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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: UK Redsox on August 30, 2016, 02:50:49 PM
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https://www.avfc.co.uk/News/2016/08/30/kodjia-joins-villa
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Aston Villa Football Club is delighted to announce the signing of forward Jonathan Kodjia from Bristol City.
The 26-year-old completed his medical at Bodymoor Heath this morning before penning a four-year contract.
Kodjia scored 20 goals in 48 appearances for the Ashton Gate outfit last season and now links up with the Ivory Coast for their 2017 Africa Cup of Nations qualifier against Sierra Leone on Saturday before returning to Bodymoor Heath.
Boss Di Matteo said: “We are really pleased to have secured the services of Jonathan.
“He is a proven goalscorer and hopefully he’ll play an important part in what we hope will be a successful season for the Club.”
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I know next to nothing about him, but welcome aboard Sir, score shit loads!
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I'd never heard of him until a couple of weeks ago but welcome our world class striker.
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Maybe Tone meant "international class" when he said "world class"
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Is anyone else thinking injury on Saturday..? 😖
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Good luck to him. We need a loan or two in January for the African Cup!
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Dr Tony is back on Twitter:-
Dr. Tony Xia @Dr_TonyXia 29s seconds ago
Kodjia almost closed a sign with other clubs including perims be4we turned into him.We're delighted he chose playing 4Villa! Welcome Kodjia!
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I can't stand those perims clubs.
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come on let's get behind this guy and the team - you can't accuse tone of not putting his money where his mouth is
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Dr Tony is back on Twitter:-
Dr. Tony Xia @Dr_TonyXia 29s seconds ago
Kodjia almost closed a sign with other clubs including perims be4we turned into him.We're delighted he chose playing 4Villa! Welcome Kodjia!
That clears that up then.
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Pace up front, hallelujah!
Dr X is gonna be hung out to dry on the world class comment but if Kodija bangs in 25 he'll be that to us.
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he was either getting a blow job from Moneypenny and was a bit shaken and stirred at the time he texted that, or it was turbulence.
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Quoted £14 million for him a few weeks back (which seemed ludicrous then).
Signed for £17 million at the end of the transfer window. Canny.
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It's beyond me why people feel the need to take the piss.
Welcome Jonathan
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Welcome Jonathan. Hope you justify the apparent fee and bring some much needed cutting edge to this team.
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Score some goals and you'll have a statue in no time.
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The amount of chances we are creating, he should be able to do his job effectively and bring us back. Very happy with this signing. He won't have to be a Benteke to be successful in this team and league. Welcome Jonathan!
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11 million rising to 15. Not bad if say.
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Quoted £14 million for him a few weeks back (which seemed ludicrous then).
Signed for £17 million at the end of the transfer window. Canny.
Do we ever really know the truth in the figures bandied about though?
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Quoted £14 million for him a few weeks back (which seemed ludicrous then).
Signed for £17 million at the end of the transfer window. Canny.
'City have agreed a club record sale of Jonathan Kodjia to Aston Villa for a fee worth up to £15m.'
From BCFC official site.
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Really can't please some people. A proven international striker who scored 20 goals in the championship.Hope we still keep Ayew so we have competition for places.
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Kodjia departs for Villa in club record sale
Posted: Tue 30 Aug 2016
Author: Mark Perrow
image: http://www.bcfc.co.uk/cms_images/player/kodjia43213-3280090_613x460.jpg
Jonathan Kodjia
Jonathan Kodjia
Image by: jmpuk.com
City receive fee worth up to £15m for striker.
Kodjia departs for Villa as City's club record sale after clubs agree £15m fee
Striker signs a four-year deal at Villa Park
Ivory Coast international scored 20 goals in 52 City appearances
City have agreed a club record sale of Jonathan Kodjia to Aston Villa for a fee worth up to £15m.
The deal is more than four times the club’s previous record of £3.5m set when Ade Akinbiyi joined Wolves in September 1999.
The striker has signed a four-year contract at Villa Park after undergoing a medical with the Midlands club, who will pay an initial £11m for his services.
Kodjia, 26, arrived at Ashton Gate from French side Angers SCO last summer and went on to make 52 appearances in a City shirt.
His landmark 20th goal of last season, against Huddersfield Town, would be his last for the club.
Paris-born Kodjia also made his international debut for Ivory Coast during his time in BS3, scoring on his second cap against Gabon in June.
Chief operating officer Mark Ashton said: “We want to build the club in the right way and we’ve had a very active and positive summer in the transfer market.
“We’ve continually told Jonathan that we don’t want him to go, but recently he’s made it clear that he’s aware of the interest of other clubs and that he wanted to leave.
“After lengthy discussions with (head coach) Lee Johnson, the board and importantly (majority shareholder) Steve Lansdown, we felt that if we got the right offer we would allow him to leave.
“We have turned down several bids from other Championship clubs and also clubs in the Premier League.
“On Saturday night I spoke to Aston Villa and explained to them our detailed valuation and payment terms. Villa agreed to match those terms and subsequently permission was given for Jonathan to discuss personal terms and undergo a medical.
“This is the largest fee this club has ever received and once again shows how far we are progressing and the high regard in which our players are held.
“Due to the high profile nature and speculation surrounding the deal we have chosen to disclose the fee. We will receive a total of £11m guaranteed, which has the potential to rise to £15m. In addition, we have retained a sell-on clause for a percentage of any future profit.”
Read more at http://www.bcfc.co.uk/news/article/2016-17/kodjia-departs-for-villa-in-club-record-sale-3280055.aspx#4CBp6iwIPxr1ZRTP.99
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£11m rising to £15m with goals and promotion according to Bristol media.
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According to the very club we've signed him from we've paid 11m up front, potentially rising to 15m.
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If the bonuses are for winning the Ashes and the yacht race it might be a bit less mental.
Welcome.
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According to the very club we've signed him from we've paid 11m up front, potentially rising to 15m.
With a day and a half until the window closes that number seems about right.. just the inflation and desperation of 2016.
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Maybe Tone meant "international class" when he said "world class"
In a couple of days nobody will remember or give 1/10 of a fuck about that comment and especially if the player starts banging in the goals. At that point Kodjia will be galaxy class of his contribution helps us get promoted. The owner got a little excited which is a lot better than the comatose one we had before.
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£11m with more if we go up for Kodjia is far more preferable than £20m for Hernandez.
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welcome to the Villa JK...do us proud :)
UTV
The Doc
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I hope he is better than Panicbuyi.
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He's going to be fantastic, fact.
I know this because he has a sell on clause, which of course we will all be moaning about next season. It's the way Villa works
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Welcome. A lot of money though for a bloke the same age and with a near identical record to Rudy when we signed him. On the massive plus side, it's not £20m on Hernandez!
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Well his goal celebrations are great. No sulkypants is our Jonathan.
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Quoted £14 million for him a few weeks back (which seemed ludicrous then).
Signed for £17 million at the end of the transfer window. Canny.
Do we ever really know the truth in the figures bandied about though?
£11m up front rising to £15m on the beeb.
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Note this from Bristol City: Due to the high profile nature and speculation surrounding the deal we have chosen to disclose the fee. We will receive a total of £11m guaranteed, which has the potential to rise to £15m. In addition, we have retained a sell-on clause for a percentage of any future profit.
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Quoted £14 million for him a few weeks back (which seemed ludicrous then).
Signed for £17 million at the end of the transfer window. Canny.
Do we ever really know the truth in the figures bandied about though?
£11m up front rising to £15m on the beeb.
And according to Bristol City
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He's big, fast and strong. It's exactly what we need. We now have two prolific goalscorers at this level. Most sides would love to have what we have now. We should much further up the table than we are had we just been able to find the net. Hopefully we have a couple more signings still to come especially in midfield and defence but we should now have what we need as an attacking force.
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£11m with more if we go up for Kodjia is far more preferable than £20m for Hernandez.
A million times better.
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He's big, fast and strong. It's exactly what we need. We now have two prolific goalscorers at this level. Most sides would love to have what we have now. We should much further up the table than we are had we just been able to find the net. Hopefully we have a couple more signings still to come especially in midfield and defence but we should now have what we need as an attacking force.
*Cough* Rudy *cough*
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He's going to be fantastic, fact.
I know this because he has a sell on clause, which of course we will all be moaning about next season. It's the way Villa works
It's the release clause I'd be worried about.
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Welcome....
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£11m with more if we go up for Kodjia is far more preferable than £20m for Hernandez.
A million times better.
9 million ;)
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Given they scored around 45 goals between them in The Championship last season I would say I'm more than happy with McCormack and Kodjia as our new striking options
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We have now bought the 2nd and 4th top scorers from last seasons Championship, with numbers 1 and 3 being with promoted clubs. That's a pretty decent statement. A midfielder / playmaker now and I thinks we have done very well from where we were.
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Sounds like a good signing. Quick with good movement and an eye for goal. Probably paid too much, but so has everyone else this summer. If we can put away our chances it will heap less pressure on our defence and midfield.
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Three 20 goal strikers at this level and Ayew. That's some firepower we've got there.
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Welcome Jonathan to the best club you will ever play for
Arsenal looking to loan out wilshere now that would be good
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He's big, quick and a good finisher. He's exactly who we need to play in front of McGoalmack.
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Hes cote d'ivoire so could posssible be away January if they qualify for the african cup of nations. Ivory coast are current champs but stillneed to come through a group of three teams: Ivory Coast, Sudan, and Sierra Leone. The hosts of the 2017 final tournament Gabon also in group but they don't count as competitive match and are friendlies. Anyhow welcome JK I think he'll get 25 goals this season! 😊exciting signing ! More if he doesn't leave on international duty !
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https://youtu.be/yk7mhIZVEhA
Would love some of this...
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Arsenal looking to loan out wilshere now that would be good
Old glass ankles. He would be injured too often
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Arsenal looking to loan out wilshere now that would be good
Old glass ankles. He would be injured too often
In robust championship too ! Also it 'll be like Germaine Jenas when he came and was injured
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I wonder if Jonathan will be given the number 9 shirt?
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He's going to be fantastic, fact.
I know this because he has a sell on clause, which of course we will all be moaning about next season. It's the way Villa works
It's the release clause I'd be worried about.
I wouldn't worry about the release clause because we can always create a bidding war once someone triggers it.
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Nice open and honest statement from Bristol City. We do seem to be cutting through the media b*******.
Not seen him play but sounds as though he is the strong and powerful figure we need up front.
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Welcome to The Villa Jonathon. Here's to you being a real success with us & helping yourself to heaps of juicy goals! :)
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I am impressed with Dr Xia.He has provided RDM with the finance and the support with the information.In fact I am more than impressed.
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Of the players weve been linked with this summer he's the one I wanted most. Should be a great signing, I've never been wrong before*
*have almost exclusively been wrong before.
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Must admit i know nothing about him, anyone know why he didn't play against us at the weekend?
I like the way we are doing business, flexing a bit of muscle, but we have to start winning games now.
The clause referred to i take as a sell on clause, i.e we have to pay a % of any profit we make back to Bristol City, not a release clause like Ganas.
Anyway i hope he is successful and stays for a good few years until he is an old Kodjia.
(PS See ya Gabby)
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Welcome Jonathan look forward to seeing you score a load of goals for us.
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Is this bloke young, or is he an old Kodjia?
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Wonder how much this deal was.
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https://youtu.be/yk7mhIZVEhA
Would love some of this...
If he does anywhere near that I will be very happy!
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Another good signing. Now let's start winning some football matches!
Welcome Jonathan.
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Is anyone else thinking injury on Saturday..? 😖
Not yet. First he has to score 5 goals in 7 games, *then* he gets a season-ending injury.
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It's beyond me why people feel the need to take the piss.
Welcome Jonathan
Its what H&V is for.
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£11m with more if we go up for Kodjia is far more preferable than £20m for Hernandez.
Yes it most certainly is.
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His first international goal was a cracker.
A very good signing for a championship club and that's exactly what we are.
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Welcome Jonathan. I'm excited to see what he can do in Villa shirt.
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Welcome to Villa Park young man - take your chances and we will all be happy
Noticed he wore a Vardy-like forearm bandage at one point last season - that's a sign I tell ye!
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Bristol City fans on twitter are taking the piss saying they have raped us on the fee. I find this a bit small time as well as the decision by them to publicise the fee. They don't actually get what big transfers are about really, £11m really isn't a lot by today's standards.
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It's beyond me why people feel the need to take the piss.
Welcome Jonathan
Its what H&V is for.
Exactly. Where else can fans take an irreverent swipe at the club we support? I hope Kodija has a great career with us and I hope we keep the self-deprecating humour coming. It's what we do well.
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I am assuming his first language is French. If we need to give him some expert advice we can always ask Eric Black to give us the benefit of his 35 years of turning silk purses into sows' ears. Hey that rhymes.
Welcome Jonathan you are going to be a Villa legend. The Black Alan McInally.
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https://youtu.be/yk7mhIZVEhA
Would love some of this...
Great enthusiasm. I think he'll be a great signing. Will do well with McCormack.
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In a weak side he looked confident and direct, don't imagine he'll go hiding.
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Happy with this, we needed pace and movement up front to open up the space for the 3 in behind. Grealish has started the season very well and mccormack has been involved without actually improving us so far because, as I said when he signed, he wasn't the type of striker we were desperately needing.
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Welcome Jon. There is room for a hero at this great Club. Grab it.
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He might bring the best out of McCormack if unlike Ayew at present who can't/won't lift his head.
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https://youtu.be/yk7mhIZVEhA
Would love some of this...
Great enthusiasm. I think he'll be a great signing. Will do well with McCormack.
Just need to get him near the six yard box, something that we've not had for a while
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So we have three players who have scored over 20 goals in a Championship season plus Jordan Ayew who is capable of it.
We desperately need a winger to provide them with the chances.
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https://youtu.be/yk7mhIZVEhA
Would love some of this...
Great enthusiasm. I think he'll be a great signing. Will do well with McCormack.
Just need to get him near the six yard box, something that we've not had for a while
Looks really skillful too.
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So we have three players who have scored over 20 goals in a Championship season plus Jordan Ayew who is capable of it.
We desperately need a winger to provide them with the chances.
I agree we could do with a winger
But we've been creating bucket loads of chances without one. So I'm not overly worried.
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Just had this from a Bristol City fan I saw on Thursday last week;
"We were like rabbits caught in the head lights first half and Villa looked a decent side. They fell apart 2nd half and soon as one went in, you knew we would score again.
The spine is there for you boys although you need a goalie. I can’t believe you have paid £15m for Kodjia though. He will frustrate the hell out of you as whilst a good player for us, he misses loads, has no left foot and caught offside a lot. Bags of potential but you need players who are polished now not in a couple of seasons time."
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Just had this from a Bristol City fan I saw on Thursday last week;
"We were like rabbits caught in the head lights first half and Villa looked a decent side. They fell apart 2nd half and soon as one went in, you knew we would score again.
The spine is there for you boys although you need a goalie. I can’t believe you have paid £15m for Kodjia though. He will frustrate the hell out of you as whilst a good player for us, he misses loads, has no left foot and caught offside a lot. Bags of potential but you need players who are polished now not in a couple of seasons time."
The flip side of that is that as an undoubtedly unpolished player, he still managed 19 goals in a weak side in his first season in England. With the right coaching and development, that suggests a decent player in there.
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https://youtu.be/yk7mhIZVEhA
Would love some of this...
Great enthusiasm. I think he'll be a great signing. Will do well with McCormack.
Just need to get him near the six yard box, something that we've not had for a while
feet and head , he's an improvement. welcome
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Three of our front men, Ayew, Gestede and Kadjia are French speakers. Can only help. Ross could do a lot worse than brush up on his language skills.
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He certainly looks strong, fast, mobile and a good finisher on You Tube. Let's hope he's a hero in the making.
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https://youtu.be/yk7mhIZVEhA
Would love some of this...
and only one pen too , thats good news
Welcome Jon
we have a bloody good strike force now
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Three of our front men, Ayew, Gestede and Kadjia are French speakers. Can only help. Ross could do a lot worse than brush up on his language skills.
If the other three want to speak French but Ross says they're going to speak Glaswegian, then I suspect they'll be speaking Glaswegian ;D
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Welcome Jonathan Kodjia. No one can complain about Doctor Tony, he has put his money where his mouth is and spent the cash during the close season. It's up to the players now to perform on the pitch and the fans to give the support to get us out of this division
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Welcome Jonathan Kodjia. No one can complain about Doctor Tony, he has put his money where his mouth is and spent the cash during the close season. It's up to the players now to perform on the pitch and the fans to give the support to get us out of this division
Happy with this signing - I now wait to see which world class striker will be signing for us tomorrow!
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Don't know a great deal about him but welcome aboard.
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It appears he wears glasses.Must wear contacts on the pitch.
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Must admit I'd never heard of him until now but a bit more firepower will never go amiss. Preferable to spending £20m on Hernandez anyway.
Anyone think we'll be spending any more in this window or is that our lot? Can't fault Xia either way. He's held up his end of the bargain.
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We need pace and he seems to have bags of that. Hopefully he justifies the fee and I still hope there's a couple more to come. We need a winger and centre half cover.
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We need pace and he seems to have bags of that. Hopefully he justifies the fee and I still hope there's a couple more to come. We need a winger and centre half cover.
Another central midfielder wouldn't go a miss though watching that OS video of Mr & Mrs, Lyden seems to be teacher's pet so hopefully he'll get his chance. Having a fellow Aussie alongside him as his mentor could be a masterstroke.
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We need pace and he seems to have bags of that. Hopefully he justifies the fee and I still hope there's a couple more to come. We need a winger and centre half cover.
Happy with the signing as had is exactly the type of forward we needed. With Okore gone, CB cover is a must, unless RDM still sees Richards as an option (hope not). I still think we need another central midfielder and a wide player on top of that. Could maybe see a couple of loans come in?
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Looks really skillful too.
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Know nothing about this guy, and I know YT clips can make even the worst players look good, but he looks more impressive than I thought
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Bristol City fans on twitter are taking the piss saying they have raped us on the fee. I find this a bit small time as well as the decision by them to publicise the fee. They don't actually get what big transfers are about really, £11m really isn't a lot by today's standards.
They're a very smalltime club really, harmless enough. They won't sell many players for this kind of amount so their eyes are spinning in their heads. Steve Lansdown will probably pocket it anyway.
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I've said before that we needed to focus more on midfield now, but still he's a good age and had a good record in the Championship last season. If he improves on what we've got and adds a bit of pace then it should be a good buy.
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He clearly is the type we need - whether he's good enough is another point. We'll see.
I do think he might rival ayew in the greediness stakes.
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Just had this from a Bristol City fan I saw on Thursday last week;
"We were like rabbits caught in the head lights first half and Villa looked a decent side. They fell apart 2nd half and soon as one went in, you knew we would score again.
The spine is there for you boys although you need a goalie. I can’t believe you have paid £15m for Kodjia though. He will frustrate the hell out of you as whilst a good player for us, he misses loads, has no left foot and caught offside a lot. Bags of potential but you need players who are polished now not in a couple of seasons time."
All forwards miss lots of chances it's how many they score that's important.
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It appears he wears glasses.Must wear contacts on the pitch.
He might just be a hipster poseur.
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At the risks of over generalising, the Bristol city fans I know down here (including my mate who I quoted earlier) never strike me as the most knowledgeable on matters of football. Also we've just swiped their most saleable player as a backup option. I'll take their comments with a pinch of salt.
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He does seem extremely right footed
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He does seem extremely right footed
Yes, but he scored a lovely goal swapping from right foot to left creating space to shoot with his left.
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Bristol City fans on twitter are taking the piss saying they have raped us on the fee. I find this a bit small time as well as the decision by them to publicise the fee. They don't actually get what big transfers are about really, £11m really isn't a lot by today's standards.
They're a very smalltime club really, harmless enough. They won't sell many players for this kind of amount so their eyes are spinning in their heads. Steve Lansdown will probably pocket it anyway.
But like us with Benteke to Liverpool then.
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There's a lot of Bristol fans celebrating how much money they've got for him.
We all know what becomes of selling your better players. Especially 20 goal a season strikers.
Plenty of bitter carrot crunchers too giving it the "bad move, we'll finish above em" shite.
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Bristol City fans on twitter are taking the piss saying they have raped us on the fee. I find this a bit small time as well as the decision by them to publicise the fee. They don't actually get what big transfers are about really, £11m really isn't a lot by today's standards.
It's a lot for them when they previous record fee they received was the £3.5m they got from Wolves for Akinbiyi in 1999.
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World class. My arse.
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World class. My arse.
does it really matter?
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World class. My arse.
Having never seen your arse, I will take your word for it. ;-)
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https://youtu.be/yk7mhIZVEhA
Would love some of this...
Of all the shit music they put on these things, that is the shittest I've ever heard.
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Looks a good signing. I'd rather spend 11 on him than 20 for Hernandez. Hernandez seemed keen to join us but evidently as soon as our offer went up from 11ish to a gargantuan 20 for him, he probably thought "well, if they're willing to offer Hull that much, I could grab another 20k off them."
But Kodija looks exactly what we need. Pace and a bit of skill up front. He can finish and he's pretty strong too. I think he's an excellent alternative to big Rudy. In fact our 3 main options, all of whom are capable of hitting 20 in this division, are nice and varied.
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World class. My arse.
Having never seen your arse, I will take your word for it. ;-)
It's seen its best. 😊
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Looks really skillful too.
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Know nothing about this guy, and I know YT clips can make even the worst players look good, but he looks more impressive than I thought
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Is he scared to use his left foot? It amazes me that you can become a professional footballer and only be able to kick with one foot. A lot of the flashy bits in that footage could have been achieved with less effort if he was two footed. Hmmmmmm.
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Welcome, do us proud or everyone will say you are shit and a waste of money
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Good luck to the lad, can't say I'm sure about either the value for money or if he's what we need though.
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It appears he wears glasses.Must wear contacts on the pitch.
Andy Townsend wore contacts. He lost one during the semi-final with Arsenal I recall. Pretty sure Tony Daley wore contacts too.
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Welcome, do us proud or everyone will say you are shit and a waste of money
Yeah. That's broadly how it works.
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Welcome Jonathan...score 25 goals this season, get us promoted and you'll become a Villa "legend"...it's too long since we had one of those!
UTV!
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Welcome. Please don't be shit.
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Welcome. Please don't be shit.
this tickled me
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Good luck, Jonathan.
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Well I'm looking forward to him linking up with Ross. He looks Quick, mobile and knows how to finish. Looks like he doesn't rely on balls from width either which would suit us well.
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Good luck, Jonathan.
Haha is this a set up for a my wife went to Nigeria joke?
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Seems like a rough diamond but could be just what we need..it's a lot of money but then it's standard now.
Ashamedly, had a little trawl through their forum about him...seems very highly rated by them (up until he was leaving, then he's shit..standard stuff).
Loads of BCFC fans getting arsey about it on social media...saying we've been mugged. Roughly translated means they are gutted he's gone....
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It looks like he always wears a sort of bandage on his left hand. What is it?
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Welcome! Hopefully he is just the kind of energy we need up front.
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It looks like he always wears a sort of bandage on his left hand. What is it?
A Jamie Vardy tribute. Let's just dream of him and McCormack hitting form together.
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This is what brothers mate who is a season ticket holder at Bristol City sent me when I asked if he's worth it:
Good player, does miss allot of chances but will score lots if provided, strays offside quite abit. Imo you have paid 7 million over what I feel he's worth. But best of luck to him, his goals kept us up last season and he has made us 13 million, so no sour grapes.
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This is what brothers mate who is a season ticket holder at Bristol City sent me when I asked if he's worth it:
Good player, does miss allot of chances but will score lots if provided, strays offside quite abit. Imo you have paid 7 million over what I feel he's worth. But best of luck to him, his goals kept us up last season and he has made us 13 million, so no sour grapes.
Look at it another way, if we end up paying £15m for him, he will have succeeded and worth every penny of the fee. If he doesn't and we end up paying £11m, it's probably about £3m over. It's a gamble worth taking.
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This is what brothers mate who is a season ticket holder at Bristol City sent me when I asked if he's worth it:
Good player, does miss allot of chances but will score lots if provided, strays offside quite abit. Imo you have paid 7 million over what I feel he's worth. But best of luck to him, his goals kept us up last season and he has made us 13 million, so no sour grapes.
To be honest that's the sort of player we are in for. Very good but with certain flaws. If he was the finished article we'd be up against teams in the Premier league and the price would have been higher again.
We're paying silly money but then I see teams like Swansea, Palace West Ham linked with players over £28m.
The world of football is a strange place when it comes to finances.
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Hard to complain when our new owner is willing to pay over the rate to get the best players in our division.
I like his ambition and I dont mind at all the jibe we are trying to "buy promotion" , damn straight we are. Nice to have an owner who is trying to.
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Once everyone gels I hope we are a force to be reckoned with. Goals flying in, left right and centre...
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It could be them hanging around the opposition goal without service because westwood is pointing to where the ball should have gone.
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Never heard of him, but by all accounts he's quite handy, so we're looking pretty tasty up front now.
Still worried about the midfield, though.
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twice the price Benteke cost us, price paid appears mental and I doubt he was anywhere near first choice.
Desperately needed a front man though and appears we got our pants pulled down on the price as a result.
No excuses I'm afraid, 25m plus on McCormack/Kodija
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twice the price Benteke cost us, price paid appears mental and I doubt he was anywhere near first choice.
Desperately needed a front man though and appears we got our pants pulled down on the price as a result.
No excuses I'm afraid, 25m plus on McCormack/Kodija
And many times more than what we signed Yorke for.
Prices are x2 last season, and x2 again this summer.
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twice the price Benteke cost us, price paid appears mental and I doubt he was anywhere near first choice.
Desperately needed a front man though and appears we got our pants pulled down on the price as a result.
No excuses I'm afraid, 25m plus on McCormack/Kodija
Hmm...not sure. I think we're just getting used to another step up in transfer fees/wages. It's often a bit shocking when it first happens.
I remember when my mate couldn't believe Shearer going for £15m. He asked me 'do you think Villa will ever pay that much for a player?'
I said yes, when other clubs are paying about £30m for them.
I wasn't far out.
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Welcome Jonathan, there's a crown there just waiting for you to seize it. It's up to you. I wish you well.
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I thought Gardener was the new Clarke, but I suspect it will be Kodija
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I thought Gardener was the new Clarke, but I suspect it will be Kodija
:)
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I suggest Kodjia will be more Garry Thompson than Benteke in this division. And that's not a bad thing at all.
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Kodija and Adomah should provide us with some much needed pace, McCormack, Grealish and Ayew should benefit hugely from this.
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I'm actually looking forward to a game for once.
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Will Codger be wearing number 9 ?
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Kodjia, Adomah and McCormack, De Laet and Tshibola are all likely to smash the Clarke record this season.
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Kodija, Adomah and McCormack, De Laet and Tshibola are all likely to smash the Clarke record this season.
Thank God we didn't sign Assombalonga.
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Kodija, Adomah and McCormack, De Laet and Tshibola are all likely to smash the Clarke record this season.
Thank God we didn't sign Assombalonga.
They did that song "Tubthumping" I think.
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Kodija and Adomah should provide us with some much needed pace, McCormack, Grealish and Ayew should benefit hugely from this.
We need to find the right blend without leaving us too exposed. But I agree, more pace up top should really give grealish and McCormack a lot more space between the lines. I think those two - as well as ayew - are technically way better than 99% of players in this league
But the midfield two or three will have to really work hard to give them a platform.
It's a laughable comparison, but I'm thinking early arsene Wenger arsenal as a template. It would be a poor man's version but the compassion would be:
Jedinak as petit
Tshibola as vieira
Grealish as pires
Ayew / adomah as ljungberg / parlour (although there's a case for more of a worker than a forward here to give better balance perhaps)
McCormack as bergkamp
And, ahem, kodjia as Henry / Anelka
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Kodija, Adomah and McCormack, De Laet and Tshibola are all likely to smash the Clarke record this season.
Like that you mean? :P
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Kodija, Adomah and McCormack, De Laet and Tshibola are all likely to smash the Clarke record this season.
Like that you mean? :P
Well spotted!
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Great sig Ian.
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Kodija, Adomah and McCormack, De Laet and Tshibola are all likely to smash the Clarke record this season.
Thank God we didn't sign Assombalonga.
They did that song "Tubthumping" I think.
You mean Chumblywumbly.
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Jedinak as petit
Tshibola as vieira
Grealish as pires
Ayew / adomah as ljungberg / parlour (although there's a case for more of a worker than a forward here to give better balance perhaps)
McCormack as bergkamp
And, ahem, kodjia as Henry / Anelka
Bacuna is probably closer to fit to Ljungberg/Parlour. I'm slightly worried that to play all of our new signings we're going to be woefully undermanned defensively or asking players to play out of position (Grealish in the 2 of the 4231?).
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Kodija and Adomah should provide us with some much needed pace, McCormack, Grealish and Ayew should benefit hugely from this.
We need to find the right blend without leaving us too exposed. But I agree, more pace up top should really give grealish and McCormack a lot more space between the lines. I think those two - as well as ayew - are technically way better than 99% of players in this league
But the midfield two or three will have to really work hard to give them a platform.
It's a laughable comparison, but I'm thinking early arsene Wenger arsenal as a template. It would be a poor man's version but the compassion would be:
Jedinak as petit
Tshibola as vieira
Grealish as pires
Ayew / adomah as ljungberg / parlour (although there's a case for more of a worker than a forward here to give better balance perhaps)
McCormack as bergkamp
And, ahem, kodjia as Henry / Anelka
To be fair you did say it was a laughable comparison, but good grief, that doesn't really stand up to any sort of scrutiny does it?!
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I did say it was laughable! But in terms of shape, and given we're a league down, I do think we could be looking to set up that way.
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Risso - I think it is a fair comparison in terms of the shape and possible tactics of the team.
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I think Risso is trying to reconcile the comparison between one of the best ever champions of the top flight of English football with a team that is sat in bottom half of the championship on the back of a humiliating relegation. It's a little challenging to contemplate.
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Kodjia, Adomah and McCormack, De Laet and Tshibola are all likely to smash the Clarke record this season.
Like that you mean? :P
No idea what you're talking about!
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The Invincibles MkII. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha - that's me laughing like a drain. Nice on Mr.Collins.
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The Invincibles MkII. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha - that's me laughing like a drain. Nice on Mr.Collins.
The Indifferentistas.
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Risso - I think it is a fair comparison in terms of the shape and possible tactics of the team.
In the same way I can be compared to George Clooney as we both have 2 legs, 2 arms and a hole in our arse.
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That's easy for you to say.
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Kodija and Adomah should provide us with some much needed pace, McCormack, Grealish and Ayew should benefit hugely from this.
We need to find the right blend without leaving us too exposed. But I agree, more pace up top should really give grealish and McCormack a lot more space between the lines. I think those two - as well as ayew - are technically way better than 99% of players in this league
But the midfield two or three will have to really work hard to give them a platform.
It's a laughable comparison, but I'm thinking early arsene Wenger arsenal as a template. It would be a poor man's version but the compassion would be:
Jedinak as petit
Tshibola as vieira
Grealish as pires
Ayew / adomah as ljungberg / parlour (although there's a case for more of a worker than a forward here to give better balance perhaps)
McCormack as bergkamp
And, ahem, kodjia as Henry / Anelka
It's a shame we sacked Garde - he was the new Wenger
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Just scored for CIV an amazing overhead kick, superb goal!! He looks a cracking player!!
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Just scored for CIV an amazing overhead kick, superb goal!! He looks a cracking player!!
I need to click 'like'.
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Just scored for CIV an amazing overhead kick, superb goal!! He looks a cracking player!!
I need to click 'like'.
You got to see it, goal of the year contender. If it was Messi or Ronaldo there'd be a full on jizz fest!
He's got great technique, pace, power and is leading the line well.
Very impressed!
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Very Doug Ellis..
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That is outstanding. He's been at the club a few days and Doug has already made him a better player. The Emeritus One still has it.
Well done Johnny
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Watching the game live now. 1/2 hour to go
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If he produces that in a Villa shirt he will soon be a hero.
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Please let him be the next Drogba or Diego Costa, and striker that suddenly puts it all together in his mid to late 20's and takes off.
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Let's hope this lad can recreate some much needed magic down at B6. Trying very hard not to get carried away, but feeling really positive about the way we've gone about strengthening the squad with a good mix of potential and experience.
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Game ended 1-1. Ivory Coast qualify for the tournament in January which means we will be without Kodjia for about a month.
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A touch of Benteke about that goal.
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He's big, strong and fast. He didn't do a whole lot in the game and IC aren't a great side. He came off the pitch healthy which was really important.
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Game ended 1-1. Ivory Coast qualify for the tournament in January which means we will be without Kodjia for about a month.
They'll be another 7 months for him to make a contribution :)
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Jesus. What a screamer!!
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Did he look like he could lead the line or was he more of a support striker?
Did he seem as ridiculously one footed as the highlights suggest?
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He's big, strong and fast. He didn't do a whole lot in the game and IC aren't a great side. He came off the pitch healthy which was really important.
And full of confidence.
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He's big, strong and fast. He didn't do a whole lot in the game and IC aren't a great side. He came off the pitch healthy which was really important.
And full of confidence.
Absolutely. He'll be bouncing when he gets back and it will be such a boost to the rest of the players seeing their new striker and teammate do that.
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20 goals before January please Jon, that'll cover the month we miss you for.
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He fell over and somehow shanked it in as he was falling.
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"He fell over! He fell over! He fell over!"
#Pre-PremierLeagueChants
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What a cracker.
Having never seen him play for an entire game I can't comment on what he's like but going off clips he sure likes to celebrate every goal he scores, bang lots in for us Big John and we'll all be happy.
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I presume that JK didn't play against us last weekend because the deal was already in place for him to come to Villa? Hopefully, he is the player we are looking for, pace, power and movement.
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Of course they come off as spectacular but coming off an opposition defender's head, that strike looks all the more more instinctive and opportunist and I like that.
Away from home, players tired, perhaps against the run of play late in the game, having a striker who can shock an opposing defence with something out of nothing. It'd be nice to have a striker who can pluck those sorts of opportunities.
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He fell over and somehow shanked it in as he was falling.
Yes sort of as our Emile used to do!
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He's taken number 27. Anyone have an idea why 9 remains free?
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He's taken number 27. Anyone have an idea why 9 remains free?
According to Pravda/Peoples Daily, RdL is 27
https://www.avfc.co.uk/players/r/d/ritchie-de-laet
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And Codger is 26
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Sorry, 26. Adomah takes 37.
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Nine is waiting for The Return of The Beast. Hopefully.
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amen to that.
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If we had got Codger last season the void left by The Beast would perhaps not have hurt us so badly. Onwards and upwards. Come on Codger the Dodger.
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If we'd signed a 25 year old from the French second division as his replacement people would have shit a brick even more than they did over Rudy.
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True. Sighs.
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looking forward to seeing him on Sunday - interesting story this morning that we failed with a loan move for Rhodes on deadline day
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If Elba was a suitable destination for Napoleon, Rhodes would be a suitably remote place to send Gabby.
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If Elba was a suitable destination for Napoleon, Rhodes would be a suitably remote place to send Gabby.
I like Rhodes, please don't send him there.
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If Elba was a suitable destination for Napoleon, Rhodes would be a suitably remote place to send Gabby.
I like Rhodes, please don't send him there.
Send him to Faliraki. Keep him away from the old town and Lindos.
(Based on slightly fuzzy memories from 20 years ago)
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Gozo might suit. Would go down as The Bozo in Gozo.
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Send him to Plum Island
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He'd enjoy the turns that nest on the very, very nice beach on Plum Island.
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Send him to Plum Island
Send him to Fantasy Island. He could be Tattoo's sidekick.
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Rhodes would be a suitably remote place to send Gabby.
Send the slug back to Tatooine ;)
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He'd be very much at home in the Hutt's palace
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He'd be very much at home in the Hutt's palace
Ha. Does that make laughing boy Richards Salacious Crumb?
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love it.
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Looks Gestede lite with the ball at his feet although he did have a lovely run at 2-1 up in the corner by the Holte.
Unlucky not to score with the header first half.
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Gestede lite?
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Gestede lite?
Even if that were right, which it isn't, Gestede has morphed into Messi/Ronaldo/Pele this season, so it's alright by me.
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Gestede lite?
Yeh I didn't get that either. Kodjia is a very decent step up from Gestede and Rudy's doing very well this season.
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He looked uncomfortable dribbling with the ball imo, y'know like Rudy does against any decent defence.
That said he was unlucky to score with a few headers.
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He turned them inside out 3 or 4 times when dribbling?? Liked what I saw, another day he scores twice today. At least his efforts required saving!
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Gestede lite?
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Nonsense. He got in behind. He had good movement. He took people on. He did that lovely touch on the break
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I thought he was excellent today, and deserved a goal for his performance. I like him!
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Gestede lite?
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Nonsense. He got in behind. He had good movement. He took people on. He did that lovely touch on the break
It was me who said it, not Ads.
I wasn't blown away like other forwards have on their debuts although suppose I have to remind myself the level we now operate at.
He'll score goals for us no doubt but I suppose the issue here is I look at how far a player can step up e.g. in the early games you could see Gestede was very limited beyond heading the ball and so it proved.
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Fair enough
I was pleasantly surprised though. I thought he might be mostly a poacher
I thought he looked exactly the sort of player we need.
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Fair enough
I was pleasantly surprised though. I thought he might be mostly a poacher
I thought he looked exactly the sort of player we need.
I agree. A far more impressive debut than McCormack's for example.
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He has a great jump on him, wants to get involved, has good pace, at last, a forward with pace. A beast in the making I hope.
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Fair enough
I was pleasantly surprised though. I thought he might be mostly a poacher
I thought he looked exactly the sort of player we need.
I agree. A far more impressive debut than McCormack's for example.
Benteke, Baros, Phillips, Gestede, Bent, Carew?
In fairness when you look at it we've had a look of forwards who have had excellent debuts rather than shockers like JPA did.
Couple of those were excellent strikers for us, others were best forgotten...
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He might end up being a turkey, who knows
But he was good today, and played in the way we've needed a striker to play since benteke left
I think away from home, having the option to put the ball into the channels for him or adomah is going to make us much stronger
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Far too early to judge Kodjia. I thought he did well today and looks encouraging for the season. Needs time to gel like many others in a new squad.
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Already looks to be linking up well with McCormack though which was promising.
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Promising start, could do with getting that first goal for us soon just to take the pressure off him, Wednesday night would be good
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Looked excellent.
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I like him.
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I didn't know anything about him at all and thought we had overpaid but...fair play to him, the best debut since Didier Six, he was excellent.
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Not better than carbone! Good, but not that good
Could have had a hat trick though
Nice variety to his game - pace, movement, heading, link play, drift wide and central
More of that please
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One run in the second half was Tekkers-esque
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Very good debut. As I said when we signed RM he wasn't the player we 'needed' at that point but Kodjia looked like he might be. Looking at him today I stick by that, sign them the other way round and I reckon we'd be 4-5 points better off already this year.
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One run in the second half was Tekkers-esque
the downward bullet header was outstanding too. Very unlucky not to score with that and very good save from the keeper.
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Not better than carbone! Good, but not that good
Could have had a hat trick though
Nice variety to his game - pace, movement, heading, link play, drift wide and central
More of that please
Yep. Thought he linked up well with Gestede when he came on as well. Encouraging start.
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Early days but looks a player and one who may have the ability to play at a higher level, the one thing a forward needs nowadays is pace and he appears to have that to spare and also a certain amount of positional sense. Welcome Kodjia.
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Early days but looks a player and one who may have the ability to play at a higher level, the one thing a forward needs nowadays is pace and he appears to have that to spare and also a certain amount of positional sense. Welcome Kodjia.
Agree with all that.
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Again, early days but he seems to have just about everything in his armoury. Pace, power, skill and good in the air. How effective he is remains to be seen but it was an inpressive debut.
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Thought he had a lively debut. Seems to have good pace and movement. Maybe his finishing could be sharper. But so far it looks like he can make a difference. Its just about RDM getting the right balance up front. I wouldn't mind seeing him play a front two. Certainly don't want to see Ross play anywhere else except up front.
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I agree he might be better in a proper two - though it does have implications for all those players who want to play between the lines in a 4231.
At this level, being a bit more direct and getting physical in the box seems to pay dividends - some of the defending you see on the channel 5 highlights programme is so bad that we could prosper just by getting it into the mixer a bit more
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He reminds me of Kanu the Arsenal dude. Slightly gangly, occasionally clumsy but capable of some sublime skills.
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He reminds me of Kanu the Arsenal dude. Slightly gangly, occasionally clumsy but capable of some sublime skills.
He's quicker than Kanu thankfully.
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He reminds me of Kanu the Arsenal dude. Slightly gangly, occasionally clumsy but capable of some sublime skills.
He's quicker than Kanu thankfully.
Kanu still looked pretty decent in an Arsenal legends game last week. Not bad for a 64 year old.
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He reminds me of Kanu the Arsenal dude. Slightly gangly, occasionally clumsy but capable of some sublime skills.
He's quicker than Kanu thankfully.
Kanu still looked pretty decent in an Arsenal legends game last week. Not bad for a 64 year old.
Was his elder brother, Yakubu playing?
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Kanu was a superb player, part of the excellent Nigeria side in 94 who were incredibly unlucky to win their group only to face Italy in the next round. I reckon they'd have gone on to the semis if they'd have faced a 'realistic' 3 placed side.
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Kanu was a superb player, part of the excellent Nigeria side in 94 who were incredibly unlucky to win their group only to face Italy in the next round. I reckon they'd have gone on to the semis if they'd have faced a 'realistic' 3 placed side.
Did he really play much in that tournament? I seem to remember that team as being Amokachi / Yekini / Finidi George, with Kanu arriving on the scene a few years later.
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wasn't he 94 in 94?
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He made his first world cup appearance in 1998.
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Excited for tomorrow, I was really encouraged by his debut
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Excited for tomorrow, I was really encouraged by his debut
Me too. It's strange looking forward to seeing a Villa player and a game of football.
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He made his first world cup appearance in 1998.
Memories tell the greatest lies.
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He made his first world cup appearance in 1998.
Oh ok, makes sense, I remember watching him at a world cup and I remember loving Nigeria in 94 so I've muddled the 2 together.
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He made his first world cup appearance in 1998.
Oh ok, makes sense, I remember watching him at a world cup and I remember loving Nigeria in 94 so I've muddled the 2 together.
Yup, they were definitely loads of fun in both tournaments.
That '98 game against Spain with great Raul and Oliseh goals and a terrible Zubizareta own goal seems to be printed on my memory for some unknown reason.
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Yep loved Nigeria and Cameroon and their exploits in World Cups in the 90s.
Both have terrible national teams nowadays, infact both are in the same world cup group along with Algeria so doubt we'll see either at 2018 world cup.
Nigeria's "creative" midfielder being Jon Obi Mikel sums things up I think.
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Both have terrible national teams nowadays, infact both are in the same world cup group along with Algeria so doubt we'll see either at 2018 world cup.
Nigeria's "creative" midfielder being Jon Obi Mikel sums things up I think.
Given their attacking options though they should be doing better (or start to, given the youth of some of them). Musa, Iheanacho, Ighalo, Moses and Iwobi isn't a bad front five with Mikel sitting deeper.
Until he retired Enyeama was the best African keeper by a distance as well.
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Actually you're right Nigeria have some decent youth coming through and they did alright at last world cup but I don't think they play an exciting style anymore particularly in midfield.
Cameroon are a waste of time at world cups now, a shame.
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Oh ok, makes sense, I remember watching him at a world cup and I remember loving Nigeria in 94 so I've muddled the 2 together.
I was a big fan of Yekini. I still have an Olympiakos shirt with his name on the back. That iconic celebration in the net was amazing.
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Actually you're right Nigeria have some decent youth coming through and they did alright at last world cup but I don't think they play an exciting style anymore particularly in midfield.
Cameroon are a waste of time at world cups now, a shame.
I think taking a genius like Okocha away from any team would make them look dull by comparison.
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Was in the minority of not being wowed at the weekend but he was the best player by miles tonight.
Not just the goals but some of his runs and dribbling was excellent, one of the few who took the fight to Brentford.
Keep Gestede on the bench and play this lad through the middle!
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He was excellent again. Him and Ayew up front would be good but moving Ayew forward loses his drive from midfield and he's the only one doing that.
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Shouldn't be playing out wide!
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The tactical genius that is our manager shunting him wide and leaving that donkey up top.
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This guy is a powerful, no nonsense centre forward. Play him there.
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Looks a handful, lets play him wide to accommodate panto donkey and all the other forwards then.
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In Kod We Trust
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In Kod We Trust
That looks fishy. There's no plaice for that kind of ecumenical nonsense in todays game.
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In Kod We Trust
That looks fishy. There's no plaice for that kind of ecumenical nonsense in todays game.
That would be an ecumenical matter.
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He played out wide for Bristol from time to time apparently and he did ok there last night but yeah, through the middle looks his best position.
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Happy with his two performances thus far. Even if he was playing on the wing last night for some weird reason
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Happy with his two performances thus far. Even if he was playing on the wing last night for some weird reason
I'm not sure he would have played there had Grealish been fit. It wasn't a total disaster of a decision though, he did score from cutting in from out wide.
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He looks a real menace. The only positive from last night.
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Happy with his two performances thus far. Even if he was playing on the wing last night for some weird reason
I'm not sure he would have played there had Grealish been fit. It wasn't a total disaster of a decision though, he did score from cutting in from out wide.
He still looked good no doubt, but i'd much rather have had him up top where Gestede was. Heck, i'd even have played Bacuna out wide if needs be
This idea of cramming four strikers into a starting eleven will never work IMHO
You pick 2, possibly three and rotate as required to my mind
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In Kod We Trust
That looks fishy. There's no plaice for that kind of ecumenical nonsense in todays game.
But with him in the team we should be battering the opposition
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He has an excellent first touch, controls the ball beautifully.
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Really good player, worth every penny based on what I've seen so far. Looking forward to seeing him link with Albert too.
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In the 2 games so far he's looked very much like a Benteke clone.
I'm not for one minute saying he will be as good as him, just an early observation.
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Bloody play him as a proper centre forward tomorrow please !
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hear hear - why do managers insist on playing players out of position?
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I don't get why people don't understand why he played there the other night. He's played there before and it was because Grealish was out. As long as it doesn't become a habit, what's the problem?
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As it unbalanced us and saw us sacrifice an entire hour of the game.
He should have brought Bacuna in and played him right and Ayew left either side of him up top. No team in the league will push up an extra 10 yards, unless they're mad, when they have pace occupying them.
We recycled it so cheaply because we had Gestede up front who couldn't hold it up or run in behind. Easy pickings for Brentford.
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I don't get why people don't understand why he played there the other night. He's played there before and it was because Grealish was out. As long as it doesn't become a habit, what's the problem?
So you don't think that playing him out there possibly nullified our goal threat?
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I don't get why people don't understand why he played there the other night. He's played there before and it was because Grealish was out. As long as it doesn't become a habit, what's the problem?
So you don't think that playing him out there possibly nullified our goal threat?
It did playing Gestede through the middle possibly but like i said, as long as it's not a regular tactic then fine.
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There's no need to force square pegs in round holes.
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Bloody play him as a proper centre forward tomorrow please !
how strange was that on Wednesday night
trying to shoe horn Rudy in , The Kod up front and leave Rudy on the bench please
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I thought Kod played pretty well, but yes ultimately I'd prefer him as a striker. Rudy is much better as an impact sub.
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I think rudy has been a real threat at home so I understood the decision
I'd play kodjia up front tomorrow though
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Why do these managers consistently play players out of position? Adomah and Jack wide with Ayew and Kodjia up top? I think McCormack will miss out with an injury?
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Guardian article on Kodjia (https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/sep/22/jonathan-kodjia-ivory-coast-new-didier-drogba-aston-villa)
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Guardian article on Kodjia (https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/sep/22/jonathan-kodjia-ivory-coast-new-didier-drogba-aston-villa)
Seems intelligent doesn't he?
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And grounded - perhaps through being a late starter appreciating it all a bit more.
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The drogba comparison is an interesting one, similar stature, strength, pace, good on the ball but also they both made the breakthrough to being genuine goalscorers later, Drogba only got double figures for the first time in the season he turned 25 and Drogba is another player who wasn't part of the professional game until he was older (17 in his case). I'm not saying he'll be that good but I can understand why some people have seen him and drawn those comparisons.
I'd heard little of him before we linked but everything I've seen since suggested he was the right player for us and I wish we'd got him in much earlier, as I said when we signed McCormack a genuine 9 with pace, power and a good understanding of movement off the ball was the most important signing we needed to make this summer and I think we've got a good one here.
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Need two up top to get the best out of Kodj, IMO. Kodj and Gestede with Adomah coming in on the right to give us a bit more balance.
