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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Randolph villa on January 05, 2017, 11:49:39 PM
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According to the mail,RHM has been omitted from the squad to play spurs ,due to him not signing a deal which would have made him the highest earning academy player in villa's history.
Fair play to Bruce for taking this stance,you can't have a young kid calling the shots,he's being very badly advised.with our lack of forwards at the minute,this could have been his chance to show us what he can do.
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Something going on out there.
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Totally agree with SB. If he won't commit, he won't play.
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Sounds as though the offer from Rangers is lucrative or another club is sniffing around.
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He'd be mental to turn us down for Zombie Rangers. If he's going to go, so be it. I'd have liked to have seen him involved more by now but there's no point in planning for the future if he's not going to be part of it. Decent decision by Bruce.
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If he thinks he's bigger than the club well he can eventually go the way of so many who thought they'd already made it and dwell amongst the lower reaches.
He'll possibly become another John Bostock.
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Disappointing as I was looking forward to him giving the Spurs defence on Sunday.
If he does leave we will receive a fee set by an FA tribunal, is that right?
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Can't we just put a price up say 2 million with add ons, if there are no takers it might bring him back to reality. Sick of players believing they are better than they are, how many players have left Villa and failed elsewhere? far more than have had success.
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Nobody's going to pay money for him when he can leave for free
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When did this kid become the next Wayne Rooney? Fucking sign the contract.
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He'd be mental to turn us down for Zombie Rangers. If he's going to go, so be it. I'd have liked to have seen him involved more by now but there's no point in planning for the future if he's not going to be part of it. Decent decision by Bruce.
To be fair Zombie Rangers would be a pretty awesome name for a football team.
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Disappointed with this news. He'd of surely got a chance at some stage of the season, probably even on the bench against Spurs, going off what Bruce has said.
If he'd just waited til he got his opportunity and grabbed it with both hands, he could've maybe gone on to be a first team squad regular next season, summer transfer business permitting.
He'll probably say he's showing ambition by wanting a move where he'll get regular first team football, but the fact is, whilst he is clearly a promising talent, he is completely unproven at first team level. Unless I've missed the glaringly obvious?
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When did this kid become the next Wayne Rooney? Fucking sign the contract.
Exactly, shocking attitude. Offered a professional contract at 18 at one of the biggest clubs in England and he's prepared to let it slip away for what? Has he even started a game for us yet? The kid is definitely being poorly advised. If he goes, I'm 100% certain he won't make it at a bigger club than Villa, his attitude is all wrong already.
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Not just a contract. A contract that would make him the highest paid academy player in the club's history. Imagine what the likes of Brian Little, Gary shaw and Sid would make of hearing this news?
All the best, son...
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Attitude seems to stink. His twitter acount doesn't inspire either. A bit Berahino lime without actually scoring any goals for the first team. Shame as Villa will get bugger all for him.
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If we lose him I shall be very disappointed. Just like I was disappointed to lose Marc Albrighton and Adama Traore both discarded by us but adding ability to teams well above us. A club that buys "ready made" players like McCormack, Elphick and Gestede has very little room to follow a hard line financial policy towards emerging young players. I have followed RHM's career closely. He would walk into a lower half Premiership side. I am not suggesting a money is no object attitude to him or anybody else, just an across the board attitude to player value. The use of the team sheet to whip players into line is a very crude instrument that often provokes intransigence. See Tshibola.
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It's a difficult one isn't it. Players/agents have the power in these situations and will push as far as possible for the best deal and who could blame them. Seems like a waste developing your own players if you can't at least get a full transfer value upon sale. I guess he knows what he can earn elsewhere and is asking us to match or beat it.
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Meh.Never even broke through during our worst few seasons in history so is he actually any good?
Sure he will look better than he really is in that league just like Sinclair.. I doubt he will be missed. Obviously not up for the fight to displace the first team strikers here.
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Probably furious that Agbonlahor is in instead of him. Still, no player is bigger than the club.
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Yes, he is that good. Twenty times the player Gabby Agbonlahor is who is probably on fifty times his wages.
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Meh.Never even broke through during our worst few seasons in history so is he actually any good?
He's eighteen years old. At which point in the last few seasons do you think he should have "broken through"?
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He's 18 and doesn't want to play for the club her alleges to support by signing a contract that would make 99.99% of 18 year olds eyes bleed it would be so much.
Fuck off sunshine.
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The 'modern game' - having to give 'promising youngsters' lucrative contracts to keep them at the club.
He obviously being advised by his agent et al but it is coming across a bit Billy Big Bollox isn't it?
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I'd like to have seen more of him last season and this, but fuck him. He seems a decent prospect but he's 18, done sod all so far and is only on the first rug of the ladder. Bit early in your career to be thinking above your station.
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I'd like to have seen more of him last season and this, but fuck him. He seems a decent prospect but he's 18, done sod all so far and is only on the first rug of the ladder. Bit early in your career to be thinking above your station.
This is agent fuelled . Don't want this kid to leave. Far too good a prospect.
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In hindsight maybe Sherwood giving him a debut at 16 gave him early delusions of grandeur.
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I'd like to have seen more of him last season and this, but fuck him. He seems a decent prospect but he's 18, done sod all so far and is only on the first rug of the ladder. Bit early in your career to be thinking above your station.
This is agent fuelled . Don't want this kid to leave. Far too good a prospect.
I don't want him to go either, but even more I don't want some 18 year old that's done sod all acting Billy Big Balls. There's a massive jump from very good prospect to very good footballer. Farrelly, Moore brothers etc, and countless others around the country, have been big prospects at 16-18 and ultimately not done much.
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I don't see why we don't let him play if he can contribute right now. Hutton & Bunn can leave for free in the summer and he's still playing them. It doesn't seem to me that we have a strong enough squad to just leave valuable assets out the team for negotiating reasons - like cutting off your nose to spite your face.
Of course it works both ways and does sound like he is being a bit of a knob.
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I don't see why we don't let him play if he can contribute right now. Hutton & Bunn can leave for free in the summer and he's still playing them. It doesn't seem to me that we have a strong enough squad to just leave valuable assets out the team for negotiating reasons - like cutting off your nose to spite your face.
Of course it works both ways and does sound like he is being a bit of a knob.
Difference is (probably) that we haven't offered either of them a contract.
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I don't see why we don't let him play if he can contribute right now. Hutton & Bunn can leave for free in the summer and he's still playing them. It doesn't seem to me that we have a strong enough squad to just leave valuable assets out the team for negotiating reasons - like cutting off your nose to spite your face.
Of course it works both ways and does sound like he is being a bit of a knob.
Difference is (probably) that we haven't offered either of them a contract.
Yes of course. But still, if he is an asset we should use him. Particularly when he is prepared to use Gabby
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I'd like to have seen more of him last season and this, but fuck him. He seems a decent prospect but he's 18, done sod all so far and is only on the first rug of the ladder. Bit early in your career to be thinking above your station.
Bit harsh to carpet him like that?
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Bollocks, I mat have known my typo could lead to another punathon.
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He'd be mental to turn us down for Zombie Rangers. If he's going to go, so be it. I'd have liked to have seen him involved more by now but there's no point in planning for the future if he's not going to be part of it. Decent decision by Bruce.
do one you Smelltic fan WATP
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Fringe player who needs whipping into shape.
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I think it's clear he's not going to sign, time to move on & forget about him. He's probably using our offer to squeeze more out of other clubs.
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first rug of the ladder.
He's going to get carpeted for this behaviour.
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If we lose him I shall be very disappointed. Just like I was disappointed to lose Marc Albrighton and Adama Traore both discarded by us but adding ability to teams well above us. A club that buys "ready made" players like McCormack, Elphick and Gestede has very little room to follow a hard line financial policy towards emerging young players. I have followed RHM's career closely. He would walk into a lower half Premiership side. I am not suggesting a money is no object attitude to him or anybody else, just an across the board attitude to player value. The use of the team sheet to whip players into line is a very crude instrument that often provokes intransigence. See Tshibola.
I was disappointed to see Adama go, but he wanted to leave. Marc Albrighton was offered £35K a week at Leicester, which meant he was always going to leave. RHM is refusing to sign a contract that would make him the best paid academy player. I don't think this is an issue with Villa not trying to retain talent.
Sounds to me like RHM has just got too big for his boots.
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It would appear that he has little intention of signing the contract offer ........ so from the managers point why play him when in few months he is gone
Seems like he wants to play simply to put himself in the shop window to earn a contract elsewhere
Maybe its fuelled by his agent and thats the problem with football today ...how many of the England 66 team had agents at the time? I am guessing none
As the manager has said sign or you are not part of first team squad - I have no problem with that
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If we thought he was going to substantially help us this season, we'd be playing him, regardless of the contract position. Presumably we've no intention of developing him for another club to benefit.
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Bollocks, I mat have known my typo could lead to another punathon.
Yes, another one to add to the pile.
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There's a huge amonut of assumptions here. It could be as simple as looking at the list of forwards in the squad, seeing a lot of them play badly and still get picked and realise that we've got no intention of giving him a chance.
I hate that whenever a youing player doesn't sign a new contract there's loads of posts on here about 'bad agents', 'poorly advised', 'too big for his boots'. No one on here knows why he's not signed or what we and other clubs are offering him. A big part of the reason so many of our youth players don't reach their potential is that we fuck up the integration in the first team. If RHM does leave I'm putting it down to that same mistake.
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So you start by drawing attention to posters attaching a huge amount of assumptions and then finish with a huge assumption?
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Why we're talking about rugs I have no ikea
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Why we're talking about rugs I have no ikea
Very clever, Mr Bear. A smile upon my face.
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Ah I must have missed all the top level strikers he was competing with since Benteke left for a place..l
If his ability and more importantly attitude were right he would have been given a chance in the team. His training clearly didn't show this to previous managers.
With the caveat that our previous managers all appear to have been mentally ill haha
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So you start by drawing attention to posters attaching a huge amount of assumptions and then finish with a huge assumption?
yep, my problem isn't with making assumptions, it's with assuming that all the problems are about money and coming from the player.
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All I want to see is a consistently astute attitude by the club towards money. Just like I thought a new contract for Gardner probably made good business sense, it would make good business sense to retain a young player we have developed rather than let him walk away as a free agent. The sum that has to be done is which is better business for the club, to sign a thirty something year old from the bench of a struggling Premiership side for £5 million or pay £5 in wages to a young player with infinitely more sell on value. To me it is a no brainer.
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Why we're talking about rugs I have no ikea
Unfortunately, punathons are an underlaying irritation on this site.
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He can f off, as can any other 'local lad' who is either taking us for a ride,is not good enough or has an inflated ego.See Gabby,Gardner,RHM. Just leave then if you think you are bigger than Villa. Villa will still exist long after your careers have washed up at Rotherham and Grimsby, fools.
Too many people with rose tinted glasses on here just because they are 'local lads' they get a free pass.
Later RHM and don't forget to thank villa for the huge money we have no doubt poured into you via the youth system when you are a superstar in the mighty Scottish league.
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Any ideas as to who his agent is?
Does he have similar history in his other dealings?
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Yes, he is that good. Twenty times the player Gabby Agbonlahor is who is probably on fifty times his wages.
20 times better than a player who has played 300 games for the first team under various mangers? Gabbys shit attitude aside that seems a stretch based on no real evidence.
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Same situation as Jerome Sinclair when he was at Liverpool. He was a much better propspect than RHM. Moves to Watford and hardly been seen since. The way Bruce is handling this is spot on. The offer is on the table and he prospect to play is available too. He probably would have started on Sunday.
RHM won't even play for a club as big as us ever again is my prediction. Probably end up at Bolton in a few years
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I factored into my multiplicant of Gabby's relative worth compared with Rushian Hepburn-Murphy the fact that RHM has not neglected his training, pigged out on junk food, pissed away fortunes in casinos and was proudly photographed doing so, been all over the tabloids with his eyes rolled back into his skull, partied with slappers a roomful at a time, been the subject of paternity suits, been the star of the francophobe Secret Santa we enjoyed so much or called the fans "haterz". I think my mathematics flatter Gabby if anything.
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I factored into my multiplicant of Gabby's relative worth compared with Rushian Hepburn-Murphy the fact that RHM has not neglected his training, pigged out on junk food, pissed away fortunes in casinos and was proudly photographed doing so, been all over the tabloids with his eyes rolled back into his skull, partied with slappers a roomful at a time, been the subject of paternity suits, been the star of the francophobe Secret Santa we enjoyed so much or called the fans "haterz". I think my mathematics flatter Gabby if anything.
RHM would have done disturbingly well to achieve all that by the age of 18!
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Any ideas as to who his agent is?
Does he have similar history in his other dealings?
My guess is Agbonlahor is his agent, it's the only explanation for him being anywhere near the first team squad as Bruce is trying to keep him onside to get his client to sign the contract. Is he actually any good? I remember people raving about Gary Gardner and he looks pretty bloody useless to these untrained eyes.
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Haha! That did make me chuckle. I suppose my reaction to your original post was that if this man-child isn't signing a contract because people in the background are telling him that he's 20 times the player Gabby is, it might be part of the problem. In truth he/we will be lucky if he's as good as a player Gabby was in hi prime. Any more than that will be unknown from our academy.
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So you start by drawing attention to posters attaching a huge amount of assumptions and then finish with a huge assumption?
yep, my problem isn't with making assumptions, it's with assuming that all the problems are about money and coming from the player.
I agree. If he's swapping our reserves for theirs then fair enough.
But if say, Rangers have said "we'll match whatever money Villa have offered but we'll put you straight into the first team from day one", then I don't really see what he's got to lose by going there and playing.
