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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Ads on June 16, 2015, 11:45:46 AM
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Reports in the French press that we've had a bid accepted for Jordan Amavi, a young French left back.
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TalkShite are reporting it in addition:
http://talksport.com/football/reports-aston-villa-have-bid-accepted-nice-defender-jordan-amavi-150616150924
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Talkshite (http://talksport.com/football/reports-aston-villa-have-bid-accepted-nice-defender-jordan-amavi-150616150924)
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Now this and Micah Richards as a start of our transfer business would be very encouraging!
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where in the back does he play ??
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where in the back does he play ??
Left back.
Richards right back, Amavi left back is a whole lot better than Bacuna and Richardson.
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where in the back does he play ??
LB. Hopefully the only LB I see for a while. I'm tired of the f**kers.
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where in the back does he play ??
LB. Hopefully the only LB I see for a while. I'm tired of the f**kers.
Cissokho, Luna, Bennett, Richardson. A complete Lambert clusterfuck of attempts to buy a decent fullback. 4 players all still on the wage bill probably picking up £60k at least between them all and costing £6-7m to buy. In other words probably nearly £20m on shite fullbacks.
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where in the back does he play ??
Left back.
Richards right back, Amavi left back is a whole lot better than Bacuna and Richardson.
we do need to improve , have you seen him ?
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where in the back does he play ??
LB. Hopefully the only LB I see for a while. I'm tired of the f**kers.
Cissokho, Luna, Bennett, Richardson. A complete Lambert clusterfuck of attempts to buy a decent fullback. 4 players all still on the wage bill probably picking up £60k at least between them all and costing £6-7m to buy. In other words probably nearly £20m on shite fullbacks.
True but clusterfuck is a great word :D
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I've seen reports that the guy isn't that keen to come, which doesn't sound like the most encouraging start.
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Would be a really encouraging signing. Hope it happens!
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I've seen reports that the guy isn't that keen to come, which doesn't sound like the most encouraging start.
oh dear oh well ready to boo him when he rocks up at Spurzzzz
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I've seen reports that the guy isn't that keen to come, which doesn't sound like the most encouraging start.
I saw that too, but you'd think that the offer of English wages, the chance to advertise himself in our league, a word from Tim and the strong possibility that some nutter Yanks will be chucking millions at us might sway him.
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I've seen reports that the guy isn't that keen to come, which doesn't sound like the most encouraging start.
I saw that too, but you'd think that the offer of English wages, the chance to advertise himself in our league, a word from Tim and the strong possibility that some nutter Yanks will be chucking millions at us might sway him.
Hopefully we know where he lives and/or have compromising photographs of him.
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I've seen reports that the guy isn't that keen to come, which doesn't sound like the most encouraging start.
If he's seen Villa performances for the last four years you can understand why he's not too keen. Perhaps Tim can convince him the future's bright ::)
Arsenal are also said to be interested so if he's any good we might be not his first choice.
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According to YouTube he's a definite upgrade on what we have already. Then again that's not too difficult to achieve.
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I've seen reports that the guy isn't that keen to come, which doesn't sound like the most encouraging start.
He's French.
Perhaps he's seen the effect on Zog's dress sense since he's been with us!
And just the effect on Zog generally.
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We probably have to strike quickly and offer him a shitload of money in doing so. Even then, some other team in a better situation than us will probably hijack things at the last minute.
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Can't say i've ever heard of him, which is not a bad thing really.
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Links like this dismiss the constant theory that Sherwood is only after Spurs or ex Spurs players.
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where in the back does he play ??
LB. Hopefully the only LB I see for a while. I'm tired of the f**kers.
Cissokho, Luna, Bennett, Richardson. A complete Lambert clusterfuck of attempts to buy a decent fullback. 4 players all still on the wage bill probably picking up £60k at least between them all and costing £6-7m to buy. In other words probably nearly £20m on shite fullbacks.
In fairness, I think Richardson is OK a squad option covering the odd game in midfield or at LB.
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in fairness I don't think we have sorted this position out since before Lerner was here
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Links like this dismiss the constant theory that Sherwood is only after Spurs or ex Spurs players.
Way to early to draw a conclusion on what his transfer activity will be like, one way or another.
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Links like this dismiss the constant theory that Sherwood is only after Spurs or ex Spurs players.
Well, not really.
Actual signings would, though.
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A few Twatterers are also suggesting we're in for his team-mate Valentin Eyserric too, a playmaker, and a player that I've only ever heard of because of a horror-tackle that snapped an opponent's leg in half and lead to an 11 game ban!
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Isn't he supposed to be really good? Fingers crossed.
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A few Twatterers are also suggesting we're in for his team-mate Valentin Eyserric too, a playmaker, and a player that I've only ever heard of because of a horror-tackle that snapped an opponent's leg in half and lead to an 11 game ban!
Well, it would be a change to have a signing who was out all the time because he was suspended rather than being out all the time because he was injured.
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Seems like our only competition is Arsenal at the moment, but with Gibbs and Monreal his first team action would no doubt be limited. Let's hope he gives us a shot..
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Just had a look at his own Twitter page. He's re-tweeted a couple of things that would suggest he's on the move, although nothing directly mentioning Villa. This could be a go-er.
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Not interested in him. He wasn't on footyskillz list so he's bound to be rubbish.
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Not interested in him. He wasn't on footyskillz list so he's bound to be rubbish.
Yeah, but if we sign decent players like this it will help to attract the real quality like Altidore and Spearing because they will see we are going places.
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and we haven't had a decent left back since Alan Wright/Steve Staunton era.
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Let's hope he don't do a David unsworth
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and we haven't had a decent left back since Alan Wright/Steve Staunton era.
Bouma?
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Everything I have read today suggests this is a really good prospect we could be signing
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Everything I have read today suggests this is a really good prospect we could be signing
He is, I very nearly put him on my list of 'the type of players we should look at' in the transfer thread but I'd just read that Arsenal were interested so I left him out. He's just had a brilliant season by all accounts and looks like he's got a massive future, this is a genuinely exciting link because it's exactly the market we should be shopping in.
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Forget stats and YouTube montages, is he any good on FIFA ?
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Forget stats and YouTube montages, is he any good on FIFA ?
and Football Manager
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I can't believe I just went to the effort of finding out, but according to both FM and FIFA15 his technical and mental stats are pretty average but the physicals are very good.
From this totally scientific and accurate data I can deduce that he would be a good signing.
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I can't believe I just went to the effort of finding out, but according to both FM and FIFA15 his technical and mental stats are pretty average but the physicals are very good.
From this totally scientific and accurate data I can deduce that he would be a good signing.
Thanks. I'm now happy with this signing .
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A French journo says he'll sign for Lyon eventually.
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A French journo says he'll sign for Lyon eventually.
And another article has us meeting the asking price for both Nice players and Lyon not able to. So who knows what the truth is.
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According to YouTube he's a definite upgrade on what we have already. Then again that's not too difficult to achieve.
I do love transfer window time and the obligatory YouTube videos of players we might be linked with. To all I say Beware the Ides of Tonev.
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Seen it reported second hand that he's not interested but can't really see if there's any substance to that
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Seen it reported second hand that he's not interested but can't really see if there's any substance to that
Substance ? Who needeth that
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It's quite possible that he has a very high opinion of himself and is targeting a Champions League club. It's early in the summer though so if he were to realise that those clubs aren't coming in for him and he speaks to Sherwood and learns more about the club, he might well see it as a good opportunity (though likely see us as a stepping stone).
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Yes please! He wouldn't come cheap I would have thought considering he is a French international fullback and was probably the best LB in Ligue 1 over the course of the season. 11 yellow cards over the season means he probably gets stuck in a bit too so hopefully he can defend instead of just being an attacking fullback.
Only 5'9" though, and I prefer my back line to be a little more statuesque... especially since Okore is only 6'. I had a feeling we would go for a French left back but figured it would be Layvin Kazawa from AS Monaco, so this is probably even better.
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Yes please! He wouldn't come cheap I would have thought considering he is a French international fullback and was probably the best LB in Ligue 1 over the course of the season. 11 yellow cards over the season means he probably gets stuck in a bit too so hopefully he can defend instead of just being an attacking fullback.
Only 5'9" though, and I prefer my back line to be a little more statuesque... especially since Okore is only 6'. I had a feeling we would go for a French left back but figured it would be Layvin Kazawa from AS Monaco, so this is probably even better.
What about Evra?
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What about Evra?
Horrible wanker
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Looks great on You tube montage but really - some of the football and individual crapness of that league leaves a lot to be desired
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It's quite possible that he has a very high opinion of himself and is targeting a Champions League club. It's early in the summer though so if he were to realise that those clubs aren't coming in for him and he speaks to Sherwood and learns more about the club, he might well see it as a good opportunity (though likely see us as a stepping stone).
Benteke said when he signed he saw us as a stepping stone. It's not great to hear but the reality is with the exception of Real Madrid and Barcelona, every club is a stepping stone.
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Yes please! He wouldn't come cheap I would have thought considering he is a French international fullback and was probably the best LB in Ligue 1 over the course of the season. 11 yellow cards over the season means he probably gets stuck in a bit too so hopefully he can defend instead of just being an attacking fullback.
Only 5'9" though, and I prefer my back line to be a little more statuesque... especially since Okore is only 6'. I had a feeling we would go for a French left back but figured it would be Layvin Kazawa from AS Monaco, so this is probably even better.
in France this would suggest he got his make up and colour co-ordination wrong
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Hope he joins us.
Having seen Nice a couple of weeks ago, I think Villa should offer him a flat overlooking the Gas Street Basin canals. It won't be the same as the beach but it's close.
He could keep his yacht there.
Some shutters, a balcony, and a big square nearby - home from home!
I forgot the Michelin restaurants, airport and trams ( nearly there).
Hardly tell the difference, really.
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It's quite possible that he has a very high opinion of himself and is targeting a Champions League club. It's early in the summer though so if he were to realise that those clubs aren't coming in for him and he speaks to Sherwood and learns more about the club, he might well see it as a good opportunity (though likely see us as a stepping stone).
Benteke said when he signed he saw us as a stepping stone. It's not great to hear but the reality is with the exception of Real Madrid and Barcelona, every club is a stepping stone.
It might pan out that way with some of the clubs he's been linked to and if he has another good year with us and a good European Championships. It works both ways though, we would have gone down without him and if we get more top players who see us as a stepping stone, we'll gradually climb the table.
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Looks great on You tube montage but really - some of the football and individual crapness of that league leaves a lot to be desired
Sounds a bit like the Premier League.
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Looks great on You tube montage but really - some of the football and individual crapness of that league leaves a lot to be desired
Sounds a bit like the Premier League.
Sounds like most leagues these days.
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It's quite possible that he has a very high opinion of himself and is targeting a Champions League club. It's early in the summer though so if he were to realise that those clubs aren't coming in for him and he speaks to Sherwood and learns more about the club, he might well see it as a good opportunity (though likely see us as a stepping stone).
LlBenteke said when he signed he saw us as a stepping stone. It's not great to hear but the reality is with the exception of Real Madrid and Barcelona, every club is a stepping stone.
He would also require a few gangs of pickpockets and drug-dealers on the square
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It's quite possible that he has a very high opinion of himself and is targeting a Champions League club. It's early in the summer though so if he were to realise that those clubs aren't coming in for him and he speaks to Sherwood and learns more about the club, he might well see it as a good opportunity (though likely see us as a stepping stone).
Benteke said when he signed he saw us as a stepping stone. It's not great to hear but the reality is with the exception of Real Madrid and Barcelona, every club is a stepping stone.
Quite and that policy appears to have served Southampton well.
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I heard that he'd rejected us as well
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The problem with social media is 1 person posts something on twitter or facebook along the lines of 'I know someone who lives in nice and they've been told that he doesn't want to leave'. This gets picked up by 10 more people, some quote the original source but most don't so now you have what appears to be 6-7 different sources for him not wanting to join and they all start being picked up and when someone down the line hears from 2 or 3 of those it becomes fact.
I'm not saying it's not true, I have no idea, but when the only reports are rumours on twitter, etc I take them with a pinch of salt. Of course we not have bid or be interested because there's no official source for that either.
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We don't have the best record with French players... Six, Ginola, Berson, the Djembas.
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We don't have the best record with French players... Six, Ginola, Berson, the Djembas.
Djembas, don't think he was French. Zog is mind.
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We don't have the best record with French players... Six, Ginola, Berson, the Djembas.
Djembas, don't think he was French. Zog is mind.
Pires
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Djemba was Cameroon, although he played in the French league. Berson looked really good, but never settled. A bit like Makoun.
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Djemba was Cameroon, although he played in the French league. Berson looked really good, but never settled. A bit like Makoun.
Frank Barson was good I thought?
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Djemba was Cameroon, although he played in the French league. Berson looked really good, but never settled. A bit like Makoun.
Frank Barson was good I thought?
Franque Barson you mean ;)
UTV
The Doc
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This one appears to have gone very quiet.
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Has he gone to Lyon yet?
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Aston Villa have tabled a £9million bid for Nice left-back Jordan Amavi.
Tim Sherwood made the offer yesterday and hopes for permission to fly in the young defender this weekend.
Amavi, a France Under-21, was hotly tipped to move this summer, with many leading clubs interested, but Villa have jumped to the front of the queue after putting cash on the table.
Sherwood insists his side needs cover at left-back and Amavi, 21, is both a quick defender and comfortable going forward.
Nice are prepared to sell and insiders revealed that the fee has been ‘virtually agreed’.
Villa have also just completed a £9m deal for Lille’s midfield dynamo Idrissa Gueye.
It is a coup for Villa with Gueye snubbing French giants Marseille because he fancies playing in the Premier League.
The 25-year-old passed a medical and finalised terms on a four-year contract yesterday — subject to international clearance.
And the Senegalese star becomes Villa’s biggest deal for four-and-a-half years since Darren Bent signed from Sunderland in an £18m deal which rose to £24m.
Gueye said: “Everyone knows England has a league that attracts me, now this is a dream move.”
Southampton, West Ham and Crystal Palace all bid for Gueye, who played over 130 games for Ligue 1 Lille.
But Villa insist Gueye is not a replacement for England midfielder Fabian Delph, 25, who has an £8m release clause in his deal and is on Manchester City’s radar.
Sources close to the club say Villa expect Delph and Spurs and Liverpool target Christian Benteke to be on board when Villa fly to Albufeira for pre- season training next week.
And Sherwood is still optimistic about landing Dutch midfielder Tjaronn Chery, 27, as Groningen prepare to accept a £3.5m offer.
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I would say he's a bit more than cover if we're prepared to bid £9m for a left back. Looks like we're finally showing some teeth.
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Thought that was the old story from a few weeks back. 9m for him aswell....blimey.
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Either new owners are in or Lerner has had change of policy. Bodes well though.
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I thought the same until the last half of the article.
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Very positive report if true...bring in genuine young European talent, keep hold of our best players...thats the kind of news that we want to be hearing this summer. If what SVC said has any merit then we could be in for an interesting and exciting season.
To be fair, the signings we are making under Sherwood do bode very well for the future, so if he can get Delph and Benteke focused to stay for another season, then just may be we wont be that far off where they want to be come the end of the season anyway and they'll have a harder decision to make if they can see the growing potential of the squad. Obviously a good season with Villa pretty much guarantees them a spot in their national teams for the Euros too.
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I would say he's a bit more than cover if we're prepared to bid £9m for a left back. Looks like we're finally showing some teeth.
He will be cover for Joe Bennett I think lol
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And Joe Bennett definitely needs cover when he is on the pitch!
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Lets hope we never get to see that again, Fulham apparently after him
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The Sun are saying we've bid £9 million for him.
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Bloody hell have we stop pretending we are Wigan?
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According to a certain forum, he passed a medical at BMH on June 19th. The thread has since been locked. Any guesses which forum?
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According to a certain forum, he passed a medical at BMH on June 19th. The thread has since been locked. Any guesses which forum?
The Bellends Are Rancid?
Anyway more to the point, why have we been keeping him stashed away in one of Sherwood's filing cabinets for the last 2 weeks?
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According to a certain forum, he passed a medical at BMH on June 19th. The thread has since been locked. Any guesses which forum?
The Bellends Are Rancid?
Anyway more to the point, why have we been keeping him stashed away in one of Sherwood's filing cabinets for the last 2 weeks?
TBAR truly is the resting place of the dead and desperate. Not one piece of information that has come out of there has been remotely accurate yet those that still frequent it claw to hope that one day one of their darts will hit a target.
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According to a certain forum, he passed a medical at BMH on June 19th. The thread has since been locked. Any guesses which forum?
Ah, but was it confirmed by two or more schizophrenics?
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Didnt we already have a bid accepted by his club around 16th June?.
Is this bid a new one?
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I wonder if we will actually get any money for Aly.
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According to a certain forum, he passed a medical at BMH on June 19th. The thread has since been locked. Any guesses which forum?
Ah, but was it confirmed by two or more schizophrenics?
and refuted by the same number
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why are we flying to Nice to tempt him to B6? At least Mr Gueye had the gumption to get on a flight himself! This doesn't bode well if we have to send out advance scouting parties to Mediterranean hotspots to snag a player. I might well be wrong but the last time we did this it ended badly - didn't a Villa delegation fly out to France to bag Makoun?
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What, trying hard to land a player we want? Tsk whatever next - offering them a competitive salary? How ridiculous.
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There was a time when we wouldn't sign anyone unless they walked to Villa park barefoot and prostrated themselves in front of the Holte End for 40 days and nights, with only bread and water to sustain them.
How far we have fallen........
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why are we flying to Nice to tempt him to B6? At least Mr Gueye had the gumption to get on a flight himself! This doesn't bode well if we have to send out advance scouting parties to Mediterranean hotspots to snag a player. I might well be wrong but the last time we did this it ended badly - didn't a Villa delegation fly out to France to bag Makoun?
How needlessly doomish is that?
What's wrong with going out to talk about a player? Look at our status in the game for the last five years. Awful. We are going to have to work harder than, say, in the MON money era, when we were sixth place finishers to land players.
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Has he not got our crest tattooed on his forehead yet? F**k him.
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doesn't anybody on here get irony? that was the point of my post - needlessly doomish FFS!
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doesn't anybody on here get irony? that was the point of my post - needlessly doomish FFS!
Its hard to pick up sarcasm on the internet!
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doesn't anybody on here get irony? that was the point of my post - needlessly doomish FFS!
Its hard to pick up sarcasm on the internet!
Yehhhhhhhh it is !!!
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doesn't anybody on here get irony? that was the point of my post - needlessly doomish FFS!
Sorry (I'm not).
Seriously though it is really hard to tell. I'm not on here enough to know when someone is serious or not. Apart from the obvious ones that is.
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We have,by al accounts tabled a 9mil bid with his club which,by all accounts, they have accepted. This is the player we really really need, more I would suggest,than any of the others we have bid for. We must get him even if we have to pay wages well over the odds. If we do I think we have a really good chance of moving on up into the higher echelons of the table.
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This guy does not want to come here. Next .....
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This guy does not want to come here. Next .....
Yeah I'm not getting the vibes he wants to come either.
I remember when the story first broke a british journo covering French football said he wanted to go Lyon and play champions league.
We can agree all the fees we want with Nice but unless the player wants to come it's futile.
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Does anyone have any pictures of M Amavi in interesting headwear so I can decide if I like him?
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This guy does not want to come here. Next .....
Yeah I'm not getting the vibes he wants to come either.
I remember when the story first broke a british journo covering French football said he wanted to go Lyon and play champions league.
We can agree all the fees we want with Nice but unless the player wants to come it's futile.
Try and entice with a contract that has a release clause that a CL side can buy him for £15m after a minimum of one full season. If it then happened it would mean that he has had a good season and we make a £6m profit. It looks as though other clubs may want him but £9m is more than they think he is worth at this stage.
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We've got to get away from these release clauses. If he still wants to go to Lyon like I was reading earlier, go to the next on the list. Our recruitment process should ensure that we always have a good few quality options in each position.
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We've got to get away from these release clauses. If he still wants to go to Lyon like I was reading earlier, go to the next on the list. Our recruitment process should ensure that we always have a good few quality options in each position.
We have got a ladder to climb and it is going to be one rung at a time. I do not care how we climb it, as long as we do and if it takes bringing in a player for only a year and we make a profit at the end, I would take that.
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Equally though, we're a side that finished 17th so it shouldn't be too difficult to find a top half calibre left back who is happy to be playing for us rather than somebody's who's agent is likely to be touting him around only a few weeks into the season. Look at how much unrest has been caused amongst supporters because of the Delph and Benteke clauses. It's a dangerous precedent that we've got to get away from.
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Maybe he's thrashing out personal terms .
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I may be wrong and I hope I am, but I can't see this happening.
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We've got to get away from these release clauses. If he still wants to go to Lyon like I was reading earlier, go to the next on the list. Our recruitment process should ensure that we always have a good few quality options in each position.
Only worry is how far the quality dips once we move onto Plan B or C of our targets. Bennett and Luna were probably plan Bs for example.
This lad isn't far away from getting into the main French squad which shows his quality.
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I may be wrong and I hope I am, but I can't see this happening.
Depends what's happening with the takeover. I'm surprised Gueye and Richards have joined to be honest and am also surprised Delph decided to stay. Makes you wonder what's going on and how much they're telling these players. If Benteke says he's staying and we sign this guy though I'd be even more surprised.
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We've got to get away from these release clauses. If he still wants to go to Lyon like I was reading earlier, go to the next on the list. Our recruitment process should ensure that we always have a good few quality options in each position.
Only worry is how far the quality dips once we move onto Plan B or C of our targets. Bennett and Luna were probably plan Bs for example.
This lad isn't far away from getting into the main French squad which shows his quality.
What good is that to us if he doesn't want to be here? As for Bennett/Luna, the recruitment process wasn't good enough then. It needs to be much better now and I was hearing during the season just that, that it is better. Hopefully that will show. We need to bring in a fair few quality players and there's only so long we can give people to show they want to be here.
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How about we just spend a bit of time and effort getting a really good player we want instead of settling for second best?
Bollocks to wether he has his heart set on being here at the start of the WMCA, just convince the fucker to sign.
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I want any player who signs for us to want to be playing for Aston Villa Football Club
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I couldn't give a toss as long as they do the business and behave themselves.
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Hopefully Sherwood would be able to convince him, especially if there was a takeover on the cards. My stance was only if he couldn't be convinced.
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I want any player who signs for us to want to be playing for Aston Villa Football Club
Don't want another Unsworth situation.
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how does anyone know how he truly feels about joining us? We are fed information by the press and we choose to believe it. There might be other things involved that we haven't been told.
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Being as there's been talk about him for weeks now and nothing's happening, the reports seem credible. Hopefully they're not but it would explain what's going on. Ideally the groundwork is being laid on a number of deals before a takeover goes through and will be rubber stamped once that's done. That's also a credible explanation and one that's nicer to hope for.
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Bennett ?
Is that the joe Bennett that never gave edin hazard a kick a couple of seasons ago at vp simply because he had the crowd on his side.
I did a similar post a bout john Robson some time ago who was the boo boy for ages at vp until the crowd got on his side.
How good was Luna at arse when we did them ??
Get on any players back and you will see how bad they are, get on there side and then you will see how good they can be
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Bennett ?
Is that the joe Bennett that never gave edin hazard a kick a couple of seasons ago at vp simply because he had the crowd on his side.
I did a similar post a bout john Robson some time ago who was the boo boy for ages at vp until the crowd got on his side.
How good was Luna at arse when we did them ??
Get on any players back and you will see how bad they are, get on there side and then you will see how good they can be
I've been on Bennett's and Luna's side every single game they've played and it is telling that if you look beyond the two matches you mention, there aren't many other examples to come up with.
Neither looked anything like good enough to me. It's all well and good doing it once, but at this level, you have to be decent as near to all the time as you can.
I also don't really recall either of those players getting particular amounts of stick during matches.
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Paulie
Take on board what your saying but when have we ever put a Few games together to give these players a chance.
It's just the modern game with us all wanting instant success me included. I can remember ken mcnaughts first 4-5 games for us and if that was now he would of got dogs abuse and hounded out
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When I think of Bennett, the first thing that comes to mind is that game at Bradford. Terrible performance.
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Paulie
Take on board what your saying but when have we ever put a Few games together to give these players a chance.
It's just the modern game with us all wanting instant success me included. I can remember ken mcnaughts first 4-5 games for us and if that was now he would of got dogs abuse and hounded out
Ken McNaught was poor for a lot longer than his first 4-5 games. It all worked out well in the end, mind.
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There are rumours that Atletico are interested and obviously Lyon are his preferred destination. He is being tipped for greatness in France so it's hardly surprising he isn't swimming the channel to come and sign for the team that finished 17th in the Prem last season is it.
It does look like we are prepared to pay the most though so fingers crossed. If this one happens it'll be a cracking signing.
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We will pay him a lot more than either Atletico or Lyon.
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We've got to get away from these release clauses. If he still wants to go to Lyon like I was reading earlier, go to the next on the list. Our recruitment process should ensure that we always have a good few quality options in each position.
We could do that and most likely not sign/re-sign very many players.
Release clauses are a (sad) feature of the game but inevitable - though sometimes work for the club.
A few days ago people were incensed about a £8m release clause for Delph, but the probability is that he would not have re-signed without a clause. Plus once a clause was being discussed (triggered by relegation according to some reports) he would not have signed a deal IMO if it had a clause that was close to his true market value.
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I'm not saying that there won't be circumstances where we need to put a clause into the contract. Delph was one example and presumably the only way of keeping Benteke happy and for him to sign a new contract was his clause. My point was that it should only be used where it's absolutely unavoidable, not to offer them when approaching a new player. If we have to it should be something like £25-30m or more.
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If we have to have a release clause, I'd like to try to negotiate one that is only valid in July, or from, say, January 1st-15th.
That way we're not at risk of being shafted and left with no replacement at the last second.
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We will pay him a lot more than either Atletico or Lyon.
Not having a go at you per se, but I thought that a player turning down the chance to win trophies just because another team is willing to pay them more money was a sign of all the things that are supposedly wrong in football?
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In any case, pretty sure Atletico will pay big wages, they'll just do it via some dodgy third party shenanigans like when Falcao was there.
Not sure about Lyon, they must have a few quid being in Europe every year.
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We will pay him a lot more than either Atletico or Lyon.
Not having a go at you per se, but I thought that a player turning down the chance to win trophies just because another team is willing to pay them more money was a sign of all the things that are supposedly wrong in football?
Seconded. I read this and immediately thought the same.
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We will pay him a lot more than either Atletico or Lyon.
Not having a go at you per se, but I thought that a player turning down the chance to win trophies just because another team is willing to pay them more money was a sign of all the things that are supposedly wrong in football?
He wants to be paid the big money and win the 2016 FA Cup.
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Paulie
Take on board what your saying but when have we ever put a Few games together to give these players a chance.
It's just the modern game with us all wanting instant success me included. I can remember ken mcnaughts first 4-5 games for us and if that was now he would of got dogs abuse and hounded out
Petrov was also nowhere near as impressive as his debut for ages following his first few games.
However, it is probably harder for a defender to get away with it than it is for a midfielder - mistakes aren't usually so imminently punishable.
I also think it is natural for players to get less chance to shine when you're a perennial struggler. For example, we can't allow ourselves to do any worse than we did last season in terms of league finishing place, because it'll mean we get relegated. We just don't have any lea way for struggling players.
If people say Gary Gardner is not going to make it, that strikes me as harsh as he's had a handful of games. If people say Bennett isn't going to make it, then that's considerably less harsh, as he has played in far more games. He's also failed to impress many people whilst on loan in the championship (unlike Gardner).
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Bennett has had more than enough time to prove himself. He's completely out of his depth in the PL and frankly I'm surprised people still think he maybe an uncut diamond.
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Bennett is too slow and immobile to be a full back, but on the other hand you wouldn't want to try him at centre back either as he's to prone to mistakes. He does have more of the physical attributes for that role though.
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Bennett is too slow and immobile to be a full back, but on the other hand you wouldn't want to try him at centre back either as he's to prone to mistakes. He does have more of the physical attributes for that role though.
Are we talking about the same player? 5ft 10, ten stone, built-like-he's-made-out-of-wet-tissue-paper Joe Bennett has the physical attributes to be a centre-back?
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Bennett is too slow and immobile to be a full back, but on the other hand you wouldn't want to try him at centre back either as he's to prone to mistakes. He does have more of the physical attributes for that role though.
Are we talking about the same player? 5ft 10, ten stone, built-like-he's-made-out-of-wet-tissue-paper Joe Bennett has the physical attributes to be a centre-back?
More than he has to be a full back yes. What's up with you anyway?
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Bennett is too slow and immobile to be a full back, but on the other hand you wouldn't want to try him at centre back either as he's to prone to mistakes. He does have more of the physical attributes for that role though.
You think? I think he's decent on the ball, but far too weedy to be a centre-half.
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Seriously Bennett at centre back is like suggesting Heskey as a goalscorer
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Bennett is too slow and immobile to be a full back, but on the other hand you wouldn't want to try him at centre back either as he's to prone to mistakes. He does have more of the physical attributes for that role though.
You think? I think he's decent on the ball, but far too weedy to be a centre-half.
From what I've seen he's a bit of a clogger, generally you see far more successful cloggers at centre back than fullback. Not saying he would be perfect there either mind!
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Bennett is too slow and immobile to be a full back, but on the other hand you wouldn't want to try him at centre back either as he's to prone to mistakes. He does have more of the physical attributes for that role though.
Are we talking about the same player? 5ft 10, ten stone, built-like-he's-made-out-of-wet-tissue-paper Joe Bennett has the physical attributes to be a centre-back?
Joe Bennett, who makes Walter from Dennis The |Menace look like Shaun Teale. I confess I'm at a loss to see what he's seeing...
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Bennett is too slow and immobile to be a full back, but on the other hand you wouldn't want to try him at centre back either as he's to prone to mistakes. He does have more of the physical attributes for that role though.
Are we talking about the same player? 5ft 10, ten stone, built-like-he's-made-out-of-wet-tissue-paper Joe Bennett has the physical attributes to be a centre-back?
More than he has to be a full back yes. What's up with you anyway?
I don't think that anything's up with me.
Just slightly taken aback by the suggestion that the smallest, weediest defender currently on our books should be touted as having the physical attributes to play centre-back.
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;)
Bennett is too slow and immobile to be a full back, but on the other hand you wouldn't want to try him at centre back either as he's to prone to mistakes. He does have more of the physical attributes for that role though.
Are we talking about the same player? 5ft 10, ten stone, built-like-he's-made-out-of-wet-tissue-paper Joe Bennett has the physical attributes to be a centre-back?
Joe Bennett, who makes Walter from Dennis The |Menace look like Shaun Teale. I confess I'm at a loss to see what he's seeing...
I think if you are going to stick him anywhere its wide left midfield
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I would genuinely rather play Joe Bennett in any other outfield position than centre-back.
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The only issue I have with a signing like this that its another very young player who has no English League experience. I understand that at the moment we have to go down the route of buying on the cheap, but a big reason why we have struggled over the past few years because of throwing too many in experience players in at the deep end. For all the stick Richardson gets at least he does have the years under his belt and as he proved in the Cup Final can put in a good shift. I just think we need to find the right balance between youth and experience.
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Bennett playing at centre back would give me sleepless nights. He's not good enough at left back and putting him at in the middle would be a bizarre tactical switch. Bennett's main issue is that he isn't Premier League quality unfortunately. No shame in that, but I think it'd be best for everyone if he dropped a division.
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Bennett is too slow and immobile to be a full back, but on the other hand you wouldn't want to try him at centre back either as he's to prone to mistakes. He does have more of the physical attributes for that role though.
You think? I think he's decent on the ball, but far too weedy to be a centre-half.
From what I've seen he's a bit of a clogger, generally you see far more successful cloggers at centre back than fullback. Not saying he would be perfect there either mind!
I refer the honourable gentleman to Hutton, Alan.
I reckon Bennett cold be a left sided midfielder as he is ok on the ball, but he lacks a few of the qualities to be a top left back.
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Bennett is too slow and immobile to be a full back, but on the other hand you wouldn't want to try him at centre back either as he's to prone to mistakes. He does have more of the physical attributes for that role though.
Are we talking about the same player? 5ft 10, ten stone, built-like-he's-made-out-of-wet-tissue-paper Joe Bennett has the physical attributes to be a centre-back?
More than he has to be a full back yes. What's up with you anyway?
I don't think that anything's up with me.
Just slightly taken aback by the suggestion that the smallest, weediest defender currently on our books should be touted as having the physical attributes to play centre-back.
Is that your normal tone then? Lovely
Personally I've never seen the kid as a full back, and I don't see him as quite as weedy as made out. Clark is hardly a brick wall but most on here think he's improved. Bennett is probably not up to it at this level in any position so it's a pointless argument really.
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The only issue I have with a signing like this that its another very young player who has no English League experience. I understand that at the moment we have to go down the route of buying on the cheap, but a big reason why we have struggled over the past few years because of throwing too many in experience players in at the deep end. For all the stick Richardson gets at least he does have the years under his belt and as he proved in the Cup Final can put in a good shift. I just think we need to find the right balance between youth and experience.
I don't see £10m as cheap for a LB. There's a difference between young players in the £1m bracket coming from Sheff Utd and a young £10m player who has been playing at a high level and rated the best LB in the league, who is close to breaking into one of the better international teams in world football.
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Fucking hell !!!!
Joe Bennett at centre half or in midfield !!! Midfield ? in the Premier league ??
Joe Bennett ??!!
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Personally I've never seen the kid as a full back, and I don't see him as quite as weedy as made out. Clark is hardly a brick wall but most on here think he's improved. Bennett is probably not up to it at this level in any position so it's a pointless argument really.
But that's just it though - Clark has bulked-up immensely in the last 12 months and is about a close to a brick-wall that we have. he's also 6ft 3 and fairly dominant in the air these days. Bennett is none of those things.
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Not that this should mean anything, but I remember Joe Bennett walking past me at a pre-season friendly with ridiculously coiffed hair. I suspected then that he thought he'd made it when in reality he hadn't even started.
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Bennett is too slow and immobile to be a full back, but on the other hand you wouldn't want to try him at centre back either as he's to prone to mistakes. He does have more of the physical attributes for that role though.
Are we talking about the same player? 5ft 10, ten stone, built-like-he's-made-out-of-wet-tissue-paper Joe Bennett has the physical attributes to be a centre-back?
More than he has to be a full back yes. What's up with you anyway?
I don't think that anything's up with me.
Just slightly taken aback by the suggestion that the smallest, weediest defender currently on our books should be touted as having the physical attributes to play centre-back.
Is that your normal tone then? Lovely
Personally I've never seen the kid as a full back, and I don't see him as quite as weedy as made out. Clark is hardly a brick wall but most on here think he's improved. Bennett is probably not up to it at this level in any position so it's a pointless argument really.
Yeah Dave chill the f**k out maaaan. Like geez.
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Fucking hell !!!!
Joe Bennett at centre half or in midfield !!! Midfield ? in the Premier league ??
Joe Bennett ??!!
They were just as aghast about similar suggestions for his brother Gordon.
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How about Bennett as a striker, just off Benteke?
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Gabby and Bennett up front, now there's a pairing.
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Gabby and Bennett up front, now there's a pairing.
A bit too close to Gordon Bennett!
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How about Bennett as a striker, just off Benteke?
Fuckin' ell, what you on about, you must be off your fuckin head, snarl, Froth etc
:-)
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Sorry did somebody honestly just suggest that Bennett plays at centre back? And as for comparisons with Clark's size, ask that Leicester player he nearly broke in two if Ciaran is tough enough!
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You do realise we signed Joe Bennett and not Gary?
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Actually no. Just the opposite if you look.
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Sorry did somebody honestly just suggest that Bennett plays at centre back? And as for comparisons with Clark's size, ask that Leicester player he nearly broke in two if Ciaran is tough enough!
The toughest thing about Joe Bennett is his bryclreem solid hair, the massive vagina.
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;)Bennett is too slow and immobile to be a full back, but on the other hand you wouldn't want to try him at centre back either as he's to prone to mistakes. He does have more of the physical attributes for that role though.
Are we talking about the same player? 5ft 10, ten stone, built-like-he's-made-out-of-wet-tissue-paper Joe Bennett has the physical attributes to be a centre-back?
Joe Bennett, who makes Walter from Dennis The |Menace look like Shaun Teale. I confess I'm at a loss to see what he's seeing...
I think if you are going to stick him anywhere its wide left midfield
I agree, was going to say the same thing.
I think we've seen he could probably do a job of some sorts (whether a sufficiently good one, I don't know), but I can't see how he'd ever manage at centre half.
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My sources tell me we haven't signed Amavi because Ads started this thread before he should have and jinxed it.
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My sources tell me we haven't signed Amavi because Ads started this thread before he should have and jinxed it.
His Nosferatu-esque shadow still cast long over the club, despite him getting the push
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My sources tell me we haven't signed Amavi because Ads started this thread before he should have and jinxed it.
First his disastrous spell as manager and now this!
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My sources tell me we haven't signed Amavi because Ads started this thread before he should have and jinxed it.
First his disastrous spell as manager and now this!
A bit of respect for our only unbeaten manager ever please.
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Cheers Perc. They're a fickle bunch this lot.
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He's not coming is he?
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Our unrealistic links are getting less exciting.
I remember "we might be signing Sneijder!" (I bet we don't really)
"We might be signing Van der Vaart!" (I bet we don't really)
Now it's...
"We might be signing some bloke I'd never heard of before this transfer window!" (I bet we don't really)
How far have we fallen? This once proud club, etc, etc.
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Well, Paddy O'Reilly's trip over there doesn't appear to have born fruit so perhaps we had better look elsewhere. Any bright ideas chaps?
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Yeah the Swedish lad looked a quality player for av hire of the cost. You could get him and the Danish guy from Ajax and have change.
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If he's not excited by the prospect of visiting BMAG on his afternoons off then, pfffft!
Who needs him, frankly.
Next target, Ads, I have faith.
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We need a banner. Maybe the ones that were being created for Delph can be used after all.
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Well, Paddy O'Reilly's trip over there doesn't appear to have born fruit so perhaps we had better look elsewhere. Any bright ideas chaps?
Get the cheque book out and get Danny Rose off spuds . Very good LB
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My sources tell me we haven't signed Amavi because Ads started this thread before he should have and jinxed it.
First his disastrous spell as manager and now this!
A bit of respect for our only unbeaten manager ever please.
Or looked at another way, our only manager ever to have a zero percent win rate (P0 - W0 D0 L0)
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My sources tell me we haven't signed Amavi because Ads started this thread before he should have and jinxed it.
First his disastrous spell as manager and now this!
A bit of respect for our only unbeaten manager ever please.
Or looked at another way, our only manager ever to have a zero percent win rate (P0 - W0 D0 L0)
Frank Upton was 0%, and Jim Barron was 100%.
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My sources tell me we haven't signed Amavi because Ads started this thread before he should have and jinxed it.
First his disastrous spell as manager and now this!
A bit of respect for our only unbeaten manager ever please.
Or looked at another way, our only manager ever to have a zero percent win rate (P0 - W0 D0 L0)
Frank Upton was 0%, and Jim Barron was 100%.
Ah, but did either of them combine it with a zero percent draw rate AND a zero percent loss rate?
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Scott Marshall did.
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He was like a son to me.
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We will pay him a lot more than either Atletico or Lyon.
Not having a go at you per se, but I thought that a player turning down the chance to win trophies just because another team is willing to pay them more money was a sign of all the things that are supposedly wrong in football?
Not being a deep thinker when it comes to football I was merely saying that there is lot more money in the PL than la Liga or Ligue 1 that's all.
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The only issue I have with a signing like this that its another very young player who has no English League experience. I understand that at the moment we have to go down the route of buying on the cheap, but a big reason why we have struggled over the past few years because of throwing too many in experience players in at the deep end. For all the stick Richardson gets at least he does have the years under his belt and as he proved in the Cup Final can put in a good shift. I just think we need to find the right balance between youth and experience.
I don't see £10m as cheap for a LB. There's a difference between young players in the £1m bracket coming from Sheff Utd and a young £10m player who has been playing at a high level and rated the best LB in the league, who is close to breaking into one of the better international teams in world football.
Fair point, but players don't always live up to the hype and fact is he hasn't played in England before. Not saying that he isn't a good player, but sometimes even good players can't adapt to the PL. Time will tell.
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Said on talksport we are close to signing Amavi. Often full of shit.
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If we are, we are closing in on a Berson-length transfer saga.
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Said on talksport we are close to signing Amavi. Often full of shit.
When I hear stuff on there, it makes me believe it even less
Hope they are actually correct though
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If we are, we are closing in on a Berson-length transfer saga.
That was bizarre. Chased him for ages, finally signed him. He looked pretty reasonable, but was hardly ever picked for us.
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If we don't sign him, then I think its worth mentioning that I'm a left back.
Ads in line for sensational player manager return?
#Holdontoyourseats
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If we don't sign him, then I think its worth mentioning that I'm a left back.
Ads in line for sensational player manager return?
#Holdontoyourseats
#justanothersteppingstone
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If we don't sign him, then I think its worth mentioning that I'm a left back.
Ads in line for sensational player manager return?
#Holdontoyourseats
It's a no from me.
#weakaspiss
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It says on Wikipedia that he plays for us - must be true then.
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It says on Wikipedia that he plays for us - must be true then.
*Rushes to change Cristiano Ronaldo's Wikipedia page*
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It says on Wikipedia that he plays for us - must be true then.
Who, Ads? Hope he doesn't have a release clause.
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If we don't sign him, then I think its worth mentioning that I'm a left back.
Ads in line for sensational player manager return?
#Holdontoyourseats
Left back in the dressing room!!
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It says on Wikipedia that he plays for us - must be true then.
Who, Ads? Hope he doesn't have a release clause.
With the number of dodgy lawyers he knows he's bound to have one...
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Let's hope the stuff about us being close to a deal for Amavi is true.
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Amavi isn't keen on coming That i think we might agree on. But neither was Ashley Young. He wanted to go to Spurs but ended up at Villa Park Money talks and young Mr Amavi will hopefully find his way to Birmingham in the near future.
We need him.
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It says on Wikipedia that he plays for us - must be true then.
It says Accrington Stanley currently ....
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If we make the release clause a Pickled Onion Monster Munch and half a curly wurly he may just sign.
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Amavi isn't keen on coming That i think we might agree on. But neither was Ashley Young. He wanted to go to Spurs but ended up at Villa Park Money talks and young Mr Amavi will hopefully find his way to Birmingham in the near future.
We need him.
I never knew that about A Young. Suppose it was nearer to where he was living/playing at the time I suppose (if nothing else).
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Amavi isn't keen on coming That i think we might agree on. But neither was Ashley Young. He wanted to go to Spurs but ended up at Villa Park Money talks and young Mr Amavi will hopefully find his way to Birmingham in the near future.
We need him.
Can we say that for sure? Maybe he prefers to stay in France, but that's not the same as he doesn't want to join us.
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The received wisdom at the time was he chose us over Spurs.
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Indeed didn't the Watford manager at the time, name escapes me moved on and got sacked, say that we were a better club for him to join. Don't forget we were a decent team then.
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The received wisdom at the time was he chose us over Spurs.
Yep. Mainly on advice from his dad who acted as his agent at the time, and who was convinced by MoN.
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I thought it was between us and West Ham, who were chucking money around trying to stay up, for Young.
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Indeed didn't the Watford manager at the time, name escapes me moved on and got sacked, say that we were a better club for him to join. Don't forget we were a decent team then.
Aidy Boothroyd wasn't it?
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Indeed didn't the Watford manager at the time, name escapes me moved on and got sacked, say that we were a better club for him to join. Don't forget we were a decent team then.
We were still a bit crap when he signed. Him and Carew pushed us up to "not too shabby".
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Indeed didn't the Watford manager at the time, name escapes me moved on and got sacked, say that we were a better club for him to join. Don't forget we were a decent team then.
Aidy Boothroyd wasn't it?
That's him.
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Isn't Aidy Boothroyd now in a pretty good job at the FA on the youth side of things?
Didn't his Watford side use to play a slightly "agricultural" style of football?
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Isn't Aidy Boothroyd now in a pretty good job at the FA on the youth side of things?
Didn't his Watford side use to play a slightly "agricultural" style of football?
Yes he is, met him in Reflex on Broad Street as him and my missus were both singing along to a cheesy 80s song. Seemed a nice bloke and a little bit sizzled. He'd been coaching the team that day I think.
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Indeed didn't the Watford manager at the time, name escapes me moved on and got sacked, say that we were a better club for him to join. Don't forget we were a decent team then.
We were still a bit crap when he signed. Him and Carew pushed us up to "not too shabby".
We were an 'emerging' team rather than the 'wallowing' outfit we have been the last few years.
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Twitter suggests that we've bought Amavi for €15m.
https://twitter.com/jon_legossip/status/621251930522783744
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11 Million pounds for a left back....that's lot of money? After all we only paid a million for Joe Bennett....ah Ok I will quit whilst behind!
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As far as to how much better technically/positionally/physically this player is compared with anything we have had in the last 10 years, well, my name is John Snow. I just assume at the price quoted he's going to be a damn sight better. A vast improvement is what is required and £11 million hopefully will give us that.
If he has the improved attributes listed then we're going in the right direction. I'm getting quite excited by a midfield that contains Delph and Gueye, there should be some real energy coming out of there. With Amavi of a similar nature I think we can see a style of play emerging that Sherwood is trying to bring to the club.
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According to a French paper. For that kind of money I'd expect him to play the ukulele at half time. At least Warner would no longer be our record signing for a left back.
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Jonathan Johnson
@Jon_LeGossip
Per Nice-Matin, Jordan Amavi has finally been convinced to sign for Aston Villa. Offer of nearly €15m (plus bonuses) accepted by Nice. #AVFC
Looks like Jonny Johnson is getting on this Bandwagon, but 'Lets Hang On ' and look for some ' Sweet Inspiration'..............Godzvilla!
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as long as it's not build me up buttercup just to let me down
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Twitter suggests that we've bought Amavi for €15m.
https://twitter.com/jon_legossip/status/621251930522783744
Interesting comments there.
I've just watched a video of him and above all, he seems to know how to defend which is a massive plus. He's quick, has good feet, loves to attack but fails to deliver. He's obviously work in progress and it's a hell of a lot of money to be shelling out but the potential is all there for everybody to see.
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Maybe we've realised that keep buying cheap left backs means you get shit
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Maybe we've realised that keep buying cheap left backs means you get shit
Hadn't we already agreed the fee at a lot less, and we were trying to convince him to sign.
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Maybe we've realised that keep buying cheap left backs means you get shit
I've seen a few expensive ones that are shit as well
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It's a lot of money for a left which suggests we actually have more money than most of us think we have this summer. With Sherwood also suggesting a few more faces in and not making Lambert-esque style comments of needing to sell, then it's all very positive. If Randy shells our another net £15-20m on 3 or 4 more players after Amavi, plus Kozak, Gil, Senderos and a few new kids coming through, it will put us in a pretty solid place to start the season.
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Sherwood needs to focus on getting a strong, solid defence. We need to stop getting absolutely stuffed by superior teams as it's extremely crap for confidence, so I'm certainly encouraged that first and foremost, AmAVi can defend. Any attacking strengths are only a bonus.
I still think we need a top, proven centre half.
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How much did Warnock cost, £7.5m was it?
