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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Toronto Villa on July 08, 2016, 01:19:13 PM
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Seeing as by all accounts this one is about to happen in the next 48 hours, medical scheduled and all that.
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balls are rolling
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balls are rolling
Are we using Guenevere or Lanacelot tonight?
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balls are rolling
...for the Claret and Blue
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balls are rolling
Is that part of the medical?
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if it is he's straight back to Reading
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balls are rolling
None of our players had any last season
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Looks an athlete, solidly built. I'm looking forward to this happening.
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Hope he is a bit like Matuidi who impressed me in most of the France games.
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Hope he is a bit like Matuidi who impressed me in most of the France games.
He just waltzed past players.
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Reading fans seem to think this guy is going to be very special. Interesting first 3 signings. Straight down the spine one a clear leader and captain and 2 very highly rated prospects. Can't help think they are with next season in mind too. Suggestions are that a creative midfielder and 2 strikers are still on the hit list.
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Reading fans seem to think this guy is going to be very special. Interesting first 3 signings. Straight down the spine one a clear leader and captain and 2 very highly rated prospects. Can't help think they are with next season in mind too. Suggestions are that a creative midfielder and 2 strikers are still on the hit list.
I'd hope some more defenders are on their way too!
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A right back agreed but being that why? Elphick Okore Baker Clark Lescott Amavi Cissokho Hutton Richards. If the likes of Richards and Lescott are still here come September we are going to have to use them if required. RDM wont load more in there until some leave I don't think.
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Yes, especially as RDM has said the squad is bloated as it is.
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Yes, especially as RDM has said the squad is bloated as it is.
no I think he said Gabby is bloated
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balls are rolling
...tonight's machine is Arthur, chosen by Douglas Ellis from Four Oaks
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Sign why don't ya..?
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My Reading supporter mate just posted on Facebook that he is gutted to be losing this guy and that he could be the next Pogba.
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My Reading supporter mate just posted on Facebook that he is gutted to be losing this guy and that he could be the next Pogba.
Would be nice but let's not get too carried away.
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So we are signing the next Pogba and next Buffon in the same week?
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Hope he is a bit like Matuidi who impressed me in most of the France games.
He just waltzed past players.
;D
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Some people are suggesting we're paying over the odds at £5M for this guy. Just take a look at the Gossip column on the BBC Football site. Transfer prices of £15 to £40M are rife. £5M is indeed peanuts these days. Also, it's interesting to see our profile on the Gossip column no longer exists, a result of being in the Second tier. I just hope we can get back to the PL at the first attempt, otherwise we run the risk of being left cut adrift of the rest for years. Crazy money in the PL with the new TV deal.
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Some people are suggesting we're paying over the odds at £5M for this guy. Just take a look at the Gossip column on the BBC Football site. Transfer prices of £15 to £40M are rife. £5M is indeed peanuts these days. Also, it's interesting to see our profile on the Gossip column no longer exists, a result of being in the Second tier. I just hope we can get back to the PL at the first attempt, otherwise we run the risk of being left cut adrift of the rest for years. Crazy money in the PL with the new TV deal.
Crazy money - yes.
Wasted by many - probably.
Leaving us - in a great place. If RdM / Clarke spend the dosh wisely and build a coherent and committed squad we can not only go back at the first time of asking but also be well-placed in the following season.
What Eddie Howe is doing at Bournemouth bears learning from.
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Bournemouth bears
I thought they were the Cherries
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Bournemouth bears
I thought they were the Cherries
Like.
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Some people are suggesting we're paying over the odds at £5M for this guy. Just take a look at the Gossip column on the BBC Football site. Transfer prices of £15 to £40M are rife. £5M is indeed peanuts these days. Also, it's interesting to see our profile on the Gossip column no longer exists, a result of being in the Second tier. I just hope we can get back to the PL at the first attempt, otherwise we run the risk of being left cut adrift of the rest for years. Crazy money in the PL with the new TV deal.
The crazy money in the PL is generally being spent on the same players, either in transfers or wages i.e. money in is generally equalling money out. This means that the clubs are not getting much stronger, only if they are strengthening from overseas. The wise clubs are saving some of the 'new' income for a later day but I do not see much of that at the moment.
I do not see the future being much different for promoted clubs catching up in that, if you have money to spend when you are promoted and you already have a well balanced attack minded team, you generally survive and build from there. The bigger the club, the easier it is.
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My Reading supporter mate just posted on Facebook that he is gutted to be losing this guy and that he could be the next Pogba.
He didnt say salifiou was the Togolese Zidane did he?
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Update: B'ham Mail saying Villa are just waiting on the medical results for the deal to be completed.
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Lets hope we can get him signed up asap.
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Loads of Twitter stuff saying just completed!
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Loads of Twitter stuff saying just completed!
Yep, just saw that....Hope it's true!
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Dont know anything about him except he didn't play many games last season. Has he only just broke into their first team?
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He's like Patrick Vieira but drives a Sierra.
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Dont know anything about him except he didn't play many games last season. Has he only just broke into their first team?
I read on this thread that he was injured for a lot of last season.
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Wikipedia states his current team is Aston Villa..
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the results of the medical seem to be taking forever.
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Autocorrect spelling is going to love him.
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the results of the medical seem to be taking forever.
Always seems to be the case with our targets.
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Get Reading newspaper reporting he's passed the medical and will be unveiled today ahead of joining up with the rest of the squad in Austria.
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the results of the medical seem to be taking forever.
Always seems to be the case with our targets.
What are you basing that on? Do you know how long medicals take at other clubs?
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Aaron Tshibola ‘set his mind’ on leaving Reading for Aston Villa, according to Jaap Stam.
Royals’ boss went on record recently saying he had no intention of selling the impressive young midfielder this summer.
But just a few days later Villa had a £5 million bid accepted for the 21-year-old, leading to some suggesting Reading's owners had gone against the manager’s wishes by sanctioning the move.
Stam insists, however, that is not the case and that everyone at the club wanted to keep hold of Tshibola.
But the situation changed when Tshibola made it clear he had no intention of sticking around.
“It’s not just about it being a tough bid to turn down,” said Reading’s manager - who led his side to a 5-0 win at Boreham Wood on Saturday.
“The voice of a player counts as well.
“I said I wanted Tish to stay because he’s a very good player, I think everyone within the club wanted him to stay.
“An offer came in for him and of course you have to think about what to do - but then you have the player as well.
“If the player wants to leave and had set his mind on leaving the club then what can you do and that point?
Stam added: “I spoke to him but there are a lot of people around him talking and saying things as well.
“If everybody is telling him to leave and he wants to leave himself then we have to deal with it.”
Tshibola’s switch to Villa Park is expected to be confirmed later today.
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Confirmed: https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/752110157807620096
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Confirmed: https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/752110157807620096
Nice bit of shirt stretching there
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnAHuXcWAAAi06S.jpg)
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That is a solid shirt stretch. Not next to a goalpost which might have drawn a -1 in style points but this is a new era. Welcome to Aston Villa to the new Paul Pogba.
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Excellent shirt-stretchage. Welcome aboard son!
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welcome Arron I know little about you but wish you every success at the best club you'll play for!
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welcome - looks a great signing
I am liking the signings so far
A few of the crap to go and a new dawn is arriving .
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The manager has said the squad is too big so I like that he is bringing players in that he wants while evaluating the squad. Players will certainly move on but means there isn't a sense of desperation about how we are building for the new season.
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How is his surname pronounced anyone know? Is is a silent 't'?
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How is his surname pronounced anyone know? Is is a silent 't'?
Yep Shibola
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My, my, my, Tshibola
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Welcome young man. Now do the business.
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Looks like RDM is getting off to a good start getting the important spine of the team strengthened.
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Hello Tosh got a Tshibola?
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Maybe stick with Aaron. It's easier.
Welcome to AVFC
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Welcome, Aaron, to the best bloody football club in the World.
The shirt stretching is very impressive...looks like he's using it as part of a work-out!
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Promising signing. Would still like an Elphick type signing in midfield, to give us a bit more experience but this is a good start.
Edit - forgot to add that of course I hope Stan could be that player.
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Welcome Tish.
RDM only a decent striker away from replacing the spine of the team already.
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Welcome Tish.
RDM only a decent striker away from replacing the spine of the team already.
Didn't see much evidence of a spine last season....
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Welcome Tshi.
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Welcome Aaron! Another very promising signing!
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Hope stats are misleading. Good luck to him is all I can say at this stage.
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Welcome Tish.
RDM only a decent striker away from replacing the spine of the team already.
Didn't see much evidence of a spine last season....
baddum tshi
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Welcome Aaron be awesome for us please.
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He's got a great song too, which goes to the tune of Spandau Ballet's 'Gold'.
http://www.myoldmansaid.com/aaron-tshibola-song-indestructible-gold-aston-villa-signing/
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Kid already looks good in the training pics on the OS. We needed a more imposing presence in the middle.
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http://www.getreading.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aaron-tshibola-opinion-aston-villa-11566109
Good article on him
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http://www.getreading.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aaron-tshibola-opinion-aston-villa-11566109
Good article on him
Good signing.Sounds like a beast.
The Robbie & Steve show is starting to gain momentum. Bring it on.
Welcome to the Villa Tish.
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http://www.getreading.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aaron-tshibola-opinion-aston-villa-11566109
Good article on him
There's a link at the bottom with Clarke talking about the player when he was manager. The fact that the coach knows him well and still wanted to sign him can only be a good thing. In fact he was probably identified as a potential signing before Clarke had see our current squad in training which again suggests that Clarke wanted him regardless of what talent we already have.
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http://www.getreading.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aaron-tshibola-opinion-aston-villa-11566109
Good article on him
Thanks for the link, an interesting read and I had no idea that Jaap Stam was their manager now.
Welcome to the Villa Aaron.
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I like players where the description ox is used.
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Gabby was heavier than an ox last season.
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I like players where the description ox is used.
you'd have loved it last season then, half the squad were complete bollox
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It's interesting that all 3 players we've signed are one's that the coaching staff knew directly. It suggests that they're going with what they know and that the scouting network needs to be totally rebuilt.
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To be fair the first signings of a new regime are often players they know from former clubs. Especially if the new regime includes Harry Rednapp.
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To be fair the first signings of a new regime are often players they know from former clubs. Especially if the new regime includes Harry Rednapp.
...Or Sam Alladyce.
What was the direct connection with the Keeper and Elphick?
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The new keeper was somebody the goalkeeping coach recommended and with Elphick, I'm guessing either Clarke or RDM knew him from when he led Bournemouth up.
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The new keeper was somebody the goalkeeping coach recommended and with Elphick, I'm guessing either Clarke or RDM knew him from when he led Bournemouth up.
Think RDM is close with Poyet, who managed Elphick at Brighton.
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His first interview is great.
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Lets hope we Coe up with a better song for him than this!
https://audioboom.com/boos/2987816-hartlepool-fans-sing-the-aaron-tshibola-song
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He's like Patrick Vieira but drives a Sierra.
Don't start talking about Villa players and their cars. It is still a touchy point.
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in this case. only because a Sierra shows an alarming lack of taste in the opposite direction
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I like players where the description ox is used.
you'd have loved it last season then, half the squad were complete bollox
They certainly had the testicular fortitude of a group of oxen.
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Lets hope we Coe up with a better song for him than this!
https://audioboom.com/boos/2987816-hartlepool-fans-sing-the-aaron-tshibola-song
Maybe something by Belle & Sebastian?
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Good that he can clearly stand out at that level - anyone know if they were in League One then?
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Bottom of league two.
They stayed up though.
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Lets hope we Coe up with a better song for him than this!
https://audioboom.com/boos/2987816-hartlepool-fans-sing-the-aaron-tshibola-song
Fucking hell, what on earth were they thinking?
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do people from Hartlepool think? I mean, didn't they shoot a monkey believing it to be a (German) spy?
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They hung it as a (French) spy. The monkey was lucky, I've been to Hartlepool and a quick death is a blessing.
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Turned down the Baggies to come to us. So confident we're going straight back up was prepared to drop a division. I like him already.
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During this time ships often employed young boys to carry gun powder to the cannons. These boys were known as powder-monkeys. So there's quite a strong school of thought that they just killed a French 12 year old who survived a shipwreck, which is far less funny but arguably more likely.
I've always doubted the hanged monkey story to be true as wouldn't it just climb up the rope making it impossible?
Anyway Reading fans seem gutted to lose this lad and if Gana goes he seems like a direct replacement in a vital position so I'm pretty happy about it.
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Lets hope we Coe up with a better song for him than this!
https://audioboom.com/boos/2987816-hartlepool-fans-sing-the-aaron-tshibola-song
Maybe something by Belle & Sebastian?
Stars of Track and Field?
(You chip em up...!)
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Lets hope we Coe up with a better song for him than this!
https://audioboom.com/boos/2987816-hartlepool-fans-sing-the-aaron-tshibola-song
Maybe something by Belle & Sebastian?
Stars of Track and Field?
(You chip em up...!)
That's gone way over my head
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Doesn't Kevin Bond watch Bournemouth a lot too and will know of Elphick. Think he was a bit of steal in the end.
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Aaron Tshibola speaks.
Aaron Tshibola: Aston Villa move was a 'no-brainer' says former Reading midfielder.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36802982
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Did Tshibola play today? If so, any good?
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Played first half. Not sure how
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Aaron Tshibola speaks.
Aaron Tshibola: Aston Villa move was a 'no-brainer' says former Reading midfielder.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36802982
Sounds very much like he dodged the same question that got Bacuna into trouble.
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Did somebody mention he had pace?
A season on loan with a decent team in the Championship will do him the world of good.
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I thought he was decent enough. Had one good shot and got stuck in. With a better player alongside him he could be a solid player.
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Westwood and him would benefit from playing next to one another rather than the sadly abysmal Gardner.
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Westwood and him would benefit from playing next to one another rather than the sadly abysmal Gardner.
Villa would benefit from Westwood playing for another team
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Westwood and him would benefit from playing next to one another rather than the sadly abysmal Gardner.
Villa would benefit from Westwood playing for another team
Well the midfield looked a fuck load better with him in it on Sunday.
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I thought he was decent enough. Had one good shot and got stuck in. With a better player alongside him he could be a solid player.
technically looks solid and a decent athlete to boot, maybe a future box to box midfielder
unfortunately, like many British young players he appears to have zero tactical discipline or positional awareness
dont recall him putting in a tackle all night either
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I thought he won the ball back a few times. I may have mis-remembered due to shell-shock.
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Like Baker benefited from Elphick, he'd benefit from a Barry type being in the squad.
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I thought he was decent enough. Had one good shot and got stuck in. With a better player alongside him he could be a solid player.
technically looks solid and a decent athlete to boot, maybe a future box to box midfielder
unfortunately, like many British young players he appears to have zero tactical discipline or positional awareness
dont recall him putting in a tackle all night either
In fairness harsh to judge his positional sense when everything was crumbling around him. He needs time and an experienced pro next to him.
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Anyway, if nobody else comes in, it should be Tshibola and Westwood in the middle on Saturday.
I may leave if Gardner starts.
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Anyway, if nobody else comes in, it should be Tshibola and Westwood in the middle on Saturday.
I may leave if Gardner starts.
Agreed
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If Gardner starts Saturday then I reckon Eric Black is wearing a RDM disguise.
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too early to tell. Walked into a club on its knees and at 21 he should have players around him setting an example of what it means to play for us. Hopefully by the end of August he will have
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Thought he was poor, he needs a chance to settle mind
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Does gloom quite ready just yet. The potential us there, but I think he needs to be brought on gradually.
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What did people expect, he's played 15 games at this level, not 150 like say someone like Will Hughes probably has.
I hate how he sign players with limited experience for decent money and then laud them and expect them to be something they ain't. We did it with Bennett, Lowton and Westwood.
For me if you sign an inexperienced player you should also get a more experienced player in that area to level things out and so they can learn.
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Diame should have been targeted especially at similar price and a few others. Early days but needs Some next too him
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Diame should have been targeted especially at similar price and a few others. Early days but needs Some next too him
Well we did apparently try to hijack the Toon's bid.
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One day we'll spend a lot of money on a player and he'll just come in and be good from the off.
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One day we'll spend a lot of money on a player and he'll just come in and be good from the off.
Who was the last player that hit the ground running? Stan? Although didn't he have a wobbly spell after the spam game.
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Dion Dublin?
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Darren Bent?
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One day we'll spend a lot of money on a player and he'll just come in and be good from the off.
Who was the last player that hit the ground running? Stan? Although didn't he have a wobbly spell after the spam game.
Petrov was great in his first match then poor for the rest of the season, i thought
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Yeah that was my recollection.
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One day we'll spend a lot of money on a player and he'll just come in and be good from the off.
Who was the last player that hit the ground running? Stan? Although didn't he have a wobbly spell after the spam game.
Petrov was great in his first match then poor for the rest of the season, i thought
didn't he get moved from a position he made his name in Scotland to a defensive midfielder. He just needed time to get used to it. As West Ham I thought we had signed the new Platt.
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One day we'll spend a lot of money on a player and he'll just come in and be good from the off.
Who was the last player that hit the ground running? Stan? Although didn't he have a wobbly spell after the spam game.
Petrov was great in his first match then poor for the rest of the season, i thought
Bent came in and hit the ground running.
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One day we'll spend a lot of money on a player and he'll just come in and be good from the off.
Who was the last player that hit the ground running? Stan? Although didn't he have a wobbly spell after the spam game.
Petrov was great in his first match then poor for the rest of the season, i thought
Bent came in and hit the ground running.
^^^^^^^ ;)
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Any sense of how significant the injury is? He was looking quite good from the little I've seen
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Seem to remember Ashley Young's best season with us was his first.
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One day we'll spend a lot of money on a player and he'll just come in and be good from the off.
Who was the last player that hit the ground running? Stan? Although didn't he have a wobbly spell after the spam game.
Milan Baros. For his début.
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Seem to remember Ashley Young's best season with us was his first.
Really?
I thought he was another one who was ropey after a promising start against Newcastle away and West Ham at home.
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Closely followed by Didier Six.
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Dublin banged around 30 in his first 4 games didn't he?
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What injury did he pick up in training? Hopefully not too serious.
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Dublin banged around 30 in his first 4 games didn't he?
No only 28 😂😂😂 remember that think he was on glue for a couple of weeks 😮
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And then scored 4 in his last 20 that season.
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Simon Stainrod
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John Carew
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Hassan Kachloul
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David Geddis....
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Heskey on debut
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Ken McNaught.
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And then scored 4 in his last 20 that season.
4 in 20....we can only dream of such excess!
