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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Sexual Ealing on September 14, 2016, 09:52:04 PM
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I'm not suggesting that he should, but if Tone sends RDM to the bottom of the drink, who would be able to come in and hit the ground running?
No idea, personally.
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Shit, that title looks scarily like T Pulis! Not intentional, I promise.
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Bruce.
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Bruce
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Bruce.
Unless that's the punchline to some shit Australian joke, the second word is off, you can chose the first yourself ;)
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Bruce is a good shout get him now before its too late
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Bruce has a grim ring of inevitability.
And to save a wag doing an edited quote some time soon:
Bruce has a grim ring.
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I don't know why, but Dr T doesn't strike me as the patient sort. He hasn't invested all that momey not to at least have a reasonable chance of going up. RDM seems very tactically naive. Newcastle are going to stroll to the title, we can't even get to mid table.
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Stick with Di Matteo please. Changing manager every ten minutes doesn't seem to have helped Leeds.
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Stick with Di Matteo please. Changing manager every ten minutes doesn't seem to have helped Leeds.
I agree, for now.
Gawd knows how Tony feels though.
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Bruce has a grim ring of inevitability.
And to save a wag doing an edited quote some time soon:
Bruce has a grim ring.
We let WAGs post on here as well?
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Nigel Pearson. Guaranteed, nailed-on route to promotion apparently.
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Jésus wept!
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If we're still bottom half in January get rid.
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Stick with Di Matteo please. Changing manager every ten minutes doesn't seem to have helped Leeds.
I agree no change yet. Although my patience is starting to get thinner. We are consistently making the same mistakes. We sit back on a lead and then concede. Where the fuck are all these 'leaders' we signed?
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Can't believe a thread has already been started.
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I don't think there will be a set in stone condition for Xia to get rid. Even if we stabilise and we're clinging to the play-off chasers by hook or by crook, the stuff he comes out with makes me think he'll just lose patience out of the blue and it'll be some innocuous date, like a Tuesday afternoon in December.
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Too many managers given too much time.
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steve clarke probably
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No change yet....give it 15 games...The only positive I can find is that we have been unlucky, shit, tactically inept, fragile, shot in confidence...the list is endless and somehow we are "only" 8 points off the Barcodes...who have just banged out 5 or 6 wins on the spin.
But he needs to find the set up fast now...4231 isn't working, regardless of missed chances. Until we start punishing teams I would have thought he needs to go at least 4321.
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Can't believe a thread has already been started.
I can - ultimately, the results are nowhere near good enough, which is bound to encourage speculation.
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Sorry I'm not happy, but sacking the manager after 8 games is fucking mental.
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Being 8 points off Newcastle sounds too much like being 8 points from safety last year. Every week we seemed to think we needed one win to get a run going, but it didn't happen. Personally I think this season is already a write off - I'm a pessimist by nature but new owner/new manager/new player bounce didn't happen and I can't see where that necessary shot of confidence is going to come from now.
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Sorry I'm not happy, but sacking the manager after 8 games is fucking mental.
I can't believe Dr T is going to want to watch his investment take a battering straight away. Already, it must be considered very unlikely that we'll go up. I don't want RDM to go, but I think the new owner looks like he won't put up with failure.
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For the money that's been spent on the team, to see a performance as lacking in courage and ambition as that is really fucking galling, I have to say.
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Think this is turning point for RDM now. Shame but given our next few fixtures, can't see us getting anything. Will be bottom 3 by then and patience will run firmly out
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I'd give him till reading away mid October- 6 more games and requirement of reaching 20 points. Otherwise it's time for Bruce, with a fortnight before our trip to the sty.
Look at the teams above us and consider how much we've spent!
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Can't believe a thread has already been started.
I can - ultimately, the results are nowhere near good enough, which is bound to encourage speculation.
It's embarrassing though. The way people talk on here we would end with seven managers a season. We acquired a new team last season and ended up with 3 managers in thinking it must be their fault why we're crap. We purchase a brand new team this season and if we start doing the same 1 month into a season then we'll end up going nowhere again.
I agree with Robbie not being the most tactically astute manager around but lets just see what he does moulding this lot for a little longer than 7 poxy games.
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Sorry I'm not happy, but sacking the manager after 8 games is fucking mental.
I can't believe Dr T is going to want to watch his investment take a battering straight away. Already, it must be considered very unlikely that we'll go up. I don't want RDM to go, but I think the new owner looks like he won't put up with failure.
I'm sure he won't, but sacking a manager after 8 games in which we've overhauled an entire squad is not going to help anything. RDM needs to show he's learning from these sort of mistakes, but it is far too early to talk about a change. If we get into that sort of cycle we'll never go anywhere.
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I think that if Di Matteo had been a universally popular appointment, more fans would be patient with him. But - and I stand to be corrected - a lot of people were ambivalent with Xia's choice because there were more obvious options this summer. That doesn't give him much time to get it right.
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I said in the summer he was shit and was told I was wrong. He's useless is RDM, get Bruce in right now
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There's something wrong beyond the team and RDM over the last 6 years we have been terminally shit at home regardless of what team or manager we have. This is a footballing ANOMALY there isn't a team in reputable league football in the whole of fucking Europe who have such a bad home record.
Ever since the 2-2 at Stoke our fans shit themselves when we are ahead VP is so nervous all the time, this conveys itself onto the players.
I'm not blaming the fans but this is the reason and I don't have a fucking answer to it either, apart from playing behind closed doors.
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This thread is inevitable as is Dr X considering firing RDM. He's not going to want his immense investment (at this level) pissed away. And that's exactly what we are doing week after week. The remit is promotion first time and he's only going to give it a little longer before pulling the trigger.
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How about the players show a bit of organisation and bravery when we're leading games instead of expecting the fans to pat their backs and tell them not to worry?
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Well its not going to drift on and on with excuse after excuse and jam tomorrow constantly, were already miles off the pace haven't put together a proper 90 mins and hve only beats Rotherham, he wont let the shit continue week after week or buy the bull excuses, he'll have him replaced quickly and so he should this start Is pathetic, 2 more games and if they still look as solid as a teabag he'll be off. Utter joke tonight 4-2-4 fucking what planet is he on?
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Sack him.
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I think that if Di Matteo had been a universally popular appointment, more fans would be patient with him. But - and I stand to be corrected - a lot of people were ambivalent with Xia's choice because there were more obvious options this summer.
Like?
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Well its not going to drift on and on with excuse after excuse and jam tomorrow constantly, were already miles off the pace haven't put together a proper 90 mins and hve only beats Rotherham, he wont let the shit continue week after week or buy the bull excuses, he'll have him replaced quickly and so he should this start Is pathetic, 2 more games and if they still look as solid as a teabag he'll be off. Utter joke tonight 4-2-4 fucking what planet is he on?
Going into games with a 4-2-4 formation just winds the opposition up. It might work if you're playing Sunderland, who have fantasies about staying up, but when you're playing Huddersfield and Brentford, who have spent years battling and improving, it just shows that you expect to steamroller them and you can bet they'll beg to differ.
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I think that if Di Matteo had been a universally popular appointment, more fans would be patient with him. But - and I stand to be corrected - a lot of people were ambivalent with Xia's choice because there were more obvious options this summer.
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There were other names mooted, such as Pearson and Moyes. I'm not saying I'd have preferred them necessarily, but I was certainly surprised when Di Matteo's name popped up.
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I think that if Di Matteo had been a universally popular appointment, more fans would be patient with him. But - and I stand to be corrected - a lot of people were ambivalent with Xia's choice because there were more obvious options this summer.
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There were other names mooted, such as Pearson and Moyes. I'm not saying I'd have preferred them necessarily, but I was certainly surprised when Di Matteo's name popped up.
Considering what a shit job both of those examples are doing, it's not really much of an argument that the wrong person was chosen in the summer.
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Just shut the fucking doors. Doesn't matter who the manager is, it's the same shit. Place is cursed.
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I was happy enough with him and I wouldn't be binning him yet but he's been pretty shit so far. This 4-2-4 bollocks isn't really working and we look wank at the back. If Brentford had been any cop in the final third tonight we'd have been well beaten.
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Not quite time yet for "Taxi for RDM" but get ready to download the Uber App!
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Bruce all day long.
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I think that if Di Matteo had been a universally popular appointment, more fans would be patient with him. But - and I stand to be corrected - a lot of people were ambivalent with Xia's choice because there were more obvious options this summer.
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There were other names mooted, such as Pearson and Moyes. I'm not saying I'd have preferred them necessarily, but I was certainly surprised when Di Matteo's name popped up.
Considering what a shit job both of those examples are doing, it's not really much of an argument that the wrong person was chosen in the summer.
Indeed. The only thing that would make this current run worse, would be erm, having a worse run, and having Pearson as boss. Damn, that's two things.
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We can look forward to Mick Mccarthy out foxing the thick fucking balloon.
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Was thinking this on the walk back to the car the records of Sherwood, Lambert and Garde when they were dismissed.
Sherwood was sacked last season with 1 win in 10.
Garde left with 1 win in 9.
I think Lambert finished up with 1 win in 11.
RDM has 1 win in 7 and counting...
Let's remember aswell all those were at premier league level where we faced world class players every third game so losses were expected.
RDM has no such excuse particularly as he's spent a fortune.
Make no mistake this is not the drifting of the Lerner era either, Dr Tony will not be wasting time as he isn't going to be spending 50m year in year out to get promoted.
Way it's going I'd be surprised if RDM makes it to xmas.
Edit: That title thread reads like we're appointing Pulis!
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He shouldn't make it to tomorrow morning.
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I think that if Di Matteo had been a universally popular appointment, more fans would be patient with him. But - and I stand to be corrected - a lot of people were ambivalent with Xia's choice because there were more obvious options this summer.
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There were other names mooted, such as Pearson and Moyes. I'm not saying I'd have preferred them necessarily, but I was certainly surprised when Di Matteo's name popped up.
Considering what a shit job both of those examples are doing, it's not really much of an argument that the wrong person was chosen in the summer.
Indeed. The only thing that would make this current run worse, would be erm, having a worse run, and having Pearson as boss. Damn, that's two things.
& Moyes didn't want it either.
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Will not pulling the trigger and getting Bruce early be the same error as not getting Allardyce last season?
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I'd give him the season personally, unless of course we do start to struggle. Sacking a manager 7 games in after giving him all that money would be embarrassing.
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I'd rather be embarrassed than watch the clueless shite he's serving up.
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Nigel Pearson. Guaranteed, nailed-on route to promotion apparently.
At least his teams fight every bloody minute of the game. Shit pressers though. He's mad!
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I'd give him the season personally, unless of course we do start to struggle. Sacking a manager 7 games in after giving him all that money would be embarrassing.
I would go with that.
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We can look forward to Mick Mccarthy out foxing the thick fucking balloon.
Mick is a damn good manager.
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He seems totally and utterly without a clue tactically. Our inability to close games down is now past piss taking levels. I'm not saying sack him yet, but when the boos start, the clock starts ticking.
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I think that if Di Matteo had been a universally popular appointment, more fans would be patient with him. But - and I stand to be corrected - a lot of people were ambivalent with Xia's choice because there were more obvious options this summer.
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There were other names mooted, such as Pearson and Moyes. I'm not saying I'd have preferred them necessarily, but I was certainly surprised when Di Matteo's name popped up.
Considering what a shit job both of those examples are doing, it's not really much of an argument that the wrong person was chosen in the summer.
Indeed. The only thing that would make this current run worse, would be erm, having a worse run, and having Pearson as boss. Damn, that's two things.
& Moyes didn't want it either.
Again, I didn't say I thought he was the wrong choice, just that there was one. I didn't think Di Matteo was the first name on everybody's lips.
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I'd give him the season personally, unless of course we do start to struggle. Sacking a manager 7 games in after giving him all that money would be embarrassing.
No quite as embarrassing as flirting with relegation to League 1.
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Derby are utter shite.
We are struggling big time. We can't win at home against the might of Huddersfield, Forest and Brentford. The same problem in all three games. Jesus christ. You think it couldn't get any shitter.
Sack the twat.
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Stick with Di Matteo please. Changing manager every ten minutes doesn't seem to have helped Leeds.
This!
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For christs sake give the bloke a chance, to say he is under pressure 7 games in is ridiculous. We are unbeaten at home. We signed 9 players in the window it will take time to get this right and restore confidence - if we dont win saturday sack him then.
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Will not pulling the trigger and getting Bruce early be the same error as not getting Allardyce last season?
Table is still young....even though we're shite and can't win we're still only what 5 points off a play off place.
Rather do it now than at xmas where we could be 15-20 points off top 2.
I really can't see how we can just write off a season when we've spent so much.
If it was still last years team playing then yes.
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A novel.idea would be for the very well paid CEO and technical director to choose a good one.
Why would you stick with this fucking moron just because Leeds are shite?
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There's something wrong beyond the team and RDM over the last 6 years we have been terminally shit at home regardless of what team or manager we have. This is a footballing ANOMALY there isn't a team in reputable league football in the whole of fucking Europe who have such a bad home record.
Ever since the 2-2 at Stoke our fans shit themselves when we are ahead VP is so nervous all the time, this conveys itself onto the players.
I'm not blaming the fans but this is the reason and I don't have a fucking answer to it either, apart from playing behind closed doors.
Attempting to defend for 55 minutes as soon as we go 1 up is a sure fire way to get the crowd restless, and then conceding the inevitable post-80th minute isn't going to help proceedings
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For christs sake give the bloke a chance, to say he is under pressure 7 games in is ridiculous. We are unbeaten at home. We signed 9 players in the window it will take time to get this right and restore confidence - if we dont win saturday sack him then.
I admire your sentiments but he's playing square pegs in round holes. It's as if he's trying to shoe horn his signings into something that resembles a team and its not working. If that's not bad enough, he can't see it isn't working with his own eyes.
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Make no mistake...this result is very much on RDM's head.
I think he was unnerved a bit by that 5 minute spell Brentford had just before half time.
So I guess he told the players at half time to grind out a 1-0 win.
The players interpreted that as making sure they didn't cross the halfway line.
When you play like that you have to win the game. And we haven't yet again.
This isn't the premier league and world class players...we should be imposing ourselves on the league a lot more.
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For christs sake give the bloke a chance, to say he is under pressure 7 games in is ridiculous. We are unbeaten at home. We signed 9 players in the window it will take time to get this right and restore confidence - if we dont win saturday sack him then.
Unbeaten against Huddersfield, Rotherham, Forest and fucking Brentford. It's a whose who of shite.
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I agree entirely that we should have more points than we have. I hardly think it's sacking offence in mid september though.
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It's the same problem game after game. He's not getting any better, he's beyond clueless. Dean fucking Smith out thought him.
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Up until now I felt we had been a bit unlucky, we had been creating a lot of chances. Tonight was a shocker though and to once again concede late on is feeble. Especially considering how much we've spent. Ugh.
I don't mean to get on Matteo's back but I had expected way better than how we have fared so far. I would have expected this sort of form from last season's first team, not his Championship Fantasy Football squad.
We need to shape up, pick a better formation, slap a few players and get focussed. The league is drifting away from us.
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Just get rid. He won't improve because he's an appalling bad football manager. Tactically inept get Bruce in before those Sandwell knicker draggers lose Pulis
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This fella is getting paid £3 million a year. If he can't get this group of players to beat run of the mill teams like Brentford at home, he deserves all the shit he gets.
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It's the same problem game after game. He's not getting any better, he's beyond clueless. Dean fucking Smith out thought him.
To be fair to Dean fucking Smith, he is a Villa fan. it's to be expected.
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What concerns me most, I think, is how quickly the negative mentality seeps into the players at Villa. If Kodjia lets his head drop that would be disastrous. My great hope is that Jedinak turns into the totem to make us tougher, but that was a forgettable game he had tonight.
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I'd give him the season personally, unless of course we do start to struggle. Sacking a manager 7 games in after giving him all that money would be embarrassing.
Surely 1 win in 8 is struggling?
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Chose to spend over 30mil on Attackers but 8 mil on midfielders one who is seemingly constantly injured leaving us with a CM choice of Westwood ,Gardner ,Jedinek .
So to get round the lack of quality in CM he plays 4 attackers ..Jesus wept ..it's shocking
Honestly if you were the manager and was given 50mil to spend can you envisage a situation where Westwood is still an option in a 2 man midfield !!!
Before he was appointed I said Rowlett and I'm standing by that , if going experience route then Bruce is obvious candidate
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For christs sake give the bloke a chance, to say he is under pressure 7 games in is ridiculous. We are unbeaten at home. We signed 9 players in the window it will take time to get this right and restore confidence - if we dont win saturday sack him then.
I do hope your tongue is stuck firmly in your cheek
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I'd give him the season personally, unless of course we do start to struggle. Sacking a manager 7 games in after giving him all that money would be embarrassing.
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Surely 1 win in 8 is struggling?
Of course it is
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Even more so when you consider the opposition, including Luton !!!!
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I'd give him the season personally, unless of course we do start to struggle. Sacking a manager 7 games in after giving him all that money would be embarrassing.
Surely 1 win in 8 is struggling?
No, that's a good run for us.
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Sack him for me.so long and thanks for all the players who should walk a top five place in this league at least but now lets get a manager in who actually has the tactical nous to get them playing like a top five team.
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Sack him for me.so long and thanks for all the players who should walk a top five place in this league at least but now lets get a manager in who actually has the tactical nous to get them playing like a top five team.
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Apart from Bristol City second half, I actually think we have been unlucky this season.
Wednesday - Ross should have put us one up - different game
Rotherham - we beat a poor team to be honest
Huddersfield - should have had the three points sown up.
Derby - a point was just about right
Bristol City - first 50 mins we were good - after that we went to pieces
Nottingham Forest - We couldn't have done much more
Tonight - we should have gone out second half in a much more positive manner but should still have taken the 3 points
People are not mentioning a crowd favourite Tommy Elphick he is very average.
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Ian Holloway or Iain Dowie.
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Newcastle game could easily be tipping point for Dr Tony.
Can see Ipswich game being another draw...and then losing to Newcastle and them being miles clear of us might be too much.
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And if that's the case, 8 pts from 9 games then honestly he'd deserve the sack because when you spend that much in this division there's no room for stability talk and transition excuses you should be up there and dismantling some teams.
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We're the equivalent of Man City at this level. The leagues still shaking itself out at this stage but in a couple of games if it's settled down with us in the bottom five then I think that will be that for RDM.
When Kodjia scored earlier I was thinking what a nice change it was to be excited about our new signings and feeling quite positive about the season ahead, now it's back to the cycle of thinking about sacking the manager. I am so tired of it all.
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Why not be ruthless?
For last 5 years we've had Lerner drifting between decisions...shall we sack Lambert shall we not...maybe next season will be better....and it isn't. Things just got worse and worse until the inevitable.
I'm not saying be like Leeds and sack a manager every 6 games but the table is still young...there's still over 100 points to play for.
At least getting in a new manager would guarantee we'd win a game or two at least.
To only have 1 win in 7 is very poor. If we'd kept last seasons squad and not signed anyone they could've probably managed a win this season.
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Yeah, no more rewarding mediocrity.
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Sat Aug 15 Division 2 Ipswich Town Away Drew 1-1
Sat Aug 22 Division 2 Birmingham City Home Lost 0-2
Sat Aug 29 Division 2 Hull City Away Lost 1-2
Mon Aug 31 Division 2 Manchester City Home Drew 1-1
Sat Sep 5 Division 2 Leicester City Away Won 2-0
Tue Sep 8 Division 2 Middlesbrough Home Lost 0-1
Sat Sep 12 Division 2 Barnsley Home Drew 0-0
That's how we did back in '87 in our first seven games under SGT.
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He'd not just spent an absolute fortune.
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He'd not just spent an absolute fortune.
Nor had he replaced the entire team, apart from Westwood, who presumably he thinks is great shakes.
Let's be honest, the signs are far from auspicious.
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I think Tony will pot him in the week. Good riddance.
Give Steve Round a job to find his replacement.
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He'd not just spent an absolute fortune.
It's all relative. I would say the mess RDM has had to clear up is far, far worse and more ingrained than that which SGT had to deal with.
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7 games in and time to look at the table...
17th in the fucking 2nd Division. 1 win, 2 points above relegation, 5 from the play offs.
How can anybody defend the manager? Appalling.
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He'd not just spent an absolute fortune.
It's all relative. I would say the mess RDM has had to clear up is far, far worse and more ingrained than that which SGT had to deal with.
They both took over the worse Villa side in history and Taylor was not a clueless buffoon, which helped.
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I said in the summer he was shit and was told I was wrong. He's useless is RDM, get Bruce in right now
You also said we should appoint Pearson, so I'll take your opinion with a pinch of salt.
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7 games in and time to look at the table...
17th in the fucking 2nd Division. 1 win, 2 points above relegation, 5 from the play offs.
How can anybody defend the manager? Appalling.
It's the middle of September.
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I think Tony will pot him in the week. Good riddance.
Give Steve Round a job to find his replacement.
You could be right Ads, but I I am mindful of an interview with RDM early on in his tenure when he said it would take two years to get us back up.
I do not have a problem with that unless it it results with performances like tonight's.
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And?
We've played 8 games, been humped twice, against a 4th division side, lost late goals on 4 occasions, average a point a game and have played nobody of any quality yet. Our one win came against the league whipping boys. Our failures are repeated, aided and abetted by a manager who is so tactically naive he makes Sherwood look a genius.
So what's September got to do with it?
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I have a massive problem with spending 46 games in the league never mind two years of this shite. The money spent suggests he's had this season, although he's clearly blown it.
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And?
We've played 8 games, been humped twice, against a 4th division side, lost late goals on 4 occasions, average a point a game and have played nobody of any quality yet. Our one win came against the league whipping boys. Our failures are repeated, aided and abetted by a manager who is so tactically naive he makes Sherwood look a genius.
So what's September got to do with it?
Sweet Jesus.!
September is ineffably ghastly.
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I am beginning to think that RDM is your man if the basics are in place and a little tinkering is required. Unfortunately, we lack the basics.
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Clough or Rowett.On tonights evidence,Dean Smith might be worth a shot.
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My problem with him is he appears tactically useless. Most times I can only follow the game on here by what posters are saying. the game before we went 2-1 in front and everyone on here was saying get another midfielder on, he didn't we drew, same again we were one nil up and defending as though we were playing Arsenal, this is the Championship we should not be struggling against these clubs with the money that's been spent.
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who would have thought it? A champion's league winner being out thought by manager's most of us had never heard of a few weeks ago ! A total charlatan of Lambertesque proportions. We have a few talented players but not a competitive team. Time for someone with real experience of out foxing teams in this league. Send for Bruce!
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If Bruce is the answer the questions wrong.
If RDM does get the boot, I'd bring in Pulis. He'd piss this division with our squad.
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Interesting to note that Steve Clarke never leaves his seat during games. With his coaching experience surely he can see the problems? I wonder how much of his input RDM is listening to?
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Please don't mention Pulis in the same breath as Aston Villa
If Pulis became our Manager, I would return my season ticket!
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7 games in and time to look at the table...
17th in the fucking 2nd Division. 1 win, 2 points above relegation, 5 from the play offs.
How can anybody defend the manager? Appalling.
I don't defend him, but at the same time I think it's ridiculous to be talking about sacking him at this stage. I'm not happy with results, but it's 7 or 8 games. It's too soon to sack him.
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7 games in and time to look at the table...
17th in the fucking 2nd Division. 1 win, 2 points above relegation, 5 from the play offs.
How can anybody defend the manager? Appalling.
I don't defend him, but at the same time I think it's ridiculous to be talking about sacking him at this stage. I'm not happy with results, but it's 7 or 8 games. It's too soon to sack him.
Agree. Talking about sacking him is ridiculous. If Blues or Albion fans were doing the same to a new manager 7 games in, we'd be ripping the piss out of them for their fickleness. People need to calm down.
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7 games in and time to look at the table...
17th in the fucking 2nd Division. 1 win, 2 points above relegation, 5 from the play offs.
How can anybody defend the manager? Appalling.
I don't defend him, but at the same time I think it's ridiculous to be talking about sacking him at this stage. I'm not happy with results, but it's 7 or 8 games. It's too soon to sack him.
Agree. Talking about sacking him is ridiculous. If Blues or Albion fans were doing the same to a new manager 7 games in, we'd be ripping the piss out of them for their fickleness. People need to calm down.
Bit of a difference between the expectations of Blues chairman to Dr T. Blues haven't spent millions on new players. Dr T is seeing what we are seeing and I can't see him lasting much longer.
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7 games in and time to look at the table...
17th in the fucking 2nd Division. 1 win, 2 points above relegation, 5 from the play offs.
How can anybody defend the manager? Appalling.
I don't defend him, but at the same time I think it's ridiculous to be talking about sacking him at this stage. I'm not happy with results, but it's 7 or 8 games. It's too soon to sack him.
Agree. Talking about sacking him is ridiculous. If Blues or Albion fans were doing the same to a new manager 7 games in, we'd be ripping the piss out of them for their fickleness. People need to calm down.
Bit of a difference between the expectations of Blues chairman to Dr T. Blues haven't spent millions on new players. Dr T is seeing what we are seeing and I can't see him lasting much longer.
It's still too soon however much money you've spent.
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I'd give him the season personally, unless of course we do start to struggle. Sacking a manager 7 games in after giving him all that money would be embarrassing.
Surely 1 win in 8 is struggling?
I'd like to know what the half time team talk is about because they certainly don't out fired up and motivated.
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What Blues fans think is completely irrelevant, every time they lose Rowett is 'A dirty Villa bastard'.
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Has 3 games in my eyes ..if still not into double figures he will have to go.
Managers do need time but
1)He spent a bloody fortune and was clear after that the midfield was seen as an issue but many on here and it's proved to be accurate
2)The players he brought alot was made of them being club captains ,experienced at this level.We are not seeing this
If he is sacked it could look too soon alternatively you leave it longer and when you still sack him the season is a right off.
Also take into account Dr Tony is trying to improve out branding ,get us more global recognition ...with all due respect losing to Luton ,failing to beat teams like Brentford who we have massively spent more than is not going to facilitate that .
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I'm just glad the internet wasn't around during Sir Graham's poor start.
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I'm just glad the internet wasn't around during Sir Graham's poor start.
Every cloud.
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7 games in and time to look at the table...
17th in the fucking 2nd Division. 1 win, 2 points above relegation, 5 from the play offs.
How can anybody defend the manager? Appalling.
I don't defend him, but at the same time I think it's ridiculous to be talking about sacking him at this stage. I'm not happy with results, but it's 7 or 8 games. It's too soon to sack him.
Agree. Talking about sacking him is ridiculous. If Blues or Albion fans were doing the same to a new manager 7 games in, we'd be ripping the piss out of them for their fickleness. People need to calm down.
Bit of a difference between the expectations of Blues chairman to Dr T. Blues haven't spent millions on new players. Dr T is seeing what we are seeing and I can't see him lasting much longer.
It's still too soon however much money you've spent.
Exactly. What happens when the new manager hasn't won in his first three games? is it time to start looking around then?
I think there are three clear issues which conceding late goals consistently shows. Firstly that if you continue invite pressure in games you will eventually falter, we have to be more proactive and pressure teams. Secondly those 'leaders' in our team aren't doing enough at the moment. Thirdly I don't think our fitness is up to it, as it's impacting our collective concentration.
All three issues can be address and the manager needs to get a handle on it, but sacking him after 8 games is not going to do any good.
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Our recurring problem over and over again is that we have been too slow to react to what is actually happening on the pitch. The attitude that there is plenty of time and it will all come right in the end is what has got us 17th in the Second Division. Caution will prevail and this season will go down the drain. I might go to the odd game now and again but I am not going round the Wrekin again of a manager getting £3 million a year getting elementary things wrong. Whatever they do or don't do, whoever comes through the doors of Villa Park or goes out of them it is too late to reignite my enthusiasm. The combination of Lerner's vacuousness, the treatment of Remi Garde in the January window and the treachery of Eric Black reduced my Villa passion to a flicker. RDM, nowhere near as bad as most of his predecessors, is my last straw.
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Our recurring problem over and over again is that we have been too slow to react to what is actually happening on the pitch. The attitude that there is plenty of time and it will all come right in the end is what has got us 17th in the Second Division. Caution will prevail and this season will go down the drain. I might go to the odd game now and again but I am not going round the Wrekin again of a manager getting £3 million a year getting elementary things wrong. Whatever they do or don't do, whoever comes through the doors of Villa Park or goes out of them it is too late to reignite my enthusiasm. The combination of Lerner's vacuousness, the treatment of Remi Garde in the January window and the treachery of Eric Black reduced my Villa passion to a flicker. RDM, nowhere near as bad as most of his predecessors, is my last straw.
If they dropped out of professional football altogether my enthusiasm for Aston Villa would never wane. It's in my DNA.
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With the money spent and quality we have we should be competing for the title. We are a mile away from being able to finish in the top half with this persistent shite.
Get rid while we still have a chance of making the play offs. It's not too soon to see he's a moron with as much tactical accuman as Sherwood or Lambert. He won't improve and we will suffer.
7 seasons of shit. This one includes garbage results against utter nobodies to rub salt in the wound.
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He's taken over a hell of a mess give him a chance. Beginning to dawn on people we are not as good as we want to believe that's the issue here. Ferguson, Saunders, Clough combined would have struggled
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He's taken over a hell of a mess give him a chance. Beginning to dawn on people we are not as good as we want to believe that's the issue here. Ferguson, Saunders, Clough combined would have struggled
I can't believe anyone thinks we have been anything other than abysmally shit for six years now.
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He's taken over a hell of a mess give him a chance. Beginning to dawn on people we are not as good as we want to believe that's the issue here. Ferguson, Saunders, Clough combined would have struggled
Doesn't explain his tactical shitness which after 8 games is so badly exposed we looked like cannon fodder against such superpowers as Luton Town and Bristol City
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We cannot afford to dick about with this. He needs to go asap and get someone in that knows his arse from his elbow. We'll get nowhere under this clown
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The Edge, respect. You may feel less enthusiastic when you are just short of your 80th birthday and trying to dredge up the energy to drive from deepest East Anglia to games home and away to see three wins in a season followed by one win in eight as starters for this one.
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We cannot afford to dick about with this. He needs to go asap and get someone in that knows his arse from his elbow. We'll get nowhere under this clown
Was unsure about him when he joined. Appears that any doubt I had was justified.
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if you want almost guaranteed promotion but arn't to bothered the way you get it there is always Neil Warnock
edit, he wouldn't be my choice btw
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If Ads is downbeat, you know we are in trouble!
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If Ads is downbeat, you know we are in trouble!
That was my first thought! Probably one of the last to turn last season in February sometime. You cant keep repeating the same excuses, it will take time, we need to gel, we haven't had our best 11 out, we are unlucky, its too soon, don't panic. That is a repeat of everything said the last 6 years, we've outspent the division by a grotesque amount, the manager earns A similar amount to brentfords entire turnover and still makes basic errors that even most on here see a mile off. Every man and his dog knew what was happening the last few games with the formations, we've ended them both looking a total mess on the pitch.
The teams shape is ridiculous as we try to cram in all the attackers we've bought, what happens when adomah and grealish are fit? 3-1-6? Its Keegan amateurish. If man city had spent 10/15x more than most of the league and had 1 win to show they'd pull the trigger, its about standards and expectations, we cant afford to keep lowering ours. I'm confident the good Dr wont though, he's no loser and this shit being churned out wont hold with him. 4-2-4 bloody ridiculous.
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I'm sorry, but I'm not sure 8 games is anyway enough time to make a judgement. I'm not happy with results obviously, but I don't think binning the manager off now is the way to go.
RDM has got WBA promoted and MK Dons promoted, so he clearly has understood what to do in the past.
Like I said what happens when a new manager takes over and then he doesn't win for his first three games, do we sack him too?
I'm not saying give RDM forever, but he does need more time than this. If we're having the same conversation in late October/November then maybe it's time to look at options.
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Paul with respect that's what we heard with Lambert, look at the job he did under Norwich he knows his stuff. He didn't, we spotted his glaring errors too.
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I'm sorry, but I'm not sure 8 games is anyway enough time to make a judgement. I'm not happy with results obviously, but I don't think binning the manager off now is the way to go.
RDM has got WBA promoted and MK Dons promoted, so he clearly has understood what to do in the past.
Like I said what happens when a new manager takes over and then he doesn't win for his first three games, do we sack him too?
I'm not saying give RDM forever, but he does need more time than this. If we're having the same conversation in late October/November then maybe it's time to look at options.
I agree.
Currently we're like a load of hysterical schoolgirls getting all shrill because things aren't going our way from the off.
RDM has (pretty much) an entire new team to get going and into some sort of shape. This division is always the same - any team that goes on a decent run of 5-6 games undefeated is suddenly within a play-off placing. Its way too early too panic.
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I'm just glad the internet wasn't around during Sir Graham's poor start.
Every cloud.
We had the Argus letters page though.
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The system could work if he had midfielders who, for sake of argument, weren't Westwood or Gardner. But the midfielders are Westwood and Gardner.
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Late October November and still losing will to all intents and purposes write off this season. What do we do then? Give new manager half a season to "bed in", "gel", "move out the underperformers", "put some steel into the spine"? Sorry, I have seen this movie five times already. My garden beckons.
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The system could work if he had midfielders who, for sake of argument, weren't Westwood or Gardner. But the midfielders are Westwood and Gardner.
And I don't think the central midfielders we've bought are that great to be honest.
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Even if you accept that RDM didn't choose the signings and therefore can't be blamed for the unbalanced squad, the big things for me are that he is not even using the players he has effectively (lots of big strikers and no width is pointless and we had the players to solve that). Also he fails to learn game on game as the same patterns recur.
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Jedinak is fine, Tish looks promising for the future, but there's nobody at the club you look at and think 'now that's the man'.
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There aren't enough options in midfield and none are good enough to play in a two. It did feel that Adomah was a nice to have on deadline day and strengthening midfield was a bigger priority.
We must have three across the middle. Too many sides are playing round us, the only difference to last season is that championship sides lack quality in the final third.
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Jedinak is fine, Tish looks promising for the future, but there's nobody at the club you look at and think 'now that's the man'.
Exactly, its the engine room of the side, where the tempo is set and games dominated. We bought an untried kid off of an injury and a 30+ on the way down. We look like we need a confident dynamic player in there. The ball is so slow when we have it in the middle, its walking pace.
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Tshbiola looks dynamic to me, its just he's always bloody injured. Can't say we weren't warned.
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Maybe we should play Grealish as a third central midfielder? He might not be the strongest but he doesn't lose the ball much these days, he does work hard, and he might do fine if shielded by another two.
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Injuries are a big consideration in how useful a player is in real world terms. Look at Vlaar, great player but not great for us because of his injury record. What we need now is a settled team and formation. Not saying we shouldn't have bought Tish but it's a very key area of the pitch in which to be tinkering every game, with poor cover, and that doesn't help us.
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Before I get stuck into my garden, I will say this. Where we are now has been entirely predictable to anybody with eyes to see. Last season the board and presumably the owner chose not to support any attempt by Remi Garde to fight to stay in the Premiership. At some point last January, possibly to appease Lerner, the Villa dice were rolled yet again in the foolish belief that the Championship was rubbish and a piece of piss to get out of. Exit Remi Garde, enter Eric Black. Any concept of hitting the ground running in the Championship was squandered by him allowing rigor mortis to set in. So, the club gets sold, a new manager, new coaches and a new board are put in place, huge amounts of money are spent on players believed to have qualities we have been lacking. Not only do we not hit the ground running, we stumble out of the starting gate, repeating all the old management errors that saw the horrors of the last five years and not having made an inch of progress since last January. The only difference is that ours is now the agony of the second tier not the first.
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Anyway, on the basis that the international break is a good time to change a manager... I'd stick with Di Matteo for now. If the next four games are a disaster (ie fewer than three points) I'd consider getting rid during the October international break.
If he survives that, I'd also consider booting him if we haven't got at least a dozen points from our next nine (which takes us up to the November international break).
At the end of the season, if he survives that long, we should be top six or his position would deservedly be under threat.
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For the first time in this whole sorry saga I'm actually starting to think we're quite likely to do a Forest/Wednesday and become a perennial non-top flight spent force of a club.
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Anyway, on the basis that the international break is a good time to change a manager... I'd stick with Di Matteo for now. If the next four games are a disaster (ie fewer than three points) I'd consider getting rid during the October international break.
If he survives that, I'd also consider booting him if we haven't got at least a dozen points from our next nine (which takes us up to the November international break).
At the end of the season, if he survives that long, we should be top six or his position would deservedly be under threat.
For the money spent, anything less than 8 points from four is a disaster. The aim is win promotion. To do that you need to average 2 points a game. If we fail to take less than 8 from Ipswich, Newcastle, Barnsley and Preston, then that is a disaster, let alone 3.
The fact that 3 are away and that our manager is such a clueless, Sherwood esq, buffoon should see us walk away with a quarter of that if we're lucky. Draw or a loss at Ipswich, draw at Preston and defeats to Newcastle and the might of fucking Barnsley.
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for the first time ever I am genuinely starting to want to not care
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Can we have a poll? We haven't had a poll in ages.
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What's draining for me is having another goon manager who reacts slow and makes obvious dreadful tactical calls and selections. Its tiring going over the old give him time we are unlucky and he's still learning routine. There hasn't been a single manager here the last 20 years that I can remember who made a miraculous turnaround in to something different than when they first took the reins. We can give him all the time in the world but he is what he is. Without the huge financial advantage we'd have no chance. If he's not the right one lets not give another manager years and hundreds of millions of resources to fail and fuck us up long term and ruin the owner.
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Gregory.
He made us attacking an exciting to go from 19th or what have you to 7th. Then slowly turned us into the most boring Villa side I've ever seen.
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Quite right, can you remember anyone who started off making terrible errors and poor selections then tactically transformed positively in a few months? The pressure of the villa job has seen off many a charlatan.
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Nope. Only ever gets worse. Its not looking good and I cannot believe anybody has any genuine confidence that the balloon will turn it round.
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The errors where made in the window , the midfield was left one paced without mobility made worse by the horrible tactics we are playing.
Beyond Tony I can't believe that Wyness and Round ,who have been in game long enough are going to sit watching this thinking the team is woefully unbalanced.
I suspect RDM will be sacked and Jan will see us either buying or loaning to try and salvage the season
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I feel gutted about RDM really, as its yet another abject failure.
I wish McLiesh was still in charge, as it would have meant we'd finished top 8 or something year in year out. I hate it when they fail, the useless bastards.
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We were on 6 points after 7 games under Taylor but then we went on an 11 game unbeaten run, winning 7 of them. Time to turn it round, RDM, or things will start looking very bleak for him and us
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Make it happen.
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I agree that it's too early to drop RDM but he's left himself no margin for error in the next 8 games. we've played well in the main but not got the results.
I want him to succeed but we're in he Championship, it's all about winning games regardless of the opposition.
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Stick with him for a while longer but Tony the Tweeter has been ominously quiet on there since the result.
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if we get spanked like QPR did against the Jawdies, Tony's going to pull the trigger
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I'd be straight over to St Andrews for Gary Rowett. He's tactically astute, and has made that shower look a decent side. He's a Villa man and with our financial clout surely we could get him.
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I'd be straight over to St Andrews for Gary Rowett. He's tactically astute, and has made that shower look a decent side. He's a Villa man and with our financial clout surely we could get him.
To be honest, that's a very good shout.
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It is still early, but we aren't improving like we should be given the fact we've been adding to the squad as games have gone by and RDM has had longer to work with the players.
If he doesn't show some tactical nous (which he probably won't as he doesn't appear to have any) and get results in the next 4 games leading up to the International break, then I think he could be a goner in early October. If we get beaten heavily by Newcastle before that, he probably won't even last that long. Steve Bruce would be my choice, 2 promotions with Hull and 1 with SHA. I don't care if he isn't glamorous, he doesn't need to be, the players are and would prosper under an organiser.
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Maybe we should play Grealish as a third central midfielder? He might not be the strongest but he doesn't lose the ball much these days, he does work hard, and he might do fine if shielded by another two.
I'd play 4 in Midfield. Jack on the left - Adomah on the right once fit. Jedinak and Tishbola in the middle.
Ross and Kodjia upfront.
We're accomodating players. Four strikers starting a match is utterly ridiculous. Especially when we need to change things and we have no options.
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That would just be a 4-2-4 like yesterday, just more rigid in attack and more exposed in defence. I know we all watch a different game, but it is a bit beyond me how people think the answer to last night is 4-4-2, ie the same but a bit worse.
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The feedback I had from an Albion supporting mate is that RDM was never at the training ground and swanned in an out, one of the reasons they canned him.
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I think lots of managers do that these days. That's why we appointed Steve Clarke.