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How long before Liverpool won't pay Amavi's release clause?
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At least a week!
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How long before Liverpool won't pay Amavi's release clause?
How long before Southampton are linked and Spurs pull out of the race?
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How much did Warnock cost, £7.5m was it?
That was O'Neill currency, so about £3.75 in normal money.
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Reading his feed, it's 11m Euro's + bonuses. As we don't know what the bonuses are, probably best to not just assume them as part of the fee being paid. That's about £7.8m - so a bit different to what's being made out.
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How long has this been going on? If we get him it will be Ace!!
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Richards, Amavi, Gueye. Not a bad start to summer at all.
If Randy is to stay on then with Fox running the show, money being spent again (sensibly) and a Chairman being talked of being bought in, then it could possibly be the best thing outside of being bought by multi trillionaires. Randys heart is always in the right place, it's his brain we worry about. Take that out of the equation and things could be rosy.
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Richards, Amavi, Gueye. Not a bad start to summer at all.
If Randy is to stay on then with Fox running the show, money being spent again (sensibly) and a Chairman being talked of being bought in, then it could possibly be the best thing outside of being bought by multi trillionaires. Randys heart is always in the right place, it's his brain we worry about. Take that out of the equation and things could be rosy.
Also bare in mind that you never know what you're going to get with a takeover. Even someone who looks great could turn out to be a nightmare that makes us look back fondly on the Lerner years. It might be a case of the better the devil you know.
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I thought Warnock was decent for a while. Just went downhill after Gh arrived
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I thought Warnock was decent for a while. Just went downhill after Gh arrived
Yes, started pretty well. Scored against Blackburn in the 6-4 game I think.
Was shocking against Swansea when he made Nathan Dyer look like Cristiano Ronaldo and had those 2 games where he scored a diving header own goal and would have done the same the next match, but for Given making a great save.
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Warnock's best game at Villa Park was the one in which he scored against us, prior to signing.
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As an ex-left back myself, I think it's definitely worth shelling out that sort of money!
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Warnock's best game at Villa Park was the one in which he scored against us, prior to signing.
Was he playing as a defensive midfielder in that game. Seem to remember he played well there.
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So is it going through or not?
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Warnock's best game at Villa Park was the one in which he scored against us, prior to signing.
Was he playing as a defensive midfielder in that game. Seem to remember he played well there.
I think you're right. Odd really, as his biggest weakness as a full-back always seemed to be his use of the ball, which you would think would hamper him more as a midfielder!
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Warnock's best game at Villa Park was the one in which he scored against us, prior to signing.
Was he playing as a defensive midfielder in that game. Seem to remember he played well there.
I think you're right. Odd really, as his biggest weakness as a full-back always seemed to be his use of the ball, which you would think would hamper him more as a midfielder!
Some of his tackling was abysmal. And he let too many strikers get on the inside. But apart from this and the comments above, he was ok
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And defintiiey worth the £7m MON paid for him!!
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Warnock had an Albrighton-esque nack of giving away stupid, needless free kicks in dangerous positions, too.
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He arrived as a confident, modern footballer and left as a broken man and waste of space. That's what happens when you play for tactically clueless managers and boy have we had our share. You could almost say it's our speciality.
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He was good for us in his first season -very good, at times.
But Liverpool were linked with him after he got back in the England squad, and the word is he wasn't happy that we didn't make it easy for him to move back.
He seemed to have a cob on for most of the 2010/11 campaign.
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This has dragged on so long I think it can be upgraded to "transfer saga" status.
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And defintiiey worth the £7m MON paid for him!!
Wasn't it £8.5m? Bargain....
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Warnock's best game at Villa Park was the one in which he scored against us, prior to signing.
See also George Boateng, Moustapha Hadji and no doubt countless others - think it was a Gregory/O'Neill thing to sign players who'd played well against us and then never replicated it once we signed them.
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Warnock's best game at Villa Park was the one in which he scored against us, prior to signing.
See also George Boateng, Moustapha Hadji and no doubt countless others - think it was a Gregory/O'Neill thing to sign players who'd played well against us and then never replicated it once we signed them.
Boating was good for us.
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Why am I seeing Stephen Warnocks name appearing? Has Dennis from WM been posting on here today?
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Warnock's best game was against the Dogheads under Houllier. I can't recall why but he had to come on as a sub and basically turned the game, putting up the cross for Heskey's winner.
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Warnock's best game was against the Dogheads under Houllier. I can't recall why but he had to come on as a sub and basically turned the game, putting up the cross for Heskey's winner.
And interestingly it was just prior to that game that my youngest was conceived.
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Warnock's best game was against the Dogheads under Houllier. I can't recall why but he had to come on as a sub and basically turned the game, putting up the cross for Heskey's winner.
And interestingly it was just prior to that game that my youngest was conceived.
Raised by Wolves ?
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Warnock's best game was against the Dogheads under Houllier. I can't recall why but he had to come on as a sub and basically turned the game, putting up the cross for Heskey's winner.
And interestingly it was just prior to that game that my youngest was conceived.
My daughter was conceived after we beat Boro 1-0 in August 99.....and I had my Villa shirt on! (yes, I know, too much information!!!)
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So any news on Amavi?
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Warnock's best game was against the Dogheads under Houllier. I can't recall why but he had to come on as a sub and basically turned the game, putting up the cross for Heskey's winner.
And interestingly it was just prior to that game that my youngest was conceived.
My daughter was conceived after we beat Boro 1-0 in August 99.....and I had my Villa shirt on! (yes, I know, too much information!!!)
Snap. I couldn't take my Villa shirt off because I thought it'd be bad luck. Went downstairs and the first thing I saw was Bent being brought down. Thought all my Christmases had come at once.
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Warnock's best game was against the Dogheads under Houllier. I can't recall why but he had to come on as a sub and basically turned the game, putting up the cross for Heskey's winner.
And interestingly it was just prior to that game that my youngest was conceived.
My daughter was conceived after we beat Boro 1-0 in August 99.....and I had my Villa shirt on! (yes, I know, too much information!!!)
Snap. I couldn't take my Villa shirt off because I thought it'd be bad luck. Went downstairs and the first thing I saw was Bent being brought down. Thought all my Christmases had come at once.
My youngest but one was conceived after Gabby got the winner at The Sty in the 1-0.
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He was good for us in his first season -very good, at times.
But Liverpool were linked with him after he got back in the England squad, and the word is he wasn't happy that we didn't make it easy for him to move back.
He seemed to have a cob on for most of the 2010/11 campaign.
I liked Warnock aswell first season but he picked up an injury before the cup final, we rushed him back to play in the game and Antonio Valencia took him to the cleaners and he never really recovered and looked a car crash from that day.
I do remember the Liverpool link but pretty sure it was when he was out of favour under Houllier but it didn't go through for some reason.
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Warnock's best game was against the Dogheads under Houllier. I can't recall why but he had to come on as a sub and basically turned the game, putting up the cross for Heskey's winner.
And interestingly it was just prior to that game that my youngest was conceived.
Raised by Wolves ?
Romulus
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Warnock was lucky to stay on the pitch v Wolves
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Still angry about warnock OG v qpr .
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Still angry about warnock OG v qpr .
Why are you still angry?
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The Richardson performance against QPR was every bit as bad.
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I'm still angry about the Battle of Actium.
Grrrrr.
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The Richardson performance against QPR was every bit as bad.
It did transpire that Richardson was playing whilst suffering from the flu though.
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Still angry about warnock OG v qpr .
It was a good finish.
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He played like it, but to be fair was probably one of our best in the semi, and one of the only ones who could hold his head up after the cup final.
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Still angry about warnock OG v qpr .
Still angry about the 10 minutes injury time at Old Trafford back in 93. ******.
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Still angry about warnock OG v qpr .
Still angry about the 10 minutes injury time at Old Trafford back in 93. c***s.
I can understand being annoyed by other events meaning we don't win the league in any given season, but that's a bit different to a random February own goal which ultimately means we finish two points clear of relegation rather than four points clear of relegation.
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Erm, Jordan Amavi?
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He's still angry about the Warnock own goal, too.
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Still angry about warnock OG v qpr .
Still angry about the 10 minutes injury time at Old Trafford back in 93. c***s.
I can understand being annoyed by other events meaning we don't win the league in any given season, but that's a bit different to a random February own goal which ultimately means we finish two points clear of relegation rather than four points clear of relegation.
For me it is the extra time played until Arsenal equalised in the late 90s when we would have gone top of the table. And the Henry quick free kick. So doesn't have to be season changing things, but they still annoy me as soon as I think about them. And the thug on Milner in the cup semi.
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Still angry about warnock OG v qpr .
It was a good finish.
Yes a very good finish.
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I'm still angry about Micah Richards goal against us.
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Some murmurings that he is in talks with Athletico Madrid. Tough choice.
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I'm still angry about the Battle of Actium.
Grrrrr.
As am I and I was there!!!!! Some people take all the glory like that bloody "divine" Octavian!!!
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In fairness, he did let you smash his daughter, and his sister.
That's friendship.
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Amavi - what's wrong this geezer? One of the world's great club's offers to treble his salary play in the greatest league in the world and live in or around Birmingham and he still can't make up his mind because there might be interest from Madrid.
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Now talk of him going to Dortmund.
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B6 is looking unlikely isn't it?
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B6 is looking unlikely isn't it?
We need a plan B, and it's not joe Bennett
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Where are these reports coming from?
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Spurious sources. We do seem to be the only firm link at the moment, but the more it drags on, the more speculation will fly around, I guess.
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Now talk of him playing for Barcelona or Brazil (1970)
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I've heard that he's been ear-marked as Blatter's successor. I still expect us to push ahead and complete the deal though.
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Now talk of him being Jack the Ripper. May miss the start of the season.
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Due to land at BHX today. Late interest from Athlecico Madrid...apparently
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Due to land at BHX today. Late interest from Athlecico Madrid...apparently
That may conveiniently add £5k a week onto his wages ;-)
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Atletico wouldn't pay the fee, same as Lyon.
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Now talk of him playing for Barcelona or Brazil (1970)
great sides that played sumptuous football, but you forgot to add West Barcelona Albion in that lot too :)
UTV
The Doc
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Due to land at BHX today. Late interest from Athlecico Madrid...apparently
I get the feeling that Amavi may be quite shocked when he gets to bmh.
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Due to land at BHX today. Late interest from Athlecico Madrid...apparently
How do you know that? The BHX info that is.
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Does he own a trendy titfer?
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Due to land at BHX today. Late interest from Athlecico Madrid...apparently
How do you know that? The BHX info that is.
I'm excited to see what hat he'll be wearing
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Due to land at BHX today. Late interest from Athlecico Madrid...apparently
How do you know that? The BHX info that is.
I'm excited to see what hat he'll be wearing
Trilby. ITK
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Due to land at BHX today. Late interest from Athlecico Madrid...apparently
How do you know that? The BHX info that is.
I'm excited to see what hat he'll be wearing
It's all about the knitwear for me, Jean II Mackouns lucky jumper would go nicely with a fedora?
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Due to land at BHX today. Late interest from Athlecico Madrid...apparently
How do you know that? The BHX info that is.
I'm excited to see what hat he'll be wearing
Trilby. ITK
what a load of horse shit......it's a beige Top Hat...
a real ITK me ;)
UTV
The Doc
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Nice Matin are saying he's got a medical at Villa tomorrow.
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Nice Matin are saying he's got a medical at Villa tomorrow.
So they do!! 10.5 Mil being the fee. Expected medical Friday or Saturday. Getting closer by the minute.
The translation says 'He already has one foot in Aston Villa'.
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As soon as possible please.
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get in (hopefully)
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Due to land at BHX today. Late interest from Athlecico Madrid...apparently
How do you know that? The BHX info that is.
My " sources" told me.
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I think he will be wearing a sombrero anyway.
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Fool. He'll obviously be wearing a beret and a stripey jumper and carrying a baguette.
I work near the airport so I'll keep an eye out for him.
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No good having a forward thinking Full Back if there is no cnut to cross it to :'(
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Nice Matin are saying he's got a medical at Villa tomorrow.
So he'll be wearing one of those surgeon's caps and one of those gowns that don't do up at the back properly...or a nurse's uniform.
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and six inch spiked heels
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Nice Matin are saying he's got a medical at Villa tomorrow.
So they do!! 10.5 Mil being the fee. Expected medical Friday or Saturday. Getting closer by the minute.
The translation says 'He already has one foot in Aston Villa'.
I thought you said he wasn't going to sign for us?
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No good having a forward thinking Full Back if there is no cnut to cross it to :'(
What's wrong with Kozak?
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the fact that the guy's played 40 minutes in 19 months and is going to need a lot of time to prove he's fully over the injury. Has Amavi landed yet?
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He's 19 he'll probably have a cap on backwards and jeans around his arse
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Interesting article about him - http://frenchfootballweekly.com/2015/07/16/what-jordan-amavi-will-bring-to-the-aston-villa-revolution/
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Nice Matin are saying he's got a medical at Villa tomorrow.
So they do!! 10.5 Mil being the fee. Expected medical Friday or Saturday. Getting closer by the minute.
The translation says 'He already has one foot in Aston Villa'.
I thought you said he wasn't going to sign for us?
Well he still hasn't but I hope he does.This is the player who could make a big difference to the team next season along with Carles Gil.
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He's 19 he'll probably have a cap on backwards and jeans around his arse
holding a balloon full of laughing gas.
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Warnock's best game was against the Dogheads under Houllier. I can't recall why but he had to come on as a sub and basically turned the game, putting up the cross for Heskey's winner.
And interestingly it was just prior to that game that my youngest was conceived.
My daughter was conceived after we beat Boro 1-0 in August 99.....and I had my Villa shirt on! (yes, I know, too much information!!!)
Snap. I couldn't take my Villa shirt off because I thought it'd be bad luck. Went downstairs and the first thing I saw was Bent being brought down. Thought all my Christmases had come at once.
My youngest but one was conceived after Gabby got the winner at The Sty in the 1-0.
My eldest was also conceived after a Villa game in december 2008. But for the life of me I can't remember which one. Late November early December?
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Interesting article about him - http://frenchfootballweekly.com/2015/07/16/what-jordan-amavi-will-bring-to-the-aston-villa-revolution/
Jesus. Another black player?
Sorry. Couldn't help it since I watched that C4 thing last night about people waiting for council houses.
"I'm not being racist or anyfink"
just to set the scene
"But all you have to be is coloured to get a house"
Portsmouth meet early 1980s racism early 1980s racism meet Portsmouth.
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He's 19 he'll probably have a cap on backwards and jeans around his arse
Did Bad English teach him by any chance? Be nice to think they had a relationship similar to Jesse Pinkman and Mr White.
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Jesus. Another black player?
Yes Jesus could be described as black but not much of a player as the girls of Nazareth in that time would testify;)
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I'm not expecting Amavi to walk on water - just to be more competent than that which has gone before him
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Well he should arrive in Birmingham today.If he doesn't it will be a matter for some concern.
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fingers crossed.
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There will be nothing in Nice Matin about him. All their sports journalists are still in/on ecstasy over a French bike rider winning a stage of Le Tour.
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Well he should arrive in Birmingham today.If he doesn't it will be a matter for some concern.
Is there anyone there to greet him? Wouldn't be surprised if he flies over after we're back from Portugal.
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I just hope we give him time.
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I think we usually do give players time!
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report in French press suggesting he's meeting with Nice today but expected to complete in the next few days
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report in French press suggesting he's meeting with Nice today but expected to complete in the next few days
This is dragging on and on. He was supposed to be having the medical either today or Saturday according to the French paper. Now that has changed to 'expected to complete in the next few days' Perhaps its me looking for something that isn't there,but....I am concerned this is not
going to conclude in our favor.
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there was always an element of 'coercion' to it to my mind in so much as it's been going on a long time and there has always been talk of the player not being convinced, but it's not like he or they have said definitely no so there's still a chance it could complete.
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update in this morning's L'Equipe, it's his representatives that are meeting Nice today. they don't expect a medical this week end but say we are very confident it's going to go through. they also report that Anthony Martial is out top striking option
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Other French media though stating he's having a medical today or tomorrow.
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I hope that's true, for once, this could be a very exciting window for us
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I don't understand why his agents would need to meet the selling club anyway?
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Loyalty bonus?
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Has Tim got shares in France PLC or something.
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report in French press suggesting he's meeting with Nice today but expected to complete in the next few days
This is dragging on and on. He was supposed to be having the medical either today or Saturday according to the French paper. Now that has changed to 'expected to complete in the next few days' Perhaps its me looking for something that isn't there,but....I am concerned this is not
going to conclude in our favor.
We've got a new chap starting on Monday, isn't it part of his remit to sort out player contracts?
Worth waiting a couple of days to ensure no unforeseen cock-ups in these next few deals:-)
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report in French press suggesting he's meeting with Nice today but expected to complete in the next few days
This is dragging on and on. He was supposed to be having the medical either today or Saturday according to the French paper. Now that has changed to 'expected to complete in the next few days' Perhaps its me looking for something that isn't there,but....I am concerned this is not
going to conclude in our favor.
We've got a new chap starting on Monday, isn't it part of his remit to sort out player contracts?
Worth waiting a couple of days to ensure no unforeseen cock-ups in these next few deals:-)
It might speed things up if Amavi actually put his feet on British soil so he could take his medical!
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I'm calling this one as never gonna happen. No ITK just think it's dragged on and on without anything seemingly happening
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I'm calling this one as never gonna happen. No ITK just think it's dragged on and on without anything seemingly happening
Like Gueye you mean?
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I'm calling this one as never gonna happen. No ITK just think it's dragged on and on without anything seemingly happening
Like Gueye you mean?
Not at all, we know we've signed him and are waiting for the work permit. The club have already told us that
Nothing has been said about this lad from what I can see
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I'm calling this one as never gonna happen. No ITK just think it's dragged on and on without anything seemingly happening
Like Gueye you mean?
Not at all, we know we've signed him and are waiting for the work permit. The club have already told us that
Nothing has been said about this lad from what I can see
It still went on for days beforehand.
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He's probably changed his mind again now
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Get him signed a.s.a.p, the club desperately needs some good news right now.
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Will be confirmed over this weekend. Kendrick has confirmed. £10m
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Very good signing.
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We need some good news because today has been dreadful. I read Ozz's post and I agree. Let's build a new Aston Villa. We are bigger than this.
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Will be confirmed over this weekend. Kendrick has confirmed. £10m
Well if that is correct it will be wonderful news. At the moment I am heartily sick of football but this signing will cheer me up immeasurably.
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ITSOTP
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Excellent signing.
We need another 5 of them......
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It's pretty obvious we've a sell to buy policy.
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A 25man squad limit means every club has to operate a sell to buy policy, or are you suggesting that the only money we're going to spend is based on sales, in which case you're about 6 1/2 weeks early for that to be worth discussing, none of the links or work done so far really supports that though.
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£10 mil seems steep to me
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£10 mil seems steep to me
based on what? Luke Shaw after one good season at Southampton cost Man U £30m.
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How could you possibly know if it's steep?
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this bloke's a very good player and if we complete at 10m it's good business
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We spent £8m on warnock. And since then we've spent at least £6m on Bennett, Luna, cissokho and Richardson plus wages.
So if he's as good as he's meant to be and its not preventing us getting a good striker in then I'm happy
I'm more concerned about whether he actually wants to come
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If the comparison to a young Ashley Cole hold true we will make a massive profits on him too. I love the targets Reilly and Sherwood gave come up with. Just hope we can sign then all.
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If the comparison to a young Ashley Cole hold true we will make a massive profits on him too. I love the targets Reilly and Sherwood gave come up with. Just hope we can sign then all.
I love the targets too, but feel we need some PL experience now Delph and Cleverley have gone, just people who can live with the tempo. Sanchez is first pick for one of the best teams in the world and he struggles with it.
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I'm hoping now we're back from our jolly in Portugal we can complete the transfer soon. Cheer us all up a bit.
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Does anybody watch French football or read about it? I've never seen him.
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Does anybody watch French football or read about it? I've never seen him.
I've never heard of him either
But a quick scan on the tinternet and you can make out you know everything about him in no time
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I've never seen him or gueye play. But it's good to be signing players with a good reputation after so many recent "surprise" signings.
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I've never seen him or gueye play. But it's good to be signing players with a good reputation after so many recent "surprise" signings.
Yeah, I'd rather sign players that are mentioned highly, come from decent clubs and cost a bigger fee, It might be naïve to believe it will make them better players but it just fills me with more confidence than guys from the 1st division or Lokomotiv Splotnik for £2m quid.
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Nice have confirmed the transfer on their website apparently.
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Really good signing. Hope he settles in straight away!
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Does anybody watch French football or read about it? I've never seen him.
I asked a few people at our french office as soon as his name was linked and they all said he was one of the best young players in france and would be a very good signing. The manager there is the biggest football geek I've ever met, think Geoff Stelling level of obscure player knowledge so I trust his opinions. On Gueye he said he was a decent defensive midfielder but that he started playing further forward 12-18 months ago and he's looked a much better since. He thinks both will be good signings, he also said we should be looking at Yassine Benzia (who I've mentioned on here before) as he'd be great playing off someone like Benteke (obviously this was a few back).
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The kid looks almost too good to be a left back. Wouldn't surprise me later on in his career he is converted to a left midfielder etc.
Oh well, umpteen years searching for a good left back, we might of actually hit the jackpot.
Good to see Tim identifying Technically sound footballers...makes a change.
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Maybe it's not so nice in Nice.
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From Nice official site
http://www.ogcnice.com/fr/actualite/24256/accord-pour-le-transfert-damavi
Official
July 18, 2015
Agreement for the transfer of Agarwal
An agreement was reached Saturday for the transfer of Jordan Amavi at Aston Villa (Premier League).
Jordan Amavi did not share the movement in Belgium Friday to compete the second friendly match of the Eaglets. While his teammates were on the way to Waregem, the young left side (21 years) took the direction of England.
And an agreement was found this Saturday lunchtime with Aston Villa for his transfer.
Welcome Jordan
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Welcome to Villa.
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Tim or the Irish chap Reilly? Or a combination of the two?
Anyone care to guess where there obscure targets are coming from?
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A very ambitious signing indeed. The perseverance will be worth it.
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Surely subject to a medical and personal terms. Hence why no statement from the OS
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At last, some good news this weekend.
I'm very happy about this signing and Gueye, because it shows some ambition and planning for the new season.
Welcome, Jordan!
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Welcome Jordan. Hopefully he'll give our team's engine a boost. I assume the Price was right in the end, but keep me a-breast of developments. He seems like Amman who can improve the squad.
I think that takes care of all the Jordan puns.
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I like that we are scouting heavily in France. They have so many wonderfully technically gifted players. I'll wait to say welcome when he's stretching the claret and blue, but he'll be nice boost in-between Delph fucking off and Benteke doing the same.
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Nice have confirmed the transfer on their website apparently.
In the absence of BE to translate, here's Google
"An agreement was reached Saturday for the transfer of Jordan Amavi Aston Villa (Premier League ) .
Jordan Amavi has not participated in the movement in Belgium on Friday to compete in the second friendly match of Aiglons . While his teammates were on the road to Waregem , the young left-back ( 21 ) took the direction of England.
And an agreement was found on Saturday afternoon with Aston Villa for the transfer.
Just like its mounted in the left lane, its trajectory is meteoric . After a first year top flight (36 matches the meter, 4 goals scored ) as holder under the colors of the club trainer , international Hopes aroused the interest of many clubs in France and abroad up ' that the "exceptional circumstances " could open the door to a starting raised by President Rivère are met."
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BREAKING NEWS
Aston Villa have sold Jordan Amavi to Manchester City after they triggered the £8 million release clause in his recently signed (an hour ago) contract.
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4 goals scored, not bad for a full back, more goals than Delph managed in the league for us in 6 years.
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BREAKING NEWS
Aston Villa have sold Jordan Amavi to Manchester City after they triggered the £8 million release clause in his recently signed (an hour ago) contract.
Le Copter de Rofl.
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BREAKING NEWS
Aston Villa have sold Jordan Amavi to Manchester City after they triggered the £8 million release clause in his recently signed (an hour ago) contract.
BREAKING NEWS
The French under 21 international has released a statement to "set the record straight" over his future.
"I'm not leaving," said Amavi, 21, who signed a new 5 year deal at Villa 15 minutes ago.
"I'm staying at the football club and I can't wait for the start of the Premier League season."
Oh oh, we know how this story ends
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Very funny lads, but can we just enjoy this for the good news it is, untainted by any mention of that dogturd D*lph.
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Very funny lads, but can we just enjoy this for the good news it is, untainted by any mention of that dogturd D*lph.
This
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I like the sound of this this player. Good signing.
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Excellent news if true.
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Brilliant to be signing top rated players. Any chance we can continue the same without it dragging on for ages? A couple of days would be fine.
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I have just been on the Nice website and they are very complementary towards Amavi on his transfer. There is a real warmth in their description of him. Very proud he is a local boy who has come through their youth system and is now leaving to play in "the best league in the world" - their words not mine.
Apparently he was an attacking midfielder who was pushed wide by Claude Puel (Nice manager and former Monaco player) and they reckon he is a good counter attacking player " he likes to have space in front of him". Apparently several clubs were after him, but the lure of the girls in Snobs was too strong to resist.
After Six, Ginola and Berson let's hope we have a keeper from France this time.
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It's possible that with the rehab of Gil and the arrival of Amavi we might just have our best ever Spanish and French players.
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It wouldn't take much.
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I like that we are scouting heavily in France. They have so many wonderfully technically gifted players. I'll wait to say welcome when he's stretching the claret and blue, but he'll be nice boost in-between Delph fucking off and Benteke doing the same.
Agreed. Newcastle, despite being a figure of fun for so many years, have done well out of buying from France. I think Sherwood seems to have a good scouting network going.
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Chuffed with this. Was worried by it dragging on. Very highly rated. Darder next please.
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I'm excited by this signing. He looks to have a lot of ability. I hope he's a player who can help us progress, as opposed to being someone who'll use us as a stepping stone.
This is the quality of player we should be going for. I look forward to seeing him and Idrissa playing.
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Good afternoon chaps.After being stuck tail to tail for 3 hrs due to the M6 being closed I needed some good news.This is it! Very pleased indeed.Well done to all involved.
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From what I've seen of him, he looks encouragingly overqualified to play in France.
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Nothing on OS?
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I'm excited by this signing. He looks to have a lot of ability. I hope he's a player who can help us progress, as opposed to being someone who'll use us as a stepping stone.
This is the quality of player we should be going for. I look forward to seeing him and Idrissa playing.
Even if he uses us as a stepping stone, he'll hopefully help us progress. What we need to do is to have a lot more players (than the two we've just lost/are losing) that scum-sucking rich clubs want. We're worried about next season because our only two stand-out players have gone. If we had 5/6/7 of that quality they'd be more tempted to stay as well as not leave such a big hole if a couple went.
All the factors are in place for us to get good players from home or abroad - mega TV money, strength of the pound, attractive league, great club, great support, £40m from sales - we now need to recruit often and well, and not worry so much about them leaving if they come over and tear up the league. If, even while still feeling raw about Benteke especially, we had the chance and foresight to know that we were buying a striker for £7m who we'd get three good seasons out of and £25m profit when he swans off to some wanky other club leaving us all heart-broken, we'd still sign him surely?
Good players and lots of them please, stepping stone or not.
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£10 mil seems steep to me
based on what? Luke Shaw after one good season at Southampton cost Man U £30m.
Based on 2 million for Joe Bennett ((cough cough))
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I'm waiting until it's confirmed by the club.
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It has been confirmed by the selling club.
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AVFC have announced his arrival on twitter
bit.ly/1gGHhpN#AVFC
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http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~4872382,00.html
Boom. Welcome lad.
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Twitter is Twitter
But he does look very two footed, strong, skilful and a threat from set pieces. A much needed filip.
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Welcome !!
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Emporio Amavi - welcome to VP.
Don't trip over the snake on the way in.
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Thrilled.
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Welcome Mr.Amavi, Great work Villa getting him in, Looks a great player and we want more the same please.
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these new guys are going to need people to get behind them from the off - new environment, new country new league. It would be daunting for far more experienced players let alone someone of his age. VP needs to roar it's approval of more adventurous signings
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Excellent signing. Welcome to Villa Jordan.
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Top notch signing, this. The lad has bags of potential.
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Does anybody watch French football or read about it? I've never seen him.
I've never heard of him either
But a quick scan on the tinternet and you can make out you know everything about him in no time
So you mean research?
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Don't know a thing about him but everyone else seems pleased so that can only be good. Welcome to VP.
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Immense bienvenue à Aston Villa Jordan Amavi
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Tim or the Irish chap Reilly? Or a combination of the two?
Anyone care to guess where there obscure targets are coming from?
I suspect that until a couple of weeks ago Sherwood would have thought 'Amavi' was a new ice cream from Walls. My guess is that it's O'Reilly.
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Jordan welcome to a great football club and when you get her ask about Charlie Atkin.
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Jordan welcome to a great football club and when you get her ask about Charlie Atkin.
Who she?
Who he?
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Brilliant news now official on OS
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Here
Aitken
Mind you Amavi will be doing well to reach Charlies standards!
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5 year deal too
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Welcome Jordan.
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Does anybody watch French football or read about it? I've never seen him.
I've never heard of him either
But a quick scan on the tinternet and you can make out you know everything about him in no time
So you mean research?
There's a lot of 'research' going on on the internet
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5 year deal too
Hopefully with no sodding get-out clauses.
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Bonjour Jordan, mon cafe au lait... know what I mean Trig!
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Tim or the Irish chap Reilly? Or a combination of the two?
Anyone care to guess where there obscure targets are coming from?
I suspect that until a couple of weeks ago Sherwood would have thought 'Amavi' was a new ice cream from Walls. My guess is that it's O'Reilly.
I would guess so as well. Doing a good job as far as I can tell.
Welcome Jordan!
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Shame Luna left earlier in the summer, I bet this lad doesn't know the hands behind the back trick
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So we could have the following in defence. Guzan, Richards (with gaffer tape over his big mouth and typing fingers) Clark Senderos and Amavi.
Senderos,when he was not injured played very well for us at the start of last season. Richards needs to knuckle down...and try keeping quiet!!
That,on paper is a good defence.
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Has Senderos been involved in the friendlies at all?
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Allo Allo Amarvi
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Even if he uses us as a stepping stone, he'll hopefully help us progress. What we need to do is to have a lot more players (than the two we've just lost/are losing) that scum-sucking rich clubs want. We're worried about next season because our only two stand-out players have gone. If we had 5/6/7 of that quality they'd be more tempted to stay as well as not leave such a big hole if a couple went.
All the factors are in place for us to get good players from home or abroad - mega TV money, strength of the pound, attractive league, great club, great support, £40m from sales - we now need to recruit often and well, and not worry so much about them leaving if they come over and tear up the league. If, even while still feeling raw about Benteke especially, we had the chance and foresight to know that we were buying a striker for £7m who we'd get three good seasons out of and £25m profit when he swans off to some wanky other club leaving us all heart-broken, we'd still sign him surely?
Good players and lots of them please, stepping stone or not.
Spot on. We need to be generating transfer profits and still improve. We are not going to do this by buying over priced British players. We need to be looking at foreign players that cost £5-10m and sell on to make £5m. To supplement this we need to be developing our young players and give them a chance, rather than filling the team/bench with very average players.
I don't mind a constantly changing squad over the next 5 years if it gets us back towards the top end of the table. Yes, we can be a selling club and still be relatively successful.
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This is the way to go, buy genuinely good young players, get a good two or three years out of them and then sell for a big fee.
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Agreed and that is how Arsene Wenger operate for Arsenal. So we need to do similar method. No point buying overpriced experienced player in PL if there is poor return for long term.
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If as rumoured Arsenal did want him he can't be too shabby.
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You just know that if he is any good he'll pick up a bad injury after 3 or 4 games.
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So we could have the following in defence. Guzan, Richards (with gaffer tape over his big mouth and typing fingers) Clark Senderos and Amavi.
Senderos,when he was not injured played very well for us at the start of last season. Richards needs to knuckle down...and try keeping quiet!!
That,on paper is a good defence.
I might be biased, given my current country of residence, but if we're really trying to build something I'd play Okore instead of Senderos.
1. Senderos is only ever one nasty stare away from 4 months out with a strained eyebrow. No good for continuity that's really needed at the back,especially between the 2 centrebacks and goalkeeper.
2. Senderos has just turned 30, and with his injury record, how long do you think he's got left.
3. The Clark / Okore pairing was the one that looked most composed over the last few months if last season.
4. There's a good chance that he'll be "doing a Vlaar" at the end of the season.
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So we could have the following in defence. Guzan, Richards (with gaffer tape over his big mouth and typing fingers) Clark Senderos and Amavi.
Senderos,when he was not injured played very well for us at the start of last season. Richards needs to knuckle down...and try keeping quiet!!
That,on paper is a good defence.
I might be biased, given my current country of residence, but if we're really trying to build something I'd play Okore instead of Senderos.
1. Senderos is only ever one nasty stare away from 4 months out with a strained eyebrow. No good for continuity that's really needed at the back,especially between the 2 centrebacks and goalkeeper.
2. Senderos has just turned 30, and with his injury record, how long do you think he's got left.
3. The Clark / Okore pairing was the one that looked most composed over the last few months if last season.
4. There's a good chance that he'll be "doing a Vlaar" at the end of the season.
Clark played very well last season Okore was a bit in and out. On reflection though you are probably right.
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I reckon if we'd made this kind of signing at the start of Randy's tenure, we wouldn't have the shite of the last few years.
Damn and blast that pube headed twat.
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Okore will pay because Senderos by then will have looked at a cabbage in the wrong way and been struck down by a tweaked abductor that rules him out for a week rolling to May
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I do wonder if Sherwood will experiment on occasions with a back three of Richards, Okore and Clark? With two wing backs outside. Would be a shame to see one of Richards or Okore sit. Unless off course Richards plays RB.
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I'm expecting Richards to play at CB and one of Hutton or Bacuna at RB.
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If we play 3 the Clark has to know when to step into holding midfield and push the team up. He is capable, but would tactically take some time.
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Richards has been signed to play CB, nice to have some competition. Looking forward to seeing Amavi in action, my lad tells me in average ratings he was second best in French league behind a Swedish bloke with a big nose
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At the bottom of this page - http://www.whoscored.com/Statistics they have the european team of the season based on their OPTA stats, the left back who they rated as the best in Europe last season has just signed for us, I'll take that.
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At the bottom of this page - http://www.whoscored.com/Statistics they have the european team of the season based on their OPTA stats, the left back who they rated as the best in Europe last season has just signed for us, I'll take that.
Very nice indeed.
Now they can start work on bringing in the front five from that team as well.
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Interesting stats. 11 yellow cards last season so will need to work on that and looks like he provides some good width that Benteke would have thrived off. Also interesting to see how many French players are in the Nice squad compared to Premier League teams and English players.
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Interesting stats. 11 yellow cards last season so will need to work on that and looks like he provides some good width that Benteke would have thrived off. Also interesting to see how many French players are in the Nice squad compared to Premier League teams and English players.
I read the thing he needs to work on is his crossing, but otherwise seems perfect. Really looking forward to seeing the signings so far in Villa shirts
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At the bottom of this page - http://www.whoscored.com/Statistics they have the european team of the season based on their OPTA stats, the left back who they rated as the best in Europe last season has just signed for us, I'll take that.
Typical Villa signing some dross... wait what? Thats really cool! Cheered me up on a Saturday :)
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Interesting stats. 11 yellow cards last season so will need to work on that and looks like he provides some good width that Benteke would have thrived off. Also interesting to see how many French players are in the Nice squad compared to Premier League teams and English players.
I read the thing he needs to work on is his crossing, but otherwise seems perfect. Really looking forward to seeing the signings so far in Villa shirts
Apparently the bigger issue was that no one was getting into the box to give him something to cross at, sounds quite similar to us for most of last season.
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Welcome Jordan. We're always glad to have ambitious young players leave another club to join us, it makes you a very popular, sensible and charming young man - and you fully deserve any extra money you receive for doing so.
Bonne chance.
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Interesting stats. 11 yellow cards last season so will need to work on that and looks like he provides some good width that Benteke would have thrived off. Also interesting to see how many French players are in the Nice squad compared to Premier League teams and English players.
I read the thing he needs to work on is his crossing, but otherwise seems perfect. Really looking forward to seeing the signings so far in Villa shirts
Apparently the bigger issue was that no one was getting into the box to give him something to cross at, sounds quite similar to us for most of last season.
Gabby may get 30 next season lol
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Welcome Jordan, glad to have a signing that is getting people excited for a change.
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Welcome Jordan.
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Welcome Jordan, signed on a five year deal.
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Welcome Jordan, glad to have a signing that is getting people excited for a change.
I was exited by us signing Grant Holt, in a Victorian freak show kinda way.
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Lets hope TS identifies and has the funds to bring in the right calibre of player to support and keep players like Gueye and Amavi for the long term without them being cherry picked and fuckin off to a current top 6 club. If we're going to keep these young ambitious players then we need to be playing in the same ball park and challenging for honours otherwise this merry go round will just keep on turning with our best players jumping off when they see the nearest exit.
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when's he join up?
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I'm still disturbed at how long this is dragging out.
He definitely doesn't want to come.
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when's he join up?
Monday.
http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~4872382,00.html
""There were a lot of clubs after him this summer so we are really pleased to welcome him to the Club."
Amavi will meet his new team-mates for the first time on Monday."
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I'm still disturbed at how long this is dragging out.
He definitely doesn't want to come.
Probably because we've been gazumped after meeting his release cause and now we won't up the ante.
Just goes to show what a shambles of a club we've become and what an inept twat that Fox character is.
Probably just a cover to allow Randy to siphon of a few million extra by sending the release fee to Delaware anyway.
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Just watching his (obligatory) youtube clips.
Fuck me, he likes to get forward, doesn't he? Confident fucker on the ball, too.
I wonder if we'll punt Cissokho out somewhere.
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Well we need 2 players in each position so I'd imagine we'd keep Richardson as back up for Amavi rather than Cissokho...if some fucker will take him for a couple of million.
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Cissokho could be on his way to Italy: linky thing (http://www.tribalfootball.com/articles/genoa-to-win-race-for-aston-villa-fullback-cissokho-4087002)
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Aston Villa fullback Aly Cissokho is in talks with Italian clubs.
Sky Italia says Cissokho is close to signing with Genoa.
With the arrival of Jordan Amavi, Villa boss Tim Sherwood is keen to offload players he deems fringe and the Frenchman falls into that category.
Genoa have beaten Napoli and Fiorentina to his signature.
Lucky Napoli and Fiorentina.
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15m and they can have him
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Aston Villa fullback Aly Cissokho is in talks with Italian clubs.
Sky Italia says Cissokho is close to signing with Genoa.
With the arrival of Jordan Amavi, Villa boss Tim Sherwood is keen to offload players he deems fringe and the Frenchman falls into that category.
Genoa have beaten Napoli and Fiorentina to his signature.
Lucky Napoli and Fiorentina.
I think that's his brother not Aly going there
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Sherwood has been impressed with Bennett in training too apparently so it will be interesting to see who gets the understudy role.
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Welcome to The Villa, Jordan.
Looking forward to seeing you rampaging down the line at Walsall!
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Sherwood has been impressed with Bennett in training too apparently so it will be interesting to see who gets the understudy role.
I think I'd let Bennett and Kinsella be the backup at left back for a year and see if between those 2 and Amavi we get a couple of decent options. Cissokho can go, I don't dislike him as much as most on here but the simple fact is that can't cross the street let alone a ball and I just don't see the point of fullbacks who can't offer that now, it's as fundamental a part of the job as anything else. Given that Amavi doesn't affect the 25player squad I'd probably hold on to Richardson as a utility cover for the left side and central midfield but I'd not want to see him get much game time.
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Kinsella would benefit from regular first team football (as would most of the kids) so I would probably have Bennett as back-up. I would probably be prepared to let Richardson go but not be too upset if he stayed.
Cissokho was the best of a bad lot defensively. I don't know what happened to his crossing. In the Newcastle home game he was putting in some great crosses and I remember cursing the fact that Benteke wasn't fit as he would have a field day with those crosses. His crossing quickly detiorated. Messi would have looked crap in that Lambert team though so our opinions are inevitably skewed. He'll probably look decent in a good Italian side.
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Sherwood is obviously very keen on Amavi and fair play to the club for getting him in eventually.
hoping the left back curse is broken - Cissokho, Bennett, Warnock, Shorey, Samuel
a right hall of shame
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Isn't it just.
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Saw a picture of him along side the trophy cabinet, seems excited.
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I'm not a fan of 352. But if we did play that way then amavi and bacuna really are made for it. But the same applies to the sort of diamond formation we played last year. We might get a hint in the next couple of friendlies
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Sherwood is obviously very keen on Amavi and fair play to the club for getting him in eventually.
hoping the left back curse is broken - Cissokho, Bennett, Warnock, Shorey, Samuel
a right hall of shame
You forgot Luna (or had blanked him from your memory, in which case sorry)
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https://vine.co/v/e6iu9djAtxz
If you listen to this, who is that American voice in the background? Sounds American, anyway, taking the training.
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Definitely sounds American.
Only thing that might explain it is that it sounds a bit "tinny" so that might be distorting it a bit.
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https://vine.co/v/e6iu9djAtxz
If you listen to this, who is that American voice in the background? Sounds American, anyway, taking the training.
Pelty?
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https://vine.co/v/e6iu9djAtxz
If you listen to this, who is that American voice in the background? Sounds American, anyway, taking the training.
Pelty?
Ha ha, he'd do a better job than Keane did.
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Again another one who comes highly rated but who might take a bit of time to adjust to English football, would be good to see a better balance between good old school defending and the attacking this year.
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You also forgot Enda.
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I'm trying to remember to forget him
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You also forgot Enda.
I think he's gone.
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Another PR disaster beckons. We sign a left back, a critical area for improvement, and the first two pictures of him training on the OS show him using his right foot. Can we not get anything right?
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Another PR disaster beckons. We sign a left back, a critical area for improvement, and the first two pictures of him training on the OS show him using his right foot. Can we not get anything right?
How dare a left back have the chutzpah to consider himself two footed. It's a disgrace! I shall write to Esther Rantzen immediately!!
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Another PR disaster beckons. We sign a left back, a critical area for improvement, and the first two pictures of him training on the OS show him using his right foot. Can we not get anything right?
How dare a left back have the chutzpah to consider himself two footed. It's a disgrace! I shall write to Esther Rantzen immediately!!
Bloody hell a two footed Villa player. Who would have thought
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How the hell do you become a professional footballer with only one foot? I know they are working miracles with prosthetic limbs but come on.
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How the hell do you become a professional footballer with only one foot? I know they are working miracles with prosthetic limbs but come on.
Charlie Adam Hills
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If he's as good as he looks on YouTube, or as good as 'they' say he is, I wonder if it's worth getting another left-back and moving him forward a bit to replace Delph?
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He looked really chipper after the game yesterday. Most of the other players who came off seemed to head off to shower, he and Sinclair sat on the grass by the touchline and watched until the end.
At full time he was chatting with fans down by the advertising hoardings and posed for photographs for quite a while after the other players had gone off and it looked like the stewards eventually had to ask him to stop and get off the pitch.
Although I'm no body-language expert, he certainly didn't have the air of somebody who was reluctant to sign for us.
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If he's as good as he looks on YouTube, or as good as 'they' say he is, I wonder if it's worth getting another left-back and moving him forward a bit to replace Delph?
His coach at Nice moved him out wide from attacking midfield Percy. Reckoned he has the speed to exploit space.
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How the hell do you become a professional footballer with only one foot? I know they are working miracles with prosthetic limbs but come on.
Charlie Adam Hills
Heather George McCartney?
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He's very comfy on his right too
I like the look. Similar calibre players in middield and upfront now please
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I wonder how many Villa fans will be returning from their holidays in Turkey with "fake Amavi" tops ;)
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Really looking forward to how this lad does. He's looked very promising so far.
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Reports from today suggest he's decent and fast.
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Looked genuine quality today...a couple of mistakes but obviously finding his feet over here. He's got pace, skills and a decent cross.
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Didnt catch the whole match but he looked pretty good. I like the speed he works at.
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Mute:
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excellent.
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I wonder how many Villa fans will be returning from their holidays in Turkey with "fake Amavi" tops ;)
Which leads in a convoluted fashion to:
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I'm sorry to say we have to move this kid on, he will never do for us................who ever heard of a throw in going to a player in the same colour shirt? ;)
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I'm sorry to say we have to move this kid on, he will never do for us................who ever heard of a throw in going to a player in the same colour shirt? ;)
and in space!
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Interesting watching that how comfortable he is on his right foot.
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Interesting watching that how comfortable he is on his right foot.
I know I commented on that from the first few training pics on the OS. I love it when a full back is good with their supposed weaker foot because it makes it that bit harder for a winger to cut inside.
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The cross he put in on about 55 seconds in is what I want to see from fullbacks. I don't care that none of our strikers got to it, keep putting them across just like that and it'll create goals, it's the football equivalent of the corridor of uncertainty.
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If you watch him when he dribbles he actually leads with the right. Quite unusual. But means he can keep the defender guessing and move quickly either side
I expect he'll find the pace and directness a challenge to begin with. I hope the crowd tolerates a few mistakes. Because he looks really exciting to me
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He looks very balanced through the core when on his toes and should be difficult to wrong-foot which is a very nice defensive trait.
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love the back heel tackle. Looks very skillful. Very excited to see him play.
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So where does this leave Richardson ?
Personally I'd like to see him in a LM role as I think he could link well with Amarvi
As for Cissoko I'm guessing he's back up
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Richardson wasn't bought to play left-back so I'd guess that Sherwood would look to use him further forward if and when needed, and fill in at left-back if and when needed.
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So where does this leave Richardson ?
Personally I'd like to see him in a LM role as I think he could link well with Amarvi
As for Cissoko I'm guessing he's back up
I'd say Richardson and Cissoko will be making the odd cameo here and there.
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Richardson was one of our better performers towards the end of last season , he may be of use as a LM wide player
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They'll punt Cissokho the first decent bid they'll get. I also don't think he'll want to be a back up and there will be a market for him. He's not a bad player just not what Sherwood is looking for in that position.
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Theres a few others that will be leaving before the transfer window ends...I'd imagine Cissokho, Baker, Senders, Cole, N'Zogbia and either Bennett or Richardson will be on their way out. TS knows we can't afford to carry passengers and I have a feeling that has been made very clear to him as part of any agreement for this spending spree.
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I honestly think Cissokho is awful. Was briefly positive when he first arrived, but it didn't take long to realise he was so poor.
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Yep. The question will be who he keeps...the unproven younger Bennett with potential or the older experienced Richardson who is prone to being next to useless on a bad day. On the other hand...may be he'll give both of them another season.
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I honestly think Cissokho is awful. Was briefly positive when he first arrived, but it didn't take long to realise he was so poor.
He was one of the main reasons we weren't scoring. Abysmal player, get rid.
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He's not bad as a straight up defender who isn't required to join the attack. However it's very rare to find those nowadays and all full backs need to have some ability to come forward and look comfortable in possession of the football. Cissokho just doesn't know what he's doing when he tries to do that.
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I'd rather have Bennett as back up than the woeful cissoko
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I really like amavi - he may actually be right footed he uses it so much
But he does need to improve defensively it seems. Against wolves he was poor at tracking his runners and a bit dodgy under the high ball. I wondered about using him in midfield to begin with.
