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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: not3bad on October 06, 2016, 10:57:43 AM
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The Championship side spent around £50m on nine players during the window - more than Champions League winners Real Madrid - but the new arrivals have failed to impress.
Strikers Ross McCormack and Jonathan Kodjia were snapped up for fees that could reach £27m but they have scored just three goals between them while £4.25m Italian keeper Pierluigi Gollini has struggled between the sticks.
"They've so overspent on players," Murphy said.
"Some of the money they have spent on average players is ridiculous, absolutely ludicrous."
Villa are 19th in the Championship table after a woeful start to the season and owner Tony Xia is on the hunt for a new boss after giving Roberto Di Matteo the boot.
Steve Clarke is in caretaker charge and former Liverpool, Tottenham and Fulham midfielder Murphy believes he should be given the job on a permanent basis.
Murphy told talkSPORT: “I like him a lot. He would be a very solid choice, definitely.
"Steve Clarke was very well thought of at Liverpool – I spoke to the boys there and they really liked him.
"He was very unlucky at West Brom, and actually did a good job at Reading, and I think Villa will be doing well to get a someone in better than him."
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/551297/Aston-Villa-Transfer-News-Danny-Murphy-Quotes-Gossip
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Saw that last night, the prick
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Hey! Psst PSST! Here she comes now
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To be honest, is he wrong?
Last season we kept saying 'the signings on the whole aren't bad', 'they'll come good', we changed manager and they didn't.
Gollini is too inexperienced, Elphick and Jedinak have been poor. McCormack is getting on a bit. That's half the budget there.
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Let's see what the players do with a competent manager and training.
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Wonder if he said the same when kenny D spent all those dollars
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Wonder if he said the same when kenny D spent all those dollars
Not when he signed Suarez
Maybe when he signed Carroll & Downing.
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We have signed decent players. We just decided that Ashley fcukin Westwood was still going to be the 'lynchpin' in midfield.
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Not sure he's seen us play that much, the players with the big transfer fees have been pretty much as expected.
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I seem to remember a story about Murphy getting dumped and he tried to win the lass back with a Rolex.
He's a tit.
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Surely the level of importance given to what Danny Murphy has to say is demonstrated by the fact this story is in the Daily Star?!
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It hasn't exactly been value for money, has it?
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These days pundits have an opinion on everything as if they're experts because they were players. You've got Sutton and Savage with views on whom our new manager should be and all they do is regurgitate the same old same old.
Murphy is just another one with an opinion. I'm just waiting on Hodgson being put forward by someone as our Messiah.
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Let's see what the players do with a competent manager and training.
exactly
and Murphy , maybe would have been better if Clarke would have told RDM to play Kodja in his best position up front.
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When I started reading and only saw "...said Murphy", I assumed it was of the 'Pat' variety. Having gone on further to see if was in fact the inferior 'Danny' model, I decided to file as 'ex-footballer inflated self-importance media guff'.
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I personally really like Murphy, can you really argue with what he's said?
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Givin` it the biggun for his mate by the sound of it, shades of that twat Fergie and his letter to Randy about Mcleish.
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To be fair to him I don't think he's that wide of the mark regarding our signings.
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I don't think last season's purchases were bad. I don't think this season's purchases are bad. The problem in both cases goes back to the environment into which the players were moved. Decent, stable, no bus throwing, no big pals act with shit stirrers and last season would have been less catastrophic. Better team selection, better tactics and a bit of luck and referees decisions this season would have shown new players in a better light. Murphy is going over the top to attract attention to an article in a tits and bums comic.
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"He was very unlucky at West Brom" yeah ok, being sacked after winning 9 of his last 41 league games is very unlucky.
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I have no idea how good or bad our signings are as i'm yet to see them play for us having being well coached and playing under a tactically astute manager.
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a total knob jockey who looks like a condom
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I personally really like Murphy, can you really argue with what he's said?
No, but then what has he actually said?
Team spend big and play crap - waste of money
Team spend big and play well - good investment
It's hardly insight is it and is typical of what most former players come out with. Lazy soundbites and reactive comments.
I wonder how often he's seen us play?
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I wonder if Real Madrid's spending would have exceeded £50m if they'd amassed 17 points over the course of the previous season.
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To be honest, is he wrong?
Last season we kept saying 'the signings on the whole aren't bad', 'they'll come good', we changed manager and they didn't.
Gollini is too inexperienced, Elphick and Jedinak have been poor. McCormack is getting on a bit. That's half the budget there.
Wonder if he has actually seen us play this season? To be fair, the previous manager seems to have bought players without having a real plan of where or how to play them.
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Tom I would add to that "or whether to play them at all".
