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Title: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on February 23, 2015, 08:13:53 PM
I am more concerned than ever especially than two years ago but it worked last time so I feel duty bound to try and plot our escape again.  Here goes.


Newcastle v Aston Vila - Draw 1 point
Aston Villa v West Brom - Draw 1 point
Sunderland v Aston Villa - Win 3 points
Aston Villa v Swansea    - Win 3 points
Man Utd v Aston Villa   - lose 0 points
Tottenham v Aston Villa - lose 0 points
Aston Villa v QPR - Win 3 points
Man City v Aston Villa   - Lose 0 points
Aston Villa v Everton - Draw 1 point
Aston Villa v West Ham - Draw 1 point
Southampton v Aston Villa - Lose 0 points
Aston Villa v Burnley - Win 3 points

Gives us 38 points.  Enough I think but one hell of a task ill grant you.

Two years ago we had 24 points at this stage of the season and ended on 41.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: ROBBO on February 23, 2015, 08:16:08 PM
Can't see us taking three points off Swansea, at the same time i think 35 points will be enough.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 23, 2015, 08:22:01 PM
I personally think we need to win one of the next two games.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Nastylee on February 23, 2015, 08:42:58 PM
Well, if we get to the end of the WBA game with 0 or 1 point then we might as well switch the lights off and close the door. We need a win from somewhere just to reignite some hope. We're doomed, I tell thee!
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Dave on February 23, 2015, 08:43:39 PM
"Must win" gets thrown around a lot, but if there was one game to point to then it's that QPR game.

If we don't win that one (considering the other games around it) then we really are going to be trouble.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: silhillvilla on February 23, 2015, 09:16:49 PM
Can only see 10 more points . 32 point finish .
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Shrek on February 23, 2015, 09:22:01 PM
I can honestly only see one maybe two wins and two draws at most.

For me this is our year.

It's criminal that Fox and Lerner left it this long to sack Lambert.
Tim is on a hiding to nothing.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: MONCABA on February 23, 2015, 09:23:07 PM
Call me daft but I predict  18 points from our remaining 12 games.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Ads on February 23, 2015, 09:27:26 PM
There is enough points from that lot to best Burnley and QPR.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: nigel on February 23, 2015, 09:38:01 PM
A win vs WBA and Sunderland would bring them back a few notches and might start them on a nervous run.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Jimbo on February 23, 2015, 09:39:52 PM
There are plenty more twists and turns to come yet, and I think we need to think and act positively from now until we're safe. We can do it.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 23, 2015, 09:40:09 PM
We really need 5 or 6 points from the next 4. Do that and we'll be fine. Fail and it's brown trousers time. Obviously i'd like more, but we need at least 5 or 6.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: silhillvilla on February 23, 2015, 09:42:13 PM
April looks absolutely brutal
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Legion on February 23, 2015, 09:44:18 PM
HA! I was just about to start my 'Run-in' thread. Hope this works aswell:

Newcastle v Aston Villa - Draw 1 point
Aston Villa v West Brom - Draw 1 point
Sunderland v Aston Villa - Win 3 points
Aston Villa v Swansea    - Draw 1 point
Man Utd v Aston Villa   - Lose 0 points
Tottenham v Aston Villa - Lose 0 points
Aston Villa v QPR - Win 3 points
Man City v Aston Villa   - Lose 0 points
Aston Villa v Everton - Draw 1 point
Aston Villa v West Ham - Draw 1 point
Southampton v Aston Villa - Lose 0 points
Aston Villa v Burnley - Win 3 points (My original predicted winner takes all to come to fruition)
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Legion on February 23, 2015, 09:45:19 PM
14 more points and Survival Sunday.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 23, 2015, 09:47:53 PM
April looks absolutely brutal

If we get to the semis the QPR game will be moved. No idea to when though.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: silhillvilla on February 23, 2015, 09:52:59 PM
April looks absolutely brutal

If we get to the semis the QPR game will be moved. No idea to when though.
Not sure that makes April any better from a league survival front
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Kingthing on February 23, 2015, 09:55:34 PM
Can't see us taking three points off Swansea, at the same time i think 35 points will be enough.

Can't see us taking 3 points off anybody.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: walsall villain on February 23, 2015, 09:55:57 PM
April looks absolutely brutal
It's that month when you get some unpredictable wins for the strugglers, just hope it's us for once.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on February 23, 2015, 10:04:20 PM
April looks absolutely brutal

IfWhen we get to the semis the QPR game will be moved. No idea to when though.

Fixed. We wouldn't win it if we weren't in the semis, ya daft bugger.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: FranzBiberkopf on February 23, 2015, 10:11:21 PM
I can see us coming away with two defeats and a draw out of our next three games (Newcastle, Albion, Sunderland) and that will knock any little fight we have left in us out for good.

I think we'll do Albion in the cup however.



Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Ads on February 23, 2015, 10:12:11 PM
I predicted 39 points. Win at Newcastle and we will be one ahead of the prediction. If we could string a few results together into the bargain, then that would be huge. 7 from the next three would like lout us three or four clear of QPR and Burnley.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Mister E on February 23, 2015, 10:17:36 PM
The barcodes game is crucial: if we get stuffed there I think it will drain any remaining confidence out of the squad. The reverse is true as well though: get a result and the Sherwood feel-good factor should take flight.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on February 23, 2015, 10:19:53 PM
The barcodes game is crucial: if we get stuffed there I think it will drain any remaining confidence out of the squad. The reverse is true as well though: get a result and the Sherwood feel-good factor should take flight.
This.


And the next 4 games are massive imho!

UTV
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: richtheholtender on February 23, 2015, 10:34:17 PM
Newcastle v Aston Vila - win 3 points
Aston Villa v West Brom - Draw 1 point
Sunderland v Aston Villa - draw 1 point
Aston Villa v Swansea    - Win 3 points
Man Utd v Aston Villa   - lose 0 point
Tottenham v Aston Villa - win 3 points
Aston Villa v QPR - Win 3 points
Man City v Aston Villa   - Lose 0 points
Aston Villa v Everton - lose 0 points
Aston Villa v West Ham - Draw 1 point
Southampton v Aston Villa - Lose 0 points
Aston Villa v Burnley - Win 3 points
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on February 23, 2015, 10:36:19 PM
Looking forward to our first win at spuds since Steve Archibald was a lad Richie.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: richtheholtender on February 23, 2015, 10:37:41 PM
Looking forward to our first win at spuds since Steve Archibald was a lad Richie.


I think Tim will really be up for that one.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: OCD on February 23, 2015, 11:18:27 PM
There's some very winnable games in there but it's difficult to look past how we've been playing recently. Wonders will have to be worked on the training ground to change the way we play.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: supertom on February 24, 2015, 12:05:19 AM
I think our survival rests largely on the next four games. We need to halt the slide first of all. We also need to be looking at clubs on the slide and getting points off them. I'm think Newcastle, Sunderland and also Swansea who have struggled somewhat since Bony left. Likewise I hope we're really up for the West Brom league game. A point in that would be good. If we can pick up a couple of wins in the next four games then it gives us a little leighway going into January.

Then you look at the other remainding games and QPR and Burnley are must wins. I'm not expecting anything from Utd, City, Spurs, Southampton or even Everton despite their poor season. Of late we're horrendous against the Toffees. That said any points from those games would be a bonus.

Anything less than 6 points in the next four and we've just got too much to do.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Hillbilly on February 24, 2015, 01:37:07 AM
Got a horrible feeling QPR would be moved so our last two games are QPR and Burnley and we need to win both to stay up. And don't.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Rigadon on February 24, 2015, 06:15:40 AM
If we can still be in it in the last day I'd take that now. 
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: silhillvilla on February 24, 2015, 07:52:55 AM
I just don't see the fight or desire in our big players . Vlaar ? Benteke ? Delph ? Gabby ?
They've been AWOL most of the season and I don't see that changing
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Witton Warrior on February 24, 2015, 08:09:36 AM
Newcastle v Aston Vila - Draw 1 point
Aston Villa v West Brom - Draw 1 point
Sunderland v Aston Villa - draw 1 point
Aston Villa v Swansea    - Draw 1 point
Man Utd v Aston Villa   - Lose 0 point
Tottenham v Aston Villa - Lose 0 points
Aston Villa v QPR - Win 3 points
Man City v Aston Villa   - Lose 0 points
Aston Villa v Everton - Draw 1 point
Aston Villa v West Ham - Draw 1 point
Southampton v Aston Villa - Lose 0 points
Aston Villa v Burnley - Win 3 points

I just don't see us starting some winning run - when was the last time we won three in a row?

12 points and I had better be wrong
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Damo70 on February 24, 2015, 08:53:36 AM
If we can still be in it in the last day I'd take that now.