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He'd be mental to turn us down for Zombie Rangers. If he's going to go, so be it. I'd have liked to have seen him involved more by now but there's no point in planning for the future if he's not going to be part of it. Decent decision by Bruce.
do one you Smelltic fan WATP
"Smelltic" doesn't really work for a derogatory nickname for Clyde, mate.
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Sounds as though the offer from Rangers is lucrative or another club is sniffing around.
His agent more like advising him scenting commission from a transfer
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So you start by drawing attention to posters attaching a huge amount of assumptions and then finish with a huge assumption?
yep, my problem isn't with making assumptions, it's with assuming that all the problems are about money and coming from the player.
So assumptions are okay as long as they're yours? Wha' everrrrrrhhhhhhhhhh
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I still have a mental image of him coming on to make his debut and looking as if he was about to shit himself with nerves.
Surely someone can post the video of it on here?
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I saw him score a belter of a goal in pre-season at Stourport and I thought he'd have got more of a look in this season than he has. I hope he does end up signing, it would be a shame to see him go before seeing what he could do.
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With the greatest of respect to RHM if Glasgow Rangers are the only team showing much of an interest in his services then I would get that contract with us signed quick sharp.
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So you start by drawing attention to posters attaching a huge amount of assumptions and then finish with a huge assumption?
yep, my problem isn't with making assumptions, it's with assuming that all the problems are about money and coming from the player.
So assumptions are okay as long as they're yours? Wha' everrrrrrhhhhhhhhhh
Yep, that's exactly what I said.
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I'd like to see him progress here but it's his choice to make, he may be foolish but it's his contract.
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There's a huge amonut of assumptions here. It could be as simple as looking at the list of forwards in the squad, seeing a lot of them play badly and still get picked and realise that we've got no intention of giving him a chance.
I hate that whenever a youing player doesn't sign a new contract there's loads of posts on here about 'bad agents', 'poorly advised', 'too big for his boots'. No one on here knows why he's not signed or what we and other clubs are offering him. A big part of the reason so many of our youth players don't reach their potential is that we fuck up the integration in the first team. If RHM does leave I'm putting it down to that same mistake.
I totally agree with your point on integration. I have mentioned it before and people respond that we have produced as many, if not more, players that go on to have a career in football but when was the last time we developed a top player, got good use out of him and then went elsewhere and continued with a good career. I suppose Gareth Barry was the last that fitted this.
Young players need developing by continually putting bigger challenges in front of them, usually quite quickly and then stepping them back, to go again from a higher starting point.
All this, my assumption is not quite as big as yours is rubbish. They are all possible reasons being put forward. Even the reported events may not be true. If it is true, Bruce should keep it between him and the player. The player is currently under contract and the club should be making the best use of that.
I am amazed that supporters' reaction to something like this is "fuck him then". Perhaps it is the throw away generation that we are in.
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I've zero idea what is stalling things, but would imagine that getting some game time and a clearer path to the first team would help grease the cogs towards signing.
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There's a huge amonut of assumptions here. It could be as simple as looking at the list of forwards in the squad, seeing a lot of them play badly and still get picked and realise that we've got no intention of giving him a chance.
I hate that whenever a youing player doesn't sign a new contract there's loads of posts on here about 'bad agents', 'poorly advised', 'too big for his boots'. No one on here knows why he's not signed or what we and other clubs are offering him. A big part of the reason so many of our youth players don't reach their potential is that we fuck up the integration in the first team. If RHM does leave I'm putting it down to that same mistake.
I totally agree with your point on integration. I have mentioned it before and people respond that we have produced as many, if not more, players that go on to have a career in football but when was the last time we developed a top player, got good use out of him and then went elsewhere and continued with a good career. I suppose Gareth Barry was the last that fitted this.
Young players need developing by continually putting bigger challenges in front of them, usually quite quickly and then stepping them back, to go again from a higher starting point.
All this, my assumption is not quite as big as yours is rubbish. They are all possible reasons being put forward. Even the reported events may not be true. If it is true, Bruce should keep it between him and the player. The player is currently under contract and the club should be making the best use of that.
I am amazed that supporters' reaction to something like this is "fuck him then". Perhaps it is the throw away generation that we are in.
Exactly, that's the bit I don't like. It's all a bit like having a supermodel girlfriend leave you and telling everyone you were thinking of dumping her anyway and you can do better. At some point you have to stop and think that it might, after all, be your own fault.
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Twas ever thus. If any player thinks they can do better without proving they are worth anything more than what we are prepared to offer then fine, go. Sometimes it can blow up in the club;s face but that is very very seldom. I'd like him to stay but not because I think he has a chance of doing something good but just because he may as well be here than elsewhere if he is going to progress well. But, we've offered him a contract he wants more than that. Fine. he's an 18 year-old upstart not the future of Aston Villa.
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Why we're talking about rugs I have no ikea
Unfortunately, punathons are an underlaying irritation on this site.
No need to exaggerate, get a grip.
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There's a huge amonut of assumptions here. It could be as simple as looking at the list of forwards in the squad, seeing a lot of them play badly and still get picked and realise that we've got no intention of giving him a chance.
I hate that whenever a youing player doesn't sign a new contract there's loads of posts on here about 'bad agents', 'poorly advised', 'too big for his boots'. No one on here knows why he's not signed or what we and other clubs are offering him. A big part of the reason so many of our youth players don't reach their potential is that we fuck up the integration in the first team. If RHM does leave I'm putting it down to that same mistake.
I totally agree with your point on integration. I have mentioned it before and people respond that we have produced as many, if not more, players that go on to have a career in football but when was the last time we developed a top player, got good use out of him and then went elsewhere and continued with a good career. I suppose Gareth Barry was the last that fitted this.
Young players need developing by continually putting bigger challenges in front of them, usually quite quickly and then stepping them back, to go again from a higher starting point.
All this, my assumption is not quite as big as yours is rubbish. They are all possible reasons being put forward. Even the reported events may not be true. If it is true, Bruce should keep it between him and the player. The player is currently under contract and the club should be making the best use of that.
I am amazed that supporters' reaction to something like this is "fuck him then". Perhaps it is the throw away generation that we are in.
Didn't we nick Barry from Brighton?
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With the greatest of respect to RHM if Glasgow Rangers are the only team showing much of an interest in his services then I would get that contract with us signed quick sharp.
That's just it. Sounds all a bit NRC. You talk yourself up, CL etc and end up on a free at Bolton
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Surely the fact that we are offering him such a lucrative deal should tell him and his agent that he is an important part of the club's future. If he is unwilling to sign the contract that is down to him but suggests either impatience, greed or arrogance on his part.
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Assuming there are other clubs sniffing around, you have to ask just which sides would an inexperienced 18 year old walk into and get regular game time?
Regular posters on here whose views I respect have singled him out as a real prospect. However at the moment that's all he is a prospect, albeit an exciting one.
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I thought their earlier stuff was okay - especially Everybody Hurts, What's the Frequency Kenneth etc. Not so sure what they've done lately mind.
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Dr Tony is now cryptically tweeting about RHM:
I very much agree with what Mourinho said that parents&agents are someones always ruin youngest's career, one way the other.
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With the greatest of respect to RHM if Glasgow Rangers are the only team showing much of an interest in his services then I would get that contract with us signed quick sharp.
That's just it. Sounds all a bit NRC. You talk yourself up, CL etc and end up on a free at Bolton
Maybe that's the point. Maybe he'd rather be playing in the first team for someone like Rangers rather than our reserves.
Like when Dembele went from Fuham to Celtic, rather than spending this season as a substitute for Spurs.
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Remember Daniel Crowley ?, our last ' Wonderkid' in waiting ( alleged ) . Decided he was too good for the Villa , was snapped up by Arsenal and touted as the next Jack Wilshire. After failed loan spells at Barnsley and Oxford , he went on loan to Go Ahead Eagles in the Eredvisie, where he now plays.
As they say : " Someone else ' indespensable' and 'unique ' can always be found at a moments notice"..........Godzvilla!
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I thought their earlier stuff was okay - especially Everybody Hurts, What's the Frequency Kenneth etc. Not so sure what they've done lately mind.
Split up last year, I hope if the same fate befalls young Rushian we get the guitarist and singer rather than the rhythm section.
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Remember Daniel Crowley ?, our last ' Wonderkid' in waiting ( alleged ) . Decided he was too good for the Villa , was snapped up by Arsenal and touted as the next Jack Wilshire. After failed loan spells at Barnsley and Oxford , he went on loan to Go Ahead Eagles in the Eredvisie, where he now plays.
As they say : " Someone else ' indespensable' and 'unique ' can always be found at a moments notice"..........Godzvilla!
He's 19, and still highly thought of at Arsenal by all accounts. A bit early for the scrap heap.
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Young players like RHM need role models within their club. When we've had the likes of lescott and nzogbia and currently richards and agbonlahor for young players to look up to, then as a club you know you're in trouble. While richards and agbonlahor continue to stink the place out we will continue to struggle in developing our young players for the good of Aston Villa instead of some other team.
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Young players like RHM need role models within their club. When we've had the likes of lescott and nzogbia and currently richards and agbonlahor for young players to look up to, then as a club you know you're in trouble. While richards and agbonlahor continue to stink the place out we will continue to struggle in developing our young players for the good of Aston Villa instead of some other team.
I'm sure there may be lots of things we can blame on Richards and Gabby. But frankly it's a bit of a stretch to try to pin this one on them.
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I think if he was really that good , he would be playing week in week out . contract up or not I dont think we would have the luxury to leave him out
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Why we're talking about rugs I have no ikea
Unfortunately, punathons are an underlaying irritation on this site.
No need to exaggerate, get a grip.
Isn't this thread supposed to be about Persian Hepburn-Murphy?
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I hope he doesn't think he can shag this club after the backing he has had.
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With the greatest of respect to RHM if Glasgow Rangers are the only team showing much of an interest in his services then I would get that contract with us signed quick sharp.
That's just it. Sounds all a bit NRC. You talk yourself up, CL etc and end up on a free at Bolton
Maybe that's the point. Maybe he'd rather be playing in the first team for someone like Rangers rather than our reserves.
Like when Dembele went from Fuham to Celtic, rather than spending this season as a substitute for Spurs.
Or unlike NRC who already had a decent career under his belt at that stage, RHM would be better placed at 18 to stay at a club that will give him a chance if he works hard. It can't be that difficult for him to see we just sold a forward, are struggling for goals and if he just knuckled down he will get his chance. But he is being far too short sighted for that.
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Re chrisw1
No stretch at all thanks. Just common sense, a knowledge of how psychology manifests itself in the workplace and some experience of the negative impact that one of the players you quoted has had on another Aston Villa youngster.
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With the greatest of respect to RHM if Glasgow Rangers are the only team showing much of an interest in his services then I would get that contract with us signed quick sharp.
That's just it. Sounds all a bit NRC. You talk yourself up, CL etc and end up on a free at Bolton
Maybe that's the point. Maybe he'd rather be playing in the first team for someone like Rangers rather than our reserves.
Like when Dembele went from Fuham to Celtic, rather than spending this season as a substitute for Spurs.
Or unlike NRC who already had a decent career under his belt at that stage, RHM would be better placed at 18 to stay at a club that will give him a chance if he works hard. It can't be that difficult for him to see we just sold a forward, are struggling for goals and if he just knuckled down he will get his chance. But he is being far too short sighted for that.
I disagree, we've sold a forward and seen another go to afcon and he was still only given a few minutes in a game crying out for something different whilst Gabby gets chnace after chance and RM starts a game out of position and looks lost. I can understand him feeling that this month should be a chance but that he isn't going to be given it, especially when we've got the press linking us to new strikers.
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Re chrisw1
No stretch at all thanks. Just common sense, a knowledge of how psychology manifests itself in the workplace and some experience of the negative impact that one of the players you quoted has had on another Aston Villa youngster.
Ah, bollocks. His agent is probably having more of an impact than those two. Get a grip.
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He needs someone to control him with a gripper rod of iron.
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Wouldn't blame him for having second thoughts if he can't get in the side ahead of deadbeat Agbonlahor.
Warburton wasn't afraid to gamble on youth at Brentford. Haven't seen much of Rangers this year, but seeing as they aren't operating from a position of strength, wouldn't surprise me if he is doing similar there.
Bruce looks a bit shit in all this as well. Play him or don't play him. None of this 'Well I was going to play him, but now I'll punish him for having a mind of his own.'
Would he do similar to a senior player; a first XI regular, say. One who was attracting interest from the PL or abroad and wouldn't immediately commit to a long-term deal? Doubtful. He'd want to play his best possible side (at least you'd like to think) and make use of that player for however long he has left with us.
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But he isn't a first team player just a prospect. Unlike Gary Cahill he has very little first little first team experience whether in the team or match day squad. If he isn't intending to sign a contract despite being in the squad for the Tottenham game why should we develop him and give him the experience that someone else will benefit from? He's made his decision so Bruce may as well leave him out.
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He needs someone to control him with a gripper rod of iron.
he'll end up at Axminster Town.
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He wants a pile of cash
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I think we have always been guilty of bigging up our youth players. Very rarely have they gone on to better things. RHM hasn't done anything to warrant the blind faith. Think of Owen and Rooney at his age. Plus, he's acting like a right tit so he can do one if he's not prepared to commit to the club. Can't see him being missed.
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Re chrisw1
No stretch at all thanks. Just common sense, a knowledge of how psychology manifests itself in the workplace and some experience of the negative impact that one of the players you quoted has had on another Aston Villa youngster.
Ah, bollocks. His agent is probably having more of an impact than those two. Get a grip.
Whoa there, I've already delivered that pun.
