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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Villa Lew on June 15, 2016, 03:22:34 PM
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According to Sky Sports, Bournemouth have accepted our £3m bid for Tommy Elphick.
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Fingers-crossed, the first of a number of new arrivals. The fact that fans of Bournemouth, who pissed our division when they were here, seem gutted about his seemingly-imminent departure suggests that he could be an excellent signing.
The team needs leaders and hopefully he'll fit the bill.
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Excellent news if true, glad to see a management structure capable of identifying and (fingers crossed) acquiring targets.
Hopefully his signing will prove to be a Boon.
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Did i see an article saying he will be coming in as captain?
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The scoop was broken by me, I've heard Messi and Ronaldo next, his value has dropped after yesterday so probably £30m plus add ons
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Is he any good?
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Tommy's pre game ritual. Coming to the Holte End in August
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Whenever I hear his name I think of the Elephant Man. The combination of Elephant and Merrick does it I think.
"I am not an animal, I am the captain of the shiiide".
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Hope he's as good as the last centre half we got from Bournemouth
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Pity we can't get Callum Wilson from Bournemouth as well.
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Whenever I hear his name I think of the Elephant Man. The combination of Elephant and Merrick does it I think.
Funny that as it makes me think of Michael Elphick and for that reason this signing would be a Boon.
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Right or left side central defender ?
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Looks like we are signing a mentalist - welcome :)
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Looks like we are signing a mentalist - welcome :)
see above ;)
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Looks like we are signing a mentalist - welcome :)
Love him already.
see above ;)
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Whenever I hear his name I think of the Elephant Man. The combination of Elephant and Merrick does it I think.
Funny that as it makes me think of Michael Elphick and for that reason this signing would be a Boon.
This thread is full of plagarists...
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Is he any good?
Good enough for the championship and leadership qualities. Got married last week.
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Super super Tom
Super super Tom
Super super Tom
super Tommy Elphick
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I think that YouTube clip has already given us his song.
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Is he any good?
Good enough for the championship and leadership qualities. Got married last week.
Need to do better, Eastie would know the name of his wife and where they went on honeymoon.
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I'll preface this by saying I've never seen him play I don't think, but I hope we're looking at his playing ability as well as his apparent excellent character. The latter is important, especially in our squad, but being a good enough player to significantly contribute to our promotion is the most important thing. I remember when we were signing the likes of Lowton and Westwood from the lower leagues we were saying how they'd be hungry and have the right character, but ultimately they weren't good enough players. I realise this situation is different in that he'd be dropping a league to join us, but I still thinks it's relevant.
This is by no a criticism, as I'm sure he's good, but it just came to mind.
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I'll preface this by saying I've never seen him play I don't think, but I hope we're looking at his playing ability as well as his apparent excellent character. The latter is important, especially in our squad, but being a good enough player to significantly contribute to our promotion is the most important thing. I remember when we were signing the likes of Lowton and Westwood from the lower leagues we were saying how they'd be hungry and have the right character, but ultimately they weren't good enough players. I realise this situation is different in that he'd be dropping a league to join us, but I still thinks it's relevant.
This is by no a criticism, as I'm sure he's good, but it just came to mind.
Good point, Paul. We're shopping for a very different type of player this year. Character and experience could be so important. Add some flair and a 25 goal striker and we could bounce back. That's why I look at our squad and wonder how many we can keep. Very few.
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So this guy is a leader and a captain by all accounts, with experience of promotion from that league. More players in that mould please
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Here he explains his pre match ritual. It appears Tommy is a superstitious young man.
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Looks like we are signing a mentalist - welcome :)
Did you watch some of the following videos? He come across really well and the clips suggest he is a bit of a talisman.
I also noted that Bournemouth have a sports physiologist, does anyone know whether we have reached the 'future' yet or is it still considered witchcraft?
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He likes Grealish:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ck_ehrzXEAAByBp.jpg)
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Well he was good in Boon.
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Spoke to a Bournemouth fan who said he was said to see him going. That in itself is a bit of a novelty for us.
Said he was unsure if he is up to Premier League class but didn't really get the chance to show it he could.
Not over big or fast, but has a knack for being in the right place at the right time. Good organiser and a big character in the dressing room, with knowledge of how to win that league. Demands high standards from his team mates.
A genuine leader for once! It might be the making of the likes of Clark to partner somebody given Clark's biggest let down is a lack of concentration.
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Leeds interested apparently. If we lose him to them it'll be a sickener.
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No chance if he's going to be first choice.
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Sounds like a modern day Sean Teale.
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Would not the most exciting of signings maybe, but then again it's a sensible signing if it happens. Knows the Championship and has leadership skills.
Would be a positive and very solid acquisition if we pull it off.
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He likes Grealish:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ck_ehrzXEAAByBp.jpg)
And in a way he's right for a player with a lot to prove. What Jack needs is proper leaders around him so that he can unlock the potential we all know he has. Following the likes of Gabby and Richards hasn't helped him at all.
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Don't know much about him. 3mill sounds a pretty good price. Was thinking he might be a good ball player coming Bournemouth, but then maybe not if their calling him the next Teale ;)
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Don't know much about him. 3mill sounds a pretty good price. Was thinking he might be a good ball player coming Bournemouth, but then maybe not if their calling him the next Teale ;)
Whatever we are buying him for, it isn't his ball skills. He is slow and immobile. He is not the next Shaun Teale either.
It's easy enough to find examples. He got nowhere near Gestede for the goal on the opening day of last season and in the return game Ayew turned him inside out just by shuffling the ball to one side when he score out goal in the return game.
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Don't know much about him. 3mill sounds a pretty good price. Was thinking he might be a good ball player coming Bournemouth, but then maybe not if their calling him the next Teale ;)
Whatever we are buying him for, it isn't his ball skills. He is slow and immobile. He is not the next Shaun Teale either.
It's easy enough to find examples. He got nowhere near Gestede for the goal on the opening day of last season and in the return game Ayew turned him inside out just by shuffling the ball to one side when he score out goal in the return game.
Probably why Bournemouth are selling him to us. For the time being I will give him the benefit of the doubt and pray he works out for us.
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Bournemouth fans rate him. Takes all sorts I'd rather wait and see
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Would not the most exciting of signings maybe, but then again it's a sensible signing if it happens. Knows the Championship and has leadership skills.
Would be a positive and very solid acquisition if we pull it off.
Agree. Would be a decent start. Is he right footed or left footed though?
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Would not the most exciting of signings maybe, but then again it's a sensible signing if it happens. Knows the Championship and has leadership skills.
Would be a positive and very solid acquisition if we pull it off.
Agree. Would be a decent start. Is he right footed or left footed though?
Come on. Leave the sectarian stuff alone.
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Leeds interested apparently. If we lose him to them it'll be a sickener.
I wouldn't be worried at all. We're now the big fish in this league so if we're in for a player then unless it's a premmove (and maybe Newcastle) to compete against, then we should be firm favourites to obtain the signature
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Just posted on the Okore thread - Elphick is right footed according to Transfer Markt (http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/tommy-elphick/profil/spieler/37152)
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Just posted on the Okore thread - Elphick is right footed according to Transfer Markt (http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/tommy-elphick/profil/spieler/37152)
Some centre backs can be equally at home on the opposite side. There are a few teams that have two right footers. It just depends if you are comfortable there and not totally one-footed. We seem to have had a succession of CB's that are totally one-footed and look so out of place on the opposite side.
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Leeds interested apparently. If we lose him to them it'll be a sickener.
I wouldn't be worried at all. We're now the big fish in this league so if we're in for a player then unless it's a premmove (and maybe Newcastle) to compete against, then we should be firm favourites to obtain the signature
Could be a bit of negotiation tactics from his agent.
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Leeds interested apparently. If we lose him to them it'll be a sickener.
I wouldn't be worried at all. We're now the big fish in this league so if we're in for a player then unless it's a premmove (and maybe Newcastle) to compete against, then we should be firm favourites to obtain the signature
Could be a bit of negotiation tactics from his agent.
Stepping down from a bit part season for Bournemouth, captain or not he's hardly hot property or anything to get overly excited about one way or other. If he comes I hope he does well, but I won't be pulling my hair out if he sees himself elsewhere.
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No, but it sends the wrong signals if players still turn us down in favour of the likes of Leeds. I know nothing of him but for him to possibly come in so soon after the takeover is sanctioned means we've either scouted him before, or Clarke or A N other, have been doing their homework early.
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Leeds interested apparently. If we lose him to them it'll be a sickener.
I wouldn't be worried at all. We're now the big fish in this league so if we're in for a player then unless it's a premmove (and maybe Newcastle) to compete against, then we should be firm favourites to obtain the signature
Could be a bit of negotiation tactics from his agent.
Stepping down from a bit part season for Bournemouth, captain or not he's hardly hot property or anything to get overly excited about one way or other. If he comes I hope he does well, but I won't be pulling my hair out if he sees himself elsewhere.
What do you mean 'bit part season' with Bournemouth? He's captained them to two promotions so you could say he's ideal for what we need.
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He's proven to be a leader of a side that in many ways have defied the odds in getting into the PL. He may not be the best CB we'll ever see but what we need as much as talent is good people and leaders. Which is also why I want Stan back at the club in some capacity.
We need to shed the wankers who have shown no leadership at all and get those players who were affected by that believing again that playing for Aston Villa is something they want to do. That joining us actually was a good idea. As much as many of our players let themselves down last season I am convinced a number of them were really affected by the nonsense around them. There's enough talent in this squad to form a decent base and we need to net out by the end of the window with solid additions that will quickly change the entire dynamic of the environment of the playing side of the club.
No more distractions, no more bomb squads, no more tweets and players making complete and utter wankers of themselves. A cohesive unit with only one goal in mind.
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Leeds interested apparently. If we lose him to them it'll be a sickener.
I wouldn't be worried at all. We're now the big fish in this league so if we're in for a player then unless it's a premmove (and maybe Newcastle) to compete against, then we should be firm favourites to obtain the signature
Could be a bit of negotiation tactics from his agent.
Stepping down from a bit part season for Bournemouth, captain or not he's hardly hot property or anything to get overly excited about one way or other. If he comes I hope he does well, but I won't be pulling my hair out if he sees himself elsewhere.
What do you mean 'bit part season' with Bournemouth? He's captained them to two promotions so you could say he's ideal for what we need.
I mean he didn't play more than a bit part last season. Obviously this is partly due to injury, but equally he is obviously surplus to their requirements going forward. I'm hopeful he will be a decent player for us but it's not the sort of signing I'd lose sleep over if it fell out of bed.
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Leeds interested apparently. If we lose him to them it'll be a sickener.
I wouldn't be worried at all. We're now the big fish in this league so if we're in for a player then unless it's a premmove (and maybe Newcastle) to compete against, then we should be firm favourites to obtain the signature
Could be a bit of negotiation tactics from his agent.
Stepping down from a bit part season for Bournemouth, captain or not he's hardly hot property or anything to get overly excited about one way or other. If he comes I hope he does well, but I won't be pulling my hair out if he sees himself elsewhere.
What do you mean 'bit part season' with Bournemouth? He's captained them to two promotions so you could say he's ideal for what we need.
I mean he didn't play more than a bit part last season. Obviously this is partly due to injury, but equally he is obviously surplus to their requirements going forward. I'm hopeful he will be a decent player for us but it's not the sort of signing I'd lose sleep over if it fell out of bed.
A perfect signing for where we're at now. I don't think there'll be any players we could get we'd lose sleep over if a deal fell through at the last minute.
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I think it's been said somewhere on either this or the transfer thread, one of SGT's first (if not the first) signings was Steve Sims, which we all could not believe at the time and in the internet age this site would have gone into meltdown. he was just what we needed for where we were at the time, and I think Elphick is similar in that respect. Happy with this.
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I think it's been said somewhere on either this or the transfer thread, one of SGT's first (if not the first) signings was Steve Sims, which we all could not believe at the time and in the internet age this site would have gone into meltdown. he was just what we needed for where we were at the time, and I think Elphick is similar in that respect. Happy with this.
Steve Sims only played half a season for us. Allan Evans and Martin Keown were really the first choice picks. I can't remember why Allan Evans missed the first half of the season, whether it was injury or GT had some issue with him.
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Its a positive move I welcome.
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After our last relegation, one of the first signings SGT made was Steve Sims. I doubt he's anywhere near the Top Forty central halves I've seen playing in the claret-and-blue, but his leadership, experience and no-nonsense approach was part of what was necessary in getting us back. If Tommy proves to be the 2016 equivalent I'll have no quibbles.
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Any more news on this? What's the hold up?
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Any more news on this? What's the hold up?
Leeds threw their hat in
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Any more news on this? What's the hold up?
Leeds threw their hat in
im amazed they can afford a hat
more like a cloth cap that a whippet has pissed on
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He's a classic OCD type, so I can respect the pregame ritual and that he can openly talk about it.
If he's the player Bournemouth fans claim him to be both on and off the field, then he's exactly the type of signing the club should be making right now.
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Our first Tommy since..?
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Johnson?
Unless you're using Thomas then it's Hitzlsperger
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Sorensen
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What's his position?
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He is stuck on the M25 near Clackett Lane.
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He's gone the wrong way if he's on the M25!
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He has been on a post heading holiday in Kent.
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Quite a few reports Leeds are trying to fuck it up. Be disappointed if it doesn't go through
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Tommy Craig ( I'm old )
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Quite a few reports Leeds are trying to fuck it up. Be disappointed if it doesn't go through
And the choice between Villa and Leeds?
No brainer.
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Quite a few reports Leeds are trying to fuck it up. Be disappointed if it doesn't go through
And the choice between Villa and Leeds?
No brainer.
Depends on wages and ambition
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He'd be a big fish in a small pond for Leeds, but never go anywhere. At least we are ambitious. I think it might already be done anyway.
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If it depends on wages and ambition then he will come to us.
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These continued reports are actually just rehash stories on your click bait transfer gossip sites.
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Now Leeds are a crumbling club. Mad cap chairman, revolving door of managers, dated ground, average training facilities. They look very much like a 90's club and time has stood still there.
At least with us it's new owner, new manager, new horizons hopefully. Still have one of the best grounds in the land and great training facilities.
We are head and shoulders above Leeds, it's no contest.
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Any more news on this? What's the hold up?
Tommy and his new wife are on their honeymoon in Italy. Westy and Frankie are in the Maldives. Scott and Helen are in Cape Verde and as we know, Brad and Carlos are in the Copa America.
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Depends on more than that though. He's 29 so the next move is an important stage of his career. Does he have kids to throw into the mix? He could see us as the best move because we're the bigger club but if we go up will we still want him? He'll have upped sticks from Bournemouth where he - and his family if he's not single- are settled and potentially coming to Birmingham for a year and then he may think he'll be stuck in the reserves the season after if we go up or replaced if not. Then he'll have to assess whether moving on again in his 30s is good for him and his family. It's not just about whose the biggest club in the Championship when you're in your 30s. It's a decision that will take time.
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Any more news on this? What's the hold up?
Tommy and his new wife are on their honeymoon in Italy. Westy and Frankie are in the Maldives. Scott and Helen are in Cape Verde and as we know, Brad and Carlos are in the Copa America.
Eastie is that you? Are you back?
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He is stuck on the M25 near Clackett Lane.
He's now stuck at Chiswick Roundabout.
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He's on honeymoon isn't he? Can't imagine anything will happen until he comes back.
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He is stuck on the M25 near Clackett Lane.
Can't you be serious for one minute Brian?😊
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So once again defender? Midfielder? Attacker?
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So once again defender? Midfielder? Attacker
Central Defender and Club Captain at Bournemouth.
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Poor guy at a standstill on the hanger lane gyratory.
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So once again defender? Midfielder? Attacker?
Here you go (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=what+position+does+Tommy+Elphick+play)
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He is stuck on the M25 near Clackett Lane.
He's now stuck at Chiswick Roundabout.
Roger!
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What's his position?
he's for brexit.
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Any more news on this? What's the hold up?
Tommy and his new wife are on their honeymoon in Italy. Westy and Frankie are in the Maldives. Scott and Helen are in Cape Verde and as we know, Brad and Carlos are in the Copa America.
Thanks, Eastie.
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So once again defender? Midfielder? Attacker?
Here you go (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=what+position+does+Tommy+Elphick+play)
;) excellent
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http://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/sport/cherries/clubnews/14566613.AFC_Bournemouth__Elphick_understood_to_have_cut_short_honeymoon_for_Villa_medical/
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He's on honeymoon isn't he? Can't imagine anything will happen until he comes back.
Coming home early , allegedly.........Godzvilla!
AFC Bournemouth: Elphick understood to have cut short honeymoon for Villa medical
CHERRIES star Tommy Elphick’s proposed move to Aston Villa is expected to be completed early next week.
Elphick is understood to have cut short his honeymoon in Italy to return to England to undergo a medical at Villa Park.
The 28-year-old defender was given permission to speak to Villa after Cherries had accepted a bid, believed to have been in excess of £3million.
Although Cherries boss Eddie Howe offered Elphick an extension to his existing deal at Vitality Stadium, it is thought the length of the new contract was a sticking point for the player.
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Good move to get a club captain in first. He can learn about the club and help welcome and acclimatise new players as they come in.
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http://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/sport/cherries/clubnews/14566613.AFC_Bournemouth__Elphick_understood_to_have_cut_short_honeymoon_for_Villa_medical/
Did you read the comments section?
Has there ever been a series of comments on the Internet that have been universally nice and positive?
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They're a bit different to Norwich fans aren't they.
Fair play to them, they seem to have a bit of class.
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Double post.
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http://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/sport/cherries/clubnews/14566613.AFC_Bournemouth__Elphick_understood_to_have_cut_short_honeymoon_for_Villa_medical/
Did you read the comments section?
Has there ever been a series of comments on the Internet that have been universally nice and positive?
He certainly seems popular on the south coast.
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Not often the prospective signing of a Championship defender has made more ever more certain of promotion.
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Nice bunch of people A
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If he is cutting short his honeymoon - he must be keen to join us.
Or they have run out of KY jelly.
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and spit?
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Why do you need any of that stuff on your honeymoon?
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Why do you need any of that stuff on your honeymoon?
Pegging.
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Why do you need any of that stuff on your honeymoon?
Pegging.
Is Postma with them as well?
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Why do you need any of that stuff on your honeymoon?
Pegging.
Portnoy's Complaint gave way to Postma's Complaint.
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Why do you need any of that stuff on your honeymoon?
Pegging.
Is Postma with them as well?
Hes still hurting.
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http://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/sport/cherries/clubnews/14566613.AFC_Bournemouth__Elphick_understood_to_have_cut_short_honeymoon_for_Villa_medical/
Did you read the comments section?
Has there ever been a series of comments on the Internet that have been universally nice and positive?
He certainly seems popular on the south coast.
Hope he's as good as what they say. They seem to like us as well.
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Why do you need any of that stuff on your honeymoon?
It's for day three when you start looking at the other options at the resort.
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doesn't he have access to pornhub?
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doesn't he have access to pornhub?
Maybe his ADSL filter has dries up?
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He's passed his medical
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http://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/sport/cherries/clubnews/14566613.AFC_Bournemouth__Elphick_understood_to_have_cut_short_honeymoon_for_Villa_medical/
Did you read the comments section?
Has there ever been a series of comments on the Internet that have been universally nice and positive?
He certainly seems popular on the south coast.
Hope he's as good as what they say. They seem to like us as well.
The last player that arrived with as many plaudits from his previous supporters was Habib Beye.
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http://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/sport/cherries/clubnews/14566613.AFC_Bournemouth__Elphick_understood_to_have_cut_short_honeymoon_for_Villa_medical/
Did you read the comments section?
Has there ever been a series of comments on the Internet that have been universally nice and positive?
He certainly seems popular on the south coast.
Hope he's as good as what they say. They seem to like us as well.
The last player that arrived with as many plaudits from his previous supporters was Habib Beye.
They had a great song for him as well.
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http://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/sport/cherries/clubnews/14566613.AFC_Bournemouth__Elphick_understood_to_have_cut_short_honeymoon_for_Villa_medical/
Did you read the comments section?
Has there ever been a series of comments on the Internet that have been universally nice and positive?
He certainly seems popular on the south coast.
Hope he's as good as what they say. They seem to like us as well.
The last player that arrived with as many plaudits from his previous supporters was Habib Beye.
Now there's a sobering (frightening) thought.
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3 year deal ,3 million quid
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Welcome, Tommy - it's a done deal.
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Hopefully, the first of several clever signings. Good start to the business. Allows us to ditch any one of Baker or Lescott now too. Sharp signing from Villa.
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http://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/sport/cherries/clubnews/14566613.AFC_Bournemouth__Elphick_understood_to_have_cut_short_honeymoon_for_Villa_medical/
Did you read the comments section?
Has there ever been a series of comments on the Internet that have been universally nice and positive?
He certainly seems popular on the south coast.
Hope he's as good as what they say. They seem to like us as well.
The last player that arrived with as many plaudits from his previous supporters was Habib Beye.
Now there's a sobering (frightening) thought.
Not when you remember that the Derry MoN signing an attacking full back was never going to end well given his penchant for playing central defenders in that position.
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Happy with him. Welcome Tommy UTV!!
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Confirmed on the Bournemouth website. That's how they do things in the PL. *sigh* I'm sure ours will catch up tomorrow.
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Happy with this, has his own gif on the official twitter so it's definitely completed.
Good start to get a proper captain in early.
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Welcome Tommy sort this rabble out.
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OS:
Aston Villa Football Club is delighted to announce the signing of Tommy Elphick.
The 28-year-old defender has signed a three-year deal with the Club and joins from English Premier League side AFC Bournemouth for an undisclosed fee.
Elphick becomes manager Roberto Di Matteo’s first signing and the first player purchased since owner Dr Tony Xia bought the Club.
Manager Roberto Di Matteo said: “I'm really pleased to bring Tommy to the football Club.
“He is a fantastic player and also a fantastic character which is very important.
"He knows what is required to win promotion to the Premier League from the Championship and that experience will be invaluable.”
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Welcome Tommy! A solid defender at the back sure is a welcome addition.
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Welcome Tommy.
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Don't know a great deal about him but he obviously fancies the challenge of helping us get back up and that's the kind of player we need.
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Seem like a good signing, knows the league, club captain material. Welcome to the Revolution Tommy. UTV.
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Seems to be exactly what we need at this stage. People have said there are doubts about his footballing ability, but Bournemouth were one of the most stylish teams in the division that year so I'm sure he'll be good enough for us in the division this year.
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A shrewd first signing. Hopefully a sign that the new broom is going to soon be sweeping out some of the shit in the dressing room.
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The first player RDM has identified is the captain of a team that won promotion. A good person and a leader. I have no doubt he will be the new captain of Aston Villa.
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Are we likely to get a tv interview anytime soon?
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The first player RDM has identified is the captain of a team that won promotion. A good person and a leader. I have no doubt he will be the new captain of Aston Villa.
I notice that the OS announcement puts as much weight on his character as his footballing ability. Hopefully the first step into turning the dressing room into a zero tolerence zone for the self serving bollocks that passed for team spirit last season.
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Cut his hooneymoon short by 5 days..
"When a team like Aston Villa comes calling you have too be willing too make sacrifices such as losing 5 days of your hooneymoon"
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I have no idea who you are, but welcome Tommy!
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Fantastic commitment already. That's the sort of player I want in the team.
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Sounds like a 1950's footballer, or an Ealing Comedy star. I think he'll prove a good signing. An old school defender with a bit of fire in his belly. Good age too. Had he not got his injury he'd probably still be a bedrock in Bournemouth's defence.
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It looks a very sensible piece of business and that's why I'm wrapt with this one.
Despite being believed to be surplus to Howe's side at PL level, we'll possibly get Elphick's best years. I'm also glad the Dr is allowing his new manager to crack on really quickly with transfer dealings. No mucking about.
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We need senior pros to set the tone on the pitch and in the dressing room. Judging by the comments coming out of Bournemouth it is a very good start.
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Welcome Super Tommy Elphick.
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Captained a team to a 8.0 win once, away at some team, cant remember who ;D
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With one statement, he's already outperformed Charles nzogbia
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Was captain of a Bournemouth side that lost against essentially a managerless Aston Villa in the FA Cup at Villa Park where the home side never wins.
ELPHICK OUT!
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Has LTA found something to whinge about the signing yet?
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Welcome Tommy.
You've already shown more commitment than either Micah or Joleon ever have for us.
I'm looking forward to actually liking our players again.
The first part of the revolution.
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Has LTA found something to whinge about the signing yet?
surely we have to question his marital ability after leaving his wife in the lurch on their honeymoon ????
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Strange for me, I have watched Elphick loads when he was at Brighton. He was great for them, but that was in league one. I could not have envisaged a circumstance where I would ever have considered him a good signing for Villa.
But here we are. I think he will be just what we need, he is a championship level Martin Laursen.
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Has anyone mentioned Moneyball yet?!
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Has LTA found something to whinge about the signing yet?
It's only a matter of time Chris. It will be something like his last name having two syllables or how it should be spelt Elfick, or that he doesn't trust that Bournemouth will ever get paid real money and that the deal will collapse. Something like that.