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But that means no McCormack and two in midfield (without even a no 10 to help make up the numbers) which many say has been a problem
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Need two up top to get the best out of Kodj, IMO. Kodj and Gestede with Adomah coming in on the right to give us a bit more balance.
no no no, and just in case there is any doubt, no. Gestede as back up from the bench. Kodjia up top with McCormack playing just behind or alongside. McCormack seems like an intelligent footballer (we don't get many of those at the villa) and will get the best out of Kodjia, especially with our lack of a true creative midfielder. And then 2 from 3 with Ayew, Grealish and Adomah
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Hows about:
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Bacuna --- CB ----- CB ----Amavi
----Tish-------Jedi------Grealish-----
--------------McCormack-------------
--------Ayew--------Kodija-----------
The width would mainly be provided by the full-backs and one of the striker drifting wide. Importantly it get three bodies in the centre of the pitch so the team should not be easily over run.
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Hows about:
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Bacuna --- CB ----- CB ----Amavi
----Tish-------Jedi------Grealish-----
--------------McCormack-------------
--------Ayew--------Kodija-----------
The width would mainly be provided by the full-backs and one of the striker drifting wide. Importantly it get three bodies in the centre of the pitch so the team should not be easily over run.
I'd swap Ayew and RMc but agree otherwise.
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Guardian article on Kodjia (https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/sep/22/jonathan-kodjia-ivory-coast-new-didier-drogba-aston-villa)
Seems intelligent doesn't he?
Another Cantona?
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Bloody play him as a proper centre forward tomorrow please !
trying to shoe horn Rudy in , The Kod up front and leave Rudy on the bench please
Yes then Clarky (if he plays) will have some work on his hands.
how strange was that on Wednesday night
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Hows about:
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Bacuna --- CB ----- CB ----Amavi
----Tish-------Jedi------Grealish-----
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--------Ayew--------Kodija-----------
The width would mainly be provided by the full-backs and one of the striker drifting wide. Importantly it get three bodies in the centre of the pitch so the team should not be easily over run.
I'd swap Ayew and RMc but agree otherwise.
I agree it's intriguing. We'd need to work on it properly in training as it's quite hard to play the diamond well.
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Hows about:
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Bacuna --- CB ----- CB ----Amavi
----Tish-------Jedi------Grealish-----
--------------McCormack-------------
--------Ayew--------Kodija-----------
The width would mainly be provided by the full-backs and one of the striker drifting wide. Importantly it get three bodies in the centre of the pitch so the team should not be easily over run.
Just a few flaws in that line up. First not playing Benteke in his strongest position, second we sold him to Liverpool, third is how are you going to clone him into two?
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This kid looks like he could be very, very special.
I said before, to me, he looks so much like Collymore at his best.
He has so much pace, power and trickery.
I hope he becomes a superstar for us.
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I see he has scored this evening against Mali. Ivory Coast 2-1 up after about thirty minutes.
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I see he has scored this evening against Mali. Ivory Coast 2-1 up after about thirty minutes.
And Mali captain looks like Yacouba Sylla
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Hows about:
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Bacuna --- CB ----- CB ----Amavi
----Tish-------Jedi------Grealish-----
--------------McCormack-------------
--------Ayew--------Kodija-----------
The width would mainly be provided by the full-backs and one of the striker drifting wide. Importantly it get three bodies in the centre of the pitch so the team should not be easily over run.
I'd swap Ayew and RMc but agree otherwise.
I agree it's intriguing. We'd need to work on it properly in training as it's quite hard to play the diamond well.
I agree with the bit in bold above. Ayew in the 'number 10' position and McCormack partnering Kodjia, with Gestede as an impact sub. I'm not sure about Grealish as part of a three man midfield but there aren't really any other options.
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This kid looks like he could be very, very special.
I said before, to me, he looks so much like Collymore at his best.
He has so much pace, power and trickery.
I hope he becomes a superstar for us.
Lets help him out and stop playing him out wide. We do love a square peg in a round hole at Villa.
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Kodjia with McCormack behind him looks the best bet on paper to me
But I think all his best performances has been with gestede in the pitch, often out wide
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If we're going to play 4-4-1-1, I would play Bacuna out on the right and get him to come help in the middle of the park since he at least has some familiarity with playing there. At least in that case you can still play Kodjia and McCormack through the middle, and Ayew out on the left, but get a bit more midfield support unlike the 4-2-4 nonsense we've effectively been trying to get by with, which was never going to work with the midfielders we have.
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I agree we might need one of the wide midfielders to do exactly that job
I wish we had better alternatives than Bacuna though
We should also remember that playing very attacking formations has done us good as well as bad this season
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Scored a cracker for Cote D'Ivoire yesterday.
They play him as a central striker, Bristol did, we should.
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Scored a cracker for Cote D'Ivoire yesterday.
They play him as a central striker, Bristol did, we should.
Not rocket science is it. Kodjia and McCormack down the middle. Ayew and Grealish wide. Kodjia is wasted out wide.
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Scored a cracker for Cote D'Ivoire yesterday.
They play him as a central striker, Bristol did, we should.
Not rocket science is it. Kodjia and McCormack down the middle. Ayew and Grealish wide. Kodjia is wasted out wide.
Except isn't that the sort of "424" formation that many feel has been a big problem and leaves us too exposed in the middle? I'd like to play that way but it needs two really good central midfielders who will get through a lot of work
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Scored a cracker for Cote D'Ivoire yesterday.
They play him as a central striker, Bristol did, we should.
Not rocket science is it. Kodjia and McCormack down the middle. Ayew and Grealish wide. Kodjia is wasted out wide.
Still too luxury for me.....I actually agree with WM in that we can't play Ayew and Grealish in the same team as they both want to take up the same space in attacking midfield.
With Jack's attitude in recent weeks I think he's played his way out again...non existant at Preston.
Maybe we should go back to the 4-3-2-1 we were playing under Sherwood. Kodjia central with McCormack and Ayew just behind him.
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Scored a cracker for Cote D'Ivoire yesterday.
They play him as a central striker, Bristol did, we should.
Not rocket science is it. Kodjia and McCormack down the middle. Ayew and Grealish wide. Kodjia is wasted out wide.
Still too luxury for me.....I actually agree with WM in that we can't play Ayew and Grealish in the same team as they both want to take up the same space in attacking midfield.
With Jack's attitude in recent weeks I think he's played his way out again...non existant at Preston.
Maybe we should go back to the 4-3-2-1 we were playing under Sherwood. Kodjia central with McCormack and Ayew just behind him.
The midfield three are crucial to that formation. Delph and cleverly were both capable of pulling out wide and making lots of energetic forward and backward runs. Only Tshibola fits the bill for us at the moment
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Scored a cracker for Cote D'Ivoire yesterday.
They play him as a central striker, Bristol did, we should.
Not rocket science is it. Kodjia and McCormack down the middle. Ayew and Grealish wide. Kodjia is wasted out wide.
Still too luxury for me.....I actually agree with WM in that we can't play Ayew and Grealish in the same team as they both want to take up the same space in attacking midfield.
With Jack's attitude in recent weeks I think he's played his way out again...non existant at Preston.
Maybe we should go back to the 4-3-2-1 we were playing under Sherwood. Kodjia central with McCormack and Ayew just behind him.
The midfield three are crucial to that formation. Delph and cleverly were both capable of pulling out wide and making lots of energetic forward and backward runs. Only Tshibola fits the bill for us at the moment
Agree. The only time our midfield has looked anything like decent over the last few years was when Sylla and Delph, and then Cleverley and Delph had a decent run of games in midfield. To be fair to him, Ashley Westwood turned in some decent performances during those spells as well.
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Scored a cracker for Cote D'Ivoire yesterday.
They play him as a central striker, Bristol did, we should.
Not rocket science is it. Kodjia and McCormack down the middle. Ayew and Grealish wide. Kodjia is wasted out wide.
Still too luxury for me.....I actually agree with WM in that we can't play Ayew and Grealish in the same team as they both want to take up the same space in attacking midfield.
With Jack's attitude in recent weeks I think he's played his way out again...non existant at Preston.
Maybe we should go back to the 4-3-2-1 we were playing under Sherwood. Kodjia central with McCormack and Ayew just behind him.
The midfield three are crucial to that formation. Delph and cleverly were both capable of pulling out wide and making lots of energetic forward and backward runs. Only Tshibola fits the bill for us at the moment
Yep, the problem with 4-2-3-1 is that you get overrun in midfield unless you have two physically dominant midfielders, which we don't have (or either your number 10 or a wide player is willing and able to put in a shift while defending), but on the other hand, 4-3-3 leaves you short in attack if none of your midfield three has some skill going forward, which we also don't have in our midfield - well, Tshibola might have it, but injuries mean we haven't been able to evaluate just yet.
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Worth every penny we paid for him
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The Kodge 8)
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Worth every penny we paid for him
What a bloody change to say that about a player, and I agree. Could see him being able to make the step up too.
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3 goals in 3 games now, he'll beat Vardys record easy 8)
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"Rhythm is a dancer, Kodjia is the answer, He will score from anywhere!"
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Kodjia is class! I hope the big guns in the Premier League don't come sniffing? The more goals he scores the more attention he attracts. Must keep him and get Benteke back alongside him!
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Kodjia is class! I hope the big guns in the Premier League don't come sniffing? The more goals he scores the more attention he attracts. Must keep him and get Benteke back alongside him!
Imagine that. Tears in the eyes.
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He's very good and appears to have a good attitude too.
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He's a sexy Mother Hubbard
Adomah is doing well, but I wonder about the prospect of McCormack at the top of a diamond with kodjia and ayew as split strikers
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Said at the time that he was hugely preferable to Hernandez.
He's not going to be a Benteke or a Yorke for us, but he could easily be a Dublin or a Carew.
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Hernandez isn't even starting for hull at the moment
He does look a lot better than I thought he might be. But seems to do most of his best work wide or off a no 9?
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"Rhythm is a dancer, Kodjia is the answer, He will score from anywhere!"
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"Rhythm is a dancer, Kodjia is the answer, He will score from anywhere!"
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I take it that it's just me trying to work in a rhyme with 'todger'?
I'm such a juvenile.
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"Rhythm is a dancer, Kodjia is the answer, He will score from anywhere!"
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I take it that it's just me trying to work in a rhyme with 'todger'?
I'm such a juvenile.
"We've got Jonny Kodjia, He's got a massive todger, He will score from anywhere!"
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Stolen from a Bristol city forum to the tune of radio gaga, "all we need is Jonathan Kodjia "
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Play him down the middle, he scores goals.
Play him out wide, he's wasted.
Steve, please play him where he's most effective.
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Play him down the middle, he scores goals.
Play him out wide, he's wasted.
Steve, please play him where he's most effective.
Catchy, I like it.
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Play him down the middle, he scores goals.
Play him out wide, he's wasted.
Steve, please play him where he's most effective.
Didn't he score v Brentford from out wide? And start looking more threatening v forest out wide? I do agree that I'd rather him than gestede but i don't agree it's silly to play him wide
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A constant menace and threat, works his socks off, knackered at the end and a great goal.
He is better down the middle (Gestede was poor today) but his adaptability to operate either side will be invaluable for us
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if he keeps scoring who cares! Very good yesterday and a brilliantly taken goal.
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I think he's really excellent. He's gonna be a star here.
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With Kodiga and Ayew, we could play two false nines, that would really mess with the football hipster's minds.
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Tony Daley 1998 vs Jonathan Kodjia 2016. Such an exciting player, what a goal!
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Happy Belated Birthday JK
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Stolen from a Bristol city forum to the tune of radio gaga, "all we need is Jonathan Kodjia "
If the chant's long enough it can end with......... "and we've got Ayew"
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Something, something...KODJIA...
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I really like him long may his scoring run continue.
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I agree.
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I really like him long may his scoring run continue.
Darren I woke this morning delighted to see you not sitting on the fence on this issue. I wholeheartedly agree.
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I agree with everyone that agrees
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So do I
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So do I. Yeah!
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Play him down the middle, he scores goals.
Play him out wide, he's wasted.
Steve, please play him where he's most effective.
Catchy, I like it.
This made me snort my cuppa. Very good sir!
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He reminds me of Dalian Atkinson or Dwight Yorke a little. Such an exciting talent.
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I agree with all those you agree.
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But do you think you agree as much as I do cuz I live far away!
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He reminds me of Dalian Atkinson or Dwight Yorke a little. Such an exciting talent.
Hmm, but he's at peak-age for a footballer, can he get much better? The Drog late-bloomer comparison may well be wishful thinking.
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Early days, I know, but so far so good....
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A constant menace and threat, works his socks off, knackered at the end and a great goal.
He is better down the middle (Gestede was poor today) but his adaptability to operate either side will be invaluable for us
I've worked out that it's early Manic Street Preachers but I can't pinpoint the tune. Though it's always like that with them when you only see a lyric.
They always wrote the words first. Very Bernie Taupin.
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I agree to agree with those who agree
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He reminds me of Dalian Atkinson or Dwight Yorke a little. Such an exciting talent.
Hmm, but he's at peak-age for a footballer, can he get much better? The Drog late-bloomer comparison may well be wishful thinking.
Don't think JK became a professional until late in footballing terms - early 20's? Think Ian Wright was 22- 23 when he signed for Palace (I know he's an exception to the rule but fingers crossed...)
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I don't like him and hope his scoring run ends.
Just offering an alternative view here sheeple.
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Rowett has had a go at him for going down to easily. I would think his back has still got Shottons knee lodged in it. Think Rowett has firmly put himself in utter twat territory this week.
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Sounds like Jonathan will be ok after that kick from their defender when he got his second goal. I thought he was excellent again. A constant threat.
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According to a couple of press reports, following Kodjia's goal yesterday Steve Bruce immediately pulled him off. Will he still get his win bonus as well?
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Sounds like Jonathan will be ok after that kick from their defender when he got his second goal. I thought he was excellent again. A constant threat.
Really think he looks better as a wide forward cutting in from the left.
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According to a couple of press reports, following Kodjia's goal yesterday Steve Bruce immediately pulled him off. Will he still get his win bonus as well?
Err, no - he looked badly hurt but made an effort to carry on after treatment. When it was obvious he could barely walk he got subbed.
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According to a couple of press reports, following Kodjia's goal yesterday Steve Bruce immediately pulled him off. Will he still get his win bonus as well?
Err, no - he looked badly hurt but made an effort to carry on after treatment. When it was obvious he could barely walk he got subbed.
I have a feeling it was a "pulled off" joke and yours was a bit of a 'wooooosh' moment.
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Sounds like Jonathan will be ok after that kick from their defender when he got his second goal. I thought he was excellent again. A constant threat.
Really think he looks better as a wide forward cutting in from the left.
That's what Bruce said too.
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He took his second goal so well yesterday. Glad to hear he's not too badly hurt.
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How many is that for the season now?
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How many is that for the season now?
6 for us I think. Not sure how many he scored for Bristol City prior to that.
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0.
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Good.
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Sounds like Jonathan will be ok after that kick from their defender when he got his second goal. I thought he was excellent again. A constant threat.
Really think he looks better as a wide forward cutting in from the left.
That's what Bruce said too.
Which means a choice of McCormack, Gestede or Agbonlahor as the centre forward.
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I still think we'll see him play upfront out of necessity. I doubt Bruce will have been that encouraged by his performance at blues. But the alternatives listed above aren't inspiring. And ayew and grealish are both able to play left side. I'd rather play one of them plus kodjia and adomah than play gestede or McCormack there and leave both in the bench, when we face Brighton
I wonder if Bruce will be really pushing gabby to be ready to start that game
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Love this guy already and hope he gets the protection he deserves from refs for rest of season. Will be interesting to see how he copes with physical nature of Brighton defenders as he seems quite light weight at times.
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;D
The Kodge 8)
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What a buy, brilliant so far
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A steal at whatever price we paid.
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A truly exciting player, he puts you on the edge of your seat every time he gets the ball.
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This guy is a bit special.
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Bruce after the match again said he plays best from the left. Will be interesting to see what he does abler that. He doesn't seem to want to buy another forward, but I'd be loath to put gabby or gestede in the middle
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Why not Gestede in the middle Matt? I think he would get loads of goals in that team
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Kodjia and Ayew as split forwards is the way to go for me, I've said it a few times. Get Adomah to tuck in on the right and Grealish to tuck in on the left with both of them having a licence to go in or out and switch things up with the front pair.
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Don't forget we paid £15m for him according to WM (we paid £11m), and he was way overpriced. Now he will be in the PL next season no matter what division we are in.
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Did anyone else see today where he left one of their players on his arse, stopped to laugh then carry on playing? I'm surprised it hasn't been mentioned.
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Did anyone else see today where he left one of their players on his arse, stopped to laugh then carry on playing? I'm surprised it hasn't been mentioned.
I thought he caught one in the face, stopped for a second with his hand to is face to check for damage and then did the player like a kipper.
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His crossing from either wing today was poor but other than that he was brilliant again.
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This guy is a bit special.
Not quite as talented as Benteke but a 90 minutes involved player. Never goes out of the game.
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This guy is a bit special.
Not quite as talented as Benteke but a 90 minutes involved player. Never goes out of the game.
I'm seeing this slightly differently. They are two different types of player. Benteke had his fair share of quiet games. He rarely scored against top 6/7 sides. Kodjia (for me) is best wide left but can fulfill a role up top. Kodjia has been consistent and unlike Benteke, hasn't so far gone out of the game.
Two separate divisions so it's hard to judge but in terms of talent, he is every bit as good as Benteke at this moment in time for me.
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Think you re being a little unfair on Benteke, though think Kodjia looks a top player
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Yes OK I recognised they are different players however in terms of pure talent Benteke was ahead whereas Kodjia is always involved.
Oh by the way are you conveniently forgetting Benteke's goals against the like of Manu and Liverpool?
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Yes OK I recognised they are different players however in terms of pure talent Benteke was ahead whereas Kodjia is always involved.
Oh by the way are you conveniently forgetting Benteke's goals against the like of Manu and Liverpool?
I''m not conveniently forgetting anything, he also scored great goals against Chelsea, home and away.
Generally, he scores against lower table opposition, as he did at Liverpool and as he is currently doing at Palace.
Personally, Benteke is history to me. I don't want him back and prefer to focus on where we are now.
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Olaftab, much as I like Kodjia, he is playing in the second division. I like the fact Kodjia seems to be enjoying being at our club and hopefully that will continue for some time
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Yes OK I recognised they are different players however in terms of pure talent Benteke was ahead whereas Kodjia is always involved.
Oh by the way are you conveniently forgetting Benteke's goals against the like of Manu and Liverpool?
I''m not conveniently forgetting anything, he also scored great goals against Chelsea, home and away.
Generally, he scores against lower table opposition, as he did at Liverpool and as he is currently doing at Palace.
Personally, Benteke is history to me. I don't want him back and prefer to focus on where we are now.
I would love him back lol
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You should never go back-It rarely works the second time round.
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Palace fans aren't keen on him I know that, on train from London last night they were moaning about how he tries to do too much when it's easier to shoot or score.
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I'd have the beast back in a flash.
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Yes OK I recognised they are different players however in terms of pure talent Benteke was ahead whereas Kodjia is always involved.
Oh by the way are you conveniently forgetting Benteke's goals against the like of Manu and Liverpool?
I''m not conveniently forgetting anything, he also scored great goals against Chelsea, home and away.
Generally, he scores against lower table opposition, as he did at Liverpool and as he is currently doing at Palace.
Personally, Benteke is history to me. I don't want him back and prefer to focus on where we are now.
He also scored three against Arsenal during his time here, and once against Spurs. Add those to the two he scored against United, four vs Liverpool, and two against Chelsea, and that's 12 goals out of the 49 total he managed. So, just under 25% of his goals were scored against the top six (give or take) clubs in the country, which is hardly a damning ratio.
See, it's probably not a great idea to make claims that can actually be assessed by evidence.
I'm thrilled with the way Kodjia's going for us, but I'm not really enjoying this revisionist downplaying of what Benteke did for us in his three seasons.
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Yes OK I recognised they are different players however in terms of pure talent Benteke was ahead whereas Kodjia is always involved.
Oh by the way are you conveniently forgetting Benteke's goals against the like of Manu and Liverpool?
I''m not conveniently forgetting anything, he also scored great goals against Chelsea, home and away.
Generally, he scores against lower table opposition, as he did at Liverpool and as he is currently doing at Palace.
Personally, Benteke is history to me. I don't want him back and prefer to focus on where we are now.
Absolutely.
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It is a comparative and debatable comment. Most forward generally score more against lower ranked opposition for obvious reasons. Benteke has proved his talent in the Premier League however fadeouts are a common problem with him Kodjia is very effective and always involved but it's the second division as ViL said.
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Yes OK I recognised they are different players however in terms of pure talent Benteke was ahead whereas Kodjia is always involved.
Oh by the way are you conveniently forgetting Benteke's goals against the like of Manu and Liverpool?
I''m not conveniently forgetting anything, he also scored great goals against Chelsea, home and away.
Generally, he scores against lower table opposition, as he did at Liverpool and as he is currently doing at Palace.
Personally, Benteke is history to me. I don't want him back and prefer to focus on where we are now.
He also scored three against Arsenal during his time here, and once against Spurs. Add those to the two he scored against United, four vs Liverpool, and two against Chelsea, and that's 12 goals out of the 49 total he managed. So, just under 25% of his goals were scored against the top six (give or take) clubs in the country, which is hardly a damning ratio.
See, it's probably not a great idea to make claims that can actually be assessed by evidence.
I'm thrilled with the way Kodjia's going for us, but I'm not really enjoying this revisionist downplaying of what Benteke did for us in his three seasons.
You don't have to enjoy it. I'm posting an opinion that is mine, not for the benefit of someone elses enjoyment.
Yes, Benteke was good for us. He's been a bit hit and miss since and I would personally prefer to leave him in the past (sorry if you didn't "enjoy" that statement)
If he came back and proved me wrong then I would be as happy as the next man but given the choice, I'd prefer to build a new side, not have the annual pipe dream of the Bentekes, Barrys, Milners and Youngs of this world returning to us. As I stated earlier, I believe that it is rare for things to work so well the second time around.
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You don't have to enjoy it. I'm posting an opinion that is mine, not for the benefit of someone elses enjoyment.
Surely OK if you post a comment on this forum it's for everyone else to share, enjoy, dislike, reply or ignore? :)
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You don't have to enjoy it. I'm posting an opinion that is mine, not for the benefit of someone elses enjoyment.
Surely OK if you post a comment on this forum it's for everyone else to share, enjoy, dislike, reply or ignore? :)
Call me old fashioned but I thought opinions were there to be discussed and debated, they provoke debate. I'm sorry, I just can't get my head around someone "not enjoying" my opinion. Should I post an opinion that is generally going to be enjoyed by everyone?
I'd agree that opinions are there to be replied to or ignored but not enjoyed.
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You don't have to enjoy it. I'm posting an opinion that is mine, not for the benefit of someone elses enjoyment.
Surely OK if you post a comment on this forum it's for everyone else to share, enjoy, dislike, reply or ignore? :)
Call me old fashioned but I thought opinions were there to be discussed and debated, they provoke debate. I'm sorry, I just can't get my head around someone "not enjoying" my opinion. Should I post an opinion that is generally going to be enjoyed by everyone?
I'd agree that opinions are there to be replied to or ignored but not enjoyed.
I can't see the harm is someone enjoys a post. It's a bit of a small thing to get worked up over.
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You don't have to enjoy it. I'm posting an opinion that is mine, not for the benefit of someone elses enjoyment.
Surely OK if you post a comment on this forum it's for everyone else to share, enjoy, dislike, reply or ignore? :)
Call me old fashioned but I thought opinions were there to be discussed and debated, they provoke debate. I'm sorry, I just can't get my head around someone "not enjoying" my opinion. Should I post an opinion that is generally going to be enjoyed by everyone?
I'd agree that opinions are there to be replied to or ignored but not enjoyed.
I can't see the harm is someone enjoys a post. It's a bit of a small thing to get worked up over.
Good for you.
Who said anything about getting worked up? I am just answering some very strange (and extremely petty) questions. It's far more of a small thing to keep firing questions about.
Nobody said there was any harm in "enjoying" posts
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You can't talk about sparking a debate if you then get touchy about someone disagreeing with you.
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Yes OK I recognised they are different players however in terms of pure talent Benteke was ahead whereas Kodjia is always involved.
Oh by the way are you conveniently forgetting Benteke's goals against the like of Manu and Liverpool?
I''m not conveniently forgetting anything, he also scored great goals against Chelsea, home and away.
Generally, he scores against lower table opposition, as he did at Liverpool and as he is currently doing at Palace.
Personally, Benteke is history to me. I don't want him back and prefer to focus on where we are now.
He also scored three against Arsenal during his time here, and once against Spurs. Add those to the two he scored against United, four vs Liverpool, and two against Chelsea, and that's 12 goals out of the 49 total he managed. So, just under 25% of his goals were scored against the top six (give or take) clubs in the country, which is hardly a damning ratio.
See, it's probably not a great idea to make claims that can actually be assessed by evidence.
I'm thrilled with the way Kodjia's going for us, but I'm not really enjoying this revisionist downplaying of what Benteke did for us in his three seasons.
You don't have to enjoy it. I'm posting an opinion that is mine, not for the benefit of someone elses enjoyment.
Yes, Benteke was good for us. He's been a bit hit and miss since and I would personally prefer to leave him in the past (sorry if you didn't "enjoy" that statement)
If he came back and proved me wrong then I would be as happy as the next man but given the choice, I'd prefer to build a new side, not have the annual pipe dream of the Bentekes, Barrys, Milners and Youngs of this world returning to us. As I stated earlier, I believe that it is rare for things to work so well the second time around.
I agree with that, although at this stage it's ludicrous to compare Kodjia with him.
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Benteke is a better player than Kod. At 27 Kod looks one of the best players in Division 2. At 21 Benteke looked one of the best players in the country.
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You can't talk about sparking a debate if you then get touchy about someone disagreeing with you.
Actually, I am the one doing the disagreeing.
I am not getting "touchy", that is just something that you have added for value.
I think opinions aren't there to be "enjoyed". I think it is a silly thing to say. I saw some ridiculous opinions on who should be our next manager, absolutely laughable. I understood that it was someones opinion though and not something that had been posted for others enjoyment.
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Really pleased how he has hit (4 h words in a row!) the ground running and its clearly his time to be a Villa hero if he continues with his contribution to the team. Benteke was brilliant and on his day unplayable at times for us and he performed at a higher level in arguably a poorer side. I think its tough to compare but possible to equally enjoy what they did or are doing in a Villa shirt.
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You don't have to enjoy it. I'm posting an opinion that is mine, not for the benefit of someone elses enjoyment.
Surely OK if you post a comment on this forum it's for everyone else to share, enjoy, dislike, reply or ignore? :)
Call me old fashioned but I thought opinions were there to be discussed and debated, they provoke debate. I'm sorry, I just can't get my head around someone "not enjoying" my opinion. Should I post an opinion that is generally going to be enjoyed by everyone?
I'd agree that opinions are there to be replied to or ignored but not enjoyed.
I can't see the harm is someone enjoys a post. It's a bit of a small thing to get worked up over.
Good for you.
Who said anything about getting worked up? I am just answering some very strange (and extremely petty) questions. It's far more of a small thing to keep firing questions about.
Nobody said there was any harm in "enjoying" posts
You did say posts were not to be enjoyed though. Why not? I enjoyed reading something Chris Smith posted earlier and PWS has just made me laugh out loud in Off Topic. I enjoy coming on here and I find some posts enjoyable.
I do kind of understand the Benteke comparisons in a way because Kodjia is the first striker we've had since Benteke left that actually looks like a class act and he's scoring on a regular basis. Oh and I've have Benteke back tomorrow.
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Yes OK I recognised they are different players however in terms of pure talent Benteke was ahead whereas Kodjia is always involved.
Oh by the way are you conveniently forgetting Benteke's goals against the like of Manu and Liverpool?
I''m not conveniently forgetting anything, he also scored great goals against Chelsea, home and away.
Generally, he scores against lower table opposition, as he did at Liverpool and as he is currently doing at Palace.
Personally, Benteke is history to me. I don't want him back and prefer to focus on where we are now.
He also scored three against Arsenal during his time here, and once against Spurs. Add those to the two he scored against United, four vs Liverpool, and two against Chelsea, and that's 12 goals out of the 49 total he managed. So, just under 25% of his goals were scored against the top six (give or take) clubs in the country, which is hardly a damning ratio.
See, it's probably not a great idea to make claims that can actually be assessed by evidence.
I'm thrilled with the way Kodjia's going for us, but I'm not really enjoying this revisionist downplaying of what Benteke did for us in his three seasons.
Given that Everton were a solid top six / seven side when Benteke was with us and he got four goals against them, it makes his record even better.
Personally I'd say that his record against the better clubs was one of the last things Benteke could be criticised for.
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passitsideways wasn't 'enjoying' your comment or not just that the contribution of Benteke had been somewhat revised. I agree with him, and others, that Benteke was, and is, worth a lot more (not just monetarily) than Kodjia.
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This guy is a bit special.
Not quite as talented as Benteke but a 90 minutes involved player. Never goes out of the game.
Whilst respecting what Benteke did for us, I prefer watching Kodija play. He has more pace and trickery, whereas Benteke was about power against opposing players, and placing the ball in the net.
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Watching Benteke run onto a pass was brilliant. The ball may not have ended up in the net every time but he was the first striker we had in ages where I thought it might happen.
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Kodjia is a cracking little player but the beast was the beast. His attitude wasn't quite right some of the times but ability wise he could terror any defence. Not sure you can say that about Kodj but nevermind I'm just enjoying having a dangerous striker once more playing in a decent team. We can talk about levels and all that but let's just enjoy winning a few games once again, it's been a long time.
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Kodjia is a cracking little player but the beast was the beast. His attitude wasn't quite right some of the times but ability wise he could terror any defence. Not sure you can say that about Kodj but nevermind I'm just enjoying having a dangerous striker once more playing in a decent team. We can talk about levels and all that but let's just enjoy winning a few games once again, it's been a long time.
Hear Hear
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Just in case anyone was wondering, I don't enjoy any of your posts.
They're all equally unenjoyable.
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Yes OK I recognised they are different players however in terms of pure talent Benteke was ahead whereas Kodjia is always involved.
Oh by the way are you conveniently forgetting Benteke's goals against the like of Manu and Liverpool?
I''m not conveniently forgetting anything, he also scored great goals against Chelsea, home and away.
Generally, he scores against lower table opposition, as he did at Liverpool and as he is currently doing at Palace.
Personally, Benteke is history to me. I don't want him back and prefer to focus on where we are now.
He also scored three against Arsenal during his time here, and once against Spurs. Add those to the two he scored against United, four vs Liverpool, and two against Chelsea, and that's 12 goals out of the 49 total he managed. So, just under 25% of his goals were scored against the top six (give or take) clubs in the country, which is hardly a damning ratio.
See, it's probably not a great idea to make claims that can actually be assessed by evidence.
I'm thrilled with the way Kodjia's going for us, but I'm not really enjoying this revisionist downplaying of what Benteke did for us in his three seasons.
Given that Everton were a solid top six / seven side when Benteke was with us and he got four goals against them, it makes his record even better.
Personally I'd say that his record against the better clubs was one of the last things Benteke could be criticised for.
I'd say it's almost entirely back to front. Benteke was superb against the top sides and relegation sides, he didn't score anything like enough in the games against the midtable sides which is why we were always down the bottom because if he didn't score we didn't and we just couldn't seem to get him into those games.
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Kodjia has been great for us so far, but he's not demonstrated he can perform at the level Benteke did.
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From the Mail. The reason he didn't take the pen
All strikers care about numbers and Kodjia is without doubt the same. But he recognised the boost it would give his attacking rival, who hasn’t found the net since the 2-2 draw with Nottingham Forest on 11 September.
Kodjia clearly understands the role Gestede will have to play in January when he boards the plane with his country. A fantastic gesture from a fantastic player.
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I absolutely don't like that. They're professionals playing a professional sport that is big business. it's not about trying to make your mate's feel better. And if he had missed? And then Cardiff go up the other end and equalise? Nice sentiments and all that but I hope Bruce has a word.
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He didn't miss, so his decision was justified.
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And it was a superbly taken penalty. No evidence of a lack of confidence at all from Rudy.
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He didn't miss, so his decision was justified.
Not it wasn't. When Ormondroyd had score 2 against coventry 20 odd years ago, Platt the recognised penalty taker still took the spot kick and denied Ormondroyd his hat-trick. We should be professional at all times and just because he scored doesn't make the decision the right one. I want us to be ruthless. Not mates.
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I think it says a lot about the faith that Kodjia had in Gestede not to miss. It shows how much of a team they are these days, rather than a load of individuals players. Great gesture from a brilliant player and I applaud him. Equally, if the likes of Hull really are interested in signing the big man, an extra goal can't do him any harm can it?
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I absolutely don't like that. They're professionals playing a professional sport that is big business. it's not about trying to make your mate's feel better. And if he had missed? And then Cardiff go up the other end and equalise?
And if that extra bit of confidence means Gestede scores a late winner in a couple of game time when he might have otherwise tried to lay it off?
As Ads says, it worked so the choice was justified.
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He didn't miss, so his decision was justified.
Just because he didn't miss it does not make the decision right. If the nominated penalty taker is on the pitch he should take the pen. If the nominated penalty taker didn't fancy it than it was correct decision to switch however in that case the nominee should be reconsidered. As peter w said it's not ruthless professionalism.
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Just in case anyone was wondering, I don't enjoy any of your posts.
They're all equally unenjoyable.
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I absolutely don't like that. They're professionals playing a professional sport that is big business. it's not about trying to make your mate's feel better. And if he had missed? And then Cardiff go up the other end and equalise? Nice sentiments and all that but I hope Bruce has a word.
That word would probably go something like "now we have two proven penalty takers in the squad so if ever one is unavailable the other can step up".
Bruce has already shown that he is a pragmatist and I don't see him getting hung up about this. In any case after the 5 minutes Kodja had just had he was probably grateful he didn't have to take it.
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It may be of course nothing more than Gestede just wanted the opportunity to score against his former club!!!
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With Ayew, that's three penalty takers.
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Gestede has only missed one penalty in his career. He's a professional, he's a forward, a penalty taker. Why is the risk in any way increased?
The ends justify the means. He scored, Kodjia was right.
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With Ayew, that's three penalty takers.
Bacuna never missed one for Groningen and, despite his miss earlier this season, McCormack has a good penalty record.
We have a good few options there.
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No problem with Kodjia's decision.
Seems a nice guy on Twitter as well. Must be great to play in a side where your team mates look out for you and that can only be good for morale.
Well done Kodge.
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With Ayew, that's three penalty takers.
Bacuna never missed one for Groningen and, despite his miss earlier this season, McCormack has a good penalty record.
We have a good few options there.
That could come in very handy in, say, a play-off final. Course, if it does I won't know anything about it because I'll have died of a stress-related heart attack towards the end of extra time.
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With Ayew, that's three penalty takers.
Bacuna never missed one for Groningen and, despite his miss earlier this season, McCormack has a good penalty record.
We have a good few options there.
That could come in very handy in, say, a play-off final. Course, if it does I won't know anything about it because I'll have died of a stress-related heart attack towards the end of extra time.
Include Jedinak. He is the penalty taker for Australia.
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We do seem to have a lot of very confident penalty takers, I'd trust Adomah, Amavi and Gardner as well and I seem to recall Grealish slotting a few at U18/U23 level.
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He didn't miss, so his decision was justified.
Not it wasn't. When Ormondroyd had score 2 against coventry 20 odd years ago, Platt the recognised penalty taker still took the spot kick and denied Ormondroyd his hat-trick. We should be professional at all times and just because he scored doesn't make the decision the right one. I want us to be ruthless. Not mates.
I want us to be a team, because a team ethic before the individual is more professional and will get us further. It was the right decision.
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I think the end justified the means even if I was grimacing ever so slightly at the news that Rudy was stepping up to take it.
Whatever works for the team is fine by me.
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I don't care who takes them, as long as they score.
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I think the end justified the means even if I was grimacing ever so slightly at the news that Rudy was stepping up to take it.
Whatever works for the team is fine by me.
If the score had been 3-1 I'd be agreeing with you.
However, at 2-1 and with Villa's record this season of conceding late goals, I want to see the best penalty taker available stepping up.
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It wasn't Garett Southgate taking the penalty. Clearly from the way he put it away he is competent penalty taker. There's no issue here.
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It wasn't Garett Southgate taking the penalty. Clearly from the way he put it away he is competent penalty taker. There's no issue here.
I'll agree that Rudy did take it well
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He did. That's not the point though. Well, not for me, anyhow.
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With Ayew, that's three penalty takers.
Bacuna never missed one for Groningen and, despite his miss earlier this season, McCormack has a good penalty record.
We have a good few options there.
That could come in very handy in, say, a play-off final. Course, if it does I won't know anything about it because I'll have died of a stress-related heart attack towards the end of extra time.
Include Jedinak. He is the penalty taker for Australia.
That could come in very handy in, say, a play-off final. Course, if it does I won't know anything about it because I'll have died of a stress-related heart attack towards the end of extra time.
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WTF
Whats all this chat about penalties and the taking of them.
Were going to win this Thing!!!!
penalties are oh so last year Darlings
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He did. That's not the point though. Well, not for me, anyhow.
What is your point?
A good penalty taker took a penalty instead of another good penalty taker?
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I think the end justified the means even if I was grimacing ever so slightly at the news that Rudy was stepping up to take it.
Whatever works for the team is fine by me.
If the score had been 3-1 I'd be agreeing with you.
However, at 2-1 and with Villa's record this season of conceding late goals, I want to see the best penalty taker available stepping up.
With penalties, there's an element of chance involved, so not sure how you can define one player as being the "best" when they all have similar records from the spot. Kodija could quite easily have had his kick saved, who knows.
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I think if Gestede in our minds was already perceived to be a good penalty taker then this wouldn't be as much of a conversation. We should now be confident that he is. Had Kodjia given that penalty for example to Jedinak, who is an established penalty taker, then would this be any kind of issue?
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I think he's only missed one penalty in his career - for Cardiff, in the League Cup final against Liverpool.
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I think if Gestede in our minds was already perceived to be a good penalty taker then this wouldn't be as much of a conversation. We should now be confident that he is. Had Kodjia given that penalty for example to Jedinak, who is an established penalty taker, then would this be any kind of issue?
What's in our minds shouldn't come in to it. Maybe Rudy buries them for fun in training.
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I really do not understand why a penalty that we scored from is being criticised. It is only beaten for futile arguments by the one about singing along to an Oasis song.
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I really do not understand why a penalty that we scored from is being criticised. It is only beaten for futile arguments by the one about singing along to an Oasis song.
I actually quite like the Oasis song given its spontaneity and lyrics that somewhat resonate with the past 5 years. Having said that, i'm not sure it should become an "official" club song and will probably just be something that slowly drifts away.
As for criticising the Kodjia penalty - we scored, we won. does it really matter? it's not like he got someone from the crowd to take the penalty!
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I really do not understand why a penalty that we scored from is being criticised. It is only beaten for futile arguments by the one about singing along to an Oasis song.
The club are giving us moaners very little nourishment right now and its an uncertain, unfamiliar feeling. So we'll moan about who scored the third goal in a comfortable victory. The pettiness of my carping can be used as an indicator of our results. See it as a positive sign.
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I actually quite like the Oasis song given its spontaneity and lyrics that somewhat resonate with the past 5 years. Having said that, i'm not sure it should become an "official" club song and will probably just be something that slowly drifts fades away.
Fixed that for you.
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Which Oasis song is it? Don't Look Back In Anger?
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I think if Gestede in our minds was already perceived to be a good penalty taker then this wouldn't be as much of a conversation. We should now be confident that he is. Had Kodjia given that penalty for example to Jedinak, who is an established penalty taker, then would this be any kind of issue?
What's in our minds shouldn't come in to it. Maybe Rudy buries them for fun in training.
You missed my point. What's in our minds has created a conversation that wouldn't exist if we as fans knew for sure he was an established penalty taker. None of us know about how he takes them in training, and you're right he could be burying them for fun. Which also might have had something to do with Kodjia allowing Rudy to take it. My personal position is I didn't see any issue in it at all.
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I actually quite like the Oasis song given its spontaneity and lyrics that somewhat resonate with the past 5 years. Having said that, i'm not sure it should become an "official" club song and will probably just be something that slowly drifts fades away.
Fixed that for you.
"Slides away", surely?
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It's all wrong. It should never have happened.
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Throws in a sneeze for good measure.
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Throws in a sneeze for good measure.
Lovely stuff.
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That is quite superb
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Throws in a sneeze for good measure.
Talent not to be sniffed at.
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No it'snot
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I don't think we are in a position to turn our nose up at that level of talent.
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Sudafed the ball to Grealish, he was in.
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Did he sneeze or did he get caught with the guys arm?
I see he's said on Twitter that no disrespect meant to the defender.
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I've never seen that before in a game. Devious Warnock tactic of finding out that Kodjia has allergies and rubbing his players in cat hair.
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It's nice that after all these years the penalty debate has finally moved on from Barry and Young.
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It looks to me like he's stopping to laugh at him
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It looks to me like he's stopping to laugh at him
Whatever he did it looks good that we have a player mugging off the opposition rather than us being mugged off week in week out.
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Did he sneeze or did he get caught with the guys arm?
I see he's said on Twitter that no disrespect meant to the defender.
Just looked at his Twitter. He's asked why he didn't take the penalty and says "it's all about team spirit, all in it together, nobody's left behind". Good to hear there's a good spirit in the team now. He's also posted a pic of himself outside the ground with a couple of kids and thanked them for waiting for him. Seems like a very decent bloke.
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I thought the Cardiff player caught him with a trailing hand, purely accidentally and he had a brief "aaaaaaah" before skipping away.
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Did he sneeze or did he get caught with the guys arm?
I see he's said on Twitter that no disrespect meant to the defender.
Just looked at his Twitter. He's asked why he didn't take the penalty and says "it's all about team spirit, all in it together, nobody's left behind". Good to hear there's a good spirit in the team now. He's also posted a pic of himself outside the ground with a couple of kids and thanked them for waiting for him. Seems like a very decent bloke.
I quite like the idea of having several penalty takers. If Jack is going to keep winning them, oppo keepers are going to have to do a fair bit of homework to prepare for a penalty against us.
Nice.
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I thought the Cardiff player caught him with a trailing hand, purely accidentally and he had a brief "aaaaaaah" before skipping away.
Looked to me that he stopped to offer a moments prayer for the defender he was taking the piss out of.
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Did he sneeze or did he get caught with the guys arm?
I see he's said on Twitter that no disrespect meant to the defender.
Just looked at his Twitter. He's asked why he didn't take the penalty and says "it's all about team spirit, all in it together, nobody's left behind". Good to hear there's a good spirit in the team now. He's also posted a pic of himself outside the ground with a couple of kids and thanked them for waiting for him. Seems like a very decent bloke.
Richards must be very confused by this 'all in it together' camaraderie. That or wondering why there haven't been any offers which activate his release clause.
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He's ace and appears to have a great attitude.
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http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11677/10676738/vote-now-for-your-pfa-fans-player-of-the-month-in-the-sky-bet-championship?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
Hi sorry dont know how to hyperlink but Kodjia is up for fans player of the month here. I know we will be biased but I honestly cant believe anyone else has done more in the division to deserve it. Get your votes in
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Kodjia won player of the month
Sky Sports Link (http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11678/10678197/aston-villa-forward-jonathan-kodjia-wins-pfa-fans-championship-player-of-the-month-for-november)
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Who was our last player to win that award?
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Who was our last player to win that award?
I don't think they had a player of the month comp the last time we were in the 2nd Division!
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Who was our last player to win that award?
I don't think they had a player of the month comp the last time we were in the 2nd Division!
Hah.
Surprisingly, more recently than you'd think - Benteke's decent spell under Sherwood got him player of the month.
Before that, Ashley Young back in 2008 (he won it three times out of six consecutive selections that year, which my hazy memory remembers as being some sort of record). I'm surprised that great spell Milner had under O'Neill, didn't get it.
Back to Ashley Young - our 23 (?) years in the Premiership / Premier League, we've had nine Player Of The Month awards, and those three months for Young in 2008 account for a third of them.
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While I'm on the Wikipedia page, the "huh?" ones that jumped out.
Adam Le Fondre Premier League Player Of The Month in 2013?
Peter Odenwingie twice in a year at West Brom? He was probably their best striker of recent times, but you don't see Mickael Forssell getting huge accolades for his time at Birmingham (apart from March 2004).
I also wonder what Anton Ferdinand did in 2006 to be the best player that month.
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Who was our last player to win that award?
I don't think they had a player of the month comp the last time we were in the 2nd Division!
Hah.
Surprisingly, more recently than you'd think - Benteke's decent spell under Sherwood got him player of the month.
Before that, Ashley Young back in 2008 (he won it three times out of six consecutive selections that year, which my hazy memory remembers as being some sort of record). I'm surprised that great spell Milner had under O'Neill, didn't get it.
Back to Ashley Young - our 23 (?) years in the Premiership / Premier League, we've had nine Player Of The Month awards, and those three months for Young in 2008 account for a third of them.
Especially when you consider Milner went on to win Young Player of the Year in 2009-10
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In fairness, I'd say Milner's greatest strengths are his consistency and work ethic. Not spectacular attributes likely to stand out over the short period of a month, but the sort of skills which impress over a longer duration, like a season.
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I had to Google Mickey Evans, a striker with 4 goals in 22 games for Southampton and he managed to win one.
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Le fondre got 5 in 3 as a sub in each game, think it was about 75 minutes of actual playtime.
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Dont care about the award but I like this lad. Starting to think we have a real class player on our hands.
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I can see kodja win player of month award for december and a few more times this season . He's a class act and award type player
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Looks like we've found a gem. Its been a great start to his Villa career, hope he continues to be a goal threat.
Hope he's popping champagne come the end of the season
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Great goal.
The Artful Kodjia.
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What a display today. He was all over the pitch, kicked & pulled. Some bad decisions against him and a missed penalty, that's character. 10/10
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Bad penalty but impressed that he didn't let it affect him. Going to be a big loss when he goes to the ACN as no other striker looks like scoring.
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We will need to find a different way to play and other players will need to pitch in.
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Think he's great for us I'd just like to see him vary his penalty taking as I think he goes for the same side every time.
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Now we know why Rudy took the penalty!
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Think he's great for us I'd just like to see him vary his penalty taking as I think he goes for the same side every time.
Agree about varying his penalties - even the commentator predicted where he'd put it today!
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Like Benteke in the recent past, alomost single handedly keeping us alive
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His penalties have been scored by sending the keeper the wrong way and unfortunately it didn't work today. Consistent penalty scorers tend to hammer them in.
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He seems to carry the game by sheer will sometimes. I love this guy.
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Works hard, has that charisma we've been missing.
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Couldn't quite believe that his English is either nil or very limited ....I really believe that ALL players should be speaking English ...its not as tho he only arrived in this country a few weeks ago
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I really believe that all footballers should be good at their job.
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Couldn't quite believe that his English is either nil or very limited ....I really believe that ALL players should be speaking English ...its not as tho he only arrived in this country a few weeks ago
I don't think ALL players should have to speak English at all. It would help but it's hardly effected his game since he's been over here.
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It would surely help if everybody within the club spoke the same language
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He is probably focussing his intellect on his Sorbonne accountancy degree.
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Couldn't quite believe that his English is either nil or very limited ....I really believe that ALL players should be speaking English ...its not as tho he only arrived in this country a few weeks ago
I don't think ALL players should have to speak English at all. It would help but it's hardly effected his game since he's been over here.
In any case, his English might be OK, but he might just not yet feel that it's up to the standard required to give TV interviews. He's only been over here 18 months, and I'm not sure I'd be giving interviews on Canal + in French in such a short space of time either.
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He was fantastic. That time when he had a shot which was blocked, thought fuck it I'm having another go, won the ball back and had another cracking effort that was just wide.
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I don't think ALL players should have to speak English at all. It would help but it's hardly effected his game since he's been over here.
But something seems to have affected your grammar.
Sorry, it's a pet hate of mine that one.
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It would surely help if everybody within the club spoke the same language
The club should pick a really obscure one, like Hungarian or Estonian.
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As expected Kodj named in Ivory Coast provisional squad. Can only hope he doesn't make the final squad. Probably wishful thinking.
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Haha! You gotta love him (dancing at home in his Villa shizzle) https://www.instagram.com/p/BOdByUMhQfU/?taken-by=jimydanger&hl=en
https://www.instagram.com/p/BOc-iEXBZWo/?taken-by=jimydanger&hl=en Merry Christmas!
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Haha! You gotta love him (dancing at home in his Villa shizzle) https://www.instagram.com/p/BOdByUMhQfU/?taken-by=jimydanger&hl=en
https://www.instagram.com/p/BOc-iEXBZWo/?taken-by=jimydanger&hl=en Merry Christmas!
It's good to seem him and his friends/family in Villa kits, hopefully means he's taken the club to heart a bit.