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With the greatest of respect to RHM if Glasgow Rangers are the only team showing much of an interest in his services then I would get that contract with us signed quick sharp.
That's just it. Sounds all a bit NRC. You talk yourself up, CL etc and end up on a free at Bolton
Maybe that's the point. Maybe he'd rather be playing in the first team for someone like Rangers rather than our reserves.
Like when Dembele went from Fuham to Celtic, rather than spending this season as a substitute for Spurs.
Or unlike NRC who already had a decent career under his belt at that stage, RHM would be better placed at 18 to stay at a club that will give him a chance if he works hard. It can't be that difficult for him to see we just sold a forward, are struggling for goals and if he just knuckled down he will get his chance. But he is being far too short sighted for that.
But looking at it objectively, why does it matter whether that club is Villa or Rangers? They'll both give him a chance if he works hard, but it seems like one will probably do it sooner than the other.
They're also the one that hasn't spent nearly £40m on strikers since he made his debut.
He may also have noticed that his current manager doesn't really have a strong track record of bringing young players through at his previous clubs.
I'd rather he wanted to stay with us, but it's hardly some great betrayal, and certainly not crazy if he thought he might have better options elsewhere.
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There's nothing to stop him signing a new contract and then going on loan somewhere to get games. Ultimately I think it's about money & trying to squeeze a bit more out of us or whatever club have approached him. If he was happy with what he's been offered, which is more than anyone else has ever got, he'd have signed it.
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My feeling is RHM has an underlaying problem.
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Bruce looks a bit shit in all this as well.
No he doesn't.
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My feeling is RHM has an underlaying problem.
Care to e-laminate?
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My feeling is RHM has an underlaying problem.
Care to e-laminate?
Hes Aladdin a pickle.
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Young players like RHM need role models within their club. When we've had the likes of lescott and nzogbia and currently richards and agbonlahor for young players to look up to, then as a club you know you're in trouble. While richards and agbonlahor continue to stink the place out we will continue to struggle in developing our young players for the good of Aston Villa instead of some other team.
I agree that workplace role models have a massive impact; in both the positive and the negative. I see it a lot in the work I do, as well as when Reffing.
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I think we have always been guilty of bigging up our youth players. Very rarely have they gone on to better things. RHM hasn't done anything to warrant the blind faith. Think of Owen and Rooney at his age. Plus, he's acting like a right tit so he can do one if he's not prepared to commit to the club. Can't see him being missed.
re you last sentence, we won't know since SB ain't playing him!
Do I remember correctly in thinking that the Arse showed some interest in him a while back? Or was that Andre Green?
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What are we offering him on length of contract and wages?
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What are we offering him on length of contract and wages?
The most the club has ever offered any similar player apparently.
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What are we offering him on length of contract and wages?
The most the club has ever offered any similar player apparently.
Plenty dollar. Not that the club ever divulge such info
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What are we offering him on length of contract and wages?
The most the club has ever offered any similar player apparently.
and what was that?
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I'd like to have seen more of him last season and this, but fuck him. He seems a decent prospect but he's 18, done sod all so far and is only on the first rug of the ladder. Bit early in your career to be thinking above your station.
This is agent fuelled . Don't want this kid to leave. Far too good a prospect.
I agree it is likely to be agent instigated.I don't understand the vitriol aimed at the lad. I doubt atb18 he is calling any shots just doing what he is being told to do.
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Agents = leeches
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I think we have always been guilty of bigging up our youth players. Very rarely have they gone on to better things. RHM hasn't done anything to warrant the blind faith. Think of Owen and Rooney at his age. Plus, he's acting like a right tit so he can do one if he's not prepared to commit to the club. Can't see him being missed.
re you last sentence, we won't know since SB ain't playing him!
Do I remember correctly in thinking that the Arse showed some interest in him a while back? Or was that Andre Green?
The same as Man Utd about to buy Steven Davis or Gabby to Arsenal or whoever. It's all bollocks in these days of social media where one tweet can go viral and be believed.
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Are we about to "do a Pogba" ?
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It's a difficult one to judge given he's played so few minutes for us. I didn't go to Newcastle or Cardiff so have never seen him play live.
Who knows what was said behind the scenes pre season....if RDM told him he'd get a chance this season, he's put the work in on the training ground and 6 months on he's made two sub appearances and Gabby waltzes in ahead I too would probably be questioning if this was the best club to go forward with.
He clearly just wants to play....again maybe he pushed to go out on loan in August and was told to stay so he feels like he's wasted 6 months of his career. You compare it to Newcastle who've been loaning out Adam Amstrong to different clubs every season and he's progressing well.
I really don't think it's about money...if it is I have little sympathy. If it's for football reasons then I can see RHM's viewpoint.
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Stan Petrov encouraging him to go to Rangers in the Meaning evil
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What are we offering him on length of contract and wages?
The most the club has ever offered any similar player apparently.
and what was that?
So who was our last highest paid academy player? Who was our last good prospect? If he was from more than 2 or 3 seasons ago, with wages going up dramatically and with this filtering down to young players, it stands to reason that RHM would more than likely be our highest earning academy player ever.
'Highest earning academy player ever' is emotive language when facts and figures are not known. It could be £1 more than the last and the statement would still be correct. I should imagine it is quite a bit more but you can understand what I am getting at. I do not know and I doubt whether many fans know either.
I hope Bruce knows what he is doing on this because he is making an example of a young kid (again, assuming the story is correct). He could have played it low key. However, I could be looking at it from the wrong angle and the information has been leaked by the player or his agent.
I am not a party to the facts and so at this time I will not criticise the player or the manager based on assumptions.
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I really don't think it's about money...if it is I have little sympathy. If it's for football reasons then I can see RHM's viewpoint.
One thing's for sure, if there's one club that's going to be throwing millions of pounds at a young prospect on a bit of a punt, it's not going to be penniless Rangers.
Probably the only club who can make Birmingham City's 2013-2016 spending look like Manchester City.
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Stan Petrov encouraging him to go to Rangers in the Meaning evil
Club legend Stiliyan Petrov says young Aston Villa striker Rushian Hepburn-Murphy should join Rangers for the sake of his career.
Hepburn-Murphy has been offered a new contract by Villa amid interest from Ibrox and he featured in the defeat at Cardiff City because boss Steve Bruce was told he was close to signing a huge new bumper deal.
But there has still been no breakthrough and Bruce has decided to withdraw the 18-year-old from the group ahead of the FA Cup third round trip to Tottenham on Sunday.
Petrov believes Rangers boss Mark Warburton should sign the youngster to help progress his career.
“Rushian is a very exciting young striker,” Petrov said. “He’s very quick and he would make a difference for Rangers.
“He’s one of those players that you love to have in the team but you hate to play against.
“He’s a very exciting young prospect and I would like to see Rushian moving away from Villa and having a chance somewhere to progress because he’s got tons of ability.
“He hasn’t asked me about Scotland, but I’m going in next week so we’ll probably have a conversation if he wants to know anything about it.”
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Stan Petrov encouraging him to go to Rangers in the Meaning evil
Club legend Stiliyan Petrov says young Aston Villa striker Rushian Hepburn-Murphy should join Rangers for the sake of his career.
Hepburn-Murphy has been offered a new contract by Villa amid interest from Ibrox and he featured in the defeat at Cardiff City because boss Steve Bruce was told he was close to signing a huge new bumper deal.
But there has still been no breakthrough and Bruce has decided to withdraw the 18-year-old from the group ahead of the FA Cup third round trip to Tottenham on Sunday.
Petrov believes Rangers boss Mark Warburton should sign the youngster to help progress his career.
“Rushian is a very exciting young striker,” Petrov said. “He’s very quick and he would make a difference for Rangers.
“He’s one of those players that you love to have in the team but you hate to play against.
“He’s a very exciting young prospect and I would like to see Rushian moving away from Villa and having a chance somewhere to progress because he’s got tons of ability.
“He hasn’t asked me about Scotland, but I’m going in next week so we’ll probably have a conversation if he wants to know anything about it.”
I think he might find that he's not going in after all.
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I'm really, really starting to dislike Petrov. The man has a complete lack of class and respect.
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With respect just fuck off Stiliyan.
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That's pretty disappointing from Petrov.
Even worse, you know how this will go. The club will, quite rightly, tell him he's not particularly welcome at Bodymoor Heath if he intends to unsettle our players. The press will then lambast us for turning our back on our stricken former captain.
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Petrov really has handled himself very poorly recently.
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I will say it others will hesitate Petrov is a bitter prick of the highest order. For all the support he got from the Villa to act in this manner is an absolute disgrace. Nothing more to say on the matter. Goodnight - Come on the Villa.
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Exactly. We stuck by him as you would expect any club to do but now he's comes across as being bitter and resentful. Time for the club to say thanks but time to move on and away.
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Stan Petrov encouraging him to go to Rangers in the Meaning evil
Club legend Stiliyan Petrov says young Aston Villa striker Rushian Hepburn-Murphy should join Rangers for the sake of his career.
Hepburn-Murphy has been offered a new contract by Villa amid interest from Ibrox and he featured in the defeat at Cardiff City because boss Steve Bruce was told he was close to signing a huge new bumper deal.
But there has still been no breakthrough and Bruce has decided to withdraw the 18-year-old from the group ahead of the FA Cup third round trip to Tottenham on Sunday.
Petrov believes Rangers boss Mark Warburton should sign the youngster to help progress his career.
“Rushian is a very exciting young striker,” Petrov said. “He’s very quick and he would make a difference for Rangers.
“He’s one of those players that you love to have in the team but you hate to play against.
“He’s a very exciting young prospect and I would like to see Rushian moving away from Villa and having a chance somewhere to progress because he’s got tons of ability.
“He hasn’t asked me about Scotland, but I’m going in next week so we’ll probably have a conversation if he wants to know anything about it.”
Well Stan, if you learnt anything about Glasgow during your time there, you wouldn't be advising an 18 year old black kid to be going there as his first destination away from home. Why would an ex Celtic player be advising a player to join Rangers???
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You cant buy class
As mr petrov is showing. An average player who the club bent over backwards to assist
To think some wanted him involved with the club as he would be a good role model ::)
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Why is Stan getting involved? He may be bitter towards the club but he should remember that thousands of fans were behind him. Looking very petty at the moment
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I'm really, really starting to dislike Petrov. The man has a complete lack of class and respect.
Why? Because of the RHM Rangers link?
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What are we offering him on length of contract and wages?
The most the club has ever offered any similar player apparently.
and what was that?
Not sure that's particularly relevant, either way I don't know and can't be arsed to check. I'm utterly nonplussed about the whole thing.
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I really hate to see Stan getting abused. His recovery and the way we stuck by him was just about the only redeeming feature of the past horrible years. But while he might be having words put into his mouth, this isn't the first time something questionable has been attributed to him. I've no idea what he's really saying and why, and I hope there's no bitterness on his part, but I have a horrible feeling that we're on the road to an irrevocable split.
As for Rushian, I can see the attraction of Rangers - regular football in front of 40,000, decent money and the chance to play in Europe. I'm also perhaps seeing why three managers haven't given him a chance since his debut.
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I really hate to see Stan getting abused. His recovery and the way we stuck by him was just about the only redeeming feature of the past horrible years. But while he might be having words put into his mouth, this isn't the first time something questionable has been attributed to him. I've no idea what he's really saying and why, and I hope there's no bitterness on his part, but I have a horrible feeling that we're on the road to an irrevocable split.
As for Rushian, I can see the attraction of Rangers - regular football in front of 40,000, decent money and the chance to play in Europe. I'm also perhaps seeing why three managers haven't given him a chance since his debut.
What else has he said?
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Very balanced view Dave. I also wonder, if he was that good, he'd be getting in ahead of Agbonlahor, given how woeful he's been. I appreciate that Bruce may feel the kid isn't quite ready but patience is needed from both parties. If Stan HAS made those remarks, then he's out of order.
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Stan come out saying he was talking about RHM going out on loan to Rangers. So he's either peddling backwards pretty fast or been done by the press.
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Stan says he meant on loan
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Been done by the press. They are pretty good at twisting peoples words. Thank goodness for that! Like Mr Woodhall, I too would hate to see Stan getting pelters.
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Stan says he meant on loan
Another misquote then apparently
make note to self dont talk to the press
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I really hate to see Stan getting abused. His recovery and the way we stuck by him was just about the only redeeming feature of the past horrible years. But while he might be having words put into his mouth, this isn't the first time something questionable has been attributed to him. I've no idea what he's really saying and why, and I hope there's no bitterness on his part, but I have a horrible feeling that we're on the road to an irrevocable split.
As for Rushian, I can see the attraction of Rangers - regular football in front of 40,000, decent money and the chance to play in Europe. I'm also perhaps seeing why three managers haven't given him a chance since his debut.
What else has he said?
He's talked about being let go by Di Matteo without explanation a couple of times.
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Stan says he meant on loan
But he isnt up for loan by the club. Why is he even talking about him? Its none of Stans business and he is under no obligation to talk to the press at all.
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Luckily there isn't a like button for the threads otherwise I would spend half my day liking peoples comments
Petrov handles himself extremely badly - I want nothing more to do with him in association with our great club.
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Stan says he meant on loan
But he isnt up for loan by the club. Why is he even talking about him? Its none of Stans business and he is under no obligation to talk to the press at all.
Exactly
After the snidiness when he wasnt offered a contract he should have learned to keep his gob shut and never recommend any more players to the club. In fact he doesnt need to be anywhere near the club
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RHM is playing under a manager who hasn't got a great history of bringing youth through and prefers a fat Gabby on the pitch who he thinks is playing great football
there is no wonder why he's not signing any contract
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If Petrov has just got the wrong end of the stick, hadn't realised that his contract was due up and thought that we were considering a loan, it's not nearly as bad.