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Danny Murphy is a bell, suggesting Clarke the bloke that's looked asleep or stoned on our bench all season confirms it
In real terms we've spent about 35m. Bearing in mind we've had to almost rebuild the entire starting eleven that's not a lot. No idea what relevance Real Madrid's spend has on ours either
Twat.
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To be honest, is he wrong?
Last season we kept saying 'the signings on the whole aren't bad', 'they'll come good', we changed manager and they didn't.
Gollini is too inexperienced, Elphick and Jedinak have been poor. McCormack is getting on a bit. That's half the budget there.
Wonder if he has actually seen us play this season? To be fair, the previous manager seems to have bought players without having a real plan of where or how to play them.
That could apply to some of the attacking players. Gollini, Elphick and Jedinak have been played in their correct positions though and don't look good enough for a team who wants promotion.
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Part of the Talksport revolution of ex-players who will say anything for £'s
Doubt Murphy has seen 2 Villa games this season & no doubt Steve Clarke is his mate.
If a pundit came out with "Gollini has made 2/3 big mistakes but also has potential shame they didn't buy a good experienced back up, Elphick has been very poor but the only right sided centre half cover is Richards so he has to play, De Laet looked solid right back option before bad injury, Jedinak is yet to settle but has made a couple of big errors, Tshibola looked good when fit, Kodija has done well & the complete dip in form of the team has been since McCormack was injured" - I'd take them a bit more seriously rather than 'ludicrous signings' without watching the team.
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To be honest, is he wrong?
Last season we kept saying 'the signings on the whole aren't bad', 'they'll come good', we changed manager and they didn't.
Gollini is too inexperienced, Elphick and Jedinak have been poor. McCormack is getting on a bit. That's half the budget there.
Wonder if he has actually seen us play this season? To be fair, the previous manager seems to have bought players without having a real plan of where or how to play them.
That could apply to some of the attacking players. Gollini, Elphick and Jedinak have been played in their correct positions though and don't look good enough for a team who wants promotion.
Fixed!
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Danny Murphy is a bell,
Having met him in Portugal I can confirm this to be true.
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Danny Murphy is an example of an ill educated ex footballer of the "lad dun brilliant there" genre who get work because they have played the game in the top divisions. The TV producers think they have appeal for the type who they imagine watch their programmes.
His opinion means nothing at all.
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How come the players have been bad value for money, but Clarke is good value? Has he he been doing something I haven't spotted, because I thought whilst players have been rotated we have lost nearly every game.
Danny next time you write something and you want me to read it, put it in the bin, any bin.
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Danny Murphy is an example of an ill educated ex footballer of the "lad dun brilliant there" genre who get work because they have played the game in the top divisions. The TV producers think they have appeal for the type who they imagine watch their programmes.
His opinion means nothing at all.
I don't see that in Murphy at all, to me always seems more articulate than the average footballer.
I don't agree with him over this but that doesn't mean he's wrong about everything. Then again, if results do not pick up soon he might have a point.
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Twat.
Yep
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The Championship side spent around £50m on nine players during the window - more than Champions League winners Real Madrid - but the new arrivals have failed to impress.
Strikers Ross McCormack and Jonathan Kodjia were snapped up for fees that could reach £27m but they have scored just three goals between them while £4.25m Italian keeper Pierluigi Gollini has struggled between the sticks.
"They've so overspent on players," Murphy said.
"Some of the money they have spent on average players is ridiculous, absolutely ludicrous."
Remind me, how much did Liverpool spend on Andy Caroll again? ;D
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He's a good intelligent pundit for me. I know we're supposed to call anyone who disses us a twat . .
I don't think you can argue that spending up to (what was it?) £30m with add ons for two strikers who've never payed top flight football is crazy. justifiable if they get you promoted maybe
Is James Chester an &8m centre back? That guy Liverpool bought cost about £2m didn't he?
£4m for 32 year old Jedinak with one year on his contract?
I do think his comments are overblown. But it doesn't exactly look like we've bought the strong spine we were aiming to. At the moment at least
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I've always thought Danny Murphy was one of the better pundits and comes across well on the TV.
I don't agree with him here though, we had to have a massive clear out which was plainly obvious which meant a massive turnover of playing staff. To compare it to Madrid is a poor comparison, they didn't have a season like us.
We might have bought the odd one who might not work out but I'm convinced a strong manager will select a team and formation and we'll succeed with this squad.
The first 8 matches was a very fine line to us all thinking RDM was good. We very nearly had many wins and very nearly scored a shed load.
The last 3 matches or so, we'll all went a bit tactic Tim.
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I've always thought he's one of the better and more articulate pundits, seems any time anybody says anything critical of Villa they immediately become a 'twat' and aren't qualified to comment. There's no disputing the fact we've spent a ridiculous amount of money and aren't actually any good.