If he does start a bit wobbly it won't take long for the grumpier members of the trinity to get on his back you'd think
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He was rated as one of the best defenders in Europe last season so I don't question his defensive abilities. From what I've seen he literally sprints back into position to track players and I'd be inclined to point to Sinclair for any issues with tracking back against Wolves. He's made a few mistakes with ball control, but he's obviously a bit nervous and finding his feet so that will come with confidence when he's more settled and familiar with his new team mates.
What did piss me off against Wolves was how he made himself open on the left and the midfield either slowed played down or seemingly refused to pass him the ball...I'm not sure why.
As for the Trinity moaners...I'm sure he'll have them on side pretty sharpish with the amount of running and skills he'll be showcasing down the left wing.
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He was rated as one of the best defenders in Europe last season so I don't question his defensive abilities. From what I've seen he literally sprints back into position to track players and I'd be inclined to point to Sinclair for any issues with tracking back against Wolves. He's made a few mistakes with ball control, but he's obviously a bit nervous and finding his feet so that will come with confidence when he's more settled and familiar with his new team mates.
What did piss me off against Wolves was how he made himself open on the left and the midfield either slowed played down or seemingly refused to pass him the ball...I'm not sure why.
As for the Trinity moaners...I'm sure he'll have them on side pretty sharpish with the amount of running and skills he'll be showcasing down the left wing.
The first paragraph is pretty much exactly what I was going post on here, especially the bit referring to Sinclair who left their right back unmarked repeatedly.
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I wasn't really referring to the goal but there were plenty of other times that he let his man get a start on him
I think he looks bloody brilliant so as much as anything I'm just hoping that if he does make some early mistakes people don't get on top of him
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I wasn't really referring to the goal but there were plenty of other times that he let his man get a start on him
I think he looks bloody brilliant so as much as anything I'm just hoping that if he does make some early mistakes people don't get on top of him
As I say though, those times were often when they were 2 on 1 against him and Sinclair was ambling around 30yards up the pitch. It may be that those were Sinclairs instructions but for me if you're playing against a side playing 442 and one of their fullbacks is breaking forward at will someone from midfield needs to start looking to help the fullback.
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I wasn't really referring to the goal but there were plenty of other times that he let his man get a start on him
I wouldn't be too concerned with that to be fair...Amavi has pace to burn so even with a head start I'd back him to get ahead and at least put in a challenge against most players in a foot race. It'd actually be interesting to see him in a race against Gabby...he looks like he could be one of the fastest players in the PL.
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He was rated as one of the best defenders in Europe last season so I don't question his defensive abilities. From what I've seen he literally sprints back into position to track players and I'd be inclined to point to Sinclair for any issues with tracking back against Wolves. He's made a few mistakes with ball control, but he's obviously a bit nervous and finding his feet so that will come with confidence when he's more settled and familiar with his new team mates.
I am hopeful of Amavi being our first decent left back in a few years, but I would disagree with your first comment re being one of the best defenders in Europe last season. He is athletic and skilful but hasn't been selected for a France squad yet.
My French friends reckon he is solid, good going forward (Nice manager Claude Puel converted him from an attacking midfielder ) and uses his pace to get him out of trouble. The Nice defence was apparently porous last year though.
I am not being funny with you, I think he is the type of player we should be signing - technical and athletic. Villa is a step up for him and he will hopefully do well for us. And dare I say it, he should have a good resale value when he moves on.
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He was rated as one of the best defenders in Europe last season so I don't question his defensive abilities. From what I've seen he literally sprints back into position to track players and I'd be inclined to point to Sinclair for any issues with tracking back against Wolves. He's made a few mistakes with ball control, but he's obviously a bit nervous and finding his feet so that will come with confidence when he's more settled and familiar with his new team mates.
I am hopeful of Amavi being our first decent left back in a few years, but I would disagree with your first comment re being one of the best defenders in Europe last season. He is athletic and skilful but hasn't been selected for a France squad yet.
My French friends reckon he is solid, good going forward (Nice manager Claude Puel converted him from an attacking midfielder ) and uses his pace to get him out of trouble. The Nice defence was apparently porous last year though.
I am not being funny with you, I think he is the type of player we should be signing - technical and athletic. Villa is a step up for him and he will hopefully do well for us. And dare I say it, he should have a good resale value when he moves on.
I think he might be talking about his Whoscored.com average match rating, which was very high. Obviously while you can't make a definitive assessment of a player based off that, you have to have done at least fairly well to get a high rating like Amavi did.
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I am hopeful of Amavi being our first decent left back in a few years, but I would disagree with your first comment re being one of the best defenders in Europe last season. He is athletic and skilful but hasn't been selected for a France squad yet.
According to the OPTA stats he was the best performing left-back in the five major European leagues last season - I guess that's what he was referring to.
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He was rated as one of the best defenders in Europe last season so I don't question his defensive abilities. From what I've seen he literally sprints back into position to track players and I'd be inclined to point to Sinclair for any issues with tracking back against Wolves. He's made a few mistakes with ball control, but he's obviously a bit nervous and finding his feet so that will come with confidence when he's more settled and familiar with his new team mates.
What did piss me off against Wolves was how he made himself open on the left and the midfield either slowed played down or seemingly refused to pass him the ball...I'm not sure why.
As for the Trinity moaners...I'm sure he'll have them on side pretty sharpish with the amount of running and skills he'll be showcasing down the left wing.
you leave us Trinity moaners out of it.......most of us take our afternoon nap through the match so not moaning all the time!!!!
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Dave, passitsideways, cheers for your clarifications.
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Excellent going fed yday and good recovery pace. But v weak defending for their second
I think we'll see a bit more of that in the next few weeks
He does look very talented though doesn't he?
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maybe a little early to say it but I can see him going very far, very composed player.
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maybe a little early to say it but I can see him going very far, very composed player.
Cool as a cucumber. What a debut! Most touches by any player 76, 10 tackles won. Stopped Bournemouth's attacks down his side (especially first half) and then countered it with his own. My MOTM. I have high hopes. Fingers crossed he's not a Tony Moon false dawn.
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If we're talking potential players we'll double or treble our money on in a couple of years, I think Amavi looked the one of our new signings. He looks like the sort of fullback who'll eventually end up at somewhere like Arsenal etc. The other players looked largely okay, but we're perhaps their level, but of course we'll see how Veretout develops and whether he lives up to his U-20's hype.
But Amavi, some positional issues aside looking very good. As the game wore on he gained in confidence and made some fantastic surging runs. I think we've got Left back right this time.
Gueye impressed me too. Went about his job efficiently. He definitely looks like a Premiership player. Probably not a top 4-6 player, but he could be a solid player for us for 3-4 years hopefully.
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Don't want to get carried away with a promising debut, as we've seen plenty of them over the years -Cissoko last season being a case in point.
But this chap and Veretout were the two signings I was most pleased with.
The fullback position used to be seen as something of an afterthought. O'No thought it was quite OK stick centre halves or reserve midfielders there.
But it is probably one of the most important positions in any team now, so it makes sense to prioritise that with one of your best players.
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Throw enough left backs against the wall and one will stick. Was Bouma our last decent one?
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The fullback position used to be seen as something of an afterthought. O'No thought it was quite OK stick centre halves or reserve midfielders there.
Don't forget forwards.
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Apparently he was getting slaughtered on Talkshite at half time for not being able to defend. Not sure by who as I only read about it. Clowns.
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Armavi, Veretout and Gueye look players to me, and proper players as well. And I don't think it will take them long to settle in...
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He came with a huge reputation and in each game he has played you can see why. Apart from all that he seems like a good lad as well.
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I think he'll be the star signing from this summer, his pace and ability to beat his man nudge him up a level from most fullbacks in the league but he can defend as well, which is good for a player like him at his age. There are a few positioning issues but he'll learn. My favourite thing though is that he's always on his toes and looking to get across the front of his winger and intercept the pass, I like it because it forces teams to think a bit before sliding balls into the wingers feet and if they go long the aforementioned pace is very useful.
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Apparently he was getting slaughtered on Talkshite at half time for not being able to defend. Not sure by who as I only read about it. Clowns.
Moose (Abrahams) was there for talksport & you can write what he knows about football on the back of a postage stamp
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Amavi will be a top player.
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Armavi, Veretout and Gueye look players to me, and proper players as well. And I don't think it will take them long to settle in...
I think they are that good, they wont be here for very long. But as long as we continue with the buying quality philosophy it doesn't matter.
The important thing is having somebody who can spot them, Tim looks pretty good at it.
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Playing week in week out the way he did on Saturday Amavi will get us over double what we paid back in a very short space of time. Really did look the part. 8.26 on who scored, man of match on the fantasy league site too.
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Yeah he does look like he'll be top four quality very soon. Maybe even next season.
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Apparently he was getting slaughtered on Talkshite at half time for not being able to defend. Not sure by who as I only read about it. Clowns.
Moose (Abrahams) was there for talksport & you can write what he knows about football on the back of a postage stamp
The Moose slaughtered him at the end of the first half and then after the break admitted he had bumped into an ex pro at half time who reckoned he was the best player on the pitch. I think he made a comment along the lines of "shows what I know" so it was sort of a retraction.
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Phil Thompson was raving about him on Sky - especially his pace
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The bit where he steamed past three of their players, about a minute after murdering the full back previously, and he couldn't quite get the cross in, so he flattened the Bournemouth defender, instead was a quite brilliant moment.
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Yeah he does look like he'll be top four quality very soon. Maybe even next season.
Maybe playing for us?
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How long is his contract? Was it a 3 or 5 year deal? The club need to make sure there's a new contract offer on the table next summer if its only 3 years.
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It was five.
I think most of them were five.
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Yep 5 year deal according to BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/33582808). Hopefully we'll be able to keep and develop these players together for a few seasons...add some more quality in the transfer windows, and be pushing for Europe (not getting carried away, but when you add quality to quality then success and results are inevitable).
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It was five.
I think most of them were five.
What about the release clauses?
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It was five.
I think most of them were five.
I think Gueye was 4 buy the rest 5
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If anyone's looking for a song suggestion - Jordan Amavi to the tune of Ra Ra Rasputin. (One for the teenagers there!)
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Amavi Barmy Army
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If anyone's looking for a song suggestion - Jordan Amavi to the tune of Ra Ra Rasputin. (One for the teenagers there!)
This has potential.
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If anyone's looking for a song suggestion - Jordan Amavi to the tune of Ra Ra Rasputin. (One for the teenagers there!)
This has potential.
"Jordan Am-a-vi
Best left back in the league."
Sorted. Get the place rocking on Friday night.
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"Jor-dan Am-av-i,
Villa's greatest cross machine
He sticks the ball on Rudy's bonce"
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"Jor-dan Am-av-i,
Villa's greatest cross machine
He sticks the ball on Rudy's bonce"
Boney M?
Edit: just read above, yes it is I see.
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With the clapping in between, could be pretty catchy.
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There's only one Jordan Amavi.
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Wile E Kouyaté @tomvictor Aug 14
do Villa have a chant to the tune of Eiffel 65's 'Blue' that goes "Veretout Amavi Gana Gueye, Amavi Gana Gueye"? If not, why not?
brilliant
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He's rather good, isn't he?
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He's rather good, isn't he?
He was superb for most of the game today (he made a couple of mistakes and tired later on) I think he'll prove to be an absolute bargain.
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Yep, he's going to become a superb player.
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If he can curb his enthusiasm when defending he'll prove to be the dogs wotsits.
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Got the feeling he'd been instructed to not press on so much this afternoon...there were times when he was available wide left on the half way line and just needed to be put through, but he didn't make any attempt to show for the ball, make a run and team mates seemed to ignore the fact that he literally had the whole of the Sunderland half to run into. Really not sure why particularly at the times when he was unmarked and wouldn't have been caught out of position if he'd been played in.
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Got the feeling he'd been instructed to not press on so much this afternoon...there were times when he was available wide left on the half way line and just needed to be put through, but he didn't make any attempt to show for the ball, make a run and team mates seemed to ignore the fact that he literally had the whole of the Sunderland half to run into. Really not sure why particularly at the times when he was unmarked and wouldn't have been caught out of position if he'd been played in.
My guess would be that it was because he was tiring, he looked fucked on about 80 minutes.
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Fair comment but I was actually talking about the first half...there were a few times when Amavi and Gueye had the opportunity to work a move down the left with acres of space ahead of them but it was almost as if there was an invisible wall preventing them from attacking down the left. Sure enough, when we finally attack down the left we score just before half time.
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I'm going to enjoy watching him and Jack in the same side. They might take the royal piss out of a few opposing RB's.
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It's proper heart-in-mouth stuff when he does those stepovers high up the pitch or when he charges out of position in a fit of overenthusiasm but on the whole he looks a splendid talent.
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At the moment he looks better going forward than defending. As well as giving away the free kick for their goal today he let their number 17 get behind him really cheaply a few minutes later.
French mates told me he he is good and fast but prone to positional errors. Based on today and Palace I would agree, but he looks like potentially like our best signing this summer to me.
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Worth remembering that Kev is only 21 and only played about 60 league games in his career. For someone pretty inexperienced he looks a potentially great signing.
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Kev?
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He's superb. Doesn't seem to have any weaknesses to his game, and has that great ability all good full backs have to get up and down the line without leaving gaps for the opposition to expose.
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Perhaps we could get in Ashley Cole to advise him on defensive duties. He knows a bit about the responsibilities of the left back position and is free at the moment.
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At the moment he looks better going forward than defending. As well as giving away the free kick for their goal today he let their number 17 get behind him really cheaply a few minutes later.
French mates told me he he is good and fast but prone to positional errors. Based on today and Palace I would agree, but he looks like potentially like our best signing this summer to me.
About right that. Again yesterday very exciting set up superbly for Sinclair and I am not sure if it was his cross that Richards messed up but that free kick foul...there was no need.
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Kev?
His middle name is Kevin, which for some reason tickles me.
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A good photo of Kev, airborne.
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/08/29/17/2BC6401900000578-3215340-Rdy_Gestede_was_unable_to_find_the_right_touch_to_provide_Villa_-a-11_1440866974587.jpg)
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Kev has morphed into Camille!
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Kev?
His middle name is Kevin, which for some reason tickles me.
haha, it's just so out of place isn't it? May as well be Bob or Harold or Trevor
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Just give amavi a video of john gidman tell him to watch it over and over and what a player we would have then
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He can be taught the defensive stuff
I think he's going to be absolutely fantastic
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Just give amavi a video of john gidman tell him to watch it over and over and what a player we would have then
excuse my ignorance, but wouldn't we then have a decent fullback with bags of potential who has watched a John Gidman video ? :)
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Just give amavi a video of john gidman tell him to watch it over and over and what a player we would have then
excuse my ignorance, but wouldn't we then have a decent fullback with bags of potential who has watched a John Gidman video ? :)
You obviously didn't see John Gidman.
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A good photo of Kev, airborne.
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/08/29/17/2BC6401900000578-3215340-Rdy_Gestede_was_unable_to_find_the_right_touch_to_provide_Villa_-a-11_1440866974587.jpg)
Er.... isn't that Gestede?
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He will play for France at some stage, there's no doubt about that.
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I'm confused, who's Kev, Gestede or Amavi?
Ruddy Kev or Jordan Kev?
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Both French men
Rudy Philippe Michel Camille Gestede[1]
Date of birth 10 October 1988 (age 26)
Place of birth Essey-lès-Nancy, France
and
Full name Jordan Kevin Amavi[1]
Date of birth 9 March 1994 (age 21)
Place of birth Toulon, France
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Somebody born in 1994 is in their 20's. Jesus Fucking Christ.
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Cheers Aftab.
A few English names including Kevin became a really popular name in France about 25 years ago. See Jordan and Dylan too.
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Somebody born in 1994 is in their 20's. Jesus Fucking Christ.
That can't be right, that was only 10 years ago!
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When we won the 1994 League Cup final, Kev hadn't been born yet. How old do we all feel now?
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Cheers Aftab.
A few English names including Kevin became a really popular name in France about 25 years ago. See Jordan and Dylan too.
Clearly named after Kevin Richardson so he was born to play for us!
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When we won the 1994 League Cup final, Kev hadn't been born yet. How old do we all feel now?
Old as fuck.
Friend of mine who is 31 was trying to pull this bird the other week. She said she was 20. It didn't sound too horrendous until I pointed out to him she was born in 1995. Just saying the year suddenly mate it bloody awful. Cue Steptoe impressions... "Dirty old man!"
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When we won the 1994 League Cup final, Kev hadn't been born yet. How old do we all feel now?
We won the cup on March 27. Jordan was 18 days old!
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When we won the 1994 League Cup final, Kev hadn't been born yet. How old do we all feel now?
We won the cup on March 27. Jordan was 18 days old!
And Jack was having a swim inside Kevins ball bag.
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Well I was close!
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Well I was close!
To Kevin's ballbag?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=109&v=C9-EkfMIhjM
Cracking ( 94th min ) goal for Ghana vs Congo, yesterday, this why we bought Jordan Ayew and , hopefully, the type of goal we can look forward to him scoring for us...............Godzvilla!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=109&v=C9-EkfMIhjM
Cracking ( 94th min ) goal for Ghana vs Congo, yesterday, this why we bought Jordan Ayew and , hopefully, the type of goal we can look forward to him scoring for us...............Godzvilla!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=109&v=C9-EkfMIhjM
Cracking ( 94th min ) goal for Ghana vs Congo, yesterday, this why we bought Jordan Ayew and , hopefully, the type of goal we can look forward to him scoring for us...............Godzvilla!
Apologies all , got the wrong´Jordan´( an understandable error , given how many we now have! ).............Godzvilla!
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Should Jordan Amavi play further forward? I.e. left wing
I have just been watching the highlights of the Villa, Sunderland match and I’ve come to the conclusion that Jordan Amavi should play further forward in away games.
Before you have me carted away by men in white coats, just follow my reasoning.
We could play Joleon Lescott (on the left) Micah Richards, Ciaran Clark, and Tiago Ilori, (on the right) as our back four which would give us a real attacking presence at free kicks, and they have all played in those positions before.
This means our front-line would be Jordan Amavi, Jack Grealish, Adama Traore,
With Sinclair as our lone striker.
I would be happy for any combination of our midfield players to fill the two defensive midfield positions.
Everyone’s been winning away based on playing narrow and hitting the home side on the break.
So what do you think, could Jordan play further forward?
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This is like late night TV ???
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Undoubtedly yes...but having just signed our best left back in years, I'd rather he played in the position he was brought in for otherwise we go back to square one and you end up resembling a team knocked together by Tony Pulis.
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You're right about the all the away wins. MON was truly a visionary.
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Now that we have an ace LB let's keep him there. We have enough wing/wide options. I'm really looking forward to him and Jack having a run in the side together.
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Quality goal for the U23 team tonight for France against Brazil.
Such a good player.
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Now that we have an ace LB let's keep him there. We have enough wing/wide options. I'm really looking forward to him and Jack having a run in the side together.
Same here mate, I think they'll really help each other.
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Very good goal. Not sure why he was on the right of midfield though!
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Yeah strange he was playing right midfield...but at least shows his versatility. Very good player and can play with both feet.
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Yeah strange he was playing right midfield...but at least shows his versatility. Very good player and can play with both feet.
Could it be that he'd just takena corner or free kick and was still over on that side when they won the ball back, I don't know but that seems the most sensible explanation.
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Any highlight videos for us to see the goal ;)
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Highlights? Try this..
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Thanks for the video Rudy.
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My pleasure, Dazza.
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They still have U23 games? Thought that was scrapped when they let a specified amount (3?) of older fellas play U21's.
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They still have U23 games? Thought that was scrapped when they let a specified amount (3?) of older fellas play U21's.
I'm pretty sure that the football at the Olympics is U23. I'm led to believe that the rest of the world takes it quite seriously.
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Cheers Aftab.
A few English names including Kevin became a really popular name in France about 25 years ago. See Jordan and Dylan too.
I'm sure I remember reading that French parents had to choose from a set list of (French-approved) names for their children, precisely to stop lots of English/American names sneaking in. Have they changed the rules?
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They still have U23 games? Thought that was scrapped when they let a specified amount (3?) of older fellas play U21's.
I'm pretty sure that the football at the Olympics is U23. I'm led to believe that the rest of the world takes it quite seriously.
The Olympics is for under-23's but each squad is allowed three over-23 players. The Women's version has no age restrictions.
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Thanks for the vid Rudy - Amavi makes a big contribution in the build up as well as finishing it off...quality!
And I love the way the commentator says "Amaaaavvviiiiiiiii"!
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It's written before the game last weekend but still an interesting article on Amavi...
http://www.whoscored.com/Articles/t6gdczbjq0aps9k9iocqwa/Show/Player-Focus-Amavi-Rapidly-Emerging-as-Villa-Fan-Favourite (http://www.whoscored.com/Articles/t6gdczbjq0aps9k9iocqwa/Show/Player-Focus-Amavi-Rapidly-Emerging-as-Villa-Fan-Favourite)
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I like Amavi but he needs to cut out the basic errors of conceding silly free kicks around our box and generally getting Schooled once or twice a game .
Like I say before he's like an unrefined Ashley Cole and could be brilliant next season
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I think he is more suited to being a left sided midfielder/winger
I like him but he bottles too many challenges for me and defensively I'm not overly impressed
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i like him, there has been some superb deliveries, but so many silly little errors and lapses at the back... but he's 21 and finding his feet in a stronger league.
it's arguably a steeper learning curve in a struggling team. if we were winning matches, no one would be overly bothered.
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He seems increasingly unwilling to beat his man and get down the wing these last few games...obviously the few occasions that he has done, he's nailed a cross onto Gestedes' head so it may be going relatively unnoticed.
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Like many of signings he's been brought in and not developed yet. The idea is he's coached into a top player. He's bought with sell on value again like the others. Its frustrating unless win a cup he be off to arsenal or man city in a few years. Though a big money signing to psg in exchange for zlatan in January would be out of this world.
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Like many of signings he's been brought in and not developed yet. The idea is he's coached into a top player. He's bought with sell on value again like the others. Its frustrating unless win a cup he be off to arsenal or man city in a few years. Though a big money signing to psg in exchange for zlatan in January would be out of this world.
Oh Dear. Skillz, your recent posts were showing signs of great maturity, much like SoccerHQ when he came through the H&V youth system a decade ago and quickly learned to cut out the FootballMangerisms and flghts of fancy. This, though, is a clear backward step.
No more patronising, promise.
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It's as if Tim Sherwood has no end to his laughable decisions he's been justifying why Amavi is now behind the deadly Kieran Fucking Richardson at LB. Apparently he's been looking at individual players and the mistakes they've made yet players like Westwood remain constants in the side. Guzan will play tomorrow and I have no doubt Gabby will be back in also. It's fucking mental.
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I'd love to see his first half vs second half stats. It's like somebody drugs him at half time.
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I thought he said he didn't want players to be scared of making mistakes? He's talking gobbledegook again.
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I'd love to see his first half vs second half stats. It's like somebody drugs him at half time.
are you talking about Amavi or Sherwood?
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If Tim wants to eliminate individual errors I trust he's been looking in the mirror too.
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Richardson over Amavi. I think tactic Tim has lost the plot
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So of all the problems we have had this season and all the shite we have had to watch, the one player he has chosen to single out is Amavi, who, in spite of some mistakes, has generally been one of more capable performers.
Smacks of an arrogant man making a point about the transfer policy.
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Richardson over Amavi. I think tactic Tim has lost the plot
I actually want TS to succeed but stuff like this drives me mad. It's nuts. I'd genuinely have Joe Bennett over Richardson. In fact, I think Lenny Bennett would be a better choice....
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Richardson over Amavi. I think tactic Tim has lost the plot
I like Amavi and think he could become a very good player but he is prone in going into his shell. Whereby he stops making the runs and stays in his own half. For once I think Sherwood has done the right thing by giving him a little breather.
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He's been arguably our most threatening player, and while I understand he's been a bit rash in his decision making at times, and cost us a few goals, why not play him left midfield/wing? while he's maturing. Better than bloody Gabby, or Sinclair down that flank. But I get the feeling the team selections now are all prejudiced by Timmy's (false) narrative that the club didn't give him the players he wanted in the summer to explain why he failed/got sacked so miserably.
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Yeah, dropping the one player in the side who puts in the type of crosses that Gestede needs to bring in a guy who has made just as many mistakes but also can't cross makes perfect sense.
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You couldn't make it up.
It's like he wants to knock off falling into every trap and cliche before he gets the boot.
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Richardson was at fault for the 2nd goal. Got sucked infield which left Barrow or whoever it was the freedom of the left to cross it in.
He also pissed me off messing around and conceding a corner right at the end which finished the game.
Bring Amavi back.
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Richardson was at fault for the 2nd goal. Got sucked infield which left Barrow or whoever it was the freedom of the left to cross it in.
He also pissed me off messing around and conceding a corner right at the end which finished the game.
Bring Amavi back.
Crime against hair as well
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Richardson was at fault for the 2nd goal. Got sucked infield which left Barrow or whoever it was the freedom of the left to cross it in.
He also pissed me off messing around and conceding a corner right at the end which finished the game.
Bring Amavi back.
Richardson was knackered, it was obvious well before the goal, he got booked for bringing down the sub Barrow who is shite by the way but was made to look like Messi by the tiring Richardson. It was just stubbornness of the manager not to change things and shows he needs to go. Amavi, Richards and Gana have been our best three players, how the feck he is left on the bench is a disgrace.
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I agree with you Ormy, his team selections appear to maximise the use of players he inherited and minimise the use of those foreign players bought in during the summer. He seems to be shoring up his claim that none of it is his fault.
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They were there to be had out wide defensively as well. Amavi's pace would have been an asset.
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I thought tactics didn't want them to be scared of making mistakes either? Well you make a couple and if you aren't one of his signings you're fucked off for an old clogger who was shit 5 years ago nevermind now.
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I thought tactics didn't want them to be scared of making mistakes either? Well you make a couple and if you aren't one of his signings you're fucked off for an old clogger who was shit 5 years ago nevermind now.
It might also help if he didn't slag them all off after every game and accept no responsibility for himself.
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Thought Richardson did ok actually. He certainly wasn't the worst of our lot.
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Yesterday the bloke next to me said this lad Barrow is quick, (I had never heard of him) so it proved to be and with both Lescott and Richardson on the left hand side it was like taking sweets from a baby.
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I thought Richardson was ok today, but after he was booked even my 11 year old said swap him for Amavi as he wont keep up with Barrow. It was that obvious. he was shattered and on a booking,
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Looks like Amavi may have done his ACL in the France game tonight. I've only seen one picture on Twitter but it doesn't look good.
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Here we go.....
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Looks like Amavi may have done his ACL in the France game tonight. I've only seen one picture on Twitter but it doesn't look good.
Bollux!
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Oh christ, not good.
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The picture is bad to be fair. Gutted.
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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CTok9LyWsAIlydj.jpg (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CTok9LyWsAIlydj.jpg)
I am going to go ahead and assume it is a bad one.
Edit video is worse watch at your own risk
https://twitter.com/Olimas99/status/664886171382784000
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Pointless international break. Very annoying and very predictable.
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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CTok9LyWsAIlydj.jpg (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CTok9LyWsAIlydj.jpg)
I am going to go ahead and assume it is a bad one.
Edit video is worse watch at your own risk
https://twitter.com/Olimas99/status/664886171382784000
Fu*k me that's horrible!
We're gonna miss him.
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That looks pretty horrendous.
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Fucking man-bun will be in.
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That does not look good. Speedy recovery Jordan.
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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CTok9LyWsAIlydj.jpg (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CTok9LyWsAIlydj.jpg)
I am going to go ahead and assume it is a bad one.
Edit video is worse watch at your own risk
https://twitter.com/Olimas99/status/664886171382784000
Shit, that looks bad.
Poor kid
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Every fucking time. There can't be a club in Europe gets as many injuries as us.
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Could only happen to us
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Pointless fucking friendlies.
Bollocks. Really felt he was going to kick in under Remi's guidance.
Having that League 1 joker Richardson back in is really going to impact on us.
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Losing one of our playing necessities at this stage of the season will be a monstrous blow.
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I'd play nzogbia ahead of Richardson at left back in his absence. That says more about Richardson than anything, though.
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Can't we recall Aly Cissokho ?
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There's always the option of Lescott at LB.
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Looks like a dislocation judging by the stills.
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That looks really nasty. Wishing Jordan a speedy recovery but I'd be surprised if we see him before the end of the season. Poor lad.
I wonder if Remi fancies bringing back Aly Cissokho from Porto. They know each other from Lyon but Aly has only managed 2 league appearances for Porto and one in the cup. We also have Kieran Richardson and Lewis Kinsella.
Crap news. I so hate (pointless) international games.
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There's always the option of Lescott at LB.
uh oh
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There's always the option of Lescott at LB.
I'm available.
Experienced.
Very.
Other than that, utter shite.
Crespo will fill in I assume. Clark?
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Fuckin bollox
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I'd play nzogbia ahead of Richardson at left back in his absence. That says more about Richardson than anything, though.
Richardson had a decent game last time he played but he's not really the answer we need. Bollocks!
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There's always the option of Lescott at LB.
Scary
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If we can get Cissokho back, that would be my first choice.
If not:
There's always the option of Lescott at LB.
That makes a lot of sense. Pretty much the best form of his career was at left-back for Everton. Wouldn't be ideal, but preferable to N'Zogbia, Richardson, or Lescott in the middle and Clark wide.
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Looks like a dislocation judging by the stills.
That's what I thought - but I don't know which would be worse (or less bad is probably a better way to phrase it) - any medical views or just wait and hope it's not how it looks - I really like h and thought he would benefit massively from Garde's influence
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Gestede crocked too, it's been a very bad night for us so far. :(
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Why me Lord - every f.... time we get this.
Playing a pointless ..... ..... ...... game.
AAAAAAARGH
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Oh shit! A few ominous comments on l'équipe magazine, notably "If you saw the match, you know his season is over".
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Gestede crocked too, it's been a very bad night for so far.
As long as it's not his head
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http://www.thescore.com/epl/news/879812
Didn't need a stretcher
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Absolute bollocks, stupid friendly's
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Oh dear, that's awful news.
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I hate the International break. Can they not just scrap International football?
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Pointless stupid nothing game.
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Fucking stupid,waste of time bastard international breaks.
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Absolute bollocks, stupid friendly's
It wasn't a friendly.
It's still equally annoying, regardless of whether it was a competitive match or not.
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Fucks sake.
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Could be worse, could be are main goal scorer.
God my humour is getting as dark as our prospects
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Doesn't look too bad now
Picture of him actually walking off with 2 physios either side of him. Surely if it was career ending its a stretcher and oxygen job.
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Give him a Balti Pie RIGHT NOW
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http://www.thescore.com/epl/news/879812
Didn't need a stretcher
how the hell did he walk off after that? is he double-jointed
why did the medics let him walk off anyway?
after watching the video, I was thinking that at best he's just out for the season and that possibly it was a career ender.
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http://www.thescore.com/epl/news/879812
Didn't need a stretcher
Neither did Okore when he did his if I remember rightly.
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If that isn't his season over then he, and us, will be very very lucky.
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I have never heard "ooh la la" said before in such a masculine way.
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http://www.thescore.com/epl/news/879812
Didn't need a stretcher
how the hell did he walk off after that? is he double-jointed
why did the medics let him walk off anyway?
after watching the video, I was thinking a best he's just out for the season and that possibly it was a career ender.
It wasn't just me then. From one angle it looks like his lower leg twists at such an angle from his knee that it's a surprise his shin is still attached.
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http://www.thescore.com/epl/news/879812
Didn't need a stretcher
Neither did Okore when he did his if I remember rightly.
Okore came back on after the injury ,then hobbled off few mins later it looked nothing too serious ..
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http://www.thescore.com/epl/news/879812
Didn't need a stretcher
Neither did Okore when he did his if I remember rightly.
Okore came back on after the injury ,then hobbled off few mins later it looked nothing too serious ..
Ditto Callum Wilson
Real shame if its as bad as it looks
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Can I ask that people don't post any photos or videos, I don't want to see the injury and I'm sure if people do they can use something called Google.
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I hate the International break. Can they not just scrap International football?
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Difficult not to agree with those sentiments, given the ever growing list of players we have lost to International ´duty ´, over the past few seasons. Vlaar & Senderos ( who looked to be forming a decent partnership), come immediately to mind, not to mention Benteke & Okore.
Accidents waiting to happen ( Amavi accident already happened ).
Ciaran Clark. ( 2 possible games ) has joined up with the Republic of Ireland squad ahead of their UEFA European Championship play-off with Bosnia and Herzegovina. He'll be in action on Friday and Monday
Rudy Gestede ( 2 possible games ) will lead the line for Benin in a double header with Burkina Faso,
Jordan Ayew's Ghana will come up against Comoros.
Idrissa Gueye's Senegal face off with Madagascar.
Carlos Sanchez ( 2 possible games ) will feature for Colombia vs Chile in a World Cup qualifier on Thursday, before playing Argentina on Monday
Brad Guzan ( 2 possible games....again !!) is in the USA squad, against St Vincent & Grenadines and then Trinidad and Tobago as their own qualification campaign gets underway. And young Keeper, Matija Sarkic, has been selected for Montenegro U21s.
...................Godzvilla!
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It's okay we've got the reliable Kieran Richardson as cover.
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Fucking fuck the fuck off. Fucking worthless internationals. The FFF should have to buy us another left-back to cover for him while he's out.
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http://www.thescore.com/epl/news/879812
Didn't need a stretcher
Neither did Okore when he did his if I remember rightly.
Okore came back on after the injury ,then hobbled off few mins later it looked nothing too serious ..
I played the best golf of my life for the remaining 8 holes after rupturing my ACL.
Don't ever get in a golf cart with me :D
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He said: "Our doctor and that of Guingamp are trying to look after him. According to the first information available that it would be a knee sprain. It is not yet known whether the ligament is ruptured. It's too early to say."
Please pray it is just a knee strain.
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Hoping for the best. Just very unfortunate and as we have seen with Benteke and Kozak it could just as easily happened in training. I don't see the point blaming internationals.
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Fucking fantastic. I'd rather we put the McGregor statue at left back than Richardson.
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Hoping for the best. Just very unfortunate and as we have seen with Benteke and Kozak it could just as easily happened in training. I don't see the point blaming internationals.
Especially as it was an U21 qualifer for the Euros. A competition that has been going for about 40 years.
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Please pray it is just a knee strain.
We're fucked, I'm an atheist.
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I'd play nzogbia ahead of Richardson at left back in his absence. That says more about Richardson than anything, though.
Agreed.
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Perhaps it's a little limp. In which case, get well soon, Jordan.
Either way, really.
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Hoping for the best. Just very unfortunate and as we have seen with Benteke and Kozak it could just as easily happened in training. I don't see the point blaming internationals.
Especially as it was an U21 qualifer for the Euros. A competition that has been going for about 40 years.
Beat me to it.
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Bastard.
Sadly it looks as if Jordan Amavi’s season is over. Ouch! #AVFC
9:51 PM - 12 Nov 2015
35 35 Retweets 5 5 likes
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Obviously this happens.
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I'd play nzogbia ahead of Richardson at left back in his absence. That says more about Richardson than anything, though.
Agreed.
I'd prefer some sort of ballot system whereby fans got to play for us at left back than giving Richardson the role.
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Can Ralf Little play left back?
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If Liverpool are looking at recalling Ilori, surely we could find a way of doing likewise with Bennett.
Cheeky loan for Ashley Cole (youth at Arsenal when Garde was there?) in January if it is long term.
Gutted for Amavi.
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Bastard.
Sadly it looks as if Jordan Amavi’s season is over. Ouch! #AVFC
9:51 PM - 12 Nov 2015
35 35 Retweets 5 5 likes
Who tweeted that?
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Cheeky loan for Ashley Cole (youth at Arsenal when Garde was there?) in January if it is long term.
Loaning him from where?
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Can Ilori play left back? Forgot we had him to be honest.
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He is still registered to Roma isn't he. Might not be playing, but still registered?
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Can Ilori play left back? Forgot we had him to be honest.
Right footed mainly so would be awkward. NZogbia is not a bad shout there in fairness.
Anyone but Richardson!
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Just can't see this as being a strain, looks much more serious than that. I'd be surprised if it's not an end to his season.
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Can Ilori play left back? Forgot we had him to be honest.
Right footed mainly so would be awkward. NZogbia is not a bad shout there in fairness.
Anyone but Richardson!
Clark?
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Dare I say it, Lescott? Pace might be an issue, but played there for years at Everton and might be a solid if unspectacular option.
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Awful news, I really rate the kid, this is a massive blow for us for many reasons. Hopefully he can come back and his career won't be badly affected although that is doubtful considering he's pretty pacy.
Yeah Lescott played a lot under Pulis last season at Left back but tactics will have to be altered as we can't play a high line with his lack of pace there, we get beaten on the sides too often as it is.
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I don't have a massive issue with Richardson. My worry is not with him, but that we've lost a player with the potential to make a difference. At best Richardson will be solid.
Cole is not a bad shout as a stop gap.
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As awful as it appeared, we don't really know how bad it might be.
TV replays in super slo mo make even the softest things look like leg breakers or career ending injuries, when they are actually nothing of the sort.
I really want to be positive and wait for an official announcement that it's just a bad sprain and he'll be out for 4 -6 weeks or something.
The fact he was not stretchered off gives me a tiny bit of hope.
Of course, it's entirely hope on my part, but lets try and be hopeful, hey?
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No chance looking through the curtains at that video, out for the season and probably a bit more. Looked as bad as Bouma's.
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He is still registered to Roma isn't he. Might not be playing, but still registered?
Contract terminated in August.
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It is better to wait for a proper examination of his knees so we know how serious is his injury.
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Gutted for him, Garde and us. I was expecting him to flourish under Garde.
Cole would be a great signing for the remainder of the season. I really don't fancy Lescott after what I have seen so far, he's been a real disappointment.
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It's got 9 months out written all over it. So the start of next season. Ashley Cole is a great thought. Garde might even know him as he would presumably have been on Arsenal's books as a youth player when he was there.
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I just thought Cole had retired or would go to the MLS or something. He was frozen out at Chelsea and didn't last long at Roma so not sure he can hack the pace of top level football anymore.
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A massive blow, no two ways about it. I remarked to my brother on Sunday that Jordan reminded me of Mark Delaney in the way he threw himself into some tackles, so I can be blamed for putting the hex on him.
Back to the drawing board for Rémi, I am afraid. I think he will be forced to play Richardson, and then try to provide a wide left attacking threat from another player, thus disturbing his overall plan. Lescott would be slaughtered by any wide right sided attacker with pace.
Based on everything I have read about Garde, I would bet heavily against him purchasing Cole.
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I wonder if we can recall Aly Cissokho from his loan. If not, I'd rather play Crespo or Clark at left back than Richardson.
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He is still registered to Roma isn't he. Might not be playing, but still registered?
Contract terminated in August.
Interesting that he was in Roma's physio room this week with Mohammed Salah then?
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Having had a look online, some say he is a free agent, others say he is seeing out the final year despite Roma not wanting him.
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If he were a free agent I don't he would be on a treatment table in Rome. Anyway whichever he is out isn't it Amavi is out he would be a good signing to cover the gap.
The video make it look horrible.
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god damnit, just got off work and just heard the news. I hope the kids alright, what bad luck. Really don't know how bad it is. Kind of looked as if it dislocated and all seemed in tact when he limped off.
Fingers crossed.
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if ashley haven't played for 4 months he will be playing catch up on fitness/training.
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if ashley haven't played for 4 months he will be playing catch up on fitness/training.
Which would make him our best left back
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Get well soon Jordan, that's a bloody disaster.
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Let's wait and see, the video makes it look bad but I've seen ones that look just as bd turn out to be nothing too serious.
I'd go with a dislocation but that can cause some ligament damage so wait for the assessment. could be as little as 3-4 weeks if it's just a dislocation.
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Bad news, I hope he has a swift recovery.
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I remember seeing David Platt come out of VP on crutches with his leg in plaster, and still be fit to play in the next game.
Mind you, he did eventually start to display symptoms of being a moon-faced dick
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Terrible. Hopefully he gets better soon, but I don't think we'll be seeing him before next season. Hopefully wrong.
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I remember seeing David Platt come out of VP on crutches with his leg in plaster, and still be fit to play in the next game.
Mind you, he did eventually start to display symptoms of being a moon-faced dick
There may be a link here, as Alan Brazil is always going on about playing through injury.
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I remember seeing David Platt come out of VP on crutches with his leg in plaster, and still be fit to play in the next game.
Mind you, he did eventually start to display symptoms of being a moon-faced dick
I prefer balloon-faced dick
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Balloon, spoon, moon, it's all the same. He's still a dick.
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I remember seeing David Platt come out of VP on crutches with his leg in plaster, and still be fit to play in the next game.
Mind you, he did eventually start to display symptoms of being a moon-faced dick
There may be a link here, as Alan Brazil is always going on about playing through injury.
Wasn't that one of Andy Gray's complaints back in the day, too.
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When he wanted away it was.
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I remember seeing David Platt come out of VP on crutches with his leg in plaster, and still be fit to play in the next game.
Mind you, he did eventually start to display symptoms of being a moon-faced dick
There may be a link here, as Alan Brazil is always going on about playing through injury.
Wasn't that one of Andy Gray's complaints back in the day, too.
I did think about Gray, but decided the "moon faced" bit didn't quite fit.
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I remember seeing David Platt come out of VP on crutches with his leg in plaster, and still be fit to play in the next game.
Was that after the 6-0 cup game against Port Vale in 1990? It was reported at the time that Aspin's tackle (it was a terrible challenge from behind) had broken Platt's leg.
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Having a scan in a French hospital this afternoon, according to SSN
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Just wondering if he is having a scan in France, does the French F A pay for his treatment also his wages to the Villa because he was on international duty
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I remember seeing David Platt come out of VP on crutches with his leg in plaster, and still be fit to play in the next game.
Was that after the 6-0 cup game against Port Vale in 1990? It was reported at the time that Aspin's tackle (it was a terrible challenge from behind) had broken Platt's leg.
And then we played Leeds in the week, if memory serves, and Platt made a miraculous recovery.
Ask me about a game from last season and I couldn't tell you anything!
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Just wondering if he is having a scan in France, does the French F A pay for his treatment also his wages to the Villa because he was on international duty
Probably be some kind of insurance from some of the costs.
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I remember seeing David Platt come out of VP on crutches with his leg in plaster, and still be fit to play in the next game.
Was that after the 6-0 cup game against Port Vale in 1990? It was reported at the time that Aspin's tackle (it was a terrible challenge from behind) had broken Platt's leg.
And then we played Leeds in the week, if memory serves, and Platt made a miraculous recovery.
Ask me about a game from last season and I couldn't tell you anything!
We were poor.
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I remember seeing David Platt come out of VP on crutches with his leg in plaster, and still be fit to play in the next game.
Was that after the 6-0 cup game against Port Vale in 1990? It was reported at the time that Aspin's tackle (it was a terrible challenge from behind) had broken Platt's leg.
And then we played Leeds in the week, if memory serves, and Platt made a miraculous recovery.
Ask me about a game from last season and I couldn't tell you anything!
We were poor.
That's why he can't remember
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Well Bennett is on loan until Jan at Bournemouth, if Amavi isn't fit i'd be tempted to get him back, Don't want Lescott playing there for long or Richardson
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I just hope fingers crossed it's not too serious and he'll be back for the Everton game.
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Not ideal but at least if we go down he can't just up and leave...anyway his defensive performances have contributed to our league position so I'm sure we'll cope.
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Not ideal but at least if we go down he can't just up and leave...anyway his defensive performances have contributed to our league position so I'm sure we'll cope.
:o
Strange post.
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Not ideal but at least if we go down he can't just up and leave...anyway his defensive performances have contributed to our league position so I'm sure we'll cope.
:o
Strange post.
In a shopping centre on a phone in a kids soft play. Heavily abridged. First bit tongue in cheek second bit meant to point out that although promising him being out shouldn't alone create a panic. Its unfortunate, for him and us, and he has been bright but I think we can cover his absence.
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It will be a plus if he even plays again this season, looks very nasty 20 to 30 years ago a potential career ender
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Does anybody know anything about Lewis Kinsella? I know he went out on loan to Luton for a couple of months at the end of last season. He signed a one year extension to his contract in the summer and Sherwood had him in the squad once or twice.
His twitter account hardly endearing with comments like his latest, "Be selfish loyalty is overrated people take advantage" and the rest is like that of a 12 year old. I couldn't find out anything about his time at Luton other than he overhits his corners.
Anybody?
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Not ideal but at least if we go down he can't just up and leave...anyway his defensive performances have contributed to our league position so I'm sure we'll cope.
:o
Strange post.
In a shopping centre on a phone in a kids soft play. Heavily abridged. First bit tongue in cheek second bit meant to point out that although promising him being out shouldn't alone create a panic. Its unfortunate, for him and us, and he has been bright but I think we can cover his absence.
I'm inclined to agree. Defensively he has been found out a number of times and is still learning the ropes . I think we shouldn't struggle to find adequate cover.
I hope the injury isn' t too serious.
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I remember seeing David Platt come out of VP on crutches with his leg in plaster, and still be fit to play in the next game.
Was that after the 6-0 cup game against Port Vale in 1990? It was reported at the time that Aspin's tackle (it was a terrible challenge from behind) had broken Platt's leg.
That was it. We stood in the pissing rain to try and get his autograph. Imagine.
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Not ideal but at least if we go down he can't just up and leave...anyway his defensive performances have contributed to our league position so I'm sure we'll cope.
:o
Strange post.
In a shopping centre on a phone in a kids soft play. Heavily abridged. First bit tongue in cheek second bit meant to point out that although promising him being out shouldn't alone create a panic. Its unfortunate, for him and us, and he has been bright but I think we can cover his absence.
:o
Strange post.
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Does anybody know anything about Lewis Kinsella? I know he went out on loan to Luton for a couple of months at the end of last season. He signed a one year extension to his contract in the summer and Sherwood had him in the squad once or twice.
His twitter account hardly endearing with comments like his latest, "Be selfish loyalty is overrated people take advantage" and the rest is like that of a 12 year old. I couldn't find out anything about his time at Luton other than he overhits his corners.
Anybody?
He couldn't get in a struggling Luton team towards the end of last season
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So how long does it take to get the results from a scan?
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I'm sure the results are known but to organise some sort of release of the information is probably not a priority right now.
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Granted now but usually the news would have come out much sooner i.e. before yesterday's events.
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if ashley haven't played for 4 months he will be playing catch up on fitness/training.
Played today in the Beckham charity match so he isn't injured.
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Rumours that JA missed his scan in France as the official failed to pick him up. Apparently back in England with results expected later/Mon. Guessing events in Paris influenced this.
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just read that too and the shocking news that Adebayor is tipped yet again to be on his way to B6.
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...the shocking news that Adebayor is tipped yet again to be on his way to B6.
Oh, what?
I thought that went away a long time ago
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not according to media reports this morning; he's instantly available as a free agent and we can't score enough so maybe this time it's got some truth in it although I personally hope it's more bollocks
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It's an easy story. Everyone knows we need a striker.
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not according to media reports this morning; he's instantly available as a free agent and we can't score enough so maybe this time it's got some truth in it although I personally hope it's more bollocks
But as he wouldn't be able to play for us until January the fact that he's available now becomes irrelevant.