Hopefully it is just a misunderstanding and I'll choose to believe that because the alternative, that Petrov has become a cock, is unpleasant.
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RHM is playing under a manager who hasn't got a great history of bringing youth through and prefers a fat Gabby on the pitch who he thinks is playing great football
there is no wonder why he's not signing any contract
This is not aimed at you in particular but to everyone that keeps saying that. He has just taken a young goalkeeper on loan and has given good support to Jack. Maybe he hasn't played youths at other clubs because they weren't good enough.
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Plus it is unlikely Warburton will be at Rangers long-term.
His stock as a manager is high. Do even vaguely well at Ibrox and -combined with his stint at Brentford- some of the bigger sides in the Championship or lower half of the Prem will no doubt be in for him.
If the Russian does well up there n'all, he'll most likely end up back down south in the not-too distant, maybe even with MW.
There's always a difference in playing for a manager who actively wants you compared to one who merely inherited you.
Not saying RHM is definitely away, but it's only right he weighs all this up. He'd prob have less to consider if he had been given even the occasional run-out against, oh, I dunno- B-lose, Brighton, Leedzzz and Norwich, for example.
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This is ridiculous, if he was that good, contract or no contract, Bruce would have played him!
He has potential at this point in time, that is all!
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His stock isn't high. Rangers fans hate him because they're nowhere near Celtic in the league.
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The only thing I can say in RHM's favour is that maybe he has heard Bruce's comments eulogising over that ****** Agbonlahor and decided he is never going to get a fair chance and would be better off elsewhere.
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RHM is playing under a manager who hasn't got a great history of bringing youth through and prefers a fat Gabby on the pitch who he thinks is playing great football
there is no wonder why he's not signing any contract
Bruce did a good job bringing Henderson through at Sunderland, making him a first team regular at 19.
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This is ridiculous, if he was that good, contract or no contract, Bruce would have played him!
He has potential at this point in time, that is all!
He was off injured for a few weeks at the back end of last year.
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If Petrov has just got the wrong end of the stick, hadn't realised that his contract was due up and thought that we were considering a loan, it's not nearly as bad.
Hopefully it is just a misunderstanding and I'll choose to believe that because the alternative, that Petrov has become a cock, is unpleasant.
Agreed
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This is ridiculous, if he was that good, contract or no contract, Bruce would have played him!
He has potential at this point in time, that is all!
so the fact that he is playing Gabby means he's good then
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His stock isn't high. Rangers fans hate him because they're nowhere near Celtic in the league.
Yes, they were really going to push Celtic close in their first season back, weren't they.
Most rational people (ie not Huns) might see 2nd in the top flight as progress, considering the shit state in which he found them.
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He needs to ask himself why if he is so good in his own mind at 18 is the only interest in his services coming from a club that had to reinvent itself in Scotland.
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This is ridiculous, if he was that good, contract or no contract, Bruce would have played him!
He has potential at this point in time, that is all!
He has potential as well. But his actual contribution this season when he came on against Newcastle trumps anything Gabby has done over the past few games.
But then George Weah's 'cousin' who blagged a game for Southampton more than 10 years ago would offer more nuisance value than that useless bloater.
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His stock isn't high. Rangers fans hate him because they're nowhere near Celtic in the league.
Yes, they were really going to push Celtic close in their first season back, weren't they.
Most rational people (ie not Huns) might see 2nd in the top flight as progress, considering the shit state in which he found them.
Fair enough. I'm basing his stock on the (unrealistic) opinions of Rangers fans. It's possible that outsiders might see what he's done there and think he's a decent manager.
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His stock isn't high. Rangers fans hate him because they're nowhere near Celtic in the league.
Have they missed the last 5 years or something?
Any Rangers fan who thought they could seriously challenge Celtic this season is very deluded....hardly any of the Rangers players would get in the Celtic team.
Them finishing above Aberdeen would be a good season.
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I never claimed that they're not deluded.
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Two things to say on this.
Firstly Petrov is beginning to get right on my tits whether it's through social media, or talk sport,or the Mail. Seems to have an opinion on all things Aston Villa, and I genuinely laughed out loud when the mail labelled him a 'legend' - this bloke is bitter about not getting a contract. Misquoted or not, what the fuck has it got to do with him?
Secondly, I won't lose a seconds sleep about this kid going to piss his career up the wall playing Hamilton away and playing second fiddle to Celtic forever. Let him go, who cares. Sick of these players dictating, and at eighteen years old with zero starts who the fuck does he think he is? See ya
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I still have a mental image of him coming on to make his debut and looking as if he was about to shit himself with nerves.
Surely someone can post the video of it on here?
i think it was away at Newcastle- he was shaking like a shitting dog. Came on for the last few minutes to waste a bit of time.
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Newcastle at home, the glorious 0-0! Which I wasn't at so no idea how he looked as I was at a Bromsgrove match.
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I honestly couldn't give a fuck - if he thinks he's better off elsewhere, then he should try his luck.
As for Petrov, as others have said, this isn't the first time we've heard stuff that we'd rather not hear from him.
This club has done lots of things really badly the last five or six years, but one thing they got absolutely right was how they handled Stan's illness. For him to start to act as he has since getting turned down for a contract would be really, really disappointing.
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I still have a mental image of him coming on to make his debut and looking as if he was about to shit himself with nerves.
Surely someone can post the video of it on here?
i think it was away at Newcastle- he was shaking like a shitting dog. Came on for the last few minutes to waste a bit of time.
His debut was against Sunderland, the season before last. I think we were 4-0 up, and Sherwood brought him on for Benteke.
I think it's the last game Agbonlahor turned up for too.
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I think we should back off getting at Petrov. It's all ifs buts and maybes. He was our captain and a big character at a time when we had few on the pitch. He's entitled to comment on things if asked and we don't know what was genuinely said and what was taken out of context. Let's not become a Facebook type lynchmob.
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". Let's not become a Facebook type lynchmob. "
Regrettably that horse has bolted.
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Journos ask Stan the questions, and he answers. Granted at his age he should be wily enough to know he'll get misquoted but I don't think Stan loiters outside the offices of the mail waiting for someone to come out and ask his opinion on something. He was asked because of his connection to Scotland. I'm getting fed up of hearing from him too to be honest, but when you're an ex footballer the last thing you want to do is to start avoiding the media. You take any given opportunity you can to stay within the footballing public eye and pray to the Sky gods that you'll get the odd punditry spot.
I genuinely hope he's not bitter about being turned down in the summer. He worked bloody hard but he must have known the chances were incredibly slim. At his age and after what he's gone through he'll do well to play sunday league every week, let alone the Championship.
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Also lets not forget that English is not his first language. I've lost count of the amount of arguments I have had with my Moldovan wife, who speaks 10 languages, only to find out in the end we both agreed on the same thing!
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Journos ask Stan the questions, and he answers. Granted at his age he should be wily enough to know he'll get misquoted but I don't think Stan loiters outside the offices of the mail waiting for someone to come out and ask his opinion on something. He was asked because of his connection to Scotland. I'm getting fed up of hearing from him too to be honest, but when you're an ex footballer the last thing you want to do is to start avoiding the media. You take any given opportunity you can to stay within the footballing public eye and pray to the Sky gods that you'll get the odd punditry spot.
I genuinely hope he's not bitter about being turned down in the summer. He worked bloody hard but he must have known the chances were incredibly slim. At his age and after what he's gone through he'll do well to play sunday league every week, let alone the Championship.
Given what we watched under a RdM, I'd imagine Stan would have been bewildered that he had been turned away.
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Stan could say 10 things to a journalist of which 9 would be complimentary of the club. However the journalist will always pick the one thing that isn't quite as complimentary. Never talk to the press as they won't print what you say !
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I think we should back off getting at Petrov. It's all ifs buts and maybes. He was our captain and a big character at a time when we had few on the pitch. He's entitled to comment on things if asked and we don't know what was genuinely said and what was taken out of context. Let's not become a Facebook type lynchmob.
Seconded
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The characterisation of fans questioning why Petrov is off talking to the press about the club or its players as a "lynch mob" seems more than a bit overboard.
He shot his mouth off yet again and he knows better. Asking him to shut the hell up seems pretty reasonable. I dont see any of our other midfielders from his era off talking about us or causing trouble with our players contracts, why should he be?
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I think it's fair. Who knows what he did or didn't say? Something gets published and all of a sudden everyone is on his case. He's entitled to say what he thinks.
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The characterisation of fans questioning why Petrov is off talking to the press about the club or its players as a "lynch mob" seems more than a bit overboard.
He shot his mouth off yet again and he knows better. Asking him to shut the hell up seems pretty reasonable. I dont see any of our other midfielders from his era off talking about us or causing trouble with our players contracts, why should he be?
The point is did he shoot his mouth off? Or was he asked a question and innocently answered it? Who wouldn't think a loan to Rangers would be a good move for the player?
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The characterisation of fans questioning why Petrov is off talking to the press about the club or its players as a "lynch mob" seems more than a bit overboard.
He shot his mouth off yet again and he knows better. Asking him to shut the hell up seems pretty reasonable. I dont see any of our other midfielders from his era off talking about us or causing trouble with our players contracts, why should he be?
The point is did he shoot his mouth off? Or was he asked a question and innocently answered it? Who wouldn't think a loan to Rangers would be a good move for the player?
Precisely, it will make no difference to the outcome what Stan did or didn't say.
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I love Stan Petrov
that is all
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Everybody just needs to calm down over this Stan thing and show the same sort of class we treated him with during his illness. He's an honest guy and I doubt very much whatever he said was meant with malice towards the Villa.
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The characterisation of fans questioning why Petrov is off talking to the press about the club or its players as a "lynch mob" seems more than a bit overboard.
He shot his mouth off yet again and he knows better. Asking him to shut the hell up seems pretty reasonable. I dont see any of our other midfielders from his era off talking about us or causing trouble with our players contracts, why should he be?
The point is did he shoot his mouth off? Or was he asked a question and innocently answered it? Who wouldn't think a loan to Rangers would be a good move for the player?
When is RHM's contract up, soon isn't it, hence the requirement for a new one. In what way then would a loan move be a good one? The tone of his comments to the Scottish paper wasn't that it was a loan move, he just said it would be good for the lad to get away from Villa Park. I also can't see that a Scottish paper would have any reason to misrepresent what he said, in any case.
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The characterisation of fans questioning why Petrov is off talking to the press about the club or its players as a "lynch mob" seems more than a bit overboard.
He shot his mouth off yet again and he knows better. Asking him to shut the hell up seems pretty reasonable. I dont see any of our other midfielders from his era off talking about us or causing trouble with our players contracts, why should he be?
The point is did he shoot his mouth off? Or was he asked a question and innocently answered it? Who wouldn't think a loan to Rangers would be a good move for the player?
When is RHM's contract up, soon isn't it, hence the requirement for a new one. In what way then would a loan move be a good one? The tone of his comments to the Scottish paper wasn't that it was a loan move, he just said it would be good for the lad to get away from Villa Park. I also can't see that a Scottish paper would have any reason to misrepresent what he said, in any case.
I suspect he hasn't got an encyclopedic knowledge of of youth team contract expiry dates at Villa. And who knows what question was asked and how it was phrased.
I very much doubt Petrov would deliberately risk his relationship with Villa for something like this, so I'm prepared to accept it was a innocent mistake. If you want to see the worst in everyone so be it.
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The characterisation of fans questioning why Petrov is off talking to the press about the club or its players as a "lynch mob" seems more than a bit overboard.
He shot his mouth off yet again and he knows better. Asking him to shut the hell up seems pretty reasonable. I dont see any of our other midfielders from his era off talking about us or causing trouble with our players contracts, why should he be?
The point is did he shoot his mouth off? Or was he asked a question and innocently answered it? Who wouldn't think a loan to Rangers would be a good move for the player?
When is RHM's contract up, soon isn't it, hence the requirement for a new one. In what way then would a loan move be a good one? The tone of his comments to the Scottish paper wasn't that it was a loan move, he just said it would be good for the lad to get away from Villa Park. I also can't see that a Scottish paper would have any reason to misrepresent what he said, in any case.
The paper that's unofficially known in Scotland as the Daily Ranger?!
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The characterisation of fans questioning why Petrov is off talking to the press about the club or its players as a "lynch mob" seems more than a bit overboard.
He shot his mouth off yet again and he knows better. Asking him to shut the hell up seems pretty reasonable. I dont see any of our other midfielders from his era off talking about us or causing trouble with our players contracts, why should he be?
The point is did he shoot his mouth off? Or was he asked a question and innocently answered it? Who wouldn't think a loan to Rangers would be a good move for the player?
When is RHM's contract up, soon isn't it, hence the requirement for a new one. In what way then would a loan move be a good one? The tone of his comments to the Scottish paper wasn't that it was a loan move, he just said it would be good for the lad to get away from Villa Park. I also can't see that a Scottish paper would have any reason to misrepresent what he said, in any case.
The paper that's unofficially known in Scotland as the Daily Ranger?!
And by Rangers fans as the Daily Rebel?
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The characterisation of fans questioning why Petrov is off talking to the press about the club or its players as a "lynch mob" seems more than a bit overboard.
He shot his mouth off yet again and he knows better. Asking him to shut the hell up seems pretty reasonable. I dont see any of our other midfielders from his era off talking about us or causing trouble with our players contracts, why should he be?
The point is did he shoot his mouth off? Or was he asked a question and innocently answered it? Who wouldn't think a loan to Rangers would be a good move for the player?