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Haha! You gotta love him (dancing at home in his Villa shizzle) https://www.instagram.com/p/BOdByUMhQfU/?taken-by=jimydanger&hl=en
https://www.instagram.com/p/BOc-iEXBZWo/?taken-by=jimydanger&hl=en Merry Christmas!
Very good. It could only be bettered if it was an instagram of him reading up on the offside rule.
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Couldn't quite believe that his English is either nil or very limited ....I really believe that ALL players should be speaking English ...its not as tho he only arrived in this country a few weeks ago
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Leave voter spotted.
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Haha! You gotta love him (dancing at home in his Villa shizzle) https://www.instagram.com/p/BOdByUMhQfU/?taken-by=jimydanger&hl=en
https://www.instagram.com/p/BOc-iEXBZWo/?taken-by=jimydanger&hl=en Merry Christmas!
He needs to be careful not having his bandage on and all that.
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Haha! You gotta love him (dancing at home in his Villa shizzle) https://www.instagram.com/p/BOdByUMhQfU/?taken-by=jimydanger&hl=en
https://www.instagram.com/p/BOc-iEXBZWo/?taken-by=jimydanger&hl=en Merry Christmas!
Very good. It could only be bettered if it was an instagram of him reading up on the offside rule.
bloke sitting next to me on Monday swore he was playing pissed up
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the team collectively looked inebriated to me for most of the match
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There's a video doing the rounds on the Villa facebook page of Kodjia, Ayew and Gestede trying to recreate the Luc Nillis goal against Chelsea in 2000.
Rudy, eh...struggled, it's fair to say. Ayew nailed it in one. All were speaking da Engrish, for those concerned about such things.
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Yes saw that Kevin. Quite amusing to see Rudy's efforts in comparison to the actual goal and Ayew's. Such a shame Nilis got so badly crocked
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Love Ayew's finish! No messing about.
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Kodjia was worse
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Couldn't quite believe that his English is either nil or very limited ....I really believe that ALL players should be speaking English ...its not as tho he only arrived in this country a few weeks ago
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Leave voter spotted.
He should be ashamed, think of the thousands of Brits that have settled and made the effort in Benidorm
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Luke Nilis, two things I remember about his time is that goal and Doug on the pitch saying that we'd get insurance money after his injury. Always caring Doug.
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Haha! You gotta love him (dancing at home in his Villa shizzle) https://www.instagram.com/p/BOdByUMhQfU/?taken-by=jimydanger&hl=en
https://www.instagram.com/p/BOc-iEXBZWo/?taken-by=jimydanger&hl=en Merry Christmas!
Very good. It could only be bettered if it was an instagram of him reading up on the offside rule.
You must have been listening to me at the game on Monday. One in particular as he was looking across the line was idiotic.
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I met Jon today. He was at West Mid Custom cars having his Bentley "dirtied" up in that rustic colour. Nice young man. Speaks a little bit of English enough for us to have a conversation. He is off to France on Friday driving over and then joining his national squad. So I thanked him for his goals but reminded him that he could do a little better with his head specially when Bunn goal kicks and also the offside thing. He said " yeh coach tells me everyday". Again a very nice young man.
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Haha! You gotta love him (dancing at home in his Villa shizzle) https://www.instagram.com/p/BOdByUMhQfU/?taken-by=jimydanger&hl=en
https://www.instagram.com/p/BOc-iEXBZWo/?taken-by=jimydanger&hl=en Merry Christmas!
Very good. It could only be bettered if it was an instagram of him reading up on the offside rule.
You must have been listening to me at the game on Monday. One in particular as he was looking across the line was idiotic.
Crickey! Disappointed the dancing video hasn't done the trick in the Christmas cheer department, how's about this? Merry Christmas & UTV
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Great idea to recreate a classic Villa goal.
Rudy might find the European Cup winning one a more natural goal to copy.
Only messin'!
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Love Ayew's finish! No messing about.
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Sulky bastard. Joining in, having fun with his teammates and only smiling a bit.
Get rid, I say.
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PASS THE BALL!!!
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Love Ayew's finish! No messing about.
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Sulky bastard. Joining in, having fun with his teammates and only smiling a bit.
Get rid, I say.
That was really fun.
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in their match report of the Leeds game, The Guardian were predicting he'd be off in he summer, with or without promotion. I hope they are wrong.
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in their match report of the Leeds game, The Guardian were predicting he'd be off in he summer, with or without promotion. I hope they are wrong.
How can they even know that?
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in their match report of the Leeds game, The Guardian were predicting he'd be off in he summer, with or without promotion. I hope they are wrong.
After last night, they may wish to re-evaluate that statement.
Kodjia is increasingly becoming a question mark for me, in as much as where to play him. He just isn't strong enough to play as an out and out striker. In the 15 minutes or so that Rudy was on last night, he did more damage than Kodjia had done in the previous 75 minutes.
If Kodjia is definitely leaving in the summer, I can't see it being to join another English side.
The only real position that I can see for Kodjia is the wide player in a 433. He did well playing off Rudy last night but Bruce rarely plays 442, it is more likely to be 433 or 4411.
Kodjia's case isn't helped by our reluctance to get men forward. Last night, Leeds as the away side were committing bodies forward more than we were.
Whilst I am very pleased with Kodjia, he does have limitations, which explains partly why he is at the peak of his career and only playing at this level.
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According to da Beebs stats, the Grauniad is the most accurate newspaper for transfers
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in their match report of the Leeds game, The Guardian were predicting he'd be off in he summer, with or without promotion. I hope they are wrong.
After last night, they may wish to re-evaluate that statement.
Kodjia is increasingly becoming a question mark for me, in as much as where to play him. He just isn't strong enough to play as an out and out striker. In the 15 minutes or so that Rudy was on last night, he did more damage than Kodjia had done in the previous 75 minutes.
If Kodjia is definitely leaving in the summer, I can't see it being to join another English side.
The only real position that I can see for Kodjia is the wide player in a 433. He did well playing off Rudy last night but Bruce rarely plays 442, it is more likely to be 433 or 4411.
Kodjia's case isn't helped by our reluctance to get men forward. Last night, Leeds as the away side were committing bodies forward more than we were.
Whilst I am very pleased with Kodjia, he does have limitations, which explains partly why he is at the peak of his career and only playing at this level.
I disagree with this bit, I thought Kodjia was very dangerous in those 15minutes and Gestede was a bit peripheral. However having him there to occupy defenders and give them different threat to worry about gave Kodjia the space he'd been struggling to find, he missed a couple of decent chances to square for RM and had a 1on1 saved in that little spell as well as the penalty after an hour before that of being crowded out by 2-3 defenders every time he got the ball.
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Like many before him, I honestly think he will not play for a bigger club than Aston Villa
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in their match report of the Leeds game, The Guardian were predicting he'd be off in he summer, with or without promotion. I hope they are wrong.
How can they even know that?
It's not really The Guardian knowing anything, it's the bloke doing their Liveblog filling a bit of space.
"90 min “New York-based villa fan here,” says David Bertram. “Woeful. Surely middle of the road Premiership teams will be looking at Kodjia soon?”
And as I paste that, he breaks into the box after playing a one-two off Gestede and skirting Jansson on his inside. But the ball bounces up for him and he’s forced to shoot from an unnatural position, allowing Green to dive in front of him and take one on the chest.
As for Kodjia, he’ll be off if Villa don’t go up and perhaps even then. On the plus side, you can just go Luger’s and forget about it."
It's not really anything more than a throwaway comment from someone who has probably seen him play two or three times before, if that. It carries no more weight or knowledge as anybody on here saying it, and probably a bit less than that.
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Good player, needs to work on his vision for other teammates though.
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Villa still haven't heard back from the Ivory Coast on their request for Kodjia to play against Cardiff on Monday. The request was made a few days ago and it's been mentioned that Villa are offering to fly him by private jet to Paris to join up with the main squad after the game. What's so difficult about giving an answer? B'ham Mail suggesting that he'll miss the Cardiff match.
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I think Kodjia is already is Paris.
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http://www.footballinsider247.com/aston-villa-fans-highlight-key-moment-leeds-draw-sealed-victory/
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I've only seen the shot at the end when McCormack was a couple of yards from him. Is that the one people are referring to? If so, no forward worth their salt wouldn't be passing in that situation. Also, the bounce of the ball and proximity of McCormack would also make the pass a lot riskier than the shot. Which was well saved. Thought he did the right thing by taking it on. Christ, you'll be wanting him to let others take his penalties next...
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Some Tweets saying he's been cleared to play
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Really/ I'd be surprised considering they wouldn't let Bailly play for Man U.
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I've only seen the shot at the end when McCormack was a couple of yards from him. Is that the one people are referring to? If so, no forward worth their salt wouldn't be passing in that situation. Also, the bounce of the ball and proximity of McCormack would also make the pass a lot riskier than the shot. Which was well saved. Thought he did the right thing by taking it on. Christ, you'll be wanting him to let others take his penalties next...
He did it multiple times the other night.
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(http://i63.tinypic.com/juh5vq.png)
Just so we all remember who we're dealing with. :P
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There is a horse in the February sales called The Codger. Tempted to have a silly bid.
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he's coming home, he's coming home Kodjia coming home.
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Can't wait to have The Kodge back in our side 8)
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Really hoping for him to not play and them to go out tomorrow. He will be well rested too then.
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Really hoping for him to not play and them to go out tomorrow. He will be well rested too then.
And a tad pissed off too?
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I want him back, but wishing him to go out of the cup is not very generous. He's busted a gut for us this season and I for one would be delighted for him if he got some success at the ACN.
We knew the score when we signed him. So for me it's good luck Kodj, come back fit and healthy and hopefully full of confidence and on a high from a successful championship.
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lets hope he has not used the same company that fitted the gates to his drive that rmc used
welcome back jk
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I want him back, but wishing him to go out of the cup is not very generous. He's busted a gut for us this season and I for one would be delighted for him if he got some success at the ACN.
We knew the score when we signed him. So for me it's good luck Kodj, come back fit and healthy and hopefully full of confidence and on a high from a successful championship.
They hardly bent over backwards to accommodate us when we played Cardiff did they?
It's an "up yours" from me and hope that he comes back at the earliest possible moment.
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Final group game tonight so we'll know whether he's coming back for a bit of training before the Forest game.
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For a selfish point of view I would hope Ivory Coast lose tonight and get knocked out then we can get him back sooner.
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For a selfish point of view I would hope Ivory Coast lose tonight and get knocked out then we can get him back sooner.
That's really mean spirited.
Come on Morocco.
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Final group game tonight so we'll know whether he's coming back for a bit of training before the Forest game.
We've got Brentford away before that next Tuesday so hopefully he'll be available for that one.
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Good point.
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Only a sub again tonight
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HT Morocco 0 Ivory Coast 0
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1st Ivory substitution ........and it isn't Kodjia.
Let's hope he comes back with a point to prove, eh ? Like with a hat-trick against Brentford and in every subsequent match .
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GOOOALLL !!!
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he's on the plane already !
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He's coming home he's coming home Kodjia's coming home.
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He's coming home, he''s coming home, Kodjia's coming home.
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JINX!!!
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Of course, he could be warming up on the sidelines and be coming on to rescue victory from the jaws of defeat, like we expect him to do every week.
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He's coming home, he''s coming home, Kodjia's coming home.
Did you nod off mate?
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He is coming on he HAS come on....
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I'm sure i recognise that Moroccan midfielder 🤔
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El Ahmadi our former set-the-world-afire midfielder ? You mean ?
Or is it one of the others you met down the kebab shop ?
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He's on the plane. folks !!
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He's coming home
He's coming home
He's coming!
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It's like a new signing.
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He's in seat 3B drinking a sparkling mineral water and he's just farted. I'm so excited I might piss myself.
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It's like a new signing.
You are Doug Ellis and I claim my five pounds!
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He's in seat 3B drinking a sparkling mineral water and he's just farted. I'm so excited I might piss myself.
Glad I am not in seat 3A then!
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Can it be duly noted he to be called jimy danger!
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They're my absolute favourite biscuits, I'm in.
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I thought The Kodge took his goal well. Fell asleep before half time and woke up just as it finished and saw we had lost.
Haven't been bothered to post as I'm too disappointed. Again.
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Great goal but his all round play is poor. Head down, shots from anywhere, cant pick out a player to save his life. Very glad for his goals though
Finally wish he would stop the play acting
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He should have all the attributes to score 25-30 goals in this league, but his decision making and final ball are awful.
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Not his best game but I don't understand McGrath's dig about effort. He's one of the hardest working forwards I've seen. Great player.
He's been playing so long without any support, it will probably take time to click with Hogan
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Can he play with a strike partner? That is my worry.
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I thought he played well, excellent goal, turned and ran at defenders causing problems, and generally showed real drive and ambition. Ocassionally he made the wrong choice and occasionally his delivery was disappointing but some of the times he was selfish I think he was right to be, such as when his only option (Hogan) was surrounded by 4 players, might as well shoot.
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I do think sometimes he can look a little bit too laid back if that's the right word. He looked a lot better with someone alongside him though.
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Maybe it's because I find it hard liking any player that wears a Villa shirt these days, his inability to pass to a team mate in a better position and his habit of pretending he's badly grazed his knee or some such minor injury meaning he has to have 'treatment' gets on my nerves. Bjarnasson or whatever he's called was playing dead yesterday as well.
Nice goal though even though it doesn't count because Grealish passed it to him.
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Maybe it's because I find it hard liking any player that wears a Villa shirt these days, his inability to pass to a team mate in a better position and his habit of pretending he's badly grazed his knee or some such minor injury meaning he has to have 'treatment' gets on my nerves. Bjarnasson or whatever he's called was playing dead yesterday as well.
Nice goal though even though it doesn't count because Grealish passed it to him.
Yeah, the 4 or 5 roll Bjarasson did was quite something I must admit.
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Looked like there was signs him and Hogan could play well together.
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No need 2 apologise God, u'r a legend of the club & won the right 2 be entitled 2 express your opinion in everything 2 do with @AVFCOfficial.
And yes there are still many aspects of my game I have to work on AVFC
What a classy reply to McGrath. Have to disagree with God, I thought Kodjia worked hard against Forest. Yes, he needs to get his head up and see the options around him, but you can't accuse him of not trying.
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No need 2 apologise God, u'r a legend of the club & won the right 2 be entitled 2 express your opinion in everything 2 do with @AVFCOfficial.
And yes there are still many aspects of my game I have to work on AVFC
What a classy reply to McGrath. Have to disagree with God, I thought Kodjia worked hard against Forest. Yes, he needs to get his head up and see the options around him, but you can't accuse him of not trying.
An excellent respectful reply. How many other players would have told Macca to get shafted?
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That's a remarkable reply.
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Excellent respectful reply JK
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Kodijia is so frustrating, and I've got sympathy for McGrath's criticisms because he doesn't seem to look up often and tries to do too much and invariable loses possession. Just when I'm losing my patience with him he pops up and scores a cracker. I just wish (like others) that he'd be more of a team player because he'd be even better.
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Jonathan Kodjia has replied to Paul McGrath's apology after the Aston Villa legend blasted the striker for his workrate.
Kodjia tweeted: "No need 2 apologise God, u'r a legend of the club & won the right 2 be entitled 2 express your opinion in everything 2 do with @AVFCOfficial.
The Ivory Coast international also admitted that he does have some flaws in his game, adding: "And yes there are still many aspects of my game I have to work on AVFC"
McGrath continued the twitter discussion, replying: "To J.kodjia id say sorry , but do I think you'll make a player ' you are a player, do I believe you could be a great player yes #work"
The Villa hero had earlier suggested Kodjia's efforts compared unfavourably to those of new strike partner Scott Hogan.
Kodjia scored a spectacular goal to take his tally to 10 goals for the season in the 2-1 defeat to Nottingham Forest, but McGrath felt the Ivory Coast international needed to be more of a team player.
He said: "Sorry Aston Villa, even if he scores four Kodjia is the villain. Work rate is nil/ Hogan is a player.
"Can I just give a quick mention to Hogan's work rate. Other please take notice. Goal is great now let's work for each other.
"Again sorry, 10 goals in the Championship isn't my idea of class. Look this kid (Kodjia) has talent but needs to lean how to play in a team game."
McGrath later apologised to the former Bristol City striker, adding: "Apologies to Aston Villa supporters and our goal scorer Kodjia.
"In my defence I'm saddened at where we find ourselves. Only because I care."
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TBF, it was their first game together. They are not going to have a partnership after 80 mins or so.
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He is frustrating at times, but a lot of good strikers are. Ask Utd fans if Ibrahimavich isn't a pain in the backside sometimes. (Not remotely comparing them in terms of quality).
However, JK has 10 goals. He's doing his job. If he keeps scoring he's entitled to be erratic in games. He's entitled to hold the ball too long and not pass it when perhaps he should, or shoot on sight. Perhaps a more reasonable comparison is he and Defoe. Not always easy to play with. Perhaps often operating with their own needs first, before the teams, but the question is, would you rather have a Heskey, or would you rather have a Defoe?
He's the only player we have currently who is doing what we're paying them to. His primary function is scoring goals, and he does that. We have no grounds to complain about JK.
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Kod does need to improve his all round game, especially if wants to be more than just a good second tier striker. We'd be fecked without him though. Depressingly, Rudy is still our second top scorer this season with 4.
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Dear Jonathan,
Please pass the ball.
Regards,
CGBB
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Dear Jonathan,
Please pass the ball.
Regards,
CGBB
Dear Jonathan,
Don't listen to them. If you'd have done that before, you wouldn't have 10 goals and we'd have a lot less points.
Tell them to get fucked, you're not Ashley Westwood twenty yards further up the pitch, you take responsibility.
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This.
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Dear Jonathan,
Please pass the ball.
Regards,
CGBB
Dear Jonathan,
Don't listen to them. If you'd have done that before, you wouldn't have 10 goals and we'd have a lot less points.
Tell them to get fucked, you're not Ashley Westwood twenty yards further up the pitch, you take responsibility.
Dear Jonathan,
No, do pass more. Then we might be a little higher in the table.
Do not think I am criticising you because I do not rate you, you are the best player in the team this season. I think you are looking like you could be a really good player, but by realising there are other players in the team, maybe the team, and you, could become better than good.
Regards,
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Why don't you pass? This is not a kickabout in a school yard!
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Jonathon try to be aware of the hulk, yesterday I began to sense the crowds unease, it will not take many more undiscovered passes for them to turn which would be a shame.
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He can't pass. It is a weakness of his game, it is not that he doesn't want to pass. Yesterday summed it up perfectly for me. He passed when he should have carried on and went alone when he should have passed. When he did pass, the passes were awful and ended up with the opposition in possession. I think it's a mixture of lack of awareness around him and inability to look up, rather than any intent to be greedy. We saw with the Gestede penalty, that he is not greedy.
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He looked our most threatening player by a mile yesterday by taking on defenders. I'm concerned that this reputation for not passing is getting to him because he passed when it wasn't the best option. Hogan was totally anonymous I thought, how much of that is his fault I don't know.
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He looked our most threatening player by a mile yesterday by taking on defenders. I'm concerned that this reputation for not passing is getting to him because he passed when it wasn't the best option. Hogan was totally anonymous I thought, how much of that is his fault I don't know.
Agree with the Kodjia stuff 100%
I disagree with Hogan though-I thought he did well yesterday, despite being given no service whatsoever. He chased down well and looked a threat when he did receive the ball.
Very early days I know but it's difficult to envisage any form of partnership forming between the two.
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Jonathon meet Scott. He's here to help you and the team, but he can't help if you won't let him. Now be a good boy and look up every now and then, and we'll all be just fine.
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Jonathon meet Scott. He's here to help you and the team, but he can't help if you won't let him. Now be a good boy and look up every now and then, and we'll all be just fine.
Exactly Accrington Stanley
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It looked like him and Hogan have worked on fuck all together on the training field, or even spoke to each other, or even communicated what each of them like to do.
Someone sit the whole fucking team down please and have them talk to each other and Bruce about how they think they best perform. Bunch of strangers aimlessly ambling through 90 minutes waiting for a bolt from the blue.
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If Kodja had aŵareness of when to release the ball he would be some player, and he would undoubtedly not be playing at the arse end of the Championship. He's frustrating but good to watch, the only unpredictable player we have.
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It looked like him and Hogan have worked on fuck all together on the training field, or even spoke to each other, or even communicated what each of them like to do.
Someone sit the whole fucking team down please and have them talk to each other and Bruce about how they think they best perform. Bunch of strangers aimlessly ambling through 90 minutes waiting for a bolt from the blue.
This has been going on for ages, i swear you would get a better understanding from blokes who had met on the pub car park ten mins before kick off
when he made his final subs yesterday no one had a clue what they were meant to be doing
andre green as a fucking wing back
really?
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Oswald you sum up my feelings entirely. You, John, this is Hogan,he is quite good. This is Hutton, when he goes down the right wing, go and stand by the left corner flag.
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Club have appealed against the sending off, decision tomorrow.
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It's Villa, will probably get an extra game ban.
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No chance whatsoever it'll be rescinded. Although it has no affect on us, I'd still like to see their player get a retrospective ban. Not that I'm bitter.
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I've been away so only just seen it - never a sending off.
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Did we appeal Bacuna's red card or did they just add to it anyway?
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Although he was stupid to even look like he was going to do something there is no way that was a straight red. If anything the guy on the floor lunged out and JK sort of bumped into him with his shins to remonstrate - certainly did not kick out or follow it through
10 game ban for sure
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Just pray it gets overturned
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I see no reason for them to rescind the ban.
My frustration with Kodjia was that he was too honest. If he had reacted to the other players kick by falling backwards rather than retaliating then things could have been much different.
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This is Aston Villa. We are the only club in any football league in the world to get done for tapping up a player. We had a work permit turned down for a player for the first time since 1893. We had a player sent off and his ban extended by three games. We don't get sendings off overturned.
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One match ban apparently.
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I'm assuming it'll be the Small Heath match?
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At least he still has his chance to get his 20 goals now.
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We can confirm that Jonathan Kodjia will serve a one-match ban following an appeal against his red card at…
15 mins ago - Twitter
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This is Aston Villa. We are the only club in any football league in the world to get done for tapping up a player. We had a work permit turned down for a player for the first time since 1893. We had a player sent off and his ban extended by three games. We get sendings off overturned.
Amended as suitable egg on face is wiped off.
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This is Aston Villa. We are the only club in any football league in the world to get done for tapping up a player. We had a work permit turned down for a player for the first time since 1893. We had a player sent off and his ban extended by three games. We get sendings off overturned.
Amended as suitable egg on face is wiped off.
Well it's not really overturned is it, so you were right!!
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Authorities in common sense shock!
Although I guess the other player got away with it.
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Don't quite get the one match ban thing personally.
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Don't quite get the one match ban thing personally.
No neither do I. It's like they've admitted it wasn't a sending off offence, but more like a yellow card offence. Perhaps they've given him a one match ban to save the Ref's blushes?
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So what is the one match ban for? It was a foul but not a red but worthy of two yellows, both at the same time? What a crock of FA shit.
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Obviously when Bruce said he thought it should have been two yellows the FA took him at his word and gave them both to Kodjia, so just a one match ban
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The worst news possible. I'd rather him miss the Blackburn game aswell.
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Has this result ever happened before? Normally a straight red for violent conduct is three games, so where on earth does the one game ban come from. If he'd already been given a yellow, then that would make sense I guess.
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There's something very odd about all this.
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We need to take the fuckwit association to task, where does a one game ban come from?
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Redknapp has slipped them one of his brown envelopes.
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Shame he won't play Sunday I was looking forward to him running over to the away end, tongue out & dancing!
Time for RHM to shine, think he could play off Hogan?
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What a ridiculous decision. Well I hope we beat that lot on Sunday, and Bruce 'rests' JK and other key players against Blackburn. See them laughing then.
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It seems to me that there is one rule for Villa and another rule for all the other clubs
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I hope he can go on and get 20 plus goals now for the season I still think he shouldn't have had a red card.
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Have we confirmed what the one match ban is for? It can't be the original offence as that was a straight red which carries a 3 match ban. If it wasn't a straight red then the ban would have been rescinded and downgraded to a yellow card. So what offence has been committed for the one match ban?
Alternatively the FA are making it up as they go along with Villa, again.
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This really is a ridiculous decision. If the appeal has been rejected, and the FA website says it was, then his ban should stand. So where does the one game ban come from? It makes no sense. I'm pleased but puzzled.
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Have we confirmed what the one match ban is for? It can't be the original offence as that was a straight red which carries a 3 match ban. If it wasn't a straight red then the ban would have been rescinded and downgraded to a yellow card. So what offence has been committed for the one match ban?
Alternatively the FA are making it up as they go along with Villa, again.
Indeed. I await the official reason. Was it violent conduct or not? He's already missed the majority of one game, which seems punishment enough for whatever it was if it wasn't violent conduct. Anybody know the rules?
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Have we confirmed what the one match ban is for? It can't be the original offence as that was a straight red which carries a 3 match ban. If it wasn't a straight red then the ban would have been rescinded and downgraded to a yellow card. So what offence has been committed for the one match ban?
Alternatively the FA are making it up as they go along with Villa, again.
A red card doesn't automatically equate to a three match ban. There are offences (such as violent conduct) which result in three matches, but others that result in a one match ban. See Ashley Williams against Man Utd the other week for example.
So it still seems pretty odd, but not because a red card means three matches.
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Don't quite get the one match ban thing personally.
No neither do I. It's like they've admitted it wasn't a sending off offence, but more like a yellow card offence. Perhaps they've given him a one match ban to save the Ref's blushes?
Funnily enough, I too suspect this nonsensical decision is all about saving the credibility of the Ref.
Like he ever had any. ::)
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I thought a 1 game ban was for a red given for a professional foul, or 2 yellows. Neither of which apply in this case.
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Have we confirmed what the one match ban is for? It can't be the original offence as that was a straight red which carries a 3 match ban. If it wasn't a straight red then the ban would have been rescinded and downgraded to a yellow card. So what offence has been committed for the one match ban?
Alternatively the FA are making it up as they go along with Villa, again.
Indeed. I await the official reason. Was it violent conduct or not?
"Jonathan Kodjia has had a claim for wrongful dismissal rejected following an Independent Regulatory Commission hearing.
The Aston Villa forward was sent off for violent conduct against Fulham on Monday 17 April 2017.
However, Kodjia’s claim that the punishment was excessive was successful and his suspension has been reduced from three games to one game with immediate effect"
So it's a fudge, but probably works out better than the alternative. i.e it stayed at three matches.
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Translated as "we know the ref got it wrong but don't want to admit it".
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Second bookable offence or Professional foul is a one game ban. I can't find anything else which carries a one game ban which relates to Kodjia on Monday. They've made it up, ******.
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One match ban apparently.
That's harsh.
About time that clubs could say which match!
I know, it wouldn't be a sanction unless it followed, but still.
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Translated as "we know the ref got it wrong but don't want to admit it".
That's clearly the case, they've admitted it wasn't a red card offence but don't want to contradict the match officials so they've made something up. As with the Bacuna one I'm pretty fed up of the FA taking the piss with Villa player bans.
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Translated as "we know the ref got it wrong but don't want to admit it".
That's clearly the case, they've admitted it wasn't a red card offence but don't want to contradict the match officials so they've made something up. As with the Bacuna one I'm pretty fed up of the FA taking the piss with Villa player bans.
Couldn't agree more. This is a total bullsh*t decision.
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So Kodjia is still guilty of "violent conduct" but it's a one match ban and the red card still stands.
Fredericks gets off scott free.
Totally smacks of not wanting to admit that the referee got it very badly wrong.
Boils my piss.
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I googled and found Bacuna' s suspension explanation but not Kodjia' s.
http://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/discipline/written-reasons
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Broke his ankle and could be out until the start of next season according to the OS.
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Magic
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Oh fuckin' wonderful
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Bollox, This season can't end soon enough.
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If there's a positive, it will probably deter any transfer interest in him over the summer.
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If there's a positive, it will probably deter any transfer interest in him over the summer.
Just said exactly that on my twitter page....Good news/ Bad news!!!
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Typical of our luck isn't it really. There are some loons on twitter who are questioning why we played him in a pointless game. What's the matter with some people?
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Broken ankle. Obviously
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Me and Hogan up top on Sunday then
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Bloke next to me at Ewood was shouting 'Get up Kodjia...you aren't injured' etc etc. It was clear at the time that the fella was in serious pain.
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Cheque books out in the summer for another striker then.
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FFS. Even if he is ok for start of the season he will miss most of the pre-season when really we want the whole team to hit the ground running.
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Hope that there isn't any ligament or tendon damage.
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FFS what a nightmare! Gutted that he won't have the chance to get another goal to round of his season (as he's been one of the very few highlights). Hope he makes a speedy and full recovery.
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If there's a positive, it will probably deter any transfer interest in him over the summer.
Typical Villa fans - I thought the same!!! ;)
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Cheque books out in the summer for another striker then.
Er. Gabby, McCormack, Hulk, Davis and RHM.
Get Grant Holt in as cover in case any more of our physically honed superstar goal getters fall by the wayside and we'll be reet.
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A Ross Mac /Grant Holt strike partnership would be a ground breaking combo. Defenders would quake as the earth shook beneath them. When that loony Lambo said GH was a proper man, he meant he was a salad dodger who liked his meat pies.
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Well fuck! Fucking fuketty-fucking shitarse bastard fuck! (https://www.avfc.co.uk/News/2017/05/02/kodjia-injury-blow) Get well soon Koj >:(
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Might be a good opportunity to get a striker in on loan this summer. Tammy Abraham would be ideal.
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Player of the year in plaster. Get well soon JK.
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No Villa player will ever score 20 league goals again.
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Might be a good opportunity to get a striker in on loan this summer. Tammy Abraham would be ideal.
He'll go on loan to Brighton.
Sam Gallagher could be worth while pursuing
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Bad news
Just a thought with him injured, we could start playing to the strengths of the centre forward bruce spent 15 million on 3 months ago
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Aye, we have good depth on paper and I guess this is probably the 'best' time to have an injury as it's fully four months before we've got a meaningful fixture but ankle injuries are probably the worst injuries you can get as a professional footballer as it's such a complex joint which is hard to rest and an awful lot gets asked of it when you play. Hopefully he won't go the way of Michu but this could be a serious amount of time on the sidelines.
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Bad news
Just a thought with him injured, we could start playing to the strengths of the centre forward bruce spent 15 million on 3 months ago
No. It will still be kick and rush at best.
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We don't do kick and rush
We do kick and amble upfield
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We don't do kick and rush
We do kick and amble upfield
Clappy thing.
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Bad news lets hope he comes back sooner than expected.
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The defending stats are better than the attacking ones.
As it's a team game that rules all of our dysfunctional attacking players out.
Chester, Hutton or Jedinak.
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oops wrong thread
that should be player of the year!
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Fan-flippin- tastic !!
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Back in training only 6 weeks after surgery on his fractured ankle! according to the B'ham Mail. Good news!
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Back in training only 6 weeks after surgery on his fractured ankle! according to the B'ham Mail. Good news!
Very good news.
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Back in training only 6 weeks after surgery on his fractured ankle! according to the B'ham Mail. Good news!
I presume this is true but if so it's a real surprise.
There's nothing in the Villa website. Perhaps they're all on holiday!
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Latest news???
http://readastonvilla.com/2017/07/08/bruce-provides-update-kodjias-injury/
If true, great news.
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Excellent. With McCormack apparently working very hard and literally being half the man he was, we should have enough fire power with a fit Kodjia, Hogan and RMC to get out this league.
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Agreed.
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I don't know if it's just my view but I always felt that the club seemed to overplay that injury.
When he got hurt and went down it seemed pretty innocuous, and if I remember correctly, he pretty much limped off, albeit with some help.
I'm not saying he didn't break or fracture something, but surely it would have 'looked' much worse had it been a 'proper break'.
And then to say he would be out for the first couple of months of the season, but then for him to be close to fitness for the start is weird.
You can't get a diagnosis/prognosis so wrong so as to be months out of kilter.
I said at the time and I maintain, they overplayed that injury but I have no reason why they would do so.
Unless of course he really does have feckin super human powers and has healed in record time which is possible for Kodge!
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He does go down a bit soft for a fella who is well-able to out-muscle defenders when he's in full flow.
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I don't know if it's just my view but I always felt that the club seemed to overplay that injury.
When he got hurt and went down it seemed pretty innocuous, and if I remember correctly, he pretty much limped off, albeit with some help.
I'm not saying he didn't break or fracture something, but surely it would have 'looked' much worse had it been a 'proper break'.
And then to say he would be out for the first couple of months of the season, but then for him to be close to fitness for the start is weird.
You can't get a diagnosis/prognosis so wrong so as to be months out of kilter.
I said at the time and I maintain, they overplayed that injury but I have no reason why they would do so.
Unless of course he really does have feckin super human powers and has healed in record time which is possible for Kodge!
I always remember Okore walked off and thought there was nothing to worry about and he'd be back the next weekend.
I think with modern science now a clean leg break isn't actually that bad for recovery, plenty of players come back from hairline fractures in 3-4 months now.
ACL is still the injury that knackers players the most.
Edit: A lot of clubs also do put the longest timescale on injury recoveries probably just to stop a million questions coming their way if they say two month lay off and he's nowhere to be seen after 8 weeks.
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It's possible to break a bone and carry on, not realising it's broken until some time after. So it might not look a big deal but turn out to bad.
As SHQ says if it's a clean break i.e. no ligament damage around the bone, the bone can heal quite quickly.
I imagine the specialists will say it should take x-y weeks to heal from and the club just announce the longer timescale to dampen down expectations. It will help the individual when they're told they're ahead of schedule too - certainly as opposed to being told you're behind schedule.
Some people will heal faster than traditional diagnosis too. When I had my ankle reconstructed, I was supposed to be on crutches for 6 weeks but only 2 and I pretty much did everything in a third of the time. I kept having nurses telling me off and Doctors double-checking that they're looking at the right date for the date of the surgery!
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Maybe the injury was reported to be much worse than it actually was to scare off potential suitors.
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I don't know if it's just my view but I always felt that the club seemed to overplay that injury.
When he got hurt and went down it seemed pretty innocuous, and if I remember correctly, he pretty much limped off, albeit with some help.
I'm not saying he didn't break or fracture something, but surely it would have 'looked' much worse had it been a 'proper break'.
And then to say he would be out for the first couple of months of the season, but then for him to be close to fitness for the start is weird.
You can't get a diagnosis/prognosis so wrong so as to be months out of kilter.
I said at the time and I maintain, they overplayed that injury but I have no reason why they would do so.
Unless of course he really does have feckin super human powers and has healed in record time which is possible for Kodge!
Fractures take about 6 weeks to heal. If it was undisplaced I can see him starting training after that period of time. It may have been an avulsion fracture which is associated with a ligament injury - again a 6 week time frame to start light training would not be unusual.
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The official site tells us today that Kodjia has returned after his 'knee injury'.
He had a broken fibula, didn't he?
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Yes but as everyone knows:
The foot bone's connected to the shin bone, the shin bone's connected to the knee bone, the knee bone's.....
It's all connected man.
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Yes but as everyone knows:
The foot bone's connected to the shin bone, the shin bone's connected to the knee bone, the knee bone's.....
It's all connected man.
Arf, arf
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Is he back in proper training then?
Don't see him making the start of the season but he should be back for the games in September which isn't too bad particularly as our whole gameplan once we cross the halfway line seems to pretty much revolve around him.
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And if we do go up at least we don't lose him To the African Nations Cup 2019 as it's been moved To the summer.
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Any update on the JK injury? Is he due back in Sept?
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Weeks not months apparently (I had the impression it was actually closer)
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Weeks not months apparently (I had the impression it was actually closer)
That's encouraging news, we appear so short and light weight up front with out him. Let's hope he comes back fully fit and fits the form of last season. Just read a quote from Redknapp saying you need 4 strikers to be realistic promotion contenders in the Championship. Whilst we may have 4 on paper I presume he means ones that score?
edit I never normally take any notice of what Harry Redknapp says
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Bruce reckons 4 weeks for Kodjia to be match fit. McCormack reportedly about to join Sunderland on-loan only leaves Hogan and Gabby. What if one gets injured? SB has to sign a striker on-loan surely?
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RHM!
But yes, I imagine he will try to get a striker and attacking midfielder on loan
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Some of the better football we played last season, granted it was only around an hour of one game, came with Davis up front, I hope we give him a go if Kodjia and Hogan are out instead of buying another striker.
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I like Davis and agree he should be on the bench and step him in if any of others are injured.
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I imagine we'll see what some of the kids can do in the league cup game?
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I imagine we'll see what some of the kids can do in the league cup game?
I note you said 'game' and not 'games'
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I imagine we'll see what some of the kids can do in the league cup game?
I note you said 'game' and not 'games'
haha
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Davis took the game to Brighton in the last match of the season in a way Gabby and McCormack are unwilling or incapable of doing. For forty five blissful minutes we had a skinny, energetic, determined Villa attacker mixing it with the opposition defence. Jack Grealish fitted perfectly into the spaces Davis created. Steve Bruce ignores the young players at his disposal at his peril.
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Davis took the game to Brighton in the last match of the season in a way Gabby and McCormack are unwilling or incapable of doing. For forty five blissful minutes we had a skinny, energetic, determined Villa attacker mixing it with the opposition defence. Jack Grealish fitted perfectly into the spaces Davis created. Steve Bruce ignores the young players at his disposal at his peril.
Seconded
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Turded ...ooops thirded😊
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Not back until mid September now at the earliest.
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Not back until mid September now at the earliest.
Nows your chance RHM
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Not back until mid September now at the earliest.
Nows your chance RHM
It is and I hope he nails it.
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Not back until mid September now at the earliest.
Nows your chance RHM
It is and I hope he nails it.
From what little I've seen of them both, Davis looks a better option as a target man than RHM.
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It's a chance for somebody to step up and claim there stake to a starting place.
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didn't think much of Davis the other night but thought The Russian looked sharp and speedy. I thought mid September was always the date penciled in for JK's return?
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What's the latest news on Kodjia's health?
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Should be an up-date during the press briefing in the morning!
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Will feature in U23 on Monday and potentially some part to play on Tuesday against Boro ;D
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Will feature in U23 on Monday and potentially some part to play on Tuesday against Boro ;D
Great news!
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Looking forward to it.
Despite Davis's emergency we certainly need his unpredictability in the final third.
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I reckon we might see Kodjia left and Davis upfront a decent amount
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It's a chance for somebody to step up and claim there stake to a starting place.
There's an offer on in the restaurant?
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Starting tonight. Should be a good test for him up against van Dijk.
Don't get injured!
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Starting tonight. Should be a good test for him up against van Dijk.
Don't get injured!
Is he definitely starting? Where have you heard this?
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Starting tonight. Should be a good test for him up against van Dijk.
Don't get injured!
Is he definitely starting? Where have you heard this?
That's from yesterday. He started (and played the first half) against Southampton u-23s.
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Starting tonight. Should be a good test for him up against van Dijk.
Don't get injured!
Is he definitely starting? Where have you heard this?
That's from yesterday. He started (and played the first half) against Southampton u-23s.
I am guessing he will be on the bench tonight.
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Starting tonight. Should be a good test for him up against van Dijk.
Don't get injured!
Is he definitely starting? Where have you heard this?
That's from yesterday. He started (and played the first half) against Southampton u-23s.
I am guessing he will be on the bench tonight.
Ah thanks for clearing that up I saw a "new" post by the JK thread title and thought the post was from today (the Van Dijk line should have been a big enough clue - doh!)
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I'm glad he played a part in last nights game but I now we need him I don't want us to rush him back and get injured again so I would bring him off the bench tonight if he is fit.
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Kodjia will be the last throw of the dice tonight from the 65th minute onward.
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I'm glad he played a part in last nights game but I now we need him I don't want us to rush him back and get injured again so I would bring him off the bench tonight if he is fit.
Bruce is desperate he will throw him on without hesitation.
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Just like Sherwood let Notts County kick the shit out of Traore.
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Just like Sherwood let Notts County kick the shit out of Traore.
He might kick the shit out of us if we aren't careful.
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If he does, I for one will not be in the least bit surprised.
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The referee that night did the best job of seeing Adama get the shit kicked out of him.
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Just like Sherwood let Notts County kick the shit out of Traore.
I blame Sherwood for many things. The facts that Notts County were borderline criminals and the referee condoned GBH aren't among them.
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Sorry, I disagree. Sherwood saw from the off that Notts were chopping Adama down in turn so that none of them got a red card and the referee was buying into their game plan. In those heady far off Premiership days when we should have been using Traore's undoubted potential to help save our league status but Sherwood bet the farm on not losing a cup game. He should have taken Traore off when it all started.
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Bruce took a gamble on Kodj tonight hoping he could save his job like he did last season.
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Traore is a fanny. Looks like a boxer, but he's made of wheatabix.
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Just like Sherwood let Notts County kick the shit out of Traore.
He might kick the shit out of us if we aren't careful.
He had a go.
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Bruce took a gamble on Kodj tonight hoping he could save his job like he did last season.
You make it sound as though it is unreasonable to put your best striker on when you are chasing a goal. I thought he looked fit and strong so not that much if a gamble in the scheme of things.
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He was doing some pretty nifty tricks at HT, which Hutton tried to emulate without much success.
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Says it all really, our only proper creative spark, easily our best player and most valuable asset is a player Bruce did not buy! I hope he doesn't coach the quality out of him too.
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He looked a lot sharper than I expected him to, good to see him back.
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He was doing some pretty nifty tricks at HT, which Hutton tried to emulate without much success.
Trapping, controlling and passing to a teammate?
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Diving again though, hate seeing him do that shite.
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like us he was desperate I suspect - to see us win/score.
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Nice to see him back we really need him.
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Diving again though, hate seeing him do that shite.
Is that why he rarely gets any help from the Refs? I think the foul that led to Hourihane's goal was a rare occasion where he was fouled and the ref agreed.
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Nowhere near fully fit imo but still our most important player. Made something of nothing for Adomah's goal, that's the difference between him and Hogan. Still wish he'd get his head up and pass more though.
This is a request to any lyrical geniuses out there aswell, can we please have a decent chant for him? We can't sing the same thing for him and Adomah.
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Nowhere near fully fit imo but still our most important player. Made something of nothing for Adomah's goal, that's the difference between him and Hogan. Still wish he'd get his head up and pass more though.
This is a request to any lyrical geniuses out there aswell, can we please have a decent chant for him? We can't sing the same thing for him and Adomah.
Albert Hotdog, dedededededede, Albert Hotdog. To the tune of TV Stars? I'll get my coat. :-[
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Nowhere near fully fit imo but still our most important player. Made something of nothing for Adomah's goal, that's the difference between him and Hogan. Still wish he'd get his head up and pass more though.
This is a request to any lyrical geniuses out there aswell, can we please have a decent chant for him? We can't sing the same thing for him and Adomah.
Albert Hotdog, dedededededede, Albert Hotdog. To the tune of TV Stars? I'll get my coat. :-[
If anyone better with words could come up with something to the tune of 'Johnny Too Bad' by The Slickers, I think it would be an excellent thing.
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I've got:
"He's going to get on the end of a cross by Albert Ado-ma (do-ma)"
But I'm struggling otherwise.
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Right, I've got it:
Bearing down on goal,
With defenders in his wake,
Johnny you're too bad, woah-woah
(Repeat)
He's gonna get on the end of a cross from Albert Ad-oma (do ma)
(Repeat)
Not bad for 10 minutes I reckon.
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Good effort.
I seem to remember this being sung by the late and great John Martyn.
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With his funny shaped head
He leaves defenders for dead
That’s Adomah
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I love JK.
Jonathan Kodjia
@J_Kodjia
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When a proper club legend @IanTaylor7 allows you a picture with him you sure have the biggest smile in the room 🦁⚽😁🙌👊
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Excellent.
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On his birthday too.
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top man
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Class.
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Typical...Kodjia out of Weds game at Preston. Injured same ankle as in April. ‘We’re hoping for good luck but we don’t know yet" Bruce
No joy this afternoon,except that one moment on the left,but he showed signs vs Fulham that a touch of the swagger and touch was returning.
I suspect automatic will depend on him staying fit and giving us some of those moments of last year.
If it wasn't for bad luck......
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He can manufacture things but overall today it was never going to be his kind of game needed to start with Kienan and Kodja upfront
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Not good news because he is still working on getting fully fit, has dissapointed since his return.
Must be frustrating to play with because he won’t pass the ball.
If our season is based on Kodija then we may be dissapointed.
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His hold up play infuriates me. He controls the ball and then gets too involved with the defender grabbing away at them and forgets about the ball and trying to bring a team mate into play. He will not pass the ball either as we all know.
He still remains our best player though and the only one capable of doing something out of nothing. Hogan as the alternative worries me as he never looks like doing anything when he comes on, although our away performances don't help him.
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His hold up play infuriates me. He controls the ball and then gets too involved with the defender grabbing away at them and forgets about the ball and trying to bring a team mate into play. He will not pass the ball either as we all know.
He still remains our best player though and the only one capable of doing something out of nothing. Hogan as the alternative worries me as he never looks like doing anything when he comes on, although our away performances don't help him.
He’s only our best player when he’s scoring goals and he hasn’t got one in open play this season. He infuriates me with his play because he’s so greedy. If he’s out for a while we should stick Davis up front. At least we hold onto possession better with him in the team.
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It's the usual British manager thing "he's had a serious injury, we have to bring him in carefully"
What that means, he's declared himself fit, I'll select him as a substitute for one game, then fuck it, he's good to go.
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His hold up play infuriates me. He controls the ball and then gets too involved with the defender grabbing away at them and forgets about the ball and trying to bring a team mate into play. He will not pass the ball either as we all know.
He still remains our best player though and the only one capable of doing something out of nothing. Hogan as the alternative worries me as he never looks like doing anything when he comes on, although our away performances don't help him.
He’s only our best player when he’s scoring goals and he hasn’t got one in open play this season. He infuriates me with his play because he’s so greedy. If he’s out for a while we should stick Davis up front. At least we hold onto possession better with him in the team.
I totally agree. Greed is acceptable if he’s scoring. He isn’t so offers not that much really.
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That's why I don't think he will be tracked by the top of the premiership
He is like the best player in the school playground who dribbles with great abilty and never looks up
Which at 27 doesn't look like changing
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His reluctance to give anyone else the ball is infuriating.
There was a great example of it today which happened more or less on the half way line. I understand good players want to keep the ball, but he was never going to run half the length of the pitch and score.
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His injury may have come at a good time. Davis back up top and Hourihane further forward please Steve
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when he gets the ball , Im always shouting pass it , pass it now , and then the defender eventually gets a foot in and gets the ball because he hangs onto it long. greedy bugger. what a player he could be If he just looked up for other players at times.
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His reluctance to give anyone else the ball is infuriating.
There was a great example of it today which happened more or less on the half way line. I understand good players want to keep the ball, but he was never going to run half the length of the pitch and score.
If he does in the right areas such as his run and shot where he hit the bar it is a real asset as it can unlock well organised defences. Doing it on the half way line is, as you say, a dangerous game. Very occasionally he will get away and create space against a retreating defence but far more often we lose possession and we are on the back foot. He is 28 so I doubt he is going to change.
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out for he Preston game, hope he isn't going to be away too long
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His injury may have come at a good time. Davis back up top and Hourihane further forward please Steve
Or with Hogan up front. But definitely not with Hogan isolated on the wing
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Oh dear if he's out for any substantial amount of time there goes our promotion hopes. We only started winning games when he came back. Even not scoring he's a busy handful of a player and ALWAYS a threat. I don't want him to lay-off to the sub-standard shyte that is surrounding him, if we ask him to lay off all the time, we lose Kodija as we know him and he becomes another sideway crab player.
It's called endeavour and tenacity.
Hogan maybe alright in a decent passing team but he's dreadful for us under Bruce....seeing him even touch the ball is a bloody surprise let along scoring.
Love you Jimmy :-*
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Oh dear if he's out for any substantial amount of time there goes our promotion hopes. We only started winning games when he came back. Even not scoring he's a busy handful of a player and ALWAYS a threat. I don't want him to lay-off to the sub-standard shyte that is surrounding him, if we ask him to lay off all the time, we lose Kodija as we know him and he becomes another sideway crab player.
It's called endeavour and tenacity.
Hogan maybe alright in a decent passing team but he's dreadful for us under Bruce....seeing him even touch the ball is a bloody surprise let along scoring.
Love you Jimmy :-*
I pretty much agree.
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His injury may have come at a good time. Davis back up top and Hourihane further forward please Steve
Or with Hogan up front. But definitely not with Hogan isolated on the wing
Call me old fashioned, but I’d rather he wasn’t injured any time. Hogan is a waste of a shirt, at least in this team.
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I'd play him wide left allowing him to cut in on his right foot. A front three of adomah, davis and him should be a handful. He would also have to pass the ball.