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Luc Nilis smashed that screamer for us, I think that was his debut? I'm still gutted about that.
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From what I remember Dion - who I met the other day filming a Homes Under the Hammer in the local area - could have had three hat tricks in his first three games.
Spurs - scored 2 and had a legitimate goal for offside turned down.
Saints - scored his hat trick *
Liverpool - score 2 and missed a penalty.
* the beginning of the end of that season unfortunately. That bloody team photo after the game!
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The Great Andy Gray made an immediate splash after moving from the Scottish league.
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Kyle Walker stood out as a quality player from his first game against Sheff utd.
scored a cracker early on if I recall.
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From what I remember Dion - who I met the other day filming a Homes Under the Hammer in the local area - could have had three hat tricks in his first three games.
Spurs - scored 2 and had a legitimate goal for offside turned down.
Saints - scored his hat trick *
Liverpool - score 2 and missed a penalty.
* the beginning of the end of that season unfortunately. That bloody team photo after the game!
That was his second hat trick against Saints that season at The Dell, as he had one with Coventry also. Pretty rare 2 in same stadium in same competition and same season
Edit : did I dream that? Can't find any info on it... damn
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Still injured? RDM said before the international break that it wasn't serious. A groin problem I think. He's now missed over a month. I think we've missed him in midfield as he's got presence and looks powerful. Him alongside Jedinak is what I want to see. Also, Adomah to come in on the right; but another already injured.
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We've definitely missed him. To suffer Westwood for a 4th season is incomprehensible. We need his athleticism and drive to supplement Jedinak.
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Played 12 games last season , was a gamble to build the midfield around him as a pivotal member.We have no direct replacement for him.
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Hope he's not another made of glass.
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Played 12 games last season , was a gamble to build the midfield around him as a pivotal member.We have no direct replacement for him.
Spot on. We are terribly weak in midfield at the moment.
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Played 12 games last season , was a gamble to build the midfield around him as a pivotal member.We have no direct replacement for him.
Spot on. We are terribly weak in midfield at the moment.
In the 4 home matches I have seen this season there has not been a period of play when I could identify who was "running" our midfield. Both Huddersfield and Brentford had a player easily identifiable as the one pulling the strings. We seem to have two who "hold" and two who are actually forwards so we get overwhelmed in midfield - this has happened season after season. We need Sid!
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Played 12 games last season , was a gamble to build the midfield around him as a pivotal member.We have no direct replacement for him.
Spot on. We are terribly weak in midfield at the moment.
In the 4 home matches I have seen this season there has not been a period of play when I could identify who was "running" our midfield. Both Huddersfield and Brentford had a player easily identifiable as the one pulling the strings. We seem to have two who "hold" and two who are actually forwards so we get overwhelmed in midfield - this has happened season after season. We need Sid!
System seems to be the 2 in middle get the ball from defence and pass it to one of the 4 attackers and leave them to get on with it ...of course going in reverse the midfield seem to be letting the opposition just run through and allowing the defence to get on with it .It piss poor and not good enough again like previous managers we can all see it but the Muppet in charge keeps going making the same mistakes game after game
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Some one here posted on another thread that he isn't injured.
Can anyone actually confirm or deny this and provide a link to a story or report to back it up?
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Had a look at him last season and he played 500 odd minutes and picked up two long term injuries. Very big gamble on him.
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'I am expecting Aaron and Albert to train on Monday. We will see how that goes with those two. But overall the squad looks in good health.'
Definitely been injured.
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Some one here posted on another thread that he isn't injured.
Can anyone actually confirm or deny this and provide a link to a story or report to back it up?
Groin strain reported in local press and also noticed on Transfermarkt (http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/aston-villa/sperrenundverletzungen/verein/405) - the nearest thing I can find in place of Physioroom which only covers PL teams. Having said that it still shows Flabby as suspended in April so not sure how accurate it is, but it does seem to support Tshibola's been injured rather than dropped
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He trained on Monday for the first time in a while.
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Aaron will be failing a fitness test at Portman Road on Saturday.
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I'm pretty sure I heard somewhere that if Tshibola plays one more game his wage goes up £65k a week. And an extra £5k a week for every game he crosses the half way line more than 6 times. In either direction. It's why we haven't played him recently.
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Some one here posted on another thread that he isn't injured.
Can anyone actually confirm or deny this and provide a link to a story or report to back it up?
Groin strain reported in local press and also noticed on Transfermarkt (http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/aston-villa/sperrenundverletzungen/verein/405) - the nearest thing I can find in place of Physioroom which only covers PL teams. Having said that it still shows Flabby as suspended in April so not sure how accurate it is, but it does seem to support Tshibola's been injured rather than dropped
Thank you
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WM reporting he's fit along with adomah
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WM reporting he's fit along with adomah
thank fcuk
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WM reporting he's fit along with adomah
i bet they are both on bench thou
westwood will start you just know it
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which eventually will cost us more lost points and Robbie his job
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There are 46 games in this season . We have just completed game seven. Possibly RDM and his backroom team have until game 11 or 12 to show they are making progress in the right way.
Otherwise Doc Xia will lose patience and may try someone else to fit in with his view of how the season should be going.
Personally I think two seasons is about right to get promotion and form a way of performing that will see us be succesful in the top flight.
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We really need Tish to get fit and have a run of games now.
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WM reporting he's fit along with adomah
i bet they are both on bench thou
westwood will start you just know it
Every one knows that even if Westwood's name isn't on the team sheet he will still be out there on the pitch.
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I think you're probably right. RDM making noises that Tish isn't ready to go straight back in
Still. I'd prefer him off the bench to help protect a lead than Gardner
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WM reporting he's fit along with adomah
i bet they are both on bench thou
westwood will start you just know it
Every one knows that even if Westwood's name isn't on the team sheet he will still be out there on the pitch.
Do you get the feeling even if we sold him the next match he would sprint onto the pitch from the Trinity wearing an old kit...
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WM reporting he's fit along with adomah
i bet they are both on bench thou
westwood will start you just know it
Every one knows that even if Westwood's name isn't on the team sheet he will still be out there on the pitch.
Do you get the feeling even if we sold him the next match he would sprint onto the pitch from the Trinity wearing an old kit...
I've stopped questioning the origins of the Universe and our place within it. I am concentrating all my meagre brain power towards understanding how Mr.Westwood still features so prominently for da Villa.
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There are 46 games in this season . We have just completed game seven. Possibly RDM and his backroom team have until game 11 or 12 to show they are making progress in the right way.
Otherwise Doc Xia will lose patience and may try someone else to fit in with his view of how the season should be going.
Personally I think two seasons is about right to get promotion and form a way of performing that will see us be succesful in the top flight.
I agree.
I do Ron, Ron, Ron
I do Ron, Ron.
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I agree.
I do Ron, Ron, Ron
I do Ron, Ron.
Well that is Crystals clear.
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I agree.
I do Ron, Ron, Ron
I do Ron, Ron.
Well that is Crystals clear.
Spectral.
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There are amoeba on Saturn that still can't fathom why Westwood commands a starting place no matter what match, circumstance or occasion it is.
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The main reason that Pointy plays as often as he does is that he's available for most games. Unlike Tish, Jack, Jedi and midfielders of recent seasons.
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Is he fit for today?
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Yes.but possibly not to start after a few games out
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The main reason that Pointy plays as often as he does is that he's available for most games. Unlike Tish, Jack, Jedi and midfielders of recent seasons.
and the reason he's always fit is that he has a Lineker-like aversion to the physical side of the game.
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That needed saying Riss. Surprised it has never been noted before. The best steeplechasers break their necks, the worst never fall but finish last.
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The main reason that Pointy plays as often as he does is that he's available for most games. Unlike Tish, Jack, Jedi and midfielders of recent seasons.
and the reason he's always fit is that he has a Lineker-like aversion to the physical side of the game.
Yes, a Lineker-like aversion to the physical side off he game is a good comparison. Another appropriate one in my opinion would be a Lee Hendrie-like aversion to it. He was another player who managed to convince some people, including Ross on BRMB as was, that he was a tough tackling grafter. In reality he shirked tackles and ran about pretending to e hard.
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The main reason that Pointy plays as often as he does is that he's available for most games. Unlike Tish, Jack, Jedi and midfielders of recent seasons.
and the reason he's always fit is that he has a Lineker-like aversion to the physical side of the game.
Yes, a Lineker-like aversion to the physical side off he game is a good comparison. Another appropriate one in my opinion would be a Lee Hendrie-like aversion to it. He was another player who managed to convince some people, including Ross on BRMB as was, that he was a tough tackling grafter. In reality he shirked tackles and ran about pretending to e hard.
You can get away with it a bit though if you could play like Lee. Westwood can't.
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In rugby, the lightest of players are taught at a young age how to tackle and not get hurt. It is all about getting you body in the right position first. Football is no different. You do not just wave your foot as you get brushed off. Get in the right position and you can nick the ball away without having to block.
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Yes.but possibly not to start after a few games out
Or not it would seem.
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is he still injured?
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In rugby, the lightest of players are taught at a young age how to tackle and not get hurt. It is all about getting you body in the right position first. Football is no different. You do not just wave your foot as you get brushed off. Get in the right position and you can nick the ball away without having to block.
Exactly what I was thinking when Amavi injured himself so badly last season...tackling with the "wrong" foot from a position where he's having to stretch and twist at the same time! Ouch!
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Not even on the bench. What a disappointment he's been.
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Not even on the bench. What a disappointment he's been.
A very fair time given to judge him.
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Not even on the bench. What a disappointment he's been.
A very fair time given to judge him.
Are you not disappointed he's not been fit enough to play a part for us this season or is it just me?
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Hookey keeps claiming he's fit so something must have gone on from him going from a starter for the first two home games to not making the 18.
Didn't he post some dodgy Instagram pic in the international break...maybe that hasn't gone down well with the management.
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What was the picture?
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https://www.instagram.com/p/BJsOtotjxka/?taken-by=aarontshibolaa
"Sauced up"
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First time I've seen it and it looks nothing but people were criticising him on another forum for that...
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https://www.instagram.com/p/BJsOtotjxka/?taken-by=aarontshibolaa
"Sauced up"
I haven't got an Instagram account. Was he out drinking or something?
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https://www.instagram.com/p/BJsOtotjxka/?taken-by=aarontshibolaa
"Sauced up"
Eh?
I see nothing wrong
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Out in some swish bad in Mayfair. I hope they chucked him out for wearing trainers.
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https://www.instagram.com/p/BJsOtotjxka/?taken-by=aarontshibolaa
"Sauced up"
Eh?
I see nothing wrong
I agree but some people were criticising him for posting it.
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https://www.instagram.com/p/BJsOtotjxka/?taken-by=aarontshibolaa
"Sauced up"
Eh?
I see nothing wrong
Can't even see a clock or whatever to see if he has broken a curfew or something
I agree but some people were criticising him for posting it.
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That picture was from a while back and proved nothing at all, especially about why he didn't play today.
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Hookey - over to you
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I didn't expect him to start but I thought he'd be on the bench
I can't see what on earth is meant to be wrong with that Instagram picture though
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Really need him back in that midfield. He's been out for over 5 weeks now. What is the problem? RDM said he was in contention - not even on the bench!
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Bloody hell we're in big trouble if we're pinning our hopes on a player who has played a handful of games for Reading and nobody really knows if he's actually any good.
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Bloody hell we're in big trouble if we're pinning our hopes on a player who has played a handful of games for Reading and nobody really knows if he's actually any good.
Which we are, he played 500 minutes last season, less than 7 games in total time, massive over sight in the summer.
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Bloody hell we're in big trouble if we're pinning our hopes on a player who has played a handful of games for Reading and nobody really knows if he's actually any good.
Which we are, he played 500 minutes last season, less than 7 games in total time, massive over sight in the summer.
Frankly its fucking ridiculous. What was it, £5m?
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Reading fans really rated him and were gutted to see him go. But he does seem injury prone.
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Update on his condition.
#fitnessupdate
Aaron Tshibola wil be failing a late fitness test prior to the Newcastle United home match. UTV
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Sent off today for U23s. Banned for 3 games now..?
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Would he get banned for the first team?
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If he is that's ridiculous.
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Would he get banned for the first team?
I'd assume so.
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Sent off today for U23s. Banned for 3 games now..?
Second yellow so if anything it's a one game ban.
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Masterly management that. Big big game, desperately need him. Cops a ban playing for the stiffs. I give up.
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How do we always manage to find the stupid ones?
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He's been out for a few to weeks and he probably needed some game time. It wouldnt have been mentioned if he hadnt been sent off.
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Second yellow was for handball in the area. It's not like he was lunging in recklessly.
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I think the ban only applies to under 21/23 games....at least those were the prem league rules last season...
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He's been out for a few to weeks and he probably needed some game time. It wouldnt have been mentioned if he hadnt been sent off.
Well no, but the fact he was sent off is the point.
I'd like to point out here I don't blame the management, this is the player's fault.
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Surely there is somebody there with half a brain who would see what happens next once he got one card? Pull him off before he gets a second and ban. No, that is not the Villa way. Not cool enough. Fuck it, we have always got Gardner and Westwood. No sweat.
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Red cards in non-first team matches will take effect from the 14th day following dismissal.
Read more at http://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/suspensions#lb8rVb1x4IfvRu7W.99.
Whatever that means!!
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Red cards in non-first team matches will take effect from the 14th day following dismissal.
http://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/suspensions#4ZVkPAjj9Oz18lAd.99
Not sure whether the ban applies to all games or not - but I think it might do. Either way looks to me that he'd be available for Newcastle. Not sure how he played
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Masterly management that. Big big game, desperately need him. Cops a ban playing for the stiffs. I give up.
How ludicrous to give a player who's been out for a month some game time. They must be morons.
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If it is only a stiffs ban I am overreacting and I apologise. It has been a long day.
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Sandro got sent off for QPR under 21's Feb 2015 and was banned for 3 games from all NON first team football... sure they will tell us soon if this still applies...
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Sounds like he'll be available for Saturday.
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Should we put our money down on him getting sent off against Newcastle now? Bound to happen now.
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He will be sent off during his late fitness test after an altercation with Newcastle players warming up.
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Apparently he was sent off after 85 minutes. Now that wasn't the brightest idea to risk a second yellow so late! The new Adama?
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There is some suggestion that he will banned after 14 days, meaning he will miss the Wolves game.
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Arrange another under 21 game.
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Did he look any good though? Young Rushian was fantastic by all accounts. A pity he's unlikely to get a look-in with the first team.
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Apparently he was sent off after 85 minutes. Now that wasn't the brightest idea to risk a second yellow so late! The new Adama?
It was for handball in the box, not a tackle.
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Apparently he was sent off after 85 minutes. Now that wasn't the brightest idea to risk a second yellow so late! The new Adama?
It was for handball in the box, not a tackle.
But he still got the second yellow.
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I think, and I may be wrong, that Clampy is suggesting it was more reflex leading to the handball rather than a stupid swipe of a tackle in the box. The handball can and does happen to anybody.
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Can't blame the management for Tish getting sent off, he needed game time. Sounds a bit silly from him to pick up two yellows, but in his defence the handball was probably reactionary. I'd start him Saturday.
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Between the Tish-shaped hole left by him being sent off and Ashley god-damn Westwood, I'd go for the Tish-shaped hole.
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Like Adama we have to be careful that he does not become better and a saviour the less he plays
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He is young and inexperienced. He needs to be played accordingly. We are therefore two players short in the middle of the park in my opinion. One could be Lyden or another from the U23s that develops quickly. We still to buy one in January.
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Like Adama we have to be careful that he does not become better and a saviour the less he plays
Speaking of Adama, has there been a sighting of him since he joined Boro? Or is he still Perma-injured?
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Like Adama we have to be careful that he does not become better and a saviour the less he plays
Speaking of Adama, has there been a sighting of him since he joined Boro? Or is he still Perma-injured?
He definitely came off the bench for them the other week
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Like Adama we have to be careful that he does not become better and a saviour the less he plays
You were going to tell us what you had heard from the horses mouth
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That he was fit and not picked
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This isn't news is it? He was fit. Not match fit. Simples
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Don't know if it's been covered but he's available for selection this weekend after all.
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then he has to play.
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Yep. I think Bruce likes a physical midfielder so I expect he will
Apparently ayew is fit too
Interesting to see how he lines up. He's talked about getting the ball forward more quickly. Fine by me as long as it's incise to feet stuff for the most part
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He's six three, strong and quick. A genuine presence and considering he's good on the ball too he has to start.
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Any Idea what has happened to him? Injured, unfit, out of favour?
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Surprised he's fallen so far out of favour.
I can only assume he's not that great in training as in terms of ability he's comfortably among the best 18 at the club.
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Tshibola would surely be better than Westwood who is simply too lightweight?
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I don't think he was fit when Bruce arrived. Not sure what's happened since.
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He started the first game v Wolves I think, wasn't great and we haven't seen him since.
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Something is going on Steve Bruce cannot stop complimenting Agbonlahor but not a word passes his lips re young Tish.Very strange indeed.
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I wonder why he doesn't like him...very odd. I think he was pretty decent up until the wolves game
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I wonder why he doesn't like him...very odd. I think he was pretty decent up until the wolves game
Something is going on Steve Bruce cannot stop complimenting Agbonlahor but not a word passes his lips re young Tish.Very strange indeed.
Mind you, where's Andre Green and RHM? I wouldn't read too much into it....
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I bet it's a fucking massive conspiracy
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I bet it's a fucking massive conspiracy
If he plays another game we all have to give Middlesbrough our first born.
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He's a young lad, hadn't set the world alight, and so isn't playing at the moment. No big deal.
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Maybe he isn't very good, the little I've seen of him didn't make me wonder why he had played so few games for Reading before we signed him.
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Maybe he isn't very good, the little I've seen of him didn't make me wonder why he had played so few games for Reading before we signed him.
No. Great potential - Reading fans were gutted to lose him. He's still very Young and a bit raw. Give the guy time! I bet you were writing off Jedinak after his first few games??
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Maybe he isn't very good, the little I've seen of him didn't make me wonder why he had played so few games for Reading before we signed him.
No. Great potential - Reading fans were gutted to lose him. He's still very Young and a bit raw. Give the guy time! I bet you were writing off Jedinak after his first few games??
Isn't that what we do? Give players two Games before deciding they are shit?
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Apparently playing tonight but obviously something is not quite right with him, either temperament, fitness, attitude etc, as he should walk into our midfield in all honesty!
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I think it might be fitness and energy that's the biggest problem for Bruce
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He was really poor for the U23 tonight, taken off at half time having been anonymous.