When is RHM's contract up, soon isn't it, hence the requirement for a new one. In what way then would a loan move be a good one? The tone of his comments to the Scottish paper wasn't that it was a loan move, he just said it would be good for the lad to get away from Villa Park. I also can't see that a Scottish paper would have any reason to misrepresent what he said, in any case.
I suspect he hasn't got an encyclopedic knowledge of of youth team contract expiry dates at Villa. And who knows what question was asked and how it was phrased.
I very much doubt Petrov would deliberately risk his relationship with Villa for something like this, so I'm prepared to accept it was a innocent mistake. If you want to see the worst in everyone so be it.
Isn't there a bit of a jump from being a bit disappointed in Stan to "seeing the worst in everyone"?
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The characterisation of fans questioning why Petrov is off talking to the press about the club or its players as a "lynch mob" seems more than a bit overboard.
He shot his mouth off yet again and he knows better. Asking him to shut the hell up seems pretty reasonable. I dont see any of our other midfielders from his era off talking about us or causing trouble with our players contracts, why should he be?
The point is did he shoot his mouth off? Or was he asked a question and innocently answered it? Who wouldn't think a loan to Rangers would be a good move for the player?
When is RHM's contract up, soon isn't it, hence the requirement for a new one. In what way then would a loan move be a good one? The tone of his comments to the Scottish paper wasn't that it was a loan move, he just said it would be good for the lad to get away from Villa Park. I also can't see that a Scottish paper would have any reason to misrepresent what he said, in any case.
The paper that's unofficially known in Scotland as the Daily Ranger?!
And by Rangers fans as the Daily Rebel?
Ah, I didn't know that. I had no idea how biased my circle up there was towards the left foot!
Still, it's not hard to see why they might have an interest in piquing the interest of the Rangers fans.
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The characterisation of fans questioning why Petrov is off talking to the press about the club or its players as a "lynch mob" seems more than a bit overboard.
He shot his mouth off yet again and he knows better. Asking him to shut the hell up seems pretty reasonable. I dont see any of our other midfielders from his era off talking about us or causing trouble with our players contracts, why should he be?
The point is did he shoot his mouth off? Or was he asked a question and innocently answered it? Who wouldn't think a loan to Rangers would be a good move for the player?
When is RHM's contract up, soon isn't it, hence the requirement for a new one. In what way then would a loan move be a good one? The tone of his comments to the Scottish paper wasn't that it was a loan move, he just said it would be good for the lad to get away from Villa Park. I also can't see that a Scottish paper would have any reason to misrepresent what he said, in any case.
I suspect he hasn't got an encyclopedic knowledge of of youth team contract expiry dates at Villa. And who knows what question was asked and how it was phrased.
I very much doubt Petrov would deliberately risk his relationship with Villa for something like this, so I'm prepared to accept it was a innocent mistake. If you want to see the worst in everyone so be it.
Isn't there a bit of a jump from being a bit disappointed in Stan to "seeing the worst in everyone"?
Strange to pick up on that phraseology, but yeah, Risso does strike me as a pretty negative poster generally so no, it's not really such a huge leap if you want to take the wording literally.
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RHM scores from the spot to equalise 3-3 against smethwick.
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Is this your prediction for our title winning match and goal for next season?
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Nope - it was the score in the U23 match last night at Kidderminster. :-)
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Is this your prediction for our title winning match and goal for next season?
U23s match from last night
Andre Green was a threat to the Baggies backline throughout while Rushian Hepburn-Murphy worked his way into numerous openings but could not find the target.
https://www.avfc.co.uk/News/2017/01/09/west-brom-u23-away-report
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Is this your prediction for our title winning match and goal for next season?
U23s match from last night
Andre Green was a threat to the Baggies backline throughout while Rushian Hepburn-Murphy worked his way into numerous openings but could not find the target.
https://www.avfc.co.uk/News/2017/01/09/west-brom-u23-away-report
Given our lack of guile we should give both these kids an extended run in the team - Green, particularly, seems capable of getting beyond the fullback in a way that Adomah doesn't.
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The Stripy twat that works for me went and suggested RHM was very lively and the pick of our players.
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That's no way to talk about your subordinate - unless his twattishness is wholly correlated to his Stripyness.
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His twattishness knows no bounds. He is a particularly bitter fucker about the football though.
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Is this your prediction for our title winning match and goal for next season?
U23s match from last night
Andre Green was a threat to the Baggies backline throughout while Rushian Hepburn-Murphy worked his way into numerous openings but could not find the target.
https://www.avfc.co.uk/News/2017/01/09/west-brom-u23-away-report
Given our lack of guile we should give both these kids an extended run in the team - Green, particularly, seems capable of getting beyond the fullback in a way that Adomah doesn't.
I have seen Adomah get beyond a full back plenty of times.
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Is this your prediction for our title winning match and goal for next season?
U23s match from last night
Andre Green was a threat to the Baggies backline throughout while Rushian Hepburn-Murphy worked his way into numerous openings but could not find the target.
https://www.avfc.co.uk/News/2017/01/09/west-brom-u23-away-report
Given our lack of guile we should give both these kids an extended run in the team - Green, particularly, seems capable of getting beyond the fullback in a way that Adomah doesn't.
I have seen Adomah get beyond a full back plenty of times.
Really?
He is too slow to get the ball in ... but then, that goes for several of our players. They all to want too long on the ball, apart from the Jedi who always looks for the first-time pass.
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There's rarely anyone in the box to benefit from an early ball anyway. Maybe that's the reason deliveries are delayed.
As for RHM - I wonder if he will get the Delph treatment.
Delph - Signed a contract so we at least got a decent return albeit with a dubious end to his Villa career.
RHM - Refusing to extend his contract meaning the club could end up making a loss on his development with an estimated £200k expected by tribunal should he leave.
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There's rarely anyone in the box to benefit from an early ball anyway. Maybe that's the reason deliveries are delayed.
As for RHM - I wonder if he will get the Delph treatment.
Delph - Signed a contract so we at least got a decent return albeit with a dubious end to his Villa career.
RHM - Refusing to extend his contract meaning the club could end up making a loss on his development with an estimated £200k expected by tribunal should he leave.
He will end up at Stevenage
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Is it time to bite the bullet and bring him into the team, new contract or not?
I don't see any point in cutting off our nose to spite our face and if RHM can contribute more than Gabby, and it's hard to see how he couldn't, then shouldn't we just make use of the asset we are paying for whilst we still have him?
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He got injured for the U23's last week.
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I saw something suggesting he was close to signing his new contract - not sure if anyone else has any more info?
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Just read on reliable Twitter, that he posted something on instagram regarding signing a new contract.
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wasn't his post more to do with him returning from injury or has he posted something more explicit now?
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It would be the icing on the cake on what has in truth been a superb transfer window to lock down RHM. We just need the results to turn for us now and with Kodjia also back this could be a fun second half to the season.
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Just read on reliable Twitter, that he posted something on instagram regarding signing a new contract.
Please can you quote what you read help us h and v on here. Many thanks GSK
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Sorry footy, im not on Instagram, it was posted on Twitter by ' The AVFC Faithful ' whoever they are.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/AVFCLions/status/824579171426963456
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I just read the link
Well that's cleared that up then . . .
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Yes, I wouldn't call it conclusive evidence.
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Hope he signs. Even if it just means we get a fee at some point in the future.
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Dr T has tweeted:
RHM has got a new got a new agent and has agreed terms but not penned deal yet.
Good news! happy friday...
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Dr T has tweeted:
RHM has got a new got a new agent and has agreed terms but not penned deal yet.
Good news! happy friday...
Until he tweets in the terms of a mathematical equation most people haven't a hope in hell of understanding I refuse to believe it.
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Would be excellent news if he signs a new deal.
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so we now have
DTA as well as ITSOP?
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On the verge of signing a new 3 year deal.
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Signed
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Good lad you knew it made sense. Fight for your place now son!
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Great news, hopefully can start to get on the bench and make an impact. Hopefully means the last we see of Gabby too.
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SAATHAP
(https://d16b4kgyytl7c7.cloudfront.net/~/media/RHMContractMain.ashx?h=720&la=en&mw=1280&w=1280&vs=1&d=20170203T134327Z&hash=36149B82E4BBFDC03F07C94557340D6E45F0CD39)
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How old is he?
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18.
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Great news, hopefully can start to get on the bench and make an impact. Hopefully means the last we see of Gabby too.
He's injured, at present. No idea how long for.
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It's the right decision. Now work hard young man. You'll get what you deserve if you do.
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No problem with Rushian's work rate.
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Great news, not least that it gives us another option up front!
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Should expect to see him in the squad tomorrow then.
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Very happy he got rid of his agent and signed a new contract.
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With Gabby out for a couple of months he will now, at least, should compete for a place on the bench with Keinan Davis.
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Should expect to see him in the squad tomorrow then.
Still injured. We only have two fit strikers!
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Is he definitely still injured?
Shame
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I missed this, cracking news that he's signed and also replaced his agent.
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Great news, hopefully can start to get on the bench and make an impact. Hopefully means the last we see of Gabby too.
He's injured, at present. No idea how long for.
Surprise, surprise, he doesn't sign until he gets injured, then all of a sudden he wants to sign a new contract?
I wonder how serious his injury is or perceived to be?
Loyalty don't make me laugh!
As long as we get some money for him when he gets himself fit and wants to piss off again!
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Don't get the big fuss
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Great news, hopefully can start to get on the bench and make an impact. Hopefully means the last we see of Gabby too.
He's injured, at present. No idea how long for.
Surprise, surprise, he doesn't sign until he gets injured, then all of a sudden he wants to sign a new contract?
I wonder how serious his injury is or perceived to be?
Loyalty don't make me laugh!
As long as we get some money for him when he gets himself fit and wants to piss off again!
That's nonsense really isn't it? If he didn't want to stay, he wouldn't have signed a contract, injured or not.
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Great news, hopefully can start to get on the bench and make an impact. Hopefully means the last we see of Gabby too.
He's injured, at present. No idea how long for.
Surprise, surprise, he doesn't sign until he gets injured, then all of a sudden he wants to sign a new contract?
I wonder how serious his injury is or perceived to be?
Loyalty don't make me laugh!
As long as we get some money for him when he gets himself fit and wants to piss off again!
Hysterical nonsense.
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Clearly RHM was being influenced by an Agent with not necessarily the players interests at heart - resulting in RHM getting rid of him. As soon as he changes Agents he signs - any coincidence there??
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I think the original point was that Gabby is injured, not RHM.
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Clearly RHM was being influenced by an Agent with not necessarily the players interests at heart - resulting in RHM getting rid of him. As soon as he changes Agents he signs - any coincidence there??
I'm sure I read that his father was acting for him previously.
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Whoever is his agent, I am delighted that we are keeping him.
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Clearly RHM was being influenced by an Agent with not necessarily the players interests at heart - resulting in RHM getting rid of him. As soon as he changes Agents he signs - any coincidence there??
I'm sure I read that his father was acting for him previously.
Don't listen to your Daddy, kids.
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I think the original point was that Gabby is injured, not RHM.
RHM is injured and has been for a couple of weeks.
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Time for RHM to play? Hopefully he's fit?
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He's likely to get his chance now. Can't be less effective than his senior squad mates.
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Get him in the team with Green. If they don't get a few games now they'll be thinking WTF.
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I don't see a lot in Green - for those who've seen him play in the juniors/reserves, what's his strengths?
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I don't see a lot in Green - for those who've seen him play in the juniors/reserves, what's his strengths?
He's pretty raw, definitely, but is reasonably quick and has decent ball control/dribbling i'd say. Think the thing i've been most impressed is that, given his inexperience, he doesn't seem to give the ball away that much, which suggests he makes the right decision more often than others of his experience level. That said, long way to go
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You can't rely on kids to get us out of this division.........nor to keep us in it ! IMO
Give 'em some time when we are safe and sound...or has finally defeated the mathematics of promotion.
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You can't rely on kids to get us out of this division.........nor to keep us in it ! IMO
Give 'em some time when we are safe and sound...or has finally defeated the mathematics of promotion.
You sound like Alan Hansen. The older guys are letting us down.
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Yes, I re-read that in a Scottish accent and you're right. But the kids he was decrying included some rather better players than Green, RHM , Davis and Sarkic etc IMHO
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Where is he is pre season? I have not seen his name mentioned .....
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Injured and in recovery according to the good Doc on Twitter
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Injured and in recovery according to the good Doc on Twitter
That is why he signed his new contract in the end because he knew he had a bad injury otherwise I doubt he would have signed it!
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Sounds about normal for a Villa player signing a contract - injured !!
Do we know how long he is out for ...guess if missing pre season its October at least ...would have been decent as someone coming off bench
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Injured and in recovery according to the good Doc on Twitter
That is why he signed his new contract in the end because he knew he had a bad injury otherwise I doubt he would have signed it!
Why would having a injury make any difference whether he'd signed a new contract or not?
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Sounds about normal for a Villa player signing a contract - injured !!
Do we know how long he is out for ...guess if missing pre season its October at least ...would have been decent as someone coming off bench
Be like a new signing ;-)
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Injured and in recovery according to the good Doc on Twitter
That is why he signed his new contract in the end because he knew he had a bad injury otherwise I doubt he would have signed it!
Why would having a injury make any difference whether he'd signed a new contract or not?
He wants to get paid?
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Injured and in recovery according to the good Doc on Twitter
That is why he signed his new contract in the end because he knew he had a bad injury otherwise I doubt he would have signed it!
Why would having a injury make any difference whether he'd signed a new contract or not?
If you remember he was haggling over a new deal and refused to sign a new contract but that all changed when he got injured!
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Injured and in recovery according to the good Doc on Twitter
That is why he signed his new contract in the end because he knew he had a bad injury otherwise I doubt he would have signed it!