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a concept we are not too familiar with
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Oh dear if he's out for any substantial amount of time there goes our promotion hopes. We only started winning games when he came back. Even not scoring he's a busy handful of a player and ALWAYS a threat. I don't want him to lay-off to the sub-standard shyte that is surrounding him, if we ask him to lay off all the time, we lose Kodija as we know him and he becomes another sideway crab player.
It's called endeavour and tenacity.
Hogan maybe alright in a decent passing team but he's dreadful for us under Bruce....seeing him even touch the ball is a bloody surprise let along scoring.
Love you Jimmy :-*
I agree. It’s his unpredictability that makes him special.
Get back soon Kodge.
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Oh dear if he's out for any substantial amount of time there goes our promotion hopes. We only started winning games when he came back. Even not scoring he's a busy handful of a player and ALWAYS a threat. I don't want him to lay-off to the sub-standard shyte that is surrounding him, if we ask him to lay off all the time, we lose Kodija as we know him and he becomes another sideway crab player.
It's called endeavour and tenacity.
Hogan maybe alright in a decent passing team but he's dreadful for us under Bruce....seeing him even touch the ball is a bloody surprise let along scoring.
Love you Jimmy :-*
I agree. It’s his unpredictability that makes him special.
Get back soon Kodge.
How can he be unpredictable when you already know, that he's not going to pass the bloody ball?
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According to the BBC he wasn’t even in the squad for Ivory Coast who’ve lost to Morocco
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According to the BBC he wasn’t even in the squad for Ivory Coast who’ve lost to Morocco
Good.
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I can forgive him being a greedy player when he's scoring regularly but even when fit he's not looking like scoring. The bigger problem for the club is that we still don't score enough goals on a regular basis. We've spent a relative fortune on strikers and we don't have a single player in the top 20 goalscorers in the championship.
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According to the BBC he wasn’t even in the squad for Ivory Coast who’ve lost to Morocco
is that because he's still injured?
I'm currently in Morocco and it was great to watch the euphoria of their first Finals qualification in 20 years; cars, flags and pedestrians rushing up and down the main streets. A Villa interest in Hadji (coach) and El Ahmadi (whom people here say has been playing very well for the national side).
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He broke down on International Duty apparently - will be out for a while again. Also Scott Hogan is likely to face a lengthy spell on the sidelines due to a stomach operation.
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Not a problem Gabby is almost back ......
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He broke down on International Duty apparently - will be out for a while again. Also Scott Hogan is likely to face a lengthy spell on the sidelines due to a stomach operation.
I expect Keinan and Jack to do their duty and set this League alight.
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He broke down on International Duty apparently - will be out for a while again. Also Scott Hogan is likely to face a lengthy spell on the sidelines due to a stomach operation.
Kodija is a blow but Hogan being out Means that Bruce can’t play him, which is good news for the team.
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Shit news, we now approach the busiest period of the season with one Striker, a young kid who's scored 2 goals and played a handful of games.
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He broke down on International Duty apparently - will be out for a while again. Also Scott Hogan is likely to face a lengthy spell on the sidelines due to a stomach operation.
Stomach stapling, that should just be a few weeks.
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Irrespective of the importance of the Ivory Coast game if he hasn't been fit enough to play for us he shouldn't have been allowed to join up with them - as a result we're now potentially without our main striker for weeks/months
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deeply worrying, at this rate the guy is going to be missing most off the season, Bruce needs to get busy in the loan market in January especially as Hogan might not be fit enough to be sold
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I think we should be careful of exaggeration.
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Irrespective of the importance of the Ivory Coast game if he hasn't been fit enough to play for us he shouldn't have been allowed to join up with them - as a result we're now potentially without our main striker for weeks/months
100% this. What the fuck were we thinking?
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Irrespective of the importance of the Ivory Coast game if he hasn't been fit enough to play for us he shouldn't have been allowed to join up with them - as a result we're now potentially without our main striker for weeks/months
100% this. What the fuck were we thinking?
"Kodjia was then carefully inspected by Ivory Coast medics and deemed fit enough to train ahead of the 2-0 defeat to Morocco that extinguished their World Cup hopes.
Villa subsequently had no choice but to let him travel, due to international regulations."
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Irrespective of the importance of the Ivory Coast game if he hasn't been fit enough to play for us he shouldn't have been allowed to join up with them - as a result we're now potentially without our main striker for weeks/months
He's been back since September. Ivory Coast were obviously going to call him up.
Problem you have with them going to International teams is the training sessions are usually different so that's why many pick up injuries.
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And the training facilities are often not as good as here. Most Premier league sides and many championship have invested fortunes in that side of things.
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Is the Russian fit yet? Might finally be his time. Or we could always send for FatMac now he's banging in the goals.
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Quite correct that if he is fit he has to go, but if we say he is not and we are or should have been happy to say that, he came off last time he played, then we risk him being suspended for a game if they argue about it and report us to FIFA, now we have lost him for god knows how many, he might have played on and off since September, but I think this is more a case of Bruce playing him when he is not a 100%, as he did last game with Snodgrass, typical 70's , 80's and 90's style player and managers attitude to injuries, being taken into the 21st Century.
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Players are invariably never 100% fit.
Play any physical sport seriously and you'll always have niggles.
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time for Bruce to be bold and get some U23's in
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Quite agree Ads, but their level of fitness and also their record of breaking down if being played to soon should also play a major role in the Managers thinking and there is a difference between playing a player that is not 100% fit and playing a player with a broken rib, that at one stage in the game, gasped with pain as he chested the ball down, if that is your idea of good management of players fine, it is not mine.
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Silver lining for me is that I'd say we're better playing with a five-man midfield anyway, and this would force Bruce's hand in that direction.
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From an article in the Express and Star:
Kodjia had missed Villa’s two matches immediately prior to the international break after rolling the same ankle he broke in April, an injury which kept him sidelined for more than four months and caused him to sit out the start of the campaign.
After deciding to travel with the Ivory Coast ahead of their crunch World Cup qualifier with Morocco, Kodjia then suffered another injury to the ankle during his first training session with the national team.
The 28-year-old, who scored 19 goals last season, will see a specialist on Monday when Villa will learn the true extent of the problem but Bruce has already admitted to fearing the worst.
The manager also insisted the club had been “powerless” to prevent Kodjia going away on international duty.
“We could not stop him,” said Bruce. “We have been in constant touch with their people. I could not stop him, it was a big World Cup game.
“How could I stop him playing in that when he thought he was going to be fit? He was touch and go to play against Sheffield Wednesday and we knew in another week he was going to be OK.
“Unfortunately his first intensive training session, what can you do? The first real intensive training session he has done has brought it to life.
“He has broken down in that training session and we have now had him here, had scans. We are waiting for the specialists but it is not good.”
Read more at Express and Star (https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/aston-villa/2017/11/17/steve-bruce-aston-villa-injury-crisis-is-my-worst-nightmare/#5dZ776UgoxVT4SPt.99)
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May well need a loan signing in January
Danny Ings?
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Benteke?
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Benteke?
Palace to loan out their only centre forward and record signing in the middle of a relegation battle?
Gonna guess this isn’t happening
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Sunday Mirror is saying he's out for the season.
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Sunday Mirror is saying he's out for the season.
I read this in the People, what a rag. Out for the season?
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Sunday Mirror is saying he's out for the season.
Seems a bit unlikely
Plus it’s the Sunday mirror. I wouldn’t believe rhat rag if they told me it wa Sunday
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It's bound to be true.
This is Villa we are talking about.
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The Villa View blokes were saying the rumours coming out of the club are that its very bad. I really hope not.
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Will we get compensation from the Ivory Coast?
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News filtering through that he needs another op. Doubt we'll see him again this season.
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Not good and no way of knowing, but I'm sure this would have happened, regardless.
Deal with it Bruce
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Yep out for 5 months apparently, needs an Op.
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So promotion will have to be won without him. :((
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Seriously needs to offload Hogan and try to get some one n January.
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Yep out for 5 months apparently, needs an Op.
FFS! Awful news. What's the source Bruce?
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Yep out for 5 months apparently, needs an Op.
FFS! Awful news. What's the source Bruce?
Yep
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Fuck sake that’s shit news.
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He should never have gone on International duty. Club should've refused to let him go.
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Im pretty pissed off with Kodjia over this too, your injured FFS you idiot. Hogan isnt cutting it so we now need to get through to January and sign a replacement.
Terrible couple of weeks for injuries.
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We’ve got no choice but to make do with what we’ve got through December, but Bruce clearly needs to bring in a forward and centre back in January. Will we need to raise funds through player sales or do we have funds available? If not, then he’s going to have to be shrewd with some clever loan signings if we’re going to stay in the top 6 come May.
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Get well soon.
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What shitty news. A good loan move is needed now. Maybe Afobe at Bournemouth, or someone similar. I'd be reluctant to move for Crouch as it'll only encourage hoof ball from Bruce.
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He should never have gone on International duty. Club should've refused to let him go.
If you read Bruce's comments and understand the rules, we had no choice. If a country's medical staff come in and assess him and clear him to travel there is jack shit a club can do.
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how long is the Murphy kid out for?
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Its a blow but we've coped with his absence pretty well so far, he's not scored so far has he?
We'll certainly need to think about bringing a couple in in Jan if we dont have anyone on the books who can make a difference.
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Its a blow but we've coped with his absence pretty well so far, he's not scored so far has he?
A pen against Bolton.
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and created a few.
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5 months is a worst case scenario isn't it? Players these days usually back much quicker. I think he'll be playing again in March but it's obvious we need another striker in January.
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Could be out for the season according to Brucey.
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We're having some seriously bad luck with strikers and injuries. How far off are RHM and even Gabby for a return to the squad?
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We're having some seriously bad luck with strikers and injuries. How far off are RHM and even Gabby for a return to the squad?
We will struggle for goals if the team are to rely on Gabby for them. Luckily the midfield are chipping in with quite a few at the moment.
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I backed Gabby to be Championship top scorer this season, which probably says more about by betting prowess than his aptitude.
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We're having some seriously bad luck with strikers and injuries. How far off are RHM and even Gabby for a return to the squad?
I think RHM is playing back for the U23 this week
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Begs the question whether Bruce brought him back too soon, in an attempt to save his job at the time, bearing in mind he broke down in the match vs scum ahead of the internationals with Ivory coast.
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I backed Gabby to be Championship top scorer this season, which probably says more about by betting prowess than his aptitude.
He's got 1 in 2 at the moment.
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Begs the question whether Bruce brought him back too soon, in an attempt to save his job at the time, bearing in mind he broke down in the match vs scum ahead of the internationals with Ivory coast.
A game 6 weeks after Barnsley.
He did it shooting as he went over funny. Nothing to do with Bruce.
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Hepburn tweeted recently that he had only returned to training. I'd love him to get a go but a loan-signing for up front in January is probably inevitable. A pity that Grabban fella is stuck at Sunderland.
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In those 6 weeks, he didn't look the same player that got 19 goals last season when he was 100% fit.
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In those 6 weeks, he didn't look the same player that got 19 goals last season when he was 100% fit.
So in that case, we shouldn't have played him?
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I backed Gabby to be Championship top scorer this season, which probably says more about by betting prowess than his aptitude.
He's got 1 in 2 at the moment.
Reckon they'll pay out?
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So we'll probably be looking at bringing a forward in on loan in January....Danny Ings is on the mend at Liverpool, Ulloa at Leicester, Crouch possibly wanting a few more games until the end of the season....who knows, just some realistic names that come to mind.
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...it's just that it's Friday afternoon, we have a game tomorrow and no one has started a pre-match thread yet. I mean, aren't you worried?
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Begs the question whether Bruce brought him back too soon, in an attempt to save his job at the time, bearing in mind he broke down in the match vs scum ahead of the internationals with Ivory coast.
A game 6 weeks after Barnsley.
He did it shooting as he went over funny. Nothing to do with Bruce.
He did it before carrying on to shoot, and still was inches from a perfect finish.
It's a big blow, he's a fucking brilliant player at this level that I love watching.
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In a lot of ways it is completely awful. However, wouldn't it be great if we had him for the run in if we were running out of steam. And if its the play offs ideally set up for him. Just trying to be positive.
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He'll be back in March.
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He'll be back in March.
Is this confirmed? Seems to have gone very quiet. Last I read was he was off to a specialist and things were not looking good
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He'll be back in March.
To empty his locker
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So many people seem happy to see the back of him.
It's funny how sodding toothless we look without him. Yes, he has faults, but if he didn't and was just a top drawer striker, he wouldn't be playing for us at this level.
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There’s no doubt in my mind that his absence essentially all season has completely fucked our season. I’m not one for throwing Bruce a bone but it was obvious he would built the campaign around Kodjia had he been fit from the start. He’s the best forward in the division by a mile when fit. He makes infinitely more threatening. Last season he was just brilliant at times.
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There’s no doubt in my mind that his absence essentially all season has completely fucked our season. I’m not one for throwing Bruce a bone but it was obvious he would built the campaign around Kodjia had he been fit from the start. He’s the best forward in the division by a mile when fit. He makes infinitely more threatening. Last season he was just brilliant at times.
I love him. We got into Barnsley early and watched the players warm up, even just in practice his striking of the ball was on a different level to Hogan and Davies.
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I agree entirely with the previous three posts, he can be frustrating but the man's got quality and I hope he is back by March at the latest if not sooner 🙏
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As frustrating as he can be to watch at times, we've missed him and his unpredictability.
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Here´s Kodge.....getting the Cold Room treatment ( in France, I think ) , Brrrrr, bet you don´t get this on the NHS!..................Godzvilla!
https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/aston-villa-steps-up-recovery-in-latest-key-update/
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I think you might be able to get a cold sponge bath Godzvilla.
I wonder what that means in terms of Kodjia's due date back?
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I think you might be able to get a cold sponge bath Godzvilla.
I wonder what that means in terms of Kodjia's due date back?
Still months off yet.
For what it's worth I agree with all of the above, incredibly frustrating and selfish on the ball if there's no clear striking opportunity but when there is... god help the keeper. Clearly a fabulous finisher. You can always tell an 'out-an-out' striker by how allergic they are to passing the ball, and Kodjia's a fine example
I'd still be pushing hard to sign up the likes of Ings on loan if possible in January because Kodj could take a long while to get back to his best, even when he's match fit again. Don't think we can count on him at all this season.
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my worry for him is that he could be knocking on 30 before he gets back to anything like fitness, a whole season and possibly the start of another missed at his age is a lot of missed matches. Here's hoping he comes back strong and in his imperious 201617 form
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scrub that - just realized he's only 28 - i thought he was a year older!
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Kodjia out for the season according to Bruce.
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I think it was the news we were all expecting.
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We need him 100% for first game of next season at home to Man City.
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Haha that would be when reality bites again regular ass whippings at The Maine Road upgrade.
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Kodjia out for the season according to Bruce.
Terry was out of the Forest game according to Bruce on Friday morning.
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Kodjia out for the season according to Bruce.
A massive shame. Hopefully we can get him back to his best over summer. Big opportunity for Hogan and he's beginning to show what he's capable of.
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Kodjia out for the season according to Bruce.
A massive shame. Hopefully we can get him back to his best over summer. Big opportunity for Hogan and he's beginning to show what he's capable of.
It is. But what’s a bigger shame is that we have a £12m striker fit again and tearing it up in Australia, who has a brilliant pedigree in the Champiinship and could and should be helping us secure promotion. Injuries happen, I’m glad Scotty is coming good, but McCormack massively fucks me off
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Think 'in Australia' sums him up sadly.
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Kodjia out for the season according to Bruce.
Sorry if I have missed this, when did Bruce say that ?
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Kodjia out for the season according to Bruce.
Sorry if I have missed this, when did Bruce say that ?
Yes pretty much said to forget him for the rest of the season. Probably for the best anyway
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Him coming back fully fit for the playoffs might be a bonus though.
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Him coming back fully fit for the playoffs might be a bonus though.
Second place team won’t be in the playoffs Ozz 😉
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gutted - I love watching Kodjia play. Here's hoping for a total recovery.
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Him coming back fully fit for the playoffs might be a bonus though.
Second place team won’t be in the playoffs Ozz 😉
Second? We’re finishing first.
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Jimmy Danger. Back in full training on a Monday
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Jimmy Danger. Back in full training on a Monday
Sounds great news but reality is he will be way too rusty to have an impact this year surely?
TBH I think we have done pretty well without him
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He'll be back in mid-late April I would have thought.
Come on as sub to score the promotion goal at Ipswich.
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or the winner at Wembley?
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or the winner at Wembley?
How will he be playing for Fulham?
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Jimmy Danger. Back in full training on a Monday
Sounds great news but reality is he will be way too rusty to have an impact this year surely?
TBH I think we have done pretty well without him
He's a long way off match fit and he'll need time, but are you suggesting that he's come back to full training just to sit out the next two months and be ready for pre-season? He'll be itching to get back, Bruce won't rush him, but barring any further injuries we'll surely see him back in the shirt by the end of the season.
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If he's back in full training I expect we'll see him play for the U23s before long. We have a games on Monday (league vs Reading) and Friday (cup vs Blackburn) next week apparently so we may well see him in one of those.
If he does and he comes through half a game ok I really would be surprised if we see him around the main squad come Easter. Unless he has a set back he'll definitely play a few times before the end of the season, full training only helps to a point before you need match fitness.
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If he's fit enough even to come off the bench from April until the end of the season he'll be a dangerous addition to our squad.
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Don't they return to pre season training 5 weeks before the start of the season? Id use that timescale as a guide so mid April he'll be back in contention hopefully. It would be good to see him start a game this season and if we're in the playoffs he could have a big impact then.
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Don't they return to pre season training 5 weeks before the start of the season? Id use that timescale as a guide so mid April he'll be back in contention hopefully. It would be good to see him start a game this season and if we're in the playoffs he could have a big impact then.
Not quite comparable. He has probably been able to train for some time in order to build up his fitness. Full training will be back on the field, and including contact.
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Don't they return to pre season training 5 weeks before the start of the season? Id use that timescale as a guide so mid April he'll be back in contention hopefully. It would be good to see him start a game this season and if we're in the playoffs he could have a big impact then.
Not quite comparable. He has probably been able to train for some time in order to build up his fitness. Full training will be back on the field, and including contact.
Yep, he's been in training since the middle of feb, he's into contact amd patch prep training now, it's normally a week or 2 before players are around squads from there and with 2 U23 matches next week and then nothing scheduled until April (but there are a couple of games to be rearranged from what I can tell) I suspect they'll try to get him into one of those.
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This is very positive news but after the last time he won’t be rushed back. That he has got himself to this point is immense credit to the player and our often maligned medical staff. But with Grabban playing well, Hogan, RHM, Davis and our midfield providing more than their fair share there will be no need to rush him back. If he is available again by April if will be a massive boost for the final few games.
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It's not really rushing, if he's in full contact training then there's not much more that can be done to prepare for matches. If he's going to breakdown it will be picked up by him making natural movements in training matches just as easily as in full games. The key is to only give him short spells of 15-20 minutes in first team games.
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Bloody hell, Bruce isn't the best when it comes to dates and time passing is he? Apparently Kodjia has been out for a year. Not since October then.
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I reckon he’s talking about the player being out from the back end of last season, missing pre season coming back in October but clearly wasn’t himself or ready and being out again until now. It probably feels like a year that we’ve really seen the best of Kodjia because the version we saw in October wasn’t the player who scored for fun last season. Just watched a montage of some of his goals for us and there really are some crackers in there.
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Might be better to write off this season and get him properly fit and firing for next. Personally, I still think we will be in this division so a fully fit main striker from the very start would be a huge boost.
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our recent form is better than Wolves though.
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I did think that if we end up in the playoffs, it’d be a huge boost to have Kodjia available again.
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hence my Wembley remark! I think he might have a vital cameo to play in all this yet
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Well JK, after tonight's performance and the run we're on generally, good luck getting back in to this side!
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Well JK, after tonight's performance and the run we're on generally, good luck getting back in to this side!
Even having him as sub would be massive. Imagine trying to mark our front four all game then some fucker brings on Kodjia for 30 mins.
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Well JK, after tonight's performance and the run we're on generally, good luck getting back in to this side!
Even having him as sub would be massive. Imagine trying to mark our front four all game then some fucker brings on Kodjia for 30 mins.
Ha ha. Only worth a place on the bench. He's obviously been out of action a while.
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He'd absolutely tear it up in our side right now.
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He'd absolutely tear it up in our side right now.
Absolutely. He must be gutted he's missing this. It would be fantastic to have him back as an option for some of the 'tickly bit'
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Well JK, after tonight's performance and the run we're on generally, good luck getting back in to this side!
Even having him as sub would be massive. Imagine trying to mark our front four all game then some fucker brings on Kodjia for 30 mins.
Certainly would Risso. He could cover the wide areas and striker position, so would be a very handy option to have for the run-in.
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He'd absolutely tear it up in our side right now.
Absolutely. He must be gutted he's missing this. It would be fantastic to have him back as an option for some of the 'tickly bit'
Opposition will have to cope with two teams. The Villa team and Team Kodjia.
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Well JK, after tonight's performance and the run we're on generally, good luck getting back in to this side!
Even having him as sub would be massive. Imagine trying to mark our front four all game then some fucker brings on Kodjia for 30 mins.
Quite. A player who offers something entirely different and is represents the most potent goal threat at the club. As a defender you’d be gutted you managed to keep the score down to 3, then he trots on with that “I’m going to rip you several new ones” grin on his face.
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Kodjia only scored once in his eight starts this season. Get rid. ;-)
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Kodjia to play in a behind closed doors friendly this week according to SB. I told you, Kodjia to score the winner in the play-off final at Wembley.....it's written in the stars!
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Good to have The Kodge back.
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Kodjia being fit would be a very timely boost in the run in.
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Kodjia to play in a behind closed doors friendly this week according to SB...
Looks like he came through his scheduled 45 minuets ok, as did Green.
(by the way, it was against Peterborough and a 1-1 draw. No idea who scored or played)
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Kodjia to play in a behind closed doors friendly this week according to SB...
Looks like he came through his scheduled 45 minuets ok, as did Green.
(by the way, it was against Peterborough and a 1-1 draw. No idea who scored or played)
Not far off the schedule I suggested then, just a closed friendly rather than a U23 game. I think he'll be in the squad by the middle of April and will make 3-4 appearances by the end of the regular season, meaning he should be up to speed for the play offs, which is a massive boost.
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Kodja is not only a difference maker when fit he provides an injection of confidence to the entire squad, club and fans. Having him lead the line makes us infinitely more dangerous.
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So if fully fit is he thrown straight in as the lone striker?
Hogan already pushed out so that would probably cause some moodiness with Grabben who has seemingly got form
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So if fully fit is he thrown straight in as the lone striker?
Hogan already pushed out so that would probably cause some moodiness with Grabben who has seemingly got form
If Grabben is scoring goals then no reason to change anything and we have the luxury of unleashing Kodjia off the bench. But if there is any doubt at all about Grabben and Kodjia is fit and ready to roll then you go with Jimmy.
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Round was clear last night that it was a couple of weeks before they expect him available for the first team.
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Round was clear last night that it was a couple of weeks before they expect him available for the first team.
Yes hopefully for the final few games and playoffs. It would be wonderful if somehow a miracle has occurred and instead he is banging in the goals to secure promotion vs Millwall.
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Easter a little to early but the weekend after was the gist of it.
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Cardiff might be too soon on the 10th, but Leeds at Villa Park on April 13th is what I was thinking.
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What a boost that would be. Fantastic player.
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Couple of weeks?
I’d assumed a month or so after all this time out
Maybe in time for the play offs
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Couple of weeks?
I’d assumed a month or so after all this time out
Maybe in time for the play offs
Remember these players are intrinsically professional athletes so he maybe ring rusty but its not like he will turn back up with a LGV drivers beer gut
That was Gabby :)
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So if fully fit is he thrown straight in as the lone striker?
Hogan already pushed out so that would probably cause some moodiness with Grabben who has seemingly got form
If Grabben is scoring goals then no reason to change anything and we have the luxury of unleashing Kodjia off the bench. But if there is any doubt at all about Grabben and Kodjia is fit and ready to roll then you go with Jimmy.
Another option is playing him out left in place of Adomah. A front three of Snodgrass, Grabban and Kodjia, with Grealish and Hourihane behind would do most teams serious damage!
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I agree. There’s something about him up front that annoys me. He’s a great threa but he doesn’t half make stupid decisions sometimes. You really need that player to contribute to building attacks
Coming from wide I think he can do real damage
But dropping Adomah at the moment would be mad
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I think Jack and Snoddy behind Adomah Grabban and Kodjia would be frightening.
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I think Jack and Snoddy behind Adomah Grabban and Kodjia would be frightening.
Yes frightening but not sure who for? It's what they call "the false midfield" line up.
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Keep him keen. Half an hour up top for Grabban is the way to go. If Albert and Snoddy are fit then they start. Imagine how you would feel as a tired defensive lump if we threw him at you later in a game.
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I think Jack and Snoddy behind Adomah Grabban and Kodjia would be frightening.
Yes frightening but not sure who for? It's what they call "the false midfield" line up.
We could probably get away with it if we had a mobile defensive midfielder who could pass, we could still let the full backs get forward a little as well so long as Jack and Snoddy were working hard.
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I'm glad he's back in training will be a bonus to have him back for the last few games and possibly the Play Offs he will be hungry after the season he's had.
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Bruce tends to overstate the timeframe of when an injured player (moreso long-term) will return, understandable in a way, but I was never convinced when he kept saying Kodjia would miss the rest of the season.
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Even if he’s able to play it may take a while before we see the kodjia of last season
It’s still a bonus for me if he has anything to contribute
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Apparently he sulked off at the end. Hourihane and others had been in his face for lack of movement.
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I think he's massively frustrated that his body can't seem to do what his mind is sure it can. He looks a very pale shadow of the frightening player he was last season.
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Sadly I don’t think he’s going to get it together this season. We’re consequently very Grabban reliant.
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No time for passengers I'm afraid.Step up or ship out.
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I think Jack and Snoddy behind Adomah Grabban and Kodjia would be frightening.
I think wondered where Ossie Ardiles had got to
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I think Jack and Snoddy behind Adomah Grabban and Kodjia would be frightening.
I think wondered where Ossie Ardiles had got to
It would be frightening. For Terry and Chester.
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No time for passengers I'm afraid.Step up or ship out.
Stupid comment! He missed the whole pre-season. He's essentially still playing catch-up on match fitness. Service to him and Grabban wasn't the best tonight.
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Bruce apparently had a go at hourihane and reminded him Kodjia has been out for nearly a year.
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No time for passengers I'm afraid.Step up or ship out.
Stupid comment! He missed the whole pre-season. He's essentially still playing catch-up on match fitness. Service to him and Grabban wasn't the best tonight.
Rubbish.This is no time for catching up on match fitness
He's spent.
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Bruce apparently had a go at hourihane and reminded him Kodjia has been out for nearly a year.
Hourihane is the last of our players that should have a go, given he disappeared after 20 minutes.
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Kodjia did OK when he came on.
Not great, but OK. He held the ball up a bit better than he normally does. But that isn't his game, really. He'd be better coming on out wide, playing on the shoulder and leaving Grabban up top.
Is Davis injured? Or just out of favour. Can understand the thinking of having your more experienced players in games such as today. but the counter to that is young players sometimes play without fear.
We probably relied on him too much in the early part of the campaign, but he is a nightmare for centre halves even if he's not scoring and the ball tends to stick when it goes up towards him.
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No time for passengers I'm afraid.Step up or ship out.
Ship out is a bit hash but we should forget about him for the next two matches.
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He's still capable of creating something from nothing.
He did well when he came off the bench against Leeds and Cardiff, and changed the momentum back in our favour.
Boro were well organised today and barely gave us a sniff second half, but if the game opens up on Tue, you'd want Kodjia in the final third rather than Scott Hogan.
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It's totally unreasonable to judge him now. To come in and expect him to tear it up having been missing for the best part of a year is ridiculous.
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KG you are absolutely correct v Cardiff. Bamba was dominating in defence and marshalling Grabban however when he had to deal with Kodjia he fell off the perch and we were in control after that.
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He came on and lounged about looking half arsed and was rightly called out by team mates.
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Is Davis injured? Or just out of favour. Can understand the thinking of having your more experienced players in games such as today. but the counter to that is young players sometimes play without fear.
We probably relied on him too much in the early part of the campaign, but he is a nightmare for centre halves even if he's not scoring and the ball tends to stick when it goes up towards him.
Apparently Davis travelled with the team.
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Bruce apparently had a go at hourihane and reminded him Kodjia has been out for nearly a year.
Hourihane is the last of our players that should have a go, given he disappeared after 20 minutes.
I’m quite a big critic of hourihane for disappearing but I thought he was ok today
Would still play Onomah on Tuesday though
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Bruce apparently had a go at hourihane and reminded him Kodjia has been out for nearly a year.
Hourihane is the last of our players that should have a go, given he disappeared after 20 minutes.
Indeed.
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It's totally unreasonable to judge him now. To come in and expect him to tear it up having been missing for the best part of a year is ridiculous.
To be fair I don’t think many people are saying he isn’t a good player or that he’s not doing a shift, just that he isn’t ready to play a role in the playoffs as hoped.
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Bruce apparently had a go at hourihane and reminded him Kodjia has been out for nearly a year.
Hourihane is the last of our players that should have a go, given he disappeared after 20 minutes.
I’m quite a big critic of hourihane for disappearing but I thought he was ok today
Would still play Onomah on Tuesday though
Instead of Hourihane? Think there is more chance of Bjarnsson coming in but I'd expect Hourihane to hold his place.
Don't think Onomoah has enough discipline to be a starter in one of these games. Bringing him on is the best bet if we need a goal.
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I would start Davis on Tuesday. It would throw Boro completely, and give us a focal point. Grabban left and Snoddy right and hold Adomah and Kodjia back. We desperately needed a target man to hold it tonight.
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Davis has looked well out of form
Bjarnason might be needed at full back, otherwise I agree he could play CM
Think Onomah is much more effective at winning the ball than given credit for
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A disgrace today unless he was injured zero effort
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Kodjia came on at a time when Villa had given up looking like scoring. Grabban did no better when he was up there on his own either. Unfortunately, Kodjia does look a bit sulky on the odd occasion but today really wasn't his fault. He had to drop deeper and deeper to get a touch of the ball. Playing up front on your own is really, really tough.
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Kodjia came on at a time when Villa had given up looking like scoring. Grabban did no better when he was up there on his own either. Unfortunately, Kodjia does look a bit sulky on the odd occasion but today really wasn't his fault. He had to drop deeper and deeper to get a touch of the ball. Playing up front on your own is really, really tough.
Yes, I think he was told to hold the ball up front, which is antithetical to his natural game.
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He was very poor. Having said that our midfield seem to have perfected the art of isolating our lone striker whoever he is.
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Not read other posts, but he is not up to speed imo. I like Hogan and think he is a player, but we are 1-0 up and need someone to hold the ball, Kieron Daies perhaps
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Who?
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Who?
That Welsh kid Daies.
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No time for passengers I'm afraid.Step up or ship out.
Ship out is a bit hash but we should forget about him for the next two matches.
Weed be better off with Davis on the bench.
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No time for passengers I'm afraid.Step up or ship out.
Ship out is a bit hash but we should forget about him for the next two matches.
Weed be better off with Davis on the bench.
Nah, he's gone to pot lately.
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No time for passengers I'm afraid.Step up or ship out.
Ship out is a bit hash but we should forget about him for the next two matches.
Weed be better off with Davis on the bench.
Nah, he's gone to pot lately.
He needs to score
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Is he a number 1 or 2?
No time for passengers I'm afraid.Step up or ship out.
Ship out is a bit hash but we should forget about him for the next two matches.
Weed be better off with Davis on the bench.
Nah, he's gone to pot lately.
Is he a number 1 or 2?
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Cue snooker punathon.
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Cue snooker punathon.
Give it a rest.
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Cue snooker punathon.
Give it a rest.
I'll grab myself a cushion for this one.
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At the moment all he looks good for is a foul, and a miss
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I'm getting very worried for the guy - he desperately needs a few goals to boost his confidence.
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No time for passengers I'm afraid.Step up or ship out.
Ship out is a bit hash but we should forget about him for the next two matches.
Weed be better off with Davis on the bench.
Nah, he's gone to pot lately.
someone’s toke his mojo away; the dirty roach.
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I thought that playing Davis would have been a smart move yesterday, against those CB.
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Kodjia just doesn't seem fit and I would have thought both Hogan and Davis would have been a better bet as sub yesterday
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It was far from an ideal situation for him to come into yesterday. We had very little possession and when we did have the ball we just punted it aimlessly up front. The midfield was non-existent, apart from Jack, as Jedinak was essentially playing as an extra defender and Hourihane was doing his best Downing impression.
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At the moment all he looks good for is a foul, and a miss
If we get to the final he will come on as sub and score a dramatic winner, well that’s what I dreamt.
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It was far from an ideal situation for him to come into yesterday. We had very little possession and when we did have the ball we just punted it aimlessly up front. The midfield was non-existent, apart from Jack, as Jedinak was essentially playing as an extra defender and Hourihane was doing his best Downing impression.
Yeah I agree with this. Really, this entire period of him coming back from injury into the pressure-cooker play-off atmosphere isn't ideal, not allowing him to develop any kind of rhythm and form. Yesterday he made one big error after a good bit of hold up play, giving it away, but other than that he was basically doing a 20 minute bleep test after he'd been brought on. We certainly won't see him back to his best until after the summer.
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We have to remember that we weren't expecting him back at all this season, and save for a few games, he's been out for a year. Getting a bad injury and then getting another one so quickly after his 'return' will have affected his confidence, being injured for that long will have left him rusty.
We are doing the right thing by playing him back in towards the end of games, and it's good not to have to rush him back this time because he's all we've got. He's an option, and we have have others - that's a good place to be.
I think he will look better again by next season, but yesterday in particular, there was no way he could be expected to put us back on the front foot all on his own from how far back we'd dropped.
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I thought that playing Davis would have been a smart move yesterday, against those CB.
Davis hasn't made the squad for weeks now, not sure what's up there.
Think if we're in a similar situation on Tuesday, Hogan will be coming on instead.
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I thought that playing Davis would have been a smart move yesterday, against those CB.
Davis hasn't made the squad for weeks now, not sure what's up there.
Think if we're in a similar situation on Tuesday, Hogan will be coming on instead.
Let's hope not.
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I thought that playing Davis would have been a smart move yesterday, against those CB.
Davis hasn't made the squad for weeks now, not sure what's up there.
Think if we're in a similar situation on Tuesday, Hogan will be coming on instead.
Understand that. I just think that against Boro he might have had more impact.
It is strange that he has been sidelined.
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the only positive Davis he brings is an ability to hold the ball up and bring others into play - he's never going to be a prolific scorer himself. If that's enough then fine.
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He hasn't looked good at all since he's been back. OK, I get that yesterday wasn't a great game position but leaving him blameless smacks of people making excuses for Hogan not scoring. Frankly, if he'd have played a bit better then it might not have been such a tough watch last half hour. I'd still prefer him to Hogan coming on based entirely on last season but he needs to show something.
As with others not sure why Davis has been completely shut out. He has his weaknesses but was also a pretty key member of the team for a fair chunk of the season.
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I’m not actually sure Kodjia is a great option as sub, fitness issues aside. Hold up play not that good and he needs minutes on the pitch to do his thing because even when he’s bang on form he can drift in and out of things.
Plus, and this isn’t based on any actual facts, I sense he thrives on being the main man and wonder if that trait lends itself to putting an unglamorous 10 minute shift in trapping the ball by the corner flag, or coming on and throwing yourself into the action when we’re chasing a game when he’s watched most of the game from the bench.
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I don't think Grabbon is that good at holding the ball up either.
The best back to goal man is Davis.
Obviously Kodjia is a match winner has the ability to change a game thats why Bruce will throw him on.
However pump it long and not a much is going to stick. Doesn't seem to win many headers. thats why it was all hands to the pump in the 2nd half.
But out of the three he is the biggest goal threat.
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Someone else summed it up best when he said Kodjia looks like a man confused why his body can't do what he thinks it should at the moment.
That's bad injuries for you.
There's no quick fix or guarantee he'll ever be the player he was before it. And that's not his fault obviously. If anything it must be bloody awful for him
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absolutely - nothing would give me greater pleasure than to see JK smash in the winner at Wembley
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I thought he showed some brief flashes of the player he used to be when he came on. He just didn't get much of an opportunity and anyway we weren't playing to his strengths at the time.
It was always going to take weeks or months for him to find his feet again, he's still very much in the process of getting there. To be perfectly honest a full pre-season is probably the only cure for it, but personally I would start him at Wembley and let Grabban come off the bench for once. I didn't think Lewis had a great game overall at VP and probably should have scored - so he might be more dangerous for us if we comes on at half-time or the 60 minute mark, depending on how Kodjia is doing.
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I'd play both. We have to go for the throat
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Could be the ace in our pack.
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I do not think Grabban has done enough to start if we play with one center forward. I really fancy Kodjia to enjoy himself at wembley and help us through....however, he will be on the bench
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Grabban and Kodj together. I'm repeating myself I know but it needs to be said.
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It's a really hard one. I fancy Grabban more as an impact sub. I think Jimmy needs to work himself into a game. Hard to judge Grabban based on the last 2 games where he's been a spare part almost by design whereas he looked immense in the run in. Playing both is ballsy and could go badly wrong, not a Bruce move at all. Assume they are both great penalty takers so he might want them both on at the end - does that makes it less likely both will start? Glad I'm not picking the team.
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absolutely - nothing would give me greater pleasure than to see JK smash in the winner at Wembley
Apart from Alan Hutton, obviously.
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now that really is a fantasy!
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I'd start Kodjia in Albert's position on the left. Albert hasn't been pulling up any trees for a while now.
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I'd start Kodjia in Albert's position on the left. Albert hasn't been pulling up any trees for a while now.
I'm inclined to agree, let's give them something different to think about.
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I thought Albert played OK on Tuesday and better as the game went on. I think we'd miss him tackling back and creating space by getting chalk on his boots.
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I'd start Kodjia in Albert's position on the left. Albert hasn't been pulling up any trees for a while now.
I'm inclined to agree, let's give them something different to think about.
yeah
But he has worked hard defensively, you going to get that with Johnny
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I thought Albert played OK on Tuesday and better as the game went on. I think we'd miss him tackling back and creating space by getting chalk on his boots.
I agree, we would miss his work rate. Their right back, whose name I cannot remember, is a real threat going forward and we need to try to counter that. Albert will track him but also give something to worry about going forward.
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Fredericks - plays like a winger a lot of the time
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I thought Albert played OK on Tuesday and better as the game went on. I think we'd miss him tackling back and creating space by getting chalk on his boots.
I agree, we would miss his work rate. Their right back, whose name I cannot remember, is a real threat going forward and we need to try to counter that. Albert will track him but also give something to worry about going forward.
Agree with this too. The balance of our attack isn't right but I wouldn't start Kodj on the left, Adomah gets through a lot of work going back the other way.
I think we lack pace in the final third so Kodj may be of use off the bench, especially if it's level going in to the last half hour.
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Yep
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I guess it depends if we want to be more worried about them than they are about us. If their right back is playing almost on the wing then he's leaving a gap. If we played Grabban and Kodjia with one of thme out on the left (Grabban for me) we could let our central midfield drift over to cover him but give him something to worry about if he loses the ball. It's the same thing I suggested if Boro had started with Fabio instead of Shotton (I forgot Shotton was the throw-in specialist though). We need to give them something tactical to worry about rather than just trying to plug holes all over the pitch or the inevitable consequence will be us defending deep and hoping for a bit of magic. When people talk about Bruce being defensive this is exactly what they're talking about, he will do exactly what is described and play Adomah so he can run back and cover Fredericks because that's how his teams play.
I have no issue with his ability to set up a defence but he'd never gamble by leaving a gap in the hopes of it drawing them out and creating gaps for us in turn, it's just not how he sees the game.
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I guess it depends if we want to be more worried about them than they are about us. If their right back is playing almost on the wing then he's leaving a gap. If we played Grabban and Kodjia with one of thme out on the left (Grabban for me) we could let our central midfield drift over to cover him but give him something to worry about if he loses the ball. It's the same thing I suggested if Boro had started with Fabio instead of Shotton (I forgot Shotton was the throw-in specialist though). We need to give them something tactical to worry about rather than just trying to plug holes all over the pitch or the inevitable consequence will be us defending deep and hoping for a bit of magic. When people talk about Bruce being defensive this is exactly what they're talking about, he will do exactly what is described and play Adomah so he can run back and cover Fredericks because that's how his teams play.
I have no issue with his ability to set up a defence but he'd never gamble by leaving a gap in the hopes of it drawing them out and creating gaps for us in turn, it's just not how he sees the game.
Fulham have lost a number of games this season as we all have. What style of play is most effective against them? I agree we can't be scared of them as they didn't even finish in the top 2 whereas Cardiff did and they're thundershite. However, we need to dot the i's and cross the ball a lot.
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Sell or keep?
A profitable asset. £12m plus.
If it meant keeping grealish then yes. Sell.
I love Jimmy Danger a real match winner. Can do things all on his own but also at times too selfish. His tendency to get injured and not be physical enough must be to Bruces disliking.
If he's more sale able than Hogan then move him and work a Hogan Davies Partnership with RHM involved too.
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Sell.
If this saves us from seeing Grealish leave.
Kodjia is a talented guy but he is just too hit and miss for me as well as being frustrating as hell to play alongside I’d imagine.
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Sell or keep?
A profitable asset. £12m plus.
If it meant keeping grealish then yes. Sell.
I love Jimmy Danger a real match winner. Can do things all on his own but also at times too selfish. His tendency to get injured and not be physical enough must be to Bruces disliking.
If he's more sale able than Hogan then move him and work a Hogan Davies Partnership with RHM involved too.
Difficult one for me. I want to keep Grealish at all costs because he is as "Villa" as any of us. I love having a real"one of our own" in the side - Especially one as gifted as Jack.
The problem I have is no Kodjia then who is going to score the goals? I've given up on Hogan and Davis isn't a regular scorer.
Grabban back on loan then sell for me - Alternatively keep.
How about a 433 involving a front 3 out of Kodjia, Grabban, Green and Davis? Grealish, BB & Hourihane behind them and a back 4 to include Chester, Elmo and Hutton?
I know we aren't going to get Grabban AND Hutton but it doesn't sound too bad does it? 3 times as much pace in the final third than we had this season.
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Not convinced he’s that saleable, depends on the ankle he’s already broke down once from it. But I’d sell anyone other than Grealish.
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Keep and get him fit.
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I think keep him too.
Kodjia has 20 goals in him, a quarter of what we need. Hogan doesn't and while RHM might come in and be excellent, you're really taking a huge gamble.
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The other alternative (just throwing it out there) is selling Kodjia and bringing in Hernandez who Bruce has worked with before although I think Hernandez fucked us about when we tried to sign him a couple of season's before.
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Sell or keep?
A profitable asset. £12m plus.
If it meant keeping grealish then yes. Sell.
I love Jimmy Danger a real match winner. Can do things all on his own but also at times too selfish. His tendency to get injured and not be physical enough must be to Bruces disliking.
If he's more sale able than Hogan then move him and work a Hogan Davies Partnership with RHM involved too.
Difficult one for me. I want to keep Grealish at all costs because he is as "Villa" as any of us. I love having a real"one of our own" in the side - Especially one as gifted as Jack.
The problem I have is no Kodjia then who is going to score the goals? I've given up on Hogan and Davis isn't a regular scorer.
Grabban back on loan then sell for me - Alternatively keep.
How about a 433 involving a front 3 out of Kodjia, Grabban, Green and Davis? Grealish, BB & Hourihane behind them and a back 4 to include Chester, Elmo and Hutton?
I know we aren't going to get Grabban AND Hutton but it doesn't sound too bad does it? 3 times as much pace in the final third than we had this season.
I'd probably switch us to a 433 to be fair. If we keep Bruce and carry on playing 3 centre mids then we just can't have wingers because we don't have enough people in the box for crosses to be successful and we let the wingers come too deep so the striker is isolated, this was why I wanted Kodjia and Grabban to start in the final as well. I'd be tempted to put Grealish into the 3 though so he can stay high up the field where he can do more damage. Grealish, Kodjia and RHM/Davis/Green with Bjarni, Jedi and Lyden/Doyle-Hayes/Clarke as the 3 in midfield.
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Sell or keep?
A profitable asset. £12m plus.
If it meant keeping grealish then yes. Sell.
I love Jimmy Danger a real match winner. Can do things all on his own but also at times too selfish. His tendency to get injured and not be physical enough must be to Bruces disliking.
If he's more sale able than Hogan then move him and work a Hogan Davies Partnership with RHM involved too.
Difficult one for me. I want to keep Grealish at all costs because he is as "Villa" as any of us. I love having a real"one of our own" in the side - Especially one as gifted as Jack.
The problem I have is no Kodjia then who is going to score the goals? I've given up on Hogan and Davis isn't a regular scorer.
Grabban back on loan then sell for me - Alternatively keep.
How about a 433 involving a front 3 out of Kodjia, Grabban, Green and Davis? Grealish, BB & Hourihane behind them and a back 4 to include Chester, Elmo and Hutton?
I know we aren't going to get Grabban AND Hutton but it doesn't sound too bad does it? 3 times as much pace in the final third than we had this season.
I'd probably switch us to a 433 to be fair. If we keep Bruce and carry on playing 3 centre mids then we just can't have wingers because we don't have enough people in the box for crosses to be successful and we let the wingers come too deep so the striker is isolated, this was why I wanted Kodjia and Grabban to start in the final as well. I'd be tempted to put Grealish into the 3 though so he can stay high up the field where he can do more damage. Grealish, Kodjia and RHM/Davis/Green with Bjarni, Jedi and Lyden/Doyle-Hayes/Clarke as the 3 in midfield.
As others have alluded to, Bruce has stumbled on a few things that have worked. 433 in his first season was one of them. With Snodgrass here, the temptation was to go 442 but without him, our squad can fit perfectly into a 433.
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The other alternative (just throwing it out there) is selling Kodjia and bringing in Hernandez who Bruce has worked with before although I think Hernandez fucked us about when we tried to sign him a couple of season's before.
It was his agent who messed us about apparently. Good player when fit.
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A fit Kodjia will get us promoted. Our build around him and Jack. Not many clubs will have that like of talent. Kodjia was brought back way too soon on both occasions and was miles off the pace and lacking any kind of confidence which declined as he became more frustrated. We have bodies to shed at the club. Jack and Jimmy should be the last names we get to in addressing our FFP issues.
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I would sell Kodjia before Jack though TV. He looked better in the play off final than he had for a while. He needs a pre season in him. He has a great relationship with Adomah too, who we forget scored 15 goals last season. Get Adomah, Green, Kodjia and Jack going and we are in business, but all the signs suggest the latter 2 won't be here. At least the window shuts early to kill off any chance of decent loan signings in August.
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Choice between selling Kodjia or Grealish sell Kodjia any day of the week.
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Yeah Kodjia is a funny one
In a shit team two years ago that unpredictable talent was a blessing
I'm not convinced he wouldn't have made our style more difficult this last season. Still better than Hogan though
Still might prefer Kodjia wide in a 433 where his erratic hold up play is less of a problem
But he's clearly a real talent
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Yeah Kodjia is a funny one
In a shit team two years ago that unpredictable talent was a blessing
I'm not convinced he wouldn't have made our style more difficult this last season. Still better than Hogan though
Still might prefer Kodjia wide in a 433 where his erratic hold up play is less of a problem
But he's clearly a real talent
Bruce has often spoken about a fit Kodjia being able to play in this "wide French second striker position". That's where I see him, with anyone but Hogan as the centre striker.
The only problem would be (especially under Bruce) would be the requirement to track back and help out. I'm not convinced that could be introduced into Kodjia's game at his age.
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Bruce has also spoken of being baffled by his team's performances.
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Bruce has also spoken of being baffled by his team's performances.
He's also spoken about the need to be there or thereabouts but I think these comments are better on the Steve Bruce thread, not the Jonathan Kodjia thread.
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I think I'll leave my post, whatever you think. Bruce's musings on how to use Kodjia make me laugh when he is baffled by our not winning because he set the team up as he did for the playoff final.
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The there or thereabouts thing massively fucked me off. We’re Aston Villa not fucking Hull or Wigan where those kinds of mediocre expectations are accepted. His goal was promotion, no pissing around. And say it with confidence.
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Choice between selling Kodjia or Grealish sell Kodjia any day of the week.
Keep both. Dr Xia needs to ensure that. Although I think his interest in the club is diminishing fast.....that statement doesn't give me any confidence in him at all.
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The there or thereabouts thing massively fucked me off. We’re Aston Villa not fucking Hull or Wigan where those kinds of mediocre expectations are accepted. His goal was promotion, no pissing around. And say it with confidence.
