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Title: Ross McCormack
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 02, 2016, 11:37:44 PM
Being now reported in a number of places that McCormack will sign for us in a £12m deal with add ons bringing it potentially to £14m. There's no doubt the boy has goals in him. Can score in the box, outside, two footed, deadly from set pieces. It's a lot of money for his age but if we are better overall and he does his what he does and scores the goals it will be a snip to get us back into the PL. Plus fucks Norwich a bit as they were all set for him.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: not3bad on August 02, 2016, 11:39:52 PM
Welcome Ross. Show 'em where the goal is!
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 02, 2016, 11:41:29 PM
Stay off the Ginsters pasties please Ross!
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: Walmley_Villa on August 02, 2016, 11:43:32 PM
Will be pleased if it happens, about time we started making a statement of intent.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: Ads on August 02, 2016, 11:45:31 PM
I suppose you put a high price on goals.

I wanted more mobility, but nonetheless welcome this as a boost.

I think we have three strikers capable of scoring 20 goals in this league.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 02, 2016, 11:48:53 PM
Stay off the Ginsters pasties please Ross!

He does look like he carries some timber. Doesn't see him to stop him finding the net. Which is all we will care about.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: Risso on August 02, 2016, 11:49:50 PM
I suppose you put a high price on goals.

I wanted more mobility, but nonetheless welcome this as a boost.

I think we have three strikers capable of scoring 20 goals in this league.

Between them maybe! ;
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: Ads on August 02, 2016, 11:49:56 PM
I'm 3 days older than young Ross. Next scamp who calls him old is going to get whacked round the head by my SunLife Parker Pen.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 02, 2016, 11:52:25 PM
Stay off the Ginsters pasties please Ross!

He does look like he carries some timber. Doesn't see him to stop him finding the net. Which is all we will care about.

Despite being a big lad he doesn't seem to struggle to be on the pitch, last 5 seasons he's played 45 games, 44, 43, 32, 45. A striker that is rarely injured, what voodoo is this? You'll be telling me next he's a striker that scores goals!
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: The Laughing Policeman on August 02, 2016, 11:54:48 PM
£12-14 million is cheap if he can fire us back into the PL within two seasons. And two seasons is what I think it will take us to get back. Oh and before anyone starts the 'call yourself a Villa Fan' shite I've heard it all close season from mates who blindly believe that  the main body of the squad that got us relegated will get us up at first time of asking .Mind you I reserve the right to change my opinion if significant changes to the squad occur before the window closes.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: Dave on August 02, 2016, 11:57:43 PM
Wouldn't have been my first choice.

Reading a Fulham forum though, none of them want to lose him. The overwhelming attitude seems to be that it's just a bid that's too good to reject for a 30 year old.

So although he's not perfect for our situation, we're not in a position where we can afford to be hugely picky. So fine, let's make it happen.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: Ads on August 02, 2016, 11:59:30 PM
I suppose you put a high price on goals.

I wanted more mobility, but nonetheless welcome this as a boost.

I think we have three strikers capable of scoring 20 goals in this league.

Between them maybe! ;

Ayew and McCormack should get 20 apiece and Gestede has the capability but I don't think he will get the games.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 03, 2016, 12:00:35 AM
It will be a boost to our midfield to look up front and see a forward who can score goals. And he should be a perfect playing partner Ayew too who does so much great work and has had fucking donkeys to work with.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: aj2k77 on August 03, 2016, 12:03:16 AM
Is McCormack a second striker? If so, still a chance of buying Kodja too? Kodja, McCormack and Ayew would get lots of goals.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 03, 2016, 12:03:50 AM
A good thing if we do have Ayew, McCormack and Rudy is it's 3 different styles of striker/attacker. So we can mix it around depending on who we're playing, and even bring on a sub that will offer something very different to what the defenders had been dealing with up to then if we need to change something during a game.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: wozwebs on August 03, 2016, 12:04:48 AM
What if we get Bamford too?
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 03, 2016, 12:07:56 AM
One of our forwards will be sold now. The Doc has said it won't be Ayew. Gabby is being given another shot. So one of Kozak or Rudy will be off I reckon. That and RHM is making a real case for inclusion in first team activities with his application and goals for the U23's.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: Ads on August 03, 2016, 12:08:03 AM
If we get Bamford then I expect Kozak to go. Gabby will stick around for lack of options to shift him too.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: leylandalbion on August 03, 2016, 12:09:44 AM
It would appear though that he hasn't featured in any preseason games for fulham..is he injured?
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 03, 2016, 12:09:51 AM
I just assume Kozak will never play so don't count him as an on the pitch option.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: Pete3206 on August 03, 2016, 12:11:18 AM
Please let this be true.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: eamonn on August 03, 2016, 12:14:36 AM
For the same price as we get for Clark and Gueye, I guess it sounds more reasonable.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 03, 2016, 12:18:39 AM
Suddenly things take on a much rosier hue.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: aj2k77 on August 03, 2016, 12:20:13 AM
If we sold Kozak and Gestede and replaced with Kodja and McCormack I'd be very very happy with that.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 03, 2016, 12:22:09 AM
If we sold Kozak and Gestede and replaced with Kodja and McCormack I'd be very very happy with that.

And if either had false teeth and was prepared to suck off LTA then I think we'd all be pretty chipper.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: Hillbilly on August 03, 2016, 12:25:55 AM
A deluxe Grant Holt.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 03, 2016, 12:28:56 AM
A deluxe Grant Holt.

Not even a remotely accurate comparison.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: KRS on August 03, 2016, 12:29:45 AM
One of our forwards will be sold now. The Doc has said it won't be Ayew. Gabby is being given another shot. So one of Kozak or Rudy will be off I reckon. That and RHM is making a real case for inclusion in first team activities with his application and goals for the U23's.
I dont think Kozak or Gestede have any future at VP under RDM and Clarke. They will know a lazy donkey when they see one, and there isn't a better example of a lazy donkey than Gestede. As for Kozak, he's just not very mobile or particularly any good.

McCormack will work well with our more skilful players like Grealish who have been restricted by the lack of movement in front of them so as lack as RM makes runs or makes himself available to receive the ball them we should be much more productive going forward. If we dont sign any more forwards then RHM should be given game time.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: Pete3206 on August 03, 2016, 12:32:56 AM
A deluxe Grant Holt.

No
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: footyskillz on August 03, 2016, 12:38:54 AM
Think it is right signing in right situation. A goal scorer with pedigree. Doesn't matter about fees it's good we got him . Welcome big mac
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: footyskillz on August 03, 2016, 12:44:18 AM
16/1 top scorer have that. Jordan Ayew is 25/1 those two will score 40 odd goals each i say !
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: paul_e on August 03, 2016, 12:53:10 AM
One of our forwards will be sold now. The Doc has said it won't be Ayew. Gabby is being given another shot. So one of Kozak or Rudy will be off I reckon. That and RHM is making a real case for inclusion in first team activities with his application and goals for the U23's.
I dont think Kozak or Gestede have any future at VP under RDM and Clarke. They will know a lazy donkey when they see one, and there isn't a better example of a lazy donkey than Gestede. As for Kozak, he's just not very mobile or particularly any good.

McCormack will work well with our more skilful players like Grealish who have been restricted by the lack of movement in front of them so as lack as RM makes runs or makes himself available to receive the ball them we should be much more productive going forward. If we dont sign any more forwards then RHM should be given game time.

The bold bit is where I disagree, his movement (whilst miles better than Gestede) is into the positions where we want Grealish to operate, my concern is that we'll only be able to play 2 of Ayew, RM and Jack at most which means this improves the squad but doesn't improve the team all that much.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 03, 2016, 01:02:57 AM
To put his fee into pespective, look at what Lukaku is being touted for.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: avfcpg on August 03, 2016, 01:09:28 AM
To put his fee into pespective, look at what Lukaku is being touted for.
Quite...didn't Matt Richie (Bournemouth) go for around 12 million too? Actually makes Gana's fee stupidly low...
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: ozzjim on August 03, 2016, 01:11:05 AM
Watch the 40 odd goals in the last 2 seasons. Not seen a striker score the variety - outside the box, head, poachers etc since watching Shearer. He looks a much better player than I thought in the clips, so welcome him with open arms. Gayle for 8.5 or McCormack for 12?

I think we are far from done in the forward areas either. Signing of real intent from RDM. 2-3 more and we might be top 2.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: Hillbilly on August 03, 2016, 01:11:45 AM
A deluxe Grant Holt.

Not even a remotely accurate comparison.
You're right. He's a short-arse Grant Holt.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 03, 2016, 01:12:18 AM
Lukaku is 7 years younger and a far better player though.

Although i'd find very funny if they do spend £65m on a player they sold for £28m 2 years ago after they spent years farming him out and playing Torres instead.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: ozzjim on August 03, 2016, 01:15:52 AM
nearly as funny as letting him go free and buying him back for 112m because the manager wanted to teach the agent a bit of a lesson?
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on August 03, 2016, 01:18:09 AM
I saw an interview with I think his strike partner at Fulham earlier and he was waxing lyrical about how many goals he sets up as well as scores.  In which case he would be perfect for Ayew.

Also what price getting back into the PL - a 29 year old for £12m will be peanuts if we go up. Also it's still only half of what we paid for Darren in the good old days.  Tweenie oka Dwight Gayle who to my knowledge has never been prolific has gone to Newcastle for £9m!
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 03, 2016, 01:19:02 AM
nearly as funny as letting him go free and buying him back for 112m because the manager wanted to teach the agent a bit of a lesson?

Wasn't it more that he he was out of contract and buggered off to Juve? I'm sure Fergie went on about him not showing Manure any respect. Still, it's also funny.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: ozzjim on August 03, 2016, 01:22:41 AM
Fergie fell out with the agent for demanding 25k a week for a player with only 3 appearances or something. From then on he was always off.

Anyhow, agreed on the 12m being bugger all if it gets us back up.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: charleeco7 on August 03, 2016, 01:22:45 AM
We've spent the last few years spending money on unproven talent in the hope we will make money out of them and look where it's got us.
He'll be worth every penny of he gets us promoted and it'd be nice to have a hero down VP again.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on August 03, 2016, 01:27:51 AM
I'm hearing it's a four year deal which means we are signing someone with no return but I guess it's what we need to do.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 03, 2016, 01:49:37 AM
Fergie fell out with the agent for demanding 25k a week for a player with only 3 appearances or something. From then on he was always off.


You could well be right, I just remember him buggering off for nowt and Ferguson moaning. Either way it's funny.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 03, 2016, 02:12:41 AM
I'm hearing it's a four year deal which means we are signing someone with no return but I guess it's what we need to do.

Utter stupidity if true. We'll be Champions of Europe by then and still paying him. It's all very Emile Heskey. We never learn.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 03, 2016, 02:13:07 AM
Lukaku is 7 years younger and a far better player though.

Although i'd find very funny if they do spend £65m on a player they sold for £28m 2 years ago after they spent years farming him out and playing Torres instead.

I know that but it shows what ludicrous telpehone numbers players cost now.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 03, 2016, 02:20:39 AM
Meanwhile our friends across the city are trying to find £375K for one player, and keeping adding incentives to Sheff Utd as they don't seem able to go above £1.2m for another.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 03, 2016, 04:02:14 AM
A deluxe Grant Holt.

Not even a remotely accurate comparison.
You're right. He's a short-arse Grant Holt.

Brilliant. So we are about to sign a striker with a superb record at this level and your first two posts on this thread are to insult and/or ridicule him. Nothing constructive at all. How pathetically childish of you.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: mr underhill on August 03, 2016, 05:24:42 AM
He isn't that much older than Dion was when we signed him and that didn't turn out too badly.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 03, 2016, 05:27:38 AM
A goal scoring centre forward with a decent fitness record and the club showing some intent.
Yes please.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: Matt Collins on August 03, 2016, 05:29:29 AM
He does look a very good player at this level

Tho I agree he does seem to play in the positions that ayew and grealish want to play. Not sure what you do there - ayew in the 9 position? That's not where he's played pre season

Also, not sure if he's match fit for Saturday as he's barely played pre season

Still want a mobile number 9 tho that will leave us w some difficult choices in attack
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: VillaSpen on August 03, 2016, 05:42:46 AM
Proven commodity in the Championship, lack of injuries, variety of goals and plenty of them in recent years. He'll do for me. I'm feeling a lot better about the rest of the stupid transfer window now.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 03, 2016, 05:49:39 AM
He does look a very good player at this level

Tho I agree he does seem to play in the positions that ayew and grealish want to play. Not sure what you do there - ayew in the 9 position? That's not where he's played pre season

Also, not sure if he's match fit for Saturday as he's barely played pre season

Still want a mobile number 9 tho that will leave us w some difficult choices in attack
i have to admit I know very little about him, does he actually play off the striker? The clips I have seen,he seems to be in the centre forward position.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: N'ZMAV on August 03, 2016, 06:16:19 AM
I think he's the type of striker that relies on qualities that he will still have when he's 34.
Should do a good job for us.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: Matt Collins on August 03, 2016, 06:16:40 AM
Others may be better informed but I think he spent most of the last season in that position with Dembele as the 9. www.transfermarkt.co.uk/ross-mccormack/leistungsdaten/spieler/29006/plus/0?saison=2015

I read something saying he dropped deep quite a lot and Fulham generally played through him

But I don't think I've ever seen him play live so I'm not certain
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: Matt C on August 03, 2016, 06:17:03 AM
Can't say I've seen much of him to judge but you can't dispute his record at this level. Suspect Kozak will make way for him; probably another one who will head out on loan.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: pbavfckuwait on August 03, 2016, 06:51:37 AM
If his name was some what more foreign sounding and he came from Nice, Bordeaux or Bilbao,there would be an explosion of sheer delight, but what we would be getting is a player who is comfortable at this level, has a proven scoring record at this level and if we have to move players out of the team, whether that be Greilsh , Justhead, or Ayew to accommodate a 20 goals a season player, that is fine by me, as the 3 mentioned do not have 20 goals between them for Villa.
Is he good enough for next season if we go up this year, I will spend May , June and July 2017 worrying about that. Get him in.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: Clampy on August 03, 2016, 07:20:28 AM
A lot of money for a 30 year old but if his goals help us back up, it'll be a snip. Mind you, I read somewhere yesterday that someone had bid £10m for Ashley Williams and he's 32.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: KRS on August 03, 2016, 07:25:21 AM
I think he'll play in the centre forward position and lead the line so I doubt he'll be in the same areas of Ayew and Grealish at all. I very much see it as our more creative midfielders getting the ball into feet for McCormack, and he also seems capable and skilful enough to create his fair share of assists.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: Ron Manager on August 03, 2016, 07:29:21 AM
It's not a done deal yet  Norwich may improve their offer but he is exactly what we need.
Let's hope it goes through.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: passitsideways on August 03, 2016, 07:40:12 AM
Feels like a bit of a panic buy in response to the admittedly shambolic display going forward on Saturday, but whatever.

I'm a little circumspect about the fact that his goals haven't led his teams anywhere in the past three seasons, but maybe that could just be the rest of his team being shambles rather than him being one of the main roots of the problem; I guess we have to wait and see which of those is the case.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: Matt Collins on August 03, 2016, 07:42:29 AM
I think he'll play in the centre forward position and lead the line so I doubt he'll be in the same areas of Ayew and Grealish at all. I very much see it as our more creative midfielders getting the ball into feet for McCormack, and he also seems capable and skilful enough to create his fair share of assists.

Maybe. He's about 5 foot 9 though so would be quite unusual to play as a central striker in a 4231. Perhaps he and ayew will interchange. I think he can link up well with grealish and ayew, but we do need a threat in behind too
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: PeterWithe on August 03, 2016, 08:10:29 AM
I've not been overly impressed when I've seen him but needs must.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: JJ-AV on August 03, 2016, 08:13:02 AM
It's a lot of money but £14m buys you nothing in the Premier League nowadays.

Not that I'm trying to justify it. I'm concerned, I think it's a bit of a panic buy really, I think Tony will be expecting promotion and I can't see it happening with who we've signed and what we're left with. We're still lining up with 6 players + the rest of the squad who were utter toss last season.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 03, 2016, 08:15:00 AM
Well I didn't particularly want him, but if he joins let's hope he's great. Also it might have the added bonus of demonstrating that there is money available.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: Mister E on August 03, 2016, 08:17:57 AM
I hope Gestede gets moved on if this happens.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: PeterWithe on August 03, 2016, 08:22:23 AM
As much as a find it painful to watch Gestede, he may have some value in this division if we want to play a different, more agricultural way at the end of games.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: Matt Collins on August 03, 2016, 08:26:46 AM
I've not been overly impressed when I've seen him but needs must.

I've never seen him live. What doesn't impress? His stats are great as are his highlight reel - all kinds of goals scored unlike a certain other striker

But there must be a reason no premier league club has really come in for him
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: sid1964 on August 03, 2016, 08:27:25 AM
I worry, that after the money that has been wasted in the last 5 years, that we are panic buying, I hope that we don't give him a 4 + year contract

I hope that he scores us 20+ goals this season and leads us back to the promised land, but without a creative midfield player he may struggle

Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: brian green on August 03, 2016, 08:29:30 AM
He is 50 years younger than I am, a mere boy.  More seriously it is worth £5 million not to have to endure Gestede as our goal "threat".  You can't beat goals from a Villa player to get the crowd back on song.  You young lads would have loved the season when Johnny Dixon and Tommy Thompson got 43 goals between them and neither was centre forward.  That was Dave Walsh once we had prised him loose from LTA's outfit.  He got 8 or 10 in half a season from memory including a hat trick against - Rotherham.  All through the fog of impending dementia of course.  Besides we will only need RM for one season.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: PeterWithe on August 03, 2016, 08:32:23 AM
I've not been overly impressed when I've seen him but needs must.

I've never seen him live. What doesn't impress? His stats are great as are his highlight reel - all kinds of goals scored unlike a certain other striker

But there must be a reason no premier league club has really come in for him

Just that he didn't stand out at all, not quick, not physical, not blessed with any great gift that would elevate him to noticeable I'm sure RDM has seen much more of him and he'll do well.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: Ads on August 03, 2016, 08:42:06 AM
No great gift... bar scoring more goals than anybody else in the past three seasons in a desperate Fulham side.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: olaftab on August 03, 2016, 08:44:03 AM
I have heard he is a football player but have never  seen him play so no idea on good or bad so I have to trust the judgement of those we have put in place to fix our team.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: OCD on August 03, 2016, 08:46:06 AM
I've not been overly impressed when I've seen him but needs must.

I've never seen him live. What doesn't impress? His stats are great as are his highlight reel - all kinds of goals scored unlike a certain other striker

But there must be a reason no premier league club has really come in for him

The same might be said of Troy Deeney but he seemed to do ok last season. Teams tend to be a little wary of being the first to make a move for lower division players especially when their club puts an inflated value on them compared to what they can get abroad.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: pbavfckuwait on August 03, 2016, 08:46:13 AM
The one thing he does do Peter is score goals, it is an area that we have not been blessed in, especially last season, if there is a 20 year old out there and he can do the same thing great let's get him in and agree he does not seem to appeal to Prem outfits, but this season we are not in the prem, if he gives us one season of 20+ goals for 3 million more than what we paid for Nzog again that's fine by me.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: olaftab on August 03, 2016, 08:51:50 AM
Besides we will only need RM for one season.
Yes Christian will be making his way back down the M6 for start of our season back in the First Division 😊
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 03, 2016, 09:03:40 AM
Feels like a bit of a panic buy in response to the admittedly shambolic display going forward on Saturday, but whatever.

I'm a little circumspect about the fact that his goals haven't led his teams anywhere in the past three seasons, but maybe that could just be the rest of his team being shambles rather than him being one of the main roots of the problem; I guess we have to wait and see which of those is the case.

If you believe what you read we've been looking to buy him all summer do not sure about it being a panic buy! I think with a few bods (wages) out, it's time to get 1 or 2 in again.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: Duncan Shaw on August 03, 2016, 09:05:20 AM
Feels like a bit of a panic buy in response to the admittedly shambolic display going forward on Saturday, but whatever.

I'm a little circumspect about the fact that his goals haven't led his teams anywhere in the past three seasons, but maybe that could just be the rest of his team being shambles rather than him being one of the main roots of the problem; I guess we have to wait and see which of those is the case.

If you believe what you read we've been looking to buy him all summer do not sure about it being a panic buy! I think with a few bods (wages) out, it's time to get 1 or 2 in again.

Sell to buy then??!! Just kidding.
A nice statement of intent.  Fulham fan at work is gutted, absolutely loves him.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: cdward on August 03, 2016, 09:11:15 AM
It shows exactly the right intent from the club.
We need to maximise our financial muscle now while we still have the parachute payments that our rivals don't.  If we are too conservative and worry about spending now, we will miss out on promotion and 3 new cash rich relegated teams will be joining from the PL.
If we don't sign McCormack one of our rivals will, so it will be a double blow.
This is exactly the kind of player we need, it shows our intent that we expect to be challenging at the top of this division, we are now one of the big fish in this division we have to use that to our advantage to attract the best players we can.
 
He is a proven goalscorer, he is our Zlatan Ibrahimovic
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: Matt Collins on August 03, 2016, 09:15:50 AM
He gets a lot of assists too. I'm definitely feeling enthusiastic

Intrigued to see how he settles him into the side. I think it may be best to play him behind ayew, grealish left, new signing right and Amavi overlapping as grealish cuts inside. Would depend on the midfield two being good enough technically, tactically and physically to dominate enough of the ball and provide enough protection. Presumably tshibola is intended to make a big difference there - just not sure how quickly

Still want a proper 9 and a right sided creative midfielder, plus another central midfielder
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 03, 2016, 09:18:43 AM
What I do think is that some people are going to criticise this ownership come what may. When we weren't signing anyone we weren't showing any ambition, and now we're apparently signing McCormack we're panic buying.

I didn't particularly want to sign him, but there's no particular indication that it's a panic buy. I imagine we've explored options, which haven't materialised, and now we've gone back to someone we looked at originally.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: Matt Collins on August 03, 2016, 09:19:42 AM
http://www.fulhamfc.com/news/2016/august/03/mccormack-bid-accepted

Get that deal done!
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: PeterWithe on August 03, 2016, 09:23:52 AM
To each his own but I didn't think he was a particularly astute signing when it looked like he was going to Norwich.

I hope he does very well for us.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: ROBBO on August 03, 2016, 09:24:19 AM
He is 50 years younger than I am, a mere boy.  More seriously it is worth £5 million not to have to endure Gestede as our goal "threat".  You can't beat goals from a Villa player to get the crowd back on song.  You young lads would have loved the season when Johnny Dixon and Tommy Thompson got 43 goals between them and neither was centre forward.  That was Dave Walsh once we had prised him loose from LTA's outfit.  He got 8 or 10 in half a season from memory including a hat trick against - Rotherham.  All through the fog of impending dementia of course.  Besides we will only need RM for one season.

Brought tears to my eyes Brian.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 03, 2016, 09:24:43 AM
Feels like a bit of a panic buy in response to the admittedly shambolic display going forward on Saturday, but whatever.

I'm a little circumspect about the fact that his goals haven't led his teams anywhere in the past three seasons, but maybe that could just be the rest of his team being shambles rather than him being one of the main roots of the problem; I guess we have to wait and see which of those is the case.

If you believe what you read we've been looking to buy him all summer do not sure about it being a panic buy! I think with a few bods (wages) out, it's time to get 1 or 2 in again.

Sell to buy then??!! Just kidding.
A nice statement of intent.  Fulham fan at work is gutted, absolutely loves him.

Time will tell on that. At the moment I'm trying to look at with a positive spin and saying that it's being run properly from a wages point of view, trying to make the ongoing cost of the squad more sustainable.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: nigel on August 03, 2016, 09:38:04 AM
I hope Gestede gets moved on if this happens.

If Matt is correct in saying he's only 5' 9"  then we have no height up front, so I can't see Gestede going as he'll give us a different option
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 03, 2016, 09:45:44 AM
I hope Gestede gets moved on if this happens.

If Matt is correct in saying he's only 5' 9"  then we have no height up front, so I can't see Gestede going as he'll give us a different option

Gestede does not really even provide that !!
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: Monty on August 03, 2016, 09:46:03 AM
He knows how to move around defenders in this division, which is important as so many goals at this level come from mistakes. It's a fair old whack of money but that is the going rate for guaranteed success these days, and it'll look cheap if he gets us up. Also, I do like the pure intent shown by just spending big striker money!
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 03, 2016, 09:47:45 AM
I hope Gestede gets moved on if this happens.

If Matt is correct in saying he's only 5' 9"  then we have no height up front, so I can't see Gestede going as he'll give us a different option

Indeed. We would be absolutely fucking nuts to get rid of Rudy, when you consider this, plus the fact that he's capable of scoring 20+ goals at this level, plus the fact that there's about a dozen or so candidates in the squad to be shifted before him.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: passitsideways on August 03, 2016, 09:48:00 AM
What I do think is that some people are going to criticise this ownership come what may. When we weren't signing anyone we weren't showing any ambition, and now we're apparently signing McCormack we're panic buying.

I didn't particularly want to sign him, but there's no particular indication that it's a panic buy. I imagine we've explored options, which haven't materialised, and now we've gone back to someone we looked at originally.

Good thing we're talking about two different sets of people, then. I think the way we've done business so far is very sensible and that any accusations about ambition or complaints about "same old shite" were largely misguided.

Anyway, I qualified my statement as "a bit of a panic buy", and I don't think that's too unfair, because even though we've been getting linked with him all summer (and who knows whether there's actually been talks), the reported price now has been higher than what has been quoted previously. I don't mind overpaying for an area of need providing it's the right player, and as much as striker is one, I'm just skeptical whether McCormack, at that price, fits the bill.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: mr underhill on August 03, 2016, 09:49:28 AM
it will be fine as long as we get the midfield sorted too and another striker in - be it Bamford on loan or someone else
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: Bottom Right 89 on August 03, 2016, 09:52:15 AM
In hindsight we could've saved ourselves £12 million and kept Andi Weimann.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: N'ZMAV on August 03, 2016, 09:53:15 AM
Ross McCormack is a good signing, proven - then we need one more striker, a defensive midfielder, as I can't see Sanchez staying, albeit he is shit, but his Colombia performances might persuade a foreign club to take him off us, than a right back is the next concern. Richards may go, and that leaves us with Alan walk-about Hutton or Leandro Bacuna. Worrying.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: ClaretAndBlueBlood on August 03, 2016, 09:53:23 AM
I hope Gestede gets moved on if this happens.

If Matt is correct in saying he's only 5' 9"  then we have no height up front, so I can't see Gestede going as he'll give us a different option

when Gestede jumps, he only reaches a height of 5'7 so that is an improvement
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 03, 2016, 09:54:30 AM
In hindsight we could've saved ourselves £12 million and kept Andi Weimann.

Did Andi score 20 + goals last year?
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: chrisw1 on August 03, 2016, 09:55:30 AM
In hindsight we could've saved ourselves £12 million and kept Andi Weimann.
I must have missed the 71 goals Andi scored in the last 3 seasons?
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 03, 2016, 09:56:27 AM
it will be fine as long as we get the midfield sorted too and another striker in - be it Bamford on loan or someone else

We certainly need to address the 'goals conceded' column further I agree. A couple more experienced players to plug us up at the other end is essential, and another creative player once Scott 'Can't be arsed to play football' Sinclair is moved on. I think striker wise we're good, with McCormack, Ayew, Gestede and Hepburn-Murphy.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: mattjpa on August 03, 2016, 09:58:48 AM
You missed somebody Clark....
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: Bottom Right 89 on August 03, 2016, 10:02:31 AM
In hindsight we could've saved ourselves £12 million and kept Andi Weimann.
I must have missed the 71 goals Andi scored in the last 3 seasons?
How many Premier League goals has McCormack scored?
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: Monty on August 03, 2016, 10:05:19 AM
In hindsight we could've saved ourselves £12 million and kept Andi Weimann.
I must have missed the 71 goals Andi scored in the last 3 seasons?
How many Premier League goals has McCormack scored?

Remind me which division we're in next year.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on August 03, 2016, 10:07:34 AM
I'm pleased with this signing personally but I can kind of understand why some feel it's a panic buy, especially after the Boro game.

Pat Murphy, who is generally spot on with his Villa related tweets and doesn't speculate, is saying that he heard from an impeccable source a month ago that we weren't interested in McCormack. Over the last 2 weeks loads of impatient fans have been tweeting Dr Tony insisting that we buy McCormack, now all of a sudden we have.

Murphy also reckons we are still interested in Bamford, here's hoping that's true too.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: darren woolley on August 03, 2016, 10:12:51 AM
I would be happy signing him especially if his goals secure us promotion.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 03, 2016, 10:17:21 AM
it will be fine as long as we get the midfield sorted too and another striker in - be it Bamford on loan or someone else

We certainly need to address the 'goals conceded' column further I agree. A couple more experienced players to plug us up at the other end is essential, and another creative player once Scott 'Can't be arsed to play football' Sinclair is moved on. I think striker wise we're good, with McCormack, Ayew, Gestede and Hepburn-Murphy.

you forgot the legend too
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 03, 2016, 10:18:22 AM
In hindsight we could've saved ourselves £12 million and kept Andi Weimann.
I must have missed the 71 goals Andi scored in the last 3 seasons?
How many Premier League goals has McCormack scored?

Doesn't really matter at the moment does it.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: W5AVFC on August 03, 2016, 10:18:55 AM
I watch Fulham occasionally when friends / family have a spare ST and have seen Ross McCormack play. He is very mobile, strong on the ball, can go off both feet and whilst not particularly tall he wins plenty of headers. He is really strong, proper stocky and links up play so he can play on the shoulder for the out ball or drop off and link up play. Personally I am surprised he has never had the opportunity to play in the Premier League, I think he would surprise people.

In fairness he does not look like a modern footballer......  and he always looks sweaty and knackered. On a side note I have no idea what he is like in the dressing room in terms of leadership but he definitely leads by example, always working and happy to take ball under pressure when other players hide.

Would be a good signing.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: Tom_Mc9? on August 03, 2016, 10:21:21 AM
Whilst this thread is about Ross McCormack, I feel compelled to write how bad Andi Weimann was. Especially when he went cupping his ears to the fans after scoring a goal for the first time since Jesus was a lad. He was rubbish. Rubbish!
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: The Edge on August 03, 2016, 10:22:25 AM
If this goes through and if he scores us 20 goals to fire us back into the premier league then the fee will be peanuts.
Then again if my aunty had a pair of bollocks.................
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: cdbullyweefan on August 03, 2016, 10:22:56 AM
Seems a lot of money but if he gets us up, it'll be a snip.

Hopefully should stop people whinging about lack of spending.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: Ads on August 03, 2016, 10:25:56 AM
Whilst this thread is about Ross McCormack, I feel compelled to write how bad Andi Weimann was. Especially when he went cupping his ears to the fans after scoring a goal for the first time since Jesus was a lad. He was rubbish. Rubbish!

To be fair, Andi did smash up the Championship last year in a good Derby side, scoring 52 goals for them.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: N'ZMAV on August 03, 2016, 10:28:26 AM
Whilst this thread is about Ross McCormack, I feel compelled to write how bad Andi Weimann was. Especially when he went cupping his ears to the fans after scoring a goal for the first time since Jesus was a lad. He was rubbish. Rubbish!
his ear-cupping celebration was almost as bad as Gabby trying to shush the haters with his one league goal last season.... pathetic.

Anyway.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: tony_harrison on August 03, 2016, 10:28:33 AM
Whilst this thread is about Ross McCormack, I feel compelled to write how bad Andi Weimann was. Especially when he went cupping his ears to the fans after scoring a goal for the first time since Jesus was a lad. He was rubbish. Rubbish!

Agreed. He hasn't exactly set the Championship alight either has he. McCormack has a good pedigree at this level and hopefully we will see a bucket load more goals at the right end this season! £14 million might be a bit steep but hey ho it's not my money!
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: passitsideways on August 03, 2016, 10:29:15 AM
Reading comments from Fulham fans, it seems like plenty of them do think he was the reason they've stayed up amongst a pit of shambles, so I suppose it's very possible that there's nothing sinister about the fact that his prolific goalscoring record hasn't translated into league position.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 03, 2016, 10:30:46 AM
seems he had a few seasons in the championship where he didnt score many

2010-2011   only two goals
2012-2013     5 goals in 32 games

the last three seasons 65 goals in 133

maybe he played in a deeper role , I have no idea but we are in the championship after a terrible season and I can not see any good alternatives at the moment especially when we should stay clear of the french league at the moment , we need championship experience.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: themossman on August 03, 2016, 10:31:34 AM
My toon supporting mate said this morning said McCormack is the one player he wanted them to get in this summer. We have a new signing here who is genuinely coveted by other teams in our predicament, which is the first time in a while (Bent?)
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 03, 2016, 10:31:53 AM
p,s

I would like  Jedinak
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: Bren'd on August 03, 2016, 10:32:01 AM
I watch Fulham occasionally when friends / family have a spare ST and have seen Ross McCormack play. He is very mobile, strong on the ball, can go off both feet and whilst not particularly tall he wins plenty of headers. He is really strong, proper stocky and links up play so he can play on the shoulder for the out ball or drop off and link up play. Personally I am surprised he has never had the opportunity to play in the Premier League, I think he would surprise people.

In fairness he does not look like a modern footballer......  and he always looks sweaty and knackered. On a side note I have no idea what he is like in the dressing room in terms of leadership but he definitely leads by example, always working and happy to take ball under pressure when other players hide.

Would be a good signing.

We most definitely need some more of that.  We only have Ayew at present. Having the two forwards like it might keep the heads up of the rest when we let in a goal or two.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: Bottom Right 89 on August 03, 2016, 10:32:26 AM
In hindsight we could've saved ourselves £12 million and kept Andi Weimann.
I must have missed the 71 goals Andi scored in the last 3 seasons?
How many Premier League goals has McCormack scored?

Doesn't really matter at the moment does it.
You've got to be planning ahead, this lad will be over 30 when we're back in the top flight. Weimann would've been at his peak next season.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: andyh on August 03, 2016, 10:33:21 AM
I'm pleased with this signing personally but I can kind of understand why some feel it's a panic buy, especially after the Boro game.

Pat Murphy, who is generally spot on with his Villa related tweets and doesn't speculate, is saying that he heard from an impeccable source a month ago that we weren't interested in McCormack. Over the last 2 weeks loads of impatient fans have been tweeting Dr Tony insisting that we buy McCormack, now all of a sudden we have.

Murphy also reckons we are still interested in Bamford, here's hoping that's true too.
We seem to have been linked with him all summer, so I don't think its a panic buy.

on a general note:

I had never really heard of him nor seen him in action until the obligatory Youtube vids were posted.
He does look the business (at this level).
He seems cool and composed and obviously knows where the goal is.

I don't really care about the price.
This club needs a major lift and more than that it needs a new hero and someone the fans can get really excited about.

I hope he is the man to do that, and if he helps put us in contention for promotion, the fee will be chicken feed.       
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 03, 2016, 10:37:03 AM
In hindsight we could've saved ourselves £12 million and kept Andi Weimann.
I must have missed the 71 goals Andi scored in the last 3 seasons?
How many Premier League goals has McCormack scored?

Doesn't really matter at the moment does it.
You've got to be planning ahead, this lad will be over 30 when we're back in the top flight. Weimann would've been at his peak next season.

More importantly you've got to be planning for now. McCormack scores goals at the level we're playing at; how many has Weimann got for Derby?
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: garyshawsknee on August 03, 2016, 10:38:55 AM
While you can't knock a tryer, not sure Weimann will ever reach his peak.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: QuintonVilla on August 03, 2016, 10:39:22 AM
Seems a lot of money but if he gets us up, it'll be a snip.

Hopefully should stop people whinging about lack of spending.
We only bid £12m once it became clear that we'd be getting £12m for Gueye and Clark though. Coincidence or is there really not much money and we need to sell to buy?
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 03, 2016, 10:53:04 AM
Seems a lot of money but if he gets us up, it'll be a snip.

Hopefully should stop people whinging about lack of spending.
We only bid £12m once it became clear that we'd be getting £12m for Gueye and Clark though. Coincidence or is there really not much money and we need to sell to buy?

Even if that is the case (and I don't think it is), it could be due to financial fair play. Look at the mess QPR got themselves in breaking the rules to get promoted. I suspect it is more about clearing the wage bill and we are now more likely to agree personal terms.

Anyway swapping out an error prone reserve centre back and an ineffectual wantaway midfielder to get the highest scorer in our league seems like bloody good business to me.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 03, 2016, 10:54:20 AM
I don't think FFP applies to new owners for a limited amount of time.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: Ads on August 03, 2016, 10:55:13 AM
In hindsight we could've saved ourselves £12 million and kept Andi Weimann.
I must have missed the 71 goals Andi scored in the last 3 seasons?
How many Premier League goals has McCormack scored?

Doesn't really matter at the moment does it.
You've got to be planning ahead, this lad will be over 30 when we're back in the top flight. Weimann would've been at his peak next season .

On your first point, that's a first world problem that we can consider when we're back up there. Its all about getting back, as soon as possible, by hook or by crook.

On your second point, he may reach his peak, but so what? He's shit.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: Ads on August 03, 2016, 10:56:00 AM
Seems a lot of money but if he gets us up, it'll be a snip.

Hopefully should stop people whinging about lack of spending.
We only bid £12m once it became clear that we'd be getting £12m for Gueye and Clark though. Coincidence or is there really not much money and we need to sell to buy?

What about the £13 million we'd spent on Elphick, Gollini and Tshibola?
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: paul_e on August 03, 2016, 11:03:20 AM
I don't think FFP applies to new owners for a limited amount of time.

It also doesn't apply in the first season in the league, in any meaningful way.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: aj2k77 on August 03, 2016, 11:03:43 AM
In hindsight we could've saved ourselves £12 million and kept Andi Weimann.

Have you been on the Gin already?
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: Deano's Mullet on August 03, 2016, 11:05:05 AM
excited about this if we do get him
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: cdbullyweefan on August 03, 2016, 11:07:10 AM
Seems a lot of money but if he gets us up, it'll be a snip.

Hopefully should stop people whinging about lack of spending.
We only bid £12m once it became clear that we'd be getting £12m for Gueye and Clark though. Coincidence or is there really not much money and we need to sell to buy?

In

McCormack 12m
Tshibola 6m
Elphick 4m
Gollini 4m

Out

Gana 7m
Clark 5m

Net spend

14m.

Not too shabby for a Division Two side.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: passitsideways on August 03, 2016, 11:11:19 AM
Seems a lot of money but if he gets us up, it'll be a snip.

Hopefully should stop people whinging about lack of spending.
We only bid £12m once it became clear that we'd be getting £12m for Gueye and Clark though. Coincidence or is there really not much money and we need to sell to buy?

In

McCormack 12m
Tshibola 6m
Elphick 4m
Gollini 4m

Out

Gana 7m
Clark 5m

Net spend

14m.

Not too shabby for a Division Two side.

Add a decent midfielder and maybe another defender, sell a couple of others, and it'd be up to 20 million, which is somewhere in the region of what the Doctor suggested would be available back at the time of takeover. Funny that.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: peter w on August 03, 2016, 11:14:41 AM
Reading comments from Fulham fans, it seems like plenty of them do think he was the reason they've stayed up amongst a pit of shambles, so I suppose it's very possible that there's nothing sinister about the fact that his prolific goalscoring record hasn't translated into league position.

You could say the same about Benteke's goals for us.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: peter w on August 03, 2016, 11:16:39 AM
Seems a lot of money but if he gets us up, it'll be a snip.

Hopefully should stop people whinging about lack of spending.
We only bid £12m once it became clear that we'd be getting £12m for Gueye and Clark though. Coincidence or is there really not much money and we need to sell to buy?

In

McCormack 12m
Tshibola 6m
Elphick 4m
Gollini 4m

Out

Gana 7m
Clark 5m

Net spend

14m.

Not too shabby for a Division Two side.

So if he signs we will have bought a completely new spine. Given that what we were last season at least Di Matteo has shown that he can see what we need.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: Nelly on August 03, 2016, 11:18:19 AM
Glad to see this, if we can get the supply to the forwards sorted we'll do well this season.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: Damo70 on August 03, 2016, 11:18:50 AM
In hindsight we could've saved ourselves £12 million and kept Andi Weimann.
I must have missed the 71 goals Andi scored in the last 3 seasons?
How many Premier League goals has McCormack scored?

Doesn't really matter at the moment does it.
You've got to be planning ahead, this lad will be over 30 when we're back in the top flight. Weimann would've been at his peak next season .

On your first point, that's a first world problem that we can consider when we're back up there. Its all about getting back, as soon as possible, by hook or by crook.

On your second point, he may reach his peak, but so what? He's shit.


Spot on. It is all about getting back asap by hook or by crook. I wasn't a massive fan of Steve Sims, David Hunt or Malcolm Allen but they helped us get back up at the first time of asking.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: Bottom Right 89 on August 03, 2016, 11:20:46 AM
In hindsight we could've saved ourselves £12 million and kept Andi Weimann.

Have you been on the Gin already?
I'm only messing about while we wait for the Villa shirt aloft and the keep me ups pictures from BH. I would however like to point out that McCormacks goal scoring record was pretty similar to Weimanns at the same age :)

Also when checking this I did notice its Weimann 25th birthday tomorrow does anyone want to sign his card?
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 03, 2016, 11:22:13 AM
Andy Lochhead was past his peak when we signed him. He had no resale value and would have been crap in division one.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: placeforparks on August 03, 2016, 11:24:18 AM
"proven goalscorer, creative, lacks pace - the kind of player you should build a team around, rather than the shitsters we surrounded him with."

verdict from my fulham supporting mate on mccormack.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: four fornicholl on August 03, 2016, 11:28:27 AM
Macolm Allen was no fan of OLeary neither.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: VillaAlways on August 03, 2016, 11:38:56 AM
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Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: not3bad on August 03, 2016, 11:39:36 AM
 “I've seen they're in for Ross McCormack, that could make the difference. He's the best player outside the Premier League.”

Ian Holloway when he heard Norwich were in for McCormack
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: paul_e on August 03, 2016, 11:42:10 AM
"proven goalscorer, creative, lacks pace - the kind of player you should build a team around, rather than the shitsters we surrounded him with."

verdict from my fulham supporting mate on mccormack.

The bold bit is my  major concern but it won't matter if we get the other signings right.

What I want to see now is a fast striker, a midfielder who can add some goals and a right back who can cross a ball and I think that will be enough for this window.  People have called for a winger but I'd like to see Green and Traore given a chance for a few months and then review that one in January.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: chrisw1 on August 03, 2016, 11:49:44 AM
"proven goalscorer, creative, lacks pace - the kind of player you should build a team around, rather than the shitsters we surrounded him with."

verdict from my fulham supporting mate on mccormack.
Whilst lacking pace is not ideal, as he does not rely on pace hopefully it will mean age will be less of a factor in his game over the next 3-4 years.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 03, 2016, 11:50:28 AM
In hindsight we could've saved ourselves £12 million and kept Andi Weimann.
I must have missed the 71 goals Andi scored in the last 3 seasons?
How many Premier League goals has McCormack scored?

Doesn't really matter at the moment does it.
You've got to be planning ahead, this lad will be over 30 when we're back in the top flight. Weimann would've been at his peak next season .

On your first point, that's a first world problem that we can consider when we're back up there. Its all about getting back, as soon as possible, by hook or by crook.

On your second point, he may reach his peak, but so what? He's shit.


Spot on. It is all about getting back asap by hook or by crook. I wasn't a massive fan of Steve Sims, David Hunt or Malcolm Allen but they helped us get back up at the first time of asking.

Im not sure David Hunt helped at all - worse player I have ever seen
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: Damo70 on August 03, 2016, 11:53:20 AM
In hindsight we could've saved ourselves £12 million and kept Andi Weimann.
I must have missed the 71 goals Andi scored in the last 3 seasons?
How many Premier League goals has McCormack scored?

Doesn't really matter at the moment does it.
You've got to be planning ahead, this lad will be over 30 when we're back in the top flight. Weimann would've been at his peak next season .

On your first point, that's a first world problem that we can consider when we're back up there. Its all about getting back, as soon as possible, by hook or by crook.

On your second point, he may reach his peak, but so what? He's shit.


Spot on. It is all about getting back asap by hook or by crook. I wasn't a massive fan of Steve Sims, David Hunt or Malcolm Allen but they helped us get back up at the first time of asking.

Im not sure David Hunt helped at all - worse player I have ever seen


He was a nineteen eighties Ashley Westwood.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: LeeB on August 03, 2016, 11:54:23 AM
He had nice hair and a suspiciously good tan.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 03, 2016, 11:58:45 AM
In hindsight we could've saved ourselves £12 million and kept Andi Weimann.
I must have missed the 71 goals Andi scored in the last 3 seasons?
How many Premier League goals has McCormack scored?

Doesn't really matter at the moment does it.
You've got to be planning ahead, this lad will be over 30 when we're back in the top flight. Weimann would've been at his peak next season .

On your first point, that's a first world problem that we can consider when we're back up there. Its all about getting back, as soon as possible, by hook or by crook.

On your second point, he may reach his peak, but so what? He's shit.


Spot on. It is all about getting back asap by hook or by crook. I wasn't a massive fan of Steve Sims, David Hunt or Malcolm Allen but they helped us get back up at the first time of asking.

Im not sure David Hunt helped at all - worse player I have ever seen


He was a nineteen eighties Ashley Westwood.

maybe im being harsh

http://www.davidhuntsoccerschool.co.uk/about/
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: Damo70 on August 03, 2016, 12:00:14 PM
He had nice hair and a suspiciously good tan.

The polar opposite of his brother Steve who was lacking in the hair department and quite pale. I met Steve Hunt briefly after the Ipswich game which was SGT's first game in charge of Villa. He was smoking a fag. It amused me as I always associated him with that no smoking Albion kit.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: Chris Jameson on August 03, 2016, 12:28:08 PM
'OW MUCH?

World's gone mad.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on August 03, 2016, 12:28:25 PM
He had nice hair and a suspiciously good tan.

The polar opposite of his brother Steve who was lacking in the hair department and quite pale. I met Steve Hunt briefly after the Ipswich game which was SGT's first game in charge of Villa. He was smoking a fag. It amused me as I always associated him with that no smoking Albion kit.

They're brothers? I had no idea. My mental image of the Hunts all these years later resembles Wilfrid Brambell and Andrew Ridgeley.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: Damo70 on August 03, 2016, 12:34:39 PM
He had nice hair and a suspiciously good tan.

The polar opposite of his brother Steve who was lacking in the hair department and quite pale. I met Steve Hunt briefly after the Ipswich game which was SGT's first game in charge of Villa. He was smoking a fag. It amused me as I always associated him with that no smoking Albion kit.

They're brothers? I had no idea. My mental image of the Hunts all these years later resembles Wilfrid Brambell and Andrew Ridgeley.



I'm pretty sure that early on in the promotion season we had both the Hunt brothers and the Gray twins in our starting eleven. We could of had the Gray triplets if SGT hadn't let the slightly paler Andy (who has kids and calls two of them Andy?) go to Notts County on loan and then flogged him to Albion.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on August 03, 2016, 12:38:40 PM
Andy Gray's got two kids called Andy? Blimey. Similarly I seem to recall that Emlyn Hughes named his son Emlyn and his daughter Emma Lynn.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: Witton Warrior on August 03, 2016, 12:42:19 PM
What catches my eye is the fact he can score from a free-kick. We seem to have been sadly lacking any threat from these since Bacuna went sh*t on them...
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: mr underhill on August 03, 2016, 12:43:42 PM
well I hope he comes because I have just bought my season ticket after years of not having one
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: Damo70 on August 03, 2016, 12:45:25 PM
He had nice hair and a suspiciously good tan.

The polar opposite of his brother Steve who was lacking in the hair department and quite pale. I met Steve Hunt briefly after the Ipswich game which was SGT's first game in charge of Villa. He was smoking a fag. It amused me as I always associated him with that no smoking Albion kit.

They're brothers? I had no idea. My mental image of the Hunts all these years later resembles Wilfrid Brambell and Andrew Ridgeley.

Your comparison of Steve and David Hunt to Wilfred Brambell and Andrew Ridgeley is one of the best posts I have ever read on here. I hold my hands up and admit I genuinely cried with laughter. I'm still laughing now.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: Mister E on August 03, 2016, 12:56:30 PM
I hope Gestede gets moved on if this happens.

If Matt is correct in saying he's only 5' 9"  then we have no height up front, so I can't see Gestede going as he'll give us a different option
Kozak and Davis offer height and appear to be better footballers.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: cdbullyweefan on August 03, 2016, 12:58:33 PM
Davis? Who he?
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: Lastfootstamper on August 03, 2016, 12:59:26 PM
"proven goalscorer, creative, lacks pace - the kind of player you should build a team around, rather than the shitsters we surrounded him with."

verdict from my fulham supporting mate on mccormack.

The bold bit is my  major concern but it won't matter if we get the other signings right.

What I want to see now is a fast striker, a midfielder who can add some goals and a right back who can cross a ball and I think that will be enough for this window.  People have called for a winger but I'd like to see Green and Traore given a chance for a few months and then review that one in January.

As you say, getting the other signings right is what will matter. There's not many in the world who could be classed as goalscoring, creative and pacy, even fewer in our current pond.

And a right-back who can cross would solve a multitude of problems. It's a position I'd not mind seeing us spunk a few quid on. It's hard to think of when, post-Delaney, it's generally not annoyed me. Luke Young, maybe, when he got to play there.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: Mister E on August 03, 2016, 01:03:21 PM
Davis? Who he?
Villa academy player - may be too soon for him, but he has potential.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: PGW on August 03, 2016, 01:05:28 PM
I know it was Worcester City but he was hot.  nice and tall i would hope he is one that will get game time this season.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: paul_e on August 03, 2016, 01:11:33 PM
I know it was Worcester City but he was hot.  nice and tall i would hope he is one that will get game time this season.

Looks like a bit of a unit as well.

(http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/keinan-davis-of-aston-villa-during-the-preseason-friendly-match-and-picture-id585263032?k=6&m=585263032&s=594x594&w=0&h=-P5K6Zql1e1AfSjNFB53kCJbiDTj2UGyvzwbYcuNmdg=)
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: paul_e on August 03, 2016, 01:13:11 PM
"proven goalscorer, creative, lacks pace - the kind of player you should build a team around, rather than the shitsters we surrounded him with."

verdict from my fulham supporting mate on mccormack.

The bold bit is my  major concern but it won't matter if we get the other signings right.

What I want to see now is a fast striker, a midfielder who can add some goals and a right back who can cross a ball and I think that will be enough for this window.  People have called for a winger but I'd like to see Green and Traore given a chance for a few months and then review that one in January.

As you say, getting the other signings right is what will matter. There's not many in the world who could be classed as goalscoring, creative and pacy, even fewer in our current pond.

And a right-back who can cross would solve a multitude of problems. It's a position I'd not mind seeing us spunk a few quid on. It's hard to think of when, post-Delaney, it's generally not annoyed me. Luke Young, maybe, when he got to play there.

Yep, if we were only to get 2 more I'd live with it if it meant big money a pacey striker and a right back.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: KevinGage on August 03, 2016, 01:28:08 PM
"proven goalscorer, creative, lacks pace - the kind of player you should build a team around, rather than the shitsters we surrounded him with."

verdict from my fulham supporting mate on mccormack.