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I've always thought Danny Murphy was one of the better pundits and comes across well on the TV.
I don't agree with him here though, we had to have a massive clear out which was plainly obvious which meant a massive turnover of playing staff. To compare it to Madrid is a poor comparison, they didn't have a season like us.
A strange comparison really considering Madrid have spent just short of a billion pounds on transfer fees in the last 10 years!
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"He was very unlucky at West Brom" yeah ok, being sacked after winning 9 of his last 41 league games is very unlucky.
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Fuck me with stats like that he's Pep Guardiola compared to our last 4 managers!
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Only opinion we should read is current/ex-Villa Players (apart from Cascarino) as it is no good reading the like of Murphy and Savage.
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Only opinion we should read is current/ex-Villa Players (apart from Cascarino) as it is no good reading the like of Murphy and Savage.
Eh? By that logic you are saying an illiterate moron like Paul Merson has a more valid opinion than anybody who hasn't played for Villa? I'd even rather listen to Savage than Merson.
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Pundits trying to big up their mates for the job. It's almost like an anti reference.
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The transfer kitty wasn't rubbished on transfer deadline day and I don't think most of us saw the sheer fuckwittery of RDM's team tactics panning out quite the way they did.
Bellends like Murphy, Savage and Cascarino are talking clichés. "For me...", "I'll tell you what", "solid, well organised", "he'll be disappointed with that", "at this level" yadda yadda.
Bore off.
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I've always thought he's one of the better and more articulate pundits, seems any time anybody says anything critical of Villa they immediately become a 'twat' and aren't qualified to comment. There's no disputing the fact we've spent a ridiculous amount of money and aren't actually any good.
Exactly. The manager is important in getting the best out of the players, but we aren't going to go from a team who average around a point a game to suddenly showing Top 2 form in my opinion. After spending £50m, you'd have to say that means it's been spent pretty badly if you don't even have one of the best two teams at the second level.
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I like Gollini, despite his mistakes. He reminds of De Gea, and how he started at Man Utd. I'm cinvinced he'll be a great signing. Bunn should be nowhere near our squad. Steer should be back up, unless he's still at Huddersfield? I'm too lazy to check.
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It's a game of opinions and I usually agree with Danny Murphy but my view is we haven't overspent on anyone, our squad was badly in need of recruits to overhaul the majority of last seasons first team. If we've had to pay more than others to attract top players to sign for the worst team in the league so be it, we had to. The only summer signing I am dubious of so far is Jedinak the rest are bedding in nicely and I've no doubt McCormack and Kodjia will get amongst the goals this season.
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I've always thought he's one of the better and more articulate pundits, seems any time anybody says anything critical of Villa they immediately become a 'twat' and aren't qualified to comment. There's no disputing the fact we've spent a ridiculous amount of money and aren't actually any good.
I'm pretty much with you here. He is no harder on the team than I am.
I bumped into a Bristol city fan a couple of weeks back and asked him about Kodjia. He said they could not believe the fee, reckons he is worth half of it. Says he will score 12-15 goals but isn't a patch on Abrahams.
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I think we have panick bought a team twice now and it has not worked out.
We are showing as a club all the signs of desperation that has humbled previously first tier teams like Wednesday and Leeds, a merry go round of players and managers.
Next will be changes of ownership unless someone gets this club by the scruff of the Neck and drags it back to some semlence of order.
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The transfer kitty wasn't rubbished on transfer deadline day and I don't think most of us saw the sheer fuckwittery of RDM's team tactics panning out quite the way they did.
Bellends like Murphy, Savage and Cascarino are talking clichés. "For me...", "I'll tell you what", "solid, well organised", "he'll be disappointed with that", "at this level" yadda yadda.
Bore off.
You can't put Murphy and savage on the same category
Savage can barely put together a logical chain of thought. I don't get all of the comments about Murphy. He's clearly an intelligent guy who understands the game. Bellend or not in person
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I have only read the last few posts so apologise if I am echoing other comments. I think the keeper will come good and was pleased with all the defenders when signed, shame about the right back. As for the forwards, I was a little surprised as not sure what tactics were wanted, but not bad players.
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The new signings, including Jedinak, will come good. They need a better manager to get the best out of them. McCormack and Kodjia are class players. We need to add a couple more to the squad but we are definitely good enough for the top six.
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He has a point about some of the signings, but no manager have ever spent 50m and got a 100% success rate, and it was/is very early days. At least give them a season
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He has a point about some of the signings, but no manager have ever spent 50m and got a 100% success rate, and it was/is very early days. At least give them a season
It is way too easy to be critical, but we rebuilt an entire squad. I think we bought a striker too many and are 2 midfielders too light, but we have a squad big enough and with enough attacking ability to win a lot of games on the bounce if we get the balance right.