Ironically, we're just getting to the stage where our aspirations will be to finish there or thereabouts. With the players at Bruce's disposal last season, anything other than top 2 was a failure. In the next few years, the quality of our squad will diminish and we'll be forced to compete as a Hull or a Wigan. We've wasted a golden opportunity.
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I think that it would have been fairly soon after last weekend if there was going to be a change. It does need one because it’s an ideal time for me and it will be frustrating if this thing drags on and then there’s an announcement that Bruce is leaving.
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I think I'll leave my post, whatever you think. Bruce's musings on how to use Kodjia make me laugh when he is baffled by our not winning because he set the team up as he did for the playoff final.
Oh right - Well done for editing so as to give us a clue as to what you were on about.
Just for further clarity so as to make it perfectly clear:
I agree with Matt Colins, I would play Kodjia as one of the wide players in a 3. The fact that Bruce has alluded to this (and has indeed played him there in the past) indicates that it's a viable option.
Bruce has never blamed himself for losing a game other than possibly QPR at home. He blames losses on bad performances. My counter to that would be that the way he sets up his teams invites bad performances - We play with no swagger or intent.
However, it is me and not Bruce who is stating where I see Kodjia being most effective in a Villa shirt next season. I included Bruces comments so as to demonstrate that it would not be beyond the realms of possibility for this to happen.
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I think I'll leave my post, whatever you think. Bruce's musings on how to use Kodjia make me laugh when he is baffled by our not winning because he set the team up as he did for the playoff final.
Didn't Kodjia finish on 19 goals under Bruce in his first season?
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I think I'll leave my post, whatever you think. Bruce's musings on how to use Kodjia make me laugh when he is baffled by our not winning because he set the team up as he did for the playoff final.
Didn't Kodjia finish on 19 goals under Bruce in his first season?
sssh, that wasn't down to Bruce obviously
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Yeah Kodjia is a funny one
In a shit team two years ago that unpredictable talent was a blessing
I'm not convinced he wouldn't have made our style more difficult this last season. Still better than Hogan though
Still might prefer Kodjia wide in a 433 where his erratic hold up play is less of a problem
But he's clearly a real talent
Been a shadow of the player we saw in his first season, but that is understandable given his injury problems. I think if he were to go up a level, he would have to play as a wide forward as I’m not sure he has the all-round game to be a striker in the top flight. I think he would do well in a front two, with a forward who would act as a focal point and allow him to work the channels and try and get in behind. I would have liked to see us towards the end of the season field a front three with Grabban and Kodjia either side of Davis, as I think that would have given us a real threat up top.
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Choice between selling Kodjia or Grealish sell Kodjia any day of the week.
Keep both. Dr Xia needs to ensure that. Although I think his interest in the club is diminishing fast.....that statement doesn't give me any confidence in him at all.
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I think I'll leave my post, whatever you think. Bruce's musings on how to use Kodjia make me laugh when he is baffled by our not winning because he set the team up as he did for the playoff final.
Didn't Kodjia finish on 19 goals under Bruce in his first season?
sssh, that wasn't down to Bruce obviously
And it helped us to a fantastic 13th place finish. Let's have more of that shall we?
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What is the logic of your argument? That because we had a shit season two years ago there was nothing of any merit in it? Or that anything of merit was despite the manager?
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What is the logic of your argument? That because we had a shit season two years ago there was nothing of any merit in it? Or that anything of merit was despite the manager?
Yes and while we're at it, let's not acknowledge Adomah's 15 goals because we didn't go up.
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What is the logic of your argument? That because we had a shit season two years ago there was nothing of any merit in it? Or that anything of merit was despite the manager?
Yes and while we're at it, let's not acknowledge Adomah's 15 goals because we didn't go up.
What a strange chap you are.
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What is the logic of your argument? That because we had a shit season two years ago there was nothing of any merit in it? Or that anything of merit was despite the manager?
Yes and while we're at it, let's not acknowledge Adomah's 15 goals because we didn't go up.
What a strange chap you are.
Thank you. It's beats being miserable.
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No need for that, was there Risso?
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We need a striker to hit 20 goals. We've seen before the dangers of trading in your best forward in the hope of sprinkling his fee thinly amongst your squad.
I'd be getting rid of Hogan first, although I doubt that will be possible.
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I think we're in a time where the fees that we paid for players are secondary to the commitment we have in terms of wages. Personally, I think £2 million for either or both McCormack or Hogan would be good business because neither are worth £2 million to us right now. The saving in wages for the pair of them would be significant.
Even at £2 million though, we would probably struggle to shift them and neither player would take a drop in wages so we're stuck with both.
Sadly, we are in a position where our only real sellable players are the ones we want to hold onto: Kodjia, Jack, Chester, Elmo & Albert.
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I'm not sure we'd get a great deal for Elmo to be honest.
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I'm not sure we'd get a great deal for Elmo to be honest.
It's not about the money in, it's about shaving the wage bill.
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I'm not sure we'd get a great deal for Elmo to be honest.
It's not about the money in, it's about shaving the wage bill.
And that's all about the money ;)
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I'm not sure we'd get a great deal for Elmo to be honest.
It's not about the money in, it's about shaving the wage bill.
And that's all about the money ;)
"In" being the operative word. ;)
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No need for that, was there Risso?
I thought there was, hence the post. I’ve seen Russian bots with more personality and who post more sense.
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No need for that, was there Risso?
I thought there was, hence the post. I’ve seen Russian bots with more personality and who post more sense.
There was no need for that, either.
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I'm not sure we'd get a great deal for Elmo to be honest.
And I'm not sure I want to hold onto him either. I know he might not have been fully fit but I was so disappointed with him at Wembley. He offered nothing and was as timid as Taylor. Snodgrass didn't seem to have much confidence in using him on the overlap either though that may be down to him thinking he was the big cheese.
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No need for that, was there Risso?
I thought there was, hence the post. I’ve seen Russian bots with more personality and who post more sense.
Ouch. I'm er...wounded.
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I like Kodjia but I'd very worried if he was our starting striker for next season. 1 goal in 15 this season and his mobility seems to have been impacted quite a bit since injury. Seems to have bulked up a bit too much during his injury aswell. I'd hope to be proven wrong but ankle injuries nobbled JPA and Bent with us and I thought Kodjia showed similar signs when he came back at the end of the season. Remember at his best the season before, he was an elusive mobile forward but he rarely attempted to bring anyone else into the play.
If we got a decent offer for him, I'd be in favour of cashing in.
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No I'd hate to see The Kodge go :(
I have faith in him he will return to form.
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He’s going to be bloody important to us.
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I'm not sure we'd get a great deal for Elmo to be honest.
It's not about the money in, it's about shaving the wage bill.
Elmohamaday still has two years left on his deal. I'd safely safe he'll still be playing for us next season.
Was negative about his signing but I thought he was solid enough in majority of games he played.
Problem is now we don't go up and he's another difficult one hitting 30 and difficult to shift. We really need to stop offering 3 year deals to players coming up to 30 now.
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I'm not sure we'd get a great deal for Elmo to be honest.
It's not about the money in, it's about shaving the wage bill.
Elmohamaday still has two years left on his deal. I'd safely safe he'll still be playing for us next season.
Was negative about his signing but I thought he was solid enough in majority of games he played.
Problem is now we don't go up and he's another difficult one hitting 30 and difficult to shift. We really need to stop offering 3 year deals to players coming up to 30 now.
I like Elmo - I think he's consistent, puts a great ball in and is versatile. I'd be happy for him to stay for the remainder of his contract. Let's hope he doesn't stand out in the World Cup and attract interest from a lower table PL side or from abroad.
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Elmo is absolutely fine at Championship level. He’s not really a liability, generally puts in 7/10 games. Nothing special and has the odd game where he creates a goal or two. He’s at a point that he’s unlikely to attract any bids worth really accepting versus the cost of replacement.
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Elmo is absolutely fine at Championship level. He’s not really a liability, generally puts in 7/10 games. Nothing special and has the odd game where he creates a goal or two. He’s at a point that he’s unlikely to attract any bids worth really accepting versus the cost of replacement.
Do we need to sign a replacement though? If he has a good world cup and a premier league team comes in for him we'd be looking at £5-6m after paying about £1m for him, that's a massive boost to the FFP situation and then we bring DeLaet back and Have Bree as well. I'd be very happy with that. I'd say the same for Bjarnason as well. I'd love them both to play well and see offers because both play in positions where we have depth.
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Elmo is absolutely fine at Championship level. He’s not really a liability, generally puts in 7/10 games. Nothing special and has the odd game where he creates a goal or two. He’s at a point that he’s unlikely to attract any bids worth really accepting versus the cost of replacement.
Do we need to sign a replacement though? If he has a good world cup and a premier league team comes in for him we'd be looking at £5-6m after paying about £1m for him, that's a massive boost to the FFP situation and then we bring DeLaet back and Have Bree as well. I'd be very happy with that. I'd say the same for Bjarnason as well. I'd love them both to play well and see offers because both play in positions where we have depth.
Absolutely, particular if we can somehow keep Grealish and Chester.
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Dirty Leeds in for JD? FFS
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/leeds-united-kodjia-aston-villa-14875404 (http://LINK)
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Simon Jordan was hinting in his TS speech about us that Cardiff might be in for Kodjia although that might've been a speculative link.
I'd say clubs would wait until January to see how he gets on after the injury. At that point think he'd have 18 months left on his deal.
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If we get a reasonable fee I'm not too bothered by him going. I don't think he's ever going to fully recover from those ankle injuries
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What's a decent fee? Our money back? We paid a huge amount for him.
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I'm not sure anyone really knows exactly what we paid but say it was £11m if we could get £8-9m back I think it would be worth doing. i was hugely impressed by him in the first season but I honestly think those injuries have robbed him of fluidity of movement and confidence. He just looked a different player .
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He's hardly played enough minutes to form an opinion. He needs a full pre-season to make any judgments on whether he'll be back or otherwise.
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I think he has- although my view obviously different from yours, it's no less valid.
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Elmo is absolutely fine at Championship level. He’s not really a liability, generally puts in 7/10 games. Nothing special and has the odd game where he creates a goal or two. He’s at a point that he’s unlikely to attract any bids worth really accepting versus the cost of replacement.
Do we need to sign a replacement though? If he has a good world cup and a premier league team comes in for him we'd be looking at £5-6m after paying about £1m for him, that's a massive boost to the FFP situation and then we bring DeLaet back and Have Bree as well. I'd be very happy with that. I'd say the same for Bjarnason as well. I'd love them both to play well and see offers because both play in positions where we have depth.
if a prem team pays 5-6mill for Elmohamady I’ll show my arse at the Holte pub corner
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Kodjia looked great when he came on against Cardiff (I think it was) but seemed to struggle other than that whenever he played, which wasn't a great deal in all honesty, just a few sub appearances. Totally understandable though, he had a long lay off.
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Elmo is absolutely fine at Championship level. He’s not really a liability, generally puts in 7/10 games. Nothing special and has the odd game where he creates a goal or two. He’s at a point that he’s unlikely to attract any bids worth really accepting versus the cost of replacement.
Do we need to sign a replacement though? If he has a good world cup and a premier league team comes in for him we'd be looking at £5-6m after paying about £1m for him, that's a massive boost to the FFP situation and then we bring DeLaet back and Have Bree as well. I'd be very happy with that. I'd say the same for Bjarnason as well. I'd love them both to play well and see offers because both play in positions where we have depth.
if a prem team pays 5-6mill for Elmohamady I’ll show my arse at the Holte pub corner
I purposely went for a silly price but I can see someone like Colin Wanker thinking his experience would be of value and offering a decent price.
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I'm not sure that Bruce really likes Kodjia, perhaps thinks he's a show pony and isn't really a team player. I think he's great but a decent offer and he's gone I reckon. £10mill?
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I'm not sure that Bruce really likes Kodjia, perhaps thinks he's a show pony and isn't really a team player. I think he's great but a decent offer and he's gone I reckon. £10mill?
I would say he does, he saved his job in 16/17 when we didn't win for two and a half months and then he had a great goalscoring run.
Kodjia fit and firing gives Bruceball a cutting edge.
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Tough call on the Kodjia.
If he is still the player he once was then we'd be mad to sell him. Even for 15m.
However, i think a few folks fear he no longer is that same player, in which case 10m would be an absolute golden deal for us and one we'd be daft to turn down.
But we'll only know if he is that same player after about 10 games of the season so ...
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I'm not sure that Bruce really likes Kodjia, perhaps thinks he's a show pony and isn't really a team player. I think he's great but a decent offer and he's gone I reckon. £10mill?
I thought when Bruce came in he was looking to get rid of Kodjia at the end of the season, being one player he thought he could get money for to fund his next batch of buys. As it turned out he got injured.
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I'm not sure that Bruce really likes Kodjia, perhaps thinks he's a show pony and isn't really a team player. I think he's great but a decent offer and he's gone I reckon. £10mill?
I thought when Bruce came in he was looking to get rid of Kodjia at the end of the season, being one player he thought he could get money for to fund his next batch of buys. As it turned out he got injured.
What on earth made you think that when Bruce had got Kodjia playing brilliantly ?
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I'm not sure that Bruce really likes Kodjia, perhaps thinks he's a show pony and isn't really a team player. I think he's great but a decent offer and he's gone I reckon. £10mill?
I thought when Bruce came in he was looking to get rid of Kodjia at the end of the season, being one player he thought he could get money for to fund his next batch of buys. As it turned out he got injured.
What on earth made you think that when Bruce had got Kodjia playing brilliantly ?
After the event bias I would expect.
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Elmo is absolutely fine at Championship level. He’s not really a liability, generally puts in 7/10 games. Nothing special and has the odd game where he creates a goal or two. He’s at a point that he’s unlikely to attract any bids worth really accepting versus the cost of replacement.
Do we need to sign a replacement though? If he has a good world cup and a premier league team comes in for him we'd be looking at £5-6m after paying about £1m for him, that's a massive boost to the FFP situation and then we bring DeLaet back and Have Bree as well. I'd be very happy with that. I'd say the same for Bjarnason as well. I'd love them both to play well and see offers because both play in positions where we have depth.
if a prem team pays 5-6mill for Elmohamady I’ll show my arse at the Holte pub corner
That's given me another reason to stay away from the match. No offence like.
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I'm not sure that Bruce really likes Kodjia, perhaps thinks he's a show pony and isn't really a team player. I think he's great but a decent offer and he's gone I reckon. £10mill?
I thought when Bruce came in he was looking to get rid of Kodjia at the end of the season, being one player he thought he could get money for to fund his next batch of buys. As it turned out he got injured.
What on earth made you think that when Bruce had got Kodjia playing brilliantly ?
Only one person got Kodjia playing brilliantly and that was Kodjia himself. He played as an individual, so why you think it was down to Bruce is hard to comprehend.
Also, if you read my post, I said "when Bruce came in ...". As Kodjia got better and better, he became almost unsalable due to the flack that would come from the fans ( a bit like Adomah last season - another one that I do not think was in Bruce's plans at the start of last season).
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I'm not sure that Bruce really likes Kodjia, perhaps thinks he's a show pony and isn't really a team player. I think he's great but a decent offer and he's gone I reckon. £10mill?
I thought when Bruce came in he was looking to get rid of Kodjia at the end of the season, being one player he thought he could get money for to fund his next batch of buys. As it turned out he got injured.
What on earth made you think that when Bruce had got Kodjia playing brilliantly ?
Only one person got Kodjia playing brilliantly and that was Kodjia himself. He played as an individual, so why you think it was down to Bruce is hard to comprehend.
Also, if you read my post, I said "when Bruce came in ...". As Kodjia got better and better, he became almost unsalable due to the flack that would come from the fans ( a bit like Adomah last season - another one that I do not think was in Bruce's plans at the start of last season).
When he first arrived, he looked like he couldn't play up front on his own, but he really improved in that position during his first season. I still think his best position is playing as a wide forward on the left and if he did get a move into the top flight, I think that is where he would have to play.
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Only one person got Kodjia playing brilliantly and that was Kodjia himself. He played as an individual, so why you think it was down to Bruce is hard to comprehend.
Simple. Because whenever any player plays shit it's apparently Bruce's fault. So logic tells me when a player plays well it must be Bruce's fault as well
If not, then consider me confused.
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Only one person got Kodjia playing brilliantly and that was Kodjia himself. He played as an individual, so why you think it was down to Bruce is hard to comprehend.
Simple. Because whenever any player plays shit it's apparently Bruce's fault. So logic tells me when a player plays well it must be Bruce's fault as well
If not, then consider me confused.
Your confused.
Each player is responsible for playing to a decent standard on their own, last season most of our squad did that. A managers job is to put a team together in a way to enhances strengths and diminishes weakness to make it better than the sum of it's parts. The criticism Bruce gets isn't for players being poor, it's for not addressing the reasons why they've been poor. Too often we were reliant on individual quality to get into a game, that's why Snodgrass and Jack in particular were so important to us because they made chances from nothing.
EDIT to add an example.
Hogan being shit when the ball is being pinged at his head from 50 yards and he hasn't got a player within 30m of him - Bruce is to blame.
Hogan being shit because he looked like he couldn't be arsed running anymore (as happened once or twice) - Hogan's fault.
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I don’t think Hogan has been any good so far but I can’t remember any games when he’s stopped running to be honest
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Only one person got Kodjia playing brilliantly and that was Kodjia himself. He played as an individual, so why you think it was down to Bruce is hard to comprehend.
Simple. Because whenever any player plays shit it's apparently Bruce's fault. So logic tells me when a player plays well it must be Bruce's fault as well
If not, then consider me confused.
You haven’t got the hang of this board at all. Other than a 6 month honeymoon period managers are to blame for everything and anything positive is in spite of them. The only exceptions being those who are not here long enough to qualify for the post honeymoon treatment. The other factor to consider as that all those running the club are incompetent buffoons but we still expect them to make a success of picking the next manager.
We still agitate for change as the theory is that eventually it will work by the same theory that an infinite number of monkeys hitting typewriter keys at random will eventually produce the complete works of Shakespeare.
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Only one person got Kodjia playing brilliantly and that was Kodjia himself. He played as an individual, so why you think it was down to Bruce is hard to comprehend.
Simple. Because whenever any player plays shit it's apparently Bruce's fault. So logic tells me when a player plays well it must be Bruce's fault as well
If not, then consider me confused.
You haven’t got the hang of this board at all. Other than a 6 month honeymoon period managers are to blame for everything and anything positive is in spite of them. The only exceptions being those who are not here long enough to qualify for the post honeymoon treatment. The other factor to consider as that all those running the club are incompetent buffoons but we still expect them to make a success of picking the next manager.
We still agitate for change as the theory is that eventually it will work by the same theory that an infinite number of monkeys hitting typewriter keys at random will eventually produce the complete works of Shakespeare.
The alternative view Chris is that you should always be planning for the future. My view on managers is whether he is right for the next 3 years and where will he get us or what he will leave the next manager.
Managers go through poor spells but if you can see light at the end of the tunnel, you have to support them. My view on Houlier was different to most. I didn't turn on him for his comment at Liverpool because I could see what he was trying to do in difficult circumstances and he was succeeding until his health problems.
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We were about to get relegated until his health problems.
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We were about to get relegated until his health problems.
If you couldn't see that we had turned a corner and were on an upward trajectory, you possibly didn't want to.
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The types of players Houllier was targeting would have made us much better. Yes he was a bit of an arrogant cock but when was the last time we had a manager who wasn’t afraid to speak his mind and be bold about us? Far too long we’ve had apologists and managers like this current bloke who are just grateful to be manager and who think as a club we should be “there or thereabouts”. Fuck that. We’re Aston Villa and want us take it to teams.
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Only one person got Kodjia playing brilliantly and that was Kodjia himself. He played as an individual, so why you think it was down to Bruce is hard to comprehend.
Simple. Because whenever any player plays shit it's apparently Bruce's fault. So logic tells me when a player plays well it must be Bruce's fault as well
If not, then consider me confused.
You haven’t got the hang of this board at all. Other than a 6 month honeymoon period managers are to blame for everything and anything positive is in spite of them. The only exceptions being those who are not here long enough to qualify for the post honeymoon treatment. The other factor to consider as that all those running the club are incompetent buffoons but we still expect them to make a success of picking the next manager.
We still agitate for change as the theory is that eventually it will work by the same theory that an infinite number of monkeys hitting typewriter keys at random will eventually produce the complete works of Shakespeare.
To break the cycle it may help if we stop hiring monkeys.
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We came out of our penultimate home game against Wigan in May 2011 scanning the league tables and checking the permutations that could still take us down.
A bit different to the previous three seasons, despite having the majority of the same squad.
So it was a wee bit more than Houllier's ongoing obsession with Liverpool that made him unpopular (much as that didn't help either). Our best form that year appeared with him out of the picture.
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It was a concatenation of last day results that propelled us to a rather flattering ninth, if I remember correctly.
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The problem for him was that he tried to change too much too fast, towards the end of the season (even before his illness) it was starting to come together. If we'd gone with a similar manager for the next season I suspect we'd have finished much higher than we did with TSM and be a better club now for it. I firmly believe that the decision for Randy to fly out and convince McLeish to join us was the act that set us on the path to relegation and where we are now. That was the point where we, as a club, accepted mediocrity as an option and I don't think we've recovered. After finishing 6th 3 times in a row and then having a blip and dropping to 9th after a rough season if we'd gone back up to 6-7th we would, in my opinion, have established ourselves in the same group as Tottenham and Everton as being a few good signings away from breaking through to challenge for the Champions League. Instead we hired a loser who had just relegated a team and let him bring in a 35 year old on a 5 year deal and a pot plant as this main outlays.
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I didn't see much coming together being beaten at home to the Dingles in March or beaten away at the Stripey Filth under his underling in April.
Houllier's time has a wistful meaning for some. It was poor in reality, just nowhere near as poor as it's been since.
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I didn't see much coming together being beaten at home to the Dingles in March or beaten away at the Stripey Filth under his underling in April.
Houllier's time has a wistful meaning for some. It was poor in reality, just nowhere near as poor as it's been since.
Good job, you've picked out the 2 defeats in the last 9 games to suggest the 4 wins and 3 draws weren't an improvement on what we'd seen and ignored the fact that we'd gone from struggling to score in the first half of the season to only having 2 games without scoring in the 2nd half of the season. I'm not remotely wistful about it but I could see that what he was trying to do and I believe would've set us to be a better club in the long run, it would've been hard to fuck things up more completely than we did.
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I was at all the games Paul. We were a poor side in a poor league who only secured safety in April.
Two good games put a nice gloss on an otherwise very disappointing season where we played some thoroughly turgid stuff.
Away at Blackpool is another example. That was in February if it helps.
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I was at all the games Paul. We were a poor side in a poor league who only secured safety in April.
Two good games put a nice gloss on an otherwise very disappointing season where we played some thoroughly turgid stuff.
Away at Blackpool is another example. That was in February if it helps.
Stop using opinion as fact, I went about 20 games that season myself (it's the last season where I was able to go regularly) and we were quite obviously a much better side after the new year, and we looked capable of scoring regularly after looking completely lost for most of the autumn.
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I thought we were all on here giving our opinion?
You mentioned the two we'd lost as if I'd ignored everything, when I saw it all.
We started scoring more regularly because we signed the arch poacher Bent. Although we persisted with Young in behind for far too long, but eventually we got width back with him and Walker and Roland Rat.
I didn't see any particular revolution. That Wolves home game was as bad as anything Bruce or McLiesh or Lambert served up. The Liverpool away drubbing was perhaps as limp as McLiesh's White Hart Lane abomination. And far colder too.
Houllier's days get more misty eyed fondness than they deserve. That's my opinion, for clarity.
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I've said it a million times but getting a semi retirement 60 + guy with health problems massively disappointed me considering we'd just finished sixth three times.
I have to say that's when I first started to think Lerner and the supporting cast weren't all they were cracked up to be when making kety football decisions so even before McLeish was headhunted.
I can understand MON leaving when he did was far from ideal but the guys we were targeting other than Houllier (Curbishley and McClaren) show how limited the football knowledge was.
I look at clubs since who haven't even finished sixth appoint likes of Pochettino, Pellegrini (West Ham) and Marco Silva and those are appointments that would excite me as a fan if we were finishing in that position now.
September 2010 was a key point for us. Make an exciting appointment and maybe Downing and Young might've stayed another year or two.
They both however saw the club was in decline and left and we never recovered from losing so much quality in 12 months.
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I was at all the games Paul. We were a poor side in a poor league who only secured safety in April.
Two good games put a nice gloss on an otherwise very disappointing season where we played some thoroughly turgid stuff.
Away at Blackpool is another example. That was in February if it helps.
Stop using opinion as fact, I went about 20 games that season myself (it's the last season where I was able to go regularly) and we were quite obviously a much better side after the new year, and we looked capable of scoring regularly after looking completely lost for most of the autumn.
I never thought we'd go down as we had too much quality but the Wolves game in March was desperate. They were in the bottom 3 at kick off and they outplayed us.
Here's the post match thread to remind you:
http://www.heroesandvillains.info/forumv3/index.php?topic=42767.0
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I didn't see much coming together being beaten at home to the Dingles in March or beaten away at the Stripey Filth under his underling in April.
Houllier's time has a wistful meaning for some. It was poor in reality, just nowhere near as poor as it's been since.
Why do two defeats mean we were crap yet two later wins get ignored as irrelevant? We finished ninth, which in the context of the time was poor but given the upheaval of the previous August and the injuries we suffered during the season was a lot more credible.
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I was at all the games Paul. We were a poor side in a poor league who only secured safety in April.
Two good games put a nice gloss on an otherwise very disappointing season where we played some thoroughly turgid stuff.
Away at Blackpool is another example. That was in February if it helps.
Stop using opinion as fact, I went about 20 games that season myself (it's the last season where I was able to go regularly) and we were quite obviously a much better side after the new year, and we looked capable of scoring regularly after looking completely lost for most of the autumn.
I never thought we'd go down as we had too much quality but the Wolves game in March was desperate. They were in the bottom 3 at kick off and they outplayed us.
Here's the post match thread to remind you:
http://www.heroesandvillains.info/forumv3/index.php?topic=42767.0
Eesh! That game was a shocker!
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I look back wistfully to Houllier because in my mind it was the last time we seemed pledged to trying to achieve excellence on the pitch. All our managerial appointments since then, to quote Remi Garde, have arrived at Villa Park in an ambulance.
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I didn't see much coming together being beaten at home to the Dingles in March or beaten away at the Stripey Filth under his underling in April.
Houllier's time has a wistful meaning for some. It was poor in reality, just nowhere near as poor as it's been since.
Why do two defeats mean we were crap yet two later wins get ignored as irrelevant? We finished ninth, which in the context of the time was poor but given the upheaval of the previous August and the injuries we suffered during the season was a lot more credible.
Where did I say they didn't count? I said they put a gloss on a season that had been poor.
Securing safety away with a last minute goal at West Ham in April, is to me, poor with the same squad plus Bent that had finished 6th three years on the bounce.
Beating Arsenal and Liverpool in the last two games was a nice finish and that we finished 9th, despite being poor for so much of the season tell a you as much about the league as Houllier and his revolution.
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can we get back on topic here please?
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I didn't see much coming together being beaten at home to the Dingles in March or beaten away at the Stripey Filth under his underling in April.
Houllier's time has a wistful meaning for some. It was poor in reality, just nowhere near as poor as it's been since.
Why do two defeats mean we were crap yet two later wins get ignored as irrelevant? We finished ninth, which in the context of the time was poor but given the upheaval of the previous August and the injuries we suffered during the season was a lot more credible.
Where did I say they didn't count? I said they put a gloss on a season that had been poor.
Securing safety away with a last minute goal at West Ham in April, is to me, poor with the same squad plus Bent that had finished 6th three years on the bounce.
Beating Arsenal and Liverpool in the last two games was a nice finish and that we finished 9th, despite being poor for so much of the season tell a you as much about the league as Houllier and his revolution.
Well, i for one had renewed hope once the final whistle went on the last day. We'd gone from bottom 6 to 9th within a couple of months and had a new striker in Darren Bent averaging more than a goal every 2 games. Obviously as the summer went on hope turned to despair as we appointed McLeish as manager, sold Young and Downing and replaced them with an injury prone loanee Jenas and a (to put it mildly) less than enthusiastic Charles Nzogbia who looked as though he must have had a gun pointed at his head when he signed his contract. We also offloaded a 40 year old Friedel and replaced him with a 35 year old Given on a 3 year deal and a massive salary. This really was the start of our problems.
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To get back on topic I heard JK looked good yesterday I really hope we can hang on to him as losing him and Jack would be a disaster.
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When we beat West Ham in mid April we were 9th. 8 points ahead of bottom place Real Dingleona and 7 above Blackpool who were 3rd bottom.
By the end of the month we were 13th and 6 points clear of Wigan with 3 games to go. It was a very poor league and we played our part in that.
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Is this a Jonathan Kodjia thread?
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obviously not at the moment
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Is this a Jonathan Kodjia thread?
All threads must eventually via spectacularly off topic, head down cul-de-sacs or rake-over old ground. Thems the unwritten forum rules.
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And if you want to talk about Kodjia you could always talk about Kodjia. Sure beats moaning about why others aren't.
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Well, i for one had renewed hope once the final whistle went on the last day. We'd gone from bottom 6 to 9th within a couple of months and had a new striker in Darren Bent averaging more than a goal every 2 games. Obviously as the summer went on hope turned to despair as we appointed McLeish as manager, sold Young and Downing and replaced them with an injury prone loanee Jenas and a (to put it mildly) less than enthusiastic Charles Nzogbia who looked as though he must have had a gun pointed at his head when he signed his contract. We also offloaded a 40 year old Friedel and replaced him with a 35 year old Given on a 3 year deal and a massive salary. This really was the start of our problems.
Worse than that, Given's was a five year contract. I read the bits in his book about his time at Villa in a bookshop while waiting for a train home a few months back. Had a couple of good stories about his time at Villa and was pretty respectful to us - if memory serves though, he mentioned Liverpool coming in for him at some stage - may have been even after Guzan had replaced him as Villa's number one, but we wouldn't sell him and he felt hard done by as he had done previously in his career when Newcastle wouldn't let him move to Arsenal.
Back to Kodjia - encouraging that he looked bright yesterday. Hopefully he'll either hit the ground running and be banging them in for us this season or we manage to sell him for good money. I'd rather keep Chester before Jimmy Danger if it came down to either/or.
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Pointless selling Kodjia for FFP balancing.
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No more than Chester for £5m/£7m.
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We have to raise £40 million.
Realistically, all 3 need to be sold.
I'm expecting all 3 to go and anything else will be a bonus to me.
I felt the same when we were relegated about certain players. The difference then was that we had a war chest in order to bring in replacements.
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It's closer to £30m than £40m isn't it following £8.5m going off the books with Terry, Grabban, Snoddy, Johnstone and Gabby departing.
If Jack goes then it will be £20m plus, so you'd hope we could keep hold of 2 out of 3 if possible, especially as their sales wont make a dent on FFP anyway.
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It’s not just FFP but cash flow, which is still obviously in poor shape.
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I don't understand how their sales won't make a dent?
If Kodjia goes for 10 mil then surely that's a10 mil dent into FFP? Likewise with Chester for 7 mil.
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We signed him for £12m so you take into account purchase price and amortization when considering your loss or gain for FFP.
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FFP is an FA/EPL money making machine. Restraint of trade bollocks. If you’ve got it and want to spend it, why not? Bournemouth really heavily punished with a crap fine!
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So we can get within the parameters but it won't count?
Surely it's the overall figure not each individual figure broken down?
Besides who is to argue that the deficit isn't the equivalent of a loan fee?
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Take McCormack
Signed for £12m over 4years.
His book value will be £6m, so if we sold him for £4 (which is about as good as we could possibly hope) we'd make a loss and add to the FFP deficit, before wages.
His wages would save us £2m p/a but we'd end up like subsidising a million a year. So the deal would be just about, breaking even for FFP.
Best players to sell are home grown with no acquisition costs or players with low acquisition costs like Angela, Hourihane and Thor who were circa a £3m, £1.5m and £2m.
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Based on the previous 2 years, we are projected to be foul of FFP by£45 million.
If we sold RM for £4 million, that is £4 million off the £45 million. It doesn't matter what we paid for him. If we have to pay half of his wages (£2 million over 2 years) it would still mean another million chalked off the overall £45 million target for this year. Next year wouldn't be as difficult because the first years spending would fall out of the 3 year cycle.
Selling any player helps us at this particular time, irrelevant to what we originally paid for him.
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No it wouldn't, as his value is currently £6m on the book so we would make a £2m loss on his disposal at an optimistic £4m before wages. Wages count as well, but nobody is going to pay £40k per week to McCormack, so we'd end up subsidisng at least half.
We've made savings in wages of £8.5m at least. If you were looking for 3 to sell it would be Jack, Davis and Green as you'd take in £30m plus for all 3 and be left at the lower end of a scaled fine.
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Take McCormack
Signed for £12m over 4years.
His book value will be £6m, so if we sold him for £4 (which is about as good as we could possibly hope) we'd make a loss and add to the FFP deficit, before wages.
His wages would save us £2m p/a but we'd end up like subsidising a million a year. So the deal would be just about, breaking even for FFP.
Best players to sell are home grown with no acquisition costs or players with low acquisition costs like Angela, Hourihane and Thor who were circa a £3m, £1.5m and £2m.
There's no way we'd get £4m for him. If there's thing that should have been crsytal clear over the last few years is that bomb squadding somebody effectively wipes out any hope of selling them at all. Bruce needs to suck it up, get McCormack fit and at least try to showcase him a bit. Everything you say is correct, but while he's here, he's costing us £3m a year in amortisaton, and probably the same again in wages.
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We'd be lucky to get £4 and a Skittles grab bag for him.
He's an absolute drain and it's pointless to sell him this state as it makes things worse. If Jack is going, play Fat Lad in Jack's spot, only more advanced. Nowt else we can do.
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You can't build in losses to signed players without applying the same policy to home grown. Otherwise you could argue that the value of Grealish is an asset and this asset should be offset against losses
As i said previously, we would not lose on RM because the deficit would cover the benefit we had by him being here for 2 years.
Otherwise, you could argue that we lost £2 million on Snodgrass (or whatever his loan fee was)
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No, that's not how it works. There's no acquisition cost to amortize over a length of a contract for Jack. McCormack is worth £6m on the book because we bought him for £12m and gave him 4 years.
You have to account for the disposal of an asset and that's disposal against his value. £4m purchase (and that's highly unlikely) of him buy another club adds £2m extra onto the FFP deficit before wages. £8m sale would be £2m knocked off before wages.
In reality there's no way of getting McCormack out without making a significant loss and adding to FFP. So get him counselling, get him fit and play him.
Worst case scenario he's shite and we're no worse off. Best case, he scores 10 goals and sets John Boy up for a few while he's at it.
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No, that's not how it works. There's no acquisition cost to amortize over a length of a contract for Jack. McCormack is worth £6m on the book because we bought him for £12m and gave him 4 years.
You have to account for the disposal of an asset and that's disposal against his value. £4m purchase (and that's highly unlikely) of him buy another club adds £2m extra onto the FFP deficit before wages. £8m sale would be £2m knocked off before wages.
In reality there's no way of getting McCormack out without making a significant loss and adding to FFP. So get him counselling, get him fit and play him.
Worst case scenario he's shite and we're no worse off. Best case, he scores 10 goals and sets John Boy up for a few while he's at it.
I can't really understand why FFP goes into that kind of detail really. All I've ever heard is that the wage bill has to be a certain percentage of the turnover and that seems simple enough really. What happens with FFP if a player is bought for a considerable amount of money, gets a serious injury and isn't the same player again. Do the club get punished for selling him for a smaller fee?
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It doesn't seem like FFP at all.
You can burn whatever you want on a loan fee but are punished if you try to put your house in order by selling a player for less than you paid for him. If correct (and Ass seems pretty sure) then there is indeed no incentive to sell anyone we bought under RDM other than a physical saving in wages. In terms of FFP, we're better off not selling
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Loan fees and wages count towards FFP as well. There's no need to take account of any disposal or amortization as the loan is usually 12 months or less.
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What a great word "amortization" is!
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I yearn for the days when following the machinations of your club didn't involve any knowledge of accountancy or business administration.
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Sorry to go OT again on this thread but did we get that 8m for Amavi in the end or did we sell off that fee sometime in the season like we did with Veretout and Westwood?
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Ads, did you forget about the £1 million bonus scumbag McCormack gets if we are promoted (that was the only consolation of not getting promoted)!
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What a great word "amortization" is!
It's significantly worse than 'amortisation'! #englishnotamerican!!!
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meanwhile. back on the Kodjia thread...
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meanwhile. back on the Kodjia thread...
We haven't detracted from the Kodjia thread. We've been discussing the ability, merits and pitfalls in selling JK during this transfer window.
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Only a derangely devised scheme called FFP would mean you are better off keeping the likes of McCaramac whilst losing all of the home grown future Crown Jewels of the club. What a joke it is.
In addition, there are up to 12 clubs already falling foul of this and so far, to our knowledge at least fcuk all has happened to them. The only rumour we have heard is the Blues embargo one that Monk seems confident will be sorted.
FFP would be better served looking at a cap on transfer spending as well as wages. It will never happen of course.
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I wish those clubs would challenge it. Fucking ridiculous to stop clubs from trading.
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There effectively is a cap of transfer spending as it's a cap on losses, including transfer spending (via amortisation), wages, tea and biscuits, grass seed, everything*!!
*Except some bits to do with the youth team but someone who's looked in to it much more than I have will know the specifics on that.
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Basically you're not allowed to spend and upset the cartel of clubs that have been milking the Misnomer League for the best part of two decades.
Man City did and now they have exposure and access to the competition they've been able to build a commercial income to sustain it, the horrible lot. The result of this means one of the established will be pushed out and worse still...another club might try this. Maybe more than one club.
So the drawbridge has been closed. Competition is dead. It's the antithesis of the two pillars of European free market law; it's pro-cartel and it's restrictive of competition.
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Basically you're not allowed to spend and upset the cartel of clubs that have been milking the Misnomer League for the best part of two decades.
Man City did and now they have exposure and access to the competition they've been able to build a commercial income to sustain it, the horrible lot. The result of this means one of the established will be pushed out and worse still...another club might try this. Maybe more than one club.
So the drawbridge has been closed. Competition is dead. It's the antithesis of the two pillars of European free market law; it's pro-cartel and it's restrictive of competition.
It only sucks if it's you and it's us. Fuck sticks.
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Basically you're not allowed to spend and upset the cartel of clubs that have been milking the Misnomer League for the best part of two decades.
Man City did and now they have exposure and access to the competition they've been able to build a commercial income to sustain it, the horrible lot. The result of this means one of the established will be pushed out and worse still...another club might try this. Maybe more than one club.
So the drawbridge has been closed. Competition is dead. It's the antithesis of the two pillars of European free market law; it's pro-cartel and it's restrictive of competition.
It only sucks if it's you and it's us. Fuck sticks.
I do wonder why no-one has taken this to the EU courts, and what would happen if they did.
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Probably get told to do a Burnley.
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I do wonder why no-one has taken this to the EU courts, and what would happen if they did.
So in all seriousness why not, before we finally pull the trigger putting the hole in our own foot and leave the EU, why can't a club or indeed anyone contest the restrictive trade laws?
We seem to have enough accountancy/law folk on here. Is there a simple answer?
(And again as FFP drips into every decision including who we sell it's relevant to the Kodj, but happy if someone wants to Mod this into its own thread)
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I yearn for the days when following the machinations of your club didn't involve any knowledge of accountancy or business administration.
Yep!! I still don't really understand how amortisation can be judged when the assets are sports players. There are so many reasons beyond the control of a club why a player's value might drop (injury, loss of form, player might not settle in the area) that it seems strange that this would even be taken into account.
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The idea of FFP is sound, whether it's executed correctly is another matter. As i've said before, from 2008-20013 a quick Google and 20 clubs from the Conference North/South level upwards went into administration, 12 were league clubs, since 2013 i'm not sure any have. So something is working somewhere.
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Basically you're not allowed to spend and upset the cartel of clubs that have been milking the Misnomer League for the best part of two decades.
Man City did and now they have exposure and access to the competition they've been able to build a commercial income to sustain it, the horrible lot. The result of this means one of the established will be pushed out and worse still...another club might try this. Maybe more than one club.
So the drawbridge has been closed. Competition is dead. It's the antithesis of the two pillars of European free market law; it's pro-cartel and it's restrictive of competition.
It only sucks if it's you and it's us. Fuck sticks.
I do wonder why no-one has taken this to the EU courts, and what would happen if they did.
They have, see also QPR.
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The idea of FFP is sound, whether it's executed correctly is another matter. As i've said before, from 2008-20013 a quick Google and 20 clubs from the Conference North/South level upwards went into administration, 12 were league clubs, since 2013 i'm not sure any have. So something is working somewhere.
I might have this completely wrong PWS, but wouldn't a system where clubs could only spend a percentage of their turnover on player's wages suffice?
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Ah yes, thanks...
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/10/24/qpr-ordered-pay-world-record-40million-ffp-fine-losing-three/
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Surely it's depreciation anyway, as our Ross is very tangible indeed, the salad-dodging waster.
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He's a hefty piece of plant, property and equipment alright.
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Are we not better to try and show some effort in trying to meet FFP and accept a fine, rather than selling anything that moves and still failing to comply.
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He's a hefty piece of plant, property and equipment alright.
Are you trying to suggest he's a massive tool?!
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The idea of FFP is sound, whether it's executed correctly is another matter. As i've said before, from 2008-20013 a quick Google and 20 clubs from the Conference North/South level upwards went into administration, 12 were league clubs, since 2013 i'm not sure any have. So something is working somewhere.
Are you a time traveller? If so please tell me we have won the FA cup at least once in those 18005 years?
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The idea of FFP is sound, whether it's executed correctly is another matter. As i've said before, from 2008-20013 a quick Google and 20 clubs from the Conference North/South level upwards went into administration, 12 were league clubs, since 2013 i'm not sure any have. So something is working somewhere.
Are you a time traveller? If so please tell me we have won the FA cup at least once in those 18005 years?
He's been to the year 3,000. Not much has changed but we live underwater.
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The idea of FFP is sound, whether it's executed correctly is another matter. As i've said before, from 2008-20013 a quick Google and 20 clubs from the Conference North/South level upwards went into administration, 12 were league clubs, since 2013 i'm not sure any have. So something is working somewhere.
Are you a time traveller? If so please tell me we have won the FA cup at least once in those 18005 years?
He's been to the year 3,000. Not much has changed but we live underwater.
if we do we would still be out of our league :)
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The idea of FFP is sound, whether it's executed correctly is another matter. As i've said before, from 2008-20013 a quick Google and 20 clubs from the Conference North/South level upwards went into administration, 12 were league clubs, since 2013 i'm not sure any have. So something is working somewhere.
Are you a time traveller? If so please tell me we have won the FA cup at least once in those 18005 years?
He's been to the year 3,000. Not much has changed but we live underwater.
So we lower the pitch three feet and now there's going to be a flood? Bloody typical lack of long-term planning.
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I regret to say that in the future our hover cyborgs are much older models than everyone else's.
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Quoting Busted is an offence akin to any of Xia's atrocities!
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Just watching the West ham highlights
His movement in behind was decent but his hold up play really was terrible, even with balls into feet
The 352 means we can play someone else alongside him to provide that role. But it's only really the out of form Davis, or perhaps RHM to a lesser degree, who offers it
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Just watching the West ham highlights
His movement in behind was decent but his hold up play really was terrible, even with balls into feet
The 352 means we can play someone else alongside him to provide that role. But it's only really the out of form Davis, or perhaps RHM to a lesser degree, who offers it
We only need someone doing that if we're playing deep. Get higher up the pitch and we could have Green playing off him and Grealish looking to join them. Add some attacking intent from the wing backs and another midfielder and the hold up role becomes 1 touch rather than the 3-4 touches and a battle that has been so common in the last couple of years. As I've said a few times we have players like Kodjia, Green, Grealish, Adomah and Hourihane who can hurt teams so lets concentrate on getting them up the pitch and doing that rather than worrying about them all the time. The key to doing that is to add pace in the defence so they aren't so easily isolated.
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The idea of FFP is sound, whether it's executed correctly is another matter. As i've said before, from 2008-20013 a quick Google and 20 clubs from the Conference North/South level upwards went into administration, 12 were league clubs, since 2013 i'm not sure any have. So something is working somewhere.
Are you a time traveller? If so please tell me we have won the FA cup at least once in those 18005 years?
He's been to the year 3,000. Not much has changed but we live underwater.
His great-great-great granddaughter is pretty fine, apparently.
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The idea of FFP is sound, whether it's executed correctly is another matter. As i've said before, from 2008-20013 a quick Google and 20 clubs from the Conference North/South level upwards went into administration, 12 were league clubs, since 2013 i'm not sure any have. So something is working somewhere.
Are you a time traveller? If so please tell me we have won the FA cup at least once in those 18005 years?
He's been to the year 3,000. Not much has changed but we live underwater.
if we do we would still be out of our league :)
Will there be 20000 Leagues Under the Sea?
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The idea of FFP is sound, whether it's executed correctly is another matter. As i've said before, from 2008-20013 a quick Google and 20 clubs from the Conference North/South level upwards went into administration, 12 were league clubs, since 2013 i'm not sure any have. So something is working somewhere.
Are you a time traveller? If so please tell me we have won the FA cup at least once in those 18005 years?
“We can’t compete with the Galactic ZX Megatrons of this galaxy”
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true but e can smoke the ZS models . Dive, my Hawkmen, dive!!
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Just watching the West ham highlights
His movement in behind was decent but his hold up play really was terrible, even with balls into feet
The 352 means we can play someone else alongside him to provide that role. But it's only really the out of form Davis, or perhaps RHM to a lesser degree, who offers it
We only need someone doing that if we're playing deep. Get higher up the pitch and we could have Green playing off him and Grealish looking to join them. Add some attacking intent from the wing backs and another midfielder and the hold up role becomes 1 touch rather than the 3-4 touches and a battle that has been so common in the last couple of years. As I've said a few times we have players like Kodjia, Green, Grealish, Adomah and Hourihane who can hurt teams so lets concentrate on getting them up the pitch and doing that rather than worrying about them all the time. The key to doing that is to add pace in the defence so they aren't so easily isolated.
Even good attacking teams need someone up front that they can rely on to keep the ball when it's played into them, even just on the deck
Kodjia is an immensely frustrating player a lot of the time
With his ability, he'd have been a top flight player years ago if he was more reliable
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He’s injured again.
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I'm now getting very concerned for the guy's career.
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So Hogan, RHM, Davis and Kodjia all injured? Are we really that unlucky or is Bruce being clever and trying to persuade the owners that we are desperate for a striker. We ARE desperate!!
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He looked completely uninterested when he came on as sub for the last few games of the season.
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He's probably off then but we can't let him go until we get someone in perhaps. Maybe that's the real reason he hasn't played today. Simon Jordan said he knew of managers who want to sign him.
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Leeds in for Bamford apparently. So Davis is our only fit forward at the moment?
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Davis is injured as well isn't he?
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Must have missed that - we're in the shit then
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Even the new young lad ( forget his name ) is injured. We may have to resign Samba for next week.
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at this rate every draw is going to seem like a victory
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Luckily for us Nibbs looks ok and Green can easily play up top if needed
I can't imagine Bruce isn't already trying to bring in a striker on loan anyway. Even before Kodj got injured again
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What is the maximum number of loan players that we can have in a season?
Would selling Kodjia be such a loss to the team?
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Maybe his injury is slight and he’s rested so he’s ready for Monday week.
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If we could get most of our money back on him I wouldn't be too sorry to see him go, when he is fit he does seem to spend a lot of the game pretending to be injured whenever anybody touches him.
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Taxi sent for Gabby
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Apparently Kodjia has a slight injury and didn't travel according to the B'ham Mail...
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What is the maximum number of loan players that we can have in a season?
Would selling Kodjia be such a loss to the team?
Can have up to 8 players in squad signed on loan
5 loan players permitted to be in the team on the pitch at anytime.
Can sign on loan up to 4 from any one parent/specific club in squad .
However can not have more than 2 players on loan over 23 years old when signing from one specific /parent club .
Loans can sign up to 31st August
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Bruce said he should play next week
Tho I'm sure we had a bit of that last season and it didn't come true
I share others concerns about Kodjia tho
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picking up an injury and withdrawing from the last pre-season kick-about is usually a euphemism for being sold. In Kodjia's case, it probably means the ankle injury still hasn't fully cleared up which is very distressing - the guy was the dog's nuts - despite his selfishness at times - in his first season with us.
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Or it means he's injured and will be fit for Hull, like the manager suggested.
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He took a whack in the friendly before last, I assume this I the knock.
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picking up an injury and withdrawing from the last pre-season kick-about is usually a euphemism for being sold
Except that it never happens.
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that may or may not be true - but I actually said it was because he was injured.
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Sadly I think he's done a Bent/Kozak and that the injury has done for him. Really hope i'm wrong but he just hasn't looked even close to being the player he was.
