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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Risso on August 05, 2016, 02:11:17 PM
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Seeing as Dr Xia's tweeting seems to be regular, and erm, "interesting" I thought they deserved their own thread. A couple of his latest:
"I truly hope all the followers won't ruin credits.Recon bought Villa seriously with fully conducted research not 4 chasing fashion toys."
which I assume is related to the buyers of the Bitters and the Dogheads, and
"Like this song called 'Hollow'Though: I don't wanna be the last man standing/I don't wanna be the lonely one..."
Dig at Holloway?
Anyway, I like him, and his vaguely insane Tweets.
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Seeing as Dr Xia's tweeting seems to be regular, and erm, "interesting" I thought they deserved their own thread. A couple of his latest:
"I truly hope all the followers won't ruin credits.Recon bought Villa seriously with fully conducted research not 4 chasing fashion toys."
which I assume is related to the buyers of the Bitters and the Dogheads, and
"Like this song called 'Hollow'Though: I don't wanna be the last man standing/I don't wanna be the lonely one..."
Dig at Holloway?
Anyway, I like him, and his vaguely insane Tweets.
I think a person is either sane or insane. I don't think it is possible to be vaguely insane. Although that doesn't stop me from liking the phrase.
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I like him too. Eccentric Chinese billionaire. What's not to like?
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I like him too Risso. He clearly cares and wants us to do well. I fear it will all come crashing down when we lose, but having a passionate owner talking to the fans openly is really great.
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An eccentric Chinese billionaire who wears £1000 Savile Row suits and Freeman Hardy and Willis shoes.
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He's my favourite Bond villain.
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We meet again Dr X.
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I am impressed by his tweets because Twitter is banned in China (although being somewhat wealthy he can probably afford a VPN), and also amazed by them and wish he would steer clear. I suppose he enjoys the thrill of skipping around the Great Firewall when the Party are not looking.
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Hes more exciting than Randy Lerner and his crazy tweets are ace.
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An eccentric Chinese billionaire who wears £1000 Savile Row suits and Freeman Hardy and Willis shoes.
My sister worked in Freeman Hardy and Willis in Northampton. Curtly Ambrose went in one day looking for a pair of size 14s.
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I think he is marvellous, and am enjoying working out who he is poking at each time he gets grumpy. Also very positive about the Villa. Far better than Randy and the general.
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Hopefully this time next year Tony will be aiming his barbs at Robbie Savage.
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An eccentric Chinese billionaire who wears £1000 Savile Row suits and Freeman Hardy and Willis shoes.
My sister worked in Freeman Hardy and Willis in Northampton. Curtly Ambrose went in one day looking for a pair of size 14s.
Did she ask him who they were for?
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Net cap of 58 thousand pounds / Sweat on their way down / Grey ports with customs bastards / Hang around like clowns / The uh-containers and their drivers / Bad indigestion / Bad bowel retention / Speed for their wages / Suntan, torn short sleeves
Crow’s feet are ingrained o n my face / And I’m living too late / Try to wash the black off my face / But it’s ingrained / And I’m living too late.
I'm eternally grateful/To my past influences/But they will not free me/I am not diseased/All the people ask me/How I wrote "Elastic Man"
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Net cap of 58 thousand pounds / Sweat on their way down / Grey ports with customs bastards / Hang around like clowns / The uh-containers and their drivers / Bad indigestion / Bad bowel retention / Speed for their wages / Suntan, torn short sleeves
Crow’s feet are ingrained o n my face / And I’m living too late / Try to wash the black off my face / But it’s ingrained / And I’m living too late.
I'm eternally grateful/To my past influences/But they will not free me/I am not diseased/All the people ask me/How I wrote "Elastic Man"
They should do a new version of this - The Fall featuring Dr Xia. It could be the new music for Villa to run out to.
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When my Dad got into a dispute with anybody (usually the neighbours) he would say, with a puff on his cigarette and a deadpan face, " you will be hearing from my solicitors Freeman Hardy and Willis".
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An eccentric Chinese billionaire who wears £1000 Savile Row suits and Freeman Hardy and Willis shoes.
Freeman hardy and Willis?
What a forward line that was.
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Net cap of 58 thousand pounds / Sweat on their way down / Grey ports with customs bastards / Hang around like clowns / The uh-containers and their drivers / Bad indigestion / Bad bowel retention / Speed for their wages / Suntan, torn short sleeves
Crow’s feet are ingrained o n my face / And I’m living too late / Try to wash the black off my face / But it’s ingrained / And I’m living too late.
I'm eternally grateful/To my past influences/But they will not free me/I am not diseased/All the people ask me/How I wrote "Elastic Man"
They should do a new version of this - The Fall featuring Dr Xia. It could be the new music for Villa to run out to.
I would love Villa to run out to The Fall!
Slang King would be my choice...
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An eccentric Chinese billionaire who wears £1000 Savile Row suits and Freeman Hardy and Willis shoes.
Freeman hardy and Willis?
What a forward line that was.
I once convinced a Brummie Red who drank in my local that Earth Wind And Fire were named after the nicknames of Best, Law and Charlton. It was several weeks later when he asked me if I was sure as nobody else he had spoken to seemed to be aware of this 'fact'.
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An eccentric Chinese billionaire who wears £1000 Savile Row suits and Freeman Hardy and Willis shoes.
Freeman hardy and Willis?
What a forward line that was.
Quiz question: who were Death and Glory?
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I like Tony's tweets very interesting.
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An eccentric Chinese billionaire who wears £1000 Savile Row suits and Freeman Hardy and Willis shoes.
Freeman hardy and Willis?
What a forward line that was.
The joys of such activities with gullable mates have been quashed by bastard Google.
I once convinced a Brummie Red who drank in my local that Earth Wind And Fire were named after the nicknames of Best, Law and Charlton. It was several weeks later when he asked me if I was sure as nobody else he had spoken to seemed to be aware of this 'fact'.
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An eccentric Chinese billionaire who wears £1000 Savile Row suits and Freeman Hardy and Willis shoes.
Freeman hardy and Willis?
What a forward line that was.
Quiz question: who were Death and Glory?
Was there once a player called Gary Death? It seems to ring a faint bell in my mind. I will just take a flyer and say Tony Glory. Were they a forward line partnership for a lower division side?
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An eccentric Chinese billionaire who wears £1000 Savile Row suits and Freeman Hardy and Willis shoes.
Freeman hardy and Willis?
What a forward line that was.
Quiz question: who were Death and Glory?
Was there once a player called Gary Death? It seems to ring a faint bell in my mind. I will just take a flyer and say Tony Glory. Were they a forward line partnership for a lower division side?
Steve De'Ath (I remember him as) Reading https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Death
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It would appear I have just made up 'Gary Death'. If you Google 'him' you just get stories about Gary Speed and Gary Coleman.
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There was a (failed, can't imagine why) a brand of ciggies called Death.
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His reaction to RM confirmed.
Dr. Tony Xia (@Dr_TonyXia)
03/08/2016, 19:03
Goooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooppppoooo,UTV!👏🏻
Dr. Tony Xia (@Dr_TonyXia)
30/07/2016, 15:33
I can tell one thing that RDM said that we have had many talents just with wrong management!
Reaction to question about whether Bacuna should be given a second chance.
Dr. Tony Xia (@Dr_TonyXia)
05/08/2016, 16:22
Lets all forget the past, everyone makes mistakes when young. I'd ask all fans give applause for all to a new start!
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His reaction to RM confirmed.
Dr. Tony Xia (@Dr_TonyXia)
03/08/2016, 19:03
Goooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooppppoooo,UTV!👏🏻
Dr. Tony Xia (@Dr_TonyXia)
30/07/2016, 15:33
I can tell one thing that RDM said that we have had many talents just with wrong management!
Reaction to question about whether Bacuna should be given a second chance.
Dr. Tony Xia (@Dr_TonyXia)
05/08/2016, 16:22
Lets all forget the past, everyone makes mistakes when young. I'd ask all fans give applause for all to a new start!
Seems sensible to me. Whatever happened in the past continuing to boo players now is completely counter productive. There needs to be a positive attitude at all levels of the club moving forward.
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Hmmm... when Bacuna inanely grins as another of the opposition's players runs past him unchallenged I might refrain from applauding.
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Hmmm... when Bacuna inanely grins as another of the opposition's players runs past him unchallenged I might refrain from applauding.
Yes, my ''beef'' with Bacuna isn't that he's a grinning buffoon, it's that he's a crap, grinning buffoon.
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Poking at the Newcastle result now, quality popcorn post.
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His post was a jibe at Holloway again, not Newcastle, although their fans have been lovely and racist to him in response.
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I really wish somebody would hide Twitter from him, if he was the owner of any other club I'm fairly certain everybody on here would be saying what a dick he is.
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His latest:-
Dr. Tony Xia @Dr_TonyXia 2m minutes ago
My motto, I hope our new team would agree: We can stand up to die, we can't be knocked down. Not only FightLikeLions, Fight as A True MAN!
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Dr. Tony Xia (@Dr_TonyXia)
05/08/2016, 22:26
My motto, I hope our new team would agree: We can stand up to die, we can't be knocked down. Not only FightLikeLions, Fight as A True MAN!
I think he is really enjoying this new tweety thing.
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I really wish somebody would hide Twitter from him, if he was the owner of any other club I'm fairly certain everybody on here would be saying what a dick he is.
I agree wholeheartedly.
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I really wish somebody would hide Twitter from him, if he was the owner of any other club I'm fairly certain everybody on here would be saying what a dick he is.
Whilst in the context of things to get annoyed about over the last few years this is nothing, I agree with this and forecast it will stop being amusing once the novelty wears off
Just because Lerner said nothing other than a handful of baffling, rambling press releases does not mean that the exact other end of the scale is any better.
You're the chairman of Aston Villa. This is culturally importsnt, a different level altogether to those that buy insignificant piss pot clubs like Albion.
Show the appropriate level of class, please.
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I really wish somebody would hide Twitter from him, if he was the owner of any other club I'm fairly certain everybody on here would be saying what a dick he is.
I don't think anybody is going to be hiding anything from him anytime soon. He knows what he is doing, and his audience is not us.
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I really wish somebody would hide Twitter from him, if he was the owner of any other club I'm fairly certain everybody on here would be saying what a dick he is.
I don't think anybody is going to be hiding anything from him anytime soon. He knows what he is doing, and his audience is not us.
Dr. Tony Xia @Dr_TonyXia Jul 28
The only reason I tweet is for Villa fans get more understanding&knowing we'll try everything hard to get Villa back.We share the same love.
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An eccentric Chinese billionaire who wears £1000 Savile Row suits and Freeman Hardy and Willis shoes.
Freeman hardy and Willis?
What a forward line that was.
Quiz question: who were Death and Glory?
Smart and Mort
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I really wish somebody would hide Twitter from him, if he was the owner of any other club I'm fairly certain everybody on here would be saying what a dick he is.
I don't think anybody is going to be hiding anything from him anytime soon. He knows what he is doing, and his audience is not us.
Dr. Tony Xia @Dr_TonyXia Jul 28
The only reason I tweet is for Villa fans get more understanding&knowing we'll try everything hard to get Villa back.We share the same love.
See I just like that positivity. I don't care if it's naive.
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He wrote on Twitter: "So, really need to ignore someone's kinda predicts. Trust in ourselves! UTV!"
Read more at http://www.insidefutbol.com/2016/08/05/so-much-for-predictions-aston-villa-owner-takes-swipe-at-newcastle-after-defeat/298487/#c3zE7CyTYVG5yDBE.99
The press are saying this is a dig at Newcastle. Pathetic. It's quite rightly a dig at that nauseating Pratt Gollum.
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I really wish somebody would hide Twitter from him, if he was the owner of any other club I'm fairly certain everybody on here would be saying what a dick he is.
I don't think anybody is going to be hiding anything from him anytime soon. He knows what he is doing, and his audience is not us.
Dr. Tony Xia @Dr_TonyXia Jul 28
The only reason I tweet is for Villa fans get more understanding&knowing we'll try everything hard to get Villa back.We share the same love.
He is thinking of millions of Asian fans in the making. I could be wrong.
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Sod it. Let's go on the front foot. Ron Saunders "do you want to bet against us"? BFR on his appointment on BRMB when they asked him if he wanted to emulate Small Heath by winning a cup and he replied that he didn't want to win the Leyland Daf Windscreen shield cup because it would involve being relegated first! Graham Taylor saying we were a shambles. We had a hands on owner in Doug and a hands off owner in Randy. I think I prefer a hands on owner. I don't like a bloke that doesn't turn up every other week even though he has a private jet when I can manage to get my arse down there by putting petrol in my car.
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Fuck the haters, he's our Tony, one of us.
(I reserve the right to withdraw this comment at a later stage, terms and conditions very much included!)
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I think that Lerner had the best of intentions and I know that his marriage/family issues complicated things regarding spending more time in England but I can't help thinking he was a spoilt little rich boy using us like a toy With daddy's money. I seem to remember American football fans flagging up a few issues when he took over.
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Randy never spoke therefore gave the impression he didn't care. This attitude was the driver of a lot of the 'don't give a toss' attitude that has engulfed the club over the last few years.
Tony is saying some pretty toe curling things but he's defending us against no Mark gob shites in the media something we've been crying out for for years.
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I like it. As has been said, it's not life or death stuff, it's football, piss taking is part of the fun.
Tony Xia is new to supporting Villa, he hasn't experienced the flip side of piss taking when it gets thrown back in your face, we all know it will happen, he doesn't yet.
I'm just enjoying his enthusiasm, if it winds up a few journos, or ex players or managers along the way, so be it.
I wouldn't want RDM doing it, but an eccentric multi millionaire chairman?
Come on it's great.
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Tony writes a bit like erstwhile poster "Sarunyu". I fully expect him to tweet "Tomorrow we are hard in taggle; we funeral Wednesday."
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We've been a walkover and a target for every so called expert & the media for too long. I've no problem with him fighting our corner.
But the best way to answer is by what happens on the pitch.
I'm happy for us to cheat, con & use everything to our advantage. I'm sick to death of us being a pushover. Fuck the fuckers.
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Tony writes a bit like erstwhile poster "Sarunyu". I fully expect him to tweet "Tomorrow we are hard in taggle; we funeral Wednesday."
It is ugsome in the Urals, but we will safeguard the Tatleys and march forward to the Malverns. The Brecons beckon and Snowdownia will soon be ours.
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I'm happy for us to cheat, con & use everything to our advantage. I'm sick to death of us being a pushover. Fuck the fuckers.
Do you reckon we could get Tony to tweet "Fuck the fuckers"? That'd be awesome.
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I'd rather he just got a tattoo and stopped making such a tit of himself.
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Tony writes a bit like erstwhile poster "Sarunyu". I fully expect him to tweet "Tomorrow we are hard in taggle; we funeral Wednesday."
It is ugsome in the Urals, but we will safeguard the Tatleys and march forward to the Malverns. The Brecons beckon and Snowdownia will soon be ours.
Rock 'round the Wrekin.
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Saranyu was great.
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Saranyu was great.
My favourite ever poster
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We are too slow and inaccurate compare to them.
Anyway No Penalty. It is DRIVE
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We are too slow and inaccurate compare to them.
Anyway No Penalty. It is DRIVE
True Manc Hero
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Like it Darren. Wednesday we furenal tomorrow.
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I think people should appreciate and respect the info Dr xia is sharing with the fans. Certainly he's up to date with things and being genuine . It's because he's a younger owner than most he has his knob on the buttons to communicate. I also think it's good he has only 140 characters to express consice quips and snippets . It really is brilliant marketing and pr by the man himself. He's saying how he feels and is being honest and genuine . Good stuff from what I'm reading . Mixing in and being like a fan but also speaking sense and shearing titsbits
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It's because he's a younger owner than most he has his knob on the buttons to communicate.
(https://rogermooresmovienation.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/williams.jpg)
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I think people should appreciate and respect the info Dr xia is sharing with the fans. Certainly he's up to date with things and being genuine . It's because he's a younger owner than most he has his knob on the buttons to communicate. I also think it's good he has only 140 characters to express consice quips and snippets . It really is brilliant marketing and pr by the man himself. He's saying how he feels and is being honest and genuine . Good stuff from what I'm reading . Mixing in and being like a fan but also speaking sense and shearing titsbits
If thats what he uses to type, then it explains why his spelling isnt much good
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Footyskillz has reached that sweet spot where he's dishing out wonderfully irreverent phrases without teetering into parody. Have to be careful that his form doesn't attract attention from the money being thrown around at Villatalk and TBAR though. We have to hold onto him if we're going to get promoted.
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If he suddenly goes quiet, Krulak style, i'll think something's gone wrong.
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Although I enjoy big Tone's tweets, this will clearly end in tears at some point.
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Expect a tweet from Tony. #footyskillz going nowhere. TBAR + Villatalk Butt out#
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Although I enjoy big Tone's tweets, this will clearly end in tears at some point.
I don't know, I get the feeling he knows what he's doing. When he drops a bollock he simply apologises, clarifies or deletes his post and moves on quickly. He ignores the inevitable abusive tweets quite neatly too. I think we forget that he has been running a similar account for a while in China.
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Tony has got what Americans call "fuck you money". Holloway please note.
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Recent tweets say 7/8 players coming in, we have 3 bids out and are trying to get 2 in on loan. He's also conversing with a Toon fan about turning opposing fans into Villa fans.
"Football doesn't work like that" says Toon fan.
"Everything can change in 21st" says Tone.
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Tony has got what Americans call "fuck you money". Holloway please note.
Where's the proof of his wealth? He doesn't seem to be on any Forbes wealth list of the Chinese equivalent. I'm not doubting it, I'm just wondering where his money comes from and how much he's worth.
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Football doesn't work like that? It does in Cheltenham, up to a certain age I suppose. One of my son's friends (aged 12) has gone from Liverpool to Tottenham to Man City in the 5 or 6 years I've known him. The best part is his dad's a born and bred Leicester boy so he may have changed to them now, haven't seen him for a few weeks. So Tone may be right.
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Tony has got what Americans call "fuck you money". Holloway please note.
Where's the proof of his wealth? He doesn't seem to be on any Forbes wealth list of the Chinese equivalent. I'm not doubting it, I'm just wondering where his money comes from and how much he's worth.
I'm actually kind of glad he's not on some list. What he does in actuality is far important. I remember when QPR were being backed by one of the Mittal's and the assumption was they were going to be absolutely minted. Doesn't always really work out like that.
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SH it does not matter whether you have got it or not. All that matters is whether the people you are trying to get the better of think you might have it. The richest woman in this country is HMQ. If you looked in her handbag you would see a lipstick, a pair of reading glasses a packet of tissues and a few losing betting slips.
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And a corgi shaped dildo.
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SH it does not matter whether you have got it or not. All that matters is whether the people you are trying to get the better of think you might have it. The richest woman in this country is HMQ. If you looked in her handbag you would see a lipstick, a pair of reading glasses a packet of tissues and a few losing betting slips.
Meant to ask where you were when you got the chance to look in Liz's handbag ? :)
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SH it does not matter whether you have got it or not. All that matters is whether the people you are trying to get the better of think you might have it. The richest woman in this country is HMQ. If you looked in her handbag you would see a lipstick, a pair of reading glasses a packet of tissues and a few losing betting slips.
Or as Paul Getty said - "When you see me riding a bike I'm fine. The time to worry is when you see me driving a Rolls Royce."
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And a corgi shaped dildo.
MI5 have you tagged.
Well, they do now that dive mentioned them...
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There's a picture on his Twitter of a bleary-looking Dr X and a delighted young Villan at a service station en route to Sheffield. I don't know why, but it's really made me smile. He's a character, is Our Tone.
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There's a picture on his Twitter of a bleary-looking Dr X and a delighted young Villan at a service station en route to Sheffield. I don't know why, but it's really made me smile. He's a character, is Our Tone.
Big Tone 8)
I like him.
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(https://s7.postimg.org/o8l8pja1z/tone.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/o8l8pja1z/)
Looks like he's been on the sauce
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He may have just flown in from China
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He tweeted a picture of London yesterday. But clothing style isn't what he does best
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He's having a blast and good for him. And while the Twitter thing has flown close to the sun a few times he's generally not said or done much that is hat controversial. And I include him calling out that oik Holloway in that.
He took over the club and has done pretty much what he said he would do. He's backed the manager with money some people said didn't exist. He's aided the manager to move certain players on too. The club feels the calmest it has done in a very long time behind the scenes and a lot of that is down to how the club is now structured with Wyness being very involved. There's a million miles to go and everyone knows what happens on the pitch is all that matters in the end. But in terms of starts its been good and he's played a big part in that.
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He has just blinked when the shutter went off. That or he's had 8 pints of Tennant's Super.
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He tweeted a picture of London yesterday. But clothing style isn't what he does best
He's no Zogbia though.
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He tweeted a picture of London yesterday. But clothing style isn't what he does best
He's no Zogbia though.
I thought Tony looked like a sophisticated holte upper chap, rather Dapper.
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Keeps the shoes out of shot mind.
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I'd rather he keep his head down and do his talking in the boardroom.
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The social media all part and parcel of the biz. Like players and other people /personalities some are all over it and using effectively / mercilessly / annoyingly. Whilst others choose not to inform /show off /share as much. What I think is only issue are players on Twitter being hauled up for things but I imagine a code of conduct after last season fiasco by some on on social media. Tony xia is using social media superbly and fair play to him. It gives a touch of fandom. I think of the manager rdm was tweeting be more an issue. I think the chant 'he tweets what he likes ' should be chanted in appreciation to the man.
"He tweets what he likes. He tweets what he likess! Tony xia he tweets what he likes"
Or maybe he tweets what he wants but you get me like !
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Very exciting news for fans: very close to a deal with the mid! Hopefully b4 Saturday!
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Keeps the shoes out of shot mind.
I saw a picture of him at a service station after Saturdays game, he looked like he'd invested in a new pair. Good lad.
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I'd rather he keep his head down and do his talking in the boardroom.
I think he's doing that quite well and why can't he do both? My issue is to what extent does he engage and where does he draw the line one terms of content? At what does genuine engagement and openness become what it turned into with the General? Dealing with season tickets not showing up for example isn't the path he wants to take with this.
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The mail have run a story about his tweets today:
Think back to those dark days during the Randy Lerner era.
The fans were revolting in the stands, stewards were wrestling banners of discontent from their hands.
The boos were constant, and the silence from Lerner was deafening.
On Sunday the stark contrast between the US tycoon and the man he handed the Villa Park keys to, could not have been more evident.
Chinese businessman Dr Tony Xia posed for pictures with fans at the ground, and even with a young fan outside a Burger King at the M6 services.
The days of the Villa hierarchy being a mystical gathering are long gone, the lines of communication are wide open and Xia wants to reunite the fans with the club.
His ethos has been none more apparent than on Twitter in recent weeks, speaking out on transfers, catering, broken links on the website, and even meeting fans for beer.
There have been times when he must have turned a few heads of hair grey I the Villa boardroom by stating which players were coming and going and how much would be spent.
Of course you wouldn’t have seen Randy behaving like this, but It’s not just an approach that is unfamiliar at Villa, you won’t find any other owner acting like this either.
It’s not common, and in many ways it’s just not seen as the done thing.
There have been frowns aplenty from fans, some telling him to get off social media, many simply believing it’s not him.
From the outside looking in, it’s actually exactly what Villa needed, the unconventional and often humorous tweets from the owner have helped to start to mend a seriously fractured football club.
The gleeful enthusiasm is balanced with a firm understanding of how badly the club has let the fans down.
The more cynical amongst you may think that here at the Mail we welcome the Dr’s comments because they are easy stories and great for headlines.
That’s true, they are, but we welcome them first and foremost because there is a transparency at Villa now that is to be admired.
Dr. Tony Xia ✔ @Dr_TonyXia
I don't care that ppl worried about my impoliteness as I have 2 protect our club&let ppl believe we are back&better https://twitter.com/theholtetweets/status/762547406395375617 (https://twitter.com/theholtetweets/status/762547406395375617) …
10:04 AM - 8 Aug 2016
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It has created a wave of optimism and given the fans a real sense of having someone to target their frustrations at.
What he has actually done is exploded the shroud of secrecy that surrounds football and replaced with frank, honest feedback and interaction.
The worst thing about being a football fan is when you feel under-valued, when you feel that the men in suits are just taking the money and not caring about the people paying at the turnstiles.
Dr. Tony Xia ✔ @Dr_TonyXia
Huh.....it was just nearly two months .....😊. Just give a little more time. https://twitter.com/onsitemidlands/status/762416706883035138 (https://twitter.com/onsitemidlands/status/762416706883035138) …
11:38 PM - 7 Aug 2016
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That is how the claret and blue army have felt in recent years, the relationship has disintegrated and the trust has eroded.
The fans aren't stupid, they know and Xia knows that the only place for action is on the pitch.
The key thing is though that this open and honest approach needs to spiral downwards, if Roberto Di Matteo and his men can act with the same determination and integrity that the owner clearly does, it won’t be a bad season.
Xia has brought unity to the claret and blue faithful, and if that is done through the power of social media, then we say ‘carry on tweeting Dr X!’
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I agree on the whole. At the moment it feels refreshing, although the results need to start coming through otherwise the Tweets will start to be viewed negatively.
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The Mail want him to carry on tweeting so it gives the lazy feckers something to write about.
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Has some wordsmith come up with a chant about Tony's tweets yet?
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Has some wordsmith come up with a chant about Tony's tweets yet?
Footyskillz has
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The Mail want him to carry on tweeting so it gives the lazy feckers something to write about.
They admit to it in that piece but it doesn't mean the rest of the article is wrong.
I agree on the whole. At the moment it feels refreshing, although the results need to start coming through otherwise the Tweets will start to be viewed negatively.
true but then if he was silent that would be true, or if we were getting highly polished press releases every few days it would still be true. Anything the board/chairman/owner does will be viewed through a prism based on results so I'm personally happier to see some genuine passion from the owner and some teeth and nails on show when people deserve it.
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Interesting one today, implying new midfielder in by Saturday
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Footyskillz is indeed a wordsmith. He described Jedinek as a brusier. I dont know what a brusier is but it sounds just what we need.
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Footyskillz is indeed a wordsmith. He described Jedinek as a brusier. I dont know what a brusier is but it sounds just what we need.
Well we already have a brassiere in Agbonlahor.
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Footyskillz is indeed a wordsmith. He described Jedinek as a brusier. I dont know what a brusier is but it sounds just what we need.
It sounds like something a fat lad might use to get away with wearing one of these figure hugging tops.
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Footyskillz is indeed a wordsmith. He described Jedinek as a brusier. I dont know what a brusier is but it sounds just what we need.
It sounds like something a fat lad might use to get away with wearing one of these figure hugging tops.
Like a device for keeping unruly tits in order.
Just what we need.
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The Mail want him to carry on tweeting :-) there's a shock a snoozepaper that has done no journalism for years are happy that Dr X will give them daily updates that they can turn into articles to click bait the Midlands. He should send them an invoice for doing their work for them
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Whatever a brusier is, it's a fine word. I shall use it in job interviews. The last gem of interview speak came from this forum. An unidentified possible problem may be defined as a "moving beast". "Mr Lambert, do you think you are enough of a brusier to deal with a moving beast?" Love it.
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I can't see what harm he's doing, I like him and his tweets, it;s positive and refreshing. So long as he's doing his job well, I don't care what others think of him.
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I can't see what harm he's doing, I like him and his tweets, it;s positive and refreshing. So long as he's doing his job well, I don't care what others think of him.
And it is not like he is going to offend anyone above him in the club.
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Footyskillz is indeed a wordsmith. He described Jedinek as a brusier. I dont know what a brusier is but it sounds just what we need.
It sounds like something a fat lad might use to get away with wearing one of these figure hugging tops.
Like a device for keeping unruly tits in order.
Just what we need.
One season too late?
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I'd say he'll be a nightmare to work for. Imagine him on the phone every day. Then tweeting we are going to sign this and that.
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I would rather we have tweeting Tony than randy who just wanted to be surrogate woman(or something like that)
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I'd say he'll be a nightmare to work for. Imagine him on the phone every day. Then tweeting we are going to sign this and that.
He doesn't give specifics as to the who, just that we are signing someone. Fans want to know our club is engaged in improving the playing staff. I like that we do the deal behind the scenes but our owner understands the need to communicate and raise supporter morale.
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Gollum seemed a bit sheepish on Sunday in the studio, backtracking a bit on things he'd said so Tony's tweets seemed to shut him up somewhat. Quite funny when Dr Tone came up on the screen and the presenter said "there's Ian Holloway's best friend". Dean Saunders thought it was funny, Gollum not so much.
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Also, even though many small things, people at Villa now see that the owner might personally respond to things that aren't done properly at the club - this puts all under more pressure to perform. For a club to succeed (IMO) all in the organisation have to pull in the right direction
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Latest tweet
Our basic principles 4 ins:1,mentality&character 1st priority;2,championship experience/premier is a+;
3;willing to fight for Villa!
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I'd rather he keep his head down and do his talking in the boardroom.
I think he's doing that quite well and why can't he do both? My issue is to what extent does he engage and where does he draw the line one terms of content? At what does genuine engagement and openness become what it turned into with the General? Dealing with season tickets not showing up for example isn't the path he wants to take with this.
I don't consider his needless and petty swipe at Holloway to be keeping his head down. I know that wasn't on twitter but the point stands. If it is just small tweets like pictures with supporters etc.. then its fine. Sometimes I just think social media is a dangerous thing for anyone involved at club level in football.
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Latest tweet
Our basic principles 4 ins:1,mentality&character 1st priority;2,championship experience/premier is a+;
3;willing to fight for Villa!
Morrison's out then.
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I'd rather he keep his head down and do his talking in the boardroom.
I think he's doing that quite well and why can't he do both? My issue is to what extent does he engage and where does he draw the line one terms of content? At what does genuine engagement and openness become what it turned into with the General? Dealing with season tickets not showing up for example isn't the path he wants to take with this.
I don't consider his needless and petty swipe at Holloway to be keeping his head down. I know that wasn't on twitter but the point stands. If it is just small tweets like pictures with supporters etc.. then its fine. Sometimes I just think social media is a dangerous thing for anyone involved at club level in football.
How was it petty? Holloway was ridiculously critical of the club, someone asked Xia for an opinion and he said the guy was a poor player and manager and is just as bad a pundit so his opinion doesn't mean much. That's not petty it's an honest response to a guy who decided to carry on sticking the boot in from last season.
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You have to think it's either Morrison out our that his character has improved etc.
Looks like a hint to someone else though.
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Is he allowed to talk about Hernandez like that?
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Is he allowed to talk about Hernandez like that?
Of course he is, what's wrong with it?
For context
Tweet to Xia:
Abel Hernandez saying he would not hesitate and accept if Villa came in for him, with a release clause of £10m come on @Dr_TonyXia
⚽️⚽️ #utv
Reply:
Unfortunately he doesn't have release clause and they don't have a manager!So don't shoutout...
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Is it Dusty Bin?
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From the club's twitter account:
.@Dr_TonyXia will be taking part in a @Twitter Q&A on Weds afternoon. Get your questions in using #AskTheChairman
Uh-oh. How could this possibly backfire?
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will it really be any different to what he is currently putting out on his own Twitter account? If anything it could be boring by comparison.
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will it really be any different to what he is currently putting out on his own Twitter account? If anything it could be boring by comparison.
It'll be lots and lots of fans of other clubs taking the piss, just like it is when other clubs do this gormless "ask us questions!" thing on twitter.
They never learn.
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He's going all out now, live Twitter Q&A tomorrow afternoon. Hope it doesn't funeral.
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The Joe Bennett Twitter Q&A was quite entertaining if I remember rightly.
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Not to mention the Grant Holt session: "How many pies can you eat in an hour?".
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The one where they had a rolling feed of #AVFC tweets on the OS was funny as well.
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Not to mention the Grant Holt session: "How many pies can you eat in an hour?".
Nothing will beat the one Rat Face did - here's a reminder of some of the best ones - http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/liverpool-winger-stewart-downing-gets-1751490
I still can't decide whether I prefer 'Do you know any footballer (except you) who is neither footed?' or 'If you were to transfer away from Liverpool, how many goats and cows would your new club receive in the dowry to take you?'!!
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QPR did an "#askharry" Twitter Q&A a few years ago when Redknapp was manager. Comedy gold, including a hilarious look-alike
http://footballburp.com/jokes/the-best-askharry-tweets-for-harry-redknapp/
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QPR did an "#askharry" Twitter Q&A a few years ago when Redknapp was manager. Comedy gold, including a hilarious look-alike
http://footballburp.com/jokes/the-best-askharry-tweets-for-harry-redknapp/
that is very funny, lolling at work
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QPR did an "#askharry" Twitter Q&A a few years ago when Redknapp was manager. Comedy gold, including a hilarious look-alike
http://footballburp.com/jokes/the-best-askharry-tweets-for-harry-redknapp/
I was wondering what that picture was, and then read the accompanying tweet, then when you look back at the picture...brilliant
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#AskTheChairman - Owls versus Gibbons, your thoughts ?
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Is it Dusty Bin?
Excellent!
Tank you for cheering me up on what so far has been a pretty shitty morning
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QPR did an "#askharry" Twitter Q&A a few years ago when Redknapp was manager. Comedy gold, including a hilarious look-alike
http://footballburp.com/jokes/the-best-askharry-tweets-for-harry-redknapp/
I was wondering what that picture was, and then read the accompanying tweet, then when you look back at the picture...brilliant
no wonder he's in the fackin' reserves!
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Best place to leave this I think.
Before the new Trinity was built was it possible to redevelop the magnificent old stand without destroying the façade? I know Rangers did this at Ibrox to their main stand and added a roof.
#AskH&V
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From the club's twitter account:
.@Dr_TonyXia will be taking part in a @Twitter Q&A on Weds afternoon. Get your questions in using #AskTheChairman
Uh-oh. How could this possibly backfire?
Can't say I'm that bothered considering Dr X is already as open as can be on Twitter. Virtually every day is a Q & A session with him.
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It doesn't look like people are being twats yet although there is time for this to change.
One person asking what his favourite sex position is.
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He's handling the questions well and I am sure there are moderators on hand to help him. It's no different to how he handles his own account really. The English is better so he's getting help or he's just taking more time. But either way these exercises for what they are worth remains a good way to stay in touch with the fans. It's a million miles from Lerner.
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Dr TONY is one of our own!!
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Ha! The headlines were never going to be far behind..
Aston Villa owner thinks club will be bigger than Barcelona & Man United in 5 years [Tweet]
Aston Villa’s owner Tony Xia is either hugely optimistic or completely deluded. We’ll leave it for you to decide which.
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He's handling the questions well and I am sure there are moderators on hand to help him. It's no different to how he handles his own account really. The English is better so he's getting help or he's just taking more time. But either way these exercises for what they are worth remains a good way to stay in touch with the fans. It's a million miles from Lerner.
Has anybody asked him where he buys his shoes?
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Is there a summary of the answers he gave to questions?
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The headlines were always going to twist what he said. He has lofty goals. Yes some like that one seem completely mental. But I would rather we reach for the stars and fall short trying than try to compete with the Charlton's and Wigan's of the world for players and our place in the game. Crystal Palace and West Ham are just lashing around the cash now so it's going to be bloody hard to compete once we get back up. But we should absolutely try to not only surpass them but go way beyond. That's all he's saying.
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He has really upped his dress style. Much better:)
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Is there a summary of the answers he gave to questions?
There's a piece in the B'ham Mail but I'm not linking.
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Ha! The headlines were never going to be far behind..
Aston Villa owner thinks club will be bigger than Barcelona & Man United in 5 years [Tweet]
Aston Villa’s owner Tony Xia is either hugely optimistic or completely deluded. We’ll leave it for you to decide which.
Bigger than Luton would be a start
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From Tony :
Even we agreed to take the LC match as checking game, some players are not worth being given chance.
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From Tony :
Even we agreed to take the LC match as checking game, some players are not worth being given chance.
Much as I agree with him, he needs to start acting more professional where this tweeting business is concerned.
It's just not grown up to be randomly tweeting this shit.
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I'm glad he tweeted it.
I want to know why it's taken so long for the scales to fall from their eyes.
I'd take getting beat 18-1 by Luton if it meant Richards, Okore, Hutton, Gardner etc never play for us again.
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I'd rather they just did something about it rather than engage in this slightly amateurish venting on twitter.
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From Tony :
Even we agreed to take the LC match as checking game, some players are not worth being given chance.
Blimey that's strong and after all these years it needs to be followed up.
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I'm hopeful they will in the full spirit of the Chinese justice system.
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I agree Paulie, and I admit that I have found his tweets helpful as he keeps us updated. We are not going to sign 8 new players in a week or so, therefore, the players that he and RDM are 'checking' on will still be needed until they are replaced. Sherwood did exactly the same and look how that turned out. He needs to stop the talking now and start the sanctioning of transfers. I had a feeling that RDM would use the fist few games to fully test the minerals f the players, which is why I think he played a strange side against Wednesday and made the changes he did tonight. Several have been tested and are clearly not up to it, haven't found their true level or are simply plain poor. Confidence is an issue, but there is nothing any side can do to stop you running or communicating. Villa simply give up when the chips are down.
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From Tony :
Even we agreed to take the LC match as checking game, some players are not worth being given chance.
Much as I agree with him, he needs to start acting more professional where this tweeting business is concerned.
It's just not grown up to be randomly tweeting this shit.
I agree. It's one things fans saying this stuff but he shouldn't just say that kind of thing in public. However thoroughly unacceptable tonight was, RDM has to manage this squad of players and that is going to make it harder for him.
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From Tony :
Even we agreed to take the LC match as checking game, some players are not worth being given chance.
Don't tell me - show me.
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What makes you think he's withheld on deals?
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I like it, he feels the same pain we do...and most importantly, he doesn't appear afraid to do something about it. It seems like he is trying to respect RDM's space, but I think if this losing streak continues much longer he's going to start pressuring RDM to effect change at a faster rate.
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He should at most be saying something like "an unacceptable result for Aston Villa". Which the manager and players should also be saying right now. However by saying what he has, he's going to potentially be alienating all the players, those we want to keep and those we end up stuck with when the window closes, as well as not exactly making the ones we want shot of saleable.
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He's a lightweight. If I were chairmen I'd be amturishly doing a live broadcast from Facebook with Micah Richards, a hessian bag and a watering can.
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Afraid of alienating Richards? They've lost 14 out of 15. It's never going to get any better for them.
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He's a lightweight. If I were chairmen I'd be amturishly doing a live broadcast from Facebook with Michael Richards, a hessian bag and a watering can.
Not a Seinfeld fan?
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Not a fan of Samsung's predictive text!
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If this is the kind of gung ho bloke we need to clear the decks without pissing around with second chances then I'll put up with some cringey Twitter output.
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From Tony :
Even we agreed to take the LC match as checking game, some players are not worth being given chance.
Don't tell me - show me.
What do you think the McCormack signing was? Did I imagine it?
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As long as he makes sensible football decisions I don't mind the tweeting.
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If this is the kind of gung ho bloke we need to clear the decks without pissing around with second chances then I'll put up with some cringey Twitter output.
Most of them are way past their second chance, I have lost count.
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The good Doctor's tweets are the least of our problems, to be fair.
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He should at most be saying something like "an unacceptable result for Aston Villa". Which the manager and players should also be saying right now. However by saying what he has, he's going to potentially be alienating all the players, those we want to keep and those we end up stuck with when the window closes, as well as not exactly making the ones we want shot of saleable.
I sort of agree with you but does it matter anymore
At the moment we are so far away from anything even half decent that Tony venting a bit on Twitter doesn't even raise my eyebrows about unprofessionalism when we are wallowing around in a massive bowl of pig shit nothing seems to matter much until we start to put things right on the pitch,
which at the moment is a long way off
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But to change it we need to shift players and not have the players we want, or are stuck with, being alienated by the owner. IMO that tweet by Tony isn't exactly the best way to go about it, no matter how much some of them deserve it after tonight.
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Is it any different to Agbonlahor being told he's got no future?
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From Tony :
Even we agreed to take the LC match as checking game, some players are not worth being given chance.
Don't tell me - show me.
What do you think the McCormack signing was? Did I imagine it?
exactly a real statement of intent
Elphick, Tshibola, Gollini also in
From the 15/16 shambles - we have quickly shifted Gueye, Clark, Sinclair, Guzan, Gil, Bennett and Sanchez
Seems like Lescott, Gabby, Veretout, Kozak and Traore have been told to get new clubs
Tonight, Hutton, Okore, Richards and Gardner will hopefully be told likewise and Cissokho should also be told to do one
its does require some quick signings in but cant fault the business so far or the management team put together
I'm looking forward to seeing our squad at the start of September, we might be thankful for tonight yet
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But to change it we need to shift players and not have the players we want, or are stuck with, being alienated by the owner. IMO that tweet by Tony isn't exactly the best way to go about it, no matter how much some of them deserve it after tonight.
They couldn't be any shitter regardless what Tony tweets. Utter wasters
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In a perverse way you could be right. Tonight may be the best result in two seasons if the outcome is we never suffer the likes of Richards, Okore, Gardner or Hutton again.
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But to change it we need to shift players and not have the players we want, or are stuck with, being alienated by the owner. IMO that tweet by Tony isn't exactly the best way to go about it, no matter how much some of them deserve it after tonight.
Your right it's not, I agree with your point
I suppose I'm just past caring about his fucking tweets,
I'm more concerned about my 8 year old crying his eyes out when the third goal went in and shouting that he hates Villa
Bastards, I hate the wankers as well at the moment
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Is it any different to Agbonlahor being told he's got no future?
Yes because one player was told that, and i'd like to think that even as big a tosser as he's been, Gabby was told man to man. And there's no way it alienates any other player because they wonder if a public tweet by the owner was aimed at them.
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From Tony :
Even we agreed to take the LC match as checking game, some players are not worth being given chance.
Don't tell me - show me.
What do you think the McCormack signing was? Did I imagine it?
exactly a real statement of intent
Elphick, Tshibola, Gollini also in
From the 15/16 shambles - we have quickly shifted Gueye, Clark, Sinclair, Guzan, Gil, Bennett and Sanchez
Seems like Lescott, Gabby, Veretout, Kozak and Traore have been told to get new clubs
Tonight, Hutton, Okore, Richards and Gardner will hopefully be told likewise and Cissokho should also be told to do one
its does require some quick signings in but cant fault the business so far or the management team put together
I'm looking forward to seeing our squad at the start of September, we might be thankful for tonight yet
That would leave us with about six players
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That would leave us with about six players
I'm taking my boots Saturday. I'm 46, smoke, overweight, unfit and haven't kicked a ball for over a decade. I'd still be more of a goal threat than Rudy or Gabby.
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Would we have less of a chance with six players?
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From Tony :
Even we agreed to take the LC match as checking game, some players are not worth being given chance.
He says how we all feel ! And he knows ! Perhaps the 7 changes were given the final chance salon and they knew so played without motions. As they don't like to be told. Good riddance we saw who needs to go was upsetting to lose but like others the good can come from eliminating the downtrodden players like Richards and hutton and the awful okore
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I reckon he'll have quit Twitter by the end of November.
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He's trying to say and do that right things. You can tell he's fucked off. But this can only go badly if things don't turn around quickly.
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The good Doctor's tweets are the least of our problems, to be fair.
They are, but I still think it is unwise for him to be taking such an open approach on social media.
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exactly a real statement of intent
Elphick, Tshibola, Gollini also in
From the 15/16 shambles - we have quickly shifted Gueye, Clark, Sinclair, Guzan, Gil, Bennett and Sanchez
Seems like Lescott, Gabby, Veretout, Kozak and Traore have been told to get new clubs
Tonight, Hutton, Okore, Richards and Gardner will hopefully be told likewise and Cissokho should also be told to do one
its does require some quick signings in but cant fault the business so far or the management team put together
I'm looking forward to seeing our squad at the start of September, we might be thankful for tonight yet
That.
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I suppose you have to find a balance. Doug would have turned up to the opening of a fridge door and given a five hour speech (mainly about himself). Randy was harder to track down than Lord Lucan or Shergar and now we have Dr T. I don't get involved in Facebook or Twitter but I suppose if he is getting involved in social media he is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't speak. But I think we all know that whatever he does or doesn't say it doesn't matter. If we are top of the league at Christmas he will be the best thing since sliced bread and if we are bottom he is a clown.
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I'm sure his intentions are good and the frankness is refreshing but I think he'd do well to retreat from social media a little.
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Damo - if we are bottom by Christmas looking a clown is the least of our problems.
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But to change it we need to shift players and not have the players we want, or are stuck with, being alienated by the owner. IMO that tweet by Tony isn't exactly the best way to go about it, no matter how much some of them deserve it after tonight.
They couldn't be any shitter regardless what Tony tweets. Utter wasters
Luton 3 Aston Villa 1. I don't see what Tony could say to make them look worse than that.
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From Tony :
Even we agreed to take the LC match as checking game, some players are not worth being given chance.
Don't tell me - show me.
What do you think the McCormack signing was? Did I imagine it?
exactly a real statement of intent
Elphick, Tshibola, Gollini also in
From the 15/16 shambles - we have quickly shifted Gueye, Clark, Sinclair, Guzan, Gil, Bennett and Sanchez
Seems like Lescott, Gabby, Veretout, Kozak and Traore have been told to get new clubs
Tonight, Hutton, Okore, Richards and Gardner will hopefully be told likewise and Cissokho should also be told to do one
its does require some quick signings in but cant fault the business so far or the management team put together
I'm looking forward to seeing our squad at the start of September, we might be thankful for tonight yet
That would leave us with about six players
and three of them are Gestede , bacuana and Westwood ....
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I'm sure his intentions are good and the frankness is refreshing but I think he'd do well to retreat from social media a little.
Yes ultimately it won't end well
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just heard Tony's considering taking a leaf out of Hull's book and rebranding the club . Several names are under consideration but his preferred option is Titanic FC
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An open goal for The Fiver...
XIA, XIA GOT FLOORED
Generally speaking, when the owner of a club is on Twitter and actually engages with the great unwashed keyboard jabbers out there, only bad can come of it. They will almost inevitably get themselves involved with some sort of highly unedifying slanging match, will say something stupid or, even worse, actually listen to the opinions being belched incoherently at them. Still, sometimes it can provide amusement for the rest of us, and new Aston Villa owner Tony Xia could not have timed his foray on to the world wide web better.
On Wednesday afternoon Xia took part in an official Twitter Q&A, the sort of thing where usually only the most banal queries are answered in the most banal and uncontroversial manner possible, so as to give the impression of communicating with the people without actually saying anything of note. That’s the plan, anyway. But in answer to the question “where do you see Villa in five years’ time?” posed by an unwitting chap named Sam, Xia answered: “The top club in Europe with the highest number of fans all over the world.”
Cut to a few hours later, and his Villa side, featuring a number of players with years of top-flight experience (admittedly, experience of being no good there, but still), found themselves on the ugly end of a thorough 3-1 hosing by Luton in the Milk Cup. Following up their opening weekend Championship defeat to Sheffield Wednesday, Villa found themselves flapping and floundering, their season having started with all the gusto and vim of an overcooked flan. Sitcom writers could not have crafted the whole thing better. Needless to say, Xia wasn’t quite as chirpy after the game, locating the nearest moving bus and firmly chucking an indeterminate number of his underperforming players under it. “Even we agreed to take the LC match as checking game, some players are not worth being given chance,” he howled.
Still, it’s good to see manager Bobby Di Matteo has got a handle on things and has used his years of experience in the game to pinpoint exactly how they conceded three goals to a League Two side. “We will have to make sure we defend better,” he sagely mused, possibly while swilling a glass of brandy, and sitting in a high-backed leather chair in front of a bookcase full of Football for Dummies tomes. “We do create chances at the other end but to win games you need to defend,” he continued. Pick holes in that one if you can.
In some respects it’s quite nice that the owner of a club is setting high targets for his team. Aim for the stars, and even if you miss, at least you tried. Better to die on your feet than live on your knees and all that. And as these things usually come in threes, you can insert your own meaningless platitude about the benefits of positivity here. Ambition is good, trying is good, self-improvement is good. But perhaps you should maybe think twice about predicting your team, currently in the second tier and with Aly Cissokho remaining a first-choice player, will usurp Barcelona, Real Madrid and Bayern Munich within half a decade, particularly when your own manager doesn’t exactly share your optimism. “It’s a house that needs to be knocked down and started afresh,” was Di Matteo’s chipper assessment of the state of things when he arrived, a more realistic if a little gloomier prediction of what the immediate future holds at Villa Park. Xia seems to be asking his employees to knock down a two-bed semi and throw the Burj Khalifa up in its place, and be bloody quick about it too. So sure, be optimistic, aim high, be ambitious. Just try not to make yourself look like a complete clanker in the process.
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I've seen some long posts and that's one of them.
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Spot on that, and a welcome return to form for The Fiver which seems to have disappeared up its own arse recently.
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"Bobby di Matteo"
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"Bobby di Matteo"
Or, as I call him, "Matters".
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But to change it we need to shift players and not have the players we want, or are stuck with, being alienated by the owner. IMO that tweet by Tony isn't exactly the best way to go about it, no matter how much some of them deserve it after tonight.
Alienate them? They are already there! They alienated them selves......ages ago. As far as im concerned they can all feck off
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I hope his tweet about 7 or 8 more players coming in is correct because that's what we need. To keep playing last season's players is just peeing into the wind.
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The guys not stupid he knows the deal and to bring in players will be great move . I like the business we done so far certainly can't complain. Say 5 or 6 more after the 3 of Chester de laet and jedinak then we 're talking. Can prob offer some first team footy to some premier league outcasts once that league gets going.
We should also continue to be in hunt for other top players from this league.
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"Bobby di Matteo"
Or, as I call him, "Matters".
Nice one Badders (as we on the manor call more or less everyone).
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The guys not stupid he knows the deal and to bring in players will be great move . I like the business we done so far certainly can't complain. Say 5 or 6 more after the 3 of Chester de laet and jedinak then we 're talking. Can prob offer some first team footy to some premier league outcasts once that league gets going.
We should also continue to be in hunt for other top players from this league.
“where do you see Villa in five years’ time?” posed by an unwitting chap named Sam, Xia answered: “The top club in Europe with the highest number of fans all over the world.
i would say that is the ravings of a lunatic
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The guys not stupid he knows the deal and to bring in players will be great move . I like the business we done so far certainly can't complain. Say 5 or 6 more after the 3 of Chester de laet and jedinak then we 're talking. Can prob offer some first team footy to some premier league outcasts once that league gets going.
We should also continue to be in hunt for other top players from this league.
We may all be in the gutter...
Nothing wrong with aiming high.
“where do you see Villa in five years’ time?” posed by an unwitting chap named Sam, Xia answered: “The top club in Europe with the highest number of fans all over the world.
i would say that is the ravings of a lunatic
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The guys not stupid he knows the deal and to bring in players will be great move . I like the business we done so far certainly can't complain. Say 5 or 6 more after the 3 of Chester de laet and jedinak then we 're talking. Can prob offer some first team footy to some premier league outcasts once that league gets going.
We should also continue to be in hunt for other top players from this league.
We may all be in the gutter...
Nothing wrong with aiming high.
“where do you see Villa in five years’ time?” posed by an unwitting chap named Sam, Xia answered: “The top club in Europe with the highest number of fans all over the world.
i would say that is the ravings of a lunatic
nothing wrong at all with aiming high, but saying we will be the biggest club in europe so in effect the biggest club in the world in 5 years is just twat talk
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I have now named our new manager Bobby Matters, and will use it regularly, its a perfect fit and so much easier to say and type, if anybody is unhappy, tough, patents are pending..
Cant see him being here in 6 months though so it wont really matter.
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We could have been the biggest club in Europe with this line up...
Burridge
Gage
Simms
McNaught
Williams, Gary
Callaghan
Ginola
Aspinall
Hunt, Steve*
Bruno
Agbonlahor
*if memory serves he became pretty porky towards the end?
Shame we never bought Quinn, M and Brolin, T or we'd have been the biggest club in the world.
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I reckon he's pissed when he sends his tweets.
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We could have been the biggest club in Europe with this line up...
Burridge
Gage
Simms
McNaught
Williams, Gary
Callaghan
Ginola
Aspinall
Hunt, Steve*
Bruno
Agbonlahor
*if memory serves he became pretty porky towards the end?
Shame we never bought Quinn, M and Brolin, T or we'd have been the biggest club in the world.
Schmeichel was pretty enormous by the end.
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We could have been the biggest club in Europe with this line up...
Burridge
Gage
Simms
McNaught
Williams, Gary
Callaghan
Ginola
Aspinall
Hunt, Steve*
Bruno
Agbonlahor
*if memory serves he became pretty porky towards the end?
Shame we never bought Quinn, M and Brolin, T or we'd have been the biggest club in the world.
that terry hurlock was a porker as well and neville southall when he played for bradford
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I have now named our new manager Bobby Matters, and will use it regularly, its a perfect fit and so much easier to say and type, if anybody is unhappy, tough, patents are pending..
Cant see him being here in 6 months though so it wont really matter.
Barry matter's C&B Army
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We could have been the biggest club in Europe with this line up...
Burridge
Gage
Simms
McNaught
Williams, Gary
Callaghan
Ginola
Aspinall
Hunt, Steve*
Bruno
Agbonlahor
*if memory serves he became pretty porky towards the end?
Shame we never bought Quinn, M and Brolin, T or we'd have been the biggest club in the world.
smoething to do with that big villa doug something or other
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I reckon he's pissed when he sends his tweets.
I was always told an alcoholic never checks his shoes, so on that basis you are bob on! ;)
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His tweets are par for the course for today's celebrity owners. I prefered the old days when you didn't have a clue who owned half the clubs. Doug has a lot to answer for.
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disagree, Tony's musings are light relief to a sea of misery elsewhere. I have come to the conclusion that I love everything about Villa other than when they attempt to play football.
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He's up early
It's what you strive hard in the low, lift you up much higher! UTV! @AVFCOfficial
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disagree, Tony's musings are light relief to a sea of misery elsewhere. I have come to the conclusion that I love everything about Villa other than when they attempt to play football.
Good point. I was cynical but hey, the man has become a fan at some point. I kind of like his relentless optimism and protective attitude to the club. It is a bit of a tonic tbh.
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He's up early
It's what you strive hard in the low, lift you up much higher! UTV! @AVFCOfficial
welcome to the low Tony
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I have liked him from the start. He is so not Randy Lerner in everything he does and says. Of course he will drop bollocks and say embarrassing things but that is what normal football followers do.
Villa Park under Lerner was fetid with secrecy and intrigue. I think Tony has thrown open a few windows. I particularly appreciate his personal intervention in blocking the Bennett move to Wednesday. Not only because I think Bennett is an improving player but also because for too long under Lerner there was a "while the cat's away" mentality that worked on the basis that the owner was not that interested in anything other than the balance sheet. Not that he was very good at that. I don't think RDM needs oversight but it will keep everybody at VP on their toes if they know the boss is actually aware of what they are doing.
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I have liked him from the start. He is so not Randy Lerner in everything he does and says. Of course he will drop bollocks and say embarrassing things but that is what normal football followers do.
Villa Park under Lerner was fetid with secrecy and intrigue. I think Tony has thrown open a few windows. I particularly appreciate his personal intervention in blocking the Bennett move to Wednesday. Not only because I think Bennett is an improving player but also because for too long under Lerner there was a "while the cat's away" mentality that worked on the basis that the owner was not that interested in anything other than the balance sheet. Not that he was very good at that. I don't think RDM needs oversight but it will keep everybody at VP on their toes if they know the boss is actually aware of what they are doing.
You can sum it up in two words 'Active Interest'.
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Yes, apologies, I did ramble on a bit OMVF.
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Yes, apologies, I did ramble on a bit OMVF.
Keep on rambling on Brian. On here we're all brothers, man. Reality does not go amiss on here at times.
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I like the way he has raised the expectation levels. They were dropping far too low.
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Dr. Tony Xia @Dr_TonyXia 5h5 hours ago
Dr. Tony Xia Retweeted AVFC Birmingham Mail
Easy 2keep silence but not easy doing nothing to protect the club. Easier for ppl talked years but nothing changed.
AVFC Birmingham Mail @AVFC_News
It's time for @Dr_TonyXia to take a backseat says Aston Villa legend - #avfc http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-owner-dr-tony-11738761 …
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I dont agree with Gray where he says Dr X has said nothing positive
I think there is a lot of positive posts and someone who obviously cares
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I dont agree with Gray where he says Dr X has said nothing positive
I think there is a lot of positive posts and someone who obviously cares
hardly positive from Gray !
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Is that the Gray who loved the Villa so much he said I don't care where I go, just sell me?
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There's the fine line between the Doc acting like an owner and acting like a fan. However after many years of neglect I am glad our owner is feeling our pain. It might not be the correct protocol but we need empathy as much as action.
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I don't know what you are all worrying about. Our Tone is changing the face of football ownership to a truly modern 21St century approach. Gone will be the days of faceless boards ignoring the fans and charging what the fuck they like. I say good luck to him and keep going son
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I dont agree with Gray where he says Dr X has said nothing positive
I think there is a lot of positive posts and someone who obviously cares
So in criticising Dr X for saying nothing positive Andy Gray himself is saying nothing positive.
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I hope he told richards exactly what he thought of him too. If i was that rich i would have written a cheque in the dressing room at luton and told him not to bother coming back.
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Genius for our Tone!
@Dr_TonyXia Sign him up !!!!!! Need a RB !!!! #avfc
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Too expensive to afford now. Wait until we go to EuroChampion!!
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I really love his enthusiasm. I don't know how much of a fan he actually is, even though he said he was, but he's doing a pretty good impression of someone who is feeling the pain of defeat and wants to fix it. He mentioned when he was looking to buy the club the kind of money he was willing to spend. he can't be far off that now.
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I started off the the "it'll all end in tears, so stop now" camp, but am now in the "thoroughly enjoying the ride so carry on, even though it'll all end in tears" camp.
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He's left-footer?! Ace!
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I started off the the "it'll all end in tears, so stop now" camp, but am now in the "thoroughly enjoying the ride so carry on, even though it'll all end in tears" camp.
I'm the same.
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I am becoming obsessed by his footwear. That is what my feet look like when when my wife says she can hear somebody breaking into the garage in the middle of the night. First things that come to hand that are not frogmen's flippers.
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It's a nice Mac he's wearing, if a bit unseasonal.
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He's offered Gabby 'best solution for him and club and let him think about it'.
Sorry, can't link Twitter.
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I reckon that is a financial haircut for Mr Agbonlahor.
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'Kin hell. Doesn't like to let these things play out behind closed doors does he!
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Sounds like an adebayor style payoff in which case fair play.
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Couple of million up front and let Gabby find his next job himself. That is the sort of deal he has been offered I would guess.
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We've told him he has to go on loan for the season to prove he can stay fit
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Yes sounds like it. Broadcast publicly as a best thing for club thing so he's been played by the Doc. If you can consider getting a payoff for being an obese affront to the game of football losing.
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Who'd take him on loan?
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He's just tweeted we're looking to loan him out for the season and re-assess when he gets back.
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Not the ideal scenario but it gets him away from our real players. Assume well still be wearing virtually his entire salary.
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Couple of million up front and let Gabby find his next job himself. That is the sort of deal he has been offered I would guess.
lets hope
the loan bit wont cut any ice as we would still be paying the vast majority of his wages
pay him off and fuck him off
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He's just tweeted we're looking to loan him out for the season and re-assess when he gets back.
Please don't send him to The Gingerbreads. My only refuge.
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Gabby is desperately hanging onto his comfort zone, which is no good for him or us, because it's his comfort zone.
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Who'd take him on loan?
My guess is Hull or Rangers.
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Who'd take him on loan?
My guess is Hull or Rangers.
or Blackpool.
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Who'd take him on loan?
My guess is Hull or Rangers.
or Blackpool.
or gornal athletic
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Dr. Tony Xia (@Dr_TonyXia)
12/08/2016, 19:32
Gabby realized he did wrong things4past years &working hard trying to fit but surely can't catch up games now.
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I started off the the "it'll all end in tears, so stop now" camp, but am now in the "thoroughly enjoying the ride so carry on, even though it'll all end in tears" camp.
Very good and my thoughts as well.
Despite our shite start Im more excited than I Have been for years. An owner who gives a monkeys and spending some dosh as well
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That last Tweet fairly spells it out.
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Dr. Tony Xia (@Dr_TonyXia)
12/08/2016, 19:32
Gabby realized he did wrong things4past years &working hard trying to fit but surely can't catch up games now.
Gabby tweets, not going anywhere, let the games commence! Oh, and Gabby bought a bike to prove how fit he is. Perhaps it might have been more appealing if he was photographed holding a matchball.
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I'm not sure a player's contract negotiations should be live on Twitter to be honest. There's a difference between transparency and too much information.
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That last Tweet fairly spells it out.
The only thing that last tweet spells out is I haven't a clue what he's talking about. And there was me thinking I was down with the teenagers.
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Come on guys our Tone is the future of football. Despite our shit team I bet there are fans up and down the land who are keeping an eye on this. It's bizarre, the most media secret country in the world exposing everything versus the most open country in the world who told us nothing. Fascinating
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Dr. Tony Xia Retweeted Emma
Yes. You& your bay! can be seated in my box!Dr. Tony Xia added,
Emma @EmmaAVFC
@Dr_TonyXia I'm coming to the game 8 months pregnant tomorrow...can I have a free pie? 😊
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The guy is quality!
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My gaffer at work lets me in on a lot of private work stuff. I love gossiping with him but I feel like I shouldn't be being told so much. It's a bit like that with Tone.
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I like his posts, it feels like a breath of fresh air. I don't think he's gone too far yet but you would think it's likely that he'll make a mistake at some point. We'll have to see what happens then.
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This guy is spilling his guts out.
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Dr. Tony Xia Retweeted Emma
Yes. You& your bay! can be seated in my box!Dr. Tony Xia added,
Emma @EmmaAVFC
@Dr_TonyXia I'm coming to the game 8 months pregnant tomorrow...can I have a free pie? 😊
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The guy is quality!
As a previous poster said, A Breath of Fresh Air.......excuse the capital letters, I'm just excited about going down the Vila tomorrow
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Beijing Red has been quiet for a while, wonder if he's running another parody account?
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I hope we don't get to the point when Tony is trying to select the team.
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I hope we don't get to the point when Tony is trying to select the team.
Joe Bennett.?
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I hope we don't get to the point when Tony is trying to select the team.
After Bobby's attempt on Wednesday I'm not fussed.
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Dr. Tony Xia Retweeted Emma
Yes. You& your bay! can be seated in my box!Dr. Tony Xia added,
Emma @EmmaAVFC
@Dr_TonyXia I'm coming to the game 8 months pregnant tomorrow...can I have a free pie? 😊
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Just got told about this. Emma's a family friend and Villa mad. What a great gesture.
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Dr. Tony Xia Retweeted Emma
Yes. You& your bay! can be seated in my box!Dr. Tony Xia added,
Emma @EmmaAVFC
@Dr_TonyXia I'm coming to the game 8 months pregnant tomorrow...can I have a free pie? 😊
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That's my cheeky daughter! I'm not sure the offer runs to her poor old dad but you never know. Assuming it's all genuine he is certainly trying, a breath of fresh air indeed.
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How many people will now be tweeting him hoping to get an invite into his box?
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To date, and this has been going on a while, he has revealed just enough both literally, tactically and from an entertainment perspective.
He's either very lucky or very astute.
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How many people will now be tweeting him hoping to get an invite into his box?
What is Fergal up to now?
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No matter what we think of Dr X and his crazy tweeting we need to give him a massive welcome when he appears tomorrow and show him lots of love
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How many people will now be tweeting him hoping to get an invite into his box?
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No matter what we think of Dr X and his crazy tweeting we need to give him a massive welcome when he appears tomorrow and show him lots of love
What, a bit like this?
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No matter what we think of Dr X and his crazy tweeting we need to give him a massive welcome when he appears tomorrow and show him lots of love
What, a bit like this?
And we know how that ended...
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Because one Chairman proved to be a disappointment all subsequent ones will too?
I'll give him a cheer. You can't argue that he has backed the club so far.
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Because one Chairman proved to be a disappointment all subsequent ones will too?
I'll give him a cheer. You can't argue that he has backed the club so far.
Not particularly. Dr X has certainly put his money where his mouth is so far. But then again so did Randy. It'll be interesting to see how it all develops over time...
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I'm not knocking him or people wanting to show support. Everything seems to be coming together off the pitch and giving him a cheer, hopefully before the game, will set the atmosphere for the rest of the game.
As for the backing, he seems very astute so far which is a massive surprise and bonus. Will we be in a position by the end of August to be serious promotion contenders? I don't see why not. So far we've bought and sold wisely so there should be plenty of money to fill the remaining positions whether through purchases or loans.
What's most important is the mentality and getting the best out of the squad.
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Because one Chairman proved to be a disappointment all subsequent ones will too?
I'll give him a cheer. You can't argue that he has backed the club so far.
Not particularly. Dr X has certainly put his money where his mouth is so far. But then again so did Randy. It'll be interesting to see how it all develops over time...
Of course it will. For the moment though, we might as well back him, just as he has backed us.
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Because one Chairman proved to be a disappointment all subsequent ones will too?
I'll give him a cheer. You can't argue that he has backed the club so far.
Not particularly. Dr X has certainly put his money where his mouth is so far. But then again so did Randy. It'll be interesting to see how it all develops over time...
Of course it will. For the moment though, we might as well back him, just as he has backed us.
For the record I think he's been very astute as far as business is concerned. His tweets do worry me though. They do point to an element of recklessness. I'll be cheering him tomorrow anyway. He's brought some relief to the dreadfulness of the past 6 years.
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He deserves huge respect for following through on every promise he made in buying the club. He'll acknowledge there's a long way to go but he's not done much wrong since buying the club.
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He deserves huge respect for following through on every promise he made in buying the club. He'll acknowledge there's a long way to go but he's not done much wrong since buying the club.
Agreed. Delivered on pretty much everything except for the midfielder by Saturday comment. Quality over quantity, get a few out and buy buy buy appears to be true as well. So what if his tweets are a little cryptic at times, he loves the Villa and that's good with me. Better times are ahead. It might take us until around November until we see the side gel but once they get going we will be fine. Right now, I would take promotion via the play offs, in fact, the chance for maximum exposure in such a well watched game could be really good for this club.
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He is bypassing the media and their distortion of the stories. I think this will be a trend soon. He seems innovative and smart.
Starting to like him more and more.
New website and app within 2 months.
Man of action
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Number 9 is close apparently.
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That's my cheeky daughter! I'm not sure the offer runs to her poor old dad but you never know. Assuming it's all genuine he is certainly trying, a breath of fresh air indeed.
Let's hear how that experience went.
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My favourite was his eloquent and concise thoughts on Ian Holloway.
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I really like Dr Tony, breath of fresh air.
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He's recently tweeted a couple of photos of him lecturing the first team on success and failure He had a PowerPoint going on and everything
The guy is class
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He's recently tweeted a couple of photos of him lecturing the first team on success and failure He had a PowerPoint going on and everything
The guy is class
He should have just concentrated on the success bit. Seeing as how well he seems to have been in business I'm not sure he is qualified to talk about it to the players who last season proved they are vey good at failing.
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He's recently tweeted a couple of photos of him lecturing the first team on success and failure He had a PowerPoint going on and everything
The guy is class
He should have just concentrated on the success bit. Seeing as how well he seems to have been in business I'm not sure he is qualified to talk about failure to the players who last season proved they are already very good at failing.
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Dr. Tony Xia (@Dr_TonyXia)
13/08/2016, 11:14
He is knocking out of the door,with all deals settled!
twitter.com
When asked how close are we to completing deal for a midfielder
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He's recently tweeted a couple of photos of him lecturing the first team on success and failure He had a PowerPoint going on and everything
The guy is class
He should have just concentrated on the success bit. Seeing as how well he seems to have been in business I'm not sure he is qualified to talk about failure to the players who last season proved they are already very good at failing.
It worded it incorrectly he was talking about his successes and how he turned his failures into successes
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I could do with some advice on turning failures into success. I worded my first post wrong and then failed to successfully edit it and ended up with a double post. Although my second one was worded as I originally intended.
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I really like the bloke. He's not perfect, nobody is. But he's taking such a personal approach to getting this right. You can see by his actions that he is dying to get this turned around. It's the polar opposite of our owner of the past 5-6 years. The contrast could not be any more stark.
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Weren't we saying exactly the same thing about Lerner when he first took over? I'm a natural cynic so I'll reserve judgement for a while.
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Not really - he is much more involved, and will personally oversee the turning off the tide with his recipe for success.
Lerner bought and let others fo the rest (he hired shithheads)
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To be fair although I was as annoyed at Lerner as anyone by the end I understand his intentions to move to the UK and be more hands on were derailed by a marriage break up which would have mean it resulting in him being a long way from his kids. I'm loving Tone at the moment but I have a feeling his apparently passionate approach may result in him being more deadly with managers than Deadly himself. I wonder if Tone signs all the cheques personally and introduced the bicycle kick to his part of the world.
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Remember when the General was all over the Internet saying loads of nice things to us and slapping down Sullivan, Brady, Gold and co? All a bit familiar this to be honest. Yes I'm a cynical bastard but I hate it when the owners become the story.
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To be fair although I was as annoyed at Lerner as anyone by the end I understand his intentions to move to the UK and be more hands on were derailed by a marriage break up which would have mean it resulting in him being a long way from his kids.
The biggest difference is that Lerner had never run a successful business. My understand is that Tony has.
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To be fair although I was as annoyed at Lerner as anyone by the end I understand his intentions to move to the UK and be more hands on were derailed by a marriage break up which would have mean it resulting in him being a long way from his kids.
The biggest difference is that Lerner had never run a successful business. My understand is that Tony has.
A point I have made several times. Lerner might have been very educated and qualified but he wasn't a self made man in business. I believe it was his father's money. My understanding is the same as yours in that Tony is a self made millionaire.
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Number 9 is close apparently.
New series of Inside Number 9 starts next month, can't wait.
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My main criticism of Lerner was his distant position meant that there was a void of leadership at the club and consequently a vacuum existed where employees were able to easily take the piss. Dr Tony seems the opposite of that, and seems Ellis-esque with his fingerprints on everything.
If there is substance to his enthusiasm then he could be very good for us. If not, and he's just feeding his ego, then... I don't want to consider that option yet.
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My problem with Lerner was that he was such a bad judge of character, and this came through in his appointments, which were without exception awful.
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That evolved over time with his various appointments. MON was a solid appointment initially and we didn't know much about the board. It just got worse and worse with each subsequent appointment. As much as we had some doubts over the people Xia has chosen, it seems to be working quite well so far. Wyness has a lot of experience and I don't think Brian's influence should be understated.
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It's been weeks. I'm still suspicious of some of these people, so I will see how it pans out over a decent amount of time.
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To be fair although I was as annoyed at Lerner as anyone by the end I understand his intentions to move to the UK and be more hands on were derailed by a marriage break up which would have mean it resulting in him being a long way from his kids.
The biggest difference is that Lerner had never run a successful business. My understand is that Tony has.
A point I have made several times. Lerner might have been very educated and qualified but he wasn't a self made man in business. I believe it was his father's money. My understanding is the same as yours in that Tony is a self made millionaire.
I am still confused as to how wealthy the doctor actually is.
I know it doesn't matter for some people, but the inference from him is that he is incredibly wealthy and yet i haven't actually read anything that sheds light on his businesses and wealth.
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As much as we had some doubts over the people Xia has chosen, it seems to be working quite well so far.
we've played 2 games and lost them both. Far too early to judge whether things are going well or badly.
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As much as we had some doubts over the people Xia has chosen, it seems to be working quite well so far.
we've played 2 games and lost them both. Far too early to judge whether things are going well or badly.
This is about the chairman or did you expect him to be on the pitch too?
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As much as we had some doubts over the people Xia has chosen, it seems to be working quite well so far.
we've played 2 games and lost them both. Far too early to judge whether things are going well or badly.
This is about the chairman or did you expect him to be on the pitch too?
The only thing that matters is what happens on the pitch.
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Of course it does but we are talking specifically about what the chairman has done. If you want to comment on the team that's fine but it has little if anything to do with what Xia has done. We can only hope long term the investment and people he has put in place are good decisions. So I'm not tying two defeats directly to what he has done since buying the club.
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My problem with Lerner was that he was such a bad judge of character, and this came through in his appointments, which were without exception awful.
Our current board is full of questionable characters. Whilst I mainly agree with Chico that all that matters is what happens on the pitch, I still remember the Bendalls.
One thing I'd love to know is how Xia is managing to control all his listed companies from Brum whilst what seems to be spending every minute sorting out the Villa. I wonder if he's taken a sabbatical and left others in charge back in China?
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As much as we had some doubts over the people Xia has chosen, it seems to be working quite well so far.
we've played 2 games and lost them both. Far too early to judge whether things are going well or badly.
This is about the chairman or did you expect him to be on the pitch too?
What has he actually done? We've bought some players, sold some and he's been on twitter a bit.
Maybe wait until he's been here for more than a couple of months before judging him either way?
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As much as we had some doubts over the people Xia has chosen, it seems to be working quite well so far.
we've played 2 games and lost them both. Far too early to judge whether things are going well or badly.
This is about the chairman or did you expect him to be on the pitch too?
What has he actually done? We've bought some players, sold some and he's been on twitter a bit.
Maybe wait until he's been here for more than a couple of months before judging him either way?
He's done exactly what he said he was going to do, it's that simple really.
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As much as we had some doubts over the people Xia has chosen, it seems to be working quite well so far.
we've played 2 games and lost them both. Far too early to judge whether things are going well or badly.
This is about the chairman or did you expect him to be on the pitch too?
What has he actually done? We've bought some players, sold some and he's been on twitter a bit.
Maybe wait until he's been here for more than a couple of months before judging him either way?
I'm going to judge him on what he has influenced so far and the investment he promised to make and has followed through entirely. Everyone has a role to play in this and the chairman's influence only extends so far. The players/coaches/manager now have to do their bit. So if I am compartmentalizing my praise/criticism then it is so far so good for Xia. And especially when you consider the scepticism that surrounded his takeover and reputed wealth. He's come through and if you believe what you read or hear there's more players coming in soon. What more did you expect of him?
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I don't see why you always have to go to such extremes.
Yesterday you were telling us Wyness was playing s blinder behind the scenes based on us signing a player before the deadline.
It's just so over the top - give it some decent time before judging either way.
I just don't see how you can make any judgement on Xia after two matches. A few tweets and spending a bit more than we recoup? Is that all it takes?
As for what more do I expect of him, I want to see how he reacts when we are in trouble. Or when we need to push the boat out financially. Or how he reacts if RDM fails to get results.
All the things the last chairman fucked up and all the things that happen over time.
And that's why it is impossible to make any meaningful judgement of him yet, good or bad
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I like the fact that he's visible and seems interested in the club. That's progress from the previous six years, as long as it lasts and he doesn't get bored with it. We probably need to get used to the fact that he's a tad eccentric but it's an improvement on Lerner (who was a right yampy fucker, going by his press releases).
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Relatively speaking to the league we are in has he not pushed the boat out further financially than any other team? And if put in the terms "so far" how is that being extreme? By definition it is saying he hasn't done everything and of course we need to judge him over time. Where have I suggested otherwise?
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but Paulie you asked what he'd done, and a big part of what he's done is he's made the place feel better and he's done it with a bit of transparency of twitter and following through on that with signings.
As I've said earlier on this thread I'm totally onside with the twitter thing because what he's really done is show that he, and by extension the club, can see the same problems that we see, it's very easy to undervalue that and miss the fact that he's doing a greart job of rebuilding trust between the club and fans.
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I don't see why you always have to go to such extremes.
Yesterday you were telling us Wyness was playing s blinder behind the scenes based on us signing a player before the deadline.
It's just so over the top - give it some decent time before judging either way.
I just don't see how you can make any judgement on Xia after two matches. A few tweets and spending a bit more than we recoup? Is that all it takes?
As for what more do I expect of him, I want to see how he reacts when we are in trouble. Or when we need to push the boat out financially. Or how he reacts if RDM fails to get results.
All the things the last chairman fucked up and all the things that happen over time.
And that's why it is impossible to make any meaningful judgement of him yet, good or bad
I agree. I'd even be willing to say it looks promising, but the reality is that Aston Villa are outside of the top tier of English football, and there is hard work to be done to get the club back where it belongs. I'll judge him if and when that comes off.
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It is easy to be onside when things are going well, but lets see how he handles himself when things are not going the way that he likes. Personally, I don't like some of the things he's tweeted, they are best kept within the club, especially when tweeting about players individually.
I am no great fan of Agbonlahor, but by tweeting about him publicly and his position within the club as it stands, Agbonlahor could easily raise it as a legal issue if he sees it that he is being forced/farmed out against his wishes.
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@Dr_TonyXia
Vvvvvvvvvvvvilla is BACK! ✌
You have to laugh. Good for him
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@Dr_TonyXia
Vvvvvvvvvvvvilla is BACK! ✌
You have to laugh. Good for him
Love it 😂
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It will almost certainly end in tears, but at the moment I love him. His celebrations and waving at every stand etc was ace.
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He was loving the adulation today, fair play to him, and let's hope it continues.
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He is and he's just enjoying it. He's bought the club and stumped up £25m or whatever it is now on players. Glad we got a win for all of us.
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It's probably not the done thing as an owner to be doing what he was doing near the end of the game but sod it, I loved it.
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If he'd made an unimpressive start to his tenure, it would be too early to reach a negative judgment. The same applies inversely.
What he's done so far seems entirely satisfactory. Why do we need to say any more than that?
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Why is it wrong though? Having just spanked £100m on the club and new players why not have some enjoyment out if it. It's football not running the country. UTV!
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I think one of the main things that he's done is to re-establish a connection between the club and the fans. Over recent seasons there has been a complete fracture and disconnect between the board, the manager, the team and the fans. Some of the things Dr Tone does may be seen as a bit cringeworthy by some, but the important thing is he's communicating and connecting directly with us, the supporters. And Elphick is doing the same thing between the players on the pitch and the fans in the seats (see how he called the players over to the Holte after the game today). I was in the 'let's wait and see' camp, but I'm feeling more positive now than I have for a long time.
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I'll take this over the last 5 years of the Lerner era all day long.
There is just a bit of me hoping he does not stand on a land mine though.
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If he'd made an unimpressive start to his tenure, it would be too early to reach a negative judgment. The same applies inversely.
What he's done so far seems entirely satisfactory. Why do we need to say any more than that?
As I say, up to this point he's done everything exactly as he said he would, that's the important thing, he's been very open in making big promises and he's sticking to them. There's a long way to go but I think he's earned the benefit of the doubt at this point.
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They quickly identified some key areas to fix when they came in. It would have started through conversation with Hollis. Reconnection with the supporters clearly has been a big part of that and not just the chairman. It seems the whole club is determined to put that right. And they won't get everything right and it won't be that important if the results are poor. But the effort and dedication is there.
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As somebody correctly said he has moved football club ownership into the 21st century. Stiff upper lips and chairmen with pokers up their arses went out with stove pipe hats and mutton chop whiskers. As respected others have said it will end in tears inevitably but enjoy the moment. Carpe diem.
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I think we have to define tears a little bit. If we don't go up or the results suffer for any sustained period of time then it will test his ability to post without emotion through those times. He'll also mature as he gets used to this, his English will improve and he'll become more savvy as to what people are saying so I think he will become more guarded or careful over time. But I don't think his natural enthusiasm will wane. How he manages it will be interesting.
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I think we have to define tears a little bit. If we don't go up or the results suffer for any sustained period of time then it will test his ability to post without emotion through those times. He'll also mature as he gets used to this, his English will improve and he'll become more savvy as to what people are saying so I think he will become more guarded or careful over time. But I don't think his natural enthusiasm will wane. How he manages it will be interesting.
How do you know all this.? are you and Tone romantically linked or just share the same star sign? :)
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I think we have to define tears a little bit. If we don't go up or the results suffer for any sustained period of time then it will test his ability to post without emotion through those times. He'll also mature as he gets used to this, his English will improve and he'll become more savvy as to what people are saying so I think he will become more guarded or careful over time. But I don't think his natural enthusiasm will wane. How he manages it will be interesting.
How do you know all this.? are you and Tone romantically linked or just share the same star sign? :)
The truth is I am Tony Xia
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I think we have to define tears a little bit. If we don't go up or the results suffer for any sustained period of time then it will test his ability to post without emotion through those times. He'll also mature as he gets used to this, his English will improve and he'll become more savvy as to what people are saying so I think he will become more guarded or careful over time. But I don't think his natural enthusiasm will wane. How he manages it will be interesting.
How do you know all this.? are you and Tone romantically linked or just share the same star sign? :)
The truth is I am Tony Xia
not Iron Man ?
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Listening to WM (I know) on the way home, Franks said Tony went absolutely crazy in the boardroom at Luton and the other directors had to calm him down. If I had been there I might have given him a baseball bat and told him it was all Richards's fault.
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I like Tony. He seems passionate. What will be interesting is how he reacts should RDM go on a run of 5-6 without a win. Is he going to be too reactionary? I don't think by any stretch of the imagination we'll see a Lambert situation again, where mumbles had 2 years too many for us. He should have gone after Millwall and Bradford.
Like a lot of Chairmen these days, Tony will last about 5 years. Hopefully we'll see good times and when he sells it on, we'll have progressed and the stabilised, left in a position where we can perhaps step up a level again.
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I think we have to define tears a little bit. If we don't go up or the results suffer for any sustained period of time then it will test his ability to post without emotion through those times. He'll also mature as he gets used to this, his English will improve and he'll become more savvy as to what people are saying so I think he will become more guarded or careful over time. But I don't think his natural enthusiasm will wane. How he manages it will be interesting.
How do you know all this.? are you and Tone romantically linked or just share the same star sign? :)
The truth is I am Tony Xia
not Iron Man ?
Taps nose and winks
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Listening to WM (I know) on the way home, Franks said Tony went absolutely crazy in the boardroom at Luton and the other directors had to cal him down. If I had been there I might have given him a baseball bat and told him it was all Richards's fault.
Franksy also said RDM had agreed to sell Joe Bennett to Wednesday and Dr Tone pulled the plug on the deal at the 11th hour. Could be utter bullshit but if not that's another area of the doctors approach which will end in tears.
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There's a difference between a manager saying a player is surplus and the board agreeing a deal. Why should Tony give players away? Do you really think RDM brokers deals? He'd have simply said he can go and it's upto the board to do the deal.
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The way it was described on the radio the deal had been done (presumably by the board) and the doctor pulled the plug.
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Perhaps Joe took Dr Tone shoe shopping so he decided to keep him.
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Just a little difference in atmosphere since May ...
https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/764529784638492673
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Dr. Tony Xia @Dr_TonyXia 10m10 minutes ago
Dr. Tony Xia Retweeted Emma
Yes. You& your bay! can be seated in my box!Dr. Tony Xia added,
Emma @EmmaAVFC
@Dr_TonyXia I'm coming to the game 8 months pregnant tomorrow...can I have a free pie? 😊
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The guy is quality!
That's my cheeky daughter! I'm not sure the offer runs to her poor old dad but you never know. Assuming it's all genuine he is certainly trying, a breath of fresh air indeed.
I see He stuck to his word, there's a pic of you and your daughter with him on his feed, hope you had a good day!
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Tin hat on, but apart from the use of twitter, I don't think actions are massively different to Randy.
The crucial bit, and randy's failure, is what infrastructure he puts in place for when his enthusiasm wains (or his gazillion other businesses demand his attention).
It's early days, but like randy, he's made great start.
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Dr. Tony Xia @Dr_TonyXia 10m10 minutes ago
Dr. Tony Xia Retweeted Emma
Yes. You& your bay! can be seated in my box!Dr. Tony Xia added,
Emma @EmmaAVFC
@Dr_TonyXia I'm coming to the game 8 months pregnant tomorrow...can I have a free pie? 😊
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The guy is quality!
That's my cheeky daughter! I'm not sure the offer runs to her poor old dad but you never know. Assuming it's all genuine he is certainly trying, a breath of fresh air indeed.
I see He stuck to his word, there's a pic of you and your daughter with him on his feed, hope you had a good day!
We both had a great day! We got to meet the man himself and to out great surprise ended up sitting just a few rows behind him. We could see close hand how excited and enthusiastic he is. It was a lovely gesture, we were both so excited to be honest. The added bonuses for me were the convincing performance and the chance to get a photo with my hero, Brian Little. A memorable day indeed!
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Classy!
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Tin hat on, but apart from the use of twitter, I don't think actions are massively different to Randy.
The crucial bit, and randy's failure, is what infrastructure he puts in place for when his enthusiasm wains (or his gazillion other businesses demand his attention).
It's early days, but like randy, he's made great start.
You're probably right. One would expect all the spin and bluster in the beginning. He has done what he said he would, so has been honest and delivered but, this needs sustaining. I'd say it's a case of so far so good. Please, please sustain it, even if we have to wait three or four years to get back up.
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Tony addressed the first team before the 3-0 win over Rotherham, along with the coaching staff on the eve of the game.
His rallying call looked to inspire them to great things this season.
He told them of his first failure in life when the leading academic didn’t get the grade expected of him at school.
Dr Tony said this was a turning point in his life – the moment he realised that talent alone is not enough, you also need diligence and industry - key points he made to the senior squad.
He offered them his view that there are four types of people in society – with No.4 dubbed ‘leaders’ – as he asked his players to strive to be in that category.
Dr Tony then spelled out his five requirements to achieve greatness – hard work, self discipline, team spirit, focus and the ability to learn from both failure and success.
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Picture of the Doc with the 82 heroes. I know it's optics in many ways but it shows he is trying to understand the club and embrace its past. It's more than a Mosaic or tattoo. The club needs to come together again through its various generations. The chairman is already connecting and communicating through Twitter to a younger generation but the club is steeped in history. It's a nice start to try to reach out to players who care and get their opinion. I would like to see him get in touch with Big Ron, Sir Graham, John Gregory and others so they feel they are a part of the future. Bring the huge and impressive Villa family together.
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Dr. Tony Xia @Dr_TonyXia 5h5 hours ago
Once we got the winning feeling back, it will keep going! The sleeping lion has woken up! #UTV
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Dr. Tony Xia @Dr_TonyXia 21m
With team of 1982. @Peter_Withe Hope we'll have another team of legends as '82 soon.
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Wasn't Tom Fox a marketing guru or some such ?
I agree with my cynical brethren that this will probably end in tears; but at the moment
the Doc is giving a master-class on the PR front.
Our mascots Hercules and Bella are probably looking over their shoulders after his performance on the pitch today.
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Just a little difference in atmosphere since May ...
https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/764529784638492673
Almost tears in the eyes. Not because how lucky we are to have him, the opposite, how lucky he is to have found such an amazing cub with such brilliant supporters.
If we are only to learn one thing from last season, it's our fans are bloody superb.*
*No way was there 33k there today. I'd imagine the real number was 29,012.**
** Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?
Final thought; those there today, those lucky few.. how many left wanting to be at the next home game? It's hopefully going to be a wonderful season.
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Bella was doing knee slides on the pitch after the first 2 goals. Hopefully she won't vanish because of it like she did after the bin incident last season.
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Dr. Tony Xia @Dr_TonyXia 21m
With team of 1982. @Peter_Withe Hope we'll have another team of legends as '82 soon.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CpxmLFNWYAAhW3p.jpg:large)
I have a lot of 'man love' for Tony Morley. Not in a sexual way. But I'm pretty sure that in the unlikely event he ever asked me to live with him I would leave my wife and kids in a heartbeat. I believe the modern term is a 'bromance'. For charity reasons (and he was very helpful in that respect) I had his number on an old mobile phone of mine and had to constantly resist the temptation to ring him as if he was my best mate.
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“I would say to them ‘if we keep going like this with players and fans together, we can achieve anything’.”
I wish he'd stop quoting Ron Saunders, it's more embarrassing than his tweets.
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“I would say to them ‘if we keep going like this with players and fans together, we can achieve anything’.”
I wish he'd stop quoting Ron Saunders, it's more embarrassing than his tweets.
Surely that is quite a common quote. Even if he said it I don't recall that being a specific Saunders quote. And to be fair if he wants to borrow the 110% per cent and 'do you want to bet against us' quotes I don't mind. The guy is passionate and if he is tapping into the clubs history who cares. We seemed to embrace it when rich daddies boy did it but just because that worked out bad don't knock the new guy. He has shown some passion ( actually turning up for games of the club you own is a good start) and coughed up a lot of money. And if he wants to dance around the pitch before the first home game I just hope he is dancing round it again after the last game.
I don't care about his tweets. They don't embarrass me. Last season embarrassed me. Today I was proud.
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Erm.. Damo, it wasn't a Saunders' quote and right now his Tweets aren't too embarrassing but I do love your loyalty.
If ever I get a labrador I promise to call it Damo. ;)
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Erm.. Damo, it wasn't a Saunders' quote and right now his Tweets aren't too embarrassing but I do love your loyalty.
If ever I get a labrador I promise to call it Damo. ;)
You don't need a Labrador. You can have me. To be honest my wife is getting a bit fed up of me humping her leg and crapping on the carpet.
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Erm.. Damo, it wasn't a Saunders' quote and right now his Tweets aren't too embarrassing but I do love your loyalty.
If ever I get a labrador I promise to call it Damo. ;)
You don't need a Labrador. You can have me. To be honest my wife is getting a bit fed up of me humping her leg and crapping on the carpet.
So the opposite of my missus? You'll do.
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Erm.. Damo, it wasn't a Saunders' quote and right now his Tweets aren't too embarrassing but I do love your loyalty.
If ever I get a labrador I promise to call it Damo. ;)
You don't need a Labrador. You can have me. To be honest my wife is getting a bit fed up of me humping her leg and crapping on the carpet.
So the opposite of my missus? You'll do.
I love your sense of humour but I feel our relationship has moved too quickly from disagreement to making up to flirting. I think we need to take things more slowly. I have been hurt in the past and need to protect myself from further hurt.
I have to be honest and say at this point I am not sure if we have crossed the line from humour to weird.
I'm tempted to PM you my phone number just to freak you out.
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Erm.. Damo, it wasn't a Saunders' quote and right now his Tweets aren't too embarrassing but I do love your loyalty.
If ever I get a labrador I promise to call it Damo. ;)
You don't need a Labrador. You can have me. To be honest my wife is getting a bit fed up of me humping her leg and crapping on the carpet.
So the opposite of my missus? You'll do.
I love your sense of humour but I feel our relationship has moved too quickly from disagreement to making up to flirting. I think we need to take things more slowly. I have been hurt in the past and need to protect myself from further hurt.
I have to be honest and say at this point I am not sure if we have crossed the line from humour to weird.
I'm tempted to PM you my phone number just to freak you out.
What if I told you I once appeared in a pictorial love story in Jackie magazine?
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Damo and Rudy sitting in a tree.
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Damo and Rudy sitting in a tree.
I am getting to know someone and having a laugh whilst you are probably watching a film that involves extreme violence. I don't think we are the bad guys are we?
And don't ever say anything about my boyfriend again or I will show you what violence is.
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I'm watching porn, lesbian bukkake.
Or maybe i'm watching season one of Dollhouse, but I wanted this thread as weird as possible for folks reading it in the morning as they have their breakfast.
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Damo and Rudy sitting in a tree.
Bitch!
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Am I the only person wondering how lesbian bukkake would actually work?
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Am I the only person wondering how lesbian bukkake would actually work?
that's funny
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Am I the only person wondering how lesbian bukkake would actually work?
<fires up Google>
Oh I say.....
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“I would say to them ‘if we keep going like this with players and fans together, we can achieve anything’.”
I wish he'd stop quoting Ron Saunders, it's more embarrassing than his tweets.
At least he's not quoting David O'Leary.
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Well, that escalated quickly.
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Am I the only person wondering how lesbian bukkake would actually work?
Them tins of squirty cream.
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Keep him interested leave him alone with his tweety pies
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Am I the only person wondering how lesbian bukkake would actually work?
Them tins of squirty cream.
Quite an unsavoury business then.
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I wonder if anyone is doubting Dr Tony's sincerity now given the money we're spending.
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Not sure what law he's referring to.
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Not sure what law he's referring to.
Good job that Elf & Safety didnt exist in 1894 when Charlie Athersmith spent the last ten minutes racing down the wing under the protection of an umbrella against Sheff Utd at Wellington Road!
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Not sure what law he's referring to.
The Great Umbrella Law of 1286 (often referred to as the Mary Poppins Law).
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Not sure what law he's referring to.
The Great Umbrella Law of 1286 (often referred to as the Mary Poppins Law).
I guess they could be classed as weapons
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Not sure what law he's referring to.
The Great Umbrella Law of 1286 (often referred to as the Mary Poppins Law).
I guess they could be classed as weapons
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probably the "youll be aving someones eye out with that thing in here" rule
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Not sure what law he's referring to.
The law of England. Nothing to do with me.
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They are not going to allow 15000+ umbrellas into the stadium no matter how well intended the tribute.
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And I can imagine a fair few being confiscated or being asked to be left outside. I hope fans understand that if the club cannot allow them in they are only following the rules/law. It might be a little emotionally charged so this will need to be handled carefully.
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It is ground rules nothing to do with the club - there are many rules that form condition of us having a license.
If a person turns up with a golf umbrella then in isolation we can issue a ticket and hold it for them until they reclaim it after the game. There is no way it could be done for hundreds - no matter what the reason
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I can also imagine the problems that would occur when the majority of the crowd, who don't do social media, find an umbrella blocking their view of the match.
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I remember brollies on the Holte mid 70's and they were being wielded by ferocious bovver birds! One was from Blackheath as I recall?
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All the coat searches have now stopped so it wouldnt be hard to take one in...
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All the coat searches have now stopped so it wouldnt be hard to take one in...
And will have it immediately confiscated
Its really not worth it
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Just makes me wonder why the searches have now stopped and why a 8 year old with a bottle top in more dangerous than a thermos flask...
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All the coat searches have now stopped so it wouldnt be hard to take one in...
If you need a coat tonight you would look very suspicious (tropical Brum)...
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All the coat searches have now stopped so it wouldnt be hard to take one in...
If you need a coat tonight you would look very suspicious (tropical Brum)...
Down the front of my keks it is then.
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All the coat searches have now stopped so it wouldnt be hard to take one in...
If you need a coat tonight you would look very suspicious (tropical Brum)...
Down the front of my keks it is then.
Are you planning a Dalian tribute or are you just please to see me?
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Maybe we could all hold up cocktail umbrellas.
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Maybe we could all hold up cocktail umbrellas.
Good idea. Too late now though methinks.
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Cocktail umbrellas are, in my experience, far more dangerous than regulation umbrellas.
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As posted on the Dalian thread the OS have announced there is a minutes applause on the 10minute and selected fans are opening umbrellas as a reminder of that iconic moment at Wimbledon
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Maybe we could all hold up cocktail umbrellas.
No way. You could have someone's eye out with one of those things.
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Maybe we could all hold up cocktail umbrellas.
No way. You could have someone's eye out with one of those things.
Hey we voted out of the EU, we make the rules now.....(I didn't by-the-way)
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Cocktail umbrellas are, in my experience, far more dangerous than regulation umbrellas.
Not in China they aren't.
Umbrellas are recycled over there and when it rains - and I mean real Asian rain, not that poncey drizzle we get in England - women appear out of nowhere like the shopkeeper in Mr Benn, flogging umbrellas, both telescopic and the full golfing version. These often have holes in the fabric and exposed prongs so the average Chinese citizen has a legal and lethal weapon with which to gouge the eyes of somebody approximately 6 inches taller.
Dr Tony will understand this.
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Cocktail umbrellas are, in my experience, far more dangerous than regulation umbrellas.
Not in China they aren't.
Umbrellas are recycled over there and when it rains - and I mean real Asian rain, not that poncey drizzle we get in England - women appear out of nowhere like the shopkeeper in Mr Benn, flogging umbrellas, both telescopic and the full golfing version. These often have holes in the fabric and exposed prongs so the average Chinese citizen has a legal and lethal weapon with which to gouge the eyes of somebody approximately 6 inches taller.
Dr Tony will understand this.
You're making me nostalgic for getting my eye poked out Paul!
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Our Tone tweeted pics of him giving shirts to Clancy and Rice (BCC leader and Lord Mayor) today. I know Clancy's a Villa fan, not sure about the mayor. Opening talks about buying Aston in its entirety no doubt.
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I am a fan of Big Tone and fans of other clubs have praised his presence on Twitter to me, been impressed so far.
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A sub editor would be nice, the Savile stuff and even that odd tribute to Dalian yesterday are things we could have done without.
But you take the rough with the smooth. Better that than Lord Lucan Lerner.
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A sub editor would be nice, the Saville stuff and even that odd tribute to Dalian yesterday are things we could have done without.
But you take the rough with the smooth. Better that than Lord Lucan Lerner.
What went on with the tribute? I must have missed that.
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Sad news! That ball was one of the best memories for me.
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Sad news! That ball was one of the best memories for me.
Oh that yeah, cheers.
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I like that he has been sending messages of encouragement to the players. The other day it was Jack. Today to Tshibola. Simple words not to give up and keep fighting.
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Dr. Tony Xia @Dr_TonyXia 16m16 minutes ago
We'll officially announce one new signing at 5PM today.@AVFCOfficial
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Cocktail umbrellas are, in my experience, far more dangerous than regulation umbrellas.
Try telling that to Georgi Markov
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Dr. Tony Xia @Dr_TonyXia 16m16 minutes ago
We'll officially announce one new signing at 5PM today.@AVFCOfficial
I reckon it's Peter Schmeical, in a Claret & Blue Mini.
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Ledley, Jedinak, Trippier, Diawara, Benteke, Hart.
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Ledley, Jedinak, Trippier, Diawara, Benteke, Hart.
Hart? Idiots!
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Ledley, Jedinak, Trippier, Diawara, Benteke, Hart.
Any one from or all of them?
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Dr. Tony Xia @Dr_TonyXia 16m16 minutes ago
We'll officially announce one new signing at 5PM today.@AVFCOfficial
nothing so far sack the board
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Three minutes late, what a fucking joke. Knew he was a chancer. #XIAOUT
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It's on the OS
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Ledley, Jedinak, Trippier, Diawara, Benteke, Hart.
Any one from or all of them?
One, but I can dream.
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yes but i wanted stretched shirt photo , not good enough . welcome Mile :D
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Ledley, Jedinak, Trippier, Diawara, Benteke, Hart.
Any one from or all of them?
One, but I can dream.
I would find that an acceptable transfer window.
Percy for Sports Director. Get it done Tone.
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Ledley, Jedinak, Trippier, Diawara, Benteke, Hart.
Any one from or all of them?
One, but I can dream.
I would find that an acceptable transfer window.
Percy for Sports Director. Get it done Tone.
Easy innit. Be a good squad then.
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Ledley, Jedinak, Trippier, Diawara, Benteke, Hart.
Any one from or all of them?
One, but I can dream.
Good call on Trippier. He has disappeared at Spurs
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Great signing, really pleased. Protects the back four nicely and will hopefully replace Westwood and push Gardner further down the pecking order. We still need another two or three in though. Hopefully the other 'imminent' signings are soon to be revealed.
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I've probably been Dr. Xia's biggest critic when it comes to his Twitter, but it is extremely refreshing to have transfer news come straight from the owner. No middle man or media nonsense to mislead and misinterpret.
Originally I wasn't thrilled that Dr. Xia was willing to show his hand when it came to transfer dealings, but in the championship I think its okay.
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No. Sorry for that. We have agreed to cover part of his wage of the one year contract left.
@Dr_TonyXia I hope we got a fee for #Lescott after all the pain and misery he caused last season.#avec #GoodRiddance
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getting rid of these tossers won't be cheap or easy. But what will be massively beneficial and something that cannot be easily quantified is not having them around. If they are all gone; I mean from Guzan, Lescott, Richards and Gabby then the positive impact cannot be understated.
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Crikey. Bit over the top.
(http://i.imgur.com/p4tpQKS.jpg)
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Surely that can't be right? Hacked?
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Crikey. Bit over the top.
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Is nt that fake. Xias has more class that that. It's more like some of the frustrated guys on here and forums of other teams who like to abuse there own
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He wouldn't type cartweeting some trolling tool has done dirty. Really poor style
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Crikey. Bit over the top.
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It's genuine, I think. The next one says:
"Jedinak real man. Westwood shit sack."
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Crikey. Bit over the top.
(http://i.imgur.com/p4tpQKS.jpg)
It's genuine, I think. The next one says:
"Jedinak real man. Westwood shit sack."
"Richards big problem. Who know glue factory in city?"
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Crikey. Bit over the top.
(http://i.imgur.com/p4tpQKS.jpg)
It's genuine, I think. The next one says:
"Jedinak real man. Westwood shit sack."
"Richards big problem. Who know glue factory in city?"
tis humorous though
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The latest (from about an hour ago):
Dr. Tony Xia @Dr_TonyXia 1h1 hour ago
Dr. Tony Xia Retweeted Geth
I think that maybe will be the last and the most challenge deal 4us before the window close.🙏🍻Dr. Tony Xia added,
Geth @GjamieJ
@Dr_TonyXia what about the "real no9", Dr?
72 retweets 224 likes
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I think he's been fairly clear all along that another striker is on the list so I fully expect to see someone in.
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Hope it's not the last deal...could do with another midfielder and maybe a RB. Great business to date though...
edit..unless he meant that will be the last deal we will do as it will be so late in the window.
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He's added that there'll be an easier one before the number 9.
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Easier one(s), so possibly more than one.
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Crikey. Bit over the top.
(http://i.imgur.com/p4tpQKS.jpg)
It's genuine, I think. The next one says:
"Jedinak real man. Westwood shit sack."
Spat my tea out at this one.
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The name calling one's can't be real can they? If they are, he's probably using the same language as whoever tweeted him. That could get him into trouble very quickly.
If the number 9 is so difficult to get, it sounds out like it could be quite an ambitious one.
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It's not real. But it is really amusing.
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I'm loving the transfer stuff, this time of year at most clubs you get "well we're pretty happy but we'd like to get one or 2 more in if we can, we'll have to see" or similar. Xia is just throwing it out there that we'll be getting 2-3 more and 1 is going to be a striker. It's that refreshing transparency that I like.
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Crikey. Bit over the top.
(http://i.imgur.com/p4tpQKS.jpg)
;D]
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I'm loving the transfer stuff, this time of year at most clubs you get "well we're pretty happy but we'd like to get one or 2 more in if we can, we'll have to see" or similar. Xia is just throwing it out there that we'll be getting 2-3 more and 1 is going to be a striker. It's that refreshing transparency that I like.
It's not the best negotiating tactic though to announce a signing publicly before you've actually agreed it. Whoever the club we're trying to get the striker from is will know he's in a weaker position having put the pressure on himself to come up with a striker.
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I'm loving the transfer stuff, this time of year at most clubs you get "well we're pretty happy but we'd like to get one or 2 more in if we can, we'll have to see" or similar. Xia is just throwing it out there that we'll be getting 2-3 more and 1 is going to be a striker. It's that refreshing transparency that I like.
It's not the best negotiating tactic though to announce a signing publicly before you've actually agreed it. Whoever the club we're trying to get the striker from is will know he's in a weaker position having put the pressure on himself to come up with a striker.
By not naming players, a selling club will not know if their player is the only one being considered. Announcing intention or not puts a selling club in the same position.
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I'm loving the transfer stuff, this time of year at most clubs you get "well we're pretty happy but we'd like to get one or 2 more in if we can, we'll have to see" or similar. Xia is just throwing it out there that we'll be getting 2-3 more and 1 is going to be a striker. It's that refreshing transparency that I like.
It's not the best negotiating tactic though to announce a signing publicly before you've actually agreed it. Whoever the club we're trying to get the striker from is will know he's in a weaker position having put the pressure on himself to come up with a striker.
Not really, he's not said anything about who it is, if the club are doing things properly they'll have 2-3 options and if one is taking the piss like that they'll walk away. On top of that clubs have to be careful about who they piss off with things like this, football is quite a small circle, look at what happened with us and Hoolahan, we pissed Norwich off by taking Lambert and Steer so they screwed us.
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He is making Gregg Evans redundant :) bypassing media spin
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I'm loving the transfer stuff, this time of year at most clubs you get "well we're pretty happy but we'd like to get one or 2 more in if we can, we'll have to see" or similar. Xia is just throwing it out there that we'll be getting 2-3 more and 1 is going to be a striker. It's that refreshing transparency that I like.
It's not the best negotiating tactic though to announce a signing publicly before you've actually agreed it. Whoever the club we're trying to get the striker from is will know he's in a weaker position having put the pressure on himself to come up with a striker.
Not really, he's not said anything about who it is, if the club are doing things properly they'll have 2-3 options and if one is taking the piss like that they'll walk away. On top of that clubs have to be careful about who they piss off with things like this, football is quite a small circle, look at what happened with us and Hoolahan, we pissed Norwich off by taking Lambert and Steer so they screwed us.
I doubt RDM has 2/3 strikers in mind which he has absolutely no preference over. Even if he has identified 2/3 he'll have given Tone an order of priority. The selling club knows the fans are expecting a striker so as soon as we contact them they'll know they're in a relatively strong position.
I prefer it when we say nothing until the day the player's stretching a shirt in front of Bodymoor Heath.
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Crikey. Bit over the top.
(http://i.imgur.com/p4tpQKS.jpg)
It's genuine, I think. The next one says:
"Jedinak real man. Westwood shit sack."
Spat my tea out at this one.
im getting strange looks from people staring at the laughing idiot on the train
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He is making Gregg Evans redundant :) bypassing media spin
The Mail will have plenty of readers who won't follow Xia on Twitter or even use forums.
When he researched us he must have seen how much dis-trust Lerner's approach was causing and decided that Twitter would be a good way to be transparent and build a relationship with the fans. Despite the risks, it's working so far.
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https://twitter.com/dr_tonyxia/status/766401275873427456
Interesting. Did we not have technology before?
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Crikey. Bit over the top.
(http://i.imgur.com/p4tpQKS.jpg)
It's genuine, I think. The next one says:
"Jedinak real man. Westwood shit sack."
Marvellous.
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I wonder if Dr T writes all these tweets or is he has employed Samuel K Amphong to do them for him. Look out for suspicious references to beatlesband.
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https://twitter.com/dr_tonyxia/status/766401275873427456
Interesting. Did we not have technology before?
Well we had a five year plan before depending on who you believe.
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I'm loving the transfer stuff, this time of year at most clubs you get "well we're pretty happy but we'd like to get one or 2 more in if we can, we'll have to see" or similar. Xia is just throwing it out there that we'll be getting 2-3 more and 1 is going to be a striker. It's that refreshing transparency that I like.
It's not the best negotiating tactic though to announce a signing publicly before you've actually agreed it. Whoever the club we're trying to get the striker from is will know he's in a weaker position having put the pressure on himself to come up with a striker.
As soon as we pick up the phone to ask about a striker, they know we're after a striker.
What pressure is there? He's signed a bunch of decent players, been open and transparent about his intentions, and frankly delivered so far.
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https://twitter.com/dr_tonyxia/status/766401275873427456
Interesting. Did we not have technology before?
Well we had a five year plan before depending on who you believe.
It was actually a six year plan.
This was it:
Year 1: Do ok
Year 2: Do better
Year 3: Do the same
Year 4: Do the same
Year 5: Do worse
Year 6: Withdraw from club quicker than a rat up a drainpipe
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I prefer a one year plan for promotion. Five year plans tend to go a bit pear shaped if you get relegated in year one.
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Crikey. Bit over the top.
(http://i.imgur.com/p4tpQKS.jpg)
It's genuine, I think. The next one says:
"Jedinak real man. Westwood shit sack."
"Richards big problem. Who know glue factory in city?"
That is completely brilliant, well done all.
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I'm loving the transfer stuff, this time of year at most clubs you get "well we're pretty happy but we'd like to get one or 2 more in if we can, we'll have to see" or similar. Xia is just throwing it out there that we'll be getting 2-3 more and 1 is going to be a striker. It's that refreshing transparency that I like.
It's not the best negotiating tactic though to announce a signing publicly before you've actually agreed it. Whoever the club we're trying to get the striker from is will know he's in a weaker position having put the pressure on himself to come up with a striker.
Not really, he's not said anything about who it is, if the club are doing things properly they'll have 2-3 options and if one is taking the piss like that they'll walk away. On top of that clubs have to be careful about who they piss off with things like this, football is quite a small circle, look at what happened with us and Hoolahan, we pissed Norwich off by taking Lambert and Steer so they screwed us.
Agreed . Xia is a savloy and smart business person.
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Who's going to be first...
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Who's going to be first...
In a way, I feel it should be me - what with the German connection and all. Unfortunately, none of my sausage puns pass mustard.
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I fear the wurst on this thread now.
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Signing someone by the name of Toad I believe. Plays in the Hole apparently.*
*Groans
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(http://media.balls.ie/uploads/2014/01/york.gif)
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You took your time.....
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I reckon 10% of my posts on here are that gif.
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JESUS...........(say it backwards).....
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Youll have to give me a link to where we are going with this.
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I fear the wurst on this thread now.
That was it! That was the one! How on earth did I miss that?!
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I fear the wurst on this thread now.
That was it! That was the one! How on earth did I miss that?!
The mustard one was pretty good though.
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Tonight on Twitter.
@Dr_TonyXia Hi Tony can you confirm how many loan players and transfers you are hoping to sign before transfer window closes.
No. Can't confirmed since it's very complicated,definitely a few more but don't know how many until the last minute
Gregg Evans must hate this!
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Somebody put up a picture of Mila Kunis and stand back for those who would like to bang 'er.
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Tonight on Twitter.
@Dr_TonyXia Hi Tony can you confirm how many loan players and transfers you are hoping to sign before transfer window closes.
No. Can't confirmed since it's very complicated,definitely a few more but don't know how many until the last minute
Gregg Evans must hate this!
probably not, he just regurgitates poorly anyway
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I fear the wurst on this thread now.
That was it! That was the one! How on earth did I miss that?!
The mustard one was pretty good though.
Yeah, that was hot...
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I fear the wurst on this thread now.
That was it! That was the one! How on earth did I miss that?!
Agreed. You had nothing Toulouse after all.
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Going back to the original comment, is he a Chinese sausage?
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None of these puns are weiners!
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I like the Lego VP and Dr Tony
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Be careful with all this loose talk about sausages. After all Walls have ears.
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After his goal against Rotheram I'm hoping Gestede can chip a lot a keepers in the future.
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I meant to say savvy !!
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I meant to say savvy !!
It's too late, you can't put the genie back in the bottle!
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I meant to say savvy !!
It's too late, you can't put the genie back in the bottle!
Does that mean I could get her pregnant
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Genies footy are, at least all the ones I have met, eunuchs so you would be pretty safe on that score. Jeanies however could require more care in the procreation department.
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You're all carrying on like a bunch of Brats.
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To be Frank we are a weenie bit.
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There's only one snag with that.
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Tony reckons the paperwork on Jedi's deal will complete on Tuesday. A whole week when he's aleady got a work permit til 2017. Crazy.
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It's not really that far fetched. In fact compared to your regular bloke on a work Visa it is very quick indeed. The Visa isn't being challenged, the paperwork pertaining to it has to be updated with the new information. Jedinak will prove to be a very influential signing once he gets settled.
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Tony reckons the paperwork on Jedi's deal will complete on Tuesday. A whole week when he's aleady got a work permit til 2017. Crazy.
If you move clubs you have to apply for a new work permit
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Jedinak's eligibility hadn't changed, his job hadn't changed, just his workplace. Everybody knows who he is. There's no sensible reason why he should have been prevented from doing his job while they change his paperwork.
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Jedinak's eligibility hadn't changed, his job hadn't changed, just his workplace. Everybody knows who he is. There's no sensible reason why he should have been prevented from doing his job while they change his paperwork.
But if it worked like that wouldn't he have been available. When I lived initially in Toronto I was on a work permit. This would have been 1998-2002. I was offered a promotion but it happened to be in Ottawa. I was more than qualified for the position. However the process just to allow me to move cities with the same organization was so complex and the government made it challenging for me to move without significant evidence to prove of my qualification but as importantly that I wasn't taking the job of a Canadian citizen and existing resident of Ottawa. In the end my paperwork was approved and I was allowed to move, but it took the better part of 6 weeks. It seems straightforward and maybe it is for Jedinak, but you are dealing with work permits and government agencies. Nothing is as easy as it might appear.
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Jedinak's eligibility hadn't changed, his job hadn't changed, just his workplace. Everybody knows who he is. There's no sensible reason why he should have been prevented from doing his job while they change his paperwork.
But if it worked like that wouldn't he have been available. When I lived initially in Toronto I was on a work permit. This would have been 1998-2002. I was offered a promotion but it happened to be in Ottawa. I was more than qualified for the position. However the process just to allow me to move cities with the same organization was so complex and the government made it challenging for me to move without significant evidence to prove of my qualification but as importantly that I wasn't taking the job of a Canadian citizen and existing resident of Ottawa. In the end my paperwork was approved and I was allowed to move, but it took the better part of 6 weeks. It seems straightforward and maybe it is for Jedinak, but you are dealing with work permits and government agencies. Nothing is as easy as it might appear.
It's cuz he's even more furrin than a Frenchman!
When we Brexicate it will be easy ;-)
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Jedinak's eligibility hadn't changed, his job hadn't changed, just his workplace. Everybody knows who he is. There's no sensible reason why he should have been prevented from doing his job while they change his paperwork.
But if it worked like that wouldn't he have been available. When I lived initially in Toronto I was on a work permit. This would have been 1998-2002. I was offered a promotion but it happened to be in Ottawa. I was more than qualified for the position. However the process just to allow me to move cities with the same organization was so complex and the government made it challenging for me to move without significant evidence to prove of my qualification but as importantly that I wasn't taking the job of a Canadian citizen and existing resident of Ottawa. In the end my paperwork was approved and I was allowed to move, but it took the better part of 6 weeks. It seems straightforward and maybe it is for Jedinak, but you are dealing with work permits and government agencies. Nothing is as easy as it might appear.
I'm not denying the bureaucracy. I'm just saying it's needless.
When I changed jobs abroad it was a few weeks before I got my official work permit, but I wasn't stopped from working.
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Jedinak's eligibility hadn't changed, his job hadn't changed, just his workplace. Everybody knows who he is. There's no sensible reason why he should have been prevented from doing his job while they change his paperwork.
But if it worked like that wouldn't he have been available. When I lived initially in Toronto I was on a work permit. This would have been 1998-2002. I was offered a promotion but it happened to be in Ottawa. I was more than qualified for the position. However the process just to allow me to move cities with the same organization was so complex and the government made it challenging for me to move without significant evidence to prove of my qualification but as importantly that I wasn't taking the job of a Canadian citizen and existing resident of Ottawa. In the end my paperwork was approved and I was allowed to move, but it took the better part of 6 weeks. It seems straightforward and maybe it is for Jedinak, but you are dealing with work permits and government agencies. Nothing is as easy as it might appear.
I'm not denying the bureaucracy. I'm just saying it's needless.
When I changed jobs abroad it was a few weeks before I got my official work permit, but I wasn't stopped from working.
We have work permits over here, and they're tied to the particular employer. I needed one for my first five years, and when I changed job in that time, my new employer had to reapply for a work permit. Being in a normal job rather than sport though, the 4 week notice period meant that it was taken care of before I started at the new place. Had I been in the position of needing the paperwork for an immediate start like Jedinak, I'd have had the same short wait.
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There are 2 things I have little to do with work wise but when forced to be involved with guaranteed to piss me off beyond words - proof of right to work in the UK and DBS checks.
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Hmm. Dr X's latest tweet seems to imply that Ravel Morrison had not been on our list but now is.
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What did he say?
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There are 2 things I have little to do with work wise but when forced to be involved with guaranteed to piss me off beyond words - proof of right to work in the UK and DBS checks.
DBS checks <shudder>. The SIA offices closed recently as well - no wonder nobody can get job!
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What did he say?
He said
Until today, he hasn't been on our list.
So does he mean up until this point he hasn't been considered and still isn't, or up until this point he hasn't been considered but now is?
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Please no, Ravel is not the answer to our issues. There is a reason he cant stay at a club for any length of time, it's because he has a bad attitude, is inconsistent and is over-rated anyway.
We are working to get rid of the existing bad attitude players, why bring one in at this point.
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Please no, Ravel is not the answer to our issues. There is a reason he cant stay at a club for any length of time, it's because he has a bad attitude, is inconsistent and is over-rated anyway.
We are working to get rid of the existing bad attitude players, why bring one in at this point.
A loan deal wouldn't be a risk. We need creativity. I still think Gil would've been good in this league.
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What did he say?
He said
Until today, he hasn't been on our list.
So does he mean up until this point he hasn't been considered and still isn't, or up until this point he hasn't been considered but now is?
He could well just mean "He has never been on our list, and still isn't". Germans use "until today" in that way. It's a translation thing.
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Please no, Ravel is not the answer to our issues
I'd say he's exactly the answer to our issues. He's got a bit of pace, he's creative, he takes players on and he can score goals from midfield. Which of those qualities do we currently not need out of interest ?
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Please no, Ravel is not the answer to our issues
I'd say he's exactly the answer to our issues. He's got a bit of pace, he's creative, he takes players on and he can score goals from midfield. Which of those qualities do we currently not need out of interest ?
Those qualities would be great if that's all they came with, but unfortunately it's the mental side of his game that's the problem. How many times have "problem" players worked out well for teams, especially us?
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He may not have been available until today, or the deal may have been dead weeks ago and now isn't?
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his second tweet is a pretty emphatic we are not interested imo
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As I don't Twitter, would someone who does please copy/paste these last two tweets please. Thanks in advance.
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As I don't Twitter, would someone who does please copy/paste these last two tweets please. Thanks in advance.
You don't need an account to read tweets, here is the link to his account. https://twitter.com/dr_tonyxia
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As I don't Twitter, would someone who does please copy/paste these last two tweets please. Thanks in advance.
1st one was "we haven't considered him until today", the second was "the UK press are more reliable in comparison". They both were answers to questions from other people with the latter to a post from an Italian sports paper reporting Morrison hadn't travelled with Lazio as he had been linked to Aston Villa.
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Thanks both I appreciate it. I didn't know you can read tweets without being on Twitter.
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"We're working very hard 2have a world class 9#striker. Very close to the new full back. Hope both will happen next week! Enjoy weekend!#UTV"
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"We're working very hard 2have a world class 9#striker. Very close to the new full back. Hope both will happen next week! Enjoy weekend!#UTV"
Any guesses?...World class striker prepared to play Championship football?
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Grant Holt
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Who was the last 'world class' striker to play in the Championship?
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Fuck me Jozy Altidore is finally on his way.
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We finally get Benni McCarthy.
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"We're working very hard 2have a world class 9#striker. Very close to the new full back. Hope both will happen next week! Enjoy weekend!#UTV"
I'm going for Bryant and May.
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"We're working very hard 2have a world class 9#striker. Very close to the new full back. Hope both will happen next week! Enjoy weekend!#UTV"
Hope it is this week as there will be very little time next week.
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"We're working very hard 2have a world class 9#striker. Very close to the new full back. Hope both will happen next week! Enjoy weekend!#UTV"
Any guesses?...World class striker prepared to play Championship football?
I am going to make the lazy link by way of dispelling it.
Drogba.
Happily RDM has shown he doesnt let sentiment get in the way of practicality so it wont happen.
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You could sell sand to an Arab Tony but you can't sell to me Aston Villa in the Championship are getting a world class striker, unless Benteke has changed his twitter again.
Has to be either Bamford, Wells, Kodjia or he doesn't know what a No. 9 is and it's Morrison. The full back is probably the De Laet or Yedlin.
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"We're working very hard 2have a world class 9#striker. Very close to the new full back. Hope both will happen next week! Enjoy weekend!#UTV"
Any guesses?...World class striker prepared to play Championship football?
David Villa?
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'World Class' can be a very subjective term.
This could be where some turn on Dr Tone's Twitter activity if the striker isn't seen as being world class or if the deals don't come off.
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I hope the "world class" comment doesnt come back to bite him, when we do sign whoever it is.
Probably would have been better to just say "Working on signing a new #9" which would have been accepted and made everyone happy as I really really doubt anyone world class is coming to this league.
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I don't think the Doc gives a hoot about being bitten. We'll see soon enough what we have left in the chamber in this window. It's been good so far but then it needed to be given where we were coming from. We still lack in certain areas so if we spend another £10m or so it will be as much if not more than any of us had hoped for.
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Tony is no fool. The "world class" might well be a bit of ego massage for somebody who is also being courted by other clubs.
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Also world class Brian is to be used in context to what he has seen so far down the Villa. A cone is world class compared to Gabby as an example. Libor Kozak did a good cone impression yesterday.
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The guy has said we'll be as big as Barça in five years, so I think describing Patrick Bamford as 'world class' is well within his capabilities.
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Tony is no fool. The "world class" might well be a bit of ego massage for somebody who is also being courted by other clubs.
Think this is the reason. Sending signal to the target how highly rated he is by them
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Maybe, but he has got everybody's attention. Will live in an age of hyperbole. How many Olympic athletes have you heard say that the taking part is what it is all about.
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Tony is no fool. The "world class" might well be a bit of ego massage for somebody who is also being courted by other clubs.
Think this is the reason. Sending signal to the target how highly rated he is by them
There doesn't seem to be many of todays players who don't think they are world classs.
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Precisely four for. We could well be seeing a whole new way of clubs dealing with players, agents, fans and the media. Like TV says I don't think Tony gives a hoot about being bitten. He wants change for the better at the club he owns. If that means by passing the media and letting his feelings be known he will do it. He is reinventing Villa as a cards on the table kind of club, not one that does not want to upset anybody. Resurrection via the media happened at Watford with Reg Dwight, at Coventry with Jimmy Hill and at Wimbledon with one of the biggest bunch of blackguards ever assembled just by getting the tag Crazy Gang.
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I reckon it'll be Hernandez. Him being a full international, scorer of PL goals and playing at the World Cup will be his justification.
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Precisely four for. We could well be seeing a whole new way of clubs dealing with players, agents, fans and the media. Like TV says I don't think Tony gives a hoot about being bitten. He wants change for the better at the club he owns. If that means by passing the media and letting his feelings be known he will do it. He is reinventing Villa as a cards on the table kind of club, not one that does not want to upset anybody. Resurrection via the media happened at Watford with Reg Dwight, at Coventry with Jimmy Hill and at Wimbledon with one of the biggest bunch of blackguards ever assembled just by getting the tag Crazy Gang.
Wolfie Smith," battles to fight and rights to right. "
p.s. Ive had a few too many.
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He meant to type 'working class striker', which rules out Bamford.
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Heskey's coming home.
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Let's see what he can do.
He managed to get a Mondeo in and out of Rome's traffic afterall.
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it's clearly Slimani ;D
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Due to the aforementioned traffic Tony had to complete the trip on a scooter. It has to be Gabriel Batistuta.
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Tweeted "indirectly" that not a youngster or a championship striker.
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Falcao
van Persie
Drogba
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Our Tone's now cracking gags about his dictionary.
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I reckon it'll be Hernandez. Him being a full international, scorer of PL goals and playing at the World Cup will be his justification.
I think this too.
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Will Grigg?
I am by no-means saying he is world class.
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Will's a very good player
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"We're working very hard 2have a world class 9#striker. Very close to the new full back. Hope both will happen next week! Enjoy weekend!#UTV"
I'm going for Bryant and May.
at least they will be match fit
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"We're working very hard 2have a world class 9#striker. Very close to the new full back. Hope both will happen next week! Enjoy weekend!#UTV"
I'm going for Bryant and May.
at least they will be match fit
they will light up the defence
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"We're working very hard 2have a world class 9#striker. Very close to the new full back. Hope both will happen next week! Enjoy weekend!#UTV"
I'm going for Bryant and May.
at least they will be match fit
they will light up the defence
Please stop it, haven't we sulphered enough?
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More likely we'd get burnt again.
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Won't get burnt, they're good strikers...
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Emmanuel Adebayor has been described as such as Dimitor Berbatov. There's also hal Robson kanu world class showing in euros but I think we could be looking at miroslav klose or ronaldinho! Now those 2 are world class!
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We have just signed a world-class striker the Crystal Palace co-chairman Steve Parish said when they signed adepaymemore! So won't be the first to suggest such subjective outlandish comments
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It's Hernandez according to this report.
http://www.footballinsider247.com/aston-villa-preparing-bid-for-26-year-old-premier-league-star-report/
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only it's a bit late in the day to just be 'preparing' a bid? He's been rumoured to be on our shopping list for weeks so I hope talks are well advanced - the clock is ticking!
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Clancy's Tweets
https://twitter.com/BrumLeader/status/766598252569489408
Good to see Tony Xia recognising his and Villa's civic responsibilities (being by far the greatest team the world has ever seen and all that) and meeting the leader of the council... Don't suppose Randy ever sought a meeting with Albert Bore but p'raps I'm being unfair. Maybe he did in those early days.
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Clancy's Tweets
https://twitter.com/BrumLeader/status/766598252569489408
Good to see Tony Xia recognising his and Villa's civic responsibilities (being by far the greatest team the world has ever seen and all that) and meeting the leader of the council... Don't suppose Randy ever sought a meeting with Albert Bore but p'raps I'm being unfair. Maybe he did in those early days.
There is something rather bitter/sweet about the tag 'Championship Giants'.
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Clancy's Tweets
https://twitter.com/BrumLeader/status/766598252569489408
Good to see Tony Xia recognising his and Villa's civic responsibilities (being by far the greatest team the world has ever seen and all that) and meeting the leader of the council... Don't suppose Randy ever sought a meeting with Albert Bore but p'raps I'm being unfair. Maybe he did in those early days.
There is something rather bitter/sweet about the tag 'Championship Giants'.
A bit like taking the best looking girl home from the club then finding out she has a full set of male genitalia?
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Clancy's Tweets
https://twitter.com/BrumLeader/status/766598252569489408
Good to see Tony Xia recognising his and Villa's civic responsibilities (being by far the greatest team the world has ever seen and all that) and meeting the leader of the council... Don't suppose Randy ever sought a meeting with Albert Bore but p'raps I'm being unfair. Maybe he did in those early days.
There is something rather bitter/sweet about the tag 'Championship Giants'.
A bit like taking the best looking girl home from the club then finding out she has a full set of male genitalia?
Doesn't that come with the health warning, 'Beware, may contain nuts'
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Clancy's Tweets
https://twitter.com/BrumLeader/status/766598252569489408
Good to see Tony Xia recognising his and Villa's civic responsibilities (being by far the greatest team the world has ever seen and all that) and meeting the leader of the council... Don't suppose Randy ever sought a meeting with Albert Bore but p'raps I'm being unfair. Maybe he did in those early days.
There is something rather bitter/sweet about the tag 'Championship Giants'.
A bit like taking the best looking girl home from the club then finding out she has a full set of male genitalia?
You say that like its a bad thing.
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He's certainly cutting through the media bullshit today.
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Clancy's Tweets
https://twitter.com/BrumLeader/status/766598252569489408
Good to see Tony Xia recognising his and Villa's civic responsibilities (being by far the greatest team the world has ever seen and all that) and meeting the leader of the council... Don't suppose Randy ever sought a meeting with Albert Bore but p'raps I'm being unfair. Maybe he did in those early days.
There is something rather bitter/sweet about the tag 'Championship Giants'.
A bit like taking the best looking girl home from the club then finding out she has a full set of male genitalia?
You say that like its a bad thing.
I'd treat it like a helicopter parachute payment.
Freudian slip there for fans of Man Down.
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See the last line of the best movie ever, Some Like It Hot.
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His tweets are currently just showing how much utter utter shit is written as speculation. He's very refreshing and I hope he remains this involved and interested in the long term.
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He's behaving like a true supporter rather than the typical owner, good on him.
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It will not be long before other more far sighted owners, probably new ones, start to copy him. I wish I could recall which poster on here nailed it very early that he has moved club ownership into the 21st century. Very appropriate that it should be for a club still in the 19th.
By being prepared as TV insightfully said, not to give a hoot about being bitten he has at stroke body swerved the media and agents who spawn managers like Sherwood. Like Adama Traore going round a full back.
A Billy big bollocks player like Gabby might treat a weak, insecure, unsupported manager like Remi Garde like shit, but they won't treat a 42 year old Chinese billionaire with anything but respect. Especially when he has his phone in his hand.
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well said, at the minute Tone is just what the Doctor ordered.
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He has certainly reinvigorated my enthusiasm.
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It will not be long before other more far sighted owners, probably new ones, start to copy him. I wish I could recall which poster on here nailed it very early that he has moved club ownership into the 21st century. Very appropriate that it should be for a club still in the 19th century.
*cough*
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well said, at the minute Tone is just what the Doctor ordered.
Didn't the 'General' get lots of plaudits for posting in the'honeymoon' period and when the going got tough he retweeted or should that be retreated! Early days yet lets not forget all the early days of Lerner when we were given false optimism 'bright future' etc etc - There is a long way to go for our new owner to convince me things will be different but hopefully this time we will have an owner who does not lose interest.