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I think individually, each signing is just about fair enough, give or take an overpay of a couple or million or so on a few - Jedinak, Chester, McCormack, Kodjia (though Bristol City fans claiming just how much we were mugged off for Kodjia is just about the clearest case of sour grapes you'll ever see.)
Rather, the problem to me is, looking at it now, that whoever was in charge of spending the money didn't take a very holistic view of things, in that we ended up being short at least a couple of genuinely capable midfielders. Everybody on this board was in furious agreement that aside from some competent defenders, consigning Westwood and Gardner to being backups at best was a priority, yet that clearly didn't end up being the case. I mean, I presume there were attitude reasons behind loaning out Veretout and Sanchez, but doing so without then replacing them adequately still baffles me.
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Agree passitsideways. At their worst, and they did have bad games, Veretout and Sanchez are better than Westwood and Gardner.
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I've always thought he's one of the better and more articulate pundits, seems any time anybody says anything critical of Villa they immediately become a 'twat' and aren't qualified to comment. There's no disputing the fact we've spent a ridiculous amount of money and aren't actually any good.
I'm pretty much with you here. He is no harder on the team than I am.
I bumped into a Bristol city fan a couple of weeks back and asked him about Kodjia. He said they could not believe the fee, reckons he is worth half of it. Says he will score 12-15 goals but isn't a patch on Abrahams.
No No , he's still a twat lol, speak against AVFC at your peril murphy.
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...we haven't overspent on anyone, our squad was badly in need of recruits to overhaul the majority of last seasons first team...
Yep - if we had a decent team in the first place, then that would have been a fairly ridiculous amount to spend, but we didn't. Our team at the time was below what is required, so although it was a lot to spend, it was almost necessity rather than luxury.
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I do like the look of kodjia, but we did spend £12m+ on a striker to play number 9 who wasn't first choice number 9 for Bristol city (behind Abraham)
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I do like the look of kodjia, but we did spend £12m+ on a striker to play number 9 who wasn't first choice number 9 for Bristol city (behind Abraham)
He started 4 of their 5 league games this season before joining us. The only one he didn't start was the one against us, which is probably because the transfer was at an advanced stage.
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Wasn't he only not first choice at the end of the transfer window because I assume they knew he was off?
£12m sounds a lot but these are the days of crazy money, how much realistically are a club going to accept for a bloke who scored 20 goals the previous season, who don't need to sell and have him contracted for a few more years? They aren't going to take £6-8m on any planet.
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Danny Murphy is an example of an ill educated ex footballer of the "lad dun brilliant there" genre who get work because they have played the game in the top divisions. The TV producers think they have appeal for the type who they imagine watch their programmes.
His opinion means nothing at all.
I don't see that in Murphy at all, to me always seems more articulate than the average footballer.
I don't agree with him over this but that doesn't mean he's wrong about everything. Then again, if results do not pick up soon he might have a point.
Have to agree. Murphy is a bit more thoughtful than the usual ex pro pundit. Particularly when it comes to tactics. He's not the usual rent-a-gob.
Plus he's not really said much different to many on here who have also laid into the club. It's just that when someone outside the club does it, it gets people's backs up.
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I do like the look of kodjia, but we did spend £12m+ on a striker to play number 9 who wasn't first choice number 9 for Bristol city (behind Abraham)
He started 4 of their 5 league games this season before joining us. The only one he didn't start was the one against us, which is probably because the transfer was at an advanced stage.
Yeah but I think he was playing wide to accommodate Abraham?
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Kodjia doesn't bother me...with his age we can always sell him for a decent amount.
McCormack looks every inch a luxury signing at this moment in time...yes good player and good record in this division but teams he's played for don't get near the play offs and as we've seen already he's a difficult player to fit into the first 11 with regards to the right balance of the team.
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Personally I think McCormack is our most intelligent team player, but not our fittest, He would be one of my first team sheet choices
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Agreed, his movement off the ball is the best I've seen at the Villa in years (I know, damning with faint praise and all that!).
He's also very vocal on the pitch constantly telling those around him what they need to do and where they need to be. He brings far more to the team than goals.
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Murphy on talksport saying Bruce likes to spend money and he can't see villa going up this season says it's a massive ask not impossible but has to be unbelievable run. Murphy only good point is saying why didnt they take bruce instead of appointing rdm.
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Murphy on talksport saying Bruce likes to spend money and he can't see villa going up this season says it's a massive ask not impossible but has to be unbelievable run. Murphy only good point is saying why didnt they take bruce instead of appointing rdm.