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He has tweeted "Now for the next one 👊"
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He has tweeted "Now for the next one 👊"
I wonder what he meant by that?
I like the cut of his jib though. Think he'll be a good player for us.
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He has tweeted "Now for the next one 👊"
Next promotion.
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Welcome Tommy, you're privileged.
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He has tweeted "Now for the next one 👊"
Next promotion.
Hopefully he doesn't mean relegation...
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He has tweeted "Now for the next one 👊"
Next promotion.
Hopefully he doesn't mean relegation...
You are LTA in disguise and I claim my 5 euro.
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Good solid signing. Maybe not the most exciting, but knows that league and has a reputation as a good leader, which we've lacked badly.
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He has tweeted "Now for the next one 👊"
I wonder what he meant by that?
I like the cut of his jib though. Think he'll be a good player for us.
The tweet before it was a picture of him and the championship trophy and We did alright .....
see you soon ❤️😘🍒
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He has tweeted "Now for the next one 👊"
Well he is a newly wed, maybe he is planning his evening.....
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Welcome, Mr Elphick. I'm sure you'll put Lescott, Richards and co. to shame.
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He has tweeted "Now for the next one 👊"
I wonder what he meant by that?
I like the cut of his jib though. Think he'll be a good player for us.
The tweet before it was a picture of him and the championship trophy and We did alright .....
see you soon ❤️😘🍒
I like the sound of that!
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Welcome Tommy a very shrewd first signing.
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On paper, a shrewd signing. A good start.
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I wonder if this is a Clarke signing?
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What kind of a bloke thinks about work when he's on honeymoon?
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No he'll be much better than Clark :-)
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So do you reckon he'll get captaincy straight away?
I'm usually wary of new signings being given it, I think you have to earn it at a club but tbh given some of the leeches in our dressing room and we'll hopefully have a clear out of 6-7 of them then I think why not as that will just leave us with youngsters and a few of the foreign players.
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Welcome Tommy! Excellent signing.
Either RobErto has pronounced or it's 3 submissions and a wave from Gabby.
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So do you reckon he'll get captaincy straight away?
I'm usually wary of new signings being given it, I think you have to earn it at a club but tbh given some of the leeches in our dressing room and we'll hopefully have a clear out of 6-7 of them then I think why not as that will just leave us with youngsters and a few of the foreign players.
I think that's why he had to be the first signing and the squad will probably look very different by the start of the season.
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So do you reckon he'll get captaincy straight away?
I'm usually wary of new signings being given it, I think you have to earn it at a club but tbh given some of the leeches in our dressing room and we'll hopefully have a clear out of 6-7 of them then I think why not as that will just leave us with youngsters and a few of the foreign players.
My concerns too.
If he were to remain, I'd be seriously tempted to give it to Ayew. Actually played like he was bothered last year, with elevates him above 80% of the bilge who had the audacity to wear our colours straight away.
Not afraid to give out the bollockings either when required -and boy, were they required in 15/16.
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There's not one person of the existing squad I would give the captaincy to. So yes, I think Elphick has been brought in as club captain.
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It seems we have a player who genuinely cares about himself, his team and his profession.
After the last couple of years, we appear to have a player who 'gives a shit'
Welcome Tommy.
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So do you reckon he'll get captaincy straight away?
I'm usually wary of new signings being given it, I think you have to earn it at a club but tbh given some of the leeches in our dressing room and we'll hopefully have a clear out of 6-7 of them then I think why not as that will just leave us with youngsters and a few of the foreign players.
My concerns too.
If he were to remain, I'd be seriously tempted to give it to Ayew. Actually played like he was bothered last year, with elevates him above 80% of the bilge who had the audacity to wear our colours straight away.
Not afraid to give out the bollockings either when required -and boy, were they required in 15/16.
I think Ayew is more "lead by example" than captain material. I dont think we currently have anyone in the squad who ticks both boxes and we will probably need to give it to a new guy. The fact that Tommy is the first man through the door and also captained a championship winning team makes me think the position is his already.
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Like most on here I don't know much about Tommy but based on the comments from Bournemouth fans he is held in high regard not just for his football skills but his personality too. He sounds a good acquisition and the sort of player we need. More please!
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A proper footballer's name that. He will do well.
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Welcome to Aston Villa Football Club Tommy - I look forward to singing your name as you lead the team out for our last match in the Championship next May...
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More praise for our new signing from local media in Bournemouth. Sounds like we've got a good one here. Hopefully (said with normal Brummie optimism/pessimism)
http://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/sport/14569139.Farewell_Tommy_Elphick__Cheers__skip____it_has_been_a_blast/
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Good statement by the RDM
His focus on TE's ability as a leader, Captain and commitment to the cause I feel is a marker put down for the likes of Lescott and Richards to start looking elsewhere
And that cannot come soon enough
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First signing of the new era! Welcome Tommy!
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He has tweeted "Now for the next one 👊"
You would have thought he'd had his fill on his honeymoon. Good lad, plenty of stamina obviously. Hope he doesn't dehydrate himself.
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Welcome to Aston Villa Football Club Tommy - I look forward to singing your name as you lead the team out for our last match in the Championship next May...
"Tommy can you hear me? Can you feel me near you?"
or "What's it all about, Elphick?"
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The only thing I dont get about this one is that their fans love and rate him, the local media love and rate him highly, hes their captain, former player of the season, manager seemingly rates him and hes just hitting his prime at 28. He also seems to only really have impact injuries such as a broken foot and a chipped bone and his attitude is second to none. Why would a) he want to leave a premier league club on the rise to join a championship club and b) Why on earth would they want to let him go c) for 3m?
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The only thing I dont get about this one is that their fans love and rate him, the local media love and rate him highly, hes their captain, former player of the season, manager seemingly rates him and hes just hitting his prime at 28. He also seems to only really have impact injuries such as a broken foot and a chipped bone and his attitude is second to none. Why would a) he want to leave a premier league club on the rise to join a championship club and b) Why on earth would they want to let him go c) for 3m?
Because we're Aston Villa!!
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The only thing I dont get about this one is that their fans love and rate him, the local media love and rate him highly, hes their captain, former player of the season, manager seemingly rates him and hes just hitting his prime at 28. He also seems to only really have impact injuries such as a broken foot and a chipped bone and his attitude is second to none. Why would a) he want to leave a premier league club on the rise to join a championship club and b) Why on earth would they want to let him go c) for 3m?
What was his contract situation?
Perhaps, with the Premier League mega-dosh payment, AFC B are setting their sights much higher.
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The only thing I dont get about this one is that their fans love and rate him, the local media love and rate him highly, hes their captain, former player of the season, manager seemingly rates him and hes just hitting his prime at 28. He also seems to only really have impact injuries such as a broken foot and a chipped bone and his attitude is second to none. Why would a) he want to leave a premier league club on the rise to join a championship club and b) Why on earth would they want to let him go c) for 3m?
Well with all due respect to bournemouth, they are punching well above their weight and are absolutely nowhere near the stature of villa, even now, never mind if we actually start to fulfil our potential. The second question could be asked about any player that's sold. We're not talking about the second coming of Cannovaro here, but he's potentially perfect for what we need. As for the fee, no idea, but could be for any number of reasons, maybe he only had a year left on his contract, perhaps he signalled his desire to move and Bournemouth decided not to play hardball due to his outstanding service to them over the past few years.
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I've no idea about this player, either. But welcome aboard Tommy- hope you have a great 3 yrs with Villa.
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The only thing I dont get about this one is that their fans love and rate him, the local media love and rate him highly, hes their captain, former player of the season, manager seemingly rates him and hes just hitting his prime at 28. He also seems to only really have impact injuries such as a broken foot and a chipped bone and his attitude is second to none. Why would a) he want to leave a premier league club on the rise to join a championship club and b) Why on earth would they want to let him go c) for 3m?
Well with all due respect to bournemouth, they are punching well above their weight and are absolutely nowhere near the stature of villa, even now, never mind if we actually start to fulfil our potential. The second question could be asked about any player that's sold. We're not talking about the second coming of Cannovaro here, but he's potentially perfect for what we need. As for the fee, no idea, but could be for any number of reasons, maybe he only had a year left on his contract, perhaps he signalled his desire to move and Bournemouth decided not to play hardball due to his outstanding service to them over the past few years.
I've just done a quick check, and it appears that he signed a contract up to June 2017, which would explain the relatively low fee.
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plus he was injured for most of last season, he isn't an England international, and Bournemouth are looking to strengthen in that area. Plus, the clubs that seemed to be in the market for him suggested his level wasn't the Premier League.
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If he's half as good as the last rock solid defender we signed from Bournemouth, then we've got a good 'un.
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Welcome Tommy.
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A very good signing. Knows the Championship inside out and that will be invaluable. Have a better feeling about this signing that I did when we signed Richards.
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Lying Through Arsehole.
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Love That Assessment
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We are yet to win a game since Elphick arrived. Poor signing.
#howlowhavewesunk #yesimbored
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Not true. I road tested a scarecrow I just built by having a kick around with him this afternoon. He was Villa, I was Small Heath. He won 17-2.
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We are yet to win a game since Elphick arrived. Poor signing.
#howlowhavewesunk #yesimbored
What a load of old bollocks! Take a look at the table, we're top of the league with no goals conceded.
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1-0 Turkey
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Balls, wrong thread.
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Not true. I road tested a scarecrow I just built by having a kick around with him this afternoon. He was Villa, I was Small Heath. He won 17-2.
Did you shower in acid and bleach afterwards to get clean ?
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1-0 Turkey
Super Tommy Elphick scoring for Turkey. What a week for the boy!! Honeymoon love, signing for The Villa, scoring in the Euro's.
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Not true. I road tested a scarecrow I just built by having a kick around with him this afternoon. He was Villa, I was Small Heath. He won 17-2.
Did you shower in acid and bleach afterwards to get clean ?
#nerdattack Not recommended unless you want to cleanse your lungs with pure chlorine at the same time.
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1-0 Turkey
Who you calling Turkey, chicken knickers?
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Welcome, Tommy, to the best football club in the World!
UTV!
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Balls, wrong thread.
It's the age you are.
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Chicken knickers!!
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1-0 Turkey
Who you calling Turkey, chicken knickers?
Stop flirting because you want my nuggets!
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Well he has a few goals in him is one good thing I can say. Besides that its wait and see. Not sure if Borunemouth would be letting him go if he was that good. Hope that we hold onto Clark as I can see him being a positive influence.
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They didn't want to let him go. They offered him a new contract, but it was the length that was the sticking point.
A club like them cannot be turning down a £3 million offer on a player who is 28.
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They didn't want to let him go. They offered him a new contract, but it was the length that was the sticking point.
A club like them cannot be turning down a £3 million offer on a player who is 28.
Thanks.
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They didn't want to let him go. They offered him a new contract, but it was the length that was the sticking point.
A club like them cannot be turning down a £3 million offer on a player who is 28.
Was going into the last year of his contract as well I think.
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If he's replacing Richards or Lescott, those are certainly big shoes to fill.
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I love this bloke he's just what we've been missing.
Villa's £3m signing is planning an immediate return to the Premier League, and this is how:
Captain-in-the-making Tommy Elphick is bursting with pride as he dons his new colours.
Kitted out in Aston Villa’s smart home strip, the £3m summer signing drips with sweat as he emerges from a gruelling early-morning training session.
He certainly looks the part. But there’s a problem.
“The sooner this goes, the better,’ he says looking down at the Sky Bet Championship logo located on his sleeve.
The search for a striker
There’s a genuine sadness that Villa have dropped down into this position but also a burning desire to right the wrongs of last season.
Elphick isn’t planning on an extended stay in the second tier and throughout this interview he’s keen to relay that message.
Cutting an imposing figure, the 28-year-old is the type of player Villa have been missing.
He’s an experienced campaigner who knows how to lead a side, build momentum and maintain a winning mentality.
And so much are his recent joys that he no longer remembers what it’s like to struggle.
Nathan Baker, Tommy Elpick and Idrissa Gana training with Aston Villa in Austria
Nathan Baker, Tommy Elpick and Idrissa Gana training with Aston Villa in Austria
“For me, the last four years or so have been nothing but success,” he says.
“Leaving Bournemouth was difficult but I always wanted to play for a big club. I’m not saying Bournemouth aren’t but it was just really exciting to come here.
“Things need to change here because there was a lack of guidance last season,
“Sometimes it’s hard to stop losing but with a new manager and new owner it’s exciting times.
“Winning is a habit and with wins comes confidence and then the wins bring you together.
“I know we’ll get this group together.”
The centre-half speaks with passion and determination.
Aston Villa's Tommy Elphick in training at Bodymoor Heath
Aston Villa's Tommy Elphick in training at Bodymoor Heath
When I reflect on the woes of last season he quickly shoots me down, explaining that times are about to change.
A contract extension was offered by Bournemouth but the defender opted for a longer-term deal at Villa after he was immediately won over by Roberto Di Matteo.
The Italian had consulted Elphick’s former Brighton boss and his own old team-mate, Gus Poyet, for a character reference.
Like anyone you speak to about him, there were only good words in return.
That supporters of his formers clubs still worship him is a sign that Villa have got a genuinely good guy.
But the towering stopper isn’t interested in compliments.
Aston Villa's Tommy Elphick in training at Bodymoor Heath
Aston Villa's Tommy Elphick in training at Bodymoor Heath
“I’m not in the game to make friends,” he said.
“I’m in the game to win as many games and titles and accolades as possible.
“That’s a common goal we have all got to draw upon this season.
“We don’t want to be in the Championship, we want to be in the Premier League.
“That’s what we’ll keep striving for.
“You can’t beat winning. It’s a habit that we must get back to as soon as possible.”
Already Elphick is very much a Villa leader.
Aston Villa's Tommy Elphick and Libor Kozak in training at Bodymoor Heath
Aston Villa's Tommy Elphick and Libor Kozak in training at Bodymoor Heath
But he admits: “You can’t be a good leader without the support of the dressing room.
“And there’s plenty of good characters here.
“We’re just lacking a bit of confidence.”
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I love this bloke he's just what we've been missing.
Villa's £3m signing is planning an immediate return to the Premier League, and this is how:
Captain-in-the-making Tommy Elphick is bursting with pride as he dons his new colours.
Kitted out in Aston Villa’s smart home strip, the £3m summer signing drips with sweat as he emerges from a gruelling early-morning training session.
He certainly looks the part. But there’s a problem.
“The sooner this goes, the better,’ he says looking down at the Sky Bet Championship logo located on his sleeve.
The search for a striker
There’s a genuine sadness that Villa have dropped down into this position but also a burning desire to right the wrongs of last season.
Elphick isn’t planning on an extended stay in the second tier and throughout this interview he’s keen to relay that message.
Cutting an imposing figure, the 28-year-old is the type of player Villa have been missing.
He’s an experienced campaigner who knows how to lead a side, build momentum and maintain a winning mentality.
And so much are his recent joys that he no longer remembers what it’s like to struggle.
Nathan Baker, Tommy Elpick and Idrissa Gana training with Aston Villa in Austria
Nathan Baker, Tommy Elpick and Idrissa Gana training with Aston Villa in Austria
“For me, the last four years or so have been nothing but success,” he says.
“Leaving Bournemouth was difficult but I always wanted to play for a big club. I’m not saying Bournemouth aren’t but it was just really exciting to come here.
“Things need to change here because there was a lack of guidance last season,
“Sometimes it’s hard to stop losing but with a new manager and new owner it’s exciting times.
“Winning is a habit and with wins comes confidence and then the wins bring you together.
“I know we’ll get this group together.”
The centre-half speaks with passion and determination.
Aston Villa's Tommy Elphick in training at Bodymoor Heath
Aston Villa's Tommy Elphick in training at Bodymoor Heath
When I reflect on the woes of last season he quickly shoots me down, explaining that times are about to change.
A contract extension was offered by Bournemouth but the defender opted for a longer-term deal at Villa after he was immediately won over by Roberto Di Matteo.
The Italian had consulted Elphick’s former Brighton boss and his own old team-mate, Gus Poyet, for a character reference.
Like anyone you speak to about him, there were only good words in return.
That supporters of his formers clubs still worship him is a sign that Villa have got a genuinely good guy.
But the towering stopper isn’t interested in compliments.
Aston Villa's Tommy Elphick in training at Bodymoor Heath
Aston Villa's Tommy Elphick in training at Bodymoor Heath
“I’m not in the game to make friends,” he said.
“I’m in the game to win as many games and titles and accolades as possible.
“That’s a common goal we have all got to draw upon this season.
“We don’t want to be in the Championship, we want to be in the Premier League.
“That’s what we’ll keep striving for.
“You can’t beat winning. It’s a habit that we must get back to as soon as possible.”
Already Elphick is very much a Villa leader.
Aston Villa's Tommy Elphick and Libor Kozak in training at Bodymoor Heath
Aston Villa's Tommy Elphick and Libor Kozak in training at Bodymoor Heath
But he admits: “You can’t be a good leader without the support of the dressing room.
“And there’s plenty of good characters here.
“We’re just lacking a bit of confidence.”
Good interview. I think we need to add another character like that in the midfield area as well.
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Exactly. One of these in your team is nice. 3 or 4 and you win things.
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You can tell already he's going to go into management when he packs in playing.
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Confirmed captain for the rest of the season.
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I think he's the right choice for skipper and his press conference for todays game fills me with confidence.
RDM seems to be making some very good choices.
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He's already shown a bit of guts. Migt be our best signing so far this summer.
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Looks good. Someone who leads by example. I also have to say that Baker has looked good too and is the sort of CH (in terms of build) who will do well in this division. His time at Bristol will have helped him too (but he has to stay fit). Elphick will be good for Baker I feel. We definitely need a new right back, and Amavi back fit ASAP.
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Excellent today. Exactly what we need
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Was very good today, was unlucky even for the goal, he got his head to the clearance, it hit one of their players and then deflects off Tommy and fell nicely for Forestieri. On another day either of those deflections falls in our favour.
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The one tackle in particular was class. Reminded me a little of Martin Laursen in the way that he led.
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Have been so impressed with this guy so far. Excellent display and i think him and Baker complement each other well.
Off the field, ita ckear he gets the club and us proud be be captain.
Well done Tommy
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I think he was very good and will be a key player as this team develops. Needs better players in all the other three defensive positions though.
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I think he was very good and will be a key player as this team develops. Needs better players in all the other three defensive positions though.
True, he was doing his best to organise them all through the game to be fair to him.
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Excellent today. Exactly what we need
Says it all really.
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Thought he was very good, and he and Baker actually looked fairly solid for most of the game. Get Amavi in and the back line will be fine.
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He's a loon. Chatting away and headbutting the goal post before the game.
Good performance I felt. Good decision maker.
You're right Risso about Baker, thought he looked comfortable too.
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What we massively missed last season (and in precious years as well though not to the same degree) has been an organiser.
He might have played on with a bashed head but I was most impressed by his organising. Telling the others to step up and where to hold the line. Not being afraid to give a nudge to someone where necessary. Putting his arm round the keeper at the end.
A proper captain for the first time in a long time. He needs a midfield equivalent if we are to go up. Players who set the standard are critical if we are to go back up first time.
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Nice to see people praising Baker - thought he had a very steady game.
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Elphick looks a good buy at this level. Get another like him in Midfield.
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we need a Elphick type character in midfield now. I think the club knows this and are working to get someone in.
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Nice to see people praising Baker - thought he had a very steady game.
He compliments Elphick well and to be honest CH's of Bakers build tend to do well in this division. I think Baker and Okore are capable enough to battle out for that starting role, and perhaps someone with a bit of potential can come in to replace Lescott when he goes.
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Last couple of seasons when my 8 year old has asked me who my favourite current Villa player is, I have had to scratch my head and shrug my shoulders. Elphick is my new favourite player, just what we need.
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we need a Elphick type character in midfield now. I think the club knows this and are working to get someone in.
Absolutely, Jedinak would be perfect for that role, a big loud motivational Aussie would be good for the likes of Westwood and Gardner too.
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Nice to see people praising Baker - thought he had a very steady game.
Thought Baker was sound, he looked a lot more confident with the ball at his feet too, whipping crisp first time balls out to the full backs in the second half.
I'd like to see him play with Elphick and a couple of decent full backs, we'd be fine.
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Nice to see people praising Baker - thought he had a very steady game.
Thought Baker was sound, he looked a lot more confident with the ball at his feet too, whipping crisp first time balls out to the full backs in the second half.
I'd like to see him play with Elphick and a couple of decent full backs, we'd be fine.
Still looks like bambi on ice to me. Also, for someone of his height, he should be dominating in the air when we are defending balls coming into the area but time and again, he fails to get his head on the ball. He may improve with games and confidence but I cannot see it.
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Everything Elphick gives us is why I wanted Jedinak last summer and during the winter. Palace fans see him as a legend that dragged them up from the Championship through leadership and will, we need to get him while we have the chance.
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Everything Elphick gives us is why I wanted Jedinak last summer and during the winter. Palace fans see him as a legend that dragged them up from the Championship through leadership and will, we need to get him while we have the chance.
We need someone like him as we are desperately weak through the middle.
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we need a Elphick type character in midfield now. I think the club knows this and are working to get someone in.
Jedinak would be perfect for that.
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we need a Elphick type character in midfield now. I think the club knows this and are working to get someone in.
Jedinak would be perfect for that.
Yep, although we'd need someone who can get up and down the pitch to support the attack next to him - hopefully that will be Tshibola soon enough.
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It's early days yet, but Elphick could easily become a Villa legend. We simply need more players like him that will put their neck on the line for the team and get stuck in.
Don't know much at all about Jedinak, but sounds like he could be one of the missing pieces to the midfield jigsaw.
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Elphick was immense other day and despite his misplaced header -difficult to deal with the keeper slice kick - he showed real aptitude. Gets his head in where it hurts and screams not only at players but the fans. Felt he should have scored from corner and lacks a bit of pace but makes up with leadership , passion and sensible play. He's going to be a great assest amd really pleased hes been made captain .
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we need a Elphick type character in midfield now. I think the club knows this and are working to get someone in.
Jedinak would be perfect for that.
Yep, although we'd need someone who can get up and down the pitch to support the attack next to him - hopefully that will be Tshibola soon enough.
Probably Ravel will do that as certainly seems strong links.
Where we constantly fall down in central midfield is we have no structure to it. Any good side will have a proper DM, then a box-to-box continuity player who can track runs and get forward and then a number 10 who can link with forwards and out wide and score some goals himself.
Take Sunday playing Westwood and Gardner. It's a waste of time as both are pretty slow and all they want to do is sit infront of back 4 and play little 5 yard passes sideways so it takes an age to get to the front players.
Best midfield in recent times we had was Westwood, Delph and Cleverley under Sherwood but even that had it's limitations as Cleverley was only one who looked like scoring.
Something like Tshibola, Jedinak and Ravel would be much better in terms of balance and quality. Could even play Morrison in middle two and maybe try Grealish or Ayew as number 10.
Edit: Until we sort central midfield out we won't be challenging for auto promotion in my view as we won't win enough games imo.
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I thought Elphick did OK, pretty solid when the ball was there to be won. Think he might struggle against fast players running at him down the channels, just hope there aren't too many players capable of exposing him. Can't fault his attitude mind.
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I thought Elphick did OK, pretty solid when the ball was there to be won. Think he might struggle against fast players running at him down the channels, just hope there aren't too many players capable of exposing him. Can't fault his attitude mind.
That's my concern with him and Baker as a combo...fine against the physical and hooftball teams but yeah pace will be an issue.
Okore will probably come in for those games.
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I think what he lacks in pace he makes up for with heart and leadership. I think he could turn out to be an extremely shrewd buy.
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He reminds me of Shaun Teale, if we could get the equivalent of Paul Mcgrath playing alongside him we're in business!
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Imagine. Micah Richards with the right attitude alongside him
After 90 months minutes in a villa shirt I can't believe Bournemouth let him go
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He is already my favourite player.
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Imagine. Micah Richards with the right attitude alongside him
After 90 months minutes in a villa shirt I can't believe Bournemouth let him go
I prefer to imagine Richards clutching his p45.
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He certainly looks like a warrior on the pitch. Something we've been lacking for a long, long time.
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He is already my favourite player.
The challenge with the clash of heads was enough for me. I've spent too long watching balls like one delivered end up in our net whilst our flat footed defenders watch on. He spotted it a mile off and didn't think twice, he threw himself at it.
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He is already my favourite player.
The challenge with the clash of heads was enough for me. I've spent too long watching balls like one delivered end up in our net whilst our flat footed defenders watch on. He spotted it a mile off and didn't think twice, he threw himself at it.
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Imagine. Micah Richards with the right attitude alongside him
Tried but struggling to imagine that happening.
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He is already my favourite player.
The challenge with the clash of heads was enough for me. I've spent too long watching balls like one delivered end up in our net whilst our flat footed defenders watch on. He spotted it a mile off and didn't think twice, he threw himself at it.
Add in the fact he really doesn't seem "hinged" and he has cult hero written all over him.