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I met the General and he was a very decent bloke as you would expect a man with his record to be. His problem was the same as Randy Lerner he just did not get football nor did he get how unique each family of football fans is. Tony Xia gets it completely. The story of him needing to be calmed down in the Luton Directors' lounge after the Luton game does it for me. Carpe diem.
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I was really sceptical about his tweeting. But I'm coming round to it. It does make him seem really genuine and connect with the fans. The reception he got looked great. Frankly, if he gets us halfway towards where he's aiming then he's welcome to as much of the limelight as he wants
He will be held to account for his tweets though. The commitment to a world class number 9 is going to be hard to deliver!
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As long as you avoid racism, sexism, homophobia, politics, religion and personal abuse on Twitter, you can say pretty much whatever you like.
Tony is no idiot. He's identified that one of the many fuck ups of the Randy Lerner era was the distance he allowed to grow between the club and the fans. By the end the club was completely fractured, and now there's been a coming together. Part of that is to do with the chairman's reconnection. He's also standing up for the club, which I haven't seen anyone do for years.
Twitter is a powerful tool if you're smart with it. There will be snags and hitches, but I think he's shrewd enough to deal with them. His emoticons, jokes and direct responses to fans are how to engage with people in the modern world. As has been said before, we're in a new era now, both in society and for the club.
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On Saturday after the match, Elphick said that the players had to re-connect with the supporters, so with Tony's tweets this must also be part of that process
At the moment I quite like the fact that if a paper prints something about the club / players, then Tony tells us what is actually happening
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I hope that the media doesnt turn on him though. Everytime they run bs story from a "source understands" he pretty much smashes it straight away and makes them look like the bullshit merchants they really are. Imagine if every owner did this? they would struggle for sales and clickbait eventually.
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The other thing you have to realise about Tony is that he is a businessman. He will have worked out long ago that one of the club's biggest assets is its fan base. He is looking after that asset in a way Lerner never even attempted to do. Tony bought Villa at a rock bottom price for what we are. He knows that. With a few new players in and some of the dead wood being removed he has already added what? £10 million to the resale value of his investment. Get us back into the Premiership and he can trouser anything up to £100 million. All that and he is clearly loving every minute of it.
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I also like the fact that he deflecting a lot of attention away from RDM. RDM has been left to get on with the job by the fans and the media, which can only make his job a hell of a lot easier.
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Yes true. The opposite of Randy in fact, whose invisible man routine was initially dressed up as him not interfering with t day to day affairs, but came to look more and more like he was just happy for managers to take the pelters while he hid in the shadows.
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I like the fact it cuts through the media and agent bullshit. Bring the ****** down a peg or two.
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This morning -
"Get one signing done. Waiting for announcement.#UTV "
10:56 AM - 23 Aug 2016
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I don't think for one second that he is star struck, over excited or getting carried away.
I reckon he is a hard nosed business man who is calculating how to give just enough information to keep everyone enthused and informed.
I love it
(and him, for now)
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I hope that the media doesnt turn on him though. Everytime they run bs story from a "source understands" he pretty much smashes it straight away and makes them look like the bullshit merchants they really are. Imagine if every owner did this? they would struggle for sales and clickbait eventually.
In the case of our marvellous local paper they would be stupid to turn on him because he does their work for them....they long gave up anything other than rehashing others work so Dr Tony is perfect for them.
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I hope that the media doesnt turn on him though. Everytime they run bs story from a "source understands" he pretty much smashes it straight away and makes them look like the bullshit merchants they really are. Imagine if every owner did this? they would struggle for sales and clickbait eventually.
In the case of our marvellous local paper they would be stupid to turn on him because he does their work for them....they long gave up anything other than rehashing others work so Dr Tony is perfect for them.
All the Post & Mail write now is headlines; the rest is a collection of tweets and adverts for French Lessons.
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I hope that the media doesnt turn on him though. Everytime they run bs story from a "source understands" he pretty much smashes it straight away and makes them look like the bullshit merchants they really are. Imagine if every owner did this? they would struggle for sales and clickbait eventually.
In the case of our marvellous local paper they would be stupid to turn on him because he does their work for them....they long gave up anything other than rehashing others work so Dr Tony is perfect for them.
All the Post & Mail write now is headlines; the rest is a collection of tweets and adverts for French Lessons.
Mr Cockthrottle, you forgot the lovely camera/face sessions that they do now too! Matt 'why print it when you can say it' Kendrick.
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For me as a Villa fan, it was close anyway, but now he has made reading the The Mail completely irrelevant and obsolete. Just wait on he owner to deny a rumour or suggest a signing is imminent l, or has been made and it ends up being the case. No need for Kendrick or Evanns. Tony is making it look all very natural indeed right now on Twitter but it will be interesting when we get promoted how he handles the PL spotlight. Still I'm enjoying it.
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What I'm noticing on here is that a lot of people are coming round to seeing his twitter in the same way I did at the start. The natural apprehensions took hold of a lot of people but now they're seeing the value of him doing what he's doing those are melting away. There will be bumps, that's clearly unavoidable, but he's been canny enough with most of his messages that we can't really hold him to anything. The world class 9 is the big one he now needs to get right, if that signing is as good as people are hoping then his summer on twitter will have been a complete success.
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I had my doubts about our Tone on twittering, I don't use it but find the updates from others brilliant to read. On having the funds to back up his claims of investment, we had heard a lot of new owners make bold claims only for them to disappear (are you listening Dogshitters and Bitters?) yet we have done some very good business along the window. His claim of sorting out the bad apples (apart from Richards being anywhere near the team) is as good as done. And if his current form remains we are about to get an exciting new CF.
I also remember Hollis stating that his vision to develop the local area was very exciting and recently he is pictured courting both Lord Mayors so I would imagine plans for that are developing as well
I really think every fan and every player owes it to this guy to do everything we can to repay him with a return to the big money league
UTV
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What I'm noticing on here is that a lot of people are coming round to seeing his twitter in the same way I did at the start. The natural apprehensions took hold of a lot of people but now they're seeing the value of him doing what he's doing those are melting away. There will be bumps, that's clearly unavoidable, but he's been canny enough with most of his messages that we can't really hold him to anything. The world class 9 is the big one he now needs to get right, if that signing is as good as people are hoping then his summer on twitter will have been a complete success.
we heard it there first :-)
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I had my doubts about the good Doctor from the start, I have been extremely sceptical about everything that's gone on from the takeover, the board, the twittering etc
so hands up, he hasn't put a foot wrong so far
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The test for him will be when we go through a sticky patch but it's worked better than I thought it would so far and I was one of the one's who thought he should never have joined up to twitter in the first place.
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I had my doubts about our Tone on twittering, I don't use it but find the updates from others brilliant to read. On having the funds to back up his claims of investment, we had heard a lot of new owners make bold claims only for them to disappear (are you listening Dogshitters and Bitters?) yet we have done some very good business along the window. His claim of sorting out the bad apples (apart from Richards being anywhere near the team) is as good as done. And if his current form remains we are about to get an exciting new CF.
I also remember Hollis stating that his vision to develop the local area was very exciting and recently he is pictured courting both Lord Mayors so I would imagine plans for that are developing as well
I really think every fan and every player owes it to this guy to do everything we can to repay him with a return to the big money league
UTV
We've got two Lord Mayors?
Stitch that M*********!
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Carl Rice and who?
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Carl Rice and who?
We haven't. The other bloke was John Clancy, BCC leader. He's the one with the power. They're both Villa fans I think, Clancy certainly is.
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I had my doubts about the good Doctor from the start, I have been extremely sceptical about everything that's gone on from the takeover, the board, the twittering etc
so hands up, he hasn't put a foot wrong so far
Agreed and very early days. Spending our Premiership payment in the Championship is far easier and goes a lot further than the cost of the rebuild should we get promoted. The parachute payment will be over £60m less than the teams that managed to survive. It really was the worst year to get relegated.
Saying that, right now I'm pretty happy that we seem to be doing everything I expected for us to be in a position for automatic promotion. For once, we actually look like we might be 'prepared'.
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I had my doubts about the good Doctor from the start, I have been extremely sceptical about everything that's gone on from the takeover, the board, the twittering etc
so hands up, he hasn't put a foot wrong so far
Agreed and very early days. Spending our Premiership payment in the Championship is far easier and goes a lot further than the cost of the rebuild should we get promoted. The parachute payment will be over £60m less than the teams that managed to survive. It really was the worst year to get relegated.
Saying that, right now I'm pretty happy that we seem to be doing everything I expected for us to be in a position for automatic promotion. For once, we actually look like we might be 'prepared'.
Yes, now we've dropped 'prepared' bit from our badge, it looks like we're becoming it.
Quick, drop the star as well.
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Does anybody else see this thread title and think to themselves:
"This is a song about a superhero named Tony, it's called Tony's Tweets"
or is it just me?
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Does anybody else see this thread title and think to themselves:
"This is a song about a superhero named Tony, it's called Tony's Tweets"
or is it just me?
Err...um...
What? :)
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it's the heat.
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Does anybody else see this thread title and think to themselves:
"This is a song about a superhero named Tony, it's called Tony's Tweets"
or is it just me?
Err...um...
What? :)
No Baloney.
I do now.
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This tread reminds me of this..
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Walter White and Jesse had one just like that.
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Tone's now laying into Lerner. Like it.
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Tone's now laying into Lerner. Like it.
beat me.
Dr. Tony Xia @Dr_TonyXia 24m24 minutes ago
Dr. Tony Xia Retweeted Dr. Tony Xia
I was told by RL the squad was good enough before takeover. Now it's close to good enough with one more week's work!
- Also like it.
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Tone's now laying into Lerner. Like it.
beat me.
Dr. Tony Xia @Dr_TonyXia 24m24 minutes ago
Dr. Tony Xia Retweeted Dr. Tony Xia
I was told by RL the squad was good enough before takeover. Now it's close to good enough with one more week's work!
- Also like it.
Excellent!!!
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Tone's now laying into Lerner. Like it.
beat me.
Dr. Tony Xia @Dr_TonyXia 24m24 minutes ago
Dr. Tony Xia Retweeted Dr. Tony Xia
I was told by RL the squad was good enough before takeover. Now it's close to good enough with one more week's work!
- Also like it.
I'm lovin this guy. No nonsense, no mercy!
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Tone's now laying into Lerner. Like it.
beat me.
Dr. Tony Xia @Dr_TonyXia 24m24 minutes ago
Dr. Tony Xia Retweeted Dr. Tony Xia
I was told by RL the squad was good enough before takeover. Now it's close to good enough with one more week's work!
- Also like it.
Excellent!!!
Nail hit firmly on head!
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Fuckin' brilliant Tone !
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Does anybody else see this thread title and think to themselves:
"This is a song about a superhero named Tony, it's called Tony's Tweets"
or is it just me?
Err...um...
What? :)
One of the Pixies' more throwaway ones I thought. Then again a lot of them were two minute fizz bombs.
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Tone's now laying into Lerner. Like it.
beat me.
Dr. Tony Xia @Dr_TonyXia 24m24 minutes ago
Dr. Tony Xia Retweeted Dr. Tony Xia
I was told by RL the squad was good enough before takeover. Now it's close to good enough with one more week's work!
- Also like it.
Ha! Love it.
Busy week hopefully.
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Does anybody else see this thread title and think to themselves:
"This is a song about a superhero named Tony, it's called Tony's Tweets"
or is it just me?
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Err...um...
What? :)
One of the Pixies' more throwaway ones I thought. Then again a lot of them were two minute fizz bombs.
Ah. Now I feel shamed. I really liked The Pixies, but admit to paying little or no attention to lyrics.
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Whilst I'm enjoying the candour immensely, I get the impression failure to deliver would be unpleasant for all my n the firing line.
Still, given the aimless diddling of the last umpteen years...
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Has he said anything about changing the fucking shit badge with which we have been lumbered?
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Has he said anything about changing the fucking shit badge with which we have been lumbered?
At the moment he's got his work cut out changing the fucking shit team with which we have been lumbered.
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Has he said anything about changing the fucking shit badge with which we have been lumbered?
Yep - we're getting a new one once promoted; presumably so as to put all this unpleasantness firmly behind us. He tweeted about that a while back now, if I remember correctly.
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Hopefully he is on the crest. Of a wave...goodbye to Agbonlahor, Lescott Richards...
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Has he said anything about changing the fucking shit badge with which we have been lumbered?
Yep - we're getting a new one once promoted; presumably so as to put all this unpleasantness firmly behind us. He tweeted about that a while back now, if I remember correctly.
I'm pretty sure he will change it back to our 80s one. Or run a poll or something. I don't think he will dick about with designs. Maybe a slight update in terms of colour.
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I do wonder who is running all his other businesses at the moment, which adds an element of doubt for me. Either:
1. This level of in-put cannot be maintained (logically it would subside after the transfer window)
2. The empire he runs might not be as big as we hoped.
Neither option is the end of the world - and there are other scenarios like he has other people heading up the other companies - but ultimately I doubt this level of communication will be maintained.
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Lerner told him the squad was good enough, what a clueless tnuc he really was.
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I do wonder who is running all his other businesses at the moment, which adds an element of doubt for me. Either:
1. This level of in-put cannot be maintained (logically it would subside after the transfer window)
2. The empire he runs might not be as big as we hoped.
Neither option is the end of the world - and there are other scenarios like he has other people heading up the other companies - but ultimately I doubt this level of communication will be maintained.
Then enjoy it whilst it lasts. I am.
He has and is putting his money where his mouth is, as well as leading from the top down by saying the right things. The culture is slowly changing - maybe WHEN it's changed, he'll take a step back.
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Lerner told him the squad was good enough, what a clueless tnuc he really was.
Because he couldn't have found that out very easily.
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He is working on potentially his biggest earner. He is building momentum. With every player who comes in it makes it easier to get the next one. Everybody can see that he means business and is not dicking about. Ask him how much money he has got and he will give you a one word answer. Enough.
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Credit where credit is due to Tony. We've restructured the backroom team which looks on paper very good, we have a very solid looking spine (nearly, less CF), with more coming in it seems. He's not elusive and the fans and public seem involved with news and general information.
What a breath of fresh air he really is.
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He is working on potentially his biggest earner. He is building momentum. With every player who comes in it makes it easier to get the next one. Everybody can see that he means business and is not dicking about. Ask him how much money he has got and he will give you a one word answer. Enough.
Do we k is roughly how rich he is or the Recon Group?
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£10bn plus I've seen rumoured...
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Work it out. His company sells all the monosodium glutamate world wide. Every Chinese restaurant will have a big tub of it. Suppose each tub costs $100 and there are a million Chinese restaurants in the world. Suppose a tub of monosodium glutamate lasts a month, that is an income stream of $ 100 x 1,000,000 x 12 per annum. Like I say, more than enough.
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Work it out. His company sells all the monosodium glutamate world wide. Every Chinese restaurant will have a big tub of it. Suppose each tub costs $100 and there are a million Chinese restaurants in the world. Suppose a tub of monosodium glutamate lasts a month, that is an income stream of $ 100 x 1,000,000 x 12 per annum. Like I say, more than enough.
Bring back Lerner....that msg gear is what causes my wife's migraines !
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MSG isn't actually as bad as some make out. Glutamate occurs naturally within our own bodies as we process and metabolise food.
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Lerner told him the squad was good enough, what a clueless tnuc he really was.
If Lerner really believed that it's little wonder we had problems. It's more likely to be just a bit of sales fanny.
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He's hardly going to tell someone buying the club that the players are shit is he.
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But not hard to tell with 17 points bagged in a 38 game season.
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Credit where credit is due to Tony. We've restructured the backroom team which looks on paper very good, we have a very solid looking spine (nearly, less CF), with more coming in it seems. He's not elusive and the fans and public seem involved with news and general information.
What a breath of fresh air he really is.
Brilliant so far.
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Has he said anything about changing the fucking shit badge with which we have been lumbered?
At the moment he's got his work cut out changing the fucking shit team with which we have been lumbered.
Hahaha!
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I do wonder who is running all his other businesses at the moment, which adds an element of doubt for me. Either:
1. This level of in-put cannot be maintained (logically it would subside after the transfer window)
2. The empire he runs might not be as big as we hoped.
Neither option is the end of the world - and there are other scenarios like he has other people heading up the other companies - but ultimately I doubt this level of communication will be maintained.
He's probably got those businesses into a good state and built an infrastructure where they don't need him micro-managing everything. We need a lot of work up front to get us to that point but once he has, he may well take a step back and let competent people run the business. That was my problem with Lerner, I don't mind an owner taking a step back but the aforementioned things have to be in place first.
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Does anyone else get the impression that he is no ditherer, I think he would be in the deadly mould if the manager doesn't produce.
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Does anyone else get the impression that he is no ditherer, I think he would be in the deadly mould if the manager doesn't produce.
The man who wants us to be the biggest club in the world within 5 years? Whatever gave you that impression?
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I'm still not convinced to his real wealth but what I do like is his astuteness with our money. The fact he's taking a year out to oversee all things at VP comforts me but I do hope he is what we all need; somebody that takes us by the short and curlies, fixes the obvious and has a real financial plan for a club of our stature.
Maybe it's all a marketing thing but I'm struggling to see how a quick fix to your electro-domestics company that has an edge by bringing in cheap parts from China can be worth so much. The scale is there but I'm not seeing the profit. The less said about his questionable board members the better.
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He is off to a very good start. This twitter stuff I thought was a disaster that would not last a month has turned out to be a great thing. I love the way he lays into anyone against the club or crap associated with it. I like the fact he is plain speaking. When he says he is trying to sign a world class number 9 then I beleive him, he has been 100% forthwrite so far. He has spent the money he needs to spend and has stated very clearly his goals for the club and how he intends to get there.
I know we all laughed when he said he wanted to make us the top club in Europe in five years, but dammit I think he means every word. Good for him, nice to have a leader at the club looking up for a change.
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My only concern is that IF we don't get promotion in the next 2 seasons will the good Doctor, suddenly upsticks and say enough is enough and leave us in as bad as mess as we were under Lerner
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Perhaps he will, perhaps he won't but he is giving it a bloody good rattle and I will settle for that. After the years of corner shop Meg of Crossroads Doug Ellis and well meaning not in front of the children fan management by Lerner, Tony Xia is absolutely what we were crying out for. A swaggering, larger than life extrovert. A Gazza of an owner. A show off. Somebody confident, outgoing and outrageous.
Last season we were crushed, humiliated and laughed at by the likes of Linkeker and Lawrenson. We were a pathetic shambles. Now we have an owner who says, come on, get back on your feet we are the Villa.
I don't care if it a transitory phase and Tony goes back to his other businesses. It is what we need now. A demonstration that we are a club to be reckoned with not ridiculed and pitied. Never has the expression cometh the hour cometh the man been more appropriate.
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My only concern is that IF we don't get promotion in the next 2 seasons will the good Doctor, suddenly upsticks and say enough is enough and leave us in as bad as mess as we were under Lerner
we are fine if we go up within two seasons, after that the parachute money is something like 14 million for the third season
bearing in mind that in the last accounts our turnover was 115 million and 65 of that was from sky and whilst in the championship our commercial revenue will also drop
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Without disagreeing with you Oswald, the corollary of all that is that the resale value of a club pressing hard for promotion to the Premiership is considerably higher than one dropping like a stone out of it. Randy Lerner was such a poor businessman he allowed himself to drift into a position of inevitably taking a heavy loss on the sale of the club. Tony's costs may rise but his asset value is rising.
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I think the recent Chinese West Midlands investments are all about infrastructure, taking a lead from Man City. It is likely they will be buying land, property and business on the back of the foothold of the high profile (????) a football club provides.
Starting with the Mayor and local council is the next obvious step.
It is interesting that Porno Dwarf and Mr. Tumnus showed everyone the alternative approach and got their (foul) way by other means that belong in the last century.
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I'm still not convinced to his real wealth but what I do like is his astuteness with our money. The fact he's taking a year out to oversee all things at VP comforts me but I do hope he is what we all need; somebody that takes us by the short and curlies, fixes the obvious and has a real financial plan for a club of our stature.
Has he said this in his tweets/elsewhere or is the year out speculation?
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My only concern is that IF we don't get promotion in the next 2 seasons will the good Doctor, suddenly upsticks and say enough is enough and leave us in as bad as mess as we were under Lerner
Another off the radar risk is if Liverpool get taken over by a Chinese consortium/government (as rumoured) as this could steel some of the Doctor's thunder. If we can get ourselves established as *the* Chinese club in the PL then it could be a huge boost to the club - income/profile etc - whereas if Liverpool become that club then this opportunity will be lost.
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Does anyone else get the impression that he is no ditherer, I think he would be in the deadly mould if the manager doesn't produce.
I posted something very similar to that a short while back. I just hopes he finds the right balance between letting somebody like Lambert have too long at the club and being too trigger happy.
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I'm still not convinced to his real wealth but what I do like is his astuteness with our money. The fact he's taking a year out to oversee all things at VP comforts me but I do hope he is what we all need; somebody that takes us by the short and curlies, fixes the obvious and has a real financial plan for a club of our stature.
Maybe it's all a marketing thing but I'm struggling to see how a quick fix to your electro-domestics company that has an edge by bringing in cheap parts from China can be worth so much. The scale is there but I'm not seeing the profit. The less said about his questionable board members the better.
I feel much the same, I don't suppose it matters if what happens at Villa is good,
he is spending money and shaking up the place which is great to see, like I said earlier I started off as a big sceptic but he's not put a foot wrong so far, and I'm growing to like the fella a lot
I just hope it's money we/he can afford as we have been led to believe and we don't find out in the months to come that it's all mortgaged back on the club
That's my only real concern if I'm honest
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I'm still not convinced to his real wealth but what I do like is his astuteness with our money. The fact he's taking a year out to oversee all things at VP comforts me but I do hope he is what we all need; somebody that takes us by the short and curlies, fixes the obvious and has a real financial plan for a club of our stature.
Maybe it's all a marketing thing but I'm struggling to see how a quick fix to your electro-domestics company that has an edge by bringing in cheap parts from China can be worth so much. The scale is there but I'm not seeing the profit. The less said about his questionable board members the better.
I'm still far from convinced he's what he says he is. I realise I'm swimming against the tide on here, but that's my feeling.
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I'm still not convinced to his real wealth but what I do like is his astuteness with our money. The fact he's taking a year out to oversee all things at VP comforts me but I do hope he is what we all need; somebody that takes us by the short and curlies, fixes the obvious and has a real financial plan for a club of our stature.
Maybe it's all a marketing thing but I'm struggling to see how a quick fix to your electro-domestics company that has an edge by bringing in cheap parts from China can be worth so much. The scale is there but I'm not seeing the profit. The less said about his questionable board members the better.
I'm still far from convinced he's what he says he is. I realise I'm swimming against the tide on here, but that's my feeling.
You're not alone Chico.
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I'm still not convinced to his real wealth but what I do like is his astuteness with our money. The fact he's taking a year out to oversee all things at VP comforts me but I do hope he is what we all need; somebody that takes us by the short and curlies, fixes the obvious and has a real financial plan for a club of our stature.
Maybe it's all a marketing thing but I'm struggling to see how a quick fix to your electro-domestics company that has an edge by bringing in cheap parts from China can be worth so much. The scale is there but I'm not seeing the profit. The less said about his questionable board members the better.
I'm still far from convinced he's what he says he is. I realise I'm swimming against the tide on here, but that's my feeling.
You're not alone Chico.
Neither of you feel any more optimistic than you did at the end of last season then?
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Neither of you feel any more optimistic than you did at the end of last season then?
I'm satisfied that we have a good squad for the lower league we're in. I was optimistic when Lerner took over from Ellis and look how that ended but at least we knew what they were both worth. Based on not much, I just don't trust Xia.
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Perhaps he will, perhaps he won't but he is giving it a bloody good rattle and I will settle for that. After the years of corner shop Meg of Crossroads Doug Ellis and well meaning not in front of the children fan management by Lerner, Tony Xia is absolutely what we were crying out for. A swaggering, larger than life extrovert. A Gazza of an owner. A show off. Somebody confident, outgoing and outrageous.
Last season we were crushed, humiliated and laughed at by the likes of Linkeker and Lawrenson. We were a pathetic shambles. Now we have an owner who says, come on, get back on your feet we are the Villa.
I don't care if it a transitory phase and Tony goes back to his other businesses. It is what we need now. A demonstration that we are a club to be reckoned with not ridiculed and pitied. Never has the expression cometh the hour cometh the man been more appropriate.
Great post, Brian. I am of the same mindset. I love his attitude towards morbidly boring twats like Holloway.
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Neither of you feel any more optimistic than you did at the end of last season then?
I'm satisfied that we have a good squad for the lower league we're in. I was optimistic when Lerner took over from Ellis and look how that ended but at least we knew what they were both worth. Based on not much, I just don't trust Xia.
Fair enough, but thus far I think he's basically backed up everything he said he would do. We appear to addressing issues we've had for years with our recruitment. I really like him.
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Neither of you feel any more optimistic than you did at the end of last season then?
I'm satisfied that we have a good squad for the lower league we're in. I was optimistic when Lerner took over from Ellis and look how that ended but at least we knew what they were both worth. Based on not much, I just don't trust Xia.
What is there not to trust so far? He's given us more to trust than not trust I would say.
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Neither of you feel any more optimistic than you did at the end of last season then?
I'm satisfied that we have a good squad for the lower league we're in. I was optimistic when Lerner took over from Ellis and look how that ended but at least we knew what they were both worth. Based on not much, I just don't trust Xia.
What is there not to trust so far? He's given us more to trust than not trust I would say.
Like I say, based on nothing more than my gut feeling. Although wasn't everyone saying exactly the same about Lerner at the same point during his ownership? he was chucking premier league money around. And we knew where the money was from.
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Tony will do for me. We are like a bunch of people who were dumped by our last partner and are struggling to trust and love again. We need to get over our ex owner and move on.
I should be an Agony Aunt me.
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Neither of you feel any more optimistic than you did at the end of last season then?
I'm satisfied that we have a good squad for the lower league we're in. I was optimistic when Lerner took over from Ellis and look how that ended but at least we knew what they were both worth. Based on not much, I just don't trust Xia.
What is there not to trust so far? He's given us more to trust than not trust I would say.
As Chico says, the initial months of Lerner's tenure gave no reason not to trust him either.
I certainly don't think that if somebody wants to approach this latest chapter with a degree of scepticism that there is any harm in that.
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Neither of you feel any more optimistic than you did at the end of last season then?
I'm satisfied that we have a good squad for the lower league we're in. I was optimistic when Lerner took over from Ellis and look how that ended but at least we knew what they were both worth. Based on not much, I just don't trust Xia.
What is there not to trust so far? He's given us more to trust than not trust I would say.
As Chico says, the initial months of Lerner's tenure gave no reason not to trust him either.
I certainly don't think that if somebody wants to approach this latest chapter with a degree of scepticism that there is any harm in that.
Actually IIRC we were tipped off by fans of other playthings that Lerner had, we did not believe them as it was new owner bounce and anyone other than Ellis was welcomed. But we were warned that he was a spoilt rich kid who had no business acumen at all
A very nice guy but ultimately it was proven to be a correct summary of him
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I'm going to go on what I had seen and what he has actually done. And the evidence of his authenticity is right in front of us. He has bought the club, he has invested exactly as he said he would, he has been way more transparent than anyone us thought he would be. He brought in a board that appear to understand the game and the nuisances of running a business, he brought in a a manager and staff that are respected and have actually achieved something over their careers.
The easiest thing in the world is to be cynical and I'm denying a Villa fans right to be given what we've been through. But Randy Lerner on paper at the very end was wealthier than Xia yet he barely spent anything and the club crumbled around him. So I don't care what is reported as Xia's fortune. Whether it is sitting in a bank somewhere or hidden under his mattress, he's pulled it out and spent a good chunk of it on us. As we all know, there is a million miles in front of us and there will be lots of tests of his ownership to come but I'm going to on the facts in front of me versus something someone might have assumed about him from very limited information.
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I'm still not convinced to his real wealth but what I do like is his astuteness with our money. The fact he's taking a year out to oversee all things at VP comforts me but I do hope he is what we all need; somebody that takes us by the short and curlies, fixes the obvious and has a real financial plan for a club of our stature.
Has he said this in his tweets/elsewhere or is the year out speculation?
He said it almost immediately having taken us over. Planned to buy a place over here and spend 12 months working from Birmingham. I assume that's still his plan.
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Neither of you feel any more optimistic than you did at the end of last season then?
I'm satisfied that we have a good squad for the lower league we're in. I was optimistic when Lerner took over from Ellis and look how that ended but at least we knew what they were both worth. Based on not much, I just don't trust Xia.
What is there not to trust so far? He's given us more to trust than not trust I would say.
As Chico says, the initial months of Lerner's tenure gave no reason not to trust him either.
I certainly don't think that if somebody wants to approach this latest chapter with a degree of scepticism that there is any harm in that.
I would say it's par for the course for Villa fans. Oh well, yeah he's probably writing rubber cheques and got more debt than Donald Trump.
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I'm still not convinced to his real wealth but what I do like is his astuteness with our money. The fact he's taking a year out to oversee all things at VP comforts me but I do hope he is what we all need; somebody that takes us by the short and curlies, fixes the obvious and has a real financial plan for a club of our stature.
Maybe it's all a marketing thing but I'm struggling to see how a quick fix to your electro-domestics company that has an edge by bringing in cheap parts from China can be worth so much. The scale is there but I'm not seeing the profit. The less said about his questionable board members the better.
I'm still far from convinced he's what he says he is. I realise I'm swimming against the tide on here, but that's my feeling.
You're not alone Chico.
Neither of you feel any more optimistic than you did at the end of last season then?
I'm just thinking back to all the flag waving and the way Lerner was greeted as the new saviour (imagine the mocking if he'd been the man to buy Newcastle), the General all over the various forums etc. All seems a bit familiar, I hope he's the real deal but like Chico it's more of a gut feeling. His Twitter account reminds me of David Gold and that isn't a good thing.
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I'm beyond worrying.
So far, this ride feels like fun and I want to stay on it.
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yep, I'm on until the wheels fall off and burn
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I'm not worrying, just remaining in full on wary/cynical mode.
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I'm beyond worrying.
So far, this ride feels like fun and I want to stay on it.
That's exactly it. Nobody knows anything about him, despite what people might post on here, so it's a case of making up your own mind about him based on what we've seen and heard of him in just 3 months. I've no truck with anyone who puts their trust in him, but nobody can say it's anything other than blind faith at the moment. He's spent a few quid, which is nice but it's probably nothing compared to the Sky money we've trousered since he took over, and he's said all the right things, which is exactly what the last owner did. In fact, chuck in the free travel, the mosaic, the Holte pub and a few cheap scarves and you could argue that Lerner's impact was even more impressive. And enough people on here fell hook, line and sinker for it
I'd love nothing more than to have this post rammed down my throat in 5 years time when we're the biggest club in the world.
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You're right. Let's face it, how many clubs' fans actually like their owner and trust them to deliver?
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I'm still not convinced to his real wealth but what I do like is his astuteness with our money. The fact he's taking a year out to oversee all things at VP comforts me but I do hope he is what we all need; somebody that takes us by the short and curlies, fixes the obvious and has a real financial plan for a club of our stature.
Maybe it's all a marketing thing but I'm struggling to see how a quick fix to your electro-domestics company that has an edge by bringing in cheap parts from China can be worth so much. The scale is there but I'm not seeing the profit. The less said about his questionable board members the better.
I'm still far from convinced he's what he says he is. I realise I'm swimming against the tide on here, but that's my feeling.
You're not alone Chico.
Neither of you feel any more optimistic than you did at the end of last season then?
I'm just thinking back to all the flag waving and the way Lerner was greeted as the new saviour (imagine the mocking if he'd been the man to buy Newcastle), the General all over the various forums etc. All seems a bit familiar, I hope he's the real deal but like Chico it's more of a gut feeling. His Twitter account reminds me of David Gold and that isn't a good thing.
The thing is I don't see that as being a bad thing. In those first 3 years where he had a control freak manager overseeing everything for him and he was positive about the club everything was going well. It was his inability to move on from there which caused the train wreck. If Xia gets the first bit right in a similar way but then has the business savvy to take a step forward from there then it's all good for me.
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I like to think of our Dr Tone as the bloke with the shopping bag, and the other bloke as the piss-taking football media. NSFW.
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Xia can't afford to lose anywhere near as much as Lerner did.
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Nor will he. IMHO..
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Xia can't afford to lose anywhere near as much as Lerner did.
I assume by that you mean Lerner's net worth is great than Xia's? If so, then that is not necessarily true. Xia might be prepared to spend more and therefore potentially lose more than Lerner was.
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Xia can't afford to lose anywhere near as much as Lerner did.
What is Xia worth then Dave, and from where did you find out?
If he's got less than Randy had after his BoA shares lost 75% of their value in the 2008 crash we could be in trouble.
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I bet he doesn't even know Nicola Keye's direct number.
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Randy Lerner is like a man who buys a sound house and for one reason or another let's it fall into ruin. He has to sell it for what he can get for it. Tony Xia is like a man who buys a ruinous house at a cheap price and commences to cure the running sand under the foundations and the dry rot in the roof. The work costs effort and money but it turns the house into an asset of increasing value.
The only way Tony Xia can lose as much money as Randy Lerner is to behave in as naive and lackadaisical manner as Lerner. Effectively to continue to let it go to rack and ruin. He clearly is not doing that.
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Randy Lerner is like a man who buys a sound house and for one reason or another let's it fall into ruin. He has to sell it for what he can get for it. Tony Xia is like a man who buys a ruinous house at a cheap price and commences to cure the running sand under the foundations and the dry rot in the roof. The work costs effort and money but it turns the house into an asset of increasing value.
The only way Tony Xia can lose as much money as Randy Lerner is to behave in as naive and lackadaisical manner as Lerner. Effectively to continue to let it go to rack and ruin. He clearly is not doing that.
He paid more for the ruin than Lerner did for a going Premier League concern.
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Isn't Xia's personal worth immaterial? According to the official site we were taken over by RECON.
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I am suspicious of him as I am of everyone who buys a football club - it comes with the territory, really - however, we have to give him a chance and so far, bar some ill advised twitter stuff, he's done nothing to concern me.
The true test of a new owner is not the start of the season when they're buying players and everyone is happy, it is when things start to go badly. That's when we really find out about them.
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Randy Lerner is like a man who buys a sound house and for one reason or another let's it fall into ruin. He has to sell it for what he can get for it. Tony Xia is like a man who buys a ruinous house at a cheap price and commences to cure the running sand under the foundations and the dry rot in the roof. The work costs effort and money but it turns the house into an asset of increasing value.
The only way Tony Xia can lose as much money as Randy Lerner is to behave in as naive and lackadaisical manner as Lerner. Effectively to continue to let it go to rack and ruin. He clearly is not doing that.
He paid more for the ruin than Lerner did for a going Premier League concern.
Not if you count his ongoing subsidy to the club. That was £200m+ wasn't it?
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Randy Lerner is like a man who buys a sound house and for one reason or another let's it fall into ruin. He has to sell it for what he can get for it. Tony Xia is like a man who buys a ruinous house at a cheap price and commences to cure the running sand under the foundations and the dry rot in the roof. The work costs effort and money but it turns the house into an asset of increasing value.
The only way Tony Xia can lose as much money as Randy Lerner is to behave in as naive and lackadaisical manner as Lerner. Effectively to continue to let it go to rack and ruin. He clearly is not doing that.
He paid more for the ruin than Lerner did for a going Premier League concern.
Not if you count his ongoing subsidy to the club. That was £200m+ wasn't it?
That would be unfair as you can't count Tony's ongoing subsidy yet.
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Difficult to compare 10 years with 10 minutes.
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Most English clubs that have been fed by the TV gravy train would have seen their values rocket between Lerner and Xia buying us. He's got us at a decent price given the potential upswing.
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go Dr Tone :)
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Xia can't afford to lose anywhere near as much as Lerner did.
What is Xia worth then Dave, and from where did you find out?
If he's got less than Randy had after his BoA shares lost 75% of their value in the 2008 crash we could be in trouble.
Was this revealed at the recent fan consultation?
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That is directed at Gabby
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go Dr Tone :)
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Gabby Agblablahore.
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go Dr Tone :)
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Dan Bagg's Funeral
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Xia can't afford to lose anywhere near as much as Lerner did.
What is Xia worth then Dave, and from where did you find out?
If he's got less than Randy had after his BoA shares lost 75% of their value in the 2008 crash we could be in trouble.
Was this revealed at the recent fan consultation?
No, and I don't know how much he's got personally but I doubt it's the sort of wealth the Lerner family have at their disposal.
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Simple&fair.We won't pay4him 2play 4others.Either cutting wages 2play 4others or getting full pay by club 2watch.
The Doc on Bennett not featuring this season. And I imarine others. So either he goes to another club where we don't pay his wages or we only pay a portion or he stays at full pop. It's not Joe Bennett that bothers me, it's the likes of Lescott, Gabby etc.
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Simple&fair.We won't pay4him 2play 4others.Either cutting wages 2play 4others or getting full pay by club 2watch.
If I don't read his tweets in a Mark E Smith style I imagine them to be unreleased Prince songs.
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Just need to sign a player from Sparta FC or Bury
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The way he talks about players (those all-powerful, cosseted wankers of the modern game) as club chairman makes me think the good doctor is either unhinged, or has enough money to throw his weight around. We'll see.
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Just need to sign a player from Sparta FC or Bury
He's not from Bury...
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Just need to sign a player from Sparta FC or Bury
He's not from Bury...
I was at this gig, as were a few other H&V'ers
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Just need to sign a player from Sparta FC or Bury
This is madness!!
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Tony's latest tweet about people 'blalah' about loyalty is fucking brilliant.
I am sure it is almost profound, problem is, I don't know if I actually understand a word of it.
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Just need to sign a player from Sparta FC or Bury
This is madness!!
That's Killing Joke not The Mighty Fall Group 😁
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Tony's latest tweet about people 'blalah' about loyalty is fucking brilliant.
I am sure it is almost profound, problem is, I don't know if I actually understand a word of it.
The ineffable Confucian wisdom of it will flicker into beautiful, crystal light at your dying breath.
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The latest one about destroying Bennett career is the best yet
No nonsense honest straight to the point
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I was one of the initial critics of Tony's tweets. I have done an about turn. I found some of the early ones a bit crude. But more recently I have been enjoying the blunt honesty of what he says.
He has shown he can reduce a rubbish paper rumour to chip paper, offer praise and support to young players and players doing well and where necessary take an ego down a size or two.
I felt the early take down of Wurzel Gummage was a bit crude and beneath us but am starting to see it in a wider context.
At the end of the day he's batting for us and at the moment he's sledging sixes. Hope he doesn't get caught out.
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I think that as long as he does not promise things that he then doesn't deliver, then fine. I have no problem with him saying we want to do this, we want to do that, we would like to be at a certain point in 5 years etc., if the effort is put in to try and achieve the things. Not succeeding having put in 100% effort, is not failure in my eyes as there are only so many places at the top table, with many that want to fill them.
I think he may struggle with the concept that money doesn't buy everything in football. Take buying players as an example, where players will not play in the Championship, whatever you offer to pay them. Supporters also have to appreciate this as well.
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I think he's far more astute than the broken English of his tweets gives him credit for.Some of his put downs are brilliantly blunt.
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I think the Bennett to Wednesday thing is cleared up quite nicely now. The deal obviously involved us still paying part of his wages and Xia has told him you either take the hit and leave for your career or you sit here for the money, you can't have both. I think that's a pretty ballsy approach and I'm ok with it. What it does mean is that anyone thinking we might pay off some contracts might be disappointed, this looks like a very clear message that he won't be mugged off by players wanting everything their own way.
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It would have been taking the piss for a player to go to a potential Championship rival (based on them making the play-off finals last year) and for us to still be paying part of his salary. Good on Xia for setting his stall out early and letting players know not to take the piss.
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I think the Bennett to Wednesday thing is cleared up quite nicely now. The deal obviously involved us still paying part of his wages and Xia has told him you either take the hit and leave for your career or you sit here for the money, you can't have both. I think that's a pretty ballsy approach and I'm ok with it. What it does mean is that anyone thinking we might pay off some contracts might be disappointed, this looks like a very clear message that he won't be mugged off by players wanting everything their own way.
I think it is also tied to him going to a competitor in the same division. We were going to pay a portion of Lescott's wage because he was going to Rangers.
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Ah Mr OCD kind of said the same thing
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No problem Mr TV.
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I think the Bennett to Wednesday thing is cleared up quite nicely now. The deal obviously involved us still paying part of his wages and Xia has told him you either take the hit and leave for your career or you sit here for the money, you can't have both. I think that's a pretty ballsy approach and I'm ok with it. What it does mean is that anyone thinking we might pay off some contracts might be disappointed, this looks like a very clear message that he won't be mugged off by players wanting everything their own way.
I think it is also tied to him going to a competitor in the same division. We were going to pay a portion of Lescott's wage because he was going to Rangers.
Yes of course, I meant to add thew qualifier to it as well, and also to say that I suspect he won't be as hard-nosed over the loaned players.
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Somebody tweeted about us being in the CL draw in five years and Tony tweeted summat like 'No, won't have to wait that many years'.
I love that shit, me.
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Dan Bagg.
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so promoted this season and in the top 4 within 3 seasons ::)
id settle for 3 points at bristol to start with
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I think the Bennett to Wednesday thing is cleared up quite nicely now. The deal obviously involved us still paying part of his wages and Xia has told him you either take the hit and leave for your career or you sit here for the money, you can't have both. I think that's a pretty ballsy approach and I'm ok with it. What it does mean is that anyone thinking we might pay off some contracts might be disappointed, this looks like a very clear message that he won't be mugged off by players wanting everything their own way.
If that what's going on, then i agree with his approach.
You either find another employer, or you don't get a squad number.
Stay at home, watch the telly. Pick up your wages. Play golf. Buy cars. And property.
Wasters that relegated Villa. Please leave soon.
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Check his tweets, it's not subtle, that's definitely the case.
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He's tweeting Chairman Mao quotes now.
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He also Tweets that he has watched a Europa League game, and it seems to be the Olympic Stadium. There watching Valencia with RDM maybe?
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He's tweeting Chairman Mao quotes now.
Excellent
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He's tweeting Chairman Mao quotes now.
Excellent
So I'm guessing we're just starting the Great Leap Forward. Not looking forward to the Cultural Revolution.
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Oh no, someone unplug him quick.
Am I being a bit of a prude? Or is quoting Mao a bit off colour? The guy killed millions and millions of people.
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Oh no, someone unplug him quick.
Am I being a bit of a prude? Or is quoting Mao a bit off colour? The guy killed millions and millions of people.
I don't have a problem with it. I worry that he's implying the fans have an input into transfer policy, unless everyone starts telling him we have to buy a late 20s Argentinian called Lionel Messi to fill the attacking gap we have.
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Sadly, this will be picked up by those desperate to be offended. It's the modern way. But if you're using modern media, you have to play by modern rules.
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If he's welcoming input from supporters where transfers are concerned he really shouldn't be allowed anywhere near our club. Has footyskillz sent him a list?
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If he's welcoming input from supporters where transfers are concerned he really shouldn't be allowed anywhere near our club. Has footyskillz sent him a list?
Hopefully the Doctor has crossed Jozy Altidore and Jason Scotland off the list.
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If he's welcoming input from supporters where transfers are concerned he really shouldn't be allowed anywhere near our club. Has footyskillz sent him a list?
Hopefully the Doctor has crossed Jozy Altidore and Jason Scotland off the list.
Is Jay Spearing still playing?
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Oh no, someone unplug him quick.
Am I being a bit of a prude? Or is quoting Mao a bit off colour? The guy killed millions and millions of people.
I don't have a problem with it. I worry that he's implying the fans have an input into transfer policy, unless everyone starts telling him we have to buy a late 20s Argentinian called Lionel Messi to fill the attacking gap we have.
It's not what he meant but I can see why you would think that. He did clarify in his next message as the original was a bit "out there".
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Tony's subsequent tweet about his family suffering should settle the outraged?
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If he's welcoming input from supporters where transfers are concerned he really shouldn't be allowed anywhere near our club. Has footyskillz sent him a list?
Let's hope John Blackwell is not tweeting.
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If he's welcoming input from supporters where transfers are concerned he really shouldn't be allowed anywhere near our club. Has footyskillz sent him a list?
Let's hope John Blackwell is not tweeting.
The glorious return of Oyvind Leonhardsen.
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He's just tweeted that Joe is off to Cardiff on a free and that we won't be paying any future wages to him. I don't know if that means a pay cut or Cardiff ponying up.
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He's just tweeted that Joe is off to Cardiff on a free and that we won't be paying any future wages to him. I don't know if that means a pay cut or Cardiff ponying up.
Best for both parties. Good for all.
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Joe now Taff' for free and off payroll.
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Has Tony just blocked a former 'favourite' of this forum and threatened him with legal action?
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Has Tony just blocked a former 'favourite' of this forum and threatened him with legal action?
Robonut?
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Has Tony just blocked a former 'favourite' of this forum and threatened him with legal action?
Robonut?
He still makes no sense whatsoever.
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Has Tony just blocked a former 'favourite' of this forum and threatened him with legal action?
Robonut?
He still makes no sense whatsoever.
What did he say to get Xia's back up so much? It's been deleted.
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Has Tony just blocked a former 'favourite' of this forum and threatened him with legal action?
Robonut?
He still makes no sense whatsoever.
What did he say to get Xia's back up so much? It's been deleted.
From what I can gather he kept banging on about somebody being more involved that the Dr claims. It's really difficult to understand what he's on about at the best of times. He's like a broken record.
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I think he and Our Clampers are getting in to it now
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Has Tony just blocked a former 'favourite' of this forum and threatened him with legal action?
Robonut?
He still makes no sense whatsoever.
Surely that'll make you warm to the Doctor.
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Has Tony just blocked a former 'favourite' of this forum and threatened him with legal action?
Robonut?
He still makes no sense whatsoever.
What did he say to get Xia's back up so much? It's been deleted.
https://twitter.com/ianrobo1/status/769156021558345728
For once, Robobum may actually have a point.
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Mr Robotwat blocked me and someone called DIck Turpin told me to go back to my x-box that i don't own. As Father Jack would have said, 'gobshites'.
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Has Tony just blocked a former 'favourite' of this forum and threatened him with legal action?
Robonut?
He still makes no sense whatsoever.
What did he say to get Xia's back up so much? It's been deleted.
https://twitter.com/ianrobo1/status/769156021558345728
For once, Robobum may actually have a point.
Registrating in order to finalize some matters? That does not make them part of his Recon team.
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Samuelson was Deputy Chairman. He was in India for the deal there. He even spoke to the press.
“Our endeavor is to provide the best facilities for junior footballers so that they can compete with the best at the International level. We recognise the value of grassroots programmes as a vehicle for educational, social and sporting development,” said Chris Samuelson, Deputy Chairman, Aston Villa Football Club.
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surprised Mark Hughes follows Dr Tone's tweets...
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The Doc
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ST and AM?
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ST and AM?
Striker and attacking midfielder??
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Ah
. Thought it was a clue!!!
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Glad it not the return of Alex McLeish.
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Mr Robotwat blocked me and someone called DIck Turpin told me to go back to my x-box that i don't own. As Father Jack would have said, 'gobshites'.
Karma..
@Dr_TonyXia
Dr. Tony Xia Retweeted .
I just blocked him again. Wasting my time. If he has one more rumor, we will have legal dept. go for him.
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Was, isn't any more and was only there for a couple of months whilst things were setup and seems to have had very little day-to-day involvement other than Indian thing.
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I think the lad done OK so far, and that's all we can judge him on...especially not on his broken English, slightly gnomic Tweets. Comparisons have been drawn with The General's presence on websites but he never engaged in the sorts of details we're getting now.
Yes it may well go paws-up if results go badly, but so far so good I think.
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Work it out. His company sells all the monosodium glutamate world wide. Every Chinese restaurant will have a big tub of it. Suppose each tub costs $100 and there are a million Chinese restaurants in the world. Suppose a tub of monosodium glutamate lasts a month, that is an income stream of $ 100 x 1,000,000 x 12 per annum. Like I say, more than enough.
That gave me some comfort, Brian until today when I remembered they made a loss last year according to the FT.
Lotus produces 150,000 tonnes of MSG, exporting to more than 70 countries every year, according to Shanghai stock exchange filings.
Last month it announced it had made a net loss in 2015 of Rmb508.5m ($77.6m) on revenues of Rmb1.7bn, compared with a net profit of Rmb23.9m the previous year.
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Work it out. His company sells all the monosodium glutamate world wide. Every Chinese restaurant will have a big tub of it. Suppose each tub costs $100 and there are a million Chinese restaurants in the world. Suppose a tub of monosodium glutamate lasts a month, that is an income stream of $ 100 x 1,000,000 x 12 per annum. Like I say, more than enough.
That gave me some comfort, Brian until today when I remembered they made a loss last year according to the FT.
Lotus produces 150,000 tonnes of MSG, exporting to more than 70 countries every year, according to Shanghai stock exchange filings.
Last month it announced it had made a net loss in 2015 of Rmb508.5m ($77.6m) on revenues of Rmb1.7bn, compared with a net profit of Rmb23.9m the previous year.
I wouldn't get too concerned about them reporting a financial loss last year meaning they aren't swimming in a load of cash ready to throw in our direction. I don't think we can ever be too sure of the finances, but their actions so far seem to suggest they aren't afraid to spend where needed.
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Work it out. His company sells all the monosodium glutamate world wide. Every Chinese restaurant will have a big tub of it. Suppose each tub costs $100 and there are a million Chinese restaurants in the world. Suppose a tub of monosodium glutamate lasts a month, that is an income stream of $ 100 x 1,000,000 x 12 per annum. Like I say, more than enough.
That gave me some comfort, Brian until today when I remembered they made a loss last year according to the FT.
Lotus produces 150,000 tonnes of MSG, exporting to more than 70 countries every year, according to Shanghai stock exchange filings.
Last month it announced it had made a net loss in 2015 of Rmb508.5m ($77.6m) on revenues of Rmb1.7bn, compared with a net profit of Rmb23.9m the previous year.
I wouldn't get too concerned about them reporting a financial loss last year meaning they aren't swimming in a load of cash ready to throw in our direction. I don't think we can ever be too sure of the finances, but their actions so far seem to suggest they aren't afraid to spend where needed.
True but even the turnover wasn't as big as I'd hoped and expected. As for the spent his summer, it's not as if we've spent much given our £60m+ pay off from the PL for last season. What we have done until now, is spend well and that I applaud.
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All I know for sure is he had the money to buy the club. He has also provided the money to buy a bunch of players for very decent fees without selling many players. Unless he has paid those clubs in Monopoly money then he's sufficiently wealthy for where we are now.
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I don't get why people are going out of their way to dig dirt on the bloke. People who have too much time on their hands and people who think they know best is my guess, or maybe both.
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I don't get why people are going out of their way to dig dirt on the bloke. People who have too much time on their hands and people who think they know best is my guess, or maybe both.
No time and I know nothing, but how do we know its his money hes spending?
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I don't get why people are going out of their way to dig dirt on the bloke. People who have too much time on their hands and people who think they know best is my guess, or maybe both.
No time and I know nothing, but how do we know its his money hes spending?
It's not it's the Recon Group's.
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I don't get why people are going out of their way to dig dirt on the bloke. People who have too much time on their hands and people who think they know best is my guess, or maybe both.
No time and I know nothing, but how do we know its his money hes spending?
It's not it's the Recon Group's.
that's sort of what I meant.
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I like Andy Burnham, why the fucking fuck is he filling that massive cocktrumpet @ianrobo1. Just spent ten minutes reading through some of his tweets, of the few I can understand they are comedy gold.
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I like Andy Burnham, why the fucking fuck is he filling that massive cocktrumpet @ianrobo1. Just spent ten minutes reading through some of his tweets, of the few I can understand they are comedy gold.
The Daily Mail will be outraged.
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I don't get why people are going out of their way to dig dirt on the bloke. People who have too much time on their hands and people who think they know best is my guess, or maybe both.
No time and I know nothing, but how do we know its his money hes spending?
I don't get why people are going out of their way to dig dirt on the bloke. People who have too much time on their hands and people who think they know best is my guess, or maybe both.
No time and I know nothing, but how do we know its his money hes spending?
It's not it's the Recon Group's.
that's sort of what I meant.
Or are you digging for the sake of it?
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I don't get why people are going out of their way to dig dirt on the bloke. People who have too much time on their hands and people who think they know best is my guess, or maybe both.
No time and I know nothing, but how do we know its his money hes spending?
I don't get why people are going out of their way to dig dirt on the bloke. People who have too much time on their hands and people who think they know best is my guess, or maybe both.
No time and I know nothing, but how do we know its his money hes spending?
It's not it's the Recon Group's.
that's sort of what I meant.
Or are you digging for the sake of it?
Your suggestion may be true for some, but is it really that difficult to understand why some people may remain sceptical? For, what, 3 years of randy's tenure he was thought of in even more glowing terms than Xia, it's perfect reasonable for many to remain healthily sceptical of a new owner, especially one with links to known shysters who caused tremendous grief to another club.
Personally, I've gone from sceptical to cautiously optimistic, but I can totally understand why others might still be concerned.
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I like Andy Burnham, why the fucking fuck is he filling that massive cocktrumpet @ianrobo1. Just spent ten minutes reading through some of his tweets, of the few I can understand they are comedy gold.
The Daily Mail will be outraged.
Stupid phone!
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I don't get why people are going out of their way to dig dirt on the bloke. People who have too much time on their hands and people who think they know best is my guess, or maybe both.
No time and I know nothing, but how do we know its his money hes spending?
I don't get why people are going out of their way to dig dirt on the bloke. People who have too much time on their hands and people who think they know best is my guess, or maybe both.
No time and I know nothing, but how do we know its his money hes spending?
It's not it's the Recon Group's.
that's sort of what I meant.
Or are you digging for the sake of it?
Your suggestion may be true for some, but is it really that difficult to understand why some people may remain sceptical? For, what, 3 years of randy's tenure he was thought of in even more glowing terms than Xia, it's perfect reasonable for many to remain healthily sceptical of a new owner, especially one with links to known shysters who caused tremendous grief to another club.
Personally, I've gone from sceptical to cautiously optimistic, but I can totally understand why others might still be concerned.
To the point of changing their name on twitter like robotwat has and constantly harrrassing him? Does our new chairman not get the chance to fail or is August into his first season fair enough?
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I wasn't really referring to anyone or any incident in particular, it was more a general point. As others have said, it's way too early to making a judgement, good or bad.
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Fans need to put aside the PL money as that is needed to subsidise income to pay wages for the season. Spending on players should be coming from his pocket.
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Slightly obsessive though he is, he is making a valid point about Samuelson.
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Fans need to put aside the PL money as that is needed to subsidise income to pay wages for the season. Spending on players should be coming from his pocket.
Why should any of it come from his pocket?
There's a difference between his money and the clubs money.
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im still 50/50 about xia, some things i like some i dont and unfortunately for us only time will tell
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Fans need to put aside the PL money as that is needed to subsidise income to pay wages for the season. Spending on players should be coming from his pocket.
Why should any of it come from his pocket?
There's a difference between his money and the clubs money.
If expenditure exceeds income, the difference has to come from some, either investment or debt. I was trying to point out that saying what we got from the PL is what we are spending on players would mean that investment would be needed to pay wages, in a roundabout sort of way.
Like everyone (I would like to believe), I hope that debt is not going to be used. I do believe that there is enough money in football now to be reasonably successful without spending fortunes, providing the club is well run. Champions League football is a different matter.
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Seems he's not very happy with Joe Bennets tweet.
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Seems he's not very happy with Joe Bennets tweet.
I don't blame him
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Bennett is right, though. Tony should not be speaking about that stuff publicly.
It's exactly the sort of thing we'd be crucifying Brady or Gold for if they'd done it.
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Club owner has row with departing player and threatens well-known fan with law suit. The proper media could have a field day with that.
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Who is the well known fan?
I think the fans needed something like him to happen to get us and the club back together after Lerner, but I think he needs to be moderated and have a filter with it. It's great to know the transfer stuff but player contacts and the like are not ideal. I think he was right to block the JB move to Wednesday and is right to be ambitious but just needs a bit of reigning in.
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Bennett is right, though. Tony should not be speaking about that stuff publicly.
It's exactly the sort of thing we'd be crucifying Brady or Gold for if they'd done it.
We moaned about Lerner not saying anything and it came out in the press we pulled the plug on Bennett transfer to Wednesday and he told us how it was. I really don't see the problem.
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Bennett is right, though. Tony should not be speaking about that stuff publicly.
It's exactly the sort of thing we'd be crucifying Brady or Gold for if they'd done it.
We moaned about Lerner not saying anything and it came out in the press we pulled the plug on Bennett transfer to Wednesday and he told us how it was. I really don't see the problem.
Because there are a thousand intermediate points between Lerner being mute and a chairman saying too much on twitter.
Tony should not be talking about why we pulled the plug on transfers on twitter - that is way, way too much information to be sharing publicly. It is *exactly* the sort of online shit we would crucify other owners for.
Yes, saying more than Lerner is good. That does not mean that anything more than Lerner said is fine - it is possible to go too far the other way.
He's said we're after a "world class" striker and an attacking midfielder.
You wait and see what happens next week if we don't sign one or either of them. The morons will pile on and it will go to shit. I can't believe anyone can't predict that sort of end to it all. It is already happening - look at the ruck over Samuelson. I personally think it's a totally reasonable question to ask him but it is now going to descend into a gigantic twitter ruck and will no doubt get the media involved.
He should show some professionalism and realise that this is exactly why clubs have social media professionals. I'm amazed a businessman with such a track record of success can't spot this. Maybe it's a Chinese cultural thing (and no, that's not me being racist, it's me referring to the somewhat different political and cultural approach to social media in China).
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The mistake there was the world class bit. I like his open nature but he needs to dial it down a little bit. At the same time there is positivity about the place and a bit of confidence and I think he helps that.
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He might be saying 'world class' to let his real target know what we think of him? As long as he doesn't breach confidentiality, I think he's ok. I like the openness after a real barren spell. We asked for a connect with the club to be restored, perhaps some of this might be a little too much, but we can't have it both ways. I think it will slow right down after the window closes.
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I like the approach, though it is full of peril. He may sometimes fly a little too close to the sun but he hasn't yet said anything that I would crucify another club's owner for saying on Twitter. In fact, I don't really care how other club's chairman conduct themselves on Twitter or what other club's fans might say or think. I don't see this being a long-term strategy either, I just think it's a way of healing the divide between the club and the fans while helping to get over any initial distrust that might have been there. He'll back off at some point. He may not stop altogether but it will probably be less regular, more about results on the pitch and any major announcements that he wants to get over.
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Bennett is right, though. Tony should not be speaking about that stuff publicly.
It's exactly the sort of thing we'd be crucifying Brady or Gold for if they'd done it.
We moaned about Lerner not saying anything and it came out in the press we pulled the plug on Bennett transfer to Wednesday and he told us how it was. I really don't see the problem.
Because there are a thousand intermediate points between Lerner being mute and a chairman saying too much on twitter.
Tony should not be talking about why we pulled the plug on transfers on twitter - that is way, way too much information to be sharing publicly. It is *exactly* the sort of online shit we would crucify other owners for.
Yes, saying more than Lerner is good. That does not mean that anything more than Lerner said is fine - it is possible to go too far the other way.
He's said we're after a "world class" striker and an attacking midfielder.
You wait and see what happens next week if we don't sign one or either of them. The morons will pile on and it will go to shit. I can't believe anyone can't predict that sort of end to it all. It is already happening - look at the ruck over Samuelson. I personally think it's a totally reasonable question to ask him but it is now going to descend into a gigantic twitter ruck and will no doubt get the media involved.
He should show some professionalism and realise that this is exactly why clubs have social media professionals. I'm amazed a businessman with such a track record of success can't spot this. Maybe it's a Chinese cultural thing (and no, that's not me being racist, it's me referring to the somewhat different political and cultural approach to social media in China).
I agree with all that, and it's very likely to happen. But if and when it does, does it really matter? If it's all helped to galvanise us and put us in the front foot it'll have been worth it.
Normally what happens on Twitter stays on Twitter (and maybe the gutter press too). Who cares?
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Bennett is right, though. Tony should not be speaking about that stuff publicly.
It's exactly the sort of thing we'd be crucifying Brady or Gold for if they'd done it.
We moaned about Lerner not saying anything and it came out in the press we pulled the plug on Bennett transfer to Wednesday and he told us how it was. I really don't see the problem.
Because there are a thousand intermediate points between Lerner being mute and a chairman saying too much on twitter.
Tony should not be talking about why we pulled the plug on transfers on twitter - that is way, way too much information to be sharing publicly. It is *exactly* the sort of online shit we would crucify other owners for.
Yes, saying more than Lerner is good. That does not mean that anything more than Lerner said is fine - it is possible to go too far the other way.
He's said we're after a "world class" striker and an attacking midfielder.
You wait and see what happens next week if we don't sign one or either of them. The morons will pile on and it will go to shit. I can't believe anyone can't predict that sort of end to it all. It is already happening - look at the ruck over Samuelson. I personally think it's a totally reasonable question to ask him but it is now going to descend into a gigantic twitter ruck and will no doubt get the media involved.
He should show some professionalism and realise that this is exactly why clubs have social media professionals. I'm amazed a businessman with such a track record of success can't spot this. Maybe it's a Chinese cultural thing (and no, that's not me being racist, it's me referring to the somewhat different political and cultural approach to social media in China).
So how would you suggest he shows professionalism? Keep stum like Lerner? We all know we are not going to get a world class striker, but the bloke has livened up the club IMO and it was certainly needed.
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I posted at the start of Dr Tony's tweeting that he was not going to stop any time soon, so we might as well go with the flow. There is no doubt a debate to be had about the reasons fr this tweeting compulsion, but that is not the pressing concern.
I was somewhat concerned about the breakdown of Bennett's transfer to Wednesday; can you imagine what we would be saying if an incoming player was undergoing a medical and their chairman suddenly decided against the move? As far as I recall, the medical is a formality at the very end of the process, unless he is a crock.
Now, we have Okore being shipped out contradicting what the manager said the day before to the local media.
The suspicion, probably paranoid at this stage, is that that Doctor X is dictating to RDM.
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Or it could just be that we were talking with the club but they were dicking about and rdm said we were happy to keep them as part of the negotiation.
The Bennett thing, I suspect, is that we were close to an agreement with wednesday and agreed to the medical whilst we were still talking but then we had an offer (from Cardiff) where we didn't have to sub his wages so we told them to match it or walk away. The delay is probably that Bennett wanted to go to Wednesday not Cardiff so there was work to do getting him to sign.
I tend to believe the simplest solution in cases like this and he above is the obvious choice for that.
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He's now said that he's off to China once the window closes to focus on other Recon companies.
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It is brilliant- wait - others will follow
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He's now said that he's off to China once the window closes to focus on other Recon companies.
He says he will ALSO focus on... jeez can we stop looking for syntax to make us miserable?
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Or it could just be that we were talking with the club but they were dicking about and rdm said we were happy to keep them as part of the negotiation.
The Bennett thing, I suspect, is that we were close to an agreement with wednesday and agreed to the medical whilst we were still talking but then we had an offer (from Cardiff) where we didn't have to sub his wages so we told them to match it or walk away. The delay is probably that Bennett wanted to go to Wednesday not Cardiff so there was work to do getting him to sign.
I tend to believe the simplest solution in cases like this and he above is the obvious choice for that.
From his comments, Cardiff would pay his wages and Wednesday wouldnt
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Or it could just be that we were talking with the club but they were dicking about and rdm said we were happy to keep them as part of the negotiation.
The Bennett thing, I suspect, is that we were close to an agreement with wednesday and agreed to the medical whilst we were still talking but then we had an offer (from Cardiff) where we didn't have to sub his wages so we told them to match it or walk away. The delay is probably that Bennett wanted to go to Wednesday not Cardiff so there was work to do getting him to sign.
I tend to believe the simplest solution in cases like this and he above is the obvious choice for that.
I did say, "probably paranoid".
Nonetheless, could you supply an example of a player undergoing a medical at BH, at which stage our Chairman/CEO announced, "Deal off, chaps" followed by a pop in in the social media of the day?
In fact, in the history of transfer activities in the top leagues, how many have broken down at the medical examination where the reason is not erm ... medical?
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He's now said that he's off to China once the window closes to focus on other Recon companies.
He says he will ALSO focus on... jeez can we stop looking for syntax to make us miserable?
Here you go so there's no confusion, wouldn't want you sleeping under the bed tonight:
Dr. Tony Xia @Dr_TonyXia 2h2 hours ago
After the game &transfer deals done,I'll have to go back China and to US/Asia to run other Recon business.
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He's now said that he's off to China once the window closes to focus on other Recon companies.
He says he will ALSO focus on... jeez can we stop looking for syntax to make us miserable?
Here you go so there's no confusion, wouldn't want you sleeping under the bed tonight:
Dr. Tony Xia @Dr_TonyXia 2h2 hours ago
After the game &transfer deals done,I'll have to go back China and to US/Asia to run other Recon business.
Once when I was yonger, I did work on two things. But that is ridiculous
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He's now said that he's off to China once the window closes to focus on other Recon companies.
He says he will ALSO focus on... jeez can we stop looking for syntax to make us miserable?
Here you go so there's no confusion, wouldn't want you sleeping under the bed tonight:
Dr. Tony Xia @Dr_TonyXia 2h2 hours ago
After the game &transfer deals done,I'll have to go back China and to US/Asia to run other Recon business.
Once when I was yonger, I did work on two things. But that is ridiculous
As I'm always telling the wife, multi-tasking is so overrated.
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Xia is out of control and one of his underlings needs to have a quiet word. Are we a professional outfit or his personal plaything? Leave the tweeting to morons and trolls. That's what it is designed for.
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Bennett is right, though. Tony should not be speaking about that stuff publicly.
It's exactly the sort of thing we'd be crucifying Brady or Gold for if they'd done it.
I do agree with this though. The transfer news that he comes out with is fine but some things should be kept in-house.
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You must be careful what you wish for. Would you sooner have an owner who treats the club as his personal plaything and pours money into getting better players, binning off blackguards, comes to games and cuts off the likes of Holloway at the knees or one who hides, communicates in riddles when he communicates at all and who does not sanction the buying of a single player when we are falling out of the Premiership like a stone? For me it is a no brainer.
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Let's enjoy it while we can, it makes a change to have an owner bogging us up.
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i dont have an issue with him tweeting but for the chairman of companies worth billions some of them are naive at best
that we are signing a world class number 9, will be the biggest club in europe in 5 years and will be playing in the cl in under 5 seasons might sound positive to some to me it strikes me as small time
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You must be careful what you wish for. Would you sooner have an owner who treats the club as his personal plaything and pours money into getting better players, binning off blackguards, comes to games and cuts off the likes of Holloway at the knees or one who hides, communicates in riddles when he communicates at all and who does not sanction the buying of a single player when we are falling out of the Premiership like a stone? For me it is a no brainer.
Absolutely
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To be honest I'm ambivalent about his tweeting but given the nose diver we were in and the deep, deep negativity about the place after the pas few seasons I do feel like an extreme/unhinged absurdly ambitious guy like Xia is more what we needed than a quiet and dignified quietly rebuilding the club sort.
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When we are on the Holte and singing that we are the greatest team the world has ever seen it never passes through our minds that it might not actually be true. It is all part of the self induced fantasy world of football all proper fans inhabit. Tony is indulging in that weakness but to me it makes him one of us, not a liar or a conman. If Randy Lerner had ever been moved to sing at Villa Park he would probably have sung "...and it's Aston Villa, Aston Villa FC, we are probably in the top one hundred best teams the world has ever seen".
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When we are on the Holte and singing that we are the greatest team the world has ever seen it never passes through our minds that it might not actually be true. It is all part of the self induced fantasy world of football all proper fans inhabit. Tony is indulging in that weakness but to me it makes him one of us, not a liar or a conman. If Randy Lerner had ever been moved to sing at Villa Park he would probably have sung "...and it's Aston Villa, Aston Villa FC, we are probably in the top one hundred best teams the world has ever seen".
FACT !! :)
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When we are on the Holte and singing that we are the greatest team the world has ever seen it never passes through our minds that it might not actually be true. It is all part of the self induced fantasy world of football all proper fans inhabit. Tony is indulging in that weakness but to me it makes him one of us, not a liar or a conman. If Randy Lerner had ever been moved to sing at Villa Park he would probably have sung "...and it's Aston Villa, Aston Villa FC, we are probably in the top one hundred best teams the world has ever seen".
Yes, Randy never 'got it'. The Dr has got it straight away.
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I posted at the start of Dr Tony's tweeting that he was not going to stop any time soon, so we might as well go with the flow. There is no doubt a debate to be had about the reasons fr this tweeting compulsion, but that is not the pressing concern.
I was somewhat concerned about the breakdown of Bennett's transfer to Wednesday; can yoou imagine what we would be saying if an incoming player was undergoing a medical and their chairman suddenly decided against the move? As far as I recall, the medical is a formality at the very end of the process, unless he is a crock.
Now, we have Okore being shipped out contradicting what the manager said the day before to the local media.
The suspicion, probably paranoid at this stage, is that that Doctor X is dictating to RDM.
Didn't something similar happen to us when we tried to sign James Milner the first time around? IIRC, wasn't he at BH and Newcastle pulled the plug or the window closed. Summat like that.
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Social media is reality these days, whether we like it or not. I'm surprised Tony's tweets haven't led to a bigger onslaught by fans of other clubs. The only conclusion I can draw from that is that other clubs' fans may be a bit surprised and jealous of his openness on Twitter.
That said, I do hope he withdraws from it a bit once the transfer window closes. It will likely get a bit tedious and embarassing in equal measure if he keeps it up once there's nothing really except results for him to twatter about.
Just get rid of a few more and bring a couple more players in Tone, then keep a lower profile would be my advice to him.
Suspect we'll be getting the dead of night tweets from him for a while though, til the online backlash starts.
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I have to admit to finding the good Dr's tweets a refreshingly candid and unsanitised change from the dull ramblings of his predecessor. However, I think it has only gone unchallenged because we're a big fish in a small pond being in the Championship. If he were to continue once back in the Prem he would soon find himself in a media shit storm. Hopefully he'll tone things down a little when it matters.
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Fans need to put aside the PL money as that is needed to subsidise income to pay wages for the season. Spending on players should be coming from his pocket.
Why should any of it come from his pocket?
There's a difference between his money and the clubs money.
If expenditure exceeds income, the difference has to come from some, either investment or debt. I was trying to point out that saying what we got from the PL is what we are spending on players would mean that investment would be needed to pay wages, in a roundabout sort of way.
Like everyone (I would like to believe), I hope that debt is not going to be used. I do believe that there is enough money in football now to be reasonably successful without spending fortunes, providing the club is well run. Champions League football is a different matter.
'He' won't be just giving us money. Prepare to see a loan from the Recon Group saddled on our balance sheet come the end of the next financial year.
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Maybe it's a Chinese cultural thing (and no, that's not me being racist, it's me referring to the somewhat different political and cultural approach to social media in China).
I think this is an important point. Also, we might do well to bear in mind that 'truth' in the west is a slightly different concept to 'truth' in the east (I say that in a similar non-racist vein to Paulie above).
There are a whole load of cultural, historic even geographical reasons for that, but the west tends to see truth in literal, binary terms, and in the east it is more closely linked with personal relationships and influence. Maybe some of our Far Eastern Villans can shed some light on that?
There's been a lot of talk about the 'post truth' era in the west. The idea that even if something can be proved to be untrue, it doesn't matter as much as the person who says it, and the people he says it to.
Take Trump or ISIS. Both are full of shit, but that doesn't matter as long as there are people who will go along with the narrative. It's the narrative that's important (even if it's a false one), and increasingly it's based on the relationship between the teller and the audience. Truth takes a back seat.
In a way, social media is beginning to change the concept of truth in the west to something closer to the Asian model.
On the Twitter point, as I said before, as long as you avoid racism, sexism, homophobia, religion and politics, and keep your tweets relatively clean, you can say pretty much anything you like. There are so many voices now on social media, the spat someone has today is forgotten tomorrow, a bit like newspapers being tomorrow's chip paper.
When Dr X first appeared, the biggest concern among fans was a lack of transparency. Who was this bloke? Now he's letting everybody know. He's reconnecting us with the club, and building a direct relationship between himself and the fans.
Depending on the success of his actions (and the club), the relationships he builds will be more important than the veracity of his words.
Sorry about these amateur philosophical ruminations on a Saturday morning, but I'm loaded up with cheap Aldi coffee. It's good.
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I have to admit to finding the good Dr's tweets a refreshingly candid and unsanitised change from the dull ramblings of his predecessor. However, I think it has only gone unchallenged because we're a big fish in a small pond being in the Championship. If he were to continue once back in the Prem he would soon find himself in a media shit storm. Hopefully he'll tone things down a little when it matters.
I'm very much in this boat regarding the Doctor. It's massively interesting to be a Villa fan at the moment compared to the misery of last season.
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I wonder when this will filter to other clubs, (it may be happening already). This direct communication is social media at its best, challenging press speculation, releasing information to fans before anyone else hears and responding directly to questions. Will it last though? I hope so, but I can see him becoming overwhelmed with the mundane responses from fans.
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Or it could just be that we were talking with the club but they were dicking about and rdm said we were happy to keep them as part of the negotiation.
The Bennett thing, I suspect, is that we were close to an agreement with wednesday and agreed to the medical whilst we were still talking but then we had an offer (from Cardiff) where we didn't have to sub his wages so we told them to match it or walk away. The delay is probably that Bennett wanted to go to Wednesday not Cardiff so there was work to do getting him to sign.
I tend to believe the simplest solution in cases like this and he above is the obvious choice for that.
I did say, "probably paranoid".
Nonetheless, could you supply an example of a player undergoing a medical at BH, at which stage our Chairman/CEO announced, "Deal off, chaps" followed by a pop in in the social media of the day?
In fact, in the history of transfer activities in the top leagues, how many have broken down at the medical examination where the reason is not erm ... medical?
Lescott about 2 weeks ago? Adebayor last summer? The specifics are different but player having a medical and then not going to the club happens every window, sometimes it looks done and then something scuppers it. Hell go back a bit further didn't we cause Harewood to leave the motorway going to a medical elsewhere to come to us instead?
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I like the way Xia is handling a lot of the twitter stuff, makes fans feel more involved even if he or the club doesn't take notes from the fans. Commenting on transfers etc comes with a risk but it takes a lot away from the rumour mongers and shitty tabloids, which is (almost) never a bad thing.
Besides, it's just football, and there are more important things to worry about.
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Xia is out of control and one of his underlings needs to have a quiet word. Are we a professional outfit or his personal plaything? Leave the tweeting to morons and trolls. That's what it is designed for.
Agree with most of what you said Lee however two things. There is a big cultural gap and behaviour we expect as norm is not necessarily the same in other cultures. Secondly being a billionaire in his 30s you would expect some brashness.
And oh yes actually we are his personal plaything😊
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Xia up until now has done one thing that is for me the most important thing - he's delivered on everything he's promised. More than that he's delivered everything we were all calling for back in May. That needs to be applauded. He's taken the pressure off RDM/Clarke to leave them to get on with their jobs at the busiest time of year, plus he's made sure, together with them, we've been very astute with transfers and sales to basically rebuild a squad with very little money, £26.5m by my numbers.
Only the most naive among us would not be concerned about the lack of transparency regarding Recon. The contradictions regarding Samuelson's position don't fill me with confidence but I'm more than happy to see he's no longer associated with the club. Jamie Banfill is however a "legal advisor" which is a strange one. I have no worries about Xia going back on his claim that he would be spending one year based in Birmingham to return to China to take care of business there. His job here is almost complete for now so it makes little sense to hang around when he has others that can take care of his plans on a day to day basis.
As for his tweets, they've been both informative and amusing. My favourite, straight out of the School of Beijing Red 4 Lyf was this beauty:
Dr. Tony Xia @Dr_TonyXia Aug 20
Study math harder! Already 6 ins, 2more will be 8! We hope can achieve more. No more moaning!!!
Who'd have thought back in May we'd have had such a busy and fun summer. Yes, he's the complete opposite of Randy Lerner in terms of communication which is still extreme. Whether anybody has the courage to tell him to tone it down a little, I very much doubt, at least not until it backfires. Until then we'll just have to accept we have a rather maverick owner, who despite the little we really know about him, appears to get the job done with little fuss.
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I hope he turns Twitter notifications off on his phone tonight.
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Yup, it will all go Beijing Red but in a bad way.
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Another big talk needs apparently .....
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He's back..
Dr. Tony Xia @Dr_TonyXia 53s54 seconds ago
Shame for the 2nd half! Need BIG talk again!!!
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He's back..
Dr. Tony Xia @Dr_TonyXia 53s54 seconds ago
Shame for the 2nd half! Need BIG talk again!!!
Shame?!
It's a disgrace. Forget talk, action is required in the shape of a striker who has pace and a will to win.
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He's back..
Dr. Tony Xia @Dr_TonyXia 53s54 seconds ago
Shame for the 2nd half! Need BIG talk again!!!
Shame?!
It's a disgrace. Forget talk, action is required in the shape of a striker who has pace and a will to win.
Depends who the BIG talk is directed towards. If it's Hernandez's agent, then I'm all for it. If it's at Di Matteo, or the players, I suspect it'll be white noise to them.
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I hope he's not speaking to the players. He should be nowhere near the dressing room
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I hope he's not speaking to the players. He should be nowhere near the dressing room
He's already given them one Powerpoint presentation that I know of.
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I hope he's not speaking to the players. He should be nowhere near the dressing room
Same here, he seemed to think the last talk he gave them was the reason for an improved performance, he's on some massive ego trip.
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I hope he's not speaking to the players. He should be nowhere near the dressing room
I don't think he can help himself. There was the picture of him lecturing the players about success, and earlier today he was talking about having a look round Bristol with them.
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Very worrying if this is the case. At the very least it undermines the manager. The more I read and hear about Xia, the more concerned I become.
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He's back..
Dr. Tony Xia @Dr_TonyXia 53s54 seconds ago
Shame for the 2nd half! Need BIG talk again!!!
Shame?!
It's a disgrace. Forget talk, action is required in the shape of a striker who has pace and a will to win.
Depends on how you define "shame". There's the "oh, such a shame" variety that we may be used to, or there's the far-eastern "you bring great shame". And today, the latter is appropriate.
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He's back..
Dr. Tony Xia @Dr_TonyXia 53s54 seconds ago
Shame for the 2nd half! Need BIG talk again!!!
Shame?!
It's a disgrace. Forget talk, action is required in the shape of a striker who has pace and a will to win.
Depends on how you define "shame". There's the "oh, such a shame" variety that we may be used to, or there's the far-eastern "you bring great shame". And today, the latter is appropriate.
Agreed. I don't think he's too happy.
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I think "shame" is fair enough. I wouldn't have expected him to have memorised the thesaurus already.
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I'd have been fine with 'big bag of shite 2nd half. big talk needed!.'
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Very worrying if this is the case. At the very least it undermines the manager. The more I read and hear about Xia, the more concerned I become.
Mmmm. He obviously intends to intefere to a level that even Doug would not have considered. I wonder how long it will be before Steve Clarke
gets fed up of it and moves on.
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you think the wheel's on fire already, Ron?
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you think the wheel's on fire already, Ron?
I will ask Julie Driscoll.!
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Go to the top and ask Dylan himself!
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Go to the top and ask Dylan himself!
If my memory serves me well didn't someone else write it with him. Levon Helm perhaps?
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I hope he's not speaking to the players. He should be nowhere near the dressing room
I don't think he can help himself. There was the picture of him lecturing the players about success, and earlier today he was talking about having a look round Bristol with them.
Honestly, he shouldn't be anywhere near the players.
Mind you, he's fucking off back to China when the window closes, apparently. He'll have to Skype in to give them his lectures about winning.
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Wonder at what stage he takes his acoustic in to the dressing room to run some tunes past the boys?
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Damned if you do, damned if you don't, damned no matter what. I don't think he lost the game today, did he?
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Damned if you do, damned if you don't, damned no matter what. I don't think he lost the game today, did he?
A Xia-esque post
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Damned if you do, damned if you don't, damned no matter what. I don't think he lost the game today, did he?
A Xia-esque post
I get that you don't like the owner, and probably nothing he can do is right. But I don't think that something that rotten over the last 4-5 years can have one simple solution.
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Damned if you do, damned if you don't, damned no matter what. I don't think he lost the game today, did he?
Nobody is suggesting that, Edvard. The discussion is over whether or not he's getting too involved with team matters (as judged by some of his tweets).
I hope he isn't. He's not really put a foot wrong thus far (other than the tweets IMO), and if he were involving himself too closely, it'd almost certainly screw everything up.
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Damned if you do, damned if you don't, damned no matter what. I don't think he lost the game today, did he?
Nobody is suggesting that, Edvard. The discussion is over whether or not he's getting too involved with team matters (as judged by some of his tweets).
I hope he isn't. He's not really put a foot wrong thus far (other than the tweets IMO), and if he were involving himself too closely, it'd almost certainly screw everything up.
I have no chance of knowing this, but guessing since he is self-made, that he doesn't get involved in micro management, but he can have his say that what is happening isn't good enough, and demand that a solution is found quickly by the current setup. I would hope he does.
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Wonder at what stage he takes his acoustic in to the dressing room to run some tunes past the boys?
Probably after the rumoured Powerpoint presentation.
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Damned if you do, damned if you don't, damned no matter what. I don't think he lost the game today, did he?
Nobody is suggesting that, Edvard. The discussion is over whether or not he's getting too involved with team matters (as judged by some of his tweets).
I hope he isn't. He's not really put a foot wrong thus far (other than the tweets IMO), and if he were involving himself too closely, it'd almost certainly screw everything up.
I have no chance of knowing this, but guessing since he is self-made, that he doesn't get involved in micro management, but he can have his say that what is happening isn't good enough, and demand that a solution is found quickly by the current setup. I would hope he does.
Of course he can, and I'd agree, it does need to improve, but that's not what people are getting at - he's already had the team in for one session to discuss how he made a success of thing, and is talking tonight of how he needs a "big talk" to them.
They are just the first inklings that he might be getting over-involved. They might lead to nothing, but I don't think there's anything wrong with expressing concern with the way that side of things is going.
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I hope he understands that what might work in a business setting or even in China as a form of motivation is wasted on footballers who for the most part have just about sufficient education to turn on a light.
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Damned if you do, damned if you don't, damned no matter what. I don't think he lost the game today, did he?
A Xia-esque post
I get that you don't like the owner, and probably nothing he can do is right. But I don't think that something that rotten over the last 4-5 years can have one simple solution.
It was more an attempt at humour by me, to be honest. Although I suppose if you have to explain your Jokes then it probably means they're not funny.
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Damned if you do, damned if you don't, damned no matter what. I don't think he lost the game today, did he?
Nobody is suggesting that, Edvard. The discussion is over whether or not he's getting too involved with team matters (as judged by some of his tweets).
I hope he isn't. He's not really put a foot wrong thus far (other than the tweets IMO), and if he were involving himself too closely, it'd almost certainly screw everything up.
I have no chance of knowing this, but guessing since he is self-made, that he doesn't get involved in micro management, but he can have his say that what is happening isn't good enough, and demand that a solution is found quickly by the current setup. I would hope he does.
Commenting when the team is doing well is generally harmless but when we lose like today, there is no upside. I don't want him commenting on the game - that's for the manager. Nothing good ever comes of owners being the spokesperson for the club. Leeds are a sobering example of that.
If we continue to struggle to get any momentum and he sacks Di Matteo in the next two or three months, we'll know the road we're going down. I'm not convinced about him.
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It is one thing fans criticising on forums and obviously managers will have their say in the dressing room and sometimes in public. But an owner should maybe 'keep his powder dry' and if he has to show his annoyance don't do it every five minutes. Otherwise you end up being like David Sullivan.
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For the sake of balance I am not convinced about RDM.
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Damned if you do, damned if you don't, damned no matter what. I don't think he lost the game today, did he?
I'm in the minority who wishes he wouldn't tweet, so he's damned whatever he tweets as far as I'm concerned.
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He's just tweeted that it's a marathon and not a sprint. If he thinks I'm prepared to wait for 6 years before we become the World's best team he can focking whistle
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He's just tweeted that it's a marathon and not a sprint. If he thinks I'm prepared to wait for 6 years before we become the World's best team he can focking whistle
In five years time when we're heading to the Nou Camp or Bernebau we'll be talking about that time we lost 3-1 to Bristol City.
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He's just tweeted that it's a marathon and not a sprint. If he thinks I'm prepared to wait for 6 years before we become the World's best team he can focking whistle
Come on! you have to explain the jokes ;)
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I wonder if "his lesson learned" (RM etc.) is that Ayew isn't the solution? Any other that performed way below expected?
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For the sake of balance I am not convinced about RDM.
For the sake of additional balance, he has Steve Clarke sitting next to him, somebody with far more experience. Whether he decides to listen is another matter. I suggest he does while he has the chance.
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I would have been happy with Steve Clarke as manager. I am not unhappy with RDM just not convinced yet by the five league games, Luton and the Boro warm up.
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I think it's a bit early to be questioning RDM. He's had no time really to turn around this club. The new players need to settle.
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I think it's a bit early to be questioning RDM. He's had no time really to turn around this club. The new players need to settle.
Agreed. Ron Atkinson only won two of his first seven I think, Brian Little didn't win any of his first four or five. For Di Matteo's job to be on the line would be crazy after five games.
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I think it's a bit early to be questioning RDM. He's had no time really to turn around this club. The new players need to settle.
I agree. He's brought a lot of players in and he deserves time and our support to sort it out.
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Same here, Brian. I was never a fan of RDM as manager but fully supported the RDM/Clarke combo. All the Sandra Bullocks about Champions league winner means nothing to me. We need first and foremost, a team of fighters that will go to places like Bristol and get the result. I hope together they can get the message through to the players otherwise Xia will pull the trigger with a ready made replacement with initialed tracksuits already produced and distributed to the new manager.
Xia was supposed to piss off on Wednesday after all his hard work in turning us around and making sure the manager got what he wanted. I'd don't imagine he's the type to appreciate having his plans disrupted. The patience of St Randy I very much doubt he has. Like many of us, he's (literally) banking on automatic promotion.
He's also stated how difficult it is to operate in the loans business. That job just got much harder trying to sell to a player a club sitting in 16th position in the bloody Championship, 1 point above the relegation zone.
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How can you question RDM after just 5 games and the mess he inherited.
We are not Leeds, in patches we have played well. How can you possibly place at the door of RDM the lapse in form of Ayew? He needs to learn how to play with Ross.
I am a realist and know we have little chance of automatic promotion once by brain engages.
The whole "project" needs bedding in. The likes of Pearson and Moyes are not exactly uprooting trees.
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Loving this.. crazy as it is..
Dr. Tony Xia @Dr_TonyXia 2h2 hours ago
TVZ @TheVillaZone
Do you want Enner Valencia? #AVFC (poll added)
Dr. Tony Xia Retweeted TVZ
No needs to vote. I called a stop after I watched three games!
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He is a total reversal of what we were use to for 10 years, good or bad not yet sure, but definatly different. A younger and more connected with social media chairman is what we have at the moment, emotional and at times finger happy, but RDM may go, whoever else he employs may go, but he will not until he is ready, so the phrase "get use to it" apply's.
Maybe his big talk is with RDM and the coaching staff and to be fair at the moment that maybe needed.
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Like you Rudy I was never a fan of RDM but he and his team have my full support. However, for me, the priority remains to see the games and assess them truthfully. If there is writing on the wall it has to be read. Where there is weakness it has to be addressed. Where there are strengths they have to be used. Only a fool would expect a team full of new players to be an instant success but the bedding in process is not a natural phenomenon that will just happen in its own good time. It has to be made to happen. It is what good managers and coaches do.
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Talking of getting rid of Roberto is ridiculous. We've gotta show a bit of patience with 6 new players in the team. In parts we look good just need to show a bit of composure when we concede.
We do not want to become Leeds
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I think it's a bit early to be questioning RDM. He's had no time really to turn around this club. The new players need to settle.
I agree. He's brought a lot of players in and he deserves time and our support to sort it out.
Agreed,sir.
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I have not seen anybody suggest getting rid of RDM. I certainly have not. What I want from him and his team is some evidence that they are addressing the problems. Nothing more, nothing less.
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I have seen people saying sack him Brian. Stupid in my opinion
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Couple of Tony specials today about Valencia and Hernandez.
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When he says - 'need BIG talk again' it doesn't actually say who to, who by, or about what.
People could read far too much into it by thinking he is the one giving the big talk. It could be that he thinks (or knows) RDM will be having a big talk with the players. It may be that he thinks he needs another big talk with RDM about what's needed in the final days of the transfer window.
A combination of ESOL & a 140 character limit leaves a lot open for interpretation, so I don't read that as anything much more than a statement that we need to stop having games like that.
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1 win in 5 tells me everything I need to know about how we are doing.
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Turning back to the main subject - As much as Dr Tony wishes to build a rapport with the fans he needs to let the management of the club discuss all things on the pitch not himself. Bet RDM is fed up already with the interference.
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Turning back to the main subject - As much as Dr Tony wishes to build a rapport with the fans he needs to let the management of the club discuss all things on the pitch not himself. Bet RDM is fed up already with the interference.
Not sure he has interfered or said anything that would pee off RDM
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1 win in 5 tells me everything I need to know about how we are doing.
Must be easy living with such a simple black and white attitude.
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1 win in 5 tells me everything I need to know about how we are doing.
Must be easy living with such a simple black and white attitude.
Just as no one would have cared a jot about Lerners silence if we had been a top 4 team and winning cups, the same applies with Tones apparent fascination with Twitter.
I think he will learn this the hard way.
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When he says - 'need BIG talk again' it doesn't actually say who to, who by, or about what.
People could read far too much into it by thinking he is the one giving the big talk. It could be that he thinks (or knows) RDM will be having a big talk with the players. It may be that he thinks he needs another big talk with RDM about what's needed in the final days of the transfer window.
A combination of ESOL & a 140 character limit leaves a lot open for interpretation, so I don't read that as anything much more than a statement that we need to stop having games like that.
True but its not just that. What about this below?
This seems to suggest he's picking the players we sign rather than the manager (based on whether he rates them or not). That's one for the manager, surely?
I am not suggesting he is going to be picking the team or anything but this stuff and it being aired for the world makes me very nervous
Dr. Tony Xia @Dr_TonyXia 2h2 hours ago
TVZ @TheVillaZone
Do you want Enner Valencia? #AVFC (poll added)
Dr. Tony Xia Retweeted TVZ
No needs to vote. I called a stop after I watched three games!
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I have to say that his decision is right - £12m for a player no Spam fan would shed a tear over. The pornos would have donkey konged him good and proper on that one.
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That's not the point though.
I remember we were all gutted when our manager at the time bought Heskey and Harewood but it was his decision to make.
The stuff on here about RDM's job being at threat is absurd.
He needs to be getting on with his job, he won't need football input from the chairman
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he does when Valencia is clearly not what we need.
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Regarding RDM, I think it's a bit too early to start questioning him. The Luton game apart, there were signs of improvement until yesterday and there are going to be bumps in the road as Norwich also found out yesterday. There are still problems to iron out though. How we react to yesterday will be the next test.
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he does when Valencia is clearly not what we need.
I'm sorry but no. This hints at a potentially big problem. We can't have the fucking chairman scouting players. That's probably what Cellino does. Even if it's the right call. Even if he does it again and it's the right call.
How long before he's saying to RDM - why isn't x playing ahead of y?
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he does when Valencia is clearly not what we need.
And what about when the player is exactly what we need?
You're going to have to accept the chairman as ultimate judge of a player's quality then too.
Surely that's the managers job and not the chairman's to discuss on Twitter
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I'm with Paulie on this. Unless it's a joint decision that all three (him, RDM and Clarke) have come to, it shouldn't be the chairman calling the shots on potential players, if that is what is happening.
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Who does the owner think he is....Doug?
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My concern is what example does his Tweeting set to the rest of the Club and particularly players.
The idea that a Chairman states publicly his views on players is a Counter productive.
An organisation where the leadership agenda is communicated via Twitter is crazy.
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RDM strikes me as laid back in the extreme.He may be unhappy at the way Xia conducts himself as would David Moyes should we have taken him on. Nigel Pearson however would
have got him in a headlock and persuaded him to cease twittering!!
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I hope that the Dr is getting involved with potential targets- one of the main reasons we have had to do a complete overhaul of the playing squad is that previous managers have spunked a lot of cash on players who were clearly not fit for purpose without question or sanction. I agree with Clampy that it should be a three or possibly four way decision and so far the purchases this summer have been generally very good. Whoever is ultimately responsible for getting the players over the line deserves credit, as being part of Aston Villa, whatever we as supporters may think, is not the attraction it once was (and that is putting it mildly).
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I hope that the Dr is getting involved with potential targets- one of the main reasons we have had to do a complete overhaul of the playing squad is that previous managers have spunked a lot of cash on players who were clearly not fit for purpose without question or sanction. I agree with Clampy that it should be a three or possibly four way decision and so far the purchases this summer have been generally very good. Whoever is ultimately responsible for getting the players over the line deserves credit, as being part of Aston Villa, whatever we as supporters may think, is not the attraction it once was (and that is putting it mildly).
Other than financial, what possible contribution could Xia make when it comes to buying players? He chooses the manager who tells him what players he wants then he decides whether he wants to pay whatever the selling club are after. He shouldn't be judging whether they are any good or not. That's why he has a manager and coaching staff. I hope this is the arrangement.
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Tony has just tweeted confessing he was angry at the non celebration of Ayew.
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Tony has just tweeted confessing he was angry at the non celebration of Ayew.
That's just plain bloody stupid.
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Tony has just tweeted confessing he was angry at the non celebration of Ayew.
Oh dear.
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Tony has just tweeted confessing he was angry at the non celebration of Ayew.
What does anyone read into Ayew body language in that ?
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Like I've just said to someone else on here, the transfer tweets are fine. He's overstepping the mark on some of them though and he's also tweeting far too much. He needs to show a bit of decorum if that's the word.
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Like I've just said to someone else on here, the transfer tweets are fine. He's overstepping the mark on some of them though and he's also tweeting far too much. He needs to show a bit of decorum if that's the word.
Common sense are 2 other words.
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Tony has just tweeted confessing he was angry at the non celebration of Ayew.
He hasn't mentioned Ayew by name in fairness but it's seems it's who he's on about.
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Can't find that one on my Twitter feed
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Now deleted?
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....after about 40 retweets and 100 likes.
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Now deleted?
That's why I can't find it then
if he's deleting Twitter posts it's because he's reacting before thinking first which is exactly what some people on here were afraid of
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Can't find that one on my Twitter feed
He definitely said it. It was in reply to a fan that posted a video of a Ayew's non celebration.
It's daft anyway, some players don't over celebrate goals and it shouldn't be a gauge of how much they do or don't care. If Ayew has a bad attitude, then he's the hardest working "bad egg" I've ever seen play for us.
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Can't find that one on my Twitter feed
He definitely said it. It was in reply to a fan that posted a video of a Ayew's non celebration.
It's daft anyway, some players don't over celebrate goals and it shouldn't be a gauge of how much they do or don't care. If Ayew has a bad attitude, then he's the hardest working "bad egg" I've ever seen play for us.
in some games last season he looked like he was the only one on the pitch who was bothered
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Tony has just tweeted confessing he was angry at the non celebration of Ayew.
That's just plain bloody stupid.
Quite! Brian Little never used to make a big thing about a Villa goal. Some players are like that.
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Tony has just tweeted confessing he was angry at the non celebration of Ayew.
That's just plain bloody stupid.
Quite! Brian Little never used to make a big thing about a Villa goal. Some players are like that.
What would Xia have made of Morley flicking the Vs at Saunders after he scored?
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Tony has just tweeted confessing he was angry at the non celebration of Ayew.
That's just plain bloody stupid.
Quite! Brian Little never used to make a big thing about a Villa goal. Some players are like that.
Gary Shaw was the same- even when scoring himself he looked almost apologetic or embarrassed sometimes. Can't understand the sudden anti Ayew sentiments as against Derby his work rate and application was first class. If anything at the moment he looks like a player who is trying too hard and not getting the luck his effort deserves.
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This tweeting malarkey is so obviously not going to end well
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Turning back to the main subject - As much as Dr Tony wishes to build a rapport with the fans he needs to let the management of the club discuss all things on the pitch not himself. Bet RDM is fed up already with the interference.
Indeed. Unfortunately, it may well be another example of 'He who pays the piper...' ???
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Yes, now deleted.
I suspect managing the team will become difficult. Tony is clearly very determined to motor on. Should we be thankful for that, or slightly fearful?
For me, I'm pleased he is taking it on himself to drive us forward. He just has to be cautious at the level of insight he is giving us all, and from becoming a young Jesus Gill (I think that was the name if the notorious Athletico Madrid supremo)
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Ayew having a face that looks like he's permanently got a turtles head ready to appear isn't his fault
Yesterday was the first game this season I haven't seen in full (either in person or on the box) so i have no idea how he played. But in all the games previous he's done more than his share of work. Yet since yesterday you'd think he'd turned into Cascarino judging by the bullshit about him on twitter
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Tony has just tweeted confessing he was angry at the non celebration of Ayew.
That's just plain bloody stupid.
Ditto.
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Losing games or a sticky period in our form when tension escalates is the test. He needs to keep his emotions in check. It's a lot like cutting wood. Measure twice cut once. In the case of Twitter or email, read twice before hitting send. Also don't do either when you are upset or you could lose a finger.
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Ayew having a face that looks like he's permanently got a turtles head ready to appear isn't his fault
Yesterday was the first game this season I haven't seen in full (either in person or on the box) so i have no idea how he played. But in all the games previous he's done more than his share of work. Yet since yesterday you'd think he'd turned into Cascarino judging by the bullshit about him on twitter
Haha, thanks for that M'lud. That's put a proper grin on me chops at long last. Lovely stuff. 8)
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There appears to be a minority who actually embrace the owner's 'input' on transfers. I wonder if they were so supportive of Doug getting rid of most of the '82 side or interfearing with any buys SGT or BFR wanted to make.
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In time I hope he'll strike the correct balance. Communication is good, but he needs to be careful not to alienate our staff.
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If that type of thing carrys on, it'll get serious.
Bennett was no great loss, in the grand scheme of things. So upsetting him isn't a huge deal.
But there may be players we want to keep in the future (hard to believe, I know) who will be quite happy to bail on a club that airs its dirty linen in public.
Don't think the manager will be too happy to have his transfer targets continuously confirmed either.
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Bennett apologised to Xia.
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I'm concerned that Tony is too involved it what is /is not happening on the transfer front. I welcome the increased communication & that he fights our corner.
However, one or two of his tweets indicate that he's forming a Doug Ellis like role at the club. If it's an opinion fine but if he's interfering it's going to end badly.
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Just tweeted that he's had a meeting with the TD, before getting on the plane...
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Dr. Tony Xia @Dr_TonyXia 2m
We're working hard 2bring new players, but I think there're something more important need 2be solved too. Takes time 2get all right ppl.#UTV
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oh dear that sounds like our targets have got cold feet
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I'm not sure that's ominous. Maybe he's talking about getting rid of bad apples. I reckon we'll still get two players in.
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oh dear that sounds like our targets have got cold feet
Does it? Sounds more like our problems aren't just about new players, but something more deep seated, which we all know. Attitude, application, confidence, will to win, perhaps?
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I read it more as him just saying that signings aren't going to solve everything. As we saw yesterday it's going to take a while to get the team gelling together and erasing the ghosts of last season.
We've got 3 days so I wouldn't doubt that we'll see another 1-2 in.
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Yep that makes sense.
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Our owner, conducting his comms by typing in text speak like a 14 year old. Makes my fucking eyes bleed. What a fucking joke.
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A bit of the top. That's just what happens in Twitter, because there is a finite number of characters to get a message across. Some of the Dr's tweets haven't been appropriate, but there's nothing wrong with the content of that one.
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come off it, if this was Blues we'd be pissing ourselves.
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I couldn't give a shit about Blues. I don't go on Twitter, but it's clearly becoming more and more a standard way of communicating. Frankly Dr Xia has pretty much backed up what he has said he would do in tweets and that's all that matters. You mention Blues, but would you be laughing at them if their owner tweeted like ours about bringing in players and then actually did it? I doubt it.
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Bennett apologised to Xia.
Yes so he should.
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I couldn't give a shit about Blues. I don't go on Twitter, but it's clearly becoming more and more a standard way of communicating. Frankly Dr Xia has pretty much backed up what he has said he would do in tweets and that's all that matters. You mention Blues, but would you be laughing at them if their owner tweeted like ours about bringing in players and then actually did it? I doubt it.
Edit. No, I'm not getting into a row
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To be fair, he tweets better in English than I could in Mandarin.
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@Chico Hamilton III
Tone had just replied after reading your criticism.
"#DrXia dats my bad. Soz kp 😆"
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I'm trying to imagine how mad things behind the scenes must be right now. We all know we want new faces in and we must be juggling several balls in the air on that side.
But the fact four of the biggest blood suckers Richards, Lescott, Hutton and Gabby are still on the books and being paid VAST sums must be crippling. I don't think any of them are likely to be actively trying to secure a move via their agents and it must be draining for the owner/board having to deal with that shit as well as the much needed incoming's
Fuck off the four of you. Show some ambition/respect and get your careers back on track somewhere. It's like the Bennett nonsense where he wanted us to pay some of his wages to move on with his career. Get fucked
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If it was Blues I'd be a bit concerned that they'd spent £40 million with the promise of at least £20 million more.
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How is Hutton a blood sucker?
He's shit but he's hardly in the Lescott Richards bracket
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How is Hutton a blood sucker?
He's shit but he's hardly in the Lescott Richards bracket
Not quite in the bracket of the other two mentioned, but in the five seasons he has been at the club he must have earnt millions all while contributing very little really.
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Dr. Tony Xia @Dr_TonyXia 2m
We're working hard 2bring new players, but I think there're something more important need 2be solved too. Takes time 2get all right ppl.#UTV
Surely all he's referring to is the technical side of the development given that he was meeting the new Technical Director?
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I've never been much of a one for Twitter but been on more than ever due to our Tone's Tweets. I've also followed some utter shite Villa groups and had to delete the lot of them. Our Tony can tweet some shite, but not anywhere near as shite as some of our fan sites.
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A bit of the top. That's just what happens in Twitter, because there is a finite number of characters to get a message across.
Are you not allowed to send more than one message?
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I've never been much of a one for Twitter but been on more than ever due to our Tone's Tweets. I've also followed some utter shite Villa groups and had to delete the lot of them. Our Tony can tweet some shite, but not anywhere near as shite as some of our fan sites.
Amen to that.
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A bit of the top. That's just what happens in Twitter, because there is a finite number of characters to get a message across.
Are you not allowed to send more than one message?
Yes, but I'm guessing he's trying to get his message across as succinctly as possible. Also given that English isn't his first language it seems a bit harsh to criticise him when the meaning behind the tweet is absolutely fine.
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To be fair, he tweets better in English than I could in Mandarin.
拉屎 on the City.
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A bit of the top. That's just what happens in Twitter, because there is a finite number of characters to get a message across.
Are you not allowed to send more than one message?
You can get software that will split your tweets and mark them as 1/3, etc. The problem is it's very easy for people to post 1 of those out of context and make it look shit. Sticking to the limit works better but means things are open to interpretation.
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A bit of the top. That's just what happens in Twitter, because there is a finite number of characters to get a message across.
Are you not allowed to send more than one message?
Yes, but I'm guessing he's trying to get his message across as succinctly as possible. Also given that English isn't his first language it seems a bit harsh to criticise him when the meaning behind the tweet is absolutely fine.
Personally, I'd think that anybody who wrote something like "takes time 2get all right ppl" was a bit of a numpty regardless of who they were.
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To be fair, he tweets better in English than I could in Mandarin.
That would only be an issue if you were planning to run a Sichuan food restaurant in Shanghai.
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From what I have heard and read, the Club is actively trying to get the fans back on side after last season. It looks as though Dr Xia has decided that open communication via Twitter is the fastest way of doing it. I wonder if he is following sites like this and reacting to concerns raised by fans as most of his comments seem to be reactionary to discussions on here and elsewhere.
I do not think he is taking it too far. Regarding transfers, he has not mentioned names of players we are interested in, so he is staying on the right side of the line, unlike some of the PL clubs who actively unsettle players either directly or by using their contacts in the media. I do not think I have seen anything that he has said that has not been said widely by fans.
I think once the transfer window closes, his communications will reduce significantly. However, people need to understand that 'face' is very important part of the make up of people from the Far East. If Villa do not succeed, it will be a massive loss of face to him and he will take it personally. Also, 'respect' comes from power and money and not by deeds as it is in the West.
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To be fair, he tweets better in English than I could in Mandarin.
That would only be an issue if you were planning to run a Sichuan food restaurant in Shanghai.
Who leaked you my top secret Business Plan?
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A bit of the top. That's just what happens in Twitter, because there is a finite number of characters to get a message across.
Are you not allowed to send more than one message?
Yes, but I'm guessing he's trying to get his message across as succinctly as possible. Also given that English isn't his first language it seems a bit harsh to criticise him when the meaning behind the tweet is absolutely fine.
Personally, I'd think that anybody who wrote something like "takes time 2get all right ppl" was a bit of a numpty regardless of who they were.
Thts textist, shrly?
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Don't call me Shrly
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Don't call me Shrly
We need to find out if Dr T is tough and ruthless or rough and toothless or if he is a man of extraordinary magnitude.
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To be fair, he tweets better in English than I could in Mandarin.
That would only be an issue if you were planning to run a Sichuan food restaurant in Shanghai.
Who leaked you my top secret Business Plan?
Ahaa so I unearthed you very easily @ #Ri-chardE. It was your name on a learning Mandairin list I found on number 7 bus!
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To be fair, he tweets better in English than I could in Mandarin.
That would only be an issue if you were planning to run a Sichuan food restaurant in Shanghai.
Who leaked you my top secret Business Plan?
Ahaa so I unearthed you very easily @ #Ri-chardE. It was your name on a learning Mandairin list I found on number 7 bus!
Rumbled! At least my work for Mossad has yet to be exposed.
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You deceive yourself roundeyes. I already have a PM from undercover agent Frankmossadwasmyuncle listing all your spookery. Including the bugging of the Shirley Temple.
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You deceive yourself roundeyes. I already have a PM from undercover agent Frankmossadwasmyuncle listing all your spookery. Including the bugging of the Shirley Temple.
Why are they bugging a Chinese restaurant on the Stratford Road?
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You deceive yourself roundeyes. I already have a PM from undercover agent Frankmossadwasmyuncle listing all your spookery. Including the bugging of the Shirley Temple.
Why are they bugging a Chinese restaurant on the Stratford Road?
Blimey- is that still there? They had a restaurant and a take-away further down IIRC. I remember it with fondness as the first time I ordered a takeaway over the phone I was asked ( and I'll leave you to imagine, with respect, the heavy chinese accent involved) 'what your name?' 'Price' I answered( for that is my surname) response came back, '£6.50- but what your name? 'Smith' I replied and 'I'll collect in 10 minutes'- on the premise that that particular line of conversation had no potential conclusion.
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You deceive yourself roundeyes. I already have a PM from undercover agent Frankmossadwasmyuncle listing all your spookery. Including the bugging of the Shirley Temple.
Why are they bugging a Chinese restaurant on the Stratford Road?
Blimey- is that still there? They had a restaurant and a take-away further down IIRC. I remember it with fondness as the first time I ordered a takeaway over the phone I was asked ( and I'll leave you to imagine, with respect, the heavy chinese accent involved) 'what your name?' 'Price' I answered( for that is my surname) response came back, '£6.50- but what your name? 'Smith' I replied and 'I'll collect in 10 minutes'- on the premise that that particular line of conversation had no potential conclusion.
Sorry, it's closed down. It's an Italian now.
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You deceive yourself roundeyes. I already have a PM from undercover agent Frankmossadwasmyuncle listing all your spookery. Including the bugging of the Shirley Temple.
Why are they bugging a Chinese restaurant on the Stratford Road?
Blimey- is that still there? They had a restaurant and a take-away further down IIRC. I remember it with fondness as the first time I ordered a takeaway over the phone I was asked ( and I'll leave you to imagine, with respect, the heavy chinese accent involved) 'what your name?' 'Price' I answered( for that is my surname) response came back, '£6.50- but what your name? 'Smith' I replied and 'I'll collect in 10 minutes'- on the premise that that particular line of conversation had no potential conclusion.
Sorry, it's closed down. It's an Italian now.
Oh well- another piece of my life's jigsaw lost down the back of the sofa of destiny. Thanks for the update- you'll be telling me next that the India Cottage on the Dovehouse Lane Parade is no more and Wiggy, the proprietor, he of the worlds most obvious toupee, has gone to his chosen maker.
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You deceive yourself roundeyes. I already have a PM from undercover agent Frankmossadwasmyuncle listing all your spookery. Including the bugging of the Shirley Temple.
Why are they bugging a Chinese restaurant on the Stratford Road?
Blimey- is that still there? They had a restaurant and a take-away further down IIRC. I remember it with fondness as the first time I ordered a takeaway over the phone I was asked ( and I'll leave you to imagine, with respect, the heavy chinese accent involved) 'what your name?' 'Price' I answered( for that is my surname) response came back, '£6.50- but what your name? 'Smith' I replied and 'I'll collect in 10 minutes'- on the premise that that particular line of conversation had no potential conclusion.
Sorry, it's closed down. It's an Italian now.
The reach of our power knows no limits...
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You deceive yourself roundeyes. I already have a PM from undercover agent Frankmossadwasmyuncle listing all your spookery. Including the bugging of the Shirley Temple.
Why are they bugging a Chinese restaurant on the Stratford Road?
TBAR got bored.
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I do not think he is taking it too far. Regarding transfers, he has not mentioned names of players we are interested in, so he is staying on the right side of the line, unlike some of the PL clubs who actively unsettle players either directly or by using their contacts in the media. I do not think I have seen anything that he has said that has not been said widely by fans.
Well, he discussed Enner Valencia and Abel Hernandez when asked about them.
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Frankmossadwasmyuncle tells me, via a note written in lemon juice left behind the loose brick under the third ground floor window of Aston Hall that the Shirley Temple was closed because of the bugs. Or as we used to call our local cinema The Walk In Ride Out.
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I do not think he is taking it too far. Regarding transfers, he has not mentioned names of players we are interested in, so he is staying on the right side of the line, unlike some of the PL clubs who actively unsettle players either directly or by using their contacts in the media. I do not think I have seen anything that he has said that has not been said widely by fans.
Well, he discussed Enner Valencia and Abel Hernandez when asked about them.
Not in the "this player wants to play for us" before we have approached his club first, as far as I understand.
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You deceive yourself roundeyes. I already have a PM from undercover agent Frankmossadwasmyuncle listing all your spookery. Including the bugging of the Shirley Temple.
Why are they bugging a Chinese restaurant on the Stratford Road?
Blimey- is that still there? They had a restaurant and a take-away further down IIRC. I remember it with fondness as the first time I ordered a takeaway over the phone I was asked ( and I'll leave you to imagine, with respect, the heavy chinese accent involved) 'what your name?' 'Price' I answered( for that is my surname) response came back, '£6.50- but what your name? 'Smith' I replied and 'I'll collect in 10 minutes'- on the premise that that particular line of conversation had no potential conclusion.
Sorry, it's closed down. It's an Italian now.
Oh well- another piece of my life's jigsaw lost down the back of the sofa of destiny. Thanks for the update- you'll be telling me next that the India Cottage on the Dovehouse Lane Parade is no more and Wiggy, the proprietor, he of the worlds most obvious toupee, has gone to his chosen maker.
India Cottage on Dovehouse Parade is now 'Indian Dreams' and is my favourite Indian restaurant. Fantastic food and service. With the added advantage that the old gaffer of The India Cottage isn't there any more. We used to cal him 'Mr Crumbly Hands'. He would stand other you asking how your food was whilst rubbing his eczema ridden hands over your food. A topping you definitely hadn't ordered. We used to end up there after away games. For some reason the one time I particularly remember was New Years Day 1992 after we played away at Norwich.
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I do not think he is taking it too far. Regarding transfers, he has not mentioned names of players we are interested in, so he is staying on the right side of the line, unlike some of the PL clubs who actively unsettle players either directly or by using their contacts in the media. I do not think I have seen anything that he has said that has not been said widely by fans.
Well, he discussed Enner Valencia and Abel Hernandez when asked about them.
Not in the "this player wants to play for us" before we have approached his club first, as far as I understand.
Apart from that pillock David O'Leary, has anybody ever done that?
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Harold Redknapp. He got slyly worded "I like the lad" type comments down to a fine art.
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Harold Redknapp. He got slyly worded "I like the lad" type comments down to a fine art.
Saying you want to sign somebody though isn't the same as saying that you know somebody wants to join you.
Only O'Leary is that stupid.
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Agreed. O'Leary was an utter ****.
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Frankmossadwasmyuncle tells me, via a note written in lemon juice left behind the loose brick under the third ground floor window of Aston Hall that the Shirley Temple was closed because of the bugs. Or as we used to call our local cinema The Walk In Ride Out.
I think these bugs were called rats. And by the way both MI5 and 6 have replaced lemon juice with raspberry flavoured green tea.
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Of course. The cut backs.
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He's gone quiet. Nothing for two days?
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in China running the rest of the empire? Twitter ban?
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Sensible, for these few days a blow by blow account on rumours isn't needed just stick to confirmations
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Guess the deals this close to end of window are hectic, so only finalized will be tweeted
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This is one of the issues with his tweeting. Because he's set the bar so high in terms of volume of tweets, now anything other than that will be pored over. If he ever has a serious break from it or a step down in activity there will be 'he's lost interest' and 'he disappeared when it got tough' posts before you can blink, as with the general.
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This is one of the issues with his tweeting. Because he's set the bar so high in terms of volume of tweets, now anything other than that will be pored over. If he ever has a serious break from it or a step down in activity there will be 'he's lost interest' and 'he disappeared when it got tough' posts before you can blink, as with the general.
You can never please all of the people all of the time - and some are looking for things to be annoyed about (Twitter loads, some probably here as well).
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I thought he Tweeted last week that he was flying to China and USA on Rekon business.
That would explain his quiet time wouldn't it?
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He's just tweeted to say new striker will be announced in an hour "it's the best choice for us"
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The bloke has come through 100% on his commitment to invest in the club.
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Also tweeted that we are not signing Morrison
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Also tweeted that we are not signing Morrison
Good enough for me, he's nothing but trouble
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We are however signing James Morrison.
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We are however signing James Morrison.
However, it's the singer rather than the Albion player.
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We are however signing James Morrison.
However, it's the singer rather than the Albion player.
still more mobile than rudy..
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We are however signing James Morrison.
However, it's the singer rather than the Albion player.
still more mobile than rudy..
Van Morrison is more mobile than Rudy.
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Has he announced the Director of Football person yet?
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Has he announced the Director of Football person yet?
Steve Round?
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no he just left
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Courtney Cox?
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-My wife's gone to Indonesia
-Jakarta?
-Only as far as the airport.
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-My wife's gone to Indonesia
-Jakarta?
-Only as far as the airport.
- My wife's gone away too
- Jamaica?
- No she went of her own accord.
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-My wife's gone to Indonesia
-Jakarta?
-Only as far as the airport.
- My wife's gone away too
- Jamaica?
- No she went of her own accord.
Which reminds me that my wife has gone to the Eastern Bloc
-Russia?
-No,she took her time
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Fair play Tony, no rumours or bullshit, tells us the way it is. When we are not interested he tells us why, when it falls through he explains the reason and he splashes the cash as well. What's to complain about?
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I,ve just came back from the Falkland Islands,
Port Stanley ?.
No, I'll have a Sherry...and stop calling me Stanley .
.....Godzvilla!
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That in turn reminds me that my wife went to Australia.
Canberra?
Of course I can't, she's my wife.
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My wife's just gone to northern Italy
Genoa?
Course I do, we've been married for 30 years
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My wife's gone to Libya.
Tripoli?
Can't remember, I haven't seem em for years.
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My wife's gone to Libya.
Tripoli?
Can't remember, I haven't seem em for years.
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I went to see a horse race at the spiritual home of the Dalai Lama.
Tibet?
No, I just love horses.
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Just got back from Kent. Had to move my sheep into a different field.
Beckenham?
No, the dog rounds them up for me.
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My wife went mad in Venezuela
Caracas?
Yeah, absolutely fucking yampy
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My dog has got no nose.
How does he smell?
Awful.
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my wife said to me that she wanted to lose weight
i suggested that she walk 5 miles every morning and 5 miles every evening
"will that help me lose a few stone" she said
i said "maybe maybe not but at least after a week you'll be 70 miles away from me you fat cow"
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The missus went to a really bad concert in South East Asia
Singapore?
Yep, and the band were shit as well
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My wife looks like a million dollars
All green and crinkly.
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My wife and I are fastidious
I am fast and she is hideous.
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My wife just made her stage debut in Algeria.
Algiers?
No, some people clapped.
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My missus went to Hawaii,
Honolulu
No, on a surf board
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My wife just went to Burkina Faso.
Ouagadougou?
No she went on her own.
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My wife slipped on some ice in Berkshire
Ascot?
No, just a nasty bruise.
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My wife went to Yellowstone to see something
A geyser?
He couldn't afford her.
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My wife's off to the temples in Mali.
Timbuktu?
He'd better bloody not have.
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My wife sent me some correspondence from the Philippines.
Manila?
No, postcard.
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My wife's gone missing in Turkmenistan.
Ashgabat?
Of course I did, but nobody's seen her.
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My mate caught something on a cricket tour of Africa.
Ebola?
No, 'e very good fielder.
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My wife has gone to the Indian Ocean
Seychelles?
Chells.
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My mate's just got a job doing security at an aquarium on the Welsh coast.
Fishguard?
Sort of, yeah.
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Just been thinking of that holiday romance I had in North Wales.
Bangor?
No, we just had a kiss and a cuddle.
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My mate's just got a job doing security at an aquarium on the Welsh coast.
Fishguard?
Sort of, yeah.
As an ex resident of Pembrokeshire, I know for a fact that the aquarium in Fishguard closed years ago. You've punctured the essential honesty of this thread.
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My mate's just got a job doing security at an aquarium on the Welsh coast.
Fishguard?
Sort of, yeah.
As an ex resident of Pembrokeshire, I know for a fact that the aquarium in Fishguard closed years ago. You've punctured the essential honesty of this thread.
Haha!
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My wife went up a Welsh mountain
Snowdon?
No but it pissed with rain.
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My wife had her belongings stolen at an airport in Western Australia.
Perth?
Yes plus handbag, credit cards -the lot!
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My wife met a famous footballer in South East London
Peckham?
Not that famous.
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My wife bought some vegetables in South London
Brockley?
No, some cabbage.
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I was listening to WM and they said their favourite caller had gone to Vietnam.
Saigon?
I f****** hope so!
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My copy of Woman's Own magazine was stolen while holidaying on a small island in Massachusetts.
Nantucket?
She could have I suppose.
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I wonder if Dr X reads this thread.
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I wonder if Dr X reads this thread.
He might be Peking every now and then
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Gentlemen, the 1950's have been on the phone. They want their jokes back!!
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Gentlemen, the 1950's have been on the phone. They want their jokes back!!
You've never had it so good!
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My wife had some trousers made in southern France.
Toulon?
No Toulouse.
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My wife had some trousers made in southern France.
Toulon?
No Toulouse.
Good work. Two place names, Brian just took it up a level.
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I just bought some trousers in South Manchester.
Sale?
No, they were full price.
Reddish?
No, they're blue.
Altrincham?
No, they're a perfect fit.
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And here was me thinking Bob Monkhouse was dead
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I just bought some trousers in South Manchester.
Sale?
No, they were full price.
Reddish?
No, they're blue.
Altrincham?
No, they're a perfect fit.
Oh, and you have to say that's magnificent.
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My wife met a famous footballer in South East London
Peckham?
Not that famous.
I knew Mr Green would be in the middle of this
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My wife was attacked by Red Indians
Wichita?
They all did
Sawnee?
All over
Flathead?
It was always like that
Blackfoot?
Just bruising
Creek?
Only when she moves
Mobile?
Just about
Sioux?
Of course.
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I think these jokes have run their course now to be honest.
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My wife bought a car
London?
No Birmingham
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The auditions for next year's fringe are over. In other news aliens are thought to be behind a mysterious noise emanating from a far away star system
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My wife has a fanny that fits like a glove
Well I can get 5 fingers in it :-\
Whilst having sex I asked if there was a chance I could give her a baby
She said no as she has the coil fitted
With the size of her growler she should have had carpet fitted
Moved the jokes up to the 1970's working mens clubs level
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My wife has a fanny that fits like a glove
Well I can get 5 fingers in it :-\
Whilst having sex I asked if there was a chance I could give her a baby
She said no as she has the coil fitted
With the size of her growler she should have had carpet fitted
Moved the jokes up to the 1970's working mens clubs level
I think I'd rather go back to the fifties.
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Those tiny sweetener sachets in cafes.What's that all about.
Moved it to the 80s now.
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Of all the days he's been a bit quiet today hasn't he?
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I think he only speaks when it's justified to either confirm or negate rumours
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Just tweeted We're done this window. Nothing can be perfect as we tried2 more. But we achieved our early plan!Great work by the whole new team! #UTV
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Great work indeed by all
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Well done Doc!
Now, let's win some games team!
UTV!
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Dr. Tony Xia @Dr_TonyXia 2m
We're done. just sparked up a fat one .#UTV
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On Gabby rejecting Reading :
I was disappointed with this. I said2gabby that going somewhere even he unlikes playing convince us a real man. https://t.co/EcIOXRLfG1
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I see somebody tweeted him saying he wants to return his season tickets as the club have sold his kids favourite player. There's a few who contact him looking for a freebie (like when the General was on here) or some sort of 'experience', I don't believe for one minute Traore was a favourite player of anybody. Unless they have an obsession with medical reports and treatment rooms.
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I see somebody tweeted him saying he wants to return his season tickets as the club have sold his kids favourite player. There's a few who contact him looking for a freebie (like when the General was on here) or some sort of 'experience', I don't believe for one minute Traore was a favourite player of anybody. Unless they have an obsession with medical reports and treatment rooms.
Can you imagine the ticket requests he'd have if we got through to the play off final?
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I see somebody tweeted him saying he wants to return his season tickets as the club have sold his kids favourite player. There's a few who contact him looking for a freebie (like when the General was on here) or some sort of 'experience', I don't believe for one minute Traore was a favourite player of anybody. Unless they have an obsession with medical reports and treatment rooms.
Can you imagine the ticket requests he'd have if we got through to the play off final?
I think you mean the FA Cup Final surely? ;-)
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I see somebody tweeted him saying he wants to return his season tickets as the club have sold his kids favourite player. There's a few who contact him looking for a freebie (like when the General was on here) or some sort of 'experience', I don't believe for one minute Traore was a favourite player of anybody. Unless they have an obsession with medical reports and treatment rooms.
Can you imagine the ticket requests he'd have if we got through to the play off final?
I think you mean the FA Cup Final surely? ;-)
My mishtake.
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I see somebody tweeted him saying he wants to return his season tickets as the club have sold his kids favourite player. There's a few who contact him looking for a freebie (like when the General was on here) or some sort of 'experience', I don't believe for one minute Traore was a favourite player of anybody. Unless they have an obsession with medical reports and treatment rooms.
We have had to get over the selling of proper stars in the past, Gerry Hitchens was the first I remember, Andy Gray, David Platt, Dwight Yorke etc etc. Traore? I don't think so! If he was your favourite you would have had added disappointment last year as he was almost invisible.
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On Gabby rejecting Reading :
I was disappointed with this. I said2gabby that going somewhere even he unlikes playing convince us a real man. https://t.co/EcIOXRLfG1
fuck me- is that for real, or just a pisstake? This has got 'huge pile up on the M5' written all over it, if he carries on like this. The comment is harsh, but fair. My worry though is if when/ if we hit a rough patch of form that he starts slagging individual players, or the manager.
Hopefully he just retreats now and let's the management and players get on with the business of getting us promoted. Nice work on the transfer front Tone, but for the love of Christ, stop going on Twitter now until you announce more signings in Jan!
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That twitter bloke is Fergal esque in his "give me a freebie" whining.
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That twitter bloke is Fergal esque in his "give me a freebie" whining.
Doc my 13 year old son and I have been attending Villa matches together for 25 years, this year due to you not renewing my son's two favourite players contracts, Kieran Richardson and Charles N'Zogbia, we haven't been to a single Villa match and are considering supporting Man City unless we can get two tickets for the playoff final. It would break my heart to have to support another club.
Obviously I'll have to somehow condense that into 140 characters.
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really enjoyed the last few pages of 50/6070's "jokes" so here is my one and only effort...
my wife was looking at herself in the mirror and says "I'm fat and ugly...say something to cheer me up"
me: well your eyesight's perfect :)
cheers Tone for the tweets and a near decent transfer window...well done to all at the Villa
UTV
The Doc
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On Gabby rejecting Reading :
I was disappointed with this. I said2gabby that going somewhere even he unlikes playing convince us a real man. https://t.co/EcIOXRLfG1
fuck me- is that for real, or just a pisstake? This has got 'huge pile up on the M5' written all over it, if he carries on like this. The comment is harsh, but fair. My worry though is if when/ if we hit a rough patch of form that he starts slagging individual players, or the manager.
Hopefully he just retreats now and let's the management and players get on with the business of getting us promoted. Nice work on the transfer front Tone, but for the love of Christ, stop going on Twitter now until you announce more signings in Jan!
The Club needs to make a stand against players that are taking the p***. We are in a position with GA to make an example of him and, although it will cost us some money, we should push him away from the day-to-day activities of the club. If he wants to play around with his own career, that's up to him. What we shouldn't allow to happen is for him to come back into the squad as it will undermine discipline. His attitude stinks and attitude is everything when you are trying to build team spirit and discipline.
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Just seen this on my Twitter feed:
Leeds United FC @LUFC__ 56m56 minutes ago
NEWS | We are sad to announce that #Lufc centre half and total ****** @peppe_ele has been recalled from his loan spell
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Tell it like it is!
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Just seen this on my Twitter feed:
Leeds United FC @LUFC__ 56m56 minutes ago
NEWS | We are sad to announce that #Lufc centre half and total c*** @peppe_ele has been recalled from his loan spell
So many Leeds supporters fall for that account. Not sure if it's the same guys that are Beijing Red.
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Just seen this on my Twitter feed:
Leeds United FC @LUFC__ 56m56 minutes ago
NEWS | We are sad to announce that #Lufc centre half and total c*** @peppe_ele has been recalled from his loan spell
So many Leeds supporters fall for that account. Not sure if it's the same guys that are Beijing Red.
I've just scrolled down now....yes I see now, well at first glance I thought it was real.
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Tone's only a tweet or 2 away from one like that
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I was thinking that myself.
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Tone's only a tweet or 2 away from one like that
It's only a matter of time before he and Beijing Red clash.
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No one messes with Dr X
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Tom Joseph Harding @joseph20121995:
@Dr_TonyXia @retsub12 Unless a player comes in who excites as much as Traore did then I'll have to return the season tickets
and the Doctor responds
Dr. Tony Xia @Dr_TonyXia
Tom, I think you bought tickets to watch a team with fighting spirit not4 watching someone called talent on the bench?
Love it. That Tom Harding guy is lucky he didn't have his ST revoked. What a loser. No one cares that your kid liked Traore.. he was in a villa shirt for like 15 minutes. Piss off.
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Make that 15 seconds
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That is a funny response.
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He tweeted something 15 mins ago and deleted it. Not sure what/why, but I think it was Gabby related. Anyone managed to see it?
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He tweeted something 15 mins ago and deleted it. Not sure what/why, but I think it was Gabby related. Anyone managed to see it?
Something about being a adult - said gabby/paddy.
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Re Paddy&Gabby: Every adult need take full responsibility to things done in the past. It can't be taken easily by making another vow.
Not in the least bit provocative....
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He tweeted something 15 mins ago and deleted it. Not sure what/why, but I think it was Gabby related. Anyone managed to see it?
Re Paddy&Gabby: Every adult need take full responsibility to things done in the past. It can't be taken easily by making another vow.
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I know I shouldn't but I love this guy. How we could have done with a gaffer like him last season, stepping into the leadership void and calling players out for being ******.
As an aside can you imagine the combo if we had got Pearson in. Players would be having nervous breakdowns.
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I believe that Pearson is generally held in high regard by his former players as being supportive and standing up for them when needed, even though he might occasionally appear to the outside world as an aggressive maniac.
I don't think Pearson would generate more nervous breakdowns. At least, not in the squad. As for the fans, that's an entirely different matter.