When was our last 'last day' survival? 1995? I know we have come close a few times since but haven't we always been safe with at least a game in hand or have I forgotten just how close one of our recent close shaves have been? 1989 was the worst when we finished our games and West Ham had to go and win at Forest and Liverpool, went and beat Forest and then went a goal up at Anfield before losing 5-1.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Fin Feds Dad on February 24, 2015, 08:59:56 AM
Newcastle v Aston Vila - Lose 0 Point
Aston Villa v West Brom - Draw 1 point
Sunderland v Aston Villa - Draw 1 point
Aston Villa v Swansea    - Win 3 points
Man Utd v Aston Villa   - Lose 0 point
Tottenham v Aston Villa - Lose 0 points
Aston Villa v QPR - Draw 1 point
Man City v Aston Villa   - Lose 0 points
Aston Villa v Everton - Draw 1 point
Aston Villa v West Ham - Lose 0 points
Southampton v Aston Villa - Lose 0 points

All over by then

Aston Villa v Burnley - Draw 1 point
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 24, 2015, 09:10:24 AM
We are not done yet but desperate to win soon. I we are in the bottom 3 after the next 4 games we are down.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Dr Butler on February 24, 2015, 09:39:42 AM
a plot to escape ?

we dig three tunnels...Rinder, McGregor and Ramsey....:)

UTV
The Doc
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: AVH87 on February 24, 2015, 09:41:23 AM
Newcastle v Aston Villa - Win 3 points
Aston Villa v West Brom - Lose 0 points
Sunderland v Aston Villa - Draw 1 point
Aston Villa v Swansea    - Draw 1 point
Man Utd v Aston Villa   - lose 0 points
Tottenham v Aston Villa - lose 0 points
Aston Villa v QPR - Win 3 points
Man City v Aston Villa   - Lose 0 points
Aston Villa v Everton - Lose 0 point
Aston Villa v West Ham - Draw 1 point
Southampton v Aston Villa - Lose 0 points
Aston Villa v Burnley - Draw 1 point

Would take us to 32 points, would be at least a win short of safety.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: l_mckay on February 24, 2015, 09:52:20 AM
Newcastle v Aston Vila - Draw 1 point
Aston Villa v West Brom - Draw 1 point
Sunderland v Aston Villa - draw 1 point
Aston Villa v Swansea    - Win 3 points
Man Utd v Aston Villa   - Lose 0 point
Tottenham v Aston Villa - Draw 1 point
Aston Villa v QPR - Win 3 points
Man City v Aston Villa   - Lose 0 points
Aston Villa v Everton - Draw 1 point
Aston Villa v West Ham - Draw 1 point
Southampton v Aston Villa - Lose 0 points
Aston Villa v Burnley - Win 3 points

Just need to get something ASAP to stop the loosing streak. If we can just turn either the Everton or West ham game into a win I think we might just stay up.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: UK Redsox on February 24, 2015, 10:50:49 AM
As individual games, there's a case to be made that Villa could at least get something out of each of them (apart from Man City away).

However, there's an equally good case that can be made for Villa not to get anything out of any of them.

Neither will happen, therefore I'm predicting something in between that will lead to Villa either being relegated or not.

There you go, how about that for in depth analysis.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: ajmant on February 24, 2015, 11:09:13 AM
Sign UK Redsox up to Match of The Day. Perfect analysis......
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: jollyjake on February 24, 2015, 11:39:40 AM
thanks randy,
you,ve left it to late,down we go
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: garyshawsknee on February 24, 2015, 11:48:51 AM
4 wins and 3 draws would probably be good enough to save us and the run in isn't too bad. I know this is stating the bleeding obvious, but until we get that first win it's gonna be tough. Get a flukey win under our belt and the whole mood will change.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: silhillvilla on February 24, 2015, 12:51:32 PM
4 wins in 12 !? Won't happen, what have we got 2 in 25 ??
It would be a monumental turnaround of epic proportions
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Damo70 on February 24, 2015, 12:54:43 PM
4 wins in 12 !? Won't happen, what have we got 2 in 25 ??
It would be a monumental turnaround of epic proportions

This is coming to the time a couple of the teams around the bottom tend to start picking up a few results, even some real shocks.

And if that argument doesn't convince you then......

well, actually that is the only argument I've got.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Ads on February 24, 2015, 01:28:16 PM
4 wins in 12 !? Won't happen, what have we got 2 in 25 ??
It would be a monumental turnaround of epic proportions

Not really. Its only winning 1 in 3 and when you have an unpredictable Newcastle to play, a mid-table Swansea, together with teams around you in West Brom, Sunderland, QPR, Everton and Burnley, four of which are at home suggests it should be a task easily within the capability of the squad.

The trick is starting it off. You need a result that boosts confidence that puts the belief back into the player. A callow looking Newcastle on the back of a real beating, where you know the crowd get twitchy quickly, is an ideal place to start.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: darren woolley on February 24, 2015, 01:40:22 PM
We really need to get some points on board asap the games are running out but fingers crossed we get enough to get us over the line.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Nelly on February 24, 2015, 01:42:56 PM
I think the Stoke game may have come around a touch too quickly for Sherwood to have any huge impact on the way the team plays. Hopefully we see more of his approach in the coming games now that he has his own coaches in place. For me confidence is the main issue. When Benteke was fearless it didn't really matter what style Villa were playing, he created most of his own chances anyway. A little cohesion and a goal or two and we'll be okay I think. (I hope).
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Clampy on February 24, 2015, 01:52:20 PM
I think the Stoke game may have come around a touch too quickly for Sherwood to have any huge impact on the way the team plays. Hopefully we see more of his approach in the coming games now that he has his own coaches in place. For me confidence is the main issue. When Benteke was fearless it didn't really matter what style Villa were playing, he created most of his own chances anyway. A little cohesion and a goal or two and we'll be okay I think. (I hope).

Confidence is the key word for me. Sherwood has taken over a team so lacking in it, it was always possible that we wasn't going to come flying out of the traps against Stoke. If we do win one of our next two games, it'll be interesting to see if he can do what Lambert often failed to do and motivate them to go on a winning run.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on February 24, 2015, 01:52:36 PM
I think the Stoke game may have come around a touch too quickly for Sherwood to have any huge impact on the way the team plays. Hopefully we see more of his approach in the coming games now that he has his own coaches in place.

Sherwood had an huge impact on the way the team played against Stoke, that was the problem.
Hopefully we see his approach change in the coming games now that he has his own coaches in place.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Clampy on February 24, 2015, 01:54:19 PM
I think the Stoke game may have come around a touch too quickly for Sherwood to have any huge impact on the way the team plays. Hopefully we see more of his approach in the coming games now that he has his own coaches in place.

Sherwood had an huge impact on the way the team played against Stoke, that was the problem.

The way we've played all season has been a problem.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: remy on February 24, 2015, 01:55:29 PM
4 wins in 12 !? Won't happen, what have we got 2 in 25 ??
It would be a monumental turnaround of epic proportions

Not really. Its only winning 1 in 3 and when you have an unpredictable Newcastle to play, a mid-table Swansea, together with teams around you in West Brom, Sunderland, QPR, Everton and Burnley, four of which are at home suggests it should be a task easily within the capability of the squad.

The trick is starting it off. You need a result that boosts confidence that puts the belief back into the player. A callow looking Newcastle on the back of a real beating, where you know the crowd get twitchy quickly, is an ideal place to start.

I just wish I could muster the same optimism Ads.

Newcastle - just freshly hammered and need to get back on track - just like Stoke did.
Swansea - just beaten ManUre.
We havent beaten the teams around us other than Leicester and that seems a while ago.

I dont know where the next goal will come from, never mind the next win.

The atrocious play I witnessed vs Stoke doesnt bring any positivity.

Silhill is right, a turnaround of monumental proportions. Gabby not interested, nor is Benteke. Weimann waste of space. Kozak?!  Midfield burntout after 65mins.
Defence calamitous from game to game. Red cards. Hopeless.  Ive resigned to a spell in the championship.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Clampy on February 24, 2015, 01:59:46 PM
And to be honest, I'm not that bothered about the kind of football we play from now until May. Picking up points is the main thing. Unfortunatley, that's what it's come down to.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Des Little on February 24, 2015, 02:03:01 PM
I like the way we've had to put a year in the title of this thread, which is quite right seeing as it's an annual event.  Cheers Randy
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on February 24, 2015, 02:03:42 PM
And to be honest, I'm not that bothered about the kind of football we play from now until May. Picking up points is the main thing. Unfortunatley, that's what it's come down to.

Me neither, Clampy but I'd prefer Sherwood at least gives the team a fighting chance of picking up points.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: silhillvilla on February 24, 2015, 02:43:13 PM
The Stoke game came around too quickly ??
That's a Joke right ? They had half a team out are mid table nothing to play for and were low on confidence after two 4 something batterings.

There was never a better time to play them and we blew it .
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 24, 2015, 02:43:45 PM
And to be honest, I'm not that bothered about the kind of football we play from now until May. Picking up points is the main thing. Unfortunatley, that's what it's come down to.

Completely agree.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: ozzjim on February 24, 2015, 02:45:34 PM
And still only had 1 shot on target. We needed midfield runners not hoof to hope for Gabby and Benteke. Fingers crossed it's lesson learnt
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: silhillvilla on February 24, 2015, 03:34:21 PM
For all Sherwood's bluster and bravado all week the end result was as pathetic as ever , if not worse , throwing away a lead , 2 shots on goal in 97 mins , a red card, shocking tactics , .
Just dire .
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: garyshawsknee on February 24, 2015, 03:41:58 PM
4 wins in 12 !? Won't happen, what have we got 2 in 25 ??
It would be a monumental turnaround of epic proportions

It's pretty simple though,  if we don't have an upturn in form, we get relegated. We need a little run that comes from nowhere, just like we did in Lamberts first season after the Millwall defeat, it was either West Ham at home or QPR. My fear is that our luck has run out and consistently being crap for 5 years has caught up with us.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Dr Butler on February 24, 2015, 03:43:01 PM
For all Sherwood's bluster and bravado all week the end result was as pathetic as ever , if not worse , throwing away a lead , 2 shots on goal in 97 mins , a red card, shocking tactics , .
Just dire .

crikey ???  the blokes only been here a week or two and I agree about it being dire, but give Sherwood and his coaches a chance.