The bold bit is my  major concern but it won't matter if we get the other signings right.

What I want to see now is a fast striker, a midfielder who can add some goals and a right back who can cross a ball and I think that will be enough for this window.  People have called for a winger but I'd like to see Green and Traore given a chance for a few months and then review that one in January.

I'd naturally take the word of a Fulham fan over most others as they'll have seen plenty of him over the past few years.

But from what I have seen of him, we aren't talking Barry-slow.

He looks nippy, but not the express pace that gets supporters off their seats.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: Duncan Shaw on August 03, 2016, 01:33:30 PM
Haven't we got Adama to inject pace?    ..........gets coat............
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: Ads on August 03, 2016, 01:33:51 PM
If we're spending most home games standing in front of a parked bus, then it will be more the speed of movement off the ball rather than straight line pace that we will need.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: Ads on August 03, 2016, 01:36:59 PM
Not only has he scored more than anybody else in the last three years, but he's created more too. 19 assists last season in a shocking Fulham side.

Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: Ger Regan on August 03, 2016, 01:43:48 PM
I was nonplussed about him, until I saw the highlights package posted yesterday (I know, I know). We desperately need something up front, and he could be ideal for what we need right now. If we do get promoted, regardless of whatever else he does it would be worth the money.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: FatSam on August 03, 2016, 01:58:43 PM
In hindsight we could've saved ourselves £12 million and kept Andi Weimann.
We did get more than £3m for Weimann, so more like £9m. I agree that £12m for a 30 year old is a lot though.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: Small Rodent on August 03, 2016, 02:03:58 PM
I tend not to take much notice in much football beyond Villa, but even I was aware that he scores a lot.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: passitsideways on August 03, 2016, 02:06:55 PM
If we can get this tied up by, say, the end of Thursday, do we reckon he can at least make an appearance off the bench on Sunday? Really don't fancy seeing Rudy lumber about for most of the game - though I suppose we try Ayew leading the line in a 4-3-3, or drafting in a wildcard like Green to play in the three with Grealish and Bacuna.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: ozzjim on August 03, 2016, 02:19:04 PM
Gestede up top with Grealish and Ayew behind and 3 genuine midfielders behind would be my choice at the weekend. Losing too much ground in midfield away from home could be suicidal.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 03, 2016, 02:23:31 PM
What he lacks in pace he makes up for in intelligence. You can't teach everything and he has an amazing ability to make something out of very little or simply be in the right place at the right time. His movement gets him into positions that are a step ahead of the defence and at this level where the standard isn't as high that is priceless.

Not that I would ever compare someone to McGrath, but what elevated the great man above your bog standard outstanding defender was this ability to be able to stay a step or two ahead of the play. That there was this subconscious ability to know what is about to take place. McCormack has that to a lesser degree that at this level he is able to create chances for himself or just find himself in space to be able to take shots. Take a look at his video montage for evidence of that. It's a mix of goals that he scores not all the same which makes him that much more dangerous.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: Gareth on August 03, 2016, 02:24:35 PM
Seems a lot of money but if he gets us up, it'll be a snip.

Hopefully should stop people whinging about lack of spending.
We only bid £12m once it became clear that we'd be getting £12m for Gueye and Clark though. Coincidence or is there really not much money and we need to sell to buy?

In

McCormack 12m
Tshibola 6m
Elphick 4m
Gollini 4m

Out

Gana 7m
Clark 5m

Net spend

14m.

Not too shabby for a Division Two side.

Not too bad for a club that hasn't got a pot to pee in! :-) I fully expect that figure to be over 20m net by the end of the window....though if we manage to offload Sinclair, Richards & Westwood for 10-12m combined then a final net of 14m will be very good
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 03, 2016, 02:26:43 PM
I'll take intelligent spending over net spend any day. If we can invest really well while moving players on, keeping our net spend to a minimum that would be ideal. That and bring kids through who make a difference.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: UK Redsox on August 03, 2016, 02:33:56 PM
Strikes me as Jordan Rhodes but with a better all-round game.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on August 03, 2016, 02:35:27 PM
A 30 year old, 1 goal in 3 striker for £15m.  I suppose that's the going rate these days. If we get 20 goals out of him next season, that will be good business. Let's be honest, nobody knows a great deal about him or how what he can do for us but I'd sooner be giving him a chance than that fat fucker, Gabby. We know what he's like and what he thinks of us
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: mr underhill on August 03, 2016, 02:44:21 PM
the fee keeps going up - I thought it was a basic £12m?
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: AVH87 on August 03, 2016, 03:05:00 PM
the fee keeps going up - I thought it was a basic £12m?

I read 12m too, potential add ons taking it up to 14m - assuming that applies if he scores a shed load, so if we are paying the extra 2m things are going very well.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: paul_e on August 03, 2016, 03:07:21 PM
the fee keeps going up - I thought it was a basic £12m?

I read 12m too, potential add ons taking it up to 14m - assuming that applies if he scores a shed load, so if we are paying the extra 2m things are going very well.

score 20 and promotion for £1m each would seem reasonable.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: CT on August 03, 2016, 03:24:29 PM
Genuine goal scorers, at whatever level, are going to cost.

We might actually have a player capable of putting the ball in the opponents net again.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: themossman on August 03, 2016, 03:26:26 PM
Genuine goal scorers, at whatever level, are going to cost.

We might actually have a player capable of putting the ball in the opponents net again.

We learned all about the disproportionate effect they have on teams when we lost Benteke.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: Nastylee on August 03, 2016, 03:54:38 PM
When you see Lukaku being touted at £70m then £12m is just a sign of the times.

FWIW, looking at the clips he is genuinely two footed, can score long distance goals and looks composed in the last third. Since we have had very few players that fit this description then I'm willing to give him a chance. The fee doesn't bother me one jot. We have a new owner who apparently has the clout to make us a major force so I won't lose any sleep about not getting value or resale potential.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: ACVilla on August 03, 2016, 04:07:53 PM
My Uncle is a long time Fulham season ticket holder, this is what he messaged me when I asked him what we're buying:

Goals, confidence, goals, generosity (team player - happy to give younger players a penalty). Only argument I've seen is the team has to play to accommodate him. Sad to see him go. As I was when our other goalscorer left......
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: Gregorys Boy on August 03, 2016, 04:34:34 PM
His age and fitness are the question marks when it comes to the price tag.  But it is the crazy market we are working in.  Like someone else said if his goals make a difference in bringing us back up then I think it will be worth it.  He ticks all the boxes for the sort of striker we have been lacking.  Think his movement and pace will help out those in front of him too.  A couple more strong siginings and I will actually fancy our chances.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: class-of-82 on August 03, 2016, 04:35:49 PM
Da Rossi

Welcome
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: Dave Cooper please on August 03, 2016, 04:41:41 PM
Haven't we got Adama to inject pace?    ..........gets coat............

We have to pay him an extra £25K every time he breaks into a fast jog apparently.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: in exile on August 03, 2016, 04:55:47 PM
In hindsight we could've saved ourselves £12 million and kept Andi Weimann.

Have you been on the Gin already?
I'm only messing about while we wait for the Villa shirt aloft and the keep me ups pictures from BH. I would however like to point out that McCormacks goal scoring record was pretty similar to Weimanns at the same age :)

Also when checking this I did notice its Weimann 25th birthday tomorrow does anyone want to sign his card?
Just you
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: Steve kirk on August 03, 2016, 05:53:41 PM
If Ross fires us back to the Premier the 12 million will seem well worth it as would any add ons.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: garyshawsknee on August 03, 2016, 05:55:08 PM
Yeah, way over the top fee, but it'll be worth up if we go up within a year. Bit like Bent scoring those goals when he first came in.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: Dazvillain on August 03, 2016, 05:56:02 PM
As we were seeing pics of gueye and clarke around their new homes yesterday pre official announcements , have we any pics or sightings of McCormack at BMH or VP at all yet ?
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: VillaAlways on August 03, 2016, 05:57:42 PM
As we were seeing pics of gueye and clarke around their new homes yesterday pre official announcements , have we any pics or sightings of McCormack at BMH or VP at all yet ?
Yep. Video footage on SSN of him arriving at BMH
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: Dazvillain on August 03, 2016, 05:58:59 PM
As we were seeing pics of gueye and clarke around their new homes yesterday pre official announcements , have we any pics or sightings of McCormack at BMH or VP at all yet ?
Yep. Video footage on SSN of him arriving at BMH
cheers
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: Matt Collins on August 03, 2016, 06:01:32 PM
The best thing about selling Clark is that we won't have to see his name spelt incorrectly on here any more
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: citizenDJ on August 03, 2016, 06:47:26 PM
The best thing about selling Clark is that we won't have to see his name spelt incorrectly on here any more

Exactly. Thank God for that release claus.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: brian green on August 03, 2016, 06:51:40 PM
Thank Santa for that release Claus.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 03, 2016, 06:55:59 PM
Give us a C-C
Give us a L -L
Give us anA -A
Give us an R -R
Give us a K-K
Don't give us an E
What have you got
A league one defender.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: luca_30 on August 03, 2016, 07:06:49 PM
Tony has prehaps let the cat out of the bag on Twitter
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: villadelph on August 03, 2016, 07:08:05 PM
Tony has prehaps let the cat out of the bag on Twitter

Sure seems like it..
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: dave shelley on August 03, 2016, 07:09:31 PM
Please elaborate, we don't all do Twitter.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: villadelph on August 03, 2016, 07:11:39 PM
Please elaborate, we don't all do Twitter.

@Dr_TonyXia  · 8m minutes ago 

Goooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooppppoooo,UTV!👏🏻

[Video of McCormack goal highlights]
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: Ron Manager on August 03, 2016, 07:12:01 PM
Sorry I can't work out what he is saying. Someone enlighten me!
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 03, 2016, 07:12:42 PM
Dr. Tony Xia ‏@Dr_TonyXia  8m
Goooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooppppoooo,UTV!

And a video of McCormack scoring.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: dave shelley on August 03, 2016, 07:13:36 PM
Ta.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: Mister E on August 03, 2016, 07:14:39 PM
Please elaborate, we don't all do Twitter.

@Dr_TonyXia  · 8m minutes ago 

Goooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooppppoooo,UTV!👏🏻

[Video of McCormack goal highlights]

8 million minutes' ago? That's over 15 years' ago.
Let's do the time warp again!
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: cdbullyweefan on August 04, 2016, 08:39:17 AM
Any chance we can not sign him till Friday night so he can score the winners against Newcastle and Wednesday?
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: ozzjim on August 04, 2016, 08:51:12 AM
930 according to the good doctor. Needs to give twitter a rest once the season starts though!
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: Bottom Right 89 on August 04, 2016, 08:58:52 AM
930 according to the good doctor. Needs to give twitter a rest once the season starts though!
Agreed it's ok while a ball hasn't been kicked imagine if we lose 3 on the bounce, he's going to get dogs abuse.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: dave shelley on August 04, 2016, 09:02:24 AM
930 according to the good doctor. Needs to give twitter a rest once the season starts though!
Agreed it's ok while a ball hasn't been kicked imagine if we lose 3 on the bounce, he's going to get dogs abuse.

Er...enough of the losing three on the bounce please.  We've seen too much of that.   ;)
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: Edvard Remberg on August 04, 2016, 09:24:36 AM
IncogAVFC has had a few correct ones (and not posted much on twitter). Said a few times Ravel is done deal as well
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 04, 2016, 09:32:53 AM
done!! welcome Ross
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: manic-road on August 04, 2016, 09:33:58 AM
Welcome to the Villa Ross, bag some goals and get us promoted.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: curiousorange on August 04, 2016, 09:34:04 AM
Sweet. Great signing.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Deano's Mullet on August 04, 2016, 09:37:11 AM
V happy with this.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: cdbullyweefan on August 04, 2016, 09:37:28 AM
Welcome Ross Mc.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: dave shelley on August 04, 2016, 09:38:46 AM
Welcome Ross, add your name to the long line of Scottish hero's this club has been built on.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: Bottom Right 89 on August 04, 2016, 09:40:01 AM
Look he's no Andi Weimann but I think he'll come good!

Last time we had a Mc something leading the line in the Championship he became a Holte End hero.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: robbo1874 on August 04, 2016, 09:43:18 AM
Maybe the song could be updated now we're in the 2nd division again?
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: godzvilla on August 04, 2016, 09:44:04 AM
At last !!.....a real, proven, actual , authentic  goalscorer.
Welcome Ross....lang may yer lum reek.....................Godzvilla!
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Ron Manager on August 04, 2016, 09:47:41 AM
This signing shows intent and that is good.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 04, 2016, 09:49:34 AM
Have my doubts about this one tbh but welcome nonetheless.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: VillaAlways on August 04, 2016, 09:49:36 AM
We couldn't have hoped for a better signing. Hit the ground running Ross and bring some confidence back!
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: JD on August 04, 2016, 09:52:41 AM
Welcome to the best club in the world RM. Carry on your scoring record and you will be a big hero. 
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Singapore Villa on August 04, 2016, 09:52:45 AM
Happy with that.  Welcome Ross.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: MalcolmP on August 04, 2016, 09:55:03 AM
What use is a striker who scores goals if he gets no service? Don't get too excited.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: cdbullyweefan on August 04, 2016, 09:56:27 AM
Do you think our service will be worse than Fulham's? Because he scored shitloads for them.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 04, 2016, 09:56:48 AM
Welcome Ross, very happy with this one. I agree that he needs a bit more behind him though to be properly successful.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Dr Butler on August 04, 2016, 09:58:41 AM
nice one....do ya best at B6 Ross

UTV
The Doc
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: MalcolmP on August 04, 2016, 09:59:06 AM
Do you think our service will be worse than Fulham's? Because he scored shitloads for them.
Do you think our service will be worse than Fulham's? Because he scored shitloads for them.

Yes with our current midfield - no wingers no creativity !! We need to follow this up with a creative attacking midfielder.
Gestede scored shitloads at Blackburn - got no service at Villa scored shitblanks
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: exiled on the wirral! on August 04, 2016, 10:02:01 AM
Do you think our service will be worse than Fulham's? Because he scored shitloads for them.
Do you think our service will be worse than Fulham's? Because he scored shitloads for them.

Yes with our current midfield - no wingers no creativity !! We need to follow this up with a creative attacking midfielder.
Gestede scored shitloads at Blackburn - got no service at Villa scored shitblanks
Other signings are in the pipeline..why not apply a bit of patience!.. Great signing.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Fin Feds Dad on August 04, 2016, 10:02:13 AM
Have my doubts about this one tbh but welcome nonetheless.

Think in our current circumstances , he is about right for us . Think Gayle would have been a good signing but the barcodes got him - whilst the takeover was going through.

Serious question, who else would you have gone for ?
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 04, 2016, 10:03:16 AM
Have my doubts as well, but no one can argue this doesn't show intent or that Dr Xia is prepared to supply funding. Good luck Ross do a job for us and get us promoted.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: l_mckay on August 04, 2016, 10:08:24 AM
Hopefully score the goals to get us back up. Good luck Ross.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: simboy on August 04, 2016, 10:18:23 AM
Good luck Ross.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Jimbo on August 04, 2016, 10:19:27 AM
Welcome, Ross. Still plenty to do to get the best out of him.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 04, 2016, 10:31:44 AM
Over the moon with this signing. Exactly what we need, and a real two fingers to our promotion rivals. I would have been worried had he gone to Norwich, and would far rather have RM than Gayle.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on August 04, 2016, 10:43:48 AM
Welcome, Ross, to the best football club in the World!


I hope you have the best days of your career with AVFC!


UTV!
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Proposition Joe on August 04, 2016, 10:53:34 AM
So we have a finisher, we just need to figure out how to create chances now.

I'm not sure signing a 'creative' player or two will actually see us create that many more chances. There is something fundamentally stale about the way the team is set up for the last few seasons: formations, tempo, movement. This needs a serious overhaul too.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: rob_bridge on August 04, 2016, 10:56:03 AM
Nice one

Welcome here Ross - goals pay the rent
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 04, 2016, 10:58:26 AM
So we have a finisher, we just need to figure out how to create chances now.

I'm not sure signing a 'creative' player or two will actually see us create that many more chances. There is something fundamentally stale about the way the team is set up for the last few seasons: formations, tempo, movement. This needs a serious overhaul too.

Spot on. I think he's a good signing and will score goals, but your last two sentences sum up the last few years.

I think a lot of it is psychological brought on by a toxic mix of low expectations by the owner and fear of failure by the managers.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: UK Redsox on August 04, 2016, 11:01:58 AM
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: passitsideways on August 04, 2016, 11:05:01 AM
So we have a finisher, we just need to figure out how to create chances now.

I'm not sure signing a 'creative' player or two will actually see us create that many more chances. There is something fundamentally stale about the way the team is set up for the last few seasons: formations, tempo, movement. This needs a serious overhaul too.

Spot on. I think he's a good signing and will score goals, but your last two sentences sum up the last few years.

I think a lot of it is psychological brought on by a toxic mix of low expectations by the owner and fear of failure by the managers.

I think his movement and general goal threat will make it easier for everyone else to create chances. We could definitely use another creative player though; alternatively, it'd be brilliant if Traore or Green or someone unexpected comes to the forefront.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: old man villa fan on August 04, 2016, 11:42:39 AM
So we have a finisher, we just need to figure out how to create chances now.

I'm not sure signing a 'creative' player or two will actually see us create that many more chances. There is something fundamentally stale about the way the team is set up for the last few seasons: formations, tempo, movement. This needs a serious overhaul too.

Spot on. I think he's a good signing and will score goals, but your last two sentences sum up the last few years.

I think a lot of it is psychological brought on by a toxic mix of low expectations by the owner and fear of failure by the managers.

I think his movement and general goal threat will make it easier for everyone else to create chances. We could definitely use another creative player though; alternatively, it'd be brilliant if Traore or Green or someone unexpected comes to the forefront.

Our build up play last season was mainly through Westwood and Hutton.  The build up was slow and in many cases ended with negative play going backwards.

If you took both of these players out of the team and replaced them with more positive and better players you would see a massive improvement in our play and chances created.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Damo70 on August 04, 2016, 11:47:47 AM
I would like to think the likes of Sinclair and Grealish could create things in this division. And the likes of McCormack and Gestede can finish in this division.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: darren woolley on August 04, 2016, 11:56:35 AM
Welcome Ross I'm happy he's signed now hope to see you scoring the goals that get us promoted.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Mister E on August 04, 2016, 12:11:38 PM
RM, Ayew, RHM, Davis ... who else to play upfront. Personally, I'd like to see Kozak come good but it looks unlikely. Gestede is a busted flush as far as I'm concerned and Flabby would only be acceptable if fitter and committed.
With Green as a winger and Amavi hugging the left flank; and Grealish + new creative midfielder we should have the ammunition to score.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: pbavfckuwait on August 04, 2016, 12:18:39 PM
Welcome to Villa Park Ross, may you break the net on a regular basis.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Chris Jameson on August 04, 2016, 12:55:26 PM
"I am suprised the papers have not thrown in Ross McCormack at Leeds as a transfer rumour. That has a Paul Lambert signing written all over it ."

A quote from 2014 on H&V!
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: UK Redsox on August 04, 2016, 01:07:09 PM
..annnnnnnnnd stretchhhhhhhhhhh


(https://d16b4kgyytl7c7.cloudfront.net/~/media/McCormackSignsMain2.ashx?h=720&la=en&mw=1280&w=1280&vs=1&d=20160804T082212Z&hash=C086032A183CFFE9E246E3199AF1BBDD9F023FAD)
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: wittonwarrior on August 04, 2016, 01:11:18 PM
Potentially the best signing to date
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Nelly on August 04, 2016, 01:17:27 PM
Quality shirt stretch there, good to see!
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Risso on August 04, 2016, 01:29:44 PM
I don't know if this has been asked before, and apologies if it has, but he doesn't seem to have appeared very much for Fulham in pre-season.  From a quick review of the Fulham site, he seemed to play against Cork City, but then hasn't been since.  Is this because he has been injured, or have they left him out for wanting to leave?  Either way, I'm hoping that he doesn't take too long to settle and/or get match fit, as we really need him to hit the ground running.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Matt Collins on August 04, 2016, 01:42:00 PM
He was reported as injured - tho some suggestion it was to do with pending move too

I also read that he's not the fittest anyway and tends to take a few games to get match fit. Though he hardly misses any

The last couple of years it looks like he took a few games to get going in both seasons - his first goals of the season being in his 7th and then 5th games respectively (transfermarkt)
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: in exile on August 04, 2016, 01:47:50 PM
That shirt he's holding looks very purple
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 04, 2016, 01:50:59 PM
If hes fat - mcgrath , i must be Russell grant
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Clampy on August 04, 2016, 01:54:00 PM
I've not seen a lot of him but judging by that video, he seems happy to shoot rather than take a first touch. Welcome Ross!
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Richard E on August 04, 2016, 02:27:46 PM
Leeds fan at work rates him. Mind you, he was also under the impression that he still played for them, so how reliable a guide that is...
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: TheMalandro on August 04, 2016, 02:30:15 PM
If hes fat - mcgrath , i must be Russell grant

Quick google and he's between 72-75kg. Not too bad. I imagine he looks dumpy because he's a short arse with a small neck.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: LeeB on August 04, 2016, 03:15:35 PM
He's been reportedly off to Norwich for a couple of weeks and then bang, we bid and he's a Villa player within 48 hrs.

Let's hope our chairman gets a taste for throwing our weight around. It gives us a serious advantage at this level.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 04, 2016, 03:21:16 PM
He's been reportedly off to Norwich for a couple of weeks and then bang, we bid and he's a Villa player within 48 hrs.

Let's hope our chairman gets a taste for throwing our weight around. It gives us a serious advantage at this level.

That's an interesting observation Lee. I would also add that RDM identified his targets and Xia as he has been saying all along has allowed the manager to take his time and process what he has or hasn't. I imagine they stayed in touch with McCormack's agent and stated their interest which is why the player kept his options open and didn't commit. Then as soon as we were ready we pulled the trigger and it was done.

Xia has been giving us glimpses into the process, and while there is danger to it and it has to be managed carefully, it is also an interesting insight into how things have changed at the club since he has arrived. He has constantly claimed that there is a long way to go and to be patient, but where he has had to back up his words, so far he has done just that.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Nii Lamptey on August 04, 2016, 03:44:29 PM
Someone with a bit about him by the sounds of things.... Hopefully he'll give a few of the shirkers a Glasgow kiss if they don't pull their weight!

https://www.avfc.co.uk/News/2016/08/04/mccormack-blog

The question was an innocent one.

The answer was immediate and delivered with a very welcome passion.

"Heading to Sheffield Wednesday, a win would be great and one point would be a good result too," I suggested in our AVTV HD interview.

Ross McCormack listened intently before dishing out his verdict.

"Can I go back to that point you just made..."

I wasn't about to say no to our new £12m striker.

“You said a point would be a good result. I believe that everyone in the squad needs to buy into the fact that a point isn’t good enough for a club like Aston Villa.

“You have to be looking to win every single game, as hard as it will be in this difficult division.

“But if you go into any match in this league and think that a draw is a good result there’s a fair chance you’ll get turned over.”

So there you have it. We can't be settling for draws, we need to be aiming for wins every single week.That'll do for me.

And when you think about it methodically and mathematically he's spot on.

To escape the Championship you need to win – and win regularly.

It's not a feeling we've had too often unfortunately after some difficult seasons of late.

But, again, McCormack isn't interested in yesterday's, he's bothered about today's and tomorrow's.

“Everything in my talks has been positive – nothing about the past and all about the here and now.

“You can wipe last season away now. That’s gone now.

“It’s exciting to be part of this project which is putting this club back where it belongs – the Premier League.

“It’s a goal shared by everyone here.

“The manager said to me that his big challenge this year has been the mentality – changing it because last season was tough for everyone.

“But now it’s a clean slate and a chance for us to be written into the history of this football club by putting Aston Villa back where it belongs, which is the Premier League.”

“It’s a great club,” I added.

“You’ve hit the nail on the head there – great club.”

At least Ross agrees with some of the things I say!

By Paul Brown
@paulbrownavfc
4th August 2016
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Jimbo on August 04, 2016, 03:48:46 PM
Go into every game aiming for four points, and if you end up with three, be of the mind that you'll do better next time.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Bad English on August 04, 2016, 03:58:30 PM
..annnnnnnnnd stretchhhhhhhhhhh


(https://d16b4kgyytl7c7.cloudfront.net/~/media/McCormackSignsMain2.ashx?h=720&la=en&mw=1280&w=1280&vs=1&d=20160804T082212Z&hash=C086032A183CFFE9E246E3199AF1BBDD9F023FAD)
Those two shades of claret are very purple.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 04, 2016, 04:04:57 PM
Don't care. Win games and let's get promoted.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Small Rodent on August 04, 2016, 04:08:05 PM
Good words from the new signing.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Louzie0 on August 04, 2016, 04:09:44 PM
I thought this was a good article, interesting and well written.
 
Thanks for posting, Nii Lamptey.

https://www.avfc.co.uk/News/2016/08/04/mccormack-blog
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: OCD on August 04, 2016, 04:20:58 PM
Looks like he might be another leader with the right traits in the dressing room going by that blog.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Dave Cooper please on August 04, 2016, 05:10:08 PM
What use is a striker who scores goals if he gets no service? Don't get too excited.

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-l3cg2G4o3PQ/VdCx-OS9m-I/AAAAAAAAD6Y/Bb3VKLl-vOk/s1600/img053.jpg)
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: MonsXI on August 04, 2016, 05:19:05 PM
Welcome to the greatest club you'll ever play for Ross. If you give us 100% we'll back you 110%!

Really excited about this signing I hope he hits the ground running!

Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Ads on August 04, 2016, 05:20:18 PM
Good  attitude.

He was captain at Fulham too.

Need another forward, winger, central attacking player and a centre half. Then we win the league.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: supertom on August 04, 2016, 05:26:34 PM
Good signing. Finally a threat from set pieces too. He's also got the right attitude. He and Elphick will both improve the overall mentality of the squad significantly.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: chrisw1 on August 04, 2016, 05:32:57 PM
I was a little concerned by the age & price, but he doesn't really rely on pace so should be good for a few season yet.  I'm now really excited to see what he can do. 
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 04, 2016, 05:53:17 PM
Good attitude.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 04, 2016, 05:54:24 PM
Good  attitude.

He was captain at Fulham too.

Need another forward, winger, central attacking player and a centre half. Then we win the league.

Can't be coincidence we've signed two captains from other clubs.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: OCD on August 04, 2016, 05:58:21 PM
Good  attitude.

He was captain at Fulham too.

Need another forward, winger, central attacking player and a centre half. Then we win the league.

Can't be coincidence we've signed two captains from other clubs.

Well there were no leaders last season. Agbonlahor as club captain tells you everything.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 04, 2016, 06:11:31 PM
Well there were no leaders last season. Agbonlahor as club captain tells you everything.

A captain I wouldn't have minded seeing leave a sinking ship (preferably by walking the plank).
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Ron Manager on August 04, 2016, 07:10:54 PM
Well there were no leaders last season. Agbonlahor as club captain tells you everything.

A captain I wouldn't have minded seeing leave a sinking ship (preferably by walking the plank).
Shouldn't there be a full stop after walking?
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: four fornicholl on August 04, 2016, 08:32:55 PM
Maybe the song could be updated now we're in the 2nd division again?
Weve Golliniy and Tshibolay, Ross McCormacky? Doesn't quite work for me.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: villadelph on August 04, 2016, 08:46:06 PM
Love that first interview. Finally someone with some f'in pride.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: sickbeggar on August 04, 2016, 08:48:27 PM
Bit old and joke of a price, but thats the market now so you either pay up or miss out. Seems to have a decent injury record too. Like someone else in as well, but you have to say he's probably better than anything we've got at the club currently which says it all about Sherwood or whoever was buying them
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Havencheese on August 04, 2016, 08:58:48 PM
What I've noticed is that he looks to play with a lot of passion too, I'm hoping that becomes infectious and influential upon some of the others found wanting last season who we aren't rid of by September. I was a bit more skeptical about the price tag at first but the more I read about him, the more there is to like. Doesn't seem to be obsessed with just finishing, appears to want to do the team thing.

Could potentially become a favourite, we shall see.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 04, 2016, 09:01:42 PM
Really good attitude, loved the interview.

He reminds me of Kevin Phillips, not blessed with height, great positioning, nows where the back of the net is and is best paired with a big lump. Phillips was still banging goals in well into his 30s, lets hope RM will be too.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: sickbeggar on August 04, 2016, 09:04:51 PM
Well he's obviously been bought as a short term measure to score the goals to get us up. I'm guessing the club think the mad fee for a30 year old will be justified if he does that and you can't really argue with them.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Tony Erdington on August 04, 2016, 09:06:09 PM
Well there were no leaders last season. Agbonlahor as club captain tells you everything.

A captain I wouldn't have minded seeing leave a sinking ship (preferably by walking the plank).

I believe our greatest manager. said when I came here we didn't have one leader on the pitch , when we won the league , we had around 7.



love Ron Saunders
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: SteveN on August 04, 2016, 09:06:22 PM
From the little I saw of Fulham last season he was playing up front with a quick young partner.  Might be fun to play him with RHM.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Ads on August 04, 2016, 09:44:57 PM
Fuck off is he old.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: olaftab on August 04, 2016, 09:47:48 PM
Welcome Ross. Hope this next season is the best time of your life.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Gregorys Boy on August 04, 2016, 09:48:40 PM
Good attitude.

Agreed.  Even if he is thinking secretly that a draw would be a decent result, at this stage we want to hear fighting talk and positivity. 

Should be a good signing.  Two or three more of a simliar irk should see us there or there abouts.  Don't think we need to buy another striker though my feelings might change if Ayew goes.  Even so think we need to focus on the creative side of things, and certainly there is still much work to be done at the back.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Smoke on August 05, 2016, 12:44:45 AM
same age as Jamie Vardy and who wouldn't want him right now?!

Can we all agree collectively not to change usernames to include McCormack? the last few times people have done similar the players flopped.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: cdbullyweefan on August 05, 2016, 12:46:10 AM
same age as Jamie Vardy and who wouldn't want him right now?!

Can we all agree collectively not to change usernames to include McCormack? the last few times people have done similar the players flopped.

Good idea.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 05, 2016, 12:46:48 AM
same age as Jamie Vardy and who wouldn't want him right now?!

Can we all agree collectively not to change usernames to include McCormack? the last few times people have done similar the players flopped.

Ah, come on! Smokormack? The best one yet!
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Gregorys Boy on August 05, 2016, 12:47:24 AM
same age as Jamie Vardy and who wouldn't want him right now?!

Can we all agree collectively not to change usernames to include McCormack? the last few times people have done similar the players flopped.

Well at least wait until about four months into the season when he at least has played a few games...
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 05, 2016, 12:48:10 AM
Actually, my stupid username is Gueye-related. Must see if I can change it back to Withington Red.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Smoke on August 05, 2016, 12:49:23 AM
if he scores 20 goals this season Smokormack will be my name.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: tomd2103 on August 05, 2016, 12:51:04 AM
Still see him as more of a 'drop off' striker, meaning we will need another striker up there with him, rather than him playing up top on his own. 
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 05, 2016, 12:53:36 AM
if he scores 20 goals this season Smokormack will be my name.

Gloryhunter.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: damon loves JT on August 05, 2016, 10:05:43 AM
Actually, my stupid username is Gueye-related. Must see if I can change it back to Withington Red.

Lol
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: supertom on August 05, 2016, 09:20:45 PM
Still see him as more of a 'drop off' striker, meaning we will need another striker up there with him, rather than him playing up top on his own. 
Yeah, some may overlook just how many chances he'll create too. He got 9 assists last season.
I think he's gonna bang them in and he'll make his share too.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Bad English on August 06, 2016, 07:49:25 AM
Has nobody mentioned the very offensive song, I didn't laugh, honest, posted on Facebook and Twitter that is set to "Old McDonald had a farm? 

Here it is with the offending word, replaced by 'arsehole'.

"Ross McCormack had a dream, E-I-E-I-O!
And in that dream he won the league, E-I-E-I-O!
With a hat trick here, a hat trick there,
Here a goal, there a goal, Gabby is an arsehole²
Ross McCormack had a dream, E-I-E-I-O! "


Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Dave Cooper please on August 06, 2016, 08:19:38 AM
Has nobody mentioned the very offensive song, I didn't laugh, honest, posted on Facebook and Twitter that is set to "Old McDonald had a farm? 

Here it is with the offending word, replaced by 'arsehole'.

"Ross McCormack had a dream, E-I-E-I-O!
And in that dream he won the league, E-I-E-I-O!
With a hat trick here, a hat trick there,
Here a goal, there a goal, Gabby is an arsehole²
Ross McCormack had a dream, E-I-E-I-O! "




I'd had a beer and it did make me laugh.
I love a non-sequitur me.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: stubbsyandy on August 06, 2016, 09:11:46 AM
Fuck off is he old.
Peter Withe was 29 when he joined us...didn't do too badly for us
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: LeeB on August 06, 2016, 09:12:47 AM
Fuck off is he old.
Peter Wither was 29 when he joined us...didn't do too badly for us

Merson and Dublin too.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 06, 2016, 09:14:44 AM
His game is not about pace is it so he can probably be around abit longer
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 06, 2016, 10:35:26 AM
Whoever got Smart and Mort (Death and Glory) well done. Sorry, I can't mind which thread I asked in.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on August 06, 2016, 12:02:33 PM
He looks like a player who is keen to get stuck in and I assume he will be OK for fitness, plus strikers need not be so concerned with where he will 'fit' to the same extent as a defender, so I'd throw him in from the start alongside Ayew.

He'll be looking to make his mark and will unsettle them. If he tires or we need an alternative then Gestede can come off the bench or Hepburn-Murphy on to play wide and Ayew further forward with Grealish close to him.

I reckon McCormack will score tomorrow.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: AV89 on August 06, 2016, 12:22:16 PM
Someone with a bit about him by the sounds of things.... Hopefully he'll give a few of the shirkers a Glasgow kiss if they don't pull their weight!

https://www.avfc.co.uk/News/2016/08/04/mccormack-blog

The question was an innocent one.

The answer was immediate and delivered with a very welcome passion.

"Heading to Sheffield Wednesday, a win would be great and one point would be a good result too," I suggested in our AVTV HD interview.

Ross McCormack listened intently before dishing out his verdict.

"Can I go back to that point you just made..."

I wasn't about to say no to our new £12m striker.

“You said a point would be a good result. I believe that everyone in the squad needs to buy into the fact that a point isn’t good enough for a club like Aston Villa.

“You have to be looking to win every single game, as hard as it will be in this difficult division.

“But if you go into any match in this league and think that a draw is a good result there’s a fair chance you’ll get turned over.”

So there you have it. We can't be settling for draws, we need to be aiming for wins every single week.That'll do for me.

And when you think about it methodically and mathematically he's spot on.

To escape the Championship you need to win – and win regularly.

It's not a feeling we've had too often unfortunately after some difficult seasons of late.

But, again, McCormack isn't interested in yesterday's, he's bothered about today's and tomorrow's.

“Everything in my talks has been positive – nothing about the past and all about the here and now.

“You can wipe last season away now. That’s gone now.

“It’s exciting to be part of this project which is putting this club back where it belongs – the Premier League.

“It’s a goal shared by everyone here.

“The manager said to me that his big challenge this year has been the mentality – changing it because last season was tough for everyone.

“But now it’s a clean slate and a chance for us to be written into the history of this football club by putting Aston Villa back where it belongs, which is the Premier League.”

“It’s a great club,” I added.

“You’ve hit the nail on the head there – great club.”

At least Ross agrees with some of the things I say!

By Paul Brown
@paulbrownavfc
4th August 2016

Great interview.  Great to have a new signing who clearly understands the size of the club and has a determination to drag us out of the mire.  The same goes for Elphick.

A refreshing change to our lamented former CEO, who when at Arsenal said "winning isn't important".
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: CJ on August 06, 2016, 12:42:48 PM
I like the cut of this man's jib. I'm starting to feel more positive
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Virgil Caine on August 06, 2016, 06:43:24 PM
I feel at ease that there is a Mc or Mac back in the team- all good Villa sides have had one. A test for the more aged of us, without referring to the Internet or other research material can you name all the Mac's and Mc's Villa have had as first team players since ( and including) the 1957 FA Cup Final?
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: footyskillz on August 07, 2016, 12:40:31 PM
I beliefs this player will be new Paul magic merson with added bonus of goals and free kicks .😊
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: UK Redsox on August 07, 2016, 01:46:42 PM
I feel at ease that there is a Mc or Mac back in the team- all good Villa sides have had one. A test for the more aged of us, without referring to the Internet or other research material can you name all the Mac's and Mc's Villa have had as first team players since ( and including) the 1957 FA Cup Final?

McMessi
McCafu
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Matt Collins on August 07, 2016, 06:46:23 PM
Poor first half but looked dangerous second, if not properly fit
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Ads on August 07, 2016, 06:53:09 PM
Should have buried his chance, but he was important in us being on top for most of the second half. He looks an intelligent player.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: paul_e on August 07, 2016, 06:55:13 PM
Poor first half but looked dangerous second, if not properly fit

Tired first touch when 1on1 cost him a debut goal but i agree, when we started giving him and Ayew the ball to feet in gaps we looked much better.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Matt Collins on August 07, 2016, 06:58:35 PM
I do wonder what our first choice line up will be tho. Neither he or ayew is really suited to the left. Would like to try them as a pair but I suspect we'll see gestede or AN OTHER number 9

Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: adrenachrome on August 07, 2016, 10:42:47 PM
I like the look of him.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: exigo on August 08, 2016, 01:02:35 PM
What sorcery is this ability to take a corner that causes the opposition problems? I assume we'll train it out of him in no time.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: dekko on August 08, 2016, 01:05:45 PM
What sorcery is this ability to take a corner that causes the opposition problems? I assume we'll train it out of him in no time.

Its gonna be so nice to have someone on the team who can strike a dead ball
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: wittonwarrior on August 08, 2016, 01:32:09 PM
What was good was his willingness to work for the team but his miss oh well
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: berneboy on August 08, 2016, 01:36:37 PM
What was good was his willingness to work for the team but his miss oh well

I thought it was a good save?
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 08, 2016, 01:45:08 PM
If he'd had that 1-1 in the first half hour there's every chance he'd have buried it as he was starting to look tired by the time it came as he's had very little to no proper pre-season.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: cdward on August 08, 2016, 01:53:34 PM
I'm obviously not the only one who saw that McCormack didn't miss, it was a great block from the defender.

Villa's new £12m front man Ross McCormack was denied a debut goal by Tom Lees' last-ditch tackle shortly before his withdrawal after 77 minutes.
http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/36934929
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Post by: Meanwood Villa on August 08, 2016, 01:55:57 PM
I'm obviously not the only one who saw that McCormack didn't miss, it was a great block from the defender.

Villa's new £12m front man Ross McCormack was denied a debut goal by Tom Lees' last-ditch tackle shortly before his withdrawal after 77 minutes.
http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/36934929


If he hadn't have taken an extra touch the defender wouldn't have been able to get the block in.
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Post by: paul_e on August 08, 2016, 02:29:38 PM
If he'd had that 1-1 in the first half hour there's every chance he'd have buried it as he was starting to look tired by the time it came as he's had very little to no proper pre-season.

It was a terrible first touch from someone who looked out on his feet.  The chance went because he didn't get the ball out of his feet properly.
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Post by: Mister E on August 08, 2016, 03:45:33 PM
I thought he showed some glimpses of real promise yesterday, and he will get better. His set pieces were a breath of fresh air after Westwood and he showed running and combativeness.
The 2nd half chance was his moment: his first touch should have been the goal attempt rather than a steadying move 'cos it gave the defender the time he needed to make a great challenge.
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Post by: cheltenhamlion on August 08, 2016, 06:09:59 PM
It was also clear that he isn't in tune with team mates yet. Time and again he found room in and around the box but nobody picked out his run. He is a clever player. I like him.
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Post by: supertom on August 08, 2016, 07:11:55 PM
If he'd had that 1-1 in the first half hour there's every chance he'd have buried it as he was starting to look tired by the time it came as he's had very little to no proper pre-season.

It was a terrible first touch from someone who looked out on his feet.  The chance went because he didn't get the ball out of his feet properly.
I said it yesterday but I felt had the same chance come in the first half, he tucks it away. When he had the chance yesterday he was struggling. He missed a lot of Fulhams pre-season and it showed yesterday. But...you can see his brain working all the time and you can see that he's really up for it. He'll have a good influence on the side. He's got to be vice-captain. He and Elphick are exactly the characters we need. Get someone akin in midfield and we're laughing.
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Post by: avfcpg on August 08, 2016, 08:22:19 PM
I think we have a player here...his touch looked good, his vision was decent and at last we have someone who can ping a decent corner or free kick in, instead of just floating one up there...
Showed his confidence by trying to clip it over the keeper in the 1 on 1 he had... was a great block to be fair.
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Post by: ozzjim on August 08, 2016, 09:49:16 PM
By a guy who should have been sent off long before the chance came.  That either of their centre halves were on the pitch by that point was due to the ref not being strong enough.

McCormack looked really good to me.  Touch, vision, work rate and a nice pass on him. Think he would be great with someone who moves better than an arthritic giraffe alongside him.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on August 08, 2016, 10:11:10 PM
I missed what the Wednesday defenders should have got sent off for.

McCormack will score goals for us that's not in question, just hope it's not to the detriment of the team but in fairness he needs a far better foil than Gestede to play off.

I think in that chance we maybe saw why premier league clubs aren't interested...he lacks pace. Otherwise the defender wouldn't have got back and nicked the ball from him.
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Post by: Ads on August 08, 2016, 10:18:12 PM
Hutchinson had already been booked when he pulled McCormack back in the first half.  He equally barged into the back of Hutton and pulled Baker's shirt in what was a stick on penalty.

He could have been sent off twice the dirty shit house.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on August 08, 2016, 10:24:47 PM
Ah yes I remember McCormack being pulled back, certainly a foul and he was actually last man.

Think a penalty would've been enough, rare you see someone sent off. That reminded me of Richards not getting the penalty against United right at the start of last season.
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Post by: ozzjim on August 08, 2016, 11:09:56 PM
Lees elbowed Baker in the face in the first 5 minutes, then pulled back McCormack, then went through someone at the start of the second half and was also actually booked for another challenge. Hutchinson was booked first half, then went through Hutton, then pulled Bakers shirt for a certain pen with the blind ref looking straight at it.
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Post by: Gregorys Boy on August 08, 2016, 11:26:20 PM
If we can improve the service to him then I think he should get enough goals to have us challenging.  Though we might need another striker getting a similar amount also. 
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Post by: SoccerHQ on August 08, 2016, 11:40:09 PM
Lees elbowed Baker in the face in the first 5 minutes, then pulled back McCormack, then went through someone at the start of the second half and was also actually booked for another challenge. Hutchinson was booked first half, then went through Hutton, then pulled Bakers shirt for a certain pen with the blind ref looking straight at it.

Get used to it, this will happen a lot and I don't have a clue who any of the refs are unless a premier league one drops down for a weekend or one of our derby games.

Hopefully being a "big" club we should get some decisions particularly at home.
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Post by: footyskillz on October 10, 2016, 11:24:16 AM
I feel Brucey would bring him straight in and use him correctly -as a 'number 10'. I think hes got a good leadership maturity and winning mentatility and kept for team should be built around him. I've decided he's far more realible than ayew and grealish in playing both the central playmaker role but also as a proven team player. I like to see him as the central attacker and playmaker behind Kodja . I go on to say again I think best to keep it simple which bruce would do rather than midfielders constantly switching positions. I also think McCormack interviews and speaks well and is a decent leader unlike any of the other attacking midfielders or strikers we have.McCormack   wasn't always deployed correctly by rdm and clarke and the difficulty was with the performing ayew and the talent grealish fitting them all in.  Ayew undoubtedly talented and somewhat luxuary  seems to drift in and around from a wide attack position but also he would be in space of McCormack. Ayew needs to play wide or up front and stay there and let McCormack run it. Kodja when needlessly deployed on the wing is just an e.g. of trying to shoe horn players in.   What I have to say is villa especially atm not sitting pretty Polly at top of league need McCormack to come in and run the show.  He's proven and he won't be carried . In a team and especially in team in the current situation can't carry players . McCormack would be the best option and leader with kodja ayew or gestede ahead of them.
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Post by: aj2k77 on October 10, 2016, 11:29:33 AM
He has the best movement of any of ours strikers for me.
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Post by: tomd2103 on October 10, 2016, 12:17:18 PM
I feel Brucey would bring him straight in and use him correctly -as a 'number 10'. I think hes got a good leadership maturity and winning mentatility and kept for team should be built around him. I've decided he's far more realible than ayew and grealish in playing both the central playmaker role but also as a proven team player. I like to see him as the central attacker and playmaker behind Kodja . I go on to say again I think best to keep it simple which bruce would do rather than midfielders constantly switching positions. I also think McCormack interviews and speaks well and is a decent leader unlike any of the other attacking midfielders or strikers we have.McCormack   wasn't always deployed correctly by rdm and clarke and the difficulty was with the performing ayew and the talent grealish fitting them all in.  Ayew undoubtedly talented and somewhat luxuary  seems to drift in and around from a wide attack position but also he would be in space of McCormack. Ayew needs to play wide or up front and stay there and let McCormack run it. Kodja when needlessly deployed on the wing is just an e.g. of trying to shoe horn players in.   What I have to say is villa especially atm not sitting pretty Polly at top of league need McCormack to come in and run the show.  He's proven and he won't be carried . In a team and especially in team in the current situation can't carry players . McCormack would be the best option and leader with kodja ayew or gestede ahead of them.

To be fair, I don't think he has been fully fit as he didn't feature much for Fulham in pre season.  I would like to see him up front with Kodjia and Ayew or Grealish behind them.  I like Kodjia, but from what I have seen of him so far, he does a lot of work outside the box and in the channels.  I think McCormack would be a good foil for him as he takes up good positions in the box.   
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: in exile on October 10, 2016, 01:04:28 PM
He has the best movement of any of ours strikers for me.

He's also one of the most intelligent
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Post by: Risso on October 10, 2016, 01:30:52 PM
Early days, but so far he's looked like a poor man's Wayne Rooney to me. Not an out and out striker, not a midfielder, and so far, not much impact.
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Post by: sirlordbaltimore on October 10, 2016, 01:35:23 PM


Should start every week, alongside (or just off) Kodjia for me. Easily the most intelligent of the attacking players we have
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Post by: Clark W Griswold on October 10, 2016, 01:52:33 PM
I like him, but then I also like Ayew, Kodija and Gestede too and we can't play all four. On the other hand I don't like any of our centre mids and only 1 of our centre backs so I think we may have got the transfer policy a bit wrong again. It appears a bit like giving your 10 year old son the money to spend.
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Post by: paul richard on October 10, 2016, 02:39:59 PM


Should start every week, alongside (or just off) Kodjia for me. Easily the most intelligent of the attacking players we have

This.  It's true he hasn't been involved nearly enough in games when he's played, either because of lack of full fitness or lack of service from midfield, but get him central to our play, just behind Kodjia and linking with Grealish, and he could be a big player for us.
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Post by: eamonn on October 10, 2016, 02:45:16 PM
Early days, but so far he's looked like a poor man's Wayne Rooney to me. Not an out and out striker, not a midfielder, and so far, not much impact.

Are you calling him fat?
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Post by: Risso on October 10, 2016, 03:08:14 PM
Early days, but so far he's looked like a poor man's Wayne Rooney to me. Not an out and out striker, not a midfielder, and so far, not much impact.

Are you calling him fat?

It's his glands.
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Post by: LeeB on October 10, 2016, 03:15:52 PM
Early days, but so far he's looked like a poor man's Wayne Rooney to me. Not an out and out striker, not a midfielder, and so far, not much impact.

Are you calling him fat?

It's his glands.

Yeah, they keep shoving cakes in his glmouth.
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Post by: footyskillz on October 10, 2016, 03:25:41 PM
Early days, but so far he's looked like a poor man's Wayne Rooney to me. Not an out and out striker, not a midfielder, and so far, not much impact.

Well they both sit on the bench  !

For me hes a natural attacking midfielder central number 10 and playmaker I like to think he could have a Rooney of years gone past impact.
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Post by: ASHTONVILLA on October 10, 2016, 09:15:18 PM
Needs to play every week, easily our most talented player. Where to put him though? I heard an interview with Neil Warnock recently, where he mentioned that RM was his best player at Leeds but was hard to fit into most formations. Not at out and out striker, not quick, not a target man, but scores goals, makes goals and works his balls off.

I'd play him up front with Kodjia, or behind Kodjia and Gestede. I would drop Ayew who I don't like and do not think contributes much regards actually scoring goals, making goals and being part of a team.
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Post by: Mister E on October 10, 2016, 09:56:19 PM
I'd play him behind Kodjia and Adomah. With three hard-working midfielders (which I accept we don't currently have) this would work well.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on October 10, 2016, 11:38:00 PM
Positions he takes up he reminds me of Robbie Keane in his brief stint here...always wanting to drop deep and link up with midfield.

Would have to agree with most...Kodjia central with McCormack floating behind and then 4 behind them to provide the balance.
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Post by: Matt Collins on October 11, 2016, 07:19:43 AM
On paper that's the best option, though you have to find a place for ayew

Means the other three in midfield do need to give us balance

We don't have that currently it's fair to say.
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on October 11, 2016, 07:47:43 AM
We could play 4-4-2 (McCormack and Kodjia up front, Ayew and Adomah wide) if only our centre-midfielders weren't so crap.
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Post by: oldhill_avfc on October 11, 2016, 08:28:23 AM
On paper that's the best option, though you have to find a place for ayew

Means the other three in midfield do need to give us balance

We don't have that currently it's fair to say.

For me that's where we've been going wrong.  Trying to shoehorn players into the team, but making it weaker overall.  We've tried 4-2-3-1, don't score enough goals and get over run in the centre late in the game.  The wing back system didn't do much better.

The new manager will have to make some tough decisions, but from what I've seen Kodija and McCormack look like an ideal pairing in the centre and would be best supported by a four man midfield, but I'm not sure we have the players for it. 

I don't think Ayew quite fits the bill on the right.  Adomah might be ok but has looked very average so far.
On the left, Grealish is a bit more flexible but has gone off the boil after a decent start.  Amavi doesn't look like a fit in  either.

All a bit of a mess really!



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Post by: paul_e on October 11, 2016, 09:41:29 AM
On paper that's the best option, though you have to find a place for ayew

Means the other three in midfield do need to give us balance

We don't have that currently it's fair to say.

For me that's where we've been going wrong.  Trying to shoehorn players into the team, but making it weaker overall.  We've tried 4-2-3-1, don't score enough goals and get over run in the centre late in the game.  The wing back system didn't do much better.

The new manager will have to make some tough decisions, but from what I've seen Kodija and McCormack look like an ideal pairing in the centre and would be best supported by a four man midfield, but I'm not sure we have the players for it. 

I don't think Ayew quite fits the bill on the right.  Adomah might be ok but has looked very average so far.
On the left, Grealish is a bit more flexible but has gone off the boil after a decent start.  Amavi doesn't look like a fit in  either.

All a bit of a mess really!

Bold bit is not taking chances and failing to shore up the midfield later in the game a fault of the formation or the players/coaching and manager (respectively)?

