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Title: John Terry - Confirmed Assistant Coach
Post by: dave.woodhall on June 21, 2017, 09:39:08 PM
May as well start a seperate thread now.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on June 21, 2017, 09:42:46 PM
Leader, Legend.

Kidding, kidding :)
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Lucky Eddie on June 21, 2017, 09:43:23 PM
He'll do for me
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 21, 2017, 09:45:09 PM
We know what you are.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Zouch Villa on June 21, 2017, 09:45:55 PM
AVsBJT
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: peter w on June 21, 2017, 09:46:55 PM
Is this thread started because it's likely to happen? or is it still newspaper speculation?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 21, 2017, 09:47:58 PM
Many places are reporting we've offered a contract, so sadly he gets his own thread.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Meanwood Villa on June 21, 2017, 09:54:40 PM
Oh dear.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Newby on June 21, 2017, 09:58:08 PM
Make us mean and hated by the rest. One season only, get us back up. JT is a winner and will help to change the slack ass culture. He's still a horrible bloke but I honestly think he will help in some way.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Nev on June 21, 2017, 09:59:14 PM
Bang

All my hopes and optimism for the club just vanished.

If anyone really thinks this bloke could give two fucks about Aston Villa then I hope and pray that you are right and I am wrong but like so many misguided moves of the past, this has all the hallmarks of a gamble that just won't work.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: class-of-82 on June 21, 2017, 10:01:08 PM
" make us mean and hated by the rest"
love it bring it on
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: boozey182 on June 21, 2017, 10:01:27 PM
Even if he doesn't split the dressing room, he's already splitting the fan base. It's a ludicrous move.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: boozey182 on June 21, 2017, 10:02:39 PM
Make us mean and hated by the rest. One season only, get us back up. JT is a winner and will help to change the slack ass culture. He's still a horrible bloke but I honestly think he will help in some way.

I'd love us to be hated because we won all the time. Not because we provided pensions for detestable human beings.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: phantom limb on June 21, 2017, 10:05:26 PM
Awful, terrible, appallingly bad idea on a number of levels.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on June 21, 2017, 10:06:19 PM
Make us mean and hated by the rest. One season only, get us back up. JT is a winner and will help to change the slack ass culture. He's still a horrible bloke but I honestly think he will help in some way.

I'd love us to be hated because we won all the time. Not because we provided pensions for detestable human beings.

I would take both.

Then again Terry is not one of my "I am done with this club till he is gone" players. I have some of those, but he isnt one. I do respect those fellow fans who do feel that way though.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: old man villa fan on June 21, 2017, 10:07:52 PM
Assuming that it is the manager's decision, Steve Bruce is p****** me off.  First bringing back GA and now JT.  Why not go for the hat-trick Steve and bring Richards back into the team.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 21, 2017, 10:08:27 PM
As he seems a tad divisive i've added a poll for the hell of it.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Damo70 on June 21, 2017, 10:08:57 PM
Bang

All my hopes and optimism for the club just vanished.

If anyone really thinks this bloke could give two fucks about Aston Villa then I hope and pray that you are right and I am wrong but like so many misguided moves of the past, this has all the hallmarks of a gamble that just won't work.



I don't want to share a flat with him or him to go out with my daughter and I really wouldn't like him getting up close and friendly with my wife. But as a footballer I would sign him.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 21, 2017, 10:10:16 PM
We've been rubbish for years but have always had a bit of class. That's gone if we sign Terry, but it's far from a guarantee that we will stop being rubbish. He's a racist and an arsehole.

Tell him to fuck off.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Damo70 on June 21, 2017, 10:11:14 PM
As he seems a tad divisive i've added a poll for the hell of it.


Tad divisive? PWS you win the most understated post of the year award.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: boozey182 on June 21, 2017, 10:11:36 PM
Make us mean and hated by the rest. One season only, get us back up. JT is a winner and will help to change the slack ass culture. He's still a horrible bloke but I honestly think he will help in some way.

I'd love us to be hated because we won all the time. Not because we provided pensions for detestable human beings.

I would take both.

Then again Terry is not one of my "I am done with this club till he is gone" players. I have some of those, but he isnt one. I do respect those fellow fans who do feel that way though.

That's fair enough. I fully understand that not everyone will feel as strongly about this as I do. (But just out of curiosity, who are the players that you consider to be more heinous than Terry?!?)
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 21, 2017, 10:11:56 PM
He's the very last person I'd want to see playing for us, and I include Carol Decker in that. He won't even be effective. This is a dreadful idea.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 21, 2017, 10:12:21 PM
As he seems a tad divisive i've added a poll for the hell of it.

Tad divisive? PWS you win the most understated post of the year award.

Woohoo. Where's my prize?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Damo70 on June 21, 2017, 10:16:37 PM
He had an affair and made a racist comment. I think possibly a lot of people are living in glass houses and throwing stones.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Newby on June 21, 2017, 10:17:08 PM
He's the very last person I'd want to see playing for us, and I include Carol Decker in that. He won't even be effective. This is a dreadful idea.

You bastard!! What the fuck has Carol ever done to you? She'd make a cracking centre half. And possibly be slightly more welcome than JT!!
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Damo70 on June 21, 2017, 10:17:43 PM
As he seems a tad divisive i've added a poll for the hell of it.

Tad divisive? PWS you win the most understated post of the year award.

Woohoo. Where's my prize?





Your prize is John Terry. ;)
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 21, 2017, 10:18:58 PM
He had an affair and made a racist comment. I think possibly a lot of people are living in glass houses and throwing stones.

I'm 47 and have found it easy not having an affair or racially abusing another person. I imagine a lot of other people have as well.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Newby on June 21, 2017, 10:19:04 PM
He had an affair and made a racist comment. I think possibly a lot of people are living in glass houses and throwing stones.

Slightly off topic, I always wondered why Ryan Giggs got an easy ride after strumping his sister in law.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: walsall villain on June 21, 2017, 10:19:24 PM
He is very likely to be past it so its a no from me.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 21, 2017, 10:19:39 PM
Footballers are well aware of penalties for racism. It's not an off-the-cuff remark, he knew exactly what he was doing. He's a racist.

We shouldn't be signing him.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: andyh on June 21, 2017, 10:19:50 PM
I have never, ever thought to myself, god, I wish we had John Terry in our team. Never.
That isn't going to change now.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Monty on June 21, 2017, 10:20:21 PM
Glad to see he's addressing the issue of pace in our defence by signing essentially a racist oak tree.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Deano's Mullet on June 21, 2017, 10:20:28 PM
No thanks
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Damo70 on June 21, 2017, 10:22:02 PM
He's the very last person I'd want to see playing for us, and I include Carol Decker in that. He won't even be effective. This is a dreadful idea.

You bastard!! What the fuck has Carol ever done to you? She'd make a cracking centre half. And possibly be slightly more welcome than JT!!


Coincidentally, along with Carol Decker John Terry also has the possible option of having China in his hand.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: KevinGage on June 21, 2017, 10:22:04 PM
This is probably the first player we have gone for that Xia has actually heard of, so can understand him acting like a child loaded up on E numbers. 

Or maybe that's just his usual twitter persona.

It was a scenario discussed on the other thread: how would we feel if another Championship club went for him.   Personally, I'd be delighted if Hull or Slumberland signed him. Imagine even a semi fit Hogan or Kodjia running at a backline containing either Terry and Dawson or Terry and O'Shea. 

That and the Blackcats landing Tony Adams as manager (are they really that mental) would illustrate some poor sods really do have it worse.

It's stating the obvious, but to do well next season and finish top two we are going to have to be a good team.  Average>above average results and performances might just be enough to squeak top 6, if some of the other big hitters take a season off.  But for automatic promotion we will need to dominate a league campaign in a way we haven't managed since 1992/93. 

You don't achieve that by making a bit part and divisive figure your highest paid player. Not if you value team morale. To address the fuckton of issues we have had since 2010, we need to learn from past mistakes.  But this sort of move demonstrates we're still looking for shortcuts.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: ozzjim on June 21, 2017, 10:22:42 PM
Glad to see he's addressing the issue of pace in our defence by signing essentially a racist oak tree.

Lol... made me chuckle. Fuck we are screwed sideways if Terry, Whelan, Elhomady and Johstone are the master plan.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Lizz on June 21, 2017, 10:24:45 PM
Not a signing I wanted.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 21, 2017, 10:26:28 PM
Glad to see he's addressing the issue of pace in our defence by signing essentially a racist oak tree.

Lol... made me chuckle. Fuck we are screwed sideways if Terry, Whelan, Elhomady and Johstone are the master plan.

Maybe we'll get that pacey young whippersnapper Joe Ledley as well.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: saunders_heroes on June 21, 2017, 10:26:32 PM
Assuming that it is the manager's decision, Steve Bruce is p****** me off.  First bringing back GA and now JT.  Why not go for the hat-trick Steve and bring Richards back into the team.

I thought bringing back Agbonlahor for the Small Heath match turned out quite well, didn't you?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Zouch Villa on June 21, 2017, 10:28:01 PM
He's a detestable cnut, but he's considering dropping down a division rather than looking to the states or China for his last pay check, so hopefully he is motivated more by the football than the cash.

We have been far too easily bullied, intimidated and pushed aside for too long, so if he brings some steel (with a side order of nastiness), I'm prepared to give him the benefit of doubt. However, if he puts one foot wrong, he'll take an absolute hammering.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: saunders_heroes on June 21, 2017, 10:30:37 PM
He's a detestable cnut, but he's considering dropping down a division rather than looking to the states or China for his last pay check, so hopefully he is motivated more by the football than the cash.

We have been far too easily bullied, intimidated and pushed aside for too long, so if he brings some steel (with a side order of nastiness), I'm prepared to give him the benefit of doubt. However, if he puts one foot wrong, he'll take an absolute hammering.

Hear hear! Sign him up and be done with it. It'll be good to finally get a nasty so so in the team, and a winner.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 21, 2017, 10:33:04 PM
He's the very last person I'd want to see playing for us, and I include Carol Decker in that. He won't even be effective. This is a dreadful idea.

You bastard!! What the fuck has Carol ever done to you? She'd make a cracking centre half. And possibly be slightly more welcome than JT!!

What has she done to me? Allowed me acres of space to score from a corner with my head. And I don't get many with my head.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Axl Rose on June 21, 2017, 10:34:32 PM
Oh dear.

My sentiments exactly.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: old man villa fan on June 21, 2017, 10:34:37 PM
Assuming that it is the manager's decision, Steve Bruce is p****** me off.  First bringing back GA and now JT.  Why not go for the hat-trick Steve and bring Richards back into the team.

I thought bringing back Agbonlahor for the Small Heath match turned out quite well, didn't you?

And what else did he do in the rest of the games he played.  £3m for one goal that Harry Redknapp's wife could have scored (until he ran her over).  Great example for young players at the club.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Monty on June 21, 2017, 10:34:44 PM
You know, I remember when not being nasty enough c**ts was a massive problem that was going to be solved by bringing in Keane, Jedinak, Elphick, bringing back Hutton and so on. Perhaps we could try signing talent instead.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: dicedlam on June 21, 2017, 10:35:21 PM
Repulsive prick...but if he helps to get my team out of this god awful league, then I could stomach the bastard for a season or two.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: boozey182 on June 21, 2017, 10:35:45 PM
Is our expectation of a Villa player so low that we even have to bend the "Don't say anything racist" rule? I really thought that one would have been easy enough to fulfil. I hate to sound like a saint, and I am a few years younger than VBJT, but I haven't racially abused anyone at work yet.

(I do abuse nationals of a country the day after they suffer a terrorist attack though)

(I don't)
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 21, 2017, 10:35:50 PM
Yep, can't wait to pay millions to a scumbag to do things like this. Just what we need.

&t=12s
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on June 21, 2017, 10:42:27 PM
Make us mean and hated by the rest. One season only, get us back up. JT is a winner and will help to change the slack ass culture.He's still a horrible bloke but I honestly think he will help in some way.

That's exactly what people said about Roy Keane.  We never learn, do we?

I fear two things:

One, this reckless deal bankrupts us and leaves us doomed for years.

Two, what Brian Green said earlier, chillingly: Terry will be our next manager.

Bloody hate football, me.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on June 21, 2017, 10:44:43 PM
Make us mean and hated by the rest. One season only, get us back up. JT is a winner and will help to change the slack ass culture. He's still a horrible bloke but I honestly think he will help in some way.

I'd love us to be hated because we won all the time. Not because we provided pensions for detestable human beings.

I would take both.

Then again Terry is not one of my "I am done with this club till he is gone" players. I have some of those, but he isnt one. I do respect those fellow fans who do feel that way though.

That's fair enough. I fully understand that not everyone will feel as strongly about this as I do. (But just out of curiosity, who are the players that you consider to be more heinous than Terry?!?)

Joey Barton, James McClean to name two. I would also feel tested if Suarez showed up in a few years. Again I dont like John Terry, but he doesnt hit my button you know?

Anyways, hopefully this will all be moot and terry will bugger off overseas somewhere.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 21, 2017, 10:44:59 PM
Joe Cole was a winner as well, the club even made sure we knew it by doing this.

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRJJ4C3ZIk-Locr5DZ3An0F8s6ihuAjLV3k2c1cDoEWbYKZsSwYoA)
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: saunders_heroes on June 21, 2017, 10:45:17 PM
Assuming that it is the manager's decision, Steve Bruce is p****** me off.  First bringing back GA and now JT.  Why not go for the hat-trick Steve and bring Richards back into the team.

I thought bringing back Agbonlahor for the Small Heath match turned out quite well, didn't you?

And what else did he do in the rest of the games he played.  £3m for one goal that Harry Redknapp's wife could have scored (until he ran her over).  Great example for young players at the club.

So I take it you didn't cheer that goal then, out of principle?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Damo70 on June 21, 2017, 10:49:07 PM
You know, I remember when not being nasty enough c**ts was a massive problem that was going to be solved by bringing in Keane, Jedinak, Elphick, bringing back Hutton and so on. Perhaps we could try signing talent instead.


Signing talent??? You are so behind the times. Remember the 'Young and Hungry' Lambert plan? Then the 'cheap and cheerful plan'. It is like Baldrick from Blackadder with his 'cunning plans'. I'm terrified at what the next 'plan' might be.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: KevinGage on June 21, 2017, 10:49:56 PM
Joe Cole was a winner as well, the club even made sure we knew it by doing this.

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRJJ4C3ZIk-Locr5DZ3An0F8s6ihuAjLV3k2c1cDoEWbYKZsSwYoA)

That's what we need. More players who have played for the Ing er land. They have the pashun.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Ads on June 21, 2017, 10:51:31 PM
Glad to see he's addressing the issue of pace in our defence by signing essentially a racist oak tree.

Pace isn't an issue, concentration is.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 21, 2017, 10:51:57 PM
You know, I remember when not being nasty enough c**ts was a massive problem that was going to be solved by bringing in Keane, Jedinak, Elphick, bringing back Hutton and so on. Perhaps we could try signing talent instead.


Signing talent??? You are so behind the times. Remember the 'Young and Hungry' Lambert plan? Then the 'cheap and cheerful plan'. It is like Baldrick from Blackadder with his 'cunning plans'. I'm terrified at what the next 'plan' might be.

Maybe we'll be signing all these players we're being linked with to get the cold weather payments in the winter, added income towards FFP.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Monty on June 21, 2017, 10:53:03 PM
Glad to see he's addressing the issue of pace in our defence by signing essentially a racist oak tree.

Pace isn't an issue, concentration is.

I think everything is, to be fair.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: KevinGage on June 21, 2017, 10:54:46 PM
You know, I remember when not being nasty enough c**ts was a massive problem that was going to be solved by bringing in Keane, Jedinak, Elphick, bringing back Hutton and so on. Perhaps we could try signing talent instead.


Signing talent??? You are so behind the times. Remember the 'Young and Hungry' Lambert plan? Then the 'cheap and cheerful plan'. It is like Baldrick from Blackadder with his 'cunning plans'. I'm terrified at what the next 'plan' might be.

Doing precisely what we have done eighteen times before is exactly the last thing they'll expect us to do this time.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: robbyfvillain on June 21, 2017, 10:58:59 PM
Yep, can't wait to pay millions to a scumbag to do things like this. Just what we need.

&t=12s

That was the only time I thought about Terry playing for the Villa. My thought was I bet he would have been sent off if he played for us.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 21, 2017, 11:01:21 PM
Judging by how the FA seem to treat us, if it had been a Villa player he'd still be serving the ban.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on June 21, 2017, 11:02:57 PM
I thought we only had £1m to spend this summer?  We will blow £3m on him in a year for starters.  I'd be a lot happier if there were any signs of Micah Fcukin Richards going and Gabby for that matter. Imagine these three clicking in training laughing like hyenas.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on June 21, 2017, 11:04:04 PM
Judging by how the FA seem to treat us, if it had been a Villa player he'd still be serving the ban.

Very good.

It's got worse as well. If that had happened this season Petrov would have been banned for harming the Chelsea player.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 21, 2017, 11:17:23 PM
You know, I remember when not being nasty enough c**ts was a massive problem that was going to be solved by bringing in Keane, Jedinak, Elphick, bringing back Hutton and so on. Perhaps we could try signing talent instead.

We agree once more, Montague.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Monty on June 21, 2017, 11:18:37 PM
You know, I remember when not being nasty enough c**ts was a massive problem that was going to be solved by bringing in Keane, Jedinak, Elphick, bringing back Hutton and so on. Perhaps we could try signing talent instead.

We agree once more, Montague.

With pleasure, Sexual...bert.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 21, 2017, 11:21:06 PM
You know, I remember when not being nasty enough c**ts was a massive problem that was going to be solved by bringing in Keane, Jedinak, Elphick, bringing back Hutton and so on. Perhaps we could try signing talent instead.

We agree once more, Montague.

With pleasure, Sexual...bert.

Sexualoysius. It's a James Joyce thing.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on June 21, 2017, 11:21:19 PM
What concerns me is ..... who has suggested this signing and who is advising the owner that it is a sensible move. For me it is a financial gamble with a potential to split the fan base just when we need everyone to be pulling in the same direction.
We all want promotion this season and yes we need to do everything we can to maximise the opportunity, however this smacks of desperation and mirrors numerous other risky signing we have made in the past - as a club we don't appear to learn by our expensive failings in the past ......
   
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: London Villan on June 21, 2017, 11:24:48 PM
I wonder if him remembers the reaction he got when he was stretchered off a couple of years ago.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: sickbeggar on June 21, 2017, 11:28:31 PM
Quite happy about it. He's a winner and its a long time since we had one of those here. Think he will cope at this level if he stays fit - big question mark admittedly. All the racist crap, well he was found not guilty although you wouldn't know it reading this thread. Personally if players like Drogba thought he was racist i've no doubt he or them would have left chelsea at the time over the issue. Whether he can cope with some of the work shy fuckers at our club is another thing - probably be quite an eye opener for him.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 21, 2017, 11:29:56 PM
I'll judge the summer transfer business by what we do besides Terry. It's about the net of all players in and out that will define the window. I've said yes to Terry as it is one year and despite what we all feel about him he's been a leader at a high level. He'll need to stay fit and that's naturally a concern but I think at Championship level he has more than enough ability even at 37.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 21, 2017, 11:31:58 PM
What concerns me is ..... who has suggested this signing and who is advising the owner that it is a sensible move. For me it is a financial gamble with a potential to split the fan base just when we need everyone to be pulling in the same direction.
We all want promotion this season and yes we need to do everything we can to maximise the opportunity, however this smacks of desperation and mirrors numerous other risky signing we have made in the past - as a club we don't appear to learn by our expensive failings in the past ......
   

Steve Bruce surely given he's been playing Golf with him for seemingly the last week.

I would've been dead against this move if we were still a prem club but we aren't and we certainly need all the help going to get out of this league. I can certainly understand people who don't want him though.

Any word on length of contract, 1-2 years, coaching aswell, promise of captaincy which would certainly be a mistake.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Dave on June 21, 2017, 11:39:07 PM
Joey Barton, James McClean to name two. I would also feel tested if Suarez showed up in a few years. Again I dont like John Terry, but he doesnt hit my button you know?

Has Suarez really done anything that much worse?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 21, 2017, 11:39:47 PM
Why would he not be captain? He's hardly going to come to the club if he's not captain.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 21, 2017, 11:40:56 PM
I thought we only had £1m to spend this summer?  We will blow £3m on him in a year for starters. 

That's transfer fees as a result of FFP.

If that was the case, it would make this sort of deal even more likely - no fee, just big wages.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Dave on June 21, 2017, 11:41:23 PM
Why would he not be captain? He's hardly going to come to the club if he's not captain.

Because we have one already?

Edit - although at least it would be consistent.

2015 - Richards. 2016 - Elphick. 2017 - Terry.

New centre-back bought in by a manager having their first summer transfer window gets the captaincy.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 21, 2017, 11:41:46 PM
He's a massive, massive c*** and I personally would not piss on him if he were on fire, and I would seriously question his mental attitude coming here where we currently languish, but I can't believe anyone really thinks he wouldn't enormously improve our defence.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 21, 2017, 11:42:19 PM
Joey Barton, James McClean to name two. I would also feel tested if Suarez showed up in a few years. Again I dont like John Terry, but he doesnt hit my button you know?

Has Suarez really done anything that much worse?

Has James McClean done anything at all?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 21, 2017, 11:42:24 PM
I'd also like to big up Damon for seeing this coming about 3 years ago and changing his username appropriately.

Prescient stuff.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 21, 2017, 11:43:31 PM
I'd also like to big up Damon for seeing this coming about 3 years ago and changing his username appropriately.

Prescient stuff.

Agreed. We all love JT now. All hail JT!
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 21, 2017, 11:43:40 PM
Why would he not be captain? He's hardly going to come to the club if he's not captain.

Because we have one already?


When it comes to captains and we have John Terry at the club he's the obvious choice as captain. Not James Chester
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 21, 2017, 11:46:00 PM
Not really. Chester has proven himself as a Villa player, Terry hasn't. I see no need to change the captain, and I think Chester would, rightly, see it as an undeserved snub if we did.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 21, 2017, 11:47:07 PM
Why would he not be captain? He's hardly going to come to the club if he's not captain.

I remember years ago Wolves signed that guy from SHA and instantly made him captain and what was a stable dressing room totally disintegrated and they were relegated with a whimper.

I'm not a fan of making new players captain unless the incumbent actually suggests it which maybe Chester will do.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Dave on June 21, 2017, 11:48:25 PM
Why would he not be captain? He's hardly going to come to the club if he's not captain.

Because we have one already?


When it comes to captains and we have John Terry at the club he's the obvious choice as captain. Not James Chester

Why, does he win more coin tosses?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Damo70 on June 21, 2017, 11:49:08 PM
He's a massive, massive c*** and I personally would not piss on him if he were on fire, and I would seriously question his mental attitude coming here where we currently languish, but I can't believe anyone really thinks he wouldn't enormously improve our defence.

Hitting the nail on the head. I have worked with a lot of people I didn't particularly like but they got the job done.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 21, 2017, 11:49:56 PM
Pretty easy to see why some folks aren't convinced that a 36, soon to be 37, year old that has hardly played for a year may not improve our defence at all. First of all hardly any of us, or anyone, has seen him play much for a year, and secondly he actually needs to get on the pitch. Maybe he would improve us, it's hardly guaranteed though.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on June 21, 2017, 11:51:48 PM
Joey Barton, James McClean to name two. I would also feel tested if Suarez showed up in a few years. Again I dont like John Terry, but he doesnt hit my button you know?

Has Suarez really done anything that much worse?

Has James McClean done anything at all?

He is an anti British bigot who openly supports terrorists who murdered people in my home city. So yes. He is "not my cup of tea" as they say. He can fuck right off.

@dave for Suarez. Probably similar levels of asshattery to Terry to be fair. I find the combo of odious racism with blatant cheating puts him over the top. But for sure its close :)
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 21, 2017, 11:52:07 PM
Why would he not be captain? He's hardly going to come to the club if he's not captain.

Because we have one already?


When it comes to captains and we have John Terry at the club he's the obvious choice as captain. Not James Chester

Why, does he win more coin tosses?

Is that all Captain does? If that's the case just give it Gabby.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 21, 2017, 11:53:19 PM
He needs to be captain if he signs so as he can organise his guard of honour every time he leaves the pitch.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Dave on June 21, 2017, 11:53:26 PM
Joey Barton, James McClean to name two. I would also feel tested if Suarez showed up in a few years. Again I dont like John Terry, but he doesnt hit my button you know?

Has Suarez really done anything that much worse?

Has James McClean done anything at all?

I'd bet the DUP would say so. Otherwise, not so much.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: tomd2103 on June 21, 2017, 11:53:35 PM
Pretty easy to see why some folks aren't convinced that a 36, soon to be 37, year old that has hardly played for a year may not improve our defence at all. First of all hardly any of us, or anyone, has seen him play much for a year, and secondly he actually needs to get on the pitch. Maybe he would improve us, it's hardly guaranteed though.

Agreed PWS.  It's a massive risk and an expensive one at that according to some sources (£3m + another £2m if we go up one source is quoting).  Just seems an unnecessary gamble in the position we are in.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: olaftab on June 21, 2017, 11:53:42 PM
He had an affair and made a racist comment. I think possibly a lot of people are living in glass houses and throwing stones.

I'm 47 and have found it easy not having an affair or racially abusing another person. I imagine a lot of other people have as well.
Exactly. However I don't believe you are 47 ;)
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 21, 2017, 11:53:58 PM
Why would he not be captain? He's hardly going to come to the club if he's not captain.

I remember years ago Wolves signed that guy from SHA and instantly made him captain and what was a stable dressing room totally disintegrated and they were relegated with a whimper.

I'm not a fan of making new players captain unless the incumbent actually suggests it which maybe Chester will do.

But he's hardly some no name. There's a big difference between just changing the captain versus changing it to someone who has captained club and country.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 21, 2017, 11:54:08 PM
Another bad thing about making Terry captain is that it makes him a symbol of the club. A revolting thought.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Dave on June 21, 2017, 11:57:21 PM
Why would he not be captain? He's hardly going to come to the club if he's not captain.

Because we have one already?


When it comes to captains and we have John Terry at the club he's the obvious choice as captain. Not James Chester

Why, does he win more coin tosses?

Is that all Captain does? If that's the case just give it Gabby.

Well...yes. Actually I think they're the first in line to be wheeled out for a press conference as well. So two things.

Are you suggesting that all these young impressionable players like Jedinak, Hutton and Lansbury will only bother listening to Terry's "come on lads, we got these" shouts if he has a bit of elastic on his arm?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 21, 2017, 11:59:35 PM
Joey Barton, James McClean to name two. I would also feel tested if Suarez showed up in a few years. Again I dont like John Terry, but he doesnt hit my button you know?

Has Suarez really done anything that much worse?

Has James McClean done anything at all?

He is an anti British bigot who openly supports terrorists who murdered people in my home city. So yes. He is "not my cup of tea" as they say. He can fuck right off.



Is this about not wearing a poppy? If that's all you've got, you need to see a doctor.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 22, 2017, 12:05:35 AM
I'm sure Let's Argue About James McClean Day gets earlier every year.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: olaftab on June 22, 2017, 12:05:49 AM
I'd also like to big up Damon for seeing this coming about 3 years ago and changing his username appropriately.

Prescient stuff.
Hail Damon. He is the true messiah.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: paul_e on June 22, 2017, 12:09:24 AM
He's a massive, massive c*** and I personally would not piss on him if he were on fire, and I would seriously question his mental attitude coming here where we currently languish, but I can't believe anyone really thinks he wouldn't enormously improve our defence.

2-3 years ago he would have but there's a good reason why you don't see many 36-37 year olds playing.  I get that he was never that quick so losing his pace isn't a massive blow, but I'm worried he's past that now.  Football is about lots of short sprints, even for slower players, and there comes a point where the legs just don't recover as quickly and filling the lungs gets harder. In the Watford game Terry looked like he'd reached that point.  He scored a decent goal from a corner, ran around celebrating and then got caught taking a bit of a rest and couldn't get behind a ball to head it away and instead just flicked it on for the Watford equaliser.  Terry 2 years ago doesn't make that mistake and, in my opinion, no amount of fitness work in the summer will remove that problem.  On top of that to justify giving him the sort of money we've offered he really needs to play 35+ games and I honestly don't think he's capable of that.

I'm not the same as most people on here, I don't care that he's a bellend (there's no debate here, he definitely is one), I reckon 30 years ago you'd have found 2-3 players in every club that were worse than him but because they weren't celebrities no one really gave a shit.  Getting angry about him being a bellend is just buying ever more into the idea that football is as much about the lifestyle as it is the game.  I think plenty of our players from the last 15-20 years are just as bad, I just think so long as they're not breaking the law it doesn't really matter that much.  People talk about footballers being role models, I think that if you're letting your kids look at someone like John Terry or Wayne Rooney as their lifestyle icon then you've got bigger problems than them letting you don't by shagging around or acting like a twat.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Risso on June 22, 2017, 12:09:32 AM
I'm sure Let's Argue About James McClean Day gets earlier every year.

It's no Tit Monday to be fair.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Damo70 on June 22, 2017, 12:16:02 AM
I'm sure Let's Argue About James McClean Day gets earlier every year.

It's no Tit Monday to be fair.


Was that the one by New Order or The Bangles? I get them mixed up.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Drummond on June 22, 2017, 12:34:56 AM
He's a massive, massive c*** and I personally would not piss on him if he were on fire, and I would seriously question his mental attitude coming here where we currently languish, but I can't believe anyone really thinks he wouldn't enormously improve our defence.

Quite.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: brian green on June 22, 2017, 07:07:22 AM
I am firmly in the PWS school that says there is no evidence that he will bring this magical improvement to our defence.

This thread and the other one show that there is very clear division in the fan base between those whose unwavering support and commitment to the club is based on more than the weekly score line and those who think the weekly score line and nothing but the weekly score line is all that matters.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: itbrvilla on June 22, 2017, 07:07:46 AM
Bang

All my hopes and optimism for the club just vanished.

If anyone really thinks this bloke could give two fucks about Aston Villa then I hope and pray that you are right and I am wrong but like so many misguided moves of the past, this has all the hallmarks of a gamble that just won't work.
Spot on. Do we have a plan? A scouting network? Someone watching the budget? We appear to me as much of a shambles as at any point in the last 10 years. 
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on June 22, 2017, 07:18:20 AM
Bang

All my hopes and optimism for the club just vanished.

If anyone really thinks this bloke could give two fucks about Aston Villa then I hope and pray that you are right and I am wrong but like so many misguided moves of the past, this has all the hallmarks of a gamble that just won't work.
Spot on. Do we have a plan? A scouting network? Someone watching the budget? We appear to me as much of a shambles as at any point in the last 10 years.

This for me as well
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: luca_30 on June 22, 2017, 07:43:02 AM
This feels very familiar to the Brexit argument. Pro-Brexit = Pro Terry? A punt in the dark on something that might turn out alright (but isn't likely) but able to split us all.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 22, 2017, 07:51:37 AM
If I look past his obvious character flaws and look from a playing perspective, if he is fit and on the pitch, and is motivated, he should be more than good enough at this level. The fitness is a big question though. Also I do struggle to look past those character flaws.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on June 22, 2017, 07:57:34 AM
As fit as he may be a concern is the rigours of the championship for a 37 year old

If like jedinak he manages 32 odd games thats 14 where we are chopping and changing
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on June 22, 2017, 08:20:39 AM
I don't think he will have any idea of how tough this division is until he tries it and gets injured away at Cardiff on the 2nd Saturday.  Imagine him playing away at Barnsley on a cold Tuesday night.

He played all right in Sheffield on a cold Tuesday night to be fair.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: MoetVillan on June 22, 2017, 08:30:11 AM
I think one of his many issues has been his ability to play away
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Damo70 on June 22, 2017, 08:32:10 AM
I don't think he will have any idea of how tough this division is until he tries it and gets injured away at Cardiff on the 2nd Saturday.  Imagine him playing away at Barnsley on a cold Tuesday night.

Great football cliches. 'Barnsley on a cold Wednesday night'. I will counter that with 'Rotherham on a wet Wednesday night'.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cannock villa on June 22, 2017, 08:33:21 AM
We need to change our name to Southampton as we have a hell of a lot of saints for supporters. How many on here calling him all the name's under the sun can say with hand on heart they have never make a comment about the colour of somebodies skin colour or race whether in jest or not.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 22, 2017, 08:40:14 AM
I can honestly say I've never racially abused someone. If I did, I wouldn't expect to keep my job. It's to Chelsea's shame that they stood by the racist, and would be to Villa's shame if we compound their error of judgement by signing the bigot.

Let him go to somewhere like Russia or Serbia where he'll be appreciated.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: The Edge on June 22, 2017, 08:41:12 AM
I don't think he would disrupt the dressing room in fact I think the opposite. I think he's at an age where at least one last hurrah would still be in his locker and he could be a lynch pin for our promotion push next season. Do I like the man? From what I've heard. No. Would I like to go for a pint with him? No. But I would cheer a goal he stuck in the net at the Holte End. I'd cheer a crunching tackle or heroic header. Make no mistake if we fail again this season we are in serious danger of sliding into oblivion. For me it's a chance we have to take.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 22, 2017, 08:43:55 AM
There's no guarantee he will bring success, any more than previous "winners" such as Schmeichel, Lescott and Richards did.

I'd rather we invested in a young centre-half who will get better, rather than one on the wain.

Baker and Chester are among the better partnerships in the division anyway, so someone who can provide cover and will improve over time is the way to go.

If we are spending stupid money on one player, a creative, pacey, midfielder is the obvious choice.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: dave shelley on June 22, 2017, 08:45:51 AM
Aston Villa has an esteemed history that is second to none.  It does not need John Terry to sully it.  Not for me thanks.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on June 22, 2017, 08:47:48 AM
I'd say throwing big money at a controversial past-it centre-half could well speed our journey to oblivion.

Oh, and to answer CV, I've managed to never racially abuse anyone. Not sure how it can be done "in jest" either.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on June 22, 2017, 08:51:49 AM
There's no guarantee he will bring success, any more than previous "winners" such as Schmeichel, Lescott and Richards did.

I'd rather we invested in a young centre-half who will get better, rather than one on the wain.

Baker and Chester are among the better partnerships in the division anyway, so someone who can provide cover and will improve over time is the way to go.

If we are spending stupid money on one player, a creative, pacey, midfielder is the obvious choice.

Bolded has been true for years, I am baffled why all recent our managers have not taken the midfield problem seriously.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: itbrvilla on June 22, 2017, 08:56:34 AM
There's no guarantee he will bring success, any more than previous "winners" such as Schmeichel, Lescott and Richards did.

I'd rather we invested in a young centre-half who will get better, rather than one on the wain.

Baker and Chester are among the better partnerships in the division anyway, so someone who can provide cover and will improve over time is the way to go.

If we are spending stupid money on one player, a creative, pacey, midfielder is the obvious choice.

Bolded has been true for years, I am baffled why all recent our managers have not taken the midfield problem seriously.
I thought we bought a few last year who as soon as they join us became shite?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Ads on June 22, 2017, 08:59:05 AM
John Terry being at the club for a year sullies our name? Really? When we've added another 60 years onto our history and people look back over our 200 they'll tut at John Terry?

Please. The older amongst you may well have hero worshiped a wife beater or at the very least celebrated his goals. We've had nasty characters before and we will likely have more.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: AVH87 on June 22, 2017, 09:02:44 AM
I'd take him. Think it's different to when we signed the likes of Richards and Lescott, they weren't the long-term Captain of their club side or country.

Think his leadership, organisation and ability would command the respect of the dressing room.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: badluckeric(gates) on June 22, 2017, 09:06:40 AM
I am in favour of this short term. If he is prepared to turn down megabucks offers which surely he will have from china/usa etc to try to get us promotion that's good enough for me.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: olaftab on June 22, 2017, 09:11:28 AM
I don't want him here but I can be persuaded by Darren Woolley. I wish he would hurry up and express his usual strong opinion one way or the other🤔
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Bren'd on June 22, 2017, 09:13:22 AM
Alongside Chester he's better than anything we currently have even allowing for his years and his lack of pace. His added experience and know how will definitely add something. I don't think we'll be too guilty of the defence being 'all over the place' in games next season.

Having said all that, I don't really want him here and would rather as others have suggested opted for a younger player with potential.  If you're Steve Bruce with only this season to get the job done you're not going to take that risk if you can bring in Terry.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 22, 2017, 09:14:16 AM
Yes that's a point I would see this as make or break for Bruce.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on June 22, 2017, 09:17:02 AM
We need to change our name to Southampton as we have a hell of a lot of saints for supporters. How many on here calling him all the name's under the sun can say with hand on heart they have never make a comment about the colour of somebodies skin colour or race whether in jest or not.

True, only yesterday I called someone at work a "fucking black c*nt"
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: itbrvilla on June 22, 2017, 09:20:43 AM
So £100,000 per week and £2m promotion bonus.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 22, 2017, 09:22:22 AM
Where's that come from?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: KevinGage on June 22, 2017, 09:23:53 AM
Wonder if he's had a word with Joe Cole and Bobby Di Matteo and that has swung it for him.

Ideal club to go to, you can get away with less than three months work and still get a big fat pay off.  Would make it even sweeter for him, rinsing the club for £3 -£4 million after all the stick he used to get from the Holte.

Then heading off to the States next season -or even in Jan, if we're desperate enough to get shot that early.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: KevinGage on June 22, 2017, 09:25:19 AM
So £100,000 per week and £2m promotion bonus.

Being reported as £60k with £2 promotion bonus in most places. 
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Bren'd on June 22, 2017, 09:28:24 AM
So £100,000 per week and £2m promotion bonus.

Being reported as £60k with £2 promotion bonus in most places. 

If we get up it's worth it.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: The Edge on June 22, 2017, 09:35:30 AM
Aston Villa has an esteemed history that is second to none.  It does not need John Terry to sully it.  Not for me thanks.
Not so sure signing one player with a bad past can sully the reputation of our club. We've had some very dodgy characters in our past.We've had playets with bad reputations before.We've even had board members sent to jail for fraud. I'm no fan of JT the man but I think it's a no brainer for a club in our position to sign the player.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: The Laughing Policeman on June 22, 2017, 09:37:14 AM
No thanks. I don't want us to be part of the nasty egotistical buggers farewell tour.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on June 22, 2017, 09:38:57 AM
We need to change our name to Southampton as we have a hell of a lot of saints for supporters. How many on here calling him all the name's under the sun can say with hand on heart they have never make a comment about the colour of somebodies skin colour or race whether in jest or not.

How long have you worked for Kensington and Chelsea council?

True, only yesterday I called someone at work a "fucking black c*nt"

How long have you been working for Kensington and Chelsea Council?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Three Spires Villa on June 22, 2017, 09:47:56 AM
I do not want him at our club for lots of reasons, but mostly its a big wage for a player of his age, i dont think (hope I am wrong) he would cope with the Tuesday / Saturday games.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: CJ on June 22, 2017, 09:51:35 AM
Obnoxious and past it. It's a no from me
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: The Edge on June 22, 2017, 10:16:01 AM
So £100,000 per week and £2m promotion bonus.

Being reported as £60k with £2 promotion bonus in most places. 

If we get up it's worth it.
Come on. If we get promoted it's worth more than  £2
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: stuart445 on June 22, 2017, 10:46:02 AM
Quite happy about it. He's a winner and its a long time since we had one of those here. Think he will cope at this level if he stays fit - big question mark admittedly. All the racist crap, well he was found not guilty although you wouldn't know it reading this thread. Personally if players like Drogba thought he was racist i've no doubt he or them would have left chelsea at the time over the issue. Whether he can cope with some of the work shy fuckers at our club is another thing - probably be quite an eye opener for him.

Remember what what Sherwood said when we'd signed Lescott and Richards, he said what we'd signed is winners. That worked out well didn't it
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: auntiesledd on June 22, 2017, 10:49:45 AM
I can't stand him either, but I think he'd certainly improve our chances of a return to the cash cow aka The Premier League. If Bruce decides he wants Terry, there's sod-all I can do or say to change his mind.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: peter w on June 22, 2017, 10:55:38 AM
The overriding thing for me on the football front is that I'm a little punch drunk with signing players as a gamble, or from clubs that don't really want them anymore, and seeing them being absolutely useless and knowing that we've pissed even more money down the drain. Richards, Lescott, Sinclair, Cole, Holt, Helenius, Senderos, Gestede, Gil, the list goes on but I can't be arsed wit it. I struggle to see Terry being any better than those. Dropping a level doesn't mean the intensity drops. If his legs have 'gone' then he'll be caught out every bit as much as Rio Ferdinand was at QPR. He may not have had much pace to start with, but you don't want him becoming a lunger to make up for it, or Chester and the left-back having to cover for him bringing the midfield deeper.

It has bad decision written all over it and we're doing it just because we can. It's the sort of bad decision that blights many clubs striving for former glories signing players striving for former glories. Neither tend to ever work.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Bren'd on June 22, 2017, 10:57:06 AM
Quite happy about it. He's a winner and its a long time since we had one of those here. Think he will cope at this level if he stays fit - big question mark admittedly. All the racist crap, well he was found not guilty although you wouldn't know it reading this thread. Personally if players like Drogba thought he was racist i've no doubt he or them would have left chelsea at the time over the issue. Whether he can cope with some of the work shy fuckers at our club is another thing - probably be quite an eye opener for him.

Remember what what Sherwood said when we'd signed Lescott and Richards, he said what we'd signed is winners. That worked out well didn't it

The big difference in that is Sherwood, Richards and Lescott.

I'd expect even Bruce a top former defender himself knowing a bit more about the difference between Terry and those you've listed than the 'wingin it' Sherwood.

Terry won't be anywhere near the player he was in his prime but he will be good enough and better than what we've got.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 22, 2017, 10:58:28 AM
We need to change our name to Southampton as we have a hell of a lot of saints for supporters. How many on here calling him all the name's under the sun can say with hand on heart they have never make a comment about the colour of somebodies skin colour or race whether in jest or not.

*Waves*
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: olaftab on June 22, 2017, 11:04:06 AM
Is this another bad decision in the long list of previous bad decisions  that have led to our Club heading  in  downward direction?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Monty on June 22, 2017, 11:06:37 AM
We need to change our name to Southampton as we have a hell of a lot of saints for supporters. How many on here calling him all the name's under the sun can say with hand on heart they have never make a comment about the colour of somebodies skin colour or race whether in jest or not.

'People objecting to Ched Evans? We should change our name to Bill Oddie as we have a lot of Goodies on hear. Who here hand on heart can say they've never forced themselves on a woman without consent, whether in jest or not.'
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Deano's Mullet on June 22, 2017, 11:06:44 AM
Its going to happen isn't it? It just feels like a marquee signing that will cause more trouble than good.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Nelly on June 22, 2017, 11:31:24 AM
A deeply uninspiring attempt at a marquee signing. One that makes me question what sort of scouting policy we have? Just to sign a 'name' player, no matter who, his age, ability or motivation. Hm.

Also, if he were to come, how long before he ends up having a Houllier-esque moment where he waffles on about Chelsea?

I want Villa to try and create it's own legends, not scrape for them at the tail ends of careers at other clubs.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: MalcolmP on June 22, 2017, 11:32:09 AM
Its going to happen isn't it? It just feels like a marquee signing that will cause more trouble than good.

Sign him up - I think Terry's All Gold.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Dave on June 22, 2017, 11:42:49 AM
I'd expect even Bruce a top former defender himself knowing a bit more about the difference between Terry and those you've listed than the 'wingin it' Sherwood.

It doesn't really work like that though.

Lambert's a Champions League winning central midfielder, he still signed Westwood and played him for three seasons.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cannock villa on June 22, 2017, 11:43:59 AM
We need to change our name to Southampton as we have a hell of a lot of saints for supporters. How many on here calling him all the name's under the sun can say with hand on heart they have never make a comment about the colour of somebodies skin colour or race whether in jest or not.

'People objecting to Ched Evans? We should change our name to Bill Oddie as we have a lot of Goodies on hear. Who here hand on heart can say they've never forced themselves on a woman without consent, whether in jest or not.'
Wasn't he cleared ?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: CJ on June 22, 2017, 11:47:25 AM
If his legs have gone in the PL God knows how he'll cope with the games coming thicker and faster in the Championship - 6 games in the first 3 weeks of the season. It's just an all over bad idea.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Monty on June 22, 2017, 11:48:30 AM
We need to change our name to Southampton as we have a hell of a lot of saints for supporters. How many on here calling him all the name's under the sun can say with hand on heart they have never make a comment about the colour of somebodies skin colour or race whether in jest or not.

'People objecting to Ched Evans? We should change our name to Bill Oddie as we have a lot of Goodies on hear. Who here hand on heart can say they've never forced themselves on a woman without consent, whether in jest or not.'
Wasn't he cleared ?

Alright, whatever, replace him with Jimmy Saville or Tarquinius Superbus or whoever on earth you want. Point stands, no?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Chris Smith on June 22, 2017, 11:49:35 AM
Is this another bad decision in the long list of previous bad decisions  that have led to our Club heading  in  downward direction?

Possibly, but I am finding it difficult to be too bothered either way.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 22, 2017, 11:54:23 AM
So £100,000 per week and £2m promotion bonus.

Being reported as £60k with £2 promotion bonus in most places. 

If we get up it's worth it.

Those finances wouldn't be an issue if we got up.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 22, 2017, 11:55:13 AM
We need to change our name to Southampton as we have a hell of a lot of saints for supporters. How many on here calling him all the name's under the sun can say with hand on heart they have never make a comment about the colour of somebodies skin colour or race whether in jest or not.

'People objecting to Ched Evans? We should change our name to Bill Oddie as we have a lot of Goodies on hear. Who here hand on heart can say they've never forced themselves on a woman without consent, whether in jest or not.'
Wasn't he cleared ?

Alright, whatever, replace him with Jimmy Saville or Tarquinius Superbus or whoever on earth you want. Point stands, no?

At least if we are winning one-nil, we will be able to park the Superbus.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: boozey182 on June 22, 2017, 12:02:12 PM
I can't stand him either, but I think he'd certainly improve our chances of a return to the cash cow aka The Premier League. If Bruce decides he wants Terry, there's sod-all I can do or say to change his mind.

I'm not sure that's true, there's plenty we can do. If watching that shit play for Villa would lessen your enjoyment, then tell the club. The majority of people on here don't want him, so we need to make our voices heard.

Tweet Xia and Wyness:
https://twitter.com/Dr_TonyXia?s=09
https://twitter.com/retsub12?s=09

Phone the ticket office and ask about their season ticket refund policy. Email any contact at the club that you can find an email address for. We don't have to stand by and let this happen. If the club make a mistake, it's our job to let them know. We're Aston Villa and we're far too good for John Terry. No matter what division we're in.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 22, 2017, 12:04:06 PM
Maybe the rationale is that this signing will make it easier to attract other players by signing a name.
Maybe we will get first dibs on some of the talent comming through the youth system at Chelsea.

Do the views on here accurately represent the Villa Park faithful?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: manic-road on June 22, 2017, 12:04:56 PM
If he signs then time will tell whether it is a good signing or not. If SB thinks he will improve the defence then so be it.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cannock villa on June 22, 2017, 12:05:26 PM
We need to change our name to Southampton as we have a hell of a lot of saints for supporters. How many on here calling him all the name's under the sun can say with hand on heart they have never make a comment about the colour of somebodies skin colour or race whether in jest or not.

'People objecting to Ched Evans? We should change our name to Bill Oddie as we have a lot of Goodies on hear. Who here hand on heart can say they've never forced themselves on a woman without consent, whether in jest or not.'
Wasn't he cleared ?

Alright, whatever, replace him with Jimmy Saville or Tarquinius Superbus or whoever on earth you want. Point stands, no?
Well no the point doesn't stand. You were trying to be clever by bringing sexual predators into it and referring to someone who you thought had been convicted of rape when on appeal they were cleared.
I don't want us to sign Terry but that is purely down to football reasons, but my point was all the righteous on here are bringing up the race card, how many hands on heart can swear they have never made a stupid comment or even thought it.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: tomd2103 on June 22, 2017, 12:07:57 PM
We need to change our name to Southampton as we have a hell of a lot of saints for supporters. How many on here calling him all the name's under the sun can say with hand on heart they have never make a comment about the colour of somebodies skin colour or race whether in jest or not.

'People objecting to Ched Evans? We should change our name to Bill Oddie as we have a lot of Goodies on hear. Who here hand on heart can say they've never forced themselves on a woman without consent, whether in jest or not.'
Wasn't he cleared ?

Alright, whatever, replace him with Jimmy Saville or Tarquinius Superbus or whoever on earth you want. Point stands, no?

I think a lot of it comes down what, as a fan, you want your club to represent.  I went to watch someone I know play in a game last season against Plymouth and Luke McCormack was in goal for them.  I did find myself thinking that although his circumstances are wildly different  to those of John Terry, could I really support him if he was playing for Villa.

I'm not championing Terry's cause at all, but would the same be said of Ron Atkinson if he were to be appointed by the club in some capacity?   

It's still a no from me though. 
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Monty on June 22, 2017, 12:08:20 PM
And my point is that, just as most of us (I would hope) have never been sexual predators, most of us have never given out any racial abuse to anyone. The exact identity of said hypothetical predator who plays for Villa is, erm, not totally relevant.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 22, 2017, 12:24:28 PM
We need to change our name to Southampton as we have a hell of a lot of saints for supporters. How many on here calling him all the name's under the sun can say with hand on heart they have never make a comment about the colour of somebodies skin colour or race whether in jest or not.

'People objecting to Ched Evans? We should change our name to Bill Oddie as we have a lot of Goodies on hear. Who here hand on heart can say they've never forced themselves on a woman without consent, whether in jest or not.'
Wasn't he cleared ?

Alright, whatever, replace him with Jimmy Saville or Tarquinius Superbus or whoever on earth you want. Point stands, no?
Well no the point doesn't stand. You were trying to be clever by bringing sexual predators into it and referring to someone who you thought had been convicted of rape when on appeal they were cleared.
I don't want us to sign Terry but that is purely down to football reasons, but my point was all the righteous on here are bringing up the race card, how many hands on heart can swear they have never made a stupid comment or even thought it.