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Sadly I think he's done a Bent/Kozak and that the injury has done for him. Really hope i'm wrong but he just hasn't looked even close to being the player he was.
Unfortunately I think you're right. He's hasn't looked anywhere near as sharp, and he seems to always be picking up knocks now.
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What is the maximum number of loan players that we can have in a season?
Would selling Kodjia be such a loss to the team?
Can have up to 8 players in squad signed on loan
5 loan players permitted to be in the team on the pitch at anytime.
Can sign on loan up to 4 from any one parent/specific club in squad .
However can not have more than 2 players on loan over 23 years old when signing from one specific /parent club .
Loans can sign up to 31st August
Bloody hell, no wonder we were sometimes confused at selections last year with all that to bear in mind....even have to check who’s on pitch when puttingvsuns on to see if we were still compliant
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Sadly I think he's done a Bent/Kozak and that the injury has done for him. Really hope i'm wrong but he just hasn't looked even close to being the player he was.
Unfortunately I think you're right. He's hasn't looked anywhere near as sharp, and he seems to always be picking up knocks now.
Quite often when a player has the sort of injuries he had they need a run of games to finish their recovery. Delph is a great example, he looked awful for about 18 months because he just couldn't get match fit. Whether they properly make it back all depends on their determination to succeed after that. I suspect Kodjia will struggle for 5-6 games at the start of the season but what happens after that is the point where we can see if he is 'done for'. If he breaks down again or he 'hides' then we'll have to look at how to replace him, but I hope he'll step it up and be the player we saw 18 months ago.
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It always used to take benteke ages to get back from a bad injury
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Boro are set to make a bid for Jonathan Kodjia . That's interesting I reading. Villa would need two strikers if letting him go would need adequate replacements
So vs hull
Was he somewhat disinterested)?
Didn't find him performing and was lucky to be there for so long in pitch time.
From handballs to lack of hold up and the usual greed to not pass to elmo his play all round was lacking
Bruce said after that Kodija getting back into things playing wise after a long day off.
It's a tricky one though as JK needs a goal and some form but he playing without
I certainly would hope have some more striker options in as can't seem reliable to be effective at this moment .
That said he's a very capable player so hope he turns around and keeps working hard.
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I watched Kodjia against hull and was reminded that even in his first season, we just couldn't make the ball stick up front - especially away from home
Then I watched grabban play for forest and repeatedly offer a target for his midfield and keep the ball. Proving that it's a crucial role even when you're playing the ball on the deck
Even if Kodjia gets back to his best he's still going to be unreliable in doing that and he's still going to do stupid things like try and beat his man rather than play elmo in for a one on one
Getting someone in who can lead the line will be crucial for is this season, unless Davis can rediscover his form and learn to score goals
Quite how we spent nearly £40m on strikers, none of whom can play with their back to goal, is absolutely ridiculous
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buying Kodjia wasn't ridiculous, buying Hogan and McCormack was.
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I agree
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buying Kodjia wasn't ridiculous, buying Hogan and McCormack was.
Exactly. Kodj did score 19 in his first season. Hogan and that other joker won't score 19 between them.
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buying Kodjia wasn't ridiculous, buying Hogan and McCormack was.
Exactly. Kodj did score 19 in his first season. Hogan and that other joker won't score 19 between them.
I well remember the howls of protest when we signed McCormack and Hogan. It was brutal
Back to Kodjia, i agree. But he's broke.
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To persist with Kodija up front again
In front of her crowd and support hopefully gets off mark.
I would like to either see Green or RHM given a go today v wigan but feel that what will happen is JK will start.
That's ok as he has to get into things ans build up sharpness but do find him ineffective and really hope turns that round
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Kodjia really needs a goal today. If he gets one, it could work wonders. Fingers crossed!
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Poor again
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He’s not a centre forward. He’s an inside forward cutting in. He looks entirely lost out there, and part of me wonders even if he was playing in what is his best position, if he’s not just fucked now. What a massive shame that would be.
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A lot of his goals have come for us when he's the only striker on the pitch for us. It used to work because he'd often create it himself. I hope it's just form and confidence but as i've said before I think he's done a Bent which is a real shame.
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We need a loan striker ASAP, and Kodjia needs dropping and gradually reintroducing as a sub. He's a million miles away from being good enough at the moment.
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Injuries have played a part here, he's had two bad ones in the last year.
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Should have scored at least once today. Looks like injuries have done for him
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He was getting in the right positions, won a few free kick and should have scored a couple perhaps.
I think he’s on his way back, just needs a goal. He’s never looked up for passes so no change there.
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We need a loan striker ASAP, and Kodjia needs dropping and gradually reintroducing as a sub. He's a million miles away from being good enough at the moment.
His infuriating refusal to let someone else have the ball when he's obviously going nowhere with it is monumentally annoying.
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We need a loan striker ASAP, and Kodjia needs dropping and gradually reintroducing as a sub. He's a million miles away from being good enough at the moment.
His infuriating refusal to let someone else have the ball when he's obviously going nowhere with it is monumentally annoying.
He's like that annoying little bastard we all had at school, got the ball and thought he could waltz through seven or eight players then when he had, went back and tried to do it again eventually losing it. Passing not in their vocabulary, selfish feckers.
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Kodjia's greediness always irritated me, even when he was in form. Now he's not he's just a waste of space. His petulance grates too.
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I'm pretty certain well get a striker in
Whether they're good enough who knows
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Kodjia's greediness always irritated me, even when he was in form. Now he's not he's just a waste of space. His petulance grates too.
As far from a vote of confidence as you can get (and I agree). The English language needs a word for the opposite of a ringing endorsement, henceforth I vote we call such a ‘Kodja’
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Think how frustrated he must be though. He’s certainly worthy of criticism, but two years ago he was literally smashing them in for club and country from everywhere. Injuries have done him in coupled now with a rising lack of belief. It can’t be easy to process as a professional.
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Actually I thought the penny seemed to drop for Kodjia in the closing stages of the game. Self awareness of his petulant twattishness seemed to kick in and he pulled himself together. Whether it will be enough to save his sorry arse is debatable.
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For anybody at the game today:
is he still getting into good positions? making good runs? or is he more or less a passenger now?
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Basically danno he is being a drama queen. No sexism intended.
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I think Paul_e is right - he needs a run of games (five starts in a row at least) to give him a fair crack at it. He might yet get that between now and the end of the month but I think we'll definitely get someone in up-front before September.
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I suppose at the moment Bruce has to indulge the histrionics, Grabban is gone and he's not going to swap him out for Fat Ross or Hogan.
I agree with whoever mentioned that after having spent £30m its mental we still need a striker
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I suppose at the moment Bruce has to indulge the histrionics, Grabban is gone and he's not going to swap him out for Fat Ross or Hogan.
I agree with whoever mentioned that after having spent £30m its mental we still need a striker
It's more than £30m isn't it if you add up Kodjia, Hogan and McCormack?
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I suppose at the moment Bruce has to indulge the histrionics, Grabban is gone and he's not going to swap him out for Fat Ross or Hogan.
I agree with whoever mentioned that after having spent £30m its mental we still need a striker
It's more than £30m isn't it if you add up Kodjia, Hogan and McCormack?
aye it probably is I lazily had a figure in my head of about £10m for each of them.
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Kodjia is lazy, selfish and useless at holding the ball up. His attempt at jumping every time the goalkeeper or anyone passes it long to him is comical. He's been poor for months on end and needs a good kick up the arse.
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I am seriously concerned that he is crocked, I look at The way he moves and it’s somehow not right.
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I think a lot of the criticism is pretty harsh. He's selfish, we all know that and right now he's desperate for a goal so there's no great shock in the fact that he's being more selfish than usual. However he's getting into the box and getting shots away, whilst we've got goals coming from elsewhere we can afford to give him some time to see if he can start converting them.
For me he can play in the next 4 (including Yeovil) and we'll still have a week to look for a loanee if it's not working out. Hogan has been given much more time and has far less credit in the bank and RHM getting 20-25 minute cameos is probably the right call for now. By the end of the month I think we'll have a better idea of who's available anyway, Liverpool, for example, have Origi and Solanki who are unlikely to get much game time so 1 or both might be an option.
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Basically danno he is being a drama queen. No sexism intended.
Sorry, Brian but they will put you in for sensitivity training and reorientation. I have been sent to several of these wretched, Orwellian things, but none of the so called mentors understand dialectical materialism, and so thy are easy meat. I recommend that you study Friedrich Engels' magnificent opus The Dialectics of Nature.
Even my dog, Frabbo, a German Shepherd imported at great cost to myself from rural Kansas, USA, has a better grasp of reality than these dolts.
Nonetheless, I agree with the essence of your argument.
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Thought he was a bit better second half, he has always been greedy but when there is no end result it stands out more. Regardless we need a striker brought in, as I do not think we will see Hogan till gone Christmas, how Bruce was talking the other day and Davis is probably at least a month away from a return.
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Thanks for the mentoring adrena. I allowed my age, lack of education, guttersnipe childhood and a family environment of alternating Methodism and corrective beatings to get carried away and use the word "drama" perjoratively.
Some of my best friends are actors.
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I feel the criticism is a bit harsh though agree he can be such a wet lettuce at times. In the second half yesterday though we started giving him the service he needs channels and into feet and we and he improved as a result. He got in good positions and he just needs one to go in and I think he’ll be off and running. Patience required I think for a man coming back from such a serious injury.
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I only caught the (very limited) highlights last night, so I'm not in really in a position to give my opinion on Kodjia's contribution to our somewhat streaky victory. That said, I've been struggling to to find any positive reports about him from those who were in attendance yesterday: so I can only conclude that nothing's changed since his abysmal performance at Hull. I realise that the serious injury he suffered is bound to take a protracted period of competitive football in order to make a full recovery, but it's a big concern to witness & hear that he's a mere shadow of the player we previously had. I'm pretty sure Bruce will persevere with him over the next few games, but I'd be astonished if the club aren't currently pulling out all the stops to bring in an additional striker - particularly with lack of fit alternatives that we currently have available. I sincerely hope I'm wrong, but I've got a horrible feeling that Kodjia is never going to be the player that he was shaping up to be. I guess time (and a lot of hard work) will tell...
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Sadly I agree. The old Kodjia would have scored twice yesterday.
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He needs a goal.
It’s as simple as that.
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He was trying too hard at times yesterday. You can tell he desperately want's to score but he had chances to lay the ball off but tried to go for glory instead. Once he get's one though, he'll be fine hopefully.
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at least he got us the corner for the second goal.
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He was trying too hard at times yesterday. You can tell he desperately want's to score but he had chances to lay the ball off but tried to go for glory instead. Once he get's one though, he'll be fine hopefully.
I do hope you're right - as a fully fit & firing JK would be just the ticket.
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Bruce said it can take a fair time to regain proper fitness after such a bad injury. Once he scores, his confidence will increase. He'll be back I'm convinced.
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The serious injury he sustained that derailed his own career and our push for automatic promotion last season was brought about by his own stupidity in ignoring the Villa medical team and playing in the ACON. I have no sympathy for him whatsoever.
As for giving him time, as I never tire of saying, in football time is a luxury nobody can afford. Give players all the time they would like to play at the level you are entitled to expect for what you pay them and you get left behind.
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As covered many times above the issue is that when he plays he actively deprives other attackers of chances to score. A greedy striker who isn’t scoring is a luxury no team can afford.
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The serious injury he sustained that derailed his own career and our push for automatic promotion last season was brought about by his own stupidity in ignoring the Villa medical team and playing in the ACON. I have no sympathy for him whatsoever.
You've said this before Brian but he had no choice. If you get called up by your country, you have to go. Besides, he was fit when he went.
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He needs a goal.
It’s as simple as that.
No a kick up the backside - I did actually feel for him yesterday as it appeared he had no idea as to the role he was sent out to play.
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I can forgive lack of form and confidence, however Kodjia’s body language is atrocious. He looks lazy and disinterested much of the time and doesn’t even break into a jog when he could be pressing.
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The petulance really annoyed me yesterday. A bit less flapping his arms around like a 5 year old wouldn't go amiss.
A couple of times in the first half it looked like he could barely be bothered to move.
I know there's a way better player in there than that and I really hope the coaching staff can do what they need to do to get it back.
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I can forgive lack of form and confidence, however Kodjia’s body language is atrocious. He looks lazy and disinterested much of the time and doesn’t even break into a jog when he could be pressing.
Totally agree, he needs to see a psychologist, nothing to do with football or fitness, attitude totally wrong!
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I don't think he has ever had great body language. For me he has always been about individual skill.
The best player on the playground who never passes. His team contribution has always been limited
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which was ok when he was scoring for fun. But the jokes on us when he doesn't score at all. Needs binning.
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which was ok when he was scoring for fun. But the jokes on us when he doesn't score at all. Needs binning.
This is harsh. We’re two games into the new season. Let’s give him 10 games at least first.
He’s been out a long time and will grow in confidence when he gets of the mark.
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I get that, and the horrible injuries - but it's around ten months since he last scored in a competitive game. And that was a penalty.
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which was ok when he was scoring for fun. But the jokes on us when he doesn't score at all. Needs binning.
This is harsh. We’re two games into the new season. Let’s give him 10 games at least first.
That's right, yes. As long as we then bin him.
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I don’t think it helps any of our strikers with the hoof ball setup. Davis is the only player suited to that and he’ll be way down Bruce’s pecking order now.
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There's no doubt that the club will be working hard on bringing in a couple of strikers and defenders. Weak links yesterday were Jedinak and Kodja which is a big part of the spine of the team. No chance of promotion without a solid spine.
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I don’t think it helps any of our strikers with the hoof ball setup. Davis is the only player suited to that and he’ll be way down Bruce’s pecking order now.
It wasn't hoofball when Mcginn put the ball perfectly on to Kodjas head yesterday and he planted it into the Holte under no pressure.
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Suggesting binning a player who scored nearly 40 goals in his first two seasons in english football is a tad daft, especially someone as talented as him.
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Suggesting binning a player who scored nearly 40 goals in his first two seasons in english football is a tad daft, especially someone as talented as him.
How long do you allow players to live off past glories though? McCormack has probably got more goals in the Championship than any other player still playing, but he has effectively been binned off.
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I'd give him a bit longer than two games into a new season, especially now he's had a pre-season behind him.
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I think he needs a goal. He looks like he has zero confidence and he's getting frustrated he can't score which is couterproductive for him. The way he stays down after the misses and looks bemused isn't him not caring, just not seeing the way out of his slump.
The second header at the Holte end, which just went wide, could just as easy have gone in. I think when one does he'll start being the player we expect. I'd stick with him for now.
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Suggesting binning a player who scored nearly 40 goals in his first two seasons in english football is a tad daft, especially someone as talented as him.
How long do you allow players to live off past glories though? McCormack has probably got more goals in the Championship than any other player still playing, but he has effectively been binned off.
McCormack was binned off because he obviously had a big row Bruce, possibly over who got to go first in lunch queue.
Kodja not scoring in his first two games since season ending injuries doesn’t compare.
I agree it’s a little worrying that he appears to have lost something, but we have to persevere for a bit. His goals kept us in the league during that dismal opening campaign in this league.
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I would probably start him against Yeovil and then give RHM some more game time, either in place of him or alongside him - depending on how it's going.
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In the system we want to play - with McGinn and Grealish providing through balls - we need a striker with pace who makes runs. Kodjia doesn't do that, so he needs dropping. Hepburn-Murphy would be a much better fit.
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In the system we want to play - with McGinn and Grealish providing through balls - we need a striker with pace who makes runs. Kodjia doesn't do that, so he needs dropping. Hepburn-Murphy would be a much better fit.
and a certain Scot Hogan.
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In the system we want to play - with McGinn and Grealish providing through balls - we need a striker with pace who makes runs. Kodjia doesn't do that, so he needs dropping. Hepburn-Murphy would be a much better fit.
and a certain Scot Hogan.
Pace?
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I'd give him a bit longer than two games into a new season, especially now he's had a pre-season behind him.
That's the worry though for me. He had the back end of last season, about a dozen games from the end of March onwards, has had a full pre-season, but looks absolutely no better than he did on his first match back. He's contributed next to nothing in either of the first two matches, and doesn't even look particularly interested in my opinion. Big worry, as sooner or later the goals from defence and midfield will dry up when we play somebody decent.
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From the highlights I thought he actually looked more involved than at hull
Could have had a hat trick but for some poor finishing and a bit of bad luck - and one thing we know he can do is finish so that should come
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I'd give him a bit longer than two games into a new season, especially now he's had a pre-season behind him.
That's the worry though for me. He had the back end of last season, about a dozen games from the end of March onwards, has had a full pre-season, but looks absolutely no better than he did on his first match back. He's contributed next to nothing in either of the first two matches, and doesn't even look particularly interested in my opinion. Big worry, as sooner or later the goals from defence and midfield will dry up when we play somebody decent.
You give him as long as he needs if the alternative is Scott Hogan.
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He looked a bit more like it, yesterday. Still a way off his best and we need another forward to compete. The thought of having to rely on Hogan if Kodjia fails to rediscover his form or gets injured doesn't fill me with confidence.
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Given the right service Hogan will score the goals we need and I think we've the players to deliver this season
I think we can all agree that the service he was getting last season was pretty poor, to say the least
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Given the right service Hogan will score the goals we need and I think we've the players to deliver this season
I think we can all agree that the service he was getting last season was pretty poor, to say the least
Nope, I don't agree at all. In Adomah, Snoddgrass and Grealish we had three very creative players. He's just a poor player who thinks it's OK to stand in the penalty area and wait for the ball on a plate for him. As it is, the goals he did score came from crosses from either Adomah or Snodgrass. A player who averages the appalling number of touches he did last year just isn't very good.
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Given the right service Hogan will score the goals we need and I think we've the players to deliver this season
I think we can all agree that the service he was getting last season was pretty poor, to say the least
Nope, I don't agree at all. In Adomah, Snoddgrass and Grealish we had three very creative players. He's just a poor player who thinks it's OK to stand in the penalty area and wait for the ball on a plate for him. As it is, the goals he did score came from crosses from either Adomah or Snodgrass. A player who averages the appalling number of touches he did last year just isn't very good.
We'll have to agree to disagree on Hogan.
I think he needs a proper run of games, 28 appearances (22 as a sub) is hardly game time. Bruce's hoofball (at times) wouldn't have helped either.
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Lewis Grabban seemed to manage OK.
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I think we need to give JK a bit longer before retiring him.
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If the main alternative to Kodjia is crossing our fingers that Hogan will suddenly start to click despite there being no evidence that we've changed the way we play then I'll back JK all the way. Change the manager and focus on getting players higher up the pitch and taking less touches to move the ball on and Hogan might be worth another look but whilst we have all our creative players slowing things down (and cutting inside) we're not going to create enough chances for him.
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Sadly I agree. The old Kodjia would have scored twice yesterday.
At least he got into the position to score. Butchered both chances mind. The header was a sitter. Bit unlucky with the one he turned on with his left.
Given that Davis and Hogan are injured, he will get another chance v Yeovil. 1 goal in his last 21 appearances isn't quite Shane Long territory but..
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In the system we want to play - with McGinn and Grealish providing through balls - we need a striker with pace who makes runs. Kodjia doesn't do that, so he needs dropping. Hepburn-Murphy would be a much better fit.
and a certain Scot Hogan.
Pace?
He has an effective burst of pace over short distances. Not a lot of use if you pumping long balls up him.
On the general question of pace, I remember a TV interview a few years ago with Alan Hutton which suggested that he was the fastest player at the club over 100 yards according to whatever metrics they we were using at the time, and he laughed it off saying "Nah, that's Gabby".
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In the system we want to play - with McGinn and Grealish providing through balls - we need a striker with pace who makes runs. Kodjia doesn't do that, so he needs dropping. Hepburn-Murphy would be a much better fit.
and a certain Scot Hogan.
Pace?
He has an effective burst of pace over short distances. Not a lot of use if you pumping long balls up him.
On the general question of pace, I remember a TV interview a few years ago with Alan Hutton which suggested that he was the fastest player at the club over 100 yards according to whatever metrics they we were using at the time, and he laughed it off saying "Nah, that's Gabby".
I have not seen him run past any one ever, get to the ball quicker than any one else or display any evidence whatsoever that he has pace.
He is a £12 million waste of space, not his fault but he has now added being injured to his repertoire, what the Fuck was Bruce thinking when he agreed that fee.
A real mystery. 8)
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From the highlights I thought he actually looked more involved than at hull
Could have had a hat trick but for some poor finishing and a bit of bad luck - and one thing we know he can do is finish so that should come
Same here, thought he was crap watching the game but the highlights showed a very different story
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Strikers are all about form and confidence. If he can string together a few games without getting injured, he can probably start firing again. Still looks like there's a good player in there, to me.
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In the system we want to play - with McGinn and Grealish providing through balls - we need a striker with pace who makes runs. Kodjia doesn't do that, so he needs dropping. Hepburn-Murphy would be a much better fit.
and a certain Scot Hogan.
Pace?
Someone on here once described Hogan as "like watching Tyrian Lanister running into battle" bang on that. Still makes me chuckle.
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In the system we want to play - with McGinn and Grealish providing through balls - we need a striker with pace who makes runs. Kodjia doesn't do that, so he needs dropping. Hepburn-Murphy would be a much better fit.
and a certain Scot Hogan.
Pace?
Someone on here once described Hogan as "like watching Tyrian Lanister running into battle" bang on that. Still makes me chuckle.
Haha. Very good.
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In the system we want to play - with McGinn and Grealish providing through balls - we need a striker with pace who makes runs. Kodjia doesn't do that, so he needs dropping. Hepburn-Murphy would be a much better fit.
and a certain Scot Hogan.
Pace?
Someone on here once described Hogan as "like watching Tyrian Lanister running into battle" bang on that. Still makes me chuckle.
Harsh ....
But funny 😁
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Bruce was very complementary towards JK after the match at Ipswich . Saying he's getting sharper and pleased he got the goal.
Was great Jimmy scored and hope he can find the net with a lot more regularity. Took his header well
He does need further support though which hope comes and given the decent service .
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From the highlights he looked way better than I've seen him in ages
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I thought his goal was excellent.
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He's back.
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Brilliant goal
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I said a week or so back that we just needed to give him a run of games and once he got one he'd be better for it, today he's been a lot better than we were seeing, this is a 20+ a season striker now.
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Well done Kodge.
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I can forgive lack of form and confidence, however Kodjia’s body language is atrocious. He looks lazy and disinterested much of the time and doesn’t even break into a jog when he could be pressing.
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Well done Kod.
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which was ok when he was scoring for fun. But the jokes on us when he doesn't score at all. Needs binning.
This is harsh. We’re two games into the new season. Let’s give him 10 games at least first.
That's right, yes. As long as we then bin him.
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Sadly I agree. The old Kodjia would have scored twice yesterday.
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Well done Kodj!!!
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Kodjia is lazy, selfish and useless at holding the ball up. His attempt at jumping every time the goalkeeper or anyone passes it long to him is comical. He's been poor for months on end and needs a good kick up the arse.
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Looking menacing again
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What is the point of bringing up quotes from weeks ago that were accurate at the time? If he has a shit game shall we remind you of it? Just enjoy that he played really well for the first time in 18 months.
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He was excellent tonight. Three in two. He's back.
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Yes JK that is what he's about goals created by himself but also being the jimmy danger he is !
Good to see such class
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What is the point of bringing up quotes from weeks ago that were accurate at the time? If he has a shit game shall we remind you of it? Just enjoy that he played really well for the first time in 18 months.
I don't think it was the 'he's playing crap' quotes, it's most likely the 'he needs binning' ones. People were writing him off two games into the season.
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Shall we quote everyone that is currently raving about McGinn if he has one shit game because as it stands Kod has had 1 good game in 18 months? I, and i'd imagine everyone else, is delighted with him tonight and hope it continues. Seems strange that instead of praising his performance that someone's first thought is to dig up quotes. Personally i'd rather enjoy that Kod looked good again.
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I'd agree with that. I hoped the player he was would com back with a few games and goals under his belt and tonight was very promising (as well as the 2 goals there was an excellent turn and shot just before his first and his positioning to get on the one he hit straight at the keeper was very good, 2 weeks ago he'd have been coming to the front post for that. I think he'll score a bucketload this season, he's never played with Jack whilst fully fit and with McGinn and the new wingers we've now got plenty of pace to support him which will create space.
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If Kod does get firing again on a regular we become a totally different beast, especially if we continue playing like we did tonight.
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He needs a goal.
It’s as simple as that.
I’m not claiming any credit but.........
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If Kod does get firing again on a regular we become a totally different beast, especially if we continue playing like we did tonight.
Play with the same intent as tonight but work on adding some quality (which may happen with the 2 new guys) and a bit more familiarity (which means training them on attacking shape, something I've seen little evidence of since Bruce arrived) and we should be creating more chances for him as well. Our front 4 (whoever is involved match-by-match) should have easily enough about them to score 50+ between them, add in players like Chester and Hourihane popping up with a decent number of goals and something around 2 a game shouldn't be a massive stretch. Get the defence functioning behind that and we'll be there.
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I said a week or so back that we just needed to give him a run of games and once he got one he'd be better for it, today he's been a lot better than we were seeing, this is a 20+ a season striker now.
Yes you did and I was in full agreement. He was very much bit-part for the last stretch of games last season so it was only this month onwards that it was really fair to judge him and he's now coming good, we've just had to show a little patience.
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Delighted he is proving my recent posts to be wrong. Long may it continue, particularly as Bruce willfully handicaps us by playing defensive players out of position.
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I rate that "effort" from Kodjia today right up there with Jordan Ayew at Bristol City a couple of seasons ago.
Bone idle. Absolutely pathetic.
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I rate that "effort" from Kodjia today right up there with Jordan Ayew at Bristol City a couple of seasons ago.
Bone idle. Absolutely pathetic.
I thought he was worse v Rotherham. A disgrace of a professional. We missed a trick not getting rid of him in the summer. Bruce would probably have spent money on another winger mind..
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I missed Rotherham and I had no intention of going today but sentiment got the better of me. Nice to see Jimmy doing his best to dismantle my recent endorsement. i'm sticking with my theory that he's a busted flush and a ghost of the player he was two years ago. He's 29 in a month and hes never getting back to where he was.
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He reminds me a lot of Bent after his injury, never the same again.
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I’m not about to blame any player for poor form with this cock in charge. I’d like to see a plan created an implemented to service our forwards properly before I throw dirt on the likes of Kodjia. Can you imagine what it must be like training during the week changing hoofs up the wing constantly? Fuck Bruce.
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Whilst I totally agree on Bruce, TV, there is no excuse for players not even barely trying.
Yesterday, that reminded me of having Collymore and Milosevic up front. Trotting around like a pair of show ponies, not willing to make runs or put in the hard yards.
They just stand there and expect things to happen whilst expending the minimum amount of effort.
Abraham was just as guilty. Stood still up front with a defender not having to move to mark him. The midfield can't get a ball to him because he's static, then he throws his arms in the air and holds his head.
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I felt bad for Abraham and Kodjia yesterday. They kept making curved runs but rarely did we try and go more direct. The ball was mainly rolled backwards or sideways. As for crosses, well that was worse. We just seemed to slow everything down and let their defense get organised.
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Everytime I looked at Abraham he had his head in his hands
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I watched them closely yesterday, especially Kodjia, and I must have completely missed the continual curved runs he was making.
The only movement I saw from him yesterday was when he was hooked, and even then it seemed all too much effort to trot off quickly seeing as we were losing.
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Crap yesterday from the bits I saw. New manager and a foot up the arse for him please. He's on easy street at the moment.
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I watched them closely yesterday, especially Kodjia, and I must have completely missed the continual curved runs he was making.
The only movement I saw from him yesterday was when he was hooked, and even then it seemed all too much effort to trot off quickly seeing as we were losing.
Both midfields seemed to have a gentleman's agreement not to press or tackle each other yesterday. Countless times Hourihane, McGinn and even Grealish got the ball in space in central areas. But given the sheer lack of movement in front of them they had to check back. The handful of times they rolled it into the feet of the front two, they lost it easily.
The pair of them were a disgrace yesterday. So much so if Davis or Hogan are fit I'd start one of them the next day.
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the trouble is you don't recruit Abraham ( a proven goalscorer) to replace him with a player who isn't one, although his hold up play is very good. I'd rather not say anything about Hogan.
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We have forwards the rest of the division would give up their left nut for. And I would even include McCormack (very proven at this level) and Hogan. And yet this fucking buffoon of a manager has quite incredibly neutered all of them. It has to be harder to do that than actually get them to play to even somewhere close to their ability.
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And our forwards have only scored in 3 of our 11 games so far this season. And if you back to the end of last season, no forwards scored in our last 4 games, including play-offs. It's almost an impressive achievement to have so much talent at your disposal and yet have them being so ineffective.
And another stat, by my reckoning, since Hogan scored against Burton on Feb 3rd, strikers owned by Aston Villa have scored in 3 of the last 30 games in all competitions.
Hogan v Reading last season and Kod v Ipswich and Brentford this season.
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It's literally stunning. No other word for it.
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And our forwards have only scored in 3 of our 11 games so far this season. And if you back to the end of last season, no forwards scored in our last 4 games, including play-offs. It's almost an impressive achievement to have so much talent at your disposal and yet have them being so ineffective.
And another stat, by my reckoning, since Hogan scored against Burton on Feb 3rd, strikers owned by Aston Villa have scored in 3 of the last 30 games in all competitions.
Hogan v Reading last season and Kod v Ipswich and Brentford this season.
That is a remarkable statistic.
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Makes you want to weep
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That's why I don't blame Kodjia. It's just incredible how Bruce has destroyed the attacking intent of this team. Something that seemed to be improving under Agnew but he's killed that too.
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That's why I don't blame Kodjia. It's just incredible how Bruce has destroyed the attacking intent of this team. Something that seemed to be improving under Agnew but he's killed that too.
I think it makes it tough to draw conclusions about any of our attacking players because the whole thing looks so disjointed and has pretty much since he arrived other than a couple of patches where a player or 2 hit a run of form, Kodjia in the first season, Adomah, Grealish and Snodgrass at times last year (and Grabban to an extent as well). This isn't saying the Bruce played no part in those spells but that it's all inconsistent and once the form drops off he seems clueless as to how to resolve it.
It's all so typical of how Bruce works, his only answer is buy players, or if the window is shut to just keep shuffling the team around until he gets a win or 2 and then try to claim that the team/formation he used was the plan all along but he'd just not been able to do it before.
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I really think we need to get Hogan back into the team as soon as possible. As others have said, Kodjia has been crap in the last few games, and he's not the type of player to put a shift-in when he's not playing well. I really think Hogan's movement and work-rate would work well with Abraham, and there's also the potential of a developing a good understanding with McGinn who likes to look for an early forward pass.
I'd be more than happy to ship Kodjia out in January and bring in someone like Nick Powell, whilst making a profit at the same time.
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Surely Powell would cost more? His star is on the ascent. There's question marks over Kodjia and he's a fair bit older.
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Powell's out of contract in the summer, and by all accounts isn't going to sign a new one. Therefore Wigan will need to cash-in in January, or face losing him for nothing in June.
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I'd like us to keep him and see what a new manager does. Same with Hogan. They have both scored goals at this level and can do it again.
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I’ve always felt that Kodjia’s goals come to the overall detriment of the team. By-and-large, for every bit of brilliance there’s an act of selfishness or a wrong decision that potentially costs the team a goal. The team’s that have gone-up in recent years and the ones that have shared the goals around the team, not relied on one prolific scorer. As others have said, Kodjia is now too long in the tooth to drastically change the way that he plays, and I just don’t see that being compatible with a team pushing for promotion.
As an aside I would have hauled him off after he attempted that ‘rabona’ cross against Rotherham the other week, in much the same way that Mancini did when Balotelli tried that pre-season back heel in front of goal. Granted he did produce an assist in that game, but that’s about the only one that I can think of in a Villa shirt…
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Thought he was great in the Brentford game and looked to be warming up nicely for a repeat of 16/17.
Not sure what's happened since.
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Brucey "having a go" at two up top has happened since.
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Brucey "having a go" at two up top has happened since.
Brucey sticking Grealish out on the wing doesn't help either.
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Bruce doesn't help. Kodjia can be majestic in full flow but selfish too.
I read this yesterday....
"Van Nistelrooy: overrated? Man Utd won 3 straight titles before he arrived and straight after he left. In the meantime, just one title in five seasons."
He was undoubtedly a great player but didn't fit the team.
Have we got a similar issue with Kodjia? (barring the obvious bit about actually winning anything).
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He's a real talent, but I don't think Bruce helps him curb his less useful tendencies at all. In attack, Bruce's football has absolutely no structure or plan, the hope being that individual talent will get him through - and you can see how that sort of football doesn't exactly encourage a guy like Kodjia to be more of a team player.
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I'm not for a second suggesting that McCormack is blameless in his own downfall, but I do often wonder how things would have panned-out if he'd had a different strike partner to begin with. How many times did Kodjia ignore him in great positions during those early days under Di Matteo? I reckon even if we'd had a journey-man, David Nugent type striker playing alongside McCormack things would have gone differently for all involved. Well, apart from Kodjia who'd probably be 6th choice striker for Watford or Huddersfield by now.
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He's a real talent, but I don't think Bruce helps him curb his less useful tendencies at all. In attack, Bruce's football has absolutely no structure or plan, the hope being that individual talent will get him through - and you can see how that sort of football doesn't exactly encourage a guy like Kodjia to be more of a team player.
Exactly right, when the attacking play is reliant on moments of individual brilliance it doesn't do much to stop someone who is naturally quite greedy from trying to do it on his own. The Abraham goal against rotherham showed that when he gets quick ball and there are players in space near him he will bring them into play so really we need to focus on creating those situations more regularly.
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Makes you wonder what someone like Thierry Henry could do with him....
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Makes you wonder what someone like Thierry Henry could do with him....
Good point and well made.
An inspirational Manager can get players to run through brick walls - Just look at the footage on Amazon of the Pep documentary. In the middle of 5 a side he stops the game and everyone just listens to what he tells them. Same for in the cinema room
"Put yer boots on" "up and at em" just does not work anymore
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Conversely, you would imagine Bruce would know what he was doing when it came to central defenders.
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Conversely, you would imagine Bruce would know what he was doing when it came to central defenders.
'Get yer head on it' and 'Row Z son' don't do much these days either.
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Well taken header for his goal v Preston .
Has a good leap on him and great to see him being a goal threat.
What's excruciating is that he not being used effectively .
And at times wasn't a 4-5-1 at 0-0 and Kodija seemed to be here the and everywhere .he also was stationed wide at first and I thought here we go again where's this 2 up front ??
Good in some ways but can't tell if that's bruce just saying to him move around or him being his enigamatic self.
The best news is he's scoring goals
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Bruce had clearly told him that being on the wing meant tracking back. He spent way too much time pretty much at right back.
When you looked at the Preston front two, they were hardly ever more than ten yards apart, meaning that they could link up at will. Is it too much to expect us to set up that way?
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Bruce had clearly told him that being on the wing meant tracking back. He spent way too much time pretty much at right back.
When you looked at the Preston front two, they were hardly ever more than ten yards apart, meaning that they could link up at will. Is it too much to expect us to set up that way?
Yes not using him in most effective position especially against a team that had conceded at least 3 goals every time in last 4 matches.
Bruce kidding us when he says 2 up top as that was a perfect opportunity . Far to cautious and Kodija is a talented striker and needs to be used as such.
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Makes you wonder what someone like Thierry Henry could do with him....
Good point and well made.
An inspirational Manager can get players to run through brick walls - Just look at the footage on Amazon of the Pep documentary. In the middle of 5 a side he stops the game and everyone just listens to what he tells them. Same for in the cinema room
"Put yer boots on" "up and at em" just does not work anymore
You're behind the times Hookey….I'll just quote our innovative, progressive manager for you from last night:
"The one thing I've always had is the determination to roll up my sleeves and get stuck in. I'll always have a go."
And it only costs us £2m a year!
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that's the sort of remark you associate with a novice DIY'er laying their first patio. It's not something that a modern football manager should even think of.
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that's the sort of remark you associate with a novice DIY'er laying their first patio. It's not something that a modern football manager should even think of.
Good job we're not talking about a modern football manager then.
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Well taken header for his goal v Preston .
Has a good leap on him and great to see him being a goal threat.
What's excruciating is that he not being used effectively .
And at times wasn't a 4-5-1 at 0-0 and Kodija seemed to be here the and everywhere .he also was stationed wide at first and I thought here we go again where's this 2 up front ??
Good in some ways but can't tell if that's bruce just saying to him move around or him being his enigamatic self.
The best news is he's scoring goals
There was a period in the first half last night when Kodjia and Abraham were playing up front together and were linking up well. Strangely, it meant that Hourihane was playing on the right, but Elmohamady got forward quite well in the first half.
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Kodjia scored the first goal , a lofted finish over the onrushing GK from a long ball by defence .
In the end ivory Coast beat Central African Republic 4-0 win in Africa cup of nation's group qualifier.
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Lots of people think Kodjia will miss out because Smith likes Hogan
But I think there's a pretty obvious role for him wide of a front three. He'd be playing narrower and higher than he had to for Bruce. Though we need a proper overlapping left back to make it work
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Kodjia left Abraham/Hogan centre Bolasie/Adomah right
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Kodjia left Abraham/Hogan centre Bolasie/Adomah right
No cover whatsoever for each of our rubbish left back options then. If we could get 7m or so for Kodjia in Jan we should be letting him go given his age, injuries and abysmal workrate
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well it doesn't leave you many options if you are not going to play those three!
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Kodjia left Abraham/Hogan centre Bolasie/Adomah right
No cover whatsoever for each of our rubbish left back options then. If we could get 7m or so for Kodjia in Jan we should be letting him go given his age, injuries and abysmal workrate
Man gets goals.
Are we hopeful smithy and coaching team can do a trick in developing his game ?
He's quite a player attacking wise and few championship defenders can live with him
I'm also in awe how good in the air he is with some quality headed finishes.
As sweet as his individual play is that may be the strongest factor in him being moved rather than age , injuries though I would agree to his lack of extent on work ethic !
I don't think it's truly wise to sell unless Dean smith struggles to get him playing more team role. I noted how bruce says Kodjia drive him mad but can do the unexpected.
In an attacking minded team feel 'jimmy' would thrive. But if it's so focused on team play jimmy would lose out to others in a starting 11.
If only based here on now on Hogan being replacement despite his success at Brentford is risky in the expectations that Hogan will be firing goals just as he did before .
To suggest kodjia to be sold due to injuries we could suggest Hogan in that respect too.
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Lots of people think Kodjia will miss out because Smith likes Hogan
But I think there's a pretty obvious role for him wide of a front three. He'd be playing narrower and higher than he had to for Bruce. Though we need a proper overlapping left back to make it work
I think Albert can be converted.
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I've just finished reading Peter Withes autobiography and he mentions being invited to training by Steve Bruce (at this time he had offered the club his services for nothing to coach strikers), at which point he saw Kodjia and writes that 'with some decent coaching he could score over 20 a season easily'. Whether he realised he was having a dig at Bruce or not I think it speaks volumes. Albeit Peters opinion of his own qualities is not hiding under a bushel. I'm hoping the new regime can actually coach these players to be in the right areas at the right times.
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He has scored over twenty, twice right?
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Conversely, you would imagine Bruce would know what he was doing when it came to central defenders.
'Get yer head on it' and 'Row Z son' don't do much these days either.
He totally lost me at Burton away when we were hitting it long to RHM marked by 2 big centre halves and Bruce’s magical words were “Get hold of it Rusian”
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I wonder if he’ll be sold as a decent asset in Jan in the hope that dean will get better off hogan to compliment Tammy ?
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I started to wonder if JK will fit into Smith plans .
He could be the fall player despite his undoubted talents may not be able to close down and press from the front which what Smith demands
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Not sure he did himself any favours on Saturday as he was nearly responsible for us conceding late on because he switched off. I’m sure he would have got a bollocking for that so let’s see how he responds
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He was one of 5 outfield players to be below 80% in his passing .
2nd only to Abraham in being loose with the ball
66.7% successful passes in 17 or so minutes .
That said he has average of 82.5 or so but could be improved .
79.8 % passing accuracy away from home .
Though passing in general isn't jimmy thing haha man's a greedy goal scorer !
Ideally he needs to be upfront as the striker.
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Smithy more or less admitted "in hindsight" he should have brought Kodjia and not Hogan on in match v Norwich at 1-0 up to replace injured Abraham.
That good honesty by Smith although to me it was patent obvious Jimmy was the idea striker more than Hogan in the situation and consider season so far.
I do hope he gets to grips with the movement within channels which smith wants as much as closing down players .
He's undoubted talents on ball and goal scoring but I wonder if smithy fancies him for his team style
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Thought Kodj was terrible last night but I did see signs that he’s listening to Dean. I would persevere for now
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I didn't think he was that bad last night. He tried too hard at times if anything though and made one or two wrong decisions but he was ok.
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Played some good through balls second half which Tammy failed to capitalise on.If he can just eliminate his brain farts he'll be an asset.
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He was terrible in comparison to Messi, Ronaldo and Mbappe but i'm otherwise struggling to associate the word 'terrible' with Kodjia in any game since he's been here including last night. He would be better down the middle though.
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He was very sloppy at times. But he’s also someone the opposing defenders cannot take for granted because he has it in him to be lethal. I think as they get fitter and more attuned to what the new manager and staff want of them both Jimmy and Bolasie will be very effective. Bolasie looked really exciting at times last night.
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Thought he did ok and worked hard.
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Me too, thought he done well last night, he does make the wrong decisions at times, but can also do things others can't. Good to see him fit again.
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I thought he seemed to be working on ‘being unselfish’ but it wasn’t quite coming off for him. Good to see him trying though.
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He isn't a team player and never will be but I do agree he does offer a degree of the unpredictability about him but can't see him as a long term player under Smith who relies very much on a team ethic.
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He was terrible in comparison to Messi, Ronaldo and Mbappe but i'm otherwise struggling to associate the word 'terrible' with Kodjia in any game since he's been here including last night. He would be better down the middle though.
I agree however he needs to improve his alertness to win the second ball by putting defenders under pressure. Too often he reacts a fraction of a second late.
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I thought he seemed to be working on ‘being unselfish’ but it wasn’t quite coming off for him. Good to see him trying though.
That's what it looked like to me too. We all have off-days. His was pretty off though, to be fair.
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I thought he defended well.
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Played some good through balls second halfway which Tammy failed to capitalise on.If he can just eliminate his brain farts he'll be an asset.
I thought he was decent overall
That through ball to Tammy was terrible though. It was bouncing when it should have been rolled for him to hit first time
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I thought he was decent enough too.
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Played some good through balls second halfway which Tammy failed to capitalise on.If he can just eliminate his brain farts he'll be an asset.
I thought he was decent overall
That through ball to Tammy was terrible though. It was bouncing when it should have been rolled for him to hit first time
Really? It was infront of him which was most important thing to do (so many times you'd see a player pass behind the striker). Tammy seemed to want to take a touch for some reason instead of just tapping it into the net.
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Played some good through balls second halfway which Tammy failed to capitalise on.If he can just eliminate his brain farts he'll be an asset.
I thought he was decent overall
That through ball to Tammy was terrible though. It was bouncing when it should have been rolled for him to hit first time
Really? It was infront of him which was most important thing to do (so many times you'd see a player pass behind the striker). Tammy seemed to want to take a touch for some reason instead of just tapping it into the net.
I think the reason Tammy wanted to take a touch was because it was bobbled across at shin height. He still should have scored, but it was a poor ball when an easy one was on. It was typical of Kodjia's performance, his decision-making and his touch were way off all night. He's a really frustrating player.
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I think he is another one where you can see the influence of the new management team. It didn’t always come off but he was ar least trying to be a team player rather than do everything himself.
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I think he is another one where you can see the influence of the new management team. It didn’t always come off but he was ar least trying to be a team player rather than do everything himself.
That's true, at least he looked to pass to a teammate, which is rarely his first thought. There's definitely some work being done on the training ground, so hopefully he'll improve.
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I still think our best option down the left hand side going forward might be Grealish pushed on with McGinn supporting him and a flier at left back coming in in January who can get forward and get good quality in.
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5 goals in 35 odd appearances since his injury, precious few assists and just gone 29. One to flog in Jan
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He played well on Friday. We can worry about improving on him in Summer, if we go up. He's a vital part of the squad at the moment.
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Welcome bump !
Who needs Abrahams
He's got chance to be central striker or at least more game time.
Come on kodjia show us
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Immensely frustrating player for me
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He's frustrating but he's also not a wide man. He's a central striker and we saw just how effective he is at that when he came on recently vs Stoke and won the penalty then headed the equalizer.
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He came on and played wide didn't he??
I think he's really unreliable at holding onto the ball to play centrally. He's especially unreliable away from home where he often goes missing
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If Abraham departed the Kodjia of 2017 would have no problem whatsoever emulating the former's goal scoring record. The Kodjia of 2019 isn't capable of that in my opinion and it's through no fault of his own. Injuries have really taken their toll.
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1 in 4 for a player whose spent a fair bit of time this season out wide or coming off the bench isn't bad.
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I'm not saying it isn't but I just can't see him grabbing 16 goals in 22 games.
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1 in 4 for a player whose spent a fair bit of time this season out wide or coming off the bench isn't bad.
Half his starts have been out wide and a third of his appearances have been from the bench. Given that it's better to use goals per minute which is 1 every 240ish, or 1 every 2 1/2 games. That's not as good as Tammy (1 every 107 minutes) but it's not a terrible record either and if he was playing centrally as the main striker you'd expect it to improve.
If Tammy were to leave I can see Kodjia getting 7-8 in the 20 games we have left. If we have goals from other sources as well that would be enough.
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Going on this - injury free - season he's got 6 goals and 2 assists from wide, with a goal every 250 mins. So a bit better than 1 in 3.
I think that's decent
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Going on this - injury free - season he's got 6 goals and 2 assists from wide, with a goal every 250 mins. So a bit better than 1 in 3.
I think that's decent
3 assists if you count the cup game.
I don't think 1 in 2 would be a huge stretch from where he is if he was playing central and I doubt anyone would be unhappy with that.
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With Kodjia, I don't think the lack of goal threat is an issue
It's the all round game and sheer, maddening frustration of seeing him so consistently take the wrong option
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With Kodjia, I don't think the lack of goal threat is an issue
It's the all round game and sheer, maddening frustration of seeing him so consistently take the wrong option
But on the flip side you get a player who has his back to goal, 30 yards out against the league leaders, and 5 seconds later, having beaten 5 defenders lays a perfect ball off for Hourihane to curl in the bottom corner.
Yes, he's frustrating at times, but he's also one of the very few players in this division who can genuinely create goals out of nothing.
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bit like Jordon Ayew but not as good imo
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I think some of the comments about him being greedy really do overplay it. Against QPR for example he cut back in and shot a foot wide when he could've squared it into a congested 6 yard box.
Through retelling you'd think he was 30 yards out and Abraham had an open goal tap in if he'd passed. I agree with everyone that, with hindsight, the pass was the better option but I also had a moment after he shot of thinking it was going into the bottom corner and thinking it would be a fantastic goal.
Watch the highlights - https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/teams/aston-villa/11596307/aston-villa-2-2-qpr - Is Tammy greedy because he didn't square to Thor in the first chance they show?
All strikers will back themselves with the ball on their stronger foot 10-15 yards from goal, if they didn't they don't have the killer instinct to be a 20 goal a season striker and sometimes it means they'll waste a chance that could've been better for someone else.
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bit like Jordon Ayew but not as good imo
Really? Ayew hasn't really delivered - for us or anyone in England.
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In my view Kodjia is streets ahead of Jordan Ayew. I'm still not sure what Ayew's best position was but it certainly wasn't goalscorer.
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bit like Jordon Ayew but not as good imo
Really? Ayew hasn't really delivered - for us or anyone in England.
Absolutely. That Jordan Ayew comment is about as close to the mark as a Yannick Bolasie shot!
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bit like Jordon Ayew but not as good imo
Really? Ayew hasn't really delivered - for us or anyone in England.
Absolutely. That Jordan Ayew comment is about as close to the mark as a Yannick Bolasie shot!
I liked him
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Kodjia has revealed why he wears his hand cast . And also some other interesting things regarding Dean Smith, team mates
Is up on clubs website
Worth a read ,great insight to a striker I really like
https://www.avfc.co.uk/News/2019/01/16/one-on-one-jonathan-kodjia
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bit like Jordon Ayew but not as good imo
Respectively disagree
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In my view Kodjia is streets ahead of Jordan Ayew. I'm still not sure what Ayew's best position was but it certainly wasn't goalscorer.
Kodjia is far better. Ayews best position is playing for someone else.
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Ayew flatters to deceive. Lots of ability, no product.
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I'm surprised everybody thinks Kodjia is much better than Ayew. He's probably faster and his attitude is considerably better, but I thought Ayew was a far more talented footballer.