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Think he's going to be everyone favourite player before the end of the month if he plays like he did on Sunday, true leader, true grit, proper captain at last
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Imagine. Micah Richards with the right attitude alongside him
After 90 months minutes in a villa shirt I can't believe Bournemouth let him go
Is that one of those oxymoron things, like Military Intelligence and Blues Trophy Cabinet?
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IMAGINE didn't say it was going to happen
We can but dream
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I missed the pre-match build up on Saturday. Did Elphick do his routine like he used to do at Bournemouth?
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I missed the pre-match build up on Saturday. Did Elphick do his routine like he used to do at Bournemouth?
Do you mean at the home end goal post?
If you do then yes
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I missed the pre-match build up on Saturday. Did Elphick do his routine like he used to do at Bournemouth?
Do you mean at the home end goal post?
If you do then yes
I'd love to know what he's muttering to himself too.
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I missed the pre-match build up on Saturday. Did Elphick do his routine like he used to do at Bournemouth?
Do you mean at the home end goal post?
If you do then yes
I'd love to know what he's muttering to himself too.
I was very near him at Sheffield Wednesday watching his routine. Trying to lip read him I'm sure he was muttering a prayer. He also looks up the heavens at the end?
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I missed the pre-match build up on Saturday. Did Elphick do his routine like he used to do at Bournemouth?
Do you mean at the home end goal post?
If you do then yes
I'd love to know what he's muttering to himself too.
I was very near him at Sheffield Wednesday watching his routine. Trying to lip read him I'm sure he was muttering a prayer. He also looks up the heavens at the end?
I was there too and I thought he was muttering Hotel California backwards but that may be skcollob
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He sticks his right foot in, his right foot out
He'll beat you in the air and he'll beat you on the ground
He's our captain and he puts himself about
And he'll f*cking knock you out
Ooohhh Tommy Elphick
Ooohhh Tommy Elphick
Ooohhh Tommy Elphick
He'll leave you on your arse arse arse!
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He sticks his right foot in, his right foot out
He'll beat you in the air and he'll beat you on the ground
He's our captain and he puts himself about
And he'll f*cking knock you out
Ooohhh Tommy Elphick
Ooohhh Tommy Elphick
Ooohhh Tommy Elphick
He'll leave you on your arse arse arse!
Taxi! :)
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I missed the pre-match build up on Saturday. Did Elphick do his routine like he used to do at Bournemouth?
Do you mean at the home end goal post?
If you do then yes
I'd love to know what he's muttering to himself too.
At Derby, from the TV images he appeared to be saying:
"Richards? WTF is he doing on the bench?"
"If Bacuna gets injured or pushed up to midfield you bring on Hutton."
"If Chester gets injured, you bring on Baker."
If I get injured, you move Chester over to the right and bring on Baker."
So Roberto under what fcuking circumstances would you ever bring on that waster,Richards?"
The man has a point.
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I missed the pre-match build up on Saturday. Did Elphick do his routine like he used to do at Bournemouth?
Do you mean at the home end goal post?
If you do then yes
I'd love to know what he's muttering to himself too.
At Derby, from the TV images he appeared to be saying:
"Richards? WTF is he doing on the bench?"
"If Bacuna gets injured or pushed up to midfield you bring on Hutton."
"If Chester gets injured, you bring on Baker."
If I get injured, you move Chester over to the right and bring on Baker."
So Roberto under what fcuking circumstances would you ever bring on that waster,Richards?"
The man has a point.
Lol.
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I missed the pre-match build up on Saturday. Did Elphick do his routine like he used to do at Bournemouth?
Do you mean at the home end goal post?
If you do then yes
I'd love to know what he's muttering to himself too.
At Derby, from the TV images he appeared to be saying:
"Richards? WTF is he doing on the bench?"
"If Bacuna gets injured or pushed up to midfield you bring on Hutton."
"If Chester gets injured, you bring on Baker."
If I get injured, you move Chester over to the right and bring on Baker."
So Roberto under what fcuking circumstances would you ever bring on that waster,Richards?"
The man has a point.
My wife has done a course in lip reading, and confirm that he also says:
"and if anything happens to one of the forwards, don't, under any circumstances, bring on Kozak. He's got all the athleticism of Thora Hird."
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I missed the pre-match build up on Saturday. Did Elphick do his routine like he used to do at Bournemouth?
Do you mean at the home end goal post?
If you do then yes
I'd love to know what he's muttering to himself too.
At Derby, from the TV images he appeared to be saying:
"Richards? WTF is he doing on the bench?"
"If Bacuna gets injured or pushed up to midfield you bring on Hutton."
"If Chester gets injured, you bring on Baker."
If I get injured, you move Chester over to the right and bring on Baker."
So Roberto under what fcuking circumstances would you ever bring on that waster,Richards?"
The man has a point.
Good work that man Rudy.
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I think he is shit....there I have said it.
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*Eastenders music*
He's a bit 'Championship' sometimes. I'm hoping for better chemistry and understanding across our defence, if not the whole side.
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He's solid in the air, we rarely look like conceding from headers now and corners which is at least a plus.
Can see why Bournmouth thought he wouldn't cut it in the prem, any sort of pace or a quick striker running at him and he can't handle it, Hogan left him for dead in the first half.
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Very average, lacks pace and doesn't shut space down.
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I think any criticism of our defence needs to be weighed against the fact that we barely have a midfield, and haven't had for years. You could put Baresi, Cannavaro, God and Cafu in our back four and they'd concede goals because of the total lack of protection they get. It's the midfield. It's always the midfield.
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Reminds me of Steve Sims. Adequate is the correct word.
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Reminds me of Steve Sims. Adequate is the correct word.
Yes, now you've said it, me too. Lacks a lot in terms of talent but is in the team for his character, We are still conceding far too many goals though.
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8 in 8 isn't that bad. Especially compared to the ratio we've shipped them in the past few seasons.
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Back to back wins and we will be top ten, if we managed to string out 3/4 wins in a row we would be in the playoff places. It's all about small margins in this league but we need to start and kill teams off and get 3 points or we will be adrift of the top 2 before we know it.
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8 in 8 isn't that bad. Especially compared to the ratio we've shipped them in the past few seasons.
I haven't seen us a play a good side yet and I haven't seen a forward I'd like us to sign, I think we haven't looked as solid at the back as I'd expect.
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Back to back wins and we will be top ten, if we managed to string out 3/4 wins in a row we would be in the playoff places. It's all about small margins in this league but we need to start and kill teams off and get 3 points or we will be adrift of the top 2 before we know it.
arent we already adrift of the top two? 11 and 9 points respectively.
we need a minimum of two wins from our next 3
rdm and his sidekicks need to wise up and quickly
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Agree with this though they are almost strangers to each other, you did see some team spirit come through when we were under pressure at the end.
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8 in 8 isn't that bad. Especially compared to the ratio we've shipped them in the past few seasons.
I haven't seen us a play a good side yet and I haven't seen a forward I'd like us to sign, I think we haven't looked as solid at the back as I'd expect.
I would like to see Ryan Woods from Brentford here.
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I'd like to see him install some calmness in the defence, rather than jumping up and down when things go against him.
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elphick worries the bejesus out of me. He lacks pace, positionally he gets caught two or three times a game, his judgment is suspect as is his picking up of opposition players.
Hopefully he'll improve but Chester is covering up a lot of his errors at the moment.
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I thought he was a model of calm to begin with
He's made several massive errors in the last couple of games though. Worrying.
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I thought he was a model of calm to begin with
He's made several massive errors in the last couple of games though. Worrying.
It's a worryingly similar path trodden by new Villa signings.
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8 in 8 isn't that bad. Especially compared to the ratio we've shipped them in the past few seasons.
I haven't seen us a play a good side yet and I haven't seen a forward I'd like us to sign, I think we haven't looked as solid at the back as I'd expect.
I would like to see Ryan Woods from Brentford here.
If he's the one on Wednesday who Gestede never won a header against he's got my vote.
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Not convinced about this guy no matter how often he fist pumps
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I thought he was a model of calm to begin with
He's made several massive errors in the last couple of games though. Worrying.
move to three at the back hasnt helped, needs to be shipped off now though not half time
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Total carthorse, a year out without football has damaged him at his age it seems. Swallow our pride, if we have any left, fuck him off and pick anyone else, somehow we've managed to sign another walking clanger.
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He's crap end of.
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Total carthorse, a year out without football has damaged him at his age it seems. Swallow our pride, if we have any left, fuck him off and pick anyone else, somehow we've managed to sign another walking clanger.
We are specialists in that particular department.
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He's crap end of.
Yup
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He isn't anywhere near good enough, Clark is a better player.
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We're playing really well - I think we're a good bet to go straight back up.
This is best spliff I've had in fucking ages.
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Jedinak is no better, abysmal.
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Sounds like he was poor again. These 'leaders' aren't exactly showing a good example.
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It's a painting by numbers approach to football.
MON-esque. Need some leadership = sign a few captains.
Ignoring that both players are on the slide. All the fist pumping in the world aint gonna change that.
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I'd be dropping him for the next game.
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Was better in the 2nd half, fist half a big part of the problem was that our shape meant he was often 1on1 with Gayle and he didn't look comfortable with the difference in pace. I'm not saying he's blameless but I think rdm needs to learn from that and not play 3 centre backs agianst a lone striker again, it really played into their hands.
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Well he's a booking away from a ban so we will soon see us lineup without him. My guess is v Preston next weekend.
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He's very very average.
Make no mistake Bournemouth didn't get promoted because he was marshalling clean sheets week in week out, they actually conceded plenty the year they went up but could outscore teams.
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He's very very average.
Make no mistake Bournemouth didn't get promoted because he was marshalling clean sheets week in week out, they actually conceded plenty the year they went up but could outscore teams.
They had the second best defense in the division that season.
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He's very very average.
Make no mistake Bournemouth didn't get promoted because he was marshalling clean sheets week in week out, they actually conceded plenty the year they went up but could outscore teams.
I beg to differ. Eddie Howe was able to get the best out of his players through managerial skill and tactical nous: and Elphick was a crucial part of that team's success. I realise he's played like a drain since he came here, but he's one of a number of players who are struggling with RDM's laughable 'tactics' and 'organisation'. Maybe TE is past his best now, but I still think he can do a damned-sight better than he has done. And he sure as shit ain't the only one.
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Interesting to see how Clark looked playing under a decent manager and as part of something approximating a system.
We seem to take the freeform jazz approach to defending. The personnel changes, but the ineptitude doesn't.
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He looks dodgy because our midfield is way to open, this is also the reason Jedinak and Westwood looks shit, put an extra body in there and they'll all look more solid.
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Buy a midfield and the defence may look better
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Clark won MOtM kicking every ball that came his way into the crowd. Elphick should have dealt with the cross easily. It wasn't as difficult as he made it look. As for the Gayle chance, why fuck about there? It should have gone as he doesn't have a turn like that in his locker. Ironically, it reminded me of Clark versus Tevez.
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He's been poor, but I won't write him off yet. He has to get much better.
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Elphick and Jedinak are the finished article, they are what they are they won't improve they are to old unfortunately they will go the opposite way
We needed them to hit the ground running with experience and leadership but they are both utter cack at the moment and a waste of money
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Elphick has just turned 29. He's hardly collecting his pension.
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Elphick and Jedinak are the finished article, they are what they are they won't improve they are to old unfortunately they will go the opposite way
We needed them to hit the ground running with experience and leadership but they are both utter cack at the moment and a waste of money
We have to remember where we currently are though. Although both have had success at the level there is a reason they have spent most of their careers in the Championship. If we're expecting McGrath and Platt levels of performance from them, then I think we will be disappointed.
Edit - that said, they were both shocking today!
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He looks dodgy because our midfield is way to open, this is also the reason Jedinak and Westwood looks shit, put an extra body in there and they'll all look more solid.
Really? I think he manages "dodgy" quite well without help from anyone thank you very much.
He's shocking. I'd have taken him and not Baker off at half time. In fact I wouldn't have started him. He's an accident waiting to happen. He gets caught in possession, out of position and is outpaced regularly.
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He looks dodgy because our midfield is way to open, this is also the reason Jedinak and Westwood looks shit, put an extra body in there and they'll all look more solid.
Really? I think he manages "dodgy" quite well without help from anyone thank you very much.
He's shocking. I'd have taken him and not Baker off at half time. In fact I wouldn't have started him. He's an accident waiting to happen. He gets caught in possession, out of position and is outpaced regularly.
But yet looked very good for a promotion winning Bournemouth at this level.
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I might be wrong but he looks like a man who is feeling the weight of expectation and pressure of being a captain of a big club. Bournemouth Captain and Villa captain are simply night and day in terms of size and expectation.
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But yet looked very good for a promotion winning Bournemouth at this level.
That was two years ago and last season he did next to nothing for Bmouth. There was a reason for that.
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I might be wrong but he looks like a man who is feeling the weight of expectation and pressure of being a captain of a big club. Bournemouth Captain and Villa captain are simply night and day in terms of size and expectation.
No he is just not very good and that brings pressure if you are captain.
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But yet looked very good for a promotion winning Bournemouth at this level.
That was two years ago and last season he did next to nothing for Bmouth. There was a reason for that.
Yes he was injured for most of it wasn't he?
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But yet looked very good for a promotion winning Bournemouth at this level.
That was two years ago and last season he did next to nothing for Bmouth. There was a reason for that.
They were im the Premier League which is above his and our (current) level.
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But yet looked very good for a promotion winning Bournemouth at this level.
That was two years ago and last season he did next to nothing for Bmouth. There was a reason for that.
Being out for the best part of 6 months with an ankle injury tends to stop you doing much for the first team ;)
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Being out for the best part of 6 months with an ankle injury tends to stop you doing much for the first team ;)
Typical modern footballer :o
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He needs to forget all his daft antics and concentrate on what is front of him for 90 mins.
He has been poor no ifs and buts.
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A professional footballer whose left leg is purely for standing on. Awful and drives me crazy. If you're that limited Tommy I only want to see industrial defending from you in future.
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The formation didn't help today. A few times Elphick, Chester and Pointy were having a conflab about what they were supposed to be doing.
Fell apart first half. Didn't have much to do second.
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He's very very average.
Make no mistake Bournemouth didn't get promoted because he was marshalling clean sheets week in week out, they actually conceded plenty the year they went up but could outscore teams.
They had the second best defense in the division that season.
Bournemouth 1-2 Forest
Blackburn 3-2 Bournemouth
Bournemouth 1-3 Leeds
Derby 2-0 Bourenmouth
Bournemouth 3-2 Brighton
Bournemouth 2-2 Ipswich
Bournemouth 2-2 Millwall
Bournemouth 5-3 Cardiff
Bounemouth 1-2 Norwich
Brentford 3-1 Bournemouth
Bournemouth 4-2 SHA
Bournemouth 2-2 Sheff Weds.
All games Bournemouth conceded 2 or 3, I presume Elphick played in most of those as captain.
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And the other 30?
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Elphick played in every league game for them that season.
It's nice he did well for them, but he looks dodgy as fuck for us.
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And the other 30?
Yeah there were a few more times but tbh I lost the will to live posting Bournemouth results from 14/15 at midnight on a Saturday!
The point is they pretty much conceded 2-3 in a third of their games so it's not really a water tight defence he was marshalling.
And as we've seen so far we're not winning games when we concede 2 or 3.
I don't mind Chester that much, he's a decent player but him and Elphick are too similar, where is the pace? It's a shame Okore quickly gave up on the season with the Luton debacle as I really believe he could've been useful for us if he'd been bothered this season.
As bad as it is I really don't want to see Richards starting games so we need a more mobile CB for January.
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The formation didn't help today. A few times Elphick, Chester and Pointy were having a conflab about what they were supposed to be doing.
Fell apart first half. Didn't have much to do second.
Very right sided, as we already knew. Memo to to RDM: do not play him in formations where we he might have to make interventions to the left of the goalpost.
I guarantee you that Rafa will not be risking MOTM Clark on his right side.
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Thing is if you look at end of season tables not many Division 2 sides finish with a great defensive record. Conceding less than 40 doesn't happen that often. And teams have won it conceding 50+. Elphick hasn't convinced me at all but we've conceded 9 in 9 despite all our fuck ups so it's not a disaster. Yet. Hopefully.
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He started quite well but in recent games he's been lucky to have got away with so few assists for the opposition.
If baker is fit I'd definitely consider him and Chester. But I don't expect RDM will drop him
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Clark got man-of-the-match. Miles better than Elphick. Put Clark and Gana in our team now and we'd be sorted.
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I thought Clark was decent - no more
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He's shocking. I'd have taken him and not Baker off at half time. In fact I wouldn't have started him. He's an accident waiting to happen. He gets caught in possession, out of position and is outpaced regularly.
Elphick was indeed very poor, Newcastle seemed to know this and let him have the ball before pressing him quickly when he either gave it to them or thumped it aimlessly out of play, I wasn't convinced when I saw him at the Weds game, the chest thumping seemed to conceal some large problems with his ability, that said to take him off and leave the injury prone Baker on may have been a risk too far.
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Ps Clarke was MOM? Blimey, he was adequate I suppose but looked very ropey when we ran at him. I think he could have expected a better reception from our fans to be honest.
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I thought we'd seen the last of that when we sold Ciaran
FOR THE LAST TIME ITS "CLARK"!
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He looked so bad I'd consider baker over him next game, to be fair to Nathan hes put in his usual very good blocks he's capable of the last few games, he's just a big risk with his injury proneness. Elphick looks all over the shop, severely lacking pace and calmness.
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I think he's trying to play like he's better than he is. He'd be better off just getting rid a bit more
Could have cost us three yday, to add to similar mistakes v Brentford and Ipswich
Make those mistakes in the premier league and it's 3-4 goals conceded
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Why was Baker taken off? Should've been Elphick after that shocker. Or was Baker injured?
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He really should be dropped after that display yesterday , he has been poor for the last few games.I don't think he will though as being Captain will give him a bit more more protection from being rested for a few games.
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Thing is if you look at end of season tables not many Division 2 sides finish with a great defensive record. Conceding less than 40 doesn't happen that often. And teams have won it conceding 50+. Elphick hasn't convinced me at all but we've conceded 9 in 9 despite all our fuck ups so it's not a disaster. Yet. Hopefully.
Oh my...! That's certainly put the chat amongst the pigeons. I do hope you've got your tin hat handy, Pete. :o
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I thought Clark was decent - no more
Most interesting thing with Clark yesterday is he was constantly booting the ball into the stand and being safety first.
He was another we had in defence who was constantly messing around on the ball thinking he was Beckenbauer.
It's not rocket science. If your defenders are dodgy on the ball just tell them to clear it.
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He needs to be much much better. Jedinak and him are two of the poorest players in the side at the moment, and they're not offering any of their supposed 'leadership'.
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He is useless, Not good enough to play for Villa.
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Maybe he had some talent, but as per usual, we coach anything good out of him and he ends up looking hopeless.
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Thought he was guilty of slowing the play down yesterday. Too slow to move the ball and too many touches.
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£3.5M isn't much in todays inflated market. We paid £11m for Kodjia plus add ons. A new centre back is a must in January. The defence looks short of quality.
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Well I can't complain too much about him. I like many of our signings I didn't know who they played for before and their names didn't really ring too many bells with my memory.
Not quite what I expected though from the comments on this site.
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He just isn't that good really.
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We bought him because he was considered to be a leader of men and a safe pair of hands in the championship.We should contact trading standards first thing Monday morning!
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He just isn't that good really.
I don't know about 'Boon', more like fucking 'Baboon'.
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It's a pitty the same 28 day rules do not apply like purchasing of goods. We could Have returned half our squad to their previous clubs and either got credit or our money refunded.
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If only Argos did footballers!
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It's a pitty the same 28 day rules do not apply like purchasing of goods. We could Have returned half our squad to their previous clubs and either got credit or our money refunded.
To be fair though, the only ones that look like real duffers are Elphick and the Beard of Doom. Gollini and Tsibola were good shouts for the future, but not necessarily to be first choice now (especially Gollini). McCormack and Kodjia look good but you could argue were not really necessary at the prices we paid as we already had Ayew, Gestede, Kozak and Hepburn-Murphy so 1 modest new signing would probably have sufficed there. They are also suffering from a lack of creativity and an unbalanced team. De Laet got injured and Adomah hasn't played much yet so we don't know on those 2. Chester looks a decent one.
The problem is that the serious money was spent in the wrong areas, and that the manager has no idea how to use what he has.
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He was a great leader for Bmth and good captain...but he never got a sniff there once he got injured. Think he played about the first 4 games for them.
Saw him play against us in our last away win and remember thinking "boy he was slow...".
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Carthorse, looks like a lower league player who had his season in the sun with Bournemouth in the way many players do, played above his level. Looks a turd of a centre back, no actual qualities I can think of, would rather have block head Baker throwing his face at shots and getting injured every 45 minutes.
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He wasn't just popular withj Bournemouth fans though he did well at previous clubs and was really well thought of. Chatting to PNE fans before and after the game, they thought both hime and Jedinak were really good players at this level and were shocked how badly they played.
A bowl of soup has more shape than the team did yesterday, put them all in a proper formation, with clear roles and simple instructions and watch the team climb the table.
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I think I voiced the concern when we signed him that having a good character is great, but if your not good enough to pull your weight as a player it's no use at all. I'm a bit concerned that Elphick isn't up to it as a player.
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I think I voiced the concern when we signed him that having a good character is great, but if your not good enough to pull your weight as a player it's no use at all. I'm a bit concerned that Elphick isn't up to it as a player.
On top of that, I think his confidence is shattered. I think we sometimes forget that even in our current position, there is added pressure signing for a club like Villa and some players find it hard to cope with.
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Could Jedinak play centre half as he doesn't cut the ice in midfield?
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Could Jedinak play centre half as he doesn't cut the ice in midfield?
I reckon he could play leftback. Left back in the changing room.
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I honestly think a big part of our defensive issues is that we set up way too open and don't play as a cohesive unit. I think Westwood would look better in a midfield 5 for example where he is essentially playing the Richardson role of keeping the play ticking over. Ask him to do more than that he's exposed. Our midfield problems also exposes the defence, a problem that has been ongoing for ages now. Having 4 or 5 forward is useless. If they cannot get the ball, and by nature don't really contribute defensively then you get a set up that makes no sense at all. The football is completely disjointed and lacks any kind of chemistry or cohesion.
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Could Jedinak play centre half as he doesn't cut the ice in midfield?
No.
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The only way Jedinak could play centre back would be if we entered the Intertoto Comedy Cup and got a bye to the final for having the most slapstick defence combo of Jedinak, Richards and Elphick.
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I want Jedinak as far away from the pitch and our goal as possible
I've just seen th first Preston goal. He literally slipped the man through for a one on one
He's been appalling so far. Genuinely can't think of a player who's done worse in a long time. Including Westwood before anyone says it
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Just remembered i read or heard something last week about him losing quite a lot of money recently in a property investment that's gone tits up
Could this have took his eye off the ball ?
He started quite well i thought, but he's been getting worse by the week recently to my eyes.
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I can name at least two Villa legends who lost money on property speculation and it did not hold back their careers.
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Just remembered i read or heard something last week about him losing quite a lot of money recently in a property investment that's gone tits up
Could this have took his eye off the ball ?
He started quite well i thought, but he's been getting worse by the week recently to my eyes.
So as well as looking like a poor CH, he has managed to lose money in property investment. How is the latter possible given the way values in all properry sectors have only been going up over the last 5 years
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I can name at least two Villa legends who lost money on property speculation and it did not hold back their careers.
Who were they, Brian?
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Just remembered i read or heard something last week about him losing quite a lot of money recently in a property investment that's gone tits up
Could this have took his eye off the ball ?
He started quite well i thought, but he's been getting worse by the week recently to my eyes.
No. I just think he's shite to be honest.
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He won't be looking forward to a new guy coming in. Anything like the last few performances and he'll be well down the pecking order
Ditto Jedinak
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He won't be looking forward to a new guy coming in. Anything like the last few performances and he'll be well down the pecking order
Ditto Jedinak
Down the pecking order to who though? I think both Tommy and Jedinak will be fine with a manager who understands how to set up a team.
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He won't be looking forward to a new guy coming in. Anything like the last few performances and he'll be well down the pecking order
Ditto Jedinak
Down the pecking order to who though? I think both Tommy and Jedinak will be fine with a manager who understands how to set up a team.
I don't I'm afraid. It's not like the defence has chopped and changed personnel or formation much. Chester's been OK, Elphick is just poor.
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He had been awful, but maybe a new manager can give them all a lift. But him and Jedinak have been truly awful so who knows.
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He won't be looking forward to a new guy coming in. Anything like the last few performances and he'll be well down the pecking order
Ditto Jedinak
Down the pecking order to who though? I think both Tommy and Jedinak will be fine with a manager who understands how to set up a team.
I don't I'm afraid. It's not like the defence has chopped and changed personnel or formation much. Chester's been OK, Elphick is just poor.
I don't deny that they have both been way below expectations. But when you set up a team to play as open as we are and have that many forwards at one time the defence becomes completely exposed. But I agree they both need to be better along with everyone else. Especially our expensive and well paid forwards.
