, 11:45:59 AM
Disappointed to see him go, as he's done a great job for us and conducted himself impeccably, whatever may have happened in the past.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: chrisw1 on July 26, 2021, 11:48:39 AM
I wish him well.  I think he's made a big contribution to the club whilst he was here, and whatever his background he seems to have conducted himself well whilst with us.

It's dissapointing as we are clearly on an upwards trajectory and any disruption is unhelpful.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 26, 2021, 11:50:13 AM
He was a candle in the wind.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 26, 2021, 11:54:08 AM
The good news is that, even though he's gone, he will still turn up to collect any trophies we win.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: RamboandBruno on July 26, 2021, 11:56:53 AM
I wish him well.  I think he's made a big contribution to the club whilst he was here, and whatever his background he seems to have conducted himself well whilst with us.

It's dissapointing as we are clearly on an upwards trajectory and any disruption is unhelpful.

Yea this. Don’t like the disruption, everything seemed a lot more straightforward and calmer last summer, but maybe that’s just memories playing tricks.
Remember VP going mad the day he got Benteke sent off playing for Chelski, last home game probably 2014, but then he got carried off injured later, the irony. So didn’t really want him, but he was excellent as a player/captain in 2017/2018. Dunno what his influence as coach has been but the fact he has kept out of the limelight and been understated has been impressive. Clearly was Purslows choice as the number two when Smith got appointed, so will be interesting who Smith decides he wants now.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: Stu on July 26, 2021, 11:58:28 AM
We want Chris
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: LeeB on July 26, 2021, 11:59:08 AM
I couldn't stand the bloke but rated him as a player, and even more so when he came to us at that level despite his age.

Despite his baggage he's been excellent for us, for me his impact more than probably any individual changed us from being a fucking shambles, in the Graham Taylor sense of the word, to a proper, professional outfit, on the pitch at least.

The improvement of each of our defenders speaks volumes for his coaching, I wish him well.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: in exile on July 26, 2021, 12:01:36 PM
Thanks for everything John.
Good luck for the future.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on July 26, 2021, 12:02:25 PM
Didn’t like him before he joined us - full kit wanking racist wife nobber, was surprised at how good a player he was, kept his head down, seemed to do a decent job (assistant head coach or defensive coach?). Got as much out of us, career wise, as we got from him and I can go back to disliking him now. Always liked the fact that the biggest home attendance he ever played in front of was when he joined us. Hope he now realises what a big club we are
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: LeeB on July 26, 2021, 12:04:18 PM
I wish him well.  I think he's made a big contribution to the club whilst he was here, and whatever his background he seems to have conducted himself well whilst with us.

It's dissapointing as we are clearly on an upwards trajectory and any disruption is unhelpful.

Yea this. Don’t like the disruption, everything seemed a lot more straightforward and calmer last summer, but maybe that’s just memories playing tricks.
Remember VP going mad the day he got Benteke sent off playing for Chelski, last home game probably 2014, but then he got carried off injured later, the irony. So didn’t really want him, but he was excellent as a player/captain in 2017/2018. Dunno what his influence as coach has been but the fact he has kept out of the limelight and been understated has been impressive. Clearly was Purslows choice as the number two when Smith got appointed, so will be interesting who Smith decides he wants now.

It's mad to think after that game, when he was stretchered off with all 4 sides of the ground singing 'John Terry, what a wanker' to him, he came here and did what he did.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 26, 2021, 12:04:50 PM
Didn’t like him before he joined us - full kit wanking racist wife nobber, was surprised at how good a player he was, kept his head down, seemed to do a decent job (assistant head coach or defensive coach?). Got as much out of us, career wise, as we got from him and I can go back to disliking him now. Always liked the fact that the biggest home attendance he ever played in front of was when he joined us. Hope he now realises what a big club we are

It wasn't. Chelsea got a couple that were bigger.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: Steve67 on July 26, 2021, 12:05:14 PM
See you John. Er, thanks. Good luck with whatever is next.  I hope you are replaced.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: andyh on July 26, 2021, 12:07:20 PM
It’s funny really.
He’s gone from one of players I actually ‘hated’ to being someone I am sorry to see go

Thanks for a few very good years and good luck JT.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: RamboandBruno on July 26, 2021, 12:10:25 PM
I wish him well.  I think he's made a big contribution to the club whilst he was here, and whatever his background he seems to have conducted himself well whilst with us.

It's dissapointing as we are clearly on an upwards trajectory and any disruption is unhelpful.

Yea this. Don’t like the disruption, everything seemed a lot more straightforward and calmer last summer, but maybe that’s just memories playing tricks.
Remember VP going mad the day he got Benteke sent off playing for Chelski, last home game probably 2014, but then he got carried off injured later, the irony. So didn’t really want him, but he was excellent as a player/captain in 2017/2018. Dunno what his influence as coach has been but the fact he has kept out of the limelight and been understated has been impressive. Clearly was Purslows choice as the number two when Smith got appointed, so will be interesting who Smith decides he wants now.

It's mad to think after that game, when he was stretchered off with all 4 sides of the ground singing 'John Terry, what a wanker' to him, he came here and did what he did.

It’s true that, the whole ground was united in their antipathy towards him that day, it was actually quite a joyous moment!!  Must have a thick skin!! I guess he will be treated very differently if he ever turns at villa as a manager.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 26, 2021, 12:16:59 PM
Chris Jameson, it's safe to come back now!
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: Somniloquism on July 26, 2021, 12:19:54 PM
I wish him well.  I think he's made a big contribution to the club whilst he was here, and whatever his background he seems to have conducted himself well whilst with us.

It's dissapointing as we are clearly on an upwards trajectory and any disruption is unhelpful.

Yea this. Don’t like the disruption, everything seemed a lot more straightforward and calmer last summer, but maybe that’s just memories playing tricks.
Remember VP going mad the day he got Benteke sent off playing for Chelski, last home game probably 2014, but then he got carried off injured later, the irony. So didn’t really want him, but he was excellent as a player/captain in 2017/2018. Dunno what his influence as coach has been but the fact he has kept out of the limelight and been understated has been impressive. Clearly was Purslows choice as the number two when Smith got appointed, so will be interesting who Smith decides he wants now.

It's mad to think after that game, when he was stretchered off with all 4 sides of the ground singing 'John Terry, what a wanker' to him, he came here and did what he did.

It’s true that, the whole ground was united in their antipathy towards him that day, it was actually quite a joyous moment!!  Must have a thick skin!! I guess he will be treated very differently if he ever turns at villa as a manager.

I expect if he hadn't have been seen to "play-act" to get Benteke sent off, he wouldn't have got the abuse he then got when he did get injured. And that was also the same day all four sides were cheering Lampard for getting the Scoring record even if it meant we lost.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on July 26, 2021, 12:20:02 PM
Didn’t like him before he joined us - full kit wanking racist wife nobber, was surprised at how good a player he was, kept his head down, seemed to do a decent job (assistant head coach or defensive coach?). Got as much out of us, career wise, as we got from him and I can go back to disliking him now. Always liked the fact that the biggest home attendance he ever played in front of was when he joined us. Hope he now realises what a big club we are

It wasn't. Chelsea got a couple that were bigger.

I’ve been dining out on that “stat” for a few years now and I’m not going to let facts stop me from continuing
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: Somniloquism on July 26, 2021, 12:20:38 PM
Chris Jameson, it's safe to come back now!

John, reconsider your decision before it is too late.....   :D
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 26, 2021, 12:23:16 PM
Good luck JT

Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: hipkiss92 on July 26, 2021, 12:25:09 PM
I wish him well.  I think he's made a big contribution to the club whilst he was here, and whatever his background he seems to have conducted himself well whilst with us.

It's dissapointing as we are clearly on an upwards trajectory and any disruption is unhelpful.

Yea this. Don’t like the disruption, everything seemed a lot more straightforward and calmer last summer, but maybe that’s just memories playing tricks.
Remember VP going mad the day he got Benteke sent off playing for Chelski, last home game probably 2014, but then he got carried off injured later, the irony. So didn’t really want him, but he was excellent as a player/captain in 2017/2018. Dunno what his influence as coach has been but the fact he has kept out of the limelight and been understated has been impressive. Clearly was Purslows choice as the number two when Smith got appointed, so will be interesting who Smith decides he wants now.

It's mad to think after that game, when he was stretchered off with all 4 sides of the ground singing 'John Terry, what a wanker' to him, he came here and did what he did.

It’s true that, the whole ground was united in their antipathy towards him that day, it was actually quite a joyous moment!!  Must have a thick skin!! I guess he will be treated very differently if he ever turns at villa as a manager.