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This Tom Harding has to be a wind up - to be obviously from the unwashed.
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Dr. Tony Xia @Dr_TonyXia
Old day friend, I have to say, I do think football club business is just about fans business.
Matt Milne @21Milner
@StephNUFC @Dr_TonyXia I don't think owners or chairman should have Twitter. If they do it shouldn't be about club business
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Dr. Tony Xia @Dr_TonyXia
Old day friend, I have to say, I do think football club business is just about fans business.
Matt Milne @21Milner
@StephNUFC @Dr_TonyXia I don't think owners or chairman should have Twitter. If they do it shouldn't be about club business
I know it's broken English, but the sentiment of that tweet is maybe the best thing I've heard from him from a fans perspective. I know for one my Dingle supporting mates are rather jealous as their new overlords have already fucked off.
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I think he genuinely understands and wants to build bridges. He's got some stuff wrong. He will get some things wrong in the future. He'll get a lot more right though in between.
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Dr. Tony Xia @Dr_TonyXia
Old day friend, I have to say, I do think football club business is just about fans business.
Matt Milne @21Milner
@StephNUFC @Dr_TonyXia I don't think owners or chairman should have Twitter. If they do it shouldn't be about club business
What a lovely sentiment.
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Dr. Tony Xia @Dr_TonyXia
Old day friend, I have to say, I do think football club business is just about fans business.
Matt Milne @21Milner
@StephNUFC @Dr_TonyXia I don't think owners or chairman should have Twitter. If they do it shouldn't be about club business
What a lovely sentiment.
Quite right, personally I'd have told the Geordie to worry about the fat malevolent ****** in charge of his own club.
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Dr. Tony Xia @Dr_TonyXia
Old day friend, I have to say, I do think football club business is just about fans business.
Matt Milne @21Milner
@StephNUFC @Dr_TonyXia I don't think owners or chairman should have Twitter. If they do it shouldn't be about club business
What a lovely sentiment.
Quite right, personally I'd have told the Geordie to worry about the fat malevolent c*** in charge of his own club.
Ah, Mike Ashley. The acceptable face of capitalism.
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There's nothing acceptable about his face.
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There's nothing acceptable about his face.
Or his neo - liberal interpretation of capitalism.
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Strange to reflect that in the 'class system within the class system', Ashley is despised by many of his fellow-capitalists as an arriviste.
Can't have these upstarts joining our exclusive club, now can we?
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Strange to reflect that in the 'class system within the class system', Ashley is despised by many of his fellow-capitalists as an arriviste.
Can't have these upstarts joining our exclusive club, now can we?
I think many, many of his fellow human beings despise him.
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Strange to reflect that in the 'class system within the class system', Ashley is despised by many of his fellow-capitalists as an arriviste.
Can't have these upstarts joining our exclusive club, now can we?
I think many, many of his fellow human beings despise him.
Yeah, I don't think you'd need to be a capitalist to think that he's a complete twat. There's stories and pictures on the net this week of him smiling and pulling out a huge bundle of cash at the security point in one of the warehouses, where he was paying people below minimum wage, to repeat, twat.
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Strange to reflect that in the 'class system within the class system', Ashley is despised by many of his fellow-capitalists as an arriviste.
Can't have these upstarts joining our exclusive club, now can we?
I think many, many of his fellow human beings despise him.
Yeah, I don't think you'd need to be a capitalist to think that he's a complete twat. There's stories and pictures on the net this week of him smiling and pulling out a huge bundle of cash at the security point in one of the warehouses, where he was paying people below minimum wage, to repeat, twat.
I don't mind the bloke actually
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Yeah, I don't think you'd need to be a capitalist to think that he's a complete twat. There's stories and pictures on the net this week of him smiling and pulling out a huge bundle of cash at the security point in one of the warehouses, where he was paying people below minimum wage, to repeat, twat.
Saw that, huge wad of fifties, stay classy Ashley.
Would genuinely like to know what it is you like about the bloke John, unless it was sarcasm that dodged my radar.
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Strange to reflect that in the 'class system within the class system', Ashley is despised by many of his fellow-capitalists as an arriviste.
Can't have these upstarts joining our exclusive club, now can we?
I doubt other capitalists view him as an arriviste or new money they probably think he's a c*** just like you and me.
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Strange to reflect that in the 'class system within the class system', Ashley is despised by many of his fellow-capitalists as an arriviste.
Can't have these upstarts joining our exclusive club, now can we?
I doubt other capitalists view him as an arriviste or new money they probably think he's a c*** just like you and me.
Indeed, it's nothing about being an arriviste and everything about being an absolute thundercunt.
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Yeah, I don't think you'd need to be a capitalist to think that he's a complete twat. There's stories and pictures on the net this week of him smiling and pulling out a huge bundle of cash at the security point in one of the warehouses, where he was paying people below minimum wage, to repeat, twa
Saw that, huge wad of fifties, stay classy Ashley.
Would genuinely like to know what it is you like about the bloke John, unless it was sarcasm that dodged my radar.
I wouldn't say I liked him but don't dislike the guy to the same extent as others
I genuinely thought he came over quite well in his mp's grilling and said he would do stuff and has
He's a very rich man, I don't think he was born with a silver spoon so I would have some respect for his business acumen also, I'm not a jealous type so other people's success doesn't bother me
he probably turned up to one of his sites in a flash car as well that's what rich blokes do, the money was a search on a security check maybe a little thoughtless but that's about it
I sometimes do swim against the tide of popular opinoin on here,
I remember I was in a minority of one when I said something similar about Dave Whelan, i was getting pelters for that, but that's fair do's,
I also have a bit more time for Randy than most
I even like Brad Guzan ffs
so don't mind me,
I've been on here over 10 years now and have had only one rule and that is just be honest with what you post whether people like it or not, that way you can never be caught out
although I admit I have been wrong about a fair bit of stuff over years but you just have to hold your hands up to it
So that's its James it's the best I can do I'm afraid
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Dr. Tony Xia
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Dr. Tony Xia @Dr_TonyXia
We'll keep eyes on this and reply with solution later. @VillansHo @retsub12
Wardy @ward1410
@Dr_TonyXia JV life membership is a joke 3 seasons now and no birthday card for my son due to data issues reference wrong age been imputed
.....oh no! Disaster!
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Some of the things he gets tweeted about are ridiculous.
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Some of the things he gets tweeted about are ridiculous.
There's an awful lot of people hoping for free tickets etc, bit like when the General was on here.
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Barring the odd comment I've enjoyed the guy so far and have to say when he came on the pitch before the Rotherham game it was just amazing, thought the roof was going to come off, atmosphere was amazing. Almost a shock not to see him the team photo he's been such a presence so far.
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Good old Edvard
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"Stay safe tomorrow Villa fans. Police warned club NFFC different to others. These men live in forest and may steal food."
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Some of the things he gets tweeted about are ridiculous.
There's an awful lot of people hoping for free tickets etc, bit like when the General was on here.
The worrying thing is that when you get club officials/employees interacting directly with supporters, a few end up thinking they're in some way special/influential and the first time the club does something they don't agree with They Don't Listen To Us.
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I saw one tweet to him after we lost to Bristol City complaining that he hadn't replied to this one chaps 'many' tweets.
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It is getting beyond a joke now - every man and his dog tweeting Tony because their kids shirt didnt arrive on time. Ring the shop and sort it out with them stop dragging the owner into the weeds and let him concentrate on strategic matters.
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This is exactly why he's on Twitter. To be available, in touch, visible, transparent. When he bought the club people had no idea who he was and wanted answers. The club had become as disengaged with the fans as it was possible to get. Now he's rebuilding bridges.
Our Tone is no fool. He's not personally sorting out tickets and shirt orders for fans. He's showing that the club listens to fans. It's good, free PR and it takes a few minutes each day.
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Some of the things he gets tweeted about are ridiculous.
He never answered my Tweet about why we don't enter the Birmingham Senior Cup though.
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This is exactly why he's on Twitter. To be available, in touch, visible, transparent. When he bought the club people had no idea who he was and wanted answers. The club had become as disengaged with the fans as it was possible to get. Now he's rebuilding bridges.
Our Tone is no fool. He's not personally sorting out tickets and shirt orders for fans. He's showing that the club listens to fans. It's good, free PR and it takes a few minutes each day. This.
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Our Tone's banging on about his prehistoric force again.
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I rang the ticket office at the start of the season and asked them to send me a cup scheme form. It still hasn't arrived. I'm absolutely livid because I don't use Twitter so I've got no idea how I can chase this up
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Looks like RDM doesn't have long judging by his latest tweet......
Dr. Tony Xia (@Dr_TonyXia)
11/09/2016, 18:28
Unlucky could be excuse once , not be twice,third times... I would never forgive myself when I make the same mistake twitter.com/longbridgelion…
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Looks like RDM doesn't have long judging by his latest tweet......
Dr. Tony Xia (@Dr_TonyXia)
11/09/2016, 18:28
Unlucky could be excuse once , not be twice,third times... I would never forgive myself when I make the same mistake twitter.com/longbridgelion…
No it dosen't at all. What brought you to that conclusion?
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Dr. Tony Xia (@Dr_TonyXia)
11/09/2016, 18:28
You once , twice,third times a lady. I would never forgive myself twitter.com/
Is what he really wrote.
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Looks like RDM doesn't have long judging by his latest tweet......
Dr. Tony Xia (@Dr_TonyXia)
11/09/2016, 18:28
Unlucky could be excuse once , not be twice,third times... I would never forgive myself when I make the same mistake twitter.com/longbridgelion…
No it dosen't at all. What brought you to that conclusion?
in fairness you could read it that way without trying really hard
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Looks like RDM doesn't have long judging by his latest tweet......
Dr. Tony Xia (@Dr_TonyXia)
11/09/2016, 18:28
Unlucky could be excuse once , not be twice,third times... I would never forgive myself when I make the same mistake twitter.com/longbridgelion…
No it dosen't at all. What brought you to that conclusion?
I can't see how you could read that he's anything but very unhappy. I posed the question in the match thread as to whether Dr Tony is a patient man or not. I think he'll be towards the impatient end of the scale, personally. I hope we start to get it right before we find out.
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Reads to me that it's aimed at the players not taking thier numerous chances and killing the game off (again)
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We battered Forest today. Freak result.
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Yes, there's no such thing as luck, the same mistakes keep getting repeated. He hasn't spent £40m to be picking up a point a game and be below Burton Albion who have probably spent about 40p. They're not doing their jobs to a sufficiently high standard and need to pull their fingers out of their arses and stop making excuses and start getting wins. It's not unlucky when you miss sitters and hit the post.
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Could be just reference to us twice hitting the woodwork. We need to tighten up defensively but going forward there seems to be enough of a threat to suggest that as the season goes on, we'll start to click and start getting up the table.
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We battered Forest today. Freak result.
The most accurate match summary. It still made me want to kick the tv
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Could be just reference to us twice hitting the woodwork. We need to tighten up defensively but going forward there seems to be enough of a threat to suggest that as the season goes on, we'll start to click and start getting up the table.
it could be anything
we can all have our differing views on the way we see it
but its still not out of the question that it might aimed at RDM
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Yes, there's no such thing as luck, the same mistakes keep getting repeated. He hasn't spent £40m to be picking up a point a game and be below Burton Albion who have probably spent about 40p. They're not doing their jobs to a sufficiently high standard and need to pull their fingers out of their arses and stop making excuses and start getting wins. It's not unlucky when you miss sitters and hit the post.
Hitting the post is kind of unlucky....
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I really don't want Dr Tony to be too hasty. We're developing and the fact we dominated for 90 minutes today showed that. RDM needs time.
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Looks like RDM doesn't have long judging by his latest tweet......
Dr. Tony Xia (@Dr_TonyXia)
11/09/2016, 18:28
Unlucky could be excuse once , not be twice,third times... I would never forgive myself when I make the same mistake twitter.com/longbridgelion…
No it dosen't at all. What brought you to that conclusion?
I can't see how you could read that he's anything but very unhappy. I posed the question in the match thread as to whether Dr Tony is a patient man or not. I think he'll be towards the impatient end of the scale, personally. I hope we start to get it right before we find out.
That's the only way I see it, too.
I hope he isn't gearing up to do something stupid, I really do.
The manager being under pressure at this point would be the stuff of that Leeds United mentalist.
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Looks like RDM doesn't have long judging by his latest tweet......
Dr. Tony Xia (@Dr_TonyXia)
11/09/2016, 18:28
Unlucky could be excuse once , not be twice,third times... I would never forgive myself when I make the same mistake twitter.com/longbridgelion…
No it dosen't at all. What brought you to that conclusion?
I can't see how you could read that he's anything but very unhappy. I posed the question in the match thread as to whether Dr Tony is a patient man or not. I think he'll be towards the impatient end of the scale, personally. I hope we start to get it right before we find out.
That's the only way I see it, too.
I hope he isn't gearing up to do something stupid, I really do.
The manager being under pressure at this point would be the stuff of that Leeds United mentalist.
Indeed.
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If we aren't top six by Christmas he will be a goner.
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Looks like RDM doesn't have long judging by his latest tweet......
Dr. Tony Xia (@Dr_TonyXia)
11/09/2016, 18:28
Unlucky could be excuse once , not be twice,third times... I would never forgive myself when I make the same mistake twitter.com/longbridgelion…
No it dosen't at all. What brought you to that conclusion?
I can't see how you could read that he's anything but very unhappy. I posed the question in the match thread as to whether Dr Tony is a patient man or not. I think he'll be towards the impatient end of the scale, personally. I hope we start to get it right before we find out.
That's the only way I see it, too.
I hope he isn't gearing up to do something stupid, I really do.
The manager being under pressure at this point would be the stuff of that Leeds United mentalist.
I think it's Dusty Bin again.
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Yes, there's no such thing as luck, the same mistakes keep getting repeated. He hasn't spent £40m to be picking up a point a game and be below Burton Albion who have probably spent about 40p. They're not doing their jobs to a sufficiently high standard and need to pull their fingers out of their arses and stop making excuses and start getting wins. It's not unlucky when you miss sitters and hit the post.
Hitting the post is kind of unlucky....
It's not, it's an inaccurate shot.
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Looks like RDM doesn't have long judging by his latest tweet......
Dr. Tony Xia (@Dr_TonyXia)
11/09/2016, 18:28
Unlucky could be excuse once , not be twice,third times... I would never forgive myself when I make the same mistake twitter.com/longbridgelion…
No it dosen't at all. What brought you to that conclusion?
I can't see how you could read that he's anything but very unhappy. I posed the question in the match thread as to whether Dr Tony is a patient man or not. I think he'll be towards the impatient end of the scale, personally. I hope we start to get it right before we find out.
That's the only way I see it, too.
I hope he isn't gearing up to do something stupid, I really do.
The manager being under pressure at this point would be the stuff of that Leeds United mentalist.
Indeed.
RDM is the right man for the job IMO however Dr Tony may well be reminding him that he needs to prove he is the right man week in week out.
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Looks like RDM doesn't have long judging by his latest tweet......
Dr. Tony Xia (@Dr_TonyXia)
11/09/2016, 18:28
Unlucky could be excuse once , not be twice,third times... I would never forgive myself when I make the same mistake twitter.com/longbridgelion…
No it dosen't at all. What brought you to that conclusion?
I can't see how you could read that he's anything but very unhappy. I posed the question in the match thread as to whether Dr Tony is a patient man or not. I think he'll be towards the impatient end of the scale, personally. I hope we start to get it right before we find out.
That's the only way I see it, too.
I hope he isn't gearing up to do something stupid, I really do.
The manager being under pressure at this point would be the stuff of that Leeds United mentalist.
Indeed.
RDM is the right man for the job IMO however Dr Tony may well be reminding him that he needs to prove he is the right man week in week out.
Good. I'm still very skeptical of RDM. I approved of his appointment, but he has shown me nothing. Maybe Tony's tweet is in regards to playing Gardner. ::)
Seriously though.. get that kid off.
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Hitting the post is kind of unlucky....
It's not, it's an inaccurate shot.
So if someone hits the post, and the ball ends up in the net - is it still an inaccurate shot? Or just a lucky shot?
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Hitting the post is kind of unlucky....
It's not, it's an inaccurate shot.
So if someone hits the post, and the ball ends up in the net - is it still an inaccurate shot? Or just a lucky shot?
It's an accurate shot.
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And if it hits the post and then bounces off the back of the keeper and goes in?
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And if it hits the post and then bounces off the back of the keeper and goes in?
A bit lucky, and an own goal.
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Huddersfields goal was fucking lucky.
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what about if you shin the ball and it goes in of the post
I think we scored one like that once a long time ago
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Looks like RDM doesn't have long judging by his latest tweet......
Dr. Tony Xia (@Dr_TonyXia)
11/09/2016, 18:28
Unlucky could be excuse once , not be twice,third times... I would never forgive myself when I make the same mistake twitter.com/longbridgelion…
No it dosen't at all. What brought you to that conclusion?
I can't see how you could read that he's anything but very unhappy. I posed the question in the match thread as to whether Dr Tony is a patient man or not. I think he'll be towards the impatient end of the scale, personally. I hope we start to get it right before we find out.
That's the only way I see it, too.
I hope he isn't gearing up to do something stupid, I really do.
The manager being under pressure at this point would be the stuff of that Leeds United mentalist.
Indeed.
RDM is the right man for the job IMO however Dr Tony may well be reminding him that he needs to prove he is the right man week in week out.
If that is what he's doing it's idiotic. Week in, week out doesn't really matter. It's where we are come the end of the season that matters. RDM needs some time and space, as I feel we're moving in the right direction.
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And if it hits the post and then bounces off the back of the keeper and goes in?
Bad keeping?
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So Ayew's shot against the bar was inaccurate and thus poor
Whereas when bacuna miskicked the ball into his own face and in against west brom that was good because it was on target?
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So Ayew's shot against the bar was inaccurate and thus poor
Whereas when bacuna miskicked the ball into his own face and in against west brom that was good because it was on target?
Yep.
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One shot led to one point, one face hit to 3.
Our greatest ever goal was shinned in. Results count, nothing else does.
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We have been terribly unlucky so far. Sorry but we have. With a small amount of luck going our way we would be 4 points at least better off.
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We have been terribly unlucky so far. Sorry but we have. With a small amount of luck going our way we would be 4 points at least better off.
Shore up the midfield at 2-1 up rather than leave 4 forwards on and you make your own luck RDM has cost of points with his (lack of) tactics
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The luck will even itself out which is why I feel pretty confident. On another day we would have been home and dry even if we had conceded a 2nd goal.
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We have been terribly unlucky so far. Sorry but we have. With a small amount of luck going our way we would be 4 points at least better off.
Shore up the midfield at 2-1 up rather than leave 4 forwards on and you make your own luck RDM has cost of points with his (lack of) tactics
Yes he messed up there however it was RDM who by bringing on Gestede caused enough panic in Forest defence to give us two quick goals.
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I get the idea that luck doesn't exist and I think it's partly true, good luck doesn't happen very often in football. Bad luck however happens far more regularly. Their guy who went off injured had bad luck, it was a nothing challenge that you run off 99 times in a hundred. Gollini going off after being kicked in the chest coming for a ball he didn't need to worry about (because it was already offside) was bad luck (although on that subject if you're late and catch someone like that anywhere else on the pitch it's a booking so not sure why there wasn't a talking to at least). I think Ayew getting a yellow today is very unlucky because you'd expect the ref to book their player who walked away from the throw in to clearly waste time.
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Huddersfields goal was fucking lucky.
No it was sheer incompetence by Gollini.
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That game should have been shut out at 2-1. That's not luck, it's naive management. I absolutely hated it, but had the role been reversed, you can bet your life they'd have been up to all sorts to close the game down and seal the win. I don't approve of it but we need to find a nasty streak.
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what about if you shin the ball and it goes in of the post
I think we scored one like that once a long time ago
No that was superb play all around to carve open opposition defence and they were nearly lucky that out forward made an imprecise final contact.
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Huddersfields goal was fucking lucky.
No it was sheer incompetence by Gollini.
If memory serves, he made a number of very fine saves. We should have been out of site before his blunder
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Altogether now... My old man...
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I think there's a quality goalkeeper in Gollini. Look at how De Gea started his Man United career and what he's become since. It may be exaggerating the point to compare those two but I think there may well be parallels there.
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I think there's a quality goalkeeper in Gollini. Look at how De Gea started his Man United career and what he's become since. It may be exaggerating the point to compare those two but I think there may well be parallels there.
Plus, he's 21 and been with us for all of 5 minutes.
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Huddersfields goal was fucking lucky.
No it was sheer incompetence by Gollini.
If memory serves, he made a number of very fine saves. We should have been out of site before his blunder
It was poor, but not incompetent. He connects well enough, and again, 9 times out of 10 it goes anywhere but in the goal.
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Well if Dr. Tony is impatient, let us appreciate the difference in being impatient and acting accordingly after a given amount of time, we cannot have it both ways, if RDM cocks up shall we give him a contract extension, been down that road have we not.
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Well if Dr. Tony is impatient, let us appreciate the difference in being impatient and acting accordingly after a given amount of time, we cannot have it both ways, if RDM cocks up shall we give him a contract extension, been down that road have we not.
It depends on what you call a given amount of time.
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I think you have to give RDM until Christmas before judging him. The loss off Jedinak and Tshibola has hurt in the last few, and Adomah will bring us much more balance too.
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I'd personally give him the whole season. People forget what a shambles of a team we were a few months ago.
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I think it's easily forgotten Clampy. The way we are paying I can see us staying to take chances and start winning 8/9 games in ten at since point this season. I think we will end up in the play offs come May, but no one will fancy playing us. At the moment is very frustrating but we are creating so many chances that it will turn into wins soon.
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Yes, there's no such thing as luck, the same mistakes keep getting repeated. He hasn't spent £40m to be picking up a point a game and be below Burton Albion who have probably spent about 40p. They're not doing their jobs to a sufficiently high standard and need to pull their fingers out of their arses and stop making excuses and start getting wins. It's not unlucky when you miss sitters and hit the post.
Hitting the post is kind of unlucky....
It's not, it's an inaccurate shot.
Particularly the one that was an open goal from three yards.
Missing that one is definitely poor finishing rather than bad luck.
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I'd personally give him the whole season. People forget what a shambles of a team we were a few months ago.
I can already see an improvement, as Villa fans we've had a tough few years I think people have a habit of focusing on the negatives
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I'd personally give him the whole season. People forget what a shambles of a team we were a few months ago.
I agree. It's nice to see some good football again. It's been an absolute rarity over the last few years.
I like Di Matteo a lot. I've had nothing but mainly negative feelings for every manager since O'Neil fucked off.
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I'd personally give him the whole season. People forget what a shambles of a team we were a few months ago.
I agree. It's nice to see some good football again. It's been an absolute rarity over the last few years.
I like Di Matteo a lot. I've had nothing but mainly negative feelings for every manager since O'Neil fucked off.
Agree. The re-builing job of this club, not just the playimg squad, has been massive - top to bottom.
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Agree with all the points above about time. Anyone who expects to go up automatically this season has wilfully forgotten the last five years of disintegration.
We're putting together an entirely new team, it's far from the finished article (Westwood is still in it, ffs), and will take time to get right. Let's not be impatient and be thankful that we're on the right track.
It's frustrating, but I think it will take a minor miracle for us to go up this season.
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We're putting together an entirely new team, it's far from the finished article (Westwood is still in it, ffs), and will take time to get right. Let's not be impatient and be thankful that we're on the right track.
It's frustrating, but I think it will take a minor miracle for us to go up this season.
We've spent over £50m on new players, bringing in a mixture of the best players in the league and players who have previously been good enough to win this league.
We've brought in fewer new players than Newcastle, presumably it won't take a minor miracle for them to go up?
I wouldn't go as far as to say that not going up this season would be a failure, but if we don't then somebody won't have done the job that they should have.
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There's a long way to go before the stench of defeat gets cleansed from Villa Park and it will take time. I have faith in RDM and Dr T. And also the players.
I think we need a bit of luck to kick start things.
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As we discovered last season, you can buy a shitload of new players, but you won't necessarily have a team. How much we've spent is irrelevant at this point. What counts is how long it takes for those players to gel, and for us to become a robust outfit that won't crumble at the slightest suggestion of pressure. It's taking time, and it will take more time. But I think we're on the right track.
RDM likened his task to knocking down and rebuilding a house. I agree. It takes time to build a really good house, no matter how expensive the bricks are.
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We're putting together an entirely new team, it's far from the finished article (Westwood is still in it, ffs), and will take time to get right. Let's not be impatient and be thankful that we're on the right track.
It's frustrating, but I think it will take a minor miracle for us to go up this season.
We've spent over £50m on new players, bringing in a mixture of the best players in the league and players who have previously been good enough to win this league.
We've brought in fewer new players than Newcastle, presumably it won't take a minor miracle for them to go up?
I wouldn't go as far as to say that not going up this season would be a failure, but if we don't then somebody won't have done the job that they should have.
Exactly. It may be comforting to adopt the reverse psychology 'going up would be a miracle' but man for man we undoubtedly have one of the best and most experienced squads in the league. We are already playing pretty well, so whilst of course a team needs time to fully gel that shouldn't really be an excuse. I also don't really buy the almost entirely different team, with different manager and different league has been shit for the last 5 years so this new team will be shit too excuse.
It's a competitive league and going up would be a decent achievement, but really with the team and resources we have we should be expecting promotion.
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I wonder whether Xia will be as prepared as some of us to give the manager a season to get this team organised? he doesn't strike me as a patient fella.
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Sounds like we'll batter somebody soon
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We've just bought almost an entire new team. It's ridiculous to even think about the manager's future now.
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I'm pissed off that our manager couldn't see something so basic as to put an extra man in midfield to protect our lead so god knows what our chairman feels. He shouldn't be tweeting it though (if that was his point).
If you straight hit the post and it doesn't go in that simply isn't unlucky, it's inaccurate. I'm not sure how that can be argued. Deflections, bobbles etc are different obviously.
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I'm pissed off that our manager couldn't see something so basic as to put an extra man in midfield to protect our lead so god knows what our chairman feels. He shouldn't be tweeting it though (if that was his point).
If you straight hit the post and it doesn't go in that simply isn't unlucky, it's inaccurate. I'm not sure how that can be argued. Deflections, bobbles etc are different obviously.
he did see it. Jedinak was stripped and ready to come on when Forest got their equaliser. 2 minutes too late maybe
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I'm pissed off that our manager couldn't see something so basic as to put an extra man in midfield to protect our lead so god knows what our chairman feels. He shouldn't be tweeting it though (if that was his point).
If you straight hit the post and it doesn't go in that simply isn't unlucky, it's inaccurate. I'm not sure how that can be argued. Deflections, bobbles etc are different obviously.
Why have people got a bee in their bonnet over the phrase unlucky. A shot from 25 yards missing it's target by 5 cm is of course strictly inaccurate, but it is also a little unfortunate. Unlucky if you will. We certainly haven't had the rub of the green or the results out performances have deserved in my opinion. Of course if you prefer to take a more accountant like 'black & white' view, then there is arguably rarely any luck in a game. Forest scored twice and so did we - fair result? I don't buy it, but it is your prerogative to think that way.
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I'm pissed off that our manager couldn't see something so basic as to put an extra man in midfield to protect our lead so god knows what our chairman feels. He shouldn't be tweeting it though (if that was his point).
If you straight hit the post and it doesn't go in that simply isn't unlucky, it's inaccurate. I'm not sure how that can be argued. Deflections, bobbles etc are different obviously.
he did see it. Jedinak was stripped and ready to come on when Forest got their equaliser. 2 minutes too late maybe
Gestede scored on 74 minutes. They equalised on 87. It took him 13 minutes to realise that they would come at us full hammer and we were wide open in midfield.
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I really like RDM and I hope he's very successful for us, and is around for years to come. But yesterday was a cock up, no two ways about it, and people in the match thread were calling for him to tighten up the midfield. There's a long way to go yet of course, but if we don't start getting a proper run together soon we'll have it left too late for this season I reckon.
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I really like RDM and I hope he's very successful for us, and is around for years to come. But yesterday was a cock up, no two ways about it, and people in the match thread were calling for him to tighten up the midfield. There's a long way to go yet of course, but if we don't start getting a proper run together soon we'll have it left too late for this season I reckon.
A late surge can always get you in the playoffs, but you're right we need to start going on a run, it's clear to me that we are improving, Jedinak and tsibola will make a difference
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Thing is we are Villa, we can never just go on an early season run and cap it off in style around April time to see us promoted. No, we have to stutter to 17th place, lose 12 points from our opening 18, have a shaky midfield and defence and then pile pressure on ourselves to go on panic stricken unbeaten run to scrape into the play offs or at least be sweating between 7th and 6th going into the last game of the season.
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I really like RDM and I hope he's very successful for us, and is around for years to come. But yesterday was a cock up, no two ways about it, and people in the match thread were calling for him to tighten up the midfield. There's a long way to go yet of course, but if we don't start getting a proper run together soon we'll have it left too late for this season I reckon.
I think by October we have to be at the edge of the playoff positions of not in them. Newcastle will have too much in the end especially given their start and current momentum. We have too much about us going forward not to be in the running and our quality will start to come through up front. What have to be is disciplined though in seeing out games. Do that we will be fine. But as usual right now, and I was saying it before, we are our own biggest enemy. Stop that most of the teams in this division won't be able to compete with us.
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Huddersfields goal was fucking lucky.
No it was sheer incompetence by Gollini.
Can't agree with you, if you replay that scenario 99 out of 100 times that would have ended up somewhere other than our net he was given no choice but to come out and clear the ball for it to ricochet off the huddersfield player on the full into our net was just pure fluke. Ok he was at fault for the Sheff Weds goal but Huddersfield was just unlucky.
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I'm pissed off that our manager couldn't see something so basic as to put an extra man in midfield to protect our lead so god knows what our chairman feels. He shouldn't be tweeting it though (if that was his point).
If you straight hit the post and it doesn't go in that simply isn't unlucky, it's inaccurate. I'm not sure how that can be argued. Deflections, bobbles etc are different obviously.
he did see it. Jedinak was stripped and ready to come on when Forest got their equaliser. 2 minutes too late maybe
Gestede scored on 74 minutes. They equalised on 87. It took him 13 minutes to realise that they would come at us full hammer and we were wide open in midfield.
takes a while for Jedinak to get those old legs warmed up :-)
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I'm pissed off that our manager couldn't see something so basic as to put an extra man in midfield to protect our lead so god knows what our chairman feels.
But there is an alternative view that we were playing well and had five goalscorers on the field and a third goal shouldn't have been too hard to find, a deserved thumping win could have done wonders for confidence.
I would have bought on Jedianak for McCormack straight after our second and hindsight would have proved me right but I'm not going to be too hard on RDM for being far braver and more positive.
I'm still pretty optimistic about the season, the only side I've seen who I've been impressed with are Brighton and that seemed to be a one off. We'll be OK.
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I'm pissed off that our manager couldn't see something so basic as to put an extra man in midfield to protect our lead so god knows what our chairman feels.
But there is an alternative view that we were playing well and had five goalscorers on the field and a third goal shouldn't have been too hard to find, a deserved thumping win could have done wonders for confidence.
I would have bought on Jedianak for McCormack straight after our second and hindsight would have proved me right but I'm not going to be too hard on RDM for being far braver and more positive.
I'm still pretty optimistic about the season, the only side I've seen who I've been impressed with are Brighton and that seemed to be a one off. We'll be OK.
Exactly. If he'd brought Jedinak on and then they'd equalised, we'd have criticised him for not keeping the team out who'd just turned things around. Sometimes these gambles pay off, sometimes they don't. Only hindsight lets you call it 100% right.
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I'm pissed off that our manager couldn't see something so basic as to put an extra man in midfield to protect our lead so god knows what our chairman feels. He shouldn't be tweeting it though (if that was his point).
If you straight hit the post and it doesn't go in that simply isn't unlucky, it's inaccurate. I'm not sure how that can be argued. Deflections, bobbles etc are different obviously.
he did see it. Jedinak was stripped and ready to come on when Forest got their equaliser. 2 minutes too late maybe
Gestede scored on 74 minutes. They equalised on 87. It took him 13 minutes to realise that they would come at us full hammer and we were wide open in midfield.
I disagreee, for 5-10 mins after Gestede's goal we continued to hammer them and a couple more chances, then I think it dawned on him to tighten up maybe only a couple of minutes too late. He was right to leave it as it was as we were so on top a third looked likely.
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I'd agree with that. After 2 quick goals with them on the ropes giving it 10 minutes to see if we could finish it was the right decision. The issue was he needed to make the change when there was the little ruckus just before the goal. That fired a couple of them up so a sub to take the sting out it slightly would've been the right move but it might be that the officials didn't let him make the change.
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Yeah I think the bigger problem was that we just didn't take enough chances. Think we'd had enough good ones to have not been worrying about having to fight back. I do think we need more protection in midfield but don't know if I'd say that was our downfall yesterday.
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Huddersfields goal was fucking lucky.
No it was sheer incompetence by Gollini.
Can't agree with you, if you replay that scenario 99 out of 100 times that would have ended up somewhere other than our net he was given no choice but to come out and clear the ball for it to ricochet off the huddersfield player on the full into our net was just pure fluke. Ok he was at fault for the Sheff Weds goal but Huddersfield was just unlucky.
Well we will have to disagree. He did not deal with the ball properly in that situation and took a chance with his action that could result in the way it did and that therefore is not competent play. There was a safe and sound way to deal with that situation and he did not do that.
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just seen on twitter that Gabby plays for the U23's tonight vs Fulham....
UTV
The Doc
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Gestede scored on 74 minutes. They equalised on 87. It took him 13 minutes to realise that they would come at us full hammer and we were wide open in midfield.
No I think he realised that around 80th minute as Forest had nothing to lose and started attacking us. That's when our midfield was weak. Jedi was called in from his warm ups to get ready but it took them too long to bring him to the touchline. I was crying out for a midfielder to come on and kept staring at the dugout and Jedi was stood there talking to coaching staff.... for an eternity.
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They didn't even really attack us. One cross that went out for a throw in and a few corners.
They're a piss poor side.
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Huddersfields goal was fucking lucky.
No it was sheer incompetence by Gollini.
Can't agree with you, if you replay that scenario 99 out of 100 times that would have ended up somewhere other than our net he was given no choice but to come out and clear the ball for it to ricochet off the huddersfield player on the full into our net was just pure fluke. Ok he was at fault for the Sheff Weds goal but Huddersfield was just unlucky.
If anything, Gollini hit it too well! We would have had more joy if he had shanked it in to the stand! I can't fault him for that goal. Their goal celebration, though?! What the fuck? And then Forest celebrated like they had won the World Cup at 2-2 yesterday. I guess I'll need to get used to that this season.
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They didn't even really attack us. One cross that went out for a throw in and a few corners.
They're a piss poor side.
agreed, I think we will see a lot of games like that this season, where the opposition doesn't look to great but still manage to cause us trouble with the little bit of attacking they do
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Dr Tony just tweeted: 'I completed signing a contract of 4.2B deal yesterday, but the draw result took away all the joys. Still struggling with the disappointment.' He certainly wears his heart on his sleeve and I get the impression that he isn't going to be the most patient of owners. RDM won't have all the time in the world to turn us around....
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Apparently the disappointment of yesterday's result has taken the gloss off a 4.2bn deal the Dr signed today. He didn't specify what currency - I'm going for Turkish Lira
edit - posted 20 seconds after Paul.....
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4.2 billion? Has he sold Agbonlahor 8.4 billion times?
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Apparently the disappointment of yesterday's result has taken the gloss off a 4.2bn deal the Dr signed today. He didn't specify what currency - I'm going for Turkish Lira
I would assume he was talking in USD so based on that price and the fact he mentioned in the summer it was a logistics deal, it would be very close to FedEx’s $4.8 billion takeover for TNT. Massive. I'm sure it will be reported in the next 24 hours.
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4.2 billion? Has he sold Agbonlahor 8.4 billion times?
sold him by the ounce?
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So he just pops hole for a few days to sign a 4bn deal but still thinks about the Villa! Unreal 🤔
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So he just pops hole for a few days to sign a 4bn deal but still thinks about the Villa! Unreal 🤔
I always think about Villa when I pop hole - makes me last longer ;)
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4.2 billion? Has he sold Agbonlahor 8.4 billion times?
Gabby=Saffron😟
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I would think it's 4.2 billion yuan. A yuan is about 11p so just over 400 million pounds. Still, a few Bob...
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He has just whipped a Small Heath fans ass.
Dr. Tony Xia
Dr. Tony Xia @Dr_TonyXia
TBH,we didn't spend one penny parachute payment on transfers.
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Dr. Tony Xia
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Dr. Tony Xia @Dr_TonyXia
TBH,we didn't spend one penny parachute payment on transfers. (link: https://twitter.com/tilton74/status/775376281970024448) twitter.com/tilton74/statu…
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I'm pissed off that our manager couldn't see something so basic as to put an extra man in midfield to protect our lead so god knows what our chairman feels. He shouldn't be tweeting it though (if that was his point).
If you straight hit the post and it doesn't go in that simply isn't unlucky, it's inaccurate. I'm not sure how that can be argued. Deflections, bobbles etc are different obviously.
Why have people got a bee in their bonnet over the phrase unlucky. A shot from 25 yards missing it's target by 5 cm is of course strictly inaccurate, but it is also a little unfortunate. Unlucky if you will. We certainly haven't had the rub of the green or the results out performances have deserved in my opinion. Of course if you prefer to take a more accountant like 'black & white' view, then there is arguably rarely any luck in a game. Forest scored twice and so did we - fair result? I don't buy it, but it is your prerogative to think that way.
We also have a very different opinion on what consists of actually having 'a bee in their bonnet' as I far from have one. I also made no opinion on whether the result was fair or not so you have no idea what way I think. The result was very clearly a lucky onw for Forrest as we created much more and dominated the game. That has no sway on whether I think that a shot that hits the post and out is unlucky.
Release the bee.
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I'm pissed off that our manager couldn't see something so basic as to put an extra man in midfield to protect our lead so god knows what our chairman feels.
But there is an alternative view that we were playing well and had five goalscorers on the field and a third goal shouldn't have been too hard to find, a deserved thumping win could have done wonders for confidence.
I would have bought on Jedianak for McCormack straight after our second and hindsight would have proved me right but I'm not going to be too hard on RDM for being far braver and more positive.
I'm still pretty optimistic about the season, the only side I've seen who I've been impressed with are Brighton and that seemed to be a one off. We'll be OK.
I think a lot of managers wouldn't have been so naive and therefore hindsight shouldn't really be needed, unless you're Sherwood against Leicester. Especially with our fragility holding on to leads. I don't dislike RDM I just think he got that really wrong.
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Perhaps although I felt we were far superior to Forest than we were to Leicester last year.
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4.2B you say? (https://www.consumer.org.nz/products/hair-straighteners/ghd-iv-styler-4-2b)
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4.2B you say? (https://www.consumer.org.nz/products/hair-straighteners/ghd-iv-styler-4-2b)
Well at least that's straightened that out
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He mentioned a large deal he was hoping to complete before the takeover was finalised. He said the purchase of Villa was relatively small compared to a deal he was working on. Sounds like we haven't needed the parachute money!
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Dr. Tony Xia
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Dr. Tony Xia @Dr_TonyXia
TBH,we didn't spend one penny parachute payment on transfers. (link: https://twitter.com/tilton74/status/775376281970024448) twitter.com/tilton74/statu…
He pwned a Blues fan with that tweet. Good going!
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Dr. Tony Xia
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Dr. Tony Xia @Dr_TonyXia
TBH,we didn't spend one penny parachute payment on transfers. (link: https://twitter.com/tilton74/status/775376281970024448) twitter.com/tilton74/statu…
He pwned a Blues fan with that tweet. Good going!
Indeed but let's hope he hasn't pwned the club. The money has to come from some where and very few are willing to give it at interest free loans but I guess we'll just have to wait until we find out exactly who is Dr Tony Xia, other than the best tweeting Chairman of of English football club.
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Dr. Tony Xia
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Dr. Tony Xia @Dr_TonyXia
TBH,we didn't spend one penny parachute payment on transfers. (link: https://twitter.com/tilton74/status/775376281970024448) twitter.com/tilton74/statu…
He pwned a Blues fan with that tweet. Good going!
'Sorry, that page doesn't exist'. What did the nose say?
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Whatever it said he's deleted it. 1-0.
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The nose was questioning his net worth I think and asking how he funded the transfer activity etc. They aren't obsessed though.
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Perhaps although I felt we were far superior to Forest than we were to Leicester last year.
I don't agree mate. 2 nil up at Leicester and coasting to a deserved victory. That was until Sherwood intervened with the worst case of "if it ain't broke don't fix it"
Still on to this season. I think it is only a matter of time till we go on a mad run and surge up the table. I can feel it in my water.
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anyone know when we last won two back to back league games ?
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anyone know when we last won two back to back league games ?
Everton and West Ham? May 2015
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anyone know when we last won two back to back league games ?
I'll ask my Dad he was around when Pongo Waring was leading the line.
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9th May 2015. Everton and West Ham back to back.
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anyone know when we last won two back to back league games ?
Everton and West Ham? May 2015
That's right. The points that just about kept us up.
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9th May 2015. Everton and West Ham back to back.
That's depressing.
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So would I be right in thinking that that's the only occurrence since the 10-from-12 at the start of that season? Once in 24 months now?
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Wesr brom and Sunderland perhaps March 2015 ?
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Palace and Leicester dec 2014 also comes to mind.
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anyone know when we last won two back to back league games ?
Everton and West Ham? May 2015
Thanks
I thought I'd ask before I started getting to excited about this long winning run we are going on that people are predicting
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Still on to this season. I think it is only a matter of time till we go on a mad run and surge up the table. I can feel it in my water.
It needs to happen quick. Newcastle could've hit double-figures last night, their 5th win on the bounce.
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"I have been worshipping the moon tonight and had a vision of Hou Yi aiming an arrow at RDM"
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Has Tone tweeted he's sacked him yet?
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Has Tone tweeted he's sacked him yet?
Big Tone hasn't tweeted anything yet. Can't wait to see what he says.
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I should imagine that the Birmingham Mail sports section are waiting for the Drs tweet about last night with baited breath!
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Has Tone tweeted he's sacked him yet?
Big Tone hasn't tweeted anything yet. Can't wait to see what he says.
They've probably had to sedate hm to calm him down after last night.
He'll have been shackled to a bed over night and this morning none of his aides will be prepared to go and unshackle him (like when Stalin died and nobody wanted to go near his body in case they got the blame)
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Dr. Tony Xia
Dr. Tony Xia @Dr_TonyXia
Tonight is moon festival which means family reunion&peace in China. My greeting to all Villa family members! #UTV
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Bad Moon Rising.
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That explains it. He's still hung over after a session of Tsing Tsao.
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Has Tone tweeted he's sacked him yet?
Big Tone hasn't tweeted anything yet. Can't wait to see what he says.
They've probably had to sedate hm to calm him down after last night.
He'll have been shackled to a bed over night and this morning none of his aides will be prepared to go and unshackle him (like when Stalin died and nobody wanted to go near his body in case they got the blame)
He now watches games from a padded cell wearing a gold lamé straight jacket and a crash helmet. The unlucky operative tasked with letting him out will be minus a face come noon.
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sooner or later, that sort of shit happens to the best of us. Man up Tony.
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He just needs a nice cup of jasmine tea.
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Dr. Tony Xia @Dr_TonyXia 12m12 minutes ago
Gutted throughout the whole day&night. 85-86-87-88th, improved or xxxx? I'd like listen to ur constructive suggestion!
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He is getting annoyed isn't he?
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He is getting annoyed isn't he?
Yep, we looked marginally second best against a club who we've probably spent more money this summer than their turnover in their entire history.
Second halves teams are making adjustments and we are not adjusting with it. It's real rookie stuff and things we've seen over and over the last 6 years.
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He is getting annoyed isn't he?
Time for him to pipe down and disappear into the sunset until at least Christmas as far as i'm concerned. I'd hoped the days of being a joke club were finally gone
Hopefully so
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He is getting annoyed isn't he?
Time for him to pipe down and disappear into the sunset until at least Christmas as far as i'm concerned. I'd hoped the days of being a joke club were finally gone
Hopefully so
RDM hasn't been sacked yet, so I'm afraid the joke persists to be on us.
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He shouldn't be sacked yet. A club sacking a new manager after 8 games with essentially a completely new team on the back of a disastrous few seasons would be a joke.
Again I'm not happy with results, but it is too early to sack the manager.
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"I have been worshipping the moon tonight and had a vision of Hou Yi aiming an arrow at RDM"
You know your Chinese mid-autumn festival history very well!
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Thing is, think how much of a kick in the gut it feels to us every time we throw it away needlessly each week. Then imagine having 120 million quid riding on it. I can understand it hurting him like hell.
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We need to give him another 4 games so we can say its been 12 disasters. Then, having wasted another 10 points and be even further behind, we can react and sack the buffoon.
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He just needs a nice cup of jasmine tea.
and a digestive biscuit
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He just needs a nice cup of jasmine tea.
and a digestive biscuit
More likely to be a Moon Cake today
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We need to give him another 4 games so we can say its been 12 disasters. Then, having wasted another 10 points and be even further behind, we can react and sack the buffoon.
Talk to me after 15 games, and if we're no higher than 10th i may start to worry (a tiny bit)
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He's tweeting again. It's a bit like reading lyrics by Slade or Prince
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Can't one of you Tweeters just ask him when he will sack RDM?
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Someone ask him what car he will be using to pick up our next manager please.
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He's tweeting again. It's a bit like reading lyrics by Slade or Prince
You think? He just tweeted this.. I love it tbh.
@Dr_TonyXia
Re: question whether my tweets give pressure to the team. To face any pressure & go through is a requirement to succeed. So I'll keep tweeting to fans.
I totally agree with him. The only people piling pressure on the squad is themselves. This isn't rocket science. If you can't handle the pressure than go play in a sunday league. Don't blame the fans, don't blame the owner.. we're chock full of veterans now who should be able to show some resolve and determination to go up. Excuses are for cowards. The pressure and the magnitude of aiming for promotion should be a motivating factor.. not one to make a bunch of grown men fold like lawn chairs.
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He's tweeting again. It's a bit like reading lyrics by Slade or Prince
You think? He just tweeted this.. I love it tbh.
@Dr_TonyXia
Re: question whether my tweets give pressure to the team. To face any pressure & go through is a requirement to succeed. So I'll keep tweeting to fans.
I totally agree with him. The only people piling pressure on the squad is themselves. This isn't rocket science. If you can't handle the pressure than go play in a sunday league. Don't blame the fans, don't blame the owner.. we're chock full of veterans now who should be able to show some resolve and determination to go up. Excuses are for cowards. The pressure and the magnitude of aiming for promotion should be a motivating factor.. not one to make a bunch of grown men fold like lawn chairs.
*Applause*
How dare the fans have a desire to beat Brentford or Luton, don't they know it's going to take years and tens of millions before we can play a competent 90 minutes against anyone.
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He's tweeting again. It's a bit like reading lyrics by Slade or Prince
You think? He just tweeted this.. I love it tbh.
@Dr_TonyXia
Re: question whether my tweets give pressure to the team. To face any pressure & go through is a requirement to succeed. So I'll keep tweeting to fans.
I totally agree with him. The only people piling pressure on the squad is themselves. This isn't rocket science. If you can't handle the pressure than go play in a sunday league. Don't blame the fans, don't blame the owner.. we're chock full of veterans now who should be able to show some resolve and determination to go up. Excuses are for cowards. The pressure and the magnitude of aiming for promotion should be a motivating factor.. not one to make a bunch of grown men fold like lawn chairs.
you haven't quoted him directly though have you?
" Re question whether my twts give pressure 2 the team. 2 face any pressure&go through is a requirement 2 succeed. So I'll keep tweeting 2fans"
That's what I was commenting on
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I agree. Even if the fans are hard on the players, it's nothing like how hard the players should be on themselves.
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He's tweeting again. It's a bit like reading lyrics by Slade or Prince
You think? He just tweeted this.. I love it tbh.
@Dr_TonyXia
Re: question whether my tweets give pressure to the team. To face any pressure & go through is a requirement to succeed. So I'll keep tweeting to fans.
I totally agree with him. The only people piling pressure on the squad is themselves. This isn't rocket science. If you can't handle the pressure than go play in a sunday league. Don't blame the fans, don't blame the owner.. we're chock full of veterans now who should be able to show some resolve and determination to go up. Excuses are for cowards. The pressure and the magnitude of aiming for promotion should be a motivating factor.. not one to make a bunch of grown men fold like lawn chairs.
you haven't quoted him directly though have you?
" Re question whether my twts give pressure 2 the team. 2 face any pressure&go through is a requirement 2 succeed. So I'll keep tweeting 2fans"
That's what I was commenting on
I tried my best to translate the internet slang for the sake of legibility.
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He's tweeting tactics now. How long before he sacks Parker and starts picking the team himself? Sorry but he's making me cringe
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hard on hard on
I'm 38 years old.
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I thought it was calling us twats.
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I'm loving his tweets .... !!
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McGrath tweets:
"It's not often I'm angry with Aston Villa but please lads earn yer wages "
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Why isn't God regularly angry with Aston Villa? He should be.
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He's tweeting again. It's a bit like reading lyrics by Slade or Prince
I still read each tweet as if it's a Mark E Smith tribute to Prince.
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He's tweeting tactics now. How long before he sacks Parker and starts picking the team himself? Sorry but he's making me cringe
I've said from the day he opened his Twitter account this wasn't going to end well. He'll become his own parody account.
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He's tweeting again. It's a bit like reading lyrics by Slade or Prince
You think? He just tweeted this.. I love it tbh.
@Dr_TonyXia
Re: question whether my tweets give pressure to the team. To face any pressure & go through is a requirement to succeed. So I'll keep tweeting to fans.
I totally agree with him. The only people piling pressure on the squad is themselves. This isn't rocket science. If you can't handle the pressure than go play in a sunday league. Don't blame the fans, don't blame the owner.. we're chock full of veterans now who should be able to show some resolve and determination to go up. Excuses are for cowards. The pressure and the magnitude of aiming for promotion should be a motivating factor.. not one to make a bunch of grown men fold like lawn chairs.
*Applause*
How dare the fans have a desire to beat Brentford or Luton, don't they know it's going to take years and tens of millions before we can play a competent 90 minutes against anyone.
I totally agree.
If the 'poor loves' can't handle the pressure of home league games early in the season, how the hell will they cope at the business end of the season whether that's a promotion push, a play off situation, or God forbid, a relegation battle.
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Why isn't God regularly angry with Aston Villa? He should be.
we should have taken him up on his offer of coaching the back 4
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Can't one of you Tweeters just ask him when he will sack RDM?
I think a few people already have.
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Can't one of you Tweeters just ask him when he will sack RDM?
I think a few people already have.
and he replied 'calm down numpties'
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Tony's tweets are the internet generation's equivalent of Mike Ashley sitting in the stands with the Toon Army. I can't see it ending well.
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Can't one of you Tweeters just ask him when he will sack RDM?
I think a few people already have.
and he replied 'calm down numpties'
LOL
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I agree. Even if the fans are hard on the players, it's nothing like how hard the players should be on themselves.
Exactly. They need to feel maximum stress in order to perform at high level. There was no stress last night.
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I still find it difficult to fathom that no matter how much or little we spend, whoever we have in charge, we still cannot seem to muster even a semblance of fight to hold onto say, a lead, or totally dominate a game. Meanwhile, team after team, no matter if it is Manure, Brentford, Huddersfield, Luton seem to turn up, be organised, battle and game manage. Just what is it about us.
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I still find it difficult to fathom that no matter how much or little we spend, whoever we have in charge, we still cannot seem to muster even a semblance of fight to hold onto say, a lead, or totally dominate a game. Meanwhile, team after team, no matter if it is Manure, Brentford, Huddersfield, Luton seem to turn up, be organised, battle and game manage. Just what is it about us.
Constant flux.
Permanent transition.
We will go up next season when defluxing has been accomplished.
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is defluxing where they stick a little umbrella down your pee hole?
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no it was a nightclub called Annabel's
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I still find it difficult to fathom that no matter how much or little we spend, whoever we have in charge, we still cannot seem to muster even a semblance of fight to hold onto say, a lead, or totally dominate a game. Meanwhile, team after team, no matter if it is Manure, Brentford, Huddersfield, Luton seem to turn up, be organised, battle and game manage. Just what is it about us.
Constant flux.
Permanent transition.
We will go up next season when defluxing has been accomplished.
We need to install a flux capacitor.
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I reckon he's aiming to achieve Philosophy Football shirt status:
(https://www.philosophyfootball.com/images/source/products_/products2015hires/Mao.jpg)
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I have a feeling the good Doctor will be having a busy timeline and won't be responding to all who Tweet him
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It will be interesting to see if he takes to Twitter to react to this.
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If it helps him, he can hire me for a few grand a week to type ''well that was shit'' on there every week.
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I think we ought to start grading our shit.
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I think we ought to start grading our shit.
Todays shit was some classic Sherwood throwing mud at the wall and hoping it sticks with some added Lambert boring, unadventurous play for the 0 shit. So very shit.
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I'd be worried if I was RDM, Tony is clearly taking to Twitter less. Makes me assume he is 'thinking' more
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I think we ought to start grading our shit.
Todays shit was some classic Sherwood throwing mud at the wall and hoping it sticks with some added Lambert boring, unadventurous play for the 0 shit. So very shit.
What makes you say that out of interest?
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Because he thought it was an accurate summation of our shiteness
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Ask a silly question.........
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I think we ought to start grading our shit.
Todays shit was some classic Sherwood throwing mud at the wall and hoping it sticks with some added Lambert boring, unadventurous play for the 0 shit. So very shit.
What makes you say that out of interest?
How would you describe today's performance Clampy?
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I think we ought to start grading our shit.
Todays shit was some classic Sherwood throwing mud at the wall and hoping it sticks with some added Lambert boring, unadventurous play for the 0 shit. So very shit.
What makes you say that out of interest?
I have to say, I've found myself thinking that a few times under RDM. Well, almost that, but I think of it more as like Lambert's stick five up front and hope for the best Bradford thing.
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He's been uncharacteristically quiet since the result today.
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He's been uncharacteristically quiet since the result today.
He has to be like a volcano ready to explode. Quiet before the storm comes to mind so it's probably for the best he takes a day or two to simmer down. He's more than capable of saying/tweeting something he might regret.
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I think we ought to start grading our shit.
Todays shit was some classic Sherwood throwing mud at the wall and hoping it sticks with some added Lambert boring, unadventurous play for the 0 shit. So very shit.
What makes you say that out of interest?
How would you describe today's performance Clampy?
I don't know. I havent seen it.
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Do we think Tone has been kidnapped, or just lost his phone down the back of the sofa?
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He's still locked in the rumpus room in his gold lamé leopard print straight jacket.
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This was a long holiday weekend in China so he was probably chilling at home - mid autumn festival tends to be spent with family, and his mom won't have allowed him on Twitter.
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I think if we pick up 6 points or less from the next 6 games he should pull the trigger.
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if we do that he'll probably blow his fucking brains out
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Looking at the fixtures, ironically I think the 6th game is the one we're most likely to win out of the six, Fulham at home. I'll make the prediction of 3 defeats and 2 draws before that game, and he'll be gone. Newcastle and Wolves at home certain defeats.
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Looking at the fixtures, ironically I think the 6th game is the one we're most likely to win out of the six, Fulham at home. I'll make the prediction of 3 defeats and 2 draws before that game, and he'll be gone. Newcastle and Wolves at home certain defeats.
I know they beat Newcastle away on Saturday but Wolves, who drew at home to Burton and lost 4-0 at home to Barnsley, is a "certain defeat" at Villa Park? Really?
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I think I'll just wait and see. You just cannot predict this league!!
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Looking at the fixtures, ironically I think the 6th game is the one we're most likely to win out of the six, Fulham at home. I'll make the prediction of 3 defeats and 2 draws before that game, and he'll be gone. Newcastle and Wolves at home certain defeats.
I know they beat Newcastle away on Saturday but Wolves, who drew at home to Burton and lost 4-0 at home to Barnsley, is a "certain defeat" at Villa Park? Really?
It would be typical so I'm going to predict it that way, yes. You sound like you would be surprised by this, have you not been watching much in recent times?
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Looking at the fixtures, ironically I think the 6th game is the one we're most likely to win out of the six, Fulham at home. I'll make the prediction of 3 defeats and 2 draws before that game, and he'll be gone. Newcastle and Wolves at home certain defeats.
I know they beat Newcastle away on Saturday but Wolves, who drew at home to Burton and lost 4-0 at home to Barnsley, is a "certain defeat" at Villa Park? Really?
It would be typical so I'm going to predict it that way, yes. You sound like you would be surprised by this, have you not been watching much in recent times?
I haven't seen anyone beat us at home yet.
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Looking at the fixtures, ironically I think the 6th game is the one we're most likely to win out of the six, Fulham at home. I'll make the prediction of 3 defeats and 2 draws before that game, and he'll be gone. Newcastle and Wolves at home certain defeats.
I know they beat Newcastle away on Saturday but Wolves, who drew at home to Burton and lost 4-0 at home to Barnsley, is a "certain defeat" at Villa Park? Really?
It would be typical so I'm going to predict it that way, yes. You sound like you would be surprised by this, have you not been watching much in recent times?
I haven't seen anyone beat us at home yet.
True, but surely you don't think we'll go undefeated at home all season? If you do, I hope you're right but I stand by my prediction for this and Newcastle.
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No I don't think we'll go undefeated but neither do I think our next two homes games are certain defeats, particularly not based on the evidence of recent games where for some reason three draws is seen as a harbinger of certain doom.
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I think we'll beat Newcastle. It's that sort of division
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No I don't think we'll go undefeated but neither do I think our next two homes games are certain defeats, particularly not based on the evidence of recent games where for some reason three draws is seen as a harbinger of certain doom.
8 points from 8 games in the championship is bloody awful Dave, and it would be typical of the way things have gone on the pitch over the past season and a bit for us to lose these 2. It's just a prediction anyway, if you think differently that's up to you. I think the club is in way better shape now but what's happening in the pitch is still shite at the moment, there is no getting away from that.
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We never have trouble with hard games, it is the easy ones we toss away. Over and over again. If you could flash one of those lights - I think they are called Neuralizers - out of Men in Black at all our players on the 80th minute and tell them they were playing Bayern or PSG they would be rock solid. Tell them it is Luton and they crumble. There is no dishonour in losing to Bayern so they rise to the occasion. There is only ignomony losing to Luton so they go to pieces.
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Looking at the fixtures, ironically I think the 6th game is the one we're most likely to win out of the six, Fulham at home. I'll make the prediction of 3 defeats and 2 draws before that game, and he'll be gone. Newcastle and Wolves at home certain defeats.
I know they beat Newcastle away on Saturday but Wolves, who drew at home to Burton and lost 4-0 at home to Barnsley, is a "certain defeat" at Villa Park? Really?
It would be typical so I'm going to predict it that way, yes. You sound like you would be surprised by this, have you not been watching much in recent times?
I'm a Season Ticket holder so I have watched us loads. It wouldn't be a gigantic surprise if we lost to Newcastle and/or Wolves but that is not the same thing as saying they are "certain defeats."
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In our post MON period in the Premier League there were lots of certain defeats as we all studied upcoming fixtures, ok were plodding along a point a game in the championship and were all underwhelmed but for me there are NO certain defeats in this division, the wins are evading us but I go into every fixture thinking we have a definite chance of getting a decent result.
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"I understand all ur feelings&desperation 2up TheVilla. We need more2stand together&calm down 2solve all the problems b4 the dawn coming"
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"We r clear about issues. I've asked all2support including pointing out coach team's weaknesses and try different ways to fix 4 now. Be positive"
There you go then
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To quote Kent Brockman:
Strong words.
Strong, bewildering words.
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Not that it really matters, but I'd rather he went into multiple tweets instead of using txt speak to cram it all in.
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It gets the message across. As frustrated as we all are we do need to stay together and calm. It's really hard to do especially right after the event and on the back of several years of the same bollocks but there has been a massive upheaval at the club. It was never going to change overnight.
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Not that it really matters, but I'd rather he went into multiple tweets instead of using txt speak to cram it all in.
Don't be greedy!
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Alan Turing to the Tony's Tweets thread please
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Do people really find those tweets complicated?
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Angry as I am and as little as I want to calm down because I'm FUCKING LIVID (!!!!!!), I do actually find it reassuring that he's urging calm and talking about the long-run.
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I don't have a problem with what he says. I just wish he'd take off his boxing gloves to tweet.
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I don't have a problem with what he says. I just wish he'd take off his boxing gloves to tweet.
I think he does well considering its not his first language. There are lots of English speaking people that wish they spoke as coherently as he tweets.
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I do wonder what his reference to 'the dawn coming' is...
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Metaphor I assume. New dawn, new tomorrow, night is darkest before the dawn. RDM is the Batman is what he's trying to tell us.
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Sacked in the morning, just as soon as the Valium has worn off?
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I see a new official account has be opened @AVsupport presumably for the pie related gripes.
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"I understand all ur feelings&desperation 2up TheVilla. We need more2stand together&calm down 2solve all the problems b4 the dawn coming"
That tweet makes sense, the subsequent one is a bit more worrying.
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"I understand all ur feelings&desperation 2up TheVilla. We need more2stand together&calm down 2solve all the problems b4 the dawn coming"
That tweet makes sense, the subsequent one is a bit more worrying.
You mean:
"... pointing out coach team's weaknesses and try different ways to fix 4 now."?
Yes, I hope that one was lost in translation.
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@TonyXia Have talked to Coach and agree I will pick team 4 Saturday.
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Good old Tony
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Metaphor I assume. New dawn, new tomorrow, night is darkest before the dawn. RDM is the Batman is what he's trying to tell us.
Not the Joker?
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Bit worried by Paul McGrath's latest tweet :o
I sent not spell two worts but iv trust and if just a sad man sorry ! Please tell my m she the biz !
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Bit worried by Paul McGrath's latest tweet :o
I sent not spell two worts but iv trust and if just a sad man sorry ! Please tell my m she the biz !
The one before that is even more baffling.
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@Paulmcgrath5 Will give I ovbocobv. Ohio pop ovbocobv pic I p p pvp
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Horrible to see.
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"We r clear about issues. I've asked all2support including pointing out coach team's weaknesses and try different ways to fix 4 now. Be positive"
There you go then
Is the dislike for the person or for the method ? I have not noticed one post from you regarding the owner that hasn't been negative
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"We r clear about issues. I've asked all2support including pointing out coach team's weaknesses and try different ways to fix 4 now. Be positive"
There you go then
Is the dislike for the person or for the method ? I have not noticed one post from you regarding the owner that hasn't been negative
Actually, I'm not sure how you can read anything from my post , Edvard, because I didn't really make any meaningful comment.
Since you ask though, it's the "text speak" (there are other things about Xia that I'm not comfortable with but I'll keep them offline because he sounds like the litigious type). Makes me want to punch people when I see it coming from adults and I'm guessing that the mods on H&V agree with me, which is why such language isn't allowed on this site.
edit - and I bet he didn't write in stupid text speak when he was at Harvard
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I'm not a fan of text speak from adults either.
A relative of ours, a very nice and caring woman, has allowed it to creep from texts into messages written in birthday cards etc.
WTF - it's like a disease!
Dr.Xia's messages take two reads from me to work out how they're supposed to scan.
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Text talk also does my head in, but as has been mentioned multiple times, twitter encourages this as you only have a certain amount of characters to get your message across.
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Text talk also does my head in, but as has been mentioned multiple times, twitter encourages this as you only have a certain amount of characters to get your message across.
Except you're not limited by how many you can send. If you can't fit what you want to say in one, send two.
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He is the only person I follow on Twitter who uses text speak.
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I really worry for kids applying for jobs. I know personally that there are people in recruitment that dismiss applications out of hand if there is any hint of textspeak included. Unfortunately it is becoming more prevalent with the Twitter generation.
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Text talk also does my head in, but as has been mentioned multiple times, twitter encourages this as you only have a certain amount of characters to get your message across.
Especially if like me you are in the Welsh railway station appreciation society.
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I really worry for kids applying for jobs. I know personally that there are people in recruitment that dismiss applications out of hand if there is any hint of textspeak included. Unfortunately it is becoming more prevalent with the Twitter generation.
Lol
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Text talk also does my head in, but as has been mentioned multiple times, twitter encourages this as you only have a certain amount of characters to get your message across.
Except you're not limited by how many you can send. If you can't fit what you want to say in one, send two.
I'm not big on twitter but do people send two? I thought the whole point of it was to get your message across quickly.
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Text talk also does my head in, but as has been mentioned multiple times, twitter encourages this as you only have a certain amount of characters to get your message across.
Except you're not limited by how many you can send. If you can't fit what you want to say in one, send two.
I'm not big on twitter but do people send two? I thought the whole point of it was to get your message across quickly.
They do but not overly often. For those really wanting to have a rant they tend to go on Twitlonger.
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I think it's quite good that he keeps it short and a little indistinct. If he explained himself really fully there'd almost certainly be enough there to hang him with. It's probably a good thing that we can say 'Lost in translation', 'only 140 characters' 'not entirely sure if that was what he meant' - because some of the tweets may have been a little too close to the mark if they were really clear.
On the other hand, it's nice to hear from him regularly saying things like 'be patient', alongside other more opaque tweets saying he's not standing for any nonsense. At present its working quite well I think.
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I think it's quite good that he keeps it short and a little indistinct. If he explained himself really fully there'd almost certainly be enough there to hang him with. It's probably a good thing that we can say 'Lost in translation', 'only 140 characters' 'not entirely sure if that was what he meant' - because some of the tweets may have been a little too close to the mark if they were really clear.
On the other hand, it's nice to hear from him regularly saying things like 'be patient', alongside other more opaque tweets saying he's not standing for any nonsense. At present its working quite well I think.
Yep, think your right there
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Amfy is right.
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I really worry for kids applying for jobs. I know personally that there are people in recruitment that dismiss applications out of hand if there is any hint of textspeak included. Unfortunately it is becoming more prevalent with the Twitter generation.
It's not the Twitter generation that use it but the mobile phone generation. My aunty even uses it and I haven't a clue what she means half the time.
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I really worry for kids applying for jobs. I know personally that there are people in recruitment that dismiss applications out of hand if there is any hint of textspeak included. Unfortunately it is becoming more prevalent with the Twitter generation.
It's not the Twitter generation that use it but the mobile phone generation. My aunty even uses it and I haven't a clue what she means half the time.
yeah my mum does and she's 77
amongst other things she signs of every txt with LOL, which also means lots of love
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Mick Quinn's been on Twitter himself apparently trying to wind up Villa fans ahead of Saturday. Something along the lines of we'd sell out more home games if we looked at them as passionately as we gave him stick.
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Mick Quinn's been on Twitter himself apparently trying to wind up Villa fans ahead of Saturday. Something along the lines of we'd sell out more home games if we looked at them as passionately as we gave him stick.
Can't stand the bloke. Neglects racehorses, has no integrity as he's a Scouser working for Murdoch and tries to wind Villa fans up everytime we play Newcastle because of the 2009 relegation and his Cov links play a part too I'd have said.
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Mick Quinn's been on Twitter himself apparently trying to wind up Villa fans ahead of Saturday. Something along the lines of we'd sell out more home games if we looked at them as passionately as we gave him stick.
Can't stand the bloke. Neglects racehorses, has no integrity as he's a Scouser working for Murdoch and tries to wind Villa fans up everytime we play Newcastle because of the 2009 relegation and his Cov links play a part too I'd have said.
yes I guess he's never got over that Boxing Day game where we really did slag him off. Wasn't enough for him to score two that day in a 3-0 Coventry win, he's been on our case ever since.
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Quin is a prick but rising to his baiting is why they keep employing him.
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Exactly. Ignore the bloated buffoon.
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at least the fat c*** aint on talkshite on a weekend any more
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I really worry for kids applying for jobs. I know personally that there are people in recruitment that dismiss applications out of hand if there is any hint of textspeak included. Unfortunately it is becoming more prevalent with the Twitter generation.
Lol
Pmsl
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I really worry for kids applying for jobs. I know personally that there are people in recruitment that dismiss applications out of hand if there is any hint of textspeak included. Unfortunately it is becoming more prevalent with the Twitter generation.
Lol
Pmsl
FML
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I really worry for kids applying for jobs. I know personally that there are people in recruitment that dismiss applications out of hand if there is any hint of textspeak included. Unfortunately it is becoming more prevalent with the Twitter generation.
Lol
Pmsl
FML
WTF
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I really worry for kids applying for jobs. I know personally that there are people in recruitment that dismiss applications out of hand if there is any hint of textspeak included. Unfortunately it is becoming more prevalent with the Twitter generation.
Lol
Pmsl
FML
WTF
WD40
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I really worry for kids applying for jobs. I know personally that there are people in recruitment that dismiss applications out of hand if there is any hint of textspeak included. Unfortunately it is becoming more prevalent with the Twitter generation.
Lol
Pmsl
FML
WTF
WD40
QTIP
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I really worry for kids applying for jobs. I know personally that there are people in recruitment that dismiss applications out of hand if there is any hint of textspeak included. Unfortunately it is becoming more prevalent with the Twitter generation.
Lol
Pmsl
FML
WTF
WD40
QTIP
40DD
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I really worry for kids applying for jobs. I know personally that there are people in recruitment that dismiss applications out of hand if there is any hint of textspeak included. Unfortunately it is becoming more prevalent with the Twitter generation.
Lol
Pmsl
FML
WTF
WD40
QTIP
40DD
GTFO
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I really worry for kids applying for jobs. I know personally that there are people in recruitment that dismiss applications out of hand if there is any hint of textspeak included. Unfortunately it is becoming more prevalent with the Twitter generation.
Lol
Pmsl
FML
WTF
WD40
QTIP
40DD
GTFO
GT40 (or GTO for that matter)
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Way too many TLA/FLAs in this thread at the moment...
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I really worry for kids applying for jobs. I know personally that there are people in recruitment that dismiss applications out of hand if there is any hint of textspeak included. Unfortunately it is becoming more prevalent with the Twitter generation.
Lol
Pmsl
FML
WTF
WD40
QTIP
40DD
GTFO
GT40 (or GTO for that matter)
10CC
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I really worry for kids applying for jobs. I know personally that there are people in recruitment that dismiss applications out of hand if there is any hint of textspeak included. Unfortunately it is becoming more prevalent with the Twitter generation.
Lol
Pmsl
FML
WTF
WD40
QTIP
40DD
GTFO
GT40 (or GTO for that matter)
10CC
TL:DR
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RAFPMSL
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I really worry for kids applying for jobs. I know personally that there are people in recruitment that dismiss applications out of hand if there is any hint of textspeak included. Unfortunately it is becoming more prevalent with the Twitter generation.
Lol
Pmsl
FML
WTF
WD40
QTIP
40DD
GTFO
GT40 (or GTO for that matter)
10CC
TL:DR
ctrl del
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ffs
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ffs
AVFC?
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OK
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ITSOTP
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ITSOTP
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ITSOTP
There's an echo in here.
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Here here
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I see Tone has taken to advising Jack in front of the whole world...
@JackGrealish1 As I said b4, focus every minute on&off pitch, choose the right type of ppl 2be with.Don't let ppl who trust u down! #UTV
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Again has he said anything we don't agree with?
Jack needs to be focused on who he surrounds himself with
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Say it to him, rather than on social media.
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More importantly, are they giving out balloons at the Newcastle game?
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I wonder if it might be an idea to have an English speaking proof reader have a look at the tweets beforehand so they make a bit of sense.
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I wonder if it might be an idea to have an English speaking proof reader have a look at the tweets beforehand so they make a bit of sense.
His last tweet said that Jack is being paid a fortune so should behave professionally at all times. Also he needs to stop hanging around with wankers and stop pissing off the owner, staff and fans of AVFC. There you go.
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And that if he had been here five years ago he would have given the same advice to Gabriel.
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And the previous owner would not have know who he is.
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I wonder if it might be an idea to have an English speaking proof reader have a look at the tweets beforehand so they make a bit of sense.
Where's the fun in that?!
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I wonder if it might be an idea to have an English speaking proof reader have a look at the tweets beforehand so they make a bit of sense.
Where's the fun in that?!
Looking at some of the replies to his tweets I'd say he has a better grasp of written English than many of those replying.
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I wonder if it might be an idea to have an English speaking proof reader have a look at the tweets beforehand so they make a bit of sense.
There hasn't been one Tweet of his I haven't understood. Okay they often look like they were written by Mark E Smith on acid but I can still work out what he's trying to say.
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I think his tweets have been good. He seems to have his finger on the pulse of what the fans are talking about. He is getting in quick when there is an issue, rather than allowing it to fester and get reported incorrectly in the media.
I think it's as good as it gets on direct communication between the club and the fans in todays over hyped football.
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Who is this Quinn bloke anyway. Did he used to play football? I remember many players from years ago but the name Quinn doesn't seem to ring a bell. Was he Torquay's goalkeeper years ago ? I'll have to Google the name.
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Who is this Quinn bloke anyway. Did he used to play football? I remember many players from years ago but the name Quinn doesn't seem to ring a bell. Was he Torquay's goalkeeper years ago ? I'll have to Google the name.
I'll give you a hint. These are a pair of his shorts from his playing days.
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/05/20/article-2633675-1E076B0400000578-160_634x704.jpg)
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Who is this Quinn bloke anyway. Did he used to play football? I remember many players from years ago but the name Quinn doesn't seem to ring a bell. Was he Torquay's goalkeeper years ago ? I'll have to Google the name.
There's a typo in there. that should be 1 m, not 2 n's in his name. Quim as in c....
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Who is this Quinn bloke anyway. Did he used to play football? I remember many players from years ago but the name Quinn doesn't seem to ring a bell. Was he Torquay's goalkeeper years ago ? I'll have to Google the name.
I'll give you a hint. These are a pair of his shorts from his playing days.
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/05/20/article-2633675-1E076B0400000578-160_634x704.jpg)
on par with david ginolas and like gabbys speedos
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According to Bob Dylan Quinn is an Eskimo.
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Ohhh...got it now...I was right..the oversized shorts plus quim gave it away...He WAS the fat c### who played in goal for Torquay. Still don't get the relevance of the bloke though..Is it that talkshite only employ calorie challenged people.
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Micky Quinn the thick eyebrowed, moustachioed footballer from the 80's and the racehorse owning radio Micky Quinn of today are two separate people claiming to be the same person. They look nothing alike. The only thing they both consistently have in common is that they're both twatty and half a balti pie away from a massive heart attack.
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Mick Quinn reminds me of Desperate Dan
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Micky Quinn the thick, eyebrowed, moustachioed footballer from the 80's and the racehorse owning radio Micky Quinn of today are two separate people claiming to be the same person. They look nothing alike. The only thing they both consistently have in common is that they're both twatty and half a balti pie away from a massive heart attack.
Fixed.
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Mick Quinn reminds me of Desperate Dan
Or a Norfolk car mechanic
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Mick Quinn is an irredeemable twat.
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Doesn't sound like someone about to pull the trigger to me...
Dr. Tony Xia @Dr_TonyXia 6h6 hours ago
It always takes longer than predicted, needs harder work than expected 2succeed in everything! But it'll come.It's my experience&philosophy.
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Doesn't sound like someone about to pull the trigger to me...
Dr. Tony Xia @Dr_TonyXia 6h6 hours ago
It always takes longer than predicted, needs harder work than expected 2succeed in everything! But it'll come.It's my experience&philosophy.
I am reassured by that. It says to me he is not going to be one of those interfering 'wants it done yesterday' type of owners and understands that it takes hard work, rather than just a cheque book, to achieve anything.
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Seems to me someone has had a word in his ear regarding his tweeting
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or, it's just the calm before the storm.
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Doesn't sound like someone about to pull the trigger to me...
Dr. Tony Xia @Dr_TonyXia 6h6 hours ago
It always takes longer than predicted, needs harder work than expected 2succeed in everything! But it'll come.It's my experience&philosophy.
I am reassured by that. It says to me he is not going to be one of those interfering 'wants it done yesterday' type of owners and understands that it takes hard work, rather than just a cheque book, to achieve anything.
I broadly agree with those sentiments, Chris, however this is the very same owner who stated that it's his aim to make us the biggest club in the world in 5 years; and has spunked a huge amount of dosh before & during his current position. I haven't a clue how long he's willing to give RDM to turn this listing tub into a fully-restored vessel that's properly fit for purpose, but I'd imagine that he'll be getting increasingly concerned by the disjointed/crap performances and the lack of points on the board.
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or, it's just the calm before the storm.
Electronic vote of confidence?
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Doesn't sound like someone about to pull the trigger to me...
Dr. Tony Xia @Dr_TonyXia 6h6 hours ago
It always takes longer than predicted, needs harder work than expected 2succeed in everything! But it'll come.It's my experience&philosophy.
I am reassured by that. It says to me he is not going to be one of those interfering 'wants it done yesterday' type of owners and understands that it takes hard work, rather than just a cheque book, to achieve anything.
I broadly agree with those sentiments, Chris, however this is the very same owner who stated that it's his aim to make us the biggest club in the world in 5 years; and has spunked a huge amount of dosh before & during his current position. I haven't a clue how long he's willing to give RDM to turn this listing tub into a fully-restored vessel that's properly fit for purpose, but I'd imagine that he'll be getting increasingly concerned by the disjointed/crap performances and the lack of points on the board.
We are two months into his and the manager's first season trying to put right several years of neglect. I look at it as to how I would think if it was another club thinking it was time for another overhaul and I would be laughing at them.
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If another team had come down from the Premier League, and immediately spent £50 million, I'd expect them to be at or near the top.
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I think if RDM turns our draws into defeats, he will go and rightly so. But I'm reasonably glad the good, mad, Doctor is taking the long view. He's spent a lot of money, but we don't lose those assets if we don't get promoted. Those players will hopefully take us into next season with a solid team to mount a promotion battle. I'd settle for 'biggest club in the world in 6 or 7 years'.
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Doesn't sound like someone about to pull the trigger to me...
Dr. Tony Xia @Dr_TonyXia 6h6 hours ago
It always takes longer than predicted, needs harder work than expected 2succeed in everything! But it'll come.It's my experience&philosophy.
I am reassured by that. It says to me he is not going to be one of those interfering 'wants it done yesterday' type of owners and understands that it takes hard work, rather than just a cheque book, to achieve anything.
Yep I agree. I'm not 100% sure on RDM either way at the moment, but I'm pleased to see Dr Xia appears to be pretty measured from what he's saying.
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If another team had come down from the Premier League, and immediately spent £50 million, I'd expect them to be at or near the top.
I think our circumstances are unusual given the complete overhaul from ownership down that has had to take place over a very short period of time so comparisons with other, hypothetical, clubs are not that useful. Like Jimbo I think I would be more concerned if we're losing rather than drawing and the key is overcoming that mental frailty in the last 5 minutes and the best way of doing that is taking our chances earlier so that we are not clinging on to a one goal advantage.
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If another team had come down from the Premier League, and immediately spent £50 million, I'd expect them to be at or near the top.
exactly
the quality of the league is shit which makes our position worse
be interesting to see his tweets if we lose saturday
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If another team had come down from the Premier League, and immediately spent £50 million, I'd expect them to be at or near the top.
exactly
the quality of the league is shit which makes our position worse
be interesting to see his tweets if we lose saturday
we dont really lose either we just draw a hell of alot
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Doesn't sound like someone about to pull the trigger to me...
Dr. Tony Xia @Dr_TonyXia 6h6 hours ago
It always takes longer than predicted, needs harder work than expected 2succeed in everything! But it'll come.It's my experience&philosophy.
Nice one Tony.
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If another team had come down from the Premier League, and immediately spent £50 million, I'd expect them to be at or near the top.
exactly
the quality of the league is shit which makes our position worse
be interesting to see his tweets if we lose saturday
we dont really lose either we just draw a hell of alot
We've lost twice as many as we've won. I'm sad to say it but I just don't have any confidence in RDM. I see him as a continuation of our run of successive crap managers. In fact a question for the historians on here, in our entire history have we ever had such a run of successively cack managers?
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We can't write off this season thinking we will be fully prepared for promotion by next year. Three more relegated clubs with a year's worth of TV money to burn will just make it harder for us to get up. It has to happen this season, I fear.
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We can't write off this season thinking we will be fully prepared for promotion by next year. Three more relegated clubs with a year's worth of TV money to burn will just make it harder for us to get up. It has to happen this season, I fear.
I agree and also think it is too late to get this team any where near the top of the division.
It was too big a task to turn around years of decline.
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We can't write off this season thinking we will be fully prepared for promotion by next year. Three more relegated clubs with a year's worth of TV money to burn will just make it harder for us to get up. It has to happen this season, I fear.
My point is it won't happen this year so let's not stress over it. Take it one step at a time. The job is too big to turn this around in one season, and I've believed that ever since the end of last season.
Don't forget we're not only dealing with our own 'psychological' problems, but the psychology of every team we play, who think "Villa? They're weak, losers, last-minute bottlers. We can do 'em."
It's going to take time, but we can do it as long as we recognise that fact. Otherwise the frustration, expectation and tension creates an evil atmosphere that nobody can flourish in and we'll get nowhere.
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We can't write off this season thinking we will be fully prepared for promotion by next year. Three more relegated clubs with a year's worth of TV money to burn will just make it harder for us to get up. It has to happen this season, I fear.
How will three more teams with TV money to burn hinder us? We've got an owner who's already shown he's willing to spend big if needed. No worries on that front
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We can't write off this season thinking we will be fully prepared for promotion by next year. Three more relegated clubs with a year's worth of TV money to burn will just make it harder for us to get up. It has to happen this season, I fear.
I agree and also think it is too late to get this team any where near the top of the division.
It was too big a task to turn around years of decline.
The club was in tatters after relegation and 6 years of sabotage have taken its toll. It's no surprise that the other 2 teams relegated with us are doing much better, after all they went down with more than double our points tally. Saying that though we should have still expected a bit more from RDM, and let's face it his results have been very poor so far. What's the solution? God knows. One minute I want the manager out then the next I'm reminded of the state the club was left in when the previous owner sold up and you realise this is gonna take time to turn us around.
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Did we not draw a lot of games in MON's first season?
Agreed it takes time - I just wish RDM and Clarke had some enthusiasm and would hurry up and find the right formula
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My point is it won't happen this year so let's not stress over it. Take it one step at a time. The job is too big to turn this around in one season, and I've believed that ever since the end of last season.
Don't forget we're not only dealing with our own 'psychological' problems, but the psychology of every team we play, who think "Villa? They're weak, losers, last-minute bottlers. We can do 'em."
It's going to take time, but we can do it as long as we recognise that fact. Otherwise the frustration, expectation and tension creates an evil atmosphere that nobody can flourish in and we'll get nowhere.
Nailed it mate. A return to the PL this season was never on the cards for me, just too big a mess to clear up in one summer
I don't know why people can't just relax and enjoy the journey back, i've not missed the PL at all yet, not even watched any other PL matches on the telly. If anything i'm finding this season a breath of fresh air (well apart from too many late goals and lack of streams but there you go)
We're on a ride, it's not going to be all uphill
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Did we not draw a lot of games in MON's first season?
Agreed it takes time - I just wish RDM and Clarke had some enthusiasm and would hurry up and find the right formula
I'm more concerned with Clarke than RDM personally. I've yet to see Clarke even look awake on the bench never mind showing us any of his supposed coaching qualities
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His tweet doesn't say anything specifically defending De Matteo though, just that it can take time and effort to succeed which is fair enough. He could be talking from his own point of view rather than the manager.
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Did we not draw a lot of games in MON's first season?
Agreed it takes time - I just wish RDM and Clarke had some enthusiasm and would hurry up and find the right formula
We did draw a lot that season (we have for every season I can remember apart from last year) but we also won every now and again.
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His tweet doesn't say anything specifically defending De Matteo though, just that it can take time and effort to succeed which is fair enough. He could be talking from his own point of view rather than the manager.
That's the feeling I got.
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We can't write off this season thinking we will be fully prepared for promotion by next year. Three more relegated clubs with a year's worth of TV money to burn will just make it harder for us to get up. It has to happen this season, I fear.
How will three more teams with TV money to burn hinder us? We've got an owner who's already shown he's willing to spend big if needed. No worries on that front
It will hinder us because it will make it harder to get out of this division if they get more out of the players that they buy than we do.
If you were resigned to spending at least two seasons in this league since the summer fair enough but most of us expected more and the consensus seems to be that anything less than play-offs is failure.
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Did we not draw a lot of games in MON's first season?
Agreed it takes time - I just wish RDM and Clarke had some enthusiasm and would hurry up and find the right formula
I'm more concerned with Clarke than RDM personally. I've yet to see Clarke even look awake on the bench never mind showing us any of his supposed coaching qualities
I get the feeling all is not right between the two. Who was the coach that said he prepared the team all week depending on the opposition, only for the manager to come in Friday and change everything? I really hope that's not the case with RDM and Clarke.
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Doesn't sound like someone about to pull the trigger to me...
Dr. Tony Xia @Dr_TonyXia 6h6 hours ago
It always takes longer than predicted, needs harder work than expected 2succeed in everything! But it'll come.It's my experience&philosophy.
I am reassured by that. It says to me he is not going to be one of those interfering 'wants it done yesterday' type of owners and understands that it takes hard work, rather than just a cheque book, to achieve anything.
I broadly agree with those sentiments, Chris, however this is the very same owner who stated that it's his aim to make us the biggest club in the world in 5 years; and has spunked a huge amount of dosh before & during his current position. I haven't a clue how long he's willing to give RDM to turn this listing tub into a fully-restored vessel that's properly fit for purpose, but I'd imagine that he'll be getting increasingly concerned by the disjointed/crap performances and the lack of points on the board.
We are two months into his and the manager's first season trying to put right several years of neglect. I look at it as to how I would think if it was another club thinking it was time for another overhaul and I would be laughing at them.
I respect your opinion however the best we can probably do regarding this subject is agree to disagree. I know if it was another team in our situation I'd be thinking it was understandable that the manager got the tin-tack; and concerned that they might appoint a talented manager with a good track record - who would turn them into promotion candidates. I guess we'll just have to wait and see how things pan out.
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We can't write off this season thinking we will be fully prepared for promotion by next year. Three more relegated clubs with a year's worth of TV money to burn will just make it harder for us to get up. It has to happen this season, I fear.
How will three more teams with TV money to burn hinder us? We've got an owner who's already shown he's willing to spend big if needed. No worries on that front
It will hinder us because it will make it harder to get out of this division if they get more out of the players that they buy than we do.
If you were resigned to spending at least two seasons in this league since the summer fair enough but most of us expected more and the consensus seems to be that anything less than play-offs is failure.
agree
in season 3 parachute money is about 15 million so any teams just relegated will have a 50 million jump on us
having seen this league there is no one to be afraid of and a lot of shit so for me its got to be the play offs minimum
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We can't write off this season thinking we will be fully prepared for promotion by next year. Three more relegated clubs with a year's worth of TV money to burn will just make it harder for us to get up. It has to happen this season, I fear.
I agree and also think it is too late to get this team any where near the top of the division.
It was too big a task to turn around years of decline.
I think it was a big task but we invested massively to achieve it.
There's no reason why we should be incapable of seeing a game out from 85 minutes gone. Had we done so in the majority of our games this season we would be near the top, in a good position to mount a promotion charge.
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Did we not draw a lot of games in MON's first season?
Agreed it takes time - I just wish RDM and Clarke had some enthusiasm and would hurry up and find the right formula
I'm more concerned with Clarke than RDM personally. I've yet to see Clarke even look awake on the bench never mind showing us any of his supposed coaching qualities
I get the feeling all is not right between the two. Who was the coach that said he prepared the team all week depending on the opposition, only for the manager to come in Friday and change everything? I really hope that's not the case with RDM and Clarke.
Who was the coach and the manager you are talking about?
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The money we have invested means the aim is promotion this season.
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I have serious doubts about the management team and several of the players they have bought but I have no doubts whatsoever about Tony Xia. If we could start to win some games and were in with a shout for the playoffs, I would not put it past him to fund more purchases in the January window.
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The money we have invested means the aim is promotion this season.
I'm pretty sure it was strongly hinted that we had a 2 year plan
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Did we not draw a lot of games in MON's first season?
Agreed it takes time - I just wish RDM and Clarke had some enthusiasm and would hurry up and find the right formula
We did draw a lot that season (we have for every season I can remember apart from last year) but we also won every now and again.
We started the season well on the back of fan euphoria at the sale and of having a manager we liked. Then we went on a run from early November to mid-January which would've had calls for the sack of every manager since MON , think it was 5 draws and 7 defeats in 12 (including the FA cup).
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Dr. Tony Xia
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@Dr_TonyXia
Just recorded a video2the lads as RDM asked. Hope we'll get the win this Saturday as Chinese saying:哀兵必胜！oppressed army surly will win !#UTV
5:31 PM - 29 Sep 2016
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That one sounds like it's from the Little Red Book.
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Unless the video is threatening 95% pay cuts and/or amputations for goals conceded in the last 10 minutes, I'm not sure it'll do much good.
But kudos to him.
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We can't write off this season thinking we will be fully prepared for promotion by next year. Three more relegated clubs with a year's worth of TV money to burn will just make it harder for us to get up. It has to happen this season, I fear.
How will three more teams with TV money to burn hinder us? We've got an owner who's already shown he's willing to spend big if needed. No worries on that front
Where do you think the money is coming from?
If there is less of it coming in, there will be less going out. He's not stumping up all this cash from his own account.
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Dr. Tony Xia
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@Dr_TonyXia
Just recorded a video2the lads as RDM asked. Hope we'll get the win this Saturday as Chinese saying:哀兵必胜！oppressed army surly will win !#UTV
5:31 PM - 29 Sep 2016
Great. We're backs against the wall desperate after 10 games and our owner admits it.
FFS, just get three damn points.
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I reckon the video is like Al Pacino in Any Given Sunday
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Wasn't there a quote that none of the summer business was done using the parachute payments? So presumably it is from his own account.
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I reckon the video is like Al Pacino in Any Given Sunday
I reckon it's Aphex Twin's Come to Daddy video on loop, absolute top volume.
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The money we have invested means the aim is promotion this season.
I'm pretty sure it was strongly hinted that we had a 2 year plan
Wyness made it pretty clear it was a promotion this season plan
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I reckon the video is like Al Pacino in Any Given Sunday
I reckon it's Aphex Twin's Come to Daddy video on loop, absolute top volume.
No, it's Windowlicker with Tony's face instead of Richard's.
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I used to come home bladdered and scare the shit out of myself watching that video after a night out.
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That one sounds like it's from the Little Red Book.
I thought that too!
The actual translation is more along the lines of "an army burning with righteous indignation is sure to win". So presumably we are sorted for Preston.
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That one sounds like it's from the Little Red Book.
I thought that too!
The actual translation is more along the lines of "an army burning with righteous indignation is sure to win". So presumably we are sorted for Preston.
Surely that's a better description of the fans than the players.
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Sounds like the righteous man is giving the team talk Saturday.
(http://www.imfdb.org/images/thumb/9/9c/Pulp-star2.jpg/600px-Pulp-star2.jpg)
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Sounds like the righteous man is giving the team talk Saturday.
(http://www.imfdb.org/images/thumb/9/9c/Pulp-star2.jpg/600px-Pulp-star2.jpg)
" I dare you, just say Westwood one more time"
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Sounds like the righteous man is giving the team talk Saturday.
(http://www.imfdb.org/images/thumb/9/9c/Pulp-star2.jpg/600px-Pulp-star2.jpg)
" I dare you, just say Westwood one more time"
"Does Ashley Westwood look like a bitch? Well why you try to fuck him like one?"
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Wasn't there a quote that none of the summer business was done using the parachute payments? So presumably it is from his own account.
Not necessarily, it can still come from the club's account.
There is thus far nothing to prove he has put a penny of his own money into the club - we won't know that until we see the accounts for the current period, but to imagine he's throwing it in out of his own pocket with no route to getting it back ever (ie as loans to the club) strikes me as a bit foolhardy, especially when it is bound up in a "however long it takes to get promoted, money won't be a problem" argument.
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Sounds like the righteous man is giving the team talk Saturday.
(http://www.imfdb.org/images/thumb/9/9c/Pulp-star2.jpg/600px-Pulp-star2.jpg)
" I dare you, just say Westwood one more time"
"Does Ashley Westwood look like a bitch? Well why you try to fuck him like one?"
Substitute bitch with midfielder...
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Sounds like the righteous man is giving the team talk Saturday.
(http://www.imfdb.org/images/thumb/9/9c/Pulp-star2.jpg/600px-Pulp-star2.jpg)
"Concede a late one again mother fucker, I dare 'ya!"
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Sounds like the righteous man is giving the team talk Saturday.
(http://www.imfdb.org/images/thumb/9/9c/Pulp-star2.jpg/600px-Pulp-star2.jpg)
"Concede a late one again mother fucker, I dare 'ya!"
I double dare you!
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I reckon the video is like Al Pacino in Any Given Sunday
I reckon it's Aphex Twin's Come to Daddy video on loop, absolute top volume.
No, it's Windowlicker with Tony's face instead of Richard's.
Dwight Gayle reminds me of Aphex Twin.
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He managed to take my mind of the dross in front of me last weekend - mesmerizingly ugly fucker
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Two odd tweets today. Sorry I can't figure how to cut and paste from my device.
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What's he saying?
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Two odd tweets today. Sorry I can't figure how to cut and paste from my device.
Here they are:
"Bought new solidgold crash helmet and RUmpus room got xtra padding for today game. If no win I go 2Xcrazy ape and give butlerinstruction not2 let me out for 2week!"
"So RDM better fukin win!"
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This is what he ha said.
A true friend is someone who accepts your past,supports your present & encourages your future. So are fans2 the club. #UTV
@Dr_TonyXia
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Apologizing doesn't always mean u are wrong&others are right. Its just means u value ur relationship more than ur ego.
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deep
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China's national holiday today so maybe he has been slurping all night?
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Two odd tweets today. Sorry I can't figure how to cut and paste from my device.
Here they are:
"Bought new solidgold crash helmet and RUmpus room got xtra padding for today game. If no win I go 2Xcrazy ape and give butlerinstruction not2 let me out for 2week!"
"So RDM better fukin win!"
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Is there a like button?
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Is he quoting Joey Barton in that second tweet about apologies? We need a decent midfielder, if he's good enough for Tony let's get him in.
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"What the fuck dis shit. I no pay £50m 2c Bunn!"
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Lose today and I reckon this'll be the time Dr Tony goes batshit mental on twitter.
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Dr. Tony Xia
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@Dr_TonyXia
Just recorded a video2the lads as RDM asked. Hope we'll get the win this Saturday as Chinese saying:哀兵必胜！oppressed army surly will win !#UTV
5:31 PM - 29 Sep 2016
I've showed a few of these tweets to our two Chinese Chinese teachers. They inform me that these are typical four-character proverbs in classical Mandarin. They get roughly translated into something we can understand. Google translate generally comes out with gibberish.
Here is an example he could use:
Hit a stone with an egg : 以卵击石
Overrate one's power and get defeated because of it.
Source (http://people.wku.edu/haiwang.yuan/China/proverbs/y.html)
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Can we rename this thread to "Tony's Twats"?
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A deep dish wok containing very hot oil is being prepared right now!
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Two odd tweets today. Sorry I can't figure how to cut and paste from my device.
Here they are:
"Bought new solidgold crash helmet and RUmpus room got xtra padding for today game. If no win I go 2Xcrazy ape and give butlerinstruction not2 let me out for 2week!"
"So RDM better fukin win!"
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Genius.
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How do you view recent tweets from other people on someone's Twitter feed? I can only see tweets that he writes or responds to. Interested in seeing what he sees when he logs-on next.
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How do you view recent tweets from other people on someone's Twitter feed? I can only see tweets that he writes or responds to. Interested in seeing what he sees when he logs-on next.
Here are the rational, balanced mentions that he'll see (https://twitter.com/search?f=tweets&vertical=default&q=%40Dr_TonyXia&src=typd)
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"Their b olde China pRoverBs wot say: Baldee mAn neVva kick PiPer payer in naDz"
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I want something bizarre and threatening from him asap.
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Am waiting to see "What the **** is going on?" in Chinese
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Qǐng xià xiànzài jiěgù tā.
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In this era of social media is it possible for Tone to serve a P45 via a tweet?
I've heard of people being sacked by bosses and chaps dumped by text so a sacking live on Twitter could be a first!
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I think his absence from Twitter since the final whistle is quite telling
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I hope so
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Next tweet needs to be 'RDM sacked due to non performance with no compensation' there can be no justification to keeping the clown as Villa manager after yesterday.
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There is no doubt in my mind that RDM will be getting the boot soon
Preston yesterday confirmed that there will be no improvement or comeback
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I think his absence from Twitter since the final whistle is quite telling
i wouldnt read too much into that, he has gone quieter of late
i think we are going to be stuck with the useless fucker
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not according to The Telegraph. Tone only has one decision to make - who comes in.
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not according to The Telegraph. Tone only has one decision to make - who comes in.
I'm normally in the "patient" camp but years of doom have taken it's toll.
I hope the Telegraph is correct but the Mail's Shteeve's story is far from true. Shudder
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not according to The Telegraph. Tone only has one decision to make - who comes in.
I'm normally in the "patient" camp but years of doom have taken it's toll.
I hope the Telegraph is correct but the Mail's Shteeve's story is far from true. Shudder
I am exactly the same on both counts. That said, not sure who else I would like.
For some reason the Villa job has turned into a managerial graveyard. Of course there have been issues at the top but surely at least one of them should have been capable of the type of job that has people saying "he did as well as could be expected with what he had to deal with".
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Whilst we were not killing teams off and subsequently dropping points in the last minute, there was an argument for a bit of patience because that's something that could be worked on over time. Yesterday and to a lesser extent at Barnsley was a different matter altogether.
Like I said last night though, the players need to take a look at themselves as well. Whoever the manager is, watching Westwood wrestled off the ball then act like it wasn't his fault and Jedinak passing it to an opposition player in your own box is something a manager must tear his hair out at.
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I'm normally for giving a manager time, but we are getting worse so if this happens I think it's the right call.
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Steve McLaren? Tell me this is bullshit someone.
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Schteve would be every bit as shit as the dross that came before him.
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If Schteve had the mockers put on him by the fan response last time, then Tony mr social media Xia won't be ignorant of this.
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Paul Clement was doing a good job at Derby before they got rid of him, he can't be too shabby if he was Real Madrid's coach.
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I thought RDM was in trouble when he started messing with the formation, going to a 3-5-2. That was the sign that Sherwood had lost the plot. If it comes off, you look like a genius but if it doesn't, you look clueless.
I wonder what Wyness and Round are working on right now? Xia was getting angry very early on so can't imagine what he's like now. Messing about in The Championship for another year, or worse, won't be part of his master plan of world domination.
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I can't see Tony taking a gamble, too much in it for that.
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I thought RDM was in trouble when he started messing with the formation, going to a 3-5-2. That was the sign that Sherwood had lost the plot. If it comes off, you look like a genius but if it doesn't, you look clueless.
I wonder what Wyness and Round are working on right now? Xia was getting angry very early on so can't imagine what he's like now. Messing about in The Championship for another year, or worse, won't be part of his master plan of world domination.
He has every right to be knarked at our position. Spunk that much money, you should be mid table at least - with signs of becoming a team.
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I can't see Tony taking a gamble, too much in it for that.
A Chinaman that doesn't like to gamble? He'd be the first.
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I thought RDM was in trouble when he started messing with the formation, going to a 3-5-2. That was the sign that Sherwood had lost the plot. If it comes off, you look like a genius but if it doesn't, you look clueless.
I wonder what Wyness and Round are working on right now? Xia was getting angry very early on so can't imagine what he's like now. Messing about in The Championship for another year, or worse, won't be part of his master plan of world domination.
He has every right to be knarked at our position. Spunk that much money, you should be mid table at least - with signs of becoming a team.
He's probably more bothered about how many points off the pace we are than the position in the table. By which I mean, if we were bottom but it was a really close league, with very little separating top from bottom.
You would think a massive change of personnel we would look like a totally different team to last year but somehow it's the same story. Amazing really.
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I thought RDM was in trouble when he started messing with the formation, going to a 3-5-2. That was the sign that Sherwood had lost the plot. If it comes off, you look like a genius but if it doesn't, you look clueless.
I wonder what Wyness and Round are working on right now? Xia was getting angry very early on so can't imagine what he's like now. Messing about in The Championship for another year, or worse, won't be part of his master plan of world domination.
He has every right to be knarked at our position. Spunk that much money, you should be mid table at least - with signs of becoming a team.
To be honest, if you spend £40-50m on players in the Championship you should be there or there abouts all season.
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The positive thing about a new manager is that he will not feel compelled to play the players RDM bought.
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The positive thing about a new manager is that he will not feel compelled to play the players RDM bought.
The negative is that he might give a fresh chance to Gabby and Richards.
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Paul Clement was doing a good job at Derby before they got rid of him, he can't be too shabby if he was Real Madrid's coach.
Paul Clement would be a decent shout. He'd got Derby up to 4th, then lost 3 or 4, and they potted him.
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I can't see Tony taking a gamble, too much in it for that.
A Chinaman that doesn't like to gamble? He'd be the first.
That might be a dreadful stereotype, but I've never met one who doesn't.
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Hope Tony Tweets RDM has gone on page 100 or page 101 (as in room 101).
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I can't see Tony taking a gamble, too much in it for that.
A Chinaman that doesn't like to gamble? He'd be the first.
That might be a dreadful stereotype, but I've never met one who doesn't.
My wife's Chinese, we've just got back from dinner with a couple of her Chinese friends and the subject of the Chinese love of gambling did indeed come up. They ruddy love it. Particularly the men.
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Your wife? Congratulations supertom. It doesn't seem that long ago that you were starting threads about the exploits of your love life!
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Wow you married her! Feel good story.
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I can't see Tony taking a gamble, too much in it for that.
A Chinaman that doesn't like to gamble? He'd be the first.
That might be a dreadful stereotype, but I've never met one who doesn't.
My wife's Chinese, we've just got back from dinner with a couple of her Chinese friends and the subject of the Chinese love of gambling did indeed come up. They ruddy love it. Particularly the men.
And good on them, it's a noble hobby indeed.
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Paul Clement was doing a good job at Derby before they got rid of him, he can't be too shabby if he was Real Madrid's coach.
Paul Clement would be a decent shout. He'd got Derby up to 4th, then lost 3 or 4, and they potted him.
Nah. A bit like Clarke, better as a coach. Until Clarke came to VP of course
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"Wish Mondeo had broken down before reaching Rome"
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Your wife? Congratulations supertom. It doesn't seem that long ago that you were starting threads about the exploits of your love life!
ha ha. Cheers. Maybe I should have added that into the conundrum thread.
ps...we're expecting a baby end of November!!!
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Your wife? Congratulations supertom. It doesn't seem that long ago that you were starting threads about the exploits of your love life!
ha ha. Cheers. Maybe I should have added that into the conundrum thread.
ps...we're expecting a baby end of November!!!
All the very best mate.
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Tom, you'll have a conundrum
We've just had a baby boy. I love the thought of us both supporting villa. But I know the recent reality. Most people around here support arsenal. I'm just not sure I can try and edge him down the villa path knowing what it entails.
Not an immediate decision. But one that's been on my mind of late
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Your wife? Congratulations supertom. It doesn't seem that long ago that you were starting threads about the exploits of your love life!
ha ha. Cheers. Maybe I should have added that into the conundrum thread.
ps...we're expecting a baby end of November!!!
Congrats Tom. Doesn't seem like 5 minutes since you were discussing your conundrum on here!
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Tom, you'll have a conundrum
We've just had a baby boy. I love the thought of us both supporting villa. But I know the recent reality. Most people around here support arsenal. I'm just not sure I can try and edge him down the villa path knowing what it entails.
Not an immediate decision. But one that's been on my mind of late
I took my 5 yr old to his first game last season and he's been to one this season, he asks every single weekend without fail if we've won and let's just say I've told him a lot of lies the last 12 months.
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Took my 3 year old to watch Villa play Preston (in laws are PNE fans, and wanted to put him on the right path by watching us thrash them). Didn't go to plan, but he still enjoyed it and wants to go again.
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Good tweet from Tony about the sacking of RDM, something like 'better to act sooner than later, but we have to learn from this and not make the same mistakes again and again'.
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completely and neatly side-stepping the fact that he appointed the sack of shit to begin with
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completely and neatly side-stepping the fact that he appointed the sack of shit to begin with
Or, admitted that he had made a mistake as per the tweet?
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completely and neatly side-stepping the fact that he appointed the sack of shit to begin with
Or, admitted that he had made a mistake as per the tweet?
Unfortunately Tone is only human, I would say RDM has been his only mistake since the take over.
He will learn, and we will move onwards and upwards!
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Admire that Newcastle fan punting McLaren our way, not so much the seemingly genuine Villa fans demanding Sherwood back.
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completely and neatly side-stepping the fact that he appointed the sack of shit to begin with
I don't remember many people saying it was a terrible decision at the time. Criticism for criticism's sake.
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not at all, I commend his swiftness now, but I wasn't in anyway convinced by the initial decision.
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Love Dr Tony.
There will be no further comment from the club (apart from Tone on Twitter)
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If only players could be sacked off as easily managers .
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completely and neatly side-stepping the fact that he appointed the sack of shit to begin with
What do you want him to do? Sell the club as an apology?
The main thing is he's not stupid enough to let things keep going, we've struck at the best time available, we have 2 weeks to sort ourselves out. It was a bad appointment but we've reacted.
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Love Dr Tony.
There will be no further comment from the club (apart from Tone on Twitter)
I was thinking the same :) - Nothing from the club, but plenty of tweets from Tony
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What did Dr Tony say on Twitter?
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What did Dr Tony say on Twitter?
Dr. Tony Xia @Dr_TonyXia 27m27 minutes ago
Yes.Being given very limited time&choices in June, we can't say all wrong decision as Robbie contributed a lots2select players&rebuilt team.Dr. Tony Xia added,
Patch @garypatchett
@Dr_TonyXia Hope you heed your own wise words and don't make the same mistake twice. Please listen to others with experience here.
Dr. Tony Xia @Dr_TonyXia 51m51 minutes ago
No way. I had much harder experience going through to get final success in other business. A small scratch won't change our plans. #VTDDr. Tony Xia added,
Jimmy Bell @JimmyBellGSTQ
@Dr_TonyXia Hi Tony, is it true you're looking for a way out after recent performances and want to sell Villa? I hope not #UTV #Premiership
Dr. Tony Xia @Dr_TonyXia 59m59 minutes ago
I'd say actually we consider the stability & long term vision very important aspects but we need get all right b4 starting long march. https://twitter.com/davesiviter81/status/782862632437030912 …
Dr. Tony Xia @Dr_TonyXia 1h1 hour ago
A difficult decision 4the board. But rather sooner than later we'd make the decision. All need learn¬ repeat mistakes again&again. #UTV
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He loves a Chairman Mao reference does our Tone.
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Love Dr Tony.
There will be no further comment from the club (apart from Tone on Twitter)
haha
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Clarke is staying at the moment but I wonder if Kevin Bond is still in a job?
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Does anyone know what Kevin Bond does apart from collecting the players fines when someone's caught wearing flip flops?
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Does anyone know what Kevin Bond does apart from collecting the players fines when someone's caught wearing flip flops?
He cuts up the half time oranges and takes to kit home to wash
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Does anyone know what Kevin Bond does apart from collecting the players fines when someone's caught wearing flip flops?
He cuts up the half time oranges and takes to kit home to wash
Fair enough then, thankless job and it can knacker your washing machine if it has been a really muddy pitch.
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Does anyone know what Kevin Bond does apart from collecting the players fines when someone's caught wearing flip flops?
He cuts up the half time oranges and takes to kit home to wash
Fair enough then, thankless job and it can knacker your washing machine if it has been a really muddy pitch.
only if they get md on them!
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Does anyone know what Kevin Bond does apart from collecting the players fines when someone's caught wearing flip flops?
He cuts up the half time oranges and takes to kit home to wash
he probably fucks that up by cutting up strips then putting oranges on a boil wash
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Does anyone know what Kevin Bond does apart from collecting the players fines when someone's caught wearing flip flops?
He cuts up the half time oranges and takes to kit home to wash
I used to do that!!
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Your wife? Congratulations supertom. It doesn't seem that long ago that you were starting threads about the exploits of your love life!
ha ha. Cheers. Maybe I should have added that into the conundrum thread.
ps...we're expecting a baby end of November!!!
Congrats Tom. Doesn't seem like 5 minutes since you were discussing your conundrum on here!
Thanks sir (and everyone else too).
Time flies...mind you with the Villa it's seemed like the same horrible day endlessly repeated for the past 5 years.
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... it's seemed like the same horrible day endlessly repeated for the past 5 years.
Not the most romantic wedding vows I've ever heard.
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has anyone see the official twitter being trolled by Virgin media?
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has anyone see the official twitter being trolled by Virgin media?
Yes
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has anyone see the official twitter being trolled by Virgin media?
Yes
It is quite funny
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has anyone see the official twitter being trolled by Virgin media?
Yes
It is quite funny
The most unlikely "banter" I've seen for a while. Bizarre
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Pedant Alert - it was actually Virgin Trains the cheeky feckers!
#bantz
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Quite a few get upset over fuck all
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What did the Virgins say about us?
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I thought our first reply was quite funny.
The second one a bit sad.
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It's reported here (http://www.goal.com/en/news/13712/extra-time/2016/10/04/28169342/aston-villa-virgin-trains-in-cringeworthy-twitter-feud?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&utm_referrer=http%3A%2F%2Ffw.to%2F4gUVgQc) if you want to see it. Not exactly comedy gold
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as long as it doesn't get sorted out on the pitch because we all know that would end in not a good way for us
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I thought our first reply was quite funny.
The second one a bit sad.
Yeah. I tweeted them, just saying "So you don't just take the piss out of your customers with fares then."
That's all it needed.
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It's hardly 'cringeworthy'.
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I thought our first reply was quite funny.
The second one a bit sad.
Yeah. I tweeted them, just saying "So you don't just take the piss out of your customers with fares then."
That's all it needed.
I said they should have grown ups working there and got loads of lads having bantz. I've probably been spooned or whatever lads do on Twitter.
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I thought our first reply was quite funny.
The second one a bit sad.
Yeah. I tweeted them, just saying "So you don't just take the piss out of your customers with fares then."
That's all it needed.
I said they should have grown ups working there and got loads of lads having bantz. I've probably been spooned or whatever lads do on Twitter.
They've asked if they can assist me with anything.
OoOOOOoooooh.
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I thought our first reply was quite funny.
The second one a bit sad.
Yeah. I tweeted them, just saying "So you don't just take the piss out of your customers with fares then."
That's all it needed.
I said they should have grown ups working there and got loads of lads having bantz. I've probably been spooned or whatever lads do on Twitter.
Paddy Power get lots of free advertising using this class of thing and other companies are catching on. All tweeters are fair clickbait quarry.
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It's reported here (http://www.goal.com/en/news/13712/extra-time/2016/10/04/28169342/aston-villa-virgin-trains-in-cringeworthy-twitter-feud?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&utm_referrer=http%3A%2F%2Ffw.to%2F4gUVgQc) if you want to see it. Not exactly comedy gold
They fluffed their lines unfortunately. What the should have said was...
"Villa have had more wins than Virgin have had late trains in the last 12 months"
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Peter Withe has now challenged them to a game!
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Have just taken great pleasure in booking 12 tickets for work to Marylebone on Chiltern Trains. Might make a point of e-mailing Virgin and telling them.
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Have just taken great pleasure in booking 12 tickets for work to Marylebone on Chiltern Trains. Might make a point of e-mailing Virgin and telling them.
Beware the replacement bus service.
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Both of the first tweets were quite funny.
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It seems that Virgin Trains are saying the number of trains that arrive on time throughout the country on a weekly basis is more than what a football team wins in matches throughout a year.
So it fucking should be!
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Just don't get on their trains, especially our away support, that way they will lose big time
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All train companies in UK = a fucking shambles.
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Just call them a bunch of robbing bastard cnuts. That should do the trick.
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Are some people really advocating boycotting a train company over a harmless couple of Tweets? At least whoever runs the AVFC Twitter account proved (s)he had a sense of humour and responded well, unlike some of the idiots on the timeline afterwards.
Some people need to get a grip and stop being so precious!
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I wasn't being precious - just a tight employee. Chiltern are far cheaper than Virgin. It did make me feel a bit smug though.
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I'm just pissed off with people making cheap jokes at us.
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I'm just pissed off with people making cheap jokes at us.
Only got ourselves to blame though haven't we due to bad decisions being made at the top!!!
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I'm just pissed off with people making cheap jokes at us.
You can be, but unfortunately we are making it too easy for them. I find it easier to shrug it off, after all we all laugh at the same crap jokes when they are at some other poor club's expense.
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We need to put on our big boy pants and suck it up. It's hardly a shock we're having the piss taken out of us. We're happy to rip into Newcastle over being precious about a couple of banners, and now we're sulking because we're on the receiving end. Happens when a big club is shit, time to worry is when no one gives a crap we're shit, then we'll know we've become irrelevant.
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yes as Oscar Wilde said there's only one thing worse than being talked about, and that's not being talked about.
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Are some people really advocating boycotting a train company over a harmless couple of Tweets? At least whoever runs the AVFC Twitter account proved (s)he had a sense of humour and responded well, unlike some of the idiots on the timeline afterwards.
Some people need to get a grip and stop being so precious!
I was being precious, and i won't use virgin trains in future, i also did'nt use auto windscreens when they sponsored blose i had to drive 40 miles with no windscreen but it meant that no money went to St Andrews from me, i also now don't buy any nivea products due to those vile adverts with liverpool players in, i also do have a good grip and a sense of humour
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First thing I did was rip out my triton shower when I moved in due to their historical links with the sty. Then I started smoking as I was so annoyed that smethwick had 'No Smoking' as their shirt sponsors. And I've never owned a Peugeot. Screw you Coventry.
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I've stopped wiping my arse as a protest against the rags new sponsor.
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First thing I did was rip out my triton shower when I moved in due to their historical links with the sty. Then I started smoking as I was so annoyed that smethwick had 'No Smoking' as their shirt sponsors. And I've never owned a Peugeot. Screw you Coventry.
Top man, i forgot about the shower, I'll rip mine out too
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But I bet you all own Mita Copiers and ate so much Muller Yoghurt you are all now lactose intolerant?
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Personally, I love Davenports
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I once ate a Mita copier but it repeated on me.
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Copy that.
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But I bet you all own Mita Copiers and ate so much Muller Yoghurt you are all now lactose intolerant?
i love their polo shirts
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But I bet you all own Mita Copiers and ate so much Muller Yoghurt you are all now lactose intolerant?
i love their polo shirts
I don't, they just make sick
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Remember that fella (Villa fan) in the papers years ago who called out roadside assistance then refused to have his windscreen replaced when Auto-Windsceens turned up
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I was so Ill I went to the doctors. He said it Mita been something I ate.
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Tone's laying into Virgin Trains now.
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Tone's laying into Virgin Trains now.
Good lad. What's the gist?
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Tone's laying into Virgin Trains now.
Good lad. What's the gist?
"My dick longer than ur shittie train andit always Come on time."
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It's actually quite good.
1h
Dr. Tony Xia @Dr_TonyXia
@Peter_Withe Besides smashing them through the game,please ask em go to China to study what's the real modern high-speed rail&good service😜😎
Peter Withe @Peter_Withe
@VirginTrains lots been said so get your team together to challenge my 11 bring it on
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#bantz
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Do you think that the Dr's communication is better, more believable, trustworthy etc than when the General used to communicate with us ?
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But I bet you all own Mita Copiers and ate so much Muller Yoghurt you are all now lactose intolerant?
When CDWS sposored us I misread the logo and brought a herd of cows.
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His reply to a Tweet asking if he could attend a charity event.
"Sorry that I won't be able to join becoz I'll have to give a keynote speech at the world AI&Robot Conference in BJ that day."
Knows how to live our Tone!
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Difference between Tony and the General contacting us is that one has spent somewhere between £30 - 50 million on the club, one spent nothing.
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Do you think that the Dr's communication is better, more believable, trustworthy etc than when the General used to communicate with us ?
Fuckin "A"
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His reply to a Tweet asking if he could attend a charity event.
"Sorry that I won't be able to join becoz I'll have to give a keynote speech at the world AI&Robot Conference in BJ that day."
Knows how to live our Tone!
There's a touch of The Doug about our Tone. "Keynote speech"? Somebody should tell the organisers.
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Is that a keynote speech and a BJ?
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From what I've seen it looks like more keynote speech and BS.
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I once ate a Mita copier but it repeated on me.
Very good.
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His reply to a Tweet asking if he could attend a charity event.
"Sorry that I won't be able to join becoz I'll have to give a keynote speech at the world AI&Robot Conference in BJ that day."
Knows how to live our Tone!
Can any of the robots play midfield?
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From what I've seen it looks like more keynote speech and BS.
Is this it?
http://www.worldrobotconference.com/en/Home/index.html
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From what I've seen it looks like more keynote speech and BS.
Is this it?
http://www.worldrobotconference.com/en/Home/index.html
Blimey, the Birmingham Six have changed.
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The Robot Conference has a TWO HOUR closing ceremony.
You wouldn't think it would take the metal twats that long to light some fireworks.
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I wonder what Tony will make of Jack Grealish moonlighting as a wannabe popstar on the X-Factor tonight. He should be working on his game in training.
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From what I've seen it looks like more keynote speech and BS.
Is this it?
http://www.worldrobotconference.com/en/Home/index.html
Yup. list of speakers here for all 3 days: http://www.worldrobotconference.com/en/Conference_Forum/Main_Forum/#
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From what I've seen it looks like more keynote speech and BS.
Is this it?
http://www.worldrobotconference.com/en/Home/index.html
Yup. list of speakers here for all 3 days: http://www.worldrobotconference.com/en/Conference_Forum/Main_Forum/#
Can't see Tony on there? Must be a different conference.
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From what I've seen it looks like more keynote speech and BS.
Is this it?
http://www.worldrobotconference.com/en/Home/index.html
Yup. list of speakers here for all 3 days: http://www.worldrobotconference.com/en/Conference_Forum/Main_Forum/#
Can't see Tony on there? Must be a different conference.
Yeah. Same date, same city, same subject matter. It's a big place. ;)
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From what I've seen it looks like more keynote speech and BS.
Is this it?
http://www.worldrobotconference.com/en/Home/index.html
Yup. list of speakers here for all 3 days: http://www.worldrobotconference.com/en/Conference_Forum/Main_Forum/#
Can't see Tony on there? Must be a different conference.
Yeah. Same date, same city, same subject matter. It's a big place. ;)
He's one of the robots?
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He wouldnt lie now,would he?
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I wonder if he Tweeted about his attendance on an Android phone?
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I once ate a Mita copier but it repeated on me.
Very good.
It doesn't scan.
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Read the second stanza.
I felt so I'll I went to the doctor
He said it Mita been something I ate.
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Sorry, Brian, but that really is a yellow card offence!
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Read the second stanza.
I felt so I'll I went to the doctor
He said it Mita been something I ate.
This thing you ate...did it keep repeating on you?
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Xia really used Twitter way it should be brilliant by him again !
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I'd like Tony to step back now for a while and let Brucie manage.
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I'd love him to stop using Twitter.
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Xia really used Twitter way it should be brilliant by him again !
Yep, he batted the McLaren rumour away rather deftly.
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For me I just like the way he uses it to inform and give an official view but in a personable way. To be fair the man is a business man first and knows what he's doing -commuicating with his customers. Learner and co started off with their marketing gimmicks and saying the right things but dr tony has his finger on the nob.
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...dr tony has his finger on the nob.
*sits back with popcorn and waits
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...dr tony has his finger on the nob.
*sits back with popcorn and waits
Tone's probably getting excited about his Robotic BJ thingy. And who could blame him?
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...dr tony has his finger on the nob.
*sits back with popcorn and waits
Bacuna starts Saturday
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The Robot Conference has a TWO HOUR closing ceremony.
You wouldn't think it would take the metal twats that long to light some fireworks.
Why can I not stop laughing at this?
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Our Tone's coming out with some real belters today. I think he's using William Burroughs' cut-up technique.
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He's nailed on for next year's Nobel Prize for Literature
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My favourite game is guessing how many tweets will be on my timeline betw Dr Tony tweeting & the Mail reporting it as an article....they are surprisingly efficient
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The Dr has posted photographic evidence of himself giving a speech at the World Robot Conference. Looks like there's one bloke in the audience. Or it may be a robot. They're so lifelike these days it's hard to tell.
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The thing is natural skepticism aside he's come through on literally every single thing he's talked about or said he'd commit too. What he's proven so far is that the lack of information about him is precisely that, just a lack of information. And he's convinced a number of people to join him and almost every one of them have commented positively and talked about his plans being staggering, most recently Bruce. He's been positive since he arrived, defended the club and fans even if in doing so he stepped on or slightly over the line a couple of times.
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Interesting tweet overnight saying he has set up a working group to plan the redevelopment of Villa Park.
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Then we'll have about 20,000 empty seats instead of 10,000.
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Not if we get a team to be proud of. Mickey Mouse clubs like West Ham can get 50,000+. Okay, there's the London Factor, and the novelty of the new ground, but I've always thought we could attract bigger crowds given sizeable investment and World-class marketing. Even more so with HS2 on the horizon to make Birmingham more accessible.
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Not if we get a team to be proud of. Mickey Mouse clubs like West Ham can get 50,000+. Okay, there's the London Factor, and the novelty of the new ground, but I've always thought we could attract bigger crowds given sizeable investment and World-class marketing. Even more so with HS2 on the horizon to make Birmingham more accessible.
I'm with you. Time to think positive not negative. Dr Tony's enthusiasm for the Villa should be embraced and enjoyed. He is ten times better than the previous leadership.
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Then we'll have about 20,000 empty seats instead of 10,000.
That's the spirit mate.
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Better to have 50,000 three or four times a season than not.
Improving the infrastructure will be in conjunction with improving the on the pitch quality.
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The team needs to improve drastically and prices need to be reduced to about £25.00 per game for us to get near 50.000
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Then we'll have about 20,000 empty seats instead of 10,000.
How many have we sold for the Holte tomorrow and will they be loud enough?
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Then we'll have about 20,000 empty seats instead of 10,000.
How many have we sold for the Holte tomorrow and will they be loud enough?
i know there's more to it than pricing- competition from other clubs and other
Leisure pursuits, but I'd be interested to know how our pricing compares with Newcastle. Does pricing have any difference beyond a certain point? I'm not so sure it does for us.
You get the impression with Villa, some weeks they could barely manage 36,000 and other weeks could sell 50-60k.
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Much better we have a chairman that will do this for us - rather than the unwashed in Bordesley Green who want the city council to rebuild their tip as part of the Commonwealth Games bid. We have all seen what one of their previous owners has done in East London which has wasted millions of pounds. And she is still claiming she wants more.
I'm hoping Tony will be able to use his urban regeneration experience to expand not just Villa Park - but the local area as well. We have got to go this way as all the other "so called big clubs" are doing it.
Needs big thinking for a big club. Better transport links - and other local infrastructure. Where do they put the new tram? Where do they put hotels, extra parking etc? (Which idiot sold the Serpentine car park?)
Even small clubs like Preston, Reading, have more parking adjacent to the ground than we do.
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Interesting tweet overnight saying he has set up a working group to plan the redevelopment of Villa Park.
Thinking out of the box here, but they could always open the top tier of the Trinity....
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Then we'll have about 20,000 empty seats instead of 10,000.
How many have we sold for the Holte tomorrow and will they be loud enough?
Yawn.
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Then we'll have about 20,000 empty seats instead of 10,000.
How many have we sold for the Holte tomorrow and will they be loud enough?
i know there's more to it than pricing- competition from other clubs and other
Leisure pursuits, but I'd be interested to know how our pricing compares with Newcastle. Does pricing have any difference beyond a certain point? I'm not so sure it does for us.
You get the impression with Villa, some weeks they could barely manage 36,000 and other weeks could sell 50-60k.
It's always been the same. Back in the poost-war boom period we'd get 50,000 against Wolves or Spurs then lose half of them a fortnight later for Middlesbrough.
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Interesting tweet overnight saying he has set up a working group to plan the redevelopment of Villa Park.
Thinking out of the box here, but they could always open the top tier of the Trinity....
I know that's said in jest, but a few people questioned the closing of the Upper Trinity and in fairness it's been justified so far as we've been nowhere near capacity for any game yet.
Hopefully that changes as we are surging towards promotion in the New Year, the run-in also includes a tasty looking fixture against Sha.
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Taking a long term view, with the likes of Spurs, West Ham, Arsenal, Man U & City having 50-60k+ grounds, if the ultimate aim is to compete at the elite level then we will need to have this too.
Right now it's all pie in the sky, but if in 5-6 years time we are pushing top 6 or top 4, then it's absolutely right to have plans in place if Tony genuinely wants to kick on from there.
I do think with consistent success we will begin to pull in bigger numbers. Just look at the growth in City's support since the money came in - in the 80's & 90's they were generally mid 20k (capacity 35k at Maine Road). This season almost 55k and the extra 10k seats snapped up.
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Then we'll have about 20,000 empty seats instead of 10,000.
How many have we sold for the Holte tomorrow and will they be loud enough?
i know there's more to it than pricing- competition from other clubs and other
Leisure pursuits, but I'd be interested to know how our pricing compares with Newcastle. Does pricing have any difference beyond a certain point? I'm not so sure it does for us.
You get the impression with Villa, some weeks they could barely manage 36,000 and other weeks could sell 50-60k.
It's always been the same. Back in the poost-war boom period we'd get 50,000 against Wolves or Spurs then lose half of them a fortnight later for Middlesbrough.
69,000 plus vs Wolves ( 1949 )
Nearly 77,000 vs Derby ( 1946 )........but that was when it was not all seating..................Godzvilla!
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Then we'll have about 20,000 empty seats instead of 10,000.
How many have we sold for the Holte tomorrow and will they be loud enough?
i know there's more to it than pricing- competition from other clubs and other
Leisure pursuits, but I'd be interested to know how our pricing compares with Newcastle. Does pricing have any difference beyond a certain point? I'm not so sure it does for us.
You get the impression with Villa, some weeks they could barely manage 36,000 and other weeks could sell 50-60k.
It's always been the same. Back in the poost-war boom period we'd get 50,000 against Wolves or Spurs then lose half of them a fortnight later for Middlesbrough.
69,000 plus vs Wolves ( 1949 )
Nearly 77,000 vs Derby ( 1946 )........but that was when it was not all seating..................Godzvilla!
A month after the Wolves game we got 32,000 against Middlesbrough.
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Hopefully It is not just about expanding the ground . The current facilities need improving with regards leg room , concourse space and toilets in certain areas
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Right now it's all pie in the sky, but if in 5-6 years time we are pushing top 6 or top 4, then it's absolutely right to have plans in place
Very optimistic but, in our current plight, speaking of top 4 and such reminds me of those 1950's 'Life in the year 2000' articles.
(http://media.treehugger.com/assets/images/2011/11/miracles.jpg)
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If he develops the ground my theory is that he will price accordingly to ensure people fill it. A bit like the Beijing Games where they virtually paid and bussed people to fill the stadiums.
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Much better we have a chairman that will do this for us - rather than the unwashed in Bordesley Green who want the city council to rebuild their tip as part of the Commonwealth Games bid. We have all seen what one of their previous owners has done in East London which has wasted millions of pounds. And she is still claiming she wants more.
I'm hoping Tony will be able to use his urban regeneration experience to expand not just Villa Park - but the local area as well. We have got to go this way as all the other "so called big clubs" are doing it.
Needs big thinking for a big club. Better transport links - and other local infrastructure. Where do they put the new tram? Where do they put hotels, extra parking etc? (Which idiot sold the Serpentine car park?)
Even small clubs like Preston, Reading, have more parking adjacent to the ground than we do.
Some good points here. If the ultimate goal is to have a successful football team, then the Man City model will be the one to follow, with redevelopment of the area. Sports facilities / attractions for families, a football 'theme park', museum, hotel, leisure facilities, etc. will all be things the Doctor will be looking at. The area already has Aston Hall and the park, and he will be well aware of the potential interest in that from the perspective of a Chinese tourist.
It sounds hard to imagine, but a weekend involving a game at an EPL club (crosses fingers) and a visit to a Jacobean stately home will be a unique and attractive option for many Chinese visitors (I was amazed to see a coach load of Chinese tourists in The Crown on Corporation Street a few weeks ago, having fish and chips in a traditional English pub and watching the knuckledraggers on the telly. Spoke to a few, they were loving it. They're interested in our history and traditions.)
Infrastructure will be at the heart of it all, and anyone who goes to games will know that bigger crowds (should we ever become successful, because people will come if we are) will make getting away from VP hard work. It's already a pain in the arse. A tram line seems a sensible option, which could run on a loop via Newtown (stopping at the Bartons, obv.), past VP, then back into town via the Lichfield Road, maybe. There could be a line going off that to the Commonwealth Games Village at Perry Barr. All these transport links would help regenerate these areas, which are badly in need of a lift.