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We should play 4-3-3.
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All true perhaps
But Jedinak and elphick were unspeakably bad against Newcastle. I mean so bad I'll remember those performances forever. Struggling to think of worse.
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I can name at least two Villa legends who lost money on property speculation and it did not hold back their careers.
Who were they, Brian?
Hendry?
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I really hope whoever comes in decides to change the captain just not sure who to ?
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I think elphick and the Jedi took there performances to new levels versus Preston = lower
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I think elphick and the Jedi took there performances to new levels versus Preston = lower
The worst atrocity on Saturday was the second goal. Jesus wept.
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For me, Elphick was the stand out player at being totally clueless against Barnsley. The guy has no idea what hes doing, and Jedinak!! I thought hed be the midfield boss for us but hes useless. Professional footballers shouldnt need over 10 games to gel
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I think elphick and the Jedi took there performances to new levels versus Preston = lower
The worst atrocity on Saturday was the second goal. Jesus wept.
I thought the little cameo number that Westwood did by standing on his toes and waving his arms majestically whilst their player ran away with the ball was quite touching!
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For me, Elphick was the stand out player at being totally clueless against Barnsley. The guy has no idea what hes doing, and Jedinak!! I thought hed be the midfield boss for us but hes useless. Professional footballers shouldnt need over 10 games to gel
I agree, but to be fair, Jedinak hasn't had anywhere near 10 games yet.
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For me, Elphick was the stand out player at being totally clueless against Barnsley. The guy has no idea what hes doing, and Jedinak!! I thought hed be the midfield boss for us but hes useless. Professional footballers shouldnt need over 10 games to gel
I agree, but to be fair, Jedinak hasn't had anywhere near 10 games yet.
Jedinak was crap against Newcastle and in the first half against Barnsley but in the second half an Oakwell he was fine, tackling, rarely giving the ball away and doing the job I imagine we bought him for but at Preston he was dire. I don't know if it was because he had Westwood for a partner or never recovered from that homicidal pass into our area.
As for Elphick, he has been a fuckin' disaster as a player and as a captain. I sincerely hope it is temporary on both cases. January is a long way off.
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The spine we've bought has been a complete disaster so far - Gollini, elphick and Jedinak have directly cost us about ten goals already, not counting their general impact on performances
I expect a new manager to seek a new keeper and midfielder in January, and to prioritise that over getting in cover for our afcon forwards
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Yep, unfortunately when we built the new spine we built one with scoliosis so that nothing quite lines up or fits.
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He looked better with Baker than he has with Chester.
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The only one I would have said before hand was a risk was Gollini, I wasn't a fan of a rookie keeper in a new country. Jedinak and Elphick both had rave reviews from former clubs fans though, I don't get why they have been so abysmal.
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I always thought Jedinak looked slow and poor on the ball
Everyone seemed to rate him though so I assumed I'd just not seen enough
He's been far worse than I feared though! At least so far.
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The only one I would have said before hand was a risk was Gollini, I wasn't a fan of a rookie keeper in a new country. Jedinak and Elphick both had rave reviews from former clubs fans though, I don't get why they have been so abysmal.
I remember the last player that was a fans favourite at his previous club, a Mr Habib Beye.
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He looked better with Baker than he has with Chester.
He has, but that being said, Chester has looked by far our best defender. Steady(ish), but still bang average.
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He looked better with Baker than he has with Chester.
He has, but that being said, Chester has looked by far our best defender. Steady(ish), but still bang average.
Not be of the current crop need to be world beaters to look better than last year. We simply don't have Laursen, Mellberg or McGrath any more
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The spine we've bought has been a complete disaster so far - Gollini, elphick and Jedinak have directly cost us about ten goals already, not counting their general impact on performances
I expect a new manager to seek a new keeper and midfielder in January, and to prioritise that over getting in cover for our afcon forwards
I think the keeper will come good (well I hope so), remember other foreign keepers who took time to adjust, though to be fair he was at man u. Elphick has to improve but Bournemouth mate raves about him, as for Jedinak I wonder if the legs have gone, but maybe give him a bit more time
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The spine we've bought has been a complete disaster so far - Gollini, elphick and Jedinak have directly cost us about ten goals already, not counting their general impact on performances
I expect a new manager to seek a new keeper and midfielder in January, and to prioritise that over getting in cover for our afcon forwards
I think the keeper will come good (well I hope so), remember other foreign keepers who took time to adjust, though to be fair he was at man u. Elphick has to improve but Bournemouth mate raves about him, as for Jedinak I wonder if the legs have gone, but maybe give him a bit more time
Yes my cousins are cherries ST holders and rave about him too. The only thing they've got right about him is his pre match ritual with the goalpost
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Jedinak has just been panned for his performance for the Aussie this week
It might be form he can recover, but I'd honestly play Westwood ahead of him at the moment
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When you are in your early 30s in that position, sometimes not so easy and has he the same appetite?
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I'm biased because I never saw him as that great in the first place
His passing is just so bad (and then occasionally he'll drill a really lovely 40 yard ball out wide)
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Jedinak has just been panned for his performance for the Aussie this week
It might be form he can recover, but I'd honestly play Westwood ahead of him at the moment
Yep.
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Took me a while to find this thread! Shocking mistake has cost us again. A long ball punt towards him should've been comfortably dealt with, but he slipped like a comedy act and gifted them 3 points...
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I'd rather see Hutton in a back three than this clown.
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He really is poor isn't he?
Sell in the summer for me.
If Bruce wants to continue at the back we need some actual CBs with pace and who can actually pass the ball. Chester is fine but for distribution Chester and Baker certainly aren't.
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I'd rather SB give young Bedeau a bash than Tommy.
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Sometimes a manager is faced with a dilemma if a player has been in reasonable form, but players in similar positions have played even better.
You either leave out a player in decent form, or you change your shape.
This shouldn't have been a dilemma as far as Elphick was concerned. He was bobbins when he was a first team regular earlier in the campaign and he has been bobbins in his fleeting appearances since then. I have seen nothing in his game to convince me he is worth shoehorning into any starting XI.
I'd never have a go at a manager for trying something different. I hear the arguments about Bruce's transfer business being geared around 4-4-2 and then setting up 5-3-2 against not one but two sides with little attacking threat. Slightly oddball. But I could just about wear that.
What is infuriating is persisting with Fatty Arbuckle Agbonlahor when he was so clearly off the pace and offering little, and now seemingly doing the same for Elphick.
Idiotic, unnecessary blockheaded decisions that have both helped to scupper our season in different ways.
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I'd never actually heard of him until we signed him - I'm beginning to understand why.
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My view of Elphick is that he should only ever wear a villa shirt again if he's bought it from the Villa Store.
He's an accident waiting to happen. His presence undermines the keeper and his fellow defenders. Yesterday I watched the team and thought that there's him and Hutton who wouldn't have improved last years team.
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Bruce rates his attitude, Gabby's too. In Steve's world it's only fair to give both plenty of opportunities.
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I had high hopes for Mad Tom, but he's been awful for us. Definitely seems one we need to try and palm off on someone in the summer.
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He's come in and made an alright pairing in Chester and Baker far, far worse. And of course playing the extra defender means we're weaker in midfield. Absolutely crazy thinking from Bruce.
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Finding a spot for an inform player fair enough, but getting Boon into a Villa side after his performances this season, quite baffling. I would not have in on the bench, he seeps panic and inability and the rest of the team know that.
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I'd go so far to say he'd make my all-time worst Villa XI. And I've been going since 1978.
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He would walk into my worst Villa XI and I have been going since George Cummings and Mush Callaghan had hair.
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And I thought his signing would guarantee nous at the back and promotion. He's crap.
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Hopefully the person who recommended him is no longer at the club?
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He is the worst sort of crap because it is all in his head. Nerves, hesitancy, defeatism, fear. You can't get rid of those with a bottle of embrocation or a bonding break in Benidorm. Gardner and Kozak are crap because they have had horrific injuries. Elphick is crap because he has mental issues. The fact that I am very, very sorry for him does not alter the fact that somebody did not do their job assessing him and we should never have bought him.
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'Mental issues' deserving pity seems a bit OTT to me, but he does look like a player who has arrived at a much bigger club and the expectation has overwhelmed him a bit. Off given he was originally bought as captain. There again, we did the same with Micah Richards...
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He is the worst sort of crap because it is all in his head. Nerves, hesitancy, defeatism, fear. You can't get rid of those with a bottle of embrocation or a bonding break in Benidorm. Gardner and Kozak are crap because they have had horrific injuries. Elphick is crap because he has mental issues. The fact that I am very, very sorry for him does not alter the fact that somebody did not do their job assessing him and we should never have bought him.
This is the class of thing that sports psychologists are adapt at fixing, so I have heard.
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He is the worst sort of crap because it is all in his head. Nerves, hesitancy, defeatism, fear. You can't get rid of those with a bottle of embrocation or a bonding break in Benidorm. Gardner and Kozak are crap because they have had horrific injuries. Elphick is crap because he has mental issues. The fact that I am very, very sorry for him does not alter the fact that somebody did not do their job assessing him and we should never have bought him.
Brian
People chuck stuff out on this forum as if it is fact, when really it's just conjecture. How on earth do you know Elphick has a mental issue here and if he is a little low on confidence does this really go to the lengths of defeatism and fear?
I just see a player out of form, partly through lack of first team game time and partly through maybe just not being that good. When you hear people talk about his presence in the dressing room etc (eg Bruce not wanting to leave him out) there is no hint of defeatism and fear. Really it's just stuff amateur psychologists make up on a football forum.
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It seems to me that whenever we concede a goal or don't play well, we have to have a player who is totally to blame the world famous "scapegoat", this season it is Elphick, next season it will be someone else's turn
If you play for the Villa long enough, don't worry we will get round to you and blame you for all the problems on the pitch!
Earlier in the season Jedinak, was described as rubbish & we need to get rid etc..., now supposedly he is the player that we need back in the team. Last season Bacuna got dogs abuse now we should be playing him.
If the pie was not hot enough on Saturday, some on here would say it was Elphick's fault
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Elphick is not being scapegoated, he is actually terrible. So terrible, I'd actually play Richards in front of him.
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Elphick starts a league game and our record is W2 D8 L8. When he doesn't start W6 D4 L2
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It seems to me that whenever we concede a goal or don't play well, we have to have a player who is totally to blame the world famous "scapegoat", this season it is Elphick, next season it will be someone else's turn
If you play for the Villa long enough, don't worry we will get round to you and blame you for all the problems on the pitch!
Earlier in the season Jedinak, was described as rubbish & we need to get rid etc..., now supposedly he is the player that we need back in the team. Last season Bacuna got dogs abuse now we should be playing him.
If the pie was not hot enough on Saturday, some on here would say it was Elphick's fault
Maybe it's because Bacuna, Jedinak and Elphick have all been shit in their own special way?
With Bacuna it was more attitude and delusions of grandeur rather than total shitness (not that he's as great as he seems to think he is either).
I wouldn't be distraught to see all three depart in the summer.
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Why is it scapegoating whenever a player who is undoubtedly performing poor is called out for it?
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Elphick is not being scapegoated, he is actually terrible. So terrible, I'd actually play Richards in front of him.
Me too. Keith Richards.
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Elphick is not being scapegoated, he is actually terrible. So terrible, I'd actually play Richards in front of him.
Me too. Keith Richards.
Or Wendy.
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Elphick is not being scapegoated, he is actually terrible. So terrible, I'd actually play Richards in front of him.
Me too. Keith Richards.
Or Wendy.
Wendy could do a good job in the hole or at the base of a diamond.
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Elphick is not being scapegoated, he is actually terrible. So terrible, I'd actually play Richards in front of him.
Me too. Keith Richards.
Or Wendy.
Wendy could do a good job in the hole or at the base of a diamond.
Sorry to spoil the fun but there is an 's' on the end. Viv Richards would do the job though.
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Elphick is not being scapegoated, he is actually terrible. So terrible, I'd actually play Richards in front of him.
Me too. Keith Richards.
Or Wendy.
Wendy could do a good job in the hole or at the base of a diamond.
Sorry to spoil the fun but there is an 's' on the end. Viv Richards would do the job though.
Or Michael Elphick
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Elphick is not being scapegoated, he is actually terrible. So terrible, I'd actually play Richards in front of him.
Exactly. Elphick is getting stick for the mistakes he makes, and no others.
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He does appear to be a walking disaster....much like Ehiogu when he started ( whether it was Norwich or not - and he was blooming awful in that game. I was right down the front of the Holte and saw every mis-kick up close as I recall )
Elphick just seems to be bull-at-a gate ( would have been useful to McCormack, no ? )
No co-ordination in him.
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I haven't seen too many players be overwhelmed by the experience of playing for Villa but this guy is definitely in that camp. He can't hack it and is an accident waiting to happen in every game he plays. Saturday was a prime example.
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Let's just hope the manager is thinking along the same lines now and does not play him again, sorry it did not work out, but it has not.
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I haven't seen too many players be overwhelmed by the experience of playing for Villa but this guy is definitely in that camp. He can't hack it and is an accident waiting to happen in every game he plays. Saturday was a prime example.
Personally I think nearly all of them are overwhelmed by the experience
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I preferred him when he was Neil in The Inbetweeners
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I preferred him when he was Neil in The Inbetweeners
Wasn't that Gollini?
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I haven't seen too many players be overwhelmed by the experience of playing for Villa but this guy is definitely in that camp. He can't hack it and is an accident waiting to happen in every game he plays. Saturday was a prime example.
Personally I think nearly all of them are overwhelmed by the experience
agreed. there confidence now will be pretty low.
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I preferred him when he was Neil in The Inbetweeners
Wasn't that Gollini?
Could be. These crap players all look the same to me.
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I preferred him when he was Neil in The Inbetweeners
Wasn't that Gollini?
Could be. These crap players all look the same to me.
It's probably because most the time they play the balls at the opposition's feet.
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Absolutely terrible player.
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Every time he's involved, we concede comedy goals.
I imagine he works hard in training and is seen as "a good pro", the sort managers like.
None of that really matters, though, if he's shit at football.
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overpowered for both goals tonight wasnt he?
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He's awful. So much for the head butting the post before the game. He stands out as shit which is some going in this team.
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Such a mug player.
I mentioned in the match thread so many of our players are better than what they're producing.
Elphick really isn't imo. This idea that was floated when he signed that he was some defensive rock at Bournemouth...they conceded loads of goals at this level the year they went up.
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Shite....move on
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He's just utterly inept at every aspect of defending.
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I know quite a few Bournemouth fans who seem to know their stuff, and they all say he was a decent player if slightly loopy.
Sadly for us, he h gone wrong, in his brain tank.
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He obviously has passed through the talent draining machine that we call Bodymoor heath
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Any player who feels the need to head butt the post before the game is clearly not composed enough.
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Calderwood used to slap himself in the face in the dressing room and was a good defender.
Elphick is like a skittish horse being drowned by the saddle of playing for a club this big.
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Can't someone offer this twunt money to eat a pie during Saturday's game? Then again he'd probably drop it.
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Calderwood used to slap himself in the face in the dressing room and was a good defender.
Elphick is like a skittish horse being drowned by the saddle of playing for a club this big.
It's different to do it in relative privacy. Elphick clearly is way over hyped every time he plays.
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I'd rather have Micah Richards instead of this liability.
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He is pound for pound the worst Villa player I've seen. He's third division at best, so technically deficient it's embarrassing
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He is pound for pound the worst Villa player I've seen. He's third division at best, so technically deficient it's embarrassing
He started the first few games OK, but has gone downhill rapidly since then. His confidence looks shot to pieces.
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I don't think he started the first few games ok, didn't he fuck up for the Sheffield Wednesday and Huddersfield goals?
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Had such high hopes for Tommy, what a massive let down he has been.
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Just forced myself to re-watch the goals again and he is so out of touch ! There were 4 Villa players with their backs turned at the first short corner and for the second goal Elphick was in another game, when Lascelles stepped ahead of him to side-foot at Angela. Very poor. Get Bakes back in.
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We are struggling badly at centre half. Chester is a quality player but is getting dragged down in his form. Baker has played well at times but is way too inconsistent and Elphick has been a complete liability. I was surprised there was not a centre half and holding midfielder at the top of Bruce's shopping list in Jan. I somehow think there will be in the summer, plus an experienced keeper or 2.
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We need a Lascelles type next to Chester.
Strong and athletic.
Baker and Chester have been o.k for most of the season in fairness but get found out against quick forwards.
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Lascelles won't be at that hole long, I think he will be bought this summer. Looking at how rubbish Stones is for 50m, there are a lot of sides that would benefit from having him.
We are looking at Chris Samba on a short term deal until the summer. Can't be worse than Elphick.
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Just posted on twitter...
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...but will he " gel " in time or succumb to the BMH effect straight off?
Like many contributors, here, I can't understand how a defensive-minded coaching squad of SB + CC can't get the defence organised ??
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Given that he's crap we won't have to bother coaching it into him, he can go straight into the team and be crap with out any acclimatisation.
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I wanted Samba when he was at Blackburn, proper beast in those days.
No idea what state he's in now though.
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Maybe he will be our new target man.
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or maybe his girth will be just what we need in a new goalkeeper ? He would maybe have stopped that one on the line, even standing the other side of the goal ! ?
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Given that he's crap we won't have to bother coaching it into him, he can go straight into the team and be crap with out any acclimatisation.
I'm sure once he gets into the team he'll push on to become one our crappest players.
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I'm sure once he gets into the team he'll push on to become one our crappest players.
It's what they all dream of.
"I joined Villa knowing that they already have some truly dreadful players in all positions, but I've got confidence in my own ability, and I'm sure that once I've settled in, I'll stink the place out at least as badly as the boys who are here already. I've known the gaffer for a while, and if anybody can coach any last trace of ability and confidence out of me, it's him. It's my ambition to be really shit in League 1 next season, and I think this is the place to achieve that aim."
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I'm sure once he gets into the team he'll push on to become one our crappest players.
It's what they all dream of.
"I joined Villa knowing that they already have some truly dreadful players in all positions, but I've got confidence in my own ability, and I'm sure that once I've settled in, I'll stink the place out at least as badly as the boys who are here already. I've known the gaffer for a while, and if anybody can coach any last trace of ability and confidence out of me, it's him. It's my ambition to be really shit in League 1 next season, and I think this is the place to achieve that aim."
"You've tried the best, now try the rest."
Though anything that keeps Elphick away from the first team gets my vote. Chris Samba, Montezuma's revenge, napalm - whatever it takes.
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I'm sure once he gets into the team he'll push on to become one our crappest players.
It's what they all dream of.
"I joined Villa knowing that they already have some truly dreadful players in all positions, but I've got confidence in my own ability, and I'm sure that once I've settled in, I'll stink the place out at least as badly as the boys who are here already. I've known the gaffer for a while, and if anybody can coach any last trace of ability and confidence out of me, it's him. It's my ambition to be really shit in League 1 next season, and I think this is the place to achieve that aim."
"You've tried the best, now try the rest."
Though anything that keeps Elphick away from the first team gets my vote. Chris Samba, Montezuma's revenge, napalm - whatever it takes.
Maybe we can team him up with Titus Bramble.
Totes amazeballs.
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I don't think he started the first few games ok, didn't he fuck up for the Sheffield Wednesday and Huddersfield goals?
That was Gollini!! He looked solid if unspectacular in his first few outings, but has looked increasingly like a liability since then.
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I'd rather have Micah Richards instead of this liability.
Ok you are Micah Richards and I claim my £10
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I don't think he started the first few games ok, didn't he fuck up for the Sheffield Wednesday and Huddersfield goals?
That was Gollini!! He looked solid if unspectacular in his first few outings, but has looked increasingly like a liability since then.
I dont the blame Gollini for the Huddersfield goal.
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I do for the Wednesday one.
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Weren't they all Elphick's fault then ?
He is really frightening....and not in the way we need.
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I don't think he started the first few games ok, didn't he fuck up for the Sheffield Wednesday and Huddersfield goals?
That was Gollini!! He looked solid if unspectacular in his first few outings, but has looked increasingly like a liability since then.
I dont the blame Gollini for the Huddersfield goal.
I still do. Not sure who else could be to blame really, though the ball did hold up a little on the way through. Saying that, it still could have gone anywhere when it hit their player and was just one of those things.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MiJ9XvK6QtU
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All I get from watching that video (and being at the game) is how terrible Huddersfield looked for the first hour, we really should've been three up at half time comfortably.
And look at them now.
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I understand that he has had some personal tragedy recently, which may explain his lack of form.
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The man is a total liability and will be moved on in January '18
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And to think I didn't want him joining the blose, in case he was any good!
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And to think I didn't want him joining the blose, in case he was any good!
He seems a decent bloke, but not moving him and McCormack on over the summer was a big blow.
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And to think I didn't want him joining the blose, in case he was any good!
He seems a decent bloke, but not moving him and McCormack on over the summer was a big blow.
A blow yes but you cant shift players when nobody wants them
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The man is a total liability and will be moved on in January '18
How?
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He had a proper row with bruce last night during the first half.
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And to think I didn't want him joining the blose, in case he was any good!
He seems a decent bloke, but not moving him and McCormack on over the summer was a big blow.
A blow yes but you cant shift players when nobody wants them
There was interest in those pair wasn't there?
I accept that Baker going and no replacement coming in meant we had to keep Elphick in all reality.
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A blow yes but you cant shift players when nobody wants them
Someone will want, at the right price. Take the financial hit and move on.
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Will he want to take the financial hit though?
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Last year he made mistakes certainly but Gollini was so unpredictable. You never knew if he was coming for a cross going to drop it etc so must have been difficult being a defender with him there.
Bruce obviously does not fancy him but with an older John Terry then Samba and in a push Jedinak we needed to keep one. I would have kept Nathan but we got £4m for his hence why he went.
He got sent off but he has played so little both reserves and first team in the last year he would need time to get to speed. I am not sure most thought he was a bad signing when we got him as he had an ok year before was a good captain etc.
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Wasn't he out injured most of the season before we bought him?
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And to think I didn't want him joining the blose, in case he was any good!
He seems a decent bloke, but not moving him and McCormack on over the summer was a big blow.
A blow yes but you cant shift players when nobody wants them
There was interest in those pair wasn't there?
I accept that Baker going and no replacement coming in meant we had to keep Elphick in all reality.
Sunderland wanted him, McCoymack and Hutton.
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I accept that Baker going and no replacement coming in meant we had to keep Elphick in all reality.
But ...but we had Micah Richards :-[
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I accept that Baker going and no replacement coming in meant we had to keep Elphick in all reality.
But ...but we had Micah Richards :-[
Who is harder to find than a ladies special ladybutton.
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And to think I didn't want him joining the blose, in case he was any good!
He seems a decent bloke, but not moving him and McCormack on over the summer was a big blow.
A blow yes but you cant shift players when nobody wants them
There was interest in those pair wasn't there?
I accept that Baker going and no replacement coming in meant we had to keep Elphick in all reality.
Sunderland wanted him, McCoymack and Hutton.
The only issue being it was £4.50 for all three
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He seems to have disappeared from the squads with Micah
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He seems to have disappeared from the squads with Micah
A big reason why we now keep so many clean sheets.
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Samba is ahead of him in the pecking order so we don't new two CBs on the bench.
Would imagine Elphick's attitude is fine, it's just his performances last season were not of the standard expected. Simple as that.
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Himself and Micah, what lives of privilege. And under contract for another 18 months each.
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My mate met Elphick when the baggies played Bournemouth. My mate's nephew was named in the Bournemouth squad and he got tickets with the away fans and found himself sitting four seats from Elphick. The fans were all over him and he was extremely generous with his time, selfies etc. When he spoke to him he was an extremely nice bloke, pleasant and eloquent. He said that Bruce just didn't rate him, (no surprise), and was waiting for offers, which obviously haven't arrived.
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Poor Tommy. Came with a great reputation at this level. Another one who just couldn’t cope with the enigma that is Aston Villa. Bit of a difference playing in front of 11,000 at Dean Court and Villa Park.
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At the time RDM was probably trying to sign some proper players, unlike the clowns he inherited such as Lescott.
I don't know him, but I get the impression he's a decent lad, just not good enough to play for us.
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Might have to be good enough now......
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heh. lets try the youth team. It's for the best
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He obviously more athletic than samba so definitely needs to play against any team with pace. Big mistake getting rid of baker in hindsight
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He obviously more athletic than samba so definitely needs to play against any team with pace. Big mistake getting rid of baker in hindsight
There's a difference between 'getting rid' and letting a player leave who doesn't want to be here.
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So the day it's asked where he is, he'll now almost certainly be back in the squad.
(https://media1.tenor.com/images/4e40eceaa20acd743b4f00f289dd16ab/tenor.gif?itemid=5445537)
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And on the same theme, this is what will appear on the big screen when it's announced he's a starter.
(https://78.media.tumblr.com/3b5c235119a1d21d8d9cbf212caa67d9/tumblr_nussqx0OSW1seoyyho1_500.gif)
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And on the same theme, this is what will appear on the big screen when it's announced he's a starter.