Bruce was still at Hull when RDM was appointed Villa manager
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Murphy on talksport saying Bruce likes to spend money and he can't see villa going up this season says it's a massive ask not impossible but has to be unbelievable run. Murphy only good point is saying why didnt they take bruce instead of appointing rdm.
Bruce was still at Hull when RDM was appointed Villa manager
Well as ever then he makes no good points ! making it up as he goes along.
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Murphy on talksport saying Bruce likes to spend money and he can't see villa going up this season says it's a massive ask not impossible but has to be unbelievable run. Murphy only good point is saying why didnt they take bruce instead of appointing rdm.
Bruce was still at Hull when RDM was appointed Villa manager
Quite. We can't possibly compete with the likes of Hull!
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He also made it clear he was considering his future the day they were promoted.
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The new signings, including Jedinak, will come good. They need a better manager to get the best out of them. McCormack and Kodjia are class players. We need to add a couple more to the squad but we are definitely good enough for the top six.
I agree with this and would add that we still lack the MF quality and depth to be a convincing challenger.
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Personally I think McCormack is our most intelligent team player, but not our fittest, He would be one of my first team sheet choices
He's not a bad player but say we didn't sign him, still signed Kodjia to play as main striker, signed another winger and a CM...would we still have only 1 win out of 11?
He will score goals but there must be a reason he scored 20 season in season out at Fulham and yet they never came close to making the play offs...same at Leeds.
Anyway I do think we have signed some good players this summer even if they haven't shown it so far...certainly better than our ligue un experiment the previous summer.
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Hopefully it won't be long before Steve Bruce is showing how shrewd Villa's transfer business was over the summer.
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He will score goals but there must be a reason he scored 20 season in season out at Fulham and yet they never came close to making the play offs...same at Leeds.
I really don't get how you can blame a striker who scores 20 goals a season for the rest of the team's inability.
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He will score goals but there must be a reason he scored 20 season in season out at Fulham and yet they never came close to making the play offs...same at Leeds.
I really don't get how you can blame a striker who scores 20 goals a season for the rest of the team's inability.
It's a bit like Bent to me.
Scores his goals but does little else with the team regarding link up play and stretching defences so is overall to the detriment unless you're looking at things very black and white.
McCormack is better at that but of the two I'd rather go with Kodjia as he's quicker, can play the channels and has shown he too can score regularly in this division at his previous club.
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He will score goals but there must be a reason he scored 20 season in season out at Fulham and yet they never came close to making the play offs...same at Leeds.
I really don't get how you can blame a striker who scores 20 goals a season for the rest of the team's inability.
It's a bit like Bent to me.
Scores his goals but does little else with the team regarding link up play and stretching defences so is overall to the detriment unless you're looking at things very black and white.
McCormack is better at that but of the two I'd rather go with Kodjia as he's quicker, can play the channels and has shown he too can score regularly in this division at his previous club.
Confused.
McCormack has impressed a number of us with his link up play, movement and creating chances for others. That's why he keeps getting touted to play alongside Kodija.
He's certainly not coming across as Bent MkII.
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He will score goals but there must be a reason he scored 20 season in season out at Fulham and yet they never came close to making the play offs...same at Leeds.
I really don't get how you can blame a striker who scores 20 goals a season for the rest of the team's inability.
It's a bit like Bent to me.
Scores his goals but does little else with the team regarding link up play and stretching defences so is overall to the detriment unless you're looking at things very black and white.
McCormack is better at that but of the two I'd rather go with Kodjia as he's quicker, can play the channels and has shown he too can score regularly in this division at his previous club.
Confused.
McCormack has impressed a number of us with his link up play, movement and creating chances for others. That's why he keeps getting touted to play alongside Kodija.
He's certainly not coming across as Bent MkII.
He got 9 assists in each of his last 2 seasons with Fulham as well so he definitely creates chances as well as scoring.
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Coincidence doesn't prove causality. If anything, the fact McCormack has scored 20 goals in shit Fulham and Leeds teams is more impressive than doing so in a team up around the top of the division.
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It's a bit like saying Benteke banged them in for us but it's his fault we struggled each season. It's not like Leeds and Fulham were top 6 before or after Ross.
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It's a bit like saying Benteke banged them in for us but it's his fault we struggled each season. It's not like Leeds and Fulham were top 6 before or after Ross.
Ah but Benteke was a miles better all round player than Bent.
I think personally Kodjia brings more to the table than McCormack...he is quick, strong and can stretch defences. He needs to be played through the middle.
I just think McCormack was a luxury signing...as we've seen he's not the easiest to fit into a team structure...you can play him just off kodjia but then where do you play Ayew?