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It's an easy story. Everyone knows we need a striker.
And a lot of journalists think Sherwood is still manager
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Surely our interested ended as soon as Sherwood went.
On balance I did want him in August as this season has shown so far we need an experienced premier league player leading the line.
However the way he messed us around and the trouble he brings I'd be amazed if there's still interest in January.
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He's been ruled out for the rest of the season.
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Statement on os confirming season over. Massive blow for Jordan. Get well soon.
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Shit news. Roll on January and open that bloody chequebook.
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Very bad news however he will become a great full back (in our minds) whilst out injured!
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Very bad news however he will become a great full back (in our minds) whilst out injured!
Strange post, he's looked decent.
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Sad news-he's been a bright light in a grim season up to now. Speedy recovery Jordan!
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Very bad news however he will become a great full back (in our minds) whilst out injured!
Strange post, he's looked decent.
I like him and he has huge potential however there is a tendency amongst supporters to elevate long term injured players a couple of notches.
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Oh bollocks. It feels like these kind of long term injuries to key players in key positions only ever happens to us.
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Not surprising if you've seen it. Can't believe someone in their camp said it might be a sprain. A real shame - what is it with us and new players getting bad injuries? Looks like we're stuck with Richardson until at least January. There goes one of few players we have who had a good cross on him, which affects Gestede's usefulness too.
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Massive blow, I thought he would benefit from the new management and organisation, big loss imo
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Not surprising if you've seen it. Can't believe someone in their camp said it might be a sprain. A real shame - what is it with us and new players getting bad injuries? Looks like we're stuck with Richardson until at least January. There goes one of few players we have who had a good cross on him, which affects Gestede's usefulness too.
I think it was DC5 who said that Villa could buy the best 11 players in the world and by Christmas, due to injury, we'd be playing 6 of the reserves.
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Massive blow, I thought he would benefit from the new management and organisation, big loss imo
True, but there is no reason why Richardson can't also benefit.
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It had to be the worst news because it's us obviously.
Time to put Clark at Left Back and Okore back in next to Richards.
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Bloody disasterous for us. Get well soon Jordan.
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Our luck with injuries is fucking atrocious.
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We should cover until January with what we have ....then get one who is out on loan back in .....either Ally or Joe B .....I would prefer Joe back as he is good getting forward - JA and JB are both very similar players ....good going forward and not as good defending
Leave Clark where he is
My fear is this will sum up the season ...one step forward against Man City and then a massive step back like here
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Terrible news for both player and club. He was showing he might really break through as a PL player, and our options now are poor.
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I think it'll be Richardson or Crespo.
Can't see him putting Clark or Lescott there.
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It had to be the worst news because it's us obviously.
Time to put Clark at Left Back and Okore back in next to Richards.
Wrong on both counts for me.
There's a reason why Vlaar pushed over to the left and Okore stayed right at the end of last season, and we saw how pretty that was.
Okore is to right footers what Staunton was to lefties.
Clark (or Lescott) can't play fullback with the way we set up against Man City due to total lack of pace.
It means we're either way to vulnerable to the ball in behind the full back if pushing the back 4 10-15 yards up from the penalty area to compress the space up to the halfway line, or we sit back on the edge of the penalty area like Pulis, but without a front man who can hold up the inevitable hoof type clearances that would bypass our strongest suit at the moment - a midfield that can actually pass the ball.
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Very disappointing but players recover a much better from these types of injuries now. You see them in the NFL a lot and a good number of players come back to have excellent careers (Jamaal Charles, Adrian Peterson, Todd Gurley for example at the running back position). So it's tough for him now but he's at a good age to make a full recovery.
Best of luck Jordan.
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Jordan Amavi @JordanAmavi 28 mins28 minutes ago
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A real blow for us and the lad, he may have had a few dodgy moments but he still looked a real prospect.
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I hope he makes a full recovery. He's the only player in the Villa team who's impressed my non-Villa supporting friends.
Having said that, it's not the hardest position in which to find a replacement in January. And I'm sure our coach has a couple of ideas.
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I hope he makes a full recovery. He's the only player in the Villa team who's impressed my non-Villa supporting friends.
Having said that, it's not the hardest position in which to find a replacement in January. And I'm sure our coach has a couple of ideas.
Our record over the last seemingly billion years suggests otherwise!
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Offer Ashley Cole a loan until.the end of the season. Has to be better than the situation he finds himself in at Roma.
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Oh bollocks. It feels like these kind of long term injuries to key players in key positions only ever happens to us.
Oh I don't know about that. Brighton have had it pretty bad this season.
This is awful news though. He's been easily the most impressive of the new signings for me. He must be gutted.
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Has Joe Bennett got much of a sniff at Bournemouth? If not, get him back and get Garde coaching him. Rico doesnt have the energy levels. I expect Cisse will also get a look in if he can be recalled from Portugal in Jan too.
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Wouldn't play Clark at full back as I don't think he's quick enough. I remember him playing their at Wolves a few years ago and he got done for pace.
Could always recall Warnock from loan (c) Dennis on WM.
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Neither Joe Bennett or Ally Cissokho can be recalled until January.
In other news, I noticed Barry didn't take the penalty against Arsenal?
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According to the scrolling news banner on SSN he's out for the season.
Sorry if it's already been mentioned
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Shame for Jordan and the team, just when I thought we had the first decent left back in ages he's done his cruciate and out for the season. I agree with Smirker, try and get Ashley Cole in.
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So is he expected to be fit for the start of the season?
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He tweeted a photo of Villa Park yesterday and someone said "i hope you stay" and he retweeted it so hopefully so, could be a massive player for us next season.
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could be a massive player for us next season.
If he does decide to stay, then I think he would be wasted at left back. I would play him where he played for the French U20's on the left side of midfield.
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I would love him to stay. At times he looked fantastic last season and I think he could be an incredible player for us.
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could be a massive player for us next season.
If he does decide to stay, then I think he would be wasted at left back. I would play him where he played for the French U20's on the left side of midfield.
Completely agree
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could be a massive player for us next season.
If he does decide to stay, then I think he would be wasted at left back. I would play him where he played for the French U20's on the left side of midfield.
Completely agree
Also agree.
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It's a yes from me.
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I agree with the others who agree.
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I agree with the others who agree.
I might agree with others who agree with other agreers, if we sign a left back who doesn't resemble Harold Lloyd.
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A most agreeable list of posts, of which I heartily concur.
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Yay, yay and thrice yay!
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And one more yay for luck
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I'd play him on the right wing, cutting in.
Yours faithfully,
Roy Hodgson.
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I agree with the others who agree.
I might agree with others who agree with other agreers, if we sign a left back who doesn't resemble Harold Lloyd.
Can't get "Hooray for Harold Lloyd" out of my head now. Well done.
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It would be brilliant if he stays.
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He'll stay, I've thought that all along. I'd personally keep him at full back though, I like full backs who can really offer something going forward and he definitely does that. He needs to improve in defence but he won't do that by being played further forward, however 45-50 games at a lower level where he can settle into the style of football played in England without every mistake being so heavily magnified will help him massively.
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He should stay...he owes us at least one season after being out injured and picking up his wages for so long.
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He should stay...he owes us at least one season after being out injured and picking up his wages for so long.
You state "picking up his wages" like he did so without being entitled to it. And I don't get "for so long". Surely by the terms of his contract we paid him out of an obligation, and it was irrelevant that he was injured.
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Of course he's entitled to his wages whilst being out injured, but I don't think its wrong to expect or be entitled to a bit of loyalty from a player in return considering he's been on the treatment table for most of the time since joining the club.
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I'd play him on the right wing, cutting in.
Yours faithfully,
Roy Hodgson.
Playing a wide player to break up narrow teams is excellent suggestion Roy but I would thing you will play Gestede in that position?
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Lucky boy by getting injured when he did he became our best player last season.
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Of course he's entitled to his wages whilst being out injured, but I don't think its wrong to expect or be entitled to a bit of loyalty from a player in return considering he's been on the treatment table for most of the time since joining the club.
So if you were offered another (better) job after being off sick you'd say no because your current employer paid you sick pay?
He owes us nothing.
I do hope he stays though.
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Let's not pretend that footballers don't have different work scenarios to the rest of us...for a start he's on a ridiculously good salary and under contract. If I remember correctly it was a 5 year contract too.
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his focus will be getting into the 2018 french world cup team.
he needs to be playing first team football, hopefully he stays for at least a season.
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Let's also remember he has a career to think about and he came over here to play football in the top flight and at some point get into the French national side. It wasn't his plan to play in the Championship.
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Let's not pretend that footballers don't have different work scenarios to the rest of us...for a start he's on a ridiculously good salary and under contract. If I remember correctly it was a 5 year contract too.
And the only reason that will change is if somebody meets the valuation that either his contract stipulates or that the club decides.
It's not a case of him just upping and leaving.
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Exactly.
Like a few others signed last summer, Amavi is an exciting prospect and has good potential. With the right management and coaching, a season in the Championship may actually benefit a lot of these players progress and development, and we'll be all the better for a return to the Premier League at the first time of asking. *fingers crossed*
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Evra is getting on. There's a real opportunity for Amavi to make himself a fixture for the national team, although he will struggle to do that playing the Championship.
Anyway, I can't see him going anywhere, because any potential suitors will want to see if the injury has had any lasting effect before making a move.
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If we could keep him and ayew, they'd be amongst the best players in the league for me
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He should stay...he owes us at least one season after being out injured and picking up his wages for so long.
You state "picking up his wages" like he did so without being entitled to it. And I don't get "for so long". Surely by the terms of his contract we paid him out of an obligation, and it was irrelevant that he was injured.
yes me lord, innocent until proved an nzogbia
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N'Zogbia - who I walked past earlier today (I believe) at New Street Station. I 'recognised' him, because he was dressed like an absolute monumental bellend.
And when you see a monumental bellend, you immediately think Charles N'Zogbia.
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I'm surprised he is still in Brum to be honest. Has he found a club, or even been linked with anyone?
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Here's where Charles gets his clobber.
http://www.shitewear.com
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Amavi is a raw talent. Made some really poor mistakes last season, but does have promise.
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He had a hand in a few goals as well.
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Too good for Southampton and Remi Garde part deux.
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Back in full training from the pictures on the OS.
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Great to see
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He should stay at Villa Park and hopefully do well enough to win call up for National team and then he can leave after world cup with big offer from European Giants if Tony haven't make us a giant in 2 season ;)
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Back in full training from the pictures on the OS.
It might be me but he appears to be carrying a little excess weight or perhaps its the pictures.
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I thought that too Ron. Maybe he's been eating out with Gabby.
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Doesn't look to be in bad shape at all to be fair to him...may be a little chubby on his face but his beard would conceal any double chin! If anything I'd say he actually needs to add some weight and bulk up a bit.
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Amavi making it clear he wants to stay this morning. Great news, although I'm very wary of players making statements of loyalty after Delph.
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Yes, he speaks very well in the written interview.
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Amavi is a raw talent. Made some really poor mistakes last season, but does have promise.
I totally agree.I've seen flashes of brilliance from him and a couple of howlers. Palace away springs to mind. But he is definitely a talented left back and great for the club if we can keep hold of him. Great teams always need a quality left back.
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Amavi is a raw talent. Made some really poor mistakes last season, but does have promise.
I totally agree.I've seen flashes of brilliance from him and a couple of howlers. Palace away springs to mind. But he is definitely a talented left back and great for the club if we can keep hold of him. Great teams always need a quality left back.
I insisted at the time that goal at Palace was the fault of Guzan, and everything Guzan did subsequently only strengthened that view.
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Amavi is a raw talent. Made some really poor mistakes last season, but does have promise.
I totally agree.I've seen flashes of brilliance from him and a couple of howlers. Palace away springs to mind. But he is definitely a talented left back and great for the club if we can keep hold of him. Great teams always need a quality left back.
I insisted at the time that goal at Palace was the fault of Guzan, and everything Guzan did subsequently only strengthened that view.
Your right. One of Guzans many blunders last season. Last minute of the game an we need him to waste a bit of time and launch it into a corner. But no not Guzan, he takes it quick and rolls it short to Amarvi who was not expecting it.Im not blaming Amarvi but he did miss control the ball and allowed Scott Dann of all people to rob the ball off him and that led to the winner. Calling it a "howler" by Amarvi was a bit unfair of me. To be clear i'd have to call it 95% Guzans fault and 5% Amarvi.
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I disagree. I am a very big fan of Amavi but your apportionment of blame is undoubtedly being clouded by your current views on the respective players. It wasn't the wisest move by Guzan, but Amavi should have been able to deal with it.
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I disagree. I am a very big fan of Amavi but your apportionment of blame is undoubtedly being clouded by your current views on the respective players. It wasn't the wisest move by Guzan, but Amavi should have been able to deal with it.
So how would you apportion the blame for that particular shitfest of a goal?
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I disagree. I am a very big fan of Amavi but your apportionment of blame is undoubtedly being clouded by your current views on the respective players. It wasn't the wisest move by Guzan, but Amavi should have been able to deal with it.
So how would you apportion the blame for that particular shitfest of a goal?
50:50. Being kind to Amavi.
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I disagree. I am a very big fan of Amavi but your apportionment of blame is undoubtedly being clouded by your current views on the respective players. It wasn't the wisest move by Guzan, but Amavi should have been able to deal with it.
So how would you apportion the blame for that particular shitfest of a goal?
50:50. Being kind to Amavi.
knew you'd say that lol.
One thing i think we can agree on is that Guzan is consigned to the Villa history books. Id like to thank him for 2 good seasons before his labotamy. im really hoping that we can keep hold of Jordan Amarvi.
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I disagree. I am a very big fan of Amavi but your apportionment of blame is undoubtedly being clouded by your current views on the respective players. It wasn't the wisest move by Guzan, but Amavi should have been able to deal with it.
So how would you apportion the blame for that particular shitfest of a goal?
50:50. Being kind to Amavi.
knew you'd say that lol.
One thing i think we can agree on is that Guzan is consigned to the Villa history books. Id like to thank him for 2 good seasons before his labotamy. im really hoping that we can keep hold of Jordan Amarvi.
One word. Amavi.
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amavi will be a quality player
as a left sided midfielder, too much of a bottler for a left back and following his injury he will be less inclined to put his foot in
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Amavi is a raw talent. Made some really poor mistakes last season, but does have promise.
I totally agree.I've seen flashes of brilliance from him and a couple of howlers. Palace away springs to mind. But he is definitely a talented left back and great for the club if we can keep hold of him. Great teams always need a quality left back.
I insisted at the time that goal at Palace was the fault of Guzan, and everything Guzan did subsequently only strengthened that view.
I agree. From Guzan's pass Amavi's options were to take the player on or put the ball into touch. Had the dribble been successful we'd have had a break on so I think he made the right decision, just executed it badly. On the flip side, Guzan's pass was both the wrong decision and badly executed, pausing long enough to allow the opposition to read the pass.
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I disagree. I am a very big fan of Amavi but your apportionment of blame is undoubtedly being clouded by your current views on the respective players. It wasn't the wisest move by Guzan, but Amavi should have been able to deal with it.
So how would you apportion the blame for that particular shitfest of a goal?
50:50. Being kind to Amavi.
knew you'd say that lol.
One thing i think we can agree on is that Guzan is consigned to the Villa history books. Id like to thank him for 2 good seasons before his labotamy. im really hoping that we can keep hold of Jordan Amarvi.
One word. Amavi.
Noted.
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They were both to blame. Guzan should have taken more time and if the pass was on when players were set in position then pass the ball. Once Amavi received the ball and realised that he was in trouble he could/should have passed it back to Guzan to launch it. Guzan's led to the Amavi mistake, Amavi's led to the goal.
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I like Amavi.
Should be good this season as long as his pace hasn't been disrupted by the bad injury. He will be a good player in the championship, maybe POTY.
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If Liverpool are indeed going to make an offer as is being widely reported, we should be asking for 16m plus in the current market. I really hope he stays and gets himself back up to speed here, but if he is off we need to maximise what comes in for him and spend it wisely.
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I've read the reports of the Liverpool vultures circling around Amavi, but surely he's a big risk to take on the basis that he can't defend properly and returning from a long term injury...surely there are better options available for Liverpool if they are genuinely looking to do well next season.
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Wages may be a problem unless we ask Liverpool to offset something as part of the deal, but I wonder if we could take Lucas and Flannagan as part of any deal. That said, it's a big risk spending that much in a player who has been out for so long. He will be a great player though one day.
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I only saw flashes from Amavi, nothing much more. I expect full backs to be able to defend and be brave in the tackle, as well as be able to get up and down the wings.
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I only saw flashes from Amavi, nothing much more. I expect full backs to be able to defend and be brave in the tackle, as well as be able to get up and down the wings.
By the time he got injured he had apparently made more tackles than any other player in the league.
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I only saw flashes from Amavi, nothing much more. I expect full backs to be able to defend and be brave in the tackle, as well as be able to get up and down the wings.
By the time he got injured he had apparently made more tackles than any other player in the league.
He had no choice! Especially covering for the legs gone Mr Lescott.
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Are Liverpool sniffing round? I did a double take when I saw they were spending £25m on Wijnaldum - he was more flaky than talented for Newcastle. We shouldn't be bullied into accepting any old fee for Amavi.
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Liverpool were first rumoured to be interested in him a couple of months ago
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I don't get this link. They have Moreno and are being linked to Kurzawa at PSG too.
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Why would they want to buy another Villa player - I'd steer clear if I were them!
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Amavi staying according to Tony Xia. That's good enough for me. Look forward to seeing Amavi at LB this season.
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Amavi staying according to Tony Xia. That's good enough for me. Look forward to seeing Amavi at LB this season.
It sews up that position, with either Aly or Bennett as back up. Ayew as a number ten sounds good too.
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If Liverpool are interested and we start to play hardball expect lots of moaning/comments saying he's not worth the money from the Liverpool ex-players PR machine.
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I just hope we keep him.
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Notes the SUPER LIFELONG VILLA FAN SVC is suggesting that Liverpool should sign him .....always nice when your supporters are trying to move the better players on .....Oh sorry forgot this is Mr Ego himself
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Notes the SUPER LIFELONG VILLA FAN SVC is suggesting that Liverpool should sign him .....always nice when your supporters are trying to move the better players on .....Oh sorry forgot this is Mr Ego himself
How many thread's are you going to whinge about Collymore on?
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Notes the SUPER LIFELONG VILLA FAN SVC is suggesting that Liverpool should sign him .....always nice when your supporters are trying to move the better players on .....Oh sorry forgot this is Mr Ego himself
How many thread's are you going to whinge about Collymore on?
Where ever is relevant ......
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Amavi staying according to Tony Xia. That's good enough for me. Look forward to seeing Amavi at LB this season.
But surely if you do want to move from your job, then the last person to know about it should be the boss, when you hand in your resignation. I am not suggesting that he would or should move. I would prefer him to stay.
Note to the Mods: Would it be possible to change the titles of last years threads removing the Confirmed. Otherwise it will get confusing when people post about the player's status for this season. Thanks.
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Amavi staying according to Tony Xia. That's good enough for me. Look forward to seeing Amavi at LB this season.
But surely if you do want to move from your job, then the last person to know about it should be the boss, when you hand in your resignation.
It doesn't quite work like that in football. A conversation will already have taken place I would have thought.
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Can we play Amavi in some friendlies please?!
Good he seems to be staying but he's nowhere near match fit given he's been out for 9 months and hasn't yet played in pre season so can't see him starting in Sheffield.
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Revived this one
Good today, n'est pas? Hopefully gets a good run now
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His energy and pass selection is of a very high level. With Bruce all of the team will learn to dig in as well. Looked good today.
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I'm a big fan. I think he could be exceptional once he gets a decent run.
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Revived this one
Good today, n'est pas? Hopefully gets a good run now
N'est-ce pas indeed!
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Looked good today, particularly defensively and for the first time getting forward like he used to.
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I'm a big fan. I think he could be exceptional once he gets a decent run.
Me too.
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Starting to come good now.
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He just needs a run of games and will be the best player in the division IMHO
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Really enjoyed his performance today.
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I've always liked him. Top player and, since Sanchez left, the best haircut at the club.
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He just needs a run of games and will be the best player in the division IMHO
Agreed. Not only is he coming back after serious injury, he's going to have the good fortune to be working with a manager who is clearly going to make a difference. The more game time he gets the better he will be.
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He gets my vote as he didn't give away a penalty, everything else is a bonus.
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He gets my vote as he isn't Cissokho, and therefore by definition can actually play football.
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More games, more improvement. An exciting player going forward needs to defend better which I think will come under SB. I maybe wrong but seems to want to be at the club.
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He does seem to want to be at the club. Which I have to say I find surprising
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I've always thought he was the best signing we made last summer, the injury was immensely frustrating and he was always going to need a few months to get back up to speed but he's streets ahead of cissokho and hopefully will nail the position down, build his confidence and be ready to show his stuff in the premier league once we get back.
For info the year when Lambert 'went foreign' I said at least a couple of times that I suspected Baucna would be the best signing of the lot, seeing him get a bit of a run and getting fans back onside is good, I think he could be a very good full back as well (and capable cover in centre mid if needed).
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He does seem to want to be at the club. Which I have to say I find surprising
Professional pride maybe? Doesn't want to leave knowing the deal didn't work and would rather fight and make it work? Which would be fair enough and would get a lot more respect for that sort of attitude.
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He may well have wanted to repay faith in the club. The cynic in me thinks however that he may have had limited interest elsewhere, coming back from a serious long term injury.
Appears to be on the right track.
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Liked his attitude on Saturday - he put in a great shift and I'm sure Bruce can help iron out some of his defensive inadequacies.
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His attitude is fine and he now appears to be working a bit harder. However, for the life of me I do not see an £11 million player in him. Last season before his injury he performed fairly well up till the 75th minute mark after that it was like he'd been switched off. That might appear a bit harsh but I can only go by what I see. We need him to be very good and really prove his worth. He should be the best full back in this league.
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We still haven't reached the one year anniversary of his knee injury, so I think we have to be patient, given the nature of the injury. It's one thing if it had been something other than the ACL, but the point is just about always made that it takes a particularly long time to get back up to speed from such an injury because a player needs time to regain full confidence in the strength of the knee from a mental standpoint.
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I like Amavi but he certainly didn't look 11m quid's worth on Saturday - neat and tidy at times but didn't really put in a killer cross.
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He can cross as he showed from a couple of Gestede's goals in the early part of last season.
What people need to remember is he didn't play much in pre season, think he played a few minutes of the Boro friendly and that was it so will take a while to get properly match fit.
I think he's a class act though and we'll be all the better when he has a run of 5 starts.
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I thought it was reported as being around £9m we paid for him, not £11m. He's only started a dozen league games games in total for us so hardly surprising he's not yet firing on all cylinders yet after so long out and so little football.
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We still haven't reached the one year anniversary of his knee injury, so I think we have to be patient, given the nature of the injury. It's one thing if it had been something other than the ACL, but the point is just about always made that it takes a particularly long time to get back up to speed from such an injury because a player needs time to regain full confidence in the strength of the knee from a mental standpoint.
After any major injury I think it takes 6-10 games to get back into the mental shape needed to play at your best. The example we should always look to is Delph who kept getting little runs of 2-4 games and looking well off the pace and it was only in his last couple of seasons where he got a good summer behind him and got a run of games that he started looking like the player we wanted him to be. Giving players that time is the real challenge but when the alternative is Cissokho it's worth the effort.
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We still haven't reached the one year anniversary of his knee injury, so I think we have to be patient, given the nature of the injury. It's one thing if it had been something other than the ACL, but the point is just about always made that it takes a particularly long time to get back up to speed from such an injury because a player needs time to regain full confidence in the strength of the knee from a mental standpoint.
After any major injury I think it takes 6-10 games to get back into the mental shape needed to play at your best. The example we should always look to is Delph who kept getting little runs of 2-4 games and looking well off the pace and it was only in his last couple of seasons where he got a good summer behind him and got a run of games that he started looking like the player we wanted him to be. Giving players that time is the real challenge but when the alternative is Cissokho it's worth the effort.
I thought that Saturday was very encouraging. Maybe the lack of pressure that we were put under helped but I was very pleased with his performance.
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We still haven't reached the one year anniversary of his knee injury, so I think we have to be patient, given the nature of the injury. It's one thing if it had been something other than the ACL, but the point is just about always made that it takes a particularly long time to get back up to speed from such an injury because a player needs time to regain full confidence in the strength of the knee from a mental standpoint.
After any major injury I think it takes 6-10 games to get back into the mental shape needed to play at your best. The example we should always look to is Delph who kept getting little runs of 2-4 games and looking well off the pace and it was only in his last couple of seasons where he got a good summer behind him and got a run of games that he started looking like the player we wanted him to be. Giving players that time is the real challenge but when the alternative is Cissokho it's worth the effort.
Add Benteke at Liverpool to the list too. Players need a run of games to get up to speed.
Is Delph getting any games at man City?
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only 3 this season it would appear
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His attitude is fine and he now appears to be working a bit harder. However, for the life of me I do not see an £11 million player in him. Last season before his injury he performed fairly well up till the 75th minute mark after that it was like he'd been switched off. That might appear a bit harsh but I can only go by what I see. We need him to be very good and really prove his worth. He should be the best full back in this league.
I think you'll find it was more like £8-9m. You simply can't fully judge the player yet after such a bad injury. He's got a lot of ability, it takes time to get up to full match fitness. Don't forget he's also got to get used to a virtual different set of players bar a few.
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It must be close to a record, he's only started a dozen league games for us but has done so under 4 different managers.
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Based on Saturday's evidence he seems to be getting back to the sort of form he showed before his injury last season. I wish he'd get forward a bit more but I suspect that's more down to Bruce's instructions - it looks like he wants full backs to be defenders rather than the recent preference for them to be auxilliary wingers.
I do wish he'd stop spraying passes across our back four to whoever's playing right back though - you just know that sooner or later that's going to end in tears (and a goal conceded).
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All I ask for is that he defends better.
That's all I want from a defender - to defend
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Based on Saturday's evidence he seems to be getting back to the sort of form he showed before his injury last season. I wish he'd get forward a bit more but I suspect that's more down to Bruce's instructions - it looks like he wants full backs to be defenders rather than the recent preference for them to be auxilliary wingers.
I do wish he'd stop spraying passes across our back four to whoever's playing right back - you just know that sooner or later that's going to end in tears (and a goal conceded).
He certainly got forward for the second goal though. Great work.
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If Liverpool come calling in January he'll be out of B6 in the next Ferrari
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Depends on whether we keep the form up. If we look like good bets for promotion in January Amavi might stay until the end of the season. Then, provided we do go up, Dr X can impress Amavi with his awesome future plans.
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If Liverpool come calling in January he'll be out of B6 in the next Ferrari
Yes obviously Bruce and Dr T would just roll over without a thought of how it might impact on us.
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Lets be honest what would it take for us to sell a player who's just coming into form and cost what Amavi did, in the January window and when we're on full charge for promotion? I reckon the answer is a much higher fee than anyone would be willing to offer so I'd be surprised if he goes anywhere. I'd acutally be surprised if he even pushes for it, he's only just getting back to proper fitness and confidence after a very long injury, if he's got any thoughts of the long term I suspect he'll want to stay until at least the summer to see the recovery completed.
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Quoted today as saying he's very happy and doesn't want to leave, so I'll take him at his word. He's only gong to get better and better, but isn't yet at the level where a manager like Klopp is going to think he's what their title challenge requires. I honestly think he'll be with us for ages, the spirit at B6 seems excellent now.
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Quoted today as saying he's very happy and doesn't want to leave, so I'll take him at his word. He's only gong to get better and better, but isn't yet at the level where a manager like Klopp is going to think he's what their title challenge requires. I honestly think he'll be with us for ages, the spirit at B6 seems excellent now.
Nice to hear him CHIME in, he's BANG in form.
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Quoted today as saying he's very happy and doesn't want to leave, so I'll take him at his word. He's only gong to get better and better, but isn't yet at the level where a manager like Klopp is going to think he's what their title challenge requires. I honestly think he'll be with us for ages, the spirit at B6 seems excellent now.
I hadn't seen those specific quotes but that does line up with the stuff I read from him a couple of weeks ago which was all about making up for lost time and paying the club back for giving him a chance in the biggest league in the world and being so good with him when he got injured away with France. He's always come across as a really good, down to earth lad that's why I just can't see him agitating for a move. If we don't go up then maybe in the summer but not before.
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I think quotes of him joining Liverpool are a tad optimistic at this moment in time.
Only a few posts back, "in exile" stated that he wants him to defend better. If he's not defending as well as we'd hope in this division, he won't get anywhere near the starting 11 of a side that is second in the Prem.
For me, he is beginning to put in some great performances, which is really encouraging, given his horrific injury and early season form. I was not convinced with his defending last season but I appreciate that it was early days when the injury robbed him of the remainder of the season. His ability to get forward is unquestionable. I'm beginning to see a determination and resolution to his defending. I'm really pleased for both him and for us as a club, as we are reaping the benefits.
When reading his comments, he seems very happy and content here. if someone like Liverpool came in for him, it would be hard to begrudge him the opportunity. personally, I still think he has a bit to do to reach that level and this definitely works in our favour.
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We don't have to sell nowadays. He won't be going anywhere.
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He's doing better every game
He's still a way off being good enough to go into the Liverpool team though
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We don't have to sell nowadays. He won't be going anywhere.
Yes, hopefully the Tom Fox paltry release clause deals are at an end.
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Great to see him hit some form after a terrible injury. I think he has real talent.
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Poultry release clause -what the clucking hell is that?
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I am impressed with his upper body strength, several times he has withstood loads of pressure to have himself between ball and attacker to let it go out of play and not been muscled off as yet
Also very surprised how decent he is with headers
I would be very interested to see what a proper Manager and coaching team could do with the likes of Veretout and even Gil
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I am impressed with his upper body strength, several times he has withstood loads of pressure to have himself between ball and attacker to let it go out of play and not been muscled off as yet
Also very surprised how decent he is with headers
I would be very interested to see what a proper Manager and coaching team could do with the likes of Veretout and even Gil
I'm not sure about Gil but I think Veretout could be excellent witha decent manager. I think Sanchez could come back and do a job as well.
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I am impressed with his upper body strength, several times he has withstood loads of pressure to have himself between ball and attacker to let it go out of play and not been muscled off as yet
Also very surprised how decent he is with headers
I would be very interested to see what a proper Manager and coaching team could do with the likes of Veretout and even Gil
I'm not sure about Gil but I think Veretout could be excellent witha decent manager. I think Sanchez could come back and do a job as well.
The French site Buzz Sport have reported that Saint-Etienne are unlikely to meet Veretout's wage requirements or our selling price.
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I am impressed with his upper body strength, several times he has withstood loads of pressure to have himself between ball and attacker to let it go out of play and not been muscled off as yet
Also very surprised how decent he is with headers
I would be very interested to see what a proper Manager and coaching team could do with the likes of Veretout and even Gil
I'm not sure about Gil but I think Veretout could be excellent witha decent manager. I think Sanchez could come back and do a job as well.
Yep and me. Steve Bruce could raise their games a level or two. Carlos seemed happy enough and a lot of us could see why we paid so much for Veretout.
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I am impressed with his upper body strength, several times he has withstood loads of pressure to have himself between ball and attacker to let it go out of play and not been muscled off as yet
Also very surprised how decent he is with headers
I would be very interested to see what a proper Manager and coaching team could do with the likes of Veretout and even Gil
I'm not sure about Gil but I think Veretout could be excellent witha decent manager. I think Sanchez could come back and do a job as well.
Yep and me. Steve Bruce could raise their games a level or two. Carlos seemed happy enough and a lot of us could see why we paid so much for Veretout.
I can't remember but are both out on loan?
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I am impressed with his upper body strength, several times he has withstood loads of pressure to have himself between ball and attacker to let it go out of play and not been muscled off as yet
Also very surprised how decent he is with headers
I would be very interested to see what a proper Manager and coaching team could do with the likes of Veretout and even Gil
I'm not sure about Gil but I think Veretout could be excellent witha decent manager. I think Sanchez could come back and do a job as well.
Yep and me. Steve Bruce could raise their games a level or two. Carlos seemed happy enough and a lot of us could see why we paid so much for Veretout.
I can't remember but are both out on loan?
All three players mentioned are on season long loans,pretty sure.
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Sanchez is at Fiorentina, Gil at Deportivo La Coruna and Veretout at St. Etienne all on loan.
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I guess Bruce will be keeping an eye on all three then and it will be interesting what his verdict is.
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I just don't want any of them back. All 3 just remind of the last season or two and all links to that time have to be cut.
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I just don't want any of them back. All 3 just remind of the last season or two and all links to that time have to be cut.
So sell Gardner, Grealish, Gestede, Amavi and Ayew as well?
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Dare I say if we get up this year it would be like a couple of new players.
Although not heard any great reports of any of them whilst on loan. Although Gil scored a couple of crackers I think Veretout was the more accomplished player Bd the best chance of success in the prem
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I just don't want any of them back. All 3 just remind of the last season or two and all links to that time have to be cut.
So sell Gardner, Grealish, Gestede, Amavi and Ayew as well?
Yes, no, Yes, No, and yes.
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I just don't want any of them back. All 3 just remind of the last season or two and all links to that time have to be cut.
So sell Gardner, Grealish, Gestede, Amavi and Ayew as well?
Yes, no, Yes, No, and yes.
A good effort but you got the last one wrong.
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I just don't want any of them back. All 3 just remind of the last season or two and all links to that time have to be cut.
So sell Gardner, Grealish, Gestede, Amavi and Ayew as well?
Yes, no, Yes, No, and yes.
A good effort but you got the last one wrong.
And whichever way you cut it, it's not really "cutting all links to the last season or two".
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Rome wasn't built in a day.
The ones that have gone should stay gone. the ones that we have should look to move on. Home grown players aside as they were already here. Amavi looks good and was injured last season so wasn't tainted by association.
As for Ayew? Meh.
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8 of the 14 that played Saturday were here last season.
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Ideally we would get one of Vertout or Sanchez back in the winter - if the loan clubs are not going to meet the terms - because I think either would improve us considerably.
Also having them in the team whilst (generally) winning might change their perception of the club a bit.
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I don't think any of them would recognise the place if they came back.
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8 of the 14 that played Saturday were here last season.
And as I said Rome wasn't built in a day.
most of last season's team, especially those bought last season and that played a big part in the season, need to be moved on.
of that 8 how many do you still want at the club next season?
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8 of the 14 that played Saturday were here last season.
And as I said Rome wasn't built in a day.
most of last season's team, especially those bought last season and that played a big part in the season, need to be moved on.
of that 8 how many do you still want at the club next season?
I'm pretty open minded about it now we appear to be getting our all round shit together.
It's really difficult to judge how good/bad certain players are when the club was an absolute shambles from top to bottom.
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8 of the 14 that played Saturday were here last season.
And as I said Rome wasn't built in a day.
most of last season's team, especially those bought last season and that played a big part in the season, need to be moved on.
of that 8 how many do you still want at the club next season?
I'm pretty open minded about it now we appear to be getting our all round shit together.
It's really difficult to judge how good/bad certain players are when the club was an absolute shambles from top to bottom.
This is exactly where I am right now. During the summer, I was the biggest advocate of "if he was here last season, get rid" (that is my polite, internet friendly translation of how I felt). It seems quite a way back now and I think the Bruce appointment has been a turning point in more ways than one. I'm happy to go with and also support anyone who Bruce picks, be it a Bruce player an RDM player or a player from last season.
I personally wouldn't be picking Gabby, for footballing reasons alone, not because of any links to last season. Maybe that is why Bruce is a highly well paid, top manager and I am not?
Attitudes were my biggest gripe last season and some of the players did not cover themselves in glory. I'm happy to draw a line under it all now and work towards our common goal of getting back to our rightful place. If a player on our books will help and support this cause then he should play.
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Hi guys, I don't know if you heard but Amavi's done a good interview for a french football magazine called "So Foot",
Here's the link : http://www.sofoot.com/jordan-amavi-il-y-a-plus-grave-qu-une-rupture-des-croises-435525.html
I translated the article in english for villa fans on facebook and thought you'd be interested as well, there might be typos or small mistakes :
" Jordan Amavi "There are worse things than a ruptured cruciate ligament "
He had finished 2015 with a broken knee which stopped his momentum in the Premier League. Now coming back, Jordan Amavi wishes to bring back Aston Villa inside the elite of British football and thinks with hindsight about the first serious injury of his career, because he understood there are worse things in life.
Question : You came back to competition with Aston Villa after being out for 9 months, how is your knee ?
Answer : It’s doing fine, great actually, it holds on. I am at 100 % of my physical capacities, no problem with that. I had fears and concerns before coming back to play, I was wondering if it would hold on or not. But as soon as I had set foot on the playing field, I went in the thick of it, I played as I usually do.
Q : For you first game after coming back from injury, how did the fans welcome you back ?
A : It was the last pre-season game, the gaffer ( Di matteo at the time ) brought me on as a sub for a few minutes at the end of the game and the fans applauded me. The football culture of the english fans is different, in the stadium they are 100 % behind their team, always behind the players. Real fans, even in Championship, so many of them travel away, in every stadia they fill the stands, it’s magnificent. They sing, they cheer us up. They have plenty of songs depending on the situation or the player.
Q : Is there a Jordan Amavi song ?
A : (laughing) Yeah, they did one, a bit on the principle of the « Will Grigg’s on fire » song, they placed my name in an other well know song.
Q : Coming back to your knee injury ( ruptured cruciate ligament in november 2015 during a game with the french under 21s ) we had the impression that you put your injury into perspective really quickly, even though you’re only 22 years old…
A : That’s true, when I learnt that my season was over, that it was the cruciate ligaments, it was tough to take at that moment. You say to yourself ‘‘why me ? Why now ?’’ But looking back on it, it brought me closer to my family, my friends, I came back to France. I thought it was better if it happened now rather than later in my career. I am young, the injury is behind me, I’m coming back to my best level. All of this is behind me. And when I went to the St Raphael reeducation center I met people whose injuries were much worse than mine. I saw a guy, roughly my age, coming in with trousers, later when I saw him in shorts he was missing a leg. He explained to me that he had a problem since he was very young and that he asked to have his leg amputated himself. He was smiling everyday, we joked together everyday even though his leg was missing. Other people had problems way beyond mine. It made me think ‘‘oh yeah, you just ruptured your crucial ligament, people your age have it harder than you...’’. This made me think and go forward.
Q : Paradoxically, this will help you both in your career and personal life.
A : Exactly. But I won’t lie though, I was affraid of picking up an injury and putting my career in jeopardy because of that. I had changed clubs, I was only a few months in my spell at Aston Villa and I broke my leg. This is not any injury. But by bonding with certain people it helped me to go forward and to be stronger. Now I know there are worse things in life than breaking your leg.
Q : What was the worse, physically hurting yourself to come back quickly in the squad, or to watch Aston Villa sink without being able to help ?
A : A bit of both, When I had my surgery I thought ‘‘Alright, it’s done’’. But at first you can’t move at all, you can only watch games and see that your team is having trouble. But I didn’t go crazy because of that, my dad raised me to be strong mentally, and at the Nice youth academy they also prepared me to be strong. But it’s true that it hurts to live through a situation like that, but I had my family around me and I met some people who enabled me to put things into perspective. This year we’re in the championship, well, we will fight together to come back up.
Q : The days must be very long when you have such an injury ?
A : When I started physiotherapy and reeducation, I didn’t have any time to get bored. A cab took me every morning in Nice, I had a 9am appointment to do some treatments, in the afternoon I did some physical preparation to keep my upper body fit, everyday I left home at 8am and came back at 6 or 7pm, and I had the week ends to get some rest. In pre-season, you work to prepare for the season and after that you maintain what you worked for. In my situation, I worked on my upper body, because I couldn’t do anything with my legs. But afterwards I almost worked twice as hard to get back to the level I was before I got injured, if not a better level. There was a lot of work to do, but in the end it was for the better.
Q : Aston Villa must have followed very closely your progress during your recovery…
A : When I heard about my injury, they asked what I wanted to do, and I explained that wanted to go back to France, to be with my friends and family. They told me ‘‘No problem, that’s normal’’. So I came back to France and did what I had to do. On the day of my surgery, someone from the villa medical staff came to attend to it. I had my doctor who personnaly came when I had to go to see the surgeon in Lyon. Sometimes, he got off the plane, attended to the discussion with the surgen with me for an hour, and he took the plane back immediatly.
Q : Before you picked up this injury, you were the most promising signing of Aston Villa, the British press even saw in you one of the best signings of the summer in the Premier League. Have you got any regrets about what this injury might have ruined for you, like a first call up with the French national team or a transfer to a big English club ?
A : To be honest no. I came to Aston Villa because they were in the Premier League, because they are a big club, with history. This is serious business. I arrived with a dominating mindset in a new club, a new league. I did not think ‘‘I’m going to play a great season and then I’ll leave’’. Even if I did not get injured, I would’ve probably stayed despite relegation. We’ll never know what might have happened.
Q : But with your agent ( Christophe Mongai ), did you talk about an eventual decision about yourself for the 2016 transfer market ?
A : I personnaly feel good at Aston Villa, the atmosphere and mood is great within the group, the infrastructures are amazing, the city is beautiful too. Even though we’re in the Championship I feel good at Villa. During the transfer period I told my agent I wanted to stay, the directors asked me what I wanted as well. If other clubs had placed a bid for me, I don’t know if villa would’ve let me go. But I already had decided to stay. Today, I am playing, and I’m trying to go back to my best level.
Q : What do you recall of these three months you spent in the Premier League ?
A : The atmosphere around games. The intensity of games. It’s different from France, in England you can conceid a goal at the 90th or 92nd minute, a game is never over. There are four or five games we stupidly lost by conceiding a goal in the final minutes of the game in the Championship. It is when we played Leicester last year that I understood what the Premier League was about, we were 2-0 ahead with only 20 minutes to go, and we conceided a goal around the 75th minute, another one at the 80th and a last one at the 90th and we lost 3-2.
Q : Are there any player you were impressed by ?
A : I had the chance to play against Ryad Mahrez, Jesus Navas as well whom I had to mark. Their game is very fast. I had the opportunity to play against great teams, everybody plays to win and to score, and as long as the ref doesn’t blow the whistle, you play 100 %.
Q : So far this year, Aston villa is 16th ( not anymore ), Roberto Di Matteo has been replaced by Steve Bruce in october, and the team is doing better since ( villa is unbeaten since the start of october ). How do you explain this new beggining ?
A : I don’t know. Roberto Di Matteo was a good gaffer as well. We’ve had a good reaction since Steve Bruce has been in charge. Is it a sort of psychological change or chock ? Well I already had 4 different managers in a year… I hope we’ll carry on with the momentum we have. Steve Bruce is very authoritarian, he tightens the screws of the team… With him you have to walk the line, but he’s also a guy who loves a good laugh during training, but not on match day, if things are not right, he’ll shout.
Q : Have you got any very good mates in the dressing room ?
A : Outside of the dressing room, not really, they’re all older than me, they’ve got a wife and kids, but we sometimes hang out together, for example Jordan Ayew sometimes comes round to my house to play some Playstation, We’ve got a good connection with the french speaking guys, but in the dressing room we’re all together joking and laughing, with the english guys as well.
Q : You’ve been called back in the u21s French side for their last game, you must have felt really good about it…
A : At first, I wasn’t supposed to be called, but Benjamin Mendy ( Monaco ) injured himself and the manager, Mankowski, called me up and made me play, It feels good because it means he was thinking about me, he trusted me. This was surely a good indication concerning the work I had done to come back to my best level. He rewarded this work by picking me in the team.
Q : The French first team, do you think about it or is it still too far ?
A : My first concern is to get Aston Villa back in the Premier League. I ain’t the French manager, I am now old enough not to play with the under 21s, so my focus is on my club. The french national team may come eventually, right now we have to go back up.
Q : Your name has been mentionned concerning a possible move to l’OM ( Marseille ) in january, would you consider it ?
A : I am currently at Aston Villa, they count on me. I’ll do anything that’s possible to go back up with them. The future, we’ll think about it later. I don’t think I’ll go to Marseille, I am at Aston Villa and I don’t think I’ll be on the move soon. "
UTV from France !
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Apart from Gabby, i'm not fussed who stays if they are playing well now.
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Something I'll never get is grown men going round to friends houses to play computer games.
Still, Amavi is starting to look a good player again. It's amazing what happens when you give a full-back some help with a player playing in front of them. Even Hutton looks a decent player!
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Hi guys, I don't know if you heard but Amavi's done a good interview for a french football magazine called "So Foot",
Here's the link : http://www.sofoot.com/jordan-amavi-il-y-a-plus-grave-qu-une-rupture-des-croises-435525.html
I translated the article in english for villa fans on facebook and thought you'd be interested as well, there might be typos or small mistakes :
" Jordan Amavi "There are worse things than a ruptured cruciate ligament "
He had finished 2015 with a broken knee which stopped his momentum in the Premier League. Now coming back, Jordan Amavi wishes to bring back Aston Villa inside the elite of British football and thinks with hindsight about the first serious injury of his career, because he understood there are worse things in life.
Question : You came back to competition with Aston Villa after being out for 9 months, how is your knee ?
Answer : It’s doing fine, great actually, it holds on. I am at 100 % of my physical capacities, no problem with that. I had fears and concerns before coming back to play, I was wondering if it would hold on or not. But as soon as I had set foot on the playing field, I went in the thick of it, I played as I usually do.
Q : For you first game after coming back from injury, how did the fans welcome you back ?
A : It was the last pre-season game, the gaffer ( Di matteo at the time ) brought me on as a sub for a few minutes at the end of the game and the fans applauded me. The football culture of the english fans is different, in the stadium they are 100 % behind their team, always behind the players. Real fans, even in Championship, so many of them travel away, in every stadia they fill the stands, it’s magnificent. They sing, they cheer us up. They have plenty of songs depending on the situation or the player.
Q : Is there a Jordan Amavi song ?
A : (laughing) Yeah, they did one, a bit on the principle of the « Will Grigg’s on fire » song, they placed my name in an other well know song.
Q : Coming back to your knee injury ( ruptured cruciate ligament in november 2015 during a game with the french under 21s ) we had the impression that you put your injury into perspective really quickly, even though you’re only 22 years old…
A : That’s true, when I learnt that my season was over, that it was the cruciate ligaments, it was tough to take at that moment. You say to yourself ‘‘why me ? Why now ?’’ But looking back on it, it brought me closer to my family, my friends, I came back to France. I thought it was better if it happened now rather than later in my career. I am young, the injury is behind me, I’m coming back to my best level. All of this is behind me. And when I went to the St Raphael reeducation center I met people whose injuries were much worse than mine. I saw a guy, roughly my age, coming in with trousers, later when I saw him in shorts he was missing a leg. He explained to me that he had a problem since he was very young and that he asked to have his leg amputated himself. He was smiling everyday, we joked together everyday even though his leg was missing. Other people had problems way beyond mine. It made me think ‘‘oh yeah, you just ruptured your crucial ligament, people your age have it harder than you...’’. This made me think and go forward.
Q : Paradoxically, this will help you both in your career and personal life.
A : Exactly. But I won’t lie though, I was affraid of picking up an injury and putting my career in jeopardy because of that. I had changed clubs, I was only a few months in my spell at Aston Villa and I broke my leg. This is not any injury. But by bonding with certain people it helped me to go forward and to be stronger. Now I know there are worse things in life than breaking your leg.