Why would having a injury make any difference whether he'd signed a new contract or not?
If you remember he was haggling over a new deal and refused to sign a new contract but that all changed when he got injured!
How do you know he wouldn't have signed it if he wasn't injured? He has played since he signed the contract.
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Ha, conspiracy theories are us :-)
Reality is at the end of last season Bruce said RHM and Green had long standing muscle injuries that needed rest, treatment and recuperation - I'd imagine RHM is taking a bit longer and the club are taking it easy with him.
Alternatively we could rush him back for preseason and risk him getting injured again straight away.
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Apparently he's likely to play in an under 23 game this week
On Green, I think it's his all round game (he's big and strong for a winger, fast, can score and take people on). I do agree that I'm not sure what he's oustnsinf at, if anything, and I think he's been mixed the last couple of games
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Played today and scored ...will play at Tamworth on Friday also
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Injured again and taken off early in tonight's game
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Injured again and taken off early in tonight's game
Tweeted after the game and didn't mention any injury so possibly just taken off as a precaution:
Rushian H-MurphyVerified account @Rushcmpt 2h2 hours ago
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Lovely 4-0 win against Tamworth! More minutes in the tank🦁⚡️💪🏾 #avfc
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The evening mail bloke suggested he was taken off as arranged and nothing serious
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Good to hear. Really have high hopes for this lad.
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Injured again and taken off early in tonight's game
Tweeted after the game and didn't mention any injury so possibly just taken off as a precaution:
Rushian H-MurphyVerified account @Rushcmpt 2h2 hours ago
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Lovely 4-0 win against Tamworth! More minutes in the tank🦁⚡️💪🏾 #avfc
That's good then. The original report had him injured. This kid needs a break to get back to full fitness.
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Surprised RHM wasn't on the bench yesterday? Especially with Hogan not 100%? Hope he starts against Wigan. RHM and Davis up front in a two would be interesting.
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Davis should not play on Tuesday ...keep him till Friday
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Davis is a must start in the league now, so unless Gallagher is in this week too, I would be wrapping him up a bit! Would like to see RHM get a start though in the cup.
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He's injured
Missed the u 23 game last week
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Not having a lot of luck is he? Shame because this is his chance to make a breakthrough. Hope it doesn't pass him by.....
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is the geezer made of glass? thought he looked good when he came on in the cup game.
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What is the latest injury? Worrying amount of injuries for his age.
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Bruce said RHM is out until October with a thigh injury. Will we ever see him? Only 19 with so many injury problems is worrying.
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The new Adama.
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This seems to happen with young very fast players I think
It is a concern
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His style of play makes him vulnerable to injury. He burrows into the situations where the skin and hair is flying. Brave players get lots of knocks. Yes Downing I am looking at you.
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Eh, I'd rather have someone less brave who stays on the pitch than someone whose feats of bravery constantly lead him to the physio's table.
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I have seen a lot of Villa players over a a lot of years and I rate him. No more than that and no less. It's not about bravery per se, it is about combativity. Maybe he will make it. Maybe he won't.
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He need to get his body in fighting shape for football and need to be smarter in protecting himself. Perhaps he need to take up Martial Art to tough up his body and legs.
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You could have a good point there SPA. A player needs to learn to use a less breakable bit of his body to bunt an opponent. Why stick in your foot with its breakable bones when you can use your arse. See Carew, J.
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His style of play makes him vulnerable to injury. He burrows into the situations where the skin and hair is flying. Brave players get lots of knocks. Yes Downing I am looking at you.
Maybe he needs to be smarter, not just to have a long career but any career at all. I don't want my skill players throwing them into situations like you've described. I'd rather see the likes of Downing* or RHM setting up or scoring goals.
* off course I'd now like to see Downing on top of a pile of burning tires but my point remains
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Badly needs a spell on loan somewhere to get first team football experience. Fairly pointless playing u23 games
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How much longer is he out? I don't think I've ever seen a clear statement
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Bruce said he's got a thigh injury. Back in October I think.
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Nearly November - where is RHM??
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does he actually exist in real time?
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Bruce said he's got a thigh injury. Back in October I think.
2019?
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It must have been hard to diagnose. Perhaps, lupus or sarcoidosis.
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It must have been hard to diagnose. Perhaps, lupus or sarcoidosis.
It's never Lupus! Check his eyes for Kayser–Fleischer rings!
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Must admit I had forgot about him ...... he is injured more than Gabby
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He's out with a hamstring injury. To have as many injuries as he's having at his age doesn't really bode well.
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Nearly November - where is RHM??
He has gone away on a pilgrimage, not to find himself but to finally find out why Barry didn’t take the penalty.
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He’s had more injuries than than Evil Kenievel that lad. He makes Nathan Baker look like Robocop.
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Nearly November - where is RHM??
He has gone away on a pilgrimage, not to find himself but to finally find out why Barry didn’t take the penalty.
Ho Ho Ho.
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No need to rushian him back...sorry
I will leave right away.
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He’s had more injuries than than Evil Kenievel that lad. He makes Nathan Baker look like Robocop.
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Protect the innocent, hoof the ball.
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How many games did he play under Steve Bruce ?
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He came on as a sub at Fulham.
Really struggling to recall another game, Cardiff?
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Approx 20 mins at Colchester this season. Last season it was approx 15 mins at Fulham, 10 at Cardiff, and 5 mins at home to Newcastle under RDM.
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He's not tweeted in a few weeks.
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If he is NFL player he would got cut.
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He’s also 19 years old, the club doctors will be in charge of his health, not every kid is ready at 17 like Rooney was. Better 6-8-12 months sorting out muscular injuries now rather than play 2-3 games be out for a month, play 2-3 games etc
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Omg I completely forgot about RHM! He's completely fell off the radar. The club and his dodgy agent spent what seemed like forever agreeing a new deal then he promptly done a disappearing act. Strange one this.
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If he is NFL player he would got cut.
I don't follow American sports but that sounds quite brutal.
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Back in training today
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Omg I completely forgot about RHM! He's completely fell off the radar. The club and his dodgy agent spent what seemed like forever agreeing a new deal then he promptly done a disappearing act. Strange one this.
Not really. He's had injury problems and in his absence the likes of Davis and O'Hare have really prospered.
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How do you justify the description of his agent being "dodgy"? Perhaps there is evidence of such a description. If not it is litigious thin ice best not ventured on.
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Could be the injection of pace we're looking for. Hopefully on the bench against QPR.
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Could be the injection of pace we're looking for. Hopefully on the bench against QPR.
It's nice to think there's him and Green to come back and give us more energy.
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Nice to have him back a fit RHM can only be good for the team.
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He has to get ahead of Samba first.
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Before we pin our season hopes on a kid that has featured very little and has scored zero 1st team goals I would ease caution
He is one of the few players that gets better the less they play - I have seen not a great deal to be excited about yet with him
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Whose pinning hopes? He looks a good player and I'd like him in the squad to develop, like Davis, because I think he will offer us something.
If you weren't at Sunderland or Cardiff, you wont have seen anything.
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I haven't seen much of him either but what I have I have been impressed with. He puts in a shift, has pace and an eye for goal. Hogan or a fit RHM? Half a RHM would be more productive.
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Is this another case where injured players somehow become supermen?
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Is this another case where injured players somehow become supermen?
Before we pin our season hopes on a kid that has featured very little and has scored zero 1st team goals I would ease caution
He is one of the few players that gets better the less they play - I have seen not a great deal to be excited about yet with him
Going to combine this, both posts are grossly unfair, literally no one is calling him a saviour or superman, or anything like that. However anyone who has seen him at any level can tell you he is quick and busy. If he can bring that into the first team it does give us a different option up front and, with Hogan looking more and more like a terrible signing, we desperately need that right now. He scored 7 in 12 for the reserves last year despite his injuries, it's not the sort of record that forces him into starting for the first team but it's enough to be worth a look and that's what people are wanting.
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Is this another case where injured players somehow become supermen?
Before we pin our season hopes on a kid that has featured very little and has scored zero 1st team goals I would ease caution
He is one of the few players that gets better the less they play - I have seen not a great deal to be excited about yet with him
Going to combine this, both posts are grossly unfair, literally no one is calling him a saviour or superman, or anything like that. However anyone who has seen him at any level can tell you he is quick and busy. If he can bring that into the first team it does give us a different option up front and, with Hogan looking more and more like a terrible signing, we desperately need that right now. He scored 7 in 12 for the reserves last year despite his injuries, it's not the sort of record that forces him into starting for the first team but it's enough to be worth a look and that's what people are wanting.
He needs a run of first team games on loan quickly, cant understand why the club arent making it happen. U23 and reserve games are relatively pointless. RHM looks very raw to me, Davis at least can physically compete .
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I agree playing for our reserves/U23s is relatively pointless because they play such a different way that it's practically another sport, that one of the reasons, in my eyes, that we have such a tough time transitioning the kids into the first team and so many leave us and then do well somewhere else.
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Whose pinning hopes? He looks a good player and I'd like him in the squad to develop, like Davis, because I think he will offer us something.
If you weren't at Sunderland or Cardiff, you wont have seen anything.
Home to Newcastle too, came on and looked lively. Ayew spark and a Tish equaliser, all seems a long while ago now.
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Surely Hogan will not be starting next game. I would prefer Samba up front.
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Surely Hogan will not be starting next game. I would prefer Samba up front.
At least he scores.
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I always thought he was Rush-Ian but the PA bloke just called him Ru-Sian
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I always thought he was Rush-Ian but the PA bloke just called him Ru-Sian
It’s a daft name however it’s pronounced.
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Well I'm happy he got his first ever start and actually felt it was very tough for him in the way villa played v yeovil.
I don't think set up was right and RHM was up against the tallest player ever and others who seemed to dominate him physically .
Felt Bruce was loathe to play the youngers and his comments after were telling .
I think constantly RHM didn't have support and yes he fluffed his main chance but I would certainly keep him involved however if we get a loan of say Abrahams then we would loan him away maybe to even someone like Yeovil
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You're right Skillz, he was isolated and had no support, the ball was launched in the air to him constantly. He did miss a great chance but the lad needs more minutes.
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Either the player marking him is a giant or RHM is on the small side to lead the line. We really need a target up front.
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He needs to cut his teeth and go out on loan to learn more about big boys football. He will be playing against Hulk and Collosas on a weekly basis and will have to learn how to combat this.
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You're right Skillz, he was isolated and had no support, the ball was launched in the air to him constantly. He did miss a great chance but the lad needs more minutes.
Gsk I fear Bruce kinda put him in under a guide of giving youth a chance if they don't score 3 then it proves there not ready.
I hope he gets minutes some where down the line. Showered flashes of skillz and play just having his first start is wonderful for him and maybe he would have played the 90 if we were leading
He and Doyle Hayes were first to go off proved 'correct' but if he was on with JK and JG then he may have been scoring that goal or getting chances
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After reading SB comments after the game, I'd say you're definitely right Skillz.
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Needs a loan - once we've got cover
He does face a fairly big challenge. Most teams do play with one up front now. He's always going to find that really difficult. His type is pretty rare nowadays - unless you're so good that you can play for an elite side like man city
I think he might need to learn to play wide in a three
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He could be Sterling esque but I think Bruce fundamentally likes the bigger burlers build rather than the technical side .
He doesn't suit Bruce style of play and RHM probably needs a loan regardless of incomings .
In some ways a good manager would adapt the play and systems to suit the players he has .
Greeny is another who could be used up top or off striker .
Brucey seems not to trust anything but experience which isn't on really .
Yes there is strong case for tried and tested and Bruce himself is tried and tested but he won't risk much I guess because he believes in his methods .
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He's looked good off the bench so far
I'd hoped yday might have boosted his confidence, but I suspect it may have done the opposite
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I posted on the match thread last night that the one person most likely to benefit from the introduction of Jack was RHM and what did Bruce do? Took him off!
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Really felt for him last night. I've always thought that being a loan-striker must be the most unemployable way of playing football. You basically spent the entirety of the match chasing lost causes and being battered by the opposition centre-backs. I can only assume that Bruce wanted to provide RHM with experience of that, as using him in that formation last night really provided no other purpose. IMO, it would have been much more effective to have played him wide and asked Adomah to play through the middle.
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A lot of teams play only one up top though and it works for them - it's all about the support from the flanks and the midfielders none of which happened last night.
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A lot of teams play only one up top though and it works for them - it's all about the support from the flanks and the midfielders none of which happened last night.
But how many of them are 5ft 8" 19 year-olds? And in fairness to the wingers, he was teed-up at least once by Green, only to fluff his lines.
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At least once and at most once. This kid has a lot in his locker and we need to give him a decent run of games to show that.
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Sadly he wont give him a run of games because he wants to show the owners he needs some loanees in, his interview last night was stage managed to put maximum pressure on them.
However whichever players he gets in Bruce will not play to their strengths which is highlighted by the way he has used Hogan since he was signed. He works so hard running the channels but the only player capable of finding him his is Jack and hopefully now McGinn. I just find it bizarre that we scout a player, sign them and ignore what made them a success in the first place. Sadly Bruce wants an old fashioned target man to hold the ball up which makes Davis absence since he broke through even more baffling.
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If I'm honest, and this is an isolated exception, I actually feel a bit for Bruce with this one. Hepburn-Murphy is undoubtedly a talented player for his age and we'd all love to see him progress into the first-team. Would I be happy to put my faith in him for the remainder of this season and not bring-in another striker? Absolutely not. For all of Bruce's unhelpful tactics, Tuesday night highlighted RHM's limitations at this stage. He's tiny. Really tiny, and easily bullied by centre-halves. Even in wide-areas he was unable to get past his marker/s and was generally ineffective. Regardless of his record at U23 / Youth Team level I've seen absolutely nothing in his first-team appearances YET to suggest that he's ready to be n the first-team, even as a regular on the bench.