There's a difference between making, or thinking, "a stupid comment", and singling out someone for racial abuse.

I can honestly say, I've never called anyone "a fucking black c***". I think the vast majority of fans won't have done so either. Pretty much all of us would lose our job if we did.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on June 22, 2017, 12:42:46 PM
We need to change our name to Southampton as we have a hell of a lot of saints for supporters. How many on here calling him all the name's under the sun can say with hand on heart they have never make a comment about the colour of somebodies skin colour or race whether in jest or not.

'People objecting to Ched Evans? We should change our name to Bill Oddie as we have a lot of Goodies on hear. Who here hand on heart can say they've never forced themselves on a woman without consent, whether in jest or not.'
Wasn't he cleared ?

Alright, whatever, replace him with Jimmy Saville or Tarquinius Superbus or whoever on earth you want. Point stands, no?
Well no the point doesn't stand. You were trying to be clever by bringing sexual predators into it and referring to someone who you thought had been convicted of rape when on appeal they were cleared.
I don't want us to sign Terry but that is purely down to football reasons, but my point was all the righteous on here are bringing up the race card, how many hands on heart can swear they have never made a stupid comment or even thought it.

You weren't talking about stupid comments though, you were talking about racist ones. If "not racist" means righteous, then I'm a total righteous bastard. I've made loads of stupid comments. Never any racially abusive ones. It would appear you have.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: KevinGage on June 22, 2017, 12:50:20 PM
Come on, we've all donned KKK hoods at Halloween and terrorised the local community.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 22, 2017, 12:52:18 PM
I'm not going through this again. It was a scary ghost costume, honest!
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on June 22, 2017, 12:53:08 PM
For me, it is shameful if he is ever allowed to put on the Villa shirt.

I wouldn't boo him if he was here, but no way in any circumstances would I ever ever cheer or applaud him either.

Like all of us here I am Villa and always will be (51 years since my Dad took me to my first game).
I'm proud to be a Villa fan, I will always be proud to be a Villa fan. That is not to say that over those 51 years there haven't been times that pride gets a little knocked either with results or actions of the club, players or fans. However this would not be a little knock to my pride, it would be one almighty kick in the guts to it.

If the club I love sign John Terry I will consider it just about the most classless thing we have done since I started supporting the Villa and I will look forward to the day he is gone.   
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Mister E on June 22, 2017, 12:54:37 PM
Reports now saying he will give it two weeks before finalising any agreement with us, since there may be better / Prem offers to be considered.
We're a stalking horse ...
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: McGraths Dry Cleaning on June 22, 2017, 12:55:45 PM
If we do sign Terry is this a sign of weakness from Bruce? Trying to sign a "mate" to be a positive influence on the dressing room and a bone for the press to chew over instead of our progress? I only went to a few games last season but the team never struck me as being that "all together". I never see anyone on the pitch talking and organising people that much. Maybe that is why he thinks he is signing Terry along with some experience to stop the caving in when things go against us.

I think its a big gamble in a long line of gambles. Like many of them it could pay off well. Puts pressure on Bruce as well - don't think there will be much patience with him this season without some discernible improvement in the team.


Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Drummond on June 22, 2017, 01:01:20 PM
14 appearances last season for the Premier League Champions. Including 4 against opposition from lower leagues.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: The Charmer on June 22, 2017, 01:06:24 PM
Absolute No from me for all the reasons already stated.

The list is obviously pretty lengthy because, having read through them, we don't appear to have touched on leaving your flash motor in the Disabled Parking Bay.

Fucking Legend!
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: The Edge on June 22, 2017, 01:10:21 PM
Its going to happen isn't it? It just feels like a marquee signing that will cause more trouble than good.

Sign him up - I think Terry's All Gold.
Boom Boom
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: boozey182 on June 22, 2017, 01:12:10 PM
Absolute No from me for all the reasons already stated.

The list is obviously pretty lengthy because, having read through them, we don't appear to have touched on leaving your flash motor in the Disabled Parking Bay.

Fucking Legend!

To be fair, we're only on the twelfth page of why he's an unbearable dickhead.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cannock villa on June 22, 2017, 01:15:10 PM
We need to change our name to Southampton as we have a hell of a lot of saints for supporters. How many on here calling him all the name's under the sun can say with hand on heart they have never make a comment about the colour of somebodies skin colour or race whether in jest or not.

'People objecting to Ched Evans? We should change our name to Bill Oddie as we have a lot of Goodies on hear. Who here hand on heart can say they've never forced themselves on a woman without consent, whether in jest or not.'
Wasn't he cleared ?

Alright, whatever, replace him with Jimmy Saville or Tarquinius Superbus or whoever on earth you want. Point stands, no?
Well no the point doesn't stand. You were trying to be clever by bringing sexual predators into it and referring to someone who you thought had been convicted of rape when on appeal they were cleared.
I don't want us to sign Terry but that is purely down to football reasons, but my point was all the righteous on here are bringing up the race card, how many hands on heart can swear they have never made a stupid comment or even thought it.

You weren't talking about stupid comments though, you were talking about racist ones. If "not racist" means righteous, then I'm a total righteous bastard. I've made loads of stupid comments. Never any racially abusive ones. It would appear you have.
Why would you think that I would have appeared to make a racially abusive comment.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Monty on June 22, 2017, 01:20:36 PM
Well, 'How many on here calling him all the name's under the sun can say with hand on heart they have never make a comment about the colour of somebodies skin colour or race' seems to be a clue.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 22, 2017, 01:22:30 PM
Indeed, speaking personally I imagine you would only make a comment of that nature if you were at some level prejudice.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on June 22, 2017, 01:22:58 PM
We need to change our name to Southampton as we have a hell of a lot of saints for supporters. How many on here calling him all the name's under the sun can say with hand on heart they have never make a comment about the colour of somebodies skin colour or race whether in jest or not.

'People objecting to Ched Evans? We should change our name to Bill Oddie as we have a lot of Goodies on hear. Who here hand on heart can say they've never forced themselves on a woman without consent, whether in jest or not.'
Wasn't he cleared ?

Alright, whatever, replace him with Jimmy Saville or Tarquinius Superbus or whoever on earth you want. Point stands, no?
Well no the point doesn't stand. You were trying to be clever by bringing sexual predators into it and referring to someone who you thought had been convicted of rape when on appeal they were cleared.
I don't want us to sign Terry but that is purely down to football reasons, but my point was all the righteous on here are bringing up the race card, how many hands on heart can swear they have never made a stupid comment or even thought it.

You weren't talking about stupid comments though, you were talking about racist ones. If "not racist" means righteous, then I'm a total righteous bastard. I've made loads of stupid comments. Never any racially abusive ones. It would appear you have.
Why would you think that I would have appeared to make a racially abusive comment.

Why else would you be taking the "come on, we're all a little bit racist sometimes" line?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on June 22, 2017, 01:23:06 PM
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Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: tomd2103 on June 22, 2017, 01:28:10 PM
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A slightly less obscene take from Kevin Bridges:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t94-t3qYj9k (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t94-t3qYj9k)
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cannock villa on June 22, 2017, 01:28:46 PM
Well, 'How many on here calling him all the name's under the sun can say with hand on heart they have never make a comment about the colour of somebodies skin colour or race' seems to be a clue.
So you have never told an English man, Irish man and Scots man joke or as a kid held the corner of your eyes up and  spoke in an Chinese accent ?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 22, 2017, 01:31:12 PM
I hear you're a racist now, Father?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Monty on June 22, 2017, 01:31:56 PM
Well, 'How many on here calling him all the name's under the sun can say with hand on heart they have never make a comment about the colour of somebodies skin colour or race' seems to be a clue.
So you have never told an English man, Irish man and Scots man joke or as a kid held the corner of your eyes up and  spoke in an Chinese accent ?

Your first example isn't the same, your second example is weird, and you're missing the point - John Terry shouted racial abuse *at* a player. That's a bit different to a bad taste joke in private, don't you think?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: German James on June 22, 2017, 01:32:28 PM
Its going to happen isn't it? It just feels like a marquee signing that will cause more trouble than good.

Sign him up - I think Terry's All Gold.
Perhaps it was a slip of the tongue and he meant to call Anton Ferdinand "Black Magic".
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: auntiesledd on June 22, 2017, 01:33:09 PM
I can't stand him either, but I think he'd certainly improve our chances of a return to the cash cow aka The Premier League. If Bruce decides he wants Terry, there's sod-all I can do or say to change his mind.

I'm not sure that's true, there's plenty we can do. If watching that shit play for Villa would lessen your enjoyment, then tell the club. The majority of people on here don't want him, so we need to make our voices heard.

Tweet Xia and Wyness:
https://twitter.com/Dr_TonyXia?s=09
https://twitter.com/retsub12?s=09

Phone the ticket office and ask about their season ticket refund policy. Email any contact at the club that you can find an email address for. We don't have to stand by and let this happen. If the club make a mistake, it's our job to let them know. We're Aston Villa and we're far too good for John Terry. No matter what division we're in.

I have taken it upon myself to send emails & tweets to Dr Tony, KW & the club. It's made me feel better - having given my own opinion on Terry - but I honestly don't think it'll make a blind bit of difference now. I can only hope my pessimism proves to be completely unfounded.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cannock villa on June 22, 2017, 01:36:32 PM
Well, 'How many on here calling him all the name's under the sun can say with hand on heart they have never make a comment about the colour of somebodies skin colour or race' seems to be a clue.
So you have never told an English man, Irish man and Scots man joke or as a kid held the corner of your eyes up and  spoke in an Chinese accent ?

Your first example isn't the same, your second example is weird, and you're missing the point - John Terry shouted racial abuse *at* a player. That's a bit different to a bad taste joke in private, don't you think?
Different yes but they are still examples of racial undertones which most people have been guilty of. And you didn't answer the question of whether you have said any of these in the past.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Ads on June 22, 2017, 01:37:36 PM
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Two odious c***s don't make a right.

And returning your season ticket, oh get a grip.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 22, 2017, 01:37:40 PM
Could someone list relevant email addresses for those of us not on Twitter?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Monty on June 22, 2017, 01:37:49 PM
To be honest I don't remember if I did anything like that as a kid, but I hope I didn't have that unbelievably lame a sense of humour.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 22, 2017, 01:38:36 PM
Well, 'How many on here calling him all the name's under the sun can say with hand on heart they have never make a comment about the colour of somebodies skin colour or race' seems to be a clue.
So you have never told an English man, Irish man and Scots man joke or as a kid held the corner of your eyes up and  spoke in an Chinese accent ?

Your first example isn't the same, your second example is weird, and you're missing the point - John Terry shouted racial abuse *at* a player. That's a bit different to a bad taste joke in private, don't you think?
Different yes but they are still examples of racial undertones which most people have been guilty of. And you didn't answer the question of whether you have said any of these in the past.

Simple question, is it acceptable to call a black person a "fucking black c***"?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Can Gana Be Bettered!?!? on June 22, 2017, 01:41:04 PM
This would really put me off going to Villa Park next season.

Do we not have any kind of principles or ethics?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cannock villa on June 22, 2017, 01:45:45 PM
Well, 'How many on here calling him all the name's under the sun can say with hand on heart they have never make a comment about the colour of somebodies skin colour or race' seems to be a clue.
So you have never told an English man, Irish man and Scots man joke or as a kid held the corner of your eyes up and  spoke in an Chinese accent ?

Your first example isn't the same, your second example is weird, and you're missing the point - John Terry shouted racial abuse *at* a player. That's a bit different to a bad taste joke in private, don't you think?
Different yes but they are still examples of racial undertones which most people have been guilty of. And you didn't answer the question of whether you have said any of these in the past.

Simple question, is it acceptable to call a black person a "fucking black c***"?
No its not and I never have. Unlike Monty, have you the balls to any my question ?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: German James on June 22, 2017, 01:48:02 PM
I'm wouldn't dream of defending Terry. He's an odious, racist piece of shit, but it strikes me you can't pick and choose: Ron Atkinson called Desailly worse in my opinion and yet there are still regular threads dedicated to him on here.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: KevinGage on June 22, 2017, 01:48:48 PM
You daft racist.  Monty has answered it.  Keep digging though.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 22, 2017, 01:50:26 PM
I've probably made jokes about Englishmen, Scotsmen and Irishmen and may have done the not very hilarious "slanty eyes" impression as a child, when I didn't know better. I haven't as an adult.

Not sure of the relevance though.

As an adult, had John Terry done the things you mentioned it would still be fairly pathetic, but not as bad as what he did.

What he did was call a black fellow professional "a fucking black c***".

So you either think that's acceptable, or you don't. If it's the latter, surely you wouldn't want us associated with someone who behaved in such a manner?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cannock villa on June 22, 2017, 01:51:17 PM
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So to clarify, calling someone a black c***s is bad, saying if you had AIDs you would wank into somebodys mouth in a burns ward is good.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 22, 2017, 01:53:05 PM
Fucking Hell.

Congratulations on winning Whataboutery of the Year Award.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cannock villa on June 22, 2017, 01:53:54 PM
You daft racist.  Monty has answered it.  Keep digging though.
You answer the question then my friend
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: KevinGage on June 22, 2017, 01:57:13 PM
I'm wouldn't dream of defending Terry. He's an odious, racist piece of shit, but it strikes me you can't pick and choose: Ron Atkinson called Desailly worse in my opinion and yet there are still regular threads dedicated to him on here.

There's a bit of a difference though, aside from the age gap. 

Ron lost his lucrative TV job and couldn't realistically be considered for any high profile job at a football club again after his foot in mouth incident.  We can look back at his time managing us with great affection, the idiocy of what he did in 2004 doesn't lesson those achievements.

He still couldn't be considered for a serious role at our club or any similar one, the shitstorm would just be too much.

Terry's employment continued for Chelsea (well he's no different to a fair portion of their fans, so why sack him?) and now we are looking to throw more money his way even after his very public phuck up.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: boozey182 on June 22, 2017, 01:58:52 PM
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Two odious c***s don't make a right.

And returning your season ticket, oh get a grip.

I fully appreciate and understand the position of holding your nose and getting behind him and the team. I just feel like it would cross a line to a place that I cannot support. You have said yourself that he's an odious c**t, even if you don't feel the same, surely you can understand why people wouldn't want to watch him play and support a club that employs him?

To support and contribute to the wages of that man would make me an almighty hypocrite, and I'm not willing to do that. Even for Villa.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Ads on June 22, 2017, 02:00:33 PM
See you in August.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on June 22, 2017, 02:00:57 PM
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So to clarify, calling someone a black c***s is bad, saying if you had AIDs you would wank into somebodys mouth in a burns ward is good.

It's not about being good, it's about being racially abusive, which this isn't. You're really struggling with this, aren't you? Something you want to tell us? You seem keen to hear tales of racism from others, why not share yours? Or don't you have the balls?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: German James on June 22, 2017, 02:03:38 PM
See you in August.
I thought it was "see you next Tuesday"?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: MoetVillan on June 22, 2017, 02:07:07 PM
Im finding it a tough one.  In all my time following my club, I cant recall us signing a player that I really didn't like them.  I can think of many that I was nervous about signing due to their apparent (lack of) skill level in my eyes.  Marlon Harewood etc.  JT is the other way, he is a great player.  Lots of comments about his age and legs, Terry has never been blessed with pace, so its down to how he reads the game, which he has done very well.  And in the Chumpionship he wont be against so many extreme pace strikers.  He also knows how to score from corners.  I remember we used to do that, about 15 years ago.

Its just him I cant abide, and I just couldn't ever see myself clapping him on to the pitch, or being pleased he scored.  I just cant think of another Villa player I would put in this bucket.


Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Mossie Hennebry on June 22, 2017, 02:08:49 PM
He is a divisive character at a time when we need leaders.

I would file this decision in the same shit bucket that Tony's Tweets come from.

A fucking joke of a football club.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on June 22, 2017, 02:12:42 PM
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HEROES

& villain
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Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: KevinGage on June 22, 2017, 02:14:56 PM
You daft racist.  Monty has answered it.  Keep digging though.
You answer the question then my friend

I'm not in the habit of abusing ethnic minorities, either in public or hurling racist abuse at the TV in the privacy of my own home.  Or having imaginary arguments with them, for that matter.  So maybe I'm the odd one in this situation, I accept that.

If I was a mad racist, I'd hope I still had just enough cop on to not demonstrate my ignorance to the world by dishing out racist insults during a live football match I was playing in, with a potential TV audience across the globe.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Ads on June 22, 2017, 02:15:37 PM
Show us the picture where they are saluting or running past "Darkie" our mascot.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: boozey182 on June 22, 2017, 02:16:24 PM
See you in August.

Ah! You got me. I'll be the one in the 'F*****g Black C**t" t-shirt carrying a crudely made papier-mache depiction of a plane going in to the World Trade Cente. Damn my online moral persona which is impossible to uphold in real life!
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 22, 2017, 02:18:47 PM
Show us the picture where they are saluting or running past "Darkie" our mascot.

Jesus. You've gone full Small Heath. What the fuck?

In any case, you've got completely the wrong era.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Ads on June 22, 2017, 02:19:29 PM
Yep damn your empty words. Do you follow us away? I reckon you'll moan more that the fuckers have put Sunderland away on a Tuesday night than England's Brave John Terry.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Pat McMahon on June 22, 2017, 02:24:10 PM
Was Terry found guilty of the racist comments? I truly can't recall the result of the investigation as i was living in China and a lot of the detail passed me by. Did he get a ban or a fine? I do recall him losing the England captaincy and Capello throwing a wobbler

Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 22, 2017, 02:24:40 PM
I go away occasionally. Are you trying to steal the Cannock poster's Whataboutery Title?

Trying to undermine Villa players who refused to give the Nazi salute is the reason why I would never buy the Sunday Mercury. Having a go at that is the lowest of the low among Small Heath fans, let alone Villa supporters.

I really can't see why you are struggling with the idea that some of us don't want to sign a racist?

Oh, and, you've gone full Small Heath. "Get a grip".
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Ads on June 22, 2017, 02:25:23 PM
Show us the picture where they are saluting or running past "Darkie" our mascot.

Jesus. You've gone full Small Heath. What the fuck?

In any case, you've got completely the wrong era.

Full Rags Mahone actually. I'm not going to be embarrassed that we had a load of racists following us or playing for us in the 50s, which is more the point what particular decade the image was snapped.

We've had some lamentable characters play for us. Collymore isn't the only one to have beat up his partner, although the other is far more popular amongst those who watched us in the 70s.

Terry is a wanker. I don't care, I'll never meet him, never work with him and if he plays at Burton away, that's as close a proximity as I will have to him. If he gets us up, grand. I'll be happier for it.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 22, 2017, 02:26:19 PM
Was Terry found guilty of the racist comments? I truly can't recall the result of the investigation as i was living in China and a lot of the detail passed me by. Did he get a ban or a fine? I do recall him losing the England captaincy and Capello throwing a wobbler

He was found guilty by the FA and banned for four games.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Ads on June 22, 2017, 02:27:35 PM
I wasn't addressing you. I'm not sure what you mean by Whataboutary. You old un's and your internet spyk and memes.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: boozey182 on June 22, 2017, 02:30:34 PM
Yep damn your empty words. Do you follow us away? I reckon you'll moan more that the fuckers have put Sunderland away on a Tuesday night than England's Brave John Terry.

I reckon you're wrong, but I don't think we're going to reach a meaningful conclusion here and we already seem to be heading down a childish route, which is probably my fault, so I apologise.

For the record, I sincerely hope we don't sign him, but can understand people that do. I don't expect anyone to refuse to because of him, it's just my choice. Good luck to anyone that gets fully behind the team despite of their feelings for him, I genuinely admire that level of loyalty.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on June 22, 2017, 02:31:28 PM
Was Terry found guilty of the racist comments? I truly can't recall the result of the investigation as i was living in China and a lot of the detail passed me by. Did he get a ban or a fine? I do recall him losing the England captaincy and Capello throwing a wobbler



1/4 of a million quid fine and a 4 match ban. I mean a week's wages and a 4 game ban...
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: tomd2103 on June 22, 2017, 02:33:01 PM
He is a divisive character at a time when we need leaders.

I would file this decision in the same shit bucket that Tony's Tweets come from.

A fucking joke of a football club.

Nose or Stripey?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Ads on June 22, 2017, 02:33:19 PM
Although they concluded he wasn't racist as well.

The man is a bell end, but a bell end has a use (If you like crude metaphors).
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cannock villa on June 22, 2017, 02:35:34 PM
You daft racist.  Monty has answered it.  Keep digging though.
You answer the question then my friend

I'm not in the habit of abusing ethnic minorities, either in public or hurling racist abuse at the TV in the privacy of my own home.  Or having imaginary arguments with them, for that matter.  So maybe I'm the odd one in this situation, I accept that.

If I was a mad racist, I'd hope I still had just enough cop on to not demonstrate my ignorance to the world by dishing out racist insults during a live football match I was playing in, with a potential TV audience across the globe.
Not racist just narrow minded calling people you have never met daft racists
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Pat McMahon on June 22, 2017, 02:37:11 PM
Was Terry found guilty of the racist comments? I truly can't recall the result of the investigation as i was living in China and a lot of the detail passed me by. Did he get a ban or a fine? I do recall him losing the England captaincy and Capello throwing a wobbler

He was found guilty by the FA and banned for four games.

Cheers CD. Just managed to google this after your reply (cant believe it was 6 years ago) and saw he was acquiited in court - i didnt even remember it had gone to court.

My only recollection of the case was his claim that the words he used were " i did not call you a xxxxxxx".
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on June 22, 2017, 02:48:26 PM
Show us the picture where they are saluting or running past "Darkie" our mascot.

I think both have to be put into historic context.

The darkie mascot picture was from the 1950s and at worst was being misguided in the same way as Golliwogs and the Black & White Minstrels. Should players have objected to it being racist ? Maybe, but I doubt it would have even occurred to them in the climate of 1950s Britain.

The historic context of the 1938 picture is players refusing to salute a racist tyrant in front of 110,000 of his own countrymen. At that time Germany had already entered Austria with dire consequences for the jewish population there as well as at home, they had explictly stated they intended to destroy Czechoslovakia by miltary force and were about to expel thousands of Polish born jews from Germany.

If you are going to take one stand, do you want it against a white bloke dressed up as a black man outside the players tunnel or a dictator who was ultimately responsible for the death of 6million jews ?

Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Mossie Hennebry on June 22, 2017, 02:55:46 PM
He is a divisive character at a time when we need leaders.

I would file this decision in the same shit bucket that Tony's Tweets come from.

A fucking joke of a football club.

Nose or Stripey?

Neither.

Everytime the chairman tweets his hieroglyphics, my heart sinks a little bit. This decision to offer a has-been a load of cash is having the same effect. We are stumbling from one baffling decision to the next and have been for years. For me, we don't appear to be behaving like a well-run football club, more of a joke.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Ads on June 22, 2017, 02:56:38 PM
Context is key, I wouldn't disagree.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 22, 2017, 03:00:38 PM
The context here is that we don't live in a World where "Darky", or the Black and White Minstrel Show are acceptable.

We are a million miles away from a World where calling a fellow professional a "fucking black c***" is okay.

Terry knew exactly what he was doing, and doesn't have the excuse of youth, or that what he was doing was "of its time".

He sets a bad example and may alienate fans in our great, multicultural city. We shouldn't be touching him with a fucking bargepole.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cannock villa on June 22, 2017, 03:01:19 PM
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So to clarify, calling someone a black c***s is bad, saying if you had AIDs you would wank into somebodys mouth in a burns ward is good.

It's not about being good, it's about being racially abusive, which this isn't. You're really struggling with this, aren't you? Something you want to tell us? You seem keen to hear tales of racism from others, why not share yours? Or don't you have the balls?
Of course the quote isn't racially abusive, just morally abusive. What is it that i'm struggling with, calling out people who on one hand are outraged that we might be signing a perceived racist (even through he was found not guilty in a court of law) then have at some point in their lives have made comments or jokes against other races or colours.
I'm afraid to say I haven't got any tales of racism to enthral you with. I've worked with many nationalities and colours down the pit, again many others at Rover and Land Rover and never had any issues.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: KevinGage on June 22, 2017, 03:01:43 PM
I already have minimal enthusiasm for this signing (as you might have guessed).

But if it's true that the sugarbag intends to wait for two weeks to see if he gets any offers from top flight clubs we really should nip this one in the bud now.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: itbrvilla on June 22, 2017, 03:08:20 PM
He is a divisive character at a time when we need leaders.

I would file this decision in the same shit bucket that Tony's Tweets come from.

A fucking joke of a football club.

Nose or Stripey?
He's not wrong.  We never fucking learn and this repeated process has destroyed us as a remotely competitive football club.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: tomd2103 on June 22, 2017, 03:10:40 PM
He is a divisive character at a time when we need leaders.

I would file this decision in the same shit bucket that Tony's Tweets come from.

A fucking joke of a football club.

Nose or Stripey?
He's not wrong.  We never fucking learn and this repeated process has destroyed us as a remotely competitive football club.

Terry hasn't signed yet.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Mossie Hennebry on June 22, 2017, 03:15:37 PM
He is a divisive character at a time when we need leaders.

I would file this decision in the same shit bucket that Tony's Tweets come from.

A fucking joke of a football club.

Nose or Stripey?
He's not wrong.  We never fucking learn and this repeated process has destroyed us as a remotely competitive football club.

Terry hasn't signed yet.

He's been offered a contract, therefore it is clear that the behaviour of the club hasn't changed.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on June 22, 2017, 03:17:56 PM
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So to clarify, calling someone a black c***s is bad, saying if you had AIDs you would wank into somebodys mouth in a burns ward is good.

It's not about being good, it's about being racially abusive, which this isn't. You're really struggling with this, aren't you? Something you want to tell us? You seem keen to hear tales of racism from others, why not share yours? Or don't you have the balls?
Of course the quote isn't racially abusive, just morally abusive. What is it that i'm struggling with, calling out people who on one hand are outraged that we might be signing a perceived racist (even through he was found not guilty in a court of law) then have at some point in their lives have made comments or jokes against other races or colours.
I'm afraid to say I haven't got any tales of racism to enthral you with. I've worked with many nationalities and colours down the pit, again many others at Rover and Land Rover and never had any issues.

Drivel.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cannock villa on June 22, 2017, 03:26:44 PM
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So to clarify, calling someone a black c***s is bad, saying if you had AIDs you would wank into somebodys mouth in a burns ward is good.

It's not about being good, it's about being racially abusive, which this isn't. You're really struggling with this, aren't you? Something you want to tell us? You seem keen to hear tales of racism from others, why not share yours? Or don't you have the balls?
Of course the quote isn't racially abusive, just morally abusive. What is it that i'm struggling with, calling out people who on one hand are outraged that we might be signing a perceived racist (even through he was found not guilty in a court of law) then have at some point in their lives have made comments or jokes against other races or colours.
I'm afraid to say I haven't got any tales of racism to enthral you with. I've worked with many nationalities and colours down the pit, again many others at Rover and Land Rover and never had any issues.

Drivel.
Then you carry on being outraged Oh High and Mightly.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on June 22, 2017, 03:29:48 PM
I think you mean "mighty".
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 22, 2017, 03:30:04 PM
And you carry on defending him if you want to, it's the whole point of debating on a forum, but without snide comments like that if you want to carry on doing it here.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Ads on June 22, 2017, 03:30:29 PM
It cannot be argued that what Terry said was abhorrent. Ferdinand should have chinned him. I think this argument is getting daft.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: MoetVillan on June 22, 2017, 03:38:06 PM
Chinned him? Nice progressive way to move forward.  Perfect example for kids too
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Tuscans on June 22, 2017, 03:39:36 PM
I don't care, I have debts!
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: saunders_heroes on June 22, 2017, 03:41:44 PM
It cannot be argued that what Terry said was abhorrent. Ferdinand should have chinned him. I think this argument is getting daft.

Ferdinand is a twat as well.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: tomd2103 on June 22, 2017, 03:42:23 PM
He is a divisive character at a time when we need leaders.

I would file this decision in the same shit bucket that Tony's Tweets come from.

A fucking joke of a football club.

Nose or Stripey?
He's not wrong.  We never fucking learn and this repeated process has destroyed us as a remotely competitive football club.

Terry hasn't signed yet.

He's been offered a contract, therefore it is clear that the behaviour of the club hasn't changed.

True, but if he doesn't sign then it's a non-issue surely?  As for a 'repeated process', I'd have to disagree on that as well, as it doesn't seem that we have had any kind of process over the last few years, let alone one that has been repeated.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 22, 2017, 03:53:09 PM
Just had a look and he played 90 minutes 5 times last season in the league, once after September. Plus 90 mins twice in the FAC and once in the LC. That's why I don't buy into him automatically massively improving us, or being the best defender in the division etc, and certainly not now he's another year older. What's it based on, the Terry of x years ago? I'm assuming it isn't based on the Terry of last season?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Dave on June 22, 2017, 03:53:27 PM
It cannot be argued that what Terry said was abhorrent. Ferdinand should have chinned him. I think this argument is getting daft.

Ferdinand is a twat as well.

Quite possibly, but I'm not sure what he's done wrong in the case of the Terry accusations.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: tomd2103 on June 22, 2017, 03:55:40 PM
Chinned him? Nice progressive way to move forward.  Perfect example for kids too

Unfortunately came across a couple of similar incidents when I used to play, though thankfully never from lads on my own team.  On each occasion, the person who came out with it played on team alongside black players, which is something I really couldn't understand.  One occasion involved a black player abusing a mixed race lad, calling him a "diluted n****r" which was a bit bizarre.   

 
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Chris Jameson on June 22, 2017, 04:03:52 PM
I hope this is fake news. #Sad
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 22, 2017, 04:08:23 PM
Who knew that a black man would be found as an example of someone acting in a racist way?!
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 22, 2017, 04:08:47 PM
Just had a look and he played 90 minutes 5 times last season in the league, once after September. Plus 90 mins twice in the FAC and once in the LC. That's why I don't buy into him automatically massively improving us, or being the best defender in the division etc, and certainly not now he's another year older. What's it based on, the Terry of x years ago? I'm assuming it isn't based on the Terry of last season?

It seems to be based on exactly the same logic that saw us buy Schmeichel, Richards and Lescott, except that they had been playing more regularly than him prior to signing for us.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Damo70 on June 22, 2017, 04:23:13 PM
Dave Mackey was 33 and had broken his leg twice at Spurs before he captained Brian Clough's Derby to promotion to the top flight.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Nev on June 22, 2017, 04:25:58 PM
Dave Mackey was 33 and had broken his leg twice at Spurs before he captained Brian Clough's Derby to promotion to the top flight.

I think the Brian Clough bit is the most important here.

Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 22, 2017, 04:29:57 PM
I think that it being nearly 50 years ago is the most important bit.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Bren'd on June 22, 2017, 04:30:21 PM
Just had a look and he played 90 minutes 5 times last season in the league, once after September. Plus 90 mins twice in the FAC and once in the LC. That's why I don't buy into him automatically massively improving us, or being the best defender in the division etc, and certainly not now he's another year older. What's it based on, the Terry of x years ago? I'm assuming it isn't based on the Terry of last season?

It seems to be based on exactly the same logic that saw us buy Schmeichel, Richards and Lescott, except that they had been playing more regularly than him prior to signing for us.

But it doesn't if you account for the fact that Bruce was a top defender in his day and like Terry with little pace.  I'm sure he knows Terry better than any of the rest of us and will know what he can still do for another season if he manages to stay injury free. The same sort of knowledge can't be attributed to Richards and the Lescott signings.  The Schmichael one wasn't that bad anyway.

I look at it this way putting all the non football stuff to one side...

To play alongside Chester, would you prefer Baker who is a sort of improving player at this level who has awful distribution, frequently is caught out of position and is injury prone, or Terry, although not at his peak is a much better distributor and overall footballer certainly good enough for this league and brings a wealth of organisation/leadership attributes something we have lacked for years, but, is also injury prone?   
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: eamonn on June 22, 2017, 04:34:00 PM
Just had a look and he played 90 minutes 5 times last season in the league, once after September. Plus 90 mins twice in the FAC and once in the LC. That's why I don't buy into him automatically massively improving us, or being the best defender in the division etc, and certainly not now he's another year older. What's it based on, the Terry of x years ago? I'm assuming it isn't based on the Terry of last season?

It seems to be based on exactly the same logic that saw us buy Schmeichel, Richards and Lescott, except that they had been playing more regularly than him prior to signing for us.

The difference being Terry had the two best centre backs in the country keeping him out of the team. And now he'd be coming to a level lower against forwards some of whom might do him for pace but very few for nous. I imagine we'd get a few more decisions going our way too, the refs would fawn over him a bit more than ''Mad Tom''. 

I don't like the bloke but if he is fit to play 30+ games next season I think he could make a real difference in galvanizing a bunch of team-mate who often look like they are playing within themselves. Short-term gritted teeth, longer-term satisfaction.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Damo70 on June 22, 2017, 04:35:43 PM
I think that it being nearly 50 years ago is the most important bit.


I'm a great believer in the first couple of yards is in your head/ down to your footballing brain. I would never say Paul McGrath was the fastest defender I have ever seen but he was bloody good at snuffing out danger.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 22, 2017, 04:40:14 PM
Again, what is him being "certainly good enough" based on? I'm not picking on you specifically Bren, but a number of other posters have said similar and say it as though it's fact. Strikes me it's based on the Terry of a few years ago rather than the Terry we'd be getting.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Damo70 on June 22, 2017, 04:41:08 PM
On the subject of Paul McGrath, he was 'finished' at the age of 29 apparently. I think one or two Villa fans who watched him play home and away for several years after that may disagree with that slightly. Possibly a few Irish people would also disagree.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on June 22, 2017, 04:43:17 PM
Being a full kit wanker is the least of his poor qualities and misdemeanours in my view. I might be an old cynic but I don't accept that 'not guilty' means 'didn't do it' in every instance - starting with the assault charge with Jody Morris.

And if there are people who think we should hold our noses and accept the baggage for what he brings to the team ... then I am even more at odds with your opinion (which you are perfectly entitled to).

As a player to improve us and be available regularly, I think he is a very big gamble for a lot of money. We've tried and failed with that approach before.

If rumours are accurate, our competition for Terry is Small Heath or the Tesco Carriers - and that says a lot. Either of them are welcome to add to his pension.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 22, 2017, 04:43:39 PM
I think that it being nearly 50 years ago is the most important bit.

I'm a great believer in the first couple of yards is in your head/ down to your footballing brain. I would never say Paul McGrath was the fastest defender I have ever seen but he was bloody good at snuffing out danger.

And at 37 McGrath was all but finished considering he retired when he was 37. Dave Mackay also retired at 37.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 22, 2017, 04:48:54 PM
I already have minimal enthusiasm for this signing (as you might have guessed).

But if it's true that the sugarbag intends to wait for two weeks to see if he gets any offers from top flight clubs we really should nip this one in the bud now.

He's a free agent. Why shouldn't he wait to see all the offers?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: KevinGage on June 22, 2017, 04:49:26 PM
Indeed. 

Nigel Spink was roughly that age when he went to the Olbiyun at the tail end of his career. 

Even the stripeyfilth weren't daft/smalltime enough to herald it as some breakthrough signing, prising a league and European Cup winner off the Villa.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Damo70 on June 22, 2017, 04:50:02 PM
Personally I think it is 'worth a punt' for a year. It is great how the likes of Lambert, Sherwood and Wilkins are so vocal and have so many opinions about our club. Maybe if any of them had had so many great ideas when they were at the club we would still be a top flight club.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: KevinGage on June 22, 2017, 04:59:26 PM
I already have minimal enthusiasm for this signing (as you might have guessed).

But if it's true that the sugarbag intends to wait for two weeks to see if he gets any offers from top flight clubs we really should nip this one in the bud now.

He's a free agent. Why shouldn't he wait to see all the offers?

Because it smacks of "suppose I'll kill some time at Villa if nothing better comes along."

Which is a bit different to having loads of offers but seemingly being fired up at the challenging prospect of getting us back to the topflight. 

Other clubs will have known his situation for a while so if he is just using our interest as leverage, I'd hope the powers that be might be cute enough to know that and back out.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: brian green on June 22, 2017, 05:11:34 PM
My son who has seen this coming from a long way off believes we are only a stalking horse.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on June 22, 2017, 05:14:39 PM
Personally I think it is 'worth a punt' for a year. It is great how the likes of Lambert, Sherwood and Wilkins are so vocal and have so many opinions about our club. Maybe if any of them had had so many great ideas when they were at the club we would still be a top flight club.

That's one view. Personally I think the damage to our reputation, the prospect of him actually making a sufficient contribution as a player (and around the club) and the availability of other options mean it is big 'no thanks'.

Too much that could go wrong for not enough certainty that it might work - so not a 'punt' I want us to make. Not least because it will take a big chunk of the available funds to strength the squad. It will also be Bruce's solution to a much-needed CB recruit. So if Terry doesn't work as a gamble then we are left with the injury-prone Baker and the hapless Elphick.

Plus, with Terry in the side it might cost us the quiet and calm assurance of Chester ... in fact the more I think about this idea, the less I like it and I hated it to begin with.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Dave on June 22, 2017, 05:15:57 PM
On the subject of Paul McGrath, he was 'finished' at the age of 29 apparently. I think one or two Villa fans who watched him play home and away for several years after that may disagree with that slightly. Possibly a few Irish people would also disagree.

If we were signing a 29 year old John Terry then I imagine there would be fewer complaints.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: wittonwarrior on June 22, 2017, 05:18:06 PM
One month of the John terry show would do my sweet in but a whole season

No means sure that he would be effective anyway
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Hopadop on June 22, 2017, 05:33:12 PM
The real world's all about compromises. And in the real world I'd probably want the likes of John Terry on my side rather than against me.

But the great thing about football is it doesn't matter that much, so I can very happily do without him making my world that little bit more toxic.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Ad@m on June 22, 2017, 05:42:13 PM
My son who has seen this coming from a long way off believes we are only a stalking horse.

This.

John Terry, former Chelsea and England captain, will command a ridiculous wage in either the US or China, where they won't give a shit about the fact he's an absolute scumbag, from a family of scumbags.

Why on earth would he want to play in the 2nd division on a fraction of what he was paid last year and could get anywhere else?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: KevinGage on June 22, 2017, 05:48:37 PM
He doesn't strike me as the adventurous sort.   USA?  Maybe. 

Far more likely is that his agent will say to either Bournemouth or Swansea "Villa have offered him £60k per week + add ons. He will sign for you if you make it a straight £75k."

Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: supertom on June 22, 2017, 06:02:54 PM
He wants a nice semi-retirement jobby. I don't want that to be us. And this is before even considering what an orrible bastard he is.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: andyh on June 22, 2017, 06:10:17 PM
My son who has seen this coming from a long way off believes we are only a stalking horse.

This.

John Terry, former Chelsea and England captain, will command a ridiculous wage in either the US or China, where they won't give a shit about the fact he's an absolute scumbag, from a family of scumbags.

Why on earth would he want to play in the 2nd division on a fraction of what he was paid last year and could get anywhere else?
Precisely, precisely, precisely !!
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: tony scott on June 22, 2017, 06:21:27 PM
Forget all the baggage he brings, will he play enough and be good enough for Us at sixty grand a week I don't think so, I thought the overall management of the club was improving. Imo this would be a huge setback.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: frank black on June 22, 2017, 06:39:38 PM
He's 37, been scaling back appearances, very expensive and a horrible person. What could possibly go wrong. 🤦‍♂️
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: KevinGage on June 22, 2017, 07:41:11 PM
With England Lionheart John Terry at the back, Downing on the wing and Tom Huddlestone in midfield we will be unstoppable.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on June 22, 2017, 07:43:32 PM
With England Lionheart John Terry at the back, Downing on the wing and Tom Huddlestone in midfield we will be unstoppable.

Dear god no.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: peter w on June 22, 2017, 08:08:30 PM
Well, 'How many on here calling him all the name's under the sun can say with hand on heart they have never make a comment about the colour of somebodies skin colour or race' seems to be a clue.
So you have never told an English man, Irish man and Scots man joke or as a kid held the corner of your eyes up and  spoke in an Chinese accent ?

Your first example isn't the same, your second example is weird, and you're missing the point - John Terry shouted racial abuse *at* a player. That's a bit different to a bad taste joke in private, don't you think?

Quite so, but what do you think of 'our racist' Big Ron?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Monty on June 22, 2017, 08:11:33 PM
Well, 'How many on here calling him all the name's under the sun can say with hand on heart they have never make a comment about the colour of somebodies skin colour or race' seems to be a clue.
So you have never told an English man, Irish man and Scots man joke or as a kid held the corner of your eyes up and  spoke in an Chinese accent ?

Your first example isn't the same, your second example is weird, and you're missing the point - John Terry shouted racial abuse *at* a player. That's a bit different to a bad taste joke in private, don't you think?

Quite so, but what do you think of 'our racist' Big Ron?

It wasn't shouting abuse, but it wasn't just a crude joke either. Really nasty. Sorry if that makes me a PC cuck triggered snowflake or whatever it is this week.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: peter w on June 22, 2017, 08:21:24 PM
I have no idea what that means. Do you have the same disregard and contempt for Atkinson as you do for Terry?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: peter w on June 22, 2017, 08:21:58 PM
As it is...I don't think he'll sign for us. He'll be off the the States.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Monty on June 22, 2017, 08:25:27 PM
I have no idea what that means. Do you have the same disregard and contempt for Atkinson as you do for Terry?

Not quite, but fairly close to be honest. I know this might be a minority opinion and I know he's from a different era etc etc, but by Christ what he said was disgusting.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 22, 2017, 08:39:31 PM
It's fairly unlikely, but I'd be pretty annoyed if we offered Big Ron some sort of job. What he did wasn't as bad as what Terry did. But it was very bad.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 22, 2017, 08:40:21 PM
As it is...I don't think he'll sign for us. He'll be off the the States.

You can get 25-1 on "Any MLS Club".
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 22, 2017, 09:08:14 PM
I have no idea what that means. Do you have the same disregard and contempt for Atkinson as you do for Terry?

Not quite, but fairly close to be honest. I know this might be a minority opinion and I know he's from a different era etc etc, but by Christ what he said was disgusting.

Agreed. And he could have won us the league and FA Cup and I'd still agree.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Lastfootstamper on June 22, 2017, 09:26:08 PM
For the life of me, I can't get my head around why he'd want to come to us. The only thing I can think of is that he wants some of what
Lampard got for scoring his billionth goal, as opposed to what he himself was on the end of on the same day.

I'd never dream of not watching the Villa because of who's stuffing the shirt, but I'd not be above spending every ninety minutes displaying a countenance of uncomfortable disbelief.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on June 22, 2017, 09:28:21 PM
For the life of me, I can't get my head around why he'd want to come to us. The only thing I can think of is that he wants some of what
Lampard got for scoring his billionth goal, as opposed to what he himself was on the end of on the same day.

I'd never dream of not watching the Villa because of who's stuffing the shirt, but I'd not be above spending every ninety minutes displaying a countenance of uncomfortable disbelief.

I would love to see that phrase on a banner :)
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: old man villa fan on June 22, 2017, 10:07:58 PM
Assuming that it is the manager's decision, Steve Bruce is p****** me off.  First bringing back GA and now JT.  Why not go for the hat-trick Steve and bring Richards back into the team.

I thought bringing back Agbonlahor for the Small Heath match turned out quite well, didn't you?

And what else did he do in the rest of the games he played.  £3m for one goal that Harry Redknapp's wife could have scored (until he ran her over).  Great example for young players at the club.

So I take it you didn't cheer that goal then, out of principle?

Of course I cheered the goal, I'm a Villa supporter.  That doesn't alter the point.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: saunders_heroes on June 22, 2017, 10:19:39 PM
Assuming that it is the manager's decision, Steve Bruce is p****** me off.  First bringing back GA and now JT.  Why not go for the hat-trick Steve and bring Richards back into the team.

I thought bringing back Agbonlahor for the Small Heath match turned out quite well, didn't you?

And what else did he do in the rest of the games he played.  £3m for one goal that Harry Redknapp's wife could have scored (until he ran her over).  Great example for young players at the club.

So I take it you didn't cheer that goal then, out of principle?

Of course I cheered the goal, I'm a Villa supporter.  That doesn't alter the point.

But you criticised the manager for bringing back Gabby yet you cheered when he scored the winning goal. It just doesn't add up.
As for Terry, personally I think people can say racist comments but it doesn't necessarily mean you're a racist. If he were such a disgusting racist then why didn't the black players at Chelsea seem to have a problem with him? It may have been a personal thing between the Ferdinands and Terry that was blown out of proportion. I've never liked Terry but he's a winner and we could do with one of those. Ron Atkinson said something horribly racist but I don't think he's a racist either and the incident didn't make me change my respect for him. I'm sure we've all said things in the heat of the moment that we later regret.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: boozey182 on June 22, 2017, 10:24:18 PM
Could someone list relevant email addresses for those of us not on Twitter?

I have found, from this site in 2014, that Lee Preece is the Supporter Liaison Officer and his e mail address is lee.preece@avfc.co.uk. I'm not sure if he's in the job still, but that could be a good place to start. The more emails that get sent, the more chance the club will listen to what they say. Hopefully...
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: andyh on June 22, 2017, 10:28:08 PM
"People can say racist comments but it doesn't necessary mean you're racist?"

What the holy fuck does that mean????

Do you just mean that casual racism is acceptable?
Or racist banter?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Ads on June 22, 2017, 10:30:24 PM
It means people say things they don't believe I would imagine.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: AV5nobs on June 22, 2017, 10:40:48 PM
It means people say things they don't believe I would imagine.

This.

I deplore rascist comments but 90% of people who make racist comments aren't actually rascist, they don't have the education to even begin to justify why they don't like a race they don't understand.

If Big Ron became involved with our club again in any shape or form there wouldn't be a murmur.

I don't like JT but if he can get us up welcome.

Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Nunkin1965 on June 22, 2017, 10:49:13 PM
Personally I'd have him in the side. In a footballing sense he'd improve us even at his age. An experienced player who might just help be the difference to us next season.

All of the other stuff? IMO if he puts a shift in and the side improves his past becomes less of an issue for supporters.

Football wise if we get the opportunity to sign him, can we really turn it down? Shouldn't we just move on and get on with it?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Dave on June 22, 2017, 11:02:31 PM
Assuming that it is the manager's decision, Steve Bruce is p****** me off.  First bringing back GA and now JT.  Why not go for the hat-trick Steve and bring Richards back into the team.

I thought bringing back Agbonlahor for the Small Heath match turned out quite well, didn't you?

And what else did he do in the rest of the games he played.  £3m for one goal that Harry Redknapp's wife could have scored (until he ran her over).  Great example for young players at the club.

So I take it you didn't cheer that goal then, out of principle?

Of course I cheered the goal, I'm a Villa supporter.  That doesn't alter the point.

But you criticised the manager for bringing back Gabby yet you cheered when he scored the winning goal. It just doesn't add up.

Just like you didn't cheer Westwood's equaliser against West Brom. Or Lowton's thirty yard volley to put us in the lead against Stoke. Or Bacuna's equaliser against Man City.

I mean, you criticised the manager for using all those players, so couldn't possibly have been happy when they did something that benefited the team.

It just doesn't add up...
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: saunders_heroes on June 22, 2017, 11:20:54 PM
Assuming that it is the manager's decision, Steve Bruce is p****** me off.  First bringing back GA and now JT.  Why not go for the hat-trick Steve and bring Richards back into the team.

I thought bringing back Agbonlahor for the Small Heath match turned out quite well, didn't you?

And what else did he do in the rest of the games he played.  £3m for one goal that Harry Redknapp's wife could have scored (until he ran her over).  Great example for young players at the club.

So I take it you didn't cheer that goal then, out of principle?

Of course I cheered the goal, I'm a Villa supporter.  That doesn't alter the point.

But you criticised the manager for bringing back Gabby yet you cheered when he scored the winning goal. It just doesn't add up.

Just like you didn't cheer Westwood's equaliser against West Brom. Or Lowton's thirty yard volley to put us in the lead against Stoke. Or Bacuna's equaliser against Man City.

I mean, you criticised the manager for using all those players, so couldn't possibly have been happy when they did something that benefited the team.

It just doesn't add up...

No, he criticised Bruce for recalling Gabby, that was after he won us the game. It doesn't just add up, it's fuckin bonkers.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 22, 2017, 11:28:36 PM
If you're going to notice the one performance where Gabby contributes something, you need to also notice the hundreds where he gives fuck all.

I agree with you on much, s_h, but I don't see how you can (rightly) criticise Lerner for being a not-giving-a-fuck arsehole but then defend the player who is the absolute poster boy of not-give-a-fuck-have-no-standards Aston Villa of the last few years.

If i had to sum up everything wrong with this club for the last five or six years in one picture, it'd be a photo of that fat c***.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: saunders_heroes on June 22, 2017, 11:34:11 PM
If you're going to notice the one performance where Gabby contributes something, you need to also notice the hundreds where he gives fuck all.

I agree with you on much, s_h, but I don't see how you can (rightly) criticise Lerner for being a not-giving-a-fuck arsehole but then defend the player who is the absolute poster boy of not-give-a-fuck-have-no-standards Aston Villa of the last few years.

If i had to sum up everything wrong with this club for the last five or six years in one picture, it'd be a photo of that fat c***.

Probably because he's scored 80+ goals for us which has been conveniently ignored by a large chunk of the support over the last few years. I admit he's fucked around way too often but Bruce said everyone was to be given a clean sheet when he arrived and I think Gabby deserves another shot. I thought he did well last season when he played but that injury he picked up set him back a bit. I'm give him another go next season too. He looks as fit as a fiddle.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: TonyD on June 22, 2017, 11:44:09 PM
If he does join then it won't be for the money as he would get more in China and US.  That would suggest his motivations are to continue play proper football. 
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: PeterWithe on June 22, 2017, 11:45:36 PM
So you have never told an English man, Irish man and Scots man joke or as a kid held the corner of your eyes up and  spoke in an Chinese accent ?