I expect if he hadn't have been seen to "play-act" to get Benteke sent off, he wouldn't have got the abuse he then got when he did get injured. And that was also the same day all four sides were cheering Lampard for getting the Scoring record even if it meant we lost.

All four sides were definitely not cheering for Lampard that day. A small pocket in the Witton Lane and that's about it.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: not3bad on July 26, 2021, 12:25:46 PM
Did a good job and he will have learned a lot during his time here. Will be interesting to see where he does turn up.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: Jon Crofts on July 26, 2021, 12:27:20 PM
Didn’t like him before he joined us - full kit wanking racist wife nobber, was surprised at how good a player he was, kept his head down, seemed to do a decent job (assistant head coach or defensive coach?). Got as much out of us, career wise, as we got from him and I can go back to disliking him now. Always liked the fact that the biggest home attendance he ever played in front of was when he joined us. Hope he now realises what a big club we are

It wasn't. Chelsea got a couple that were bigger.

I’ve been dining out on that “stat” for a few years now and I’m not going to let facts stop me from continuing

I have a feeling you're still partly right as I thought it was for a league game.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 26, 2021, 12:40:59 PM
Good statement.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: Risso on July 26, 2021, 12:52:52 PM
Didn’t like him before he joined us - full kit wanking racist wife nobber, was surprised at how good a player he was, kept his head down, seemed to do a decent job (assistant head coach or defensive coach?). Got as much out of us, career wise, as we got from him and I can go back to disliking him now. Always liked the fact that the biggest home attendance he ever played in front of was when he joined us. Hope he now realises what a big club we are

It wasn't. Chelsea got a couple that were bigger.

I’ve been dining out on that “stat” for a few years now and I’m not going to let facts stop me from continuing

I have a feeling you're still partly right as I thought it was for a league game.

Chelsea have got loads of attendances in the league bigger than Terry played under at Villa Park. It's not suprising, it is/was a slightly bigger stadium.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: olaftab on July 26, 2021, 12:57:03 PM
Whilst a massive ****** all I will say is that he was committed whilst here. As a player he didn’t shirk away from his responsibility like Richards and Lescott and as member of management he contributed much more than Roy Keane.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: The Edge on July 26, 2021, 01:03:44 PM
Didn’t like him before he joined us - full kit wanking racist wife nobber, was surprised at how good a player he was, kept his head down, seemed to do a decent job (assistant head coach or defensive coach?). Got as much out of us, career wise, as we got from him and I can go back to disliking him now. Always liked the fact that the biggest home attendance he ever played in front of was when he joined us. Hope he now realises what a big club we are

It wasn't. Chelsea got a couple that were bigger.

I’ve been dining out on that “stat” for a few years now and I’m not going to let facts stop me from continuing

I have a feeling you're still partly right as I thought it was for a league game.
When was the last time Stamford Bridge held more than Villa Park?
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: Hookeysmith on July 26, 2021, 01:04:49 PM
Good luck JT and thanks for everything

Hope this is not  Little / Gregory moment and history is not repeating itself
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 26, 2021, 01:06:47 PM
I’m very disappointed by this. I liked John Terry as a player for us and a coach. People make mistakes. It’s what you do afterwards that is important and while with us he was precisely the opposite of what everyone thought he was when he arrived. He has contributed immensely to what we have become over the past few years. His presence will be hard to replace but clearly after a break he feels he is ready for a managerial opportunity. And he has enough respect for the manager not to do this mid season when it might be harder to find a replacement.

He has shown unbelievable respect for the club and fans and really got to understand just how big we are. Good luck John.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: Richard E on July 26, 2021, 01:11:30 PM
According to my Chelsea supporting mate this dooms us to relegation.

Er, no.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: Goldie.7 on July 26, 2021, 01:13:18 PM
Whispers said on Twitter three days ago he was having conversations
but was Remaining as of then

Our Communications Director already exposed that clown 3 days ago.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: Somniloquism on July 26, 2021, 01:19:58 PM
I wish him well.  I think he's made a big contribution to the club whilst he was here, and whatever his background he seems to have conducted himself well whilst with us.

It's dissapointing as we are clearly on an upwards trajectory and any disruption is unhelpful.

Yea this. Don’t like the disruption, everything seemed a lot more straightforward and calmer last summer, but maybe that’s just memories playing tricks.
Remember VP going mad the day he got Benteke sent off playing for Chelski, last home game probably 2014, but then he got carried off injured later, the irony. So didn’t really want him, but he was excellent as a player/captain in 2017/2018. Dunno what his influence as coach has been but the fact he has kept out of the limelight and been understated has been impressive. Clearly was Purslows choice as the number two when Smith got appointed, so will be interesting who Smith decides he wants now.

It's mad to think after that game, when he was stretchered off with all 4 sides of the ground singing 'John Terry, what a wanker' to him, he came here and did what he did.

It’s true that, the whole ground was united in their antipathy towards him that day, it was actually quite a joyous moment!!  Must have a thick skin!! I guess he will be treated very differently if he ever turns at villa as a manager.

I expect if he hadn't have been seen to "play-act" to get Benteke sent off, he wouldn't have got the abuse he then got when he did get injured. And that was also the same day all four sides were cheering Lampard for getting the Scoring record even if it meant we lost.

All four sides were definitely not cheering for Lampard that day. A small pocket in the Witton Lane and that's about it.

Not at the time of the goal but I'm pretty sure lots of people were applauding Lampard off at the end for his achievement around the ground. Definitely near me they were and it also appeared to be the same in the Trinity.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: Axl Rose on July 26, 2021, 01:29:37 PM
Whilst a massive ****** all I will say is that he was committed whilst here. As a player he didn’t shirk away from his responsibility like Richards and Lescott and as member of management he contributed much more than Roy Keane.

Along with TV's words below, I'm about where you are, mate.

Despised him as a Chelsea player, could never really warm to him as a Villa player. Won't miss him, but thank you for your contribution, John.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: passport1 on July 26, 2021, 01:36:56 PM
Very professional  as a player and coach with Villa. I wish him  well  for  whatever  comes next
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: Hopadop on July 26, 2021, 01:41:34 PM
I think more of him now than I did when he arrived. Good luck to him.

A much better player than I ever thought he was.

Pretty much where I'm at, but it was a very low starting point.

He was, it seems, an inspired signing and I've no doubt we were much better as a result.  He doesn't seem to have put a foot wrong and I know someone on here (Dave W?) heard that he was not at all what you'd expect, but quite unassuming.

I can't quite wish him well and I can't say I like him.  But I don't want him to fail and fail horribly, so that's progress.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: rob_bridge on July 26, 2021, 01:50:24 PM
Whatever, his personality and let's face facts prior to him joining I always found him rather obnoxious, but for us as a professional he did an excellent job.

I wish him luck in his future management roles.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: Jon Crofts on July 26, 2021, 01:56:17 PM
Whatever, his personality and let's face facts prior to him joining I always found him rather obnoxious, but for us as a professional he did an excellent job.

I wish him luck in his future management roles.

Except when his team plays Villa. Obvs.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 26, 2021, 01:58:37 PM

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Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: Kevin Dawson on July 26, 2021, 02:12:06 PM

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Yes, that was great.....all he kept saying was 'Shut the f*** up'
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: Ads on July 26, 2021, 02:13:06 PM
His statement is very classy and you have to say absolutely everything about him at the club has been of the same standard.

He is not what I expected and while none of that excuses how he may have acted in the past, with us he has been the embodiment of professionalism. A much needed tonic and the club is better for the exprience.

I wish him every success as a manager and would not be surprised if he doesn't end up back here one day.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: Smithy on July 26, 2021, 02:13:19 PM
Whispers said on Twitter three days ago he was having conversations
but was Remaining as of then

Our Communications Director already exposed that clown 3 days ago.

What happened? I'd like to know if you can share?
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: rob_bridge on July 26, 2021, 02:23:14 PM
Whatever, his personality and let's face facts prior to him joining I always found him rather obnoxious, but for us as a professional he did an excellent job.

I wish him luck in his future management roles.

Except when his team plays Villa. Obvs.

Indeed limit the beatings of his team to 3.0 maybe
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: eamonn on July 26, 2021, 03:58:26 PM
I never thought he would have hung around for four years with us. His signing was probably the best thing Steve Bruce did for the club. All from a chance meeting on a Portugese golf course. One of those ''orrible ones'' at the 15th hole, JT taking the piss out of his wedge action or whatever... You had to be there (Five star hotel and golf course in the Algarve...too bloody right I had to be there...etc. etc.)