(https://78.media.tumblr.com/3b5c235119a1d21d8d9cbf212caa67d9/tumblr_nussqx0OSW1seoyyho1_500.gif)
That could have been used regularly for home games over the last 6 years or so.
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He's got a decent attitude on him and did a nice turn by one of DBTW family members the other day. Time to dig deep.
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He could always put Samba up front and Hogan into centre half, because if Hogan can protect our goal as well as he stays away from the opposition, Premier League here we come.
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What a start to the year, 5 goals, a clean sheet and @O_J_murphy91 delivers me and my friends another winner. #utv #morethanluck
9:42 PM - Jan 1, 2018.
Wanted to give a big shout out for Tommy. Whatever his limitations he has always been a first class professional and kept his dignity throughout. Micah Fcukin Richards take note.
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What a start to the year, 5 goals, a clean sheet and @O_J_murphy91 delivers me and my friends another winner. #utv #morethanluck
9:42 PM - Jan 1, 2018.
Wanted to give a big shout out for Tommy. Whatever his limitations he has always been a first class professional and kept his dignity throughout. Micah Fcukin Richards take note.
Agree 100% kippax -
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Hear hear
I bet there are good few Pro's out there who could learn by his attitude
One of which, Stephen Ireland I heard is back in the Stoke squad!!!! Fuck me how much money has he earned in the last years without ever playing - I actually thought he had retired
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He played well yesterday :)
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Living down hear a lot of Bournemouth fans said he would be 8\10 every week. He has been absolutely awful until the last few games. Very happy for him and hopefully he has set the standard.
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Living down hear a lot of Bournemouth fans said he would be 8\10 every week. He has been absolutely awful until the last few games. Very happy for him and hopefully he has set the standard.
He had me shaking like a shitting dog whenever he played, until the last two games.
Fair play to him.
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He has looked every inch the captain that we thought we had purchased over the last 2 games
Fair play to him
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I'll be pleased when Terry is fit again, but an improved Elphick on stand by is a lot more comforting.
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He has looked every inch the captain that we thought we had purchased over the last 2 games
Fair play to him
Agreed - is a captain and displaying the authority required + the passion
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He has looked every inch the captain that we thought we had purchased over the last 2 games
Fair play to him
Agreed - is a captain and displaying the authority required + the passion
Quite what happened to him last season is still a mystery as he started the season well. I can't remember seeing a player visibly lose form and confidence so quickly though.
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He has looked every inch the captain that we thought we had purchased over the last 2 games
Fair play to him
Agreed - is a captain and displaying the authority required + the passion
Quite what happened to him last season is still a mystery as he started the season well. I can't remember seeing a player visibly lose form and confidence so quickly though.
Bruce has not treated him well either. Fair play for the last two performances when the only reason you are playing is because Whelan has the flu and the calamitous Jedinak (in defence) would have been playing otherwise. It can't be great to go from captain to behind Samba and an old midfielder in the central defence pecking order.
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Living down hear a lot of Bournemouth fans said he would be 8\10 every week. He has been absolutely awful until the last few games. Very happy for him and hopefully he has set the standard.
I don't see this as how he began. When he first arrived he looked the part alongside Chester. He somehow went from bad to worse as if his confidence went. Deserves a run on current form along with our Brazilian left back.
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I do wonder if there may be 1 or 2 forced sales this window to improve our FFP situation or to fund a bid to make Johnstone permanent. I could see Elphick and Lansbury in that category, because like Nathan Baker they have a value and that Bruce rates behind the likes of Samba and Whelan, which to me, is crazy.
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If we sell Elphick in Jan we are going down a very stupid route. Samba is made of glass, and Terry at 37 will inevitably pick up knocks. Elphick could be crucial. I would venture we may well not have got 6 points from the last 2 without him. Loved his passion at the final whistle of the last 2 games too.
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For the sake of a million or two, it's not worth a sale. He would fetch very little but has proved he can come in and do a job if needed.
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Well done Tommy Elphick for putting your heart and soul into it 👍
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If we sell Elphick in Jan we are going down a very stupid route. Samba is made of glass, and Terry at 37 will inevitably pick up knocks. Elphick could be crucial. I would venture we may well not have got 6 points from the last 2 without him. Loved his passion at the final whistle of the last 2 games too.
Agreed it would be mental to sell him. His form is a massive bonus and good luck to him.
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I would keep him he's proving a point that he's still a good player long may it continue.
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He's doing a good job which is something I thought I would never say.
I'm pleased he has given up all that pre-game goal post bull shit
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He does it every game and did it New Years Day too.
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He's doing a good job which is something I thought I would never say.
I'm pleased he has given up all that pre-game goal post bull shit
I couldn't care less. Whatever works for him is fine by me.
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He does it every game and did it New Years Day too.
Did he?
I didn't notice (too excited by the fireworks).
I wish he would stop all that pre-game goal post bull shit
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He does it every game and did it New Years Day too.
The other thing that Tom does pre-game is kick the ball about with a coach rather than another player. Normally at the end of this, just before running into the tunnel, he hoofs the ball towards a corner flag well away from the coach.
However, before the Brizzle game, as Tom was waiting to receive the ball back from the coach before what was likely to be his customary hoof, instead of passing the ball to Tom the coach hoofed the ball to the corner of the ground himself :)
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I hope we keep Tommy. Be daft not to with nearly half a season of games to play and an unlucky series mid injuries to key players all season.
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He does it every game and did it New Years Day too.
The other thing that Tom does pre-game is kick the ball about with a coach rather than another player. Normally at the end of this, just before running into the tunnel, he hoofs the ball towards a corner flag well away from the coach.
However, before the Brizzle game, as Tom was waiting to receive the ball back from the coach before what was likely to be his customary hoof, instead of passing the ball to Tom the coach hoofed the ball to the corner of the ground himself :)
I saw that too! Not sure the coach did that deliberately though. From his earlier efforts it looked lime his range of passing was, shall we say, limited.
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Looks like Bruce might sell Elphick this month according to the B'ham Mail. If so, a stupid decision. You can't rely on Samba with his injury record. Elphick has been excellent in the last few games.
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That would be an appalling decision.
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I’d go along with selling him, we need to move a few on and he’s one of the few that isn’t an automatic choice who has a value.
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Other than the likes of Richards and Gabby (although we might need him for one last party piece in Feb), I wouldn't be letting anyone go just yet. There's still a lot of games to be played.
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If anyone still thinks samba is a good enough fill in well. Good to keep him as cover no real option, unless Hutton can play in the centre
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Other than the likes of Richards and Gabby (although we might need him for one last party piece in Feb), I wouldn't be letting anyone go just yet. There's still a lot of games to be played.
Agreed, surely recent events have shown that we need adequate cover.
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Can only think his recent games have got other clubs ringing up making inquiries (which clearly didn't happen in the summer) and he'd be a decent 3m to put in towards heading off FFP restrictions.
We would surely get in a CB on loan from the premier league.
I agree just waiting for Samba to get fit would be a bit of a heads gone.
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Elphick should stay as it is a long season and he should be next in after Chester and Terry, why he didn't play today is staggering to me. Samba is no way the same player, 4th choice yes but nothing more. As for a centre back coming in on loan, why would a premiership team loan us a player to sit on the bench?
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Tiny Penis wants Tommy apparently. I wouldn't want to strengthen a rival unless they massively overpay.
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Pretty much confirmed he's off to Reading. Shame we never saw the best of you but best of luck in the future Tommy.
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Stupid decision
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Odd decision. He played well in his recent games, and his treatment would appear to be at odds with Bruce's recent statements about the club being a meritocracy. If anything happens to Chester or Terry, we're going to have to rely on the 105 year old Samba or an untried kid from Man U.
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Shooting ourselves in foot by him going. eighteen games still to play and potentially a lot of injuries to our back four. Crazy.
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Odd decision. He played well in his recent games, and his treatment would appear to be at odds with Bruce's recent statements about the club being a meritocracy. If anything happens to Chester or Terry, we're going to have to rely on the 105 year old Samba or an untried kid from Man U.
The only logical explanation is that Bruce is sleeping with Mourinho and/or Samba.
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We’re replacing him with the kid from Man Utd. I think we’re taking a chance here and I hope it doesn’t back-fire.
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It's not what I would have done either. Elphick looks like a decent bloke to have around the dressing room and he's been through a promotion push before.
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Seems an odd and unnecessary decision, we're only a bad injury and a couple of suspensions away from very light at the back.
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FFP innit.
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TOMMY ON THE WAY?
“It looks as if he’s going to Reading. That’s edging closer.
“We’re hoping it will get done by lunch-time, which allows him to play tomorrow +
“I thought it was right for Tommy, it hasn’t gone so well here.
“Because of the way he is as a pro, and a lad, and a player, I can’t give him what he wants which is first team football.
“With the emergence of Easah Suliman and Tuanzebe walking through the door, then it gives me the ideal opportunity to let him go and play.”
There are some players that no matter what they do they don't fancy. Tommy is one of those.
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Odd decision for me.
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Odd decision. He played well in his recent games, and his treatment would appear to be at odds with Bruce's recent statements about the club being a meritocracy. If anything happens to Chester or Terry, we're going to have to rely on the 105 year old Samba or an untried kid from Man U.
The only logical explanation is that Bruce is sleeping with Mourinho and/or Samba.
Or both, separately or simultaneously.
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He has had a few good games. Rewind to pre-4th November and the idea of Elphick being anywhere near the side would have made you all cry.
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“With the emergence of Easah Suliman and Tuanzebe walking through the door, then it gives me the ideal opportunity to let him go and play.”
This is probably the oddest bit of the whole thing. "the emergence of Easah Suliman" - Can you really say that about a young central defender whose only inclusion in the squad was against Wigan in the cup in August and who has seen 3 full backs and a central midfielder get games ahead of him in his position? Where exactly has he emerged?
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He has had a few good games. Rewind to pre-4th November and the idea of Elphick being anywhere near the side would have made you all cry.
exactly that,
it's no big loss
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He has had a few good games. Rewind to pre-4th November and the idea of Elphick being anywhere near the side would have made you all cry.
And then he came in, when we didn't have anybody else, which is the point.
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“With the emergence of Easah Suliman and Tuanzebe walking through the door, then it gives me the ideal opportunity to let him go and play.”
This is probably the oddest bit of the whole thing. "the emergence of Easah Suliman" - Can you really say that about a young central defender whose only inclusion in the squad was against Wigan in the cup in August and who has seen 3 full backs and a central midfielder get games ahead of him in his position? Where exactly has he emerged?
Yeah that's an odd one. My first thought when we were linked was Suliman must be gutted, but it does seem Axel may be a safer pair of hands to rely on, at least at this stage of their careers.
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Is it a loan or a sale?
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Is it a loan or a sale?
Loan
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“With the emergence of Easah Suliman and Tuanzebe walking through the door, then it gives me the ideal opportunity to let him go and play.”
This is probably the oddest bit of the whole thing. "the emergence of Easah Suliman" - Can you really say that about a young central defender whose only inclusion in the squad was against Wigan in the cup in August and who has seen 3 full backs and a central midfielder get games ahead of him in his position? Where exactly has he emerged?
Yeah that's a bogus excuse anyway, local hacks should surely be calling him out on it
Tuanzebe is highly rated and I suspect part of the agreement with United was that he would be coming in as third choice CB behind Terry and Chester and very likely to see game time as a result.
Strange to change our centre half options at this stage of the season. Elphick has been solid, even Samba hasn't been too bad. Jedi's stint there cost us points.
Elphick and Tshibola leaving, RDL and Gollini gone, McCormack exiled. Kodjia, Chester, Adamoah and Jedinak have done well. Very much a mixed bag, the summer of 2016....
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He has had a few good games. Rewind to pre-4th November and the idea of Elphick being anywhere near the side would have made you all cry.
Agreed. Delighted in how he came in from the cold and performed but up until that point he was someone everyone was scared to death seeing in a Villa top. But he’s a seasoned pro who wants games and bringing in a a top prospect from Man U will have come with playing expectations. I think the player to really miss out will be Bjarnason eventually. Jedinak is clearly not fully fit and Whelan has dropped down the pecking order. So I can see Axel in front of Terry and Chester on a few occasions and filling in for Terry to give him a break.
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done deal. Good luck to him
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He's done nothing too much of note and wants first team football, which we can't offer given he's not good enough.
Instead we have a young and hungry player, who, by all accounts is good. We'll be fine. If nothing else, surely our defence is the one thing we're all agreed on, it's improved massively. Why wouldn't we trust the manager?
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Good luck Tommy in your move. Shame that you have to line up alongside bacuna though!
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... There are some players that no matter what they do they don't fancy. Tommy is one of those.
What the hell does that mean? Bizarre statement.
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He has had a few good games. Rewind to pre-4th November and the idea of Elphick being anywhere near the side would have made you all cry.
And then he came in, when we didn't have anybody else, which is the point.
And we've replaced him.
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He has had a few good games. Rewind to pre-4th November and the idea of Elphick being anywhere near the side would have made you all cry.
And then he came in, when we didn't have anybody else, which is the point.
And we've replaced him.
Let's hope his replacement is better than Onomah then.
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He has had a few good games. Rewind to pre-4th November and the idea of Elphick being anywhere near the side would have made you all cry.
And then he came in, when we didn't have anybody else, which is the point.
And we've replaced him.
Let's hope his replacement is better than Onomah then.
He doesn’t need a particularly high bar to be better than Elphick. I wouldn’t judge his entire body of work at Villa based on two (albeit) good games. He’s had lots and lots of shockers.
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It just seems a strange time to get rid of him when we finally looked like the squad is capable of sustaining a promotion push. He looked good when he replaced Terry but now we’ve got to hope this new kid is the real deal.
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Samba before elphick now I now I must be going daft
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FFP innit.
Which would make sense if we'd sold him but I can't imagine his wages are particularly high so unless we've got a fat loan fee out of Reading it'll make very little difference to FFP.
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FFP innit.
Which would make sense if we'd sold him but I can't imagine his wages are particularly high so unless we've got a fat loan fee out of Reading it'll make very little difference to FFP.
Think I read a loan with an option to buy at the end of the season
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It just seems a strange time to get rid of him when we finally looked like the squad is capable of sustaining a promotion push. He looked good when he replaced Terry but now we’ve got to hope this new kid is the real deal.
But what if he didn't want to be here as he wasn't getting game time? Instead we sign someone who is desperately keen and by all accounts seems to be regarded as being pretty bloody good.
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It just seems a strange time to get rid of him when we finally looked like the squad is capable of sustaining a promotion push. He looked good when he replaced Terry but now we’ve got to hope this new kid is the real deal.
But what if he didn't want to be here as he wasn't getting game time? Instead we sign someone who is desperately keen and by all accounts seems to be regarded as being pretty bloody good.
He probably did want to get away but we should have put our foot down and told him they’d be no departures till the season ended. Maybe the football fair play thing has something to do with it.
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Samba before elphick now I now I must be going daft
That's not the way to look at it. Elphick has a career left in front of him. He wants to play. For Samba, this is it. Once this contract ends he's probably just going to hang it up. Elphick, while he appreciates being brought back in always knew once Terry came back he'd be on the outside looking in. This makes sense. To me this is no different to De Laet. Both just want game time.
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Tuanzebe and Jedinak can play centre back.
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Tuanzebe and Jedinak can play centre back.
I would rather not see Jedi play there again.
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Jedi may well be finished too, we can't keep him fit and he's certainly no centre half.
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Jedinak can't play centre back. He is worse than Mica Richards in that position and he is as bad as it gets.
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Samba before elphick now I now I must be going daft
That's not the way to look at it. Elphick has a career left in front of him. He wants to play. For Samba, this is it. Once this contract ends he's probably just going to hang it up. Elphick, while he appreciates being brought back in always knew once Terry came back he'd be on the outside looking in. This makes sense. To me this is no different to De Laet. Both just want game time.
Absolutely and who can blame them. In a way, I am glad to see there are still players out there who want to play regularly and are not just content to sit around and collect their money like Richards and Agbonlahor.
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Jedinak can play centre back.
Don't stop believin'
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Good luck at Reading Tommy and well done for being prepared to play anywhere to earn your money . Are you taking notice Richards you lazy fat fuck ? No thought not .
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Poor Tommy having no luck. Limped off injured today in first half.
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Poor Tommy having no luck. Limped off injured today in first half.
And it looked like a bad injury. Being selfish, who pays his wages?!
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elphick posted on twitter. had an op and is out for 6 weeks!
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[quote author=brentastonb6 link=topic=56168.msg3366916#msg3366916 date
As JT has left would have liked to see him stay after his loan from reading.
However, Tommy Elphick is close to joining Reading.
"it s understood Reading are now ready to take up the option of signing Elphick permanently."
Source : Reading Chronicle
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Looks like we can raise 10m from player sales. Another 10m from the loans finishing.
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Thats good news, I always understood him to be pretty handy at Bournemouth but I he had a nightmare in that Sheff Weds opening game and he always seemed to struggle from there.
Good luck to him mind, he seemed a decent fella.
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To be fair he did have Gollini behind him.
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A JT lite. Tommy is a trier but what sort of quality are we talking and the level is he required but then what is our level and current situation I guess gives him another opportunity. For his leadership and talking and experience yes but how do we see him and Villa level as he wasn't one for last season .
Is it a needs must with departures of JT Chester and maybe Jedinak ?
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I think we will need to hold onto him and give him a proper chance at making the position his.
I would like to keep JC too , if at all possible.
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Away Hull.
Best and worst of tommy .
I think he could have cleared Evandro goal and didn't seem mobile and determined enough.
Miss placed passing
Keeping on side opposition not stepping up
However !! A goal ! Yes was straight forward on par with England Panama but he had a great finish and he does offer a threat.
I think he could be kept on this season as offers something however he has tendency basically to mess up!
That is concerning!
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Away Hull.
Best and worst of tommy .
I think he could have cleared Evandro goal and didn't seem mobile and determined enough.
Miss placed passing
Keeping on side opposition not stepping up
However !! A goal ! Yes was straight forward on par with England Panama but he had a great finish and he does offer a threat.
I think he could be kept on this season as offers something however he has tendency basically to mess up!
That is concerning!
Not for me Skillzy simply for the reason you have stated. It's heart-in-mouth time every time he is on the ball and I would prefer us to bring in a left sided centre back, with Chester going back to the right side.
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Axel Tuanzebe would be decent at the back .
Wondering if Bruce looking to go 3-5-2 depending on additions
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I was hoping for an improvement from him on Monday but he was as bad as ever, he's not nicknamed Bombscare for nothing.
It's not down to any lack of effort or application, he seems like a decent bloke but it just isn't working.
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Away Hull.
Best and worst of tommy .
I think he could have cleared Evandro goal and didn't seem mobile and determined enough.
Miss placed passing
Keeping on side opposition not stepping up
However !! A goal ! Yes was straight forward on par with England Panama but he had a great finish and he does offer a threat.
I think he could be kept on this season as offers something however he has tendency basically to mess up!
That is concerning!
I think he is definitely good enough to keep and would improve with a settled run of games. It takes a good while for centre backs to settle-particularly with positioning, which seems to me his main fault. Although this is his second time around for us, should be better for a run of games. If not there are alternatives. I think we have failed to bring too many players up to their potential in the past and written them off too easily.
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Away Hull.
Best and worst of tommy .
I think he could have cleared Evandro goal and didn't seem mobile and determined enough.
Miss placed passing
Keeping on side opposition not stepping up
However !! A goal ! Yes was straight forward on par with England Panama but he had a great finish and he does offer a threat.
I think he could be kept on this season as offers something however he has tendency basically to mess up!
That is concerning!
I think he is definitely good enough to keep and would improve with a settled run of games. It takes a good while for centre backs to settle-particularly with positioning, which seems to me his main fault. Although this is his second time around for us, should be better for a run of games. If not there are alternatives. I think we have failed to bring too many players up to their potential in the past and written them off too easily.
I agree to some extent that he could get better however I do feel Bruce will keep him around the club rather than play him consistently .
So unless we sign a quality centre half. He's needed even if he not a first teamer.
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In today match v wigan
I think he'll be playing this match if only because he scored and Bruce rewards him.
Like to see a bit more ruthlessness from bruce this season
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Vs the yeovil last night captain calamity gives away a pen.
Is there no end to his error prone ways?
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an accident who is always happening.
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Vs the yeovil last night captain calamity gives away a pen.
Is there no end to his error prone ways?
It was a dodgy decision anyway. Overall he was ok last night.
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Couldn't believe they gave it and seeing it again, I still can't.
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These refs watch the world cup and mayvhave been influence to give pk I seen them of course not given.
Elphick is a bit old school in defending and the whole grappling thing is so unclear as other times it's a foul against the attacker or nothing given .
It's just typical though that a penalty was conceded by him and he looked fine because he was not up against a trouble some strike force in any way what so ever .
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The ref had a wall of players in front of him he guessed wrong. Pathetic.
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Dare I say a TV decsion and maybe after not giving a goal in first half thought heres a pen for you .
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The thought had occurred to me.
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The thought had occurred to me.
I posted it at the time on the match thread.
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I have every sympathy with Elphick regarding Tuesday but it will all end in tears if we rely on him as a regular this season. He three unforced errors in the Hull match alone.
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I once had the great honour to talk football to Steve Hunt. He admitted to me that he suffered very badly from nerves when he played. I commented that I had never seen any trace of it in his game and how did he do it. He replied that he had half a tumbler of whisky before he ran on the pitch and the same again at half time. Somebody should suggest it to Tommy Elphick.
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I once had the great honour to talk football to Steve Hunt. He admitted to me that he suffered very badly from nerves when he played. I commented that I had never seen any trace of it in his game and how did he do it. He replied that he had half a tumbler of whisky before he ran on the pitch and the same again at half time. Somebody should suggest it to Tommy Elphick.
I'm not sure that would work. Half the time it looks like he's already pissed.
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Some people, me included, are more reliable pissed than sober. You just don't drive a car or use a chainsaw.
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Some people, me included, are more reliable pissed than sober. You just don't drive a car or use a chainsaw.
Especially not at the same time.
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Some people, me included, are more reliable pissed than sober. You just don't drive a car or use a chainsaw.
Especially not at the same time.
Exactly, how would you hold your drink?
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How are there people saying it shouldn't have been a penalty? He had a striker wrapped up like a Christmas present, preventing him from jumping or moving much at all in the box.
Just because someone's "seen a decision go the other way" doesn't mean it's not the right decision. It was a stonewall penalty every day of the week for me.
I want to like Elphick, he has a decent attitude and he's hungry, but my God has he been atrocious so far this season.
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Wrapped up like a present? He had a hand on him and the forward had a hand on his leg. So what?
Never a penalty.
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Wrapped up like a present? He had a hand on him and the forward had a hand on his leg. So what?
Never a penalty.
Agreed. It was a pathetic decision.
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I once had the great honour to talk football to Steve Hunt. He admitted to me that he suffered very badly from nerves when he played. I commented that I had never seen any trace of it in his game and how did he do it. He replied that he had half a tumbler of whisky before he ran on the pitch and the same again at half time. Somebody should suggest it to Tommy Elphick.
As Jim Cumbes put it:
"Before the game we were in the dressing room and, as was our custom, a whisky bottle was being passed round. Some of the players took a drink then when we'd all run out on to the pitch Vic took a big swig out of the bottle."
Someone asked him why he drank so much of it and he replied, "When you're manager of this club you'll know why".
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I remember an interview with the ex Coventry winger Dave Bennet. He'd have a shot of rum before kick off. Seems a popular tactic in the 70s and 80s.
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I always remember Tommy Johnston barfing on the pitch. He seemed ok after that game though, always looked like he was enjoying it.
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I remember an interview with the ex Coventry winger Dave Bennet. He'd have a shot of rum before kick off. Seems a popular tactic in the 70s and 80s.
I might bring it back for MNF 5-a-side.
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Wrapped up like a present? He had a hand on him and the forward had a hand on his leg. So what?
Never a penalty.
(https://thumb.ibb.co/bCrFtK/Capture.png) (https://ibb.co/bCrFtK)
Behave and stop fabricating. Elphick has two arms around the striker, whose hand is not in fact on Elphick's leg.
Tommy has let a striker get in front of him and outmuscle him in a set-piece situation so he's wrapped his arms around him and the lad hasn't been able to move. It's a penalty.
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If that was given every time there'd be half a dozen penalties in every match and they'd last two hours.
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If that was given every time there'd be half a dozen penalties in every match and they'd last two hours.
It's still a foul inside the box against the attacking team. Therefore, a penalty.
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If that was given every time there'd be half a dozen penalties in every match and they'd last two hours.
It's still a foul inside the box against the attacking team. Therefore, a penalty.
I don't recall many, if any of their players appealing at the time. The ref got it wrong, as he did a couple of things that night.
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If that was given every time there'd be half a dozen penalties in every match and they'd last two hours.
It's still a foul inside the box against the attacking team. Therefore, a penalty.
God help any team you referee then.
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Wrapped up like a present? He had a hand on him and the forward had a hand on his leg. So what?
Never a penalty.