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would have expected him to be head and shoulders above the rest but wasn't
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Another great mystery, what has happened to him?
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Maybe he isn't very good, the little I've seen of him didn't make me wonder why he had played so few games for Reading before we signed him.
No. Great potential - Reading fans were gutted to lose him. He's still very Young and a bit raw. Give the guy time! I bet you were writing off Jedinak after his first few games??
Maybe he isn't very good, the little I've seen of him didn't make me wonder why he had played so few games for Reading before we signed him.
No. Great potential - Reading fans were gutted to lose him. He's still very Young and a bit raw. Give the guy time! I bet you were writing off Jedinak after his first few games??
I merely wondered what everybody had seen in him that made them think he should be in the team. He's probably better than Westwood seems to be the only answer I've seen.
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I saw him play v Huddersfield and he played quite well for an hour before getting injured.
Given SB's comments last night I think we'll see him from the start v QPR.
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If he isn't any better than Westwood he might as well hang up his boots and take up darts.
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He puts in some effort and contributes. That alone is enough to be ahead of Westwood and others.
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I saw him play v Huddersfield and he played quite well for an hour before getting injured.
Given SB's comments last night I think we'll see him from the start v QPR.
I think he has shown glimpses when he has played and the game against Newcastle turned when he came on. He reminds me a bit of Delph when we first bought him, with a similar knack of picking up injuries.
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Maybe he isn't very good, the little I've seen of him didn't make me wonder why he had played so few games for Reading before we signed him.
No. Great potential - Reading fans were gutted to lose him. He's still very Young and a bit raw. Give the guy time! I bet you were writing off Jedinak after his first few games??
Maybe he isn't very good, the little I've seen of him didn't make me wonder why he had played so few games for Reading before we signed him.
No. Great potential - Reading fans were gutted to lose him. He's still very Young and a bit raw. Give the guy time! I bet you were writing off Jedinak after his first few games??
I merely wondered what everybody had seen in him that made them think he should be in the team. He's probably better than Westwood seems to be the only answer I've seen.
Given that Westwood plays pretty regularly, isn't that a good enough reason?
I'd throw in that he seems to be bigger than any alternative, quicker than any alternative, stronger than any alternative and has scored no fewer goals than any alternative, even though that's not really his job.
I'd say that the things above are reasons to not completely ignore him.
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Maybe he has a really crap attitude as it can't be because of ability that he's behind Westwood and Gardner. Then again I don't understand why RHM, Green and even Lyden seem to have vanished as I don't think any of them are on loan.
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Maybe he has a really crap attitude as it can't be because of ability that he's behind Westwood and Gardner. Then again I don't understand why RHM, Green and even Lyden seem to have vanished as I don't think any of them are on loan.
It's certainly not impossible that he might just be acting up.
I would just find it odd if that were the case. He's a young guy who's spent nearly a decade slogging through youth team football and spent last year happily on loan at Hartlepool.
It would be strange if he chose now to get stroppy just as he might make it if he finds a way to make his face fit.
Steve Bruce has never struck me as somebody that bothered about bringing young players through, which would tally with the others who are MIA.
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I guess with a 5m transfer we've given him a hefty weekly wage, considerably larger than what he was earning at Reading.
Could be he's lost focus and motivation from that....wouldn't be the first or last young player to lose that desire as seemingly he is lacking in his reserve outings.
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Given that Westwood plays pretty regularly, isn't that a good enough reason?
I'd throw in that he seems to be bigger than any alternative, quicker than any alternative, stronger than any alternative and has scored no fewer goals than any alternative, even though that's not really his job.
I've no idea, that's why I asked. I'd never heard of him when we signed him and I doubt anybody else on here had judging by the amount of games he's played. The little I've seen of him he didn't seem to improve our already piss poor midfield, I'm not writing him off though.
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Given that Westwood plays pretty regularly, isn't that a good enough reason?
I'd throw in that he seems to be bigger than any alternative, quicker than any alternative, stronger than any alternative and has scored no fewer goals than any alternative, even though that's not really his job.
I've no idea, that's why I asked. I'd never heard of him when we signed him and I doubt anybody else on here had judging by the amount of games he's played. The little I've seen of him he didn't seem to improve our already piss poor midfield, I'm not writing him off though.
There weren't many players that improved us under Di Matteo. The Grealish of that time didn't improve our midfield. Nor did the Jedinak. Yet they look better in the current setup.
It's just a bit odd that some players have been given so much more of an opportunity than others, despite not really showing why they deserve all those extra opportunities.
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I think it might be fitness and energy that's the biggest problem for Bruce
Not surprising seeing as Brucey retired twenty years ago.....
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he could be out of the team simply because he hasn't shown Bruce in training that he's worth a spot. same goes for Lyden, Russian, Green and whoever is being touted for playing simply because everyone else is crap. If they aren't showing Bruce that they are worthy of a spot and look worse than what we already have, as poor as that is, I can't see what Bruce can do. He can't just throw someone in cross fingers and hope for the best.
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he could be out of the team simply because he hasn't shown Bruce in training that he's worth a spot. same goes for Lyden, Russian, Green and whoever is being touted for playing simply because everyone else is crap. If they aren't showing Bruce that they are worthy of a spot and look worse than what we already have, as poor as that is, I can't see what Bruce can do. He can't just throw someone in cross fingers and hope for the best.
That is very true but if none of the reserves are worth considering as better than the current players in the first team then we really are in a terrible state of affairs.
In that case we may as well get rid of the reserves as they are a waste of time and money as well as KMac etc!
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I hope he's been kept away from the first team to prevent me from having Bohemian Rhapsody in my head each time he plays.
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Tshibola was the "19th man" at Norwich according to the Mail so at least he is still being involved albeit on the periphery.
Bruce sounded like he wanted to make wholesale changes for the QPR game so there's a good chance Tish will be on the bench at least.
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I hope he's been kept away from the first team to prevent me from having Bohemian Rhapsody in my head each time he plays.
Which will now be in my head whenever I see his name
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Tshibola was the "19th man" at Norwich according to the Mail so at least he is still being involved albeit on the periphery.
Bruce sounded like he wanted to make wholesale changes for the QPR game so there's a good chance Tish will be on the bench at least.
"19th man"! What an accolade for a player. Every young boy's dream.
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I saw him play in the pre season at Cambridge. Okay it was only Cambridge United but the previous week they had more than held their own against Ipswich and we coasted to a 3 - O victory. My picks of our team were three players now seemingly binned, namely Tshibola, Andre Green and Rushian Hepburn Murphy. Tshibola looked big, athletic and positive that night. Green was quick and always looking to get involved while RH-M buzzed and burrowed in the opposition penalty box. Any one of those three would improve the side that did not fancy it at Norwich.
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I hope he's been kept away from the first team to prevent me from having Bohemian Rhapsody in my head each time he plays.
Which will now be in my head whenever I see his name
Why?
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I hope he's been kept away from the first team to prevent me from having Bohemian Rhapsody in my head each time he plays.
Which will now be in my head whenever I see his name
Why?
"Tshibola, we will not let you go. Let him goooo. Tshibola, we will not let you go".
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I hope he's been kept away from the first team to prevent me from having Bohemian Rhapsody in my head each time he plays.
Which will now be in my head whenever I see his name
Why?
"Tshibola, we will not let you go. Let him goooo. Tshibola, we will not let you go".
You fuckers....
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You're welcome everybody.
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I hope he's been kept away from the first team to prevent me from having Bohemian Rhapsody in my head each time he plays.
Which will now be in my head whenever I see his name
Why?
"Tshibola, we will not let you go. Let him goooo. Tshibola, we will not let you go".
You fuckers....
Got him!
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Not even on the bench today. What's going wrong with this lad?
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Someone on villatalk follows julian joachim on linkedin and he has posted the following:
Exact post from Julian Joachim:
Helping an other agent out , Aaron Tshibola is looking to a Loan deal to a European Club , all other opportunities will be explored , a strong quality midfielder that offers and attacking option
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Don't get it. He is no worse than Gardner or Westwood!
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Don't get it. He is no worse than Gardner or Westwood!
Nor me but judging by the disappearing act there has been an incident
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Someone on villatalk follows julian joachim on linkedin and he has posted the following:
Exact post from Julian Joachim:
Helping an other agent out , Aaron Tshibola is looking to a Loan deal to a European Club , all other opportunities will be explored , a strong quality midfielder that offers and attacking option
Surely a decent agent be above publishing such messages on Linkedin?
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Someone on villatalk follows julian joachim on linkedin and he has posted the following:
Exact post from Julian Joachim:
Helping an other agent out , Aaron Tshibola is looking to a Loan deal to a European Club , all other opportunities will be explored , a strong quality midfielder that offers and attacking option
Surely a decent agent be above publishing such messages on Linkedin?
And be able to use correct grammar but we are talking about an ex footballer
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there are always casualties when a new manager comes in , Brucie obviously doesn't rate him and to be honest other than the equalizer against the Jawdies, he hasn't done anything of note.
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For what it is worth. At Cambridge United for the pre season we we waiting for returned Villa tickets. Phone calls to the club garnered the information that the tickets were being sent back on the team bus. When the bus arrived the tickets had to be taken to the ticket office, a Portakabin on the car park. They were delivered by Tshibola who appeared to be very angry at being given the job. He would not speak or pause for photographs with fans. He did play particularly well in that game.
Something or nothing? Could perhaps suggest he has been handled badly or perhaps that he has anger issues. Whatever it is, like Traore before him I think it has more to do with manageability than potential ability.
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I'd be disappointed if he moves on loan. He's much better than the weak Westwood. Strange that he doesn't at least make the bench very often?
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It is most odd. He looked really lively in a few games at the start of the season.
I will not let you go, let you goooooo....
Bastards.
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I think the club need to come clean on the issue as to why he's not near the team. He's had a few half decent games, then injured supposedly? Now he appears to be frozen out when those half decent games he had early in the season would be most welcome in our under performing midfield.
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It is most odd. He looked really lively in a few games at the start of the season.
I will not let you go, let you goooooo....
Bastards.
I have a different song in my head:
Re-e-wind, when the crowd says bo, Tshibola.
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The 2016 Edition of Paul Mortimer.
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According to the meaning evil, he's gonna be sold. Cannot for the life of me understand what the club is playing at.......surely this guy is a better prospect than another season or two of Mr Pointy or Gardner?
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According to the meaning evil, he's gonna be sold. Cannot for the life of me understand what the club is playing at.......surely this guy is a better prospect than another season or two of Mr Pointy or Gardner?
Thought it said he was going out on loan ?
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According to the meaning evil, he's gonna be sold. Cannot for the life of me understand what the club is playing at.......surely this guy is a better prospect than another season or two of Mr Pointy or Gardner?
Thought it said he was going out on loan ?
You are right, and I stand corrected, but I still feel the club are making a mistake and should give him a chance. I mean what has he got to do, when he sees the Lardy Arse getting games, along with Mr Pointy?
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According to the meaning evil, he's gonna be sold. Cannot for the life of me understand what the club is playing at.......surely this guy is a better prospect than another season or two of Mr Pointy or Gardner?
Maybe he's an asshole or something?
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According to the meaning evil, he's gonna be sold. Cannot for the life of me understand what the club is playing at.......surely this guy is a better prospect than another season or two of Mr Pointy or Gardner?
Maybe he's an asshole or something?
Arsehole.
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For what it is worth. At Cambridge United for the pre season we we waiting for returned Villa tickets. Phone calls to the club garnered the information that the tickets were being sent back on the team bus. When the bus arrived the tickets had to be taken to the ticket office, a Portakabin on the car park. They were delivered by Tshibola who appeared to be very angry at being given the job. He would not speak or pause for photographs with fans. He did play particularly well in that game.
Something or nothing? Could perhaps suggest he has been handled badly or perhaps that he has anger issues. Whatever it is, like Traore before him I think it has more to do with manageability than potential ability.
That's interesting Brian - might just be an insight into the player's character.
On the one hand, you're the nearest bloke and someone says 'Can you just drop these over to the ticket office for me, Thanks'
and you'd think 'Yeah, no problem'.
On the other hand, you're a £5m acquisition faced with the same request just before you are about to get changed.
There's every possibility that you would have a look around and think WTF - who am I, the teaboy?
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According to the meaning evil, he's gonna be sold. Cannot for the life of me understand what the club is playing at.......surely this guy is a better prospect than another season or two of Mr Pointy or Gardner?
Thought it said he was going out on loan ?
You are right, and I stand corrected, but I still feel the club are making a mistake and should give him a chance. I mean what has he got to do, when he sees the Lardy Arse getting games, along with Mr Pointy?
I couldn't agree more - some of the subsequent posts may allude to character flaws holding him back in a team environment though. FWIW a Reading fan who works for our firm in London sent me an email when we bought him to say we had a gem and I wouldn't want to give up on him yet
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I definitely don't want to give up on him. I really think he can do a job for us and wish I knew what the problem was
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For what it is worth. At Cambridge United for the pre season we we waiting for returned Villa tickets. Phone calls to the club garnered the information that the tickets were being sent back on the team bus. When the bus arrived the tickets had to be taken to the ticket office, a Portakabin on the car park. They were delivered by Tshibola who appeared to be very angry at being given the job. He would not speak or pause for photographs with fans. He did play particularly well in that game.
Something or nothing? Could perhaps suggest he has been handled badly or perhaps that he has anger issues. Whatever it is, like Traore before him I think it has more to do with manageability than potential ability.
That's interesting Brian - might just be an insight into the player's character.
On the one hand, you're the nearest bloke and someone says 'Can you just drop these over to the ticket office for me, Thanks'
and you'd think 'Yeah, no problem'.
On the other hand, you're a £5m acquisition faced with the same request just before you are about to get changed.
There's every possibility that you would have a look around and think WTF - who am I, the teaboy?
That's bizarre management. I've read about how the All Blacks' humility is demonstrated by the way they clean the changing rooms after their matches, however that is the whole team. It seems ridiculous to isolate one young player in this manner.
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They isolated Marc Albrighton if the oft repeated story is true that he was not allowed to return on the team bus and had to catch the train back. Next thing he is allowed to go to Leicester and win a champion's medal while those who rode home on the bus amassed 17 points for the season and got relegated. I suspect there is a clash of personalities going on. Westwood behaves and gets picked Tshibola does not behave and does not get picked.
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They isolated Marc Albrighton if the oft repeated story is true that he was not allowed to return on the team bus and had to catch the train back. Next thing he is allowed to go to Leicester and win a champion's medal while those who rode home on the bus amassed 17 points for the season and got relegated. I suspect there is a clash of personalities going on. Westwood behaves and gets picked Tshibola does not behave and does not get picked.
If the Twitter account in his name is real, I think he comes across as a decent young bloke.
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The 2016 Edition of Paul Mortimer.
Nobody can stoop so low in dissing the Holte after scoring as Mortimer did.
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They isolated Marc Albrighton if the oft repeated story is true that he was not allowed to return on the team bus and had to catch the train back. Next thing he is allowed to go to Leicester and win a champion's medal while those who rode home on the bus amassed 17 points for the season and got relegated. I suspect there is a clash of personalities going on. Westwood behaves and gets picked Tshibola does not behave and does not get picked.
You might be right but I'd have thought that there has been too much churn of management for the two stories to be linked; so hard to conclude that it is an institutional problem. Regardless it seems like another resource being either badly bought or under-utilised. The waste at villa is unbelievable.
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£5m signings getting sidelined because, maybe, they're inclined to be a tad difficult still seems a difficult one to swallow.
If there's any truth in this then I guess it's best we steer clear of Ravel Morrison.
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I think he gave thanks to God after the Newcastle game when he scored the equaliser so he must be a lovely lad at least.
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Maybe he's really not very good?
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He bangs on and on about God on twitter. That much I know.
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His last run out was for the u23's at VP some weeks ago. He went off after the first half injured I think and hasn't been seen since. I think he's been unlucky since the arrival of Bruce and would fit in to our midfield now. He came on v the toon and did very well. Hope we haven't seen the last of him.
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He's in the photos on the OS today of the squad visiting the Acorns hospice.
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Maybe he's really not very good?
Maybe, but it's not like he's having much to compete against. Maybe Tshibola couldn't possibly be as effective for us as Ashley Westwood is, but I don't think it's particularly plausible.
The argument of "well if he were good enough then he'd be picked" is the same argument that sees Zat Knight picked ahead of Gary Cahill and Kieran Richarson picked ahead of Marc Albrighton.
Maybe Cahill and Albrighton just weren't very good.
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And yet Westwood remains at large. How the hell is Westood, played game after game after game, how is he given chance after chance to show us how under average he is. But players like this fella are sold without been given a chance. Westwood might be a great pro. But pointing at what should be done in a game..... is just pointing.
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I've been impressed by Tshibola and completely underwhelmed by Pointy and Gardner, so I'm completely baffled regarding team selection in midfield.
Tshibola-Jedinak-Bacuna, easily the best three.
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He bangs on and on about God on twitter. That much I know.
Maybe he's really not very good?
No, no, no. Surely it's because the Villa coached him to only kick with his knee and skip rather than run. Then get the train ALONE to Anerdeen after scoring against Newcastle whilst cats were being murdered by ASTON VILLA. FACT.
A simple thing like Bruce not fancying him due to his ability is not going to carry much weight around here Jameson. Shame on you.
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Maybe he's really not very good?
In which case Clarke is a dick for allowing/recommending the signing to go through.
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Perhaps Bruce is wrong. Managerial misjudgements have been known at the club.
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will be filed under Aston Villa conspiracy theories, somewhere between why didn't GB take the penalty and Bosko was a great clown
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Given that a life size cardboard cut out of Ashley Westwood being placed strategically in the middle of the pitch would actually be more effective than Ashley Westwood, I cannot possibly foresee a circumstance where Aaron Tshibola would be considered as a worse option.
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I think he's shown promise when he has been picked, and his exclusion is ludicrous. I have form as I was telling everyone Delph should be in the team when others were writing him off. Okay, I did also think Isaiah Osbourne was going to be the new Patrick Vieira so my record of identifying midfielders isn't 100%.
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I think he's shown promise when he has been picked, and his exclusion is ludicrous. I have form as I was telling everyone Delph should be in the team when others were writing him off. Okay, I did also think Isaiah Osbourne was going to be the new Patrick Vieira so my record of identifying midfielders isn't 100%.
Agree, Tshibola should be on the bench at the very least.
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I think he's shown promise when he has been picked, and his exclusion is ludicrous. I have form as I was telling everyone Delph should be in the team when others were writing him off. Okay, I did also think Isaiah Osbourne was going to be the new Patrick Vieira so my record of identifying midfielders isn't 100%.