I have. I didn't get the job.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: The Edge on June 22, 2017, 11:50:57 PM
From what I have heard of him John Terry is someone who I would never associate myself with in normal everyday life. But this is football and not normal everyday life. It's  irrational. My football club is in real danger of becoming irrelevant in football if we don't haul ourselves back into the top flight. If our current manager believes John Terry can be the man to push us over the line then it's a price I'd be prepared to pay. Yes he's an arsehole but football is full of arseholes. I'd be prepared to live with it for the greater good of our beloved football club's future.
 
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 22, 2017, 11:52:10 PM
If you're going to notice the one performance where Gabby contributes something, you need to also notice the hundreds where he gives fuck all.

I agree with you on much, s_h, but I don't see how you can (rightly) criticise Lerner for being a not-giving-a-fuck arsehole but then defend the player who is the absolute poster boy of not-give-a-fuck-have-no-standards Aston Villa of the last few years.

If i had to sum up everything wrong with this club for the last five or six years in one picture, it'd be a photo of that fat c***.

Probably because he's scored 80+ goals for us which has been conveniently ignored by a large chunk of the support over the last few years. I admit he's fucked around way too often but Bruce said everyone was to be given a clean sheet when he arrived and I think Gabby deserves another shot. I thought he did well last season when he played but that injury he picked up set him back a bit. I'm give him another go next season too. He looks as fit as a fiddle.

80 goals over hoe many years?

16/17 - 1 goal
15/16 - 1 goal
14/15 - 6 goals
13/14 - 4 goals


12 goals in 4 seasons.

Yet I've seen you write off players who have demonstrated far more contribution than that.

That tally is utterly pathetic.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on June 22, 2017, 11:57:38 PM
And who can forget his 'finger to mouth' gesture after his herculean contribution during that one and only game against Norwich during the relegation season.  Don't you know he was due to go to Dubai that weekend!
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: RichardBatchelor on June 22, 2017, 11:58:37 PM
(https://m0.joe.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/19161225/LeIRmMM.png)

I don't like Terry, but this is pretty vile stuff tbh.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Damo70 on June 23, 2017, 12:00:04 AM
So you have never told an English man, Irish man and Scots man joke or as a kid held the corner of your eyes up and  spoke in an Chinese accent ?

I have. I didn't get the job.


I would never attempt to impersonate a Chinese person. Who on earth could possibly match Benny Hill's 'wonderful' Chinese impersonation from the seventies?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: paul_e on June 23, 2017, 12:04:39 AM
If you're going to notice the one performance where Gabby contributes something, you need to also notice the hundreds where he gives fuck all.

I agree with you on much, s_h, but I don't see how you can (rightly) criticise Lerner for being a not-giving-a-fuck arsehole but then defend the player who is the absolute poster boy of not-give-a-fuck-have-no-standards Aston Villa of the last few years.

If i had to sum up everything wrong with this club for the last five or six years in one picture, it'd be a photo of that fat c***.

Probably because he's scored 80+ goals for us which has been conveniently ignored by a large chunk of the support over the last few years. I admit he's fucked around way too often but Bruce said everyone was to be given a clean sheet when he arrived and I think Gabby deserves another shot. I thought he did well last season when he played but that injury he picked up set him back a bit. I'm give him another go next season too. He looks as fit as a fiddle.

80 goals over hoe many years?

16/17 - 1 goal
15/16 - 1 goal
14/15 - 6 goals
13/14 - 4 goals


12 goals in 4 seasons.

Yet I've seen you write off players who have demonstrated far more contribution than that.

That tally is utterly pathetic.


To make those numbers even more real the last 2 seasons he's played 31 games to contribute those 2 goals.  That's why people 'forget' his previous goals, it's because he's forgotten what he did to score them.  Pretty much any other club of our size would've fucked him off 2-3 years ago, maybe he doesn't deserve to be blamed for that but it doesn't stop him from having stolen a living out of us for years.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 23, 2017, 12:08:47 AM
Could someone list relevant email addresses for those of us not on Twitter?

I have found, from this site in 2014, that Lee Preece is the Supporter Liaison Officer and his e mail address is lee.preece@avfc.co.uk. I'm not sure if he's in the job still, but that could be a good place to start. The more emails that get sent, the more chance the club will listen to what they say. Hopefully...

Ta. Will send an email in the morning.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Damo70 on June 23, 2017, 12:12:26 AM
While I'm on the subject wasn't The Chinese Man the only bloke Henry McGhee  ever interviewed? Not exactly up there with Wogan and Parkinson.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on June 23, 2017, 12:15:10 AM
If you're going to notice the one performance where Gabby contributes something, you need to also notice the hundreds where he gives fuck all.

I agree with you on much, s_h, but I don't see how you can (rightly) criticise Lerner for being a not-giving-a-fuck arsehole but then defend the player who is the absolute poster boy of not-give-a-fuck-have-no-standards Aston Villa of the last few years.

If i had to sum up everything wrong with this club for the last five or six years in one picture, it'd be a photo of that fat c***.

Probably because he's scored 80+ goals for us which has been conveniently ignored by a large chunk of the support over the last few years. I admit he's fucked around way too often but Bruce said everyone was to be given a clean sheet when he arrived and I think Gabby deserves another shot. I thought he did well last season when he played but that injury he picked up set him back a bit. I'm give him another go next season too. He looks as fit as a fiddle.

It hasn't been conveniently ignored, it's been overshadowed by him sitting on his massive arse smoking his shisha pipe while his club went down the pan.

He looks fit as a fiddle does he? A professional footballer looks in good shape? How can we show our gratitude?!  I moot we sell the bastard to Aberdeen and make him run there.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 23, 2017, 12:16:33 AM
'Fun' fact. The last time Gabby had more goals than yellow cards in a season was 2012/13, which is the only time he's managed that in the last 6 seasons.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 23, 2017, 12:18:33 AM
So people who say racist things aren't really racist? So who is racist? Are we to sign people who groom children but aren't paedophiles also, just as long as they're 'winners'?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on June 23, 2017, 12:24:40 AM
I don't get that either. When it comes to identifying racists I always find their tendency to make racist comments is a big clue.

I also take issue with something mentioned earlier today, namely a racist comment made "in jest". How does that work? Surely that's like stabbing someone in jest. "Yes Officer, I hacked his head off with a machete, but it was only in jest, I'm not a murderer."
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 23, 2017, 12:31:59 AM
I don't get that either. When it comes to identifying racists I always find their tendency to make racist comments is a big clue.

I also take issue with something mentioned earlier today, namely a racist comment made "in jest". How does that work? Surely that's like stabbing someone in jest. "Yes Officer, I hacked his head off with a machete, but it was only in jest, I'm not a murderer."

Not a murderer in the sense that murderers are murderers.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: alftitimus on June 23, 2017, 12:32:38 AM
From Quora:

"..........
John Terry's career definitely has no shortage of controversy. Below I give you his rap sheet. Enjoy.

John Terry Career Rap Sheet:

Foung guilty and fined by Chelsea back in 2001, in the time of 9/11  attacks. Terry and some team mates reportedly mocked American tourists  outside the bar and threw food at them.
#1. Terry was banned from England National side in  2002 World Cup due to him proven guilty of assulting a night club  bouncer. Apperently Terry punched him in the face nad hit him with a  bottle and later claimed it was for self defence.
#2. Another incident him in the bar, he was seen  urinating in the glass at a local Essex nightclub and left it on the  floor. He claimed that because of injured toe he could not make it to  the washroom.
#3. Parked his Bentley in a Disabled area, fined a mere £60 for the charge.
#4. Terry came under fire after him along with Scot  Parker and Wayne Brige were reportedly betting on horses for over  £40,000 a week and professional footballers are not allowed to.
#5. 2004 season in Premier League started badly for  Terry, he was find £10,000 for inappropriate conduct. Allegedly he  racialy abused Tottenham player Ledly King and misbahved with match  referee Graham Poll.
#6. Terry Married Toni Pool his wife, but admitted  he cheated on here more than 8 to 10 times and in the mean time a  teenage girl Jenny Barker, revealed in the media that Terry cheated on  Toni Pool with her in the car park.
#7. John Terry took a bribe from a reporter for over  10000 GBP and let him take footage around the Chelsea training ground.  Chelsea found out and the fined him as he did the stuff without their  permission.
#8. Terry Mother and Mother in law were caught  shoplifting back in 2009 and that followed his father selling cocain to  an undercover police officer.
#9. Than came the biggest scandal of them all, Terry  had a four month fling with Wayne Brige (his team-mate at Chelsea at that point of time) Girlfriend and reportedly she  was pregnant and abort the baby and with the Incident Terry lost England  captaincy and was criticised so bad in the media over the next few  months.
#10. In October 2011 he alleged to have racially  abuse Anton Ferdinand (Rio Ferdinand brother) in the Premier League  game. Later found guilty and banned for a few games as well as he was  replaced as the captain in England team for the 2nd time in his career.
............. "

EDIT:
Rubbish spelling, but it was a 'cut-and-paste' quote, so I couldn't in fairness edit the content.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on June 23, 2017, 12:42:01 AM
I don't get that either. When it comes to identifying racists I always find their tendency to make racist comments is a big clue.

I also take issue with something mentioned earlier today, namely a racist comment made "in jest". How does that work? Surely that's like stabbing someone in jest. "Yes Officer, I hacked his head off with a machete, but it was only in jest, I'm not a murderer."

Not a murderer in the sense that murderers are murderers.

Exactly. Easy to get confused though. I had a bloke come round today to fix my toilet. He mucked about with a wrench in the cistern and it works now. Wasn't a plumber though. Just because he did some plumbing doesn't make him a plumber. It's all so complicated. I'm sure you've experienced similar.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: adrenachrome on June 23, 2017, 12:50:56 AM
In addition to the objections raised by most posters, I am concerned about  SB's strategy in offering the contract.

A lot of us think the current squad is more than capable of getting us promoted, but  Bruce started playing the card that the players bought in could not cope with the pressure. To me, that is an admission that he is unable to assemble a coaching team or the tactics necessary to do this.

It does not look good, in my view.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 23, 2017, 12:56:29 AM
From Quora:

"..........
John Terry's career definitely has no shortage of controversy. Below I give you his rap sheet. Enjoy.

John Terry Career Rap Sheet:

Foung guilty and fined by Chelsea back in 2001, in the time of 9/11  attacks. Terry and some team mates reportedly mocked American tourists  outside the bar and threw food at them.
#1. Terry was banned from England National side in  2002 World Cup due to him proven guilty of assulting a night club  bouncer. Apperently Terry punched him in the face nad hit him with a  bottle and later claimed it was for self defence.
#2. Another incident him in the bar, he was seen  urinating in the glass at a local Essex nightclub and left it on the  floor. He claimed that because of injured toe he could not make it to  the washroom.
#3. Parked his Bentley in a Disabled area, fined a mere £60 for the charge.
#4. Terry came under fire after him along with Scot  Parker and Wayne Brige were reportedly betting on horses for over  £40,000 a week and professional footballers are not allowed to.
#5. 2004 season in Premier League started badly for  Terry, he was find £10,000 for inappropriate conduct. Allegedly he  racialy abused Tottenham player Ledly King and misbahved with match  referee Graham Poll.
#6. Terry Married Toni Pool his wife, but admitted  he cheated on here more than 8 to 10 times and in the mean time a  teenage girl Jenny Barker, revealed in the media that Terry cheated on  Toni Pool with her in the car park.
#7. John Terry took a bribe from a reporter for over  10000 GBP and let him take footage around the Chelsea training ground.  Chelsea found out and the fined him as he did the stuff without their  permission.
#8. Terry Mother and Mother in law were caught  shoplifting back in 2009 and that followed his father selling cocain to  an undercover police officer.
#9. Than came the biggest scandal of them all, Terry  had a four month fling with Wayne Brige (his team-mate at Chelsea at that point of time) Girlfriend and reportedly she  was pregnant and abort the baby and with the Incident Terry lost England  captaincy and was criticised so bad in the media over the next few  months.
#10. In October 2011 he alleged to have racially  abuse Anton Ferdinand (Rio Ferdinand brother) in the Premier League  game. Later found guilty and banned for a few games as well as he was  replaced as the captain in England team for the 2nd time in his career.
............. "

EDIT:
Rubbish spelling, but it was a 'cut-and-paste' quote, so I couldn't in fairness edit the content.

Bloody Hell. What a nice bloke we are trying to sign.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 23, 2017, 01:13:11 AM
I've made my feelings plain on him, but it's a bit harsh blaming him for #8.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 23, 2017, 01:17:17 AM
True.

Replace it with:

#8. tried to amputate the leg of England teammate James Milner during an FA Cup Semi-Final.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 23, 2017, 01:20:30 AM
Works for me.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: alftitimus on June 23, 2017, 03:12:52 AM
I've made my feelings plain on him, but it's a bit harsh blaming him for #8.
;D

Yes...trifle harsh.

However. I think a lateral view can be taken on that.
i.e. That's his culture and environment - social and emotional.
The guy that posted it, missed out on the removal of the "Father-of-the-Year" he seemed to have won...laughingly as a result of the Wayne Bridge saga.

One thing Terry has always done, is acting the 'Big Noise' in the dressing room.
The organiser of cliques against managers and so on.

Be interesting to see him and Gabby splitting the dressing room.

Oh well.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on June 23, 2017, 06:06:53 AM
Do dressing rooms get split at this level? I imagine players are either too focused on looking good individually to get a move to the premier league or are so past it they are just taking a last pay cheque and so couldnt give a toss anyway.

Its hard for me to imagine any championship player caring enough about the team to create a split.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: alftitimus on June 23, 2017, 06:29:01 AM
 ;D

It's about 'Alpha Males' , ciggies.

Most dressing rooms have them, and they curl out to social life.

The old Plough Lane Wimbledon, is an excellent example.
Loads of Alpha-Males, loads of splits and fights.
The 'Crazy Gang' of Wise, Fashanu, Jones etc.... from lower leagues UP.

If Terry comes here, it will be interesting to see if the new Gaby-AM and trustee of the boss, 
maintains that position in the dressing room. ;D

Mind you, if we sign young Alex B.... game over   ;D

Not an Alpha  ;D...just a "sneak" ...IMO

 :)
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Chris Smith on June 23, 2017, 06:51:54 AM
In addition to the objections raised by most posters, I am concerned about  SB's strategy in offering the contract.

A lot of us think the current squad is more than capable of getting us promoted, but  Bruce started playing the card that the players bought in could not cope with the pressure. To me, that is an admission that he is unable to assemble a coaching team or the tactics necessary to do this.

It does not look good, in my view.

We need additional centre half cover so in that sense the squad is not good enough. One of Chester or Baker gets injured or suspended then we are in trouble. If a Terry like player was available but without the baggage then I doubt it would receive half the scrutiny this is. I can understand why people don't want him based on his character but from a purely footballing sense it makes a lot of sense.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: peter w on June 23, 2017, 06:54:12 AM
"People can say racist comments but it doesn't necessary mean you're racist?"

What the holy fuck does that mean????

Do you just mean that casual racism is acceptable?
Or racist banter?

No, I think it means that people use throwaway comments and use incendiary terms almost like a conjunctive; that is to inflame the insuly. You bastard become You black bastard, You fat bastard, You fucking bastard, You bald bastard, You stupid bastard etc etc etc the you and the bastard are often the only two important words and the middle one (kind of conjunctive for this purpose) is used merely as an emphasis.

Its stupid and thoughtless, and crass, but doesn't necessarily mean its racist.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: PeterWithe on June 23, 2017, 07:22:05 AM
I've made my feelings plain on him, but it's a bit harsh blaming him for #8.

And #4. Footballers can't bet on horse racing, since when?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: paul_e on June 23, 2017, 07:39:44 AM
I've made my feelings plain on him, but it's a bit harsh blaming him for #8.

And #4. Footballers can't bet on horse racing, since when?

I seem to remember it being said that it was a Chelsea club rule at the time.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Nunkin1965 on June 23, 2017, 07:56:44 AM
Great example to human kind or not, John Terry is a multiple winner on the football pitch and if we're on some sort of moral crusade by rejecting somebody like him then you'd better get used to Barnsley away on a Tuesday night. And it will probably be raining.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Gareth on June 23, 2017, 08:07:34 AM
As a little bit of balance to the argument that he is a total scumbag let's not forget that when Petrov was diagnosed he was one of the first to donate to the fund & if I remember correctly was one of the first to offer to play in his foundation game.

Not defending him but a bit of perspective at the end of the day he is a footballer who may or may not play for the team we all follow....he's not babysitting our kids or shooting our pets.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 23, 2017, 08:08:01 AM
Great example to human kind or not, John Terry is a multiple winner on the football pitch and if we're on some sort of moral crusade by rejecting somebody like him then you'd better get used to Barnsley away on a Tuesday night. And it will probably be raining.

Peter Schmeichel, Micah Richards and Joleon Lescott were all "winners" before we signed them. If we signed a thirty-year-old John Terry, he would almost certainly still be  a winner, but he's 37 and far from guaranteed to be so.

As for the second part of your post... that literally makes no sense. We won't get promoted unless we sign a racist? Is this something new rule? Who's Brighton's racist? Who's Bournemouth's racist?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 23, 2017, 08:10:39 AM
In addition to the objections raised by most posters, I am concerned about  SB's strategy in offering the contract.

A lot of us think the current squad is more than capable of getting us promoted, but  Bruce started playing the card that the players bought in could not cope with the pressure. To me, that is an admission that he is unable to assemble a coaching team or the tactics necessary to do this.

It does not look good, in my view.

We need additional centre half cover so in that sense the squad is not good enough. One of Chester or Baker gets injured or suspended then we are in trouble. If a Terry like player was available but without the baggage then I doubt it would receive half the scrutiny this is. I can understand why people don't want him based on his character but from a purely footballing sense it makes a lot of sense.

I'm struggling to see how "from a purely footballing sense" it makes a lot of sense for a second tier club to employ a 37 year old on £60k a week... as cover?

He won't be cover, so I'm not sure what point you're making. He'll be breaking up the only position in which we looked vaguely competent last season and leaving us lacking funds to address the parts of the team that really need addressing.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: brontebilly on June 23, 2017, 08:13:12 AM
In addition to the objections raised by most posters, I am concerned about  SB's strategy in offering the contract.

A lot of us think the current squad is more than capable of getting us promoted, but  Bruce started playing the card that the players bought in could not cope with the pressure. To me, that is an admission that he is unable to assemble a coaching team or the tactics necessary to do this.

It does not look good, in my view.

Agree 100%, we look to be again throwing money at the problem that time on the training field with a competent coaching team should fix.

John Terry as a footballer was superb, the best central defender I can recall in about 25 years but he hardly played last season so we will be defending very deep with him in the team, if his legs haven't completely packed it in.

A lot has been written about Terry as a person, a man of little morals and an unquenching desire to line his own pocket. Yet some of our biggest stars were far from angels off the pitch, performances on it are all that count.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on June 23, 2017, 08:19:43 AM
Whilst we pursue this transfer sha apparently lead the way to sign Marc Roberts an eminently more sensible option from Barnsley.  I do hope this isn't our owner simply trying to outdo them on this transfer.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: boozey182 on June 23, 2017, 08:29:18 AM
Great example to human kind or not, John Terry is a multiple winner on the football pitch and if we're on some sort of moral crusade by rejecting somebody like him then you'd better get used to Barnsley away on a Tuesday night. And it will probably be raining.

Peter Schmeichel, Micah Richards and Joleon Lescott were all "winners" before we signed them. If we signed a thirty-year-old John Terry, he would almost certainly still be  a winner, but he's 37 and far from guaranteed to be so.

As for the second part of your post... that literally makes no sense. We won't get promoted unless we sign a racist? Is this something new rule? Who's Brighton's racist? Who's Bournemouth's racist?

See I don't think we're too far away from agreeing here. I think (and apologies for putting words in people's mouths) that we all agree that there are too many dickheads playing football. Some people think that there are so many, how could you possibly build a successful team without at least one in your team - I can certainly sympathise with such an outlook. And then there are some of us who see that we have to take a stand against the dickheads and not just sit back and watch the posterboy for dickhead footballers join our club.

I'm convincing myself that after years of just standing by and watching, us fans can start to make a difference and not just accept someone who has been banned for racially abusing a fellow professional at our club. We couldn't have asked for a better opportunity to start; the most high profile dick in the game (apart from Suarez perhaps).

Aston Villa fans vs John Terry. It's the ultimate battle of good vs evil. Let's show the club what we think of him.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Chris Smith on June 23, 2017, 08:40:06 AM
In addition to the objections raised by most posters, I am concerned about  SB's strategy in offering the contract.

A lot of us think the current squad is more than capable of getting us promoted, but  Bruce started playing the card that the players bought in could not cope with the pressure. To me, that is an admission that he is unable to assemble a coaching team or the tactics necessary to do this.

It does not look good, in my view.

We need additional centre half cover so in that sense the squad is not good enough. One of Chester or Baker gets injured or suspended then we are in trouble. If a Terry like player was available but without the baggage then I doubt it would receive half the scrutiny this is. I can understand why people don't want him based on his character but from a purely footballing sense it makes a lot of sense.

I'm struggling to see how "from a purely footballing sense" it makes a lot of sense for a second tier club to employ a 37 year old on £60k a week... as cover?

He won't be cover, so I'm not sure what point you're making. He'll be breaking up the only position in which we looked vaguely competent last season and leaving us lacking funds to address the parts of the team that really need addressing.

We need another centre half, common sense tells us that Baker and Chester cannot play every game, injuries and suspensions will take there toll. So the argument that the squad is good enough does not stand up. If, as part of that deal we get one that is good enough to hold down a starting place then all the better.

It is understandable but I think your judgement of him as a player is clouded by your view of him as a man. He has never had pace but has made up for that with his strength, ability, leadership and positional sense. That is why there are a number of clubs interested in signing him.

On balance I would probably prefer that we didn't sign him but if we do then I am fairly confident that he would be good enough for the Championship.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: olaftab on June 23, 2017, 08:40:21 AM
The argument that is a winner is bunk. Robert Pires was a winner when he joined us as was said about Toy Keane. Pires was a laughing stock on the pitch and a complete waste. I don't expect Terry to be any better. Bruce has completely lost it now. This  Villa football team is not going to be fixed by throwing fat contracts at your mates and hoping for the best.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: brian green on June 23, 2017, 08:46:53 AM
A number 11 to the charge sheet could be having somebody  related to me evicted from the ground for trying to do his job then having the bouncers set on him for continuing the report in the public road outside.  The thoroughly reprehensible poster boy of a thoroughly reprehensible club.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 23, 2017, 08:48:56 AM
In addition to the objections raised by most posters, I am concerned about  SB's strategy in offering the contract.

A lot of us think the current squad is more than capable of getting us promoted, but  Bruce started playing the card that the players bought in could not cope with the pressure. To me, that is an admission that he is unable to assemble a coaching team or the tactics necessary to do this.

It does not look good, in my view.

We need additional centre half cover so in that sense the squad is not good enough. One of Chester or Baker gets injured or suspended then we are in trouble. If a Terry like player was available but without the baggage then I doubt it would receive half the scrutiny this is. I can understand why people don't want him based on his character but from a purely footballing sense it makes a lot of sense.

I'm struggling to see how "from a purely footballing sense" it makes a lot of sense for a second tier club to employ a 37 year old on £60k a week... as cover?

He won't be cover, so I'm not sure what point you're making. He'll be breaking up the only position in which we looked vaguely competent last season and leaving us lacking funds to address the parts of the team that really need addressing.

We need another centre half, common sense tells us that Baker and Chester cannot play every game, injuries and suspensions will take there toll. So the argument that the squad is good enough does not stand up. If, as part of that deal we get one that is good enough to hold down a starting place then all the better.

It is understandable but I think your judgement of him as a player is clouded by your view of him as a man. He has never had pace but has made up for that with his strength, ability, leadership and positional sense. That is why there are a number of clubs interested in signing him.

On balance I would probably prefer that we didn't sign him but if we do then I am fairly confident that he would be good enough for the Championship.

He might be good enough, he might not. As he's hardly played in the last six months, it's difficult to tell.

Maybe he's better than McGrath, Baresi or Beckenbauer... who all retired or disappeared to the Disney Retirement "Soccer" League at his age.

But you're agreeing that Baker and Chester are okay and that we need to strengthen "the squad'. Buying a player to come straight into the first team at centre-half is not a priority. We can easily get a promising youngster or a solid pro as centre-half cover, save ourselves a fortune in the process and re-invest in areas where we need to strengthen the team, as opposed to just providing cover.

There is no sense in the Terry signing. It's a vanity signing based on reputation rather than the logical needs of the team/squad. Nothing more, nothing less.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: brian green on June 23, 2017, 08:51:51 AM
I cannot stop shuddering at the prospects of us being called "John Terry's Aston Villa".
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Virgil Caine on June 23, 2017, 08:59:26 AM
I had hopes that the new regime of Wyness, Rounds and He who Walks on Water were going to put in place a different way of working than that been evident in the last 7 years. The potential signing of Terry and the baggage that he comes with appears to indicate no fresh thinking, which to me is really disappointing.

Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: andyh on June 23, 2017, 09:09:51 AM
Aside from the shitstorm this potential signing is causing, what does this tell us about Bruce's approach to the new season?

I think many, many fans were hoping Bruce would undergo some sort of epiphany this summer that would usher in a new way we approach the game.
Many said we need to change our style of play and become, fitter, stronger, with much more pace and movement.
We need to get away from the dinosaur approach of tippy tappy, sideways, backwards turgid football that had us finishing as a lower half, second division team last season.   

Targeting players like Terry does not suggest to me that Bruce has gone 'all modern' and we will enjoy the sort of football we saw from many other teams last season.
Many other teams who were better than us. 
   
 
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Chris Smith on June 23, 2017, 09:11:45 AM
In addition to the objections raised by most posters, I am concerned about  SB's strategy in offering the contract.

A lot of us think the current squad is more than capable of getting us promoted, but  Bruce started playing the card that the players bought in could not cope with the pressure. To me, that is an admission that he is unable to assemble a coaching team or the tactics necessary to do this.

It does not look good, in my view.

We need additional centre half cover so in that sense the squad is not good enough. One of Chester or Baker gets injured or suspended then we are in trouble. If a Terry like player was available but without the baggage then I doubt it would receive half the scrutiny this is. I can understand why people don't want him based on his character but from a purely footballing sense it makes a lot of sense.

I'm struggling to see how "from a purely footballing sense" it makes a lot of sense for a second tier club to employ a 37 year old on £60k a week... as cover?

He won't be cover, so I'm not sure what point you're making. He'll be breaking up the only position in which we looked vaguely competent last season and leaving us lacking funds to address the parts of the team that really need addressing.

We need another centre half, common sense tells us that Baker and Chester cannot play every game, injuries and suspensions will take there toll. So the argument that the squad is good enough does not stand up. If, as part of that deal we get one that is good enough to hold down a starting place then all the better.

It is understandable but I think your judgement of him as a player is clouded by your view of him as a man. He has never had pace but has made up for that with his strength, ability, leadership and positional sense. That is why there are a number of clubs interested in signing him.

On balance I would probably prefer that we didn't sign him but if we do then I am fairly confident that he would be good enough for the Championship.

He might be good enough, he might not. As he's hardly played in the last six months, it's difficult to tell.

Maybe he's better than McGrath, Baresi or Beckenbauer... who all retired or disappeared to the Disney Retirement "Soccer" League at his age.

But you're agreeing that Baker and Chester are okay and that we need to strengthen "the squad'. Buying a player to come straight into the first team at centre-half is not a priority. We can easily get a promising youngster or a solid pro as centre-half cover, save ourselves a fortune in the process and re-invest in areas where we need to strengthen the team, as opposed to just providing cover.

There is no sense in the Terry signing. It's a vanity signing based on reputation rather than the logical needs of the team/squad. Nothing more, nothing less.

Your last sentence just comes across as Theresa May level arrogance, "I know best so will shut down any debate, "Terry means Terry".

I am suggesting that I think the pairing from last season were adequate. Chester is more than good enough but Baker has many obvious flaws to his game, in my opinion, and that is before taking into account his injury record and propensity for picking up cards. We need another centre half, if that was to be of the quality that reduced the number of games we had to play Nathan then all the better. If we signed the dickhead from Chelsea we would have a better defence than last season, but he is a long way from being the only person that could do that.

As I said, I would prefer that we didn't' sign him but that is not to with what I think he could provide on the pitch.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Hookeysmith on June 23, 2017, 09:12:09 AM
I am actually more worried that Dr Tony is star struck and it is allowing Bruce's clear lack of coaching and leadership skills to be masked over.

I can see Bruce gone by October as I think this year we will be even worse than last - another season will be wasted

If we were alleged to have turned the club around on not to employ McClaren then I feel we should get the same message out
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Duncan Shaw on June 23, 2017, 09:13:37 AM
I've read all on here and can understand fully just about every viewpoint on this signing.

I'm only going to comment football-wise and I it would be fine, I think he's got enough about him to still be decent at this level and he's clearly got some desire if he's willing to slug it out in the Championship rather than go to US for $$$.  He might also bring Baker on somewhat, be good for his development.

2 things have struck me this morning though - firstly the comment above about the owner trying to get one over on Small Heath - this could be bang on the nail and worrying if so.

The other thing is reading the summary linked from the Beeb in the Grauniad, the more I think about it the more he using us and Brucie as a stalking horse - let it out there that they're all pally, that it's a done deal to try and flush out a better offer. 
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on June 23, 2017, 09:14:21 AM
For me the link with jt says more about Bruce.
Signing jt who comes with the tag line "no coaching required" suits bruce.
I've never really felt Bruce has had full control/authority over the changing room, since his arrival, especially with gabby, richards and bacuna in the background. Bruce would be hoping that if he had jt, that might help to shift the balance of power in his favour. Personally I would sack off the idea of signing jt and instead use some of the money mentioned (as jt's wages) to pay off any 1 or preferably all 3 of the wastrels mentioned above. The atmosphere at the club would change for the better overnight and we'd still be left with a potentially talented squad for the championship.
Finally for automatic promotion we need to be in the mix after 10-12 games. If we're not its too late to change manager (as we found out last season with rdm). Bruce knows this and probably realises he'll be judged after 6 games, especially after last season's brain freeze in Jan/Feb and missed opportunity to manage the season out after Burton away. The idea of signing jt is a typical Bruce short term quick fix with very little thought given to medium/long term objectives. If it's Bruce's idea to sign a 37 year old, has been, mercenary footballer for  huge wages,  whilst keeping hold of the likes of gabby, richards and bacuna, then I'm fast losing any hope for the coming season.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cannock villa on June 23, 2017, 09:14:36 AM
So people who say racist things aren't really racist? So who is racist? Are we to sign people who groom children but aren't paedophiles also, just as long as they're 'winners'?
So you have never said anything stupid in the heat of the moment which you obviously don't mean. An argument with a girlfriend/wife, telling off the kids when their naughty and saying I could kill you, it doesn't mean your a murderer.
Big Ron probably did more for black players in the 70's than most in football but then that is all forgotten by one stupid remark.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Chris Smith on June 23, 2017, 09:17:49 AM
Aside from the shitstorm this potential signing is causing, what does this tell us about Bruce's approach to the new season?

I think many, many fans were hoping Bruce would undergo some sort of epiphany this summer that would usher in a new way we approach the game.
Many said we need to change our style of play and become, fitter, stronger, with much more pace and movement.
We need to get away from the dinosaur approach of tippy tappy, sideways, backwards turgid football that had us finishing as a lower half, second division team last season.   

Targeting players like Terry does not suggest to me that Bruce has gone 'all modern' and we will enjoy the sort of football we saw from many other teams last season.
Many other teams who were better than us. 
 

When you consider the Chelsea sides he has play in and the managers he has played under I am not sure that argument holds up. A reliable defence allows the midfield more attacking freedom as they are not constantly having to worry about potential cock ups behind them.

I am really surprised to find myself sort of defending him as I have never had any time for the man but that does not stop me from recognising that he is (was?) a very good centre half.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 23, 2017, 09:18:23 AM
Is it acceptable to call a fellow professional a "fucking black c***"?

If not; why do you keep defending him with this tiresome "yeah but I bet you've made fun of a foreigner" routine?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: brian green on June 23, 2017, 09:20:15 AM
I am surprised Chris that you take such a pragmatic approach.  I share the view expressed by others that even considering Terry is to replay our old vices of lazy management decisions, profligacy with money and unnecessary risk taking.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Monty on June 23, 2017, 09:30:31 AM
Aside from the shitstorm this potential signing is causing, what does this tell us about Bruce's approach to the new season?

I think many, many fans were hoping Bruce would undergo some sort of epiphany this summer that would usher in a new way we approach the game.
Many said we need to change our style of play and become, fitter, stronger, with much more pace and movement.
We need to get away from the dinosaur approach of tippy tappy, sideways, backwards turgid football that had us finishing as a lower half, second division team last season.   

Targeting players like Terry does not suggest to me that Bruce has gone 'all modern' and we will enjoy the sort of football we saw from many other teams last season.
Many other teams who were better than us. 
 

When you consider the Chelsea sides he has play in and the managers he has played under I am not sure that argument holds up. A reliable defence allows the midfield more attacking freedom as they are not constantly having to worry about potential cock ups behind them.

I am really surprised to find myself sort of defending him as I have never had any time for the man but that does not stop me from recognising that he is (was?) a very good centre half.

Reliable, sure, but not one capable of pushing the high line that we need to change the way we play. Terry could only be 'reliable' in the same kind of defence in the same kind of tactics we saw from Bruce last season - i.e. scared, timid, stay-in-yer-half-and-hope-for-the-best football.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Risso on June 23, 2017, 09:41:28 AM
I cannot stop shuddering at the prospects of us being called "John Terry's Aston Villa".

That's not likely to be the case though, the media would never do that.  Even with players who we see as Villa heroes, the media like to portray them as belonging elsewhere, eg Paul McGrath and Man U, and David Platt and Arsenal.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Ads on June 23, 2017, 09:56:21 AM
In retrospect I much preferred being Martin O'Neill's Aston Villa than that turd that wouldn't flush.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Monty on June 23, 2017, 09:58:14 AM
In retrospect I much preferred being Martin O'Neill's Aston Villa than that turd that wouldn't flush.

Without wanting to get into that *again*, that was a lot of money to spend on that style of football. The idea that it was just Martin, and if only we tried Boggy Britball again (did I dream McLeish? Was Lambert a hallucination?) then we'd be fine again - well it's nonsense, isn't it?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: auntiesledd on June 23, 2017, 10:12:34 AM
I've just suffered an nauseating flashback of 'Mr Chelski' being given that ego-tastic guard of honour at the end of last season. I'd imagine that any future contract drawn up for the tosser would feature a compulsory halt during every match - so folk could pay full homage to the self-styled Legend that Terry thinks he is. Endearing images abound...
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on June 23, 2017, 10:19:39 AM
I've just suffered an nauseating flashback of 'Mr Chelski' being given that ego-tastic guard of honour at the end of last season. I'd imagine that any future contract drawn up for the tosser would feature a compulsory halt during every match - so folk could pay full homage to the self-styled Legend that Terry thinks he is. Endearing images abound...

We'll need to make some sort of banner. Something like, Captain, Leader, Racist....
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cannock villa on June 23, 2017, 10:26:20 AM
Is it acceptable to call a fellow professional a "fucking black c***"?

If not; why do you keep defending him with this tiresome "yeah but I bet you've made fun of a foreigner" routine?
See that's the point of all my posts. I haven't defended Terry at all in any of my posts. I don't know him, never met him and don't know anything about him that I haven't read about in the papers so how can I or anybody else make a damning judgement about him.
What I have been defending is that most people make a stupid comments from time to time but that doesn't make them racists. I have been called racist on this thread from people who have never met me. What is shows to me is that those that are first to a point finger and calls names are usually the most narrow minded.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Mossie Hennebry on June 23, 2017, 10:26:28 AM
For me the link with jt says more about Bruce.
Signing jt who comes with the tag line "no coaching required" suits bruce.
I've never really felt Bruce has had full control/authority over the changing room, since his arrival, especially with gabby, richards and bacuna in the background. Bruce would be hoping that if he had jt, that might help to shift the balance of power in his favour. Personally I would sack off the idea of signing jt and instead use some of the money mentioned (as jt's wages) to pay off any 1 or preferably all 3 of the wastrels mentioned above. The atmosphere at the club would change for the better overnight and we'd still be left with a potentially talented squad for the championship.
Finally for automatic promotion we need to be in the mix after 10-12 games. If we're not its too late to change manager (as we found out last season with rdm). Bruce knows this and probably realises he'll be judged after 6 games, especially after last season's brain freeze in Jan/Feb and missed opportunity to manage the season out after Burton away. The idea of signing jt is a typical Bruce short term quick fix with very little thought given to medium/long term objectives. If it's Bruce's idea to sign a 37 year old, has been, mercenary footballer for  huge wages,  whilst keeping hold of the likes of gabby, richards and bacuna, then I'm fast losing any hope for the coming season.

I agree with releasing the damaging players of Gabby and Richards. Sadly, they should have gone last year, but we wasted a good crisis. This move for Terry shows reveals our strategy for the season somewhat, and it doesn't look like we'll be getting rid of the deadwood or achieving much success on the pitch.

I cannot understand how we can change management teams, administrative teams and even owners/chairmen and nothing changes. I work in a massive corporation and can see each change at directorship level is of a man trying to make his mark and to hell with the practicalities of such change. But, surely Villa is a much leaner environment and change should happen quicker? But, our changes are just of men trying the same things again and not being innovative. Maybe, they're all spoofers? Maybe they don't have any ideas and they are all just referencing "Football Clubs for Dummies".

My fear is that with this move for Terry that our downward spiral will further downward for this term at least.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: KevinGage on June 23, 2017, 10:44:08 AM
^^

Agree with most of that.

It's a concern with regard to Round and the scouting set up, which was meant to get an overhaul.

If you look at our (mostly dismal) business last summer, you could make the argument that the structures weren't yet in place to move outside the immediate comfortzone of players the managers knew (Clarke > Tishbola Di Matteo> Gollini et.c) and there was an element of throwing money at the problem.

12 months on, and after and extensive, exhaustive search of world football the two best players to push us on are... a semi retired John Terry and Glen Whelan. 

We just don't learn.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Damo70 on June 23, 2017, 10:47:14 AM
I've just suffered an nauseating flashback of 'Mr Chelski' being given that ego-tastic guard of honour at the end of last season. I'd imagine that any future contract drawn up for the tosser would feature a compulsory halt during every match - so folk could pay full homage to the self-styled Legend that Terry thinks he is. Endearing images abound...

We'll need to make some sort of banner. Something like, Captain, Leader, Racist....



When we finally win the FA Cup next season and he is injured or suspended for the final will will let him lift the trophy in his full Villa kit?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: garyshawsknee on June 23, 2017, 10:53:01 AM
^^

Agree with most of that.

It's a concern with regard to Round and the scouting set up, which was meant to get an overhaul.

If you look at our (mostly dismal) business last summer, you could make the argument that the structures weren't yet in place to move outside the immediate comfortzone of players the managers knew (Clarke > Tishbola Di Matteo> Gollini et.c) and there was an element of throwing money at the problem.

12 months on, and after and extensive, exhaustive search of world football the two best players to push us on are... a semi retired John Terry and Glen Whelan. 

We just don't learn.

Well said KG. The idea we have a scouting network is pretty laughable and worrying at the same time. Not sure what Round is getting paid for as we lack any form of footballing identity.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: TheTimVilla on June 23, 2017, 11:01:58 AM
I wonder if Bruce is looking to play Terry in a three at the back, a system that he will have been heavily involved in last season, even if not playing regularly?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Clampy on June 23, 2017, 11:17:18 AM
^^

Agree with most of that.

It's a concern with regard to Round and the scouting set up, which was meant to get an overhaul.

If you look at our (mostly dismal) business last summer, you could make the argument that the structures weren't yet in place to move outside the immediate comfortzone of players the managers knew (Clarke > Tishbola Di Matteo> Gollini et.c) and there was an element of throwing money at the problem.

12 months on, and after and extensive, exhaustive search of world football the two best players to push us on are... a semi retired John Terry and Glen Whelan. 

We just don't learn.

Well said KG. The idea we have a scouting network is pretty laughable and worrying at the same time. Not sure what Round is getting paid for as we lack any form of footballing identity.

You seem to both forget that we picked up James Bree and the young centre half Beadeau from Bury so we're not just signing John Terry's and Glen Whelan's are we really?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Mister E on June 23, 2017, 11:26:46 AM
I had hopes that the new regime of Wyness, Rounds and He who Walks on Water were going to put in place a different way of working than that been evident in the last 7 years. The potential signing of Terry and the baggage that he comes with appears to indicate no fresh thinking, which to me is really disappointing.

This, and the observations that there does not seem to be much focus on coaching a new and innovative playing style; developing an Aston Villa approch to the game.
It's remarkable, actually, just how little progress we've made over the last few years in terms of addressing simple playing-style and squad issues.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: KevinGage on June 23, 2017, 11:30:48 AM

 I haven't defended Terry at all in any of my posts...

But:   

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My point was all the righteous on here are bringing up the race card, how many hands on heart can swear they have never made a stupid comment or even thought it.

I'm not racist, but:

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How many on here calling him all the name's under the sun can say with hand on heart they have never make a comment about the colour of somebodies skin colour or race whether in jest or not.

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So you have never told an English man, Irish man and Scots man joke or as a kid held the corner of your eyes up and  spoke in an Chinese accent ?

Your commitment to JT's defence is admirable, but if you don't see there is a bit of a difference between most of the casual 1970s-style stereotyping you've offered there and calling someone a fxcking black cxnt on live TV (not in jest, either) then I can't help you.

The daft racist barb was a comedy reference from a little known BBC show called Alan Partridge, and was intended in that spirit. Apologies if that wasn't clear.

You are on a sticky wicket if you assume that every poster here has first hand experience of dishing out racial comments/making slitty eyed gestures/ putting dog muck through a Pakistani's letterbox or variations on a similar theme, though.



Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cannock villa on June 23, 2017, 11:44:02 AM

 I haven't defended Terry at all in any of my posts...

But:   

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My point was all the righteous on here are bringing up the race card, how many hands on heart can swear they have never made a stupid comment or even thought it.

I'm not racist, but:

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How many on here calling him all the name's under the sun can say with hand on heart they have never make a comment about the colour of somebodies skin colour or race whether in jest or not.

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So you have never told an English man, Irish man and Scots man joke or as a kid held the corner of your eyes up and  spoke in an Chinese accent ?

Your commitment to JT's defence is admirable, but if you don't see there is a bit of a difference between most of the casual 1970s-style stereotyping you've offered there and calling someone a fxcking black cxnt on live TV (not in jest, either) then I can't help you.

The daft racist barb was a comedy reference from a little known BBC show called Alan Partridge, and was intended in that spirit. Apologies if that wasn't clear.

You are on a sticky wicket if you assume that every poster here has first hand experience of dishing out racial comments/making slitty eyed gestures/ putting dog muck through a Pakistani's letterbox or variations on a similar theme, though.






So you have attached some of my previous quotes presumably to show how I have defended Terry when in fact there is no reference to him. He may be a racist, he may not, I do not know him to make that judgement.
The only sticky wicket I am on seems to be from those of you upon your ivory towers casting their judgement on the rest of us. If you've never/thought made a joke or reference to someone's colour race then I take my hat off to you.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Hookeysmith on June 23, 2017, 11:50:03 AM
We all know what he is - it was proven and he was punished for it (I am not suggesting to forget and move onl)

Can we focus on what he potential could do for the club football wise - both good and bad as I am tending to skip over what he is and may miss a good comment about the player
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Three Spires Villa on June 23, 2017, 12:35:34 PM
Ok, wage to big for a 37 year old in the Championship, how many games do people think he will play over the season, not good value for money in my humble
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: paul_e on June 23, 2017, 12:42:27 PM
that's my view on it too, I can't see him playing more than 30 games and the costs seem excessive for that given where we are.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: olaftab on June 23, 2017, 12:52:25 PM
http://www.socceronsunday.com/article/john-terry-signs-spurs-two-year-deal/
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: KRS on June 23, 2017, 12:57:41 PM
Quality! :D
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: itbrvilla on June 23, 2017, 01:24:54 PM
^^

Agree with most of that.

It's a concern with regard to Round and the scouting set up, which was meant to get an overhaul.

If you look at our (mostly dismal) business last summer, you could make the argument that the structures weren't yet in place to move outside the immediate comfortzone of players the managers knew (Clarke > Tishbola Di Matteo> Gollini et.c) and there was an element of throwing money at the problem.

12 months on, and after and extensive, exhaustive search of world football the two best players to push us on are... a semi retired John Terry and Glen Whelan. 

We just don't learn.

Well said KG. The idea we have a scouting network is pretty laughable and worrying at the same time. Not sure what Round is getting paid for as we lack any form of footballing identity.
Surely Wyness being the ''football person'' we've apparently been crying out for over the years, is responsible for the management and oversight of all matters at the club.  He strikes me as a chancer and here just for the money.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: tomd2103 on June 23, 2017, 01:30:46 PM
I wonder if Bruce is looking to play Terry in a three at the back, a system that he will have been heavily involved in last season, even if not playing regularly?

Good point and there are a few indications that might happen, especially the rumoured interest in El Ahmadi, who is a wing back.  Jedinak to drop back as well perhaps and it would give us the chance to play two up front, something that Bruce has said he wants to look at.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 23, 2017, 01:33:01 PM
I hate three at the back. Our defence was, mostly, fine, last year.

Why would we want to take a potential playmaker out of our woeful midfield to make room for an extra player in a position of strength?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: tomd2103 on June 23, 2017, 01:41:45 PM
I hate three at the back. Our defence was, mostly, fine, last year.

Why would we want to take a potential playmaker out of our woeful midfield to make room for an extra player in a position of strength?

Oh I agree, but that are one or two pointers suggesting that is the way he might be thinking. 

I'm with you though, a back four of De Laet, Chester, AN Other and Taylor is more than good enough for the division. 
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: paul_e on June 23, 2017, 01:44:02 PM
I wonder if Bruce is looking to play Terry in a three at the back, a system that he will have been heavily involved in last season, even if not playing regularly?

Good point and there are a few indications that might happen, especially the rumoured interest in El Ahmadi, who is a wing back.  Jedinak to drop back as well perhaps and it would give us the chance to play two up front, something that Bruce has said he wants to look at.

I think the elmohamady links are more just that's he's signed him a couple of times before, I don't think there's much more to it.

I agree that he is probably looking at it though, which I think is a huge mistake.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 23, 2017, 01:47:12 PM
I hate three at the back. Our defence was, mostly, fine, last year.

Why would we want to take a potential playmaker out of our woeful midfield to make room for an extra player in a position of strength?

Oh I agree, but that are one or two pointers suggesting that is the way he might be thinking. 

I'm with you though, a back four of De Laet, Chester, AN Other and Taylor is more than good enough for the division.

Replace AN Other with Baker and it's more than good enough. We need cover, sure. Spending 60k a week plus bonuses and signing fee on a position where our first team are fine is lunacy.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: boozey182 on June 23, 2017, 02:19:39 PM
Could someone list relevant email addresses for those of us not on Twitter?

I have found, from this site in 2014, that Lee Preece is the Supporter Liaison Officer and his e mail address is lee.preece@avfc.co.uk. I'm not sure if he's in the job still, but that could be a good place to start. The more emails that get sent, the more chance the club will listen to what they say. Hopefully...

Ta. Will send an email in the morning.
I've had a reply from Lee, who assures me the sentiment will be forwarded on accordingly. He seems like a good guy.

It took two minutes to send him an email, so if anyone else is concerned that John Terry might sign for us, send an email. It feels so much better to have done something, even if it may be futile.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: paul_e on June 23, 2017, 02:25:17 PM
The problem with the defence is when you try to pop in all the options for each position:

RB:
De Laet
Bree
Hutton

CB:
Chester
Baker
Elphick*
Richards*



LB:
Taylor
Amavi*

Replacing the 3 Bold/starred players with people we want, who want to stay and who are decent is the important thing to happen here.  We might be able to bring through a kid or 2 but we definitely need to add some depth there.  I'm not sure that Terry is the right type of player for this though.  I think someone to compete with Baker who could be an option in the premier league if we get promoted should be the choice and then the 4th can be someone like Bedeau.  With Jedinak and De Laet as emergency cover that's ok.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: olaftab on June 23, 2017, 02:42:04 PM
Bruce has no idea as he is not a conviction coach. He is going to carry on with trial and error till it's ok or he is sacked.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: passitsideways on June 23, 2017, 02:57:36 PM
The other thing is, it might give a chance playing 3 at the back properly once more - we struggled to build play with that formation because we didn't have centre halves who could pass the ball, but Terry's honestly one of the better ball-playing defenders England's ever had, and you'd think at least that bit of his game won't have diminished from age.

Still would rather not have him, mind.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: TheTimVilla on June 23, 2017, 03:15:03 PM
I hate three at the back. Our defence was, mostly, fine, last year.

Why would we want to take a potential playmaker out of our woeful midfield to make room for an extra player in a position of strength?

I'm thinking more in terms of the fact that we need to score almost double the number of goals we scored last season (47). A 3-4-3 along the lines of:

Goalie, de Laet, 3CHs, Bree; Lansbury, Hourihane; Kodjia, Hogan, AN Other
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 23, 2017, 03:15:34 PM
That looks horrific.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: mr underhill on June 23, 2017, 04:15:25 PM
particularly as we seem to be playing without a left back.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: tomd2103 on June 23, 2017, 06:05:18 PM
I hate three at the back. Our defence was, mostly, fine, last year.

Why would we want to take a potential playmaker out of our woeful midfield to make room for an extra player in a position of strength?

Oh I agree, but that are one or two pointers suggesting that is the way he might be thinking. 