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That would just be a 4-2-4 like yesterday, just more rigid in attack and more exposed in defence. I know we all watch a different game, but it is a bit beyond me how people think the answer to last night is 4-4-2, ie the same but a bit worse.
The wingers would support the full backs which would stop us being overrun.
The other formation I've thought of is 4-1-2-2-1
IE
Jedinak
Tishbola Gardner
Grealish Mccormack
Kodjia
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The feedback I had from an Albion supporting mate is that RDM was never at the training ground and swanned in an out, one of the reasons they canned him.
Starting to think he is the Italian version of Sherwood talks a good game did well at big club for short period with someone else's players but useless with own team
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I prefer that second formation. One problem with 4-4-2 is that you get overrun in midfield, meaning the wide players coming inside to help, at which point you get overrun out wide. I wouldn't mind trying any system though, really, so long as Westwood isn't in it.
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That would just be a 4-2-4 like yesterday, just more rigid in attack and more exposed in defence. I know we all watch a different game, but it is a bit beyond me how people think the answer to last night is 4-4-2, ie the same but a bit worse.
The wingers would support the full backs which would stop us being overrun.
The other formation I've thought of is 4-1-2-2-1
IE
Jedinak
Tishbola Gardner
Grealish Mccormack
Kodjia
I like it but feel with both Grealish and McCormack as wide attackers your going to have very little pace in team.Problem also is you can mix and match that front three with Ayew Gestede and Adomah the middle 3 there is those 3 and thats it bar Westwood.
For me we should of been investing big money on midfield not all of it on the attackers
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When Fully fit
Gollini
De Laet Chester Elphick Amavi
Jedi
Tshibola Westwood
Grealish
Ayew Kodjia
Full backs to provide width.
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That would just be a 4-2-4 like yesterday, just more rigid in attack and more exposed in defence. I know we all watch a different game, but it is a bit beyond me how people think the answer to last night is 4-4-2, ie the same but a bit worse.
The wingers would support the full backs which would stop us being overrun.
The other formation I've thought of is 4-1-2-2-1
IE
Jedinak
Tishbola Gardner
Grealish Mccormack
Kodjia
I like it but feel with both Grealish and McCormack as wide attackers your going to have very little pace in team.Problem also is you can mix and match that front three with Ayew Gestede and Adomah the middle 3 there is those 3 and thats it bar Westwood.
For me we should of been investing big money on midfield not all of it on the attackers
At home could we get away with sacrifising Cissoko and playing three at the back with another midfielder - going 3-4-3 with Jedinak playing the holding role?
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When Fully fit
Gollini
De Laet Chester Elphick Amavi
Jedi
Tshibola Westwood
Grealish
Ayew Kodjia
Full backs to provide width.
I'd swap Gardner for Westwood and Mccormack for Ayew.
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It has reached the point where I would consider literally sacrificing a player if it would appease the gods and win us a match.
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I think lots of managers do that these days. That's why we appointed Steve Clarke.
Agreed. When it comes to coaching players, I trust Steve Clarke to do a much better job of it than RDM.
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It has reached the point where I would consider literally sacrificing a player if it would appease the gods and win us a match.
You mean something like, Ashley Westwood, in a Wicker Man, on Barr Beacon? I shall call Lord Summerisle immediately.
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It has reached the point where I would consider literally sacrificing a player if it would appease the gods and win us a match.
You mean something like, Ashley Westwood, in a Wicker Man, on Barr Beacon? I shall call Lord Summerisle immediately.
Please let me know when tickets go on sale.
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That would just be a 4-2-4 like yesterday, just more rigid in attack and more exposed in defence. I know we all watch a different game, but it is a bit beyond me how people think the answer to last night is 4-4-2, ie the same but a bit worse.
The wingers would support the full backs which would stop us being overrun.
The other formation I've thought of is 4-1-2-2-1
IE
Jedinak
Tishbola Gardner
Grealish Mccormack
Kodjia
That team is instantly void, it has Gardner in it.
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If Dr Xia pulled the trigger we'd be seen as an even bigger joke than we already are as a club this last five years.
Who in their right mind would sack a manager that's barely started his job after being given funds to rebuild the team for a long season ahead ?
Bloody mental.
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If Dr Xia pulled the trigger we'd be seen as an even bigger joke than we already are as a club this last five years.
Who in their right mind would sack a manager that's barely started his job after being given funds to rebuild the team for a long season ahead ?
Bloody mental.
Really couldn't agree more.
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What ha RDM done wrong? Team are playing like a team, he as had to perform the most critical form of surgery and it will take to gel. There is no league game so far where we have no had the opportunity to kill it off. Apart from Bristol second half and periods of second Hal last night it has been the individual errors not tactics that have done us in
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Gollini
Laet
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If Dr Xia pulled the trigger we'd be seen as an even bigger joke than we already are as a club this last five years.
Who in their right mind would sack a manager that's barely started his job after being given funds to rebuild the team for a long season ahead ?
Bloody mental.
Really couldn't agree more.
If we did pull the trigger at such a premature stage as this, what decent manager in their right mind would want the job next? Far too early for this even to be up for discussion in my opinion.
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Gollini
Laet Chester Elphick Amavi
Tish Jedniak
Grealish Ayew
McCormack
Kodj
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We go again.
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Gollini
Laet Chester Elphick Amavi
Tish Jedniak
Grealish Ayew
McCormack
Kodj
I'm going to have to ask why you'd have Amavi in ahead of Cissokho ?
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What ha RDM done wrong? Team are playing like a team, he as had to perform the most critical form of surgery and it will take to gel. There is no league game so far where we have no had the opportunity to kill it off. Apart from Bristol second half and periods of second Hal last night it has been the individual errors not tactics that have done us in
IMO the biggest problem is that we aren't at all, just a few talented individuals who've been thrown out there and aren't organised as any kind of unit.
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Well looking at these teams I'm really hoping De Laet, Grealish, McCormack, Tish and Adomah are actually fit.
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It has reached the point where I would consider literally sacrificing a player if it would appease the gods and win us a match.
You mean something like, Ashley Westwood, in a Wicker Man, on Barr Beacon? I shall call Lord Summerisle immediately.
I did actually suggest this before the match last night.
But then I tend to think the Old Ways are much neglected ;-)
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I am coming around to the idea that he needs to go.
I like the signings, and I think he correctly identified what needed to be done with the squad. He now has one of the best if not the best squads in the division, and he should be doing much better than he is. Indeed that squad should be good enough to stay up if we were still in the top flight.
Not getting promoted will cost a lot more than getting someone else in. We cocked up not getting shot of Sherwood for Allardyce last season, and if we wait too long now we could be doing the same thing here.
Hopefully if we stick with him the squad will click and we shoot up the table, but the signs are not good. Unlike last season it isn't the team that is the problem, it is the tactics, formation and substitutions. Give that squad to someone that knows what the league is about like Bruce, Warnock or McCarthy and we would be near or above Newcastle already. Now none of those are right for when we get promoted, but they would all be capable of getting us up.
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When RDM was appointed I felt it was a so what decision. I was encouraged however by Clarke coming in as number 2, as I believe him to be a good coach and sounding board for a manager. They really have to sort themselves out quickly otherwise I can see them under real pressure by the transfer window,
One obvious point from all our performances so far is that we don't yet know our best team and the players haven't gelled. For the life of me I cant understand why we didn't get our recruitment done sooner in the summer. I recall Mourinho coming to England and pressing home 2 truths - the importance of completing the squad asap so they can gel by opening day kick off (he used to practice different systems and formations pre-season, figuring there was no time for this during the season itself), and the fact that points in August are as valuable as in the end of season chase, so hit the ground running.
I think we need to give RDM more time to sort out his team and style but I go back to something I said to Chico in the summer, namely that a number of people were convinced a season in the Championship would be more fun than the last few years but if it looked like it would take longer the mood could turn nasty (or defeatist) very quickly.
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For the record, SGT's start to the season in 1987...
Sat Aug 15 Division 2 Ipswich Town Away Drew 1-1
Sat Aug 22 Division 2 Birmingham City Home Lost 0-2
Sat Aug 29 Division 2 Hull City Away Lost 1-2
Mon Aug 31 Division 2 Manchester City Home Drew 1-1
Sat Sep 5 Division 2 Leicester City Away Won 2-0
Tue Sep 8 Division 2 Middlesbrough Home Lost 0-1
Sat Sep 12 Division 2 Barnsley Home Drew 0-0
And we all know how that turned out !
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For the record, SGT's start to the season in 1987...
Sat Aug 15 Division 2 Ipswich Town Away Drew 1-1
Sat Aug 22 Division 2 Birmingham City Home Lost 0-2
Sat Aug 29 Division 2 Hull City Away Lost 1-2
Mon Aug 31 Division 2 Manchester City Home Drew 1-1
Sat Sep 5 Division 2 Leicester City Away Won 2-0
Tue Sep 8 Division 2 Middlesbrough Home Lost 0-1
Sat Sep 12 Division 2 Barnsley Home Drew 0-0
And we all know how that turned out !
We then went on an 11-game unbeaten run in the league, straight after that. RDM needs to get an upturn in results and fast.
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I want him to succeed, but if he does then it's going nothing to do with how good Taylor was.
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I still think some people are clearly in denail about how big this rebuild job is and how hard it's going to be to get out this league anytime soon.
Give it a chance FFS, it was always going to be a BIG job, just throwing money at it isn't going to make it any easier for a new team to gel. It's going to take time, it always was
I still think it could take three seasons. And no amount of changing managers/players is going to change that.
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No rebuild job is going to work if a manager makes the simple errors like this one.
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I still think some people are clearly in denail about how big this rebuild job is and how hard it's going to be to get out this league anytime soon.
Give it a chance FFS, it was always going to be a BIG job, just throwing money at it isn't going to make it any easier for a new team to gel. It's going to take time, it always was
I still think it could take three seasons. And no amount of changing managers/players is going to change that.
Why are we convincing ourselves that this is a big job?
This league isn't difficult.. we are just absolutely pissing away opportunities. We could be top of the league if we showed any sort of gumption and/or discipline.
On paper our squad should be banging 4 goals a game, and against Forest it finally looked like our ability to create chances was beginning to evolve into something.
We go out and we buy a few captains, a few goalscorers and those with the experience of promotion. It shouldn't take players for their "quality" to gel in order to thump fucking Brentford at home. I'm not going to slate RDM but he is coming off as very limited.
It's ridiculous that supporters think this is going to be difficult. I'm sick of hearing that the Championship is a marathon. Go out there, score a couple goals against the absolute trash that fills this league and get on with it. We let that ginger kid boss our midfield yesterday, its embarrassing. Get Westwood of the pitch, he's one of the few remaining constants in this plight of misery.
We're the biggest club in the Championship, and no one is scared to come to VP and steal points. It's bullshit.
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I still think some people are clearly in denail about how big this rebuild job is and how hard it's going to be to get out this league anytime soon.
Give it a chance FFS, it was always going to be a BIG job, just throwing money at it isn't going to make it any easier for a new team to gel. It's going to take time, it always was
I still think it could take three seasons. And no amount of changing managers/players is going to change that.
My biggest worry with that is that given the massive increase in "prize" money that even clubs relegated from the PL will now receive, (£91m for bottom, is that about right?), as early as next season we could, could, effectively have a top division of 23 clubs, with the relegated clubs in the unimaginably enviable position of being able to chuck literally tens upon tens of millions at getting straight back up without the need of a backer.
The sooner we're up, the better.
And I couldn't give a toss about how we achieve it.
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I still think some people are clearly in denail about how big this rebuild job is and how hard it's going to be to get out this league anytime soon.
Give it a chance FFS, it was always going to be a BIG job, just throwing money at it isn't going to make it any easier for a new team to gel. It's going to take time, it always was
I still think it could take three seasons. And no amount of changing managers/players is going to change that.
Why are we convincing ourselves that this is a big job?
This league isn't difficult.. we are just absolutely pissing away opportunities. We could be top of the league if we showed any sort of gumption and/or discipline.
On paper our squad should be banging 4 goals a game, and against Forest it finally looked like our ability to create chances was beginning to evolve into something.
We go out and we buy a few captains, a few goalscorers and those with the experience of promotion. It shouldn't take players for their "quality" to gel in order to thump fucking Brentford at home. I'm not going to slate RDM but he is coming off as very limited.
It's ridiculous that supporters think this is going to be difficult. I'm sick of hearing that the Championship is a marathon. Go out there, score a couple goals against the absolute trash that fills this league and get on with it. We let that ginger kid boss our midfield yesterday, its embarrassing. Get Westwood of the pitch, he's one of the few remaining constants in this plight of misery.
We're the biggest club in the Championship, and no one is scared to come to VP and steal points. It's bullshit.
Good post, completely agree.
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3 seasons to get out of a comedy division like this? Maybe with clueless managers in tow yes. Anyone half decent being bankrolled will stroll this division.
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I still think some people are clearly in denail about how big this rebuild job is and how hard it's going to be to get out this league anytime soon.
Give it a chance FFS, it was always going to be a BIG job, just throwing money at it isn't going to make it any easier for a new team to gel. It's going to take time, it always was
I still think it could take three seasons. And no amount of changing managers/players is going to change that.
Why are we convincing ourselves that this is a big job?
This league isn't difficult.. we are just absolutely pissing away opportunities. We could be top of the league if we showed any sort of gumption and/or discipline.
On paper our squad should be banging 4 goals a game, and against Forest it finally looked like our ability to create chances was beginning to evolve into something.
We go out and we buy a few captains, a few goalscorers and those with the experience of promotion. It shouldn't take players for their "quality" to gel in order to thump fucking Brentford at home. I'm not going to slate RDM but he is coming off as very limited.
It's ridiculous that supporters think this is going to be difficult. I'm sick of hearing that the Championship is a marathon. Go out there, score a couple goals against the absolute trash that fills this league and get on with it. We let that ginger kid boss our midfield yesterday, its embarrassing. Get Westwood of the pitch, he's one of the few remaining constants in this plight of misery.
We're the biggest club in the Championship, and no one is scared to come to VP and steal points. It's bullshit.
Good post, completely agree.
I sort of agree with both.
The club has / is being rebuilt and we have had much more to do than Newcastle, Norwich - new owner, board, management team, shit squad to overhaul. However, when you look at the matches we have played, we should have more points than we have now. RDM has to sort this pattern out of throwing away points.
I wasn't expecting to go up this season before this season stared but I wanted us at least to progress - off the pitch it has but on the pitch, no...so far.
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I still think some people are clearly in denail about how big this rebuild job is and how hard it's going to be to get out this league anytime soon.
Give it a chance FFS, it was always going to be a BIG job, just throwing money at it isn't going to make it any easier for a new team to gel. It's going to take time, it always was
I still think it could take three seasons. And no amount of changing managers/players is going to change that.
Why are we convincing ourselves that this is a big job?
This league isn't difficult.. we are just absolutely pissing away opportunities. We could be top of the league if we showed any sort of gumption and/or discipline.
On paper our squad should be banging 4 goals a game, and against Forest it finally looked like our ability to create chances was beginning to evolve into something.
We go out and we buy a few captains, a few goalscorers and those with the experience of promotion. It shouldn't take players for their "quality" to gel in order to thump fucking Brentford at home. I'm not going to slate RDM but he is coming off as very limited.
It's ridiculous that supporters think this is going to be difficult. I'm sick of hearing that the Championship is a marathon. Go out there, score a couple goals against the absolute trash that fills this league and get on with it. We let that ginger kid boss our midfield yesterday, its embarrassing. Get Westwood of the pitch, he's one of the few remaining constants in this plight of misery.
We're the biggest club in the Championship, and no one is scared to come to VP and steal points. It's bullshit.
See when you write it down I almost believe it will happen but then I watch it and it doesn't.
Totally agree that with some alternative tactics, good fitness, wise substitutions, discipline, a decent work-rate and the correct team on the pitch we will mash teams up every week...
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I still think some people are clearly in denail about how big this rebuild job is and how hard it's going to be to get out this league anytime soon.
Give it a chance FFS, it was always going to be a BIG job, just throwing money at it isn't going to make it any easier for a new team to gel. It's going to take time, it always was
I still think it could take three seasons. And no amount of changing managers/players is going to change that.
Yep. People getting into an almighty panic after 7 games is astonshing.
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I still think some people are clearly in denail about how big this rebuild job is and how hard it's going to be to get out this league anytime soon.
Give it a chance FFS, it was always going to be a BIG job, just throwing money at it isn't going to make it any easier for a new team to gel. It's going to take time, it always was
I still think it could take three seasons. And no amount of changing managers/players is going to change that.
Yep. People getting into an almighty panic after 7 games is astonshing.
I don't think its panic, I think its irritation.
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Tim was sacked on my birthday, October 25th. I went up the day before to watch them against Swansea and last night and similarities to then.
I would like him to be given roughly the same time at least, 7-8 more games which takes us up to the game against the gypos on Oct 30th.
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I still think some people are clearly in denail about how big this rebuild job is and how hard it's going to be to get out this league anytime soon.
Give it a chance FFS, it was always going to be a BIG job, just throwing money at it isn't going to make it any easier for a new team to gel. It's going to take time, it always was
I still think it could take three seasons. And no amount of changing managers/players is going to change that.
Yep. People getting into an almighty panic after 7 games is astonshing.
I don't think its panic, I think its irritation.
When they talk about sacking the manager and mentioning relegation, it's panic.
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If Dr T Pulls the Trigger...It's Steve Bruce coming in.
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If Dr T Pulls the Trigger...It's Steve Bruce coming in.
and right there is a reason to panic.
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I still think some people are clearly in denail about how big this rebuild job is and how hard it's going to be to get out this league anytime soon.
Give it a chance FFS, it was always going to be a BIG job, just throwing money at it isn't going to make it any easier for a new team to gel. It's going to take time, it always was
I still think it could take three seasons. And no amount of changing managers/players is going to change that.
Yep. People getting into an almighty panic after 7 games is astonshing.
I don't think its panic, I think its irritation.
When they talk about sacking the manager and mentioning relegation, it's panic.
I don't necessarily agree. I haven't seen anyone mentioning relegation, but when a manager is failing to get the best out of a very able squad its irritating. Tactical mistakes and throwing away points will lead any supporter to question their manager. There will always be the few knee-jerkers that to call for heads to roll, that's at every club. We drop a division, change the hierarchy, spend 50 million and nothing has changed..
I expected more, and I think many others did too. I try to be as patient as the next guy, but despite this league being labeled a marathon these matches fly by.. and we're not taking the points we deserve.
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If we don't win in the next 3 get rid - I've had enough of giving people a chance and Bruce would do better. Those players should be miles better than this and I'm not seeing them busting a gut half the time. Where is this attitude coming from???
Unless Xia has plan B to go up next season then there's no point sacking him now, might as well give him a season to prepare for next - I don't believe that for a minute. The minute we look like we're out of touching distance of at least the playoffs he'll go. I think he'll get till new year.
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We've won 4 of our last 47 league games, it's hardly surprising fans aren't in the most patient of moods.
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We've won 4 of our last 47 league games, it's hardly surprising fans aren't in the most patient of moods.
if you want to get really depressed 79 games and 52 points
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SirLord,
Just an observation, haven't Newcastle also brought in a lot of new players? Took them 2 games to gel. Have to add though that hardly any other team seems to have the injuries we do. Why that should be, I have no idea. Adomah for example, what does he even look like???
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One thing Newcastle have managed to keep that we haven't is a core of players that presumably know how each other play. Okay, they also got them relegated but at least they've had more or less a year together. Virtually the whole of our team is new - some out of choice, some because we couldn't replace them.
Another, more annoying difference is that Newcastle lost anyone who was any good and play better. When Villa lost their best players they couldn't score six goals in six games, never mind one.
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If Dr T Pulls the Trigger...It's Steve Bruce coming in.
and right there is a reason to panic.
That's steve Bruce that got SHA promoted and a poor Hull side promoted, twice. Once a recently as last season. I'd take him.
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So would I. Of course I don't like him much, but there are few better when it comes to understanding what it takes to get out of this league
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One thing Newcastle have managed to keep that we haven't is a core of players that presumably know how each other play. Okay, they also got them relegated but at least they've had more or less a year together. Virtually the whole of our team is new - some out of choice, some because we couldn't replace them.
Another, more annoying difference is that Newcastle lost anyone who was any good and play better. When Villa lost their best players they couldn't score six goals in six games, never mind one.
I think the other difference with the other relegated teams is we were so bad that our relationship with some players had deteriorated beyond repair. Richards, Guzan, Lescott, Guzan, Gabby, Sinclair, Hutton, needed replacing as much because of that as their limitations at this level. We needed to recruit so many players that it's no real surprise that we couldn't quite manage it in all the areas we needed to and we have an unbalanced squad.
On the balance of play we should have won more points from the games we have played than we have accumulated, but that was probably true of last season too. After a certain point the need to get points becomes all consuming and stops players playing with freedom and confidence. Last night suggested that maybe that could happen in this division too. If the new players start to feel like they've joined a team that's continuing to sink rather than one on the way up it could spiral further.
As others have said, the tense atmosphere and accompanying booing come from six years of disappointment, and similarly the new players will inherit six years of tension if things start to go wrong. Presumably its what happened at Leeds. Rightly or wrongly I think it points to RDM getting the next 3-4 games to turn form around.
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Got to give him time that ford mondao took a while to reach Rome give Rome some time to deliver. We are not Leeds enough said
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SirLord,
Just an observation, haven't Newcastle also brought in a lot of new players? Took them 2 games to gel. Have to add though that hardly any other team seems to have the injuries we do. Why that should be, I have no idea. Adomah for example, what does he even look like???
Reminds me of the black guy who's mates with the getaway driver in Snatch I think.
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Tyrone or was that the driver?
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You will never get promoted playing the likes of Westwood and Gary Gardner in your midfield
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Tyrone was the driver.
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So would I. Of course I don't like him much, but there are few better when it comes to understanding what it takes to get out of this league
I think this phrase "he can get a team out of the championship", "he has championship experience" is a bit overrated in my opinion. Boro, Watford, Norwich all went up with managers without any English football under their belt. I'm not doubting Bruce has a knack of it but their something about him which makes me think he takes you on a bit of a roller coaster, you go up and then down again. I could only see it ending in disaster again due to his other connections.
Personally I don't want Robbie to get the boot, I want to see what he does with a fully fit squad but if it did happen I bet Tony pulls out his trump card, dreams big and says "Oh Simeone boy, hold out your hand, what's £50 million a year feel like"?
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Absolutely baffles me how easy some people think the football lark is. Makes you wonder why they've not took it up as a career
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So would I. Of course I don't like him much, but there are few better when it comes to understanding what it takes to get out of this league
I think this phrase "he can get a team out of the championship", "he has championship experience" is a bit overrated in my opinion. Boro, Watford, Norwich all went up with managers without any English football under their belt. I'm not doubting Bruce has a knack of it but their something about him which makes me think he takes you on a bit of a roller coaster, you go up and then down again. I could only see it ending in disaster again due to his other connections.
Personally I don't want Robbie to get the boot, I want to see what he does with a fully fit squad but if it did happen I bet Tony pulls out his trump card, dreams big and says "Oh Simeone boy, hold out your hand, what's £50 million a year feel like"?
I was saying to a colleague today that if RDM was sacked Xia would be capable of bringing in somebody like Zico.
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Absolutely baffles me how easy some people think the football lark is. Makes you wonder why they've not took it up as a career
Jesus, not this rubbish again.
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So would I. Of course I don't like him much, but there are few better when it comes to understanding what it takes to get out of this league
I think this phrase "he can get a team out of the championship", "he has championship experience" is a bit overrated in my opinion. Boro, Watford, Norwich all went up with managers without any English football under their belt. I'm not doubting Bruce has a knack of it but their something about him which makes me think he takes you on a bit of a roller coaster, you go up and then down again. I could only see it ending in disaster again due to his other connections.
Personally I don't want Robbie to get the boot, I want to see what he does with a fully fit squad but if it did happen I bet Tony pulls out his trump card, dreams big and says "Oh Simeone boy, hold out your hand, what's £50 million a year feel like"?
I was saying to a colleague today that if RDM was sacked Xia would be capable of bringing in somebody like Zico.
This is my thinking, if he dreams of us being bigger than Barcelona ( laughs ) then I reckon it wouldn't be for the lack of trying he tries someone like a Yakin, Biesla or even someone in a job and tempts them with a massive salary, even in this league. He's probably looking at the Geordies and wanting to match them ... that's if he gives Robbie the boot though which I hope he doesn't yet.
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That's steve Bruce that got SHA promoted and a poor Hull side promoted, twice. Once a recently as last season. I'd take him.
Bruce will possibly get us promoted but will hit his ceiling real fast thereafter. We should be looking longer-term than that (as Dr.T has stated). I think RDM deserves another month at least before we even consider another managerial change.
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Absolutely baffles me how easy some people think the football lark is. Makes you wonder why they've not took it up as a career
I dont think anyone thinks it's easy mate. This is a discussion forum for people to put forward their own ideas and theories. And in my case they usually get shot down in flames.... hey ho.
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17th... not quite going to plan is it?
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17th... not quite going to plan is it?
Your point being?
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It has reached the point where I would consider literally sacrificing a player if it would appease the gods and win us a match.
I hope that's not a threat? This site will be closed down at this rate.
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17th... not quite going to plan is it?
Your point being?
That is my point.
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Bruce.
Rick.
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It has reached the point where I would consider literally sacrificing a player if it would appease the gods and win us a match.
I hope that's not a threat? This site will be closed down at this rate.
No, it's a really, really obscure Monty Python quote.
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17th... not quite going to plan is it?
Your point being?
That is my point.
Do you have a degree in stating the obvious?
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17th... not quite going to plan is it?
Your point being?
That is my point.
Do you have a degree in stating the obvious?
HNC :)
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So would I. Of course I don't like him much, but there are few better when it comes to understanding what it takes to get out of this league
I think this phrase "he can get a team out of the championship", "he has championship experience" is a bit overrated in my opinion. Boro, Watford, Norwich all went up with managers without any English football under their belt. I'm not doubting Bruce has a knack of it but their something about him which makes me think he takes you on a bit of a roller coaster, you go up and then down again. I could only see it ending in disaster again due to his other connections.
Personally I don't want Robbie to get the boot, I want to see what he does with a fully fit squad but if it did happen I bet Tony pulls out his trump card, dreams big and says "Oh Simeone boy, hold out your hand, what's £50 million a year feel like"?
I was saying to a colleague today that if RDM was sacked Xia would be capable of bringing in somebody like Zico.
As long as it's not the worlds most appropriately named coach, Dunga.
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It has reached the point where I would consider literally sacrificing a player if it would appease the gods and win us a match.
I hope that's not a threat? This site will be closed down at this rate.
No, it's a really, really obscure Monty Python quote.
Phew, that's ok. I was going to start wondering if the disappearance of Tshibola had anything to do with you.
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What about Woy?
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17th... not quite going to plan is it?
Your point being?
That is my point.
Do you have a degree in stating the obvious?
Why would I need a degree to state the obvious?
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17th... not quite going to plan is it?
Your point being?
That is my point.
Do you have a degree in stating the obvious?
Why would I need a degree to state the obvious?
You need a degree for everything these days. Look how many graduates there are stacking shelves in supermarkets.
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That's steve Bruce that got SHA promoted and a poor Hull side promoted, twice. Once a recently as last season. I'd take him.
Bruce will possibly get us promoted but will hit his ceiling real fast thereafter. We should be looking longer-term than that (as Dr.T has stated). I think RDM deserves another month at least before we even consider another managerial change.
After the start we've made, I think most of us would take that wouldn't we? Way too early to be writing De Matteo off at this point though.
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You need a degree for everything these days. Look how many graduates there are stacking shelves in supermarkets.
Stacking shelves is not a menial task. It is an art form requiring extra-ordinary dexterity combined with supreme athleticism and head for detail. I know as I did it in my student days and it greatly contributed to my education and turned me into a "Captain of Industry" that I am today. Please do not treat stacking shelves in similar vein to trivial pursuits like...errr like Accounting or Law.
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You need a degree for everything these days. Look how many graduates there are stacking shelves in supermarkets.
Stacking shelves is not a menial task. It is an art form requiring extra-ordinary dexterity combined with supreme athleticism and head for detail. I know as I did it in my student days and it greatly contributed to my education and turned me into a "Captain of Industry" that I am today. Please do not treat stacking shelves in similar vein to trivial pursuits like...errr like Accounting or Law.
I was originally going to end my comment with 'or teaching' but decided it would not reflect well on me.
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You need a degree for everything these days. Look how many graduates there are stacking shelves in supermarkets.
Stacking shelves is not a menial task. It is an art form requiring extra-ordinary dexterity combined with supreme athleticism and head for detail. I know as I did it in my student days and it greatly contributed to my education and turned me into a "Captain of Industry" that I am today. Please do not treat stacking shelves in similar vein to trivial pursuits like...errr like Accounting or Law.
You are Mr Logic and I claim my (new plastic) £5
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I still think some people are clearly in denail about how big this rebuild job is and how hard it's going to be to get out this league anytime soon.
Give it a chance FFS, it was always going to be a BIG job, just throwing money at it isn't going to make it any easier for a new team to gel. It's going to take time, it always was
I still think it could take three seasons. And no amount of changing managers/players is going to change that.
Yep. People getting into an almighty panic after 7 games is astonshing.
In recent years we've sacked our last three managers when they've gone into 1 win in 9/10/11 games terrority.
RDM is very close to that now and as I've said before imo Dr Tony will not let things drift like Lerner did under Lambert.
You have to see this from the owners perspective, he is not going to spend 150m (the 3 seasons to get promoted line) to get us to the prem. Eventually you have to take a step back, stop throw money and say stop. 50m should be more than good enough at this level to get promotion.
I'd agree this season would be a write off if we still had Richards and Lescott as CBs, Hutton as RB and Sinclair upfront but we don't, we have good players for this level.
Robbie needs to win some games and quick.
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I have made my decision to stop hurting myself and indirectly my family by cutting to a small number of Villa games I attend from this time onwards. However, I would like to believe that Tony Xia will take RDM, Steve Clarke and Kevin Bond aside in a private room somewhere and say "Start winning games or I WILL sack you".
The hidden dichotomy of modern football is that managers and coaches really don't give a shit about the supporters. To them we are an irrelevance to be tossed the odd palliative sound bite cliché from time to time. The owners on the other hand know that the fanbase underpins a huge part of their investment. RDM could walk away from the club a substantially even richer man than when he came. Just like O'Neill, Houllier, McLeish, Lambert, Sherwood, and Garde. Tony Xia on the other hand sees millions going down the toilet with every losing game. The motor that drives our recovery if and when it comes is going to be the owner, not the manager.
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lots there to agree with. I am not going to subject my family to self indulgent hissy fits any longer just because we can't resemble a competitive football team, so I'm going to be very selective about when I attend future games for the sake of my sanity and blood pressure. If Tony decides to pull the trigger now I wouldn't blame him and it wouldn't bother me one iota how that was perceived by the media and wider football community. In the last two seasons, we've spent around £100m gross on players, more than enough for successive management teams to have got them to play a half decent tune. If RDM can't do it soon he should go. Bruce gets on my tits but has a decent track record of getting teams up.
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Tyrone was the driver.
I hope Adomah isn't packing the same amount of lard as Tyrone (or Gabby for that matter).
"Get-away driver?! What the phuck can he get away from?!"
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Someone on another thread said at the end of their post 'we haven't got the points we deserve' which I thought was about right. Other than Luton and Bristol City, you could arguably say that we've deserved to win every game we've played but naivety, switching off and shoddy defending have cost us. Take away the last minute goals, we'd be up in the play off area's and we're only 5 points off them anyway but people are just seeing that we're 17th and deciding it's a disaster. Huddersfield are top but it doesn't mean they're going to stay there.
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Someone on another thread said at the end of their post 'we haven't got the points we deserve' which I thought was about right. Other than Luton and Bristol City, you could arguably say that we've deserved to win every game we've played but naivety, switching off and shoddy defending have cost us. Take away the last minute goals, we'd be up in the play off area's and we're only 5 points off them anyway but people are just seeing that we're 17th and deciding it's a disaster. Huddersfield are top but it doesn't mean they're going to stay there.
It sounded as if we fully deserved not to win on Wednesday, but the general point may stand.
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I don't look at 17th and think it is a disaster. The individual blows even as bad as relegation you can ride and come back for more. It is the endless repetition, over and over again of the same mistakes on the field and by implication in the boardroom and at the training ground. That is the disaster. The Brentford game was Bradford and Notts County and Wycombe revisited. I have had enough of false dawns and better tomorrows. I saw four centre forwards in front of a bad and unfit/overrated midfield pairing and I despaired. I have had enough of despairing. There is more to life than football.
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"In recent years we've sacked our last three managers when they've gone into 1 win in 9/10/11 games terrority.
RDM is very close to that now ..."
Two big differences, SoccerHQ:
1.The three previous managers were given a whole lot longer than one month of football to make their mark at the Club.
2.The three previous managers had us losing five, six, seven games in a row.
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Someone on another thread said at the end of their post 'we haven't got the points we deserve' which I thought was about right. Other than Luton and Bristol City, you could arguably say that we've deserved to win every game we've played but naivety, switching off and shoddy defending have cost us. Take away the last minute goals, we'd be up in the play off area's and we're only 5 points off them anyway but people are just seeing that we're 17th and deciding it's a disaster. Huddersfield are top but it doesn't mean they're going to stay there.
It sounded as if we fully deserved not to win on Wednesday, but the general point may stand.
I was there and on opportunties created and effots on goal we deserved to win even though we tried to sit on the lead for most of the second half. Brentford were neat and tidy but like most sides in this division, lacked quality in the final third.
It's immensely frustrating the way the game ended but given the amount of change at the club over the last 6 months, throwing another manager under the bus is just going to destabilise the club even more.
Appreciate we are probably less patient than most fans given the awfulness of the last few years, and 12 months in particular, but I think we need to hold our nerve and give the manager time to get the best out of the squad. Clearly, if we are still on a point a game towards the end of the year, then a change is inevitable.
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One thing Newcastle have managed to keep that we haven't is a core of players that presumably know how each other play. Okay, they also got them relegated but at least they've had more or less a year together. Virtually the whole of our team is new - some out of choice, some because we couldn't replace them.
Another, more annoying difference is that Newcastle lost anyone who was any good and play better. When Villa lost their best players they couldn't score six goals in six games, never mind one.
Rafael Benitez is up there with the top 4 or 5 managers in the top division, I think that's the big difference. The money Newcastle got for players who were a disgrace last season, sissoko for example is staggering.
It's not about individual players either, the likes of Clark, Gayle and Ritchie aren't world beaters. We spent as much if not more on higher rated players. But Newcastle are miles a better team as their manager is vastly superior than ours. There isn't a chance Benitez would sent out as unbalanced a side as we did v Brentford.
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Newcastle's 6 nil win came with Gayle ,Diame , Colback , Handley,Atsu and Yedlin on the bench ..they are very strong squad wise ,much stronger than us overall as I think we lack quality in midfield.
They should walk the league with ease , we have had to do a much bigger rebuild and have a manager newer into the role, still things need to improve.Whilst he has had far less time than other recent managers sacked for not performing the flip side is he has spent much more than them.
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If it happens, at least we'll have heard the last of that wretched song.
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Someone on another thread said at the end of their post 'we haven't got the points we deserve' which I thought was about right. Other than Luton and Bristol City, you could arguably say that we've deserved to win every game we've played but naivety, switching off and shoddy defending have cost us. Take away the last minute goals, we'd be up in the play off area's and we're only 5 points off them anyway but people are just seeing that we're 17th and deciding it's a disaster. Huddersfield are top but it doesn't mean they're going to stay there.
It sounded as if we fully deserved not to win on Wednesday, but the general point may stand.
I was there and on opportunties created and effots on goal we deserved to win even though we tried to sit on the lead for most of the second half. Brentford were neat and tidy but like most sides in this division, lacked quality in the final third.
BBC had Brentford beating us 5-3 for shots on target. Listening to the radio a draw sounded fair - Thompson kept saying he feared it was coming from 30 minutes on
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Huddersfield and Brentford fully deservered their point.
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If it happens, at least we'll have heard the last of that wretched song.
Yes - I hate people enjoying their self too
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If it happens, at least we'll have heard the last of that wretched song.
Yes - I hate people enjoying their self too
The last five or six years at Villa Park must have been a real treat for you if that's the case.
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If it happens, at least we'll have heard the last of that wretched song.
Yes - I hate people enjoying their self too
The last five or six years at Villa Park must have been a real treat for you if that's the case.
Of course. My club, my passion. Through the good times and the bad
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Huddersfield and Brentford fully deservered their point.
Absolutely agree, BUT they shouldn't have lived with us, and I'm seeing that as lack of tactics tim,
ok its knee jerk, but Bruce is available and I believe he knows how to get results.
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If it happens, at least we'll have heard the last of that wretched song.
Yes - I hate people enjoying their self too
The last five or six years at Villa Park must have been a real treat for you if that's the case.
It's been nice seeing the opposition fans enjoying themselves though... even if we were all miserable.
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If it happens, at least we'll have heard the last of that wretched song.
We've got a lot of shit songs, my lord
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If it happens, at least we'll have heard the last of that wretched song.
We've got a lot of shit songs, my lord
There's only one Des Little.
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"In recent years we've sacked our last three managers when they've gone into 1 win in 9/10/11 games terrority.
RDM is very close to that now ..."
Two big differences, SoccerHQ:
1.The three previous managers were given a whole lot longer than one month of football to make their mark at the Club.
2.The three previous managers had us losing five, six, seven games in a row.
I know what you mean, but if we're using the shitness of previous managers as a yardstick to rate the current one, we're in trouble.
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Let's not forget we were at premier level so facing world class players every other game.
There is none of this in the championship. We see with our own eyes how poor most of the opposition has been so far.
We should not be scrambling around in the bottom half with one win in seven.
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When is David O'Leary going to get back in the bloody game?
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When is David O'Leary going to get back in the bloody game?
Never.
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We have not been shit enough to justify getting rid of RDM - just not necessarily good enough to be comfortable with him.
But the idea of replacing him now is ridiculous.
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When is David O'Leary going to get back in the bloody game?
Dave O'Leary, sugarbag.
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out of the three names on the short list last time (reportedly) Moyes, Pearson and De Mateo
I never wanted Moyes, but would have gone for Pearson, and he's doing worse at Derby than we are so there you go
what ya gonna do
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Bruce if he can't start the team winning very soon. No compo!
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he's hovering over the trigger
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No to Bruce. Call it intuition or bias, but I just sense that ending in horrible, listless inadequacy.
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Played 8 won 1 18th.
So far from acceptable it is untrue and no consistent evidence we are improving.
I can be doing with any more wasted time, life is too short. get shot now.
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Played 8 won 1 18th.
So far from acceptable it is untrue and no consistent evidence we are improving.
I can be doing with any more wasted time, life is too short. get shot now.
Getting worse with every game.
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Well, we are below Burton Albion......just let that digest...
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Whichever way you spin it...it's just not good enough is it?
1 win in 8 and according to the stats we didn't have a shot on target.
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Sack the ****** now. Sherwood in a mask. An utter fucking charlatan.
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The most annoying thing about the transfer business this summer is that we still didn't sort out the one area that's been the crux of our problems for years now and that's the midfield. Surely the manager could see that Westwood is the main weak link in the team yet he's played every game so far this season. For that reason alone he should be sacked.
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I could sow we'd be doing as badly as we are now if we still had the majority of last season's dismal group of no-hopers. But RDM has spent an absolute fortune, and yet already looks like a broken man.
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Speaking of listless, RDM seems to lack any of the capacity to invigorate the club that we desperately need. There's been no galvanising, no excitement to start from year zero, no making it new. It feels more like managed decline.
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Do it!
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Speaking of listless, RDM seems to lack any of the capacity to invigorate the club that we desperately need. There's been no galvanising, no excitement to start from year zero, no making it new. It feels more like managed decline.
When he was appointed there was a few sources from his spells at Chelsea and WBA to not expect a galvanising figure...more someone who was pretty laid back and liked his fag breaks between training sessions...
Still I thought he'd be capable of a better record than 1 win in 8 even with those flaws.
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I think if RDM was let go, Clarke would just step in.
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Woefully inept management, please get rid before it's too late!
What have we done to deserve this misery?
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I think if RDM was let go, Clarke would just step in.
what exactly does clarke do? or kevin bond for that matter? or anyone at the club employed in a coaching capacity?
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There doesn't appear to be a plan or any sense of urgency and every single game we get battered after the 85 minute.
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I think if RDM was let go, Clarke would just step in.
I think the twitterariat would ensure that Tony wouldn't go for that.
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If he pulls the trigger, I would like us to go for someone already at a club rather than pin our hopes on who is already available. Nothing against Steve Bruce but, with our money, I hope we can do better. If, he pulls the trigger that is.