I'd strongly argue the latter if we take our chances in the early games we'd be on 20+ points RDM would be a genius and we'd all be happy.  When we missed those chances and teams started pressing for an equalised/winner if we'd reacted and decided to see the game out we'd be midtable at least and again we'd not be looking for a new manager.  That formation saw us create 100+ chances in the first 6 games and only score 6 goals.  At that point you have to look to refine rather than replace but RDM wimped out and started fucking about with the team and formation which got him sacked and left us in 19th.
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Post by: cdbullyweefan on October 11, 2016, 09:50:15 AM
I think we might have to start playing Ayew as a midfielder, like his brother.

He works hard, so would have no trouble getting from box to box, and would give us he creative spark we need. Midfield is clearly the weakest area and I see Ayew as more likely to rectify that than Gardner or Westwood.

Ayew - Tish- Jedinak/Westwood

Would be my midfield three.
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Post by: paul_e on October 11, 2016, 09:53:29 AM
Let's not forget though that, as above, we created shit loads of chances early in the season with Westwood and Gardner in the team.
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Post by: cdbullyweefan on October 11, 2016, 09:57:45 AM
In some games.
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Post by: aj2k77 on October 11, 2016, 10:04:01 AM
In some games.

In every game. The first one we struggled was Ipswich when we changed formation to try and be more solid.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on October 11, 2016, 10:51:37 AM
I actually think Gardner would be alright in a 4-3-3.

It's clear he can't hack it in 2 man midfield but then neither can Jedinak.

Be interesting what sort of team is played v Wolves. As we type Jedinak is playing for Australia so will be knackered after the day flight back and it seems Tshibola can't play in this one.
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Post by: cdbullyweefan on October 11, 2016, 11:47:48 AM
In some games.

In every game. The first one we struggled was Ipswich when we changed formation to try and be more solid.

We didn't create loads of chances against Wednesday or Derby. A smattering of decent chances against both games, admittedly.
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Post by: aj2k77 on October 11, 2016, 12:55:29 PM
That's true.
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Post by: Clark W Griswold on October 11, 2016, 01:21:04 PM
I think we might have to start playing Ayew as a midfielder, like his brother.

He works hard, so would have no trouble getting from box to box, and would give us he creative spark we need. Midfield is clearly the weakest area and I see Ayew as more likely to rectify that than Gardner or Westwood.

Ayew - Tish- Jedinak/Westwood

Would be my midfield three.

I'd still play 4-4-2 with the midfield and forwards being:
LM Amavi
CM Jedinak
CM Tsibola
RW Ayew
CF Kodjia
CF McCormack
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Post by: villadelph on October 11, 2016, 02:11:30 PM
I actually think Gardner would be alright in a 4-3-3.

It's clear he can't hack it in 2 man midfield but then neither can Jedinak.

Be interesting what sort of team is played v Wolves. As we type Jedinak is playing for Australia so will be knackered after the day flight back and it seems Tshibola can't play in this one.

I'm sorry but Gardner cannot be in the squad any longer. Nice kid, villa through and through.. just not capable.
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Post by: oldhill_avfc on October 11, 2016, 02:32:43 PM
On paper that's the best option, though you have to find a place for ayew

Means the other three in midfield do need to give us balance

We don't have that currently it's fair to say.

For me that's where we've been going wrong.  Trying to shoehorn players into the team, but making it weaker overall.  We've tried 4-2-3-1, don't score enough goals and get over run in the centre late in the game.  The wing back system didn't do much better.

The new manager will have to make some tough decisions, but from what I've seen Kodija and McCormack look like an ideal pairing in the centre and would be best supported by a four man midfield, but I'm not sure we have the players for it. 

I don't think Ayew quite fits the bill on the right.  Adomah might be ok but has looked very average so far.
On the left, Grealish is a bit more flexible but has gone off the boil after a decent start.  Amavi doesn't look like a fit in  either.

All a bit of a mess really!

Bold bit is not taking chances and failing to shore up the midfield later in the game a fault of the formation or the players/coaching and manager (respectively)?

I'd strongly argue the latter if we take our chances in the early games we'd be on 20+ points RDM would be a genius and we'd all be happy.  When we missed those chances and teams started pressing for an equalised/winner if we'd reacted and decided to see the game out we'd be midtable at least and again we'd not be looking for a new manager.  That formation saw us create 100+ chances in the first 6 games and only score 6 goals.  At that point you have to look to refine rather than replace but RDM wimped out and started fucking about with the team and formation which got him sacked and left us in 19th.


Yes - 4-2-3-1 not working is the combined fault of the players, manager and coaches, rather than the system per se.  But when do you say enough is enough?  We've played much the same attacking formation for 11 games and scored around a goal a game which isn't enough. 
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Post by: chrisw1 on October 11, 2016, 02:36:40 PM
I actually think Gardner would be alright in a 4-3-3.

It's clear he can't hack it in 2 man midfield but then neither can Jedinak.

Be interesting what sort of team is played v Wolves. As we type Jedinak is playing for Australia so will be knackered after the day flight back and it seems Tshibola can't play in this one.

I'm sorry but Gardner cannot be in the squad any longer. Nice kid, villa through and through.. just not capable.
just as well we've got the luxury of loads of alternatives to carry us through until January to allow us to make such sweeping statements...
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Matt Collins on October 11, 2016, 10:44:06 PM
Gardner has been pretty bad this season. Jedinak has been worse
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: SoccerHQ on October 12, 2016, 12:08:23 AM
In a two Gardner is terrible, I won't defend him on that.

In a three though I'd like to think he'd be a bit more effective...something like Jedinak-Gardner-Tshibola.

We have little choice other than that really.

Westwood should not play for the club again after Preston so I'd rather give Gardner another chance but in a better formation.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Ads on October 12, 2016, 12:17:54 AM
I'd prefer Gardner higher up in a three if he is to play.

Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: ozzjim on October 12, 2016, 12:18:08 AM
McCormack is one Bruce has followed for a while...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/m/motherwell/7234417.stm
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Post by: footyskillz on October 15, 2016, 11:39:59 AM
McCormack is one Bruce has followed for a while...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/m/motherwell/7234417.stm

Good spot there !
I have to say i really want mccormack in team today even ahead of ayew!
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Brian Taylor on October 15, 2016, 12:21:07 PM
Is Gabby in the squad? He can offer a bit of weight as middle as lightning striker.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: KevinGage on October 15, 2016, 08:07:03 PM
Had a touch of the pub player who'd indulged too much the night before.

Shame, as he had looked bright first half.  Don't know if it s because he is finding his way back to fitness after a recent injury or whether this is just what we should expect from him.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 15, 2016, 08:45:48 PM
Very disappointed in him tonight, if we hadn't had to use our last sub for an injury he'd have been deservedly hooked I reckon.
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Post by: Proposition Joe on October 15, 2016, 08:52:34 PM
He's the one player in our squad with a footballing brain, despite his other limitations like not running around chasing everything.

The only player in the entire squad that actually seems to have any degree of awareness.
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Post by: Ad@m on October 15, 2016, 08:53:40 PM
He's the one player in our squad with a footballing brain, despite his other limitations like not running around chasing everything.

The only player in the entire squad that actually seems to have any degree of awareness.

Absolutely. And his little pass to put Grealish through for the pen has been very quickly forgotten by some!
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Post by: AvFc4eVeR on October 15, 2016, 08:54:27 PM
Very disappointed in him tonight, if we hadn't had to use our last sub for an injury he'd have been deservedly hooked I reckon.

I haven't seen anything from him to deserve the price tag or the fanfare before we signed him, not just tonight or all season for that matter.

I'm struggling to understand how he has been so prolific before but so poor now? Is it him or the rest of the team?

I must admit he wanted to close down more than Kodjia and others tonight, and he should have had a ball squared to him from Kodjia first half to go 2-0 up potentially first half, all being said still not convinced!
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: LukeJames on October 15, 2016, 08:55:40 PM
Would have had a tap in if Kodjia had looked up, he was going ape shit trying to get the team to push up on numerous occasions.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: sickbeggar on October 15, 2016, 08:58:30 PM
He was starved of anything resembling a chance.. we have no midfield so,the defence get hammered for 90 minutes and the attackers don't get any service. Give us a midfield and he will score. Simple.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Risso on October 15, 2016, 09:01:00 PM
Nice pass for the penalty, but other than that, meh.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on October 15, 2016, 09:14:39 PM


He'll only ever be effective if we pass the ball around more. He can link up play lovely if it's on the deck around the box but if we're just hitting aimless balls about he might as well stay at home. PLAY TO PLAYERS STRENGTHS
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Post by: brontebilly on October 15, 2016, 11:57:48 PM
He was starved of anything resembling a chance.. we have no midfield so,the defence get hammered for 90 minutes and the attackers don't get any service. Give us a midfield and he will score. Simple.

he looks anything but starved, appalling professional to be in that shape after the money we have spent on him
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Matt Collins on October 16, 2016, 07:36:23 AM
He has been by common agreement the best player in this league for the last 2-3 years

I can't think of a better example to demonstrate that the problem isn't simply that our players aren't good enough. It's just demonstrably more structural than that
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: ChicagoLion on October 16, 2016, 09:21:47 AM
No where near fit enough.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Can Gana Be Bettered!?!? on October 16, 2016, 09:27:27 AM
We seem to be constantly told how he's been the best player, or at least one of, in the Championship over the years, yet he's been poor for us.

What on earth do we do footballers? We ruin them? I don't understand, nor does it seem the last few managers understand, why it happens.

What changes the moment they're out on the pitch in a Villa shirt?

It's bizarre.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Ron Manager on October 16, 2016, 09:32:13 AM
RDM couldn't work out where to play him

Why not ask the player what he think's?
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: claret+blue ed on October 16, 2016, 09:37:55 AM
I thought the effort was there last night and he was the one trying to lead the team and trying to get the team as a whole to not sit too deep. Service was poor to him and Kodjia should have played him in for what would have hopefully have been a tap in
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: LeeB on October 16, 2016, 10:17:13 AM
We've basically signed the poor man's Wayne Rooney, haven't we?
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: claret+blue ed on October 16, 2016, 10:19:46 AM
Maybe try him in midfield also, can't be any worse than what is currently there
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: sickbeggar on October 16, 2016, 10:35:09 AM
Some of our best strikers in the last 30 years haven't exactly been all action for 90 minutes, involved in everything players. They were there to score goals and most of us were quite happy if they scored 1 or 2 and weren't really involved for  70 minutes. I'm not comparing him to the likes of them but really someone like Yorke would struggle to get anything out of the service provided at the moment
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Risso on October 16, 2016, 10:35:23 AM
We've basically signed the poor man's Wayne Rooney, haven't we?

Yes, I said the same thing a couple of pages back:

Quote from: Risso
Early days, but so far he's looked like a poor man's Wayne Rooney to me. Not an out and out striker, not a midfielder, and so far, not much impact.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: OCD on October 16, 2016, 10:37:42 AM
Thought he played well in the first half but poor in the second half, as was the case with many. Kodija should have passed the ball onto him and he would have only had to beat the keeper.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: SoccerHQ on October 16, 2016, 10:38:33 AM
We've basically signed the poor man's Wayne Rooney, haven't we?

He reminds me a lot of Robbie Keane in how he plays and the positions he takes up but yeah poor man's Robbie Keane sounds about right.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: sickbeggar on October 16, 2016, 10:39:16 AM
Thought he played well in the first half but poor in the second half, as was the case with many. Kodija should have passed the ball onto him and he would have only had to beat the keeper.


yep. He's making the right runs so if the ball doesn't get to him, thats hardly his fault
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Rudy65 on October 16, 2016, 10:39:21 AM
We've basically signed the poor man's Wayne Rooney, haven't we?

And who cant get in a very poor Scotland team
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: LeeB on October 16, 2016, 10:51:11 AM
We've basically signed the poor man's Wayne Rooney, haven't we?

And who cant get in a very poor Scotland team

That's nothing new though, the sweaties have a long and proud history of ignoring Villa players.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: CT on October 16, 2016, 11:00:46 AM
Another pathetic yellow card yesterday. For pushing, dear oh dear.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: wittonwarrior on October 16, 2016, 11:46:00 AM
The service to him has been poor, but there again his general fitness appears to be lacking. 

How I come to my last conclusion is the fact that he goes down all to easily - this shows he is struggling.

As for signing a poor man's Wayne Rooney - in the 70's we signed Des Bremner who was supposed to be a poor man's Souness.  If only Ross was a poor man's Rooney I would  embrace him more than I currently am.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: JJ-AV on October 16, 2016, 11:50:54 AM
I think Bruce will keep the same formation for a few games. We have to go with something to avoid this constant change. Ayew has to be in for McCormack.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: footyskillz on October 16, 2016, 11:51:01 AM
Doesn't appear on the same wave length as other players and wantedd players to push on and they just ignored him
 He waves players forward and looking to lead and actually win and fight but players aren't getting him. The guy is class act just needs to integrate.  The only one he's worked well with at times is grealish but problem still has is they take up same space as does ayew
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: cdbullyweefan on October 16, 2016, 11:53:32 AM
We've basically signed the poor man's Wayne Rooney, haven't we?

And who cant get in a very poor Scotland team

That's more to do with Strachan being an imbecile.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: PeterWithe on October 16, 2016, 11:55:59 AM
He does seem to get knocked off the ball very easily, you can tell there is a good player in there but I agree that there can't be places for him, Jack and Ayew. For me, he'd be on the bench.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Bren'd on October 16, 2016, 11:58:30 AM
I think Bruce will keep the same formation for a few games. We have to go with something to avoid this constant change. Ayew has to be in for McCormack.

Yep, 20 good minutes of Ayew is better than no good minutes of McCormack.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: footyskillz on October 16, 2016, 12:02:31 PM
I think Bruce will keep the same formation for a few games. We have to go with something to avoid this constant change. Ayew has to be in for McCormack.

Yep, 20 good minutes of Ayew is better than no good minutes of McCormack.

I feel a who is better McCormack or Ayew poll coming up !
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Ad@m on October 16, 2016, 12:24:22 PM
I think Bruce will keep the same formation for a few games. We have to go with something to avoid this constant change. Ayew has to be in for McCormack.

Yep, 20 good minutes of Ayew is better than no good minutes of McCormack.

You realise it was his work with Grealish that got us a point yesterday?
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: tomd2103 on October 16, 2016, 12:36:42 PM
He does seem to get knocked off the ball very easily, you can tell there is a good player in there but I agree that there can't be places for him, Jack and Ayew. For me, he'd be on the bench.

The problem with having him and Grealish in the same side is that it does mean we can't break at pace when they pick the ball up.  There were a number of times yesterday when the break was on, but it stopped immediately because him and Grealish hadn't got the pace to break and the chance was gone.

It was crying out for Ayew to come on in his place yesterday, but injuries meant we had to make changes in other areas.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Witton Warrior on October 16, 2016, 04:15:15 PM
I think Bruce will keep the same formation for a few games. We have to go with something to avoid this constant change. Ayew has to be in for McCormack.

Yep, 20 good minutes of Ayew is better than no good minutes of McCormack.

You realise it was his work with Grealish that got us a point yesterday?

I thought they showed a real understanding early in the first half - but as usual it faded
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Lescottstweets on October 16, 2016, 11:46:50 PM
Doesn't appear on the same wave length as other players and wantedd players to push on and they just ignored him
 He waves players forward and looking to lead and actually win and fight but players aren't getting him. The guy is class act just needs to integrate.  The only one he's worked well with at times is grealish but problem still has is they take up same space as does ayew
Youve hit the nail on the head there mate
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Lobsterboy on October 17, 2016, 04:10:05 PM
He needs a run of games to get both his fitness levels up and to gain an understanding with Kodjia (in the same way he did with Dembele at Fulham) and if we give him that I am confident he will score goals and create chances for others

He has a good footballing brain and would have scored on Saturday - if only Kodjia had the same brain he would have seen him completely unmarked 8 yards out!

We seem intent on making wholesale changes now after every poor performance rather than trying something (or someone) and sticking with it for a few games before deciding it doesn't work
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: AV82EC on October 17, 2016, 04:20:27 PM
After the first 20 mins on saturday he was poor. Lightweight and lost possession, abysmal passing, no support to Kodjia. However, I'd stick with him to see if him and Kodjia can form a partnership. However this requires a diamond and Jack or Ayew playing just behind the two strikers.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: ldavfc4eva on October 17, 2016, 04:40:26 PM
He seems a very similar player to Gil, especially in the position we are playing him. I'd like to see him up front with Kodjia in a 442, as I think him being in a nod around the box is his best position not dropping deep all the while.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: montague on October 17, 2016, 05:06:53 PM
He has scored 38 league goals in last 2 seasons in a poor team so there is a player there.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: LukeJames on October 17, 2016, 07:41:53 PM
After the first 20 mins on saturday he was poor. Lightweight and lost possession, abysmal passing, no support to Kodjia. However, I'd stick with him to see if him and Kodjia can form a partnership. However this requires a diamond and Jack or Ayew playing just behind the two strikers.

No support to Kodjia? It was his support to Kodjia that should have put us ahead just before half time.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: passitsideways on October 18, 2016, 12:48:35 AM
He seems a very similar player to Gil, especially in the position we are playing him. I'd like to see him up front with Kodjia in a 442, as I think him being in a nod around the box is his best position not dropping deep all the while.

I think he's doing so out of necessity, rather than choice/tactical instruction. I think it's that we've tried to play him up-front and have him in and around the box, but it's just that in practice, it doesn't happen because our structure in attack is so crap and we have very little control in midfield, so he's often forced deep or otherwise he'd never get a touch of the ball. I think the same applies with Ayew and Gil last season - they ended up dropping really deep, which meant that even when they beat a man, they would be confronted by two or three more.

We either need to get a serious improvement in midfield play, or Bruce needs to figure out a system that enables us to move the ball better into attacking positions.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: footyskillz on October 20, 2016, 09:32:46 AM
Once Toy Keane tried to sign Ross McCormack but he was unable to drive as he was banned for something.
So his Mrs. ended up driving him.
Apparently his Mrs. had brought a small dog in her bag. This was enough for Keane to literally send McCormack away. Didn't want to sign that any more!
 
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Villafirst on October 23, 2016, 08:04:53 AM
I thought that piece of skill when he beat 2/3 players and the release ball to set up Ayew was class. Ayew should've buried that chance. I still think Ross will be really important to us this season.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Matt Collins on October 23, 2016, 08:25:11 AM
He's a class player at this level. Does pose all the obvious tactical conundrums if we want to play 3 in midfield

Great sub to have to open the game up. But I also wonder about him playing behind two mobile strikers -ayew and kodjia. I think that could be devastating at this level. Jack could play that role too.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Tony Erdington on October 23, 2016, 08:26:15 AM
needs a goal.

and then he will fly my pretties
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Neil Hawkes on October 23, 2016, 08:46:02 AM
Did Teddy Sheringham play in the same period as SB? That might be beneficial in deciding what to do with Ross.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: ldavfc4eva on October 23, 2016, 08:58:06 AM
Thought he lifted the team when he came on yesterday with his work rate, good attitude and didn't stop running. I think there is a very good player in there as there is with most of the players we have, the main problem at the minute is who plays where and when.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Ron Manager on October 23, 2016, 09:04:50 AM
Did Teddy Sheringham play in the same period as SB? That might be beneficial in deciding what to do with Ross.
Good point.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: passitsideways on October 23, 2016, 09:51:59 AM
He's a class player at this level. Does pose all the obvious tactical conundrums if we want to play 3 in midfield

Great sub to have to open the game up. But I also wonder about him playing behind two mobile strikers -ayew and kodjia. I think that could be devastating at this level. Jack could play that role too.

Think that may be an option if Amavi can work himself into some good form and a couple of the midfielders can show that they can do the requisite work as the side midfielders in that formation - I suppose Bacuna has so far shown that it's doable for him, but not sure about the other slot.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: supertom on October 23, 2016, 09:56:37 AM
I'm just enjoying having options at the moment. I think we'll start seeing a bit more from Ross as our form (hopefully) continues to improve.
Don't forget we've got Gabby to come back in six weeks too (tee hee).  :P
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Diablo on October 23, 2016, 12:11:38 PM
Looking at the highlights McCormack's through ball at the end to Ayew (where he took out about 5 players) was excellent.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: olaftab on October 23, 2016, 12:25:02 PM
Looking at the highlights McCormack's through ball at the end to Ayew (where he took out about 5 players) was excellent.
Yes it was but mostly this season he has flattered to deceive. For an experienced player he has been disappointing.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Diablo on October 23, 2016, 12:41:23 PM
Looking at the highlights McCormack's through ball at the end to Ayew (where he took out about 5 players) was excellent.
Yes it was but mostly this season he has flattered to deceive. For an experienced player he has been disappointing.

Bruce was saying in an interview how the new players need to settle into their new surroundings. I think this maybe the case with RM - that and crucially finding a system to get the best out of him. He seems to be a team player and obviously has ability.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: mr underhill on October 23, 2016, 02:43:54 PM
I really don't know what to make of McGoal - he's shown very little so far and I'm almost beginning to think we bought him simply to stop Norwich buying him. We need to find a system  to accommodate him pretty quickly or his Villa career is going to be a short one.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Old Kodjia on October 23, 2016, 02:51:26 PM
I think the options up we have are fantastic for the division that we are playing in.

I do feel that under Bruce, it is going to be either, Ayew or RM and it will be rare for both to start.  What an option from the bench though, regardless of which one starts?

I think the criticism of RM has been a tad harsh.  I think that he started the season very well and looked at one point like the first name on the sheet.  He got that knock and missed a couple of games and looks like he's off the pace slightly.

The beauty of having a new manager is that he doesn't feel any pressure to play any particular player, regardless of his price tag because he isn't the one who signed him.  This applies to any player, not just RM.

Currently, I would be starting Ayew and Adomah behind Kodjia.  However, I am slightly concerned that we're playing longer under Bruce and neither Kodjia, Ayew, Adomah or RM are going to win many arial battles
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: olaftab on October 23, 2016, 03:00:24 PM
Welcome OK! Good post however I take your point that the new manager usually has a "honeymoon" period but I think Bruce is exempt from that by a lot of our supporters because of his past "misdemeanors"!
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Old Kodjia on October 23, 2016, 03:12:06 PM
Welcome OK! Good post however I take your point that the new manager usually has a "honeymoon" period but I think Bruce is exempt from that by a lot of our supporters because of his past "misdemeanors"!

Hi Olaftab.  Thanks for the welcome.  The point that I was trying to make is that had RDM been still in charge, it would have been harder for him not to start his record signing than it is for a new manager.  I think this may also work in our favour when Elphick is back to fitness because it would take a brave decision to break up the Chester/Baker pairing after their past two performances.  Again, the new manager is under no pressure to bring back in the player who was the previous managers captain.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: olaftab on October 23, 2016, 03:16:42 PM
Yes absolutely agree on those points OK.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on October 23, 2016, 03:19:28 PM
We need to find a system  to accommodate him pretty quickly or his Villa career is going to be a short one.

No we don't (IMHO) he's an option off the bench currently like Gestede, and soon to be joined by Grealish. Trying to fit them all into a side that doesn't currently need them is what got RDM into bother. You can't just squeeze players into an eleven because of how much they cost. For the record  I like McCormack a lot. One of the few players we have with a football brain. When he's needed i'm sure he'll be more than capable of doing his job
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Dante Lavelli on October 23, 2016, 03:27:19 PM
Like the season before there seemed to be little strategy to the summer signings.  As a consequence we often have 2 or 3 expensive signings sat on the bench.  Whilst that is a positive because we have options it does mean that resources are wasted and glaring weakness exist, like the quality of our midfield. 

Hopefully between Round, Bruce and the scouting there is more clarity in our thinking in the future. 

Sorry, the reason I posted this on the McCormack thread is that I don't think the first XI is significantly stronger when he plays.  When selected, realistically only one other of Ayew/Adomah and Grealish should be picked (plus one from Kodiga/Gestede up top).

At £15m you'd think that the net increase in quality of the team should be reasonably notable, especially at this level.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Diablo on October 23, 2016, 03:30:15 PM
Hey Old Kodja welcome! Great point about Bruce not feeling the pressure of fielding his own expensive signing and reminding us that RM had suffered a knock (with all the recent excitement it had slipped my mind).
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Chris Smith on October 23, 2016, 03:49:14 PM
I think players will have to accept that it is a squad game and that having players on the bench who can make a difference is essential. I think that is not a problem when we are winning games but players might soon get pissed off if we lose a couple and they still don't start.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Dante Lavelli on October 23, 2016, 04:06:24 PM
I think players will have to accept that it is a squad game and that having players on the bench who can make a difference is essential. I think that is not a problem when we are winning games but players might soon get pissed off if we lose a couple and they still don't start.

That's half of the point I was trying to make, I think we'd lose less games if we'd spent more on midfield. 

In very round numbers we spent £35m on attackers when we already had Grealish and Ayew and about £7.5m on midfielders with Sanchez and Vertout both leaving.  As a consequence we have decent attacking players on the bench and an arguably under strength midfield.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: eamonn on October 24, 2016, 01:04:54 AM
Old Codger, great username!
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Witton Warrior on October 24, 2016, 08:03:18 AM
Ross will benefit from us playing 10 yards further up the pitch - in previous games any through ball leaves our forwards with 40 yards to get a shot on allowing defences time to smother them - against Wolves he was constantly calling the team forwards
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Ron Manager on October 24, 2016, 09:27:21 AM
It is a very long season with plenty of games for Steve Bruce to find a way of using McCormack effectively. I have a feeling he is going to be a major player for us
in the second half of the campaign.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: aj2k77 on October 24, 2016, 09:50:22 AM
With us looking a bit more solid, being able to have any 3 of Ayew, Gestede, Grealish, Adomah, McCormack and Kodjia coming off the bench is going to see us winning a lot of games in the last 20 minutes if we need to I think.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: paul_e on October 24, 2016, 10:11:50 AM
With us looking a bit more solid, being able to have any 3 of Ayew, Gestede, Grealish, Adomah, McCormack and Kodjia coming off the bench is going to see us winning a lot of games in the last 20 minutes if we need to I think.

Which should have been the case all season but for some reason RDM did it by emptying the midfield and creating chances for the opposition as much as for us.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: alan_clarke on October 24, 2016, 11:33:13 AM
Ross just needs to be patient, he'll get plenty of opportunities, especially with the ACON coming up.

I don't see us catching Newcastle because we've given them too much of a head start but it's our strength in depth that may well see us climb the table to get somewhere near promotion!
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Ad@m on October 24, 2016, 12:46:53 PM
With us looking a bit more solid, being able to have any 3 of Ayew, Gestede, Grealish, Adomah, McCormack and Kodjia coming off the bench is going to see us winning a lot of games in the last 20 minutes if we need to I think.

Which should have been the case all season but for some reason RDM did it by emptying the midfield and creating chances for the opposition as much as for us.

I  think RDM felt like he had to play them all because he'd paid so much money for them.

Bruce has the advantage that he didn't buy them so he's under no pressure to play them.  Means we can have a much better balance to the team.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Tuscans on November 20, 2016, 03:28:41 PM
Loves a good eyebrow plucking, looked slightly drag during the Leeds v Newcastle game.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Can Gana Be Bettered!?!? on November 20, 2016, 05:26:29 PM
Loves a good eyebrow plucking, looked slightly drag during the Leeds v Newcastle game.

We saw this when it was on in the pub. What the hell is going on with his eyebrows? Surely, and hopefully, he will have the piss completely ripped out of him by the Villa players then they're next in.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: eamonn on November 21, 2016, 12:41:19 AM
What are you talking about?
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Villan For Life on November 21, 2016, 07:45:26 AM
What are you talking about?

He was the pundit on the Sky coverage of the Leeds v Newcastle match.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: eamonn on November 21, 2016, 09:03:10 AM
Oh right, how'd he come across, appearance apart?

I can't believe how articulate and charismatic the injured Brighton player, Rosenior(?), was when doing punditry for our game at Brighton. I guess we're pre-conditioned to thinking they're all a mumbling, media-trained bland mass with not much original thought.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: chrisw1 on November 21, 2016, 10:14:42 AM
Oh right, how'd he come across, appearance apart?

I can't believe how articulate and charismatic the injured Brighton player, Rosenior(?), was when doing punditry for our game at Brighton. I guess we're pre-conditioned to thinking they're all a mumbling, media-trained bland mass with not much original thought.
I agree - I though Reosenior was excellent, very balanced views and gracious about us too.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Richard on November 21, 2016, 01:28:57 PM
His Dad (Leroy Rosenior) is also extremely articulate and likeable from what I remember of that highlights show after MOTD.

Back on topic is Ross M going to play much in Bruce's first choice XI I'm not so sure, especially away from home.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Tuscans on November 21, 2016, 04:16:25 PM
Loves a good eyebrow plucking, looked slightly drag during the Leeds v Newcastle game.

We saw this when it was on in the pub. What the hell is going on with his eyebrows? Surely, and hopefully, he will have the piss completely ripped out of him by the Villa players then they're next in.
They're getting thinner every week. Looks like he started it at Fulham because at Leeds at further back he had a good set of masculine brows, now he's almost looking like Mrs Doubtfire.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: berneboy on November 21, 2016, 04:40:26 PM
With us looking a bit more solid, being able to have any 3 of Ayew, Gestede, Grealish, Adomah, McCormack and Kodjia coming off the bench is going to see us winning a lot of games in the last 20 minutes if we need to I think.

Which should have been the case all season but for some reason RDM did it by emptying the midfield and creating chances for the opposition as much as for us.

I  think RDM felt like he had to play them all because he'd paid so much money for them.

Bruce has the advantage that he didn't buy them so he's under no pressure to play them.  Means we can have a much better balance to the team.

I said exactly this to my son as we discussed Villa on the phone - as is our wont.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: footyskillz on November 30, 2016, 11:52:42 PM
Reading on anothet thread McCormack  yet again being unavailable and think that has been part of problem.  He's being injured and suspended at times so no chance in getting a run in team.
Bruce has spoken about McCormack being given opportunity in 2nd half season and thst during january he ll be crucial

Also big man bruce said: “It hasn’t really got off to the start he would have liked. It’s a long, hard season and we are only a third of the way through."

I see McCormack excellent player and will when given chance in January do a great job however the issue is placing him into team with the 2 or  3 Acon players as well as grealish.
It's a good luxuryand dilema and is a plus if looking in positive.  I like him Kodja to link up
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: footyskillz on December 01, 2016, 06:10:07 PM
I read on transfer  thread some one suggesting would Fulham have him  back.  I Would absolutely think so I also think he wont be going anywhere. Remember he has pedigree in this league and was in demand by Norwich too.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: BegbieAV on December 01, 2016, 06:56:25 PM
I think he will be an asset to us for the remainder of this season in this division. Not so sure about the step up to the premiership if we get promoted
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Matt Collins on December 01, 2016, 09:04:04 PM
I'm just struggling to see how we accommodate him even during Afcon

It means playing with a proper number 10 and I'm not sure our midfield is good enough. I'd rather have jack there
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: eamonn on December 05, 2016, 06:15:41 PM
Is he still injured? What's the thing about his kid wearing a Leeds kit on Saturday?
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 05, 2016, 07:11:23 PM
His son was a mascot for Leeds, I read somewhere most of his family does.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Mister E on December 05, 2016, 07:57:41 PM
I heard on Saturday from a Leeds-loving mate of mine that RMc rather likes a drink or three. Not that I don't, but I'm not a honed athlete at the peak of my powers.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Hoppo on December 05, 2016, 08:19:51 PM
I may come across as a scrooge but I'm not happy with his son being a mascot in a game against us.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Comrade Blitz on December 05, 2016, 08:25:41 PM
I heard on Saturday from a Leeds-loving mate of mine that RMc rather likes a drink or three. Not that I don't, but I'm not a honed athlete at the peak of my powers.


Nor is he from all appearances.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: maidstonevillain on December 05, 2016, 08:26:49 PM
I heard on Saturday from a Leeds-loving mate of mine that RMc rather likes a drink or three. Not that I don't, but I'm not a honed athlete at the peak of my powers.
From what I've seen, RMc is not a honed athlete at the peak of his powers either.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: brontebilly on December 05, 2016, 08:47:59 PM
I'm just struggling to see how we accommodate him even during Afcon

It means playing with a proper number 10 and I'm not sure our midfield is good enough. I'd rather have jack there

Grealish on left, McCormack supporting .... Gabby or Gestede? Green on right?

Looks a little light on quality during the ACN
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Richard on December 05, 2016, 08:50:49 PM
Adomah is available I thought.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on December 05, 2016, 09:11:53 PM
I heard on Saturday from a Leeds-loving mate of mine that RMc rather likes a drink or three. Not that I don't, but I'm not a honed athlete at the peak of my powers.


Nor is he from all appearances.

He looks at least 1.5 stone overweight
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Gregorys Boy on December 05, 2016, 11:34:35 PM
Well I think we need another striker to step up and help Kodja out with the goals.  McCormack certainly has the history at this level.  But right now I do like the look of Kodja and Ruddy working together with Grealish just behind them.  When he gets back fit I think Ross could be a good option to come off the bench late in a tight game and try and snatch the winner.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: passitsideways on December 05, 2016, 11:56:11 PM
Still think a good midfielder is the key here - someone who can dominate the middle, while Jedinak sits back to mop up long balls would make me feel a whole lot better about McCormack strolling around contributing to goals from central positions while presumably contributing little defensively.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Matt Collins on December 06, 2016, 06:02:35 AM
Still think a good midfielder is the key here - someone who can dominate the middle, while Jedinak sits back to mop up long balls would make me feel a whole lot better about McCormack strolling around contributing to goals from central positions while presumably contributing little defensively.

Exactly. That's the problem with brontebilly's suggestion. It leaves jedinak plus one in midfield and we're not good enough to do that
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Risso on December 06, 2016, 09:44:18 AM
He's been a big disappointment so far. Looks unfit and not motivated. Expected better to be honest.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: papa lazarou on December 06, 2016, 09:53:27 AM
Still think a good midfielder is the key here - someone who can dominate the middle, while Jedinak sits back to mop up long balls would make me feel a whole lot better about McCormack strolling around contributing to goals from central positions while presumably contributing little defensively.

This has been the case for years now. No strong presence in the middle of the park. There's been a big hole there since Petrov stepped down with several poor attempts to replace. Get the right players in, and we need two, and the goals tally for the forwards would increase, including McCormack and Gestede.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: CJ on December 06, 2016, 09:55:16 AM
Adomah is available I thought.

Don't think so - plays for Ghana, same as Ayew, so we lose both of them as well as Kodjia. Still got Gestede though. Yippee
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: UK Redsox on December 06, 2016, 10:01:44 AM
Adomah is available I thought.

Don't think so - plays for Ghana, same as Ayew, so we lose both of them as well as Kodjia. Still got Gestede though. Yippee

I didn't think that Albert was in the Ghana squad.

I thought that the last time he was called up was back in 2015 for a game where all sorts of fringe players had a run out
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: CJ on December 06, 2016, 12:14:22 PM
Ah OK - would certainly be a bonus for us if he doesn't go. Any idea when they name the final squad?
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: footyskillz on December 14, 2016, 11:12:14 AM
I hope he starts on weekend but Bruce is playing 4-3-3 and he's difficult to fit in that system . I also see it most of time as a 4-5-1
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 14, 2016, 12:02:55 PM
Deserves a start given Gabby has started twice in the last month.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Matt Collins on December 17, 2016, 10:23:22 PM
Yeah but as others have said (and me about twenty times I reckon) - where?

He doesn't fit a 433 and if he plays in his best position it  means Jedinak plus 1 substandard midfielder and that's never looked good enough. Unless we went 352
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: villan from luton on December 17, 2016, 10:33:42 PM
As much as I dislike Warnock,he had him at Leeds and said it was difficult fitting him in. I think we need him up top near Kodjia and he will score goals. I think he and Grealish have the class to unlock opposition.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: achilles on December 17, 2016, 10:58:19 PM
It seems that although McCormack scored 38 league goals in 88 appearances for Fulham, since he has left they certainly seem not to have missed him one bit and have perhaps moved on from being one dimensional?
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Ads on December 17, 2016, 11:19:31 PM
They looked 0 dimensional when we played them. Utter shite.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: villan from luton on December 17, 2016, 11:27:11 PM
I think we need to fit him ion our team, somehow. He scores goals in this division
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: AV82EC on December 18, 2016, 09:17:55 AM
I think he's shit, fat slow unfit. Another great summer buy from RDM. I think it says everything that Gabby is getting in the team ahead of him.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: brian green on December 18, 2016, 10:47:04 AM
So far the perfect understudy for Gabby.  Seems to be growing into the part.  That's not fat, that's solid muscle school.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: saunders_heroes on December 18, 2016, 10:48:27 AM
I think we need to fit him ion our team, somehow. He scores goals in this division

Agree with this. Give him a run in the team up front, not out wide or behind the striker, up front as a centre forward and I think he'll score the goals we need to get into the play-offs. He's wasted really.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Clampy on December 18, 2016, 10:56:15 AM
I reckon he'll get a run out today alongside Kodjia.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: LeeB on December 18, 2016, 10:59:26 AM
I think we need to fit him ion our team, somehow. He scores goals in this division

Agree with this. Give him a run in the team up front, not out wide or behind the striker, up front as a centre forward and I think he'll score the goals we need to get into the play-offs. He's wasted really.

He hasn't wasted his dinner, by the looks of it.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: saunders_heroes on December 18, 2016, 11:02:13 AM
I reckon he'll get a run out today alongside Kodjia.

Well you got that right!
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: cdbullyweefan on December 18, 2016, 11:12:42 AM
I have put BIG MONEY* on him scoring a hat-trick today.






* well, two quid.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Matt Collins on December 18, 2016, 11:19:04 AM
Looks like he's starting from the left though. unless we keep the ball a lot better than we've done in most away games under Bruce he'll spen a lot of time wide left in a midfield five.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Risso on December 18, 2016, 11:30:55 AM
He's been an enormous, and I don't use the word lightly, waste of money so far, time to start doing something.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: CT on December 18, 2016, 12:47:59 PM
He's offering very little, apart from looking like a reincarnation of Simon Stainrod.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Chris Jameson on December 18, 2016, 12:53:21 PM
He's offering very little, apart from looking like a reincarnation of Simon Stainrod.

Thanks, was trying to think who he reminded me of!
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Deano's Mullet on December 18, 2016, 01:29:15 PM
Insult to stainrod me thinks
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Ad@m on December 18, 2016, 02:08:19 PM
He's been an enormous, and I don't use the word lightly, waste of money so far, time to start doing something.

Buy a striker and play him anywhere but up front and that's what's going to happen.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: KevinGage on December 18, 2016, 02:39:05 PM
His best form seems to have been playing off a strong target man at Leedzz and Fulham.

With AFCON coming up, do we try and play the market and get an OKish target man (Rudy should be at this level, but isn't) either on loan or cut price?

Or do we just cash in on him, try to recoup in the region of £8 million (I'd say there is Championship clubs that would still bite at that price) and put that towards a genuine CF; someone comfortable leading the line, chipping in with goals and comfortable with the pressure of being the side's focal point?

Before anyone says buy the better CF and keep RM, Bruce has said there are unlikely to be any big signings this Jan. Indicating that any bigger purchases would have to be funded by outgoing sales.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on December 18, 2016, 03:37:10 PM
I like him but can't see him coming good unless we change tactics and formation, which we shouldn't atm as we don't have the players and are doing OK the way we are set up.

If we had two decent wingers and two combative and mobile central midfielders then he would do great up front with Kodjia or Gestede, or as a number 10. But we don't, and accomadating him with the current squad means exposing Jedinak and dropping players that are scoring.

Shame, as he is certainly a good player.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Matt Collins on December 18, 2016, 05:45:07 PM
I like him but can't see him coming good unless we change tactics and formation, which we shouldn't atm as we don't have the players and are doing OK the way we are set up.

If we had two decent wingers and two combative and mobile central midfielders then he would do great up front with Kodjia or Gestede, or as a number 10. But we don't, and accomadating him with the current squad means exposing Jedinak and dropping players that are scoring.

Shame, as he is certainly a good player.

Spot on
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: West Derby Villan on December 18, 2016, 06:27:51 PM
I like him but can't see him coming good unless we change tactics and formation, which we shouldn't atm as we don't have the players and are doing OK the way we are set up.

If we had two decent wingers and two combative and mobile central midfielders then he would do great up front with Kodjia or Gestede, or as a number 10. But we don't, and accomadating him with the current squad means exposing Jedinak and dropping players that are scoring.

Shame, as he is certainly a good player.

Spot on

Agree
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 18, 2016, 06:36:05 PM
Reminds me of Gil...some nice touches outside of the box which gets the purists excited but generally little end product.

My gut instinct at the time was we signed him without thinking how we'd actually fit him into things and I've seen little to suggest otherwise.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Matt Collins on December 18, 2016, 06:40:51 PM
Reminds me of Gil...some nice touches outside of the box which gets the purists excited but generally little end product.

My gut instinct at the time was we signed him without thinking how we'd actually fit him into things and I've seen little to suggest otherwise.

But he's got the track record to show he can be a lot more than nice touches. He's probably been the best player in this league over the last few years
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 18, 2016, 07:10:12 PM
I reckon he'll get a run out today alongside Kodjia.

Well you got that right!
Except for the run bit, he is so off the pace he is a waste of a shirt.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: olaftab on December 18, 2016, 07:44:02 PM
Should have done better with the loose ball after the penalty was saved.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Ad@m on December 18, 2016, 09:06:16 PM
Reminds me of Gil...some nice touches outside of the box which gets the purists excited but generally little end product.

My gut instinct at the time was we signed him without thinking how we'd actually fit him into things and I've seen little to suggest otherwise.

But he's got the track record to show he can be a lot more than nice touches. He's probably been the best player in this league over the last few years

Exactly. If averaging 24 goals a season for the last 3 seasons is having 'little end product' I'll take a team of players with no end product thanks!
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Risso on December 18, 2016, 09:52:21 PM
Reminds me of Gil...some nice touches outside of the box which gets the purists excited but generally little end product.

My gut instinct at the time was we signed him without thinking how we'd actually fit him into things and I've seen little to suggest otherwise.

But he's got the track record to show he can be a lot more than nice touches. He's probably been the best player in this league over the last few years

Exactly. If averaging 24 goals a season for the last 3 seasons is having 'little end product' I'll take a team of players with no end product thanks!

And now he isn't.  Gestede scored 20+ goals the last time he was in this division, and he won't be repeating that any time soon either.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: LeeB on December 18, 2016, 09:53:20 PM
Reminds me of Gil...some nice touches outside of the box which gets the purists excited but generally little end product.

My gut instinct at the time was we signed him without thinking how we'd actually fit him into things and I've seen little to suggest otherwise.

But he's got the track record to show he can be a lot more than nice touches. He's probably been the best player in this league over the last few years

Exactly. If averaging 24 goals a season for the last 3 seasons is having 'little end product' I'll take a team of players with no end product thanks!

And now he isn't.  Gestede scored 20+ goals the last time he was in this division, and he won't be repeating that any time soon either.

It's not where you're from, it's where your're at.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: DeKuip on December 19, 2016, 02:06:20 PM
It's also a case who you play with, and their style.
McCormack gets into good positions in the box time after time, but it's very rare that the ball arrives to him. As good as Kodjia is, he's very direct and most of the time isn't aware of his other options (which worked for us yesterday) and Ayew is also very blinkered on the ball.
It's a bit similar for Gestede in that he never knows when a cross is going to come in and is often caught between making the run and being caught waiting.
Both could go elsewhere in the Championship and bag goals in the right set up, but with us they're victims of our haphazard way of buying players in the hope they'll just gel, rather than to fit into a plan.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on December 19, 2016, 02:08:42 PM


We knew what kind of player he was and how he needs to be played when we shelled out the big bucks on him. I'm beginning to think it was more of a 'we can do this' signing than one that was thought out judging by how we've used him since
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: UK Redsox on December 19, 2016, 02:23:23 PM
It's also a case who you play with, and their style.
McCormack gets into good positions in the box time after time, but it's very rare that the ball arrives to him. As good as Kodjia is, he's very direct and most of the time isn't aware of his other options (which worked for us yesterday) and Ayew is also very blinkered on the ball.

Who was RM playing alongside when he scored all his goals ?

If you have a centre-forward whose first thought is to lay the ball off to Ross, then I can see how he'd score a lot. However, you're right about Kod and especially Ayew. They're shoot on sight type of players
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Pat McMahon on December 19, 2016, 02:23:53 PM
I am still not certain where his best position is, but he doesn't seem to be on the same wavelength as other players.

I agree with De Kuip, we don't play incisive passes from midfield and Kodja, Adomah, Ayew and Grealish often take many touches and keep possession for a few seconds which means it is very hard to know when they will release the ball.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: paul_e on December 19, 2016, 02:51:55 PM


We knew what kind of player he was and how he needs to be played when we shelled out the big bucks on him. I'm beginning to think it was more of a 'we can do this' signing than one that was thought out judging by how we've used him since

I thought that at the time, I could never work out where he was going fit into the team if we played to our strengths.  Felt like a 'by the numbers' (i.e. he's scored goal for Fulham so he'll score goals for us) signing rather than being part of a strategy of how we wanted to play to get out of the division at the first chance.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: placeforparks on December 19, 2016, 03:00:28 PM
we'll have more of a measure as to where mccormack and gestede are when the other strikers disappear to the african cup of nations in jan/feb.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Ad@m on December 19, 2016, 08:07:18 PM
Reminds me of Gil...some nice touches outside of the box which gets the purists excited but generally little end product.

My gut instinct at the time was we signed him without thinking how we'd actually fit him into things and I've seen little to suggest otherwise.

But he's got the track record to show he can be a lot more than nice touches. He's probably been the best player in this league over the last few years

Exactly. If averaging 24 goals a season for the last 3 seasons is having 'little end product' I'll take a team of players with no end product thanks!

And now he isn't.  Gestede scored 20+ goals the last time he was in this division, and he won't be repeating that any time soon either.

You're missing the point. Just because he's not scoring goals now doesn't mean he's useless. He's clearly got the ability (he's demonstrated it many times over) so we should play to his strengths.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: paul_e on December 19, 2016, 08:14:03 PM
Reminds me of Gil...some nice touches outside of the box which gets the purists excited but generally little end product.

My gut instinct at the time was we signed him without thinking how we'd actually fit him into things and I've seen little to suggest otherwise.

But he's got the track record to show he can be a lot more than nice touches. He's probably been the best player in this league over the last few years

Exactly. If averaging 24 goals a season for the last 3 seasons is having 'little end product' I'll take a team of players with no end product thanks!

And now he isn't.  Gestede scored 20+ goals the last time he was in this division, and he won't be repeating that any time soon either.

You're missing the point. Just because he's not scoring goals now doesn't mean he's useless. He's clearly got the ability (he's demonstrated it many times over) so we should play to his strengths.

To be honest you're missing the point more, "he's done it at this level before so let's play to his strengths" is a terrible way to plan tactics, especially when Kodjia and Gestede have done it at this level before and playing to their strengths is a different setup and the current plan is clearly working for one of them.  We need to decide how we want to play and find the strikers in the squad who can fit in, not the other way round.  A big part of our shocking form in the last few years is that we've had managers changing everything on a whim and putting players in formations and positions that they've not been training for in the hope that something might click, we need to get away from such a short-sighted approach or we'll be going nowhere.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: peter w on December 19, 2016, 08:15:27 PM
The problem with our summer signings up top is that we bought players to either finish the jigsaw puzzle or to offer that little bit extra to get your team over the line. McCormack, Kodjia, Adomah definitely and even Jack or Ayew - -players to dot the i's or cross the t's. Not 5 players you shoehorn into a team to go up.i too like McCormack and think he's wasted at Villa. It'd be like Pulis buying Messi. Just a massive waste of time.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on December 19, 2016, 08:21:28 PM
3 problems with rmc

We overpaid for him
he is a good stone overweight
i have no idea where he fits in and neither does sb
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Ads on December 19, 2016, 08:27:34 PM
I think he would benefit from us having a midfield. He worked harder second half, but only once in the game did the midfield hit the box; Gardner almost on the end of a lovely ball from Amavi.

We need somebody who can break beyond with the ball from midfield, as presently there is not midfield for McCormack to link into the attack. When there's runners creating space, his intelligence and movement off the ball should benefit the wide men and Kodjia.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: brian green on December 19, 2016, 08:48:52 PM
I too think McCormack suffers from lack of forward runners.  I genuinely think that we play too much across the pitch and too little along the length of it.  There was one instance in our last home game when Ayew received the ball in space two or three yards from Wigan's penalty area.  He turned and passed to Chester in our half of the pitch and he passed back to Gollini who kicked it and we lost possession.  In three passes we had gone from a goal scoring position to having our goal threatened.
My simple opinion is that we do not have players in the midfield who are good enough to play Barcelona style possession football.  Very few teams have.  The solution is either buy in better quality midfielders or play a simpler more direct pressing game that can be delivered effectively by journeymen midfielders like Jedinak and Gardner.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: paul_e on December 19, 2016, 08:54:40 PM
I too think McCormack suffers from lack of forward runners.  I genuinely think that we play too much across the pitch and too little along the length of it.  There was one instance in our last home game when Ayew received the ball in space two or three yards from Wigan's penalty area.  He turned and passed to Chester in our half of the pitch and he passed back to Gollini who kicked it and we lost possession.  In three passes we had gone from a goal scoring position to having our goal threatened.
My simple opinion is that we do not have players in the midfield who are good enough to play Barcelona style possession football.  Very few teams have.  The solution is either buy in better quality midfielders or play a simpler more direct pressing game that can be delivered effectively by journeymen midfielders like Jedinak and Gardner.

This is partially true but the other part of the problem is that we make the pitch look massive when we attack, we always seem to have 4-5 players in their fimnal 3rd but none of them are within 10-15 yards of each other and offering for the ball.  That's why I blame the training so much, and have for years, when someone like Jack does a bit of magic the rest of them seem to stop and watch rather than try to take advantage of the space.  This is the bit that annoys me most about Hutton, he decides where he wants to go and what happens after that has no bearing on him at all.  The most common show of this is when he decides to bomb forward and ends up behind a defender and almost impossible to get the ball to.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: JJ-AV on December 19, 2016, 09:08:58 PM
He's just not fit enough and hasn't been all season.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Ad@m on December 19, 2016, 09:11:44 PM

To be honest you're missing the point more, "he's done it at this level before so let's play to his strengths" is a terrible way to plan tactics, especially when Kodjia and Gestede have done it at this level before and playing to their strengths is a different setup and the current plan is clearly working for one of them.  We need to decide how we want to play and find the strikers in the squad who can fit in, not the other way round.  A big part of our shocking form in the last few years is that we've had managers changing everything on a whim and putting players in formations and positions that they've not been training for in the hope that something might click, we need to get away from such a short-sighted approach or we'll be going nowhere.

I'm not in the slightest advocating changing everything on a whim but a bigger part of our problem for the past decade has been managers deciding they want to play a certain way and buying a completely new team to try to do that.

Instead I'd like a manager to actually pick a system and coach the team in a way which plays to the strengths of the players available rather than having a squad of strikers who could get in to any other team in the division yet still scoring barely a goal a game.