UTV
The Doc
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: silhillvilla on February 24, 2015, 03:56:00 PM
I'm not blaming Sherwood at all
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: supertom on February 24, 2015, 03:57:58 PM
For all Sherwood's bluster and bravado all week the end result was as pathetic as ever , if not worse , throwing away a lead , 2 shots on goal in 97 mins , a red card, shocking tactics , .
Just dire .

crikey ???  the blokes only been here a week or two and I agree about it being dire, but give Sherwood and his coaches a chance.

UTV
The Doc
Not that we were very good at all. But I'm not sure we could blame the red card on tactics. It was an act of rash foolishness from Vlaar who's legs can't hack it at this level and who frankly should never set foot on the pitch in our shirt again.

He had one week to get a look at the squad. He deemed Westwood and TC weren't doing much. He put Sanchez in, who looked terrible. So first and foremost he's got a godawful situation in midfield to sort out. Whilst Delph has been disappointing all season. If he manages to get anything close to a bit of cohesion and quality in the middle, then the man's a genius.

But indeed, lets give him a chance to do it. We had started off alright but as we saw, confidence is wafer thin. We lost Richardson then conceded pretty quickly and never recovered. He's got to get a bit of confidence in these players. By the same token he's also got to bang a few heads together because some of these players are performing pathetically.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Monty on February 24, 2015, 04:01:40 PM
I said before that I don't think we lost because of the tactics, particularly - the back four actually played rather well apart from the two goals conceded, which were moments of stunning incompetence. It's more that the tactics didn't help us win the game, either by being effective in attack or in controlling the match.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Ads on February 24, 2015, 06:12:34 PM
Immense stupidity of Ron Vlaar cost us a point on Saturday. If you can play poorly and not get beat, then that is only a good thing. We were on course to do just that.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Clampy on February 24, 2015, 06:24:28 PM
I'm not blaming Sherwood at all

Then why name Sherwood in your original post?
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Clampy on February 24, 2015, 06:26:12 PM
Immense stupidity of Ron Vlaar cost us a point on Saturday. If you can play poorly and not get beat, then that is only a good thing. We were on course to do just that.

Exactly. No, it wasn't great but that point could have made all the difference come May.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: silhillvilla on February 24, 2015, 06:28:16 PM
I'm not blaming Sherwood at all

Then why name Sherwood in your original post?
Because it's true. He gave it the big one all week "gabby on fire" etc etc . But Sherwood is a victim of circumstance so I don't hold him accountable . The tactic it seems was launch it up to the big man which again I cannot fault him for , benteke looks disinterested and lethargic and that's again not Sherwood's fault .
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Clampy on February 24, 2015, 06:32:29 PM
I'm not blaming Sherwood at all

Then why name Sherwood in your original post?
Because it's true. He gave it the big one all week "gabby on fire" etc etc . But Sherwood is a victim of circumstance so I don't hold him accountable . The tactic it seems was launch it up to the big man which again I cannot fault him for , benteke looks disinterested and lethargic and that's again not Sherwood's fault .

What do you mean he was 'giving it the big one'? What did you want him to say?
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on February 24, 2015, 08:56:40 PM
There's no pressure on us.  Not now we've been sold again provided we stay up.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Des Little on February 24, 2015, 10:56:35 PM
I hope that he's learned that Gabby and Weimann are a waste of time and Bacuna out wide and Sinclair off Benteke represents our best bet of creating something.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: OCD on February 24, 2015, 11:52:09 PM
I would say Bacuna and Sinclair out wide with Gil playing off Benteke.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: silhillvilla on February 25, 2015, 04:51:40 AM
There's no pressure on us.  Not now we've been sold again provided we stay up.
Sold again ?
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on February 25, 2015, 06:56:53 AM
Just more crap in the papers yesterday
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Dr Butler on February 25, 2015, 08:22:14 AM
I'm not blaming Sherwood at all

Then why name Sherwood in your original post?
Because it's true. He gave it the big one all week "gabby on fire" etc etc . But Sherwood is a victim of circumstance so I don't hold him accountable . The tactic it seems was launch it up to the big man which again I cannot fault him for , benteke looks disinterested and lethargic and that's again not Sherwood's fault .

maybe..just maybe Sherwood was trying to instill some confidence into Gabby ?  and Sherwood cannot play and make decisions for the players on the pitch as said earlier the back four apart from the two goals were great...which sadly cost us the game .

UTV
The Doc
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: john e on February 25, 2015, 08:31:33 AM
no one knows if we will go down just yet, but for the first time I think it's 50/50 at best,
That team that played last Saturday with no improvement is a relegation team of that there is no doubt

You can interchange the players which we have done all season and you can play whatever formation you like with the same poor results

So for me the difference between staying up or going down will ultimately depend on two players finding some form which we know thay have, Delph and Benteke,
 they are the two best players in our side and playing to somewhere near their capacity can keep us up,
sadly I reckon if they continue as they are we will go down
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Villa in Denmark on February 25, 2015, 11:12:19 PM
I still think 34 or 35 points will be enough.

Unfortunately I can't see us getting past 33.

Newcastle v Aston Vila          -Draw 1 point
Aston Villa v West Brom       - Draw 1 point
Sunderland v Aston Villa      - Draw 1 points
Aston Villa v Swansea          - Lose 0 points
Man Utd v Aston Villa           - Lose 0 points
Tottenham v Aston Villa       - Lose 0 points
Aston Villa v QPR                 - Win 3 points
Man City v Aston Villa           - Lose 0 points
Aston Villa v Everton             - Draw 1 point
Aston Villa v West Ham         - Draw 1 point
Southampton v Aston Villa   - Lose 0 points
Aston Villa v Burnley             - Win 3 points

Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 26, 2015, 12:43:45 AM
there is no way Villa under Sherwood will go 7 games without a win
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Rigadon on February 26, 2015, 06:57:04 AM
Must get 6 points from the next 3 to have any chance, especially with 2 of our 'relegation rivals' as opponents.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: OCD on February 26, 2015, 11:50:42 AM
I still think 34 or 35 points will be enough.

Unfortunately I can't see us getting past 33.

Newcastle v Aston Vila          -Draw 1 point
Aston Villa v West Brom       - Draw 1 point
Sunderland v Aston Villa      - Draw 1 points
Aston Villa v Swansea          - Lose 0 points
Man Utd v Aston Villa           - Lose 0 points
Tottenham v Aston Villa       - Lose 0 points
Aston Villa v QPR                 - Win 3 points
Man City v Aston Villa           - Lose 0 points
Aston Villa v Everton             - Draw 1 point
Aston Villa v West Ham         - Draw 1 point
Southampton v Aston Villa   - Lose 0 points
Aston Villa v Burnley             - Win 3 points



Knowing how we've been playing, its hard to see where any win will come from. However, the work on the training ground could make us different enough to get one win and then continued effort in training combined with player confidence can change things very quickly. On that basis it's difficult to forecast the rest of the season and that is really our only hope because if nothing changes, we're gone.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on February 26, 2015, 12:58:29 PM
By a law of averages even I cannot see us going 13 games without a win.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: ozzjim on February 26, 2015, 01:11:08 PM
Newcastle v Aston Vila          -Draw 1 point
Aston Villa v West Brom       - Draw 1 point
Sunderland v Aston Villa      - Win 3 points
Aston Villa v Swansea          - Draw 1 points
Man Utd v Aston Villa           - Lose 0 points
Tottenham v Aston Villa       - Draw 1 point
Aston Villa v QPR                 - Win 3 points
Man City v Aston Villa           - Lose 0 points
Aston Villa v Everton             - Draw 1 point
Aston Villa v West Ham         - Win 3 points
Southampton v Aston Villa   - Lose 0 points
Aston Villa v Burnley             - Draw 1 point

15 points, giving us 37 for me.

If we survive on that, we will have been very lucky.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 26, 2015, 02:12:08 PM
Newcastle v Aston Vila          -Draw 1 point
Aston Villa v West Brom       - Draw 1 point
Sunderland v Aston Villa      - Win 3 points
Aston Villa v Swansea          - Draw 1 points
Man Utd v Aston Villa           - Lose 0 points
Tottenham v Aston Villa       - Draw 1 point
Aston Villa v QPR                 - Win 3 points
Man City v Aston Villa           - Lose 0 points
Aston Villa v Everton             - Draw 1 point
Aston Villa v West Ham         - Win 3 points
Southampton v Aston Villa   - Lose 0 points
Aston Villa v Burnley             - Draw 1 point

15 points, giving us 37 for me.

If we survive on that, we will have been very lucky.

I'd take that, but I see no hope of us getting a draw at Spurs. It's very important we don't lose to Newcastle.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: ozzjim on February 27, 2015, 12:21:00 AM
I think Spurs is the one game that we will run through walls for a point. If they have won the league cup, they could be on the beach too. IF!
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Hillbilly on February 27, 2015, 02:06:45 AM
Things to consider:
Our last league point was 1 January in a 0-0 vs Crystal Palace.
We are the only team not to have recorded a win in our last 10 matches.
Our last wins were in the first week of December against the miserably bad Leicester and Crystal Palace.
Before that, you have to go back to mid-September for the previous win.
We've scored 13 goals in totals. 13! Arsenal and Chelsea between them have scored 13 against us.
And only scored 2 in a match twice, against the abysmal Leicester and Hull.