He's 30 next month isn't he? So if we don't go up this season or not he's another we're going to have to write off a fair bit on him. At least with the other signings we can get money back for them.
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Did someone say McCormack may be like Bent? In that they are both humans? I can't think of any other way they are similar, apart from goals too.
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I really like McCormack. He's Villa's number 10 for me. I'd have Ayew or Kodjia up front as a partner - we'd score loads.
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He will score goals but there must be a reason he scored 20 season in season out at Fulham and yet they never came close to making the play offs...same at Leeds.
I really don't get how you can blame a striker who scores 20 goals a season for the rest of the team's inability.
It's a bit like Bent to me.
Scores his goals but does little else with the team regarding link up play and stretching defences so is overall to the detriment unless you're looking at things very black and white.
McCormack is better at that but of the two I'd rather go with Kodjia as he's quicker, can play the channels and has shown he too can score regularly in this division at his previous club.
McCormack has created more chances than anyone this season for us. Holds the ball up well, passes well, and is a good finisher too. He would only benefit from playing up with Kodjia. If that means dropping Ayew, so be it. Team and all that.
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First of all I think Murphy is a very good pundit and too good to degrade himself by appearing for Talkshite.
Second, I don't think there was much wrong with the strikers we've signed its just that the last manager weren't playing to their strengths.
I do think we might have over spent and that making so many changes so quickly wasn't the smartest move. But now that we have a decent manager those players can truly be judged.
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He will score goals but there must be a reason he scored 20 season in season out at Fulham and yet they never came close to making the play offs...same at Leeds.
I really don't get how you can blame a striker who scores 20 goals a season for the rest of the team's inability.
It's a bit like Bent to me.
Scores his goals but does little else with the team regarding link up play and stretching defences so is overall to the detriment unless you're looking at things very black and white.
McCormack is better at that but of the two I'd rather go with Kodjia as he's quicker, can play the channels and has shown he too can score regularly in this division at his previous club.
McCormack has created more chances than anyone this season for us. Holds the ball up well, passes well, and is a good finisher too. He would only benefit from playing up with Kodjia. If that means dropping Ayew, so be it. Team and all that.
What's the basis for the first claim? No idea which is true, but the same claim was made on here about Ayew a few days ago.
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I think our two strikers should Rudy and Ross. Their both experienced Championship players with consistent scoring records and their constrasting styles compliment each other well.
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Don't like Gestede as a starter.
Rarely for us has he been effective from the start, much better as an impact sub.
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Don't like Gestede as a starter.
Rarely for us has he been effective from the start, much better as an impact sub.
Gestede's only scored 8 league goals for us and at least four of those have been when he's started (Liverpool last year, Rotherham this).
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Don't like Gestede as a starter.
Rarely for us has he been effective from the start, much better as an impact sub.
Think he scored a few as a starter for Blackburn to be fair
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I wondered if McCormack was bent mark 2 - a striker who has to play with another and who does little except score
But as anyone with eyes can see he clearly isn't that player
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I think we have three excellent strikers at this level, but reckon the new manager will show balls and select a team that he think will win a game with the correct tactics. Heard Warnock saying he managed Ross and thought he had to work the team around him, not sure Bruce has to do that as there are other good players.
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Don't like Gestede as a starter.
Rarely for us has he been effective from the start, much better as an impact sub.
Gestede's only scored 8 league goals for us and at least four of those have been when he's started (Liverpool last year, Rotherham this).
His best performances for us though have tended to come as a sub though. Bournemouth on his debut.....he was good up at Newcastle when he came on at half time, same v Leicester at home and even this season he turned the Forest game around while I didn't think he was that great from the start v Brentford three days later.
Rotherham are terrible, they're the only team to lose to us this season which is some going so at least one team who'll finish below us this season.
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Don't like Gestede as a starter.
Rarely for us has he been effective from the start, much better as an impact sub.
Gestede's only scored 8 league goals for us and at least four of those have been when he's started (Liverpool last year, Rotherham this).
His best performances for us though have tended to come as a sub though. Bournemouth on his debut.....he was good up at Newcastle when he came on at half time, same v Leicester at home and even this season he turned the Forest game around while I didn't think he was that great from the start v Brentford three days later.
Rotherham are terrible, they're the only team to lose to us this season which is some going so at least one team who'll finish below us this season.
How can you say the two games in his entire time with us where he's scored more than 1 goal are not some of his best performances? He could've had more against Rotherham too - yes, they're crap but I didn't see any of our other players giving them as much trouble.
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Don't like Gestede as a starter.
Rarely for us has he been effective from the start, much better as an impact sub.
Gestede's only scored 8 league goals for us and at least four of those have been when he's started (Liverpool last year, Rotherham this).