Agree, Tshibola should be on the bench at the very least.
I agree.
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Maybe he's really not very good?
Maybe, but it's not like he's having much to compete against. Maybe Tshibola couldn't possibly be as effective for us as Ashley Westwood is, but I don't think it's particularly plausible.
The argument of "well if he were good enough then he'd be picked" is the same argument that sees Zat Knight picked ahead of Gary Cahill and Kieran Richarson picked ahead of Marc Albrighton.
Maybe Cahill and Albrighton just weren't very good.
No idea why you've brought up Cahill and Albrighton but all the speculation about why he's not in the team doesn't seem to take into account the fact that Steve Bruce may have watched him in training and thought "fuck me, he's even worse than Westwood".
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Maybe he's really not very good?
Maybe, but it's not like he's having much to compete against. Maybe Tshibola couldn't possibly be as effective for us as Ashley Westwood is, but I don't think it's particularly plausible.
The argument of "well if he were good enough then he'd be picked" is the same argument that sees Zat Knight picked ahead of Gary Cahill and Kieran Richarson picked ahead of Marc Albrighton.
Maybe Cahill and Albrighton just weren't very good.
No idea why you've brought up Cahill and Albrighton but all the speculation about why he's not in the team doesn't seem to take into account the fact that Steve Bruce may have watched him in training and thought "fuck me, he's even worse than Westwood".
For the reason that I've made pretty clear in my post.
The exact same argument and even wording could have been used about why Martin O'Neill picked Knight over Cahill. Maybe O'Neill was just wrong. And maybe Bruce is as well.
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What frustrates me is that all this must have happened within 2 weeks of Bruce taking over.
Disappointed as I am, I now accept that there is not going to be a turnaround in this standoff. I'm looking forward to January, keen to see who we bring in, in that position.
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From the small bit I have seen of him this season, ability isn't the issue.
So maybe he has been acting like a dick in training or said something beyond the Pale to Bruce. It's a shame, because you want your best 1-11 on the pitch and Tish is clearly better than Gardner and Westwood.
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Maybe Bruce is a committed atheist, and has no time for God botherers.
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I imagine the Muslim players we have had in recent times were religious and deserving respect for their beliefs. I see no reason why Christian players should be treated any differently.
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Maybe he's really not very good?
Maybe, but it's not like he's having much to compete against. Maybe Tshibola couldn't possibly be as effective for us as Ashley Westwood is, but I don't think it's particularly plausible.
The argument of "well if he were good enough then he'd be picked" is the same argument that sees Zat Knight picked ahead of Gary Cahill and Kieran Richarson picked ahead of Marc Albrighton.
Maybe Cahill and Albrighton just weren't very good.
No idea why you've brought up Cahill and Albrighton but all the speculation about why he's not in the team doesn't seem to take into account the fact that Steve Bruce may have watched him in training and thought "fuck me, he's even worse than Westwood".
If Steve Bruce did think that then he's wrong. We've seen the evidence on the pitch.
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I imagine the Muslim players we have had in recent times were religious and deserving respect for their beliefs. I see no reason why Christian players should be treated any differently.
Because they've perpetrated their nonsense for longer?
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No manager gets every decision right.
Good managers make fewer bad decisions. Overall Bruce has made good decisions, we as fans may not agree with his call on Tish, but we have to go with it.
I am interested to see who he brings in in January before deciding if losing Tshibola is bad for us.
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Maybe Cahill and Albrighton sulked a bit because they were asked to pass some tickets on. Or something like that.
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As did Brian McClair. And Stan Lynn.
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MON fucked up big time with his decision to replace Gary Cahill with Zat Knight! My gut feeling regarding the release of Albrighton on a free as a big mistake has proven correct. I get the same feeling regarding Tshibola. Reading fans were gutted to see him sold.
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MON fucked up big time with his decision to replace Gary Cahill with Zat Knight! My gut feeling regarding the release of Albrighton on a free as a big mistake has proven correct. I get the same feeling regarding Tshibola. Reading fans were gutted to see him sold.
In the situation we were in I never saw Marc succeeding. He needed a fresh start and a new challenge, and he's grabbed it by the horns. Good for him, always thought he was a top guy.
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Celtic and Rangers supposedly interested in Tish on loan.
As for Marc, I wanted him to stay and am delighted for him that he has a medal but he still hasn't set the world alight. 4 goals and 11 assists in the league in the 2+ years since he left.
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He's more of a disciplined tracking-back winger now than the full-out attacker who played for us and invariably gave away free-kicks when he tried defending.
He was a crucial part of Leicester's game plan which won them a title we'll probably not see Villa win in the rest of our lifetimes. Probably cared more when we got relegated than most of last season's squad too.
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He fit into what Leicester wanted and were last season. All their planets aligned and they were extremely fortunate all other challengers in a season of transformation. Albrighton was like the Japanese runner they have up front. Could he help us right now? Yes, but one of the main criticisms of him before he left was the lack of end product, his terrible tackling that led to goals, and being too deep too often. Take him out of this Leicester team, and take Leicester out of their wonderous one season, and they'll do well to be in the top division. Both of them.
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Wherever Marc and Leicester end up, we will be doing extremely well to be anywhere near them.
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The only thing I thought in the Tshibola / Westwood debate was that Westwood is mobile & presses the opposition (never actually tackles, kicks or uses the ball mind!) & Tshibola didn't look that mobile at start of season so I was hoping that he has been another on a particular regime to add more mobility to his game. We need 2/3 in centre of park who have physicality, mobility & ability....not too much to ask is it? :-)
Probably wrong though....
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Reading fans were gutted to see him sold.
They are doing alright without him this season though!
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I think the fact that Bruce has seemed prepared to give everyone a clean slate suggests that there is some fundamental issue with Tshibola that is preventing him getting a chance. That could be in terms of is attitude, fitness, ability or some other problems we are unaware of so fairly futile speculating as to the reason.
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Maybe he's not an asshole after all, but his agent is the asshole. Not available for loan apparently and has a future at the club according to Brucie.
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I think the fact that Bruce has seemed prepared to give everyone a clean slate suggests that there is some fundamental issue with Tshibola that is preventing him getting a chance. That could be in terms of is attitude, fitness, ability or some other problems we are unaware of so fairly futile speculating as to the reason.
Long time no exchange my old friend. We may as well close down this site then if we can't do speculation......
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I think the fact that Bruce has seemed prepared to give everyone a clean slate suggests that there is some fundamental issue with Tshibola that is preventing him getting a chance. That could be in terms of is attitude, fitness, ability or some other problems we are unaware of so fairly futile speculating as to the reason.
Long time no exchange my old friend. We may as well close down this site then if we can't do speculation......
You're right, of course, but he sticks out as the one who Bruce has sidelined, perhaps he nicked his parking space.
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Maybe we can get a Shanghai club to part with £60m for him.
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Reading fans were gutted to see him sold.
They are doing alright without him this season though!
Not one of my best mates, he reckoned we paid £4m too much!
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Bruce suggesting the player and/or agent has rang other clubs stating he is for loan without the club knowing about it. I imagine that might piss the manager off.
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Bruce suggesting the player and/or agent has rang other clubs stating he is for loan without the club knowing about it. I imagine that might piss the manager off.
Sounds like Bruce is saying no we won't loan you out (but if someone wants to buy you? Well that's a different matter) ;-)
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I don't think Bruce is that obtuse. Tshibola and/or his agent has pissed him off big time and deservedly got both barrels.
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Tshibola did ok today but what sort of midfielder is he? He tends to sit there without getting into the box with purpose, ball winner, Box to box, what? I'm not sure about him. Needs game time, and, well, time I suppose.
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Tshibola did ok today but what sort of midfielder is he? He tends to sit there without getting into the box with purpose, ball winner, Box to box, what? I'm not sure about him. Needs game time, and, well, time I suppose.
Difficult to judge today as we essentially played everyone behind the ball. None of the midfield were ever going to get close to their box.
I thought he did okay and certainly looks like a good athletic option. He's absolutely essential when you're playing Jedinak. Westwood and Gardner are both slow af. The sooner we get Lansbury and another, the better. Tish looks promising, but whether he'll be able to make the step up and cement his place, I don't know.
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It's good to see him getting games at last. He can't do any worse than Gardner or Westwood. He's big and powerful and I hope they coach him to become our version of a Toure or Obi Mikel.
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It's good to see him getting games at last. He can't do any worse than Gardner or Westwood. He's big and powerful and I hope they coach him to become our version of a Toure or Obi Mikel.
What is this word coach you speak of ? Is it a vehicular form of transport as I haven't seen any other sort near Bodymoor Heath in a while .
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Would love to know why he wasn't even getting in the match day squad when we were having to play Gardner & Westwood. He looked pretty bright in the early stages of the season and has looked decent since he's come back into the fold. He must have done something to annoy Bruce to have not even got a look in for several weeks when to my untrained eye it looked like we were desperately short in midfield.
Anyway, glad he's back and hopefully he will kick on now. Like a new signing...
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The S*n: Tshibola on the hippy crack after Spurs game? (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2567633/aston-villa-star-aaron-tshibola-inhales-hippy-crack-on-camera-hours-after-his-team-was-dumped-out-of-fa-cup/)
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The S*n: Tshibola on the hippy crack after Spurs game? (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2567633/aston-villa-star-aaron-tshibola-inhales-hippy-crack-on-camera-hours-after-his-team-was-dumped-out-of-fa-cup/)
Now deleted. Hmmmmm.
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The S*n: Tshibola on the hippy crack after Spurs game? (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2567633/aston-villa-star-aaron-tshibola-inhales-hippy-crack-on-camera-hours-after-his-team-was-dumped-out-of-fa-cup/)
Now deleted. Hmmmmm.
Maybe they've realised he was blowing up a ballooon for his birthday and they got the wrong end of the stick
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The S*n: Tshibola on the hippy crack after Spurs game? (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2567633/aston-villa-star-aaron-tshibola-inhales-hippy-crack-on-camera-hours-after-his-team-was-dumped-out-of-fa-cup/)
Now deleted. Hmmmmm.
You can see a picture of the story on Google, and it's clearly someone that looks a bit like him in a Villa shirt.
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Why would he still be in a Villa shirt?!
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Why would he still be in a Villa shirt?!
Well exactly.
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Tshibola did ok today but what sort of midfielder is he? He tends to sit there without getting into the box with purpose, ball winner, Box to box, what? I'm not sure about him. Needs game time, and, well, time I suppose.
Difficult to judge today as we essentially played everyone behind the ball. None of the midfield were ever going to get close to their box.
I thought he did okay and certainly looks like a good athletic option. He's absolutely essential when you're playing Jedinak. Westwood and Gardner are both slow af. The sooner we get Lansbury and another, the better. Tish looks promising, but whether he'll be able to make the step up and cement his place, I don't know.
To 'cement' a place all he needs to be is marginally better than what we have which he clearly is. He's actually quite good or at least good enough for championship level.
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Why would he still be in a Villa shirt?!
He's wearing a training top, can clearly see the badge on the photo. We don't know if he was doing something wrong, but after all the previous shit we've had like this, he really must be a moron to be pictured like that.
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Why would he still be in a Villa shirt?!
We bumped into Shay Given at Wigan station a few years ago, waiting for the London train,several hours after the final whistle and he was still in his Villa tracksuit.
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Oy vey! Just when it looked like he could do something for us, he'll be hounded back out of the team (for doing something essentially harmless). A stupid thing to get caught doing nonetheless.
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It's possible that it might be an old photo and could explain why he's not been featuring until now. Howver, bearing in mind that The Sun have taken the story down though, it may have been nothing.
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So when exactly was this picture taken??? We've just had Christmas and the New Year to celebrate....shows that it's a NON -STORY, how quickly this disappeared from the rag!!!
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So a picture of a footballer with a balloon can only now possibly be inhalation of nitrous Oxide? No wonder they took the article down.
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So a picture of a footballer with a balloon can only now possibly be inhalation of nitrous Oxide? No wonder they took the article down.
Hopefully he wasn't up to no good. I'm sure Bruce will get to the bottom of it.
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Given how extremely religious he appears to be, and that The Sun have deleted the story, I'm guessing that he was merely blowing up a balloon on his birthday, and has set the legal attack dogs on the Scum.
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Given how extremely religious he appears to be, and that The Sun have deleted the story, I'm guessing that he was merely blowing up a balloon on his birthday, and has set the legal attack dogs on the Scum.
religious ones are always the worst mate, I should know
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Has this been reported in the Heil? Migrant worker.* Devout Muslim. Blowing up something. It ticks a lot of their boxes.
*Ok he isn't.
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it was definitely in The Guardian
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The story's back up on The S*n now, according to a tweet that I saw.
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It is.
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What sort of 'friend' sells these videos to the papers?
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"Tshibola appears to have filmed himself inhaling." Covering their own backs there.
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Well he hasn't had the best starts here has he, something has definitely gone on behind the scenes to see him shunned like he has been since Bruce took over. If this story is legit then it suggests he's another wrong un we've picked up.
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I don't understand why the press falls over itself over this. It's the same gas and air given in cold birth isn't it?
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I'm Not to bothered about this hippy crack rubbish. As a footballer he doesn't appear to have much about him so far. Reminds me of Asaiah Osbourne.
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Isiah.
He's a million times better than him. And this video shows nothing more than a bloke with a balloon. When did that become a crime?
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Isiah.
He's a million times better than him. And this video shows nothing more than a bloke with a balloon. When did that become a crime?
More to the point, when the fuck did it become news?
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Fcukin great. Just when you think you have got rid of them. An excuse for Driftwood and Graeme Garden to start on Saturday.
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I notice that no other newspaper or news media has picked up this "story". There is still a link in the asspaper the S*n, to a 30 odd second clip of two guys with balloons. As I previously said, A fcking NON STORY from that vile piece of shit the S*n.
Lets leave the poor kid alone eh? If there is anything to this, then we'll soon know, as Bruce wouldn't wait to comment, would he?
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might have been helium in the balloons and they were doing funny voices...
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I thought you got hippy crack out of the little capsules, not the balloon. There's loads dumped down some of the side-streets round me.
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I like to see Tshiolbla start again today . Though it's been said he's going out on loan which I can see happening if all midfield targets come in and dont sell anyone
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I like to see Tshiolbla start again today . Though it's been said he's going out on loan which I can see happening if all midfield targets come in and dont sell anyone
bringing good midfielders in and then sending him on loan seems counter-productive. He can learn stuff by being around them.
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A loan would achieve sod all
what would going to a league one side tell us?
the same if he went to france or italy
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I like to see Tshiolbla start again today . Though it's been said he's going out on loan which I can see happening if all midfield targets come in and dont sell anyone
bringing good midfielders in and then sending him on loan seems counter-productive. He can learn stuff by being around them.
He needs game time and matches.
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I like to see Tshiolbla start again today . Though it's been said he's going out on loan which I can see happening if all midfield targets come in and dont sell anyone
bringing good midfielders in and then sending him on loan seems counter-productive. He can learn stuff by being around them.
He needs game time and matches.
He'd get them at the Villa with a couple of decent MF alongside him.
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I like to see Tshiolbla start again today . Though it's been said he's going out on loan which I can see happening if all midfield targets come in and dont sell anyone
bringing good midfielders in and then sending him on loan seems counter-productive. He can learn stuff by being around them.
He needs game time and matches.
He'd get them at the Villa with a couple of decent MF alongside him.
I just wonder whether we could play him in a more restricted role, in place of Jedinak? With Lansbury & AN Other in front of him, I feel he could do an adequate job.
Big problems as I see it are 1. Bruce doesn't seem keen on him & 2. Bruce doesn't seem keen on young players full stop.
This one really frustrates me as I feel that Tish has something to offer.
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From what I've seen of him he seems miles ahead of Westwood and Gardner, as he looks to pass forward and has mobility on the pitch. Bruce's lack of interest in our youth worries me too.
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Nothing shown today. Coasted during the match and showed little passion for a derby match. Does not instinctively move forward with ball and was lazy tracking back. Not impressed and should have been subbed at half time. Another midfielder to offer little going forward or even as an option to link .
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Nothing shown today. Coasted during the match and showed little passion for a derby match. Does not instinctively move forward with ball and was lazy tracking back. Not impressed and should have been subbed at half time. Another midfielder to offer little going forward or even as an option to link .
I think it's harsh to judge him yet, he's young and everyone around him was poor. There was no movement to give him the chance to drive forward.
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What about his tracking back and clear lack of pace . Also he's clearly inexperienced and not the player needed. Bruce has given him a go after trying and tiring over Westwood and Gardner. Not for me looked decidedly lethargic though wolves were an energetic side
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Far too soon to judge.
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Nothing shown today. Coasted during the match and showed little passion for a derby match. Does not instinctively move forward with ball and was lazy tracking back. Not impressed and should have been subbed at half time. Another midfielder to offer little going forward or even as an option to link .
That's you opinion and you are entitled to it. However, I do not agree with it but, there again, I have patience and understand the situation he is put in, especially as an inexperienced player.
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Still out on him but fuck me it would be nice to sign a player who could come in and make an immediate impact, not when he's a bit older, is a bit more experienced, when he has better players around him, when we play to his strengths etc etc
we do
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Nothing shown today. Coasted during the match and showed little passion for a derby match. Does not instinctively move forward with ball and was lazy tracking back. Not impressed and should have been subbed at half time. Another midfielder to offer little going forward or even as an option to link .
That's you opinion and you are entitled to it. However, I do not agree with it but, there again, I have patience and understand the situation he is put in, especially as an inexperienced player.
What's your opinion on his performance yesterday (and thus far ) but more specifically yesteday in a local dervy. Do you agree that he was subbed? Was that right move ?
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Isn't more likely that Bruce isn't playing youngsters (unlike Gollini/Johnstone, Amavi, Grealish, Tshibola) because they're simply not good enough?
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Nothing shown today. Coasted during the match and showed little passion for a derby match. Does not instinctively move forward with ball and was lazy tracking back. Not impressed and should have been subbed at half time. Another midfielder to offer little going forward or even as an option to link .
That's you opinion and you are entitled to it. However, I do not agree with it but, there again, I have patience and understand the situation he is put in, especially as an inexperienced player.
What's your opinion on his performance yesterday (and thus far ) but more specifically yesteday in a local dervy. Do you agree that he was subbed? Was that right move ?
5 starts and a couple of subs appearances for a new young inexperienced player is nothing to judge a player on. If you can, you should be in football scouting. He is raw but was bought for his potential and not what he had done over a long period of time at Reading. He should have been used in 3 or 4 games at a time over this season to develop his game. I thought he was having a steady game yesterday and could have stayed on if Bruce had thought to change the system that was not working but he went with the same shape.