This, ladies and gentlemen, is the Titanic. The deckchairs have been rearranged, the plebs have been locked in steerage and the band is tuning up for one last song.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on February 27, 2015, 03:33:08 AM
That's the spirit.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Allan C on February 27, 2015, 07:58:26 AM
Sadly, I can only see us winning 2 of the last games. We have finally run out of teams who are worse than us which was enivitable eventually and with "Championship class" players, that is where we are heading. And God I hope I'm wrong
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Hillbilly on February 27, 2015, 08:22:23 AM
That's the facts.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: silhillvilla on February 27, 2015, 08:55:26 AM
We need to see a fighting spirit from the players . I'm not sure it's in them
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Villa in Denmark on February 27, 2015, 08:56:56 AM
I don't think we've got a team of championship players, but we've got a team that's had every last drop of confidence and self-belief leeched out of them by Lambert over the last 12 months. (Something definitely happened after the home win over Chelsea last season, the form went to shit and a few weeks later Bids& Cones II were gone.)

Unfortunately I don't think Sherwood's brand of personal exuberance is what's needed. It needed someone experienced to come in and tell the players that "it's going to be OK because this is what we're going to do, and I know this works because I've been here before" to instil some confidence

It needs a back to basics, nothing too fancy game plan, that utilises the players we've got to our best advantage, and that isn't Sherwood's preferred 442 at the moment (Based on what he did at Spurs, plus the Stoke set-up.

The squad is geared to either 433 or 4231, and the problems with our "attacking" play, apart from being slower than a 3 legged diplodocus have been
1.) the lack of support around Benteke when the ball is, we'll be be polite and call it played long.
2.) the lack of midfielders making runs beyond the front line to stop the opposition being able to rely everything being played in front of them.
3.) the lack of width in the attacking play, which means that there is limited chance to attack a ball played into the box by getting across a defender from behind.

442 will potentially solve no.3, but only if you've got a least 1 quality winger.
Unfortunately with our current squad, 442 will pretty much guarantee that no.1 and no.2 never happen and we end up being just as predictable and easy to defend against, entirely reliant on one moment of individual brilliance.  Just like MON but with inferior players.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: silhillvilla on February 27, 2015, 09:02:57 AM
We just don't create enough. If we have more than 2 shots on target tomorrow that will be good by our standards .
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Drummond on February 27, 2015, 09:45:15 AM
It's shame we are away this weekend, the coaching staff have had a bit if time together with the players and that tied with a home crowd may have been enough. As I see it, we are, yet again, playing a team that really needs to bounce back following a caning.

Fingers crossed.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: itbrvilla on February 27, 2015, 09:53:16 AM
We just don't create enough. If we have more than 2 shots on target tomorrow that will be good by our standards .
Think I read somewhere that there are 9 shots per goal in the PL, 3 of which are on target.  Couple that with the fact that most of our shots are speculative shots probably means we need more than 9 shots on goal to get 3 on target.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Tuscans on February 27, 2015, 10:57:29 AM
Anyone else noticed how he keeps calling a "throw in" a "throw on", or am I getting lost in his cockney.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Marton on February 27, 2015, 11:40:17 AM
Think we will get exactly 12 points at home. On paper it would be WB, Swansea, QPR and Burnley but we probably botch one game and find a surprise win in another (like Everton maybe). But 12 at home it will (and has to be).

Drawing on the premise that 37 points will be enough we then need to find 3 on there road. Likely that has to be Newcastle or Sunderland....maaaaybe Hammers. Or else we are screwed.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 27, 2015, 11:51:28 AM
We simply have to show we are more desperate to win than a Newcastle side that are now playing to see out the season. Realistically on form they are not going to break into a Europa League spot so are essentially rooted to mid table. If we cannot show more passion than them given our circumstances we deserve what we end up with. Based on that alone we should be winning this game.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: ozzjim on February 27, 2015, 12:49:53 PM
Trouble is hitting them on the back of them getting smashed at City is the worst time. A draw would be a great result this weekend. And playing 4-4-2 away won't work, which I hope the Sheriff is aware of.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: john e on February 27, 2015, 12:58:50 PM
We simply have to show we are more desperate to win than a Newcastle side that are now playing to see out the season. Realistically on form they are not going to break into a Europa League spot so are essentially rooted to mid table. If we cannot show more passion than them given our circumstances we deserve what we end up with. Based on that alone we should be winning this game.

we said this about Stoke though, they were supposed to be playing for nothing and with loads of injuries,
I'm not hopefull
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 27, 2015, 01:05:03 PM
Trouble is hitting them on the back of them getting smashed at City is the worst time. A draw would be a great result this weekend. And playing 4-4-2 away won't work, which I hope the Sheriff is aware of.

they might be saying the same thing though. I know if we were playing a side that had lost 6 straight, we'd be all saying they are due a win and it will just typical if it came against us.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 27, 2015, 01:08:56 PM
We simply have to show we are more desperate to win than a Newcastle side that are now playing to see out the season. Realistically on form they are not going to break into a Europa League spot so are essentially rooted to mid table. If we cannot show more passion than them given our circumstances we deserve what we end up with. Based on that alone we should be winning this game.

we said this about Stoke though, they were supposed to be playing for nothing and with loads of injuries,
I'm not hopefull

you're right, but barring an horrendous error that game should have petered out to at worst a draw which while not perfect would have been ok. Off course I realize that's not how it works. We do need to show more desire and hopefully a week of reality kicking in will have given Sherwood plenty of food for thought. He only needs look back at some of the games from this weekend let alone vs Stoke to identify where the issues lie. I hope he decides to shake things up a little and really just go for it this weekend. Play Grealish, drop Gabby, play Lowton even to supply Benteke. i don't know the answer but it has to be something relatively new and ultimately different to what we've doing.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Ads on February 27, 2015, 01:13:27 PM
Playing a side that has just been twatted is the best time to play them, especially if you can score first.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: myf on February 27, 2015, 01:16:20 PM
I'd revert to counter attacking, especially in away fixtures.  It worked in our first season under Lambert and we've got essentially the same players.

I always think back to the performances at Anfield in the previous 2 seasons when we looked brilliant, controlled the game and created loads of chances.  I know Gabby has lost his pace but with Delph, Gil, Bacuna, Benteke and Wieman it can still work.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: ozzjim on February 27, 2015, 01:17:55 PM
Playing a side that has just been twatted is the best time to play them, especially if you can score first.

Stoke game proved that theory
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Ads on February 27, 2015, 01:27:07 PM
Stoke were awful and lucky to get more than a point. I fail to see how having your confidence shattered the previous week by a mauling gears you up to turn somebody over so certainly the next.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: supertom on February 27, 2015, 01:35:15 PM
Stoke were awful and lucky to get more than a point. I fail to see how having your confidence shattered the previous week by a mauling gears you up to turn somebody over so certainly the next.
Newcastle also look like a side who could always go on a half decent run, but by the same token a pretty shit run. That was par for the course with Pardew. I think they're in a rut at the moment, so we need to take advantage.
Stoke on the other hand are a very solid club. Reliable. If they get twonked one week, you'd expect a good reaction soon to stop any potential rot. The Toon are a side who could quite easily go 5-10 without a win.

We've got to be getting points off Newcastle and Sunderland in the upcoming games. They're both all over the shop at the moment. And granted no ones in a bigger state than we are at the minute, but we've still got that glimmar of hope for a new manager bounce.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 27, 2015, 01:46:20 PM
I said this about Stoke after the defeat that between Pulis and Hughes they have created a club where there is pretty good depth. With some teams after the first 11-15 squad players it thins out pretty quick. With Stoke they are not great 1-11, but the drop off isn't significant if they get a few injuries or suspensions. They play to a system they are confident with and even with a few players missing the replacements seem to slot in relatively seamlessly.

With Newcastle you sometimes feel that outside the first team, and if the confidence goes they can fold pretty quickly. When they are confident they can be a match for anyone so I certainly think we have a good chance of getting a result if we go at them early and get the first goal.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: MoetVillan on February 27, 2015, 03:51:37 PM
Get the first goal?  Not something we have covered ourselves with glory in this season
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Musicmaan on February 27, 2015, 04:19:27 PM
We simply have to show we are more desperate to win than a Newcastle side that are now playing to see out the season. Realistically on form they are not going to break into a Europa League spot so are essentially rooted to mid table. If we cannot show more passion than them given our circumstances we deserve what we end up with. Based on that alone we should be winning this game.

we said this about Stoke though, they were supposed to be playing for nothing and with loads of injuries,
I'm not hopefull

Truth is, all of these sides that otherwise have nothing to play for (managers and players alike) would love to see Villa get relegated. That alone is kind of a big deal to them and enough to motivate them against us.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: dave.woodhall on February 27, 2015, 04:23:08 PM
We simply have to show we are more desperate to win than a Newcastle side that are now playing to see out the season. Realistically on form they are not going to break into a Europa League spot so are essentially rooted to mid table. If we cannot show more passion than them given our circumstances we deserve what we end up with. Based on that alone we should be winning this game.

we said this about Stoke though, they were supposed to be playing for nothing and with loads of injuries,
I'm not hopefull

Truth is, all of these sides that otherwise have nothing to play for (managers and players alike) would love to see Villa get relegated. That alone is kind of a big deal to them and enough to motivate them against us.