The game is changing, and the traditional fan base is changing, so we shouldn't look back too much at what our crowds have been in the past. The next generation will include many from much further afield, and a lot of them will be tourists.
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I'm glad he's thinking big as opposed to the last few seasons under the previous establishment of constantly lowering expectations. I'm sure it is not lost on him that the playing side comes first and getting back into the PL is critical.
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Then we'll have about 20,000 empty seats instead of 10,000.
How many have we sold for the Holte tomorrow and will they be loud enough?
i know there's more to it than pricing- competition from other clubs and other
Leisure pursuits, but I'd be interested to know how our pricing compares with Newcastle. Does pricing have any difference beyond a certain point? I'm not so sure it does for us.
You get the impression with Villa, some weeks they could barely manage 36,000 and other weeks could sell 50-60k.
It's always been the same. Back in the poost-war boom period we'd get 50,000 against Wolves or Spurs then lose half of them a fortnight later for Middlesbrough.
I think in those days people didn't have season tickets so you'd tend to decide on the day if you fancied it?
So things like shit weather would affect the attendances. Also midweek games were actually played during the working day before clubs had floodlights.
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Right now it's all pie in the sky, but if in 5-6 years time we are pushing top 6 or top 4, then it's absolutely right to have plans in place
Very optimistic but, in our current plight, speaking of top 4 and such reminds me of those 1950's 'Life in the year 2000' articles.
(http://media.treehugger.com/assets/images/2011/11/miracles.jpg)
In fairness the "shopping by television" is pretty much a prediction of the Internet.
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Taking a long term view, with the likes of Spurs, West Ham, Arsenal, Man U & City having 50-60k+ grounds, if the ultimate aim is to compete at the elite level then we will need to have this too.
Right now it's all pie in the sky, but if in 5-6 years time we are pushing top 6 or top 4, then it's absolutely right to have plans in place if Tony genuinely wants to kick on from there.
I do think with consistent success we will begin to pull in bigger numbers. Just look at the growth in City's support since the money came in - in the 80's & 90's they were generally mid 20k (capacity 35k at Maine Road). This season almost 55k and the extra 10k seats snapped up.
One thing that really confuses me is where all these extra fans come form. Are they merely day tripping tourists or is there a latent element of the population that will pop out only to watch a successful team?
I ask because I can remember Spurs, W Ham, Chelsea, Newcastle and Sunderland all getting crowds in the teens to mid 20s. Now they are selling out grounds bigger than Villa Park, and in the case of Newcastle and Sunderland, without any success to feed on.
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Right now it's all pie in the sky, but if in 5-6 years time we are pushing top 6 or top 4, then it's absolutely right to have plans in place
Very optimistic but, in our current plight, speaking of top 4 and such reminds me of those 1950's 'Life in the year 2000' articles.
(http://media.treehugger.com/assets/images/2011/11/miracles.jpg)
In fairness the "shopping by television" is pretty much a prediction of the Internet.
Indeed. But my point is that it took over forty years before the prediction became reality and we were all buying CDs off Amazon.
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Taking a long term view, with the likes of Spurs, West Ham, Arsenal, Man U & City having 50-60k+ grounds, if the ultimate aim is to compete at the elite level then we will need to have this too.
Right now it's all pie in the sky, but if in 5-6 years time we are pushing top 6 or top 4, then it's absolutely right to have plans in place if Tony genuinely wants to kick on from there.
I do think with consistent success we will begin to pull in bigger numbers. Just look at the growth in City's support since the money came in - in the 80's & 90's they were generally mid 20k (capacity 35k at Maine Road). This season almost 55k and the extra 10k seats snapped up.
One thing that really confuses me is where all these extra fans come form. Are they merely day tripping tourists or is there a latent element of the population that will pop out only to watch a successful team?
I ask because I can remember Spurs, W Ham, Chelsea, Newcastle and Sunderland all getting crowds in the teens to mid 20s. Now they are selling out grounds bigger than Villa Park, and in the case of Newcastle and Sunderland, without any success to feed on.
It has to be said that both Newcastle and Sunderland had pretty poor crowds pre premier league but they deserve recognition for the crowds they currently pull in when as you say they have won very little in quite a while.
With regards to the Villa I really think were still a bit of a sleeping giant. If we can get it right on the pitch we definitely have the fan base to command huge crowds on a regular basis.
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Then we'll have about 20,000 empty seats instead of 10,000.
How many have we sold for the Holte tomorrow and will they be loud enough?
i know there's more to it than pricing- competition from other clubs and other
Leisure pursuits, but I'd be interested to know how our pricing compares with Newcastle. Does pricing have any difference beyond a certain point? I'm not so sure it does for us.
You get the impression with Villa, some weeks they could barely manage 36,000 and other weeks could sell 50-60k.
It's always been the same. Back in the poost-war boom period we'd get 50,000 against Wolves or Spurs then lose half of them a fortnight later for Middlesbrough.
69,000 plus vs Wolves ( 1949 )
Nearly 77,000 vs Derby ( 1946 )........but that was when it was not all seating..................Godzvilla!
A month after the Wolves game we got 32,000 against Middlesbrough.
Even in the 90s under BFR, we could get 45,000 against Manchester United at the weekend and then 16,000 against Southampton at home midweek.
No other big club had that kind of fluctuation.
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I think the Holte and Trinity Road are both about 13,000 each. If the other 2 stands could match that and a bit of infilling with boxes at the corners then I think a capacity of 56,000 should be achievable and it feels about the right level to plan for.
I would want the stands to be 4 seperate stands though as every other modern ground has filled in the corners with wraparound seating and thats just not us.
Before all the 'it cant be done' mob kick off, this is all about planning...getting things ready, getting all the approvals in place, then if the team is successful, the plans can be put in place, starting with the North Stand being demolished for the ugly brutalist goalpost it is.
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Personally, I think a redeveloped North Stand could get us up to 50,000. We don't need anywhere near that at present but it would be nice to aim for gates of between 40 and 50,000. As other clubs have demonstrated, it is possible to increase gate sizes.
Speaking as a fan and not a businessman, I see so much scope at the North Stand end of the ground. I think a stand could interlink the Trinity and the DE with the possibility of a hotel at the Trinity corner. Part of the existing car park could be turned into a multi storey to accommodate the hotel guests. There could be room within the complex for a couple of bar areas. I'm not sure how profitable these would be, given they would be limited to matchdays only. I personally think it;s convenient to drink at the ground, rather than at a pub but not if it means standing on a concourse, straining your neck to watch Sky Sports on a monitor. Another "Holte Suite" at that end of the ground would be good.
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I think the Holte and Trinity Road are both about 13,000 each. If the other 2 stands could match that and a bit of infilling with boxes at the corners then I think a capacity of 56,000 should be achievable and it feels about the right level to plan for.
I would want the stands to be 4 seperate stands though as every other modern ground has filled in the corners with wraparound seating and thats just not us.
Before all the 'it cant be done' mob kick off, this is all about planning...getting things ready, getting all the approvals in place, then if the team is successful, the plans can be put in place, starting with the North Stand being demolished for the ugly brutalist goalpost it is.
Less of the brutalist insults. I grew up in a world where the only good buildings (i.e. Warm and functional) were brutalist in design, including at the time the North Stand itself.
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I think the Holte and Trinity Road are both about 13,000 each. If the other 2 stands could match that and a bit of infilling with boxes at the corners then I think a capacity of 56,000 should be achievable and it feels about the right level to plan for.
I would want the stands to be 4 seperate stands though as every other modern ground has filled in the corners with wraparound seating and thats just not us.
Before all the 'it cant be done' mob kick off, this is all about planning...getting things ready, getting all the approvals in place, then if the team is successful, the plans can be put in place, starting with the North Stand being demolished for the ugly brutalist goalpost it is.
Less of the brutalist insults. I grew up in a world where the only good buildings (i.e. Warm and functional) were brutalist in design, including at the time the North Stand itself.
Did you grow up in communist Russia?
The North Stand is an ugly mess. The lower is fine and dates back many years before they rebuilt the NS. The same could be achieved again but without the corrupt board from the 70's. Rebuild the top half to hold about 10/12,000 more seats. With the existing 3,000 lower seats we could be up to 50,000 with scope for more. Include the ticket offices and club shop and knock down Villa Village to free up that land for the club to do something with. Maybe a hotel or conference centre? There's scope for a serious development if they can buy all the land back to and including the Aston Hotel. Also I would do something with the lower Doug where it meets the Holte. The way it blocks that corner of the Holte was some seriously bad engineering. With a bit of effort the corner of the Doug could sweep down to meet the lower Holtecreating a much more esthetically pleasing design and maybe a thousand extra sears. Better still start again by knocking the DE stand down and build it properly.
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The upper and lower North are shit.
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Lower Witton Lane was built like that because The Holte was still terracing at the time.
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The upper and lower North are shit.
The lower North is just a bank of existing terracing that was restyled with a sharper rake to allow a better view for seating. The facilities behind it including the narrow gangway are all part of the upper North Stand development
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Which doesn't stop it being shit to sit in unless you're 5ft.
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Lower Witton Lane was built like that because The Holte was still terracing at the time.
True but when they built the Holte the angle of the seating should of matched that of the Doug by gradually sweeping the lower Holte. It would look ten times better.
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Which doesn't stop it being shit to sit in unless you're 5ft.
It was just a thought. Flatten it then and start again.
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It's what i'd do if there is to be a redevelopment. Even the Upper North is tight for me (6'2) leg room wise last time I was up there. Basically the North is no go for me unless I have an aisle seat or find two seats empty as not enough room between seats for me to sit down.
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Which doesn't stop it being shit to sit in unless you're 5ft.
Yes, less legroom than an Easyjet A-320 aircraft. Awful.
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Lower Witton Lane was built like that because The Holte was still terracing at the time.
Quote fail. Lol
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Knock down the North Stand and replace it with a bank of open terracing with a steepish bank of grass/weeds/gravel at the back for a speedy and fun exit at full-time.
It would be a big improvement.
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Keep four traditional separate stands, just replace the North Stand with a mirror image of the Holte End. That would look impressive and raise the capacity to a sensible level which would be around the magical 48000.
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Replace the roof on the Trinity. It looks shite and the view isn't great from the back.
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Then we'll have about 20,000 empty seats instead of 10,000.
How many have we sold for the Holte tomorrow and will they be loud enough?
i know there's more to it than pricing- competition from other clubs and other
Leisure pursuits, but I'd be interested to know how our pricing compares with Newcastle. Does pricing have any difference beyond a certain point? I'm not so sure it does for us.
You get the impression with Villa, some weeks they could barely manage 36,000 and other weeks could sell 50-60k.
It's always been the same. Back in the poost-war boom period we'd get 50,000 against Wolves or Spurs then lose half of them a fortnight later for Middlesbrough.
I think in those days people didn't have season tickets so you'd tend to decide on the day if you fancied it?
So things like shit weather would affect the attendances. Also midweek games were actually played during the working day before clubs had floodlights.
Yes, all good points - the large majority of the ground was exposed to the elements at this point of course as well. The relative paucity of success during the attendance booms of the 1950s, and now in recent years also plays a role.
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Then we'll have about 20,000 empty seats instead of 10,000.
How many have we sold for the Holte tomorrow and will they be loud enough?
i know there's more to it than pricing- competition from other clubs and other
Leisure pursuits, but I'd be interested to know how our pricing compares with Newcastle. Does pricing have any difference beyond a certain point? I'm not so sure it does for us.
You get the impression with Villa, some weeks they could barely manage 36,000 and other weeks could sell 50-60k.
It's always been the same. Back in the poost-war boom period we'd get 50,000 against Wolves or Spurs then lose half of them a fortnight later for Middlesbrough.
69,000 plus vs Wolves ( 1949 )
Nearly 77,000 vs Derby ( 1946 )........but that was when it was not all seating..................Godzvilla!
A month after the Wolves game we got 32,000 against Middlesbrough.
I was interested in this so had a quick check. The Wolves game was Dec 27th, the day after we had beaten them 1-4 at Molineaux, so spirits were up and it was in the Christmas holidays. By the time of the Boro game we had lost three on the bounce (including the Wolves game), two of which had been at home. The weather was 0-6 degrees in both cases.
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If nothing else a very positive bloke
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Should make the new North Stand a single tier as well. Doubt it'll happen though.
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We should aim for a bigger capacity than the toon, and aim to be one of the 5 largest grounds in England.
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He gets about it our Tone.
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Dr. Tony Xia @Dr_TonyXia
Got up early, still with jet legged. Going 2attend American Film Market&Conferences in Santa Monica today. Can't believe LA was smoggy too
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This is about Westwood's reception yesterday according to The 72 (http://the72.co.uk/67702/aston-villa-owner-jumps-to-midfielders-defence/)
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Like past months' criticizing mentality problems caused mental weakness,we need all2support everyone up or down as far as he fights4Villa! https://twitter.com/avfc_religion/status/795060922154909697 (https://twitter.com/avfc_religion/status/795060922154909697) …
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Replace the roof on the Trinity. It looks shite and the view isn't great from the back.
Erm, you'd have to virtually replace the whole stand to achieve that! It's a steel frame structure.
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Replace the roof on the Trinity. It looks shite and the view isn't great from the back.
Erm, you'd have to virtually replace the whole stand to achieve that! It's a steel frame structure.
Wouldn't be a bad idea. Do the North stand while they are at it
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Doc has tweeted that kids who are part of the membership program could be free next season.
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I always thought the design of the trinity was partly to allow for the corner to wrap around if the North Stand was replaced?
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Doctor T is sanguine about the RHM situation.
Dr. Tony Xia @Dr_TonyXia 12h12 hours ago
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Everyone at club wants him stay 2fight together 2get his 'mother' club back 2premiership. Hopefully we can see Villa blood back2all Villans.
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@Dr_TonyXia What's happening with @Rushcmpt?? Give us answers tony
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We should aim for a bigger capacity than the toon, and aim to be one of the 5 largest grounds in England.
Pointless if you cant fill it
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Has Rushian gone on-loan? By the way, one of his champions, Mr Brian Green, seems to be absent from here lately. Hope he's ok, his posts are missed.
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He's not on loan but has been linked with a move to Zombie Rangers. As they are classed as a "foreign" team, they would only need to provide compensation of roughly £220,000.
I have some sympathy for RHM, he should really have been on the bench ahead of that fat waster Agbonlahor.
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He's not on loan but has been linked with a move to Zombie Rangers. As they are classed as a "foreign" team, they would only need to provide compensation of roughly £220,000.
I have some sympathy for RHM, he should really have been on the bench ahead of that fat waster Agbonlahor.
I could never see Brian playing for Rangers. I think a little part of me would die if he did, he's better than that.
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I am okay thanks eamonn. Just a brush with the Grim Draper. Same as the Grim Reaper but better curtains. On parade tomorrow.
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Hope all's well Brian.
Anyway, in a way I 'broke' the RHM news here about 2-3 weeks ago so if it goes ahead it'll be my first ITK...
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I am okay thanks eamonn. Just a brush with the Grim Draper. Same as the Grim Reaper but better curtains. On parade tomorrow.
good to hear, make sure boots are polished!
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We should aim for a bigger capacity than the toon, and aim to be one of the 5 largest grounds in England.
Pointless if you cant fill it
Then fill it Dear Liza Dear Liza Dear Liza
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Could someone Tweet Dr Tony and ask him to turn the tannoy system down at half-time!
We wanted to chat about the match but the noise was deafening - and what was that "competition" about?
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Ian, not just disappointed. Really mad with someone not showing up and fighting after I watched video again. Far from being professionals!
Who's he on about here?
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Ian, not just disappointed. Really mad with someone not showing up and fighting after I watched video again. Far from being professionals!
Who's he on about here?
Could be any of at least half a dozen from last night.
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Ian, not just disappointed. Really mad with someone not showing up and fighting after I watched video again. Far from being professionals!
Who's he on about here?
Could be any of at least half a dozen from last night.
Could be any from a Baker's dozen.
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Yeah true enough.
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It might be Gabriel, of whom Dr. X tweeted that he needed to show that he was a man when he didn't fancy going to Reading.
Of course, the Gabster has shed six key lows since SB's arrival and he is tearing it up in training, just as he was on fire under Timah's watch.
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I thought of gabby too since there's already 'beef' there (insert obesity joke).
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A full house game since 2011and a straight fifth home win since ?. That will make u feel all hard working is getting rewarded. Thanks u all!
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A full house game since 2011and a straight fifth home win since ?. That will make u feel all hard. Working is getting rewarded. Thanks u all!
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Fixed.
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Tony has taken to his Twitter account to update fans of the club's transfer dealings.
"Working hard every day now. About 7-8 targets ongoing but if we could get 3done, then it's not bad result. If 4, would be great."
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I like this guy. I also believe him when he says something. Which is nice.
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Looks like his written English is improving.
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I like this guy. I also believe him when he says something. Which is nice.
I agree. Everything he's said so far has stood up. It's very refreshing in the modern world.
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he's been very quite lately,
wonder if he's been told to calm it down or just fed up like the rest of us
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I like this guy. I also believe him when he says something. Which is nice.
I agree. Everything he's said so far has stood up. It's very refreshing in the modern world.
Apart from saying rdm was the man to take us forward and we would be one of the five biggest clubs in the world in 5 years
i like the bloke but sometimes he is like a kid in a sweet shop. He will learn as im sure he is now when he looks at the money spent and our league position
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he's been very quite lately,
wonder if he's been told to calm it down or just fed up like the rest of us
Working hard every day now remember his last tweet.
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there's going to be a lot of very unhappy fans if this this transfer window turns out to be just like last January's
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he's been very quite lately,
wonder if he's been told to calm it down or just fed up like the rest of us
He and the Queen were both killed in a car crash before Christmas but there is a media blackout on the news.
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I read that too on a Russian newsfeed. George Michael was driving.
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Lord Snowdon was driving the Queen.
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Nonsense. Tony's been locked in his satin-padded rumpus room since the new year for his own, and the general public's safety.
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Lord Snowdon was driving the Queen.
Zsa Zsa Gabor was accompanying her.
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He is presumably in Davos the place, not the dalek), turning it into a smart resort.
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If the dough has run out by his second transfer window some of the questions many of us were asking when he bowled up will be asked again.
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If the dough has run out by his second transfer window some of the questions many of us were asking when he bowled up will be asked again.
Considering we went on to spend £50m, those questions went unfounded so I'm not sure what point you're making.
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Maybe, rather than running out of money, we've gone from a club that splashes it about willy nilly with poor returns, to one that's a bit more careful with it?
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If the dough has run out by his second transfer window some of the questions many of us were asking when he bowled up will be asked again.
Considering we went on to spend £50m, those questions went unfounded so I'm not sure what point you're making.
This is the part of the transfer window where panic sets in and the rumours of the Docs demise emerge. I hate the January window because it is so difficult to get things done and without it being at an absolute premium. And worse when the seller and agents smells any level of desperation, coupled with identifying the buying club as having a few quid.
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It could just be Bruce shaping the squad in to what he wants. There are still 2 weeks to go.
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This is beginning to look like our usual January transfer window. I'm starting to lose confidence as it looks like a sell to buy policy now. Dr Xia's tweets have really dried up - last one was nearly a week ago.
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Very few deals have been done generally. Not concerned about that side of things at all, more concerned that we'll just keep buying players that sound promising and they'll mainly turn out to be shit and we'll take one pace forward at best.
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How many clubs have had a complete turnaround as a result of the Jan transfer windo?
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I don't know what frightens me more, the thought of Bruce saying 'fuck spending for the sake of spending, i'll work with what I have' or potentially spending something ludicrous like 10m on the likes of Rhodes with no real thought again
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Maybe, rather than running out of money, we've gone from a club that splashes it about willy nilly with poor returns, to one that's a bit more careful with it?
Id like to think that but jedinak cost 3 million plus 40k a week and he will be a bit part player next season due to his fitness
Elphick looks a waste
Adomah overpriced
kodija is fine but overall still hit and miss
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How many clubs have had a complete turnaround as a result of the Jan transfer windo?
Agreed. I don't think we can turn this squad into a promotion contenders within the next two weeks.
(Though there were plenty on here who were advocating spending big to achieve just that this time last year.)
On that basis it seems sensible to ship out those who're not part of the long term plans, and trim costs if that means there's more available in the summer for better value/higher quality replacements.
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It could just be Bruce shaping the squad in to what he wants. There are still 2 weeks to go.
A rhombus
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I think the Doc has just become tired of twitter. Like a lot of things on the internet you can easily suck the life out of it at the beginning and eventually become bored of it quite quickly....I used to love the Voyeur and MILF's section on xHamster but now I much prefer Femdom and Shemales.
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He's just tweeted:
I can assure we'll done b4 the deadline but can't promise anytime earlier becoz clubs may want keep them playing more games costing nothing.
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There hasn't been a great deal of business done across the board so far this month really and generally, January is normally quiet anyway. Looks like we're going to have to wait until deals fall into place. It's not ideal but there you go.
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He's just suggested we kidnap any players we want, in response to a muppet who has told him 'u r full of shit'!!
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How many clubs have had a complete turnaround as a result of the Jan transfer windo?
Small Heath under Bruce usually did well in turning things around when they were in trouble in the PL. (with one exception when they were really hit by injuries and went down.)
I've just realised the other reason they went down that year was Harry Redknapp doing ever better deadline day business!
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Taking his viewpoint he is trying to open with supporters. Bet he didn't appreciate the cynicism of a few. Not sure if it's the best forum for him but it's a look and learn experience. Better than a disinterested randy
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So another phrase for his tweets have dried up is 'his tweets haven't dried up.'
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Speaking sense and it's just very gracious to let the fans know:
Tony recent tweets read
"Be patient as we are pushing hard to our targets' clubs to expedite but they slow down for these or those reasons. Trying our best pushing.
"I can assure we'll done b4 the deadline but can't promise anytime earlier becoz clubs may want keep them playing more games costing nothing.
"Understood all frustrations but if you can help club go to kidnap our targets to come earlier then I would be very happy too. Pls be patient.
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Never known a set of fans so obsessed with transfer activity.
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It shows people are bothered and have a glimmer of hope that a few decent signings just might see us make the play offs
after seasons of shit if we dont have hope we dont have anything
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To be honest I'm more concerned that we need new blood to avoid a late season relegation scrap from what I seen on Saturday. We've still got to play the top 8.
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It shows people are bothered and have a glimmer of hope that a few decent signings just might see us make the play offs
after seasons of shit if we dont have hope we dont have anything
Tweeting the chairman saying 'you're full of shit' is not the right way to be bothered.
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Mr Funkeltrumpet, you are right, HOPE is everything if you are a life-long Villa fan.
Bobby Hope, now there was a midfielder..................
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Never known a set of fans so obsessed with transfer activity.
I think people are obsessed with being successful again and the frustration of this season. The January window being what it is adds to that. I don't think we are any more obsessed about transfers than any other group.
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To be honest I'm more concerned that we need new blood to avoid a late season relegation scrap from what I seen on Saturday. We've still got to play the top 8.
Thats the spirit!
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Never known a set of fans so obsessed with transfer activity.
Apart from every other football teams fans?
The only thing I don't understand is the obsession with how much a player costs, it's not like it's coming out of our pocket so I couldn't care less.
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Mr TV you are correct.
We are obsessed with being the Villa we used to be.
But this isn't " Football Manager " or " FIFA 2017 ".
It is not Fantasy Football where you can buy and sell just as you please. There are some other swines out there who try to scuff it up for you. And Agents, who would like their cut to be out of £10m instead of £6m so they tout an average player like to Lansbury to Norwich to get a bidding war going to up the ante. Job done, and more of our money drains out of the game into Agent's back pocket.
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To be honest I'm more concerned that we need new blood to avoid a late season relegation scrap from what I seen on Saturday. We've still got to play the top 8.
Thats the spirit!
Thank you. I try.
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It shows people are bothered and have a glimmer of hope that a few decent signings just might see us make the play offs
after seasons of shit if we dont have hope we dont have anything
Tweeting the chairman saying 'you're full of shit' is not the right way to be bothered.
It isnt and i didnt say it was
actions speak louder, if dr tone gets 5 signings in fine if he doesnt deliver then he will get stick
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Never known a set of fans so obsessed with transfer activity.
I think people are obsessed with being successful again and the frustration of this season. The January window being what it is adds to that. I don't think we are any more obsessed about transfers than any other group.
I disagree, for donkeys years we've been obsessed with signings during the window, and since the onset of social media it's off the scale mentalness.
It's clear the club are working hard to get people in but it's not football manager, it's a complicated business. Tweeting the owner to pull his finger out is proper weird.
It's about time this club started to build properly, even as recently as the summer we spunked a load of cash on some very very average players. Why can't we for once trust Steve Bruce to identify who he wants, people that can help the club grow, and give the club the time and space to do that without hounding them every 5 mins
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Never known a set of fans so obsessed with transfer activity.
I think people are obsessed with being successful again and the frustration of this season. The January window being what it is adds to that. I don't think we are any more obsessed about transfers than any other group.
I disagree, for donkeys years we've been obsessed with signings during the window, and since the onset of social media it's off the scale mentalness.
It's clear the club are working hard to get people in but it's not football manager, it's a complicated business. Tweeting the owner to pull his finger out is proper weird.
It's about time this club started to build properly, even as recently as the summer we spunked a load of cash on some very very average players. Why can't we for once trust Steve Bruce to identify who he wants, people that can help the club grow, and give the club the time and space to do that without hounding them every 5 mins
I would bet it's the same on any other teams fans forum and it's a symptom of the stupid scenario of having a transfer window and the theatricals Sky Sports like to brew up.
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Never known a set of fans so obsessed with transfer activity.
I think people are obsessed with being successful again and the frustration of this season. The January window being what it is adds to that. I don't think we are any more obsessed about transfers than any other group.
I disagree, for donkeys years we've been obsessed with signings during the window, and since the onset of social media it's off the scale mentalness.
It's clear the club are working hard to get people in but it's not football manager, it's a complicated business. Tweeting the owner to pull his finger out is proper weird.
It's about time this club started to build properly, even as recently as the summer we spunked a load of cash on some very very average players. Why can't we for once trust Steve Bruce to identify who he wants, people that can help the club grow, and give the club the time and space to do that without hounding them every 5 mins
I think the dissatisfaction wroth the squad and envy of what others have drives the manic need for signings. Add in the windows which have helped ruin football and it creates this frenzy. Other fans are similar though, it is not just a Villa thing.
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To be honest I'm more concerned that we need new blood to avoid a late season relegation scrap from what I seen on Saturday. We've still got to play the top 8.
I actually view that as a positive. If we can things right we've still got to play most of the teams we need to catch. If we can start beating those clubs the gap will close much easier. This is reliant on us finding a way to play though.
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Considering the division is only just past the halfway stage it's not surprising we have to play most of the top 8. And most of the bottom 8 as well. And the middle 8. Same as every other club in the division.
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Considering the division is only just past the halfway stage it's not surprising we have to play most of the top 8. And most of the bottom 8 as well. And the middle 8. Same as every other club in the division.
This is true. We don't have to play ourselves though. What do you reckon the score would be if we did?
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0-0 obviously!
Although I did say most to cover that, and that we've already played Leeds twice. :P
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You did. 0-0 with zero shots on target for either side.
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You did. 0-0 with zero shots on target for either side.
The universe would collapse under the weight of the irreconcilable contradiction between our inability to score and our inability to keep a clean sheet.
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And Baker will get injured. For both teams.
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Or a 2-2 draw, but hes not even in the same fkn ball park. ;)
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I think the Doc has just become tired of twitter. Like a lot of things on the internet you can easily suck the life out of it at the beginning and eventually become bored of it quite quickly....I used to love the Voyeur and MILF's section on xHamster but now I much prefer Femdom and Shemales.
Dad?
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I think the Doc has just become tired of twitter. Like a lot of things on the internet you can easily suck the life out of it at the beginning and eventually become bored of it quite quickly....I used to love the Voyeur and MILF's section on xHamster but now I much prefer Femdom and Shemales.
Dad?
Brilliant
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Considering the division is only just past the halfway stage it's not surprising we have to play most of the top 8. And most of the bottom 8 as well. And the middle 8. Same as every other club in the division.
To clarify I'm talking about hnow our games against the big sides are clumped, we have 4 of the top 8 in 5 games from the middle of February for example, if we somehow find some form and go into those games with a bit of momentum it could change the picture massively and see us into the last 3rd of the season in a much more positive situation. that's why the rest of the window and the first couple of games in Feb are so important.
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Considering the division is only just past the halfway stage it's not surprising we have to play most of the top 8. And most of the bottom 8 as well. And the middle 8. Same as every other club in the division.
This is true. We don't have to play ourselves though. What do you reckon the score would be if we did?
We'd lose 3-0 wouldn't we? :p
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No, because then we'd gift ourselves 3 goals and snatch defeat from the jaws of victory by giving away an OG in the 90+4 minute, sure as God made little apples.
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Worth mentioning in a week that started with accusations that the Chairman had gone quiet ends with him once again delivering. In two years time it could be different if we are still in this division. However, it is hard to question his ambition.
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I like Tony and how he's done things so far but I think 1 in, 1 out, and £3m in the bank this window is a bit early to say he's delivering and ambitious etc.
I'll add that I think he's in a no win situation with some folks in the media or on social networks. If he doesn't spend £20m this window it will be a sign he has no money, if he does, where's the money coming from, who's backing him and so on.
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We will only really be able to make any judgement negative or positive about his stewardship when we see the financial accounts and find out where the money has come from.
And before anyone piles on about OMG YOU DONT LOVE TONY!!!! I am basing that on several decades of watching people spend money stupidly on football clubs
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Agreed Paulie hence my two years comment. He passed the proper owners test by proving he could meet the operating costs of the next two years...if we aren't up after that then things could get difficult.
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I agree with both of you it just annoyed me that people had said he had gone quiet etc after the new year comment. Fact is it is harder to recruit quality in January than the summer.
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Agreed Paulie hence my two years comment. He passed the proper owners test by proving he could meet the operating costs of the next two years...if we aren't up after that then things could get difficult.
That really depends what the definition of operating costs is, though.
We'll find out soon enough where the money has come from, though.
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£45m in parachute payments this season for a start?
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Agree with the above, i like tony and his enthusiasm and time time will tell especially the financial side
i think the parachute money is 38 million next season but the killer is season 3 when its 13
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However much Tony has, it is worth 20% more in GB£ than it was in June. If the purchase was in Sterling, as I believe it was, it was a very good time for Tony Xia to buy us. I like him, I don't care where his money comes from or how much of it there is. We have a good solid manager and a good solid owner. Both a massive upgrade on the recent past.
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Indeed, Brian.
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So if per chance the money has been borrowed against the club saddling us with a load of debt that would be okay?
Not that it has and im sure tony has our best interests at heart but i think it is slowly dawning on him that spunking a load of money at a club wont get you instant results
the proof will be in a couple of years when if god forbid we are still in this division and he will be having to dip into very deep pockets
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let's think positively Oswald - we are AstonVilla.
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We will only really be able to make any judgement negative or positive about his stewardship when we see the financial accounts and find out where the money has come from.
And before anyone piles on about OMG YOU DONT LOVE TONY!!!! I am basing that on several decades of watching people spend money stupidly on football clubs
We already know where the money came from, a loan from HSBC.
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let's think positively Oswald - we are AstonVilla.
A pessimist is an optimist with exeperience ;)
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Especially after today
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Dr. Tony Xia @Dr_TonyXia
Have talked to Ross.It's hard to go through the difficulty time in personal life but we all have2take whatever 2become a real MAN!Stand up!
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The good Dr's right ofcourse but not sure why he's Tweeting about at after what Bruce has already said, to send a message of a united front to supporters maybe?
Best he keep out of this and let Bruce deal with it.
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Evening.
Maybe the Dr's just a tad did-chuffed that SB's revelations of his actions might have just wiped millions off the re-sale! ?
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Apparently the good Dr has started following James Bree as well now.
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Perhaps he's cheesed-off with Hutton, too.
NO, NO,.......sorry ! Didn't mean another cheesathon. Delete.
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2become a real MAN!Stand up!
He doesn't half tweet some bollocks.
Wish he'd delete his account.
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It's all a bit Trump-like don't you think ?
Now we've gotta get used to it, I 'spose.
New generation social media - DIRECT TO CONSUMER -communication, I guess.
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It's all a bit Trump-like don't you think ?
Nothing like Trump at all.
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The Doc is now following Bree on Twitter
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2become a real MAN!Stand up!
He doesn't half tweet some bollocks.
Wish he'd delete his account.
Yeah all this stand up and be a man stuff. I'm as fed up as the next man of players with bad attitudes but when it keeps playing out on social media we're in danger of cementing our circus image.
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Could not be further from Trump.
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Could not be further from Trump.
11,139km according to Google
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Ha, ha, ha. Good fun.
Less far apart when he's in B6 of course.
But I didn't mean politically - nor even the misogynist etc comments - I mean that Dr Xia is very willing to communicate DIRECT with his subjects a la the Pres.
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He's taking the piss now. Just started following Wayne Rooney and Alexis Sanchez. What a guy.
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He's taking the piss now. Just started following Wayne Rooney and Alexis Sanchez. What a guy.
I'll be really excited once he adds Messi, Bale and Ronaldo.
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He's taking the piss now. Just started following Wayne Rooney and Alexis Sanchez. What a guy.
I'd rather be hooked up with Ginger Luke.
Am so scared he will do a Randy and the cash will dry up once we properly stagnate
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He's taking the piss now. Just started following Wayne Rooney and Alexis Sanchez. What a guy.
I'll be really excited once he adds Messi, Bale and Ronaldo.
I wonder if he's a double agent recruiting for the Chinese league now he's an established " insider ".
Maybe he can tout McCaramac to the Chinese league and get back his £12m that way ??
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He's taking the piss now. Just started following Wayne Rooney and Alexis Sanchez. What a guy.
I'd rather be hooked up with Ginger Luke.
Am so scared he will do a Randy and the cash will dry up once we properly stagnate
Jeez mate cheer up. The Doc is in no way anything like Randy Lerner.
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If he's not like Trump and he's not like Lerner.....which all-American boy IS he like, please?
And don't say Bruce Lee.
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He's taking the piss now. Just started following Wayne Rooney and Alexis Sanchez. What a guy.
I'll be really excited once he adds Messi, Bale and Ronaldo.
He's also added the wurzels, dog the bounty hunter and sarah beeny
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He's taking the piss now. Just started following Wayne Rooney and Alexis Sanchez. What a guy.
I'll be really excited once he adds Messi, Bale and Ronaldo.
He's also added the wurzels, dog the bounty hunter and sarah beeny
They would all be better than Westwood
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He's taking the piss now. Just started following Wayne Rooney and Alexis Sanchez. What a guy.
I'll be really excited once he adds Messi, Bale and Ronaldo.
He's also added the wurzels, dog the bounty hunter and sarah beeny
They would all be better than Westwood
Sarah Brent would give us plenty up too, for sure.
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95% + 95% is his latest teaser. Hourihane & Bree?
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190%?
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95% + 95% is his latest teaser. Hourihane & Bree?
I really hope so. Bree, a long term (step up) replacement for Hutton and Hourihane, alongside Henri and Jedinak. Nice.
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Its percentage boner for the Cheeky Girls.
I'm 75% + 80%
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Now saying 99.9%+95%=51%
Maybe a striker as well?
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Now saying 99.9%+95%=51%
Maybe a striker as well?
Some kid from Arsenal on loan. The new Henry apparently. We hoped Traore would be the new Messi and that went south quickly, but I hope we have an option to buy with this one just in case.
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Now saying 99.9%+95%=51%
Maybe a striker as well?
Some kid from Arsenal on loan. The new Henry apparently. We hoped Traore would be the new Messi and that went south quickly, but I hope we have an option to buy with this one just in case.
Was slightly closer to the mark than Osbourne being the new Vieira.
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Now saying 99.9%+95%=51%
Maybe a striker as well?
Some kid from Arsenal on loan. The new Henry apparently. We hoped Traore would be the new Messi and that went south quickly, but I hope we have an option to buy with this one just in case.
Was slightly closer to the mark than Osbourne being the new Vieira.
Yeah, I think we'd have been as well playing Ozzie.
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I'm still thinking of Sarah Beeney's cans (c. Series 2 of property ladder). They excite me far more than any potential Div 2 villa signings. Not sure how the budget will stack up yet, but the scope of work is definitely confirmed 😄
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Have had a minor disagreement with some Barnsley fan (now living in London and working in PR) who says that Villa fans are 'weird' and Tony is like a 'cultist'
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Have had a minor disagreement with some Barnsley fan (now living in London and working in PR) who says that Villa fans are 'weird' and Tony is like a 'cultist'
Despite the fact that this guy works in PR, lives and London and is a Barnsley fan he may well have a point lol.
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Have had a minor disagreement with some Barnsley fan (now living in London and working in PR) who says that Villa fans are 'weird' and Tony is like a 'cultist'
Despite the fact that this guy works in PR, lives and London and is a Barnsley fan he may well have a point lol.
Well yes, but I'm not going to admit that, am I?
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Have had a minor disagreement with some Barnsley fan (now living in London and working in PR) who says that Villa fans are 'weird' and Tony is like a 'cultist'
Enough of these vagaries, what does the good Doctor say?
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Have had a minor disagreement with some Barnsley fan (now living in London and working in PR) who says that Villa fans are 'weird' and Tony is like a 'cultist'
Enough of these vagaries, what does the good Doctor say?
'I have bought a big house in Waco, TX.'
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Have had a minor disagreement with some Barnsley fan (now living in London and working in PR) who says that Villa fans are 'weird' and Tony is like a 'cultist'
Enough of these vagaries, what does the good Doctor say?
'I have bought a big house in Waco, TX.'
'I'll just fix everyone a drink'
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Have had a minor disagreement with some Barnsley fan (now living in London and working in PR) who says that Villa fans are 'weird' and Tony is like a 'cultist'
Enough of these vagaries, what does the good Doctor say?
'I have bought a big house in Waco, TX.'
'I'll just fix everyone a drink'
'But first, you must all marry one another'
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Have had a minor disagreement with some Barnsley fan (now living in London and working in PR) who says that Villa fans are 'weird' and Tony is like a 'cultist'
"Must all draw crosses on forehead and listen to Beatles Helter-skelter "
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Have had a minor disagreement with some Barnsley fan (now living in London and working in PR) who says that Villa fans are 'weird' and Tony is like a 'cultist'
Enough of these vagaries, what does the good Doctor say?
'I have bought a big house in Waco, TX.'
You buy the guns and ill get the petrol
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Tony's latest:
Dr. Tony Xia @Dr_TonyXia 2m2 minutes ago
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99.9%+98%+(51%->)99.99%+50%. #UTV @AVFCOfficial
What the very actual fuck does that mean?
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Numberwang!
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Tony's latest:
Dr. Tony Xia @Dr_TonyXia 2m2 minutes ago
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99.9%+98%+(51%->)99.99%+50%. #UTV @AVFCOfficial
What the very actual fuck does that mean?
My guess is 99.9 is Bree, 98 is Hourihane the 51 earlier is now 99.9 and there is a 4th that's 50....probably wrong tho :-)
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The Chinese - a great bunch of lads (and mathematicians).
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Tony's latest:
Dr. Tony Xia @Dr_TonyXia 2m2 minutes ago
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99.9%+98%+(51%->)99.99%+50%. #UTV @AVFCOfficial
What the very actual fuck does that mean?
Take the 51% more than chance of 4 players . Standing at respective percentage of how far deal is being concluded.
As it stands there are 3 deals plus one at half way stage . Overall over 51% change of all 4 . The 51 indicates its way more than half but not yet complete!
3 player deals more or less completed!
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I think it means 1 done, 1 now 99% and lay one is still 5050. Not that there is a 4th.
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Tony's latest:
Dr. Tony Xia @Dr_TonyXia 2m2 minutes ago
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99.9%+98%+(51%->)99.99%+50%. #UTV @AVFCOfficial
What the very actual fuck does that mean?
My guess is 99.9 is Bree, 98 is Hourihane the 51 earlier is now 99.9 and there is a 4th that's 50....probably wrong tho :-)
I'm with you on that.
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Damon, I did warn you about talking to Michael Parkinson.
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It was a lot easier to understand when it was pigs in mud and Semper Fi.
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im following the gord!
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Look take brackets first and more than 51% symbol .
You then have the previous 95 % deals now being 99.9 %+ 98% (Barnsley duo)
And then take the other two 99.9%+50% which are deals
Having taken value of more than 51% of these 4 deals occurring.
Okay!
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Perhaps it's one big press conference on Wednesday with at least 3 signings?
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Perhaps it's one big press conference on Wednesday with at least 3 signings?
In all the times we've speculated about such an event, it's never happened has it?
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I carried the 1 and ended up with Carlton Palmer (at last!)
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The 51% player is not a UK based player.
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The 51% player is not a UK based player.
Must be Messi then :-)
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According to my calculator the answer is 101.6449235
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I took the %'s as the probabilities that McCormack wouldn't be able to scale the gates and be at BMH for Tuesday thru' Friday.
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According to my calculator the answer is 101.6449235
According to mine the answer is 55378008
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If anyone successfully solves the doc's equation, the stars overhead, without any fuss, will start going out.
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The 51% player is not a UK based player.
Icelandic apparently.
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The 51% player is not a UK based player.
Icelandic apparently.
Which one? The idea of buying Icelandic players I don't know on the strength of a good euros has a touch of the Amokachis about it. I can see the doc making that kind of call based on them being real men.
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If anyone successfully solves the doc's equation, the stars overhead, without any fuss, will start going out.
Love that story. Great reference.
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I took the %'s as the probabilities that McCormack wouldn't be able to scale the gates and be at BMH for Tuesday thru' Friday.
I take it that we'll be referring to the weekend incident as "McCormack-Gate"?
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Where is Carol Voorderman when you need a mathematician [with looks]
Surely the answer is :-
BODMAS
Brackets, Of, Divide, Multiply, Add, Subtract.
Therefore the answer is...............Oh, pooh, the dog ate my homework just as Morocco scored. Kodjia's already on the plane folks !
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If anyone successfully solves the doc's equation, the stars overhead, without any fuss, will start going out.
Well the 50% part clearly means ARTHUR
99.9% is as good as 100, which could be C
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Do you mean Harry ARTUR ?
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I took the %'s as the probabilities that McCormack wouldn't be able to scale the gates and be at BMH for Tuesday thru' Friday.
I take it that we'll be referring to the weekend incident as "McCormack-Gate"?
I am going with "gate gate" from some wag in the McCormack thread.
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Look take brackets first and more than 51% symbol .
You then have the previous 95 % deals now being 99.9 %+ 98% (Barnsley duo)
And then take the other two 99.9%+50% which are deals
Having taken value of more than 51% of these 4 deals occurring.
Okay!
Words dont come easy but maths does
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Look take brackets first and more than 51% symbol .
You then have the previous 95 % deals now being 99.9 %+ 98% (Barnsley duo)
And then take the other two 99.9%+50% which are deals
Having taken value of more than 51% of these 4 deals occurring.
Okay!
Words dont come easy but maths does
Well I'm just a music man.
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Look take brackets first and more than 51% symbol .
You then have the previous 95 % deals now being 99.9 %+ 98% (Barnsley duo)
And then take the other two 99.9%+50% which are deals
Having taken value of more than 51% of these 4 deals occurring.
Okay!
Words dont come easy but maths does
Well I'm just a music man.
You're a lover of Justin Timberlake!
Me too .
xx :)
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I knew that reference wouldn't be wasted on my esteemed H&V colleagues. I nicked of time and stars from a caravan last summer. It includes that one, which was even better than I remembered, and some other belters.
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If anyone successfully solves the doc's equation, the stars overhead, without any fuss, will start going out.
Love that story. Great reference.
Gosh, Arthur C Clarke.
The 5 million names of God.
Ignore me, carry on with the numbers.
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It's also surprisingly short and avaliable everwhere for free:
https://letras.cabaladada.org/letras/nine_billion_names.pdf (https://letras.cabaladada.org/letras/nine_billion_names.pdf)
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Ok, billion. What's a couple of 0s between friends?
Thanks, mossman. A favourite story for years.
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I do hope we don't start posts with Clarke in them. Close behind comes Amarvi and Gardener.
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It's also surprisingly short and avaliable everwhere for free:
https://letras.cabaladada.org/letras/nine_billion_names.pdf (https://letras.cabaladada.org/letras/nine_billion_names.pdf)
Worth anyones time who loves SF.
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It's also surprisingly short and avaliable everwhere for free:
https://letras.cabaladada.org/letras/nine_billion_names.pdf (https://letras.cabaladada.org/letras/nine_billion_names.pdf)
Worth anyones time who loves SF.
Arthur C Clarke too, genius.
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Fab, thanks mossman.
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"That was one thing in their favor: they might be crazy, but they weren’t bluenoses"
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Tony's latest:
Dr. Tony Xia @Dr_TonyXia 2m2 minutes ago
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99.9%+98%+(51%->)99.99%+50%. #UTV @AVFCOfficial
What the very actual fuck does that mean?
Take the 51% more than chance of 4 players . Standing at respective percentage of how far deal is being concluded.
As it stands there are 3 deals plus one at half way stage . Overall over 51% change of all 4 . The 51 indicates its way more than half but not yet complete!
3 player deals more or less completed!
Is it dusty bin? Or Mornington Crescent!
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Tony's latest:
Dr. Tony Xia @Dr_TonyXia 2m2 minutes ago
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99.9%+98%+(51%->)99.99%+50%. #UTV @AVFCOfficial
What the very actual fuck does that mean?
Take the 51% more than chance of 4 players . Standing at respective percentage of how far deal is being concluded.
As it stands there are 3 deals plus one at half way stage . Overall over 51% change of all 4 . The 51 indicates its way more than half but not yet complete!
3 player deals more or less completed!
Is it dusty bin? Or Mornington Crescent!
Not relevant here, but my dad insured Dusty Bin!
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Tony's latest:
Dr. Tony Xia @Dr_TonyXia 2m2 minutes ago
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99.9%+98%+(51%->)99.99%+50%. #UTV @AVFCOfficial
What the very actual fuck does that mean?
Take the 51% more than chance of 4 players . Standing at respective percentage of how far deal is being concluded.
As it stands there are 3 deals plus one at half way stage . Overall over 51% change of all 4 . The 51 indicates its way more than half but not yet complete!
3 player deals more or less completed!
Is it dusty bin? Or Mornington Crescent!
Not relevant here, but my dad insured Dusty Bin!
& actually thinking about this, I used to live on Monington Crescent. Are you my stalker? If so remember the injunction!
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Tony's latest:
Dr. Tony Xia @Dr_TonyXia 2m2 minutes ago
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99.9%+98%+(51%->)99.99%+50%. #UTV @AVFCOfficial
What the very actual fuck does that mean?
Take the 51% more than chance of 4 players . Standing at respective percentage of how far deal is being concluded.
As it stands there are 3 deals plus one at half way stage . Overall over 51% change of all 4 . The 51 indicates its way more than half but not yet complete!
3 player deals more or less completed!
I think we're getting Messi. (99.9%)
And Ronaldo. (98%)
The 51% is Emile Heskey, of course, because he's locked into a fierce contract negotiation.
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Tony's latest:
Dr. Tony Xia @Dr_TonyXia 2m2 minutes ago
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99.9%+98%+(51%->)99.99%+50%. #UTV @AVFCOfficial
What the very actual fuck does that mean?
Take the 51% more than chance of 4 players . Standing at respective percentage of how far deal is being concluded.
As it stands there are 3 deals plus one at half way stage . Overall over 51% change of all 4 . The 51 indicates its way more than half but not yet complete!
3 player deals more or less completed!
Is it dusty bin? Or Mornington Crescent!
Not relevant here, but my dad insured Dusty Bin!
& actually thinking about this, I used to live on Monington Crescent. Are you my stalker? If so remember the injunction!
You'll never take me alive copper!
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Not relevant here, but my dad insured Dusty Bin!
We had a dubious claims to fame thread on here a while ago and there were some excellent ones, but this maybe trumps them all.
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My claim to fame is meeting the REAL Davie Cooper when he was in Glasgow.......
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Not relevant here, but my dad insured Dusty Bin!
To do what ? Drive? Holiday?
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Dr. Tony Xia
@Dr_TonyXia
Busy busy day today... @AVFCOfficial We'll announce soon, in queue ...#UTV
Dr. Tony Xia
@Dr_TonyXia
Though still many days left this window,can say done much better quality in many aspects than last one. Good job by all ppl of the team!#UTV twitter.com/retsub12/statu…
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Love the Doc. Cuts out the media bullshit in less than 140 characters. And for the entire team to have brought in good players to address pressing needs in January is impressive.
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Ok, billion. What's a couple of 0s between friends?
Thanks, mossman. A favourite story for years.
Do you mean Os or hose?
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Dr. Tony Xia
@Dr_TonyXia
Busy busy day today... @AVFCOfficial We'll announce soon, in queue ...#UTV
Dr. Tony Xia
@Dr_TonyXia
Though still many days left this window,can say done much better quality in many aspects than last one. Good job by all ppl of the team!#UTV twitter.com/retsub12/statu…
While hopefully true I'm not sure criticism of recent signings is that wise an approach!
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well....he funded it so I guess he is now non-too-impressed with what was done and the results thereafter. Mighty miffed, in fact. Happier now.
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well....he funded it so I guess he is now non-too-impressed with what was done and the results thereafter. Mighty miffed, in fact. Happier now.
2 excellent
1 injured
3 poor to average
1 a disgrace.
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99% + 50% going on...... oh yes
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we definitely need a recalculation now.
How many Millions is that, so far this window ?
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99% + 50% going on...... oh yes
I cannot keep up with this. Is that the latest tweet and is this after the confirmation of the Icelandic fella?
Therefore Houlliwhatshisface and another one not currently on the radar or has Houli... reduced to a 50%?
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well....he funded it so I guess he is now non-too-impressed with what was done and the results thereafter. Mighty miffed, in fact. Happier now.
2 excellent
1 injured
3 poor to average
1 a disgrace.
Bit harsh on Adomah? He's been a decent player for us and I'd put him as a good signing. Agree with the others though
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Its all about opinions.
Maybe he meant Ayew was Poor to Average and Adomah was in the Excellent bracket , innit ?
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well....he funded it so I guess he is now non-too-impressed with what was done and the results thereafter. Mighty miffed, in fact. Happier now.
2 excellent
1 injured
3 poor to average
1 a disgrace.
Bit harsh on Adomah? He's been a decent player for us and I'd put him as a good signing. Agree with the others though
I think you missed a couple...
Gollini 6
De Laet ?
Elphick 5
Tshibola 5.5
Adomah 6.5
Chester 8
Kodjia 9
McCormack 2 (would have said 5.5 until recent developments).
Jedinak 6.5
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Gollini - cost us more than saved us 4/10
De Laet - who could tell
Elphick - Came with big rep but not really lived up to it 5/10
Tshibola - In a midfield as poor as ours to not cement a place is criminal - 4/10
Adomah - flatters to deceive at times - 6/10
Chester - when played on RH then I think a rock - 8/10
Jedinak - started awfully, another over hyped player I think like Elphick, ok when played in right formation 5/10
Kodja - lot of money signing but has very good patches although not the finished article - 8.5/10
McCormack - Really thought he would be a masterstoke - instead turned out to be a Bellend 1/10
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99% + 50% going on...... oh yes
I cannot keep up with this. Is that the latest tweet and is this after the confirmation of the Icelandic fella?
Therefore Houlliwhatshisface and another one not currently on the radar or has Houli... reduced to a 50%?
Latest after Birka so I reckon Houri 99 and a striker 50
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Dr. Tony Xia
@Dr_TonyXia
Busy busy day today... @AVFCOfficial We'll announce soon, in queue ...#UTV
Dr. Tony Xia
@Dr_TonyXia
Though still many days left this window,can say done much better quality in many aspects than last one. Good job by all ppl of the team!#UTV twitter.com/retsub12/statu…
While hopefully true I'm not sure criticism of recent signings is that wise an approach!
McCormack 12 million and 5 million Tishobla are 2 valid
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99% + 50% going on...... oh yes
I cannot keep up with this. Is that the latest tweet and is this after the confirmation of the Icelandic fella?
Therefore Houlliwhatshisface and another one not currently on the radar or has Houli... reduced to a 50%?
Latest after Birka so I reckon Houri 99 and a striker 50
Yes. Jordan Rhodes is the waiting game. What with McCormack transfer out and haggle fee for Rhodes plus other competitors depends if he wants to drop down a league...
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well....he funded it so I guess he is now non-too-impressed with what was done and the results thereafter. Mighty miffed, in fact. Happier now.
2 excellent
1 injured
3 poor to average
1 a disgrace.
Bit harsh on Adomah? He's been a decent player for us and I'd put him as a good signing. Agree with the others though
Can't say I'm a fan of Adomah. Tries to do too much and invariably runs into brick walls and loses possession.
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Still more than happy to give Tish time, he's only young and has shown flashes.
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Still more than happy to give Tish time, he's only young and has shown flashes.
Me too.
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Wouldn't be surprised if tish went out on loan with all these midfielders coming in.
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Wouldn't be surprised if tish went out on loan with all these midfielders coming in.
Cant see how a loan would help
it would have to be to a league 1 side which would be pointless
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Still more than happy to give Tish time, he's only young and has shown flashes.
Jesus, our players bad behaviour is getting worse.
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Wouldn't be surprised if tish went out on loan with all these midfielders coming in.
I'd rather Gardner out on loan than Tish.
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Still more than happy to give Tish time, he's only young and has shown flashes.
Jesus, our players bad behaviour is getting worse.
maybe he is awaiting judicial action and sb thinks his head is not right. actually its his left foot that's not right, but if he had proper coaching.............
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Its all about opinions.
Maybe he meant Ayew was Poor to Average and Adomah was in the Excellent bracket , innit ?
Ayew is not Tony's funds.
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well....he funded it so I guess he is now non-too-impressed with what was done and the results thereafter. Mighty miffed, in fact. Happier now.
2 excellent
1 injured
3 poor to average
1 a disgrace.
Bit harsh on Adomah? He's been a decent player for us and I'd put him as a good signing. Agree with the others though
I think you missed a couple...
Gollini 6 jury still out
De Last injured
Elphick 5 poor
Tshibola 5.5 poor
Adomah 6.5 average
Chester 8 excellent
Kodjia 9 excellent
McCormack 2 (would have said 5.5 until recent developments). Shocking
Jedinak 6.5 average
thanks
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kung he fat choi, Dr tony, playing a blinder so far.
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He's just given it another 98% ->100%, shortly announced.
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Looking at most of the replies his tweets get we've reached a new level of sycophancy, the General was just a warm up.
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Looking at most of the replies his tweets get we've reached a new level of sycophancy, the General was just a warm up.
True but the Doc has handled this all beautifully. He knows how to play to a crowd, isn't afraid of the limelight like Krulak's other son, has come through on all of his promises thus far. Plus he's appealing to a broken/beaten audience who needed exactly what he brings in terms of charisma and enthusiasm.
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Looking at most of the replies his tweets get we've reached a new level of sycophancy, the General was just a warm up.
True but the Doc has handled this all beautifully. He knows how to play to a crowd, isn't afraid of the limelight like Krulak's other son, has come through on all of his promises thus far. Plus he's appealing to a broken/beaten audience who needed exactly what he brings in terms of charisma and enthusiasm.
He's also being himself to that extent . We are all winners . Including the football !
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Tone's talking about more ins and some outs. Ins and outs? Well, you might be referring to the time honoured procreative act colloquially known as fucking. Fucking rhymes with clucking, which is what a chicken does, and chickens are known for running around the place with no real purpose, not for their courage or effectiveness in a three-man midfield. Clucking, fucking. You might also hear yourself screaming 'fucking' - alongside the word 'hell' - when you see a certain name on the team sheet. Fucking hell, not that twat - AGAIN! Yes, that's right, the chickens have come home to roost for Ashley fucking Westwood!
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Tony's tweet to someone saying we signed 4 players in 7 days.
But it took SR&recruitment team to prepare in advanced months ago.
Our system is very much different from when i came in. We'll Up! #UTV
Latest tweet.
We're still working 2 make some in&out2improve the squad till the end of the win as we'll keep fighting until we get where we should be! #UTV
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Tone's talking about more ins and some outs. Ins and outs? Well, you might be referring to the time honoured procreative act colloquially known as fucking. Fucking rhymes with clucking, which is what a chicken does, and chickens are known for running around the place with no real purpose, not for their courage or effectiveness in a three-man midfield. Clucking, fucking. You might also hear yourself screaming 'fucking' - alongside the word 'hell' - when you see a certain name on the team sheet. Fucking hell, not that twat - AGAIN! Yes, that's right, the chickens have come home to roost for Ashley fucking Westwood!
Say what you see
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Tone's talking about more ins and some outs. Ins and outs? Well, you might be referring to the time honoured procreative act colloquially known as fucking. Fucking rhymes with clucking, which is what a chicken does, and chickens are known for running around the place with no real purpose, not for their courage or effectiveness in a three-man midfield. Clucking, fucking. You might also hear yourself screaming 'fucking' - alongside the word 'hell' - when you see a certain name on the team sheet. Fucking hell, not that twat - AGAIN! Yes, that's right, the chickens have come home to roost for Ashley fucking Westwood!
Anyone else imagine Ted Rogers saying all that, at the end of a 3-2-1 episode ?
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{(50%+50%+50%)*1/3}+(-50%-50%)+50%
He's taking the piss now.
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Working on 1 of 3 options all currently 50/50 to come off then 2 possibly going out both 50/50 to happen and then 1 more in again 50/50 to happen at the moment.
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{(50%+50%+50%)*1/3}+(-50%-50%)+50%
He's taking the piss now.
That's actually brilliant. He knows precisely what he's doing and the great thing so far is that whatever mad equation he's working on he's delivered on 5 players already.
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{(50%+50%+50%)*1/3}+(-50%-50%)+50%
He's taking the piss now.
B O D M A S
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He just gets it, doesn't he?.
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{(50%+50%+50%)*1/3}+(-50%-50%)+50%
He's taking the piss now.
My reading that's probably wrong is;
Got 3 options for a position i.e. Striker-look to sign one
Two out
One loan in?
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He just gets it, doesn't he?.
Very much so IMO. It's about connecting and having a bit of fun. I never got the impression Randy had fun with it because it would have been an effort. He was just too reclusive and why he needed the General to convince us everything was great. Xia just says it like it is. Work to be done, trying hard as possible. As Brummies we can relate to that, like the work ethic and application.
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Q U A T E R M A S S
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Industry is synonymous with hard work. Industry is synonymous with Birmingham and its surrounds. For industry to prevail you need hard workers. Brummies have always been hard workers. I think the good Doctor is very much in tune with that.
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Tone's talking about more ins and some outs. Ins and outs? Well, you might be referring to the time honoured procreative act colloquially known as fucking. Fucking rhymes with clucking, which is what a chicken does, and chickens are known for running around the place with no real purpose, not for their courage or effectiveness in a three-man midfield. Clucking, fucking. You might also hear yourself screaming 'fucking' - alongside the word 'hell' - when you see a certain name on the team sheet. Fucking hell, not that twat - AGAIN! Yes, that's right, the chickens have come home to roost for Ashley fucking Westwood!
;D
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Industry is synonymous with hard work. Industry is synonymous with Birmingham and its surrounds. For industry to prevail you need hard workers. Brummies have always been hard workers. I think the good Doctor is very much in tune with that.
Very astute observation. It's one of the reasons Villa fans will forgive a player his inadequacies (within reason) if he's prepared to work, and bleed, hard for the claret and blue.
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They should all be given a tool kit when they arrive. One with a big lump hammer. Just in case their gates get stuck.
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Working on 1 of 3 options all currently 50/50 to come off then 2 possibly going out both 50/50 to happen and then 1 more in again 50/50 to happen at the moment.
Well played good to see you can read it like I do
For those who don't do maths its basically potential for 2 in coming and 2 out
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Of course it is.
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{(50%+50%+50%)*1/3}+(-50%-50%)+50%
He's taking the piss now.
Julie B is coming in useful here
@Dr_TonyXia = 3 choices for 1 position IN at 50% stage + 2 OUTS at 50% stage & if they go 1 IN at 50% stage.. I think 😜= 2 more in possible
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My take on this:
(50%+50%+50%)*1/3 = three options for one position, probably striker.
(-50%-50%) = two players leaving
+50% = a random other player coming in.
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I miss the days of the table and chair appearing on the pitch and the new signing pretending to sign a contract.
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I miss the days of the table and chair appearing on the pitch and the new signing pretending to sign a contract.
You mean that wasn't real?
You'll be telling me next that the on pitch wedding of Bella and Hercules wasn't legally binding
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You'll be telling me next that the on pitch wedding of Bella and Hercules wasn't legally binding
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I remember that, FFS it was embarrassing!!!!
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The lion that gave Bella away hasn't been seen since. RIP Bella's dad
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.....also, what happened to Lion Junior (Skip...Chip....something like that)?
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One of the highlights of last season was Bella sticking a bin over her head as we conceded yet another goal.
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Brilliant from Dr Tony to keep us frequently updated! What a contrast to that dull, silent idiot Lerner! Keep it going Tony!!
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{(50%+50%+50%)*1/3}+(-50%-50%)+50%
He's taking the piss now.
B O D M A S
Who does he play for?
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Wolves
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Couldn't have just said 'potentially 2 going out and if that happens, 2 coming in'
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The lion that gave Bella away hasn't been seen since. RIP Bella's dad
It's the Circle of Life.
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Tony's a nutter with this relentless percentages tweeting but I love him.
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I like what he's doing with social media anyway and have from the start but I'm particularly impressed that he's realised the time where he needs to be visible is in the transfer windows and his activity really reflects that. I believe this is a very smart cookie we're dealing with here. It's all about controlling the narrative (same as politics) and by being how he is on twitter he's completely bypassed the media and the bullshit ITK. I honestly wouldn't be surprised in the villatransfers account which has been pretty reliable is one that he either runs or that he feeds snippets too on purpose. Drop a name there, get a feel of how the fans see it and then back to Bruce/Round/Wyness to see if that changes whether they want them or not.
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Tone's talking about more ins and some outs. Ins and outs? Well, you might be referring to the time honoured procreative act colloquially known as fucking. Fucking rhymes with clucking, which is what a chicken does, and chickens are known for running around the place with no real purpose, not for their courage or effectiveness in a three-man midfield. Clucking, fucking. You might also hear yourself screaming 'fucking' - alongside the word 'hell' - when you see a certain name on the team sheet. Fucking hell, not that twat - AGAIN! Yes, that's right, the chickens have come home to roost for Ashley fucking Westwood!
3-2-1, oh, it's Dusty Bin.
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Drop a name there, get a feel of how the fans see it and then back to Bruce/Round/Wyness to see if that changes whether they want them or not.
And if he is doing that I hope the manager politely tells him to piss off.
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Tony's a nutter with this relentless percentages tweeting but I love him.
ffs don't introduce him to trump, the net would go into meltdown.
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Drop a name there, get a feel of how the fans see it and then back to Bruce/Round/Wyness to see if that changes whether they want them or not.
And if he is doing that I hope the manager politely tells him to piss off.
I doubt we would be signing players from Barnsley if that were the case.
Dr T is too clever by half, but that is better than being too stupid by three quarters.
Only a matter of time before differential equations relating to quantum physics are appearing on his twitter account. I can't wait.
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My take on this:
(50%+50%+50%)*1/3 = three options for one position, probably striker.
(-50%-50%) = two players leaving
+50% = a random other player coming in.
I agree although I think the one from three possibilities is a defender because there is a space for one of those anyway with Cissoko leaving. For me a defender that can play centre or left back would be ideal there.
The one coming in if two go out would be a striker and I'd guess Rhodes if McCormack and Ayew are sold.
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Couldn't have just said 'potentially 2 going out and if that happens, 2 coming in'
He could, but his transfer algebra is much more entertaining.
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Couldn't have just said 'potentially 2 going out and if that happens, 2 coming in'
Fuck that shit.
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Couldn't have just said 'potentially 2 going out and if that happens, 2 coming in'
Fuck that shit.
Fuck that two times.
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I love Tony Xia ! Never before in my wildest dreams did I think we'd be a mid table first division team generating the crowds and interest we are, I've heard it rumoured that smiles , fun and optimism are in the air.... step forward and take a bow Dr Tony & Thank you
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Our kid Tone likes a drink while he posts about football. I can relate :)
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Press and people speculating Dr's last tweet suggests Grealish is off.
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Hm, it's not really a "don't worry he's not for sale" is it...
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Press and people speculating Dr's last tweet suggests Grealish is off.
Is it a case of he can go if he solves the equation?
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Press and people speculating Dr's last tweet suggests Grealish is off.
I wish it was his last tweet.
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I can't see any Tweet about Grealish. Has it been deleted?
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I can't see any Tweet about Grealish. Has it been deleted?
It's still there, third one down. It's a reply to someone suggesting we shouldn't sell him.
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Unless it says "Grealish is off", I wouldn't get too wound up over it
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"We know what we should do, I'm one of yours but maybe just with more experience running business. It happened all the time if anyone is good"
I take this to mean, if you're good then others will always be interested in headhunting you. I don't think he's going to sell just yet.
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I've come to the conclusion that Dr T's tweets mean the square root of fuck all.
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Quite honestly I wish someone would delete his Twitter account.
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I quite like it. Harmless enough and engages with the fans.
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Quite honestly I wish someone would delete his Twitter account.
Same here, it will end in tears.
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what a curmudgeon you are - it's brilliant that we have someone who actually communicates after years of being owned by the invisible man who joined a Trappist society
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I don't think it will end in tears. How much worse could it be than what we've had to endure over the past six or so years? At the moment he's cutting through all the media bullshit, giving the fans a lift and showing a bit of personality into the bargain.
It's a new world now. Chairmen aren't local travel agents with a ten-year-old Bentley and a pork pie hat any more. Football has changed and the media has changed. He's shaping the narrative, and as we've all witnessed quite a lot in recent months, that's what matters most now. Besides, Tony's tweets are the very least of Villa's problems.
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I don't think it will end in tears. How much worse could it be than what we've had to endure over the past six or so years? At the moment he's cutting through all the media bullshit, giving the fans a lift and showing a bit of personality into the bargain.
It's a new world now. Chairmen aren't local travel agents with a ten-year-old Bentley and a pork pie hat any more. Football has changed and the media has changed. He's shaping the narrative, and as we've all witnessed quite a lot in recent months, that's what matters most now. Besides, Tony's tweets are the very least of Villa's problems.
You could have said exactly the same in 2006. That's why it could - not will - end in tears.
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When he tweets during the transfer window like he has done, that's fine and I'm sure fans do appreciate being kept up to date. I don't see any harm in that. It's when he comments on individual players and situations is where it gets a bit messy.
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what a curmudgeon you are - it's brilliant that we have someone who actually communicates after years of being owned by the invisible man who joined a Trappist society
If it were David Sullivan tweeting some of the nonsense he's posted people would be quite rightly mocking him on here.
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I don't think it will end in tears. How much worse could it be than what we've had to endure over the past six or so years? At the moment he's cutting through all the media bullshit, giving the fans a lift and showing a bit of personality into the bargain.
It's a new world now. Chairmen aren't local travel agents with a ten-year-old Bentley and a pork pie hat any more. Football has changed and the media has changed. He's shaping the narrative, and as we've all witnessed quite a lot in recent months, that's what matters most now. Besides, Tony's tweets are the very least of Villa's problems.
You could have said exactly the same in 2006. That's why it could - not will - end in tears.
No I couldn't. Hardly anybody knew what Twitter was then. If it ends in tears - and it might - it won't be because of Tony's tweets.
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There is no doubt Twitter can be a dangerous thing, but it is a sign of the times and quite honestly I feel proud we have a modern chairman and a leader who know what it takes to communicate. It's a delicate balance but he has it off to a tee. It might well end in tears but I'm with Jimbo in that it's what we (supporters) need right now
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what a curmudgeon you are - it's brilliant that we have someone who actually communicates after years of being owned by the invisible man who joined a Trappist society
If it were David Sullivan tweeting some of the nonsense he's posted people would be quite rightly mocking him on here.
Whilst not a twitterer (is that the correct title?) Like everyone else I see when posters put up his utterings. Can't think off hand of any that have been nonsense, Chris. As others have said I think they keep the fans interested and are obviously the in way of doing this nowadays. Agree that he should not slag off players or the like though, that is the managers job if he feels it needs to be done.
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I don't think it will end in tears. How much worse could it be than what we've had to endure over the past six or so years? At the moment he's cutting through all the media bullshit, giving the fans a lift and showing a bit of personality into the bargain.
It's a new world now. Chairmen aren't local travel agents with a ten-year-old Bentley and a pork pie hat any more. Football has changed and the media has changed. He's shaping the narrative, and as we've all witnessed quite a lot in recent months, that's what matters most now. Besides, Tony's tweets are the very least of Villa's problems.
You could have said exactly the same in 2006. That's why it could - not will - end in tears.
No I couldn't. Hardly anybody knew what Twitter was then. If it ends in tears - and it might - it won't be because of Tony's tweets.
Alright, you could have said it about supporter forums.
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what a curmudgeon you are - it's brilliant that we have someone who actually communicates after years of being owned by the invisible man who joined a Trappist society
If it were David Sullivan tweeting some of the nonsense he's posted people would be quite rightly mocking him on here.
I'm against Tony tweeting. If I have one criticism of him thus far, it is that he likes the limelight a little too much. There have been tweets in the past that made me think that Bruce and/or RDM would not appreciate. It was certainly disrespectful to Barnsley to start "friending" their players and to discuss the stages that the deals were at whilst they were still Barnsley players. I don't think it helps anyone and speaking for myself, I was never relaxed until it was announced officially in any case. 98% meant very little to me.
I'm really enjoying the Dr and life at Villa again but would prefer him not to Tweet as much, it just doesn't seem professional. I would prefer just occasional Tweets as we see from Wyness.
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Can't think off hand of any that have been nonsense
People have been quite selective in what they've posted on here Fred!
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I don't think it will end in tears. How much worse could it be than what we've had to endure over the past six or so years? At the moment he's cutting through all the media bullshit, giving the fans a lift and showing a bit of personality into the bargain.
It's a new world now. Chairmen aren't local travel agents with a ten-year-old Bentley and a pork pie hat any more. Football has changed and the media has changed. He's shaping the narrative, and as we've all witnessed quite a lot in recent months, that's what matters most now. Besides, Tony's tweets are the very least of Villa's problems.
You could have said exactly the same in 2006. That's why it could - not will - end in tears.
No I couldn't. Hardly anybody knew what Twitter was then. If it ends in tears - and it might - it won't be because of Tony's tweets.
Alright, you could have said it about supporter forums.
Forums were and are different, and the world is now different. We now have, whether we like it or not, a president of the US broadcasting to the world via Twitter. In fact, almost every public figure you can think of has a Twitter account. What is said is often less important than the fact that it's being said, and being said by a certain person. Today's Twitter spat is forgotten by tomorrow. If it goes tits up with Tony it'll be because of his actions. The fallout might be played out on Twitter, but Twitter won't be the reason why it ends in tears.
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Just to clarify, I think his Twittererererering will end in tears, not the entire Aston Villa 'project' or whatever we are to people who buy us.
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Just to clarify, I think his Twittererererering will end in tears, not the entire Aston Villa 'project' or whatever we are to people who buy us.
Well it certainly can't bring anything positive, so we're on a hiding to nothing.
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Just to clarify, I think his Twittererererering will end in tears, not the entire Aston Villa 'project' or whatever we are to people who buy us.
Is what I was saying, although it's different now, apparently.
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Just to clarify, I think his Twittererererering will end in tears, not the entire Aston Villa 'project' or whatever we are to people who buy us.
Is what I was saying, although it's different now, apparently.
I thought as much.
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At the start everyone loved General Krulak's posts on here, back when we were all swept up by enthusiasm for the new regime. It ended up with people mocking. I fear this will go the same way
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I doubt if there's anyone out there that can actually understand what Xia blabbers on about on Twitter anyway so I can't see what harm it does.
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It depends what you mean by 'end in tears'. Colossal twats like Donald Trump and Piers Morgan are coming out with some of the most ridiculous horseshit imaginable on Twitter. People mock them in their millions. None of it is doing them, or their careers, any actual harm. There's a limit to how many actual tears the good doctor's equations and mangled English can precipitate on Twitter. What's the worst that can happen?
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At the start everyone loved General Krulak's posts on here, back when we were all swept up by enthusiasm for the new regime. It ended up with people mocking. I fear this will go the same way
If Lerner was still an ambitious chairman till the end like he was in the early days then people would still be fawning over Krulak on forums till this day. It was only when Lerner gave up did people turn on Krulak, it was nothing to do with people just getting fed up for no reason other than familiarity or boredom.
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At the start everyone loved General Krulak's posts on here, back when we were all swept up by enthusiasm for the new regime. It ended up with people mocking. I fear this will go the same way
If Lerner was still an ambitious chairman till the end like he was in the early days then people would still be fawning over Krulak on forums till this day. It was only when Lerner gave up did people turn on Krulak, it was nothing to do with people just getting fed up for no reason other than familiarity or boredom.
Krulak gave up a long time before Lerner did, and the shit he was getting was the very definition of ending in tears.
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At the start everyone loved General Krulak's posts on here, back when we were all swept up by enthusiasm for the new regime. It ended up with people mocking. I fear this will go the same way
*coughs*
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At the start everyone loved General Krulak's posts on here, back when we were all swept up by enthusiasm for the new regime. It ended up with people mocking. I fear this will go the same way
Sooner or later he probably will come off twitter, particularly if some people on there keep insinuating that he's a crook (two in particular).
Right now, it's refreshing. We had ten years of near silence from Lerner, so having a owner and management structure who are willing to engage with us is a breath of fresh air.
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At the start everyone loved General Krulak's posts on here, back when we were all swept up by enthusiasm for the new regime. It ended up with people mocking. I fear this will go the same way
Sooner or later he probably will come off twitter, particularly if some people on there keep insinuating that he's a crook (two in particular).
Right now, it's refreshing. We had ten years of near silence from Lerner, so having a owner and management structure who are willing to engage with us is a breath of fresh air.
Well if he sells Grealish he'll be getting a bit of Twitter stick. Let's see how he copes with that.
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At the start everyone loved General Krulak's posts on here, back when we were all swept up by enthusiasm for the new regime. It ended up with people mocking. I fear this will go the same way
Sooner or later he probably will come off twitter, particularly if some people on there keep insinuating that he's a crook (two in particular).
Right now, it's refreshing. We had ten years of near silence from Lerner, so having a owner and management structure who are willing to engage with us is a breath of fresh air.
Well if he sells Grealish he'll be getting a bit of Twitter stick. Let's see how he copes with that.
Why would he get get the stick? Is it up to Bruce who he wants to let go?
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At the start everyone loved General Krulak's posts on here, back when we were all swept up by enthusiasm for the new regime. It ended up with people mocking. I fear this will go the same way
Sooner or later he probably will come off twitter, particularly if some people on there keep insinuating that he's a crook (two in particular).
Right now, it's refreshing. We had ten years of near silence from Lerner, so having a owner and management structure who are willing to engage with us is a breath of fresh air.
Well if he sells Grealish he'll be getting a bit of Twitter stick. Let's see how he copes with that.
Why would he get get the stick? Is it up to Bruce who he wants to let go?
Is it? I'm sure I heard Bruce say (back in December) that he has to sell a striker in January to fund some transfers.
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At the start everyone loved General Krulak's posts on here, back when we were all swept up by enthusiasm for the new regime. It ended up with people mocking. I fear this will go the same way
Sooner or later he probably will come off twitter, particularly if some people on there keep insinuating that he's a crook (two in particular).
Right now, it's refreshing. We had ten years of near silence from Lerner, so having a owner and management structure who are willing to engage with us is a breath of fresh air.
Well if he sells Grealish he'll be getting a bit of Twitter stick. Let's see how he copes with that.
Why would he get get the stick? Is it up to Bruce who he wants to let go?
You think everyone on Twitter is rational.
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Some of his cryptic (or total bollocks, depending on your viewpoint) posts that might or might not be about certain players aren't really a good idea. For instance if whatever he's posted today that might or might not be about selling Jack (who knows) could be misinterpreted by the player or his representatives as he doesn't (or does) want the player to stay (or go). No need to comment whatsoever, I do think some of his posts show a lack of class and respect, following Barnsley players we were keen on signing being one.
Is it the speedboat?
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I maintain that if we revisit this thread in two years time if we haven't been promoted then it could be a very different owner that we see. But that is just my view.
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I do quite like that fact that his transfer tweets piss off other team's fans. I think there's a bit of jealousy mixed in with their anger though.
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At the start everyone loved General Krulak's posts on here, back when we were all swept up by enthusiasm for the new regime. It ended up with people mocking. I fear this will go the same way
Sooner or later he probably will come off twitter, particularly if some people on there keep insinuating that he's a crook (two in particular).
Right now, it's refreshing. We had ten years of near silence from Lerner, so having a owner and management structure who are willing to engage with us is a breath of fresh air.
Well if he sells Grealish he'll be getting a bit of Twitter stick. Let's see how he copes with that.
Why would he get get the stick? Is it up to Bruce who he wants to let go?
Is it? I'm sure I heard Bruce say (back in December) that he has to sell a striker in January to fund some transfers.
And we then sold that striker to Middlesbrough didn't we?
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It's still relatively early days of his time as owner and it looks like he's trying to apply the same processes and motivational tactics to Villa that he has done to his (until proven otherwise) successful businesses. Once Villa can be classed as one of those, he may well fade into the background a bit.
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At the start everyone loved General Krulak's posts on here, back when we were all swept up by enthusiasm for the new regime. It ended up with people mocking. I fear this will go the same way
Sooner or later he probably will come off twitter, particularly if some people on there keep insinuating that he's a crook (two in particular).
Right now, it's refreshing. We had ten years of near silence from Lerner, so having a owner and management structure who are willing to engage with us is a breath of fresh air.
Well if he sells Grealish he'll be getting a bit of Twitter stick. Let's see how he copes with that.
Why would he get get the stick? Is it up to Bruce who he wants to let go?
Is it? I'm sure I heard Bruce say (back in December) that he has to sell a striker in January to fund some transfers.
And we then sold that striker to Middlesbrough didn't we?
Erm, yes. Well done.
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I think if Tony was doing this in isolation it could be a problem, but he isn't. The whole world is seemingly arguing with itself on Twitter, making tall claims or saying stupid things. What Tony says may well look daft, but it's mild in comparison to most. Eventually it all gets lost in a big gumbo of Twitter nonsense anyway. Ultimately, he will be judged on whether Villa are a success or not, and that's all. His Twitter activities will merely be a sideshow, and a relatively inconsequential one at that.
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Exactly Jimbo. Lerner's problems weren't because he didn't communicate that just exacerbated and exasperated audience. The problem was how he pulled the plug and watched the club disintegrate under his watch. He and Krulak may have started with best intentions but when it went wrong they mismanaged to relegation and who knows how much damage behind the scenes.
If things go south for Xia in terms of not going up but the club is run well then it is not likely that him having a twitter account will have any correlation with Lerner et al.
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As has been mentioned (possibly on another thread).
The first set of accounts will be telling.
If he's funding through debt then his twitterances will be flamed as basically self publicity.
If he's investing his own money, then as you say in the modern world, he can probably tweet away to heart's content.
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I read that the Dr is worth £900 million, if Lerner could not afford to bankroll the club, I cannot see how many seasons that the Dr would be prepared to do this if we stay in the Championship, his money will soon be gone.
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I read that the Dr is worth £900 million, if Lerner could not afford to bankroll the club, I cannot see how many seasons that the Dr would be prepared to do this if we stay in the Championship, his money will soon be gone.
The problem with Lerner is that he couldn't be bothered.
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Is the General's son still a Villa supporter and still telling Villa supporters how they should go about supporting the club?
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Pelty is still a H&V-er and an informative one at that.
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Pelty is still a H&V-er and an informative one at that.
That's him, remember him telling a Villa supporter of many years that he should go support Man United if he didn't like the way things were being done. Of course, that's how supporting a football team works.
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He said taking the piss now
{(75%-(75%+X))+50%+50%)*1/3}+(-95%-50%)+(+50%-50%)+50% #UTV
What the hell does that mean ?
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{(75%-(75%+X))+50%+50%)*1/3}+(-95%-50%)+(+50%-50%)+50% #UTV
I'm really excited now. Isn't it obvious what he's saying?
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{(75%-(75%+X))+50%+50%)*1/3}+(-95%-50%)+(+50%-50%)+50% #UTV
I'm really excited now. Isn't it obvious what he's saying?
I'll let you explain ;-)
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First part of this could be Jack out, Rhodes in plus cash 😳
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{(75%-(75%+X))+50%+50%)*1/3}+(-95%-50%)+(+50%-50%)+50% #UTV
I'm really excited now. Isn't it obvious what he's saying?
I'll let you explain ;-)
I'm really hoping it's the formula to tune my DVD recorder/player back in to the TV. We had a power cut two years ago and I can't fathom out how to retune it.
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He said taking the piss now
{(75%-(75%+X))+50%+50%)*1/3}+(-95%-50%)+(+50%-50%)+50% #UTV
What the hell does that mean ?
I prefer the words part of Countdown.
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{(75%-(75%+X))+50%+50%)*1/3}+(-95%-50%)+(+50%-50%)+50% #UTV
I'm really excited now. Isn't it obvious what he's saying?
I'll let you explain ;-)
I'm really hoping it's the formula to tune my DVD recorder/player back in to the TV. We had a power cut two years ago and I can't fathom out how to retune it.
HDMI lead, simples.
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First part of this could be Jack out, Rhodes in plus cash 😳
Could be, and suggests its 75% done rather than the other 2 options for a striker which are still 50%. Not sure I like this tweet
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How hilarious are these equation tweets.
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I think they're ace.
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{(75%-(75%+X))+50%+50%)*1/3}+(-95%-50%)+(+50%-50%)+50% #UTV
I'm really excited now. Isn't it obvious what he's saying?
I'll let you explain ;-)
I'm really hoping it's the formula to tune my DVD recorder/player back in to the TV. We had a power cut two years ago and I can't fathom out how to retune it.
HDMI lead, simples.
Got the lead it's just how to tune the damn thing in!
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First part of this could be Jack out, Rhodes in plus cash 😳
Could be, and suggests its 75% done rather than the other 2 options for a striker which are still 50%. Not sure I like this tweet
How about the Swansea thing & Ayew?
I personally wouldn't want to see Jack leave, if only because of his strong Villa connections. From a footballing point of view, I also think there could be more to come from him.
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I think they're ace.
I think they are a crock of shite because I can't work them out dammit!
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{(75%-(75%+X))+50%+50%)*1/3}+(-95%-50%)+(+50%-50%)+50% #UTV
I'm really excited now. Isn't it obvious what he's saying?
I'll let you explain ;-)
I'm really hoping it's the formula to tune my DVD recorder/player back in to the TV. We had a power cut two years ago and I can't fathom out how to retune it.
HDMI lead, simples.
Got the lead it's just how to tune the damn thing in!
youtube for all your basic needs :)
UTV
The Doc
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Thanks Doc!
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It's a tough wank
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`push nice and hard'
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{(75%-(75%+X))+50%+50%)*1/3}+(-95%-50%)+(+50%-50%)+50% #UTV
I'm really excited now. Isn't it obvious what he's saying?
I'll let you explain ;-)
So thats:
A 75% chance of a player coming in; in exchange for another player leaving + cash.
2 x 50:50 chances of a players coming in
But only ONE of the above three transfers can happen.
Then there's a 95% chance of someone leaving and a 50% chance of someone else leaving.
Plus another player coming in IF another player goes out - 50% chance
And then a further 50% chance of a player that isn't dependent on any other transfer.
UP THE VILLA
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{(75%-(75%+X))+50%+50%)*1/3}+(-95%-50%)+(+50%-50%)+50% #UTV
I'm really excited now. Isn't it obvious what he's saying?
I'll let you explain ;-)
So thats:
A 75% chance of a player coming in; in exchange for another player leaving + cash.
2 x 50:50 chances of a players coming in
But only ONE of the above three transfers can happen.
Then there's a 95% chance of someone leaving and a 50% chance of someone else leaving.
Plus another player coming in IF another player goes out - 50% chance
And then a further 50% chance of a player that isn't dependent on any other transfer.
UP THE VILLA
Well done!
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{(75%-(75%+X))+50%+50%)*1/3}+(-95%-50%)+(+50%-50%)+50% #UTV
I'm really excited now. Isn't it obvious what he's saying?
I'll let you explain ;-)
So thats:
A 75% chance of a player coming in; in exchange for another player leaving + cash.
2 x 50:50 chances of a players coming in
But only ONE of the above three transfers can happen.
Then there's a 95% chance of someone leaving and a 50% chance of someone else leaving.
Plus another player coming in IF another player goes out - 50% chance
And then a further 50% chance of a player that isn't dependent on any other transfer.
UP THE VILLA
Well done!
That would suggest Grealish is not the first part unless Rhodes is valued at more than him, which can't be right can it? As someone else said its more likely the Barrow/Ayew deal but even then I can't see Barrow being valued more than Ayew
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{(75%-(75%+X))+50%+50%)*1/3}+(-95%-50%)+(+50%-50%)+50% #UTV
I'm really excited now. Isn't it obvious what he's saying?
I'll let you explain ;-)
So thats:
A 75% chance of a player coming in; in exchange for another player leaving + cash.
2 x 50:50 chances of a players coming in
But only ONE of the above three transfers can happen.
Then there's a 95% chance of someone leaving and a 50% chance of someone else leaving.
Plus another player coming in IF another player goes out - 50% chance
And then a further 50% chance of a player that isn't dependent on any other transfer.
UP THE VILLA
Well done!
I would think that the (+50-50) could be a swap deal?
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I reckon McCormack is one of the outs.
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It could be a swap deal; or a separate deal where a player comes in if one goes out.
I think one of them has to be someone who plays at left back, as we have no depth there; and we now have way too many central midfielders, so we could lose a couple (possibly on loan).
And yes, the first bit doesn't look like it would include Grealish, as I'm sure he'd be worth at least as much as Rhodes, and probably more.
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Great work Tokyo. Are you in derivatives?
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I reckon McCormack is one of the outs.
That would be good, but not easy.
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Great work Tokyo. Are you in derivatives?
I know my BODMAS, and do a lot of work in Excel...
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I bought at the auctions a thing that looks like an old fashioned typewriter but it has wheels and cogs. On the front is a brass plate saying "Property of Bletchley Park Radio Manufacturers Ltd."
I put in Tony's tweet and it reads "U boat attack imminent on North Sea convoy. Inventor of bicycle kick believed on board. Not to be allowed to escape. Message ends."
Knew I should have bought the chicken shed.
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you're such an enigma Brian.
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{(75%-(75%+X))+50%+50%)*1/3}+(-95%-50%)+(+50%-50%)+50% #UTV
So thats:
A 75% chance of a player coming in; in exchange for another player leaving + cash.
2 x 50:50 chances of a players coming in
But only ONE of the above three transfers can happen.
Then there's a 95% chance of someone leaving and a 50% chance of someone else leaving.
Plus another player coming in IF another player goes out - 50% chance
And then a further 50% chance of a player that isn't dependent on any other transfer.
UP THE VILLA
75% chance of JORDAN RHODES - in exchange for McCORMACK/GREALISH/RICHARDS+ cash
or 50% chance at another striker (AKPOM?), or 50% chance of someone not yet speculated about.
95% chance of someone leaving? McCORMACK in a separate deal, or one of our surplus midfielders, or possibly someone out on loan.
50% chance of someone leaving? As above
50% chance of someone coming in IF someone else leaves - possible straight swap deal; or having to shift someone to get a replacement/upgrade.
50% chance not dependent on anyone else - possibly a reserve left back, as that's where we have no depth.
So I reckon a max of 3 new players coming in - a striker, a left back, and another player that isn't a central midfielder or a goalie; and maximum of 4 going out.
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{(75%-(75%+X))+50%+50%)*1/3}+(-95%-50%)+(+50%-50%)+50% #UTV
So thats:
A 75% chance of a player coming in; in exchange for another player leaving + cash.
2 x 50:50 chances of a players coming in
But only ONE of the above three transfers can happen.
Then there's a 95% chance of someone leaving and a 50% chance of someone else leaving.
Plus another player coming in IF another player goes out - 50% chance
And then a further 50% chance of a player that isn't dependent on any other transfer.
UP THE VILLA
75% chance of JORDAN RHODES - in exchange for McCORMACK or GREALISH or RICHARDS+ cash
or 50% chance at another striker (AKPOM?), or 50% chance of someone not yet speculated about.
95% chance of someone leaving? McCORMACK in a separate deal, or one of our surplus midfielders, or possibly someone out on loan.
50% chance of someone leaving? As above
50% chance of someone coming in IF someone else leaves - possible straight swap deal; or having to shift someone to get a replacement/upgrade.
50% chance not dependent on anyone else - possibly a reserve left back, as that's where we have no depth.
So I reckon a max of 3 new players coming in - a striker, a left back, and another player that isn't a central midfielder or a goalie; and maximum of 4 going out.
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Just Turing with you, Mr U, just Turing.
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i reckon one more maximum coming in. I'd be surprised at 3 more. Plus, I'm not sure that it's healthy in January to have that many coming in. Unless its the polar opposite of last January and we're building in January with next season in mind and hoping to get the players into a cohesive unit ready for August when only 2 or 3 more need to be added rather than 9 or 10.
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EDIT: Quoted when I was trying to modify.
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I think they're ace.
They make my day! Way better than sudoku (do people still do that?) any day of the week.
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I reckon McCormack is one of the outs.
Then one of those stats is going to need to become -120%. See also, Gabby.
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i reckon one more maximum coming in. I'd be surprised at 3 more. Plus, I'm not sure that it's healthy in January to have that many coming in. Unless its the polar opposite of last January and we're building in January with next season in mind and hoping to get the players into a cohesive unit ready for August when only 2 or 3 more need to be added rather than 9 or 10.
It would also fly in the face of Bruce's comments earlier in the month that the club has already had a turnover of players way too high over the past two summers. And then he signed four players in a week...
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i reckon one more maximum coming in. I'd be surprised at 3 more. Plus, I'm not sure that it's healthy in January to have that many coming in. Unless its the polar opposite of last January and we're building in January with next season in mind and hoping to get the players into a cohesive unit ready for August when only 2 or 3 more need to be added rather than 9 or 10.
It would also fly in the face of Bruce's comments earlier in the month that the club has already had a turnover of players way too high over the past two summers. And then he signed four players in a week...
I was told a possible of 3 coming in still as well which I was also surprised by.
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i reckon one more maximum coming in. I'd be surprised at 3 more. Plus, I'm not sure that it's healthy in January to have that many coming in. Unless its the polar opposite of last January and we're building in January with next season in mind and hoping to get the players into a cohesive unit ready for August when only 2 or 3 more need to be added rather than 9 or 10.
It would also fly in the face of Bruce's comments earlier in the month that the club has already had a turnover of players way too high over the past two summers. And then he signed four players in a week...
I was told a possible of 3 coming in still as well which I was also surprised by.
I guess If players become available then yo go for them. We need improved squad players as well and the need to shift some dead wood
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Ross McCormack plus cash for Scott Hogan.
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Ross McCormack plus cash for Scott Hogan.
Is that a rumour or you hoping?
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To go back a bit i think the people who are against him tweeting are missng the fact that professional isn't any more. The best of twitter are people who deal in bullshit, bantz or besties. Professional doesn't work on social media, it's the rules of the playground all over again.
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To go back a bit i think the people who are against him tweeting are missng the fact that professional isn't any more. The best of twitter are people who deal in bullshit, bantz or besties. Professional doesn't work on social media, it's the rules of the playground all over again.
Tell that to he nursing profession who love it
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Ross McCormack plus cash for Scott Hogan.
Is that a rumour or you hoping?
A wild guess.
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i reckon one more maximum coming in. I'd be surprised at 3 more. Plus, I'm not sure that it's healthy in January to have that many coming in. Unless its the polar opposite of last January and we're building in January with next season in mind and hoping to get the players into a cohesive unit ready for August when only 2 or 3 more need to be added rather than 9 or 10.
It would also fly in the face of Bruce's comments earlier in the month that the club has already had a turnover of players way too high over the past two summers. And then he signed four players in a week...
I thought it was more that we've signed too many squad players, and he only wants to bring in players that really improve us.
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To go back a bit i think the people who are against him tweeting are missng the fact that professional isn't any more. The best of twitter are people who deal in bullshit, bantz or besties. Professional doesn't work on social media, it's the rules of the playground all over again.
I've read that three times now and still don't understand!
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I really don't want Rhodes. He is even less mobile than McFatmack
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To go back a bit i think the people who are against him tweeting are missng the fact that professional isn't any more. The best of twitter are people who deal in bullshit, bantz or besties. Professional doesn't work on social media, it's the rules of the playground all over again.
I've read that three times now and still don't understand!
likewise, Chris.
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It makes sense if you read it on Twitter.
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I really don't want Rhodes. He is even less mobile than McFatmack
Have you seen much of him? It's a genuine question, rather than a dig.
I haven't and was against signing him when he was first linked (in the summer). Based purely on his YT videos, I've changed my opinion. He looks stronger, bigger and more mobile than I thought he would be.
I'm just getting a tad worried as I think he'll sign. There appears to be a lot on here who would be against the signing.
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Like it or not social media is the upmost professional tool. We've stepped into the 21st century and have a chairman who appears to be both modern thinking and refreshing. Long may it continue
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The equations are ace. How many windows have we had whereby nothing or very little has happened?
These show deals that may or may not materialise but at least it shows endeavour and hope.....
Go for it Dr X
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To go back a bit i think the people who are against him tweeting are missng the fact that professional isn't any more. The best of twitter are people who deal in bullshit, bantz or besties. Professional doesn't work on social media, it's the rules of the playground all over again.
I've read that three times now and still don't understand!
He said "To go back a bit i think the people who are against him tweeting are missng the fact that professional isn't any more. The best of twitter are people who deal in bullshit, bantz or besties. Professional doesn't work on social media, it's the rules of the playground all over again."
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Told my wife I don't want Rhodes either ok she said Corfu it is
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Ross McCormack plus cash for Scott Hogan.
Is that a rumour or you hoping?
It's a WAG. (wild arse guess)
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I really don't want Rhodes. He is even less mobile than McFatmack
Have you seen much of him? It's a genuine question, rather than a dig.
I haven't and was against signing him when he was first linked (in the summer). Based purely on his YT videos, I've changed my opinion. He looks stronger, bigger and more mobile than I thought he would be.
I'm just getting a tad worried as I think he'll sign. There appears to be a lot on here who would be against the signing.
Yes I have. Also checking on his current team's fans...They also back that up. So that's not a good sign. Don't get me wrong I will back Bruce of course but this one signing worries me. Everything else has been good!
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I really don't want Rhodes. He is even less mobile than McFatmack
Have you seen much of him? It's a genuine question, rather than a dig.
I haven't and was against signing him when he was first linked (in the summer). Based purely on his YT videos, I've changed my opinion. He looks stronger, bigger and more mobile than I thought he would be.
I'm just getting a tad worried as I think he'll sign. There appears to be a lot on here who would be against the signing.
Yes I have. Also checking on his current team's fans...They also back that up. So that's not a good sign. Don't get me wrong I will back Bruce of course but this one signing worries me. Everything else has been good!
I haven't seen him play but is he just a finisher , or a target man as well who hold it up ?
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I really don't want Rhodes. He is even less mobile than McFatmack
Have you seen much of him? It's a genuine question, rather than a dig.
I haven't and was against signing him when he was first linked (in the summer). Based purely on his YT videos, I've changed my opinion. He looks stronger, bigger and more mobile than I thought he would be.
I'm just getting a tad worried as I think he'll sign. There appears to be a lot on here who would be against the signing.
Yes I have. Also checking on his current team's fans...They also back that up. So that's not a good sign. Don't get me wrong I will back Bruce of course but this one signing worries me. Everything else has been good!
Cheers. In an ideal world, we could do with someone with strength AND pace. Rhodes has had 12 months of stagnation and has hardly kicked a ball for 6 months. The big worry for me is that certain players fit in with certain playing styles-A classic example being McCormack. If we are going to be playing lots of balls into the box then you'd back Rhodes to score a few. However, currently, dangerous balls into the box are at a premium. Preston was encouraging though and hopefully is the sign of things to come.
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I don't think McCormack has shown any kind of playing style with us. If he took his job seriously perhaps he could be accommodated better.
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I don't think McCormack has shown any kind of playing style with us. If he took his job seriously perhaps he could be accommodated better.
I think he started the season well, linking especially with Grealish. He got injured and when he came back the manager had changed.
He is a number 10 who plays off a number 9. It is not Bruce's way so regardless of current issues, he was never going to be starting games or us.
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As i've said previously, when we signed Gestede a couple of Blackburn season ticket holders were gutted we'd got him as they rated him more highly than Rhodes. Scary.
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{(75%-(75%+X))+50%+50%)*1/3}+(-95%-50%-50%-50%)+50%+90%#UTV
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{(75%-(75%+X))+50%+50%)*1/3}+(-95%-50%-50%-50%)+50%+90%#UTV
Which I think means three ins and four outs.
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{(75%-(75%+X))+50%+50%)*1/3}+(-95%-50%-50%-50%)+50%+90%#UTV
Which I think means three ins and four outs.
Five outs I think, as there's also one in the first deal.
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To go back a bit i think the people who are against him tweeting are missng the fact that professional isn't any more. The best of twitter are people who deal in bullshit, bantz or besties. Professional doesn't work on social media, it's the rules of the playground all over again.
I've read that three times now and still don't understand!
likewise, Chris.
I shouldn't post whilst walking through new street. Let me try to clear it up:
If you look at the companies who've done really well on twitter it's generally not the ones who do what would be defined as traditionally professional.
Take the piss with customers and competitors and you'll do well (Wendy's are a great example). Be overly familiar and matey and you're fine. Post some absolute rubbish and you get attention.
What Xia is doing is working because it's getting people talking about him and the club. Look at the transfer tweets, what he's really doing is taking control of the rumours but he doesn't really give anything much away, it's just theatre.
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{(75%-(75%+X))+50%+50%)*1/3}+(-95%-50%-50%-50%)+50%+90%#UTV
Carol Vorderman might know the answer to that one.
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yes it's doesn't my arse look like the size of a small planet in this?
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To go back a bit i think the people who are against him tweeting are missng the fact that professional isn't any more. The best of twitter are people who deal in bullshit, bantz or besties. Professional doesn't work on social media, it's the rules of the playground all over again.
I've read that three times now and still don't understand!
likewise, Chris.
I shouldn't post whilst walking through new street. Let me try to clear it up:
If you look at the companies who've done really well on twitter it's generally not the ones who do what would be defined as traditionally professional.
Take the piss with customers and competitors and you'll do well (Wendy's are a great example). Be overly familiar and matey and you're fine. Post some absolute rubbish and you get attention.
What Xia is doing is working because it's getting people talking about him and the club. Look at the transfer tweets, what he's really doing is taking control of the rumours but he doesn't really give anything much away, it's just theatre.
Agree with this. Don't take them too seriously, garner what insight you can from them, and its fine.
If you can become POTUS while shit-posting on Twitter it obviously doesn't bother people that much. At least we actually learn stuff from our Tone!
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Not sure football has seen anything like this before ... The Dr must be really pissing the media off as the have nothing to write about apart from repeating and talking about him and his tweets. He and they are are making the news not the press making shit up.
If a storys not true its rubbished quickly... if theres something to be said he makes sure he says it.
Probably only in football this approach would work with the feroucious 24/7 demand from fans for news. Hes sussed this out quickly.
Shows he really his a smart fortune cookie !!!
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To go back a bit i think the people who are against him tweeting are missng the fact that professional isn't any more. The best of twitter are people who deal in bullshit, bantz or besties. Professional doesn't work on social media, it's the rules of the playground all over again.
I've read that three times now and still don't understand!
likewise, Chris.
I shouldn't post whilst walking through new street. Let me try to clear it up:
If you look at the companies who've done really well on twitter it's generally not the ones who do what would be defined as traditionally professional.
Take the piss with customers and competitors and you'll do well (Wendy's are a great example). Be overly familiar and matey and you're fine. Post some absolute rubbish and you get attention.
What Xia is doing is working because it's getting people talking about him and the club. Look at the transfer tweets, what he's really doing is taking control of the rumours but he doesn't really give anything much away, it's just theatre.
Agree with this. Don't take them too seriously, garner what insight you can from them, and its fine.
If you can become POTUS while shit-posting on Twitter it obviously doesn't bother people that much. At least we actually learn stuff from our Tone!
Both correct.
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{(75%-(75%+X))+50%+50%)*1/3}+(-95%-50%-50%-50%)+50%+90%#UTV
75% chance of a part exchange deal - 1 in, 1 out + cash OR
50% of 1 of 2 players coming in, if the deal above falls through.
THEN
4 players potentially leaving - chances are 95% almost certain, and 3x 50% chances
THEN
1 player coming in at 50% chance; AND
1 player coming in at 90% chance (Bedeau?)
So that's potentially 3 more players in; and up to 5 out.
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Good job we've got Alan Turing on the case
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Or send three and four pence we're going to a dance.
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Really glad that some of us (Tokyo) can do maths. Haven't a clue.
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All I take from this is that things are happening behind the scenes to (we hope) improve is overall as a club. That unlike frustrating past windows we are very active and between Round/Bruce/Wyness with the support of Xia we are determined to fix what's broken. The Doc is having a bit of fun with this. I don't see anything too worth getting worked up about this or most of what he tweets.
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Isn't there one too many or one too few brackets in the first half of the formula ?
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EDIT - Used a smaller pic. Larger pics of Kaley Redsox nee Cuoco are readily available on the internet ;)
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Yes - there should be another normal bracket before the first 75%.
Come on Tony - standards slipping :)
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Isn't there one too many or one too few brackets in the first half of the formula ?
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EDIT - Used a smaller pic. Larger pics of Kaley Redsox nee Cuoco are readily available on the internet ;)
How many Mrs Redsox' are there?! I thought Maria Kirilenko was the one!
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Now he is taking the piss... still thanks for posting a picture of Penny
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{(75%-(75%+X))+50%+50%)*1/3}+(-95%-50%-50%-50%)+50%+90%#UTV
75% chance of a part exchange deal - 1 in, 1 out + cash OR
50% of 1 of 2 players coming in, if the deal above falls through.
THEN
4 players potentially leaving - chances are 95% almost certain, and 3x 50% chances
THEN
1 player coming in at 50% chance; AND
1 player coming in at 90% chance (Bedeau?)
So that's potentially 3 more players in; and up to 5 out.
What's the 'X'?
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What's the 'X'?
Money as part of a player exchange
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How many Mrs Redsox' are there?! I thought Maria Kirilenko was the one!
Maria ran off and got tupped up by some Russian politician
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Now he is taking the piss... still thanks for posting a picture of Penny
She really is wonderful
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{(75%-(75%+X))+50%+50%)*1/3}+(-95%-50%-50%-50%)+50%+90%#UTV
75% chance of a part exchange deal - 1 in, 1 out + cash OR
50% of 1 of 2 players coming in, if the deal above falls through.
THEN
4 players potentially leaving - chances are 95% almost certain, and 3x 50% chances
THEN
1 player coming in at 50% chance; AND
1 player coming in at 90% chance (Bedeau?)
So that's potentially 3 more players in; and up to 5 out.
Genius, maybe?
Well if you are that's a very busy window and especially for a January one.
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I'm totally baffled by Dr Tony's latest tweet! Any mathematicians out there??
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I'm totally baffled by Dr Tony's latest tweet! Any mathematicians out there??
*paging Tokyo Sexwhale, Tokyo Sexwhale to the Tony's Tweets thread, thank you*
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Three people in the frame for one position, one deal is 95% certain relying on 95% confidence in one going the other way plus cash (Taylor/Ayew?) and if it doesn’t happen then the other two are now at 10 and 20% respectively possibly based on the advanced nature of the other one.
Three people leaving, one at 99% (Tish?) and others at 65 and 50% so one from earlier has dropped off the radar
Two people coming in one at 50% and the other at 95% (Bedeau?).
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Not Bedeau, SB said almost done and no mention anywhere in the press!
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Not Bedeau, SB said almost done and no mention anywhere in the press!
Ooooh...<clappy hands in nervous excitement!>
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Arise, Benni McCarthy.
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{(95%-(95%+X))+10%+20%)*1/3}+(-99%-65%-50%)+50%+95%
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Three people in the frame for one position, one deal is 95% certain relying on 95% confidence in one going the other way plus cash (Taylor/Ayew?) and if it doesn’t happen then the other two are now at 10 and 20% respectively possibly based on the advanced nature of the other one.
Three people leaving, one at 99% (Tish?) and others at 65 and 50% so one from earlier has dropped off the radar
Two people coming in one at 50% and the other at 95% (Bedeau?).
That is a smart analysis and makes sense to me.
Are you the good Doc's Scottish cousin?
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As long as all the inbounds give it the full (10%^2)+(30%*1/3) then I'll be happy.
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{(95%-(95%+X))+10%+20%)*1/3}+(-99%-65%-50%)+50%+95%
My take on this: -
(95%-(95%+X))+10%+20%)*1/3} – 95% Taylor to Villa. 95% Ayew to Swansea + £X to us. 10% Mo Beddow 20% unknown player. Only 1/3 is likely to happen.
(-99%-65%-50%) – players leaving. 99% Tish. 65% McGate. 50% unknown (hopefully not Grealish?!)
+50% Rhodes coming in
+95% Bedeau coming in
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-99 Tshibola ?
-95 Ayew ?
-65 McCormack ?
-50 ?
+95 Taylor ?
+95 Mystery player not been mentioned ?
+50 Rhodes ?
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SB on pre-match conference said that he's had no calls at all ref RM!
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65% is a new twist
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SB on pre-match conference said that he's had no calls at all ref RM!
Is he being deliberately obtuse? Maybe a deal has been done with someone over Facebook Messenger, maybe Skype or maybe even Snapchat.
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65% is a new twist
I think it's just a 50% up to 65% while one of the 50% ones has dropped off the radar completely from the stuff on the 28th.
It could equally be a recipe for one complete footballer in a Mr Potato Head type game...
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N.B. Any potato based reference is purely coincidental and in no way refers to any AV manager
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SB on pre-match conference said that he's had no calls at all ref RM!
Is he being deliberately obtuse? Maybe a deal has been done with someone over Facebook Messenger, maybe Skype or maybe even Snapchat.
My reading of things is that RM isn't referred to at all in Dr X's equations.
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SB on pre-match conference said that he's had no calls at all ref RM!
Is he being deliberately obtuse? Maybe a deal has been done with someone over Facebook Messenger, maybe Skype or maybe even Snapchat.
eBay?
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SB on pre-match conference said that he's had no calls at all ref RM!
Is he being deliberately obtuse? Maybe a deal has been done with someone over Facebook Messenger, maybe Skype or maybe even Snapchat.
eBay?
Phone ahead befor collection, as access to the property can be tricky.
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if they've had no interest at all in R McC, then perhaps they parked that idea for this window and he'll have a chance to get himself sorted out so we can at least ask a fee for him !
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{(95%-(95%+X))+10%+20%)*1/3}+(-99%-65%-50%)+50%+95%
There's now a 95% chance of the player+cash swap. (Probably Ayew-Taylor).
That means the other two chances have reduced from 50% to 10 & 20%.
Only 1 of 3 will happen.
Three players going out - 99% chance, 65% and 50% - this has reduced from 4 going out, so probably excludes Tshibola.
Two players coming in - 50% and 95% chance. If 95% chance is Bedeau, then 50% chance could be this "big name".
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Well it isn't Akpom - he is signing for Brighton.
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..then 50% chance could be this "big name".
Any theories as to who the big name could be? Vennegoor of Hesselink is a big name, could be him.
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What big name ?
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Ronaldo de Assis Moreira is a big name.
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SB on pre-match conference said that he's had no calls at all ref RM!
Is he being deliberately obtuse? Maybe a deal has been done with someone over Facebook Messenger, maybe Skype or maybe even Snapchat.
I can just imagine a bid being made over Snapchat. You get 10 seconds to view the bid and then it disappears. Might as well bid £500m for Messi through Snapchat!
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Ronaldo de Assis Moreira is a big name.
So is Chris Bart-Williams
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You may add Forbes Phillipson-Masters to that list as well.
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Jan Venegoor of Hesselink
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does this mean it's not going to be Jo then ?
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We're all missing the obvious.
They said it was a big name...but could they have meant it was a (Shane) Long name?
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The Notorious B.I.G., Biggie, or Biggie Smalls
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More algebra:
{(99%-(99%+X))+0.5%+0.5%)*1/3}+(-100%-95%-65%)+50%+95%#UTV
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Christ. Tokyo Sexwhale? Anyone seen Tokyo Sexwhale?
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I'll have a go now that Tokyo has cracked the enigma code.
Taylor for Ayew + cash. no other deal happening.
1 definitely out (Tish? 1 very likely, 1 more than likely)
coming in one still 50/50 and more almost certainly.
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So the Taylor+cash for Ayew deal is 99% done, which means there's no need for the alternative options.
The deal is done for the one outgoing player, another is very close and the other is making progress.
Of the 2 other possible deals for incoming players, one is almost done and the other hasn't made any progress and may or may not happen.
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More algebra:
{(99%-(99%+X))+0.5%+0.5%)*1/3}+(-100%-95%-65%)+50%+95%#UTV
It's pretty much the same as last time, but with the % chance changed.
First one is almost certain 99% chance of a player exchange + cash. Almost certainly this is the Ayew - Taylor + cash deal.
If that falls through, there are 2 x 0.5% backups; but as the main deal is almost done, these won't happen.
Three players going out - 1 x 100% certain; 1 x 95% certain, the other 65% chance.
Two more players coming in - 1 x 50% chance; 1 x 95% chance (Bedeau?)
So a maximum of 3 in, and 4 out.
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I don't know why the Tish loan would be the one that's 100%, otherwise why not include all the other deals we've done this month and just complicate the hell out of the equation?
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There were previously 4 OUTS in that part of the equation; I assumed Tshibola was the one that was removed.
The 100% must be signed and sealed, but not yet announced.
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There were previously 4 OUTS in that part of the equation; I assumed Tshibola was the one that was removed.
The 100% must be signed and sealed, but not yet announced.
That's what I would think too but it's amazing that we can get some deals so far along without anyone getting a sniff of them.
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If the first part of Tony's equation is the Ayew - Taylor deal; it should really be:
(99%+X)-99%
((Taylor+cash)-Ayew).
The way he's put it suggests we're paying cash+Ayew for Taylor!
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No, quite the opposite. Coming in is a player + x = cash.
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But then the cash should be bracketed with Taylor, as the cash is coming in not going out.
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it is isn't it (Taylor + cash) - Ayew. So we get Taylor + cash - bracketed together - and they get Ayew?
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Someone delete his Twitter account can they, or at the very least get a human trained in PR and social media to do your tweets.
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Just you, me and Dave W who hold that view I think Jon.
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I think the 100% out is Tish, and Dr X has just got his equation a little mixed up for the cash coming in as part of the Ayex/Taylor deal (we wouldn't be paying them cash surely). It should be written as (-99%+(99%+X)) or (99%+X-(99%))
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Originally the first part of the equation we thought was three options for a striker so if its the Taylor deal, was it three options for a left back, which if so, seems odd?!?
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Just you, me and Dave W who hold that view I think Jon.
(CJ+DW+JC) x silent majority
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I'd rather this than Randy Shunnamite Lerner's approach.
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Let's face it there is an unwritten law that requires our owner, whoever it is, to be somewhat of an embarrassment.
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I bet most clubs in the division (and even the one above) would love to have an owner that is as much of an "embarassment" as ours. Splashing cash all over the place and reinvigorating the club.
I like his Tweets, when they are strange and cryptic. I do think we might have an issue when he loses his temper with a player/manager etc and vents his spleen on Twitter only to leave himself open to claims of constructive dismissal.
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I like Tone, but so far the net spend this window is pretty low.
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The net spend this Summer was massive. This window we have brought in players in positions that were lacking while moving on players that were, largely, peripheral or unwanted by many fans.
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I like Tone, but so far the net spend this window is pretty low.
I believe they call it wheeling and dealing.
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I like Tone, but so far the net spend this window is pretty low.
I believe it's called being smart with your money. Would it feel better to you if Lansbury cost 6m, Hourihane cost 5m and Thor cost 8m? We'd be getting the same players, just out of pocket by several million with a very healthy net spend.
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I like Tone, but so far the net spend this window is pretty low.
I believe it's called being smart with your money. Would it feel better to you if Lansbury cost 6m, Hourihane cost 5m and Thor cost 8m? We'd be getting the same players, just out of pocket by several million with a very healthy net spend.
Yeah, we spent like drunk sailors during the summer and basically paid what was on the tin for everyone, although to an extent we had to given the lack of quality in the squad (plus, people would undoubtedly have whinged if, say, instead of paying for Elphick, we'd spent a couple million on a promising League 1 centreback). I hope this window is an indication that we can achieve the right balance in terms of being value-minded, but being willing to shell out for the right players (Kodjia and Chester, particularly).
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I like Tone, but so far the net spend this window is pretty low.
I believe it's called being smart with your money. Would it feel better to you if Lansbury cost 6m, Hourihane cost 5m and Thor cost 8m? We'd be getting the same players, just out of pocket by several million with a very healthy net spend.
No, but the quote was 'splashing the cash' In the summer we spent some of the parachute payment and in this window we have pretty much broken even.
Like I said I like Tone, but so far we have hardly gone crazy cash wise.
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Nor should we.
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For a small net outlay , we would appear to have a much stronger, balanced squad better suited for a play off push.
What's not to be liked with that?
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Nor should we.
No. And that was not the point of the comment. It was a response to a comment that teams would be jealous that we are splashing the cash all over the place when in reality in this window so far we are pretty much breaking even.
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Precisely old timer. The name of the game is a return to the Premiership. If and when that happens and I believe Steve Bruce is the manager to do it, that is when the really big sums have to be spent to remain in the top flight.
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I like Tone, but so far the net spend this window is pretty low.
I believe it's called being smart with your money. Would it feel better to you if Lansbury cost 6m, Hourihane cost 5m and Thor cost 8m? We'd be getting the same players, just out of pocket by several million with a very healthy net spend.
No, but the quote was 'splashing the cash' In the summer we spent some of the parachute payment and in this window we have pretty much broken even.
Like I said I like Tone, but so far we have hardly gone crazy cash wise.
The primary purpose of parachute payments is not a transfer kitty, it's to cover the existing wages during a period of shrinking income.
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And it isn't all about throwing money at the team. That just doesn't work.
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What is it, something like this?
£6m Rudy
£5m approx Barnsley boys
£3.5m Lansbury
£x(3?)m Thor
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This window has been absolutely fantastic. We have bought in Hourihane, Lansbury & Bree for more or less the money we received for Gestede. We had to bring them in now because they were all due to become free agents in the summer. It is also clear to anyone that we needed a keeper. This just leaves Bjarnson, who we bought in for less than £2 million.
Today we appear to be swapping Ayew for Taylor plus £5 million. It looks like we could then be buying a striker for circa £10 million, leaving us with a total outlay of around £7 million (excluding any other money that may come in today)
A fantastic window and one that was definitely needed. Its crazy that 2 weeks ago, many on here were moaning about the lack of activity.
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I like Tone, but so far the net spend this window is pretty low.
I believe it's called being smart with your money. Would it feel better to you if Lansbury cost 6m, Hourihane cost 5m and Thor cost 8m? We'd be getting the same players, just out of pocket by several million with a very healthy net spend.
No, but the quote was 'splashing the cash' In the summer we spent some of the parachute payment and in this window we have pretty much broken even.
Like I said I like Tone, but so far we have hardly gone crazy cash wise.
We've spent about £50 million, excluding sales.
Feel free to point out all the Championship clubs who have spent more.
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I like Tone, but so far the net spend this window is pretty low.
I believe it's called being smart with your money. Would it feel better to you if Lansbury cost 6m, Hourihane cost 5m and Thor cost 8m? We'd be getting the same players, just out of pocket by several million with a very healthy net spend.
No, but the quote was 'splashing the cash' In the summer we spent some of the parachute payment and in this window we have pretty much broken even.
Like I said I like Tone, but so far we have hardly gone crazy cash wise.
We've spent about £50 million, excluding sales.
Feel free to point out all the Championship clubs who have spent more.
Why would you exclude sales?
Gueye - £7.1m
Clark - £5m
Traore (?)
Callum Robinson?
Gestede - £6m
Ayew - c£7m?
Like I said I'm happy with Tone and yes hes spent a chunk of the parachute payment. But your comment, made at this time of year, inferred we are splashing cash all over the place this window, whereas that is not the reality YET.
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only Newcastle come close, obviously, but the point is we spent the Benteke money plus one or two other sums very badly, then went and repeated the trick this past summer - mainly because we appointed the wrong management team. if Bruce had been here from the get go very few of RDM's buys would have been considered - with the obvious exception of Kodja and Chester. This window has been the polar opposite ; very good midfield acquisitions, a lot of fringe players gone, money in and little in the way of additional outlay. Chin up.
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Just you, me and Dave W who hold that view I think Jon.
(CJ+DW+JC) x silent majority
If they're silent how do you know they're the majority?
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{(99.9%-(99.9%+X))+0.01%+0.01%)*1/3}+(-100%-99.9%-{(-50%-65%-50%)*1/3}+95%+99%#ThatsAllForJanWindow#UTV
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{(99.9%-(99.9%+X))+0.01%+0.01%)*1/3}+(-100%-99.9%-{(-50%-65%-50%)*1/3}+95%+99%#ThatsAllForJanWindow#UTV
glad that is all cleared up
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{(99.9%-(99.9%+X))+0.01%+0.01%)*1/3}+(-100%-99.9%-{(-50%-65%-50%)*1/3}+95%+99%#ThatsAllForJanWindow#UTV
glad that is all cleared up
Yep, thought as much.
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I like Tone, but so far the net spend this window is pretty low.
I believe it's called being smart with your money. Would it feel better to you if Lansbury cost 6m, Hourihane cost 5m and Thor cost 8m? We'd be getting the same players, just out of pocket by several million with a very healthy net spend.
No, but the quote was 'splashing the cash' In the summer we spent some of the parachute payment and in this window we have pretty much broken even.
Like I said I like Tone, but so far we have hardly gone crazy cash wise.
We've spent about £50 million, excluding sales.
Feel free to point out all the Championship clubs who have spent more.
Why would you exclude sales?
Gueye - £7.1m
Clark - £5m
Traore (?)
Callum Robinson?
Gestede - £6m
Ayew - c£7m?
Like I said I'm happy with Tone and yes hes spent a chunk of the parachute payment. But your comment, made at this time of year, inferred we are splashing cash all over the place this window, whereas that is not the reality YET.
Sorry, meant if you deduct sales. We've spent about £50 million in total. I seem to have exaggerated though, it's probably about £30 million... an absolute fortune for a club in our position. And that's before you count the cost of hiring/firing management teams.
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Well at least it means that we have our targets almost wrapped up.
The only thing left is to see who leaves.
Not sure if the -100% refers to Tish or not but apart from that, we have another one definitely going out and then one of 3 others going. Looks like Westwood, Ayew and at least one more, possibly 2 more to leave.
I'm calling it now, the striker is Hogan. I thought it strange when I listened to Bruce yesterday when he mentioned about previous players he'd signed from Brentford. It just sounded peculiar and out of context when he was describing what a success story the club was.
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I'd rather this than Randy Shunnamite Lerner's approach.
Lerner's transfer tweets from this time last year would have been a lot easier to decipher. 0%+0%+0%+0%=0%
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{(99.9%-(99.9%+X))+0.01%+0.01%)*1/3}+(-100%-99.9%-{(-50%-65%-50%)*1/3}+95%+99%#ThatsAllForJanWindow#UTV
glad that is all cleared up
One in and one out (+cash) = 99.9% chance
If for some reason that fails, then there are 1 of 2 options, but now unlikely.
1 certain OUT, and 1 almost certain OUT
Then 1 of 3 players OUT 50%: 65% : 50% chance - so whoever the 65% is, is most likely, but far from certain.
Then, the most interesting bit -
1 player IN at 95% chance; and another IN at 99% chance.
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I like Tone, but so far the net spend this window is pretty low.
I believe it's called being smart with your money. Would it feel better to you if Lansbury cost 6m, Hourihane cost 5m and Thor cost 8m? We'd be getting the same players, just out of pocket by several million with a very healthy net spend.
No, but the quote was 'splashing the cash' In the summer we spent some of the parachute payment and in this window we have pretty much broken even.
Like I said I like Tone, but so far we have hardly gone crazy cash wise.
We've spent about £50 million, excluding sales.
Feel free to point out all the Championship clubs who have spent more.
If we'd spent £100 million we might sneak into a play off place.
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{(99.9%-(99.9%+X))+0.01%+0.01%)*1/3}+(-100%-99.9%-{(-50%-65%-50%)*1/3}+95%+99%#ThatsAllForJanWindow#UTV
glad that is all cleared up
One in and one out (+cash) = 99.9% chance
If for some reason that fails, then there are 1 of 2 options, but now unlikely.
1 certain OUT, and 1 almost certain OUT
Then 1 of 3 players OUT 50%: 65% : 50% chance - so whoever the 65% is, is most likely, but far from certain.
Then, the most interesting bit -
1 player IN at 95% chance; and another IN at 99% chance.
Sex whale you have done it again
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I like Tone, but so far the net spend this window is pretty low.
I believe it's called being smart with your money. Would it feel better to you if Lansbury cost 6m, Hourihane cost 5m and Thor cost 8m? We'd be getting the same players, just out of pocket by several million with a very healthy net spend.
No, but the quote was 'splashing the cash' In the summer we spent some of the parachute payment and in this window we have pretty much broken even.
Like I said I like Tone, but so far we have hardly gone crazy cash wise.
We've spent about £50 million, excluding sales.
Feel free to point out all the Championship clubs who have spent more.
Why would you exclude sales?
Gueye - £7.1m
Clark - £5m
Traore (?)
Callum Robinson?
Gestede - £6m
Ayew - c£7m?
Like I said I'm happy with Tone and yes hes spent a chunk of the parachute payment. But your comment, made at this time of year, inferred we are splashing cash all over the place this window, whereas that is not the reality YET.
Sorry, meant if you deduct sales. We've spent about £50 million in total. I seem to have exaggerated though, it's probably about £30 million... an absolute fortune for a club in our position. And that's before you count the cost of hiring/firing management teams.
According to this site, excluding any business today, we've spent approx. £25m
http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/championship/transfers/wettbewerb/GB2
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Then, the most interesting bit -
1 player IN at 95% chance; and another IN at 99% chance.
Yeah that's what I focused on too. If one of them isn't Bedeau then is that Rhodes and Hogan? I wouldn't think we'd get two strikers so is it Lee and Hogan but do we need another midfielder? Perhaps we do if Pointy goes.
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The guardian had it at 67m, slightly behind Leicester of the prem and the barcodes who both spent around 71m- not sure if that includes wages. Maybe it was for last season, can't be arsed to check.
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{(99.9%-(99.9%+X))+0.01%+0.01%)*1/3}+(-100%-99.9%-{(-50%-65%-50%)*1/3}+95%+99%#ThatsAllForJanWindow#UTV
So presumably
Ayew out, Taylor in + £4m
{(99.9%-(99.9%+X))+0.01%+0.01%)*1/3}+(-100%-99.9%-{(-50%-65%-50%)*1/3}+95%+99%#ThatsAllForJanWindow#UTV
glad that is all cleared up
One in and one out (+cash) = 99.9% chance
If for some reason that fails, then there are 1 of 2 options, but now unlikely.
1 certain OUT, and 1 almost certain OUT
Then 1 of 3 players OUT 50%: 65% : 50% chance - so whoever the 65% is, is most likely, but far from certain.
Then, the most interesting bit -
1 player IN at 95% chance; and another IN at 99% chance.
Sex whale you have done it again
glad that is all cleared up
One in and one out (+cash) = 99.9% chance
If for some reason that fails, then there are 1 of 2 options, but now unlikely.
1 certain OUT, and 1 almost certain OUT
Then 1 of 3 players OUT 50%: 65% : 50% chance - so whoever the 65% is, is most likely, but far from certain.
Then, the most interesting bit -
1 player IN at 95% chance; and another IN at 99% chance.
Sex whale you have done it again
So presumably
Ayew out, Taylor in + £4m
Tish out (unless he's already off the equation) Westwood nearly out and one or two of others (fingers crossed mcFatty but unlikely according to Bruce)
Bedau in and Hogan or Rhodes
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I would think that Bedaux is one and a striker is the other personally.
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Testing
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Site being weird.
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Site being weird.
Nothing new there, then.
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Basically I don't give a f**k what we spend as long as the quality is there, and personally I think we have done cracking business so far, really pleased!
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From the office of The Doc via Twitter
Paul,we'll keep striving until glorious times like your old days come back Villa again !#UTV
From the office of The Lord via Twitter
Brentford v Aston Villa tonight, Scott Hogan hopefully coming our way, well done Dr Tony and Steve . Shows we're heading #UTV .
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From the office of The Doc via Twitter
Paul,we'll keep striving until glorious times like your old days come back Villa again !#UTV
From the office of The Lord via Twitter
Brentford v Aston Villa tonight, Scott Hogan hopefully coming our way, well done Dr Tony and Steve . Shows we're heading #UTV .
Warms the cockles.
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Tone and Stanloi Twatter spat.
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Stanley Victor now getting embroiled in a Twitter 'discussion' regarding us and especially Hogans fee "£15 for Hogan( if numbers are correct) is fucking obscene And I'm massively concerned about general overspend last 7 months Clear enough?
Quickly followed by a response from the good Doctor "Some footballers considering themselves real professional seemed knowledgeable of running clubs but all 'HIS' clubs were in crisis anyway".
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Stanley Victor now getting embroiled in a Twitter 'discussion' regarding us and especially Hogans fee "£15 for Hogan( if numbers are correct) is fucking obscene And I'm massively concerned about general overspend last 7 months Clear enough?
Quickly followed by a response from the good Doctor "Some footballers considering themselves real professional seemed knowledgeable of running clubs but all 'HIS' clubs were in crisis anyway".
he really should just humour him
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Stanley Victor now getting embroiled in a Twitter 'discussion' regarding us and especially Hogans fee "£15 for Hogan( if numbers are correct) is fucking obscene And I'm massively concerned about general overspend last 7 months Clear enough?
Quickly followed by a response from the good Doctor "Some footballers considering themselves real professional seemed knowledgeable of running clubs but all 'HIS' clubs were in crisis anyway".
he really should just humour him
Who cares how much we've spent, the fellas a billionaire (proper one not like lerners mom!)... Also a good business man so I'm sure he knows his way around an accounting excel spreadsheet...
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Why would you even bother with Collywobbles when he is in full on dickhead mode.
Guardiola hasn't done a whole lot right this season, but his answer to the latest criticism from Stan the Flakey Flan was one of his better moments.
Besides, the fee is being reported as £9 million up front with £3 million worth of add-ons.
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I hope that if we don't promoted this season, then our supporters will back Dr Tony in the summer by renewing their season tickets!
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Stanley Victor now getting embroiled in a Twitter 'discussion' regarding us and especially Hogans fee "£15 for Hogan( if numbers are correct) is fucking obscene And I'm massively concerned about general overspend last 7 months Clear enough?
Quickly followed by a response from the good Doctor "Some footballers considering themselves real professional seemed knowledgeable of running clubs but all 'HIS' clubs were in crisis anyway".
he really should just humour him
He should ignore him. Only just seen his tweet and didn't know what he was banging on about. All very pathetic.
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I don't think there's anything wrong with a certain healthy scepticism on this - at least until we really know where the money is coming from, which we won't know until we see the accounts - but I don't really see the need to go diving into a twitter ruck with the chairman over it at this point.
FWIW, I like the guy too, but Tony tweeting is absolutely BOUND to end in tears at some point. This sort of thing usually does.
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I don't think there's anything wrong with a certain healthy scepticism on this - at least until we really know where the money is coming from, which we won't know until we see the accounts - but I don't really see the need to go diving into a twitter ruck with the chairman over it at this point.
FWIW, I like the guy too, but Tony tweeting is absolutely BOUND to end in tears at some point. This sort of thing usually does.
I've just had a read of Collymore's comments. Like him or not, he is qualified to claim that he knows the industry and knows the patterns of the industry. There is always a nagging doubt that a new owner will come in and spend beyond the clubs means. It has happened before and it will no doubt happen again. Until we see a couple of years accounts, we will be none the wiser as to the situation.
Collymore seems to thrive on this kind of controversy though. It should be a time to be happy with a transfer window, not go all negative. Most are happy.