We can all point the finger at Bruce for not developing him, but he's also been hampered by his own injury record. Bruce's remit is one thing and one thing only - to get us promoted. If bringing through youth-team players contributes towards that, then brilliant, but it's also down to those players to grab that opportunity. At the moment I've not seen RHM do any more than the likes of Luke and Stefan Moore did at a similar stage.
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Luke Moore did a lot more to be honest. At one stage he looked a very good player indeed.
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What surprised me most in the first half was how poor his first touch was when balls were played into him. Nothing stuck. He wasn't alone in that mind. In fact, thinking about it the pitch looked very dry making the ball less easy to control. I want to see more of RHM because he has showed that he can play in patches previously.
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Luke Moore did a lot more to be honest. At one stage he looked a very good player indeed.
Moore looked very good for the 2nd half of DOLs last season and for a few months after mon arrived (when he was playing on the left of a 3) but he picked up an injury in about November and never got back from it because Young came in and replaced him. I think going to the baggies then ruined him and he's never got back to even the level he was in that first year or so let alone lived up to his potential.
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Is he even playing anymoore?
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Luke Moore did a lot more to be honest. At one stage he looked a very good player indeed.
Moore looked very good for the 2nd half of DOLs last season and for a few months after mon arrived (when he was playing on the left of a 3) but he picked up an injury in about November and never got back from it because Young came in and replaced him. I think going to the baggies then ruined him and he's never got back to even the level he was in that first year or so let alone lived up to his potential.
He had a decent spell at Swansea IIRC.
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I do think RHM has a good touch - I've seen it before
But it's just not tested at under 23 level where there's so much time and space
Similarly I think JDH is a talented passer. But the extra pressure on the ball on Tuesday meant that he was invariably passing backwards and sideways
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If I'm honest, and this is an isolated exception, I actually feel a bit for Bruce with this one. Hepburn-Murphy is undoubtedly a talented player for his age and we'd all love to see him progress into the first-team. Would I be happy to put my faith in him for the remainder of this season and not bring-in another striker? Absolutely not. For all of Bruce's unhelpful tactics, Tuesday night highlighted RHM's limitations at this stage. He's tiny. Really tiny, and easily bullied by centre-halves. Even in wide-areas he was unable to get past his marker/s and was generally ineffective. Regardless of his record at U23 / Youth Team level I've seen absolutely nothing in his first-team appearances YET to suggest that he's ready to be n the first-team, even as a regular on the bench.
We can all point the finger at Bruce for not developing him, but he's also been hampered by his own injury record. Bruce's remit is one thing and one thing only - to get us promoted. If bringing through youth-team players contributes towards that, then brilliant, but it's also down to those players to grab that opportunity. At the moment I've not seen RHM do any more than the likes of Luke and Stefan Moore did at a similar stage.
This!
I don’t think he’s as good as we all want him to be.
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Yeovil were extremely dominant physically so other opponents may be less problematic for him
But I do think it's hard to see how such a midget can be a number 9 in the modern game
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Nobody is a bigger fan of RHM than I am but I was really amazed to see him beaten one on one in a foot race against Wigan. He is either not as good as I thought he is or he is not fully fit. I hope it is the latter.
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Possibly both?
I haven't seen him in the U23s and in a somewhat counter intuitive way I think it helps make a clearer judgement.
There haven't been (m)any players I've seen down the years who prove you wrong based on your initial views. It's not that you expect young players to have great games but you do expect them to show something that makes you think that they've got promise.
As somebody said earlier the U23s don't really matter that much. Here, now and in his other 1st team appearances I haven't seen much cause for optimism.
By the same token, I think Green has shown glimpses of what he may be able to do given a clear run from injuries - although with him I suspect that once injury prone, always injury prone, and unfortunately in the end won't amount to much either.
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Yeovil were extremely dominant physically so other opponents may be less problematic for him
But I do think it's hard to see how such a midget can be a number 9 in the modern game
He seems to have 2 heights! Depending on the source (googled his name with question for height) he is either 1.73 metres (5ft 8 inches) or 1.87 metres (6ft 1.5 inches).
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Well he definitely isn't over 6 foot is he
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Well he definitely isn't over 6 foot is he
He is, he's just far away.
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It is a big step up for the lad, but he was being pumped up long balls to the centre halves. How did we score our goal? A cracking ball into space and good skills then by Kodjia. Instead of slagging off the kids, give them the chance to play alongside the real players in the team. I have to say the manager has gone even more down in my estimation with his comments about the youngsters, And as for the comment about the keeper, I will reserve judgement but he bottled that one on one big time
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I've read a lot of people criticising Bruce's post match comments. Perhaps they would prefer a manager to say something like "We were excellent", when actually we were poor?
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I've read a lot of people criticising Bruce's post match comments. Perhaps they would prefer a manager to say something like "We were excellent", when actually we were poor?
I take your point, but there must Shirley be an alternative to the polarities of Lambobull and Bruciebull. Something like the truth, maybe.
The truth will set you free.
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I've read a lot of people criticising Bruce's post match comments. Perhaps they would prefer a manager to say something like "We were excellent", when actually we were poor?
He said we were poor, if he'd left it at that no one would've had a problem, but saying the kids struggled because they weren't used to real football was the bit people didn't like.
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It's true though, isn't it?
It's massive step up from U23 to 1st team football - that's why so many teams send their players out on loan to div 1 & 2 teams.
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Its true if you never play them and integrate them slowly. Davis did not do too bad when he came through last season but we virtually never saw him after Christmas think about chances last season when he couls have given run outs to Green, RHM, JDH, Davis and O'Hare or at the very least keep them involved with the first team squad and give them a cameo here and there. Instead we get to play other peoples loanees and give them the experience.
That to me just sums up that he is not trying to build anything but just wants a short term fix.
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Green, RHM and Davis were basically injured for the second half of the sea
Its true if you never play them and integrate them slowly. Davis did not do too bad when he came through last season but we virtually never saw him after Christmas think about chances last season when he couls have given run outs to Green, RHM, JDH, Davis and O'Hare or at the very least keep them involved with the first team squad and give them a cameo here and there. Instead we get to play other peoples loanees and give them the experience.
That to me just sums up that he is not trying to build anything but just wants a short term fix.
Hepburn-Murphy and Green were injured for most of last season and Davis from March onwards.
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If the other clubs loanees was a reference to Onamah then I'd say Bruce was right to play him. I actually thought he was a decent player and was in the team on merit on the occasions he played - not just to give hm game time at the expense of the other players mentioned.
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Its true if you never play them and integrate them slowly. Davis did not do too bad when he came through last season but we virtually never saw him after Christmas think about chances last season when he couls have given run outs to Green, RHM, JDH, Davis and O'Hare or at the very least keep them involved with the first team squad and give them a cameo here and there. Instead we get to play other peoples loanees and give them the experience.
That to me just sums up that he is not trying to build anything but just wants a short term fix.
Green and RHM were injured at the back end of last season. Davis got plenty of chancesThe only hard luck story of that crew really is O'Hare who got very limited chances and by all accounts wasn't allowed go on loan either. The reality is loanees like Snodgrass were vastly superior to some of the options above, though Bruce should certainly have rotated a lot more last season.
To be honest I wouldn't see the job of the manager to build anything long term, that should be the responsibility of the CEO or director of football.
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Tell that to Pochetinno
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Its true if you never play them and integrate them slowly. Davis did not do too bad when he came through last season but we virtually never saw him after Christmas think about chances last season when he couls have given run outs to Green, RHM, JDH, Davis and O'Hare or at the very least keep them involved with the first team squad and give them a cameo here and there. Instead we get to play other peoples loanees and give them the experience.
That to me just sums up that he is not trying to build anything but just wants a short term fix.
Green and RHM were injured at the back end of last season. Davis got plenty of chancesThe only hard luck story of that crew really is O'Hare who got very limited chances and by all accounts wasn't allowed go on loan either. The reality is loanees like Snodgrass were vastly superior to some of the options above, though Bruce should certainly have rotated a lot more last season.
To be honest I wouldn't see the job of the manager to build anything long term, that should be the responsibility of the CEO or director of football.
The bold bit is the key. I don't think anyone is wanting 5-6 of the kids to start 30-40 games but to have 20-30 minutes fairly regularly because not only does it give them the experience they need but it also means you not flogging the life out of the senior players.
Aside from that any manager who isn't thinking of 2-3 seasons at a club is a charlatan who knows he'll only last as long as it takes the board to figure him out. On that basis we should be seeing now work done by Bruce in the first few months to make sure the kids were learning to play a way that would benefit the first team. Bruce has never done that, he has no record of dragging a kid from the academy up so they become a top player. He can recognise a player with ability when it's in front of him, even if they're young, but he can't, for example, watch a young winger and think "I'd make a good full back out of him".
One of the things people like about him is the supposed honesty but I think that's mostly just because he sees the game the same way a fan does so people hear him echoing what they thought. The problem is that he just can't do anything about it beyond buying in players that someone else has developed.
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Its true if you never play them and integrate them slowly. Davis did not do too bad when he came through last season but we virtually never saw him after Christmas think about chances last season when he couls have given run outs to Green, RHM, JDH, Davis and O'Hare or at the very least keep them involved with the first team squad and give them a cameo here and there. Instead we get to play other peoples loanees and give them the experience.
That to me just sums up that he is not trying to build anything but just wants a short term fix.
Green and RHM were injured at the back end of last season. Davis got plenty of chancesThe only hard luck story of that crew really is O'Hare who got very limited chances and by all accounts wasn't allowed go on loan either. The reality is loanees like Snodgrass were vastly superior to some of the options above, though Bruce should certainly have rotated a lot more last season.
To be honest I wouldn't see the job of the manager to build anything long term, that should be the responsibility of the CEO or director of football.
The bold bit is the key. I don't think anyone is wanting 5-6 of the kids to start 30-40 games but to have 20-30 minutes fairly regularly because not only does it give them the experience they need but it also means you not flogging the life out of the senior players.
Aside from that any manager who isn't thinking of 2-3 seasons at a club is a charlatan who knows he'll only last as long as it takes the board to figure him out. On that basis we should be seeing now work done by Bruce in the first few months to make sure the kids were learning to play a way that would benefit the first team. Bruce has never done that, he has no record of dragging a kid from the academy up so they become a top player. He can recognise a player with ability when it's in front of him, even if they're young, but he can't, for example, watch a young winger and think "I'd make a good full back out of him".
One of the things people like about him is the supposed honesty but I think that's mostly just because he sees the game the same way a fan does so people hear him echoing what they thought. The problem is that he just can't do anything about it beyond buying in players that someone else has developed.
I think it's important that a manager thinks long term,otherwise ,unless you are a Citeh ,Chelsea or Man Ure,there is no sustainability.The big difference between SGT and MON.The latter's approach was let someone else deal with the consequences of overspending at clubs like Leicester,Celtic and Villa.
SGT valued the construction of a firm base and a good youth policy.
With Bruce,it's give me a team that should get promoted but don't expect me to go any further.Has he got any outsiders promoted ?Did he leave any of his teams in good shape ? Wigan were always a small club but had some financial backing.
Sunderland,Hull and ,yes,Blues were teams with unrealised potential.
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Well he definitely isn't over 6 foot is he
He is, he's just far away.
doesnt anybody stay in one place any more?
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Place on bench at best for RHM today and hopefully some minutes
Would like to see him get opportunity to play but as he didn't score 10 goals against Burton he won't be starting .
And moving forward he will have lost some match time with Abrahams coming in both are 20 years old though
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Place on bench at best for RHM today and hopefully some minutes
Would like to see him get opportunity to play but as he didn't score 10 goals against Burton he won't be starting .
And moving forward he will have lost some match time with Abrahams coming in both are 20 years old though
Yes, both 20 and one has shown he can score and be a starter and the other hasn't. Yet.
RHM should probably go out on loan once Davis and/or Hogan are match fit.
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This is it - We all go on about our youngsters but Abraham has scored 20+ goals. RHM looks lost most of the time with a few flashes. Think about what Rooney, Owen and co were doing at 17 and Villa fans cry over Green going on loan when the reality is he's managed a handful of promising performances and has a terrible injury record. We seem to put our youngsters on a pedestal without any substance to back it up.
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This is it - We all go on about our youngsters but Abraham has scored 20+ goals. RHM looks lost most of the time with a few flashes. Think about what Rooney, Owen and co were doing at 17 and Villa fans cry over Green going on loan when the reality is he's managed a handful of promising performances and has a terrible injury record. We seem to put our youngsters on a pedestal without any substance to back it up.
Young players should be integrated into the match day squad. They are not all obvious stand out talents ( who only come along once in a blue moon anyway). Integration means developing them smoothly, not throwing them in, ditching them, bringing them back again in a haphazard way.
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Owen and Rooney were pretty unique I think. I agree with you Old Man, they shouldn't be ditched at the first sign of trouble like Green has been.
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Rush is on the bench again today. With Hogan, Tammy and Davis yet to feature this season he'll do well to stay in the match-day 18. Really hope he comes off the bench to make a telling impression soon. Today would be great.
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Calderwood takes RHM on loan.
https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1083725480136753155
".@Rushcmpt has joined @CambridgeUtdFC on loan until the end of the season ✍️
Full story 👉 https://bit.ly/2Fqa5CE"
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Hopefully a good move for him, he needs game at first team level, if he can get 15ish starts and scores some goals then it'll be huge for his confidence. He's easily good enough to score goals at that level. My only concern isthat I'd have preferred him joining some chasing promotion than battling relegation.