Why?
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 27, 2015, 04:24:44 PM
We simply have to show we are more desperate to win than a Newcastle side that are now playing to see out the season. Realistically on form they are not going to break into a Europa League spot so are essentially rooted to mid table. If we cannot show more passion than them given our circumstances we deserve what we end up with. Based on that alone we should be winning this game.

we said this about Stoke though, they were supposed to be playing for nothing and with loads of injuries,
I'm not hopefull

Truth is, all of these sides that otherwise have nothing to play for (managers and players alike) would love to see Villa get relegated. That alone is kind of a big deal to them and enough to motivate them against us.

these are professional footballers not fans. I would bet they don't give a damn who goes down as long as it isn't them.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Musicmaan on February 27, 2015, 04:28:41 PM
We simply have to show we are more desperate to win than a Newcastle side that are now playing to see out the season. Realistically on form they are not going to break into a Europa League spot so are essentially rooted to mid table. If we cannot show more passion than them given our circumstances we deserve what we end up with. Based on that alone we should be winning this game.

we said this about Stoke though, they were supposed to be playing for nothing and with loads of injuries,
I'm not hopefull

Truth is, all of these sides that otherwise have nothing to play for (managers and players alike) would love to see Villa get relegated. That alone is kind of a big deal to them and enough to motivate them against us.

Why?

Just is, isn't it? One of only a few ever present PL teams, one of the biggest names in the history of English football. Who wouldn't love to see them go down, rather than a newly promoted side?
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Musicmaan on February 27, 2015, 04:31:29 PM
We simply have to show we are more desperate to win than a Newcastle side that are now playing to see out the season. Realistically on form they are not going to break into a Europa League spot so are essentially rooted to mid table. If we cannot show more passion than them given our circumstances we deserve what we end up with. Based on that alone we should be winning this game.

we said this about Stoke though, they were supposed to be playing for nothing and with loads of injuries,
I'm not hopefull

Truth is, all of these sides that otherwise have nothing to play for (managers and players alike) would love to see Villa get relegated. That alone is kind of a big deal to them and enough to motivate them against us.

these are professional footballers not fans. I would bet they don't give a damn who goes down as long as it isn't them.

A good chunk of the players, yes, but the players, particularly the British  crop are well aware of what it would mean to see a name like Villa go down. It's the same reason why so called 'giant killing' in the cups is a big deal isn't it?
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: silhillvilla on February 27, 2015, 04:35:27 PM
& how many British players are likely to start for AntnDec FC tomorrow ?
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 27, 2015, 04:36:43 PM
There's a big difference between a bunch players playing a club a few divisions higher in a cup competition and if they win it will be a high point of their career, and the players and manager of Swansea loving seeing the Villa relegated.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: dave.woodhall on February 27, 2015, 04:37:08 PM
We simply have to show we are more desperate to win than a Newcastle side that are now playing to see out the season. Realistically on form they are not going to break into a Europa League spot so are essentially rooted to mid table. If we cannot show more passion than them given our circumstances we deserve what we end up with. Based on that alone we should be winning this game.

we said this about Stoke though, they were supposed to be playing for nothing and with loads of injuries,
I'm not hopefull

Truth is, all of these sides that otherwise have nothing to play for (managers and players alike) would love to see Villa get relegated. That alone is kind of a big deal to them and enough to motivate them against us.

Why?

Just is, isn't it? One of only a few ever present PL teams, one of the biggest names in the history of English football. Who wouldn't love to see them go down, rather than a newly promoted side?

I don't think anyone really cares, to be honest.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Musicmaan on February 27, 2015, 04:40:15 PM
& how many British players are likely to start for AntnDec FC tomorrow ?

Do we stay up if we win tomorrow? 😊

Hey, it was a minor observation in response to the theory that teams having nothing to play for somehow goes in our favour.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Musicmaan on February 27, 2015, 04:43:49 PM
There's a big difference between a bunch players playing a club a few divisions higher in a cup competition and if they win it will be a high point of their career, and the players and manager of Swansea loving seeing the Villa relegated.

You don't think it would give Mark Hughes (for example) any personal or professional pride to comfortably keep Stoke in the division and watch someone like Villa go down?

As I said above, it was basically a suggestion to counter the theory that teams having nothing to play for helps our cause, which it doesn't.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 27, 2015, 04:47:52 PM
I doubt it. Finishing say, 9th, with Stoke probably will give him pride. It won't matter to him where Villa are in the league.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: silhillvilla on February 27, 2015, 04:49:24 PM
I think it boils down to individual players rather than teams at this stage of the season for mid-table going nowhere sides .
Players playing for a move, a new deal, international recognition , more game time / fringe player , etc etc .
Ultimately antndec FC will have 50,000 there scrutinising them so we can expect no favours anyway we just need to rely on them being shitter than us.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Musicmaan on February 27, 2015, 04:53:02 PM
I doubt it. Finishing say, 9th, with Stoke probably will give him pride. It won't matter to him where Villa are in the league.

That's a fair point. I'll get me coat...
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Musicmaan on February 27, 2015, 04:55:41 PM
...we just need to rely on them being shitter than us.

Ah well... 😞
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 27, 2015, 05:09:49 PM
I doubt it. Finishing say, 9th, with Stoke probably will give him pride. It won't matter to him where Villa are in the league.

That's a fair point. I'll get me coat...

on the whole pros don't have loyalty like we have to our clubs and neither are they that bothered about what happens around them as long as they aren't affect personally or more specifically financially. Not saying over time pros don't develop an affinity for a certain city or team, but thats generally revealed once they retire. Fans live and breathe it so if Villa went downI'm sure some Newcastle fans would love it especially if they beat us and it helped along the way. The players, most foreign in that team are paying their win bonuses.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Clampy on February 27, 2015, 09:31:30 PM
There's a big difference between a bunch players playing a club a few divisions higher in a cup competition and if they win it will be a high point of their career, and the players and manager of Swansea loving seeing the Villa relegated.

You don't think it would give Mark Hughes (for example) any personal or professional pride to comfortably keep Stoke in the division and watch someone like Villa go down?

No. As long as he does he does a good job with Stoke, he probably dosen't care who goes down.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Nastylee on February 28, 2015, 08:22:48 AM
If we are still winless come Tuesday night that'll be three of the winnable games gone. Hopes of a Sherwood renaissance will be extinguished and the maps to unvisited grounds will need downloading.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on February 28, 2015, 04:56:06 PM
It's not going to work this season is it.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: TheMalandro on February 28, 2015, 04:56:49 PM
three teams shitter than us. It might just be possible.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: David_Nab on February 28, 2015, 04:57:30 PM
If we are still winless come Tuesday night that'll be three of the winnable games gone. Hopes of a Sherwood renaissance will be extinguished and the maps to unvisited grounds will need downloading.

Agreed ..

Not sure he was right man for the job and it's not looking good so far.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Le Lapin on February 28, 2015, 04:58:26 PM
We had better hope that there are three worse teams than us and we somehow pick a draw here and there.  We are down if not. Terrible team. Mentally brittle.  The likes of Gabby need to be sold. Not good enough for a good few seasons. He's has flattered to decieve since he broke into the team. The likes of Gabby should be setting an example of how much this club means to him.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Villa in Denmark on February 28, 2015, 05:24:58 PM
We had better hope that there are three worse teams than us and we somehow pick a draw here and there.  We are down if not. Terrible team. Mentally brittle.  The likes of Gabby need to be sold. Not good enough for a good few seasons. He's has flattered to decieve since he broke into the team. The likes of Gabby should be setting an example of how much this club means to him.

What makes you think he isn't showing us exactly what it means to him.

He was fine whilst all was going well under MON, since when every time we've needed players like him to step up and show what they can do when it matters he goes missing.  It's no coincidence that the more trouble we're in the worse his performances get.  Mentally brittle and too interested in the paycheck, like too many of this squad.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: itbrvilla on February 28, 2015, 05:45:45 PM
three teams shitter than us. It might just be possible.
Really? Who?
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Deano's Mullet on February 28, 2015, 05:48:43 PM
The end of season DVD will be interesting the season, it will probably only be about 20 mins long and have the usual propaganda on the cover of how we bravely fought to avoid the drop and how the signs are encouraging for the future.honestly, I can't remember a more desperate season as a villa fan. Even with relegation battles before there were some highlights and even goals. These players have given up already.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: curiousorange on February 28, 2015, 05:49:46 PM
I don't think we'll get out of it now, but what's frustrating is how easy it all looks from a Villa point of view. I'm not saying two wins would be enough, but imagine winning the next two matches with teams around us losing? Things in the garden would look very rosy indeed.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 28, 2015, 06:35:26 PM
It stops this week. We will beat West Brom and start our recovery.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: curiousorange on February 28, 2015, 06:38:47 PM
We need a win. I don't think solitary points will be enough. I don't mind losing the odd game that we ought to lose on paper, but a win - any win - is imperative.

Fuck it, I'm off to the cathedral to light a candle tomorrow.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: itbrvilla on February 28, 2015, 07:23:26 PM
Don't fancy our chances if it comes down to final game.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Smirker on February 28, 2015, 07:26:08 PM
West Brom (H)
Sunderland (A)
Swansea (H)
Man Utd (A)
Tottenham (A)
QPR (H)
Man City (A)
Everton (H)
West Ham (H)
Southampton (A)
Burnley (H)

I've bolded the matches I think we will lose. That leaves five we will probably need to win all of, or at the very least four. Four wins and a draw would leave us on 35 pts, we'd be lucky to stay up on that.

I can't see any other scenario than us going down.