McCormack is 30. He wasn't bought for his potential. He was bought for his goals. So play him (and the others) in a way which gives him a chance of doing that. Otherwise he'll be yet another in a long recent history of monumental wastes of money.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 19, 2016, 09:11:55 PM
He's just not fit enough and hasn't been all season.
Is the right answer.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: paul_e on December 19, 2016, 09:51:53 PM

To be honest you're missing the point more, "he's done it at this level before so let's play to his strengths" is a terrible way to plan tactics, especially when Kodjia and Gestede have done it at this level before and playing to their strengths is a different setup and the current plan is clearly working for one of them.  We need to decide how we want to play and find the strikers in the squad who can fit in, not the other way round.  A big part of our shocking form in the last few years is that we've had managers changing everything on a whim and putting players in formations and positions that they've not been training for in the hope that something might click, we need to get away from such a short-sighted approach or we'll be going nowhere.

I'm not in the slightest advocating changing everything on a whim but a bigger part of our problem for the past decade has been managers deciding they want to play a certain way and buying a completely new team to try to do that.

Instead I'd like a manager to actually pick a system and coach the team in a way which plays to the strengths of the players available rather than having a squad of strikers who could get in to any other team in the division yet still scoring barely a goal a game.

McCormack is 30. He wasn't bought for his potential. He was bought for his goals. So play him (and the others) in a way which gives him a chance of doing that. Otherwise he'll be yet another in a long recent history of monumental wastes of money.

a consequence of that though is that you have a disjointed squad who aren't all served by a single playing style.  So do we build a team around a 30 year old who turned up unfit and hasn't caught up in 4 months or around the guy who has a 1 in 2 record for is, is bang in form and is a couple of years younger?  If we can find a style that works for Kodjia and that McCormack can fit into then yes do it and play them both but if that's not possible the Kod is the one with credit in the bank and we need to build around.  If RM turns out to be a waste of money because of that decision then that sucks but if I'm honest winning games, playing decent football, getting promoted and going on from there is all that matters, a wasted £10-12m on a signing that just didn't work out pales in comparison to those aims, especially with the riches on offer when we get back.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: brian green on December 19, 2016, 10:05:22 PM
You are right Paul.  There is no point in what punters call chasing your bet.  McCormack cost us a lot of money.  The gamble on him has been racked up by him failing to get properly fit and appearing to be in a comfort zone.  The money on him may be lost but it could become a much bigger loss if we try to skew the team to make a success of him.  In the words of the song you gotta know when to hold em know when to fold em you gotta know when to walk away and know when to run.  McCormack has the answer to the McCormack problem nobody else.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on December 20, 2016, 04:57:51 PM
He's just not fit enough and hasn't been all season.
Is the right answer.

This worries me, what the fuck are the fitness coaches doing? Surely players would be weighed regularly, bmi, body fat and all that?

having said that flabby was able to put on a couple of stone with no one noticing
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: footyskillz on January 14, 2017, 10:00:25 PM
The £12million summer arrival had perfect opportunity to score today at Wolves.

Bruce said: "He should score. We’re expecting him to because usually he does score. That’s what he’s on the pitch for: to score goals.

Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 15, 2017, 12:20:28 AM
The £12million summer arrival had perfect opportunity to score today at Wolves.

Bruce said: "He should score. We’re expecting him to because usually he does score. That’s what he’s on the pitch for: to score goals.
It was a shocking Miss, he completely miss timed his jump at an almost perfect cross.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Ads on January 15, 2017, 12:23:06 AM
Should have buried it. You couldn't have asked for a better ball.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: brontebilly on January 15, 2017, 12:37:17 AM
The £12million summer arrival had perfect opportunity to score today at Wolves.

Bruce said: "He should score. We’re expecting him to because usually he does score. That’s what he’s on the pitch for: to score goals.

Bruce isn't a fan of McCormack, he was saying the same pre game. To be fair he turned up in a diabolical physical state in August, surely RDM should have stayed clear then and there. Total flop and we will get our pants pulled down when we eventually sell him.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: mr underhill on January 15, 2017, 07:13:48 AM
Villa getting their pants pulled down has a depressingly familiar ring to it.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on January 15, 2017, 07:28:14 AM
If possible get rid
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: OzVilla on January 15, 2017, 07:35:53 AM
I agree, this is just not going to work out is it. Doesnt fit our structure, slow, unfit, missing sitters he's not impressed in any games so far.

Re-invest or a swap deal for someone we actually needed and expect to make loss..........again.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Vegas on January 15, 2017, 07:39:18 AM
Agree, one of the most disappointing signings we've had, with some pretty stiff competition.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Rigadon on January 15, 2017, 07:44:35 AM
Being out of form is forgivable. That he looks unfit is unacceptable. 
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: CT on January 15, 2017, 07:56:50 AM
Again, where are the Villa "fitness" experts in all of this? The ones who monitor all the data from these things they wear during training.

You've only got to look at the bloke to see he's unfit.

Who is allowing this to happen?

We're hemorrhaging money every week on him and Gabby not being fit enough to play football.

It would be laughable if it was another team.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: wittonwarrior on January 15, 2017, 08:19:06 AM
Ross McCormack can unconfirm
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Meanwood Villa on January 15, 2017, 08:20:12 AM
I wonder if things would have been different if he'd buried that one on one at Sheff Wed on day one.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Des Little on January 15, 2017, 08:30:59 AM
Not only out of shape, but hugely lacking in any kind of sharpness. The only thing he can finish right now is his dinner.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Villafirst on January 15, 2017, 08:35:57 AM
The club should fine players for being unfit or overweight. Surely there must be a fitness clause in their contracts? I still think there's a good player in McCormack, it's probably down to confidence. The poor midfield doesn't help.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: aev on January 15, 2017, 08:37:41 AM
I thought he scored goals for Fulham playing as a second striker? He certainly isn't mobile or quick enough to play on his own up front.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: LeeB on January 15, 2017, 08:45:21 AM
That Miss in the first game against Wednesday has set the tone.

He strikes me as an expensive Gary Penrice that pays far too much attention to his facial hair.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Rico on January 15, 2017, 08:52:03 AM
Quite possibly the most disappointing signing for many a year. When he signed I was genuinely excited at the prospect of a twenty goal per season player,  but my god, he has been garbage. Looks at least a stone overweight and has moobs for god's sake. Shape up or ship out.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: passitsideways on January 15, 2017, 08:54:02 AM
He's been supremely shit but I'm comfortable with not writing the final obituary on him until we've got some proper midfielders. I'm not saying he'll instantly transform into a world beater when that happens, but my opinion is that it takes a genuinely special attacking player (Benteke, Kodjia) to be able to still look good when playing in such disjointed setups.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: nick harper on January 15, 2017, 08:59:23 AM
Is he really out of shape? He is clearly not built for speed or short bursts but he looks no different to the clips I've seen of him with other teams.

He clearly a clever player, who can drop off, find pockets of space, and is a very good finisher. He's desperately low on confidence but he needs midfielders linking wth him and running beyond him.

I will reserve judgement until we've got a midfield to replace the garbage we've got at the moment. There are bigger priorities than replacing McCormack.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Risso on January 15, 2017, 09:30:57 AM
The way he was outpaced when he was set free in the second half was embarrassing, looked like he was running through mud.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: brian green on January 15, 2017, 09:53:49 AM
The curse of the last six years.  Seeing failure but not acting to correct it.  The "there is a good player in there" mindset.  In football you do not have the time to coax players to play to the best of their abilities.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: nick harper on January 15, 2017, 09:59:04 AM
The curse of the last six years.  Seeing failure but not acting to correct it.  The "there is a good player in there" mindset.  In football you do not have the time to coax players to play to the best of their abilities.

Brian we know there is a good player there. He's scored tons of goals at this level. There was not a Villa fan not happy we'd got a proven goal scorer in the summer. The fatal flaw is the midfield options we've ended up with.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Ads on January 15, 2017, 10:29:51 AM
McCormack isn't out of his normal shape. I'm not sure why people keep saying it.

He's always been that big and that slow. It's the absence of confidence and any sort of midfield support that is the problem.

He's not done himself any favours by missing that sitter, but then we create one chance, just one in 90 minutes.

Unless you're Kodjia and capable of creating magic from nothing, you're not going to score goals in this side.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 15, 2017, 10:37:37 AM
McCormack isn't out of his normal shape. I'm not sure why people keep saying it.

He's always been that big and that slow.
It is the absence of any signs of mobility and looks to me like someone very much out of his depth physically.

Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: JJ-AV on January 15, 2017, 12:29:50 PM
I can't stand McCormack. He's like the fat bloke at five-a-side who you're impressed has a nice touch and good with the one-twos, put him in an 11-a-side and he's absolutely dreadful, off the pace and always off-side. It really irritates me he's a senior player too, over set pieces, always brought on.

I think he's one of our worst ever signings.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 15, 2017, 12:37:35 PM
I think if we had a decent midfield we'd see more goals from McCormack. Terrible miss yesterday but it happens occasionally.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 15, 2017, 12:38:37 PM
I think he works pretty hard and his movement is good, but I think any striker who isn't capable of individual magic would struggle in this side. The midfield produces absolutely nothing. There's no cohesion between the three elements of the team, the defence, the midfield and the attack. They all seem to act independently and that is primarily the midfield's fault as they should provide the link.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Ads on January 15, 2017, 12:39:24 PM
Dreadful in our XI, not in the sides he's played for previous where he's scored more than anybody down here.

Likely because they had service into him. We don't put on crosses, get midfielders close or breaking beyond yet we complain he does nothing.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Bren'd on January 15, 2017, 12:46:01 PM
Slow, not lightweight but appears lightweight on the ball and doesn't get involved enough. I fear we have got him the other side of his peak which isn't a steady decline but a vertical drop. On a positive note he's still much better than Agnonlahore who is a waste of a shirt these days.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: UK Redsox on January 15, 2017, 12:46:12 PM
What's Ross's goal scoring record with and without Dembele ?
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Axl Rose on January 15, 2017, 12:49:54 PM
He just reminds me of David Brent.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Nastylee on January 15, 2017, 12:51:04 PM
Aside from his chance, I thought he stuck at it and didn't go hiding. Let's be honest the lack of service and support is woeful. On the subject of hiding, Gabby would be fucking brilliant at hide and seek.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: ozzjim on January 15, 2017, 01:02:40 PM
You know I might be taking leave of my senses but I thoughthink the front 2 worked hard and put the effort in. The midfield was so far lacking in any creativity when Green came in and actually tried to get down the line he looked a world beater.  We have to get some width into the side and midfielders who can pass.  Until then unless you are individually brilliant like Kodjia you will struggle up front.  I would even sell Grealish if bog money were offered to pay for a midfield.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on January 15, 2017, 01:11:57 PM


I don't think he was THAT bad yesterday, we created one chance for him and he missed it. Most strikers get 3 or 4 a game at least. He worked hard but still doesn't look 100% fit to me. And compared to Gabby he looked positively Messi esque
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Villafirst on January 15, 2017, 01:16:53 PM
I think if we had a decent midfield we'd see more goals from McCormack. Terrible miss yesterday but it happens occasionally.

Yes, agree. That's the result of creating only one real chance. A miss like that is magnified by our shocking lack of creativity.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Chris Jameson on January 15, 2017, 01:25:12 PM
He's very good at pointing, i'll give him that.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Richard E on January 15, 2017, 01:26:10 PM
He's very good at pointing, i'll give him that.

Yes, but we already had a perfectly adequate pointer in Westwood.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: paul_e on January 15, 2017, 01:37:15 PM
If we want to get the most out of RM we need to get people around him.  It's really that simple.  Bruce seems to understand the value of a defensive shape but he has no idea about attacking shape.

With the ball Jedi offers so little that I'd actually get him to drop into central defence and let Baker and Chester push a little wider.  That way we could put Bacuna on the right and tell him and Amavi to get much higher up the pitch.  Have Tish central and moving up with them and then go with Grealish on the left, Adomah on the right and RM central but with the former 2 encouraged to come inside as well as look to go down the wing and try to get them closer to him.  Up front I'd just throw Davis/RHM/Sellars in because they honestly can't be as shit as gabby.  The only thing Gabby gets credit for right now is working hard, I think if you throw one of the kids in and tell them to earn their place you'll get just as much work but they might offer something more as well.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 15, 2017, 03:01:13 PM
Perhaps the most damning thing you can say is the fact that he can't even get into the Scotland squad with how poor it is at the minute.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: BOB MANSFIELD on January 15, 2017, 03:44:46 PM
Really hasn't displayed any of the so-called £12-14m attributes has he ? Can't run, doesn't challenge, can't jump, can't head a ball, and only scores with an occasional effort(is it 2 now ?) relative to 20-odd last year. What's gone wrong ? I thought I read he had off-field issues that he is (not well) dealing with too ?
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on January 15, 2017, 03:50:00 PM
The amount we paid for him is horrific
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: john e on January 15, 2017, 05:22:48 PM
i'l be honest I knew little about him when we signed him, but I remember pundits and people in the game saying he was the best player outside the premiership

so they were either wrong or he fell into the 'everything turns to shit' pool we must have somewhere at Bodymoor
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 15, 2017, 05:50:34 PM
Really hasn't displayed any of the so-called £12-14m attributes has he ? Can't run, doesn't challenge, can't jump, can't head a ball, and only scores with an occasional effort(is it 2 now ?) relative to 20-odd last year. What's gone wrong ? I thought I read he had off-field issues that he is (not well) dealing with too ?

Have you noticed the lack of service from midfield this season?
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: brontebilly on January 15, 2017, 06:18:00 PM
Perhaps the most damning thing you can say is the fact that he can't even get into the Scotland squad with how poor it is at the minute.

Strachan wasn't picking him or Jordan Rhodes when they were dominating our division, says a bit about Strachan too mind
I was expecting a Robbie Keane type forward in McCormack , great at linking play up and sniffing out opportunities. Kodjia should be his ideal partner, pacy and able to hold it up. But the condition he started the season in sounded the alarm bells and he seems to be getting worse not better. That winner v Burton didn't kick-start any form out of him
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 15, 2017, 06:42:01 PM
I agree, this is just not going to work out is it. Doesnt fit our structure, slow, unfit, missing sitters he's not impressed in any games so far.

Re-invest or a swap deal for someone we actually needed and expect to make loss..........again.

Agreed.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 15, 2017, 06:45:45 PM
McCormack isn't out of his normal shape. I'm not sure why people keep saying it.

He's always been that big and that slow. It's the absence of confidence and any sort of midfield support that is the problem.

He's not done himself any favours by missing that sitter, but then we create one chance, just one in 90 minutes.

Unless you're Kodjia and capable of creating magic from nothing, you're not going to score goals in this side.

I actually assumed from the youtube videos McC wasn't just a Bent style poacher and could score outside the box....there's certainly plenty of goals from his Fulham and Leeds days of him smashing twenty yarders and also free kicks from that range.

I just don't see it happening for him here...luxury player who just can't fit in our team wherever we play him.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 15, 2017, 06:50:26 PM


Just to back up my point....first two goals on this video from his goals last season were.....25 yard free kicks.

Has Bodymoor coached out all of his free kick taking ability?
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: four fornicholl on January 15, 2017, 06:52:31 PM
I agree he isnt performing and he doesnt do it for me, but he must of had decent players around and supplying him, something he hasnt got a fkn hope in hell of having here.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Ads on January 15, 2017, 07:12:11 PM
He hit the bar from a free kick at Cardiff.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: BOB MANSFIELD on January 15, 2017, 08:10:10 PM
Ads...."nearlies" don't count.
I absolutely agree that everyone is suffering in their play because of the woeful absence of Midfield ability, strength, pace, creativity........and hopefully SB and his Directors agree and are doing something(s) behind the scenes to rectify that.
Even if they do, however, I also agree that this squad would be absolutely over-run in the Prem. and we should get a team that works as a team if we want to be promoted and survive.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Bestmate on January 15, 2017, 09:02:13 PM
I agree, this is just not going to work out is it. Doesnt fit our structure, slow, unfit, missing sitters he's not impressed in any games so far.

Re-invest or a swap deal for someone we actually needed and expect to make loss..........again.



Agreed.

Having sat through  that pile of crap last night at wolves, can either of you tell me what structure  i am missing here? Please  tell  me real slow so i understand !!!!
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Ad@m on January 16, 2017, 12:23:20 PM
It looks increasingly likely it's not going to work out for him here, but it's going to piss me off no end when he goes somewhere else and starts banging the goals in.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: LeeB on January 16, 2017, 01:32:02 PM
It looks increasingly likely it's not going to work out for him here, but it's going to piss me off no end when he goes somewhere else and starts banging the goals in.

I'm convinced it will be for Paul Lambert at Wolves, just because it would be typical.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: mr underhill on January 16, 2017, 01:33:53 PM
on a par with BB for one of our worst ever signings.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: cdbullyweefan on January 16, 2017, 01:35:43 PM
It looks increasingly likely it's not going to work out for him here, but it's going to piss me off no end when he goes somewhere else and starts banging the goals in.

I'm convinced it will be for Paul Lambert at Wolves, just because it would be typical.

Not sure. I can't recall Lambert ever buying a non-tall forward.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: mr underhill on January 16, 2017, 01:37:08 PM
or one who takes to the field in a smoking jacket and needs a mobility scooter to move around the pitch
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: PeterWithe on January 16, 2017, 01:42:36 PM
It looks increasingly likely it's not going to work out for him here, but it's going to piss me off no end when he goes somewhere else and starts banging the goals in.

You are probably right but he's looked best when Jack has been playing behind him as he seems to be the only one that see's his runs, I'd like to see him play a few more times with the new midfielders I hope are coming before writing him off.

I agree that it doesnt look too promising at the moment.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: ClarrieBlue on January 16, 2017, 01:43:25 PM


Just to back up my point....first two goals on this video from his goals last season were.....25 yard free kicks.

Has Bodymoor coached out all of his free kick taking ability?

The Ross McCormack we've seen just doesn't seem capable of finding the space or positions to score a good few of those goals. What have we done to him? He can't have deteriorated that much in literally months.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: oldtimernow on January 16, 2017, 01:44:49 PM
He might be on the Gabby diet perhaps?
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Chris Stares on January 16, 2017, 01:58:12 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe
...he's looked best when Jack has been playing behind him as he seems to be the only one that see's his runs, I'd like to see him play a few more times with the new midfielders I hope are coming before writing him off.

I agree that it doesnt look too promising at the moment.

100% agree with this.  We have no "lock-picker" in midfield capable of exploiting the clever runs into channels and across the backline that McCormack makes.  All of our creative players are the sort who want to dribble and go past people rather than being able to play a killer pass.  On the (very rare) occasions where Grealish in particular has interchanged passes with McCormack playing little one-twos around the box we've invariably cut through the opposition defence (if not scored).  It must be frustrating for McCormack to very rarely get any decent service and then when he does get a gilt-edged chance, maybe tries too hard to convert and screws it up.  That must start eating away at a player's confidence over time.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on January 16, 2017, 01:58:35 PM


Has he ever looked a different shape than he does now ?

Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Chris Stares on January 16, 2017, 02:07:09 PM
Quote from: ClarrieBlue

The Ross McCormack we've seen just doesn't seem capable of finding the space or positions to score a good few of those goals. What have we done to him? He can't have deteriorated that much in literally months.

I disagree to some extent - I think he does often make good runs, finds space and gets into good positions.  We just lack the quality elsewhere to provide the service to exploit his movement.  And as time goes on and we play worse and worse, it seems that everyone becomes infected by the same malaise.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Chris Stares on January 16, 2017, 02:08:59 PM


Has he ever looked a different shape than he does now ?


He definitely looks a bit chunkier now than he did in that YouTube video.  Maybe the claret and blue just doesn't flatter his "curves".   :D
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: chrisw1 on January 16, 2017, 03:15:28 PM
I agree that before writing him off I would like to see him play with a more effective midfield.  If we are not short of money then I can'r see any real benefit of cashing in now.  He looks like a clever player to me and I'd like to hang on and see if he can turn it around.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Bren'd on January 16, 2017, 03:28:52 PM
What do you mean by "Looks like a clever player?"

Clever, as in hoodwinked the club to part with £12 million and a big signing on fee for very little return?  Or, clever on the basis he contributes next to fuck all but still gets picked?

I hope Bruce tore a strip off him for that miss on Saturday it was shocking.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: BOB MANSFIELD on January 16, 2017, 03:32:37 PM
Afternoon.
It was an awful miss....but if it had been one amongst several or if he'd had 6 or 7 efforts and even scored one, it would have been an " ooh, nearly! C'mon Rossy baby " moment.
But there's nothing.
Nothing.
Nowt.
0
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: chrisw1 on January 16, 2017, 03:39:34 PM
What do you mean by "Looks like a clever player?"

Clever, as in hoodwinked the club to part with £12 million and a big signing on fee for very little return?  Or, clever on the basis he contributes next to fuck all but still gets picked?

I hope Bruce tore a strip off him for that miss on Saturday it was shocking.
Clever in that he looks like he makes decent runs that non of our cunting midfield seem to be able to spot and with better players around him he may score a fuckload of goals like he's managed to before.  It's just an opinion ok?
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: BOB MANSFIELD on January 16, 2017, 03:44:30 PM
he IS footy-clever and I think that's why he and Grealish are on the same wave. However, they're also on the same beach having an ice cream and admiring the talent. Instead of running themselves silly for £25 k + per week !
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Clampy on January 16, 2017, 03:46:40 PM
What do you mean by "Looks like a clever player?"

Clever, as in hoodwinked the club to part with £12 million and a big signing on fee for very little return?  Or, clever on the basis he contributes next to fuck all but still gets picked?

I hope Bruce tore a strip off him for that miss on Saturday it was shocking.

Were you saying we were 'hoodwinked' at the time we brought him?

I'd like to see us persevere with him. Let's sort the midfield out then see what he does. He's scored goals at this level before so the chances are he will again.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: chrisw1 on January 16, 2017, 03:49:11 PM
What do you mean by "Looks like a clever player?"

Clever, as in hoodwinked the club to part with £12 million and a big signing on fee for very little return?  Or, clever on the basis he contributes next to fuck all but still gets picked?

I hope Bruce tore a strip off him for that miss on Saturday it was shocking.

Were you saying we were 'hoodwinked' at the time we brought him?

I'd like to see us persevere with him. Let's sort the midfield out then see what he does. He's scored goals at this level before so the chances are he will again.
Thanks Clampy, that's a more polite way of saying what I meant.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Bren'd on January 16, 2017, 03:50:28 PM
What do you mean by "Looks like a clever player?"

Clever, as in hoodwinked the club to part with £12 million and a big signing on fee for very little return?  Or, clever on the basis he contributes next to fuck all but still gets picked?

I hope Bruce tore a strip off him for that miss on Saturday it was shocking.
Clever in that he looks like he makes decent runs that non of our cunting midfield seem to be able to spot and with better players around him he may score a fuckload of goals like he's managed to before.  It's just an opinion ok?

You're perfectly entitled to your opinion chrisw1, I just don't see much evidence of these clever runs.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Risso on January 16, 2017, 03:51:41 PM
It looks to me that we're just incapable of creating any goals for any sort of striker.  Gestede at Blackburn thrived on them banging cross after cross into the box, and so we failed to do that, ever.  Now we have someone in McCormack who I believe, is a bit of a fox-in-the-box poacher type, so of course we almost never play any passes into the box either.  90% of the blame has to go to the midfield, which I think it is fair to say, is absolute fucking garbage:

Jedinak - Jediknackered.  Old, slow, and not likely to create a chance unless it's a random stray header from the edge of our box.
Westwood - Ashley Westwood
Tshibola - young, raw and energetic, but lacks any real quality so far.
Gardner - rubbish
Grealish - for a player of his ability, he should be setting up chances right, left and center, but doesn't.  If it's not a penalty from him being hacked down, he creates nothing.  Passing is dreadful.

Where oh where are the chances going to come from with that little lot?

McCormack isn't going to create chances for himself like Kodjia does, owing to the fact that his fat little legs don't move very fast, so as a minimum we need, and I hesitate to say this, two midfielders and a right back.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: BOB MANSFIELD on January 16, 2017, 03:54:11 PM
I just knew someone would have the answer.......2 midfielders and a packet of crisps.
Oh...and a Vimto for young Green.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Clampy on January 16, 2017, 03:54:26 PM
What do you mean by "Looks like a clever player?"

Clever, as in hoodwinked the club to part with £12 million and a big signing on fee for very little return?  Or, clever on the basis he contributes next to fuck all but still gets picked?

I hope Bruce tore a strip off him for that miss on Saturday it was shocking.

Were you saying we were 'hoodwinked' at the time we brought him?

I'd like to see us persevere with him. Let's sort the midfield out then see what he does. He's scored goals at this level before so the chances are he will again.
Thanks Clampy, that's a more polite way of saying what I meant.

And besides, he didn't 'hoodwink' anybody to pay £12m. Fulham set the price, not him.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Bren'd on January 16, 2017, 03:55:03 PM
What do you mean by "Looks like a clever player?"

Clever, as in hoodwinked the club to part with £12 million and a big signing on fee for very little return?  Or, clever on the basis he contributes next to fuck all but still gets picked?

I hope Bruce tore a strip off him for that miss on Saturday it was shocking.

Were you saying we were 'hoodwinked' at the time we brought him?

I'd like to see us persevere with him. Let's sort the midfield out then see what he does. He's scored goals at this level before so the chances are he will again.

I didn't say much either way as I knew little about him.  I thought at 12 million we'd bought a proven goal scorer/half decent footballer instead of the useless lump we have actually bought.  I'm sick to death of our expensive signings continually turning out to be shit.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Taylor on January 16, 2017, 03:55:18 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe
...he's looked best when Jack has been playing behind him as he seems to be the only one that see's his runs, I'd like to see him play a few more times with the new midfielders I hope are coming before writing him off.

I agree that it doesnt look too promising at the moment.

100% agree with this.  We have no "lock-picker" in midfield capable of exploiting the clever runs into channels and across the backline that McCormack makes.  All of our creative players are the sort who want to dribble and go past people rather than being able to play a killer pass.  On the (very rare) occasions where Grealish in particular has interchanged passes with McCormack playing little one-twos around the box we've invariably cut through the opposition defence (if not scored).  It must be frustrating for McCormack to very rarely get any decent service and then when he does get a gilt-edged chance, maybe tries too hard to convert and screws it up.  That must start eating away at a player's confidence over time.
I agree, I just don't get this "disinterested" accusation levelled at MCormack. Whenever I've seen him play he just looks frustrated, and when he got the chance he misses it because he's trying to hard. I'm convinced he'll score for Villa regularly as soon as one goes in, and he gets a run in the team.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: BOB MANSFIELD on January 16, 2017, 03:59:19 PM
I personally worry that he's got the stamina to have to run anywhere. He never inspires me that he is Mata in disguise, or has the talent of a Modric. Both of whom appear to have equally short legs.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Ad@m on January 16, 2017, 09:34:44 PM
I thought at 12 million we'd bought a proven goal scorer

What, you mean like someone who's scored 20 goals a season for the past three years?
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: john e on January 16, 2017, 09:38:40 PM
I thought at 12 million we'd bought a proven goal scorer

What, you mean like someone who's scored 20 goals a season for the past three years?

not even Sherlock Holmes or Jean Paul Sartre could solve this particular conundrum
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Rudy65 on January 16, 2017, 09:38:52 PM
Watched his Toutube montage again today and he looked a little portly around the middle two years ago. I wonder whether he is just a lazy indivdual who having had his last pay day is just taking it easy now
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: mr underhill on January 17, 2017, 06:43:49 AM
of course he is, he plays for us. Had he joined Norwich he'd probably be into double figures by now.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: aev on January 17, 2017, 07:05:25 AM
I wonder why it is most of our recent signings have become massive disappointments?

Of course the buck stops with the players, but the common theme could easily be poor training, tactics or motivation.

As mr underhill suggests above, I think if he was elsewhere he'd be in double figures by now. We spent £12m on someone and have no idea how to get the best out of him.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: brian green on January 17, 2017, 07:16:00 AM
The thread I started on the topic of players' attitudes to our club sank like a stone but I genuinely believe we allow players too much latitude regarding fitness, lifestyles and the need to deliver to the absolute limit of their ability.

We seem to be on a loop of giving previously good players excessive time to prove themselves.  There is the odd exception like Jonathan Kodjia who delivered his best from the start but there is so much circumstantial evidence of player deterioration there has to be a causal factor.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Jimbo on January 17, 2017, 08:16:09 AM
Ross has got Villaitis. Also known as Made-it Syndrome or Agbonlahor's Disease. The only known cure is a strict diet, plenty of physical and mental exercise and close monitoring in a highly disciplined environment.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: mr underhill on January 17, 2017, 08:58:11 AM
IACGMOOH?
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: brian green on January 17, 2017, 09:04:12 AM
Is A Cloud of Gas Moving Over Our House?   Yes ñitrous oxide.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: mr underhill on January 17, 2017, 09:12:34 AM
!!!
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: brian green on January 17, 2017, 09:16:43 AM
I watched The Imitation Game last night.  Just call me Turing.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Villan For Life on January 17, 2017, 09:28:59 AM
The thread I started on the topic of players' attitudes to our club sank like a stone but I genuinely believe we allow players too much latitude regarding fitness, lifestyles and the need to deliver to the absolute limit of their ability.

We seem to be on a loop of giving previously good players excessive time to prove themselves.  There is the odd exception like Jonathan Kodjia who delivered his best from the start but there is so much circumstantial evidence of player deterioration there has to be a causal factor.

Bruce has always struck me as a disciplinarian, particularly as he played under one of the most controlling managers that the game has known. I'm sure some of Fergie's methods will have rubbed off, just not the creating successful sides one.

My concern is that we have been viewed as an easy street club for too long and a new owner, new board and new manager doesn't seem to have changed the culture at all.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 17, 2017, 10:49:20 AM
As long as a massive chasm exists between our midfield and forwards it won't matter who we play up front. The midfield is too slow/abject to contribute anything other than the odd interception before promptly giving it away let alone pressing the defence and helping to create legitimate chances. We fix that the goals will come and the likes of McCormack will have value. Somehow he's scored goals whenever he's been except with us. While some of that's on him, lots of it is on our ability to provide any real support or a system that allows us to get the best out of him.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: PaulTheVillan on January 17, 2017, 12:27:40 PM
As long as a massive chasm exists between our midfield and forwards it won't matter who we play up front. The midfield is too slow/abject to contribute anything other than the odd interception before promptly giving it away let alone pressing the defence and helping to create legitimate chances. We fix that the goals will come and the likes of McCormack will have value. Somehow he's scored goals whenever he's been except with us. While some of that's on him, lots of it is on our ability to provide any real support or a system that allows us to get the best out of him.
Agreed. McCormacks previous good seasons when he played with a decent striker up top. Playing with Kodjia might work, it certainly won't with Gabby.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: achilles on January 17, 2017, 02:43:10 PM
I really want to judge McCormack with a decent midfield, then and only then will we find out just how good/bad he really is!
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: tony scott on January 17, 2017, 05:42:03 PM
I didn't go on Saturday and have just seen r ms miss, it wasn't as clear it as a lot of people have made out, I think because it was the only chance we created it has been blown out of all proportion, I'm in the camp that thinks if we create more chances he will start to flourish.  Most on this site seem to think a couple of midfielders will fix the prob, I'm not so sure, I think the only type mf who will make a difference will have to be quick hard tackling with an eye for goal, not many of those around. Our current MFS is ponderous butwe could get away with it if they could play the ball into forward spaces for the strikers to run onto however when they try they lose possession due to strikers not running into the space therefore they pass sideways and backwards I just wonder if our coaching staff are so obsessed with not conceding that there adding to the problem it's all very well keeping shape but if your as slow and hesitant as we are it's pointless.

Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: CT Villan on January 17, 2017, 06:06:35 PM
I just watched 3 youtube compilations of McCormack goals to try and see if he only scored inside the box and it is pretty clear to me that he has good movement in- and out-side the box and takes a good free kick in addition to the tap-ins. In fact, he even out-sprints several defenders in some of the goals, imagine that !!! He isn't one-dimensional, though I think he looked a lot thinner in those videos and was moving a whole lot more than he does for us. To be fair, he also had better midfields feeding him too.

With a more effective midfield and better fitness, I think Ross has a major part to play.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: BOB MANSFIELD on January 18, 2017, 09:28:55 PM
I'm still of the opinion that there's something going on, off the field, that's causing his did-interest and poor attitude on the park. Family matters can cause major stress for any kind of worker and in the entertainment business, it is going to be difficult to put those things to one side and perform at your expected best level, I guess.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Mister E on January 18, 2017, 09:45:05 PM
I'm still of the opinion that there's something going on, off the field, that's causing his did-interest and poor attitude on the park. Family matters can cause major stress for any kind of worker and in the entertainment business, it is going to be difficult to put those things to one side and perform at your expected best level, I guess.
Well, the opinion from Leeds is that he is a pisshead ... but that may apply to many footballers.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: BOB MANSFIELD on January 18, 2017, 09:49:07 PM
Does this herald the " second coming " of a saviour with Mc in his name then ?

Whilst the opinion of his predilection is quite possibly true..........

I think not.
there is only one McGod.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on January 18, 2017, 10:07:43 PM
I still think he is a fine player. As others have noted he just needs to have a string midfield behind him and/or partner up front. Also get him on deadball duty!
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 18, 2017, 11:25:13 PM
I still think he is a fine player. As others have noted he just needs to have a string midfield behind him and/or partner up front. Also get him on deadball duty!

How long of a midfield though? How long IS a midfield?
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: VinnieChase84 on January 18, 2017, 11:26:38 PM
I still think he is a fine player. As others have noted he just needs to have a string midfield behind him and/or partner up front. Also get him on deadball duty!

Agreed. His brain is two steps ahead of most of the rest
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on January 19, 2017, 04:52:19 AM
I still think he is a fine player. As others have noted he just needs to have a string midfield behind him and/or partner up front. Also get him on deadball duty!

How long of a midfield though? How long IS a midfield?

I tripped over that one.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: ozzjim on January 19, 2017, 07:08:38 AM
I don't get the Rhodes thing.  We would be much better off getting 3 midfielders and a winger and creating a supply line to McCormack.  If our midfield were playing higher up the pitch they might actually spot a forward pass. Gets so frustrating.  I reckon Bruce would take the first offer of 8m plus for him though.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: JJ-AV on January 19, 2017, 08:45:37 AM
It's crazy how much opinions are split on Ross. I think he'd be terrible as the focal point. Kodjia looks better with Gabby as he was playing deeper, when he was with Ross he was further forward and less-involved. Ross can't and won't play at the 9 from what I've seen (well, he can't play at all from what I've seen...)
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Villatillidie25 on January 19, 2017, 09:43:14 AM
The split on opinion is a strange one.

My opinion though (for what its worth!) is that I would rather have RM than I would JR. However, neither will be a success unless we move the whole team forward 15 yards and buy 2 midfielders who can get up and down the pitch.
The defence and Jedinak sit so deep it's ridiculous which stretches the game out and leaves whoever is playing up front isolated and stranded. Couple that with the fact that the normal midfield (pointy or GG) can't get up and down the pitch to support the striker and it is no wonder our forwards look lost. It also makes us vulnerable on the counter attack should we ever actually manage to get the midfield a little further forward - this happened a lot against Wolves.

Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: brian green on January 19, 2017, 09:55:02 AM
McCormack's brain may be two steps ahead of everybody it his body that misses the bus. 
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: West Derby Villan on January 19, 2017, 11:31:20 AM
McCormack's brain may be two steps ahead of everybody it his body that misses the bus.

Yep, you got it right there!
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: auntiesledd on January 19, 2017, 05:10:49 PM
I appreciate that McCormack should be a better fit for us than Rhodes and that he hasn't been given much in the way of service when he's actually played. However, RM's body language has been rubbish since we spunked £12m on him; & if a he doesn't want to be here - then we should ship him out asap & get a forward in who actually wants to play for us. It's down to Bruce to find a way of playing in order to get the very best out of his players and I believe Jordan Rhodes could well be very effective if we can play to his strengths.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: BOB MANSFIELD on January 19, 2017, 08:21:35 PM
I think we may have certain opinions tested and questions answered IF  we get both Lansbury and Hourihane to do that higher-up-midfield trick. Fingers crossed, can't wait.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: mr underhill on January 19, 2017, 08:49:14 PM
I CAN'T EITHER BOB
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: BOB MANSFIELD on January 19, 2017, 08:51:58 PM
'citing isn't it.........keep watching for definite news. Probably won't be done before 11:59pm on deadline day !
If then.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: chrisw1 on January 19, 2017, 09:08:08 PM
Def hope we keep McCormack now we are close to have more midfield options.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: paul_e on January 19, 2017, 10:52:04 PM
'citing isn't it.........keep watching for definite news. Probably won't be done before 11:59pm on deadline day !
If then.

that'd be 59 minutes too late and we'd all be rather pissed off, the window closes at 11pm.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: tomd2103 on January 20, 2017, 01:17:20 AM
Def hope we keep McCormack now we are close to have more midfield options.

Doesn't really change anything to be honest.  He can only play in one specific role - a drop off striker in a front two.  If we aren't going to play two up front, he won't play.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Matt Collins on January 20, 2017, 05:43:49 AM
True dat, and you'd have thought we'll play a three now

But maybe with better quality the thinking is were more likely to be able to play a 4411

Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: cdbullyweefan on January 20, 2017, 08:02:56 AM
It's "tru dat", daddy-o.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: footyskillz on January 21, 2017, 04:04:56 PM
Not involved in the squad today.  I think he's paying for last week's sitter he's missed. Sell him back to Fulham Bruce doesn't fancy him
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: CT on January 21, 2017, 05:35:36 PM
Disciplined by the club.

This for me, is why the likes of Richards, Gabby, Bacuna et al should have been paid off. The attitude is infectious.

The bloke is being paid £45 grand a week and he can't even turn up for training on a regular basis.

No wonder he looks so fucking fat.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Rudy65 on January 21, 2017, 05:49:42 PM
Disciplined by the club.

This for me, is why the likes of Richards, Gabby, Bacuna et al should have been paid off. The attitude is infectious.

The bloke is being paid £45 grand a week and he can't even turn up for training on a regular basis.

No wonder he looks so fucking fat.

Has he been disciplined?
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: aev on January 21, 2017, 05:51:20 PM
What an absolute fucking rotter.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: frank black on January 21, 2017, 05:52:04 PM
Yep keeps missing training, not professional, out of contention and out of condition. Bruce trying his best to embarrass and bomb him out.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Jon Crofts on January 21, 2017, 05:54:41 PM
Christ, another one that's turned into an absolute bobbins signing, we do pick 'em.

Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 21, 2017, 05:56:01 PM
Is he known for liking a drink?
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on January 21, 2017, 05:56:32 PM
Oh for fucks sake. I got this guy wrong then.

Why the hell have we got ANOTHER player who just disintegrates after he joins us?

Another one who can fuck off. Jesus.

Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Bad English on January 21, 2017, 05:57:01 PM
I hope the Villa keep missing his fucking pay cheque then.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Bad English on January 21, 2017, 06:01:11 PM
We should have a thread named "Over forty Villa players you think are fit". We wouldn't get past the first page.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: auntiesledd on January 21, 2017, 06:04:13 PM
He is a disgrace. Get rid, ASAP.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: brontebilly on January 21, 2017, 06:04:20 PM
Yep keeps missing training, not professional, out of contention and out of condition. Bruce trying his best to embarrass and bomb him out.

Surely the club has grounds to sack this clown? Missing training ffs

Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Five Villa Tattoos on January 21, 2017, 06:13:48 PM
"There's been too much indiscipline at this club for too long and I won't put up with it". McCormack isn't the only one by the sound of it.😡
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 21, 2017, 06:35:30 PM
Ross McCormack feels the wrath of Steve Bruce in shock outburst

Steve Bruce dropped the forward from today's squad that drew 2-2 with Preston North End

17:48, 21 JAN 2017Updated17:52, 21 JAN 2017
Ross McCormack has been axed by Aston Villa manager Steve Bruce who has deemed the striker unfit to play.

Bruce confirmed post match that the Scottish forward has been continually missing training and the 30-year-old, who joined from Fulham in the summer for £12million.

McCormack has been disciplined and told he will not feature until his attitude improves.

Eyebrows were raised when the striker was left out of the squad and Bruce let rip after today's 2-2 draw with Preston.

He said: "McCormack is, in my opinion, not fit enough to play. He won't play unless his attitude towards training and missing training improves. If he continually keeps missing training then that's going to be the situation.

"Not in 20 years of management have I gone down this route before. I only ask one thing of them, to turn up. He's decided that the team has picked itself today."

Ross McCormack of Aston Villa is put under pressure from Ronaldo Vieira of Leeds United
Ross McCormack of Aston Villa is put under pressure from Ronaldo Vieira of Leeds United
Asked whether it's an ongoing problem with McCormack, Bruce said: "It's happened more than once."

There have been suggestions that Fulham are interested in taking McCormack back to West London, but Bruce said that there is nothing in place to his knowledge.

"Not that I'm aware of. Unless it's happened in the last two hours," he added.

"It hasn't quite worked for him. We all don't want this situation. That doesn't interest me. There's been too much indiscipline at this club for too long and I won't put up with it."
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: villadelph on January 21, 2017, 06:36:00 PM
woahhhhhhhh
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: LukeJames on January 21, 2017, 06:37:36 PM
Players taking the piss left, right and centre last season, now this c*** doing it this season, Villa is a nice cushty comfortable environment for these fuckers, maybe if he turned up to training once in a while he'd of been able to score that sitter against Wolves last week, absolute c***!
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: TheTimVilla on January 21, 2017, 06:38:06 PM
Yep keeps missing training, not professional, out of contention and out of condition. Bruce trying his best to embarrass and bomb him out.

Surely the club has grounds to sack this clown? Missing training ffs



I'd fine the fuck out of him. If he's not doing his job, how can he expect to get paid? At least the likes of Pointy and GBHutton turn up.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 21, 2017, 06:39:00 PM
Let's be honest....it's not going to work out for him here is it?

He's certainly not helping himself with his conduct either.

If Norwich want him drive him there and get Brady in return.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Tayls_7 on January 21, 2017, 06:40:45 PM
Pudgy wanker.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: CJ on January 21, 2017, 06:41:10 PM
Fuming when I heard this on the way back tonight. Obviously saw what N'Zogbia and Flabby got away with and thought 'fuck it, I'll bank the money and take it easy'. Fuck him off to any mug that will have him at the earliest opportunity.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: frank black on January 21, 2017, 06:41:29 PM
Let's be honest....it's not going to work out for him here is it?

He's certainly not helping himself with his conduct either.

If Norwich want him drive him there and get Brady in return.

Then again going public about the situation is going to have other clubs knocking on the door. We're stuck with this f##ker now.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Glenn Peen on January 21, 2017, 06:42:20 PM

Ross McCormack of Aston Villa is put under pressure from Ronaldo Vieira of Leeds United
Ross McCormack of Aston Villa is put under pressure from Ronaldo Vieira of Leeds United
Asked whether it's an ongoing problem with McCormack, Bruce said: "It's happened more than once."


Interesting chant, that. What's the tune?
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Ian J on January 21, 2017, 06:43:04 PM
Why do these wankers keep ending up here ffs? Fair play to Bruce, at least he's called it soon enough and this will roll on.

 I guess based on this outburst Gabby is putting in a shift at training week in week out.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: SheffieldVillain on January 21, 2017, 06:44:08 PM
Great, another unprofessional twat. It's rarely the younger members of the squad either is it, it's our supposedly senior pros - Gabby, Richards, Lescott, N'Zogbia now McCormack. What chance do the younger players have with that lot as role models?
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on January 21, 2017, 06:44:57 PM
"It hasn't quite worked for him. We all don't want this situation. That doesn't interest me. There's been too much indiscipline at this club for too long and I won't put up with it."

Bruce has flaws but fairplay here. He is right this shit needs to stop.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: adrenachrome on January 21, 2017, 06:45:09 PM
Brum Mail

Quote
Aston Villa: Ross McCormack missed training because his gates were stuck - Steve Bruce

Ross McCormack missed training at Aston Villa this week because the ‘gates were stuck’ outside his house, boss Steve Bruce has revealed.

The Scot came up with the feeble excuse in the build-up to the Preston North End game which saw him axed by the manager.

Bruce said McCormack’s discipline issues had become too frequent and explained how he had no choice but to bin him off for his latest issues.

Asked why he’s been absent from training, Bruce said: “His gates were stuck.”

That was the latest reason anyway.

McCormack, who cost Villa £12million in the summer, has missed training previously this season under Bruce and the manager has demanded more from him.

He has only scored three goals this season but is not close to moving back to Fulham, despite reports suggesting otherwise.

Asked about his future, Bruce said: “We won’t play him until his attitude towards training improves.

“If he continually continues to miss training then he won’t be considered.

“There’s been too much indiscipline at this club.

“I feel like I have to make a stand.

“The team has picked itself because how can I pick him when he hasn’t come to training.

“It has happened more than once.”

Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: eamonn on January 21, 2017, 06:48:57 PM
Can he be fined? He mightn't care about being dropped so hit him in the pocket.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: olaftab on January 21, 2017, 06:50:05 PM
I though we have had enough c***s at this club over the past few seasons without needing to recruit more but it looks as though we have done exactly that.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 21, 2017, 06:50:26 PM
Can he be fined? He mightn't care about being dropped so hit him in the pocket.

Of course he can. I imagine refusing to turn up to your workplace carries a hefty penalty if not being sacked which would be the norm in the real world.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 21, 2017, 06:51:55 PM
And this year's 'it was an accident I didn't mean to send it award' goes to Ross McCormack.  Gates were stuck for fcuk sake.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Nelly on January 21, 2017, 06:51:56 PM
That is so annoying to read. I had really high hopes for McCormack when we signed him.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 21, 2017, 06:53:05 PM
Brum Mail

Quote
Aston Villa: Ross McCormack missed training because his gates were stuck - Steve Bruce

Ross McCormack missed training at Aston Villa this week because the ‘gates were stuck’ outside his house, boss Steve Bruce has revealed.

The Scot came up with the feeble excuse in the build-up to the Preston North End game which saw him axed by the manager.

Bruce said McCormack’s discipline issues had become too frequent and explained how he had no choice but to bin him off for his latest issues.

Asked why he’s been absent from training, Bruce said: “His gates were stuck.”

That was the latest reason anyway.

McCormack, who cost Villa £12million in the summer, has missed training previously this season under Bruce and the manager has demanded more from him.

He has only scored three goals this season but is not close to moving back to Fulham, despite reports suggesting otherwise.

Asked about his future, Bruce said: “We won’t play him until his attitude towards training improves.

“If he continually continues to miss training then he won’t be considered.

“There’s been too much indiscipline at this club.

“I feel like I have to make a stand.

“The team has picked itself because how can I pick him when he hasn’t come to training.

“It has happened more than once.”



gates stuck ? was he between them ? how fat is he getting ?
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Rico on January 21, 2017, 06:56:29 PM
Aston Villa: Ross McCormack missed training because his gates were stuck - Steve Bruce
BY: GREGG EVANS18:11, 21 JAN 2017



Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: mr underhill on January 21, 2017, 06:58:57 PM
Lots of talk about him going back to Fulham
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Risso on January 21, 2017, 07:03:00 PM
Lazy, fat, useless fucker. Fuck the fuck off.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 21, 2017, 07:03:14 PM
Aston Villa: Ross McCormack missed training because his gates were stuck - Steve Bruce
BY: GREGG EVANS18:11, 21 JAN 2017

Gregg Evans can go fuck himself too
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Jon Crofts on January 21, 2017, 07:05:29 PM
Aston Villa: Ross McCormack missed training because his gates were stuck - Steve Bruce
BY: GREGG EVANS18:11, 21 JAN 2017

That's less credible than the dog ate my homework. 




Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: LeeB on January 21, 2017, 07:05:58 PM
Lazy, fat, useless fucker. Fuck the fuck off.

Indeed. He's outdone some of his predecessors, £12m and less than 6 months into the gig and he's already in super-c*** territory.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Rudy65 on January 21, 2017, 07:06:01 PM
And we wondered why he didnt make the Scotland squad

Another who is rich beyond his wildest dreams and couldnt now give a toss. Disgrace

Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: villadelph on January 21, 2017, 07:13:58 PM
How the hell does this keep happening to us?

We're big enough to poach fairly decent talent, but at the same time big enough to convince inbound players that this is their "big move" and its safe to now shift their career into neutral.

Jump the gates you fucker.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Rudy65 on January 21, 2017, 07:16:45 PM
I think Alex Ferguson said years ago, that with player power,  the players mentality was as important as their football ability. Very true. We just sign some right twunts
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Richard E on January 21, 2017, 07:19:03 PM
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/steve-bruce-involved-furious-bust-9669110
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Nunkin1965 on January 21, 2017, 07:22:43 PM
Fair play to Bruce. He's grasping the nettle here and he'll turn this mess of a club around.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 21, 2017, 07:32:46 PM
Lazy, fat, useless fucker. Fuck the fuck off.

Indeed. He's outdone some of his predecessors, £12m and less than 6 months into the gig and he's already in super-c*** territory.

There's something I've never liked about him from day one....not sure what it is but never got him in a villa shirt and his performances have been very underwhelming.

I think it's too easy to say he's not on the same wavelength as teammates...hasn't stopped Kodjia.

I think it also confirms my suspicions now that the British players in the game have the worst attitudes and professionalism and McCormack is again just proving that.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: KevinGage on January 21, 2017, 07:36:24 PM
Fair play to Bruce. He's grasping the nettle here and he'll turn this mess of a club around.

And then he goes and spoils it all by doing something stupid like playing Gabby (who had his annual good game today, by the sounds of it).

What's good for the goose, and all that.

Footballers are quite often immature, testing boundaries as much as they can.  If they see one chancer taking the piss and getting the arm around the shoulder treatment, they'll reason this club isn't serious about promotion. Or even about being a vaguely professional football club.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on January 21, 2017, 07:39:08 PM
Yep keeps missing training, not professional, out of contention and out of condition. Bruce trying his best to embarrass and bomb him out.

Surely the club has grounds to sack this clown? Missing training ffs

Totally

id like to see us sack the fat greedy c*** but we are fucked if we do as that is 12 million down the bog
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Risso on January 21, 2017, 07:39:54 PM
Fair play to Bruce. He's grasping the nettle here and he'll turn this mess of a club around.

And then he goes and spoils it all by doing something stupid like playing Gabby (who had his annual good game today, by the sounds of it).

What's good for the goose, and all that.

Footballers are quite often immature, testing boundaries as much as they can.  If they see one chancer taking the piss and getting the arm around the shoulder treatment, they'll reason this club isn't serious about promotion. Or even about being a vaguely professional football club.

To be fair though, I suppose he can only go on what has happened since he's been here.  If Agblonlahor has worked his nuts off in training and McCormack hasn't, what else can he do?
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: frank black on January 21, 2017, 07:41:20 PM
Fair play to Bruce. He's grasping the nettle here and he'll turn this mess of a club around.

And then he goes and spoils it all by doing something stupid like playing Gabby (who had his annual good game today, by the sounds of it).

What's good for the goose, and all that.

Footballers are quite often immature, testing boundaries as much as they can.  If they see one chancer taking the piss and getting the arm around the shoulder treatment, they'll reason this club isn't serious about promotion. Or even about being a vaguely professional football club.

To be fair Bruce can only judge the players on his time here, during which Gabby has not taken the P""s.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: frank black on January 21, 2017, 07:41:46 PM
Fair play to Bruce. He's grasping the nettle here and he'll turn this mess of a club around.

And then he goes and spoils it all by doing something stupid like playing Gabby (who had his annual good game today, by the sounds of it).