I'm with you though, a back four of De Laet, Chester, AN Other and Taylor is more than good enough for the division.

Replace AN Other with Baker and it's more than good enough. We need cover, sure. Spending 60k a week plus bonuses and signing fee on a position where our first team are fine is lunacy.

I still think we need better than Baker (particularly better on the ball) for the first choice partner for Chester.  I agree with Paul's point above that we could do with a CB who is going to be able to make the step up to the top flight if we do make it.  I agree that there are enough options out there to not be spending that on a huge gamble like John Terry. 
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: tomd2103 on June 23, 2017, 06:06:32 PM
I wonder if Bruce is looking to play Terry in a three at the back, a system that he will have been heavily involved in last season, even if not playing regularly?

Good point and there are a few indications that might happen, especially the rumoured interest in El Ahmadi, who is a wing back.  Jedinak to drop back as well perhaps and it would give us the chance to play two up front, something that Bruce has said he wants to look at.

I think the elmohamady links are more just that's he's signed him a couple of times before, I don't think there's much more to it.

I agree that he is probably looking at it though, which I think is a huge mistake.

Hopefully Paul.  I honestly couldn't see the sense in signing another RB, especially if money is as tight as we are being led to believe.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: London Villan on June 23, 2017, 06:31:18 PM
Throw jedinak into that mix and it makes less sense. Id rather spend that money on barry or carrick.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 23, 2017, 07:21:20 PM
I hate three at the back. Our defence was, mostly, fine, last year.

Why would we want to take a potential playmaker out of our woeful midfield to make room for an extra player in a position of strength?

Oh I agree, but that are one or two pointers suggesting that is the way he might be thinking. 

I'm with you though, a back four of De Laet, Chester, AN Other and Taylor is more than good enough for the division.

Replace AN Other with Baker and it's more than good enough. We need cover, sure. Spending 60k a week plus bonuses and signing fee on a position where our first team are fine is lunacy.

I still think we need better than Baker (particularly better on the ball) for the first choice partner for Chester.  I agree with Paul's point above that we could do with a CB who is going to be able to make the step up to the top flight if we do make it.  I agree that there are enough options out there to not be spending that on a huge gamble like John Terry.

Baker is more than adequate... we had the third or fourth best defence last year. By all means upgrade if we go up, but we'd be a Premier League club with better options, then.

Bring in some cover, preferably a young talent for the future.

Sign somebody with actual PACE in midfield. Has to be number one priority.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: paul_e on June 23, 2017, 07:39:47 PM
Sign somebody with actual PACE in midfield. Has to be number one priority.

Not going to quote the whole thing but I think the pace problems at the club won't be solved by doing that because the issue is more fundamental.  We play at such a slow tempo and don't look for runners so we look really slow but with some coaching that could be resolved without a huge number of changes.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Ads on June 23, 2017, 07:44:03 PM
Baker distributing for the back doesn't help.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on June 23, 2017, 07:50:50 PM
Baker distributing for the back doesn't help.

Distribution is one area I could see Terry actually adding value. It was always his biggest strength as a player imho.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: tomd2103 on June 24, 2017, 12:25:31 AM
I hate three at the back. Our defence was, mostly, fine, last year.

Why would we want to take a potential playmaker out of our woeful midfield to make room for an extra player in a position of strength?

Oh I agree, but that are one or two pointers suggesting that is the way he might be thinking. 

I'm with you though, a back four of De Laet, Chester, AN Other and Taylor is more than good enough for the division.

Replace AN Other with Baker and it's more than good enough. We need cover, sure. Spending 60k a week plus bonuses and signing fee on a position where our first team are fine is lunacy.

I still think we need better than Baker (particularly better on the ball) for the first choice partner for Chester.  I agree with Paul's point above that we could do with a CB who is going to be able to make the step up to the top flight if we do make it.  I agree that there are enough options out there to not be spending that on a huge gamble like John Terry.

Baker is more than adequate... we had the third or fourth best defence last year. By all means upgrade if we go up, but we'd be a Premier League club with better options, then.

Bring in some cover, preferably a young talent for the future.

Sign somebody with actual PACE in midfield. Has to be number one priority.

My main issue with Baker is that we are never going to be able to play anything resembling decent football from the back with him playing.  When you add Jedinak just in front of him, it's even less likely.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: ozzjim on June 24, 2017, 07:51:44 AM
I could see a back 3 of Chester Terry and DeLeat working quite well.  The latter would give the pace, Terry can actually pass and Chester... well he's just good.  Bree and Taylor wide either side and you can get Grealish into a midfield with license to roam. I would actually play Hourihane deeper with Jedinak as I think he can dictate play deeper.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Mister E on June 24, 2017, 09:36:14 AM
I could see a back 3 of Chester Terry and DeLeat working quite well.  The latter would give the pace, Terry can actually pass and Chester... well he's just good.  Bree and Taylor wide either side and you can get Grealish into a midfield with license to roam. I would actually play Hourihane deeper with Jedinak as I think he can dictate play deeper.
But you could make a back three from several exisitng players - Baker, Chester, Delaet, Bedeau, Toner, Hutton, Jedinak; admittedly, not all would be my choice, but you could defintely make a fist of it.
The priority for me is back-up leftback / wingback and getting rid of the dead wood (Bacuna, Flabby, Richards, et al): this would force Bruce to pck some of th eyounger members of the squad.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: dave shelley on June 24, 2017, 11:54:15 AM
I was missing all yesterday evening but before I left I saw on here that Terry had signed for Spurs.  Is that true or is it a spoof?  I had a quick squint at one of the Irish papers this morning and there was no mention.  I hope yesterday's sense of relief wasn't a little previous.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 24, 2017, 11:57:44 AM
Fuck it, can't hurt...

Hi Lee,

I thank you in advance for taking the time to read this, and hope that it can reach someone who may have a say on whether or not we decide to proceed with the planned acquisition of John Terry.

I have never seen fit to contact anyone at the club regarding a rumoured signing before, even if I have my misgivings. I'm always of the opinion that you should give anyone a chance and give them full support once they become Aston Villa players.

I have been a season ticket holder for thirty years, in good, average and abysmal seasons, in the top flight and, now, in the second tier. I'd support them in the Midland Combination Fifth Division, too. While I might moan about performances, I would never turn my back on the club no matter how many times we lost.

Part of that loyalty is based on the fact that, no matter how bad things have got, we have always done things with a touch of class and dignity, in keeping with the glorious history of the club.

Which brings me to John Terry. You could hardly imagine a player, or even a human being, that less embodies the ethos of "class and dignity". His list of misdemeanors is lengthy, and I won't bore you with repeating what I'm sure you are well aware of. What concerns me most of all, though, is his racism.

If either you or I called somebody a "fucking black c***" while at work, I'm sure we would lose our jobs. It is completely unacceptable in any walk of life.

When I first started attending Villa matches thirty years ago, it was rare to see a non-white face in the crowd. I take pride in how this has changed over the years. We are a club from an ethnically-mixed district of one of the most diverse cities on Earth, and I believe that is cause for celebration.

Signing John Terry is sticking two fingers up to ethnic minorities among our squad, our staff and, most significantly, our supporters.

The approach has already split the fans, and would cause me to lose a bit of the pride I take in our club. It may also cause me to consider my position as a season ticket holder, something which I have taken for granted for decades, regardless of results.

I thank you for taking the time to read this.

Kind regards,


Cdbullyweefan.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: AV5nobs on June 24, 2017, 12:41:31 PM
Seem to recall loads of letters sent to the club objecting to Big Eck becoming manager....how did that one turn out.

Waste of time.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 24, 2017, 12:42:50 PM
Probably right, I found it cathartic.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 24, 2017, 12:51:27 PM
I am a great believer in writing a letter about something that really concerns you.
If you want to change or influence something, doing nothing or moaning on an internet site is not going to work.
Yes and it is cathartic.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: AV5nobs on June 24, 2017, 12:58:17 PM
As long as people feel better for it then great, but there is zero influence.

The only way fan power will ever change something is to not attend games and that's not going to happen, especially on this issue as it's 50/50 from people I speak to.

I'm more concerned at JT being passed it than stupid comments.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: CJ on June 24, 2017, 01:01:44 PM
I was missing all yesterday evening but before I left I saw on here that Terry had signed for Spurs.  Is that true or is it a spoof?  I had a quick squint at one of the Irish papers this morning and there was no mention.  I hope yesterday's sense of relief wasn't a little previous.

Read beyond the headline (http://www.socceronsunday.com/article/john-terry-signs-spurs-two-year-deal/) then decide for yourself  ;)
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 24, 2017, 01:04:37 PM
It's basically one joke stretched across several paragraphs.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: dave shelley on June 24, 2017, 01:44:35 PM
Ah!  Size nine firmly planted in the orifice under my nose.  In deference to myself, I was in a hurry to get out to take my elderly neighbour thirty miles to hospital where I spent nine hours waiting only for her to be sent home again.  That was because the vindictive, lying bastard that has just stepped down as prime minister here saw fit to close a recently upgraded,state of the art A&E one mile from our house because a local MP had the temerity to vote against him in a tabled vote of no confidence.  This after making a pre-election promise to continue services.  It was like a field hospital over there last night with people on trolleys as there were no beds available.  Rant over.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Damo70 on June 24, 2017, 01:56:36 PM
That 'report' made me laugh. "I'm all about the clunge at this point in my career" particularly made me LOL.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: brian green on June 24, 2017, 02:06:12 PM
I only tumbled it at the last minute Dave.  Agree about the state of emergency care.  In my daughter's constituency a community 24 hours emergency health centre has been sold for property development.  My daughter crusaded to keep it but lost by 300 votes.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Ads on June 24, 2017, 02:10:08 PM
Fucking John Terry buying up A&E departments. When will enough be enough John?!
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: brian green on June 24, 2017, 02:16:10 PM
I was responding to my friend Dave's post.  We get that you are keen on Terry Ads.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Damo70 on June 24, 2017, 02:20:24 PM
Fucking John Terry buying up A&E departments. When will enough be enough John?!


Surely if any footballer was going to buy up A&E departments it should be Andy Carroll.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: class-of-82 on June 24, 2017, 05:45:47 PM
Wonder what the response on here would be if we bid £150,000,000 for Louis suarez and offered him 250k a week.

Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: AV5nobs on June 24, 2017, 06:33:21 PM
Wonder what the response on here would be if we bid £150,000,000 for Louis suarez and offered him 250k a week.

Class, its all gone quiet!!
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Clampy on June 24, 2017, 06:38:18 PM
Wonder what the response on here would be if we bid £150,000,000 for Louis suarez and offered him 250k a week.

Class, its all gone quiet!!

What do you mean it's all gone quiet? There are people on this site who are happy to see him come here. There are people who are not. What's wrong with that?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: AV5nobs on June 24, 2017, 06:47:04 PM
Absolutely nothing,  don't want him anywhere near us for footballing reasons, not social contradictions.

But it will be interesting how many would be adamant Suarez wouldn't be welcome for scruple reasons.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 24, 2017, 06:55:19 PM
I wouldn't want Suarez either, he's a cheating, racist nutjob. Suarez is one of the few players i'd want to see in a Villa shirt even less than Terry.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Clampy on June 24, 2017, 06:56:23 PM
Like i said, people have their own reason's for not wanting him here and that's fine. I still don't get the 'class, it's all gone quiet' comment. I have a feeling I know what you're aiming for though.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: AV5nobs on June 24, 2017, 07:12:36 PM
Like i said, people have their own reason's for not wanting him here and that's fine. I still don't get the 'class, it's all gone quiet' comment. I have a feeling I know what you're aiming for though.

If we signed Suarez right this second this site would go into overload of excitement, fact.

And every goal scored would be responded with at worst, for those genuinely and respectfully against the man, with a conservative applause.

Big Ron banished from our history yet?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 24, 2017, 07:20:19 PM
Actually it's not fact, it's your opinion. I'd imagine many would be delighted, i'd imagine many wouldn't be. I'd imagine most would wonder how the smeg we'd get round FFP paying that kind of money.

And if it helps, Atkinson was an absolute twat for what he said and I wouldn't want him near VP again either.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: AV5nobs on June 24, 2017, 07:28:48 PM
Actually it's not fact, it's your opinion. I'd imagine many would be delighted, i'd imagine many wouldn't be. I'd imagine most would wonder how the smeg we'd get round FFP paying that kind of money.

And if it helps, Atkinson was an absolute twat for what he said and I wouldn't want him near VP again either.

Couldn't agree more.

Stupid comments however, do not make people inherently racist.

I was in the company of a certain Norwegian Villa "legend" whom made certain comments about females, that would test even the most ardent Villa fans....is sexism worse than racist comments?

Surely every footballer ever putting on a Villa shirt is guilty of some form of stereotypical comment at some point...if we were to wish them all away we would never have had a team nor future.  That's life.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: saunders_heroes on June 24, 2017, 07:54:02 PM
Wonder what the response on here would be if we bid £150,000,000 for Louis suarez and offered him 250k a week.



I'd say, YES!
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Ads on June 24, 2017, 07:56:02 PM
If 2nd division Aston Villa signed one of the best forwards in the world, I think you'd be telling prokies if you weren't excited to see him score goals and also eat an apple through a tennis racket.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 24, 2017, 08:02:42 PM
The only difference between my opinion on us signing Suarez and Terry is questioning the "he'd massively improve us" stuff as he obviously would. I still wouldn't want to sign him though. It's pretty irrelevant though as there's zero chance of us ever finding out.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: AV5nobs on June 24, 2017, 08:10:29 PM
The only difference between my opinion on us signing Suarez and Terry is questioning the "he'd massively improve us" stuff as he obviously would. I still wouldn't want to sign him though. It's pretty irrelevant though as there's zero chance of us ever finding out.

But surely if we are dealing with principles of what people have said or represent, ability past, present or future surely becomes irrelevant.

You stand in the moralistic 1% of people who without lying would stand by "no".

Fair play to you.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 24, 2017, 08:15:07 PM
Well yes, which is why I wouldn't want Suarez despite how good a player he is. I can't speak for anyone else though.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Damo70 on June 24, 2017, 08:17:28 PM
The only difference between my opinion on us signing Suarez and Terry is questioning the "he'd massively improve us" stuff as he obviously would. I still wouldn't want to sign him though. It's pretty irrelevant though as there's zero chance of us ever finding out.

But surely if we are dealing with principles of what people have said or represent, ability past, present or future surely becomes irrelevant.

You stand in the moralistic 1% of people who without lying would stand by "no".

Fair play to you.



I must have my grumpy, pessimistic head on today because my first thought on those comments were that ability past, present or future appear to have been irrelevant at Villa Park in recent times.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: class-of-82 on June 24, 2017, 08:18:22 PM
Also it's a bit like the 8-9 thousand yanited fans at vp in the mid 80s when we was stuffing them all chanting "fergie out fergie out" yet 7-8 years later when they won the prem and few more years later when the won the champions lge not one of them would say they wS there and chanted it.
Bit like the 10,000 villa fans at the hawthorns in the 70s when Regis Cunningham and Batson got pelted with bananas and every villa fan cheered when it happened but I bet not one of you who slag terry off was at the hawthorns that day ? ?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: class-of-82 on June 24, 2017, 08:19:45 PM
Or maybe you was ????
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: AV5nobs on June 24, 2017, 08:20:22 PM
Well yes, which is why I wouldn't want Suarez despite how good a player he is. I can't speak for anyone else though.

Serious question, and it's apparent that you are indignant about these kind of players wearing our beautiful colours, and genuine respect
for that.....here's a scenario. JT esque personality/ background player captains / another striker of similar background scores 20+ goals to gain us promotion - you don't stand there and applaud their goals - you simply stand and refuse to applaud?

Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on June 24, 2017, 08:26:35 PM
As I mentioned earlier I wouldnt want Suarez at all. My ethical principles would be challenged by the fact that unlike all the others on my list Suarez is a good footballer. But I genuinely couldn't enjoy watching Villa play with him in the team so I wouldn't until he was gone.

Aston Villa players dont have to be angels or even nice people for me to support them, but there is a limit. Some players are simply too much of a scumbag to stomach.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 24, 2017, 08:29:58 PM
Until it happens who knows. I was delighted when we scored against sha, it didn't change my opinion of Gabby. I don't have a ST so always have the choice of going to a game or not, but if we sign Terry I have little doubt my appearances at VP will be a lot less than normal.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: AV5nobs on June 24, 2017, 08:30:35 PM
As I mentioned earlier I wouldnt want Suarez at all. My ethical principles would be challenged by the fact that unlike all the others on my list Suarez is a good footballer. But I genuinely couldn't enjoy watching Villa play with him in the team so I wouldn't until he was gone.

Aston Villa players dont have to be angels or even nice people for me to support them, but there is a limit. Some players are simply too much of a scumbag to stomach.

Jesus, you must stay in the house, watch no tv and work with the Red Cross.

If Suarez scored 25 goals and got us back in the premier (with the support from his villa team mates btw) I would name my next child Dracula.

Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: AV5nobs on June 24, 2017, 08:32:42 PM
It's just as well we have a solid amount of season ticket holders who have no choice but to attempt to be supportive, regardless of form, weather or bastards playing for us.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: four fornicholl on June 24, 2017, 08:32:53 PM
As I mentioned earlier I wouldnt want Suarez at all. My ethical principles would be challenged by the fact that unlike all the others on my list Suarez is a good footballer. But I genuinely couldn't enjoy watching Villa play with him in the team so I wouldn't until he was gone.

Aston Villa players dont have to be angels or even nice people for me to support them, but there is a limit. Some players are simply too much of a scumbag to stomach.
If, and its a massive If, Saurez was at the Villa, we would be in the Premier League and the Champions League, that would do for me.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: class-of-82 on June 24, 2017, 08:33:18 PM
AV5nobs
Exactly mate so would ii
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: London Villan on June 24, 2017, 08:33:34 PM
I thought he was signing for Spurs?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 24, 2017, 08:37:00 PM
It's just as well we have a solid amount of season ticket holders who have no choice but to attempt to be supportive, regardless of form, weather or bastards playing for us.

Ah the better fan than yow argument.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: AV5nobs on June 24, 2017, 08:46:38 PM
It's just as well we have a solid amount of season ticket holders who have no choice but to attempt to be supportive, regardless of form, weather or bastards playing for us.

Ah the better fan than yow argument.

Hardly, But comments alluding to reducing ones presence at games due to certain players signing, don't really bode well with some season ticket holders that I know.

I for one am not a season ticket holder and am not perpetuating your alleged debate of loyalty / right of opinion based on games attended.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 24, 2017, 08:50:02 PM
And yet i'm only talking about me, everyone else can do what they want. It's kind of how it works, I do what's right for me, every other fan can do what's right for them. I haven't once criticised anyone or said they are wrong for being fine/ok/happy if Terry signs, just that it's not for me.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: AV5nobs on June 24, 2017, 08:55:09 PM
And yet i'm only talking about me, everyone else can do what they want. It's kind of how it works, I do what's right for me, every other fan can do what's right for them. I haven't once criticised anyone or said they are wrong for being fine/ok/happy if Terry signs, just that it's not for me.

Fair deux.

Good debating.

We all love AVFC.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 24, 2017, 09:01:26 PM
We do indeed.

UTV
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: johnny from donny on June 24, 2017, 09:03:32 PM
I may be daft (ok I'm definitely daft) but I still don't think he'll sign for us.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: ozzjim on June 24, 2017, 09:05:51 PM
We can but hope Johnny
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on June 24, 2017, 09:08:03 PM
As I mentioned earlier I wouldnt want Suarez at all. My ethical principles would be challenged by the fact that unlike all the others on my list Suarez is a good footballer. But I genuinely couldn't enjoy watching Villa play with him in the team so I wouldn't until he was gone.

Aston Villa players dont have to be angels or even nice people for me to support them, but there is a limit. Some players are simply too much of a scumbag to stomach.

Jesus, you must stay in the house, watch no tv and work with the Red Cross.

If Suarez scored 25 goals and got us back in the premier (with the support from his villa team mates btw) I would name my next child Dracula.

Wait..... staying in the house and not watching TV is ethical behaviour? Bloody hell I am a saint and I never knew it :)
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: ozzjim on June 24, 2017, 10:23:46 PM
Torygraph reckon West Brom are still well in the Terry race. Come on Pulis. Get it done.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: boozey182 on June 24, 2017, 10:59:34 PM
Apologies for the tardy response but I would also stop going if we signed Suarez. As I've said before, people go and watch Villa for a whole host of reasons, all equally logical, but signing someone who racially abused people would contradict mine, and I will do anything I can to stop it happening, even if my actions are completely futile. People thinking differently doesn't make them better or worse people or fans.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 24, 2017, 11:03:36 PM
Boycotting is a little too far for me but each to their own.

It's not like he's going to be with us for years and years, 2 years maximum, more likely just a year to get us up.

Did anyone boycott when Bannan got done for drink driving and still continued to play for us? Stan Collymore?

I already feel disconnected from the club for the monumental cock ups they've made on a yearly basis since 2010 so think I can withstand us signing yet another dodgy character who might actually help get us going and winning on the pitch and help to slowly get us back to where we should be.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: boozey182 on June 24, 2017, 11:18:30 PM
Boycotting is a little too far for me but each to their own.

It's not like he's going to be with us for years and years, 2 years maximum, more likely just a year to get us up.

Did anyone boycott when Bannan got done for drink driving and still continued to play for us? Stan Collymore?

I already feel disconnected from the club for the monumental cock ups they've made on a yearly basis since 2010 so think I can withstand us signing yet another dodgy character who might actually help get us going and winning on the pitch and help to slowly get us back to where we should be.

I appreciate what you're saying and drink driving is a horrendous thing to do. I guess for me there are two things that make this situation different. One, very personal reason, is that I've recently had a child. I feel it's my responsibility to him to show him that racism is absolutely not okay. To bring him up supporting a team with John Terry in suggests that what I'm actually saying is "racism is bad but if you're good at football it'll all be alright in the end". If the drink driving thing happened now, I would probably see this differently.

Secondly, and much more morally dubious, is that Bannan committed his crime while he was playing for us. We were stuck with him until we could get rid of him. With Terry, we know what he's like and we're still actively trying to get him to play for us. That, to me, makes it much worse.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: saunders_heroes on June 24, 2017, 11:21:13 PM
Boycotting is a little too far for me but each to their own.

It's not like he's going to be with us for years and years, 2 years maximum, more likely just a year to get us up.

Did anyone boycott when Bannan got done for drink driving and still continued to play for us? Stan Collymore?

I already feel disconnected from the club for the monumental cock ups they've made on a yearly basis since 2010 so think I can withstand us signing yet another dodgy character who might actually help get us going and winning on the pitch and help to slowly get us back to where we should be.

I appreciate what you're saying and drink driving is a horrendous thing to do. I guess for me there are two things that make this situation different. One, very personal reason, is that I've recently had a child. I feel it's my responsibility to him to show him that racism is absolutely not okay. To bring him up supporting a team with John Terry in suggests that what I'm actually saying is "racism is bad but if you're good at football it'll all be alright in the end". If the drink driving thing happened now, I would probably see this differently.

Secondly, and much more morally dubious, is that Bannan committed his crime while he was playing for us. We were stuck with him until we could get rid of him. With Terry, we know what he's like and we're still actively trying to get him to play for us. That, to me, makes it much worse.

Other than the Ferdinand incident I don't remember any other racist incidents involving Terry though.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: boozey182 on June 24, 2017, 11:25:29 PM
Boycotting is a little too far for me but each to their own.

It's not like he's going to be with us for years and years, 2 years maximum, more likely just a year to get us up.

Did anyone boycott when Bannan got done for drink driving and still continued to play for us? Stan Collymore?

I already feel disconnected from the club for the monumental cock ups they've made on a yearly basis since 2010 so think I can withstand us signing yet another dodgy character who might actually help get us going and winning on the pitch and help to slowly get us back to where we should be.

I appreciate what you're saying and drink driving is a horrendous thing to do. I guess for me there are two things that make this situation different. One, very personal reason, is that I've recently had a child. I feel it's my responsibility to him to show him that racism is absolutely not okay. To bring him up supporting a team with John Terry in suggests that what I'm actually saying is "racism is bad but if you're good at football it'll all be alright in the end". If the drink driving thing happened now, I would probably see this differently.

Secondly, and much more morally dubious, is that Bannan committed his crime while he was playing for us. We were stuck with him until we could get rid of him. With Terry, we know what he's like and we're still actively trying to get him to play for us. That, to me, makes it much worse.

Other than the Ferdinand incident I don't remember any other racist incidents involving Terry though.

Personally, that's enough. But I think there was also an incident involving Ledley King.

Being a footballer, you are idolised by millions of people and paid millions of pounds, living a life that most of us could only dream of. Is it too much to ask you go your whole career without saying anything racist? Is our expectancy of public figures so low that even that is considered too much to ask?!
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: saunders_heroes on June 24, 2017, 11:27:31 PM
How do you know he hasn't changed? Do you believe someone should be punished for their misdemeanours for ever?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: boozey182 on June 24, 2017, 11:29:39 PM
How do you know he hasn't changed? Do you believe someone should be punished for their misdemeanours for ever?
No. Just for the record, I don't want him punished. But I don't believe my club should make someone that has been guilty of that one of their highest paid players. Sorry if that wasn't clear.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Damo70 on June 24, 2017, 11:31:07 PM
How do you know he hasn't changed? Do you believe someone should be punished for their misdemeanours for ever?


Yes. It is God's will. Otherwise the Small Heath fans wouldn't have gone through everything they have over the years. ;)
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: saunders_heroes on June 24, 2017, 11:36:16 PM
How do you know he hasn't changed? Do you believe someone should be punished for their misdemeanours for ever?
No. Just for the record, I don't want him punished. But I don't believe my club should make someone that has been guilty of that one of their highest paid players. Sorry if that wasn't clear.

Well he was found guilty by the FA but not guilty by a court of law which suggests the racist thing isn't as clear cut as people are making out.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: boozey182 on June 24, 2017, 11:45:05 PM
How do you know he hasn't changed? Do you believe someone should be punished for their misdemeanours for ever?
No. Just for the record, I don't want him punished. But I don't believe my club should make someone that has been guilty of that one of their highest paid players. Sorry if that wasn't clear.

Well he was found guilty by the FA but not guilty by a court of law which suggests the racist thing isn't as clear cut as people are making out.

That's true, it's not quite clean cut. Someone sent me the link below, the verdict from the trial in full, the other day. It's probably best people read that and draw their own conclusions. Personally, he comes across as someone I don't want at my club, but as I keep saying, that's just my personal opinion that I don't expect everyone to share.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/chelsea/9398132/John-Terry-found-not-guilty-of-racism-the-verdict-in-full.html

Apologies for the long link.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 24, 2017, 11:45:23 PM
If 2nd division Aston Villa signed one of the best forwards in the world, I think you'd be telling prokies if you weren't excited to see him score goals and also eat an apple through a tennis racket.

I, for one, am shocked that right wing Tory-voting members of this forum have a laissez-faire attitude towards racism.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Damo70 on June 24, 2017, 11:45:38 PM
How do you know he hasn't changed? Do you believe someone should be punished for their misdemeanours for ever?
No. Just for the record, I don't want him punished. But I don't believe my club should make someone that has been guilty of that one of their highest paid players. Sorry if that wasn't clear.

Well he was found guilty by the FA but not guilty by a court of law which suggests the racist thing isn't as clear cut as people are making out.



I took an employment law course once and if you want to discipline or sack somebody you don't need anywhere near the evidence as in a court of law. There was actually a percentage of certainty which was satisfactory for the former and a far bigger percentage for the latter.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: saunders_heroes on June 24, 2017, 11:52:07 PM
If 2nd division Aston Villa signed one of the best forwards in the world, I think you'd be telling prokies if you weren't excited to see him score goals and also eat an apple through a tennis racket.

I, for one, am shocked that right wing Tory-voting members of this forum have a laissez-faire attitude towards racism.


Oh come on he's hardly a rabble rouser like Tommy Robinson uploading racist rants onto YouTube now is he, he's a footballer who said an alledged racist insult in the heat of the moment in a PL football match. A bit of perspective eh?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: ozzjim on June 24, 2017, 11:55:10 PM
How do you know he hasn't changed? Do you believe someone should be punished for their misdemeanours for ever?
No. Just for the record, I don't want him punished. But I don't believe my club should make someone that has been guilty of that one of their highest paid players. Sorry if that wasn't clear.

Well he was found guilty by the FA but not guilty by a court of law which suggests the racist thing isn't as clear cut as people are making out.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/chelsea/9398132/John-Terry-found-not-guilty-of-racism-the-verdict-in-full.html

He maintained he said it because he was accused of it.... not the most convincing defence. I don't think he can be defended on it.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: ozzjim on June 24, 2017, 11:56:44 PM
If 2nd division Aston Villa signed one of the best forwards in the world, I think you'd be telling prokies if you weren't excited to see him score goals and also eat an apple through a tennis racket.

I, for one, am shocked that right wing Tory-voting members of this forum have a laissez-faire attitude towards racism.


Oh come on he's hardly a rabble rouser like Tommy Robinson uploading racist rants onto YouTube now is he, he's a footballer who said an alledged racist insult in the heat of the moment in a PL football match. A bit of perspective eh?

Alleged?? I am not having that. He admitted to saying it.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 24, 2017, 11:58:01 PM
I never associated him with that sort of nonsense and I never would. We disagree on politics but I don't consider him a Nazi, FFS.

Like I don't consider most of the Conservative Party to be Nazis.

It goes without saying, though, that they have a high tolerance for racism.

Good luck though to Pickaninnie Ads and his watermelon smile.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: saunders_heroes on June 24, 2017, 11:58:52 PM
How do you know he hasn't changed? Do you believe someone should be punished for their misdemeanours for ever?
No. Just for the record, I don't want him punished. But I don't believe my club should make someone that has been guilty of that one of their highest paid players. Sorry if that wasn't clear.

Well he was found guilty by the FA but not guilty by a court of law which suggests the racist thing isn't as clear cut as people are making out.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/chelsea/9398132/John-Terry-found-not-guilty-of-racism-the-verdict-in-full.html

He maintained he said it because he was accused of it.... not the most convincing defence. I don't think he can be defended on it.

Found not guilty though. Even if he did say it it's hardly the worst case of racism we've ever seen. Things are said in the heat of the moment that aren't meant. If he was as bad as many on here are making out then surely his black team mates have kicked up a fuss and refused to play with him, but nothing like that happened at all.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: saunders_heroes on June 24, 2017, 11:59:47 PM
If 2nd division Aston Villa signed one of the best forwards in the world, I think you'd be telling prokies if you weren't excited to see him score goals and also eat an apple through a tennis racket.

I, for one, am shocked that right wing Tory-voting members of this forum have a laissez-faire attitude towards racism.


Oh come on he's hardly a rabble rouser like Tommy Robinson uploading racist rants onto YouTube now is he, he's a footballer who said an alledged racist insult in the heat of the moment in a PL football match. A bit of perspective eh?

Alleged?? I am not having that. He admitted to saying it.

From what I've read in the past he admitted saying it but not in the context he was accused of by Ferdinand.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: saunders_heroes on June 25, 2017, 12:01:31 AM
I never associated him with that sort of nonsense and I never would. We disagree on politics but I don't consider him a Nazi, FFS.

Like I don't consider most of the Conservative Party to be Nazis.

It goes without saying, though, that they have a high tolerance for racism.

Good luck though to Pickaninnie Ads and his watermelon smile.

Sorry, I was on about Terry. You'll never find me sticking up for Ads. ;-)
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: ozzjim on June 25, 2017, 12:04:38 AM
How do you know he hasn't changed? Do you believe someone should be punished for their misdemeanours for ever?
No. Just for the record, I don't want him punished. But I don't believe my club should make someone that has been guilty of that one of their highest paid players. Sorry if that wasn't clear.

Well he was found guilty by the FA but not guilty by a court of law which suggests the racist thing isn't as clear cut as people are making out.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/chelsea/9398132/John-Terry-found-not-guilty-of-racism-the-verdict-in-full.html

He maintained he said it because he was accused of it.... not the most convincing defence. I don't think he can be defended on it.

Found not guilty though. Even if he did say it it's hardly the worst case of racism we've ever seen. Things are said in the heat of the moment that aren't meant. If he was as bad as many on here are making out then surely his black team mates have kicked up a fuss and refused to play with him, but nothing like that happened at all.

If someone said it to my daughter, who is indeed black, I would consider them a nasty racist arsehole for the rest of their days, as I would be very suspicious of those who decide that "fucking black c***" is hardly the worst case of racism we have seen. Have a fucking word with yourself.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 25, 2017, 12:04:43 AM
I prefer Ads to Terry.

I'm fairly certain that Ads has never called any of his colleagues a fucking black c***.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 25, 2017, 12:05:42 AM
I'm amazed that we still have fans standing up for this shit.

Shame on you.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: django on June 25, 2017, 12:11:09 AM
Yeah, he called him a 'black c***' but not in a racist way. Amazingly in 2017 people think that's ok.
In case you think I'm just a pant wetting liberal, it's considered bad enough that Phil jones has been picked ahead of him for England. Phil jones.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: saunders_heroes on June 25, 2017, 12:12:00 AM
I'm amazed that we still have fans standing up for this shit.

Shame on you.

Bollocks to you. I'm not standing up for racists, but unlike you I don't write people off for the rest of their lives because of a racist comment. It's possible for people to redeem themselves you know.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: ozzjim on June 25, 2017, 12:13:53 AM
I'm amazed that we still have fans standing up for this shit.

Shame on you.

Bollocks to you. I'm not standing up for racists, but unlike you I don't write people off for the rest of their lives because of a racist comment. It's possible for people to redeem themselves you know.

You are though SH. You are trying to claim its not that bad what was said, and even tried the "alleged" route to make it seem he may not have said it at all. He did. Bollocks to you mate. You are a long way on the wrong side of this.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 25, 2017, 12:18:38 AM
If people are fine with him coming, that's their choice. I'm obviously not fine with it but won't insult etc those with a different view. Maybe both sides could and should try and do that?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: saunders_heroes on June 25, 2017, 12:18:56 AM
I'm amazed that we still have fans standing up for this shit.

Shame on you.

Bollocks to you. I'm not standing up for racists, but unlike you I don't write people off for the rest of their lives because of a racist comment. It's possible for people to redeem themselves you know.

You are though SH. You are trying to claim its not that bad what was said, and even tried the "alleged" route to make it seem he may not have said it at all. He did. Bollocks to you mate. You are a long way on the wrong side of this.

No im not, I'm saying that someone shouldn't be punished for the rest of their life because of one alledged racist comment which he was found not guilty of in a court.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 25, 2017, 12:20:24 AM
I'm amazed that we still have fans standing up for this shit.

Shame on you.

Bollocks to you. I'm not standing up for racists, but unlike you I don't write people off for the rest of their lives because of a racist comment. It's possible for people to redeem themselves you know.

Bollocks to you, you massive racist apologist.

Feel free to point me in the direction of all the times that Benito Terry tried to redeen hinseld by seeing the error of his ways and apologising.

You're pathetically blinded by your need to see him here and unwilling to consider the feelings of those of us that hate racism.

Your tolerance of racism reflects badly on you.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: saunders_heroes on June 25, 2017, 12:20:52 AM
If people are fine with him coming, that's their choice. I'm obviously not fine with it but won't insult etc those with a different view. Maybe both sides could and should try and do that?

I took offence because he claimed I should be ashamed of myself for giving the benefit of the doubt to a footballer we're probably about to sign.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: saunders_heroes on June 25, 2017, 12:21:10 AM
I'm amazed that we still have fans standing up for this shit.

Shame on you.

Bollocks to you. I'm not standing up for racists, but unlike you I don't write people off for the rest of their lives because of a racist comment. It's possible for people to redeem themselves you know.

Bollocks to you, you massive racist apologist.

Feel free to point me in the direction of all the times that Benito Terry tried to redeen hinseld by seeing the error of his ways and apologising.

You're pathetically blinded by your need to see him here and unwilling to consider the feelings of those of us that hate racism.

Your tolerance of racism reflects badly on you.

Jesus wept.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 25, 2017, 12:23:06 AM
How about taking a deep breath and calling it a night on this thread folks? I'd much prefer that option than having to ban anyone over John sodding Terry.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: saunders_heroes on June 25, 2017, 12:24:09 AM
Benito Terry. Ha!
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 25, 2017, 12:24:34 AM
I'm amazed that we still have fans standing up for this shit.

Shame on you.

Bollocks to you. I'm not standing up for racists, but unlike you I don't write people off for the rest of their lives because of a racist comment. It's possible for people to redeem themselves you know.

Bollocks to you, you massive racist apologist.

Feel free to point me in the direction of all the times that Benito Terry tried to redeen hinseld by seeing the error of his ways and apologising.

You're pathetically blinded by your need to see him here and unwilling to consider the feelings of those of us that hate racism.

Your tolerance of racism reflects badly on you.

Jesus wept.

I'll just assume that means you don't have a response that reflects well on you, you racist apologist.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: boozey182 on June 25, 2017, 12:25:13 AM
I'm amazed that we still have fans standing up for this shit.

Shame on you.

Bollocks to you. I'm not standing up for racists, but unlike you I don't write people off for the rest of their lives because of a racist comment. It's possible for people to redeem themselves you know.

You are though SH. You are trying to claim its not that bad what was said, and even tried the "alleged" route to make it seem he may not have said it at all. He did. Bollocks to you mate. You are a long way on the wrong side of this.

No im not, I'm saying that someone shouldn't be punished for the rest of their life because of one alledged racist comment which he was found not guilty of in a court.

I think there is a massive difference between people not wanting a multi millionaire to get a lucrative contract at the club they love and someone being punished for the rest of their lives. John Terry served his ban for what he did. It doesn't mean I want him representing Aston Villa though. I like to think we're better than him.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: ozzjim on June 25, 2017, 12:25:44 AM
I'm amazed that we still have fans standing up for this shit.

Shame on you.

Bollocks to you. I'm not standing up for racists, but unlike you I don't write people off for the rest of their lives because of a racist comment. It's possible for people to redeem themselves you know.

You are though SH. You are trying to claim its not that bad what was said, and even tried the "alleged" route to make it seem he may not have said it at all. He did. Bollocks to you mate. You are a long way on the wrong side of this.

No im not, I'm saying that someone shouldn't be punished for the rest of their life because of one alledged racist comment which he was found not guilty of in a court.

He admitted he said it. Context is alleged.

You are finding reasons to diminish what was said. And are rightly being called out on it.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: boozey182 on June 25, 2017, 12:27:00 AM
Sorry, just seen the post about calling it a night.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 25, 2017, 12:28:29 AM
Debate about him all everyone likes, leave the insults at each other out though. You've all been here long enough to know how that will end, and we'd much prefer if it didn't.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: saunders_heroes on June 25, 2017, 12:29:30 AM
I'm amazed that we still have fans standing up for this shit.

Shame on you.

Bollocks to you. I'm not standing up for racists, but unlike you I don't write people off for the rest of their lives because of a racist comment. It's possible for people to redeem themselves you know.

You are though SH. You are trying to claim its not that bad what was said, and even tried the "alleged" route to make it seem he may not have said it at all. He did. Bollocks to you mate. You are a long way on the wrong side of this.

No im not, I'm saying that someone shouldn't be punished for the rest of their life because of one alledged racist comment which he was found not guilty of in a court.

He admitted he said it. Context is alleged.

You are finding reasons to diminish what was said. And are rightly being called out on it.

Didn't he say he repeated what Ferdinand thought he said to him? Not as clear cut as being made out on here is it? Perhaps that's why he was found not guilty in court?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 25, 2017, 12:30:08 AM
Still waiting for someone to point me in the direction of the time Terry apologised for being racist and learned the error of his ways.

If he didn't apologise... it's possible, just possible, that he wasn't sorry and harbours genuinely racist views.

I'm sure Saunders Heroes will be along any second now to refute such accusations with intellectual discourse such as "Jesus wept, I have no idea what the fuck I'm taking about".
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: saunders_heroes on June 25, 2017, 12:31:20 AM
Well he denied he was racist, so if he denies he's racist then he's hardly gonna apologise for being racist is he?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: KevinGage on June 25, 2017, 12:31:23 AM
It's not great, having to wade through a court ruling of that nature to decide if a prospective signing is quite bad or very bad, is it?

If this was a Leeds> Cantona scenario when they took a punt on a head-the-ball at the top of his game, that's one thing.  But we're sifting through all this for a broken down, beaten up John Terry.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 25, 2017, 12:33:07 AM
Well he denied he was racist, so if he denies he's racist then he's hardly gonna apologise for being racist is he?

Fucking Hell mate.

You seem to be a bit thick so I'll keep it simple for you.

When did he apologise for calling a fellow professional "a fucking black c***"?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: saunders_heroes on June 25, 2017, 12:33:41 AM
It's not great, having to wade through a court ruling of that nature to decide if a prospective signing is quite bad or very bad, is it?

If this was a Leeds> Cantona scenario when they took a punt on a head-the-ball at the top of his game, that's one thing.  But we're sifting through all this for a broken down, beaten up John Terry.

True, but this is Villa in 2017 and we're not PL anymore. He'd probably improve the team as well.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 25, 2017, 12:34:34 AM
Well he denied he was racist, so if he denies he's racist then he's hardly gonna apologise for being racist is he?

Fucking Hell mate.

You seem to be a bit thick so I'll keep it simple for you.

When did he apologise for calling a fellow professional "a fucking black c***"?

We won't ask again, knock off the insults.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: saunders_heroes on June 25, 2017, 12:35:06 AM
Well he denied he was racist, so if he denies he's racist then he's hardly gonna apologise for being racist is he?

Fucking Hell mate.

You seem to be a bit thick so I'll keep it simple for you.

When did he apologise for calling a fellow professional "a fucking black c***"?

But as I said earlier he claimed he just repeated what Ferdinand thought Terry said to him. He denied it, so he's hardly gonna apologise is he? Crikey!
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 25, 2017, 12:36:22 AM
He denied it, because he's a racist. He's on camera saying "fucking black c***".

Bantz?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: saunders_heroes on June 25, 2017, 12:38:33 AM
He denied it, because he's a racist. He's on camera saying "fucking black c***".

Bantz?

If it was as clear cut as you're suggesting then why was he cleared in court?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 25, 2017, 12:39:32 AM
Well he denied he was racist, so if he denies he's racist then he's hardly gonna apologise for being racist is he?

Fucking Hell mate.

You seem to be a bit thick so I'll keep it simple for you.

When did he apologise for calling a fellow professional "a fucking black c***"?

We won't ask again, knock off the insults.

I'd rather you moderated the racists than those of us that oppose a racist.

But... I consider you a friend. And I don't want to put you in the awkward position of having to ban me so I'll carry this on another time.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: ozzjim on June 25, 2017, 12:40:01 AM
Read the ruling through. He was not guilty due to a well constructed defence (not the first time clear guilt does not get prosecuted after a defence team work their magic), not because the judge considered him not guilty, and he called Terry's defence improbable. You are clutching at straws and I find your entire stance on this as pretty dire in all honesty. To essentially turn a blind eye to something because he would improve the team is not something I really want Villa to do to me. It is for them down the road. Not us.

On a football side, he play 400 minutes last season and engineered his own send off after 26 minutes in the final game, which bookies reported to having take a flurry of large bets on in the run up to the game.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: saunders_heroes on June 25, 2017, 12:40:12 AM
Well he denied he was racist, so if he denies he's racist then he's hardly gonna apologise for being racist is he?

Fucking Hell mate.

You seem to be a bit thick so I'll keep it simple for you.

When did he apologise for calling a fellow professional "a fucking black c***"?

We won't ask again, knock off the insults.

I'd rather you moderated the racists than those of us that oppose a racist.

But... I consider you a friend. And I don't want to put you in the awkward position of having to ban me so I'll carry this on another time.

I'm not racist!
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Clampy on June 25, 2017, 12:40:48 AM
He denied it, because he's a racist. He's on camera saying "fucking black c***".

Bantz?

We know your views on this and you've done the right thing in emailing the club and letting them know how you feel. Why not leave it at that?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 25, 2017, 12:43:00 AM
I've already said I'm leaving it for the night, in the interests of peace.

Chillax, blood.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: saunders_heroes on June 25, 2017, 12:47:01 AM
Read the ruling through. He was not guilty due to a well constructed defence (not the first time clear guilt does not get prosecuted after a defence team work their magic), not because the judge considered him not guilty, and he called Terry's defence improbable. You are clutching at straws and I find your entire stance on this as pretty dire in all honesty. To essentially turn a blind eye to something because he would improve the team is not something I really want Villa to do to me. It is for them down the road. Not us.

On a football side, he play 400 minutes last season and engineered his own send off after 26 minutes in the final game, which bookies reported to having take a flurry of large bets on in the run up to the game.

I've got to admit I've never liked Terry but he was one hell of a centreback and even at his age he could still bring something positive to the team. As for the racist insult, even if he was found guilty I'd still give him a second chance. I don't think you can punish someone for the rest of their lives. Redemption is possible for anyone.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: paul_e on June 25, 2017, 12:51:02 AM
Well he denied he was racist, so if he denies he's racist then he's hardly gonna apologise for being racist is he?

Fucking Hell mate.

You seem to be a bit thick so I'll keep it simple for you.

When did he apologise for calling a fellow professional "a fucking black c***"?

But as I said earlier he claimed he just repeated what Ferdinand thought Terry said to him. He denied it, so he's hardly gonna apologise is he? Crikey!

Put yourself in the situation for a second, if you're accused of something and there's indisputable evidence showing you did it but with enough missing context to avoid a conviction, do you deny it outright or do you say "I'm sorry, it was a misunderstanding that got out of hand and I'd like it to be clear that... blah, blah, blah".  The truth is a decent person with any sense of morality would do the latter, a pampered twat who thinks his ability to kick a ball makes him untouchable does the former.

I've said before my issue with him is that I think his legs have gone and it's a Pires level mistake to sign him but I think trying to defend what he said in the way 2-3 people have on this thread is bizarre, the guy is quite clearly a massive c**t, if you think he's good enough and willing to overlook him being a c**t then just say that, it's a position you can defend without it looking bad on you unlike some of the arguments on this thread.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: saunders_heroes on June 25, 2017, 12:55:50 AM
Well he denied he was racist, so if he denies he's racist then he's hardly gonna apologise for being racist is he?

Fucking Hell mate.

You seem to be a bit thick so I'll keep it simple for you.

When did he apologise for calling a fellow professional "a fucking black c***"?

But as I said earlier he claimed he just repeated what Ferdinand thought Terry said to him. He denied it, so he's hardly gonna apologise is he? Crikey!

Put yourself in the situation for a second, if you're accused of something and there's indisputable evidence showing you did it but with enough missing context to avoid a conviction, do you deny it outright or do you say "I'm sorry, it was a misunderstanding that got out of hand and I'd like it to be clear that... blah, blah, blah".  The truth is a decent person with any sense of morality would do the latter, a pampered twat who thinks his ability to kick a ball makes him untouchable does the former.

I've said before my issue with him is that I think his legs have gone and it's a Pires level mistake to sign him but I think trying to defend what he said in the way 2-3 people have on this thread is bizarre, the guy is quite clearly a massive c**t, if you think he's good enough and willing to overlook him being a c**t then just say that, it's a position you can defend without it looking bad on you unlike some of the arguments on this thread.

I think I just summed up my feelings re Terry in my previous post.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: tomd2103 on June 25, 2017, 12:56:40 AM
This still just doesn't feel right on a number of levels.  On the playing side, it is still a very expensive gamble on him still having enough left in the tank for at least one more season of Championship football.  I still view it as a risk not worth taking.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: saunders_heroes on June 25, 2017, 12:57:25 AM
This still just doesn't feel right on a number of levels.  On the playing side, it is still a very expensive gamble on him still having enough left in the tank for at least one more season of Championship football.  I still view it as a risk not worth taking.

I just think he'd bring a winning mentality to the team.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Ads on June 25, 2017, 12:57:33 AM
I never associated him with that sort of nonsense and I never would. We disagree on politics but I don't consider him a Nazi, FFS.

Like I don't consider most of the Conservative Party to be Nazis.

It goes without saying, though, that they have a high tolerance for racism.

Good luck though to Pickaninnie Ads and his watermelon smile.

SHQ made the point about people who have done far worse; drink driving and violently abusing women. I know of two Villa players who've done that. Somebody else mentioned personal experience because they've had a child.

My family suffered at the hands of a drink driver with the most awful of outcomes. I still went berserk in Vienna when wee Barry scored. I'd go nuts if (indulging the hypothetical fantasy) Suarez came to score his 100s of goals.

I'm not tolerating racism nor am I tolerating drink driving or offences against the person or pegging or any of the brief glimpses of good and bad we get at these people. People change, maybe they stay the same. Either way, I don't know or suffer any of them and I'd hope if they were to transgress in their employment, for whatever reason then appropriate action would be taken.

I'm sure you were joking about the rest and if not oh well, people can think what they like.

I think John Terry is a dick, but sometimes dicks fuck assholes and if they didn't, they'd shit over all of us. Fuck yeah.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: tomd2103 on June 25, 2017, 01:14:04 AM
This still just doesn't feel right on a number of levels.  On the playing side, it is still a very expensive gamble on him still having enough left in the tank for at least one more season of Championship football.  I still view it as a risk not worth taking.

I just think he'd bring a winning mentality to the team.

He wouldn't if he breaks down after a couple of matches and is out for months on end.  Pay as you play kind of deal then it might be a different story on the football front.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: tomd2103 on June 25, 2017, 01:25:57 AM
I never associated him with that sort of nonsense and I never would. We disagree on politics but I don't consider him a Nazi, FFS.

Like I don't consider most of the Conservative Party to be Nazis.

It goes without saying, though, that they have a high tolerance for racism.

Good luck though to Pickaninnie Ads and his watermelon smile.

SHQ made the point about people who have done far worse; drink driving and violently abusing women. I know of two Villa players who've done that. Somebody else mentioned personal experience because they've had a child.