That pathetic run over Christmas where we failed to score a single goal in the 'easy' matches against teams around us has probably done us.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on February 28, 2015, 07:46:29 PM
The end of season DVD - Jesus pity the poor person who has to put that together.  I reckon it will be an hour and a half on our first four games.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: john e on February 28, 2015, 07:50:39 PM
The end of season DVD - Jesus pity the poor person who has to put that together.  I reckon it will be an hour and a half on our first four games.


cert 18
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: McGraths Dry Cleaning on February 28, 2015, 07:58:14 PM
All our relegation rivals lost today - not saying its not a dreadful situation but its not over yet...........
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on February 28, 2015, 08:01:01 PM
All our relegation rivals lost today - not saying its not a dreadful situation but its not over yet...........

Bit of good news.

I still resent we have had to use the words "relegation rivals" every goddamn year recently though.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Jon Crofts on February 28, 2015, 08:01:29 PM
Don't fancy our chances if it comes down to final game.

I'd take that scenario right now thanks and we'd win with ease.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: FrankyH on February 28, 2015, 08:04:05 PM
The end of season DVD - Jesus pity the poor person who has to put that together.  I reckon it will be an hour and a half on our first four games.


cert 18

Snuff Movie , I can see the sunday mercury headline now.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: MONCABA on February 28, 2015, 08:17:39 PM
Until its mathematically impossible  for us to stay up,  I'm  keeping the faith.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Tom_Mc9? on February 28, 2015, 08:25:17 PM
Until its mathematically impossible  for us to stay up,  I'm  keeping the faith.

Pah, I'm optimismed out. It's done me no good in the last few years.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: garyfouroaks on February 28, 2015, 08:38:07 PM
We're doomed.

Sherwood is doomed.

We are all doomed.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: rob_bridge on February 28, 2015, 08:38:16 PM
West Brom (H)
Sunderland (A)
Swansea (H)
Man Utd (A)
Tottenham (A)
QPR (H)
Man City (A)
Everton (H)
West Ham (H)
Southampton (A)
Burnley (H)

I've bolded the matches I think we will lose. That leaves five we will probably need to win all of, or at the very least four. Four wins and a draw would leave us on 35 pts, we'd be lucky to stay up on that.

I can't see any other scenario than us going down.

That pathetic run over Christmas where we failed to score a single goal in the 'easy' matches against teams around us has probably done us.

I think 34 dependent on GD will be enough this year. I cant see us gettibg them. We'll lose to Albion but have half a chance v Mackems.

we need to srart scoring.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Ads on February 28, 2015, 08:39:59 PM
We'll beat Sunderland, we always do at their place.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: rob_bridge on February 28, 2015, 08:42:09 PM
Until its mathematically impossible  for us to stay up,  I'm  keeping the faith.

Pah, I'm optimismed out. It's done me no good in the last few years.

There are 3 other dire teams. Difference is theycreate and score more chances than we do
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: MONCABA on February 28, 2015, 08:43:55 PM
Until its mathematically impossible  for us to stay up,  I'm  keeping the faith.

Pah, I'm optimismed out. It's done me no good in the last few years.
Yeah,  but we managed to stay up in the last few years. Keep the faith.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Yossarian on February 28, 2015, 08:54:16 PM
Only Superman can save us now.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Le Lapin on February 28, 2015, 08:59:48 PM
We are going to have really up our game to keep ahead of the so called "three worse teams than us". Other teams around us include us in the "three worse teams than us" group. We should have pulled the trigger on Lambert last May. I fear it could be too late for this lot. They will have the relegation escape clauses in their contracts to comfort them.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: ozzjim on February 28, 2015, 09:00:39 PM
Strangely, watching today, even in defeat, I felt more confident than I did last week, or during the Hull game.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: itbrvilla on February 28, 2015, 09:06:05 PM
They will have the relegation escape clauses in their contracts to comfort them.
You would of thought so, but with this lot running the club i wouldn't be surprised if they hadn't.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: supertom on February 28, 2015, 09:07:31 PM
I actually think we might need to go down.
Take a nuke to this side, flog off the stars who will undoubtedly move, then flush out the wasters and the ever increasing amount of sunk headed fucking losers.

Four years of repeated kicks in the balls now. It's getting to the fans and it has infected the players who've been here the whole time, and quickly infects those players we bring in. Cleverley started reasonably well and turned absolutely shit. See also Cissokho, Luna, Sylla, Westwood, Lowton, Benteke now. The list goes on.

If we do survive then what? The cycle repeats and we merely delay the inevitable. It's going to happen under Lerner. No two ways about it. The sooner it does, the sooner we can rebuild.

I'm becoming increasingly resigned to the fact that going down might be the jolt we need. Rebuild with our youngsters. Buy in some hard working and hungry players who can help us first stabilise in the Championship (so we don't double drop) and then try to rebuild in the next couple of years and hopefully come up as a more cohesive unit as Newcastle and West Ham did.

Losing and giving up is so ingrained in our squad that genuinely I think the only way to move forward is to yank the fucking flush and start again. Gardner is seemingly having a good end to the season and impacting in the championship. Bring him back into the fold and get rid of Westwood who is a waste of space. Delph can go or he can stay and fight and help bring us back. The backline should be okay in the middle. Guzan may stay but Given is more than adequate for the Champ. We buy a forward who scores at Champ level or who could make a step up from L1. We build around some of the more promising youngsters like Grealish and Robinson too. And would Sherwood perhaps want to keep Bent on (reduced wages of course)? There won't be many Prem takers for Darren, but he's proved he's got goals in him at Champ level. 2 year deal perhaps.

Perhaps too it'll be the absolute final straw that sees Randy bugger off. Perhaps he'd give lower the price enough to tempt someone into buying a sleeping giant. We just have to hope Fox (if he stayed), or whoever has the where-withal to avoid Chicken farmers and the like.

We're a pox on this league. We need to be wiped from it, for our own good.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: itbrvilla on February 28, 2015, 09:09:05 PM
I actually think we might need to go down.
Take a nuke to this side, flog off the stars who will undoubtedly move, then flush out the wasters and the ever increasing amount of sunk headed fucking losers.

Four years of repeated kicks in the balls now. It's getting to the fans and it has infected the players who've been here the whole time, and quickly infects those players we bring in. Cleverley started reasonably well and turned absolutely shit. See also Cissokho, Luna, Sylla, Westwood, Lowton, Benteke now. The list goes on.

If we do survive then what? The cycle repeats and we merely delay the inevitable. It's going to happen under Lerner. No two ways about it. The sooner it does, the sooner we can rebuild.

I'm becoming increasingly resigned to the fact that going down might be the jolt we need. Rebuild with our youngsters. Buy in some hard working and hungry players who can help us first stabilise in the Championship (so we don't double drop) and then try to rebuild in the next couple of years and hopefully come up as a more cohesive unit as Newcastle and West Ham did.

Losing and giving up is so ingrained in our squad that genuinely I think the only way to move forward is to yank the fucking flush and start again. Gardner is seemingly having a good end to the season and impacting in the championship. Bring him back into the fold and get rid of Westwood who is a waste of space. Delph can go or he can stay and fight and help bring us back. The backline should be okay in the middle. Guzan may stay but Given is more than adequate for the Champ. We buy a forward who scores at Champ level or who could make a step up from L1. We build around some of the more promising youngsters like Grealish and Robinson too. And would Sherwood perhaps want to keep Bent on (reduced wages of course)? There won't be many Prem takers for Darren, but he's proved he's got goals in him at Champ level. 2 year deal perhaps.

Perhaps too it'll be the absolute final straw that sees Randy bugger off. Perhaps he'd give lower the price enough to tempt someone into buying a sleeping giant. We just have to hope Fox (if he stayed), or whoever has the where-withal to avoid Chicken farmers and the like.

We're a pox on this league. We need to be wiped from it, for our own good.
Aren't our current crop of youngsters a bit shit?
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: FranzBiberkopf on February 28, 2015, 09:09:55 PM
Let's get this straight now - they are NOT three worse teams than us. We are where we should be.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Ads on February 28, 2015, 09:11:34 PM
At this point there is one side worse than us and another two equally as bad.

Worse run in 52 years, 7 defeats on the spin, manager waiting for his first win... local derby next.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Jon Crofts on February 28, 2015, 09:12:43 PM
Let's get this straight now - they are NOT three worse teams than us. We are where we should be.

Statistically we are one of the worst teams in the land, how anyone can say there are 3 worse teams is beyond me.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: hilts_coolerking on February 28, 2015, 09:13:04 PM
I'm becoming increasingly resigned to the fact that going down might be the jolt we need. Rebuild with our youngsters. Buy in some hard working and hungry players
No more youngsters.  No more hungry players.  Even if we did go up we'd need to start all over again, a) because our youngsters generally turn out to be not good enough for the Prem, and b) because we tried the young and hungry route for three years and it doesn't work.

We should buy the very best we can afford and persuade to come.  If we must have youngsters and / or hungry players get them in on loan from somewhere good.

If the last three (or more) years have told us anything it's that what you need to compete in the Prem is skill.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Ads on February 28, 2015, 09:14:55 PM
On the subject of youngsters, the finish from Gardner was brilliant. He just biffs it.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: supertom on February 28, 2015, 09:14:58 PM
I actually think we might need to go down.
Take a nuke to this side, flog off the stars who will undoubtedly move, then flush out the wasters and the ever increasing amount of sunk headed fucking losers.