Not that I don't think Kodjia is a decent player at this level. I'd be disappointed if we lost him.
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I really had high hopes for Ayew in this league as he has a lot of talent, but he was perhaps the one I was most disappointed with.
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bit like Jordon Ayew but not as good imo
Really? Ayew hasn't really delivered - for us or anyone in England.
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Agree totally
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Supposedly interesting Angers in Ligue 1
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i'm fairly sure if they bid enough, we will sell him.
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As half hearted a performance as you are ever likely to see tonight
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Still better level than El Ghazi.
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He's not done anything productive for a long time. It's a shame because I think he was trying tonight. It's good that the opposition don't know what he's going to do; the trouble is that I don't think he does either.
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He can go in the summer. Back to France for a few quid. Not the same player as we signed post that injury. If we can get £5mill for him, cut our losses and run. Shame, he was brilliant in his first season with us.
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He was a disgrace tonight. Shame he didn’t get his move on deadline day.
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Not the first time he has thrown his dummy out of the pram. Middlesbrough away in the play offs he was an utter disgrace.
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Still better level than El Ghazi.
Agree mate, but that's not saying a lot. Get rid of both in the summer
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I must admit, I didn’t notice it live (it’s harder to see on tv) but Kodjia was shocking last night. He allowed Baldock to expose Taylor.
To Smiths credit, he did notice and moved El Ghazi across but it happened again in the second half.
I imagine Smith will be fuming with this performance.
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Time to move him on. Not what we need in this team.
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Yeah he's another who's gone
I thought el ghazi was quite a bit better
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I feel genuinely sorry for Kodjia - the injury in 2017 did for him. Up to that point he was a very exciting player to watch. Not a team player, but an exciting one.
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Ran around like Donkey from Shrek.. Crap.
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I suspect he has issues about not being top gun. He fucked up by demanding to go to the ACON despite carrying an injury he aggravated. He was bang to rights and it has made him mardy.
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Better off giving Davis game time until the end of the season instead of this clown. Injury killed his mobility but his attitude stinks and losing nearly every physical contest too.
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Not sure if his injury is the problem, I think his attitude stinks.
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I too would like to see Davis get a few games but that will mean moving Tammy out of the centre.
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There must come a point in the season when it's better for us to give Davis game time than Tammy, who won't be here next season
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There must come a point in the season when it's better for us to give Davis game time than Tammy, who won't be here next season
Not while the play offs are still (just about) in reach. It's a shame we couldn't move Kodj on in the window, he adds nothing now sadly.
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not a chance of Davis coming in, it would make a mockery of Abraham's decision to stay in January. The trouble with Davis is he doesn't score - his only attribute as far as I can see is holding the ball up to bring others into play.
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Imo Kodjia already thinks he’s back home in France. Not enough desire. An absolute certainty that he will leave in the summer
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If he does go back to France, the type of team interested like Angers will not have the money to bid more than about £2m for him.
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not a chance of Davis coming in, it would make a mockery of Abraham's decision to stay in January. The trouble with Davis is he doesn't score - his only attribute as far as I can see is holding the ball up to bring others into play.
he’s definitely struggled this season to score
definitely should have got more sitting on that bench
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Shame, he could have been a real star for us in this division.
He looks like he's already on the plane somewhere else.
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If he does go back to France, the type of team interested like Angers will not have the money to bid more than about £2m for him.
About all he's worth.
Even in his first season, his limitations were there for all to see. Since his injury, he's been a shadow of the player (who even at his peak) was far from the finished article.
£2million into the coffers and most likely to be replaced by somebody who is on £10k a week less.
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I like to think we'd get more than £2m for him if he went. He's still a very talented player.
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I like to think we'd get more than £2m for him if he went. He's still a very talented player.
Can't see it from a team like Angers. Plus, he'll only have 12 months left on his contract.
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I like to think we'd get more than £2m for him if he went. He's still a very talented player.
Can't see it from a team like Angers. Plus, he'll only have 12 months left on his contract.
Maybe not but other teams might want him. I'd rather we don't give him away.
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He'll be pushing 30 in the summer, I think a lot of Championship managers will be put off by his lack of workrate, which in this division is costly/unforgiveable.
Wednesday might bite but Bruce didn't sign him for us and O think was as exasperated with him as we were.
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Sadly he doesn't seem to fit into Dean's playing style, but perhaps worse he doesn't appear to care enough to even try.
I can quite safely say that we won't miss him when he's gone.
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He's broke and he isn't getting fixed.
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He'll move on in the summer. Injuries killed him but when you consider both him and Ross Mc cost us the best part of £30m, all we have to show is one season of goals between them.
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The thing with Kodjia he's perhaps now a great impact sub .
A great contribution potential .
However over the attempts of 90 minutes performance levels it's been lacking more often than not.
His best match was against Brentford for me and scored 2 goals.
Undoubtedly one of the top skill full and talented striker in league keeping him sweet as an impact sub would be best.
Though I like many were feeling right for him to come in against Sheffield utd. His engine isn't amazing these days and that seems to slow down.
I think he really fell away in the fa cup match v Swansea when he came on and despite a supreme finish v stoke he just hasn't looked amazing under Smith.
Last good match was for me v Leeds where he just ran out of steam after an hour from what I recall.
He offers some great flair in attack but defending is obviously a struggle.
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He'll move on in the summer. Injuries killed him but when you consider both him and Ross Mc cost us the best part of £30m, all we have to show is one season of goals between them.
That's accurate however I can't have McCormack and Kodjia as same level of contribution.
Kodjia has done a lot for villa
Though he's done appeared to do a little at times he's offered so much more than Ross McCormack did.
He comparable to Hogan with both having injuries and not looking 100 back to a challenging best.
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I loved watching Kodjia in his first season - selfish, undoubtedly, but scored some great goals. I actually think his current disinterest stems directly from the frustration of not being able to do what he once could, because of the ankle injuries. Whatever the reason, it's not going to be easy to move him on in the summer, simply because he's no longer the menace he was and, of course, his sky high wages.
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I loved watching Kodjia in his first season - selfish, undoubtedly, but scored some great goals. I actually think his current disinterest stems directly from the frustration of not being able to do what he once could, because of the ankle injuries. Whatever the reason, it's not going to be easy to move him on in the summer, simply because he's no longer the menace he was and, of course, his sky high wages.
I'd agree with at, a few times he's looked pretty pissed off with himself when things haven't worked. I really hoped that he'd get back after the injuries but I just don't think he's had enough regular game time to have the chance. On the flipside we can't let him play himself back into form when we have other options that are doing well in his main position.
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His wrist bandage seems to be getting further up his arm
Do we know why he wears it ?
Also, he should wear a less conspicuous bandage to help get away with subtle handballs ?
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His wrist bandage seems to be getting further up his arm
Do we know why he wears it ?
Also, he should wear a less conspicuous bandage to help get away with subtle handballs ?
He mentioned it in a recent interview. It’s to protect an old injury.
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So our best player in his first season, nearly 20 goals, injured for most of last and played out of position this and still contributed 6/7 goals whatever it is but to some he's a parasite to the club that needs moving on. Good god, we've had some parasites at this club in the past 10 years, but he's not one of them. I see nothing about him that says his attitude stinks and he can't be arsed either, probably should track back more but you could say that about some great players. To me, if he is pissed off it's because he's been shoved on the wing, but to me he doesn't really show it.
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An absolute certainty that he will leave in the summer.
Let's hope so... Good riddance.
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So our best player in his first season, nearly 20 goals, injured for most of last and played out of position this and still contributed 6/7 goals whatever it is but to some he's a parasite to the club that needs moving on. Good god, we've had some parasites at this club in the past 10 years, but he's not one of them. I see nothing about him that says his attitude stinks and he can't be arsed either, probably should track back more but you could say that about some great players. To me, if he is pissed off it's because he's been shoved on the wing, but to me he doesn't really show it.
Passing to his teammates would be a start
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yes you can't trust the French at all - they don't even have a word for an entrepreneur
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So our best player in his first season, nearly 20 goals, injured for most of last and played out of position this and still contributed 6/7 goals whatever it is but to some he's a parasite to the club that needs moving on. Good god, we've had some parasites at this club in the past 10 years, but he's not one of them. I see nothing about him that says his attitude stinks and he can't be arsed either, probably should track back more but you could say that about some great players. To me, if he is pissed off it's because he's been shoved on the wing, but to me he doesn't really show it.
I agree.
He is not going to thrive out of position and at least we know he has the capacity to be an 'edge-of-the-seat' player
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He'll move on in the summer. Injuries killed him but when you consider both him and Ross Mc cost us the best part of £30m, all we have to show is one season of goals between them.
You're just picking and choosing players to suit your argument.
It would be much better to include Hogan in that comparison - then you could say that they've cost us the best part of £45m, and we'd have one season of goals between them! ;) ::)
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So our best player in his first season, nearly 20 goals, injured for most of last and played out of position this and still contributed 6/7 goals whatever it is but to some he's a parasite to the club that needs moving on. Good god, we've had some parasites at this club in the past 10 years, but he's not one of them. I see nothing about him that says his attitude stinks and he can't be arsed either, probably should track back more but you could say that about some great players. To me, if he is pissed off it's because he's been shoved on the wing, but to me he doesn't really show it.
I agree.
He is not going to thrive out of position and at least we know he has the capacity to be an 'edge-of-the-seat' player
Spot on
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He'll move on in the summer. Injuries killed him but when you consider both him and Ross Mc cost us the best part of £30m, all we have to show is one season of goals between them.
You're just picking and choosing players to suit your argument.
It would be much better to include Hogan in that comparison - then you could say that they've cost us the best part of £45m, and we'd have one season of goals between them! ;) ::)
I'd much rather focus on McCormack and Hogan, if they'd ever offered a spell like Kodjia did for most of the first season he was here we'd probably be a premier league club right now. What's happened with Kodjia since is a massive disappointment for everyone but at least he has, for a while, shown that we weren't completely mugged.
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He came to us as a central striker who who was quick, inventive and could score from anywhere. Then he suffers a very serious injury, works his ass off to get back to fitness yet is brought back in too soon and gets hurt again. In the meantime Bruce goes out and gets Tammy. So then to accommodate a one striker system he’s been punted out to the wing, a system maintained by Smith. He’s not at all a winger and over the season he’s got more and more frustrated. And frankly after the injuries he’s not the same player.
I sympathize with Kodjia. He was a simply brilliant footballer. Through injury, tactical changes and the form of Tammy he’s seen his Villa career shot and what was a rising status with the Ivory Coast (some of those goals were great too) come to a halt. He wants out. I absolutely get it so he can get back to being a starting CF somewhere for the last 2 or 3 years of his career.
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He looked like he enjoyed playing with Keinan in that spell last season before getting injured against the rags. That was a shame, there looked to be an instant understanding between them.
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He came to us as a central striker who who was quick, inventive and could score from anywhere. Then he suffers a very serious injury, works his ass off to get back to fitness yet is brought back in too soon and gets hurt again. In the meantime Bruce goes out and gets Tammy. So then to accommodate a one striker system he’s been punted out to the wing, a system maintained by Smith. He’s not at all a winger and over the season he’s got more and more frustrated. And frankly after the injuries he’s not the same player.
I sympathize with Kodjia. He was a simply brilliant footballer. Through injury, tactical changes and the form of Tammy he’s seen his Villa career shot and what was a rising status with the Ivory Coast (some of those goals were great too) come to a halt. He wants out. I absolutely get it so he can get back to being a starting CF somewhere for the last 2 or 3 years of his career.
There is a difference between being frustrated and being unprofessional.
The abysmal lack of effort displayed by Kodjia without the ball when playing in that wide role falls firmly into the latter camp. The last day, time and again when Hutton had the ball, Kodjia effectively hid from making himself available for the pass.
Bolasie was the exact same but was got rid of. We need to do the same with Kodjia at the earliest opportunity.
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Yeah I agree
Attitude is too often completely unacceptable
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I think he’s an alright player
scored us a lot of goals when he first came but there’s a lot of average players scored a lot of goals in this league
and that’s what I think he is even before he got injured
tricky, selfish, no team player, can produce a touch of magic but makes the wrong decisions to often
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Excellent tonight, and what a pen.
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Definitely played himself into a starting place tonight.
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Excellent tonight, and what a pen.
Play him instead of Albert on Saturday
His shot led to our second goal as well on Saturday
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Didn't we sign him from Bristol City? Surely a point to prove, as long as he works his bollocks off like he did tonight. In ahead of Adomah for me too.
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Much better from him, if he can keep up that sort of performance we're loffing.
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It seems he has moved past the Bruce/Bolassie effect. He could prove to be a very useful asset in our remaining games.
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In the closing minutes he chased down a lost cause into the keepers hands and then positively sprinted back to the half way line to face up the goal kick. Superb, he really put a shift in today which is not something we’ve always been able to say.
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Sounds like Kodjia has a rib injury? And wasn't risked. DS said he's having it scanned. Hopefully not serious as Tammy had to go off. These injuries are so annoying! Kodjia must've got injured in training, which is frustrating and almost unnecessary.
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He definitely got it in the Rotherham Game. You could see him holding then
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He definitely got it in the Rotherham Game. You could see him holding then
Smith said it happened today.
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He definitely got it in the Rotherham Game. You could see him holding then
Smith said it happened today.
He said he got it on Wednesday
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Its on the AVTV highlights from Wednesday. At the end of the game he threw his shirt into the crowd and then holds his side and looked in pain.
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Need him fit for the play offs.
Think a problem last year was we only had Jack in form when we were in them and he could only do so much. Grabban, Snodgrass and Adomah all went off the boil in the last few games.
Now aside from Jack, El Ghazi had an amazing game today and Tammy is scoring still at a decent rate. Kodjia as a wildcard off the bench also sounds good to me.
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Its on the AVTV highlights from Wednesday. At the end of the game he threw his shirt into the crowd and then holds his side and looked in pain.
Short throwing should be banned.
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what - he took of his shorts and his shirt? Brave thing to do in Rotherham.
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Well that would cause an injury but I was a victim of autocorrect there.
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Lots of reports coming out of Turkey saying he’s on his way there. Madness if we let him leave in my view.
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Really? We cant let him go, we haven't got enough cover up front as it is. Dont think this will happen
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If we'd already brought in, or could bring in, a replacement I wouldn't bothered but unless they have some super master plan to use someone else as a striker then it would be cray cray to let him go.
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I think we’ve got someone lined up to replace that are currently a free agent
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Dean may surprise us all again.
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I don't think we are going to let him go.
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I think we’ve got someone lined up to replace that are currently a free agent
Who ?
The only ones available are either too old (Llorente), too injured (Sturridge) or too bonkers (Balotelli)
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It makes no sense to sell him now.
It's the position most people agree we are lightest on.
We don't need the money.
I guess we could sell if stupid money was involved, but that's not going to be the case.
Kodjia surely will want to take a shot at the Prem after all these years rather than immediately go back to a lesser league.
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Dean Smith on Kodjia: “We don’t welcome any offers. We’re happy with him.” [avfc]
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He said those words, but he didn’t seem totally convinced
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I think we’ve got someone lined up to replace that are currently a free agent
Who ?
The only ones available are either too old (Llorente), too injured (Sturridge) or too bonkers (Balotelli)
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Presuming there is no Frankenstein Llolotellidge plan, is there any yoof near to stepping up?
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Dean Smith on Kodjia: “We don’t welcome any offers. We’re happy with him.” [avfc]
So it sounds like we have had some ;)
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I think we’ve got someone lined up to replace that are currently a free agent
Who ?
The only ones available are either too old (Llorente), too injured (Sturridge) or too bonkers (Balotelli)
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I wouldn't be totally against Llorente for a year if Kodjia wants to go, I think Wesley and Davis could learn a lot from him.
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Dean Smith on Kodjia: “We don’t welcome any offers. We’re happy with him.” [avfc]
So it sounds like we have had some ;)
Oh no doubt. And I think if our transfer window closed at the end of the month we would consider selling him. So unless we have a free agent lined up (none of which I am convinced offer any more than Kodjia) then I don’t see him leaving. Because it would be utter madness if that happened without a replacement in place.
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SSN reporting JK is out for 10-12 days with an ankle injury picked up in the Spurs game. I don’t recall him touching the ball let alone on the receiving end of any hard tackles.
We are now down to just Wes and Davis as our forward options.
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SSN reporting JK is out for 10-12 days with an ankle injury picked up in the Spurs game. I don’t recall him touching the ball let alone on the receiving end of any hard tackles.
We are now down to just Wes and Davis as our forward options.
Trezeguet, Jota and El Ghazi are also effectively playing as wide forwards though when we et forwards. So it isn't as if we are completely bereft up front. I actually think Davis will do well in this system, as he is very good at holding the ball up and bringing wide forwards into play.
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I reckon you could play Grealish as a deep striker with AEG and Trez either side and then SJM, Marvelous and Douglas as a proper 3 in behind, if we were short of options. It'd mean playing the ball into feet but Grealish has the ability to hold on to the ball for people to move around him and he'd draw plenty of fouls. Would need the wingers and McGinn hitting the box early though.
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I reckon you could play Grealish as a deep striker with AEG and Trez either side and then SJM, Marvelous and Douglas as a proper 3 in behind, if we were short of options. It'd mean playing the ball into feet but Grealish has the ability to hold on to the ball for people to move around him and he'd draw plenty of fouls. Would need the wingers and McGinn hitting the box early though.
I agree he could play that role, and do it well, but then you'd lose our main passing outlet from midfield. Obviously I don't know yet if Marvelous or Luiz could replace that.
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I reckon you could play Grealish as a deep striker with AEG and Trez either side and then SJM, Marvelous and Douglas as a proper 3 in behind, if we were short of options. It'd mean playing the ball into feet but Grealish has the ability to hold on to the ball for people to move around him and he'd draw plenty of fouls. Would need the wingers and McGinn hitting the box early though.
I agree he could play that role, and do it well, but then you'd lose our main passing outlet from midfield. Obviously I don't know yet if Marvelous or Luiz could replace that.
I agree, but as an 'in a pinch' strategy I think it could work well.
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I think we’ve got someone lined up to replace that are currently a free agent
Who ?
The only ones available are either too old (Llorente), too injured (Sturridge) or too bonkers (Balotelli)
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Go for the "what could have been" partnership in the relegation season of Adebayor and Doumbia.
As it is, if anyone wants to give us any sort of fee for a 29 year old Ivorian who isn't as good as he was before he got injured - just take the money and get like for like with Wilfried Bony.
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Letting him go would seem a poor decision at this stage. I admit that he did nothing on Saturday, but we aren't writing off Wesley on the back of one performance against one of the top teams in the top division, so we should be evaluating Kodjia by the same criteria.
Interestingly, if he were to go, that would be over 40% of our goals from last season with Abraham gone as well.
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It makes no sense to sell him now.
It's the position most people agree we are lightest on.
We don't need the money.
I guess we could sell if stupid money was involved, but that's not going to be the case.
Kodjia surely will want to take a shot at the Prem after all these years rather than immediately go back to a lesser league.
All well and good if we thought he was any good, but he'd never recovered from his injuries and has a questionable attitude.
We have other squad options, as Paul_e says.
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I think we’ve got someone lined up to replace that are currently a free agent
Who ?
The only ones available are either too old (Llorente), too injured (Sturridge) or too bonkers (Balotelli)
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Go for the "what could have been" partnership in the relegation season of Adebayor and Doumbia.
As it is, if anyone wants to give us any sort of fee for a 29 year old Ivorian who isn't as good as he was before he got injured - just take the money and get like for like with Wilfried Bony.
That's not in any way like for like. Kodjia just played in the Premier League. Bony can't get a go for Newport. Bony is finished. Kodjia, hopefully, isn't.
My one concern going into the season was not signing another striker, I hope it doesn't turn out to be Smith's "fuck it I don't need any defenders we've got Jedinak" mistake.
Letting Kodjia go when we have so few options up front would be madness. He can leave in January when we have signed a replacement and not before.
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I think we’ve got someone lined up to replace that are currently a free agent
Who ?
The only ones available are either too old (Llorente), too injured (Sturridge) or too bonkers (Balotelli)
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Go for the "what could have been" partnership in the relegation season of Adebayor and Doumbia.
As it is, if anyone wants to give us any sort of fee for a 29 year old Ivorian who isn't as good as he was before he got injured - just take the money and get like for like with Wilfried Bony.
That's not in any way like for like. Kodjia just played in the Premier League. Bony can't get a go for Newport. Bony is finished. Kodjia, hopefully, isn't.
My one concern going into the season was not signing another striker, I hope it doesn't turn out to be Smith's "fuck it I don't need any defenders we've got Jedinak" mistake.
Letting Kodjia go when we have so few options up front would be madness. He can leave in January when we have signed a replacement and not before.
I completely agree and I really hope I am worrying about nothing because Wes and Davis will be fine, with Kodja helping out but.....
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I think we’ve got someone lined up to replace that are currently a free agent
Who ?
The only ones available are either too old (Llorente), too injured (Sturridge) or too bonkers (Balotelli)
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Go for the "what could have been" partnership in the relegation season of Adebayor and Doumbia.
As it is, if anyone wants to give us any sort of fee for a 29 year old Ivorian who isn't as good as he was before he got injured - just take the money and get like for like with Wilfried Bony.
That's not in any way like for like. Kodjia just played in the Premier League. Bony can't get a go for Newport. Bony is finished. Kodjia, hopefully, isn't.
My one concern going into the season was not signing another striker, I hope it doesn't turn out to be Smith's "fuck it I don't need any defenders we've got Jedinak" mistake.
Letting Kodjia go when we have so few options up front would be madness. He can leave in January when we have signed a replacement and not before.
Kodjia is finished too would be my view and has been for some time. I honestly think he would struggle to make an impact at a mid table championship side these days, as was clear last season for most of it. Going into the season with him as backup to Wesley is, on the evidence of his Spurs cameo, a serious worry.
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Kodjia surely will want to take a shot at the Prem after all these years rather than immediately go back to a lesser league.
It may have been a tall ask for him to come on against Spurs and make a huge contribution, but he could have looked as if he was bothered - including trying to make himself available for a pass when Grealish lost the ball, leading to their second.
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Kodjia is finished too would be my view and has been for some time. I honestly think he would struggle to make an impact at a mid table championship side these days, as was clear last season for most of it. Going into the season with him as backup to Wesley is, on the evidence of his Spurs cameo, a serious worry.
Erm, you do realise he’s a striker who got us plenty of goals playing as a striker, but last season was mostly played on the wing?
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He's long gone in really wanting it. I was finished with him after his disgraceful appearance at boro away in the play offs - but unfortunately we need him right now so I will bite my gob and keep quiet
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Kodjia surely will want to take a shot at the Prem after all these years rather than immediately go back to a lesser league.
It may have been a tall ask for him to come on against Spurs and make a huge contribution, but he could have looked as if he was bothered - including trying to make himself available for a pass when Grealish lost the ball, leading to their second.
Well Dean said he sprained his ankle but played on, so not sure we can judge him on that showing. And he’s out for Saturday as a result
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I think we’ll sign another striker and let JK go in January if there’s any decent offers for him. How long does he have left on his contract?
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Kodjia surely will want to take a shot at the Prem after all these years rather than immediately go back to a lesser league.
It may have been a tall ask for him to come on against Spurs and make a huge contribution, but he could have looked as if he was bothered - including trying to make himself available for a pass when Grealish lost the ball, leading to their second.
Well Dean said he sprained his ankle but played on, so not sure we can judge him on that showing. And he’s out for Saturday as a result
High ankle sprain is incredibly painful
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Bony doesn't get a go with Newport as he doesn't want to sign for them. Not saying he's got anything left at the highest level but it's a tad harsh saying he's not even good enough for Newport when he's only training there while he looks for a club.
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Kodjia is finished too would be my view and has been for some time. I honestly think he would struggle to make an impact at a mid table championship side these days, as was clear last season for most of it. Going into the season with him as backup to Wesley is, on the evidence of his Spurs cameo, a serious worry.
Erm, you do realise he’s a striker who got us plenty of goals playing as a striker, but last season was mostly played on the wing?
Plenty of goals pre his serious ankle injury. 10 goals in 61 appearances post injury.
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Bony doesn't get a go with Newport as he doesn't want to sign for them. Not saying he's got anything left at the highest level but it's a tad harsh saying he's not even good enough for Newport when he's only training there while he looks for a club.
It was a mistype. I meant not even good enough for New Camp.
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Kodjia is finished too would be my view and has been for some time. I honestly think he would struggle to make an impact at a mid table championship side these days, as was clear last season for most of it. Going into the season with him as backup to Wesley is, on the evidence of his Spurs cameo, a serious worry.
Erm, you do realise he’s a striker who got us plenty of goals playing as a striker, but last season was mostly played on the wing?
Plenty of goals pre his serious ankle injury. 10 goals in 61 appearances post injury.
But as said in the bit you decided to ignore, how many of those appearances were on the wing?
To be clear I'm not sure about him because I don't think his heart is in it, which is why we've had so many links to him moving on, but if he wants to be here so he can try to prove himself in the PL then I don't have an issue with his ability.
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He's just such a fucking frustrating player to watch. You think he has it all with his technique and power sometimes but more often he can't trap a ball for toffee.
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For me he is at his most frustrating when he hasn't scored for a while. He likes to score, and then gets desperate to get back on the score sheet to the point where he becomes greedy, doesn't pass when team mates are in better positions, and ends up screwing up chances because he's so eager.
The one season when we played him week-in week-out as a striker he got us 19 league goals in 36 games. The following season he was out with the injury, and since he's come back he's never actually had a run in the team as a striker. So a bit harsh to say he's lost it or is no good for the Championship. Whether he can cut it in the Prem, who knows, but there are a few players in that boat this season.
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I just hope not buying another forward doesn't come back to haunt us.
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I'm surprised after spending £127m that we only bought one forward. Letting playes go on loan and not replacing them with at least one striker was surely the logical way to go? This situation was always likely to happen with only 3 strikers to choose from. Why risk leaving yourself so short of options?
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I don't think we need to worry to much when a third choice player gets a knock. If Wes gets injured that would be the time to worry. Although I do think Davis has something to offer.
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Been a long long time since we've seen anything from Kodj to suggest he's anywhere near good enough to play in the PL.
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I just hope not buying another forward doesn't come back to haunt us.
I hope saying “I just hope not buying another forward doesn't come back to haunt us.” doesn’t come back to haunt us.
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Been a long long time since we've seen anything from Kodj to suggest he's anywhere near good enough to play in the PL.
He scored in his last full game, against eventual African Champions Algeria, and was pretty good throughout the tournament.
I'll not be writing him off just yet. Let's see how he plays when he's fully fit. Hopefully that won't be too far away.
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I think we’ll sign another striker and let JK go in January if there’s any decent offers for him. How long does he have left on his contract?
That would be Virtual Insanity.
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Been a long long time since we've seen anything from Kodj to suggest he's anywhere near good enough to play in the PL.
He scored in his last full game, against eventual African Champions Algeria, and was pretty good throughout the tournament.
I'll not be writing him off just yet. Let's see how he plays when he's fully fit. Hopefully that won't be too far away.
I agree. As frustrating as he can be to watch sometimes, on his day he's a very talented player.
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I think we’ll sign another striker and let JK go in January if there’s any decent offers for him. How long does he have left on his contract?
That would be Virtual Insanity.
;D
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Bloody broken cheekbone from an accidental clash with Marvelous. Out at least 3 weeks.
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Marvelous is really trying to show he's up for being our midfield enforcer.
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Marvelous is really trying to show he's up for being our midfield enforcer.
Maybe he fancies a go upfront?
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I think we’ll sign another striker and let JK go in January if there’s any decent offers for him. How long does he have left on his contract?
That would be Virtual Insanity.
Future's made of it though apparently.
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Bad news, I wonder will Kodjia be up to speed when we need him.
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Been a long long time since we've seen anything from Kodj to suggest he's anywhere near good enough to play in the PL.
Aye.
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DS thinks he has a role to play, otherwise he wouldn't be here. It may well be a minor part but that is why managers get paid the the big bucks these days.
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Just read in the paper that Kodj is out tomorrow because he’s fractured his cheekbone after clashing heads with Marvellous in training
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Kodjia out for 2/3 weeks after surgery to his cheekbone. Always the risk of no striker cover.
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Our decision not to sign an extra striker is rapidly turning into this season's "it's okay we can just play Jedinak at centre half" logic.
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Our decision not to sign an extra striker is rapidly turning into this season's "it's okay we can just play Jedinak at centre half" logic.
I doubt we decided not to buy another striker, more like they didn’t manage to get a deal over the line I would think
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We weren't willing to pay over the odds for a forward as we were judged to have done for our defence. Hopefully Wesley scores enough goals to propel us up the table but it seems an unnecessary risk, having spent about £150 million, not to spend another £10-£20 million to ensure we have strength in depth at such a vital position.
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Our decision not to sign an extra striker is rapidly turning into this season's "it's okay we can just play Jedinak at centre half" logic.
I doubt we decided not to buy another striker, more like they didn’t manage to get a deal over the line I would think
DS wanted Maupay but given the money spent was reluctant to spend their asking price of £25M on him..... not sure what he went for in the end
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Didn't he go for £16m? Seems pretty reasonable. Then again they may have charged us a Villa-tax for taking their coaches and two other players in recent times.
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Apparently a Qatari side are rumoured to have offered £7m for him and hoping to get a deal done...
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Apparently a Qatari side are rumoured to have offered £7m for him and hoping to get a deal done...
Cut their hand off.
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Would be a pretty decent deal since I believe his contract runs out in 9 months.
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Would be a pretty decent deal since I believe his contract runs out in 9 months.
Leaving us with just Wesley and Keenan...yeah, great deal
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Our current striker options must be comfortably the worst in the league.
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then we hould have done better in the summer. That we did not, is going to really hurt us.
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Would be a pretty decent deal since I believe his contract runs out in 9 months.
Leaving us with just Wesley and Keenan...yeah, great deal
Think it’s fair to assume that we would bring another striker in should we sell him.
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Would be a pretty decent deal since I believe his contract runs out in 9 months.
Leaving us with just Wesley and Keenan...yeah, great deal
Think it’s fair to assume that we would bring another striker in should we sell him.
Talk is of selling him next week isn't it so would be reduced to just free transfers without a club which in October isn't a great sign.
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Selling Kodjia is the last thing I would do right now with our options up front. Give him a chance up front when he’s fit. He can’t be worse than what we have now.
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Would be a pretty decent deal since I believe his contract runs out in 9 months.
Leaving us with just Wesley and Keenan...yeah, great deal
Think it’s fair to assume that we would bring another striker in should we sell him.
Talk is of selling him next week isn't it so would be reduced to just free transfers without a club which in October isn't a great sign.
Ah, apologies. Assumed that it meant in January. Agree that selling before then wouldn’t be sensible and can’t see it happening.
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I'd rather see Kodjia play instead of Wesley at the moment.
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if only we'd brought in another striker in the summer. In normal circumstances, you'd bite the club's hand off to move him on, but we need him until January.
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I imagine we would have been looking at other strikers as well during the summer. Should bear in mind that we obviously didn’t have unlimited funds and needed to perform major surgery on the whole squad.
You would assume that one of the current three would have to go should we bring another in in January and Kodjia seems the most likely given his age and contract situation.
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We could really do with him right now
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Well he was back in training last week with his mask so will be in contention to start at Norwich I reckon.
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100% sell and take the money.
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I despair, I really do
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100% sell and take the money.
Why on earth would we let one of our very few striking options leave when we're already struggling for goals? He will be a useful option off the bench and I'm sure will make a contribution this season.
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Sell him, Wesley and Davis 100 percent take the money which will easily offset the cost of relegation. Said no one ever.
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We really need him this season. As soon as summer comes, flog to the highest bidder.
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Unless we buy one or two better options in January, then he'll probably stay.
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Kodjia was pretty ineffectual last time he was fit enough to play; and had been for a while. In a division that seems to demand high energy and effort from all 11 players, I cannot see him being the answer to anything.
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Is he out of contract at the end of the season?
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Kodjia was pretty ineffectual last time he was fit enough to play; and had been for a while. In a division that seems to demand high energy and effort from all 11 players, I cannot see him being the answer to anything.
He is the answer in the nightmare scenario that all our many other prolific strikers get injured.
Which really isn't outside the realms of possibility and could happen at any time.
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Is he out of contract at the end of the season?
I believe so. Imagine we won’t offer him a new contract either, given he will be thirty soon and probably on a decent wage given who was in charge when we signed him.
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Is he out of contract at the end of the season?
I believe so. Imagine we won’t offer him a new contract either, given he will be thirty soon and probably on a decent wage given who was in charge when we signed him.
Which was who?
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Roberto Di Matteo. Jr.
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I assumed he meant Xia/Wyness rather than the manager, might be wrong though.
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Kodjia is one of those players, on song he's brilliant and almost unplayable, if he's not then forget it. Unfortunately we've seen far, far more of the latter since he got injured.
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He was hardly pulling up trees last year in the championship, no idea why people think he is the answer in the Preeeemiership.
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Still got a massive soft spot for JK (for me he was one of the few highlights of that 2016-17 season and for that I'll always be grateful to him). I don't think he's looked the same player after his ankle injury and was hoping a pre season was going to help get him back to his best. Fingers crossed he'll be back on track following this latest unfortunate set back. He certainly poses different problems to defenders than our other 2 forwards and on his day can make something out of nothing. I look forward to doing a celebratory jig when he scores for us this season!
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He was hardly pulling up trees last year in the championship, no idea why people think he is the answer in the Preeeemiership.
Ironically though he looks very comfortable at intl level.
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He was hardly pulling up trees last year in the championship, no idea why people think he is the answer in the Preeeemiership.
We don't exactly have a great number of alternatives. I wouldn't be starting him, but coming on with twenty minutes to go he's more likely to get us a goal than Davis. On the other hand, if we are winning in the closing stages I'd rather have KD on as he is better at holding the ball up and allowing us to alleviate pressure.
Basically, keep Kodjia till January to give us an extra option. Sign someone amazing in the New Year.
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He was hardly pulling up trees last year in the championship, no idea why people think he is the answer in the Preeeemiership.
Ironically though he looks very comfortable at intl level.
Which is mostly a lower level than the Championship
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JK should be fired up and ready to prove a point when he gets his chance...and he deserves that chance. If he isn’t good enough to take it then we definitely need to sign a proven goal scorer that will hit the ground running in January. I believe his contract is up in the summer (?), so for what we’d get for him in January, we may as well keep him as backup and let his contract run down.
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And still better than Wesley.
Some of Kodjias finishes for his goals and the way he can take headers are super something I haven't seen Wesley offer.
I can't actually remember a Kodjia headed goal ...
... but then he hasn't played for a long time for us.
Or is it my age?!
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Think he has scored a few headers. Ipswich away and Brentford at home in the last minute last season, at least from memory. Not sure I would call it one of his main strengths though.
Think the biggest issue with Kodjia, certainly from my recollection, is his link up play and that he takes a lot of touches and time to move the ball on. It’s probably what makes him more likely to score some of the individual goals he scores (similar to his first against Brentford last year) but it’s not particularly conducive to quick team interplay
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Best to watch with the sound off but a few headers in here. Happy Friday!!
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Think he has scored a few headers. Ipswich away and Brentford at home in the last minute last season, at least from memory. Not sure I would call it one of his main strengths though.
Think the biggest issue with Kodjia, certainly from my recollection, is his link up play and that he takes a lot of touches and time to move the ball on. It’s probably what makes him more likely to score some of the individual goals he scores (similar to his first against Brentford last year) but it’s not particularly conducive to quick team interplay
And his lack of energy and closing down? - prerequisites in the Premier League.
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Jimmy back and some ball hogging but fun to see he still has the skillz to beat a (the same) man 4 times .
What was the mask about had 2 frailing strap pieces either side.!
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Jimmy back and some ball hogging but fun to see he still has the skillz to beat a (the same) man 4 times .
What was the mask about had 2 frailing strap pieces either side.!
He has recently fractured a cheek bone in training I think
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He was dodging headers last night.
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Still unbelievably greedy last night
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I didn't see that at all.
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Still unbelievably greedy last night
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Did well I thought
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I didn't see that at all.
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Me neither. He looked decent to me considering his lack of game time lately. Surprised he didn’t get a bit more recognition in the threads. Touch looked ok, plenty of direct running.
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I think if it had been Davis people would be viewing the performance very differently. Age is part of it, granted ... but I also think kodjia (for reasons I can’t fathom) in one of those players who has to do a lot more than others to get fans’ recognition.
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I didn't see that at all.
That's because you weren't at the post match meal. Kod scoffed the lot.
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Considering how long he has been out i thought he looked very good, some morons behind me slagging him off within seconds of him being on.
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I hope JK gets a run out on Saturday either with or without Wesley - both options would be worth a look in my opinion.
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with a better squad Kodjia should be getting no where near a Villa shirt
He’s a bang average championship level player and lower championship at that
Smith knows this that’s why his contract won’t renewed reportedly
to be fair in the starting line up the other night there were only maybe a couple of players that were premier league quality and even they have got a bit to prove yet
we are at the start of a squad rebuild capable of competing in this league the likes of Kodjia, Taylor, Elmo, Chester, Lansbury are not good enough going forward however good a servants they have been we will go down if we have to rely on them
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he can't go unless someone comes in, surely? He looked good to me on Tuesday.
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with a better squad Kodjia should be getting no where near a Villa shirt
He’s a bang average championship level player and lower championship at that
Smith knows this that’s why his contract won’t renewed reportedly
to be fair in the starting line up the other night there were only maybe a couple of players that were premier league quality and even they have got a bit to prove yet
we are at the start of a squad rebuild capable of competing in this league the likes of Kodjia, Taylor, Elmo, Chester, Lansbury are not good enough going forward however good a servants they have been we will go down if we have to rely on them
All 5 of those players just presided over a 5-0 win in a League Cup quarter-final. Regardless of who the opposition was, they are clearly useful to have around.
But you're right. Let's just bleed squad players, who needs 'em.
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with a better squad Kodjia should be getting no where near a Villa shirt
He’s a bang average championship level player and lower championship at that
Smith knows this that’s why his contract won’t renewed reportedly
to be fair in the starting line up the other night there were only maybe a couple of players that were premier league quality and even they have got a bit to prove yet
we are at the start of a squad rebuild capable of competing in this league the likes of Kodjia, Taylor, Elmo, Chester, Lansbury are not good enough going forward however good a servants they have been we will go down if we have to rely on them
All 5 of those players just presided over a 5-0 win in a League Cup quarter-final. Regardless of who the opposition was, they are clearly useful to have around.
But you're right. Let's just bleed squad players, who needs 'em.
He didn't suggest bleeding squad players. He said we were at the start of a squad rebuild and that going forward they would need to be replaced and improved on.
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with a better squad Kodjia should be getting no where near a Villa shirt
He’s a bang average championship level player and lower championship at that
Smith knows this that’s why his contract won’t renewed reportedly
to be fair in the starting line up the other night there were only maybe a couple of players that were premier league quality and even they have got a bit to prove yet
we are at the start of a squad rebuild capable of competing in this league the likes of Kodjia, Taylor, Elmo, Chester, Lansbury are not good enough going forward however good a servants they have been we will go down if we have to rely on them
All 5 of those players just presided over a 5-0 win in a League Cup quarter-final. Regardless of who the opposition was, they are clearly useful to have around.
But you're right. Let's just bleed squad players, who needs 'em.
He didn't suggest bleeding squad players. He said we were at the start of a squad rebuild and that going forward they would need to be replaced and improved on.
Except that it relies on the very bold assumption that we will definitely be playing Premier League football again next season, which is certainly not guaranteed at this point.
I would also argue that Chester, even given his injury woes last season, is still a useful player to have around next year. I certainly wouldn't be chucking him out in favour of another random squad centre-half, most likely to the tune of several million quid that could be better spent elsewhere.
I actually think it's pretty disrespectful to our club captain too, since he's been nothing but a loyal servant to the club and - when he was fully fit - was consistently one of the best players on the pitch.
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with a better squad Kodjia should be getting no where near a Villa shirt
He’s a bang average championship level player and lower championship at that
Smith knows this that’s why his contract won’t renewed reportedly
to be fair in the starting line up the other night there were only maybe a couple of players that were premier league quality and even they have got a bit to prove yet
we are at the start of a squad rebuild capable of competing in this league the likes of Kodjia, Taylor, Elmo, Chester, Lansbury are not good enough going forward however good a servants they have been we will go down if we have to rely on them
I agree with the sentiment of this post.
Kodjia has never given me the impression that he could become the all-round player that is required in the high-press, pacy Premier League
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I also think Chestier could do a job if fully fit.
But. The point that we have to rebuild with better players is valid, I think you can add a number of the first team squad to that list.
Beyond Jack SJM Mings Fred Heaton Engels (Hause Konsa Maybe ) The rest do not look Premiership quality based on performances so far.
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Kodjia has never been the same since what was serious injury. Just watch some of the goals he scored for us and for his country. They were absolutely brilliant. We all suffer from recency bias to an extent and Kodjia hasn’t been the player he was for us, and part of it could be attitude and part is that he hasn’t had a run of games. But if it helps Wesley to play Kodjia and provide him with time to adapt and simply some competition we should be using him. He’s a very different option to Wesley.
The truth is if the right offer comes for him in January he’s gone. But until then, while our main striker isn’t scoring or is lacking some confidence, then use the assets at our disposal.
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with a better squad Kodjia should be getting no where near a Villa shirt
He’s a bang average championship level player and lower championship at that
Smith knows this that’s why his contract won’t renewed reportedly
to be fair in the starting line up the other night there were only maybe a couple of players that were premier league quality and even they have got a bit to prove yet
we are at the start of a squad rebuild capable of competing in this league the likes of Kodjia, Taylor, Elmo, Chester, Lansbury are not good enough going forward however good a servants they have been we will go down if we have to rely on them
All 5 of those players just presided over a 5-0 win in a League Cup quarter-final. Regardless of who the opposition was, they are clearly useful to have around.
But you're right. Let's just bleed squad players, who needs 'em.
He didn't suggest bleeding squad players. He said we were at the start of a squad rebuild and that going forward they would need to be replaced and improved on.
Except that it relies on the very bold assumption that we will definitely be playing Premier League football again next season, which is certainly not guaranteed at this point.
I would also argue that Chester, even given his injury woes last season, is still a useful player to have around next year. I certainly wouldn't be chucking him out in favour of another random squad centre-half, most likely to the tune of several million quid that could be better spent elsewhere.
I actually think it's pretty disrespectful to our club captain too, since he's been nothing but a loyal servant to the club and - when he was fully fit - was consistently one of the best players on the pitch.
that’s my honest opinion of how good our second string of players are and your honest opinion is different
that’s fine by me everyone sees things the way they see them
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If Kodjia is sold I assume at least two forwards will be signed given we'll be down to Wesley and Davis ( if he ever gets fit)?
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So what does he need to do to get a game then? Change his name to Wesley by deed poll? Apply for Brazilian citizenship?
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Perhaps JK is already an article that's pretty much complete . That is to say he's developed.
Smith prefers a player who still needs growing .
Jimmy can't be taught . He has it all already established. International player who scores goals and ability it's a scandal why at times he hasn't be used .
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And if I may add . A goal scorer .
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If he doesn't play today Dean's nuts and he will be sold next month.
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Why would someone buy him when they can wait a few months and get him for nowt? Same with Chester and Davis.
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Chester and Kodjia are NOT going to keep Villa in this division. Neither are quite good enough. I think we are in danger of making Kodjia a better player than he actually is. Ten minutes here and there is all he's ever achieved, never a full and consistent 90 minutes. Chester is not a Premier Division player, never really has been and that's why he's good for the Championship. Both of these players seem to get better when they are not playing.
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If he doesn't play today Dean's nuts and he will be sold next month.
If he was going to start any game over this period, I’d imagine Norwich at home would have been more suitable. Think today will be a bit of a scrap and I’m not sure you get much out of Kodjia in that case.
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I’m hoping he’s moved in January. He showed today why he’s not going a starting slot. His pressing compared to Grealish who has played 4 games in quick succession was awful.
Wesley injury could mean we’re forced to stick with him.
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JK is the reason Wes starts every game. It’s so frustrating watching his poor decisions.
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He hasn’t played for ages. Not properly anyway and I’m not counting against Liverpool schoolboys. Give him a chance. I know he made a very poor decision but he still gives us a different way of playing. Nobody is suggesting he’s who we should be setting our future on but he should have had more playing time before now.
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you know people have their pet player hates
You know where even when they do something good you find a reason to pick fault with it
most of us have got them Wesley, Taylor, Elmo, Trez, Ghazi, you can take your pick nothing they do is ever right and you become a bit obsessed about it to a ridiculous point
Well Kodjia is mine
I think he’s utter garbage a total waste of space when he’s on the pitch and massive liability
The worst footballer by a mile at the club
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you know people have their pet player hates
You know where even when they do something good you find a reason to pick fault with it
most of us have got them Wesley, Taylor, Elmo, Trez, Ghazi, you can take your pick nothing they do is ever right and you become a bit obsessed about it to a ridiculous point
Well Kodjia is mine
I think he’s utter garbage a total waste of space when he’s on the pitch and massive liability
The worst footballer by a mile at the club
He's talented, but brainless.
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He was only on for about 20 minutes. 15 of those, he was blowing out of his arse.
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Terrible today. That dumb decision not to square to trez left us with our arses out for 20 minutes.
Agree with the comment in the match thread he’s not greedy per se, just a real head down player with no feel for what’s going on around him.
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You’ve got to wonder who those wanting Wes to be dropped want to replace him? The injured Davis or this clown?
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Wes has struggled but at least he’s aware of what’s going on around him and looks up when he gets the ball, that’s something that Kodjia has never really done in his career.
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You’ve got to wonder who those wanting Wes to be dropped want to replace him? The injured Davis or this clown?
I'm not really sure why you would write someone off after an half an hour cameo? He scored a hat-trick (or possibly a brace) last time he started.
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Terrible today. That dumb decision not to square to trez left us with our arses out for 20 minutes.
Agree with the comment in the match thread he’s not greedy per se, just a real head down player with no feel for what’s going on around him.
It's why the Championship is his peak level. You need more awareness in the Premiership. It's not just about not being selfish, but like Defoe or Bent at their best, it's knowing what's happening around you and when you can find enough space to get the chance for yourself. It's about seeing Trezeguet and being able to exploit his presence there to get your own chance. Kodjia isn't savvy enough to do that or pick and choose his runs at this level. He can do it at Championship against a mix of young or aging/slow defenders, but not in the Prem.
I wanted him to play but apart from anything else because Wesley looked like a protagonist in some kind of depressing Soviet art house film about the crushing reality of existence. He needed a break over Crimbo. He looked a different player today though.
Time to buy someone though. Kodjia's had his time. Wesley needs competition and someone he can also learn a bit from too.
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You’ve got to wonder who those wanting Wes to be dropped want to replace him? The injured Davis or this clown?
I'm not really sure why you would write someone off after an half an hour cameo? He scored a hat-trick (or possibly a brace) last time he started.
He made one poor decision and should have crossed. But what were people realistically expecting him to do coming on following a long delay from an injury to Wesley? He wasn’t great but I don’t get why he’s being lambasted by some. We absolutely need to get someone in as Kodjia will only be a short term option. Or two now even.
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You’ve got to wonder who those wanting Wes to be dropped want to replace him? The injured Davis or this clown?
I'm not really sure why you would write someone off after an half an hour cameo? He scored a hat-trick (or possibly a brace) last time he started.
I wrote him of many many moons ago
but like I say and held my hands up to I don’t look at him in a very fair way anymore
he can do no right, scoring a couple against a kids team means nothing even Wes scored and he was only on for 10 minutes
best he moves on
he’s has nothing to offer us anymore in my jaundiced view
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Long-term, it may be best he moves on. Short-term, we don't have much option. I'd be tempted to play some kid, no idea who, up front at Fulham so that Kodj is definitely available for Leicester. That's assuming Wesley is out and we can't recruit too quickly, of course.
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Long-term, it may be best he moves on. Short-term, we don't have much option. I'd be tempted to play some kid, no idea who, up front at Fulham so that Kodj is definitely available for Leicester. That's assuming Wesley is out and we can't recruit too quickly, of course.
Play that Cameron Archer for me over Kod any day of the week
Give him a go he’ll bust his balls for us
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Kodjia plays for Kodjia FC not Aston Villa. Kodjia FC are crap.
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Long-term, it may be best he moves on. Short-term, we don't have much option. I'd be tempted to play some kid, no idea who, up front at Fulham so that Kodj is definitely available for Leicester. That's assuming Wesley is out and we can't recruit too quickly, of course.
Play that Cameron Archer for me over Kod any day of the week
Give him a go he’ll bust his balls for us
I don't think he's ready. Throwing players in too early can destroy their confidence. Still, wouldn't be amazed to see him play for our third string against Fulham's reserves.
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Terrible today. That dumb decision not to square to trez left us with our arses out for 20 minutes.