My family suffered at the hands of a drink driver with the most awful of outcomes. I still went berserk in Vienna when wee Barry scored. I'd go nuts if (indulging the hypothetical fantasy) Suarez came to score his 100s of goals.

I'm not tolerating racism nor am I tolerating drink driving or offences against the person or pegging or any of the brief glimpses of good and bad we get at these people. People change, maybe they stay the same. Either way, I don't know or suffer any of them and I'd hope if they were to transgress in their employment, for whatever reason then appropriate action would be taken.

I'm sure you were joking about the rest and if not oh well, people can think what they like.

I think John Terry is a dick, but sometimes dicks fuck assholes and if they didn't, they'd shit over all of us. Fuck yeah.

I think there are two different questions involved in this type of situation though Ads.  Look at the case of Luke McCormack at Plymouth - got drunk at a wedding, drove home in a fit of rage following an argument with his partner and forced another vehicle off the road killing two young children and causing life changing injuries to their father.  Went to prison for it, but was young enough to resume a playing career on release.

In that situation, I think there are two questions:

A) should he have been able to resume his playing career?
B) would you want him playing for your team?

People would have different answers for those questions I guess.  Some would answer no to both, some might answer yes to the first one and no to the second and some might answer yes to both. 
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 25, 2017, 01:32:09 AM
I know of Worcester City fans that won't go to games while Lee Hughes is with them, a few hundred turn at Bromsgrove every other week to still watch them. People do what they believe is right. As it should be.

I should add that some boycott Worcester because of the situation the club is in rather than because of Hughes.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 25, 2017, 01:49:49 AM
Speaking of Worcester, kind of amuses me. For those that don't know they now groundshare with Bromsgrove, and have been relegated a few divisions and are now in the same league as us. For the 'away' game at Worcester, Bromsgrove fans will pay more to enter their own ground than they do for home games. Bromsgrove charge £7, Worcester £8.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: robbo1874 on June 25, 2017, 06:04:17 AM
How do you know he hasn't changed? Do you believe someone should be punished for their misdemeanours for ever?
No. Just for the record, I don't want him punished. But I don't believe my club should make someone that has been guilty of that one of their highest paid players. Sorry if that wasn't clear.

Well he was found guilty by the FA but not guilty by a court of law which suggests the racist thing isn't as clear cut as people are making out.
that may be true, I still found him guilty of being a massive c*** in my own personal court of law though.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Damo70 on June 25, 2017, 09:07:44 AM
I never associated him with that sort of nonsense and I never would. We disagree on politics but I don't consider him a Nazi, FFS.

Like I don't consider most of the Conservative Party to be Nazis.

It goes without saying, though, that they have a high tolerance for racism.

Good luck though to Pickaninnie Ads and his watermelon smile.

SHQ made the point about people who have done far worse; drink driving and violently abusing women. I know of two Villa players who've done that. Somebody else mentioned personal experience because they've had a child.

My family suffered at the hands of a drink driver with the most awful of outcomes. I still went berserk in Vienna when wee Barry scored. I'd go nuts if (indulging the hypothetical fantasy) Suarez came to score his 100s of goals.

I'm not tolerating racism nor am I tolerating drink driving or offences against the person or pegging or any of the brief glimpses of good and bad we get at these people. People change, maybe they stay the same. Either way, I don't know or suffer any of them and I'd hope if they were to transgress in their employment, for whatever reason then appropriate action would be taken.

I'm sure you were joking about the rest and if not oh well, people can think what they like.

I think John Terry is a dick, but sometimes dicks fuck assholes and if they didn't, they'd shit over all of us. Fuck yeah.

I think there are two different questions involved in this type of situation though Ads.  Look at the case of Luke McCormack at Plymouth - got drunk at a wedding, drove home in a fit of rage following an argument with his partner and forced another vehicle off the road killing two young children and causing life changing injuries to their father.  Went to prison for it, but was young enough to resume a playing career on release.

In that situation, I think there are two questions:

A) should he have been able to resume his playing career?
B) would you want him playing for your team?

People would have different answers for those questions I guess.  Some would answer no to both, some might answer yes to the first one and no to the second and some might answer yes to both.




I used to have occasional business dealings with someone who knew Luke McCormack. He said he was a broken man and he didn't think he would ever get over the guilt.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: eamonn on June 25, 2017, 10:56:00 AM
I think John Terry is a dick, but sometimes dicks fuck assholes and if they didn't, they'd shit over all of us. Fuck yeah.

Eeeew, that's gross!
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Villatillidie1982 on June 25, 2017, 11:29:41 AM
John Terry is now slow and past it. Why would Villa want him unless he can encourage the rest of the team to up their game? Given his history can he earn therespect of the other players? Probably not.

It's a lot of money that could be better spent elsewhere,
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: KevinGage on June 25, 2017, 11:51:30 AM
We're already the biggest scalp in this division, but imagine the appeal for a young and up and coming forward (or any two bit forward, for that matter) to run the ex England captain ragged and make a name for yourself.  Like having a duke out with a named boxer when his career is on the wane.

Terry's at the stage of his career where even a Cameron Jerome or that big shithouse at B-lose with the blue hair will cause him bother.

All transfers carry risk. But this one has more potential downsides than up.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: lovejoy on June 25, 2017, 12:24:54 PM
Have we learnt nothing from the Joyleon Lescott saga?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: SteveN on June 25, 2017, 12:37:55 PM
I'd like to think we are a stalking horse and he will end up at Swansea, WBA or somewhere similiar in the premiership.  I can but hope.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on June 25, 2017, 01:15:52 PM
Have we learnt nothing from the Joyleon Lescott saga?

It would appear not

I dont think he will come then you wonder if we will end up with samba
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Damo70 on June 25, 2017, 01:30:12 PM
Have we learnt nothing from the Joyleon Lescott saga?

It would appear not

I dont think he will come then you wonder if we will end up with samba


Thanks for that depressing thought. I know he is a big bloke bit I'm sure the last I saw of him he was carrying a bit too much timber.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: ozzjim on June 25, 2017, 01:40:10 PM
Could end up with both. That would be a scary thought. 
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Three Spires Villa on June 25, 2017, 07:47:49 PM
Could end up with both. That would be a scary thought. 

The mind of Steve Bruce !!
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: brian green on June 25, 2017, 07:54:52 PM
Stuff of nightmares.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: LeeB on June 25, 2017, 07:58:33 PM
Stuff of nightmares.

I'm not jumping for joy, but in a world where Gove, Johnson and Fox hold senior cabinet positions, and country has become an omnishambles, Terry playing centre half for Villa is a long way back in the nightmare queue.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: ozzjim on June 25, 2017, 08:30:53 PM
Alongside Samba? With a couple of nippy forwards in the opposition 11??
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on June 25, 2017, 09:14:02 PM
It's just as well we have a solid amount of season ticket holders who have no choice but to attempt to be supportive, regardless of form, weather or bastards playing for us.

Let's face it we've brought some arseholes we all still keep going. It's that or go up the asda with the Mrs
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Richard E on June 25, 2017, 09:17:40 PM
It's just as well we have a solid amount of season ticket holders who have no choice but to attempt to be supportive, regardless of form, weather or bastards playing for us.

Let's face it we've brought some arseholes we all still keep going. It's that or go up the asda with the Mrs

Nobody is taking my missus up the asda on a Saturday afternoon, thank you very much.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: AV5nobs on June 25, 2017, 09:19:42 PM
I would rather Steve Hodge, Alpay and lescott be in our line up that do any form of shopping on a Saturday.

Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on June 25, 2017, 09:29:18 PM
34 pages in 4 days.With the debate as bitter as any Doug Ellis or Celtic/Rangers thread on H & V, it shows the truest words were said back on page 1.

Even if he doesn't split the dressing room, he's already splitting the fan base.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: AV5nobs on June 25, 2017, 09:34:28 PM
The comments do not reflect the votes that's for sure.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: adrenachrome on June 25, 2017, 09:49:51 PM
It's just as well we have a solid amount of season ticket holders who have no choice but to attempt to be supportive, regardless of form, weather or bastards playing for us.

Let's face it we've brought some arseholes we all still keep going. It's that or go up the asda with the Mrs

Nobody is taking my missus up the asda on a Saturday afternoon, thank you very much.

That would be a cause for concern to be sure, but he takes her up the Aldi the situation is considerably worse.

I won't even mention taking her up the John Lewis, as this is a family friendly forum.

If the culprit takes her up the waitrose then retribution is required.

 
 
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: brian green on June 25, 2017, 10:02:36 PM
Did you hear the true story about Waitrose?  They ran a customer competition to complete a slogan. "I shop at Waitrose because...."

The winning entry was "...because my butler is on holiday."

Meanwhile back to Mr Terry.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Tayls_7 on June 25, 2017, 10:03:35 PM
It's just as well we have a solid amount of season ticket holders who have no choice but to attempt to be supportive, regardless of form, weather or bastards playing for us.

Let's face it we've brought some arseholes we all still keep going. It's that or go up the asda with the Mrs

Nobody is taking my missus up the asda on a Saturday afternoon, thank you very much.

That would be a cause for concern to be sure, but he takes her up the Aldi the situation is considerably worse.

I won't even mention taking her up the John Lewis, as this is a family friendly forum.

If the culprit takes her up the waitrose then retribution is required.

Do we still have Pound Stretchers?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: paul_e on June 25, 2017, 10:04:36 PM
The comments do not reflect the votes that's for sure.

Really?  I think over half saying they don't want him, less than a 3rd saying he'd be a good signing and the rest sitting on the fence is pretty much exactly how I'd read the comments.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: AV5nobs on June 25, 2017, 10:13:44 PM
The comments do not reflect the votes that's for sure.

Really?  I think over half saying they don't want him, less than a 3rd saying he'd be a good signing and the rest sitting on the fence is pretty much exactly how I'd read the comments.

Are you really claiming 0.7% as "over"?  Clutching much?

Just under half are not against him arriving is another way to spin it...but back to my point, the comments of anti JT joining us have been way more than 50% of the voters.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 25, 2017, 10:16:14 PM
The 20% that don't care probably won't be saying muc as, well, they don't care. So the 50% against will probably have more posts than the 30% in favour, as there's more of them.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Richard E on June 25, 2017, 10:16:35 PM
The comments do not reflect the votes that's for sure.

Really?  I think over half saying they don't want him, less than a 3rd saying he'd be a good signing and the rest sitting on the fence is pretty much exactly how I'd read the comments.

Are you really claiming 0.7% as "over"?  Clutching much?

Just under half are not against him arriving is another way to spin it...but back to my point, the comments of anti JT joining us have been way more than 50% of the voters.
50.5% is over half. That's just a fact. 50.000000000001% would be over half.

Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: AV5nobs on June 25, 2017, 10:17:36 PM
There certainly are more of them.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: AV5nobs on June 25, 2017, 10:18:50 PM
The comments do not reflect the votes that's for sure.

Really?  I think over half saying they don't want him, less than a 3rd saying he'd be a good signing and the rest sitting on the fence is pretty much exactly how I'd read the comments.

Are you really claiming 0.7% as "over"?  Clutching much?

Just under half are not against him arriving is another way to spin it...but back to my point, the comments of anti JT joining us have been way more than 50% of the voters.
50.5% is over half. That's just a fact. 50.000000000001% would be over half.

I think you have missed the point on this one.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: yammers on June 25, 2017, 10:26:22 PM
It's just as well we have a solid amount of season ticket holders who have no choice but to attempt to be supportive, regardless of form, weather or bastards playing for us.

Let's face it we've brought some arseholes we all still keep going. It's that or go up the asda with the Mrs

Nobody is taking my missus up the asda on a Saturday afternoon, thank you very much.

That would be a cause for concern to be sure, but he takes her up the Aldi the situation is considerably worse.

I won't even mention taking her up the John Lewis, as this is a family friendly forum.

If the culprit takes her up the waitrose then retribution is required.

Do we still have Pound Stretchers?

Think it's Poundland now!
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: TheMalandro on June 25, 2017, 10:37:00 PM
The comments do not reflect the votes that's for sure.

Really?  I think over half saying they don't want him, less than a 3rd saying he'd be a good signing and the rest sitting on the fence is pretty much exactly how I'd read the comments.

Are you really claiming 0.7% as "over"?  Clutching much?

Just under half are not against him arriving is another way to spin it...but back to my point, the comments of anti JT joining us have been way more than 50% of the voters.
50.5% is over half. That's just a fact. 50.000000000001% would be over half.

I think you have missed the point on this one.

What time is it? I'm feeling so tired.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: paul_e on June 25, 2017, 10:41:44 PM
The comments do not reflect the votes that's for sure.

Really?  I think over half saying they don't want him, less than a 3rd saying he'd be a good signing and the rest sitting on the fence is pretty much exactly how I'd read the comments.

Are you really claiming 0.7% as "over"?  Clutching much?

Just under half are not against him arriving is another way to spin it...but back to my point, the comments of anti JT joining us have been way more than 50% of the voters.
50.5% is over half. That's just a fact. 50.000000000001% would be over half.

I think you have missed the point on this one.

No, you've missed the point, over half is a fact, about 1 in 5 not really caring is another fact.

After that you're trying to suggest that the number of posts should reflect that but that's overly simplistic.  Even people that have said yes are often "he's a twat but he's good", that's not a passionate endorsement, whereas many of the people who don't want him think he's an absolute arsehole who should never be anywhere near the club.  The difference in strength of opinion there is why the posts are skewed.  If you look at it in terms of posters it's, as I say, exactly as you'd expect.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: AV5nobs on June 25, 2017, 10:43:59 PM
Anyway, he's on the way so the poll and comments are now academic.

Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 25, 2017, 11:04:45 PM
I'm so unbothered by this.

That worries me about Villa these days. The degree to which I just shrug my shoulders about the stuff we do and don't get too worked up about it.






obviously, I appreciate this is one of those tedious OMG!!11!!! I just don't care anymore!!! posts.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 25, 2017, 11:06:43 PM
Anyway, he's on the way so the poll and comments are now academic.
Where, ?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: trevor fisher on June 25, 2017, 11:08:11 PM
I would love to hear Bruce say why this is a good move. At 36 and £60k per week I cannot see it is a good addition to the playing staff, nor to having a good influence on the academy. He brings too much baggage. But the dressing room at Villa has a bad reputation, too many players underperform. THe one think Terry has is the will to win.

Dwight Yorke recently said that the players need to 'stand up' and its fair comment. The dressing room looks to be in a state where there are no leaders and no serious commitment to dig in and grind out results. Dwight thought the Championship was 'very easy'. He was a very talented player, not many have his skill. But he always put a shift in, and that seems to be what is missing. Terry does that, for all his faults. If Bruce thinks he can make the work rate go up, I can see the argument.

But Terry does bring baggage, Bruce should explain why when the contract divides the fans he thinks it so important,
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: LeeB on June 25, 2017, 11:08:46 PM
I'm so unbothered by this.

That worries me about Villa these days. The degree to which I just shrug my shoulders about the stuff we do and don't get too worked up about it.






obviously, I appreciate this is one of those tedious OMG!!11!!! I just don't care anymore!!! posts.

U ok Hun? xx
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: olaftab on June 25, 2017, 11:14:44 PM
It's just as well we have a solid amount of season ticket holders who have no choice but to attempt to be supportive, regardless of form, weather or bastards playing for us.

Let's face it we've brought some arseholes we all still keep going. It's that or go up the asda with the Mrs

Nobody is taking my missus up the asda on a Saturday afternoon, thank you very much.
Richard I think that is the new back of Rackhams🤔
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: OCD on June 25, 2017, 11:21:18 PM
I'm so unbothered by this.

That worries me about Villa these days. The degree to which I just shrug my shoulders about the stuff we do and don't get too worked up about it.






obviously, I appreciate this is one of those tedious OMG!!11!!! I just don't care anymore!!! posts.

After a number of painful years I think most of us have developed this mindset as a defence mechanism. It would be nice to see a good few years and then see if everyone's up in arms at the first controversial decision.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: saunders_heroes on June 25, 2017, 11:33:52 PM
Anyway, he's on the way so the poll and comments are now academic.



Christ it's been dragged out long enough now.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: AV5nobs on June 25, 2017, 11:39:44 PM
Correct.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: brentastonb6 on June 25, 2017, 11:46:00 PM
How many supporters didn't want McLeish as manager in a poll ? Whilst those that don't want him clearly don't with a passion only 292 have bothered to vote , hardly the stuff of mass protest. All Villains I speak to don't like John Terry the person but a lot think he could be just the dose a medicine we need because love him or loathe him he's a winner on the football pitch and we need some winning mentality.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: ozzjim on June 25, 2017, 11:49:42 PM
He played very little last season because he was a liability. He is slow, can't turn and not the player he was 2 years ago let alone 4. Baker will look a better bet 6 weeks in, and we will have to go 3 at the back to accommodate him. His passing ability is the only upside. As for this leadership stuff, fine being Mr Chelsea from 17, but coming into a new dressing room I think he will find it a struggle.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: AV5nobs on June 26, 2017, 08:19:48 AM
Anyway, he's on the way so the poll and comments are now academic.
Where, ?

Somewhere very lucrative and over half the fans Won't be welcoming, 50.7% to be exact.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 26, 2017, 08:29:36 AM
I'm glad you've finally grasped the concept of "over half".
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: AV5nobs on June 26, 2017, 08:49:14 AM
I'm glad you've finally grasped the concept of "over half".

And I see you still haven't grasped the concept of irony.

Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 26, 2017, 09:15:00 AM
Ermmm... was it irony in the first seven posts you made whinging that 50.7% was over half?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Jon Crofts on June 26, 2017, 09:50:21 AM
We seem to have reached can't be arsed levels of Joleon Lescott proportions, years and years of utter fucking dross, meaningless soundbites, shunammites, snakes, bongs, hippy crack, relegation, going again & again and this is the next chapter, a sort of relentless grey November drizzle rather than a bright new dawn under Steve & Tony.  Fucks sake, 2 steps forward and 3 steps back again.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: KevinGage on June 26, 2017, 10:26:59 AM
That's it for me too. 

There aren't many upsides to relegation, but one of them should be that it forces you to change your ways. 

Yet Xia looks like he has received the Bumper Book of Club Management from Lerner at Christmas and is following it to the letter.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Chris Smith on June 26, 2017, 11:34:20 AM
Ermmm... was it irony in the first seven posts you made whinging that 50.7% was over half?

I realise that this is a side issue but the numbers are pretty much irrelevant aren't they, with it being such a small sample of the overall supporter base? I am not sure you can extrapolate anything either way to how that relates more widely.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 26, 2017, 11:44:31 AM
Yes, agree with that entirely. I wasn't the one getting into a strop about them, I just joined in, because I was bored.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: paul_e on June 26, 2017, 11:59:45 AM
Ermmm... was it irony in the first seven posts you made whinging that 50.7% was over half?

I realise that this is a side issue but the numbers are pretty much irrelevant aren't they, with it being such a small sample of the overall supporter base? I am not sure you can extrapolate anything either way to how that relates more widely.

but that's not what happened, he said the poll and the comments didn't match up and then suggested I was wrong for saying 50.7% is over half.  All the stuff about sample sizes doesn't matter because that's not what was being discussed.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: AV5nobs on June 26, 2017, 12:04:21 PM
It's 50% now, that's exactly half right?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: RussellC on June 26, 2017, 12:05:24 PM
Yet Xia looks like he has received the Bumper Book of Club Management from Lerner at Christmas and is following it to the letter.

Hugely unfair, IMO. Whatever you think about Xia and his methods, comparing them to those used by his predecessor are way, way wide of the mark. Whatever Xia is, Lerner Mark II is definitely not it.

Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Ad@m on June 26, 2017, 12:05:36 PM
Dwight Yorke recently said that the players need to 'stand up' and its fair comment. The dressing room looks to be in a state where there are no leaders and no serious commitment to dig in and grind out results.

I really don't think that's the issue.  Last season we signed Palace's captain, Forest's captain, Fulham's captain and Barnsley's captain.  And none of them managed to displace our own captain.

The issue is much more the mentality of a manager who seems to want to win every game 1-0.  This is something signing a liability like John Terry won't fix.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: KevinGage on June 26, 2017, 12:28:39 PM
Yet Xia looks like he has received the Bumper Book of Club Management from Lerner at Christmas and is following it to the letter.

Hugely unfair, IMO. Whatever you think about Xia and his methods, comparing them to those used by his predecessor are way, way wide of the mark. Whatever Xia is, Lerner Mark II is definitely not it.



He looks like he is on the Lerner fast-track to me. 

Spunk a shedload of money up front?  Check.  Appoint an uninspiring dullard as a manager? Check.   Do a complete volte face when the implications of FFP hit home and talk about sell to buy?  Check.  Start bringing in broken down 'name' footballers to appease some of the more gullible elements of the fanbase on fat contracts?  Check.

This is a bloke who talked about making Aston Villa one of the top three football clubs in world football little over 12 months ago, let's not forget. I don't see how any of the above would move us into the top 50.

Still, nice twitter fonts.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: AV5nobs on June 26, 2017, 12:39:58 PM
Bring back Doug, top four finishes, league cup triumphs, European tours, full houses.

Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: RussellC on June 26, 2017, 12:42:42 PM
Yet Xia looks like he has received the Bumper Book of Club Management from Lerner at Christmas and is following it to the letter.

Hugely unfair, IMO. Whatever you think about Xia and his methods, comparing them to those used by his predecessor are way, way wide of the mark. Whatever Xia is, Lerner Mark II is definitely not it.



He looks like he is on the Lerner fast-track to me. 

Spunk a shedload of money up front?  Check.  Appoint an uninspiring dullard as a manager? Check.   Do a complete volte face when the implications of FFP hit home and talk about sell to buy?  Check.  Start bringing in broken down 'name' footballers to appease some of the more gullible elements of the fanbase on fat contracts?  Check.

This is a bloke who talked about making Aston Villa one of the top three football clubs in world football little over 12 months ago, let's not forget. I don't see how any of the above would move us into the top 50.

Still, nice twitter fonts.

Isn't he just following a logical approach to get promotion? Out-spend your rivals and appoint a Manager with a successful track-record of getting Promotion? We have to sell-to-buy now a) because of FFP and b) because out squad is far too big as it stands. That's in no way similar to Lerner pulling the plug on squad-funding when he decided he wanted to cut his losses.

Lerner's biggest faults as an Owner were being too loyal to failing managers and not communicating with the Supporters. AS I said, if you want to criticise Xia for any of the above crack-on, but comparing him to Lerner is just not fair.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Clampy on June 26, 2017, 12:47:04 PM
Yet Xia looks like he has received the Bumper Book of Club Management from Lerner at Christmas and is following it to the letter.

Hugely unfair, IMO. Whatever you think about Xia and his methods, comparing them to those used by his predecessor are way, way wide of the mark. Whatever Xia is, Lerner Mark II is definitely not it.



He looks like he is on the Lerner fast-track to me. 

Spunk a shedload of money up front?  Check.  Appoint an uninspiring dullard as a manager? Check.   Do a complete volte face when the implications of FFP hit home and talk about sell to buy?  Check.  Start bringing in broken down 'name' footballers to appease some of the more gullible elements of the fanbase on fat contracts?  Check.

This is a bloke who talked about making Aston Villa one of the top three football clubs in world football little over 12 months ago, let's not forget. I don't see how any of the above would move us into the top 50.

Still, nice twitter fonts.

Blimey, and pre-season hasn't even started yet. Unbelievable.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: paul_e on June 26, 2017, 01:20:07 PM
Yet Xia looks like he has received the Bumper Book of Club Management from Lerner at Christmas and is following it to the letter.

Hugely unfair, IMO. Whatever you think about Xia and his methods, comparing them to those used by his predecessor are way, way wide of the mark. Whatever Xia is, Lerner Mark II is definitely not it.



He looks like he is on the Lerner fast-track to me. 

Spunk a shedload of money up front?  Check.  Appoint an uninspiring dullard as a manager? Check.   Do a complete volte face when the implications of FFP hit home and talk about sell to buy?  Check.  Start bringing in broken down 'name' footballers to appease some of the more gullible elements of the fanbase on fat contracts?  Check.

This is a bloke who talked about making Aston Villa one of the top three football clubs in world football little over 12 months ago, let's not forget. I don't see how any of the above would move us into the top 50.

Still, nice twitter fonts.

Isn't he just following a logical approach to get promotion? Out-spend your rivals and appoint a Manager with a successful track-record of getting Promotion? We have to sell-to-buy now a) because of FFP and b) because out squad is far too big as it stands. That's in no way similar to Lerner pulling the plug on squad-funding when he decided he wanted to cut his losses.

Lerner's biggest faults as an Owner were being too loyal to failing managers and not communicating with the Supporters. AS I said, if you want to criticise Xia for any of the above crack-on, but comparing him to Lerner is just not fair.

Like a manager who was brought in to get promotion and finished bottom half?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: RussellC on June 26, 2017, 01:59:08 PM
Like a manager who was brought in to get promotion and finished bottom half?

And would you expect Bruce to last beyond Xmas if automatic promotion isn't looking likely at that stage?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: paul_e on June 26, 2017, 02:10:44 PM
Like a manager who was brought in to get promotion and finished bottom half?

And would you expect Bruce to last beyond Xmas if automatic promotion isn't looking likely at that stage?

Of course not, but that'll be a bit too late won't it, we had people making the excuse for him that 10 games in made promotion impossible, half a season in with form like we've shown under him so far as we're stuck down here for another year.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: RussellC on June 26, 2017, 02:13:18 PM
Like a manager who was brought in to get promotion and finished bottom half?

And would you expect Bruce to last beyond Xmas if automatic promotion isn't looking likely at that stage?

Of course not, but that'll be a bit too late won't it, we had people making the excuse for him that 10 games in made promotion impossible, half a season in with form like we've shown under him so far as we're stuck down here for another year.

So you're advocating sacking him now?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: boozey182 on June 26, 2017, 02:18:00 PM
There must be more to this than meets the eye, I just really can't fathom it. It just doesn't seem to make sense no matter which angle you look at it. Taking away my personal feelings for the man, our biggest failing over the last few years has been too many big personalities, on too high a wage, that spend too long being injured, at the wrong end of their career, and dramatically reducing the speed at which we can play.

I appreciate that there may be some players at the club that will look up to him and the trophies he's had his picture next to, and that he will be a 'leader' in the sense that he doesn't give up etc. But is that really worth what we're offering him? Is this really the best use of our resources?

Not to mention the fact that if we get off to a bad start, the atmosphere will turn toxic to a level previously unseen down the Villa. Sort of like when John Terry was carried off injured, but much much worse. I don't understand why Bruce wants to put himself under that kind of pressure.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: paul_e on June 26, 2017, 02:56:04 PM
Like a manager who was brought in to get promotion and finished bottom half?

And would you expect Bruce to last beyond Xmas if automatic promotion isn't looking likely at that stage?

Of course not, but that'll be a bit too late won't it, we had people making the excuse for him that 10 games in made promotion impossible, half a season in with form like we've shown under him so far as we're stuck down here for another year.

So you're advocating sacking him now?

Nope, 6 weeks ago but it wasn't going to happen.  As I've said before my real worry is that new owner, in the championship and a first team full of players that the fans would've been happy to see fucked off was a perfect setup for us to change direction and put proper structures in place for the long term success of the club. The managers we've picked and the approach to the transfer market has been pulling in exactly the opposite direction and signings like Terry and Whelan are further evidence that no one at the club gives much of a fuck about doing the hard jobs.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: TheMalandro on June 26, 2017, 03:08:59 PM
There must be more to this than meets the eye, I just really can't fathom it. It just doesn't seem to make sense no matter which angle you look at it.

Perhaps Bruce thinks he has a lot to offer?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: RussellC on June 26, 2017, 03:10:01 PM
Nope, 6 weeks ago but it wasn't going to happen.  As I've said before my real worry is that new owner, in the championship and a first team full of players that the fans would've been happy to see fucked off was a perfect setup for us to change direction and put proper structures in place for the long term success of the club. The managers we've picked and the approach to the transfer market has been pulling in exactly the opposite direction and signings like Terry and Whelan are further evidence that no one at the club gives much of a fuck about doing the hard jobs.

But what about Bree? Bedeau? We're trying to sign Johnstone permanently by all accounts too? The likes of Terry and Whelan would be short-term fixes and there has to be a balance. We need a quick fix as much as we need a complete restructure.

From what I've seen, Xia, Wyness, etc recognise this and are trying to do that. I don't disagree that Bruce isn't a forward-thinking, long-term appointment but Managers that would have been were nowhere to be seen (without taking more of a gamble than Bruce was widely regarded to be) at the time.

Xia strikes me as being almost the complete opposite of Lerner. It's hard to argue that Bruce has performed anything other than poorly so far, and he'll know that his job's already under pressure.

People romanticise about Graham Taylor signing David Platt last time we were in the 2nd tier, but he also signed Chris Price and Derek Mountfield...
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: boozey182 on June 26, 2017, 03:13:25 PM
There must be more to this than meets the eye, I just really can't fathom it. It just doesn't seem to make sense no matter which angle you look at it.

Perhaps Bruce thinks he has a lot to offer?

I guess that must be the case, but I just can't quite see what it is.

I guess he's a centre back truly made out of the Bruce mould. To paraphrase a well known comedian; John Terry: The Steve Bruce of the Two-Girls-One-Cup generation.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Duncan Shaw on June 26, 2017, 03:36:56 PM
People romanticise about Graham Taylor signing David Platt last time we were in the 2nd tier, but he also signed Chris Price and Derek Mountfield...

And Steve Sims - he was his first signing and I remember thinking wtf at the time!!
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: itbrvilla on June 26, 2017, 04:15:10 PM
Nope, 6 weeks ago but it wasn't going to happen.  As I've said before my real worry is that new owner, in the championship and a first team full of players that the fans would've been happy to see fucked off was a perfect setup for us to change direction and put proper structures in place for the long term success of the club. The managers we've picked and the approach to the transfer market has been pulling in exactly the opposite direction and signings like Terry and Whelan are further evidence that no one at the club gives much of a fuck about doing the hard jobs.

But what about Bree? Bedeau? We're trying to sign Johnstone permanently by all accounts too? The likes of Terry and Whelan would be short-term fixes and there has to be a balance. We need a quick fix as much as we need a complete restructure.

From what I've seen, Xia, Wyness, etc recognise this and are trying to do that. I don't disagree that Bruce isn't a forward-thinking, long-term appointment but Managers that would have been were nowhere to be seen (without taking more of a gamble than Bruce was widely regarded to be) at the time.

Xia strikes me as being almost the complete opposite of Lerner. It's hard to argue that Bruce has performed anything other than poorly so far, and he'll know that his job's already under pressure.

People romanticise about Graham Taylor signing David Platt last time we were in the 2nd tier, but he also signed Chris Price and Derek Mountfield...
Nothing Wyness has done convinces me that he is forward thinking.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Ads on June 26, 2017, 05:11:52 PM
You don't think Round is a forward thinking appointment?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: ian c. on June 26, 2017, 05:14:20 PM
People romanticise about Graham Taylor signing David Platt last time we were in the 2nd tier, but he also signed Chris Price and Derek Mountfield...

And Steve Sims - he was his first signing and I remember thinking wtf at the time!!

Price and Mountfield were great for us.

I refuse to be drawn on the subject of Steve Sims.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: saunders_heroes on June 26, 2017, 05:48:40 PM
People romanticise about Graham Taylor signing David Platt last time we were in the 2nd tier, but he also signed Chris Price and Derek Mountfield...

And Steve Sims - he was his first signing and I remember thinking wtf at the time!!

Price and Mountfield were great for us.

I refuse to be drawn on the subject of Steve Sims.

Price and Mountfield were cracking players for us. Sims did a job. Taylor knew and trusted him well.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: eamonn on June 26, 2017, 05:49:24 PM
You don't think Round is a forward thinking appointment?

He talked a good game in that comms to fans last year. Not sure if much of it has borne fruit though.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: paul_e on June 26, 2017, 06:18:57 PM
Nope, 6 weeks ago but it wasn't going to happen.  As I've said before my real worry is that new owner, in the championship and a first team full of players that the fans would've been happy to see fucked off was a perfect setup for us to change direction and put proper structures in place for the long term success of the club. The managers we've picked and the approach to the transfer market has been pulling in exactly the opposite direction and signings like Terry and Whelan are further evidence that no one at the club gives much of a fuck about doing the hard jobs.

But what about Bree? Bedeau? We're trying to sign Johnstone permanently by all accounts too? The likes of Terry and Whelan would be short-term fixes and there has to be a balance. We need a quick fix as much as we need a complete restructure.

From what I've seen, Xia, Wyness, etc recognise this and are trying to do that. I don't disagree that Bruce isn't a forward-thinking, long-term appointment but Managers that would have been were nowhere to be seen (without taking more of a gamble than Bruce was widely regarded to be) at the time.

Xia strikes me as being almost the complete opposite of Lerner. It's hard to argue that Bruce has performed anything other than poorly so far, and he'll know that his job's already under pressure.

People romanticise about Graham Taylor signing David Platt last time we were in the 2nd tier, but he also signed Chris Price and Derek Mountfield...

I don't disagree, the point is that comparing Xia after 1 season to Lerner after 1 season I'd say it's fair to have some concerns because Xia hasn't shown any clear signs that he's changing the direction of the club, a lot of the signings and the choice of manager are exactly the same as we were doing before.

The odd thing here is that I don't actually have any issues with Xia, I'm far from convinced about Wyness and Round though.  Wyness had the same narrow field of view as Lerner, Fox and Faulkner when it came to finding a new manager and Round has done anything wrong but I've seen nothing to suggest any amazing change in our scouting process which leads to...

Specific to signings in January and again this summer I want to see some thought about them.  Whelan for example, is a guy in his mid 30s coming in to compete with another guy in his mid 30s.  I'd honestly rather see Lyden get game time.  With Terry my issue is that it's the same as signing Pires, we're signing the player he was not the player he is.


We can all see the same problems, we need some pace, we need options out wide, we need someone as backup to Jedinak who can step in as the main man next year, We need options at centre back who can give us 2-3 seasons whilst Suliman and Bedeau develop.  I want the club to see these problems and address them, not act like a fat kid in a sweet shop.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: brian green on June 26, 2017, 06:31:32 PM
Love that last sentence Paul, fattism apart.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: paul_e on June 26, 2017, 06:36:33 PM
Love that last sentence Paul, fattism apart.

I'm overweight myself so I'm claiming it as self-deprecating.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Dave on June 26, 2017, 06:53:35 PM
You don't think Round is a forward thinking appointment?

He talked a good game in that comms to fans last year. Not sure if much of it has borne fruit though.

It's one of those appointments that is impossible to judge until we see obvious success or obvious failure.

It was accepted pretty much universally at the time of his appointment that Tom Fox was exactly who we needed and not a moment too soon. He also seemed to say the right things based on the reports that came back. We'll probably know in about two seasons whether Round is a good appointment or not.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: OCD on June 26, 2017, 08:21:00 PM
Even if he proved not to be the right man, the creation of a role that looks to develop a scouting network and looks to set-up a blueprint of all the various age groups makes a lot of sense. The appointment was also made by a Chairman that has a lot of experience in football as opposed to Fox's appointment. We can only know with time but on the face of it there seems to be more going for this one than there has previously.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: itbrvilla on June 26, 2017, 08:28:31 PM
You don't think Round is a forward thinking appointment?

He talked a good game in that comms to fans last year. Not sure if much of it has borne fruit though.
I agree. Neither are performing. Blown a fortune on shite. No systems in place anywhere no team no scouting network. What else have they done?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Chris Smith on June 26, 2017, 08:46:10 PM
You don't think Round is a forward thinking appointment?

He talked a good game in that comms to fans last year. Not sure if much of it has borne fruit though.
I agree. Neither are performing. Blown a fortune on shite. No systems in place anywhere no team no scouting network. What else have they done?

How do you know there is no scouting network?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on June 26, 2017, 09:36:09 PM
Bring back Doug, top four finishes, league cup triumphs, European tours, full houses.



Rubbish. Ellis hasn't managed a 50 page thread on here for years. John Terry is going to smash through that in a couple of days at his first attempt.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Ads on June 26, 2017, 10:07:29 PM
You don't think Round is a forward thinking appointment?

He talked a good game in that comms to fans last year. Not sure if much of it has borne fruit though.
I agree. Neither are performing. Blown a fortune on shite. No systems in place anywhere no team no scouting network. What else have they done?

Round has blown a fortune?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: itbrvilla on June 26, 2017, 10:51:48 PM
You don't think Round is a forward thinking appointment?

He talked a good game in that comms to fans last year. Not sure if much of it has borne fruit though.
I agree. Neither are performing. Blown a fortune on shite. No systems in place anywhere no team no scouting network. What else have they done?

How do you know there is no scouting network?
You don't think Round is a forward thinking appointment?

He talked a good game in that comms to fans last year. Not sure if much of it has borne fruit though.
I agree. Neither are performing. Blown a fortune on shite. No systems in place anywhere no team no scouting network. What else have they done?

How do you know there is no scouting network?
If there is then fucking dreadful. Spent a fortune on utter crap that doesn't fit into the team. £80 odd million spent, bottom half, gambling the club's future. What has Wyness done?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Ads on June 26, 2017, 10:58:11 PM
Round only came in 1st September and I don't think anybody can criticise the January purchases with a straight face.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Clampy on June 26, 2017, 11:24:19 PM
You don't think Round is a forward thinking appointment?

He talked a good game in that comms to fans last year. Not sure if much of it has borne fruit though.
I agree. Neither are performing. Blown a fortune on shite. No systems in place anywhere no team no scouting network. What else have they done?

How do you know there is no scouting network?
You don't think Round is a forward thinking appointment?

He talked a good game in that comms to fans last year. Not sure if much of it has borne fruit though.
I agree. Neither are performing. Blown a fortune on shite. No systems in place anywhere no team no scouting network. What else have they done?

How do you know there is no scouting network?
If there is then fucking dreadful. Spent a fortune on utter crap that doesn't fit into the team. £80 odd million spent, bottom half, gambling the club's future. What has Wyness done?

Trying to put a club back together that was in a mess and a team that was shockingly awful on the pitch. It was never going to turn round overnight.

I'm stunned at the lack of patience and at how much misery some people wallow in.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Gareth on June 26, 2017, 11:31:44 PM
It's difficult to criticise Round & the scouting network he has overseen because the January signings the jury is still out on (Johnstone was a good pick, Taylor improved team, Hogan was crocked & rushed back, Lansbury was ok nothing more, Bree was for future, Bedeau is very much for u23's & Hourihane has thus far looked overawed).  The big transfer issue of the last year is that last summer we needed goal scorers and rather than look for a combination we spent 20m+ on 2 strikers based on the top scorer charts alone.  We really should not have needed to buy Hogan & id like to think with a proper network we wouldn't make that mistake again.

When we signed Hogan I was convinced the summer plan was to get max £'s for Kodjia & try and shift McCormack for whatever we can get then get in a target man for Hogan to play off - still wouldn't shock me if it happened.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 26, 2017, 11:33:08 PM
Trying to put a club back together that was in a mess and a team that was shockingly awful on the pitch. It was never going to turn round overnight.

I'm stunned at the lack of patience and at how much misery some people wallow in.

Surely the second line in your post is explained by the first?

It's awful, yes, and has been for years. I honestly am not even remotely surprised at the lack of patience people are showing. We've been utterly awful for six or seven years now.

I don't really see how anyone can be accused of impatience.

Don't get me wrong, I am not burning Bruce effigies or looking for a new manager or anything like that, I am just amazed anyone really blames anyone else for being short of patience.

We've just spent a fortune and finished in the bottom half of the Championship. When does it become OK to complain?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 26, 2017, 11:35:38 PM
It's difficult to criticise Round & the scouting network he has overseen because the January signings the jury is still out on (Johnstone was a good pick, Taylor improved team, Hogan was crocked & rushed back, Lansbury was ok nothing more, Bree was for future, Bedeau is very much for u23's & Hourihane has thus far looked overawed).  The big transfer issue of the last year is that last summer we needed goal scorers and rather than look for a combination we spent 20m+ on 2 strikers based on the top scorer charts alone.  We really should not have needed to buy Hogan & id like to think with a proper network we wouldn't make that mistake again.

When we signed Hogan I was convinced the summer plan was to get max £'s for Kodjia & try and shift McCormack for whatever we can get then get in a target man for Hogan to play off - still wouldn't shock me if it happened.

From the (limited) amount of times I saw him at Brentford, what Hogan needs isn't a target man, but a midfield behind him who will pass the ball to him in the opposition's half (from the opposition's half).
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 26, 2017, 11:37:41 PM
I presume Round will be heavily tasked with appointing a new manager as and when.

Could probably judge his competency from that...highly rated european coach....or the man he was assistant to at Everton and Man. United....David Moyes. He's also worked with McClaren a lot.

Sorry for giving you guys nightmares tonight!
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: OCD on June 26, 2017, 11:44:04 PM
It's difficult to criticise Round & the scouting network he has overseen because the January signings the jury is still out on (Johnstone was a good pick, Taylor improved team, Hogan was crocked & rushed back, Lansbury was ok nothing more, Bree was for future, Bedeau is very much for u23's & Hourihane has thus far looked overawed).  The big transfer issue of the last year is that last summer we needed goal scorers and rather than look for a combination we spent 20m+ on 2 strikers based on the top scorer charts alone.  We really should not have needed to buy Hogan & id like to think with a proper network we wouldn't make that mistake again.

When we signed Hogan I was convinced the summer plan was to get max £'s for Kodjia & try and shift McCormack for whatever we can get then get in a target man for Hogan to play off - still wouldn't shock me if it happened.

From the (limited) amount of times I saw him at Brentford, what Hogan needs isn't a target man, but a midfield behind him who will pass the ball to him in the opposition's half (from the opposition's half).

He likes through balls being threaded past the last defender doesn't he?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: OCD on June 26, 2017, 11:44:43 PM
I presume Round will be heavily tasked with appointing a new manager as and when.

Could probably judge his competency from that...highly rated european coach....or the man he was assistant to at Everton and Man. United....David Moyes. He's also worked with McClaren a lot.

Sorry for giving you guys nightmares tonight!

He's already done that by recommending Bruce.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 26, 2017, 11:45:08 PM
It's difficult to criticise Round & the scouting network he has overseen because the January signings the jury is still out on (Johnstone was a good pick, Taylor improved team, Hogan was crocked & rushed back, Lansbury was ok nothing more, Bree was for future, Bedeau is very much for u23's & Hourihane has thus far looked overawed).  The big transfer issue of the last year is that last summer we needed goal scorers and rather than look for a combination we spent 20m+ on 2 strikers based on the top scorer charts alone.  We really should not have needed to buy Hogan & id like to think with a proper network we wouldn't make that mistake again.

When we signed Hogan I was convinced the summer plan was to get max £'s for Kodjia & try and shift McCormack for whatever we can get then get in a target man for Hogan to play off - still wouldn't shock me if it happened.

From the (limited) amount of times I saw him at Brentford, what Hogan needs isn't a target man, but a midfield behind him who will pass the ball to him in the opposition's half (from the opposition's half).

He likes through balls being threaded past the last defender doesn't he?

Yes. I think we all would.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: tomd2103 on June 26, 2017, 11:57:51 PM
It's difficult to criticise Round & the scouting network he has overseen because the January signings the jury is still out on (Johnstone was a good pick, Taylor improved team, Hogan was crocked & rushed back, Lansbury was ok nothing more, Bree was for future, Bedeau is very much for u23's & Hourihane has thus far looked overawed).  The big transfer issue of the last year is that last summer we needed goal scorers and rather than look for a combination we spent 20m+ on 2 strikers based on the top scorer charts alone.  We really should not have needed to buy Hogan & id like to think with a proper network we wouldn't make that mistake again.

When we signed Hogan I was convinced the summer plan was to get max £'s for Kodjia & try and shift McCormack for whatever we can get then get in a target man for Hogan to play off - still wouldn't shock me if it happened.

From the (limited) amount of times I saw him at Brentford, what Hogan needs isn't a target man, but a midfield behind him who will pass the ball to him in the opposition's half (from the opposition's half).

Agree.  From what I have seen of him for us so far, he is very much the type of forward who plays on the shoulder of defenders and needs balls slipped through.  Probably would be ideal with a 'number 10' type player, playing just in behind him. 
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: OCD on June 27, 2017, 12:03:56 AM
If McCormack could get his act together I wonder if he and Hogan could be a good combination. If not, maybe Grealish? About time he stopped being a pretender and lived up to his potential.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: tomd2103 on June 27, 2017, 12:35:02 AM
If McCormack could get his act together I wonder if he and Hogan could be a good combination. If not, maybe Grealish? About time he stopped being a pretender and lived up to his potential.

Well, yes there's two options and Lansbury can also play that role as can Gil but it looks like he is on his way.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: olaftab on June 27, 2017, 12:42:32 AM
Round only came in 1st September and I don't think anybody can criticise the January purchases with a straight face.
The January signings were good and players signed were performing very well in the division and have real potential  however the way those players were used by Bruce is totally mystifying.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: paul_e on June 27, 2017, 12:45:58 AM
Trying to put a club back together that was in a mess and a team that was shockingly awful on the pitch. It was never going to turn round overnight.

I'm stunned at the lack of patience and at how much misery some people wallow in.

Surely the second line in your post is explained by the first?

It's awful, yes, and has been for years. I honestly am not even remotely surprised at the lack of patience people are showing. We've been utterly awful for six or seven years now.

I don't really see how anyone can be accused of impatience.

Don't get me wrong, I am not burning Bruce effigies or looking for a new manager or anything like that, I am just amazed anyone really blames anyone else for being short of patience.

We've just spent a fortune and finished in the bottom half of the Championship. When does it become OK to complain?

For me it isn't impatience, I'd happily wait for things to tick if i saw a plan to fix the underlying issues rather than paper over them.

Clampy says it was never going to turn around over night and i agree but it's also never going to turn around properly if we don't try and Bruce, Terry, Whelan, etc aren't a change of plan from Cole, Richardson, Lescott, McLeish, Lambert, etc.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: passitsideways on June 27, 2017, 12:52:09 AM
Round only came in 1st September and I don't think anybody can criticise the January purchases with a straight face.
The January signings were good and players signed were performing very well in the division and have real potential  however the way those players were used by Bruce is totally mystifying.

Yeah, I liked all of them, outside of being circumspect about Taylor (who's proven me wrong thus far), and Hogan (only on the grounds of money, as opposed to ability).

I think we have enough evidence now, going back years, to say that it's more to do with the club being unable to get the most out of the players it buys, on the whole, with only rare exceptions.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Mossie Hennebry on June 27, 2017, 01:41:09 AM
I like the way this thread has now morphed into a summer transfer thread. Merge, anyone? It should lighten the mood.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Clampy on June 27, 2017, 07:05:37 AM
Trying to put a club back together that was in a mess and a team that was shockingly awful on the pitch. It was never going to turn round overnight.

I'm stunned at the lack of patience and at how much misery some people wallow in.

Surely the second line in your post is explained by the first?

It's awful, yes, and has been for years. I honestly am not even remotely surprised at the lack of patience people are showing. We've been utterly awful for six or seven years now.

I don't really see how anyone can be accused of impatience.

Don't get me wrong, I am not burning Bruce effigies or looking for a new manager or anything like that, I am just amazed anyone really blames anyone else for being short of patience.

We've just spent a fortune and finished in the bottom half of the Championship. When does it become OK to complain?

I mean impatience when it comes to people starting to point the finger at the likes of Round and Wyness. They've only been here five minutes, they can hardly be blamed for the last 6 or 7 years but that's what they're trying to correct.  In some ways we've had to start from scratch.

I was hoping we'd get out of the division first time and I sure wasn't expecting us to finish as low as we did, but let's see what this season brings.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: old man villa fan on June 27, 2017, 08:05:51 AM
We can view impatience by our own view at the time we sacked RDM.  Were you for sacking or willing to give him more time.

Back to the Terry issue. I think it is an expensive gamble both money-wise and how it's dividing opinion. It's a very controversial gamble and one I do not think the Club had to make. It's not as if we are near the top of the PL and he was the final piece of the jigsaw.  If he fails, I would expect the manager to take responsibility for it.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: DB on June 27, 2017, 09:40:21 AM
Therefore, if he succeeds then the manager should take the credit?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: robbo1874 on June 27, 2017, 10:26:21 AM
Yes of course and the player. How is this realistically going to pan out though? Plus he's a c***, Terry, not Bruce. Car crash written all over it in my book - and I'm usually an optimist when it comes to Villa matters.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: robbo1874 on June 27, 2017, 10:35:35 AM
Look at the poll. Half don't want him and about 20% don't care. Only about 30% of supporters on here wanted us to actually sign Terry.

He'll get a chance, just like everyone else that signs for us, but I reckon come November he'll have either played about 3 games for us, or will be getting pelters.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: KevinGage on June 27, 2017, 10:56:09 AM
That's a poll on this particular site. 

I'm sure there was mention of a Meaning Evil poll that was overwhelmingly in favour of his signature. It could be just B-lose and Olbiyun fans acting the giddy goat, though.  Younger fans seem to be in favour too, from anecdotal evidence.  Whatever that's worth.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: boozey182 on June 27, 2017, 10:57:21 AM
Look at the poll. Half don't want him and about 20% don't care. Only about 30% of supporters on here wanted us to actually sign Terry.

He'll get a chance, just like everyone else that signs for us, but I reckon come November he'll have either played about 3 games for us, or will be getting pelters.

As others have said, it's such an unnecessary risk for Bruce to take. I don't think promotion will come down to whether or not we get Terry (and if Bruce does think this, I wonder who he's got lined up in case this falls through). So to bring in such a divisive character, who the fans have a long history with (although I'm sure we're not the only club that can boast that), who isn't guaranteed to play half the matches and who will be on one of the highest wages in an already worryingly big wage bill. And if it goes wrong, he'll be crucified for it. The people that are okay with holding their noses and getting behind Terry will just be looking for a excuse to let him have it. Bruce won't last until October unless we get off to an amazing start. (Which, to be fair, is possible in this league, with or without Terry).