(https://thumb.ibb.co/bCrFtK/Capture.png) (https://ibb.co/bCrFtK)
Behave and stop fabricating. Elphick has two arms around the striker, whose hand is not in fact on Elphick's leg.
Tommy has let a striker get in front of him and outmuscle him in a set-piece situation so he's wrapped his arms around him and the lad hasn't been able to move. It's a penalty.
If you took a screenshot of that another second later you will see that the Yeovil player's arm continues on around Elphick's back. That constitutes holding, an offence punishable with a direct free kick. Six of one half a dozen of the other, impossible to call as both offences occur at the same time. What are you going to give? Correct decision IMO? Play on. I've experienced enough of incidents in my time to know that is what the referee should have done. I always try to see the referee's point of view but this one he got wrong.
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Listen I'm a Villa fan and we're all prone to blind allegiance at times but a foul is a foul, a penalty is a penalty. You'd swear the fella had gone down in the box without anyone near him. I really don't understand how anyone can look at that situation and see anything other than a foul.
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Wrapped up like a present? He had a hand on him and the forward had a hand on his leg. So what?
Never a penalty.
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Behave and stop fabricating. Elphick has two arms around the striker, whose hand is not in fact on Elphick's leg.
Tommy has let a striker get in front of him and outmuscle him in a set-piece situation so he's wrapped his arms around him and the lad hasn't been able to move. It's a penalty.
If you took a screenshot of that another second later you will see that the Yeovil player's arm continues on around Elphick's back. That constitutes holding, an offence punishable with a direct free kick. Six of one half a dozen of the other, impossible to call as both offences occur at the same time. What are you going to give? Correct decision IMO? Play on. I've experienced enough of incidents in my time to know that is what the referee should have done. I always try to see the referee's point of view but this one he got wrong.
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Why lie?
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All right then. Explain to me why is his left arm across Elphick's chest? He's holding him off, and, his right elbow is in our no 4's ear.
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All right then. Explain to me why is his left arm across Elphick's chest? He's holding him off, and, his right elbow is in our no 4's ear.
Have you ever been tugged to the ground? Your arms go out automatically, He's being pulled down so he's trying to find leverage
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It was never a clear cut penalty and justice was done when he missed.
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All right then. Explain to me why is his left arm across Elphick's chest? He's holding him off, and, his right elbow is in our no 4's ear.
Have you ever been tugged to the ground? Your arms go out automatically, He's being pulled down so he's trying to find leverage
My arms don't shoot out to the side when I'm getting a tug.
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That's what Larry Grayson used to say.
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Wrapped up like a present? He had a hand on him and the forward had a hand on his leg. So what?
Never a penalty.
Even your evidence is unconvincing Lions. This photo does not show what you say it does. I thought it was a poor decision but made up for the disallowed goal in principle, which was also a poor decision.
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Behave and stop fabricating. Elphick has two arms around the striker, whose hand is not in fact on Elphick's leg.
Tommy has let a striker get in front of him and outmuscle him in a set-piece situation so he's wrapped his arms around him and the lad hasn't been able to move. It's a penalty.
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I once had the great honour to talk football to Steve Hunt. He admitted to me that he suffered very badly from nerves when he played. I commented that I had never seen any trace of it in his game and how did he do it. He replied that he had half a tumbler of whisky before he ran on the pitch and the same again at half time. Somebody should suggest it to Tommy Elphick.
Maybe they shouldn't. He might end up like Michael Elphick. ;)
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Wrapped up like a present? He had a hand on him and the forward had a hand on his leg. So what?
Never a penalty.
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Behave and stop fabricating. Elphick has two arms around the striker, whose hand is not in fact on Elphick's leg.
Tommy has let a striker get in front of him and outmuscle him in a set-piece situation so he's wrapped his arms around him and the lad hasn't been able to move. It's a penalty.
Fabricating?
You've posted a still of Tommy with his hands on the forward and the forward holding his shorts. It's not a foul and was never a penalty.
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I always worry when I see players holding their shorts.
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All right then. Explain to me why is his left arm across Elphick's chest? He's holding him off, and, his right elbow is in our no 4's ear.
Have you ever been tugged to the ground? Your arms go out automatically, He's being pulled down so he's trying to find leverage
My arms don't shoot out to the side when I'm getting a tug.
No, but I bet you pull a funny face.
Fnarr, fnarr
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Poor old Tommy captain on Tuesday and now if signing comes in of moukadi he'll likely be down the pecking order and probably out to loan !
Think he must be gutted !
Being ousted by an unproven up and coming player and the statement that Bree was excellent at centre back and tuanzabe was okay and Elphick would surely be out
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Skillz, Elhpick's shite. i wouldn't trust him to protect my granny's knitting.
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He'll go on loan I reckon
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Skillz, Elhpick's shite. i wouldn't trust him to protect my granny's knitting.
Agree he's weak and error prone . Costly errors too. Not sure why one min he in squad as skipper then next likely dumped
I mean he obviously was failure in his audition and won't be knocking any doors to get in the team
He'll go on loan I reckon
Exactly. Feel should have been out sooner so could organise Own players for season.
This is so last minute and disruptive .
I feel for Elphick and it's also annoying that Bruce did not just move him on earlier
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Skillz, Elhpick's shite. i wouldn't trust him to protect my granny's knitting.
Agree he's weak and error prone . Costly errors too. Not sure why one min he in squad as skipper then next likely dumped
I mean he obviously was failure in his audition and won't be knocking any doors to get in the team
He'll go on loan I reckon
Exactly. Feel should have been out sooner so could organise Own players for season.
This is so last minute and disruptive .
I feel for Elphick and it's also annoying that Bruce did not just move him on earlier
Isn't is best not to let players go before new one's come on?
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Is he still here?
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Seems like a good bloke and a good professional. But he's not very good where it matters IMHO
I wish him all the best though
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He has hardly been given a chance under a Bruce, he was a big part of Bournemouth promotion team.
He is certainly no worse than Jedi at centre half.
He is not one of Bruces bum chums though.
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He has hardly been given a chance under a Bruce, he was a big part of Bournemouth promotion team.
He is certainly no worse than Jedi at centre half.
He is not one of Bruces bum chums though.
He’s had his chances at Villa but he’s been hopeless since day one. No wonder Bournemouth got rid as soon as they went up.
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He has hardly been given a chance under a Bruce, he was a big part of Bournemouth promotion team.
He is certainly no worse than Jedi at centre half.
He is not one of Bruces bum chums though.
He’s had his chances at Villa but he’s been hopeless since day one. No wonder Bournemouth got rid as soon as they went up.
They didn't. He got a major injury that meant he missed almost the entire season which meant they had no choice but to replace him before selling him the following summer because they couldn't guarantee him getting his place back. That's very different from deciding someone just isn't good enough. That said I don't like us signing players who're coming back from major injuries, it can take a long time for them to properly recover, especially if you can't afford to give them a long run of games.
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He has hardly been given a chance under a Bruce, he was a big part of Bournemouth promotion team.
He is certainly no worse than Jedi at centre half.
He is not one of Bruces bum chums though.
He’s had his chances at Villa but he’s been hopeless since day one. No wonder Bournemouth got rid as soon as they went up.
They didn't. He got a major injury that meant he missed almost the entire season which meant they had no choice but to replace him before selling him the following summer because they couldn't guarantee him getting his place back. That's very different from deciding someone just isn't good enough. That said I don't like us signing players who're coming back from major injuries, it can take a long time for them to properly recover, especially if you can't afford to give them a long run of games.
Well he certainly hasn’t been good enough for us. Too many mistakes in him.
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He has hardly been given a chance under a Bruce, he was a big part of Bournemouth promotion team.
He is certainly no worse than Jedi at centre half.
He is not one of Bruces bum chums though.
He’s had his chances at Villa but he’s been hopeless since day one. No wonder Bournemouth got rid as soon as they went up.
They didn't. He got a major injury that meant he missed almost the entire season which meant they had no choice but to replace him before selling him the following summer because they couldn't guarantee him getting his place back. That's very different from deciding someone just isn't good enough. That said I don't like us signing players who're coming back from major injuries, it can take a long time for them to properly recover, especially if you can't afford to give them a long run of games.
Well he certainly hasn’t been good enough for us. Too many mistakes in him.
Like Jedinak!
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He has hardly been given a chance under a Bruce, he was a big part of Bournemouth promotion team.
He is certainly no worse than Jedi at centre half.
He is not one of Bruces bum chums though.
A manager walks into a club and identifies player's he's not keen on. It's not the first time it's happened and it won't be the last.
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Aston Villa’s Michael Elphick on Hull City’s loan radar
That's according to The Yorkshire post!
Michael!! Eh!
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He's probably a better player than ours
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He's probably a better player than ours
A propos what?
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Come on guys, we all know he is just not good enough for Aston Villa so bite the bullet and if Makoudi doesn't come off I would rather see Bree be given a chance although we also all know Bruce is grooming Jedi anyway
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He didn’t help himself with all that headbutting the post nonsense when he first arrived, just drew attention to himself and the fact that he was shite.
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He didn’t help himself with all that headbutting the post nonsense when he first arrived, just drew attention to himself and the fact that he was shite.
He still does that, did it at Burton on Tuesday prior to KO.
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Lets hope he does it on a regular basis at The K.Com
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Has officially gone on loan
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Stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid.
Our lack of centre-halves will be our undoing this season, and I refuse to believe that Steve Bruce can't see that. What on earth is he doing?
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absolute madness
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Never been good enough, never will be.
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Never been good enough, never will be.
That's not really the point, is it? Let's say Chester gets injured with 15 minutes to go and the game is 1-1. Do you really fancy Bree moving into centre-half ahead of Elphick?
Elphick has mistakes in him but he's not liable to completely fall apart, which is what will happen to someone who not only is not a centre-half by trade, but hasn't been played full stop for god knows how long, not even in his native position.
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Never been good enough, never will be.
That's not really the point, is it? Let's say Chester gets injured with 15 minutes to go and the game is 1-1. Do you really fancy Bree moving into centre-half ahead of Elphick?
Elphick has mistakes in him but he's not liable to completely fall apart, which is what will happen to someone who not only is not a centre-half by trade, but hasn't been played full stop for god knows how long, not even in his native position.
I thought when he covered for Terry he looked solid. Maybe if we run out of centre backs we'll throw caution to the wind and do the inverse of rafa's 10-0-0 formation?
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Confirmed left for Hull. Good luck mate.
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Never been good enough, never will be.
That's not really the point, is it? Let's say Chester gets injured with 15 minutes to go and the game is 1-1. Do you really fancy Bree moving into centre-half ahead of Elphick?
Elphick has mistakes in him but he's not liable to completely fall apart, which is what will happen to someone who not only is not a centre-half by trade, but hasn't been played full stop for god knows how long, not even in his native position.
I thought when he covered for Terry he looked solid. Maybe if we run out of centre backs we'll throw caution to the wind and do the inverse of rafa's 10-0-0 formation?
He looked ok when covering for Terry , overall he hadn't been great how ever it was pretty clear early on Bruce didn't rate him so that was hardly going to help his performance levels ..
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This is very odd.
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I’m gobsmacked that he’s allowed to leave if we have no one coming in.
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I genuinely think he will use Bree there now after tuesday. Would Tommy be a big earner?
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I don't really rate Elphick, but letting a centre-half go when we are desperately short of centre-halves is fucking stupid. Plus he played quite well at Burton. Jedinak plays badly every time he's selected there and is first name on the team sheet.
How is it possible to spend tens of millions of pounds more than anyone else and still be having to play a midfielder at centre-half, and to have no reliable back up at centre-half, left-back or up front?
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WTF?
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So he goes for a 20 year old french centre half, who decides its not time to leave France yet and turns us down.
He then decides I know we can afford to let one of our only two properly recognised centre halves on loan.
Thus leaving us really short at the back.
He must be losing the plot! Or he has a cunning plan!
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I am guessing Tuanzebe will be centre back cover with Elmo at RB. Not perfect but neither is it the worst.
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I am guessing Tuanzebe will be centre back cover with Elmo at RB. Not perfect but neither is it the worst.
If that's the case he needs to start giving him game time there and the Burton game was surely the perfect opportunity.
It is difficult to fathom this whatever way you look at it.
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Bruce really has lost the plot
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Crazy stuff
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Radio rental
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Makes no sense to me. He is experienced and good enough for this league.
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Makes no sense to me. He is experienced and good enough for this league.
Copy that for pasting when Potato Head lets RDL go.
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Tuanzebe is his replacement surely with Elmo now able to revert to RB.
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Tuanzebe is his replacement surely with Elcmo now able to revert to RB.
Wasn't Tuanzebe was Terry's replacement?
We've still only got two centre backs.
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Tuanzebe is his replacement surely with Elcmo now able to revert to RB.
Wasn't Tuanzebe was Terry's replacement?
We've still only got two centre backs.
Plus Jedinak and also an option to play a back 3.
As I say not perfect but given the constraints we are under I expected far worse a few weeks ago.
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I can’t believe he has been allowed to leave, daft decision in my opinion.
Yes we have other who can play there like Jedi,Hutton, De Laet and perhaps even Bree but he was our only other natural centre back.
If Axel is Terrys replacement why hasn’t he played at centre back yet?
Seems an unnecessary loan to me, hope we done see Chester get any injuries or we will be truly Fu#@*ed
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If Axel is Terrys replacement why hasn’t he played at centre back yet?
I presume because he has had to play RB because Elmo was in midfield. Signing Bolasie means he can now move back.
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If Axel is Terrys replacement why hasn’t he played at centre back yet?
I presume because he has had to play RB because Elmo was in midfield. Signing Bolasie means he can now move back.
It's not like Elmo was our only option at RB. And what about the Burton game?
It's hard to find a valid excuse for this.
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He wasn't very good. If it's a toss up between him and Jedinak, I'll go with the latter as at least he's not a tart whose afraid of a goal post and vulnerable in the air.
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If Axel is Terrys replacement why hasn’t he played at centre back yet?
I presume because he has had to play RB because Elmo was in midfield. Signing Bolasie means he can now move back.
That actually makes sense. But isn't bolasie a left winger?
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He wasn't very good. If it's a toss up between him and Jedinak, I'll go with the latter as at least he's not a tart whose afraid of a goal post and vulnerable in the air.
What about when Jedi is knackered? We know he can't play every week and is likely to pick up injuries. I'm generally glass half full mindset, but if there is no replacement then this is just madness.
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If Axel is Terrys replacement why hasn’t he played at centre back yet?
I presume because he has had to play RB because Elmo was in midfield. Signing Bolasie means he can now move back.
That actually makes sense. But isn't bolasie a left winger?
I had assumed he would play on the right with El Ghazi on the left.
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Insanity. Leaves us with two natural centre backs, one of which, Tuanzebe, is a work in progress.
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Better wrap James Chester in cotton wool, cause if he gets crocked - we're in deep doodoo.
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He hasn't exactly been great for us, but imagine Chester out for a few months, we're left with Jedi, Axel and Bree. Hopefully with our strikeforce we'd manage a few 5-4 wins.
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It’s another daft decision that this manager has a habit of making about players, selections and tactics.
This is why we have a team that significantly achieves less than its potential.
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Don’t understand this one at all with no apparent replacement.
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I'm actually not too bothered about this. Bruce clearly doesn't rate Elphick and has an embarrassment of defenders in the squad, several of whom can cover for CB.
The manager has also already said that he wants Jedi to be the LCB, so here we are; for better or worse.
If it means Bree and RDL get opportunities to play, great.
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Gob bless him, but I think he's one of the worst footballers I've ever seen pull on our shirt.
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Certainly one of the barmiest and we have had a few of those.
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He wasn't very good. If it's a toss up between him and Jedinak, I'll go with the latter as at least he's not a tart whose afraid of a goal post and vulnerable in the air.
What about when Jedi is knackered? We know he can't play every week and is likely to pick up injuries. I'm generally glass half full mindset, but if there is no replacement then this is just madness.
Then we play Tuanzebe there, which is likely the long term plan.
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We have Bree and RDL can play centre half in addition.
I'm bemused at the reaction for letting a player that's been almost universally dire, that's barely played in 2 years go, a complete liability has in anyway weakened us.
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We have Bree and RDL can play centre half in addition.
I'm bemused at the reaction for letting a player that's been almost universally dire, that's barely played in 2 years go, a complete liability has in anyway weakened us.
He's not a great player but would be far better cover than having to rely on fullbacks and midfielders as and when the injuries come.
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Where's Chris Samba when you need him?
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It’s another daft decision that this manager has a habit of making about players, selections and tactics.
This is why we have a team that significantly achieves less than its potential.
Yep.
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Glad he's gone to be honest he's no future here so good luck to him. Think a combination of Chester Jedinak Bree and Tuanzabe is sufficient.
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We have Bree and RDL can play centre half in addition.
I'm bemused at the reaction for letting a player that's been almost universally dire, that's barely played in 2 years go, a complete liability has in anyway weakened us.
Those two aren't even getting into the squads in their preferred position of right back, so all of a sudden they're going to be good enough to play central defence if called upon? Going into the rest of the season with one proper experienced central defender seems a bit silly if you ask me.
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Glad he's gone to be honest he's no future here so good luck to him. Think a combination of Chester Jedinak Bree and Tuanzabe is sufficient.
Only 1 of the 4 you just mentioned has any pedigree as a centre-half. So my question to you is... How? That's just daft thinking.
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Agreed. Especially when we have a surplus of players in less important positions.
I’m not one for knocking Bruce about everything but he’s a defensive manager and he has left us short there.
It will take a huge change in mindset for him to set up a team to go out and utilise our attacking players to simply outscore teams.
I was expecting to feel more confident this evening than I was yesterday. I’m not.
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We have Bree and RDL can play centre half in addition.
I'm bemused at the reaction for letting a player that's been almost universally dire, that's barely played in 2 years go, a complete liability has in anyway weakened us.
He's not a great player but would be far better cover than having to rely on fullbacks and midfielders as and when the injuries come.
I'm not convinced.
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For those who went to Burton, how was Bree at centre-half?
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Decent actually. One of the few if only positives.
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Decent actually. One of the few if only positives.
cheers
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All will be fine. We still have Micah Richards. Makes me even angrier with him that he’s still here.
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All will be fine. We still have Micah Richards. Makes me even angrier with him that he’s still here.
It makes me sick in that whilst Elphick is certainly no Paul McGrath he's a good pro who wants to do well for Villa, yet on the flip side we're still paying Micah Richards a stupid wage for doing absolutely nothing.
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Apparently we signed Micah at his prime (according to Tim Nice But)
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Apparently we signed Micah at his prime (according to Tim Nice But)
Just like Amazon Prime, it is very hard to cancel, and will keep charging you dosh.
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Anyone still see the sense in Elphick being let go? Ads maybe?
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He's fucking shit. He's not the answer and never has been.
Nice dig though you whopper.
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We haven't kept a clean sheet yet in the league, it's hard to imagine we'd be any worse with him playing instead of Jedi.
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He played at Hull and was at fault for the goal. He's shite. We lost absolute top quality in Terry and haven't replaced him.
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He's fucking shit. He's not the answer and never has been.
Nice dig though you whopper.
The answer to what question?
If it's "Would you rather Mile Jedinak, a whole heap of nothing on the bench, or Tommy Elphick?" then actually I do think he's the answer.
He may not be a fantastic player but letting him go with 1 actual centre half in the squad was wilfully stupid, and you know it.
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Him being limited doesn't alter that he'd almost certainly be better than Jedi. I'd prefer we had better than both but in a straight choice between Jedi and Elphick it wouldn't be Jedi.
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No problem with him going, as long as we had a replacement. Just idiotic.
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He played at Hull and was at fault for the goal. He's shite. We lost absolute top quality in Terry and haven't replaced him.
You just told an outright lie, he sat on the bench and didn't play a minute today.
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If rather have fresh fucking air than Elphick because he's shit. I'd rather not have Jedinak either, I'd rather have had a centre half of quality.
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He played at Hull and was at fault for the goal. He's shite. We lost absolute top quality in Terry and haven't replaced him.
You just told an outright lie, he sat on the bench and didn't play a minute today.
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He played at Hull and was at fault for the goal. He's shite. We lost absolute top quality in Terry and haven't replaced him.
You just told an outright lie, he sat on the bench and didn't play a minute today.
He played at Hull for Villa 3 weeks back, was at fault for the first goal. He didn’t want to hurt himself by clashing with the post
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A lie? What the fuck are you dribbling about?
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Popcorn anyone?
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"He played at Hull and was at fault for the goal" - I took that to mean Hull's game today, they lost 2-1 and he was on the bench. Honest mistake, sorry, total misunderstanding.
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How the fuck would I know how Hull have got on let alone watch it? I've been stood in the Redbrik Lower, row J, and drifting between seat 58 and the aisle.
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How the fuck would I know how Hull have got on let alone watch it? I've been stood in the Redbrik Lower, row J, and drifting between seat 58 and the aisle.
And how would I know where you've been? Even at the match you might have been following the other games on your phone like many people do. Take the apology, it's obvious I just misunderstood what you said.
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How about you dont call people liars, stick your apology up your backside and have another decade off instead.
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How about you quit the hard man act, it’s not really true is it?
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How about you dont call people liars, stick your apology up your backside and have another decade off instead.
What a charmer.
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How about you all calm down?
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Never thought I'd be typing this, but
Can we recall Elphick from his loan?
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We should if we can
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You then run the risk of a dissatisfied player just going through the motions knowing as soon as January arrives you're off again. Frying pan and fire spring to mind. I have no alternative solution.
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Alternatively he'll be reinvigorated with impressing a new manager who might give him another chance.
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Alternatively he'll be reinvigorated with impressing a new manager who might give him another chance.
That's very true Eamonn and I'd thought of it but, given the way his time with us has gone I'd be of the opinion that a clean break away would be beneficial for him and, he thinking he'd got it for a season at least, might leave him feeling pissed off.
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There may not be a recall clause in his loan contract BUT even if there is players can only be recalled in the next transfer window I believe, so not till January in any case. As I understand it anyway
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Can be recalled in January according to Adkins.
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anyone know how he is doing at Hull
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Very well by all accounts. Hull fans seem to love him.
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Very well by all accounts. Hull fans seem to love him.
I'd be trying to sell him then really and putting the money towards a possible replacement(s).
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He played well for Bournemouth in a team that played football more akin to Dean Smiths style than Steve Bruce's. Maybe he is worth a shot in Jan.
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The much maligned and not really given a chance here.
Typical of Steve Bruce management.
Don’t get on with a player, throw th3m under a bus and try and buy a replacement or not in this case.
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He's yet another player who seems to do well everywhere but at the Villa. Given how many of those we've had over the past decade, it can't be down to bad luck.
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Like with right-backs, we have a surplus of right- sided central defenders. How did Bruce leave us so unbalanced.
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I'm not making any excuses for Bruce by any means but Elphick has been nothing short of appalling when on the field in a Villa shirt. His first spell earned him the "Bombscare" nickname and when he was bought back into the fold at the start of this season he was no better.
I'm certainly in agreement that he could flourish at another club but he's had his chances with us as far as I am concerned.
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Agreed, Nev. My complaint is not so much that he's been sent out on loan, more that he's not been permanently replaced during the last three windows.
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anyone know how he is doing at Hull
I saw the hull game last weekend and he looked good. Composed on the ball and did well in the air. Feels like he gets stage fright at the villa
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He had some off field personal problems which were not widely reported.
Just amazing that someone that has played well at this level can be written off.
It makes no sense from a management or commercial perspective.
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I'm not making any excuses for Bruce by any means but Elphick has been nothing short of appalling when on the field in a Villa shirt. His first spell earned him the "Bombscare" nickname and when he was bought back into the fold at the start of this season he was no better.
I'm certainly in agreement that he could flourish at another club but he's had his chances with us as far as I am concerned.
He played 3 games this season and we conceded twice in those games, given we've conceded 22 in 14 without him I wouldn't be singling him out as having performed badly or saying he's had his chance. For some people they've just decided his face doesn't fit after 15-20 games in his first season and nothing will change their mind. He was ok last year when called upon and did well in his few appearances this time. Add to that some very good performances for Hull and we really shouldn't be throwing him away when we can barely put out a defence.
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He was made captain and given a great opportunity when he first arrived. For whatever reason he simply didn't step up.
I agree we should have given him another chance this season and allowing the loan under the circumstances was bewildering. But he has been average at best for us and I think the pining for him is more about us being down to bear bones than him being any more than an adequate player at this stage of his career.
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He was made captain and given a great opportunity when he first arrived. For whatever reason he simply didn't step up.
I agree we should have given him another chance this season and allowing the loan under the circumstances was bewildering. But he has been average at best for us and I think the pining for him is more about us being down to bear bones than him being any more than an adequate player at this stage of his career.
It's not about pining, it's about wasting money. We paid a decent amount for him and have very quickly written him off when we don't have better options. I don't think he's anything more than an average player at this level, but I'd rather have him available than be paying a big chunk of his wages for him to be adequate elsewhere whilst we struggle to put out a functional defence.