His best performances for us though have tended to come as a sub though. Bournemouth on his debut.....he was good up at Newcastle when he came on at half time, same v Leicester at home and even this season he turned the Forest game around while I didn't think he was that great from the start v Brentford three days later.
Rotherham are terrible, they're the only team to lose to us this season which is some going so at least one team who'll finish below us this season.
How can you say the two games in his entire time with us where he's scored more than 1 goal are not some of his best performances? He could've had more against Rotherham too - yes, they're crap but I didn't see any of our other players giving them as much trouble.
I just think he offers more as an impact sub....as I've said the Forest game is the best example of that. He really did shake things up at 1-0 down.
So if you're saying he starts and McCormack's great then are we going back to playing four forwards in with Kodjia and Ayew aswell?
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I'm not advocating him starting every game, I was just disputing the assertion that he's rarely been effective when he's started. The stats prove otherwise.
We have enough strikers to rotate and pick options to punish the weaknesses our scouts should be identifying in the opposition defences.
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I think Millls has got it right having seen them close up.
I would also agree that Gestede is the only real centre forward in the squad, all the other forwards seem better playing off or behind.
So we have 4 players for 1 position.
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"They've so overspent on players," Murphy said.
"Some of the money they have spent on average players is ridiculous, absolutely ludicrous."
Sad to say but these are looking more and more accurate with each game.
It takes a special kind of genius to scout out and pay top £ for worse players than Lescott, Clark, Okore, Gill, Vertoute, Sanchez and arguably Guzan.
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Did we buy Clark? And Veretout and Sanchez are playing well at their new clubs. Otherwise agree Oldhill and would add the names of Jedinak, Elphick and McCormack (due to age and woeful condition, not ability)
As for Gestede I think he does better in the last half hour because he is so slow and defences are tiring.
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I was trying to say that Lescott, Clark, Sanchez et al were woeful last year.
We then had a significant net spend on the likes of Jedinak, Elphick and Chester who are even worse.
That really does take some doing.
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Don't like Gestede as a starter.
Rarely for us has he been effective from the start, much better as an impact sub.
Gestede's only scored 8 league goals for us and at least four of those have been when he's started (Liverpool last year, Rotherham this).
His best performances for us though have tended to come as a sub though. Bournemouth on his debut.....he was good up at Newcastle when he came on at half time, same v Leicester at home and even this season he turned the Forest game around while I didn't think he was that great from the start v Brentford three days later.
Rotherham are terrible, they're the only team to lose to us this season which is some going so at least one team who'll finish below us this season.
That was the in the PL though. I think at Championship level he's a consistent threat. I understand the impact sub argument, but its important that if we use him like that than he comes on when we are still in the game which wasn't the case at Preston.
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He will score goals but there must be a reason he scored 20 season in season out at Fulham and yet they never came close to making the play offs...same at Leeds.
I really don't get how you can blame a striker who scores 20 goals a season for the rest of the team's inability.
It's a bit like Bent to me.
Scores his goals but does little else with the team regarding link up play and stretching defences so is overall to the detriment unless you're looking at things very black and white.
McCormack is better at that but of the two I'd rather go with Kodjia as he's quicker, can play the channels and has shown he too can score regularly in this division at his previous club.
I get that, but I also think those natural sort of goalscorers are a rare breed in modern football. And I think in a tough league like this than someone like McCormack being in the right place at the right time could be the difference between a 0-0 and a 1-0 win. For me he has played out of position too often and hasn't been given his chance yet.
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I think our two strikers should Rudy and Ross. Their both experienced Championship players with consistent scoring records and their constrasting styles compliment each other well.
They would be the slowest forward pairing in the division
Too many here trying to find excuses for McCormack, he has ability for sure but his conditioning is diabolical. Might be the reason he has been at the likes of Leeds and Fulham, bloated fish in a small pond. He won't get away with that at perennial crisis club AVFC.
I don't think we signed bad players really but Murphy was right we totally overpaid for them. But there are bigger macro issues that obviously are still unaddressed at Villa Park.
Look at Newcastle, Clark, Shelvey and Gayle were all diabolical last year but flying now under Benitez.
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I don't think it's a case of the players are not collectively worth what we paid for them (although we probably paid a little over the top for some), more that for £50m you would hope to have a half decent team. It boils down to three things. 1. It was bad to begin with and we needed a lot of players. 2. We clearly did not address midfield properly and it puts a strain on both defence and attack. 3. We let a lot of players go (not all by choice).
Looking at the signings individually, I would say McCormack, Kodjia and Chester are all good signings that we paid top whack for.
Tsibola and Golini we didn't pay a massive amount for and both have good potential. However we needed experience in those two positions and instead took a punt.