Is he panicking? Is this his equivalent of RDM's 6 up front against Preston?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Cleybrooke on June 27, 2017, 11:07:58 AM
It's been claimed that Bruce has been quoted as saying that Villa are the most talented team and Hull the least talented team he has ever coached. On the other hand, Hull had the best team ethic and Villa the worst.

Question is, if you add John Terry into that mix, are you going to make the team better or worse. I really don't see it my self.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: boozey182 on June 27, 2017, 11:19:09 AM
It's been claimed that Bruce has been quoted as saying that Villa are the most talented team and Hull the least talented team he has ever coached. On the other hand, Hull had the best team ethic and Villa the worst.

Question is, if you add John Terry into that mix, are you going to make the team better or worse. I really don't see it my self.

I'm not entirely sure what falls under a manager's jurisdiction these days, but if the coaches do the coaching and Round lines up transfers, other than our incredibly sophisticated tactics that we see each week, what does Bruce do if not motivate the team? Would it be too much to ask that he tries to do this himself before we pay his mate 60k a week to do it, with the odd appearance thrown in every now and then?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: RussellC on June 27, 2017, 11:21:44 AM
The odd thing here is that I don't actually have any issues with Xia, I'm far from convinced about Wyness and Round though.  Wyness had the same narrow field of view as Lerner, Fox and Faulkner when it came to finding a new manager and Round has done anything wrong but I've seen nothing to suggest any amazing change in our scouting process which leads to...

Xia and Lerner took custodianship of the club under such different circumstances that's it's almost impossible to compare their 1st year performances.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: AVH87 on June 27, 2017, 11:49:08 AM
Lots of people seem to be assuming we'll only get a handful of games out of Terry because he only played a handful last season. Wasn't this down to not being good enough for the best team in the country, as opposed to being unfit?

I'm not expecting 46 games out of him if he starts, but 30-35 would be enough to justify his signing (based on football ability). I'd imagine him even at 36 being comfortably better than Baker or Elphick.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Drummond on June 27, 2017, 12:21:12 PM
John Terry will improve our squad. He knows how to organise, he wants to learn to coach so will be keen to pass on his experience. He's been there and done it. He's probably won more trophies than any player in our history has and he's done it this century.

He's an arsehole, but he'd be our arsehole.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: mr underhill on June 27, 2017, 12:23:33 PM
and  he's going to rip himself a new one
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: boozey182 on June 27, 2017, 12:35:10 PM
He's an arsehole, but he'd be our arsehole.

No thanks. Whoever he plays for next, he'll always be Chelsea's arsehole. And they're welcome to him. A better fit, I couldn't think of.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 27, 2017, 01:37:55 PM
I want promotion. It might not sit well in your stomach but Terry will help us get there. He'd be positive on and off the pitch and won't really care if fans don't like him initially. Footballers are generally pretty oblivious to that kind of thing anyway.

If he comes to us he'll have turned down better money elsewhere. He's an arrogant bastard so he won't want to end his career failing at anything so getting us up will only add to "brand" JT. That will be his motivation.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Dave on June 27, 2017, 02:22:18 PM
I want promotion. It might not sit well in your stomach but Terry will help us get there.

He might. He also might be a lumbering liability who costs us goals because his 37 year old legs can't catch up to Fulham or Brentford's latest 20 year old whippersnapper.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 27, 2017, 02:42:03 PM
I really don't get the certainty some people have that Terry will be good for us, let alone that he will "get us promotion".

He might, he might not. He's hardly played in 2017 so there is no way of proving it.

What is beyond doubt, is that he is a scumbag.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Three Spires Villa on June 27, 2017, 03:02:56 PM
I really don't get the certainty some people have that Terry will be good for us, let alone that he will "get us promotion".

He might, he might not. He's hardly played in 2017 so there is no way of proving it.

What is beyond doubt, is that he is a scumbag.

Well said Sir, well said
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Nev on June 27, 2017, 03:13:54 PM
I want promotion. It might not sit well in your stomach but Terry will help us get there. He'd be positive on and off the pitch and won't really care if fans don't like him initially. Footballers are generally pretty oblivious to that kind of thing anyway.

If he comes to us he'll have turned down better money elsewhere. He's an arrogant bastard so he won't want to end his career failing at anything so getting us up will only add to "brand" JT. That will be his motivation.

It won't make a any difference at all, any "failure" will just get forgotten about, like those "failures" involving 'Arry. In fact it will be turned back on us. Does anyone think any less of Keane, Wilkins, Pires et al?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: AV5nobs on June 27, 2017, 03:29:53 PM
Couldn't care less what the mother Theresa's think of him, if he helps us get back up I will be grateful.

Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 27, 2017, 03:36:49 PM
Couldn't care less what the mother Theresa's think of him, if he helps us get back up I will be grateful.

You have to be "Mother Theresa" to think calling someone a "fucking black c***" is unacceptable?

You seem to have a very high tolerance of racism.

I'm going to take a wild guess... Leave voter?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Rico on June 27, 2017, 03:37:37 PM
Just thought I'd share this with you. A acquaintance of mine who is a Chelsea fan raves about John Terry, and reckons that if we sign him we are certainties to win the league. Funny old game ain't it? I guess it's all about perceptions. I don't particularly want us to sign him simply because I think he's past it.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: DB on June 27, 2017, 03:37:50 PM
Would he improve on what we already have? If you agree he does then it makes sense if we want to get promoted.
I am totally neutral to this, he is divisive but get why people don't want him based on his reputation.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: AV5nobs on June 27, 2017, 03:55:11 PM
Can we get of our moral high horse just for a second, this is life, saying something in the heat  of the moment doesn't make someone a racist, however stupid, basic education will teach you that.

Stop trying to score points with the mods for a second and try and be objective from a footballing perspective.

And my voting status has nothing to do with it.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 27, 2017, 04:04:56 PM
I want promotion. It might not sit well in your stomach but Terry will help us get there.

He might. He also might be a lumbering liability who costs us goals because his 37 year old legs can't catch up to Fulham or Brentford's latest 20 year old whippersnapper.

To a degree isn't that the risk with anyone? We could buy a 20 year whippersnapper to keep up with the 20 year whippersnappers but there's no guarantee they would also then be good defenders. If we always lived by that rule Paul McGrath would never have become a legend in our colours.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 27, 2017, 04:05:04 PM
Ok. Objectively, it's insane for a second tier club to pay £60k per week to a 37 year-old racist.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 27, 2017, 04:10:48 PM
Can we get of our moral high horse just for a second, this is life, saying something in the heat  of the moment doesn't make someone a racist, however stupid, basic education will teach you that.

Stop trying to score points with the mods for a second and try and be objective from a footballing perspective.

And my voting status has nothing to do with it.

I'll take that as a "yes".
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: AV5nobs on June 27, 2017, 04:11:15 PM
Much better.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Dave on June 27, 2017, 04:13:33 PM
I want promotion. It might not sit well in your stomach but Terry will help us get there.

He might. He also might be a lumbering liability who costs us goals because his 37 year old legs can't catch up to Fulham or Brentford's latest 20 year old whippersnapper.

To a degree isn't that the risk with anyone? We could buy a 20 year whippersnapper to keep up with the 20 year whippersnappers but there's no guarantee they would also then be good defenders. If we always lived by that rule Paul McGrath would never have become a legend in our colours.

Yes. I've said many times that there is no player we could sign who carries no risk. It's just a case of what risk it poses balanced against the potential reward.

His pedigree would suggest that a 37 year John Terry is less of a risky signing than a 37 year old Paul Robinson.

But I'd personally say that a 32 year old Curtis Davies would carry a lower risk than a 37 year old John Terry.

As for your last point I would say that had we been discussing McGrath as a 37 year old potential signing rather than the 29 year old that he was, then he wouldn't have become a legend in our colours. Or probably even managed more than a dozen or so matches.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Ad@m on June 27, 2017, 04:16:24 PM
Can we get of our moral high horse just for a second, this is life, saying something in the heat  of the moment doesn't make someone a racist, however stupid, basic education will teach you that.

Sorry but I'm struggling with this.  Even if it's a "heat of the moment comment" to even consider using someone's race as an insult would suggest that you're in some way racist.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 27, 2017, 04:17:15 PM
I want promotion. It might not sit well in your stomach but Terry will help us get there.

He might. He also might be a lumbering liability who costs us goals because his 37 year old legs can't catch up to Fulham or Brentford's latest 20 year old whippersnapper.

To a degree isn't that the risk with anyone? We could buy a 20 year whippersnapper to keep up with the 20 year whippersnappers but there's no guarantee they would also then be good defenders. If we always lived by that rule Paul McGrath would never have become a legend in our colours.

McGrath was 29 when we signed him. Terry is 37, the same age McGrath was when he retired.

Genuinely can't think of the last good 37 year old outfield player we signed? Even assuming Terry is better than most of his age group, when was the last good outfield signing we made of a player 35 or over?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 27, 2017, 04:18:30 PM
Can we get of our moral high horse just for a second, this is life, saying something in the heat  of the moment doesn't make someone a racist, however stupid, basic education will teach you that.

Sorry but I'm struggling with this.  Even if it's a "heat of the moment comment" to even consider using someone's race as an insult would suggest that you're in some way racist.

You'll get nowhere. AV8rexit thinks anyone who opposes racism is trying to be Mother Theresa. He genuinely can't get it into his head how calling someone a "fucking black c***" is unacceptable.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on June 27, 2017, 04:21:04 PM
Can we get of our moral high horse just for a second, this is life, saying something in the heat  of the moment doesn't make someone a racist, however stupid, basic education will teach you that.

Sorry but I'm struggling with this.  Even if it's a "heat of the moment comment" to even consider using someone's race as an insult would suggest that you're in some way racist.

You could even say that using such words "in the heat of the moment", almost as a reflex action, suggests that they're never far from your thoughts or the tip of your tongue.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 27, 2017, 04:23:23 PM
Absolutely.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 27, 2017, 04:24:01 PM
I want promotion. It might not sit well in your stomach but Terry will help us get there.

He might. He also might be a lumbering liability who costs us goals because his 37 year old legs can't catch up to Fulham or Brentford's latest 20 year old whippersnapper.

To a degree isn't that the risk with anyone? We could buy a 20 year whippersnapper to keep up with the 20 year whippersnappers but there's no guarantee they would also then be good defenders. If we always lived by that rule Paul McGrath would never have become a legend in our colours.

McGrath was 29 when we signed him. Terry is 37, the same age McGrath was when he retired.

Genuinely can't think of the last good 37 year old outfield player we signed? Even assuming Terry is better than most of his age group, when was the last good outfield signing we made of a player 35 or over?

McGrath because of his significant knee issues and off the field problems was essentially tossed out by Man U. That he went on to become legendary was in large part down to how he was managed, and even then there were plenty of bumps along the way.

Look I don't for a second expect Terry to be close to anything McGrath was. And of course so much depends on fitness and motivation. But for one year, could he do it? For 5m in a sport for that money barely pays for average these days, I think it's worth the risk at Championship level. I wouldn't be at all for this if we were getting him as a PL club.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 27, 2017, 04:40:29 PM
I want promotion. It might not sit well in your stomach but Terry will help us get there.

He might. He also might be a lumbering liability who costs us goals because his 37 year old legs can't catch up to Fulham or Brentford's latest 20 year old whippersnapper.

To a degree isn't that the risk with anyone? We could buy a 20 year whippersnapper to keep up with the 20 year whippersnappers but there's no guarantee they would also then be good defenders. If we always lived by that rule Paul McGrath would never have become a legend in our colours.

McGrath was 29 when we signed him. Terry is 37, the same age McGrath was when he retired.

Genuinely can't think of the last good 37 year old outfield player we signed? Even assuming Terry is better than most of his age group, when was the last good outfield signing we made of a player 35 or over?

McGrath because of his significant knee issues and off the field problems was essentially tossed out by Man U. That he went on to become legendary was in large part down to how he was managed, and even then there were plenty of bumps along the way.

Look I don't for a second expect Terry to be close to anything McGrath was. And of course so much depends on fitness and motivation. But for one year, could he do it? For 5m in a sport for that money barely pays for average these days, I think it's worth the risk at Championship level. I wouldn't be at all for this if we were getting him as a PL club.

That's a reasonable attitude. But it differs from the certainty of your earlier one, contained in the first quote of this quote war 😉.

I might consider it a risk worth taking without the baggage. With that, and his age, I just cannot be arsed with this deal.

We have scouts, go recruit the next, non-scummy, version of John Terry.

The next Shaun Teale would do perfectly well.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Damo70 on June 27, 2017, 04:50:27 PM
Maybe handling Terry with care as we did with Paul McGrath will help him perform to his best. Although you wonder if we have anyone as wise as SGT and Jim Walker were.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 27, 2017, 04:56:51 PM
Or... we could just sign someone without age/injury worries for a fraction of the price, and concentrate on improving the areas where we were poor last year.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Ad@m on June 27, 2017, 05:23:13 PM
Or... we could just sign someone without age/injury worries for a fraction of the price, and concentrate on improving the areas where we were poor last year.

This is the bit for me.  I don't actually see the problem this signing would be fixing.  We conceded 48 goals last year - only four teams conceded fewer - so why the hell are we wasting our time looking at centre halves?

Chester's Premier League class.  Baker's perfectly adequate for the Championship as long as the midfield take the ball off him before he gives it away.  Elphick is adequate as a backup.  Is the youth team that bad that we don't have some cover coming through there?  What's happened to Toner?

SB should be focusing on how we score more goals.  Not being quite so eye-wateringly negative in his set up and tactics would be a start but the scouts should be helping him by finding some strikers who might actually fit in to his style of play, or a backup for Jedinak (if the Whelan deal isn't going to come through) so that Lansbury and Hourihane can push forward and do the job we signed them for.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: eamonn on June 27, 2017, 05:32:11 PM
*JT is 36 and a half. A bit of respect, age is sensitive, no need to try strengthen your point by making him appear older.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: PaulTheVillan on June 27, 2017, 05:36:09 PM
He'll sign, Bruce will be gone by October and JT will be the next manager. God help us.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 27, 2017, 05:43:08 PM
I want promotion. It might not sit well in your stomach but Terry will help us get there.

He might. He also might be a lumbering liability who costs us goals because his 37 year old legs can't catch up to Fulham or Brentford's latest 20 year old whippersnapper.

To a degree isn't that the risk with anyone? We could buy a 20 year whippersnapper to keep up with the 20 year whippersnappers but there's no guarantee they would also then be good defenders. If we always lived by that rule Paul McGrath would never have become a legend in our colours.

McGrath was 29 when we signed him. Terry is 37, the same age McGrath was when he retired.

Genuinely can't think of the last good 37 year old outfield player we signed? Even assuming Terry is better than most of his age group, when was the last good outfield signing we made of a player 35 or over?

McGrath because of his significant knee issues and off the field problems was essentially tossed out by Man U. That he went on to become legendary was in large part down to how he was managed, and even then there were plenty of bumps along the way.

Look I don't for a second expect Terry to be close to anything McGrath was. And of course so much depends on fitness and motivation. But for one year, could he do it? For 5m in a sport for that money barely pays for average these days, I think it's worth the risk at Championship level. I wouldn't be at all for this if we were getting him as a PL club.

That's a reasonable attitude. But it differs from the certainty of your earlier one, contained in the first quote of this quote war 😉.

I might consider it a risk worth taking without the baggage. With that, and his age, I just cannot be arsed with this deal.

We have scouts, go recruit the next, non-scummy, version of John Terry.

The next Shaun Teale would do perfectly well.

Now in my first quote of this string I said Terry would help us get promotion versus hurting us. I didn't offer a guarantee. But my overall position on this hasn't changed, if you look at my very first post on this subject. It won't just be about Terry it will be about the total package of our summer transfer window.

The truth is I'm tired of playing nice. I'll push my pride and values to the side for a season, get this cock in and pray he does what I hope he will do and provide the leadership to make a significant difference for us this season.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: ozzjim on June 27, 2017, 05:47:55 PM
I can't push my views out for this one. It's not like it is just the racism with him though, a bit financial irregularity, a bit of slipping in your best mates wife while he's not home, a bit of diving and play acting and then add in the ego, the determination to be the first on the pitch with the trophy and the general shitty attitude and it all points to avoiding him with a barge pole. Oh and he was fucking atrocious when fit last season.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 27, 2017, 05:58:49 PM
I want promotion. It might not sit well in your stomach but Terry will help us get there.

He might. He also might be a lumbering liability who costs us goals because his 37 year old legs can't catch up to Fulham or Brentford's latest 20 year old whippersnapper.

To a degree isn't that the risk with anyone? We could buy a 20 year whippersnapper to keep up with the 20 year whippersnappers but there's no guarantee they would also then be good defenders. If we always lived by that rule Paul McGrath would never have become a legend in our colours.

McGrath was 29 when we signed him. Terry is 37, the same age McGrath was when he retired.

Genuinely can't think of the last good 37 year old outfield player we signed? Even assuming Terry is better than most of his age group, when was the last good outfield signing we made of a player 35 or over?

McGrath because of his significant knee issues and off the field problems was essentially tossed out by Man U. That he went on to become legendary was in large part down to how he was managed, and even then there were plenty of bumps along the way.

Look I don't for a second expect Terry to be close to anything McGrath was. And of course so much depends on fitness and motivation. But for one year, could he do it? For 5m in a sport for that money barely pays for average these days, I think it's worth the risk at Championship level. I wouldn't be at all for this if we were getting him as a PL club.

That's a reasonable attitude. But it differs from the certainty of your earlier one, contained in the first quote of this quote war 😉.

I might consider it a risk worth taking without the baggage. With that, and his age, I just cannot be arsed with this deal.

We have scouts, go recruit the next, non-scummy, version of John Terry.

The next Shaun Teale would do perfectly well.

Now in my first quote of this string I said Terry would help us get promotion versus hurting us. I didn't offer a guarantee. But my overall position on this hasn't changed, if you look at my very first post on this subject. It won't just be about Terry it will be about the total package of our summer transfer window.

The truth is I'm tired of playing nice. I'll push my pride and values to the side for a season, get this cock in and pray he does what I hope he will do and provide the leadership to make a significant difference for us this season.

Your first quote suggests that "he will get us get [promoted]". There is no evidence for this. He might, he might not.

As for "playing nice", it's perfectly possible to sign players who have a mean streak on the pitch, without being utter scum off it.

Imagine a young black child growing up in Birmingham and not sure who to support. Imagine a black family that already attend Villa matches. Many will be unable to square supporting Villa with supporting a known racist. Even more so if, as you previously suggested, we decide to snub Chester (arguably our most consistent player last season) and make Terry captain.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: London Villan on June 27, 2017, 06:04:18 PM
At this rate he'll be at retirement age by the time he signs...
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: KevinGage on June 27, 2017, 06:28:48 PM
Or... we could just sign someone without age/injury worries for a fraction of the price, and concentrate on improving the areas where we were poor last year.

This is the bit for me.  I don't actually see the problem this signing would be fixing.  We conceded 48 goals last year - only four teams conceded fewer - so why the hell are we wasting our time looking at centre halves?

Chester's Premier League class.  Baker's perfectly adequate for the Championship as long as the midfield take the ball off him before he gives it away.  Elphick is adequate as a backup.  Is the youth team that bad that we don't have some cover coming through there?  What's happened to Toner?

SB should be focusing on how we score more goals.  Not being quite so eye-wateringly negative in his set up and tactics would be a start but the scouts should be helping him by finding some strikers who might actually fit in to his style of play, or a backup for Jedinak (if the Whelan deal isn't going to come through) so that Lansbury and Hourihane can push forward and do the job we signed them for.

Agree with most of that. 

Except Elphick and his reverse Midas touch should be stationed as far away from Villa Park as possible on match day.

Ulaanbaatar would be my preference.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on June 27, 2017, 06:35:14 PM
Or... we could just sign someone without age/injury worries for a fraction of the price, and concentrate on improving the areas where we were poor last year.

This is the bit for me.  I don't actually see the problem this signing would be fixing.  We conceded 48 goals last year - only four teams conceded fewer - so why the hell are we wasting our time looking at centre halves?

Chester's Premier League class.  Baker's perfectly adequate for the Championship as long as the midfield take the ball off him before he gives it away.  Elphick is adequate as a backup.  Is the youth team that bad that we don't have some cover coming through there?  What's happened to Toner?

SB should be focusing on how we score more goals.  Not being quite so eye-wateringly negative in his set up and tactics would be a start but the scouts should be helping him by finding some strikers who might actually fit in to his style of play, or a backup for Jedinak (if the Whelan deal isn't going to come through) so that Lansbury and Hourihane can push forward and do the job we signed them for.

This everyday for me ....sign some creativity and some strikers who can put the ball in the back of the net.

Lets worry about tightening the defence once we get promoted - right now its about outscoring the opposition and getting the fans onside ..... this whole Terry saga appears to be splitting the fan base. I agree we require some steel and leadership in the team however I am not convinced Terry is the right person to do this primarily because of his well documented indiscretions and over sized ego
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: brian green on June 27, 2017, 06:36:40 PM
Anywhere with five A's in it would do.  Aaabergaavenny or Aaloaaa would suit.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on June 27, 2017, 06:40:02 PM
Anywhere with five A's in it would do.  Aaabergaavenny or Aaloaaa would suit.
Aadvaarkia
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: saunders_heroes on June 27, 2017, 06:45:39 PM
According to the Mirror he'll be a Villa player by the weekend.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: brian green on June 27, 2017, 06:47:23 PM
Six days of self respect remaining.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: CJ on June 27, 2017, 06:49:51 PM
My last remaining hope is that it's the Mirror reporting it and they're usually wrong.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 27, 2017, 06:51:07 PM
Maybe he's only signing for us in an evil Mirror World.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on June 27, 2017, 06:53:17 PM
Lets hope Teresa May comes in with a late offer of £1b for him to join the Tories - they have a habit of having Chelsea Kit Wankers in the cabinet
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: brian green on June 27, 2017, 07:02:28 PM
I don't think the Tory to whom you allude actually wanked in his Chelsea strip.  I think you will find it was full coitus horribalis.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: brian green on June 27, 2017, 07:03:04 PM
Allegedly.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: saunders_heroes on June 27, 2017, 07:12:01 PM
I don't think the Tory to whom you allude actually wanked in his Chelsea strip.  I think you will find it was full coitus horribalis.

David Mellor? Although he's certainly a smarmy Tory knob, those stories about him shagging in his Chelsea kit were completely made up by Max Clifford.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on June 27, 2017, 07:13:20 PM
I don't think the Tory to whom you allude actually wanked in his Chelsea strip.  I think you will find it was full coitus horribalis.
Was it not spitis roastius ;)
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: brian green on June 27, 2017, 07:26:11 PM
If it was made up by Max Clifford it is a shame because it was the only interesting thing I thought David Mellor ever did.

It also appealed to my love of serendipity in great literature, Mellor almost being the name of the gardener who plaited wild flowers into Lady Chatterley's lower abdomen.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: saunders_heroes on June 27, 2017, 07:39:01 PM
If it was made up by Max Clifford it is a shame because it was the only interesting thing I thought David Mellor ever did.

It also appealed to my love of serendipity in great literature, Mellor almost being the name of the gardener who plaited wild flowers into Lady Chatterley's lower abdomen.

I'm still haunted by Mellor's "red hot soccer chat" tag line from 606 all those years ago. What were the BBC thinking!
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: LeeB on June 27, 2017, 07:39:01 PM
Lets hope Teresa May comes in with a late offer of £1b for him to join the Tories - they have a habit of having Chelsea Kit Wankers in the cabinet

They could bamboozle the EU with some red hot soccer chat.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Ads on June 27, 2017, 07:48:27 PM
1st July on Saturday (dafuq has happened to the year?) so he will be a free agent. 
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: OzVilla on June 27, 2017, 08:17:32 PM
If it was made up by Max Clifford it is a shame because it was the only interesting thing I thought David Mellor ever did.

It also appealed to my love of serendipity in great literature, Mellor almost being the name of the gardener who plaited wild flowers into Lady Chatterley's lower abdomen.

I'm still haunted by Mellor's "red hot soccer chat" tag line from 606 all those years ago. What were the BBC thinking!

"Hello footie nuts". They then compounded it further by employing DJ Spooney.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: saunders_heroes on June 27, 2017, 08:19:07 PM
If it was made up by Max Clifford it is a shame because it was the only interesting thing I thought David Mellor ever did.

It also appealed to my love of serendipity in great literature, Mellor almost being the name of the gardener who plaited wild flowers into Lady Chatterley's lower abdomen.

I'm still haunted by Mellor's "red hot soccer chat" tag line from 606 all those years ago. What were the BBC thinking!

"Hello footie nuts". They then compounded it further by employing DJ Spooney.

Oh god yeah, I forgot about that prat.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: yammers on June 27, 2017, 08:24:32 PM
Couldn't care less what the mother Theresa's think of him, if he helps us get back up I will be grateful.

You have to be "Mother Theresa" to think calling someone a "fucking black c***" is unacceptable?

You seem to have a very high tolerance of racism.

I'm going to take a wild guess... Leave voter?

Leave voter? So all leave voters are racist?! How arrogant and ignorant are you!!
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 27, 2017, 08:26:05 PM
No, they just tend to have a higher tolerance of racism. As evidenced by the pro-Leave press, which could generally be substituted for Der Sturmer.

Incidentally the number of fans voting in favour of signing Terry is almost exactly the same as the percentage who voted in favour of Leave on the "Should we stay or should we go" thread. If we deduce the "not bothered" votes it's 37.4% Terry vs 37.7% Leave. So drawing  the parallel is valid, at least among H&V posters.

Most Leave voters I've spoken to are a bit racist, if that helps?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: yammers on June 27, 2017, 08:32:08 PM
I voted to leave and I'm not in the bit racist, homophobic or anything else that you care to label a 'leave' voter!
I for one do not want Terry here either for the very reasons that you have pointed out throughout this thread but to make such flippant comments about how a person votes I find insulting.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: ozzjim on June 27, 2017, 08:33:48 PM
While there is no doubt complete lies about immigration was a major reason leave win, to label leave voters as racist en masse is OTT.

However excusing John Terry and taking the stance anything to win in my view excuses his behaviour.  As I have said, as a person that has seen racism and the effects, I can't excuse that for a few results in football that we would get without him anyway. It's a very sad day for the club to sign a player of his character.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: LeeB on June 27, 2017, 08:36:17 PM
I voted to leave and I'm not in the bit racist, homophobic or anything else that you care to label a 'leave' voter!
I for one do not want Terry here either for the very reasons that you have pointed out throughout this thread but to make such flippant comments about how a person votes I find insulting.

Somebody please think of the children
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Jim Bradley on June 27, 2017, 08:36:55 PM
It's happening. He lives round my way and just had confirmation via a neighbour
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 27, 2017, 08:40:24 PM
I don't think all Leave voters are racist, as I said. I think the majority are. Based on the ones I've met, and based on the fact that they sided with massively racist c***s like UKIP and Britain First in a vote which was more based around the issue of race than any in this country since that infamous Smethwick by-election in the sixties.

Still, Yammer. If you say you're anti-Terry and anti-racist, I'm happy to apologise to you. Sorry.

I still bear a grudge against Leave voters in general, though.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: LeeB on June 27, 2017, 08:40:32 PM
Whatever is thought of him, choosing to join us now is probably the least easiest option open to him. He's either brave or stupid, and quite probably both.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: brian green on June 27, 2017, 08:40:54 PM
Bang goes the Joe Coral opposite the Chelsea training ground.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: yammers on June 27, 2017, 08:45:58 PM
I don't think all Leave voters are racist, as I said. I think the majority are. Based on the ones I've met, and based on the fact that they sided with massively racist c***s like UKIP and Britain First in a vote which was more based around the issue of race than any in this country since that infamous Smethwick by-election in the sixties.

Still, Yammer. If you say you're anti-Terry and anti-racist, I'm happy to apologise to you. Sorry.

I still bear a grudge against Leave voters in general, though.

I am! Apology accepted, thank you.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: JUAN PABLO on June 27, 2017, 09:14:20 PM
JT  great signing .. Bring it on ...

lets hope richards and that boon bloke can do one.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: eamonn on June 27, 2017, 09:24:36 PM
Boon? What's it got to do with the Inspiral Carpets?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: AV5nobs on June 27, 2017, 09:33:21 PM
I don't think all Leave voters are racist, as I said. I think the majority are. Based on the ones I've met, and based on the fact that they sided with massively racist c***s like UKIP and Britain First in a vote which was more based around the issue of race than any in this country since that infamous Smethwick by-election in the sixties.

Still, Yammer. If you say you're anti-Terry and anti-racist, I'm happy to apologise to you. Sorry.

I still bear a grudge against Leave voters in general, though.

Any credibility you had, now gone.

What an incredible statement.

I have black and Asian friends, and in laws whom I love dearly, I voted out...and I have no ill feelings towards JT...which social bracket does that place me in?

Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 27, 2017, 09:34:38 PM
I've tried debating with you. You ask stupid questions, then disappear when called up on your bullshit.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: brentastonb6 on June 27, 2017, 09:38:51 PM
I don't think all Leave voters are racist, as I said. I think the majority are. Based on the ones I've met, and based on the fact that they sided with massively racist c***s like UKIP and Britain First in a vote which was more based around the issue of race than any in this country since that infamous Smethwick by-election in the sixties.

Still, Yammer. If you say you're anti-Terry and anti-racist, I'm happy to apologise to you. Sorry.

I still bear a grudge against Leave voters in general, though.

Any credibility you had, now gone.

What an incredible statement.

I have black and Asian friends, and in laws whom I love dearly, I voted out...and I have no ill feelings towards JT...which social bracket does that place me in?



Liberal open minded, able to make ones mind up around individual issues ?🤔
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Richard E on June 27, 2017, 09:41:01 PM
Boon? What's it got to do with the Inspiral Carpets?

I'd imagine that pretty soon you're gonna find out why.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Dave on June 27, 2017, 09:56:53 PM
I don't think all Leave voters are racist, as I said. I think the majority are. Based on the ones I've met, and based on the fact that they sided with massively racist c***s like UKIP and Britain First in a vote which was more based around the issue of race than any in this country since that infamous Smethwick by-election in the sixties.

Still, Yammer. If you say you're anti-Terry and anti-racist, I'm happy to apologise to you. Sorry.

I still bear a grudge against Leave voters in general, though.

Any credibility you had, now gone.

What an incredible statement.

I have black and Asian friends, and in laws whom I love dearly, I voted out...and I have no ill feelings towards JT...which social bracket does that place me in?

I appreciate that you weren't the one to start this particular line of discussion, but there is a perfectly decent (if depressing) thread in off-topic for this type of thing if people want to talk about it.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Nastylee on June 27, 2017, 10:02:53 PM
Trying to link politics to this was inflammatory and foolish. Maybe some leave voters suspect this country can't support an ever growing population, especially with severe cuts in public services.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 27, 2017, 10:07:08 PM
We've supported "an ever growing population" in every decade, pretty much, since the Black Death, with brief intermissions for war, and can continue to do so.

More people living here means more taxpayers.

Any public service cuts are purely ideological.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Richard E on June 27, 2017, 10:11:25 PM
Has anyone seen the John Terry Thread anywhere?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: aldridgeboy on June 27, 2017, 10:11:46 PM
This is hardly ITK, and it's not exactly a scoop now it's in the press anyhow. But some friends were speaking to Harry Redknapp in a restaurant in Majorca Sunday night. He said Terry to us is a done deal , but for £100k a week and blues couldn't compete. (He could also have been lying I realise )
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: AV5nobs on June 27, 2017, 10:13:03 PM
I've tried debating with you. You ask stupid questions, then disappear when called up on your bullshit.

You simply cannot make a comment without using expletives, this suggests some real issues that I would seek help on my friend.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 27, 2017, 10:14:35 PM
I've tried debating with you. You ask stupid questions, then disappear when called up on your bullshit.

You simply cannot make a comment without using expletives, this suggests some real issues that I would seek help on my friend.

Every expletive is an extra word in a person's vocabulary. Real snobs know that. Winky.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: dave.woodhall on June 27, 2017, 10:25:15 PM
Can we please get back to talking about John Terry and his apparently imminent arrival. Thank you.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: eamonn on June 27, 2017, 10:27:45 PM
On a two year deal that's over £10m. Just hope this doesn't end in tears.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: AV5nobs on June 27, 2017, 10:38:01 PM
I genuinely think JT can bring something to the table and I for one will welcome him with open arms if it comes off.

Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 27, 2017, 10:39:41 PM
Quote
The Daily Mirror claim Villa have outdone rivals Birmingham by giving Terry a £5m, one-year deal which also includes huge bonuses.

Harry Redknapp has accepted defeat in trying to sign the 36-year-old with Steve Bruce set to complete a massive transfer for the club.

Despite interest from West Brom, Swansea and Bournemouth, Terry wants the challenge of playing in the Championship and trying to earn promotion to the Premier League.

He is also reluctant to play against Chelsea next season.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Risso on June 27, 2017, 11:07:15 PM
Quote
The Daily Mirror claim Villa have outdone rivals Birmingham by giving Terry a £5m, one-year deal which also includes huge bonuses.

Harry Redknapp has accepted defeat in trying to sign the 36-year-old with Steve Bruce set to complete a massive transfer for the club.

Despite interest from West Brom, Swansea and Bournemouth, Terry wants the challenge of playing in the Championship and trying to earn promotion to the Premier League.

He is also reluctant to play against Chelsea next season.

I've never believed a word they said since they proclaimed that Muzzy Izzet was joining us.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: itbrvilla on June 27, 2017, 11:07:37 PM
I've tried debating with you. You ask stupid questions, then disappear when called up on your bullshit.

You simply cannot make a comment without using expletives, this suggests some real issues that I would seek help on my friend.

(https://i.imgflip.com/l1352.jpg)
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 27, 2017, 11:19:27 PM
The only, tiny, slither of hope I can take from this is that it makes Small Heath more likely to sign Elphick.

Eta: fuck bollocks wank.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on June 27, 2017, 11:36:28 PM
I have a lot of respect for Steve Bruce and his "sane but plodding" style of management but I just dont see what he sees in this transfer. I really dont.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: AV5nobs on June 27, 2017, 11:44:49 PM
More than half aren't against JT coming now, interesting how this poll, granted on a small section of our entire Fan base has swung the other way.

Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: The Laughing Policeman on June 28, 2017, 12:05:38 AM
According to the Mirror he'll be signing at the weekend, the same time as we unveil our new kit and main sponsor. And it's a one year £5 million deal.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-poised-complete-john-10698510
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 28, 2017, 12:16:51 AM
I assume the new kit comes with a hood?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: ROBBO on June 28, 2017, 12:17:07 AM
He is on huge bonuses apparently these would be based on Villa getting promoted one would assume, the incentive is there. Terry's ego is too big for him to come to Villa for a holiday he will want to come out a winner and that's why I believe he will do a job for us. Would you want him as your BFF probably not but would you want him coming up for corners, most definitely.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 28, 2017, 12:19:05 AM
I assume the new kit comes with a hood?

He's already bought 3 season tickets down VP, all in K block.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Gareth on June 28, 2017, 12:25:16 AM
I look forward to seeing a Villa centre half who can actually pass a ball, be a real novelty - like that there is a huge bonus for promotion - incentive to get it done.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: KevinGage on June 28, 2017, 12:30:34 AM
More than half aren't against JT coming now, interesting how this poll, granted on a small section of our entire Fan base has swung the other way.

I'd say you and you alone have convinced the doubters, naysayers and Moaning Minnies.

Silvertongue.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: The Laughing Policeman on June 28, 2017, 12:38:54 AM
If he is coming, I hope he's got the legs to get him through what could a 49 game league season counting the play offs plus whatever cup runs we put together.
I'm just not enamoured of the idea that he's going to be on a silly deal and playing part time because his legs aren't what they used to be.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: olaftab on June 28, 2017, 02:24:58 AM
I genuinely think JT can bring something to the table
That is an expensive waiter!
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: boozey182 on June 28, 2017, 07:02:09 AM
Quote
The Daily Mirror claim....
He is also reluctant to play against Chelsea next season.

That's not really in the article.....is it?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: AV5nobs on June 28, 2017, 07:07:26 AM
I genuinely think JT can bring something to the table
That is an expensive waiter!

Indeed sir, however, if I want a sublime aged steak I'm going to Simpsons of Edgbaston, not The Figure of Eight steak club of Broad St...free drink or no free drink.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Ads on June 28, 2017, 07:16:32 AM
There's no medical booked apparently so it would seem unlikely he'll sign at the weekend.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on June 28, 2017, 10:16:26 AM
Birmingham City fan Harry Beevis has promised to get Harry Redknapp’s face tattooed on his arse if the club sign John Terry.

http://www.talkingbaws.com/2017/06/birmingham-city-fan-promises-get-harry-redknapps-face-tattoo-arse-sign-john-terry/
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Damo70 on June 28, 2017, 10:23:57 AM
Birmingham City fan Harry Beevis has promised to get Harry Redknapp’s face tattooed on his arse if the club sign John Terry.

http://www.talkingbaws.com/2017/06/birmingham-city-fan-promises-get-harry-redknapps-face-tattoo-arse-sign-john-terry/


Harry Redknapp's face looks like an arse so nobody would detect it was a tattoo.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: LeeB on June 28, 2017, 10:24:22 AM
Birmingham City fan Harry Beevis has promised to get Harry Redknapp’s face tattooed on his arse if the club sign John Terry.

http://www.talkingbaws.com/2017/06/birmingham-city-fan-promises-get-harry-redknapps-face-tattoo-arse-sign-john-terry/

That's nothing, Jack Butthead has promised to set Harry up a labyrinth of offshore bank accounts should Blues make the play offs.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Damo70 on June 28, 2017, 10:27:28 AM
I genuinely think JT can bring something to the table
That is an expensive waiter!

Indeed sir, however, if I want a sublime aged steak I'm going to Simpsons of Edgbaston, not The Figure of Eight steak club of Broad St...free drink or no free drink.


Fiesta Del Asado, the Argentinian restaurant on the Hagley Road is my favourite. If I remember right our very own PWS recommended it to me.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: LeeB on June 28, 2017, 10:28:24 AM
I genuinely think JT can bring something to the table
That is an expensive waiter!

Indeed sir, however, if I want a sublime aged steak I'm going to Simpsons of Edgbaston, not The Figure of Eight steak club of Broad St...free drink or no free drink.


Fiesta Del Asado, the Argentinian restaurant on the Hagley Road is my favourite. If I remember right our very own PWS recommended it to me.

Wonderful food.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: oldtimernow on June 28, 2017, 11:42:37 AM
Own up , who's eaten the bife de costilla on their own?

Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Clampy on June 28, 2017, 12:35:33 PM
There's no medical booked apparently so it would seem unlikely he'll sign at the weekend.

It wouldnt surprise me if it was all done and dusted already if he his coming.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: KRS on June 28, 2017, 01:46:42 PM
Well SSN have picked this up now so it's looking more and more likely that it could be happening...if it does, then I hope the decision makers know what they are doing and as fans we're just going to have come to terms with the fact that we've got a complete and utter bellend playing for us, and hope that he can deliver consistently good performances on the pitch and have he can have a positive affect on the dressing to inspire the rest of the team to gain promotion.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Damo70 on June 28, 2017, 01:53:41 PM
Own up , who's eaten the bife de costilla on their own?

I did eat the thickest steak I have ever eaten in my life there. It took a while to cook it properly. I thought I was going to have pop back the next day when it was ready.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Clampy on June 28, 2017, 02:00:49 PM
I go past the one on the Hagley Road some mornings, and that's the only thing that I can add to the conversation really.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 28, 2017, 02:07:05 PM
I genuinely think JT can bring something to the table
That is an expensive waiter!

Indeed sir, however, if I want a sublime aged steak I'm going to Simpsons of Edgbaston, not The Figure of Eight steak club of Broad St...free drink or no free drink.


Fiesta Del Asado, the Argentinian restaurant on the Hagley Road is my favourite. If I remember right our very own PWS recommended it to me.

Yep, pretty sure I mentioned it a while back. It's just round the corner from me, i've never eaten there but only ever hear good things about it.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: paul_e on June 28, 2017, 02:07:08 PM
Fiesta Del Asado is part of the Lasan group and all of their restaurants are great.

Raja Monkey in Hall Green is probably my favourite, the Veggie Dosa they do is superb.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Pat McMahon on June 28, 2017, 02:13:52 PM
Fiesta Del Asado is part of the Lasan group and all of their restaurants are great.

Raja Monkey in Hall Green is probably my favourite, the Veggie Dosa they do is superb.

Veggie dosas are not easy to find but good ones are amazing.

Sagar, a veggie Indian near our office, does wonderful dosas.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: peter w on June 28, 2017, 03:23:24 PM
I've tried debating with you. You ask stupid questions, then disappear when called up on your bullshit.

No need to be so belligerent.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cheltenhamlion on June 28, 2017, 06:20:46 PM
There's no medical booked apparently so it would seem unlikely he'll sign at the weekend.

I don't know, I got a little nibble through earlier this was pretty much done.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Damo70 on June 28, 2017, 06:43:17 PM
Fiesta Del Asado is part of the Lasan group and all of their restaurants are great.

Raja Monkey in Hall Green is probably my favourite, the Veggie Dosa they do is superb.


Whereabouts in Hall Green is it? Judging by The Evening Mails top ten fish and chip shops Hall Green is the chippy capital of Birmingham.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Can Gana Be Bettered!?!? on June 28, 2017, 06:54:40 PM
Fiesta Del Asado is part of the Lasan group and all of their restaurants are great.

Raja Monkey in Hall Green is probably my favourite, the Veggie Dosa they do is superb.


Whereabouts in Hall Green is it? Judging by The Evening Mails top ten fish and chip shops Hall Green is the chippy capital of Birmingham.

Opposite Waitrose. They do really great food there.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: The Edge on June 28, 2017, 07:56:07 PM
I assume the new kit comes with a hood?
Or a snood?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: class-of-82 on June 28, 2017, 08:00:19 PM
had a steak at the gaucho restaurant near Tottenham court road
hope jt is as good as that steak was
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: N'ZMAV on June 28, 2017, 08:04:06 PM
John Terry will be the best manager we've had for years.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: The Edge on June 28, 2017, 08:18:27 PM
I voted yes in the John Terry poll. Honestly the only way I can square the circle is to separate the argument for the player from what I think of him as a man. The question I asked myself is this. If he captained the Villa to the hoard of silverware Chelsea have won in recent years would we turn a blind eye to his many faults? I'm pretty sure most Villa fans could ignore it. Just as Chelsea fans have done. IMHO that's the bottom line. Whether or not he's past it well I guess time will tell, be that at Villa Park or elsewhere.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: olaftab on June 28, 2017, 08:24:26 PM
There's no medical booked apparently so it would seem unlikely he'll sign at the weekend.
I am sure he insisted on no medical after all he is a legend.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 28, 2017, 08:30:36 PM
He's always busy this time of year, getting ready to go and collect the Wimbledon trophy.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: olaftab on June 28, 2017, 08:31:13 PM
Or... we could just sign someone without age/injury worries for a fraction of the price, and concentrate on improving the areas where we were poor last year.
Oh you mean build a proper team? What's wrong with you?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on June 28, 2017, 08:44:52 PM
He's always busy this time of year, getting ready to go and collect the Wimbledon trophy.

He's just putting his headband on and polishing his racket. Quite an acheivement after winning the henley regatta
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Ads on June 28, 2017, 08:58:38 PM
There's no medical booked apparently so it would seem unlikely he'll sign at the weekend.

I don't know, I got a little nibble through earlier this was pretty much done.

Medical could be Monday now.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: adrenachrome on June 28, 2017, 10:00:16 PM
Happy Mondays.

My heart leaps with Joy at the prospect of what is next up SB's ample sleeve.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on June 28, 2017, 10:53:47 PM
Or... we could just sign someone without age/injury worries for a fraction of the price, and concentrate on improving the areas where we were poor last year.
Oh you mean build a proper team? What's wrong with you?
This is crazy talk!

Where would it end?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: AV5nobs on June 28, 2017, 11:12:16 PM
Like Elphick, that turned out well didn't it.

The sooner JT signs the better.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Axl Rose on June 29, 2017, 01:06:48 AM
Or... we could just sign someone without age/injury worries for a fraction of the price, and concentrate on improving the areas where we were poor last year.
Oh you mean build a proper team? What's wrong with you?
This is crazy talk!

Where would it end?

I'm baffled by such common sense. Please elaborate.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 29, 2017, 01:09:18 AM
You'll be suggesting that we use tactics and try off the ball movement next. Nutters. We'll have none of that malarky at Aston Villa thank you very much.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 29, 2017, 01:47:27 AM
On his Instagram account shown working out at Chelsea, Terry shows greater speed than Baker, greater control and distribution than Elphick.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BVmJlWvjke0/
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Dave on June 29, 2017, 07:07:38 AM
Like Elphick, that turned out well didn't it.

The sooner JT signs the better.

What on earth are you talking about?

Because Elphick was rubbish we should be spending huge amounts of money on a 36 year old rather than buying players that we need more?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: ozzjim on June 29, 2017, 07:19:14 AM
Like a keeper that looks like joining Boro for 2.5m that will likely be worth 10 in 18 months time.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Duncan Shaw on June 29, 2017, 07:26:29 AM
On his Instagram account shown working out at Chelsea, Terry shows greater speed than Baker, greater control and distribution than Elphick.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BVmJlWvjke0/

Shouldn't the fact he's in, working at Chelsea pretty much alone to maintain his fitness and sharpness tell us all we need to know - from a football side - about his desire and commitment to still being able to cut it next season?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on June 29, 2017, 08:00:53 AM
On his Instagram account shown working out at Chelsea, Terry shows greater speed than Baker, greater control and distribution than Elphick.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BVmJlWvjke0/

Shouldn't the fact he's in, working at Chelsea pretty much alone to maintain his fitness and sharpness tell us all we need to know - from a football side - about his desire and commitment to still being able to cut it next season?

Only he is not - he is training with Jody Morris. The same 'character' that he was on an assault charge with 15 years ago.

Running around in a 15-20 second clip does not convince me he can cope with more football in one Championship season than he has probably had in 3-4 years.

The test is not to be better than Elphick, he's not in our starting 11. As central defense is not our greatest priority we should only be investing £5m if the player recruited is a guaranteed upgrade and starter available most weeks. I simply don't see him as that - he is a gamble and/or vanity project (imo) and we don't need to either.

Plus, I simply wouldn't have him at the Villa just because of the baggage he brings and the type of bloke he is.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: AV5nobs on June 29, 2017, 08:21:04 AM
£5 million (wages and bonuses) is such an absurd amount to potentially be a significant signing in staying in this turgid league or going back up to the Premiership.

I would sooner us pay £5m to never see Baker in a Villa shirt again, oaf who couldn't pass wind.

Get him signed.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: themossman on June 29, 2017, 08:21:28 AM
On his Instagram account shown working out at Chelsea, Terry shows greater speed than Baker, greater control and distribution than Elphick.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BVmJlWvjke0/

Talk about damning with faint praise ;-)

He's also less racist than Hitler!
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on June 29, 2017, 08:37:02 AM
£5 million (wages and bonuses) is such an absurd amount to potentially be a significant signing in staying in this turgid league or going back up to the Premiership.

I would sooner us pay £5m to never see Baker in a Villa shirt again, oaf who couldn't pass wind.

Get him signed.

Bizarre that you see Terry or Baker as the only choice we have. Even if it were, I would rather Baker, but it is not so (imo) we should strengthen with someone other than EBJT.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Clampy on June 29, 2017, 08:46:27 AM
Absolutely nothing,  don't want him anywhere near us for footballing reasons, not social contradictions.


Someone has changed their tune from 5 days ago.

Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: AV5nobs on June 29, 2017, 09:02:42 AM
The prospect of Elphick and Baker anywhere near that squad is just too scary, Inwould rather have Bacuna at centre half than those two clowns.

Just get him signed so we can all move on.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: in exile on June 29, 2017, 10:39:47 AM
The prospect of Elphick and Baker anywhere near that squad is just too scary, Inwould rather have Bacuna at centre half than those two clowns.

Just get him signed so we can all move on.

Come and have a hug hunni
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: The Laughing Policeman on June 29, 2017, 11:28:12 AM
I hear that one of his demands is that the team give him a guard of honour each time he's substituted, and on his debut he gets to run round the ground holding our European Cup aloft.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on June 29, 2017, 11:34:58 AM
50 pages in 8 days is impressive.
Only the appointment of small heath managers or dictators naming stands after themselves can compete with that.
No lack of pace there. 
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: DB on June 29, 2017, 11:40:06 AM
The prospect of Elphick and Baker anywhere near that squad is just too scary, Inwould rather have Bacuna at centre half than those two clowns.

Just get him signed so we can all move on.


You mean you need to move on.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: AV5nobs on June 29, 2017, 11:43:15 AM
Hopefully he can notch up a few goals from set pieces for us too.

Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: boozey182 on June 29, 2017, 11:44:27 AM
I hear that one of his demands is that the team give him a guard of honour each time he's substituted, and on his debut he gets to run round the ground holding our European Cup aloft.

I heard that he insists on being subsituted after 26 minutes every match (assuming he lasts that long), and if the opposition have the ball they have to kick it out before the minute is out. Plus any mention of falling over whilst taking a penalty will result in a instant ban from the stadium.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: ironmaidenmania on June 29, 2017, 12:07:16 PM
Read on BBC Football Gossip that Terry could be our next manager to take over from Bruce. Not sure if he's done any badges. Suppose this is a step towards managing Chelsea.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 29, 2017, 12:39:47 PM
There's no medical booked apparently so it would seem unlikely he'll sign at the weekend.

I don't know, I got a little nibble through earlier this was pretty much done.

Medical could be Monday now.

He's still on holiday in the Algarve.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 29, 2017, 01:37:37 PM
I hear that one of his demands is that the team give him a guard of honour each time he's substituted, and on his debut he gets to run round the ground holding our European Cup aloft.
In his Chelsea kit.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Damo70 on June 29, 2017, 01:46:32 PM
Read on BBC Football Gossip that Terry could be our next manager to take over from Bruce. Not sure if he's done any badges. Suppose this is a step towards managing Chelsea.