I think people can atone for their past mistakes and by all accounts his behaviour off the pitch for Villa (with fans, sick children on hospital visits, charities etc.) has been exemplary. I know I've said it before but Ryan Giggs doesn't get half the grief for his cuntish behaviour, which is (allegedly) still ongoing at the age of 47.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: clash city rocker on July 26, 2021, 04:34:03 PM
I dont think he has ever let us down in an capacity since being with us and for that I wish him well.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: manic-road on July 26, 2021, 04:49:00 PM
I wish Terry well apart from when whatever club employs him plays Villa, he has gone about getting experience and coaching qualifications the right way rather than doing a Rooney or Lampard taking a management job with no experience.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: steamer on July 26, 2021, 05:00:08 PM
Good luck John
He played his part here over the last couple of seasons
Not once do I remember him acting out his caricature self
All the best where ever you go, with a few exceptions
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: West Derby Villan on July 26, 2021, 07:22:57 PM
Thanks John, you proved me wrong, you were a great professional, leader and servant to our fine club
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: colin69 on July 26, 2021, 08:08:07 PM
Been nothing but class with us as both a player and coach. I’m actually quite sad to see go and I wish him all the very best in the future.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on July 26, 2021, 08:25:27 PM
Cheers John, thanks for your work!
(I could never have imagined myself saying those words when he was at chelski).
Title: Re: John Terry - Gne
Post by: TheMalandro on July 26, 2021, 08:25:47 PM
Chris Jameson, it's safe to come back now!

I’ll send him another message tonight.  Wonderful man.
Got to respect his stubbornness.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 26, 2021, 08:44:31 PM
His statement is very classy and you have to say absolutely everything about him at the club has been of the same standard.

He is not what I expected and while none of that excuses how he may have acted in the past, with us he has been the embodiment of professionalism. A much needed tonic and the club is better for the exprience.

I wish him every success as a manager and would not be surprised if he doesn't end up back here one day.

Yeah same for me.

Didn't really want him, thought he'd just be coming for a last payday like Richards and Lescott but completely in different league to both of those jokers playing for us. Also thought he'd bring us needless off the field issues (as Rooney again showed at the weekend) but been exemplary in that aswell.

Odd timing though to leave now if he really hasn't got a manager job lined up. I thought he might've left last summer when we got Shakespeare in which was insurance move but stayed on and surprised me he's left now when he could've been part of trophy winning team which this squad has potential to do in next few years.

Wonder if DS will get another coach in or he's happy enough with Shakey, R O'K and Cutler is also involved in many of the tactical discussions during games.

Good luck to him anyway which is not something I thought I'd say for his post Villa career when he joined us four years ago. Were a few posters on here saying they'd stop going to games when he signed which shows how disliked by some on this forum he was (and also the state we were in at the time of course).
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: London Villan on July 26, 2021, 08:48:30 PM
Played his part in turning us into a proper football club again. Composed on the pitch and kept a low profile off it. Still not totally sure about how much he contributed to the tactics and running of the team, but good luck.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 26, 2021, 08:53:02 PM
Played his part in turning us into a proper football club again. Composed on the pitch and kept a low profile off it. Still not totally sure about how much he contributed to the tactics and running of the team, but good luck.

Defensive structure was excellent last season. Of course big part of that was how incredible Martinez was but generally far more compact as a unit.

He gets stick for 19/20 but ultimately DS would have the final say and he was too naive in getting newly promoted team having both FBs completely bomb on into other half and parking the CBs 40 yards from goal so we were too easy to bypass especially as we didn't even have a decent DM there until Luiz moved there.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: TonyD on July 26, 2021, 09:16:29 PM
He sorted our defence out. 
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: wittonwarrior on July 26, 2021, 09:16:59 PM
A great signing and tenure at the villa. Best of luck in the future JT
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 26, 2021, 09:26:46 PM
He sorted our defence out. 

If he takes the credit for the defence post COVID then he has to take some blame for the defence beforehand.  From what I read, Smith pulled the whole team together and restructured the team. 

Conjecture obviously but I do think he added a level of professionalism that wasn’t at the club until he arrived.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: Aldridge Villa on July 26, 2021, 09:39:50 PM
Gut instinct says he was good for us and we were good for him. A valuable contribution, thanks JT and all the very best.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: Ger Regan on July 26, 2021, 09:42:12 PM
Memory might be playing tricks on me but didn't the improvement akela coincide with Shakespeare joining us?  Not saying Terry shouldn't get some credit but doubt it was all down to him
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 26, 2021, 09:44:29 PM
I completely understand all the well-wishes above, and I can understand the reasons for them. That said, I'm delighted that he's gone and I never want to see him again, much less as our manager.

Off you fuck, I hope you fail.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: Stu on July 26, 2021, 10:03:07 PM
Has Chris not weighed in yet? I know he knows!
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: Taylor on July 26, 2021, 10:17:02 PM
Has Chris not weighed in yet? I know he knows!
I completely understand all the well-wishes above, and I can understand the reasons for them. That said, I'm delighted that he's gone and I never want to see him again, much less as our manager.

Off you fuck, I hope you fail.
Far to much hate in the world. Good luck JT.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on July 27, 2021, 12:19:26 AM
Has Chris not weighed in yet? I know he knows!
I completely understand all the well-wishes above, and I can understand the reasons for them. That said, I'm delighted that he's gone and I never want to see him again, much less as our manager.

Off you fuck, I hope you fail.
Far to much hate in the world. Good luck JT.

Well some might say he himself added to it.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on July 27, 2021, 12:28:07 AM
That's not to say I don't understand people wishing him well, he has clearly been good for us but I understand why people wouldn't be so kind in their wishes also.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: Matt C on July 27, 2021, 02:48:16 AM
As others have said, the absolute consummate professional throughout his time for us and a dignified way to end it. Wouldn’t underestimate the impact of his winning mentality and PL experience over the last couple of seasons when we were very light on the latter.

One of those where both parties were good for each other and it ends amicably - doesn’t happen too often!
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: Hillbilly on July 27, 2021, 03:10:40 AM
I'd hope that being around Terry made Tyrone Mings a better defender. I'd hope that being around Tyrone Mings made Terry a better person.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: London Villan on July 27, 2021, 06:07:49 AM
Our defence improved when Doug dropped 20 yards deeper and then improved again when Emi signed. Before that we were useless at they back. I think Terry’s influence, as mentioned, was more of a mental one.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: Dave on July 27, 2021, 09:00:58 AM
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Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: Ian. on July 27, 2021, 09:11:04 AM
That’s a lovely bit of praise there to Smith, nice to see.

I never would have thought in a million years I’d like John Terry, but from the moment he put on his shirt and played his commitment was there to be seen. He certainly won me over.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: Somniloquism on July 27, 2021, 09:28:48 AM
He sorted our defence out. 

If he takes the credit for the defence post COVID then he has to take some blame for the defence beforehand.  From what I read, Smith pulled the whole team together and restructured the team. 

Conjecture obviously but I do think he added a level of professionalism that wasn’t at the club until he arrived.

I thought the general consensus was Smith got personally involved in the defence coaching during the initial Covid break. However he was also in the camp of all out attack at the start of the season and win 4-3 so maybe the decision was to defend better across the whole team rather then hope the four at the back don't get too overrun.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: chrisw1 on July 27, 2021, 09:55:58 AM
I'd hope that being around Terry made Tyrone Mings a better defender. I'd hope that being around Tyrone Mings made Terry a better person.
And if Mings was prepared to join a club with Terry in a senior position, to work with Terry over a number of years, etc, then I'm happy enough to follow his lead on this.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: Hookeysmith on July 27, 2021, 11:16:01 AM
I'd hope that being around Terry made Tyrone Mings a better defender. I'd hope that being around Tyrone Mings made Terry a better person.

Excellent post.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: cannock villa on July 27, 2021, 12:13:30 PM
Has Chris not weighed in yet? I know he knows!
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Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: Stu82 on July 27, 2021, 12:39:53 PM
Heartwarming tribute to Dean.
All the best JT you have made a significant contribution on the journey to return Aston Villa to the top where we belong.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: Bad English on July 27, 2021, 12:47:34 PM
Has Chris not weighed in yet? I know he knows!
A lot of people assuming that Terry is the sole reason he doesn't post on here. I'm not ITK either.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: Simon Page on July 27, 2021, 12:52:09 PM
I can't actually remember the exact details (I have a rough idea) of what he did wrong earlier in his career and, to be honest, don't need reminding. However, my feeling is there comes a time when most past misdemeanours should be consigned to history, especially when someone clearly isn't up to them anymore. It seems to me Terry fits that bill.