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Jesus I think I'd actually prefer Sherwood to RDM now! Nurse! Nurse!
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That was utter shite. Worse than Brentford.
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Bruce in early October
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It is a results driven business and the one thing you do not have the luxury of is time.
Last January when the board chose not to back Remi Garde and make a fight of staying in the Premiership I saw a future where we could very easily become the new Leeds. There were three lines of defence to prevent that happening. The first was to fight like bastards not to go down. We capitulated. The second line of defence was to use the end of last season to hit the ground running. Eric Black was more concerned with his nice earner at Southampton and let us blow in the wind. The third line of defence against us doing a Leeds was to spend money on better players and organise them into a winning combination. The third line of defence has failed. Incoming players with the odd exception have been as poor as the players they have replaced.
On what we have seen so far, 9 games including Luton, this set of players under RDM is no better than Remi Garde and his squad. Be fiercely loyal to RDM, that is admirable but don't expect it to do us much good.
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RDM is looking and sounding more and more like Martinez. Talks a fabulous game, comes across as quite erudite, but it is completely hollow.
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When is David O'Leary going to get back in the bloody game?
Seriously? Are you actually suggesting that deeply unpopular twat should come back to the Villa? If your not I apologise in advance.
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When is David O'Leary going to get back in the bloody game?
Seriously? Are you actually suggesting that deeply unpopular twat should come back to the Villa? If your not I apologise in advance.
No, never!
I tell you what though, I'd bet Sherwood would do better with this squad!
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When is David O'Leary going to get back in the bloody game?
Seriously? Are you actually suggesting that deeply unpopular twat should come back to the Villa? If your not I apologise in advance.
No, he wasn't.
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I really feel for Dr Tony. He has reputedly parted with the thick end of 150 million for this garbage. Just hope he keeps faith in the club even if he loses it with RDM.
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When is David O'Leary going to get back in the bloody game?
Seriously? Are you actually suggesting that deeply unpopular twat should come back to the Villa? If your not I apologise in advance.
No, never!
I tell you what though, I'd bet Sherwood would do better with this squad!
Your probably right but no one has seen fit to employ Tim the tinkerman yet have they?
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When is David O'Leary going to get back in the bloody game?
Seriously? Are you actually suggesting that deeply unpopular twat should come back to the Villa? If your not I apologise in advance.
No, he wasn't.
Phew! Thank Fuck for that. You just saved my cat from a kicking! (that was a joke BTW. I don't have a cat)
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Chaps, some perspective please. RDM has had eight games. We can still go up, and we won't go down. If we had, say, 2 points from 8 then I'd be worried. It's a case of holding onto leads, not scrapping everything we've been doing so far. The wins will come with time; be patient and watch the team click.
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There's no evidence for that. You might as well be saying Jesus will return and solve the Middle East crisis.
The objective evidence is that we are getting worse.
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There's no evidence for that. You might as well be saying Jesus will return and solve the Middle East crisis.
The objective evidence is that we are getting worse.
I don't think a professional statistician would call 8 games an adequate sample size. And I definitely don't think he'd call the last two poor performances where we have deteriorated adequate
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I really feel for Dr Tony. He has reputedly parted with the thick end of 150 million for this garbage. Just hope he keeps faith in the club even if he loses it with RDM.
i dont he was the one who appointed him, no-one was twisting his arm
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Get rid, Get that Lars Largerback in the former Iceland manager
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I really feel for Dr Tony. He has reputedly parted with the thick end of 150 million for this garbage. Just hope he keeps faith in the club even if he loses it with RDM.
i dont he was the one who appointed him, no-one was twisting his arm
Agree with this. It looked like they arrived as a team and I don't remember anyone calling for him to be manager.
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There's no evidence for that. You might as well be saying Jesus will return and solve the Middle East crisis.
The objective evidence is that we are getting worse.
Agree - especially when it's been so out in the open that everyone expects/wants us to get back up at first time of asking.
How long do we give to ignore the facts and wait for it to click? I work in sales and if I'm 33% aganst 100% two thirds into a quarter then I'm on the line....
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Beat Newcastle and this furore stops. Let the bloke get a fit 11 out before we sack him. I didn't want him in the first place but I recognise the job is akin to doing a hand brake turn in the QE2. Get Tshibola and Adomah and McCormack fit and we will be ok.
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Newby, with due respect, the best 11 line is bollocks as everyone suffers injuries and almost never get to send out their ''best'' 11. The fact we spent so much money should help us cope with injuries better than the club that spends £500k and has to play youth players in their places or journeymen.
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If RDM was our first manager to get the alarm bells ringing I would agree that patience might bear fruit. But he is not. He follows the flouncing of MON, the medical disaster that was Houllier, the torture of McLeish, the two faced duplicity of Lambert, the narcissism of Sherwood, the feebleness of Garde and the treachery of Black. The fans' fuses are bound to be getting shorter. Mine is. There is no long run in professional football. As Maynard Keynes said, in the long run we are all dead.
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we have to stop hiding behind excuse after excuse. RDM will not be turning this ship around.
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Pretty sure it was Keynes, Brian.
Also I'm starting to agree.
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Brian, we've all seen it all before, many times over, the signs that might take months and months to normally spot we see them straight away now, we are experts in spotting duffers. It's the one thing we've had an abundance of this decade.
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you can go back a lot further than that
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Hypothetically, what happens if Newcastle beat us very comfortably next week? Do you think patience will continue?
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rdm has had zero impact and hasnt even got a clue on how we should line up
fuck me clarke is meant to be a well respected coach but we continue to look like a rag tag bunch of hungover blokes who met half an hour earlier on a pub car park
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Hypothetically, what happens if Newcastle beat us very comfortably next week? Do you think patience will continue?
Why should it? We've outspent the division by an absolute kings ransom and come out of it looking a mid table side at the moment. If the manager can only take an outlay like that and make the sum of it's parts worse than Brentford then how much money would he need to gain promotion? £100m? £200m? It's not realistic. Xia isn't ingrained in this defeatist, settle for anything shit that we've become, accepting crap performances, excusing away wacky formations with the injury bollocks, watching us flap it in the last 10 minutes of EVERY SINGLE FUCKING GAME and just saying it's fitness, we need to be fitter, it's not. We have no shape to the side and no control of matches, this bloke is already close to getting the sack, Xia is no Randy Lerner kind of fool who rewards failure and the status quo, he mentioned before any manager that there would be clauses put in.
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Beat Newcastle and this furore stops. Let the bloke get a fit 11 out before we sack him. I didn't want him in the first place but I recognise the job is akin to doing a hand brake turn in the QE2. Get Tshibola and Adomah and McCormack fit and we will be ok.
this time next year rodney
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This is what gets me, the fact we also have Clarke there too. It's not like RDM is doing it all himself - SC would have been an acceptable choice as manager for me anyway.
We seem to have a sound managerial and back room team in place. Yet nothing really seems to change in terms of being able to win a game of football.
If Dr Tone sacks RDM does he let Clarke take the reigns or does he go for someone like Bruce and overhaul everything?
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Beat Newcastle and this furore stops. Let the bloke get a fit 11 out before we sack him. I didn't want him in the first place but I recognise the job is akin to doing a hand brake turn in the QE2. Get Tshibola and Adomah and McCormack fit and we will be ok.
this time next year rodney
Not sure signing Peter Crouch in time for next season is the answer.
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I'm sure there'd be a line of suitable managers a mile long who'd want to work for an owner that let their predecessor spend £50 million then sacked him three weeks after the window closed.
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Beat Newcastle and this furore stops. Let the bloke get a fit 11 out before we sack him. I didn't want him in the first place but I recognise the job is akin to doing a hand brake turn in the QE2. Get Tshibola and Adomah and McCormack fit and we will be ok.
this time next year rodney
Not sure signing Peter Crouch in time for next season is the answer.
that gary gardner just needs a chance
if baker can last 45 mins without putting his head in a cement mixer
jedinack will give us steel in midfield
elphick is a leader
im getting the jam tomorrow
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Beat Newcastle and this furore stops. Let the bloke get a fit 11 out before we sack him. I didn't want him in the first place but I recognise the job is akin to doing a hand brake turn in the QE2. Get Tshibola and Adomah and McCormack fit and we will be ok.
this time next year rodney
Not sure signing Peter Crouch in time for next season is the answer.
Lovely stuff
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I'm sure there'd be a line of suitable managers a mile long who'd want to work for an owner that let their predecessor spend £50 million then sacked him three weeks after the window closed.
As long as the job came with the usual two or three year contract, of course there would be.
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I'm sure there'd be a line of suitable managers a mile long who'd want to work for an owner that let their predecessor spend £50 million then sacked him three weeks after the window closed.
As long as the job came with the usual two or three year contract, of course there would be.
Yes, they'd be falling over themselves to work under such conditions.
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I'm sure there'd be a line of suitable managers a mile long who'd want to work for an owner that let their predecessor spend £50 million then sacked him three weeks after the window closed.
As long as the job came with the usual two or three year contract, of course there would be.
So we keep paying them out every time it dosen't go right after 8 games?
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Out of interest, can anyone give me an example in the modern era of a club being unable to hire a manager, despite offering lots of money and so on, because the owner isn't trusted not to sack them? I mean, people like Cellino and the madman at Palermo have been known to sack the same manager twice in one season and people still go and work for them.
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His obvious replacement is already working under identical circumstances. Steve Clarke.
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Hypothetically, what happens if Newcastle beat us very comfortably next week? Do you think patience will continue?
In a word. Absolutely not.
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Hypothetically, what happens if Newcastle beat us very comfortably next week? Do you think patience will continue?
In a word. Absolutely not.
That's two words.
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His obvious replacement is already working under identical circumstances. Steve Clarke.
No. Nor to Bruce, nor any other steady-as-she-goes, uninspiring, boring option. The club doesn't need someone whose maximum ambition is solidity - it needs a proper kick up the arse, a fresh start, a sense of purpose.
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Hypothetically, what happens if Newcastle beat us very comfortably next week? Do you think patience will continue?
In a word. Absolutely not.
That's two words.
It was an attempt at Del boy type humour. Seems to be the theme at the moment.
Lovely jubbly my son.
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Has Steve Bruce become this seasons David Moyes
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Out of interest, can anyone give me an example in the modern era of a club being unable to hire a manager, despite offering lots of money and so on, because the owner isn't trusted not to sack them? I mean, people like Cellino and the madman at Palermo have been known to sack the same manager twice in one season and people still go and work for them.
Quite right, it's football and it's bonkers and the money talks, nearly every time.
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If the choice a few months ago was a straight choice between RDM and Bruce, who in their right mind would have really chosen RDM for our new era? Bruce outweighs in credentials (and literally) in every way. RDM was and is an entertaining gamble in the same sense that Sherwood was. Lots on paper for how the future 'could look', yet extremely limited direct results/experience to back it up. Hell Dean Smith outweighs RDM in this basis. RDM is a gamble, we would romp to promotion of fail miserably and at the rate that's likely to happen.
Spud head in
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I had no idea there'd been a nuclear apocalypse which had wiped out every manager on earth but Bruce and RDM.
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I'm sure there'd be a line of suitable managers a mile long who'd want to work for an owner that let their predecessor spend £50 million then sacked him three weeks after the window closed.
As long as the job came with the usual two or three year contract, of course there would be.
So we keep paying them out every time it dosen't go right after 8 games?
You're ignoring the cost of persisting with failing managers, which is far in excess of the cost of paying off a contract in most circumstances.
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3 weeks ago Di Matteo was in a Ford Mondeo after being picked up by Dr Tony...now he should be sacked. It's a good job we are not fickle. Embarrassing from some people on here.
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Just waiting for Pulis to be mentioned now.
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Out of interest, can anyone give me an example in the modern era of a club being unable to hire a manager, despite offering lots of money and so on, because the owner isn't trusted not to sack them? I mean, people like Cellino and the madman at Palermo have been known to sack the same manager twice in one season and people still go and work for them.
Quite right, it's football and it's bonkers and the money talks, nearly every time.
Plus most managers would have a big enough ego to think that with a budget of £50m for players he could get a team motoring in no time.
Just get Rowett in, he'll probably not even claim severance pay if sacked, just ask for a season ticket for life.
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I'm sure there'd be a line of suitable managers a mile long who'd want to work for an owner that let their predecessor spend £50 million then sacked him three weeks after the window closed.
As long as the job came with the usual two or three year contract, of course there would be.
So we keep paying them out every time it dosen't go right after 8 games?
You're ignoring the cost of persisting with failing managers, which is far in excess of the cost of paying off a contract in most circumstances.
I didn't realise 8 games in was a faliure.
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I can live with ground out victories laying the foundations for a top manager when we get back to the top flight. As Graham Taylor said when you are going backwards you have to stand still before you can go forwards. I believe we are going backwards.
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Has Steve Bruce become this seasons David Moyes
Bruce's selling point is his ability to get teams promoted but RDM has two promotions on his CV.
Clarke would be the obvious choice. Not sure why RDM is making such a mess of it but it really is not working at all.
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Has Steve Bruce become this seasons David Moyes
Apparently so. How low have ......
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3 weeks ago Di Matteo was in a Ford Mondeo after being picked up by Dr Tony...now he should be sacked. It's a good job we are not fickle. Embarrassing from some people on here.
How true.
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I can live with ground out victories laying the foundations for a top manager when we get back to the top flight. As Graham Taylor said when you are going backwards you have to stand still before you can go forwards. I believe we are going backwards.
We are roughly on the same amount of points this time in 1987 when he took over.
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First away I have missed today, but from what I have seen so far home and away we are moving forward, the results will come. New team needs gelling. Can't happen overnight. RDM is our man.
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I can live with ground out victories laying the foundations for a top manager when we get back to the top flight. As Graham Taylor said when you are going backwards you have to stand still before you can go forwards. I believe we are going backwards.
We are not loosing week after week any more could be said we are standing still.
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I can live with ground out victories laying the foundations for a top manager when we get back to the top flight. As Graham Taylor said when you are going backwards you have to stand still before you can go forwards. I believe we are going backwards.
We are not loosing week after week any more could be said we are standing still.
So we have now found our level. League 1 next season we would then start winning?
Whats happening is far from acceptable up to now.
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We are playing no better against inferior opposition. I think that is regression. And yes, Graham Taylor did work wonders with us but I have seen nothing this season from RDM to put him in the same class as GT. Joe Mercer did a similarly herculean job. To be absolutely truthful I am past caring what happens next.
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I'm sure there'd be a line of suitable managers a mile long who'd want to work for an owner that let their predecessor spend £50 million then sacked him three weeks after the window closed.
As long as the job came with the usual two or three year contract, of course there would be.
So we keep paying them out every time it dosen't go right after 8 games?
You're ignoring the cost of persisting with failing managers, which is far in excess of the cost of paying off a contract in most circumstances.
I didn't realise 8 games in was a faliure.
It is, unless you think where we are is acceptable.
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We are playing no better against inferior opposition. I think that is regression. And yes, Graham Taylor did work wonders with us but I have seen nothing this season from RDM to put him in the same class as GT. Joe Mercer did a similarly herculean job. To be absolutely truthful I am past caring what happens next.
Except we obviously are. Give me the equivalent of the forest performance, or Rotherham, or Derby, from last season.
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I know eight games is nothing, and one voice in my head tells me sacking him now would be unfair. But then another reminds me we are eighteenth in the championship and look pathologically unable to win games
Regardless of whether he gets the sack or not, what we have seen so far is nowhere near good enough.
Oh and that "fickle" argument is bullshit. Look at the league table. We play awful sides week after week and have only beaten one. Even Newcastle have won a few
I appreciate the arguments against sacking him but to suggest we should not be extremely concerned now is fucking nuts.
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I think we are far more tolerant of managers when we can see what they are trying to achieve. A recognisable, consistent playing style is always nice. RDM's Aston Villa is embryonic but I can't pretend I'm not worried. I thought with our spending power that this would be a short and satisfying interlude in the league below the one we actually belong in. Then I realised we'd actually failed to buy a half decent midfield and so wouldn't be quite that straightforward.
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But our kids and French players straight off the plane put three goals past Forest at their ground, Rotherham are very poor and I don't get the Derby connection.
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I'm sure there'd be a line of suitable managers a mile long who'd want to work for an owner that let their predecessor spend £50 million then sacked him three weeks after the window closed.
As long as the job came with the usual two or three year contract, of course there would be.
So we keep paying them out every time it dosen't go right after 8 games?
You're ignoring the cost of persisting with failing managers, which is far in excess of the cost of paying off a contract in most circumstances.
I didn't realise 8 games in was a faliure.
It is, unless you think where we are is acceptable.
I don't think where we are is a sackable offence.
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I know eight games is nothing, and one voice in my head tells me sacking him now would be unfair. But then another reminds me we are eighteenth in the championship and look pathologically unable to win games
Regardless of whether he gets the sack or not, what we have seen so far is nowhere near good enough.
Oh and that "fickle" argument is bullshit. Look at the league table. We play awful sides week after week and have only beaten one. Even Newcastle have won a few
I appreciate the arguments against sacking him but to suggest we should not be extremely concerned now is fucking nuts.
I think you and the likes of you are talking bullshit but il keep my thoughts to myself and try not to patronise anyone.
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How's he talking shit?
We are looking worse by the game. He's in full on Sherwood mode. Today was our Stoke at home "let's try 352, because I'm fucking clueless and grasping."
We average a point a game, in a shit, shit league. We seem incapable of winning and that's the ingredients for a season of toil, struggle and potentially, relegation.
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ITS 8 GAMES AND WE'VE BASICALLY BOUGHT AN ENTIRE NEW SIDE
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Only Preston, Cardiff and Derby have scored less, that's really poor.
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8 games of relegation form. All this new side nonsense, how come Newcastle bought a factory full yet have managed to put 5 results together back to back, despite actually being weaker? Why are Huddersfield top with two factory loads of new players?
We are utter garbage.
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We are too big to go down. Bollocks!!!
The bigger they are, the harder they fall. True!!!
If you fail to plan you plan to fail, that's for you RDM, True!!!
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I know eight games is nothing, and one voice in my head tells me sacking him now would be unfair. But then another reminds me we are eighteenth in the championship and look pathologically unable to win games
Regardless of whether he gets the sack or not, what we have seen so far is nowhere near good enough.
Oh and that "fickle" argument is bullshit. Look at the league table. We play awful sides week after week and have only beaten one. Even Newcastle have won a few
I appreciate the arguments against sacking him but to suggest we should not be extremely concerned now is fucking nuts.
I think you and the likes of you are talking bullshit but il keep my thoughts to myself and try not to patronise anyone.
Good for you
I'm reacting to someone trotting out the boring "fickle" argument - which is about as patronising as it gets
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4 wins from our last 48 league games.
Is it any wonder some folks are getting worried and don't have a shitload of patience? We're in Division 2 and still don't look capable of winning games on a regular basis. Despite playing at a lower level and having a load of new players all the weaknesses from the last few years still seem to be there, the only difference is the opposition are a lot shitter than in previous seasons.
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It's that waiting for the team to gel like last season thing again isn't it. You can't gel with no game plan.
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I am not bothered about being patronized. I simply find it very frustrating when many of us who base our views on what we see have words like "hysterical" levelled at sincerely held attitudes.
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4 wins from our last 48 league games.
Is it any wonder some folks are getting worried and don't have a shitload of patience? We're in Division 2 and still don't look capable of winning games on a regular basis. Despite playing at a lower level and having a load of new players all the weaknesses from the last few years still seem to be there, the only difference is the opposition are a lot shitter than in previous seasons.
This exactly.
But apparently you're being fickle because someone thought up a new song for the manager.
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How's he talking shit?
We are looking worse by the game. He's in full on Sherwood mode. Today was our Stoke at home "let's try 352, because I'm fucking clueless and grasping."
We average a point a game, in a shit, shit league. We seem incapable of winning and that's the ingredients for a season of toil, struggle and potentially, relegation.
Or perhaps he tried 352 because he is struggling with injuries as many of his new signings are unavailable..The Stoke comparison is pathetic. .Martin O'Neil had 3 or 4 seasons with that team.. Di Matteo has had 8 games.
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How's he talking shit?
We are looking worse by the game. He's in full on Sherwood mode. Today was our Stoke at home "let's try 352, because I'm fucking clueless and grasping."
We average a point a game, in a shit, shit league. We seem incapable of winning and that's the ingredients for a season of toil, struggle and potentially, relegation.
Or perhaps he tried 352 because he is struggling with injuries as many of his new signings are unavailable..The Stoke comparison is pathetic. .Martin O'Neil was in 3/4 season with his team.. Di Matteo has had 8 games.
Stoke last season, Sherwood, tossing out another attempt to buy a win, it was clueless.
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What injuries prevented him from playing 442 or 433?
I'm on about Stoke last year you Wool.
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How's he talking shit?
We are looking worse by the game. He's in full on Sherwood mode. Today was our Stoke at home "let's try 352, because I'm fucking clueless and grasping."
We average a point a game, in a shit, shit league. We seem incapable of winning and that's the ingredients for a season of toil, struggle and potentially, relegation.
Or perhaps he tried 352 because he is struggling with injuries as many of his new signings are unavailable..The Stoke comparison is pathetic. .Martin O'Neil was his 3/4 season with that team.. Di Matteo has had 8 games.
Stoke under Sherwood is what I think he means.
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What injuries prevented him from playing 442 or 433?
I'm on about Stoke last year you Wool.
You can stop that for starters.
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Look at the standard of the opposition, though. This league is choc full of awful sides yet we look every bit as frail as we did last season.
When does it end?
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What injuries prevented him from playing 442 or 433?
I'm on about Stoke last year you Wool.
Apologies for the wrong Stoke game...what injuries?..Are you serious?
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He's from Over the Water, ergo he's a Wool. He'll know what I'm on about, it's hardly offensive.
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What injuries prevented him from playing 442 or 433?
I'm on about Stoke last year you Wool.
Apologies for the wrong Stoke game...what injuries?..Are you serious?
Adomah is on the bench, Bacuna is adequate at full back and he had two left backs in the squad. If he'd have wanted to play 433, he could have.
Any surprise that we play that formation and fail to hit the target?
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What injuries prevented him from playing 442 or 433?
I'm on about Stoke last year you Wool.
Apologies for the wrong Stoke game...what injuries?..Are you serious?
Why did what we had available today mean we had to play 7 defensive minded players? He's shit his pants already.
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I'm not particularly arsed if he stays or goes to be honest. The football and the associated results have been rotten though, and it doesn't look like there's anything as basic as a plan. Sooner or later the excuses are going to have to stop.
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Look at the standard of the opposition, though. This league is choc full of awful sides yet we look every bit as frail as we did last season.
When does it end?
The last sentence is the most depressing bit. It just never ends. We've been on this miserable downward spiral for what seems an eternity. And we've spent a shed load of cash in the process. We are all just so tired and weary of it.
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He's from Over the Water, ergo he's a Wool. He'll know what I'm on about, it's hardly offensive.
I know exactly what it means, you're not the only non Scouser to know what a woolyback is, now pack it in. I won't ask again.
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What injuries prevented him from playing 442 or 433?
I'm on about Stoke last year you Wool.
Apologies for the wrong Stoke game...what injuries?..Are you serious?
Adomah is on the bench, Bacuna is adequate at full back and he had two left backs in the squad. If he'd have wanted to play 433, he could have.
Any surprise that we play that formation and fail to hit the target?
Quite. For the first time, he plays a formation and personnel with attacking wing backs that might have got the best out of Gestede, so he leaves him on the bench.
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What injuries prevented him from playing 442 or 433?
I'm on about Stoke last year you Wool.
Apologies for the wrong Stoke game...what injuries?..Are you serious?
Adomah is on the bench, Bacuna is adequate at full back and he had two left backs in the squad. If he'd have wanted to play 433, he could have.
Any surprise that we play that formation and fail to hit the target?
Quite. For the first time, he plays a formation and personnel with attacking wing backs that might have got the best out of Gestede, so he leaves him on the bench.
Gestede wasn't available today was he?
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Is this the same gestede who was injured and not on the bench?
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Hamstring injury a doubt for the next match too.
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Gestede was left grazing somewhere back in Brum.
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I once called a very senior poster on here a Scalyback and I think I got away with it. It is what squaddies call somebody in the Royal Signals.
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What injuries prevented him from playing 442 or 433?
I'm on about Stoke last year you Wool.
You can stop that for starters.
It's fine PWS..I'm just glad he doesn't know where I'm originally from.Look results are not great but if we keep sacking managers we are never going to get anywhere. This club is crying out for stability..and a bit of patience from the club's fans.
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I thought he meant wool jersey, Mersey.
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What injuries prevented him from playing 442 or 433?
I'm on about Stoke last year you Wool.
You can stop that for starters.
It's fine PWS..I'm just glad he doesn't know where I'm originally from.Look results are not great but if we keep sacking managers we are never going to get anywhere. This club is crying out for stability..and a bit of patience from the club's fans.
The trouble is, stability only works if you've got the right man. And you don't know that until it's too late.
Lambert was given way more chances than most in the name of stability and where did that get us. Stability in itself is not necessarily a good thing.
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4 wins from our last 48 league games.
Is it any wonder some folks are getting worried and don't have a shitload of patience? We're in Division 2 and still don't look capable of winning games on a regular basis. Despite playing at a lower level and having a load of new players all the weaknesses from the last few years still seem to be there, the only difference is the opposition are a lot shitter than in previous seasons.
This exactly.
But apparently you're being fickle because someone thought up a new song for the manager.
Excuse me..It was you who labelled me as talking bullshit. I think the 'fickle' tag, in my opinion, is just as reasonable.
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Despite having spent more on attackers than anyone ever has before in this division we've had 3 shots on target in total the last 2 games and only 3 sides have scored less than us this season.
Although amusingly one of those is 2 goal Derby with the managerial genius of Nigel Pearson.
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Another quote for you, this one from Denis Healey on the subject of stability. He said "the ultimate stability is the stability of the graveyard".
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He's from Over the Water, ergo he's a Wool. He'll know what I'm on about, it's hardly offensive.
Ads you must have been called a wool yourself ha ha living in Newton. Am made up I didn't go now today. I woke up with a right strop wishing I was on my way.
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What injuries prevented him from playing 442 or 433?
I'm on about Stoke last year you Wool.
You can stop that for starters.
It's fine PWS..I'm just glad he doesn't know where I'm originally from.Look results are not great but if we keep sacking managers we are never going to get anywhere. This club is crying out for stability..and a bit of patience from the club's fans.
Precisely. That's why I argued we needed to give Lambert at least another two or three seasons to work his magic.
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What injuries prevented him from playing 442 or 433?
I'm on about Stoke last year you Wool.
You can stop that for starters.
It's fine PWS..I'm just glad he doesn't know where I'm originally from.Look results are not great but if we keep sacking managers we are never going to get anywhere. This club is crying out for stability..and a bit of patience from the club's fans.
The trouble is, stability only works if you've got the right man. And you don't know that until it's too late.
Lambert was given way more chances than most in the name of stability and where did that get us. Stability in itself is not necessarily a good thing.
Oops, sorry Adam. Missed that.
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Nice place Newton. Got an apple named after it. Newton Wonder.
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Nice place Newton. Got an apple named after it. Newton Wonder.
Wonders a nice place too, got a crisp named after it.
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Very popular with walkers.
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He's from Over the Water, ergo he's a Wool. He'll know what I'm on about, it's hardly offensive.
Ads you must have been called a wool yourself ha ha living in Newton. Am made up I didn't go now today. I woke up with a right strop wishing I was on my way.
I get called it by one of the blokes on my team everyday. He's from Bootle. Poacher turned game keeper. It's a bizarre insult and I always laugh as I don't understand how it's considered a pejorative.
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He's from Over the Water, ergo he's a Wool. He'll know what I'm on about, it's hardly offensive.
Ads you must have been called a wool yourself ha ha living in Newton. Am made up I didn't go now today. I woke up with a right strop wishing I was on my way.
I get called it by one of the blokes on my team everyday. He's from Bootle. Poacher turned game keeper. It's a bizarre insult and I always laugh as I don't understand how it's considered a pejorative.
Newton as in Newton-le-Willows?
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Aye. At least until December.
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What injuries prevented him from playing 442 or 433?
I'm on about Stoke last year you Wool.
You can stop that for starters.
It's fine PWS..I'm just glad he doesn't know where I'm originally from.Look results are not great but if we keep sacking managers we are never going to get anywhere. This club is crying out for stability..and a bit of patience from the club's fans.
Precisely. That's why I argued we needed to give Lambert at least another two or three seasons to work his magic.
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Yes of course..8 games and 2 defeats is definitely comparable to 3 seasons and a semi final exit to a 4th division side.
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Nice place Newton. Got an apple named after it. Newton Wonder.
Wonders a nice place too, got a crisp named after it.
Much like the village of Twiglets, although I can't for the life of me remember what their claim-to-fame was.
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Very popular with walkers.
As in the crisp manufacturers? Crivens!
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I think Tony was taken by rdm winning the European Cup personally. My mate said he's shit tactically but because he's a bitter bird I ignored him but looks like he was right
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What injuries prevented him from playing 442 or 433?
I'm on about Stoke last year you Wool.
You can stop that for starters.
It's fine PWS..I'm just glad he doesn't know where I'm originally from.Look results are not great but if we keep sacking managers we are never going to get anywhere. This club is crying out for stability..and a bit of patience from the club's fans.
Precisely. That's why I argued we needed to give Lambert at least another two or three seasons to work his magic.
Yes of course..8 games and 2 defeats is definitely comparable to 3 seasons and a semi final exit to a 4th division side.
It's an exaggerated point used to counter your argument that our club is crying out for stability when in actual fact we need competence.
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I was talking to an Albion fan today about RDM. His remembered their team taking to the pitch with 6 forwards. Midfielders playing as fullbacks and fullbacks playing in midfield. Even during their promotion season a clean sheet was a rarity. He described a totally clueless manager who clearly still is totally clueless.
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I was talking to an Albion fan today about RDM. His remembered their team taking to the pitch with 6 forwards. Midfielders playing as fullbacks and fullbacks playing in midfield. Even during their promotion season a clean sheet was a rarity. He described a totally clueless manager who clearly still is totally clueless.
Thing is was he saying that during the season they were promoted with him in charge? RDM hasn't exactly delivered and needs to be held accountable especially in regards to finishing games off. But we also should have won games at a canter using his tactics early in games. That we haven't scored a shed load more goals isn't entirely his fault.
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OK im going to say it.
Pull the trigger now before its too late!
Havent got a clue who can sort this shit out though.
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OK im going to say it.
Pull the trigger now before its too late!
Havent got a clue who can sort this shit out though.
Steve Bruce!!
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OK im going to say it.
Pull the trigger now before its too late!
Havent got a clue who can sort this shit out though.
Sorry but this is unbelievable - The club was in a mess before the start of this season, Villa got RDM in late on in relative terms. A lot to sort out - started the pre-season with a completely different squad to what is now showing. I wouldn't feed the likes of Hutton or Clarke to be honest. Complete new working practice, new squad to bed in - we should have won at Sheff Wed, should have seen Huddersfield and Brentford off, even Bristol City the better team by a country mile for 60 minutes.
Things are improving on the pitch, the points will come. Whats your solution Bruce who also relegated the bloose, Pearson who isn't picking up trees right now, McClaren perhaps- McDermott is out of work and Mobray will be soon as perhaps Pullis might also be contactable.
RDM deserves at least the season. We are Villa for goodness sake not Leeds United.
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OK im going to say it.
Pull the trigger now before its too late!
Havent got a clue who can sort this shit out though.
Sorry but this is unbelievable - The club was in a mess before the start of this season, Villa got RDM in late on in relative terms. A lot to sort out - started the pre-season with a completely different squad to what is now showing. I wouldn't feed the likes of Hutton or Clarke to be honest. Complete new working practice, new squad to bed in - we should have won at Sheff Wed, should have seen Huddersfield and Brentford off, even Bristol City the better team by a country mile for 60 minutes.
Things are improving on the pitch, the points will come. Whats your solution Bruce who also relegated the bloose, Pearson who isn't picking up trees right now, McClaren perhaps- McDermott is out of work and Mobray will be soon as perhaps Pullis might also be contactable.
RDM deserves at least the season. We are Villa for goodness sake not Leeds United.
should of, would of, could of, if, if, if, RDM doesn't know what to do.
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I was talking to an Albion fan today about RDM. His remembered their team taking to the pitch with 6 forwards. Midfielders playing as fullbacks and fullbacks playing in midfield. Even during their promotion season a clean sheet was a rarity. He described a totally clueless manager who clearly still is totally clueless.
That's what my mate was saying. Said winning 4-3 5-4 having said that I'd take it.
I don't like Bruce either but you can't argue with his pedigree of getting teams up. How long do we give RDM?
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They only conceded 48 so someone is exaggerating. W26 D13 L7 F89 A48 GD+41 Pts 91. And they really complained about that?
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They only conceded 48 so someone is exaggerating. W26 D13 L7 F89 A48 GD+41 Pts 91. And they really complained about that?
Precisely. As I recall they had a great season. I think it's fine to criticize him for this season so far but it's entirely inaccurate to suggest he wasn't successful with Albion in their promotion season.
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They only conceded 48 so someone is exaggerating. W26 D13 L7 F89 A48 GD+41 Pts 91. And they really complained about that?
Albion? Moaning fuckers
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I was talking to an Albion fan today about RDM. His remembered their team taking to the pitch with 6 forwards. Midfielders playing as fullbacks and fullbacks playing in midfield. Even during their promotion season a clean sheet was a rarity. He described a totally clueless manager who clearly still is totally clueless.
I meet a lot of Stripeys at the cricket, where I spend most of the summer months these last few years, and they say the same the thing. He is a maverick, which can be exciting, but it can be a bumpy ride. Dr. Tony seems to be a maverick as well, so the appointment came as no surprise to me.
I never thought for single moment that we would go up this year, but I believe the team will click at some point this season and put together a convincing run which will provide the platform for promotion next year. This is pretty much what RDM said in early interviews.
The immediate problem is that RDM thought the new central defense could cope without extensive midfield cover, and they can't, so he has gone defensive minded. This is why so may fans were pissed off and Wednesday, because we have seen this all before and memory muscles were activated.
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They only conceded 48 so someone is exaggerating. W26 D13 L7 F89 A48 GD+41 Pts 91. And they really complained about that?
Precisely. As I recall they had a great season. I think it's fine to criticize him for this season so far but it's entirely inaccurate to suggest he wasn't successful with Albion in their promotion season.
So its our shit team and set up then!
It has to stop.
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Imagine winning 26 league games and it not taking 4 years to do so!
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Imagine winning 26 league games and it not taking 4 years to do so!
Have we managed it?
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Imagine winning 26 league games and it not taking 4 years to do so!
Have we managed it?
Yes. We've won more than 26 over the previous 4 seasons, not many more though!
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Really, change the manager. Next one will be crap, change him? Have we become Leeds??
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Nope, they've won 3 games so we're nothing like them.
/baddumtish
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Some posters seem to think this is just a blip in our proud and illustrious past but I am I seriously concerned we are a Forest, Leeds, etc etc etc waiting to happen,
Who sorts it, I don't know, but it needs to happen quick.
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Some posters seem to think this is just a blip in our proud and illustrious past but I am I seriously concerned we are a Forest, Leeds, etc etc etc waiting to happen,
Who sorts it, I don't know, but it needs to happen quick.
Many posters thought there was slim chance we would bounce straight back up, so it is certainly not a blip given that we will have to work hard to consolidate once we do get back up.
Dr. Tony's tweets have not helped in this respect, but I don't think "We are consolidating this season to stop stinking ship from sinking to bottom of Ocean after desertion of rats with relegation clauses, but we shall be seaworthy next year after get DCM and ACM."
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Imagine winning 26 league games and it not taking 4 years to do so!
Have we managed it?
1980-81: P 42 W 26 D 8 L 8 F 72 A 40 Pts 60 - I think we won the league that season ;)
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Imagine winning 26 league games and it not taking 4 years to do so!
Have we managed it?
1980-81: P 42 W 26 D 8 L 8 F 72 A 40 Pts 60 - I think we won the league that season ;)
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A double for that man
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I never thought for single moment that we would go up this year, but I believe the team will click at some point this season and put together a convincing run which will provide the platform for promotion next year. This is pretty much what RDM said in early interviews.
Many would have had sympathy with that point of view at the start of the summer.
But we kept most of our better players and spent the guts of £50 million. No side does that just to tread water in the Championship.
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Another quote for you, this one from Denis Healey on the subject of stability. He said "the ultimate stability is the stability of the graveyard".
Do you think he was referring to a football manager who had lost twice in 8 games...one due to catastrophic goal keeping error which no manager can legislate for.
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4 wins from our last 48 league games.
Is it any wonder some folks are getting worried and don't have a shitload of patience? We're in Division 2 and still don't look capable of winning games on a regular basis. Despite playing at a lower level and having a load of new players all the weaknesses from the last few years still seem to be there, the only difference is the opposition are a lot shitter than in previous seasons.
This exactly.
But apparently you're being fickle because someone thought up a new song for the manager.
Excuse me..It was you who labelled me as talking bullshit. I think the 'fickle' tag, in my opinion, is just as reasonable.
You called people fickle because not long ago they were singing a song about Xia and the manager and now they're not happy, then go on to accuse people of being patronising?
Can you not see the irony in that?
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The Blose game at the end of October is a good yardstick as to where we are. If we're still bumbling around then there's a decision to make. Not yet though.
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4 wins from our last 48 league games.
Is it any wonder some folks are getting worried and don't have a shitload of patience? We're in Division 2 and still don't look capable of winning games on a regular basis. Despite playing at a lower level and having a load of new players all the weaknesses from the last few years still seem to be there, the only difference is the opposition are a lot shitter than in previous seasons.
This exactly.
But apparently you're being fickle because someone thought up a new song for the manager.
Excuse me..It was you who labelled me as talking bullshit. I think the 'fickle' tag, in my opinion, is just as reasonable.
You called people fickle because not long ago they were singing a song about Xia and the manager and now they're not happy, then go on to accuse people of being patronising?
Can you not see the irony in that?
Not really no...saying someone is talking bullshit because they offer a different opinion I find offensive..but I wouldn't expect you to see that either
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It's too early to pull the trigger even though the start gas been disappointing. We aren't far off from irking up a few wins and eith a bit of luck and momentum we should make the play offs. If by season end we haven't improved, that's the time to take stock and make a decision.
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Exiled in the wirral for purposes of clarity, Denis Healey was actually referring to the British economy when he said the ultimate stability is the stability of the graveyard. It applies perfectly to the situation at Aston Villa. If you focus exclusively on keeping still, not making any plan for progress everything inevitably stalls. You can believe whatever you like including the deprecation of respected posters like pauliewalnuts but to any reasonable observer our playing record in the second division shows no vestige whatsoever of any kind of plan for survival let alone promotion. It is the stability Lambert promised Lerner, mid table mediocrity underpinned by the diminution of supporters' expectations. And that was in a division higher.
I have said this many times over the last six years but I will say it again. You get the team you are prepared to accept. Go easy on them, make excuses for them, give them every consideration regardless of whether they deserve it or not, turn a blind eye to how they conduct themselves, their lifestyles, their characters and their self respect and you get a team that wins 4 games in 48 and trumpets a home win against Rotherham as a glorious page in the history of the club.
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Get Rowett in!
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Sacking him would be pretty daft I think. Who on earth do you think will come in who's better?
He's got to have at least til Xmas.
You can't sack someone after a handful of games.
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Sacking him would be pretty daft I think. Who on earth do you think will come in who's better?
He's got to have at least til Xmas.
You can't sack someone after a handful of games.
No you're right and we shouldn't. The internet brings out the impaitence in some fans though.
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A decent away point against one of the battle hardened dinosaurs of the Championship?
No change for me yet. Blues might be riding off into the distance at the moment and I think that's unsettling a few but this is a mad, mad, mad, mad league. Wolves' last 2 games proves that.
Dr T might pull the trigger but aren't we turning into Leeds United if we do it now?
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The internet also brings out the patience of others and provides the opportunity to the impatient to suggest that patience might well be counter productive. I shall go out to feed my poultry in a minute. I could well be advised to be patient before hoping to collect any eggs. On the other hand I could acknowledge that they are all cockerels.
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I'd take stock after 20 or so games, there are some worrying signs that he hasn't got a way he wants to play and results haven't been anywhere near good enough. He's on notice.
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The internet also brings out the patience of others and provides the opportunity to the impatient to suggest that patience might well be counter productive. I shall go out to feed my poultry in a minute. I could well be advised to be patient before hoping to collect any eggs. On the other hand I could acknowledge that they are all cockerels.
Ah monsieur Cantona where have you been?