Adomah and DeLaet jury is out on. I think they were odd signings as they are both positions we really didn't need anyone in. A winger where we don't have a squad that suits wingers, and a fullback that can't defend to play behind him. You can't really play both.
Jedinak and Elphick sadly look like poor signings. I was chuffed with both of these as I thought they looked good at Championship level and would add character and bottle. They have been the biggest let down so far, but hopefully will turn it around and become heroes.
So a mixed bag of signings, but probably worth near enough the outlay as individuals. Problem is we can't fashion a team out of them.
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That looks a decent summary although I'm far from convinced in Chester.
The problem is that the signings that look dodgy are in areas where we were desperate to improve.
That's why after spending £50m we still haven't got a half decent team.
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That looks a decent summary although I'm far from convinced in Chester.
The problem is that the signings that look dodgy are in areas where we were desperate to improve.
That's why after spending £50m we still haven't got a half decent team.
Apart from last Saturday Chester has played consistently well in a poor defence.
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"They've so overspent on players," Murphy said.
"Some of the money they have spent on average players is ridiculous, absolutely ludicrous."
Sad to say but these are looking more and more accurate with each game ...
After the truly awful game against a workmanlike wanderers, I'd wholeheartedly agree that Murphy is looking more and more right in his assertion. It would appear - after having watched several games, home and away - that RdM and Clarke splurged on front runners and failed to bring in sufficient effective midfielders; an error of judgement that will cost us in points until January.
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Must be hard for Chester playing along side someone like Elphick who simply is inept. Baker and Chester have to be our centre partnership in the short to medium term.
The money we spent on what have become under achievers is unbelievable. Looks like a couple of loan deals and snips in January to at least give us some credibility this season and let Bruce have next season to see if he can do anything. The big plus so far this season appears to be the attitude of Bacuna who could easily have said stuff you.
Any chance of us nicking Dawson from Hull ?
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Every time I see posts in this thread I get more frustrated. We sign players who played well, they struggle, we sell them and then they play well again (see gana, veretout and sanchez) but our fans all cry out for the players not being good enough. I just don't believe that any more. No club could sign this number of players, who the fans approve of, only for them to turn out to be shit. Our problems won't be solved by spending more money on players, we do need 2-3 additions in positions where we look light (CM and CB, possibly another keeper), but we can't treat the window as if it offers some sort of panacea that solves everything it won't and will be more money pissed up the wall if the deeper problems aren't addressed.
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I said similar a few months ago, and it still seems applicable.
Since Houllier left up to the end of last season, how many players have improved at the Villa besides Delph and Benteke? We must be talking about 50 odd players in 5 years and I can think of 2 that improved. No matter how bad you think our transfer policy was in that time, it shows there has been something fundamentally wrong with the coaching for years regardless of who was manager.
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And to someone who mentioned before about swapping Bayern, Barcelona or RM into our environs, I'd like to add that were they managed by Guardiola inhabited by the ghosts of Paisley, Shankley, Busby, Saunders et al, we'd still be shite. I don't know any more how it can be stopped.
Human sacrifice is all I can think of.
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And to someone who mentioned before about swapping Bayern, Barcelona or RM into our environs, I'd like to add that were they managed by Guardiola inhabited by the ghosts of Paisley, Shankley, Busby, Saunders et al, we'd still be shite. I don't know any more how it can be stopped.
Human sacrifice is all I can think of.
Maybe Robbie Savage might have a use after all.
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And to someone who mentioned before about swapping Bayern, Barcelona or RM into our environs, I'd like to add that were they managed by Guardiola inhabited by the ghosts of Paisley, Shankley, Busby, Saunders et al, we'd still be shite. I don't know any more how it can be stopped.
Human sacrifice is all I can think of.
Maybe Robbie Savage might have a use after all.
I doubt offering him to the gods would win us their favour.
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And to someone who mentioned before about swapping Bayern, Barcelona or RM into our environs, I'd like to add that were they managed by Guardiola inhabited by the ghosts of Paisley, Shankley, Busby, Saunders et al, we'd still be shite. I don't know any more how it can be stopped.
Human sacrifice is all I can think of.
Maybe Robbie Savage might have a use after all.
I doubt offering him to the gods would win us their favour.
Is he even human?
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That looks a decent summary although I'm far from convinced in Chester.
The problem is that the signings that look dodgy are in areas where we were desperate to improve.
That's why after spending £50m we still haven't got a half decent team.
Apart from last Saturday Chester has played consistently well in a poor defence.
After our double header of going to the Hawthorns and then VP on Saturday, I think I have the backing of a certain Tiny Penis in my assessment. Based on the Baggies lining up with their renowned 9-0-1 formation you can only deduce that Chester would have been their 10th choice defender at best.