Regardless, he did a hell of a good job for us on and off the pitch, so thanks, good luck, don't be part of any team that beats us. I'm glad we brought him in.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on July 27, 2021, 01:12:36 PM
I'd hope that being around Terry made Tyrone Mings a better defender. I'd hope that being around Tyrone Mings made Terry a better person.

I like that.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: CT on July 27, 2021, 01:46:19 PM
He goes with my best wishes.

Never put a foot wrong in his season as a player and 3 as a coach.

Stopping his contact a month early when we were up against the wall and desperate for every penny thanks to that charlatan Xia.

Judging by his posts, it seems he’s loved his time here and has the ultimate respect for Dean and the owners.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: The Edge on July 27, 2021, 04:45:24 PM
I'd hope that being around Terry made Tyrone Mings a better defender. I'd hope that being around Tyrone Mings made Terry a better person.

I like that.
Seconded. Excellent point by Hillbilly.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: brontebilly on July 27, 2021, 04:54:48 PM
Absolute Disaster for the Club just a few weeks before the start of the new season.
We need to get a big name in ASAP , always thought Terry was a good pull for signing players.

If Jack goes this could be a tragic summer

Why is it a disaster? What has he brought?

He got the blame for our defensive struggles in his first season as assistant and the credit for the improvement last season. He seemed to take a more active role during games with Smith last season. Can only have been useful in getting in Chelsea players on loan....but based on the last two we got....

Certainly was a fine player for us in that season in the championship. His class on the ball stood out a mile.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: CT on July 27, 2021, 05:23:18 PM
Absolute Disaster for the Club just a few weeks before the start of the new season.
We need to get a big name in ASAP , always thought Terry was a good pull for signing players.

If Jack goes this could be a tragic summer

Find a hobby that makes you happy, because Aston Villa and football clearly don’t.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 27, 2021, 05:46:40 PM
As if to prove the adage that, if you want to know about what's going on at Villa, ask bluenose; someone on SHA* suggested that Terry was unhappy that that Shakespeare was made stand-in manager while DS was isolating. His source was the Daily Heil comments section, so there's no doubting that it's true.

*I have a character defect that means reading their shite about us is in some way entertaining to me.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: boutrosboutrosgnarly on July 27, 2021, 05:59:02 PM
Absolute Disaster for the Club just a few weeks before the start of the new season.
We need to get a big name in ASAP , always thought Terry was a good pull for signing players.

If Jack goes this could be a tragic summer

Find a hobby that makes you happy, because Aston Villa and football clearly don’t.
Like one or two others, his type is happy, wallowing in misery.Bet he can't wait to logon if Grealish leaves, and slag every facet of the club and proclaim the end is nigh.Predictable and tedious as fuck.Or he's a d@gshit fan on a wind-up.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: The Edge on July 27, 2021, 08:57:50 PM
Absolute Disaster for the Club just a few weeks before the start of the new season.
We need to get a big name in ASAP , always thought Terry was a good pull for signing players.

If Jack goes this could be a tragic summer

Find a hobby that makes you happy, because Aston Villa and football clearly don’t.
Like one or two others, his type is happy, wallowing in misery.Bet he can't wait to logon if Grealish leaves, and slag every facet of the club and proclaim the end is nigh.Predictable and tedious as fuck.Or he's a d@gshit fan on a wind-up.
If he is i have three random words that I'd like him to try and form a sentence from. They are:
Life,get,a
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: Rotterdam on July 27, 2021, 09:45:02 PM
Best wishes from me JT.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: mr underhill on July 28, 2021, 08:30:12 AM
And from me - his attitude and behaviour with us was exlempary.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: Scratchins on July 28, 2021, 10:13:19 AM
Like others I have never changed my mind so much about a person. I had assumed that he was coming either for a last bumper pay day or for it to be the John Terry show. It was neither and he has served us well. His parting messages to us and 'the gaffer' couldn't have been better. Good luck John with whatever you do - except if your team beats us!
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: jwarry on July 28, 2021, 04:49:02 PM
Whilst there is no doubt Terry has had an influence in shoring up our porous defence I do wonder whether Shakespeare will come into his own now. I suspect he wouldn’t have wanted to step on JT’s shoes so I expect
He will come in to his own now
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: jwarry on July 28, 2021, 04:50:08 PM
And I wonder if Shakespeare being here has prompted his desire to move on
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: Bad English on July 28, 2021, 05:30:11 PM
And I wonder if Shakespeare being here has prompted his desire to move on
Men at some times are masters of their fates.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: Hockley Lion on July 28, 2021, 05:35:34 PM
Very good 👍
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: jwarry on July 28, 2021, 07:22:06 PM
Never really liked Shakespeare, William that is
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: LeeB on July 28, 2021, 07:33:15 PM
Never really liked Shakespeare, William that is

Yeah, boring slaphead.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: Hockley Lion on July 28, 2021, 10:37:11 PM
Shall I compare thee to a summer’s day?
Thou art more lovely and more temperate:
Rough winds do shake the darling buds of May,
And summer’s lease hath all too short a date;
Sometime too hot the eye of heaven shines,
And often is his gold complexion dimm'd;
And every fair from fair sometime declines,
By chance or nature’s changing course untrimm'd;
But thy eternal summer shall not fade,
Nor lose possession of that fair thou ow’st;
Nor shall death brag thou wander’st in his shade,
When in eternal lines to time thou grow’st:
   So long as men can breathe or eyes can see,
   So long lives this, and this gives life to thee.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: spartacuss on July 29, 2021, 10:22:12 AM
Never really liked Shakespeare, William that is

Yeah, boring slaphead.

Give him a bit of credit: he refers to 'Villains' 279 times in his plays.  Anyway, Warwickshire's most famous person ever would have probably supported the most famous local, Warwickshire (originally) team ever and ever will be.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 29, 2021, 10:38:21 AM
I totally get what you're saying in the Villa context, Spartacus, but I chuckled at "Warwickshire's most famous person ever". Kind of underselling the lad a bit there!
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: tomd2103 on July 29, 2021, 11:18:05 AM
No quibbles with his contribution during his time with us and may be wrong about this, but always got the impression that John Terry hung around a little longer than he might have as he had one eye on the manager's job.  Think he has probably now accepted he wouldn't be in the running if Dean Smith were to go, so it's time to move on.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 29, 2021, 11:30:33 AM
No quibbles with his contribution during his time with us and may be wrong about this, but always got the impression that John Terry hung around a little longer than he might have as he had one eye on the manager's job.  Think he has probably now accepted he wouldn't be in the running if Dean Smith were to go, so it's time to move on.

I thought the same thing.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 29, 2021, 02:00:04 PM
Shall I compare thee to a summer’s day?
Thou art more lovely and more temperate:
Rough winds do shake the darling buds of May,
And summer’s lease hath all too short a date;
Sometime too hot the eye of heaven shines,
And often is his gold complexion dimm'd;
And every fair from fair sometime declines,
By chance or nature’s changing course untrimm'd;
But thy eternal summer shall not fade,
Nor lose possession of that fair thou ow’st;
Nor shall death brag thou wander’st in his shade,
When in eternal lines to time thou grow’st:
   So long as men can breathe or eyes can see,
   So long lives this, and this gives life to thee.
lovely
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: jwarry on July 29, 2021, 04:23:55 PM
Shall I compare thee to a summer’s day?
Thou art more lovely and more temperate:
Rough winds do shake the darling buds of May,
And summer’s lease hath all too short a date;
Sometime too hot the eye of heaven shines,
And often is his gold complexion dimm'd;
And every fair from fair sometime declines,
By chance or nature’s changing course untrimm'd;
But thy eternal summer shall not fade,
Nor lose possession of that fair thou ow’st;
Nor shall death brag thou wander’st in his shade,
When in eternal lines to time thou grow’st:
   So long as men can breathe or eyes can see,
   So long lives this, and this gives life to thee.