What's good for the goose, and all that.

Footballers are quite often immature, testing boundaries as much as they can.  If they see one chancer taking the piss and getting the arm around the shoulder treatment, they'll reason this club isn't serious about promotion. Or even about being a vaguely professional football club.

To be fair though, I suppose he can only go on what has happened since he's been here.  If Agblonlahor has worked his nuts off in training and McCormack hasn't, what else can he do?

Jinx
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: eamonn on January 21, 2017, 07:46:26 PM
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/steve-bruce-involved-furious-bust-9669110

Blimey, can't imagine RDM or Remi going to those lengths to catch out the sneaky fucker. Tim might have but then probably gone for a drink with him to get him back on side.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: supertom on January 21, 2017, 07:49:24 PM
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/steve-bruce-involved-furious-bust-9669110
As soon as they said Bruce "Drove up and jumped over the fence" my bullshit detector went off big time. That being said, RM's fitness is fucking appalling.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: frank black on January 21, 2017, 07:51:52 PM
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/steve-bruce-involved-furious-bust-9669110
As soon as they said Bruce "Drove up and jumped over the fence" my bullshit detector went off big time. That being said, RM's fitness is fucking appalling.


It's not BS. He said on WM that we would find out what happened later. Sounds like a public shaming and a leak to the press by the club. They want him gone and good riddance.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Jimbo on January 21, 2017, 07:54:05 PM
What a surprise.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: brontebilly on January 21, 2017, 07:54:25 PM
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/steve-bruce-involved-furious-bust-9669110

That's hilarious, Bruce jumping the gate and turning up on his doorstep. Fat f*ck must have shat himself. What a diabolical professional, there was rumours from his Leeds time that he was a piss head but he is taking the piss out of the club to new levels here.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Richard E on January 21, 2017, 07:58:01 PM
Get rid. No more giving players second chances, just get rid.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: supertom on January 21, 2017, 08:01:00 PM
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/steve-bruce-involved-furious-bust-9669110
As soon as they said Bruce "Drove up and jumped over the fence" my bullshit detector went off big time. That being said, RM's fitness is fucking appalling.


It's not BS. He said on WM that we would find out what happened later. Sounds like a public shaming and a leak to the press by the club. They want him gone and good riddance.
The climbing the fence part. I just can't see it. Then again I read further and they said it was 4ft6. I'm still struggling to picture Brucie climbing it, without guffawing with laughter.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: supertom on January 21, 2017, 08:03:13 PM
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/steve-bruce-involved-furious-bust-9669110

That's hilarious, Bruce jumping the gate and turning up on his doorstep. Fat f*ck must have shat himself. What a diabolical professional, there was rumours from his Leeds time that he was a piss head but he is taking the piss out of the club to new levels here.
It's always been levelled at him. You can get away with it if you're delivering. Managers turn a blind eye. Matt Le Tissier wasn't exactly a greek God, but banging in 20 goals a season helped. However, it's something that with every passing year, McCormack will find it harder and harder to scrape by. He's 30 now and his stamina will be shot to shit.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: olaftab on January 21, 2017, 08:04:53 PM
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/steve-bruce-involved-furious-bust-9669110
As soon as they said Bruce "Drove up and jumped over the fence" my bullshit detector went off big time. That being said, RM's fitness is fucking appalling.


It's not BS. He said on WM that we would find out what happened later. Sounds like a public shaming and a leak to the press by the club. They want him gone and good riddance.
The climbing the fence part. I just can't see it. Then again I read further and they said it was 4ft6. I'm still struggling to picture Brucie climbing it, without guffawing with laughter.
However that doest not turn the article into BS.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: VinnieChase84 on January 21, 2017, 08:05:24 PM
Hope to see him rejoin Fulham this week. Get rid. Credit to Bruce! To behave at a time like this week Ross knows we are shirt up top. Bell end.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: supertom on January 21, 2017, 08:06:07 PM
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/steve-bruce-involved-furious-bust-9669110
As soon as they said Bruce "Drove up and jumped over the fence" my bullshit detector went off big time. That being said, RM's fitness is fucking appalling.


It's not BS. He said on WM that we would find out what happened later. Sounds like a public shaming and a leak to the press by the club. They want him gone and good riddance.
The climbing the fence part. I just can't see it. Then again I read further and they said it was 4ft6. I'm still struggling to picture Brucie climbing it, without guffawing with laughter.
However that doest not turn the article into BS.
Well no, the overall gist is plain for everyone to see and Brucies has already gone public about Ross not being fit enough.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on January 21, 2017, 08:06:20 PM
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/steve-bruce-involved-furious-bust-9669110
As soon as they said Bruce "Drove up and jumped over the fence" my bullshit detector went off big time. That being said, RM's fitness is fucking appalling.


It's not BS. He said on WM that we would find out what happened later. Sounds like a public shaming and a leak to the press by the club. They want him gone and good riddance.
The climbing the fence part. I just can't see it. Then again I read further and they said it was 4ft6. I'm still struggling to picture Brucie climbing it, without guffawing with laughter.

Apparently he wont be in on monday as he is ringing around blacksmiths to the straighten out his wrought iron fence which is now only 1ft3 in the middle
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: supertom on January 21, 2017, 08:09:42 PM
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/steve-bruce-involved-furious-bust-9669110
As soon as they said Bruce "Drove up and jumped over the fence" my bullshit detector went off big time. That being said, RM's fitness is fucking appalling.


It's not BS. He said on WM that we would find out what happened later. Sounds like a public shaming and a leak to the press by the club. They want him gone and good riddance.
The climbing the fence part. I just can't see it. Then again I read further and they said it was 4ft6. I'm still struggling to picture Brucie climbing it, without guffawing with laughter.

Apparently he wont be in on monday as he is ringing around blacksmiths to the straighten out his wrought iron fence which is now only 1ft3 in the middle
ha ha. Very good.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: BOB MANSFIELD on January 21, 2017, 08:14:43 PM
I hope we paid for him on the Company American Express card..........then we might be able to claim our money back for non-performance. [like that Southern Rail sth did!]
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Rico on January 21, 2017, 08:24:00 PM
Different times i know, but can you imagine what Ron Saunders would have done with these toss pots at Villa Park. I don't think Bruce has done himself any favours by bringing Gabby back. We need to stop the rot now. Get rid asap for the greater good of the team.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: eamonn on January 21, 2017, 08:30:33 PM
What would we get back for him, £6m-£8m?
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: frank black on January 21, 2017, 08:32:11 PM
What would we get back for him, £6m-£8m?

30 yrs old and shamed for being unfit. We've knocked a few mil of his asking price. The loan to Fulham looks odds on now.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Bren'd on January 21, 2017, 08:32:32 PM
At least we won't have to worry about getting the best out of him now by playing to his strengths because those have long gone. We just need to get back whatever we can now but to be honest I can't see any takers for a fat, lazy waste of space like him.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: BOB MANSFIELD on January 21, 2017, 08:37:16 PM
I think he is on a very short, very slippery slope.........taking our £12m with him as he counts out his £2500 since I started writing this !! Angry face thingy.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on January 21, 2017, 08:40:49 PM
What would we get back for him, £6m-£8m?

30 yrs old and shamed for being unfit. We've knocked a few mil of his asking price. The loan to Fulham looks odds on now.

Im sure i read somewhere fulham were keen on a loan but baulked at his wages
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 21, 2017, 08:46:44 PM
According to Mark Regan McCormack will rejoin Fulham very shortly.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: QuintonVilla on January 21, 2017, 08:52:36 PM
Gabby has been a twat, overweight and shit for years but Bruce loves him.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: SheffieldVillain on January 21, 2017, 08:55:26 PM
Gabby has been a twat, overweight and shit for years but Bruce loves him.

Bruce said he was only going to judge players on what they did since he got to the club. Clearly Gabby has done what he considers enough while McCormack hasn't.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: frank black on January 21, 2017, 09:02:41 PM
Gabby has been a twat, overweight and shit for years but Bruce loves him.

Because he has not been a twat on his watch.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: cdward on January 21, 2017, 09:04:55 PM
Fair play to Bruce, straight out of the Fergie book of management. Caught out big time. If McCormack can't be arsed to jump a 4foot 6 wall to get to work, then he doesn't deserve the chance to play for this great club.
In Bruce we trust.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Iamkmkm on January 21, 2017, 09:10:53 PM
You little fat fuck, should pay us back evrything we spent on him from his own pocket.

People like him and gabby make me puke, earn more in a week than a normal guy earns in year but still they dont give a jot, human vermin!!!
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Richard E on January 21, 2017, 09:11:44 PM
We need to sign players who can lie more convincingly. 'The gates are stuck' was never going to wash.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: BOB MANSFIELD on January 21, 2017, 09:12:05 PM
I had a staff member claim he couldn't get to work in the snow once........so I went and collected him !

Bruce has the RIGHT values for this great club, now I am sure.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 21, 2017, 09:13:28 PM
Gabby has been a twat, overweight and shit for years but Bruce loves him.

He hasn't acted like that under Bruce though and he certainly played well today.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Richard E on January 21, 2017, 09:16:43 PM
I had a staff member claim he couldn't get to work in the snow once........so I went and collected him !

To be fair, it was July at the time so you were right to be sceptical.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Des Little on January 21, 2017, 09:17:25 PM
He should have booked a taxi...to Fulham. The fat prick.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Grande Pablo on January 21, 2017, 09:26:45 PM
If I don't go to work without a valid reason, eventually I'll get the sack.  Maybe I could be held in breach of contract.  Sack & sue, as McC clearly hasn't honoured his.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: claret and blue blood on January 21, 2017, 09:28:03 PM
Gabby played well today and he is getting close to being 100 percent match fit
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Ian J on January 21, 2017, 09:29:49 PM
Gabby played well today and he is getting close to being 100 percent match fit
New contract offer coming up? 😉
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Hoppo on January 21, 2017, 09:34:32 PM
Rumours from Leeds that he liked a gamble and a bit of sniff look odds on then..
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: aj2k77 on January 21, 2017, 09:53:02 PM
Has to be bombed out of the club, no more harbouring losers and wankers and their attitudes around the club. Disgraceful.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: BOB MANSFIELD on January 21, 2017, 09:57:40 PM
What happened to " due diligence " or a bit of snooping, when he was about to be signed.......oh, I forgot ....RDM and Co.
Spend, spend, spend. Buy last years best model.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: frank black on January 21, 2017, 10:00:53 PM
What happened to " due diligence " or a bit of snooping, when he was about to be signed.......oh, I forgot ....RDM and Co.
Spend, spend, spend. Buy last years best model.

I remember Graham Taylor researching the players backgrounds and meeting them to find out what makes them tick. Nowadays we seem more grateful the player actually wants to join.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: BOB MANSFIELD on January 21, 2017, 10:05:29 PM
Yes, I also read/heard all about that sort of " background checking " stuff. Liddypoo and Manure managers of the past were also of the same ilk, I believe.
But now we have got Steve Round..........so, don't let this guy off the hook. He has a VERY well paid and mighty important job to do, ensuring we don't waste any more funds on wastrels like McC.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: robbo1874 on January 21, 2017, 10:36:16 PM
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/steve-bruce-involved-furious-bust-9669110
As soon as they said Bruce "Drove up and jumped over the fence" my bullshit detector went off big time. That being said, RM's fitness is fucking appalling.


It's not BS. He said on WM that we would find out what happened later. Sounds like a public shaming and a leak to the press by the club. They want him gone and good riddance.
The climbing the fence part. I just can't see it. Then again I read further and they said it was 4ft6. I'm still struggling to picture Brucie climbing it, without guffawing with laughter.

Apparently he wont be in on monday as he is ringing around blacksmiths to the straighten out his wrought iron fence which is now only 1ft3 in the middle
ha ha. Very good.
Brilliant! I can just picture him doing it too- what a legend! There's direct quotes from SB in the article too, so has to be reasonably true account.

I'm 100% behind him on this though. These fkrs are on big money, least they can do is turn up and run around for a few hours, supposedly doing something most of them profess to love. There was one former player I read about recently ( I forget who) who said he hated the game and just did it for the money. Most of them say they love it though.

Good on ya Brucie!
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: chrisw1 on January 21, 2017, 11:03:10 PM
What happened to " due diligence " or a bit of snooping, when he was about to be signed.......oh, I forgot ....RDM and Co.
Spend, spend, spend. Buy last years best model.
In fairness when I guy has scored that many goals over a period of time it was a reasonable punt if the manager wanted him, so its harsh having a go at the purchase

With that said, this episode is a fuckng disgrace.  With the money the out of form c*** is on the least he can do is bust a gut week in week out to try to get back on track.  I am so disappointed as I hoped he would come good with a proper midfield around him.  Gutted about this.  The c***.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on January 21, 2017, 11:10:27 PM
Absolute disgrace.

Sickens me we pay him all that money and he can't even turn up for work. Arrogant twat. Never wanted him
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: PeterWithe on January 21, 2017, 11:19:30 PM
No wonder we lost last week, him and Gabby up front. A more feckless pair of fat c***s you would struggle to find.

Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: oldhill_avfc on January 21, 2017, 11:23:23 PM
Does anybody know if players can be sued for breach of contract and consequential losses?
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 22, 2017, 12:16:13 AM
Does anybody know if players can be sued for breach of contract and consequential losses?
Subject to what is in the contract, they can stop paying wages if as in this occasion the player is effectively making himself unavailable.

This guy is an absoloute disgrace and we Have wasted a lot of money because there is very little if any resale value.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: OzVilla on January 22, 2017, 12:23:51 AM
Well. Never wanted him in the first place and just another example of what a total clusterfuck RDM made of this job in 3 months.

Get rid ASAP, I don't care if we make a massive loss, ths kind of bullshit just has to stop.  And they can fuck off those massive parasites Gabby and Richards while they're at it too.  Send the message that should have been sent 12 months ago.

Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: oldhill_avfc on January 22, 2017, 12:24:53 AM
I suspect employment contracts fall into a different legal category, but if the player was the same as a supplier to a business and they failed to supply their contracted good and services then they could be sued for losses.

It might make an interesting test case if one of these players who made themselves 'unavailable' for whatever reason was taken to court and ending up losing more than their wages.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Cliftonville Villain on January 22, 2017, 01:54:07 AM
Just the latest in a long line of lazy, wage collecting c**ts we are absolutely the best in the world at finding. I don't make in a year what this fat useless sorry excuse of a footballer makes in a week. He has shown absolutely nothing in his time here and now this. We are a shambles.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: robbo1874 on January 22, 2017, 03:55:50 AM
What happened to " due diligence " or a bit of snooping, when he was about to be signed.......oh, I forgot ....RDM and Co.
Spend, spend, spend. Buy last years best model.

I remember Graham Taylor researching the players backgrounds and meeting them to find out what makes them tick. Nowadays we seem more grateful the player actually wants to join.
cloughie used to do this aswell apparently. Upon signing a player, he'd ask them what their vice was - birds, booze, or horses. He'd then know what to look for so he could keep them on the right track. Bruce has played a blinder here. McCormack hasn't really performed and if he's skipping training and not fit, SB has every right to call him out publicly. Hopefully the rest of them put a few extra yards in at BH now, so they can see out the last 20 mins in matches.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: mr underhill on January 22, 2017, 04:49:07 AM
meanwhile we are saddled with a £12m disinterested, lazy, arrogant, donkey. The reason we are not going to even make the play offs this season is because we appointed the wrong management team yet again who were given license to raid the players box without a thought as to how to build a motivated, integrated squad. Next season is sit or bust.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: villadelph on January 22, 2017, 05:10:59 AM
hi Ross, bye Ross.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Le Lapin on January 22, 2017, 07:12:23 AM
Does anybody know if players can be sued for breach of contract and consequential losses?

If we didn't sue Gabby after all he's done I don't think we can sue Ross. Out the door with guy. A huge waste.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on January 22, 2017, 08:01:45 AM
https://twitter.com/SupportAVFC/status/822945893473284096?s=08
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: clash city rocker on January 22, 2017, 08:07:07 AM
I think if Donald Trump was appointed as head of HR at villa park players might think twice about taking the piss. Professional  footballer my arse. No respect for the club, no respect for others and obviously no self respect. A typical roll model for spoilt brats.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: oldhill_avfc on January 22, 2017, 08:16:09 AM
Does anybody know if players can be sued for breach of contract and consequential losses?

If we didn't sue Gabby after all he's done I don't think we can sue Ross. Out the door with guy. A huge waste.

It was to a degree a hypothetical thought.

From what I understand Gabby turned up for training- even with the kids.

Also worth bearing in mind we didn't pay £12m for gabby 6 months before.  McCormack's actions will have a massive impact on his resale value and therefore there are serious financial losses.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: manic-road on January 22, 2017, 08:17:56 AM
We need to get shot of Ross ASAP. Another player who arrives for his last big pay day before retiring and taking the piss out of the club. Can't remember if I have seen a slower player in a Villa shirt at first team level.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: villabear on January 22, 2017, 08:25:40 AM
Dr Tony tweeting: "Have talked to Ross.It's hard to go through the difficulty time in personal life but we all have2take whatever 2become a real MAN!Stand up!"

This led to two types of reply. One being about how he's going through a divorce and the club should be looking after him at this hard time of his life to the other being him been called out as a lazy, slow,  overpaid ****.

One of the best replies about him was: "he's fat, he's small, he can't jump over a wall Ross Mac, Ross Mac"
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: frank black on January 22, 2017, 08:26:07 AM
I hope Ross stews on this, takes it to heart and knuckles down. Yes he's on whatever grand a week and wants for nothing. But he will have an all too short career to look back on soon enough and I hope he can look back with pride.

I really hope he learns from this rather than festering and stinking the place out.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Villafirst on January 22, 2017, 08:38:42 AM
Sounds like his head isn't right. Something going on more than the faulty gate...
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: villabear on January 22, 2017, 08:41:58 AM
Sounds like his head isn't right. Something going on more than the faulty gate...

His eyebrows aren't right I know that
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Jimbo on January 22, 2017, 08:46:31 AM
His stomach definitely isn't right.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Le Lapin on January 22, 2017, 08:53:54 AM
Does anybody know if players can be sued for breach of contract and consequential losses?

If we didn't sue Gabby after all he's done I don't think we can sue Ross. Out the door with guy. A huge waste.

It was to a degree a hypothetical thought.

From what I understand Gabby turned up for training- even with the kids.

Also worth bearing in mind we didn't pay £12m for gabby 6 months before.  McCormack's actions will have a massive impact on his resale value and therefore there are serious financial losses.

I know it was hypothetical. And you are absolutely right about this guy just arriving and starting to misbehave. But it would be hyprocritical of the club to nail McCormack and not to have done the same to Gabby. Gabby was on a bumper 60grand a week contract. And for that you need to meet a certain standard of behaviour and fitness level as one of the most senior "pros" at the club. Gabby has not met that standard for a long time. As for resale, we couldn't give the guy away. McCormack needs to sort himself out.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: brian green on January 22, 2017, 08:58:45 AM
At some time some club will have the guts to sue a player for breach of contract.  Such a court case would have the same seismic effect on the game as the Bosman case did.  As always the clubs hide behind each other, hoping somebody else will pick up the legal shit shovel.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: SashasGrandad on January 22, 2017, 09:07:31 AM
Reminds me of a song that boys scouts sing around a camp fire.
Oh you'll never get to heaven (or in McCormack's case training) which invited new ideas/excuses for each verse.

Oh you'll never get to heaven -

"in an old ford car"   cos an old ford car won't get that far
(McCormack's Porsche/BMW/Lamburghini/Lotus still in garage as it is snowing)

"in a biscuit tin"      cos a biscuit tin got biscuits in
(Ross obviously eaten them all)

"on roller skates"    cos you'll roll right past those pearly gates
(can't roll if you can't get the gates open!)

"in a platex bra"    cos a platex bra won't stretch that far
(maybe he's been caught wearing his wife's undies?)

"with a fat girl guide"   cos those pearly gates just ain't that wide
(I think this s probably the most likely reason)

Oh we'll never get promoted with overpaid wankers,
But can't think of an amusing second line.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Clark W Griswold on January 22, 2017, 09:18:56 AM
If he's going through a divorce it might explain a lot about his time at the Villa so far, although it doesn't really excuse it. It needs to be considered by the club though especially if he's got no history of unprofessional behaviour at other clubs.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: OzVilla on January 22, 2017, 09:30:38 AM
How many on here have gone through a divorce, had financial worries and also needed to hold a job down and not let it cause them to lose it.

I'm sorry he's getting a divorce but he just can't behave this way. It's not like he was to do a 60 hour week or night shifts at the same time to make ends meet.

Unacceptable.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: cdward on January 22, 2017, 09:38:30 AM
If he is going through personal problems, the right thing to do is speak to your boss and explain what you are going through. By not turning up to work,  on the back of flimsy excuses is not going to help the situation.
#Gategate
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Jimbo on January 22, 2017, 09:39:09 AM
A lot of blokes would choose to go out, train, get fit and run around with a ball for a few hours each day to forget their divorce. It's a shit excuse. Dross has got Villaitis. He's incurably sick and needs sending to an island, like a leper colony, along with Gabby, Stephen Ireland, CNZ, Lescott, etc. Bosko Balaban will be there in a white suit to welcome them.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: brian green on January 22, 2017, 09:42:09 AM
If he has shown the same level of respect for his wife as he has for his employers I am not surprised he is getting divorced.  Ask yourself, if you were a woman and your husband refused to go to work because the front gates were stuck what would your reaction be?
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Villan For Life on January 22, 2017, 09:47:41 AM
How many on here have gone through a divorce, had financial worries and also needed to hold a job down and not let it cause them to lose it.

I'm sorry he's getting a divorce but he just can't behave this way. It's not like he was to do a 60 hour week or night shifts at the same time to make ends meet.

Unacceptable.

You forget that he's a pampered professional footballer who is as far removed from reality as I am from winning an Oscar.

Still unacceptable though.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 22, 2017, 09:48:58 AM
No fukin excuse, the one thing that keeps you sane through adversity is sport and work, unless of course you decide to use it as an excuse to act like a xxxx.
You do not pretend that your gates have got stuck, pathetic.
Sure let the club know that you are going through a tough time and I am sure SB would try and help, you have to start with being honest though.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: brian green on January 22, 2017, 09:49:32 AM
He will always have a future in the entertainment industry.  As an understudy for Gregor Fisher in Rab C Nesbitt.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: olaftab on January 22, 2017, 10:03:46 AM
If he has shown the same level of respect for his wife as he has for his employers I am not surprised he is getting divorced.  Ask yourself, if you were a woman and your husband refused to go to work because the front gates were stuck what would your reaction be?
I would tell him to stop being a ****  And consider  filing for divorcee.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: brian green on January 22, 2017, 10:07:42 AM
Or filing a bit off the gate catch. Pillock.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: mr underhill on January 22, 2017, 10:14:40 AM
This revelation has killed his career though and means we are stuck with him for years. Why would any club come in for him now knowing that he has such pathetic responses to every day emotional tribulations? We might have been better served keeping this under wraps. If he ever comes out in front of the Holme End again' he's going to be pilloried
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 22, 2017, 10:15:11 AM
If he is getting divorced it's very quick.  He only got married last June to a former model.  And having seen her photo I'd be pretty down if I was losing her.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: OzVilla on January 22, 2017, 10:16:21 AM
Maybe he just wants out and is trying to lower his fee to get other clubs in for him.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Clampy on January 22, 2017, 10:18:24 AM
I presume divorce effects people in different ways and it's obviously knocked him about. Missing training is no way to go about it though. If he wants a move, ask for one. If his head is not right, ask for a break to sort things out. Hard to say though really without knowing the in's and out's. Who knows after all this, he may knuckle down and become a better player for it.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 22, 2017, 10:18:58 AM
I wonder what the ex model saw in the £60 grand a week earning Ross Mcgateslocked.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: LeeB on January 22, 2017, 10:26:35 AM
I think if Donald Trump was appointed as head of HR at villa park players might think twice about taking the piss. Professional  footballer my arse. No respect for the club, no respect for others and obviously no self respect. A typical roll model for spoilt brats.


If that came to pass, they'd probably be forced to piss on him.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: brian green on January 22, 2017, 10:32:10 AM
Using Gabby as a bellwether of reforming fat, lazy, selfish tossers, yesterday after half a season of rehabilitation he still looked 20lbs overweight and was slower than Grealish so Jumpin' Ross may well be some way down the road.  Last six months of his contract at a guess.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: in exile on January 22, 2017, 10:36:36 AM
..and to think I rated him and wanted him to get a fair chance at Villa.
He can do one
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on January 22, 2017, 10:40:34 AM
If I did this I'd be fired. Frustrating how players have all the power
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: TopDeck113 on January 22, 2017, 10:49:06 AM
Ask yourself, if you were a woman and your husband refused to go to work because the front gates were stuck what would your reaction be?

Close off the access to other entrances?
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Tony Erdington on January 22, 2017, 10:54:14 AM
He's a very naughty boy, but then when your Donald Trump or an English professional footballer who the fuck can influence your life? especially when your at the twilight end of your career , He knows he'll get another club, and I think he aint even bothered about that.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on January 22, 2017, 10:55:19 AM
Does anybody know if players can be sued for breach of contract and consequential losses?

If we didn't sue Gabby after all he's done I don't think we can sue Ross. Out the door with guy. A huge waste.

It was to a degree a hypothetical thought.

From what I understand Gabby turned up for training- even with the kids.


What, Gabby used to bring his kids to training?

No wonder they had to extend Bodymoor.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Bren'd on January 22, 2017, 11:15:13 AM
The gates are stuck is such a pathetic excuse. Just get a taxi like anybody else would do. And, while you've got the phone in your hand arrange to have your gates sorted.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: ez on January 22, 2017, 11:16:41 AM
If this is all true it means we've got another unsellable striker at the club.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 22, 2017, 11:24:56 AM
Using Gabby as a bellwether of reforming fat, lazy, selfish tossers, yesterday after half a season of rehabilitation he still looked 20lbs overweight and was slower than Grealish so Jumpin' Ross may well be some way down the road.  Last six months of his contract at a guess.

Agbonlahor doesn't look remotely overweight, and in all my time watching Villa I've never seen Grealish run as fast as Gabby did yesterday especially in that incident second half when he was bombing down the right and Grealish failed to pick him out on the break which should have resulted in a goal. 
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: pbavfckuwait on January 22, 2017, 11:28:38 AM
That's part of the problem EZ, Bruce coming out in this way has now left us with a depreciating asset, I can understand Bruce doing what he has done, as he mentions in his statement, this is not the first time he has missed training since being here, but what he is worth to the club now god only knows, the one thing I would not do, is loan him back to Fulham, there the tossers who made 12 million to start with.
I swear there is something in the water at Bodymoor Heath.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: cdbullyweefan on January 22, 2017, 11:32:10 AM
We shouldn't be loaning him, he's getting older and his value is only going to sink further. Get him sold, or get him to apologise for Gategate, work hard in training and eventually work his way back into contention.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 22, 2017, 11:32:41 AM
That's part of the problem EZ, Bruce coming out in this way has now left us with a depreciating asset, I can understand Bruce doing what he has done, as he mentions in his statement, this is not the first time he has missed training since being here, but what he is worth to the club now god only knows, the one thing I would not do, is loan him back to Fulham, there the tossers who made 12 million to start with.
I swear there is something in the water at Bodymoor Heath.

Shit like this goes on at all clubs from time to time. Let's not go down the route that it's just a Villa problem. From what I've been reading McCormack has personal problems. I'd rather we helped him out and then reap the benefits on the pitch rather than just bombing him out and/or making him another scapegoat for the fans to hate like we've done with Agbonlahor.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: olaftab on January 22, 2017, 11:35:18 AM
We shouldn't be loaning him, he's getting older and his value is only going to sink further. Get him sold, or get him to apologise for Gategate, work hard in training and eventually work his way back into contention.
First step is move him into a house without a gate.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: pbavfckuwait on January 22, 2017, 11:42:57 AM
Yes it goes on at every club, but we seem to have more than our fair share, Ireland, Lescott, Gabbby, CNZ, Richards and that's without thinking to hard.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: brian green on January 22, 2017, 11:43:38 AM
Yes, let's be nice to him. What's £12 million quid after all. Small change to a club like Aston Villa.  Send him on holiday.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: cdbullyweefan on January 22, 2017, 11:45:17 AM
Who's said "be nice to him"?
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 22, 2017, 11:45:28 AM
Yes, let's be nice to him. What's £12 million quid after all. Small change to a club like Aston Villa.  Send him on holiday.

Yeah let's just give up on a £12m investment. Send him on holiday.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: achilles on January 22, 2017, 11:47:30 AM
Yes, let's be nice to him. What's £12 million quid after all. Small change to a club like Aston Villa.  Send him on holiday.

Gabby can help him out with that one!
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Chris Jameson on January 22, 2017, 11:49:04 AM
Yes, let's be nice to him. What's £12 million quid after all. Small change to a club like Aston Villa.  Send him on holiday.

Yeah let's just give up on a £12m investment. Send him on holiday.

He thinks he's on one already judging by his performances.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Old Kodjia on January 22, 2017, 11:52:37 AM
Could be the best scenario all round-A way out for all parties.

I think we have to forget about £12 million though.  I think we'd struggle for £8 million now & accept that we have to take £4 million on the chin.  Maybe Noewich will feel like splashing some of that Brady money?
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: clash city rocker on January 22, 2017, 12:09:51 PM
For all this poor publicity for him it wouldn't stop other clubs signing him. Look at lots of players in recent years who you wouldn't touch with a bargepole , but they have had no problems finding new clubs.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: brian green on January 22, 2017, 12:16:56 PM
I interpreted SH's view that we should "help him out" as being nice to him.  Perhaps I got it wrong.  All I know a that in my job if I screwed up, nobody would be cutting me any slack, nor would I expect it.  Why should footballers be treated any differently?
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Old Kodjia on January 22, 2017, 12:17:04 PM
For all this poor publicity for him it wouldn't stop other clubs signing him. Look at lots of players in recent years who you wouldn't touch with a bargepole , but they have had no problems finding new clubs.

Yes, there will be a long line of clubs interested-Just not at £12 million.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: pbavfckuwait on January 22, 2017, 12:19:09 PM
Yes, plenty to take him off our hands but at a very reduced price and knowing how modern day football is, we would probably have to pay him some loyalty bonus for him to go.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: cdbullyweefan on January 22, 2017, 12:33:34 PM
Unless he hands in a transfer request, which he'd be stupid to do, he'd get loyalty bonus.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: achilles on January 22, 2017, 12:54:57 PM
Loyalty for what, pissing on us?
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Mister E on January 22, 2017, 01:00:24 PM
Using Gabby as a bellwether of reforming fat, lazy, selfish tossers, yesterday after half a season of rehabilitation he still looked 20lbs overweight and was slower than Grealish so Jumpin' Ross may well be some way down the road.  Last six months of his contract at a guess.

Agbonlahor doesn't look remotely overweight, and in all my time watching Villa I've never seen Grealish run as fast as Gabby did yesterday especially in that incident second half when he was bombing down the right and Grealish failed to pick him out on the break which should have resulted in a goal. 
Agreed, Gabby actually looked like an athlete yesterday.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 22, 2017, 01:39:33 PM
As Roy Keane once said.  'Dat man doesn't even know the meaning of the word loyalty.'
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: IFWaters on January 22, 2017, 01:42:49 PM
why dont we just fire him for gross misconduct. Dont pay him a single penny more.

let the ****er try to take us to Court.

Forget the £12 million, its gone, but I for one would applaud an owner who stood up to these greedy cretins and told him he wasnt fit to wear the shirt and he would never get a penny out of us.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: FatSam on January 22, 2017, 01:44:06 PM
It doesn't give me any satisfaction to say that this was the signing I was most worried about from the summer. It seemed at the time like the ultimate panic buy - £12m for a 30 year old with little resale value. I'm sceptical about the idea of 'buying goals'. It looks increasingly like their is a reason why he has bobbed around at this level of the game, without being part of a successful team, or being picked-up by a premier league club.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 22, 2017, 01:48:22 PM
I think if Donald Trump was appointed as head of HR at villa park players might think twice about taking the piss. Professional  footballer my arse. No respect for the club, no respect for others and obviously no self respect. A typical roll model for spoilt brats.

Donald Trump is lying fucking dickhead who enjoys taking the piss.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: four fornicholl on January 22, 2017, 01:49:43 PM
All I can add to this discussion is that if depression is the cause,it can become an all consuming condition.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: olaftab on January 22, 2017, 01:57:17 PM
Let's not go down that route again and yes I know It must be depressing when 5 meter wide wrought iron electrified gates on your property fail to work.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: paul_e on January 22, 2017, 02:00:56 PM
It doesn't give me any satisfaction to say that this was the signing I was most worried about from the summer. It seemed at the time like the ultimate panic buy - £12m for a 30 year old with little resale value. I'm sceptical about the idea of 'buying goals'. It looks increasingly like their is a reason why he has bobbed around at this level of the game, without being part of a successful team, or being picked-up by a premier league club.

I gave a very similar argument in the Summer, if you score loads at this level but no one is interested from a bigger league it suggests a limitation that might not be obvious. A late developer like Kodjia who is clearly on the way up is fine but RM never felt right.  I have the same concerns with Rhodes and i hope we don't go for him.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Tayls_7 on January 22, 2017, 02:02:48 PM
All I can add to this discussion is that if depression is the cause,it can become an all consuming condition.

I'd be feeling depressed if I'd recently fleeced a struggling club into shelling out a multi million pound contract when I felt in no position to repay a fraction of the outlay in expected performances.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 22, 2017, 02:12:08 PM
why dont we just fire him for gross misconduct. Dont pay him a single penny more.

let the ****er try to take us to Court.

Forget the £12 million, its gone, but I for one would applaud an owner who stood up to these greedy cretins and told him he wasnt fit to wear the shirt and he would never get a penny out of us.

Missing work isn't gross misconduct though, is it?
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 22, 2017, 02:12:50 PM
All I can add to this discussion is that if depression is the cause,it can become an all consuming condition.

I'd be feeling depressed if I'd recently fleeced a struggling club into shelling out a multi million pound contract when I felt in no position to repay a fraction of the outlay in expected performances.

As I said elsewhere, without knowing all the facts, some of the rhetoric around this subject seems a bit John Gregory to me.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Richard E on January 22, 2017, 02:13:45 PM
why dont we just fire him for gross misconduct. Dont pay him a single penny more.

let the ****er try to take us to Court.

Forget the £12 million, its gone, but I for one would applaud an owner who stood up to these greedy cretins and told him he wasnt fit to wear the shirt and he would never get a penny out of us.

Missing work isn't gross misconduct though, is it?

Unauthorised absence and/or giving a false reason for missing work could be,yes.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: LeeB on January 22, 2017, 02:13:57 PM
why dont we just fire him for gross misconduct. Dont pay him a single penny more.

let the ****er try to take us to Court.

Forget the £12 million, its gone, but I for one would applaud an owner who stood up to these greedy cretins and told him he wasnt fit to wear the shirt and he would never get a penny out of us.

Missing work isn't gross misconduct though, is it?

Missing that fucking chance last week would be, were I the benevolent socialist dictator that the world needs right now.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: cdbullyweefan on January 22, 2017, 02:17:54 PM
Loyalty for what, pissing on us?

I think you get a loyalty bonus if you don't hand in a transfer request. Performance, or lack thereof, doesn't come into it.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 22, 2017, 02:18:12 PM
why dont we just fire him for gross misconduct. Dont pay him a single penny more.

let the ****er try to take us to Court.

Forget the £12 million, its gone, but I for one would applaud an owner who stood up to these greedy cretins and told him he wasnt fit to wear the shirt and he would never get a penny out of us.

Missing work isn't gross misconduct though, is it?

Unauthorised absence and/or giving a false reason for missing work could be,yes.

Could it? First I've heard of it. I always thought gross misconduct would include violence, intoxication, harassment, bullying, drug taking etc. Giving a poxy excuse not to turn up to work hardly qualifies gross misconduct unless we're talking about working conditions back in the Victorian age.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Richard E on January 22, 2017, 02:20:24 PM
What would I know? I just advise people on employment law for a living.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: chrisw1 on January 22, 2017, 02:24:28 PM
why dont we just fire him for gross misconduct. Dont pay him a single penny more.

let the ****er try to take us to Court.

Forget the £12 million, its gone, but I for one would applaud an owner who stood up to these greedy cretins and told him he wasnt fit to wear the shirt and he would never get a penny out of us.
How moronic is that?  Forget the 12m just so we don't need to pay him any more?  We could recoup a big part of that right now or maybe rehabilitate him and get more in the summer or even some return on the field.  What sort of strategy is writing off 12m?
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Bren'd on January 22, 2017, 02:28:58 PM
What would I know? I just advise people on employment law for a living.

He ha. Experts are so 2015.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Old Kodjia on January 22, 2017, 02:29:39 PM
What would I know? I just advise people on employment law for a living.

Are these people actually employees in any case?  I always thought that they were either self employed or directors of their own companies.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: chrisw1 on January 22, 2017, 02:31:15 PM
And that is not defending him - I am furious with him.  But you still need to be rational with the way you deal with it to get the best outcome for both parties

Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Old Kodjia on January 22, 2017, 02:37:55 PM
And that is not defending him - I am furious with him.  But you still need to be rational with the way you deal with it to get the best outcome for both parties

No-You are absolutely correct.  This scenario is entirely different to say the Lescott incident, where we couldn't have given him away if we tried.

If it was £12 involved then maybe we could walk away from it but to suggest we walk away from a £12 million investment, is not realistic, not even if you're Man City.  We have to do what is best for AVFC and he is still an asset, even if he only gets back to being an impact player from the bench.

Personally, I think that he's got eyes on a move and I'm keeping my fingers crossed that we can shift him between now & the 31st.  It would be the best scenario for both parties (and of course the buying club who would pay far less for him than £12 million). 
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: The Edge on January 22, 2017, 02:39:48 PM
So if the gates fail on your mansion your trapped are you? I wonder if there is a seperate gate for pedestrians, if not why not?
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: chrisw1 on January 22, 2017, 02:43:14 PM
So if the gates fail on your mansion your trapped are you? I wonder if there is a seperate gate for pedestrians, if not why not?
I don't think anyone seriously thinks he couldn't get out the house.  He just decided he didn't want to.  That's why Bruce is so angry.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: The Edge on January 22, 2017, 02:46:44 PM
Wrong thread I know but Burnleys right back looks decent. Kind of player we could do with.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 22, 2017, 02:51:10 PM
What would I know? I just advise people on employment law for a living.

Christ, I hope you never advise the bosses in my workplace. I've heard of people being sacked for being drunk, violent, bullying etc, but never turning up late.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: dave shelley on January 22, 2017, 02:56:08 PM
You should have worked at the last place I worked at in England then.  Regular occurances as written in the company handbook.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Richard E on January 22, 2017, 02:56:30 PM
Being late isn't gross misconduct. Choosing not to turn up at all and/or lying about where you are could well be.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: chrisw1 on January 22, 2017, 02:58:36 PM
Whatever.  It's irrelevant as we hardly want to sack a 12m asset, so move on.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: KevinGage on January 22, 2017, 03:02:44 PM
If we did sack him, there might either be insurance compo or we could sue him.

As we've seen with Mutu at Chelsea and Pulis at Palace, players and managers don't always get their own way.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 22, 2017, 03:05:06 PM
If we did sack him, there might either be insurance compo or we could sue him.

As we've seen with Mutu at Chelsea and Pulis at Palace, players and managers don't always get their own way.

I think that took years to sort out, and didn't it involve him taking drugs? I'd say it'd be a lot easier to prove gross misconduct than it would be for not turning up to work.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Richard E on January 22, 2017, 03:06:46 PM
Whatever.  It's irrelevant as we hardly want to sack a 12m asset, so move on.

No we won't, but on the basis that I can't see how his bridges are anything other than irretrievably burnt with Bruce it would be best for all concerned if he went sooner rather than later even if it means we have to take some hit on transfer fees. And I appreciate that's easy for me to say when it's not my money.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 22, 2017, 03:13:14 PM
Making this public may also put off other clubs buying him from us.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Chris Smith on January 22, 2017, 03:13:40 PM
So if the gates fail on your mansion your trapped are you? I wonder if there is a seperate gate for pedestrians, if not why not?

I assume his excuse was that he couldn't get his car out so could not drive into work. I have every sympathy as there are clearly no alternative ways to travel
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: brian green on January 22, 2017, 03:25:30 PM
Or, Chris, they could have trained in his garden.  Amavi would have excelled at jumping.  The mountain should have gone to Mohammed.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: mr underhill on January 22, 2017, 03:26:00 PM
the problem was, his helicopter was  in the shop for repairs at the time, so there was literally no way out for the poor lamb.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Holtemeister on January 22, 2017, 03:26:00 PM
This isnt about one session he missed cause his gates jammed ... Bruce wouldnt be so pissed of if it were and he wouldnt become an unfit lardarse by missing a five a side session and some star jumps.

This is a recurring issue thats forced Bruce to go public ... if it had of been he would have said he had tweaked a fetlock or something
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 22, 2017, 03:44:12 PM
So if the gates fail on your mansion your trapped are you? I wonder if there is a seperate gate for pedestrians, if not why not?

I assume his excuse was that he couldn't get his car out so could not drive into work. I have every sympathy as there are clearly no alternative ways to travel

Imagine McCormack standing waiting for the number 6 in his training gear. Now that would've been funny.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: footyskillz on January 22, 2017, 03:45:57 PM
Also it's gone public and outed by Bruce. We often talk of Bruce honesty and he's respected in game. McCormack has perhaps been a bit big time especially with his move to villa thinking he's ballon d'or levels but hasnt actually proved it on the pitch. For Bruce to publicly state things shows severity.  Especially he hasn't been light hearted about it. As long as a striker or 2 is brought in then he can move on..
Otherwise he 'll have to be put in a training regime .

Sacking him is extreme unless circumstance deemed gross misconduct and was in breach of contract. 

If McCormack has struggles and personal problems  that are over whelming - something that hasn't been stated then  Bruce and xia would not be inhumane to treat him in that way and he would be given leave and break from work as a footballer.

I don't like reading hearing or speculation on not judging mccormack or speculating if there are any issues. 

The very good  reason is trusting Bruce and Xia and Aston villa football club that they would look after players and not publicly out them unless deemed necessary. 

Maybe this  kick up will give him challenge.  He likes to be the leader and boss but he must respect Bruce and his profession.



Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Gareth on January 22, 2017, 03:49:34 PM
Bruce wouldn't be stupid enough to call out McCormack if he thought there was any danger this was depression not just petulance or disrespect.

If he is desperate to go then the ball is in the clubs court, tell his agent there is a deadline for the deal to be done & set a fee-if it's not done by that deadline he stays put.

It'll be the usual suspects sniffing, Fulham/Leeds/Norwich and maybe Sheff Wed-if Leeds come knocking & we are prepared to deal with their box of frogs ownership then maybe look at Charlie Taylor as part of the deal as we will need another left back sooner or later.

Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 22, 2017, 03:50:55 PM
So if the gates fail on your mansion your trapped are you? I wonder if there is a seperate gate for pedestrians, if not why not?

I assume his excuse was that he couldn't get his car out so could not drive into work. I have every sympathy as there are clearly no alternative ways to travel


I am pretty sure electric gates have a manual override key, so he needs another excuse
 me thinks

Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: KRS on January 22, 2017, 03:54:00 PM
Making this public may also put off other clubs buying him from us.
If the Baggies can still get £10m for Berahino with all the shite he had done and with only a few months left on his contract, then there is a very good chance that a club would take Fat Ross off our hands.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: footyskillz on January 22, 2017, 04:01:22 PM
Making this public may also put off other clubs buying him from us.
If the Baggies can still get £10m for Berahino with all the shite he had done and with only a few months left on his contract, then there is a very good chance that a club would take Fat Ross off our hands.

Joey Barton
Diego Paget
Diego Costa
Ched Evans

Someone will always be interested
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: FatSam on January 22, 2017, 04:18:26 PM
I have the same concerns with Rhodes and i hope we don't go for him.
Agreed.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: eamonn on January 22, 2017, 04:19:21 PM
Berahino is the best part of a decade younger though.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: passport1 on January 22, 2017, 04:26:06 PM
Using Gabby as a bellwether of reforming fat, lazy, selfish tossers, yesterday after half a season of rehabilitation he still looked 20lbs overweight and was slower than Grealish so Jumpin' Ross may well be some way down the road.  Last six months of his contract at a guess.

Agbonlahor doesn't look remotely overweight, and in all my time watching Villa I've never seen Grealish run as fast as Gabby did yesterday especially in that incident second half when he was bombing down the right and Grealish failed to pick him out on the break which should have resulted in a goal. 

Just the usual bandwagon that you get on the internet. I do wonder what some people see when watching football.

A blind man with a white stick would have seen that Gabby played well yesterday.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Can Gana Be Bettered!?!? on January 22, 2017, 04:31:04 PM
Using Gabby as a bellwether of reforming fat, lazy, selfish tossers, yesterday after half a season of rehabilitation he still looked 20lbs overweight and was slower than Grealish so Jumpin' Ross may well be some way down the road.  Last six months of his contract at a guess.

Agbonlahor doesn't look remotely overweight, and in all my time watching Villa I've never seen Grealish run as fast as Gabby did yesterday especially in that incident second half when he was bombing down the right and Grealish failed to pick him out on the break which should have resulted in a goal. 

Just the usual bandwagon that you get on the internet. I do wonder what some people see when watching football.

A blind man with a white stick would have seen that Gabby played well yesterday.

Whilst he ran around a bit yesterday and got stuck in, after all he's done, he should not be at our club, let along starting.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: brian green on January 22, 2017, 04:49:53 PM
When I saw Gabby playing yesterday I saw a player who was still overweight and still slower than he should be.  He had a fair game but was in a Villa team that threw away a two goal lead.  At his age there is no reason whatsoever that he should not be as light and as fast as he used to be.  John Regis won an Olympic sprint medal two years older than Gabby.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Villafirst on January 22, 2017, 04:52:06 PM
McCormack returning to Fulham in 'shock transfer' according to BBC WM - Mark Regan??
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: paul_e on January 22, 2017, 04:53:47 PM
Using Gabby as a bellwether of reforming fat, lazy, selfish tossers, yesterday after half a season of rehabilitation he still looked 20lbs overweight and was slower than Grealish so Jumpin' Ross may well be some way down the road.  Last six months of his contract at a guess.

Agbonlahor doesn't look remotely overweight, and in all my time watching Villa I've never seen Grealish run as fast as Gabby did yesterday especially in that incident second half when he was bombing down the right and Grealish failed to pick him out on the break which should have resulted in a goal. 

Just the usual bandwagon that you get on the internet. I do wonder what some people see when watching football.

A blind man with a white stick would have seen that Gabby played well yesterday.

Gabby performed above the very low expectations we have yesterday, that doesn't mean he played well, it just means he did the minimum you'd expect from a player who has played in the top flight for a decade.  I'll personally hold back on praising him until he goes on a run of 10 games where he runs teams ragged and adds 5-6 goals as well.  That's what he should be capable of providing at this level and he has no one but himself to blame for the fact that he's nowhere near it.  5-6 years ago Gabby was at a point where he could develop his consistency and work at his game to become a top premier league striker or he could coast and score the odd goal here and there.  He picked the latter and as a club we should've identified that and fucked him off years ago.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 22, 2017, 04:55:55 PM
Bruce wouldn't be stupid enough to call out McCormack if he thought there was any danger this was depression not just petulance or disrespect.

My thoughts exactly. Bruce has the experience to know how to deal with these type of issues.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 22, 2017, 04:59:29 PM
Using Gabby as a bellwether of reforming fat, lazy, selfish tossers, yesterday after half a season of rehabilitation he still looked 20lbs overweight and was slower than Grealish so Jumpin' Ross may well be some way down the road.  Last six months of his contract at a guess.

Agbonlahor doesn't look remotely overweight, and in all my time watching Villa I've never seen Grealish run as fast as Gabby did yesterday especially in that incident second half when he was bombing down the right and Grealish failed to pick him out on the break which should have resulted in a goal. 

Just the usual bandwagon that you get on the internet. I do wonder what some people see when watching football.

A blind man with a white stick would have seen that Gabby played well yesterday.

Gabby performed above the very low expectations we have yesterday, that doesn't mean he played well, it just means he did the minimum you'd expect from a player who has played in the top flight for a decade.  I'll personally hold back on praising him until he goes on a run of 10 games where he runs teams ragged and adds 5-6 goals as well.  That's what he should be capable of providing at this level and he has no one but himself to blame for the fact that he's nowhere near it.  5-6 years ago Gabby was at a point where he could develop his consistency and work at his game to become a top premier league striker or he could coast and score the odd goal here and there.  He picked the latter and as a club we should've identified that and fucked him off years ago.

Nonsense. He played well yesterday and that's that. He can't change the past but he can change the future. He's knuckled down and given his very best lately and you can't ask for more then that.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: LukeJames on January 22, 2017, 05:05:20 PM
Its not nonsense, its bang on, since he came back into the side he's looked as half arsed as he has for the past half a decade, he had a good game yesterday? Its about time.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: paul_e on January 22, 2017, 05:07:08 PM
He has no future because of his past, he might put in the odd performance where he's a nuisance for an hour but he'll never score more than a handful of goals a season again because of his choices.  I agree you can't change the past but you also can't dismiss it as unimportant or you just make the same mistakes.  Last time he put a run of acceptable performances together Lambert gave him a 4 year contract and he disappeared for 2 1/2 years.  It's going to take a lot more than a game like yesterday to make me think he's doing anything other than taking up a space in the squad that he doesn't deserve.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 22, 2017, 05:12:16 PM
Bruce clearly rates him else he wouldn't be in the team, so he clearly has got a future at the club wether you like it or not. How long that future is, is up to Gabby presumably.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: brian green on January 22, 2017, 05:15:54 PM
Exactly.  If Gabby blocks the route into the first team to a younger, more committed, more dependable player than he is, it is a double whammy.  We keep a player who has disrespected the club for years and lose a potential star.  In the Barton's yesterday the Preston fans could not believe they had nicked Callum Robinson off us.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 22, 2017, 05:34:14 PM
I really dislike Gabby but it doesn't stop me saying he played well yesterday, because he did. I still want him gone and think he's a twat but i'm not going to try and claim yesterday wasn't a good performance.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: BOB MANSFIELD on January 22, 2017, 05:57:28 PM
I wrote previously there was something going wrong in his life off the field...but he sounds like he doesn't know how to handle it and has reverted to " the dog ate my homework " as his last resort .
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Clampy on January 22, 2017, 06:00:21 PM
WM reporting that he's on his way back to Fulham.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 22, 2017, 06:01:52 PM
See ya Tubs, we'll always have Gategate.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: BOB MANSFIELD on January 22, 2017, 06:06:09 PM
Knew he shouldn't have taken that house in Polesworth......Two Gates would definitely have been a better choice.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: passport1 on January 22, 2017, 06:06:58 PM
Its the blame generation.You know the drill they do sometning wrong get caught then blame a deprived childhood.

Everyone has personal stuff you just get on with it . He's been shite all season now he has "personal issues".

Imagine him trotting that guff out to a Saunders or Clough.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: passport1 on January 22, 2017, 06:07:10 PM
Its the blame generation.You know the drill they do sometning wrong get caught then blame a deprived childhood.