It doesn't work like that though does it? I remember everyone presuming one day Bryan Robson would manage United.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 29, 2017, 01:50:49 PM
Which he almost certainly would've done, had he been successful.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Pat McMahon on June 29, 2017, 01:54:12 PM
Read on BBC Football Gossip that Terry could be our next manager to take over from Bruce. Not sure if he's done any badges. Suppose this is a step towards managing Chelsea.


It doesn't work like that though does it? I remember everyone presuming one day Bryan Robson would manage United.

I'm still hopeful on that one
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Deano's Mullet on June 29, 2017, 02:44:36 PM
The management rumour strikes me as bullshit. Suppose we had another bad start and Bruce is under severe pressure to go as early as October/November. Surely theres no way Terry could take over and do the job that soon even if his contract he was supposed to be the immediate successor? You thought O'Leary was unpopular, I cant imagine this unpleasant human being taking over as Villa boss.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: simboy on June 29, 2017, 02:48:05 PM
My real concern about him - putting aside the man off the pitch for a moment - if SB almost designs a defensive system for him ... some suggestion of three centre halves partly to make up for the pace side of things  ... and he pulls up in the second game where does that leave us? 

Big gamble. One I hope pays off as I wouldn't mind paying big bucks even to this horrible individual to see us promoted... but then I sold my soul to the Villa many many years ago
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: KevinGage on June 29, 2017, 02:57:19 PM
The management rumour strikes me as bullshit. Suppose we had another bad start and Bruce is under severe pressure to go as early as October/November. Surely theres no way Terry could take over and do the job that soon even if his contract he was supposed to be the immediate successor?

The rumour may well be bullshit.  But it's not a stretch to see John Terry looking at Steve Bruce and thinking he is on a sticky wicket with a bad start.  Roy Keane might have had similar ideas when he agreed to be Lamberk's no 2.

He only has to go back 12 months and see how patient Xia was with his mate Bobby di Matteo for reference.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Deano's Mullet on June 29, 2017, 03:02:46 PM
The management rumour strikes me as bullshit. Suppose we had another bad start and Bruce is under severe pressure to go as early as October/November. Surely theres no way Terry could take over and do the job that soon even if his contract he was supposed to be the immediate successor?

The rumour may well be bullshit.  But it's not a stretch to see John Terry looking at Steve Bruce and thinking he is on a sticky wicket with a bad start.  Roy Keane might have had similar ideas when he agreed to be Lamberk's no 2.

He only has to go back 12 months and see how patient Xia was with his mate Bobby di Matteo for reference.

Exactly. I honestly thought the same with Keane/Lambert. There's no doubt Bruce is under pressure this season but talk of him being replaced by a new signing would certainly heap it on him even more.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: olaftab on June 29, 2017, 10:28:16 PM
£5 million (wages and bonuses) is such an absurd amount to potentially be a significant signing in staying in this turgid league or going back up to the Premiership.

I would sooner us pay £5m to never see Baker in a Villa shirt again, oaf who couldn't pass wind.

Get him signed.
Your village must be missing you....
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: avfc_1874 on June 29, 2017, 10:58:15 PM
A John Terry thread, that has ended up with arguments about Brexit. I'm not even surprised.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: LeeB on June 29, 2017, 11:07:31 PM
A John Terry thread, that has ended up with arguments about Brexit. I'm not even surprised.

Terry means Terry.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: AV5nobs on June 29, 2017, 11:33:21 PM
£5 million (wages and bonuses) is such an absurd amount to potentially be a significant signing in staying in this turgid league or going back up to the Premiership.

I would sooner us pay £5m to never see Baker in a Villa shirt again, oaf who couldn't pass wind.

Get him signed.
Your village must be missing you....

Irony defined from Castle Brom.

Enjoy.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Axl Rose on June 29, 2017, 11:42:28 PM
£5 million (wages and bonuses) is such an absurd amount to potentially be a significant signing in staying in this turgid league or going back up to the Premiership.

I would sooner us pay £5m to never see Baker in a Villa shirt again, oaf who couldn't pass wind.

Get him signed.
Your village must be missing you....

Irony defined from Castle Brom.

Enjoy.

What does that even mean?

Are you actually John Terry?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: AV5nobs on June 29, 2017, 11:44:11 PM
Serious question?

What on earth are you talking about.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 29, 2017, 11:51:20 PM
A John Terry thread, that has ended up with arguments about Brexit. I'm not even surprised.

True. It's a racist magnet.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Axl Rose on June 29, 2017, 11:51:49 PM
Serious question?

What on earth are you talking about.

Yes, a serious question. The first part, anyway.

I don't live where you live, so I've no idea what your sentence means.

Also, as someone who regularly reads this page, I think it's more than clear that you want Villa to sign John Terry. It's your opinion, I don't think you need to be defending it with such rigourous passion. It's just non stop, and slightly monotonous.

When/if he signs, you can buy the shirt, get his name on the back and lift an imaginary Championship trophy in your living room.

That's what I'm talking about.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: AV5nobs on June 29, 2017, 11:54:50 PM
Are you drunk? What imaginary trophy?

Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Axl Rose on June 30, 2017, 12:03:23 AM
Are you drunk? What imaginary trophy?



Oh, don't worry about it. I was attempting humour, and failing miserably by the looks of it.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: saunders_heroes on June 30, 2017, 07:35:43 AM
£5 million (wages and bonuses) is such an absurd amount to potentially be a significant signing in staying in this turgid league or going back up to the Premiership.

I would sooner us pay £5m to never see Baker in a Villa shirt again, oaf who couldn't pass wind.

Get him signed.
Your village must be missing you....

That's a bit uncalled for.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on June 30, 2017, 08:42:08 AM
@avfctransfers1 has just tweeted that a medical has been booked. Normally rated as quite reliable.

Not a signing I want to see.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Axl Rose on June 30, 2017, 08:51:44 AM
£5 million (wages and bonuses) is such an absurd amount to potentially be a significant signing in staying in this turgid league or going back up to the Premiership.

I would sooner us pay £5m to never see Baker in a Villa shirt again, oaf who couldn't pass wind.

Get him signed.
Your village must be missing you....

That's a bit uncalled for.

I'm completely lost here, as I tried to say earlier. What's all this village talk? Aftab, are you being naughty, mate?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: aev on June 30, 2017, 09:55:04 AM
I am surprised I haven't seen a picture of him holding up the European Cup in Rotterdam.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on June 30, 2017, 10:21:10 AM
@avfctransfers1 has just tweeted that a medical has been booked. Normally rated as quite reliable.

Not a signing I want to see.

He seems ITK. Called everything spot on in January. Sounds like Terry is ours.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: avfcdale on June 30, 2017, 10:21:48 AM
the Dr has just tweeted, someone has signed
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: frank black on June 30, 2017, 10:22:30 AM
Tony's tweeted we have signed someone too.✍️👏🏻#UTV
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: paul_e on June 30, 2017, 10:23:20 AM
£5 million (wages and bonuses) is such an absurd amount to potentially be a significant signing in staying in this turgid league or going back up to the Premiership.

I would sooner us pay £5m to never see Baker in a Villa shirt again, oaf who couldn't pass wind.

Get him signed.
Your village must be missing you....

That's a bit uncalled for.

I'm completely lost here, as I tried to say earlier. What's all this village talk? Aftab, are you being naughty, mate?

He was calling him an idiot.

On topic, I'm resigned to this happening now but I'm very worried that it will backfire because I honestly don't think he'll be able to play enough games to be worth the cost.

That said, on the positive side at least it's a good bit of dick swinging.  We're the biggest club in this league by a long way and that should involve us convincing players who are too good for this division to give us a season and help us get out of it, that's why I didn't like the strategy of signing decent players from this level.  Someone like Chester who had played a fair few games in the premier league the year before and shown he belonged there was a great signing and, unsurprisingly he was one of the genuinely successful signings last year.  Taylor (despite my reservations) started to look like another as did Jedinak.  Of the signings from the championship only Kodjia looked anything like what we expected.  Signing players who are too good for where we are is the best way to stop being here and whilst I don't know if Terry is that he sends a signal that we can attract players who are perceived to be better than where we are.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Axl Rose on June 30, 2017, 10:25:17 AM
£5 million (wages and bonuses) is such an absurd amount to potentially be a significant signing in staying in this turgid league or going back up to the Premiership.

I would sooner us pay £5m to never see Baker in a Villa shirt again, oaf who couldn't pass wind.

Get him signed.
Your village must be missing you....

That's a bit uncalled for.

I'm completely lost here, as I tried to say earlier. What's all this village talk? Aftab, are you being naughty, mate?

He was calling him an idiot.

On topic, I'm resigned to this happening now but I'm very worried that it will backfire because I honestly don't think he'll be able to play enough games to be worth the cost.

That said, on the positive side at least it's a good bit of dick swinging.  We're the biggest club in this league by a long way and that should involve us convincing players who are too good for this division to give us a season and help us get out of it, that's why I didn't like the strategy of signing decent players from this level.  Someone like Chester who had played a fair few games in the premier league the year before and shown he belonged there was a great signing and, unsurprisingly he was one of the genuinely successful signings last year.  Taylor (despite my reservations) started to look like another as did Jedinak.  Of the signings from the championship only Kodjia looked anything like what we expected.  Signing players who are too good for where we are is the best way to stop being here and whilst I don't know if Terry is that he sends a signal that we can attract players who are perceived to be better than where we are.

Cheers Paul_e.

It's been a long day.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Villatillidie25 on June 30, 2017, 10:25:59 AM
£5 million (wages and bonuses) is such an absurd amount to potentially be a significant signing in staying in this turgid league or going back up to the Premiership.

I would sooner us pay £5m to never see Baker in a Villa shirt again, oaf who couldn't pass wind.

Get him signed.
Your village must be missing you....

That's a bit uncalled for.

I'm completely lost here, as I tried to say earlier. What's all this village talk? Aftab, are you being naughty, mate?

He was calling him an idiot.

On topic, I'm resigned to this happening now but I'm very worried that it will backfire because I honestly don't think he'll be able to play enough games to be worth the cost.

That said, on the positive side at least it's a good bit of dick swinging.  We're the biggest club in this league by a long way and that should involve us convincing players who are too good for this division to give us a season and help us get out of it, that's why I didn't like the strategy of signing decent players from this level.  Someone like Chester who had played a fair few games in the premier league the year before and shown he belonged there was a great signing and, unsurprisingly he was one of the genuinely successful signings last year.  Taylor (despite my reservations) started to look like another as did Jedinak.  Of the signings from the championship only Kodjia looked anything like what we expected.  Signing players who are too good for where we are is the best way to stop being here and whilst I don't know if Terry is that he sends a signal that we can attract players who are perceived to be better than where we are.

Couldn't agree more. Sign championship players, become a championship team.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Nelson Lodge on June 30, 2017, 10:29:42 AM
Life's too short to read the previous pages, so this player may have been mentioned before in connection with JT. If my father and grandfather were alive today I am quite sure they would be drawing comparisons to Frank Barson. An interesting character to say the least for his part in Villa history. To the best of my knowledge JT has yet to get a 7 month ban from football. Here is a link for anyone interested in our great history.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2014/dec/16/forgotten-story-frank-barson-aston-villa-manchester-united
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: manic-road on June 30, 2017, 10:50:26 AM
Life's too short to read the previous pages, so this player may have been mentioned before in connection with JT. If my father and grandfather were alive today I am quite sure they would be drawing comparisons to Frank Barson. An interesting character to say the least for his part in Villa history. To the best of my knowledge JT has yet to get a 7 month ban from football. Here is a link for anyone interested in our great history.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2014/dec/16/forgotten-story-frank-barson-aston-villa-manchester-united

That's a great read, and nowadays players go tumbling at the slightest hint of "contact" I bet Barson wouldn't like today's game.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Mister E on June 30, 2017, 11:05:55 AM

On topic, I'm resigned to this happening now but I'm very worried that it will backfire because I honestly don't think he'll be able to play enough games to be worth the cost.

That said, on the positive side at least it's a good bit of dick swinging.  We're the biggest club in this league by a long way and that should involve us convincing players who are too good for this division to give us a season and help us get out of it, that's why I didn't like the strategy of signing decent players from this level.  Someone like Chester who had played a fair few games in the premier league the year before and shown he belonged there was a great signing and, unsurprisingly he was one of the genuinely successful signings last year.  Taylor (despite my reservations) started to look like another as did Jedinak.  Of the signings from the championship only Kodjia looked anything like what we expected.  Signing players who are too good for where we are is the best way to stop being here and whilst I don't know if Terry is that he sends a signal that we can attract players who are perceived to be better than where we are.
As you say, looks like it's happening.
I think the critical issue with JT is not so much his fitness - it's clear that we won't get 50 games out of him - but his attitude. If he is coming to Villa to serve an apprenticeship into coaching and management and he takes that seriously, we may find that he will knock some current egos into shape and we'll see a more purposeful and focussed squad. If - au contraire - he is simply here for the money and as a career wind-down, it'll be a nightmare.
Will we get the serious and focussed pro or King John with the gargantuan ego and golden boots?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: LeeB on June 30, 2017, 11:08:43 AM

On topic, I'm resigned to this happening now but I'm very worried that it will backfire because I honestly don't think he'll be able to play enough games to be worth the cost.

That said, on the positive side at least it's a good bit of dick swinging.  We're the biggest club in this league by a long way and that should involve us convincing players who are too good for this division to give us a season and help us get out of it, that's why I didn't like the strategy of signing decent players from this level.  Someone like Chester who had played a fair few games in the premier league the year before and shown he belonged there was a great signing and, unsurprisingly he was one of the genuinely successful signings last year.  Taylor (despite my reservations) started to look like another as did Jedinak.  Of the signings from the championship only Kodjia looked anything like what we expected.  Signing players who are too good for where we are is the best way to stop being here and whilst I don't know if Terry is that he sends a signal that we can attract players who are perceived to be better than where we are.
As you say, looks like it's happening.
I think the critical issue with JT is not so much his fitness - it's clear that we won't get 50 games out of him - but his attitude. If he is coming to Villa to serve an apprenticeship into coaching and management and he takes that seriously, we may find that he will knock some current egos into shape and we'll see a more purposeful and focussed squad. If - au contraire - he is simply here for the money and as a career wind-down, it'll be a nightmare.
Will we get the serious and focussed pro or King John with the gargantuan ego and golden boots?

The encouraging thing for me is that there would have been far easier options than us if he was just taking the money and winding down.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 30, 2017, 11:18:26 AM
I've never hated a Villa player before. 😔
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: MoetVillan on June 30, 2017, 11:19:57 AM
Djemba Djemba tested my patience. 
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Eckybloke on June 30, 2017, 11:23:00 AM
Are there any examples anywhere of a one-club man who is a good player in his prime, who when coming to the end of his career manages to make a success of his next move or two?

I'm continually getting visions of old boxers hanging on for one last payday and then just becoming desperate and embarrassing!

 :-\
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Hopadop on June 30, 2017, 11:34:09 AM
I've never hated a Villa player before. 😔

I didn't like Fashanu much, but he never felt like ours.

I'm seriously thinking about taking a sabbatical. They'll miss my three games and a couple of tops in the sale next year.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: AV5nobs on June 30, 2017, 11:36:05 AM
I don't want to like a player, I want them to do their job and produce results.

Ashley Westwood was a likeable Person.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: AV5nobs on June 30, 2017, 11:37:32 AM
I've never hated a Villa player before. 😔

I didn't like Fashanu much, but he never felt like ours.

I'm seriously thinking about taking a sabbatical. They'll miss my three games and a couple of tops in the sale next year.

Dr Tone must be on the phone as we speak reversing the move.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Hopadop on June 30, 2017, 11:39:59 AM
I don't want to like a player, I want them to do their job and produce results.

Ashley Westwood was a likeable Person.

I'd agree if you're talking about the manager of the Tescos down the road, or the head of the armed forces; basically anything quite important.

But for me, supporting a football isn't a logical, hard-headed decision and I don't want any of the players to be massive c***s, no matter how good they are.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 30, 2017, 11:46:26 AM
I don't want to like a player, I want them to do their job and produce results.

Ashley Westwood was a likeable Person.

I'd agree if you're talking about the manager of the Tescos down the road, or the head of the armed forces; basically anything quite important.

But for me, supporting a football isn't a logical, hard-headed decision and I don't want any of the players to be massive c***s, no matter how good they are.

Or how good they used to be.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Dr Butler on June 30, 2017, 11:48:11 AM
where does Terry rank against one of the most despicable toe rags to ever wear the Villa jersey...Hodge

maybe we should do a top 10 toe rags that played for Villa ?

UTV
The Doc
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on June 30, 2017, 11:53:58 AM
I might not want John Terry to move to Villa, but he deserve a clean slate at Villa and all it matters what he do for Villa over his time of contract. We could be grooming him to replace Steve Bruce in few years time, and he had great education at Chelsea working with all these managers.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on June 30, 2017, 11:55:36 AM
I've never hated a Villa player before. 😔

Bloody hell. I have. Most of the wankers who got us relegated for starters.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Newby on June 30, 2017, 12:04:44 PM
I've never hated a Villa player before. 😔

Bloody hell. I have. Most of the wankers who got us relegated for starters.

Bacuna for me. Regardless of how well he might play on the odd occasion. I can't stand him.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Mister E on June 30, 2017, 12:09:07 PM
Robert Hopkins was low-life to the power of n.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Damo70 on June 30, 2017, 12:16:18 PM
Robert Hopkins was low-life to the power of n.


I used to see him pissed as a fart in Rosies in Solihull. Apart from the time I saw him as pissed as a fart in the Shelley Farm in Shirley. Apparently he was from Pitmaston Road Hall Green and he and his brothers were quite notorious growing up.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 30, 2017, 12:21:45 PM

On topic, I'm resigned to this happening now but I'm very worried that it will backfire because I honestly don't think he'll be able to play enough games to be worth the cost.

That said, on the positive side at least it's a good bit of dick swinging.  We're the biggest club in this league by a long way and that should involve us convincing players who are too good for this division to give us a season and help us get out of it, that's why I didn't like the strategy of signing decent players from this level.  Someone like Chester who had played a fair few games in the premier league the year before and shown he belonged there was a great signing and, unsurprisingly he was one of the genuinely successful signings last year.  Taylor (despite my reservations) started to look like another as did Jedinak.  Of the signings from the championship only Kodjia looked anything like what we expected.  Signing players who are too good for where we are is the best way to stop being here and whilst I don't know if Terry is that he sends a signal that we can attract players who are perceived to be better than where we are.
As you say, looks like it's happening.
I think the critical issue with JT is not so much his fitness - it's clear that we won't get 50 games out of him - but his attitude. If he is coming to Villa to serve an apprenticeship into coaching and management and he takes that seriously, we may find that he will knock some current egos into shape and we'll see a more purposeful and focussed squad. If - au contraire - he is simply here for the money and as a career wind-down, it'll be a nightmare.
Will we get the serious and focussed pro or King John with the gargantuan ego and golden boots?

The encouraging thing for me is that there would have been far easier options than us if he was just taking the money and winding down.

That's true, it suggests he probably still has the desire to achieve something.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Zouch Villa on June 30, 2017, 12:23:23 PM
Djemba Djemba tested my patience. 
Both of them?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: London Villan on June 30, 2017, 12:43:46 PM
I've never hated a Villa player before. 😔

I hate of a lot of the clowns that got us relegated...

I do wonder if AVBJT will reference some the reactions he received at Villa Park - or by past experience he probably didn't even notice.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: chrisw1 on June 30, 2017, 12:50:32 PM
He'll get my support.

And if (I appreciate it's a pretty big if) he starts putting in heart on the sleeve dominant performances for us, I think the rest of you will come round to it pretty quickly too.  If he inspires us to promotion, people will be singing his praises.

It could certainly end up as another Lescott / Richards type move, but for now I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and hope it turns out to be inspired.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: montague on June 30, 2017, 01:18:47 PM
He'll get my support.

And if (I appreciate it's a pretty big if) he starts putting in heart on the sleeve dominant performances for us, I think the rest of you will come round to it pretty quickly too.  If he inspires us to promotion, people will be singing his praises.

It could certainly end up as another Lescott / Richards type move, but for now I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and hope it turns out to be inspired.

Terry is a vastly superior player to Lescott and Richards with a vastly superior mentality and attitude.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: frank black on June 30, 2017, 01:22:13 PM
He'll get my support.

And if (I appreciate it's a pretty big if) he starts putting in heart on the sleeve dominant performances for us, I think the rest of you will come round to it pretty quickly too.  If he inspires us to promotion, people will be singing his praises.

It could certainly end up as another Lescott / Richards type move, but for now I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and hope it turns out to be inspired.

Terry is a vastly superior player to Lescott and Richards with a vastly superior mentality and attitude.

His mentality and attitude maybe great, but if the legs say no the legs say no. It's going to be down to this to decide whether it's a good move or not.. we shall see
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 30, 2017, 01:24:48 PM
I can't remember anyone questioning Lescott's attitude before he signed for us.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: paul_e on June 30, 2017, 01:27:59 PM
He'll get my support.

And if (I appreciate it's a pretty big if) he starts putting in heart on the sleeve dominant performances for us, I think the rest of you will come round to it pretty quickly too.  If he inspires us to promotion, people will be singing his praises.

It could certainly end up as another Lescott / Richards type move, but for now I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and hope it turns out to be inspired.

Terry is a vastly superior player to Lescott and Richards with a vastly superior mentality and attitude.

He is, that's why my comparison on this thread has always been Pires who had an excellent career and a brilliant attitude but was just too old when he joined.  Shay Given is another decent example as well.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: chrisw1 on June 30, 2017, 02:21:47 PM
He'll get my support.

And if (I appreciate it's a pretty big if) he starts putting in heart on the sleeve dominant performances for us, I think the rest of you will come round to it pretty quickly too.  If he inspires us to promotion, people will be singing his praises.

It could certainly end up as another Lescott / Richards type move, but for now I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and hope it turns out to be inspired.

Terry is a vastly superior player to Lescott and Richards with a vastly superior mentality and attitude.

He is, that's why my comparison on this thread has always been Pires who had an excellent career and a brilliant attitude but was just too old when he joined.  Shay Given is another decent example as well.
These examples are pointless though.  How old was Sheringham when he scored 20 goals for West Ham?  Or McAllister when he went to Liverpool?

We have absolutely no idea how JT will perform.  But is is certainly possible he will be a great asset.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 30, 2017, 02:45:27 PM
I don't think anyone is arguing that he "could" be an asset. He could be, or he could be useless. That's far from certain.

What is certain is that he's on tape racially abusing someone and will make young black children think twice before deciding to become Villa fans.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Ad@m on June 30, 2017, 02:46:00 PM
He'll get my support.

And if (I appreciate it's a pretty big if) he starts putting in heart on the sleeve dominant performances for us, I think the rest of you will come round to it pretty quickly too.  If he inspires us to promotion, people will be singing his praises.

It could certainly end up as another Lescott / Richards type move, but for now I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and hope it turns out to be inspired.

Terry is a vastly superior player to Lescott and Richards with a vastly superior mentality and attitude.

He is, that's why my comparison on this thread has always been Pires who had an excellent career and a brilliant attitude but was just too old when he joined.  Shay Given is another decent example as well.
These examples are pointless though.  How old was Sheringham when he scored 20 goals for West Ham?  Or McAllister when he went to Liverpool?

We have absolutely no idea how JT will perform.  But is is certainly possible he will be a great asset.

Isn't it equally as certainly possible he'll be the equivalent of setting fire to £5m in the Holte End car park whilst simultaneously pissing off the rest of the squad and alienating a big chunk of the fan base?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: AV5nobs on June 30, 2017, 02:54:10 PM
My next door neighbours are black and there 12 year old son is very excited at the thought of JT wearing our claret and blue, and he's aware of the whole racist remarks.

Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: TheMalandro on June 30, 2017, 02:57:54 PM
He'll get my support.

And if (I appreciate it's a pretty big if) he starts putting in heart on the sleeve dominant performances for us, I think the rest of you will come round to it pretty quickly too.  If he inspires us to promotion, people will be singing his praises.

It could certainly end up as another Lescott / Richards type move, but for now I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and hope it turns out to be inspired.

Terry is a vastly superior player to Lescott and Richards with a vastly superior mentality and attitude.

He is, that's why my comparison on this thread has always been Pires who had an excellent career and a brilliant attitude but was just too old when he joined.  Shay Given is another decent example as well.
These examples are pointless though.  How old was Sheringham when he scored 20 goals for West Ham?  Or McAllister when he went to Liverpool?

We have absolutely no idea how JT will perform.  But is is certainly possible he will be a great asset.

Isn't it equally as certainly possible he'll be the equivalent of setting fire to £5m in the Holte End car park whilst simultaneously pissing off the rest of the squad and alienating a big chunk of the fan base?

It sure is.

I think everyone agrees that he's a cock. But also that he's been a great player.
I think it's a good gamble.

I can't trivialise what he's done in the past but I can also see Peter W's point, earlier in the thread.
He's certainly not had a problem since that incident.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: paul_e on June 30, 2017, 03:01:55 PM
He'll get my support.

And if (I appreciate it's a pretty big if) he starts putting in heart on the sleeve dominant performances for us, I think the rest of you will come round to it pretty quickly too.  If he inspires us to promotion, people will be singing his praises.

It could certainly end up as another Lescott / Richards type move, but for now I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and hope it turns out to be inspired.

Terry is a vastly superior player to Lescott and Richards with a vastly superior mentality and attitude.

He is, that's why my comparison on this thread has always been Pires who had an excellent career and a brilliant attitude but was just too old when he joined.  Shay Given is another decent example as well.
These examples are pointless though.  How old was Sheringham when he scored 20 goals for West Ham?  Or McAllister when he went to Liverpool?

We have absolutely no idea how JT will perform.  But is is certainly possible he will be a great asset.

They really aren't pointless, they're examples of older players moving to a new club.  Sheringham is actually a perfect example of how it could work out well and I do accept that it could happen. Mcallister on the other hand is exactly what I'm worried about.  He was 35 when he signed for Liverpool and his first season was superb but the next season was a year too far and he looked spent by about February.  He managed to eek out another 18 months at coventry after that but mainly because he was the player manager and kept picking himself.

That's the concern as I've said a few times, at that age things go south pretty quickly and Terry could be fine now and fucked by Christmas.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: DB on June 30, 2017, 03:02:42 PM
My next door neighbours are black and there 12 year old son is very excited at the thought of JT wearing our claret and blue, and he's aware of the whole racist remarks.



What's your point?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: LeeB on June 30, 2017, 03:29:02 PM
My next door neighbours are black and there 12 year old son is very excited at the thought of JT wearing our claret and blue, and he's aware of the whole racist remarks.



What are the chances?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: olaftab on June 30, 2017, 03:54:26 PM
My next door neighbours are black and there 12 year old son is very excited at the thought of JT wearing our claret and blue, and he's aware of the whole racist remarks.
Based on that I am now quite happy and looking forward to wearing the shirt with his name on the back.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 30, 2017, 04:13:18 PM
He'll get my support.

And if (I appreciate it's a pretty big if) he starts putting in heart on the sleeve dominant performances for us, I think the rest of you will come round to it pretty quickly too.  If he inspires us to promotion, people will be singing his praises.

It could certainly end up as another Lescott / Richards type move, but for now I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and hope it turns out to be inspired.

Terry is a vastly superior player to Lescott and Richards with a vastly superior mentality and attitude.

He is, that's why my comparison on this thread has always been Pires who had an excellent career and a brilliant attitude but was just too old when he joined.  Shay Given is another decent example as well.
These examples are pointless though.  How old was Sheringham when he scored 20 goals for West Ham?  Or McAllister when he went to Liverpool?

We have absolutely no idea how JT will perform.  But is is certainly possible he will be a great asset.

They really aren't pointless, they're examples of older players moving to a new club.  Sheringham is actually a perfect example of how it could work out well and I do accept that it could happen. Mcallister on the other hand is exactly what I'm worried about.  He was 35 when he signed for Liverpool and his first season was superb but the next season was a year too far and he looked spent by about February.  He managed to eek out another 18 months at coventry after that but mainly because he was the player manager and kept picking himself.

That's the concern as I've said a few times, at that age things go south pretty quickly and Terry could be fine now and fucked by Christmas.
Centre half is one position that a lack of pace and slowing of reactions will leave you dreadfully exposed.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Damo70 on June 30, 2017, 04:16:42 PM
Talking to a Villa fan mate of mine on the phone earlier I said the problem was that we have no form guide for him from last season. If he had had a fantastic full season last time round we could point to that.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: AV5nobs on June 30, 2017, 04:21:55 PM
It has been alluded to that due to a player not convicted of racism by law, potentially joining our great club, that ethnic juveniles in Brum may choose to support Man Utd or Arsenal, strange I've never seen a Man Utd shirt round here before.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: CT on June 30, 2017, 04:36:21 PM
It has been alluded to that due to a player not convicted of racism by law, potentially joining our great club, that ethnic juveniles in Brum may choose to support Man Utd or Arsenal, strange I've never seen a Man Utd shirt round here before.

Do you think it would be better all round if he joined SHA? Any drop in support wouldn't really be noticed then would it?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: KevinGage on June 30, 2017, 04:40:33 PM
Mcallister on the other hand is exactly what I'm worried about.  He was 35 when he signed for Liverpool and his first season was superb but the next season was a year too far and he looked spent by about February. 

I'm against this deal on so many levels.  But if- for the sake of argument- Terry tips the balance the way McAllister did for that Liverpool side, I'd have no complaints from a playing point of view. Even if he was only effective for 12 months.  I'd still be against the move for other reasons well covered by this point.

On the playing side, my concern is that this deal will be far more like the Joe Cole, Senderos, Kieran Richardson, Lescott masterstrokes we have pulled recently.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: AV5nobs on June 30, 2017, 04:42:35 PM
I would actually prefer any kid walking around the area wearing SHA, Sandwell or Wolves as opposed to the afore mentioned glory hunting shirts.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Leicester_Villian on June 30, 2017, 04:58:29 PM
If the JT contract was a one maybe two year at 50/60k a week with a bonus for promotion that would make good business sense .......... For the playing side of AVFC I believe it could be a positive move ........ he is a real leader which we lack .....Chester did well as captain but he is not vocal as JT would be.
The negatives would be that there has been baggage in the past but I believe we need to put that to one side if it benefits us
There is a massive difference between Prem and our current level ...even Lescott may have looked capable (only maybe)
If Ruddy came in also you are starting to see the strong spine which we have lacked
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: paul_e on June 30, 2017, 04:59:44 PM
Mcallister on the other hand is exactly what I'm worried about.  He was 35 when he signed for Liverpool and his first season was superb but the next season was a year too far and he looked spent by about February. 

I'm against this deal on so many levels.  But if- for the sake of argument- Terry tips the balance the way McAllister did for that Liverpool side, I'd have no complaints from a playing point of view. Even if he was only effective for 12 months.  I'd still be against the move for other reasons well covered by this point.

On the playing side, my concern is that this deal will be far more like the Joe Cole, Senderos, Kieran Richardson, Lescott masterstrokes we have pulled recently.

Absolutely, but Mcallister, when he joined Liverpool, was a year younger than Terry is.  It that' drop off around his 37th birthday that is the concern.  There's a reason why you don't see many players that old still playing.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: eamonn on June 30, 2017, 05:22:25 PM
My next door neighbours are black and there 12 year old son is very excited at the thought of JT wearing our claret and blue, and he's aware of the whole racist remarks.



What's your point?

He's anecdotally debunking the theory posited. Not going on large-sample sizes because he's not weird but by daily life as a human to whom this is a minor thing in the grand scheme so don't be so pissy with him, yeah?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: eamonn on June 30, 2017, 05:25:52 PM
I have noticed in recent years that Terry often goes out of his way to appear a decent human, like when he dedicated a Chelsea Chumps League win to the victims of a school bus crash in Europe a couple of years ago which seemed quite out of character (for most footballers, not just him to be fair.) Or how he was praised for dealing with a girl who was following him and his wife around a store swearing at him every few seconds. Over-compensating for the reputation that precedes, maybe.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Clampy on June 30, 2017, 05:45:40 PM
Didn't he pay for a young girl's funeral a few years back?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: brian green on June 30, 2017, 06:06:01 PM
I do not think I am alone in saying that my opinion of John Terry will not change if we storm the league or struggle again.  Not all of us are so shallow that his playing performance will change our view of the man.  My objections are that the pursuit of John Terry perpetuates the three vices that have put us where we are.  1.  Lazy, quick fix management.  2. Profligacy with the owner's money.  3. Unecessary risk taking. 

I will save my cheering for other Villa player's.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on June 30, 2017, 06:17:04 PM
John Terry ........................I would prefer we sign June and Terry
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Newby on June 30, 2017, 06:17:32 PM
I guess it's a matter of perspective. I don't really like Terry for his antics on and off the pitch, but he is not Jimmy Saville, Fred West or an IS terrorist. If he signs, which seems likely, I still won't like him but I will support the team with or without him in it. It's a risk in as much that his legs might be gone, the expense and the reputation of the club.  That said, I think other clubs will hopefully fear us all the more.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: LeeB on June 30, 2017, 06:21:49 PM
John Terry ........................I would prefer we sign June and Terry

Still time to sign Terry in June.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cheltenhamlion on June 30, 2017, 06:23:26 PM
Time to hold your nose folks it seems.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: AV5nobs on June 30, 2017, 06:28:05 PM
JT is not be a stranger to being abused, alienated, etc...he will get over a small minority of people refusing to cheer when his name appears, lack of JT shirts sold or fanzines going into meltdown.

Trust me if Villa start well the Holte will be singing his name.

Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 30, 2017, 06:30:27 PM
Who's going to boycott then? PWS sent his season ticket back yet?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on June 30, 2017, 06:34:43 PM
I'm going to bite my lip if it's a one off - but if we sign Luis Suarez as well, I'm done.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on June 30, 2017, 06:39:37 PM
I'm going to bite my lip if it's a one off - but if we sign Luis Suarez as well, I'm done.

Its all right Suarez will bite it off for you !
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 30, 2017, 06:47:55 PM
Who's going to boycott then? PWS sent his season ticket back yet?

Considered it, but I can't justify following a team that has a rapist playing for them and refusing to follow a team that has a racist.

Like with Goodwillie, I'll still support the team but I won't cheer for Terry.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: stuart445 on June 30, 2017, 06:55:13 PM
Trying to link politics to this was inflammatory and foolish. Maybe some leave voters suspect this country can't support an ever growing population, especially with severe cuts in public services.

Well by voting to leave means that there will be even more cuts to the already thread bare public service. So leaving the EU isn't going to improve things it's going to cause more damage is anything.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: AV5nobs on June 30, 2017, 06:56:55 PM
When a goal goes in I'm sure Terry will definitely be able to identify whom from the 35k is standing and clapping with a moral high ground.

Behave
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: TheMalandro on June 30, 2017, 06:57:38 PM
Who's going to boycott then? PWS sent his season ticket back yet?

Considered it, but I can't justify following a team that has a rapist playing for them and refusing to follow a team that has a racist.

Like with Goodwillie, I'll still support the team but I won't cheer for Terry.

What other teams do you like? I fancy a flutter on Adam Johnsons next destination.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 30, 2017, 07:17:05 PM
Who's going to boycott then? PWS sent his season ticket back yet?

I don't have a ST to send back. I won't be going to as many games as usual though.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: LeeB on June 30, 2017, 07:17:15 PM
Trying to link politics to this was inflammatory and foolish. Maybe some leave voters suspect this country can't support an ever growing population, especially with severe cuts in public services.

Well by voting to leave means that there will be even more cuts to the already thread bare public service. So leaving the EU isn't going to improve things it's going to cause more damage is anything.

It's a funny post, complaining about bringing politics into the thread and then making a specific political point. I've seen a similar instances on Facebook, and I can only conclude that the claimant is not offended by the politics as such, more that they disagree with them.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on June 30, 2017, 07:17:43 PM
When a goal goes in I'm sure Terry will definitely be able to identify whom from the 35k is standing and clapping with a moral high ground.

Behave

Not liking racists = moral high ground. 

Oh well, at least you're consistent.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: AV5nobs on June 30, 2017, 08:02:17 PM
Point being people either don't subscribe to a footballer saying one sentence or they they do but can't be arsed to spend money and time to go to a stadium and refuse to celebrate a goal / win because of one sentence from a footballer.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: BegbieAV on June 30, 2017, 08:06:21 PM
For all his faults Terry is a born winner, he has to win and he's a bad loser, that sort of mentality you don't lose. A bit of fight for a change wouldn't go amiss
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on June 30, 2017, 08:09:15 PM
What's that Snobs? You can subscribe to John Terry's racism?! Do you get a free gift?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: AV5nobs on June 30, 2017, 08:14:02 PM
Please provide proof of criminal racism charges or is it just your opinion that one exchange makes one a racist?

Do educate me.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Dave on June 30, 2017, 08:14:15 PM
he is a real leader which we lack .....Chester did well as captain but he is not vocal as JT would be.

Does the bit of elastic around Chester's arm stop the other players from hearing Terry shouting things?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: AV5nobs on June 30, 2017, 08:16:46 PM
Hopefully he will be shouting how to pass a ball correctly unlike our inadequate back four.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 30, 2017, 08:20:38 PM
Who's going to boycott then? PWS sent his season ticket back yet?

Considered it, but I can't justify following a team that has a rapist playing for them and refusing to follow a team that has a racist.

Like with Goodwillie, I'll still support the team but I won't cheer for Terry.

What other teams do you like? I fancy a flutter on Adam Johnsons next destination.

I like Athletic Bilbao, but I'm fairly certain they won't sign him. Unless he's got a Basque granddad.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on June 30, 2017, 08:31:49 PM
Please provide proof of criminal racism charges or is it just your opinion that one exchange makes one a racist?

Do educate me.

What's the point? You don't want to be educated. I've answered that question already. Lots of people besides me have expressed legitimate reasons why they're uncomfortable with this signing, yet you still think supercilious crowing is the appropriate tone. It's getting a bit tedious now.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: The Edge on June 30, 2017, 08:32:11 PM
Who's going to boycott then? PWS sent his season ticket back yet?

I don't have a ST to send back. I won't be going to as many games as usual though.
Come on. If we have a good season and we're fighting for the league you won't be able to stop yourself.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: AV5nobs on June 30, 2017, 08:36:46 PM
You've answered the question.

And yes it's become tedious.

Roll on JT signing
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 30, 2017, 08:38:55 PM
Who's going to boycott then? PWS sent his season ticket back yet?

I don't have a ST to send back. I won't be going to as many games as usual though.
Come on. If we have a good season and we're fighting for the league you won't be able to help yourself.

Actually it's pretty easy to. I can't be arsed going into the whys etc, but i've done it before. I didn't renew that summer and never saw a game as we stormed to the top of the league under JG. I went to a couple of games at the end of the season. From ST to 2 or 3 games.

I couldn't care less if folks agree with me, they can go to VP in full Chelsea kit with 'Terry' on the back wearing a EBJT mask for all I care, They do what they want, i'll do what's right for me. Unlike at least one person on this thread is with anyone who doesn't like Terry signing, i'm not telling people they are wrong for being fine with him signing. Do your own thing.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: four fornicholl on June 30, 2017, 08:41:01 PM
Who's going to boycott then? PWS sent his season ticket back yet?

I don't have a ST to send back. I won't be going to as many games as usual though.
Come on. If we have a good season and we're fighting for the league you won't be able to stop yourself.
It's going to be a bit surreal having him playing for us, but if he he takes us up I would shake his hand. Whilst containing my inner reservations. UTV.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: AV5nobs on June 30, 2017, 08:41:51 PM
Amen
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on June 30, 2017, 09:23:30 PM
Well I don't agree with the transfer due to him being passed it but as with any other Villa player welcome JT.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on June 30, 2017, 09:29:37 PM
If he is here, then good luck man. Get us promoted, wear the sacred colours with pride and be a model professional. Villa fans are a open minded bunch so he will be given a chance I know that.

Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: CT on June 30, 2017, 09:36:08 PM
It was pointed out to me that it will be the second year running we've signed a player who had just won a PL medal.

Let's hope his season lasts a little longer than Ritchie De Laet's!
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on June 30, 2017, 09:45:28 PM
It was pointed out to me that it will be the second year running we've signed a player who had just won a PL medal.

Let's hope his season lasts a little longer than Ritchie De Laet's!

I had forgotten about him! Hopefully he can contribute this season!
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: PaulTheVillan on June 30, 2017, 10:08:36 PM
Hopefully this really does mean we can fuck Micah Richards off.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 30, 2017, 10:17:10 PM
Hopefully this really does mean we can fuck Micah Richards off.
Hard to imagine how EBJTwould address this matter.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Londonvilla on June 30, 2017, 10:50:54 PM
http://talksport.com/football/john-terry-agrees-join-aston-villa-one-year-deal-reports-170630244971

John Terry agrees to join Aston Villa on one-year deal

The sideshow begins....................Welcome Mr Terry
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: caster troy on June 30, 2017, 11:33:55 PM
This can't be real surely?

If true I think this will be the most embarrassing thing Villa have done since McLeish came in, which is really saying something. I've been pretty heartbroken at how low we've sunk, it's made me fall out of love with football (I barely watch any games these days) And now this, my most hated player of all time supposedly signing for us? Wake me when this nightmare is over.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on June 30, 2017, 11:36:21 PM
That's the spirit.  I think he's passed it but I still think it's amusing he's picked us over smethwick.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: OzVilla on June 30, 2017, 11:36:45 PM
I'm ok with it, if we refused to sign any footballers that had ever behaved like dickheads in the past we'd struggle to get a decent side out.

I'm far more concerned about scoring goals next season than this.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Dave on June 30, 2017, 11:43:54 PM
I'm ok with it, if we refused to sign any footballers that had ever behaved like dickheads in the past we'd struggle to get a decent side out.

On the flip side, if we refused to sign any footballers banned for racist behaviour then we would have signed all the same players that we actually signed.

Until this one.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: He wears a magic hat on July 01, 2017, 12:27:29 AM
We are about to sign a player that has been arguably the best defender in the country for the last god knows how many years and all we do is moan about what an arsehole he is despite him being found not guilty in a court of law.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: VancouverLion on July 01, 2017, 12:43:41 AM
This can't be real surely?

If true I think this will be the most embarrassing thing Villa have done since McLeish came in, which is really saying something. I've been pretty heartbroken at how low we've sunk, it's made me fall out of love with football (I barely watch any games these days) And now this, my most hated player of all time supposedly signing for us? Wake me when this nightmare is over.
Are you for real?! Lol!!!
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: garyshawsknee on July 01, 2017, 12:54:21 AM
This can't be real surely?

If true I think this will be the most embarrassing thing Villa have done since McLeish came in, which is really saying something. I've been pretty heartbroken at how low we've sunk, it's made me fall out of love with football (I barely watch any games these days) And now this, my most hated player of all time supposedly signing for us? Wake me when this nightmare is over.

I do know what you mean. I've slated and moaned about Terry for years. If he gets us promoted, ill probably turn into the biggest hypocrite known to man.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 01, 2017, 01:17:12 AM
When has a decrepit, racist centre-half ever got a team promoted?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Smoke on July 01, 2017, 01:18:07 AM
The kind of big name that the refs will love chatting to and having reffed a game with him in.
Wouldn't be suprised to see us get less harsh yellows and silly red cards with him in the team, we might finally get some 'big club' treatment we've been on otherside of for years.

Does [arry mode] Top Top Playa [/arry mode] experience and vision win over sheer pace in this league? possibly. Looks like we're about to find out!
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 01, 2017, 01:21:06 AM
We're the biggest club in the second division. And, sadly, we're acting like it.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: The_Rev1 on July 01, 2017, 01:32:57 AM
It doesn't strike me as a particularly good bit of business from a footballing point of view.  We had one of the best defences in the league last season, it was lack of goals which cost us, and the Chester Baker partnership seems more than good enough for the Championship.  I can't see how Terry can do much on the pitch to solve our issues going forwards, he's probably better than Nathan Baker but not £100k a week or whatever he'll be getting paid better, so I can't see the point beyond the fact that he's a "name" and Xia thinks bringing him in is a statement of intent which will attract other players and sponsors to the club, I mean a pre season tour of China will probably generate more press if we've got a player in the team that the locals have actually heard of. 

Thing is, Terry is an arsehole.  I kinda like disliking him.  Maybe he'll be brilliant but part of me wonders if a guy so synonymous with one club will have his heart in it when he moves to another. I'm guessing his family will be staying in Surrey while he's in digs up in Brum somewhere. Will Terry be meeting people, shaking hands, making things happen off the pitch in an ambassadorial role or will he shooting off back down the M40 every chance he gets?   Hopefully I'm won over, but as I stand right now I just don't get it.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: brentastonb6 on July 01, 2017, 02:18:02 AM
When has a decrepit, racist centre-half ever got a team promoted?
Next year hopefully?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 01, 2017, 03:12:36 AM
When has a decrepit, racist centre-half ever got a team promoted?
Next year hopefully?

Hopefully.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: AV5nobs on July 01, 2017, 04:02:22 AM
Always a first time for everything.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: AV5nobs on July 01, 2017, 06:47:03 AM
My next door neighbours are black and there 12 year old son is very excited at the thought of JT wearing our claret and blue, and he's aware of the whole racist remarks.



What are the chances?

What, a black family supporting Villa in suburban Birmingham?

Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: brian green on July 01, 2017, 09:13:47 AM
I thought suburban Birmingham was Solihull.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Clampy on July 01, 2017, 09:44:58 AM
I went for the 'don't care' option. Not that I didn't care but I was neither totally for or totally against it. Anyway, it looks like he's here now so the best thing to do is wish him luck and hope it works out for us.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: LeeB on July 01, 2017, 09:47:46 AM
My next door neighbours are black and there 12 year old son is very excited at the thought of JT wearing our claret and blue, and he's aware of the whole racist remarks.



What are the chances?

What, a black family supporting Villa in suburban Birmingham?



That you just happened to live next to a black family that had a 12 year old Villa fan, and that his thoughts on Terry are in line with your reasoning.

You never mentioned his take on Gazza's racist remarks when you were defending him last year, that's all.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: brian green on July 01, 2017, 10:08:02 AM
For the first time since Tony Xia took over I begin to have niggling doubts about him.  He seemed to want RDM because he was a high profile known name.  Now he seems to backing the use of a substantial amount of his money with the same motivation.  Our priorities should be the maximisation of the abilities of a talented squad.  Picking the right teams, playing them in their best positions, being tactically astute, getting the team fully fit, building team spirit, getting rid of dead wood from the squad.  Instead the focus has shifted to us becoming John Terry's Aston Villa.

The first half dozen games of the new season are as important as any in our history.  I wish I was more confident.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: andyh on July 01, 2017, 10:12:20 AM
For the first time since Tony Xia took over I begin to have niggling doubts about him.  He seemed to want RDM because he was a high profile known name.  Now he seems to backing the use of a substantial amount of his money with the same motivation.  Our priorities should be the maximisation of the abilities of a talented squad.  Picking the right teams, playing them in their best positions, being tactically astute, getting the team fully fit, building team spirit, getting rid of dead wood from the squad.  Instead the focus has shifted to us becoming John Terry's Aston Villa.

The first half dozen games of the new season are as important as any in our history.  I wish I was more confident.
Completely agree.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Richard E on July 01, 2017, 10:16:41 AM
Possibly. It depends whether it's Bruce or Dr Tony who really wants him.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: brian green on July 01, 2017, 10:22:09 AM
No way Bruce would be allowed to spend that amount of money without consulting the owner.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Clampy on July 01, 2017, 10:25:53 AM
No way Bruce would be allowed to spend that amount of money without consulting the owner.

I presume that's the case for all transfers. The manager says who he wants and if it's financially viable, they try and do it.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: amfy on July 01, 2017, 10:26:34 AM
Yes but there is a difference between Xia wanting big names and Xia backing his manager.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: mr underhill on July 01, 2017, 10:40:34 AM
I see trouble ahead.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 01, 2017, 10:48:09 AM
I can understand the concerns. It already looks like Bruce is going to indulge him and give him the captaincy straight away which I'm dead against so that part I don't like if it happens.

Point was made somewhere in the press yesterday that lots of clubs when they're trying to improve the mentality and winning ability of a squad get in an old player to help.

Chelsea did it in the mid 90s with Gullit, Man. City did it with Vieria and Liverpool did it with Gary Mac in 2001. All seen as passed it when they signed although non of them were convicted racists I concede.

If we were doing this at prem level I'd be massively concerned that he'd be another Ginola, Joe Cole or Schmiechel. Fine players but all way past their best when they signed.

At this level I just don't see him being found out as the standard is really poor.

Yes we were miles off promotion but that to me was down to our mentality and terrible lack of fighting spirit. It was a joke we pretty much lost every game last season when we concede first. Hopefully he'll help to correct that.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Monty on July 01, 2017, 11:01:50 AM
I think it's a low moment, and funnily enough I don't even care if he improves us. But, more's the point, is he really the very best we can do for the money we're paying him? Or is Bruce just being an unimaginative starfucker here?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 01, 2017, 11:03:57 AM
Yes but there is a difference between Xia wanting big names and Xia backing his manager.

100% and I think based on those golf days it's more likely to be the latter.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: itbrvilla on July 01, 2017, 11:08:19 AM
I think it's a low moment, and funnily enough I don't even care if he improves us. But, more's the point, is he really the very best we can do for the money we're paying him? Or is Bruce just being an unimaginative starfucker here?
Agree totally. Just come firms my opinion of him. Another chancer that is out of his depth with no imagination  and no idea of what we need.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 01, 2017, 11:16:53 AM
I think it's a low moment, and funnily enough I don't even care if he improves us. But, more's the point, is he really the very best we can do for the money we're paying him? Or is Bruce just being an unimaginative starfucker here?
Agree totally. Just come firms my opinion of him. Another chancer that is out of his depth with no imagination  and no idea of what we need.