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By all accounts he was a proper captain and leader when he came. He's not exactly done brilliantly playing for us but then who has? Plus he's got to be better than anyone bar Chester and Tuanzebe.
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He was made captain and given a great opportunity when he first arrived. For whatever reason he simply didn't step up.
I agree we should have given him another chance this season and allowing the loan under the circumstances was bewildering. But he has been average at best for us and I think the pining for him is more about us being down to bear bones than him being any more than an adequate player at this stage of his career.
Wasn't there a video going g around of him criticizing Mr Bruce? I'm sure I read that on here somewhere. It's maybe the reason he was sent away.
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He was made captain and given a great opportunity when he first arrived. For whatever reason he simply didn't step up.
I agree we should have given him another chance this season and allowing the loan under the circumstances was bewildering. But he has been average at best for us and I think the pining for him is more about us being down to bear bones than him being any more than an adequate player at this stage of his career.
Wasn't there a video going g around of him criticizing Mr Bruce? I'm sure I read that on here somewhere. It's maybe the reason he was sent away.
I reckon there could be a lot of them.
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He was made captain and given a great opportunity when he first arrived. For whatever reason he simply didn't step up.
I agree we should have given him another chance this season and allowing the loan under the circumstances was bewildering. But he has been average at best for us and I think the pining for him is more about us being down to bear bones than him being any more than an adequate player at this stage of his career.
It's not about pining, it's about wasting money. We paid a decent amount for him and have very quickly written him off when we don't have better options. I don't think he's anything more than an average player at this level, but I'd rather have him available than be paying a big chunk of his wages for him to be adequate elsewhere whilst we struggle to put out a functional defence.
I don't think we've said anything different here?
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He was made captain and given a great opportunity when he first arrived. For whatever reason he simply didn't step up.
I agree we should have given him another chance this season and allowing the loan under the circumstances was bewildering. But he has been average at best for us and I think the pining for him is more about us being down to bear bones than him being any more than an adequate player at this stage of his career.
It's not about pining, it's about wasting money. We paid a decent amount for him and have very quickly written him off when we don't have better options. I don't think he's anything more than an average player at this level, but I'd rather have him available than be paying a big chunk of his wages for him to be adequate elsewhere whilst we struggle to put out a functional defence.
I don't think we've said anything different here?
Saying people are pining for him when we have 2 centre backs on the books and suggesting his appearances for us this season were appalling is hyperbolic at best. No one thinks he's a world beater but the squad would be better with him in it right now and, if we can't get a new centre back in January, recalling him would be the only sensible thing to do.
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He's one the the most technically deficient players I've ever seen play for us.
The way he moves, his touch, his turning circle, his passing are all way off this level, in my opinion.
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Wanting Elphick back in any capacity is like meeting the one woman on a boat full of blokes. Even though she’s clearly taken a battering through life she’s... well still a woman. Right now our defence is that boat full of blokes making Elphick desirable even if you know the story has got a hideous end.
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The much maligned and not really given a chance here.
Typical of Steve Bruce management.
Don’t get on with a player, throw th3m under a bus and try and buy a replacement or not in this case.
How did Bruce throw him under a bus? Has he ever publicly singled him out for blame? How do you know he didn’t get on with him?
Elphick scared the sh*t out of me whenever I saw him play. His positioning and body shape were really unconvincing.
However, i’d certainly have him as centre back cover at the moment, and i’d love it if the change of playing style somehow suited him better.
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He's one the the most technically deficient players I've ever seen play for us.
The way he moves, his touch, his turning circle, his passing are all way off this level, in my opinion.
Agreed. I hadn’t read this thread properly, and was trying to articulate the same thing.
He seems like a nice bloke but I can’t see how he would give his team mates any confidence, which is not what you want from a centre back. A bit like the keeper really.
I’d love to be proved wrong, and find that he’s just an ‘unconventional’ footballer or something.
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He was made captain and given a great opportunity when he first arrived. For whatever reason he simply didn't step up.
I agree we should have given him another chance this season and allowing the loan under the circumstances was bewildering. But he has been average at best for us and I think the pining for him is more about us being down to bear bones than him being any more than an adequate player at this stage of his career.
It's not about pining, it's about wasting money. We paid a decent amount for him and have very quickly written him off when we don't have better options. I don't think he's anything more than an average player at this level, but I'd rather have him available than be paying a big chunk of his wages for him to be adequate elsewhere whilst we struggle to put out a functional defence.
I don't think we've said anything different here?
Saying people are pining for him when we have 2 centre backs on the books and suggesting his appearances for us this season were appalling is hyperbolic at best. No one thinks he's a world beater but the squad would be better with him in it right now and, if we can't get a new centre back in January, recalling him would be the only sensible thing to do.
Are you actually reading my posts Paul? I haven't said he's been appaling and I've said loaning him was daft.
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Wanting Elphick back in any capacity is like meeting the one woman on a boat full of blokes. Even though she’s clearly taken a battering through life she’s... well still a woman. Right now our defence is that boat full of blokes making Elphick desirable even if you know the story has got a hideous end.
Classy 👏👏
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Will only have six months left on his deal in January, I think we'll move him off the books for a small fee if Hull want him full time.
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Will only have six months left on his deal in January, I think we'll move him off the books for a small fee if Hull want him full time.
Hull won't do that if that is the case. They would just keep him on loan until the end of the season and sign him for free in the summer. We might get interest from others in January though if he continues to do well there.
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Are you actually reading my posts Paul? I haven't said he's been appaling and I've said loaning him was daft.
You said people were pining for him, they're not and that's the sort of silly comment that starts arguments.
The first post i replied to was by someone else who said he was appalling. Again, the sort of comment that gets thrown around on here far too often.
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Had a woeful first half at SHA today.
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Had a woeful first half at SHA today.
We should have put a clause in his deal that he can't play against them.
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Christ on a bike, I've just seen the rags first goal.
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To be fair, all three were a defensive shambles and Elphick was only responsible for one of them.
I don't think Elphick is as bad as is made out on here - but he does always have an absolute clanger in him, as today so aptly demonstrated.
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For their second, he doesn't make much of a fist of not letting Adams get a shot away.
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Hull saying there's a strong possibility he'll be recalled in January.
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Hull saying there's a strong possibility he'll be recalled in January.
We need him back as we are short of strength in depth in defence. I also think he a decent player at Championship level.
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We simply have to look after our own interests. We're also playing them in January so that will weaken them for that game.
Were one of the favourites for relegation and he's helped them to mid table so they shouldn't go down from this point.
They can still have him on free transfer end of season.
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May as well be cover for us than help another Championship side
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We simply have to look after our own interests. We're also playing them in January so that will weaken them for that game.
Surely that won't make any difference, as he'd be ineligible to play against us anyway?
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We simply have to look after our own interests. We're also playing them in January so that will weaken them for that game.
Surely that won't make any difference, as he'd be ineligible to play against us anyway?
In normal circumstances they might've signed him permanently on January 1st.
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Quote from Adkins:
“From my point of view he’s done great for us and his form has probably alerted Aston Villa to the situation because he was out of there,” Adkins said.
“Now, all of a sudden, there’s a player in form in the Championship that they might have to recall.
“We’re not saying that is going to happen but there’s a strong possibility it could happen. If it does, we’ll just have to address it.”
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Didn't he score v Hull first game season ?!
I'm not saying he's great, far from it, but it was fool hard to loan him out it unbalanced the squad.
Bruce and coaching staff should have had an acknowledgement of defence situation. The French defender Harold Moukoudi and McKenna Aberdeen was all too last ditch.
I don't think now with the sporting director in charge such errors will be made .
Plus Smith is clued up on squad and balance be a team !
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https://twitter.com/HullCity/status/1079013012260958208
He's been recalled.
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Well in likelihood, he'll come back in and do a decent job and be sold in the summer, probably to Hull. The good thing is he'll be coming back to a very different and positive environment.
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Could of done it after the Leeds game >:( :-\
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Could of done it after the Leeds game >:( :-\
Why? Surely he's not eligible for recall until the window opens so even if we had recalled him after Leeds he couldn't have played for us until January.
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More than sensible decision that doesn’t make up for madness to send him out in the first place, without a replacement in situ.
Welcome home Tommy.
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The folly of bruce is being undone by Smith not by words but by actions. First Kalinic now an Elphick return. It will be interesting to see what else Smith does to counter bruce's bizarre legacy.
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Could of done it after the Leeds game >:( :-\
Why? Surely he's not eligible for recall until the window opens so even if we had recalled him after Leeds he couldn't have played for us until January.
Hull play Leeds today ;)
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Somehow I don’t think Elphick playing or not would have made a difference. I think Leeds will win either way
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Good to have him back, still beggars belief he was allowed to go.
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Elphick is absolute shite. I'd rather play a youth player.
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Somehow I don’t think Elphick playing or not would have made a difference. I think Leeds will win either way
I actually think Hull will get something today, dirty leeds can't keep winning, :-\ , we gain three points on them today.
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Elphick is absolute shite. I'd rather play a youth player.
He's not the greatest I'd admit, but he's not to the shite levels of Jedinak
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Elphick is fine. Did well at Hull on the opening day.
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Neither should be anywhere near the team. We should have had a centre-half ready to sign on January 1st.
If Elphick is the answer while Tuanzebe is out then we may as well give up on promotion for this season.
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Elphick is fine. Did well at Hull on the opening day.
Apart from the goal he cost us.
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Neither should be anywhere near the team. We should have had a centre-half ready to sign on January 1st.
If Elphick is the answer while Tuanzebe is out then we may as well give up on promotion for this season.
He's not Franco Baresi, but a centre half is needed asap and he'll do just fine.
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Elphick's a solid championship defender, not good enough to play in the premier league because he makes too many mistakes but as 3rd choice for a team challenging for the play offs he's fine and should never have been pushed out.
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Correct decision.
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Neither should be anywhere near the team. We should have had a centre-half ready to sign on January 1st.
If Elphick is the answer while Tuanzebe is out then we may as well give up on promotion for this season.
He's not Franco Baresi, but a centre half is needed asap and he'll do just fine.
We need a good centre-half, not just someone who occasionally stands in that vague position. He is abysmal. The worst defender I've ever seen at Villa.
Can't believe that four months away seems to have resulted in a collective amnesia. Every time he plays for Villa, we are effectively starting a goal down.
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He's been consistently awful in a Villa shirt. Dreadful. The only way I can look at it is right now we're one injury away from Hutton or an untried kid being a first choice there.
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I can just about tolerate the idea of him as a last resort cover, or to play in the Swansea Cup game.
If Smith has any thoughts that we don't need to sign a proper centre-half by the end of the month then it is suicide for our promotion hopes.
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Tommy’s tweet on learning he’s coming back
Ultimately I’m absolutely delighted to go back to @AVFCOfficial and get going under the new manager and adding to this exciting group of players pushing for another promotion. UTV!!🦁🦁🦁🦁
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I doubt anyone sees Elphick as the ideal solution, he is however a solution to us playing Bree and Hutton as CB if anything happened to Chester. And as erratic, and at times utter gash, as he's been at times, to suggest he's worse than the likes of Luna, Sisko, Lescott and Richards to name just a few are the words of a U2 lover!!!!
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None of them cost us, in goals, as consistently as Elphick has. They were all, pretty much, found out and dropped fairly quickly. Elphick played for virtually a whole season and more despite being worse than a night in front of the telly at Damo's house.
Also, he doesn't need to be the only alternative. We have, quite rightly, identified a weakness at goalkeeper and arranged for a replacement to come in from January 1st. We should have the same deal in place for an excellent central defender.
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I doubt anyone sees Elphick as the ideal solution, he is however a solution to us playing Bree and Hutton as CB if anythhing happened to Chester. And as erratic, and at times utter gas, as he's been at times, to suggest he's worse than the likes of Luna, Sisko, Lescott and Richards to name just a few are the words of a U2 lover!!!!
It’s Lovre not lover
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None of them cost us, in goals, as consistently as Elphick has. They were all, pretty much, found out and dropped fairly quickly. Elphick played for virtually a whole season and more despite being worse than a night in front of the telly at Damo's house.
U2 lover!!
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You're dead to me.
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I should imagine Elphick would rather stay at Hull than come back to B6 and get slated every game
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He needs to start games when he comes back. Would rather have him than Bree. Elphick is an organiser and leader even if it hasn't worked out for him at Villa.
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I should imagine Elphick would rather stay at Hull than come back to B6 and get slated every game
Fine by me.
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He gets a clean slate from me. A fresh start under a new manager may be just what he needs.
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Needs must. He can play next two and we'll see how he looks in our set up.
Would expect a new CB in for Wigan away but we all know trying to sign players in January can easily drag.
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can we get RDL back too
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Bree played well today.
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Bree played well today.
He can go to Right back for next game seeing as that was his actual position at Barnsley.
Don't mind AEM but he's been shocking the last month and needs to be taken out of the team for his own good for a while.
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Considering he was getting slaughtered on here for mistakes that don't even register in the top10 fuck-ups his colleagues have managed without him this season, then i don't see a problem. Worse that can happen is he will be crap. Nowt to lose.
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He is no Paul McGrath and is more comparable to the likes of Steve Foster but offers us some much needed cover until we get an adequate replacement in
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Hull have been wicked these last few weeks and he's been part of it so cut the fella some slack. I'd rather him than an auld, out of practice James Collins.
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I'd rather neither. Sign someone good.
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Considering he was getting slaughtered on here for mistakes that don't even register in the top10 fuck-ups his colleagues have managed without him this season, then i don't see a problem. Worse that can happen is he will be crap. Nowt to lose.
If he is crap, we will lose. That is the problem.
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He's costing us nowt, crack on.
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Considering he was getting slaughtered on here for mistakes that don't even register in the top10 fuck-ups his colleagues have managed without him this season, then i don't see a problem. Worse that can happen is he will be crap. Nowt to lose.
If he is crap, we will lose. That is the problem.
I don't think Smith is viewing him as a long term option and hopefully we will buy someone in the next month. However he deserves a chance under smith to prove his worth especially considering the performance of other members of the defence given the same chance. There's a chance our new Manager's style of play may suit him better as Bruce never fancied him but really Elphick playing crap as opposed to another playing crap? Worth the risk i think.
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Elphick plays right side though so it still leaves Chester as left sided centre back.
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I'd rather neither. Sign someone good.
And then depending on who wants to come and if we can afford them .........e.g. Cahill
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I'd rather neither. Sign someone good.
Before QPR?!
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Well, apparently Lovre can play against QPR so no reason why not.
We have conceded one in the last two games so I expect Bree will retain his place for that game anyway. We should have a better defender than Tom Foolery before the Wigan game or I'll be disappointed.
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Come back and be great please Tommy.
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Smith wS very critical of the defence yday. He only praised elmo as one of the better ones
I think elphick will start for bree
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Tommy Elphick looked safe enough in the Hull game I saw on Sky. Very Elphick though scoring at both ends but I don't know if the big deflection he got on the opposition shot got credited as an OG.
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He's actually a centre half for one
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Welcome back Tommy.
Don't fuck it up
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he posted a positive status on twitter which had got a lot of favourable replies
which is nice
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As a club, Hull seem very disappointed that he's gone. He seems to have been more than good enough at Championship level for them, and I'm sure he can for us.
I'd stick him straight in for QPR as he's match fit, and move Bree to RB to replace the current car crash that plays there.
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Bit odd to see an interview for just returning home, but welcome back none the less.
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Speaks respectfully about Adkins and Hull, just as it should be.
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As a club, Hull seem very disappointed that he's gone. He seems to have been more than good enough at Championship level for them, and I'm sure he can for us.
I'd stick him straight in for QPR as he's match fit, and move Bree to RB to replace the current car crash that plays there.
A colleague of mine who is a ST holder at Hull rates him highly. He is sorry to see him go
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I love his attitude. Never sulks despite all the challenges he’s had. Others could learn from him. See McCormack, R.
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I hope Dean can get a tune out of him and I'm heartened by the praise coming from Hull but it won't stop me from being as nervous as a kitten when he turns out for us.
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We do like to take a few risks with our passing
He used to do about one appalling back pass every game. Hope he's kicked that habit
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Welcome back Tommy
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If we don’t pump the ball long constantly with it just coming back time after time and we try and keep possession Tommy will do ok as a stop gap measure.
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I think we may be pleasantly surprised. If Smith wants him back then it may not be just because of injuries. I didn't think he was that bad at the end of Bruce reign, just totally devoid of confidence which happens after 2 years having a manager who doesn't want you and makes no secret of it.
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I think we may be pleasantly surprised. If Smith wants him back then it may not be just because of injuries. I didn't think he was that bad at the end of Bruce reign, just totally devoid of confidence which happens after 2 years having a manager who doesn't want you and makes no secret of it.
Well Dean said he’s playing three right backs and a CB who’s currently playing with an injury in Chester, so Tommy is our only fit CB!
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He certainly did well around this time last year, away at tinypenis.co.uk and our 5-0 against Bristol City.
Good luck to him. Anyone deemed surplus by a useless potato can't be that bad.
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Interesting that Elphicj feels the style that Smith wants to play is similar to Howe and Poyet, two managers under which he did really well.
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Interesting that Elphicj feels the style that Smith wants to play is similar to Howe and Poyet, two managers under which he did really well.
I would think Smith's possession game will suit him a lot more than Bruce's.
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hope he does well, hes 31 i don't know why i thought he was older than that
when he says he made his mind up straight away when he got the call, does he even have a choice ?
good positive words though now lets see it transferred onto the pitch
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hope he does well, hes 31 i don't know why i thought he was older than that
when he says he made his mind up straight away when he got the call, does he even have a choice ?
Contractually?
Let’s ask Brassneck ,!
Maybe Risso could offer some thoughts.
Thrilling
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It would have depended if they’d paid a loan fee.
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It would have depended if they’d paid a loan fee.
Well, I thought that was obvious.
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Fair play to him, I thought he was excellent today- good in the air and looked more comfortable on the ball than Chester ( apart from one woeful cross towards the end.) Like signing a new player.
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He looked SOOOO much more confident than before
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He did well
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Yes, he played well today. Neither of the goals conceded were down to him.
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Express and Star (https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/aston-villa/2019/01/20/tommy-elphick-faltering-aston-villa-need-to-wise-up-at-the-back/)
Tommy Elphick: Faltering Aston Villa need to "wise up" at the back
By Matt Maher
Saturday’s 2-2 home draw with Hull saw Dean Smith’s men fall into the bottom half of the Championship, now seven points behind the top six.
Goals from James Chester and Tammy Abraham earned a point for the hosts, after the visitors took advantage of slack defending to lead 2-0 courtesy of Jarrod Bowen and Evandro.
Villa now possess the division’s third-worst defensive record, having conceded 16 in their last six home games.
And though Elphick believes a top six finish is still in reach, he admits they must stop giving “stupid goals” away.
He said: “They do all seem to be similar – we get caught on the counter or get caught after a mistake.
“We just need to wise up a little bit. The way we are trying to play, we are always going to be susceptible to being countered and conceding goals.
“But I’ve had success playing this way at Bournemouth. We had the second best defence in the league that season. That is where we want to be.”
He continued: “When you see the intensity that we pressed with in the second half on Saturday, it just makes it so much easier for us to get onto the front foot.
“When that pressing is breaks down, we need to become a little bit more savvy and more streetwise and fall into our shape a little bit quicker and make it harder for teams to score.
“We are giving stupid goals away that aren’t good enough for us to be up in the top six at the moment.”
Villa were booed off at half-time but left the field at full-time to applause after their comeback.
“We understand the booing,” said Elphick. “We’ve all been at the club long enough now to understand the frustration of where this club has been and where it wants to go.
“Of course, it hurts. If it doesn’t there is something wrong. It was added motivation to try and turn it around in the second half.
“We set a benchmark there in the second half and that’s what we have to take forward.”
He added: “We have to believe (we can still make the top six) with the talent we’ve got, with the coaching staff we’ve got in place.
“The most important thing for me is the contrast in the two halves. Let’s take the second half and take that forward. If we do, then the wins are only around the corner.
“Once we get that next win, hopefully we will get on a roll.”
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i thought he played well on Saturday, the best defender on our team by a country mile!
When you look at our back 4 though it is so slow, any team that has pace and play a pass and move game, will have a field day against us
Both Hutton (apart from the scuffed cross for Abrahams goal) and Taylor (apart from that tackle half way through the 2nd half) were absolutely woeful and looked as though they are finished at Championship level
And I don't know what to say about our new keeper? he should be done under the trades description Act - whoever has scouted him needs to borrow my glasses!
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But for the keeper we'd have had to 6 nil defeats on the spin and been beaten on Saturday.
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So Ads - you think he did okay on Saturday?
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I think Elphick has done ok since he was recalled.
I've been pleasantly surprised by him
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So Ads - you think he did okay on Saturday?
Elphick or Kalinic?
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Elphick was our best defender on Saturday and I say this after calling him out as shit after his tenth game for us two seasons ago.
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I agree. Elphick is back to the form he was in last new year against Bristol City and Middlesbrough.
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Really impressed by his comeback and character.
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Yes, he's been good since he came back, and has shown that he was very unfairly treated by Bruce.
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Yes, he's been good since he came back, and has shown that he was very unfairly treated by Bruce.
Completely written off by some even though he has done well at this level.
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He was also ok this time last year when Terry was injured. He is a decent back-up centre half.
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He's certainly pleasantly surprised me.
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I've never minded him that much since he's been here anyway.
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Apparently he’s better when he’s not asked to whack it long time after time for it to come right back at the defence and is actually allowed to play it out.
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His distribution has certainly improved. This is something Terry was brilliant at, interceptions and lay-offs to team mates rather than whacking it anywhere.
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When is Tuanzebe back? - maybe there’s an opportunity to try a 3 at the back (Elphick, Mings and AT) and have a more expansive midfield five, using (the currently-inept) Adomah and Elmo as wingbacks and a more mobile three of McGinn, Carroll and (I can’t believe I’m suggesting) BB.
Two up top of Abraham and Davis (with Kodjia coming on after 60 minutes to shake up the attacking options).
Nah, mebbe not!
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As much as it's not his favoured position or his best one AT is still better than any other RB at the club. If he was fit today I would have him at RB, Elphick, Mings and give Hause a go at LB over Taylor.
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As much as it's not his favoured position or his best one AT is still better than any other RB at the club. If he was fit today I would have him at RB, Elphick, Mings and give Hause a go at LB over Taylor.
So four centre backs instead of three r/backs ;) Interesting.
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As much as it's not his favoured position or his best one AT is still better than any other RB at the club. If he was fit today I would have him at RB, Elphick, Mings and give Hause a go at LB over Taylor.
So four centre backs instead of three r/backs ;) Interesting.
A Tony Pullis technique?
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As much as it's not his favoured position or his best one AT is still better than any other RB at the club. If he was fit today I would have him at RB, Elphick, Mings and give Hause a go at LB over Taylor.
So four centre backs instead of three r/backs ;) Interesting.
Haha I suppose so. But different in that the 3rd CB in question is a better RB than our current RB’s vs playing RB’s when we could have played Revan an actual CB irrespective of his age.
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I know what you're getting at.
Although I'm pretty sure Revan isn't ready yet for the first team, though can see why he was given the experience of going on the bench and there wasn't many other options.
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Really impressed by his comeback and character.
Big time...did ok for us last season with his few appearances too. Bruce letting him go on loan to Hull without a replacement truly was mind boggling.
We do miss Tuanzebe's ability on the ball though.
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Depending on how much longer at Man U his rehab is, then match fitness v number of games we have left v would he stay next year.... I don’t think he’ll play for us again especially as DS has 4 other CB options now
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Elphick has impressed me since coming back from Hull. At least we own him.....
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Elphick has impressed me since coming back from Hull. At least we own him.....
Hey Colin welcome to the forum. Not for long I'm afraid. Elphick's current contract runs out on the 30th June. He's impressed me since he's come back too - looks a different player - not sure if this is down to Bruce or the player (or a bit of both?).
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must say I rarely go to games anymore as I live abroad but was Elphick getting a bad vibe from the Villa fans before he went to Hull? If so maybe it was getting away from that environment that helped him get his confidence back?
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Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/football/football-league-blog/2019/feb/06/aston-villa-championship-ben-fisher) article with extensive quotes from Elphick:
Ambling Aston Villa must step up or face another Championship season
Dean Smith’s expensively assembled side go into three crucial matches in sore need of a run of wins but the defender Tommy Elphick expects them to handle the pressure
Ben Fisher
Wed 6 Feb 2019 10.00 GMT Last modified on Wed 6 Feb 2019 10.01 GMT
The good news for Aston Villa is that they can still take points off the eight teams above them but, with 16 games to go, time is running out if the club have designs of avoiding a fourth consecutive season in the Championship. One win from seven matches has left a faltering Villa off the pace, chugging behind in the race to reach the play-offs. For too long, all season in truth, what would be the most expensively assembled squad in the division but for Stoke City have flattered to deceive, a reality that cost Steve Bruce his job and led to the arrival of Dean Smith, who grew up in Great Barr, four miles from Villa Park.
On the horizon, a crucial period of three potential season-defining games in nine days beckons, starting with Sheffield United at home on Friday.