I notice the tweet that started it all off has been deleted (Stan questioning £15 mil on Hogan) If the real figure is nearer £9 million then I hope Stan will come out and hold his hands up.
Regarding Stan's comments regarding players being able to step up, well other PL sides were after Hogan and indeed other of our January signings.
As far as I'm concerned, the money has been spent very, very wisely this window. Stan has either fcuked up or he has got the reaction he was looking for. I generally stick up for Stan as I think he gets a lot of unjust stick but he got this one wrong.
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If only we had experienced this kind of window last summer we'd be comfortably top two
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That not quite right, the real start of this was that he criticised wolves or signing Helder Costa because his agent is also the advisor to the board.
After his little rant about that someone dug it back up today to ask if it was only wolves transfer he'd complain about and he replied with the tweet that's been quoted above. He then went off on a rant which i can understand but that seems utterly inappropriate to level at an owner when, in this window at least, the sums seems to be fairly reasonable. We did spend a fair lick in the summer but it seems fairly clear that he needed to do that for credibility if nothing else.
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Can anyone offer any suggestions as to what 'ends in tears' might look like when it comes to Tony's Twitter activities? He started off retweeting a picture of Jimmy Savile, and now posts complex mathematical formulae, so I'd be interested to see where it goes next, tears or no tears.
As for the money and whether he is a competent owner or not, only time will tell, as the Randy Lerner train wreck taught us. And all train wrecks start out in hope.
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Collymore is a massive tit, he tried to wangle a way in to the Forest set up only a couple of weeks ago, meeting with the board etc, the usual tricks . He's just a self publicising twat, can't stnd the bloke.
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Tony's just confirmed all deals 100%!
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Dr. Tony Xia @Dr_TonyXia 6m6 minutes ago
{(100%-(100%+X))+0%+0%)*1/3}+(-100%-100%{(-100%-0%-0%)*1/3}+100%+100%
We done 100%as planned! #UTV
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A very positive Transfer Window. Well done to all concerned and good luck to the new boys.
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Well done Tone.
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A very positive Transfer Window. Well done to all concerned and good luck to the new boys.
100% as planned is great. It means they has no excuses (and had a plan!). I don't think the signings and quantity of them would have been my strategy but they're the professionals.
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You obviously aren't watching at the moment we're total shite
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{100%+100%+100%+100%+100%}100% {-100%+100%}-100%{100%+100%}=100%=2-0 down at Brentford at half time.
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I wish xia would shut up. It's making him and, moreover, us look like idiots
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He'll be gone in the Sumer if this carries on
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Xia's delivered and then some...no good blaming him.
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He'll be gone in the Sumer if this carries on
He will be gone when he realises that chucking a load of money around doesnt guarantee anything
oh and when the parachute money drops to 13 million and he will be running the club out of his own pocket
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I would imagine that he already is running the club out of his own pocket!
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I would imagine that he already is running the club out of his own pocket!
I agree that he will be to an extent, its when the parachute goes from 38 to 13 that reality will bite
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Latest tweet
"RHM got a new agent&said agreed terms but not penned yet. 3clubs offered buying Veretout. Sanchez&Libor's contracts 'll be ended this season"
Does that mean RHM is going to sign?
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Latest tweet
"RHM got a new agent&said agreed terms but not penned yet. 3clubs offered buying Veretout. Sanchez&Libor's contracts 'll be ended this season"
Does that mean RHM is going to sign?
That is what was surmised a couple of weeks' ago.
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Sounds positive. RHM to sign up and three more useless lumps leave the club.
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RHM has a great chance now to establish himself with 3 forwards having left/on loan. He needs to follow Andre Green's example, who is now making his mark in the first team. Interesting that he's changed his Agent.
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Somebody tweeted Tony a pic of the '82 squad. He responded:
"As I talked to the team: we cannot be inherited being the great club, we have to keep fighting to be the great one.#UTV"
I think he knows the score.
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At this moment in time, I have a certain amount of sympathy with him given the poor form of the team. You can see they are trying to do everything behind the scenes to make Villa a properly functioning club again and yet week after week the highest paid employees of the club and the ones that are professional let him and everyone else down.
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The bad juju at Villa has been like a pernicious weed. It needs digging out at the root, and for that we're gonna have to go deep.
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The bad juju at Villa has been like a pernicious weed. It needs digging out at the root, and for that we're gonna have to go deep.
How much deeper can we go ? We have a new owner and board, a new manager and coaches, a new scouting system and network, new players...you don't mean poor old Doris the tea lady do you ?
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The bad juju at Villa has been like a pernicious weed. It needs digging out at the root, and for that we're gonna have to go deep.
How much deeper can we go ? We have a new owner and board, a new manager and coaches, a new scouting system and network, new players...you don't mean poor old Doris the tea lady do you ?
Yes, I'd like to see her eviscerated and her innards hung from the Holte End gates as a warning to other tea ladies. We simply won't tolerate split tea bags and lukewarm milky shite any more.
As a Chinese person, Dr Tony won't stand for half-arsed tea.
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RHM now signed. He's done everything asked of him as an owner. He like us now want to see clear signs of improvement and a return on that investment.
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RHM now signed. He's done everything asked of him as an owner. He like us now want to see clear signs of improvement and a return on that investment.
Yep he's done all he can really.
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Yes, we now need to start resembling a football club
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The good doctor is now talking about our culture and 'superiority complex’. His diagnosis may well be on the money.
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Dr. Tony Xia @Dr_TonyXia
My >20years' running business always 1principle:用人不疑,疑人不用A man being used cannot be suspected while a suspected man cannot be used.
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Why am I reminded of David Carradines blind master in Kung Fu giving advice to 'Grasshopper ?
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that tweet was word for word lifted from a proverb I found inside a fortune cookie I ate last week
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Might be time for the owner to apologise to Ian Holloway........
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Next tweet I want to see is the one telling the world Steve Bruce and Colin Calderwood have resigned and paid back their salaries.
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Next tweet I want to see is the one telling the world Steve Bruce and Colin Calderwood have resigned and paid back their salaries.
The dancing boobs gif would be a decent alternative
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He's just tweeted a gif of a potato exploding inside a microwave. Not sure what it means.
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你妈的屄
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Might be time for the owner to apologise to Ian Holloway........
After Ian Holloway apologises to football. For being Ian Holloway.
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Yes but it might be even worse than he predicted
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Might be time for the owner to apologise to Ian Holloway........
Please explain, I have no idea what that means.
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None of us liked it when Holloway called us 'a half arsed club who used to be famous', but Christ he was on the money.
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Might be time for the owner to apologise to Ian Holloway........
Please explain, I have no idea what that means.
Holloway predicted that we would finish 16th at the start of the season to much derision from fans and the owner. An appalling prediction. He was far too optimistic.
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Half-arsed sums us up. That is the general attitude on the pitch.
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We aren't even that
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Are we the Woolworths of football clubs?
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I think the china curse from carson young is working full blast on us now time to get some rhino horn
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Or desiccated fox vagina's for enhanced fertility (see today's news)
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if he has tweeted a potato exploding in a microwave ..... then may be that is the end of Mr Potato head.... just a thought?
I should imagine he feels as though his head is going to explode, all that money gone, and the team going down the league.
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He's just tweeted a gif of a potato exploding inside a microwave. Not sure what it means.
There's old Chinese proverb that say:'Man who blows-up (Maris) Piper calls tune'.
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Have we managed to get that Bloser sacked as our head of Snapchat and Comms yet?
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Are we the Woolworths of football clubs?
Ratners is nearer the mark at the moment.
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Are we the Woolworths of football clubs?
Ratners is nearer the mark at the moment.
At least Ratner came out and said they were rubbish
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He hasn't tweeted about it as far as I know but:
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.hollywoodreporter.com/amp/news/chinas-recon-group-talks-acquire-millennium-films-report-975913?client=safari
There's a bloke on twitter, Professor Simon Chadwick from Salford Uni, who said he's hearing stuff about Birmingham becoming UK 'Entertainment City' centred around HS2, NEC, Midlands Engine, Channel 4 relocation, Aston Villa etc. What he doesn't mention and perhaps hasn't heard about is Steven Knight's plans to bring Hollywood studios to NEC, which could be related.
Perhaps I should have put this in Birmingham News, although it's more Birmingham Rumours so far.
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He hasn't tweeted about it as far as I know but:
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.hollywoodreporter.com/amp/news/chinas-recon-group-talks-acquire-millennium-films-report-975913?client=safari
There's a bloke on twitter, Professor Simon Chadwick from Salford Uni, who said he's hearing stuff about Birmingham becoming UK 'Entertainment City' centred around HS2, NEC, Midlands Engine, Channel 4 relocation, Aston Villa etc. What he doesn't mention and perhaps hasn't heard about is Steven Knight's plans to bring Hollywood studios to NEC, which could be related.
Perhaps I should have put this in Birmingham News, although it's more Birmingham Rumours so far.
Isn't the Recon group re known modern city developers?
I remember Hollis saying that if the go a head was given the vision for the local area was unbelievable - who knows?
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Apparently he included an image from The Expendables in one of his tweets yesterday, although I haven't found it. (The Expendables was made by the firm he is reportedly buying).
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He doesn't do subtle does he!
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Perhaps Dr Tone's long term plan is to flog off the land housing VP and relocate us to a shiny new home? A Bescot-a-like stadium would fit the bill nicely the way things are going... :o
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If he buys the film studio he'll probably sign up a load of Oscar-winning actors and a shit director.
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I bet Michael Bay is waiting for the call
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I bet Michael Bay is waiting for the call
I'd take him as manager, the half time team talks would be explosive.
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Perhaps Dr Tone's long term plan is to flog off the land housing VP and relocate us to a shiny new home? A Bescot-a-like stadium would fit the bill nicely the way things are going... :o
Flogging the land for housing would net about 300 quid
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Any danger of him re tweeting the Ant & Dec banner?
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He hasn't tweeted about it as far as I know but:
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.hollywoodreporter.com/amp/news/chinas-recon-group-talks-acquire-millennium-films-report-975913?client=safari
There's a bloke on twitter, Professor Simon Chadwick from Salford Uni, who said he's hearing stuff about Birmingham becoming UK 'Entertainment City' centred around HS2, NEC, Midlands Engine, Channel 4 relocation, Aston Villa etc. What he doesn't mention and perhaps hasn't heard about is Steven Knight's plans to bring Hollywood studios to NEC, which could be related.
Perhaps I should have put this in Birmingham News, although it's more Birmingham Rumours so far.
Isn't the Recon group re known modern city developers?
I remember Hollis saying that if the go a head was given the vision for the local area was unbelievable - who knows?
There was something on the electronic advert boards for the Barnsley game about city development.
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Vision for the local area is fine just hope they go and look at star city and aston cross business park first
Oh and aston on a none matchday
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I can see the first film now... The bicycle kick and my part in football's downfall...
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There has to be something in the fact that 4 wealthy Chinese businessmen has bought the 4 West Midlands clubs ????
Smoke without fire
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Yeah we have the very best Sweet and Sour in the UK.
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Read an interesting tweet from the Dr over the weekend stating that the money that we received as our parachute payment this season does not cover half the annual wage bill at our club, for me this is a very worrying statement, I think that if we don't get promoted next season then as Collymore said we could be in big trouble!
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Read an interesting tweet from the Dr over the weekend stating that the money that we received as our parachute payment this season does not cover half the annual wage bill at our club, for me this is a very worrying statement, I think that if we don't get promoted next season then as Collymore said we could be in big trouble!
That's appalling if true.
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Read an interesting tweet from the Dr over the weekend stating that the money that we received as our parachute payment this season does not cover half the annual wage bill at our club, for me this is a very worrying statement, I think that if we don't get promoted next season then as Collymore said we could be in big trouble!
That's appalling if true.
No surprise
Next season we get 38 million, season 3 its 13 million
If we arent up by the end of next season we are fucked
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Better start playing as well as the poor clubs then.
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On a similar note, not sure if it should have its own thread, but I onThe weekend heard from someone who spends a lot of time in accounting and legal circles that we were very close to administration last year. Has anyone else heard similar? I know our finances weren't great but I don't have any idea at what point administration becomes a possibility.
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Read an interesting tweet from the Dr over the weekend stating that the money that we received as our parachute payment this season does not cover half the annual wage bill at our club, for me this is a very worrying statement, I think that if we don't get promoted next season then as Collymore said we could be in big trouble!
This is the elephant in the room I think. Even on the latest set of incoming transfers, there have been strong suggestions that the salaries we're paying are at Premier League level - and it's the salaries that cause the biggest issues as Lerner found. There will be serious problems by Summer 2018 if we are still in this league.
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Regardless of the past and present financials on the club, we are still making the same mistakes when it comes to recruitment, Manager wants, Manager gets, I have stated on here previously that the manager whether that is Bruce or someone else should have been told and should be told going forward, any changes required are financed by outgoings, apart from that I have changed your title to coach, so guess what bloody coach improvement into them.
On Talk sport today (yes I know, I'm bored), one of Bruceys media hoppos stated that Bruce has told him it will take him 3 windows at least to get this sorted, to me that is not acceptable unless he self funds by selling, the amount of wages we must be paying to players out on loan who are contributing naff all to Aston Villa is probably enough to have Dr Tony running for the hills.
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Regardless of the past and present financials on the club, we are still making the same mistakes when it comes to recruitment, Manager wants, Manager gets, I have stated on here previously that the manager whether that is Bruce or someone else should have been told and should be told going forward, any changes required are financed by outgoings, apart from that I have changed your title to coach, so guess what bloody coach improvement into them.
On Talk sport today (yes I know, I'm bored), one of Bruceys media hoppos stated that Bruce has told him it will take him 3 windows at least to get this sorted, to me that is not acceptable unless he self funds by selling, the amount of wages we must be paying to players out on loan who are contributing naff all to Aston Villa is probably enough to have Dr Tony running for the hills.
Isn't that broadly what Lerner did and by turning the tap of so suddenly pretty much destroyed our club?
Quite pleased you're no on our Board to be honest.
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Yes that is what Lerner did to a certain extent, but then again I can always please the like of you and say, spend spend spend and when that does not work, I will not worry about being on your board, because there will be no need for a board, as there will be nothing left to represent.
Quite pleased you are not my accountant.
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There has to be something in the fact that 4 wealthy Chinese businessmen has bought the 4 West Midlands clubs ????
Smoke without fire
I read a while ago (but cannot think of where to reference it now) that a huge part of the reasoning is the pending HS2 rail link between here and London and the money that it will bring in, especially in housing etc due to 1 hour commutes. A lot of London based people will see the significantly lower living costs of Birmingham and surrounding areas and move here which in turn will become a developers wet dream for providing facilities for these people.
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On a similar note, not sure if it should have its own thread, but I onThe weekend heard from someone who spends a lot of time in accounting and legal circles that we were very close to administration last year. Has anyone else heard similar? I know our finances weren't great but I don't have any idea at what point administration becomes a possibility.
No, there would have been no point in Lerner going down the Admin route, he bought in an insolvent /restructuring specialist and there is no way Hollis would reccomend that.
They tried to run the club in a way that limited Lerners exposure and to sell the club.
Administration becomes a possibility when a business is unable to meet its liabilities, (as and when they fall due).
This has never been the case
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On a similar note, not sure if it should have its own thread, but I onThe weekend heard from someone who spends a lot of time in accounting and legal circles that we were very close to administration last year. Has anyone else heard similar? I know our finances weren't great but I don't have any idea at what point administration becomes a possibility.
No, there would have been no point in Lerner going down the Admin route, he bought in an insolvent /restructuring specialist and there is no way Hollis would reccomend that.
They tried to run the club in a way that limited Lerners exposure and to sell the club.
Administration becomes a possibility when a business is unable to meet its liabilities, (as and when they fall due).
This has never been the case
Thanks for the reply. I did comment that I thought it was bollocks.
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Regardless of the past and present financials on the club, we are still making the same mistakes when it comes to recruitment, Manager wants, Manager gets, I have stated on here previously that the manager whether that is Bruce or someone else should have been told and should be told going forward, any changes required are financed by outgoings, apart from that I have changed your title to coach, so guess what bloody coach improvement into them.
On Talk sport today (yes I know, I'm bored), one of Bruceys media hoppos stated that Bruce has told him it will take him 3 windows at least to get this sorted, to me that is not acceptable unless he self funds by selling, the amount of wages we must be paying to players out on loan who are contributing naff all to Aston Villa is probably enough to have Dr Tony running for the hills.
To be fair - Bruce did a fair bit of funding by selling in this window, and also got players out on loan that he didn't intend to use. The reason for Gestede going when he did was to get a good sum up front going into the window. There was no hint that the money was drying up, but that Bruce said you have to work in a sustainable way and he was showing this.
Martin O'Neill kept buying new players without losing the old ones and that did for us in the Lerner years - Lerner should have had more of a handle on this, but my impression is that the set up with Bruce and Xia is very different - just because the money is there, doesn't mean you can spend it stupidly.
I think the opposite issue has hit us this window - moving playerrs out to get players in in such numbers, has created too much change all at once, with limited options to graduate it.
There must be a balance somewhere.
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Assuming he stays, I wonder how many loanees he plans to hang on to? Is there any merit in trying to rehabilitate Gil Sanchez and Veretout for example?
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i'd reintegrate Sanchez and Veretout although I suspect neither would want to be reintegrated and will be off in the summer. Integrate Sanchez and I would let Gardner go. I'd let Gil go, couldn't hack the physicality of the Premiership so would have no chance in the Championship. I'd also rather see Green given more of a chance next season
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Dr T tweeted that Recon Holdongs have acquired 51% controlling interest in Millennium Film Studios.
To specialise in Horror films featuring people dressed in claret and blue ?
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Dr T tweeted that Recon Holdongs have acquired 51% controlling interest in Millennium Film Studios.
To specialise in Horror films featuring people dressed in claret and blue ?
They've got a good decade or so if raw footage to work with already, with the best looking like it's yet to come.
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Re-make of Dracula with Richards dressed in Purple 'n' Blue.
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Remake every John Candy film with Gabby Agbonlahor or Ross McCormack as John Candy.
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Ross McCormack's Day Off.
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Ross McCormack's Day Off.
(http://thumb.ibb.co/mtXFfa/IMG_2516.jpg) (http://ibb.co/mtXFfa)
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Ross McCormack And The Gates Of Hell.
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Remake every John Candy film with Gabby Agbonlahor or Ross McCormack as John Candy.
Jolyeon could co-star in a re-make of Planes, Trains and Automobiles.
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Nightmare on Trinity Road.
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I'd let Gil go, couldn't hack the physicality of the Premiership so would have no chance in the championship.
Doesn't seem to be a problem for Forestieri, Knockeart, Richie, Hoolahan, Pritchard, Hughes, Ince, Mooy, Woods etc etc
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Yes, I think the idea that only tough-tackling, no-nonsense types can survive in the Championship is a bit of a myth.
We lack wingers, hopefully Green can continue his development. I'd have no problem with Gil coming back to boost the numbers but I confess to having no idea what sort of money he is on.
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are we still paying though? Knowing us , yes.
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Given our scoring record, Casablanks.
Certainly more likely to be Bellends de Jour than Ran.
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Andre Green is a good prospect. Big, strong lads take a bit longer to develop.
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Escape from Victory.
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Westward Ho! (a novel by Charles Kingsley).
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Westward Ho! (a novel by Charles Kingsley).
It's a massive letdown.
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Book is better than the place (caravans from horizon to horizon).
Worth reading if only for a hero called Amyas. Imagine the fun if we had a player called Amyas.
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Westward Ho! (a novel by Charles Kingsley).
It's a massive letdown.
The place? Aye, it's crap.
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Westward Ho! (a novel by Charles Kingsley).
It's a massive letdown.
The place? Aye, it's crap.
Good for crazy golf though. So I understand.
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Westward Ho! (a novel by Charles Kingsley).
It's a massive letdown.
The place? Aye, it's crap.
Good for crazy golf though. So I understand.
It's an ace place , great place for some surfing.
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Westward Ho! (a novel by Charles Kingsley).
It's a massive letdown.
The place? Aye, it's crap.
Good for crazy golf though. So I understand.
Popular with couples from Sweden.
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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-03-02/chinese-soccer-investor-wanted-an-english-club-any-english-club (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-03-02/chinese-soccer-investor-wanted-an-english-club-any-english-club)
It didn’t matter which English soccer club Tony Xia bought, just as long as he got one.
The Chinese businessman was so keen on an acquisition that he wrote to bankers expressing interest in Premier League team Southampton. That was days before completing his 60 million-pound ($74 million) deal in May 2016 to buy Aston Villa in Birmingham.
"It wasn’t just Southampton, we also held discussions with a lot of clubs," Xia said in an interview in Beijing last week. He agreed to buy Villa after striking up a relationship with the club’s former owner, American billionaire Randy Lerner.
The almost arbitrary nature of the purchase offers an insight into China’s blossoming relationship with the world’s most popular -- and richest -- game and the seemingly insatiable appetite for assets that’s continued into this year.
It follows President Xi Jinping’s endorsement of a plan to develop China’s sports economy and, in particular for the soccer-loving leader, a national team that might one day win the World Cup. Since then, businesses have poured billions into the sport, with some of the country’s richest men grabbing clubs abroad.
"Even if we didn’t buy Villa, we would have entered the sports industry through other means," Xia said. “Now that we have control of Villa, we will leverage this opportunity and use it to further our business in the sports industry.” That might include a partnership with a “prestigious” French team whose controlling shareholder approached the club for a partnership, he said.
Fallen Giant
Xia’s sudden arrival in England mirrored that of other Chinese buyers. Almost every major club in the West Midlands region of central England is now owned by investors from Asia.
Aston Villa is somewhat of a fallen giant. It was a major club in its heyday, with fans from England’s second-largest city crammed into one of the country’s most prominent stadiums to watch a team that was European champion in 1982. It dropped into the second tier last year, and there’s little prospect of an immediate return as Villa languishes in the bottom half of the 24-team division.
Xia is chairman of Recon Group, a conglomerate with interests in such things as health care, finance and sport. He had no experience in soccer before the acquisition and it hasn’t been easy on the pitch or off it.
He’s already onto his second coach after firing his first hire, Roberto di Matteo, a former European champion at London club Chelsea, and spent millions of pounds on recruiting new players. In replacement Steve Bruce, Xia has opted for an experienced hand. A former Manchester United captain, Bruce has taken teams up to the Premier League four times and is no stranger to working with overseas owners.
Being Tactical
Bruce has also found it tough. Villa won its last two games, though only to break a win-less streak going back to December.
“The current coach was picked because he has experience,” said Xia. “But what we have seen shows it doesn’t work if you rely on past experience entirely. What makes a coach great is his ability to constantly learn and adjust.”
In the narrow world of English football where loyalties are fierce and traditions passed down through folklore, Xia has also challenged what he calls soccer’s cultural "rigidness.” “Of all the industries I’ve operated in, soccer is the one most resistant to change," he said.
Typically chairman and owners of English teams steer clear of getting involved in on-field matters. Not Xia. He’s a regular on Twitter, sometimes sending multiple messages a day to share his thoughts on player trading and the team’s performances. The plan is to one day help support President Xi’s dream of building a winning team.
"Now I probably know much better than most when it comes to being a coach of a club, how to arrange training and match tactics," he said. "I’d like to figure out one day how to help Chinese soccer.”
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Thanks for posting that CT.
At least he is honest enough to not go down the "I have always followed Villa, been a fan for years etc etc".
I wonder how much Southampton would have cost him.
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Thanks for posting that CT.
At least he is honest enough to not go down the "I have always followed Villa, been a fan for years etc etc".
I wonder how much Southampton would have cost him.
Perhaps he was thinking of buying them as a feeder team?
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I thought he was a Villa fan from when he went to Oxford :(
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Interesting comment on experience not being enough and a good coach has to constantly learn and adapt.
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Westward Ho! (a novel by Charles Kingsley).
It's a massive letdown.
The place? Aye, it's crap.
Good for crazy golf though. So I understand.
Popular with couples from Sweden.
It's lovely with a great long beach and pubs with fantastic views.
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Westward Ho! (a novel by Charles Kingsley).
It's a massive letdown.
The place? Aye, it's crap.
Good for crazy golf though. So I understand.
Popular with couples from Sweden.
It's lovely with a great long beach and pubs with fantastic views.
And the best place for surfing when I was on a West Country touring holiday with my Mum and Dad in 1965! :D
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We're down to one tweet a week now and that's not always about the Villa
hope he's not lost interest like the last fella
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Simon Jordan
https://twitter.com/Sjopinion10/status/839481769137213441
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Surprised this quote has not raised more speculation:
"Even if we didn’t buy Villa, we would have entered the sports industry through other means," Xia said. “Now that we have control of Villa, we will leverage this opportunity and use it to further our business in the sports industry.” That might include a partnership with a “prestigious” French team whose controlling shareholder approached the club for a partnership, he said.
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Surprised this quote has not raised more speculation:
"Even if we didn’t buy Villa, we would have entered the sports industry through other means," Xia said. “Now that we have control of Villa, we will leverage this opportunity and use it to further our business in the sports industry.” That might include a partnership with a “prestigious” French team whose controlling shareholder approached the club for a partnership, he said.
You mean he didn't really fall in love with us when he came to VP during his year at Cambridge and we could have been anyone? You bastard, Xia.
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Simon Jordan
https://twitter.com/Sjopinion10/status/839481769137213441
One of our own, he's one of our own, shit haircut maybe, but he's one of our own.
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Surprised this quote has not raised more speculation:
"Even if we didn’t buy Villa, we would have entered the sports industry through other means," Xia said. “Now that we have control of Villa, we will leverage this opportunity and use it to further our business in the sports industry.” That might include a partnership with a “prestigious” French team whose controlling shareholder approached the club for a partnership, he said.
You mean he didn't really fall in love with us when he came to VP during his year at Cambridge and we could have been anyone? You bastard, Xia.
The partnership with a French club was the bit that I was surprised about, but obviously it's just me that thought it was intriguing.
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I hope it's Bordeaux.
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I hope it's Bordeaux.
They're after our claret.
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I hope it's Bordeaux.
They're after our claret.
There's always someone on here that is going to have a w(h)ine.
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I hope it's Bordeaux.
That was the rumour, apparently.
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Heard it on the grapevine?
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Claret innit.
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Gironde ya bike
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Always knew he a noilly prat
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I hope it's Bordeaux.
They're after our claret.
There's always someone on here that is going to have a w(h)ine.
As long as it's not sour grapes.
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A tie up with Bordeaux would be vintage Xia
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I went to the Bordeaux v Villa game in 97, it was a proper thriller 0-0
Jean Pierre Papin was there main man up front
I remember it was just after Princess Di had died and for some reason we were blaming the French police for the loss of our 'Queen of Hearts'
believe it or not tensions were high because of it
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I remember it was just after Princess Di had died and for some reason we were blaming the French police for the loss of our 'Queen of Hearts' believe it or not tensions were high because of it
It was the C Crew (Harrogate Division) running up and down Witton Lane with bottles in one hand and a Betty's cream tea scones in the other. Propa naughty.
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I hope it's Bordeaux.
We're driving down that way this summer, can't wait for a spot of their vintage.
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It won't be Bordeaux, you plonker
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vin ordinaire?
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Return leg 1-0 in '97? Savo?
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Return leg 1-0 in '97? Savo?
Yes, I think it was.
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It was. Charles in acres of space.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RoWQ-gb-Ujc
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Return leg 1-0 in '97? Savo?
Think it was extra time or right into I jury time. Great run in the cub that. Unlucky vs At. Madrid.
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It was. Charles in acres of space.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RoWQ-gb-Ujc
Taylor wins the ball brilliantly and Collymore, who was man of the match in my opinion (and we have debated this several times on here) does what he was well capable of when the black dog was not upon him to surge through their midfield and release Charles.
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Return leg 1-0 in '97? Savo?
Think it was extra time or right into I jury time. Great run in the cub that. Unlucky vs At. Madrid.
I missed that home game to see Oasis at the NIA in their prime. They were awful and i was mightily pissed off I'd missed the game.
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It was. Charles in acres of space.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RoWQ-gb-Ujc
Taylor wins the ball brilliantly and Collymore, who was man of the match in my opinion (and we have debated this several times on here) does what he was well capable of when the black dog was not upon him to surge through their midfield and release Charles.
How i wish we had Taylor now. If Batty played for England then there was no reason Taylor couldn't have. My favourite Villan of my time watching us.
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Bloke called Barry has a moan at Tone because his seat is dirty and he has had to sit on dried pigeon shit for the past four home games.
Tony's response is a cracker
@Dr_TonyXia Come on Tony, get my bloody seat cleaned!! Sat in dried pigeon shite for the last 4 games!!! UTV
"Barry, then that's maybe some golden fortune pigeons. I would rather keep it as well keep winning.Haha...#UTV" https://t.co/gEz1jw1Xms
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That is a quality response from Tone. Whilst I don't agree with/appreciate everything he says, it is refreshing to have an owner that is engaged and immersed in the club.
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Golden fortune pidgeons.
Excellent.
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I like to think the Golden Fortune pigeons would be like 'Jon Pigeon' on Twitter.
He spends most of his time being, 'frankly, livid' about stuff, rather like the owner of the seat.
The shot of his 'band' was genius.
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Dr. Tony XiaVerified account @Dr_TonyXia 2h2 hours ago
Checked ticketing again.We had 10K more STs sold than where were this time last year.Working with IT trying to speed up the booking service.
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10K more? At this stage? April Fool's Day was Sat.
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10K more? At this stage? April Fool's Day was Sat.
A year ago we were certs for relegation, had lost 7 in a row scoring 2 and conceding 23, we had no manager and Lerner was still owner. I doubt there was a mad rush to renew in early April last year.
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Just imagine what a successful Villa could be like Dr Tony. 32k for a mid table Championship side?
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Does that mean we've sold 10,000 ST's? Doubt anyone would have been keen to renew this time last year.
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10K more? At this stage? April Fool's Day was Sat.
A year ago we were certs for relegation, had lost 7 in a row scoring 2 and conceding 23, we had no manager and Lerner was still owner. I doubt there was a mad rush to renew in early April last year.
I know but still it seems eyebrow-raising. I'd understand it a bit more if we were on the cusp of promotion.
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We'd probably only sold about 5k this time last year due to our tragic demise and Lerner still being the owner. Judging from our crowds I'd guess at us selling 15k season tickets for this season which picked up when the takeover happen and we start splashing the cash.
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10K more? At this stage? April Fool's Day was Sat.
That'll be 10,004 then.
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I want to see this: Golden Fortune Pigeon meets African Car Reverser.
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BE v Tokyo Sexwale?
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It seems his Assistant enjoyed the derby:
Rongtian He @VillansHo
The atmosphere at Villa Park tells you everything! Our fans are absolutely incredible!!! #VTID
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I think The Doc is simply salivating at the potential of our club. He's barely scratched its surface.
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Get shat on by a golden pigeon and the ref will always be a homer.
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Our Tone reckons a certain legendary ball-bending Brazilian fullback nearly joined us in 97/98.
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I think it's more like a legendary ball bending Brazilian full back reckons he almost joined us back in the mid nineties (95 I think) as also claimed by a certain steady former Aston Villa chairman and travel agent and a former wirey haired dog whistling manager. I think Tone has just jumped in on this one and made a fun twitter picture and comment. That's what I like about our Tone.
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This was in the press a coupls if weeks ago - apparently we signed Southgate instead - I think the 2nd best centre back I've seen in a Villa shirt is far better than a left back who we'd have got a year out of
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I think Dr Tony Xia should have offer him a job at Villa Park maybe as coach and connection for South America. Apart from JPA we haven't signed anyone direct from South America this century. When are we going to get a Brazilian player playing in Claret and Blues ?
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This was in the press a coupls if weeks ago - apparently we signed Southgate instead - I think the 2nd best centre back I've seen in a Villa shirt is far better than a left back who we'd have got a year out of
Southgate,2nd best centre back?
So after McGrath I will offer up Nichol, Mcnaught Evans Ugo Laursen Barry.
Melberg
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This was in the press a coupls if weeks ago - apparently we signed Southgate instead - I think the 2nd best centre back I've seen in a Villa shirt is far better than a left back who we'd have got a year out of
Southgate,2nd best centre back?
So after McGrath I will offer up Nichol, Mcnaught Evans Ugo Laursen Barry.
Melberg
Southgate was better than all of those except McGrath and possibly Ugo.
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And Con Martin capped for his country at centre half and goalkeeper.
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This was in the press a coupls if weeks ago - apparently we signed Southgate instead - I think the 2nd best centre back I've seen in a Villa shirt is far better than a left back who we'd have got a year out of
Southgate,2nd best centre back?
So after McGrath I will offer up Nichol, Mcnaught Evans Ugo Laursen Barry.
Melberg
Never had pleasure of Nichol, Evans or McNaught live but Southgate would be ahead of Ugo, Laursen & Mellberg for me & Teale would be ahead of Barry as a centre half!
McGrath
Southgate
Ugo
Laursen
Mellberg
Teale
Of the ones seen live
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This was in the press a coupls if weeks ago - apparently we signed Southgate instead - I think the 2nd best centre back I've seen in a Villa shirt is far better than a left back who we'd have got a year out of
Southgate,2nd best centre back?
So after McGrath I will offer up Nichol, Mcnaught Evans Ugo Laursen Barry.
Melberg
Never had pleasure of Nichol, Evans or McNaught live but Southgate would be ahead of Ugo, Laursen & Mellberg for me & Teale would be ahead of Barry as a centre half!
McGrath
Southgate
Ugo
Laursen
Mellberg
Teale
Of the ones seen live
For me McGrath and Nicholl were the best-but Evans & McNaught weren't far behind as they were so solid and could score goals.
Southgate was probably as good as any but a very different kind of player, he was very good with the ball at his feet. Barry was never a great centre half but a very good full back and a great midfielder. Ugo took a long time to settle and was always prone to error (most are) but a very strong solid dependable player. Laursen and Mellberg were excellent-Teale was simply hard and consistent. I would have any one of them now.
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I'd have Southgate as my second best defender, I did see Evans but only when he was past his prime. Would have him ahead of Laursen, Mellberg, Ugo, Nielsen and any others we have had since 1988, apart from McGrath, obviously. An absolutely fantastic player.
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I was never wholly convinced by Southgate in a 442, but he was excellent in a back three
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How often did he play in a 442 for us? I don't imagine it was too often. He played well there for Ingerlund IIRC.
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I miss the fact we used to be able to attract the Southgates, Taylors, Drapers, Saunders and Collymores. Players whose quality and potential you could get genuinely excited about. Now while searching for Bentekes we are far more likely to get Syllas, Bacunas, Tonevs and Hollmans.
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I miss the fact we used to be able to attract the Southgates, Taylors, Drapers, Saunders and Collymores. Players whose quality and potential you could get genuinely excited about. Now while searching for Bentekes we are far more likely to get Syllas, Bacunas, Tonevs and Hollmans.
I think I'm saying we used to be patrons of Waitrose and now we are one inflation rise away from the food banks.
Laursen runs Southgate very close.
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I like him too. Eccentric Chinese millionaire. What's not to like?
Had to fix this 🤣
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I like him too. Eccentric Chinese millionaire. What's not to like?
Had to fix this 🤣
Oh look, our tails are up because we got a couple of wins against teams that weren't arsed any more, and a former football manager has agreed to fleece us for an extra year.
Mind you, for you lot that's about as good as it gets.
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I like him too. Eccentric Chinese millionaire. What's not to like?
Had to fix this 🤣
Oh look, our tails are up because we got a couple of wins against teams that weren't arsed any more, and a former football manager has agreed to fleece us for an extra year.
Mind you, for you lot that's about as good as it gets.
And we STILL beat them. Again.
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How many years is it now?
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I like him too. Eccentric Chinese millionaire. What's not to like?
Had to fix this 🤣
Very decent of you to come on here and read the thread back from August.
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For me:
McGrath (naturally)
Evans
McNaught
Mellberg
Southgate
Laursen
Ugo
notable nods for Nicholl and Leighton Phillips.
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I miss the fact we used to be able to attract the Southgates, Taylors, Drapers, Saunders and Collymores. Players whose quality and potential you could get genuinely excited about. Now while searching for Bentekes we are far more likely to get Syllas, Bacunas, Tonevs and Hollmans.
I think I'm saying we used to be patrons of Waitrose and now we are one inflation rise away from the food banks.
Laursen runs Southgate very close.
Yep, Laursen was a top player who had his career blighted with injury. Him and McGrath would be my CB pairing from my time watching Villa.
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I miss the fact we used to be able to attract the Southgates, Taylors, Drapers, Saunders and Collymores. Players whose quality and potential you could get genuinely excited about. Now while searching for Bentekes we are far more likely to get Syllas, Bacunas, Tonevs and Hollmans.
I think I'm saying we used to be patrons of Waitrose and now we are one inflation rise away from the food banks.
Laursen runs Southgate very close.
Yep, Laursen was a top player who had his career blighted with injury. Him and McGrath would be my CB pairing from my time watching Villa.
Same
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Cultured, in a footballing sense is how I would describe Laursen and McGrath. However, Evans and McNaught had this dogged determined grit, it was like trying to climb a twelve foot high wall that was covered in grease and topped with razor wire getting past them. It's almost impossible the two pairs when it comes to saying who was best. You can only have your favourites. I was privileged to see both pairings.
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Cultured, in a footballing sense is how I would describe Laursen and McGrath. However, Evans and McNaught had this dogged determined grit, it was like trying to climb a twelve foot high wall that was covered in grease and topped with razor wire getting past them. It's almost impossible the two pairs when it comes to saying who was best. You can only have your favourites. I was privileged to see both pairings.
Different times and different styles but was great seeing all four playing for this Club. It was such a pity that we only saw an injury damaged Laursen when he came here.
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Dr. Tony Xia Tweeted: We're getting everything planned better including transfers. We'll spend on whatever needed but also learn to avoid wasting. No more rumors.
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Cultured, in a footballing sense is how I would describe Laursen and McGrath. However, Evans and McNaught had this dogged determined grit, it was like trying to climb a twelve foot high wall that was covered in grease and topped with razor wire getting past them. It's almost impossible the two pairs when it comes to saying who was best. You can only have your favourites. I was privileged to see both pairings.
I wouldn't say Laursen was amazing on the ball, same for Mellberg. Laursen though in terms of dominating from crosses in both boxes is one of the best I've seen play for us.
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Dr. Tony Xia Tweeted: We're getting everything planned better including transfers. We'll spend on whatever needed but also learn to avoid wasting. No more rumors.
Sounds positive.
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Laursen was the best in the air we've had in my time. So dominant at both ends.
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At this point I feel obliged to give an honorary mention to Kent Nielsen.
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There can't be many clubs who've been blessed with such strength in any position as us with central defenders over the past three and a bit decades. When you think that someone like Martin Keown or Richard Dunne would struggle to get into our top ten you can see how lucky we've been.
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At this point I feel obliged to give an honorary mention to Kent Nielsen.
I liked Kent. I first saw him in a summer friendly against Hibernian. It may have been his debut.
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McGrath and Laursen would have made the ideal pair. Speed of McGrath in both body and mind to read would more than make up for Laursen's weakness of being drawn in.
The latter was as brave a centre half as I can recall and scored more goals than most of our midfield has done accumulatively this past half decade.
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At this point I feel obliged to give an honorary mention to Kent Nielsen.
I liked Kent. I first saw him in a summer friendly against Hibernian. It may have been his debut.
I'm sure it was, and he scored.
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McGrath and Laursen would have made the ideal pair. Speed of McGrath in both body and mind to read would more than make up for Laursen's weakness of being drawn in.
The latter was as brave a centre half as I can recall and scored more goals than most of our midfield has done accumulatively this past half decade.
I agree, that'd be my centre back pairing if I picked the best XI I've seen play for us (which means pretty much anyone since GTmk1.
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I loved Laursen. But I think he was over rated. His positional play and diving in was a problem. Teams with God, Ugo, Southgate, even Mellberg and Laursen, played in teams that didn't concede many goals. I'm pretty sure we did with Laureen in the side
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What did O'Dreary pay for Laursen? Couple of million? Brilliant signing. Shame his injury reduced the amount of time we were able to watch him.
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I loved Laursen. But I think he was over rated. His positional play and diving in was a problem. Teams with God, Ugo, Southgate, even Mellberg and Laursen, played in teams that didn't concede many goals. I'm pretty sure we did with Laureen in the side
51 goals in his full season. Not bad, particularly considering he changed partners a lot.
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I remember debating with someone that he was the best centre half in the league that year. I'm not one for overblown statements either, and this was whilst Vidic, Ferdinand and Terry were in their prime. He was magnificent and left a big hole when he retired.
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Ronny Johnsson was good for us too, but my top 3 would be McGrath, Southgate, Laursen in that order.
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I think Mellberg was better than Laursen.
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There can't be many clubs who've been blessed with such strength in any position as us with central defenders over the past three and a bit decades. When you think that someone like Martin Keown or Richard Dunne would struggle to get into our top ten you can see how lucky we've been.
Vlaar would be in that category aswell. Wasn't great last few months and his fitness record was atrocious but we were better defensively when he was playing and he was a decent enough CB but nowhere near the standard of those mentioned. We're talking about someone who was a regular in a team who finished 3rd in a world cup aswell.
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McGrath and Evans for me.
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I loved Laursen. But I think he was over rated. His positional play and diving in was a problem. Teams with God, Ugo, Southgate, even Mellberg and Laursen, played in teams that didn't concede many goals. I'm pretty sure we did with Laureen in the side
We were very high scoring in 07/08 so that contributed as we had so many end to end games against the likes of Spurs, Chelsea and Liverpool. Start of next season we tightened up and Laursen was still playing then.
Also have to remember who he was playing alongside. For some reason MON didn't think Mellberg was up to playing CH anymore and botched signing a right back that season so he had to guide the likes of Knight and Davies through games which wasn't ideal.
Mad to think ten years ago we were whining like mad on here when we didn't sign an apparent world class RB (Bosingwa for those who have good memories) and had to make do that season with Mellberg or NRC playing RB. What I'd give for those days again. I'll certainly appreciate being in the top 6 much more when we finally get back there however long it will take.
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And after a couple of seasons of finishing 6th we'd be moaning about it again. It's the nature of pretty much every football fan to always want more.
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And after a couple of seasons of finishing 6th we'd be moaning about it again. It's the nature of pretty much every football fan to always want more.
Of course. Just I'd appreciate it a little bit more given what we've experienced since 2011.
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And after a couple of seasons of finishing 6th we'd be moaning about it again. It's the nature of pretty much every football fan to always want more.
Of course. Just I'd appreciate it a little bit more given what we've experienced since 2011.
The difficulty with appreciating it more was the MON did such obviously fucking stupid things, and it drove us to distraction. Signed 3 right backs and still shoved a centre half there. Desperate for a goalscorer so signed Heskey. Needed a player that could unlock a defence so bought an extra centre half. Sold Cahill for 5m and bought Knight to replace him. Bought Harewood. His management was awful, tactics at home considering what he had at his disposal were shockingly bad. If we finished 6th playing great football and actually looking like a good team then yeah, I would want it all back tomorrow, but to be honest I don't really care where we are as long as we look a decent team. Sadly Bruce has similar afflictions tactically to O'Neill, so it might be a while.
Centre half wise, McGrath, Southgate, Mellberg, Laursen in that order in my time watching. Honourable mentions to Ugo, Teale and Vlaar. We have been fortunate there. I do like Chester too. I think hes the best centre half in the championship by a street. Calm head on him.
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I wouldn't mention Vlaar in the same breath as some of those players, the lily-livered big girl's blouse.
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Vlaar was for the most part injured or medicore. He cannot be compared to teale or ugo in any way whatsoever
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McGrath and Evans for me.
Agree Evans.
Massively underrated.
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And after a couple of seasons of finishing 6th we'd be moaning about it again. It's the nature of pretty much every football fan to always want more.
Of course. Just I'd appreciate it a little bit more given what we've experienced since 2011.
The difficulty with appreciating it more was the MON did such obviously fucking stupid things, and it drove us to distraction. Signed 3 right backs and still shoved a centre half there. Desperate for a goalscorer so signed Heskey. Needed a player that could unlock a defence so bought an extra centre half. Sold Cahill for 5m and bought Knight to replace him. Bought Harewood. His management was awful, tactics at home considering what he had at his disposal were shockingly bad. If we finished 6th playing great football and actually looking like a good team then yeah, I would want it all back tomorrow, but to be honest I don't really care where we are as long as we look a decent team. Sadly Bruce has similar afflictions tactically to O'Neill, so it might be a while.
Spot on, Ozz. The only point I would question is your last sentence. I've yet to understand what Bruce's are other than worse than MON's. At least he had Plan A, as crap as it was.
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And after a couple of seasons of finishing 6th we'd be moaning about it again. It's the nature of pretty much every football fan to always want more.
Of course. Just I'd appreciate it a little bit more given what we've experienced since 2011.
The difficulty with appreciating it more was the MON did such obviously fucking stupid things, and it drove us to distraction. Signed 3 right backs and still shoved a centre half there. Desperate for a goalscorer so signed Heskey. Needed a player that could unlock a defence so bought an extra centre half. Sold Cahill for 5m and bought Knight to replace him. Bought Harewood. His management was awful, tactics at home considering what he had at his disposal were shockingly bad. If we finished 6th playing great football and actually looking like a good team then yeah, I would want it all back tomorrow, but to be honest I don't really care where we are as long as we look a decent team. Sadly Bruce has similar afflictions tactically to O'Neill, so it might be a while.
Centre half wise, McGrath, Southgate, Mellberg, Laursen in that order in my time watching. Honourable mentions to Ugo, Teale and Vlaar. We have been fortunate there. I do like Chester too. I think hes the best centre half in the championship by a street. Calm head on him.
I agree his recruitment was dodgy but it's been catasprohic since he left bar Benteke.
Arguing about not signing a right back when we were going for top 4 looks pretty futile now when you consider the problems we've brought about ourselves over the last half decade.
At least he came in and got the club by the scruff of the neck for a bit. I agree we didn't always play easy on the eye football but bar the odd game we gave everyone in the premier league a game home and away.
I just hope it doesn't take decades for us to get back to that level, that's the worst case scenario.
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Neil Moxey is getting into a spat with the club on Twitter. He claimed we've spent £200m + in 12 months to go round in circles and Wyness replied that Moxey must be Diane Abbott's speechwriter!
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Neil Moxey is getting into a spat with the club on Twitter. He claimed we've spent £200m + in 12 months to go round in circles and Wyness replied that Moxey must be Diane Abbott's speechwriter!
Presume that's a reaction to Dr Tony calling some 'jerknalists' which was a little silly - part of the malaise around this football club over last few years has been created by journalists who felt embittered with lack of access to club news revelling in anything bad-club should not be rising to that type of comment on twitter, they should be trying to build a better relationship not getting in public spats
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Neil Moxey is getting into a spat with the club on Twitter. He claimed we've spent £200m + in 12 months to go round in circles and Wyness replied that Moxey must be Diane Abbott's speechwriter!
Moxey needs to re-evaluate where he's getting his information, needs to go and resit his GCSE Maths or needs to lay off the booze. Or maybe all three.
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reports that Dr T is recovering from heart surgery - get well soon.
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Dr. Tony XiaVerified account @Dr_TonyXia 2h
Done a cardiology surgery today been worried for twenty years. It tells that once there's any problem, we can't escape, have to solve it.
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The response of the bluenose on that twitter thread just beggars belief
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The response of the bluenose on that twitter thread just beggars belief
I saw that. He hates us enough to think and post something like that. It's incredible how sad some people are.
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All the best with your recovery Dr T.
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The response of the bluenose on that twitter thread just beggars belief
What was the response?
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The response of the bluenose on that twitter thread just beggars belief
What was the response?
"On a day like today its still all about attention seeking Tony and the historians. #avfc #bcfc"
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Get well soon, Tony.
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Before we get too moral, one or two on here hardly covered themselves in glory when Lady Brady had brain surgery.
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I'll still get moral as I think they're twats as well.
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The response of the bluenose on that twitter thread just beggars belief
What was the response?
"On a day like today its still all about attention seeking Tony and the historians. #avfc #bcfc"
Sent troll bluenose a nice message, I know it's petty but it makes me feel better 👍
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Dr. Tony XiaVerified account @Dr_TonyXia 2h2 hours ago
The long term mission unchanged. If we can't achieve in 8/10 yrs, we do 20 yrs, if 20 yrs not enough, I'll fight through my whole life#VTID
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Dr. Tony XiaVerified account @Dr_TonyXia 2h2 hours ago
The long term mission unchanged. If we can't achieve in 8/10 yrs, we do 20 yrs, if 20 yrs not enough, I'll fight through my whole life#VTID
"They have to take me out of here in a coffin......"
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8-10 years? He told us five!! Grrrrrrrrr.
Just take it a year at a time, but let's smash this division next season please!!
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Perhaps it's his way of saying he's here for the long -or medium term- haul.
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I still like him.
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Back to this cryptic shite again:
https://twitter.com/Dr_TonyXia/status/873218511673335808
One percent. Telephone Inbox Outbox
I just hope these potential signings are being made with a plan in mind. As opposed to just dumping them in the deep end and hoping they work out.
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I love that he fucks around and enjoys it. It's not doing any harm. He's quick to also piss all over shit rumours. Much rather his tweets than having to go through pages of spam or click bait to read a Villa story these days.
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Some will never be happy. He's a colourful character and so far at least hasn't just given us pr shit that we just want to hear. What he says is normally backed up by action.
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I hope he's pissing on the Whelan rumour - big time.
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Me too Mr U but I cannot shake the fear that Whelan is just the sort of signing Bruce will go for. For me the bringing in of players looking for one last pay day smacks of acceptance of Championship mid table status.
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Me too Mr U but I cannot shake the fear that Whelan is just the sort of signing Bruce will go for. For me the bringing in of players looking for one last pay day smacks of acceptance of Championship mid table status.
I think it is a similar signing to Chester, experienced and dependable. For me it is accepting that we are currently a mid table Championship side that needs to deal with the here and now in order to make us more than that.
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Not sure if this is old/new news and Wyness in now a member of Board of Directors:
Aston Villa have appointed Rongtian He to the Board of Directors.
He, who was appointed Executive Assistant to the Chairman and Oversea Business Officer upon Dr Tony Xia’s arrival at the club last summer, celebrates his 29th birthday on June 17 and was presented with the early gift on Tuesday.
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I hear what you say Chris but for every Chester there has been an Elphick and a McCormack, older, experienced players who have failed. I don't care how old they are or where they come from, what I do care about is our shocking record in recent times properly to evaluate players and what they bring to us to make us consistently good enough to win automatic promotion.
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I hear what you say Chris but for every Chester there has been an Elphick and a McCormack, older, experienced players who have failed. I don't care how old they are or where they come from, what I do care about is our shocking record in recent times properly to evaluate players and what they bring to us to make us consistently good enough to win automatic promotion.
Fair point, Brian, but I think that he is only available because they have signed Fletcher. He was a regular for them and Ireland last year so I think is a cut above Elphick.
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I don't like the idea of signing 33+ year olds .
It's a sign of ageing when the directors are younger than the players??
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In fairness with Whelan we're talking about a player who played in 30 odd Premier League games last season. For less than a million I can't see any harm in signing him. I'm not saying I want us to load up with loads of 30+ players, but someone who has been operating comfortably in the top flight would make us a stronger team.
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In fairness with Whelan we're talking about a player who played in 30 odd Premier League games last season. For less than a million I can't see any harm in signing him. I'm not saying I want us to load up with loads of 30+ players, but someone who has been operating comfortably in the top flight would make us a stronger team.
I think Whelan would add grit to our midfield. We're much too giving overall, and he would be coming for a year maybe two tops. He offers leadership, he was good enough as you say to play almost a full season of PL football and internationals. I can see the Elphick comparison, but that I would say is the other extreme. It was hard to imagine a decline of that magnitude in a players ability, so I'm willing to consider that an anomaly.
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Not sure if this is old/new news and Wyness in now a member of Board of Directors:
Aston Villa have appointed Rongtian He to the Board of Directors.
He, who was appointed Executive Assistant to the Chairman and Oversea Business Officer upon Dr Tony Xia’s arrival at the club last summer, celebrates his 29th birthday on June 17 and was presented with the early gift on Tuesday.
Isn't 'Rongtian' the Asian comdedian that appears on comedy panel shows and made a series going back to his roots with his mother?
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I thought he was the man who invented a way to measure radioactivity. Could be useful if we ever draw Chernobyl Dynamo in the Europa Cup.
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I thought he was the man who invented a way to measure radioactivity. Could be useful if we ever draw Chernobyl Dynamo in the Europa Cup.
I can't help thinking if there is actually a Chernobyl Dynamo. It just begs for jokes about being either explosive or a disaster.
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Tonev was their Player of the Season last year. Mr Nuclear Boots the Urals Bugle called him.
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Not sure if this is old/new news and Wyness in now a member of Board of Directors:
Aston Villa have appointed Rongtian He to the Board of Directors.
He, who was appointed Executive Assistant to the Chairman and Oversea Business Officer upon Dr Tony Xia’s arrival at the club last summer, celebrates his 29th birthday on June 17 and was presented with the early gift on Tuesday.
Who He?
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Tonev was their Player of the Season last year. Mr Nuclear Boots the Urals Bugle called him.
I called him 'Mr please don't hit my son or myself in the face with one of your wayward shots' when we were in the lower North Stand.
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Tonev was their Player of the Season last year. Mr Nuclear Boots the Urals Bugle called him.
I called him 'Mr please don't hit my son or myself in the face with one of your wayward shots' when we were in the lower North Stand.
You were fine there. It was the upper tier that were in trouble
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Tonev was their Player of the Season last year. Mr Nuclear Boots the Urals Bugle called him.
I called him 'Mr please don't hit my son or myself in the face with one of your wayward shots' when we were in the lower North Stand.
You were fine there. It was the upper tier that were in trouble
You make a very good point there. Maybe I should say we were in danger on one of his not quite so bad days.
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I wonder what the North Stand car park ball boy is doing these days.
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on a slow boat to China
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I remember seeing one of his first games where he ghosted past a midfielder and ran on to a ball like the clappers and hit it really really hard. It went into the upper Holte at a right pace, and seemed to be still accelerating when fans were getting out of the way, and I remember thinking, if he can just get those on target....we have a serious player....
Im a dick
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he never did though did he. Another Lambert masterstroke.
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Tonev was their Player of the Season last year. Mr Nuclear Boots the Urals Bugle called him.
I called him 'Mr please don't hit my son or myself in the face with one of your wayward shots' when we were in the lower North Stand.
To be fair, he scored an absolute screamer earlier in the season (can't remember if it was for his club or Bulgaria). I'm sure the number of 'absolute screamers' are still a distant second to 'finding the back of the stand' though.
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The bloke in the little boat (coracle?) at the old Gay Meadow Shrewsbury back in the day retrieving the ball from the river either would have hated him or loved him for the overtime payments and bonuses.
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Dr. Tony Xia @Dr_TonyXia
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on a slow boat to China
Taking the bloody weather with him.
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Dr. Tony Xia @Dr_TonyXia
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I'll second that equation.
If his derivative division were not shorting the pound during the the recent events, then I am a Chinaman.
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he is a Chinaman
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Thought you had a China man in cricket not football
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Thought you had a China man in cricket not football
Does the old Crystal Palace defender 'Rick Shaw' count as 'a China man'?
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What about the irish one? You know that Shan guy.
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A pub wit I once drank with saw a Korean player with a bandaged head at the world cup and named him 'Who Lamped You'.
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Was that from Bernard Manning circa 1973?
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Bernard Shaw circa 1873.
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He is trolling SHA regarding John Terry tonight. Bit cringeworthy if you ask me.
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(📞+💌+🎁+💰)/🔥*☁️=🌈？☀️? #UTV
This is one of his latest tweets tonight, nobody knows wtf he is on about, any clues?
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He is trolling SHA regarding John Terry tonight. Bit cringeworthy if you ask me.
Yeah, I'd rather he didn't do that. We'd be taking the piss at how small-time they were if one of their Board members did it.
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He is trolling SHA regarding John Terry tonight. Bit cringeworthy if you ask me.
Saying what?
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He ha put a picture up of a full Holte End and less than half full Sty and put the words 'follow your heart' or some such.
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It was also reference to a year ago when he took over, i think it's about his first anniversary and nothing to do with Terry.
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It was also reference to a year ago when he took over, i think it's about his first anniversary and nothing to do with Terry.
I don't like it really but yes, it's about his ownership of the club. Mercifully.
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(📞+💌+🎁+💰)/🔥*☁️=🌈？☀️? #UTV
This is one of his latest tweets tonight, nobody knows wtf he is on about, any clues?
4 contracts offered- one contract offered that's a bit pie in the sky = how many we get.
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Pie in sky is not chinese proverb, it is?
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Well on the upside
It was also reference to a year ago when he took over, i think it's about his first anniversary and nothing to do with Terry.
I don't like it really but yes, it's about his ownership of the club. Mercifully.
Well on the upside at least he appears to be on the mend and enjoying himself.
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It was also reference to a year ago when he took over, i think it's about his first anniversary and nothing to do with Terry.
Okay fair enough, it's not like the Meaning Evil to get a story wrong.
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Pie in sky is not chinese proverb, it is?
Maybe Tone is a fan of early 90's sitcoms
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It was also reference to a year ago when he took over, i think it's about his first anniversary and nothing to do with Terry.
Okay fair enough, it's not like the Meaning Evil to get a story wrong.
Regardless of any Terry link, he's clearly having a dig at Small Heath, which is fairly small time. I still like him, but consider this a misstep.
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Dr. Tony Xia @Dr_TonyXia
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He's been taken hostage and trying to communicate what they want for his release. No idea any more.
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💘🔜📃🖌📌#UTV
He would love to sign someone soon and pin them down!
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I don't mind an owner who likes to poke fun at Small Heath. We do it all the time. He is only a young bloke. We have had enough of owners who position themselves on the lofty heights. Cringeworthy is letting Ferguson choose our manager.
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The small heath trolling was hardly anything major either, he was just taking the piss. That last tweet is interesting. Johnstone maybe... Or a young/ Barry return...
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💘🔜📃🖌📌#UTV
He would love to sign someone soon and pin them down!
I reckon it's "I fell in love too soon, had to sign divorce papers and felt a bit of a prick".
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The small heath trolling was hardly anything major either, he was just taking the piss. That last tweet is interesting. Johnstone maybe... Or a young/ Barry return...
I thought the small heath trolling was a bit unnecessary but it was amusing seeing them bite. As for the transfer tweets, it's just a bit of fun I suppose and keeps it interesting, even if some of the clues are straight out of an episode of 3-2-1.
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We got a player lined up but he just needs to sign the contract, not done yet but stick a pin in it? Glenn Whelan?
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💘🔜📃🖌📌#UTV
He would love to sign someone soon and pin them down!
[Ted Rogers voice]
And pin rhymes with bin. Yes, that's right. You've won Dusty Bin!
[/Ted Rogers voice]
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Not sure calling someone a jerk is the best way for him to respond.
https://twitter.com/Dr_TonyXia/status/879321699916763136?s=04
Followed by
"Usually I don't care what nasty people saying, but I 'd like to rebuild some 'fighting spirit' starting from me for the club. 🤺"
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Oh, calling this jerk a jerk is more than ok.
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To be fair the guy has quoted a random story about some dodgy chinese business practices which contains no reference to recon or Xia and tried to suggest it should worry Villa fans. The guy is shit-stirring so I'm more than happy for Xia to call him out on it.
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I am as well, but i'd like to think he can do a better job of it rather than just calling him a jerk.
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I am as well, but i'd like to think he can do a better job of it rather than just calling him a jerk.
It does appeal to the inner schoolboy. Bit like Krulak's wrestling pigs thing. When h I acknowledge didn't end too well...
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And while I'm here:
*waves at pelty* hope your Dad is well.
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Dear me. I wish he would just stop twittering.
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I am as well, but i'd like to think he can do a better job of it rather than just calling him a jerk.
He already coined the term ''jerkalist'' to call-out some other hack recently. Think of it as a recurring motif, brandished when his integrity is being questioned.
You tell'em, Tone.
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To be fair the guy has quoted a random story about some dodgy chinese business practices which contains no reference to recon or Xia and tried to suggest it should worry Villa fans. The guy is shit-stirring so I'm more than happy for Xia to call him out on it.
I thought that too, never mentioned the other Midland clubs with Chinese owners in his tweet. Whenever I have heard him on the radio, he does come across as a bit of a tool.
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Ignoring the tool for a minute, the FT is a little worrying isn't it? We, and all the other clubs who are now Chinese owned to be honest, no nothing about their owners. Rather than have a go at the tool, maybe we should be questioning the FT journalist, or would that set there hares running? I so want to believe and so far nothing the Doc has done ha sled me to believe he is not true to his word. Let's hope it stays that way 🙏
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Ignoring the tool for a minute, the FT is a little worrying isn't it? We, and all the other clubs who are now Chinese owned to be honest, no nothing about their owners. Rather than have a go at the tool, maybe we should be questioning the FT journalist, or would that set there hares running? I so want to believe and so far nothing the Doc has done ha sled me to believe he is not true to his word. Let's hope it stays that way 🙏
The truth will be known when we see the accounts.
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Dear me. I wish he would just stop twittering.
Me too. It will only end in tears.
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In China, as one of many hundreds of "Recognised" Entrepreneurs that are allowed to export capital - mainly to the Caymans/Luxembourg/Virgin Islands etc..Xia wasn't
Mr Xia has been in the front runners, and used his mainland China money to support us.
Wolves, Baggies, Blues are all invested out of tax havens outside of China.
FOR THAT STANDING...I'VE GIVEN HIM THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT.
But the stagnant development of Villa Academies in China and also India
could well mean financial problems.... if so, it may detract from our investments long term.
Mr Xia is a one-man-band, a yeller and a bawler on Twitter, mainly with bad English when he is speaking to English-Readers.
This "jerk-anlist" nonsense may work in China mainland, when a rich billionaire can end a journo's career overnight !
But it doesn't happen here Tony.
You insult one journo and you get a dozen come back at you.
Edit their Twitter comments as much as your staff can, as fast as they can...but I promise you, those replies will be posted and gloated about on the dingles and baggies sites within hours.
Because they are TOTALLY IGNORANT COMMENTS.
Mr Xia...I never wanted you as an owner, because of what I saw read about your "HISTORY"
Basically...in 8...20 years ;D...you will go down as an abberation.
You do nothing to enhance us.... spent money, yes...through total ignorance you have wasted millions.
You should have spoken to us fans, before you let rip your EXPERTISE on Football and squandered your company's money.
There you Go...
A Dell-Boy conning the bosses with his CV and Academies.
And CONNING US
I Don't Believe One Word That Xia Spouts Anymore.
His Tweets are getting a bit mental now, and we will become a bigger joke
- through him
- than we were with RDM
Thank God they had Zola ;D
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Good grief
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That was a bit meta.
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You're criticising the Doc for his bad English when we have to break out the Rosetta Stone for every one of your posts?
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Have you been eating crayons again?
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In China, as one of many hundreds of "Recognised" Entrepreneurs that are allowed to export capital - mainly to the Caymans/Luxembourg/Virgin Islands etc..Xia wasn't
Mr Xia has been in the front runners, and used his mainland China money to support us.
Wolves, Baggies, Blues are all invested out of tax havens outside of China.
FOR THAT STANDING...I'VE GIVEN HIM THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT.
But the stagnant development of Villa Academies in China and also India
could well mean financial problems.... if so, it may detract from our investments long term.
Mr Xia is a one-man-band, a yeller and a bawler on Twitter, mainly with bad English when he is speaking to English-Readers.
This "jerk-anlist" nonsense may work in China mainland, when a rich billionaire can end a journo's career overnight !
But it doesn't happen here Tony.
You insult one journo and you get a dozen come back at you.
Edit their Twitter comments as much as your staff can, as fast as they can...but I promise you, those replies will be posted and gloated about on the dingles and baggies sites within hours.
Because they are TOTALLY IGNORANT COMMENTS.
Mr Xia...I never wanted you as an owner, because of what I saw read about your "HISTORY"
Basically...in 8...20 years ;D...you will go down as an abberation.
You do nothing to enhance us.... spent money, yes...through total ignorance you have wasted millions.
You should have spoken to us fans, before you let rip your EXPERTISE on Football and squandered your company's money.
There you Go...
A Dell-Boy conning the bosses with his CV and Academies.
And CONNING US
I Don't Believe One Word That Xia Spouts Anymore.
His Tweets are getting a bit mental now, and we will become a bigger joke
- through him
- than we were with RDM
Thank God they had Zola ;D
You were that Journalist weren't you?
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Some Good Replies ;D
Truly...
However I am not a MR Xia sycophant..I don't join in the usual Twitter praise and idol worship.
I go on facts.
ESTABSLISHED FACTS
In My Opinion...ok?
Xia is a charlatan, a desperate wannabe in China.
When he does a 'Face-to-Face' interview on UK TV - like Doug - I may trust him more
but he won't ;D
4 Years in the US and he is IN-ARTICULATE in English.
Does that give any of you, a cause to wonder ?
Jeez... He's given us loads of financial support...
- I can't deny that
- He believes he is a Villa man
It's just that he is so bloody IGNORANT...about Football.
Ripped off Left-and-Right by advisors and managers...
...Xia still thinks he knows what he's doing in English Football.
..brags about his knowledge
... insults journalists
... has 'heart problems' after 20 years - no hospital/country named 8)
... back up in a week to attend another ego-conference..well Twittered by himself
... and back on twitter with total nonsense 8 days later
PLEASE...let us all give thanks to Xia, for releasing us from the deadening hand of Lerner.
BUT PLEASE.... in your thanks... don't 'suck-up' to Xia, don't be a typical villan-sycophant.
KEEP AN OPEN MIND
See what he claimed and see what exists... that's pretty easy :D
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Probably Clampy but writing for whom? The Stanley Unwin Society monthly newsletter I suspect. Deep joy in the fundamold.
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Why should he tell the world what hospital he had his surgery in? Seriously, you're either a wind up merchant or just a very odd person or possibly both.
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I go on facts.
ESTABSLISHED FACTS
In My Opinion...ok?
Xia is a charlatan, a desperate wannabe in China.
That above alone proves you're on a wind up, or simply just write what the voices in your tell you.
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... blah blah blah..
Because they are TOTALLY IGNORANT COMMENTS.
Mr Xia...I never wanted you as an owner, because of what I saw read about your "HISTORY"
Basically...in 8...20 years ;D...you will go down as an abberation.
You do nothing to enhance us.... spent money, yes...through total ignorance you have wasted millions.
Awesome, thanks for sharing .
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Alftitmus, could you please stop posting in the style of a ransom note.
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Alftitmus, could you please stop posting in the style of a ransom note.
I like it. I reckon we could record a song around those lyrics.
(Copyright to me if it turns into a major worldwide hit)
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Alftitmus, could you please stop posting in the style of a ransom note.
That made me laugh on a dull morning. Thank you.
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Alftitmus, could you please stop posting in the style of a ransom note.
fixed
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Is there a 'letters ripped out of a newspaper' font we could use?
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I think those letters that you have to read to prove you are not a robot would be perfect.
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Some Good Replies ;D
Truly...
However I am not a MR Xia sycophant..I don't join in the usual Twitter praise and idol worship.
I go on facts.
ESTABSLISHED FACTS
In My Opinion...ok?
Xia is a charlatan, a desperate wannabe in China.
When he does a 'Face-to-Face' interview on UK TV - like Doug - I may trust him more
but he won't ;D
4 Years in the US and he is IN-ARTICULATE in English.
Does that give any of you, a cause to wonder ?
Jeez... He's given us loads of financial support...
- I can't deny that
- He believes he is a Villa man
It's just that he is so bloody IGNORANT...about Football.
Ripped off Left-and-Right by advisors and managers...
...Xia still thinks he knows what he's doing in English Football.
..brags about his knowledge
... insults journalists
... has 'heart problems' after 20 years - no hospital/country named 8)
... back up in a week to attend another ego-conference..well Twittered by himself
... and back on twitter with total nonsense 8 days later
PLEASE...let us all give thanks to Xia, for releasing us from the deadening hand of Lerner.
BUT PLEASE.... in your thanks... don't 'suck-up' to Xia, don't be a typical villan-sycophant.
KEEP AN OPEN MIND
See what he claimed and see what exists... that's pretty easy :D
You appear to lack a touch of self-awareness with the "IN-ARTICULATE in English." criticism.
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I think those letters that you have to read to prove you are not a robot would be perfect.
I don't usually have much luck with them. I must be a robot.
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I think those letters that you have to read to prove you are not a robot would be perfect.
I don't usually have much luck with them. I must be a robot.
I normally struggle with the one that asks for me to click all squares with a road sign in them.
I go into a 'does not compute' meltdown as to whether it means just the signs themselves, the post on which the sign is mounted, the square that contains a tiny edge of one of the signs....
# Error 404 not found 🤖🤖🤖
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Hees eEnngliSh knot is gud.
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I think those letters that you have to read to prove you are not a robot would be perfect.
I don't usually have much luck with them. I must be a robot.
I normally struggle with the one that asks for me to click all squares with a road sign in them.
I go into a 'does not compute' meltdown as to whether it means just the signs themselves, the post on which the sign is mounted, the square that contains a tiny edge of one of the signs....
# Error 404 not found 🤖🤖🤖
Yep, I have trouble with the road signs thing too. Pretty much for the exact same same reason as you.
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Love how all these Noses are slagging him off for being obsessed with them when they're all following him on twitter. Still don't understand irony.
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Some Good Replies ;D
Truly...
However I am not a MR Xia sycophant..I don't join in the usual Twitter praise and idol worship.
I go on facts.
ESTABSLISHED FACTS
In My Opinion...ok?
Xia is a charlatan, a desperate wannabe in China.
When he does a 'Face-to-Face' interview on UK TV - like Doug - I may trust him more
but he won't ;D
4 Years in the US and he is IN-ARTICULATE in English.
Does that give any of you, a cause to wonder ?
Jeez... He's given us loads of financial support...
- I can't deny that
- He believes he is a Villa man
It's just that he is so bloody IGNORANT...about Football.
Ripped off Left-and-Right by advisors and managers...
...Xia still thinks he knows what he's doing in English Football.
..brags about his knowledge
... insults journalists
... has 'heart problems' after 20 years - no hospital/country named 8)
... back up in a week to attend another ego-conference..well Twittered by himself
... and back on twitter with total nonsense 8 days later
PLEASE...let us all give thanks to Xia, for releasing us from the deadening hand of Lerner.
BUT PLEASE.... in your thanks... don't 'suck-up' to Xia, don't be a typical villan-sycophant.
KEEP AN OPEN MIND
See what he claimed and see what exists... that's pretty easy :D
"Inarticulate in English" says the man posting one of the least articulate, most grammatically puzzling posts this site has ever seen.
He's Chinese, what's your excuse, you crushing dimwit?
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I think those letters that you have to read to prove you are not a robot would be perfect.
I don't usually have much luck with them. I must be a robot.
Does Damo 70 Dream of Electric Sheep?
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4 Years in the US and he is IN-ARTICULATE in English.
I have lived in the USA for 30 years and I am still barely capable of stringing a sentence together. So I give the good doctor a pass on that one.
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this whole thread is pinko commie fake news bull shit
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Some Good Replies ;D
Truly...
However I am not a MR Xia sycophant..I don't join in the usual Twitter praise and idol worship.
I go on facts.
ESTABSLISHED FACTS
In My Opinion...ok?
Xia is a charlatan, a desperate wannabe in China.
When he does a 'Face-to-Face' interview on UK TV - like Doug - I may trust him more
but he won't ;D
4 Years in the US and he is IN-ARTICULATE in English.
Does that give any of you, a cause to wonder ?
Jeez... He's given us loads of financial support...
- I can't deny that
- He believes he is a Villa man
It's just that he is so bloody IGNORANT...about Football.
Ripped off Left-and-Right by advisors and managers...
...Xia still thinks he knows what he's doing in English Football.
..brags about his knowledge
... insults journalists
... has 'heart problems' after 20 years - no hospital/country named 8)
... back up in a week to attend another ego-conference..well Twittered by himself
... and back on twitter with total nonsense 8 days later
PLEASE...let us all give thanks to Xia, for releasing us from the deadening hand of Lerner.
BUT PLEASE.... in your thanks... don't 'suck-up' to Xia, don't be a typical villan-sycophant.
KEEP AN OPEN MIND
See what he claimed and see what exists... that's pretty easy :D
"Inarticulate in English" says the man posting one of the least articulate, most grammatically puzzling posts this site has ever seen.
He's Chinese, what's your excuse, you crushing dimwit?
Be FaIr hE's going on FAcTs........ESTABLISHED FACTS....
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(in his opinion...)
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Some Good Replies ;D
Truly...
However I am not a MR Xia sycophant..I don't join in the usual Twitter praise and idol worship.
I go on facts.
ESTABSLISHED FACTS
In My Opinion...ok?
Xia is a charlatan, a desperate wannabe in China.
When he does a 'Face-to-Face' interview on UK TV - like Doug - I may trust him more
but he won't ;D
4 Years in the US and he is IN-ARTICULATE in English.
Does that give any of you, a cause to wonder ?
Jeez... He's given us loads of financial support...
- I can't deny that
- He believes he is a Villa man
It's just that he is so bloody IGNORANT...about Football.
Ripped off Left-and-Right by advisors and managers...
...Xia still thinks he knows what he's doing in English Football.
..brags about his knowledge
... insults journalists
... has 'heart problems' after 20 years - no hospital/country named 8)
... back up in a week to attend another ego-conference..well Twittered by himself
... and back on twitter with total nonsense 8 days later
PLEASE...let us all give thanks to Xia, for releasing us from the deadening hand of Lerner.
BUT PLEASE.... in your thanks... don't 'suck-up' to Xia, don't be a typical villan-sycophant.
KEEP AN OPEN MIND
See what he claimed and see what exists... that's pretty easy :D
Your very critical of Dr Tony's grammar but yours isn't very good England either.
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Some Good Replies ;D
Truly...
However I am not a MR Xia sycophant..I don't join in the usual Twitter praise and idol worship.
I go on facts.
ESTABSLISHED FACTS
In My Opinion...ok?
Xia is a charlatan, a desperate wannabe in China.
When he does a 'Face-to-Face' interview on UK TV - like Doug - I may trust him more
but he won't ;D
4 Years in the US and he is IN-ARTICULATE in English.
Does that give any of you, a cause to wonder ?
Jeez... He's given us loads of financial support...
- I can't deny that
- He believes he is a Villa man
It's just that he is so bloody IGNORANT...about Football.
Ripped off Left-and-Right by advisors and managers...
...Xia still thinks he knows what he's doing in English Football.
..brags about his knowledge
... insults journalists
... has 'heart problems' after 20 years - no hospital/country named 8)
... back up in a week to attend another ego-conference..well Twittered by himself
... and back on twitter with total nonsense 8 days later
PLEASE...let us all give thanks to Xia, for releasing us from the deadening hand of Lerner.
BUT PLEASE.... in your thanks... don't 'suck-up' to Xia, don't be a typical villan-sycophant.
KEEP AN OPEN MIND
See what he claimed and see what exists... that's pretty easy :D
Your very critical of Dr Tony's grammar but yours isn't very good England either.
LOL.
It is the H&V way that if you pick someone up on their grammar, you will invariably fuck something up yourself in doing so.
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I gave The Edge the benefit of the doubt and assumed he had done that on purpose. Not sure, mind.
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I gave The Edge the benefit of the doubt and assumed he had done that on purpose. Not sure, mind.
It was deliberate. I use it quite a bit
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Was the "Your" at the start of the previous post deliberate, too?
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Some Good Replies ;D
Truly...
However I am not a MR Xia sycophant..I don't join in the usual Twitter praise and idol worship.
I go on facts.
ESTABSLISHED FACTS
In My Opinion...ok?
Xia is a charlatan, a desperate wannabe in China.
When he does a 'Face-to-Face' interview on UK TV - like Doug - I may trust him more
but he won't ;D
4 Years in the US and he is IN-ARTICULATE in English.
Does that give any of you, a cause to wonder ?
Jeez... He's given us loads of financial support...
- I can't deny that
- He believes he is a Villa man
It's just that he is so bloody IGNORANT...about Football.
Ripped off Left-and-Right by advisors and managers...
...Xia still thinks he knows what he's doing in English Football.
..brags about his knowledge
... insults journalists
... has 'heart problems' after 20 years - no hospital/country named 8)
... back up in a week to attend another ego-conference..well Twittered by himself
... and back on twitter with total nonsense 8 days later
PLEASE...let us all give thanks to Xia, for releasing us from the deadening hand of Lerner.
BUT PLEASE.... in your thanks... don't 'suck-up' to Xia, don't be a typical villan-sycophant.
KEEP AN OPEN MIND
See what he claimed and see what exists... that's pretty easy :D
Your very critical of Dr Tony's grammar but yours isn't very good England either.
LOL.
It is the H&V way that if you pick someone up on their grammar, you will invariably fuck something up yourself in doing so.
Touche. (pronounced too shay)
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Was the "Your" at the start of the previous post deliberate, too?
No.
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Trust me guy's. Next time someone in your company makes a statement that's a bit confusing use the phrase "thats not very good England" and you will get a laugh. Assuming you have my sense of comedy timing that is.( Apologies in advance for any grammatical imperfections in my reply)
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Trust me guy's. Next time someone in your company makes a statement that's a bit confusing use the phrase "thats not very good England" and you will get a laugh. Assuming you have my sense of comedy timing that is.( Apologies in advance for any grammatical imperfections in my reply)
You're getting good at this.
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I gave The Edge the benefit of the doubt and assumed he had done that on purpose. Not sure, mind.
That must be the first time in history anyone on H&V has given the benefit of the doubt to any member of U2.
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this whole site is pinko commie fake news bull shit
Corrected. (not the grammar part, that would have been too obvious)
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Trust me guy's. Next time someone in your company makes a statement that's a bit confusing use the phrase "thats not very good England" and you will get a laugh. Assuming you have my sense of comedy timing that is.( Apologies in advance for any grammatical imperfections in my reply)
You're getting good at this.
Ha ha ha - I am laughing reading this last page. And will tread carefully, yet probably still do some basic error.
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You started a sentence with "And"?
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And?
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You started a sentence with "And"?
From Merriam-Webster
Many people content themselves with the trusted maxim "do not begin sentences with and or but." If you are interested in learning whether or not this is a sensible rule, well, it is not. And if you don’t much care whether the rule is sensible or not, and just want to keep telling people that they are wrong when they use certain words to begin their sentences, well, you are in luck, since there have been many more prohibitions against sentence-initial words than just and and but.
Firstly, has it ever been wrong to begin a sentence with and or but? No, it has not. We have been breaking this rule all the way from the 9th century Old English Chronicle through the current day. Many translations of the Bible are filled with sentence-initial ands and buts, and they even may be found in some of our more beloved—and prescriptive—usage guides. The 1959 edition of Strunk and White’s The Elements of Style begins two sentences in a row with these prohibited words, and does so with nary a trace of self-consciousness.
But since writing is communication, clarity can only be a virtue. And although there is no substitute for merit in writing, clarity comes closest to being one.
—William Strunk Jr. & E. B. White, The Elements of Style, 1959
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You started a sentence with "And"?
From Merriam-Webster
Many people content themselves with the trusted maxim "do not begin sentences with and or but." If you are interested in learning whether or not this is a sensible rule, well, it is not. And if you don’t much care whether the rule is sensible or not, and just want to keep telling people that they are wrong when they use certain words to begin their sentences, well, you are in luck, since there have been many more prohibitions against sentence-initial words than just and and but.
Firstly, has it ever been wrong to begin a sentence with and or but? No, it has not. We have been breaking this rule all the way from the 9th century Old English Chronicle through the current day. Many translations of the Bible are filled with sentence-initial ands and buts, and they even may be found in some of our more beloved—and prescriptive—usage guides. The 1959 edition of Strunk and White’s The Elements of Style begins two sentences in a row with these prohibited words, and does so with nary a trace of self-consciousness.
But since writing is communication, clarity can only be a virtue. And although there is no substitute for merit in writing, clarity comes closest to being one.
—William Strunk Jr. & E. B. White, The Elements of Style, 1959
For me it's not OK unless BE says it's OK.
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BE is down with using "And" at the start of a sentence. And so am I. It's come up on here before.
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Oh dear.
Look, I like Dr X, but he's just retweeted the obviously fake "quote by Jose Mourinho".
That's a bit embarrassing.
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Oh dear.
Look, I like Dr X, but he's just retweeted the obviously fake "quote by Jose Mourinho".
That's a bit embarrassing.
It's just a joke, what's the big deal?
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to post on this thread you's need more gooder inglish. parody.
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We've signed someone today according to tony, I think
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✍️👏🏻#UTV
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We've signed someone today according to tony, I think
I saw that tweet and like a lot of Tony's tweets I can't fathom it out. Can anyone decipher it?
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We've signed someone today according to tony, I think
I saw that tweet and like a lot of Tony's tweets I can't fathom it out. Can anyone decipher it?
Signed, round of applause Up the Villa
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We've signed someone today according to tony, I think
I saw that tweet and like a lot of Tony's tweets I can't fathom it out. Can anyone decipher it?
Signed, round of applause Up the Villa
Ta for that.
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You started a sentence with "And"?
From Merriam-Webster
Many people content themselves with the trusted maxim "do not begin sentences with and or but." If you are interested in learning whether or not this is a sensible rule, well, it is not. And if you don’t much care whether the rule is sensible or not, and just want to keep telling people that they are wrong when they use certain words to begin their sentences, well, you are in luck, since there have been many more prohibitions against sentence-initial words than just and and but.
Firstly, has it ever been wrong to begin a sentence with and or but? No, it has not. We have been breaking this rule all the way from the 9th century Old English Chronicle through the current day. Many translations of the Bible are filled with sentence-initial ands and buts, and they even may be found in some of our more beloved—and prescriptive—usage guides. The 1959 edition of Strunk and White’s The Elements of Style begins two sentences in a row with these prohibited words, and does so with nary a trace of self-consciousness.
But since writing is communication, clarity can only be a virtue. And although there is no substitute for merit in writing, clarity comes closest to being one.
—William Strunk Jr. & E. B. White, The Elements of Style, 1959
For me it's not OK unless BE says it's OK.
We were told that it would be marked against us in English GCSE's back in the 90's. Somehow I fluked double A, so im sticking to my principles.
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We were told that it would be marked against us in English GCSE's back in the 90's. Somehow I fluked double A, so im sticking to my principles.
GCSEs and '90s. Definitely a fluke!
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You started a sentence with "And"?
From Merriam-Webster
Many people content themselves with the trusted maxim "do not begin sentences with and or but." If you are interested in learning whether or not this is a sensible rule, well, it is not. And if you don’t much care whether the rule is sensible or not, and just want to keep telling people that they are wrong when they use certain words to begin their sentences, well, you are in luck, since there have been many more prohibitions against sentence-initial words than just and and but.
Firstly, has it ever been wrong to begin a sentence with and or but? No, it has not. We have been breaking this rule all the way from the 9th century Old English Chronicle through the current day. Many translations of the Bible are filled with sentence-initial ands and buts, and they even may be found in some of our more beloved—and prescriptive—usage guides. The 1959 edition of Strunk and White’s The Elements of Style begins two sentences in a row with these prohibited words, and does so with nary a trace of self-consciousness.
But since writing is communication, clarity can only be a virtue. And although there is no substitute for merit in writing, clarity comes closest to being one.
—William Strunk Jr. & E. B. White, The Elements of Style, 1959
For me it's not OK unless BE says it's OK.
We were told that it would be marked against us in English GCSE's back in the 90's. Somehow I fluked double A, so im sticking to my principles.
Double A? How did you manage that? Did you take it twice?
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Literature and Language. Take that Miss Wait, you said I would be lucky to pass at all!
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We've signed someone today according to tony, I think
I saw that tweet and like a lot of Tony's tweets I can't fathom it out. Can anyone decipher it?
Paid by cheque, got the clap.
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He posted this earlier, seemingly not in reply to any tweet from Kodjia:
@Dr_TonyXia
Thanks,@J_Kodjia .Get ready for the big season! #UTV
Some are surmising that because Kodjia wears 26, it's a thank you for agreeing to give that number to John Terry.
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Eugh.
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26 being Terrys` IQ I assume
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Has anybody knocked up a shirt with the Chelsea badge on yet?
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Kodjia - 26 - I read is Turkey bound.
I hope that is rubbish, and it was a handover of a shirt number and not a Vacancy.
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Kodjia - 26 - I read is Turkey bound.
I hope that is rubbish, and it was a handover of a shirt number and not a Vacancy.
Certainly hope not. He was our best player last season from what I saw.
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There's no chance he'll be ruining his career by moving to Turkey.
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Can't help but think that the Doc's recent Small Heath taunting is exactly what we'd expect from them about us. I'd prefer us to rise above that tbh.
👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻📞Welcome JT to Birmingham city...Aston Villa🌈!#UTV! @AVFCOfficial Announcement shortly!
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Agree entirely. It makes us look very small-time. I'm a Xia fan, and don't mind his use of Twitter generally, but ignore those Mickey Mouse clowns from Bordesley, please.
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It's a bit distasteful, but he's just having a laugh I reckon.
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It's a bit of fun. We've been the butt of jokes for the last 7/8 years. And at times from the likes of those tossers at West Ham because of their Blues connection. This is light hearted, and it's not small time. People need to relax a little. Xia for the most part has used social media well to connect with a new audience and communicate to fans. Embarrassing is what Lerner was with his prolonged silence coupled with his mad periodic statements.
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It's a bit of fun. We've been the butt of jokes for the last 7/8 years. And at times from the likes of those tossers at West Ham because of their Blues connection. This is light hearted, and it's not small time. People need to relax a little. Xia for the most part has used social media well to connect with a new audience and communicate to fans. Embarrassing is what Lerner was with his prolonged silence coupled with his mad periodic statements.
It is a bit of fun for someone like Gregory to tweet that but not really appropriate for a man in his position.
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I find it puerile and a little bit unnecessary. Leave them to themselves, they're probably reloading the gun and lifting their foot ready for the next shot as I type this.
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I think I might sick up a kidney.
https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/881840731551391744
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His digs at Blues are a bit unnecessary, childish but amusing at the same time. I can only presume he must get some personal abuse off them.
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I'm finding it harder and harder to care one way or another about the peripheral stuff.
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I'm finding it harder and harder to care one way or another about the peripheral stuff.
Me too Ads. There is so much more to concern ourselves with. Also Xia is athe chairman of a football club. I get that comes with a requirement to be responsible and classy but this kind of stuff is so very trivial. Outside of this stuff he's been very classy, respectful and ultimately delivered on supporting his manager in trying to get us promoted.
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I think I might sick up a kidney.
https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/881840731551391744
wtf ? I saw it before, and thought - good humor - and now I see it is from the Official Twitter?? Is that self irony?
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I think I might sick up a kidney.
https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/881840731551391744
wtf ? I saw it before, and thought - good humor - and now I see it is from the Official Twitter?? Is that self irony?
Dreadful shite.
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Dreadful to me and a certain age group for sure. But not to the youth who it's aimed at lets be honest
It's like moaning about the kits and sponsors logos when you've no intention of buying one anyway as you're over 30 and realise they'll look silly anyway
If it engages the young blood it's all good by me.
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Aren't they making fun of our own players? Kodjia etc
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I think I might sick up a kidney.
https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/881840731551391744
Oh come on. Its an obvious lameish joke from our social media folks. Its still a step up from Captain Jack signing in a bathtub.
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That tweet is fucking embarrasing, I'd be pissing myself laughing if there chairman did it. As I said in the Terry thread, this signing is purely an ego massage for the chairman, ridiculous.
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That tweet is fucking embarrasing, I'd be pissing myself laughing if there chairman did it. As I said in the Terry thread, this signing is purely an ego massage for the chairman, ridiculous.
The signing has pros and cons, but the only thing that's ridiculous is the suggestion it's just about massaging his ego.
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Excellent tweet, engagement of the fan base and amusing. I am a grouchy old fecker but it made me smile, blimey it's just a bit of fun. As long as we don't have a team band and a fanfare when we score I'm happy.
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That tweet is fucking embarrasing, I'd be pissing myself laughing if there chairman did it. As I said in the Terry thread, this signing is purely an ego massage for the chairman, ridiculous.
The signing has pros and cons, but the only thing that's ridiculous is the suggestion it's just about massaging his ego.
Let's be brutally honest.
His ego needs no massaging and is as big as the whale in Moby Dick, and as big as Dirk Dickler's dick in Boogie Nights.
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All the clubs are doing a social media video "reveals" of new signings. Ours is by far the funniest.
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We always used to present ourselves with a bit of class, this kind of thing would of been done by the likes of Gold/Sullivan and we'd be rightly pointing and laughing.
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We always used to present ourselves with a bit of class, this kind of thing would of been done by the likes of Gold/Sullivan and we'd be rightly pointing and laughing.
Things have moved on and social media is vital to our marketing strategy. A simple here he is and here's the shirt won't cut it. I wouldn't be surprised if the tweet resulted in a few more season ticket sales. About time we had some ingenuity and marketing sense.
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I know how things move on and what a powerful tool Social Media is in marketing and promoting, I completely get that. What I don't get is our chairman using it to take digs at those lot, i'm sorry to keep repeating it but we really are better than that. He probably thinks its funny and is scoring points over them but what he's actually done , is give them there team talk and motivation for both games against us this season, he may aswell of used the 2002 Mellberg speech.
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Anything that gives that club significance is best avoided.
They live to be noticed by us and now they have succeeded.
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Excellent tweet, engagement of the fan base and amusing. I am a grouchy old fecker but it made me smile, blimey it's just a bit of fun. As long as we don't have a team band and a fanfare when we score I'm happy.
This..it's just a bit of fun, lighten up people...we know that on the pitch is what matters but this isn't hurting us..
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I think I might sick up a kidney.
https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/881840731551391744
I think it's quite funny, particularly when Laursen, Mellberg and God leave the group.
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I think I might sick up a kidney.
https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/881840731551391744
I think it's quite funny, particularly when Laursen, Mellberg and God leave the group.
Yeah, just a harmless bit of fun, and I must admit I did laugh a bit when Bob Warman read out that "poem" on Central News tonight.
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It's fair to say you can gauge the age of people on here based on their reactions to that WhatsApp thing
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I think it's a bit naff but recognise it's not aimed at me. I don't really mind it, though.
I do mind the petty digs at Small Heath that give their sad little lives an unwarranted sense of meaning.
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Just seen the Twitter thing. To be honest I thought it was quite whimsical and liked it.
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Just seen the Twitter thing. To be honest I thought it was quite whimsical and liked it.
Well, he's summed up this transfer fairly succinctly.
Dr. Tony XiaVerified account @Dr_TonyXia 10h10 hours ago
Sweet or Sour? Depends on what you choose! #FansFeeling#WelcomeTerry
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I think I might sick up a kidney.
https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/881840731551391744
That is awful, but then I'm old :-[
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The Whatsapp thing is the most imaginative thing I've seen Villa's marketing department do in years. Better than "Ask Bennett" at least.
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Nothing Villa do off the pitch is as cringeworthy or humiliating as what we've done on it, many times.
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I thought the WhatsApp thing was really ingenious, properly in touch with Villa in terms of the Dr's cryptic maths tweets, our legendary and much loved defenders, Gabby putting his foot in it, etc.
It has come in for so much stick on Twitter but I think it was the most in-tune thing Villa's social media have ever done - certainly that I can recall anyway.
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I thought the WhatsApp thing was really ingenious, properly in touch with Villa in terms of the Dr's cryptic maths tweets, our legendary and much loved defenders, Gabby putting his foot in it, etc.
It has come in for so much stick on Twitter but I think it was the most in-tune thing Villa's social media have ever done - certainly that I can recall anyway.
Yeah, I thought it was pretty funny. It's good that the Doc is clearly happy to poke fun at himself.
I like the Kodgia shocked eyes at the 26 thing too.
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I thought the WhatsApp thing was really ingenious, properly in touch with Villa in terms of the Dr's cryptic maths tweets, our legendary and much loved defenders, Gabby putting his foot in it, etc.
It has come in for so much stick on Twitter but I think it was the most in-tune thing Villa's social media have ever done - certainly that I can recall anyway.
Who has criticised it on Twitter - rival fans or our own over 40's ?
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I thought the Whatsapp thing was very funny. Just needed one of the defenders to reply to Gabby that in signing Terry we'd also signed a better forward than him.
I thought the Central News one was very sad. Imagine what we'd be saying if that was the other way around?
So I like one, but not the other. I have no idea how old I am now.
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It goes back to some of the comments over the last year about DrT. Football is meant to be fun, make you smile, an escape from the hum-drum of life. It's a little bit juvenile yes, but it's better than the hiding and radio silence we had for so long under the previous owner.
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I like the comment - how do McGrath / Laursen / Mellberg use whatsapp - they preceded it!!!
Maybe they have bought a phone in the last few years ;D
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I thought the WhatsApp thing was really ingenious, properly in touch with Villa in terms of the Dr's cryptic maths tweets, our legendary and much loved defenders, Gabby putting his foot in it, etc.
It has come in for so much stick on Twitter but I think it was the most in-tune thing Villa's social media have ever done - certainly that I can recall anyway.
Who has criticised it on Twitter - rival fans or our own over 40's ?
Being one of the latter; I thought it was cringeworthy
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I think I might sick up a kidney.
https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/881840731551391744
Oh come on. Its an obvious lameish joke from our social media folks. Its still a step up from Captain Jack signing in a bathtub.
I think its great - i'm old(er) but have to use twitter for work and this is pretty funny #bantz #prayforjt(tobeagoodsigning)
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I thought the WhatsApp thing was really ingenious, properly in touch with Villa in terms of the Dr's cryptic maths tweets, our legendary and much loved defenders, Gabby putting his foot in it, etc.
It has come in for so much stick on Twitter but I think it was the most in-tune thing Villa's social media have ever done - certainly that I can recall anyway.
Who has criticised it on Twitter - rival fans or our own over 40's ?
I had a quick scan of the comments under Villa's tweet and it was a broad range really. Lots of Villa fans, online magazines, other fans. It got a lot of praise too, though.
I like the humility of it, it's very down to earth and self-effacing in a way. I read that a few clubs have done slightly 'out there' reveals to break news in recent times, this is a unique and forward-thinking effort from Villa. The sweetness of all these ex Villa players and alumni in a WhatsApp group after so long, still in touch, still talking Villa. Villa family and all that. It could easily have been a set of fans who created this, and perhaps that's what the criticism is: It's not corporate enough for some?
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I think I might sick up a kidney.
https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/881840731551391744
I think it's quite funny, particularly when Laursen, Mellberg and God leave the group.
Just seen it and thought that was funny too
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Thumbs up from me.
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I thought the WhatsApp thing was really ingenious, properly in touch with Villa in terms of the Dr's cryptic maths tweets, our legendary and much loved defenders, Gabby putting his foot in it, etc.
It has come in for so much stick on Twitter but I think it was the most in-tune thing Villa's social media have ever done - certainly that I can recall anyway.
Who has criticised it on Twitter - rival fans or our own over 40's ?
Being one of the latter; I thought it was cringeworthy
Me too (and I think eamonn is a cheeky bastard but I'm not allowed to say so am I?)
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Feel free!
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I hadn't realised it was an actual thing from the club, thought it was something that the Lad Bible had knocked up. Made my toes curl, for balance my 14 year old social media savvy son wasn't impressed either.
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I thought it mildly amusing, and different. Is the Villa Twitter guy still that Small Heath adherent? If so, some kudos due him.
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Gets a big 👍 from me. I think that's brilliant
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I thought the WhatsApp thing was really ingenious, properly in touch with Villa in terms of the Dr's cryptic maths tweets, our legendary and much loved defenders, Gabby putting his foot in it, etc.
It has come in for so much stick on Twitter but I think it was the most in-tune thing Villa's social media have ever done - certainly that I can recall anyway.
Who has criticised it on Twitter - rival fans or our own over 40's ?
Being one of the latter; I thought it was cringeworthy
I'm not one of the latter and I thought it was embarrassing.
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I thought the WhatsApp thing was really ingenious, properly in touch with Villa in terms of the Dr's cryptic maths tweets, our legendary and much loved defenders, Gabby putting his foot in it, etc.
It has come in for so much stick on Twitter but I think it was the most in-tune thing Villa's social media have ever done - certainly that I can recall anyway.
Who has criticised it on Twitter - rival fans or our own over 40's ?
Being one of the latter; I thought it was cringeworthy
I'm not one of the latter and I thought it was embarrassing.
I am one of the latter and I think it's brilliant.
Quite how anyone can think it's embarrassing I don't know. Why would it cause embarrassment or be cringeworthy?
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I thought the WhatsApp thing was really ingenious, properly in touch with Villa in terms of the Dr's cryptic maths tweets, our legendary and much loved defenders, Gabby putting his foot in it, etc.
It has come in for so much stick on Twitter but I think it was the most in-tune thing Villa's social media have ever done - certainly that I can recall anyway.
Who has criticised it on Twitter - rival fans or our own over 40's ?
Being one of the latter; I thought it was cringeworthy
I'm not one of the latter and I thought it was embarrassing.
I am one of the latter and I think it's brilliant.
Quite how anyone can think it's embarrassing I don't know. Why would it cause embarrassment or be cringeworthy?
I'd rather stick a portrait of Greg Wallace and John Torode above my mantelpiece than play that through again.
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Quite how anyone can think it's embarrassing I don't know. Why would it cause embarrassment or be cringeworthy?
They invented an imaginary conversation between players, the manager and the owner. It's the sort of stuff I'd expect a bored teenager to come up with, not the behaviour of one of the biggest football clubs in the land.
Haven't they got better stuff to be getting on with?
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Quite how anyone can think it's embarrassing I don't know. Why would it cause embarrassment or be cringeworthy?
They invented an imaginary conversation between players, the manager and the owner. It's the sort of stuff I'd expect a bored teenager to come up with, not the behaviour of one of the biggest football clubs in the land.
Haven't they got better stuff to be getting on with?
Isn't the Villa social media manager a Bluenose? - maybe his idea of a bit of fun.
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Quite how anyone can think it's embarrassing I don't know. Why would it cause embarrassment or be cringeworthy?
They invented an imaginary conversation between players, the manager and the owner. It's the sort of stuff I'd expect a bored teenager to come up with, not the behaviour of one of the biggest football clubs in the land.
Haven't they got better stuff to be getting on with?
They had fun, did something unique, got people talking about the marketing and media side of the club. Job done.
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I am of middle age have encompassed social media and think it was was inventive and original and was in no way embarrassing. In terms of have they nothing better to do? What would we want a marketing dude doing?
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I don't see how it's embarrassing either.
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Its not original or inventive, its something that has been done many times over the past 6 months. Its very much whats 'in' at the minute though, almost everybody can relate to a Whatsapp group. I personally thought it was absolutly wank but this wasn't aimed at miserable bastards like me, I can imagine the majority of the younger generation loving it.
While he's here (And I really wish he wasn't) the club need to market the shit out of brand JT at the Villa (sick bucket).
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I am in one side of the 40 year divide and out the other. I have forgotten how to cringe. Gabby with his eyeballs rolled back in his skull was the last time I think I cringed.
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Don't really see the problem with it, it's clearly tongue in cheek.
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It was a bit of fun, no harm done whatsoever.
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I'm not bothered by it, apart from as a club I think we're coming across as a bit starstruck. The club, and some fans (see that tattoo) are behaving like i'd expect someone like Torquay would. Or at least I think they are. And i'd think that even if I was in favour of us signing him.
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I couldn't care less about it.
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I'm not bothered by it, apart from as a club I think we're coming across as a bit starstruck. The club, and some fans (see that tattoo) are behaving like i'd expect someone like Torquay would. Or at least I think they are. And i'd think that even if I was in favour of us signing him.
Some of it has been over the top. The kids will love it obviously which is possibly who it's aimed towards but hopefully it will die down after a while.
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Who has criticised it on Twitter - rival fans or our own over 40's ?
I resent the implication - being over 65 - I thought it was quite funny. :)
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There are some really po-faced, stick-up-their-rear-end people on this thread........oh well...
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I'm not bothered by it, apart from as a club I think we're coming across as a bit starstruck. The club, and some fans (see that tattoo) are behaving like i'd expect someone like Torquay would. Or at least I think they are. And i'd think that even if I was in favour of us signing him.
The tattoo was kind of a bet. He'd said on twitter there was no way Terry would join us and if he did he'd get his name tattooed on his arse. Fair play to him for going through with it.
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I'm not bothered by it, apart from as a club I think we're coming across as a bit starstruck. The club, and some fans (see that tattoo) are behaving like i'd expect someone like Torquay would. Or at least I think they are. And i'd think that even if I was in favour of us signing him.
The tattoo was kind of a bet. He'd said on twitter there was no way Terry would join us and if he did he'd get his name tattooed on his arse. Fair play to him for going through with it.
I know the chap who got the tattoo and that's exactly what happened.
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Well remove the tattoo element from my post but imo the rest still stands.
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Tone hinting Vertout could stay if the right offer doesn't come in and he wants to play. Better option than Whelan surely
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Tone hinting Vertout could stay if the right offer doesn't come in and he wants to play. Better option than Whelan surely
I saw that but immediately thought it a negotiating tactic.
I just can't see Veretout fighting for us in the Championship - he was too unhappy with us.
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Yeh def a negotiating tactic
Not likely to be that influential
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Seeing the reaction generally around the net about the announcement with that WhatsApp feed, I now think it was a good move - at first a bit surprised. I am a big fan of FC Bayern's social media department, who make a lot of jokes about themselves and they seem very successful in that area. Therefor I am applauding them for this.
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There are some really po-faced, stick-up-their-rear-end people on this thread........oh well...
Aw shucks.
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Tone hinting Vertout could stay if the right offer doesn't come in and he wants to play. Better option than Whelan surely
Whelan would kick the grizzling moaner all over the park. If he doesn't want to play for the best football club God ever invented, then bugger off!!
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Dr Tony has tweeted cryptically about Joe Hart saying "you gotta have Heart" & "Stand by me"
Could this be true & that would explain why Johnstone is not on board yet.
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Excellent tweet, engagement of the fan base and amusing. I am a grouchy old fecker but it made me smile, blimey it's just a bit of fun. As long as we don't have a team band and a fanfare when we score I'm happy.
Another old feck agrees with you Frank.
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I'm not bothered by it, apart from as a club I think we're coming across as a bit starstruck. The club, and some fans (see that tattoo) are behaving like i'd expect someone like Torquay would. Or at least I think they are. And i'd think that even if I was in favour of us signing him.
The tattoo was kind of a bet. He'd said on twitter there was no way Terry would join us and if he did he'd get his name tattooed on his arse. Fair play to him for going through with it.
Most of the Mancs up here who have mentioned it to me seem to be a bit bemused that we would not want him. Tactically, the right player for 1 season. We need a leader on the pitch more than we need a centre half. Whether or not Terry will prove that is to be seen, but a logical choice. For the record, I would rather he went somewhere else and think we are taking a risk in three main ways: Reputation-if he spouts his racist shit or shags the club mascot; he may get injured easily; he may get sent off a few times as he will be an obvious target. He is also a lot slower and will need the nous of Lord McG to prove his worth.
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Tone hinting Vertout could stay if the right offer doesn't come in and he wants to play. Better option than Whelan surely
Whelan would kick the grizzling moaner all over the park. If he doesn't want to play for the best football club God ever invented, then bugger off!!
I agree with most of that except the bit about God. He doesn't exist.
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Dr Tony has tweeted cryptically about Joe Hart saying "you gotta have Heart" & "Stand by me"
Could this be true & that would explain why Johnstone is not on board yet.
Our kid Tone doesn't mess about, likes to go for the big names. If he manages to get Hart we should all applaud him.
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Anyone worked out the latest tweet?
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He's tweeted again about 40 minutes ago. To me it is the most baffling one yet; may or may not refer to a player.
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What is it?
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I assume aimed at Whelan, or Elmo.
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It's this:
If most fans say someone not good then very likely isn't good; if a lots of fans say someone good, maybe still not good. #BigDataTheory
But since then, he's posted some more emoji stuff.
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🤐⏸...🗓⏰☎️：💰⚖️❌✅
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Missed that one. I think he's saying he wants a Buzz Lightyear for Christmas.
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It starts with a zipped mouth emoji, then a pause button,
then a calendar, then a clock, then a telephone, then a colon.
After the colon is a bag of money, some scales, an X and a tick.
It must be great to be rich and mad as a balloon.
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🤐⏸...🗓⏰☎️：💰⚖️❌✅
Zippy pause morse code notepad clockphone money scale redcross tick, cheers tone. Beep beep chimney
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I've struggled with some of his Tweets, but this one seems pretty obvious to me.
ABBA are reforming.
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🤐⏸...🗓⏰☎️：💰⚖️❌✅
Zippy pause morse code notepad clockphone money scale redcross tick, cheers tone. Beep beep chimney
This one's easy Tony, Kept quiet and paused for breath' looked at the calendar and saw time was jogging on, got on the phone to spend money, weighed up the options , do we buy or do we not ? 🤔
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What the hell is happening with ffp all of a sudden?!
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Hart to sign, it's obvious!
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What the hell is happening with ffp all of a sudden?!
Forget FFP, Dr Tone does what he wants
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Maybe he knows we'll be selling a player, or players, for X amount?
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Can't say anything, there's a deadline to call us back.
Money offered, which now needs to be considered.
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Can't say anything, there's a deadline to call us back.
Money offered, which now needs to be considered.
Sounds right. Rebus winner
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Can't say anything, there's a deadline to call us back.
Money offered, which now needs to be considered.
Something deep and dark detective.
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Can't say anything, there's a deadline to call us back.
Money offered, which now needs to be considered.
Something deep and dark detective.
Idris Elba?
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"Sometime still can't help being mad with some contracts inherited. People were either stupid enough or double paid by others?"
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"Sometime still can't help being mad with some contracts inherited. People were either stupid enough or double paid by others?"
Hard to know for sure, but is he suggesting those offering the contracts may have been benefitting from them too?
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Heartening to know that, Terry apart, we're likely paying reasonable amounts to our current lot signed under Xia.
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"Sometime still can't help being mad with some contracts inherited. People were either stupid enough or double paid by others?"
Hard to know for sure, but is he suggesting those offering the contracts may have been benefitting from them too?
It sounds that way. I'm hoping it's lost in translation to be honest.
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"Sometime still can't help being mad with some contracts inherited. People were either stupid enough or double paid by others?"
Hard to know for sure, but is he suggesting those offering the contracts may have been benefitting from them too?
Not if he doesn't want his ass sued he isn't.
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Can't say anything, there's a deadline to call us back.
Money offered, which now needs to be considered.
Good work. I think I'd agree with the first bit, waiting on someone basically and set a deadline. The second bit I think is if the money comes in we can balance it against an incoming deal.
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"Sometime still can't help being mad with some contracts inherited. People were either stupid enough or double paid by others?"
Hard to know for sure, but is he suggesting those offering the contracts may have been benefitting from them too?
Not if he doesn't want his ass sued he isn't.
I do wonder how much our Tone uses English-as-a-second-language as an excuse to say stuff a native-speaker would end up in court over.
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Nonetheless that is exactly what he appears to be implying - but he hasn't named names, I guess that is the difference between an insinuation and not. I feel pissed off on his behalf about some of the contracts and I don't even have to pay for them.
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Gabby's contract must be one of the one's he's referring to. I wonder who else?
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｛85%+99%+(50%+50%+50%)/3}-51%-51%--51%-65%-10%-10% ⚖️📈#UTV
Any ideas?
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Can any seasoned Tonyologists help me with this recent one:
｛85%+99%+(50%+50%+50%)/3}-51%-51%--51%-65%-10%-10% ⚖️📈#UTV
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Sorry, what Kippax said.
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Two almost in, one of three halfway in, three halfway out, one just over halfway out, and a couple slight chance of them leaving.
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Oh, and it's all in the balance and I'm hot.
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Up to six players potentially leaving at various degrees of likelihood. Good. Shift the dreck.
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I'm presuming the ins are St. Johnstone, St. Elmo's Fire, and St. Jude.
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Any ideas?
Albert Einstein would struggle with this shit
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right this is becoming simpler but I'll get a few wrong...
1 in which is 85% done
I presume Sam Johnstone is the 99 % one
I can't remember what the parentheses players mean
6 out 2 at only 10 %
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1 very close
1 all but done
3 potential targets looked at which are reasonably close
6 potentially going at varying stages of exit.
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I can actually understand that one. Johnstone about to be announced, Elmo nearly done and one more to come in. In the case of the latter, we have a couple of alternatives in case the first choice doesn't happen.
6 outgoing. 4 are about half way done (I'll speculate that they're close to agreeing a fee), 1 that's a little further along (maybe an offer has been accepted) and 2 where there has been an initial enquiry.
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Sorry, haven't been reading much. Who's Elmo?
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Elmohamady from Hull.
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Elmohamady from Hull.
Thanks.
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I guess Hutton out, Elmohamady in isn't bad business at all. Younger and better, also covers more positions.
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I guess Hutton out, Elmohamady in isn't bad business at all. Younger and better, also covers more positions.
True except we've still got Bree, RDL, Richards, Adomah, Green and Bacuna who play in the positions he is used to so even if Hutton leaves he's not needed. If he wants a new winger or wing back then he's looking at the wrong side of the pitch.
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I guess Hutton out, Elmohamady in isn't bad business at all. Younger and better, also covers more positions.
True except we've still got Bree, RDL, Richards, Adomah, Green and Bacuna who play in the positions he is used to so even if Hutton leaves he's not needed. If he wants a new winger or wing back then he's looking at the wrong side of the pitch.
All of Green's starts came on the LW last season. Richards I still hold some hope we can shift.
So I'd see it as:
RBs: RDL, Bree
RMs: Adomah, Bacuna with Elmahamady covering both positions, and actually above Bacuna in the pecking order.
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I guess Hutton out, Elmohamady in isn't bad business at all. Younger and better, also covers more positions.
True except we've still got Bree, RDL, Richards, Adomah, Green and Bacuna who play in the positions he is used to so even if Hutton leaves he's not needed. If he wants a new winger or wing back then he's looking at the wrong side of the pitch.
All of Green's starts came on the LW last season. Richards I still hold some hope we can shift.
So I'd see it as:
RBs: RDL, Bree
RMs: Adomah, Bacuna with Elmahamady covering both positions, and actually above Bacuna in the pecking order.
Bold bit, yes they did, because we don't have a left winger and he's ok on that side. That's largely my point.
To add to your list:
LBs: Taylor
LMs: Green (sort of), Grealish (sort of)
On that basis should we be signing a RB/RM or a left sided player?
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I guess Hutton out, Elmohamady in isn't bad business at all. Younger and better, also covers more positions.
True except we've still got Bree, RDL, Richards, Adomah, Green and Bacuna who play in the positions he is used to so even if Hutton leaves he's not needed. If he wants a new winger or wing back then he's looking at the wrong side of the pitch.
All of Green's starts came on the LW last season. Richards I still hold some hope we can shift.
So I'd see it as:
RBs: RDL, Bree
RMs: Adomah, Bacuna with Elmahamady covering both positions, and actually above Bacuna in the pecking order.
Bold bit, yes they did, because we don't have a left winger and he's ok on that side. That's largely my point.
To add to your list:
LBs: Taylor
LMs: Green (sort of), Grealish (sort of)
On that basis should we be signing a RB/RM or a left sided player?
I would like to see us sign an out-and-out left sided player, just to give us balance, though in the modern game it is common to see wide players playing on the 'opposite' side.
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You mean like how Youngy and Stewy used to swap around for shits'n'giggles ?
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You mean like how Youngy and Stewy used to swap around for shits'n'giggles ?
Good example right there. Predominantly right footed player who played predominantly on the left side.
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You mean like how Youngy and Stewy used to swap around for shits'n'giggles ?
Good example right there. Predominantly right footed player who played predominantly on the left side.
Indeed, and Green might become the same but we'd still be relying on an 18/19 year old as our only left winger whilst having a 29 year old right winger (regardless of who starts) sat on the bench. Green is a very promising player and I want to see him play but if we only sign 1 winger and they can only play on 1 side then it has to be the left that we look to strengthen. Personally I'd rather see us looking for someone quick and skillful who is happy on either side. Elmo just isn't the type of player we need and doesn't give us cover where we really need it.
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You mean like how Youngy and Stewy used to swap around for shits'n'giggles ?
Good example right there. Predominantly right footed player who played predominantly on the left side.
Indeed, and Green might become the same but we'd still be relying on an 18/19 year old as our only left winger whilst having a 29 year old right winger (regardless of who starts) sat on the bench. Green is a very promising player and I want to see him play but if we only sign 1 winger and they can only play on 1 side then it has to be the left that we look to strengthen. Personally I'd rather see us looking for someone quick and skillful who is happy on either side. Elmo just isn't the type of player we need and doesn't give us cover where we really need it.
I agree with that to be honest Paul and think we could do with a naturally left sided player to give us a bit of balance. Adomah, a new signing and Green would give us some options with Grealish and Kodjia as other possibilities.
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Kodjia likes to drift left and cut in. That was his most dangerous aspect. Buying a left sided plahyer makes no sense if he's going to crowd Kodjia's room. With henry, because of his preference to start wide left and cut in Arsenal's other attacking options were focused on the right hand side, therefore it makes sense to look for a right sided player for team balance rather than a left sided player because we don't have as many of them. This would also show Bruce is thinking.
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Kodjia likes to drift left and cut in. That was his most dangerous aspect. Buying a left sided plahyer makes no sense if he's going to crowd Kodjia's room. With henry, because of his preference to start wide left and cut in Arsenal's other attacking options were focused on the right hand side, therefore it makes sense to look for a right sided player for team balance rather than a left sided player because we don't have as many of them. This would also show Bruce is thinking.
For that Arsenal side the best season (03-04) they had was with Henry and Bergkamp up front and Pires on the left and it was the right winger (Ljungberg generally) who more often drifted inside. It worked because it meant Pires kept the right back honest and the central defenders couldn't drift too far apart because of the threat of Bergkamp. With Ljungberg included they had 3 players who were 'between the lines' which made them much harder to mark.
We don't have players of the same quality but the same principles apply, if Kodjia has it on the left and the nearest players are Hogan and Adomah on the right side of the box then you can just mark the space instead which allows the defence to squeeze the ball. Get a player or 2 near to him and suddenly those defenders have another thing to worry about.
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You mean like how Youngy and Stewy used to swap around for shits'n'giggles ?
Good example right there. Predominantly right footed player who played predominantly on the left side.
Or O Leary playing Barry on the right and Hendrie on the left.
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Kodjia likes to drift left and cut in. That was his most dangerous aspect. Buying a left sided plahyer makes no sense if he's going to crowd Kodjia's room. With henry, because of his preference to start wide left and cut in Arsenal's other attacking options were focused on the right hand side, therefore it makes sense to look for a right sided player for team balance rather than a left sided player because we don't have as many of them. This would also show Bruce is thinking.
For that Arsenal side the best season (03-04) they had was with Henry and Bergkamp up front and Pires on the left and it was the right winger (Ljungberg generally) who more often drifted inside. It worked because it meant Pires kept the right back honest and the central defenders couldn't drift too far apart because of the threat of Bergkamp. With Ljungberg included they had 3 players who were 'between the lines' which made them much harder to mark.
We don't have players of the same quality but the same principles apply, if Kodjia has it on the left and the nearest players are Hogan and Adomah on the right side of the box then you can just mark the space instead which allows the defence to squeeze the ball. Get a player or 2 near to him and suddenly those defenders have another thing to worry about.
Pires was a midfielder not a winger so that wouldn't work. Pires also cut inside often - mainly because he was right-footed but not being a winger or having any pace he couldn't get behind a defence through speed alone. Plus, that was Henry's area. Again, with us, we are very unbalanced because of Kodjia so it is difficult to see him, Grealish, Green & Hogan playing in the same team.
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Sorry that was crap, not very good sat the uploading lark. Struggling to make sense if this one tho!
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I still think Bree could end up as part of the 3 in a 3 5 2 or as a holding midfielder. De Leat still has a way to go after the injury. Bacuna is a central midfielder in truth. Richards is erm... trying to enter some kind of body building competition.
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Dr. Tony Xia @Dr_TonyXia
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｛99%+100%+(85%+0%+50%)/3+(50%-50%)}-100%-99.9%-90%-65%-95%-(85%+50%)-10%
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Two incomings nearly done (Whelan & Elmo?) with a third being a choice from three. Four outgoings.
Or not.
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I'm pretty sure green favours playing on the left
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｛99%+100%+(85%+0%+50%)/3+(50%-50%)}-100%-99.9%-90%-65%-95%-(85%+50%)-10%
Easy Peasy Japanese- 2 almost definitely in plus one more in a three way battle for signature with ourselves in prime position, plus one which is only 50% chance of happening. One definitely going plus another one just about to and a third exit likely, followed by one less likely but then another one more likely to go with two loan deals ( in brackets) one likely and one less with a final not probable at all exit at 10%.
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Johnny Ball would be turning in his grave. {If he was dead +99%}
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Its easy, he has rated on a percentage level our standard of starting player plus substitutes.
Worryingly they average -25%....
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You need to be Professor Stephen Hawking to work those numbers out.
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Sorry that was crap, not very good sat the uploading lark. Struggling to make sense if this one tho!
It's not your uploading. The built in image uploader crops the thumbnails
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｛99%+100%+(85%+0%+50%)/3+(50%-50%)}
1 signing pretty much done.
1 signing done.
1 signing which is a choice of 3 with 1 unlikely and 1 that seems probable.
1 deal that's halfway but that might be a swap
-100%-99.9%-90%-65%-95%-(85%+50%)-10%
1 definitely going
1 going that is just to be signed off
1 going that should conclude soon
1 going that is moving along but is a way off
1 going that should conclude soon
1 fairly well progressed as going which may end up with a swap
1 other enquiry that's in the early stages
So potentially 8 going out and 5 coming in.
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I liked Tony for his no nonsense comments on transfers - but this is just bollocks and is doing my head in - please stop
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It's like trying to work out Ted Rodgers' clues on 3-2-1. Or something a silly teenager might post in an attempt to grab attention.
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i like it - at least its true and we know where we are if not who the players are. No need for gossip columns as Tone tells us.
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It's like trying to work out Ted Rodgers' clues on 3-2-1. Or something a silly teenager might post in an attempt to grab attention.
Maybe someone needs to tweet him "You ok hun?"
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It's like trying to work out Ted Rodgers' clues on 3-2-1. Or something a silly teenager might post in an attempt to grab attention.
Maybe someone needs to tweet him "You ok hun?"
Hookeysmith is fummin.
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It's like trying to work out Ted Rodgers' clues on 3-2-1. Or something a silly teenager might post in an attempt to grab attention.
Maybe someone needs to tweet him "You ok hun?"
Hookeysmith is fummin.
peter w likes this.
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It's like trying to work out Ted Rodgers' clues on 3-2-1. Or something a silly teenager might post in an attempt to grab attention.
Maybe someone needs to tweet him "You ok hun?"
Hookeysmith is fummin.
Sorry but what does this mean - I do not use any form of social media and I am not a teenager
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Google states its something to do with cars and different engines :o :o :o :o :o
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It's like trying to work out Ted Rodgers' clues on 3-2-1. Or something a silly teenager might post in an attempt to grab attention.
Maybe someone needs to tweet him "You ok hun?"
Hookeysmith is fummin.
Sorry but what does this mean - I do not use any form of social media and I am not a teenager
Ha, top bantz, pm me laterz. #sadnessinoureyes
As if I know what any of this means. I still cant get over the fact that Netscape isn't my way into the tinternet any more
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Dr. Tony Xia @Dr_TonyXia
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99%+100%+(85%+0%+50%)/3+(50%-50%)}-100%-99.9%-90%-65%-95%-(85%+50%)-10%
This was the one he posted earlier in the month:
85%+99%+(50%+50%+50%)/3}-51%-51%--51%-65%-10%-10% so there has been some movement on the goings out.
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It's like trying to work out Ted Rodgers' clues on 3-2-1. Or something a silly teenager might post in an attempt to grab attention.
Maybe someone needs to tweet him "You ok hun?"
Hookeysmith is fummin.
Sorry but what does this mean - I do not use any form of social media and I am not a teenager
Ha, top bantz, pm me laterz. #sadnessinoureyes
As if I know what any of this means. I still cant get over the fact that Netscape isn't my way into the tinternet any more
Netscape!!!
Those were the days when ISPs gave their service away for free, you just had to pay for the phone call to dial up to the internet!
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It's like trying to work out Ted Rodgers' clues on 3-2-1. Or something a silly teenager might post in an attempt to grab attention.
Maybe someone needs to tweet him "You ok hun?"
Hookeysmith is fummin.
Sorry but what does this mean - I do not use any form of social media and I am not a teenager
Sorry pal, there's a Facebook page highlighting idiots that post on social media with terrible English called You Ok Hun?, and one of their tags is the misspelling of fuming.
Wasn't a dig at you at all, just picking up Moët Villans reply.
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It's like trying to work out Ted Rodgers' clues on 3-2-1. Or something a silly teenager might post in an attempt to grab attention.
Maybe someone needs to tweet him "You ok hun?"
Hookeysmith is fummin.
Sorry but what does this mean - I do not use any form of social media and I am not a teenager
Sorry pal, there's a Facebook page highlighting idiots that post on social media with terrible English called You Ok Hun?, and one of their tags is the misspelling of fuming.
Wasn't a dig at you at all, just picking up Moët Villans reply.
Thanks - I was not thinking it was a dig - it was a genuine question as I don't do facetwat etc so I do not understand any of the references
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It appears to get down with the kids, you just omit half the letters in each word, drop in any number of z's and bob's your uncle. (Bobz ur unkl. Lolz)
grrr
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What is it with you old people?
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Its called experience
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What is it with you old people?
In general, we hate young people, unless we are related to them. And sometimes, even that's not enough.
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Dr. Tony Xia @Dr_TonyXia
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99%+100%+(85%+0%+50%)/3+(50%-50%)}-100%-99.9%-90%-65%-95%-(85%+50%)-10%
This was the one he posted earlier in the month:
85%+99%+(50%+50%+50%)/3}-51%-51%--51%-65%-10%-10% so there has been some movement on the goings out.
Someone ask Tony if he knows how much wood could a woodchuck chuck if woodchuck could chuch wood.
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You eventually become so old you hate everybody. That is why God invented dementia.
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God clearly doesn't exist as we are stuck in the Championship with a fair to middling team and manager.......If he did, we'd be all conquering and top of the lot, and loathed by most. The only bit we are close to is the last bit,
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God clearly doesn't exist as we are stuck in the Championship with a fair to middling team and manager.......If he did, we'd be all conquering and top of the lot, and loathed by most. The only bit we are close to is the last bit,
God does exist, and the proof is that he gave us Birmingham City to laugh at.
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It's like trying to work out Ted Rodgers' clues on 3-2-1. Or something a silly teenager might post in an attempt to grab attention.
Maybe someone needs to tweet him "You ok hun?"
Hookeysmith is fummin.
Sorry but what does this mean - I do not use any form of social media and I am not a teenager
Ha, top bantz, pm me laterz. #sadnessinoureyes
As if I know what any of this means. I still cant get over the fact that Netscape isn't my way into the tinternet any more
Netscape!!!
Those were the days when ISPs gave their service away for free, you just had to pay for the phone call to dial up to the internet!
My email address with Compuserve was a string of numbers
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Tony's Twittering is all a bit unseemly isnt it. I hope he stops soon.
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I must admit, some of the gifs reacting to his equation on Twitter had me laughing my arse off. If you're still pissed off by our boring football, take a look to brighten your mood.
(https://media.giphy.com/media/PYEGoZXABBMuk/200.gif)
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Perfect gif
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(?%){0<?<=100}-?(-){5<?<=8}
Clear as mud
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Its called experience
Itz cld Xperyntz? 8)
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(?%){0<?<=100}-?(-){5<?<=8}
Clear as mud
Worst one so far. Is that a cock and balls at the end ?
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For you maybe, for the rest of us it's more like <=====================8
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guffaw
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For you maybe, for the rest of us it's more like <=====================8
Speak for yourself.....
/-------------------------O
\-------------------------O
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For you maybe, for the rest of us it's more like <=====================8
Speak for yourself.....
/-------------------------O
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Tiny balls?
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For you maybe, for the rest of us it's more like <=====================8
Speak for yourself.....
/-------------------------O
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Drummond likes to use width.
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(?%){0<?<=100}-?(-){5<?<=8}
Clear as mud
Normally I can make sense out of them, but all of can fathom out of this is that between 5 and 8 players leaving.
I think.
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I thought I could make sense (pretty much) of Tone's Tweets but he's beaten me this time.
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tweets explained (http://i.imgur.com/lglU0.gif)
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Looked this up:-
In maths the symbol < means less than
And the > symbol means greater than
Can it be assumed that ? means unknown.
Have yet to find a site that explains in words and examples I can understand how the (), {} and [] brackets work in maths.
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You had to google what > and < mean in maths?
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I had to Lougle what Google means.
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I'm assuming summed up it's no more will be coming in unless between 5 and 8 leave. Let's see.
Veretout
Elphick
Richards - probably loan
Gardner - wouldn't be surprised to see him back at Forest.
Tshibola
Cissokho
Mccaramac
Amavi
Any other offers.
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Looked this up:-
In maths the symbol < means less than
And the > symbol means greater than
Can it be assumed that ? means unknown.
Have yet to find a site that explains in words and examples I can understand how the (), {} and [] brackets work in maths.
From uni I seem to recall () and [] are treated exactly the same and just used for nesting.
{} are for sets (i.e. odd numbers under 10 = {1,3,5,7,9})
However on topic his formulas don't really follow any maths rules, they're logic based so the same rules don't apply, he seems to just use any of the brackets to block info together.
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I'm assuming summed up it's no more will be coming in unless between 5 and 8 leave. Let's see.
Veretout
Elphick
Richards - probably loan
Gardner - wouldn't be surprised to see him back at Forest.
Tshibola
Cissokho
Mccaramac
Amavi
Any other offers.
Mccaramac....! Brilliant
Hmmmmmmm.......caramac🍫
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(http://themidult.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/university-challenge-young-ones.jpg)
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(http://img2.thejournal.ie/inline/2488898/original?width=298&version=2488898)
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(http://thumb.ibb.co/jPzSPk/IMG_1199.jpg) (http://ibb.co/jPzSPk)
A man that will never feel the touch of a woman or other man - shame
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(http://thumb.ibb.co/jPzSPk/IMG_1199.jpg) (http://ibb.co/jPzSPk)
A man that will never feel the touch of a woman or other man - shame
He's cute. Who is he?
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(http://thumb.ibb.co/jPzSPk/IMG_1199.jpg) (http://ibb.co/jPzSPk)
A man that will never feel the touch of a woman or other man - shame
He's cute. Who is he?
Everyone knows who Eric Monkman is surely?
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(http://thumb.ibb.co/jPzSPk/IMG_1199.jpg) (http://ibb.co/jPzSPk)
A man that will never feel the touch of a woman or other man - shame
I bet he bloody will. He was so popular on the TV there were news articles etc about the guy.
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The new series of University Challenge started this week, I shall be eagerly waiting the appearance of this years 'Monkman'. Legend.
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(http://thumb.ibb.co/jPzSPk/IMG_1199.jpg) (http://ibb.co/jPzSPk)
A man that will never feel the touch of a woman or other man - shame
I bet he bloody will. He was so popular on the TV there were news articles etc about the guy.
He looks like he's being rear ended in that photo as it happens.
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and not enjoying it much - he's got a 'come on, what else can you show me' kind of vibe going.
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When I grow up I want to be Monkman. He was awesome
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Ugh, it's lunchtime, please refrain.
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It's Monk Time
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(http://thumb.ibb.co/jPzSPk/IMG_1199.jpg) (http://ibb.co/jPzSPk)
A man that will never feel the touch of a woman or other man - shame
I bet he bloody will. He was so popular on the TV there were news articles etc about the guy.
He looks like he's being rear ended in that photo as it happens.
Nah. He's looking at Paxman and thinking as we all do "What a wanker!".
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(http://thumb.ibb.co/jPzSPk/IMG_1199.jpg) (http://ibb.co/jPzSPk)
A man that will never feel the touch of a woman or other man - shame
He's cute. Who is he?
He is Gavin off of Gavin And Stacey wearing specs.
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It's Monk Time
Another band called The Monks, but a little less politically correct this time
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You had to google what > and < mean in maths?
Duh! They both mean angry eyebrows, obviously.
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You had to google what > and < mean in maths?
Duh! They both mean angry eyebrows, obviously.
No, its 'Me so solly' in Chinese emojis.
*This post has been brought to you by the 1970s and Jim Davidson*
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I like the Doctor. But I wish he would finish on social media. For example we have some real tools of fans. One bloke remonstrating with him this week about the club running out of R's for replica shirts and saying Lerner wouldn't have let it happen. He answered politely.