Agree with the comment in the match thread he’s not greedy per se, just a real head down player with no feel for what’s going on around him.
It's why the Championship is his peak level. You need more awareness in the Premiership. It's not just about not being selfish, but like Defoe or Bent at their best, it's knowing what's happening around you and when you can find enough space to get the chance for yourself. It's about seeing Trezeguet and being able to exploit his presence there to get your own chance. Kodjia isn't savvy enough to do that or pick and choose his runs at this level. He can do it at Championship against a mix of young or aging/slow defenders, but not in the Prem.
I wanted him to play but apart from anything else because Wesley looked like a protagonist in some kind of depressing Soviet art house film about the crushing reality of existence. He needed a break over Crimbo. He looked a different player today though.
Time to buy someone though. Kodjia's had his time. Wesley needs competition and someone he can also learn a bit from too.
Mr Benteke?
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Today's appearance merely confirmed my opinion of him.
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He’s going to have a significant run of first team games now. He needs to prove himself.
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You’ve got to wonder who those wanting Wes to be dropped want to replace him? The injured Davis or this clown?
I'm not really sure why you would write someone off after an half an hour cameo? He scored a hat-trick (or possibly a brace) last time he started.
He made one poor decision and should have crossed. But what were people realistically expecting him to do coming on following a long delay from an injury to Wesley? He wasn’t great but I don’t get why he’s being lambasted by some. We absolutely need to get someone in as Kodjia will only be a short term option. Or two now even.
Press their defence for 20 minutes - Jack did much more than him in that last 20 despite all the running he’s done this month.
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Long-term, it may be best he moves on. Short-term, we don't have much option. I'd be tempted to play some kid, no idea who, up front at Fulham so that Kodj is definitely available for Leicester. That's assuming Wesley is out and we can't recruit too quickly, of course.
Play that Cameron Archer for me over Kod any day of the week
Give him a go he’ll bust his balls for us
I don't think he's ready. Throwing players in too early can destroy their confidence. Still, wouldn't be amazed to see him play for our third string against Fulham's reserves.
thats always the excuse used to keep playing duff players
heard it enough times with Bruce
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At the moment there is noone that we have fit who is better than Kodjia. Wishing that we had a budding Gary Shaw in the youth team doesn't make it so.
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£3m fee agreed with Forest. Allegedly.
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Sick yesterday my arse.
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£3m fee agreed with Forest. Allegedly.
He's not worth that.
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At the moment there is noone that we have fit who is better than Kodjia. Wishing that we had a budding Gary Shaw in the youth team doesn't make it so.
worst player in the squad
we’d be better off playing Archer, Vaseline, el Ghazi, Trez, Hourihane, Jota up front that’s how bad he is
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Very harsh. Watching him 2016/17 was hugely enjoyable, almost on a par with Benteke's first season. He's never fully recovered from the ankle injuries, but that's not his fault.
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At the moment there is noone that we have fit who is better than Kodjia. Wishing that we had a budding Gary Shaw in the youth team doesn't make it so.
worst player in the squad
we’d be better off playing Archer, Vaseline, el Ghazi, Trez, Hourihane, Jota up front that’s how bad he is
I thought it was worth trying ElGhazi up front as he's pretty big and a decent finisher. But we learned last night it's not that straightforward - he couldn't hold anything up and the ball came straight back all night. Kodjia can hold a ball up and occaisionally create something out of nothing, he's also got a decent finish. I appreciate that he's not that good and his work ethic isn't acceptable. But playing anybody up fron other than him isn't likely to be fruitful.
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Very harsh. Watching him 2016/17 was hugely enjoyable, almost on a par with Benteke's first season. He's never fully recovered from the ankle injuries, but that's not his fault.
Totally agree.
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Agree entirely. If he goes, he does so with my best wishes.
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Me too. I appreciate he's not everyone's cup of tea, but he had a really seriously injury that changed the trajectory of his career. I said earlier in the thread that maybe he just can't do what he once could and it frustrates him as an athlete. And that season he was simply incredible at times. Another player could literally score any type of goal. Good in the air, quick, turned defenders inside out, left foot or right foot. He was superb to watch. Of course he had his faults. Didn't always make the best decisions, greedy/selfish (as many forwards are), or just plain poor when he should have been better. But at his best he was very good indeed and I'll remember him for the player he was pre-injury.
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It is a shame, the way this has panned out as he could have been a great player for us, but dealing in the here and now, he's a busted flush and we are desperate for better quality, better decision making players. If he goes, I will follow his career as he was exciting once and I'b be interested to know how he's doing.
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Me too. I appreciate he's not everyone's cup of tea, but he had a really seriously that changed the trajectory of his career. I said earlier in the thread that maybe he just can't do what he once could and it frustrates him as an athlete. And that season he was simply incredible at times. Another player could literally score any type of goal. Good in the air, quick, turned defenders inside out, left foot or right foot. He was superb to watch. Of course he had his faults. Didn't always make the best decisions, greedy/selish, or just plain poor when he should have been better. But at his best he was very good indeed and I'll remember him for the player he was pre-injury.
Agree with all this. He's nowhere near the worst player in the squad either. He's maybe lost a bit of what he had prior to the injury and a move back to the championship and a fresh start may do him good. A cracking player on his day, I hope he gets back to how he was.
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Agree with alll the foregoing praise for him pre injury. He should be a beacon of an example to both clubs and players who think they can play through serious injury for the honour of playing for their country. I wish him well. There cannot be many retiring players with an accountancy degree from the Sorbonne so we can expect to see him in a manager's dug out eventually.
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I agree with the posts above. I think if he'd not got that injury he'd have been effective in the premier league but he's lost half a yard of pace and it's affected him badly. I also think that, as TV says, he cuts a pretty dejected figure because he's trying to do what he was 3 years ago and finding that it just isn't working for him. It's not greatly different to when Bent came back under Lambert and looked like a shadow of the player he'd been before his injury. We've been pretty unlucky with getting strikers who get nasty injuries fairly early in their career with us and never really recover, Kozak was another and I do wonder if Hogan might have been better if he hadn't got injured a few weeks after he joined, he wasn't out for too long but it meant he never really got to carry his Brentford form over to us.
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He could be great on his day before the injury. And who could forget how he 'dabbed' Chris Brunt
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He was good for us for a while, I have no ill feeling towards him.
Although that 'play your thigh like a guitar' thing is the worst goal celebration ever.
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He was good for us for a while, I have no ill feeling towards him.
Although that 'play your thigh like a guitar' thing is the worst goal celebration ever.
Nah, that was Roger Milla and the corner flag celebration.
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He’ll go with my best wishes. He was amazing for us for a spell, a proper talisman match winner, however that ankle injury really took its toll.
Thanks Jimmy, and good luck.
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He was good for us for a while, I have no ill feeling towards him.
Although that 'play your thigh like a guitar' thing is the worst goal celebration ever.
Nah, that was Roger Milla and the corner flag celebration.
What about the Pole from Milan we've just been linked with? That Pistolero celebrate is so naff it's cool.
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Going to Al Gharafa. Thanks for the memories from a couple of years ago.
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he had a good 4-6 month spell.
He's better off leaving, Smith won't play him.
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Going to Al Gharafa.
Can recommend the chicken shashlick there. Very good.
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Is there a fee?
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he had a good 4-6 month spell.
He's better off leaving, Smith won't play him.
Yes, I agree.
I know he had injury problems, but Smith made a point of not playing him.
He's been criticised for his attitude recently, but he was very good and entertaining for us before injury.
It's quite possible he got fed up of not being picked as Wesley always played regardless of form. Players need to maintain a good attitude, recognising that they are in a privileged position, but I can't help feeling the man management hasn't been good here either.
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Sad to see him go in a way and sad it seems to be ending a bit acrimoniously.
Was brilliant for us in that season he was on fire 3 years ago.
It seems that broken foot(at derby?) was the beginning of the end for him.
Good luck to him while he makes a massive tax free wedge in the desert, but it really is time for him to move on.
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No problem with him leaving - He's a shadow of the player he was before injury. Hindsight is a wonderful thing but I wonder what would have happened if he hadn't appealed (successfully) his red card against Fulham when we were playing out the season with nothing really to play for.
I did hear of problems between him and Smith, including him refusing to go on in one game but all in all, it's for the best all round, regardless of circumstances.
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He was talismanic for us for a while and unplayable on his day, which for a season was nearly every game he featured in. Had a fantastic run where he scored from almost anywhere, had a great turn on him and a lethal finish.
Unfortunately after that injury he lost the ability, or the confidence, to execute those turns at the same speed, and just never found the same goalscoring opportunities as a result. It's a real shame that it happened, partially for him as an individual and to us as a club, as we could have had a gem on our hands otherwise.
As it stands, he's next to useless to us in the PL, except in a scenario where we don't manage to sign a single striker in this window. Assuming that's not the case, have to wish him all the best wherever he goes, and hopefully a kinder league will give him a second wind as a goalscorer and talisman.
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https://twitter.com/astonforza/status/1217896563311284225?s=21
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He's obviously pissed Smith off. I hope we are getting a fee for him. See you JK.
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apparently refused to be on the bench on a recent game.
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At least him going will mean the club’s social media team will stop persistently getting his surname wrong.
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He was good for us for a while, I have no ill feeling towards him.
Although that 'play your thigh like a guitar' thing is the worst goal celebration ever.
Thierry Henry called. He said "whassaaaaap"
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He is infuriating at times but there were games like Rotherham last year where he came on as a sub and made a big difference. I think Championship is his level. Summed up by occasionally good football, crap goal celebrations, awful dancing and haircuts which really I shouldn’t have any right to be commenting on.
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Did his bit, time to move on,I wish him well.
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Good luck to him. Was very good for us on his day, unlucky with injuries. Helped the club get back to a team that you could actually like after the horrors of 2015/16.
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Good luck to him. Was very good for us on his day, unlucky with injuries. Helped the club get back to a team that you could actually like after the horrors of 2015/16.
Very true. Unplayable at Championship level when he fancied it/was fit.
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One great season and then two years of injury and bit part play. Good luck to him.
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Was excellent and good fun in that first season in the Championship. Which was nice after the season preceding it.
Never really the same after the injury and I don’t think he was ever going to be a player that fitted into a ‘Dean Smith’ team.
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Even as a bit part player he was important for us in the championship. Can’t remember who it was against but he turned a game around for us as a sub during our winning streak.
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Even as a bit part player he was important for us in the championship. Can’t remember who it was against but he turned a game around for us as a sub during our winning streak.
Rotherham away
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Cheers that’s the one.
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Really enjoyed watching him in that first season, he was great and he played his part in slowly putting us back together after relegation. Good luck to him.
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Obviously Smith doesn't rate him. With Wesley struggling Kodjia should've been given a few games. I think the real tipping point was the Liverpool cup game when he scored twice and looked a threat - then Smith dropped him for the next game. I thought that was harsh from the Manager. Nonetheless why are we releasing him now? Surely with 2 weeks to go in the window you get replacements in FIRST. Stupid to leave yourself with no forwards at all at present!
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Even as a bit part player he was important for us in the championship. Can’t remember who it was against but he turned a game around for us as a sub during our winning streak.
Rotherham away
Also scored the winner against Millwall that clinched ten wins in a row, plus our first goal in the four-two win against you know who.
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Absolute joy to watch 2016/17.
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Good luck Kodjia in your future career. You helped to bring the smile back to the faces of those attending Villa Park after spiralling years of dross leading to relegation. I appreciated your instinctive style of playing football and your goalscoring ability. 1 in 3 for Villa and 1 in 2 for your national team are figures to be proud of. Obvs injuries didn't help and neither did playing for managers who didn't sign you which you've done for the majority of your time here. Imagine playing as a striker for Bruce! If you commit yourself, as Smith has done to just 3 untried, unproven strikers in the PL and you don't play one of them for whatever reason, as a manager of this situation there is a failing, especially in the situation we currently find ourselves in.
Thanks for the memories Kodjia, imo you were a good striker for us!
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Obviously Smith doesn't rate him. With Wesley struggling Kodjia should've been given a few games. I think the real tipping point was the Liverpool cup game when he scored twice and looked a threat - then Smith dropped him for the next game. I thought that was harsh from the Manager. Nonetheless why are we releasing him now? Surely with 2 weeks to go in the window you get replacements in FIRST. Stupid to leave yourself with no forwards at all at present!
His attitude clearly stinks now. He needs to earn a place in the team, not be given a go just because someone else isn't doing as well as they might.
He's nowhere near good enough for this league. He was decent against a rock-bottom Rotherham but Grealish might argue a bit about who was the better player that second half.
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He was more than decent against pretty much every championship team he came up against before the injury. Good luck to him, i'll always be a fan based on that first season, he was tremendous.
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Shame he couldn't carry his form after the injury. Excellent player on his day and I'm sure he had the ability to do well i the PL, but seemingly not the application. Personally I'd have like to have seen him given a run of 4-5 games to see if he stepped up, but obviously it's not to be.
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It looks as though he has been sitting out the last year of his contract to get a better personal deal when he moved on. Attitude is a key part of a player being on the top of his game. It looks as though the manager may have decided that his attitude was not right and it could have been from the start of the season.
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I thought he did a lot more than Wesley in his cameo against Southampton and would have started him against Norwich and Watford but it seems a parting of the ways has been likely for a while now. Incredibly frustrating player but scored some fantastic goals for us. Hope he enjoys Dubai and then settles down to a career in accountancy that he worked hard for.
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€3m being reported. Decent if true.
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€3m being reported. Decent if true.
It certainly is.
Thank you so much for that season of supplying many, many moments of individual brilliance. You made it sufferable. Good luck, now go and get it back and brighten other people's days.
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At least him going will mean the club’s social media team will stop persistently getting his surname wrong.
Gutted.
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At least him going will mean the club’s social media team will stop persistently getting his surname wrong.
Gutted.
Instead we will get loads of samatta puns after his 10 goals during the run in
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At least him going will mean the club’s social media team will stop persistently getting his surname wrong.
Gutted.
Instead we will get loads of samatta puns after his 10 goals during the run in
Jack Woodward is going to have a field day.
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Good luck to him.
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His move is off apparently. He refused to give a pass when boarding the plane.
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His move is off apparently. He refused to give a pass when boarding the plane.
Very good.
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His move is off apparently. He refused to give a pass when boarding the plane.
Ha ha
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At least him going will mean the club’s social media team will stop persistently getting his surname wrong.
Gutted.
Instead we will get loads of samatta puns after his 10 goals during the run in
Jack Woodward is going to have a field day.
Ah ffs... I shiver just thinking about him screaming his name
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He’s been photographed in Doha with the clubs scarf on so he’s already left. Very strange to let him leave with no one else yet through the door.
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Good luck Kodj. Think ultimately injuries did for him, but before those he was good.
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Good luck Kodj. Think ultimately injuries did for him, but before those he was good.
Yep but when you boil it down we probably got 6 good months out of him. Getting some money for him is a bonus and it’s the right sort of move for him as his recent efforts have shown he’s sadly no longer up to at this level.
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Gone then.
https://twitter.com/algharafaclub/status/1218894152852701184?s=21
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I suppose 3mill is a decent deal for a player who seems a bit broken, 6 months left on his contract. I hope he does well out there. Really exciting player on his day.
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Shame it all ended the way it did. Just a reminder of what once was...
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It's such a shame when a good player gets crocked and comes back a shadow of himself but that's what happened. He had a very good spell a while back but he's no longer of any use to us, sadly.
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That double against Norwich was JK at his peak. Quick and lethal.
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I like him. As others said, injuries took their toll. I'm not sure he'd have made it in this league, even in peak condition, but in the championship, fit, he was a beast. He made an otherwise depressing season in our first Championship year, enjoyable with his goals. He also got some key goals when Tammy was out, so played his part getting us up. Good luck to him. I don't think many of us expected him to stay beyond last August, and indeed to have much impact in the Prem. Injuries have helped cement that fact, but that's just the way it goes sometimes.
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Another forward sold. I wonder if Davis is next?
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Another forward sold. I wonder if Davis is next?
Who was the other?
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Never a team player. Lost count on the number of times he could have put a team mate through for a tap in.
Won us some points, but also cost us a lot. Especially after he was crocked.
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Another forward sold. I wonder if Davis is next?
Who was the other?
Andy Gray.
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Developed a really really annoying habit of holding on to the ball too long and opting to attempt to get past four opposition players around him rather than pass to a team mate.
For a while he was good, though.
Leg guitar goal celebration absolutely disgraceful, though.
Wish him the best.
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As others have said pre-injury he was a very good championship striker and, for me, would've done a job for a lower prem team that was defensively sound but needed a bit of magic up front.
Post-injury apart from the odd flash he never looked the same player, he lost half a yard of pace and possibly a case of playing in his head too much meant he didn't have the explosiveness we saw in his first year.
£3m is good money and he's moving to a league where I suspect he'll get a bit more time and space and have fun for a couple of years so I wish him well.
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Another forward sold. I wonder if Davis is next?
Who was the other?
Andy Gray.
Tony Hateley.
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Confirmed - he's joined Al-Gharafa
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cheers JK all the very best...time to move on
UTV
The Doc
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Strange how there does not seem to have been any official announcement of this from our end when he has been unveiled by his new club.
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Strange how there does not seem to have been any official announcement of this from our end when he has been unveiled by his new club.
As far as DS is concerned he is still in the 'bomb' squad!
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Strange how there does not seem to have been any official announcement of this from our end when he has been unveiled by his new club.
I assume the club is trying to avoid backlash on social media etc along the lines of "Can't believe we've sold our only available striker before bringing any in".
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Good luck to him, was great in his first series, never quite the same after his first serious injury.
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What, like Jack Bauer?
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Strange how there does not seem to have been any official announcement of this from our end when he has been unveiled by his new club.
I assume the club is trying to avoid backlash on social media etc along the lines of "Can't believe we've sold our only available striker before bringing any in".
Villa does this too often....I've said before, get any new signings in place before you let any go - especially our only available striker! Utter madness. I wonder if the Samatta deal has hit a snag??
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Strange how there does not seem to have been any official announcement of this from our end when he has been unveiled by his new club.
I assume the club is trying to avoid backlash on social media etc along the lines of "Can't believe we've sold our only available striker before bringing any in".
Villa do this too often....I've said before, get any new signings in place before you let any go - especially our only available striker! Utter madness. I wonder if the Samatta deal has hit a snag??
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There's been an announcement on Twitter.
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A bare bones announcement not even including the usual "the club thanks him for his efforts and extends its best wishes for the future".
Maybe that will come later, or it suggests something has gone on behind the scenes.
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Poor show by the club in their official announcement of Kodjia going. The Aston Villa I know has more class than that.
Thanks Kodj and good luck!
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Poor show by the club in their official announcement of Kodjia going. The Aston Villa I know has more class than that.
Thanks Kodj and good luck!
Maybe he's been a total arsehole and deserves no thanks whatsoever.
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Poor show by the club in their official announcement of Kodjia going. The Aston Villa I know has more class than that.
Thanks Kodj and good luck!
Maybe he's been a total arsehole and deserves no thanks whatsoever.
Even McCormack got a thank you, however insincere.
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Poor show by the club in their official announcement of Kodjia going. The Aston Villa I know has more class than that.
Thanks Kodj and good luck!
Maybe he's been a total arsehole and deserves no thanks whatsoever.
Even McCormack got a thank you, however insincere.
True. Maybe Kodhia refused to play for us ever again, even with the fact we had no other strikers.
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Possibly. He clearly wasn't ill.
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Yeah, the illness lime seems well spun.
The kid Man United are after for £60m played in the Lisbon derby on the weekend, which would have been a huge risk, I wonder if Kodjia has refused to play?
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Maybe he's spun some lies about his illness, maybe that's the club, who the f-ck knows because they're not exactly great at communicating with the supporters. What I do know is that whoever signed off on that announcement is not representing Aston Villa in a great light. There may be some underlying agenda but as a club we are bigger than that and we are certainly bigger than any individual player. We shouldn't be lowering ourselves to somebody elses levels. Whatever the guy may or may not have done, he contributed greatly to our 1st season in the championship, his goals ensuring we weren't in a relegation fight then. I wish he could have contributed more since, but whatever, he deserves the thanks of the club who represents 1000's of supporters and not some jumped up arsehole in the pr department or any other individual within the club for that matter.
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Possibly. He clearly wasn't ill.
On what basis? There seems to be a lot of speculation passed off as fact in this thread. Doesn't seem that unlikely that someone could be ill in January. Half my office have been off in the last couple of months.
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He could well have been ill. He might also have had a planned January move pulled out from under him after Wesley's injury and thrown a tantrum to force it through. Who knows?
What we do know is that for a while after he signed he was one of the best things about watching our side, and despite never getting back to that level after his injury, I'm grateful for his time here.
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I always had faith in him. I have been proven right. I always knew he would Gharafa ;)
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Pravda OS confirmation (https://www.avfc.co.uk/News/2020/01/20/kodjia-aston-villa-departure)
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Good luck Jimmy and thanks for the goals.
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Sold a striker before we are able to register another striker? Nonsensical decision making.
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Sold a striker before we are able to register another striker? Nonsensical decision making.
If we do go down, the triumvirate of Purslow, Suso and Smith will be roasted for this, among other things of course. Completely agree that this is next-level weird. Would rather have lost Kodjia in summer for nothing and still have him available for exactly the kind of crisis we currently find ourselves in. Even if he was being arsey and didn't want to be here, this doesn't look clever at all from the club. All Purslow had to do was tell the buyers that they needed to wait another week until we could confirm paperwork for our replacement.
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Poor show by the club in their official announcement of Kodjia going. The Aston Villa I know has more class than that.
Thanks Kodj and good luck!
Maybe he's been a total arsehole and deserves no thanks whatsoever.
Even McCormack got a thank you, however insincere.
True. Maybe Kodhia refused to play for us ever again, even with the fact we had no other strikers.
We've now thanked him and wished him luck.
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Sold a striker before we are able to register another striker? Nonsensical decision making.
Not really, firstly Kodjia would be of no more use (as proven in recent run outs) than Vassilev right now
Not to mention we have the rumours of him refusing to be on the bench. I honestly think Jimmy might've been in danger of thinking he was good enough for this level, and he was sadly deluded if he did
I wish him well and thank him for the good memories before it went to shit though obviously
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Sold a striker before we are able to register another striker? Nonsensical decision making.
If we do go down, the triumvirate of Purslow, Suso and Smith will be roasted for this, among other things of course. Completely agree that this is next-level weird. Would rather have lost Kodjia in summer for nothing and still have him available for exactly the kind of crisis we currently find ourselves in. Even if he was being arsey and didn't want to be here, this doesn't look clever at all from the club. All Purslow had to do was tell the buyers that they needed to wait another week until we could confirm paperwork for our replacement.
Kodjia has hardly been available recently and when he was, he didn't look interested. Was he really an option in the team or on the bench.
It's a bit like having an old car that you leave in the garage and use the bus. One day you decide to buy a new car. You get 'We buy any car' in and sell the old banger before buying your new car. The wife then turns around and says "what are you going to do if you need to go out in the car?".
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Sold a striker before we are able to register another striker? Nonsensical decision making.
If we do go down, the triumvirate of Purslow, Suso and Smith will be roasted for this, among other things of course. Completely agree that this is next-level weird. Would rather have lost Kodjia in summer for nothing and still have him available for exactly the kind of crisis we currently find ourselves in. Even if he was being arsey and didn't want to be here, this doesn't look clever at all from the club. All Purslow had to do was tell the buyers that they needed to wait another week until we could confirm paperwork for our replacement.
Kodjia has hardly been available recently and when he was, he didn't look interested. Was he really an option in the team or on the bench.
It's a bit like having an old car that you leave in the garage and use the bus. One day you decide to buy a new car. You get 'We buy any car' in and sell the old banger before buying your new car. The wife then turns around and says "what are you going to do if you need to go out in the car?".
Rusty analogy that!
Puns aside I don't get how you can suggest he wouldn't be a viable option given the situation we're in. People are suggesting starting Vassilev - an 18-year-old midfielder with no starts under his belt - up front by himself. That's how bad things are. Even a disinterested Kodjia was clearly the best option available to us for tomorrow's game. But nah, we've sold him. More old rope off the books and a few quid in the bank, great.
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Didn't look interested? He set one up in his last full game and scored 2/3 goals in his previous appearance.
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I'd rather Indiana Jones than Kodja. Indi probably ran more in 20 odd minutes and did more with four touches, than Kodjoa has done all season.
Compare his cameo at Spurs, the extreme lethargy in comparison to youthful dog chasing car exuberance. It put Dunk under and dragged us higher.
Nobody wants to be relying on a small, 18 year old. But then nobody wants to be relying upon a half arsed player either. Besting a team of kids and playing a 2nd division mob is no mark of much at all.
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Kodija lately was not an option he was a liability.
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Sold a striker before we are able to register another striker? Nonsensical decision making.
If we do go down, the triumvirate of Purslow, Suso and Smith will be roasted for this, among other things of course. Completely agree that this is next-level weird. Would rather have lost Kodjia in summer for nothing and still have him available for exactly the kind of crisis we currently find ourselves in. Even if he was being arsey and didn't want to be here, this doesn't look clever at all from the club. All Purslow had to do was tell the buyers that they needed to wait another week until we could confirm paperwork for our replacement.
Kodjia has hardly been available recently and when he was, he didn't look interested. Was he really an option in the team or on the bench.
It's a bit like having an old car that you leave in the garage and use the bus. One day you decide to buy a new car. You get 'We buy any car' in and sell the old banger before buying your new car. The wife then turns around and says "what are you going to do if you need to go out in the car?".
Rusty analogy that!
Puns aside I don't get how you can suggest he wouldn't be a viable option given the situation we're in. People are suggesting starting Vassilev - an 18-year-old midfielder with no starts under his belt - up front by himself. That's how bad things are. Even a disinterested Kodjia was clearly the best option available to us for tomorrow's game. But nah, we've sold him. More old rope off the books and a few quid in the bank, great.
I remember a disinterested Gabby away at Spurs, the year we went down. A traffic cone would have been more use that night.
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Finally the club do the right thing, pressured no doubt by the tw-tter reaction. A club being run correctly shouldn't have to be reminded of their responsibilities to its fans.
Next thing they need to sort out is to sign a
f-cking striker!
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Didn't look interested? He set one up in his last full game and scored 2/3 goals in his previous appearance.
His goals were against Liverpool under 15s.
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Didn't look interested? He set one up in his last full game and scored 2/3 goals in his previous appearance.
This, also.
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Didn't look interested? He set one up in his last full game and scored 2/3 goals in his previous appearance.
His goals were against Liverpool under 15s.
More or less the same team that knocked Everton out of the cup.
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Didn't look interested? He set one up in his last full game and scored 2/3 goals in his previous appearance.
His goals were against Liverpool under 15s.
More or less the same team that knocked Everton out of the cup.
Only 2 of the starting 11 against us also started against Everton. And none of the 3 subs against Everton played against us.
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Well, it was a bunch of kids. May have not been the same kids. As Vassilev will only ever have scored against kids, I'm not sure why people seem sure he would have been a better option.
Noone is suggesting Kodjia, who has never been as good since his latest injury, was the long-term solution. He is a better option than anyone else we have at present, and shouldn't have been sold until one, or preferably two, forwards were signed. The Qatar transfer deadline is the end of January, same as ours.
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Didn't look interested? He set one up in his last full game and scored 2/3 goals in his previous appearance.
His goals were against Liverpool under 15s.
More or less the same team that knocked Everton out of the cup.
Only 2 of the starting 11 against us also started against Everton. And none of the 3 subs against Everton played against us.
it just shows you what nonsense people will swallow in order to keep believing what they want
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Well, it was a bunch of kids. May have not been the same kids. As Vassilev will only ever have scored against kids, I'm not sure why people seem sure he would have been a better option.
Noone is suggesting Kodjia, who has never been as good since his latest injury, was the long-term solution. He is a better option than anyone else we have at present, and shouldn't have been sold until one, or preferably two, forwards were signed. The Qatar transfer deadline is the end of January, same as ours.
He’s been a liability repeatedly losing the ball and putting us under pressure, only half heartedly trying to join up with other players and shooting from ridiculous positions. We’re better off without him regardless of any replacement.
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Apart from the two most recent matches which you have chosen to ignore because of some Wolvesesque reasoning that they shouldn't count. Presumably the goal was a different size when we played Liverpool.
We are clearly not better off with no forward than we are with Kodjia. Absolute nonsense.
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Apart from the two most recent matches which you have chosen to ignore because of some Wolvesesque reasoning that they shouldn't count. Presumably the goal was a different size when we played Liverpool.
We are clearly not better off with no forward than we are with Kodjia. Absolute nonsense.
Would we have won on Saturday with Kodjia in the side?
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What, like Jack Bauer?
Exactly.
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Apart from the two most recent matches which you have chosen to ignore because of some Wolvesesque reasoning that they shouldn't count. Presumably the goal was a different size when we played Liverpool.
We are clearly not better off with no forward than we are with Kodjia. Absolute nonsense.
I agree with Chris
as harsh as it sounds we are better off without him imo
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Apart from the two most recent matches which you have chosen to ignore because of some Wolvesesque reasoning that they shouldn't count. Presumably the goal was a different size when we played Liverpool.
We are clearly not better off with no forward than we are with Kodjia. Absolute nonsense.
Would we have won on Saturday with Kodjia in the side?
No idea, maybe.We would have a better chance of winning tomorrow if he was in the side than a young kid and or someone out of position.
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Apart from the two most recent matches which you have chosen to ignore because of some Wolvesesque reasoning that they shouldn't count. Presumably the goal was a different size when we played Liverpool.
We are clearly not better off with no forward than we are with Kodjia. Absolute nonsense.
Would we have won on Saturday with Kodjia in the side?
No idea, maybe.We would have a better chance of winning tomorrow if he was in the side than a young kid and or someone out of position.
On the one hand you are saying that you do not know whether he would have improved the chance of winning in one match and then in another match he would give us a better chance.
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Puns aside I don't get how you can suggest he wouldn't be a viable option given the situation we're in. People are suggesting starting Vassilev - an 18-year-old midfielder with no starts under his belt - up front by himself. That's how bad things are. Even a disinterested Kodjia was clearly the best option available to us for tomorrow's game. But nah, we've sold him. More old rope off the books and a few quid in the bank, great.
He wasn't a viable option because, for whatever reason Smith didn't see him as one, hence the last few games he was on the books but didn't play. Another manager might have played him, if he wasn't ill he might have played but neither of those things is relevant because what has actually happened since new years day is he hasn't been a viable option and there's nothing to suggest that delaying the transfer by a week would've changed that.
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Possibly. He clearly wasn't ill.
On what basis? There seems to be a lot of speculation passed off as fact in this thread. Doesn't seem that unlikely that someone could be ill in January. Half my office have been off in the last couple of months.
I like Kodjia and don't actually blame him...if that's how it played out.
It was interesting timing though and if it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck.
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Apart from the two most recent matches which you have chosen to ignore because of some Wolvesesque reasoning that they shouldn't count. Presumably the goal was a different size when we played Liverpool.
We are clearly not better off with no forward than we are with Kodjia. Absolute nonsense.
Would we have won on Saturday with Kodjia in the side?
No idea, maybe.We would have a better chance of winning tomorrow if he was in the side than a young kid and or someone out of position.
his cameo against Burnley was the end for me. Useless. Rather have a youngster in the team who will at least give his all
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Well, it was a bunch of kids. May have not been the same kids.
Their line up against Everton was a lot stronger than what we faced. That's not to say it was anything like their strongest team which made them beating Everton amusing, but it wasn't a team full of 18 year olds either.
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Thanks kodjia for the service (when you could be bothered) never the same player after the injury.
Best of luck
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I will choose to remember the Jonathan Kodjia of the 16-17 season. His goal against Fulham, his brace against Norwich, he was one goal off breaking the 20 goal barrier before he got injured and was never the same after in attitude or work rate. He was probably the most exciting striker we had had since Yorke at that point in time. Good luck to him and as was said on the back of the Omnibus edition of Heroes and Villains in 2017, thanks a lot because without him we might have been in relegation trouble that season.
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Great first season albeit in a one dimensional Bruce side where his ability to demonstrate a little bit of magic was the mantra that is Bruceball.
After his injury a mid table Championship side. Given what we signed him for 3 and a 1/2 years ago
(£12m?) and selling him now when he’s clearly not part of Smiths plans (and doesn’t seem to want to try when given the chance) I think getting him off the wage bill probably saves us the best part of £1m for the rest of the season and books a small profit with FFP.
The fact we haven’t brought another striker in is irrelevant given as some have said Vassilev has looked more useful as an option.
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I will choose to remember the Jonathan Kodjia of the 16-17 season. His goal against Fulham, his brace against Norwich, he was one goal off breaking the 20 goal barrier before he got injured and was never the same after in attitude or work rate. He was probably the most exciting striker we had had since Yorke at that point in time. Good luck to him and as was said on the back of the Omnibus edition of Heroes and Villains in 2017, thanks a lot because without him we might have been in relegation trouble that season.
As you say, remember the good times and move on. Never the same after that injury for whatever reason. In truth, it would probably have been better if he had gone at the end of last season but going now is best for the Club and the player.
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It was a great first season, getting injured was a blow, made some important contributions in getting us up but he lost interest and got frustrated as his first team opportunities were limited and I just don’t think his body will do the things he used to be able to do. Good luck Kodj.
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DS not pulling his punches:
https://twitter.com/villareport/status/1219387687691542528
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Dean Smith: “Why was Kodjia sold? Because he wasn't up to the standard, in my opinion. He hadn't got to the level of fitness that, for me, was required for the Premier League. That's the minimum standard to play Premier League football.” [birmingham live] #avfc
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Is that a real quote?! Never heard a manager talk in such terms.
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Is that a real quote?! Never heard a manager talk in such terms.
I think so. I think that account just aggregates content from online news sources.
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When asked about why he let the striker go, Smith said: "Because he wasn't up to the standard, in my opinion. He hadn't got to the level of fitness that, for me, was required for the Premier League. That's the minimum standard to play Premier League football."
Kodjia had played just 111 minutes of Premier League football this term. He scored nine goals during Villa's promotion season last term but, this season, struggled for form and fitness - and played second-fiddle to Brazilian striker Wesley.
"One, he didn’t get the minutes," Smith replied, when asked why Kodjia's fitness hadn't been up to scratch. "He got injured against Spurs after coming on and he was out for a month or two.
"He had to work very hard, he didn’t have a pre-season due to the African Cup of Nations and then an injury followed. He’s had to work very hard to get to the levels and, due to Wesley playing, he’s not had the minutes to get up to speed with games."
Smith added: "Unfortunately, he wanted to move on and I was happy to let that happen. He left the training ground ill before the Leicester City game, there was no problem, it was just circumstances.
"Kodjia did well for me in the Championship but he always knew Tammy (Abraham) was No.1 choice. When Tammy got injured, he stepped up to the plate and scored some important goals for us last season."
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Totally understand the problem with a player not having the required level of fitness for this level, however.... *looks at most of the rest of the squad*
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Totally understand the problem with a player not having the required level of fitness for this level, however.... *looks at most of the rest of the squad*
Ha!
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DS not pulling his punches:
https://twitter.com/villareport/status/1219387687691542528
villareport
@villareport
Dean Smith: “Why was Kodjia sold? Because he wasn't up to the standard, in my opinion. He hadn't got to the level of fitness that, for me, was required for the Premier League. That's the minimum standard to play Premier League football.” [birmingham live] #avfc
I must say that's pretty fucking ironic coming from a man who insists on playing a clearly unfit and out of his depth Danny Drinkwater in order to, eventually, at some point, maybe, get him match fit for another club.
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DS not pulling his punches:
https://twitter.com/villareport/status/1219387687691542528
villareport
@villareport
Dean Smith: “Why was Kodjia sold? Because he wasn't up to the standard, in my opinion. He hadn't got to the level of fitness that, for me, was required for the Premier League. That's the minimum standard to play Premier League football.” [birmingham live] #avfc
I must say that's pretty fucking ironic coming from a man who insists on playing a clearly unfit and out of his depth Danny Drinkwater in order to, eventually, at some point, maybe, get him match fit for another club.
That, too.
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DS not pulling his punches:
https://twitter.com/villareport/status/1219387687691542528
villareport
@villareport
Dean Smith: “Why was Kodjia sold? Because he wasn't up to the standard, in my opinion. He hadn't got to the level of fitness that, for me, was required for the Premier League. That's the minimum standard to play Premier League football.” [birmingham live] #avfc
I must say that's pretty fucking ironic coming from a man who insists on playing a clearly unfit and out of his depth Danny Drinkwater in order to, eventually, at some point, maybe, get him match fit for another club.
And a man with access to the confidential fitness data.
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DS not pulling his punches:
https://twitter.com/villareport/status/1219387687691542528
villareport
@villareport
Dean Smith: “Why was Kodjia sold? Because he wasn't up to the standard, in my opinion. He hadn't got to the level of fitness that, for me, was required for the Premier League. That's the minimum standard to play Premier League football.” [birmingham live] #avfc
I must say that's pretty fucking ironic coming from a man who insists on playing a clearly unfit and out of his depth Danny Drinkwater in order to, eventually, at some point, maybe, get him match fit for another club.
Read the whole story.
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Kodjia certainly did himself no favours in his, admittedly small, appearances this season. From a managers point of view, it was probably only Davis’s injury that meant he played again after costing us the game against Liverpool.
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DS not pulling his punches:
https://twitter.com/villareport/status/1219387687691542528
villareport
@villareport
Dean Smith: “Why was Kodjia sold? Because he wasn't up to the standard, in my opinion. He hadn't got to the level of fitness that, for me, was required for the Premier League. That's the minimum standard to play Premier League football.” [birmingham live] #avfc
I must say that's pretty fucking ironic coming from a man who insists on playing a clearly unfit and out of his depth Danny Drinkwater in order to, eventually, at some point, maybe, get him match fit for another club.
Read the whole story.
I did.
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The safest option, saying nothing, is not generally available so the next safest is saying fitness issue.
Kodjia was up to premier league standard ability wise and skill level fine.
Good bye and good luck to him.
Quality player
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DS not pulling his punches:
https://twitter.com/villareport/status/1219387687691542528
villareport
@villareport
Dean Smith: “Why was Kodjia sold? Because he wasn't up to the standard, in my opinion. He hadn't got to the level of fitness that, for me, was required for the Premier League. That's the minimum standard to play Premier League football.” [birmingham live] #avfc
I must say that's pretty fucking ironic coming from a man who insists on playing a clearly unfit and out of his depth Danny Drinkwater in order to, eventually, at some point, maybe, get him match fit for another club.
Read the whole story.
I did.
And still chose to use the sensationalist, click-baiting bit of it.
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DS not pulling his punches:
https://twitter.com/villareport/status/1219387687691542528
villareport
@villareport
Dean Smith: “Why was Kodjia sold? Because he wasn't up to the standard, in my opinion. He hadn't got to the level of fitness that, for me, was required for the Premier League. That's the minimum standard to play Premier League football.” [birmingham live] #avfc
I must say that's pretty fucking ironic coming from a man who insists on playing a clearly unfit and out of his depth Danny Drinkwater in order to, eventually, at some point, maybe, get him match fit for another club.
Deano showing his naivety there. There are others like Lansbury who that charge could easily be thrown at too.
Not disagreeing on him regarding Kodjia, mind. Should have let him go in the summer, was clear he was barely up to championship standard for a finish (not the only one..). Making him backup striker to a completely unproven Wesley was a dreadful decision and one that has us currently playing without a striker for the most critical games of the season.
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DS not pulling his punches:
https://twitter.com/villareport/status/1219387687691542528
villareport
@villareport
Dean Smith: “Why was Kodjia sold? Because he wasn't up to the standard, in my opinion. He hadn't got to the level of fitness that, for me, was required for the Premier League. That's the minimum standard to play Premier League football.” [birmingham live] #avfc
I must say that's pretty fucking ironic coming from a man who insists on playing a clearly unfit and out of his depth Danny Drinkwater in order to, eventually, at some point, maybe, get him match fit for another club.
Read the whole story.
I did.
And still chose to use the sensationalist, click-baiting bit of it.
He said the words. It's not exactly a tabloid spin, is it, those are direct quotes. They're within context also, they haven't been misconstrued in abstraction. He's come out with a load of nonsense that's plainly incongruous with not just one, but a number of decisions he has made in the recent past.
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Kodja was an undisciplined maverick who played for himself. You can tell he was unreachable. He could not defend and left us exposed at set pieces. Was it the Liverpool goals that he had a hand in which cost us the game?
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Kodja was an undisciplined maverick who played for himself. You can tell he was unreachable. He could not defend and left us exposed at set pieces. Was it the Liverpool goals that he had a hand in which cost us the game?
He let Mane go for the winner.
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Maybe some of our defenders could have kept an eye on their most dangerous player.
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Whatever DS has said or implied is all the more reason why we should have gone with an extra striker in the summer especially if Kodjia was 1 of the 3 inexperienced PL strikers Deano; Suso and Purslow were hanging their hats on. I hope also DS is not using a "distraction" ahead of another big game without a playable striker despite it being 21st Jan to take the focus away from certain other individuals within the club. It's not as though DS is saying or implying anything new after all.
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DS not pulling his punches:
https://twitter.com/villareport/status/1219387687691542528
villareport
@villareport
Dean Smith: “Why was Kodjia sold? Because he wasn't up to the standard, in my opinion. He hadn't got to the level of fitness that, for me, was required for the Premier League. That's the minimum standard to play Premier League football.” [birmingham live] #avfc
I must say that's pretty fucking ironic coming from a man who insists on playing a clearly unfit and out of his depth Danny Drinkwater in order to, eventually, at some point, maybe, get him match fit for another club.
I guess it's all about opinion. But Drinkwater has won the league, as an integral part of his team. That doesn't happen by accident.
As far as getting him match fit, it's clear, reading between the lines, that Kodjia just didn't work hard enough to be ready. I'd guess that Drinkwater is working hard and his current fitness levels would be monitored. It's not getting him fit for another club, it's getting him fit for our run in.
Given that our midfield, without McGinn especially, has looked light, then someone like Drinkwater should do well.
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DS not pulling his punches:
https://twitter.com/villareport/status/1219387687691542528
villareport
@villareport
Dean Smith: “Why was Kodjia sold? Because he wasn't up to the standard, in my opinion. He hadn't got to the level of fitness that, for me, was required for the Premier League. That's the minimum standard to play Premier League football.” [birmingham live] #avfc
I must say that's pretty fucking ironic coming from a man who insists on playing a clearly unfit and out of his depth Danny Drinkwater in order to, eventually, at some point, maybe, get him match fit for another club.
Read the whole story.
I did.
And still chose to use the sensationalist, click-baiting bit of it.
He said the words. It's not exactly a tabloid spin, is it, those are direct quotes. They're within context also, they haven't been misconstrued in abstraction. He's come out with a load of nonsense that's plainly incongruous with not just one, but a number of decisions he has made in the recent past.
He also said a lot more words that put a different light on the subject but which you ignored.
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DS not pulling his punches:
https://twitter.com/villareport/status/1219387687691542528
villareport
@villareport
Dean Smith: “Why was Kodjia sold? Because he wasn't up to the standard, in my opinion. He hadn't got to the level of fitness that, for me, was required for the Premier League. That's the minimum standard to play Premier League football.” [birmingham live] #avfc
I must say that's pretty fucking ironic coming from a man who insists on playing a clearly unfit and out of his depth Danny Drinkwater in order to, eventually, at some point, maybe, get him match fit for another club.
Read the whole story.
I did.
And still chose to use the sensationalist, click-baiting bit of it.
He said the words. It's not exactly a tabloid spin, is it, those are direct quotes. They're within context also, they haven't been misconstrued in abstraction. He's come out with a load of nonsense that's plainly incongruous with not just one, but a number of decisions he has made in the recent past.
He also said a lot more words that put a different light on the subject but which you ignored.
yes he also said he got injured and didn't get enough game time which would be an indication of why he couldn't get him up to premiership fitness
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He was injured, taken ill and then wanted to leave when the opportunity arose. But thst doesn't fit the narrative.
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Maybe some of our defenders could have kept an eye on their most dangerous player.
It was more his pathetic attempt to defend the near post from the corner. That, plus his half hearted effort for the seven or so minutes he was on the pitch, was pretty shameful.
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I'd have thought that Kodjia would have done everything he possibly could to get up to the required standard to play in the best league in the world.
But he was behind Abraham last season in the second tier, and below Wesley this. I guess it might have got him down a bit and then he wasn't as motivated as he could have been. You could argue the coaches could have done more I suppose, but as a player you shouldn't need it.
That he wanted to go to Qatar, when he could have gone to Forest shows to me that he would rather be a big fish in a small pond and that says everything, the best players in the world don't have that attitude, they know they have to earn it. (see Ronaldo C. Staying and practicing longer than anyone as an example).
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He was injured, taken ill and then wanted to leave when the opportunity arose. But thst doesn't fit the narrative.
I think the most important bit is the mention of AFCON. That meant he started pre-season late and then just never caught up with the squad for a few reasons. I don't see anything all that controversial in the entire quote.
The response of 'but the whole squad are unfit' is both entirely expected and, in my opinion, the sort of easy option to slag off the manager that comes out any time a team isn't playing as well as the fans want.
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(https://i.ibb.co/xJLp0Mw/0-Kodjia-tweet-PNG.png)
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(https://i.ibb.co/xJLp0Mw/0-Kodjia-tweet-PNG.png)
Classy tweet.
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DS not pulling his punches:
https://twitter.com/villareport/status/1219387687691542528
villareport
@villareport
Dean Smith: “Why was Kodjia sold? Because he wasn't up to the standard, in my opinion. He hadn't got to the level of fitness that, for me, was required for the Premier League. That's the minimum standard to play Premier League football.” [birmingham live] #avfc
I must say that's pretty fucking ironic coming from a man who insists on playing a clearly unfit and out of his depth Danny Drinkwater in order to, eventually, at some point, maybe, get him match fit for another club.
That, too.
And from a man who has not yet proved himself to be premier league standard.
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The safest option, saying nothing, is not generally available so the next safest is saying fitness issue.
Kodjia was up to premier league standard ability wise and skill level fine.
:o
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I don't care what the narrative was or is,
for me he was the weakest member of the squad and has now quite rightly been moved on
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I don't care what the narrative was or is,
for me he was the weakest member of the squad and has now quite rightly been moved on
Fuckin roit 'n all.
It's a football club, not Jackanory.
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I don't care what the narrative was or is,
for me he was the weakest member of the squad and has now quite rightly been moved on
Fuckin roit 'n all.
It's a football club, not Jackanory.
And yet with so few footballers.
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Hat-trick on Al Gharafa debut.
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Hat-trick on Al Gharafa debut.
Sign him up!
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Hat-trick on Al Gharafa debut.
Borrow him back?
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Empty seats m'lord!
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Told you we should have kept him
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I'm glad I don't have to listen to that commentator every week.
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There are some question marks over the defending...he’ll score hatfuls over there
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There are some question marks over the defending...he’ll score hatfuls over there
Why, was Micah playing?
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I'm glad I don't have to listen to that commentator every week.
I dunno its him or Jack Woodward.🤪
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I don’t think he was that bad.
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He’ll score 100 a season in the Arabian Under 12s 1 legged league he’s in.
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Scott Hogan would score three or four goals a season there, the standard is that bad.
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Scott Hogan would score three or four goals a season there, the standard is that bad.
I think Gabby could still play at that level.
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Steady on!
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Steady on!
It's true, but only in games against Al-Rayyan.
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Empty seats m'lord!
In fairness, they had a great turn out at the stadium across the road for the stoning.
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Yes and it would have been an even bigger crowd if they were stoning a woman for riding a bike
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Badgers nipples, gettem while they're hot.
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Go on JK!! Show em how it's done.
Couldn't help noticing he's dropped the guitar goal celebration (maybe not a bad thing).
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Badgers nipples, gettem while they're hot.
Hahaha! Superb.
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Damn, that's a bit tasty from Kodjia.
https://twitter.com/QSL_EN/status/1305204312562429952
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Damn, that's a bit tasty from Kodjia.
https://twitter.com/QSL_EN/status/1305204312562429952
Van Basten 1988!
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That's a beauty!
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Class. How has he been doing generally? Maybe we can swap him back for Samatta.
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Kodja’s injuries destroyed what was going to be a super career with us. He's more than capable of that kind of stuff. Also bear in mind he's playing now at a League 1 level,
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Kojja's injuries destroyed what was going to be a super career with us. He's more than capable of that kind of stuff. Also bear in mind he's playing now at a League 1 level,
Yep, losing a yard of pace at championship/premier league level is hard to recover from, at somewhere like Qatar it won't be making any difference and his obvious quality shines through.
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Damn, that's a bit tasty from Kodjia.
https://twitter.com/QSL_EN/status/1305204312562429952
Stunning!! Go on JK!
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Great strike to be fair.