Did they teach that kind of stuff in Hockley then?
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: Hockley Lion on July 29, 2021, 06:00:12 PM
Back in the day they'd have taught it in most schools. My Dad knew it and others by heart. He left school at 14. You're never too old to stop learning and ruby's and diamonds aren't the only gems to be found in Hockley.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: Footy-Vill on July 30, 2021, 07:37:10 PM
I think JT left because of this whole Grealish leaving.
He's been disillusioned by it that's only reason he leave so suddenly others wise would have been before the pre season training not half way through and had  already started . Could easily have said in summer I will step down.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: four fornicholl on July 30, 2021, 07:40:49 PM
I think JT left because of this whole Grealish leaving.
He's been disillusioned by it that's only reason he leave so suddenly others wise would have been before the pre season training not half way through and had  already started . Could easily have said in summer I will step down.
Bollox, where do actually get this shit from?
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 30, 2021, 07:40:53 PM
Blimey a few conclusions being jumped to there Footy.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: Flin5tone on July 30, 2021, 07:41:56 PM
Losing Terry and Grealish is a disaster for the Football Club . Two Huge names in the game , feels like we are going backwards
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: LukeJames on July 30, 2021, 07:47:54 PM
This place today, fucking hell 😂
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: CT on July 30, 2021, 07:48:33 PM
Losing Terry and Grealish is a disaster for the Football Club . Two Huge names in the game , feels like we are going backwards
That's what I been thinking.
Getting more upset more think about it
But don't worry we signed a highly rated 17 year old from Wycombe or something!  Too much strategizing on this investing in young talent going on when it's the first team that needs a little bit more. Dam it.

Jesus fucking wept.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 30, 2021, 07:56:28 PM
Losing Terry and Grealish is a disaster for the Football Club . Two Huge names in the game , feels like we are going backwards

If you think that's bad wait until you see the season card design.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: Ian. on July 30, 2021, 08:05:49 PM
Losing Terry and Grealish is a disaster for the Football Club . Two Huge names in the game , feels like we are going backwards
That's what I been thinking.
Getting more upset more think about it
But don't worry we signed a highly rated 17 year old from Wycombe or something!  Too much strategizing on this investing in young talent going on when it's the first team that needs a little bit more. Dam it.

Jesus fucking wept.

The state of these two posts.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: shipscat on July 30, 2021, 08:08:26 PM
Losing Terry and Grealish is a disaster for the Football Club . Two Huge names in the game , feels like we are going backwards

Do you still want to bet against us..in the medium to longterm? I wouldn't!
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 30, 2021, 08:11:33 PM
I think JT left because of this whole Grealish leaving.
He's been disillusioned by it that's only reason he leave so suddenly others wise would have been before the pre season training not half way through and had  already started . Could easily have said in summer I will step down.

He never came back for pre-season training from what I’ve read it was just announced much later.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 30, 2021, 08:47:45 PM
He's in Tokyo hijacking medal ceremonies.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: saunders_heroes on July 30, 2021, 08:53:56 PM
I think JT left because of this whole Grealish leaving.
He's been disillusioned by it that's only reason he leave so suddenly others wise would have been before the pre season training not half way through and had  already started . Could easily have said in summer I will step down.


You have a very vivid imagination.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: Footy-Vill on July 30, 2021, 11:58:40 PM
I think JT left because of this whole Grealish leaving.
He's been disillusioned by it that's only reason he leave so suddenly others wise would have been before the pre season training not half way through and had  already started . Could easily have said in summer I will step down.


You have a very vivid imagination.
Maybe you just have a limited one.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: CT on July 31, 2021, 12:08:15 AM
I think JT left because of this whole Grealish leaving.
He's been disillusioned by it that's only reason he leave so suddenly others wise would have been before the pre season training not half way through and had  already started . Could easily have said in summer I will step down.


You have a very vivid imagination.
Maybe you just have a limited one.

We’re all in the Matrix anyway aren’t we?
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: mr underhill on July 31, 2021, 07:20:19 AM
Everybody knows he was one of those reptiles from V. If you look closely, you can see his  JT suit unzips at the back.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: Axl Rose on July 31, 2021, 07:54:48 AM
He's in Tokyo hijacking medal ceremonies.

John Terry or Footyskillz?
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: CT on July 31, 2021, 07:57:37 AM
He's in Tokyo hijacking medal ceremonies.

John Terry or Footyskillz?

No, Mr U is right. He’s been harvesting humans to use as food back on his home planet. The cad.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on August 04, 2021, 05:43:08 PM
Just got round to this thread, having been distracted elsewhere on this forum, like most other people here!

Thanks to John Terry for everything he did for us, and  I wish him all the best (apart from when his future team is our opponent). I admit I wasn't keen on him coming initially like many of us because of past events, but while he was with Villa, he provided fine leadership and showed consummate profesionalism. Liked his classy departure statement too.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: olaftab on August 12, 2021, 08:26:40 PM
So Joe said he made up his mind to move after a long chat with Terry.
Thanks John.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: OCD on August 12, 2021, 08:32:25 PM
Clickbait headline. As far as I can tell, it was just a chat on the training ground some time ago about the chills Terry got when the Champions League music was played before a game. Bit of a non-story that the shit stirring media are trying to use to keep their Grealish stories alive.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: The Edge on August 12, 2021, 08:46:41 PM
Clickbait headline. As far as I can tell, it was just a chat on the training ground some time ago about the chills Terry got when the Champions League music was played before a game. Bit of a non-story that the shit stirring media are trying to use to keep their Grealish stories alive.
I agree. It could be said that John Terry was telling Jack all about the champions league to inspire him to push us towards that goal which is something you would expect from JT in his role at the club. Unless Jack states that JT actively encouraged him to leave us and join a curent Champions league club I'm taking it in the context of JT trying to inspire him for our benefit.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: Demitri_C on August 12, 2021, 08:58:21 PM
Rubbish dont believe that for a second.  If terry said jump in a lion cage would you? You make your own decisions in life.

Its just shit stirring
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: Villan82 on August 12, 2021, 09:11:39 PM
Joe burned his bridges at our club all on his own and the media need not go trying to spread the blame.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 12, 2021, 09:40:28 PM
So Joe said he made up his mind to move after a long chat with Terry.
Thanks John.

Not at all, unless you made your mind up about John Terry long ago and you want to spend your life looking for spurious evidence to discredit him.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: Meanwood Villa on August 12, 2021, 10:58:22 PM
I'm sorry I even clicked on the "story", someone sent me the link. Clickbait bollocks from a far right rag.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: olaftab on August 12, 2021, 11:09:41 PM
So Joe said he made up his mind to move after a long chat with Terry.
Thanks John.

Not at all, unless you made your mind up about John Terry long ago and you want to spend your life looking for spurious evidence to discredit him.
It is true that I have very low tolerance level for Mr Terry and I don't think Joe is smart enough to deflect criticism by making up something and is shallow enough to be influenced easily.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 13, 2021, 12:29:56 AM
How on earth would John Terry know what it's like to win a Champion's League?! Lots of us watched it like he did, but I don't think that's quite the same thing.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 13, 2021, 01:41:14 AM
So Joe said he made up his mind to move after a long chat with Terry.
Thanks John.

Not at all, unless you made your mind up about John Terry long ago and you want to spend your life looking for spurious evidence to discredit him.
It is true that I have very low tolerance level for Mr Terry and I don't think Joe is smart enough to deflect criticism by making up something and is shallow enough to be influenced easily.

So of all the hundreds of people Ratboy spoke to during his career, one chat with his old foreman was enough tio make up his mind.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 13, 2021, 02:37:02 AM
But players always talk to other current players and I have no doubt someone of Jack’s quality spoke to other top players at other clubs. And that would have extended to a highly successful former player like John Terry who would have told him how great winning the CL was. Why would that be surprising to anyone? And if in the course of the conversation Jack asked him about his career path he likely would have provided some advice. I very much doubt that he overtly told Jack he needed to leave. Jack didn’t need John Terry to make that decision for him. He made that himself.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 13, 2021, 02:37:37 AM
How on earth would John Terry know what it's like to win a Champion's League?! Lots of us watched it like he did, but I don't think that's quite the same thing.

He was still captain of the club. That he didn’t play in the final is immaterial
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: algy on August 13, 2021, 06:08:01 AM
How on earth would John Terry know what it's like to win a Champion's League?! Lots of us watched it like he did, but I don't think that's quite the same thing.
Maybe he told him that when Villa win the FA Cup next May, Jack can just rock up in full kit and pretend that he's won it too.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: olaftab on August 13, 2021, 07:04:24 PM
So Joe said he made up his mind to move after a long chat with Terry.
Thanks John.

Not at all, unless you made your mind up about John Terry long ago and you want to spend your life looking for spurious evidence to discredit him.
It is true that I have very low tolerance level for Mr Terry and I don't think Joe is smart enough to deflect criticism by making up something and is shallow enough to be influenced easily.