After the shambles of the first half at Cardiff, he has been brought into the side. He needs to be given a run of a few games. You cannot bring him and then not give him a chance to find his feet and bed in. I didn't see any of the senior players talking to him and helping him along. Playing in a central two in midfield is difficult at the best of times but as in inexperienced player it is asking a lot. Regarding being a local derby, that match was a derby in name only and did not have the intensity of a true 'derby' match.
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Nothing shown today. Coasted during the match and showed little passion for a derby match. Does not instinctively move forward with ball and was lazy tracking back. Not impressed and should have been subbed at half time. Another midfielder to offer little going forward or even as an option to link .
That's you opinion and you are entitled to it. However, I do not agree with it but, there again, I have patience and understand the situation he is put in, especially as an inexperienced player.
What's your opinion on his performance yesterday (and thus far ) but more specifically yesteday in a local dervy. Do you agree that he was subbed? Was that right move ?
5 starts and a couple of subs appearances for a new young inexperienced player is nothing to judge a player on. If you can, you should be in football scouting. He is raw but was bought for his potential and not what he had done over a long period of time at Reading. He should have been used in 3 or 4 games at a time over this season to develop his game. I thought he was having a steady game yesterday and could have stayed on if Bruce had thought to change the system that was not working but he went with the same shape.
After the shambles of the first half at Cardiff, he has been brought into the side. He needs to be given a run of a few games. You cannot bring him and then not give him a chance to find his feet and bed in. I didn't see any of the senior players talking to him and helping him along. Playing in a central two in midfield is difficult at the best of times but as in inexperienced player it is asking a lot. Regarding being a local derby, that match was a derby in name only and did not have the intensity of a true 'derby' match.
Valid points . Always very interesting and good opinion which makes sense. I just wonder the way Golinni has been moved on after being brought in old regime (less game time-seems not to be bruce type) and the talk of tishobla (agent /people ) needed loan or to moved on that he 'll be going in window even if temporary -providing make signings . I basing what I seen like Steve Bruce has made judgements on players too despite little time.
Anyway I would of course like to see him and any villa player develop but apart from his size not really seeing him as much of a stand out option.
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I feel with the 3 midfielders brought in- replacements/upgrades for tshibola,westwood,gardner. Tshibola most at risk being moved or loaned out
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I feel with the 3 midfielders brought in- replacements/upgrades for tshibola,westwood,gardner. Tshibola most at risk being moved or loaned out
I hope not regarding Tshibola. I think the days of keeping the dross around the place are beginning to come to an end. Thankfully.
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I feel with the 3 midfielders brought in- replacements/upgrades for tshibola,westwood,gardner. Tshibola most at risk being moved or loaned out
I hope not regarding Tshibola. I think the days of keeping the dross around the place are beginning to come to an end. Thankfully.
Well he needs games and I don't think he wil get match minutes at villa this season now signings come in.
If Westwood or Bacuna were moved on then tshibola kept but I can see a loan move
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I feel with the 3 midfielders brought in- replacements/upgrades for tshibola,westwood,gardner. Tshibola most at risk being moved or loaned out
On the contrary footy, Bruce has identified that our midfield is too slow and pedestrian, out of the 3 midfielders, Gardener, Westwood and Tshibola, he is the only one who can get about the place.
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lets hope westwood and Gardner are sold
I would keep Tish
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i think tshibbo should stay and hone his craft and earn his money the hard way. i think he thought he'd made it when clark came in for him.
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It's Clarke
Unless you mean Clark
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It's Clarke
Unless you mean Clark
yes, of course it's Clarke, but i thought clark was Clarke until i was corrected and checked to find that clark is really Clarke.
well spotted.
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I feel with the 3 midfielders brought in- replacements/upgrades for tshibola,westwood,gardner. Tshibola most at risk being moved or loaned out
On the contrary footy, Bruce has identified that our midfield is too slow and pedestrian, out of the 3 midfielders, Gardener, Westwood and Tshibola, he is the only one who can get about the place.
I contest that . He coast and hasn't got any drive or dynamism. So I know what i saw look baxk when he last played and his continuous struggles . Westwood at least has some tactical nous tisbola is raw and only offers physicality and alleged pace due to his direct competitors of gards and Westy. So not be fooled by tshibola perceived athleticism the 3 new midfielders are championship ready tshibola isn't. I conclude with the amount of midfielders here loan him out to mk dons , milwall or Swindon or maybe Atlanta like Golinni
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lets hope westwood and Gardner are sold
I would keep Tish
well yes, sell/off load , but the Tish , I want to be positive , but.......
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Think I am stating the obvious but Bruce doesn't rate him time to move on. Fact of life
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John Percy has just tweeted that Tish has joined Forest.
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A loan deal surely? Forest have no money. And still Westwood prevails! Disappointed with this move.
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John Percy has just tweeted that Tish has joined Forest.
Good. If we're playing 4-4-2 then we can get shut of Westwood and Gardner as well.
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Westwood will not only survive the purge he'll probably start against Brentford.
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Think I am stating the obvious but Bruce doesn't rate him time to move on. Fact of life
No, no far too early. Still young and very raw but bags of potential. Westwood or Gardner should be shipped out instead.
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He's better off playing every week on loan than sitting on the bench. Arguably Westwood/gardner, whilst limited players, are more match ready than Tshibola too. Let him do his leaning at another club's expense.
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I think it was just too soon to move here, he really could've done with another season at Reading.
It was very much OTT hype about someone who'd barely played 20 games for Reading and yet he was expected to single-handly improve our midfield and drive us back to the prem? Unrealistic expectations.
Best he goes to play week in week out given we've signed two proven championship performers that we should've signed in the summer.
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Brum Mail.
Aston Villa have agreed to let midfielder Aaron Tshibola join Championship rivals Nottingham Forest on loan for the remainder of the season.
The 21-year-old arrived from Reading over the summer in a deal that cost the club £5million but he has fallen out of favour since Steve Bruce took charge.
Tshibola started Bruce’s first game in charge against Wolves but didn’t play again until the match with Cardiff City at the beginning of this month.
The ex-Royals man has paid the price of Bruce’s January spending. The manager has brought in three new midfielders in the form of Henri Lansbury, Birkir Bjarnason and Conor Hourihane, who will form the base of a new-look claret and blue engine room.
Tshibola’s only goal in claret and blue came during the 1-1 draw with Newcastle United back in September.
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He's 22 and he's played about 50 first team games. It's not much given his age and the fee we paid for him was silly. He's looked like he has a bit of ability, but if I'm being brutally honest he didn't look that much better than Isaiah "The new Viera" Osbourne when he first broke through.
At his age he's not going to get much better having 10-20 minutes here and there for us. If we can recoup a big chunk of what we paid out, then do it. And if the lads attitude is in question, then moving him on is probably for the best. It seems clear Bruce won't have any nonsense.
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He definitely looks better than Osborne did
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he is still young so he can come back and establish himself as a holding midfielder
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I presume he won't play against us on Saturday??
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A loan deal is fair.
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I presume he won't play against us on Saturday??
He can't
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Must admit, from just watching him two or three times, I can't see what Tshibola's inclusion adds - and that underlines how far our hopes must have fallen if we think we should rely on a player like him. He's no Draper, nor even McCann, no Taylor, even....IMO.
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He's what 21? I think we need to give him a chance to develop.
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Dont kid selves. Bruce identifies that player is up to standards right now. I don't know if ever will be a premier league player. He's barely championship. He would have been good to go to Celtic or Bolton enjoy feeling of winning matches not to a dissary forest team . I said already don't rate him as a footballer. Lacks any football skills and pace. He's hampered by expectation due to size but he only has alleged physicality and athletism as his strengths. Maybe one day he'll improve to be championship top half level but he is what we signed a raw player from a mid table championship team .
At this moment we don't need that . Good luck to him but he's not gonna be missed. Gardner and West wood are above him pecking order for reasons other than experience.
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Maybe he will be good enough for the top flight one day. Maybe.
In the here and now, he is better than Gardwood. Which is why he should remain and why at least one of them should be punted.
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Yep, agree with that. Unfortunately I don't think there's any takers for Garwood so we're stuck with them.
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Sensible move IMO. Tish needs to play regularly and hopefully Forest can provide the game time.
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Must admit, from just watching him two or three times, I can't see what Tshibola's inclusion adds - and that underlines how far our hopes must have fallen if we think we should rely on a player like him. He's no Draper, nor even McCann, no Taylor, even....IMO.
what do you mean 'no Taylor even' ?
with your posts on Alex Cropley and now this little dig at Taylor I'm beginning to think your an imposter,
it doesn't bother me, you can post what you like for me but you need to come clean
I don't know one other Villa fan that would write that stuff
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Gardner has looked OK at times this season. He played well with Lansbury at Forest, might be worth another go. Westwood can go though.
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Must admit, from just watching him two or three times, I can't see what Tshibola's inclusion adds - and that underlines how far our hopes must have fallen if we think we should rely on a player like him. He's no Draper, nor even McCann, no Taylor, even....IMO.
what do you mean 'no Taylor even' ?
with your posts on Alex Cropley and now this little dig at Taylor I'm beginning to think your an imposter,
it doesn't bother me, you can post what you like for me but you need to come clean
I don't know one other Villa fan that would write that stuff
He's either on the wind up, or the worst judge of footballer since Paddy Riley.
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I can understand sending Tish out now that we've bought three new midfielders. What I don't understand is the refusal to even have him in the squad when Westwood was starting games.
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I can understand sending Tish out now that we've bought three new midfielders. What I don't understand is the refusal to even have him in the squad when Westwood was starting games.
Most likely is that it's something off the field, or in training. If I was a professional footballer and my manager thought I was a worse player than Gardner and Westwood, i'd probably retire.
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no need - you would have chosen a different sport altogether. Westwood FFS!
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Confirmed gone to NF.
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Must admit, from just watching him two or three times, I can't see what Tshibola's inclusion adds - and that underlines how far our hopes must have fallen if we think we should rely on a player like him. He's no Draper, nor even McCann, no Taylor, even....IMO.
what do you mean 'no Taylor even' ?
with your posts on Alex Cropley and now this little dig at Taylor I'm beginning to think your an imposter,
it doesn't bother me, you can post what you like for me but you need to come clean
I don't know one other Villa fan that would write that stuff
No, I am not an imposter, just an older contributor with an opinion.
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https://www.avfc.co.uk/News/2017/01/30/tshibola-goes-on-loan
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Good move all-round, he stays in the Ch'ship to see if he can get some form at this level and we can take him back if so. Do we get a fee or do they just cover half his wages or whatever? It's hard work being a big club.
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Must admit, from just watching him two or three times, I can't see what Tshibola's inclusion adds - and that underlines how far our hopes must have fallen if we think we should rely on a player like him. He's no Draper, nor even McCann, no Taylor, even....IMO.
what do you mean 'no Taylor even' ?
with your posts on Alex Cropley and now this little dig at Taylor I'm beginning to think your an imposter,
it doesn't bother me, you can post what you like for me but you need to come clean
I don't know one other Villa fan that would write that stuff
No, I am not an imposter, just an older contributor with an opinion.
Wouldn't normally criticise a fellow contributor but saying 'even Taylor' is the Villa equivalent of saying 'even Muhammed Ali'! Great box to box midfielder, got into the area to score vital goals, put his foot in and sweated blood for the team, never sulked when left out, and above all a top , top bloke and one of us. Did you ever see him play? And if you had ever met him like I was lucky enough to do, once of the most humble , poliite honest pros you could ever meet, a credit to the game and the exact opposite of some of the spoilt kids who earn big bucks today. The young lad on his way to Forest could do a lot worse than to watch his clips and ask him for advice.
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Always looked much better than either Westwood or Gardner to me (hard not to) so I can only imagine him and Bruce don't see eye to eye over something not to do with ability. Shame as I think he could make a contribution. I wonder if Bruce had to promise to loan him to Forest to swing the Lansbury deal but had to wait until he got other midfielders in before letting him go.
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Always looked much better than either Westwood or Gardner to me (hard not to) so I can only imagine him and Bruce don't see eye to eye over something not to do with ability. Shame as I think he could make a contribution. I wonder if Bruce had to promise to loan him to Forest to swing the Lansbury deal but had to wait until he got other midfielders in before letting him go.
Yeah, I agree it's an odd one. I thought he had something worth persevering with.
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Always looked much better than either Westwood or Gardner to me (hard not to) so I can only imagine him and Bruce don't see eye to eye over something not to do with ability. Shame as I think he could make a contribution. I wonder if Bruce had to promise to loan him to Forest to swing the Lansbury deal but had to wait until he got other midfielders in before letting him go.
Yeah, I agree it's an odd one. I thought he had something worth persevering with.
Maybe, but how much playing time was he going to get with the 3 newcomers and Jedinak in front of him? Much better for him to go out and get minutes under his belt then come back in the summer and hit the straps in pre-season so that he is pushing for a shirt.
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Always looked much better than either Westwood or Gardner to me (hard not to) so I can only imagine him and Bruce don't see eye to eye over something not to do with ability. Shame as I think he could make a contribution. I wonder if Bruce had to promise to loan him to Forest to swing the Lansbury deal but had to wait until he got other midfielders in before letting him go.
Yeah, I agree it's an odd one. I thought he had something worth persevering with.
Maybe, but how much playing time was he going to get with the 3 newcomers and Jedinak in front of him? Much better for him to go out and get minutes under his belt then come back in the summer and hit the straps in pre-season so that he is pushing for a shirt.
Yeah, I think you are right. I hope we haven't written him off as a Villa player for good though.
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Noticed Tshibola has only made 3 appearances for Forest on-loan. On the bench again yesterday in the loss to Burton. I was expecting him to flourish there; perhaps Brucie can work with him to realise his ability?
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He should've stayed with Reading another year.
He didn't look too bad in the couple of games I saw him but something must be going wrong given he's barely figured for Bruce and can't even make the bench for a Forest team way down the league.
Another in the too much too young category with the lucrative contract we've probably given him?
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Him and McCormack seem to be both making very little impression at Forest. Not good news as we don't want them back here low on confidence and possibly unfit, it will just make it harder to re-integrate or sell them.
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Him and McCormack seem to be both making very little impression at Forest. Not good news as we don't want them back here low on confidence and possibly unfit, it will just make it harder to re-integrate or sell them.
Mark Regan said on WM on Friday that he doesn't think we'll see McCormack in a Villa shirt again.
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He should've stayed with Reading another year.
He didn't look too bad in the couple of games I saw him but something must be going wrong given he's barely figured for Bruce and can't even make the bench for a Forest team way down the league.
Another in the too much too young category with the lucrative contract we've probably given him?
Tshibola is still very young and worth persevering with. The other one (McCormack) can't climb over a 4ft gate!
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Season-long loan to MK Dons.
https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/890632892300140544
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Good luck Tish.
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I dont get this. Signed from side that was in top few in championship with a good reputation. Played well from what I saw. Got loaned out to Forest and now dropping down a league ? I dont get what he did so wrong ?
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Thats him finished then
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I dont get this. Signed from side that was in top few in championship with a good reputation. Played well from what I saw. Got loaned out to Forest and now dropping down a league ? I dont get what he did so wrong ?
He played 12 times for a side that finished 17th before we signed him.
Must admit I thought he looked ok when I saw him last season but something seems wrong. I've said before I wonder if it's attitude related as can't think why else he's been frozen out.
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Bye bye bye Tshibola...
Why why why Tshibola...
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I think that given the last post in this thread was 12th March before this evening is probably all we need to know about him and the situation.
Lots of promise, but it should be said that that's really what we were told rather than had any knowledge of, but has delivered fuck all. As previously said, it must be attitude in related - maybe a Billy Big Bollocks attitude from when he joined(?) that he's never shaken.
Truth is, we just won't know.
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£4.5 m wasn't it on a kid that had played a handful of games and generally looked Ok in a lower mid table side. Madness.
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It look like he is a bad signing and should have stayed at Reading for 2 more seasons but we listen to ex Reading manager Steve Clarke's recommendation.
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I still think there's a good player in tish hope this loan helps find it.
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Complete waste of money. Simple as that.
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Complete waste of money. Simple as that.
Yep, absolutely what we didn't need to do with £4.5 for a midfielder in our situation.
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Reading didn't seem to miss him, he looked very ordinary from what little I saw of him. He also reminds me of that bloody Queen song so more than happy to see him go.
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Complete waste of money. Simple as that.
Yep, absolutely what we didn't need to do with £4.5 for a midfielder in our situation.
Wasn't athletic despite showing the physical status he was lethargic and slow at tracking back . Didn't get around the pitch and league one best for him at this moment . See how he goes .
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Bruce didnt want him, couldnt get in a shit forest team
Dropping a league because no one in the championship wants him. This isnt about his development its about him being shit and getting rid of him
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Well if he drops permanently to a Division 1 side we will be lucky to get £250,000 grand back for him.
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some you win some you lose
Move on and now get rid of the real problems
Richards
Gabby
And the not good enough
Hutton
Gardner
Elphick
Bunn
Bacuna
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some you win some you lose
Move on and now get rid of the real problems
Richards
Gabby
And the not good enough
Hutton
Gardner
Elphick
Bunn
Bacuna
Get ready to be disappointed then because I think Gabby is gonna play a big part in the Villa team next season.
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Why, is his Mom washing the kit?
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some you win some you lose
Move on and now get rid of the real problems
Richards
Gabby
And the not good enough
Hutton
Gardner
Elphick
Bunn
Bacuna
Get ready to be disappointed then because I think Gabby is gonna play a big part in the Villa team next season.
I think so too.
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As long as Gabby is just a late sub and has the right attitude about his role, I think that he could still be an asset
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As long as Gabby is just a late sub and has the right attitude about his role, I think that he could still be an asset
agreed
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Fair play to Gabby he has kept his head down and got on with things ....looks in better shape than past couple of years ....good attitude shown in the Bruce era
Tshibola seems to be just about the opposite .....guess he thought he had made it with a move to villa and he stopped putting the work in
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some you win some you lose
Move on and now get rid of the real problems
Richards
Gabby
And the not good enough
Hutton
Gardner
Elphick
Bunn
Bacuna
Get ready to be disappointed then because I think Gabby is gonna play a big part in the Villa team next season.
I think so too.
Thirded.
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some you win some you lose
Move on and now get rid of the real problems
Richards
Gabby
And the not good enough
Hutton
Gardner
Elphick
Bunn
Bacuna
Get ready to be disappointed then because I think Gabby is gonna play a big part in the Villa team next season.