Q : What was the worse, physically hurting yourself to come back quickly in the squad, or to watch Aston Villa sink without being able to help ?
A : A bit of both, When I had my surgery I thought ‘‘Alright, it’s done’’. But at first you can’t move at all, you can only watch games and see that your team is having trouble. But I didn’t go crazy because of that, my dad raised me to be strong mentally, and at the Nice youth academy they also prepared me to be strong. But it’s true that it hurts to live through a situation like that, but I had my family around me and I met some people who enabled me to put things into perspective. This year we’re in the championship, well, we will fight together to come back up.
Q : The days must be very long when you have such an injury ?
A : When I started physiotherapy and reeducation, I didn’t have any time to get bored. A cab took me every morning in Nice, I had a 9am appointment to do some treatments, in the afternoon I did some physical preparation to keep my upper body fit, everyday I left home at 8am and came back at 6 or 7pm, and I had the week ends to get some rest. In pre-season, you work to prepare for the season and after that you maintain what you worked for. In my situation, I worked on my upper body, because I couldn’t do anything with my legs. But afterwards I almost worked twice as hard to get back to the level I was before I got injured, if not a better level. There was a lot of work to do, but in the end it was for the better.
Q : Aston Villa must have followed very closely your progress during your recovery…
A : When I heard about my injury, they asked what I wanted to do, and I explained that wanted to go back to France, to be with my friends and family. They told me ‘‘No problem, that’s normal’’. So I came back to France and did what I had to do. On the day of my surgery, someone from the villa medical staff came to attend to it. I had my doctor who personnaly came when I had to go to see the surgeon in Lyon. Sometimes, he got off the plane, attended to the discussion with the surgen with me for an hour, and he took the plane back immediatly.
Q : Before you picked up this injury, you were the most promising signing of Aston Villa, the British press even saw in you one of the best signings of the summer in the Premier League. Have you got any regrets about what this injury might have ruined for you, like a first call up with the French national team or a transfer to a big English club ?
A : To be honest no. I came to Aston Villa because they were in the Premier League, because they are a big club, with history. This is serious business. I arrived with a dominating mindset in a new club, a new league. I did not think ‘‘I’m going to play a great season and then I’ll leave’’. Even if I did not get injured, I would’ve probably stayed despite relegation. We’ll never know what might have happened.
Q : But with your agent ( Christophe Mongai ), did you talk about an eventual decision about yourself for the 2016 transfer market ?
A : I personnaly feel good at Aston Villa, the atmosphere and mood is great within the group, the infrastructures are amazing, the city is beautiful too. Even though we’re in the Championship I feel good at Villa. During the transfer period I told my agent I wanted to stay, the directors asked me what I wanted as well. If other clubs had placed a bid for me, I don’t know if villa would’ve let me go. But I already had decided to stay. Today, I am playing, and I’m trying to go back to my best level.
Q : What do you recall of these three months you spent in the Premier League ?
A : The atmosphere around games. The intensity of games. It’s different from France, in England you can conceid a goal at the 90th or 92nd minute, a game is never over. There are four or five games we stupidly lost by conceiding a goal in the final minutes of the game in the Championship. It is when we played Leicester last year that I understood what the Premier League was about, we were 2-0 ahead with only 20 minutes to go, and we conceided a goal around the 75th minute, another one at the 80th and a last one at the 90th and we lost 3-2.
Q : Are there any player you were impressed by ?
A : I had the chance to play against Ryad Mahrez, Jesus Navas as well whom I had to mark. Their game is very fast. I had the opportunity to play against great teams, everybody plays to win and to score, and as long as the ref doesn’t blow the whistle, you play 100 %.
Q : So far this year, Aston villa is 16th ( not anymore ), Roberto Di Matteo has been replaced by Steve Bruce in october, and the team is doing better since ( villa is unbeaten since the start of october ). How do you explain this new beggining ?
A : I don’t know. Roberto Di Matteo was a good gaffer as well. We’ve had a good reaction since Steve Bruce has been in charge. Is it a sort of psychological change or chock ? Well I already had 4 different managers in a year… I hope we’ll carry on with the momentum we have. Steve Bruce is very authoritarian, he tightens the screws of the team… With him you have to walk the line, but he’s also a guy who loves a good laugh during training, but not on match day, if things are not right, he’ll shout.
Q : Have you got any very good mates in the dressing room ?
A : Outside of the dressing room, not really, they’re all older than me, they’ve got a wife and kids, but we sometimes hang out together, for example Jordan Ayew sometimes comes round to my house to play some Playstation, We’ve got a good connection with the french speaking guys, but in the dressing room we’re all together joking and laughing, with the english guys as well.
Q : You’ve been called back in the u21s French side for their last game, you must have felt really good about it…
A : At first, I wasn’t supposed to be called, but Benjamin Mendy ( Monaco ) injured himself and the manager, Mankowski, called me up and made me play, It feels good because it means he was thinking about me, he trusted me. This was surely a good indication concerning the work I had done to come back to my best level. He rewarded this work by picking me in the team.
Q : The French first team, do you think about it or is it still too far ?
A : My first concern is to get Aston Villa back in the Premier League. I ain’t the French manager, I am now old enough not to play with the under 21s, so my focus is on my club. The french national team may come eventually, right now we have to go back up.
Q : Your name has been mentionned concerning a possible move to l’OM ( Marseille ) in january, would you consider it ?
A : I am currently at Aston Villa, they count on me. I’ll do anything that’s possible to go back up with them. The future, we’ll think about it later. I don’t think I’ll go to Marseille, I am at Aston Villa and I don’t think I’ll be on the move soon. "
UTV from France !
Lovely stuff, thanks for sharing.
He's a good one is Avami.
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Something I'll never get is grown men going round to friends houses to play computer games.
Good luck to them. Twenty or thirty years ago they'd have been going to the pub.
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Something I'll never get is grown men going round to friends houses to play computer games.
Is it any different to grown men going round to friends' houses to play say, a poker tournament or do anything else social?
Cracking interview from Amavi. He's still going to be great, and hopefully it will be with us.
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Something I'll never get is grown men going round to friends houses to play computer games.
Is it any different to grown men going round to friends' houses to play say, a poker tournament or do anything else social?
Cracking interview from Amavi. He's still going to be great, and hopefully it will be with us.
Possibly the worst night of my life was spent at a friends house taking part in a poker tournament.
However, if it was chess...
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Thanks Theo, really good read and generated a feel god factor deep inside.
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Cheers Theo.
I thought it was great when he joined us, when he played the first few games for us and pi**ed off when he got injured.
A solid footballer with the potential to be brilliant in a good side, which he's showing us right now! In fact he seems to be a bit tougher...great for someone coming back from injury!
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News doing the rounds that the doc has rejected a £25m bid. Direct tweet from the man himself.
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Dr. Tony Xia
@Dr_TonyXia
40m
Don't bother reading this. I can tell we have rejected an offer of £25M for @@JordanAmavi He will grow bigger at @AVFCOfficial !
And about a story that Veretout will be sold:
Dr. Tony Xia
@Dr_TonyXia
Not crazy. We will accept this Jordan leaving as he didn't feel happy at Villa.
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If there has been a 25 million bid we should accept that and re invest in the team ...... I am sure there would be full backs available at a decent fee and then use the rest in midfield
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If we're wealthy enough to turn down a £25 million off for a full back who has played less than 10 games in the top flight, then we're wealthy enough to buy or loan a new right back and some midfielders, so I wouldn't worry.
Loads a fackin' maney!
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Hope they all watched him yesterday. They might not be quite so keen.
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He was awful yesterday, I questioned if he was drunk, I like him overall though.
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I wouldn't want to lose him but £25 million would tempt me.
I can't see anyone offering anywhere near that figure though.
I like Amavi and get the impression that he is genuinely happy here. I think that were we to fail in our attempt to gain promotion this season, he would most likely leave in the summer in any case.
My heart is saying "I hope we can keep hold of him", my brain is saying "I hope the £25mil offer is true"
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i had dream that we sold him to Liverpool in a deal that had James Milner coming to us..
hey ho too much christmas spirit
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I never thought we would be in a position to turn down that amount of money for a player. It kind of feels good. The previous regime would've had it signed, sealed and ready for the 1st of January.
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It's possible the bid was "up to £25 million" including various unlikely clauses.
I'm glad we've turned it down, regardless. We wouldn't have done so under our previous owner.
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i like him too but yesterday he looked well short of being PL quality and nowhere near Liverpool quality, who are reportedly interested in him.
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I wouldn't want to lose him but £25 million would tempt me.
I can't see anyone offering anywhere near that figure though.
I like Amavi and get the impression that he is genuinely happy here. I think that were we to fail in our attempt to gain promotion this season, he would most likely leave in the summer in any case.
My heart is saying "I hope we can keep hold of him", my brain is saying "I hope the £25mil offer is true"
£25M is peanuts - Dr Xia is clearly thinking of the long term when we're back in the top flight. Money isn't an issue. I predict Benteke returning as soon as we're promoted.
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I like Amavi, but if anyone offers us 25m, we should be biting their arm off, and then starting to hack away at the rest of their body too
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Something I'll never get is grown men going round to friends houses to play computer games.
Still, Amavi is starting to look a good player again. It's amazing what happens when you give a full-back some help with a player playing in front of them. Even Hutton looks a decent player!
Hutton is dog awful as a footballer
Amavi should be burning up this division really to be considered anywhere near Liverpool's level
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All depends on how deep the Doc's pockets are.
On the one hand, £25 million sounds frightful. But then you see the likes of Bolasie move to a mid table club for £30 million. The rule of law has broken down when it comes to top flight clubs in England.
If £25 million is small darts to Xia in the grand scheme of things, then no point jettisoning one of the few players we wouldn't need to upgrade as soon as we get back.
I'm, not sure how happy Amavi himself is with the decision, mind. He's prob too young for China, so if it is a big offer that has come from a team there, he'll get over it. If he's had a potential move blocked to a side like Liverpool or Man Citeh, that's a different story.
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Good to see he's got over his injury -he took a few cracks yesterday, just sprang back up and got on with it.
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It's difficult but you simply have to keep your best players at all costs.
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SSN reported that the £25m bid may have come from 'The Mighty Reds YNWA'.
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I like Amavi, but if anyone offers us 25m, we should be biting their arm off, and then starting to hack away at the rest of their body too
The only thing to consider is it will be hard to spend that 25m on players willing to join a Championship club, and be able to contribute after we are (hopefully) promoted in a year or two. In two years, given the inflation of player value, 25m might come off worse than Delph's 8m.
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Dr Tony should put a £50M price on Amavi's head! Villa don't need to sell to buy. We're out of the Lerner mad era!
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I like Amavi, but if anyone offers us 25m, we should be biting their arm off, and then starting to hack away at the rest of their body too
I disagree, it sends a message that we are not going to sell players unless it suits us and is consistent with what he said after clubs triggered release clauses in the summer.
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SSN reported that the £25m bid may have come from 'The Mighty Reds YNWA'.
you would think they would learn buying off us after Downing and Benteke
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25 mill is a great price for him. That said, he can get even better and I'd like to see him play for Villa, in the Premiership, and France.
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I like Amavi, but if anyone offers us 25m, we should be biting their arm off, and then starting to hack away at the rest of their body too
I disagree, it sends a message that we are not going to sell players unless it suits us and is consistent with what he said after clubs triggered release clauses in the summer.
Agreed. It's about time we broke the chain and sent out a strong message to other clubs and our contracted footballers.
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I like Amavi, but if anyone offers us 25m, we should be biting their arm off, and then starting to hack away at the rest of their body too
I disagree, it sends a message that we are not going to sell players unless it suits us and is consistent with what he said after clubs triggered release clauses in the summer.
That's my argument, though - it should suit us if that really is the amount under discussion.
Like I said, I like Amavi, but 25m would be utterly insane.
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Keep until end of season regardless.
We have much more chance of being promoted with Amavi playing than flipping Cissokho and given our record of LBs since Bouma I don't trust we'd go out and get a decent one or if we did they'd probably suffer a season ending injury ten minutes into their debut.
Keep and see where the land lies in the summer.
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I wouldn't sell if we don't need to.
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I dunno. £25m has to be seen in the context of what we're going to have to pay for new acquisitions. That's basically 2 decent championship players, given the going rate we encountered in the summer. If we buy 2 McCormacks and end up with 2 dodgy fullbacks we haven't achieved much.
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I like Amavi, but if anyone offers us 25m, we should be biting their arm off, and then starting to hack away at the rest of their body too
I disagree, it sends a message that we are not going to sell players unless it suits us and is consistent with what he said after clubs triggered release clauses in the summer.
That's my argument, though - it should suit us if that really is the amount under discussion.
Like I said, I like Amavi, but 25m would be utterly insane.
It seems like that, but I bet if we were trying to buy him from France again now and we were a top flight side we'd be quoted something similar.
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Yeah but like I said it all depends what sort of funds we have available. I think he's only going to get better.
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I like Amavi, but if anyone offers us 25m, we should be biting their arm off, and then starting to hack away at the rest of their body too
I disagree, it sends a message that we are not going to sell players unless it suits us and is consistent with what he said after clubs triggered release clauses in the summer.
That's my argument, though - it should suit us if that really is the amount under discussion.
Like I said, I like Amavi, but 25m would be utterly insane.
It seems like that, but I bet if we were trying to buy him from France again now and we were a top flight side we'd be quoted something similar.
Does buying all those players from France before our currency got junked via Brexit count as Randy's one moment of financial astuteness?
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I like Amavi, but if anyone offers us 25m, we should be biting their arm off, and then starting to hack away at the rest of their body too
I disagree, it sends a message that we are not going to sell players unless it suits us and is consistent with what he said after clubs triggered release clauses in the summer.
That's my argument, though - it should suit us if that really is the amount under discussion.
Like I said, I like Amavi, but 25m would be utterly insane.
It seems like that, but I bet if we were trying to buy him from France again now and we were a top flight side we'd be quoted something similar.
Does buying all those players from France before our currency got junked via Brexit count as Randy's one moment of financial astuteness?
Yes really, they clearly aren't bad players, and in the right hands they'd have made a sound bit of recruitment.
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I like Amavi, but if anyone offers us 25m, we should be biting their arm off, and then starting to hack away at the rest of their body too
I disagree, it sends a message that we are not going to sell players unless it suits us and is consistent with what he said after clubs triggered release clauses in the summer.
That's my argument, though - it should suit us if that really is the amount under discussion.
Like I said, I like Amavi, but 25m would be utterly insane.
It seems like that, but I bet if we were trying to buy him from France again now and we were a top flight side we'd be quoted something similar.
All this talk highlights for me the truly staggering price that it's going to cost to rebuild once we're back up.
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I like Amavi, but if anyone offers us 25m, we should be biting their arm off, and then starting to hack away at the rest of their body too
I disagree, it sends a message that we are not going to sell players unless it suits us and is consistent with what he said after clubs triggered release clauses in the summer.
That's my argument, though - it should suit us if that really is the amount under discussion.
Like I said, I like Amavi, but 25m would be utterly insane.
It seems like that, but I bet if we were trying to buy him from France again now and we were a top flight side we'd be quoted something similar.
All this talk highlights for me the truly staggering price that it's going to cost to rebuild once we're back up.
Yes, but Dr Xia is a mega rich owner.
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I like Amavi, but if anyone offers us 25m, we should be biting their arm off, and then starting to hack away at the rest of their body too
This totally
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25m sounds ace. Actually it is. But I think 25m in January is different to getting it in the summer where we won't be raped into getting his replacement. And if we don't find a replacement it's "hello Ally". Fucking hell what a nightmare that would be.
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Liverpool and Juve wanting our Jordans! Wonderful!
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I think he's a superb player and will only get better.
Reminds me of a young Ashley Cole at the Arse.
We should keep for as long as possible!
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It's difficult but you simply have to keep your best players at all costs.
Unless you're Sevilla or Southampton of course
Most clubs can't keep their best players. You need a strategy to replace them and that's where Steve Round comes in presumably - continuity of approach
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I like Amavi, but if anyone offers us 25m, we should be biting their arm off, and then starting to hack away at the rest of their body too
This, Paulie. Good player, but 25m could be far better utilised I reckon.
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What this alleged offer highlights is the mega high stakes lottery the transfer market has become, especially in January. Buy in a clutch of new players and if there is one Benteke or Amavi amongst them the waste of money on the Elphicks, McCormacks and Jedinaks becomes absorbed in the balance sheet.
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I like Amavi, but if anyone offers us 25m, we should be biting their arm off, and then starting to hack away at the rest of their body too
This, Paulie. Good player, but 25m could be far better utilised I reckon.
I doubt the right quality being available in January and if losing our best left back undermines our promotion push then the financial implications dwarf what is allegedly on offer here.
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Could we perhaps avoid the word 'rape' in the context of football transfers?
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I like Amavi, but if anyone offers us 25m, we should be biting their arm off, and then starting to hack away at the rest of their body too
This, Paulie. Good player, but 25m could be far better utilised I reckon.
I doubt the right quality being available in January and if losing our best left back undermines our promotion push then the financial implications dwarf what is allegedly on offer here.
I'm with Chris on this. We finally have a decent left back, keep him until the summer at least.
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I do find it somewhat staggering in our current plight in the Championship, that people here are willing to let Amavi go - one of our better players this season and an important cog that could help us get back to where we need to be. Albeit a performance-blip on Monday (like the majority of the team let's not forget), but he has shown the levels of improvement and promise that we'd hoped for, just to chuck in the towel when a another Club flashes some cash at us.
£25m may be a lot of money, but in the January window... is it really? Prices are inflated, desperation then comes into play as February looms, and I'm sure most of us could say for certain that we simply would not be able to replace Amavi with a player of equal or increased talent where we currently sit, whether "We're Aston Villa" or not.
He should be kept at all costs, and I for one am glad that Tony has taken the stance he has with the offer rejection. This to me demonstrates that he's not trying to balance any books treating us as a business like others may have done in the past dangling such a £25m carrot in front of us, but actually wants to show us that he clearly wants to do the right thing by the manager and the team.
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Selling him would give out a negative signal. If we don't need the money, which seems apparent from the fact we've rejected £25 million, then why sell?
We're better off with Amavi, I don't think we'd improve on him and the message it sends out is that we mean business and cannot be bullied.
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It would be nice surprise if many the summer 2015 signings ended up coming good after a season of bedding in/healing.
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I hope he stays and starts living up to this £25m price tag. Or even half that.
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Thats a lot of potential to buy. If he is worth £25m what would Grealish or Kodjia be worth?
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I would really hope we keep him £25 million is a decent amount but we wouldn't be able to get a better player than him in January we need him more than the money.
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Selling him would give out a negative signal. If we don't need the money, which seems apparent from the fact we've rejected £25 million, then why sell?
We're better off with Amavi, I don't think we'd improve on him and the message it sends out is that we mean business and cannot be bullied.
There is obviously the payer himself to consider as well. We made it known in the summer that we won't stand in the way of an unhappy player and only want people here who are 100% committed. I think that Amavi would commit until the summer but he wouldn't be human if he didn't consider tripling his wages and joining a team hat are just off the PL summit.
Personally, I think that Amavi has some way to go until he reaches the standard that Liverpool are at. In his 12 odd PL games, his actual defending needed improvement. His asset is clearly getting forward and putting decent crosses in but he would be required to defend at the same level for Liverpool.
I think £25mil is a massive gamble for the buying club. I still struggle to take it seriously though. I can't believe that a club would get up to £25 million before the window has even opened, or that the press wouldn't have got wind of it.
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How times change. Doug Ellis would sell him for what we paid plus 5p.
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I think he's a superb player and will only get better.
Reminds me of a young Ashley Cole at the Arse.
We should keep for as long as possible!
dont let Wenger read this
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I thought we were looking at one of their young strikers - if they threw him in with £25 million then I might be tempted.
Plus another of their reserves on loan for rest of season - maybe a midfielder - Henderson?
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I like Amavi, but if anyone offers us 25m, we should be biting their arm off, and then starting to hack away at the rest of their body too
This, Paulie. Good player, but 25m could be far better utilised I reckon.
I doubt the right quality being available in January and if losing our best left back undermines our promotion push then the financial implications dwarf what is allegedly on offer here.
I'm with Chris on this. We finally have a decent left back, keep him until the summer at least.
I agree, if a team is valuing him at that at this stage then it's only going to go up. I suspect we have the funding required to improve the team in January, so no point just creating another position to replace.
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I'd keep him until the end of the season. If we go up and he wants to stay, then great. If we don't and he understandably wants to move on, then take the money.
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Selling him would give out a negative signal. If we don't need the money, which seems apparent from the fact we've rejected £25 million, then why sell?
We're better off with Amavi, I don't think we'd improve on him and the message it sends out is that we mean business and cannot be bullied.
There is obviously the payer himself to consider as well. We made it known in the summer that we won't stand in the way of an unhappy player and only want people here who are 100% committed. I think that Amavi would commit until the summer but he wouldn't be human if he didn't consider tripling his wages and joining a team hat are just off the PL summit.
Personally, I think that Amavi has some way to go until he reaches the standard that Liverpool are at. In his 12 odd PL games, his actual defending needed improvement. His asset is clearly getting forward and putting decent crosses in but he would be required to defend at the same level for Liverpool.
I think £25mil is a massive gamble for the buying club. I still struggle to take it seriously though. I can't believe that a club would get up to £25 million before the window has even opened, or that the press wouldn't have got wind of it.
I actually think their style would suit him.
They defend from the front -as a unit- so he wouldn't have as much to do defensively as he has with us.
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I thought we were looking at one of their young strikers - if they threw him in with £25 million then I might be tempted.
Plus another of their reserves on loan for rest of season - maybe a midfielder - Henderson?
Their captain and ever-present midfielder?
I would say that it's a little unlikely.
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Selling him would give out a negative signal. If we don't need the money, which seems apparent from the fact we've rejected £25 million, then why sell?
We're better off with Amavi, I don't think we'd improve on him and the message it sends out is that we mean business and cannot be bullied.
There is obviously the payer himself to consider as well. We made it known in the summer that we won't stand in the way of an unhappy player and only want people here who are 100% committed. I think that Amavi would commit until the summer but he wouldn't be human if he didn't consider tripling his wages and joining a team hat are just off the PL summit.
Personally, I think that Amavi has some way to go until he reaches the standard that Liverpool are at. In his 12 odd PL games, his actual defending needed improvement. His asset is clearly getting forward and putting decent crosses in but he would be required to defend at the same level for Liverpool.
I think £25mil is a massive gamble for the buying club. I still struggle to take it seriously though. I can't believe that a club would get up to £25 million before the window has even opened, or that the press wouldn't have got wind of it.
I actually think their style would suit him.
They defend from the front -as a unit- so he wouldn't have as much to do defensively as he has with us.
Point taken-I wouldn't like to comment, I've not watched Liverpool since they played us last season. Someone mentioned on Monday that they were currently playing Milner at LB.
I think that if Amavi were to go in January, the money wouldn't be utilized until the summer, due to it being so difficult in January and one, if not both of Gestede and Ayew also leaving for big money. I'd like to keep Amavi until the summer but I have a nagging doubt that he wouldn't be fully focused.
If there is a serious bid, part of me thinks that it might be best for all involved to do the deal.
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Bet you anything you like it's not £25 million cash. More like five million and some player who's surplus to their requirements and would end up as Stephen Ireland MkII
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I reckon it's two million up front with another twenty-three in contributions depending on him playing for France, winning the Champions League, working out how to make base metals into gold and discovering the lost continent of Atlantis. All paid over forty-six biannual installments.
They still haven't finished paying for Benteke!
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How about Milner then, on the basis he'd be displaced by a proper left back joining?
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We are not going to be resigning Milner, Young, Barry, Delph or Benteke.
People need to stop beating themselves up thinking that there is a chance of this.
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"Hi James, I know you've been ever present in a team that's second, are our first choice penalty taker and must love playing in this high scoring, fluid team. But . . Fancy dropping down to a mid table championship side?"
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It was a joke.
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We are not going to be resigning Milner, Young, Barry, Delph or Benteke.
People need to stop beating themselves up thinking that there is a chance of this.
any chance of Crouch then, what about Bannan or Davis/Davies (Curtis or Steven)
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We are not going to be resigning Milner, Young, Barry, Delph or Benteke.
People need to stop beating themselves up thinking that there is a chance of this.
any chance of Crouch then, what about Bannan or Davis/Davies (Curtis or Steven)
See my "free agent from hell post" there's a few in there that we could resign for nothing.
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We are not going to be resigning Milner, Young, Barry, Delph or Benteke.
People need to stop beating themselves up thinking that there is a chance of this.
any chance of Crouch then, what about Bannan or Davis/Davies (Curtis or Steven)
See my "free agent from hell post" there's a few in there that we could resign for nothing.
is Nigel Reo 'could do a job for us' Coker still playing
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We are not going to be resigning Milner, Young, Barry, Delph or Benteke.
People need to stop beating themselves up thinking that there is a chance of this.
any chance of Crouch then, what about Bannan or Davis/Davies (Curtis or Steven)
See my "free agent from hell post" there's a few in there that we could resign for nothing.
is Nigel Reo 'could do a job for us' Coker still playing
I have absolutely no idea, nor do I care.
I wasn't considering him realistic myself.
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In our entire history, how many players not named Cowans have ever come back and done any good for us?
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We are not going to be resigning Milner, Young, Barry, Delph or Benteke.
People need to stop beating themselves up thinking that there is a chance of this.
any chance of Crouch then, what about Bannan or Davis/Davies (Curtis or Steven)
See my "free agent from hell post" there's a few in there that we could resign for nothing.
is Nigel Reo 'could do a job for us' Coker still playing
I have absolutely no idea, nor do I care.
I wasn't considering him realistic myself.
Nor me, I was just joshing, I didn't like him the first time round
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He is bang average. Take the money if £25m has been offered which I find hard to believe
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He is bang average. Take the money if £25m has been offered which I find hard to believe
Still one of our better players though. And selling our best players over a long period of time is what got us into this mess in the first place.
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Well, the news is that the bid came from China. He won't be going there and no other club will be bidding anything near worth selling so let's just move on. We're not going to get a better left back whilst we're where we are so let's just make as much use of him as possible.
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Depends what the offer really is - if something derisory up front it will be easy to turn them down. if not then you'll get a player, and an agent, looking to force a move through. It's not like it's a Hull or Swansea reportedly after him.
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I'd be surprised if he pushed for a move to China at this stage of his career.
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We are not going to be resigning Milner, Young, Barry, Delph or Benteke.
People need to stop beating themselves up thinking that there is a chance of this.
any chance of Crouch then, what about Bannan or Davis/Davies (Curtis or Steven)
See my "free agent from hell post" there's a few in there that we could resign for nothing.
is Nigel Reo 'could do a job for us' Coker still playing
I have absolutely no idea, nor do I care.
I wasn't considering him realistic myself.
Nor me, I was just joshing, I didn't like him the first time round
Yes I know you were. I fell off my chair laughing. Do you write this stuff yourself?
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In our entire history, how many players not named Cowans have ever come back and done any good for us?
Staunton?
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In our entire history, how many players not named Cowans have ever come back and done any good for us?
Staunton?
Milner
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Andy gray
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Steve Hunt.
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Andy gray
The five goals in 54 games Andy Gray who couldn't hit a cow's arse with a banjo?
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Andy gray
The five goals in 54 games Andy Gray who couldn't hit a cow's arse with a banjo?
Still the best ever player I have enjoyed watching at Villa Park. Edit: Unless you mean the other one?
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Andy gray
The five goals in 54 games Andy Gray who couldn't hit a cow's arse with a banjo?
Still the best ever player I have enjoyed watching at Villa Park. Edit: Unless you mean the other one?
Fantastic first time around, one of my childhood heroes. However, the question was players who have done well for us in a second spell. Andy Gray was well past his best when he came back, it was quite sad to see.
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Andy gray
The five goals in 54 games Andy Gray who couldn't hit a cow's arse with a banjo?
Still the best ever player I have enjoyed watching at Villa Park. Edit: Unless you mean the other one?
Fantastic first time around, one of my childhood heroes. However, the question was players who have done well for us in a second spell. Andy Gray was well past his best when he came back, it was quite sad to see.
Agreed. The year we were relegated I think he didn't score a league goal for us
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He went from dominating games in his first spell, to sitting on his fat arse appealing for decisions in his second. His performance away at Oxford United was truly pathetic.
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Ditto Charlton when he hit the bar with a back pass to Spinksy.
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Andy gray
The five goals in 54 games Andy Gray who couldn't hit a cow's arse with a banjo?
Still the best ever player I have enjoyed watching at Villa Park. Edit: Unless you mean the other one?
Fantastic first time around, one of my childhood heroes. However, the question was players who have done well for us in a second spell. Andy Gray was well past his best when he came back, it was quite sad to see.
Agreed. The year we were relegated I think he didn't score a league goal for us
I just checked and you're right Pat. No goals in 19. I think it was away at Crystal Palace (or someone who was ground sharing with them) where the ball came to him a few yards out a couple of feet off the ground. Instead of poking it in he tried a diving header, the ball went out for a goal kick off his shoulder. In 1977 he'd have scored without a second thought.
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I don't believe for one minute we have turned down a £25 million bid for Amavi, maybe £2.5 million.
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I don't believe for one minute we have turned down a £25 million bid for Amavi, maybe £2.5 million.
On his last two showings, £25?
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Said it before and I'll say it again, he cannot defend. Sacko (who?) tore him a new arsehole. If someone really has offered £25m I suggest we call them back sharpish.
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Said it before and I'll say it again, he cannot defend. Sacko (who?) tore him a new arsehole. If someone really has offered £25m I suggest we call them back sharpish.
This, £25m for a defender that can't defend!!
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Brilliant and totally awful at the same time. Hold out for 25.1m and then sell.
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I'd be tempted to give him a go wide left. Has pace, skill and a great left foot. Is decent in the air as well. His positioning defensively tonight was not good though....Probably a mild understatement.
Adomah on the other side. We simply don't get balls in the box to create enough chances....
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He made a couple of mistakes tonight which nearly cost us but overall I thought he was ok. He's been very good since he's come back from injury.
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If anyone offers any kind of money over £10m we should snap their hands off.
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I'd be tempted to give him a go wide left. Has pace, skill and a great left foot. Is decent in the air as well. His positioning defensively tonight was not good though....Probably a mild understatement.
Adomah on the other side. We simply don't get balls in the box to create enough chances....
I share a similar mindset.. would it be suicide to put bacuna behind him? That would be a fairly skillful left side.
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If Amavi is worth £25m in today's market, Ashley Cole would have been worth £250m.
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If anyone offers any kind of money over £10m we should snap their hands off.
Why, what are we going to get for 10 million that will replace him as a left back? And money may not be an issue for us now?
We should be careful what we wish for. I remember a lot of people saying Gueye won't be missed, he's not that good, etc, etc...
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I'd be tempted to give him a go wide left. Has pace, skill and a great left foot. Is decent in the air as well. His positioning defensively tonight was not good though....Probably a mild understatement.
Adomah on the other side. We simply don't get balls in the box to create enough chances....
I share a similar mindset.. would it be suicide to put bacuna behind him? That would be a fairly skillful left side.
It was him or Cissokho!! I actually don't think the full backs are top of our issue list. We don't leak many goals from there and playing better and retaining possession takes pressure of the back 5.
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He had a very bad game tonight.
He also had their best player (who looked quite good) and their full back attacking him without any real help, especially last 10 mins, he was left isolated.
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I'd be tempted to give him a go wide left. Has pace, skill and a great left foot. Is decent in the air as well. His positioning defensively tonight was not good though....Probably a mild understatement.
Adomah on the other side. We simply don't get balls in the box to create enough chances....
I thought that as soon as i saw him
a full back he aint
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He makes at least one big error in each game, looks good going forward but he's a terrible defender.
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He makes at least one big error in each game, looks good going forward but he's a terrible defender.
Amavi is not a terrible defender!
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He's been really poor the last two games, having said that the majority of us have been saying that he's not a defender for well over a year now, left sided midfielder all day long.
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He has been very dodgy last two games but still one of the better more skilful players in our team.
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I suspect his head is elsewhere and almost gone given his performance the last two games
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Amavi is still feeling his way back from a severe cruciate knee ligament injury. Bruce reckons we'll see the best of him after 6 months competitive football. I trust SB's opinion rather than some knee-jerk comments on here.
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The one thing that he needs to cut out of his game is trying to turn a player when he is running back towards his own goal. He hasn't got the strength and gets bundled off the ball. Having let the player get away from him, he did well to recover and get a partial block on the ball to lift it up on to the bar.
He was caught a few time tonight because of not getting help from Ayew and Baker at times. This meant that he was caught in no mans land and the ball was played past him to the wide player. Ayew did some tracking back but started to fade the longer the game went on. Baker stepped up too far at times and left a big hole between him and Amarvi.
To sell him now would not be a good move as it will be difficult to bring in a player of equivalent quality. We may have money in our pocket but it would weaken the team in this position. If we don't need the money, why sell.
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Who's this Amarvi fella? Is he better than Amavi, because I haven't seen much to convince me he's all that. For a defender he makes an awful lot of errors.
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He was his own worst enemy last night. In a position to clear the ball but tried to be too clever about it. He has to recognise the fundamental part of being of full back is defending and that there is little wrong with clearing into touch if needs be. It happened two or three times, one of which presented that chance where he fluffed it and hit the bar.
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He's been one of our best players until the last couple of games, I'm prepared to cut him some slack and not call him terrible, Crap or average.
I see him as actually rather good.
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He's a good player, miles from the finished article people expect him to be after a decent start to the season. He's miles more reliable than Aly Cissokho - who, is a total waste of space.
I wonder if this transfer talk has unsettled him a bit?
I do wish he wouldn't try and play his way out of trouble, sometimes we need to safety of row Z, or a hoof up the pitch.
Still, I don't think we should be rejecting £25mil for him.
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He's been really poor the last two games, having said that the majority of us have been saying that he's not a defender for well over a year now, left sided midfielder all day long.
Amavi in midfield with cissokho behind him would give us a much better balance
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He's been really poor the last two games, having said that the majority of us have been saying that he's not a defender for well over a year now, left sided midfielder all day long.
Amavi in midfield with cissokho behind him would give us a much better balance
Cissokho should be nowhere near this team; his positional sense is absolutely terrible.
Amavi had a really good first half last night and I was amazed and how his last 20 minutes just fell apart: he needs to concentrate and do the simple things (like, pass back to his keeper rather than try and jink his way out of trouble).
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He makes at least one big error in each game, looks good going forward but he's a terrible defender.
I don't think any club would even contemplate offering us £25m if he was a terrible defender.
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He makes at least one big error in each game, looks good going forward but he's a terrible defender.
I don't think any club would even contemplate offering us £25m if he was a terrible defender.
I've been saying it for months, he's a full back who can't defend. Even the French play him as a winger because of it
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He's been really poor the last two games, having said that the majority of us have been saying that he's not a defender for well over a year now, left sided midfielder all day long.
Amavi in midfield with cissokho behind him would give us a much better balance
Suggesting Cissokho playing again for Aston Villa should result in an immediate ban.
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If you think of the best fullbacks in the game, it's nigh on impossible to name one that doesn't have a defensive blunder in them. There's an argument that a fullback of his type is a luxury that we can't afford in our current team and in the championship but it doesn't mean he's a bad player.
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As I said, nobody has taken into account the severe cruciate knee injury and the time it takes to fully be match fit and up to speed - read Steve Bruce's comments regarding this situation.
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He makes at least one big error in each game, looks good going forward but he's a terrible defender.
I don't think any club would even contemplate offering us £25m if he was a terrible defender.
I'm pretty certain no club has.
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As I said, nobody has taken into account the severe cruciate knee injury and the time it takes to fully be match fit and up to speed - read Steve Bruce's comments regarding this situation.
To be fair to him he was making some shocking mistakes before the injury. I like him as an attacking threat but as a defender he's very average. Nice hair though!
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£25m - really?!
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He makes at least one big error in each game, looks good going forward but he's a terrible defender.
I don't think any club would even contemplate offering us £25m if he was a terrible defender.
I'm pretty certain no club has.
Dr Tony seems to think we turned a bid down.
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Which he specifically said was for £25m.
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If you think of the best fullbacks in the game, it's nigh on impossible to name one that doesn't have a defensive blunder in them.
The problem is that it's not an occasional blunder, it's usually a couple a game and was at least 4 last night.
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But he's also 22 and recovering from injury.
Whether it's one or several mistakes, the point is he's probably never going to be a good defender but if he gets that side of his game up to a 7/10 he could be among the best FBs around.
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But he's also 22 and recovering from injury.
Whether it's one or several mistakes, the point is he's probably never going to be a good defender but if he gets that side of his game up to a 7/10 he could be among the best FBs around.
No he's not, he's 22 and recovered from injury
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But he's also 22 and recovering from injury.
Whether it's one or several mistakes, the point is he's probably never going to be a good defender but if he gets that side of his game up to a 7/10 he could be among the best FBs around.
No he's not, he's 22 and recovered from injury
Bruce did say that it may well take up to 6 months to see the best of him after his injury.
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I am thinking what would he be like if he was 23 and partially recovered from injury? Would he be a 7/10 or 3/4?
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He's been really poor the last two games, having said that the majority of us have been saying that he's not a defender for well over a year now, left sided midfielder all day long.
Amavi in midfield with cissokho behind him would give us a much better balance
Suggesting Cissokho playing again for Aston Villa should result in an immediate ban.
Cissokho is fine as long as he stops at the half way line
Expecting a full back to be in his own box defdnding one minute and then bombing down the wing and putting a decent cross the next is unrealstic
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But he's also 22 and recovering from injury.
Whether it's one or several mistakes, the point is he's probably never going to be a good defender but if he gets that side of his game up to a 7/10 he could be among the best FBs around.
No he's not, he's 22 and recovered from injury
Is that your medical opinion? He's half a season post one of the nastiest injuries a footballer can sustain. It would be impressive if he was back to full fitness and full confidence in his knee at this stage.
But even if you were right, and his fitness is back to 100%, the impact of missing that much game time at a crucial stage of he career is impossible to quantify but likely to be significant.
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He makes at least one big error in each game, looks good going forward but he's a terrible defender.
I don't think any club would even contemplate offering us £25m if he was a terrible defender.
I'm pretty certain no club has.
Dr Tony seems to think we turned a bid down.
I didn't believe him when he tweeted it. I can't believe any club would be daft enough to offer that kind of money for him or any club be daft enough to turn down that amount of money for him.
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one thing is irrefutable in my opinion - he isn't a PL quality player
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He makes at least one big error in each game, looks good going forward but he's a terrible defender.
I don't think any club would even contemplate offering us £25m if he was a terrible defender.
I'm pretty certain no club has.
Dr Tony seems to think we turned a bid down.
I didn't believe him when he tweeted it. I can't believe any club would be daft enough to offer that kind of money for him or any club be daft enough to turn down that amount of money for him.
I'm not sure why he would lie about it though and besides, his agent would also know if a bid had been made or not.
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He makes at least one big error in each game, looks good going forward but he's a terrible defender.
I don't think any club would even contemplate offering us £25m if he was a terrible defender.
I'm pretty certain no club has.
Dr Tony seems to think we turned a bid down.
I didn't believe him when he tweeted it. I can't believe any club would be daft enough to offer that kind of money for him or any club be daft enough to turn down that amount of money for him.
Must admit it did seem a bit far fetched,
but he's been pretty open and honest with his tweets up to now, so i'l give him the benefit if doubt this time
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I thought it was a bit of bravado, look how we can turn down such imaginary bids for our players kind of thing. I know there is no rhyme or reason to transfer fees these days but if we did pay £9 million for him I can't see where the £16 million of improvements have been made especially after his long injury lay off.
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There were question marks over Amavi's defending last season.
I liken him to Matthew Lowton, who (IMO) got off very lightly from fans in his first season, due to his play in the final 3rd of the field. Poor Bennett copped for the flak, when in reality, his defending was no worse than that of Lowtons.
When I look at a full back, I first look at his defensive qualities, I don't give a sh%t how fancy he looks further up the field.
I accept that Amavi is still only 22 but several of his mistakes are down to bad decision making and cannot be attributed to him coming back from a serious injury. He will improve and become a better defender but he is not anywhere near the £25mil mark as yet.
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Maybe but it's possible someone offered that much. John Stones went for nearly £50m after he was brought for next to nothing. Some clubs see potential and are happy to throw money at it.
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He's been really poor the last two games, having said that the majority of us have been saying that he's not a defender for well over a year now, left sided midfielder all day long.
Amavi in midfield with cissokho behind him would give us a much better balance
Suggesting Cissokho playing again for Aston Villa should result in an immediate ban.
Cissokho is fine as long as he stops at the half way line
Expecting a full back to be in his own box defdnding one minute and then bombing down the wing and putting a decent cross the next is unrealstic
No he isn't, he has the same limitations that Hutton does in that he gets caught out of position time after time but often gets away with with a decent recovering tackle. The issue is if you rely on last ditch tackles you'll give away a fair number of penalties as we've seen this year.
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He makes at least one big error in each game, looks good going forward but he's a terrible defender.
I don't think any club would even contemplate offering us £25m if he was a terrible defender.
Unless they're Chinese seeing the crazy figures they're splashing about.
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He makes at least one big error in each game, looks good going forward but he's a terrible defender.
I don't think any club would even contemplate offering us £25m if he was a terrible defender.
Unless they're Chinese seeing the crazy figures they're splashing about.
In that case we should hold out for £75 million.
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Great cross for Chester's header. The cross was instinctive and proves what he can do but otherwise had a poor game
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I think he had a good first half, 2nd half he didn't have a great time but he was 2 on 1 with Sacko and Ayling far more than he should've been and the gap between him and Baker was far too wide meaning he was caught between 2 bad decisions far too many times. He didn't help himself with some of the dithering though.
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I think he had a good first half, 2nd half he didn't have a great time but he was 2 on 1 with Sacko and Ayling far more than he should've been and the gap between him and Baker was far too wide meaning he was caught between 2 bad decisions far too many times. He didn't help himself with some of the dithering though.
That's how I saw it too. Ayling pushed higher up and there were often 3 on their right flank.
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I think he had a good first half, 2nd half he didn't have a great time but he was 2 on 1 with Sacko and Ayling far more than he should've been and the gap between him and Baker was far too wide meaning he was caught between 2 bad decisions far too many times. He didn't help himself with some of the dithering though.
Even though he tried to shepherd the ball out, failed, fell on his backside appealing for something and nearly cost us a goal?
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He was okay going forwards but poor at the back. He does tend to make a mistake or two a game but gets away with it as he has the pace to get back and make amends. He didn't have that luxury yesterday as the Leeds player he was against was a quick fucker, too.
He's still learning and will get better. He's also just come back from a year out and, for the most part, been very good for us. I wouldn't be so dismissive of his abilities as some are on here.
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I think he had a good first half, 2nd half he didn't have a great time but he was 2 on 1 with Sacko and Ayling far more than he should've been and the gap between him and Baker was far too wide meaning he was caught between 2 bad decisions far too many times. He didn't help himself with some of the dithering though.
Even though he tried to shepherd the ball out, failed, fell on his backside appealing for something and nearly cost us a goal?
So 1 defensive mistake means that anything else he did should be ignored? Also, that specific moment wasn't all that disimilar to one at the other end 5 minutes earlier where Bacuna conceded a free kick, I couldn't really work out how the ref saw one as a foul and not the other. I know that's not entirely relevant but I do think the ref was very lenient with Leeds in the first half, can't work out how the leveler on Grealish wasn't a foul at the very least. The dithering over the penalty would've been the last straw if he hadn't given it and I can't quite work out how taking someones legs in the box is an auto red for denying a scoring opportunity but using your hand to push the ball off their head in a similar place isn't. Accidental handball is one thing but a genuine professional foul like that really has to be a red for me.
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Brilliant and totally awful at the same time. Hold out for 25.1m and then sell.
The Savo of left backs. Keep hold, if history repeats itself someone will offer about £100m for him 12 months down the line.
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He was okay going forwards but poor at the back. He does tend to make a mistake or two a game but gets away with it as he has the pace to get back and make amends. He didn't have that luxury yesterday as the Leeds player he was against was a quick fucker, too.
He's still learning and will get better. He's also just come back from a year out and, for the most part, been very good for us. I wouldn't be so dismissive of his abilities as some are on here.
Exactly right. I think the current problem is that he has a striker out of position in front of him most games and a central defender with a history of positional problems inside him and no one really talking to him in the game to help him get his head back in the game after a mistake. Like Grealish there's enough natural talent there that I want to see us build a team with him in mind. I suspect he could become a very, very good full back in a couple of years.
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Gareth Bale started out in much the same way. He looked a disaster as a defender.
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Amavi reminds me of Kyle Walker when he was with us. Good going forward, suspect defensively at times but with the pace to make up for it a lot of the time.
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Gareth Bale started out in much the same way. He looked a disaster as a defender.
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Gareth Bale started out in much the same way. He looked a disaster as a defender.
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Amavi is only 22. Defenders tend to really mature around 26/27. Still has a lot to learn, but the talent is there.
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He missed nearly all of last season with a horrendous injury, so he got very little experience of English football. He has had six managers since he arrived. The team has been relegated. New team members have joined the group. He is reasonably young with, imo, a potentially successful career in front of him. I have seen improvement throughout this season. The last couple of matches he has made poor decisions but he will learn and become better. As always we need to be patient, support our younger players and give them confidence to improve.
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Because defenders are asked to do loads more than they used to do there is very few really good ones who rarely make mistakes even at the top of the prem teams all have defenders that do dodgy things
there are no more like Stuart Pearce anymore who was just great at defending,
If we sold Amavi and I think I would be tempted at 25 mill to be honest, it would be impossible to find a defender who was without faults especially at this level and for reasonable money
Just look at the goalkeepers we are going through, they are all no better than Guzan who made mistakes but was still better than Bunn etc
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....... and I can't quite work out how taking someones legs in the box is an auto red for denying a scoring opportunity but using your hand to push the ball off their head in a similar place isn't. Accidental handball is one thing but a genuine professional foul like that really has to be a red for me.
I am surprised nobody else has mentioned this. From the first replay I saw, I thought he clearly deliberately pushed the ball away from Gestede's head to prevent him scoring. From his position, the referee should not have missed the handball and if he had seen it, he might have deemed it deliberate and a sending off offense. The linesman clearly saw what happened but would the referee accept the linesman saying it was a penalty and it was deliberate. Did the referee take the easy option by just giving a penalty.
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....... and I can't quite work out how taking someones legs in the box is an auto red for denying a scoring opportunity but using your hand to push the ball off their head in a similar place isn't. Accidental handball is one thing but a genuine professional foul like that really has to be a red for me.
I am surprised nobody else has mentioned this. From the first replay I saw, I thought he clearly deliberately pushed the ball away from Gestede's head to prevent him scoring. From his position, the referee should not have missed the handball and if he had seen it, he might have deemed it deliberate and a sending off offense. The linesman clearly saw what happened but would the referee accept the linesman saying it was a penalty and it was deliberate. Did the referee take the easy option by just giving a penalty.
He gave him a yellow card which means they saw it as a deliberate handball but not as denying a goalscoring chance. It's the latter interpretation that I think is questionable.