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Is there actually any evidence away from fans' forums and social media that his position is at any risk within the club?
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I think you are right PW. He is on notice. He and Steve Clarke and Kevin Bond need to be told, personally by the owner that the performances this season are massively unacceptable. For good measure they should be told that another spending spree in January would not be acceptable as an alternative to making the existing squad deliver.
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Sacking him would be pretty daft I think. Who on earth do you think will come in who's better?
He's got to have at least til Xmas.
You can't sack someone after a handful of games.
No you're right and we shouldn't. The internet brings out the impaitence in some fans though.
Patronising nonsense. It isn't the 'internet' making people impatient, it's the fact that we haven't won an away game in over a year and so far this season nothing much seems to have changed. It wasn't people on the internet booing against Brentford.
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Internet does nothing more than how fans react in the ground during the match and after the match. This forum exactly reflects the rumblings or otherwise I pick up at Villa Park.
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As bad as things are at the moment I just don't see how anyone can say he's been given a fair chance if he's given the boot after 8 games. Graham Taylor wouldn't have still been our manager in 89/90 if some people on here were making the decisions.
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It's worrying that RDM is now seemingly in full on Sherwood mode already...Failing to shore up the midfield against Forest and leaving Westwood (Westwood!) on his own...Shoving Kodija (who'd just completely re-invigorated our forward play) out wide in favour of The Walking Dead...And now reaching for the 532, always a desperate move.
But at least we have stopped losing every single game we play, so there had been some kind of progress. He does need to start showing he can win some games fairly soon though.
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drawing every game in this league isn't progress though after spending the money we have - a spanking against the Toon and Robbie's toast.
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Of course we should be doing better, and we would be if we hadn't thrown away so many points from conceding late goals. But once a losing mentality takes its grip, it can be difficult to shift, regardless of the division. But if we lose to Birmingham, I'd happily decapitate him myself.
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Internet does nothing more than how fans react in the ground during the match and after the match. This forum exactly reflects the rumblings or otherwise I pick up at Villa Park.
Let's take yesterday. 10 minutes into the game, someone posts on here 'I wonder what Tony's thoughts are on this' and that was just 10 minutes into the game. Like someone said above, if the internet had been around in 1987, people would have been wanting Sir Graham out after a similar start. 2 years later, he nearly won us the title. I do think a bit more patience is needed, especially after what an absolute mess we were last season.
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Sadly we arnt improving any,
in fact we played better in the two games we have lost this season than the last two draws
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Why have so many people lowered their standards? We were going to romp the league a couple of weeks ago, now we need to "gel" and consolidate. Next thing we'll be glad to stay in this division. Not acceptable to me, RDM knew his brief before he took over - to get promotion, not to spend a season down here to sort things out. And unless he wins the next 7 games we can stop the silly comparisons with Graham Taylor. I Would imagine that Xia will be even less patient. Newcastle, Blues and Wolves coming up soon- pressure's on.
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The very things the Manager was brought in to do, like organisation, tactics and motivation, he's failed on all of them. Pull that trigger and call for Bruce.
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Like someone said above, if the internet had been around in 1987, people would have been wanting Sir Graham out after a similar start. 2 years later, he nearly won us the title. I do think a bit more patience is needed, especially after what an absolute mess we were last season.
Maybe. So you're guaranteeing that RDM's career path is going to take the same trajectory as Taylor's? If it doesn't, at which point do you stop insulting fellow posters for holding a different opinion to you?
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Internet does nothing more than how fans react in the ground during the match and after the match. This forum exactly reflects the rumblings or otherwise I pick up at Villa Park.
Let's take yesterday. 10 minutes into the game, someone posts on here 'I wonder what Tony's thoughts are on this' and that was just 10 minutes into the game. Like someone said above, if the internet had been around in 1987, people would have been wanting Sir Graham out after a similar start...
I don't think that's quite right.
Graham Taylor had shown himself to be one of the best managers in the First Division. Him coming to Villa at that time was an enormous coup for the club. He was a popular appointment, and that always buys time with the fanbase - see Lambert.
He also didn't have the luxury of completely rebuilding the side in one summer with the type of financial backing Di Matteo has enjoyed.
Di Matteo could field virtually a full XI of his signings. Taylor's sides in that opening run of 87/88 were made up of most of the mentally scarred rag tag band who had dragged us down to the Second Division in the first place.
Under normal circumstances, I would say it is perfectly reasonable to say a side that has had so much money spent on it needs time to gel. But our issues this season aren't (for the most part) personnel based. It's fundamental tactical naivety/stupidity from the manager. And that -as we have witnessed all to often- doesn't tend to improve with time.
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And there is the small matter of RDM being paid £3 million a year to do Sherwood impersonations.
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It's utterly bizarre that a player who has played in midfield for the Azzuri over a long period of time could field the sort of tactically bereft sides we have seen so far.
Surely even by osmosis he would have picked up something during that time.
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Osmosis is a very slow process. I would like to see the owner put a £50 million rocket up his trouser leg.
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Like someone said above, if the internet had been around in 1987, people would have been wanting Sir Graham out after a similar start. 2 years later, he nearly won us the title. I do think a bit more patience is needed, especially after what an absolute mess we were last season.
Maybe. So you're guaranteeing that RDM's career path is going to take the same trajectory as Taylor's? If it doesn't, at which point do you stop insulting fellow posters for holding a different opinion to you?
I'm not guaranteeing anything. No-one knew how successful Graham was going to be and that's my point. And I haven't insulted anybody, i'm just disagreeing with some people's posts, like you are with mine. That's the way it works.
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Results will dictate his future, as they should, but for all these saying give him time, when you have a fire in the corner of the room, how big do you let it become before you call the fire brigade, we have a recent record of allowing the walls and ceiling to catch fire, before we set off the alarm.
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I think there is a danger of over analysing making us see things that are not there. A combination of injuries, late signings and a general getting to know each other period coupled with a large dollop of bad luck (hitting the woodwork and bizarre goals conceded from keepers kicks) has put us in a worse position than our efforts have deserved. This has consequently transferred to an understandably jittery set of fans. Getting rid now would just add to the sense of panic and ratchet up the pressure on the squad further when what they need is a period of stability while they turn themselves from a recently assembled bunch of individuals into a coherent team.
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Results will dictate his future, as they should, but for all these saying give him time, when you have a fire in the corner of the room, how big do you let it become before you call the fire brigade, we have a recent record of allowing the walls and ceiling to catch fire, before we set off the alarm.
In fairness, we sacked two managers last season when it wasn't working. The only one we gave too much time to was Lambert who should have gone way before he did. I'm not sure 8 games is a fair crack of the whip.
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It is too early to get rid of him. We have to go through a bad run of form at some point even if we're winning the title - the hope is it just happens to have come at the beginning of the season by coincidence/circumstance.
Nonetheless, I find myself calming down in the days following each match, thinking 'oh it's not all that bad, there's this and that and the other, it'll get better' - then matchday rolls round again and I'm reminded why I was so pissed off in the first place. It's a really really bad run.
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Sacking him would be pretty daft I think. Who on earth do you think will come in who's better?
He's got to have at least til Xmas.
You can't sack someone after a handful of games.
No you're right and we shouldn't. The internet brings out the impaitence in some fans though.
What does the internet have to do with winning 4 in 48? Obvious selection errors, formation errors, playing people out of position and being around the bottom of the championship? We've also won 3 away games in 2 years. It's nothing to do with the internet stop being patronising.
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Sacking him would be pretty daft I think. Who on earth do you think will come in who's better?
He's got to have at least til Xmas.
You can't sack someone after a handful of games.
No you're right and we shouldn't. The internet brings out the impaitence in some fans though.
What does the internet have to do with winning 4 in 48? Obvious selection errors, formation errors, playing people out of position and being around the bottom of the championship? We've also won 3 away games in 2 years. It's nothing to do with the internet stop being patronising.
I think it's a valid point and I don't think it's patronising. People were moaning before a ball had been kicked yesterday. Its not just on here, you only have to read some on the stuff Dr Tony gets tweeted to him and he's only been here 5 minutes.
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you can colour it anyway you like - fact is he has to start leading soon and winning matches, otherwise he's history. I don't give a shiny shite about hitting woodwork, injuries, time to gel ; all that shit is the same for every team in the league and with one exception, none of them have spend what we have. Newcastle have gone through as much upheaval as we have and look where they are in the table compared to us. No more excuses. Win, end of.
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I do thing
Internet does nothing more than how fans react in the ground during the match and after the match. This forum exactly reflects the rumblings or otherwise I pick up at Villa Park.
Let's take yesterday. 10 minutes into the game, someone posts on here 'I wonder what Tony's thoughts are on this' and that was just 10 minutes into the game. Like someone said above, if the internet had been around in 1987, people would have been wanting Sir Graham out after a similar start...
I don't think that's quite right.
Graham Taylor had shown himself to be one of the best managers in the First Division. Him coming to Villa at that time was an enormous coup for the club. He was a popular appointment, and that always buys time with the fanbase - see Lambert.
He also didn't have the luxury of completely rebuilding the side in one summer with the type of financial backing Di Matteo has enjoyed.
Di Matteo could field virtually a full XI of his signings. Taylor's sides in that opening run of 87/88 were made up of most of the mentally scarred rag tag band who had dragged us down to the Second Division in the first place.
Under normal circumstances, I would say it is perfectly reasonable to say a side that has had so much money spent on it needs time to gel. But our issues this season aren't (for the most part) personnel based. It's fundamental tactical naivety/stupidity from the manager. And that -as we have witnessed all to often- doesn't tend to improve with time.
I really dont think its fair to compare RDM to Taylor , GT wasn't spending vast summers greater than anyone else in league.
My issue isn't just the results /performances its that to me alot of it is down to poor purchasing the way I see it now unless Tshibola can 1) stay fit 2) live up to the hype from his very limited championship experience we are going to continue to struggle as the midfield simply isnt good enough and has no variation.
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Results will dictate his future, as they should, but for all these saying give him time, when you have a fire in the corner of the room, how big do you let it become before you call the fire brigade, we have a recent record of allowing the walls and ceiling to catch fire, before we set off the alarm.
On the basis of that analogy you'd fire the manager after every defeat on the basis that every fire starts with a spark.
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pulling the plug when we're only half into September would be madness. He inherited a squad that was rock bottom in morale and would easily have gotten relegated in this division left as it was. Repairing 5+ years of mismanagement on and off the pitch is not going to be completed in 2 months however much money you throw at it - if the likes of Man U can't buy a winning team then we certainly can't. Will wait to mid-November and if things are going in the right direction, then i'll be happy enough even if we are 15 points off a play-off place
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If we are 15 pts off a play off place in November we will be touch and go for bottom of the league, how can we be going in the right direction?
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pulling the plug when we're only half into September would be madness. He inherited a squad that was rock bottom in morale and would easily have gotten relegated in this division left as it was. Repairing 5+ years of mismanagement on and off the pitch is not going to be completed in 2 months however much money you throw at it - if the likes of Man U can't buy a winning team then we certainly can't. Will wait to mid-November and if things are going in the right direction, then i'll be happy enough even if we are 15 points off a play-off place
15 points would be too much to be honest but if we're around the play offs going into January, then i'd be happy with that.
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Is it any wonder so many fans are trigger happy after what we've had to go through over the last 6 years. When it comes to patience (something that's called for regularly on here) Villa fans are up there with the best of them.
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I think there is a danger of over analysing making us see things that are not there. A combination of injuries, late signings and a general getting to know each other period coupled with a large dollop of bad luck (hitting the woodwork and bizarre goals conceded from keepers kicks) has put us in a worse position than our efforts have deserved. This has consequently transferred to an understandably jittery set of fans. Getting rid now would just add to the sense of panic and ratchet up the pressure on the squad further when what they need is a period of stability while they turn themselves from a recently assembled bunch of individuals into a coherent team.
Totally agree mate.
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the clamour for Bruce gets on my nerves,
as if he's some guaranteed miracle worker, he's a journey man manager that's had some promotions and a few relegations,
like a miriad of other managers, Holloway and Warnock both good at getting teams out of this division and that's the company Bruce belongs in
if we do make a change we need a manager who looks like he wants the challenge, where he wants to rebuild Villa and recognises the total commitment to the job, not just another payroll notch on the managerial cv, which I feel it is for the likes of Bruce and RDM and loads of others if I'm honest,
I know we look back at the SGT first time and dream the same this time but that's what we need, someone who is up to the job to sort this shit out
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Well bloody said John.
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If we are 15 pts off a play off place in November we will be touch and go for bottom of the league, how can we be going in the right direction?
I've seen enough to know we've got no chance of going down. My expectations this season were never much above stopping the rot personally. I believe once the players have settled then we will get a better idea of where we are by mid-November. If we're bottom of the league by November then aye maybe its not working out, but if we're lower mid-tablish and the result are picking up i'll be happy. Even if we got the same points in the next 8 games we wouldn't be in the relegation area by mid-november
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the clamour for Bruce gets on my nerves,
as if he's some guaranteed miracle worker, he's a journey man manager that's had some promotions and a few relegations,
like a miriad of other managers, Holloway and Warnock both good at getting teams out of this division and that's the company Bruce belongs in
if we do make a change we need a manager who looks like he wants the challenge, where he wants to rebuild Villa and recognises the total commitment to the job, not just another payroll notch on the managerial cv, which I feel it is for the likes of Bruce and RDM and loads of others if I'm honest,
I know we look back at the SGT first time and dream the same this time but that's what we need, someone who is up to the job to sort this shit out
Which is why I envy Liverpool so much with Klopp. A terrific manager who you can tell really 'gets them'. How we've wished for someone like that amid the crushing 'honest bunch of lads', 'we go again' style senseless soundbites we've put up with over our decline.
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Is it any wonder so many fans are trigger happy after what we've had to go through over the last 6 years. When it comes to patience (something that's called for regularly on here) Villa fans are up there with the best of them.
It's true that our patience is thin and fans are feeling trigger happy and have every right to feel that way. But the club have to get it right. A sacking after 8 games would be ludicrous and very dangerous for the stability of our club. We have got to hold our collective nerve. This is no time to panic.Knee jerk reactions right now is exactly what the club does not need.
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Is it any wonder so many fans are trigger happy after what we've had to go through over the last 6 years. When it comes to patience (something that's called for regularly on here) Villa fans are up there with the best of them.
It's true that our patience is thin and fans are feeling trigger happy and have every right to feel that way. But the club have to get it right. A sacking after 8 games would be ludicrous and very dangerous for the stability of our club. We have got to hold our collective nerve. This is no time to panic.Knee jerk reactions right now is exactly what the club does not need.
You say the club have to get it right but why does that have to mean keeping the current manager? What if getting it right means admitting we have the wrong man in charge and quickly rectifying the situation? Why is that panicking?
Anyway, it's all down to Xia and I reckon he'll be looking at replacements already, whatever we think.
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Changing the manager doesn't always work though as we found out last season. I'd be very surprised if Dr Tony is looking at other managers, very surprised.
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Is it any wonder so many fans are trigger happy after what we've had to go through over the last 6 years. When it comes to patience (something that's called for regularly on here) Villa fans are up there with the best of them.
It's true that our patience is thin and fans are feeling trigger happy and have every right to feel that way. But the club have to get it right. A sacking after 8 games would be ludicrous and very dangerous for the stability of our club. We have got to hold our collective nerve. This is no time to panic.Knee jerk reactions right now is exactly what the club does not need.
You say the club have to get it right but why does that have to mean keeping the current manager? What if getting it right means admitting we have the wrong man in charge and quickly rectifying the situation? Why is that panicking?
Anyway, it's all down to Xia and I reckon he'll be looking at replacements already, whatever we think.
It might not mean keeping the manager. We need calm heads to make the right call for our club. It's the club that has to get it right. That's what I'm saying. This is about the fate of Aston Villa football club. Doing the wrong thing now would be disastrous.
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Is it any wonder so many fans are trigger happy after what we've had to go through over the last 6 years. When it comes to patience (something that's called for regularly on here) Villa fans are up there with the best of them.
It's true that our patience is thin and fans are feeling trigger happy and have every right to feel that way. But the club have to get it right. A sacking after 8 games would be ludicrous and very dangerous for the stability of our club. We have got to hold our collective nerve. This is no time to panic.Knee jerk reactions right now is exactly what the club does not need.
You say the club have to get it right but why does that have to mean keeping the current manager? What if getting it right means admitting we have the wrong man in charge and quickly rectifying the situation? Why is that panicking?
Anyway, it's all down to Xia and I reckon he'll be looking at replacements already, whatever we think.
totally agree
failing to win one of the next two gives us one win in ten which is sacking territory and after spending 50 odd million
rdm is on thin ice
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Is it any wonder so many fans are trigger happy after what we've had to go through over the last 6 years. When it comes to patience (something that's called for regularly on here) Villa fans are up there with the best of them.
It's true that our patience is thin and fans are feeling trigger happy and have every right to feel that way. But the club have to get it right. A sacking after 8 games would be ludicrous and very dangerous for the stability of our club. We have got to hold our collective nerve. This is no time to panic.Knee jerk reactions right now is exactly what the club does not need.
You say the club have to get it right but why does that have to mean keeping the current manager? What if getting it right means admitting we have the wrong man in charge and quickly rectifying the situation? Why is that panicking?
Anyway, it's all down to Xia and I reckon he'll be looking at replacements already, whatever we think.
I just think its daft to invest that much money in players and then after 8 games go, "fuck it" and start again. For a start a new guy will have different ideas of how to play which probably won't suit a lot of RDM's signings so is DR T going to provide another 50m in January?. Unless you're one of the promotion or bust mob, we have for once a little time to see how things work out or not
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Changing the manager doesn't always work though as we found out last season. I'd be very surprised if Dr Tony is looking at other managers, very surprised.
Changing our last few managers didn't work because we waited too long to get rid of obvious failures. I'm not saying that about Di Matteo yet, bythe way, but things need to change quickly.
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That's the crux. The aim isn't to stay or consolidate in this league, it's to win it, failing that second, failing those successful in the play offs.
I want him to succeed desperately, there's just no evidence that he will.
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How long should Xia give him then, till Christmas? Could be too late then.
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Is it any wonder so many fans are trigger happy after what we've had to go through over the last 6 years. When it comes to patience (something that's called for regularly on here) Villa fans are up there with the best of them.
It's true that our patience is thin and fans are feeling trigger happy and have every right to feel that way. But the club have to get it right. A sacking after 8 games would be ludicrous and very dangerous for the stability of our club. We have got to hold our collective nerve. This is no time to panic.Knee jerk reactions right now is exactly what the club does not need.
You say the club have to get it right but why does that have to mean keeping the current manager? What if getting it right means admitting we have the wrong man in charge and quickly rectifying the situation? Why is that panicking?
Anyway, it's all down to Xia and I reckon he'll be looking at replacements already, whatever we think.
I just think its daft to invest that much money in players and then after 8 games go, "fuck it" and start again. For a start a new guy will have different ideas of how to play which probably won't suit a lot of RDM's signings so is DR T going to provide another 50m in January?. Unless you're one of the promotion or bust mob, we have for once a little time to see how things work out or not
That's my take as well. All the players are what RDM wanted so sacking him now would be rather stupid in my opinion. Besides, he hasn't failed at anything here yet, we've just made a poor start. It's hardly a sacking offence.
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Is it any wonder so many fans are trigger happy after what we've had to go through over the last 6 years. When it comes to patience (something that's called for regularly on here) Villa fans are up there with the best of them.
It's true that our patience is thin and fans are feeling trigger happy and have every right to feel that way. But the club have to get it right. A sacking after 8 games would be ludicrous and very dangerous for the stability of our club. We have got to hold our collective nerve. This is no time to panic.Knee jerk reactions right now is exactly what the club does not need.
You say the club have to get it right but why does that have to mean keeping the current manager? What if getting it right means admitting we have the wrong man in charge and quickly rectifying the situation? Why is that panicking?
Anyway, it's all down to Xia and I reckon he'll be looking at replacements already, whatever we think.
I just think its daft to invest that much money in players and then after 8 games go, "fuck it" and start again. For a start a new guy will have different ideas of how to play which probably won't suit a lot of RDM's signings so is DR T going to provide another 50m in January?. Unless you're one of the promotion or bust mob, we have for once a little time to see how things work out or not
Not only is it daft, it would also give me the heeby jeebies about Doctor Tony. Only morons or extremely rash or influencable people would do that
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i could empathise if i could see rdm had got us set up solidly and we had some form of style to our play
he hasnt and has had zero impact, zero
from 4 2 4 to 3 5 2 the bloke is fucking clueless
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That's the crux. The aim isn't to stay or consolidate in this league, it's to win it, failing that second, failing those successful in the play offs.
I want him to succeed desperately, there's just no evidence that he will.
And how many teams as bad as us last season do that? We weren't just relegated, we were record breakingly bad - the gold standard for awful football teams. I'm all for miracle recoveries like SGT performed but they don't happen very often in the real world.
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i could empathise if i could see rdm had got us set up solidly and we had some form of style to our play
he hasnt and has had zero impact, zero
from 4 2 4 to 3 5 2 the bloke is fucking clueless
You're making it sound as if he's the only manager in the world who's ever changed formations. A promotion with WBA, Top 6 in Germany and two trophies as a caretaker manager with Chelsea doesn't sound fucking clueless to me.
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i could empathise if i could see rdm had got us set up solidly and we had some form of style to our play
he hasnt and has had zero impact, zero
from 4 2 4 to 3 5 2 the bloke is fucking clueless
You're making it sound as if he's the only manager in the world who's ever changed formations. A promotion with WBA, Top 6 in Germany and two trophies as a caretaker manager with Chelsea doesn't sound fucking clueless to me.
so shoehorning all of your attackers into the side at the expense of the midfield isnt clueless?
losing to a fourth divison side and making richards captain irnt clueless?
playing westwood and gardner together isnt clueless?
i dont care what he has done in the past im bothered about here and now which isnt good enough
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I don't get the time to gel excuse now. I could when we brought the like of Lowton, Westwood etc for the "young and hungry" project, but the reason we brought 29-32 year olds was to hit the ground running.
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That's the crux. The aim isn't to stay or consolidate in this league, it's to win it, failing that second, failing those successful in the play offs.
I want him to succeed desperately, there's just no evidence that he will.
And how many teams as bad as us last season do that? We weren't just relegated, we were record breakingly bad - the gold standard for awful football teams. I'm all for miracle recoveries like SGT performed but they don't happen very often in the real world.
Sunderland did it. Had to change their manager early on though
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I might be wrong but didn't RDM say our aim was promotion in 2 seasons? So that would be the Docs aim would be too. On that basis he will be given time surely
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Playing Westwood is pretty clueless. He is the new EH.
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i could empathise if i could see rdm had got us set up solidly and we had some form of style to our play
he hasnt and has had zero impact, zero
from 4 2 4 to 3 5 2 the bloke is fucking clueless
You're making it sound as if he's the only manager in the world who's ever changed formations. A promotion with WBA, Top 6 in Germany and two trophies as a caretaker manager with Chelsea doesn't sound fucking clueless to me.
so shoehorning all of your attackers into the side at the expense of the midfield isnt clueless?
losing to a fourth divison side and making richards captain irnt clueless?
playing westwood and gardner together isnt clueless?
i dont care what he has done in the past im bothered about here and now which isnt good enough
So lets sack hkm after 8 games and start again with a manager who's players are not his. Now that would be clueless.
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i could empathise if i could see rdm had got us set up solidly and we had some form of style to our play
he hasnt and has had zero impact, zero
from 4 2 4 to 3 5 2 the bloke is fucking clueless
You're making it sound as if he's the only manager in the world who's ever changed formations. A promotion with WBA, Top 6 in Germany and two trophies as a caretaker manager with Chelsea doesn't sound fucking clueless to me.
so shoehorning all of your attackers into the side at the expense of the midfield isnt clueless?
losing to a fourth divison side and making richards captain irnt clueless?
playing westwood and gardner together isnt clueless?
i dont care what he has done in the past im bothered about here and now which isnt good enough
So lets sack hkm after 8 games and start again with a manager who's players are not his. Now that would be clueless.
They weren't RDM's players until a few weeks back. Anyway, they might be RDM's players but he clearly isn't getting anywhere near the best out of them. ALL new managers have to make do with somebody else's players at least until the next transfer window.
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I might be wrong but didn't RDM say our aim was promotion in 2 seasons? So that would be the Docs aim would be too. On that basis he will be given time surely
I haven't seen that but i think it's reasonable after last season disaster. I thought we'd be doing better than we are though.
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Two years to come up? He must mean he thinks we will be promoted from League 1 next season.
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‘I believe we can. Look at the club's history, its infrastructure, the fan base. It will get back into the Premier League and it is only a question of when. I have a two-year project to get back to the Premier League.
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Westwood and Gardner have only ever played together when there's been no other choice. What do you expect him to do?
I agree he fucked up against forest by not changing it when we were 2-1 up. But it was his gung Ho tactics that got us into the lead
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Westwood and Gardner have only ever played together when there's been no other choice. What do you expect him to do?
I agree he fucked up against forest by not changing it when we were 2-1 up. But it was his gung Ho tactics that got us into the lead
It was also his gung ho tactics that he used when he easily took WBA up from the Championship.
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If, come the new year 2018, we're still where we aree or worse, I won't hesitate to call for Di Matteo' s head to roll.
Our start hasn't been terrible and we'll improve over the next few moths.....
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Sorry Rob, you are a good mate and a true Villa fan but our start has been terrible by any measure.
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I agree, I'm pro-gung-ho, especially if you look at our squad. That's why I was disturbed by the defensiveness of Ipswich and the second half against Brentford - there's no way this is the team with which to dig in and grudge out a minimal result.
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Sorry Rob, you are a good mate and a true Villa fan but our start has been terrible by any measure.
Never mind Denis Healey. .I wonder what Hugh Gaitskell would have thought of the current Villa crisis
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I'm worried that promotion is not the aim this season in Di Matteo's mind. None of his quotes suggest it, even yesterday he was talking about a point away from home always being a good result.
RDM seems too laid-back to worry about any targets, maybe he's just said "Thanks for the dosh, we'll do our best with all these new players but it might take a while" to Xia.
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If, come the new year 2018, we're still where we aree or worse, I won't hesitate to call for Di Matteo' s head to roll.
Our start hasn't been terrible and we'll improve over the next few moths.....
If we're calling for his head in early 2018 it'll be too late by then.
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I think he was a bit shocked at what he found upon arrival and is trying to manage expectations
I'm really not sure he is the man for the job. But we've seen just how important it is for the overall strategy for the club to be right. That just can't include hiring managers, giving them £50m and then sacking them after 8 games (2 defeats) etc etc
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I think he was a bit shocked at what he found upon arrival and is trying to manage expectations
I'm really not sure he is the man for the job. But we've seen just how important it is for the overall strategy for the club to be right. That just can't include hiring managers, giving them £50m and then sacking them after 8 games (2 defeats) etc etc
I agree and it really can turn around very quick. I don't think we're actually far off. A slight shift could easily see us beat Newcastle and Barnsley and everything changes
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we realise we were in a shit state cuz of that ****** lerner, but we have spent £59m and we are playing inferior teams, shouldn't we expect a little bit more than played 8 won 1 , 8points.
Give the manager a bit more time, but if by November he aint getting results,
Go get Bruce.
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PWS, that's easy for you to say! 😂
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да, это становится довольно раздражающим.
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The only way I'd want Bruce (and I don't want RDM out, just yet) would be on a contract til the end of the season with promotion the only objective. Once promoted I'd replace him. Harsh but necessary. Watford did similar and it worked.
Bruce is good at getting teams promoted to the PL but also good at getting them relegated again.
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If it was Bruce (and I can barely believe I am typing that) he wouldn't come just until the end of the season.
Or he wouldn't sign a contact for that long, at least.
It would need to be two years minimum, and more likely three.
We'll have a better idea how things look after the next two. Mark Hughes might also be available, the way things are going.
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I have no idea what Hugh Gaitskell would say about Villa only winning 4 games in the last 48 and people being prepared to attack anyone who dares to say it is not good enough, I was only a boy when I met him. I was 61when Denis Healey came to my house. He came with Terry Waite if that gives you inspiration to have another pop at me.
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Hasn't Bruce only been relegated twice from the PL? As he's mainly managed smaller clubs and spent a dozen or so seasons in the top flight that isn't too bad. Not saying I want him but I don't think his record is as bad as made out.
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I have no idea what Hugh Gaitskell would say about Villa only winning 4 games in the last 48 and people being prepared to attack anyone who dares to say it is not good enough, I was only a boy when I met him. I was 61when Denis Healey came to my house. He came with Terry Waite if that gives you inspiration to have another pop at me.
Hugh Gaitskell would have been too busy being poisoned by the KGB (allegedly) to express a view about the Villa.
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I think Bruce would love the Villa job but not a chance would he sign a short term contract till the end of the season. To be honest I couldn't bear having him as our manager, there's too much Small Heath baggage with him and we should steer well clear. Besides, his football is just awful to watch.
You know what it probably is too soon to sack RDM but what we've seen from fans since yesterday is just born of the frustration of these last 6 horrible years.
He has to turn it around soon though because let's face it his start just hasn't been good enough.
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where is this seemingly inexorable decline taking us? If it carries on as it has ( 4 wins in 48) then we will be playing Forest Green quite soon.
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I have no idea what Hugh Gaitskell would say about Villa only winning 4 games in the last 48 and people being prepared to attack anyone who dares to say it is not good enough, I was only a boy when I met him. I was 61when Denis Healey came to my house. He came with Terry Waite if that gives you inspiration to have another pop at me.
Arrgh. Nobody's saying its good enough
We are saying you definitely can't blame RDM for the large bulk of it. it's a massive mitigating factor not another reason to criticise him.
It seems it doesn't matter how clearly this point is explained, people are wilfully misinterpreting it
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where is this seemingly inexorable decline taking us? If it carries on as it has ( 4 wins in 48) then we will be playing Forest Green quite soon.
Quite a few people on here would have a short trip to the away game if that transpired.
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Isn't it funny how Steve Bruce is now the 'housewifes favourite'. Probably from the same people who were clamoring for Nigel Pearson a few months earlier. Strange how suddenly he's name is not being mentioned anymore.
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Mark Hughes could be available soon
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Mark Hughes could be available soon
Stoke evidently have aspirations to be this season's Villa.
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Mark Hughes could be available soon
Stoke evidently have aspirations to be this season's Villa.
I'm watching that match at the moment, they're truly awful
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I have no idea what Hugh Gaitskell would say about Villa only winning 4 games in the last 48 and people being prepared to attack anyone who dares to say it is not good enough, I was only a boy when I met him. I was 61when Denis Healey came to my house. He came with Terry Waite if that gives you inspiration to have another pop at me.
The only famous person I've ever met was Tom O'Connor..he wasnt very inspirational. You win.
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Mark Hughes could be available soon
Stoke evidently have aspirations to be this season's Villa.
They have some stiff competition with West Ham trying to join the club and of course Sunderland
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Mark Hughes could be available soon
Stoke evidently have aspirations to be this season's Villa.
They have some stiff competition with West Ham trying to join the club and of course Sunderland
West Ham going down would really make me laugh - mainly because of the owners, but also the taxpayers' stadium
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Matt Collins if you want people to stop "wilfully misinterpreting" you, stop calling them Nazis.
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I have no idea what Hugh Gaitskell would say about Villa only winning 4 games in the last 48 and people being prepared to attack anyone who dares to say it is not good enough, I was only a boy when I met him. I was 61when Denis Healey came to my house. He came with Terry Waite if that gives you inspiration to have another pop at me.
You've met Terry Waite Brian? I'm green with envoy.
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I have no idea what Hugh Gaitskell would say about Villa only winning 4 games in the last 48 and people being prepared to attack anyone who dares to say it is not good enough, I was only a boy when I met him. I was 61when Denis Healey came to my house. He came with Terry Waite if that gives you inspiration to have another pop at me.
Hugh Gaitskell would have been too busy being poisoned by the KGB (allegedly) to express a view about the Villa.
Surely you can't be too busy during a poisoning event? To be a good poisoning candidate your have to give your poisoners a fair chance?
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I have no idea what Hugh Gaitskell would say about Villa only winning 4 games in the last 48 and people being prepared to attack anyone who dares to say it is not good enough, I was only a boy when I met him. I was 61when Denis Healey came to my house. He came with Terry Waite if that gives you inspiration to have another pop at me.
You've met Terry Waite Brian? I'm green with envoy.
Which envoy?
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I have no idea what Hugh Gaitskell would say about Villa only winning 4 games in the last 48 and people being prepared to attack anyone who dares to say it is not good enough, I was only a boy when I met him. I was 61when Denis Healey came to my house. He came with Terry Waite if that gives you inspiration to have another pop at me.
You've met Terry Waite Brian? I'm green with envoy.
Which envoy?
Peace brother, peace.
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I have no idea what Hugh Gaitskell would say about Villa only winning 4 games in the last 48 and people being prepared to attack anyone who dares to say it is not good enough, I was only a boy when I met him. I was 61when Denis Healey came to my house. He came with Terry Waite if that gives you inspiration to have another pop at me.
You've met Terry Waite Brian? I'm green with envoy.
Applause!
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I have no idea what Hugh Gaitskell would say about Villa only winning 4 games in the last 48 and people being prepared to attack anyone who dares to say it is not good enough, I was only a boy when I met him. I was 61when Denis Healey came to my house. He came with Terry Waite if that gives you inspiration to have another pop at me.
You've met Terry Waite Brian? I'm green with envoy.
Very good.
I'll try to remember the Jackie/Sunnie Mann joke I was told once for the joke thread.
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Didn't the other hostages allegedly find Terry Waite insufferable?
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Isn't it funny how Steve Bruce is now the 'housewifes favourite'. Probably from the same people who were clamoring for Nigel Pearson a few months earlier. Strange how suddenly he's name is not being mentioned anymore.
It's definitely less of a Venn diagram, more "two circles laid on top of each other".
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I don't imagine that Di Matteo's name is cropping up much on Derby forums either to be fair.
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Isn't it funny how Steve Bruce is now the 'housewifes favourite'. Probably from the same people who were clamoring for Nigel Pearson a few months earlier. Strange how suddenly he's name is not being mentioned anymore.
It's definitely less of a Venn diagram, more "two circles laid on top of each other".
If the price is right I think it would be a bonus if we got Brucie. We would definitely go higher. That's all I've got.
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Didn't the other hostages allegedly find Terry Waite insufferable?
Yes he wasn't popular, although being held hostage in a room in Beruit for nearly 4 years would make you grumpy I suppose.
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Mark Hughes could be available soon
Stoke evidently have aspirations to be this season's Villa.
They have some stiff competition with West Ham trying to join the club and of course Sunderland
West Ham going down would really make me laugh - mainly because of the owners, but also the taxpayers' stadium
Yup, I entirely agree.
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I don't imagine that Di Matteo's name is cropping up much on Derby forums either to be fair.
Probably not. But then I don't expect his name came up much before they hired Pearson, so it's not really a comparison they're going to be interested in making.
It's just the way that in some people's minds Pearson was literally the only possible option in the summer. And now Bruce is the only possible option, now that it looks like the previous only possible option is fucking rubbish.
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Why do people keep mentioning Steve Bruce? I've even seen someone on here mention McCarthy and Warnock. Are these fans that only follow football on Ceefax?
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I have no idea what Hugh Gaitskell would say about Villa only winning 4 games in the last 48 and people being prepared to attack anyone who dares to say it is not good enough, I was only a boy when I met him. I was 61when Denis Healey came to my house. He came with Terry Waite if that gives you inspiration to have another pop at me.
You've met Terry Waite Brian? I'm green with envoy.
According to embassy the envoy came in a purple packet.
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I have no idea what Hugh Gaitskell would say about Villa only winning 4 games in the last 48 and people being prepared to attack anyone who dares to say it is not good enough, I was only a boy when I met him. I was 61when Denis Healey came to my house. He came with Terry Waite if that gives you inspiration to have another pop at me.
You've met Terry Waite Brian? I'm green with envoy.
Very good.
I'll try to remember the Jackie/Sunnie Mann joke I was told once for the joke thread.
I christened a girl in my year at school 'Sunnie' on the basis of her large spectacles and it stuck for years.
I hope in retrospect it hasn't affected her adversely, or that she's had her husband kidnapped.
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Why do people keep mentioning Steve Bruce? I've even seen someone on here mention McCarthy and Warnock. Are these fans that only follow football on Ceefax?
Bruce has got teams promoted before. I think he'd organise and motivate these players better than RDM. The players simply aren't fit enough to play 2 games a week which is shocking. Look at the Brentford game only 72 hours after Forest. Players looked knackered after 45 minutes. Simply inexcusable.
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Lars Largerback with King Olaf as assistant for me
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Mark Hughes could be available soon
Stoke evidently have aspirations to be this season's Villa.
In their dreams
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Why do people keep mentioning Steve Bruce? I've even seen someone on here mention McCarthy and Warnock. Are these fans that only follow football on Ceefax?
Bruce has got teams promoted before. I think he'd organise and motivate these players better than RDM. The players simply aren't fit enough to play 2 games a week which is shocking. Look at the Brentford game only 72 hours after Forest. Players looked knackered after 45 minutes. Simply inexcusable.
Promoted teams before !
so has RDM so has Lambert so has Mcliesh so has a long list of very ordinary jobsworth mercenary managers of which Bruce is one
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And the team currently top of the league are managed by someone who's only ran a B team before! And they're decent to watch as well.
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So who will go first..RDM or Mourinho ?
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And the team currently top of the league are managed by someone who's only ran a B team before! And they're decent to watch as well.
Not seen them on the box yet. Thought they were one of the poorest sides to ever grace Villa Park for an hour to be honest. Scannell and Wells changed the game
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Why do people keep mentioning Steve Bruce? I've even seen someone on here mention McCarthy and Warnock. Are these fans that only follow football on Ceefax?
Bruce has got teams promoted before. I think he'd organise and motivate these players better than RDM. The players simply aren't fit enough to play 2 games a week which is shocking. Look at the Brentford game only 72 hours after Forest. Players looked knackered after 45 minutes. Simply inexcusable.
Promoted teams before !
so has RDM so has Lambert so has Mcliesh so has a long list of very ordinary jobsworth mercenary managers of which Bruce is one
Maybe so, but as I said, the team isn't fit enough to last 90 minutes twice a week. That's down to poor fitness coaching which is part of RDM's backroom team. No excuses.
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I might be wrong but didn't RDM say our aim was promotion in 2 seasons? So that would be the Docs aim would be too. On that basis he will be given time surely
Having read through all 33 pages before getting to your comment, I was about to make the same point. Although I think the exact comment was "within two seasons" i.e. go for it this season but if we didn't quite make it, it wouldn't be the end of the world. What I am reading on here is that it is the end of the world.
I still do not understand how people that watch a lot of football think that you can throw 11 new players (and not the same 11 each match for one reason or another) on to the pitch and expect them to work as a well drilled team against teams that have been playing together for a couple of seasons. From what I have seen this season, the players are playing as individuals and other players have almost stood there watching them and expecting them to just do something.
Putting aside the last two matches for a moment, if we had had a fair run of the ball, rather than everything going against us, we could quite easily had another 6 points and being in the top six. If that had been the case, I would go further to say that we would not have witnessed the last two performances. Fine lines between success and what some are calling total failure.
I am looking at the season so far as being 2 defeats in 8, rather than 1 win in 8. No way does this reflect the 1 win in 10 or 11 given as example of previous managers, as a reason for sacking, when the majority of the other 9 or 10 games were defeats. We need stability at this club and that means keeping the manager, not setting targets over the next 3 games as a benchmark for keeping or getting rid of the manager.
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Don't think we should ditch RDM yet , but if he did we could do worse than Graham Alexander at Scunthorpe. Ok, League 1 but look where they are... Model pro, top bloke and dare I say it,very much in the Rowett mould.
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On my earlier post I put that results will determine RDM's future, but also something that may give him a bit longer, is the structure the club is looking to go forward with, by appointing Round,it is that these players are never ever going to be the managers fully, they will be brought to fit into a style of play and pattern regardless of who the manager is, this will not be bedded in enough at the moment obviously.
Also as mentioned before, my main concern from him, is the apparent disconnect between him and the team during the game, he does not need to be a manic idiot on the side lines, but after Garde and Black, that's probably the last thing alot of the support want to see again.
I had the pleasure of watching TSM1 and TSM 2 giving their expert advise here on Bein this weekend and they both looked in perfect health and I am sure with a bank balance boosted by their failure at Villa park.
I hope he succeeds because then AVFC are succeeding, but at this present time, I have a horrible feeling he is another , "put the money in the bank, theres always another gig down the road, if not I will become a talking head".
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Lol fair point that.