A glance at how Villa compare with their rivals speaks volumes about what has been a distinctly curious season so far: only the bottom club, Ipswich, and Rotherham have conceded more goals than the 46 they have shipped, yet only the leaders, Norwich, and fifth-placed Middlesbrough have lost fewer league matches than Villa’s seven.
Villa have drawn a league joint-high of 13 games, the latest a stalemate at Reading last Saturday. They are four points shy of sixth-placed Bristol City but each of the teams occupying the play-off spots – except Chris Wilder’s Sheffield United in third – have a game in hand. For an ambling Villa, it feels like a case of now or never.
“The focus is totally on trying to get hold of a couple of teams above us and getting into that top six as quick as possible,” said Tommy Elphick, the defender who has impressed since being recalled from a loan spell at Hull last month. “We sat down and had a chat as a group before the Reading game, after the transfer window had closed, to say: ‘This is us now.’ Regardless of what situation you are in at the club, whether you have six months left on your contract or three years, we all realise that if we’re winning games and looking towards the top six then it is better for everyone.
“Together you can move mountains when you get a group that’s all pulling in the same direction.
“Hopefully there’s a good run around the corner from us. If you can string five, six, seven wins on the bounce, looking at a team like Hull where they have come the bottom three to putting themselves in contention after going on a run like that, that’s what we need to be doing. We are well placed to put a run like that together. I think we had a strong window and when we get a couple of players back, it’s only going to make us even stronger.”
If February looks key, January proved crucial as Smith strengthened his squad with the £7m addition of a new No 1 goalkeeper in Lovre Kalinic, the Croatia international. Villa also reinforced at centre-back, paying Bournemouth £1m to borrow Tyrone Mings until May but, most importantly, they retained Tammy Abraham, leaving Wolves disappointed. Some of the outgoings raise questions, though, with Ross McCormack and Scott Hogan – £24m-worth of a squad that cost in excess of £87m – leaving on loan, to Motherwell and Sheffield United respectively, and Villa are no longer paying Yannick Bolasie after the winger’s stay was terminated.
Other high earners, Mile Jedinak and Glenn Whelan, are out of contract in the summer, when Micah Richards, who last played for the club in 2016, is likely to retire after a long-term knee problem. It remains to be seen how Villa fare in terms of financial fair play, although the chief executive, Christian Purslow, has sought to soothe fears that they could fail to meet FFP regulations should they not win promotion. Championship clubs are not permitted to lose more than £39m over a three-season period.
If Villa end up charging into the play-offs, Abraham will likely propel them there. A prolific scorer in the Championship, Abraham is a goal away from hitting the 20-goal landmark for the second time in three seasons.
He is also in line to become the first Villa player to score 20 league goals in a season since Peter Withe – whom Smith used to watch from the Holte End as a kid – in 1980-81. Jonathan Kodjia is the club’s second-highest scorer with six goals but much as Villa could do with sharing the goalscoring load, perhaps more pressing is the need to find a creative solution in the continued absence of Jack Grealish, with the club reluctant to rush the midfielder back from a troubling shin injury.
Villa have won only two of 10 games without Grealish since December. “We can’t be a club that just relies on Jack Grealish,” Elphick said. “That’s unfair on him and it’s not a way to build a team. As good as Jack is, we need to come up with different solutions when the likes of Jack and Tammy might not be available.”
Smith knew on taking the job that he would not be afforded a honeymoon period and Villa must embrace supporters’ expectations as they seek a return to the top flight. “Pressure and playing for Aston Villa should be a privilege,” Elphick said. “But we need to turn that into doing something that is really significant and get us back where the club belongs. With the history of the club and what they’ve won, what we are trying to do is on a much smaller scale, but it is very significant in terms of the direction the club wants to go in the next 10 years.
“I feel the club is in a lot better hands now than what we might have been last year when we were almost gambling with the future of the club to get back up. This manager comes with a structure and a plan that maybe needs a little bit of time to get it where he wants it and, given that time, the club long-term will definitely be able to sustain itself as a top Premier League club again.”
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must say I rarely go to games anymore as I live abroad but was Elphick getting a bad vibe from the Villa fans before he went to Hull? If so maybe it was getting away from that environment that helped him get his confidence back?
The only bad vibe he was getting was from that idiot Spudface.
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That last line is quite loaded.
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I've just listened to this with him and Brian Little. He seems a really good sort. spoti.fi/2SeCRhg
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My nephew Tommy met Tommy elphick today
He was a proper gent
(http://i1204.photobucket.com/albums/bb411/lemsta007/tommy_zpsm5qpriql.jpg) (http://s1204.photobucket.com/user/lemsta007/media/tommy_zpsm5qpriql.jpg.html)
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My nephew Tommy met Tommy elphick today
He was a proper gent
(http://i1204.photobucket.com/albums/bb411/lemsta007/tommy_zpsm5qpriql.jpg) (http://s1204.photobucket.com/user/lemsta007/media/tommy_zpsm5qpriql.jpg.html)
Beautiful!
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Elphick has impressed me since coming back from Hull. At least we own him.....
Hey Colin welcome to the forum. Not for long I'm afraid. Elphick's current contract runs out on the 30th June. He's impressed me since he's come back too - looks a different player - not sure if this is down to Bruce or the player (or a bit of both?).
Thanks for the welcome. I think if he carries on playing well he should get another contract. Depending on which division we are in of course.
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My nephew Tommy met Tommy elphick today
He was a proper gent
(http://i1204.photobucket.com/albums/bb411/lemsta007/tommy_zpsm5qpriql.jpg) (http://s1204.photobucket.com/user/lemsta007/media/tommy_zpsm5qpriql.jpg.html)
Beautiful!
Does your nephew sit on Row 14 Middle Trinity? If so, he and his Mom ( I assume his mom) are lovely.
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My nephew Tommy met Tommy elphick today
He was a proper gent
(http://i1204.photobucket.com/albums/bb411/lemsta007/tommy_zpsm5qpriql.jpg) (http://s1204.photobucket.com/user/lemsta007/media/tommy_zpsm5qpriql.jpg.html)
Beautiful!
Does your nephew sit on Row 14 Middle Trinity? If so, he and his Mom ( I assume his mom) are lovely.
yes thats Denise his mom . . . where abouts are you and what do you look like ? :)
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Amongst all the criticism that I aimed at TE, I always had the desire to be proved completely wrong. I haven't seem him play since he came back so looking forward to it tonight (albeit in TV).
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I think TE is like a horse that runs better when he has a mate with him in his box. Tyrone Mings (if he does not face Madame Guillotine) will bring out the best in him.
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I think the criticism under RDM and when Bruce arrived was justified, he just struggled to settle in. However last season he came in for a few games and did fine before Bruce dumped him and again at the start of this season he played well in the opening game before Bruce dumped him to bring in Jedinak instead. He then did well with Hull and has carried that on since he got back, loaning him out this season was a massive mistake that I've never really understood, it left us ridiculously short in defence.
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I think Bruce thought he'd sign Moukoudi or McKenna.
Regardless, it was a stupid decision.
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I think Bruce thought he'd sign Moukoudi or McKenna.
Regardless, it was a stupid decision.
He probably did but you don't let him go until they're in the room ready to sign the contract, it's as if the Joe Bryan thing taught him nothing.
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He settled in well, behaved like a captain with the staff, new players and fans. He played well to stat with but then Potato Head decided to play his brand of shite and it didn't suit Elphick.
Is it really a surprise that we seem to be getting the player we signed now that we have a progressive manager who likes a similar style of football to Eddie Howe?
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He settled in well, behaved like a captain with the staff, new players and fans. He played well to stat with but then Potato Head decided to play his brand of shite and it didn't suit Elphick.
Is it really a surprise that we seem to be getting the player we signed now that we have a progressive manager who likes a similar style of football to Eddie Howe?
Mostly true but, like a few others, he was guilty of silly mistakes late in games under RDM.
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My nephew Tommy met Tommy elphick today
He was a proper gent
(http://i1204.photobucket.com/albums/bb411/lemsta007/tommy_zpsm5qpriql.jpg) (http://s1204.photobucket.com/user/lemsta007/media/tommy_zpsm5qpriql.jpg.html)
That's brilliant people get on Tommy's back but it's great when he stops for a picture with the fan's top picture Juan Pablo.
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Didn't he get caught making comments about Bruce on a train and then was quickly binned ? If Bruce had of been on the trains back from Witton after the games he was in charge he would of heard far worse.
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Nice picture, I bumped into Tommy after a game at VP, he was friendly and came across as a very decent bloke.
Another one treated badly by Bruce.
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He was good again.
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Should be captain.
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Thought he was shaky tbh.
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Thought he was a 6 in a sea of 4s and 5s
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My nephew Tommy met Tommy elphick today
He was a proper gent
(http://i1204.photobucket.com/albums/bb411/lemsta007/tommy_zpsm5qpriql.jpg) (http://s1204.photobucket.com/user/lemsta007/media/tommy_zpsm5qpriql.jpg.html)
Beautiful!
Does your nephew sit on Row 14 Middle Trinity? If so, he and his Mom ( I assume his mom) are lovely.
yes thats Denise his mom . . . where abouts are you and what do you look like ? :)
I'm seat 27, one of the 3 women in the centre of the row. I'll say hello to them next week. My nephew Tommy met Tommy elphick today
He was a proper gent
(http://i1204.photobucket.com/albums/bb411/lemsta007/tommy_zpsm5qpriql.jpg) (http://s1204.photobucket.com/user/lemsta007/media/tommy_zpsm5qpriql.jpg.html)
Beautiful!
Does your nephew sit on Row 14 Middle Trinity? If so, he and his Mom ( I assume his mom) are lovely.
yes thats Denise his mom . . . where abouts are you and what do you look like ? :)
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Solid on the whole but out done by ' Mopey ' for the goal.
Elphick has done ok but as commentary said he was out muscled a few times by the smaller man.
Got rolled by mopey in trying to nick ball ahead of him and too often he makes the wrong decision that proves costly.
That was saved by Kalinic but come final minutes Tommy does what he does best or doesn't do which is be efficient in defending .
Such a shame as he has performance has been ok but he makes these wrong moves despite generally defending well
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I'll actually be gutted if he's done for the season. It didn't look good but his partnership with Mings is/was looking so good. I wonder how far Chester is away from playing?
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On crutches after the game according to Smith - given he left the pitch on a stretcher I'm actually taking that as a good sign! It's better than leaving in a wheelchair!
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Sounds like he's damaged ankle ligaments - could be 4-6 weeks out.
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We could do worse than offering him another years contract. Hope he's back quickly.
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I'll actually be gutted if he's done for the season. It didn't look good but his partnership with Mings is/was looking so good. I wonder how far Chester is away from playing?
Gutted for Elphick. He put an absolute beaut of a reducer in on one of their players.
Chester hasn't even't been mentioned in press conferences of late, so I'd guess he's nowhere near coming back.
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Tuanzebe is only 2 weeks away from returning according to Smith
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Presume Hause and Mings will play next Sunday at centre half
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Very likely. Taylor at LB
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I'll actually be gutted if he's done for the season. It didn't look good but his partnership with Mings is/was looking so good. I wonder how far Chester is away from playing?
Chester said he wasn't that far away from returning in an interview in the week. Think it will be a case of needs must as it's not the sort of game you'd really want to throw a young CB like Revan into.
Other option is Taylor at LB and Hause centrally alongside Mings.
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I suspect if he is Injured , Chester will be patched up next week
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Sorry to hear about Tommy's injury but at least we now have some options.
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Ideally, I'd like Chester to come in as it's only 1 change whereas moving Hause over means changing 3 positions. That said, I'd have to be sure that Chester was ready because he was woeful prior to being taken out of the firing line.
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Chester would at least be playing on the right side.
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We could do worse than offering him another years contract. Hope he's back quickly.
Definitely, we should. He has been decent since he came back
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are we going to be able to a contract next year, given our financial state?
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are we going to be able to a contract next year, given our financial state?
I'm sure the owners will pull some amazing sponsorship deal out of the bag to tide us over.
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Would Elphick be happy going back to being a squad player though? I can't see him starting ahead of Chester, or Axel if we get him on loan again.
He's been OK since he came back, nothing more. 1 game recently (possibly Stoke) he made a couple of his special errors that were almost costly. I don't think he can play the ball out of defence either - As Smith would like.
Me personally, I think it's the right time for him to move on. It hasn't quite worked as well as he would have hoped here. However, his attitude and commitment have been first class and I would wish him well if he decided to take advantage of being out of contract.
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Express & Star (https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/aston-villa/2019/03/04/aston-villa-defender-tommy-elphick-ruled-out-for-six-weeks-with-foot-injury/)
Aston Villa defender Tommy Elphick ruled out for six weeks with foot injury
Villa have been dealt a serious blow after defender Tommy Elphick was ruled out for around six weeks with a foot injury.
By Matt Maher | Aston Villa | Published: 1 hour ago
Elphick left Saturday’s 4-0 win over Derby on a stretcher and a scan has since revealed he tore a ligament at the base of his foot.
Though not as serious as first feared, the injury is expected to keep the 31-year-old sidelined until mid-April.
The timing is dreadful for both Elphick and Villa, who are aiming to mount a late play-off charge following the return to fitness of Jack Grealish.
With Alan Hutton also facing a lengthy spell on the sidelines with an ankle injury, boss Dean Smith suddenly finds himself with a paucity of options in a defence still missing both Axel Tuanzebe and captain James Chester.
The latter pair are not expected back until after this month’s international break at the earliest, meaning Villa must enter a potentially season-defining week with loan duo Kortney Hause and Tyrone Mings as their only recognised centre-backs.
Smith’s men face promotion rivals Blues, Nottingham Forest and Middlesbrough in the space of seven days, beginning with this Sunday’s Second City derby at St Andrew’s.
Elphick, meanwhile, has seen his hopes of earning a new deal at Villa Park suffer a setback.
The former Bournemouth skipper, one of several players out of contract in the summer, had started Villa’s last 10 Championship games after being recalled by Smith from Hull, where he spent the first half of the season on loan.
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Lazy journalism alert. I don’t see how getting injured has anything to with him getting a new deal or not. Surely the achieving of new deal is so much more than that. His play was good, he’s a solid person and leader around the club and at 31 not at all past it.
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Express & Star (https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/aston-villa/2019/03/04/aston-villa-defender-tommy-elphick-ruled-out-for-six-weeks-with-foot-injury/)
Aston Villa defender Tommy Elphick ruled out for six weeks with foot injury
Villa have been dealt a serious blow after defender Tommy Elphick was ruled out for around six weeks with a foot injury.
By Matt Maher | Aston Villa | Published: 1 hour ago
Elphick left Saturday’s 4-0 win over Derby on a stretcher and a scan has since revealed he tore a ligament at the base of his foot.
Though not as serious as first feared, the injury is expected to keep the 31-year-old sidelined until mid-April.
The timing is dreadful for both Elphick and Villa, who are aiming to mount a late play-off charge following the return to fitness of Jack Grealish.
With Alan Hutton also facing a lengthy spell on the sidelines with an ankle injury, boss Dean Smith suddenly finds himself with a paucity of options in a defence still missing both Axel Tuanzebe and captain James Chester.
The latter pair are not expected back until after this month’s international break at the earliest, meaning Villa must enter a potentially season-defining week with loan duo Kortney Hause and Tyrone Mings as their only recognised centre-backs.
Smith’s men face promotion rivals Blues, Nottingham Forest and Middlesbrough in the space of seven days, beginning with this Sunday’s Second City derby at St Andrew’s.
Elphick, meanwhile, has seen his hopes of earning a new deal at Villa Park suffer a setback.
The former Bournemouth skipper, one of several players out of contract in the summer, had started Villa’s last 10 Championship games after being recalled by Smith from Hull, where he spent the first half of the season on loan.
How many black cats have we run over ffs. Can't we ever get a break (no pun intended) It seems like no sooner do we get one back than another player is out for weeks/months.
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I suspect if he is Injured , Chester will be patched up next week
I hope not. The point of bringing in Mings and Hause was so we didn't have to do that. I'd personally put Hause in for Elphick and play Taylor.
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You play Taylor and watch the opposition have a field day on his side again. He's mince.
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Taylor....shudders.
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Lazy journalism alert. I don’t see how getting injured has anything to with him getting a new deal or not. Surely the achieving of new deal is so much more than that. His play was good, he’s a solid person and leader around the club and at 31 not at all past it.
Of course it does. If he played through to the end of the season in really good form it would have made a great case for a new contract. As it is he's had a decent spell but it may well not be enough to convince Smith he is right for the long term.
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Rock on Tommy....
(https://i.ibb.co/D4vwH3h/D1-T-Va-DW0-AAM2l-P.jpg) (https://ibb.co/D4vwH3h)
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Wow that is actually him!! Fair play Tommy.
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A picture that shows why I love this set of players. They might not be the best, but they don't half care.
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A picture that shows why I love this set of players. They might not be the best, but they don't half care.
Seems that way doesn't it?
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Players that care you can’t beat that, compare that with the other Lot
what got us relegated with Richards & Co
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I think the guy to his left our right with the beard and glasses is one of the kit men and the two just above are employed by club in some way too.
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Top class. Give the guy another year.
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Good lad Tommy.
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Were Tayles and Gabby in there too? Luke Moore would have been the icing on the cake.
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Were Tayles and Gabby in there too? Luke Moore would have been the icing on the cake.
Callum Robinson was
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I think the guy to his left our right with the beard and glasses is one of the kit men and the two just above are employed by club in some way too.
That kit man is a therapist
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Tommy was very obliging to fans wanting pics at half time & his celebration proves to me that he can't be that bad a fella!
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I think the guy to his left our right with the beard and glasses is one of the kit men and the two just above are employed by club in some way too.
That kit man is a therapist
Ah yeah, big_al_28 ....thought he was a kit man, sorry.
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Great to see the positive togetherness at the club. Photos on the avfc website today are good too.
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Craig Gardner looks like he's slumping there.
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Craig Gardner looks like he's slumping there.
Kevin
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If only Gardner was turning the other way and Smith upper cut him, eye for an eye like ;)
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If only Gardner was turning the other way and Smith upper cut him, eye for an eye like ;)
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Tommy also released alongside Hutts and Adomah, according to Gregg Evans.
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Thanks Tommy and good luck!
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Yep, good pro, always gave his all but never really got going. Good luck to him.
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Thanks Tommy. Good luck.
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Thank you for your contribution Tommy and the best of luck for the future. I'll never forget the image of you celebrating Jack's goal at St Andrew's whist you were out injured and sitting with the fans.
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Proper pro , and seems all round good chap. Under different circumstances he could have done well here
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A championship club will get a good player there. All the mental qualities you need in that division.
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back to Hull a strong possibility I think.
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Good luck Tommy. 👍🏿
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After coming back in and getting us out the shit when we had no cover at Centre Back, he goes with my blessing.
I really hope he gets a move that suits him.
Thanks Tommy - good luck
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Top bloke.
Wish him well.
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Tommy Elphick
Verified account @TommyElph4
1h1 hour ago
Thank you @AVFCOfficial it’s been a privilege to captain and play for you. So happy for the players, staff and fans to be back in the prem and end on a high.
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Top bloke.
Wish him well.
My thoughts as well, all the best!
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Best of luck Tommy.
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Thanks Tommy ....good wishes to you and your family
You have been a true professional in your time with the Villa
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Thanks Tommy. A true pro. Wish you all the best for the future.
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A terribly bad player but a true professional. Good luck.
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Thanks for your service to the Claret and Blue Tommy lad, a true pro
---best of luck for the future.
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A terribly bad player but a true professional. Good luck.
Terribly bad? That's very harsh.
Anyway, good luck to you Tommy, cheers for full-blooded shifts.
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A terribly bad player but a true professional. Good luck.
Why do you feel the need to stick the boot in like that? He was extremely useful in the period after Christmas when we were short at the back and whilst it was only a few games they were vital ones and he performed admirably.
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Same as Hutton, Jedi and Albert.
True pro, always gave everything and will always be welcome back at VP.
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Thanks for all your effort and professionalism, good luck in the future
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Well Bournemouth decided he wasn’t good enough for PL so I’m pretty sure he won’t have been surprised by this
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A terribly bad player but a true professional. Good luck.
Why do you feel the need to stick the boot in like that? He was extremely useful in the period after Christmas when we were short at the back and whilst it was only a few games they were vital ones and he performed admirably.
Agreed. Unnecessary apart from anything else.
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A terribly bad player but a true professional. Good luck.
Is there actually any need for this?
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He clearly cared for the club and took the responsibility on his shoulders. Also did the job to the best of his abilities. Plenty of players over the past few years wouldn’t be fit to lace his boots on that score.
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A terribly bad player but a true professional. Good luck.
Is there actually any need for this?
I think there is a need to recognise his professionalism and also wish him good luck.
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A terribly bad player but a true professional. Good luck.
Is there actually any need for this?
I think there is a need to recognise his professionalism and also wish him good luck.
Haha. Same here.
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He was awful at times, especially the first season, just because he's leaving doesn't change that. He seems a good pro and person and I wish him all the best, not going to pretend those dog awful performances didn't happen though.
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Good luck to him.
I’d be interested in reading his thoughts on his time here as he never really looked like the player we thought we’d signed.
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He was awful at times, especially the first season, just because he's leaving doesn't change that. He seems a good pro and person and I wish him all the best, not going to pretend those dog awful performances didn't happen though.
That's true, but you could say the same about most members of the squad to be honest.
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He suffered more than most from the tactics deployed in that first season, he and Baker made a very immobile pairing and the lack of a decent DM made it easy for opposition to slip balls in the side of him and make him look even worse.
He may have looked better later when we became more compact under SB, who obviously didnt fancy him, despite him being a similar type of player to himself in his playing days.
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his best moves were reserved for head butting the posts before kick-off.
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Great pro, had his best stints for us mid-season in the last two years and was well-regarded in his loan spell at Hull.
Would have been decent back-up for another year in the Ch'ship but the last game I think he played for us, I had a good view of him in the cold at Brentford when for 90 minutes he had done an excellent job in fending off the Brentford attack until Maupay rolled him to hit the winner.
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Started poorly but when used in the last two seasons put in some decent performances. I guess he’ll go back to Hull and hopefully he’ll do well for them again.
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Great professional who was treated very badly by Bruce ...always positive comments and good luck in the future
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He was awful at times, especially the first season, just because he's leaving doesn't change that. He seems a good pro and person and I wish him all the best, not going to pretend those dog awful performances didn't happen though.
His recall from loan is one reason we are back in the Premier League, he was a competent centre half and a leader when we needed it. Plus, he stood with the fans when we beat Birmingham. He could have just sulked.
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Will be a decent signing for someone in the Championship, especially on a free. Reports were that he did well on loan at Hull, so would be a good addition for someone like them.
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He was awful at times, especially the first season, just because he's leaving doesn't change that. He seems a good pro and person and I wish him all the best, not going to pretend those dog awful performances didn't happen though.
His recall from loan is one reason we are back in the Premier League, he was a competent centre half and a leader when we needed it. Plus, he stood with the fans when we beat Birmingham. He could have just sulked.
We won 2 of 10. As I said there's a lot to like about him and he has my best wises for the future, but it doesn't change that he was a lot more miss than hit when he played.
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He was awful at times, especially the first season, just because he's leaving doesn't change that. He seems a good pro and person and I wish him all the best, not going to pretend those dog awful performances didn't happen though.
His recall from loan is one reason we are back in the Premier League, he was a competent centre half and a leader when we needed it. Plus, he stood with the fans when we beat Birmingham. He could have just sulked.
He also confirms the importance and the difference a decent coach can make to a player.
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He was awful at times, especially the first season, just because he's leaving doesn't change that. He seems a good pro and person and I wish him all the best, not going to pretend those dog awful performances didn't happen though.
His recall from loan is one reason we are back in the Premier League, he was a competent centre half and a leader when we needed it. Plus, he stood with the fans when we beat Birmingham. He could have just sulked.
He also confirms the importance and the difference a decent coach can make to a player.
Exactly
Bruce did him no favors at all.
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Signs two year deal with Huddersfield
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Best of Luck Tom, ya mad fecker!
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Good for him. Good luck Tommy
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Good luck Tommy.
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Yeah good luck Tommy
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Yep, all the best.
No complaints from me, when called upon he did his bit with little fuss or issue. Pity that's not a recurring theme.
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Thank you Tommy and all the best
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Was wondering when some of our old boys would find clubs. Always gave his all and never sulked when he was left out. Good luck Tommy 👍🏿
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Always remember him for being in the away end, when he was injured, for our trip to the slum dwellers, class, all the very best!
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Fair play to him, that's a decent move. Good luck.
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Best of Luck Tom, ya mad fecker!
Huddersfield have just ordered some reinforced goal posts
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Fans dont mind if you put a shift in and dont moan.
More professionals could learn from that.
Good luck Tommy.
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Good luck Tommy, and thanks.
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Thank you for your professionalism and experience Tom.
All the best!
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Top bloke.
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Huddersfield fans will love him.
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Good Luck Tommy.
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Good luck and hope you remain injury free, should do well if so.