Four years of repeated kicks in the balls now. It's getting to the fans and it has infected the players who've been here the whole time, and quickly infects those players we bring in. Cleverley started reasonably well and turned absolutely shit. See also Cissokho, Luna, Sylla, Westwood, Lowton, Benteke now. The list goes on.

If we do survive then what? The cycle repeats and we merely delay the inevitable. It's going to happen under Lerner. No two ways about it. The sooner it does, the sooner we can rebuild.

I'm becoming increasingly resigned to the fact that going down might be the jolt we need. Rebuild with our youngsters. Buy in some hard working and hungry players who can help us first stabilise in the Championship (so we don't double drop) and then try to rebuild in the next couple of years and hopefully come up as a more cohesive unit as Newcastle and West Ham did.

Losing and giving up is so ingrained in our squad that genuinely I think the only way to move forward is to yank the fucking flush and start again. Gardner is seemingly having a good end to the season and impacting in the championship. Bring him back into the fold and get rid of Westwood who is a waste of space. Delph can go or he can stay and fight and help bring us back. The backline should be okay in the middle. Guzan may stay but Given is more than adequate for the Champ. We buy a forward who scores at Champ level or who could make a step up from L1. We build around some of the more promising youngsters like Grealish and Robinson too. And would Sherwood perhaps want to keep Bent on (reduced wages of course)? There won't be many Prem takers for Darren, but he's proved he's got goals in him at Champ level. 2 year deal perhaps.

Perhaps too it'll be the absolute final straw that sees Randy bugger off. Perhaps he'd give lower the price enough to tempt someone into buying a sleeping giant. We just have to hope Fox (if he stayed), or whoever has the where-withal to avoid Chicken farmers and the like.

We're a pox on this league. We need to be wiped from it, for our own good.
Aren't our current crop of youngsters a bit shit?

I think our problem has been that Lambert bought in too many youngsters from other clubs rather than try to bed in some of our own.
I would fancy Grealish at Champ level. Robinson may do well as an impact player. Johnson could go either way. Gardner seems to be doing well. Bennett looks like he's improving at that level.
I think the idea should be to ease 2-3 new young players in next season. West Ham brought 1-2 through but also made astute signings like Kevin Nolan.

We've got to get that balance. A bit of grit and graft. But also 2-3 players who are tidy on the ball so we can begin changing the footballing culture at the club as Derby seem to be doing under McLaren.
 
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: supertom on February 28, 2015, 09:19:29 PM
I'm becoming increasingly resigned to the fact that going down might be the jolt we need. Rebuild with our youngsters. Buy in some hard working and hungry players
No more youngsters.  No more hungry players.  Even if we did go up we'd need to start all over again, a) because our youngsters generally turn out to be not good enough for the Prem, and b) because we tried the young and hungry route for three years and it doesn't work.

We should buy the very best we can afford and persuade to come.  If we must have youngsters and / or hungry players get them in on loan from somewhere good.

If the last three (or more) years have told us anything it's that what you need to compete in the Prem is skill.
That's true, but much depends on what we can afford. I honestly wouldn't fancy many of the returning loanees for example. The likes of Tonev and Sylla still have to go.

I think we'll probably be looking at needing 10-11 signings if we go down. We'll lose about 4-5 sellable assets who will want out. Then we'll be left with about 7-8 who we want to shift but won't attract buyers.

Whilst our academy isn't brilliant and we don't appear to be bringing through Prem quality, I would hope that we've got 3-4 Champ quality players coming through. Ultimately that's what I'm talking about because I don't think we will stay up. If we did we'd go again next season with more or less the same group, who are just a bunch of stinking loses. They reek of it.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: supertom on February 28, 2015, 09:20:57 PM
At this point there is one side worse than us and another two equally as bad.

Worse run in 52 years, 7 defeats on the spin, manager waiting for his first win... local derby next.
Leicester's performances aren't that dreadful either. They always work hard but desperately lack in quality and their defence falls apart. They've got more heart than we do though. I can see them winning again before we do.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: TopDeck113 on February 28, 2015, 09:26:18 PM
I think there's a lot of truth in what you say, supertom.   God knows I don't want the ignominy of relegation, but what will survival mean? The same as the last few seasons: another season of struggle.  It's easy to speculate, but if we'd gone under McLeish, I reckon we could have genuinely done the "young and hungry" thing in the Championship and would probably be back up or at least chasing promotion with a team that would be doing the club proud.  I'd even go so far as to say that Lambert may have done a very good job for us in that scenario,  As it is the malaise has had even longer to set in, and I reckon that will make a quick turnaround much harder. 
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Ads on February 28, 2015, 09:26:37 PM
I don't.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: silhillvilla on February 28, 2015, 09:34:15 PM
I think we can win our next 4 games .
Tuesday is the key
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: supertom on February 28, 2015, 09:56:15 PM
I think there's a lot of truth in what you say, supertom.   God knows I don't want the ignominy of relegation, but what will survival mean? The same as the last few seasons: another season of struggle.  It's easy to speculate, but if we'd gone under McLeish, I reckon we could have genuinely done the "young and hungry" thing in the Championship and would probably be back up or at least chasing promotion with a team that would be doing the club proud.  I'd even go so far as to say that Lambert may have done a very good job for us in that scenario,  As it is the malaise has had even longer to set in, and I reckon that will make a quick turnaround much harder. 
If the Footballing God's are smiling upon us we'll get a new owner who genuinely wants to build something and in the right way.

I don't want relegation either. I'd never want it, but I'm just sensing it might be the only thing to light a rocket underneath Randy's backside.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: OCD on February 28, 2015, 11:39:46 PM
Relegation doesn't achieve anything. I don't believe this thing about if we stayed up, the cycle would continue. The fans have had enough, there's a new manager who must realise the depth of problems and even at boardroom there must be a few home truths being realised (just later than they should have). Added to that the financial situation appears to have been addressed (unless we go down) and there's good things happening behind the scenes. It's just unfortunate for us that they've forgotten that first and foremost, we are a football club. There's always hope of a takeover - that may be a long shot but not as long a shot as it was a year ago when the accounts were a mess.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Ad@m on February 28, 2015, 11:45:45 PM
I've posted similar on a different thread but there's no point fearing relegation.

We last won a league game almost 3 months ago. For all the negatives relegation would bring, it can't possibly be any worse than this season.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: itbrvilla on February 28, 2015, 11:48:44 PM
I've posted similar on a different thread but there's no point fearing relegation.

We last won a league game almost 3 months ago. For all the negatives relegation would bring, it can't possibly be any worse than this season.
Apart from the long term damage to the club.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Ad@m on February 28, 2015, 11:54:58 PM
I've posted similar on a different thread but there's no point fearing relegation.

We last won a league game almost 3 months ago. For all the negatives relegation would bring, it can't possibly be any worse than this season.
Apart from the long term damage to the club.

Because, what with an owner desperate to sell, a manager no-one really wanted, a squad that isn't good enough, debts of over £100m, crowds at their lowest for years and people outside the club wishing we'll go down because we're so desperately boring to watch, the club currently looks in fantastic health?!
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: itbrvilla on February 28, 2015, 11:56:41 PM
I've posted similar on a different thread but there's no point fearing relegation.

We last won a league game almost 3 months ago. For all the negatives relegation would bring, it can't possibly be any worse than this season.
Apart from the long term damage to the club.

Because, what with an owner desperate to sell, a manager no-one really wanted, a squad that isn't good enough, debts of over £100m, crowds at their lowest for years and people outside the club wishing we'll go down because we're so desperately boring to watch, the club currently looks in fantastic health?!
And relegation will make it even worse.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Ad@m on February 28, 2015, 11:58:07 PM
I've posted similar on a different thread but there's no point fearing relegation.

We last won a league game almost 3 months ago. For all the negatives relegation would bring, it can't possibly be any worse than this season.
Apart from the long term damage to the club.

Because, what with an owner desperate to sell, a manager no-one really wanted, a squad that isn't good enough, debts of over £100m, crowds at their lowest for years and people outside the club wishing we'll go down because we're so desperately boring to watch, the club currently looks in fantastic health?!
And relegation will make it even worse.

How? When we last won a league game we were only just out of November.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: itbrvilla on March 01, 2015, 12:04:52 AM
Have a look at Leeds, Sheffield Wednesday, Forest. I think were more likely to struggle than bounce straight back up with the utter shit we have, and all the clubs lining up to have a pop at the Villa. If we weren't to come straight back up it will o ly end up getting more difficult for us as time goes by. Then we lose more revenue on top of the £100+ million. We'll be seen like we view Newcastle by outsiders so the reputation and standing in the gaw will also take a hit. Everyone says they don't give a shit what other clubs fans think of us, but I'm sure deep down most of us are hurt when we here fans talk about our club. What a fucking mess.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Ad@m on March 01, 2015, 12:11:33 AM
If all you care about is what other people think about your teams result's then go support Chelsea, or Man City. Or even Real Madrid or Munich. For me, I want to see Villa win games - regularly, not every 3 months.

Supporting Villa has just become so joyless the past few years. I absolutely don't want to see us to get relegated but after the past few years it's not going to upset me if we do.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Des Little on March 01, 2015, 12:39:45 AM
I won't re-state all the facts because we all know them. The bottom line is that we fully deserve to drop, and unless a miracle occurs we are down. We've had this coming for 3 years so it should come as no surprise. Simply not good enough.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Dave on March 01, 2015, 12:49:47 AM
If all you care about is what other people think about your teams result's then go support Chelsea, or Man City. Or even Real Madrid or Munich. For me, I want to see Villa win games - regularly, not every 3 months.