I think so too.
Thirded.
I feel compelled to say this...the fact Gabby's name is being sung from the stands again besmirches our fans.
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some you win some you lose
Move on and now get rid of the real problems
Richards
Gabby
And the not good enough
Hutton
Gardner
Elphick
Bunn
Bacuna
Get ready to be disappointed then because I think Gabby is gonna play a big part in the Villa team next season.
I don't need to get ready to be be disappointed. I was already there.
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Probably is worth getting him out on loan to get his fittness up. Do think he has good raw promise. Midfield is still looking a bit light for me.
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This is painful to read. He's been dreadful all season apparently. Was I seeing things or did he genuinely look the part at home to Huddersfield last season until he got the injured?
Robbie Neilson pulled no punches in blaming Aaron Tshibola for Dons' 4-1 defeat to Bradford City on Saturday.
The on-loan Aston Villa midfielder was sent off after just five minutes when he was caught dawdling on the ball on the edge of the penalty area by Nicky Law before bringing the Bradford man down on the edge of the box, leaving referee Scott Oldham no choice but to send him off.
Two goals in the next 15 minutes, from Romain Vincelot and Charlie Wyke put the visitors in charge before Ethan Ebanks-Landell's header on the stroke of half time threatened to make a game of it.
But Wyke's second and a Paul Taylor fourth ensured the scoreline greatly favoured the visitors, no thanks to Tshibola.
"He has caused us to lose the game today and he'll have that on his shoulders," said Neilson afterwards. "That's football. Tish is a young boy but he has to learn from that. He's here to educate himself and improve, but he'll realise you can't do that in those areas against teams who will press you.
"There's not a lot to say about it - three or four minutes into the game we had a man sent off. It was a bad decision for him to turn inside and take touches on the edge of the box. He knows that already, I spoke to him about it. He will be missing for the next few games and that's his punishment.
"But I can't ask any more from the rest of the players. We worked so hard. The disappointing thing is that we gave up two goals from set pieces and one from a deflection. We had 10 men, but these are usually situations we can handle.
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He should've stayed at Reading longer.
We signed him with a lot of hype but the reality is he only had played 20-30 pro games when we signed him.
I agree he didn't look too bad at times last season but just looks a case of us signing a young player and giving him a massive deal and he's on easy street then.
Reality might dawn when he's in league two.
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Bizarre we signed him in the first place when you think how inexperienced he was and the fact we needed some real quality to get out of the division. £5m could have been spent better elsewhere
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Gollini, Elphick, Tish, McCormack cost what, quite a bit over £20m?
Add Hogan to that and it's over £30m
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Bizarre we signed him in the first place when you think how inexperienced he was and the fact we needed some real quality to get out of the division. £5m could have been spent better elsewhere
I doubt RDM had a clue who he was. Given Steve Clarke managed him at Reading I'd imagine he pushed the club for the signing.
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Bizarre we signed him in the first place when you think how inexperienced he was and the fact we needed some real quality to get out of the division. £5m could have been spent better elsewhere
I doubt RDM had a clue who he was. Given Steve Clarke managed him at Reading I'd imagine he pushed the club for the signing.
You're right. But £5m?
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Yes we were mugged off there for someone who'd played so few pro games.
Westwood was more experienced and we signed him for about 1m.
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Shame. What a waste of money :(
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Wasn't it £5m subject to the usual appearances/milestone clauses?
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he got sent off and let the rest of the team down
but the idea things aren’t going well are not true, he’s had more MOTM than any other player so far and the MK supporters I speak to (I live in the area) say he’s the best player they got
so it’s not been all bad for the lad
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Bizarre we signed him in the first place when you think how inexperienced he was and the fact we needed some real quality to get out of the division. £5m could have been spent better elsewhere
I doubt RDM had a clue who he was. Given Steve Clarke managed him at Reading I'd imagine he pushed the club for the signing.
Yeah, you have to question Clarke's judgement of a player to prioritise signing him. He'd have seen him train, know his attitude, so it should have been as close to a banker as exists in football.
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He's 22 years old (23 after Christmas) still got some time to turn it around?
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Bizarre we signed him in the first place when you think how inexperienced he was and the fact we needed some real quality to get out of the division. £5m could have been spent better elsewhere
Kickback from the agent, or player, I bet
I doubt RDM had a clue who he was. Given Steve Clarke managed him at Reading I'd imagine he pushed the club for the signing.
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MK Dons have returned him undelivered today, apparently.
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5 million down the drain, to go with the 25 million on McCormack and Hogan.
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I still think it's more attitude than ability that's his problem.
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I still think it's more attitude than ability that's his problem.
Same here. Obviously I don't know him personally but I just get a hunch that he's a right knob.
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Small example of reactions from MK fans (taken from the Express):
“One of the worst players I have seen, genuinely was terrible. Was so excited to get him now I'm so glad he's gone.
“Thanks for having him back lads.”
“So glad he's gone. To think he cost the same amount of money as Dele Alli is f****** laughable.”
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To lump them all together:
you either really love football and will work very hard to play the game at the highest level you can as often as you can
or
you just want to make a lot of money and bum-tweet pics of flash motors
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£5m plus £12m plus £9m equals £26m plus Gabriel plus Micah = FFP fine and embargo.
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I still think it's more attitude than ability that's his problem.
Agree. His attitude must be absolutely stinking considering what has happened over the last year.
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Complete waster. Get rid
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This guy is a man of God, why has he forsaken us?
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On a slight tangent, I see that the similarly aged Ollie Watkins who I was touting as a signing for us in the summer is scoring a few at Brentford.
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Agree Stuart. Watkins was a no brainer. If ever I write my Villa memoirs, the story of Tshibola being sent from the Villa team bus at Cambridge United with the returned tickets and the monumental strop he was in will have to feature. I think Tshibola and the Villa got off on the wrong foot big time.
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I remember the tale, Brian. We could have got in on Watkins like Spurs did with Dele Ali.
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I remember the tale, Brian. We could have got in on Watkins like Spurs did with Dele Ali.
Maybe he was watched by bigger clubs than Brentford and they wasn't convinced. It's hard to comment too much because I've not seen a lot of him but it'll be interesting to see how he progresses because he did score a few for Exeter.
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Regarding Watkins plenty of us spotted him. My daughter's election agent is one of the "elders" of Exeter having supported them with share purchases over the years. I ventured to suggest he should do the right thing and direct him our way. I was slapped down in no uncertain fashion. If you don't ask you don't get.
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I remember the tale, Brian. We could have got in on Watkins like Spurs did with Dele Ali.
Maybe he was watched by bigger clubs than Brentford and they wasn't convinced. It's hard to comment too much because I've not seen a lot of him but it'll be interesting to see how he progresses because he did score a few for Exeter.
And if we were recruiting in the MON period I would have said "buy him and see how it goes" like we did with Delph. In this league, and with limited fund's because of FFP, it was a no brainer to my mind.
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I remember the tale, Brian. We could have got in on Watkins like Spurs did with Dele Ali.
Maybe he was watched by bigger clubs than Brentford and they wasn't convinced. It's hard to comment too much because I've not seen a lot of him but it'll be interesting to see how he progresses because he did score a few for Exeter.
And if we were recruiting in the MON period I would have said "buy him and see how it goes" like we did with Delph. In this league, and with limited fund's because of FFP, it was a no brainer to my mind.
He's the sort of player I'd have liked to see us go for instead of Lansbury and Bjarnason as squad filler (not that they were intended to be that).
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Agree Stuart. Watkins was a no brainer. If ever I write my Villa memoirs, the story of Tshibola being sent from the Villa team bus at Cambridge United with the returned tickets and the monumental strop he was in will have to feature. I think Tshibola and the Villa got off on the wrong foot big time.
whats the story??
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Agree Stuart. Watkins was a no brainer. If ever I write my Villa memoirs, the story of Tshibola being sent from the Villa team bus at Cambridge United with the returned tickets and the monumental strop he was in will have to feature. I think Tshibola and the Villa got off on the wrong foot big time.
whats the story??
Replaced by Houri.........hane.
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he got sent off and let the rest of the team down
but the idea things aren’t going well are not true, he’s had more MOTM than any other player so far and the MK supporters I speak to (I live in the area) say he’s the best player they got
so it’s not been all bad for the lad
Errr Earth calling John.....
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He has been sent back to us half way through his loan their fans are saying he is the worst player they have ever seen. That says a lot.
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Welcome back, err, i think. He will be out on loan somewhere in January
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Welcome back, err, i think. He will be out on loan somewhere in January
Where? Ragged Arsed Rovers? Who's going to take him if he's as bad as they're saying? More money squandered. Steve Clarke should be sent a bill.
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he got sent off and let the rest of the team down
but the idea things aren’t going well are not true, he’s had more MOTM than any other player so far and the MK supporters I speak to (I live in the area) say he’s the best player they got
so it’s not been all bad for the lad
Errr Earth calling John.....
its all turned pear shaped for the lad
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Welcome back, err, i think. He will be out on loan somewhere in January
Where? Ragged Arsed Rovers? Who's going to take him if he's as bad as they're saying? More money squandered. Steve Clarke should be sent a bill.
Coventry
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He is not that bad a player. He is a young man desperately in need of good advice and mature support. Tragic waste of talent. My late brother's brother in law was an outstanding footballer on Small Heath's books. At my brother's funeral I told him how he was the best player I had ever shared a pitch with. He was as wild as a hawk until he became a Jehovah's Witness and moved to Utah where he has become a respected elder of the Church of Mormon. He was the only one sober at my brother's wake. People change for the better often.
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He is not that bad a player. He is a young man desperately in need of good advice and mature support. Tragic waste of talent. My late brother's brother in law was an outstanding footballer on Small Heath's books. At my brother's funeral I told him how he was the best player I had ever shared a pitch with. He was as wild as a hawk until he became a Jehovah's Witness and moved to Utah where he has become a respected elder of the Church of Mormon. He was the only one sober at my brother's wake. People change for the better often.
A JW in the Church of the LDS? - interesting combo, Brian.
I'd agree: I saw a decent player in Tshibola and our management team would do themselves a favour by working this boy back to footballing focus.
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Three managers now haven’t rated him including the one who bought him. A dud.
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Small example of reactions from MK fans (taken from the Express):
“One of the worst players I have seen, genuinely was terrible. Was so excited to get him now I'm so glad he's gone.
“Thanks for having him back lads.”
“So glad he's gone. To think he cost the same amount of money as Dele Alli is f****** laughable.”
I want to ask "what on earth did we see in this kid to go as far as to sign him?", let alone lash out whatever we did for this kid. Then as I reflect the question answers itself given the gong show of a club we've been in the past number of years.
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I was out having a drink with some MK Dons fans last night they said he started off well and looked good early on but then stopped trying his attitude stunk after he got sent off he just started taking the piss
sounds like another billy big bollocks to me a bit of ability but no desire, discipline or work ethic to go with it
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Mister E My tracking of my friend and brother's brother in law may be flawed. In retrospect perhaps he became a Mormon not a JW. I will ask one of my nephews. He was a very different man at 70 than he was at 20, bollocking me for chickening out of tackles in the Birmingham Works League.
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Small example of reactions from MK fans (taken from the Express):
“One of the worst players I have seen, genuinely was terrible. Was so excited to get him now I'm so glad he's gone.
“Thanks for having him back lads.”
“So glad he's gone. To think he cost the same amount of money as Dele Alli is f****** laughable.”
I want to ask "what on earth did we see in this kid to go as far as to sign him?", let alone lash out whatever we did for this kid. Then as I reflect the question answers itself given the gong show of a club we've been in the past number of years.
Steve Clark effectively signed him (managed him at Reading so was a clear recommendation to RDM) so send the bill up to Kilmarnock.
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I was out having a drink with some MK Dons fans last night they said he started off well and looked good early on but then stopped trying his attitude stunk after he got sent off he just started taking the piss
sounds like another billy big bollocks to me a bit of ability but no desire, discipline or work ethic to go with it
I drove past the ground today as I was taking my dad out for lunch. I'd like to see them go up, as MK still has a lot of memories for me.
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I was out having a drink with some MK Dons fans last night they said he started off well and looked good early on but then stopped trying his attitude stunk after he got sent off he just started taking the piss
sounds like another billy big bollocks to me a bit of ability but no desire, discipline or work ethic to go with it
I drove past the ground today as I was taking my dad out for lunch. I'd like to see them go up, as MK still has a lot of memories for me.
yeah I haven't got a massive problem with MK Dons, I know a lot of others have
I think part of it was I always hated Wimbledon not because they were small fry playing above there level but because they were cheating, conniving, dirty anti football bastards I hated watching there their shitty football (apart from FA Cup final obvs) and so I didn't care for them
MK went to the schools and youngsters to try and build their support base which is pretty crap to be fair but anyone much under 20 won't remember the history of how they came about anyway
and I've always said I'd rather have youngsters supporting the local team than glory hunting with Man Utd Chelsea etc of which we have millions
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He's 22, plenty of time to change his attitude and perhaps a spell with our youngsters will sort him. He had a couple of games early doors for us where he looked ok, perhaps he just needs the right mentor to guide him. Otherwise it's more wasted talent.
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Seems like he did OK at Kilmarnock.
Is there a player in there we can make use of? If we can't get a transfer fee, surely we need to take another look?
http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2018/05/15/kilmarnock-fans-want-aston-villas-aaron-tshibola-back/
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Seems like he did OK at Kilmarnock.
Is there a player in there we can make use of? If we can't get a transfer fee, surely we need to take another look?
http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2018/05/15/kilmarnock-fans-want-aston-villas-aaron-tshibola-back/
I liked the look of him in the few games he played in his first season, but there is obviously some kind of attitude problem with him which has surfaced at a number of clubs. He seems to do well for Steve Clarke, so maybe he would be better off just going up there and playing for him.
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I didn't see the game, but a lot of Kilmarnock fans (if that's possible) on Twitter were saying that Tshibola ran the midfield against Celtic yesterday. Granted, he was up against Youssouf Mulumbu, but if he;s putting in decent performances against Champions League sides it begs the question as to why Bruce didn't think he was fit for the Championship, doesn't it...?
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I have told the story two or three times but in this context of Tshibola's attitude issue it is worth retelling.
In the pre season friendlies three seasons ago we played Cambridge United. Being only a five minute walk from my daughter's house we decided to go to the game. I called VP on the day. They said the unsold away tickets were on the bus with the players who were already on their way. Villa player's bus eventually came. We were still hanging around the ticket sales Portakabin. Eventually with minutes to spare before kick off Aaron Tshibola appeared at the Portakabin to deliver the away tickets. He was down to play (He played very well actually) but to say he was in a strop at running club errands would be a big understatement.
It was clear that either he had already got the hump with the club or the club at got the hump with him before he ever played a league game.
It was a memorable game we won 3-0 That could have been 6-0 without breaking sweat. It was the only time I ever saw the combined attacking skills of our young players used properly. Grealish, Green and Rushian Hepburn-Murphy.
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I was at that game too. I remember Scott Sinclair and Gary Gardner playing particularly well!
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I don't see anything particularly wrong at him being in a strop, there. I imagine most players have their own pre-match routine, possibly including many odd superstitions, that they like to stick to. Being asked to run club errands five minutes before kick off sounds a bit semi-pro.
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In terms of his attitude – and this isn’t to dismiss your story – but would he be the first young footballer to have a bit of an attitude? Would this warrant effectively throwing him on the footballing scrap-heap? I remember David Platt and Mark Bosnich being grumpy and arrogant, but it didn’t stop either of them producing the goods on the pitch. Is his attitude any worse than Henri Lansbury’s couldn’t-care-less about actually playing football approach?
It just seems to me that if he keeps on playing well in Scotland it won’t be long before either one of the old firm or another Championship club takes an interest in him and he goes on to bigger and better things.
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I had the feeling that when Bruce came in he quickly identified players that he thought he could get money for so that he could do what he likes best, buying players. I thought Tshibola was one of those. The problem was, other than a couple, many became unsellable due to high wages and not being put in the shop window by playing them.
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Old man villa, what you said there is spot on, but the concern is the players Bruce has bought and also RDM there are not many of them that will sell for a profit, a problem we seem to have been able to repeat season after season for the last god knows how many years, we just seem to be very good at buying the main man from our rivals, then for a host of reasons and alot of them are management ones, making them into a hot pile of turd.
Maybe Super John maybe the turning point, but then I look at Bolaise, Tammy potential stars, but not our players.
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In terms of his attitude – and this isn’t to dismiss your story – but would he be the first young footballer to have a bit of an attitude? Would this warrant effectively throwing him on the footballing scrap-heap? I remember David Platt and Mark Bosnich being grumpy and arrogant, but it didn’t stop either of them producing the goods on the pitch. Is his attitude any worse than Henri Lansbury’s couldn’t-care-less about actually playing football approach?
It just seems to me that if he keeps on playing well in Scotland it won’t be long before either one of the old firm or another Championship club takes an interest in him and he goes on to bigger and better things.
He had problems at clubs he went on loan to didn't he? If I recall correctly, he hardly played at Forest and MK Dons during his spells there.
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Just because he's had a game or two in Scotland doesn't make him good enough for the Championship.
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Just because he's had a game or two in Scotland doesn't make him good enough for the Championship.
What about the spell he had playing well for Reading....in the Championship?
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Just because he's had a game or two in Scotland doesn't make him good enough for the Championship.
What about the spell he had playing well for Reading....in the Championship?
Oh yes, sorry, those 13 games were brilliant. So they loaned him out to Hartlepool.
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They loaned him out to Hartlepool before he'd played much for them, like most clubs do with youngsters.
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My bro-in-law Reading season Tkt holder was sad to see him leave, albeit we paid an OTT price for him. He also seemed to have been very good doing his fan-relations duty, got sent a nice pic of him with one of my nephews, I hadn't heard of any attitude problems, I can probably dig for more from their end, but I think his ship has already sailed.
Obviously was always a Clarke signing, and perhaps no surprise he's getting a tune out of him there.
Also Clarke doing well in 4th and great record against Celtic, seems to have found the right place for himself.
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He's a big believer in God and Jesus too so he must be a good lad.
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In terms of his attitude – and this isn’t to dismiss your story – but would he be the first young footballer to have a bit of an attitude? Would this warrant effectively throwing him on the footballing scrap-heap? I remember David Platt and Mark Bosnich being grumpy and arrogant, but it didn’t stop either of them producing the goods on the pitch. Is his attitude any worse than Henri Lansbury’s couldn’t-care-less about actually playing football approach?
It just seems to me that if he keeps on playing well in Scotland it won’t be long before either one of the old firm or another Championship club takes an interest in him and he goes on to bigger and better things.