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Hopefully a good move for him, he needs game at first team level, if he can get 15ish starts and scores some goals then it'll be huge for his confidence. He's easily good enough to score goals at that level. My only concern isthat I'd have preferred him joining some chasing promotion than battling relegation.
Agree Paul. Hopefully he can stay fit for the rest of the season and have a good run of games. I like the look of what I have seen of him so far, but not sure he is suited to playing up front on his own really.
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Hopefully a good move for him, he needs game at first team level, if he can get 15ish starts and scores some goals then it'll be huge for his confidence. He's easily good enough to score goals at that level. My only concern isthat I'd have preferred him joining some chasing promotion than battling relegation.
Agree Paul. Hopefully he can stay fit for the rest of the season and have a good run of games. I like the look of what I have seen of him so far, but not sure he is suited to playing up front on his own really.
From what I've seen of Brentford Smith has never seemed to use out and out wingers who stay wide and get crosses in but instead has players on the left and right who have the freedom to be almost anywhere in their 'area' so they can drift and find space and can playing a passing game and work chances (he had Jota there, he used Sawyers in a similar way and he seemed to push Watkins into a similar role). I think RHM and Green could do a good job in roles like that.
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The problem with Green & RHM is that they're never fit for long enough.
Young injury prone players are rarely if ever worth persevering with.
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The problem with Green & RHM is that they're never fit for long enough.
Young injury prone players are rarely if ever worth persevering with.
Not sure that's fair, it really depends on what injuries they're getting. Green has, in my opinion, been incredibly unlucky with his, a lot like Delph was when he arrived. RHM is more of a concern but I'd hope that a lot of his problems will be addressed by getting more regular game time and building his match fitness. He seems to pick up a lot of niggles when he's had a period of not playing very much.
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I shall enjoy watching RHM. To me he is yet another player we have not taken full advantage of. Faced with walking ten minutes and watching RHM or driving most of a day through roadworks to watch BB, Hogan, Hourihane, Hutton and Elmohamady for me it is a no brainer. As the years go by I become more interested in the players we don't use - RHM, Suliman, Green, Lyden, than the ones we do.
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Good man, Brian. I look forward to your reviews.
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Pleased to oblige eamonn. It has a price of course. The fans at the Abbey are small time twats and I could get into a fight every time I go there and the match experience is an exercise in bourgeois footyism. £10 for fish and chips and a paper cup of weak coffee from a caravan inside the ground tells it all. I normally shout for whoever they are playing. They, of course know I sponsor Cambridge City so there is no love lost.
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I'll pop along with you one weekend Brian.
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Never liked Cambridge from the time we played them in the FA Cup in 79.
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I very nearly had to suck it up big time with Cam U. My younger son was in the county side and on the verge of being offered a youth place with them. He got into Oxford so that was a bullet dodged. My daughter, 45 years a Holte Ender and even more gobby than I am is the Cambridge city councillor for the Abbey ward. I am bomb proof.
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Calderwood takes RHM on loan.
https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1083725480136753155
".@Rushcmpt has joined @CambridgeUtdFC on loan until the end of the season ✍️
Full story 👉 https://bit.ly/2Fqa5CE"
working with Calderwood is not a massive positive, but let's see.
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I'd imagined he might go to a div 1 team to be honest
Maybe he's not that highly rated by others. I do wonder how a striker of his physical stature is going to get on
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Never liked Cambridge from the time we played them in the FA Cup in 79.
Let it go mate
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Never liked Cambridge from the time we played them in the FA Cup in 79.
Let it go mate
One of the joys of football is harbouring long standing unjustified grudges.
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Never liked Cambridge from the time we played them in the FA Cup in 79.
Let it go mate
One of the joys of football is harbouring long standing unjustified grudges.
Ercall Colts U12s. I'll say no more.
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Yeovil Town, fucked my BTTS bet three years ago, absolute livid.
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Is it okay to still think that Luton are a massive bunch of wanks?
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Is it okay to still think that Luton are a massive bunch of wanks?
As someone from Luton i'd hate to agree, but would have to agree.
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I have secretly hated Oldham for the past twenty-nine years.
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An absolute disgrace that Bruce wouldn't even find a place for RHM on the bench last Spring when he couldn't stop scoring goals, some of them quite brilliant.
What a waste of talent!!
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Kid was constantly injured.
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How did Hep do yesterday?
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Played about 75 mins. Did pretty well considering he's not played much for us.
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Is it okay to still think that Luton are a massive bunch of wanks?
Yes without a shadow of a doubt and okay to hate to Milton Keynes Dons even though there is zero history or links between the clubs.
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Is it okay to still think that Luton are a massive bunch of wanks?
Yes without a shadow of a doubt and okay to hate to Milton Keynes Dons even though there is zero history or links between the clubs.
Other than the fact that Steve Stride was on the panel that let Wimbledon move to MK?
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Ah, but how did he vote?
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Ah, but how did he vote?
To let them move.
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Did he, Dave?
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Did he, Dave?
Sadly yes. He later said that the panel didn't get the full story and they'd been told that if they couldn't move Wimbledon would fold.
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Sorry. Should have posted earlier RHM's debut got a so so reception in the local press. Damned with faint praise.
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Rushian has the 9 shirt against Northampton today. Calderwood being Calderwood has been doing a Houllier/Liverpool thing saying how much he loves the team Cam U are playing. Just the thing to help the struggling club he manages.
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RHM subbed after 75m. Played well, set up the equalizer. Won the corner that got the second equalizer. Cam U fans love him.
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Nice to hear he's getting minutes and not getting injured.
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Cambridge Evening News. "Rushian Hepburn Murphy created havoc across The Cobblers' back line".
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I'd prefer to see him sitting on our bench to be honest but going out on loan and getting first team game time won't do him any harm either. Hope he does well and stays injury free.
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He did what he does best. He harries the opposing defence. He is brilliant at boring in relentlessly. Calderwood knows that and used him perfectly.
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A shame that Calderwood wasn't our manager instead of Bruce!
Please keep the reports coming in, Brian.
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Cambridge Evening News comments that Cambridge United's dramatic upturn in form coincides with the arrival of RHM. Now playing with pace and energy they comment. Wish I could read the same about the Villa.
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Surely he needs to be scoring some goals at that level?
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Surely he needs to be scoring some goals at that level?
Right now I'd be happy for him to play 10-15 games on the bounce to get his fitness. If he can stay fit the goals will come, he has natural talent but needs to get fully match fit to see if it's enough to make it.
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He does need to get a few. It's division 2. But let's judge that at the end of the season
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He'll start with one or two tomorrow.
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He has hit the woodwork and won a penalty which was missed. Not by him.
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Subbed after 62mins today. Tired. Played some lovely stuff my daughter tells me but he needs to toughen up. Cam U happy with a point off a much higher team.
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Cambridge Evening News comments that Cambridge United's dramatic upturn in form coincides with the arrival of RHM. Now playing with pace and energy they comment. Wish I could read the same about the Villa.
Presumably you rate the Cambridge local paper more highly than the Birmingham one...on the subs bench tonight.
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Calderwood states that he is resting important players. And I rate Health and Efficiency as a better football source than the Meaning Evil. D-H in the starting side. 1-0 down to Cheltenham at half time.
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Calderwood states that he is resting important players. And I rate Health and Efficiency as a better football source than the Meaning Evil. D-H in the starting side. 1-0 down to Cheltenham at half time.
I noticed he RHM was on the bench. They are both lucky boys to visit Whaddon Road, and I hope they both lose tonight!
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Rushian and Amoo both on at 65 mins. RHM has point blank shot well saved on 75mins.
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DH has given away a penalty.
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Calderwood states that he is resting important players. And I rate Health and Efficiency as a better football source than the Meaning Evil. D-H in the starting side. 1-0 down to Cheltenham at half time.
Resting them for what? They are not clear of relegation.
He did get on, but to no avail.
I felt compelled to check out the quality of the Cambridge News.
"Hepburn-Murphy, for the third game in a row, has been denied by a point-blank save."
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If you are going g to take the piss rougegorge I shall leave you to do your own research.
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It's a valid question. Cheltenham were below them in the league so he rested players so as they'd be fresh for a game against another team below them in the league. I'd be pretty pissed off about it if I supported them.
As for RHM he seems to be playing pretty well without getting goals or assists. Hopefully they'll start to come for him and D-H at that standard.
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It was the manner of the question not the question itself. I simply,y took the time and trouble to pass on the gist of an interview with Calderwood in the Cambridge Evening News last week when he stated that key players would be rested. You love to check things PWS it is easy enough to prove. I was simply reporting what Calderwood said not commenting on the veracity or justification of it.
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Came on on 65 mins at Grimsby. Got a card. Got a goal. Has his own song now. "He used to play in claret and blue. Murphy Murphy. But Colin said come and be a U. Murphy. Murphy." Delighted for the lad.
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https://twitter.com/ramsaymatt/status/1101885171954053120
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https://twitter.com/ramsaymatt/status/1101885171954053120
I still can't believe EA Sports in FIFA19 still hasn't addressed the keeper colour clash bug
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Came on on 65 mins at Grimsby. Got a card. Got a goal. Has his own song now. "He used to play in claret and blue. Murphy Murphy. But Colin said come and be a U. Murphy. Murphy." Delighted for the lad.
so encouraging to hear this.
We really need some of the potential to step up next season and beyond.
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I was wondering if Jake D-H will get something similar "He used to wear claret and blue. Doyley. Doyley."*
*for the under 70s a doyley is a fancy piece of lace or paper for plates at posh tea parties.
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https://twitter.com/ramsaymatt/status/1101885171954053120
Really good goal that. I've thought for a while that's his best position could be on the right of a 3 so he can make exactly those sort of runs off the fullback.
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Good lad. Can only improve his confidence. Keep it up.
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https://twitter.com/ramsaymatt/status/1101885171954053120
Really good goal that. I've thought for a while that's his best position could be on the right of a 3 so he can make exactly those sort of runs off the fullback.
Thats where he usually plays for the U23
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https://twitter.com/ramsaymatt/status/1101885171954053120
Took that very well.
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Well done to RHM. He needs to work on certain aspects of his game (he can be a bit of a head down loan ranger sometimes) but, and this is quite important for a striker, He scores goals.
He is quick but is cool in the box. Lots of pacy strikers snatch at chances, generally He doesn't.
Jake Doyle Hayes wasn't available because He has an ankle injury.
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Nice finish, hopefully he can rattle in another 10 of those in the run in.
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Off to Tramere on loan.
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We must be confident of bringing in another forward player then with him and Green going out.
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I've still got high hopes for RHM, who should have been given far more game time in the Spring of 2018, when he was in red-hot form.
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Hope he can stay fit and get game time, really think this lad can have a future in the game.
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Me too. When was the last time we had a loanee with his own song created by the fans of the club he was on loan to?
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What I saw of him in the Walsall friendly, he looks like he's benefited from last seasons loan, so hopefully a full season at a decent club that are back on the up will serve him well again.
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Staying fit is vital for RHM. He looked a much better player in the friendlies.
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He does have injury issues. Physically John McGinn he ain't.
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Tranmere? - not the school for development I'd have hoped.
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I don't think he's that good at all. Have never seen anything from him to suggest he will make it.
Would love to be proven wrong but I don't think so.
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Playing in League 1 is an upgrade on Cambridge last season but his injury record is a concern.
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Tranmere? - not the school for development I'd have hoped.
Tranmere have some momentum after back to back promotions so he should be walking into a club with a good positive atmosphere.
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Good luck Rus.
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Sent off. Oops.
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Just been sent off in last min of debut
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Violent conduct according to the Beeb.
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blimey - an inauspicious start for the boy.
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Just watched his red card. Idiotic.
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Clutching at straws -he would never have been strong enough to have done that eighteen months ago!!
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Yeah, the bloke he pushed over was twice his size.
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He'd have been out for a month with a strained shoulder.
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Our Hepburn has lift-off! A hat-trick with Tranmere away at MK Dons. Delighted for him. Now push-on, lad.
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Comments from his manager Micky
Most Mellon:
And the boss was delighted with Hepburn-Murphy’s display as TRFC moved up to 18th in the division.
Mellon said: “We haven’t quite been able to give him his opportunity. We wanted to give other people a longer go at it, but we were able to do that today, and we have a striker scoring goals for us and he has come in and he has been terrific.
“He has deserved his opportunity, he has been great since he came here, and I’m really, really pleased for him that he took it.
“He is a great lad. We have been using him in wide areas, but we had to try and do something different, and he has gone and got a hat-trick, so full credit to him.”
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Seems as ever he's had a few injuries but that is fantastic. Do we have recall option in January?
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His goals versus MK Dons are well worth a watch- available on Sky Sports app. Really looks like the striker we thought he would be.
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His goals versus MK Dons are well worth a watch- available on Sky Sports app. Really looks like the striker we thought he would be.
Against 10 men, so there was space to exploit; but, he took them very well.
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The first one was against eleven and his manager has said above that he's been playing out of position thus far which may explain his lack of impact in the first couple of months. There is a real player there, I hope he pushes on now and gives Dean something to think about.
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Recalled and immediately loaned to Derby. Be interesting to see if he can get a game there. Be good if he could, and he might learn from playing alongside Rooney.
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Rooney looked s different level tonight
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Rooney looked s different level tonight
‘Wolves’ type levels I presume?
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Not as slick as the other clips footballers have posted....
https://www.instagram.com/p/B-uZVHgpSrD/?igshid=1u3sc18zyph85
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Oh dear...noticed that Mings and Tshibola replied in the comments.