So of all the hundreds of people Ratboy spoke to during his career, one chat with his old foreman was enough tio make up his mind.
Well that and his chats with other players, the so called champions league players in the England camp. He is as shallow as a comic-strip for romantic teenagers. When talent was handed out somehow it missed his brain.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 29, 2021, 07:21:19 PM
Going back to Chelsea in a consultancy capacity for their youth team. Imagine it’s a chance to go back to his club while waiting for a manager job
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: N'ZMAV on December 29, 2021, 07:22:12 PM
I wonder if he thought he'd walk into a job but has struggled? this is a good chance for him to keep learning
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 29, 2021, 07:27:57 PM
I wonder if he thought he'd walk into a job but has struggled? this is a good chance for him to keep learning
Still think there were problems in the camp that saw the exodus over the summer.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: Lsvilla on December 29, 2021, 07:43:23 PM
I wonder if he thought he'd walk into a job but has struggled? this is a good chance for him to keep learning
Still think there were problems in the camp that saw the exodus over the summer.
One of the senior coaches doesn’t leave two days before the start of the season without something going on behind the scenes. My mate - who played with O’Kelly and Dean at Walsall - didn’t have any info when he spoke to him about it but had seen RoK at a golf day and got the “non-discloure agreement” response.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: paul_e on December 29, 2021, 07:52:08 PM
Just to add a couple of quick points here, I find it interesting that RoK hasn't gone to Norwich and that Terry doesn't seem to be in any great rush to get a managers job given there's been plenty that would've been a decent fit come up already.

In the summer a lot of people suggested that Lange was interfering with the coaching but the more that time passes the less likely I think that is. I suspect Shakespeare is a big part of it though, he seems to have pushed in to become Smith's 2nd in command and I can't see that going over well with either Terry or RoK.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: Demitri_C on December 29, 2021, 07:56:42 PM
Terry made a bad mistake  leaving.  I reckon he would have got the job on a caretaker basis when smith was sacked.

Now he demoted to a small role at chelsea
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: Dante Lavelli on December 30, 2021, 09:37:51 AM
The way it has played out the rumour that Terry and RoK were sacked because they advised Grealish to join city grows in credibility. Neither look like they had a plan in place, which was certainly how Terry made it sound in his leaving statement. 

I suppose they could still be in the Villa payroll so have turned down other roles, as I’m not sure what they did was a sackable offence under the eyes of the law.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: Villan82 on December 30, 2021, 11:22:20 AM
Summer 2021 began with such promise and ended in a complete shitshow. If that rumour is true then I am glad both were sacked (if true).
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: OCD on December 30, 2021, 02:11:22 PM
ROK was being moved to the academy and he (understandably) took it as a slight against him and left over it. He wasn't sacked. Terry thought he would be in a job before the season ended and didn't want to start a season if he wasn't going to finish it and he wanted to spend time at various other clubs.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: Hookeysmith on December 30, 2021, 02:49:56 PM
ROK was being moved to the academy and he (understandably) took it as a slight against him and left over it. He wasn't sacked. Terry thought he would be in a job before the season ended and didn't want to start a season if he wasn't going to finish it and he wanted to spend time at various other clubs.

Is the correct answer on both counts - people should not try and conjure up anything else
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: Dante Lavelli on December 30, 2021, 04:22:09 PM
ROK was being moved to the academy and he (understandably) took it as a slight against him and left over it. He wasn't sacked. Terry thought he would be in a job before the season ended and didn't want to start a season if he wasn't going to finish it and he wanted to spend time at various other clubs.

Is the correct answer on both counts - people should not try and conjure up anything else

Do you know that is fact or just think it is the most likely? 
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: adrenachrome on December 31, 2021, 12:41:38 AM
So Joe said he made up his mind to move after a long chat with Terry.
Thanks John.

Not at all, unless you made your mind up about John Terry long ago and you want to spend your life looking for spurious evidence to discredit him.
It is true that I have very low tolerance level for Mr Terry and I don't think Joe is smart enough to deflect criticism by making up something and is shallow enough to be influenced easily.

So of all the hundreds of people Ratboy spoke to during his career, one chat with his old foreman was enough tio make up his mind.
Well that and his chats with other players, the so called champions league players in the England camp. He is as shallow as a comic-strip for romantic teenagers. When talent was handed out somehow it missed his brain.


It is a truism that JG, a prodigiously talented ballist, is not the sharpest knife in he drawer. His latest faux pas is but the last of a long list.

I reckon 99.8% of pro's in the game would have advised him to move.

The timing of the whole process fucked up us, no doubt, but that is more to do with the power of agents.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: dcdavecollett on December 31, 2021, 01:50:39 AM
...and, possibly, our desire to get our own deals done before the JG transfer news broke.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: Allan C on December 31, 2021, 08:47:43 AM
Terry made a bad mistake  leaving.  I reckon he would have got the job on a caretaker basis when smith was sacked.

Now he demoted to a small role at chelsea
I disagree with that. I think he’s going about his managerial career in just the right way, learning as he goes, without jumping into the top job like others have done and failed. I think he’ll be a top manager/coach when he does decide to take the leap having gained a really good apprenticeship with us and now Chelsea.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 31, 2021, 11:10:22 AM
Terry made a bad mistake  leaving.  I reckon he would have got the job on a caretaker basis when smith was sacked.

Now he demoted to a small role at chelsea
I disagree with that. I think he’s going about his managerial career in just the right way, learning as he goes, without jumping into the top job like others have done and failed. I think he’ll be a top manager/coach when he does decide to take the leap having gained a really good apprenticeship with us and now Chelsea.
so from assistant first team coach to consultant to the Youth Team.
Looks like he is plan B if and when they get fed up of Tuchel.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: Allan C on January 01, 2022, 08:23:04 AM
Terry made a bad mistake  leaving.  I reckon he would have got the job on a caretaker basis when smith was sacked.

Now he demoted to a small role at chelsea
I disagree with that. I think he’s going about his managerial career in just the right way, learning as he goes, without jumping into the top job like others have done and failed. I think he’ll be a top manager/coach when he does decide to take the leap having gained a really good apprenticeship with us and now Chelsea.
so from assistant first team coach to consultant to the Youth Team.
Looks like he is plan B if and when they get fed up of Tuchel.
Let’s face it, he’s where he ultimately wants to be. He’s building up a lot of valuable experience in the process and will be really well placed when a managerial position comes up.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: Meanwood Villa on January 01, 2022, 09:06:10 AM
He's going to have to take the plunge at some point with a manager's job. Not saying I can't see Chelsea taking a punt on him randomly just because that sort of thing happens. Maybe he's weighing up which is more risky, waiting for that to happen or taking a job and failing at it so he never gets considered.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 01, 2022, 09:50:43 AM
He should go to Blues once their current fella fulfils his destiny of managing the Hades national side. A perfect fit.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: AV82EC on March 03, 2022, 12:44:30 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/JohnTerry26/status/1499297510984146949

Twat.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: stevenavfc on March 03, 2022, 01:07:48 PM
No surprise he has chosen today to post this. Never been able to locate his moral barometer.
Appallingly tasteless.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: Martin Carruthers on March 03, 2022, 01:11:41 PM
To think I warmed to him a bit after his spell with us...
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: Cliftonville Villlain on March 03, 2022, 01:12:26 PM
Wow. Read the fucking room mate.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: dave.woodhall on March 03, 2022, 01:14:48 PM
He was a twat. Then he was our twat. Now he's a twat.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: Clampy on March 03, 2022, 01:18:19 PM
As clumsy and unbelieveably ill-timed as it is, I think it's just his way of saying thanks. Not very well thought out at all to say the least but that's all I think it is.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: rooboy316 on March 03, 2022, 01:29:04 PM
Wow. Read the fucking room mate.
Judging by the majority of the comments below his post, rooms in Chelsea think a bit differently to the rest of the civilised world.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: Dave P on March 03, 2022, 01:32:34 PM
Wow. Read the fucking room mate.

Was just about to say this
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: Risso on March 03, 2022, 01:32:56 PM
As clumsy and unbelieveably ill-timed as it is, I think it's just his way of saying thanks. Not very well thought out at all to say the least but that's all I think it is.

It probably is that, but as Cliftonville says above, he needs to learn to read the room. It's enormously insensitive and tone deaf.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: Steve67 on March 03, 2022, 02:13:02 PM
Well, he did head the ball A LOT! Silly man.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: Brend'Watkins on March 03, 2022, 03:08:25 PM
When you just thought he might have turned things around.  Nah, Full Kit, Oligarch loving wanker. 
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: Sexual Ealing on March 03, 2022, 03:25:12 PM
Who knew?!
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: Risso on March 03, 2022, 03:41:32 PM
Who knew?!

Fair's fair, you've played the long game on that one!
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: Sexual Ealing on March 03, 2022, 03:47:59 PM
Who knew?!

Fair's fair, you've played the long game on that one!