I met Dwight Yorke in the early BFR days, with the London Lions, and he was one arrogant arsehole.
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Just because he's had a game or two in Scotland doesn't make him good enough for the Championship.
What about the spell he had playing well for Reading....in the Championship?
Oh yes, sorry, those 13 games were brilliant. So they loaned him out to Hartlepool.
Hmm. A bit of Bruce-esque revisionism here... He went on loan to Hartlepool in 2014/15, returning to Reading the following season, where he made 16 appearances in total.
I just don't understand why he wasn't given a chance in pre-season, when the squad was on its knees. Is it really better to persevere with a player like Henri Lansbury - who's barely ever broken sweat in a Villa shirt - than to try to get a tune of a young player who clearly has some ability?
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What's this clear ability you speak of ?
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Can't say I ever saw it either. Awful player.
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Athletic, mobile, combative. Definitely didn't pull-up any trees in a Villa shirt but as a 20 year old certainly looked to have a lot of potential with (dare I say it) some coaching. I'm sure the general consensus would have been different had he come through our youth ranks. Time will tell I suppose, but it seems to me that he's another that we've written-off (figuratively and literally) without actually trying to develop.
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Athletic, mobile, combative. Definitely didn't pull-up any trees in a Villa shirt but as a 20 year old certainly looked to have a lot of potential with (dare I say it) some coaching. I'm sure the general consensus would have been different had he come through our youth ranks. Time will tell I suppose, but it seems to me that he's another that we've written-off (figuratively and literally) without actually trying to develop.
How many load spells has he had since he signed for us? Two plus the current one from what I recall.
If you can't impress at Forest and especially MK Dons then there has to be serious questions asked.
You can't coach something that isn't there clearly. If he stopped doing all that praise God stuff and buckled down he might still make a career in the lower leagues though
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I don't think he's great but I'd like to have seen him get a bit more of a chance because he has the presence to be the type of midfielder we need but, when he arrived, looked overawed by the whole thing and not really ready to be a club of our size. He's played another 35-40 games in league 1 and the SPL since we last saw him and done a decent job in many of them so I think it would be good if only to show that going on loan and giving it a go earns you some 'credit'. We've seen, in Hutton (even though I'd have let him go this summer), that allowing someone to come back into things after they've been abandoned can work out but that sort of rehabilitation doesn't really fit Bruce's almost compulsive desire to sign new players.
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I'm on Russellc side
I think he does have some ability it's his attitude and determination that's in question for me
he'l never be any good unless he can change that
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In terms of his attitude – and this isn’t to dismiss your story – but would he be the first young footballer to have a bit of an attitude? Would this warrant effectively throwing him on the footballing scrap-heap? I remember David Platt and Mark Bosnich being grumpy and arrogant, but it didn’t stop either of them producing the goods on the pitch. Is his attitude any worse than Henri Lansbury’s couldn’t-care-less about actually playing football approach?
It just seems to me that if he keeps on playing well in Scotland it won’t be long before either one of the old firm or another Championship club takes an interest in him and he goes on to bigger and better things.
I met Dwight Yorke in the early BFR days, with the London Lions, and he was one arrogant arsehole.
Yorke lived next door to my cousin around that time and asked her out a few times but she said no as she was seeing a guy. He used to drink in Solihull with Bryan Small and if I was out with my cousin Yorke would chat to me, but he never seemed interested in chatting to me if she wasn't around. However, Small was always friendly and chatty with me whether my cousin was there or not.
I never met Platt but I have met Bosnich and he was great, really chatty and friendly.
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He wasn't setting the world alight but he showed some promise that I thought was worth sticking with, but after those stories about him being out drinking and then the hippy crack shortly after that,appeared he pretty much vanished from the first team squad. So i'm guessing there was something off the pitch that caused it as wasn't on the pitch as he was no worse than Westwood and Gardner at the time.
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Just because he's had a game or two in Scotland doesn't make him good enough for the Championship.
What about the spell he had playing well for Reading....in the Championship?
Oh yes, sorry, those 13 games were brilliant. So they loaned him out to Hartlepool.
Hmm. A bit of Bruce-esque revisionism here... He went on loan to Hartlepool in 2014/15, returning to Reading the following season, where he made 16 appearances in total.
I just don't understand why he wasn't given a chance in pre-season, when the squad was on its knees. Is it really better to persevere with a player like Henri Lansbury - who's barely ever broken sweat in a Villa shirt - than to try to get a tune of a young player who clearly has some ability?
Not revisionism, just a lazy post really.
My wording could have said. 'So good wa she that Reading loaned him out to play 23 games for Hartlepool then gave him 13 games themselves.' 'Then we flounced in with a load of dosh and bought the potential rather than any quality because we had a bit of cash.'
He's not done anything to evidence he's good enough, particularly to get in the side in front of Grealish, McGinn, Hourihane, etc.
As for Lansbury, career so far...
Senior career*
Years Team Apps (Gls)
2007–2012 Arsenal 3 (0)
2009 → Scunthorpe United (loan) 16 (4)
2009–2010 → Watford (loan) 37 (5)
2010–2011 → Norwich City (loan) 23 (4)
2011–2012 → West Ham United (loan) 22 (1)
2012–2017 → Nottingham Forest 145 (32)
2017 – → Aston Villa 26 (1)
National team
2005–2006 England U16 5 (0)
2006–2007 England U17 14 (4)
2007–2009 England U19 11 (4)
2009–2013 England U21 16 (5)
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But that's what most clubs do with young players, it's like saying Grealish was so good we sent him to Notts County and then we started to give him some games. Or Harry Kane was so good Spurs sent him out on loan 4 times. And when Tshibola was frozen out he wasn't competing with those players, it was Gardner, Bacuna and Westwood.
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But that's what most clubs do with young players, it's like saying Grealish was so good we sent him to Notts County and then we started to give him some games. Or Harry Kane was so good Spurs sent him out on loan 4 times. And when Tshibola was frozen out he wasn't competing with those players, it was Gardner, Bacuna and Westwood.
And he wasn't good enough so he's been shipped out.
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Even if he isn't, and I still think it's more off the pitch reasons why he's been frozen out, using him going to Hartlepool on loan as proof he wasn't very good doesn't hold up.
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I never met Platt but I have met Bosnich and he was great, really chatty and friendly.
Were his pupils dilated at the time...?
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Just because he's had a game or two in Scotland doesn't make him good enough for the Championship.
What about the spell he had playing well for Reading....in the Championship?
Oh yes, sorry, those 13 games were brilliant. So they loaned him out to Hartlepool.
Hmm. A bit of Bruce-esque revisionism here... He went on loan to Hartlepool in 2014/15, returning to Reading the following season, where he made 16 appearances in total.
I just don't understand why he wasn't given a chance in pre-season, when the squad was on its knees. Is it really better to persevere with a player like Henri Lansbury - who's barely ever broken sweat in a Villa shirt - than to try to get a tune of a young player who clearly has some ability?
Not revisionism, just a lazy post really.
My wording could have said. 'So good wa she that Reading loaned him out to play 23 games for Hartlepool then gave him 13 games themselves.' 'Then we flounced in with a load of dosh and bought the potential rather than any quality because we had a bit of cash.'
He's not done anything to evidence he's good enough, particularly to get in the side in front of Grealish, McGinn, Hourihane, etc.
As for Lansbury, career so far...
Senior career*
Years Team Apps (Gls)
2007–2012 Arsenal 3 (0)
2009 → Scunthorpe United (loan) 16 (4)
2009–2010 → Watford (loan) 37 (5)
2010–2011 → Norwich City (loan) 23 (4)
2011–2012 → West Ham United (loan) 22 (1)
2012–2017 → Nottingham Forest 145 (32)
2017 – → Aston Villa 26 (1)
National team
2005–2006 England U16 5 (0)
2006–2007 England U17 14 (4)
2007–2009 England U19 11 (4)
2009–2013 England U21 16 (5)
Well, if Arsenal loaned Lansbury to Scunthorpe, he can't be any good...right...?
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My memory of Tshibola is away to Cardiff in 16/17. We started with Gary Gardiner and Westwood who hardly touched the ball. Tshibola come on at half time and had more touches then both of them put together. Not saying we are missing him mind.
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Even if he isn't, and I still think it's more off the pitch reasons why he's been frozen out, using him going to Hartlepool on loan as proof he wasn't very good doesn't hold up.
He played some games for them, then a few at Reading. He hasn't set the world alight has he?
Lansbury went to Scunthorpe. Also not very good until you then see the other teams he played a lot of games for and did well in.
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Even if he isn't, and I still think it's more off the pitch reasons why he's been frozen out, using him going to Hartlepool on loan as proof he wasn't very good doesn't hold up.
My point is that 23 games for Hartlepool and 13 games for Reading isn't exactly the sort of career that evidences anything of a decent level. He's shown us fuck all too. He played some games for Kilmarnock which isn't exactly in a taxing league (McGinn had rave reviews from everyone up there and played for Scotland and was at a much higher performance level).
Would you say 23 games for Hartlepool was a good indicator?
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I've never said he has, but you're trying to use him going on loan to Hartlepool as a youngster as proof he was always crap. Which doesn't hold up. And Lansbury is 28 in a couple of weeks and can't get into the match day squad for a currently mid-table second division side. Maybe see where Tshibola is in 4 or 5 years time. Then we'll know if he was any good or not.
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To clarify, i'm saying that going on loan to Hartlepool doesn't prove anything as every year loads of players, some bad, some soon to be brilliant, are sent on loan to the lower leagues. I'm not saying that he's some super talent scandalously being overlooked.
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Certainly a strange one.
I was impressed with him against Huddersfield just after he signed, might've been his home debut but he was box to box and passed o.k.
Think he got injured straight after that and fell out of favour and then we changed manager.
I'm sure I read a while back SB wasn't impressed at his attitude in reserve games.
What's beyond doubt is we paid miles over for him, 5m for a guy with just 20 pro games. Should've been 1-2m with then plenty of add ons if he did well for us.
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He didn't play more at Reading after his (very successful) loan that season as he got injured, so the 17games thing before he came to us isn't fair. He had potential, we overpaid for it, then didn't develop it, or give it chance to see if we could. Poor use of resources (expenditure) then poor handling of an asset. We've sadly specialised in this in recent years.
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To clarify, i'm saying that going on loan to Hartlepool doesn't prove anything as every year loads of players, some bad, some soon to be brilliant, are sent on loan to the lower leagues. I'm not saying that he's some super talent scandalously being overlooked.
OK, I get your point. I suppose what I'm trying to say is that so far the evidence in front of us is that he played well at Hartlepool, had a few games at Reading and has done ok for Kilmarnock.
It's not the best CV going is it? Yes, a lot of players go on loan at lower league clubs to improve, christ we've got and had enough of them the last couple of years and sent enough of ours out too. Clarke seems to be doing great at Port Vale, yet won't get in our team. Sulaiman is, by all accounts a great prospect too, but he's not evidenced it at a decent level yet.
I'm trying to say that Tshibola is just not proving enough to warrant getting into our side with the midfielders we've currently got.
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To clarify, i'm saying that going on loan to Hartlepool doesn't prove anything as every year loads of players, some bad, some soon to be brilliant, are sent on loan to the lower leagues. I'm not saying that he's some super talent scandalously being overlooked.
OK, I get your point. I suppose what I'm trying to say is that so far the evidence in front of us is that he played well at Hartlepool, had a few games at Reading and has done ok for Kilmarnock.
It's not the best CV going is it? Yes, a lot of players go on loan at lower league clubs to improve, christ we've got and had enough of them the last couple of years and sent enough of ours out too. Clarke seems to be doing great at Port Vale, yet won't get in our team. Sulaiman is, by all accounts a great prospect too, but he's not evidenced it at a decent level yet.
I'm trying to say that Tshibola is just not proving enough to warrant getting into our side with the midfielders we've currently got.
Another one who needs a fresh start somewhere else, but like others I'm guessing we are paying him the kind of wages he has no chance of securing elsewhere. As with the likes of Elphick, McCormack, De Laet etc. we are trapped in a circle where these players go out on loan only to come back and the whole process starts all over again until their contract eventually runs out.
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That's the reason why I'd like to have seen him involved in pre-season and maybe a cup game or 2. He's not going to get in ahead of Grealish or McGinn but he it would've been worth seeing if he could compete with Hourihane/Whelan/Bjarnason for the 3rd spot in games where we needed a bit more presence in there.
Like a few players he seems to be one that Bruce has decided he doesn't like and there's nothing he can do to change that. Elphick, De Laet, Fat Ross, Lansbury and Bjarnason all seem to have the same problem.
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I don't see any point in keeping someone like him on the payroll if the manager does not rate him. Bruce didn't sign him and he hasn't exactly pulled up any trees anywhere else. It's just a case of moving a player on who he thinks he can do without, like Gary Gardner for instance. There's not problem with it for me.
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The problem is, we're writing off a £5m investment in the process. And I'd be extrenely surprised if Kilmarnock were covering all of his wages. Granted, Bruce didn't sign him, but don't you think that just discarding players that you inherit and don't rate (for whatever reason) has largely contributed to the financial situation that we're in. Have we really benefiting at all from loaning out Tshibola and Gardner and buying Whelan and Lansbury? Is this not exactly the 'sticking plaster approach' that Bruce was so vocal about moving away from in the summer?
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It's not ideal but you have to give a manager the right to sort out who he want's in his squad and who he thinks he can do without. He did the same with Westwood and Gestede, who luckily we both got money for. I'm not going to pine for Thisbola or think what might have been because the likes of Lansbury have flattered to deceive.
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That's it for me, not wanting a player is fine, but surely the Lamberty Bomb Squad showed that just ignoring players isn't a great approach.
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That's it for me, not wanting a player is fine, but surely the Lamberty Bomb Squad showed that just ignoring players isn't a great approach.
Exactly. In how many other jobs would you just be allowed to discard assets that you inherited because you didn't like them?!
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That's it for me, not wanting a player is fine, but surely the Lamberty Bomb Squad showed that just ignoring players isn't a great approach.
Used to be a pretty effective way of moving on players who were not wanted at a club ('training with the kids'), but totally redundant in an age where professional pride seem to be in short supply and many players will quite happily see out their contract watching games from the stands.
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I don't see any point in keeping someone like him on the payroll if the manager does not rate him. Bruce didn't sign him and he hasn't exactly pulled up any trees anywhere else. It's just a case of moving a player on who he thinks he can do without, like Gary Gardner for instance. There's not problem with it for me.
It's not that easy though. If the only moves open to them involve a significant drop in wages, the player isn't going to move and they can't be forced to. Unless a mutually agreed settlement can be reached, then the player isn't going to go anywhere in those circumstances and will see out their contract. They might go on loan, as they will still get their money, but there's no chance they will move on if there is a big financial drop.
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That's it for me, not wanting a player is fine, but surely the Lamberty Bomb Squad showed that just ignoring players isn't a great approach.
Used to be a pretty effective way of moving on players who were not wanted at a club ('training with the kids'), but totally redundant in an age where professional pride seem to be in short supply and many players will quite happily see out their contract watching games from the stands.
I'm not sure it's about professional pride for many players.
Tish, for example, would be taking a step down the leagues to move on and if he thinks he's good enough and it's only because of Bruce that he's not getting a look in I can understand sticking it out in the hopes that Bruce fucks off and he gets a fresh start at what could be the biggest club he ever plays for.
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I put Tshibola in the same group as Bree and Bedeau; players bought for potential rather than immediate impact. Yes, I understand that Tshi had had gametime at Reading and had represented England but he still seemed pretty raw.
On the few occasions I've seen him play, he looked full of running, was strong and played with simple effectiveness.
He's probably beyond redemption for us, but there were the hints at a decent player.
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Thread title needs adjustment, by the way.
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Agree with you Mr E. I think I saw a decent, strong, athletic player in Tshibola. Not a world beater but no way valueless.
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He was just a very average youth team player bought from an average Championship team. There was nothing in him to say that he worth even a fifth of what he paid for him. I bet you could stick a pin at random in just about any Championship team youth team line up and get a player as good as Tshibola.
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That's it for me, not wanting a player is fine, but surely the Lamberty Bomb Squad showed that just ignoring players isn't a great approach.
Used to be a pretty effective way of moving on players who were not wanted at a club ('training with the kids'), but totally redundant in an age where professional pride seem to be in short supply and many players will quite happily see out their contract watching games from the stands.
I'm not sure it's about professional pride for many players.
Tish, for example, would be taking a step down the leagues to move on and if he thinks he's good enough and it's only because of Bruce that he's not getting a look in I can understand sticking it out in the hopes that Bruce fucks off and he gets a fresh start at what could be the biggest club he ever plays for.
Unless some kind of compensation was agreed, he would also be taking a significant wage cut if he moved down the leagues so you can see why players in that position are unwilling to move on. We have a number of players in our squad who are surplus to requirements, but unlikely to get anywhere near the money they are on at Villa if they move on.
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That's it for me, not wanting a player is fine, but surely the Lamberty Bomb Squad showed that just ignoring players isn't a great approach.
Used to be a pretty effective way of moving on players who were not wanted at a club ('training with the kids'), but totally redundant in an age where professional pride seem to be in short supply and many players will quite happily see out their contract watching games from the stands.
I'm not sure it's about professional pride for many players.
Tish, for example, would be taking a step down the leagues to move on and if he thinks he's good enough and it's only because of Bruce that he's not getting a look in I can understand sticking it out in the hopes that Bruce fucks off and he gets a fresh start at what could be the biggest club he ever plays for.
Unless some kind of compensation was agreed, he would also be taking a significant wage cut if he moved down the leagues so you can see why players in that position are unwilling to move on. We have a number of players in our squad who are surplus to requirements, but unlikely to get anywhere near the money they are on at Villa if they move on.
But surely it's not beyond the whit of man to reach a deal where the difference in wages is made up in an exit payment as part of the global deal?
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That's it for me, not wanting a player is fine, but surely the Lamberty Bomb Squad showed that just ignoring players isn't a great approach.
Used to be a pretty effective way of moving on players who were not wanted at a club ('training with the kids'), but totally redundant in an age where professional pride seem to be in short supply and many players will quite happily see out their contract watching games from the stands.
I'm not sure it's about professional pride for many players.
Tish, for example, would be taking a step down the leagues to move on and if he thinks he's good enough and it's only because of Bruce that he's not getting a look in I can understand sticking it out in the hopes that Bruce fucks off and he gets a fresh start at what could be the biggest club he ever plays for.