I don't know whether the guy was taking the piss but even so we just look like fools posting this sort of crap on his feed.
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Does anyone else really, truly care?
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🕹🔜📢🕛.#UTV
What could this mean? Summat's up.
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Playing soon, make some noise at kick off. Up the Villa.
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Playing soon, make some noise at kick off. Up the Villa.
You must be brilliant at cryptic crosswords
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🕹🔜📢🕛.#UTV
What could this mean? Summat's up.
Expect an announcement soon 12 o'clock about his knob.
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I like the Doctor. But I wish he would finish on social media. For example we have some real tools of fans. One bloke remonstrating with him this week about the club running out of R's for replica shirts and saying Lerner wouldn't have let it happen. He answered politely.
I don't know whether the guy was taking the piss but even so we just look like fools posting this sort of crap on his feed.
To be fair there is no excuse for running out of R's. It isn't as if there has been a pre season retro rush on people wanting the back of their shirts with 'Lerner' on.
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I like it. Modern and direct.
Quashed all those clickbaits about Hernandez in one tweet.
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Tony and The Donald, way ahead of the curve.
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I like the Doctor. But I wish he would finish on social media. For example we have some real tools of fans. One bloke remonstrating with him this week about the club running out of R's for replica shirts and saying Lerner wouldn't have let it happen. He answered politely
I bet they over-ordered on L's.
I'm not racist, that's not racist, but it it's a bit of a shit 1970s pub comedian joke.
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Just driven by Villa Park, and I do like the new signage that has been put up around the roads and outside the train station - lets hope for a good season - UP THE VILLA!!!!
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All we need now are the roads to get to the ground so that we can appreciate the new signage.
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All we need now are the roads to get to the ground so that we can appreciate the new signage.
#xiaout
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Still bothered about the game,not just result but some issues thought we'd solve though still positive&confident we can make the season.#UTV
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Not happy is he, good
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Good, still seeing the same shit is not acceptable.
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Yesterday tactically we didn't sit back, asked for all players meeting together to discuss on Monday about everyone's thoughts though
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Saw him tweet that he is setting up Villa training camps in Indonesia now. That and the similar set ups in China and India are the sort of long term projects that will hopefully get our revenue up. He is clearly working in the background hard to build up Villa as a business off the pitch.
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Four clubs in for Amavi he says. Down to who bids most.
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Still bothered about the game,not just result but some issues thought we'd solve though still positive&confident we can make the season.#UTV
Is he talking about the booing of players as the solved issue? I do not condone booing any Villa players but surely even Xia can see that Bacuna is not worth a place in the team? Perhaps he should take this up with the man who continues to select him rather than tweet stuff.
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At a guess I'd say he's talking about the players mentality to dig in and win.
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And to finish chances created! Well on top first half . I am frustrated also that only one half of footballer there than 90 mins was decent .
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can you rewrite that one skilz?
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can you rewrite that one skilz?
Wibble.
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Sack Bruce or sell up.
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To be honest based on his two managerial appointments and the season ticket farce he and wyness are as clueless as bruce
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Has Dr Tony tweeted after yesterdays debacle? He normally does.
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Has Dr Tony tweeted after yesterdays debacle? He normally does.
I looked earlier and he hasn't tweeted since the day after the Colchester match.
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Has Dr Tony tweeted after yesterdays debacle? He normally does.
I looked earlier and he hasn't tweeted since the day after the Colchester match.
He's probably to pissed off to say anything after yesterday.
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😰🤡😰😱🤐👎💄🐷🍄🍡
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That bloke Hon not sure of his name, a director, tweeted a picture from the final whistle and ''unacceptable''
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I hope he has been bouncing off the walls with anger. Bruce, Wyness and Round have been so long in the game they must have hides like rhinos. I hope the owner makes them feel as ashamed as they should be.
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I'm afraid he is starting to fall into the same trap as Lerner in placing too much faith in people who seem to think they can run rings round him. The only difference being that Lerner didn't speak to us
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Dr Tony will be locked in his padded rumpus room, showered in his own blood, vomit and scat. His team have been drilled for a three-day cool-off, whereupon they will enter the chamber with hoses, disinfectant and a kind word. They will remove his crash helmet and ease him gently back into daylight. For half an hour. Then he'll go back in for the Reading game. In a straightjacket.
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Dr Tony will be locked in his padded rumpus room, showered in his own blood, vomit and scat. His team have been drilled for a three-day cool-off, whereupon they will enter the chamber with hoses, disinfectant and a kind word. They will remove his crash helmet and ease him gently back into daylight. For half an hour. Then he'll go back in for the Reading game. In a straightjacket.
I fucking love that guy, he really understands what it means to be a Villa fan.
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He'll be jetting into Brum to give the players and coaching staff a power point demonstration of how best to leverage their synergies.
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You forgot the Hannibal Lecter ice hockey goalkeeper mask Jimbo.
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Bruce should be more worried that Tone has gone quiet I think. If we lose to Reading and Norwich I honestly think he'll go.
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Bruce should be more worried that Tone has gone quiet I think. If we lose to Reading and Norwich I honestly think he'll go.
Our promotion chances could be gone at that point. I thought Bruce would be a solid appointment. Proven at this level and with the biggest budget by far in the division. But he has gone for the standard British manager shtick of trying to buy his way out of trouble on "characters" and those that put their boots on.
Unfortunately, Terry and Whelan's legs are gone and our overstacked right side is not improved one iota by his mate Elmo.
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He'll be jetting into Brum to give the players and coaching staff a power point demonstration of how best to leverage their synergies.
Today's presentation 'Maximamising your Opportunigoals"
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You forgot the Hannibal Lecter ice hockey goalkeeper mask Jimbo.
Absolutely, goes without saying.
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Bruce should be more worried that Tone has gone quiet I think. If we lose to Reading and Norwich I honestly think he'll go.
Im more worried about his next managerial appointment based on the complete and utter shitness of the first two and the millions spunked on dross
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Bruce should be more worried that Tone has gone quiet I think. If we lose to Reading and Norwich I honestly think he'll go.
Im more worried about his next managerial appointment based on the complete and utter shitness of the first two and the millions spunked on dross
In the spirit of debate (not having a pop at all) I actually have a pretty high degree of confidence Xia & Co will pick a decent manager. RDM & Bruce were also rather good on paper and if the rumours are true we were in for Wagner then I think they will do alright. Xia wants winners, Wyness wants experience. I think that can work out for us.
I just hope they narrow down the list to progressive technical managers this time. I think they can and will hire someone good.
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Ah, Mr Moyes, we've been expecting you.
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Ah, Mr Moyes, we've been expecting you.
And the nightmare continues.
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Ah, Mr Moyes, we've been expecting you.
That'll bring the crowds back
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Bruce should be more worried that Tone has gone quiet I think. If we lose to Reading and Norwich I honestly think he'll go.
If we lose Tuesday (which I am expecting) then the atmosphere Saturday will be knife edge stuff.
He's absolutely down for now, this won't be turned around. History of him shows us this. We have not had a single 90 minute performance from him to date in almost a full season! Anyone expecting that precident to change now is hoping on a whym. In his 10 months here we have had two periods of winless, horrendous form.
I wanted SB to achieve and be the man to take us up. Evidence clearly shows this will not happen. Results/performance are the polar opposites of what he says in press conference etc. The board and Bruce know we need to score 80 goals plus to have any chance of being in the correct positions. How many games under Bruce have we scored more than one goal? A handful at most?
Next, we have gone behind away from home 11 times in his reign and in all
11 we have not even levelled the scores at any point. This is pathetic. If I was the opposition I would make sure to start fast and get the first goal. No way back for us from that point on.
He is a dead man walking now. As rash as it may seem to others on the outside I would rather we sack him now. Get the new man in and at least give him the option of having a week or so of a transfer window.
Jokanovic is my ideal choice. He is frustrated at Fulham so easily gettable plus he has proven results to get us where we need to be. Alternatively dean smith would walk here if asked. Plays football the right way and wants his teams to be attack led. Apart from Fulham and Leeds, his side was the best we faced last season and they whipped us both times. He would understand what it means to manage us and wouldn't accept this type of shit. Also as mentioned I think by others, our fan base would be more forgiving and give time due to him being Villa.,
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He'll be jetting into Brum to give the players and coaching staff a power point demonstration of how best to leverage their synergies.
Today's presentation 'Maximamising your Opportunigoals"
I like Opportunigoals. It has legs.
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He's a dead man walking as it very much seems a case of when rather than if he's stacked. I'd love him to turn it round and makes a lot of us eat our words but I just can't see it.
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He's a dead man walking as it very much seems a case of when rather than if he's sacked. I'd love him to turn it round and makes a lot of us eat our words but I just can't see it.
Yup. He has shown zero evidence he is going to change. I think he will be given a few more games but whether we win or lose I am mentally looking forward to a new manager. I am weary of Bruce ball. It just depresses me seeing my club playing that kind of crap. I was willing to hold my nose to give the bloke a chance to change but he just isnt going to.
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Like the general, they all go quiet when the going gets tough.
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You could have seen maybe 2 or 3 games of football in your entire life and you'd question why professional footballers, or, why a football manager of such experience would allow lumping a ball up to a lone, short in stature forward. The Dr has seen more games than that so he must be think what the hell is going on?
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Still nothing, no tweets since 11th August, and he is usually quite "gobby".
An ominous sign for some?
One of the board, Rongtian He (known as Ho?) called Saturday's performance "unacceptable". Can't see him going on the record to say that without his master's approval.
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I imagine he lost his mind like all of us at the display. Probably had his Twitter taken off him for his own good. I can't see him putting up with this shit for much longer.
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In China crisis and opportunity is the same word!
Homer :"yes dear - criortunity"
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Hello, anybody there????
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Wake up Tone, more money down the pan.
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Wake up Tone, more money down the pan.
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Am awake. Where is Dr T???????
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He shouldn't be allowed Bruce to spend one more penny.
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The new entry on here is interesting - https://twitter.com/Dr_TonyXia/likes
In case it changes it's someone saying Bruce has been poor for 10 months and Xia has liked the comment. I think Bruce might have a meeting scheduled for the morning.
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Or he just clicked it by accident, which is pretty easy to do on Twitter.
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Or he just clicked it by accident, which is pretty easy to do on Twitter.
Indeed, but it's still going to be a very uncomfortable conversation when people notice.
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He has unliked it now I believe.
The man has to protect his purchase. He has to act tomorrow am.
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Or he just clicked it by accident, which is pretty easy to do on Twitter.
Who? Tony Adams?
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You've lost me, sorry.
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Me too, CD, who is Tony 'following'?
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He has unliked it now I believe.
The man has to protect his purchase. He has to act tomorrow am.
Nah, I reckon they'll give him until at least the Naawich game. If we had (rightfully) got tanked this evening, maybe.
In many respects it might be the worst thing to do, and will be a stay of execution as much as anything else. Even of we scrape a win against the Canaries, can anyone seriously see this side under this manager hit the type of form we'll need to be play off contenders? Nevermind embark on the sort of run that will transform us into a top 2 side.
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He has unliked it now I believe.
The man has to protect his purchase. He has to act tomorrow am.
Nah, I reckon they'll give him until at least the Naawich game. If we had (rightfully) got tanked this evening, maybe.
In many respects it might be the worst thing to do, and will be a stay of execution as much as anything else. Even of we scrape a win against the Canaries, can anyone seriously see this side under this manager hit the type of form we'll need to be play off contenders? Nevermind embark on the sort of run that will transform us into a top 2 side.
I would say we did. It was a real managers defeat as well. Tactically he got it totally wrong and couldn't change. Just because the scoreline is made a bit better due to some of our players talents I would argue it was even worse than Cardiff in terms of how lopsided the control of the game was.
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If he tolerates this kind of guff any longer I think we can safely say he's not the multi billionaire that he's making out.
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Is he getting attention on Twitter?
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The silence is deafening.
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He's not going to get sacked after three games and he's equally not going have it announced that its being done on Twitter.
There is a huge blood lust at the moment, but there's little need to stretch credulity.
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If he tolerates this kind of guff any longer I think we can safely say he's not the multi billionaire that he's making out.
sorted
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If he tolerates this kind of guff any longer I think we can safely say he's not the multi billionaire that he's making out.
For following FFP regulations?
sorted
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If he tolerates this kind of guff any longer I think we can safely say he's not the multi billionaire that he's making out.
For following FFP regulations?
sorted
Stop interrupting the pity party with your unnecessary objectivity.
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He's not going to get sacked after three games and he's equally not going have it announced that its being done on Twitter.
There is a huge blood lust at the moment, but there's little need to stretch credulity.
I do think he may be gone before Saturday's game, but it would be pretty disgusting if the Doctor announced it via Twitter, and I don't think he will.
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If he tolerates this kind of guff any longer I think we can safely say he's not the multi billionaire that he's making out.
For following FFP regulations?
sorted
what looks like an elephant, shits like an elephant .... etc
the accounts will no doubt do the talking.
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Silly talk.
He will get the Norwich game at least.
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I don't follow Twitter, but it looks as though Xia hasn't tweeted since the Colchester game so this silence is very much out of character especially with the Cardiff and Reading results. I doubt any breaking news would come via his Twitter but something must be happening behind the scenes at the club or with his other businesses for him to be so quiet.
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I don't follow Twitter, but it looks as though Xia hasn't tweeted since the Colchester game so this silence is very much out of character especially with the Cardiff and Reading results. I doubt any breaking news would come via his Twitter but something must be happening behind the scenes at the club or with his other businesses for him to be so quiet.
They are exactly my thoughts
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I reckon we will get an announcement around teatime, either today or tomorrow.
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I hope he's had Twitter taken off him.
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I reckon we will get an announcement around teatime, either today or tomorrow.
be great if they pinned the announcement to the Aston Villa gates like they do at Buckingham Palace for deaths, births and marriages
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I reckon we will get an announcement around teatime, either today or tomorrow.
be great if they pinned the announcement to the Aston Villa gates like they do at Buckingham Palace for deaths, births and marriages
I bet they won't ask McCormack to do it.
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I reckon we will get an announcement around teatime, either today or tomorrow.
You really think they'll bin him now or in the next couple of days?
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Yes.
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I do hope so.
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Based on Xia not being on twitter for a week and a hunch?
I'd need a bit more than that.
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None of us have much to go on, Bruce is only Xia's second manager. So it's largely guesswork.
My hunch is based on the fact that RDM was binned when he lost the fans, which has now, undoubtedly, happened with Bruce.
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I'd be surprised if talks aren't going on at the club about Bruce's future and the situation we're in. Bruce's last 9 league games are W1 D3 L5. RDM's last 9 was W0 D6 L3.
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And it's not really just 'three games'. It's a continuation of last season's rotten form.
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I hope you're right but I'd like to think that it was on his mind before the end of last season and he has someone suitable in mind to takeover immediately. I don't think that's the case though. So for me, sacking him now is unlikely as much as I'd like it to be the case unless of course he has been proactive.
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I'd be surprised if talks aren't going on at the club about Bruce's future and the situation we're in. Bruce's last 9 league games are W1 D3 L5. RDM's last 9 was W0 D6 L3.
The upcoming international break would be a logical point if it is going to be done. We have three games between now and then and failure to improve in those would surely see the curtain brought down on Bruce's time here. The fact that we have three games in a short space of time might just prolong his stay until then.
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I think that's a possibility. However, if we leave it until after the Bank Holiday weekend, we have a matter of days left before the transfer window slams shut ( (C) Jim White)
I'd rather get it done ASAP.
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If the club are thinking along the lines of "he has 3 games to turn this round" then he's already done as they've lost confidence in him.
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I think that's a possibility. However, if we leave it until after the Bank Holiday weekend, we have a matter of days left before the transfer window slams shut ( (C) Jim White)
I'd rather get it done ASAP.
Agree. If it is even being considered then it should be done in time to give the incoming manager some wriggle room in the transfer window. Although the international break would make sense in terms of timing, I'm not sure he will be able to survive a bad defeat at home to Norwich on Saturday.
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If there aren't any funds available, then the window is academic to the sacking or not of SB.
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Did the fans last night chant for him to be sacked/you don't know what yer' doing? They say sackability is measured by away fans reactions, once they turn en masse, you're toast.
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And it's not really just 'three games'. It's a continuation of last season's rotten form.
And a shocking pre season, I don't believe this '' just about fitness '' hype, especially as they don't look sharp. We struggled to create anything in our pre season games, no tactics too. I hope DR X takes this into account as well.
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I reckon we will get an announcement around teatime, either today or tomorrow.
You really think they'll bin him now or in the next couple of days?
Well the strikes over now, so perhaps they will be round to take him away as soon as they catch up with the backlog.
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Did the fans last night chant for him to be sacked/you don't know what yer' doing? They say sackability is measured by away fans reactions, once they turn en masse, you're toast.
I think when he swapped de Laet with Hutton I think there was "don't know what you're doing " because we were expecting a sub to try and change things. I left before the end though like quite a few others did.
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He will be gone if we lose on Saturday.
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So what's on page 103 Chapter 4 of Peter Drucker's book then?
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So what's on page 103 Chapter 4 of Peter Drucker's book then?
Reads like Bruce is safe as houses unfortunately 😔
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Peter Drucker..
Didn't he run an extremely sucessful chain of cake houses in the North Birmingham area?
Not sure I totally agree with the assessment that Bruce's on totally solid ground
"The effective executive knows it is more effective to raise the performance of one leader than it is to raise the performance of a whole mass"
That to me suggests the old adage it's easier(and cheaper)to get in a new manager than a new team
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There is still a Drucker's on Temple Row. Had a cup of tea in there last week, no Villa gossip however.
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Not sure how it reads that he is safe as houses. It says get the right man in for the job that can raise the collective performances, something Bruce clearly is not doing. I think it reads the other way more.
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Not sure how it reads that he is safe as houses. It says get the right man in for the job that can raise the collective performances, something Bruce clearly is not doing. I think it reads the other way more.
I like your angle better!
The parts for me that read he's safe is the whole it's not the executives job to change the man and also ignoring all weaknesses unless it totally undermines the collective
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I've found the page in question. Dunno how to add photos on here but you can find it by Googling "Peter Drucker Effective Executive PDF".
Unsurprisingly, it's all business speak drivel which provides no clues as to Steve Bruce's future job prospects. To my untrained eye, anyway.
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Did the fans last night chant for him to be sacked/you don't know what yer' doing? They say sackability is measured by away fans reactions, once they turn en masse, you're toast.
I think when he swapped de Laet with Hutton I think there was "don't know what you're doing " because we were expecting a sub to try and change things. I left before the end though like quite a few others did.
I stayed until the end (albeit in the Reading end but sat close to our away support) and there was nothing I could hear. I was a little surprised to be honest but I think the goal at the end took the edge off. Plus Reading didn't score more.
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➡️🚪
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I'm slightly favouring it as a pro-Brucie message. He believes Bruce with his previous promotion experience is the right man and if he improves so will the collective. I'm still really struggling to see how he turns it around though after that shower we witnessed last night.
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Two clueless owners on the bounce I fear.
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Both naive. Both very bady advised.
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Name a manager that has turned it around after such a bunch of poor performances.
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You can't but because hes a media favourite the overwhelming media shit storm is about how he has got 4 promotions. Solid choice don't keep changing managers villa fans fickle etc....if was remi he would have been crucified.
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You can't but because hes a media favourite the overwhelming media shit storm is about how he has got 4 promotions. Solid choice don't keep changing managers villa fans fickle etc....if was remi he would have been crucified.
We went through it before with Sherwood. Funny how we don't seem to be getting stick over it any more or Lambert or McLeish.
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Tony's tweet is the 21st century equivalent of the 'vote of confidence'.
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Yeah that reads as backing the manager to turn this around so unfortunately it looks as though we're stuck with Bruce for the foreseeable future. Using an ambiguous business quote to justify this decision isn't a great idea when there is so more tension with the fans and this lack of clarity doesn't really help matters. You could argue that he is being badly advised if Bruce stays in his position, however us fans clearly don't know what we're talking about so it comes as no surprise that the decision makers and sections of the media believe he should be given more time.
I have absolutely no confidence in Bruce at all...scraping a few wins here and there will keep him in his job but it won't get us promoted.
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Tweet what he likes we go a couple down to Norwich this weekend Bruce is cooked.
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Both naive. Both very bady advised.
This
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Tweet what he likes we go a couple down to Norwich this weekend Bruce is cooked.
The McLeish Bolton "moment" feels like it's coming. We should have the Villa version of the Doomsday clock. The McLeish clock. Two minutes to midnight......
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Tweet what he likes we go a couple down to Norwich this weekend Bruce is cooked.
The McLeish Bolton "moment" feels like it's coming. We should have the Villa version of the Doomsday clock. The McLeish clock. Two minutes to midnight......
2 Minutes to Midnight you say?
Suitably nihilistic for the current mood too.
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Seven Mins to Midnight, the Mighty Wah?
Xia needs to act now and not be worrying himself about HBO being hacked.
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Sorry but it's already 10 past for Bruce. And Dr T you need to sack him today.
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I see it as him just clarifying the fact that we are shit because the person in charge (Bruce) of the collective (the squad) is shit so therefore they are shit. I think he's basically telling him to step up his game and so will the players, concentrate on your strengths and all that type of thing. I don't think it indicates either way other than him saying 'I've noticed we're shit' which is a start in the making a change process. If we continue to be this shit for the next 3 games he'll be gone, I'm sure of it.
Edit: Mind you, it could also be referring to the experienced players as the leaders and Bruce as the executive, get your leaders to lead and raise their game and the whole team will improve, build your team and tactics around the leaders strength, don't keep changing the team etc..
Or maybe not, fuck knows really..
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I see it as him just clarifying the fact that we are shit because the person in charge (Bruce) of the collective (the squad) is shit so therefore they are shit. I think he's basically telling him to step up his game and so will the players, concentrate on your strengths and all that type of thing. I don't think it indicates either way other than him saying 'I've noticed we're shit' which is a start in the making a change process. If we continue to be this shit for the next 3 games he'll be gone, I'm sure of it.
Edit: Mind you, it could also be referring to the experienced players as the leaders and Bruce as the executive, get your leaders to lead and raise their game and the whole team will improve, build your team and tactics around the leaders strength, don't keep changing the team etc..
Or maybe not, fuck knows really..
I think you are right with the first paragraph!!
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This whole book reference thing from Xia is more than a bit farcical to be honest, however I'm presuming the paragraph he is referring to is this:
"In human affairs, the distance between the leaders and the average is constant. If leadership is high, the average will go up. The effective executive knows that it is easier to raise the performance of one leader than it is to raise the performance of a whole mass. He therefore makes sure that he puts into the leadership position, into the standard-setting, the performance-making position, the man who has the strength to do the outstanding, the pace-setting job. This always requires focus on the one strength of a man and dismissal of weaknesses as irrelevant unless they hamper the full deployment of the available strength."
In this context, the effective executive must be Xia himself as he (or Wyness and Round) has appointed Bruce in the leadership position. If he is trying to use this to justify Bruce remains in his job, then the last sentence surely contradicts that as any weaknesses that he has dismissed is clearly hampering the full deployment of the available strength of the average or whole mass (the team).
Like I said before, this ambiguous crap doesn't answer anything as it can be interpreted in many different ways and isn't relevant to a sports team.
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it can be interpreted in many different ways and isn't relevant to a sports team.
I hope he understands that.
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Nothing new or extraordinary about that Management philosophy.
Its always been about leadership, good leaders create good teams.
Bad leaders don't.
A fish rots from the head blah blah blah.
Surprised he is not quoting Sun Tzu.
"Victory usually goes to the army who has better trained officers and men"
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It's all very well posting his enigmatic nonsense when it's concerning transfer speculation, but this isn't the time and the place for it, really. A decent leader should know when to communicate properly.
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Agreed.
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It's all very well posting his enigmatic nonsense when it's concerning transfer speculation, but this isn't the time and the place for it, really. A decent leader should know when to communicate properly.
Absolutely, I am concerned one incompetent regime has been replaced by another.
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Fair point Risso. Its actually fun around transfers. This is just silly. Fire the bloke and fix the problem Tone. Dont piss about.
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Fair point Risso. Its actually fun around transfers. This is just silly. Fire the bloke and fix the problem Tone. Dont piss about.
Amen. Or, Dr Tony, keep kissing your money up the wall, lose the fans you've worked to regain and send us into long term mediocrity. Your choice. There is zero evidence that Bruce will turn this around.
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Fly Mato Jetway !
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It's all very well posting his enigmatic nonsense when it's concerning transfer speculation, but this isn't the time and the place for it, really. A decent leader should know when to communicate properly.
Absolutely, I am concerned one incompetent regime has been replaced by another.
This guy had amazing plans apparently. I've not seen anything to convince me there is a plan.
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It's all very well posting his enigmatic nonsense when it's concerning transfer speculation, but this isn't the time and the place for it, really. A decent leader should know when to communicate properly.
Absolutely, I am concerned one incompetent regime has been replaced by another.
This guy had amazing plans apparently. I've not seen anything to convince me there is a plan.
I reckon it is quite a cunning plan.
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The plan is something like 🙏🏼+🦄-🍍(🤹🏻♂️+🎸+🎢) - 👜+🕺=🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♀️😪
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It's all very well posting his enigmatic nonsense when it's concerning transfer speculation, but this isn't the time and the place for it, really. A decent leader should know when to communicate properly.
Spot on.
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I kind of miss Ellis these days.
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I kind of miss Ellis these days.
Halcyon days my friend...
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I kind of miss Ellis these days.
Twenty-four years I've been living next door to Ellis
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Ellis?
Who the fuck is Ellis?
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Ba dum tish.
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I wonder if Tony has read any Dilbert, or 'Idiot's Guide's literature.
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Or the name tag on your dog's collar.
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Latest tweet...
Improved but still much more details to be taken care of. God in the details! #UTV
Any idea what he's on about this time?
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Sloppy defending requires further details.
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Probably. He's not the only one concerned about the amount of goals we are conceding.
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So just a reference to McGrath and poor defending?
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Latest tweet...
Improved but still much more details to be taken care of. God in the details! #UTV
Any idea what he's on about this time?
I thought the devil was in the detail?
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Latest tweet...
Improved but still much more details to be taken care of. God in the details! #UTV
Any idea what he's on about this time?
I thought the devil was in the detail?
Actually 'god is in the details' is an older saying and they're 2 sides of the same coin.
God is in the details is basically saying if you pay attention to the small stuff then everything will be great.
Devil in the details is the flip of that which is that if you don't look at the small stuff there will be something in there which messes things up.
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The thing that disappoints me most why hasn't the almighty the invincible wiseman managed to get to grips with the Devil after all this time?🤔
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The thing that disappoints me most why hasn't the almighty the invincible wiseman managed to get to grips with the Devil after all this time?🤔
If he created everything it should be a doddle to uncreate it.
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Luckily, FFP should take care of any false prophets.
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We've been discussing with maybe the last in this window for one week. Hopefully it'll be right decision. 🔜📢#UTV
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Who's that mean Sam Allardyce?
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If we are only signing one more then I would be hoping for a striker rather than Snodgrass. And left back/left wing cover is needed as well.
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Another CB is looking pretty urgent to me given that Terry looks off pace and we're just an injury away from a defensive clusterfuck. I was ok with it at the time but selling Baker seems to have been a bad judgement call.
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Terry's completely fucked up Chester. They do not look like a cohesive pairing.
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We've been discussing with maybe the last in this window for one week. Hopefully it'll be right decision. 🔜📢#UTV
Looks like a new sound system.... I fucking wish
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A few of us were talking about the Chester/Terry partnership and someone suggested that last season Chester left Baker to attack the ball and this year Terry expects Chester to do it.
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Charlie and Beckenbaker complemented each other well. C-L-L is too similar a player to Chester. Even before taking history/personality into account, I'd prefer Baker to Terry
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I'd prefer Bramble to Terry.
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A few of us were talking about the Chester/Terry partnership and someone suggested that last season Chester left Baker to attack the ball and this year Terry expects Chester to do it.
Yes, noticed that as well.
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I'd prefer Bramble to Terry.
Steady on Chris! 😂
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It's predictive spelling. I think he means Brambell, Wilfred.
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I'd also prefer Hilda Baker to Terry. One for the young 'uns there.
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Be soon John Terry I said be soon.
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On Saturday Terry was excellent. He very rarely clears the ball, He passes it into midfield. I was a big supporter of Nathan Baker and wouldn't have wanted him sold, unless the price was right of course. But in his place we have the best English defender of the last twenty years.
Chester and Terry are two terrific defenders and also two terrific Footballers.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion but I find it difficult to see how anyone can question John Terry as a footballer.
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I think we can question him as a footballer for Aston Villa.
So far, I'm less than impressed. We're leaking goals like a sieve leaks water.
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I think people are questioning his ability to form a partnership with Chester rather than his ability as a footballer. The problem is that both of them want to play as the cover defender alongside a more aggressive ball winner. It's the same reason why Elphick and Chester didn't work. The only aggressive defender we have is Samba.
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De Laet was pretty aggressive when he played centrally against Wigan. Not that it means that much as Wigan were very poor but still, he is at least capable of playing there.
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Without wishing to let the tinfoil fedora linger too long on the nut, I get the sense from Dr. X's recent tweets that he's had to be persuaded to consent to the recent goings on at VP. "Hopefully it'll be the right decision" is a fair bit more equivocal than his earlier excitable equations.
The one that followed that is quoting Pep in his Barca days saying how uncouth it is to buy, rather than nurture success. He seems disappointed that Pep changed his mind.
#SadnessInHisEyes
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Is Pep saying that were it not for himself and his scouting abilities, Messi'd be turning out in the BA equivalent of the Jubilee Premier?
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Is Pep saying that were it not for himself and his scouting abilities, Messi'd be turning out in the BA equivalent of the Jubilee Premier?
Not quite. See for yourself https://twitter.com/Dr_TonyXia/status/900354243751694341
Big Tone seems a little disenchanted.
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Just wait until he learns how many people bothered staying up for the draw for the whatever the hell its called cup.
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It does seem a bit like airing dirty laundry in public and I'd rather he stopped it.
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It does seem a bit like airing dirty laundry in public and I'd rather he stopped it.
Or at least stuck to his guns and told his henchmen to do what was required and have Bruce putting off the fishes from reproducing.
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I think people are questioning his ability to form a partnership with Chester rather than his ability as a footballer. The problem is that both of them want to play as the cover defender alongside a more aggressive ball winner. It's the same reason why Elphick and Chester didn't work. The only aggressive defender we have is Samba.
I agree with that, but I would add that Chester seems to be more comfortable on the right side of the central defence despite being left footed.
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Is Chester left footed?
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if i had pumped in the multi millions that the Dr has, to keep us going, then he has every right in my opinion to air his views!
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personally i'm amazed they haven't been more forthright. Let's see what tonight brings.
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Is Chester left footed?
No, right footed according to Transfermarkt (https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/james-chester/profil/spieler/73482)
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Felt soured last season Bristol away game. Much better today though we'd even betterer. Sept. Will be crucial for us. #UTV
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Given the Sky payments from the relegation session , last season and what we have just received, had he really pumped millions in or just spent what came in?
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Plenty of sides don't spend when they come down, Hull and Sunderland two examples.
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Parachute payments are supposed to cover the shortfall on wages that reduced income does not cover. It is not supposed to enable teams to have an advantage in being able to buy players.
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Yes but has he spent millions of his own money like RL did , or just spent what the club had coming?
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How many other clubs spend 50m + when they get relegated?
Newcastle did aswell but they made about 60m from selling Sissoko and Wjinadulm. We didn't recoup that much as our squad coming down was shocking.
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Last night, in his interview, Bruce said "players had their wages cut by 50%" when we were relegated. Surely that would have made a big difference to money available?
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I wonder if Bruce had his wages cut by 50% for failing to get us the promotion he was billed to be the master of. Doubt it.
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Brian, we all know where this is going to end - the only thing that can prevent it is seven or eight straight wins and that isn't going to happen. didn't Harold Wilson say all political careers end in failure? Well so do those of football managers, unless you are SAF or AW.
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Take a moment to think about what's being asked. The parachute payments are income and we can therefore spend that however we like without any risk of FFP sanctions. Given the club line this summer has been that we're worried about FFP we MUST have spent money that isn't included as income (i.e. money given by Xia). Probably not enough to cover the entire allowable amount but because we posted big losses in the relegation season the 2 added together put us in a difficult spot.
So simple answer, yes he has put millions in.
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Have we had the accounts for the relegation season?
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Have we had the accounts for the relegation season?
Yes, the last two years accounts have been a disaster as per usual.
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The simple answer is last summer he spent money on RDMs signings and then at Christmas spent a large chunk of this summers budget on the players Bruce wanted.
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Mr U, Harold did say words to that effect. Just as his arch rival Denis Healey said the ultimate stability is the stability of the graveyard. The message from both aphorisms is progress or die.
A propos of fuck all, Harold is a very happy ghost. He was a dyed in the wool of Yorkshire Huddersfield Town fan.
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Have we had the accounts for the relegation season?
Yes, the last two years accounts have been a disaster as per usual.
From memory, did anyone notice if the wages reduced significantly after relegation? Or is Bruce talking nonsense about the "50% reduction"?
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Have we had the accounts for the relegation season?
Yes, the last two years accounts have been a disaster as per usual.
From memory, did anyone notice if the wages reduced significantly after relegation? Or is Bruce talking nonsense about the "50% reduction"?
We won't see that until next year.
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Take a moment to think about what's being asked. The parachute payments are income and we can therefore spend that however we like without any risk of FFP sanctions. Given the club line this summer has been that we're worried about FFP we MUST have spent money that isn't included as income (i.e. money given by Xia). Probably not enough to cover the entire allowable amount but because we posted big losses in the relegation season the 2 added together put us in a difficult spot.
So simple answer, yes he has put millions in.
According to Companies House, there's an outstanding charge against Recon due to HSBC. How much it is isn't stated, but we may find the Doctor hasn't put all of the money in from his own pocket. The next accounts are due to be filed by Feb 2018, so we have a while to wait before we find out the true state of the finances, and who's done what.
Link (https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/10176070/charges)
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Have we had the accounts for the relegation season?
Yes, the last two years accounts have been a disaster as per usual.
From memory, did anyone notice if the wages reduced significantly after relegation? Or is Bruce talking nonsense about the "50% reduction"?
I was told that one of our players went from £28k/week to £23k/week which would make it around 20%. He was not a player brought in just before relegation who may have had different conditions.
I think Bruce's comment was probably a 'Diane Abbott' moment. I could not imagine the likes of Ayew signing on with a 50% reduction clause and then actually staying on.
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Like having been at the club less than six months.
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thank fuck the porn lords are forking out 30% of Snoddy's wedge.
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Probably in dud £1 coins.
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Personally i think the 50% is bollocks
gabby goes from 60k a week to 30k
Then we sign jedinak on 50, lansbury and snodgrass on 40 and terry on god knows how much.
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Anyone decipher this one?
🔒🈵.🚶🏻🔜 #UTV
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If we get locked
in this fucking division (that's in Chinese)
Bruce will be walking
soon.
#utv
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Anyone decipher this one?
🔒🈵.🚶🏻🔜 #UTV
Colonel Mustard in the Library with the candlestick.
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Anyone decipher this one?
🔒🈵.🚶🏻🔜 #UTV
Can't do the Chineses bit, but hopefully the second bit is two out soon, just sign the on the dotted fkn line.
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He says Bruce will be walking soon if no points collected😟
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The second emoji is Full / No vacancy. So no more incoming, I guess...
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No more incoming until some leave.
Or no more incoming and some are leaving.
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He did say Snodders would possibly be the last one.
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Anyone decipher this one?
🔒🈵.🚶🏻🔜 #UTV
Lock the gates. McCormack is leaving in this window - soon
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Lock icon + Full/no vacancy emoji would suggest no more incoming, IMO. But whoever's leaving is obviously heading the wrong way and ignoring the instructions. Your guess is as good as mine...
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Anyone decipher this one?
🔒🈵.🚶🏻🔜 #UTV
Why didn't Barry take the penalty?
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Anyone decipher this one?
🔒🈵.🚶🏻🔜 #UTV
Lock the gates. McCormack is leaving in this window - soon
Or it means he tried to get rid of McCormack but McCormacks gate was locked and he couldn't get out to sign for anyone.
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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-08-31/chinese-aston-villa-owner-drops-purchase-of-hollywood-studio
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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-08-31/chinese-aston-villa-owner-drops-purchase-of-hollywood-studio
4 hours ago he tweeted that story is not accurate. He adds he used another company not public listed.
Moving on. 1 hour ago tweeted " 2 or 3 things will happen today .... May be 4 or 5...... Who knows"
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Ppl said us using FFP as excuses, b***t!Even we did well2balance,still not far from the red line.Though we did well this window.#UTV
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Now, now, swearing is unbecoming, Doc. Though his coinage of ''jerkalist'' was the best neologism since then-H&Ver Suranyu spoke of ''funeraling'' the Barcodes back in the day.
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A point of Information - again unfortunately.
The first season after relegation, when Xia bought us -
both Parachute Payments went to Lerner. They were 'Ring-Fenced' as part of Recon/Xia's purchase.
Xia boasted at one time that not a penny of the Parachute Payments went on transfers.
TRUE ;D
They went to Lerner.
I'm not sure, and I can't find, if the second season after Relegation has similar riders.
Personally I'd doubt it, as Xia probably assumed that the huge player investment guaranteed promotion, and I doubt that Lerner's advisors would have saught such a nebulous payment.
I'd think, that this season we have the Parachute Payments for ourselves, and that they are probably to help support the WAGE Bill in the main.
Cross-threading a moment ;D
When Bruce relegated Birmingham, he made the SAME claim as he has now.
That players (inferring ALL of them) had a 50% wage cut on relegation.
Was utter nonsense, and Brady herself refused to confirm or deny it, at the time, but the later records, long after Bruce ran to Wigan, proved his claim was a falsification.
Their owners kept silent because it reflected on them as being astute - imo
Likewise Xia /Wyness will be silent on this Bruce fantasy repeat - again imo
Since all finances/contracts etc were under Brady's personal control, I don't think he would be privvy to them. It might be different here. He might know every buggars contract details
- but again, I'd doubt it.
SAF was probably the last Manager to have such insight or power amongst us bigger clubs.
Can you imagine RDM knowing, or being bothered about player's private contracts? Or even Sherwood under Lerner?
Yet Bruce knows these details ??? :D
But, there it is. Last season it was Xia / Recon investment, the Parachute Payments were beyond reach.
This year, because his gamble failed, we are very close to the edge of FPP so no insane purchases, just sensible husbandry of financial resources.
Parachute Payments would be a prop to support WAGES - imo.
Promotion will come through astute team management and JT's influence 'off-the-pitch'
- obviously :(
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A point of Information - again unfortunately.
The first season after relegation, when Xia bought us -
both Parachute Payments went to Lerner. They were 'Ring-Fenced' as part of Recon/Xia's purchase.
Xia boasted at one time that not a penny of the Parachute Payments went on transfers.
TRUE ;D
They went to Lerner.
I'm not sure, and I can't find, if the second season after Relegation has similar riders.
Personally I'd doubt it, as Xia probably assumed that the huge player investment guaranteed promotion, and I doubt that Lerner's advisors would have saught such a nebulous payment.
I'd think, that this season we have the Parachute Payments for ourselves, and that they are probably to help support the WAGE Bill in the main.
Cross-threading a moment ;D
When Bruce relegated Birmingham, he made the SAME claim as he has now.
That players (inferring ALL of them) had a 50% wage cut on relegation.
Was utter nonsense, and Brady herself refused to confirm or deny it, at the time, but the later records, long after Bruce ran to Wigan, proved his claim was a falsification.
Their owners kept silent because it reflected on them as being astute - imo
Likewise Xia /Wyness will be silent on this Bruce fantasy repeat - again imo
Since all finances/contracts etc were under Brady's personal control, I don't think he would be privvy to them. It might be different here. He might know every buggars contract details
- but again, I'd doubt it.
SAF was probably the last Manager to have such insight or power amongst us bigger clubs.
Can you imagine RDM knowing, or being bothered about player's private contracts? Or even Sherwood under Lerner?
Yet Bruce knows these details ??? :D
But, there it is. Last season it was Xia / Recon investment, the Parachute Payments were beyond reach.
This year, because his gamble failed, we are very close to the edge of FPP so no insane purchases, just sensible husbandry of financial resources.
Parachute Payments would be a prop to support WAGES - imo.
Promotion will come through astute team management and JT's influence 'off-the-pitch'
- obviously :(
What about Diana?
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The 1st parachute payment would have needed to have been held on trust for Lerner. What evidence is there of this?
Why would contracts agreed by Fox and those that went before reflect well on Wyness?
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Money can not just be shifted because it is 'ring fenced' to Lerner without it appearing in the accounts.
Similarly any money invested by Xia personally, or any loans to the club, will also be documented.
I trust Xia about as far as I can throw him (as I do anyone involved in football until they do something that makes me think otherwise) but the utter guesswork going on about money is just that - guesswork - until we see it in the accounts.
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There's not been anything in the history of H&V that has been repeated so often, with no evidence whatsoever, and rebutted so often, with plenty of evidence, as the idea that Randy Lerner was somehow at it with the club's money.
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so he was at it then, in a sense, as he was the club's only shareholder?
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so he was at it then, in a sense, as he was the club's only shareholder?
He didn't take any of it out, if that's what you mean.
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so he was at it then, in a sense, as he was the club's only shareholder?
He didn't take any of it out, if that's what you mean.
I sense we're on the slow boat to another Herbert discussion.
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so he was at it then, in a sense, as he was the club's only shareholder?
He didn't take any of it out, if that's what you mean.
I will criticise Lerner for many, many things, and we will probably regret his ownership of the club for years to come, but one thing that you absolutely cannot accuse him of is using the club for personal enrichment. Rarely has one man spent so much money, so very badly. From memory, he took £7m out in the first year, but that came back in about 30 times over. It's is fair to say that the Lerner family trust took one hell of a battering from Randy's time with us, as did the club of course. A spectacular disaster all round.
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so he was at it then, in a sense, as he was the club's only shareholder?
He didn't take any of it out, if that's what you mean.
I will criticise Lerner for many, many things, and we will probably regret his ownership of the club for years to come, but one thing that you absolutely cannot accuse him of is using the club for personal enrichment. Rarely has one man spent so much money, so very badly. From memory, he took £7m out in the first year, but that came back in about 30 times over. It's is fair to say that the Lerner family trust took one hell of a battering from Randy's time with us, as did the club of course. A spectacular disaster all round.
Indeed. My favourite quote is that it would have been cheaper for him to hand over a £20 note to everyone who came through the turnstiles at every game played at Villa Park during his ownership.
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He even lost out with us not being promoted last season.
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Yep. Randy couldn't be accused of taking huge amounts of money during his time with us. He was way too stupid, at running a football club, to have any chance of doing that.
His incompetence put us where we were today. That's enough to blame him for.
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Tom Peter's is writing a new management guide based on Randy's stewardship of Villa - it's called 'In Search of Shiteness'.
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Probably wishful thinking on my part but Tony's latest tweet looks to me like a warning to Bruce.
Shape up or............?
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Not sure if this article has been referenced before. I've just seen it and frankly the parallels with what he got up to at Villa are uncanny. Let's just say Randy had form.
https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2017/3/19/14977028/butch-davis-goes-after-randy-lerner-in-article
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Probably wishful thinking on my part but Tony's latest tweet looks to me like a warning to Bruce.
Shape up or............?
"A crucial month. Time to build real confidence and 'only results matter' culture at Villa as RECON always did as firm culture.#Septemberwish"
Well I don't think you are so far off. I think being transparent about that way of thinking is akin to: now no excuses. I seem to remember plenty of 'this is the most important period in our club's history' but crikey, with one year signinings aplenty, Bruce simply has to make it work. I really hope he does, and proves the increasing parts of us that doubt he can, wrong.
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I reckon if we aren't top 6 by end Oct- he'll be gone.
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sooner imo
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Me too. End of September.
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Dr Tone is right. Results matter at the moment and playing well will come with confidence if we go on a good run. As long as we're not totally off the pace, I think he'll get the season.
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There are two very big it's there Clampy. If we start playing well. If we go on a winning run. All of the available evidence from the forty games Bruce has been in charge suggest that is what is likely to happen. IF we go on a winning run he can stay for life as far as I am concerned.
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There are two very big it's there Clampy. If we start playing well. If we go on a winning run. All of the available evidence from the forty games Bruce has been in charge suggest that is what is likely to happen. IF we go on a winning run he can stay for life as far as I am concerned.
It's also a big 'if' saying 'if we're not top 6' or 'if we're off the pace' etc though isn't it?
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Yes it is, I agree, but the only way you can logically forecast what is going to happen in future is to examine what has happened in the past. I respectfully put forward the view that we have to improve substantially before the manager can regard his position as secure.
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There are two very big it's there Clampy. If we start playing well. If we go on a winning run. All of the available evidence from the forty games Bruce has been in charge suggest that is what is likely to happen. IF we go on a winning run he can stay for life as far as I am concerned.
It's also a big 'if' saying 'if we're not top 6' or 'if we're off the pace' etc though isn't it?
On the available evidence, including the fact that we've got 5 points from 5 games, no, not really.
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That must apply to Fulham, Derby, Boro, Sheffield Wednesday then too.
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so he was at it then, in a sense, as he was the club's only shareholder?
He didn't take any of it out, if that's what you mean.
I will criticise Lerner for many, many things, and we will probably regret his ownership of the club for years to come, but one thing that you absolutely cannot accuse him of is using the club for personal enrichment. Rarely has one man spent so much money, so very badly. From memory, he took £7m out in the first year, but that came back in about 30 times over. It's is fair to say that the Lerner family trust took one hell of a battering from Randy's time with us, as did the club of course. A spectacular disaster all round.
Indeed. My favourite quote is that it would have been cheaper for him to hand over a £20 note to everyone who came through the turnstiles at every game played at Villa Park during his ownership.
Out of interest, how much did Randy's ownership cost him?
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so he was at it then, in a sense, as he was the club's only shareholder?
He didn't take any of it out, if that's what you mean.
I will criticise Lerner for many, many things, and we will probably regret his ownership of the club for years to come, but one thing that you absolutely cannot accuse him of is using the club for personal enrichment. Rarely has one man spent so much money, so very badly. From memory, he took £7m out in the first year, but that came back in about 30 times over. It's is fair to say that the Lerner family trust took one hell of a battering from Randy's time with us, as did the club of course. A spectacular disaster all round.
Indeed. My favourite quote is that it would have been cheaper for him to hand over a £20 note to everyone who came through the turnstiles at every game played at Villa Park during his ownership.
Out of interest, how much did Randy's ownership cost him?
The exact figure varies according to who you talk to, but something approaching £200 million is generally reckoned to be not far off.
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That must apply to Fulham, Derby, Boro, Sheffield Wednesday then too.
I'm not really arsed about them. They did at least all finish higher than us last season though, so have some reason for optimism.
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So there 5 games don't count but ours do?
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so he was at it then, in a sense, as he was the club's only shareholder?
He didn't take any of it out, if that's what you mean.
I will criticise Lerner for many, many things, and we will probably regret his ownership of the club for years to come, but one thing that you absolutely cannot accuse him of is using the club for personal enrichment. Rarely has one man spent so much money, so very badly. From memory, he took £7m out in the first year, but that came back in about 30 times over. It's is fair to say that the Lerner family trust took one hell of a battering from Randy's time with us, as did the club of course. A spectacular disaster all round.
Indeed. My favourite quote is that it would have been cheaper for him to hand over a £20 note to everyone who came through the turnstiles at every game played at Villa Park during his ownership.
Out of interest, how much did Randy's ownership cost him?
The exact figure varies according to who you talk to, but something approaching £200 million is generally reckoned to be not far off.
"A fool and his money......."
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So there 5 games don't count but ours do?
I've literally no idea what point you're trying to make. We've got 5 points from 5 games, which is utterly shit. Quite what the teams you mention have got to do with that, lord only knows. I want us to be in the top 2 come of the end of the season, a feat which I think is highly unlikely with Bruce as our manager. What Sheffield Wednesday have done so far, I really don't care about.
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so he was at it then, in a sense, as he was the club's only shareholder?
He didn't take any of it out, if that's what you mean.
I will criticise Lerner for many, many things, and we will probably regret his ownership of the club for years to come, but one thing that you absolutely cannot accuse him of is using the club for personal enrichment. Rarely has one man spent so much money, so very badly. From memory, he took £7m out in the first year, but that came back in about 30 times over. It's is fair to say that the Lerner family trust took one hell of a battering from Randy's time with us, as did the club of course. A spectacular disaster all round.
Indeed. My favourite quote is that it would have been cheaper for him to hand over a £20 note to everyone who came through the turnstiles at every game played at Villa Park during his ownership.
Out of interest, how much did Randy's ownership cost him?
The exact figure varies according to who you talk to, but something approaching £200 million is generally reckoned to be not far off.
"A fool and his money......."
At least he put it into our club, even if it didnt work out.
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Seeing as we don't play in a vacuum the results of our rivals for promotion are highly significant.
The first three games weren't good enough, the last two were exactly what is required.
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Seeing as we don't play in a vacuum the results of our rivals for promotion are highly significant.
The first three games weren't good enough, the last two were exactly what is required.
Given their records so far they won't be anyone's rivals for promotion, unless they radically improve, and neither will we. It's the ones who have points on the board like Cardiff and Wolves that we have to concern ourselves with, if anyone, if we are aiming for top 2 or top 6.
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It's just ticked into September. We're writing off a lot of sides aren't we, including us it seems.
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It's just ticked into September. We're writing off a lot of sides aren't we, including us it seems.
And on another thread, Glen Whelan. The lack of patience is staggering.
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I'd be shocked if the four sides I mentioned, along with us and Wolves don't occupy the top six or seven come May.
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so he was at it then, in a sense, as he was the club's only shareholder?
He didn't take any of it out, if that's what you mean.
I will criticise Lerner for many, many things, and we will probably regret his ownership of the club for years to come, but one thing that you absolutely cannot accuse him of is using the club for personal enrichment. Rarely has one man spent so much money, so very badly. From memory, he took £7m out in the first year, but that came back in about 30 times over. It's is fair to say that the Lerner family trust took one hell of a battering from Randy's time with us, as did the club of course. A spectacular disaster all round.
Indeed. My favourite quote is that it would have been cheaper for him to hand over a £20 note to everyone who came through the turnstiles at every game played at Villa Park during his ownership.
Out of interest, how much did Randy's ownership cost him?
The exact figure varies according to who you talk to, but something approaching £200 million is generally reckoned to be not far off.
"A fool and his money......."
At least he put it into our club, even if it didnt work out.
"Didn't work out"!?
He took us out of The PL, after breaking nearly every unwanted record in Villa's near 150 year history!
I know he's not Doug Ellis, but do me a favour.
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so he was at it then, in a sense, as he was the club's only shareholder?
He didn't take any of it out, if that's what you mean.
I will criticise Lerner for many, many things, and we will probably regret his ownership of the club for years to come, but one thing that you absolutely cannot accuse him of is using the club for personal enrichment. Rarely has one man spent so much money, so very badly. From memory, he took £7m out in the first year, but that came back in about 30 times over. It's is fair to say that the Lerner family trust took one hell of a battering from Randy's time with us, as did the club of course. A spectacular disaster all round.
Indeed. My favourite quote is that it would have been cheaper for him to hand over a £20 note to everyone who came through the turnstiles at every game played at Villa Park during his ownership.
Out of interest, how much did Randy's ownership cost him?
The exact figure varies according to who you talk to, but something approaching £200 million is generally reckoned to be not far off.
"A fool and his money......."
At least he put it into our club, even if it didnt work out.
"Didn't work out"!?
He took us out of The PL, after breaking nearly every unwanted record in Villa's near 150 year history!
I know he's not Doug Ellis, but do me a favour.
Of course it wasn't great but it' s done. He was very naive in running a football club. I don't hold a grudge though, it's happened..
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It's just ticked into September. We're writing off a lot of sides aren't we, including us it seems.
And on another thread, Glen Whelan. The lack of patience is staggering.
Yes, I think Whelan has generally done OK so far. I'm not sure what people were expecting, he was never going to be Iniesta.
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It's just ticked into September. We're writing off a lot of sides aren't we, including us it seems.
And on another thread, Glen Whelan. The lack of patience is staggering.
Years of relegation struggles, relegation, failure to bounce straight back up, poor managerial appointments, poor signings, best players leaving, poor attitude and discipline, musical chairs at senior employee level and an up an down start to this season unfortunately mean that patience is in very short supply.
Yes, I think Whelan has generally done OK so far. I'm not sure what people were expecting, he was never going to be Iniesta.
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and yet again it's not about being impatient, how patient should we be with a 33 year old who we got in purely to get us promotion this season? If he was 21-22 and was here with half an eye on building a squad for the premier league then it would be different but what is the point of gonig for experienced players if wehave to wait months for that experience to show, and by that time we're out of the running for the automatic spots.
If you want patience then you build something, if you make short-term signings, with a short-term manager and a short-term playing style then people have every right to be annoyed if it's not working.
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Iniestas legs have got a little slower probably last season at Barca. I bet if we signed him we'd moan.
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and yet again it's not about being impatient, how patient should we be with a 33 year old who we got in purely to get us promotion this season?
More patient than 5 games is my answer.
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Sir Graham brought in the likes of Steve Sims and Mark Lillis to help us get back up. They came in to do a job just like Bruce hopes Whelan will.
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Sir Graham got us up in the first season.
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It's just ticked into September. We're writing off a lot of sides aren't we, including us it seems.
And on another thread, Glen Whelan. The lack of patience is staggering.
Yes, I think Whelan has generally done OK so far. I'm not sure what people were expecting, he was never going to be Iniesta.
Whelan will be fine if used in the right role. Playing him in a midfield two and expecting him to cover a lot of the pitch is not the right role.
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Sir Graham got us up in the first season.
He had a full season. He didn't takeover a team in October with one win in it's first eleven.
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It's just ticked into September. We're writing off a lot of sides aren't we, including us it seems.
And on another thread, Glen Whelan. The lack of patience is staggering.
Yes, I think Whelan has generally done OK so far. I'm not sure what people were expecting, he was never going to be Iniesta.
Whelan will be fine if used in the right role. Playing him in a midfield two and expecting him to cover a lot of the pitch is not the right role.
He does generally play behind Hourihane and Onomah. I don't think he's ever played in a midfield two really.
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so he was at it then, in a sense, as he was the club's only shareholder?
He didn't take any of it out, if that's what you mean.
I will criticise Lerner for many, many things, and we will probably regret his ownership of the club for years to come, but one thing that you absolutely cannot accuse him of is using the club for personal enrichment. Rarely has one man spent so much money, so very badly. From memory, he took £7m out in the first year, but that came back in about 30 times over. It's is fair to say that the Lerner family trust took one hell of a battering from Randy's time with us, as did the club of course. A spectacular disaster all round.
Indeed. My favourite quote is that it would have been cheaper for him to hand over a £20 note to everyone who came through the turnstiles at every game played at Villa Park during his ownership.
Out of interest, how much did Randy's ownership cost him?
The exact figure varies according to who you talk to, but something approaching £200 million is generally reckoned to be not far off.
"A fool and his money......."
At least he put it into our club, even if it didnt work out.
"Didn't work out"!?
He took us out of The PL, after breaking nearly every unwanted record in Villa's near 150 year history!
I know he's not Doug Ellis, but do me a favour.
Of course it wasn't great but it' s done. He was very naive in running a football club. I don't hold a grudge though, it's happened..
Blimey, I'd love to know what would have to happen to our club for you to hold a grudge if what Lerner did to us didn't even register.
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Sir Graham got us up in the first season.
He had a full season. He didn't takeover a team in October with one win in it's first eleven.
That's true. Perhaps he'd only have got us into the top six in those circumstances. I doubt we'd have finished in the bottom half of division two.
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Sir Graham got us up in the first season.
He had a full season. He didn't takeover a team in October with one win in it's first eleven.
That's true. Perhaps he'd only have got us into the top six in those circumstances. I doubt we'd have finished in the bottom half of division two.
We'll never know we?
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Sir Graham got us up in the first season.
He had a full season. He didn't takeover a team in October with one win in it's first eleven.
That's true. Perhaps he'd only have got us into the top six in those circumstances. I doubt we'd have finished in the bottom half of division two.
Well first off I think Taylor was a far better manager than Bruce and secondly the club (in '87) wasn't in as big a mess as we were this time last year.
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so he was at it then, in a sense, as he was the club's only shareholder?
He didn't take any of it out, if that's what you mean.
I will criticise Lerner for many, many things, and we will probably regret his ownership of the club for years to come, but one thing that you absolutely cannot accuse him of is using the club for personal enrichment. Rarely has one man spent so much money, so very badly. From memory, he took £7m out in the first year, but that came back in about 30 times over. It's is fair to say that the Lerner family trust took one hell of a battering from Randy's time with us, as did the club of course. A spectacular disaster all round.
Indeed. My favourite quote is that it would have been cheaper for him to hand over a £20 note to everyone who came through the turnstiles at every game played at Villa Park during his ownership.
Out of interest, how much did Randy's ownership cost him?
The exact figure varies according to who you talk to, but something approaching £200 million is generally reckoned to be not far off.
"A fool and his money......."
At least he put it into our club, even if it didnt work out.
"Didn't work out"!?
He took us out of The PL, after breaking nearly every unwanted record in Villa's near 150 year history!
I know he's not Doug Ellis, but do me a favour.
Of course it wasn't great but it' s done. He was very naive in running a football club. I don't hold a grudge though, it's happened..
Blimey, I'd love to know what would have to happen to our club for you to hold a grudge if what Lerner did to us didn't even register.
I didn't say it didn't register, i said i don't hold a grudge.
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Sir Graham got us up in the first season.
He had a full season. He didn't takeover a team in October with one win in it's first eleven.
That's true. Perhaps he'd only have got us into the top six in those circumstances. I doubt we'd have finished in the bottom half of division two.
We'll never know we?
We'll have a pretty good guess.
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Yeah that as well.
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Sir Graham got us up in the first season.
He had a full season. He didn't takeover a team in October with one win in it's first eleven.
That's true. Perhaps he'd only have got us into the top six in those circumstances. I doubt we'd have finished in the bottom half of division two.
Well first off I think Taylor was a far better manager than Bruce and secondly the club (in '87) wasn't in as big a mess as we were this time last year.
We certainly weren't in a position to spend more money than any club had ever spent in the division in 87.
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Sir Graham got us up in the first season.
He had a full season. He didn't takeover a team in October with one win in it's first eleven.
That's true. Perhaps he'd only have got us into the top six in those circumstances. I doubt we'd have finished in the bottom half of division two.
Well first off I think Taylor was a far better manager than Bruce and secondly the club (in '87) wasn't in as big a mess as we were this time last year.
We certainly weren't in a position to spend more money than any club had ever spent in the division in 87.
We were the best team in europe 5 Season's earlier. That's how far we had fallen.
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Sir Graham got us up in the first season.
He had a full season. He didn't takeover a team in October with one win in it's first eleven.
That's true. Perhaps he'd only have got us into the top six in those circumstances. I doubt we'd have finished in the bottom half of division two.
Well first off I think Taylor was a far better manager than Bruce and secondly the club (in '87) wasn't in as big a mess as we were this time last year.
We certainly weren't in a position to spend more money than any club had ever spent in the division in 87.
But we didn't go into that season with our Division 1/PL infrastructure in complete tatters. In fact we had some really good players in '87. Far better than the lower league crap we packed our squad out with in '16.
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Sir Graham got us up in the first season.
He had a full season. He didn't takeover a team in October with one win in it's first eleven.
That's true. Perhaps he'd only have got us into the top six in those circumstances. I doubt we'd have finished in the bottom half of division two.
Well first off I think Taylor was a far better manager than Bruce and secondly the club (in '87) wasn't in as big a mess as we were this time last year.
We certainly weren't in a position to spend more money than any club had ever spent in the division in 87.
We were the best team in europe 5 Season's earlier. That's how far we had fallen.
I think we're agreeing with each other here.
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It's just ticked into September. We're writing off a lot of sides aren't we, including us it seems.
Not writing them off just pointing out that radical improvement is required soon from them and us if any of us are going to challenge for the top 6. Like Risso, I don't care if the others improve or not. Another similar 5 games you may well be too late to catch up. Last season is not necessarily an indicator of who will challenge. Didn't Huddersfield and Reading have poor seasons the year before last?
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Sir Graham got us up in the first season.
He had a full season. He didn't takeover a team in October with one win in it's first eleven.
That's true. Perhaps he'd only have got us into the top six in those circumstances. I doubt we'd have finished in the bottom half of division two.
Well first off I think Taylor was a far better manager than Bruce and secondly the club (in '87) wasn't in as big a mess as we were this time last year.
We certainly weren't in a position to spend more money than any club had ever spent in the division in 87.
But we didn't go into that season with our Division 1/PL infrastructure in complete tatters. In fact we had some really good players in '87. Far better than the lower league crap we packed our squad out with in '16.
I'm not sure any manager other than SGT could have got that squad promoted. Dorigo sold and replaced by Bernie Gallagher, Elliott sold and replaced by Steve Sims. Blair and Hunt finished by injury. Evans, Daley, Thompson and McInally all injured for the first half of the season. The Gray twins only arrived in Nov/Dec and Platt in Feb.
And as for our so called infrastructure didn't our new manager take all of five minutes to evaluate things and describe the whole place as a shambles?
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so he was at it then, in a sense, as he was the club's only shareholder?
He didn't take any of it out, if that's what you mean.
I sense we're on the slow boat to another Herbert discussion.
I fear you may be right.
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Sir Graham got us up in the first season.
He had a full season. He didn't takeover a team in October with one win in it's first eleven.
That's true. Perhaps he'd only have got us into the top six in those circumstances. I doubt we'd have finished in the bottom half of division two.
Well first off I think Taylor was a far better manager than Bruce and secondly the club (in '87) wasn't in as big a mess as we were this time last year.
We certainly weren't in a position to spend more money than any club had ever spent in the division in 87.
But we didn't go into that season with our Division 1/PL infrastructure in complete tatters. In fact we had some really good players in '87. Far better than the lower league crap we packed our squad out with in '16.
I'm not sure any manager other than SGT could have got that squad promoted. Dorigo sold and replaced by Bernie Gallagher, Elliott sold and replaced by Steve Sims. Blair and Hunt finished by injury. Evans, Daley, Thompson and McInally all injured for the first half of the season. The Gray twins only arrived in Nov/Dec and Platt in Feb.
And as for our so called infrastructure didn't our new manager take all of five minutes to evaluate things and describe the whole place as a shambles?
I'd still say we had better players in '87 than we did in '16 even with the examples you give. Like it or not this club was in a quite diabolical condition last year, arguably the worst It's ever been. Certainly the most humiliated anyway. The only thing I will say is that Bruce just isn't and never will be the class of manager Taylor was.
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so he was at it then, in a sense, as he was the club's only shareholder?
He didn't take any of it out, if that's what you mean.
I sense we're on the slow boat to another Herbert discussion.
I fear you may be right.
I don't know about that. But I'm sure that there's one or two on here that would "hold a grudge" if Ellis had broken all those unwanted records and taken us out of the PL.
Just because we lauded the arrival of Lerner as the coming of the Messiah and the death of the Antichrist, we don't have this pretend the reality was anything other that a complete disaster. Or do we?
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Personally, apart from a couple, I think the players we have now are better. However, the manager we had back then is way, way better.
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It's just ticked into September. We're writing off a lot of sides aren't we, including us it seems.
And on another thread, Glen Whelan. The lack of patience is staggering.
Yes, I think Whelan has generally done OK so far. I'm not sure what people were expecting, he was never going to be Iniesta.
Whelan will be fine if used in the right role. Playing him in a midfield two and expecting him to cover a lot of the pitch is not the right role.
He does generally play behind Hourihane and Onomah. I don't think he's ever played in a midfield two really.
He did when we played a 4-4-2 against Hull, Cardiff and Reading. He ran out of steam badly in those games and there were players just walking by him. He will be fine played in the holding role in the three man midfield you mention above.
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so he was at it then, in a sense, as he was the club's only shareholder?
He didn't take any of it out, if that's what you mean.
I will criticise Lerner for many, many things, and we will probably regret his ownership of the club for years to come, but one thing that you absolutely cannot accuse him of is using the club for personal enrichment. Rarely has one man spent so much money, so very badly. From memory, he took £7m out in the first year, but that came back in about 30 times over. It's is fair to say that the Lerner family trust took one hell of a battering from Randy's time with us, as did the club of course. A spectacular disaster all round.
Indeed. My favourite quote is that it would have been cheaper for him to hand over a £20 note to everyone who came through the turnstiles at every game played at Villa Park during his ownership.
Out of interest, how much did Randy's ownership cost him?
The exact figure varies according to who you talk to, but something approaching £200 million is generally reckoned to be not far off.
"A fool and his money......."
At least he put it into our club, even if it didnt work out.
"Didn't work out"!?
He took us out of The PL, after breaking nearly every unwanted record in Villa's near 150 year history!
I know he's not Doug Ellis, but do me a favour.
and he actually left us worse off than he found us, on and off the field.
So putting it into the club did us a lot of good.
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Incredible excuses being made for Bruce in this 87v16 debate.
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and yet again it's not about being impatient, how patient should we be with a 33 year old who we got in purely to get us promotion this season?
More patient than 5 games is my answer.
Why is it that other teams can sign players and have an immediate impact but when we sign players who should provide it we have to put up with them being shit for a few months whilst they 'settle' or 'gel'.
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and yet again it's not about being impatient, how patient should we be with a 33 year old who we got in purely to get us promotion this season?
More patient than 5 games is my answer.
Why is it that other teams can sign players and have an immediate impact but when we sign players who should provide it we have to put up with them being shit for a few months whilst they 'settle' or 'gel'.
How do you know all other team's players make an immediate impact? I'd be very surprised if every player every other club signs hits the ground running.
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and yet again it's not about being impatient, how patient should we be with a 33 year old who we got in purely to get us promotion this season?
More patient than 5 games is my answer.
Why is it that other teams can sign players and have an immediate impact but when we sign players who should provide it we have to put up with them being shit for a few months whilst they 'settle' or 'gel'.
How do you know all other team's players make an immediate impact? I'd be very surprised if every player every other club signs hits the ground running.
Who said anything about all of them? I just want at least 1 and I want it to be one of the 'experienced' players that we've thrown a retirement package at. We've sign 4 experienced players who've had a chance to play, Terry has weakened our defence, Samba looks as slow on the turn as we expected, Whelan has been anonymous and Elmo looks one paced and average, none out of 4 in the first month when we needed a good start isn't great. Hourihane (who wasn't Bruce's first choice in that role) and a few kids are the only players who can be happy with their start to the season. We keep signing leaders but if those players don't perform better than what we had then we tread water.
I haven't written Whelan or Terry off and Samba is only a backup but it's undeniable that they've not given us the boost that we should've expected, that may change in a month or 2 but given some people are quick to tell that they'd given up on promotion after 11 games last season (so Bruce missing out wasn't a failure) that might be too late.
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The only thing I will say is that Bruce just isn't and never will be the class of manager Taylor was.
Very, very few were, are or will be.
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I think Terry has struggled the most without being totally awful. Whelan has been ok (I thought he had a good second half against Norwich), Samba's only played one half and Elmo like Whelan has been ok. I'm sure they'll all play their part as the season goes on.
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I think Terry has struggled the most without being totally awful. Whelan has been ok (I thought he had a good second half against Norwich), Samba's only played one half and Elmo like Whelan has been ok. I'm sure they'll all play their part as the season goes on.
Elmohamady was absolutely awful against Bristol.
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I think Terry has struggled the most without being totally awful. Whelan has been ok (I thought he had a good second half against Norwich), Samba's only played one half and Elmo like Whelan has been ok. I'm sure they'll all play their part as the season goes on.
Elmohamady was absolutely awful against Bristol.
Surely we're not judging players based on a game or two?
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According to the Telegraph Villa have escaped any punishment from the Football League regarding Financial Fair Play due to sales that raised £18m in the summer.
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John Percy writes:
Aston Villa are set to escape punishment from the Football League after raising £18million in player sales this summer.
Villa offloaded nine senior players in the transfer window, either permanently or on loan, in a bid to fall in line with Financial Fair Play regulations.
The Championship club were in danger of breaching League rules after incurring heavy losses in the past, but are now in a healthier financial state after their summer clear-out.
Stringent new rules dictate that clubs can lose up to £83million over the course of three seasons, and in February Villa revealed a deficit of £81.3million, leaving them dangerously close to sanctions.
Jordan Veretout, Carlos Sanchez, Nathan Baker and Leandro Bacuna have since left the club while Jordan Amavi’s loan move to Marseille is expected to be made permanent next year.
Villa did sign seven players but, crucially, only spent an initial £2million on Glenn Whelan and Ahmed Elmohamady.
Former Chelsea captain John Terry earns around £70,000 a week after signing on a free transfer, while the deal to sign Robert Snodgrass from West Ham on loan is also understood to include Villa paying around £40,000 a week of his wages.
But Villa’s success in generating cash through sales will ease fears over possible punishment, which could include a heavy fine or points deduction.
Last month manager Steve Bruce admitted: “I told people before the end of last season that there won’t be millions spent.
“I’ve had to balance the books. It’s always been a part of the manager’s job. In that respect, I’m trying to clean up the mess.
“The question you always ask is: Can I spend some money? At this particular moment, no I can’t.
“We have to get on with what we’ve got and I think we’ve still got a good enough squad to be challenging. I’m convinced about that.”
£6m Veretout
£2.5m Sanchez
£? Baker
£? Bacuna
£? Cissokho
£? Amavi Loan Fee
£? Gil Loan Fee
£? Gardner Loan Fee
£? Tshibola Loan Fee
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£18m
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£4 million for Baker.
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£2.5m Bacuna? (didn't we turn down Reading's first offer for £1.5m?)
Leaving about £2m fee for Amavi's year away and £1m loan fees combined between Gil/Gards/Tish.
We didn't do too badly all told.
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so he was at it then, in a sense, as he was the club's only shareholder?
He didn't take any of it out, if that's what you mean.
I sense we're on the slow boat to another Herbert discussion.
I fear you may be right.
I don't know about that. But I'm sure that there's one or two on here that would "hold a grudge" if Ellis had broken all those unwanted records and taken us out of the PL.
Just because we lauded the arrival of Lerner as the coming of the Messiah and the death of the Antichrist, we don't have this pretend the reality was anything other that a complete disaster. Or do we?
Ellis took us from European Champions to relegation in just 5 years, surely that's good enough reason to hold a grudge. I'm no Lerner fan but he took us from 6th to relegation in 6 years.
I don't hold a grudge against Lerner either to be honest I do believe he cared but that simply isn't enough.
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so he was at it then, in a sense, as he was the club's only shareholder?
He didn't take any of it out, if that's what you mean.
I sense we're on the slow boat to another Herbert discussion.
I fear you may be right.
I don't know about that. But I'm sure that there's one or two on here that would "hold a grudge" if Ellis had broken all those unwanted records and taken us out of the PL.
Just because we lauded the arrival of Lerner as the coming of the Messiah and the death of the Antichrist, we don't have this pretend the reality was anything other that a complete disaster. Or do we?
Ellis took us from European Champions to relegation in just 5 years, surely that's good enough reason to hold a grudge. I'm no Lerner fan but he took us from 6th to relegation in 6 years.
I don't hold a grudge against Lerner either to be honest I do believe he cared but that simply isn't enough.
He actually took us from very close to relegation, up to sixth a bit and then to relegation in six years, as our dearly beloved had pretty much ran us into the ground by then.
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Assuming the Telegraph is right I will give Bruce, Xia & Wyness some credit for avoiding the eldritch FFP and at the same time contstructing a squad that is still one of (if not the) strongest in the league. Good job.
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Assuming the Telegraph is right I will give Bruce, Xia & Wyness some credit for avoiding the eldritch FFP and at the same time contstructing a squad that is still one of (if not the) strongest in the league. Good job.
Yes, that's strikes me as good management all round, something that's been sorely lacking at the club for some time.
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We simply must go up this season. Or, with our dire financial position, we could be stuck here for years.
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£4 million for Baker.
Said no one ever
both clubs and the bbc said undisclosed
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Said plenty at the time you mean.
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In fairness, if the overall £18m figure is correct (and Percy at the Telegraph is decent with his Villa coverage), it must have been around that amount for Baker unless we managed to drug those Turks into signing an over-generous cheque for Cissokho.
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so he was at it then, in a sense, as he was the club's only shareholder?
He didn't take any of it out, if that's what you mean.
I sense we're on the slow boat to another Herbert discussion.
I fear you may be right.
I don't know about that. But I'm sure that there's one or two on here that would "hold a grudge" if Ellis had broken all those unwanted records and taken us out of the PL.
Just because we lauded the arrival of Lerner as the coming of the Messiah and the death of the Antichrist, we don't have this pretend the reality was anything other that a complete disaster. Or do we?
Ellis took us from European Champions to relegation in just 5 years, surely that's good enough reason to hold a grudge. I'm no Lerner fan but he took us from 6th to relegation in 6 years.
I don't hold a grudge against Lerner either to be honest I do believe he cared but that simply isn't enough.
Lerner humiliated this club more than any man before turning us into a genuine laughing stock then relegated us with one of the worst teams to ever grace the top division in England and here we are 2 seasons later still struggling to recover. Ellis was fantastic compared to that man.
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Are Villa being over cautious with ffp? Man City got a £49m fine in 2014 due to disparity in their transfers. No points deducted which would hurt these top clubs far more. They eventually got a £33m refund due to compliance in the following years. With Villa, the difference may only be a couple of million at most. Is it that bad in the grand scheme of things?
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Are Villa being over cautious with ffp? Man City got a £49m fine in 2014 due to disparity in their transfers. No points deducted which would hurt these top clubs far more. They eventually got a £33m refund due to compliance in the following years. With Villa, the difference may only be a couple of million at most. Is it that bad in the grand scheme of things?
The rules have now changed. As have the punishments.
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Are Villa being over cautious with ffp? Man City got a £49m fine in 2014 due to disparity in their transfers. No points deducted which would hurt these top clubs far more. They eventually got a £33m refund due to compliance in the following years. With Villa, the difference may only be a couple of million at most. Is it that bad in the grand scheme of things?
The rules have now changed. As have the punishments.
Or Dr X is cacking his pants, thinking he may have to dig into his own pocket?
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Are Villa being over cautious with ffp? Man City got a £49m fine in 2014 due to disparity in their transfers. No points deducted which would hurt these top clubs far more. They eventually got a £33m refund due to compliance in the following years. With Villa, the difference may only be a couple of million at most. Is it that bad in the grand scheme of things?
The rules have now changed. As have the punishments.
Or Dr X is cacking his pants, thinking he may have to dig into his own pocket?
They dock you points now which is worse than a fine. Imagine missing out on promotion and the £100m in PL money because you were docked points. Doesn't bear thinking about.
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Are Villa being over cautious with ffp? Man City got a £49m fine in 2014 due to disparity in their transfers. No points deducted which would hurt these top clubs far more. They eventually got a £33m refund due to compliance in the following years. With Villa, the difference may only be a couple of million at most. Is it that bad in the grand scheme of things?
The rules have now changed. As have the punishments.
Or Dr X is cacking his pants, thinking he may have to dig into his own pocket?
They dock you points now which is worse than a fine. Imagine missing out on promotion and the £100m in PL money because you were docked points. Doesn't bear thinking about.
I didn't know that, apologies. But then again, I haven't a clue how FFP works. :-[ :-[
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Ok, how many clubs have actually had points docked? PSG don't seem to worry with a certain transfer costing them £200m+!
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Ok, how many clubs have actually had points docked? PSG don't seem to worry with a certain transfer costing them £200m+!
None because no one has been punished since the rule change.
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Who would the football authorities make an example of and throw the book at. PSG, Citeh or Villa?
I'll give you a clue, it won't be a French team or a Manx team
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PSG are being investigated.
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Ok, how many clubs have actually had points docked? PSG don't seem to worry with a certain transfer costing them £200m+!
Given their £167m sponsorship deal with the Qatari tourist board, they probably don't need to be.
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Ok, how many clubs have actually had points docked? PSG don't seem to worry with a certain transfer costing them £200m+!
The point is about making a loss and spending. PSG have enough sponsorship from Slave keepers to not make a loss despite spending huge amounts.
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Isn't UEFA ffp different from EFL ffp?
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Ok, how many clubs have actually had points docked? PSG don't seem to worry with a certain transfer costing them £200m+!
Given their £167m sponsorship deal with the Qatari tourist board, they probably don't need to be.
So where is this multinational, multi million pound RECON group?
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RECON could sponsor us, but only at market rate.
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RECON will obviously bring money in by lorry loads through kit sponsorship once we are in the Premier League😟
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RECON could sponsor us, but only at market rate.
Can we put a price on this?
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RECON could sponsor us, but only at market rate.
Genuine question, what does that mean?
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RECON couldn't pay £100 million to sponsor a Championship club in an effort circumvent the rules of FFP.
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RECON could sponsor us, but only at market rate.
Genuine question, what does that mean?
3 for a tenner.
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RECON could sponsor us, but only at market rate.
Genuine question, what does that mean?
If for example Leeds managed to sell naming rights to Elland Road for £25 millioo.
Recon could not rename VP for. £200 million
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Surely market rate is what someone is prepared to
Pay ??
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Only if the buyer is arms-length.
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Only if the buyer is arms-length.
So Villa need sponsorship from Mr Tickle ?
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RECON could sponsor us, but only at market rate.
Genuine question, what does that mean?
If for example Leeds managed to sell naming rights to Elland Road for £25 millioo.
Recon could not rename VP for. £200 million
Thanks CL.
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Surely market rate is what someone is prepared to
Pay ??
That is correct. Elland Rd's naming rights might get sold for £25M, that doesn't automatically mean VP will be the same. If the club states they will only sell the naming rights for a fee above £200M then that becomes the market rate for VP naming rights.
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Surely market rate is what someone is prepared to
Pay ??
That is correct. Elland Rd's naming rights might get sold for £25M, that doesn't automatically mean VP will be the same. If the club states they will only sell the naming rights for a fee above £200M then that becomes the market rate for VP naming rights.
And if it was a genuine arm's length transaction, with a completely unrelated party like say, BP or Fedex, than that would be fine. If it was with one of Dr Tony's other group companies or subsidiaries, it wouldn't be.
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Who would the football authorities make an example of and throw the book at. PSG, Citeh or Villa?
I'll give you a clue, it won't be a French team or a Manx team
I'm not sure that Douglas Athletic, Laxey or Ramsey AFC will be breaching FFP rules any time soon!
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Surely market rate is what someone is prepared to
Pay ??
That is correct. Elland Rd's naming rights might get sold for £25M, that doesn't automatically mean VP will be the same. If the club states they will only sell the naming rights for a fee above £200M then that becomes the market rate for VP naming rights.
And if it was a genuine arm's length transaction, with a completely unrelated party like say, BP or Fedex, than that would be fine. If it was with one of Dr Tony's other group companies or subsidiaries, it wouldn't be.
Man City seemed to be able to get around their sponsorship deals and naming rights quite comfortably. If there is a will there is a way, if the money is there.
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Surely market rate is what someone is prepared to
Pay ??
That is correct. Elland Rd's naming rights might get sold for £25M, that doesn't automatically mean VP will be the same. If the club states they will only sell the naming rights for a fee above £200M then that becomes the market rate for VP naming rights.
And if it was a genuine arm's length transaction, with a completely unrelated party like say, BP or Fedex, than that would be fine. If it was with one of Dr Tony's other group companies or subsidiaries, it wouldn't be.
Yep, the problem is no one is really sure what market rates means or how that is affected by the size of the fan base or the reputation of the club. Sticking with Leeds and the £25m - Given they've got a smaller fan base, smaller ground, have been out of the top flight for a lot longer and have far fewer trophies, including having never won the european cup what does that make the market rate for us? If recon said £40m would that be reasonable given the differences and who gets to decide?
As the more realistic option is back of shirt sponsor (which is happening as of the next game) what is a fair rate for that in comparison with other clubs in the championship? We've been acknowledged by most as being the biggest club in the league so we can command a bigger deal, but how much bigger?
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Surely market rate is what someone is prepared to
Pay ??
That is correct. Elland Rd's naming rights might get sold for £25M, that doesn't automatically mean VP will be the same. If the club states they will only sell the naming rights for a fee above £200M then that becomes the market rate for VP naming rights.
And if it was a genuine arm's length transaction, with a completely unrelated party like say, BP or Fedex, than that would be fine. If it was with one of Dr Tony's other group companies or subsidiaries, it wouldn't be.
Yep, the problem is no one is really sure what market rates means or how that is affected by the size of the fan base or the reputation of the club. Sticking with Leeds and the £25m - Given they've got a smaller fan base, smaller ground, have been out of the top flight for a lot longer and have far fewer trophies, including having never won the european cup what does that make the market rate for us? If recon said £40m would that be reasonable given the differences and who gets to decide?
While I appreciate we're talking hypotheticals, isn't there a decimal point missing from £25m and £40m?
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I just ran with the figure above, I actually have no idea what stadium naming rights have been worth for teams.
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Surely market rate is what someone is prepared to
Pay ??
That is correct. Elland Rd's naming rights might get sold for £25M, that doesn't automatically mean VP will be the same. If the club states they will only sell the naming rights for a fee above £200M then that becomes the market rate for VP naming rights.
And if it was a genuine arm's length transaction, with a completely unrelated party like say, BP or Fedex, than that would be fine. If it was with one of Dr Tony's other group companies or subsidiaries, it wouldn't be.
Man City seemed to be able to get around their sponsorship deals and naming rights quite comfortably. If there is a will there is a way, if the money is there.
Absolutely. RECON, although owners or part owners are a separate company to AVFC Ltd or whatever. Naming rights are £200M, RECON want the naming rights and will pay. Legitimate business to get round the rules even though there is an association.
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Surely market rate is what someone is prepared to
Pay ??
That is correct. Elland Rd's naming rights might get sold for £25M, that doesn't automatically mean VP will be the same. If the club states they will only sell the naming rights for a fee above £200M then that becomes the market rate for VP naming rights.
And if it was a genuine arm's length transaction, with a completely unrelated party like say, BP or Fedex, than that would be fine. If it was with one of Dr Tony's other group companies or subsidiaries, it wouldn't be.
Man City seemed to be able to get around their sponsorship deals and naming rights quite comfortably. If there is a will there is a way, if the money is there.
Absolutely. RECON, although owners or part owners are a separate company to AVFC Ltd or whatever. Naming rights are £200M, RECON want the naming rights and will pay. Legitimate business to get round the rules even though there is an association.
Not anymore.
"UEFA are aware that owners of clubs could look to inflate a club’s profitability by injecting funds into clubs via artificially inflated commercial deals. Paris St-Germain recently announced a huge sponsorship deal via a body that is connected to the club owners. For this reason UEFA FFP rules require any transaction from a ‘related part’ (i.e. a company or body connected to the club owners) to be assessed to ensure it was a genuine transaction at a ‘fair value’. UEFA has the power to adjust any artificial ‘mates rates’ deals and apply a lower value to the Break Even calculation"
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If the powers that be in football want to go down the route of restricting markets etc . they should look at caps on
players wages agent fees and cost of tickets
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Surely market rate is what someone is prepared to
Pay ??
That is correct. Elland Rd's naming rights might get sold for £25M, that doesn't automatically mean VP will be the same. If the club states they will only sell the naming rights for a fee above £200M then that becomes the market rate for VP naming rights.
And if it was a genuine arm's length transaction, with a completely unrelated party like say, BP or Fedex, than that would be fine. If it was with one of Dr Tony's other group companies or subsidiaries, it wouldn't be.
Man City seemed to be able to get around their sponsorship deals and naming rights quite comfortably. If there is a will there is a way, if the money is there.
Absolutely. RECON, although owners or part owners are a separate company to AVFC Ltd or whatever. Naming rights are £200M, RECON want the naming rights and will pay. Legitimate business to get round the rules even though there is an association.
Not anymore.
"UEFA are aware that owners of clubs could look to inflate a club’s profitability by injecting funds into clubs via artificially inflated commercial deals. Paris St-Germain recently announced a huge sponsorship deal via a body that is connected to the club owners. For this reason UEFA FFP rules require any transaction from a ‘related part’ (i.e. a company or body connected to the club owners) to be assessed to ensure it was a genuine transaction at a ‘fair value’. UEFA has the power to adjust any artificial ‘mates rates’ deals and apply a lower value to the Break Even calculation"
Who legislates what is artificial or a fair value? Villa Park is unique, there is similar out there but not another in the world like it and that being the case nothing to compare it to. If the naming rights are £1.00 or £1billion then that's the price. A UEFA/FIFA ombudsman or watchdog or whatever can go and do one. The value is in the name and the association with the name, it can't be valued and certainly can't be valued by some suit in football. The buyer of the naming rights might just as easily be buying the naming rights for emotional reasons just as much as commercial. If for example RECON wanted to buy the Mona Lisa and the figure was £500M and then wanted to name it the RECON Mona Lisa who's to stop them?
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The value is what a buyer will pay. If somebody wants to buy the rights to a name for a period of time. It is an investment (assuming the buyer can benefit from the association) based on future worth. The club could win the PL in 5 years time and the rights could be worth 20 times what somebody says they are worth now. In other words, you cannot put an exact value on something now, that could increase in value in the future. Which goes back to the value being what somebody will pay.
If the football powers say otherwise, they are just protecting the current elite clubs.
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Sadly we don't get to decide Fair Value, so we could get a lump of cash from RECON, then UEFA decide its not fair value, block our promotion and the Doctor can spend the next few years suing the crap out of them.
Not the smartest busines decision.
There are firms that specialise in valuing Intelectual Property and Brands so there is no excuse to place your own made up value on something and try to blag it.
That is not to say that we are playing on a level playing field as far as sovereign wealth funds are concerned and thier ability to influence .
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The notion of "fair value" strikes me as being a contrived means that allows certain clubs to maintain a position of dominance. When it comes to assessing "fair value" for Villa, as soon as we're back in the top flight, we would be well within our rights to market ourselves in the Arsenal/ Chelsea/ Spurs ballpark on the back of our history and past successes - yet why do I just know this won't be allowed to happen? This is where we need a strong Chairman to stand up and challenge the status quo - could the Doctor be that man? I hope so.
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Yes Market value in Premier League is different and higher from market value in the Champianship.
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The notion of "fair value" strikes me as being a contrived means that allows certain clubs to maintain a position of dominance. When it comes to assessing "fair value" for Villa, as soon as we're back in the top flight, we would be well within our rights to market ourselves in the Arsenal/ Chelsea/ Spurs ballpark on the back of our history and past successes - yet why do I just know this won't be allowed to happen? This is where we need a strong Chairman to stand up and challenge the status quo - could the Doctor be that man? I hope so.
FFP in it's entirety is just about protecting the big clubs, as soon as they rejected the idea of wage caps (which wouldn't be illegal no matter how many times it's suggested) and transfer caps and set the limit entirely on turnover they handed all power over to the 15-20 teams across Europe who can generate genuine worldwide appeal. Other teams (like Leicester) might sneak into the mix for a year or 2 but the lack of a global marketing base to back them up will see them drop back before long.
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FFP in it's entirety is just about protecting the big clubs, as soon as they rejected the idea of wage caps (which wouldn't be illegal no matter how many times it's suggested)
I don't think I've often seem it mooted as illegal, just a bit pointless. Other leagues will just attract any semi-competent footballer, the interest and money will follow them and all of a sudden there is no need for a salary cap anyway as there's only a fraction of the previous money sloshing around.
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FFP in it's entirety is just about protecting the big clubs, as soon as they rejected the idea of wage caps (which wouldn't be illegal no matter how many times it's suggested)
I don't think I've often seem it mooted as illegal, just a bit pointless. Other leagues will just attract any semi-competent footballer, the interest and money will follow them and all of a sudden there is no need for a salary cap anyway as there's only a fraction of the previous money sloshing around.
When it was debated a few years ago there were plenty of comments about it being against EU laws to put a restriction on wages but it's wouldn't be that, it's a sanction on the amount a club can spend on wages which is a requirement to enter the competitions, which is perfectly in line with any law you can find.
For it to be workable it would need to be enforced by UEFA and the primary sanction would be removal from the champions league/europa league for teams that breech the cap.
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I don't know why they still call it Financial Fair Play. There is nothing fair about it.
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FFP in it's entirety is just about protecting the big clubs, as soon as they rejected the idea of wage caps (which wouldn't be illegal no matter how many times it's suggested)
I don't think I've often seem it mooted as illegal, just a bit pointless. Other leagues will just attract any semi-competent footballer, the interest and money will follow them and all of a sudden there is no need for a salary cap anyway as there's only a fraction of the previous money sloshing around.
When it was debated a few years ago there were plenty of comments about it being against EU laws to put a restriction on wages but it's wouldn't be that, it's a sanction on the amount a club can spend on wages which is a requirement to enter the competitions, which is perfectly in line with any law you can find.
For it to be workable it would need to be enforced by UEFA and the primary sanction would be removal from the champions league/europa league for teams that breech the cap.
And the Chinese, UAE, Mexican, Japanese, MLS and Australian leagues will suddenly find themselves a lot more attractive than they once were.
Which is why UEFA wouldn't introduce or enforce it. As far as they're concerned, their current way of doing things has made their leagues the richest and most popular that they have ever been.
What's in it for them to (as they would see it) downgrade the value of their product?
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What if Fifa made it law that the total salary per year could not exceed £50k a week?
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What if Fifa made it law that the total salary per year could not exceed £50k a week?
Why would FIFA want to do that? Neither FIFA, not UEFA have ever struck me as organisations who are concerned about there being too much money around the thing that they administer.
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Which is exactly why the 'solution' they've settled on is a waste of time that no one takes seriously ( other than villa)
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They might listen if people stopped going and stopped paying the subscriptions
It is forgotten who is the important party in this
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What if Fifa made it law that the total salary per year could not exceed £50k a week?
Oh yes the good old salary cap. They will find ingenuous ways to get past that.
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The problem is punters here and around the world as we are prepared to pay loads for watching it on TV.
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so he was at it then, in a sense, as he was the club's only shareholder?
He didn't take any of it out, if that's what you mean.
I sense we're on the slow boat to another Herbert discussion.
I fear you may be right.
I don't know about that. But I'm sure that there's one or two on here that would "hold a grudge" if Ellis had broken all those unwanted records and taken us out of the PL.
Just because we lauded the arrival of Lerner as the coming of the Messiah and the death of the Antichrist, we don't have this pretend the reality was anything other that a complete disaster. Or do we?
Ellis took us from European Champions to relegation in just 5 years, surely that's good enough reason to hold a grudge. I'm no Lerner fan but he took us from 6th to relegation in 6 years.
I don't hold a grudge against Lerner either to be honest I do believe he cared but that simply isn't enough.
Lerner humiliated this club more than any man before turning us into a genuine laughing stock then relegated us with one of the worst teams to ever grace the top division in England and here we are 2 seasons later still struggling to recover. Ellis was fantastic compared to that man.
Best team in Europe to relegation in 5 years I find that pretty embarrassing to be honest. Ellis took over when we'd just won the League, European Cup and European Super Cup and then destroyed that in 5 years that takes some doing.
You are right Ellis is better than Lerner. Ellis took the club down from a lot higher place in a shorter period of time so beats Lerner hands down.
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Are Villa being over cautious with ffp? Man City got a £49m fine in 2014 due to disparity in their transfers. No points deducted which would hurt these top clubs far more. They eventually got a £33m refund due to compliance in the following years. With Villa, the difference may only be a couple of million at most. Is it that bad in the grand scheme of things?
When Man city got done it always reminded my of Ace face in quadrophenia when fined he flashy asked "cash or cheque" I think Citeh paid cash.
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so he was at it then, in a sense, as he was the club's only shareholder?
He didn't take any of it out, if that's what you mean.
I sense we're on the slow boat to another Herbert discussion.
I fear you may be right.
I don't know about that. But I'm sure that there's one or two on here that would "hold a grudge" if Ellis had broken all those unwanted records and taken us out of the PL.
Just because we lauded the arrival of Lerner as the coming of the Messiah and the death of the Antichrist, we don't have this pretend the reality was anything other that a complete disaster. Or do we?
Ellis took us from European Champions to relegation in just 5 years, surely that's good enough reason to hold a grudge. I'm no Lerner fan but he took us from 6th to relegation in 6 years.
I don't hold a grudge against Lerner either to be honest I do believe he cared but that simply isn't enough.
Lerner humiliated this club more than any man before turning us into a genuine laughing stock then relegated us with one of the worst teams to ever grace the top division in England and here we are 2 seasons later still struggling to recover. Ellis was fantastic compared to that man.
Best team in Europe to relegation in 5 years I find that pretty embarrassing to be honest. Ellis took over when we'd just won the League, European Cup and European Super Cup and then destroyed that in 5 years that takes some doing.
You are right Ellis is better than Lerner. Ellis took the club down from a lot higher place in a shorter period of time so beats Lerner hands down.
Yeah, you keep telling yourself that next time the likes of the mighty Cardiff and Brentford tear us another arsehole while we struggle at the wrong end of the Championship.
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In 1983 we were beating Barcelona in the Super Cup. 4 years later, we're playing Plymouth Argyle in Divison 2. That takes some doing.
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Weren't we already tumbling down the table and in massive debt by the time Ellis returned?
I thought we finished mid table the year after winning the league?
Also, to be a bit pedantic, Ellis was back with us when we won the Supercup.
One thing I know for sure. In my 40 years of supporting Villa we have never been thought of of more irrelevant and worthy of nationwide ridicule than we have in the last few years.
I'll hold my hand up and say I wanted Doug to move over years before he did. I thought, like most on here, that the next person would come along and prove how easy it is to get our club back to the very top, especially with having money.
I'm man enough to admit I was wrong. It's not easy, and it never was. But, good god, Lerner really made a complete fuck up of it.
In hindsight I enjoyed the Ellis years a damn site more than I did the Lerner years. I'm not going to pretend I didn't, just because it offends those who continue to hate Ellis with a passion.
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Weren't we already tumbling down the table and in massive debt by the time Ellis returned?
I thought we finished mid table the year after winning the league?
Also, to be a bit pedantic, Ellis was back with us when we won the Supercup.
One thing I know for sure. In my 40 years of supporting Villa we have never been thought of of more irrelevant and worthy of nationwide ridicule than we have in the last few years.
I'll hold my hand up and say I wanted Doug to move over years before he did. I thought, like most on here, that the next person would come along and prove how easy it is to get our club back to the very top, especially with having money.
I'm man enough to admit I was wrong. It's not easy, and it never was. But, good god, Lerner really made a complete fuck up of it.
In hindsight I enjoyed the Ellis years a damn site more than I did the Lerner years. I'm not going to pretend I didn't, just because it offends those who continue to hate Ellis with a passion.
We finished tenth the season after winning the league but we did have a minor consolation trophy at the end of it. We were in no more debt than any other club, despite what Doug likes to say, and were sixth in the season he took over. We were relegated four years after that.
I'm not offended, I don't particularly hate Ellis, but I don't see why he should now be beyond criticism just because his successor left us in as bad a shape as Ellis took us to.
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In 1983 we were beating Barcelona in the Super Cup. 4 years later, we're playing Plymouth Argyle in Divison 2. That takes some doing.
Man Utd did it before us. It happened in the days before money took over and protected the big clubs.
If the people running the club before Ellis came back had done a better job of not getting us into massive debt then, perhaps, things would have been different.
I'd still take those days over the last few years.
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Weren't we already tumbling down the table and in massive debt by the time Ellis returned?
I thought we finished mid table the year after winning the league?
Also, to be a bit pedantic, Ellis was back with us when we won the Supercup.
One thing I know for sure. In my 40 years of supporting Villa we have never been thought of of more irrelevant and worthy of nationwide ridicule than we have in the last few years.
I'll hold my hand up and say I wanted Doug to move over years before he did. I thought, like most on here, that the next person would come along and prove how easy it is to get our club back to the very top, especially with having money.
I'm man enough to admit I was wrong. It's not easy, and it never was. But, good god, Lerner really made a complete fuck up of it.
In hindsight I enjoyed the Ellis years a damn site more than I did the Lerner years. I'm not going to pretend I didn't, just because it offends those who continue to hate Ellis with a passion.
We finished tenth the season after winning the league but we did have a minor consolation trophy at the end of it. We were in no more debt than any other club, despite what Doug likes to say, and were sixth in the season he took over. We were relegated four years after that.
I'm not offended, I don't particularly hate Ellis, but I don't see why he should now be beyond criticism just because his successor left us in as bad a shape as Ellis took us to.
That's fine. As long as the same goes for Lerner.
Having been an avid reader of this forum for the last few years, I'm not sure it does. From some people at least.
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I don't hate Ellis either. I've got a lot of respect for the old bugger but I think some of the criticism is fair, just like some of the criticism of Lerner is.
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Anyway chaps what about 60,000 stadium the new regime
are planning ?? Onwards and upwards 😉
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Anyway chaps what about 60,000 stadium the new regime
are planning ?? Onwards and upwards 😉
Yes please!
Failing that, a decent paint job on the outside of the North Stand would do me. 😁
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In 1983 we were beating Barcelona in the Super Cup. 4 years later, we're playing Plymouth Argyle in Divison 2. That takes some doing.
Man Utd did it before us. It happened in the days before money took over and protected the big clubs.
If the people running the club before Ellis came back had done a better job of not getting us into massive debt then, perhaps, things would have been different.
I'd still take those days over the last few years.
We weren't in massive debt before he came back. That's the whole point - he didn't dismantle the best team in Europe because he had to, it was out of sheer spite and jealousy. And that really should be my last word on this subject.
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We were in debt. Very considerable for the time, before big money could quickly be made.
The rest of it is a very one sided opinion based on the views of people who are only interested in that one particular side.
Ellis was a man who made mistakes, whilst still making us competitive, with very little money.
Lerner had shite loads of money, won nothing, and broke about every negative record in our near 150 year history.
I'm well aware of your views on Ellis, Dave, and I agree on some of them.
What I'm less sure of are your views on Lerner, despite years of reading this forum. Now those views I would be really interested in, as they would be new to me.
Perhaps I'll see you in the Lerner thread, if I can find it.😉
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Wasn't a lot of the debt caused by our success in that we paid high bonuses in winning the league.
We can compare the Ellis and Lerner years in how quickly we fell and to what depths but, for me, I will not forget the massive opportunity Ellis passed up when we came back up and re-established ourselves. We could have been part of the massive financial growth as the PL took hold. Instead, Ellis continued with his corner shop mentality. Financially, Ellis grew at a far greater rate than Villa.
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We were in debt. Very considerable for the time, before big money could quickly be made.
The rest of it is a very one sided opinion based on the views of people who are only interested in that one particular side.
Ellis was a man who made mistakes, whilst still making us competitive, with very little money.
Lerner had shite loads of money, won nothing, and broke about every negative record in our near 150 year history.
I'm well aware of your views on Ellis, Dave, and I agree on some of them.
What I'm less sure of are your views on Lerner, despite years of reading this forum. Now those views I would be really interested in, as they would be new to me.
Perhaps I'll see you in the Lerner thread, if I can find it.😉
1) We were not in considerable debt. If we were, I'd be very grateful if you could find evidence.
2) I'm interested in every side. That's why this forum exists.
3) The Ellis Years have been done to death and I have no intention of revisiting them, except to ponder on whose fault it was that we had very little money, as you put it.
4) Lerner can have spent as much of his own money as he wanted. That doesn't make him any worse, or offer any defence.
5) Why do I get the impression that your real reason for being on this thread is to move towards slagging me? If so, please hurry up and get it over with.
6) There are plenty of Lerner-based threads on here. Have a look round for them.
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All above the slooooooooow boat!
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Anyway chaps what about 60,000 stadium the new regime
are planning ?? Onwards and upwards 😉
I think that's it. We start by building a 60k stadium and everything else will follow😆Not sure about this paint job though.
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Anyway chaps what about 60,000 stadium the new regime
are planning ?? Onwards and upwards 😉
I think that's it. We start by building a 60k stadium and everything else will follow😆Not sure about this paint job though.
Build it and they will come....
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Weren't we already tumbling down the table and in massive debt by the time Ellis returned?
I thought we finished mid table the year after winning the league?
Also, to be a bit pedantic, Ellis was back with us when we won the Supercup.
One thing I know for sure. In my 40 years of supporting Villa we have never been thought of of more irrelevant and worthy of nationwide ridicule than we have in the last few years.
I'll hold my hand up and say I wanted Doug to move over years before he did. I thought, like most on here, that the next person would come along and prove how easy it is to get our club back to the very top, especially with having money.
I'm man enough to admit I was wrong. It's not easy, and it never was. But, good god, Lerner really made a complete fuck up of it.
In hindsight I enjoyed the Ellis years a damn site more than I did the Lerner years. I'm not going to pretend I didn't, just because it offends those who continue to hate Ellis with a passion.
We finished tenth the season after winning the league but we did have a minor consolation trophy at the end of it. We were in no more debt than any other club, despite what Doug likes to say, and were sixth in the season he took over. We were relegated four years after that.
I'm not offended, I don't particularly hate Ellis, but I don't see why he should now be beyond criticism just because his successor left us in as bad a shape as Ellis took us to.
That's fine. As long as the same goes for Lerner.
Having been an avid reader of this forum for the last few years, I'm not sure it does. From some people at least.
Exactly.
And let's not forget that Ellis didn't relegate us with one of the worst teams ever seen in the top division of English football either, and didn't leave us with a skeleton of of a club like Lerner did. He has put this club back years and turned us into a genuine laughing stock. There's no comparison between the two in my opinion.
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Anyway chaps what about 60,000 stadium the new regime
are planning ?? Onwards and upwards 😉
I think that's it. We start by building a 60k stadium and everything else will follow😆Not sure about this paint job though.
Build it and they will come....
You're right. I'm pretty sure anytime we've built a new stand our average attendances have increased.
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Unfortunately, I'm old enough to remember what was going on in 1982. The October AGM proved what the media had been speculating on for some time. The finances were a mess.
We had very little money because there wasn't loads available to us or Ellis, at the time. Certainly not the half a billion plus that Lerner had go through his hands and wasted.
As for the rest of it, I only want to say I have no intention of slagging you off. This is your site. I respect that. That won't stop me from putting an opposing view forward, or balancing, what I perceive to be, a one-eyed view of things. I'm sure most people don't mind that.
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One thing I know for sure. In my 40 years of supporting Villa we have never been thought of of more irrelevant and worthy of nationwide ridicule than we have in the last few years.
Surely irrelevance and nationwide ridicule are mutually exclusive?
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Unfortunately, I'm old enough to remember what was going on in 1982. The October AGM proved what the media had been speculating on for some time. The finances were a mess.
We had very little money because there wasn't loads available to us or Ellis, at the time. Certainly not the half a billion plus that Lerner had go through his hands and wasted.
As for the rest of it, I only want to say I have no intention of slagging you off. This is your site. I respect that. That won't stop me from putting an opposing view forward, or balancing, what I perceive to be, a one-eyed view of things. I'm sure most people don't mind that.
I'm also old enough to remember it all. All of it. And the years that came afterwards. But as I said before, they've been debated ad nauseum and no doubt will be again. As will the Lerner years, and I really cannot be arsed to carry this one on.
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I suggest you remove yourself from this forum and post somewhere else😂
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I suggest you remove yourself from this forum and post somewhere else😂
Is TBAR still going?
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I suggest you remove yourself from this forum and post somewhere else😂
Is TBAR still going?
I popped on there a few weeks back and there was one person online, which was me.
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I suggest you remove yourself from this forum and post somewhere else😂
Is TBAR still going?
I popped on there a few weeks back and there was one person online, which was me.
Well, at least you got to keep all of the biscuits to yourself.
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I suggest you remove yourself from this forum and post somewhere else😂
Is TBAR still going?
I popped on there a few weeks back and there was one person online, which was me.
Well, at least you got to keep all of the biscuits to yourself.
They'd all gone stale, sadly.
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We're we not one of the only debt free clubs during Dougs' last couple of years?
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Anyway chaps what about 60,000 stadium the new regime
are planning ?? Onwards and upwards 😉
Yes please!
Failing that, a decent paint job on the outside of the North Stand would do me. 😁
It's time they bulldozed the North Stand. To put things into perspective Wolves knocked down the old North bank terrace and built a new stand. Now they've knocked down that stand and built a replacement! In all that time our North stand has stood as a testament to apathy in my view.
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Wolves ground has gone from looking decent to looking absolutely fucking ridiculous with that new stand. If they make the other 3 stands symetrical then it will look better looking, but even emptier.
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I suggest you remove yourself from this forum and post somewhere else😂
Is TBAR still going?
I popped on there a few weeks back and there was one person online, which was me.
I bet you still had a disagreement :)
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It's time they bulldozed the North Stand. To put things into perspective Wolves knocked down the old North bank terrace and built a new stand. Now they've knocked down that stand and built a replacement! In all that time our North stand has stood as a testament to apathy in my view.
Wolves also went into receivership and were minutes away from liquidation, partly as a result of the folly that they called the John Ireland stand
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One thing I know for sure. In my 40 years of supporting Villa we have never been thought of of more irrelevant and worthy of nationwide ridicule than we have in the last few years.
Surely irrelevance and nationwide ridicule are mutually exclusive?
No.
You can be irrelevant when it comes to being a top 6 Premiership contender, but open to ridicule as a lower league team.
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Now you are introducing caveats to your original statement :)
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I reserve that right, at all times. 😉
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It's time they bulldozed the North Stand. To put things into perspective Wolves knocked down the old North bank terrace and built a new stand. Now they've knocked down that stand and built a replacement! In all that time our North stand has stood as a testament to apathy in my view.
Wolves also went into receivership and were minutes away from liquidation, partly as a result of the folly that they called the John Ireland stand
That's not the point. Nor is it the John Ireland stand. The old North bank has been rebuilt twice while we still have the original North stand from 1977. The facilities have always been sub standard.
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It's time they bulldozed the North Stand. To put things into perspective Wolves knocked down the old North bank terrace and built a new stand. Now they've knocked down that stand and built a replacement! In all that time our North stand has stood as a testament to apathy in my view.
Wolves also went into receivership and were minutes away from liquidation, partly as a result of the folly that they called the John Ireland stand
That's not the point. Nor is it the John Ireland stand. The old North bank has been rebuilt twice while we still have the original North stand from 1977. The facilities have always been sub standard.
And what good has that done for Wolves? Spunking money on a stand that was never going to be filled with fans was the connection I was trying to make. And I'm not sure Wolves have learned their lesson. They average 21,000 at Moline...Molynea.....Moulinex.....the Wolves' ground. That's 10,000 brand new empty seats
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It's time they bulldozed the North Stand. To put things into perspective Wolves knocked down the old North bank terrace and built a new stand. Now they've knocked down that stand and built a replacement! In all that time our North stand has stood as a testament to apathy in my view.
Wolves also went into receivership and were minutes away from liquidation, partly as a result of the folly that they called the John Ireland stand
That's not the point. Nor is it the John Ireland stand. The old North bank has been rebuilt twice while we still have the original North stand from 1977. The facilities have always been sub standard.
And what good has that done for Wolves? Spunking money on a stand that was never going to be filled with fans was the connection I was trying to make. And I'm not sure Wolves have learned their lesson. They average 21,000 at Moline...Molynea.....Moulinex.....the Wolves' ground. That's 10,000 brand new empty seats
I'm not sure I understand your point and how it has any wider application beyond how shabby the Wolves bin. What about the demolition of the Rainbow Stand and the building of a bigger East Stand at the Hawthorns? They don't fill it very often, but its coincided with an upturn in fortunes for them.
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It's time they bulldozed the North Stand. To put things into perspective Wolves knocked down the old North bank terrace and built a new stand. Now they've knocked down that stand and built a replacement! In all that time our North stand has stood as a testament to apathy in my view.
Wolves also went into receivership and were minutes away from liquidation, partly as a result of the folly that they called the John Ireland stand
That's not the point. Nor is it the John Ireland stand. The old North bank has been rebuilt twice while we still have the original North stand from 1977. The facilities have always been sub standard.
And what good has that done for Wolves? Spunking money on a stand that was never going to be filled with fans was the connection I was trying to make. And I'm not sure Wolves have learned their lesson. They average 21,000 at Moline...Molynea.....Moulinex.....the Wolves' ground. That's 10,000 brand new empty seats
Well there is probably never a great time to be ploughing money into the stadium when there's a constant need for improvement on the pitch. Point being ambitious clubs spend money on their stadium. Make all the arguments you want but the North stand is a relic and rebuilding it would send out all the right messages. At least the club seems to have grabbed that concept at long last.
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It's time they bulldozed the North Stand. To put things into perspective Wolves knocked down the old North bank terrace and built a new stand. Now they've knocked down that stand and built a replacement! In all that time our North stand has stood as a testament to apathy in my view.
Wolves also went into receivership and were minutes away from liquidation, partly as a result of the folly that they called the John Ireland stand
That's not the point. Nor is it the John Ireland stand. The old North bank has been rebuilt twice while we still have the original North stand from 1977. The facilities have always been sub standard.
And what good has that done for Wolves? Spunking money on a stand that was never going to be filled with fans was the connection I was trying to make. And I'm not sure Wolves have learned their lesson. They average 21,000 at Moline...Molynea.....Moulinex.....the Wolves' ground. That's 10,000 brand new empty seats
Well there is probably never a great time to be ploughing money into the stadium when there's a constant need for improvement on the pitch. Point being ambitious clubs spend money on their stadium. Make all the arguments you want but the North stand is a relic and rebuilding it would send out all the right messages. At least the club seems to have grabbed that concept at long last.
I think Lerner did grasp it he just couldn't be bothered to do anything about it.
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It's time they bulldozed the North Stand. To put things into perspective Wolves knocked down the old North bank terrace and built a new stand. Now they've knocked down that stand and built a replacement! In all that time our North stand has stood as a testament to apathy in my view.
Wolves also went into receivership and were minutes away from liquidation, partly as a result of the folly that they called the John Ireland stand
That's not the point. Nor is it the John Ireland stand. The old North bank has been rebuilt twice while we still have the original North stand from 1977. The facilities have always been sub standard.
And what good has that done for Wolves? Spunking money on a stand that was never going to be filled with fans was the connection I was trying to make. And I'm not sure Wolves have learned their lesson. They average 21,000 at Moline...Molynea.....Moulinex.....the Wolves' ground. That's 10,000 brand new empty seats
Well there is probably never a great time to be ploughing money into the stadium when there's a constant need for improvement on the pitch. Point being ambitious clubs spend money on their stadium. Make all the arguments you want but the North stand is a relic and rebuilding it would send out all the right messages. At least the club seems to have grabbed that concept at long last.
I think Lerner did grasp it he just couldn't be bothered to do anything about it.
Yeah he had big plans and some great ideas to improve the ground and infrastructure but as with everything else under Randy it just didn't quite go to plan. As has been pointed out on here many times he sunk a lot of his families money into the villa so he can't be accused of not trying. Pity he had such a set of useless advisors.
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It's time they bulldozed the North Stand. To put things into perspective Wolves knocked down the old North bank terrace and built a new stand. Now they've knocked down that stand and built a replacement! In all that time our North stand has stood as a testament to apathy in my view.
Wolves also went into receivership and were minutes away from liquidation, partly as a result of the folly that they called the John Ireland stand
I always wondered if the John Ireland stand was actually in the same postcode area as the rest of Molineux.
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We were in debt. Very considerable for the time, before big money could quickly be made.
The rest of it is a very one sided opinion based on the views of people who are only interested in that one particular side.
Ellis was a man who made mistakes, whilst still making us competitive, with very little money.
Lerner had shite loads of money, won nothing, and broke about every negative record in our near 150 year history.
I'm well aware of your views on Ellis, Dave, and I agree on some of them.
What I'm less sure of are your views on Lerner, despite years of reading this forum. Now those views I would be really interested in, as they would be new to me.
Perhaps I'll see you in the Lerner thread, if I can find it.😉
Here's a question for you who made money out of villa Ellis or Lerner?
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Weren't we already tumbling down the table and in massive debt by the time Ellis returned?
I thought we finished mid table the year after winning the league?
Also, to be a bit pedantic, Ellis was back with us when we won the Supercup.
One thing I know for sure. In my 40 years of supporting Villa we have never been thought of of more irrelevant and worthy of nationwide ridicule than we have in the last few years.
I'll hold my hand up and say I wanted Doug to move over years before he did. I thought, like most on here, that the next person would come along and prove how easy it is to get our club back to the very top, especially with having money.
I'm man enough to admit I was wrong. It's not easy, and it never was. But, good god, Lerner really made a complete fuck up of it.
In hindsight I enjoyed the Ellis years a damn site more than I did the Lerner years. I'm not going to pretend I didn't, just because it offends those who continue to hate Ellis with a passion.
We finished tenth the season after winning the league but we did have a minor consolation trophy at the end of it. We were in no more debt than any other club, despite what Doug likes to say, and were sixth in the season he took over. We were relegated four years after that.
I'm not offended, I don't particularly hate Ellis, but I don't see why he should now be beyond criticism just because his successor left us in as bad a shape as Ellis took us to.
That's fine. As long as the same goes for Lerner.
Having been an avid reader of this forum for the last few years, I'm not sure it does. From some people at least.
Exactly.
And let's not forget that Ellis didn't relegate us with one of the worst teams ever seen in the top division of English football either, and didn't leave us with a skeleton of of a club like Lerner did. He has put this club back years and turned us into a genuine laughing stock. There's no comparison between the two in my opinion.
Hang on do you not remember the last season with Ellis where we were well on the route to where we are now.
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We were in debt. Very considerable for the time, before big money could quickly be made.
The rest of it is a very one sided opinion based on the views of people who are only interested in that one particular side.
Ellis was a man who made mistakes, whilst still making us competitive, with very little money.
Lerner had shite loads of money, won nothing, and broke about every negative record in our near 150 year history.
I'm well aware of your views on Ellis, Dave, and I agree on some of them.
What I'm less sure of are your views on Lerner, despite years of reading this forum. Now those views I would be really interested in, as they would be new to me.
Perhaps I'll see you in the Lerner thread, if I can find it.😉
Here's a question for you who made money out of villa Ellis or Lerner?
When a man with experience meets a man with money,Ellis got the money and Randy got an experience.
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It's time they bulldozed the North Stand. To put things into perspective Wolves knocked down the old North bank terrace and built a new stand. Now they've knocked down that stand and built a replacement! In all that time our North stand has stood as a testament to apathy in my view.
Wolves also went into receivership and were minutes away from liquidation, partly as a result of the folly that they called the John Ireland stand
That's not the point. Nor is it the John Ireland stand. The old North bank has been rebuilt twice while we still have the original North stand from 1977. The facilities have always been sub standard.
And what good has that done for Wolves? Spunking money on a stand that was never going to be filled with fans was the connection I was trying to make. And I'm not sure Wolves have learned their lesson. They average 21,000 at Moline...Molynea.....Moulinex.....the Wolves' ground. That's 10,000 brand new empty seats
Well there is probably never a great time to be ploughing money into the stadium when there's a constant need for improvement on the pitch. Point being ambitious clubs spend money on their stadium. Make all the arguments you want but the North stand is a relic and rebuilding it would send out all the right messages. At least the club seems to have grabbed that concept at long last.
I think Lerner did grasp it he just couldn't be bothered to do anything about it.
I think that's unfair. He spent a lot of dosh on a lot of things and in the grand scheme of things, there wasn't much point spending money on the ground when we weren't filling what we had.
It's the age old thing, the teams investing in their grounds, Arsenal, Tottenham, Liverpool, Man City, Chelsea, Man Utd.... they need growth in their grounds because they get big crowds. They get big crowds because they do well. When we do well, we'll get bigger crowds. Which will be the time to potentially increase capacity. There's no point putting in 60,000 seats if we only get 35,000 fans in a 42,000 capacity ground.
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We were in debt. Very considerable for the time, before big money could quickly be made.
The rest of it is a very one sided opinion based on the views of people who are only interested in that one particular side.
Ellis was a man who made mistakes, whilst still making us competitive, with very little money.
Lerner had shite loads of money, won nothing, and broke about every negative record in our near 150 year history.
I'm well aware of your views on Ellis, Dave, and I agree on some of them.
What I'm less sure of are your views on Lerner, despite years of reading this forum. Now those views I would be really interested in, as they would be new to me.
Perhaps I'll see you in the Lerner thread, if I can find it.😉
Here's a question for you who made money out of villa Ellis or Lerner?
The good business man.
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We were in debt. Very considerable for the time, before big money could quickly be made.
The rest of it is a very one sided opinion based on the views of people who are only interested in that one particular side.
Ellis was a man who made mistakes, whilst still making us competitive, with very little money.
Lerner had shite loads of money, won nothing, and broke about every negative record in our near 150 year history.
I'm well aware of your views on Ellis, Dave, and I agree on some of them.
What I'm less sure of are your views on Lerner, despite years of reading this forum. Now those views I would be really interested in, as they would be new to me.
Perhaps I'll see you in the Lerner thread, if I can find it.😉
Here's a question for you who made money out of villa Ellis or Lerner?
The good business man.
On what planet is a man who sold all his club's best players unnecessarily, replaced them with poorer ones and hence got relegated, a "good businessman"?
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Weren't we already tumbling down the table and in massive debt by the time Ellis returned?
I thought we finished mid table the year after winning the league?
Also, to be a bit pedantic, Ellis was back with us when we won the Supercup.
One thing I know for sure. In my 40 years of supporting Villa we have never been thought of of more irrelevant and worthy of nationwide ridicule than we have in the last few years.
I'll hold my hand up and say I wanted Doug to move over years before he did. I thought, like most on here, that the next person would come along and prove how easy it is to get our club back to the very top, especially with having money.
I'm man enough to admit I was wrong. It's not easy, and it never was. But, good god, Lerner really made a complete fuck up of it.
In hindsight I enjoyed the Ellis years a damn site more than I did the Lerner years. I'm not going to pretend I didn't, just because it offends those who continue to hate Ellis with a passion.
We finished tenth the season after winning the league but we did have a minor consolation trophy at the end of it. We were in no more debt than any other club, despite what Doug likes to say, and were sixth in the season he took over. We were relegated four years after that.
I'm not offended, I don't particularly hate Ellis, but I don't see why he should now be beyond criticism just because his successor left us in as bad a shape as Ellis took us to.
That's fine. As long as the same goes for Lerner.
Having been an avid reader of this forum for the last few years, I'm not sure it does. From some people at least.
Exactly.
And let's not forget that Ellis didn't relegate us with one of the worst teams ever seen in the top division of English football either, and didn't leave us with a skeleton of of a club like Lerner did. He has put this club back years and turned us into a genuine laughing stock. There's no comparison between the two in my opinion.
Hang on do you not remember the last season with Ellis where we were well on the route to where we are now.
I do remember that last season with Ellis where we did appear to be well on route to where we are now. I also remember 1982-1987 where he did take us to where we are now. I dread to think what would have happened if SGT hadn't fancied the job.
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I have just read the last half-dozen pages of this thread, I will never get that time back again. :'(
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We were in debt. Very considerable for the time, before big money could quickly be made.
The rest of it is a very one sided opinion based on the views of people who are only interested in that one particular side.
Ellis was a man who made mistakes, whilst still making us competitive, with very little money.
Lerner had shite loads of money, won nothing, and broke about every negative record in our near 150 year history.
I'm well aware of your views on Ellis, Dave, and I agree on some of them.
What I'm less sure of are your views on Lerner, despite years of reading this forum. Now those views I would be really interested in, as they would be new to me.
Perhaps I'll see you in the Lerner thread, if I can find it.😉
Here's a question for you who made money out of villa Ellis or Lerner?
The good business man.
On what planet is a man who sold all his club's best players unnecessarily, replaced them with poorer ones and hence got relegated, a "good businessman"?
You need to go and look up " businessman ".
He took us down, got is back up, won some cups, and then sold us for tens of millions.
Lerner only managed 1 out of those 4.
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Well at least you're not patronising.
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Well at least you're not patronising.
And at least you're not delicate.
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You're.
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I have just read the last half-dozen pages of this thread, I will never get that time back again. :'(
Come on. You enjoyed it really. 😉
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A decent businessman would've seen that the premier league was going to be a cash cow and, given where we were when it was formed, made sure we stayed near the top end but every time we needed a couple of key signings to push us forward he either fucked them up or baulked at the cost.
You do have to keep on top of the finances, Leeds showed the risks of not doing so but going completely the other way and missing out on players (Robbie Keane for example) for want of a few hundred thousand was just as wrong and the wheels had clearly come off when Lerner arrived. What happened then shouldn't allow Ellis to get away with how poorly he managed the club in the first 15 years of the sky era.
By the time Lerner arrived we were probably the only club that had been a mainstay in the premier league that was still run like a division 1 club. Lerner made a mess of trying to fix that but at least he tried to turn us into a modern club.
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The Premier League was more of a cash cow during Lerner's time than Ellis', and look where we are.
Ellis managed to get us back to the top division first time of trying in the 1980's, with very little money. Let's see how long it takes us without him, and with lots of money.
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Anyway, we are going around in circles. But at least it's getting my post count up!
How many do I need to progress from 'Parks player'?😉
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Ellis managed to ensure we were an also ran by not getting what the Premier League was at a time that Edwards and co. elsewhere did. Look at Chelsea for fecks sake, even before Abramovich.
When we came 2nd to Man Yanited we'd more or less got the exact same trophy haul, had a bigger ground (albeit nowhere near the support) yet they got what the league was. We were beans on toast in an ever more Michelin starred world, to paraphrase Bates.
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Others teams actually won the Premiership, look at Blackburn, and are nowhere near the level of Man Utd, or even us.
You make it around so simple. Ignoring the fact that Man Utd along with the London clubs, have many advantages that we will never have. Media backing for one.
Ellis proved how hard it was, by selling to the multi millionaire who then managed to show the world how not to do it.
We invested an awful lot in Lerner dethroning 'The Antichrist'. It was a disaster. Surely we don't have to pretend it wasn't, just so we can keep bashing Ellis as 'the worst of all time'.
Having been a fan since the 70's, I know which I enjoyed the least. It was the last few years of Lerner.
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Yay! I'm a 'trialist'!
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Lerner saw what the problems were but made a mess of trying to fix them, Ellis didn't even think they were problems. Both of them were shit but Ellis missed the bus whereas Lerner just couldn't catch up to it.
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Others teams actually won the Premiership, look at Blackburn, and are nowhere near the level of Man Utd, or even us.
You make it around so simple. Ignoring the fact that Man Utd along with the London clubs, have many advantages that we will never have. Media backing for one.
Ellis proved how hard it was, by selling to the multi millionaire who then managed to show the world how not to do it.
We invested an awful lot in Lerner dethroning 'The Antichrist'. It was a disaster. Surely we don't have to pretend it wasn't, just so we can keep bashing Ellis as 'the worst of all time'.
Having been a fan since the 70's, I know which I enjoyed the least. It was the last few years of Lerner.
Blackburn were lucky in that they had a relatively rich owner for a short period when you could still buy the best player in the league for £5m. The rapidly ballooning TV deals and influx of much richer foreign owners soon made that level of wealth not much of an advantage.
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Ellis managed to ensure we were an also ran by not getting what the Premier League was at a time that Edwards and co. elsewhere did. Look at Chelsea for fecks sake, even before Abramovich.
When we came 2nd to Man Yanited we'd more or less got the exact same trophy haul, had a bigger ground (albeit nowhere near the support) yet they got what the league was. We were beans on toast in an ever more Michelin starred world, to paraphrase Bates.
Before Abramovic Chelsea were spending millions of Mathew Harding's money. Those buggers got lucky twice!
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Blackburn also had absolutely no infrastructure and nothing like a big enough fan base to maintain a place at the top of the league.
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Weren't we already tumbling down the table and in massive debt by the time Ellis returned?
I thought we finished mid table the year after winning the league?
Also, to be a bit pedantic, Ellis was back with us when we won the Supercup.
One thing I know for sure. In my 40 years of supporting Villa we have never been thought of of more irrelevant and worthy of nationwide ridicule than we have in the last few years.
I'll hold my hand up and say I wanted Doug to move over years before he did. I thought, like most on here, that the next person would come along and prove how easy it is to get our club back to the very top, especially with having money.
I'm man enough to admit I was wrong. It's not easy, and it never was. But, good god, Lerner really made a complete fuck up of it.
In hindsight I enjoyed the Ellis years a damn site more than I did the Lerner years. I'm not going to pretend I didn't, just because it offends those who continue to hate Ellis with a passion.
We finished tenth the season after winning the league but we did have a minor consolation trophy at the end of it. We were in no more debt than any other club, despite what Doug likes to say, and were sixth in the season he took over. We were relegated four years after that.
I'm not offended, I don't particularly hate Ellis, but I don't see why he should now be beyond criticism just because his successor left us in as bad a shape as Ellis took us to.
That's fine. As long as the same goes for Lerner.
Having been an avid reader of this forum for the last few years, I'm not sure it does. From some people at least.
Exactly.
And let's not forget that Ellis didn't relegate us with one of the worst teams ever seen in the top division of English football either, and didn't leave us with a skeleton of of a club like Lerner did. He has put this club back years and turned us into a genuine laughing stock. There's no comparison between the two in my opinion.
Hang on do you not remember the last season with Ellis where we were well on the route to where we are now.
I do remember that last season with Ellis where we did appear to be well on route to where we are now. I also remember 1982-1987 where he did take us to where we are now. I dread to think what would have happened if SGT hadn't fancied the job.
The decline leading up to relegation in '87 was nowhere near as humiliating as the last 7 years no matter how much you try and dress it up, and by the way we were back in the big time at the first attempt. Getting whipped by the likes of Cardiff and Brentford in the bottom half of the Championship is Lerner's legacy.
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Villa was, and still is, in Dougs blood. Dare I say, if he was still here we would be in a far better place!
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You don't have to think Lerner was a buffoon by praising Doug, who was an abysmal owner.
Definitely had Villa in his blood while he skulked at the Noses.
As for better place, maybe we could have had another 10 years of Pug Nose. We were certainly going places under him.
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Defo itely had Villa in his blood while he skulked at the Noses.
And when he was interested in buying the Dingles.
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You don't have to think Lerner was a buffoon by praising Doug, who was an abysmal owner.
Defo itely had Villa in his blood while he skulked at the Noses.
As for better place, maybe we could have had another 10 years of Pug Nose. We were certainly going places under him.
He knew how to run a football club.
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You don't have to think Lerner was a buffoon by praising Doug, who was an abysmal owner.
Defo itely had Villa in his blood while he skulked at the Noses.
As for better place, maybe we could have had another 10 years of Pug Nose. We were certainly going places under him.
He knew how to run a football club.
For his personal benefit.
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You don't have to think Lerner was a buffoon by praising Doug, who was an abysmal owner.
Defo itely had Villa in his blood while he skulked at the Noses.
As for better place, maybe we could have had another 10 years of Pug Nose. We were certainly going places under him.
He knew how to run a football club.
For his personal benefit.
Winner winner.
Lerner got plenty of stick and all of it deserved. It's tinged with regret as he was well meaning and spent an absolute fortune in fucking it up. Still a big man baby idiot mind.
Ellis was in it for Ellis. Not a single penny did he ever put into the club and he took enough out and was a huge milestone for years.
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We need Tony to tweet again.
Please Tony. Save us from this madness! 😁
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You don't have to think Lerner was a buffoon by praising Doug, who was an abysmal owner.
Defo itely had Villa in his blood while he skulked at the Noses.
As for better place, maybe we could have had another 10 years of Pug Nose. We were certainly going places under him.
He knew how to run a football club.
For his personal benefit.
And there's the crux, we were mixing it with best, all be it not quite capable of upsetting the hierarchy, they were however, far better times.
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And, nobody congratulated me on becoming a 'trialist'.😞😉
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You don't have to think Lerner was a buffoon by praising Doug, who was an abysmal owner.
Definitely had Villa in his blood while he skulked at the Noses.
As for better place, maybe we could have had another 10 years of Pug Nose. We were certainly going places under him.
So What? Dennis Mortimer played for Small Heath, as did several other Villa legends. I don't see that ever been held against them.
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It's a job for a player. What was Doug "Villa in the blood" Ellis' excuse while he was doing the tour of the shit and small?
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It's a job for a player. What was Doug "Villa in the blood" Ellis' excuse while he was doing the tour of the shit and small?
It's a job for a director as well. God knows why you think it should be classed as anything different.
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Also, you can have a job and love it and the 'employer'. I know I do.
PLEASE tweet, Tony!
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It's a job for a player. What was Doug "Villa in the blood" Ellis' excuse while he was doing the tour of the shit and small?
It's a job for a director as well. God knows why you think it should be classed as anything different.
That's fair enough as an abstract proposition but Ads was responding to the suggestion that Deadly had 'Villa in the blood.'
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It's a job for a player. What was Doug "Villa in the blood" Ellis' excuse while he was doing the tour of the shit and small?