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....... and I can't quite work out how taking someones legs in the box is an auto red for denying a scoring opportunity but using your hand to push the ball off their head in a similar place isn't. Accidental handball is one thing but a genuine professional foul like that really has to be a red for me.
I am surprised nobody else has mentioned this. From the first replay I saw, I thought he clearly deliberately pushed the ball away from Gestede's head to prevent him scoring. From his position, the referee should not have missed the handball and if he had seen it, he might have deemed it deliberate and a sending off offense. The linesman clearly saw what happened but would the referee accept the linesman saying it was a penalty and it was deliberate. Did the referee take the easy option by just giving a penalty.
He gave him a yellow card which means they saw it as a deliberate handball but not as denying a goalscoring chance. It's the latter interpretation that I think is questionable.
Didn't he get the yellow card for dissent.
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I can't quite work out how taking someones legs in the box is an auto red for denying a scoring opportunity but using your hand to push the ball off their head in a similar place isn't.
It's not anymore (the first one) - they changed the laws in the summer, if it's not deemed to be a deliberate foul then it's just a caution rather than a red.
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Leeds were regularly targeting balls down his side and clearly identified his defensive frailties . He has no positional sense. If someone is offering £25m (and I very much doubt it) I would bite their hand off.
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Leeds were regularly targeting balls down his side and clearly identified his defensive frailties . He has no positional sense. If someone is offering £25m (and I very much doubt it) I would bite their hand off.
And their arms and legs
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Leeds were regularly targeting balls down his side and clearly identified his defensive frailties . He has no positional sense. If someone is offering £25m (and I very much doubt it) I would bite their hand off.
It could be that or it could be that he had Sacko and Ayling both on him and their striker was drifting to that side as well, put any left back in that situation and they'll make positional errors because he had no choice but to leave gaps. If you watch it back you'll notice that the point where his positioning became really suspect was when Ayew went off (actually for about 10 minutes before because Ayew looked fucked after about 50-55 and stopped tracking back) and we had no one on the left side of midfield, they realised and pushed Ayling much higher up the pitch.
This is why I'd like us to buy someone who is naturally a left of centre midfielder who can help out in this cases, it allows the left sided attacker to be higher up the pitch (which keeps their full-back in check anyway) and stops Amavi being exposed. Someone LIKE barry or delph, naturally left sided, good defensively and either fit enough or talented enough to ofer something going forward as well.
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Not sure it's been mentioned but credit must go to Amavi for making the mistake at the end and recovering in time to get a touch on the shot that hit the bar. make the error and clean up your mess. He should be applauded for that at least.
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Not sure it's been mentioned but credit must go to Amavi for making the mistake at the end and recovering in time to get a touch on the shot that hit the bar. make the error and clean up your mess. He should be applauded for that at least.
Totally agree. Great recovery. He'll be some player given time and once fit.
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Not sure it's been mentioned but credit must go to Amavi for making the mistake at the end and recovering in time to get a touch on the shot that hit the bar. make the error and clean up your mess. He should be applauded for that at least.
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Totally agree. Great recovery. He'll be some player given time and once fit.
Agree totally. His defensive game can be coached, but he has all the natural talent to succeed.
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Not sure it's been mentioned but credit must go to Amavi for making the mistake at the end and recovering in time to get a touch on the shot that hit the bar. make the error and clean up your mess. He should be applauded for that at least.
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Totally agree. Great recovery. He'll be some player given time and once fit.
Agree totally. His defensive game can be coached, but he has all the natural talent to succeed.
The bold bit is key. I think as a club we've spent a fair bit of time focusing on players who don't have that, people like Gabby, Hutton, Westwood, Gestede can all be effective and at times have worked hard but the lack of natural ability is a limiting factor. It's my concern with Baker as well, he's playing really well at the moment and has worked hard to get to the level he is but there's still problems because he just doesn't have the natural instincts you'd expect.
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A few years ago Walker when he was with us and Rose when he was at Sunderland had loads of defensive flaws but bags of ability. They've both improved defensively since then. Amavi fits into the same category, he may not be worth £25m now but he will, given time.
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A few years ago Walker when he was with us and Rose when he was at Sunderland had loads of defensive flaws but bags of ability. They've both improved defensively since then. Amavi fits into the same category, he may not be worth £25m now but he will, given time.
I agree completely (well maybe not the exact numbers). However will add that it will only happen if the club place the greatest emphasis on having the best coaches and a manager that works them hard and buys in to the development strategy.
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With Cissoko leaving looks like Amavi is well a truly staying. I would like Brady to come in to help support him both as a cover during a match but also if he was injured.
Then in summer reassess what will happen.
I have to say seeing fully the wolves match that he was a joy when he skipped over a few tackles and clipped in a delicious cross for mcCormack header. I'd like to see a constant threat by this guy going forward and I do feel despite having defensive laps that he can be a threat and value addition like a Danny rose or Monreal is too spurs and arsenal
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Don't rate him at all. I've seen a fair few left backs in this crap division this season much more solid than he is, he looks like he's worth a couple of million.
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Defensively he can be shambolic but like to think he improved. I felt initially under Bruce he had got message on how to defend but he's fallen a bit .
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He is not a left back, positionally unaware and a bottler even before is injury. He is a left sided midfielder who with a decent left back behind him would make us much more solid
totally disagree about the coaching bit, if at nearly 23 you are a defender who is shit at defending then it aint going to happen
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Been saying it all season and got criticised for it - he can't defend.
I'm glad people are finally seeing it
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He frightens the life out of me in his defensive role. He is a liability, for every one good thing he does ( the cross for McCormack) there are 3 bad or horrendous things he will do in every game.
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we need to find a different position for him, or take the £25m asap
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His pace gets him out of trouble, put that pace at the other end of the field and it will hurt teams
it shouldnt be that hard to work out
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we need to find a different position for him, or take the £25m asap
There is no £25m and it's probably best we get that out of our heads.
Even if there was such a bid it would be reliant on a promising young French U21 player agreeing to effectively piss his career up the wall by going to China.
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His pace gets him out of trouble, put that pace at the other end of the field and it will hurt teams
it shouldnt be that hard to work out
Some pacey fullbacks manage to do both. No need to change his position, just utilise him more.
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Manure's turned a winger or two into a full back...Valencia, Young etc. and we changed Kenny Swain into an England class full back. But it it a matter of what's between their ears, that enables it to happen. And being able to transmit that from Geordie into French is going to be a good trick !
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His pace gets him out of trouble, put that pace at the other end of the field and it will hurt teams
it shouldnt be that hard to work out
Some pacey fullbacks manage to do both. No need to change his position, just utilise him more.
Apart from the fact he cant defend and is a liability
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He gave up when he got turned for the goal. Blame Johnstone as much as want at least he showed commitment
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It would be insanity to let Cissokho go with how Amavi is playing. Frankly we need to sign two new left backs and bin both of them. Neither is good enough and if we could get something silly for Amavi, as quoted, then I'd be all for it, on the proviso we've signed someone.
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Amavi has real potential, if he can cut out the mistakes and concentrate he could be a top player.
One of few Villa players with talent.
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It would be insanity to let Cissokho go with how Amavi is playing.
He's already gone and it's no great loss.
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It would be insanity to let Cissokho go with how Amavi is playing.
He's already gone and it's no great loss.
If we'd signed someone by now it wouldn't, but we haven't and we desperately need to drop Amavi. I've got everything crossed we sign a left back before the weekend, but we've still got to sign 2-3 midfielders and a striker before we even consider that position.
Much like Gestede though, I think shipping out players and leaving yourself short is asking for trouble. Cissokho is a shade better defensively than Amavi. Not saying much, but he is.
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3 out and 1 in
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Have to think a left back and right back are on the agenda. We have no cover at all. Desperately sorry at centre half too, paper thin midfield, no proper pace and 2 centre forwards.
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Have to think a left back and right back are on the agenda. We have no cover at all. Desperately sorry at centre half too, paper thin midfield, no proper pace and 2 centre forwards.
Apart from that, everything is just marvellous!
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Haha how have we spent 50m last summer in the championship and got such a thin squad?
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can't believe we have let Cissokho go when the only other option to Amavi will be Baker at full back and bringing Elphick back into the centre.
Obvious things were set in stone prior to 5:30pm last saturday.
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The disappointing thing for me with Amavi is the way we are using him. If we switched to a 352 he would become a real asset going forward where he is better and not so exposed defensively. Adomah could do the same on the right comfortably too, meaning Hutton would not have to be seen either. We would have 3 in midfield and not be over run and still have 2 strikers.
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In a 3-5-2, McCafu could be one of the three, thus avoiding the need to play Mad Tom
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He played alright the other night. Think in a 3 he would be fine.
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Amavi's attitude needs to improve a lot. Half hearted efforts defensively a lot of the time and that isn't acceptable. Showed serious quality with that run and cross for that chance at the weekend mind.
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He totally bottled a 50/50 challenge 5 or 10 minutes from the end of the Wolves game. Should have busted his gut to win, or at least try to win the ball. I'm sure that impressed Bruce.
He's not the long term future left back. Sell. Cash in.
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He totally bottled a 50/50 challenge 5 or 10 minutes from the end of the Wolves game. Should have busted his gut to win, or at least try to win the ball. I'm sure that impressed Bruce.
He's not the long term future left back. Sell. Cash in.
Bottled a challenge 5 or 10 minutes from the end! He bottles out of every challenge - honestly not being smart arsed just look at any clip you want. He has no future let alone long term as a defender.
We have had great wing back defenders in the past like Kenny Swain and John Gidman but the one thing that they had in common apart from their city of birth was that they both could put a tackle in.
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It would be insanity to let Cissokho go with how Amavi is playing.
He's already gone and it's no great loss.
If we'd signed someone by now it wouldn't, but we haven't and we desperately need to drop Amavi. I've got everything crossed we sign a left back before the weekend, but we've still got to sign 2-3 midfielders and a striker before we even consider that position.
Much like Gestede though, I think shipping out players and leaving yourself short is asking for trouble. Cissokho is a shade better defensively than Amavi. Not saying much, but he is.
I agree with you about selling our second top scorer but letting a poor player like Cissokho leave isn't likely to cost us points. Remember... this is the guy who gave away two penalties in four days.
I think it's fair to say that most of us would of took the £25 million for Amavi, and yes he's been absolutely dire since that news broke but a back-up/replacement LB is the least of our concerns. We either have/had some irons in the fire or Brucey saw Baker fill in there years ago and will make do till the summer.
Realistically.. we aren't going up or down this season. Even if we get five new players in this window, then for us to click as a team, then get the points we need all in a short space of time (it's February in two weeks) isn't likely to happen.
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Bottled a challenge 5 or 10 minutes from the end! He bottles out of every challenge - honestly not being smart arsed just look at any clip you want. He has no future let alone long term as a defender.
We have had great wing back defenders in the past like Kenny Swain and John Gidman but the one thing that they had in common apart from their city of birth was that they both could put a tackle in.
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So, a Scouse, or over the water Wooly Back left back needed.
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This was in the Mail today in their championship page:
"Molineux had a big crowd to mark Graham Taylor's life. But one observer was there professionall. A Hertha Berlin Scout was looking at championship talent. He was impressed with Villa's Jordan Amavi."
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Bottled a challenge 5 or 10 minutes from the end! He bottles out of every challenge - honestly not being smart arsed just look at any clip you want. He has no future let alone long term as a defender.
We have had great wing back defenders in the past like Kenny Swain and John Gidman but the one thing that they had in common apart from their city of birth was that they both could put a tackle in.
So, a Scouse, or over the water Wooly Back left back needed.
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So move on from there a John Robson, Colin Gibson, Gary Williams or Gordon Smith. We seem to be left with the greyhound from Steptoe whom Harold paid out for.
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You forget the best one. Built like a brick water closet, as fast as a Navigation Street tram, left foot shot that needed a firearms certificate, a face like Sitting Bull and as if that was not enough, hair oil and a centre parting. Dickie Dorsett.
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Bottled a challenge 5 or 10 minutes from the end! He bottles out of every challenge - honestly not being smart arsed just look at any clip you want. He has no future let alone long term as a defender.
We have had great wing back defenders in the past like Kenny Swain and John Gidman but the one thing that they had in common apart from their city of birth was that they both could put a tackle in.
So, a Scouse, or over the water Wooly Back left back needed.
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Thought Ricardo Calder , who I have always rated , looked the part at left back for the U 23s last night. Brave, physically strong and not afraid to go forward ...............Godzvilla!
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This was in the Mail today in their championship page:
"Molineux had a big crowd to mark Graham Taylor's life. But one observer was there professionall. A Hertha Berlin Scout was looking at championship talent. He was impressed with Villa's Jordan Amavi."
If I was Hertha Berlin I'd be looking for a new scout rather than a new left back. I'm a fan of Amarvi but he was dire on Saturday.
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This was in the Mail today in their championship page:
"Molineux had a big crowd to mark Graham Taylor's life. But one observer was there professionall. A Hertha Berlin Scout was looking at championship talent. He was impressed with Villa's Jordan Amavi."
If I was Hertha Berlin I'd be looking for a new scout rather than a new left back. I'm a fan of Amarvi but he was dire on Saturday.
He might like him, but I'd doubt they could afford him anyway.
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Is Paddy Reilly working for Hertha Berlin now?
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So Amavi is the new scapegoat now? FFS why can't you support some of our promising young players rather than take every opportunity to stick the knife in?
We all know the team is vastly underachieving at the moment, but Amavi has the potential to become a really good player for us and notwithstanding a few errors I've seen enough to think he's an exiting prospect. But some of you seem to genuinely enjoy laying into our players.
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Paddy Reilly is not with Hertha Berlin. He is with Bertha Hurlin the Russian shot putter. They are very happy.
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I'd sell for £25m. He's decent enough but we could replace him and get a pair of decent midfielders in for £25m. Amavi has moments when looks great, has moments when he looks awful.
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He totally bottled a 50/50 challenge 5 or 10 minutes from the end of the Wolves game. Should have busted his gut to win, or at least try to win the ball. I'm sure that impressed Bruce.
He's not the long term future left back. Sell. Cash in.
I was fuming at that, wasn't even a 50/50. He'd have won that ball if he was committed to the tackle.
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I'd sell for £25m. He's decent enough but we could replace him and get a pair of decent midfielders in for £25m. Amavi has moments when looks great, has moments when he looks awful.
Why do people keep banging on about £25m? It doesn't exist. If it did it would be reliant on a Young French under 21 player agreeing to piss away his career in China in order that we can get a ransom fee for him.
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it's also even less likely now China are changing their rules on overseas players
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it's also even less likely now China are changing their rules on overseas players
They have put a cap of three overseas players only per team.
I was going to mention that's an infringement of rights, but then remembered this is China we're talking about..
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To those suggesting we should sell and reinvest, can I ask how well you think we've managed to do that in the past?
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To those suggesting we should sell and reinvest, can I ask how well you think we've managed to do that in the past?
yep, we've been awash with quality full backs over the last 10 years...
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it's also even less likely now China are changing their rules on overseas players
They have put a cap of three overseas players only per team.
I was going to mention that's an infringement of rights, but then remembered this is China we're talking about..
v. true - it would be unlike china to let something as novel as human rights get in the way of anything...
it makes it unlikely though that they will use one of their limited spaces on a) a left back and b) not someone already playing at a v. high level
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To those suggesting we should sell and reinvest, can I ask how well you think we've managed to do that in the past?
yep, we've been awash with quality full backs over the last 10 years...
Even though you're being sarcastic Amavi isn't one of them. He is a skillful player but not a full back.
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To those suggesting we should sell and reinvest, can I ask how well you think we've managed to do that in the past?
yep, we've been awash with quality full backs over the last 10 years...
Even though you're being sarcastic Amavi isn't one of them. He is a skillful player but not a full back.
He may not be on form yet, but he has great potential and may become a fantastic full back in time. Don't forget he's only had half a season in English football so far and much of that he was getting back up to speed following bad injury
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Amavi is going to be a class act. We'd be stupid not to do what we can to ensure that it happens with us.
I assume he has ambitions to play for France, so you can forget the theoretical £25 million as he won't be going to China for a few years yet.
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Why is amavi going to be a class act?
based on what? He has no positional sense as a full back and is a bottler so unless he grows a pair and gets top coaching (which he wont with us)
He could be a good midfielder
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I like Amavi. I think there's a lot of potential there for him to go on and be a very good player.
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I like Amavi. There is enough about him to make persevering worth the effort.
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Think Amavi could be a good player in the making. Trouble is he plays for Aston villa where players don't seem to improve but merely go backwards. I really do question our coaching set up as we fail to develop and improve players. We just seem to sick the confidence out of them.
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Why is amavi going to be a class act?
based on what? He has no positional sense as a full back and is a bottler so unless he grows a pair and gets top coaching (which he wont with us)
He could be a good midfielder
So based on one 50:50 he's now a bottler? FFS do you like any footballers or is your enjoyment more from just slagging them off?
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I pay my money and like everyone else can slag players off or praise them. If you want to think everything is rosey thats up to you
At the moment i am slagging most of them off as we are twenty points off top spot and 10 off the play offs and the majority should be at least looking like they can be arsed
I have long said that imo amavi isnt a defender and would be much better suited to being a midfielder
As far as being a bottler goes, saturday wasnt the first time, its happened several times already this season and last season before he got injured.
remember the bitters at home last season, what was the name of the left back who bottled a challenge by the corndr flag that directly led to them scoring from nothing?
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I don't think the guy is a bottler at all. The more games he plays getting over his injury, the better he'll get.
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Nor do I. And I just don't see what is to be gained by laying into one of our more promising players, particularly when there are so many candidates more worthy of people ire.
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This is Déjà vu of the Adama Traore thread. He's crap. Get rid. Next.
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We've tried a few different formations this season but I imagine we haven't tried 3 at the back because of the lack of pace we have in the central defensive positions.
Amavi would be an asset in this formation but I'm afraid he keeps making basic errors in a back four. On Saturday he couldn't keep in line with the rest of the back four, couldn't track runners, kept wandering inside, missed tackles. It was poor and not the first time.
I was watching him positionally very closely and he didn't know whether to stick or twist with Costa and it was a mismatch.
The kid is still really raw and if they can work on the basics with him he might still be a player for us, but I just don't see a full-back at the moment.
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He reminds me a lot of Bale, obviously nowhere near as good but clearly not a left back. Getting him higher up the pitch would help us as a team.
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Someone else has probably mentioned this but he reminds me of Kyle Walker when he was with us. Good going forward, but awful at times defensively.
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Someone else has probably mentioned this but he reminds me of Kyle Walker when he was with us. Good going forward, but awful at times defensively.
Exactly. I think a lot of people thought Bertrand was shit too. Sometimes you have to let players develop and not always 'cash in' if you don't have instant success
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Why is amavi going to be a class act?
based on what? He has no positional sense as a full back and is a bottler so unless he grows a pair and gets top coaching (which he wont with us)
He could be a good midfielder
He could be a good midfield powder puff bottler then ?
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He's a shockingly poor defender.
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Is there not a direct correlation between the team's dip in form and Amavi's? As the whole team has got worse and we've been up against it more often, his performance has dropped. It would be weird if we had ten players putting in Mcormack-esque performances and yet a relatively inexperienced leftback was getting 8 or 9 out of 10 every week. He's looked more susceptible the last few weeks, undoubtedly. But it would be harsh to judge him on those weeks; we've been clueless. He was one of the (very) few players to stand out during our tiny purple patch when Bruce took over, so would grant him a bit more leeway than some of the others, who have been crap for years.
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I'm afraid it is the correlation with Calderwood's arrival that is more likely to be the reason.
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Someone else has probably mentioned this but he reminds me of Kyle Walker when he was with us. Good going forward, but awful at times defensively.
Exactly. I think a lot of people thought Bertrand was shit too. Sometimes you have to let players develop and not always 'cash in' if you don't have instant success
Nah, Kyle Walker had a lot more muscle meaning he wasn't barged off the ball like Amavi can be at times.
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Idon't think we should worry about Amavi: he will only get better.
We should be xhitting bricks over the lack of an effective MF and poor cover for CB.
And Bunn.
And Hutton.
And our attacking prowess.
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Idon't think we should worry about Amavi: he will only get better.
We should be xhitting bricks over the lack of an effective MF and poor cover for CB.
And Bunn.
And Hutton.
And our attacking prowess.
Quite. He's far from perfect at the moment, but on the list of players we should be looking at replacing there are probably around twenty names ahead of him.
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Idon't think we should worry about Amavi: he will only get better.
We should be xhitting bricks over the lack of an effective MF and poor cover for CB.
And Bunn.
And Hutton.
And our attacking prowess.
Quite. He's far from perfect at the moment, but on the list of players we should be looking at replacing there are probably around twenty names ahead of him.
Agree 100%
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Idon't think we should worry about Amavi: he will only get better.
We should be xhitting bricks over the lack of an effective MF and poor cover for CB.
And Bunn.
And Hutton.
And our attacking prowess.
Quite. He's far from perfect at the moment, but on the list of players we should be looking at replacing there are probably around twenty names ahead of him.
Agree 100%
Agree 110%
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If you look at most of Amavi's mistakes they are when he is trying to get himself out of trouble. It's usually when he is facing his own goal and tries to turn his player. Is it because he is just an attacking minded player or is it because nobody is making themselves available for the simple pass back and inside to the central defender or back to the keeper. It's the same some times for the midfield players. Is there too much of players standing watching other players do things and why we look like 11 individuals, rather than a team.
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That is such a good point you have made.
Our players ALL seem to do a thing and then stop in admiration of their act. Nobody is running into spaces to drag players away and so many times you see a quick-fire bit of thinking ( a la Amavi and McCormack last game ) which comes to nothing because the intended recipient is on his heels. Not on the same wavelength and not even already moving into position for an anticipated pass. Drives me bonkers and screaming at the TV when I see that.
At games it is worse...neighbours look offended when I scream at my age.
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it's also even less likely now China are changing their rules on overseas players
They have put a cap of three overseas players only per team.
I was going to mention that's an infringement of rights, but then remembered this is China we're talking about..
v. true - it would be unlike china to let something as novel as human rights get in the way of anything...
it makes it unlikely though that they will use one of their limited spaces on a) a left back and b) not someone already playing at a v. high level
How is it an infringement of rights?
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Remember when we had that sort of "Foreign Player " cap in use in England ? That's why we now have such a poor percentage of English talent able to break through to play for the country.
The Chinese have become aware that if they want to dominate world football (along with everything else, that is ) they will have to find a way to develop their own ( he's Won Liu of our own )
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Remember when we had that sort of "Foreign Player " cap in use in England ? That's why we now have such a poor percentage of English talent able to break through to play for the country.
Because back when there was a limit on foreign players, England dominated the world football stage.
Nowadays leagues where there are unlimited foreigners like England, Spain, Germany, France - their national teams are all rubbish.
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Remember when we had that sort of "Foreign Player " cap in use in England ? That's why we now have such a poor percentage of English talent able to break through to play for the country.
Because back when there was a limit on foreign players, England dominated the world football stage.
Nowadays leagues where there are unlimited foreigners like England, Spain, Germany, France - their national teams are all rubbish.
Very good.
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Evening.
The question about Amavi surely getting better, is.........with Aston Villa ??.......and the apparent lack of "coaching" which defines the poor skills, inter-play and improvement in "team awareness " that Villa players have in common it seems.
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Remember when we had that sort of "Foreign Player " cap in use in England ? That's why we now have such a poor percentage of English talent able to break through to play for the country.
Because back when there was a limit on foreign players, England dominated the world football stage.
Nowadays leagues where there are unlimited foreigners like England, Spain, Germany, France - their national teams are all rubbish.
Very good.
I put England's lack of success down to not singing then national anthem LOUD ENOUGH
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Evening.
The question about Amavi surely getting better, is.........with Aston Villa ??.......and the apparent lack of "coaching" which defines the poor skills, inter-play and improvement in "team awareness " that Villa players have in common it seems.
I suspect continued shit coaching isn't in Bruce's masterplan.
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Remember when we had that sort of "Foreign Player " cap in use in England ? That's why we now have such a poor percentage of English talent able to break through to play for the country.
Because back when there was a limit on foreign players, England dominated the world football stage.
Nowadays leagues where there are unlimited foreigners like England, Spain, Germany, France - their national teams are all rubbish.
Very good.
I put England's lack of success down to not singing then national anthem LOUD ENOUGH
That'll be why Spain do so well, then.
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Evening.
The question about Amavi surely getting better, is.........with Aston Villa ??.......and the apparent lack of "coaching" which defines the poor skills, inter-play and improvement in "team awareness " that Villa players have in common it seems.
I suspect continued shit coaching isn't in Bruce's masterplan.
Ah, right........but beware the presence of the Calderwood ( we should beware anyone with "wood" ) in their name nowadays, methinks.
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Or not, on the basis that having similar names doesn't necessarily equate to being a similar person. Benito Carbone never invaded Abyssinia, for instance.
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Evening.
The question about Amavi surely getting better, is.........with Aston Villa ??.......and the apparent lack of "coaching" which defines the poor skills, inter-play and improvement in "team awareness " that Villa players have in common it seems.
I suspect continued shit coaching isn't in Bruce's masterplan.
Ah, right........but beware the presence of the Calderwood ( we should beware anyone with "wood" ) in their name nowadays, methinks.
Yep, because Brighton were a complete disaster when he was there.
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Or not, on the basis that having similar names doesn't necessarily equate to being a similar person. Benito Carbone never invaded Abyssinia, for instance.
<applause>
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I'm just glad I don't live in a country where the government introduces a public sector pay freeze, as this would interfere with my constitutional rights to enjoy a decent standard of living.
Oh...
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I'm just glad I don't live in a country where the government introduces a public sector pay freeze, as this would interfere with my constitutional rights to enjoy a decent standard of living.
Oh...
Wtf has this got to do with Jordan Amavi?
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I'm beginning to wonder if his injury has had any effect on him keeping the ball in play when running with it as the only other reaso can be that he doesn't know what the purpose of the perimeter line is for.
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Chrisw1, please look earlier in this thread.
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I am always reading about, and watching, his inabilities as a defender...........who actually told us he was a Full Back, anyway? Maybe something got " lost in translation " way back all those managers ago.
Let's hope Taylor sticks to the brief. ( on the assumption he's actually given one, that is )
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It's not unusual for a player recovering from a serious injury to have a dip after what seemed a good run. It just seems that everyone these days is unwilling to cut anyone any slack. If a player doesn't hit the ground running then they are shit. And all this talk of £20m bids - Even if this were true we are to believe it was a Chinese bid and had we accepted I am sure Amavi would have said piss off. Who wants to play in China?
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I think that has to be his last game at Villa Park today. He may play v Fulham if Taylor isn't fit. I really thought at one point we had a player who could become something special. It isn't going to happen for us unfortunately or for anyone in truth.
I was in the Holte unusually early today and early enough to watch the squad take shots at the keeper in those portable goals. The last time I seen this I was the recipient of a wayward Kodja shot which hit me with some force on the thigh while my back was turned. It shuck me up. Taking into account I'm further up than half of the lower Holte it would to have to have been a shot delivered with some velocity to do that. No harm was done and actually it caused much amusement to Kodja and those around me. Today was different. Amavi was the deliverer of the wayward shot with greater velocity which landed full in the face of a bloke in his eighties. Glasses, hearing aids went all over the place. The poor bloke was stunned, everyone around very concerned. Amavi looked very concerned as he'd seen it too. Thankfully the bloke despite a steward and those nearest him wanting him to get medical assistance brushed it off and didn't want any fuss.
Maybe this incident had an affect on Amavi maybe it didn't. I can't think what else though could explain his utterly shocking performance. So bad that it was glaringly obvious that Reading sussed he was the weakness in the defence and at fault for their first two goals.
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I liked Amavi and really wanted to see him succeed with us however I have accepted that he is a one man incendiary device and needs to be isolated and transported to a safe place away from our club.
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I liked Amavi and really wanted to see him succeed with us however I have accepted that he is a one man incendiary device and needs to be isolated and transported to a safe place away from our club.
Bomb disposal is a much better policy than bomb squad.
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Had high hopes for him as he seemed to have plenty of potential when he first signed, but he's never lived up to expectations particularly since his injury. He's another mistake at the back waiting to happen that we can't afford to carry.
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Appalling, sell for a couple of mill if possible in the summer and move on.
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yes, get what we can asap a total failure.
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Sad the way it's going for him. Maybe Bruce needs to control what he does on the pitch. If it's good enough for Mourinho and Shaw it should be good enough for Plucky Villa.
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He doesn't have any clue about what position he ought to be taking up or any sense of what he should be doing at any given moment.
The lacksidsaical way he gave the ball away leading to their first goal was stupidity of the highest order.
I'm not sure how NASA coped yesterday with him and his MENSA colleague Bacuna playing for us.
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He is not a left back and Bacuna is neither. So need to give him some slack there. Would like to see him operating in front of Taylor or Baker who are relative naturals in that position.
I think at wing half with his pace and skill he may have a role as he does like to play football. The other option would be to see what is like wide on the right if Adomah fails to cut it. Another of Bruce's decisions he needs to make over the summer.
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Shoehorn him into the side then? When neither he nor Bacuna deserve a place? No ta. Both useless and remain part of the malaise that got us here in the first place.
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The one thing I would say in Amavi's defence is that we may not see the best of him until next season after the injury he had. Luke Shaw seems to have struggled since his injury as well. Unless we got a decent bid for him or he wanted to move on, I'd preserve with him. He was poor yesterday though and Taylor does look a lot more solid defensively.
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In Amavi's defence, he shouldn't be part of one. Before his injury, and after it, he's consistently shown he can't defend. So play him on the wing for the rest of the season and let's see his supposed crossing skills come to the fore. If they don't, sell.
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The one thing I would say in Amavi's defence is that we may not see the best of him until next season after the injury he had. Luke Shaw seems to have struggled since his injury as well. Unless we got a decent bid for him or he wanted to move on, I'd preserve with him. He was poor yesterday though and Taylor does look a lot more solid defensively.
I thought his injury was his knee, not his brain. He has no positional sense whatsoever, too casual & prone to fuck ups. Against any decent winger he struggles, it doesn't matter what level you play at, you'll get punished for basic mistakes.
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His 'touch' for their first goal yesterday had nothing to do with whether he was playing left back, left midfield, goalkeeper or striker.
It was just about him being lackadaisical and unfocused.
To me, he seems more suited to the 'fancy dan' world of the premier league than the real world of the championship.
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France is Amavi's natural environment. He was talked about as a really hot prospect, but no so hot that he can look remotely like a professional footballer in the Chumps League. Total gash. Gana engineering a move to Everton was a masterstroke of good fortune.
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Amavi doesn't look any good when he's played further forward either though, it's a waste of a position. We need a natural left sided attacker this summer.
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Sell him in the summer. He won't be missed.
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Amazing to think France under 21 team still call him up given the amazing young players they're producing currently.
I've long thought for a while he's the one player regularly in the team we could sell for good money and it wouldn't weaken us at all and he's showed little this season to disprove that.
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France is Amavi's natural environment. He was talked about as a really hot prospect, but no so hot that he can look remotely like a professional footballer in the Chumps League. Total gash. Gana engineering a move to Everton was a masterstroke of good fortune.
What was fortunate about it? He played well for us (no, really, he did - winning the ball back at an exceptional rate and being tidy on it with the occasional stray pass was what he did for us, and it's what he's getting plaudits for currently at Everton) and got a move based off those good performances, because as it turns out PL clubs are smart enough to separate the individual from the broader picture.
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we were the fortunate party. He wasn't that good for us in reality and we got back a reasonable fee from Everton - which is more than we are going to do with Amavi, for example.
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Having watched a fair few Everton games, I would say there's really been no discernible difference between his performances for them and his performances for us - he wins the ball, plays it short, occasionally gives it away in a dangerous position; yet if he went on the market now, he'd fetch 25-30 million.
That's not an amount we had the leverage to get last summer, but we still robbed ourselves blind by including that release clause for basically the ideal EPL defensive midfielder.
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Awful player. Sell him.
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He had a bad one yesterday, but I would keep him
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Never recovered from taking out an old bloke with a wayward shot in the warm up.
It was quite impressive as the bloke was sitting at least half way up the Lower Holte.
I thought at the time ‘at least thats his one bollox-up for the day’. How wrong I was.
(the bloke was ok, the stewards went over to him. Amavi went over a couple of times with a gestured apology)
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Didn't the Doc reject a £25mil bid for him in the summer? if so - that's a stupid decision.
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Didn't the Doc reject a £25mil bid for him in the summer? if so - that's a stupid decision.
The Doc said he'd rejected a £25m bid for him. There's a difference!
I am another who wanted Amavi to succeed. I saw his debut against Bournemouth at the start of last season and he was the best player on the pitch. He looked amazing. But since his injury he's looked a shadow of that player and its getting close to the point of him leaving being the best solution for both us and him.
Another one bites the dust.
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I saw his debut against Bournemouth at the start of last season and he was the best player on the pitch. He looked amazing. But since his injury he's looked a shadow of that player and its getting close to the point of him leaving being the best solution for both us and him.
Doesn't look the same player. Appears to be carrying a lot more weight than when he first came here.
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I saw his debut against Bournemouth at the start of last season and he was the best player on the pitch. He looked amazing. But since his injury he's looked a shadow of that player and its getting close to the point of him leaving being the best solution for both us and him.
Doesn't look the same player. Appears to be carrying a lot more weight than when he first came here.
Players coming here and then adding a few pounds seems to be a common theme....
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As does players looking decent when they first sign for us until we get them on the training pitch and coach whatever talent they previously had out of them.
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I saw his debut against Bournemouth at the start of last season and he was the best player on the pitch. He looked amazing. But since his injury he's looked a shadow of that player and its getting close to the point of him leaving being the best solution for both us and him.
Doesn't look the same player. Appears to be carrying a lot more weight than when he first came here.
Players coming here and then adding a few pounds seems to be a common theme....
Yes pounds on their waist and pounds in their pockets. Got skinned time and time again today, we definitely need an upgrade.
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Doesn't want to be a Villa player. Doesn't want a 25mil price on his head and he's doing a good job of getting out of the club and depreciating his value.
Disappointed with him because I thought he was a good player.
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The backwards clearance for a corner from 20 yards or so up the field was a new idea
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I'm disappointed in Frank for thinking Amavi was a good player
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He was a good player for Nice. They loved him so I am told.
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Doesn't want to be a Villa player. Doesn't want a 25mil price on his head and he's doing a good job of getting out of the club and depreciating his value.
Disappointed with him because I thought he was a good player.
He is talented but a diabolical professional from what I've seen over past two seasons. He went to ground needlessly in the second half at one stage when Fulham were breaking. Any professional worth their salt gets to their feet asap and sprints back. Not this gutless clown though, casual jog back at best while Fulham almost scored.
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We have plenty of joggers in the team.
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He is talented but a diabolical professional from what I've seen over past two seasons.
He is not playing very well at the moment but this is going way over the top.
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Does that Chinese club still want to buy him for £25m?
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Am I missing something about him. No way is he a left back. No way is he good enough or dedicated enough for the villa
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Nah he's just shite...along with far too many others masquerading as quality professional footballers at this club.
Bruce is tactically naive and inept, but the main problem is that we have so many poor players at the club now (including some players that Bruce is accountable for signing). We are shit because we have an abundance of shit players that take to the pitch every week, and this is a consequence of buying a bunch of average Championship quality players and trying to get them to play with players of an equal or even lower standard.
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For me he's another player who's shown flashes of the player he could become but piss poor management and sub-standard training. I think we need to get out of the habit of blaming the players so quickly, he was one of the most highly rated youngsters in France, his last couple of performances don't mean he's shit and should be replaced immediately. That 'throw it away' attitude is why we have a revolving door every summer.
Hogan, Grealish, Hourihane, Lansbury and Bjarnason are others who deserve the chance to be judged when we look like a team.
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I suspect Amavi is going to be another in the long list of players who generate the complaint "why couldn't he play like that for us?"
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I'm disappointed in Frank for thinking Amavi was a good player
There's a list of players I rated that have amounted to average at best. You wouldn't want me as a scout that's for sure.
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Nobody's blaming him quickly really are they. He's had two seasons with us and hasn't improved but gone backwards. When he first came he wasn't so bad, he made mistakes, was naive, looked good in parts but could only last 75 minutes. So we had a player with some potential who we had to get fitter for the less demanding Championship. He at least now lasts the 90 but still the same mistakes and more of them. Add some new ones too such as running the ball out of play and misjudging the flight of it. We shelled out a considerable sum for him so I understand why we might want to persevere and hope to get a return on the investment but in all honesty I think he is going to be no more than what we see now, a less than average player who consistently makes mistakes but will on occasion get a good cross in.
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For me he's another player who's shown flashes of the player he could become but piss poor management and sub-standard training. I think we need to get out of the habit of blaming the players so quickly, he was one of the most highly rated youngsters in France, his last couple of performances don't mean he's shit and should be replaced immediately. That 'throw it away' attitude is why we have a revolving door every summer.
Hogan, Grealish, Hourihane, Lansbury and Bjarnason are others who deserve the chance to be judged when we look like a team.
His problems seem to me to be about concentration and decision making. Whether that is innate or down to confidence it is hard to tell but at the moment he is showing more bad moments than good.
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For me he's another player who's shown flashes of the player he could become but piss poor management and sub-standard training. I think we need to get out of the habit of blaming the players so quickly, he was one of the most highly rated youngsters in France, his last couple of performances don't mean he's shit and should be replaced immediately. That 'throw it away' attitude is why we have a revolving door every summer.
Hogan, Grealish, Hourihane, Lansbury and Bjarnason are others who deserve the chance to be judged when we look like a team.
His problems seem to me to be about concentration and decision making. Whether that is innate or down to confidence it is hard to tell but at the moment he is showing more bad moments than good.
Way, way more bad moments than good at the moment, the lad is an absolute liability.
Still nowhere near as bad as Cissokho, mind.
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I don't think he's the right type of player for the 'style' of football we play. He's an attacking full back. If we played on the front foot more, we'd see more of what he's best at. But we soak up pressure and it puts a magnifying glass to his defensive frailties. And when we do have the ball, it's rushed and direct, which means we don't have it for very long/very often and again, every mistake is highlighted. Amavi would look better in a different team, I'm sure of it, but he'll continue to play poorly in this system.
Since Bruce took over, none of our better 'footballers' have performed well, and he's shifted most of them out or dropped them. They just take up space. The left back spot is the perfect example; a young, once exciting, player with potential but makes lots of mistakes is dropped for a solid, but unspectacular, experienced international. It's not necessarily a bad move, and we had two months where this worked. And I'm sure it will work again. It's just not exciting or inspiring. But I guess if you want that, you wouldn't hire Steve Bruce as your manager. My only worry is that, if we are planning on three separate teams for our unstoppable progress to the top, players like Jack and Amavi might be quite useful for stages 2 and 3, but we decreased their value and shipped them out at stage 1. It just seems a bit wasteful to me.
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For me he's another player who's shown flashes of the player he could become but piss poor management and sub-standard training. I think we need to get out of the habit of blaming the players so quickly, he was one of the most highly rated youngsters in France, his last couple of performances don't mean he's shit and should be replaced immediately. That 'throw it away' attitude is why we have a revolving door every summer.
Hogan, Grealish, Hourihane, Lansbury and Bjarnason are others who deserve the chance to be judged when we look like a team.
I get where you're coming from Paul, but the players need to take responsibility, as well. The likes of Hourihane and Lansbury should be the beating heart of the team. I thought that when we signed them we'd finally sorted the midfield problem that's been our biggest burden for years, but they're just as crap as everybody else. I think what you're saying is that we need to see them under yet another manager, and while I largely share your views on Bruce, I think we'd then be in for another 18 months of excuses. "Needs his own transfer window", "give him until Xmas next season" etc.
Grealish I've more or less given up on to be honest, the odd moment of skill leading to a great goal every 6 months is nowhere near enough. To use the tired old cliche, all fart, no shit.
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I don't think he's the right type of player for the 'style' of football we play. He's an attacking full back. If we played on the front foot more, we'd see more of what he's best at. But we soak up pressure and it puts a magnifying glass to his defensive frailties. And when we do have the ball, it's rushed and direct, which means we don't have it for very long/very often and again, every mistake is highlighted. Amavi would look better in a different team, I'm sure of it, but he'll continue to play poorly in this system.
Since Bruce took over, none of our better 'footballers' have performed well, and he's shifted most of them out or dropped them. They just take up space. The left back spot is the perfect example; a young, once exciting, player with potential but makes lots of mistakes is dropped for a solid, but unspectacular, experienced international. It's not necessarily a bad move, and we had two months where this worked. And I'm sure it will work again. It's just not exciting or inspiring. But I guess if you want that, you wouldn't hire Steve Bruce as your manager. My only worry is that, if we are planning on three separate teams for our unstoppable progress to the top, players like Jack and Amavi might be quite useful for stages 2 and 3, but we decreased their value and shipped them out at stage 1. It just seems a bit wasteful to me.
That is one of the most insightful analyses that I have read and articulates my thoughts with much more clarity than I would have done. Watching Amavi play it's clear there is a decent player in there - he does a lot of things well but it's the stupid mistakes, which are invariably punished, that put the microscope on his deficiencies. I completely agree that in a different system Amavi could be a very effective player, but playing the way that Bruce sets us up invariably puts too much strain on us at the defensive end of the pitch and thus magnifies the regular occasions when our players make (invariably "fatal") mistakes.
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I'm a little confused, did he not play for a period with Taylor behind him and still was not all that good?
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I'm a little confused, did he not play for a period with Taylor behind him and still was not all that good?
Yes he did and yes he was ineffective.
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Amavi would be perfect in Big Ron's team of 1992.
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There's a big gulf between attacking from left back and being an actual effective left winger though - I mean, I bet if you played someone like Leighton Baines further forward, he'd be regarded as a Championship-standard plodder at that position.
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I tend to stick up for players with talent because it is so rare in our club these days and Amavi like Grealish has talent.
It is up to the coaching staff to get the most out of this talent yet all i see is players comming to Villa and getting worse not better.
Until we change this scenario we will forever remain on the outside looking in.
If you don't believe me check out how many spurs players have come through the ranks or have been developed.
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What I've noticed lately from Amavi is he tends to come inside and use his right foot, often giving the ball away.
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Rumours Atletico Madrid have come in for him with a fee of circa £10m. If it's true I'd snap their hand off.
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Rumours Atletico Madrid have come in for him with a fee of circa £10m. If it's true I'd snap their hand off.
I guarantee if he ends up there he'll turn into one of Europes finest attacking left backs.
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I'd take £15m. That would be a significant increase on what we got. £10m means virtually no profit.
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Rumours Atletico Madrid have come in for him with a fee of circa £10m. If it's true I'd snap their hand off.
I wouldn't. I'd take £16 million plus incentive and sell on fees.
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I'd take £15m. That would be a significant increase on what we got. £10m means virtually no profit.
I like him as a player - have done since his debut against Bournemouth.
But how do we argue that he has developed sufficiently in his time with us to justify a 50% price hike?
It's not all on him, he's had the misfortune to operate under some truly deadbeat managers during his time with us.
Anything close to the price we paid will prob have to suffice as we embark on Sell to Buy 2.0. The last attempt served us so well.
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It's a free market. He's worth whatever someone's prepared to pay for him. If someone's prepared to pay £15m, no justification is needed.
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We don't need to justify a 50% price hike...the increased costs of players in the transfer market does that itself.
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We really should be holding out for a £25m offer from somewhere.
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I'd take £15m. That would be a significant increase on what we got. £10m means virtually no profit.
I like him as a player - have done since his debut against Bournemouth.
But how do we argue that he has developed sufficiently in his time with us to justify a 50% price hike?
We are wealthier than Nice and under less pressure to sell than they were (or at least that is the image we should be presenting).
The simple laws of supply and demand state that they have to pay more if we don't want to sell.
Plus, inflation, increased TV deals and the fact that Atletico will likely have lots of money in their pocket from selling Hernandez for €24 million.
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Rumours Atletico Madrid have come in for him with a fee of circa £10m. If it's true I'd snap their hand off.
I would as well and it would be a decent start. There is definitely a talent there, but I just don't see it being realised with us.
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£10m would be great business, he is not worth half that based on what we have seen of him. Useless defender and flatters to deceive going forwards.
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£10m would be crap business. One of Europe's richest clubs wander in and you want to take their first offer?
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Take as much as we can get and let him go and be crap for another team. Amavi's performances are not down to bad management, they're down to his abilities or distinct lack of them.
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It's a tough one because there's obviously a decent player in there but Taylor has come in and done really well too. I reckon we'd sell if a really good offer came in but I've got a feeling he's going to turn out to be a very good player for somebody.
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It's a tough one because there's obviously a decent player in there but Taylor has come in and done really well too. I reckon we'd sell if a really good offer came in but I've got a feeling he's going to turn out to be a very good player for somebody.
He's clearly got ability but he seems to lack concentration. I think he'll do well elsewhere but probably not in this country where the pace of it catches out players like him (ditto Sanchez).
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There's a talent in there but for me at the minute he plays like someone who is more interested in not getting hurt than anything.
10m would a very good deal, 15m would be Dick Turpin territory.
Athletico would be great as it will be done quickly, if he ends up going to France like Veretout they will be sagas that go on all summer
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Recouping £10 million or above is dreamland for this player. Get him gone.
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£10m would be crap business. One of Europe's richest clubs wander in and you want to take their first offer?
£10m for a reserve championship full back is crap business?
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£10m would be crap business. One of Europe's richest clubs wander in and you want to take their first offer?
£10m for a reserve championship full back is crap business?
Yes. If they've offered £10m, then it's telling the selling club that there's a higher bid to be squeezed out of them.
Ergo, accepting the first bid is crap business.
See also, selling your house.
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Not if that is the asking price.
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I like him and he has far more to offer than he has shown but I would take £10m for him with add-on clauses. If he becomes a £20-25m player we should share some of that increase in value. I think the £10m is more use to us right now.
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£10 million on top of the £2.5 million for Sanchez, plays some wages shifted would be a good start.
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I haven't seen the boy have a good game for us - I didn't see him at all pre injury though.
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Not if that is the asking price.
Dr Tony has already told the world he's turned down a 25m Euros bid. He's hardly going to set the asking price at half that a few weeks later.
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To me he's the obvious player we sell to ease the burden of FFP.
I thought he'd be a great player for us in this division but it just hasn't worked out. Taylor is better at LB imo, De Laet can cover back and cover that position so we are stocked in that area and he hasn't shown enough in left midfield either to think we have the next Bale on our hands.
Sell.
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I'd take £15m. That would be a significant increase on what we got. £10m means virtually no profit.
I wouldn't really worry about profit at this point, we just need to get players off our books and 10m would still be very useful for next season warchest.
Wyness spelt it out this week, we have 52 professionals on our books. O.K a fair few are youth teamers but it is simply too high and we must cull the squad this summer as we botched it up last year and had a mediocre season.
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if i get a bid for 25 million pounds for Amavi, I would cash in and allow SB to spend it, but he has to reduce first team by 8 players and add 3 players.
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25m?! I don't believe that was real but I'd sell for well under that. Which is a shame as I really thought he looked exciting originally
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His first few games I thought he was the pick of the whole intake. I don't think he is tough enough for the English game. That cuddle he had with Knockaert spoke volumes.
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I think he's like a lot of young players who get a nasty injury, it takes a year or 2 to get back to the level you were because you lose confidence in your safety. I still think there's a very good player in there though.