Not sure who we could get that's a certainty to be any better in fairness at the moment. Bruce (I was taking the piss wroth the comparison to Allardyce last season) is as inspiring an option as fungal nail infections. I would hope Steve Round is currently snoring European leagues for the best coaches out there. Worryingly Di Matteo seems to be following Garde into unluckiest manager in the league territory. Injuries, missed chances, woodwork, bookings and dodgy refs all over the shop. Maybe we would end up with Harry in the short term considering Bond is here already.
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The RdM / Clarke combo needs to be given more time. It's far too early to consider other options.
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There's got to be signs of progression though and that had to be results as much as performances. I'd actually say 3 points despite playing badly would actually be a big indicator of progression. December 2013 was the last time we played poorly and won.
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if he can't helm the side to victory he has to go, and in my opinion he's on limited time. The money spent this season was a sign that our expectation was to get up, not flounder in the lower reaches.
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Exactly Mr U. I was heartened by the appearance of a topic headed "No more excuses now". This morning it was 45th in the table and falling fast without a post in two weeks.
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Exactly Mr U. I was heartened by the appearance of a topic headed "No more excuses now". This morning it was 45th in the table and falling fast without a post in two weeks.
I was going to post on that thread the other day but my dog licked the screen and my post disappeared.
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Exactly Mr U. I was heartened by the appearance of a topic headed "No more excuses now". This morning it was 45th in the table and falling fast without a post in two weeks.
I was going to post on that thread the other day but my dog licked the screen and my post disappeared.
It's a sign.
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Why do people keep mentioning Steve Bruce? I've even seen someone on here mention McCarthy and Warnock. Are these fans that only follow football on Ceefax?
Bruce has got teams promoted before. I think he'd organise and motivate these players better than RDM. The players simply aren't fit enough to play 2 games a week which is shocking. Look at the Brentford game only 72 hours after Forest. Players looked knackered after 45 minutes. Simply inexcusable.
Promoted teams before !
so has RDM so has Lambert so has Mcliesh so has a long list of very ordinary jobsworth mercenary managers of which Bruce is one
Maybe so, but as I said, the team isn't fit enough to last 90 minutes twice a week. That's down to poor fitness coaching which is part of RDM's backroom team. No excuses.
Fitness.....have you seen Steve Bruce he hasn't got the discipline to look after himself never mind his team
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Why do people keep mentioning Steve Bruce? I've even seen someone on here mention McCarthy and Warnock. Are these fans that only follow football on Ceefax?
Bruce has got teams promoted before. I think he'd organise and motivate these players better than RDM. The players simply aren't fit enough to play 2 games a week which is shocking. Look at the Brentford game only 72 hours after Forest. Players looked knackered after 45 minutes. Simply inexcusable.
Promoted teams before !
so has RDM so has Lambert so has Mcliesh so has a long list of very ordinary jobsworth mercenary managers of which Bruce is one
Maybe so, but as I said, the team isn't fit enough to last 90 minutes twice a week. That's down to poor fitness coaching which is part of RDM's backroom team. No excuses.
Fitness.....have you seen Steve Bruce he hasn't got the discipline to look after himself never mind his team
Hull won the play-off final in extra time in May.
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I am reserving judgment for the next 7 games (reckon we need 14 points from them) That last match in October could be a crucial day for RDM?
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How many more seasons is supposedly lack of fitness going to be a problem
What do our lot do in pre season, go for an occasional JOG???
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The RdM / Clarke combo needs to be given more time. It's far too early to consider other options.
I wonder what their relationship is like? first time they've worked together
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the clamour for Bruce gets on my nerves,
as if he's some guaranteed miracle worker, he's a journey man manager that's had some promotions and a few relegations,
like a miriad of other managers, Holloway and Warnock both good at getting teams out of this division and that's the company Bruce belongs in
The bit I really struggle with is the comparison between Bruce and Pulis.
They're both very similar managers to my mind - organised, unspectacular, and experienced. Neither are renowned for particularly attractive football. Neither have a great pedigree in terms of managing top clubs. Both have got teams promoted from the Championship but importantly only one has got teams relegated from the Prem.
And yet Bruce is increasingly seen on these pages as the answer whilst Pulis is seen as some sort of red line.
I don't get it.
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the clamour for Bruce gets on my nerves,
as if he's some guaranteed miracle worker, he's a journey man manager that's had some promotions and a few relegations,
like a miriad of other managers, Holloway and Warnock both good at getting teams out of this division and that's the company Bruce belongs in
The bit I really struggle with is the comparison between Bruce and Pulis.
They're both very similar managers to my mind - organised, unspectacular, and experienced. Neither are renowned for particularly attractive football. Neither have a great pedigree in terms of managing top clubs. Both have got teams promoted from the Championship but importantly only one has got teams relegated from the Prem.
And yet Bruce is increasingly seen on these pages as the answer whilst Pulis is seen as some sort of red line.
I don't get it.
Pulis is known for particularly unattractive football - the most unattractive we've seen in years, many would say, Bruce is not. That's the difference.
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Bruce has got teams promoted to the top flight three times - most recently last season.
Pulis has had a side promoted once - back in 2008.
If we are picking managers based on what they did eight years ago, MON might be worth a call. Pulis is also in a job, Bruce isn't.
What's not to get.
Not that I'd want Potatohead in a month of Sundays. Hopefully RDM learns to tell the difference between his derriere and that pointy bit of his arm in the next few weeks and makes such talk redundant. Either that, or he'll be redundant.
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but considerably richer
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I'm glad Dr Tone is telling fans to stay positive. He absolutely right to.
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I'm glad Dr Tone is telling fans to stay positive. He absolutely right to.
Agreed win our next two and everything changes and in spite of previous results I can see it happening. It's important McCormack is fit though, he's the player who creates space.
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I read it that he is asking us to be positive, not telling us. His call for calm is right and necessary. It would be foolish to be blind to everything that needs to be addressed but it is vital that we plot our resurrection calmly.
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How many more seasons is supposedly lack of fitness going to be a problem
What do our lot do in pre season, go for an occasional JOG???
At the risk of waving a red rag in front of a few bulls, Okore was on the bench for FCK at the weekend for the first time, having played a couple of 45 minutes for their reserves. Their manager (and erstwhile Wolves sackee Ståle Solbakken) said that it was good to have him on the bench as cover for injuries and cards, but he probably needed another 2 or 3 weeks of intensive training with 1 or 2 reserve games each week to get him close to match fit. That's match fit for the Danish Supaliga, which for all bar a couple of teams is top of league 1 / bottom of championship standard.
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And didn't we bring in a notorious fitness coach with an impressive nickname?
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Hopefully that finish to the game is a catalyst to finally FINALLY get our season going.
We could do with a mini run of winning two on the bounce to get us back amongst it.
Changing manager again will be arse biscuits. But If our response is more like Bristol away and other famous collapses over the next couple of games, it will be difficult to make a case for continuing on the current path. It won't get better just because we hope it will.
Olbiyun are far from trigger happy, but they had seen enough in RDM to pot him in 2011. The subsequent EC win skews his profile somewhat. Would he have got a similar position at any club other than Chelsea at that time based on his record up to then?
As someone coming in on a short term basis and being all matey matey with Terry, Lampard and Co after Benitez's more caustic approach, that might have been all a well drilled outfit like Chelsea needed.
We were (still are) a shambles. It's a total rebuild that we required. And the foundations he has put in look suspect.
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Winning two in a row? Begone with your talk of witchcraft!
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Lads, RDM hasn't a clue I'm afraid. Fail to beat Barnsley and I'd give Clarke a go.
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Aston Villa boss Roberto Di Matteo facing the axe just nine matches into his reign
22:30, 24 SEP 2016
BY NEIL MOXLEY
The Italian has just one league victory so far and is understood to have been warned about unsatisfactory results even before Saturday's draw with Newcastle
Roberto Di Matteo is already battling to save his job as Aston Villa manager, writes Neil Moxley in the Sunday People .
The former Italy star was under the cosh even before Saturday’s 1-1 draw at home to Newcastle , which leaves Villa with just one league victory this season.
Boss Di Matteo has been left under no illusions as to the demands of new owner Dr Tony Xia as he tries to plot a return to the Premier League at the first time of asking.
But the team’s poor start to their Championship campaign has put him under huge pressure.
Villa were also humiliatingly dumped out of the EFL Cup by League Two side Luton Town – and Xia has hinted at his frustrations on social media.
Di Matteo cannot claim he has not been given funds – more than £50million was spent recruiting players over the summer.
But that was offset by several players leaving the club after the drop from the top division.
In his defence, the ex-Chelsea boss can point to how little time he has had to build a winning team, having been appointed only four months ago.
But PeopleSport understands he has been warned that matters must improve quickly if Xia is not to wield the axe.
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Whilst it's true we need to improve that article is just a whole lot of nothing.
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Absolute must is 1 win out of two games v Barnsley and Preston. If he were to not win any of those two and it's 1 in 11 I think a badged up Toyota Corolla will be waiting in Trinity road!
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I don't think he could get away with 1 win in 10. He's got a must win coming up. If he loses he's on very, very thin ice.
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Kendrick reckons he has until the Blues game, which I think is about fair. That will be 15 games in. Win 3-4 of the next 6 he will be fine, but I reckon 6 points from the next 2 might well be needed to save him having a very uncomfortable trip to Tone's place over the international break, anything less and he will be told he has 3 games after the international break.
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We'll win the next two. Today will be a turning point.
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I think he will be swimming with the Dr's Koi Carp at some point this season, too many obvious blunders, he doesn't have it.
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Don't think he'll make it to xmas.
Think the Dr will act when the top 2 start sailing into the distance, it's not far off atm already which is embarrassing.
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I expected a quicker turnaround from Di Matteo. Whilst we've not won many games, we've not lost too many either. I'm prepared to give him longer. In fact, if we're mid-table or better by Jan, I'd give him a bit more cash for a couple more players and see how he goes til the end of the season. If we're still bottom half come the new year, I'd probably pull the trigger then. Just seems a bit hasty talking of sacking managers in September. I'm not suggesting he gets a similar length of Rope to what Lambert had, but they've got to stick with him til Jan surely? I think once we get a few wins and a bit of confidence, we'll see some good progress and I believe that will happen. If the draws start turning to losses though I don't think Xia would have any qualms about replacing him.
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Like everyone I expected to have had more points at this stage. HOWEVER, a lot of positives and potential.
Before anyone jumps on my back we have not really played well for a full 90 minutes this season. We have however had exceptional spells in most games, unlike last season. We have had to change the full structure of the team around.
If it had not been for late goals (yes if, may be, should have been) we would be sitting here content.
I think RDM has proved himself with the ability to turn things around namely Forest and yesterday evening. We were a disgrace first half, but RDM earned his salary with just one half time talk.
That Mondeo can stay in the garage for the rest of the season and at least give our new management structure until the end of the season to see what they can conjure up.
Not a lot of better names in the frame and remember the mutterings for Moyes (me included) and Pearson - neither pulling up trees right now.
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Its just so bloody frustrating. We could so easily be comfortably in the top 6 if we'd been more professional. I agree though, I'd rather give RDM time than jump ship to the other candidates that were being mentioned, Bruce, Pearson, Moyes etc. He's not left himself much margin for error though now.
I think we'll come good. I just hope we've not left ourselves too much to do due to not getting those wins on the board early.
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Don't think he'll make it to xmas.
Think the Dr will act when the top 2 start sailing into the distance, it's not far off atm already which is embarrassing.
Norwich and Huddersfield?
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The not losing and showing character is a good sign but he desperately needs a couple of wins to make it look like there actually is progress not just clinging on. Barnsley have been impressive this season so could be a very difficult game too.
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When he sets the team up like he did last night against the Toon, then he deserves all the criticism and questions that come his way.
To start with 7 defensive players was disgraceful and it was only newcastles inability to finish that meant we didn't go in at half time 3 or 4 down.
I think anything less than 4 points from the next 2 and he'll be smelling the crysanths on Dr Tony's roof terrace.
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Yesterday was Lambert like in its tactical idiocy. The guy is way too circumspect and negative. The players themselves earned redemption in the last 25 minutes, it had nothing to do with the suit in the dug out
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hurry up and pull the trigger
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he will if we don't get results at Barnsley and Preston - he'll have no choice.
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A couple of wins would shoot us up the table which is why it's still far too early to be wanting him gone for me but yes, he should have won more than he has.
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I've got more concerns now than I did last week, even after a perfectly acceptable point against Newcastle. He set up defensively but we were all over the shop and should have been well behind at half time, I just don't think he sees problems quickly enough to rectify them.
I'm still to see a better side than us but the talent isn't been given the right direction, there is a problem with the management.
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We played bloody well second half as we did in the main against Forest - it is coming together. RDM obviously did see the issues for an appalling first half and turned the whole thing around yesterday. Really this topic shouldn't exist. He is new in the job give him time to succeed or fail.
Next people will be calling for the likes of Pullis to come to our rescue (hold hands to face time).
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What worries me is that hes coming up with these formations in the first place.
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Its really one of those weird rules that apply just to football that because a squad performed in record breaking shitness the season before, they should now be running away with the league because y'know..we've dropped down a division and we should run away with the league. Obviously forgetting the teams who did get promotion from that same shite division finished many points above us. I'm reasonably happy, more so after Newcastle who were supposed to hammer us off the face of the earth apparently and just about managed to get a draw in the end. Wait till November and if its still draw after draw, then make the change
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Its really one of those weird rules that apply just to football that because a squad performed in record breaking shitness the season before, they should now be running away with the league because y'know..we've dropped down a division and we should run away with the league. Obviously forgetting the teams who did get promotion from that same shite division finished many points above us. I'm reasonably happy, more so after Newcastle who were supposed to hammer us off the face of the earth apparently and just about managed to get a draw in the end. Wait till November and if its still draw after draw, then make the change
You missed the fact we have a new owner, New coaching staff and an outlay of close to 60million for a new team. That in itself causes its own issues but a thread discussing the management is to be expected.
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I've definitely been in the camp where he needs lots more time
The way we've set up the last two games is concerning me though. It doesnt make sense on paper and it smacks of someone who doesn't know his own mind
We were generally playing well but not taking our chances and conceding late goals. It just seemed so obvious that either we needed to have faith in our mega attacking style or tweak it by stiffening midfield at the expense of one of the four attackers.
We've looked awful playing 532 so I hope it was an aberration and that's the last we see of it
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The last half an hour has bought him some time, IMO.
If he starts five at the back on Tuesday I'd sack him on the spot though.
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Its really one of those weird rules that apply just to football that because a squad performed in record breaking shitness the season before, they should now be running away with the league because y'know..we've dropped down a division and we should run away with the league. Obviously forgetting the teams who did get promotion from that same shite division finished many points above us. I'm reasonably happy, more so after Newcastle who were supposed to hammer us off the face of the earth apparently and just about managed to get a draw in the end. Wait till November and if its still draw after draw, then make the change
You missed the fact we have a new owner, New coaching staff and an outlay of close to 60million for a new team. That in itself causes its own issues but a thread discussing the management is to be expected.
well its not an outlay of 60m is it? 40m probably given the sales and as i said it wasn't a team that went down who could even compete with the likes of Norwich. 2 months they've been in charge so given that i will give them time. And 5 of that awful squad played against Newcastle so it's not like we have a completely new team is it?
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I think its close. Awful setup to start with but brilliant for the last 25 minutes. Barnsley here we come!
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Don't think he'll make it to xmas.
Think the Dr will act when the top 2 start sailing into the distance, it's not far off atm already which is embarrassing.
Norwich and Huddersfield?
Huddersfield will fall away imo, it's teams like Norwich, Newcastle obviously, Brighton and Sheff Weds who after indifferent starts are all capable of stringing 4-5 wins together and so get away from us if we continue with our drawing games method.
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There was only one team on the pitch yesterday that was hanging on for a draw.
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For me, RDM has got another 7 games to prove he's got what it takes to get these team performing consistently and putting points on the board...if he can't do it by the break at the start of November then fuck him off and bring in someone who can.
Barnsley (A)
Preston (A)
Wolves (H)
Reading (A)
Fulham (H)
Blose (A)
Blackburn (H)
We should be getting at least 14pts out of those 7 games...if we don't then he shouldn't be in the job. Simples.
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If we don't win either of the next two then he is gone IMO. A record of 1/11 regardless of building ale thing or not, won't be looked past
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For me, RDM has got another 7 games to prove he's got what it takes to get these team performing consistently and putting points on the board...if he can't do it by the break at the start of November then fuck him off and bring in someone who can.
Barnsley (A)
Preston (A)
Wolves (H)
Reading (A)
Fulham (H)
Blose (A)
Blackburn (H)
We should be getting at least 14pts out of those 7 games...if we don't then he shouldn't be in the job. Simples.
While i wouldn't set a target of points as such, i'd agree that after those games we'd be right to assess if we were progressing
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Well the only measure that counts is points. The Doc won't be waiting seven games if we loose the next two
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I cut him some slack - I still don't think he's been able to play his best side yet and you have to accept it will take a while to shake off the monumentous hangover of last season. However, expecting more than one win from your opening 11 games doesn't seem like a big ask, nor does settling on a preferred system for the players signed at his behest.
After finishing our transfer business it seemed like RDM felt he got his fingers burnt by being too attacking so we retreated into an overly cautious approach (Ipswich, Brentford, first half yesterday) in seeking more balance. Hopefully the closing stages yesterday were a eureka moment.
Play like we did, in the system we did over the last 20 minutes or so yesterday in the next four games with a touch of consistency and I think we'll be just fine.
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I agree Matt C - good name by the way
We really weren't far off after the forest game. The strength of this side is creativity and goals. We need a better platform to support that without ripping up what was working.
Hopefully that's the plan now
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For me, RDM has got another 7 games to prove he's got what it takes to get these team performing consistently and putting points on the board...if he can't do it by the break at the start of November then fuck him off and bring in someone who can.
Barnsley (A)
Preston (A)
Wolves (H)
Reading (A)
Fulham (H)
Blose (A)
Blackburn (H)
We should be getting at least 14pts out of those 7 games...if we don't then he shouldn't be in the job. Simples.
agree
to be in the mix we need to be picking up two points per game
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Which is why we are currently in the wrong type of mix
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We need to win the next two, no ifs or buts.
I actually feel positive following the full time whistle for the first time in a while, so hopefully we take that momentum into Barnsley and give them a drubbing.
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if Steve Bruce is our best option then I'd give him loads of time
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if Steve Bruce is our best option then I'd give him loads of time
Forty years would be fine by me
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The state of him I would hate to be offering him life insurance.
That is not a death threat by the way, just a legitimate comment on how bloated and unhealthy he looks.
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yep looks like he's got the physique of a racing whale
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Though Bruce still looks fitter than Gabby did at the end of last season...and sorry Steve, it's still a no from me.
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There is still a lot of games to play even before we enter December so I think we can afford to be patient. Part of the problem for me is that RDM had just not being able to select a settled side and therefore a settled formation. Tshibola is the key for me...keep him fit and we will begin to prosper. Overall I still feel positive and looking forward to visiting Oakwell and Deepdale in the next week and confident we can start turning those draws into wins.
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I agree with you Exiled. Tshibola is the key to forward momentum. A very important player for us.
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if Steve Bruce is our best option then I'd give him loads of time
Agreed, would be a waste of time to sack him now
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I was expecting to see Villa really push on after the Forest game so let's hope the 2nd half v Newcastle doesn't prove to be another false dawn.
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/09/26/roberto-di-matteo-facing-two-games-to-save-his-job-at-aston-vill/
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I was expecting to see Villa really push on after the Forest game so let's hope the 2nd half v Newcastle doesn't prove to be another false dawn.
I thought the Forest game was a disaster. Did I miss something..?
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2nd half in both games we were great
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So, John Percy and Stuart James report the same story. It's the last rites for RDM unless he strings a run together. IMO we should bin him know and get on the dog to Steve Bruce asap. Di Matteo is shit. Get rid
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We battered Forest all game. They had two shots and got a point. Much like Huddersfield, if we'd won 4 or 5, nobody would have complained their end.
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I'd say the Forest game was more of a disappointment than a disaster. We had enough chances to have won it comfortably.
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We battered Forest all game. They had two shots and got a point. Much like Huddersfield, if we'd won 4 or 5, nobody would have complained their end.
Which is exactly the problem.
It never actually happens.
I'm so bored of all this "should have" "could have" bullshit. We need to start actually fucking doing it if we've got plans to advance from the bottom third of the Championship
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Steve Bruce though?
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/09/26/roberto-di-matteo-facing-two-games-to-save-his-job-at-aston-vill/
Inevitable, the performances show no sign of improving either.
His last three team selections have been Sherwood esque. Don't think he will last a poor result at Barnsley tomorrow
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We battered Forest all game. They had two shots and got a point. Much like Huddersfield, if we'd won 4 or 5, nobody would have complained their end.
Which is exactly the problem.
It never actually happens.
I'm so bored of all this "should have" "could have" bullshit. We need to start actually fucking doing it if we've got plans to advance from the bottom third of the Championship
I don't disagree with that.
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Steve Bruce though?
If we're going down the road of ex-Blues managers, I would prefer Chris Hughton.
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I'm not convinced that Dr Tony is really a Steve Bruce sort of guy.
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And if allardyce goes Mr Bruce will probably get the England gig.
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Steve Bruce though?
If we're going down the road of ex-Blues managers, I would prefer Chris Hughton.
I'd rather we steered well clear of anyone with Small Heath connections.
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/09/26/roberto-di-matteo-facing-two-games-to-save-his-job-at-aston-vill/
Inevitable, the performances show no sign of improving either.
His last three team selections have been Sherwood esque. Don't think he will last a poor result at Barnsley tomorrow
Jesus, not even two months!
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/09/26/roberto-di-matteo-facing-two-games-to-save-his-job-at-aston-vill/
Inevitable, the performances show no sign of improving either.
His last three team selections have been Sherwood esque. Don't think he will last a poor result at Barnsley tomorrow
Jesus, not even two months!
I know. Seems harsh but 2 bad away showings and he might be in trouble. I've just got a feeling that it won't happen because we'll get the wins.
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he deserves to be under pressure - one win is unpardonable given the resources we have. Get rid .
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I'm not at all convinced by RDM yet
I just don't want the Xia regime to be one where we sack managers after a dozen games and having given them £50m
It just doesn't feel like the sort of platform we need to succeed
Plus, who comes in? Bruce? Do we take a chance on the guy from Huddersfield? The other main candidates in the summer we're Moyes and Pearson . . .
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We battered Forest all game. They had two shots and got a point. Much like Huddersfield, if we'd won 4 or 5, nobody would have complained their end.
Which is exactly the problem.
It never actually happens.
I'm so bored of all this "should have" "could have" bullshit. We need to start actually fucking doing it if we've got plans to advance from the bottom third of the Championship
amen to that
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Whilst his selection and tactics have been bizarre, I'd give him till early December - there has been a big overhaul after 5 years of chaos and 2 months is an insult.
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the results so far are the only insult after massive investment
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We battered Forest all game. They had two shots and got a point. Much like Huddersfield, if we'd won 4 or 5, nobody would have complained their end.
Which is exactly the problem.
It never actually happens.
I'm so bored of all this "should have" "could have" bullshit. We need to start actually fucking doing it if we've got plans to advance from the bottom third of the Championship
Yep agreed and the 'actually fucking doing it' needs to start tonight.
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If we don't win one of the next two he will be gone imo.
Xia will be comparing RDM to the likes of Gary Monk at Leeds who after a ropey start has won 4 on the bounce.
I know it's only been a few weeks but not winning one of the next two will be unacceptable
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I would say on the basis that the Allardyce saga is going to implicate other managers I'd steer clear of his best mate....
It's correct that RDM should be feeling the heat as we are nearly at a quarter of the season & we are still grinding draws at best not wins....he needs a big few days now & the heat goes away. Adomah at wing back & Bacuna in midfield will not endear him...
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It's definitely put up or shut up time, we simply haven't been good enough. Lose or draw tonight and he'll be under immense pressure.
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Guardian and Independent both reporting he will get the sack if we do not win this week. For what it's worth.
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Guardian and Independent both reporting he will get the sack if we do not win this week. For what it's worth.
If it goes to 1 win in 12 I don't think he could have many complaints.
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God knows who we'll end up with...Ryan Giggs anyone?
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I would mind the chap who just got fired from Watford. Or even the chap he replaced who's now at Fulham.
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I'd still stick with him for as long as possible personally. I don't think we're that far away from a few wins which could change everything.
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I think they'll go for someone with experience in this division again.
Step up Ian Holloway.
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To be honest, a draw and a loss out of the next 2 games, or even 2 draws, would be unacceptable.
That would leave us on 10 or 11 points after 11 games with a record of W1 D8 L2 or even worse W1 D7 L3.
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If we don't win either of the next 2 games he will be gone
IF he does get the sack, then I hope that we appoint a top class manager, not the average joes who have been in the job for the last 5-6 seasons!
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Its wierd isn't it, I think it's utterly ridiculous that we are discussing sacking a manager after less than two months who is trying to gel a new side. However, the results aren't good and we're slipping behind.
I keep thinking, well the football from nearly everyone in this league I have seen is utterly shite, so once we get a run going we'll smash it up the table, but it doesn't look like starting.
I was speaking to an old mate at the weekend who's a Wolves fan, and he said if we get too much further behind we'll never make it up, its a funny league like that from his experience. So we have a situation where we almost look like a good side in a poor league, where you should be able to climb the table quickly when it clicks as a good side - but you can't, because there is something "about" this league that no-one can explain that makes it so fucking difficult!
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I think they'll go for someone with experience in this division again.
Step up Ian Holloway.
Mancini ;)
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If we do make a change in the International break, we should avoid our usual plan of only looking for the long-term unemployed (RDM, Garde, Sherwood), and actually entice the manager we want from abroad or wherever, money talks.
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If we do make a change in the International break, we should avoid our usual plan of only looking for the long-term unemployed (RDM, Garde, Sherwood), and actually entice the manager we want from abroad or wherever, money talks.
We 'enticed' the two before those you mentioned. That worked out well...
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I almost posted something on here yesterday after looking at the upcoming fixtures and the international break that despite it being a bit premature I'd like to see him replaced if we get less than 3 points from the next 2 games. The international break is a good time to do it and it looks like I might get my wish if the papers are to be believed. What I hope will happen is that we go and get 4 or 6 points from the next 2 and its onwards and upwards. I must admit I can't see it though.
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On the positive side, lets say we win the 2 this week and then kick-on. Hopefully drop talk of getting another manager in.
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I'd have no qualms with RDM getting the boot if results don't start improving - as of this evening. I have little confidence in his current managerial abilities; and believe that his time out of the game in recent years has exacerbated his shortcomings. I really wanted him to succeed here - as I do anyone who takes the Villa hot-seat - but time is most definitely not on his side. I can only hope that he proves myself and other doubters wrong and finally gets the show on the road in the next 2 matches.
With regards to a potential replacement, I'd make Chris Hughton an offer he couldn't refuse. He's quality (and it would wind the BHA supporters I know up a treat!). Over to you Roberto & Tony...
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On the positive side, lets say we win the 2 this week and then kick-on. Hopefully drop talk of getting another manager in.
That would be mint. Now let it be so!
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Roy Hodgson?
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Big Sam might be in the jobcentre soon....
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I'd still stick with him for as long as possible personally. I don't think we're that far away from a few wins which could change everything.
Problem is we've been saying that for about a month now and another half a dozen games have gone by. Fail to win this week and we'll be at 9 without a win.
Hopefully we'll win both but if we don't, we can't keep failing to win and just giving the manager a free pass.
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He does have to get one win from two, but if it were me I'd say he needs to win one and not lose the other. The return on Dr. T's investment has been extremely poor.
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I am just staggered that some posters want a change of manager so soon. Having done a complete overhaul of the back room staff do people think that another complete re-organisation is going to be of any beneficial use to the playing staff- especially before the January transfer window? What is needed now is a period of stabalisation and a period of gluing Aston Villa together again not to throw it once more against the wall. I have seen real signs of recovery and a playing style that will get points on the table. There is a positive spirit at last at Villa Park and my opinion is that self harming newspaper stories which have their sources amongst the fan base undermine the good work that is being done. For sure it might not be at the pace some posters want or expected but AVFC was a very broken entity and the mending of it will take some time.
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RDM must know he's got to start turning in some results pretty sharpish. Maybe he'll get 6 points from Barnsley and Preston NE. The side are certainly capable with the chances they are creating.
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I'd still stick with him for as long as possible personally. I don't think we're that far away from a few wins which could change everything.
Problem is we've been saying that for about a month now and another half a dozen games have gone by. Fail to win this week and we'll be at 9 without a win.
Hopefully we'll win both but if we don't, we can't keep failing to win and just giving the manager a free pass.
I know what you're saying. I'm just a little uncomfortable in leting a manager spend all that money on players then deciding after just under 2 months it's not working.
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Roy Hodgson?
Would be my shout.
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I wouldn't want Woy anywhere near VP
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A club that's spent a long time in the doldrums wouldn't be a good match for such a boring bastard like Woy.
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Anything less than four points from the next two games and I will join the 'want him gone club'. But we're going to win the next games 4-0, 3-0 and all will be good in the world.
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I'll let you be in my dream if I can be in yours!
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I think getting rid of so many managers over the past 18 months means we have developed a blood lust for sacking. He needs results obviously but the lack of opportunity to play a settled side due to injuries, late signings and Jack the laddishness means he deserves some leeway.
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I think getting rid of so many managers over the past 18 months means we have developed a blood lust for sacking. He needs results obviously but the lack of opportunity to play a settled side due to injuries, late signings and Jack the laddishness means he deserves some leeway.
Chris, that's absolutely the voice of sanity and reason, but for me personally what I have witnessed from us so far seems to back up this uneasy feeling I've had about Di Matteo for some time, namely that he's a charlatan of Sherwood proportions.
I heard him talking about Grealish last week and it really struck me how disconnected he sounded about it all, as though someone was posing the question to Charlie Nicolas on Soccer Saturday and really he doesn't give a toss.
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Xia has denied the "win the next 2 matches or you're out" story on Twitter just now. Or at least I think he has.
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I don't want him sacked, I want RDM to bloody sort it out.
I think he will though I'm pretty convinced he'll stumble across the solution rather than it being a selection/formation/tactical decision.
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Xia has denied the "win the next 2 matches or you're out" story on Twitter just now. Or at least I think he has.
"As always, the medias knew something I would do that even I myself don't know."
He's made it perfectly clear.
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Xia has denied the "win the next 2 matches or you're out" story on Twitter just now. Or at least I think he has.
"As always, the medias knew something I would do that even I myself don't know."
He's made it perfectly clear.
Crystal. :o
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Xia has denied the "win the next 2 matches or you're out" story on Twitter just now. Or at least I think he has.
"As always, the medias knew something I would do that even I myself don't know."
He's made it perfectly clear.
Aye, pretty crystal clear. Sounds to me like Percy spoke to somebody well connected and has offered up a personal view that has been masqueraded as Xia's view point.
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I don't want him sacked, I want RDM to bloody sort it out.
I think he will though I'm pretty convinced he'll stumble across the solution rather than it being a selection/formation/tactical decision.
I agree wholeheartedly with this Rudy. I like Di Matteo and think he needs more time. Overall I've enjoyed watching us this year. Yes, there have been some crap results and somodd selections, but we have some decent players, have played very well at times and I feel the Newcastle draw at the death could be the catalyst for an upturn in fortunes.
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Yes as long as Jordan Ayew stops hitting the woodwork time and time again and starts putting it in the onion bag instead RDM should be ok.
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I am just staggered that some posters want a change of manager so soon. Having done a complete overhaul of the back room staff do people think that another complete re-organisation is going to be of any beneficial use to the playing staff- especially before the January transfer window? What is needed now is a period of stabalisation and a period of gluing Aston Villa together again not to throw it once more against the wall. I have seen real signs of recovery and a playing style that will get points on the table. There is a positive spirit at last at Villa Park and my opinion is that self harming newspaper stories which have their sources amongst the fan base undermine the good work that is being done. For sure it might not be at the pace some posters want or expected but AVFC was a very broken entity and the mending of it will take some time.
Totally agree... there's been a massive overhaul and transition at the club over the summer from the top and the owner, down through the chairman and sporting director, the scouting, managing, coaching and fitness staff and ultimately the players. We've got some very good people in too, but to expect all of that to gel and work perfectly straight away is wishful and fanciful thinking that betrays the massive complexity of the changes we have undergone in such a short time and the difficulty of what we are trying to achieve.
There are some very good sides in the championship but despite the resources and infrastructure we've built up over the summer it's going to take a while to build the side we want and get the results we want in terms of both playing style and points.
I'm sure the Dr has set a very clear remit about his expectations at all levels for the club this season, ultimately to get promoted at the first attempt, but i feel we're moving in the right direction. The team are starting to gel at times and gaining more experience of playing together and certain strong partnerships are forming, and we're developing through experience and staring to learn what works and what doesn't. Importantly we're not losing a lot of games, we're not winning a lot either, but solid teams are first forged out of not losing, and then building upon that and winning.
There's some worrying trends: dominating first halves, not taking chances, poor second halves and conceding late, but we're creating chances and have shown what we can do in patches against some very solid sides themselves. Much of this is to do with the fact we're still gelling as a side and building confidence, and just as much i expect that teams see playing us a bit of a cup game, and so put that extra bit more into their games against us, they also know our history and tendency to concede late so gain some psychological belief and motivation from that.
RDM has to be given more time IMO, he could have done better, but he could have done a lot worse, and at this point unless things are significantly broken in terms of relationships and trust with the manager, what we need is a period of stability and refinement of what we have, to allow us the time to get the best out of what we have. I think we have most of the bits of the jigsaw in place, it's just going to take a bit of time to put them all in place and start seeing the picture we want. Ultimately RDM as well as having previous championship promotion under his belt, also has premier league experience and a champions league trophy, and if possible we want that kind of consistency as we hopefully move back up from the championship to the higher echelons of the premier league.
In short... think we need to keep hold of him for a bit longer... anything else would be a bit of a premature ejaculation.
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How could he have done a lot worse than 9 points and 9 goals in 9 league games and losing to Luton? Especially considering how crap this division is and the squad we have.
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Well our expectations are so low now that anything other than losing most of our games is considered alright. We aren't good going forward and haven't played great football either, there's only Fulham, Ipswich, Derby and Preston who have scored less.
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How could he have done a lot worse than 9 points and 9 goals in 9 league games and losing to Luton? Especially considering how crap this division is and the squad we have.
It could be worse if that 9 points was a true reflection of how we have played, rather than it being skewed by freakish goals conceded and an unerring ability to hit the woodwork. If we had the points our performances had deserved then this thread would probably not exist.
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How could he have done a lot worse than 9 points and 9 goals in 9 league games and losing to Luton? Especially considering how crap this division is and the squad we have.
It could be worse if that 9 points was a true reflection of how we have played, rather than it being skewed by freakish goals conceded and an unerring ability to hit the woodwork. If we had the points our performances had deserved then this thread would probably not exist.
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/12/18/article-2525602-1A2B2A3600000578-553_634x408.jpg)
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Bicycle rack
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Ultimately our performances deserved 9 points as we haven't been good enough over a full game to win more than once.
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For the record I wouldn't be getting rid of RDM yet but I'm not giving him a free pass either.
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Ultimately our performances deserved 9 points as we haven't been good enough over a full game to win more than once.
Well we will just have to agree to disagree. I think I might bow out of this thread for a bit, I feel we're going over the same ground and I have been put off by Villadelph's holiday snap.
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Ultimately our performances deserved 9 points as we haven't been good enough over a full game to win more than once.
Well we will just have to agree to disagree. I think I might bow out of this thread for a bit, I feel we're going over the same ground and I have been put off by Villadelph's holiday snap.
Oh, come onnn. ;)
No hard feelings. I'm just a big believer in the idea that you are what the table says you are. I don't think we've had bad luck, I think we've played too poorly to warrant any better than 9 points. I don't really care if its and 88th minute collapse, or an own goal, or shots off the post.. at the end of the day it's inadequacy. Whether its the manager's fault or the player's is irrelevant.
I may be looking through a nice pair of rose tinted shades but I still think we should be thumping teams by 3 or 4 goals. The early underachieving in this campaign has really irked me. Between coming out flat, letting bad teams linger and steal points, poor lineups and substitutions.. I don't think we've been better than 9 points on 17th.
I appreciate your optimism but unfortunately I don't agree that 9 points isn't a true reflection of our efforts.
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If we fail to take three points tonight I will be calling for Tony to put Roberto Di Matteo in front of a thirty-slide PowerPoint presentation complete with bullet points containing traditional Chinese proverbs in 4-character classical Mandarin.
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if you cant see that midfield is where were losing it, you shouldn't be in the dug out.
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How could he have done a lot worse than 9 points and 9 goals in 9 league games and losing to Luton? Especially considering how crap this division is and the squad we have.
PWS- I am as frustrated as many that post on here but I worry that we will get to a 'damned if we do- damned if we don't' situation. If we did sack RDM I would imagine that the back room staff would go as well and that would surely put us back to square one with absolutely no guarantees that any one new coming in could wave a magic wand and put in place a side that could win numerous games on the trot. It sounds as though Derby may be going down the line of parting with Pearson - it will be interesting to see who they get in and if that changes their fortunes.
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I'm just a big believer in the idea that you are what the table says you are.
This time two years ago, the table said we were a Champions League side.
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I stated on here before RDM was appointed that I did not want him here BUT now if we say goodbye who do we look towards?
There are not many names out there ....I would not want Bruce
So who is left? Roy Hodgson, Neil Warnock, Steve McClaren possibly Nigel Pearson, Ian Holloway, Kenny Jackett ........... the problem now is there is little quality at this level available
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Looks like Sam Allthepies could be available pretty soon.
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I'm just a big believer in the idea that you are what the table says you are.
This time two years ago, the table said we were a Champions League side.
In 2014 we had 10 points at this stage and had just lost to QPR?
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And Pearson's just been suspended by Derby. Careful what you wish for an all that...
Give him more time..he didn't have the benefit of a full pre-season with all the players and I've seen "bits" of what we are capable of. No doubt about it, the pressure is mounting but 9 or 10 games is nothing in the grand scheme of things.
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I'm just a big believer in the idea that you are what the table says you are.
This time two years ago, the table said we were a Champions League side.
In 2014 we had 10 points at this stage and had just lost to QPR?
We were 3rd when we got turned over by Arsenal.
http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/29187273
Didn't play QPR away until Oct 27.
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I'm just a big believer in the idea that you are what the table says you are.
This time two years ago, the table said we were a Champions League side.
In 2014 we had 10 points at this stage and had just lost to QPR?
We were 3rd when we got turned over by Arsenal.
http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/29187273
Didn't play QPR away until Oct 27.
That was the 5th match of the season.. we're on round 10 today?
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I'm just a big believer in the idea that you are what the table says you are.
This time two years ago, the table said we were a Champions League side.
In 2014 we had 10 points at this stage and had just lost to QPR?
We were 3rd when we got turned over by Arsenal.
http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/29187273
Didn't play QPR away until Oct 27.
Pedant/bore alert, we'd just been beaten by Chelsea and were 6th.
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I'm just a big believer in the idea that you are what the table says you are.
This time two years ago, the table said we were a Champions League side.
In 2014 we had 10 points at this stage and had just lost to QPR?
We were 3rd when we got turned over by Arsenal.
http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/29187273
Didn't play QPR away until Oct 27.
Pedant/bore alert, we'd just been beaten by Chelsea and were 6th.
Winless in 9 after that Arsenal game
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I'm just a big believer in the idea that you are what the table says you are.
This time two years ago, the table said we were a Champions League side.
In 2014 we had 10 points at this stage and had just lost to QPR?
We were 3rd when we got turned over by Arsenal.
http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/29187273
Didn't play QPR away until Oct 27.
That was the 5th match of the season.. we're on round 10 today?
Are we playing in the cup?
So when you said 'I'm just a big believer in the idea that you are what the table says you are' you meant after 10 games?
I'll pick an equally arbitrary number. Lets say 4.
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I'm just a big believer in the idea that you are what the table says you are.
This time two years ago, the table said we were a Champions League side.
In 2014 we had 10 points at this stage and had just lost to QPR?
We were 3rd when we got turned over by Arsenal.
http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/29187273
Didn't play QPR away until Oct 27.
That was the 5th match of the season.. we're on round 10 today?
Are we playing in the cup?
So when you said 'I'm just a big believer in the idea that you are what the table says you are' you meant after 10 games?
I'll pick an equally arbitrary number. Lets say 4.
;D
Whatever, man. We're in 17th, with 9 goals in 9 games, gifting points and unable to win. Make of it what you will. If you want to call a 50m transfer window followed up by those kind of results arbitrary than so be it, I commend your patience. I have a higher standard for the club.