Well we don't know really. If his level hasn't declined too much then he is the best we can get for that money. If his level is like 75% of what he used to be he'll be the best defender in the league by a distance. It's just that if, which we won't know until he's playing.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Chris Jameson on July 01, 2017, 11:21:11 AM
It's going to happen isn't it? I hate the thought of him in a Villa shirt, I don't understand the signing at all.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 01, 2017, 11:23:52 AM
I get the signing from a footballing perspective, subject to the 'if' I mentioned above. Combined with the fact he could probably get easier gigs for more money, which suggests he still has motivation to achieve something. But yeah the character element is the big red flag.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: avfcpg on July 01, 2017, 11:25:12 AM
Weird signing...and not my favorite by any means. Will he improve us? Yes, even though the defence wasn't a major issue. IMO it's not leaders, winners, experience and such like that we need most. We need Bruce to sort this formation and style of playing out. That the major issue for me.

Anyway, my love for Villa is greater than my disliking of Terry so if it improves us on the pitch then all well and good with me. 
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: AV5nobs on July 01, 2017, 11:32:55 AM
Weird signing...and not my favorite by any means. Will he improve us? Yes, even though the defence wasn't a major issue. IMO it's not leaders, winners, experience and such like that we need most. We need Bruce to sort this formation and style of playing out. That the major issue for me.

Anyway, my love for Villa is greater than my disliking of Terry so if it improves us on the pitch then all well and good with me.

Most sensible and honest post of the year by far.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Ads on July 01, 2017, 11:57:44 AM
A question;

It's October (you see where this is going?), you're in Mordor, it's the 95th minute and it's 1-1 in the battle between good and evil. A corner to us at the Agbonlahor End. It's whipped in. John Terry rises like a Grand Wizard. He bladders the ball into the net.

What do you do?

You charge down the front like an extra in Braveheart (silly film)? You tut loudly? You're not watching as you're boycotting?

Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: KevinGage on July 01, 2017, 12:07:16 PM
Cheer the goal not the man? 

I had no problems celebrating that shitbag Agbonlahor's goal against SHA, for example.

A far more likely scenario is 97 year-old John Terry won't be lasting until the 95th minute anyroad.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Chris Jameson on July 01, 2017, 12:13:18 PM
If it's on the TV there is no chance i'll still be awake by the 95th minute.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Taylor on July 01, 2017, 12:42:41 PM
Weird signing...and not my favorite by any means. Will he improve us? Yes, even though the defence wasn't a major issue. IMO it's not leaders, winners, experience and such like that we need most. We need Bruce to sort this formation and style of playing out. That the major issue for me.

Anyway, my love for Villa is greater than my disliking of Terry so if it improves us on the pitch then all well and good with me.

Most sensible and honest post of the year by far.
Spot on.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: The Edge on July 01, 2017, 12:49:03 PM
Weird signing...and not my favorite by any means. Will he improve us? Yes, even though the defence wasn't a major issue. IMO it's not leaders, winners, experience and such like that we need most. We need Bruce to sort this formation and style of playing out. That the major issue for me.

Anyway, my love for Villa is greater than my disliking of Terry so if it improves us on the pitch then all well and good with me.
Common sense prevails.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: saunders_heroes on July 01, 2017, 01:11:02 PM
For the first time since Tony Xia took over I begin to have niggling doubts about him.  He seemed to want RDM because he was a high profile known name.  Now he seems to backing the use of a substantial amount of his money with the same motivation.  Our priorities should be the maximisation of the abilities of a talented squad.  Picking the right teams, playing them in their best positions, being tactically astute, getting the team fully fit, building team spirit, getting rid of dead wood from the squad.  Instead the focus has shifted to us becoming John Terry's Aston Villa.

The first half dozen games of the new season are as important as any in our history.  I wish I was more confident.

I think you're trying to suggest that Xia is trying to inflict certain players onto the manager. I think Bruce would walk if it was the chairman buying the players and not the manager.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: The Man With A Stick on July 01, 2017, 01:18:31 PM
This can't be real surely?

If true I think this will be the most embarrassing thing Villa have done since McLeish came in, which is really saying something. I've been pretty heartbroken at how low we've sunk, it's made me fall out of love with football (I barely watch any games these days) And now this, my most hated player of all time supposedly signing for us? Wake me when this nightmare is over.

More embarrassing than relegation, countless cup defeats against lower league shite or having Chelsea, Liverpool and Southampton put at least 5 past us?

I don't particularly like the man either but like all new signings we should wipe the slate clean and give him a chance.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: saunders_heroes on July 01, 2017, 01:29:55 PM
This can't be real surely?

If true I think this will be the most embarrassing thing Villa have done since McLeish came in, which is really saying something. I've been pretty heartbroken at how low we've sunk, it's made me fall out of love with football (I barely watch any games these days) And now this, my most hated player of all time supposedly signing for us? Wake me when this nightmare is over.

More embarrassing than relegation, countless cup defeats against lower league shite or having Chelsea, Liverpool and Southampton put at least 5 past us?

I don't particularly like the man either but like all new signings we should wipe the slate clean and give him a chance.

Spot on. Such an over the top reaction considering the shit this club has been through since 2010.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Clampy on July 01, 2017, 01:34:14 PM
For the first time since Tony Xia took over I begin to have niggling doubts about him.  He seemed to want RDM because he was a high profile known name.  Now he seems to backing the use of a substantial amount of his money with the same motivation.  Our priorities should be the maximisation of the abilities of a talented squad.  Picking the right teams, playing them in their best positions, being tactically astute, getting the team fully fit, building team spirit, getting rid of dead wood from the squad.  Instead the focus has shifted to us becoming John Terry's Aston Villa.

The first half dozen games of the new season are as important as any in our history.  I wish I was more confident.

I think you're trying to suggest that Xia is trying to inflict certain players onto the manager. I think Bruce would walk if it was the chairman buying the players and not the manager.

Yep. He walked out on Hull because he wasn't happy.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 01, 2017, 01:58:13 PM
This can't be real surely?

If true I think this will be the most embarrassing thing Villa have done since McLeish came in, which is really saying something. I've been pretty heartbroken at how low we've sunk, it's made me fall out of love with football (I barely watch any games these days) And now this, my most hated player of all time supposedly signing for us? Wake me when this nightmare is over.

More embarrassing than relegation, countless cup defeats against lower league shite or having Chelsea, Liverpool and Southampton put at least 5 past us?

I don't particularly like the man either but like all new signings we should wipe the slate clean and give him a chance.

He's not like all new signings. He's a racist.

Let some c***s like Millwall or Lazio have him.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: KRS on July 01, 2017, 03:46:42 PM
Pretty sure this was a coincidence but I saw Reginald D Hunter on Live at the Apollo talking about John Terry the other night. I can't find the clip and it's in no way justifying racism, but if he can accept it and make a joke out of it then just may be some on here are taking this hatred towards JT a little but over the top. For the record, I think JT is a complete fucktard but as someone else had said, my love for the Villa is greater than my hatred of JT.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: CT on July 01, 2017, 04:16:24 PM
Pretty sure this was a coincidence but I saw Reginald D Hunter on Live at the Apollo talking about John Terry the other night. I can't find the clip and it's in no way justifying racism, but if he can accept it and make a joke out of it then just may be some on here are taking this hatred towards JT a little but over the top. For the record, I think JT is a complete fucktard but as someone else had said, my love for the Villa is greater than my hatred of JT.

Yep, I saw that the other night too.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: eamonn on July 01, 2017, 04:24:12 PM
And did it make you change your mind on Jerry?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Villan For Life on July 01, 2017, 04:26:47 PM
And did it make you change your mind on Jerry?

I've always preferred Tom & Barbara but Margot was a handful.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: in exile on July 01, 2017, 05:46:10 PM
And did it make you change your mind on Jerry?

I've always preferred Tom & Barbara but Margot was a handful.

That Sir, was brilliant!
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Villafirst on July 01, 2017, 08:31:52 PM
Welcome John Terry.....he'll be a great signing. A leader and good organisor in defence. Him and Chester will be solid at the back. About time we had a winner in the dressing room.....
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: postal on July 01, 2017, 11:13:54 PM
Do I 'like' JT? Not really, but as long as he can create a positive aura in the team when things aren't going well, then good.

But I'd rather not see him here.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: olaftab on July 02, 2017, 12:16:28 AM
I would actually prefer any kid walking around the area wearing SHA, Sandwell or Wolves as opposed to the afore mentioned glory hunting shirts.
Yes agreed.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: olaftab on July 02, 2017, 12:21:40 AM
For the first time since Tony Xia took over I begin to have niggling doubts about him.  He seemed to want RDM because he was a high profile known name.  Now he seems to backing the use of a substantial amount of his money with the same motivation.  Our priorities should be the maximisation of the abilities of a talented squad.  Picking the right teams, playing them in their best positions, being tactically astute, getting the team fully fit, building team spirit, getting rid of dead wood from the squad.  Instead the focus has shifted to us becoming John Terry's Aston Villa.

The first half dozen games of the new season are as important as any in our history.  I wish I was more confident.

I think you're trying to suggest that Xia is trying to inflict certain players onto the manager. I think Bruce would walk if it was the chairman buying the players and not the manager.
He is not suggesting that at all. It's an observation that rather than being a resolute club builder Xia is more of a glory hunting publicity seeker.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: BC54 VFC on July 02, 2017, 12:37:53 AM
For the first time since Tony Xia took over I begin to have niggling doubts about him.  He seemed to want RDM because he was a high profile known name.  Now he seems to backing the use of a substantial amount of his money with the same motivation.  Our priorities should be the maximisation of the abilities of a talented squad.  Picking the right teams, playing them in their best positions, being tactically astute, getting the team fully fit, building team spirit, getting rid of dead wood from the squad.  Instead the focus has shifted to us becoming John Terry's Aston Villa.

The first half dozen games of the new season are as important as any in our history.  I wish I was more confident.
Spot on.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on July 02, 2017, 12:56:04 AM
For the first time since Tony Xia took over I begin to have niggling doubts about him.  He seemed to want RDM because he was a high profile known name.  Now he seems to backing the use of a substantial amount of his money with the same motivation.  Our priorities should be the maximisation of the abilities of a talented squad.  Picking the right teams, playing them in their best positions, being tactically astute, getting the team fully fit, building team spirit, getting rid of dead wood from the squad.  Instead the focus has shifted to us becoming John Terry's Aston Villa.

The first half dozen games of the new season are as important as any in our history.  I wish I was more confident.

I think you're trying to suggest that Xia is trying to inflict certain players onto the manager. I think Bruce would walk if it was the chairman buying the players and not the manager.
He is not suggesting that at all. It's an observation that rather than being a resolute club builder Xia is more of a glory hunting publicity seeker.

I dunno though. I mean he could look at it like "All I have done with Aston Villa is try and get winners". If you are looking for a pattern in Xia thats what he has done.

RDM - Champions League winning manager. get him in.
Bruce - Proven Championship winner, get him in.

Almost ALL of our signings under Xia have proven themselves at some level or another. I mean did any of us really object when he went out and got one of previous seasons top scorer's in the league? He just likes winners and is willing to pay for it.

I dont think he wants to get publicity, I think he just runs the club like many venture capital firms run companies. Just go buy proven talent and let them sort it out.

It hasnt worked so far but I think thats his methodology. I think he hates the idea of "young, cheap & hungry". He thinks thats way too risky. He wants proven winners is all.

My guess anyway.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Andy1874 on July 02, 2017, 01:35:10 AM
Anyone else noticed the drift in odds :/

I'd personally love him to sign.

He was 1/20 earlier for us, and 18s for sha. We're now 2/9 and them 3s.

Big drift ..
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Axl Rose on July 02, 2017, 03:43:23 AM
He's far more suited to Blues and Harry gobknapp. I hope they sign him.

We don't need such scoundrels at our great club.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: saunders_heroes on July 02, 2017, 08:08:18 AM
For the first time since Tony Xia took over I begin to have niggling doubts about him.  He seemed to want RDM because he was a high profile known name.  Now he seems to backing the use of a substantial amount of his money with the same motivation.  Our priorities should be the maximisation of the abilities of a talented squad.  Picking the right teams, playing them in their best positions, being tactically astute, getting the team fully fit, building team spirit, getting rid of dead wood from the squad.  Instead the focus has shifted to us becoming John Terry's Aston Villa.

The first half dozen games of the new season are as important as any in our history.  I wish I was more confident.

I think you're trying to suggest that Xia is trying to inflict certain players onto the manager. I think Bruce would walk if it was the chairman buying the players and not the manager.
He is not suggesting that at all. It's an observation that rather than being a resolute club builder Xia is more of a glory hunting publicity seeker.

I don't think I've ever heard Xia being interviewed on TV or the radio since the day he took over so how can anyone claim he's a glory hunting publicity seeker is beyond me. What are you basing this opinion on, his tweets?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Axl Rose on July 02, 2017, 08:30:37 AM
For the first time since Tony Xia took over I begin to have niggling doubts about him.  He seemed to want RDM because he was a high profile known name.  Now he seems to backing the use of a substantial amount of his money with the same motivation.  Our priorities should be the maximisation of the abilities of a talented squad.  Picking the right teams, playing them in their best positions, being tactically astute, getting the team fully fit, building team spirit, getting rid of dead wood from the squad.  Instead the focus has shifted to us becoming John Terry's Aston Villa.

The first half dozen games of the new season are as important as any in our history.  I wish I was more confident.

I think you're trying to suggest that Xia is trying to inflict certain players onto the manager. I think Bruce would walk if it was the chairman buying the players and not the manager.
He is not suggesting that at all. It's an observation that rather than being a resolute club builder Xia is more of a glory hunting publicity seeker.

I don't think I've ever heard Xia being interviewed on TV or the radio since the day he took over so how can anyone claim he's a glory hunting publicity seeker is beyond me. What are you basing this opinion on, his tweets?

I like the Dr, he's open, enthusiastic, communicates with fans, and is a breath of fresh air after the Lerner years.

I could see why people have the above-mentioned opinions of him, however. Some of his tweets do have an air of Trumpishness about them. But I see him as a bit of an eccentric. Which I like and support. After over five years of living and working in China, it's something that I know I craved to see more of there.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: mr underhill on July 02, 2017, 08:47:16 AM
isn't that because you were living in a one party conformist state?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: russon on July 02, 2017, 08:49:19 AM
I'd be pleased if we get him, fantastic player with the sort of on field presence we have been crying out for for years, vocal, committed, quality.

As for his off-field stuff well my moral compass was thrown in the bin after Gabby was permitted to treat our club the way he did then get recalled, he should never have played for us again. My expectations of modern day footballers and their ethics is so low now that I barely take their attributes as human beings into account anymore, I just watch 11 Villa shirts running around and the person that's filling each one I have no opinion on other than can he play football. Sad admission I know but it's the inevitable outcome to the steady demise of English football. Happy days!
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Axl Rose on July 02, 2017, 08:58:09 AM
isn't that because you were living in a one party conformist state?

Haha. On paper, yes.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: brian green on July 02, 2017, 09:03:32 AM
I have posted many times that I like Tony Xia, right from the very first when there were several on this forum making comparisons with the Small Heath hairdresser.  I would go further and say that in the last twelve months he has been the only real asset the club has had.

However, to return to my earlier point, I have no doubt at all that Tony Xia has been fully involved in the pursuit of John Terry.  Because the whole operation of bringing Terry in is a gamble, I have real concerns that Tony Xia is influenced by Terry's name and Terry's past achievements.  I never mentioned glory hunting but I will say that if we are to lift a trophy I would prefer it being lifted by James Chester.

My niggling doubts are that Tony Xia is perhaps showing a bit of the naivety that caused Randy Lerner to fail so spectacularly.  The assumption that if Terry scores a couple of goals all the Villa fans will love him is as naive as Lerner jumping in his plane to parachute Alex McLeish into Villa Park.  Couple of wins and the Villa fans will forget the Small Heath history.  The naivety was that Alex McLeish was a terrible manager not that he had previously managed Small Heath.

The real problem with John Terry is that he is yet another gamble with the future of the club at a time when we cannot afford to take more risks.  To think that the 37 year old is going to be some sort of panacea for all our problems is a drift back to naivety.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 02, 2017, 09:09:53 AM
Is a one year contract at the level we're talking really that much of a gamble? Especially as it is heavily based on getting us promoted.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 02, 2017, 09:24:31 AM
Why don't we just wait and see with Terry. It is a gamble, of course, but let's give the bloke a chance. I'm sure no one on here actually knows him, neither do I. If Bruce and Xia have met him and think it's the right move, let's back them. If Terry does well the Holte end will be chanting his name in no time. If he doesn't work out but the team is still doing well, Bruce and Xias culpability in picking him will be forgotten. There is a strong possibility for either of those scenarios occurring.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on July 02, 2017, 09:51:16 AM
I'm entirely in agreement with Brian Green's above post. Putting aside Terry's dubious character, his signing indicates a return to methods that have served us extremely badly and that I hoped we'd seen the back of.

Honestly, who amongst us thought that the final piece in the promotion jigsaw was an old centre-half? Almost no one, I should think. We all need to hope that this signing doesn't price us out of the ones we really need, otherwise it's an enormous gamble -
and as we've proved, we're bloody useless at gambling. The fact that we're dabbling in it again is very concerning.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Jimbo on July 02, 2017, 09:53:48 AM
If somebody asked me to think of the biggest wanker in football today I'd think of John Terry. Considering the competition out there, that makes him a colossal wanker, for all the reasons discussed above.

What Villa need, and have needed for some considerable time, is someone to make its highly paid, pampered and very comfortable footballers afraid of losing. So afraid that they won't let it happen. The kind of fear Ferguson instilled at Man United. The kind that makes players super vigilant, switched on and determined to win at all costs.

For many years successive owners, managers and captains have failed to do this. Arseholes like Richards, Gabby and Lescott have been allowed to take the piss. That carried on into last season with Fat Ross. There's still an "oh well, we lost" attitude at the club and it fucking reeks. If Terry's influence can have a "don't you fucking dare take the piss while I'm in this team" effect, then it's what we badly need.

Like Russon above, we've had so many wankers and arseholes play for, manage, own and run us over the years that I am inured to such arseholery. I don't expect to like modern day footballers. I just want Villa to act like a competitive fucking football club and be winners for once. I want to see us live up to our recently ditched motto.

We're not a fucking conference and banqueting facility, or a commercial partner for Fiat and Unibet. Our distant glories and lavish history mean absolutely fuck all if we can't put up a fight against Huddersfield and Brentford. I want to see us win football matches and haul ourselves out of this shit league. But we have no right to anything we're not prepared to sweat blood for.

It remains to be seen whether Terry can help in that regard, but that's why he's being brought in. If it works, I really won't care too much what a giant gnashing arsehole he is. They've been ten a penny at Villa.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Tugby Villain on July 02, 2017, 09:58:47 AM
If somebody asked me to think of the biggest wanker in football today I'd think of John Terry. Considering the competition out there, that makes him a colossal wanker, for all the reasons discussed above.

What Villa need, and have needed for some considerable time, is someone to make its highly paid, pampered and very comfortable footballers afraid of losing. So afraid that they won't let it happen. The kind of fear Ferguson instilled at Man United. The kind that makes players super vigilant, switched on and determined to win at all costs.

For many years successive owners, managers and captains have failed to do this. Arseholes like Richards, Gabby and Lescott have been allowed to take the piss. That carried on into last season with Fat Ross. There's still an "oh well, we lost" attitude at the club and it fucking reeks. If Terry's influence can have a "don't you fucking dare take the piss while I'm in this team" effect, then it's what we badly need.

Like Russon above, we've had so many wankers and arseholes play for, manage, own and run us over the years that I am inured to such arseholery. I don't expect to like modern day footballers. I just want Villa to act like a competitive fucking football club and be winners for once. I want to see us live up to our recently ditched motto.

We're not a fucking conference and banqueting facility, or a commercial partner for Fiat and Unibet. Our distant glories and lavish history mean absolutely fuck all if we can't put up a fight against Huddersfield and Brentford. I want to see us win football matches and haul ourselves out of this shit league. But we have no right to anything we're not prepared to sweat blood for.

It remains to be seen whether Terry can help in that regard, but that's why he's being brought in. If it works, I really won't care too much what a giant gnashing arsehole he is. They've been ten a penny at Villa.

Totally agree
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Clampy on July 02, 2017, 10:16:39 AM
I have posted many times that I like Tony Xia, right from the very first when there were several on this forum making comparisons with the Small Heath hairdresser.  I would go further and say that in the last twelve months he has been the only real asset the club has had.

However, to return to my earlier point, I have no doubt at all that Tony Xia has been fully involved in the pursuit of John Terry.  Because the whole operation of bringing Terry in is a gamble, I have real concerns that Tony Xia is influenced by Terry's name and Terry's past achievements.  I never mentioned glory hunting but I will say that if we are to lift a trophy I would prefer it being lifted by James Chester.

My niggling doubts are that Tony Xia is perhaps showing a bit of the naivety that caused Randy Lerner to fail so spectacularly.  The assumption that if Terry scores a couple of goals all the Villa fans will love him is as naive as Lerner jumping in his plane to parachute Alex McLeish into Villa Park.  Couple of wins and the Villa fans will forget the Small Heath history.  The naivety was that Alex McLeish was a terrible manager not that he had previously managed Small Heath.

The real problem with John Terry is that he is yet another gamble with the future of the club at a time when we cannot afford to take more risks.  To think that the 37 year old is going to be some sort of panacea for all our problems is a drift back to naivety.

I think both Bruce and Dr Tony are possibly in full agreement on it. If Bruce didn't want a 36 year old defender in his squad, then he'd say so. As for it being a gamble, is it really any more of a gamble than paying £12m for a player? Kodjia might not have been a success but he was. Most us of thought McCormack was a good buy but so far it's not happened.

Like Mr Griswold said, let's just see how it goes, because like with most transfers, you just don't know
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Newby on July 02, 2017, 10:18:23 AM
Spot on Jimbo. It's a gamble. Only time will see how reckless, or not, it is. I do think it's a bit eggs in one basket gamble for this season which might just cost Bruce his job.  This is the most important season in our modern history.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: brian green on July 02, 2017, 10:37:44 AM
My last post on Mr Terry.

As I said earlier the first six games of next season are of monumental importance.

If Terry comes and if he plays, those are the easy questions to answer.  Was he any good?  Can he improve us?  Is he past it?

By far the harder questions to ask are.  Are the player fit?  Are the players playing in the best formation?  Are the players playing to their full potential?  Is the manager being tactically astute?  Are the substitutes being used intelligently?  Is there a good team spirit?  Are the players confident?  Are we better at set pieces?  Are our young players being treated fairly?

If we are to go back to the Premiership the latter are the questions to be addressed not John Terry's value to us.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 02, 2017, 10:57:15 AM
We're making this all about Terry. Our ultimate outcome this season will be about what we do besides this signing. Who leaves and comes, what squad do we have come September 1? Is it balanced enough to outlast every other team? And maybe the signing of Terry will help tip the balance over one or two other signings who might have gone elsewhere.

£4-5m isn't a lot today. All footballers are gambles. We've signed loads of so called "certainties" over the years to find they are anything but, and for a lot more than this. So I'm willing to give him every opportunity to succeed and the person aside hope he has enough left in the tank for one more very good season.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: TopDeck113 on July 02, 2017, 11:05:37 AM
Russon and Jimbo have nailed it for me and I've reconsidered.  I won't change my opinion about Terry the man (or at least the man viewed through the prism of tabloid front and back page headlines).  However, my repeated retort down the years to the footballer-as-role-model bollocks has always been, if you want role models for your kids, don't introduce them to professional football.  So it you simply view Terry as an undoubted winner in the dog-eat-dog, narcissistic world populated by more than its fair share of sociopaths that is the top level professional game, there's a good chance that he'll do a job for us. 
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: andyh on July 02, 2017, 11:09:15 AM
Top post Jimbo.

I have spent years building up in intense hatred of Terry. To be honest, it wasn't that difficult.
Like you, the very last person I want at our club is that tosser.

BUT, I suppose we have to be pragmatic.

If he comes, and IF he brings the much desired and missing 'winning mentality', then we should swallow our pride and, as my daughter says, 'build a bridge, and get over it!'

Terry is just one more in the long list of arseholes and tossers to be associated with our club over the last few years.

The difference with him is that we really do know he is a proven winner.

I guess we'll just have to accept he is here and wish him luck in helping us get back to where we need to be.

I now going off to wash my mouth out with carbolic soap.




Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: postal on July 02, 2017, 11:27:43 AM
Terry has 'rolled' his sleeves up and got on with it for years...... for Chelsea.

The issue is, can he do it, for wherever he is next.

As others have said, we have to be pragmatic.

But, I don't think he would go somewhere, only to pick up a fat paycheck. He still wants to play, along with the fat paycheck. But he wouldn't want to be seen as a footballing joke.

Which is more than we can say for some who have joined Villa recently.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: eamonn on July 02, 2017, 12:06:33 PM
Can this be put to bed soon re whether he's signing or not? Seems to have gone on for donkeys.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: ozzjim on July 02, 2017, 01:19:24 PM
Eamon come on mate. It's Villa. Done and dusted in a few days just is not in the script.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Pete3206 on July 02, 2017, 01:28:08 PM
As long as our players remember to grease their drainpipes, it'll be fine.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: The Edge on July 02, 2017, 02:06:05 PM
I have posted many times that I like Tony Xia, right from the very first when there were several on this forum making comparisons with the Small Heath hairdresser.  I would go further and say that in the last twelve months he has been the only real asset the club has had.

However, to return to my earlier point, I have no doubt at all that Tony Xia has been fully involved in the pursuit of John Terry.  Because the whole operation of bringing Terry in is a gamble, I have real concerns that Tony Xia is influenced by Terry's name and Terry's past achievements.  I never mentioned glory hunting but I will say that if we are to lift a trophy I would prefer it being lifted by James Chester.

My niggling doubts are that Tony Xia is perhaps showing a bit of the naivety that caused Randy Lerner to fail so spectacularly.  The assumption that if Terry scores a couple of goals all the Villa fans will love him is as naive as Lerner jumping in his plane to parachute Alex McLeish into Villa Park.  Couple of wins and the Villa fans will forget the Small Heath history.  The naivety was that Alex McLeish was a terrible manager not that he had previously managed Small Heath.

The real problem with John Terry is that he is yet another gamble with the future of the club at a time when we cannot afford to take more risks.  To think that the 37 year old is going to be some sort of panacea for all our problems is a drift back to naivety.
I thought he was 36
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: The Edge on July 02, 2017, 02:08:37 PM
This can't be real surely?

If true I think this will be the most embarrassing thing Villa have done since McLeish came in, which is really saying something. I've been pretty heartbroken at how low we've sunk, it's made me fall out of love with football (I barely watch any games these days) And now this, my most hated player of all time supposedly signing for us? Wake me when this nightmare is over.

More embarrassing than relegation, countless cup defeats against lower league shite or having Chelsea, Liverpool and Southampton put at least 5 past us?

I don't particularly like the man either but like all new signings we should wipe the slate clean and give him a chance.

He's not like all new signings. He's a racist.

Let some c***s like Millwall or Lazio have him.
So signing John Terry will make us the same as Millwall or Lazio? Get a grip.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 02, 2017, 02:13:24 PM
No. Have I said that? I think we are better than them so shouldn't be signing racists.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: AV5nobs on July 02, 2017, 02:16:43 PM
Legally he's not a racist so it's subjective.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: The Edge on July 02, 2017, 02:19:16 PM
No. Have I said that? I think we are better than them so shouldn't be signing racists.
That seems to be what your implying. John Terry should only sign for a racist club like Lazio or Millwall.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 02, 2017, 02:44:33 PM
He should.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: AV5nobs on July 02, 2017, 02:52:52 PM
Can't wait for JT to sign.

Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: olaftab on July 02, 2017, 03:05:59 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes link=topic=57532.msg3283853#msg3283853 date
I don't think I've ever heard Xia being interviewed on TV or the radio since the day he took over so how can anyone claim he's a glory hunting publicity seeker is beyond me. What are you basing this opinion on, his tweets?
Yes of course his  childish tweets and the facts that he:
Appointed RDM a man with absolutely zero credibility as a team building coach on the basis that Chelsea won the CL when he was caretaker totally ignoring that he had been an abject failure in his last job.
He appointed Bruce ex manu multi trophy winning player who has never done any better than average 1.8 points per game on the second division as a coach.
And now this😟
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: The Edge on July 02, 2017, 03:06:10 PM
Has Paul Mgrath said anything about us signing JT? I'd be interested to hear his thoughts
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: mr underhill on July 02, 2017, 03:09:24 PM
your summation  excludes the four promotions he's secured from the Championship.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 02, 2017, 03:43:55 PM
Has Paul Mgrath said anything about us signing JT? I'd be interested to hear his thoughts

Why? Do we have to put our opinions on hold about signing a racist until our favourite black man speaks about it?

Also, McGrath is of a generation (and nationality) that sadly ensured that he endured far, far worse racism than that which Terry dished out. Perhaps his ability to forgive his own tormentors means that he's more inclined to acceptance of c*nts like Terry? Does that mean we have to agree? Isn't he also a Chelsea fan, which might also be a factor? Why does it matter?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 02, 2017, 03:50:45 PM
The apologists are ashamed and are looking for any excuse to assuage their guilt.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Chris Jameson on July 02, 2017, 03:56:43 PM
If we are to sign him ideally I'd like to see Villa win promotion without him spending a single minute on the pitch. That would be rather nice. Hate the thought of Captain Me in a Villa shirt.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: olaftab on July 02, 2017, 04:15:26 PM
Has Paul Mgrath said anything about us signing JT? I'd be interested to hear his thoughts

Why? Do we have to put our opinions on hold about signing a racist until our favourite black man speaks about it?

Also, McGrath is of a generation (and nationality) that sadly ensured that he endured far, far worse racism than that which Terry dished out. Perhaps his ability to forgive his own tormentors means that he's more inclined to acceptance of c*nts like Terry? Does that mean we have to agree? Isn't he also a Chelsea fan, which might also be a factor? Why does it matter?
Well said SE. It's much better and much more powerful when all people take a firm stand on racism not just black/coloured people.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 02, 2017, 04:27:42 PM
Has Paul Mgrath said anything about us signing JT? I'd be interested to hear his thoughts

Why? Do we have to put our opinions on hold about signing a racist until our favourite black man speaks about it?

Also, McGrath is of a generation (and nationality) that sadly ensured that he endured far, far worse racism than that which Terry dished out. Perhaps his ability to forgive his own tormentors means that he's more inclined to acceptance of c*nts like Terry? Does that mean we have to agree? Isn't he also a Chelsea fan, which might also be a factor? Why does it matter?
Well said SE. It's much better and much more powerful when all people take a firm stand on racism not just black/coloured people.

Thanks pal. Although it's a bit rum to automatically assume that I'm a pale, second-generation Irish pinko, just because I come across as a twat. I mean, I am, but check your privilege, bruv. Winking gent.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: KevinGage on July 02, 2017, 04:27:53 PM
The apologists are ashamed and are looking for any excuse to assuage their guilt.

I'm not even sure they are ashamed, sadly.

Calling someone a fxcking black cxnt in the workplace is just one of those things, it seems.

Man up, or go shopping with the missus. Or summat.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: olaftab on July 02, 2017, 04:34:21 PM
Thanks pal. Although it's a bit rum to automatically assume that I'm a pale, second-generation Irish pinko, just because I come across as a twat. I mean, I am, but check your privilege, bruv. Winking gent.
I had my suspicions about you ;)
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: N'ZMAV on July 02, 2017, 04:54:08 PM
I dislike John Terry as a man, I like him as a footballer.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: The Edge on July 02, 2017, 06:09:20 PM
Has Paul Mgrath said anything about us signing JT? I'd be interested to hear his thoughts

Why? Do we have to put our opinions on hold about signing a racist until our favourite black man speaks about it?

Also, McGrath is of a generation (and nationality) that sadly ensured that he endured far, far worse racism than that which Terry dished out. Perhaps his ability to forgive his own tormentors means that he's more inclined to acceptance of c*nts like Terry? Does that mean we have to agree? Isn't he also a Chelsea fan, which might also be a factor? Why does it matter?
Just wondered. Jeez
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 02, 2017, 06:16:30 PM
Why did you wonder?

Do you wonder what he thinks about the replacement for Villa Cash?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: CT on July 02, 2017, 06:19:04 PM
Personally, I hope James Chester remains as team captain. JT can show his leadership skills without needing an armband.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 02, 2017, 06:25:19 PM
Assuming this deal happens, I think that as many people as possible ought only to refer to him as John George Terry. Get as far away from the chummy 'JT' sobriquet as possible.
I am very petty though.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 02, 2017, 06:45:00 PM
If we are to sign him ideally I'd like to see Villa win promotion without him spending a single minute on the pitch. That would be rather nice. Hate the thought of Captain Me in a Villa shirt.

I imagine he'll spend most of his time in London, training alone and traveling up to Bodymoor Heath on a Friday morning before the game. Obviously not going to move up here for the season and can't see him too keen to commute on a daily basis. But fear not, he will turn up in full kit for the first team squad photo.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: chrisf on July 02, 2017, 06:55:30 PM
The apologists are ashamed and are looking for any excuse to assuage their guilt.

I'm not even sure they are ashamed, sadly.

Calling someone a fxcking black cxnt in the workplace is just one of those things, it seems.

Man up, or go shopping with the missus. Or summat.

I'm sure this is a trivial point in the scheme of things but wasn't he found not guilty by a court of law?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Woofles The Wonder Dog on July 02, 2017, 06:59:07 PM
If we are to sign him ideally I'd like to see Villa win promotion without him spending a single minute on the pitch. That would be rather nice. Hate the thought of Captain Me in a Villa shirt.

I imagine he'll spend most of his time in London, training alone and traveling up to Bodymoor Heath on a Friday morning before the game. Obviously not going to move up here for the season and can't see him too keen to commute on a daily basis. But fear not, he will turn up in full kit for the first team squad photo.

That is going to be one surreal picture. Steer clear of the brown acid everyone.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 02, 2017, 07:04:54 PM
The apologists are ashamed and are looking for any excuse to assuage their guilt.

I'm not even sure they are ashamed, sadly.

Calling someone a fxcking black cxnt in the workplace is just one of those things, it seems.

Man up, or go shopping with the missus. Or summat.

I'm sure this is a trivial point in the scheme of things but wasn't he found not guilty by a court of law?

Yes. Given the overwhelming evidence you need to get a conviction against a wealthy person that's hardly surprising.

The Football Association, working on the basis of balance of probabilities, found him guilty, banned him, and stripped him of the England captaincy.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: The Edge on July 02, 2017, 07:27:12 PM
Why did you wonder?

Do you wonder what he thinks about the replacement for Villa Cash?
You'll have to explain that one.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 02, 2017, 07:35:33 PM
I guess that stands to reason.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Clampy on July 02, 2017, 07:48:11 PM
The apologists are ashamed and are looking for any excuse to assuage their guilt.

Who are these apologists you speak of?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 02, 2017, 07:49:08 PM
Have a read through the thread. They know who they are.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: ozzjim on July 02, 2017, 07:51:04 PM
Have a read through the thread. They know who they are.

A fair summation.

It's a sad day. And while I will be delighted of we win the championship and go up this season him lifting the trophy would taint it for me. We have somewhat sold our souls to the devil on this one.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Clampy on July 02, 2017, 07:52:15 PM
Have a read through the thread. They know who they are.

People you disagree with by any chance?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 02, 2017, 08:24:10 PM
People that are apologists for racism. I thought it was fairly obvious. Clearly not.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on July 02, 2017, 08:50:03 PM
I know you guys were not talking about me but I am a bit taken aback by the strong inference that fellow Villa fans here are racist because they are willing to give him a chance here. Over the line and very unfair.

There is plenty to not like about him coming here football wise and character wise without slurring fellow fans.

Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 02, 2017, 08:51:40 PM
Not all, no. But a fair few on here.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 02, 2017, 08:54:38 PM
I know you guys were not talking about me but I am a bit taken aback by the strong inference that fellow Villa fans here are racist because they are willing to give him a chance here. Over the line and very unfair.

There is plenty to not like about him coming here football wise and character wise without slurring fellow fans.



I don't think anyone has said that anyone on here is racist. I'm a bit shocked that so many on here are comfortable with us signing a known racist.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on July 02, 2017, 09:02:01 PM
I respect the fact you take the issue seriously. I also respect the fact you dont want people whitewashing over a very important issue. But I think you have let your commitment to that noble cause cloud your judgement. Honestly, take a look again. Some fellow fans have also looked at the same evidence you have and come to a different conclusion. That doesnt mean they are racists, they just think justice has been served by an actual court and are willing to move on. Like Terry's team mates incidentally.

Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 02, 2017, 09:02:06 PM
I'm struggling to keep up, let me get it straight...

"Racist" = unacceptable slur.
"Fucking black c***" = perfectly acceptable, sign him up?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 02, 2017, 09:05:02 PM
I respect the fact you take the issue seriously. I also respect the fact you dont want people whitewashing over a very important issue. But I think you have let your commitment to that noble cause cloud your judgement. Honestly, take a look again. Some fellow fans have also looked at the same evidence you have and come to a different conclusion. That doesnt mean they are racists, they just think justice has been served by an actual court and are willing to move on. Like Terry's team mates incidentally.



As I wrote, I haven't seen anybody called a racist except John George Terry.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on July 02, 2017, 09:15:06 PM
I have always stood up against racism and always will - We all have the option to make our own stand against things we oppose -albeit  political, religious, racial etc.
Call me self righteous etc but I shall not be driving 200 miles (round trip) to watch Terry playing in a Villa shirt at B6 or elsewhere.
I might be cutting off my nose to spite my face but I believe that apathy towards such things does not help society rid us of outmoded ideals such as homophobia, racism and intolerance.
Villa will survive without me and I will survive without Villa - I just thought we had more class than employing the likes of Terry et al.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on July 02, 2017, 09:25:05 PM
I'm struggling to keep up, let me get it straight...

"Racist" = unacceptable slur.
"Fucking black c***" = perfectly acceptable, sign him up?

No. Not at all.

"Racist apologist" = unacceptable slur for fellow fans who disagree with you and do not believe he is a racist or happen to believe he has changed and justice was served.

It really is wrong and over the line, I respectfully ask you and SE think about it.

Again I am ON your bloody side :) The reason I am even saying anything is I did the same thing last week in a different context* and I regretted it afterwards.

spoiler politics
*
In the heat of the moment I called all USA Republicans racists. Many of my Republican friends didn't much like that :) Looking back I would have phrased it differently while keeping the same intent which was to hilight the racist actions of the Republican party.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 02, 2017, 09:31:25 PM
Well, the Republicans did get elected with the most explicitly racist agenda since George Wallace but, yeah, okay we can leave that.

I wasn't calling all of those who are accepting, or even keen, on the signing of Terry racist apologists.

However, there are a number of racist apologists who have exposed themselves on here. Notably the one (AVSnobs?) who suggested what Terry said was okay because we're all a bit racist and we all tell racist jokes really, or some shite like that.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 02, 2017, 09:39:00 PM
I'm struggling to keep up, let me get it straight...

"Racist" = unacceptable slur.
"Fucking black c***" = perfectly acceptable, sign him up?

No. Not at all.

"Racist apologist" = unacceptable slur for fellow fans who disagree with you and do not believe he is a racist or happen to believe he has changed and justice was served.

It really is wrong and over the line, I respectfully ask you and SE think about it.

Again I am ON your bloody side :) The reason I am even saying anything is I did the same thing last week in a different context* and I regretted it afterwards.

spoiler politics
*
In the heat of the moment I called all USA Republicans racists. Many of my Republican friends didn't much like that :) Looking back I would have phrased it differently while keeping the same intent which was to hilight the racist actions of the Republican party.


Why would anyone think that he wasn't racist? We have no evidence that he isn't and a big fat racial slur indicating that he is.

It's fine if you want us to sign him, and that obviously doesn't make you a racist or indeed a racist apologist, but to suggest that he isn't a despicable racist is ludicrous.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on July 02, 2017, 09:39:25 PM
Well, the Republicans did get elected with the most explicitly racist agenda since George Wallace but, yeah, okay we can leave that.

I wasn't calling all of those who are accepting, or even keen, on the signing of Terry racist apologists.

However, there are a number of racist apologists who have exposed themselves on here. Notably the one (AVSnobs?) who suggested what Terry said was okay because we're all a bit racist and we all tell racist jokes really, or some shite like that.

Thanks for the clarification, I am sure others also appreciate it. It came across rather different before. Yes the "well everyone does it" line really is not good when talking about racial abuse.

Thanks for taking the time to clarify.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: paul_e on July 02, 2017, 10:07:57 PM
I think there's a bit of a misunderstanding here.  There have been people who've said they're happy to overlook his baggage as they think he'll be a valuable player for us.  That's disagreeing but they weren't the target of the comment as I see it.  I think it was aimed at people doing the "well we've all done it" line of reasoning or likening it to games in the playground or arguing that he's not racist because a court said so.  Those people are being apologists, that doesn't make them racist though and I don't see any accusation of that in the last few pages.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 02, 2017, 10:12:15 PM
Yeah, that's pretty much it.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on July 02, 2017, 10:20:00 PM
Thanks gents. I appreciate it. I am happy I read it wrong. Hopefully others will also benefit from the clarification. If it was just me and I wasted a bunch of your time then apologies and thanks for taking the time to help me understand the intent.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 02, 2017, 10:23:45 PM
Paul Mariner backs John Terry for Aston Villa success.

I feel at ease now.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 02, 2017, 10:40:30 PM
Paul Mariner backs John Terry for Aston Villa success.

I feel at ease now.

Between him and Brazil I'm not sure which of them would want us to sink into non league most. Probably that bitter hot air ballon fuck Brazil if I was having a flutter.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 02, 2017, 10:44:04 PM
I confirm that the Terry to complete transfer to Aston Villa within the next 48 hours is on the yellow sky sports ticker tape thing. 
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: andyh on July 02, 2017, 10:54:03 PM
Done deal ?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/07/02/john-terry-decides-join-aston-villa-will-sign-imminently/


I think some sick just came up.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Chris Jameson on July 02, 2017, 11:06:32 PM
If he signs he will be the first player in Villa history that I truly despise before he's even had the opportunity to kick a ball for the club.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: amfy on July 02, 2017, 11:17:32 PM
I also wish to put in record that I am really pissed off by this signing. There can't have been many players I have hated more than him. I remember having a terrible row on the phone to my dad when he tried to stick up for him - the worst ever.

Having said that, if he turns out to be a genuinely strong asset to the team, and I show any signs at all of weakening and thinking that he is OK after all, please pour my drink over my head when you see me in The Bartons. Actually, no, punch me in the face, I'll deserve it.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: OCD on July 02, 2017, 11:37:59 PM
Done deal ?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/07/02/john-terry-decides-join-aston-villa-will-sign-imminently/


I think some sick just came up.

A division above us and a player, whatever you may think of him, chooses us over Albion.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 02, 2017, 11:41:43 PM
Done deal ?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/07/02/john-terry-decides-join-aston-villa-will-sign-imminently/


I think some sick just came up.

A division above us and a player, whatever you may think of him, chooses us over Albion.

Brighton, Burton or West Brom?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 02, 2017, 11:44:49 PM
Rovers.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 02, 2017, 11:45:50 PM
I also wish to put in record that I am really pissed off by this signing. There can't have been many players I have hated more than him. I remember having a terrible row on the phone to my dad when he tried to stick up for him - the worst ever.

Having said that, if he turns out to be a genuinely strong asset to the team, and I show any signs at all of weakening and thinking that he is OK after all, please pour my drink over my head when you see me in The Bartons. Actually, no, punch me in the face, I'll deserve it.

Depressing innit? See you at Shrewsbury for a good moan about it?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: OCD on July 02, 2017, 11:55:55 PM
Done deal ?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/07/02/john-terry-decides-join-aston-villa-will-sign-imminently/


I think some sick just came up.

A division above us and a player, whatever you may think of him, chooses us over Albion.

Brighton, Burton or West Brom?

Yeah, should have written West Brom really. The reference was in the article.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 03, 2017, 12:05:09 AM
Done deal ?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/07/02/john-terry-decides-join-aston-villa-will-sign-imminently/


I think some sick just came up.

A division above us and a player, whatever you may think of him, chooses us over Albion.

Brighton, Burton or West Brom?

Yeah, should have written West Brom really. The reference was in the article.

I'm more impressed he choose us over Swansea and Bournemouth. The only logical reason any half decent player joins West Brom is to put in a transfer request, something the aging Terry wouldn't have to worry about. Which begs the question, did anybody seriously think he would join the Baggies?
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: peter w on July 03, 2017, 06:44:11 AM
I know you guys were not talking about me but I am a bit taken aback by the strong inference that fellow Villa fans here are racist because they are willing to give him a chance here. Over the line and very unfair.

There is plenty to not like about him coming here football wise and character wise without slurring fellow fans.



I don't think anyone has said that anyone on here is racist. I'm a bit shocked that so many on here are comfortable with us signing a known racist.

It does make many people uneasy and rightfully so. But other people are also right to question whether their dislike for his attitude can be squared with his ability as a footballer and a leader around the club. Something we need.

At Villa we've had our fair share of racists, bigots, and people who did things we would usually use as a reason to call them all the twats under the sun. But, we pick and choose based on what we want to think and feel. I personally can't stand John Terry but I'd be a hypocrite to pretend that I wouldn't be cheering him loudly if he lifted the Championship trophy or was an integral part of our set-up that got promoted.

Probably our greatest player was allegedly a wife beater and an alcoholic. The sort of person you'd hate to have associated with our club. And yet he's revered by just about everyone. Everyone picks and chooses their moral code so no need to get on a moral crusade when the plank in each of our eyes is jutting out.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: brian green on July 03, 2017, 07:47:54 AM
Agree about the motes and beams Peter but I believe there is no such thing as a detachable moral compass.  It is also my belief that any mature, responsible person's views on their own social responsibilities should be the same whichever side of the Villa Park turnstiles they happen to be.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: Hillbilly on July 03, 2017, 07:54:58 AM
I know you guys were not talking about me but I am a bit taken aback by the strong inference that fellow Villa fans here are racist because they are willing to give him a chance here. Over the line and very unfair.

There is plenty to not like about him coming here football wise and character wise without slurring fellow fans.



I don't think anyone has said that anyone on here is racist. I'm a bit shocked that so many on here are comfortable with us signing a known racist.

It does make many people uneasy and rightfully so. But other people are also right to question whether their dislike for his attitude can be squared with his ability as a footballer and a leader around the club. Something we need.

At Villa we've had our fair share of racists, bigots, and people who did things we would usually use as a reason to call them all the twats under the sun. But, we pick and choose based on what we want to think and feel. I personally can't stand John Terry but I'd be a hypocrite to pretend that I wouldn't be cheering him loudly if he lifted the Championship trophy or was an integral part of our set-up that got promoted.

Probably our greatest player was allegedly a wife beater and an alcoholic. The sort of person you'd hate to have associated with our club. And yet he's revered by just about everyone. Everyone picks and chooses their moral code so no need to get on a moral crusade when the plank in each of our eyes is jutting out.
Frank Barson.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: amfy on July 03, 2017, 08:00:31 AM
I know you guys were not talking about me but I am a bit taken aback by the strong inference that fellow Villa fans here are racist because they are willing to give him a chance here. Over the line and very unfair.

There is plenty to not like about him coming here football wise and character wise without slurring fellow fans.



I don't think anyone has said that anyone on here is racist. I'm a bit shocked that so many on here are comfortable with us signing a known racist.

It does make many people uneasy and rightfully so. But other people are also right to question whether their dislike for his attitude can be squared with his ability as a footballer and a leader around the club. Something we need.

At Villa we've had our fair share of racists, bigots, and people who did things we would usually use as a reason to call them all the twats under the sun. But, we pick and choose based on what we want to think and feel. I personally can't stand John Terry but I'd be a hypocrite to pretend that I wouldn't be cheering him loudly if he lifted the Championship trophy or was an integral part of our set-up that got promoted.

Probably our greatest player was allegedly a wife beater and an alcoholic. The sort of person you'd hate to have associated with our club. And yet he's revered by just about everyone. Everyone picks and chooses their moral code so no need to get on a moral crusade when the plank in each of our eyes is jutting out.

It has certainly occurred to me during all of this how I am still strangely fond of Ron Atkinson, but maybe I am more forgiving of his generation, and I definitely think his actions as a man didn't match those horrible words..........and the 'wife beater and alcoholic' was an 'alcoholic & wife beater' - a desperately unwell man whose footballing talent could never quite get him over the traumatic early life experiences which shaped his illness - especially as someone who worked in addictions for 15 years I find that a different proposition.

Then there is the difference between being a hypocrite, and trying to be a better person than you have been in the past. For me, would be a hypocrite if I slammed John Terry as a racist & dickhead for years, and then decided that as he had signed for Villa, it was all 'just bants' and he was an OK bloke after all.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: passitsideways on July 03, 2017, 08:10:39 AM
It's more a footballing issue for me - that we're investing a fair amount of our apparently limited pool of resources on someone of his age. The other stuff is more of a rancid cherry on top.
Title: Re: John Terry - contract offer
Post by: alftitimus on July 03, 2017, 08:12:10 AM
As the inevitable draws closer, we read the "rationalisations" and second guessing from so many on this forum  >:(

Okay. I am not a Terry sycophant, nor a Bruce or Xia worshipper.

I support this club. Our club, and as much as I mouthed off about him, I would welcome an Ellis again.

Lambert claimed he suggested to Lerner 3 times that he should sack him
Sherwood/Garde/Lambert/RDM/Fox/the "transfer-brains-trust".... they all came to us
on a win-win basis.
P45s and golden redundancy pay-outs seemed par-for-the-course under Lerner, and continued under Xia - imo.
Bruce is no different imo.His Rep as a potential England Manager, only a few years ago, seems an abonded ambition now. :-[

................

It seems that I only post negative opinions about us -- which is true -- because midway through Lerner's Regime I realised that it was our History