That said I think he's the most obvious choice of a player who we can get a good fee for that won't weaken us massively from last year so I think he's the obvious choice to let go. I do wonder if he's another we'll regret not sticking with though (like Cahill).
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He would shine brightly in a well organised side. Unfortunately that isn't us at the moment, see Gueye.
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I think he's like a lot of young players who get a nasty injury, it takes a year or 2 to get back to the level you were because you lose confidence in your safety. I still think there's a very good player in there though.
That said I think he's the most obvious choice of a player who we can get a good fee for that won't weaken us massively from last year so I think he's the obvious choice to let go. I do wonder if he's another we'll regret not sticking with though (like Cahill).
I agree completely. I think he's a player who we'll look back on and think we missed a great chance. However he can generate a good fee and if we get a good future sell on fee then needs must.
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£10m would be crap business. One of Europe's richest clubs wander in and you want to take their first offer?
£10m for a reserve championship full back is crap business?
Yes. If they've offered £10m, then it's telling the selling club that there's a higher bid to be squeezed out of them.
Ergo, accepting the first bid is crap business.
See also, selling your house.
No one's bid £10m for Amavi, nevermind £25m. If we supposedly need to pull up the drawbridge and are on a sell to buy regime as to not completely fuck up the ffp rules then do you really think we would turn down a £10m offer for a fullback who was shit last season, didn't play the season before because of a bad injury and isn't regarded as a first team player.
Come on now, think about it.
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We'll be lucky to get £10m for him. He showed potential when we first signed him but he's been consistently poor defensively and doesn't really contribute much going forward either. He'll find his level in Europe somewhere but he's simply not cut out for the Championship let alone Premier League. I can understand it if a player is asked to play out of position, but if a player doesn't or can't perform consistently and effectively in his natural position then you cant exactly blame the club and it's best to get rid if we can a return on his transfer fee.
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He doesn't seem as quick to me since his injury either. That was a big part of his game. He's too poor defensively. Not good enough to play as a winger. If we get 10 million we'll be laughing. I can't see that. I think a figure like that is a hangover from those ludicrous rumours of last summer when someone or other he'd have been one of the priciest left backs around.
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£10m would be crap business. One of Europe's richest clubs wander in and you want to take their first offer?
£10m for a reserve championship full back is crap business?
Yes. If they've offered £10m, then it's telling the selling club that there's a higher bid to be squeezed out of them.
Ergo, accepting the first bid is crap business.
See also, selling your house.
No one's bid £10m for Amavi, nevermind £25m. If we supposedly need to pull up the drawbridge and are on a sell to buy regime as to not completely fuck up the ffp rules then do you really think we would turn down a £10m offer for a fullback who was shit last season, didn't play the season before because of a bad injury and isn't regarded as a first team player.
Come on now, think about it.
You think about it. A club walks in and makes a first offer. When in the entire history of football did the selling club roll over and say yes? You go back and say, thanks for that offer, but we'd like a whole lot more. And then, a few weeks later, when there's an offer of £15m+ on the table, you say yes.
It's not rocket science.
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He doesn't seem as quick to me since his injury either. That was a big part of his game. He's too poor defensively. Not good enough to play as a winger. If we get 10 million we'll be laughing. I can't see that. I think a figure like that is a hangover from those ludicrous rumours of last summer when someone or other he'd have been one of the priciest left backs around.
This
25 million for a full back who cant defend and looked dodgy in the championship
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I hope he stays.
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£10m would be crap business. One of Europe's richest clubs wander in and you want to take their first offer?
£10m for a reserve championship full back is crap business?
Yes. If they've offered £10m, then it's telling the selling club that there's a higher bid to be squeezed out of them.
Ergo, accepting the first bid is crap business.
See also, selling your house.
No one's bid £10m for Amavi, nevermind £25m. If we supposedly need to pull up the drawbridge and are on a sell to buy regime as to not completely fuck up the ffp rules then do you really think we would turn down a £10m offer for a fullback who was shit last season, didn't play the season before because of a bad injury and isn't regarded as a first team player.
Come on now, think about it.
You think about it. A club walks in and makes a first offer. When in the entire history of football did the selling club roll over and say yes? You go back and say, thanks for that offer, but we'd like a whole lot more. And then, a few weeks later, when there's an offer of £15m+ on the table, you say yes.
It's not rocket science.
Or they realise the error of their ways, don't come in with an increased offer and we either end up with a player sitting on the bench, rather than £10m in the bank, or we sell him for less than £10m later in the Summer when there's less time to work out who to spend it on.
He's surplus to requirements and whilst I agree that there's potentially a player in there we don't have the luxury of being able to wait for him to come out.
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No one is going to bid £10m for Amavi. Come on, were sounding like deluded noses here and their fantasies about signing Maradonna etc etc
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There has been plentiful speculation that suggests otherwise. Are all the press deluded Noses?
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It's funny the amount of hand-wringing on here whenever Daniel Levy (and others like him) extracts extortionate fees from a club. And yet now we're supposed to take the first offer from Atletico, despite it being far lower than bids in the summer.
It's almost like people want to whinge whatever happens.
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No one is going to bid £10m for Amavi. Come on, were sounding like deluded noses here and their fantasies about signing Maradonna etc etc
People here were astounded that we got the fees we did for the likes of Sinclair, Westwood, and Gestede. Being able to see them week in week out is probably a mixed bag when it comes to one's ability to assess a player's ability as a fan.
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Amavi might get even better next season as we will have pre season to sort things out. Just a thought. We should be telling him to study 4 players - Phillip Lahm, Roberto Carlos, Stuart Pearce and Andrea Breheme. Perhaps Steve Staunton should be on coaching staff for short term contract.
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It's funny the amount of hand-wringing on here whenever Daniel Levy (and others like him) extracts extortionate fees from a club. And yet now we're supposed to take the first offer from Atletico, despite it being far lower than bids in the summer.
It's almost like people want to whinge whatever happens.
Indeed it does.
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despite it being far lower than bids in the summer.
Do you honestly believe that?!
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Amavi has had two pre-seasons at BH and struggled to hold down a regular place in the worst Villa sides in over 20 years. Luminaries like Richardson, Cissokho and Taylor have been selected ahead of him reasonably regularly by successive managers. That game at Fulham summed him up, plenty of ability but no heart and a feckless attitude.
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Amavi has had two pre-seasons at BH and struggled to hold down a regular place in the worst Villa sides in over 20 years. Luminaries like Richardson, Cissokho and Taylor have been selected ahead of him reasonably regularly by successive managers. That game at Fulham summed him up, plenty of ability but no heart and a feckless attitude.
He's also had what would've been a career threatening injury 20 years ago. The feckless attitude bit is totally unfair as well, it's an accusation that seems to get thrown at anyone who doesn't run through walls regardless of if there is any evidence they've ever shown any problems with their attitude.
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Bit harsh to say he couldn't hold down a place for 2 years when he was crocked early November in his first season. He was a big disappointment this season though.
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Bit harsh to say he couldn't hold down a place for 2 years when he was crocked early November in his first season. He was a big disappointment this season though.
I'm not sure it's even that simple.
He started the season looking like he'd missed 9-10months and was working his way back before getting up to speed and being one of our better players from around mid-October until the middle of January.I don't know if the talk of a rejected bid then got to him or if it was the links to Taylor (which started around the same time) or if it was just a fitness thing with him having spend the pre-season recovering rather than building his stamina but he nose-dived after that.
That up and down is why I'd still like to see him with us next year after a proper pre-season but, as above, I can accept that it's unlikely because he's one of the 'easy' options to sell and get big money back without leaving a big hole in the team.
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There has been plentiful speculation that suggests otherwise. Are all the press deluded Noses?
Yes, it's jackanory column filling bullshit. If it's not and Amavi commands a £10m price tag I'll put a tenner in to H and V.
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Griezmann practically admitted on French TV yesterday that he's off to Manure if they get Champs League football so with all that lolly Atleti will have we can throw in Micah with Jordan and call it a cool £50m.
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On the transfer list, according to the Meaning Evil:
Jordan Amavi looks set to leave Aston Villa this summer, after the defender confirmed he had been placed on the transfer list.
Amavi joined Villa in the summer of 2015 before their relegation from the Premier League.
He made 34 appearances last season, but following the claret and blues' failure to win promotion back to the top flight at the first attempt, wants a move to meet his ambitions.
Amavi told French daily the Nice-Matin: "We spoke with Aston Villa, I was upfront with them, the club were in return.
"If I have to leave, there will be no problem.
"I have ambitions. I want to play in Europe, for a club that play in all the competitions.
"I've been placed on the transfer list."
The 23-year-old, who cost Villa £9m from Nice, revealed that clubs have come forward to discuss potential moves - but no concrete offers have yet been made.
Amavi is ideally seeking a switch to a Premier League club, though he's open to the idea of moving abroad.
"There are clubs that have come to enquire and we've talked, even if there is nothing concrete yet," Amavi added.
"I love the Premier League, it is the league that I like enough, but I am open to other countries.
"If the sporting challenge is interesting, I will go ahead, I won't think twice."
Amavi has been linked with a host of clubs including Liverpool, Sampdoria, Marseille, Monaco, Atletico Madrid and former outfit Nice during his time at Villa.
In December, Villa were said to have turned down a £25m bid from an unnamed club from China.
No surprise, really.
I like him as a player, even if he did have a ropey second half to the season.
But if we did turn down an offer of £25 million in Jan, that's nuts. Particularly for an owner now so perturbed about FFP.
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I still think we can get 15m for him given there are clubs talking to him and his reputation when he joined.
Given how well Taylor has settled in at LB he's the most obvious player to sell for decent money without weakening our first team.
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Just get as much as we can.
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I think he will be a very good player with a couple of seasons regular football, but he is one of the only players we'll realistically get a good fee for and other areas of the team need more work.
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I think it might come down to negotiating a good sell-on and probably getting a deal highly dependent on number of appearances/international caps etc. He's still very much a hopeful punt for whoever comes in for him. He's talented but has definitely regressed since his injury and our demotion so it's hard to know what his potential is and if it can be realised.
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He's a defender that can't defend and wimps out of challenges way too easily. He makes Nicky Shorey look like a world-beater.
Get as much as we can for him, but ship him out pronto.
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He's a defender that can't defend and wimps out of challenges way too easily. He makes Nicky Shorey look like a world-beater.
Get as much as we can for him, but ship him out pronto.
Is the right answer
At a push we might get back the 9 million we paid
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Seems a likeable bloke but he's just not very good is he ?
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Seems a likeable bloke but he's just not very good is he ?
I thought he had bags of potential before his injury, yes bad error at Palace but he was lightening quick and set up 3 goals for Gestede in 6 weeks.
Injury has knocked him, probably lost half a yard, crossing isn't anything to write home about and he just looked average at championship level.
Sometimes you just have to weigh things up and make a business decision. We can't keep on spending 50m + every season in the championship after all.
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Shame, but as others have said not as good as we thought, he thinks. Problem we will have a lot of if we don't come up next season
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He makes the likes of Hutton look like Cafu and Neil Taylor like John Robson/Colin Gibson
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He came over here to play in the Premier League and he probably would have stayed had we got straight back up. Can't say I blame him too much really.
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I wish him well and expect him to do well wherever he goes.
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Ship out pronto for as much as possible - he might be a decent player but at the moment he is scared to tackle so absolutely no use. Might be that he was shirking challenges as he didn't want to jeopardise a move this summer but he clearly has no interest in playing for us.
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Apart from the cross for JustHead's goal at Bournemouth and his run against Wolves, there's nothing much about his time at Villa that I'll remember
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Awful player.
I hope we did not turn down >£20m for him last season as I will be shocked if we get back what we paid for him this summer.
Gestede, Vertout, Amavi, Traore, and Ayew - have we ever wasted so much money on such underwhelming players in one summer before? Lets hope we shift the remaining ones out this summer.
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Utterly underwhelming player.
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Awful player.
I hope we did not turn down >£20m for him last season as I will be shocked if we get back what we paid for him this summer.
Gestede, Vertout, Amavi, Traore, and Ayew - have we ever wasted so much money on such underwhelming players in one summer before? Lets hope we shift the remaining ones out this summer.
Tshibola, Elphick, McCormack, Gollini last summer ran it pretty close.
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I wish him well and expect him to do well wherever he goes.
Seems a sensible view.
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Apart from the cross for JustHead's goal at Bournemouth and his run against Wolves, there's nothing much about his time at Villa that I'll remember
I don't think he actually set up Rudy's debut goal, pretty sure that was a Veretout corner.
I believe before his injury his three assists were crosses for Sinclair to tap in v Sunderland and Gestede goals at Liverpool and SHA.
Since he's come back he's been very underwhelming.
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I think it was a Westwood corner.
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I think it was a Westwood corner.
Even a stoped clock etc.
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A guy that has all the attributes of a Premier League player.
The tattoos
The hair
The swagger
The hype
Unfortunately, he's just not a very good full back in our division.
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very, very disappointing.
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not good enough for us, but good enough for the Fance U21 squad alongside the likes of the Dembeles, Lemar etc.......!!
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Says it all really that when one of your players puts in a transfer request and it's met with shrugs of the shoulders rather than an outburst of anger and rancour.
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Reading that though not sure he's put in a transfer request as such?
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Apart from the cross for JustHead's goal at Bournemouth and his run against Wolves, there's nothing much about his time at Villa that I'll remember
I don't think he actually set up Rudy's debut goal, pretty sure that was a Veretout corner.
I believe before his injury his three assists were crosses for Sinclair to tap in v Sunderland and Gestede goals at Liverpool and SHA.
Since he's come back he's been very underwhelming.
You're probably right. So, now we're down to that run against Wolves
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He is gash. Started with promise and then dramatically disappointed.
Cheerio Jordan.
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The only thing that i'll remember about him when he's gone apart from the crucial mistake per game is his daft hair style.
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Says it all really that when one of your players puts in a transfer request and it's met with shrugs of the shoulders rather than an outburst of anger and rancour.
That's because he has been a major disappointment.
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Says it all really that when one of your players puts in a transfer request and it's met with shrugs of the shoulders rather than an outburst of anger and rancour.
That's because he has been a major disappointment.
That's what peter is intimating.
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Jordan?
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Jordan?
Need pics.
Sorry, read it as 'imitating'.
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I stand by my view that in three years time, provided he gets no more horrible injuries, he'll be an excellent left back. I hope get a good fee and a healthy percentage of future sale.
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I stand by my view that in three years time, provided he gets no more horrible injuries, he'll be an excellent left back. I hope get a good fee and a healthy percentage of future sale.
I agree, last season was always a tough one after such a nasty injury, it's really not unusual for players in this situation to have 6-12 months where they're up and down. Even accounting for that I think a lot of people are letting his drop off in form from mid-December mask that he'd been one of our best players for the season until that point.
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I didn't think a whole lot of Gueye, in all honesty. But at a more settled club he has come on leaps and bounds.
Amavi has shown his quality for us in the past and I'd expect even more from him. A move is probably best for all concerned, but yes, hopefully we'll play smart for a change and include a sell on fee.
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Won't lose any sleep thought he was terrible last year
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I wasn't sure if I was imagining it or not so I went back to check some posts from November/December. He was getting rave reviews back then "He's only going to get better and better", "if we continue this form maybe he'll consider staying" etc. I really think he's a decent player, but absolutely not suited to how we've been playing under Bruce. In a team that keeps the ball more, with some movement on and off the ball, I'm sure he'd look a darn site better than a team that soaks up pressure and plays on the break (I think that's been our plan).
Whatever the reason though, it doesn't look like he'll fit in here so it's best we sell him for as much as we can get, with a sell on fee. I'm sure he'll do well elsewhere, and comes across like a decent bloke that cares about the club. Good luck to him.
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I wasn't sure if I was imagining it or not so I went back to check some posts...
You obviously missed my posts then!
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Aston Villa FCVerified account @AVFCOfficial 16m
Breaking news: #AVFC and @SevillaFC agree the transfer of @JordanAmavi, subject to medical testing...
Good luck for the future, Jordan.
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Good luck Jordan and hope we have a big sell on fee
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Utterly mediocre. No loss.
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I think there's a decent player there. The injury definatley set him back but good luck to him.
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Hopefully get decent enough money.
Poor player I'm afraid. Will have forgot he played for us in three years.
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Reported to be £8m plus add ons. A bit short of our glorious leaders expectations in December.
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Looked poor last season but will undoubtedly go on to be a better player once playing with a top side.
I'll miss his hair styles more than his football.
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I think there's a decent player there. The injury definatley set him back but good luck to him.
I'd agree with that.
Look at this way how many champions league standard clubs come in for mid table championship squad players. It's clear from his time at Nice his reputation is still high abroad.
Sevilla's a great move for him as they've revitalized many players. N'zonzi was seen as a limited player at Stoke, he's now one of the best DMs in european football.
Makes sense to put in a sell on clause.
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Yep, he can definately be a top player. If I recall it took Delph a long time to build himself back up after his injury, he looked out of his depth in the premier league for 12-18 months after coming back but eventually got in the England team and went to a top 4 side. I definitely think Amavi has the ability to play in the champions league if he can get back to his best, although maybe more as a wing back than full back. Good luck to him anyway.
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I liked him, but thought he needed more time after his terrible injury, to get back to his full level.
Good luck to the chap. 8 million is a bargain when you see some of the fees being bandied about these days.
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Great move for him. I am sad he is going. Feels like we had our pocket picked a bit here.
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Can someone tweet Tone on the sell-on hopes?
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Definitely.
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Good luck to him. He'll develop into a first team regular at Sevilla, one of the best teams in Europe. He never chucked his toys out of the pram and tried to force a move so I wish him no ill will.
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Utterly mediocre. No loss.
Completely wrong, imo. But it would be better if you turn out to be right I suppose.
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Pointless signing. Why bother signing young, talented players if we haven't a clue how to develop them?
Good luck to him. He's still a lot to learn having wasted the last few years.
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Can't defend, can't tackle, no positional awareness, one decent cross, doesn't ever look scoring.
Cheers Jordan, good luck.
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Always sucks to see players leave that are capable of turning around a poor season and no outbound news on the leeches that are still here leeching the club dry. ???
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Reported to be £8m plus add ons. A bit short of our glorious leaders expectations in December.
Doing well to be getting 8m for him given his performances for us
Certainly has talent and can deliver a crscking ball at times but we wont miss him trying to take on an attacker inside his own half nor his diabolical attitude when things went against him and the team on the pitch
His performance at Fulham last season was a benchmark in unprofessionalism
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Good luck to him. He'll develop into a first team regular at Sevilla, one of the best teams in Europe. He never chucked his toys out of the pram and tried to force a move so I wish him no ill will.
Agree 100%.
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He had obvious talent but he was going nowhere with us, a good deal for all.
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Talented but struggled in this league after coming back from injury. Will probably do ok elsewhere.
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Good luck to him, time will tell if it's a good move for him or us.
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Delighted to see the back of Amarvi, and even more delighted we got well over the odds for him. Terrible player that will not get better.
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Think he'll make those select posts on here deriding his ability in a blanket manner look very silly, as was the case with Gana.
That being said, it was pretty clear that him moving on would be the best for both sides.
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Delighted to see the back of Amarvi, and even more delighted we got well over the odds for him. Terrible player that will not get better.
Correct.
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Basically anyone who played for us in car crash season 2015-16 leaving is no great loss.
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Delighted to see the back of Amarvi, and even more delighted we got well over the odds for him. Terrible player that will not get better.
With decent coaching (and personal commitment), he will do well over the course of his career.
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Good move for both parties right now, Spanish league will probably suit him.
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Basically anyone who played for us in car crash season 2015-16 leaving is no great loss.
Wasn't he seriously injured for most of that season , and decided to stay after we were relegated (without him) because he appreciated the way the club and fans had supported him through a difficult time?
I wish him well.
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Crap player, Kerrrrching.
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Whenever I saw him he always made at least one massive mistake, nice hair but terrible defender. I don't for one moment believe any club offered £25 million for him.
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Not a full-back and not a winger. Good luck to the lad but I didn't see anything in him, either before or after his injury, that would make this a bad move for us.
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Whenever I saw him he always made at least one massive mistake, nice hair but terrible defender. I don't for one moment believe any club offered £25 million for him.
This
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He had lovely hair.
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He's so rubbish it's only smallfry like Sevilla who are desperate enough to take him off our hands.
Wouldn't surprise me if within 2/3 years Amavi, Gueye and Veretout are all playing Champions League football. Would surprise me if we're saying the same about Neil Taylor, Glen Whelan and Elmohamady.
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Sad to see him leave but buying good players mean nothing if he doesn't fit or playing in wrong system or the management doesn't believe in him. Good Luck Jordan. When we sold Veretout we had no French players in our team apart from Ally.
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He's so rubbish it's only smallfry like Sevilla who are desperate enough to take him off our hands.
Wouldn't surprise me if within 2/3 years Amavi, Gueye and Veretout are all playing Champions League football. Would surprise me if we're saying the same about Neil Taylor, Glen Whelan and Elmohamady.
Doesnt disguise the fact that all three were rubbish for us, mitigating circumstances notwithstanding.
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He's so rubbish it's only smallfry like Sevilla who are desperate enough to take him off our hands.
Wouldn't surprise me if within 2/3 years Amavi, Gueye and Veretout are all playing Champions League football. Would surprise me if we're saying the same about Neil Taylor, Glen Whelan and Elmohamady.
Doesnt disguise the fact that all three were rubbish for us, mitigating circumstances notwithstanding.
It shouldn't disguise the fact either that everything about the club was rubbish too. That all three will very likely go on to better things suggests a massive wasted opportunity on our part.
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He's so rubbish it's only smallfry like Sevilla who are desperate enough to take him off our hands.
Wouldn't surprise me if within 2/3 years Amavi, Gueye and Veretout are all playing Champions League football. Would surprise me if we're saying the same about Neil Taylor, Glen Whelan and Elmohamady.
Doesnt disguise the fact that all three were rubbish for us, mitigating circumstances notwithstanding.
It shouldn't disguise the fact either that everything about the club was rubbish too. That all three will very likely go on to better things suggests a massive wasted opportunity on our part.
Yup.
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He's so rubbish it's only smallfry like Sevilla who are desperate enough to take him off our hands.
Wouldn't surprise me if within 2/3 years Amavi, Gueye and Veretout are all playing Champions League football. Would surprise me if we're saying the same about Neil Taylor, Glen Whelan and Elmohamady.
That's great, but it's what happens this season in the Championship that is more of a concern to us really.
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There's a good player in there, that's for sure.
Although, I remember after Reading at home thinking we'd be lucky to get £10 for the bloke, he was that shocking.
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He's so rubbish it's only smallfry like Sevilla who are desperate enough to take him off our hands.
Wouldn't surprise me if within 2/3 years Amavi, Gueye and Veretout are all playing Champions League football. Would surprise me if we're saying the same about Neil Taylor, Glen Whelan and Elmohamady.
That's great, but it's what happens this season in the Championship that is more of a concern to us really.
Downgrading the playing staff and hoping to do better isn't the way to go really.
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He's so rubbish it's only smallfry like Sevilla who are desperate enough to take him off our hands.
Wouldn't surprise me if within 2/3 years Amavi, Gueye and Veretout are all playing Champions League football. Would surprise me if we're saying the same about Neil Taylor, Glen Whelan and Elmohamady.
That's great, but it's what happens this season in the Championship that is more of a concern to us really.
Downgrading the playing staff and hoping to do better isn't the way to go really.
It would greatly surprise me if those 3 were playing champions league football as they are all massively average at best. They were when we signed them (hence they chose to come to a struggling Villa) and did nothing to prove otherwise when here. Frankly I find it odd that others seem to rue their departure given how ineffectual (at very best) they were during their stay here.
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He's so rubbish it's only smallfry like Sevilla who are desperate enough to take him off our hands.
Wouldn't surprise me if within 2/3 years Amavi, Gueye and Veretout are all playing Champions League football. Would surprise me if we're saying the same about Neil Taylor, Glen Whelan and Elmohamady.
That's great, but it's what happens this season in the Championship that is more of a concern to us really.
It is but it shouldn't be but for some reason we've become so inured to short-termism that anyone who looks like they need a year of coaching is 'fucking shit'.
Amavi can be a very good player if he finds a manager willing to actually offer some coaching and tactics. Gana has already shown that he is good in a decent, well managed, team and I suspect Veretout will prove the same. This is why I was against Bruce, he wants to sign players who are 'finished articles' so he can get away with doing very little on the training ground, it might work but it's all very mon-like and it appears we haven't learned a fucking thing from the mess he made.
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Sevilla are in the CL so Amavi will be playing in it soon.
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Didn't Gana play in it for Lille?
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He's so rubbish it's only smallfry like Sevilla who are desperate enough to take him off our hands.
Wouldn't surprise me if within 2/3 years Amavi, Gueye and Veretout are all playing Champions League football. Would surprise me if we're saying the same about Neil Taylor, Glen Whelan and Elmohamady.
That's great, but it's what happens this season in the Championship that is more of a concern to us really.
Downgrading the playing staff and hoping to do better isn't the way to go really.
Downgrading?
I'm not sure I've seen anything of Amavi that would indicate he's half as good as the excellent Taylor.
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Sevilla are in the CL so Amavi will be playing in it soon.
If he gets in the side he might
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He's so rubbish it's only smallfry like Sevilla who are desperate enough to take him off our hands.
Wouldn't surprise me if within 2/3 years Amavi, Gueye and Veretout are all playing Champions League football. Would surprise me if we're saying the same about Neil Taylor, Glen Whelan and Elmohamady.
That's great, but it's what happens this season in the Championship that is more of a concern to us really.
Downgrading the playing staff and hoping to do better isn't the way to go really.
Downgrading?
I'm not sure I've seen anything of Amavi that would indicate he's half as good as the excellent Taylor.
Absolutely, hence Taylor moving to one of the most successful clubs in Europe over the last few seasons for £8m so he can play in the Champions League next season.
Actually hang on...
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Sevilla are in the CL so Amavi will be playing in it soon.
Are they though?
Don't they have a qualifying round first.
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He's so rubbish it's only smallfry like Sevilla who are desperate enough to take him off our hands.
Wouldn't surprise me if within 2/3 years Amavi, Gueye and Veretout are all playing Champions League football. Would surprise me if we're saying the same about Neil Taylor, Glen Whelan and Elmohamady.
That's great, but it's what happens this season in the Championship that is more of a concern to us really.
Downgrading the playing staff and hoping to do better isn't the way to go really.
Downgrading?
I'm not sure I've seen anything of Amavi that would indicate he's half as good as the excellent Taylor.
Absolutely, hence Taylor moving to one of the most successful clubs in Europe over the last few seasons for £8m so he can play in the Champions League next season.
Actually hang on...
Amavi moving to us in our absolute (modern day) nadir somewhat negates that argument doesn't it? Its' all about opinions of course, but for me he was massively shit in most games in saw him in.
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Horses for courses for me. Team to get you up, team to keep you up, team to challenge. SGT played a blinder in that respect.
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Thought he was desperately poor last season & didn't show anything that suggested he was improving after his injury troubles.
Think Dr Tony's biggest mistake since he took over was mentioning 'that' offer whether it was true or not - he absolutely hadn't grasped that football fans will cling to that info & judge the player by it. For what it's worth I don't think there would have been a scenario in Jan that any offer of 10m+ would have been rejected.
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He's so rubbish it's only smallfry like Sevilla who are desperate enough to take him off our hands.
Wouldn't surprise me if within 2/3 years Amavi, Gueye and Veretout are all playing Champions League football. Would surprise me if we're saying the same about Neil Taylor, Glen Whelan and Elmohamady.
That's great, but it's what happens this season in the Championship that is more of a concern to us really.
Downgrading the playing staff and hoping to do better isn't the way to go really.
Taylor performed far better at left back than Amavi last season and I know which one of the two I would prefer there this coming one. I wish Amavi well, but I don't think it was ever really going to work out for him here.
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He's so rubbish it's only smallfry like Sevilla who are desperate enough to take him off our hands.
Wouldn't surprise me if within 2/3 years Amavi, Gueye and Veretout are all playing Champions League football. Would surprise me if we're saying the same about Neil Taylor, Glen Whelan and Elmohamady.
That's great, but it's what happens this season in the Championship that is more of a concern to us really.
It is but it shouldn't be but for some reason we've become so inured to short-termism that anyone who looks like they need a year of coaching is 'fucking shit'.
Amavi can be a very good player if he finds a manager willing to actually offer some coaching and tactics. Gana has already shown that he is good in a decent, well managed, team and I suspect Veretout will prove the same. This is why I was against Bruce, he wants to sign players who are 'finished articles' so he can get away with doing very little on the training ground, it might work but it's all very mon-like and it appears we haven't learned a fucking thing from the mess he made.
Getting out of this division is the be-all and end-all this season though Paul. We can't afford to have a few seasons where we allow players to bed in.
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Sevilla are in the CL so Amavi will be playing in it soon.
Are they though?
Don't they have a qualifying round first.
Yes. To both. Even if it is a qualifier, Sevilla are in the competition.
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Everything about him intimated a world class player, apart from his actual ability. Bye.
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He's so rubbish it's only smallfry like Sevilla who are desperate enough to take him off our hands.
Wouldn't surprise me if within 2/3 years Amavi, Gueye and Veretout are all playing Champions League football. Would surprise me if we're saying the same about Neil Taylor, Glen Whelan and Elmohamady.
That's great, but it's what happens this season in the Championship that is more of a concern to us really.
Downgrading the playing staff and hoping to do better isn't the way to go really.
Downgrading?
I'm not sure I've seen anything of Amavi that would indicate he's half as good as the excellent Taylor.
Absolutely, hence Taylor moving to one of the most successful clubs in Europe over the last few seasons for £8m so he can play in the Champions League next season.
Actually hang on...
Amavi might have potential, we've not seen It, certainly not defensively. Hes nowhere near as good as Taylor, who many were wrong about.
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He's so rubbish it's only smallfry like Sevilla who are desperate enough to take him off our hands.
Wouldn't surprise me if within 2/3 years Amavi, Gueye and Veretout are all playing Champions League football. Would surprise me if we're saying the same about Neil Taylor, Glen Whelan and Elmohamady.
That's great, but it's what happens this season in the Championship that is more of a concern to us really.
It is but it shouldn't be but for some reason we've become so inured to short-termism that anyone who looks like they need a year of coaching is 'fucking shit'.
Amavi can be a very good player if he finds a manager willing to actually offer some coaching and tactics. Gana has already shown that he is good in a decent, well managed, team and I suspect Veretout will prove the same. This is why I was against Bruce, he wants to sign players who are 'finished articles' so he can get away with doing very little on the training ground, it might work but it's all very mon-like and it appears we haven't learned a fucking thing from the mess he made.
Getting out of this division is the be-all and end-all this season though Paul. We can't afford to have a few seasons where we allow players to bed in.
That was the excuse for short term thinking last season as well and then if we get promoted it'll be "staying up is the most important thing" and we'll muddle along exactly as we were before relegation.
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He's so rubbish it's only smallfry like Sevilla who are desperate enough to take him off our hands.
Wouldn't surprise me if within 2/3 years Amavi, Gueye and Veretout are all playing Champions League football. Would surprise me if we're saying the same about Neil Taylor, Glen Whelan and Elmohamady.
That's great, but it's what happens this season in the Championship that is more of a concern to us really.
It is but it shouldn't be but for some reason we've become so inured to short-termism that anyone who looks like they need a year of coaching is 'fucking shit'.
Amavi can be a very good player if he finds a manager willing to actually offer some coaching and tactics. Gana has already shown that he is good in a decent, well managed, team and I suspect Veretout will prove the same. This is why I was against Bruce, he wants to sign players who are 'finished articles' so he can get away with doing very little on the training ground, it might work but it's all very mon-like and it appears we haven't learned a fucking thing from the mess he made.
Getting out of this division is the be-all and end-all this season though Paul. We can't afford to have a few seasons where we allow players to bed in.
That was the excuse for short term thinking last season as well and then if we get promoted it'll be "staying up is the most important thing" and we'll muddle along exactly as we were before relegation.
I think we can worry about how we do in the Premier League when we get there Paul.
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He's so rubbish it's only smallfry like Sevilla who are desperate enough to take him off our hands.
Wouldn't surprise me if within 2/3 years Amavi, Gueye and Veretout are all playing Champions League football. Would surprise me if we're saying the same about Neil Taylor, Glen Whelan and Elmohamady.
That's great, but it's what happens this season in the Championship that is more of a concern to us really.
It is but it shouldn't be but for some reason we've become so inured to short-termism that anyone who looks like they need a year of coaching is 'fucking shit'.
Amavi can be a very good player if he finds a manager willing to actually offer some coaching and tactics. Gana has already shown that he is good in a decent, well managed, team and I suspect Veretout will prove the same. This is why I was against Bruce, he wants to sign players who are 'finished articles' so he can get away with doing very little on the training ground, it might work but it's all very mon-like and it appears we haven't learned a fucking thing from the mess he made.
Getting out of this division is the be-all and end-all this season though Paul. We can't afford to have a few seasons where we allow players to bed in.
That was the excuse for short term thinking last season as well and then if we get promoted it'll be "staying up is the most important thing" and we'll muddle along exactly as we were before relegation.
I think we can worry about how we do in the Premier League when we get there Paul.
You're doing a great job of proving my point
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He's so rubbish it's only smallfry like Sevilla who are desperate enough to take him off our hands.
Wouldn't surprise me if within 2/3 years Amavi, Gueye and Veretout are all playing Champions League football. Would surprise me if we're saying the same about Neil Taylor, Glen Whelan and Elmohamady.
That's great, but it's what happens this season in the Championship that is more of a concern to us really.
It is but it shouldn't be but for some reason we've become so inured to short-termism that anyone who looks like they need a year of coaching is 'fucking shit'.
Amavi can be a very good player if he finds a manager willing to actually offer some coaching and tactics. Gana has already shown that he is good in a decent, well managed, team and I suspect Veretout will prove the same. This is why I was against Bruce, he wants to sign players who are 'finished articles' so he can get away with doing very little on the training ground, it might work but it's all very mon-like and it appears we haven't learned a fucking thing from the mess he made.
Getting out of this division is the be-all and end-all this season though Paul. We can't afford to have a few seasons where we allow players to bed in.
That was the excuse for short term thinking last season as well and then if we get promoted it'll be "staying up is the most important thing" and we'll muddle along exactly as we were before relegation.
I think we can worry about how we do in the Premier League when we get there Paul.
You're doing a great job of proving my point
Your point isn't a valid one though. You're suggesting that we run the risk of lingering in the Championship while we wait for the likes of Amavi and Veretout to improve enough to get us out of it.
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Amavi has talent and could become a good player, problem is that it's mainly based on his potential. Of 2 years ago. In an ideal world we'd stick with him but when you're stuck in Division 2 with FFP issues you don't always have that luxury. We also don't know if said he was unhappy and wanted to move, not saying that happened, but that potentially forces your hand as well.
And that Sevilla are signing him and he'll probably play in the CL doesn't automatically mean he's a good player. CL sides buys loads of players over the years that never amount to much. The Djemba twins at Man Utd is an obvious example.
I said in the transfer thread, if Amavi had spent 2 years at say Norwich, and had an identical injury and performances for them, how many would want us spending £8m on him?
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Amavi has talent and could become a good player, problem is that it's mainly based on his potential. Of 2 years ago. In an ideal world we'd stick with him but when you're stuck in Division 2 with FFP issues you don't always have that luxury. We also don't know if said he was unhappy and wanted to move, not saying that happened, but that potentially forces your hand as well.
And that Sevilla are signing him and he'll probably play in the CL doesn't automatically mean he's a good player. CL sides buys loads of players over the years that never amount to much. The Djemba twins at Man Utd is an obvious example.
I said in the transfer thread, if Amavi had spent 2 years at say Norwich, and had an identical injury and performances for them, how many would want us spending £8m on him?
I am with PWS. If he stays he stays and I wish him all the best. If he goes he goes and I wish him all the best. But either way I will not be crying myself to sleep at night.
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Amavi has talent and could become a good player, problem is that it's mainly based on his potential. Of 2 years ago. In an ideal world we'd stick with him but when you're stuck in Division 2 with FFP issues you don't always have that luxury. We also don't know if said he was unhappy and wanted to move, not saying that happened, but that potentially forces your hand as well.
And that Sevilla are signing him and he'll probably play in the CL doesn't automatically mean he's a good player. CL sides buys loads of players over the years that never amount to much. The Djemba twins at Man Utd is an obvious example.
I said in the transfer thread, if Amavi had spent 2 years at say Norwich, and had an identical injury and performances for them, how many would want us spending £8m on him?
Agree with that PWS and on the face of it, he's probably one of the few sellable assets we have at the club forcing our hand even further. It didn't work out for him with us, but I wish him well and it will be interesting to see how he gets on in Spain.
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He's so rubbish it's only smallfry like Sevilla who are desperate enough to take him off our hands.
Wouldn't surprise me if within 2/3 years Amavi, Gueye and Veretout are all playing Champions League football. Would surprise me if we're saying the same about Neil Taylor, Glen Whelan and Elmohamady.
That's great, but it's what happens this season in the Championship that is more of a concern to us really.
Downgrading the playing staff and hoping to do better isn't the way to go really.
Downgrading?
I'm not sure I've seen anything of Amavi that would indicate he's half as good as the excellent Taylor.
Absolutely, hence Taylor moving to one of the most successful clubs in Europe over the last few seasons for £8m so he can play in the Champions League next season.
Actually hang on...
Amavi might have potential, we've not seen It, certainly not defensively. Hes nowhere near as good as Taylor, who many were wrong about.
Taylor is, in his prime, a fairly competent Championship defender who nobody better than us wanted to buy. Which is why we're the team that bought him. He'll carry on being fine for somewhere between the 15th and 35th best team in the country for another five years or so.
Amavi is a young player who has had a couple of the most important years of his development buggered by a couple of unfortunate factors, who has still shown enough in the couple of years that he's played, that one of the most successful teams in Europe of the last few years want to spend £8m on him.
Which is still fine, good luck to all three parties - there clearly isn't going to be a place for him in our Glenn Whelan / Alan Hutton / Meat / Potatoes Dream Team, so we may as well have the cash rather than bothering to try and make a young player better.
We don't really seem to have the tools to try to coach young players, so we're probably better off letting them go somewhere to get better, and we'll just buy Premier League reserves.
It's basically all Amavi's fault. Or Grealish's fault. Or Gueye's fault. Or Veretout's fault. Or Gil's fault. Or Gollini's fault. Or Tshibola's fault. Or the fault of anybody, as long as we don't have to think about the club having to take any responsibility to the development of a 21 year old player. They turned up as a 21 year old to a shit team with shit coaches, it's basically their own problem that they weren't brilliant.
Still, there's probably a 32 year old in Huddersfield's reserves they don't need now they've been promoted. Much easier that way.
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He's so rubbish it's only smallfry like Sevilla who are desperate enough to take him off our hands.
Wouldn't surprise me if within 2/3 years Amavi, Gueye and Veretout are all playing Champions League football. Would surprise me if we're saying the same about Neil Taylor, Glen Whelan and Elmohamady.
That's great, but it's what happens this season in the Championship that is more of a concern to us really.
Downgrading the playing staff and hoping to do better isn't the way to go really.
Downgrading?
I'm not sure I've seen anything of Amavi that would indicate he's half as good as the excellent Taylor.
Absolutely, hence Taylor moving to one of the most successful clubs in Europe over the last few seasons for £8m so he can play in the Champions League next season.
Actually hang on...
Amavi might have potential, we've not seen It, certainly not defensively. Hes nowhere near as good as Taylor, who many were wrong about.
Taylor is, in his prime, a fairly competent Championship defender who nobody better than us wanted to buy. Which is why we're the team that bought him. He'll carry on being fine for somewhere between the 15th and 35th best team in the country for another five years or so.
Amavi is a young player who has had a couple of the most important years of his development buggered by a couple of unfortunate factors, who has still shown enough in the couple of years that he's played, that one of the most successful teams in Europe of the last few years want to spend £8m on him.
Which is still fine, good luck to all three parties - there clearly isn't going to be a place for him in our Glenn Whelan / Alan Hutton / Meat / Potatoes Dream Team, so we may as well have the cash rather than bothering to try and make a young player better.
We don't really seem to have the tools to try to coach young players, so we're probably better off letting them go somewhere to get better, and we'll just buy Premier League reserves.
It's basically all Amavi's fault. Or Grealish's fault. Or Gueye's fault. Or Veretout's fault. Or Gil's fault. Or Gollini's fault. Or Tshibola's fault. Or the fault of anybody, as long as we don't have to think about the club having to take any responsibility to the development of a 21 year old player. They turned up as a 21 year old to a shit team with shit coaches, it's basically their own problem that they weren't brilliant.
Still, there's probably a 32 year old in Huddersfield's reserves they don't need now they've been promoted. Much easier that way.
You still really don't like Neil Taylor do you Dave? You seem to forget that he also had a serious injury which occurred during the prime years of his career when he was doing well in the top flight and the international stage.
Some of the names you mentioned have hardly helped themselves with their attitude at times have they?
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I do think there seems something fundamentally wrong with how we're coaching players, and it feels like it's been like that years. Think of the dozens of players we've signed or had come up from the youth team over say the last 6 years, there's not many that seem to have improved from being with our first team.
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He's so rubbish it's only smallfry like Sevilla who are desperate enough to take him off our hands.
Wouldn't surprise me if within 2/3 years Amavi, Gueye and Veretout are all playing Champions League football. Would surprise me if we're saying the same about Neil Taylor, Glen Whelan and Elmohamady.
That's great, but it's what happens this season in the Championship that is more of a concern to us really.
Downgrading the playing staff and hoping to do better isn't the way to go really.
Downgrading?
I'm not sure I've seen anything of Amavi that would indicate he's half as good as the excellent Taylor.
Absolutely, hence Taylor moving to one of the most successful clubs in Europe over the last few seasons for £8m so he can play in the Champions League next season.
Actually hang on...
Amavi might have potential, we've not seen It, certainly not defensively. Hes nowhere near as good as Taylor, who many were wrong about.
Taylor is, in his prime, a fairly competent Championship defender who nobody better than us wanted to buy. Which is why we're the team that bought him. He'll carry on being fine for somewhere between the 15th and 35th best team in the country for another five years or so.
Amavi is a young player who has had a couple of the most important years of his development buggered by a couple of unfortunate factors, who has still shown enough in the couple of years that he's played, that one of the most successful teams in Europe of the last few years want to spend £8m on him.
Which is still fine, good luck to all three parties - there clearly isn't going to be a place for him in our Glenn Whelan / Alan Hutton / Meat / Potatoes Dream Team, so we may as well have the cash rather than bothering to try and make a young player better.
We don't really seem to have the tools to try to coach young players, so we're probably better off letting them go somewhere to get better, and we'll just buy Premier League reserves.
It's basically all Amavi's fault. Or Grealish's fault. Or Gueye's fault. Or Veretout's fault. Or Gil's fault. Or Gollini's fault. Or Tshibola's fault. Or the fault of anybody, as long as we don't have to think about the club having to take any responsibility to the development of a 21 year old player. They turned up as a 21 year old to a shit team with shit coaches, it's basically their own problem that they weren't brilliant.
Still, there's probably a 32 year old in Huddersfield's reserves they don't need now they've been promoted. Much easier that way.
You still really don't like Neil Taylor do you Dave? You seem to forget that he also had a serious injury which occurred during the prime years of his career when he was doing well in the top flight and the international stage.
Some of the names you mentioned have hardly helped themselves with their attitude at times have they?
On point one, I have nothing against him. He's a solid signing for an upper mid-table Championship side, just as I describe above. I'll just get my bunting and party poppers out of the cupboard.
He's not bad. He's not great. There's nothing more to see than what he is. He's like an IKEA chair. Or a mid-range frozen lasagne. Or a weekend where the weather isn't great, so it means you have to finally get round to a couple of jobs around the house. It's just there, because it's there.
On point two, I'll consider it a helpful extension of my point. It's always their fault. It's probably just coincidence that we're the club that if you say "that player from the last five years with the attitude", it could literally be from a pool of twenty or so.
Definitely all of their faults, individually. Nothing to do with us, we're just unlucky.
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Your point isn't a valid one though. You're suggesting that we run the risk of lingering in the Championship while we wait for the likes of Amavi and Veretout to improve enough to get us out of it.
No I'm not at all, that you think that's what I'm saying shows how trapped in short-termism you are. What I'm saying is that if all you do is say "we'll fix that tomorrow" it's never going to get fixed, it will always be a patch up job, we'll always sign the 28-30 year old who's nothing special but has been there and done it, we'll always get the safety first manager who's done ok at the same job we need doing. Our kids will always get to 22-23 having never established themselves because they get 1 game in 3 and it'll be their own fault for not putting the effort in. Lots of people have spoken for years about the problems at the club but yet again we're told that this summer isn't the time to do anything about it.
I said a few days ago until the team, the fans and the club change that mentality and start looking at building things that can last we're always going to be a long way short of what the biggest club from the 2nd biggest city in the country should be.
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I'd agree if we were top flight Paul, with FFP and being stuck in division 2 I think it's harder to look at a player like Amavi and think "well in a couple of years he could be very good". I think we're forced into being more short term as we really need to be promoted this season.
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I'd agree if we were top flight Paul, with FFP and being stuck in division 2 I think it's harder to look at a player like Amavi and think "well in a couple of years he could be very good". I think we're forced into being more short term as we really need to be promoted this season.
I think the short-term nature of managerial appointments makes it hard for managers to think like that as well.
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Your point isn't a valid one though. You're suggesting that we run the risk of lingering in the Championship while we wait for the likes of Amavi and Veretout to improve enough to get us out of it.
No I'm not at all, that you think that's what I'm saying shows how trapped in short-termism you are. What I'm saying is that if all you do is say "we'll fix that tomorrow" it's never going to get fixed, it will always be a patch up job, we'll always sign the 28-30 year old who's nothing special but has been there and done it, we'll always get the safety first manager who's done ok at the same job we need doing. Our kids will always get to 22-23 having never established themselves because they get 1 game in 3 and it'll be their own fault for not putting the effort in. Lots of people have spoken for years about the problems at the club but yet again we're told that this summer isn't the time to do anything about it.
I said a few days ago until the team, the fans and the club change that mentality and start looking at building things that can last we're always going to be a long way short of what the biggest club from the 2nd biggest city in the country should be.
How long do you envisage that process taking then Paul?
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Yes I used to dream in the that one day we would punch our weight too. As the decades have passed I have long given up on seeing the revolution that will lead to that.
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I think people are forgetting we still need to balance our books.
Everything we're doing so far this summer is indicating this, Terry was a free transfer. Whelan and this Elmohamady guy will be in the 2m range, Johnstone a little bit more but we won't be spending 50m net this summer that's for sure as it's simply unsustainable if there's no promotion at the end of the season.
Amavi to me was always the obvious squad player we had who we could sell to balance the books without significantly weakening us as Taylor is pretty good for this level.
What other squad players could we sell for 7-8m. We'll struggle to get that for Gil, Sanchez and Veretout combined.
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I think people are forgetting we still need to balance our books.
Everything we're doing so far this summer is indicating this, Terry was a free transfer. Whelan and this Elmohamady guy will be in the 2m range, Johnstone a little bit more but we won't be spending 50m net this summer that's for sure as it's simply unsustainable if there's no promotion at the end of the season.