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Do you see how the table might not tell the full story depending on what time of year you are looking at it?
It's why the FA weren't presenting us with the trophy when we were top at Christmas under Gregory a years back and we didn't sack O'Neill when he was down towards the arse end of the table in his first season (and after spending shitloads -relative to the time).
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http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/37489071
I see Pearson has been suspended by Derby. So glad we dodged that bullet.
They really do look rubbish.
We have to keep the faith.
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Do you see how the table might not tell the full story depending on what time of year you are looking at it?
It's why the FA weren't presenting us with the trophy when we were top at Christmas under Gregory a years back and we didn't sack O'Neill when he was down towards the arse end of the table in his first season (and after spending shitloads -relative to the time).
But we're in the Championship now Kevin.. struggling to score goals, having a tough time seeing out games, unsure of who our best XI are, and still committing defensive errors. All post-spending 50m, recruiting captains and those with promotion experience. It's just not good enough.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again, this league is not as tough as some people are convincing themselves. The individual quality is very low and the collective squad quality in the league is mediocre at best. I don't have the patience for this anymore. I don't buy the "gel" excuse. Get some wins.
I think we look like a team that deserves the 9 points it's collected over 9 games. That was my original point. That first half against Newcastle was just awful.
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I hope we keep RDM just to make sure we don't end up with Pearson. Remember how he was guaranteed promotion for whoever was lucky enough to get him.......
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I hope we keep RDM just to make sure we don't end up with Pearson. Remember how he was guaranteed promotion for whoever was lucky enough to get him.......
I think RDM, Bruce and Pearson are all capable of promoting clubs.. but their management styles couldn't be more different.
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Do you see how the table might not tell the full story depending on what time of year you are looking at it?
It's why the FA weren't presenting us with the trophy when we were top at Christmas under Gregory a years back and we didn't sack O'Neill when he was down towards the arse end of the table in his first season (and after spending shitloads -relative to the time).
But we're in the Championship now Kevin.. struggling to score goals, having a tough time seeing out games, unsure of who our best XI are, and still committing defensive errors. All post-spending 50m, recruiting captains and those with promotion experience. It's just not good enough.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again, this league is not as tough as some people are convincing themselves. The individual quality is very low and the collective squad quality in the league is mediocre at best. I don't have the patience for this anymore. I don't buy the "gel" excuse. Get some wins.
I think we look like a team that deserves the 9 points it's collected over 9 games. That was my original point. That first half against Newcastle was just awful.
There are aspects of Di Matteo's management to-date that have been suspect. The formations, not signing better than Westwood, playing Championship Fantasy Football when it comes to purchases, picking Westwood and so on and so on.
But we will look like an absolute circus if we get rid now.
Give him every reasonable chance to succeed (or fail) after making that level of finance available. There is a decent argument to be made that our performances to date have merited more points. If the performance levels dip n'all (and the longer we go without a win, I'd say that's a given) he's in trouble.
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Do you see how the table might not tell the full story depending on what time of year you are looking at it?
It's why the FA weren't presenting us with the trophy when we were top at Christmas under Gregory a years back and we didn't sack O'Neill when he was down towards the arse end of the table in his first season (and after spending shitloads -relative to the time).
But we're in the Championship now Kevin.. struggling to score goals, having a tough time seeing out games, unsure of who our best XI are, and still committing defensive errors. All post-spending 50m, recruiting captains and those with promotion experience. It's just not good enough.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again, this league is not as tough as some people are convincing themselves. The individual quality is very low and the collective squad quality in the league is mediocre at best. I don't have the patience for this anymore. I don't buy the "gel" excuse. Get some wins.
I think we look like a team that deserves the 9 points it's collected over 9 games. That was my original point. That first half against Newcastle was just awful.
There are aspects of Di Matteo's management to-date that have been suspect. The formations, not signing better than Westwood, playing Championship Fantasy Football when it comes to purchases, picking Westwood and so on and so on.
But we will look like an absolute circus if we get rid now.
Give him every reasonable chance to succeed (or fail) after making that level of finance available. There is a decent argument to be made that our performances to date have merited more points. If the performance levels dip n'all (and the longer we go without a win, I'd say that's a given) he's in trouble.
I especially agree with the circus bit.
I don't think this is similar to the Sherwood situation when anyone who'd actually bothered watching Villa could see that he was completely clueless. Di Matteo is under pressure for results and a few (3?) bad performances - I still think he should be given time to get the team to gel.
That said the decision to go 3 at the back against teams playing 1 up front is a bit worrying and I don't blame anyone getting nervous.
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Taxi for RDM back to Rome ......
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I'd sack him tomorrow if we can get Big Sam in.
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My patience has run out, time to go Roberto.
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This is diabolical....if we lose on Saturday I reckon he'll be moved out with the two week break coming up.
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Can someone pull the trigger and put this clueless goon out of his misery.
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Won't somebody please make it stop.
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This is diabolical....if we lose on Saturday I reckon he'll be moved out with the two week break coming up.
Even a draw and I think he's got to go.
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Westwood on. Roberto on his bike.
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Fuck me.
It is one thing to lose goals late a couple of times. But 5 times is farcical in 10 games. No confidence in him making the decisions to see it through. Why not try getting a centre half on for Grealish and just blocking it up FFS?
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Who is the alternative to RDM then? I'm sick to death of these shitty results.
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Absolutely not good enough.
Get rid, now.
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Please get rid of this mug. That's all.
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Do you see how the table might not tell the full story depending on what time of year you are looking at it?
It's why the FA weren't presenting us with the trophy when we were top at Christmas under Gregory a years back and we didn't sack O'Neill when he was down towards the arse end of the table in his first season (and after spending shitloads -relative to the time).
But we're in the Championship now Kevin.. struggling to score goals, having a tough time seeing out games, unsure of who our best XI are, and still committing defensive errors. All post-spending 50m, recruiting captains and those with promotion experience. It's just not good enough.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again, this league is not as tough as some people are convincing themselves. The individual quality is very low and the collective squad quality in the league is mediocre at best. I don't have the patience for this anymore. I don't buy the "gel" excuse. Get some wins.
I think we look like a team that deserves the 9 points it's collected over 9 games. That was my original point. That first half against Newcastle was just awful.
There are aspects of Di Matteo's management to-date that have been suspect. The formations, not signing better than Westwood, playing Championship Fantasy Football when it comes to purchases, picking Westwood and so on and so on.
But we will look like an absolute circus if we get rid now.
Give him every reasonable chance to succeed (or fail) after making that level of finance available. There is a decent argument to be made that our performances to date have merited more points. If the performance levels dip n'all (and the longer we go without a win, I'd say that's a given) he's in trouble.
So about that circus..
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17th in the Championship. One win. Only four teams have scored fewer goals than us.
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17th in the Championship. One win. Only four teams have scored fewer goals than us.
So we don't score, and we do concede. Whichever form of football you want to see, it's not happening. Unless you like clown football, in which case knock yourself out.
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Another game against a shit side where we weren't good enough to win. We played well for about 20 mins today.
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One game left to win or he has to go.
I'd appoint Rowett or even, and I hate myself for suggesting this, Neil Warnock.
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Late goals in 50% of our games. 2 points off second from bottom. Nearly a quarter of the season gone. 50mill spent. 10 points. Crap. I didn't want him in the first place but wasn't really in the RDM out club either. However, this is tripe. The fans deserve so much better. RDM seems to lack motivational skills and an ability to see things coming. Nothing but a win at Preston will do.
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See perpetually the same game we're playing. We can only perform for an absolute maximum of a half. We cannot retain a lead and we always fail to win. It's just utterly unacceptable and there's no sign of improvement.
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Can someone pull the trigger and put this clueless goon out of his misery.
No.
Put him out of our misery.
Angry now, but he's probably got little experience of managing and motivating premenstrual school girlies.
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At the start of the season I believed we needed a manager good enough to get promoted AND do well in the top flight.
I couldn't give a fuck about the latter objective right now as the Premier League feels as far away as Alpha Centauri via the number 11 bus.
We have decent players. There is plenty of skill available to choose from.
There is no fight or character.
Neil Warnock would sort that out.
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Appointing Warnock is one of the few things we could do which would render us even more of a basket case.
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It won't improve, Di Matteo is shit. Get rid tonight
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Chris Hughton, Gary Rowett or Dean Smith please
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Appointing Warnock is one of the few things we could do which would render us even more of a basket case.
He would sort our cowardice out overnight.
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The warning signs over his tactical failures were there in the first three games. This prick never did have a track record of success, the CL win was a 'release' from the players getting their freedom back after Avb was sacked. Jeez, even they sussed di matteo out within months of the following league campaign.
It might be unpopular amongst the purists but fuck it.
Sack Roberto.
If you want promotion... Get Fat Sam before someone else does.
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Appointing Warnock is one of the few things we could do which would render us even more of a basket case.
He would sort our cowardice out overnight.
Who is he, Doctor f**king Mesmer?
Neil Warnock. Absolutely not. Oh dear god please absolutely not.
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Not for the first time, your reference is too clever for me to understand.
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Only point I'd make here is that DiMatteo was appointed prior to Steve Round getting in as technical director, would hope that Dr Tony / Wyness & Round will consider options closely before pulling the trigger.
And I have great affinity for DiMatteo as I still think he's a git for ruining our day out in 2000 :-)
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To Google...
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One game left to win or he has to go.
I'd appoint Rowett or even, and I hate myself for suggesting this, Neil Warnock.
I'd like Rowett, I fancied him for the job before RDM got it.
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Googled Dr Mesmer.
Having only read his Wikipedia page, I think he'd do a better job than Di Matteo, despite having being dead for two hundred years.
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The warning signs over his tactical failures were there in the first three games. This prick never did have a track record of success, the CL win was a 'release' from the players getting their freedom back after Avb was sacked. Jeez, even they sussed di matteo out within months of the following league campaign.
It might be unpopular amongst the purists but fuck it.
Sack Roberto.
If you want promotion... Get Fat Sam before someone else does.
I never thought I would agree with that last statement, but needs must.
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Well I'm so smart that I brought up a guy who wasn't even a hypnotist because he had 'mesmer' in his name. Ah well.
Anyway, Neil Warnock. Big Sam. Steve Bruce. Tony Pulis, presumably, at some point. In fact, I'd put money on someone saying of Pearson's sacking for losing his temper 'at least it shows he'd lay into the team' or something like that. Really, dear God, anything but this.
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No ones going to touch Allardyce for a while I reckon, he's going to be a mega target with the press for quite a while now.
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Googled Dr Mesmer.
Having only read his Wikipedia page, I think he'd do a better job than Di Matteo, despite having being dead for two hundred years.
He was very into animal magnetism, so he might make our defence more dogged.
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Times up Robbie, patience has expired and we need to get this platoon on the move before the Premier League ship sails.
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Steve Bruce.
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If we have to change, I'd like Chris Hughton. No to Warnock, crooked Sam or anyone out of the game. Let's go and upset another club and pay what it takes to get their Manager.
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Stick or twist we need to start sorting it out. We are already nearly a quarter the way through the season.
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We're 12 points behind fucking Huddersfield.
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Stick with Di Matteo please. Changing manager every ten minutes doesn't seem to have helped Leeds.
^^
This poster is a fucking idiot.
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Probably going against the grain here but I'd give him 20 games. More instability isn't what we need right now after the overhaul in the summer.
Yes we know it's not right..., missed chances, formations, chucking leads away, luck...you name it and we've had it. But this has been so abject for 6 years, another 3 months of kill or cure isn't going to make a difference. At some point we need to stick it out...we can't just keep changing managers on the basis of conceding late goals (which is really what has been our main downfall).
Not saying I'm happy with him, just that I fear for messing around with it all yet again after just 10 games.
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Well I'm so smart that I brought up a guy who wasn't even a hypnotist because he had 'mesmer' in his name. Ah well.
See, I've heard of Mesmerism. I just didn't know it was named after anyone!
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Stick a dead chipmunk in the manager's office and leave the players to work it out for themselves and you'd get 10 points and 10 goals in 10 games against the garbage we've played in this division.
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Annoyingly I can't think of a car that rhymes with Warnock. 😠
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Stick a dead chipmunk in the manager's office and leave the players to work out for themselves and you'd get 10 points and 10 goals in 10 games against the garbage we've played in this division.
Anyone take Redknapp till the end of the season considering Bond is already here?
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Annoyingly I can't think of a car that rhymes with Warnock. 😠
Tanker
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I still believe we have the best starting XI in the league, would a change of manager be that much of a risk? Could the new guy do any worse?
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We're 12 points behind fucking Huddersfield.
In the same way we were about 25 points off Watford, fucking Watford, after a short time last season, and we all know how that ended up.
This is going to be a self perpetuating shitstorm if we don't act soon.
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Aye,. It's mesmerising what's happening.
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Annoyingly I can't think of a car that rhymes with Warnock. 😠
Tanker
Ta mate.
Dr Tony went to Rotherham
In his brand new tanker.
Brought us back a manager,
Super Colin Wanker!
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Stick a dead chipmunk in the manager's office and leave the players to work out for themselves and you'd get 10 points and 10 goals in 10 games against the garbage we've played in this division.
Anyone take Redknapp till the end of the season considering Bond is already here?
FUCK NO!!
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Stick a dead chipmunk in the manager's office and leave the players to work out for themselves and you'd get 10 points and 10 goals in 10 games against the garbage we've played in this division.
Anyone take Redknapp till the end of the season considering Bond is already here?
I'd prefer to stick with the chipmunk.
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Stick a dead chipmunk in the manager's office and leave the players to work out for themselv
es and you'd get 10 points and 10 goals in 10 games against the garbage we've played in this division.
Anyone take Redknapp till the end of the season considering Bond is already here?
FUCK NO!!
Lol just gauging the level of desperation
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If we couldn't entice Eddie Howe (yeah, like that's gonna happen!) then I think we could do worse than get Rowett in.
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Annoyingly I can't think of a car that rhymes with Warnock. 😠
I don't know about that, but VW are doing a special edition of their micro car.
The AV Fuck UP!
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He was very into animal magnetism, so he might make our defence more dogged.
Let's welcome him to the monkey house!
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Somewhere in an office tower in Beijing right now, Dr Xia is smashing fuck out of anyone who even *looks* at him, he's so angry.
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Somewhere in an office tower in Beijing right now, Dr Xia is smashing fuck out of anyone who even *looks* at him, he's so angry.
The Crispy Duck has been totalled.
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Somewhere in an office tower in Beijing right now, Dr Xia is smashing fuck out of anyone who even *looks* at him, he's so angry.
The Crispy Duck has been totalled.
He's moving on to the Slurpy Noodle next.
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Somewhere in an office tower in Beijing right now, Dr Xia is smashing fuck out of anyone who even *looks* at him, he's so angry.
The Crispy Duck has been totalled.
He's moving on to the Slurpy Noodle next.
He'll get battered there. Beijing Foxes are mob handed and celebrating.
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Can we please ban the words Fat Sam, Tony Pulis, Neil Warnock, Harry Rednapp and Nigel Pearson please.
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Steve Clarke hasn't covered himself in glory either, he's supposed to be the defensive guru isn't he? We have conceded some pretty poor goals against some pretty poor teams, over and fucking over again.
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We have won as many games as Rotherham FFS.
Dean Smith been suggested and think that's a great shout. A villa lad who knows the score. Done great jobs at Walsall and Brentford to date.
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The bad stats are stats are starting to break out again.
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We have won as many games as Rotherham FFS.
Only because Warnock isn't there anymore, otherwise they'd be well clear of us.
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Well I'm so smart that I brought up a guy who wasn't even a hypnotist because he had 'mesmer' in his name. Ah well.
Anyway, Neil Warnock. Big Sam. Steve Bruce. Tony Pulis, presumably, at some point. In fact, I'd put money on someone saying of Pearson's sacking for losing his temper 'at least it shows he'd lay into the team' or something like that. Really, dear God, anything but this.
Judging by what the Telegraph are claiming you've got to think some of those are going to be caught up in the sting so wouldn't be approaching some of those for a while...
I'd give Clarke a go for a few weeks while the club identifies a proper candidate from somewhere if/when RDM is shown the door.
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He's got to go. I checked the score. We were 1-0 up. I text my mate and said that 100% nailed on, we would throw the game away in the last five minutes. I told him to put his mortgage on it. It's just an inevitability with us. I like RDM but if we make the same mistakes time and time again, and he makes poor tactical decisions every single game, then he has to pay the price. Load one in the chamber and give him the bullet.
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We have won as many games as Rotherham FFS.
Dean Smith been suggested and think that's a great shout. A villa lad who knows the score. Done great jobs at Walsall and Brentford to date.
Smith is a good shout but I'm hoping RDM can turn the draws into wins.
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Who is the alternative to RDM then? I'm sick to death of these shitty results.
As much as I don't think he's that good a manager (particularly when he actually gets given cash to improve the team which this owner isn't shy of) Steve Bruce with what 4 promotions in the last 15 years with various clubs simply has to be respected so he would be a strong candidate if he doesn't get another prem job.
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I want to give RDM more time, but that should be contingent on seeing improvements week-on-week. Sadly, it's not happening for him, Clarke and Bond. I don't want Bruce or Pearson, but maybe someone could head round to Fat Sam's house with a brown paper bag and get him on board. You know it's getting desperate when Fat Sam is the answer...but he hasn't always been dull and dour, Bolton played some nice stuff once upon a time.
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We're approaching a quarter of the season gone and we're currently 2 points above 23rd. Something has to change and soon.
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We're approaching a quarter of the season gone and we're currently 2 points above 23rd. Something has to change and soon.
Christ.
When you hear it put like that, that's fucking terrible.
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We're approaching a quarter of the season gone and we're currently 2 points above 23rd. Something has to change and soon.
Christ.
When you hear it put like that, that's fucking terrible.
How about adding out of our last 50 league games we've won 4.
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I'd love us to appoint Johnson from Bristol City.
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I think the defeat like nature of these draws mean Preston is a must win for RDM now. This cannot go on.
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We're approaching a quarter of the season gone and we're currently 2 points above 23rd. Something has to change and soon.
Amen to this.
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Stick a dead chipmunk in the manager's office and leave the players to work out for themselves and you'd get 10 points and 10 goals in 10 games against the garbage we've played in this division.
Anyone take Redknapp till the end of the season considering Bond is already here?
I would!
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No. He's a ******.
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The most obvious candidate is Steve Bruce. It's a shame I just don't think he's all that good. But he shits all over Di Matteo.
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For me it looks like the transfer window was another fuck up just like last year
Gollini young inexperience has made mistakes costing us in games
Elphick seems decent guy but looks poor ,slow not great on ball and his performance against Newcastle was as bad as anything Richards as served up
Jedinek no pace , poor passing is an older slower version of Sanchez
Adomah ..bit early but in system we play why spend 6 mil on a wide player
To me we lack pace and the spine from midfield to CB looks slow and ponderous
Our position if we were playing all the players from last season would be bad , that we are there after spending 50mil is criminal .
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No. He's a c***.
If that's in response to Redknapp, correct answer.
And as sure as we'll conceed a 92nd minute equaliser at the weekend, his name, despite the trial clearing it once, is going to turn up in any broader investigation of financially dubious trnsactions relating to player transfers. It just will.
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Elphick is crap.
He's great at the "look at me, I'm a leader, that's why I'm shouting, I even cut my head the other week" stuff but disappointingly shit at actually playing the game.
What an absolute fucking nonsense this club is.
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I'm absolutely done with RDM. I fully accept that thus wasn't going to an immediate turnaround. But it was never, ever meant to be this bad. And by bad I mean, we should be astute enough collectively to see out games. But as a manager it's simply amazing that he's learnt nothing tactically to secure points. You just knew tonight it was going to end the way that it did. If we all knew it then the manager should have been smart enough to ensure that it didn't.
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No. He's a c***.
If that's in response to Redknapp, correct answer.
And as sure as we'll conceed a 92nd minute equaliser at the weekend, his name, despite the trial clearing it once, is going to turn up in any broader investigation of financially dubious trnsactions relating to player transfers. It just will.
Could even drag his son, who's an agent, into it.
I'm very cynical about football people and the game itself, but this plumbs the depths of abject grubbiness.
He'll be a multi millionaire, but he must be as thick as pig shit to be caught out by a sting like this, saying the things he did. Hopefully he's finished now.
Somehow I doubt it.
Edit: oops, I was rambling about the recently departed England manager....
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Elphick is crap.
He's great at the "look at me, I'm a leader, that's why I'm shouting, I even cut my head the other week" stuff but disappointingly shit at actually playing the game.
What an absolute fucking nonsense this club is.
I'm beginning to agree with this. It's gaffe after gaffe yet every time we get a corner he's shouting at the fans geeing them up and he goes up in everyone's estimation. He's not as good as he thinks he is.
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I'm absolutely done with RDM. I fully accept that thus wasn't going to an immediate turnaround. But it was never, ever meant to be this bad. And by bad I mean, we should be astute enough collectively to see out games. But as a manager it's simply amazing that he's learnt nothing tactically to secure points. You just knew tonight it was going to end the way that it did. If we all knew it then the manager should have been smart enough to ensure that it didn't.
We knew that RDM has no coaching badges and his one qualification is that he is Italian and sleeper walked a team to Champions League title but what's happened to that tactical genius Clarke?
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He has Spent 50 Mil adding to the players here like Ayew who is probably the best player in this league , golden boy Jack who most clubs would love in this league and prolific championship goal scorer Rudy Rudy Rudy , not forgetting the £9 million Amavi and other ex prem internationals .
We should easily be into the top two coasting this league with the squad we have got , its quite embarrassing when you put our squad next to the brentfords and barnsleys , yet
RDM has won one game in ten in the championship beating Rotherham and out the LC against Luton.
And I dont think these teams we are playing are that good.
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The most obvious candidate is Steve Bruce. It's a shame I just don't think he's all that good. But he shits all over Di Matteo.
I'd be holding fire until the Telegraph have named their Dirty Half Dozen.
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That's a good point.
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The most obvious candidate is Steve Bruce. It's a shame I just don't think he's all that good. But he shits all over Di Matteo.
I'd be holding fire until the Telegraph have named their Dirty Half Dozen.
I think that if they were able to name them then they would have by now.
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Or they are waiting as they dig up more on them.
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Or just want to spin the story out over a few days
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I might be wrong, of course, but I doubt they'd make it so clear that they were on to them if that was the case.
Edit: look at the trajectory of the story: today, the England manager; tomorrow, 8 unnamed managers; Thurs, an assistant manager.
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Well they did originally say 8 were british of the ten suspected so given how few british managers work in the premier league over last few seasons...you don't need to be Einstein to work who some of them are.
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Please please please let one of them be Pubey. And Pardew.
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Pulis is nailed on for one of them
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Enough with managers that cant cure the failing mentality...time for Dr Tony to go get Sven out of China.
He loves England , so much he might even come to Birmingham and become the savior of Aston Villa.
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Hasn't Sven been shit for even longer than we have?
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Lambert must have been taking bungs for some of the complete dross he bought us.
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Hasn't Sven been shit for even longer than we have?
Sven would sleep with you tomorrow (and by that I mean shag) if you offered him the right amount. I think we have performed ok this season so far and I think that because we are all still so angry about last season we are not very patient as we are fed up of not winning games. But in my opinion that isn't our current managers fault. He is suffering from previous managers results. I think our performances have been OK.
Ulrika reckons he has small feet and leaves his shoes outside the hotel room apparently. (Sven not Roberto).
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Lambert must have been taking bungs for some of the complete dross he bought us.
That is a disgraceful and libelous slur against a very honest and genuine man. Who also sadly for us also happened to be quite a shit football manager. ;)
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Hopefully a number of our former managers are implicated, will be interesting to see who the manager with the big gambling habit is supposed to be
Must be more form on Big Sam's rap sheet , not sure he implicated himself enough to be fired on the evidence so far. His agent should never be allowed work in football again
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Hasn't Sven been shit for even longer than we have?
Hardly, he has been doing fine in China for some time now. He isn't cheap though...
But he has saved many clubs over the years...he has been shafted by owners a few times (Notts Co and Man C among the worst) but check his results...we would be lucky if he even consider us. Him coaching in China currently might make it possible though.
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Well he's been sacked from most jobs since England and it doesn't look like he's won anything in China, or anything since 2000, so i'll stick with it being a no from me. And with him being 68 it's an even bigger no.
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I think it's now incontestable that RDM is never going to be a good fit at Aston Villa. Please, take your £1000 suit and fuck off.
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It looks increasingly as if Steve Bruce is the sensible option of what is available.
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Hasn't Sven been shit for even longer than we have?
Hardly, he has been doing fine in China for some time now. He isn't cheap though...
But he has saved many clubs over the years...he has been shafted by owners a few times (Notts Co and Man C among the worst) but check his results...we would be lucky if he even consider us. Him coaching in China currently might make it possible though.
Sven has been poor for years. Even in China he's not been all that great. Since leaving the England job he's been average at Man City, an unmitigated disaster at Mexico, didn't get out of the first round of the World Cup for the Ivory Coast, and spent big for Leicester in the Championship only to get sacked a few months into the season. Since then he's been bouncing around a few clubs in Asia.
So it's a no from me.
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Hasn't Sven been shit for even longer than we have?
Sven would sleep with you tomorrow (and by that I mean shag) if you offered him the right amount. I think we have performed ok this season so far and I think that because we are all still so angry about last season we are not very patient as we are fed up of not winning games. But in my opinion that isn't our current managers fault. He is suffering from previous managers results. I think our performances have been OK.
Ulrika reckons he has small feet and leaves his shoes outside the hotel room apparently. (Sven not Roberto).
Those ok performances have us in a relegation battle.
We're a quarter into the season, have an abysmal record and are a club that cannot win matches. Again.
No jam tomorrow, no somebody is going to get a battering, no it will click or it will gel, it's a recipe for only one thing.
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If the criteria for the RDMs replacement include being from the UK and Championship experience, then the current options available are limited and shit. We'd most likely have to pay off RDM, the back room staff and pay compensation if we take a manager already in a job. Unfortunately I can't see RDM getting consisted results to keep him in the job for much longer.
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I don't think 10 games is long enough, hopefully we will click soon.
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Hodgson would be a better bet than Sven! I would almost be tempos by Dean Smith after watching how Brentford payed against us and the job he did at Walsall but it might be too big for him. Would be nice to have a genuine Villa fan winning games. The crowd would get right behind him. Sensibly though Bruce or Allardyce are likely to get you up.
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I don't think 10 games is long enough, hopefully we will click soon.
this time next year rodney
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I think we need to tough it out for a while yet. Number one priority for him is to find a way to keep them playing when they take the lead he can play a part by being a little smarter with his substitutions but the players must take responsibility for their own performances and stop inviting pressure.
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Too late, the doctor needs to take RDM into the room with the big leather wing back chairs, offer a large drink followed by the pearl handle revolver.
then ask for the next one
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Who's likely to be advising Xia on this - both in terms of if/when to fire RDM and then who's next?
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Sacking a manager usually means his backroom staff go as well. The players that manager has signed feel a greater sense of loyalty to him, and wont respond as well to a new man.
We would be jumping out of the frying pan into the fire.
We are scoring goals, we have a new owner who is passionate about the club and genuinely wants us to do well.
We just need that win.
Now is the wrong time to change horses.
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We aren't scoring goals though are we?
A goal a game isn't good enough.
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exactly he's had enough time and I've had enough of this 'time to gel bullshit. Bristol City loose their best player, don't spend a dime and are comfortably top six. Go figure.
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Sacking a manager usually means his backroom staff go as well. The players that manager has signed feel a greater sense of loyalty to him, and wont respond as well to a new man.
We would be jumping out of the frying pan into the fire.
We are scoring goals, we have a new owner who is passionate about the club and genuinely wants us to do well.
We just need that win.
Now is the wrong time to change horses.
From what players say they don't give a toss as long as the money keeps coming
We are averaging exactly a goal a game - don't care if we have 30 a game cleared off the line it's not enough - I've been waiting for this "spanking" we are going to give someone for 3 seasons
RDM cannot make the required decisions in-game and should be gone - he had his chance last night and blew it...
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exactly he's had enough time and I've had enough of this 'time to gel bullshit. Bristol City loose their best player, don't spend a dime and are comfortably top six. Go figure.
Les than 2 months into the season is now considered "enough time".
Bristol have a settled side, we have more or less had to start from scratch so it is not really a useful comparison.
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exactly he's had enough time and I've had enough of this 'time to gel bullshit. Bristol City loose their best player, don't spend a dime and are comfortably top six. Go figure.
Les than 2 months into the season is now considered "enough time".
Bristol have a settled side, we have more or less had to start from scratch so it is not really a useful comparison.
But we seem incapable of passing a ball accurately - where is the improvement?
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I think he will be gone by Saturday. Still leaves enough games in this league to get up.
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I think we need to tough it out for a while yet. Number one priority for him is to find a way to keep them playing when they take the lead he can play a part by being a little smarter with his substitutions but the players must take responsibility for their own performances and stop inviting pressure.
As soon as Westwood came on it began
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I think we need to tough it out for a while yet. Number one priority for him is to find a way to keep them playing when they take the lead he can play a part by being a little smarter with his substitutions but the players must take responsibility for their own performances and stop inviting pressure.
As soon as Westwood came on it began
Well he didn't play first half and we was quite crap then. We invited them to score and didn't take our chance ourselves again throughout the match. Last night was not Westwood's fault.
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Just putting this name out there.....
Ryan Giggs?
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I think we need to tough it out for a while yet. Number one priority for him is to find a way to keep them playing when they take the lead he can play a part by being a little smarter with his substitutions but the players must take responsibility for their own performances and stop inviting pressure.
As soon as Westwood came on it began
Well he didn't play first half and we was quite crap then. We invited them to score and didn't take our chance ourselves again throughout the match. Last night was not Westwood's fault.
Of course it wasn't. I'm deeply disappointed by Elphick and Jedinak at the moment. They both look rubbish and they don't appear to be offering any leadership.
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Just putting this name out there.....
Ryan Giggs?
Why, having another affair is he?
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We put Gestede up top and Adomah, who may have had a knock went off. Instantly they were able to move higher up the pitch.
He replaced Tshibola's legs instead of supplementing them with the typically anonymous and utterly pointless [ironic I know] Westwood. Jedinak was isolated as a consequence and mobility isn't his strong suit.
We retreat back and find balls are coming into our box from further up. That said, we were under no real pressure, yet conspired to boot it away.
Westwood ought to have come on for the atrocious Grealish. He didn't, we concede, was anybody surprised?
Sack him now. He's a moron of Sherwood proportions.
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Jedinak, when he receives the ball, his passing his excellent, and is mainly positive playing the ball forward
However he does lack mobility and that is what Tsh gives him and the team in midfield
When Westwood came on last night, at one point he went chasing after the ball deep into their half, and this meant that Jedinak was left isolated in midfield.
Westwood should of been told just to stay centrally in midfield and not get caught out of position
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Think its a when not if question now
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Sack him now. He's a moron of Sherwood proportions.
I'm starting to think Sherwood could do a better job
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Just putting this name out there.....
Ryan Giggs?
Ermmm... no. Let him learn the ropes at smaller clubs and earn the right to manage a club of our stature.
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Just putting this name out there.....
Ryan Giggs?
Ermmm... no. Let him learn the ropes at smaller clubs and earn the right to manage a club of our stature.
Yeah, because we are really in a position to be picky arnt we?
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Forget the negative PR. Get Fat Sam, at least he may just about stand a chance of fixing the shit.
It seems rash to want RDM gone, but now we are already staring down the barrel of another year in this league. Which can't be afforded given the money spent, and the financial disparity that would create with the price money difference
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Just putting this name out there.....
Ryan Giggs?
Ermmm... no. Let him learn the ropes at smaller clubs and earn the right to manage a club of our stature.
Yeah, because we are really in a position to be picky arnt we?
I think we can be picky enough to not choose somebody who has next to no experience.
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why the fuck would we want to employ a devious, greedy lying sack of shit like Fat Sam?
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why the fuck would we want to employ a devious, greedy lying sack of shit like Fat Sam?
Maybe because he's better at doing the job than any of the other devious, greedy lying sacks of shit?
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Just putting this name out there.....
Ryan Giggs?
Ermmm... no. Let him learn the ropes at smaller clubs and earn the right to manage a club of our stature.
Yeah, because we are really in a position to be picky arnt we?
Yes we are.
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Name a better candidate for the job. I don't care if he is a piece of shit if he somehow sneaked a playoff win.
And I do agree, he is a sack of turd as a person.
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Just putting this name out there.....
Ryan Giggs?
Ermmm... no. Let him learn the ropes at smaller clubs and earn the right to manage a club of our stature.
Yeah, because we are really in a position to be picky arnt we?
Yes we are.
I would hope so. Giggs is as inspirational as wallpaper paste.
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Dean Smith or Potato Head for me.
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Rowett has done a great job at the Noses.
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How dreadful are we that Gary Rowett and Steve Bruce look like good alternatives.
And it's not as if Bruce has improved with age. We have merely regressed so much that the type of stodgy, workmanlike organisation he would bring is light years ahead of what we are currently doing.
Rowett has no European Cups to his name -or even a promotion. And his association with that lot down the road won't help.
But he has got a club that is an even bigger basket case than this one competitive at this level. You could make the case that he is a manager on the up, rather than one dining out on past success. But Christ, it's not exactly inspiring, is it.
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Just putting this name out there.....
Ryan Giggs?
Ermmm... no. Let him learn the ropes at smaller clubs and earn the right to manage a club of our stature.
Yeah, because we are really in a position to be picky arnt we?
Yes we are.
I wish I shared your optimism
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Dean Smith or Potato Head for me.
If we go down the route of binning RDM and appointing someone with potential who comes to us as a step up, Dean Smith has to be in with a chance. Had Walsall punching well above their weight, and has got Brentford to 4th in the table.
Having said that, if RDM does go, I'd go for Roy Hodgson. He'd get the side well-organised and with the amount of good attacking players in the squad that should be enough to see us at least into the play-offs, even with our ropey start in mind.
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I'd imagine if RDM does go, Clarke will be given the opportunity to take control as Caretaker Manager, then depending on results, offered the job. Steve Round and Sir Brian would probably approve the move as the least disruptive to the team.
One thing I'm pretty sure on is Dr Xia has bet the bank on automatic promotion. I can't for a minute think he's allowed the club to spend so much in the summer without truly expecting us to be promoted. Bringing in a new man would mean you expect him to hit the ground running with a squad he doesn't know when in reality he'd need time, something we don't have.
One thing I have noticed and found very strange is how Clarke seems routed to his seat in the dug out during games. Even Bond was up on his feet the other week. Maybe it's under instruction from RDM but as he himself is hardly the most animated manager on the touchline, it does seem rather odd.
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I would be inclined to go with Brian Little as Manager, at least until the end of the season. Glen Hoddle has also been someone who I have no doubts about doing a good job but wonder why he never seems to get anywhere near being appointed when vacancies arise?
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Little doesn't need to be involved in this mess, he's done his time and is best remembered for what he was.
Clarke hasn't worked with Di Matteo before as far as I'm aware has he? If that's the case I doubt there's any loyalty involved there and he wouldn't mind the job himself when RDM gets the chop after another draw the weekend.
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Clarke's about as useless as RDM why bother swopping the organ grinder for the monkey.
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I have come, through frustration and fatigue, to letting the owner get on with whatever he wants to do. It is his money they are pissing up the wall. I think Tony cares, let him make the decision on RDM.
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Rowett has done a great job at the Noses.
Bood him last night and sang you don't know what your doing when he made a sub, that sub scored then they sang one Gary Rowett
Fickle wankers
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All the arguments in favour of Bruce - Steve Bruce, let's not forget - are taking the exact same form that the arguments for RDM took: nobody can actually give any reasons why he's good other than 'he's been promoted before'.
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Just putting this name out there.....
Ryan Giggs?
Ermmm... no. Let him learn the ropes at smaller clubs and earn the right to manage a club of our stature.
Yeah, because we are really in a position to be picky arnt we?
Yes we are.
I wish I shared your optimism
I don't think you have to be Polyanna to believe that a club with money to spend and that will give any incumbent manager a seven-figure salary, can do better than appointing a bloke whose sole managerial experience is sitting next to Louis van Gaal on the bench looking gormless while Man United limped to seventh place.
In any case he seems, thankfully, to be heading to Swansea.
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I don't care anymore, put Tom Hanks in charge. Just make it stop.
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I've no idea to be honest. The malaise seems so deep, we seem so psychologically scared that I'm wondering whether a reincarnation of Shankly, Stein and Rinus Michels would struggle to sort us out.
Allerdyce is damaged goods for a few months Atleast while Bruce, with this squad, I'm not sure. I hope RDM can pull it around but I do admire what Rowett has done at Blose.
The short term laugh at us clicking our fingers to see him running to B6 would be a giggle too (and a little immature but who cares when you're currently 3 in 48)
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It wouldn't be pretty, but it would be between Bruce and Allardyce for me.
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It wouldn't be pretty, but it would be between Bruce and Allardyce for me.
If, as seems likely the fall out from England & the Telegraph stuff leads eventually to a criminal investigation at least one of those two great mates will be involved - not sure I'd touch either with a barge pole to be fair.
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Bruce will presumably have one eye on the England job at the moment and Big Sam will be trying to keep a low profile for a few months. The likes of Rowett and Howe would be absolutely potty to jump ship at this moment in time so think the interim solution would be to give Clarke a go on a caretaker basis and see if he get any more out of this talented squad than RDM can.
It would be hard to get any less out of them on current form...
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Roberto Mancini. Sure, it won't happen, but hey neither will Allardyce.
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Dean Smith. His Brentford team are 4th in the Division. They played some good stuff at VP a few weeks ago. And he's a Villa Fan.
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I almost don't have an opinion on the new manager this time. No idea who would be gettable, little faith in it making any difference. My indifference has reached new depths.
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Gary Rowett
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It wouldn't be pretty, but it would be between Bruce and Allardyce for me.
Understatement of the year mate,
Ugly, very ugly.
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It wouldn't be pretty, but it would be between Bruce and Allardyce for me.
each to their own, but it wouldn't be my dream threesome.
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Just putting this name out there.....
Ryan Giggs?
Ermmm... no. Let him learn the ropes at smaller clubs and earn the right to manage a club of our stature.
Yeah, because we are really in a position to be picky arnt we?
Yes we are.
I wish I shared your optimism
I don't think you have to be Polyanna to believe that a club with money to spend and that will give any incumbent manager a seven-figure salary, can do better than appointing a bloke whose sole managerial experience is sitting next to Louis van Gaal on the bench looking gormless while Man United limped to seventh place.
In any case he seems, thankfully, to be heading to Swansea.
Then again, not once have I said I wanted him
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It wouldn't be pretty, but it would be between Bruce and Allardyce for me.
Understatement of the year mate,
Ugly, very ugly.
it's a proper Hobson's choice is that
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It wouldn't be pretty, but it would be between Bruce and Allardyce for me.
Understatement of the year mate,
Ugly, very ugly.
it's a proper Hobson's choice is that
No it isn't.
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I always understood Hobson's Choice to be no real choice at all?
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If and when the trigger is pulled I sincerely hope the good doctor and his team will come up with something more imaginative than Bruce, Allardyce or Pearson - if they're looking at that lot they may as well throw Colin Wanker and Alan Curbishley in the hat, as well as Pulis when the new Chinese owners dispense with his services. I envied Southampton when they got Pocchetino (who I'd never heard of at the time tbh), and when they lost him to Spuds they followed up with Koeman and now Puel. I know we won't be able to attract really top managers while we're in the Championship but I would hope the new board have already been researching some succession planning options beyond the same old merry-go-round of ex-Championship managers. I really thought that RdM with Clarke was a good choice at the time - looks like I was wrong
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I always understood Hobson's Choice to be no real choice at all?
I think it's best summed up "take it or leave it".
So your choice is basically having the one thing being offered or having nothing.
Edit: a bit of research suggests that a choice where the options are equally undesirable is Morton's Fork.
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All the arguments in favour of Bruce - Steve Bruce, let's not forget - are taking the exact same form that the arguments for RDM took: nobody can actually give any reasons why he's good other than 'he's been promoted before'.
He has but he's done it a lot of times, Blues x 2 Hull City x 2, admitidly he does wear out himself but if he got us up I wouldn't care what happened afterwards
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Take a chance on one of the younger Championship managers from one of the clubs we've played who have out thought RDM with their strategy and style of play.
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All the arguments in favour of Bruce - Steve Bruce, let's not forget - are taking the exact same form that the arguments for RDM took: nobody can actually give any reasons why he's good other than 'he's been promoted before'.
He has but he's done it a lot of times, Blues x 2 Hull City x 2, admitidly he does wear out himself but if he got us up I wouldn't care what happened afterwards
So either quite a while ago, with squads absolutely nothing like ours, or both, as far as I see it.