Everyone has personal stuff you just get on with it . He's been shite all season now he has "personal issues".

Imagine him trotting that guff out to a Saunders or Clough.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: brian green on January 22, 2017, 06:08:02 PM
It is Groundhog Day.  For David Unsworth read Ross McCormack for he has to be home for his tea read he can't jump over the wall.  Play away reduced ad absurdam.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 22, 2017, 06:11:27 PM
Let's hope we've got a striker coming in then because it'll leave us very short up front.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: BOB MANSFIELD on January 22, 2017, 06:13:34 PM
Yes, only Kodjia over 6 feet tall.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: RichardBatchelor on January 22, 2017, 06:56:34 PM
Its the blame generation.You know the drill they do sometning wrong get caught then blame a deprived childhood.

Everyone has personal stuff you just get on with it . He's been shite all season now he has "personal issues".

Imagine him trotting that guff out to a Saunders or Clough.

To be fair, when God trotted out that 'guff' to SGT, it worked rather well...
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: eamonn on January 22, 2017, 07:08:23 PM
Any mention of a fee?
Would really help if Kodjia and Ayew's countries got knocked out of the African Nations Cup asap. Get them back for Brentford and let's go on a winning streak.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: IFWaters on January 22, 2017, 07:21:41 PM
why dont we just fire him for gross misconduct. Dont pay him a single penny more.

let the ****er try to take us to Court.

Forget the £12 million, its gone, but I for one would applaud an owner who stood up to these greedy cretins and told him he wasnt fit to wear the shirt and he would never get a penny out of us.
How moronic is that?  Forget the 12m just so we don't need to pay him any more?  We could recoup a big part of that right now or maybe rehabilitate him and get more in the summer or even some return on the field.  What sort of strategy is writing off 12m?

Well I dont think its moronic (obviously) as I posted it. Would be good to lay off the name-calling please, I was just posting a point of view.

First part of my logic is that I dont think we would ever get £12m back for him, we seriously overpaid there. So that £12m is well and truly gone.

The second part of my logic is that, at a guess, he is on maybe £50k a week - thats £2.6 million in wages for the next 3.5 years - er thats £9.1 million in money we havent yet spent on him.

Im not an employment lawyer but I am sure on planet earth, people who continually dont turn up for work would get sacked for the same, so why not him ? In addition, it would send a message to every greedy so-and-so that we demand professional conduct from professional players. Just a thought.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: mr underhill on January 22, 2017, 07:24:56 PM
on a slightly tangential note, I wonder how many millionaire footballers there are in the championship? My guess is that most of them play for us or the Jawdies.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 22, 2017, 07:25:08 PM
So because we won't get £12m for him we should sack him, forgetting that we may still get say £6m or £7m, or £2m, or anything really. It's bonkers to think we should sack him and waive any money we may get for him.
It's bonkers and that why it ain't gonna happen.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: chrisw1 on January 22, 2017, 07:26:03 PM
why dont we just fire him for gross misconduct. Dont pay him a single penny more.

let the ****er try to take us to Court.

Forget the £12 million, its gone, but I for one would applaud an owner who stood up to these greedy cretins and told him he wasnt fit to wear the shirt and he would never get a penny out of us.
How moronic is that?  Forget the 12m just so we don't need to pay him any more?  We could recoup a big part of that right now or maybe rehabilitate him and get more in the summer or even some return on the field.  What sort of strategy is writing off 12m?

Well I dont think its moronic (obviously) as I posted it. Would be good to lay off the name-calling please, I was just posting a point of view.

First part of my logic is that I dont think we would ever get £12m back for him, we seriously overpaid there. So that £12m is well and truly gone.

The second part of my logic is that, at a guess, he is on maybe £50k a week - thats £2.6 million in wages for the next 3.5 years - er thats £9.1 million in money we havent yet spent on him.

Im not an employment lawyer but I am sure on planet earth, people who continually dont turn up for work would get sacked for the same, so why not him ? In addition, it would send a message to every greedy so-and-so that we demand professional conduct from professional players. Just a thought.
Well in my view anyone who is prepared to spunk £12m up the wall when I suspect loads of clubs would bite our hand off at £8m plus is pretty moronic.  Sorry.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 22, 2017, 07:27:19 PM
In future lay off the name calling, just say you disagree and why. Like most on here manage to do
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: chrisw1 on January 22, 2017, 07:28:17 PM
ok PWS point taken
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: IFWaters on January 22, 2017, 07:32:34 PM
why dont we just fire him for gross misconduct. Dont pay him a single penny more.

let the ****er try to take us to Court.

Forget the £12 million, its gone, but I for one would applaud an owner who stood up to these greedy cretins and told him he wasnt fit to wear the shirt and he would never get a penny out of us.
How moronic is that?  Forget the 12m just so we don't need to pay him any more?  We could recoup a big part of that right now or maybe rehabilitate him and get more in the summer or even some return on the field.  What sort of strategy is writing off 12m?

Well I dont think its moronic (obviously) as I posted it. Would be good to lay off the name-calling please, I was just posting a point of view.

First part of my logic is that I dont think we would ever get £12m back for him, we seriously overpaid there. So that £12m is well and truly gone.

The second part of my logic is that, at a guess, he is on maybe £50k a week - thats £2.6 million in wages for the next 3.5 years - er thats £9.1 million in money we havent yet spent on him.

Im not an employment lawyer but I am sure on planet earth, people who continually dont turn up for work would get sacked for the same, so why not him ? In addition, it would send a message to every greedy so-and-so that we demand professional conduct from professional players. Just a thought.
Well in my view anyone who is prepared to spunk £12m up the wall when I suspect loads of clubs would bite our hand off at £8m plus is pretty moronic.  Sorry.

Well if someone is willing to pay us £8m for him I suggest we bite their hand off.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: brian green on January 22, 2017, 08:13:55 PM
I think IFW has a valid point.  At the moment clubs everywhere are being held to ransom by greedy, self serving players.  If wages were witheld subject to contracts being properly honoured the balance of employer/employee power could be rebalanced.  Wages could be held in escrow by a neutral stakeholder and paid in full when and if differences were resolved.  A player would be free to change clubs while in dispute with another club.  The present N'Zogbia option of a player holding all the aces cannot be allowed to be the norm.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: BOB MANSFIELD on January 22, 2017, 08:18:05 PM
What about touting him to Hull, or Sunderland or BF Sam at the Palace. He's got over 20 bids out there with no takers. Surely he'd like a proven goal scorer for the second Division that is rapidly approaching him.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: cdbullyweefan on January 22, 2017, 08:33:25 PM
See ya Tubs, we'll always have Gategate.

Get your own material.

We shouldn't be loaning him, he's getting older and his value is only going to sink further. Get him sold, or get him to apologise for Gategate, work hard in training and eventually work his way back into contention.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: chrisw1 on January 22, 2017, 08:33:41 PM
I think IFW has a valid point.  At the moment clubs everywhere are being held to ransom by greedy, self serving players.  If wages were witheld subject to contracts being properly honoured the balance of employer/employee power could be rebalanced.  Wages could be held in escrow by a neutral stakeholder and paid in full when and if differences were resolved.  A player would be free to change clubs while in dispute with another club.  The present N'Zogbia option of a player holding all the aces cannot be allowed to be the norm.
All very nice in principal Brian, but frankly I'd rather us not be the ones who lead the charge whilst risking our 12m investement on McCormack.  I would have been all for it with NZog or Gabby if anything could have been proved against them though (ie when we had nothing to lose).  However, I very much doubt it could.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 22, 2017, 08:41:02 PM
See ya Tubs, we'll always have Gategate.

Get your own material.

We shouldn't be loaning him, he's getting older and his value is only going to sink further. Get him sold, or get him to apologise for Gategate, work hard in training and eventually work his way back into contention.


I'd better edit posts*

*Yours so as it looks like I came up with it.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: BOB MANSFIELD on January 22, 2017, 08:44:28 PM
this is becoming the gate gate gate thread. It's partly off fence ive.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: LeeB on January 22, 2017, 08:51:41 PM
this is becoming the gate gate gate thread. It's partly off fence ive.

Let's hope the gate mafunction isn't found to be due to a faulty Windows operating system.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: BOB MANSFIELD on January 22, 2017, 08:54:21 PM
Wouldn't that just be a-door-able ?
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Three Spires Villa on January 22, 2017, 09:01:21 PM
Sad, as when we got Ross I was happy as his record at other clubs was really good, but as everyone has said to behave like this is very poor, we all have stuff to deal with, dear me 😑
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: tomd2103 on January 22, 2017, 09:22:44 PM
Sad, as when we got Ross I was happy as his record at other clubs was really good, but as everyone has said to behave like this is very poor, we all have stuff to deal with, dear me 😑

It's speaks volumes of the kind of culture that exists at the club when a new player rocks up and begins behaving like that. 
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: BC Villain on January 22, 2017, 09:29:55 PM
The whole saga shows that we desperately need another forward.  Shipping McCormack out would leave us with Agbonlahor and an untested Davis.  Letting Gestede leave so early in the window isn't looking too clever now.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Richard E on January 22, 2017, 09:31:43 PM
The whole saga shows that we desperately need another forward.  Shipping McCormack out would leave us with Agbonlahor and an untested Davis.  Letting Gestede leave so early in the window isn't looking too clever now.

Hepburn-Murphy would be getting a game if he'd signed a new contract.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: villadelph on January 22, 2017, 09:59:00 PM
The whole saga shows that we desperately need another forward.  Shipping McCormack out would leave us with Agbonlahor and an untested Davis.  Letting Gestede leave so early in the window isn't looking too clever now.

I'd rather have Callum Robinson back.

Rudy was a nice guy, but a legitimately bad footballer.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Chris Harte on January 22, 2017, 10:01:35 PM
How do we repeatedly end up with players who just seem to want to take the piss?

Charles Nzogbia, Joleon Lescott, Micah Richards, Gabriel Agbon (who actually put in a shift yesterday - shame it was a season and a half too late) and now Ross McCormack who appears to be putting more effort into excuses for not turning up at training than actually training.

There are probably others that I've forgot about too.

Do other clubs get this many arseholes, or is it just us that end up with players who sign a fat contract and then throw in the towel, safe in the knowledge that no footballer (probably) has even been sacked for not being arsed?
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Holtemeister on January 22, 2017, 10:17:13 PM
Cause although we beleive ourselves to be a big club with a proud history, amazing stadium, superb training ground and some of the best fans going (away mainly) ... were shit and have been for 5 years and average for 15 years before that.

So unfortunately despite all the good things about us that new signings waffle on at their shirt stretching it is more about the  money we have had to bribe them with to come here.

I hope very much that the players we are now signing really want to be part of our famous club, if only as a stepping stone, rather than happy to be pillaging us for little return or sulking in a corner saying how badly they are being treated on 50k a week.

Oh and a totally inept management structure devoid of any football knowhow over the past 10 years or so.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: chrisw1 on January 22, 2017, 10:17:22 PM
The whole saga shows that we desperately need another forward.  Shipping McCormack out would leave us with Agbonlahor and an untested Davis.  Letting Gestede leave so early in the window isn't looking too clever now.

Hepburn-Murphy would be getting a game if he'd signed a new contract.
I'm wondering whether, if they think he's any good, maybe we should up the offer as that would be easier, cheaper and quicker than getting a replacement in
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Gareth on January 22, 2017, 11:39:37 PM
The whole saga shows that we desperately need another forward.  Shipping McCormack out would leave us with Agbonlahor and an untested Davis.  Letting Gestede leave so early in the window isn't looking too clever now.

Hepburn-Murphy would be getting a game if he'd signed a new contract.
I'm wondering whether, if they think he's any good, maybe we should up the offer as that would be easier, cheaper and quicker than getting a replacement in
If anything I'd say the opposite, if there has been a very good offer on the table and not signed for a period of time the club should be thinking of withdrawing it....we are talking of a player who is at this point potential but no achievement...call his bluff or the next one off the conveyor will do the same.  Being held to ransom by a kid with what 90 minutes under his belt is really poor!  Whether he is being badly advised or not he clearly doesn't want to play for Villa as anyone could see the opportunity to play was there in January and if he had wanted it enough he would have made it happen, it's his career!
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: tomd2103 on January 23, 2017, 12:03:40 AM
Cause although we beleive ourselves to be a big club with a proud history, amazing stadium, superb training ground and some of the best fans going (away mainly) ... were shit and have been for 5 years and average for 15 years before that.

So unfortunately despite all the good things about us that new signings waffle on at their shirt stretching it is more about the  money we have had to bribe them with to come here.

I hope very much that the players we are now signing really want to be part of our famous club, if only as a stepping stone, rather than happy to be pillaging us for little return or sulking in a corner saying how badly they are being treated on 50k a week.

Oh and a totally inept management structure devoid of any football knowhow over the past 10 years or so.

Gary Rowett did a phone-in on WM when he was at the Blues and talked about making sure he was bringinv the right type of characters to that club and that they had to be a good fit in that way.

We have seemed to be just buying on name and it is no real surprise to hear that this type of behaviour has been going on.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Risso on January 23, 2017, 12:05:36 AM
this is becoming the gate gate gate thread.

It's like Gareth Gates introducing himself on Pop Idol.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: robbo1874 on January 23, 2017, 03:34:53 AM
The whole saga shows that we desperately need another forward.  Shipping McCormack out would leave us with Agbonlahor and an untested Davis.  Letting Gestede leave so early in the window isn't looking too clever now.

Hepburn-Murphy would be getting a game if he'd signed a new contract.
I'm wondering whether, if they think he's any good, maybe we should up the offer as that would be easier, cheaper and quicker than getting a replacement in
If anything I'd say the opposite, if there has been a very good offer on the table and not signed for a period of time the club should be thinking of withdrawing it....we are talking of a player who is at this point potential but no achievement...call his bluff or the next one off the conveyor will do the same.  Being held to ransom by a kid with what 90 minutes under his belt is really poor!  Whether he is being badly advised or not he clearly doesn't want to play for Villa as anyone could see the opportunity to play was there in January and if he had wanted it enough he would have made it happen, it's his career!
this is where senior players like Gabby should be stepping up and tightening the kid's screws to get him to sign a new deal. I'm guessing he's been advised by his agent who probably has both eyes on a cut of a fat signing on fee with a new club. It's all ifs, buts and maybes, but if we'd have had this situation when the likes of Laursen and Mellberg were here a few years ago, kids with potential like this wouldn't be looking to walk away after playing 90 mins first team football.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: pbavfckuwait on January 23, 2017, 04:57:49 AM
Whether RHM signs a contract or not should be immaterial, he is still till the end of the season being payed as a professional footballer by Aston Villa, therefore should be used if required at whatever level and this level at the moment due to Fat Ross is first team level. So he is looking at other options, wish that waste of space Gobeshiteahor would.
This is where football is so self destructing and managers play their part in that as well, if true as read somewhere today, Fat Ross has missed up to 12 sessions, but during that time has been included in the squad and included in the team, but RHM who no stories have come out of causing trouble and not training can not even get on the bench most of the time, his sin keeping his options open, mad mad world.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: mr underhill on January 23, 2017, 05:15:03 AM
I'm fearful for him but not shedding and tears.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: sid1964 on January 23, 2017, 07:01:40 AM
It is strange how Bruce said that McCormack was not fit this Saturday, but he started the game the previous week???

If we think that he is the only 1 that has been taking the piss out of Aston Villa then we are very much mistaken!!!!
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: cdbullyweefan on January 23, 2017, 08:09:12 AM
Well, maybe. But there are varying degrees of piss-taking. I'd suggest that the other players have at least bothered to attend training.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: brian green on January 23, 2017, 08:56:42 AM
McCormack's jammed gates incarceration is less Pop Idol, more Hinge and Bracket.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Dave on January 23, 2017, 09:06:57 AM
What would I know? I just advise people on employment law for a living.

Are these people actually employees in any case?  I always thought that they were either self employed or directors of their own companies.

Nope, normal PAYE employees. Taxed at source.

The almost certainly do all have their own companies for extra-curricular stuff but their club wages are just paid like those of any other employee (albeit with a few more zeroes on the end of the numbers).
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: TheMalandro on January 23, 2017, 09:07:47 AM
Bruce was misquoted, he said "McCormack told me he has a problem with his gait"
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: passport1 on January 23, 2017, 09:20:25 AM
I presume that even if the gates partially opened Ross wouldn't have been able to squeeze through.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: TheMalandro on January 23, 2017, 09:27:34 AM
He has no style
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: SashasGrandad on January 23, 2017, 09:48:15 AM


if Ross' dog can get out....... (https://www.facebook.com/andy.g.paul/posts/10154179548592124?notif_t=close_friend_activity&notif_id=1485100704707055[/url)
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: brian green on January 23, 2017, 09:51:58 AM
The scene is Steve Bruce's office.

The telephone rings.  It is answered by Tracey,  SB's secretary.

Tracey)  Call for you Mr Bruce.

SB). Let me get my coat off.  Who is it?

Tracey). Mr Westwood.

SB)  Hello Ashley.  What's up?

Westwood). Sorry to bother you Mr Bruce but my gates are stuck and I can't get my car out. I might be a minute or two late for training.  I really am sorry.

SB). Be as quick as you can Ashley.

Westwood). I will boss.  I have phoned for a JCB.  He will be here in a minute.  He can smash the gates and the pillars down.  They are built into the porch but he can demolish that if he has to.

SB). Good thinking Ashley.  I will see you at Bodymoor Heath.

Westwood). Okay Mr Bruce.  I should only be a minute or two late.  I will stay over and do a couple of hundred circuits and while I am in the car I will do some dynamic muscle tension exercises...

SB). Bye Ashley.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: stuart r on January 23, 2017, 10:05:03 AM
I think McCormack did the right thing. Could've pierced his foot on a spike.

Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Mister E on January 23, 2017, 11:56:20 AM
I think the comments in the press release I've seen are telling: SB reckons the laissez-faire attitude at VP is the worst he's seen in 20 years as a manager.
Which is mindblowing and concerning ... 6-7 years of mediocrity and underperformance, effectively endorsed by successive management teams, has resulted in a truly corrosive culture; something which Wyness & Co have failed to get their heads around, to any great effect.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: aj2k77 on January 23, 2017, 12:15:04 PM
Well Gabby and Richards two of the worst, if not the worst culprits from last seasons humiliation are still at large, in the squad, playing games, at the training ground and in the dressing room. Of course things haven't been stamped out fully. Both should have gone in the summer, no one is going to buy them, they should have been paid off. The culture of the Villa holiday camp wont be erased until all the ring leaders have left the holiday park.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Jimbo on January 23, 2017, 12:45:25 PM
I think the comments in the press release I've seen are telling: SB reckons the laissez-faire attitude at VP is the worst he's seen in 20 years as a manager.
Which is mindblowing and concerning ... 6-7 years of mediocrity and underperformance, effectively endorsed by successive management teams, has resulted in a truly corrosive culture; something which Wyness & Co have failed to get their heads around, to any great effect.

Which press release is this, Mister E? None of this should come as any surprise to any Villa fan with their eyes open and their brains intact, but it is still shocking that a so-called professional football club could carry on like this. There's a reason why we've been perennial bottlers, last-minute foot-shooters and chronic collapsers all these years, and it isn't because all our players and managers have been shit. No wonder we dropped 'Prepared' from the badge. For a long, long time, we've been anything but.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: ozzjim on January 23, 2017, 12:49:03 PM
Loan him back for a fee and his wages covered.  If he scores a load of goals between now and May we will get a better price than if he rots on our bench or in our reserves.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: aj2k77 on January 23, 2017, 12:58:23 PM
He'll probably do the Gabby trick and see if he can outlast another manager stay on the gravy train and get a clean slate under the next one.

He shouldn't be playing for us again.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 23, 2017, 12:59:59 PM
He'll probably do the Gabby trick and see if he can outlast another manager stay on the gravy train and get a clean slate under the next one.

He shouldn't be playing for us again.

Everyone deserves a second chance.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on January 23, 2017, 02:39:59 PM
It's Joe Bennett's house that McCormack is renting, I'm told. Rogue landlord, renting out a deathtrap
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: ClaretAndBlueBlood on January 23, 2017, 03:05:28 PM
He'll probably do the Gabby trick and see if he can outlast another manager stay on the gravy train and get a clean slate under the next one.

He shouldn't be playing for us again.

Everyone deserves a second chance.

how many second chances has gabby had?
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: dicedlam on January 23, 2017, 03:32:18 PM
He'll probably do the Gabby trick and see if he can outlast another manager stay on the gravy train and get a clean slate under the next one.

He shouldn't be playing for us again.

Everyone deserves a second chance.

Serious question sh...why do you defend that fuckwit Agbonlahor so much when it is perfectly obvious to everyone else on here that the bloke is just a leech and a busted flush who should of been fucked off years ago.

Please convince me...go on, I dare you.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: KRS on January 23, 2017, 03:34:28 PM
So according to SSN, RMC has said he wants a move away from VP because of the comments from SB. What an absolute twat.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: clash city rocker on January 23, 2017, 04:03:32 PM
I'm with RMC on this one. I want him to have a move away from villa park. Knowin our luck if a move does come up his gates will jam again and we'll be stuck with him.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: LukeJames on January 23, 2017, 04:14:12 PM
So according to SSN, RMC has said he wants a move away from VP because of the comments from SB. What an absolute twat.

Good stuff, he should have no problem putting in a transfer request then.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Nev on January 23, 2017, 07:50:43 PM
Just read a tweet linking him with a loan move to Rangers.

I'll be quite frank, the fat c*** can fuck off back to that bunch of wankers.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: TheMalandro on January 23, 2017, 07:56:45 PM
(https://s29.postimg.org/6x1zijh8j/JS11987653.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/6x1zijh8j/)

"I told him me gate was fucked"
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: KevinGage on January 23, 2017, 08:09:57 PM
Just read a tweet linking him with a loan move to Rangers.

I'll be quite frank, the fat c*** can fuck off back to that bunch of wankers.

Why should the player get what he wants in this scenario?

Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Rudy65 on January 23, 2017, 08:17:11 PM
And he signed a 4 year contract in the summer. Costly
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on January 23, 2017, 08:26:21 PM
Just read a tweet linking him with a loan move to Rangers.

I'll be quite frank, the fat c*** can fuck off back to that bunch of wankers.

No way will he end up at rangers whem we are paying him 40k a week
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: manic-road on January 23, 2017, 08:27:57 PM
So according to SSN, RMC has said he wants a move away from VP because of the comments from SB. What an absolute twat.

Well after gategate he can do one, we need pros prepared to work their socks off in training and in a match.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 23, 2017, 08:31:50 PM
Just read a tweet linking him with a loan move to Rangers.

I'll be quite frank, the fat c*** can fuck off back to that bunch of wankers.

Have they got any players worth poaching in exchange?
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: cdbullyweefan on January 23, 2017, 08:32:04 PM
He can "do one", when somebody pays us for him, and not before.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: cdward on January 23, 2017, 08:39:56 PM
We aren't the only club to lose money on signings.
Lots of clubs have spunked loads of cash on players and moved them on. Liverpool as an example because Markovic is going on loan to Hull, they paid £20M for him a couple of seasons back.
Andy Carroll £20m loss , Downing £15M loss, Balotelli £16M loss, Markovic £20M - on loan to Hull.

Sometimes you just need to cut your losses and move on.
I'd take a can of WD40 for McCormack right now...
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: The Edge on January 23, 2017, 08:44:20 PM
So according to SSN, RMC has said he wants a move away from VP because of the comments from SB. What an absolute twat.

Well after gategate he can do one, we need pros prepared to work their socks off in training and in a match.
Gate gate?? That's fucking brilliant
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Smirker on January 23, 2017, 08:44:44 PM
Just read a tweet linking him with a loan move to Rangers.

I'll be quite frank, the fat c*** can fuck off back to that bunch of wankers.

Have they got any players worth poaching in exchange?

James Tavernier at RB and possibly Martyn Waghorn up front are the only two that would get close to our subs bench, IMO.

Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: The Edge on January 23, 2017, 08:49:10 PM
Welcome Ross. Show 'em where the goal is!
I'm not knocking you mate but this is how we all felt when we signed him. Fucking hell has he proved us all wrong? What a complete and utter prick he turned out to be. His contract should be torn up and we should sue the fat fuck to get the money back he's scammed off us.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: brontebilly on January 23, 2017, 08:50:12 PM
Just read a tweet linking him with a loan move to Rangers.

I'll be quite frank, the fat c*** can fuck off back to that bunch of wankers.

Aren't they called Sevco now?
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Smirker on January 23, 2017, 08:54:00 PM
Just read a tweet linking him with a loan move to Rangers.

I'll be quite frank, the fat c*** can fuck off back to that bunch of wankers.

Aren't they called Sevco now?

Nope.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on January 23, 2017, 08:57:40 PM
So according to SSN, RMC has said he wants a move away from VP because of the comments from SB. What an absolute twat.

Well after gategate he can do one, we need pros prepared to work their socks off in training and in a match.
Gate gate?? That's fucking brilliant

omg! 
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: cdbullyweefan on January 23, 2017, 09:06:15 PM
Just read a tweet linking him with a loan move to Rangers.

I'll be quite frank, the fat c*** can fuck off back to that bunch of wankers.

Aren't they called Sevco now?

Sevco, Zombie Rangers or Weegie Millwall are all acceptable.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: BOB MANSFIELD on January 23, 2017, 09:07:45 PM
I take it you are masquerading as a Clyde fan...........hidden green hoops?
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: paul_e on January 23, 2017, 09:14:39 PM
"proven goalscorer, creative, lacks pace - the kind of player you should build a team around, rather than the shitsters we surrounded him with."

verdict from my fulham supporting mate on mccormack.

The bold bit is my  major concern but it won't matter if we get the other signings right.

What I want to see now is a fast striker, a midfielder who can add some goals and a right back who can cross a ball and I think that will be enough for this window.  People have called for a winger but I'd like to see Green and Traore given a chance for a few months and then review that one in January.


Someone posted something from early in the thread so I decided to go back and see what's in the first few pages, largely to back up a point from the Bruce thread that the idea that 'these are the signings that will save us' isn't unique to this window.


I stick by this one of mine, Traore was, effectively, swapped for Adomah but the problem was that we didn't address the goals from midfield (and the right back we got was crocked before he'd even started to settle in)


I suspected RM would struggle (I tried to be positive about it but I have 3-4 posts early on the thread where I mentioned his lack of place and the fact that he wasn't a natural fit for the team) though because we're not a quick team and without the pace around him his lack of it becomes all too obvious, Grealish has the same problem.  I like that Green has now eventually been given a chance and has looked full of potential,he brings the pace we're so desperate for and now we need to start finding him where he can isolate a full back.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on January 23, 2017, 09:15:39 PM
Jesus do we really have to talk about Scottish football? In particular Rangers/Celtic? It sucks what little fun there is left out of the game when they enter the conversation.*

*my opinion. Take this as a polite request from a fellow fan.

Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 23, 2017, 09:18:52 PM
We'll leave the Celtic and Rangers 'banter' there thank you.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: BOB MANSFIELD on January 23, 2017, 09:26:20 PM
Just read a tweet linking him with a loan move to Rangers.

I'll be quite frank, the fat c*** can fuck off back to that bunch of wankers.

Have they got any players worth poaching in exchange?

James Tavernier at RB and possibly Martyn Waghorn up front are the only two that would get close to our subs bench, IMO.
I was halfway through writing the same thing, but would add Barrie McKay too. Sadly Gers can't afford to be without any of them and couldn't afford 1/10th of McCaramac's wages [ a Gers fan of 45 years here ....Villa fan 56 yrs though ]]
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: BOB MANSFIELD on January 23, 2017, 09:30:22 PM
We'll leave the Celtic and Rangers 'banter' there thank you.
OK Boss. [walks away sulking like Ayew]
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: cdbullyweefan on January 23, 2017, 09:32:26 PM
I take it you are masquerading as a Clyde fan...........hidden green hoops?

You take it wrong. What a bizarre assertion.

I don't like Manchester United. Does that make me a Liverpool fan?
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Smirker on January 23, 2017, 09:38:39 PM
Just read a tweet linking him with a loan move to Rangers.

I'll be quite frank, the fat c*** can fuck off back to that bunch of wankers.

Have they got any players worth poaching in exchange?

James Tavernier at RB and possibly Martyn Waghorn up front are the only two that would get close to our subs bench, IMO.
I was halfway through writing the same thing, but would add Barrie McKay too. Sadly Gers can't afford to be without any of them and couldn't afford 1/10th of McCaramac's wages [ a Gers fan of 45 years here ....Villa fan 56 yrs though ]]

Cheers mate, I was hoping we would go for Lewis MacLeod while he was still at Rangers. He seems to have disappeared now.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: BOB MANSFIELD on January 23, 2017, 09:40:21 PM
yes, but he's been " Brentford-ised ". Maybe we'll see him on deadline day lined up against us.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: BOB MANSFIELD on January 23, 2017, 09:42:59 PM
oh no we won't. Just read he's had [yet another] serious knee injury and out for the rest of the season. Shame.
How about a Bid for Steve Davis instead ? Or a swap deal for RMcC.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: adrenachrome on January 23, 2017, 11:54:05 PM
SVC's take:

Quote
“The time has come for the FA to step up and make their rules relevant to 2017 to stop a Dimitri Payet or Ross McCormack situation happening again,” Collymore wrote in his column for the Mirror.

“Fifteen or 20 years ago if you wanted to leave a club you had to submit a transfer request and go on the transfer list.

“But that has now given way to a new phenomenon of players throwing in sickies or coming up with excuses like McCormack’s that he couldn’t open the gates outside his house to get out.

“Now, because of how players and agents are trying to get out of being punished, downing tools needs to be addressed and the FA needs to modify its rules to give clubs emergency permission to stop a player’s wages until a resolution is found.”
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 24, 2017, 12:05:41 AM
SVC's take:

Quote
“The time has come for the FA to step up and make their rules relevant to 2017 to stop a Dimitri Payet or Ross McCormack situation happening again,” Collymore wrote in his column for the Mirror.

“Fifteen or 20 years ago if you wanted to leave a club you had to submit a transfer request and go on the transfer list.

“But that has now given way to a new phenomenon of players throwing in sickies or coming up with excuses like McCormack’s that he couldn’t open the gates outside his house to get out.

“Now, because of how players and agents are trying to get out of being punished, downing tools needs to be addressed and the FA needs to modify its rules to give clubs emergency permission to stop a player’s wages until a resolution is found.”

I hope he's got good grounds to believe that McCormack isn't going through similar issues to those with which he suffered himself. Otherwise...
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: eamonn on January 24, 2017, 12:35:02 AM
He's only saying what we all are, can't you choose Collymore over McCormack just for once?!
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: cdbullyweefan on January 24, 2017, 12:46:16 AM
It's not a question of choosing one over the other. He's suggesting bringing in a blanket rule which would allow clubs to stop players being paid without, necessarily, taking their circumstances into account. Under that rule, Collymore may well have suffered which would, in hindsight, have been unfair considering his ill health at the time.

The sensible thing to do is to continue to seek to treat each such incident on a case by case basis rather than, potentially, penalising any number of innocent players just because McCormack seems to be a bit of a twat.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 24, 2017, 12:59:34 AM
He's only saying what we all are, can't you choose Collymore over McCormack just for once?!

Ha! I read Collymore's book relatively recently. I'd always been a notional sympathiser with him (and remain so) because of his honesty about his problems and because he's pretty articulate for a footballer, but he didn't put himself across in a way that would encourage your average Joe to think of him positively. I think that when he 'wrote' it he was far from out of the woods with his own issues and he was quite unforgiving of those who he felt he had wronged him, while being even more unforgiving of those who hadn't given him sufficient forgiveness.

Maybe McCormack is just a twat, but he appears to be exhibiting a lot of the behaviours that SVC (and others I have known, including myself) have done in times of distress.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: footyskillz on January 24, 2017, 08:38:21 AM
SVC's take:

Quote
“The time has come for the FA to step up and make their rules relevant to 2017 to stop a Dimitri Payet or Ross McCormack situation happening again,” Collymore wrote in his column for the Mirror.

“Fifteen or 20 years ago if you wanted to leave a club you had to submit a transfer request and go on the transfer list.

“But that has now given way to a new phenomenon of players throwing in sickies or coming up with excuses like McCormack’s that he couldn’t open the gates outside his house to get out.

“Now, because of how players and agents are trying to get out of being punished, downing tools needs to be addressed and the FA needs to modify its rules to give clubs emergency permission to stop a player’s wages until a resolution is found.”

I hope he's got good grounds to believe that McCormack isn't going through similar issues to those with which he suffered himself. Otherwise...

Do you think Bruce and Xia would treat their employees like that if he was ! Come on its 2017. Even if Bruce who could be old school a business and organisation today even in football wouldn't castigate a player .
Can you explain why you're speculating that he is experiencing major issues like collymore?
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: brian green on January 24, 2017, 08:50:48 AM
I do not think any reasonable person would not agree that the Bosman pendulum has swung too far from all the power with the clubs (Stanley Matthews was fined a year's wages for sponsoring a brand of boots) to the power being entirely with the players and agents.

The frustrating thing is that the clubs, or a single club even, would only have to threaten breach of contract litigation against a player to start to bring players like Ross McCormack back to planet Earth.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 24, 2017, 09:05:46 AM
SVC's take:

Quote
“The time has come for the FA to step up and make their rules relevant to 2017 to stop a Dimitri Payet or Ross McCormack situation happening again,” Collymore wrote in his column for the Mirror.

“Fifteen or 20 years ago if you wanted to leave a club you had to submit a transfer request and go on the transfer list.

“But that has now given way to a new phenomenon of players throwing in sickies or coming up with excuses like McCormack’s that he couldn’t open the gates outside his house to get out.

“Now, because of how players and agents are trying to get out of being punished, downing tools needs to be addressed and the FA needs to modify its rules to give clubs emergency permission to stop a player’s wages until a resolution is found.”

I hope he's got good grounds to believe that McCormack isn't going through similar issues to those with which he suffered himself. Otherwise...

Do you think Bruce and Xia would treat their employees like that if he was ! Come on its 2017. Even if Bruce who could be old school a business and organisation today even in football wouldn't castigate a player .
Can you explain why you're speculating that he is experiencing major issues like collymore?

I don't think he has. I just don't know that he hasn't.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: oldtimernow on January 24, 2017, 10:03:12 AM
Thinking that the value of RMC will have plummeted anyway it would be good to see the club take a stance against him for contract breach by not turning up for training when required.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: aj2k77 on January 24, 2017, 10:05:02 AM
I'd take £6-7m for him and get his attitude and wages gone asap.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 24, 2017, 01:30:47 PM
Sadly, I think you will find that the contracts are written heavily in favour of the player.
There would be absoloutely no point in sueing a player under these circumstances as the club would lose.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Clark W Griswold on January 24, 2017, 01:38:11 PM
Sounds like the Fulham players have been telling their boss that he's an arse hole and not to touch with a barge pole. We certainly know how to pick em, have we not been doing any research what so ever on the kind of characters we're signing over the last couple of years.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Hookeysmith on January 24, 2017, 01:39:29 PM
I would assume that only upon breaking criminal law (Ged Evans / Lee Hughes / The guy from Chelsea who liked the marching powder etc) do the club have the legal power to cancel a contract. Even then most top players would walk straight back into a well paid job

FFS Alladyce was publically shamed and resigned after 1 game with England yet in days of the dust settling he was being touted to a number of clubs

The lunatics really do run the asylum
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on January 24, 2017, 01:46:26 PM
Prior to signin c***y mcfatty we could have done the following check:
12 million for a 30 year old on a 4 year deal at 40k a week, approx 20 million

he helps gets us up in the first season happy days

if he doesnt we are lumbered and at 40k a week will sit on his fat arse

Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Richard E on January 24, 2017, 04:29:00 PM
According to that comic that no self-respecting person would buy or read, Fulham have dropped their interest in him after the squad there talked the manager out of it because he was allegedly a disruptive influence last year.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: mr underhill on January 24, 2017, 05:06:42 PM
Another financial fuck up that stands alongside the contract extensions for Gabflab Hutton and Paul 'we go again' Lambert
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 24, 2017, 05:47:34 PM
Pretty amazing that allready having the huge disparity of player value and thier actual worth, that we should add to the problem with FSW.
Hard to think of a club with a worse record of financial incompetence regarding player acquisition and contractual liabilities than us.
This is why we are where we are and likely to stay here for some time.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on January 24, 2017, 06:20:38 PM
Pretty amazing that allready having the huge disparity of player value and thier actual worth, that we should add to the problem with FSW.
Hard to think of a club with a worse record of financial incompetence regarding player acquisition and contractual liabilities than us.
This is why we are where we are and likely to stay here for some time.

Agree, and to a lesser extent we sign 32 year old jedinak whose body cant take the amount of games in this league and who with wages and transfer fee will cost us close to 10 million

fine if we go up this season but if we dont then another who we wont get rid of
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: olaftab on January 25, 2017, 12:45:39 PM
Without wishing to poke anymore sticks in to this "dead body" :

Fulham's players have told their manager Slavisa Jokanovic not to sign 30-year-old Aston Villa striker Ross McCormack, because he was a disruptive influence at the club last year. (Sun)
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: richtheholtender on January 25, 2017, 12:49:39 PM
Without wishing to poke anymore sticks in to this "dead body" :

Fulham's players have told their manager Slavisa Jokanovic not to sign 30-year-old Aston Villa striker Ross McCormack, because he was a disruptive influence at the club last year. (Sun)


I think we may be paying for the funeral for a long time.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on January 25, 2017, 01:03:41 PM
Without wishing to poke anymore sticks in to this "dead body" :

Fulham's players have told their manager Slavisa Jokanovic not to sign 30-year-old Aston Villa striker Ross McCormack, because he was a disruptive influence at the club last year. (Sun)


I think we may be paying for the funeral for a long time.

Burn him
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: BOB MANSFIELD on January 25, 2017, 01:04:51 PM
Can't do that. It would be carcinogenic.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Meanwood Villa on January 25, 2017, 01:05:46 PM
Let's not re-write history here. We were all delighted with the signing, myself included. Furthermore I think the money being spent was seen as a positive sign of intent.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 25, 2017, 01:07:13 PM
Let's not re-write history here. We were all delighted with the signing, myself included. Furthermore I think the money being spent was seen as a positive sign of intent.
I wasn't.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Sleeuwenhoek on January 25, 2017, 01:10:55 PM
"Burn him"...........it would take 2 weeks to put him out....allegedly
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: BOB MANSFIELD on January 25, 2017, 01:12:09 PM
Weeble + Wine - Wife = Wazzock. Lost cause for us.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Meanwood Villa on January 25, 2017, 01:12:29 PM
Let's not re-write history here. We were all delighted with the signing, myself included. Furthermore I think the money being spent was seen as a positive sign of intent.
I wasn't.
Fair enough, I'd be amazed if you thought this is how it would turn out though.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 25, 2017, 01:18:42 PM
Let's not re-write history here. We were all delighted with the signing, myself included. Furthermore I think the money being spent was seen as a positive sign of intent.
I wasn't.
Fair enough, I'd be amazed if you thought this is how it would turn out though.
no I was hopeing for the best, it was a lot of money considering his age.
Also I could not work out how the players were going to fit a team plan, guess what, they didn't.
You could see conditioning was an issue right away.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Chris Jameson on January 25, 2017, 01:23:04 PM
A deluxe Grant Holt.

If only.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: cdbullyweefan on January 25, 2017, 01:32:44 PM
Let's not re-write history here. We were all delighted with the signing, myself included. Furthermore I think the money being spent was seen as a positive sign of intent.
I wasn't.

Ahem.

A goal scoring centre forward with a decent fitness record and the club showing some intent.
Yes please.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on January 25, 2017, 01:34:15 PM
A deluxe Grant Holt.

If only.
We asked for a de-lux but got a super-size by mistake ;-)
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: chrisw1 on January 25, 2017, 01:40:49 PM
Let's not re-write history here. We were all delighted with the signing, myself included. Furthermore I think the money being spent was seen as a positive sign of intent.
I wasn't.

Ahem.

A goal scoring centre forward with a decent fitness record and the club showing some intent.
Yes please.

Ooh well spotted!
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 25, 2017, 01:49:53 PM
It was a signing that worried me and a few others in the summer transfer thread when it was strongly rumoured we were in for him. http://www.heroesandvillains.info/forumv3/index.php?topic=55631.4320



I've said a number of times over the last few pages that I think it's a very risky one and it's one I don't think is worth the risk.

I'd hope though that those employed by the club to know these things could find better than a £12-15m player that seems to be a Championship Darren Bent with a potentially suspect attitude.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: BOB MANSFIELD on January 25, 2017, 01:59:52 PM
Just noticed on the Official Site, there's a job going at VP for a " Mid-Weight Designer ".

Do you think Mr McCormack or Mr Agbonlahor would stand a chance ? Or should they apply for the " Heavy-Weight " role?
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: paul_e on January 25, 2017, 02:23:11 PM
Yep, I thought it was a bad signing as well, once it was clear it was happening I tried to see the positives but I just didn't see where he'd fit and I did n't think he was as good a player as some seemed to think.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 25, 2017, 02:24:45 PM
Let's not re-write history here. We were all delighted with the signing, myself included. Furthermore I think the money being spent was seen as a positive sign of intent.
I wasn't.

Ahem.

A goal scoring centre forward with a decent fitness record and the club showing some intent.
Yes please.


***snigger***
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: peter w on January 25, 2017, 02:26:27 PM
Yeah that's embarrassing right there Chicago.

I personally *welcomed *didn't welcome* him with gusto as I knew exactly what he was like.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 25, 2017, 02:37:27 PM
Can everyone stop threatening to put their fists all over ChicagoVilla? It's not on.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: LeeB on January 25, 2017, 02:40:13 PM
Let's not re-write history here. We were all delighted with the signing, myself included. Furthermore I think the money being spent was seen as a positive sign of intent.
I wasn't.

Ahem.

A goal scoring centre forward with a decent fitness record and the club showing some intent.
Yes please.


***snigger***

It was an alternative post.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 25, 2017, 02:41:42 PM
Has CL called the UK rozzers about CD being nasty on the internet yet?
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 25, 2017, 02:43:38 PM
I wasn't too impressed when first linked, but like others tried to be positive once he had signed. I never thought he'd be this bad though.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 25, 2017, 02:46:50 PM
I wasn't too impressed when first linked, but like others tried to be positive once he had signed. I never thought he'd be this bad though.

Same for me. And I was a bit more optimistic after watching some of the videos of him on youtube, once i'd sorted out widescreen obviously.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 25, 2017, 03:14:44 PM
Let's not re-write history here. We were all delighted with the signing, myself included. Furthermore I think the money being spent was seen as a positive sign of intent.
I wasn't.

Ahem.

A goal scoring centre forward with a decent fitness record and the club showing some intent.
Yes please.


LMFAO or whatever the kids say these days.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: peter w on January 25, 2017, 04:22:32 PM
Can't you just pop down TV. Not that far from you is he? Tell him we've all fucked up once or twice. it'll be fine.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: TheMalandro on January 25, 2017, 05:07:10 PM
Let's not re-write history here. We were all delighted with the signing, myself included. Furthermore I think the money being spent was seen as a positive sign of intent.
I wasn't.

Ahem.

A goal scoring centre forward with a decent fitness record and the club showing some intent.
Yes please.


LMFAO or whatever the kids say these days.

Oops
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 25, 2017, 06:53:02 PM
Can't you just pop down TV. Not that far from you is he? Tell him we've all fucked up once or twice. it'll be fine.

Actually funnily enough I'll be going to Chicago a lot more for work in the near future. I'll stop by and tell him it will be ok and to just own it LOL. You're right we've all fucked up on here but that one's a bit good!
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Clark W Griswold on January 25, 2017, 06:57:49 PM
Childish I know but can't we change the thread title from Ross McCormack - confirmed to Ross McCormack - cockend
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Ian J on January 25, 2017, 07:00:06 PM
Childish I know but can't we change the thread title from Ross McCormack - confirmed to Ross McCormack - cockend
I would have thought 'McCormack Confined' would be better
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Clark W Griswold on January 25, 2017, 07:03:43 PM
Childish I know but can't we change the thread title from Ross McCormack - confirmed to Ross McCormack - cockend
I would have thought 'McCormack Confined' would be better

Ha Ha - agreed :-)

Someone needs to sort it.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 25, 2017, 07:34:11 PM
He does look a very good player at this level

Tho I agree he does seem to play in the positions that ayew and grealish want to play. Not sure what you do there - ayew in the 9 position? That's not where he's played pre season

Also, not sure if he's match fit for Saturday as he's barely played pre season

Still want a mobile number 9 tho that will leave us w some difficult choices in attack
i have to admit I know very little about him, does he actually play off the striker? The clips I have seen,he seems to be in the centre forward position.
oh yeh right
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: The Laughing Policeman on January 25, 2017, 08:12:02 PM
Can't we flog him to Sunderland? Then he could team up with the trouser tweeter. They'd make a nice couple.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 25, 2017, 10:09:45 PM
He does look a very good player at this level

Tho I agree he does seem to play in the positions that ayew and grealish want to play. Not sure what you do there - ayew in the 9 position? That's not where he's played pre season

Also, not sure if he's match fit for Saturday as he's barely played pre season

Still want a mobile number 9 tho that will leave us w some difficult choices in attack
i have to admit I know very little about him, does he actually play off the striker? The clips I have seen,he seems to be in the centre forward position.
oh yeh right

I think you're being really brave.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: passport1 on January 25, 2017, 11:05:11 PM
I never understand fans enthusiasm about new signings when they know next to nothing about them. I comment on them when I've seen them usually.

I have to say McCormack has been a crock of shit though.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Ad@m on January 25, 2017, 11:24:48 PM
I never understand fans enthusiasm about new signings when they know next to nothing about them. I comment on them when I've seen them usually.

I have to say McCormack has been a crock of shit though.

I guess after the last few years we've endured the prospect of a 20 goal a season striker was always going to stir the loins.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: auntiesledd on January 26, 2017, 11:45:37 AM
I never understand fans enthusiasm about new signings when they know next to nothing about them. I comment on them when I've seen them usually.

I have to say McCormack has been a crock of shit though.

I guess after the last few years we've endured the prospect of a 20 goal a season striker was always going to stir the loins.

Aye, 'tis the stir the loins before the swift 'n' brutal kick in the knackers routine innit.

Classic Villa.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: PeterWithe on January 26, 2017, 11:51:41 AM
According to the Daily Mail QPR want him on loan but cant match his current wages.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: peter w on January 26, 2017, 11:53:46 AM
well they can fuck off then.

I'll try that next time I'm in the shops - yes I fancy that bread dripping but I can't afford it - can i just have it please?
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Diablo on January 26, 2017, 11:55:22 AM
With the arrival of a midfield I wonder if he may get his shit together and actually work his way back into the team and start performing? There's no doubt on song he could be a real asset. Big if's I know.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: auntiesledd on January 26, 2017, 12:01:22 PM
According to the Daily Mail QPR want him on loan but cant match his current wages.

Crivens! I'm really surprised to hear that. I mean, it's not like us to stick a feckless, lazy barsteward on a massive wage is it?
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Mister E on January 26, 2017, 01:32:33 PM
Look at this for a reference to our Ross

https://www.theguardian.com/football/picture/2017/jan/24/david-squires-on-football-in-the-age-of-president-trump

Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: mr underhill on January 26, 2017, 02:38:35 PM
only in The Guardian could you combine a president who has been in office for five minutes and a Chumps League footballer who has been taking the piss for considerably longer.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: footyskillz on January 26, 2017, 02:48:52 PM
With the arrival of a midfield I wonder if he may get his shit together and actually work his way back into the team and start performing? There's no doubt on song he could be a real asset. Big if's I know.
I like that idea but I feel weary. This is because  he's in  the way a lot on the pitch and when not in the way he's not delivered effectively.  What I mean by in the way- the space he takes up.  Now with midfielders coming and to nurture Grealish there isnt room for him  especially on how villa will be set up . I think he knows this and was more valued then would be more merry in attitude to training
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Diablo on January 26, 2017, 05:35:20 PM
With the arrival of a midfield I wonder if he may get his shit together and actually work his way back into the team and start performing? There's no doubt on song he could be a real asset. Big if's I know.
I like that idea but I feel weary. This is because  he's in  the way a lot on the pitch and when not in the way he's not delivered effectively.  What I mean by in the way- the space he takes up.  Now with midfielders coming and to nurture Grealish there isnt room for him  especially on how villa will be set up . I think he knows this and was more valued then would be more merry in attitude to training

Sadly I think you may be right Footyskillz. Not sure if Bruce's plan is to nurture/develop Grealish (you'd hope so) but equally I hope with a functioning midfield (better players asking more questions of the opposition) we'll see the best of Grealish too. I'd not really considered the Grealish situation (more so the fact that we have a potential 20 goals a season man being an absolute bellend and seemingly not able to scale a knee high wall, going to waste). I do wonder if RM is having some other issues besides modern footballer syndrome?
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: achilles on January 26, 2017, 05:39:23 PM
Quite honestly with our new attack minded midfield the old RM would be brilliant but unfortunately I just don't see it happening now!
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: KRS on January 26, 2017, 05:46:53 PM
He's hardly shown any quality so far and arguably surplus to requirements now. Get him out on loan so he's in the shop window for the summer. I'd rather Jack, Green or Ayew get game time ahead of this fat waster.

edit: seriously though...with the 3 new signings, Grealish, Green, Ayew, Kodjia, Adoma, *cough* Gabby *cough* and potentially another forward coming in, I just don't see how RMC even gets close to the starting XI (avoided the temptation of fat bloke fitting in joke).
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: in exile on January 27, 2017, 04:44:06 PM
Sorry if it's already been mentioned but McCormack is training the U23's.
Good news that his gates are working though
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: brontebilly on January 27, 2017, 05:24:55 PM
With the arrival of a midfield I wonder if he may get his shit together and actually work his way back into the team and start performing? There's no doubt on song he could be a real asset. Big if's I know.

Not the kind of character we need around the club though, likely the reason he never succeeded to make the top division or international level (or even a competitive second division team for that matter?)

Id be stunned if he managed to work his way back into favour under Bruce
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: mr underhill on January 27, 2017, 09:11:22 PM
Might as well change his surname to McFucked of McFucked
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: class-of-82 on January 27, 2017, 09:28:58 PM
Or change his name to bigmack with extra fries or mackflurry
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 27, 2017, 09:33:39 PM
Sorry if it's already been mentioned but McCormack is training the U23's.
Good news that his gates are working though

Didn't know he had his coaching badges. Or that UEFA gave them out for pie eating.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: in exile on January 28, 2017, 09:34:12 AM
Sorry if it's already been mentioned but McCormack is training the U23's.
Good news that his gates are working though

Didn't know he had his coaching badges. Or that UEFA gave them out for pie eating.

Oh come on, I only missed one word out.
That's pretty good for me!
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: footyskillz on January 28, 2017, 10:24:26 AM
Sorry if it's already been mentioned but McCormack is training the U23's.
Good news that his gates are working though

Didn't know he had his coaching badges. Or that UEFA gave them out for pie eating.

Oh come on, I only missed one word out.
That's pretty good for me!