Amavi to me was always the obvious squad player we had who we could sell to balance the books without significantly weakening us as Taylor is pretty good for this level.
What other squad players could we sell for 7-8m. We'll struggle to get that for Gil, Sanchez and Veretout combined.
I completely get FFP and taken in context selling Amavi is fine but I think other people are ignoring the fact that FFP will still exist next summer. That's why filling the squad with championship journeymen and 30 somethings whilst selling or not playing the under 25s bothers me. Lots of the players we've signed in the last 12-13 months are going to have to be in the team next season, even if we go up and the vast majority of them aren't good enough for that and are very unlikely to improve to any meaningful degree.
To flip this round a little bit how does an approach of, "good enough for now and we'll replace them when we get promoted" help to balance the books, has any team that has focused on buying experience ever been considered as the perfect example of sustainable club finances?
As I've said what we've done since Xia came in is almost carbon copy of what MON did 10-11 years ago. What Round brings to things might be where we see a difference but I don't think that will work if we have managers like Bruce and are focusing on signing people like Whelan and Elmohamady.
How long do you envisage that process taking then Paul?
That leads nicely to this. I think there are 3 steps.
The first is to decide how you want to approach things and get the management and coaching team structured correctly to deliver that. Until you do this there's no chance to start anything else because your entire footballing philosophy is based on the opinion of the manager and you're in a constant cycle of transition based on the wants of the guy who happens to be charge this year. There's no timescale to this bit really, it just needs to happen.
The second bit is to build up a squad of 2-3 players in each position who are suited to that style. With some addition from the youth team/reserves that will take 2-3 years but after 3 windows the core of the squad should be well established. On the flip side the outs should be focused, where possible, on getting rid of the players who will not fit first and then the ones that are in the middle get a chance to adapt.
The final bit is to get all the back room stuff working towards the new philosophy so that in the long term the kids that are coming through are all used to playing the same way and are able to step in as backups/replacements as the team above starts to break up. You're looking at 3-5 years for this to start taking effect and 7-8 for it to become fully established.
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Didn't Round espouse some of those ideas in that big interview he did last season? Bruce talking about needing PL experience to go with Terry suggests they're not fully on the same wavelength or else Round was talking a long-term strategy that sounds good as a new guy getting his ideas across but can be terminally "kicked down the road" without any sign of implementation.
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Didn't Round espouse some of those ideas in that big interview he did last season? Bruce talking about needing PL experience to go with Terry suggests they're not fully on the same wavelength or else Round was talking a long-term strategy that sounds good as a new guy getting his ideas across but can be terminally "kicked down the road" without any sign of implementation.
I don' mind premier league experience but it needs to be the right type of players and be players who can do the "team to stay up" bit as well. Chester is a great example of the sort of players we should be looking at. Elmo might be if he didn't play in positions where we have too many players already.
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I think people are forgetting we still need to balance our books.
Everything we're doing so far this summer is indicating this, Terry was a free transfer. Whelan and this Elmohamady guy will be in the 2m range, Johnstone a little bit more but we won't be spending 50m net this summer that's for sure as it's simply unsustainable if there's no promotion at the end of the season.
Amavi to me was always the obvious squad player we had who we could sell to balance the books without significantly weakening us as Taylor is pretty good for this level.
What other squad players could we sell for 7-8m. We'll struggle to get that for Gil, Sanchez and Veretout combined.
I completely get FFP and taken in context selling Amavi is fine but I think other people are ignoring the fact that FFP will still exist next summer. That's why filling the squad with championship journeymen and 30 somethings whilst selling or not playing the under 25s bothers me. Lots of the players we've signed in the last 12-13 months are going to have to be in the team next season, even if we go up and the vast majority of them aren't good enough for that and are very unlikely to improve to any meaningful degree.
To flip this round a little bit how does an approach of, "good enough for now and we'll replace them when we get promoted" help to balance the books, has any team that has focused on buying experience ever been considered as the perfect example of sustainable club finances?
As I've said what we've done since Xia came in is almost carbon copy of what MON did 10-11 years ago. What Round brings to things might be where we see a difference but I don't think that will work if we have managers like Bruce and are focusing on signing people like Whelan and Elmohamady.
How long do you envisage that process taking then Paul?
That leads nicely to this. I think there are 3 steps.
The first is to decide how you want to approach things and get the management and coaching team structured correctly to deliver that. Until you do this there's no chance to start anything else because your entire footballing philosophy is based on the opinion of the manager and you're in a constant cycle of transition based on the wants of the guy who happens to be charge this year. There's no timescale to this bit really, it just needs to happen.
The second bit is to build up a squad of 2-3 players in each position who are suited to that style. With some addition from the youth team/reserves that will take 2-3 years but after 3 windows the core of the squad should be well established. On the flip side the outs should be focused, where possible, on getting rid of the players who will not fit first and then the ones that are in the middle get a chance to adapt.
The final bit is to get all the back room stuff working towards the new philosophy so that in the long term the kids that are coming through are all used to playing the same way and are able to step in as backups/replacements as the team above starts to break up. You're looking at 3-5 years for this to start taking effect and 7-8 for it to become fully established.
I don't disagree with that Paul and at least it is a vision of how to run the club, which is something that seems to have been lacking. The first paragraph is the key bit though, as all that depends on the whim of the current manager. We haven't had anything like that kind of joined up thinking, so to do that would involve major upheaval at the club and I don't think we're in the position to do that now. We were in that position when MOn left and for his faults, Houllier was probably the right type of manager to usher in such changes.
I also accept the part about young players, but I don't think we are alone in that, as many other clubs seem reluctant to use them as well. I think a lot of it comes down to them being viewed as being a 'risk' by managers who fear for their job. When we went down, I was hoping that it would mean that we would see more of the younger players, but given our situation I can understand the reluctance and the reliance on more seasoned campaigners. Still doesn't mean that I wouldn't like to see Lyden, Green, Grealish, RHM and Davis feature more regularly next season.
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With his poor defensive performances last season and prior to his injury, Amavi proved that he wasn't good enough for the Premier League or Championship, so to get near enough what we paid out for him is a good bit of business despite the inflated transfer fees other players are going for.
Regarding FFP, it is a concern but if we get promoted then it won't be such an issue as we'll have a significant rise in income with the Premier League money.
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But if you want to see more of Lyden then do you think signing Whelan as cover/competition for Jedinak is a good idea? If you want to see RHM and Davis then is signing Crouch as our 5th first team striker a good idea? Green is probably better on the right so is signing Elmo and pushing Green to the left a good idea?
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He's so rubbish it's only smallfry like Sevilla who are desperate enough to take him off our hands.
Wouldn't surprise me if within 2/3 years Amavi, Gueye and Veretout are all playing Champions League football. Would surprise me if we're saying the same about Neil Taylor, Glen Whelan and Elmohamady.
That's great, but it's what happens this season in the Championship that is more of a concern to us really.
Downgrading the playing staff and hoping to do better isn't the way to go really.
Downgrading?
I'm not sure I've seen anything of Amavi that would indicate he's half as good as the excellent Taylor.
Absolutely, hence Taylor moving to one of the most successful clubs in Europe over the last few seasons for £8m so he can play in the Champions League next season.
Actually hang on...
Amavi might have potential, we've not seen It, certainly not defensively. Hes nowhere near as good as Taylor, who many were wrong about.
Taylor is, in his prime, a fairly competent Championship defender who nobody better than us wanted to buy. Which is why we're the team that bought him. He'll carry on being fine for somewhere between the 15th and 35th best team in the country for another five years or so.
Amavi is a young player who has had a couple of the most important years of his development buggered by a couple of unfortunate factors, who has still shown enough in the couple of years that he's played, that one of the most successful teams in Europe of the last few years want to spend £8m on him.
Which is still fine, good luck to all three parties - there clearly isn't going to be a place for him in our Glenn Whelan / Alan Hutton / Meat / Potatoes Dream Team, so we may as well have the cash rather than bothering to try and make a young player better.
We don't really seem to have the tools to try to coach young players, so we're probably better off letting them go somewhere to get better, and we'll just buy Premier League reserves.
It's basically all Amavi's fault. Or Grealish's fault. Or Gueye's fault. Or Veretout's fault. Or Gil's fault. Or Gollini's fault. Or Tshibola's fault. Or the fault of anybody, as long as we don't have to think about the club having to take any responsibility to the development of a 21 year old player. They turned up as a 21 year old to a shit team with shit coaches, it's basically their own problem that they weren't brilliant.
Still, there's probably a 32 year old in Huddersfield's reserves they don't need now they've been promoted. Much easier that way.
Totally agree Dave. At the end of the day, it is the manager who controls how players develop by the way they approach the game and how they manage other players in the squad. I always have the feeling that some fans consider a player leaving the club similar to their wife/husband or girlfriend/boyfriend walking out on them.
I think that a move away is the best for all concerned. It was clear to me that as soon as Bruce walked in through the door he wanted Amavi and Ayew out of the club. If the manager does not want to use players that have financial value, you may as well sell them. People play down the injury Amavi had and what it takes to get back from it. He will have put a lot of effort into getting back to fitness and usually there is a point when fatigue sets in and the player either stagnates or goes backwards a bit before going again. I wish him well and hope we have a sell one clause agreed, as well as appearance based add-ons.
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The constant chopping and changing at the club hasn't helped any of our players develop, whether they are coming out of the academies or of a more senior status. Add to that the changing of managerial philosophies. We don't have a way of playing that any of us can really associate with. It's been many wasted years and we've spent a lot of money on players with very little ROI, with the obvious exception being Benteke.
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Xia appears to have rubbished the Crouch rumour on Twitter. However he did also tweet "It's need good balance as getting promotion is also critical task for us. Experience can save some mistakes and time."
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But if you want to see more of Lyden then do you think signing Whelan as cover/competition for Jedinak is a good idea? If you want to see RHM and Davis then is signing Crouch as our 5th first team striker a good idea? Green is probably better on the right so is signing Elmo and pushing Green to the left a good idea?
I thought Lyden should have had more game time last season in the defensive midfield role as an understudy to Jedinak. As I've said before, I'm not sold on Whelan because I' m not sure he will fit in to the formation I would like to see us play.
A striker like Crouch is a must for me as we don't have that type of striker at the club. Crouch (or someone like him), Kodjia, Hogan, RHM and Davis would be a good pool of striking options, with McCormack and Agbonlahor being expendable.
If Elmo signs and is to be used as a wide player, then it will again give us some options. Green proved last year that he is comfortable on both flanks, but young players need a rest sometimes so we could rotate with Adomah in the mix as well as Grealish and Kodjia being able to play out wide if needed.
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I very much agree with Dave, the concern is that Bruce will try and by promotion by the old pro route and by chucking a team together.
Even if the promised
And of promotion is reached, which I doubt.
This club will be no further forward.
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I very much agree with Dave, the concern is that Bruce will try and by promotion by the old pro route and by chucking a team together.
Even if the promised
And of promotion is reached, which I doubt.
This club will be no further forward.
How is it possible to be no further forward if we are in the league above where we are now?
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I very much agree with Dave, the concern is that Bruce will try and by promotion by the old pro route and by chucking a team together.
Even if the promised
And of promotion is reached, which I doubt.
This club will be no further forward.
How is it possible to be no further forward if we are in the league above where we are now?
In terms of having an identity and strategy, but I know what you mean.
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Strangely enough, the approach Burnley appears to have taken the past three years may be something we'd have to hope for - they scraped a promotion, didn't overextend themselves trying to stay up but instead made sure that they at least had themselves fully prepared to come straight back up, and second time around, they appear to have stabilised themselves. Although obviously with a club of their size, they'll always be looking over their shoulder at the drop zone.
If we do promoted, I think we really do need to be sensible at least at first - not so many over 30s, but also not too many high-price mercenaries who would fuck off after 12 months should we not managed to survive.
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I very much agree with Dave, the concern is that Bruce will try and by promotion by the old pro route and by chucking a team together.
Even if the promised
And of promotion is reached, which I doubt.
This club will be no further forward.
How is it possible to be no further forward if we are in the league above where we are now?
I think what he's trying to say is, even if Bruce get's us promoted, he won't give him any credit for it.
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I very much agree with Dave, the concern is that Bruce will try and by promotion by the old pro route and by chucking a team together.
Even if the promised
And of promotion is reached, which I doubt.
This club will be no further forward.
How is it possible to be no further forward if we are in the league above where we are now?
I think what he's trying to say is, even if Bruce get's us promoted, he won't give him any credit for it.
Not quite, I am trying to say that buying short term fixes is short termism.
As is dispensing with talent as opposed to nurturing it, Grealish next, to be replaced by Whelan.
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If we are going 352 then we need more centre backs and centre midfielders and fewer wide players and full backs
So eg Jedinak and whelan as DCM, plus Lansbury, hourihane, Thor and Lyden as the other options. Happy I let Tshibola and Gardner go
Chester Terry and baker plus (Richards? Elphick? Can bree play there? Even Taylor? Jedinak? De Laet?)
In a back three, having someone who can also play full back is really helpful as it gives more balance (e.g. Azpilcueta, Staunton, etc)
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Strangely enough, the approach Burnley appears to have taken the past three years may be something we'd have to hope for - they scraped a promotion, didn't overextend themselves trying to stay up but instead made sure that they at least had themselves fully prepared to come straight back up, and second time around, they appear to have stabilised themselves. Although obviously with a club of their size, they'll always be looking over their shoulder at the drop zone.
If we do promoted, I think we really do need to be sensible at least at first - not so many over 30s, but also not too many high-price mercenaries who would fuck off after 12 months should we not managed to survive.
Part of the problem is the terrible state we came down in and the need for a total rebuild. If you look at Newcastle for example, they didn't need a massive rebuild. They just sold a couple of players, used the money to bring in some players who were going to help get them up and now probably just need to add a bit of quality here and there. The fact that we have had to rebuild completely was a major problem.
Ideally, you want the rest of the side solid enough so that you are only really having to add a few quality players to the spine of the side if you do go up.
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If you believe everything you read on the Twittersphere he has failed his medical
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If we are going 352 then we need more centre backs and centre midfielders and fewer wide players and full backs
So eg Jedinak and whelan as DCM, plus Lansbury, hourihane, Thor and Lyden as the other options. Happy I let Tshibola and Gardner go
Chester Terry and baker plus (Richards? Elphick? Can bree play there? Even Taylor? Jedinak? De Laet?)
In a back three, having someone who can also play full back is really helpful as it gives more balance (e.g. Azpilcueta, Staunton, etc)
I could definitely see Jedinak dropping into a back three if we go with that formation. Could be something like:
Johnstone
Chester Jedinak Terry
El Ahmadi Whelan Taylor
Lansbury Hourihane
Kodjia Hogan
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If we are going 352 then we need more centre backs and centre midfielders and fewer wide players and full backs
So eg Jedinak and whelan as DCM, plus Lansbury, hourihane, Thor and Lyden as the other options. Happy I let Tshibola and Gardner go
Chester Terry and baker plus (Richards? Elphick? Can bree play there? Even Taylor? Jedinak? De Laet?)
In a back three, having someone who can also play full back is really helpful as it gives more balance (e.g. Azpilcueta, Staunton, etc)
I could definitely see Jedinak dropping into a back three if we go with that formation. Could be something like:
Johnstone
Chester Jedinak Terry
El Ahmadi Whelan Taylor
Lansbury Hourihane
Kodjia Hogan
El Ahmadi left 3 years ago, thank god.
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I very much agree with Dave, the concern is that Bruce will try and by promotion by the old pro route and by chucking a team together.
Even if the promised
And of promotion is reached, which I doubt.
This club will be no further forward.
How is it possible to be no further forward if we are in the league above where we are now?
I think what he's trying to say is, even if Bruce get's us promoted, he won't give him any credit for it.
Not quite, I am trying to say that buying short term fixes is short termism.
As is dispensing with talent as opposed to nurturing it, Grealish next, to be replaced by Whelan.
The 2nd line is the important bit. Buying players to fill a short term gap is fine but paying for them by selling younger players is just stupid. Amavi wanted to leave and it's a good move for him, I get that but at some point we need to stop getting rid of under 23s and buying in late 20s early 30s players. as I said, the whole approach right now feels exactly the same as under MON, the difference is he got away with it for a while because we were at the right end of the premier league, doing the same thing 10 years later when the approach has put you on a crash course to relegation is just stupid. I'm not saying don't buy experienced players, I'm saying if you do then buy ones who can mentor the kids you have and focus on making those players ready for the first team in 18 months time.
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Always thought Amavi had raw talent and could be one for the future. For a number of different reasons he just never settled or nailed down a place. Think he can be sold on without having that bigger effect on on the squad/team. But I wish him well :)
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Has he coughed for the doctor yet?
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Amavi has reportedly failed medical according to the Spanish press. They also report the deal is off!
The Villa curse continues?!
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shit, there goes Elmo's fire.
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El Ahmadi left 3 years ago, thank god.
Now captain of the Dutch Champions - and playing in the CL........
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Remove the Sold sign, apparently he's failed his medical
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From Marca:
12.51. Sevilla dismisses Amavi after failed medical
Jordan Amavi is not going to become a new player of Sevilla after he failed a medical, news advanced by Diario de Sevilla. On Friday evening, the Andalusians had announced the beginning of an agreement with Aston Villa for 8 million pounds, which will now be torn up.
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Well, that's okay. The French Football Federation can pay us the money instead. He didn't have any problems till he was selected for a completely pointless game for them.
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Apparently Sevilla do have a reputation for hammering teams down on price, installments, hurdles put in etc......I can imagine they would want a discount or appearance based payments now.
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It's OK, don't forget that Dr Tone told us someone had offered £25m for him. We'll just go back and accept their offer...
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Shit, they've read what we've been saying about him on here.
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If the footballing world had been paying attention to this sight He would have Real Madrid and Barcelona fighting over his signature.
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Well if this is true I hope he can get his head down and re-integrate with the squad asap.
Will probably fuck up our summer spending plans though.
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I can think of worse players / leeches we need to get rid before Amavi
Would still be surprised if he was here by start of the season, but we probably won't get £8million for him.
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Obviously they didn't use the same medical staff we used for Micah.
If he is seriously injured then that is a shame.
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El Ahmadi left 3 years ago, thank god.
Now captain of the Dutch Champions - and playing in the CL........
Indeed. He was still woeful at our place.
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Bollocks, looks like Seville dodged the bullet.
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Maybe all of these crap players at Villa aren't always so crap, but our system isn't using them to their strength? Way to often we see decent/well performing players become crap
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I always wonder how Downing passed his medical?
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I can think of worse players / leeches we need to get rid before Amavi
Would still be surprised if he was here by start of the season, but we probably won't get £8million for him.
we can only get rid of the ones who are actually wanted by other clubs though!
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Tony's thoughts:
JA's medical report was good. Someone hi-level didn't agree with the transfer&found a reason of injury history which is really unfair to JA.
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That's tough on Amavi. If he stays he's a real asset though.
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Hmm...I do hope it doesn't send his value into a nosedive or make him feel unsettled and of little use to us if he doesn't get a move. Tony's comment doesn't seem unlikely.
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Still take 5m for an awful player.
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Still take 5m for an awful player.
No club in their right mind would pay that for Agbonlahor (GA).
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Shame, he's never done it for us and obviously wants to leave too.
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Still take 5m for an awful player.
No club in their right mind would pay that for Agbonlahor (GA).
Burnley paid it for AW, no one is crazy enough to pay a fiver for our mate Gabby, and as for JA, a couple of mill will do for a poor player.
JT will sort them out.
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I always wonder how Downing passed his medical?
He was recovering from a broken leg, which we already know.
The medical would obviously have confirmed that, but if it's something that we are prepared to wait to heal, then the medical would just have checked there were no other medical reasons not to sign him.
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could the medical failure mean he had not fully recovered from injury and this explains poor form.
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Would he be insured? Could we get rid and get a pay out that way?
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Would he be insured? Could we get rid and get a pay out that way?
Not unless he couldn't play at any standard ever again.
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Would he be insured? Could we get rid and get a pay out that way?
Not unless he couldn't play at any standard ever again.
On that basis we could claim on most players who have played for us this decade.
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Would he be insured? Could we get rid and get a pay out that way?
Classy :-) He's not retiring, he failed one clubs medical, he'll be perfectly fit to play just Sevilla will have decided the risk of the injury reoccurring was too big a risk to spend that much money on.
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Would he be insured? Could we get rid and get a pay out that way?
Not unless he couldn't play at any standard ever again.
On that basis we could claim on most players who have played for us this decade.
Funny, sad and very true.
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At least this means we might actually start to consider selling the other dross we have like Richards and Agbo.
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Money aside (and maybe we need it for FFP stuff) I am pleased he is staying. I still think there is a Premier League level player in there.
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I wouldn't be at all surprised if Seville come back with a 5m take it or leave it offer.
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El Ahmadi left 3 years ago, thank god.
Now captain of the Dutch Champions - and playing in the CL........
Just about to post this but 8 hours too late. We have sold so many players who have gone on to be better than we made them look I'm amazed there are folk on this thread sticking their neck out giving it all that about how crap Amavi is.
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I'd be glad if he stayed too. Lets aim above our current station.
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Wasn't he, according to some stats or other, the top-rating leftback in Europe when we bought him?
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Would he be insured? Could we get rid and get a pay out that way?
Not unless he couldn't play at any standard ever again.
On that basis we could claim on most players who have played for us this decade.
Funny, sad and very true.
fire sale then
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I wouldn't be at all surprised if Seville come back with a 5m take it or leave it offer.
Then we should tell Seville to go swivel.
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We are going to have to start shifting some of the dross out soon.
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Wasn't he, according to some stats or other, the top-rating leftback in Europe when we bought him?
Yes he was
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Tony thinks this 'failure' is garbage - they just changed their mind and used it as an out
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El Ahmadi left 3 years ago, thank god.
Now captain of the Dutch Champions - and playing in the CL........
Don't forget Scott Sinclair. Won a Championship last season and could be playing in the CL.....
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El Ahmadi left 3 years ago, thank god.
Now captain of the Dutch Champions - and playing in the CL........
Don't forget Scott Sinclair. Won a Championship last season and could be playing in the CL.....
Amazing quality required to win the title in a one team league.
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Seems unnecessarily petty. He still won the Player of the Year ahead of Dembele, who could well end up in the upper echelons of the Premier League.
I don't doubt that the league is easier, but it also may be that Rodgers is better at getting the best out of him. He was very good for Swansea so it's not like he's only ever looked decent when playing against rabble like Ross County, Hamilton Accies and Rangers.
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Never did it against Clyde on a wet Tuesday night though.
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No Celtic player could live with Clyde, you're only as good as your last meeting (any excuse)....
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El Ahmadi left 3 years ago, thank god.
Now captain of the Dutch Champions - and playing in the CL........
Don't forget Scott Sinclair. Won a Championship last season and could be playing in the CL.....
Amazing quality required to win the title in a one team league.
That's the point I was trying to make!! All good and well saying ex-players who didn't do well here are now playing in the Champions League, but you have to take into account the league they are playing in and how different it can be to playing in England.
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El Ahmadi finished above a team that made the Europa League Final.
It's easy just to dismiss them as having played in a crap league, I'd suggest their new-found successes are partly due to playing inferior opposition, and partly because Villa have a habit of ruining players.
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No Celtic player could live with Clyde, you're only as good as your last meeting (any excuse)....
Do you have a link with subtitles?
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No, I just skipped through the bits when Graham Roberts was talking.
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El Ahmadi finished above a team that made the Europa League Final.
It's easy just to dismiss them as having played in a crap league, I'd suggest their new-found successes are partly due to playing inferior opposition, and partly because Villa have a habit of ruining players.
Also, I remember him looking pretty handy when United turned up to their place and lost. He got off to a great start with us too, but as seems to be the trend lately, we managed to coach the ability out of him and basically turned him into a runner to clog midfield for us.
Always felt like Lambert did have a decent eye for talent - pity he didn't know how to mould them into actually good players.
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Amavi could be a great Premier League player, when we signed him he reminded me of a young Ashley Cole. I'm just not sure he's made for the Championship though. I think Taylor is better suited to the Championship.
Maybe loaning Amavi out for a year could work for us and him. In a years time we may be in the Prem (hopefully) or worse case scenario we get him off the wage bill and he's in the shop window for a year.
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Shhhteve McClaren won the Dutch league so I'm not having any of that cobblers, El Ahmadi was piss poor.
IF Celtic progress to the group stage they will show their level again.
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They were battered by Barcelona, but drew home and away against Man City and drew against Gladbach. Not great, but hardly embarrassing. If they got an easier draw, they could sneak into the last sixteen.
McLaren made the UEFA Cup Final and won Middlesbrough their only trophy, putting himself in pole position for the England job. Just because he has been shit since returning to the UK doesn't undermine his achievements in the Dutch League.
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Finishing 3rd and getting into the Europa league is their remit.
You only have to look at how Dutch teams in the Champions Leagie have faired lately and it's also no coincidence that the national team will fail again to qualify for a major tournament.
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I think finishing third is more achievable, but top two isn't out of the question if they get a jammy draw.
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Agreed, they have been unlucky with draws recently and this doesn't help their seeding and pot, I hope they avoid one of the bigger teams in pot 2 and they have half a chance and if they keep Dembele even better.
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El Ahmadi finished above a team that made the Europa League Final.
It's easy just to dismiss them as having played in a crap league, I'd suggest their new-found successes are partly due to playing inferior opposition, and partly because Villa have a habit of ruining players.
Not so much the standard of the league, more the nature of it. I think the speed and physicality of British football is pretty unique and players used to playing in other leagues sometimes cannot adapt. Carlos Sanchez was a prime example. Does well for Colombia playing at the slower speed of international football, but the game was too quick for him over here and he could not adjust.
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Amavi failed his medical so badly they want him on a season long loan.
Bloody cheek!
Villa are reported to be unamused
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Tell them to fuck right off.
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If his medical is clear as Tony says then FIFA/UEFA needs to do something about this shower. Surely they can't be allowed to ruin peoples careers like this without some sort of consequence. Hardly seems 'fit and proper' to me, but there again neither is FIFA/UEFA
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Top drawer bedwetting.
Alternatively they don't want to shell out 8mil on a player with a history of ACL injury
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Tell them to fuck right off.
This.
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Top drawer bedwetting.
Alternatively they don't want to shell out 8mil on a player with a history of ACL injury
They knew about his history before they made a bid. Or if they didn't, they're fucking idiots.
If they've changed their mind, it's a bit unfair for the player, but I could understand it. Changing their mind, then trying to cover their tracks by making up a failed medical, damaging the player's future prospects in the process, is shoddy behaviour.
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They have a reputation for doing this sort of thing - they could easily come back in to try and nab him on a loan or at a massively reduced fee.
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Yep this is their MO, tell em to do one!
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yep and if they want the deal back on it's £9 million now.
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yep and if they want the deal back on it's £9 million now.
Plus a long weekend break in Seville for every H&Ver.
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They have a reputation for doing this sort of thing - they could easily come back in to try and nab him on a loan or at a massively reduced fee.
Which indeed they have done.
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They have a reputation for doing this sort of thing - they could easily come back in to try and nab him on a loan or at a massively reduced fee.
Which indeed they have done.
As far as Amavi is concerned it's a buyers market as no one else is in for him I believe ? If so a season long loan at 50k per week for nine months frees up nearly £2m in wages . If they then want him it will mean he's had a good season so we might get far more than £8m as others will want him too. Don't see him in our first team and we've already said the squad is way too big so offload at all costs, we need to be very careful with our money now.
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They have a reputation for doing this sort of thing - they could easily come back in to try and nab him on a loan or at a massively reduced fee.
Which indeed they have done.
As far as Amavi is concerned it's a buyers market as no one else is in for him I believe ? If so a season long loan at 50k per week for nine months frees up nearly £2m in wages . If they then want him it will mean he's had a good season so we might get far more than £8m as others will want him too. Don't see him in our first team and we've already said the squad is way too big so offload at all costs, we need to be very careful with our money now.
so offload at all costs and be careful with our money.
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They have a reputation for doing this sort of thing - they could easily come back in to try and nab him on a loan or at a massively reduced fee.
Which indeed they have done.
As far as Amavi is concerned it's a buyers market as no one else is in for him I believe ? If so a season long loan at 50k per week for nine months frees up nearly £2m in wages . If they then want him it will mean he's had a good season so we might get far more than £8m as others will want him too. Don't see him in our first team and we've already said the squad is way too big so offload at all costs, we need to be very careful with our money now.
Glad you're not in our negotiating team. No try before you buy, pay up or walk on. This sort of sharp practice makes my blood boil they had no intention of doing the deal and apparently had been enquiring about a loan since the initial approach
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Thing is it still may be in our interest to do the deal. They pay his wages for 12 months and then in ayear we see where we are. If we go up we may decide to keep. If we don't then the likelihood is that they've got him for a knock down price should he have performed and they want to keep him. Depends how we want to play it. As much as it rankles I'd let him go on loan but then state they must buy him for 8m or so if he plays something like 20 games. Play less than that deliberately when he's been doing well then they're potentially removing a decent player from their team.
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Thing is it still may be in our interest to do the deal. They pay his wages for 12 months and then in ayear we see where we are. If we go up we may decide to keep. If we don't then the likelihood is that they've got him for a knock down price should he have performed and they want to keep him. Depends how we want to play it. As much as it rankles I'd let him go on loan but then state they must buy him for 8m or so if he plays something like 20 games. Play less than that deliberately when he's been doing well then they're potentially removing a decent player from their team.
I would add a loan fee of £2m. If they buy him at the end of the season, the transfer fee is reduced by £2m, if not, they lose their deposit.
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I would tell them to pay up what they already agreed, or fuck off.
There's no way we should be allowing this sort of chicanery or we will have the piss taken out of us every time we try to buy or sell a player. Even more than usual.
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Don't we need the money now to finance our buys, under FFP?
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Chicanery! The one good thing Chuck Magill ever uttered.
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Top drawer bedwetting.
Alternatively they don't want to shell out 8mil on a player with a history of ACL injury
Nose alert.
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Top drawer bedwetting.
Alternatively they don't want to shell out 8mil on a player with a history of ACL injury
Nose alert.
Having seen his email address, I am hugely suspicious.
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I would tell them to pay up what they already agreed, or fuck off.
There's no way we should be allowing this sort of chicanery or we will have the piss taken out of us every time we try to buy or sell a player. Even more than usual.
Yes they can fuck off.
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Top drawer bedwetting.
Alternatively they don't want to shell out 8mil on a player with a history of ACL injury
Nose alert.
Having seen his email address, I am hugely suspicious.
A dimwit whichever way you view it.
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They have a reputation for doing this sort of thing - they could easily come back in to try and nab him on a loan or at a massively reduced fee.
Which indeed they have done.
As far as Amavi is concerned it's a buyers market as no one else is in for him I believe ? If so a season long loan at 50k per week for nine months frees up nearly £2m in wages . If they then want him it will mean he's had a good season so we might get far more than £8m as others will want him too. Don't see him in our first team and we've already said the squad is way too big so offload at all costs, we need to be very careful with our money now.
Glad you're not in our negotiating team. No try before you buy, pay up or walk on. This sort of sharp practice makes my blood boil they had no intention of doing the deal and apparently had been enquiring about a loan since the initial approach
I'm happy to put my business nous up against yours, let's bring him home then and keep another surplus player on the payroll, great idea? Happy to admit I'm wrong if someone else comes in for him , if not I'm £2m up on you already .
We'd all like a great deal to happen but as I said I don't see a queue of buyers unless the one offering £20m in a January shows up.
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Top drawer bedwetting.
Alternatively they don't want to shell out 8mil on a player with a history of ACL injury
Nose alert.
Having seen his email address, I am hugely suspicious.
you mean.
Taitfrancishopkins@interbredhalfwit.com
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They have a reputation for doing this sort of thing - they could easily come back in to try and nab him on a loan or at a massively reduced fee.
Which indeed they have done.
As far as Amavi is concerned it's a buyers market as no one else is in for him I believe ? If so a season long loan at 50k per week for nine months frees up nearly £2m in wages . If they then want him it will mean he's had a good season so we might get far more than £8m as others will want him too. Don't see him in our first team and we've already said the squad is way too big so offload at all costs, we need to be very careful with our money now.
Glad you're not in our negotiating team. No try before you buy, pay up or walk on. This sort of sharp practice makes my blood boil they had no intention of doing the deal and apparently had been enquiring about a loan since the initial approach
Hey, Frank - you're not working with David Davis on Brexit, are you?
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They have a reputation for doing this sort of thing - they could easily come back in to try and nab him on a loan or at a massively reduced fee.
Which indeed they have done.
As far as Amavi is concerned it's a buyers market as no one else is in for him I believe ? If so a season long loan at 50k per week for nine months frees up nearly £2m in wages . If they then want him it will mean he's had a good season so we might get far more than £8m as others will want him too. Don't see him in our first team and we've already said the squad is way too big so offload at all costs, we need to be very careful with our money now.
Glad you're not in our negotiating team. No try before you buy, pay up or walk on. This sort of sharp practice makes my blood boil they had no intention of doing the deal and apparently had been enquiring about a loan since the initial approach
Hey, Frank - you're not working with David Davis on Brexit, are you?
If they want him and he passed the medical (which he may or may not have done depending on who you believe) then they will be back (which they are). I wouldn't sell him for penny piece less and suggest we stay strong and stable.
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They have a reputation for doing this sort of thing - they could easily come back in to try and nab him on a loan or at a massively reduced fee.
Which indeed they have done.
As far as Amavi is concerned it's a buyers market as no one else is in for him I believe ? If so a season long loan at 50k per week for nine months frees up nearly £2m in wages . If they then want him it will mean he's had a good season so we might get far more than £8m as others will want him too. Don't see him in our first team and we've already said the squad is way too big so offload at all costs, we need to be very careful with our money now.
Glad you're not in our negotiating team. No try before you buy, pay up or walk on. This sort of sharp practice makes my blood boil they had no intention of doing the deal and apparently had been enquiring about a loan since the initial approach
Hey, Frank - you're not working with David Davis on Brexit, are you?
If they want him and he passed the medical (which he may or may not have done depending on who you believe) then they will be back (which they are). I wouldn't sell him for penny piece less and suggest we stay strong and stable.
I think we could get the deal back on if people were a bit more patriotic.
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They have a reputation for doing this sort of thing - they could easily come back in to try and nab him on a loan or at a massively reduced fee.
Which indeed they have done.
As far as Amavi is concerned it's a buyers market as no one else is in for him I believe ? If so a season long loan at 50k per week for nine months frees up nearly £2m in wages . If they then want him it will mean he's had a good season so we might get far more than £8m as others will want him too. Don't see him in our first team and we've already said the squad is way too big so offload at all costs, we need to be very careful with our money now.
Glad you're not in our negotiating team. No try before you buy, pay up or walk on. This sort of sharp practice makes my blood boil they had no intention of doing the deal and apparently had been enquiring about a loan since the initial approach
Hey, Frank - you're not working with David Davis on Brexit, are you?
If they want him and he passed the medical (which he may or may not have done depending on who you believe) then they will be back (which they are). I wouldn't sell him for penny piece less and suggest we stay strong and stable.
I think we could get the deal back on if people were a bit more patriotic.
Hear hear!
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As with Gil, if any team wants Amavi, Gil Vertout or anyone else for that matter, why can't we stipulate that the loan will only go ahead with a sell on deal at the end of the loan. If the clubs wishing to loan don't like it, FFS tell them to do one. This should also be said to the players agents as well!!!
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If we're desperate to get them off the books we are in less of a position to dictate terms. James Rodriguez has just gone to Bayern from Real on a two-year loan deal. If it's good enough for them... ;)
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He'll get himself injured tonight.
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He'll get himself injured tonight.
He's already busy hammering crosses into the first defender, so it's very possible.
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Thought he looked good tonight to be honest
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Yeah very good - but obviously afainst bad opposition
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He showed glimpses of just what he is capable of, when fully fit. Albeit against poor opposition..
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He's looked pretty rapid - perhaps now more over the injury
But hard to tell if it was the oppo
And not tested defensively which is the problem
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Looks like it's definitely happening now. The manager has just said it's very close.
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Jordan Amavi - deal on
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"Pulled him off the bus" as very close according to Bruce
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L'Equipe reported yesterday that it is a done deal. 12 months loan to Marseille with a €10 million purchase option.
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"Pulled him off the bus" as very close according to Bruce
I hope he didn't injure him.
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Purchase option is a bit wank, if at the end of the 12 months they can just say 'non.'
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So they get 12 months to see that he is gash then send him back again, great.
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Purchase option is a bit wank, if at the end of the 12 months they can just say 'non.'
If we're getting a loan fee, that's fine. Pretty confident, providing no injuries, they'll exercise the option if it's 10 million euros as rumoured.
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So they get 12 months to see that he is gash then send him back again, great.
Fortunately it sounds more like a deferred payment, and they have to cough start of next season. I hope so because there is no way anyone will pay money for him after he has played for them! 10m is robbery and great business from Wyness and co.
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If it's a loan with a guaranteed sale at the end of it, fair enough. If it's a loan with the option to sign, they can fuck off. It just means he'll be worth less in a year as he'll have less on his contract.
See also: the unbelievably stupid Gollini deal.
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Does the thread title need updating again?
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So they get 12 months to see that he is gash then send him back again, great.
Fortunately it sounds more like a deferred payment, and they have to cough start of next season. I hope so because there is no way anyone will pay money for him after he has played for them! 10m is robbery and great business from Wyness and co.
It's a bit like when we signed Curtis Davies then. Except we were robbed even more than Marseille with that one.
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My bet is that he will get a call up to the National team near future.
Somehow it is always the players who are crap when they start play for us - I think there is something wrong (Hopefully not anymore) with the basics of the club.
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If it's a loan with a guaranteed sale at the end of it, fair enough. If it's a loan with the option to sign, they can fuck off. It just means he'll be worth less in a year as he'll have less on his contract.
See also: the unbelievably stupid Gollini deal.
Agree on Gollini, but I guess if that is all that was on the table we had to take it. In general this lot have been better at extracting cash for scrap than Lerner and co were though.
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Good luck Jordan at your new club. It's a case of what might have been, if it hadn't been for that bad injury.
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Good luck Jordan at your new club. It's a case of what might have been, if it hadn't been for that bad injury.
And we hadn't got relegated.
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Looks like he may have to play x amount of games to trigger the transfer, according to reports. Let's hope he stays fit and plays.
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Good luck to him, I think he's got plenty of potential and may be very good. However, he's been on the brink of fulfilling his potential for a while now without ever quite making the required improvement. Probably worth taking the money rather than gambling.
Hope Marseille knock Sevilla out of Europe and he scores the winner.
We need another left-back as cover for Taylor.
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Bags of potential, we don't do potential.
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Now Gone, O/S
Loan with view to permanent
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Bags of potential, we don't do potential.
No, we just do for potential.
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See you in June, Jordan.
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Good luck. Suffered a terrible injury. Never said a bad word about the club, worked hard to get back and just got on with it. I hope it works out for him and he has a great career. Lots of run room in front of him.
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See you in June, Jordan.
Would rather see you in Jordan, June.
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I read that as another ex Villa player had given Katie Price one, or is about to.
Not sure.
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Any mention of a loan fee or what the option to buy figure is?
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O?S never give out any figures!
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I really liked him I still think he will go on to be a very good player only time will tell anyway good luck Jordan.
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I'd like to pretend he'll be missed, but two decent crosses and not a lot else in the shirt says otherwise
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Good luck to the guy ....starting great ...injured .... never quite seemed the same after ..... but never heard him complain at all and simply kept his head down
Hope it works out for him
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It's a shame he's gone because he showed glimpses in pre-season of him getting back to where he was before the injury. Good luck to the bloke.
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All the best Jordan.
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Good luck to the guy ....starting great ...injured .... never quite seemed the same after ..... but never heard him complain at all and simply kept his head down
Hope it works out for him
Agree on all counts.
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Good luck to the lad, never quite looked the same after the injury, probably lacked decent coaching too, especially as he adjusted to a new league, i'm sure he still has a big future in the game.
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Bon chance young man.
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Bags of potential, we don't do potential.
No, we just do for potential.
Sadly
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Bags of potential, we don't do potential.
No, we just do for potential.
Sadly
Yep agreed
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Going to have to sign another LB now
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Going to have to sign another LB now
We have Bjorn for that ;)
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See you in June, Jordan.
Aye. The lads a boomerang. He will be back.
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Given how transfer strategy this summer I'm actually surprised we didn't ask for Patrice Evra in return.
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I think he is more suited to a fast attacking team that moves the ball around. I suppose he had no chance with us then.
Good luck to him after a very bad injury.
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Going to have to sign another LB now
We have three right backs, I am sure one of them can cover if required.
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Going to have to sign another LB now
We have three right backs, I am sure one of them can cover if required.
I'd assumed that RDL would be the one. Therefore, I was surprised that CheeseBoy switched to LB when RDL came on against Colchester.
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Going to have to sign another LB now
We have three right backs, I am sure one of them can cover if required.
I'd assumed that RDL would be the one. Therefore, I was surprised that CheeseBoy switched to LB when RDL came on against Colchester.
Probably just being careful with him after a long term injury, then he gets clattered within a couple of minutes of coming on. I think you are probably right once he's back up to speed.
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Very shy and unassuming person - that always seemed on the periphery with the other players.
As said never was negative about the club and I am sure will have a decent career - just not with us
Au revoir
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Going to have to sign another LB now
We have three right backs, I am sure one of them can cover if required.
Why settle for having a player out of position? We need a new left-back.
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Going to have to sign another LB now
We have three right backs, I am sure one of them can cover if required.
Why settle for having a player out of position? We need a new left-back.
I reckon we must have one in the U23s that can put in a couple of crosses a season
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Very shy and unassuming person - that always seemed on the periphery with the other players.
As said never was negative about the club and I am sure will have a decent career - just not with us
Au revoir
Are you still working at the club, Hookey? I admire your arms-length non-disclosure posts on here. I'm sure there's a lot more you could tell us ;)
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I suppose a transfer to another country is not a bad way to avoid the consequences of a 6 month driving ban!
It was reported 2 days ago in the Brum Mail and Sutton Coldfield Observer that he had received the ban on 2 counts of not providing information to the police about the driver of a car. Also got 6 points on his licence and a £1471 fine.
Wish him all the best and would not be surprised to see him make the French national side if he manages to get over the trauma and mental scars of having been a Villa player.
Re other LBs. Toner, if he has not been loaned out, can and has played in that position. At the last U23 pre season vs Tamworth Oscat Borg was LB, after being out injured for most of last season.
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Given how transfer strategy this summer I'm actually surprised we didn't ask for Patrice Evra in return.
He's still a whipper snapper, I think Lizarazu would have been likelier.
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Oscat Borg...surely a pseudonym?
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The MD of a graphic design company I used in the 1990s was called Sans Serif. I kid you not.
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I bet you knew his next move - easily read
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Mr U did he say he was from Helvetica?
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Given how transfer strategy this summer I'm actually surprised we didn't ask for Patrice Evra in return.
He's still a whipper snapper, I think Lizarazu would have been likelier.
Didier Six could fill in at left back. Well, better than Icelandic fella.
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Ah. ......I remember when we signed Didier.....even then we thought it was a load of old shite.
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If Marseilles get him fit and on form and it could work for us as we will get much better player next season if they can't afford him on permanent deal.
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It's an obligation to buy though, isn't it? Just that we're not receiving the majority of the fee until next summer, I'm guessing for FFP reasons that suits both sides.
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Amavi has been called up to the French squad apparently.
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Amavi has been called up to the French squad apparently.
I didn't even know he played any other sports.
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He hasn't even been that good in the games I've seen.
Marseille conceded loads of goals in the games he's been played and he's been booked a few times so pretty much the same as he was here.
Shows he was wise to move on though as I imagine he'd have been 476th in the French LB pecking order if he'd stayed as a back up championship player.
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Amavi has been called up to the French squad apparently.
I didn't even know he played any other sports.
Haha...he must be very good at that sport.
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Amavi has been called up to the French squad apparently.
I didn't even know he played any other sports.
Outstanding.
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Agreed. Absolute pearler mate!
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He hasn't even been that good in the games I've seen.
Marseille conceded loads of goals in the games he's been played and he's been booked a few times so pretty much the same as he was here.
Shows he was wise to move on though as I imagine he'd have been 476th in the French LB pecking order if he'd stayed as a back up championship player.
Yeah, I mean, I was confident he'd do well but it comes off to me a bit like an English player being called up because they kinda do okay for one of the top 4 teams.
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Fabian Delph refers.
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Yeah, I mean, I was confident he'd do well but it comes off to me a bit like an English player being called up because they kinda do okay for one of the top 4 teams.
Or West Brom
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If Amavi is getting in the France squad then I will be betting on them not getting out the group phase at the next tournament they qualify for.
Terrible player that we are well shot of.
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If Amavi is getting in the France squad then I will be betting on them not getting out the group phase at the next tournament they qualify for.
Terrible player that we are well shot of.
I'm willing to bet France will win the world cup regardless.
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Apparently his deal is now permanent meaning we will get our cash early. Great if true.
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If it’s true that the game permanent deal for 8.9m has gone through that’ll surely help the FFP and maybe free up a few quid in January if we need a reinforcement or two
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And he was on the team-of-the week. Saw highlights of the game last night, and he had a great tackle on Mbappe almost through on goal.
They will keep him, and we get some of our dosh back.
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If that means we can sign another target man and left back in January, then happy days.
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Left back and pacey, powerhouse midfielder, please.
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How bout that 20M Tone?
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If that means we can sign another target man and left back in January, then happy days.
Not sure it does. Maybe pay for Snodgrass. But I reckon we're close to wire on FFP still
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Jordan Amavi has spoken of his disappointment at not being able to regather his form for Aston Villa before leaving for Marseille.
Amavi suffered an anterior cruciate ligament injury while on international duty in 2015 which ended his maiden season in England.
This frustratingly came after a promising start to his Villa career, but by the time he was ready to return the claret and blues found themselves in the Championship.
Left-back Amavi left Villa for good this summer, heading back to Ligue 1 where he his performances have seen him break into the senior national squad.
But despite this, he looks back on his time at Villa Park with a sense of “what if”.
“To play and not be able to show what I was capable of, with Aston Villa and in the English second division, at that time, it was hard, yes,” Amavi told L’Equipe .
“It was frustrating not to be able to regain all my abilities. I knew I needed almost as much time out with the injury to get back to 100%.
“The coach, Roberto Di Matteo, believed a lot in me. But my body did not respond as before. I couldn’t do the same things: take the ball, go ahead, strike, centre the ball.
Aston Villa's Jordan Amavi during the defeat to Reading
"Wolves were better and it sticks in your throat" - Aston Villa boss Steve Bruce's full post-match transcript
“And then there was a change of coach with the arrival of Steve Bruce. I had a little softening off then, which was normal after I stopped for nine months.
“The coach even thought I had problems at home, when not at all!”
Bruce, who signed Neil Taylor last January, was reluctant to let Amavi go in the window and would have retained him but for the money Marseille offered.
“There’s been talk all summer,” Bruce said after the initial loan deal came about in the summer.
“I want to wish him the best of luck. He’s a smashing pro.
“He had a horrific injury, unfortunately at the wrong time for him.
“Since I’ve been at the club he’s one of those where he’s never been a problem.
“However the money that we’re getting obviously is good business for both parties and we wish him the best of luck.”
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/jordan-amavi-former-aston-villa-13764209