I don't give a monkeys fuck, we were a far more professionally run club under Deadly than anything that has followed. True?
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I'm not saying the fool had Villa in the blood am I. That's some nonsense right there.
Mortimer didn't have Villa in the blood. He was a professional. Ellis is ridiculously being lauded as if he were one of us. I wouldn't play for the Noses, I have Villa in the blood.
I thought the point was obvious, god knows why you'd think otherwise.
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It's a job for a player. What was Doug "Villa in the blood" Ellis' excuse while he was doing the tour of the shit and small?
I don't give a monkeys fuck, we were a far more professionally run club under Deadly than anything that has followed. True?
Possibly, but it's an achievement of 'the Netherlands' highest mountain' nature i.e hardly saying much.
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It's a job for a player. What was Doug "Villa in the blood" Ellis' excuse while he was doing the tour of the shit and small?
I don't give a monkeys fuck, we were a far more professionally run club under Deadly than anything that has followed. True?
Is this Gregg Nash? Some spectacular goal post shifting. Let's move through the nonsense step by step.
Ellis was only "professional" enough to realise Steve Stride new a hell of a lot more about football administration than he would ever hope to. Pity the years of working under the pocket lining milstone sent him into retirement.
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It's a job for a player. What was Doug "Villa in the blood" Ellis' excuse while he was doing the tour of the shit and small?
I don't give a monkeys fuck, we were a far more professionally run club under Deadly than anything that has followed. True?
Well said, but there's some who'll forever spit venom at anything Ellis related but go easy on the man who quite frankly turned Villa into a genuine laughing stock then ran away.
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It's a job for a player. What was Doug "Villa in the blood" Ellis' excuse while he was doing the tour of the shit and small?
I don't give a monkeys fuck, we were a far more professionally run club under Deadly than anything that has followed. True?
Possibly, but it's an achievement of 'the Netherlands' highest mountain' nature i.e hardly saying much.
Of course you're right. We had nothing but misery in all the years Ellis was in charge.
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It's a job for a player. What was Doug "Villa in the blood" Ellis' excuse while he was doing the tour of the shit and small?
I don't give a monkeys fuck, we were a far more professionally run club under Deadly than anything that has followed. True?
Is this Gregg Nash? Some spectacular goal post shifting. Let's move through the nonsense step by step.
Ellis was only "professional" enough to realise Steve Stride new a hell of a lot more about football administration than he would ever hope to. Pity the years of working under the pocket lining milstone sent him into retirement.
Ellis knew precious little about football administration? Blimey.
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Crikey. You're so blinkered by your Lerner hatred that you're re-writing history.
The man who dismantled the best side in Europe out of spite, took us down and then was so corner shop the league slowly passed us by.
Our success was down to Taylor, Atikinson and Little, all of whom would have had a better opportunity to take us further had it not been for Ellis.
I said Stride knew a huge amount and implied we'd have benefitted hugely from him with Lerner's money. I've not said what you've blimied at all. So put your straw man away.
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It's a job for a player. What was Doug "Villa in the blood" Ellis' excuse while he was doing the tour of the shit and small?
I don't give a monkeys fuck, we were a far more professionally run club under Deadly than anything that has followed. True?
Well said, but there's some who'll forever spit venom at anything Ellis related but go easy on the man who quite frankly turned Villa into a genuine laughing stock then ran away.
Oh turn it in. At Doncaster were you getting twatted by them? At Highbury being embarrassed were you singing "we're just an honest bunch of lads". Praying over whether we could sign Eric Bakke long term? Or have you just forgot?
Everything about the final days of Ellis smacked of the Lambert times.
The only thing that is incredible is the absence of any objectivity. Lerner was a moron who put his hand in his pocket. Ellis was a moron who put his hand in ours.
Neither were good for the club. One will likely go to his grave regretting that. The other will live forever.
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Crikey. You're so blinkered by your Lerner hatred that you're re-writing history.
The man who dismantled the best side in Europe out of spite, took us down and then was so corner shop the league slowly passed us by.
Our success was down to Taylor, Atikinson and Little, all of whom would have had a better opportunity to take us further had it not been for Ellis.
I said Stride knew a huge amount and implied we'd have benefitted hugely from him with Lerner's money. I've not said what you've blimied at all. So put your straw man away.
Explain how you think paragraph two is true? And 1 and 3 for that matter.
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Also, you can have a job and love it and the 'employer'. I know I do.
Come and work for my firm! We soon cure that kind of attitude!
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Crikey. You're so blinkered by your Lerner hatred that you're re-writing history.
The man who dismantled the best side in Europe out of spite, took us down and then was so corner shop the league slowly passed us by.
Our success was down to Taylor, Atikinson and Little, all of whom would have had a better opportunity to take us further had it not been for Ellis.
I said Stride knew a huge amount and implied we'd have benefitted hugely from him with Lerner's money. I've not said what you've blimied at all. So put your straw man away.
Explain how you think paragraph two is true? And 1 and 3 for that matter.
I was talking to SH specifically but you've dumbfounded me there, unless you're asking as if alien to all that has occurred.
Res ipsa loquitur is my pleadings. I'd get summary judgment too. What say ye Richard?
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Definitely. Indemnity costs too.
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It's a job for a player. What was Doug "Villa in the blood" Ellis' excuse while he was doing the tour of the shit and small?
I don't give a monkeys fuck, we were a far more professionally run club under Deadly than anything that has followed. True?
Well said, but there's some who'll forever spit venom at anything Ellis related but go easy on the man who quite frankly turned Villa into a genuine laughing stock then ran away.
Oh turn it in. At Doncaster were you getting twatted by them? At Highbury being embarrassed were you singing "we're just an honest bunch of lads". Praying over whether we could sign Eric Bakke long term? Or have you just forgot?
Everything about the final days of Ellis smacked of the Lambert times.
The only thing that is incredible is the absence of any objectivity. Lerner was a moron who put his hand in his pocket. Ellis was a moron who put his hand in ours.
Neither were good for the club. One will likely go to his grave regretting that. The other will live forever.
Oh please, you're being laughable! Trying to compare the last days of an ageing Ellis era to what happened under the biggest moron ever to run a football club is quite desperate. Lerner gave us one of the worst teams ever seen in the top division of English football and humiliated this club left right and centre, where as Ellis didn't. I think deep down your defence of Lerner comes from the fact that it took you years to realise you got it totally wrong about the man.
How many years did you defend him before you realised how wrong you were, was it the very last season, or the one before? I can't quite remember.
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Definitely. Indemnity costs too.
A personal costs order too. Then a lien on his house when he doesn't cough up in 21 days.
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Am I allowed to think Ellis and Lerner were both sodding useless? It's not either/or.
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Crikey. You're so blinkered by your Lerner hatred that you're re-writing history.
The man who dismantled the best side in Europe out of spite, took us down and then was so corner shop the league slowly passed us by.
Our success was down to Taylor, Atikinson and Little, all of whom would have had a better opportunity to take us further had it not been for Ellis.
I said Stride knew a huge amount and implied we'd have benefitted hugely from him with Lerner's money. I've not said what you've blimied at all. So put your straw man away.
Explain how you think paragraph two is true? And 1 and 3 for that matter.
I was talking to SH specifically but you've dumbfounded me there, unless you're asking as if alien to all that has occurred.
Res ipsa loquitur is my pleadings. I'd get summary judgment too. What say ye Richard?
Paragraph 2, Doug recruitments,
Paragraph 1 , spite, I doubt it very much.
Paragraph 3 , pass.
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Am I allowed to think Ellis and Lerner were both sodding useless? It's not either/or.
Of course you are. You can't fool us into believing that Ellis turned us into a laughing stock and destroyed our PL infrastructure though, because that was the other prat.
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Who is saying that?
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It's a job for a player. What was Doug "Villa in the blood" Ellis' excuse while he was doing the tour of the shit and small?
I don't give a monkeys fuck, we were a far more professionally run club under Deadly than anything that has followed. True?
Well said, but there's some who'll forever spit venom at anything Ellis related but go easy on the man who quite frankly turned Villa into a genuine laughing stock then ran away.
Why is it ok to 'spit venom' at Lerner but not at Doug? Hardly fair really. I'm almost beginning to think Doug never got us relegated.
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Am I allowed to think Ellis and Lerner were both sodding useless? It's not either/or.
I'm amazed at how long it's taken for somebody to post this!
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It's a job for a player. What was Doug "Villa in the blood" Ellis' excuse while he was doing the tour of the shit and small?
I don't give a monkeys fuck, we were a far more professionally run club under Deadly than anything that has followed. True?
Well said, but there's some who'll forever spit venom at anything Ellis related but go easy on the man who quite frankly turned Villa into a genuine laughing stock then ran away.
Why is it ok to 'spit venom' at Lerner but not at Doug? Hardly fair really. I'm almost beginning to think Doug never got us relegated.
You can do what you like but one thing you won't be able to do is to try and compare what Lerner did to this club to what Ellis did. We were relegated under Ellis but bounced straight back. He certainly didn't turn this club into a national laughing stock and smash every unwanted record in the meantime. Unless he did and I missed it?
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It's a job for a player. What was Doug "Villa in the blood" Ellis' excuse while he was doing the tour of the shit and small?
I don't give a monkeys fuck, we were a far more professionally run club under Deadly than anything that has followed. True?
Well said, but there's some who'll forever spit venom at anything Ellis related but go easy on the man who quite frankly turned Villa into a genuine laughing stock then ran away.
Why is it ok to 'spit venom' at Lerner but not at Doug? Hardly fair really. I'm almost beginning to think Doug never got us relegated.
That was just a blip with a shit manager.
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It's a job for a player. What was Doug "Villa in the blood" Ellis' excuse while he was doing the tour of the shit and small?
I don't give a monkeys fuck, we were a far more professionally run club under Deadly than anything that has followed. True?
Well said, but there's some who'll forever spit venom at anything Ellis related but go easy on the man who quite frankly turned Villa into a genuine laughing stock then ran away.
Why is it ok to 'spit venom' at Lerner but not at Doug? Hardly fair really. I'm almost beginning to think Doug never got us relegated.
That was just a blip with a shit manager.
Which shit manager out of the two do you mean?
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Like Richard said, it's possible to dislike both.
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It's a job for a player. What was Doug "Villa in the blood" Ellis' excuse while he was doing the tour of the shit and small?
I don't give a monkeys fuck, we were a far more professionally run club under Deadly than anything that has followed. True?
Well said, but there's some who'll forever spit venom at anything Ellis related but go easy on the man who quite frankly turned Villa into a genuine laughing stock then ran away.
Why is it ok to 'spit venom' at Lerner but not at Doug? Hardly fair really. I'm almost beginning to think Doug never got us relegated.
That was just a blip with a shit manager.
It's not like we were perennial relegation strugglers under Ellis, something you can't say about Lerner. In fact for most of the time when we had a bad season we'd bounce back and follow it up with a decent one. With Lerner it was abject misery from 2010 onwards. Humiliating stuff.
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It's a job for a player. What was Doug "Villa in the blood" Ellis' excuse while he was doing the tour of the shit and small?
I don't give a monkeys fuck, we were a far more professionally run club under Deadly than anything that has followed. True?
Well said, but there's some who'll forever spit venom at anything Ellis related but go easy on the man who quite frankly turned Villa into a genuine laughing stock then ran away.
Why is it ok to 'spit venom' at Lerner but not at Doug? Hardly fair really. I'm almost beginning to think Doug never got us relegated.
That was just a blip with a shit manager.
Which shit manager out of the two do you mean?
You choose,one was far worse than the other.
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It's a job for a player. What was Doug "Villa in the blood" Ellis' excuse while he was doing the tour of the shit and small?
I don't give a monkeys fuck, we were a far more professionally run club under Deadly than anything that has followed. True?
Well said, but there's some who'll forever spit venom at anything Ellis related but go easy on the man who quite frankly turned Villa into a genuine laughing stock then ran away.
Why is it ok to 'spit venom' at Lerner but not at Doug? Hardly fair really. I'm almost beginning to think Doug never got us relegated.
That was just a blip with a shit manager.
Which shit manager out of the two do you mean?
You choose,one was far worse than the other.
No, you choose. You said 'shit manager'.
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I always thought Graham Turner was when the real damage was done to the team. McNeil was just not up to turning it around.
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It's a job for a player. What was Doug "Villa in the blood" Ellis' excuse while he was doing the tour of the shit and small?
I don't give a monkeys fuck, we were a far more professionally run club under Deadly than anything that has followed. True?
Well said, but there's some who'll forever spit venom at anything Ellis related but go easy on the man who quite frankly turned Villa into a genuine laughing stock then ran away.
Why is it ok to 'spit venom' at Lerner but not at Doug? Hardly fair really. I'm almost beginning to think Doug never got us relegated.
That was just a blip with a shit manager.
Which shit manager out of the two do you mean?
You choose,one was far worse than the other.
No, you choose. You said 'shit manager'.
Is McLeish the answer you're looking for?
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Ellis v. Lerner
That sounds like an interesting thread.
Anyone seen the Tony's Tweets thread ?
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People still defending Lerner, despite everything.
Unbelievable.
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It's a job for a player. What was Doug "Villa in the blood" Ellis' excuse while he was doing the tour of the shit and small?
I don't give a monkeys fuck, we were a far more professionally run club under Deadly than anything that has followed. True?
Well said, but there's some who'll forever spit venom at anything Ellis related but go easy on the man who quite frankly turned Villa into a genuine laughing stock then ran away.
Why is it ok to 'spit venom' at Lerner but not at Doug? Hardly fair really. I'm almost beginning to think Doug never got us relegated.
That was just a blip with a shit manager.
Which shit manager out of the two do you mean?
You choose,one was far worse than the other.
No, you choose. You said 'shit manager'.
Is McLeish the answer you're looking for?
In the mid to late 80's? No, I don't think so.
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People still defending Lerner, despite everything.
Unbelievable.
Where is anyone defending Lerner?
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I wish saunders_heroes could meet Randy face to face and just get all his disgust for him out in one go. No holding back.
Randy seems a gentle sort, good listener etc.
Then we can have an amnesty on any of saunders' posts mentioning Randolph. Healthier all-round.
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I wish saunders_heroes could meet Randy face to face and just get all his disgust for him out in one go. No holding back.
Randy seems a gentle sort, good listener etc.
Then we can have an amnesty on any of saunders' posts mentioning Randolph. Healthier all-round.
Oh yes, he has a good heart, bless him, he's just misunderstood.
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I wish saunders_heroes could meet Randy face to face and just get all his disgust for him out in one go. No holding back.
Randy seems a gentle sort, good listener etc.
Then we can have an amnesty on any of saunders' posts mentioning Randolph. Healthier all-round.
Oh yes, he has a good heart, bless him, he's just misunderstood.
The same could be said about Lerner. ;)
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I wish saunders_heroes could meet Randy face to face and just get all his disgust for him out in one go. No holding back.
Randy seems a gentle sort, good listener etc.
Then we can have an amnesty on any of saunders' posts mentioning Randolph. Healthier all-round.
Oh yes, he has a good heart, bless him, he's just misunderstood.
The same could be said about Lerner. ;)
How dare you! ;-)
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It's a job for a player. What was Doug "Villa in the blood" Ellis' excuse while he was doing the tour of the shit and small?
I don't give a monkeys fuck, we were a far more professionally run club under Deadly than anything that has followed. True?
Well said, but there's some who'll forever spit venom at anything Ellis related but go easy on the man who quite frankly turned Villa into a genuine laughing stock then ran away.
Why is it ok to 'spit venom' at Lerner but not at Doug? Hardly fair really. I'm almost beginning to think Doug never got us relegated.
You can do what you like but one thing you won't be able to do is to try and compare what Lerner did to this club to what Ellis did. We were relegated under Ellis but bounced straight back. He certainly didn't turn this club into a national laughing stock and smash every unwanted record in the meantime. Unless he did and I missed it?
No, all he did was dismantle the side that won the League and European Cup (when he wasn't around) and systematically see us wither over the course of 5 years to relegation.
Which was the bigger fall from grace?
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It's a job for a player. What was Doug "Villa in the blood" Ellis' excuse while he was doing the tour of the shit and small?
I don't give a monkeys fuck, we were a far more professionally run club under Deadly than anything that has followed. True?
Well said, but there's some who'll forever spit venom at anything Ellis related but go easy on the man who quite frankly turned Villa into a genuine laughing stock then ran away.
Why is it ok to 'spit venom' at Lerner but not at Doug? Hardly fair really. I'm almost beginning to think Doug never got us relegated.
You can do what you like but one thing you won't be able to do is to try and compare what Lerner did to this club to what Ellis did. We were relegated under Ellis but bounced straight back. He certainly didn't turn this club into a national laughing stock and smash every unwanted record in the meantime. Unless he did and I missed it?
No, all he did was dismantle the side that won the League and European Cup (when he wasn't around) and systematically see us wither over the course of 5 years to relegation.
Which was the bigger fall from grace?
Which was the most humiliating and which is the one the club still hasn't recovered from?
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Come now, we had two shit owners in succession. Like Tolstoy's unhappy families, they were both shit in their own way, but they were shit nevertheless. As for the current owner, the jury is very much still out.
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I think the fall from grace under Ellis was worse. Going from where we were to what we become in 4 years was one almighty fuck up.
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It's a job for a player. What was Doug "Villa in the blood" Ellis' excuse while he was doing the tour of the shit and small?
I don't give a monkeys fuck, we were a far more professionally run club under Deadly than anything that has followed. True?
Well said, but there's some who'll forever spit venom at anything Ellis related but go easy on the man who quite frankly turned Villa into a genuine laughing stock then ran away.
Why is it ok to 'spit venom' at Lerner but not at Doug? Hardly fair really. I'm almost beginning to think Doug never got us relegated.
You can do what you like but one thing you won't be able to do is to try and compare what Lerner did to this club to what Ellis did. We were relegated under Ellis but bounced straight back. He certainly didn't turn this club into a national laughing stock and smash every unwanted record in the meantime. Unless he did and I missed it?
No, all he did was dismantle the side that won the League and European Cup (when he wasn't around) and systematically see us wither over the course of 5 years to relegation.
Which was the bigger fall from grace?
Which was the most humiliating and which is the one the club still hasn't recovered from?
From European Cup winners to relegation? Versus an ongoing shambles? What about dropping to the third division? Was that not worse? I know the Lerner stuff is more recent memory and therefore the pain is fresher, but really?
As for not having recovered, I guess our next trophy under Ellis' relegation was in 1994, five years later, we'll never know with Lerner as he left. That was the first Wembley appearance too. Under Lerner we did at least get to the FA Cup Final (dismal as it was).
You could argue that Lerner tried to respect the history of the club. He tried to get it right and tried to make it about the club and spent a lot of money doing it (badly). Would you say the same about Ellis?
At the end of the day though, it's all about who was pissing into the strongest wind isn't it?
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They were both utterly shit and humiliating and the result of piss poor ownership. Who gives a shite if one was a bit more humiliating than the other.
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Why the shite are people talking about Ellis "getting us up"? He wasn't the bloody manager. I am not going to apologise for how badly Lerner got things wrong but the rewriting of history about the marvellous times we had under the travel agent defies belief. For the Tony Barton thing alone he deserves nothing but scorn and a grudge that will never be forgotten.
There is a bloke who looks remarkably like Doctor Tony stood outside Milano restaurant at the moment.
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I have to say the fall from grace from a European conquering team to relegation in five years takes some beating. If it wasn't for Graham Taylor we would have quite easily done what Wolves done.
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Why the shite are people talking about Ellis "getting us up"? He wasn't the bloody manager. I am not going to apologise for how badly Lerner got things wrong but the rewriting of history about the marvellous times we had under the travel agent defies belief. For the Tony Barton thing alone he deserves nothing but scorn and a grudge that will never be forgotten.
There is a bloke who looks remarkably like Doctor Tony stood outside Milano restaurant at the moment.
So Ellis can take the blame for us going down, but not the credit for getting us up 1st time of asking?
He can take the blame for Turner et al, but not the credit for Taylor, Big Ron, or Little?
I know that's a common theme on here, when it comes to Ellis, but someone is going to have to explain that one to me, as it doesn't seem quite right. In fact, it seems a little idiotic.
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Ellis wins hands down. He came back to a club hugely fortunate that was Kings of Europe. It takes a massive kind of shit at what you do to get that side relegated in 5 years. What happened after and any successes subsequently should never diminish that. It's like saying Lerner should been allowed to bring us back up and reducing the 2010-2016 era to a few pages in history to be rebated over how bad it was.
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I have to say the fall from grace from a European conquering team to relegation in five years takes some beating. If it wasn't for Graham Taylor we would have quite easily done what Wolves done.
Man Utd managed it in a similar amount of time before us. If it's good enough for them....
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I suppose going back 30 odd years saves us from having to face the shit we were in right now.
Scant consolation though.
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Why the shite are people talking about Ellis "getting us up"? He wasn't the bloody manager. I am not going to apologise for how badly Lerner got things wrong but the rewriting of history about the marvellous times we had under the travel agent defies belief. For the Tony Barton thing alone he deserves nothing but scorn and a grudge that will never be forgotten.
There is a bloke who looks remarkably like Doctor Tony stood outside Milano restaurant at the moment.
So Ellis can take the blame for us going down, but not the credit for getting us up 1st time of asking?
He can take the blame for Turner et al, but not the credit for Taylor, Big Ron, or Little?
I know that's a common theme on here, when it comes to Ellis, but someone is going to have to explain that one to me, as it doesn't seem quite right. In fact, it seems a little idiotic.
Idiotic? Fuck off. You seem to want both sides of the argument rather than me (that is the royal you to include arch apologist SH).
Where on earth have I suggested he ought to take the blame for the failings of one manager and not the successes of another? That's right, I didn't.
You can't throw in bullshit like "he got us back first time round" when the other bloke didn't have the chance to because he sold us (and years too late I might add). That is comparing apples and oranges.
Let's put this simply. Herbert should take little credit for the Taylor appointment. He was lucky enough that Taylor decided to appoint himself. The credit to Ellis there is in keeping the fuck out of his way whilst he fixed it. And that was against the back drop of fans wanting his head on a stick.
His contacts within the game to keep us relevant after our return were to be applauded. His missing the boat when the new money he was bloody involved with organising hitting the game. Well that was criminal.
By the end of his tenure we were charging staff for a cup of tea and couldn't find a tenner down the back of the sofa for a useless cock like Bakke. He was an old shit who was miles out of his time but didn't want to give in because he liked to feel important and it got him out of the house.
And I come back again to Tony Barton. The supercilious old ******.
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And for anyone that still thinks appointing SGT was an Ellis masterstroke should read the Steve Stride book. Even he admits SGT chose us and was hand delivered on a plate to the club.
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I'd really like to see a back office structure chart for us in the last few years under Ellis and compare it to clubs like Tottenham and Everton. From everything I've heard and seen I reckon ours would've been embarrassing in contrast. I think a big part of the problem when Stride left during the takeover was the he was pretty much running the club on his own so all the senior management knowledge in the club was lost in 1 go.
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And whilst we are on the topic, here is a measure of Herbert. I ended up on his table at a charity event just before he was awarded his much wanted gong from Her Maj.
I tried to be fair and let mt simmering irritation just ride. One exchange was very pertinent though.
He had spent an age telling everyone on the table why he was massively important so I thought it best to turn it back round to the charity (an auction was coming up and he got very wealthy on Villa's money).
Anyway, my offer of "tell us why this charity means a lot to you, Doug" line was met "I have always loved X charity. I have supported them from the outset". Good, but immediately followed by ten minutes of "did you know I was the first person to make a ten figure donation"? And "I actually believe I have donated more to them than any other private individual". And then spent fucking ages listing how much he had passed their way, year on year, for about 15 years. Just in case I was worth a few bob, "How much money have you donated to them"?
That was where I left fuming and the conversation ended. I was there as an ambassador for our company who had raised a few quid for said charity.
It is still, as it always has been, about Doug and for Doug. Whether on lining his pockets or massaging his ego.
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I have to say the fall from grace from a European conquering team to relegation in five years takes some beating. If it wasn't for Graham Taylor we would have quite easily done what Wolves done.
Man Utd managed it in a similar amount of time before us. If it's good enough for them....
I'm not talking about them and couldn't give a toss about that lot, it's a monumental cock up.
For me, I was too young to enjoy the glory years of that squad, but instead I grew up witnessing the demise of it and then being absolutely devastated with relegation.
It probably does don't hurt so much this time round due to my age and my own family being the forefront of my life.
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I'd really like to see a back office structure chart for us in the last few years under Ellis and compare it to clubs like Tottenham and Everton. From everything I've heard and seen I reckon ours would've been embarrassing in contrast. I think a big part of the problem when Stride left during the takeover was the he was pretty much running the club on his own so all the senior management knowledge in the club was lost in 1 go.
You mean when our board was essentially his best mate, his doctor and his solicitor?
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Why the shite are people talking about Ellis "getting us up"? He wasn't the bloody manager. I am not going to apologise for how badly Lerner got things wrong but the rewriting of history about the marvellous times we had under the travel agent defies belief. For the Tony Barton thing alone he deserves nothing but scorn and a grudge that will never be forgotten.
There is a bloke who looks remarkably like Doctor Tony stood outside Milano restaurant at the moment.
So Ellis can take the blame for us going down, but not the credit for getting us up 1st time of asking?
He can take the blame for Turner et al, but not the credit for Taylor, Big Ron, or Little?
I know that's a common theme on here, when it comes to Ellis, but someone is going to have to explain that one to me, as it doesn't seem quite right. In fact, it seems a little idiotic.
Idiotic? Fuck off. You seem to want both sides of the argument rather than me (that is the royal you to include arch apologist SH).
Where on earth have I suggested he ought to take the blame for the failings of one manager and not the successes of another? That's right, I didn't.
You can't throw in bullshit like "he got us back first time round" when the other bloke didn't have the chance to because he sold us (and years too late I might add). That is comparing apples and oranges.
Let's put this simply. Herbert should take little credit for the Taylor appointment. He was lucky enough that Taylor decided to appoint himself. The credit to Ellis there is in keeping the fuck out of his way whilst he fixed it. And that was against the back drop of fans wanting his head on a stick.
His contacts within the game to keep us relevant after our return were to be applauded. His missing the boat when the new money he was bloody involved with organising hitting the game. Well that was criminal.
By the end of his tenure we were charging staff for a cup of tea and couldn't find a tenner down the back of the sofa for a useless cock like Bakke. He was an old shit who was miles out of his time but didn't want to give in because he liked to feel important and it got him out of the house.
And I come back again to Tony Barton. The supercilious old c***.
Well said good sir.
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Ellis wins hands down. He came back to a club hugely fortunate that was Kings of Europe. It takes a massive kind of shit at what you do to get that side relegated in 5 years. What happened after and any successes subsequently should never diminish that. It's like saying Lerner should been allowed to bring us back up and reducing the 2010-2016 era to a few pages in history to be rebated over how bad it was.
What a load of old cobblers!
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I'd really like to see a back office structure chart for us in the last few years under Ellis and compare it to clubs like Tottenham and Everton. From everything I've heard and seen I reckon ours would've been embarrassing in contrast. I think a big part of the problem when Stride left during the takeover was the he was pretty much running the club on his own so all the senior management knowledge in the club was lost in 1 go.
You mean when our board was essentially his best mate, his doctor and his solicitor?
Pretty much, that's why I have a big problem with Ellis, He got away with running us like a lower league club for the last 4-5 years because Stride managed to keep us afloat but we were on the brink of a collapse just as bad as the current one when he sold up.
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Why the shite are people talking about Ellis "getting us up"? He wasn't the bloody manager. I am not going to apologise for how badly Lerner got things wrong but the rewriting of history about the marvellous times we had under the travel agent defies belief. For the Tony Barton thing alone he deserves nothing but scorn and a grudge that will never be forgotten.
There is a bloke who looks remarkably like Doctor Tony stood outside Milano restaurant at the moment.
Ah. So the manager took us down, and not Ellis?
I think I understand you now.
No need for the " fuck offs" though. You'll have the mods on your case.
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Why the shite are people talking about Ellis "getting us up"? He wasn't the bloody manager. I am not going to apologise for how badly Lerner got things wrong but the rewriting of history about the marvellous times we had under the travel agent defies belief. For the Tony Barton thing alone he deserves nothing but scorn and a grudge that will never be forgotten.
There is a bloke who looks remarkably like Doctor Tony stood outside Milano restaurant at the moment.
So Ellis can take the blame for us going down, but not the credit for getting us up 1st time of asking?
He can take the blame for Turner et al, but not the credit for Taylor, Big Ron, or Little?
I know that's a common theme on here, when it comes to Ellis, but someone is going to have to explain that one to me, as it doesn't seem quite right. In fact, it seems a little idiotic.
Idiotic? Fuck off. You seem to want both sides of the argument rather than me (that is the royal you to include arch apologist SH).
Where on earth have I suggested he ought to take the blame for the failings of one manager and not the successes of another? That's right, I didn't.
You can't throw in bullshit like "he got us back first time round" when the other bloke didn't have the chance to because he sold us (and years too late I might add). That is comparing apples and oranges.
Let's put this simply. Herbert should take little credit for the Taylor appointment. He was lucky enough that Taylor decided to appoint himself. The credit to Ellis there is in keeping the fuck out of his way whilst he fixed it. And that was against the back drop of fans wanting his head on a stick.
His contacts within the game to keep us relevant after our return were to be applauded. His missing the boat when the new money he was bloody involved with organising hitting the game. Well that was criminal.
By the end of his tenure we were charging staff for a cup of tea and couldn't find a tenner down the back of the sofa for a useless cock like Bakke. He was an old shit who was miles out of his time but didn't want to give in because he liked to feel important and it got him out of the house.
And I come back again to Tony Barton. The supercilious old c***.
Well said good sir.
Indeed, all of this and much, much more.
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Downing is still a c#nt as well.
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Ellis wins hands down. He came back to a club hugely fortunate that was Kings of Europe. It takes a massive kind of shit at what you do to get that side relegated in 5 years. What happened after and any successes subsequently should never diminish that. It's like saying Lerner should been allowed to bring us back up and reducing the 2010-2016 era to a few pages in history to be rebated over how bad it was.
What a load of old cobblers!
Fancy responding to the rest? Or are you just going to continue with your position?
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Ellis wins hands down. He came back to a club hugely fortunate that was Kings of Europe. It takes a massive kind of shit at what you do to get that side relegated in 5 years. What happened after and any successes subsequently should never diminish that. It's like saying Lerner should been allowed to bring us back up and reducing the 2010-2016 era to a few pages in history to be rebated over how bad it was.
What a load of old cobblers!
Fancy responding to the rest? Or are you just going to continue with your position?
Doubt you'll see Randy wrapped in a blanket, in the Trinity, in Winter, any time soon.
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Ellis wins hands down. He came back to a club hugely fortunate that was Kings of Europe. It takes a massive kind of shit at what you do to get that side relegated in 5 years. What happened after and any successes subsequently should never diminish that. It's like saying Lerner should been allowed to bring us back up and reducing the 2010-2016 era to a few pages in history to be rebated over how bad it was.
What a load of old cobblers!
Fancy responding to the rest? Or are you just going to continue with your position?
Doubt you'll see Randy rapped in a blanket, in the Trinity, in Winter, any time soon.
Give me the money Ellis made out of the Villa and I'd sit there stark naked.
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Ellis wins hands down. He came back to a club hugely fortunate that was Kings of Europe. It takes a massive kind of shit at what you do to get that side relegated in 5 years. What happened after and any successes subsequently should never diminish that. It's like saying Lerner should been allowed to bring us back up and reducing the 2010-2016 era to a few pages in history to be rebated over how bad it was.
What a load of old cobblers!
Fancy responding to the rest? Or are you just going to continue with your position?
I've said everything I want to say. Nothing Ellis did at Villa compares to the crap we were put through since 2010, absolutely nothing.
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Ellis wins hands down. He came back to a club hugely fortunate that was Kings of Europe. It takes a massive kind of shit at what you do to get that side relegated in 5 years. What happened after and any successes subsequently should never diminish that. It's like saying Lerner should been allowed to bring us back up and reducing the 2010-2016 era to a few pages in history to be rebated over how bad it was.
What a load of old cobblers!
Fancy responding to the rest? Or are you just going to continue with your position?
Doubt you'll see Randy rapped in a blanket, in the Trinity, in Winter, any time soon.
Give me the money Ellis made out of the Villa and I'd sit there stark naked.
Why, if he doesn't love "The Villa" does he keep turning up?
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Ellis wins hands down. He came back to a club hugely fortunate that was Kings of Europe. It takes a massive kind of shit at what you do to get that side relegated in 5 years. What happened after and any successes subsequently should never diminish that. It's like saying Lerner should been allowed to bring us back up and reducing the 2010-2016 era to a few pages in history to be rebated over how bad it was.
What a load of old cobblers!
Fancy responding to the rest? Or are you just going to continue with your position?
Doubt you'll see Randy rapped in a blanket, in the Trinity, in Winter, any time soon.
Give me the money Ellis made out of the Villa and I'd sit there stark naked.
Why, if he doesn't love "The Villa" does he keep turning up?
Because there's nowhere else in the world where he is well-known.
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Ellis wins hands down. He came back to a club hugely fortunate that was Kings of Europe. It takes a massive kind of shit at what you do to get that side relegated in 5 years. What happened after and any successes subsequently should never diminish that. It's like saying Lerner should been allowed to bring us back up and reducing the 2010-2016 era to a few pages in history to be rebated over how bad it was.
What a load of old cobblers!
Fancy responding to the rest? Or are you just going to continue with your position?
Doubt you'll see Randy rapped in a blanket, in the Trinity, in Winter, any time soon.
Give me the money Ellis made out of the Villa and I'd sit there stark naked.
Why, if he doesn't love "The Villa" does he keep turning up?
Because there's nowhere else in the world where he is well-known.
Bang on.
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Ellis wins hands down. He came back to a club hugely fortunate that was Kings of Europe. It takes a massive kind of shit at what you do to get that side relegated in 5 years. What happened after and any successes subsequently should never diminish that. It's like saying Lerner should been allowed to bring us back up and reducing the 2010-2016 era to a few pages in history to be rebated over how bad it was.
What a load of old cobblers!
Fancy responding to the rest? Or are you just going to continue with your position?
Doubt you'll see Randy rapped in a blanket, in the Trinity, in Winter, any time soon.
Give me the money Ellis made out of the Villa and I'd sit there stark naked.
Why, if he doesn't love "The Villa" does he keep turning up?
Because he's got no friends or anything else to do, apparently.
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Doug still goes and at his age, he doesn't have to. Maybe he goes to remind everyone he used to run the place (and I'm sure he does) but it's harmless none the less.
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Why the shite are people talking about Ellis "getting us up"? He wasn't the bloody manager. I am not going to apologise for how badly Lerner got things wrong but the rewriting of history about the marvellous times we had under the travel agent defies belief. For the Tony Barton thing alone he deserves nothing but scorn and a grudge that will never be forgotten.
There is a bloke who looks remarkably like Doctor Tony stood outside Milano restaurant at the moment.
Ah. So the manager took us down, and not Ellis?
I think I understand you now.
No need for the " fuck offs" though. You'll have the mods on your case.
I won't.
And I have absolutely no idea what on earth that post and quotation is aimed at.
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Personally, I consider treating the manager of the greatest ever moment in our history like shit, and then treating his widow and family like shit is worse. Lerner fucked up spectacularly and was ultimately a disaster, he never treated a great Villa man like shit though.
May also be worth thinking why Super Ron never visited VP under Ellis apart from the Barton game, and yet was back under Lerner. And why so many of the 80-82 side hate Ellis.
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Ellis wins hands down. He came back to a club hugely fortunate that was Kings of Europe. It takes a massive kind of shit at what you do to get that side relegated in 5 years. What happened after and any successes subsequently should never diminish that. It's like saying Lerner should been allowed to bring us back up and reducing the 2010-2016 era to a few pages in history to be rebated over how bad it was.
What a load of old cobblers!
Fancy responding to the rest? Or are you just going to continue with your position?
Doubt you'll see Randy rapped in a blanket, in the Trinity, in Winter, any time soon.
Give me the money Ellis made out of the Villa and I'd sit there stark naked.
Why, if he doesn't love "The Villa" does he keep turning up?
Because there's nowhere else in the world where he is well-known.
Come on, that's what I would call clutching at straws, he obviously loves "The Villa", just like the majority on here.
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Long live President Emeritus😊
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Ellis wins hands down. He came back to a club hugely fortunate that was Kings of Europe. It takes a massive kind of shit at what you do to get that side relegated in 5 years. What happened after and any successes subsequently should never diminish that. It's like saying Lerner should been allowed to bring us back up and reducing the 2010-2016 era to a few pages in history to be rebated over how bad it was.
What a load of old cobblers!
Fancy responding to the rest? Or are you just going to continue with your position?
Doubt you'll see Randy rapped in a blanket, in the Trinity, in Winter, any time soon.
Give me the money Ellis made out of the Villa and I'd sit there stark naked.
Why, if he doesn't love "The Villa" does he keep turning up?
Because he's got no friends or anything else to do, apparently.
You really aren't too far off with that comment. I am sure after years of working he has developed an affinity with the place buy this "Mr Aston Villa, bleeds claret and blue" bollocks is just that
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You really aren't too far off with that comment. I am sure after years of working he has developed an affinity with the place buy this "Mr Aston Villa, bleeds claret and blue" bollocks is just that
That's my take on it. An affinity, yes. The only place where he feels wanted - it's not just me that says it. But as I've said before and I'll continue to say, the greatest trick Doug ever performed was to persuade many Villa supporters that he feels the same for the club as they do.
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Lerner fucked up spectacularly and was ultimately a disaster, he never treated a great Villa man like shit though.
I was once on the same table as Lerner and I said something very funny and he didn't laugh. I felt totally offended and as I am a great Villa man what do you have to say about that?
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You really aren't too far off with that comment. I am sure after years of working he has developed an affinity with the place buy this "Mr Aston Villa, bleeds claret and blue" bollocks is just that
That's my take on it. An affinity, yes. The only place where he feels wanted - it's not just me that says it. But as I've said before and I'll continue to say, the greatest trick Doug ever performed was to persuade many Villa supporters that he feels the same for the club as they do.
It's a very cynical view though. I mean how can you honestly say you can claim to know what one person loves or just pretends to love?
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Lerner fucked up spectacularly and was ultimately a disaster, he never treated a great Villa man like shit though.
I was once on the same table as Lerner and I said something very funny and he didn't laugh. I felt totally offended and as I am a great Villa man what do you have to say about that?
Knowing you it wasn't funny.
;D :P
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Ellis wins hands down. He came back to a club hugely fortunate that was Kings of Europe. It takes a massive kind of shit at what you do to get that side relegated in 5 years. What happened after and any successes subsequently should never diminish that. It's like saying Lerner should been allowed to bring us back up and reducing the 2010-2016 era to a few pages in history to be rebated over how bad it was.
What a load of old cobblers!
Fancy responding to the rest? Or are you just going to continue with your position?
Doubt you'll see Randy rapped in a blanket, in the Trinity, in Winter, any time soon.
Give me the money Ellis made out of the Villa and I'd sit there stark naked.
Why, if he doesn't love "The Villa" does he keep turning up?
Because there's nowhere else in the world where he is well-known.
In truth, a lot of the reason I go these days is for the people I share a common bond and love with. I don't think that's a bad thing.
If I'm well enough to go in my 90's, it will probably be the only reason. Particularly if the football gets any worse. 😁
Anyway. Off to my night shift soon. I'm going to leave this thread until Tony tweets something
interesting. 👍
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You really aren't too far off with that comment. I am sure after years of working he has developed an affinity with the place buy this "Mr Aston Villa, bleeds claret and blue" bollocks is just that
That's my take on it. An affinity, yes. The only place where he feels wanted - it's not just me that says it. But as I've said before and I'll continue to say, the greatest trick Doug ever performed was to persuade many Villa supporters that he feels the same for the club as they do.
It's a very cynical view though. I mean how can you honestly say you can claim to know what one person loves or just pretends to love?
If I'm wrong then so are a lot of others, many of whom know a lot more about him and the Villa than I could ever claim to know.
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Personally, I consider treating the manager of the greatest ever moment in our history like shit, and then treating his widow and family like shit is worse. Lerner fucked up spectacularly and was ultimately a disaster, he never treated a great Villa man like shit though.
May also be worth thinking why Super Ron never visited VP under Ellis apart from the Barton game, and yet was back under Lerner. And why so many of the 80-82 side hate Ellis.
He never treated a Villa man like shit. Well maybe you're right but he certainly treated Aston Villa like shit. 2010 onwards felt like shit that's for sure.
As for Saunders, didn't he actually refute the Ellis feud talk back in his interview with Pat Murphy before his return? And also I don't think he went to football games anywhere for years before that night if my memory serves me right.
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Lerner fucked up spectacularly and was ultimately a disaster, he never treated a great Villa man like shit though.
I was once on the same table as Lerner and I said something very funny and he didn't laugh. I felt totally offended and as I am a great Villa man what do you have to say about that?
Knowing you it wasn't funny.
;D :P
I could take it from Lerner but this from you really hurts😥
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There's no maybe about it, Lerner was shit but never deliberately shit on anyone, he was just incompetent. There's no maybe that Ellis treated Barton, and later his family, like shit and did it deliberately and with spite. There's no maybe how many of the 80-82 side hate Ellis.
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You really aren't too far off with that comment. I am sure after years of working he has developed an affinity with the place buy this "Mr Aston Villa, bleeds claret and blue" bollocks is just that
That's my take on it. An affinity, yes. The only place where he feels wanted - it's not just me that says it. But as I've said before and I'll continue to say, the greatest trick Doug ever performed was to persuade many Villa supporters that he feels the same for the club as they do.
It's a very cynical view though. I mean how can you honestly say you can claim to know what one person loves or just pretends to love?
If I'm wrong then so are a lot of others, many of whom know a lot more about him and the Villa than I could ever claim to know.
Just before I go to work.
A wise man once told me, "if you want to know the truth about a man don't ask his enemies."
He wasn't even Chinese! 😉
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There's no maybe about it, Lerner was shit but never deliberately shit on anyone, he was just incompetent. There's no maybe that Ellis treated Barton, and later his family, like shit and did it deliberately and with spite. There's no maybe how many of the 80-82 side hate Ellis.
There's no maybe,Doug, whatever happened or whatever we think, loves Aston Villa.
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If he does it makes what he did to the person responsible for the greatest moment in the history of Aston Villa even more disgraceful.
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If he does it makes what he did to the person responsible for the greatest moment in the history of Aston Villa even more disgraceful.
No one knows what goes on behind closed doors. I too love RS. and TB. Lifes shit sometimes.
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Plenty of people know what happened with the testimonial.
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Ellis wins hands down. He came back to a club hugely fortunate that was Kings of Europe. It takes a massive kind of shit at what you do to get that side relegated in 5 years. What happened after and any successes subsequently should never diminish that. It's like saying Lerner should been allowed to bring us back up and reducing the 2010-2016 era to a few pages in history to be rebated over how bad it was.
What a load of old cobblers!
Fancy responding to the rest? Or are you just going to continue with your position?
I've said everything I want to say. Nothing Ellis did at Villa compares to the crap we were put through since 2010, absolutely nothing.
I thought so, stick to your position, don't explain, don't reason, just keep shouting the same line.
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Plenty of people know what happened with the testimonial.
Correct. And to otherwise airbrush it from history is either ignoring the facts or a little idiotic....
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If he does it makes what he did to the person responsible for the greatest moment in the history of Aston Villa even more disgraceful.
No one knows what goes on behind closed doors. I too love RS. and TB. Lifes shit sometimes.
Indeed.
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Ellis wins hands down. He came back to a club hugely fortunate that was Kings of Europe. It takes a massive kind of shit at what you do to get that side relegated in 5 years. What happened after and any successes subsequently should never diminish that. It's like saying Lerner should been allowed to bring us back up and reducing the 2010-2016 era to a few pages in history to be rebated over how bad it was.
What a load of old cobblers!
Fancy responding to the rest? Or are you just going to continue with your position?
I've said everything I want to say. Nothing Ellis did at Villa compares to the crap we were put through since 2010, absolutely nothing.
I thought so, stick to your position, don't explain, don't reason, just keep shouting the same line.
The exact same could be said about you though. The facts are there. Humiliation like never before.
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If he does it makes what he did to the person responsible for the greatest moment in the history of Aston Villa even more disgraceful.
No one knows what goes on behind closed doors. I too love RS. and TB. Lifes shit sometimes.
Indeed.
Apart from plenty do know, and it's from independents that were at the testimonial, Rose Barton and things like that, so it's hardly guess work.
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The exact same could be said about you though. The facts are there. Humiliation like never before.
Difference is nearly everyone will say they were both shit. Both did some good things as well. You won't even condemn Ellis for his treatment of Tony and Rose Barton. So it's not the exact same at all.
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If he does it makes what he did to the person responsible for the greatest moment in the history of Aston Villa even more disgraceful.
No one knows what goes on behind closed doors. I too love RS. and TB. Lifes shit sometimes.
Indeed.
Apart from plenty do know, and it's from independents that were at the testimonial, Rose Barton and things like that, so it's hardly guess work.
I'm not doubting it at all. In fact I believe you!
I'd still take Doug Ellis over Randy Lerner every day of the week as chairman of Villa.
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The exact same could be said about you though. The facts are there. Humiliation like never before.
Difference is nearly everyone will say they were both shit. Both did some good things as well. You won't even condemn Ellis for his treatment of Tony and Rose Barton. So it's not the exact same at all.
You're not laying that one at my door. Just because I haven't spoke of Barton tonight doesn't mean I don't condemn what happened to him.
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Lerner took over with us having last won a trophy 10 years earlier. We had just finished 16th.
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The exact same could be said about you though. The facts are there. Humiliation like never before.
Difference is nearly everyone will say they were both shit. Both did some good things as well. You won't even condemn Ellis for his treatment of Tony and Rose Barton. So it's not the exact same at all.
You're not laying that one at my door. Just because I haven't spoke of Barton tonight doesn't mean I don't condemn what happened to him.
You at least agree that it was an absolute disgrace?
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Lerner took over with us having last won a trophy 10 years earlier. We had just finished 16th.
Yep. Remind me how many trophies we won with Lerner and the state and pride of the club when he left?
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The exact same could be said about you though. The facts are there. Humiliation like never before.
Difference is nearly everyone will say they were both shit. Both did some good things as well. You won't even condemn Ellis for his treatment of Tony and Rose Barton. So it's not the exact same at all.
You're not laying that one at my door. Just because I haven't spoke of Barton tonight doesn't mean I don't condemn what happened to him.
You at least agree that it was an absolute disgrace?
Yes! I've never said anything different. Doesn't make me believe he was as bad as Lerner was though.
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Yes! I've never said anything different. Doesn't make me believe he was as bad as Lerner was though.
You've never mentioned it before, but it's a start. Now - finishing below Halifax in the league. Good, or bad?
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The exact same could be said about you though. The facts are there. Humiliation like never before.
Difference is nearly everyone will say they were both shit. Both did some good things as well. You won't even condemn Ellis for his treatment of Tony and Rose Barton. So it's not the exact same at all.
You're not laying that one at my door. Just because I haven't spoke of Barton tonight doesn't mean I don't condemn what happened to him.
You at least agree that it was an absolute disgrace?
Yes! I've never said anything different. Doesn't make me believe he was as bad as Lerner was though.
So you despise a well meaning fucking idiot, who at least spent bucket loads of his own cash to piss us off, yet have more time for a man who stole money from the club and essentially pissed on Tony Barton's grave? Righto.
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Ellis wins hands down. He came back to a club hugely fortunate that was Kings of Europe. It takes a massive kind of shit at what you do to get that side relegated in 5 years. What happened after and any successes subsequently should never diminish that. It's like saying Lerner should been allowed to bring us back up and reducing the 2010-2016 era to a few pages in history to be rebated over how bad it was.
What a load of old cobblers!
Fancy responding to the rest? Or are you just going to continue with your position?
I've said everything I want to say. Nothing Ellis did at Villa compares to the crap we were put through since 2010, absolutely nothing.
What a load of old cobblers!
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I always thought Graham Turner was when the real damage was done to the team. McNeil was just not up to turning it around.
Apparently McNeil wasn't up for turning up every day for training. Graham Turner was like giving a kite flying specialist a Boeing 747 to fly.
As for Deadly and Randy (who both sound like American wrestlers), one took us from from Champions of Europe to relegation and back up to two trophies and two top flight runners up spots and then sold us to someone he felt could take the club forward, the other took us from PL strugglers to top six challengers, got bored and deserted us. Then remembered he actually still owned us so sold us. As a popularity contests it ranks up there with Small Heath/Smethwick or Piers Morgan/Katie Hopkins. But at a push I prefer Doug.
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Yes! I've never said anything different. Doesn't make me believe he was as bad as Lerner was though.
You've never mentioned it before, but it's a start. Now - finishing below Halifax in the league. Good, or bad?
Very bad, Dave, but never have we been as humiliated as we've been since 2010. We've become a laughing stock thanks to old Randy.
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Ellis wins hands down. He came back to a club hugely fortunate that was Kings of Europe. It takes a massive kind of shit at what you do to get that side relegated in 5 years. What happened after and any successes subsequently should never diminish that. It's like saying Lerner should been allowed to bring us back up and reducing the 2010-2016 era to a few pages in history to be rebated over how bad it was.
What a load of old cobblers!
Fancy responding to the rest? Or are you just going to continue with your position?
I've said everything I want to say. Nothing Ellis did at Villa compares to the crap we were put through since 2010, absolutely nothing.
What a load of old cobblers!
That's my line!
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The exact same could be said about you though. The facts are there. Humiliation like never before.
Difference is nearly everyone will say they were both shit. Both did some good things as well. You won't even condemn Ellis for his treatment of Tony and Rose Barton. So it's not the exact same at all.
You're not laying that one at my door. Just because I haven't spoke of Barton tonight doesn't mean I don't condemn what happened to him.
You at least agree that it was an absolute disgrace?
Yes! I've never said anything different. Doesn't make me believe he was as bad as Lerner was though.
So you despise a well meaning fucking idiot, who at least spent bucket loads of his own cash to piss us off, yet have more time for a man who stole money from the club and essentially pissed on Tony Barton's grave? Righto.
Yeah he was well meaning, god bless him.
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Yes! I've never said anything different. Doesn't make me believe he was as bad as Lerner was though.
You've never mentioned it before, but it's a start. Now - finishing below Halifax in the league. Good, or bad?
Very bad, Dave, but never have we been as humiliated as we've been since 2010. We've become a laughing stock thanks to old Randy.
Whereas dropping into division three, 1987 & all that and trying to fob off out of date food to Romanian orphans was all a barrel of laughs.
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Yes! I've never said anything different. Doesn't make me believe he was as bad as Lerner was though.
You've never mentioned it before, but it's a start. Now - finishing below Halifax in the league. Good, or bad?
Very bad, Dave, but never have we been as humiliated as we've been since 2010. We've become a laughing stock thanks to old Randy.
And we were probably a laughing stock in 1987 too.
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Yes! I've never said anything different. Doesn't make me believe he was as bad as Lerner was though.
You've never mentioned it before, but it's a start. Now - finishing below Halifax in the league. Good, or bad?
Very bad, Dave, but never have we been as humiliated as we've been since 2010. We've become a laughing stock thanks to old Randy.
Whereas dropping into division three, 1987 & all that and trying to fob off out of date food to Romanian orphans was all a barrel of laughs.
1987 feels like a walk in the park compared to 2010 onwards.
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Yes! I've never said anything different. Doesn't make me believe he was as bad as Lerner was though.
You've never mentioned it before, but it's a start. Now - finishing below Halifax in the league. Good, or bad?
Very bad, Dave, but never have we been as humiliated as we've been since 2010. We've become a laughing stock thanks to old Randy.
Whereas dropping into division three, 1987 & all that and trying to fob off out of date food to Romanian orphans was all a barrel of laughs.
1987 feels like a walk in the park compared to 2010 onwards.
Yes, getting beat 3-0 at home by Small Heath with their supporters celebrating on the pitch and watching a 0-0 draw with 8,455 others was sheer poetry.
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Yes! I've never said anything different. Doesn't make me believe he was as bad as Lerner was though.
You've never mentioned it before, but it's a start. Now - finishing below Halifax in the league. Good, or bad?
Very bad, Dave, but never have we been as humiliated as we've been since 2010. We've become a laughing stock thanks to old Randy.
And we were probably a laughing stock in 1987 too.
Nah. No matter how much you try and convince yourself otherwise 1987 was nothing, absolutely nothing compared to the humiliations of 2010 onwards.
You know deep down I'm sure you don't even believe that yourself. You're just trying to save face because you got it so so wrong so many times regarding our decline under Lerner.
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It's a job for a player. What was Doug "Villa in the blood" Ellis' excuse while he was doing the tour of the shit and small?
I don't give a monkeys fuck, we were a far more professionally run club under Deadly than anything that has followed. True?
Well said, but there's some who'll forever spit venom at anything Ellis related but go easy on the man who quite frankly turned Villa into a genuine laughing stock then ran away.
Why is it ok to 'spit venom' at Lerner but not at Doug? Hardly fair really. I'm almost beginning to think Doug never got us relegated.
That was just a blip with a shit manager.
It's not like we were perennial relegation strugglers under Ellis, something you can't say about Lerner. In fact for most of the time when we had a bad season we'd bounce back and follow it up with a decent one. With Lerner it was abject misery from 2010 onwards. Humiliating stuff.
not sure about that, when I grew up I seem to remember there was a cycle of 3 to 4 years under Ellis, first 2 or 3 years good followed by the last season fighting relegation manager was removed and the cycle started again. Whereas Lerner crammed all the relegation fighting into 1 section.
I'm not a Lerner fan and neither am I a Ellis fan they were both appalling owners but for different reasons.
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Yes! I've never said anything different. Doesn't make me believe he was as bad as Lerner was though.
You've never mentioned it before, but it's a start. Now - finishing below Halifax in the league. Good, or bad?
Very bad, Dave, but never have we been as humiliated as we've been since 2010. We've become a laughing stock thanks to old Randy.
Whereas dropping into division three, 1987 & all that and trying to fob off out of date food to Romanian orphans was all a barrel of laughs.
1987 feels like a walk in the park compared to 2010 onwards.
Yes, getting beat 3-0 at home by Small Heath with their supporters celebrating on the pitch and watching a 0-0 draw with 8,455 others was sheer poetry.
That was 1986 wasn't it? Which in hindsight was a golden year compared to 1987. ;)
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Losing 5-0 at home to Bradford in front of less than 5K was ace as well.
As I said, there were plenty of lows under both, and both were, ultimately shit.
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Yes! I've never said anything different. Doesn't make me believe he was as bad as Lerner was though.
You've never mentioned it before, but it's a start. Now - finishing below Halifax in the league. Good, or bad?
Very bad, Dave, but never have we been as humiliated as we've been since 2010. We've become a laughing stock thanks to old Randy.
And we were probably a laughing stock in 1987 too.
Nah. No matter how much you try and convince yourself otherwise 1987 was nothing, absolutely nothing compared to the humiliations of 2010 onwards.
You know deep down I'm sure you don't even believe that yourself. You're just trying to save face because you got it so so wrong so many times regarding our decline under Lerner.
What exactly did i get wrong?
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Surely the humiliations since 2010 look worse than 1987 because of the amplification that is mass media coverage and social meeeeeja.
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Yes! I've never said anything different. Doesn't make me believe he was as bad as Lerner was though.
You've never mentioned it before, but it's a start. Now - finishing below Halifax in the league. Good, or bad?
Very bad, Dave, but never have we been as humiliated as we've been since 2010. We've become a laughing stock thanks to old Randy.
Whereas dropping into division three, 1987 & all that and trying to fob off out of date food to Romanian orphans was all a barrel of laughs.
1987 feels like a walk in the park compared to 2010 onwards.
Yes, getting beat 3-0 at home by Small Heath with their supporters celebrating on the pitch and watching a 0-0 draw with 8,455 others was sheer poetry.
I know, I was there as well. I was also there from 2010 onwards too. I won't frighten anyone by talking about results from this era though. Once was enough.
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Yes! I've never said anything different. Doesn't make me believe he was as bad as Lerner was though.
You've never mentioned it before, but it's a start. Now - finishing below Halifax in the league. Good, or bad?
Very bad, Dave, but never have we been as humiliated as we've been since 2010. We've become a laughing stock thanks to old Randy.
Whereas dropping into division three, 1987 & all that and trying to fob off out of date food to Romanian orphans was all a barrel of laughs.
1987 feels like a walk in the park compared to 2010 onwards.
So, what about the decline prior to 1987, was all that a barrel of laughs for you after winning the European Cup?
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Surely the humiliations since 2010 look worse than 1987 because of the amplification that is mass media coverage and social meeeeeja.
Good point. Nobody really cared when we went down in 1987 except our 15,000 or so regulars. The world knew about it last year.
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We became a laughing stock when Ellis dismantled the kings of Europe, got rid of any trace of it from around the ground, shat on Tony Barton, appointed the managing equivalent of Poundland and gladly watched us burn with Billy McBingo. The only thing Ellis wasn't, is the fool that Randy was. Both a pair of twats, both to blame for different things. However, for me, Ellis was for Ellis and Ellis alone. What kind of ****** names a stand after himself and then passes it off as a present from the Board that he chairs? Complete ******.
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Yes! I've never said anything different. Doesn't make me believe he was as bad as Lerner was though.
You've never mentioned it before, but it's a start. Now - finishing below Halifax in the league. Good, or bad?
Very bad, Dave, but never have we been as humiliated as we've been since 2010. We've become a laughing stock thanks to old Randy.
And we were probably a laughing stock in 1987 too.
Nah. No matter how much you try and convince yourself otherwise 1987 was nothing, absolutely nothing compared to the humiliations of 2010 onwards.
You know deep down I'm sure you don't even believe that yourself. You're just trying to save face because you got it so so wrong so many times regarding our decline under Lerner.
What exactly did i get wrong?
Just about everything! You backed the club on practically every bit of bullshit they threw at us for years from "young and hungry" to the moneyball shit. The only time you saw anything coming was when it hit you right between the eyes.
Talk about not seeing the wood for the trees!
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Surely the humiliations since 2010 look worse than 1987 because of the amplification that is mass media coverage and social meeeeeja.
Good point. Nobody really cared when we went down in 1987 except our 15,000 or so regulars. The world knew about it last year.
So all those unwanted club records smashed were just the media making them up?
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You come across there like you're enjoying gloating and being right that we're so shit while others remained more optimistic. Which doesn't come across well.
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I don't think that's what I said to be fair.
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Surely the humiliations since 2010 look worse than 1987 because of the amplification that is mass media coverage and social meeeeeja.
Good point. Nobody really cared when we went down in 1987 except our 15,000 or so regulars. The world knew about it last year.
So all those unwanted club records smashed were just the media making them up?
Absolutely. Just like 1987 was a blip and division three never happened.
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Surely the humiliations since 2010 look worse than 1987 because of the amplification that is mass media coverage and social meeeeeja.
Good point. Nobody really cared when we went down in 1987 except our 15,000 or so regulars. The world knew about it last year.
So all those unwanted club records smashed were just the media making them up?
From the best team in European football to relegation fodder inside 4 years was just a blip?
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Lerner was well intentioned but clueless, Doug had the football smarts but was always driven by self interest. Look ahead never back.
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You come across there like you're enjoying gloating and being right that we're so shit while others remained more optimistic. Which doesn't come across well.
That's absolute bollocks. I was as pissed off as anyone, and still pissed off seeing us festering in the Championship. Don't try and make out I'm enjoying Villa in the lower leagues. That's a snide thing to say and you know it.
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Surely the humiliations since 2010 look worse than 1987 because of the amplification that is mass media coverage and social meeeeeja.
Good point. Nobody really cared when we went down in 1987 except our 15,000 or so regulars. The world knew about it last year.
So all those unwanted club records smashed were just the media making them up?
Absolutely. Just like 1987 was a blip and division three never happened.
'87 was a blip, and who said Div 3 never happened?
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Surely the humiliations since 2010 look worse than 1987 because of the amplification that is mass media coverage and social meeeeeja.
Good point. Nobody really cared when we went down in 1987 except our 15,000 or so regulars. The world knew about it last year.
So all those unwanted club records smashed were just the media making them up?
Does anyone else really give a shit or remember how many games we lose or the scores?
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Yes! I've never said anything different. Doesn't make me believe he was as bad as Lerner was though.
You've never mentioned it before, but it's a start. Now - finishing below Halifax in the league. Good, or bad?
Very bad, Dave, but never have we been as humiliated as we've been since 2010. We've become a laughing stock thanks to old Randy.
And we were probably a laughing stock in 1987 too.
Nah. No matter how much you try and convince yourself otherwise 1987 was nothing, absolutely nothing compared to the humiliations of 2010 onwards.
You know deep down I'm sure you don't even believe that yourself. You're just trying to save face because you got it so so wrong so many times regarding our decline under Lerner.
What exactly did i get wrong?
Just about everything! You backed the club on practically every bit of bullshit they threw at us for years from "young and hungry" to the moneyball shit. The only time you saw anything coming was when it hit you right between the eyes.
Talk about not seeing the wood for the trees!
No, no i didn't. I just didn't come on here and whinge about it every day. Like i've always said, i'll say what i think, not what you think i should.
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Surely the humiliations since 2010 look worse than 1987 because of the amplification that is mass media coverage and social meeeeeja.
Good point. Nobody really cared when we went down in 1987 except our 15,000 or so regulars. The world knew about it last year.
So all those unwanted club records smashed were just the media making them up?
From the best team in European football to relegation fodder inside 4 years was just a blip?
We bounced straight back and stayed there nearly 30 years until Randy weaved his magic.
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You come across there like you're enjoying gloating and being right that we're so shit while others remained more optimistic. Which doesn't come across well.
That's absolute bollocks. I was as pissed off as anyone, and still pissed off seeing us festering in the Championship. Don't try and make out I'm enjoying Villa in the lower leagues. That's a snide thing to say and you know it.
No it isn't as it's how it comes across. Notice I said "it comes across as" not that you were. But if you don't want constructive criticism i'll leave you to make yourself potentially look bad in future rather than thinking about rewording things so as things aren't misconstrued.
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Surely the humiliations since 2010 look worse than 1987 because of the amplification that is mass media coverage and social meeeeeja.
Good point. Nobody really cared when we went down in 1987 except our 15,000 or so regulars. The world knew about it last year.
So all those unwanted club records smashed were just the media making them up?
From the best team in European football to relegation fodder inside 4 years was just a blip?
We bounced straight back and stayed there nearly 30 years until Randy weaved his magic.
Ok, from 1984 onwards. It's kind of like 2010 onwards.
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Surely the humiliations since 2010 look worse than 1987 because of the amplification that is mass media coverage and social meeeeeja.
Good point. Nobody really cared when we went down in 1987 except our 15,000 or so regulars. The world knew about it last year.
So all those unwanted club records smashed were just the media making them up?
Does anyone else really give a shit or remember how many games we lose or the scores?
Nope, apart from the odd shocker of a result which will always be remembered. Same as no one really remember that spell under BFR when we couldn't score for months as an example.
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Yes, a blip. It followed a four year decline and only ended when we had the biggest stroke of luck any club could have wished for, but it was only a blip. Clearly being in division three, finishing below Halifax and losing to Torquay & Southend in the FA Cup first round is not as humiliating as relegation from the Premier League. Silly me for thinking otherwise.
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Yes! I've never said anything different. Doesn't make me believe he was as bad as Lerner was though.
You've never mentioned it before, but it's a start. Now - finishing below Halifax in the league. Good, or bad?
Very bad, Dave, but never have we been as humiliated as we've been since 2010. We've become a laughing stock thanks to old Randy.
And we were probably a laughing stock in 1987 too.
Nah. No matter how much you try and convince yourself otherwise 1987 was nothing, absolutely nothing compared to the humiliations of 2010 onwards.
You know deep down I'm sure you don't even believe that yourself. You're just trying to save face because you got it so so wrong so many times regarding our decline under Lerner.
What exactly did i get wrong?
Just about everything! You backed the club on practically every bit of bullshit they threw at us for years from "young and hungry" to the moneyball shit. The only time you saw anything coming was when it hit you right between the eyes.
Talk about not seeing the wood for the trees!
No, no i didn't. I just didn't come on here and whinge about it every day. Like i've always said, i'll say what i think, not what you think i should.
Another thing you used to do was prowl the site looking for what you perceived as negative posts and ridicule the poster and imply they were miserys or negative for the sake of it. Meanwhile the club was going to rack and ruin and you could never see it.
Lets face it, Clampy, you've got most things wrong about the Villa.
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Surely the humiliations since 2010 look worse than 1987 because of the amplification that is mass media coverage and social meeeeeja.
Good point. Nobody really cared when we went down in 1987 except our 15,000 or so regulars. The world knew about it last year.
So all those unwanted club records smashed were just the media making them up?
Does anyone else really give a shit or remember how many games we lose or the scores?
Nope, apart from the odd shocker of a result which will always be remembered. Same as no one really remember that spell under BFR when we couldn't score for months as an example.
In a way you're right. Shit results are often forgotten in the grand scheme of things, but boy have we had more than our fair share of humiliations since 2010.
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ed to do was prowl the site looking for what you perceived as negative posts and ridicule the poster and imply they were miserys or negative for the sake of it. Meanwhile the club was going to rack and ruin and you could never see it.
Lets face it, Clampy, you've got most things wrong about the Villa.
Hold it right there. Defend Doug Ellis all you like, but using it as a way to start on another poster isn't going to happen.
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Yes, a blip. It followed a four year decline and only ended when we had the biggest stroke of luck any club could have wished for, but it was only a blip. Clearly being in division three, finishing below Halifax and losing to Torquay & Southend in the FA Cup first round is not as humiliating as relegation from the Premier League. Silly me for thinking otherwise.
And breaking every unwanted club record on the way.
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ed to do was prowl the site looking for what you perceived as negative posts and ridicule the poster and imply they were miserys or negative for the sake of it. Meanwhile the club was going to rack and ruin and you could never see it.
Lets face it, Clampy, you've got most things wrong about the Villa.
Hold it right there. Defend Doug Ellis all you like, but using it as a way to start on another poster isn't going to happen.
Yes you're right. Sorry Clampy it was a bit spiteful.
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Yes! I've never said anything different. Doesn't make me believe he was as bad as Lerner was though.
You've never mentioned it before, but it's a start. Now - finishing below Halifax in the league. Good, or bad?
Very bad, Dave, but never have we been as humiliated as we've been since 2010. We've become a laughing stock thanks to old Randy.
And we were probably a laughing stock in 1987 too.
Nah. No matter how much you try and convince yourself otherwise 1987 was nothing, absolutely nothing compared to the humiliations of 2010 onwards.
You know deep down I'm sure you don't even believe that yourself. You're just trying to save face because you got it so so wrong so many times regarding our decline under Lerner.
What exactly did i get wrong?
Just about everything! You backed the club on practically every bit of bullshit they threw at us for years from "young and hungry" to the moneyball shit. The only time you saw anything coming was when it hit you right between the eyes.
Talk about not seeing the wood for the trees!
No, no i didn't. I just didn't come on here and whinge about it every day. Like i've always said, i'll say what i think, not what you think i should.
Another thing you used to do was prowl the site looking for what you perceived as negative posts and ridicule the poster and imply they were miserys or negative for the sake of it.
Prowl the site? Oh dear, is that the best thing you cam come up with in an argument about Doug Ellis? Desperate stuff, absolutley desperate.
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Yes, a blip. It followed a four year decline and only ended when we had the biggest stroke of luck any club could have wished for, but it was only a blip. Clearly being in division three, finishing below Halifax and losing to Torquay & Southend in the FA Cup first round is not as humiliating as relegation from the Premier League. Silly me for thinking otherwise.
And breaking every unwanted club record on the way.
Like worst-ever league finish you mean? Or quickest relegation after winning the European Cup? Or the only Villa chairman to preside over not one but two relegations?
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ed to do was prowl the site looking for what you perceived as negative posts and ridicule the poster and imply they were miserys or negative for the sake of it. Meanwhile the club was going to rack and ruin and you could never see it.
Lets face it, Clampy, you've got most things wrong about the Villa.
Hold it right there. Defend Doug Ellis all you like, but using it as a way to start on another poster isn't going to happen.
Yes you're right. Sorry Clampy it was a bit spiteful.
No problem.
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Anyway, that's me done for the night. Carry on amongst yourselves.
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Yes, a blip. It followed a four year decline and only ended when we had the biggest stroke of luck any club could have wished for, but it was only a blip. Clearly being in division three, finishing below Halifax and losing to Torquay & Southend in the FA Cup first round is not as humiliating as relegation from the Premier League. Silly me for thinking otherwise.
And breaking every unwanted club record on the way.
Like worst-ever league finish you mean? Or quickest relegation after winning the European Cup? Or the only Villa chairman to preside over not one but two relegations?
I'm not gonna list the unwanted broken records smashed since 2010 but I'm sure most fans know them. It'd be too painful to type out.
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I'm just amazed that you actually believe the stuff you're typing.
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Yes, a blip. It followed a four year decline and only ended when we had the biggest stroke of luck any club could have wished for, but it was only a blip. Clearly being in division three, finishing below Halifax and losing to Torquay & Southend in the FA Cup first round is not as humiliating as relegation from the Premier League. Silly me for thinking otherwise.
And breaking every unwanted club record on the way.
Like worst-ever league finish you mean? Or quickest relegation after winning the European Cup? Or the only Villa chairman to preside over not one but two relegations?
I'm not gonna list the unwanted broken records smashed since 2010 but I'm sure most fans know them. It'd be too painful to type out.
I'll do a few. I don't like either owner but Lerner was the other side of the Atlantic for these:
Heaviest league defeat
Most consecutive defeats
Most consecutive games without a win
Most consecutive games without a goal
Most goals conceded without scoring - 15
Lowest points in a season - even when 2 points for a win
Heaviest home defeat since 1935
Worst ever home record in a season
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Imagine being an Ellis fanboy and choosing "Saunders Heroes" for a username. The mind boggles.
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This is abit of a race to the bottom chaps
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Imagine being an Ellis fanboy and choosing "Saunders Heroes" for a username. The mind boggles.
I was thinking that as well
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Imagine being an Ellis fanboy and choosing "Saunders Heroes" for a username. The mind boggles.
So you can only respect Ron if you dislike Ellis?
The mind certainly boggles!
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Imagine being an Ellis fanboy and choosing "Saunders Heroes" for a username. The mind boggles.
So you can only respect Ron if you dislike Ellis?
The mind certainly boggles!
Who tried to force Saunders out?
Who was forced from the Board having, essentially, made it a case that either he or Saunders went?
Who was absent as Chairman when Saunders reached the pinnacle of his managerial career?
Who was absent as Chairman when Saunders' team won their greatest victory under Saunders' successor?
Who returned as Chairman and dismantled the team that Saunders and Barton had led to glory?
Who was Chairman when the club were relegated five years after Saunders left?
Who was Chairman when Saunders went thirty years without visiting Villa Park?
Who was Chairman when Saunders' greatest captain was made persona non grata at Villa Park?
Who ignored the more valid claims of Saunders and Barton and decided to name a stand after himself?
Who had just left as Chairman when Saunders' team, and Saunders himself, finally received the recognition they deserved at Villa Park?
Change your username. You're a disgrace to the great man.
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Ha!
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Promotion, two title near misses, two league cups. Halcyon days.
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Yes, and Mussolini made the trains run on time. You can make anyone look good if you ignore any of the bad things that happened when they were in charge.
Randy Lerner:
Two cup finals, four Wembley appearances, three successive top six finishes, regular European football, smashing our transfer record, smashing Small Heath, winning away at Man United and Arsenal and beating Liverpool, Chelsea, Man City and Tottenham home and away, lovely new scarves.
What a guy.
(Just in case anyone fails to grasp the point, Herbert's Heroes, for instance... I don't really think Lerner was brilliant I'm using that as an example to illustrate the point I made in the first paragraph).
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If he does it makes what he did to the person responsible for the greatest moment in the history of Aston Villa even more disgraceful.
No one knows what goes on behind closed doors. I too love RS. and TB. Lifes shit sometimes.
Indeed.
Apart from plenty do know, and it's from independents that were at the testimonial, Rose Barton and things like that, so it's hardly guess work.
I'm not doubting it at all. In fact I believe you!
I'd still take Doug Ellis over Randy Lerner every day of the week as chairman of Villa.
Would you fuck. If the internet existed in 1984-86 you would have lost your mind. You didn't have remotely the same access to information as you did under Lerner. Had you done so and watched such a great team stripped bear in just over 4 years, a proper Villa hero like Barton treated like shit you'd have a completely different view on things.
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I hate it when posters I respect* argue about people I don't.
*thats all of you here
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Just to go off topic and get back on topic, the owner did something very nice earlier, in response to Stan Collymore asking if anything could be done for a fan who, for sentimental reasons to do with his grandad, was desperately trying to get tickets for the Burton game.
@StanCollymore
Hi @AVFCOfficial @Dr_TonyXia@burtonalbionfc anything we can do to help @Jamesfox1988? I’ll pay for the tickets. Wherever in the ground.
@Dr_TonyXia
Just read this.Been on business trips. @StanCollymore ,@jamesfox1988 contact @VillansHo have my director seat. Good luck.
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I hate it when posters I respect* argue about people I don't.
*thats all of you here
Indeed.
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Just to go off topic and get back on topic, the owner did something very nice earlier, in response to Stan Collymore asking if anything could be done for a fan who, for sentimental reasons to do with his grandad, was desperately trying to get tickets for the Burton game.
@StanCollymore
Hi @AVFCOfficial @Dr_TonyXia@burtonalbionfc anything we can do to help @Jamesfox1988? I’ll pay for the tickets. Wherever in the ground.
@Dr_TonyXia
Just read this.Been on business trips. @StanCollymore ,@jamesfox1988 contact @VillansHo have my director seat. Good luck.
I read that brilliant from our Dr Tony what a top guy.
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Just to go off topic and get back on topic, the owner did something very nice earlier, in response to Stan Collymore asking if anything could be done for a fan who, for sentimental reasons to do with his grandad, was desperately trying to get tickets for the Burton game.
@StanCollymore
Hi @AVFCOfficial @Dr_TonyXia@burtonalbionfc anything we can do to help @Jamesfox1988? I’ll pay for the tickets. Wherever in the ground.
@Dr_TonyXia
Just read this.Been on business trips. @StanCollymore ,@jamesfox1988 contact @VillansHo have my director seat. Good luck.
I read that brilliant from our Dr Tony what a top guy.
That's class
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Imagine being an Ellis fanboy and choosing "Saunders Heroes" for a username. The mind boggles.
So you can only respect Ron if you dislike Ellis?
The mind certainly boggles!
Who tried to force Saunders out?
Who was forced from the Board having, essentially, made it a case that either he or Saunders went?
Who was absent as Chairman when Saunders reached the pinnacle of his managerial career?
Who was absent as Chairman when Saunders' team won their greatest victory under Saunders' successor?
Who returned as Chairman and dismantled the team that Saunders and Barton had led to glory?
Who was Chairman when the club were relegated five years after Saunders left?
Who was Chairman when Saunders went thirty years without visiting Villa Park?
Who was Chairman when Saunders' greatest captain was made persona non grata at Villa Park?
Who ignored the more valid claims of Saunders and Barton and decided to name a stand after himself?
Who had just left as Chairman when Saunders' team, and Saunders himself, finally received the recognition they deserved at Villa Park?
Change your username. You're a disgrace to the great man.
Wow. That's some charge sheet. What a total douchebag Ellis is! You can add to that the mystery fires, the sacking of a young lad for using Elliss's personal lift to carry some heavy items, the one match ball only on match days, the rebuff of Brian Clough in his prime "I wasn't having that man at MY Aston Villa" and much more I'm sure.
The "well he always kept us on an even keel" argument looks pretty weak in the face of his misdemeanours. He does however manage to split the fans opinions like nothing else in our history. I prefer not to talk about him any more as I once had to be pulled apart from a very good mate after a "heated discussion" about Sir Deady.
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If he does it makes what he did to the person responsible for the greatest moment in the history of Aston Villa even more disgraceful.
No one knows what goes on behind closed doors. I too love RS. and TB. Lifes shit sometimes.
Indeed.
Apart from plenty do know, and it's from independents that were at the testimonial, Rose Barton and things like that, so it's hardly guess work.
I'm not doubting it at all. In fact I believe you!
I'd still take Doug Ellis over Randy Lerner every day of the week as chairman of Villa.
Would you fuck. If the internet existed in 1984-86 you would have lost your mind. You didn't have remotely the same access to information as you did under Lerner. Had you done so and watched such a great team stripped bear in just over 4 years, a proper Villa hero like Barton treated like shit you'd have a completely different view on things.
A bit patronising. I was around in the 80s you know and had a season ticket as well. I still stand by what I said despite your post.
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Tony's tweeted! Tony's tweeted!!
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If he does it makes what he did to the person responsible for the greatest moment in the history of Aston Villa even more disgraceful.
No one knows what goes on behind closed doors. I too love RS. and TB. Lifes shit sometimes.
Indeed.
Apart from plenty do know, and it's from independents that were at the testimonial, Rose Barton and things like that, so it's hardly guess work.
I'm not doubting it at all. In fact I believe you!
I'd still take Doug Ellis over Randy Lerner every day of the week as chairman of Villa.
Would you fuck. If the internet existed in 1984-86 you would have lost your mind. You didn't have remotely the same access to information as you did under Lerner. Had you done so and watched such a great team stripped bear in just over 4 years, a proper Villa hero like Barton treated like shit you'd have a completely different view on things.
A bit patronising. I was around in the 80s you know and had a season ticket as well. I still stand by what I said despite your post.
So was I. My point is that the internet, access to information and sites such as this mean that you immerse yourself in the bad (and good) to a much greater extent. What has happened in the past 7 years cannot be dimished. And nobody is trying to. But if what happened post European Cup win leading up to relegation in the mid 80's today, or with today's methods of communication this place would have blown up.
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I was also around in that era and can honestly say if we have had the internet at that time things would have gone nuclear on here.
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I was also around in that era and can honestly say if we have had the internet at that time things would have gone nuclear on here.
Saunders' Heroes' head in 1987........
(https://media.tenor.com/images/d777609b88e5c31edb7744de0ebff432/tenor.gif)
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Just to go off topic and get back on topic, the owner did something very nice earlier, in response to Stan Collymore asking if anything could be done for a fan who, for sentimental reasons to do with his grandad, was desperately trying to get tickets for the Burton game.
@StanCollymore
Hi @AVFCOfficial @Dr_TonyXia@burtonalbionfc anything we can do to help @Jamesfox1988? I’ll pay for the tickets. Wherever in the ground.
@Dr_TonyXia
Just read this.Been on business trips. @StanCollymore ,@jamesfox1988 contact @VillansHo have my director seat. Good luck.
I read that brilliant from our Dr Tony what a top guy.
That's class
Classy move.
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Yep, a class move by Dr Tone.
As they say in Red Dwarf about Ace Rimmer....."What a guy".
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The class move by Tony isn't all that it seems. It appears that the fellow asking for the tickets pulled the same ploy last year.
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The class move by Tony isn't all that it seems. It appears that the fellow asking for the tickets pulled the same ploy last year.
If true, it doesn't negate the class move by the owner, merely highlights the issues with the guy requesting them.
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The class move by Tony isn't all that it seems. It appears that the fellow asking for the tickets pulled the same ploy last year.
Well in that case " out" the prick. Either way it shows the quality of our owner.
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He's tweeted already and he's not happy
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Dr. Tony Xia
Dr. Tony Xia @Dr_TonyXia
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Equates to;
"Sad. Embarrassed. Angry."
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He's tweeted already and he's not happy
Yup. Sad, embarrassed and angry.
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Time's up.
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I'm sad, angry and embarrassed as well Tone.
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Third time lucky
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Hanging on for a point at home against Brentford.
Yeah Tone. I think you have the right reaction. Luckily you can do something about it.
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I echo his thoughts. Maybe playing 3 defensive midfielders will improve us ::)
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That Brentford performance was better than any Aston Villa away performance in the last 12 months. Possibly more. Which tells you exactly what a poor job Potato is doing right now.
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Dr. Tony Xia
Dr. Tony Xia @Dr_TonyXia
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He'll be gone sooner rather than later judging by that.
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Time should be up now, we're just not improving. With the squad we have we should be hammering teams like Brentford.
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8)
Yes - Stevie is a dinosuar - I think we all agree ;D
NOW - XIA the competent Owner?
The man who claims other owners seek his "football advice" ?
Disappears on Twitter when we are cr@p ?
Has Heart-Surgery at an unknown hospital in an unkown country - the SAME WEEK that FFP is announced ?
Like Trump...makes stupid comments and moves quickly away...never returns
Like Trump... never takes a Q & A Press conference.
XIA IS OUR PROBLEM.
His appointments (Wyness to Bruce) show his ignorance of football UK. Neither of them would have been touched by even Wolves / Blues / Baggies in this decade
But the FOOTBALL OUTSIDER....THE MAN... knows better than anyone else in UK Football.
As he often tells China and Us.
XIA IS OUR PROBLEM.
The Chinese Govt is now restricting outflow of CAPITAL from the Mainland.
XIA's proposed Hollywood "BIG DEAL" has collapsed...he's mincing about setting up an alternative finance input .... Tony !.... Hollywood takes your money, they don't give it back.
Rumours are that XIA is trying to privately sell us... but needs to get us listed on the HKSE to be out of Cfina's Mainland Conditions.
WOW...if that is true. Read that on the english HK paper because I saw a reference on another site.
DEPLORABLE...if true. ;D
Meanwhile "RECONN" ...his funding agent for us...is collapsing.
BRUCE OUT -- YES
XIA OUT - DEFF
Let us help him sell us - PLEASE
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can you please stop posting this shit.
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to delay much longer is akin to corporate negligence, something the Dr should be more tan familiar with.
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Agreed
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Tony listen to the supporters, we have been around a long time and seen it all. This manager is not going to get any better, he may get an occasional win but never will he get us promoted.
Do not wait until there is no chance of promotion that way you will lose support and people will start to question your competency, take a leaf out of a previous managers handbook he wasn't called deadly for nothing.
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Tony listen to the supporters, we have been around a long time and seen it all. This manager is not going to get any better, he may get an occasional win but never will he get us promoted.
Do not wait until there is no chance of promotion that way you will lose support and people will start to question your competency, take a leaf out of a previous managers handbook he wasn't called deadly for nothing.
You was doing so well then you had to bring HIM into it. And he was the owner not the manager. Hey ho.Bruce out now..
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8)
Yes - Stevie is a dinosuar - I think we all agree ;D
NOW - XIA the competent Owner?
The man who claims other owners seek his "football advice" ?
Disappears on Twitter when we are cr@p ?
Has Heart-Surgery at an unknown hospital in an unkown country - the SAME WEEK that FFP is announced ?
Like Trump...makes stupid comments and moves quickly away...never returns
Like Trump... never takes a Q & A Press conference.
XIA IS OUR PROBLEM.
His appointments (Wyness to Bruce) show his ignorance of football UK. Neither of them would have been touched by even Wolves / Blues / Baggies in this decade
But the FOOTBALL OUTSIDER....THE MAN... knows better than anyone else in UK Football.
As he often tells China and Us.
XIA IS OUR PROBLEM.
The Chinese Govt is now restricting outflow of CAPITAL from the Mainland.
XIA's proposed Hollywood "BIG DEAL" has collapsed...he's mincing about setting up an alternative finance input .... Tony !.... Hollywood takes your money, they don't give it back.
Rumours are that XIA is trying to privately sell us... but needs to get us listed on the HKSE to be out of Cfina's Mainland Conditions.
WOW...if that is true. Read that on the english HK paper because I saw a reference on another site.
DEPLORABLE...if true. ;D
Meanwhile "RECONN" ...his funding agent for us...is collapsing.
BRUCE OUT -- YES
XIA OUT - DEFF
Let us help him sell us - PLEASE
Thanks for that. Night night
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Oh dear. Talk about utter nonsense.
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I don't know where to start with this.
Why did you need to know what hospital he was in? Was you going to send him a dog turd in a box instead of grapes?
Didn't he just sell his interest in the Hollywood films company? Nothing untoward there as it was just an investment that probably matured.
I've seen no rumours he wants to sell us. If there was a 0.0000001% substance to the source you mention, the Mail and WM would salivating and be all over it like a rash with their 'Villa in Crisis' specials.
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Fuckin' hell, its alftitimus.
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This is simply wrong and unpleasant. No more, please.
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Speculative based on zero substance - very similar to Steve Bruce
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Warning. This posters contributions appear to be long unsubstantiated ramblings punctuated with BOLD CAPITALISATION and emoticons unrelated to 8) the content. In addition, unless they are posting from a radically different time zone (eg. USA, Australia, Small Heath) who starts threads at 4.26 am ??
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Xia out? Seems somewhat ridiculous.
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Lock please.
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who starts threads at 4.26 am ??
He could be a doctor, working nights.
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Xia has backed both managers. They've both been crap.
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Lock please.
And throw away the key. With Bruce and Agbonlahor attached.
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Merged this semi literate horse shit, although it was probably better deleted.
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who starts threads at 4.26 am ??
He could be a doctor, working nights.
Fantastic. Apart from Brexit, Trump, North Korea blowing up the planet, my bins not being emptied for weeks, and Villa being crap for years, I now cannot get ill at home because some nutjob quack called Alfie will come and finish me off.
The 1970s were so much better. We may have had the the Cold War, a 3 day week, power cuts, recessions, and hyper inflation but at least you could go and stand on The Holte and watch a Saunders managed Villa with Brian Little etc smash the scousers 5-1.
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as long as you didn't stare too long at the mountains of rubbish and dead bodies stock pilled in chilled goods lorries life was good
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Or want to watch Captain Scarlet on a Saturday morning. Bastards.
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love Captain Scarlet me. And Marina
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That emoji tweet last night suggested patience is wearing thin.
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8)
Yes - Stevie is a dinosuar - I think we all agree ;D
NOW - XIA the competent Owner?
The man who claims other owners seek his "football advice" ?
Disappears on Twitter when we are cr@p ?
Has Heart-Surgery at an unknown hospital in an unkown country - the SAME WEEK that FFP is announced ?
Like Trump...makes stupid comments and moves quickly away...never returns
Like Trump... never takes a Q & A Press conference.
XIA IS OUR PROBLEM.
His appointments (Wyness to Bruce) show his ignorance of football UK. Neither of them would have been touched by even Wolves / Blues / Baggies in this decade
But the FOOTBALL OUTSIDER....THE MAN... knows better than anyone else in UK Football.
As he often tells China and Us.
XIA IS OUR PROBLEM.
The Chinese Govt is now restricting outflow of CAPITAL from the Mainland.
XIA's proposed Hollywood "BIG DEAL" has collapsed...he's mincing about setting up an alternative finance input .... Tony !.... Hollywood takes your money, they don't give it back.
Rumours are that XIA is trying to privately sell us... but needs to get us listed on the HKSE to be out of Cfina's Mainland Conditions.
WOW...if that is true. Read that on the english HK paper because I saw a reference on another site.
DEPLORABLE...if true. ;D
Meanwhile "RECONN" ...his funding agent for us...is collapsing.
BRUCE OUT -- YES
XIA OUT - DEFF
Let us help him sell us - PLEASE
Fair enough Alfi! You have the right to an opinion the same as everyone else does, but please provide evidence to back up your statements that Reconn is collapsing and that Xia is attempting to offload us on the quiet. Cheers!
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who starts threads at 4.26 am ??
He could be a doctor, working nights.
We already have Dr Butler.
UTV
The Doc
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Tony listen to the supporters, we have been around a long time and seen it all. This manager is not going to get any better, he may get an occasional win but never will he get us promoted.
Do not wait until there is no chance of promotion that way you will lose support and people will start to question your competency, take a leaf out of a previous managers handbook he wasn't called deadly for nothing.
You was doing so well then you had to bring HIM into it. And he was the owner not the manager. Hey ho.Bruce out now..
Yes realised as soon as I posted thought everyone would get the gist.
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That emoji tweet last night suggested patience is wearing thin.
Why doesn't he say so then. We've got an owner who communicates with supporters by posting emojis on Twitter
like some teenager texting his mate. Does he think it gives him some sort of street cred? Embarrassing.
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who starts threads at 4.26 am ??
He could be a doctor, working nights.
More likely a patient.
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That emoji tweet last night suggested patience is wearing thin.
Why doesn't he say so then. We've got an owner who communicates with supporters by posting emojis on Twitter
like some teenager texting his mate. Does he think it gives him some sort of street cred? Embarrassing.
I can't think of anything worse than a chairman coming out with that on Twitter. I think it's an horrendous idea.
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Using emojis leaves you 'wiggle room' as they are very much open to interpretation? It keeps both sides happy, and gives you some time to procrastinate?
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Using emojis leaves you 'wiggle room' as they are very much open to interpretation? It keeps both sides happy, and gives you some time to procrastinate?
It lacks the class that I like to associate Villa with and I'd imagine Blues owners ( past and present) being so childish. I am a grumpy old twat but we should be above silly tweets like the shit Xia trots out
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Using emojis leaves you 'wiggle room' as they are very much open to interpretation? It keeps both sides happy, and gives you some time to procrastinate?
It lacks the class that I like to associate Villa with and I'd imagine Blues owners ( past and present) being so childish. I am a grumpy old twat but we should be above silly tweets like the shit Xia trots out
Telling a manager he's on borrowed time via social media would also lack class as well, let's be honest.
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Using emojis leaves you 'wiggle room' as they are very much open to interpretation? It keeps both sides happy, and gives you some time to procrastinate?
It lacks the class that I like to associate Villa with and I'd imagine Blues owners ( past and present) being so childish. I am a grumpy old twat but we should be above silly tweets like the shit Xia trots out
Telling a manager he's on borrowed time via social media would also lack class as well, let's be honest.
Agreed, he should switch it off and start communicating properly.
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Totally agree. Xia probably thinks that's the way to appease fans but it's crass.
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In his post match comments on WM Bruce sounded like a worried man.
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love Captain Scarlet me. And Marina
Perv
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In his post match comments on WM Bruce sounded like a worried man.
That is because he is experienced and streetwise enough to know he is in trouble.
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love Captain Scarlet me. And Marina
Perv
And clearly bisexual.
Christopher Biggins wouldn't approve.
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who cares? A threesome with her, the Captain and Penelope Pitstop would have been animatronic.
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who cares? A threesome with her, the Captain and Penelope Pitstop would have been animatronic.
I wouldn't mind a threesome with Penelope Pitstop and Daphne from Scooby Doo.
Is it wrong that I considered including Sue from The Sooty Show?
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And you think I'm a perv?
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Doug's Tweets.......
(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ETVOCcGE5Wg/WJn9XUpnmYI/AAAAAAAAT98/MhucLHREH88aog0j3876qw783zHMT5pAwCLcB/s1600/rose-in-mouth-emoji.png)
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I don't think the tweet is anything other than his feelings about the game. You can always interpret and read more into it. But it's pretty much how I felt as a fan by the end, let alone the feelings of bloke who has pumped multi millions into this club since acquiring it. He has a right to be fucked off and I have no doubt he's made those feelings clearly directly or through Round/Wyness.
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can you please stop posting this shit.
Seconded.
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can you please stop posting this shit.
Seconded.
I add the full force of the French vote to this.
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can you please stop posting this shit.
Seconded.
I add the full force of the French vote to this.
Irlande, douze points
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In his post match comments on WM Bruce sounded like a worried man.
He bloody should be!
Does anyone know if there's a 'vote of confidence' emoji in case Tony posts anything else?
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No matter how everyone feels,we need u go behind the team to create the best VP atmosphere!Thanks to all standing together!#UTV
4:12 PM - 11 Sep 2017
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But we're not allowed to stand.......
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Tell the manager and team to go towards the goal we're attacking and the crowd will respond.
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Tell the manager and team to go towards the goal we're attacking.
Nah, that sort of poncey tactics will never catch on.
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Tell the manager and team to go towards the goal we're attacking.
Nah, that sort of poncey tactics will never catch on.
Yes, look at Pep Quintoniola over there! ;)
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He'll be suggesting we should try and kick or head the ball into the net next. Tsh!
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Yep. That's the cause of us being 18th in the 2nd division, second time around, and having one shot on target at home to Brentford. It's the atmosphere.
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Yep. That's the cause of us being 18th in the 2nd division, second time around, and having one shot on target at home to Brentford. It's the atmosphere.
And of course the players express themselves much more freely away from home where we have won about 3 games in 12 months...!
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Expectation is massive at our club. We haven't had players or managers that can handle it.
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Which is why you need someone who has managed a big club, with high expectations, for them to stand a chance.
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Which is why you need someone who has managed a big club, with high expectations, for them to stand a chance.
Exactly, it's really not complicated, if you keep hiring managers and most of your players from teams where the expectations are to bob along in midtable and avoid relegation then you get a team that delivers exactly that.
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I don't altogether disagree with that but if you always stick by that notion then Alex Ferguson never gets the Man U job. Graham Taylor probably doesn't get the Villa job and there would be no point in trying to attract an Eddie Howe to become the next big thing. It really limits your pool of who is available.
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I don't altogether disagree with that but if you always stick by that notion then Alex Ferguson never gets the Man U job. Graham Taylor probably doesn't get the Villa job and there would be no point in trying to attract an Eddie Howe to become the next big thing. It really limits your pool of who is available.
Too many have buckled under our expectations. It is the one thing managerially we haven't tried and makes sense to me.
I don't think Howe would be any good for us, as an example.
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I don't altogether disagree with that but if you always stick by that notion then Alex Ferguson never gets the Man U job. Graham Taylor probably doesn't get the Villa job and there would be no point in trying to attract an Eddie Howe to become the next big thing. It really limits your pool of who is available.
Different times though, in the mid-late 80s the intensity of the media just wasn't there and the financial implications of an average season were nothing like as punishing so it was easier to give someone the time to grow into it and it was easier for someone inexperienced to settle down.
Look at how replacing Fergie went for Man U, Moyes was totally out of his depth because he had no idea how to handle the pressure of such a big club and he fucked it up big time.
If your team is a little more settled and you're just bringing in someone who knows the system and can jump right into it then the profile doesn't matter (Zidane at Real and Guardiola at Barca were both 'through the ranks') but there's a reason why the top clubs chase a very limited pool of managers and it's because those guys have proven themselves capable of handling the pressure.
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I don't altogether disagree with that but if you always stick by that notion then Alex Ferguson never gets the Man U job. Graham Taylor probably doesn't get the Villa job and there would be no point in trying to attract an Eddie Howe to become the next big thing. It really limits your pool of who is available.
Too many have buckled under our expectations. It is the one thing managerially we haven't tried and makes sense to me.
I don't think Howe would be any good for us, as an example.
Personally for me, of those available, the best short term 1-2 year solution who has an ego the size of half the planet who could do the job, and who I would have confidence in getting us promoted is Sam Allardyce. He's not who I would want in an ideal world but he's a wanker, but a very competent one managing football clubs. The Villa job would not overwhelm him at all.
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I don't altogether disagree with that but if you always stick by that notion then Alex Ferguson never gets the Man U job. Graham Taylor probably doesn't get the Villa job and there would be no point in trying to attract an Eddie Howe to become the next big thing. It really limits your pool of who is available.
Different times though, in the mid-late 80s the intensity of the media just wasn't there and the financial implications of an average season were nothing like as punishing so it was easier to give someone the time to grow into it and it was easier for someone inexperienced to settle down.
Look at how replacing Fergie went for Man U, Moyes was totally out of his depth because he had no idea how to handle the pressure of such a big club and he fucked it up big time.
If your team is a little more settled and you're just bringing in someone who knows the system and can jump right into it then the profile doesn't matter (Zidane at Real and Guardiola at Barca were both 'through the ranks') but there's a reason why the top clubs chase a very limited pool of managers and it's because those guys have proven themselves capable of handling the pressure.
Managing Everton should have been a good stepping stone for Moyes going to Man U. I think they gave up on him too quickly, which I felt was validated by how poorly Van Gaal did. I don't know that there is a perfect formula. Who is there in a reasonable sense is the right manager to take on Championship Aston Villa? It's a combination of big club, a perilous pitfall with sprinkling of immense opportunity. Finding that manager who can understand, absorb all of that and flourish is very challenging.
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I don't altogether disagree with that but if you always stick by that notion then Alex Ferguson never gets the Man U job. Graham Taylor probably doesn't get the Villa job and there would be no point in trying to attract an Eddie Howe to become the next big thing. It really limits your pool of who is available.
Different times though, in the mid-late 80s the intensity of the media just wasn't there and the financial implications of an average season were nothing like as punishing so it was easier to give someone the time to grow into it and it was easier for someone inexperienced to settle down.
Look at how replacing Fergie went for Man U, Moyes was totally out of his depth because he had no idea how to handle the pressure of such a big club and he fucked it up big time.
If your team is a little more settled and you're just bringing in someone who knows the system and can jump right into it then the profile doesn't matter (Zidane at Real and Guardiola at Barca were both 'through the ranks') but there's a reason why the top clubs chase a very limited pool of managers and it's because those guys have proven themselves capable of handling the pressure.
Managing Everton should have been a good stepping stone for Moyes going to Man U. I think they gave up on him too quickly, which I felt was validated by how poorly Van Gaal did. I don't know that there is a perfect formula. Who is there in a reasonable sense is the right manager to take on Championship Aston Villa? It's a combination of big club, a perilous pitfall with sprinkling of immense opportunity. Finding that manager who can understand, absorb all of that and flourish is very challenging.
Indeed it is, which is why I find the idea that an unemployed bloke who live down the road became the clear favourite last time and why it upsets me that people like Pardew, Smith and Fat Sam would be the most likely replacements, it's just such a lazy approach to go after people like that.
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Well watching Sam Allardyce on Sky and he's just ruled himself out of any job. Says he spoke to the Palace chairman. Doesn't mean money and the right opportunity wouldnt turn his head.
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Which is no surprise
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Which is why you need someone who has managed a big club, with high expectations, for them to stand a chance.
Houllier managed Liverpool, Lyon and French national team so fitted that criteria comfortably yet chose to go down the DOL of downplaying things around the club.
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Well watching Sam Allardyce on Sky and he's just ruled himself out of any job. Says he spoke to the Palace chairman. Doesn't mean money and the right opportunity wouldnt turn his head.
Allardyce won promotion 17 years ago through play offs other than that he has never won anything in his managerial career.
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Think next one need to be a ex Villa player. For character and passion Olof Mellberg would be ideal.
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Passion and character are nice to haves, what we need is someone who is tactically astute and not pathologically afraid of defeat.
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Which is why you need someone who has managed a big club, with high expectations, for them to stand a chance.
Agree. No more blokes with potential or have done well with a minnow for a few years. I'd we're willing to spend big money on players, then spend it on a manager that has had success, has personality, and will shake the club out of the doldrums.
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Well watching Sam Allardyce on Sky and he's just ruled himself out of any job. Says he spoke to the Palace chairman. Doesn't mean money and the right opportunity wouldnt turn his head.
Allardyce won promotion 17 years ago through play offs other than that he has never won anything in his managerial career.
He also got West Ham promoted about 5 years ago. I know he's not everyone's cup of tea, myself included, however the fact is we are currently a bottom half of the Championship club so cannot turn our nose up at Sam Allardyce.
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Which is why you need someone who has managed a big club, with high expectations, for them to stand a chance.
Houllier managed Liverpool, Lyon and French national team so fitted that criteria comfortably yet chose to go down the DOL of downplaying things around the club.
We also looked to be turning into a decent team with a very prolific striker.
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I don't altogether disagree with that but if you always stick by that notion then Alex Ferguson never gets the Man U job. Graham Taylor probably doesn't get the Villa job and there would be no point in trying to attract an Eddie Howe to become the next big thing. It really limits your pool of who is available.
Paul's post referred to clubs who were happy to bob along in mid table and avoid relegation. I don't think that description applies to an Aberdeen team who became the best team in Scotland and won two European trophies. SGT's Watford may have bobbed along in mid table for the four years before he left but before that they won three promotions and a second place finish in the top flight. Then got relegated as soon as he left.
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Which is why you need someone who has managed a big club, with high expectations, for them to stand a chance.
Houllier managed Liverpool, Lyon and French national team so fitted that criteria comfortably yet chose to go down the DOL of downplaying things around the club.
We also looked to be turning into a decent team with a very prolific striker.
Said it countless times but I never subscribed to the theory we were destined for greatness under Ged if his heart hadn't briefly packed up.
A completely odd choice to replace MON and many have forgotten how poor many of our performances were that season with what was a pretty good squad still.
Even after signing Bent we had terrible games like losing at home to Wolves.
At least he had the right idea of trying to implement a more technical style but we should've just waited until a younger european coach had become available that season and keep McDonald as a caretaker until then.
As regards a manager who has managed several big clubs, is Roberto Mancini in a job atm? He's one of the few I can think of who would fulfil that criteria.
The trouble is though it is much either to make those appointments if you have premier league football on offer. We could then feasibly target the likes of him or Pellegrini as an ambitious appointment but until then I just don't see it happening.
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Seriously, how much worse could it get by sacking Bruce and appointing ANYBODY else? FFS, we need to get out of this shit league - upwards - any which way!
Another season of this mind-numbing bollocks and the club may as well call it a day.
Dr Tony - businessman or loser? Time to decide, this investment is going down the drain.
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The owner tweeted a few weeks back that September was going to be a key month. So I'd imagine SB is under no illusions he needs to pull his finger out and pick up some wins quick otherwise he'll be signing on like RDM was on the 1st October.
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Unless he's the new Lambert, waiting to be sacked and dragging our "once great club" down forever.
Because this has all the making of a Leeds, Sheff Wed or Portsmouth. We end up going down again, and all of a sudden 60k stadium are light years away.
A point a game for how long? Really?
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Well watching Sam Allardyce on Sky and he's just ruled himself out of any job. Says he spoke to the Palace chairman. Doesn't mean money and the right opportunity wouldnt turn his head.
Great news.
I don't see much difference between Big Sam & Steve Bruce.
I would like our new manager to have us play football that is halfway enjoyable to watch and modern. I don't want to go up again only to be smashed by more progressive managers in the Premier League. The build has to start now.
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Which is why you need someone who has managed a big club, with high expectations, for them to stand a chance.
Houllier managed Liverpool, Lyon and French national team so fitted that criteria comfortably yet chose to go down the DOL of downplaying things around the club.
We also looked to be turning into a decent team with a very prolific striker.
No we didnt
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Which is why you need someone who has managed a big club, with high expectations, for them to stand a chance.
Houllier managed Liverpool, Lyon and French national team so fitted that criteria comfortably yet chose to go down the DOL of downplaying things around the club.
We also looked to be turning into a decent team with a very prolific striker.
No we didnt
We finished the season with wins against Liverpool and Arsenal playing some good football. If memory serves one of the goals was a 16/17 touch move. However, Gary Mac was in charge those last few games but there's no denying we were evolving.
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As I remember it we had a really tough time from about the start of November until Bent arrived in mid January because you had players in revolt against the coaching and a fuckton of injuries but once we got a focal point up front and some energy into the team (from Walker) we improved a lot. the last 16 games were 7w, 5d, 4l - which would be around 60 points for the season not ground breaking but certainly a big turn around from where we'd been. Given so many of the problems were due to fitness I think he's one that could've done with a pre-season to get the players to the fitness level he wanted. my feeling was that we were on the right track and that we should've followed him up with a manager with a similar style. If we had I think the next few seasons would've played out very differently.
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Shall we change this thread title to Flogging Dead Horses?
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Neigh
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As I remember it we had a really tough time from about the start of November until Bent arrived in mid January because you had players in revolt against the coaching and a fuckton of injuries but once we got a focal point up front and some energy into the team (from Walker) we improved a lot. the last 16 games were 7w, 5d, 4l - which would be around 60 points for the season not ground breaking but certainly a big turn around from where we'd been. Given so many of the problems were due to fitness I think he's one that could've done with a pre-season to get the players to the fitness level he wanted. my feeling was that we were on the right track and that we should've followed him up with a manager with a similar style. If we had I think the next few seasons would've played out very differently.
I must admit I wasn't too unhappy to see Houllier go, but considering what followed it might have been worth keeping him even if it was in a Director of Football role or something similar. I think he had rumbled a lot of the wasters at that point and would have got them out that summer and he had apparently been lining up the likes of Cabaye. We were awful around Christmas, but had a lot of injuries and were relying on a lot of kids. When some of the more senior players came back (although not spectacular, the experience of the likes of Luke Young, Reo-Coker and Petrov was important) and we signed Bent, the results began to pick up. We finished against Liverpool with a team of:
Friedel, Walker, Dunne, Collins, L Young, Downing, A Young, Delph, Petrov, Reo-Coker, Bent
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Shall we change this thread title to Flogging Dead Horses?
With this as the theme tune https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pmUKmW4BYXM
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Think next one need to be a ex Villa player. For character and passion Olof Mellberg would be ideal.
No it does not. How often does that sort of appointment work?
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Unfortunately, I think the Houllier hypothetical would've been scuttled by lack of money in the end. I mean, we were going to raise money by selling Young that summer for sure, and probably the likes of Collins and Dunne and any other high wage earner we could convince another team on, but we basically needed an entirely new back 4 and a goalkeeper as well as N'Zogbia and Cabaye, who were both reported as being nailed-on to sign for us had Houllier stuck around. I don't know if Downing would've committed himself had Houllier stayed either - I think there was a chance. But no way Lerner would have sanctioned that sort of a spend.
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Houllier was all kinds of awesome. So was Doug Ellis. That Steve Hodge was massively misunderstood as well.
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Whoever the next manager is needs to show some PASHUN.
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Houllier was all kinds of awesome. So was Doug Ellis. That Steve Hodge was massively misunderstood as well.
I'd have all of them back, if it meant the end of this year upon year of tedious shite! 😜
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As much as it pains me, having someone like Big Sam or Pardew isn't a bad choice at the moment. We need someone that can instill discipline and desire that isn't afraid of the pressure. Both Big Sam and Pardew fit that mold and with the players that we have, I can see them working their socks off. Bruce just doesn't seem like he can motivate at the moment. Not opposed to someone completely out of the blue like a Wagner. Someone with new ideas and impetus.
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Dr T. We are FED UP. And your money is going down the drain.
The time is now.
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I'm hoping the lack of a post-match tweet augers well for a managerial vacancy tomorrow. Knowing my luck it'll be me who gets his cards.
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He can stick he's tweets........
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I have a feeling he's going to keep schtum until after the Barnsley game.
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"It's oh so quiet......"
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he's still eating his beef chow mein at Lee Ho Fook's.
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what's this latest one mean then ?
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What is it?
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What is it?
can't do them links things
something about 'dramatic changes' and those that can't handle it won't survive
or words to that effect
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he's a proper badass
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Dr. Tony XiaVerified account @Dr_TonyXia 8h8 hours ago
I believe football 'll be evolving with more dramatic changes following years.People not into all these changes won't be surviving long.
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Dr. Tony XiaVerified account @Dr_TonyXia 8h8 hours ago
I believe football 'll be evolving with more dramatic changes following years.People not into all these changes won't be surviving long.
thanks bud
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Wise words.
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When I find myself in times of trouble
Dr Tony tweets to me
Speaking words of wisdom
Let it be
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Robot football, I reckon that's what he's on about.
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Dr. Tony XiaVerified account @Dr_TonyXia 8h8 hours ago
I believe football 'll be evolving with more dramatic changes following years.People not into all these changes won't be surviving long.
No offence Dr, but this is typical speak for senior management to project an imagine that they are forward thinkers when they don't really know what is going to happen, like the rest of us. Now if he were to say exactly what he thinks will happen then we have some point of reference.
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Dr. Tony XiaVerified account @Dr_TonyXia 8h8 hours ago
I believe football 'll be evolving with more dramatic changes following years.People not into all these changes won't be surviving long.
Maybe Recon have invented time travel and he's posting from the 1980s.
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When I find myself in times of trouble
Dr Tony tweets to me
Speaking words of wisdom
Let it be
That is far better than Stiney's effort!!
He seems a cool character does the Doctor.
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Dr. Tony XiaVerified account @Dr_TonyXia 8h8 hours ago
I believe football 'll be evolving with more dramatic changes following years.People not into all these changes won't be surviving long.
Banning kebabs in the canteen at Bodymoor - Richards, Flabby and Bruce all fuming!
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The 39th Game?
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Will it still be 11 v 11 ?
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Playing some games abroad, NFL style?
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'Disruptive'.
I hate that word. Such bullshit.
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'Disruptive'.
I hate that word. Such bullshit.
Oh god yes. Saw some bloke with the job title “Disruptive Tech Entrepreneur” on LinkedIn the other day. What a twat.
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'Disruptive'.
I hate that word. Such bullshit.
Oh god yes. Saw some bloke with the job title “Disruptive Tech Entrepreneur” on LinkedIn the other day. What a twat.
LinkedIn is prime territory for words that make me want to shoot someone.
Saw someone on there the other day from a company called Disruptive Rhino.
FFS.
Pure Nathan Barley.
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Picked up a copy of SugaRape this morning as it happens.
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I picked up a copy of Church Times. I read it religiously.
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'Disruptive'.
I hate that word. Such bullshit.
Oh god yes. Saw some bloke with the job title “Disruptive Tech Entrepreneur” on LinkedIn the other day. What a twat.
LinkedIn is prime territory for words that make me want to shoot someone.
Saw someone on there the other day from a company called Disruptive Rhino.
FFS.
Pure Nathan Barley.
I wonder if we have anyone on here who would fit the title of disruptive tech entrepreneur? ;)
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'Disruptive'.
I hate that word. Such bullshit.
Oh god yes. Saw some bloke with the job title “Disruptive Tech Entrepreneur” on LinkedIn the other day. What a twat.
LinkedIn is prime territory for words that make me want to shoot someone.
Saw someone on there the other day from a company called Disruptive Rhino.
FFS.
Pure Nathan Barley.
I wonder if we have anyone on here who would fit the title of disruptive tech entrepreneur? ;)
Can't imagine who you might mean...
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Every time I go on LinkedIn I can't help but wonder how these high fliers have so much time to chat utter fart all day on there yet still maintain such ace jobs. Or so they portray.
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Every time I go on LinkedIn I can't help but wonder how these high fliers have so much time to chat utter fart all day on there yet still maintain such ace jobs. Or so they portray.
If you subscribe to my life philosophy that most rich business people in the world are rich due to blind luck rather than any kind of intelligence or ability then this makes a lot more sense.
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Every time I go on LinkedIn I can't help but wonder how these high fliers have so much time to chat utter fart all day on there yet still maintain such ace jobs. Or so they portray.
LinkedIn is a horrible mess of recruiters using it as a tool to make their jobs easier, and idiots posting "look at me, I'm ace, two years ago I was eating rats in a council house in Liverpool, now I've got a £22k job in the City" type stuff.
Oh and bullshit, meaningless motivational crap that only morons believe. The sort of thing footballers post.
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£22k job in the City? Better off staying in Liverpool.
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£22k job in the City? Better off staying in Liverpool.
A song reference I suspected nobody would get!
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That's a terrible video. Far too much footage of the band,
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£22k job in the City? Better off staying in Liverpool.
A song reference I suspected nobody would get!
Ahh...
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Every time I go on LinkedIn I can't help but wonder how these high fliers have so much time to chat utter fart all day on there yet still maintain such ace jobs. Or so they portray.
LinkedIn is used a lot more in North America than the UK so I hear. It's a handy tool when done right, but it is getting worse. I hate the people (a lot of recruiters) that tell the story of how they did something small but changed someones life for forever with the inspirational message to take a chance of someone. It's complete BS. I would love to write 'didn't happen liar' but I know that potential employers do a search on you.
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There is also the celebrating of Awards which have only been given out because the recipients sponsored the event the awards are handed out at.
The plethora of bollocks about what a great team they work with.
The stupid quotes on leadership.
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There is also the celebrating of Awards which have only been given out because the recipients sponsored the event the awards are handed out at.
The plethora of bollocks about what a great team they work with.
The stupid quotes on leadership.
Every school awards evening I've ever organised or been to fits that description, ChicagoL.
The kids, parents and staff all think it's great; and it is!
It's totally theirs and they all get recognised. No probs.
I play, 'Shine' by Aswad and it goes like a train.
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£22k job in the City? Better off staying in Liverpool.
A song reference I suspected nobody would get!
I’ve seen them in concert 12 years ago. Good band. ‘Strasbourg’ was the stand out song.
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There is also the celebrating of Awards which have only been given out because the recipients sponsored the event the awards are handed out at.
The plethora of bollocks about what a great team they work with.
The stupid quotes on leadership.
Every school awards evening I've ever organised or been to fits that description, ChicagoL.
The kids, parents and staff all think it's great; and it is!
It's totally theirs and they all get recognised. No probs.
I play, 'Shine' by Aswad and it goes like a train.
Loizie no problem and sounds great, although I am not sure the every one gets a prize culture is something I agree with.I was talking about grown ups on LinkedIn who should no better.
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I would love to write 'didn't happen liar' but I know that potential employers do a search on you.
*deletes LinkedIn account
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I've had a few bookings from LinkedIn. And Anna Tabor from the club contacted me to quote for performing match days in the corporate areas. It didn't come off though,think I pitched too high ( although I only quoted what the blues paid me last year for our game )
But the " management" speak on LinkedIn generally either annoys me or makes me laugh, depending on its severity.
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Our Tone's been fined £4,000 by the fa for comments about ref Jeremy Simpson after the win over Bolton.
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Typical FA!
Fined for telling the truth...
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Tweeting "Is the ref a AV hater?" isn't the brightest thing for a club owner to do.
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Tweeting "Is the ref a AV hater?" isn't the brightest thing for a club owner to do.
Well maybe the ref just doesn't like Audio Visual equipment
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Tweeting isn't the brightest thing for a club owner to do.
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Tweeting "Is the ref a AV hater?" isn't the brightest thing for a club owner to do.
If he hasn't learnt already he should quickly figure out that the FA don't need much of an excuse to fine the Villa.
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Tone is just going to have to learn that while we all know what he said is true and it is equally true the FA is the same as the ref. They hate us and will take any excuse to kick our club.
One day hopefully the clowns who run the FA will get the boot but until then he needs to be more subtle about showing his justified contempt for them.
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Loose change.
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Loose change.
Hopefully.
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Tone is just going to have to learn that while we all know what he said is true and it is equally true the FA is the same as the ref. They hate us and will take any excuse to kick our club.
One day hopefully the clowns who run the FA will get the boot but until then he needs to be more subtle about showing his justified contempt for them.
The FA hates us? Why?
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Tweeting isn't the brightest thing for a club owner to do.
Him and Wyness now been fine for doing it. I agree it dosen't set a good example to the manager or playing squad if the club heads are having pops at referees.
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The thing is it was a bad tackle.
If the Dr is going to tweet then it should be supportive issues involving the club, not a forum for calling people. Leave that to the likes of the Porn brothers.
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Tone is just going to have to learn that while we all know what he said is true and it is equally true the FA is the same as the ref. They hate us and will take any excuse to kick our club.
One day hopefully the clowns who run the FA will get the boot but until then he needs to be more subtle about showing his justified contempt for them.
The FA hates us? Why?
No idea about their motivations. Just noting the bias as I see it.
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Tweeting isn't the brightest thing for a club owner to do.
disagree completely. fantastic way to communicate and relate to the fans.
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Tone is just going to have to learn that while we all know what he said is true and it is equally true the FA is the same as the ref. They hate us and will take any excuse to kick our club.
One day hopefully the clowns who run the FA will get the boot but until then he needs to be more subtle about showing his justified contempt for them.
The FA hates us? Why?
We don't tend to help their worldwide 'brand' when we get to an FA cup final.
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Tone is just going to have to learn that while we all know what he said is true and it is equally true the FA is the same as the ref. They hate us and will take any excuse to kick our club.
One day hopefully the clowns who run the FA will get the boot but until then he needs to be more subtle about showing his justified contempt for them.
The FA hates us? Why?
We don't tend to help their worldwide 'brand' when we get to an FA cup final.
If we're just going on our FA Cup final appearances then I hate us too!
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Tweeting isn't the brightest thing for a club owner to do.
disagree completely. fantastic way to communicate and relate to the fans.
What does he actually communicate to the fans? what has he ever told us via Twitter? Might be my age, but I cringe when i read some of the shit he posts. A pound to the first person who reminds me that I'm not obliged to follow Xia on Twitter
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£22k job in the City? Better off staying in Liverpool.
A song reference I suspected nobody would get!
Aged as well as The Jam's rant against fat-cats 'pulling down houses to build car parks'.
"Who has the right to make that choice?
A man whose house has cost forty grand".
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Tweeting isn't the brightest thing for a club owner to do.
disagree completely. fantastic way to communicate and relate to the fans.
What does he actually communicate to the fans? what has he ever told us via Twitter? Might be my age, but I cringe when i read some of the shit he posts. A pound to the first person who reminds me that I'm not obliged to follow Xia on Twitter
Does it still count if I tell you a million times?
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Mr Xia - (Doctorship UN-CONFIRMED don't forget) ;D
Has just been fined by the FA over his twittling. About a Ref being biased or summatt...
Since he re-tweeted a 'Birthday Congratulaton' to Jimmy Saville, I believed his Twits were being checked in-house, because of his ignorance of UK culture and so on.
But he then went onto his un-intelligible and abstract equations... but NO.... a few good results and he's back to his childish bravado.
One good way of keeping in touch with fans...is a bloody public interview now and again.
Or ONCE. ;D
Basically, if you consider it's History, Mr Xia's twittles have all been about himself.
SELF-PROMOTING for fans,yes - imo - but most importantly directed to a dying doctrine of Football/Soccer INVESTMENT from the Chinese mainland.
That approval is going ...exporting Capital to the Caymans/Luxembourg etc for football/soccer is now restricted. Xia shortfall ?
Coupled with a restriction on money exiting China, via football it now includes Hollywood investments.
Mr Xia is pretty well exposed financially. One Hollywood deal collapsing, Recon being harassed in HK. Mr Xia disappears on Twitter until Steve thrashes Barnsley and Burton.
Hmmmm :D
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No...imo...not the job of an owner to Twittle to fans, especially if no fan-saught info is given.
Just Self-Praise is not 'info' for us.
Bin wary of him from the start. He's given us millions, or rather Recon have.
He's trying to sell us in HK it appears, though his PR says he's seeking "investment"..
- he doesn't Twittle about that does he ? Except to say he's seeking another kind of investment in Hollywood, after his last one was de-funded. And investment is needed for Villa.... in the long term.
Meanwhile...how are the Villa Acadamies in India and China getting on ? ;D
No Twittles about them,anymore.... after he delivered the shirts for the kids, took Photo Ops with the kids... no investment, no Acadamy
He's a chancer, a conman - imo - who has run on a long leash for a long period.
I will apologise when he lays the Foundation Stone on the Villa Theme Park or brings in millions for the Re-Naming of "Lotus Park"...unless Lotus is going belly-up as well. ;D
Lerner was a clown but always delegated football activity and saught advice from supposedly football savvy people
...MR Xia is also a clown, who condescends to fans, praises himself too often and delegated football activity to people NO OTHER CLUB would touch.
Savvy and Xia would be an oxymoron.
Rant over... just pissed that I knew what was coming at the Custard Bowl..... I blame Steve for his dinosuar and inflexible DNA...but I blame the real ignoramus and gambling man -- who it seems NEVER does wrong.
Let's hope his search for investments 'long term' in HK succeed. And they 'OUT Him' - pay him the money he's gambled on villa, sure..but get rid of him...and his stupid ego-fuelled Twitter account.
:D
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Good grief!
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Zouch...... I'm villa through-and-through.
I'm just of an age where I think Doug's shenanigans were acceptable. ;D
Lerner for a few years I thought was actually "Learning" so I rarely critiqued him on forums.
When I realised what a pr@tt he was, it was too late.
Then the soft-sell from Fox, about Xia designing the Olympic Stadium....having a Harvard Doctorate - (access denied by Xia - No Proof) - Villa Theme park - Rebranding us to Lotus Park for £X millions a year...and so on..it was getting too much for me, because NONE of it was ever proven.
Always remember ...Xia moves fast...others lay the path to dis-information..Xia just ignores it - He didn't Say It Did He ?
But it all went Xia's superstar staus amongst the naive.
So Yes...I'm really angry with Xia. Almost from Fox's lying. And Xia never explaining.
Actually NEVER explaining about ANY of his accomplishments he'd allowed others to convey...that have all turned out to be rubbish and lies.
I'm angry that he owns villa...I appreciate him draining Recon to buy cr@p players and pay over-the-top wages, to push us closer and closer to FFP Penalties.
I appreciate his gambling so much money on us..... BUT why in Hell's name did he not listen to the fans ?
EVER ?
Asking our advice, through his Twitter Account, or even a "jokey" poll would have been better than telling us, teaching us and bludgeoning us with his "Wisdom".
Steve can't change, and Colin C doesn't seem to have much impact, other than putting the cones out on a wet day....Xia can change, because he owns us, and is allowed to have a whim.
Have another Mr Xia.....ask US ;D
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Alf, for fuck sake, do one.
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I’ve decided I will read your posts through a Stephen Hawking style voice coder to help with the emphasis [smiley face>winky face>pukey face thingy].
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I had decided much the same Zouch except I read them with a Dalek voice.
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E-X-T-E-R-M-I-N-A-T-E....
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Ban the emoji
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Alf, for fuck sake, do one.
I couldn't have put it better myself
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Have never done twitter and just reading the last couple of pages I know I never will now. It''s like entering the twilight zone. I haven't a fuckin clue what most of the posts are about. Are they coded signals from a lifeform somewhere in the universe who are communicating with a few aliens that have made it to earth ?
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Waffle waffle, garbage, bullshit,
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Waffle waffle, garbage, bullshit,
Weren't those the original lyrics to Rabbit by Chas and Dave?
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Waffle waffle, garbage, bullshit,
Weren't those the original lyrics to Rabbit by Chas and Dave?
That's our midfield when we kick off in league one next season.
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Waffle waffle, garbage, bullshit,
Weren't those the original lyrics to Rabbit by Chas and Dave?
That's our midfield when we kick off in league one next season.
No doubt we’ll sign the Waffle twins on the recommendation of SAF
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It might be drivel, but it's libellous drivel and we're having no more of it. Final warning - anything else like this and you're gone.
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Sorry Dave.
I wholly retract any suggestion that Sir Alex Ferguson has heard of the Waffle twins.
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Sorry Dave.
I wholly retract any suggestion that Sir Alex Ferguson has heard of the Waffle twins.
Not you.
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No exactly well written I admit, but he's only voicing what's already been said by several other posters on here and none of them have been warned about libel …
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No exactly well written I admit, but he's only voicing what's already been said by several other posters on here and none of them have been warned about libel …
but said this out right like this 5-6 times now and has been warned about it at least once before.
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But its either libellous or its not _ whether you say it once or a thousand times.
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But its either libellous or its not _ whether you say it once or a thousand times.
It's libellous.
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To state that a person claims a doctorship (sic) fraudulently is clearly libellous and could get H and V wiped out.
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Did he say he obtained it by fraud? I read it as if he was claiming CIA didnt have one.
Anyhow, as a matter of interest what is the legal position and responsibility of h&v when posters break the law, eg racism, libel?
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Did he say he obtained it by fraud? I read it as if he was claiming CIA didnt have one.
Anyhow, as a matter of interest what is the legal position and responsibility of h&v when posters break the law, eg racism, libel?
My arse is on the line, probably.
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That's bound to provoke a bit of inspired posting .....
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Did he say he obtained it by fraud? I read it as if he was claiming CIA didnt have one.
Anyhow, as a matter of interest what is the legal position and responsibility of h&v when posters break the law, eg racism, libel?
My arse is on the line, probably.
And certainly not worth taking the risk. Billionaires tend to not like being defamed and can afford to take people to court for the hell of it.
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And writing 'allegedly' or 'IMO' is not a magic bullet.
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Did he say he obtained it by fraud? I read it as if he was claiming CIA didnt have one.
Anyhow, as a matter of interest what is the legal position and responsibility of h&v when posters break the law, eg racism, libel?
I'm not sure what you're trying to say with that first line. He lists himself as Dr Tony Xia, saying he doesn't have a doctorate is accusing him of fraudulently using the title.
The reason him being warned before is important is because saying it once and then retracting it is very different to making the claim repeatedly, both in terms of him and, more importantly, for the mods/site owner.
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Did he say he obtained it by fraud? I read it as if he was claiming CIA didnt have one.
Anyhow, as a matter of interest what is the legal position and responsibility of h&v when posters break the law, eg racism, libel?
My arse is on the line, probably.
Even if not I think its a good thing there is a line here. A bit of respect to people involved in our club should be applauded. We can want them gone or think they are bad at their jobs, but slandering them in the heat of the moment is over the line and we could all do with a reminder of that every now and again.
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I'm not particularly trying to defend alfi. Its just that he comes across as a bit of an eccentric and has,in his own way repeated what's been said before.
I agree that we don't want to be offensive let alone go beyond that, but i'd hate to stifle some of the daft posts unless its legally necessary to do so.
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The law is clear and specific. It has to be. Just being daft is no defence. Break any law, including the libel laws and you get punished.
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Seeing as his professor confirmed it, it's an outright lie.
Being a semi-literate whopper is a feature of the Defendant than a defence.
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I appreciate the website's need to protect itself but I don't see the motivation for a club's owner to take the club's fanzine website to court for libel over one outspoken fan commenting that something that is a verifiable fact isn't true. I guess in this day and age that's the way it is though.
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Then law is indeed clear. What isn't clear, to me at least, is who are the plaintiffs and who is the defendant.
If xia thinks he has libelled then he has the right to make his claim and seek redress through a court. Redress from whom is the interesting point.
At the moment all I see are some posters who mocked then style of the post, and the moderators naturally wanting to avoid a potential problem.
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Redress from the publication that published or allowed the quote. In the era of anonymous posting etc, the site is held accountable. In the same way that a newspaper would be held accountable for a story published on its pages.
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That's interesting and goes against the notion that social media sites are platforms, not publishers.
I can find a few instances where individuals have claimed that posters are libellous, for example when McAlpine asked twitter users to make a charitable donation in lieu of damages, which are analogous to the situation on here.
Another interesting point is that "Defamation law makes a distinction between statements made about a public figure and statements made about a private figure. In order to be liable for libel against a public figure, a person must have acted with “actual malice,” which is defined as either knowing that the statement in question was false or acting with reckless disregard for the truth or falsity of the statement."
So the questions seem to be (and i don't know the answers):
(1) is the Harvard doctorship issued resolved one way or the other?
(2) Did Alfie actually know the answer to (1)
(3) was he being reckless, provided that he was wrong about (1)
As a final note there a number of newspaper articles making allegations around then time he took over - he never took many action at that point.
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There comes a point in the life of very many public figures when they have no choice but to take legal action. It does not matter whether the damage is being done by a lie in a red top tabloid or a parish newsletter. The person who seeks to protect themselves has to act against the justification by the potential defendant of an action that the target never acted before when the same things were written.
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Not only does he spout libellous nonsense, he only seems to do it when we don't win a game.
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Redress from the publication that published or allowed the quote. In the era of anonymous posting etc, the site is held accountable. In the same way that a newspaper would be held accountable for a story published on its pages.
I think you're right, and I could be wrong, but I think the only defence against it is if the site never moderates any comments. The implication being that if you actively moderate comments, then you should have picked up the libellous comments and removed them. If you can prove that nothing is ever moderated, then the blame passes back to the individual who made the post. I'm sure one of our resident bone idle, fraudulent, lying solicitors like Ads or Richard can confirm if that's right. ;)
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The reality is Xia would never take H&V to court over one idiots ramblings. But that doesn't mean he shouldn't be called out for it. And frankly the style and content is almost unfathomable and given the amount of times people have commented on this I only assume deliberate. I wash over the posts as I'm sure the majority of people on here do. Shame there isn't a block feature.
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The reality is Xia would never take H&V to court over one idiots ramblings. But that doesn't mean he shouldn't be called out for it. And frankly the style and content is almost unfathomable and given the amount of times people have commented on this I only assume deliberate. I wash over the posts as I'm sure the majority of people on here do. Shame there isn't a block feature.
It's not worth taking the risk. Thee are examples out there where people have done exactly that:
https://www.lawgazette.co.uk/law/football-club-solicitor-awarded-18000-over-struck-off-libel-/5061422.article
A solicitor at Blackpool suing because he was being incorrectly described as 'struck off' on a football forum isn't a million miles away from falsely stating that Dr Xia has made up credentials. And of course, Dr Tony is a lot, lot richer than anybody connected with Blackpool.
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The reality is Xia would never take H&V to court over one idiots ramblings. But that doesn't mean he shouldn't be called out for it. And frankly the style and content is almost unfathomable and given the amount of times people have commented on this I only assume deliberate. I wash over the posts as I'm sure the majority of people on here do. Shame there isn't a block feature.