It's very unusual for me to be right about anything, but come on, John fucking Terry? It doesn't take a genius to see what he is.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: Lucky Eddie on March 03, 2022, 08:56:23 PM
Daft c  unt
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: steamer on March 03, 2022, 09:00:24 PM
Everyone knew/knows that Abramovich money came from his Russian wealth
However not many knew or wanted to know where and how he acquired the wealth. As a Chelsea fan you only saw him pouring money from a seemingly bottomless pit that allowed you to spend obscene amounts of money  on players, have teams of starlets/players out on loans across the world
And then because of this you won things. If you had not won things you probably would not be a Chelsea fan.
So to see youngsters who are probably clueless on the source and implications of his wealth crying and asking him to stay makes me choke and laugh at the same time
As for JT I agree with Dave, as our twat I liked him
under Roman he won lots of stuff , so no big surprise he supports him, Also no brains trust or Mensa candidate
Challenge here is that the FA and many others happy to put the Nelson telescope to their blind eye and " see no ships" when evaluating who should launder their money through the PL
Why before today no loud outrage against the Everton guy who has just been sanctioned
Easy to blame JT for being a twat, when more intelligent twats sit back
 
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: Steve67 on March 03, 2022, 09:12:46 PM
Nicely put Steamer.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: The Moose on March 03, 2022, 10:07:13 PM
"Allegedly" intelligent twats.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: olaftab on March 03, 2022, 10:26:05 PM
Who knew?!
I am also satisfied. We never wavered or blinked or flickered. An opportunist ****** always was always will be.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: Sexual Ealing on March 03, 2022, 10:41:17 PM
Who knew?!
I am also satisfied. We never wavered or blinked or flickered. An opportunist ****** always was always will be.

You don't change your mind about a character like 'JT', or rather, you shouldn't.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: brontebilly on March 03, 2022, 10:46:55 PM
Terry is tone deaf, that's never been in question. Like most "top top" pros (current and past), they are  egotistical maniacs for the most part. Maybe they have to be to really succeed.

I've no real idea how Abramovich accumulated his wealth. But it's far too simplistic to think wealthy Russian = oligarch = Putin backer = evil as the Western media are painting it. As to why he won't publicly denounce Putin, maybe his family and friends would be in immediate danger if he did. Maybe he is being genuine in trying to stop the war and giving huge money to Ukrainian charities. I don't know his motives. I just think this persecution of Russian wealthy individuals by bastions of fairness like the City of London, Switz banks, IFSC (Irish corporate money laundering house) is more than a bit rich.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: Sexual Ealing on March 03, 2022, 10:53:46 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/03/roman-empire-rise-fall-abramovich-reign-chelsea-fc
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: Pete3206 on March 03, 2022, 11:00:26 PM
***Cough***Aluminium wars***Cough***
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: Brazilian Villain on March 03, 2022, 11:27:41 PM
I've no real idea..

This might help. https://twitter.com/JUSTIN_AVFC_/status/1499470248617070595
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: Pat McMahon on March 03, 2022, 11:38:33 PM
I've no real idea..

This might help. https://twitter.com/JUSTIN_AVFC_/status/1499470248617070595

I saw that earlier Gary. It’s a superb analysis by Matthew Syed and wasted on the the two chimps he’s trying to educate
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: The Edge on March 03, 2022, 11:49:39 PM
I've no real idea..

This might help. https://twitter.com/JUSTIN_AVFC_/status/1499470248617070595
What a brilliant summary of Abramovic by Matthew Syed. Followed by a polar opposite dumb as fuck comment by Jim White "the Chelsea fans have grown to love him". Well duhhh he has bought every possible trophy for their grubby club several times over.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: Brend'Watkins on March 03, 2022, 11:57:24 PM
I've no real idea..

This might help. https://twitter.com/JUSTIN_AVFC_/status/1499470248617070595

I saw that earlier Gary. It’s a superb analysis by Matthew Syed and wasted on the the two chimps he’s trying to educate

Isn’t it just.  I think deep down the media are too embarrassed to tell it how it really is, scared no doubt of upsetting Chelsea fans worldwide and unaware that those same fans would jump ship for the next club who’s fashionable. 
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: brontebilly on March 04, 2022, 12:07:11 AM
I've no real idea..

This might help. https://twitter.com/JUSTIN_AVFC_/status/1499470248617070595

Thanks for sharing. Jim White coming across as a tit as always.

But do any football fans in the main care much for how their owners have accumulated their wealth? Abramovich worse than Abu Dhabi or Saudi Arabia? Or even quasi arms dealers like Marcus Evans at Ipswich? Or the likes of the Glazers who invest little, load on more debt and have the likes of Fergie cheerleading them Jim White style in the media. Football fans nor football authorities (FA and their fit and proper test) don't give a sh*te.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: Axl Rose on March 04, 2022, 03:12:29 AM
Terry is a ******. Never liked him even when he was playing for us.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: LeeB on March 04, 2022, 10:52:12 AM
I've no real idea..

This might help. https://twitter.com/JUSTIN_AVFC_/status/1499470248617070595

Thanks for sharing. Jim White coming across as a tit as always.

But do any football fans in the main care much for how their owners have accumulated their wealth? Abramovich worse than Abu Dhabi or Saudi Arabia? Or even quasi arms dealers like Marcus Evans at Ipswich? Or the likes of the Glazers who invest little, load on more debt and have the likes of Fergie cheerleading them Jim White style in the media. Football fans nor football authorities (FA and their fit and proper test) don't give a sh*te.

You're sailing close to "They're all as bad as each other".

Whilst the Glazers are despicable leaches, I don't think they've snaffled a nations mineral wealth supporting a murderous tyrant, sold weapons to murderous tyrants or are themselves murderous tyrants.

In my mind, all people with obscene wealth are just that, obscene, but there's clearly a fundamental difference between blowing and chopping innocent people up and ripping them off.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: Risso on March 04, 2022, 11:04:31 AM
I think he's got a point though Lee, in that when it comes to football it's the one area in life where people are more prepared to hold their nose, than almost anything else.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: LeeB on March 04, 2022, 11:15:52 AM
I think he's got a point though Lee, in that when it comes to football it's the one area in life where people are more prepared to hold their nose, than almost anything else.

Of course we do, but the 'are they worse than...' bit was where I take issue.

Anyway, more importantly, I feel I must apologise for typing 'There' instead of 'They're'. I've corrected it now, but the shame of it will haunt me.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: Risso on March 04, 2022, 11:17:01 AM
You've just failed the Fit and Proper Poster test.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: LeeB on March 04, 2022, 11:21:46 AM
You've just failed the Fit and Proper Poster test.

I deserve it, any sympathy should go to my family who have to live with the trauma through no fault of their own.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: Brend'Watkins on March 04, 2022, 12:01:41 PM
I think he's got a point though Lee, in that when it comes to football it's the one area in life where people are more prepared to hold their nose, than almost anything else.

Double standards are littered throughout our society.  Footballer kicks cat, outrage.  Royal family members indiscriminately kill many wild animals for fun, wave flags.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: Bad English on March 04, 2022, 12:38:32 PM
Yes. Wearing blue and yellow and wringing our hands for Ukraine but fuck the Palestinians (add other oppressed peoples who are not white here etc.)
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: spartacuss on March 04, 2022, 12:54:50 PM
Yes. Wearing blue and yellow and wringing our hands for Ukraine but fuck the Palestinians (add other oppressed peoples who are not white here etc.)

Seconded.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 04, 2022, 01:42:25 PM
Yes. Wearing blue and yellow and wringing our hands for Ukraine but fuck the Palestinians (add other oppressed peoples who are not white here etc.)

I don’t know if Trevor Noah is known in Europe but I love his commentary on this. He is a late night talk show host here.

Just a snippet

https://www.newsweek.com/trevor-noah-slams-racist-ukraine-war-coverage-european-reporters-1684074
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: Risso on March 04, 2022, 01:59:33 PM
Yes. Wearing blue and yellow and wringing our hands for Ukraine but fuck the Palestinians (add other oppressed peoples who are not white here etc.)

I don’t know if Trevor Noah is known in Europe but I love his commentary on this. He is a late night talk show host here.

Just a snippet

https://www.newsweek.com/trevor-noah-slams-racist-ukraine-war-coverage-european-reporters-1684074

Hmmm, I think that's mostly wrong to be honest. I think he'd have a point if he was talking specifically about the response to refugees, eg Poland welcoming Ukrainians with open arms, whilst building a wall to keep Syrians and other aslum seekers out.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: dr.chekov on March 04, 2022, 02:19:42 PM
Yes. Wearing blue and yellow and wringing our hands for Ukraine but fuck the Palestinians (add other oppressed peoples who are not white here etc.)