Give pws that - it was a scarily  good one. 
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: auntiesledd on January 28, 2017, 12:20:58 PM
Sorry if it's already been mentioned but McCormack is training the U23's.
Good news that his gates are working though

But probably not so good for the poor sods in the U23's.  :o
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: OCD on January 28, 2017, 02:29:24 PM
Look kids - this is what happens when you think you've made it and become Billy Big Bollocks.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: mr underhill on January 28, 2017, 02:59:20 PM
And then Ross says : 'wad are ewes lookin' at yer soft bastards. I'm dead fat me - I drink loadsa beer and smurk tabs. Away and shite ya faries.'
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: brentastonb6 on January 28, 2017, 11:57:15 PM
Look kids - this is what happens when you think you've made it and become Billy Big Bollocks.
Unfortunately OCD he has, not in the trophy cabinet variety but in the Bank of Fatistan. Have his transfers been worth over £30m ? His share of these ? His wages over his career ?
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: OCD on January 29, 2017, 12:30:51 AM
The thing is most top flight footballers will earn enough money to set themselves up for life. If, as kids, the idea of earning big money is all they dream of, they're very unlikely to ever make it.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: adrenachrome on January 31, 2017, 12:40:06 AM
Sky Sports (http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11677/10749583/ross-mccormack-must-say-sorry-for-conduct-at-aston-villa-says-steve-bruce)

Quote
Ross McCormack must say sorry for conduct at Aston Villa, says Steve Bruce

By PA Sport

Last Updated: 31/01/17 12:11am

Aston Villa have had no enquiries about Ross McCormack - and Steve Bruce says he will remain an outcast until he apologises.

Villa are willing to listen to offers for the former Fulham forward, who has struggled to settle in the Midlands, but so far have not received any bids.

Earlier in January, McCormack failed show up for training after claiming the gates at his home would not open.

McCormack is currently training with Villa's U23 squad and will continue to do so until he changes his ways, according to his manager.

Bruce said: "I haven't heard anything. It's up to Ross to apologise and admit he's done something wrong. He has to apologise to me and the team. If that happens we will get on with it.

"Up until that happens, the ball is in his court. I've had no phone calls from him so unless that changes in the 24 hours....There's been no reaction from him so far.

"My speaking about him publicly was measured, I knew it was coming. The press had the story, so I will tell the truth. It was no calculated gamble. I had to have my version out there."

Asked about the likelihood of McCormack still being a Villa player beyond Tuesday's transfer deadline, Bruce said: "He could still be here on Wednesday.

"If he apologises, then I'll look at it and see on merit then. But until he admits his behaviour was unacceptable then the situation will stay the same. He's still with the 23s, although I call it the reserves."


In passing, I note with interest that when SB noticed  on his arrival at BH that Gabriel was training with the Under 23s, he called them "the kids" and not "the reserves". 
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: footyskillz on January 31, 2017, 02:25:13 AM
Sky Sports (http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11677/10749583/ross-mccormack-must-say-sorry-for-conduct-at-aston-villa-says-steve-bruce)

Quote
Ross McCormack must say sorry for conduct at Aston Villa, says Steve Bruce

By PA Sport

Last Updated: 31/01/17 12:11am

Aston Villa have had no enquiries about Ross McCormack - and Steve Bruce says he will remain an outcast until he apologises.

Villa are willing to listen to offers for the former Fulham forward, who has struggled to settle in the Midlands, but so far have not received any bids.

Earlier in January, McCormack failed show up for training after claiming the gates at his home would not open.

McCormack is currently training with Villa's U23 squad and will continue to do so until he changes his ways, according to his manager.

Bruce said: "I haven't heard anything. It's up to Ross to apologise and admit he's done something wrong. He has to apologise to me and the team. If that happens we will get on with it.

"Up until that happens, the ball is in his court. I've had no phone calls from him so unless that changes in the 24 hours....There's been no reaction from him so far.

"My speaking about him publicly was measured, I knew it was coming. The press had the story, so I will tell the truth. It was no calculated gamble. I had to have my version out there."

Asked about the likelihood of McCormack still being a Villa player beyond Tuesday's transfer deadline, Bruce said: "He could still be here on Wednesday.

"If he apologises, then I'll look at it and see on merit then. But until he admits his behaviour was unacceptable then the situation will stay the same. He's still with the 23s, although I call it the reserves."


In passing, I note with interest that when SB noticed  on his arrival at BH that Gabriel was training with the Under 23s, he called them "the kids" and not "the reserves".
Just to be clear  this is Bruce's push to get him out the door. Washing his hands of him but in calculated way -clever ! McCormack not accepting his actions and apologising is a clear message on many levels.

It shows villa won't be a soft touch club .
It indicates measure of mccormack continued attitude.
He's basically been pillaged here and as i said it's just a come and take him off us plea.
It's made into a say sorry so McCormack either knuckles down or goes !
He's already been outed by Fulham players to be disruptive so not sure he's got much of a friend in media
Good  luck to his agent !
Ross unlucky you're not bigger than villa
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on January 31, 2017, 06:50:15 AM
I would prefer it if he apologised and worked hard to get back into the team.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on January 31, 2017, 07:16:50 AM
We are in a no win situation

Sb was right to do what he did but mcfuckso can now sit on his fat arse and take his money home in a wheelbarrow
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Newby on January 31, 2017, 09:24:19 AM
I would prefer it if he apologised and worked hard to get back into the team.

Me too. He could be useful if he gets the lard off.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: brian green on January 31, 2017, 09:33:49 AM
The only straw to clutch at with regard to McCormack is that he has never been called out by anybody like Steve Bruce.  There is an outside chance that the shock of his humiliation might make him change his ways. However, to paraphrase the other fat serial piss taker, Dosserz gonna Doss, so don't hold your breath.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 31, 2017, 09:36:17 AM
The only straw to clutch at with regard to McCormack is that he has never been called out by anybody like Steve Bruce.  There is an outside chance that the shock of his humiliation might make him change his ways. However, to paraphrase the other fat serial piss taker, Dosserz gonna Doss, so don't hold your breath.


The fact there has been no apology after 10 days does not bode well on him making a comeback
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: brian green on January 31, 2017, 09:53:35 AM
Agree VM.  Looks like Mr McCormack sees himself as the victim of the authoritarian club and it's bullying manager.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: CJ on January 31, 2017, 09:54:10 AM
The only straw to clutch at with regard to McCormack is that he has never been called out by anybody like Steve Bruce.  There is an outside chance that the shock of his humiliation might make him change his ways. However, to paraphrase the other fat serial piss taker, Dosserz gonna Doss, so don't hold your breath.

The fact there has been no apology after 10 days does not bode well on him making a comeback

Agree completely. I think his relationship with SB is damaged beyond repair on his part having been called out publicly, otherwise he'd have apologised and got his head down. I think he's now angling for a move but without risking losing a 'loyalty' fee by putting in a transfer request. The real worry is who's going to take him after repeatedly not turning up for training, thinking he's bigger than the club/manager, and by all accounts being a disruptive influence when he was at Fulham. Ironically I think SB has got the players in this window who could create more chances for McCormack to get back to the goalscoring he enjoyed elsewhere, but I think we're now stuck with a very expensive mistake and he'll just train with the stiffs and trouser his money for the foreseeable future.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: brian green on January 31, 2017, 10:03:51 AM
And win the Charles N'Zogbia Trophy for Lack of Self Respect every year for the next four years.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: aev on January 31, 2017, 10:10:58 AM
And win the Charles N'Zogbia Trophy for Lack of Self Respect every year for the next four years.

Where is the Zog? Did he join Sunderland?
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Villan For Life on January 31, 2017, 10:17:47 AM
SSN reporting that according to sources "close to the player", there are a couple of loan deals on the table. Amongst the pies, the deep fried Mars bars and cans of Tenants Super no doubt.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: CJ on January 31, 2017, 10:27:23 AM
And win the Charles N'Zogbia Trophy for Lack of Self Respect every year for the next four years.

Where is the Zog? Did he join Sunderland?

Went there on trial but - surprisingly - failed to impress so wasn't offered a contract. Don't know where he ended up after that
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Newby on January 31, 2017, 10:31:06 AM
I thought Zog had kind of retired due to a heart condition?
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Old Kodjia on January 31, 2017, 11:52:20 AM
Sky reporting that Forest are in for him.

That will obviously be a loan.

I'm getting pretty P'd off with all of these loans-The value of a players contract decreases as his contract gets shorter.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Risso on January 31, 2017, 11:53:38 AM
Sky reporting that Forest are in for him.

That will obviously be a loan.

I'm getting pretty P'd off with all of these loans-The value of a players contract decreases as his contract gets shorter.

At least it gets his wages paid by somebody else. 
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Clark W Griswold on January 31, 2017, 12:08:07 PM
Sky reporting that Forest are in for him.

That will obviously be a loan.

I'm getting pretty P'd off with all of these loans-The value of a players contract decreases as his contract gets shorter.

At least it gets his wages paid by somebody else.

Might only be partly, but at least the silly bastard will be out of the dressing room. Him and Bentner would provide them with stereo sulking up front.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: aev on January 31, 2017, 12:16:41 PM
And if he plays and scores we will probably command some sort of fee at the end of the season.

The tubby rotter.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: mr underhill on January 31, 2017, 12:18:19 PM
he'd better! not one of our finest moments.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Chris Jameson on January 31, 2017, 12:24:57 PM
Sky reporting that Forest are in for him.

That will obviously be a loan.

I'm getting pretty P'd off with all of these loans-The value of a players contract decreases as his contract gets shorter.

If that's the case we should insist he plays against us on Saturday.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: maidstonevillain on January 31, 2017, 12:33:50 PM
Sky reporting that Forest are in for him.

That will obviously be a loan.

I'm getting pretty P'd off with all of these loans-The value of a players contract decreases as his contract gets shorter.

Their value will also dcrease if they are not playing. At least someone else can pick up the wages.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: TheMalandro on January 31, 2017, 12:35:04 PM
SSN reporting that according to sauces "close to the player", there are a couple of Big Mac meals on the table.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 31, 2017, 12:36:14 PM
Can we please ensure that all gates are unlocked and all traffic lights are green so he can make the journey to Nottingham successfully.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Dribbler on January 31, 2017, 12:39:07 PM
I thought Zog had kind of retired due to a heart condition?

I think he had what's called 'Wizard of Oz Syndrome', and somehow through brief acts of illusion managed to play for years with no heart, brain or courage.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: TheMalandro on January 31, 2017, 12:39:27 PM
I look forward to seeing the size of him when he finds the Red smokehouse in Nottingham.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: robbo1874 on January 31, 2017, 12:54:33 PM
The only straw to clutch at with regard to McCormack is that he has never been called out by anybody like Steve Bruce.  There is an outside chance that the shock of his humiliation might make him change his ways. However, to paraphrase the other fat serial piss taker, Dosserz gonna Doss, so don't hold your breath.
need some Tunes Brian?
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Mister E on January 31, 2017, 01:31:35 PM
Sell him to Brentford ...
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on January 31, 2017, 01:46:43 PM
If he does go to forest we will be paying 75% of his wages
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: in exile on January 31, 2017, 03:39:43 PM
If he does go to forest we will be paying 75% of his wages

Well, I object to Villa paying 100% of them.
Is there an option for them to buy him after the loan deal?
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: brian green on January 31, 2017, 03:48:32 PM
Robin Hood Prince of Pies.  I would pay to watch it.  Can our hero escape from the dungeon of Nottingham Castle?
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 31, 2017, 03:48:51 PM
If he does go to forest we will be paying 75% of his wages

i suppose it saves 10k a week and keeps a sulky influence out of the picture
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on January 31, 2017, 03:51:27 PM
If he does go to forest we will be paying 75% of his wages

i suppose it saves 10k a week and keeps a sulky influence out of the picture
Plus, they get him fit and into the shop window.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: TheMalandro on January 31, 2017, 03:58:51 PM
Robin Hood Prince of Pies.  I would pay to watch it.  Can our hero escape from the dungeon of Nottingham Castle?

Fried Tucker
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: footyskillz on January 31, 2017, 04:03:23 PM
Robin Hood Prince of Pies.  I would pay to watch it.  Can our hero escape from the dungeon of Nottingham Castle?

Fried Tucker

Malandro ! The man ! Haha quite brilliant!
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: KRS on January 31, 2017, 04:04:03 PM
"The race to sign Ross McCormack intensifies" according to SSN.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: brian green on January 31, 2017, 04:05:31 PM
Malandro certainly is The Man.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: clash city rocker on January 31, 2017, 04:07:56 PM
Will he need a medical if he goes to another club on loan. I take it he didn't have a medical when he signed for us.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: brian green on January 31, 2017, 04:29:23 PM
He will have a zonal medical.  One doctor to examine his arse (big/huge/colossal/who turned the light off -delete as appropriate) another for his belly, a couple for the limbs and a zero hours job seeker for his head.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: LukeJames on January 31, 2017, 04:31:41 PM
His gates will probably need a medical as well.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: damon loves JT on January 31, 2017, 04:34:04 PM
Will he need a medical if he goes to another club on loan. I take it he didn't have a medical when he signed for us.

It was with Weightwatchers. Everyone clapped and told him he'd done ever so well
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Jimbo on January 31, 2017, 04:47:57 PM
Will he need a medical if he goes to another club on loan. I take it he didn't have a medical when he signed for us.

It was with Weightwatchers. Everyone clapped and told him he'd done ever so well

Should have called Gatewatchers.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on January 31, 2017, 05:13:51 PM
I am not a lawyer so maybe someone can educate me, why are player actions like these not breach of contract?
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on January 31, 2017, 05:17:55 PM
If he does go to forest we will be paying 75% of his wages

i suppose it saves 10k a week and keeps a sulky influence out of the picture

Our poorest buy by far, too much money and too long a deal

we cant win either way, keep him at 40k a week and not play him or loan at 30k and get the c*** out of the way

i think a loan is the best option
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: LeeB on January 31, 2017, 05:24:49 PM
Will he need a medical if he goes to another club on loan. I take it he didn't have a medical when he signed for us.

It was with Weightwatchers. Everyone clapped and told him he'd done ever so well

Should have called Gatewatchers.

We should have known something was up when he signed, and instead of stretching the shirt, he stretched the oversize trousers he was wearing out in front of him.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: UK Redsox on January 31, 2017, 05:27:18 PM
Matt Le God on Twitter

I can confirm ive turned down an offer from china! Was interested but couldnt climb my leccy gates to sign the contract! 😂😂 #modernfootball
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: teamvillage on January 31, 2017, 05:52:44 PM
I am not a lawyer so maybe someone can educate me, why are player actions like these not breach of contract?

It might well be breach of contract, but I doubt we want to tear up aforementioned contract. Suing him for damages would likely be even more counter-productive (and we'd struggle to sign a decent player ever again).
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on January 31, 2017, 06:13:20 PM
I am not a lawyer so maybe someone can educate me, why are player actions like these not breach of contract?

It might well be breach of contract, but I doubt we want to tear up aforementioned contract. Suing him for damages would likely be even more counter-productive (and we'd struggle to sign a decent player ever again).

Fair point.  I don't mean to belittle the amount of effort football players put in but FFS, showing up to work at 10:30 each morning for a few hours is not a high bar. I wouldn't want a player to sign for us who was put off by the fact we might hold him to it.

Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: TheMalandro on January 31, 2017, 07:11:05 PM
Get the orange dot out, we need Jimmy Krankie gone.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 31, 2017, 07:19:15 PM
Forrest are giving a full debut to a teenage striker this evening which suggests that they could do with an extra striker.

Not sure there's much benefit in loaning him though, other than maintaining his value albeit (possibly) at the expense of our league position.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: auntiesledd on January 31, 2017, 07:32:33 PM
Forrest are giving a full debut to a teenage striker this evening which suggests that they could do with an extra striker.

Not sure there's much benefit in loaning him though, other than maintaining his value albeit (possibly) at the expense of our league position.

The Brum Mail saying that McBloater is, funnily enough, on his way to Forest on loan.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: VillaAlways on January 31, 2017, 09:33:57 PM
Having medical at Forest
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: villabear on January 31, 2017, 09:35:39 PM
Having medical at Forest

How much is that costing us in wages I wonder?
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Newby on January 31, 2017, 10:46:23 PM
Good job he can't play on Saturday, he'd probably get a hat trick.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: ktvillan on February 01, 2017, 12:00:53 AM
Will the medical involve testing ability to get over a gate?
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: passport1 on February 01, 2017, 12:03:39 AM
I heard the Sky commentator say SB will be pleased "the gate has closed on January"
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 01, 2017, 12:05:53 AM
I reckon his medical involves making him sit and stay, while the trainer puts a cake down in front of him.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: passport1 on February 01, 2017, 12:11:54 AM
Having medical at Forest

How much is that costing us in wages I wonder?

We have to supply his body weight in Ginsters every week.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 01, 2017, 12:18:13 AM
Having medical at Forest

How much is that costing us in wages I wonder?

We have to supply his body weight in Ginsters every week.

Ginsters don't make that many pasties.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: Diablo on February 01, 2017, 12:21:03 AM
Loan at Forest confirmed according to the BBC and yes it went through at 00.09 lol
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed loan to Forest
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 01, 2017, 12:22:35 AM
Quote
Ross McCormack has joined Nottingham Forest on loan.

McCormack heads to the City Ground until the end of the season.

The 30-year-old, who joined us this past summer from Fulham, has made 22 appearances and scored three goals.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed
Post by: West Derby Villan on February 01, 2017, 12:23:22 AM
Just feel that he could have been "the man"
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed loan to Forest
Post by: QuintonVilla on February 01, 2017, 12:31:46 AM
All jokes aside I've just seen the picture of him holding the Forest shirt and he looks unwell. He looks gaunt in the face and looks ill to me.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed loan to Forest
Post by: TheMalandro on February 01, 2017, 04:10:59 AM
All jokes aside I've just seen the picture of him holding the Forest shirt and he looks unwell. He looks gaunt in the face and looks ill to me.

Scots look like that in winter.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed loan to Forest
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on February 01, 2017, 04:28:39 AM
How incredibly dissapointing he chose to go on loan rather than try and make amends with the club. Sigh.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed loan to Forest
Post by: mr underhill on February 01, 2017, 04:53:38 AM
A microcosum of the club's malaise in recent years. There's a bad star anchored over VP
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed loan to Forest
Post by: sid1964 on February 01, 2017, 06:59:41 AM
Best of luck Ross, I hope that all goes well for you at Forest, shame that it did not work out for you at the Villa, may be next season you will show us what made us pay £12 million for you!!!
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed loan to Forest
Post by: eamonn on February 02, 2017, 06:56:55 PM
Big Mac bites back: http://m.bbc.com/sport/football/38846212
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed loan to Forest
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 02, 2017, 07:01:37 PM
He needs to shut the fuck up because he is looking like a prize twat. You'd think he lived in Rapunzel's tower the way he describes being trapped.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed loan to Forest
Post by: cdward on February 02, 2017, 07:05:54 PM
There's his side of the story, the truth is in the middle somewhere.
Bottom line is Bruce obviously doesn't rate him, and he has been replaced, same as Tshibola.
Hope he does well, but I hope Scott Hogan does better.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed loan to Forest
Post by: Mister E on February 02, 2017, 07:07:01 PM
Best of luck Ross, I hope that all goes well for you at Forest, shame that it did not work out for you at the Villa, may be next season you will show us what made us pay £12 million for you!!!
This is the right approach - he's still our asset at the moment.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed loan to Forest
Post by: KRS on February 02, 2017, 07:23:45 PM
Big Mac bites back: http://m.bbc.com/sport/football/38846212
Well he also seems to be eating a bit of humble pie so may be this loan move will give him a much needed kick up the arse and help put his career in some kind of perspective:
Quote
"I've still got three and a half years left on my contract, so I'll be going back to Aston Villa at the end of the season and we'll take it from there.

"All the criticism, the fat, the fitness and all that - it's ludicrous. I'm 4-5kgs lighter than when I got in the team last year at Fulham.

"But I'm big enough and definitely ugly enough to take it. When I have played, personally I have not been good enough. Now it's up to to me to come out and do what I've been doing over the past four or five years."
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed loan to Forest
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on February 02, 2017, 07:34:21 PM
Best of luck Ross, I hope that all goes well for you at Forest, shame that it did not work out for you at the Villa, may be next season you will show us what made us pay £12 million for you!!!
This is the right approach - he's still our asset at the moment.

Agreed. He's more than honest to admit his performances have been poor. If he wants to have a decent end to his career he needs to sort his act out and soon. Hopefully it's the wake up call he needs, it works out for him at Forest and he returns as the player we thought we'd signed.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed loan to Forest
Post by: TB on February 02, 2017, 07:45:05 PM
"I've still got three and a half years left on my contract, so I'll be going back to Aston Villa at the end of the season and we'll take it from there."

Hoping for another manager next season, or a more reliable electrical gate?
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed loan to Forest
Post by: TheTimVilla on February 02, 2017, 09:37:33 PM
Best of luck Ross, I hope that all goes well for you at Forest, shame that it did not work out for you at the Villa, may be next season you will show us what made us pay £12 million for you!!!
This is the right approach - he's still our asset at the moment.

Agreed. He's more than honest to admit his performances have been poor. If he wants to have a decent end to his career he needs to sort his act out and soon. Hopefully it's the wake up call he needs, it works out for him at Forest and he returns as the player we thought we'd signed.

Agreed. Are we paying any of his salary or did Forest take all of it on?
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed loan to Forest
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on February 02, 2017, 09:53:38 PM
Big Mac bites back: http://m.bbc.com/sport/football/38846212
Well he also seems to be eating a bit of humble pie so may be this loan move will give him a much needed kick up the arse and help put his career in some kind of perspective:
Quote
"I've still got three and a half years left on my contract, so I'll be going back to Aston Villa at the end of the season and we'll take it from there.

"All the criticism, the fat, the fitness and all that - it's ludicrous. I'm 4-5kgs lighter than when I got in the team last year at Fulham.

"But I'm big enough and definitely ugly enough to take it. When I have played, personally I have not been good enough. Now it's up to to me to come out and do what I've been doing over the past four or five years."

Well it was up to you to do that the past couple of months Ross. You didnt need to choose to go on loan to do that. You could have apologised and knuckled down here.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed loan to Forest
Post by: eamonn on February 02, 2017, 10:00:21 PM
Best of luck Ross, I hope that all goes well for you at Forest, shame that it did not work out for you at the Villa, may be next season you will show us what made us pay £12 million for you!!!
This is the right approach - he's still our asset at the moment.

Agreed. He's more than honest to admit his performances have been poor. If he wants to have a decent end to his career he needs to sort his act out and soon. Hopefully it's the wake up call he needs, it works out for him at Forest and he returns as the player we thought we'd signed.

Agreed. Are we paying any of his salary or did Forest take all of it on?

According to a tweet from Alan(?) Nixon, the journalist who often seems to put himself out there as being in the know on Villa matters, McCormack is being paid £30k a week by Forest alone.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed loan to Forest
Post by: OCD on February 02, 2017, 10:15:26 PM
Good to see he's held his hands up. If he could get his attitude right and get back to the sort of form he's shown in the past, he could still be a useful player next season.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed loan to Forest
Post by: PeterWithe on February 02, 2017, 10:20:29 PM
Good to see he's accepted that he hasn't played as well as he should have. Next step to accept his fitness isn't up to snuff, he IS too fat.

He really hasn't looked fit or sharp all season, Forest can't afford him so if he comes back in a decent level of fitness then maybe all is not lost.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed loan to Forest
Post by: TheMalandro on February 03, 2017, 04:51:40 AM
"I think it went through one minute before 11pm. I heard that there was interest in the afternoon, but it seemed as though it was dead, because nobody could reach an agreement with Aston Villa.

"I thought nothing was going to happen, so I went for a sleep – and when I woke up I had a few missed calls.

"It was probably around 7pm that I got a message asking me to go to the training ground. It was about 9.30pm when I got to Forest and it was a rush to get things through"

Transfer deadline day and he has a little afternoon nap.

Frustrating, if he'd not had gate gate, I imagine the club would've sold him.
I hope we don't see him at Villa again.

Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed loan to Forest
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on February 03, 2017, 06:32:18 AM
"I thought nothing was going to happen, so I went for a sleep – and when I woke up I had a few missed calls.

"It was probably around 7pm that I got a message asking me to go to the training ground. It was about 9.30pm when I got to Forest and it was a rush to get things through"

Transfer deadline day and he has a little afternoon nap.

Bloody hell.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed loan to Forest
Post by: Ian J on February 03, 2017, 07:18:31 AM
He sounds as laid back and relaxed as a fucking hobbit.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed loan to Forest
Post by: brian green on February 03, 2017, 07:23:23 AM
I don't want to see him back.  To simply admit the blindingly obvious that he has played badly is not enough to make any kind of exception for him.  We have been obliged to hold our noses and watch Gabby be allowed to behave as though he never did anything particularly wrong.  Yes he did.
If we are ever to put these horrible times behind us there must be player discipline, there must be respect by the players for the manager, for the club, for other players and for themselves and above all there must be team spirit.  None of those things are remotely achieved by a player who has refused to train toying with a sliver of humble pie.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed loan to Forest
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on February 03, 2017, 07:32:10 AM
He sounds as laid back and relaxed as a fucking hobbit.

I lolled.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed loan to Forest
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on February 03, 2017, 07:55:15 AM
Best of luck Ross, I hope that all goes well for you at Forest, shame that it did not work out for you at the Villa, may be next season you will show us what made us pay £12 million for you!!!
This is the right approach - he's still our asset at the moment.

Agreed. He's more than honest to admit his performances have been poor. If he wants to have a decent end to his career he needs to sort his act out and soon. Hopefully it's the wake up call he needs, it works out for him at Forest and he returns as the player we thought we'd signed.

Agreed. Are we paying any of his salary or did Forest take all of it on?

According to a tweet from Alan(?) Nixon, the journalist who often seems to put himself out there as being in the know on Villa matters, McCormack is being paid £30k a week by Forest alone.

I thought forest had a limit on what they could pay. They couldnt pay more than 10k a week for gardner
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed loan to Forest
Post by: TheMalandro on February 03, 2017, 08:25:05 AM
Best of luck Ross, I hope that all goes well for you at Forest, shame that it did not work out for you at the Villa, may be next season you will show us what made us pay £12 million for you!!!
This is the right approach - he's still our asset at the moment.

Agreed. He's more than honest to admit his performances have been poor. If he wants to have a decent end to his career he needs to sort his act out and soon. Hopefully it's the wake up call he needs, it works out for him at Forest and he returns as the player we thought we'd signed.

Agreed. Are we paying any of his salary or did Forest take all of it on?

According to a tweet from Alan(?) Nixon, the journalist who often seems to put himself out there as being in the know on Villa matters, McCormack is being paid £30k a week by Forest alone.

I thought forest had a limit on what they could pay. They couldnt pay more than 10k a week for gardner

I don't think we pay that, that's why the last guy went to Paris.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed loan to Forest
Post by: Nelson Lodge on February 03, 2017, 04:15:25 PM
The ex Palace bloke Simon Jordan has had a go at RM on Twitter. Called him a "lazy slob".

Also mentions the obvious that electronic gates have an override so the gates can be opened manually in the event of a system failure.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed loan to Forest
Post by: TheMalandro on February 03, 2017, 04:35:48 PM
The ex Palace bloke Simon Jordan has had a go at RM on Twitter. Called him a "lazy slob".

Also mentions the obvious that electronic gates have an override so the gates can be opened manually in the event of a system failure.

Please don't give me a reason to like him.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed loan to Forest
Post by: chrisw1 on February 03, 2017, 04:38:51 PM
Simon Jordan.  What's that word that springs to mind?  Oh yes, that's it - c***.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed loan to Forest
Post by: KRS on February 03, 2017, 04:41:15 PM
The ex Palace bloke Simon Jordan has had a go at RM on Twitter. Called him a "lazy slob".

Also mentions the obvious that electronic gates have an override so the gates can be opened manually in the event of a system failure.
You can't expect a professional footballer to know anything about a manual override for an electronic gate...they can barely manage to wipe their own arses these days ffs.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed loan to Forest
Post by: LeeB on February 03, 2017, 06:55:09 PM
Simon Jordan.  What's that word that springs to mind?  Oh yes, that's it - c***.

In the last couple of weeks he's labelled the bog-eyes a 'scummy club', said the area needs us back in the top division and has now called out McCormack for what he is.

He's going right up in my estimation.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed loan to Forest
Post by: brian green on February 03, 2017, 07:05:14 PM
Who are the bog eyes?
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed loan to Forest
Post by: dave shelley on February 03, 2017, 07:08:18 PM
Who are the bog eyes?

C'mon Brian, you're better than that.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed loan to Forest
Post by: The Man With A Stick on February 03, 2017, 07:16:00 PM
"I think it went through one minute before 11pm. I heard that there was interest in the afternoon, but it seemed as though it was dead, because nobody could reach an agreement with Aston Villa.

"I thought nothing was going to happen, so I went for a sleep – and when I woke up I had a few missed calls.

"It was probably around 7pm that I got a message asking me to go to the training ground. It was about 9.30pm when I got to Forest and it was a rush to get things through"

Transfer deadline day and he has a little afternoon nap.

Frustrating, if he'd not had gate gate, I imagine the club would've sold him.
I hope we don't see him at Villa again.



When he says "sleep" he actually means "boatil ay Buckfast".
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed loan to Forest
Post by: montague on February 03, 2017, 07:24:43 PM
The ex Palace bloke Simon Jordan has had a go at RM on Twitter. Called him a "lazy slob".

Also mentions the obvious that electronic gates have an override so the gates can be opened manually in the event of a system failure.

Please don't give me a reason to like him.

His rants at the previous owners of our neighbours made him quite likeable for me
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed loan to Forest
Post by: Diablo on February 03, 2017, 07:26:39 PM
Who are the bog eyes?

C'mon Brian, you're better than that.

Think LeeB is referring to this Brian http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-fans-rage-former-12362331
 apologies for the link to the mail
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed loan to Forest
Post by: Chris Jameson on February 04, 2017, 04:09:24 PM
Simon Jordan had a hand in the Specials reforming.

From the Guardian 2009:

The band's founder member, keyboardist and chief songwriter, Jerry Dammers, didn't play at Bestival, but was initially involved in the reunion. Then relations between him and the rest of the band appeared to inexorably sour. Hall suggested that "the door was still open" for him to take part, but Dammers put out a long statement that decried the reunion as "a takeover", involving Hall's friend Simon Jordan, the multi-millionaire former owner of Crystal Palace: the implication being that the tour's primary motivation is money. It went on to claim that Dammers had been "kicked out" of the band he formed, that he had been legally prevented from contacting any members of band, that the other Specials refused to rehearse with him. But the reformed Specials dispute pretty much everything the band's founder now has to say about the reunion. "I've read Jerry's statement and I just don't get it," says Hall, for once looking like someone who might be physically incapable of smiling. "'They're trying to kick me out of the band' - not at all mate, not at all."

Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed loan to Forest
Post by: saunders_heroes on February 04, 2017, 04:25:57 PM
The ex Palace bloke Simon Jordan has had a go at RM on Twitter. Called him a "lazy slob".

Also mentions the obvious that electronic gates have an override so the gates can be opened manually in the event of a system failure.

Please don't give me a reason to like him.

His rants at the previous owners of our neighbours made him quite likeable for me

Me too. They were hilariously spot on and seriously wound up the great unwashed.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed loan to Forest
Post by: brian green on February 04, 2017, 04:39:43 PM
I think you mean Smethwick.  My grandfather, a fairground pugilist of note, with his Villa mate Banjo Saunders used to hide down holes in the road to ambush those I must now call Bog Eyes.  I think.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed loan to Forest
Post by: mr underhill on February 04, 2017, 04:56:25 PM
That reads like a story line from Peaky Blinders Brian
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed loan to Forest
Post by: LeeB on February 05, 2017, 09:58:03 PM
I think you mean Smethwick.  My grandfather, a fairground pugilist of note, with his Villa mate Banjo Saunders used to hide down holes in the road to ambush those I must now call Bog Eyes.  I think.

Brian, I would consider it an honour if you were to adopt the phrase into your lexicon.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed loan to Forest
Post by: Havencheese on February 06, 2017, 07:45:41 AM
I like the way Simon Jordan handled John Bostock after his move to Tottenham years ago for peanuts. He basically banned Bostock and his father (lifelong Palace fans) from Selhurst Park, called him out as greedy and that he was doing damage to his career but making the step precociously. Bostock at the time was seen as the best of their young talent coming through. I think he's been a half decent Ligue 1 at best.

He was right and I respect someone for standing up to greedy modern footballers.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed loan to Forest
Post by: brian green on February 06, 2017, 08:30:31 AM
Moving this thread a hundred years into the present, I was told a very funny story about Jordan and Redknapp, I will ask if I can repeat it.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed loan to Forest
Post by: aev on February 06, 2017, 09:26:28 AM
I like the way Simon Jordan handled John Bostock after his move to Tottenham years ago for peanuts. He basically banned Bostock and his father (lifelong Palace fans) from Selhurst Park, called him out as greedy and that he was doing damage to his career but making the step precociously. Bostock at the time was seen as the best of their young talent coming through. I think he's been a half decent Ligue 1 at best.

He was right and I respect someone for standing up to greedy modern footballers.

Bostock's dad (or perhaps step dad) is a black cab driver and drove me home a while ago. He had some very interesting stories.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed loan to Forest
Post by: mr underhill on February 06, 2017, 11:01:06 AM
are you going to share any of them?
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed loan to Forest
Post by: CT on February 11, 2017, 09:23:04 PM
Apparently when he scored today, he was "shushing the Norwich fans", telling them to be quiet.

His goal made the score 4-1 to Norwich.

I thought we did our due diligence on signing players now? This bloke is lacking any intelligence at all.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed loan to Forest
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 11, 2017, 09:59:44 PM
What is this "scored" you speak of?
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed loan to Forest
Post by: olaftab on February 11, 2017, 10:08:55 PM
Moving this thread a hundred years into the present, I was told a very funny story about Jordan and Redknapp, I will ask if I can repeat it.
Yes go ahead Brian you have our permission- Signed The ADMIN.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed loan to Forest
Post by: Rigadon on February 11, 2017, 11:14:52 PM
What is this "scored" you speak of?

witchcraft

Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed loan to Forest
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on February 11, 2017, 11:55:20 PM
What's that you say?  A player who failed at Villa has started to get his career back on track straight away?  I refuse to believe it.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed loan to Forest
Post by: Comrade Blitz on April 06, 2017, 12:15:38 PM

A sample of what supporters have been saying on a NFFC Forum about McCorFat

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"Better that he's here, than at one of our rivals where he could be playing more regularly and banging in the goals."

"...class players like McCormack ain’t hampered by a bit of extra timber. Works well in tight spaces, economy of movement, picks a pass & clinical finishing. Suits Warburtons style. The weight issue is a myth & he can't provide value for money until he's given game time."

"I don't think Bruce will want McCormack anywhere near his squad again considering how results have gone since he joined us on loan."

"I love that fact that this guy with a track record of having a shit attitude is hailed as some sort of footballing saint by some on here."

Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed loan to Forest
Post by: eamonn on April 06, 2017, 02:28:30 PM
So they're pretty split, I guess a lot of them hoping he'll still come good and help them stay up. Apparently he had flu for the last two games so missed them.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed loan to Forest
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 06, 2017, 04:56:40 PM
He's still got it as he couldn't open his medicine.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed loan to Forest
Post by: UK Redsox on April 19, 2017, 07:39:07 AM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/04/18/ross-mccormackhas-not-reported-training-nottingham-forest-three/

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Ross McCormack’s troubled season has taken a fresh twist after it emerged he has not trained at Nottingham Forest for three weeks.

McCormack, Aston Villa’s £12 million striker, has been unavailable for Forest’s relegation battle due to “personal issues” and is unlikely to play again this season.

It is understood the Scotland international was struggling with an Achilles injury last month but he has not reported for treatment at either Forest or Villa, his parent club.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed loan to Forest
Post by: brian green on April 19, 2017, 07:57:45 AM
If ever a player deserved to be sued for breach of contract it is Ross McCormack.  The case against him is overwhelming.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed loan to Forest
Post by: TheMalandro on April 19, 2017, 07:57:53 AM
I've seen people in very well paid jobs that have been destroyed by relationship failures or addiction.

It's shit luck again for us, another of our big signings but I hope he can find a way forward.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed loan to Forest
Post by: Risso on April 19, 2017, 08:03:21 AM
If ever a player deserved to be sued for breach of contract it is Ross McCormack.  The case against him is overwhelming.

It all depends on what the root cause is Brian.  He might just be a lazy sod who has effectively given up on his career, or there could be an underlying condition like depression or alcoholism.  I'm always a bit to keen to lead the way with the pitchforks, however experience has shown me that it's usually better to see what the facts are before condemning somebody.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed loan to Forest
Post by: brian green on April 19, 2017, 08:24:32 AM
I put the breach of contract option forward because it seems to me, the man on the Clapham omnibus to use the lawyers' quaint phrase, that the pendulum of enforcement of professional footballers' contracts has swung too far in their favour.  If McCormack has medical issues or domestic issues or mental instability issues he should be expected under the terms of his contract to disclose them.  I do not want to know what they are but I am sure Tony Xia who shelled out £12 million plus £55,000 a week ongoing would like to know.

Stanley Matthews was fined a whole  year's wages by Blackpool for sponsoring a brand of football boots and keeping the money.  That is how far, pre Bosman, the pendulum had swung to favour the clubs.  In McCormack and his piss taking ilk we see how far it has gone the other way.  Some brave club needs to do a Bosman.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed loan to Forest
Post by: Three Spires Villa on April 19, 2017, 09:17:42 AM
Sounds like he has got some demons, and more to this than hes lazy. Always think of JG talking about Stan when i see those sorts of comments
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed loan to Forest
Post by: TheMalandro on April 19, 2017, 09:33:08 AM
No other team will take him at the moment, get him back to BMH and find out how the club can help him.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed loan to Forest
Post by: Bren'd on April 19, 2017, 10:47:58 AM
Is there any other business organization that would fail to carry out due diligence on an investment of £12 million before committing?

The criteria in football for players(certainly Villa's) seems to be, Is he any good? is he fit? and maybe, has he got potential?  In McCormack's case just the first 2. 

Shame for the lad if he has got issues and I hope he gets better quickly if that's the case. But really, a little bit of research and looking into his personal life before we make such a commitment you would think would be a given.   
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed loan to Forest
Post by: berneboy on April 19, 2017, 11:26:00 AM
If ever a player deserved to be sued for breach of contract it is Ross McCormack.  The case against him is overwhelming.

It all depends on what the root cause is Brian.  He might just be a lazy sod who has effectively given up on his career, or there could be an underlying condition like depression or alcoholism.  I'm always a bit to keen to lead the way with the pitchforks, however experience has shown me that it's usually better to see what the facts are before condemning somebody.

I agree, Risso. It may be he needs sacking but he could be very ill in one way or another. We don't know.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed loan to Forest
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on April 19, 2017, 11:31:37 AM
I've got an idea.  Recall him and stick him up front against that lot.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed loan to Forest
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on April 19, 2017, 11:41:01 AM
How about Hogan, Gabby and McCormack up front on Sunday? - instead of a flat back four we would have a fat front three !
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed loan to Forest
Post by: The_Rev1 on April 19, 2017, 12:00:40 PM
I wonder if there is some kind of insurance against this? We'd have a claim if he broke his leg and could never play again, if his mental health issues are debilitating to the point where he is unable to continue then could the same kind of coverage exist?  Obviously this would require McCormack deciding he didn't want £48k a week for the next three and a bit years but I'm genuinely curious about how society deals with mental health, there seems to be a bit more public sympathy than there was twenty years ago when JG was slating Collymore in the newspapers but I'm not sure how much has changed legally.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed loan to Forest
Post by: auntiesledd on April 19, 2017, 12:04:16 PM
No other team will take him at the moment, get him back to BMH and find out how the club can help him.

As much as it pains me to say it, I think you're right M. I can't see a case of BOC ever sticking, unfortunately, so the club may as well see if they can get him in a frame of mind to play the game that he's paid so much money for. Rather them than me, mind.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed loan to Forest
Post by: Gareth on April 19, 2017, 12:26:02 PM
Lets not forget on his day there is a good footballer in there, we can speculate what the issues are but you would hope that the club know everything they need to to offer assistance if it's required.

A fully fit and focussed McCormack offers us something we don't have and when it's a 12m fee and 2m+ a year investment both the player and club owe each enough to find a correct outcome.

It's fair to assume no one is going to offer a decent return on the fee so selling him is going to mean taking a huge hit financially, likewise him sitting out his contract is going to be a massive hit so once the underlying issue is dealt with it is imperative that both sides find a way forward that gives both the club and player happiness.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed loan to Forest
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on April 19, 2017, 03:10:39 PM
We're going to sell him in the summer according to the Telegraph.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed loan to Forest
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on April 19, 2017, 04:37:58 PM
We're going to sell him in the summer according to the Telegraph.

That i would like to see as who on earth would:
A. Pay any sort of decent fee
B. Pay him anywhere what we are paying him

I very much doubt forest are paying a huge chunk of 48k a week as they havent got a pot to piss in

And to think due diligence could have been done in ten mins on google
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed loan to Forest
Post by: Risso on April 19, 2017, 05:37:36 PM
Is there any other business organization that would fail to carry out due diligence on an investment of £12 million before committing?

The criteria in football for players(certainly Villa's) seems to be, Is he any good? is he fit? and maybe, has he got potential?  In McCormack's case just the first 2. 

Shame for the lad if he has got issues and I hope he gets better quickly if that's the case. But really, a little bit of research and looking into his personal life before we make such a commitment you would think would be a given.   

It's hard to say. At the end of the day, he scored 23 goals last season, and if he hasn't had any problems before, what would there be to find out?
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed loan to Forest
Post by: john e on April 19, 2017, 05:42:00 PM
I think he's a decent player I rate him higher than Hogan actually, but I have only limited knowledge on either of them, just what i have observed and think he has a real footballing brain

he obviously. Has some massive issues to sort out which in a way gives us a bit of hope in the fact that at the moment he is nothing like the player we thought we bought but could become again if he wants and gets help
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed loan to Forest
Post by: amfy on April 19, 2017, 06:33:59 PM
I am now reading (on face book so who knows?) that he's had to have an operation on his Achilles, and randomly, a number of cysts in his jaw. The season is a write off for him, but from that story it appears that the ongoing 'no show' stories are fake news and he has an injury and a physical illness.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed loan to Forest
Post by: Scratchins on April 19, 2017, 06:46:51 PM
The press never let the truth get in the way of a good story. Photos of Ross with swollen jaw on FB.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed loan to Forest
Post by: TheMalandro on April 19, 2017, 07:19:38 PM
Mouthgate
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed loan to Forest
Post by: aj2k77 on April 19, 2017, 07:29:33 PM
Mouthgate

Cracking defender for us, could do with someone similar now.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed loan to Forest
Post by: auntiesledd on April 19, 2017, 07:51:52 PM
I am now reading (on face book so who knows?) that he's had to have an operation on his Achilles, and randomly, a number of cysts in his jaw. The season is a write off for him, but from that story it appears that the ongoing 'no show' stories are fake news and he has an injury and a physical illness.

So it's a sort of foot & mouth sitch then?
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed loan to Forest
Post by: manic-road on April 19, 2017, 09:55:22 PM
He should have been providing some assists not cysts.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed loan to Forest
Post by: eamonn on April 20, 2017, 01:42:16 PM
"Better" news if true. Hopefully he gets treated well and can come back all fires blazing to lead a three-pronged attack with Hogan and the Russian once Codge leaves for Watford or whoever.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed loan to Forest
Post by: Bren'd on April 20, 2017, 02:51:13 PM
Is there any other business organization that would fail to carry out due diligence on an investment of £12 million before committing?

The criteria in football for players(certainly Villa's) seems to be, Is he any good? is he fit? and maybe, has he got potential?  In McCormack's case just the first 2. 

Shame for the lad if he has got issues and I hope he gets better quickly if that's the case. But really, a little bit of research and looking into his personal life before we make such a commitment you would think would be a given.   

It's hard to say. At the end of the day, he scored 23 goals last season, and if he hasn't had any problems before, what would there be to find out?

We as a club do a full physical medical to ensure he's fit and not carrying injuries.  Do we believe him when he says he drinks no more than 21 units a week?  Do we consult people in the know about his personal life?  Maybe we did and ignored the findings blinded by the 23 goals. None of this matters of course if he's banging the goals in but as we have found he isn't and it's looking like our £12 million investment has been an extremely bad one and one we might not have made had we delved further. 

Hope he gets over his Achilles problem in the summer for his and our sake.   
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed loan to Forest
Post by: CT on April 20, 2017, 03:30:29 PM
"Better" news if true. Hopefully he gets treated well and can come back all fires blazing to lead a three-pronged attack with Hogan and the Russian once Codge leaves for Watford or whoever.

I guess we wouldn't be planning on promotion next season either if that's the case?
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed loan to Forest
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on April 20, 2017, 11:03:01 PM
Perhaps He, Brian Little, Steve Bruce, Tony Adams, Paul Merson and Stan Collymore should get together and talk to see if there is a way to fix it.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed loan to Forest
Post by: The Left Side on April 21, 2017, 03:21:51 AM
Anyone see his post surgery photo, he looked like Bud Bundy from Married with Children
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed loan to Forest
Post by: brian green on April 21, 2017, 06:36:11 AM
Hail the new Sick Note.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - confirmed loan to Forest
Post by: villa kicks on July 24, 2017, 09:55:22 PM
If McCormack is leaving then has to be at least 8 mil to Sunderland no loan option! Certainly he can add to their squad potentially a rival for promotion. I hoped a Scottish club would come for him if loan . Selling him for 4 mil to a championship team could prove costly both on and off pitch . However Bruce is of opinion not enhances squad so could be good to ship out regardless.
Didn't pull up at trees at struggling forest buy hope he has his head / off field issues sorted out .
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: Des Little on July 24, 2017, 10:24:51 PM
There is no way we'll loan him. He'll go for a fee or not at all.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: Matt Collins on July 24, 2017, 10:34:55 PM
I just can't see who's going to pay anywhere near £8m for him. Who in th championship can afford that plus his wages, for a 30 year old with massive questions over form, mental state, fitness? There's only a small number of teams that could even think of it.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: brontebilly on July 24, 2017, 10:41:39 PM
I just can't see who's going to pay anywhere near £8m for him. Who in th championship can afford that plus his wages, for a 30 year old with massive questions over form, mental state, fitness? There's only a small number of teams that could even think of it.

the club formerly known as Glasgow Rangers possibly

To be honest RDM has a lot to answer for, as has Keith Wynness.

McCormack rocked up at Villa Park towards the end of the transfer window last season miles overweight.

After everything we went through the season before, surely signing another piss artist for 12m or so should have set alarm bells ringing loudly
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 24, 2017, 11:05:49 PM
Sometime it's better just to get rid.  But if one team can afford to stump up it's Sunderland.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: eamonn on July 24, 2017, 11:17:49 PM
Larry Grayson loved managing him at Leeds so fingers crossed he thinks he can get him going again.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 24, 2017, 11:50:44 PM
Sometime it's better just to get rid.  But if one team can afford to stump up it's Sunderland.

If Sunderland were willing to spend lots of money, they wouldn't have just been turned down by the manager of Aberdeen.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: paul_e on July 25, 2017, 12:03:06 AM
I just can't see who's going to pay anywhere near £8m for him. Who in th championship can afford that plus his wages, for a 30 year old with massive questions over form, mental state, fitness? There's only a small number of teams that could even think of it.

the club formerly known as Glasgow Rangers possibly

To be honest RDM has a lot to answer for, as has Keith Wynness.

McCormack rocked up at Villa Park towards the end of the transfer window last season miles overweight.

After everything we went through the season before, surely signing another piss artist for 12m or so should have set alarm bells ringing loudly

For some it did, other people looked at his scoring record and insisted he'd be a great signing and would lead us to the title.  I think the idea that he was a massive mistake is very much a matter of hindsight, I know I didn't get many people supporting me when I said he wasn't worth the money and we didn't need him (because he played the same role as Grealish and Ayew who I thought were both a better fit for us as a 10).  I don't like us signing players that are no better than what we have when we have loads of options already.  A proper left winger is where that money should've gone.  With hindsight a more ready option than Tish in the centre was also needed.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on July 25, 2017, 12:11:40 AM
I would sooner he got his act together and stayed to be honest. The idea of writing off a player like him seems a little silly, particularly to one of our rivals.

He owes us a season of playing well.  He made some very big mistakes. He needs to fix them and fight for his spot. I hope he would agree.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: paul_e on July 25, 2017, 12:14:14 AM
I would sooner he got his act together and stayed to be honest. The idea of writing off a player like him seems a little silly, particularly to one of our rivals.

He owes us a season of playing well.  He made some very big mistakes. He needs to fix them and fight for his spot. I hope he would agree.

The problem is, for me, he's the sort of player you have to build a team around to get the most out of him but he's not quite good enough to carry a team into the top 2.  It's the same limitation Bent had (despite being very different players).
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on July 25, 2017, 12:21:52 AM
I would sooner he got his act together and stayed to be honest. The idea of writing off a player like him seems a little silly, particularly to one of our rivals.

He owes us a season of playing well.  He made some very big mistakes. He needs to fix them and fight for his spot. I hope he would agree.

The problem is, for me, he's the sort of player you have to build a team around to get the most out of him but he's not quite good enough to carry a team into the top 2.  It's the same limitation Bent had (despite being very different players).

Fair.  Although I still have fond memories of Bent, particularly his first season with us. I feel Ross owes us that. Maybe I am just deluded but I think he has it in him.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: peter w on July 25, 2017, 05:42:38 AM
Have to remember as well that they'll have to stump up a fee for him to go on loan - not as much as a transfer but it's not as if they're getting him for nothing.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: Matt Collins on July 25, 2017, 06:28:46 AM
Sunderland won't be spending £8m on anyone under Ellis Short, I don't imagine

Don't think Rangers have that kind of money either

Boro do but won't buy him

Wolves do but he's not Portuguese

Maybe Wednesday or Leeds.

But I can't see it happening.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: Ads on July 25, 2017, 06:46:12 AM
Yes, Short appears to be using the large fees for Pickford and Borini to balance out some of the outlay.

They're in a very similar place to where we were. Years of struggle leaving them with a very poor squad, lots of different managers half ideas and a huge confidence a d player re-build needed.

Mid-table will disappoint them but I think it would be a reasonable return. I wouldn't be surprised to see them struggle, I would be shocked if they're in or around the play offs. I could be wrong of course, but I think they need a take over if they're to really change.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on July 25, 2017, 07:12:07 AM
I just can't see who's going to pay anywhere near £8m for him. Who in th championship can afford that plus his wages, for a 30 year old with massive questions over form, mental state, fitness? There's only a small number of teams that could even think of it.

Agree with that

It will be a loan deal or 5 million. Terrible business again
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: sid1964 on July 25, 2017, 07:21:29 AM
Season long loan deal - which does not solve the problem, because next summer he will be back!
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: eamonn on July 25, 2017, 07:34:01 AM
Sometime it's better just to get rid.  But if one team can afford to stump up it's Sunderland.

If Sunderland were willing to spend lots of money, they wouldn't have just been turned down by the manager of Aberdeen.