It's not worth taking the risk. Thee are examples out there where people have done exactly that:
https://www.lawgazette.co.uk/law/football-club-solicitor-awarded-18000-over-struck-off-libel-/5061422.article
A solicitor at Blackpool suing because he was being incorrectly described as 'struck off' on a football forum isn't a million miles away from falsely stating that Dr Xia has made up credentials. And of course, Dr Tony is a lot, lot richer than anybody connected with Blackpool.
I think the difference is I don't think Xia would do it to a fans forum. I do take the point though that there could be some risk there.
Frankly, I'm all for seeing less of Alfs eye hurting posts, libellous or not.
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He probably just has a few purple tins of super before he posts...
Tony that is, not Alfi 😄
Oops!
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I'd like the H&V members to take alfi to court in an attempt to prevent him posting.
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The reality is Xia would never take H&V to court over one idiots ramblings. But that doesn't mean he shouldn't be called out for it. And frankly the style and content is almost unfathomable and given the amount of times people have commented on this I only assume deliberate. I wash over the posts as I'm sure the majority of people on here do. Shame there isn't a block feature.
It's not worth taking the risk. Thee are examples out there where people have done exactly that:
https://www.lawgazette.co.uk/law/football-club-solicitor-awarded-18000-over-struck-off-libel-/5061422.article
A solicitor at Blackpool suing because he was being incorrectly described as 'struck off' on a football forum isn't a million miles away from falsely stating that Dr Xia has made up credentials. And of course, Dr Tony is a lot, lot richer than anybody connected with Blackpool.
I think the difference is I don't think Xia would do it to a fans forum. I do take the point though that there could be some risk there.
Frankly, I'm all for seeing less of Alfs eye hurting posts, libellous or not.
Just because Xia probably wouldn't take action, doesn't give a reason for taking free hits.
I like this forum because it is generally sensible and you don't have to skip half a dozen comments to get to something worth reading.
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Obviously I meant TonyErdington in my last post. Please don’t sue me Tone!
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And writing 'allegedly' or 'IMO' is not a magic bullet.
It seems to worked for Have I got News for You since time began.
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And writing 'allegedly' or 'IMO' is not a magic bullet.
It seems to worked for Have I got News for You since time began.
I think Ian Hislop likes spending time in court defending his comments.
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A journalist once told me that the reason the sunday papers including the 'fantastic lover/well endowed' part during their sordid kiss and tell stories was for the very reason for a libel claim. No one wanted to prove that it was wrong and give the papers more ammo
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The classic case was Jeffrey Archer sueing The Daily Star over the Monica Coghlan and the brown envelope story. He won massive damages (nice new lead on Ely Cathedral roof) because The Star lifted the story from The News of The World who had done all the investigation. Without the NotW evidence The Star were up smelly poo creek and it was a tap in for Archer. Moral - don't say or write something you might be called to prove in a court of law.
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And writing 'allegedly' or 'IMO' is not a magic bullet.
It seems to worked for Have I got News for You since time began.
I think Ian Hislop likes spending time in court defending his comments.
Taken from an old article in the Independent (2006) celebrating Hislop's 20 Years at Private Eye (I knew he'd had a lot of libel cases but thought I'd look into it a bit more).
One of Hislop's achievements of the last 20 years is the dubious distinction of becoming the most sued man in English legal history. "When I took over, I made a number of very pompous statements about how I was really going to cut the libel bills and this shoddy approach to libel wasn't going to exist any more. Then over the coming years, I managed to enter the Guinness Book of Records for the most money ever lost and hit a number of just huge payouts."
Particularly painful were awards to the late Robert Maxwell and to Sonia Sutcliffe, the wife of the Yorkshire Ripper, Peter Sutcliffe, who won £600,000 in libel damages from the Eye, although this sum was reduced to £60,000 on appeal.
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#tonyxia if the swans dont fly over the water they will never get to drink #believe UTV!
Is a theoretical example of his superb communication.
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You either like it or you don't.
I think Dan Brown books are shite, so I don't read them. I think the same applies here.
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You either like it or you don't.
I think Dan Brown books are shite, so I don't read them. I think the same applies here.
Winner - a shiny new (old) pound coin on its way
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which may well be worth a bob or 2
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You either like it or you don't.
I think Dan Brown books are shite, so I don't read them. I think the same applies here.
Well, not really.
Dan Brown can write WTF he likes, I won't be reading it, because it has no impact on anything I give one tenth of one shit about.
Tony Xia can tweet WTF he likes, but regardless of whether or not I read it, it has impact on something I care deeply about.
So it's really not about just not reading it if you don't like it.
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#tonyxia if the swans dont fly over the water they will never get to drink #believe UTV!
Is a theoretical example of his superb communication.
"When seagulls follow the trawler it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea,"
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Have never done twitter and just reading the last couple of pages I know I never will now. It''s like entering the twilight zone. I haven't a fuckin clue what most of the posts are about. Are they coded signals from a lifeform somewhere in the universe who are communicating with a few aliens that have made it to earth ?
😂😂
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Ban the emoji
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ignore, fake account twattery
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💔;-6!👊;🤕,🙏! #UTV
The last image was actually hands preying. It's come out like a head and shoulders on here.
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Is his account run by a 13 year old girl?
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Quite clearly means "I don't like being up when it's -6' , going to punch someone in the face and then pray.
Up the Villa.
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Is his account run by a 13 year old girl?
No, they're all too busy marrying Small Heath supporters.
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Breaks my heart when it is this cold, I’m going to punch that weather in the head and pray for forgiveness (or possibly high five somebody).
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Or he’s crying over the injury to our number 6 and is praying it isn’t too serious.
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Heartbreaking, 6 more months of watching this turgid shit, makes me want to punch things and people, if there's a god I pray to him to make it stop.
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Heartbreaking, 6 more months of watching this turgid shit, makes me want to punch things and people, if there's a god I pray to him to make it stop.
Spot on.
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Heartbreaking, 6 more months of watching this turgid shit, makes me want to punch things and people, if there's a god I pray to him to make it stop.
Then don't watch it then.
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I gave up my ST four years ago after years of total disillusionment. Now I've renewed through blind faith and feel the same as Diablo. It's a drug.
I can handle it (honest).
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If only it was that simple Clampy, yes we are just about in my mind average at the moment, I have seen us a dam sight worse, but even if they were eye bleeding painful to watch, which at times in the years I have supported them we have been, I would still proudly acclaim to all and sundry that I am a Villa fan and proud. Does not mean I cannot come onto a Villa's fans page and do what Brummie's do best, moan and then moan some more, especially when I believe I have cause.
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If only it was that simple Clampy, yes we are just about in my mind average at the moment, I have seen us a dam sight worse, but even if they were eye bleeding painful to watch, which at times in the years I have supported them we have been, I would still proudly acclaim to all and sundry that I am a Villa fan and proud. Does not mean I cannot come onto a Villa's fans page and do what Brummie's do best, moan and then moan some more, especially when I believe I have cause.
Don't get me wrong, it's fine to come on and have a moan of course it is. I just found Diablo's post so way over the top. The football is heartbreaking and makes him want to punch things? Really?
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If only it was that simple Clampy, yes we are just about in my mind average at the moment, I have seen us a dam sight worse, but even if they were eye bleeding painful to watch, which at times in the years I have supported them we have been, I would still proudly acclaim to all and sundry that I am a Villa fan and proud. Does not mean I cannot come onto a Villa's fans page and do what Brummie's do best, moan and then moan some more, especially when I believe I have cause.
Don't get me wrong, it's fine to come on and have a moan of course it is. I just found Diablo's post so way over the top. The football is heartbreaking and makes him want to punch things? Really?
Wasn't it just another interpretation of Tony's emoji tweet? That's how I read it, not as a moan.
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If only it was that simple Clampy, yes we are just about in my mind average at the moment, I have seen us a dam sight worse, but even if they were eye bleeding painful to watch, which at times in the years I have supported them we have been, I would still proudly acclaim to all and sundry that I am a Villa fan and proud. Does not mean I cannot come onto a Villa's fans page and do what Brummie's do best, moan and then moan some more, especially when I believe I have cause.
Don't get me wrong, it's fine to come on and have a moan of course it is. I just found Diablo's post so way over the top. The football is heartbreaking and makes him want to punch things? Really?
Heartbreaking, 6 more months of watching this turgid shit, makes me want to punch things and people, if there's a god I pray to him to make it stop.
Then don't watch it then.
Clampy thanks for the advice but you seem to have missed the fact that this comment was about our illustrious leaders emoji twitter post (whilst I personally think the football is pretty dire at times, rest assured that no things, people or animals were harmed in the making of this post ;-)
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I think Clampy completely missed the point of the posts. Sad face, crying, unicorn, doctor emoji.
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His actual meaning of the tweet is this - which is interesting.
Upon including the number six in his original tweet, Xia went on to explain: “It’s not meaning top 6... means we are 6 points short...”
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If only it was that simple Clampy, yes we are just about in my mind average at the moment, I have seen us a dam sight worse, but even if they were eye bleeding painful to watch, which at times in the years I have supported them we have been, I would still proudly acclaim to all and sundry that I am a Villa fan and proud. Does not mean I cannot come onto a Villa's fans page and do what Brummie's do best, moan and then moan some more, especially when I believe I have cause.
Don't get me wrong, it's fine to come on and have a moan of course it is. I just found Diablo's post so way over the top. The football is heartbreaking and makes him want to punch things? Really?
Heartbreaking, 6 more months of watching this turgid shit, makes me want to punch things and people, if there's a god I pray to him to make it stop.
Then don't watch it then.
Clampy thanks for the advice but you seem to have missed the fact that this comment was about our illustrious leaders emoji twitter post (whilst I personally think the football is pretty dire at times, rest assured that no things, people or animals were harmed in the making of this post ;-)
Just seen the tweet again and I get it now. Apologies.
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If only it was that simple Clampy, yes we are just about in my mind average at the moment, I have seen us a dam sight worse, but even if they were eye bleeding painful to watch, which at times in the years I have supported them we have been, I would still proudly acclaim to all and sundry that I am a Villa fan and proud. Does not mean I cannot come onto a Villa's fans page and do what Brummie's do best, moan and then moan some more, especially when I believe I have cause.
Don't get me wrong, it's fine to come on and have a moan of course it is. I just found Diablo's post so way over the top. The football is heartbreaking and makes him want to punch things? Really?
Heartbreaking, 6 more months of watching this turgid shit, makes me want to punch things and people, if there's a god I pray to him to make it stop.
Then don't watch it then.
Clampy thanks for the advice but you seem to have missed the fact that this comment was about our illustrious leaders emoji twitter post (whilst I personally think the football is pretty dire at times, rest assured that no things, people or animals were harmed in the making of this post ;-)
Just seen the tweet again and I get it now. Apologies.
Cheers Clampy no problem :-)
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Pretty cool.
Dr Tony is back in town next week for our home matches against Sunderland and Ipswich Town – and you could enjoy one of those games in his company.
Our popular owner is welcoming four Villans and a guest each to enjoy the matchday experience with him for the back-to-back home games.
https://www.avfc.co.uk/News/2017/11/15/sit-with-xia-for-sunderland-and-ipswich
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it would be like sitting next to Hong Kong Fuey on industrial strength crack if we mess up any of those 2
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https://twitter.com/Dr_TonyXia/status/931530723386904577
Jesus Christ.
The chairman running the squad through a powerpoint about smart cities in a room with one of his motivational quotes stencilled on the wall.
Hmmm.
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Presumably they all left having bought property in China.
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https://twitter.com/Dr_TonyXia/status/931530723386904577
Jesus Christ.
The chairman running the squad through a powerpoint about smart cities in a room with one of his motivational quotes stencilled on the wall.
Hmmm.
I would sooner have that than an owner who doesnt give a shit.
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I would rather he be in a room with Steve Bruce telling him get it sorted, where we are at the moment is not good enough, sort it or bye bye.
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https://twitter.com/Dr_TonyXia/status/931530723386904577
Jesus Christ.
The chairman running the squad through a powerpoint about smart cities in a room with one of his motivational quotes stencilled on the wall.
Hmmm.
I would sooner have that than an owner who doesnt give a shit.
Agreed. I don’t see a problem in this at all. It might not be the most sophisticated audience he’s ever presented in front of but doesn’t mean the players shouldn’t get a glimpse into the world of the owner. He clearly cares about the club and his other work which we all hope in time will benefit the club and the city.
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https://twitter.com/Dr_TonyXia/status/931530723386904577
Jesus Christ.
The chairman running the squad through a powerpoint about smart cities in a room with one of his motivational quotes stencilled on the wall.
Hmmm.
Feck me what an ego!
Mind you I’d take Xia over the previous owner every single day of the week. At least he’s interested.
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What has that awful green colour got to do with Aston Villa?
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https://twitter.com/Dr_TonyXia/status/931530723386904577
Jesus Christ.
The chairman running the squad through a powerpoint about smart cities in a room with one of his motivational quotes stencilled on the wall.
Hmmm.
Feck me what an ego!
Mind you I’d take Xia over the previous owner every single day of the week. At least he’s interested.
Randy gave a presentation on everything I know about running a successful Sports Team, it was short.
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‘Do not concentrate on the finger or you will miss all of the heavenly glory!’
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'Remember this. When you point a finger at someone else, three are pointing back at you.'
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Lerner was interested at first he would still be here if he had appointed better managers but he didn’t and that was his downfall
the present owner will be as good as his management appointments everything else around the club comes a distant second
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If we are credeting Doug with MON's appointment then out of the five Lerner appointments only Lambert's seemed a good idea at the time. Houllier - out of management for a while and health issues. McLeish - just been relegated from the PL. Sherwood - little managerial experience and thrown into a relegation battle. Garde - no experience of managing in England and thrown into a relegation battle (given time to sort it as it was 'early doors' but no money to help him sort it). We really did write the manual that should have been called 'How To Get Relegated - (if at first you don't succeed, keep trying)'.
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Dr T on yesterday's complaints about AVTV:
https://twitter.com/Dr_TonyXia/status/931962155452239872 (https://twitter.com/Dr_TonyXia/status/931962155452239872)
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What’s he on about now??
Some Villa haters went extremely ugly by spreading rumors around saying I was caught in trouble and escaped away, made the public listed companies' minor shareholders panic to drop stocks. It's really ugly 🖕for those deliberately trying to destroy others. #OnlyBeStronger
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He's gone all Donald Trump. #Sad
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#fakenews #orange
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What’s he on about now??
Some Villa haters went extremely ugly by spreading rumors around saying I was caught in trouble and escaped away, made the public listed companies' minor shareholders panic to drop stocks. It's really ugly 🖕for those deliberately trying to destroy others. #OnlyBeStronger
The inevitable danger and consequence of giving him 280 characters.
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yes I always thought he was schizophrenic too.
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Apparently rumours being spread of Villa suppliers not being paid promptly and generally him not having a pot to piss in and he’s not happy.
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For an owner of multiple businesses and all round entrepreneur he’s very thin skinned.
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https://twitter.com/Dr_TonyXia/status/933400306234339329
Alright, hand up. Which one of you on here is Prince William?
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Apparently rumours being spread of Villa suppliers not being paid promptly and generally him not having a pot to piss in and he’s not happy.
I don't blame him fpr being unhappy. It patently is not true, why should he put up with it. I would be livid if in the same position.
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Apparently rumours being spread of Villa suppliers not being paid promptly and generally him not having a pot to piss in and he’s not happy.
I don't blame him fpr being unhappy. It patently is not true, why should he put up with it. I would be livid if in the same position.
Playing devil's advocate, how is it 'patently' not true - I've no idea on what terms our suppliers are paid, do you?
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https://twitter.com/Dr_TonyXia/status/933400306234339329
Alright, hand up. Which one of you on here is Prince William?
Somebody who is well educated and who keeps correcting the grammar in posts is my guess.
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Apparently rumours being spread of Villa suppliers not being paid promptly and generally him not having a pot to piss in and he’s not happy.
I don't blame him fpr being unhappy. It patently is not true, why should he put up with it. I would be livid if in the same position.
Playing devil's advocate, how is it 'patently' not true - I've no idea on what terms our suppliers are paid, do you?
The big companies, supermarkets anyway, are always the last to pay.
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https://twitter.com/Dr_TonyXia/status/933400306234339329
Alright, hand up. Which one of you on here is Prince William?
Somebody who is well educated and who keeps correcting the grammar in posts is my guess.
That narrows it down to about 3000 of us.
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Apparently rumours being spread of Villa suppliers not being paid promptly and generally him not having a pot to piss in and he’s not happy.
I don't blame him fpr being unhappy. It patently is not true, why should he put up with it. I would be livid if in the same position.
Playing devil's advocate, how is it 'patently' not true - I've no idea on what terms our suppliers are paid, do you?
The big companies, supermarkets anyway, are always the last to pay.
Actually Supermarkets pay quicker than most businesses in the UK.
There are some exceptions.
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Depends what your SLA is.
Christ we're boring.
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I see the Villa account reports he scored the winner in a staff match. Reminded me of the time the late Kim King il had eleven holes in one on the only occasion he played golf.
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beginners luck?
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A new Recon company who’s registered office is based at Villa Park was incorporated on 17th November. Hope it’s not the Phoenix company in waiting....joke joke.
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Just seen the Leon Clarke tweet.
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Speaking to Villa’s official website, Xia said: “In terms of strengthening, everyone knows that for January we have the FFP to look at. But very possibly we will bring in a couple of loans to strengthen our squad. We want to keep getting better and better and help us end the season well.
“I hope in the next summer window, if we can go up, there will be a collection of more of my maths equations. Our ambition is that if we go up we won’t be satisfied to just stay there. We want to go back to being one of the elite clubs in the division.
“In order to achieve that, we will have to bring in some high-level players. I know this.
“But also, I have been impressed with our U23s players too, I must say. I like to watch the U23 training. We can see (Callum) O’Hare, (Keinan) Davis, (Jake) Doyle-Hayes, (Mitch) Clark and (Easah) Suliman coming through. There’s also (Andre) Green and (Jack) Grealish who have made that journey. We have a group of very good young players.
“I was chatting the other day and pondering whether in the next few years we could have a ‘late 1990s and early 2000s team’ - with people born in the late 1990s and early 2000s creating the ‘star Villa academy product team’."
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With the current FFP noose hanging above our heads, will we have any money too spend in July 2018, if we get promoted?
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With the current FFP noose hanging above our heads, will we have any money too spend in July 2018, if we get promoted?
Yes, that's a whole new ball game then.
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I’m encouraged by what the Doc says should we go up. I’m just concerned at who we might target in lashing out a lot of money. What would consistute a Bruce signing at that level? Looking at the money being spent in the PL it is so easy to waste millions and millions. Exhibit A - Everton. But if spent wisely it can be very effective.
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I’m encouraged by what the Doc says should we go up. I’m just concerned at who we might target in lashing out a lot of money. What would consistute a Bruce signing at that level? Looking at the money being spent in the PL it is so easy to waste millions and millions. Exhibit A - Everton. But if spent wisely it can be very effective.
Exhibit B,C&D us before we got relegated.
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Just seen the Leon Clarke tweet.
What did it say please?
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With the current FFP noose hanging above our heads, will we have any money too spend in July 2018, if we get promoted?
Yes, that's a whole new ball game then.
Do we 'start from scratch' then? Or is it that the certainty of PL payments at the end of 2018/19 allows us to spend it in advance, despite any carry over of previous losses?
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@Dr_TonyXia - “We have very big plans for Villa Park. We finished a plan in China a few weeks ago. We handed it to the management team here. It’s fair to say they were shocked. It will be something really different from what we can imagine from other clubs" #AVFC
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@Dr_TonyXia - “We have very big plans for Villa Park. We finished a plan in China a few weeks ago. We handed it to the management team here. It’s fair to say they were shocked. It will be something really different from what we can imagine from other clubs" #AVFC
What a tease!
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It's going to be dismantled piece by piece , boxed up, and shipped to Shanghai where it will be rebuilt on The Bund. We will have to play one League game per season there and rest of the time it will be a museum of football.
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@Dr_TonyXia - “We have very big plans for Villa Park. We finished a plan in China a few weeks ago. We handed it to the management team here. It’s fair to say they were shocked. It will be something really different from what we can imagine from other clubs" #AVFC
Beer served and allowed to be drunk in all seats through the entire game?
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It's a ginormous space behind the North so there's plenty of wiggle room to do anything.
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A roof?
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Fan zone area? , I wonder what time scale they are looking to do it in?
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When we go up!
Sounds like phase 1.
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Dr Tony is saying he’s going to be posting less on Twitter in future.
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It's a ginormous space behind the North so there's plenty of wiggle room to do anything.
Being able to wiggle in the North Stand seats will certainly be a novelty
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Tony Xia has revealed plans to make changes to Villa Park’s North Stand to give it a ‘more modern style’.
The Aston Villa owner has been putting plans in place to redevelop Villa Park since buying out previous owner Randy Lerner and has held meetings with Birmingham City council chiefs about his plans.
But those plans have edged closer in recent weeks with Xia presenting them to his fellow Villa bigwigs - and the feedback has encouraged the Chinese.
“We have very big plans for Villa Park," Xia told Villa's official website. "We finished a plan in China a few weeks ago. We handed it to the management team here. It’s fair to say they were shocked.
“It will be something really different from what we can imagine from other clubs.
“One element will involve the North Stand, which I know people talk about a lot.
“The main point I want to make is it will have a very modern style but will definitely keep the historic feel, which is very important.
“But in terms of the whole plan? I am confident people will like it. People who have seen the plan love the plan.”
Wonder what it is. He reckons we can go to 70k on the current site.
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Show us the plan as well please.
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He can't, it's so good it's like the contents of the suitcase in Pulp Fiction.
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It's a ginormous space behind the North so there's plenty of wiggle room to do anything.
Being able to wiggle in the North Stand seats will certainly be a novelty
Only part of the ground I've never been in (silver the old ticket office) but I understand the lower tier seats are very cramped on the old terracing.
I'd like to see the lower tier of a new north stand really dwarf the lower Witton Lane. I think it would make for a much better atmosphere with the away fans adjacent.
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Make all the spectator seats like those nice racing car ones they have on the bench. Make em heated as well and I wouldnt leave :)
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@Dr_TonyXia - “We have very big plans for Villa Park. We finished a plan in China a few weeks ago. We handed it to the management team here. It’s fair to say they were shocked. It will be something really different from what we can imagine from other clubs" #AVFC
To me the North Stand remains a monument to stagnation, lack of ambition and corruption. A new stand will be a new start for the club. Bring it on Dr X.
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@Dr_TonyXia - “We have very big plans for Villa Park. We finished a plan in China a few weeks ago. We handed it to the management team here. It’s fair to say they were shocked. It will be something really different from what we can imagine from other clubs" #AVFC
To me the North Stand remains a monument to stagnation, lack of ambition and corruption. A new stand will be a new start for the club. Bring it on Dr X.
When it was built, and for a good few years after, it was much admired.
You think Lerner would have upgraded it though.
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The North Stand is an ugly outdated building. It needs flattening as soon as possible.
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It's a ginormous space behind the North so there's plenty of wiggle room to do anything.
Being able to wiggle in the North Stand seats will certainly be a novelty
Only part of the ground I've never been in (silver the old ticket office) but I understand the lower tier seats are very cramped on the old terracing.
I'd like to see the lower tier of a new north stand really dwarf the lower Witton Lane. I think it would make for a much better atmosphere with the away fans adjacent.
I have only sat in there once, in 2006, in the upper, and it was incredibly uncomfortable. I am 6'2 so quite tall but not hugely so, but I had the (sharp) edge of the back of the seat in front digging into my knees for 90 minutes.
I'd never sit there again.
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I am 5 ft 8 (just about) and it is cramped for me.
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I would never sit in the North Stand again. Even Tyrion Lannister would find it a squeeze.
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I too have only sat there once, I assume the leg room was designed with children and midgets in mind.
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The views are good though.
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I sat in the upper when Collymore scored against Madrid, I'd bought Villa Park 100 years Simon Inglis from the club shop, put it under my seat, and some fucker nicked it.
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you're never far from a villain
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I too have only sat there once, I assume the leg room was designed with children and midgets in mind.
Douglas Bader more like (one for the youth of today)
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less of that please, disability is not a subject to be mocked in a thread about the size of football stadium seats
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less of that please, disability is not a subject to be mocked in a thread about the size of football stadium seats
Seriously - Who is mocking a disability?
Merely used as a reference point - albeit I concede lost on certain age generations
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less of that please, disability is not a subject to be mocked in a thread about the size of football stadium seats
Maybe, but it would be still worse to mock disability in a thread about disability.
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At six foot four, its me with a disability for trying to sit in the North Stand. Fantastic view, but appalling ergonomics. Ryanair seats are an absolute luxury after this.
I got the Bader reference by the way, he would have laughed
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At six foot four, its me with a disability for trying to sit in the North Stand. Fantastic view, but appalling ergonomics. Ryanair seats are an absolute luxury after this.
I got the Bader reference by the way, he would have laughed
He would have laughed his socks off.
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I'm sure that is sockist about people who don't have socks
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I'm sure that is sockist about people who don't have socks
You're darn right it is.
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less of that please, disability is not a subject to be mocked in a thread about the size of football stadium seats
Behave
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I am if you find jokes about people with no legs funny, fine.
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The views are good though.
It became my favourite stand for that reason-didn't like it with the away fans underneath though. Seats were cheap too (I have short legs). The Witton End was also a favourite and I rarely went on the Holte, strange I know but it could be a real crush (anyone remember them?) in the Holte. Of course you got piss wet in the Witton, but that used to be true of other parts of the ground as well.
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What do you call a girl with no arms and no legs rolling around on the beach?
Sandy
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less of that please, disability is not a subject to be mocked in a thread about the size of football stadium seats
Agreed.
I heard an interview with Warwick Davis a while back and he said that the term “midget” was highly offensive to short people, a bit like the “N” word to describe black people.
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less of that please, disability is not a subject to be mocked in a thread about the size of football stadium seats
Agreed.
I heard an interview with Warwick Davis a while back and he said that the term “midget” was highly offensive to short people, a bit like the “N” word to describe black people.
They usually use the term dwarf as the common name is dwarfism. I wouldn't get too exercised by humour but it is wise to be considerate.
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I am if you find jokes about people with no legs funny, fine.
I thought pretty much the basis of humour is laughing at some one or something? Im not saying what is right or wrong, however, if you had a face like mine, you need to be able to laugh at yourself.
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laughing at someone who has lost a limb isn't funny though is it? I can't remember names off hand but I'm sure the young women that lost limbs at Alton Towers wouldn't find it amusing in the least.
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laughing at someone who has lost a limb isn't funny though is it? I can't remember names off hand but I'm sure the young women that lost limbs at Alton Towers wouldn't find it amusing in the least.
Only no-one was laughing at the person with no legs. Simply using their name as a cultural metaphor.
If Hookey had said "(legroom designed for) a man with no legs", that wouldn't have been funny. By inserting the name of the most famous person with no legs, it takes a fraction longer to understand and becomes humorous.
God help us if anyone mentions Stevie Wonder.
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(https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/500x/46984242/ill-see-what-i-can-do.jpg)
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laughing at someone who has lost a limb isn't funny though is it? I can't remember names off hand but I'm sure the young women that lost limbs at Alton Towers wouldn't find it amusing in the least.
Nobody was laughing at Douglas Bader, though, were they?
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cultural metaphor my arse. It wasn't funny end of.
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Don't anyone Google what his dog was called - it will break the site ;)
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Don't anyone Google what his dog was called - it will break the site ;)
I don't think he has a dog but there are lots of Stevie Wonder dogs ...
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Jeez - this "what can I be offended about on behalf of others" gets done too much.
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IS still the Tony's Tweet thread???
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Jeez - this "what can I be offended about on behalf of others" gets done too much.
Well on behalf of those who might be offended on behalf of others I must say I find this comment deeply offensive.
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Don't anyone Google what his dog was called - it will break the site ;)
What, Rover?
Guy Gibson's dog, on the other hand...
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Steady on now. Someone might start an e-petition to 'do their bit' for disabilities.
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Dig for Victory!
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It's the poor, oppressed Dams I feel sorry for.
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Latest:
A hectic work& business travel schedule month.Just recovering from one week serious flu. No enough free time and most time inaccessible to Twitter. Hopefully it will also end the ‘disaster month’ with a win! Time to recovery! #AVFC
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Well, I’m reassured.
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well i wouldn't really call that a vote of confidence. Just a nothing tweet to me,
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If Tony was a hugely sucessful multi billionaire would he really stand for Wimbledon long ball bollocks in 8th place in the second division?
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Aims-
To be among the best in the world within 5 years...
To regenerate not only Villa Park but the entire area...
To increase the capacity to 60,000.....
Hires Steve Bruce.
Doesn't make any sense because it is bullshit.
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The next three and a half years should be exciting......
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Aims-
To be among the best in the world within 5 years...
To regenerate not only Villa Park but the entire area...
To increase the capacity to 60,000.....
Hires Steve Bruce.
Doesn't make any sense because it is bullshit.
It’s not bullshit. He was brought in to get us promoted as part of those plans. Something he has achieved a number of times in the past. No different to hiring Warnock who is doing a stellar job at Cardiff. Bruce is failing badly on why he was brought to the club. Doesn’t make the strategic long term goals wrong or misguided.
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It is utterly meaningless until we see something which suggests it is plausible.
We haven't, though. Absolutely nothing.
I want Xia to be the Messiah too but I'll hold off from proclaiming him to be it until i see at least one piece of evidence to suggest there is some truth in it.
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Yes one massive splurge in the transfer market funded by money that was coming into the club anyway followed by sell to buy policies under the smokescreen of ffp.
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Yes one massive splurge in the transfer market funded by money that was coming into the club anyway followed by sell to buy policies under the smokescreen of ffp.
stop it your scaring me now
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Sorry John I didn’t mean to.
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The next three and a half years should be exciting......
Hold on to your seats.
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I still think there’s an owner in there somewhere
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I still think there’s an owner in there somewhere
Clappy thing.
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We’ll know in fairly short order.
1. The manager situation
2. Those accounts. Due, I believe Feb latest, they should highlight both the FFP and HSBC situations
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P.S. Whatever we’ve borrowed from HSBC it’s at 3% above base rates, and appears to be backed by Recon Sport’s assets. Villa. One wonders how much Tony has borrowed against us.
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P.S. Whatever we’ve borrowed from HSBC it’s at 3% above base rates, and appears to be backed by Recon Sport’s assets. Villa. One wonders how much Tony has borrowed against us.
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If there is only the one charge outstanding HSBC) the Accounts should reveal that, if he has unsecured borrowings against the Club that is of less concern.
As mentioned at the time of the acquisition it is almost impossible to find out the value and ownership of Chinese entity’s.
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P.S. Whatever we’ve borrowed from HSBC it’s at 3% above base rates, and appears to be backed by Recon Sport’s assets. Villa. One wonders how much Tony has borrowed against us.
If there is only the one charge outstanding HSBC) the Accounts should reveal that, if he has unsecured borrowings against the Club that is of less concern.
As mentioned at the time of the acquisition it is almost impossible to find out the value and ownership of Chinese entity’s.
It’s secured against Villa, so that’s why I said it’d be revealed in the accounts, due Feb (in theory).
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Aims-
To be among the best in the world within 5 years...
To regenerate not only Villa Park but the entire area...
To increase the capacity to 60,000.....
Hires Steve Bruce.
Doesn't make any sense because it is bullshit.
It’s not bullshit. He was brought in to get us promoted as part of those plans. Something he has achieved a number of times in the past. No different to hiring Warnock who is doing a stellar job at Cardiff. Bruce is failing badly on why he was brought to the club. Doesn’t make the strategic long term goals wrong or misguided.
You want to become one of the best sides in Europe, you have a huge financial advantage over everyone in the league. You hire Steve Bruce.
Let that sink in.
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Aims-
To be among the best in the world within 5 years...
To regenerate not only Villa Park but the entire area...
To increase the capacity to 60,000.....
Hires Steve Bruce.
Doesn't make any sense because it is bullshit.
It’s not bullshit. He was brought in to get us promoted as part of those plans. Something he has achieved a number of times in the past. No different to hiring Warnock who is doing a stellar job at Cardiff. Bruce is failing badly on why he was brought to the club. Doesn’t make the strategic long term goals wrong or misguided.
You want to become one of the best sides in Europe, you have a huge financial advantage over everyone in the league. You hire Steve Bruce.
Let that sink in.
So based on those goals did you expect us to go get Ancelotti? Was that realistic? You can still set long term strategic objectives but recognize there are shorter term tactical steps to achieve them.
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Aims-
To be among the best in the world within 5 years...
To regenerate not only Villa Park but the entire area...
To increase the capacity to 60,000.....
Hires Steve Bruce.
Doesn't make any sense because it is bullshit.
It’s not bullshit. He was brought in to get us promoted as part of those plans. Something he has achieved a number of times in the past. No different to hiring Warnock who is doing a stellar job at Cardiff. Bruce is failing badly on why he was brought to the club. Doesn’t make the strategic long term goals wrong or misguided.
You want to become one of the best sides in Europe, you have a huge financial advantage over everyone in the league. You hire Steve Bruce.
Let that sink in.
So based on those goals did you expect us to go get Ancelotti? Was that realistic? You can still set long term strategic objectives but recognize there are shorter term tactical steps to achieve them.
Villa don't do tactical steps. In fact we do nothing tactically.
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The tactical step was to go get the unemployed clogger who is known for playing long ball garbage and getting some teams up through the play offs?
Newcastle kept Benitez. We hired play off chancer potato. Who's notoriously shit in the top division. So the Villa engine includes hiring a manager with the intention of sacking him should he get you promoted? It all doesn't make any sense.
There are no riches, there is no Villa engine. We don't know what we are doing. We are in chancer territory again. This is going to end like the Lerner shambles.
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So based on those goals did you expect us to go get Ancelotti? Was that realistic? You can still set long term strategic objectives but recognize there are shorter term tactical steps to achieve them.
It's not about getting ancelotti, or klopp, or pep or anyone on that level, it's about getting managers who can create a base for the next one to work with, and keep following the plan even if things don't turn around straight away. We should be up in the top half of the premier league, the stadium, facilities, fan base, history/recognition are all in place for it but for years we've had no identity. You can only go for so long with no guiding strategy before you get found out and the whole trip will see you waste fuck loads of money because no one is looking at a plan and deciding that the manager making the calls or the players he's signing fit with what we're trying to do.
We need to fuck Bruce off and copy whatever plans Round has come up with for the 'engine' onto the first team and see which players sink and swim. The concept Round has created might not be what we need, and if it isn't he'll be found out and we'll have to start over, but at least there will be some strategic thinking in place. We've spent too long hanging on to the past and seen club after club grow-up and overtake us, it needs to change, we need someone on the board to grow some balls and put their head on the line to say "give me 3/4/5 years to do xyz and lets stick to it through thick and thin". I can't see Wyness having the backbone for that though.
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I wonder if they discussed the Villa Engine with Bruce before he joined.
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I'm not sure they did, wasn't the villa engine announced fairly recently? I just don't see how it fits with Steve Bruce unless it's how hard we train our players to punt it.
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I’m completely out of touch these days, we have an engine now?
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Aston Villa's metamorphosis: The new philosophy that is shaping the club's transformation
Keith Wyness reveals the club's new mantra as Aston Villa continues to rebuild
BY STEVE WOLLASTON
20:07, 5 SEP 2017
Aston Villa CEO Keith Wyness has today revealed that the club have a new motto that is at the centre of the club's transformation.
Wyness calls it the 'Villa Engine' and explains that it is an important philosophy that everyone at the club is buying into.
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We’ve got a bunch of fucking idiots running our football club.
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Bit harsh. I mean Tone/Wyness went and hired a champions league winning manager who had experience in the Championship. He had a veyr bad run so they binned him. Then they hired promotion specialist Steve Bruce who clearly now is not working out either but it was a decent plan even if I was opposed.
They will be idiots of they dont sack him in January though. I still have enough respect for Xia & Wyness's intelligence that I assume they are already talking about the next manager. Thats just blind faith by the way no ITK. Xia in particular just seems very consistent in his philosophy. He wants to win here at Villa so he hires winners. If they stop being winners he gets rid.
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I’m completely out of touch these days, we have an engine now?
Most assuredly; Cosher Bailey is the chief engineer.
Cosher Bailey had an engine
It was always wanting mending,
And according to the power,
She could do four miles an hour
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The next two games will tell the story if we don't get useful points out of them he will be gone.
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The Villa Engine...
(http://image.ibb.co/ihdsPw/Villa_Engine.jpg) (http://imgbb.com/)
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It's the funny shaped steering wheel that is stopping us going in the right direction.
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The Villa engine seems ok for 10 minutes . Its the other 70 minutes which is the problem.
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The Villa engine seems ok for 10 minutes . Its the other 70 minutes which is the problem.
Whomever came up with the phrase, should be sacked on the spot, since it shows a total lack of reality to what has been occurring on the pitch. Its a piss take.
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The first team don't even train/play The Villa Engine, do they? If they do, fuck me, what's the point!
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The Villa engine seems ok for 10 minutes . Its the other 70 minutes which is the problem.
Whomever came up with the phrase, should be sacked on the spot, since it shows a total lack of reality to what has been occurring on the pitch. Its a piss take.
When I saw that interview with him when he came out with that bollocks I knew we were in deep shit.
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I reckon he may have gambled what little he did or didn’t have and is now left hoping it works out as there is nothing left. Any go getting chairman would have pulled the trigger a long time ago.
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As Paulie has said many a time, without transparent accounts for Recon we have no idea how much Xia has or does not have. FFP seems to be a convenient fig leaf at the moment - we may have billions in reserve but no permission to spend it. Our owner makes the right noises and has put up a load of cash thus far, and that's more or less all we can go on.
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We don’t know for sure that the owner “has put up a load of cash”. There are the parachute payments and that loan from HSBC.
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We don’t know for sure that the owner “has put up a load of cash”. There are the parachute payments and that loan from HSBC.
Personally, i have always seen him as nothing more than the public face for others. Those others now seeing any investment is high risk, and pulled the plug, leaving tony with a headache. By next xmas, we will have new owners, and the whole sorry process begins again.
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Don't agree with the owner-bashing on here. I like his tweets which strike a good balance between regular business communication and friendliness. I have no reason to criticise him-he seems to be focused and prepared to back up his words. His mistakes so far? Not picking the right manager-which puts him in the same bracket as Lerner. The only good word I have for Doug is that he was very good at spotting a manager and at least Xia seems to be prepared to act. Bruce and RDM looked like reasonably good picks for the short term but like many others I would have preferred Rowett or one of the more energetic managers who will only play gratfers rather than expensive has-beens. Mind you-Terry seems to be an exception here and wouldn't mind seeing him in a caretaker role to the end of the season.
My bet is Bruce goes after Boro-but we'll see.
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It isn't owner bashing to point out that there is no evidence of him putting any of his own money into the club yet - until we see the accounts - when people say he has.
I am in no way suggesting he is any kind of shyster, I am just pointing out that some people routinely refer to him as munificent when actually, there is no evidence to back that up.
Correspondingly things like HSBC taking a charge on the club are glossed over.
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Don't agree with the owner-bashing on here. I like his tweets which strike a good balance between regular business communication and friendliness. I have no reason to criticise him-he seems to be focused and prepared to back up his words. His mistakes so far? Not picking the right manager-which puts him in the same bracket as Lerner. The only good word I have for Doug is that he was very good at spotting a manager and at least Xia seems to be prepared to act. Bruce and RDM looked like reasonably good picks for the short term but like many others I would have preferred Rowett or one of the more energetic managers who will only play gratfers rather than expensive has-beens. Mind you-Terry seems to be an exception here and wouldn't mind seeing him in a caretaker role to the end of the season.
My bet is Bruce goes after Boro-but we'll see.
I can't speak from personal experience of Doug first time around, but as for being really good at spotting a manager he didn't do too well with Turner, McNeil and Venglos and was lucky SGT, BFR and MON (who he takes took the credit for but I don't think would have joined if it wasn't for the imminent takeover) all wanted the job so much. DOL had one decent season then it all went sour. So I would say his strike rate second time around was three out of seven.
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Don't agree with the owner-bashing on here. I like his tweets which strike a good balance between regular business communication and friendliness. I have no reason to criticise him-he seems to be focused and prepared to back up his words. His mistakes so far? Not picking the right manager-which puts him in the same bracket as Lerner. The only good word I have for Doug is that he was very good at spotting a manager and at least Xia seems to be prepared to act. Bruce and RDM looked like reasonably good picks for the short term but like many others I would have preferred Rowett or one of the more energetic managers who will only play gratfers rather than expensive has-beens. Mind you-Terry seems to be an exception here and wouldn't mind seeing him in a caretaker role to the end of the season.
My bet is Bruce goes after Boro-but we'll see.
I can't speak from personal experience of Doug first time around, but as for being really good at spotting a manager he didn't do too well with Turner, McNeil and Venglos and was lucky SGT, BFR and MON (who he takes took the credit for but I don't think would have joined if it wasn't for the imminent takeover) all wanted the job so much. DOL had one decent season then it all went sour. So I would say his strike rate second time around was three out of seven.
Little? Gregory?
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Please, no more Ellis debate. Please.
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Something I really don't like about some of these new fangled owner types is when they walk on to the pitch to take the acclaim of the crowd. Well done, you've bought a football club that you have absolutely no previous attachment to no doubt in the hope of raising your or whoevers profile and making some money along the way. Unless of course you're Randy Lerner.
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Jury still out on Xia until Accounts are out.
It would be good to see any explanation of the FFP situation if any one has any thoughts.
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Something I really don't like about some of these new fangled owner types is when they walk on to the pitch to take the acclaim of the crowd. Well done, you've bought a football club that you have absolutely no previous attachment to no doubt in the hope of raising your or whoevers profile and making some money along the way. Unless of course you're Randy Lerner.
I don't have too much of a problem with it. It was kind of an introduction, a way of saying hello to the fans.
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Dr tony I am 110% sure wants it to work at a he villa. Just he bought a pit of a club with so much baggage and an ever increasing demanding fan base
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Dr tony I am 110% sure wants it to work at a he villa. Just he bought a pit of a club with so much baggage and an ever increasing demanding fan base
I’m pretty much with him, dotty Tweets and all. But that loan was taken out in October 2016 at 3% above base rate. What was it for - paying for the January spree? General stuff? Or, in the very worst case, loading the purchase price back onto the club?
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Something I really don't like about some of these new fangled owner types is when they walk on to the pitch to take the acclaim of the crowd. Well done, you've bought a football club that you have absolutely no previous attachment to no doubt in the hope of raising your or whoevers profile and making some money along the way. Unless of course you're Randy Lerner.
I don't have too much of a problem with it. It was kind of an introduction, a way of saying hello to the fans.
Once, I can sort of understand but absolutely no need to do it ever again.
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Something I really don't like about some of these new fangled owner types is when they walk on to the pitch to take the acclaim of the crowd. Well done, you've bought a football club that you have absolutely no previous attachment to no doubt in the hope of raising your or whoevers profile and making some money along the way. Unless of course you're Randy Lerner.
I don't have too much of a problem with it. It was kind of an introduction, a way of saying hello to the fans.
Once, I can sort of understand but absolutely no need to do it ever again.
Has he done it more than once? I remember the first time he did it. I don't recall him doing it since. Mind you, we do tend to get in around 5 minutes before kick off.
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Seem to recall him appearing at a match this season.
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Seem to recall him appearing at a match this season.
He did it on his last visit. About 4-6 weeks ago I would guess.
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I really don't see what's changed under Xia. We are pretty much as bad as we were under Lerner and who knows how bad behind the scenes, what we do hear about doesn't exactly fill me with any sort of confidence and the sporadic nonsensical tweeting is as bad as hearing next to nothing like we did under Lerner.
Bruce has produced sporadic blips of performances amongst a sea of fucking dross albeit he's done it in the Championship and Lambert managed it in the Premiership.
Meet the new boss, same as the old boss, out of his depth and surrounded by people who haven't got a fucking clue so it would seem.
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If we were doing better on he pitch what the owner was doing off it would be entirely irrelevant. He’s provided significant resources to the two managers he’s employed. However those resources came about as the owner of the business he could have decided not to spend it but he did. And the resources provided should have been more than enough to see us doing much better than we are.
We continue to obsess over the owner when the finger should be pointed firmly at the manager and his inability to get the players playing to a level reflective of the investment made in them.
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Seem to recall him appearing at a match this season.
He did it on his last visit. About 4-6 weeks ago I would guess.
It was against Ipswich. The last time we played well, come on Tony we need you on the pitch again!
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If we were doing better on he pitch what the owner was doing off it would be entirely irrelevant. He’s provided significant resources to the two managers he’s employed. However those resources came about as the owner of the business he could have decided not to spend it but he did. And the resources provided should have been more than enough to see us doing much better than we are.
We continue to obsess over the owner when the finger should be pointed firmly at the manager and his inability to get the players playing to a level reflective of the investment made in them.
You could have said that at any time in the past seven (at least) years.
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The Villa engine seems ok for 10 minutes . Its the other 70 minutes which is the problem.
Whomever came up with the phrase, should be sacked on the spot, since it shows a total lack of reality to what has been occurring on the pitch. Its a piss take.
ok the 'Villa engine' sounds a bit cringy but I think it's exactly what we have needed for years
a clear football philosophy running right through the club at all levels
the big problem is we have the Steve Bruce football philosophy at the top at the moment so it all turns into a bit of a shit sandwich
bit like saying we are going to enter the 'Le Mans 24 hours' race and then turning up in a Datson Sunny
if and when we go for a new manager this football philosophy or Villa engine call it whatever you want ought to be paramount in importance to whoever we bring in
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If we were doing better on he pitch what the owner was doing off it would be entirely irrelevant. He’s provided significant resources to the two managers he’s employed. However those resources came about as the owner of the business he could have decided not to spend it but he did. And the resources provided should have been more than enough to see us doing much better than we are.
We continue to obsess over the owner when the finger should be pointed firmly at the manager and his inability to get the players playing to a level reflective of the investment made in them.
You could have said that at any time in the past seven (at least) years.
Yes finger should be pointed at the Manager but it very quickly turns to whoever appointed the manager and then the Owner. Someone is ultimately responsible for making crap decisions.
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We continue to obsess over the owner when the finger should be pointed firmly at the manager and his inability to get the players playing to a level reflective of the investment made in them.
There are 641 pages of fingers being firmly pointed at the manager, most of the 251 pages on here are about the owner's nonsensical tweets, hardly obsessing.
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If we were doing better on he pitch what the owner was doing off it would be entirely irrelevant. He’s provided significant resources to the two managers he’s employed. However those resources came about as the owner of the business he could have decided not to spend it but he did. And the resources provided should have been more than enough to see us doing much better than we are.
We continue to obsess over the owner when the finger should be pointed firmly at the manager and his inability to get the players playing to a level reflective of the investment made in them.
You could have said that at any time in the past seven (at least) years.
Yes finger should be pointed at the Manager but it very quickly turns to whoever appointed the manager and then the Owner. Someone is ultimately responsible for making crap decisions.
The majority of managerial appointments end in failure. Sometimes it is entirely his fault, others it is organisational and then others it is down to bad luck. Sometimes the failure is predceded by a period of relative success at other times it is apparent much sooner. We seem to have gone though every combination of reasons in the last few years.
If things do not improve this season I will put it down to a combination of bad luck with injuries to key players, big signings failing to deliver and managerial inflexibility in not using the entire squad. That said, I am not ready to write it off just yet. There is still time for us to put together a challenge, we just have to hope that having Terry back and striker signings adds some impetus for the second half of the season.
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We continue to obsess over the owner when the finger should be pointed firmly at the manager and his inability to get the players playing to a level reflective of the investment made in them.
There are 641 pages of fingers being firmly pointed at the manager, most of the 251 pages on here are about the owner's nonsensical tweets, hardly obsessing.
The longer the run of shit results continues the owner will be called into question by some. I’m not saying he’s beyond reproach but there will be plenty more pages devoted to him if things don’t improve. And as soon as things do improve it becomes less important to focus on.
And the Steve Bruce thread at 641 pages should be a lot more and I’m ultimately hoping very soon it stops altogether because he’s departed the club.
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IN HINDSIGHT. I am sure all decisions made were in the best intrest soft the club at the time,
Also Zia wants success with the Villa but it is not quite as simple to get things right first time from the car crash we were.Look at Wolves for example they have finally got something going now, but they went down to div 1. We can look at our injuries this season & I believe if we had Kodjia firing on all his cylinders we would be in a far bett position playing more palletable football than at present. Here's hoping 2018 can be better & the team take a bit more responsibility also put their chances away
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IN HINDSIGHT. I am sure all decisions made were in the best intrest soft the club at the time,
Also Zia wants success with the Villa but it is not quite as simple to get things right first time from the car crash we were.Look at Wolves for example they have finally got something going now, but they went down to div 1. We can look at our injuries this season & I believe if we had Kodjia firing on all his cylinders we would be in a far bett position playing more palletable football than at present. Here's hoping 2018 can be better & the team take a bit more responsibility also put their chances away
Kodjia was firing on all cylinders last season and the football was just as bad as now, the only thing that made it palatable was the shit football interspersed with moments of self created "brilliance" from Kodjia.
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Wolves may have gone down to League One, but their current success wasn't based on their resurgence. They were crap last season and new owners, new manager and better players have led to their dominance, not some culling of deadwood.
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Wolves have been Blues since i was a lad, and they're currently having an excellent season after how many years trying. It's not the norm is it ?
It could take us 5 years to get this club back on track in the same way, so if you're impatient i'd try and ween yourself off it now
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Their excellent seasons are never in the top-flight.
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Chris Smith I agree with your reasoning and you rightly state that success is followed after failure however I think that applies to teams being organically built up based on youth and experience players combined with method and a philosophy for long term. We do not have any of that. The manager and the team have been brought together to do a job with very little scalability and stretch for improvement. This sadly means IMO we are in serious trouble now unless we somehow manage to go up. If we don’t we need to start again properly.
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Wolves may have gone down to League One, but their current success wasn't based on their resurgence. They were crap last season and new owners, new manager and better players have led to their dominance, not some culling of deadwood.
I would also suggest the timing of their success is also linked with the tossing aside of old school british managers and coaches from top to bottom and replacing them with modern european ones.....
Nuno Espirito Santo
Head Coach
Rui Pedro Silva
Assistant Head Coach
Julio Figueroa
First Team Coach
Rui Barbosa
Goalkeeping Coach
Antonio Dias
Fitness Coach
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Wolves may have gone down to League One, but their current success wasn't based on their resurgence. They were crap last season and new owners, new manager and better players have led to their dominance, not some culling of deadwood.
I would also suggest the timing of their success is also linked with the tossing aside of old school british managers and coaches from top to bottom and replacing them with modern european ones.....
Nuno Espirito Santo
Head Coach
Rui Pedro Silva
Assistant Head Coach
Julio Figueroa
First Team Coach
Rui Barbosa
Goalkeeping Coach
Antonio Dias
Fitness Coach
Julio Geordio prolific striker.
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Dr. Tony Xia
Verified account @Dr_TonyXia
1h1 hour ago
Lots fans asked me comment about someone’s opinion about ‘ambition’. I did learn dreams only come true when you practically work hard on it and I do think we may need 1or2 strengths at the most,no more instability. #UTV
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The someone alluded to is none other than our old pal Barry Fry.
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From an article on theposh (https://www.theposh.com/news/2018/january/former-blues-boss-ready-for-villa-visitnew-page/):
“Our FA Cup tie at Aston Villa on Saturday will be a fantastic experience for our chairman Darragh MacAnthony, the board of directors, manager, the coaching staff, players, officials and our supporters. When I was manager of Birmingham City I spent a lot of time at Villa Park as my old mate Ron Atkinson was in charge
“The stadium is one of the best in the country, it creates a fabulous atmosphere and I am sure there will be a big crowd there at the weekend. I always got a lot of stick at Villa Park because of my Bluenose connection and no doubt I will get a lot of stick again.
“Villa fans do not know how lucky they are to have Steve Bruce as their manager. Steve could easily have been Manchester United or England’s manager let alone Villa’s. I can’t understand some of the stick that Steve has received since he took over at the club, his record at getting Championship teams into the Premier League is second to none.
“Villa have been in turmoil since Martin O’Neill left in my opinion. What I am amazed at is the lack of ambition shown by the Villa owner – why buy Villa if you don’t want to take them back to the Premier League? They have a great stadium, training ground and a huge fan base – I cannot believe the club is not backing Steve to the hilt.
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From an article on theposh (https://www.theposh.com/news/2018/january/former-blues-boss-ready-for-villa-visitnew-page/):
“Our FA Cup tie at Aston Villa on Saturday will be a fantastic experience for our chairman Darragh MacAnthony, the board of directors, manager, the coaching staff, players, officials and our supporters. When I was manager of Birmingham City I spent a lot of time at Villa Park as my old mate Ron Atkinson was in charge
“The stadium is one of the best in the country, it creates a fabulous atmosphere and I am sure there will be a big crowd there at the weekend. I always got a lot of stick at Villa Park because of my Bluenose connection and no doubt I will get a lot of stick again.
“Villa fans do not know how lucky they are to have Steve Bruce as their manager. Steve could easily have been Manchester United or England’s manager let alone Villa’s. I can’t understand some of the stick that Steve has received since he took over at the club, his record at getting Championship teams into the Premier League is second to none.
“Villa have been in turmoil since Martin O’Neill left in my opinion. What I am amazed at is the lack of ambition shown by the Villa owner – why buy Villa if you don’t want to take them back to the Premier League? They have a great stadium, training ground and a huge fan base – I cannot believe the club is not backing Steve to the hilt.
LOL, from the man that described Ricky Otto as the new George Best.
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Most of that last paragraph seems to be a quote made at the time Lerner was in charge, with the last 4 words added to give it alledged current relevance. It's BS ahead of the weekends game! It's posh spin and nothing else!
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Ricky Otto. That team must have had the highest percentage of ex convicts ever fielded.
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The club has spent way more than it should have to try and get out of this division. To suggest the owner lacks ambition to do so is utter nonsense from the mouth of a proven nonsensical clown. It's not like Xia can just whip out another 50m for a laugh because the rules prohibit us from doing so. Fry is such a tool.
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The club has spent way more than it should have to try and get out of this division. To suggest the owner lacks ambition to do so is utter nonsense from the mouth of a proven nonsensical clown. It's not like Xia can just whip out another 50m for a laugh because the rules prohibit us from doing so. Fry is such a tool.
More players was always his answer though. They had more players than regular matchgoers at times in his tenure there.
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Shame again on the shite b.mail for re-hashing such tripe! (I only read Fry's words on this thread, I wouldn't contemplate reading that rag)
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The B.Mail.
Probably the only news outlet in the country that despises the population/area it serves.
As for Fry, did we expect anything different from that sad, old twat. All he has done is confirm what most people think about him.
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I remember he had 44 first team players on the books at SHA once. Including Foley Okenle.
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I like Barry Fry. He's harmless and there's not many people left in football who aren't humourless nerks.
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I agree. 44 players was hilarious as well as peeing against the floodlights.
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Another possible theory (besides Fry singing the praises of Steve Bruce). If he really is Steve Bruce's friend (and they've spoken to each other) it could be possible that Fry is trying to help his mate by out calling out our owner in the press to try to help put pressure on him to release some additional funds? I'm not saying that's correct but it's not totally beyond the realms of possibility.
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Barry Fry was good fun as Barnet manager when I watched them play non league v Cheltenham as a nipper.
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Barry Fry is one of those that speaks without thinking, the journalist dream. Was always v entertaining when he was Blues manager with his 400 players & peeing in the corners :-)
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40 player squad? Sure that's all the rage now, Chelsea usually have at least half that number out on loan at any one time. Years ahead of everyone was Baz.
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Barry Fry is one of those that speaks without thinking, the journalist dream. Was always v entertaining when he was Blues manager with his 400 players & peeing in the corners :-)
A poor man’s Harry Redknapp in terms of managerial ability but cut from the same cloth. In the grand scheme of things not particularly relevant and ultimately harmless.
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Different to Harry Redknapp in that he doesn't come across as a massive ******.
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I like Barry Fry. He's harmless and there's not many people left in football who aren't humourless nerks.
Same here, even when he was at Blues I found him hard to dislike.
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I like Barry Fry. He's harmless and there's not many people left in football who aren't humourless nerks.
Same here, even when he was at Blues I found him hard to dislike.
I used to play in the same football team as his son, and Barry always seemed a decent bloke.
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I like Barry Fry. He's harmless and there's not many people left in football who aren't humourless nerks.
Same here, even when he was at Blues I found him hard to dislike.
I used to play in the same football team as his son, and Barry always seemed a decent bloke.
And he didn't buy you? Fucking hell, how shit must you have been?
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Very.
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he's a bit of a clown but a lovable one in my view
he doesn't take himself or life to seriously and I like that but has a passion for the game and is always game for a laugh,
there's plenty more about to dislike before you get to Barry
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The guv’nor ain’t happy
It’s fine that everyone made mistakes. However I agreed we still need to work harder to improve, step by step closer to our targets. Right now I have to admit it’s still a piece of business far away to my expectations, if it’s not the worst among RECON’s different segments.
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The guv’nor ain’t happy
It’s fine that everyone made mistakes. However I agreed we still need to work harder to improve, step by step closer to our targets. Right now I have to admit it’s still a piece of business far away to my expectations, if it’s not the worst among RECON’s different segments.
We are the worst segment and far away to Doctor X's expectations. A piece of business, to boot.
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The guv’nor ain’t happy
It’s fine that everyone made mistakes. However I agreed we still need to work harder to improve, step by step closer to our targets. Right now I have to admit it’s still a piece of business far away to my expectations, if it’s not the worst among RECON’s different segments.
We are the worst segment and far away to Doctor X's expectations. A piece of business, to boot.
Ouch! Was this a tweet or was it taken from an interview?
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That last sentence concerns me probably more than it should.
I get the feeling he's not quite ready to have RECON on the shirts.
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https://www.recon.com/en/
I dont know - I think it will be great for our fanbase in the LGBT around the world
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The guv’nor ain’t happy
It’s fine that everyone made mistakes. However I agreed we still need to work harder to improve, step by step closer to our targets. Right now I have to admit it’s still a piece of business far away to my expectations, if it’s not the worst among RECON’s different segments.
We are the worst segment and far away to Doctor X's expectations. A piece of business, to boot.
Ouch! Was this a tweet or was it taken from an interview?
tweet. I’d be concerned if I was Bruce/Wyness/Round.
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That isn’t very helpful really is it. It’s going to get blown up in the press, and possibly destabilise us again. I agree with the sentiment of it just not in public.
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A Villa director talking unguarded on the internet. I can't think how that could possibly go wrong.
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I think things are not very rosy between Bruce/Wyness and Xia. Thing is, that quote was in reply to an apology from Barry Fry over the quotes he made last week regarding ambition. Lose Saturday, and Bruce is gone. I think Tonys finger is hovering over the button!
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I can just imagine the reaction there will be to sacking a manager for only having us in the play off positions with 19 games to go.
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He won't be getting the chop unless we implode dramatically. And he won't be getting the tin tack if we get promoted either.
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The current manager and board know the owner is a lot more public than maybe they are accustomed to. I have no doubt he’s told them in private what he’s saying in public.
Some might see the FA Cup as an unwanted distraction. He might not. Getting booted at home to Peterborough hasn’t sat well so we better put on a performance vs Forest. I don’t think Bruce is going to get fired but he knows he’s on thin ice.
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He won't be getting the chop unless we implode dramatically. And he won't be getting the tin tack if we get promoted either.
Is that ITK or just opinion? Not being rude, just interested.
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I think things are not very rosy between Bruce/Wyness and Xia. Thing is, that quote was in reply to an apology from Barry Fry over the quotes he made last week regarding ambition. Lose Saturday, and Bruce is gone. I think Tonys finger is hovering over the button!
I doubt that to be honest, especially when he could have done it when we were 9th at one point a only a couple of weeks ago.
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He won't be getting the chop unless we implode dramatically. And he won't be getting the tin tack if we get promoted either.
Is that ITK or just opinion? Not being rude, just interested.
Unless something changes ridiculously then it is as bang on with inside info as you will get.
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I'm not sure there would be any justification for keeping him if he got us promoted. He was brought in as a "specialist" to do just that, so it should be job done and goodbye. His track record in the PL is pretty dismal/shite so I'd bring in another "specialist" proven at that level or equivalent.
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A Villa director talking unguarded on the internet. I can't think how that could possibly go wrong.
Me neither. Just a bad idea (from the outset) all round
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I think things are not very rosy between Bruce/Wyness and Xia. Thing is, that quote was in reply to an apology from Barry Fry over the quotes he made last week regarding ambition. Lose Saturday, and Bruce is gone. I think Tonys finger is hovering over the button!
I doubt that to be honest, especially when he could have done it when we were 9th at one point a only a couple of weeks ago.
Im only guessing here, but maybe Xia was ready to do just that, but relented after talking to Wyness?
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I think things are not very rosy between Bruce/Wyness and Xia. Thing is, that quote was in reply to an apology from Barry Fry over the quotes he made last week regarding ambition. Lose Saturday, and Bruce is gone. I think Tonys finger is hovering over the button!
I doubt that to be honest, especially when he could have done it when we were 9th at one point a only a couple of weeks ago.
Im only guessing here, but maybe Xia was ready to do just that, but relented after talking to Wyness?
Seems a good guess to me. While its early to say I do think Xia has a very low tolerance for failure. I reckon he was close to telling Wyness to fire Bruce over the holiday but as you say relented based on results & Wyness.
I like Xia, I think he is absolutely determined to get Villa back in the top tier. Not just because he likes the club but because he doesn't like any of his business to fail.
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The guv’nor ain’t happy
It’s fine that everyone made mistakes. However I agreed we still need to work harder to improve, step by step closer to our targets. Right now I have to admit it’s still a piece of business far away to my expectations, if it’s not the worst among RECON’s different segments.
We are the worst segment and far away to Doctor X's expectations. A piece of business, to boot.
Ouch! Was this a tweet or was it taken from an interview?
tweet. I’d be concerned if I was Bruce/Wyness/Round.
Thanks. I was kind of hoping it was from an interview and that it could have been misinterpreted/taken out of context, but I agree if I was Bruce/Wyness/Round I'd be very concerned.
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I predict he's going to get bored within a year and look for a buyer.
If he does, I hope he doesn't react to boredom as that colossal waster Lerner did by starving it of cash or attention and watching it wither.
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I predict he's going to get bored within a year and look for a buyer.
If he does, I hope he doesn't react to boredom as that colossal waster Lerner did by starving it of cash or attention and watching it wither.
Unfortunately bored owners tend to do just that.
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I hope he's not considering selling.
Who knows where that will lead. It does sound as if he's losing patience with team affairs though.
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I predict he's going to get bored within a year and look for a buyer.
If he does, I hope he doesn't react to boredom as that colossal waster Lerner did by starving it of cash or attention and watching it wither.
Unlike Lerner, he's a businessman.
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If we don’t go up this season I can see ya turning into Ipswich. No real investment, players being bought in to match the tv and other revenue and slowly falling into mediocrity and obscurity.
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I don't think he's intolerant of failure as such. I think he comes from a culture that's intolerant of plodding complacency, apathy and failure to work harder than the competition. Until the club wakes up at every level Our Tone's going to be frustrated.
About his social media activities, the world has changed and is changing fast. What was relevant even five years ago doesn't necessarily apply today. We don't have to like it, but this is the way things are now.
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I think it shows he's engaged at least and worried about the pace we're moving at. That implies he has an energy and desire to see us doing better. I don't think it means he's going to be selling anytime soon.
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At least it gives Bruce something to whinge about after the game about 'another crisis'!
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Very confused by Xia's tweet and what he thinks he can gain by posting that publicly. If intended as a warning you'd expect it to be directed via appropriate channels. Not being in the country currently doesn't mean he can't meet the manager, or even a call to Wyness addresses the situation directly. We're half way through a massive season which could go either way and our Chairman is tweeting that we're not good enough. I like Tony but it's not exactly helpful...
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I see the Cleveland browns are still no where near recovering from the lerner years. They've just recorded a 0 wins out of 16 season. Things could have been so much worse for the Villa with Lerner still in charge.
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Basically he calls it as he sees it, which in some respects is refreshingly honest!
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Bruce’s post match interview. Saturday.
‘We’ve had a horrible one. We’ve made too many mistakes, lettin’ The young lad Britton run 50 yards for the first was a mistake. I’ve got nine injuries and maybes I should have freshened it up a bit. Battt the players out there were still capable of gettin’ a result here against a very good side.
It doesn’t help when certain people take to this social meeja to comment on how crap we are. I don’t like this Facebook nonsense. I just wished people would post statuses that make sense. I suppose it’s the world we live in now. I don’t like it battttt that’s the way it is.’
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Very confused by Xia's tweet and what he thinks he can gain by posting that publicly. If intended as a warning you'd expect it to be directed via appropriate channels. Not being in the country currently doesn't mean he can't meet the manager, or even a call to Wyness addresses the situation directly. We're half way through a massive season which could go either way and our Chairman is tweeting that we're not good enough. I like Tony but it's not exactly helpful...
Blimey, welcome back, where have you been hiding?!
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Bruce’s post match interview. Saturday.
‘We’ve had a horrible one. We’ve made too many mistakes, lettin’ The young lad Britton run 50 yards for the first was a mistake. I’ve got nine injuries and maybes I should have freshened it up a bit. Battt the players out there were still capable of gettin’ a result here against a very good side.
It doesn’t help when certain people take to this social meeja to comment on how crap we are. I don’t like this Facebook nonsense. I just wished people would post statuses that make sense. I suppose it’s the world we live in now. I don’t like it battttt that’s the way it is.’
I genuinely can't tell if that's what he actually said, or if it is your very accurate portrayal of him.
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It’s my prediction for his post Forest match thread.
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I don't get the attention over this tweet. He was responding to an appology by Barry Fry, by accepting the appology but also noting that we still have a long way to go. Nothing more as far as I can see.
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Blimey, welcome back, where have you been hiding?!
Thanks mate! Nowhere fun I'm afraid.
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Is that Tall as Lions from We're Splat Out of Luck fame?
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About his social media activities, the world has changed and is changing fast. What was relevant even five years ago doesn't necessarily apply today. We don't have to like it, but this is the way things are now.
The African Car Reverser first entered the H&V consciousness this month five years ago (the season of the cornalty). You're not questioning his evergreen relevance, are you?
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Is that Tall as Lions from We're Splat Out of Luck fame?
The very same - glad to see you're still here!
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About his social media activities, the world has changed and is changing fast. What was relevant even five years ago doesn't necessarily apply today. We don't have to like it, but this is the way things are now.
The African Car Reverser first entered the H&V consciousness this month five years ago (the season of the cornalty). You're not questioning his evergreen relevance, are you?
The African Car Reverser may have been five years ago, but I can only assume he's still reversing, so consider it ten at least.
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Is that Tall as Lions from We're Splat Out of Luck fame?
The very same - glad to see you're still here!
Hello again young fella. Good to see you back and contributing again.
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Bruce’s post match interview. Saturday.
‘We’ve had a horrible one. We’ve made too many mistakes, lettin’ The young lad Britton run 50 yards for the first was a mistake. I’ve got nine injuries and maybes I should have freshened it up a bit. Battt the players out there were still capable of gettin’ a result here against a very good side.
It doesn’t help when certain people take to this social meeja to comment on how crap we are. I don’t like this Facebook nonsense. I just wished people would post statuses that make sense. I suppose it’s the world we live in now. I don’t like it battttt that’s the way it is.’
These are getting a bit tedious now.
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personally I think that it is good that Tony lets us know that he is not happy with what is going on, he has supposedly thrown £80+ million to date at the Villa, if i was the owner i would be furious after that fiasco on Saturday.
I only spent a tenner and i was ranting after the game.
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personally I think that it is good that Tony lets us know that he is not happy with what is going on, he has supposedly thrown £80+ million to date at the Villa, if i was the owner i would be furious after that fiasco on Saturday.
I only spent a tenner and i was ranting after the game.
Brilliant :)
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I don't think he's intolerant of failure as such. I think he comes from a culture that's intolerant of plodding complacency, apathy and failure to work harder than the competition. Until the club wakes up at every level Our Tone's going to be frustrated.
About his social media activities, the world has changed and is changing fast. What was relevant even five years ago doesn't necessarily apply today. We don't have to like it, but this is the way things are now.
this. Our main client at work is a Chinese company. Demanding is an understatement. They demand hard work and demand results. It’s the culture.
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I don't think he's intolerant of failure as such. I think he comes from a culture that's intolerant of plodding complacency, apathy and failure to work harder than the competition. Until the club wakes up at every level Our Tone's going to be frustrated.
About his social media activities, the world has changed and is changing fast. What was relevant even five years ago doesn't necessarily apply today. We don't have to like it, but this is the way things are now.
this. Our main client at work is a Chinese company. Demanding is an understatement. They demand hard work and demand results. It’s the culture.
THIS
For me, its great that our owner does not want/tolerate failure. For far to long we have had our ambitions dampened. Aim high.
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He has made some very telling comments on his Twitter feed that show the difference in mindset. One was something like: "In China everything is difficult but possible, but in Europe everything is easy but nothing's possible."
This way of thinking is clearly out of kilter with the current Villa way, and come to think of it the Birmingham way, which for far too long has been "it can't be done" accompanied with a half-arsed shrug of the shoulders.
Having spent over a month in Asia prior to Christmas, it was clear to me the prevailing attitude among everyday people there was "we'll fucking well find a way", which should be worrying for people in the faltering west.
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Having spent over a month in Asia prior to Christmas, it was clear to me the prevailing attitude among everyday people there was "we'll fucking well find a way", which should be worrying for people in the faltering west.
Yep, another example of this is high speed rail. In 2000 China had zero miles of high speed rail - their fastest trains travelled at speeds less than 100mph. Since then they've built over 16,000 miles of high speed rail track, with another 8,000 miles by 2025 and then a further 4,000 miles beyond that.
We on the other hand started thinking about HS2 in 2009 and IF (pretty big IF) it goes to plan we'll have 330 miles built by 2033!
I genuinely fear for future generations in the UK - the balance of power is shifting massively and most of the population are asleep to it.
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personally I think that it is good that Tony lets us know that he is not happy with what is going on, he has supposedly thrown £80+ million to date at the Villa, if i was the owner i would be furious after that fiasco on Saturday.
I only spent a tenner and i was ranting after the game.
I doubt if Xia gives two hoots about the FA Cup really. I think his sole aim when he bought Villa was to get back to the PL as soon as possible.
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Having spent over a month in Asia prior to Christmas, it was clear to me the prevailing attitude among everyday people there was "we'll fucking well find a way", which should be worrying for people in the faltering west.
Yep, another example of this is high speed rail. In 2000 China had zero miles of high speed rail - their fastest trains travelled at speeds less than 100mph. Since then they've built over 16,000 miles of high speed rail track, with another 8,000 miles by 2025 and then a further 4,000 miles beyond that.
We on the other hand started thinking about HS2 in 2009 and IF (pretty big IF) it goes to plan we'll have 330 miles built by 2033!
I genuinely fear for future generations in the UK - the balance of power is shifting massively and most of the population are asleep to it.
Absolutely right. Not only that, but the Chinese are working on high-speed magnetic levitation railways. Our 'traditional' high-speed railway is already obsolete and it hasn't even been built yet.
In many ways, Villa has been like 'the west' versus Asia in microcosm. Too complacent in our comfort, half-asleep and stumbling as more switched-on rivals race past us, but a little too myopic and arrogant to really understand and accept what's happening. We need shaking and waking.
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You're not comapring apples and apples though. We could have 16,000 miles of track endlessly swirling this tiny island and we'd all still prefer to use the car.
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You're not comapring apples and apples though. We could have 16,000 miles of track endlessly swirling this tiny island and we'd all still prefer to use the car.
You've lost me.
The comment was about Chinese attitudes towards getting on with things vs Western attitudes. What have transport preferences got to do with that?
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Having spent over a month in Asia prior to Christmas, it was clear to me the prevailing attitude among everyday people there was "we'll fucking well find a way", which should be worrying for people in the faltering west.
I genuinely fear for future generations in the UK - the balance of power is shifting massively and most of the population are asleep to it.
That is because they are too preoccupied with shit such as Love Island and Jeremy fucking Kyle to care
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Before we all get too misty-eyed over the genius of the Chinese, would you swap their human rights record for ours? Would you swap their attitude to workers for ours? There's a bit more to how they get things done than just a work ethic.
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Before we all get too misty-eyed over the genius of the Chinese, would you swap their human rights record for ours? Would you swap their attitude to workers for ours? There's a bit more to how they get things done than just a work ethic.
Of course we wouldn't but when they've overtaken us and destroyed our standard of living in the process I'm not sure future generations will thank us for the Health & Safety at Work Act 1974.
I genuinely don't know what the answer is but their rate of progress is absolutely frightening and the vast majority of the UK still thinks of China as a generally rural, a little bit backward, society whereas they're arguably way ahead of us already in a lot of respects and accelerating further away.
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How did Bronze Age man manage to build Stonehenge?
Ans: Whips.
In my lifetime Germany was going to leave us miles behind, then Japan, then Singapore and Malaysia, then the BRICs. Jesus, even Nigeria and South Africa have enjoyed favoured threat status. China is expanding to catch up, has a billion and a half people and can happily whip, imprison and kill their way through anything to get the job done. It's not work ethic that separates us.
I'm sure the same was said of Uncle Joe's five-year plans.
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How did Bronze Age man manage to build Stonehenge?
Ans: Whips.
In my lifetime Germany was going to leave us miles behind, then Japan, then Singapore and Malaysia, then the BRICs. Jesus, even Nigeria and South Africa have enjoyed favoured threat status. China is expanding to catch up, has a billion and a half people and can happily whip, imprison and kill their way through anything to get the job done. It's not work ethic that separates us.
I'm sure the same was said of Uncle Joe's five-year plans.
I'll just quote Jimbo:
Too complacent in our comfort, half-asleep and stumbling as more switched-on rivals race past us, but a little too myopic and arrogant to really understand and accept what's happening. We need shaking and waking.
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You've got me. All hail Jimbo.
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It doesn't count unless you're on your knees, Page.
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I think we need to find a balance. Our decline isn't all about a lack of work ethic, but neither is China's success all about whipping workers. There are lots of other factors at play, but what we can do is realise where we can improve and take steps to address it, rather than just navel gazing and making a half-arsed attempt at change, like HS2 is currently.
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I salute your indefatigability and commitment to natural orders.
For the record, I'm not suggesting the Chinese way is all slash and burn, just a useful part of the repertoire that I'd rather wasn't replicated here. I'll put up with not being number 1.
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You're not comapring apples and apples though. We could have 16,000 miles of track endlessly swirling this tiny island and we'd all still prefer to use the car.
You've lost me.
The comment was about Chinese attitudes towards getting on with things vs Western attitudes. What have transport preferences got to do with that?
I know what you were saying, I was suggesting the example given wasn't really all that good at making the point. There's a number of reasons why a country the size of China, with 100s of millions of rural peasants, that it is in the interests to create vast swathes of affordable public transport to create some social mobility figuratively and literally, as opposed to the land of the motor car.
I don't necessarily disagree about a difference in a can do attitude.
I'm minded of when I was in Koh Samui and they resurfaced the Chaweng Road in a day. Job jobbed. No fecking around. Yet here we're waiting until March 2019 until they finish the M6. Useless feckers.
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Yes, I don't think it was the miles of track that was the point, rather the ability to identify problems (i.e. shit infrastructure) and find solutions, and then carry them out. The UK might love the car, but it can't rely on it forever given the terrible congestion in and around our cities - Birmingham being a classic case in point. With a fast-growing population we need to find solutions yesterday, but it'll probably be the day after tomorrow, if at all. *shrugs*
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A lot of it is attitude though. I can afford a car and I can afford the train. I prefer my car. In China, there isn't necessarily a choice. Necessity is the mother of invention and all that.
But yes, I cannot for the life of me understand why infrastructure projects take such an age here to come to fruition. Surely billions could be added to the economy if we cut the time between idea, permission, implementation and completion of a project.
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A lot of it is attitude though. I can afford a car and I can afford the train. I prefer my car. In China, there isn't necessarily a choice. Necessity is the mother of invention and all that.
You're kidding right?
Last year 17m cars were sold in Europe. In China alone that figure was 24 million which was 3 million more than the year before. So at a time when Chinese car ownership is rocketing they're still building railway infrastructure at a pace the Western world can't even imagine.
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Before we all get too misty-eyed over the genius of the Chinese, would you swap their human rights record for ours? Would you swap their attitude to workers for ours? There's a bit more to how they get things done than just a work ethic.
Of course we wouldn't but when they've overtaken us and destroyed our standard of living in the process I'm not sure future generations will thank us for the Health & Safety at Work Act 1974.
I genuinely don't know what the answer is but their rate of progress is absolutely frightening and the vast majority of the UK still thinks of China as a generally rural, a little bit backward, society whereas they're arguably way ahead of us already in a lot of respects and accelerating further away.
Yeah, who needs ten fingers and two legs when you can sit in your wheelchair and watch a shiny new train go past.
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A lot of it is attitude though. I can afford a car and I can afford the train. I prefer my car. In China, there isn't necessarily a choice. Necessity is the mother of invention and all that.
You're kidding right?
Last year 17m cars were sold in Europe. In China alone that figure was 24 million which was 3 million more than the year before. So at a time when Chinese car ownership is rocketing they're still building railway infrastructure at a pace the Western world can't even imagine.
We sold significantly more cars per head of adult population. Almost a third at 29%, while the Chinese sold almost a fifth at 19%.
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Before we all get too misty-eyed over the genius of the Chinese, would you swap their human rights record for ours? Would you swap their attitude to workers for ours? There's a bit more to how they get things done than just a work ethic.
Of course we wouldn't but when they've overtaken us and destroyed our standard of living in the process I'm not sure future generations will thank us for the Health & Safety at Work Act 1974.
I genuinely don't know what the answer is but their rate of progress is absolutely frightening and the vast majority of the UK still thinks of China as a generally rural, a little bit backward, society whereas they're arguably way ahead of us already in a lot of respects and accelerating further away.
Yeah, who needs ten fingers and two legs when you can sit in your wheelchair and watch a shiny new train go past.
He also forgets the cost to society should someone be injured at work such as medical care, rehabilitation and benefits which all comes out of tax payers pockets.
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A lot of it is attitude though. I can afford a car and I can afford the train. I prefer my car. In China, there isn't necessarily a choice. Necessity is the mother of invention and all that.
You're kidding right?
Last year 17m cars were sold in Europe. In China alone that figure was 24 million which was 3 million more than the year before. So at a time when Chinese car ownership is rocketing they're still building railway infrastructure at a pace the Western world can't even imagine.
We sold significantly more cars per head of adult population. Almost a third at 29%, while the Chinese sold almost a fifth at 19%.
And their ratio was 14% higher than the year before. At that rate of growth they'll have caught us up in 3 years. Or, to put it another way, 12 years before HS2 is due to be finished.
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The rate of growth will be indexed to the expansion of the urban middle class concentrated in the eastern coast. It will reach a buffer while the overwhelming majority of the country catches up. We're a small country at complete saturation levels. That a third of the adult population recycles their cars year on year is quite astounding.
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You're not comapring apples and apples though. We could have 16,000 miles of track endlessly swirling this tiny island and we'd all still prefer to use the car.
You've lost me.
The comment was about Chinese attitudes towards getting on with things vs Western attitudes. What have transport preferences got to do with that?
At a guess I'd say china putting down 16000 miles of track gets plenty of local support. Us trying to put down a few hundred has people organising protests and trying to get the planning permission delayed indefinitely because they're not interested in the train at all. It's the same problem with wind farms, hydro electric dams, etc.
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Wind farms are a fucking scam. We're fighting a development round the back of ours. NIMBY!
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The single biggest reason for China's expansion is their system of government. 10 year presidency, no opposition to worry about, nor checks and balances, and a centralised planning approach. Need to move a million rural people to build a dam? Build them shiny new homes 200 miles from where they have lived for generations, give them 2 hours to pack and then send the bulldozers in. By the by, in big cities this is the dream of the poor: compulsory purchase of old, leaky houses with communal bathrooms and kitchens and ferried out to brand new estates on the edge of the city with hot water and windows that close.
I had meetings in Beijing with Party officials a few years back and they were very dismissive of Obama: "most powerful man in the world? Ha. He can't even control the 2 houses in the US, that is why he has to focus on foreign policy. He only has 3 years in power then a year campaigning for re-election. No time to achieve anything. No power: except missiles"
But the general can-do attitude in many Asian countries is exactly as Jimbo says. And much of it stems from the importance of education for all, classes. I can only comment specifically on China, but making money is a national obsession (via education, hard work and connections).
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Absolutely right. Not only that, but the Chinese are working on high-speed magnetic levitation railways. Our 'traditional' high-speed railway is already obsolete and it hasn't even been built yet.
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They have one for a decade from Shanghai Pudong airport to the outskirts of the city. 430 km/h. Seems a bit over engineered for a 40 km journey.
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It’s all well and good but we do have Maglev and we’ve had if for years.
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The single biggest reason for China's expansion is their system of government. 10 year presidency, no opposition to worry about, nor checks and balances, and a centralised planning approach. Need to move a million rural people to build a dam? Build them shiny new homes 200 miles from where they have lived for generations, give them 2 hours to pack and then send the bulldozers in. By the by, in big cities this is the dream of the poor: compulsory purchase of old, leaky houses with communal bathrooms and kitchens and ferried out to brand new estates on the edge of the city with hot water and windows that close.
I had meetings in Beijing with Party officials a few years back and they were very dismissive of Obama: "most powerful man in the world? Ha. He can't even control the 2 houses in the US, that is why he has to focus on foreign policy. He only has 3 years in power then a year campaigning for re-election. No time to achieve anything. No power: except missiles"
But the general can-do attitude in many Asian countries is exactly as Jimbo says. And much of it stems from the importance of education for all, classes. I can only comment specifically on China, but making money is a national obsession (via education, hard work and connections).
You're making me nostalgic for China, mate! I'm taking Sonoko to Xinjiiang this Easter via Shanghai, hopefully. Any chance you'll be around Shanghai at that point?
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It’s all well and good but we do have Maglev and we’ve had if for years.
Like the old Merry Hill monorail???
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The single biggest reason for China's expansion is their system of government. 10 year presidency, no opposition to worry about, nor checks and balances, and a centralised planning approach. Need to move a million rural people to build a dam? Build them shiny new homes 200 miles from where they have lived for generations, give them 2 hours to pack and then send the bulldozers in. By the by, in big cities this is the dream of the poor: compulsory purchase of old, leaky houses with communal bathrooms and kitchens and ferried out to brand new estates on the edge of the city with hot water and windows that close.
That's exactly it, when you don't really have to worry about human rights at all, or property rights very much, things are much, much easier.
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I am a wee bit uncomfortable linking giving up human rights to get the trains running on time.....
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I am a wee bit uncomfortable linking giving up human rights to get the trains running on time.....
I'm with you.
I know China could probably build a turbo-charged escalator to the moon in the time it will take us to finish HS2, but I'd rather live in a country where this stuff takes longer and we've got our freedoms and rights than in a totalitarian state like China.
Although obvs, this country is fast turning into a proto-fascist hell hole, right kids?
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The single biggest reason for China's expansion is their system of government. 10 year presidency, no opposition to worry about, nor checks and balances, and a centralised planning approach. Need to move a million rural people to build a dam? Build them shiny new homes 200 miles from where they have lived for generations, give them 2 hours to pack and then send the bulldozers in. By the by, in big cities this is the dream of the poor: compulsory purchase of old, leaky houses with communal bathrooms and kitchens and ferried out to brand new estates on the edge of the city with hot water and windows that close.
That's exactly it, when you don't really have to worry about human rights at all, or property rights very much, things are much, much easier.
Human rights that involve not starving close to 1.4 billion people or determining the human rights of less than 2 million of your nationals living outside the UK? I know which should be the much, much easier.
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I am a wee bit uncomfortable linking giving up human rights to get the trains running on time.....
I'm with you.
I know China could probably build a turbo-charged escalator to the moon in the time it will take us to finish HS2, but I'd rather live in a country where this stuff takes longer and we've got our freedoms and rights than in a totalitarian state like China.
Although obvs, this country is fast turning into a proto-fascist hell hole, right kids?
You're missing the point. It's not about where you'd prefer to live, it's about the Chinese mentality of getting stuff done meaning they're already ahead of us in a lot of ways and accelerating away fast.
But there is more than a hint of hypocrisy about the vast majority of the population quite rightly agreeing that China's human rights record isn't good enough whilst being quite happy to buy £42bn of goods per year which result from that regime.
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And if the peasants refuse to move China does have the highest capital punishment rates in the world.
The only hope for civilization I can see is that presently the Chinese all want to own a television set. Once they have one they may want something worth watching. Culture is like water. You can't compress it.
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You can run it over with a tank though.
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Yes. I had not thought of that. Our next door neighbour is Chinese. Next time I see him in his Man U shirt I shall tell him that.
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As a Chinese person, I've been following the past couple of pages with a reasonable degree of interest. I'm also, um, still trying to figure out how this arose in the first place.
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Its H&V, sticking on topic is for squares.
We have had train discussions
Chinese rural peasants
Human Rights
The M6
British planning/Chinese planning
Tienanmen Square references
None of this Tony's Tweets garbage for us.
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So in order to have a transport infrastructure that's fit for purpose, do we have to give up our human rights? Probably not. Like I said, we need to find a balance, one that would allow us to find a way to invest in infrastructure and build cutting-edge technology like high-speed maglev, and be world leaders in that technology (and be able to sell that expertise abroad), without starving or whipping our people to death. Call me crazy, but I'm sure that's possible.
Getting back to the point, as Pat mentioned above, there's certainly a can-do attitude in Asia, which is what I think Our Tone was referring to in his Tweets. He'll want that attitude to run through Villa like the writing in a good old British stick of rock (probably made in China), and that might just be possible without violating anybody's human rights. It might mean we can't saw Micah Richards' nipples off for being a twat, but that's the price of progress.
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now that really does give me a dilemma- is it possible to harbour christian values and want to saw Mica's nipples off? I hope so.
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now that really does give me a dilemma- is it possible to harbour christian values and want to saw Mica's nipples off? I hope so.
Perhaps Tim Farron can help us with this one?
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I am a wee bit uncomfortable linking giving up human rights to get the trains running on time.....
I'm with you.
I know China could probably build a turbo-charged escalator to the moon in the time it will take us to finish HS2, but I'd rather live in a country where this stuff takes longer and we've got our freedoms and rights than in a totalitarian state like China.
Although obvs, this country is fast turning into a proto-fascist hell hole, right kids?
What I think tends to happen is yes they build tremendous infrastructures and I have visited China but they suffer a much higher defect rate
I am at the moment dealing with a Chinese company trying to get them to manufacture football silk scarves they are a nightmares to deal with, with me simply trying to get prices etc
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I am a wee bit uncomfortable linking giving up human rights to get the trains running on time.....
I'm with you.
I know China could probably build a turbo-charged escalator to the moon in the time it will take us to finish HS2, but I'd rather live in a country where this stuff takes longer and we've got our freedoms and rights than in a totalitarian state like China.
Although obvs, this country is fast turning into a proto-fascist hell hole, right kids?
What I think tends to happen is yes they build tremendous infrastructures and I have visited China but they suffer a much higher defect rate
I am at the moment dealing with a Chinese company trying to get them to manufacture football silk scarves they are a nightmares to deal with, with me simply trying to get prices etc
Maybe the children working in the scarf factory have got to do their homework first?
This is exactly the point about hypocrisy - we can't complain about the Chinese regime at the same time as encouraging them to carry on doing it by taking their exports.
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now that really does give me a dilemma- is it possible to harbour christian values and want to saw Mica's nipples off? I hope so.
I believe the Spanish Inquisition had a degree of success in such instances. That could be an avenue worth exploring?
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now that really does give me a dilemma- is it possible to harbour christian values and want to saw Mica's nipples off? I hope so.
I believe the Spanish Inquisition had a degree of success in such instances. That could be an avenue worth exploring?
I wasn't expecting that
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now that really does give me a dilemma- is it possible to harbour christian values and want to saw Mica's nipples off? I hope so.
I believe the Spanish Inquisition had a degree of success in such instances. That could be an avenue worth exploring?
I wasn't expecting that
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition...
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well, Diablo certainly did.
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I am a wee bit uncomfortable linking giving up human rights to get the trains running on time.....
I'm with you.
I know China could probably build a turbo-charged escalator to the moon in the time it will take us to finish HS2, but I'd rather live in a country where this stuff takes longer and we've got our freedoms and rights than in a totalitarian state like China.
Although obvs, this country is fast turning into a proto-fascist hell hole, right kids?
What I think tends to happen is yes they build tremendous infrastructures and I have visited China but they suffer a much higher defect rate
I am at the moment dealing with a Chinese company trying to get them to manufacture football silk scarves they are a nightmares to deal with, with me simply trying to get prices etc
WW, that may simply be due to volume. Chinese manufacturers are used to dealing in colossal volumes so if this seems unlikely from your interactions they will show very little interest.
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Re points raised above by Jimbo and Brian respectively:
1. Can do attitude. Chinese social media has been awash this week with the story (and mainly the photos where he looks like he is wearing a white punk wig) of a primary school boy ("Ice Boy") who walked 3 miles to school on Monday in snow and -9c temperatures in rural Yunnan province. The trek takes 1 hour each way but he was determined not to miss exams. The school has no heating, though they do provide breakfast and lunch. He didn't seem dressed for the weather. His mom and dad work in a city to earn money so he lives with his sister. He scored 99/100 and the story has gone nationwide re raising money for poor kids. That kid will go far.
2. political aspirations: I never once had a discussion with a Chinese person who was bothered about the political system. All they wanted was good education, a career and the chance to earn enough money to get a house, car and some of the consumer goods we have taken for granted for a while. While tens of millions of people are being taken out of poverty and quality of life continues to improve the colossal majority do not give a hoot about the single party system.
There was a lot of small scale civil unrest in China when I lived there, unreported in the west, usually relating to peasants losing land or factory closures and job losses. These invariably followed a cycle of short term violence, negotiation and then compensation (new land / houses / jobs / money). This unrest was always focused on the immediate basics of housing and livelihood, not on the system itself.
My Chinese friends who have been here reckon that people under 30 in the UK seem to be less wealthy than their parents. In China the reverse is true.
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It's not really about whether the Chinese want our system. If they are happy to live and work in what they have good luck to them. But when it's suggested we can replicate the Chinese the question remains would you like HS2 et al built quickly or the rights we enjoy? It's not going to be both for the poor fckrs who have inconsiderately got their house in the way of HS2. I don't really fancy living in a country where they turf you out and then, if you throw a rock, they'll negotiate a bit.
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He has made some very telling comments on his Twitter feed that show the difference in mindset. One was something like: "In China everything is difficult but possible, but in Europe everything is easy but nothing's possible."
... the prevailing attitude among everyday people there was "we'll fucking well find a way", which should be worrying for people in the faltering west.
Actually, I recognise that. It’s the Newham local authority spirit, exemplified through its Children’s services.
*film of people running at sunrise through cherry trees, to the Dambusters theme*
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I know it appears off topic but Tony has released quite a few tweets this evening. I'll post them on the 'Construction Monthly' thread.
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I know it appears off topic but Tony has released quite a few tweets this evening. I'll post them on the 'Construction Monthly' thread.
Thanks for the reminder. I have a fab ceviche recipe for the Construction Monthly lads.
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I know it appears off topic but Tony has released quite a few tweets this evening. I'll post them on the 'Construction Monthly' thread.
Let’s hope he has not started focusing on the Villa or Football.
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Brits can be as tough as anybody when they have to be. In 1947 three of us walked from Tyseley and Greet the three miles or more to and from Camp Hill school where there was no heating. All three of us got university degrees. A school head teacher, a commissioned soldier and me a faux Derek Trotter.
But that is not the point I wanted to make about the absorption of material progress into civilized society. It is microscopic sample but I believe it is illuminating.
Cambridge has a very large and very dynamic Chinese population. We have three Chinese families living and working immediately beside where my daughter lives and I work. The adults work exceptionally hard at their restaurants. The Chinese wife of one restaurateur is a consultant specialist at Addenbrookes hospital. They have four children all born in Britain ranging from 5 to 12. They all call me Uncle Brian. The way those kids talk, play and behave is absolutely identical to the way English kids do. They come into our place to shoot the breeze and scrounge fruit after school. What do they talk about? Football. Television. Holidays. Going into the entertainment industry. Not a hint of material striving or ever putting themselves under the cosh to get the trappings of wealth. Their parents have already done all that. In one generation western European culture is established in them.
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Re points raised above by Jimbo and Brian respectively:
1. Can do attitude. Chinese social media has been awash this week with the story (and mainly the photos where he looks like he is wearing a white punk wig) of a primary school boy ("Ice Boy") who walked 3 miles to school on Monday in snow and -9c temperatures in rural Yunnan province. The trek takes 1 hour each way but he was determined not to miss exams. The school has no heating, though they do provide breakfast and lunch. He didn't seem dressed for the weather. His mom and dad work in a city to earn money so he lives with his sister. He scored 99/100 and the story has gone nationwide re raising money for poor kids. That kid will go far.
2. political aspirations: I never once had a discussion with a Chinese person who was bothered about the political system. All they wanted was good education, a career and the chance to earn enough money to get a house, car and some of the consumer goods we have taken for granted for a while. While tens of millions of people are being taken out of poverty and quality of life continues to improve the colossal majority do not give a hoot about the single party system.
There was a lot of small scale civil unrest in China when I lived there, unreported in the west, usually relating to peasants losing land or factory closures and job losses. These invariably followed a cycle of short term violence, negotiation and then compensation (new land / houses / jobs / money). This unrest was always focused on the immediate basics of housing and livelihood, not on the system itself.
My Chinese friends who have been here reckon that people under 30 in the UK seem to be less wealthy than their parents. In China the reverse is true.
This is nearer the point. You have to understand the recent history and context. Young Chinese are generall very progressive and possibly less conservative than UK and definitely USA.
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Dr T's tweeted enough shit lately to supply a Snoop dog Pool Party.
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Brits can be as tough as anybody when they have to be. In 1947 three of us walked from Tyseley and Greet the three miles or more to and from Camp Hill school where there was no heating. All three of us got university degrees. A school head teacher, a commissioned soldier and me a faux Derek Trotter.
But that is not the point I wanted to make about the absorption of material progress into civilized society. It is microscopic sample but I believe it is illuminating.
Cambridge has a very large and very dynamic Chinese population. We have three Chinese families living and working immediately beside where my daughter lives and I work. The adults work exceptionally hard at their restaurants. The Chinese wife of one restaurateur is a consultant specialist at Addenbrookes hospital. They have four children all born in Britain ranging from 5 to 12. They all call me Uncle Brian. The way those kids talk, play and behave is absolutely identical to the way English kids do. They come into our place to shoot the breeze and scrounge fruit after school. What do they talk about? Football. Television. Holidays. Going into the entertainment industry. Not a hint of material striving or ever putting themselves under the cosh to get the trappings of wealth. Their parents have already done all that. In one generation western European culture is established in them.
Vancouver is an amazing multicultural society. We have a lot of immigrants coming in each year. Possibly too fast to allow those coming into adapt, but that's a different story. The people that come in and adapt to the local culture (including me) fit in well. Now we have a situation whereby the local women that are born in Canada have these beautiful ethnic backgrounds and look stunning. I was in awe when I first came in. Of course I get stuck with a blonde hair blue eyed local!!
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Anyone know (as I’m not on Twitter) where I can see a summary of Tony’s Tweets? I’m sure there used to be a thread on here..
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Anyone know (as I’m not on Twitter) where I can see a summary of Tony’s Tweets? I’m sure there used to be a thread on here..
Dr Tony's tweets (https://twitter.com/Dr_TonyXia)
Dr Tony's tweets and replies to other twitter users (https://twitter.com/Dr_TonyXia/with_replies)
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♌️⛎♍️☯️📱(🏧-Ⓜ️)📶🔜
?!?
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♌️ = Leo = Leonardo Ulloa
⛎ = 13th Zodiac = 13 letters in Leonardo Ulloa
♍️ = 150 degrees to 180 degrees on the zodiac circle = Half way there
☯️ = Everything consists of two forces = Need Leicester not to sell Slimani etc...
🏧➖Ⓜ️= AT = Alex Tuanzebe = Soon
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Wow! Did you also crack the Da Vinca code?
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Wow! Did you also crack the Da Vinca code?
I wish. Nicked it from Twitter
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Ulloa would really give us a fantastic other option to Hogan. Davis will still play his part but think the lower pressure on his shoulders will aid his development.
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Ulloa makes perfect sense.
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♌️ = Leo = Leonardo Ulloa
⛎ = 13th Zodiac = 13 letters in Leonardo Ulloa
♍️ = 150 degrees to 180 degrees on the zodiac circle = Half way there
☯️ = Everything consists of two forces = Need Leicester not to sell Slimani etc...
🏧➖Ⓜ️= AT = Alex Tuanzebe = Soon
Not all heroes wear capes.
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🤝🖌2️⃣4️⃣.#UTV
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🤝🖌2️⃣4️⃣.#UTV
It didnt come through but the first icon is a handshake.
Which may mean a player has agreed terms and will sign on the 24th. Maybe.
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🤝🖌2️⃣4️⃣.#UTV
It didnt come through but the first icon is a handshake.
Which may mean a player has agreed terms and will sign on the 24th. Maybe.
Or in 24 hr’s
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🤝🖌2️⃣4️⃣.#UTV
It didnt come through but the first icon is a handshake.
Which may mean a player has agreed terms and will sign on the 24th. Maybe.
Or in 24 hr’s
oooh! Even better.
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🤝🖌2️⃣4️⃣.#UTV
It didnt come through but the first icon is a handshake.
Which may mean a player has agreed terms and will sign on the 24th. Maybe.
Or in 24 hr’s
oooh! Even better.
Or No.24 is signing somewhere else?
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🤝🖌2️⃣4️⃣.#UTV
It didnt come through but the first icon is a handshake.
Which may mean a player has agreed terms and will sign on the 24th. Maybe.
Or in 24 hr’s
oooh! Even better.
Or No.24 is signing somewhere else?
Kill joy.
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🤝🖌2️⃣4️⃣.#UTV
It didnt come through but the first icon is a handshake.
Which may mean a player has agreed terms and will sign on the 24th. Maybe.
Or in 24 hr’s
oooh! Even better.
Or No.24 is signing somewhere else?
24 is Elphick - no one wants him.
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Marriott at Peterborough has scored 24 goals thus far. Just pointing it out.
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And would cost 6-7 million apparently - we have not got the money for that.....
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And would cost 6-7 million apparently - we have not got the money for that.....
Or as Wyness pointed out the other day FFP restricts us from spending money. So we may well have it but we just cannot spend it because of the restrictions.
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And would cost 6-7 million apparently - we have not got the money for that.....
Or as Wyness pointed out the other day FFP restricts us from spending money. So we may well have it but we just cannot spend it because of the restrictions.
Yes. Unless we take him on loan for £1m till the summer and agree the extra 5.5m then.
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I took it as 24 hours so something announced on Monday morning.
We won't be signing anyone for 6m. A striker will be a loan deal.
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I don't think for one minute we'll sign him nor would I say he is the right choice. Just putting another 24 option out there for entertainment purposes.
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Or 24 karat, so it’s a ginger.
My money is on the lad de Bruyne...or Tommy Johnson.
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It's definitely Jack Bauer
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I'd prefer Tommy Johnson.
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I took it as 24 hours so something announced on Monday morning.
Are we any Closer or is it a Blue Monday?
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I took it as 24 hours so something announced on Monday morning.
Are we any Closer or is it a Blue Monday?
It would appear the two clubs and the player are caught in a Bizarre Love Triangle.
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I took it as 24 hours so something announced on Monday morning.
Are we any Closer or is it a Blue Monday?
It would appear the two clubs and the player are caught in a Bizarre Love Triangle.
I’ve got true faith it will turn out all right in the end.
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I took it as 24 hours so something announced on Monday morning.
Are we any Closer or is it a Blue Monday?
It would appear the two clubs and the player are caught in a Bizarre Love Triangle.
I’ve got true faith it will turn out all right in the end.
We are probably having to negotiate through a web of power, corruption and lies.
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Put Paul McGrath in charge of all transfers. Once the contract papers have been touched by the hand of God we will be well away.
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Confusion, confusion!
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so did we get that Sanchez then?
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All eyes on the 24th then.
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Everything's Gone Green , except our pitch.
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Everything's Gone Green , except our pitch.
It's demise has come quickly. It was ruined in a day.
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Well it's seems a bit of a broken promise.
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All eyes on the 24th then.
In Chinese culture 8 is the luckiest number. 2 x 4 = 8. Simples.
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Well it's seems a bit of a broken promise.
What did he promise?
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Well it's seems a bit of a broken promise.
What did he promise?
A new order
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Well it's seems a bit of a broken promise.
What did he promise?
A new order
I think there's been some confusion here.
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Well it's seems a bit of a broken promise.
What did he promise?
A new order
That will bring no Joy in this Division.
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We need to keep the true faith in Doctor Tony.
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Back on topic. Handshake, pen, number 2 and number 4.
Number 2 left today. For Antwerp. Samba is number 4. I wonder if they are about to retire him.
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so maybe a replacement for Samba?
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Back on topic. Handshake, pen, number 2 and number 4.
Number 2 left today. For Antwerp. Samba is number 4. I wonder if they are about to retire him.
These tweets remind me of the clues on 3-2-1
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Never mind Tony's tweets, the club's usually-awful Twitter game has stepped up significantly today with this near-viral gem referring to Leeds' horrendous new badge: https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/956190305535086592
We'll definitely lose that match now.
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Never mind Tony's tweets, the club's usually-awful Twitter game has stepped up significantly today with this near-viral gem referring to Leeds' horrendous new badge: https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/956190305535086592
We'll definitely lose that match now.
I feel so crap right now - I don’t get it - what is the reference?????
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Never mind Tony's tweets, the club's usually-awful Twitter game has stepped up significantly today with this near-viral gem referring to Leeds' horrendous new badge: https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/956190305535086592
We'll definitely lose that match now.
I feel so crap right now - I don’t get it - what is the reference?????
Your not alone Ed. It's to do with PES-which is some kind of online game, I think. Those that know the reference are pretty impressed.
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And I thought it was just me that didn't get it.
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LOL yes it's a Pro Evo reference. You might be confused if you've never played it or say only played FIFA where the names and badges of the clubs are all correct. With Pro Evolution even though the gameplay is excellent it's annoying that the team names and badges are awful which is what the Twitter page is referencing. It's clever.
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I still don't get it.
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Pro-Evo (6 for those of us around the 25-30 mark) was the best football game going. But it didn't have the licences for names, badges, kit, players, as FIFA had that covered. Konami wouldn't stump up and you could edit it all if you wanted, we were and likely still are West Midlands Village.
It's a very amusing tweet.
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Normally brands/clubs taking the mick out of each other on Twitter looks ridiculous (we've got into a ludicrous and unfunny exchange with Virgin Trains in the past if I remember correctly) but this one, implying their atrocious new badge looks like its out of a 2006 video game - which it does - is unusually witty
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I didn't get it either.
The new Leeds badge looks like the starting position for a Nazi salute.
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I now get it - and yes very good banter. Though never played PES, so had no idea about the badges.
Like the one where someone has drawn a wrist watch on the hand, “waiting for the game to finish”.
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I only got the reference because my son bought the PES game a few years ago and played as West Midlands Village. Well done whoever was responsible though.
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Welcome to @AVFCOfficial !
(🏧➖Ⓜ️)! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
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ATM-M= A T.
Welcome Axel.
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If Tony's business interests are as broad as he suggests, shouldn't he be too busy to be pissing around with Twitter hieroglyphics?!
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Tony has underlings to do boring, business shit for him. He can concentrate on what matters.
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The man's gotta take a dump at some point.
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If Tony's business interests are as broad as he suggests, shouldn't he be too busy to be pissing around with Twitter hieroglyphics?!
Nobody but nobody in China is too busy for social media. It is beyond an obsession.
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If Tony's business interests are as broad as he suggests, shouldn't he be too busy to be pissing around with Twitter hieroglyphics?!
Do you think it takes a lot of his time to tweet that?
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If Tony's business interests are as broad as he suggests, shouldn't he be too busy to be pissing around with Twitter hieroglyphics?!
Lots of people with important jobs find time to piss about on twitter. I mean he is crap at his job but Trump for one. Ok that was a bad example. :)
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If Tony's business interests are as broad as he suggests, shouldn't he be too busy to be pissing around with Twitter hieroglyphics?!
Do you really believe that? There's lots of people on Twitter and LinkedIn being another one with very busy or high profile jobs who are always posting stuff. If you think Tony is busy on social media, check out someone like Richard Branson. Not your bog standard billionaire like our Tone.
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If Tony's business interests are as broad as he suggests, shouldn't he be too busy to be pissing around with Twitter hieroglyphics?!
Do you really believe that? There's lots of people on Twitter and LinkedIn being another one with very busy or high profile jobs who are always posting stuff. If you think Tony is busy on social media, check out someone like Richard Branson. Not your bog standard billionaire like our Tone.
Although Richard Branson is an actual billionaire.
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If Tony's business interests are as broad as he suggests, shouldn't he be too busy to be pissing around with Twitter hieroglyphics?!
Do you really believe that? There's lots of people on Twitter and LinkedIn being another one with very busy or high profile jobs who are always posting stuff. If you think Tony is busy on social media, check out someone like Richard Branson. Not your bog standard billionaire like our Tone.
Although Richard Branson is an actual billionaire.
There was a list of the richest people in the Midlands in either today’s or yesterday’s Mail. Xia was listed as being worth £1b.
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I think the thing is nobody knows how much he's worth.
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Don't really busy/rich/successful people have digital/social media staff? With correspondingly crappy job titles?
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I think the thing is nobody knows how much he's worth.
So far I like this billionaire versus the one we had previously who ended up being skint because his mum didn’t want him emptying any more of his piggy bank on us. But you’re right. We have no actual idea how much he’s worth.
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I think the thing is nobody knows how much he's worth.
So far I like this billionaire versus the one we had previously who ended up being skint because his mum didn’t want him emptying any more of his piggy bank on us. But you’re right. We have no actual idea how much he’s worth.
There are many words that can be used to describe Randy Lerner. 'Skint' isn't one of them.
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If Tony's business interests are as broad as he suggests, shouldn't he be too busy to be pissing around with Twitter hieroglyphics?!
Do you really believe that? There's lots of people on Twitter and LinkedIn being another one with very busy or high profile jobs who are always posting stuff. If you think Tony is busy on social media, check out someone like Richard Branson. Not your bog standard billionaire like our Tone.
Although Richard Branson is an actual billionaire.
There was a list of the richest people in the Midlands in either today’s or yesterday’s Mail. Xia was listed as being worth £1b.
It's good that the Mail have managed to pierce the levels of obfuscation that cloud Chinese money. I was clearly wrong in thinking they were just a shit website with intrusive ads and click-bait tweets these days.
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I think the thing is nobody knows how much he's worth.
So far I like this billionaire versus the one we had previously who ended up being skint because his mum didn’t want him emptying any more of his piggy bank on us. But you’re right. We have no actual idea how much he’s worth.
I'll wait till i see some evidence Xia is actually a billionaire before comparing him to other ones.
Lerner had the money and went through a prolonged period of spending (mostly wasting) it. We haven't even seen a set of accounts since Xia took over (although we do know that HSBC have a charge on the club). We have no idea where that money that has been spent has come from.
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Put it the other way. Is there ANY evidence Xia isn't exactly who he says he is?
I mean, what more do you want? He isn't going to post his bank account info online. Until someone comes up with a shred of evidence he is something other than a successful businessman who wants to grow the club then I am happy to believe him. We have zero reason to call the man a liar and frankly Villa fans should be the last folks to try and slander the man.
He is going to be with us for some time. He will do plenty of actual things to piss us off over time. Thats football. We don't need to go around making shit up.
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Put it the other way. Is there ANY evidence Xia isn't exactly who he says he is?
I mean, what more do you want? He isn't going to post his bank account info online. Until someone comes up with a shred of evidence he is something other than a successful businessman who wants to grow the club then I am happy to believe him. We have zero reason to call the man a liar and frankly Villa fans should be the last folks to try and slander the man.
He is going to be with us for some time. He will do plenty of actual things to piss us off over time. Thats football. We don't need to go around making shit up.
"Is there ANY evidence Xia isn't exactly who he says he is? "
Is there ANY evidence I haven't got a 16 inch penis, a pet mini unicorn called Derek and a gold plated hovercraft parked in my garage? What a ridiculously illogical way to approach this.
Where is the "making shit up" thing?
We do not know where the funding has come from and will not until we see the accounts. That's a fact, not something made up.
No, I don't want to see his bank statement, I want to see prolonged investment in the club.
And I agree, I too hope he is a successful businessman who wants to grow the club. Who wouldn't hope for that?
I will just wait until we see some hard, legal, financial figures until I call him one thing or the other.
HSBC has a charge on the club. That's a fact.
"Dr Tony is a billionaire". That is not a fact.
Sorry for the cynicism, but he has come from a country where finances are incredibly hard to establish. We know pretty much nothing about him. We know nothing about Recon other than it's apparently a massively profitable company with almost no actual web imprint, there is nothing about it out there.
I am not saying he's a chancer, I am saying I'll believe his financial credentials when I see them confirmed in figures with the name of a big accountancy firm at the bottom saying they are happy.
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What's the problem though? Does he need to prove anything yet?
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You only have to look at the Sty and the nonsense about their 'billionaire' who turned out to be a hairdresser.
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Its one thing having and spending money, but I am always envious of the kind of clear unerring direction that successful clubs seem to have. I'm talking about the sense of purpose that cuts through everything they do. The sort of coordinated approach that allows clubs to build new stadia for example, and re-position themselves in the hierarchy; it was well documented that Arsenal's transfer policy was tailored around funding the move from Highbury over many years, and Spurs are going through a similar process now.
Its difficult to judge at the moment, because the key thing is just to get promoted as soon as possible, but all that Xia has had to do so far is bring in Wyness and fund his reorganisation of the football side of things. Everything else has been cost-cutting due to relegation. As mentioned by other posters, we are yet to find out how exactly this has been funded.
Even under Lerner, although a lot of money was spent, it was mostly done in a haphazard and unsustainable way by MON. There was talk about plans for ground redevelopment, but understandably it wasn't top of the priorities whilst we were waiting for more sustained success on the pitch and the bigger crowds that come with it. With hindsight the things that did happen, the new crest, the Holte pub refurbishment etc. feel like Lerner's pet projects - him indulging his hobby, rather than a concerted push in a particular direction.
I don't really know what would reassure me on this front, and it's probably not possible anyway when we don't know what division we are going to be in. I suppose I would like to get a sense that there is a plan, and it is ambitious, realistic and fundable.
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So the 7th biggest bank in the world worth over 2.3 TRILLION dollars has zero doubts Xia is who he says he is and is happy to work with him and Aston Villa, but some fans need "proof" because... right, no reason.
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So the 7th biggest bank in the world worth over 2.3 TRILLION dollars has zero doubts Xia is who he says he is and is happy to work with him and Aston Villa, but some fans need "proof" because... right, no reason.
RBS were the 5th biggest bank in the world and Lehman brothers were no slouches......Just saying don’t think we should trust a banks judgment.
Time will tell with Tony, but I don’t think any of us know the size of the pot he has to p**s in yet.
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Seriously?
You know what, forget it. If you guys want to invent bizarre conspiracy theories and make shit up about the owner of the club just to smear him, you go for it. I am going to going back to enjoying the recent run of good form. Knock yourselves out.
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So the 7th biggest bank in the world worth over 2.3 TRILLION dollars has zero doubts Xia is who he says he is and is happy to work with him and Aston Villa, but some fans need "proof" because... right, no reason.
When the security for such a loan is everything that Villa own, and that seems to include Bodymoor, Villa Park and any other assets we may have lurking around, then of course a bank might be happy to loan us money at commercial rates (note Lerner loaned us money at less than the going rate).
The issue here is surely that until the proof (in the form of the accounts appears) we have no idea what was borrowed and what strain that puts on the club (and indeed what Tony is contributing). It may be a few million to fund last winter''s purchases (it was taken out in October 2016), or at the very worst was the full purchase price of the Villa, and we've done a Glazer/Manchester United. Who knows until proof turns up as scheduled in February?
Note 1: Recon Sports changed its name to Recon Football in October
Note 2: We seem to have bought (again courtesy of HSBC) some land here: Freehold land at middleton hall quarry, middleton, tamworth…
All freely viewable here: https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/00046572
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Re: Middleton Hall Quarry. Just down the road from Bodymoor, so perhaps a replacement training ground?
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So the 7th biggest bank in the world worth over 2.3 TRILLION dollars has zero doubts Xia is who he says he is and is happy to work with him and Aston Villa, but some fans need "proof" because... right, no reason.
HSBC?
They were reportedly fined €1.9bn for having inadequate controls to detect money laundering from Mexican drug cartels going through their accounts.
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Depending on how much we bought of the land but middleton hall quarry is a massive area.
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I think the thing is nobody knows how much he's worth.
So far I like this billionaire versus the one we had previously who ended up being skint because his mum didn’t want him emptying any more of his piggy bank on us. But you’re right. We have no actual idea how much he’s worth.
Forbes $1.11billion
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We follow our hearts, even on the smallest of boats....
http://en.reconig.com/index.php/List/cid/126
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"RECON invests in the other five RECON business sections, supporting growth-oriented businesses around the world. Its unique approach helps its portfolio companies recognize their potential in collaboration with RECON. Supported by RECON Capital, they grow core businesses, launch new initiatives, make transformative acquisitions, and upgrade technologies to become a more important part in the whole industry chain or ecosystem.
By 2015, the Private Equity sector manages more than 16.5 Billion USD assets and six M&A funds over 7.5 Billion USD. RECON capital is shaping a better world by providing capital, expertise and resources for a new smart economy globally."
http://en.reconig.com/index.php/List/cid/138
I've no idea what all the above means in terms of the Doctor's personal wealth or scale of ambition for Villa, but if he's willing to put such figures out there in public it would suggest he has nothing to hide and these are legit figures.
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I am not saying he's a chancer, I am saying I'll believe his financial credentials when I see them confirmed in figures with the name of a big accountancy firm at the bottom saying they are happy.
Slight point of order but the Villa's accounts will give absolutely no clue as to how wealthy the Doctor is. If we've raised funds from HSBC by mortgaging the club's assets then Tone might as well be on the dole.
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Re: Middleton Hall Quarry. Just down the road from Bodymoor, so perhaps a replacement training ground?
Isn't HS2 going straight through Bodymoor? So you'd expect the club to be looking at alternatives.
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There was an article in the Sutton Observer about HS2/Bodymoor Heath/Villa. HS2 only needs part of the land (about 10% or something), which we're in the process of completing a compensation package which has been agreed. We're then buying another parcel of land next to Bodymoor Heath and relocating the pitches that HS2 needs. Sounds like it's all pretty sorted.
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Re: Middleton Hall Quarry. Just down the road from Bodymoor, so perhaps a replacement training ground?
Isn't HS2 going straight through Bodymoor? So you'd expect the club to be looking at alternatives.
Well exactly.
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Has anyone had a look at Recon.com? Before you do...
1. Not Safe For Work NSFW
2. You may wish to engage Incognito mode anyway.
Tone made a billion like that?
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Brilliant. That's me sorted for the weekend then
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Ooh you are awful Dave!
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"RECON invests in the other five RECON business sections, supporting growth-oriented businesses around the world. Its unique approach helps its portfolio companies recognize their potential in collaboration with RECON. Supported by RECON Capital, they grow core businesses, launch new initiatives, make transformative acquisitions, and upgrade technologies to become a more important part in the whole industry chain or ecosystem.
By 2015, the Private Equity sector manages more than 16.5 Billion USD assets and six M&A funds over 7.5 Billion USD. RECON capital is shaping a better world by providing capital, expertise and resources for a new smart economy globally."
http://en.reconig.com/index.php/List/cid/138
I've no idea what all the above means in terms of the Doctor's personal wealth or scale of ambition for Villa, but if he's willing to put such figures out there in public it would suggest he has nothing to hide and these are legit figures.
The way I see it is that Tony is the Chairman of the Recon group, but doesn't mean that he is a large % owner. No one really knows where that money comes from. But he does have his own personal wealth from being the Chairman and likely made a fortune from it. It all looks a bit like Abramovich getting his money out of china and raising his profile in case it goes wrong over there. Looks at Abramovich's ex business partner. No one remembers his name and he is in jail now. Roman wouldn't care about ploughing a fraction into a football club for the insurance. I see the same with our Tony. As to his actual personally wealth and what he is going to put into Villa, who knows
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"RECON invests in the other five RECON business sections, supporting growth-oriented businesses around the world. Its unique approach helps its portfolio companies recognize their potential in collaboration with RECON. Supported by RECON Capital, they grow core businesses, launch new initiatives, make transformative acquisitions, and upgrade technologies to become a more important part in the whole industry chain or ecosystem.
By 2015, the Private Equity sector manages more than 16.5 Billion USD assets and six M&A funds over 7.5 Billion USD. RECON capital is shaping a better world by providing capital, expertise and resources for a new smart economy globally."
http://en.reconig.com/index.php/List/cid/138
I've no idea what all the above means in terms of the Doctor's personal wealth or scale of ambition for Villa, but if he's willing to put such figures out there in public it would suggest he has nothing to hide and these are legit figures.
The way I see it is that Tony is the Chairman of the Recon group, but doesn't mean that he is a large % owner. No one really knows where that money comes from. But he does have his own personal wealth from being the Chairman and likely made a fortune from it. It all looks a bit like Abramovich getting his money out of china and raising his profile in case it goes wrong over there. Looks at Abramovich's ex business partner. No one remembers his name and he is in jail now. Roman wouldn't care about ploughing a fraction into a football club for the insurance. I see the same with our Tony. As to his actual personally wealth and what he is going to put into Villa, who knows
For some reason McMafia has crossed my mind.
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This tweeting shit is just the same as bitcoin to me. I don't understand either.
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I am not saying he's a chancer, I am saying I'll believe his financial credentials when I see them confirmed in figures with the name of a big accountancy firm at the bottom saying they are happy.
Slight point of order but the Villa's accounts will give absolutely no clue as to how wealthy the Doctor is. If we've raised funds from HSBC by mortgaging the club's assets then Tone might as well be on the dole.
That's precisely my point - it will tell us how he is funding the club rather than just swallowing the whole "he's put huge amounts in" line unquestioningly.
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So the 7th biggest bank in the world worth over 2.3 TRILLION dollars has zero doubts Xia is who he says he is and is happy to work with him and Aston Villa, but some fans need "proof" because... right, no reason.
Eh?
Do you know what them taking a charge actually means? It doesn't mean they have zero doubts at all, it means we're using the assets of the club as proof we're good for a loan.
Honestly, are you surprised some people are uncertain about his financial bona fides?
You're acting like we've shot his dog or something.
All I'm saying is that before going on about him being a billionaire who puts this or that into the club, it might be worth waiting to see the accounts.
Sorry if that's too upsetting for you to countenance.
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So the 7th biggest bank in the world worth over 2.3 TRILLION dollars has zero doubts Xia is who he says he is and is happy to work with him and Aston Villa, but some fans need "proof" because... right, no reason.
Eh?
Do you know what them taking a charge actually means? It doesn't mean they have zero doubts at all, it means we're using the assets of the club as proof we're good for a loan.
Honestly, are you surprised some people are uncertain about his financial bona fides?
You're acting like we've shot his dog or something.
All I'm saying is that before going on about him being a billionaire who puts this or that into the club, it might be worth waiting to see the accounts.
Sorry if that's too upsetting for you to countenance.
If his dog gets shot that would suggest he can't even afford a decent meal. I'm now off to that Recon website that was linked to find myself a man into "leather, rubber, BDSM and kink". I'm not entirely sure what 'kink' entails but I will try anything once.
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Banks will lend anybody money if they have assets to back it up. But let's not forget HSBC has been fined many times for shady practices.
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The only thing I'd say on this is that if he was English, or American (or many other other nationalities) we'd probably not be seeing posts like this and we certainly wouldn't have seen reports in the press of him being shady. I'm not accusing anyone of anything, just pointing out that the cultural differences are where the mistrust comes from rather than any evidence that he isn't exactly what he claims to be.
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The only thing I'd say on this is that if he was English, or American (or many other other nationalities) we'd probably not be seeing posts like this and we certainly wouldn't have seen reports in the press of him being shady. I'm not accusing anyone of anything, just pointing out that the cultural differences are where the mistrust comes from rather than any evidence that he isn't exactly what he claims to be.
that's just rubbish, everyone gets stick on here regardless, the Glazers, Mike Ashley, Dave Whelan, Randy, Gold, Sullevan, Brady I could go on
makes not one jot of difference where they are from
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The only thing I'd say on this is that if he was English, or American (or many other other nationalities) we'd probably not be seeing posts like this and we certainly wouldn't have seen reports in the press of him being shady. I'm not accusing anyone of anything, just pointing out that the cultural differences are where the mistrust comes from rather than any evidence that he isn't exactly what he claims to be.
that's just rubbish, everyone gets stick on here regardless, the Glazers, Mike Ashley, Dave Whelan, Randy, Gold, Sullevan, Brady I could go on
makes not one jot of difference where they are from
As John says, that is nonsense. There were quite a few of us who didn't buy into the unquestionable Lerner love in that went on when he first bought the club, Liverpool and Manchester United supporters certainly didn't take to their American owners, ask ANY Newcastle supporter about Ashley etc.
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And even if anyone is treating him differently, it's not a 'cultural difference' but rather the fact that if you own MBNA there are lots of reputable sources which will tell you how much that's worth. Sadly China, like the Netherlands, or Delaware in the US doesn't have the same attitude to making such information public.
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Perhaps a better benchmark for working out the credibility of Tony is the fact that RECON signed that recent deal with the City of Birmingham? One would like to think the Department of Trade and Industry did their homework.
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Perhaps a better benchmark for working out the credibility of Tony is the fact that RECON signed that recent deal with the City of Birmingham? One would like to think the Department of Trade and Industry did their homework.
You might like to think so.
What is true, is there are lots of ways a credit worthy Chinese company or individual can obtain facilities for a UK company from a Bank, without providing a charge over the Assets.
So Mr walnuts is right to be sceptical without the benefit of any verifiable information.
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The only thing I'd say on this is that if he was English, or American (or many other other nationalities) we'd probably not be seeing posts like this and we certainly wouldn't have seen reports in the press of him being shady.
No, but if he were English or American and was the owner of a (according to reports) multi-billion pound enterprise, there would be a lot more information publicly available about both him and his company.
If our owner were from Kansas or Kettering and there was as little information in the public domain as there is about Xia and Recon then I'd actually find the situation a whole lot more troubling.
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Sorry John and Chris but I'm sticking to it but I think you've both got the wrong end of the stick, Chicago has just summed it up:
So Mr walnuts is right to be sceptical without the benefit of any verifiable information.
This is what I mean about the cultural thing, the availability of information just isn't the same in Chinese business as we're used to in Europe. You gave a list of names but literally every one of those is questioned over their motives, ability or personality rather than their wealth, we all know that they have the money they claim and accept it.
What I'm getting at is that whilst we don't have any evidence about his personal wealth we can see the valuations of the companies and so far he's done everything he claimed he would so, while I understand some of the skepticism, I think he's earned some measure of trust to this point. If the accounts come out and suggest things haven't been done in a way we should be comfortable with then we can start questioning him but before that I just think it's being incredibly unfair, both because of the differences above and because Lerner was a false dawn.
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Perhaps a better benchmark for working out the credibility of Tony is the fact that RECON signed that recent deal with the City of Birmingham? One would like to think the Department of Trade and Industry did their homework.
How many contracts were the demonstrably bust Carillion awarded by the Government again?
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I’m pretty sure that Recon website only materialised in 2015.
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Apologies -Deleted Post
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I’m pretty sure that Recon website only materialised in 2015.
I’m pretty sure that Recon website only materialised in 2015.
Here's another new website:
http://www.teamaxsc.com/
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Not from the Doc but his main man Ro has suggested/hinged/teased on Twitter that a signing might be about to happen.
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Not from the Doc but his main man Ro has suggested/hinged/teased on Twitter that a signing might be about to happen.
Is it in bloody code again ?
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https://twitter.com/Dr_TonyXia/status/1042051316263124994
"No matter what happened💔, you cannot disappear from my world. ❤️"
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Bye then tone.
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so you are not going to regenerate Aston our Tony ??
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https://twitter.com/Dr_TonyXia/status/1042051316263124994
"No matter what happened💔, you cannot disappear from my world. ❤️"
Sounds like a Boyzone hit to me.
Anyway see ya Tony yer massive chancer.
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https://twitter.com/Dr_TonyXia/status/1042051316263124994
"No matter what happened💔, you cannot disappear from my world. ❤️"
he's bought a season ticket in the Holte with his shares money I reckon
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Hanging up his boots.
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so you are not going to regenerate Aston our Tony ??
so much for redeveloping the ground and competing with barca and real Madrid. prat
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I saw the red flag still flying over Villa Park last night, so has he gone?
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Shame on everyone that fell for this childish chancer.
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Shame on anyone that wants to slag off fellow fans just for daring to hope that things might have been okay.
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Part of me still wonders what would've happened if we'd gone up. Sure we'd have spent a shed load of money which would've hurt us at a later date but interested if any of the off field stuff he promised when he came in would've happened.
Probably not but he did show the plans to one S.Bruce when he first joined so they weren't a complete mirage.
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Another set of rolled up drawings of a revamped North Stand gathering dust in the CEOs cupboard. Sigh....we go again....
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(https://thumb.ibb.co/iXZ2xK/138a09aeca1cdd0b7f12012214f851dc.jpg) (https://ibb.co/iXZ2xK)
Hanging up his boots.
Yes, so he will look for a new pair in Shoezone now he's got cash on the hip.
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(https://thumb.ibb.co/iXZ2xK/138a09aeca1cdd0b7f12012214f851dc.jpg) (https://ibb.co/iXZ2xK)
Hanging up his boots.
Yes, so he will look for a new pair in Shoezone now he's got cash on the hip.
I bet those in the picture are worth an absolute fortune mind
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The plans belong to the club so when we do eventually get into a position where it might be feasible to implement them, it will be interesting to see whether the new owners feel that they have merit or not.
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Will the Chinese flag be flying on Saturday? Reports that one shareholder has been bought out for 49M
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Yes, it looks like the club have bought his shares back. I wouldn't be surprised to see him removed as a director soon, and that'll then be that. Good riddance.
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Yes, it looks like the club have bought his shares back. I wouldn't be surprised to see him removed as a director soon, and that'll then be that. Good riddance.
We dodged a bullet big time. We got away with a flesh wound when it could have been fatal.
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Part of me still wonders what would've happened if we'd gone up. Sure we'd have spent a shed load of money which would've hurt us at a later date but interested if any of the off field stuff he promised when he came in would've happened.
I'll go out on a limb here and say probably not.
If you can't pay a monthly tax bill (more than once, by the sounds of it) you don't have the reddies to rebuild the North Stand and half of Aston.
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Yes, it looks like the club have bought his shares back. I wouldn't be surprised to see him removed as a director soon, and that'll then be that. Good riddance.
There is some thought that these were deferred non-voting shares - which is why they were cancelled after purchase. He may still own some ordinary ones.
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Will Randy Lerner still get his additional payment owed by Xia should the club be promoted in the next 3 years? He must be bricking it.
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Probably goes straight in his mum’s pocket anyway.
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Hanging up his boots.
Yes, so he will look for a new pair in Shoezone now he's got cash on the hip.
I bet those in the picture are worth an absolute fortune mind
Ummm. I think I have some just like that. Because your a fellow villa fan you can have them for 5 large. And I'm practically giving them away.
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Dr Skint is still holding shares then. I expect him at VP soon.
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I miss Tony’s cryptic tweets
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Guess who's back, shit shoes is back. New Tweet on Twitter, I think he's got COVID -19 or Mad Cow Disease.
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what's he been saying?
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🚽🧻🧻🧻🧻🧻🧻😷🈸🈺👞👞
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Guess who's back, shit shoes is back. New Tweet on Twitter, I think he's got COVID -19 or Mad Cow Disease.
I did like your reply Jon!
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what's he been saying?
“The fool doth think he is wise, but the wise man knows himself to be a fool.” ......
Followed by.
This has Nothing related to football. BTW.was not really want bother to clarify: 30M bonus 2Randy was part of deal of 100% transaction not RECON liability. IF People in charge of sports thinking about playing ‘words game’ all day long normally can’t be good in the sports field.
So basically the usual Xia unintelligible bollocks.
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Is this a cryptic crossword question?
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Is this a cryptic crossword question?
Clue: 5 letters, to egg on.
Answer: Toast.