I don’t know if Trevor Noah is known in Europe but I love his commentary on this. He is a late night talk show host here.

Just a snippet

https://www.newsweek.com/trevor-noah-slams-racist-ukraine-war-coverage-european-reporters-1684074

Yeah, some coverage has been ‘questionable’ to say the least. Here is the most recent example I’ve seen…

https://twitter.com/TheKaouther/status/1498960521508560910

And here’s a thread of examples (some of which it looks like Noah used)…

https://twitter.com/non_philosophy/status/1498000420815396872
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: Bad English on March 04, 2022, 02:29:46 PM
I'd just like to point out that John Terry is a twat, I am horrified at what is going on in Ukraine, lighting buildings in blue and yellow and that is all very well, Putin is a ******, but our capacity to ignore suffering and/or highlight it and/or deal with it depending on who is suffering, what colour they are and how capable the people causing the suffering are of fighting back leaves me a bit cynical at times.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 04, 2022, 03:03:02 PM
Yes. Wearing blue and yellow and wringing our hands for Ukraine but fuck the Palestinians (add other oppressed peoples who are not white here etc.)

I don’t know if Trevor Noah is known in Europe but I love his commentary on this. He is a late night talk show host here.

Just a snippet

https://www.newsweek.com/trevor-noah-slams-racist-ukraine-war-coverage-european-reporters-1684074

Hmmm, I think that's mostly wrong to be honest. I think he'd have a point if he was talking specifically about the response to refugees, eg Poland welcoming Ukrainians with open arms, whilst building a wall to keep Syrians and other aslum seekers out.

Not really. His commentary is about the way the media has reported it. He doesn't reference examples of actual examples of coloured refugees being refused entry. Although there had been some reports of that happening which given it's Eastern Europe might not be entirely surprising.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: Risso on March 04, 2022, 03:16:53 PM
I don't think that 'coloured' is considered acceptabe these days mate.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 04, 2022, 03:20:27 PM
I don't think that 'coloured' is considered acceptabe these days mate.

It shows what is different in terms of "accepted or understood" terminology in North America vs Europe. It's commonly used here, as in "people of colour" and as you know I considered myself coloured. Truthfully, I have no idea what is right or wrong anymore and what people decide top get worked up over. Personally, I tend not to get offended by those things with much, much bigger actual racism issues that we are facing.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: LeeB on March 04, 2022, 04:04:09 PM
I don't think that 'coloured' is considered acceptabe these days mate.

It shows what is different in terms of "accepted or understood" terminology in North America vs Europe. It's commonly used here, as in "people of colour" and as you know I considered myself coloured. Truthfully, I have no idea what is right or wrong anymore and what people decide top get worked up over. Personally, I tend not to get offended by those things with much, much bigger actual racism issues that we are facing.

I was specifically taught 'coloured' bad, 'black' good, in my Sociology A level, but that was 1994 and I think things have changed again now.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: Brazilian Villain on March 04, 2022, 04:10:23 PM
I don't think that 'coloured' is considered acceptabe these days mate.

It shows what is different in terms of "accepted or understood" terminology in North America vs Europe. It's commonly used here, as in "people of colour" and as you know I considered myself coloured. Truthfully, I have no idea what is right or wrong anymore and what people decide top get worked up over. Personally, I tend not to get offended by those things with much, much bigger actual racism issues that we are facing.

I was specifically taught 'coloured' bad, 'black' good, in my Sociology A level, but that was 1994 and I think things have changed again now.

When I referred to my African-American friend from New York as 'black' a few years ago he corrected me and said it's better to say 'coloured' so it may be a 'North America v Europe' thing as TV pointed out.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: LeeB on March 04, 2022, 04:17:57 PM
I don't think that 'coloured' is considered acceptabe these days mate.

It shows what is different in terms of "accepted or understood" terminology in North America vs Europe. It's commonly used here, as in "people of colour" and as you know I considered myself coloured. Truthfully, I have no idea what is right or wrong anymore and what people decide top get worked up over. Personally, I tend not to get offended by those things with much, much bigger actual racism issues that we are facing.

I was specifically taught 'coloured' bad, 'black' good, in my Sociology A level, but that was 1994 and I think things have changed again now.

When I referred to my African-American friend from New York as 'black' a few years ago he corrected me and said it's better to say 'coloured' so it may be a 'North America v Europe' thing as TV pointed out.

They can't even spell it properly so I'm not taking any notice of them.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 04, 2022, 04:20:24 PM
I don't think that 'coloured' is considered acceptabe these days mate.

It shows what is different in terms of "accepted or understood" terminology in North America vs Europe. It's commonly used here, as in "people of colour" and as you know I considered myself coloured. Truthfully, I have no idea what is right or wrong anymore and what people decide top get worked up over. Personally, I tend not to get offended by those things with much, much bigger actual racism issues that we are facing.

I was specifically taught 'coloured' bad, 'black' good, in my Sociology A level, but that was 1994 and I think things have changed again now.

When I referred to my African-American friend from New York as 'black' a few years ago he corrected me and said it's better to say 'coloured' so it may be a 'North America v Europe' thing as TV pointed out.

They can't even spell it properly so I'm not taking any notice of them.

I can't argue with any of that. Thankfully here in Canada we spell it correctly. I'm still surprised the Yanks haven't put an e of the end of potato
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: Sexual Ealing on March 04, 2022, 05:31:02 PM
I can think of no more appropriate thread to see this debate playing out.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: Sexual Ealing on March 04, 2022, 05:34:49 PM
“John Terry has always been a c*nt, is still a c*nt, and always will be a c*nt.” - Frederick Rinder, 1936.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: brontebilly on March 04, 2022, 05:56:10 PM
I think he's got a point though Lee, in that when it comes to football it's the one area in life where people are more prepared to hold their nose, than almost anything else.

Double standards are littered throughout our society.  Footballer kicks cat, outrage.  Royal family members indiscriminately kill many wild animals for fun, wave flags.

Must use that one, cheers pal 😜
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: Bad English on March 05, 2022, 08:29:56 AM
He features in Coldwar Steve's latest work (https://twitter.com/Coldwar_Steve/status/1499805890119151619) on Twitter.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: Axl Rose on March 05, 2022, 09:13:25 AM
“John Terry has always been a c*nt, is still a c*nt, and always will be a c*nt.” - Frederick Rinder, 1936.

This.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: Ian. on March 05, 2022, 11:10:18 AM
He features in Coldwar Steve's latest work (https://twitter.com/Coldwar_Steve/status/1499805890119151619) on Twitter.

That’s one big table full of c*nts.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: olaftab on March 05, 2022, 01:12:54 PM
I don't think that 'coloured' is considered acceptabe these days mate.
Yes. Coloured when applied to a human being is a bollocksed word. It has no value or status.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: Lizz on March 05, 2022, 08:56:31 PM
Chelsea fans showing their lack of class - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/60634597
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: Clive W on March 05, 2022, 09:30:51 PM
I don't think that 'coloured' is considered acceptabe these days mate.
Yes. Coloured when applied to a human being is a bollocksed word. It has no value or status.

But this is the problem with vocabulary and terminology changing over generations

I’m of an age that remembers Basil D’Oliveira being referred to as the “Cape coloured cricketer”. It was used in the media and was totally acceptable at the time

Some time later, the term “coloured” was deemed offensive and was replaced by “black”   

Now, under certain circumstances as I understand it, that is no longer acceptable, and has to be replaced by “person of colour”

I’m sure that in a few years, long after I have departed, calling someone “a person of colour” will be classed as offensive

We should not always judge yesterday’s standards by what is considered acceptable today

Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: colin69 on March 05, 2022, 09:48:30 PM
John Terry was a good player and coach for us. Personally I don’t care about anything else he does.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: astonvilla82 on March 05, 2022, 09:58:25 PM
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Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: aj2k77 on March 05, 2022, 11:43:07 PM
John Terry was a good player and coach for us. Personally I don’t care about anything else he does.

I do. At the end of the day he played for us in a game. Although it's a passion and a life long love it's a piss around and a pass time.When I see peoples homes being turned to rubble and their life's goals reduced to nothing then I don't and won't support anyone to do with us celebrating an enabler of it.

Fuck Terry.  Gormless prick, theirs more to being a good human than throwing money at a game.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: Ger Regan on March 09, 2022, 07:35:19 PM
I hear his NFT has dropped in value by 90%. I am very surprised.
Title: Re: John Terry - Gone
Post by: dave.woodhall on March 09, 2022, 07:55:37 PM
I hear his NFT has dropped in value by 90%. I am very surprised.

Is that anything to do with XG?
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