Unless some kind of compensation was agreed, he would also be taking a significant wage cut if he moved down the leagues so you can see why players in that position are unwilling to move on. We have a number of players in our squad who are surplus to requirements, but unlikely to get anywhere near the money they are on at Villa if they move on.
But surely it's not beyond the whit of man to reach a deal where the difference in wages is made up in an exit payment as part of the global deal?
Well no and I guess that is the only way we would be able to get rid of some of them, but it would be a costly exercise in some cases.
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It would as it crystallises some loss, but equally it shouldn't mean we are paying up their full contract, just part of it hopefully.
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I agree with all of that but my point is that I don't necessarily think it's about the money in this case. Tish doing well at Kilmarnock (for example) might get a move to the championship or similar, if he sticks with Villa, gets a chance and takes it and he opens up a lot more options. I'm not saying he would take but if he believes he's good enough to play for us regularly then I can see the appeal of sticking it out from a career perspective regardless of any financial benefits.
Someone who's had a top flight career and is on their way down (Gabby, Richards, etc) I have less sympathy because they should know that many of those options are gone, that's where a desire to play games versus a desire to earn money becomes a big question and we've had far too many players who've chosen the money in the last 10 years, which is a big part of why we're mid-table in the 2 division.
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I agree with all of that but my point is that I don't necessarily think it's about the money in this case. Tish doing well at Kilmarnock (for example) might get a move to the championship or similar, if he sticks with Villa, gets a chance and takes it and he opens up a lot more options. I'm not saying he would take but if he believes he's good enough to play for us regularly then I can see the appeal of sticking it out from a career perspective regardless of any financial benefits.
Someone who's had a top flight career and is on their way down (Gabby, Richards, etc) I have less sympathy because they should know that many of those options are gone, that's where a desire to play games versus a desire to earn money becomes a big question and we've had far too many players who've chosen the money in the last 10 years, which is a big part of why we're mid-table in the 2 division.
I might be cynical, but I'm not so sure Paul. Even with a new manager, I would say his chances of playing regularly for us are very slim. I might be being a bit harsh, but he is playing regular football for a manager he clearly gets on with while pocketing his full salary. Why would he want to give that up and earn less until he has to?
Not blaming him by the way, we are the ones that gave him that contract.
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I agree with all of that but my point is that I don't necessarily think it's about the money in this case. Tish doing well at Kilmarnock (for example) might get a move to the championship or similar, if he sticks with Villa, gets a chance and takes it and he opens up a lot more options. I'm not saying he would take but if he believes he's good enough to play for us regularly then I can see the appeal of sticking it out from a career perspective regardless of any financial benefits.
Someone who's had a top flight career and is on their way down (Gabby, Richards, etc) I have less sympathy because they should know that many of those options are gone, that's where a desire to play games versus a desire to earn money becomes a big question and we've had far too many players who've chosen the money in the last 10 years, which is a big part of why we're mid-table in the 2 division.
I might be cynical, but I'm not so sure Paul. Even with a new manager, I would say his chances of playing regularly for us are very slim. I might be being a bit harsh, but he is playing regular football for a manager he clearly gets on with while pocketing his full salary. Why would he want to give that up and earn less until he has to?
Not blaming him by the way, we are the ones that gave him that contract.
I think that's largely the same point, there's very little incentive (either in terms of playtime or finance) for him to go anywhere permanently right now because staying with us gives him more options, one of which was to go back on loan to Kilmarnock and I'd hope that any young (ish) player who goes out on loan does so with half an eye on it giving him a chance at coming back and getting into the team.
Remember this all started from the mention of professional pride and I stand by my belief that it's not fair, currently, to question him over that. I doubt his wages are huge so I don't have any issue with the contract we've given him, my concern is that we signed (for a decent amount of money) a 21 year old with about 30 games to his name, played him 7-8 times and then dumped him with very little attempt to improve him with coaching or get any return on that investment. I have the same issue with how we've handled Bree as well.
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I don't know if this has been mentioned but 'fitba'? Why?
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I agree with all of that but my point is that I don't necessarily think it's about the money in this case. Tish doing well at Kilmarnock (for example) might get a move to the championship or similar, if he sticks with Villa, gets a chance and takes it and he opens up a lot more options. I'm not saying he would take but if he believes he's good enough to play for us regularly then I can see the appeal of sticking it out from a career perspective regardless of any financial benefits.
Someone who's had a top flight career and is on their way down (Gabby, Richards, etc) I have less sympathy because they should know that many of those options are gone, that's where a desire to play games versus a desire to earn money becomes a big question and we've had far too many players who've chosen the money in the last 10 years, which is a big part of why we're mid-table in the 2 division.
I might be cynical, but I'm not so sure Paul. Even with a new manager, I would say his chances of playing regularly for us are very slim. I might be being a bit harsh, but he is playing regular football for a manager he clearly gets on with while pocketing his full salary. Why would he want to give that up and earn less until he has to?
Not blaming him by the way, we are the ones that gave him that contract.
I think that's largely the same point, there's very little incentive (either in terms of playtime or finance) for him to go anywhere permanently right now because staying with us gives him more options, one of which was to go back on loan to Kilmarnock and I'd hope that any young (ish) player who goes out on loan does so with half an eye on it giving him a chance at coming back and getting into the team.
Remember this all started from the mention of professional pride and I stand by my belief that it's not fair, currently, to question him over that. I doubt his wages are huge so I don't have any issue with the contract we've given him, my concern is that we signed (for a decent amount of money) a 21 year old with about 30 games to his name, played him 7-8 times and then dumped him with very little attempt to improve him with coaching or get any return on that investment. I have the same issue with how we've handled Bree as well.
Agree with that Paul, but I think in Tshibola's case, his loan spells at Forest and MK Dons hardly pointed at a player trying to prove himself and get himself back in the reckoning. I do agree that Bruce doesn't seem to have handled the younger members of the first team squad well though and as a result we haven't seen much in terms of development from many of them.
The point about professional pride was a wider one really. It used to be the case that one of the worst things that could happen to a player was to be frozen out or sent to 'train with the kids' and their professional pride meant that they were soon wanting to leave the club. Managers knew that and it was a useful and effective tactic. That doesn't seem to be the case any more and players are quite happy run their contracts down sitting in the stands as long as they keep pocketing their money. Tshibola has gone out loan, so it might be a bit unfair to put him in that category, but we've certainly had a few over recent years who are.
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I don't know if this has been mentioned but 'fitba'? Why?
Bloody Jocks.
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Bruce is rubbish in these situations. He discards players and undermines their confidence, especially the younger players. You can see it happening with Bree and O'Hare. Get rid of this idiot of a manager!
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So Tshibola was invited back for the start of pre-season training, but wasn’t taken on the US trip. Whereas Lansbury, Hogan, Bree and Bjarnason seem to be in contention for a place in this season’s squad, does that mean Tshibola is definitely not going to be involved? I was hoping that he was going to miraculously reinvent himself and save us £15m, but I suppose 3 years of underachievement is an indication that he’s another one that we probably need to draw the line under. If so, he wasn’t as expensive a mistake as Ross McCormack, but still £5m that could have been better spent under Di Matteo.
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Was it only £5m if he met all milestones? I'd be surprised if he met any of them.
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I wonder if it will be a contract variation, like McCormack and just get rid. Clearly not rated by Dean.
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another RDM masterwank.
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Steve Clarke pushed him into it, mind.
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Apart from McKirdy and Adomah have any of our released players found a home yet?
Must be premiership sized wages putting suitors off the likes of Jedi / Whelan - maybe one of them or both will rock up for Brucastle?
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Apart from McKirdy and Adomah have any of our released players found a home yet?
Must be premiership sized wages putting suitors off the likes of Jedi / Whelan - maybe one of them or both will rock up for Brucastle?
Plenty of them have. RDL is back in Belgium, Elphick is with Huddersfield, Knibbs at Cmabridge, Blackett-Taylor to Tranmere, Prosser to Kidderminster.
Other than that you have Richards, Bunn, Jedi and Whelan all struggling because they are, for differing reasons, semi-retired, I wouldn't be surprised to see Whelan get a club but the rest all look unlikely to me. That leaves Hutton who will end up somewhere and McCormack who will struggle but will find someone desperate eventually.
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Wouldn't be surprised if McCormack announced his retirement.
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Isn't Hutton at Forest?
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no still without a club. There was speculation that he was either going to Forest or Wigan, but nothing yet.
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The Forest speculation was before O'Neill got the boot. There was also some suggestion that "Rangers" might be after him but then I saw Gerrard saying that they wanted to reduce the size of the squad the other day.
Surprised that noone has taken a good pro like Hutton on yet. Maybe he is waiting for the right offer.
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The Forest speculation was before O'Neill got the boot. There was also some suggestion that "Rangers" might be after him but then I saw Gerrard saying that they wanted to reduce the size of the squad the other day.
Surprised that noone has taken a good pro like Hutton on yet. Maybe he is waiting for the right offer.
It's tough, he's a good pro but around Christmas his game dropped off and he was a bit of a liability for us after that, at his age the drop off in standards can come pretty quickly so he's probably only being offered 1 year deals so he's probably not wanting to uproot after living in the area for such a long time for a short deal.
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Looks like he’s joining Waasland-Beveren in the Belgian pro league
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This is a translation of a current article.
According to Het Laatste Nieuws, Waasland-Beveren is launching a strong transfer. Aaron Tshibola comes over Aston Villa.
The 24-year-old defending midfielder is coming over from the English club. A few years ago, Tshibola cost more than five million euros. How much Waasland-Beveren is putting on the table has not yet been announced.
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This is a translation of a current article.
According to Het Laatste Nieuws, Waasland-Beveren is launching a strong transfer. Aaron Tshibola comes over Aston Villa.
The 24-year-old defending midfielder is coming over from the English club. A few years ago, Tshibola cost more than five million euros. How much Waasland-Beveren is putting on the table has not yet been announced.
Hopefully a single Eurostar ticket will be enough to do the deal.
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Completed.
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Permanent deal no fee disclosed by the looks of things but given his contract would have expired next summer I imagine it was for very little.
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Good work by the villa getting shot of that car crash
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Apart from his goal v Newcastle, my fondest memory of him is away to Cardiff in 16/17 when we lost 1-0. We started with Gardner and Westwood and brought Tish on for the 2nd half. He had more touches in the 2nd half than the original 2 did in the 1st half put together!
Generally nowhere near the quality required for the championship, never mind the prem but good luck to him.
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Good luck to the lad, hope he does well for himself.
It can’t be nice being stuck at a club where you aren’t gong to play so happy for him that he’s been able to move on.
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One of the very few Villa players I have talked to during their playing careers. He got off on the wrong foot and his performances suffered. I believe he has the talent but like Scott Hogan after him he appears to cop the nark much too easily. I wish him well.
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We have way too may central midfielders for him to make an impact here.
Good luck to him.
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We paid way too much for him at the end of the day but good luck to him.
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Good work by the villa getting shot of that car crash
I'm not sure what he's done wrong other than just not being up to Villa's level. Have I missed something ?
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I wish him well, I don't know why but I always felt a bit sorry for him.
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Good luck to him. I don’t get the saltiness about players like him leaving. You could say he wasted some good years of his career playing for a car crash club.
I’ll save my bad vibes for the real piss takers and there have been plenty of those in recent years.
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Good luck to him. I don’t get the saltiness about players like him leaving. You could say he wasted some good years of his career playing for a car crash club.
I’ll save my bad vibes for the real piss takers and there have been plenty of those in recent years.
Sums up my thoughts exactly. No reason to wish him any ill will.
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Good luck to him, he was part of a poor period of our history when we were paying over the odds for mediocre/poor players.
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He's just like a ten times more expensive Jordan Bowery. Absolute nothing player. He'll be one of those players you can never remember when trying to do a "fill in the names of the players" quiz on the BBC website in ten years time.
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I honestly don't think we can judge the guy. We bought a 21 year old who needed to continue playing and to develop as all young players do and then we played him only eight times, provided little consistency in terms of management, and farmed him off to other clubs.
Absolutely no one is going to develop and show their potential like that and we probably let him down as a club more than he ever had a chance to let us down.
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I don’t actually remember ever actually watching him play for us...how many games (or minutes) did he play for us in all the years that he’s been with us? He clearly wasn’t good enough to be excluded by so many managers. A bad signing but that’s not his fault and wish him all the best with his career.
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If anyone deserves criticism it's Roberto Di Matteo. From the lad's point of view someone was showing enough faith in him to warrant a £5m transfer, he would have been getting a big jump in pay and moving to a much bigger club. He's hardly going to have said no. Unfortunately Di Matteo and Steve Clarke's faith was misplaced and he didn't have the talent to live up to the potential they thought he had.
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I honestly don't think we can judge the guy. We bought a 21 year old who needed to continue playing and to develop as all young players do and then we played him only eight times, provided little consistency in terms of management, and farmed him off to other clubs.
Absolutely no one is going to develop and show their potential like that and we probably let him down as a club more than he ever had a chance to let us down.
This pretty much sums up my thoughts. It's not really fair to level criticisms on how good he was when we brought him for his potential then did absolutely nothing to develop it. We overpaid for him, but that's hardly his fault.
Good luck to the lad, anyway. Hope the move to Belgium works out for him.
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If anyone deserves criticism it's Roberto Di Matteo. From the lad's point of view someone was showing enough faith in him to warrant a £5m transfer, he would have been getting a big jump in pay and moving to a much bigger club. He's hardly going to have said no. Unfortunately Di Matteo and Steve Clarke's faith was misplaced and he didn't have the talent to live up to the potential they thought he had.
I do remember the reaction of the Reading fans at the time though who regretted him leaving their club and were convinced he'd do very well with Villa. It seems a bit strange for them to think that if he was such a dead loss.
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It's always a big risk to bring in such a raw talent. We've seen so many kids over the years who promised a lot but delivered little. It's management who have to assess whether, in this case, the player is worth the £5m. At the time we had a poor management team who didn't have the ability to get such decisions right. The current set-up are far more worthy of trust to get these decisions right.
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I think his main problem is his attitude. Rumours of having a bad one whilst here, and then when his season-long loan was cut short by MK, all their fans said the same thing too.
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I honestly don't think we can judge the guy. We bought a 21 year old who needed to continue playing and to develop as all young players do and then we played him only eight times, provided little consistency in terms of management, and farmed him off to other clubs.
Absolutely no one is going to develop and show their potential like that and we probably let him down as a club more than he ever had a chance to let us down.
This pretty much sums up my thoughts. It's not really fair to level criticisms on how good he was when we brought him for his potential then did absolutely nothing to develop it. We overpaid for him, but that's hardly his fault.
Good luck to the lad, anyway. Hope the move to Belgium works out for him.
I agree, I think he could've been a decent player from what I saw but when RDM went we needed a manager like Smith to come in if we were going to nurture players like him, by going shit or bust we effectively cut our loses on almost anyone under about 22-23 who wasn't already established in the first team, the really odd bit of that is that he signed a couple of the people that he then pretty much ignored and who have now moved on (in Bedeau and Bree).
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I honestly don't think we can judge the guy. We bought a 21 year old who needed to continue playing and to develop as all young players do and then we played him only eight times, provided little consistency in terms of management, and farmed him off to other clubs.
Absolutely no one is going to develop and show their potential like that and we probably let him down as a club more than he ever had a chance to let us down.
This pretty much sums up my thoughts. It's not really fair to level criticisms on how good he was when we brought him for his potential then did absolutely nothing to develop it. We overpaid for him, but that's hardly his fault.
Good luck to the lad, anyway. Hope the move to Belgium works out for him.
I agree, I think he could've been a decent player from what I saw but when RDM went we needed a manager like Smith to come in if we were going to nurture players like him, by going shit or bust we effectively cut our loses on almost anyone under about 22-23 who wasn't already established in the first team, the really odd bit of that is that he signed a couple of the people that he then pretty much ignored and who have now moved on (in Bedeau and Bree).
Bedeau was a Bruce buy, wasn't he?
Same point applies, though.
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So was Bree wasn't he? Came around the same time as Hourihane.
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I honestly don't think we can judge the guy. We bought a 21 year old who needed to continue playing and to develop as all young players do and then we played him only eight times, provided little consistency in terms of management, and farmed him off to other clubs.
Absolutely no one is going to develop and show their potential like that and we probably let him down as a club more than he ever had a chance to let us down.
This pretty much sums up my thoughts. It's not really fair to level criticisms on how good he was when we brought him for his potential then did absolutely nothing to develop it. We overpaid for him, but that's hardly his fault.
Good luck to the lad, anyway. Hope the move to Belgium works out for him.
I agree, I think he could've been a decent player from what I saw but when RDM went we needed a manager like Smith to come in if we were going to nurture players like him, by going shit or bust we effectively cut our loses on almost anyone under about 22-23 who wasn't already established in the first team, the really odd bit of that is that he signed a couple of the people that he then pretty much ignored and who have now moved on (in Bedeau and Bree).
Bedeau was a Bruce buy, wasn't he?
Same point applies, though.
Yep, as I said, he signed Bree and Bedeau and then did nothing to help them achieve their potential, just left them to it in the hope that they might be useful to him later.
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I honestly don't think we can judge the guy. We bought a 21 year old who needed to continue playing and to develop as all young players do and then we played him only eight times, provided little consistency in terms of management, and farmed him off to other clubs.
Absolutely no one is going to develop and show their potential like that and we probably let him down as a club more than he ever had a chance to let us down.
This pretty much sums up my thoughts. It's not really fair to level criticisms on how good he was when we brought him for his potential then did absolutely nothing to develop it. We overpaid for him, but that's hardly his fault.
Good luck to the lad, anyway. Hope the move to Belgium works out for him.
I agree, I think he could've been a decent player from what I saw but when RDM went we needed a manager like Smith to come in if we were going to nurture players like him, by going shit or bust we effectively cut our loses on almost anyone under about 22-23 who wasn't already established in the first team, the really odd bit of that is that he signed a couple of the people that he then pretty much ignored and who have now moved on (in Bedeau and Bree).
Bedeau was a Bruce buy, wasn't he?
Same point applies, though.
Yep, as I said, he signed Bree and Bedeau and then did nothing to help them achieve their potential, just left them to it in the hope that they might be useful to him later.
That's the championship for ya.
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His agent must be very persuasive and Tish must be very keen to move on:
Waasland-Beveren are bottom of the Belgian Pro League and are currently managerless
They've had 8 managers since May 2014, the most recent one got the chop last week.
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I wonder did we have to pay him off. The Belgian club would hardly afford what he's been earning here.
I think Steve Clarke was in Bobby Di Matteo's ear on signing Tish having coached him at Reading.