I think we need to hire a manager who has shown they can get the best out of a group of players like ours. Giving these guys Steve Bruce would be as weird as giving Pulis' squad to Pep, or players like Gil and Veretout to some self-serving ghost of tactics' past.
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Might be judicious to run any potential new manager past the Torygraph first ;)
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Take a chance on one of the younger Championship managers from one of the clubs we've played who have out thought RDM with their strategy and style of play.
Sorry, no, that would be the manager equivalent of spending a gazillion pounds on junior hoilett a few years ago and building a team round him. For me the stakes are too high and we should be throwing money at a manager that is so clearly elevated above his peers in this league that he is an almost guaranteed success. Anything else risks more payoffs for failure and years of turmoil.
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Remember Agent Dave? He's tweeting it's Dean Smith.
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Would have no problem with dean Smith ....firstly he is a Villa fan ....... doing an excellent job at Brentford following what he did at Walsall
He knows football at this level and appears to be able to change things round during a game
Send that Mondeo to Brentford
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bruce or pulis would do the job.
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I like Lee Johnson at Bristol City, he certainly conducts himself well and plays football as I hoped that RDM would have done.
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Would have no problem with dean Smith ....firstly he is a Villa fan ....... doing an excellent job at Brentford following what he did at Walsall
He knows football at this level and appears to be able to change things round during a game
Send that Mondeo to Brentford
Yes and I can imagine the bellends that are amongst our support going 'who the fuck is he?', he'd be hung out to dry at the first sign of a loss. Not to mention if our players would even respect him knowing how fussy some modern day footballers are
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Just as long as Steve Round doesn't get chatting to one of his fellow students.
Be afraid (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37318373)
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I'd love Dean Smith to be a success as our manager but I'd hate him to fail. There's no more decent man in football and it would be terrible to have his career ruined here.
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I'd love Dean Smith to be a success as our manager but I'd hate him to fail. There's no more decent man in football and it would be terrible to have his career ruined here.
My thoughts entirely. He's doing a fine job at Brentford.
What a story it would be though.
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I briefly met Dean Smith at a Bham Senior cup game last year, nice guy, I'd have a suspicion that this might be a bit too soon for him though.
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I want Fat Sam here, about time he managed a big club.
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I don't have any sympathy for him because he's quite simply conducted himself like an idiot, but if we want to get promoted at the first time of asking then Fat Sam is undoubtedly the best option available. His reputation has been tarnished and it will be a brave move for us to make the appointment for many reasons, but he's going to manage another club sooner rather than later, so resurrecting Villa from the Championship graveyard would suit both parties.
With the players at his disposal he should be able to get us playing decent football, and more importantly get results by whatever means necessary...it won't be pretty at times, but he's no where near as bad as someone like Pulis.
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I don't have any sympathy for him because he's quite simply conducted himself like an idiot, but if we want to get promoted at the first time of asking then Fat Sam is undoubtedly the best option available. His reputation has been tarnished and it will be a brave move for us to make the appointment for many reasons, but he's going to manage another club sooner rather than later, so resurrecting Villa from the Championship graveyard would suit both parties.
With the players at his disposal he should be able to get us playing decent football, and more importantly get results by whatever means necessary...it won't be pretty at times, but he's no where near as bad as someone like Pulis.
is that the pulis who got stoke up, kept them up and got to the fa cup final, kept up a shit palace side and ditto at the bitters?
yes his football may be shit to watch but fuck me we have hardly been good to watch over the past 5 seasons.
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I don't have any sympathy for him because he's quite simply conducted himself like an idiot, but if we want to get promoted at the first time of asking then Fat Sam is undoubtedly the best option available. His reputation has been tarnished and it will be a brave move for us to make the appointment for many reasons, but he's going to manage another club sooner rather than later, so resurrecting Villa from the Championship graveyard would suit both parties.
With the players at his disposal he should be able to get us playing decent football, and more importantly get results by whatever means necessary...it won't be pretty at times, but he's no where near as bad as someone like Pulis.
is that the pulis who got stoke up, kept them up and got to the fa cup final, kept up a shit palace side and ditto at the bitters?
yes his football may be shit to watch but fuck me we have hardly been good to watch over the past 5 seasons.
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he's so good even the bitters have had enough of him and want rid
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Yes...but I think you've lost the point I was trying to make by going all pro-Pulis. I've read of lot of comments on here from ppl saying they would rather get relegated than watch the shit that Pulis turns out, and Fat Sam more often than not gets tarnished with the same brush...my point is that Fat Sam wouldn't be quite so bad in terms of being watchable, and I would expect both managers to be able to achieve the same kind of results...as opposed to RDM who appears almost as clueless as Sherwood.
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Bruce, Alladyce, Pulis ... not for me; I'm out.
Seriously, I won't be going to watch a team managed by these guys, however experienced they are at getting teams out of the shit.
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Was the football at West Ham whilst Fat Sam in charge really that bad? I'm pretty sure they played some decent stuff even if the natives got overly restless down there.
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Would have no problem with dean Smith ....firstly he is a Villa fan ....... doing an excellent job at Brentford following what he did at Walsall
He knows football at this level and appears to be able to change things round during a game
Send that Mondeo to Brentford
On the list of reasons to be considered to be our manager, being a Villa fan should be somewhere below being able to warn all the laughing gas suppliers in a 200 mile radius of Birmingham to stay away from Grealish or else, but above the ability to replicate the Steve Harrison wradrobe trick.
It is totally, utterly and completely irrelevant, right up until the point it inevitably goes wrong, and even 10 years of unbridled success will ususally end in a fuck up of van Gaal proportions, at which point it's the second thing thrown in his face after results.
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If you think it can't get any worse:
Sunday 30th October- Birmingham City v Aston Villa.
Pull the trigger now.
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Bruce, Alladyce, Pulis ... not for me; I'm out.
Seriously, I won't be going to watch a team managed by these guys, however experienced they are at getting teams out of the shit.
whereas we have had the excitement of watching a rdm team, a black team, a garde team, a sherwood team, a lambert team, a mcleish team ::)
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Pulis, no.
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I'm not lobbying for Sam, Pulis or Pearson but I would really like a manager with some venom. Someone who will literally shove a boot up your ass. I just don't think these softies are cutting it for us. (garde, rdm, lambert, black, etc.) There's no fear of the blow dryer.
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I could just about tolerate Allardyce if he wasn't corrupt, but i'd rather end up in the Conference than ever have Pulis or Pearson at the club.
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I could just about tolerate Allardyce if he wasn't corrupt, but i'd rather end up in the Conference than ever have Pulis or Pearson at the club.
Yep same. Pulis would be unbearable and Pearson is a useless lunatic.
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Bruce, Alladyce, Pulis ... not for me; I'm out.
Seriously, I won't be going to watch a team managed by these guys, however experienced they are at getting teams out of the shit.
whereas we have had the excitement of watching a rdm team, a black team, a garde team, a sherwood team, a lambert team, a mcleish team ::)
It was more fun watching Black Books, that's for sure.
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My worry is that Tony would want another 'name' to appeal to Asia. Gullit is available!
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Black Books was quality.
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My worry is that Tony would want another 'name' to appeal to Asia. Gullit is available!
LVG!
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are you mad? Look what shit he served up at Yanited!
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are you mad? Look what shit he served up at Yanited!
Mancini it is then!
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Guess Pearson is starting to look like damage goods right now, but I still see him improving us and does tick all the boxes. The likes of Bruce or Big Mick would be good shorts (yes I know I will get stick for that one but I don't care he has proven himself time and again at this level :P).
If we could get him Moyes would be perfect (yes I'm a broken record I know! ;)) but I expect him to see the season out at Sunderland and attempt to do the impossible.
As I've said elsewhere unless things get truly dire I think we should give RDM the season.
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Pearson would improve us? Seriously? He's been an utter disaster.
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Like he improved Derby? Even before he showed he is a disaster waiting to happen because he's a twat, they had scored 3 goals in 9 league games. As soon he they ditched him they won.
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Win or bust for Robbie today
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Agree. Tony Xia is not going to write off a whole season. Whatever your view of RDM, the owner is not the yawning pussycat Lerner was.
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I find in quite bizarre that even with the evidence of his time at Derby some people still can't see that Pearson is rubbish. Add to that the fact he is a violent bully and I can't understand why anyone would want him near the club.
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No win today and it's time for a quiet walk round the Dr's rose garden. 1 win in 12 playing against teams who have spent the equivalent of Kodjias wages would be abysmal.
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it's already abysmal. Looking forward to today though
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When RDM gets the boot - be it sooner of later - I'd go for a replacement who's been discreetly 'sounded out' as to whether or not they actually want the job. The thought of making an approach for a specific manager which ends in a decisive rebuke makes me cringe - since subsequent candidates will realise that they are essentially down the proverbial pecking order. As much as I loath & detest all things connected to the Sty dwellers, my feeling is that Gary Rowett would be an excellent choice for us and he's a man who, I believe, is very getable.
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When RDM gets the boot - be it sooner of later - I'd go for a replacement who's been discreetly 'sounded out' as to whether or not they actually want the job. The thought of making an approach for a specific manager which ends in a decisive rebuke makes me cringe - since subsequent candidates will realise that they are essentially down the proverbial pecking order. As much as I loath & detest all things connected to the Sty dwellers, my feeling is that Gary Rowett would be an excellent choice for us and he's a man who, I believe, is very getable.
Agree with this it is really annoying when managers turn us down (I'm still annoyed at Warnock for deciding to stay at Notts County when we approached him).
Also agree Rowett would be both a good choice and getable.
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When RDM gets the boot - be it sooner of later - I'd go for a replacement who's been discreetly 'sounded out' as to whether or not they actually want the job. The thought of making an approach for a specific manager which ends in a decisive rebuke makes me cringe - since subsequent candidates will realise that they are essentially down the proverbial pecking order. As much as I loath & detest all things connected to the Sty dwellers, my feeling is that Gary Rowett would be an excellent choice for us and he's a man who, I believe, is very getable.
seconded
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When RDM gets the boot - be it sooner of later - I'd go for a replacement who's been discreetly 'sounded out' as to whether or not they actually want the job. The thought of making an approach for a specific manager which ends in a decisive rebuke makes me cringe - since subsequent candidates will realise that they are essentially down the proverbial pecking order. As much as I loath & detest all things connected to the Sty dwellers, my feeling is that Gary Rowett would be an excellent choice for us and he's a man who, I believe, is very getable.
Agree with this it is really annoying when managers turn us down (I'm still annoyed at Warnock for deciding to stay at Notts County when we approached him).
Also agree Rowett would be both a good choice and getable.
erm No.
I wasn't against Alex Mcleish when he became Villa manager, and I felt sorry for him, with all the shit he got from everywhere, So although Rowett is getting that lot some lime light, I have to say no because "we" do have some supporters that just wont give the bloke a chance, and when the momentum party swings into action all kinds of shit goes down.
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I was against McLeish because he was shit and just got relegated playing shit football. If he had done well the fans would have loved him.
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I agree with you auntie, we can trace a lot of our downfall to the late unlamented Randy Lerner becoming frustrated by being knocked back by successive potential managers and jumping in his jet to Corsica to bring back Alex McLeish. That was the very beginning of our policy of reduced expectations. And it had nothing to do with Small Heath, he was a piss poor, dull as ditchwater, thick as a brick football manager.
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he was as dull as ditchwater manager but the fact he came from them did not help among a lot of our fans, maybe not so many on this site but amongst Villa fans as a whole it was an issue
the fact Mcliesh had been there a while had won promotion and delivered their first trophy in a age meant he was seen as a blue nose manager, but I suppose that's the reason Randy saw fit to go and get him in the first place
However Rowett it a different matter, he's not been there all that long and he is a Villa fan, it would inevitably be seen as a wrong move by some because of where he is coming from but I don't think it would be anything like as negative
The biggest difference between the two is Mcliesh was always a manager who's teams did not inspire good football and were a punishment to watch, much the same as we have been for years now,
Rowett at least is not seen as that sort of manager
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When RDM gets the boot - be it sooner of later - I'd go for a replacement who's been discreetly 'sounded out' as to whether or not they actually want the job. The thought of making an approach for a specific manager which ends in a decisive rebuke makes me cringe - since subsequent candidates will realise that they are essentially down the proverbial pecking order. As much as I loath & detest all things connected to the Sty dwellers, my feeling is that Gary Rowett would be an excellent choice for us and he's a man who, I believe, is very getable.
Who would want to manage a club where it's fans want you out after less than a dozen games?
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I was against McLeish because he was shit and just got relegated playing shit football. If he had done well the fans would have loved him.
Indeed. Success on the pitch nearly always gets the doubters & haters onside fairly sharply. Give me a winning incumbent from our despised rivals rather than an uncontroversial loser any day.
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When RDM gets the boot - be it sooner of later - I'd go for a replacement who's been discreetly 'sounded out' as to whether or not they actually want the job. The thought of making an approach for a specific manager which ends in a decisive rebuke makes me cringe - since subsequent candidates will realise that they are essentially down the proverbial pecking order. As much as I loath & detest all things connected to the Sty dwellers, my feeling is that Gary Rowett would be an excellent choice for us and he's a man who, I believe, is very getable.
Who would want to manage a club where it's fans want you out after less than a dozen games?
Maybe a person who has the required skill & belief in their own abilities: who recognises that success on the park will placate the doubters?
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yes, fans only want a manager out after a dozen games because they are shite and show no sign of being able to rectify mistakes. IMHO I don't think RDM gets Villa, people like Rowlett and Dean Smith so.
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er, Rowlett and Smith do!
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As many very respected posters on this forum pointed out at the time, if Alex McLeish had come to us and done well, all but a very, very small minority of Villa fans would have been overjoyed to have pinched him from Small Heath. We would never have let them forget it. But he did not. He came and he put in motion the slide we are paying for to this very day.
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er, Rowlett and Smith do!
Would that be Gerry Rowlett: the little-known, dyslexic, Gary Rowett impersonator?
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no
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Bloody good manager that Gerry Rowlett. Good player too until he got weight problems. Rowlett the Barrel was cruel and unkind.
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Bloody good manager that Gerry Rowlett. Good player too until he got weight problems. Rowlett the Barrel was cruel and unkind.
Then there was his habit of yelling for a pass all the time.
The guys called him, 'Let Me Rowlett'
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He had a son who was never quite as good as his dad. He became a match official. Rowlett the lino.
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I see parallels in both the McLeish and Di Matteo appointments.
They both follow a painting by numbers approach to recruitment.
In McLeish's case:
*Experience of managing a big club (Rangers, not the tramps down the road) - check
*Previous success/ silverware - check, at Rangers and B-lose
*Able to operate on a budget our 2011 reality - check
With the added bonus that he had international management experience as well. Lerner, attempting to be pragmatic about the whole thing and divorcing the B-lose aspect, thought how can we possibly not go for this guy. Particularly as he WANTS the job and had always spoken in glowing terms about the club.
All that ignores the god-awful football he has inflicted on the world since at least 2007, the fact that he somehow managed to finish third in a two-horse race in Scotland and that the B-lose owners were sharpening the axe after another dismal relegation. Yet we saved a club close to administration having to fork out compo to him. By paying them £2 million instead. Barking.
In Di Matteo's case:
*Previous Championship experience - check
*Previous promotion experience - check
*Top flight experience - check
And as an added bonus, he was also caretaker manager when Chelsea won the biggest one of them all. Throw in a bit of Bundesliga experience too, and it is easy to see why he would have more appeal in Asian markets than Bruce, Pearson and the other names being touted last summer.
Not as barking as the McLeish appointment, but it dos ignore that Olbiyun -who are not known for being impulsive when it comes to the tin tack- ditched him not long after going up. At both MK Dons and Olbiyun he very definitely had the reputation as a hands off manager. Higher up the food chain at Chelsea, you might just about get away with that for a few months, as you are dealing with better professionals (JT apart). That was a squad consistently used to getting to the latter stages of the Champions League. After following a more abrasive figure like Benitez, the short-term Sherwood approach (but with a happy ending in their case) was probably ideal.
We didn't need hands-off. We needed a manager prepared to don the hazmat suit after our Chernobyl-style meltdown last year.
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Nice summary KG.
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Seeing the starting line up, I reckon he has just taken off the safety catch.
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With what we have on the bench it's a very strange one.
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That is a very Black ish team selection. Whiff of the CV protection about it.
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With the bench he has its more of a Timmy time selection. Barking.
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This has to be it. He has to be fired.
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BANG.
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Pull it Tone...
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Got to be done, unless Dr Tone likes losing money and looking an idiot. Which I have the feeling he doesn't and isn't.
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Donkey and cart for RDM - a taxi's too good
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Donkey and cart for RDM - a taxi's too good
BFH.
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Let's rename this thread to when Dr T pulls the trigger
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So long, and thanks for all the pesce.
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Fuck off RDM.
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Get him out. He's bloody clueless.
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Less than a point a game and we're playing sides that are utter garbage. The fuckwit should be sacked before he leaves Deepdale.
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Oh and it's 9 league games without a win. The only side we've beaten this season are bottom of the league. We are 19th, 2 points off the bottom 3 and with half the points of sha.
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Yep, it's now a gotsta go situation
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Hope to see him sacked tonight
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Oh and it's 9 league games without a win. The only side we've beaten this season are bottom of the league. We are 19th, 2 points off the bottom 3 and with half the points of sha.
It's all good otherwise though right?
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Hope to see him sacked tonight
Hope to see him sacked this afternoon.
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Hope to see him sacked tonight
Hope to see him sacked this afternoon.
Me too. At worst when I wake tomorrow the guilotine has already fallen. This is simply way beyond acceptable and a complete failure by RDM and Clarke.
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Today was as bad as anything we served up last season. It's a special talent to still be as shit in a league full of garbage.
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Dr Tonys lack of football experience might mean a long wait.
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Has he had enough time - maybe not.
The problem is we seem to be getting worse not better. The team look disjointed, some of the selections are baffling and we have spent the best part of 50m.
Get rid, and use the next coup!e of weeks getting the team organised.
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Tone might be a novice, but Wyness isn't.
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Tone might be a novice, but Wyness isn't.
Good point, KG.
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well
taking positives, from that load of bolox
that should do it,
Beg Fat ed NOW!!!
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This is exactly the same time as last season where we should have sacked Sherwood and got Alladyce in. No messing, get him in with all of his rule breaking/bending.
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Sod off Di Matteo. Right Now.
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That's it for me.
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That's it for me.
Me too. He's lost it.
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Sam might well be facing a lengthy ban though - difficult to bend broken rules on that one
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No need to panic. He's just said he's got faith in the team and we will come good.
RDM not Tony
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He hasn't got a f**king clue, worse of the lot considering the amount of money he has had!
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No need to panic. He's just said he's got faith in the team and we will come good.
RDM not Tony
Awwww thanks Roberto, that's absulutely brilliant news. My seething derision I've aimed at you this afternoon is now cheerfully placated.
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just shows what towering hubris the sack of shit has.
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Sadly yes.
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Tone might be a novice, but Wyness isn't.
So you want RDM out, then?
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Think we're stuck with him for a bit longer 😡
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I think he deserves a bit more time. Having voted in the poll I seem to be somewhat in the minority to say the least. I feel like I have voted in a poll asking if I wanted Hitler and the Germans to win World War 2 and me being one of the few saying "Hey, you never know maybe we should have give him a chance to rule us for a while and see how it goes"!
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seriously, why? There is not one scintilla of evidence to suggest he has any ability to select, motivate and lead a team of players who can win.
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a bit more time?
fuck me next week at bh he will probably have them training with a rugby ball or playing rounders
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The only evidence any one needs to justify sacking RDM is by looking at the table...11 games played, 10 pts, 1 win, 7 draws, 3 defeats makes for grim reading even if you are generous with the time required to gel players after spending £50-60m in the summer. If you want more justification then look at the starting lineups, formations, tactics and subs...RDM and the backroom staff are clearly fuckin useless.
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Absolute sack of shit devoid of any ideas how to make these players he bought for tens of millions in to a team. We look a first division rabble. If he's still here in a week then we've wrote the season off and have another 35 games of him trying to guess where his arsehole is. Useless man.
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I've been all for giving managers time in the past but this guy is an absolute chancer. Where is the philosophy? A system and a style of play? At least some signs that we've actually got a plan but no, he's offering absolutely nothing and we're getting worse. For someone who played central midfield you would think he might be able to sort that area out but the midfield we've got currently is nothing short of a disgrace. Get rid.
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Clearly there was a reason why Schalke binned RDM after 7 months; followed by a year or so of him rattling around his gaff in Leamington. The man's a fecking chancer - and trust Villa to give him the managerial gig & a pot of cash to blow. Deary me.
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Absolute sack of shit devoid of any ideas how to make these players he bought for tens of millions in to a team. We look a first division rabble. If he's still here in a week then we've wrote the season off and have another 35 games of him trying to guess where his arsehole is. Useless man.
It would be much easier if we just had a 'Like' button for posts like this.
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Clearly there was a reason why Schalke binned RDM after 7 months; followed by year or so of him rattling around his gaff in Leamington. The man's a fecking chancer - and trust Villa to give him the managerial gig & a pot of cash to blow. Deary me.
Yes. Sorry Dr Xia you may be a Billionaire but you fucked up big time appointing this muppet as out Manager.
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I have now joined the get rid brigade even though I thought before he should be given more time. Thing is, it seems a complete lottery-I no longer have any idea what makes a good manager.
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Clearly there was a reason why Schalke binned RDM after 7 months; followed by year or so of him rattling around his gaff in Leamington. The man's a fecking chancer - and trust Villa to give him the managerial gig & a pot of cash to blow. Deary me.
Yes. Sorry Dr Xia you may be a Billionaire but you fucked up big time appointing this muppet as out Manager.
Agree with this, but where the fuck is Steve Clarke in all of this? He has been totally anonymous: I thought we were getting a 2+2=5 deal with these guys.
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Steve Clarke hasn't moved since he joined us, he looks like a guy Fawkes dummy we've made of him and plonked on the bench, a real air of couldntgiveafuckness from his direction.
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Clearly there was a reason why Schalke binned RDM after 7 months; followed by year or so of him rattling around his gaff in Leamington. The man's a fecking chancer - and trust Villa to give him the managerial gig & a pot of cash to blow. Deary me.
Yes. Sorry Dr Xia you may be a Billionaire but you fucked up big time appointing this muppet as out Manager.
Agree with this, but where the fuck is Steve Clarke in all of this? He has been totally anonymous: I thought we were getting a 2+2=5 deal with these guys.
See also Ray Wilkins. There is something inexplicably rotten at the Villa. It's like people think they can come here and get away with doing jack shit. It's incredibly depressing and worrying and I just don't see how we are going to arrest this spiral of decline
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Depends wat the Dr finds acceptable?
If its staying the division after a flirt with relegation then fine, he should just about manage that. If it's any prospect of squeaking into the play offs then now is the time for a change.
Bruce or Rowett.
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Same shit different week. Just give the guy the bullet before we stare down the league 1 barrel
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Clearly there was a reason why Schalke binned RDM after 7 months; followed by year or so of him rattling around his gaff in Leamington. The man's a fecking chancer - and trust Villa to give him the managerial gig & a pot of cash to blow. Deary me.
Yes. Sorry Dr Xia you may be a Billionaire but you fucked up big time appointing this muppet as out Manager.
Agree with this, but where the fuck is Steve Clarke in all of this? He has been totally anonymous: I thought we were getting a 2+2=5 deal with these guys.
See also Ray Wilkins. There is something inexplicably rotten at the Villa. It's like people think they can come here and get away with doing jack shit. It's incredibly depressing and worrying and I just don't see how we are going to arrest this spiral of decline
Ain't that the truth. The trouble is they CAN come here & get away with doing Jackie-S! I was hoping that after the catalogue of dreadful managerial appointments during Lerner's abject ownership, things would take a turn for the better. How wrong could I have been?! Well, evidently not any wronger. :(
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Bruce
Don't bring me down! :(
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I don't normally advocate the sacking of the manager, especially with our turnover since O'Neill walked out as we're never going to get any stability. However, given the money spent on a squad who on paper should at the very least be in the top 8 and after allowing for the fact that such a huge overhaul requires time for the players to gel as a unit, this cannot be allowed to continue. One win in eleven games in this division is simply unacceptable. It's an international break and is the ideal time to make the change. He has to go today. Bruce for me.
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Can RDM and Clarke switch positions for a couple of games and see what happens. No compensation necessary?
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indivisible shiteness.
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Can RDM and Clarke switch positions for a couple of games and see what happens. No compensation necessary?
Clarke's last job at Reading he was sacked for being a bit shit if I recall right.
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Who are the seven Blues fans here that voted to keep him?
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/10/02/roberto-di-matteo-set-to-be-sacked-by-aston-villa-this-weekend/
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/10/02/roberto-di-matteo-set-to-be-sacked-by-aston-villa-this-weekend/
Percy is generally on the mark with the Villa.
Prising someone currently in work may be tricky. Big few days for Wyness and Round I think.
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/10/02/roberto-di-matteo-set-to-be-sacked-by-aston-villa-this-weekend/
Percy is generally on the mark with the Villa.
Prising someone currently in work may be tricky. Big few days for Wyness and Round I think.
Percy is no more accurate than anyone else but for some reason is regarded as borderline infallible.
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Looking at the results, and especially yesterday's, and our current league position, i can see why people might want to replace RDM, especially after the last 5 years we have endured, but do people really think that another change will benefit us in the long run. There's not exactly a long list of stand out candidates...
There's a lot of comments that RDM is a chancer, doesn't know what he's doing etc., yet the guy has won promotion from the championship and a Champions League trophy as manager, accolades i would suggest that indicate given the right circumstances, he must know how to do something right.
The thing is, whenever managers are mentioned, there's always people (not necessarily the same people) that say, 'yeah, but but he didn't too well at x, or y, club, and he was sacked from so and so club', but then again barring a very select few, every manager, even ones that have been successful at some clubs, have a list of failures and sackings on their CV, that's just the nature of football, every club wants to be successful and only a few in each league can be.
One of the key things about managers being successful seems to be time, and whilst being given time isn't a guarantor of success, it would seem to be an essential element in most manager's success. I'm not sure how people think that 10 games is adequate to build and mould a team, essentially from scratch, but tbh it's a fairly ludicrous and fanciful expectation. It can take a fair whilst for a manager to take a lot of new players, implement and refine his ideas in training, and tinker with his best combinations of players. Ultimately the players are the ones that have to take this onboard, gel together and form an understanding, and then... actually implement it on the pitch when there is another team on the pitch who have their own ideas about how a game will be played.
It's a kind of arrogance to expect that just because we've spent a lot of money on a team, that they will suddenly be a great team, and should be beating a lot of the teams we play. Many of these teams have been built up over a sustained period of time, with a consistent managerial approach over seasons, and have a core group of players that know each other well and have that team intuition and organisation that can only come through playing together for several seasons. This is just as important as having a great set of players. In my opinion, changing a manager now would just take away the one thing we really needs to progress, and that is stability of coaching and management. If the Dr does decide to get rid of RDM, then for the sake of consistency, i'd say promote Steve Clarke to the managers position and see how that goes.
Ultimately though (and this is the bit where i don my tin hat) i think it's a bit fickle to be asking for a change after only 10 games or so, how is Moyes doing at Sunderland, Pearson at Derby? I could go on, neither bad managers IMO, but need the right circumstances and time to succeed. I'm not sure if anyone has any stats about manager's first 10 games in charge of various clubs, but i'm sure it'd make interesting reading.
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Stick with Di Matteo please. Changing manager every ten minutes doesn't seem to have helped Leeds.
I agree no change yet. Although my patience is starting to get thinner. We are consistently making the same mistakes. We sit back on a lead and then concede. Where the fuck are all these 'leaders' we signed?
I used to be strongly in that camp. But we have plumbed new depths in the past few weeks and I see nothing at all to warrant giving him more time. Players are lost on the pitch, unfathomable line ups, fragile as shit, followed by inexcusable excuses.
Hiring and firing managers every 2 mins isn't the way to go but his record so far in a very poor division is shocking. How long do you give him??
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as long as this - it has to stop now.
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It's the nature of the defeats/draws that has got him the sack not the results themselves
As the Doc himself said It's unforgivable not to learn from your mistakes
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It's the nature of the defeats/draws that has got him the sack not the results themselves
As the Doc himself said It's unforgivable not to learn from your mistakes
When we played Forest a while back I thought we were the dogs nuts going forward but our defensive frailties let us down. We have somehow managed to lose that attacking ability but the defensive frailties remain. And it's getting worse every time we play. For that reason I believe it's time up for Robbie & Steve Anonymous Clarke.
Big Sam for me all the way.
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Tom Ross just tweeted
People in the game telling me RDM has gone with announcement due within 24 hours. No conf yet from @avfcofficial
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Tom Ross just tweeted
People in the game telling me RDM has gone with announcement due within 24 hours. No conf yet from @avfcofficial
Oh good.
I will muster more excitement when I see who replaces him and does a better job...
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I pin my remaining hopes on the belief that Tony Xia does not buy into the fallacy that time in football is however much you need to achieve your objectives. Football is a results driven business not a meritocracy where points are awarded for doing things the right way and deducted for doing them the wrong way
The reason we are where we are is not because our decisions have been too hasty, it is far more because they have not been made when they should have been. Right across the board, players, managers, executives, owners.
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Let's not kid ourselves. We are still a massive pull for someone, in work or not. Smith, Wagner, Rowett for example being given the chance of getting a team that includes our strike force available. Too tempting for anyone to turn down IMO.
We need to get this one right. We need instant impact and someone who can hit the ground running. Smith with his Villa connection reminds me of Gregory in a lot of ways. We all know the impact JG had when he came in.
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get the right geezer in and the dog heads won't know what hit them.
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I am sorry but we are not a research organisation where people should be very patient and mostly continue to work on failure and once upon a blue moon a golden nugget may turn up. Football is more of a design of experiment. You have to think of something do it and as soon as it's not working ditch it and get on to next DOE. As Brian said we have dilly dallied too long in the past and that's why we are no longer dining at the top table.
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Tom Ross just tweeted
People in the game telling me RDM has gone with announcement due within 24 hours. No conf yet from @avfcofficial
People in the game telling him = he's read the Sunday papers.
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There's a lot of comments that RDM is a chancer, doesn't know what he's doing etc., yet the guy has won promotion from the championship and a Champions League trophy as manager, accolades i would suggest that indicate given the right circumstances, he must know how to do something right.
Yes no doubt he will succeed some where however his success and failures prior to Villa are there in equal measure and some might argue that mainly he has failed other than the promotion with Albion that was his own doing. The CL win was more or less achieved by a very determined and very good Chelsea team with RDM acting as a figure head.
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When RDM was appointed I was totally underwhelmed. An Albion fan I know spoke highly of him and having then scanned his Wiki page my intial reservations were overcome particualry when Clarke was appointed as well.
Having now look at RDM's record again in more detail I notice he lasted 18 months at WBA, 9 months at Chelsea and 7 months at Schalke. Hence he has no track record to speak of and when he get fired tomorrow we shouldnt really be surprised.
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There's a lot of comments that RDM is a chancer, doesn't know what he's doing etc., yet the guy has won promotion from the championship and a Champions League trophy as manager, accolades i would suggest that indicate given the right circumstances, he must know how to do something right.
Yes no doubt he will succeed some where however his success and failures prior to Villa are there in equal measure and some might argue that mainly he has failed other than the promotion with Albion that was his own doing. The CL win was more or less achieved by a very determined and very good Chelsea team with RDM acting as a figure head.
And yet his thoughts on getting back into yesterday's game were to put every forward we had onto the field, surrender the midfield completely and hope our defenders would launch the ball forward and from there, hope for the best.
I was willing to give him more time as I hoped his brand of attacking football would work but the scales well and truly fell from my eyes yesterday. It really was brainless.
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Tom Ross just tweeted
People in the game telling me RDM has gone with announcement due within 24 hours. No conf yet from @avfcofficial
People in the game telling him = he's read the Sunday papers.
Crazy really. I thought he'd be given more time.
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Tom Ross just tweeted
People in the game telling me RDM has gone with announcement due within 24 hours. No conf yet from @avfcofficial
People in the game telling him = he's read the Sunday papers.
Crazy really. I thought he'd be given more time.
If we were still playing well, creating chances and even blowing leads late in games then he might still be getting more time. But we've gone from games like Forest where we should have won by 3 or 4 goals but for some poor defending to playing really quite poorly at Barnsley to yesterday's hideous effort. It's getting worse and his tactics are now pure desperation and the comparable to stuff of late Lambert.
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My knowledge of football is very limited. It is a passion. My other passion is horse racing. With my very modest means I have only been able to own horses and shares of horses and make a profit by having no patience whatsoever with failure. No chasing losses hoping things will change for the better. They invariably change for the worse. If we have to change Villa managers three times this season to avoid relegation, just do it.
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There's a lot of comments that RDM is a chancer, doesn't know what he's doing etc., yet the guy has won promotion from the championship and a Champions League trophy as manager, accolades i would suggest that indicate given the right circumstances, he must know how to do something right.
It's exactly this bit that scares me about RDM. If these aren't the right circumstances for him to be successful, why waste everyone's time?
I would have expected at least a small upturn in form, we have cleaned out the bad eggs from the dressing room, he's had a chance to bring in whomever he wanted, it's not unreasonable to expect a far better return. Managers have to earn the right to patience from the fans too. Show us you know what you're doing and generally we'll back you.
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I hate you say it but we need a manager with a big personality to take the helm here. we've had nothing but grey men since MON & Houllier.
A man motivator and a definitive style will give us a chance. no more steady eddy tacticians who tinker around. get everyone on the same hymn sheet.
more clichés needed at villa park.
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I pin my remaining hopes on the belief that Tony Xia dies
That would be no good Brian ;)
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What I expected of RDM is what we got at the start of the season where he set us up in a manner to create lots of chances. That we didn't convert those chances wasn't his fault. That's down to the players who missed clear chances. What was inexcusable was his display of tactical naivety in not closing out those games. What is worse is that over the subsequent weeks he didn't learn from it and the football became worse and worse as he overcompensated in an attempt to tighten things up at the back. He should be better than that and he has proven in a few short weeks he isn't capable ad arresting this situation.
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What I expected of RDM is what we got at the start of the season where he set us up in a manner to create lots of chances. That we didn't convert those chances wasn't his fault. That's down to the players who missed clear chances. What was inexcusable was his display of tactical naivety in not closing out those games. What is worse is that over the subsequent weeks he didn't learn from it and the football became worse and worse as he overcompensated in an attempt to tighten things up at the back. He should be better than that and he has proven in a few short weeks he isn't capable ad arresting this situation.
To summarise: Get rid. Knew it from day one & said so on here. I hope however that they don't give it to Clarke should he fare better from Wolves onwards. Warnock for me. 28 days & counting til we play Small Heath and a lot of disappointment can be put aside should we come away from there with a win.
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Tom Ross just tweeted
People in the game telling me RDM has gone with announcement due within 24 hours. No conf yet from @avfcofficial
If you were "in the game" would Tom Ross be top of your must tell list?
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He's gone.
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Really gathering steam now.. Hopefully Round and Wyness get it right.
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He's gone.
Source?
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Tom Ross is quite close to Steve Bruce so that could be his source.
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Tom Ross is quite close to Steve Bruce so that could be his source.
So is Lee Hendrie.
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White smoke emerging from Tone's padded cell very soon then. The moving finger is moving on.
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/10/02/roberto-di-matteo-set-to-be-sacked-by-aston-villa-this-weekend/
Percy is generally on the mark with the Villa.
Prising someone currently in work may be tricky. Big few days for Wyness and Round I think.
Percy is no more accurate than anyone else but for some reason is regarded as borderline infallible.
Stuart James in the Guardian saying now (although I know that you know the story's moved on since the post I quoted posted!).
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/oct/02/roberto-di-matteo-faces-sack-aston-villa-manager
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What I expected of RDM is what we got at the start of the season where he set us up in a manner to create lots of chances. That we didn't convert those chances wasn't his fault. That's down to the players who missed clear chances. What was inexcusable was his display of tactical naivety in not closing out those games. What is worse is that over the subsequent weeks he didn't learn from it and the football became worse and worse as he overcompensated in an attempt to tighten things up at the back. He should be better than that and he has proven in a few short weeks he isn't capable ad arresting this situation.
I agree entirely. I thought the criticism up to the forest game was way over the top. He should have loses that game our and he shouldn't have started changing plans so much afterwards
But either we were going to keep playing the same way and someone was going to get a twatting or the players were going to lose confidence. No better exemplificatiom of this than elphick. Looked just what we needed for a while and then starts turning in the sort of performances that made me yearn for Richards at centre back
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/10/02/roberto-di-matteo-set-to-be-sacked-by-aston-villa-this-weekend/
Percy is generally on the mark with the Villa.
Prising someone currently in work may be tricky. Big few days for Wyness and Round I think.
Percy is no more accurate than anyone else but for some reason is regarded as borderline infallible.
Stuart James in the Guardian saying now (although I know that you know the story's moved on since the post I quoted posted!).
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/oct/02/roberto-di-matteo-faces-sack-aston-villa-manager
Just been reported on Midlands News that he is expected to be gone tomorrow.
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Dr Tony went to Rome
In a Fiat Uno
Brought us back a manager
No better than that bluenose
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He's gone, then.
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https://www.avfc.co.uk/News/2016/10/03/club-statement-roberto-di-matteo
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At least it was only a 2 year contract. Hopefully some clauses in it too that haven't cost the good Dr too much money. Di Matteo, an air of not really giving a toss either way a real limp lettuce.
We go again.
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BYE BYE
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good riddance
chancer
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Bang!
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Next
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an unlamented sack of shit & total chancer - get this one right Dr T FFS
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Had to go. Results and performances have been getting worse. I guess Round has a big say who comes in next ?
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There ought to be some worried expressions at BH. I just hope some arses get kicked. They deserve binning as much as RDM did. And he did. Worst kind of chancer straight out of the Sherwood school of nonchalance.
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Got to get this one right Tony - teetering on the edge of the abyss...
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Thanks for the memories.
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https://www.avfc.co.uk/News/2016/10/03/club-statement-roberto-di-matteo
Love the way this opens on a party planner page!
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Like Sherwood without the good bits.
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Ciao
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If pushed for my favourite win of the Di Matteo era, after giving it a lot of thought I'd probably have to say Rotherham at home #avfc
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I think it's important that we don't lump him in with all the recent managers, who may not have been great,but who were trying to keep us in the PL with both hands tied behind their backs.
RDM had an enormous advantage over every other manager in this league, bar maybe Benitez, so on an expectation adjusted basis he was a far bigger failure than the rest during his brief tenure.
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Kipp, which would you say is your stand out memory. RDM's defeat of Rotherham or Eric Black's goalless draw with Newcastle? Times like this the memories all come flooding back. Sniff.
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What about your favourite nearly win what got fucked up in the last 5 mins?
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It's derfinitely that 0-0 achieved as it was by a man who has spent forty years in the game who we were lucky to have.
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I think it's important that we don't lump him in with all the recent managers, who may not have been great,but who were trying to keep us in the PL with both hands tied behind their backs.
RDM had an enormous advantage over every other manager in this league, bar maybe Benitez, so on an expectation adjusted basis he was a far bigger failure than the rest during his brief tenure.
I'd have to agree. I know Garde's record is awful, but he really was given absolutely no support, even Sherwood was given the guts of a new team to mess about with.
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Isn't it great how we have so many failed managers to choose from we can have a proper debate of who was most shit? I feel lucky to be a Villain today.
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Yep, 1 win, and I think I only recall 1 facial expression during his Villa tenure.
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Disappointing in a way - I thought we'd developed a good coaching structure when he was appointed. We spent a lot of money in the right areas of the pitch (although the goalkeeper and midfield buys are starting to look like the money could have been spent better), and after the Forest game where we created so many chances I thought we'd turned a corner. But the reality is we're mentally fragile, and the formations, tactics and substitutions have become increasingly puzzling to the point of desperation. Quarter of the way into the season and we've only beaten the bottom team, and been dumped out of a cup by lower league opposition. He had to go, and the international break gives us a bit of breathing space to get (hopefully) the right man.
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Villa sacked him on Saturday night apparently! It's good to see that we now have people in charge who will not accept ineptitude. I'm really pleased that they see the importance that the fans play and can recognise for themselves how very poor the results were becoming. No more playing the waiting game for things to turn, a la Lambert.
That said, in recent history, this is a most important appointment and we simply have to get this right. I don't want anyone with clouds of doubt against their name, those who can't seem to hold a job down for more than 12 months, take bungs or who, we, the fans, have a shred of doubt about. This list includes the likes of Allardyce, Warnock, Pearson, McClaren. I am sure that Fat Sam would do well but it'll be a funfest with the media and this detracts from the job at hand, hopefully that would abate and things improve but I think Xia will be about honour and won't go in Fat Sam's direction.