I doubt Grayson was getting less than Mcinnes at Preston and presumably he's being paid a lot more now at Sunderland.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: ozzjim on July 25, 2017, 07:40:31 AM
The loan is a gamble.  He goes and scores 20 goals there we sell him for 7 million next summer easy despite his age. It would rebuild hì reputation completely. He also can't play us and can score against stronger opponents of us. Plus we get a million or so loan fee and his wages paid for a year.

Trouble is he flops and we get 3 next summer.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: tomd2103 on July 25, 2017, 08:00:22 AM
I would sooner he got his act together and stayed to be honest. The idea of writing off a player like him seems a little silly, particularly to one of our rivals.

He owes us a season of playing well.  He made some very big mistakes. He needs to fix them and fight for his spot. I hope he would agree.

The problem is, for me, he's the sort of player you have to build a team around to get the most out of him but he's not quite good enough to carry a team into the top 2.  It's the same limitation Bent had (despite being very different players).

If we are going to play 4-4-2 then that is the formation that would probably suit him the most, as it means he could play in a central 'drop off' striker role.  I would rather see him gone though.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: Matt C on July 25, 2017, 08:57:22 AM
Forgot Grayson managed him at Leeds, now it makes sense.

Loan isn't ideal but probably the path of least resistance. His market value is rock bottom now and we'd be lucky to get a third of what we paid for him. Loan him out though, take what I'm sure is a large loan fee and hope he can find some form so we can recover a decent fee next summer.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: AVH87 on July 25, 2017, 09:02:42 AM
I don't think we'd get a decent fee next summer, he'll be 32 then. He was a bad signing at the time and I said as much. Norwich were battling with us for his signature, but I'm guessing they have no interest now, which just leaves Sunderland. Considering they've sold Pickford for big money, I think we should hold out for a decent fee of 6-8m from them.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: eamonn on July 25, 2017, 12:16:45 PM
It would be strange were he to go on-loan there in that we'd want him to do reasonably well so that they take him off our hands completely or (much less likely) he gives Bruce the chance to reconsider him. Yet Sunderland, will likely be a promotion rival, so we wouldn't want him banging-in winners on a regular basis.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: KevinGage on July 25, 2017, 12:33:24 PM
I'd advocate a player swap of some sort, if they are playing poor mouth.

But I can't honestly think of a player of theirs I'd want.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: Mostinho II on July 25, 2017, 02:25:15 PM
I'd take 5-6 mil. But not a loan deal, please, just get rid, clear the decks.
 
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: mr underhill on July 25, 2017, 05:11:31 PM
I'd be thrilled to get that for him after the clusterfuck that was last season, but even Blunderland aren't that stupid surely?
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: Bren'd on July 25, 2017, 07:51:05 PM
According to the news round up on 'Made in Birmingham' TV he's gone on a season long loan.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 25, 2017, 08:54:13 PM
The loan is a gamble.  He goes and scores 20 goals there we sell him for 7 million next summer easy despite his age. It would rebuild hì reputation completely. He also can't play us and can score against stronger opponents of us. Plus we get a million or so loan fee and his wages paid for a year.

Trouble is he flops and we get 3 next summer.

I would take 3m for him this summer tbh.

A 12m fee means he's on good wages aswell. I just think SB has concluded he's more trouble than he's worth, not just the off the field issues but as some posters have said he's a very difficult player to fit effectively in the team, Warnock said as much when we signed him.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: aj2k77 on July 25, 2017, 08:55:04 PM
I wouldn't be loaning him. He'll be worth next to nothing when we get him back.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: andyh on July 25, 2017, 08:59:40 PM
Dangerous game loaning him to what could be a promotion contender.
If he got his shit together and scored 10-15 goals for someone else next season, we could seriously regret not try to integrate him into our squad and trying to get the best out him.
Isn't that what a good manager is supposed to do?
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: Gareth on July 25, 2017, 09:44:25 PM
Dangerous game loaning him to what could be a promotion contender.
If he got his shit together and scored 10-15 goals for someone else next season, we could seriously regret not try to integrate him into our squad and trying to get the best out him.
Isn't that what a good manager is supposed to do?

A good manager is also supposed to be able to see if a player is beyond his sell by date, if SB thinks McCormack is past it then do the deal, he will look v foolish if McCormack does rattle 20 in though
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: Ads on July 25, 2017, 09:47:28 PM
If Sunderland finished top half I.will be very surprised.

Read Grayson's comments after their 3-0 defeat at St Johnstone. Trouble at mill.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: Newby on July 25, 2017, 10:06:58 PM
Loan deal is ok if we put in a clause that they have to buy him if he plays, say, 30 games for them. Perhaps put the amount up if he plays 40, as they wouldn't be able to argue that he's not worth the price. Simply put, the more he plays, the more we earn from the deal.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: ozzjim on July 25, 2017, 10:54:46 PM
The loan is a gamble.  He goes and scores 20 goals there we sell him for 7 million next summer easy despite his age. It would rebuild hì reputation completely. He also can't play us and can score against stronger opponents of us. Plus we get a million or so loan fee and his wages paid for a year.

Trouble is he flops and we get 3 next summer.

I would take 3m for him this summer tbh.

A 12m fee means he's on good wages aswell. I just think SB has concluded he's more trouble than he's worth, not just the off the field issues but as some posters have said he's a very difficult player to fit effectively in the team, Warnock said as much when we signed him.

I think it is worth the gamble as long as we get a decent loan fee and all his wages covered. Hits form and we get much more back still.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: peter w on July 26, 2017, 08:10:03 AM
the loan fee is apparently £500 000 and £30k per week wages.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: eamonn on July 26, 2017, 09:08:17 AM
Randomly checked one of the few forums of other clubs that I've heard of, Sunderlands Ready To Go, and saw you contributing in their McCormack thread, Peter! Tis a small Internet... If they're covering £35k of his wages, how much is he on in full? Wasn't there talk that even our high earners had their wages slashed when we got relegated?
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: Tony Erdington on July 26, 2017, 10:13:25 AM
LOAN -  Whats the point next season his value is only going south, get what we can get him off the wage bill.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: Bren'd on July 26, 2017, 10:19:24 AM
Maybe a loan is as much as we can get for him.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: The Fish on July 26, 2017, 10:25:12 AM
Randomly checked one of the few forums of other clubs that I've heard of, Sunderlands Ready To Go, and saw you contributing in their McCormack thread, Peter! Tis a small Internet... If they're covering £35k of his wages, how much is he on in full? Wasn't there talk that even our high earners had their wages slashed when we got relegated?

I'd be surprised if Sunderland were covering all of his wages. They're broke, doesn't look like Grayson is getting any of the money from the Pickford transfer and it's all going towards paying down their debts.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: paul_e on July 26, 2017, 10:28:51 AM
LOAN -  Whats the point next season his value is only going south, get what we can get him off the wage bill.

The point is that it's over £2m saving towards FFP.  Add that to the fee and wage saving for Veretout and the others we're trying to get rid of and it adds to the pot if we need to bring anyone else in or we need to buy in January.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: RussellC on July 26, 2017, 10:32:08 AM
Maybe a loan is as much as we can get for him.

Exactly this. If there was a cash buyer I'm sure we'd be biting their hand off.  People seem to be very worried about a striker that scored 4 goals in The Championship last season going elsewhere.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: robbo1874 on July 26, 2017, 10:52:50 AM
Completely underwhelming so far.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: peter w on July 26, 2017, 10:58:29 AM
Randomly checked one of the few forums of other clubs that I've heard of, Sunderlands Ready To Go, and saw you contributing in their McCormack thread, Peter! Tis a small Internet... If they're covering £35k of his wages, how much is he on in full? Wasn't there talk that even our high earners had their wages slashed when we got relegated?

HA! Yes. been on there for a couple of years.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: mr underhill on July 26, 2017, 11:15:42 AM
we've bought some shit sandwiches in our time but none shittier than Ross McCormack
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: peter w on July 26, 2017, 11:17:43 AM
I dunno: Richards, Ireland; N'Zogbia; Helnius; Balaban have to be up there.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: mr underhill on July 26, 2017, 11:19:28 AM
but only one of them cost serious money and wasn't he voted player of the year!
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: tomd2103 on July 26, 2017, 11:43:21 AM
but only one of them cost serious money and wasn't he voted player of the year!

Balaban was a pretty hefty fee at the time wasn't he?
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: Holte L2 on July 26, 2017, 12:48:04 PM
but only one of them cost serious money and wasn't he voted player of the year!

Balaban was a pretty hefty fee at the time wasn't he?

£6M. I'll never forget being at Liverpool away in 2001. 3-1 up and chanting "we want Balaban" We'd signed him days before and he was on the bench. Saw him play against Sheffield Wednesday in the League Cup and NK Varteks in the UEFA just a few weeks after that and he looked useless.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: Hookeysmith on July 26, 2017, 01:04:20 PM
I dunno: Richards, Ireland; N'Zogbia; Helnius; Balaban have to be up there.

Always thought Helnius never got a real crack  - although will never forget his against Spurs in the most obvious penalty never to be given


Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: Damo70 on July 26, 2017, 01:14:28 PM
but only one of them cost serious money and wasn't he voted player of the year!

Balaban was a pretty hefty fee at the time wasn't he?



I've heard about this mythical 'Balaban'. I have always classed him up there with Big Foot and the Loch Ness Monster. I'm not convinced he ever actually existed.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: eamonn on July 26, 2017, 01:32:37 PM
I dunno: Richards, Ireland; N'Zogbia; Helnius; Balaban have to be up there.

Always thought Helnius never got a real crack  - although will never forget his against Spurs in the most obvious penalty never to be given



Helenius managed to compose himself to blaze over so I can see why the ref didn't give it. Vertonghen just tripped into his underpants.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: Damo70 on July 26, 2017, 01:36:25 PM
I dunno: Richards, Ireland; N'Zogbia; Helnius; Balaban have to be up there.

Always thought Helnius never got a real crack  - although will never forget his against Spurs in the most obvious penalty never to be given



Helenius managed to compose himself to blaze over so I can see why the ref didn't give it. Vertonghen just tripped into his underpants.



"It wasn't assault your honour, I just tripped into her pants".
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: Mossie Hennebry on July 26, 2017, 02:13:23 PM
but only one of them cost serious money and wasn't he voted player of the year!

Balaban was a pretty hefty fee at the time wasn't he?



I've heard about this mythical 'Balaban'. I have always classed him up there with Big Foot and the Loch Ness Monster. I'm not convinced he ever actually existed.

Oh, he existed alright. I saw him line out against Estonia in Tallinn one night in '02. Gold boots on, he thought he was the dogs, but he couldn't kick the ball out of his way that night either.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 26, 2017, 06:30:17 PM
but only one of them cost serious money and wasn't he voted player of the year!

Zog was £9.5m and big wages, Balaban was £6m and 20K a week when that was pretty big money. Helenius was £1m so wouldn't put him in the same class.

Balaban was a weird one, looked good before and after us, woeful when with us.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: eamonn on July 26, 2017, 06:32:27 PM
Was he good after? Made a ripple in third-rate leagues like Belgium and back in Croatia as far as I remember.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 26, 2017, 06:34:16 PM
Was he good after? Made a ripple in third-rate leagues like Belgium and back in Croatia as far as I remember.

Scored a reasonable amount in the CL as well iirc.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: UK Redsox on July 26, 2017, 06:42:59 PM
I dunno: Richards, Ireland; N'Zogbia; Helnius; Balaban have to be up there.

Always thought Helnius never got a real crack  - although will never forget his against Spurs in the most obvious penalty never to be given



Helenius managed to compose himself to blaze over so I can see why the ref didn't give it. Vertonghen just tripped into his underpants.



"It wasn't assault your honour, I just tripped into her pants".

I think that defence has just worked in a case but I can't find the link
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: Damo70 on July 27, 2017, 04:40:31 PM
Talksport report Derby, Hull and Reading are all interested in him. They didn't clarify but what are the odds that they all want him just on loan?

Maybe we could flog him to Liverpool. Are the Shankly gates manually opened or electronic/automatic?
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: aj2k77 on July 27, 2017, 05:47:56 PM
Let the bidding war ensue!
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: Damo70 on July 27, 2017, 05:53:20 PM
Let the bidding war ensue!


It will be like one of those awkward moments on antique shows when the auctioneer starts the bidding at eighty quid and within a few seconds is asking "Okay, will anyone start me off with twenty five pounds"?
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: CT on August 18, 2017, 09:06:04 PM
Happy birthday Ross!! 😂
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 18, 2017, 09:14:47 PM
Is he training, fit going on loan?
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 18, 2017, 09:20:05 PM
31 today. Most of us would have 31 candles on a cake, he has 31 cakes.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: UK Redsox on August 18, 2017, 09:23:52 PM
31 today. Most of us would have 31 candles on a cake, he has 31 cakes.

Pravda are really featuring some legends in their birthday announcements on Twitter. Yesterday it was Øyvind Leonhardsen and now it's Ross  ::)
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: Ads on August 18, 2017, 09:58:34 PM
He's a few days younger than me. He must have had a much bigger paper round, with really big gates to navigate.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: XXVilla on September 01, 2017, 04:57:51 PM
A one man bomb squad now according to the Mail. I've been wondering today as to why his toxicity wasn't picked up by Villa before we paid ver £10M for hm, but then I look at the last 10 years...
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 01, 2017, 05:12:25 PM
I am glad he hasn't secured a move - that would be the easy way out for him.  He has been totally unprofessional so shouldn't be rewarded for it in essence.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: mr underhill on September 02, 2017, 10:20:37 AM
he seems perfectly happy to me to just do the square root of nothing and trouser gigantic coin. Much like that other fuckwit Richards.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: brontebilly on September 02, 2017, 11:23:35 AM
Did he play in the cup game v Wigan?
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: CJ on September 02, 2017, 01:07:31 PM
Did he play in the cup game v Wigan?

Came on as a sub with about 15-20 minutes left and, though it pains me to say it after the way he's behaved, I thought he looked quite sharp and might even combine well with Hogan. He tried to pick out Hogan's runs a couple of times, but they were only on the pitch together for about 10 minutes so maybe too early to say, and it may be a moot point anyway as I think he's burnt his bridges with Bruce.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: London Villan on September 02, 2017, 03:08:48 PM
With a value of £12m we should be trying to get something out of him. Burned bridges or not.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: tomd2103 on September 02, 2017, 05:40:54 PM
With a value of £12m we should be trying to get something out of him. Burned bridges or not.

As Neil Warnock pointed out at the start of last season, the problem is you have to build your side around him as he can only really play in one position. If we were going to play that formation, he would be down the pecking order in terms of playing his preferred position anyway. 
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: brian green on September 02, 2017, 07:13:35 PM
I too thought he looked sharp against Wigan.  I think he just might be a surprise package next season.  No evidence.  Just a hunch.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 02, 2017, 07:15:13 PM
he seems perfectly happy to me to just do the square root of nothing and trouser gigantic coin. Much like that other fuckwit Richards.

How do you know that? Based on what? We all know the garden gate thing, but it's a bit of a jump to lump him in with that waste of skin Richards quite so quickly.

Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on September 02, 2017, 07:25:06 PM
He has looked one of our better players every time I've seen him play (not always saying much). I think he probably needed a 10 game run to find his groove at the start of last season (Fulham fans were saying he always needs a few games to get going) and found himself in and out the team instead.

It is frankly ridiculous that Bruce has him below Gabby in the pecking order. Whatever people think of 'gate-gate' (and I thik it was overblown and very poorly handled by Bruce), RM has nothing on Gabby regards unprofessionalism. I would like to see him in the squad.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: CT on September 02, 2017, 07:33:06 PM
I wonder if he'd buried the one on one at Hillsborough last season if things might have been different. Confidence would have been instantly good and he might have gone on to get more.

Bit like Bosco Balaban away at Southampton. He missed his one on one and was hopeless after that.

We need to use him, somehow.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: ozzjim on September 03, 2017, 01:50:23 AM
If Bruce can see fit to give Gabby a way back after much worse behaviour than McCormack at Villa, he needs to extend the same here. He would be a very useful option playing off Davis. His best form at Fulham came playing off a big striker. I also wonder if Kodjia had played the final pass to him 3-4 times last autumn when he was wide open whether things would be different now. May well have save Di Matteo his job.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: mr underhill on September 03, 2017, 09:48:51 AM
my comment wasn't just based on his tenure with us - he did the same (i.e. nothing) at Forest and it's well documented that Fulham players didn't want him back due to disruptive behaviour.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: Clampy on September 03, 2017, 10:05:06 AM
He has looked one of our better players every time I've seen him play (not always saying much). I think he probably needed a 10 game run to find his groove at the start of last season (Fulham fans were saying he always needs a few games to get going) and found himself in and out the team instead.

It is frankly ridiculous that Bruce has him below Gabby in the pecking order. Whatever people think of 'gate-gate' (and I thik it was overblown and very poorly handled by Bruce), RM has nothing on Gabby regards unprofessionalism. I would like to see him in the squad.

In what way was it poorly handled? He didn't just miss training once, he apparently missed a few sessions. There were other things going on no doubt which we're not privy too. All Bruce's fault no doubt though.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: Ads on September 03, 2017, 10:07:18 AM
Gabby showed effort, McCormack couldn't be bothered to turn up to training. He is an embarrassment.

Bruce has handled it fine. Everybody knows he is on a wedge and the industry will be well aware of his couple of significant personal issues, so Bruce shaming him isn't effecting any sale of him.

I also think we're unfair on Richards too. I don't think he's a waste of space (I don't think he's any good mind) I think he actually cannot play because of severity of his knee problem. I doubt he will play 20 games in his career again.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: Villa75 on September 03, 2017, 10:17:26 AM
McCormack has fallen so far down the pecking order he's not worth persevering with.

If we need a back up forward I would rather keep Gabby. At least, coming on late in a game, he can provide something useful. McCormack is a busted flush.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: Clampy on September 03, 2017, 10:19:08 AM
I don't think the door (or gate) should be closed on him though. It's up to the player how much he wants it.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: Risso on September 03, 2017, 11:03:51 AM
I don't think the door (or gate) should be closed on him though. It's up to the player how much he wants it.

He doesn't really seem to want it very much, that's the trouble.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: brian green on September 03, 2017, 11:20:25 AM
He could go either way.  On the surface it looks very much as though McCormack's personal issues are at the root of his loss of fitness and form.  At his age personal issues have peaks and troughs.  Loss of performance through injury or illness ( Gardner, Kozak, Stylian) are much more intractable.  That is why I have not completely given up on Ross McCormack.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on September 03, 2017, 10:05:07 PM
Gabby showed effort, McCormack couldn't be bothered to turn up to training. He is an embarrassment.

Bruce has handled it fine. Everybody knows he is on a wedge and the industry will be well aware of his couple of significant personal issues, so Bruce shaming him isn't effecting any sale of him.

I also think we're unfair on Richards too. I don't think he's a waste of space (I don't think he's any good mind) I think he actually cannot play because of severity of his knee problem. I doubt he will play 20 games in his career again.

I think the severity of his character problem is what bothers me about Richards. We can all get behind players who for whatever reason had injury dramatically impact their career with us (see Libor, Okore amongst others), but Richards has gone out of his way to show he doesnt give a toss about this club.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: saunders_heroes on September 03, 2017, 10:07:16 PM
Gabby showed effort, McCormack couldn't be bothered to turn up to training. He is an embarrassment.

Bruce has handled it fine. Everybody knows he is on a wedge and the industry will be well aware of his couple of significant personal issues, so Bruce shaming him isn't effecting any sale of him.

I also think we're unfair on Richards too. I don't think he's a waste of space (I don't think he's any good mind) I think he actually cannot play because of severity of his knee problem. I doubt he will play 20 games in his career again.

I think the severity of his character problem is what bothers me about Richards. We can all get behind players who for whatever reason had injury dramatically impact their career with us (see Libor, Okore amongst others), but Richards has gone out of his way to show he doesnt give a toss about this club.

What's the evidence for this though? I can't remember any manager really ever slagging him off. He was just a dreadful signing on massive wages that we can't shift really. Don't know anything about him being a bad influence. In fact I've read somewhere that he's quite popular with the other players.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on September 03, 2017, 10:20:34 PM
Gabby showed effort, McCormack couldn't be bothered to turn up to training. He is an embarrassment.

Bruce has handled it fine. Everybody knows he is on a wedge and the industry will be well aware of his couple of significant personal issues, so Bruce shaming him isn't effecting any sale of him.

I also think we're unfair on Richards too. I don't think he's a waste of space (I don't think he's any good mind) I think he actually cannot play because of severity of his knee problem. I doubt he will play 20 games in his career again.

I think the severity of his character problem is what bothers me about Richards. We can all get behind players who for whatever reason had injury dramatically impact their career with us (see Libor, Okore amongst others), but Richards has gone out of his way to show he doesnt give a toss about this club.

What's the evidence for this though? I can't remember any manager really ever slagging him off. He was just a dreadful signing on massive wages that we can't shift really. Don't know anything about him being a bad influence. In fact I've read somewhere that he's quite popular with the other players.

Well when isaw him play during the nightmare season he seemed to walk just about every where on the pitch.

He is one of the latest to training every day according to Jedniak https://youtu.be/-HTFOeRBDSM?t=2m

His loan move to West Ham fell through seemingly because of the player not the clubs.

I dunno, let me flip it, has he ever given us a reason to get behind him?


Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: Newby on September 03, 2017, 10:36:43 PM
I guess we can all agree on one thing with Richards; we would rather be without him. Terrible signing it has proven to be.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: OzVilla on September 04, 2017, 04:28:37 AM
Gabby showed effort, McCormack couldn't be bothered to turn up to training. He is an embarrassment.

Bruce has handled it fine. Everybody knows he is on a wedge and the industry will be well aware of his couple of significant personal issues, so Bruce shaming him isn't effecting any sale of him.

I also think we're unfair on Richards too. I don't think he's a waste of space (I don't think he's any good mind) I think he actually cannot play because of severity of his knee problem. I doubt he will play 20 games in his career again.

I think the severity of his character problem is what bothers me about Richards. We can all get behind players who for whatever reason had injury dramatically impact their career with us (see Libor, Okore amongst others), but Richards has gone out of his way to show he doesnt give a toss about this club.

What's the evidence for this though? I can't remember any manager really ever slagging him off. He was just a dreadful signing on massive wages that we can't shift really. Don't know anything about him being a bad influence. In fact I've read somewhere that he's quite popular with the other players.

To be honest, i've still not forgotten the way he encouraged the Delph move while he'd been at the club a couple of weeks.

Considering he'd just left Citeh because he couldn't get any game time to then advise Delph to go there and while in the process severely weaken your new employers was a fucking stupid thing to do.  And that was as he walked in the door.

No sorry, the blokes an arse bad knee or no bad knee - he couldn't give a fcuk about us, we're an ATM to him.

We need to persevere with McCormack though now we know he's staying.  We can't just write that off imo, lets try reintegration -
 wouldn't be the first time after all.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: tomd2103 on September 04, 2017, 08:18:15 AM
Gabby showed effort, McCormack couldn't be bothered to turn up to training. He is an embarrassment.

Bruce has handled it fine. Everybody knows he is on a wedge and the industry will be well aware of his couple of significant personal issues, so Bruce shaming him isn't effecting any sale of him.

I also think we're unfair on Richards too. I don't think he's a waste of space (I don't think he's any good mind) I think he actually cannot play because of severity of his knee problem. I doubt he will play 20 games in his career again.

I think the severity of his character problem is what bothers me about Richards. We can all get behind players who for whatever reason had injury dramatically impact their career with us (see Libor, Okore amongst others), but Richards has gone out of his way to show he doesnt give a toss about this club.

What's the evidence for this though? I can't remember any manager really ever slagging him off. He was just a dreadful signing on massive wages that we can't shift really. Don't know anything about him being a bad influence. In fact I've read somewhere that he's quite popular with the other players.

To be honest, i've still not forgotten the way he encouraged the Delph move while he'd been at the club a couple of weeks.

Considering he'd just left Citeh because he couldn't get any game time to then advise Delph to go there and while in the process severely weaken your new employers was a fucking stupid thing to do.  And that was as he walked in the door.

No sorry, the blokes an arse bad knee or no bad knee - he couldn't give a fcuk about us, we're an ATM to him.

We need to persevere with McCormack though now we know he's staying.  We can't just write that off imo, lets try reintegration -
 wouldn't be the first time after all.

If we carry on with the formation we used against Norwich and then reverted to against Bristol City after the experiment with three at the back, then he doesn't fit into that.  He would be struggling to even make the bench, as there are a number of players ahead of him in his favoured position now.     
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: brontebilly on September 04, 2017, 06:05:02 PM
Gabby showed effort, McCormack couldn't be bothered to turn up to training. He is an embarrassment.

Bruce has handled it fine. Everybody knows he is on a wedge and the industry will be well aware of his couple of significant personal issues, so Bruce shaming him isn't effecting any sale of him.

I also think we're unfair on Richards too. I don't think he's a waste of space (I don't think he's any good mind) I think he actually cannot play because of severity of his knee problem. I doubt he will play 20 games in his career again.

I think the severity of his character problem is what bothers me about Richards. We can all get behind players who for whatever reason had injury dramatically impact their career with us (see Libor, Okore amongst others), but Richards has gone out of his way to show he doesnt give a toss about this club.

What's the evidence for this though? I can't remember any manager really ever slagging him off. He was just a dreadful signing on massive wages that we can't shift really. Don't know anything about him being a bad influence. In fact I've read somewhere that he's quite popular with the other players.

To be honest, i've still not forgotten the way he encouraged the Delph move while he'd been at the club a couple of weeks.

Considering he'd just left Citeh because he couldn't get any game time to then advise Delph to go there and while in the process severely weaken your new employers was a fucking stupid thing to do.  And that was as he walked in the door.

No sorry, the blokes an arse bad knee or no bad knee - he couldn't give a fcuk about us, we're an ATM to him.

We need to persevere with McCormack though now we know he's staying.  We can't just write that off imo, lets try reintegration -
 wouldn't be the first time after all.

If we carry on with the formation we used against Norwich and then reverted to against Bristol City after the experiment with three at the back, then he doesn't fit into that.  He would be struggling to even make the bench, as there are a number of players ahead of him in his favoured position now.   

Agreed, even at his best McCormack doesn't fit in with out other players. Given the lack of  mobility we have in our midfield options, we should always be going with three in there. That rules out McCormack really. Gabby is a better option to play wide in front three, Davis a better option leading the line, Hogan surely further ahead as Bruce signed him and Kodjia our best attacking option by far up top.

Could be a useful bench option to sniff out a goal IF he got himself in the right physical and mental mindset but surely he would have gone on loan if that were the case. Might be worth giving him a start v Boro up with Hogan or Davis in case Kodjia struggles on his return from injury.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: Matt Collins on September 19, 2017, 09:29:22 PM
Given what appears to be injuries to other strikers maybe Fat Ross will find himself on the bench soon?
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: Gregorys Boy on September 19, 2017, 10:08:03 PM
Have to agree with everyone.  McCormack should be no where near the squad.  It was pure desparation that we resorted to him tonight.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: mr underhill on September 19, 2017, 10:38:40 PM
and he was predictably anonymous. Maybe vaulting the gates took too much out of him
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: Des Little on September 19, 2017, 10:45:06 PM
Utter waste of time. A failed token gesture.  We won't see him play again.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on September 19, 2017, 10:49:15 PM
I hate it when one of our players just doesn't work out. Sadly it seems to be the case here :(
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: eamonn on September 19, 2017, 11:12:19 PM
He must have done something good, tonight. Come on, be positive please.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: UK Redsox on September 19, 2017, 11:19:11 PM
He must have done something good, tonight. Come on, be positive please.

One nice pass through to Hogan, who should have done better with the chance.

I think that Ross offers more variety than Scott
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: aj2k77 on September 19, 2017, 11:29:57 PM
Fair to say that that we've overpaid on the pair of them by £10m, neither have any stand out attributes.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: tomd2103 on September 20, 2017, 12:13:39 AM
Watched him in the warm up.  He had one halfhearted shot and then walked off and proceeded to stand around watching for the rest of the time.  Would have preferred that a wide option had come on when Lansbury got injured and O'Hare had gone up top with Hogan. 
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: OzVilla on September 20, 2017, 01:19:37 AM
I hate it when one of our players just doesn't work.


Fixed for you.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on September 20, 2017, 01:47:21 AM
I hate it when one of our players just doesn't work.


Fixed for you.

Yup. Your corrected version is more accurate, sadly.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: Chris Jameson on September 20, 2017, 08:39:32 AM
I hate our players.


Fixed for you.

Yup. Your corrected version is more accurate, sadly.

Never done one of these before.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: Pete3206 on September 23, 2017, 02:43:47 PM
Has he gone to Melbourne?
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: LeeB on September 23, 2017, 02:57:16 PM
Has he gone to Melbourne?

He missed the flight, got stuck at the boarding gate.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: Pat McMahon on September 24, 2017, 10:11:09 PM
A mate of mine down here knows some people who know McCormack. Apparently he separated from his partner last year and everything spiralled out of control thereafter.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on September 24, 2017, 10:13:34 PM
Maybe he need a strong woman to sort him out.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: passport1 on September 24, 2017, 10:51:24 PM
He should be fine in Australia,where the men are men and so are the women.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: taylorsworkrate on September 24, 2017, 10:57:10 PM
He's fucking played a blinder here. Melbourne is a fucking wonderful city and now he gets to live there
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: Damo70 on September 24, 2017, 11:00:41 PM
He looked like he was up for it in the cup against Wigan and I think he could have been useful this season. But the fact we are prepared to let him go and the seemingly lack of interest from other Championship clubs send out a message. Melbourne is my favourite city in the world but it isn't somewhere I would move to if I was a professional footballer of his age.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: adrenachrome on September 24, 2017, 11:15:26 PM
You better run
You better take cover
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: OCD on September 25, 2017, 12:05:28 AM
I see Bruce has talked about Adomah having a good attitude, being professional and doing everything he could to get back into the side. Apparently things McCormack didn't do.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: ROBBO on September 25, 2017, 12:06:13 AM
Correct would never live anywhere else.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: adrenachrome on September 25, 2017, 12:11:53 AM
Correct would never live anywhere else.

Unless you were a professonal footballer.

On the other hand, we have a few who would quite clearly like to live in Las Vegas.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: Ads on September 25, 2017, 06:47:37 AM
Lucky bugger. He can't get himself tickets for Boxing Day at the G as well.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: robbo1874 on September 25, 2017, 09:55:06 AM
Isn’t he Scottish? Prob less interest in watching the ashes than he had for training at BMH.

Actually that’s probably a bit harsh, I know a Scottish fella here who is bang into the cricket.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: frank black on September 29, 2017, 07:35:14 AM
Good to see him off the books for a while. Signed for Melbourne and apparently replacing the injured Bruno Tonioli..

SEVEN!
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: The Edge on September 29, 2017, 08:13:58 AM
Normally when player's make a career move like this I would wish him all the best. But after his pathetic efforts since his expensive for us and lucrative for him move to our club I'm just glad to see the back of the ungrateful bastard. He had a great opportunity at our famous old club and decided he would party, party instead of concentrating on his day job. Pound for pound one of the worst signings in the club's history. Good riddance.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack
Post by: postal on September 29, 2017, 10:34:05 AM
Normally when player's make a career move like this I would wish him all the best. But after his pathetic efforts since his expensive for us and lucrative for him move to our club I'm just glad to see the back of the ungrateful bastard. He had a great opportunity at our famous old club and decided he would party, party instead of concentrating on his day job. Pound for pound one of the worst signings in the club's history. Good riddance.

I wish him all the best, but he didnt really show the right attitude, and that nonsense about his gate (GateGate?) was pitiful.
So long fat head.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - JOINS MELBOURNE CITY
Post by: sonyhill on September 29, 2017, 02:19:12 PM
Sounds like an end of career move doesn't it. 

Still, it's summer there soon... he might lose some weight!
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - JOINS MELBOURNE CITY
Post by: achilles on September 29, 2017, 02:25:22 PM
Correct would never live anywhere else.

You can keep tabs on him then and let us know if he gets any more trouble with gates!
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - JOINS MELBOURNE CITY
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 29, 2017, 04:58:39 PM
What a signing.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - JOINS MELBOURNE CITY
Post by: Comrade Blitz on September 29, 2017, 05:05:17 PM
...and the horse you rode in on.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - JOINS MELBOURNE CITY
Post by: supertom on September 29, 2017, 07:12:09 PM
Sounds like an end of career move doesn't it. 

Still, it's summer there soon... he might lose some weight!
He's more likely to come back with a massive Fosters gut.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - JOINS MELBOURNE CITY
Post by: VILLA MOLE on September 29, 2017, 07:24:37 PM
I would like to find a bigger waste of money
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - JOINS MELBOURNE CITY
Post by: brian green on September 29, 2017, 07:59:33 PM
There is not much in Melbourn but there are a couple of half decent pubs in Duxford and a strip club in Royston.

A joke for Doc Butler and other residents of North Hertfordshire.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - JOINS MELBOURNE CITY
Post by: Rudy65 on September 29, 2017, 08:41:37 PM
Shocking waste of money. We didn't do our due diligence. Be amazed if there weren't some warning signs before we signed him
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - JOINS MELBOURNE CITY
Post by: Risso on September 29, 2017, 09:08:43 PM
Fat and shit.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - JOINS MELBOURNE CITY
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 29, 2017, 11:15:03 PM
One of a number of pitiful wankers to wear our coveted shirt in recent years.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - JOINS MELBOURNE CITY
Post by: Newby on September 29, 2017, 11:50:59 PM
Out of sight...........
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - JOINS MELBOURNE CITY
Post by: Damo70 on September 30, 2017, 10:44:00 AM
There is not much in Melbourn but there are a couple of half decent pubs in Duxford and a strip club in Royston.

A joke for Doc Butler and other residents of North Hertfordshire.


I did have a wonderful stag night in Melbourne involving The Crown Casino and The Gentleman's Club where some nice ladies took their clothes off and danced for us.

I will have to ask my cousin who lives in Victoria how McCormack is getting on.

Having said that my cousin is a nose so he obviously knows f**k all about football.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - JOINS MELBOURNE CITY
Post by: brian green on September 30, 2017, 10:55:15 AM
Melbourn has never been the same since they closed the asbestos factory.  Many of the residents moved to Essendon just down the road.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - JOINS MELBOURNE CITY
Post by: Damo70 on September 30, 2017, 11:09:16 AM
Melbourn has never been the same since they closed the asbestos factory.  Many of the residents moved to Essendon just down the road.

Wasn't Essendon the bloke Wycombe bought out of the Exchange & Mart who scored a quarter final winner against Leicester?
I am more of an Altona man.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - JOINS MELBOURNE CITY
Post by: Damo70 on September 30, 2017, 11:12:28 AM
Melbourn has never been the same since they closed the asbestos factory.  Many of the residents moved to Essendon just down the road.


'Melbourn' has never been the same since they dropped the 'E' at the end of it's name Brian ;)
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - JOINS MELBOURNE CITY
Post by: Risso on September 30, 2017, 02:20:29 PM
If it helps, I’ve just driven through Melchbourne on the way to taking my daughter to a hockey match in Bedford.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - JOINS MELBOURNE CITY
Post by: kieron on September 30, 2017, 07:52:06 PM
It's quite incredible that this bloke who has done a grand total of fuck all for us, still has 86 pages spoken about him.

James Chester, 15 pages.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - JOINS MELBOURNE CITY
Post by: The Man With A Stick on September 30, 2017, 08:13:57 PM
Fat loser.  Says it all that he'd rather take the easy option and play in a joke league rather than knuckle down and work his way back into the reckoning either here or at another Championship club.

I'm sure he'll have a great quality of life down there but give it a couple of years and he'd have had all the time in the world to sit on a beach doing sod all.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - JOINS MELBOURNE CITY
Post by: olaftab on September 30, 2017, 08:15:16 PM
Melbourn has never been the same since they closed the asbestos factory.  Many of the residents moved to Essendon just down the road.

Wasn't Essendon the bloke Wycombe bought out of the Exchange & Mart who scored a quarter final winner against Leicester?
I am more of an Altona man.
I think its a great gesture to name a small town in Derbyshire after an Australian city.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - JOINS MELBOURNE CITY
Post by: Colhint on September 30, 2017, 08:19:10 PM
He hasn't gone to Melbourne. Fake news.

How could he get past the departure gate?
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - JOINS MELBOURNE CITY
Post by: boozey182 on September 30, 2017, 08:43:22 PM
I might be way off here, but with Wyness talking about partnerships with other teams abroad, we may here about something with Melbourne soon. It seems a bit of an odd deal to come right out of the blue. In other news, 2+2 may equal 5....
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - JOINS MELBOURNE CITY
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 30, 2017, 09:16:26 PM
Aren't Melbourne part of the Man. City 'family'?
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - JOINS MELBOURNE CITY
Post by: OzVilla on September 30, 2017, 09:34:29 PM
Aren't Melbourne part of the Man. City 'family'?

Yes.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - JOINS MELBOURNE CITY
Post by: boozey182 on September 30, 2017, 11:13:33 PM
Aren't Melbourne part of the Man. City 'family'?

Yes.


Ha! In which case, I'm talking absolute rubbish. As you were...
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - JOINS MELBOURNE CITY
Post by: LeeB on October 01, 2017, 12:08:49 AM
He hasn't gone to Melbourne. Fake news.

How could he get past the departure gate?

About 5 days late with that mate, but fair play anyway.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - JOINS MELBOURNE CITY
Post by: eamonn on October 01, 2017, 03:18:37 AM
Do Oz clubs have the money to pay English wages? Hopefully they're covering a fair whack of his wedge.
Title: Ross McCormack starts for Melborne City
Post by: Desi on October 06, 2017, 09:56:49 AM
Kick off 7 pm (10 am UK) Friday, in the opening game of the A-League season.

Will be interesting to see if he lasts 90 minutes@!
Title: Re: Ross McCormack starts for Melborne City
Post by: St AustellAVFC on October 06, 2017, 10:06:34 AM
Shame it didn’t work out here for him, what ever problems he’s had/got hopefully he gets over it. Good luck to him.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack starts for Melborne City
Post by: TheMalandro on October 06, 2017, 10:07:47 AM
Massimo Maccarone is playing for the opposition!
Title: Re: Ross McCormack starts for Melborne City
Post by: PGW on October 06, 2017, 10:26:20 AM
0  0 after 30. Live on BT Sports
Title: Re: Ross McCormack starts for Melborne City
Post by: brian green on October 06, 2017, 10:44:38 AM
Nobody wants to pasta Maccarone.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack starts for Melborne City
Post by: eddiemunster on October 06, 2017, 11:08:27 AM
 I think your being a bit Pici. They might get a Penne.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack starts for Melborne City
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on October 06, 2017, 11:25:46 AM
All these Italian stereotypical analogies are pasta joke now.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack starts for Melborne City
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on October 06, 2017, 11:27:53 AM
1-0 to Melbourne guess who scored it.  Of course it wasn't.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack starts for Melborne City
Post by: PGW on October 06, 2017, 11:51:26 AM
FT 2-0 and no he didn't.
Was subbed on 82.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack starts for Melborne City
Post by: yammers on October 06, 2017, 12:04:08 PM
Thought I heard the commentator state they’d paid 20 million dollars for him, is that right?! Isn’t that nearly 10 million here?
Title: Re: Ross McCormack starts for Melborne City
Post by: PGW on October 06, 2017, 12:09:10 PM
Thought I heard the commentator state they’d paid 20 million dollars for him, is that right?! Isn’t that nearly 10 million here?
I think they were referring to what we paid for him.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack starts for Melborne City
Post by: Damo70 on October 06, 2017, 10:51:46 PM
FT 2-0 and no he didn't.
Was subbed on 82.


I had a bet on Melbourne in that game, totally forgetting that McCormack had gone there. Thanks to this thread I didn't have to chase up the score. The odds were 10/11.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - JOINS MELBOURNE CITY
Post by: Desi on October 21, 2017, 09:26:17 AM
21/10 Ross McCorma, 20k scores 30 yard free kick to give MCY a 1 - 00 lead with 20 mins to play.

He actually looks pretty fit!
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - JOINS MELBOURNE CITY
Post by: cdbullyweefan on October 21, 2017, 09:28:16 AM
Bastard. Wellington Phoenix are my A-League team of choice.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - JOINS MELBOURNE CITY
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on October 21, 2017, 05:21:29 PM
21/10 Ross McCorma, 20k scores 30 yard free kick to give MCY a 1 - 00 lead with 20 mins to play.

He actually looks pretty fit!

Good. Hope he does well and gets back in shape.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - JOINS MELBOURNE CITY
Post by: MattW on October 28, 2017, 11:00:15 AM
Two more goals from set pieces for Melbourne City tonight - penalty and (an excellent) free kick.

Videos here (https://www.a-league.com.au/). Unsure whether they are geo-blocked.

Still HT.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - JOINS MELBOURNE CITY
Post by: SoccerHQ on October 28, 2017, 11:01:10 AM
So left us and instantly remembered how to take free kicks again.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - JOINS MELBOURNE CITY
Post by: pauliewalnuts on October 28, 2017, 11:05:42 AM
Excellent free kick.

Still looks porky, though.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - JOINS MELBOURNE CITY
Post by: CT on October 28, 2017, 09:32:30 PM
He was probably going to bag a few goals in a league that's comparable with League 1 here.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - JOINS MELBOURNE CITY
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on October 28, 2017, 11:32:24 PM
He always was excellent with a deadball. Good to see he is getting goals again. Hopefully he can turn his career around, come back and be the player we thought we were getting.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - JOINS MELBOURNE CITY
Post by: TheMalandro on October 28, 2017, 11:33:34 PM
Good luck to the fat, unprofessional wee chap.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - JOINS MELBOURNE CITY
Post by: eamonn on October 29, 2017, 01:39:09 AM
Do they have the money to buy him?

Title: Re: Ross McCormack - JOINS MELBOURNE CITY
Post by: mr underhill on October 29, 2017, 02:30:27 PM
You mean Australia, or just the club?
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - JOINS MELBOURNE CITY
Post by: Ad@m on November 10, 2017, 12:19:06 PM
Do they have the money to buy him?

Aren't they owned by Man City?
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - JOINS MELBOURNE CITY
Post by: TheMalandro on November 22, 2017, 01:28:45 PM
He's been suspended by the team. Dunno why.


.... Ah he missed training! Birmingham Mail (shudder) say he was left out of the last match.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - JOINS MELBOURNE CITY
Post by: mrfuse on November 22, 2017, 02:13:02 PM
He's been suspended by the team. Dunno why.


.... Ah he missed training! Birmingham Mail (shudder) say he was left out of the last match.

Coincidentally the house has the same manufactured gates as the ones he has in the midlands.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - JOINS MELBOURNE CITY
Post by: Villafirst on November 22, 2017, 02:38:04 PM
Late for training! Who'd have thought! I don't think we want to try and recall him! Rather play Harry McKirdy.....
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - JOINS MELBOURNE CITY
Post by: passport1 on November 22, 2017, 02:59:45 PM
You would have thought he would have worked out how to leap the gates watching Kangeroos
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - JOINS MELBOURNE CITY
Post by: frank black on November 22, 2017, 07:38:40 PM
What a monumental knob that man is.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - JOINS MELBOURNE CITY
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on November 22, 2017, 09:15:52 PM
What an idiot.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - JOINS MELBOURNE CITY
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on November 22, 2017, 09:35:11 PM
His wilful dereliction of duty has probably reduced his value on the transfer market to near zero. That has effectively cost the club £12m plus his wages for the rest of his contract.

In a fair legal system the club should be able to cancel his contract and offset the amount owed him against the loss of transfer value. Indeed were it to actually go to court as a test case I think we would have a decent chance of setting some new case law against primadonna footballers.

Sadly we will just suck up the loss.

I really thought he was a great signing. Meh.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - JOINS MELBOURNE CITY
Post by: Risso on November 22, 2017, 09:42:16 PM
I hoped that the bumping of this thread was an indication of Ross sorting himself out, and that with 8 goals in 10 games by January, he'd be coming back to us fit, motivated and ready to fight for our promotion cause.  Instead I read that the bone idle twat has skipped training again.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - JOINS MELBOURNE CITY
Post by: Diablo on November 23, 2017, 04:51:05 PM
I hoped that the bumping of this thread was an indication of Ross sorting himself out, and that with 8 goals in 10 games by January, he'd be coming back to us fit, motivated and ready to fight for our promotion cause.  Instead I read that the bone idle twat has skipped training again.
A day late I had thought and hoped the same thing. FFS.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - JOINS MELBOURNE CITY
Post by: West Derby Villan on November 23, 2017, 04:57:20 PM
I hoped that the bumping of this thread was an indication of Ross sorting himself out, and that with 8 goals in 10 games by January, he'd be coming back to us fit, motivated and ready to fight for our promotion cause.  Instead I read that the bone idle twat has skipped training again.
A day late I had thought and hoped the same thing. FFS.

Bugger!
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - JOINS MELBOURNE CITY
Post by: brian green on November 23, 2017, 05:15:32 PM
We really do seem to have an unrivalled ability to find total wankers.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - JOINS MELBOURNE CITY
Post by: Comrade Blitz on November 23, 2017, 06:21:46 PM
His new manager refuting claims of a suspension now:


https://www.fourfourtwo.com.au/news/joyce-addresses-mccormack-suspension-reports-478278 (https://www.fourfourtwo.com.au/news/joyce-addresses-mccormack-suspension-reports-478278)
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - JOINS MELBOURNE CITY
Post by: brentastonb6 on November 23, 2017, 11:39:32 PM
His wilful dereliction of duty has probably reduced his value on the transfer market to near zero. That has effectively cost the club £12m plus his wages for the rest of his contract.

In a fair legal system the club should be able to cancel his contract and offset the amount owed him against the loss of transfer value. Indeed were it to actually go to court as a test case I think we would have a decent chance of setting some new case law against primadonna footballers.

Sadly we will just suck up the loss.

I really thought he was a great signing. Meh.

I like this potential solution, have you suggested it to the board ?
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - JOINS MELBOURNE CITY
Post by: OCD on November 24, 2017, 12:43:48 AM
There must be an argument that he's in breach of contract. He's acted in such an unprofessional manner; he deserves to go through a legal case even if he was found not guilty.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - JOINS MELBOURNE CITY
Post by: eamonn on November 24, 2017, 03:26:50 AM
So there's quotes from his manager about missing training through injury and donating a man of the match fee to the kit man because he thought he didn't play well...what a rotter.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - JOINS MELBOURNE CITY
Post by: Lastfootstamper on November 24, 2017, 10:40:48 AM
So there's quotes from his manager about missing training through injury and donating a man of the match fee to the kit man because he thought he didn't play well...what a rotter.

What, you mean you'd sooner believe what someone's actually said rather than work yourself up into a state over an unfounded rumour repeated ad nauseum by any outlet with a sports page that comes across it?

I dunno, some people just don't seem to understand the internet...
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - JOINS MELBOURNE CITY
Post by: passitsideways on November 24, 2017, 11:14:16 AM
Just whacked in another free kick, must be getting offered pies for each one he scores.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - JOINS MELBOURNE CITY
Post by: XXVilla on November 24, 2017, 08:23:11 PM
Manager saving face. He’s definitely giving it the tude.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - JOINS MELBOURNE CITY
Post by: SirSteveUK on November 27, 2017, 03:57:15 PM
Source?
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - JOINS MELBOURNE CITY
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on November 27, 2017, 04:38:58 PM
No! Gravy ;-)
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - JOINS MELBOURNE CITY
Post by: West Derby Villan on November 27, 2017, 06:35:43 PM
No! Gravy ;-)


LOL bravo!
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - JOINS MELBOURNE CITY
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on December 16, 2017, 01:06:46 AM
Mr Mccormack has now done his ACL and is out for the rest of the season.  So that’s it as far as we are concerned.  I assume he was trying to leap the gates on his rented condo in Melbourne at the time.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - JOINS MELBOURNE CITY
Post by: villan from luton on December 16, 2017, 01:11:33 AM
Thats a real bollox. We were due to get deck all for him and now we are going to get deck all for him. I was actually enthused by his signing, but what a disappointment
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - JOINS MELBOURNE CITY
Post by: sickbeggar on December 16, 2017, 08:29:22 AM
oh well. Get him fit in time for the new manager next season.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - JOINS MELBOURNE CITY
Post by: Ad@m on December 16, 2017, 08:47:18 AM
In a 31 year old that sort of injury could be a career finisher.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - JOINS MELBOURNE CITY
Post by: OzVilla on December 16, 2017, 08:50:16 AM
He finished his own career when he decided to stop trying the useless waste of space.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - JOINS MELBOURNE CITY
Post by: manic-road on December 16, 2017, 09:16:15 AM
In a 31 year old that sort of injury could be a career finisher.

I remember when we put an insurance claim in on John Fashanu and got our money back when he got a career ending injury.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - JOINS MELBOURNE CITY
Post by: Tayls_7 on December 16, 2017, 09:22:21 AM
The immense strain his limbs and joints must be under when trying to perform as an athlete would (see Gabby). Poor things.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - JOINS MELBOURNE CITY
Post by: Rigadon on December 16, 2017, 10:18:32 AM
And his journey towards being  complete and utter waste of money is now complete.  Bravo!
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - JOINS MELBOURNE CITY
Post by: LeeB on December 16, 2017, 10:37:20 AM
Pound for pound our worst ever singing, and I’m talking in both currency and weight terms.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - JOINS MELBOURNE CITY
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on December 16, 2017, 12:31:12 PM
SCOTTISH international striker Ross McCormack will miss the rest of the season with a knee injury, leaving his career in limbo and Melbourne City’s striking stocks depleted.

City is without a recognised senior striker for Saturday’s Melbourne derby at AAMI Park, with Bruno Fornaroli (ankle) still 5-6 weeks away from returning while Tim Cahill departed 11 days ago.

Despite City’s insistence on moving on from the Cahill saga, his controversial exit — after a mutual termination was agreed — will inevitably return to the spotlight after McCormack’s injury.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - JOINS MELBOURNE CITY
Post by: CT on December 16, 2017, 02:49:44 PM
45k a week for doing nothing should ease his pain. He's been doing that since the day he joined. What an appalling signing he's been. Right up there with Micah Richards.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - JOINS MELBOURNE CITY
Post by: eddiemunster on December 16, 2017, 02:54:48 PM
And to think, he'll be getting that amount of money until at least June 2020, when his contract with the Villa runs out.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - JOINS MELBOURNE CITY
Post by: Ad@m on December 16, 2017, 03:43:58 PM
And to think, he'll be getting that amount of money until at least June 2020, when his contract with the Villa runs out.

On the plus side though, now he's injured his wages should be covered by the insurance company.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - JOINS MELBOURNE CITY
Post by: Rudy65 on December 16, 2017, 04:14:36 PM
And to think, he'll be getting that amount of money until at least June 2020, when his contract with the Villa runs out.

On the plus side though, now he's injured his wages should be covered by the insurance company.

Doubt it. Insurance only pays out when they retire through injury
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - JOINS MELBOURNE CITY
Post by: LeeB on December 16, 2017, 04:31:41 PM
And to think, he'll be getting that amount of money until at least June 2020, when his contract with the Villa runs out.

On the plus side though, now he's injured his wages should be covered by the insurance company.

Doubt it. Insurance only pays out when they retire through injury

It’s a shame we didn’t add ‘Fat & Shit” cover to the policy.
Title: Re: Ross McCormack - JOINS MELBOURNE CITY
Post by: Villa in Denmark on December 16, 2017, 04:32:23