I expect Bruce, Smith, Hughton and McCarthy will all get linked. Clarke might also be in with a shout if they see an upturn in training. We have to get this right because this squad is not as bad as the results show. Except for Westwood. He's still a fairy. Come on Dr Tony, do the right thing.
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seems its easier to win the champions league with Chelsea than to get the Villa back on track again
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I'm pleased but at the same time bit worried a precedent has been sent - does the next manager get 11 games to be judged on and so on and so on. Its good he's gone I honestly don't know whos going to take over.
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I thought RDM would get us playing, but that was pretty awful.
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I'm really not confident about who they appoint next, Di Matteo was a hugely underwhelming appointment.
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He had a pre season, was backed in transfer market and was allowed to get rid of dead wood.
All he had to do was win a few games. Even 2 or 3 of the draws converted to wins.
No Great Loss.
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I'm so disappointed that Di Matteo never got the chance to see his squad gel....... There's a good team in there......we're due to give someone a thrashing very soon.....
He was shit, Xia did what Lerner lacked the spine to do and made a quick decision. It's not too late to get a proper manager and to aim for the play offs at least
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5th boss within a year? we are now officially a laughing stock. I hope the new guy gets more than RDM or we'll be looking again in January
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better now than leaving it until Xmas surely?
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Thanks Dr T. This decision proves you give a shit and we are not just a play thing.
Now please find a manager who gives a shit, we want to see passion, desire and enthusiasm in that dug out each week, and someone who will inspire the players not bore them!
Make it happen Tone.
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5th boss within a year? we are now officially a laughing stock. I hope the new guy gets more than RDM or we'll be looking again in January
Which of our last 5 managers didn't get enough time? I can't think of one. It's not the sacking of them that was wrong but to decision to appoint them in the first place
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I think it's important that we don't lump him in with all the recent managers, who may not have been great,but who were trying to keep us in the PL with both hands tied behind their backs.
RDM had an enormous advantage over every other manager in this league, bar maybe Benitez, so on an expectation adjusted basis he was a far bigger failure than the rest during his brief tenure.
Indeed. RDM has been an absolute disaster & thankfully he's now bitten the dust. Please God, make sure the Villa hierarchy choose wisely & get somebody in who knows what they're doing. UTV.
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I'll go on record now and say that we will make the Play Off Final due to the fact that last week I thought " sod it I'm going on holiday that week as we'll never make it.."
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5th boss within a year? we are now officially a laughing stock. I hope the new guy gets more than RDM or we'll be looking again in January
Which of our last 5 managers didn't get enough time? I can't think of one. It's not the sacking of them that was wrong but to decision to appoint them in the first place
well it amounts to the same thing. bad decision making at the top. If you're changing your manager in a manner that makes Ambramovich look patient something is seriously wrong
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And if they don't get it right this time. Do it again until we get a good, winning manager and KEEP him.
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And if they don't get it right this time. Do it again until we get a good, winning manager and KEEP him.
yeah, i'm sure all the top managers are dying to take a job with a shelf-life of 4 months. We'll be fighting them off with a shovel
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Isn't it great how we have so many failed managers to choose from we can have a proper debate of who was most shit? I feel lucky to be a Villain today.
Yes, what a time to be alive.
RDM was hopeless. I just hope it's not another case of giving the wrong man too much money and it stuffs the club for years to come.
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5th boss within a year? we are now officially a laughing stock. I hope the new guy gets more than RDM or we'll be looking again in January
Which of our last 5 managers didn't get enough time? I can't think of one. It's not the sacking of them that was wrong but to decision to appoint them in the first place
well it amounts to the same thing. bad decision making at the top. If you're changing your manager in a manner that makes Ambramovich look patient something is seriously wrong
To be fair I think the maths is out. (Although as no-one else has questioned this I am starting to think I might have slept through something?) If we are counting caretakers we are now on our 6th. If we aren't, we have just sacked the 3rd.
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And if they don't get it right this time. Do it again until we get a good, winning manager and KEEP him.
yeah, i'm sure all the top managers are dying to take a job with a shelf-life of 4 months. We'll be fighting them off with a shovel
We have spend £50m and are getting worse not better.
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I still think RDM was the right choice in the summer, Pearson, who was the favourite for many, has been worse for Derby and Moyes has Sunderland nailed to the bottom of the table and looking absolutely shit.
As TV said yesterday we looked good for a while, the firrst game came too soon but then we had a run after that (in the league) where we creating chances and playing good football but just couldn't score. Whilst that was the case I was willing to argue that it was just a matter of time and we'd be fine. When he decided to go with 5 at the back and completely destroyed all the good stuff without making us any stronger at the back he lost me because it was clear that, like Sherwood, he'd lost faith in his plan and was just scrambling for something. Once you do that you're halfway out the door for me.
The replacement is important now because we need someone who can see what RDM was trying to do at the start and run with that, 4231 in some format has to be the plan because that's what we have a squad for.
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And if they don't get it right this time. Do it again until we get a good, winning manager and KEEP him.
yeah, i'm sure all the top managers are dying to take a job with a shelf-life of 4 months. We'll be fighting them off with a shovel
He was sacked for winning 1 game. Most decent managers will look at our squad and think they can do much better.
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And if they don't get it right this time. Do it again until we get a good, winning manager and KEEP him.
yeah, i'm sure all the top managers are dying to take a job with a shelf-life of 4 months. We'll be fighting them off with a shovel
Or, they might be thinking that this is a decent squad and I will be backed with money in January. We may not get promoted this season but any new bloke coming in can't really fail now as his job will be to stave off any doubts about dropping to an even lower division and trying to get us as close to the play-off's as possible. He knows that he will be back in the summer too. This is not the same club as it was under Lerner.
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The alternative is to keep a crap manager and enjoy the ride down the leagues. Doing nothing is not an option. As for being a laughing stock the 17 point season guaranteed that not the search for a competent manager.
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And if they don't get it right this time. Do it again until we get a good, winning manager and KEEP him.
yeah, i'm sure all the top managers are dying to take a job with a shelf-life of 4 months. We'll be fighting them off with a shovel
I hope they'll all be looking at it and thinking we have a good squad, a supportive chairman and a ridiculously good pedigree. It wont take much of a footballing genius to get this current crop of players purring. RDM was just not up to it. We've also got the advantage that we're first to pull the trigger. If vacancies at Sunderland, West Ham, Swansea, Stoke and the like come up we might find the pool of available talent diminishes.
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And if they don't get it right this time. Do it again until we get a good, winning manager and KEEP him.
yeah, i'm sure all the top managers are dying to take a job with a shelf-life of 4 months. We'll be fighting them off with a shovel
Or, they might be thinking that this is a decent squad and I will be backed with money in January. We may not get promoted this season but any new bloke coming in can't really fail now as his job will be to stave off any doubts about dropping to an even lower division and trying to get us as close to the play-off's as possible. He knows that he will be back in the summer too. This is not the same club as it was under Lerner.
Unfrotuntely for Dr T, I think he's about to be lumped in with all the other mental foreign owners. That may be unfair, but if you're a manager with something to lose reputation wise, you're gonna think twice about jumping into a club like ours especially as spending a fortune is no guarantee you'll be given any time. RDM had 10 games to repair and rebuild the biggest mess at Villa park for a generation at least. Whether you think he's crap or not, that doesn't say long term planning to me or i daresay any potential new manager.
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He had to go. But the realistic alternatives do not inspire much confidence.
I suppose Bruce is the best option
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And if they don't get it right this time. Do it again until we get a good, winning manager and KEEP him.
yeah, i'm sure all the top managers are dying to take a job with a shelf-life of 4 months. We'll be fighting them off with a shovel
Not defending us as this year has been a comedy of errors but if you look at the shelf life of 99% of managers now it's very poor. In the top two divisions only 8 managers have held their job for longer than 2 years currently. Overall 52 of the leagues managers have had their jobs less than a year. Football has changed.
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This is a period requiring stability and no risks or gambles. I'd have Roy Hodgson right now. Bruce is good but the fans could turn on him in an instant and that would be a worry.. At this level Hodgson could just stabalise the ship and get this squad organised.
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And if they don't get it right this time. Do it again until we get a good, winning manager and KEEP him.
yeah, i'm sure all the top managers are dying to take a job with a shelf-life of 4 months. We'll be fighting them off with a shovel
Not defending us as this year has been a comedy of errors but if you look at the shelf life of 99% of managers now it's very poor. In the top two divisions only 8 managers have held their job for longer than 2 years currently. Overall 52 of the leagues managers have had their jobs less than a year. Football has changed.
Chelsea have had 11 manager under Roman. Sacking managers isn't always a sign of madness. In fact, keeping a clearly failing managers is far more stupid
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Respect Bestmate but £50 million buys you more than a steady ship. It buys you one that goes where you want it to go when you want it to.
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In this division it should buy you a ship with a big fuck off cannon on the side that blows the other ships out of the water as long as the Captain isn't blind and knows how to light it.
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Respect Bestmate but £50 million buys you more than a steady ship. It buys you one that goes where you want it to go when you want it to.
Agreed. I was thinking more of three months to move away from the relegation area and create stability to the end of Jan with maybe one or two further buys in the january window for the new manager. Then hopefully from Feb to May, a push for the play offs with a settled and talented squad. I have not given up hope of promotion this season yet!
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I don't know if RDM was in and of himself an underwhelming appointment or whether the last few years have just crushed any semblance of enthusiasm out of me but the only opinion I can muster on his tenure from start to finish is basically this:
(http://s.mlkshk-cdn.com/r/UNC3)
What is worrying though is that since O'Neill's departure (who I still hold responsible for all the club's ills by the way), whatever route we have taken with the new manager, whether it's a known quantity with a track record At This Level like di Matteo, or punt from left field like Houllier/Garde or it's whoever was immediately available like Sherwood or an up and coming talent who has yet to fail like Lambert or it's Alex Bloody McLeish, sooner or later, somehow or other, it's gone tits up.
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And if they don't get it right this time. Do it again until we get a good, winning manager and KEEP him.
yeah, i'm sure all the top managers are dying to take a job with a shelf-life of 4 months. We'll be fighting them off with a shovel
Managers will. Two reasons the pay is good and contracts are normally minimun 3 years and secondly they will take on the job to do better than winning 1 in 11 and if they don't they....
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This is a period requiring stability and no risks or gambles. I'd have Roy Hodgson right now. Bruce is good but the fans could turn on him in an instant and that would be a worry.. At this level Hodgson could just stabalise the ship and get this squad organised.
Interview should go something like this.
Tony - will you play Westwood?
Interviewee (Put whatever name you want) No
Tony - you got the job
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In this division it should buy you a ship with a big fuck off cannon on the side that blows the other ships out of the water as long as the Captain isn't blind and knows how to light it.
I think the cannons we've acquired are fine. It's the emaciated galley slaves powering the ship that are the problem.
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Deadly Doug
Reluctant Randy
Tony the Trigger
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This is a period requiring stability and no risks or gambles. I'd have Roy Hodgson right now. Bruce is good but the fans could turn on him in an instant and that would be a worry.. At this level Hodgson could just stabalise the ship and get this squad organised.
Interview should go something like this.
Tony - will you play Westwood?
Interviewee (Put whatever name you want) No
Tony - you got the job
Bloody right. 2 up with 3 to play against Ryan Moore was piss poor!!
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I still think RDM was the right choice in the summer, Pearson, who was the favourite for many, has been worse for Derby and Moyes has Sunderland nailed to the bottom of the table and looking absolutely shit.
As TV said yesterday we looked good for a while, the firrst game came too soon but then we had a run after that (in the league) where we creating chances and playing good football but just couldn't score. Whilst that was the case I was willing to argue that it was just a matter of time and we'd be fine. When he decided to go with 5 at the back and completely destroyed all the good stuff without making us any stronger at the back he lost me because it was clear that, like Sherwood, he'd lost faith in his plan and was just scrambling for something. Once you do that you're halfway out the door for me.
The replacement is important now because we need someone who can see what RDM was trying to do at the start and run with that, 4231 in some format has to be the plan because that's what we have a squad for.
That's the problem in a nutshell. We don't have the squad for it. We don't have two dependable holding midfielders nor 3 attacking midfielders. We two chocolate fireguards and central strikers, then there's Ayew and Grealish who don't seem to fit anywhere at the moment.
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Was he sacked on Twiiter or Wechat.com? effing madness reigns again. We are cursed. How many managers since O'Neill? Cursed I tell ye!
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He needed sacking. End of.
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Had to go. I just hope they get the next appointment right.
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Deadly Doug
Rubbish Randy
Terminator Tony
Fixed it for ya. ;)
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Deadly Doug
Retarded Randy
Terminator Tony
Fixed it for ya. ;)
How about you don't refer to him as retarded.
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Deadly Doug
Rubbish Randy
Terminator Tony
Fixed it for ya. ;)
How about you don't refer to him as r*******.
Sorry Mr T, I got carried away. My apologies.
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Fergie had a bad run when he started. Managers need time. Who will want the poisoned chalice now? It is just about recouping investment in a vicious capitalist timezone. Fifty five plus years a supporter and not felt this bad in a while. Money is not everything..is it?
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We'll always have Rotherham.
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Fergie had a bad run when he started. Managers need time. Who will want the poisoned chalice now? It is just about recouping investment in a vicious capitalist timezone. Fifty five plus years a supporter and not felt this bad in a while. Money is not everything..is it?
If RDM goes on to have anything like the managerial career Fergie did I'll take you out for a slap up meal with all the trimmings (on me).
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I would want to give a manager more than the short time that DdM had but almost all of us have little idea how things are behind the scenes. I presume the likes of KW see more of how things are and whether there was hope or despair.
If RdM was not showing signs of a clear way forward and morale was suffering then, with regret, he had to go.
But it's a mess and probably another year wasted. Six years now, Tone.
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I'm pretty sure RDM lost his job because we were getting worse and not showing any sign of improvement.
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He had to go. Can we get a proper manager now please? We pay enough for someone very talented.
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I thought he should have been given until Christmas at least. But fear I'm in a very small minority.
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Fergie had a bad run when he started. Managers need time. Who will want the poisoned chalice now?
Which one of our last 5 managers should have been given more time?
And Fergie took over at Man United when they were 21st in the table and they finished 11th
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Of all the managers that we have flirted with or given plenty of rope to, the Houllier-McAllister ticket was the only one that seemed to get some real and sustainable traction. I thought RdM-Clarke would be capable in this division: after the last three games particularly, it is clear that they could not motivate or strategise to achieve victories.
However, the obvious replacement options look frightening. Dark days indeed.
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Fergie had a bad run when he started. Managers need time. Who will want the poisoned chalice now? It is just about recouping investment in a vicious capitalist timezone. Fifty five plus years a supporter and not felt this bad in a while. Money is not everything..is it?
This is poignant post. It's speaks sense and it's unfortunate now the game is different to previous years. I didn't it know it back then and I'm of premier league only era but in honesty the way things were then when football was a simple game I wish the same now. Consider that it's good you've got to see the evolution of football I only seen the business matters football generation. I think it's a results business to such a degree time is no longer an option especially when money is involved. What is 2 maybe 3 years at most average length career of a club manager . Seems shorter and that's only changed in last 5 years. I hope you feel better with next appoinnement we all hope we do and I think it's important that the structure is in place. Managers will come and go but having a core stability will provide success. Things have changed and perhaps despite all the money it sounds like not for the better.
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Rubbish. Just because Fergie once turned around a bad run is not a good reason to keep on failing managers. If that was the case nobody would ever change manager and would instead get their prayer mats out as they fall down the leagues.
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In my opinion, no point giving him up until Xmas. His team selections were getting just as weird as previous managers teams. Please, just give me (or about 20,000 other Villa fans) a fraction of his wages and I'll guarantee I could put out a better side than we have witnessed recently. If RDM had been driving a car he would have been fined for either, driving without due care and arrtention or, even worse, dangerous driving!!!!
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This is a period requiring stability and no risks or gambles. I'd have Roy Hodgson right now. Bruce is good but the fans could turn on him in an instant and that would be a worry.. At this level Hodgson could just stabalise the ship and get this squad organised.
Interview should go something like this.
Tony - will you play Westwood?
Interviewee (Put whatever name you want) No
Tony - you got the job
Bloody right. 2 up with 3 to play against Ryan Moore was piss poor!!
No wonder he has never won a Major!
Must be something to do with the name Westwood!
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Jesus, we really are a basket case. Going take a lot to change the direction of the club. We really need to get this appointment right.
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I thought he should have been given until Christmas at least. But fear I'm in a very small minority.
I'd have been happy to see him given until Christmas had the results merely been indifferent or underwhelming.
But they were poor and getting worse.
We will be seen as a basket case club for this, but -as with all these things- sometimes it is a case of the least worst option. A manager with a bit of cop-on should have this squad closer to 6th rather than the arse end of the table.
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Jesus, we really are a basket case. Going take a lot to change the direction of the club. We really need to get this appointment right.
And the last one and the one before that ad infinitum........
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Fergie had a bad run when he started. Managers need time. Who will want the poisoned chalice now?
Which one of our last 5 managers should have been given more time?
And Fergie took over at Man United when they were 21st in the table and they finished 11th
And then finished 2nd the next season. Honestly, that Ferguson thing as an excuse is a complete load of old bollocks.
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Jesus, we really are a basket case. Going take a lot to change the direction of the club. We really need to get this appointment right.
And the last one and the one before that ad infinitum........
Yep. So many shit appointments over the last few years. We don't seem to learn. No more managerial gambles.
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If he was sticking to the same formations with different personal, id be tempted to give him more time. But random formations and performances have got worse and apart from the Rotherham game we only play well in patches, apart from Saturday of course.
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He goes with my best wishes.
He wasn't here long enough for the hatred to well up.
SGT was the last one to leave with warmth.
The others? Damn them.
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I disagree with the idea that it's a poisoned chalice, etc. It was that when Garde got the job, we were in free fall with a squad incapable of staying up and a disinterested owner who was never going to give him huge funds to change things around. RDM should've had a perfect setup, plenty of money to build the squad he wanted, support to get the coaching team exactly as he needed, fan backing to remove anyone he liked from the squad and enough understanding that a couple of wins and a spot in midtable would've been enough to keep him safe. He was on target for a while as well, but then he decided to tinker with things when it wasn't needed. Since then we've been humiliated by Ipswich, Forest, Barnsley and Preston. Just like Sherwood last season he panicked and threw the baby out with the bathwater, I think any manager who does that needs results immediately after the change, get them and it's all good and you carry on, if it gets worse then you've written your own P45.
I agree with Mister E that the obvious options are all really poor, Bruce, Allerdyce, etc. None of them are remotely inspiring and I hope the net gets cast a little broader than that. Mention of the guys at Bristol City and Huddersfield are promising at least.
That's the problem in a nutshell. We don't have the squad for it. We don't have two dependable holding midfielders nor 3 attacking midfielders. We two chocolate fireguards and central strikers, then there's Ayew and Grealish who don't seem to fit anywhere at the moment.
Honestly we do. for it to work you need 2 fullbacks who can get forward and overlap, Amavi, Bacuna and De Laet all fit the bill. That means you can have wide players who can drift around, Ayew on the left is perfect for that with Adomah offering a more traditional option on the other side or push Kodjia out there and have him drifting in as well. Centrally RM and Grealish are fine for the 10 role and Kodjia in his preferred position is very strong for 9 with Gestede as a decent option to mix it up.
In central midfield we're weak regardless but I think we need to pair energetic and steady. in the latter group we have Jedinak, Westwood and Gardner who are all experienced enough to hold a position. The weakness is that Tish is the only option for the other role from the main squad. I'd promote Lyden up as his cover and then make this priority in the window.
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Of all the managers that we have flirted with or given plenty of rope to, the Houllier-McAllister ticket was the only one that seemed to get some real and sustainable traction. I thought RdM-Clarke would be capable in this division: after the last three games particularly, it is clear that they could not motivate or strategise to achieve victories.
However, the obvious replacement options look frightening. Dark days indeed.
. We ain't been right since O'Neill left.. simple as that.
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I find it reassuring that at long last we can act quickly and decisively. It shows that the basics at the club are sound. Since the flouncing of MON and all that went with it, I have felt like an unwilling passenger in an aircraft that flew in a series of nose dives and tail spins. Until now there has always been the feeling that so weak and incompetent was the running of the club that any attempt to pull out of a nose dive would make wings fall off.
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Sad that we have got rid of a manager after only 12 games but not sad to see RDM go
On paper he looked a good choice with experience of getting teams promotion from The Championship but in reality didn't seem to have any idea what his best formation or team was - we've been going backwards since the Forest game and are in danger of ending up in another relegation battle so for me he simply had to go.
Here's hoping the next appointment works out slightly better and has a vague idea what this football management malarkey is all about...
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After all the previous managerial changes, I always looked forward with a degree of excitement to the next appointment. I can't do that this time, too many false dawns.
I'm not sorry to see RDM go. I had my doubts during the debacle against Luton. It looked as though he hadn't a clue as to how to rectify things, but worse for me was the fact (unproven) that it looked like he couldn't give a fuck.
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I agree; it was the way in which he shimmied around home and away dugouts, whipping up apathy that pissed me off the most.
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He just had to go he didn't inspire me let alone the team.
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I'm hearing conflicting reports that some fans wanted to give him more time - I ask ya!
Lets recap:
Owls - last minute howler
Hatters - Disgrace
Millers - A win !!!!
Hudders - clanger again
Derby - wasteful
Bristol - capitulation
Forest - wasteful
Brentford - howler
Tractors - wasteful
Barcodes - poor
Barnsley - howler
Preston - disgraceful
Team chopping and changing formation, tactics, personnel, no settled side.
Jedinak absolutely hopeless, a real let down. Westwood continuing to be picked despite the groans from the fans.
Elphick / Chester partnership made of jelly.
Hutton still at the club.
Adomah, Ayew, Gestede, Kodija, McCormak the five that could fire us 2-3 goals every game.
This squad needs shot of the remenants of the wastrels from last season, at least 2 more midfielders and another centre half.
Bring on Jan 1st if we can survive that long.
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What nobody seems to have said (though I may be wrong) but what amfy said to me after the game was that the players looked as if they had stopped playing for the manager and I think she's right. The manager himself having the air of someone who had wandered into The Last Chance Saloon having absent mindedly forgotten his wallet.
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It was the most damning thing for me and why I would have sacked him. We literally didn't look bothered the last half hour, no urgency on or off the pitch, no one seemed bothered we were losing or making any effort to get back into the game. We strolled around like it was some meaningless friendly.
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What nobody seems to have said (though I may be wrong) but what amfy said to me after the game was that the players looked as if they had stopped playing for the manager and I think she's right. The manager himself having the air of someone who had wandered into The Last Chance Saloon having absent mindedly forgotten his wallet.
Which makes this tweet all the more bemusing...
Not long told by source close to club, 'many players bemused/disappointed' with Di Matteo sacking + 'felt progression was being made' #AVFC
— Callum Williams (@CalWilliamsComm) October 3, 2016
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It was the most damning thing for me and why I would have sacked him. We literally didn't look bothered the last half hour, no urgency on or off the pitch, no one seemed bothered we were losing or making any effort to get back into the game. We strolled around like it was some meaningless friendly.
I mentioned it at the time, but after their second goal, Di Matteo went and sat down for the rest of the half. He should have been bawling them out, but he was slumped in his chair. Think he probably knew then that the game was up, and the second half brain fart team set up was him saying "ah, fuck it."
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What nobody seems to have said (though I may be wrong) but what amfy said to me after the game was that the players looked as if they had stopped playing for the manager and I think she's right. The manager himself having the air of someone who had wandered into The Last Chance Saloon having absent mindedly forgotten his wallet.
Which makes this tweet all the more bemusing...
Not long told by source close to club, 'many players bemused/disappointed' with Di Matteo sacking + 'felt progression was being made' #AVFC
— Callum Williams (@CalWilliamsComm) October 3, 2016
Saw that this morning too.
It made me so angry. It's the players who are responsible for producing the result. They have no drive, no urgency and in no way took responsibility for their poor play. We need people who are going to take the initiative to force the ball in the back of the net. Ayew seems to be the only one who takes the bull by the horns, the "fine, I'll do it myself" attitude. Everyone else just kind of takes it as it comes in hopes it will all just work out fine.
We need a manager with some gumption and a good blow dryer.
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What nobody seems to have said (though I may be wrong) but what amfy said to me after the game was that the players looked as if they had stopped playing for the manager and I think she's right. The manager himself having the air of someone who had wandered into The Last Chance Saloon having absent mindedly forgotten his wallet.
Di Matteo picked a team set up to ensure the sack.
The players generously helped him.
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The buck stops with the manager and his coaching staff. The target is promotion and to play each game like a final to make it to the ultimate goal. It's not being achieved so like many managers he gets the can. When players also take responsibility they will reach the potential. Di matteo not stern with players and not enthused I think. His reputation has been tarnished and that serves him right as he didjt get enough from the players and by all accounts didnt show it on the sidelines when things were going against us. Have the squad now just need the manager to inspire the squad
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agree skillz
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I'm hearing conflicting reports that some fans wanted to give him more time - I ask ya!
Lets recap:
Owls - last minute howler
Hatters - Disgrace
Millers - A win !!!!
Hudders - clanger again
Derby - wasteful
Bristol - capitulation
Forest - wasteful
Brentford - howler
Tractors - wasteful
Barcodes - poor
Barnsley - howler
Preston - disgraceful
Team chopping and changing formation, tactics, personnel, no settled side.
Jedinak absolutely hopeless, a real let down. Westwood continuing to be picked despite the groans from the fans.
Elphick / Chester partnership made of jelly.
Hutton still at the club.
Adomah, Ayew, Gestede, Kodija, McCormak the five that could fire us 2-3 goals every game.
This squad needs shot of the remenants of the wastrels from last season, at least 2 more midfielders and another centre half.
Bring on Jan 1st if we can survive that long.
All that might be valid, but I'd say that -more than most of our recent roll call of rogues- he is one manager who could spin it to say he has been harshly treated.
That second half against Wednesday deserved at least a goal. Get that and it's a different game. You can set a team up to be resolute (and we were, for much of that game) but there is not much you can do when your keeper shanks it.
Rotherham -Keeper and centre half conspire to rob us on the win that would have seen us win two on the bounce. Again, tactics weren't really at fault for that, or the amount of chances we missed to kill the game.
Forest - should have won by four or five
Brentford -dire. But we hold out in that game (and for all their possession, Brentford created next to nothing) and we're talking about the type of win that could set us up for the season. Playing averagely, but still doing enough. We fluff it, and then Di Matteo flaps it.
Newcastle - woeful 60 minutes, but came off thinking we had the supposed best team in the league there for the taking.
Barnsley- similar to Bentford. We win this one and any talk of the sack gets parked. Gollini flaps it again.
Holding out in half of those games -or the rookie keeper doesn't have monumental brainfarts- and our season has a different complexion.
Di Matteo signed that rookie goalkeeper, of course. And we were getting worse, that cannot be disputed. But after the Forest game, I genuinely didn't think we'd be here again discussing new managers little short of a month later.
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All that really does though is show how badly he fucked things up after that for most of us to not be all that shocked that he's gone. That's the problem for me, we looked very good against Forest and his response was to completely change the shape of the team and remove all our attacking threat and we've put in about 45 minutes of acceptable performance since.
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All that really does though is show how badly he fucked things up after that for most of us to not be all that shocked that he's gone. That's the problem for me, we looked very good against Forest and his response was to completely change the shape of the team and remove all our attacking threat and we've put in about 45 minutes of acceptable performance since.
That Preston performance did for him, it was dire. A bit like Coventry under BFR when we played that badly he had to go.
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All that really does though is show how badly he fucked things up after that for most of us to not be all that shocked that he's gone. That's the problem for me, we looked very good against Forest and his response was to completely change the shape of the team and remove all our attacking threat and we've put in about 45 minutes of acceptable performance since.
That Preston performance did for him, it was dire. A bit like Coventry under BFR when we played that badly he had to go.
It was certainly the one that tipped me over from wanting to give him until the end of November to turn things around to thinking he could go on the final whistle for all I cared.
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All that really does though is show how badly he fucked things up after that for most of us to not be all that shocked that he's gone. That's the problem for me, we looked very good against Forest and his response was to completely change the shape of the team and remove all our attacking threat and we've put in about 45 minutes of acceptable performance since.
That Preston performance did for him, it was dire. A bit like Coventry under BFR when we played that badly he had to go.
That Preston performance did for me too! I think I may develop PTSD after that. The worst performance I ythink I had ever seen from the Villa!
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Can't get too worked about RDM as a manager going. Bad luck or poor tactics - probably a mixture of both as always. But in it's general portents its alarming.
To back a manager with £50m and then only give him 12 matches means either you've got a good replacement lined up (ie not one of the usual serial underachievers - see Potato Head) or the policy from now on is going to be Abramovich-esque.
I can't see it's the former and the latter will end in tears.
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All that really does though is show how badly he fucked things up after that for most of us to not be all that shocked that he's gone. That's the problem for me, we looked very good against Forest and his response was to completely change the shape of the team and remove all our attacking threat and we've put in about 45 minutes of acceptable performance since.
That's my take on it too.
Didn't we have 29 shots against Forest? Somehow that turned to about 3 against Preston.
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Those late goals killed him, he lost his bottle and didn't have faith in his system of play. That's why I feel we need a confident, headstrong experienced personality with a style of play that he believes in. Another young manager I think we will kill off, another chancer will just second guess himself again ala Di Matteo and Sherwood.
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To a degree yes he was unlucky with results (forest game etc.) But that's sort of a moot point because when things aren't going your way (due to luck or any other reason) the players need to look at the manager and think that guy can fix it. Our rapid deterioration in the last few games suggests he didn't show the kind of leadership required to get them fired up for the next game and playing without the weight of the world on them.
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When the same bad things happen repeatedly, luck has nothing to do with it...it becomes more about ability and judgement (or lack thereof).
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RDM cannot say he was not warned. Tony tweeted his feelings before the Preston game "@jusFukinWIN". No poncey fake vote of confidence from our owner. He takes no prisoners. Nor should he, the money he has stumped up.
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Its a little scary that this thread was started nearly a month ago! ;D
Gotta agree that the performance Saturday was a big factor in setting alarm bells ringing. Would have given him a bit longer but I can understand the call and am not sad about it. We just need to get the right man now and give him the time and support he needs. Out of the available options I think Bruce would make the most sense.
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I think the important thing is when you've turned it from nearly clicking, someone will get a beating soon into barely registering a shot the last thing you need is to put in a car crash performance before an international break. take that away and I think he survives a few more weeks but with a fair few of ours going away for a week or so this is as 'safe' a time as any to be without a manager.
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I wonder if any if Dr T's motivational talks and getting involved in the dressing room has caused any issues?
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All that really does though is show how badly he fucked things up after that for most of us to not be all that shocked that he's gone. That's the problem for me, we looked very good against Forest and his response was to completely change the shape of the team and remove all our attacking threat and we've put in about 45 minutes of acceptable performance since.
That's my take on it too.
Didn't we have 29 shots against Forest? Somehow that turned to about 3 against Preston.
we needed to find a way to keep the 29 shots, score from more of them, and when in the lead shut down the game in the last 10 minutes. And instead after having blown another late lead to Brentford we left Portman Road without having a shot on target. It was a true WTF moment.
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I wonder if any if Dr T's motivational talks and getting involved in the dressing room has caused any issues?
An owner that barely speaks English shouldn't feel responsible to rile up the squad. If I bought a Chinese Super League team and had to step in front of my Manager and deliver a team talk he would be gone that day.
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All that really does though is show how badly he fucked things up after that for most of us to not be all that shocked that he's gone. That's the problem for me, we looked very good against Forest and his response was to completely change the shape of the team and remove all our attacking threat and we've put in about 45 minutes of acceptable performance since.
That's my take on it too.
Didn't we have 29 shots against Forest? Somehow that turned to about 3 against Preston.
we needed to find a way to keep the 29 shots, score from more of them, and when in the lead shut down the game in the last 10 minutes. And instead after having blown another late lead to Brentford we left Portman Road without having a shot on target. It was a true WTF moment.
Yep, that's his Leicester moment. Didn't lose the game but threw away all the positives that had been there and only got them back for 30-35 minutes against Newcastle (I think I got things backwards and said Forest earlier). Even then we found a tempo that made us look threatening and then went into the next game having slowed things down even more before playing Preston like a training ground exercise in keep ball. It really is hard to overstate how poor it was from the manager. I don't think the players did him any favours but if you're the manager and you see a team performing like that and you just sit and watch then you're fucked.
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I think Dr. T made a mistake. too early for him to make a judgement despite the appalling performance againt preston. good luck to the next guy but promotion this season? Nah.
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I think Dr. T made a mistake. too early for him to make a judgement despite the appalling performance againt preston. good luck to the next guy but promotion this season? Nah.
I think his biggest mistake was appointing RDM in the first place, but we all have our own opinion(s) on the matter. The fact is he's now decided a new manager is needed, so we can but hope he - & the rest of the Villa big-bugs - choose wisely and give the new guy a reasonable amount of time to get busy. Fingers crossed we get this shit sorted & get some much-needed positivity back into the club. It'll have been a long time coming.
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Someone needs to respond to the dressing room full of useless ****** in this way:
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Good decision. I like RDM and given time he could have been decent, but Dr.X refuses to accept second best and given the amount of money he has invested I dont blame him.
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Good decision. I like RDM and given time he could have been decent, but Dr.X refuses to accept second best and given the amount of money he has invested I dont blame him.
Second best is one thing, 19th in the second division is a whole different story.
Love that Money Ball reference. I said it too many times already but I want someone with venom.
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One of RDM's major downfalls I haven't seen mentioned here yet, was how late in the window the money was spent. I know there was the Euro tournament going on but how many of our prospective players were involved? Money talks and the Dr stumped up.
Elphick and Tshibola was a start but we didn't see McCormack until under about a fortnight before the season started and it went on from there. There was competition from Norwich to get him in also and wasters to get rid of but the tardiness to form this squad I believe has been a major contributor.
If RDM was waiting for the squad to gell, why wait until so late in the window to buy? Did RDM even know what players he wanted in the first place, or was he making it up as he went along? There's talent in this squad no doubt but some dents in the armour it seems.
The sheer woolliness of our past few (four? I've lost count) manager's is really starting to piss me right off. We need someone with a semblance of control over the squad, on match day and an eye on the future.
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where on earth has the Tim Sherwood redux shit come from? FFS!
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Sky Sports must have Sherwood's number on speed dial, because every time there is a vacancy they phone him to talk about it. Can see Tim being manager of QPR, before much longer.
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why oh why any genuine fan would want Sherwood back is beyond me. The job is way too big for him as proved last time. He was afforded some leway last time due to hitting the ground running and having his hands tied behind his back somewhat - this time there is nowhere to hide. Whoever comes in needs 2 wins out of the first four games
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There were enough mentalists on WM last night wanting Dim Tim. Even little Alan Wright on WM talking to Goldberg this morning mentioned him as a possible!! Who in their right mind would want to go through that nightmare again. Plus none of these nut jobs said anything about his £2mill compo - no wonder TS says he wants another go at VP. Has the club motto been changed to "Mugs".
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I just assume there's plenty of idiots around who like him because he 'tells it like it is'.
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I just assume there's plenty of idiots around who like him because he 'tells it like it is'.
Except when his idea of 'what it is' is subject to change at short notice. Appreciate him for survival and the final and he was probably ideal short term. But I don't want him back.
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There were enough mentalists on WM last night wanting Dim Tim.
@Dr_TonyXia "Do not confuse Dim Sum and Dim Tim FFS!"
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Think the TS return is simply to wind the bulk of the fans up.
Read that a couple of neanderthal ex-players Mills and Savage seem to think Bruce wont be allowed to come because of his Birmingham connections ala Mcleish. No boys, it's because he was shite and proved it. The rest is media myth that perpetuates because of lack of interest in "ordinary" news.
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presumably, the Cotterill story is a wind-up too? Please say it is?
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Think the TS return is simply to wind the bulk of the fans up.
Read that a couple of neanderthal ex-players Mills and Savage seem to think Bruce wont be allowed to come because of his Birmingham connections ala Mcleish. No boys, it's because he was shite and proved it. The rest is media myth that perpetuates because of lack of interest in "ordinary" news.
Course it is, they need people to call in
Wonder if Cascarino fancies it?
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I feel Bruce is a good fit for the Villa right now, however at the first blip it will be Bruce Bluenose this and fat spud head the next - he hasn't a hope in hell of succeeding - Villa fans far to fickle in support of players and managers.
Allardyce - would take him here and now. Absolute no starter due to outside factors.
Gary Johnson - never managed a big club and we need an experienced head right now.
Pearson - non starter.
Dyche - no prospects we would get him and again never managed a big club.
Dean Smith - would have him big club experience or not, if I was Dean Smith I would however bind my time and sack the idea off, on a hiding to nothing.
Sherwood - makes me laugh, if RDM had no suitable experience then Sherwood lacks that and a lot more including bad judgement in player recruitment and poor back room investment.
Moyes was and am an admirer. He is the Ron Saunders in the making. Remember Saunders failed at Man City before joining us. Is able to get average teams playing and his football is not as dire as people make out. Plus Steve Round was his assistant for sometime.
I would still have given RDM more time but who am I other than a fanatical supporter like 30,000 others who are regulars at Villa Park and some aways.
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I feel Bruce is a good fit for the Villa right now, however at the first blip it will be Bruce Bluenose this and fat spud head the next - he hasn't a hope in hell of succeeding - Villa fans far to fickle in support of players and managers.
Absolute bollocks! Villa fans being percieved as fickle is what lazy journalists and Blues fans trot out, McLeish was given support throughout his tenure right up until the Bolton game even though the majority didn't want him in the first place, thats not fickle, its blind loyalty if anything. Same with Lambert, Sherwood, Garde etc even when they were recieving pelters on here, the support in the stands was still there.
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I feel Bruce is a good fit for the Villa right now, however at the first blip it will be Bruce Bluenose this and fat spud head the next - he hasn't a hope in hell of succeeding - Villa fans far to fickle in support of players and managers.
Absolute bollocks! Villa fans being percieved as fickle is what lazy journalists and Blues fans trot out, McLeish was given support throughout his tenure right up until the Bolton game even though the majority didn't want him in the first place, thats not fickle, its blind loyalty if anything. Same with Lambert, Sherwood, Garde etc even when they were recieving pelters on here, the support in the stands was still there.
Come off it, have you never been on a match thread?
All football fans are fickle, it's in our nature, it can't be helped.
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I feel Bruce is a good fit for the Villa right now, however at the first blip it will be Bruce Bluenose this and fat spud head the next - he hasn't a hope in hell of succeeding - Villa fans far to fickle in support of players and managers.
Absolute bollocks! Villa fans being percieved as fickle is what lazy journalists and Blues fans trot out, McLeish was given support throughout his tenure right up until the Bolton game even though the majority didn't want him in the first place, thats not fickle, its blind loyalty if anything. Same with Lambert, Sherwood, Garde etc even when they were recieving pelters on here, the support in the stands was still there.
Come off it, have you never been on a match thread?
All football fans are fickle, it's in our nature, it can't be helped.
Read my last sentence.
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Yeah ok, same happen in the stands though. A player will get slated then he scores, he's cheered.
A manager makes a substitution, he's slated, player scores. It happens all the time. We're all guilty at times, not just Villa fans either.
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Yeah ok, same happen in the stands though. A player will get slated then he scores, he's cheered.
A manager makes a substitution, he's slated, player scores. It happens all the time. We're all guilty at times, not just Villa fans either.
We may be fickle but we know irony when we see it - remember when we were booing them on and booing them off - in the back of the Holte we were always laughing about cheering a good pass and then booing when they got it back.
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Ian I think you're missing the important bit, the original post specifically stated 'villa fans are far to fickle'. That is entirely unfair because it suggests that fans of other clubs are less so which is wrong sports fans in general are fickle because they're passionate and that leads to flash judgments which are sometimes proven wrong. Ever since the line from DOL fickle has been used as an insult aimed at villa fans to score cheap banter points and that's not something we should further inflict on ourselves. If Bruce comes in and doesn't start well he'll get booed fairly quickly. That won't be because the fans are fickle, it'll be because the fans don't like him but have tried, for however long, to give him a chance.
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presumably, the Cotterill story is a wind-up too? Please say it is?
Please God say it is! That really would be the end of Aston Villa.
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It started with Sky, and had a handy link to their in-house betting markets.
The Birmingham Mail just did a copy and paste job, because that -and gormless videos of gormless Gregg- is journalism ver.2016 according to the Mail.