Supporting Villa has just become so joyless the past few years. I absolutely don't want to see us to get relegated but after the past few years it's not going to upset me if we do.
I'm with you. We're going to go down at some point.  If it's this season, then it's this season. If it's not, then it'll be another one.

Every decision that the club has made over the past couple of years (and several in the years before that) has pointed in that direction.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: itbrvilla on March 01, 2015, 12:50:26 AM
If all you care about is what other people think about your teams result's then go support Chelsea, or Man City. Or even Real Madrid or Munich. For me, I want to see Villa win games - regularly, not every 3 months.

Supporting Villa has just become so joyless the past few years. I absolutely don't want to see us to get relegated but after the past few years it's not going to upset me if we do.
I never said that.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: tomd2103 on March 01, 2015, 01:29:23 AM
Relegation doesn't achieve anything. I don't believe this thing about if we stayed up, the cycle would continue. The fans have had enough, there's a new manager who must realise the depth of problems and even at boardroom there must be a few home truths being realised (just later than they should have). Added to that the financial situation appears to have been addressed (unless we go down) and there's good things happening behind the scenes. It's just unfortunate for us that they've forgotten that first and foremost, we are a football club. There's always hope of a takeover - that may be a long shot but not as long a shot as it was a year ago when the accounts were a mess.

Sometimes it does though.  Once a malaise has set in, it sometimes needs the shock of relegation to make a club act.  The highly paid time wasters are moved on and if the season goes well, the remaining players get a bit of confidence.  It doesn't always work out like that though and things can go from bad to worse. 
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: OzVilla on March 01, 2015, 01:30:31 AM
If all you care about is what other people think about your teams result's then go support Chelsea, or Man City. Or even Real Madrid or Munich. For me, I want to see Villa win games - regularly, not every 3 months.

Supporting Villa has just become so joyless the past few years. I absolutely don't want to see us to get relegated but after the past few years it's not going to upset me if we do.
I'm with you. We're going to go down at some point.  If it's this season, then it's this season. If it's not, then it'll be another one.

Every decision that the club has made over the past couple of years (and several in the years before that) has pointed in that direction.

I agree. I'm rapidly losing interest because there's really no hope that well see entertaining and sometimes winning football any time soon. Whats the point of being in a division and get humiliated every week. I gave up on the Champions League once our owner did.

So Yes I guess that means we've become Blose in that respect. Thanks Randy you complete fuckwit.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: john e on March 01, 2015, 08:53:07 AM
well this would be a good week to start a great escape

Leicester ,QPR and Burnley are main 3 relegation contenders all play man City, Arsenal and Liverpool

I know it doesn't always work out to plan, but I cant see any of them getting much out of those games
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Meanwood Villa on March 01, 2015, 08:57:48 AM
well this would be a good week to start a great escape

Leicester ,QPR and Burnley are main 3 relegation contenders all play man City, Arsenal and Liverpool

I know it doesn't always work out to plan, but I cant see any of them getting much out of those games

I noticed that too. Even a point against Olbiyun will probably see us out of the bottom 3. Win at Sunderland in next league game and we could be 16th.

The problem with this is those pesky impossibilities like "winning" or even "getting a point"
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Des Little on March 01, 2015, 09:03:33 AM
well this would be a good week to start a great escape

Leicester ,QPR and Burnley are main 3 relegation contenders all play man City, Arsenal and Liverpool

I know it doesn't always work out to plan, but I cant see any of them getting much out of those games

I noticed that too. Even a point against Olbiyun will probably see us out of the bottom 3. Win at Sunderland in next league game and we could be 16th.

The problem with this is those pesky impossibilities like "winning" or even "getting a point"

...or 'scoring a goal' - whatever that means
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: ozzjim on March 01, 2015, 09:17:55 AM
I reckon we will beat Albion on Tuesday and then draw in the cup game, giving us a brilliant chance of getting out of it all, but still think we will go down, and much like Ads, I am not fearful or worried by it any more.

I actually disagree with the notion Sherwood has to go if we do go too, I think he will bring us back first time, he has a coaching team who know the division and is the type of character that will see it as an opportunity. 3-4 of our players know that division well, supplemented with encouraging displays from a couple of the lads out on loan. 2-3 of the right signings and we would have a decent chance of coming back up, while re-building confidence and getting shut of some of the players that are not up to it.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: myf on March 01, 2015, 09:18:28 AM
Or keeping a clean sheet
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: curlytailavfc on March 01, 2015, 09:25:32 AM
may be the russians will start ww3 then we will be safe as a football team but not as a country ::)
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: silhillvilla on March 01, 2015, 09:31:58 AM
Watching the football league show and it don't seem all that bad down there , albeit some of the pitches look more like farmers fields with white lining - Blackpool, Sheff weds take a bow
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: aj2k77 on March 01, 2015, 09:48:06 AM
Watching the football league show and it don't seem all that bad down there , albeit some of the pitches look more like farmers fields with white lining - Blackpool, Sheff weds take a bow

Rotherham, half empty Villa Park, midfield hatchet men kicking the shit out of pansies like Westwood and big fuckers dominating us at set pieces as Gabby and Weimann row zed everything up front, doesn't sound appealing to me.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: itbrvilla on March 01, 2015, 10:21:48 AM
Watching the football league show and it don't seem all that bad down there , albeit some of the pitches look more like farmers fields with white lining - Blackpool, Sheff weds take a bow

Rotherham, half empty Villa Park, midfield hatchet men kicking the shit out of pansies like Westwood and big fuckers dominating us at set pieces as Gabby and Weimann row zed everything up front, doesn't sound appealing to me.
Some think we'll get to win loads of games if we go down.  I suggest they have a look at Wolves and a number of other clubs who thought that.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Ad@m on March 01, 2015, 10:24:28 AM
Watching the football league show and it don't seem all that bad down there , albeit some of the pitches look more like farmers fields with white lining - Blackpool, Sheff weds take a bow

Rotherham, half empty Villa Park, midfield hatchet men kicking the shit out of pansies like Westwood and big fuckers dominating us at set pieces as Gabby and Weimann row zed everything up front, doesn't sound appealing to me.
Some think we'll get to win loads of games if we go down.  I suggest they have a look at Wolves and a number of other clubs who thought that.

I don't think anyone has used the word 'loads'. But one would be nice. I simply can't believe you would prefer going months without a win and the rest of the footballing world taking the piss out of our 'Month of the Goal Competition'.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: OzVilla on March 01, 2015, 10:27:20 AM
We don't win any games now and haven't really done so or 4 years. If we do stay up and Lerner stays we'll be right back here next season. We said the same a year ago and until Lerner fucks off it won't change.

I don't want us to get relegated at all but im also sick to the back teeth of annual humiliation in the PL. 
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: TimTheVillain on March 01, 2015, 01:28:55 PM
Lerner looked ill when he was photographed at Bodymoor the other week.

Dropping into the Championship will devalue the club by some way, which I reckon will delay him from selling us.

He strikes me as the type of guy who'd hold on to the hope that we'd bounce right back.

I hope we do, as we really do not want to be a Forest.

Face it - we are going down - we can't score goals and give stupid goals away - PLUS we are unlucky !

Teams that get relegated suffer from 'bad luck' - it's a relegation tell tale  sign.

UTV - whatver the weather.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Marton on March 04, 2015, 04:56:25 PM
WB beaten as predicted, expected and without much drama  ;)
Still need 12 more...9 at home and Sunderland away for Narrow Escape IV,
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on March 04, 2015, 08:08:44 PM
We are a point ahead of my predicted points target at this stage.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: nigel on March 04, 2015, 10:26:15 PM
All the results have gone our way this week.
Didn't realise that Everton are down there, too.
Although I don't think they'll get into to much trouble, the way they're tumbling it could be worrying times.

I would love the Baggies to hit a bit of a rough patch now.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Smoke on March 05, 2015, 12:44:06 PM
If we take it at the moment that our "Relegation Rivals" are Everton, Hull, Sunderland, QPR, Burnley & Leicester How many more wins are these teams going to pick up?

Everton fixtures: (not taking into account europa league games)

* Newcastle
* QPR (W)
* Southampton
* Swansea (D)
* Burnley (W)
* Man Utd
* Villa (D)
* Sunderland (W)
* West Ham
* Spurs


I predict Everton will pick up 11 more points.

Hull Fixtures:

* Leicester (W)
* Chelsea
* Swansea
* Southampton (D)
* Liverpool
* Crystal Palace (D)
* Arsenal
* Burnley (W)
* Spurs
* Man Utd


I predict Hull will pick up 8 more points

Sunderland Fixtures:

* Villa (D)
* West Ham
* Newcastle (W)
* Crystal Palace (D)
* Arsenal
* Stoke
* Southampton
* Everton (D)
* Leicester (W)
* Chelsea

I Predict Sunderland will pick up 9 more points

QPR Fixtures:

* Spurs
* Crystal Palace (D)
* Everton
* West Brom (W)
* Chelsea
* Villa
* West Ham (D)
* Liverpool
* Man City
* Newcastle (W)
* Leicester (W)


I Predict QPR Will pick up 11 more points

Burnley Fixtures:

* Man City
* Southampton (D)
* Spurs
* Arsenal
* Everton
* Leicester (W)
* West Ham (D)
* Hull
* Stoke (D)
* Villa


I Predict Burnley will pick up 6 more points

Leicester Fixtures:

* Hull
* Spurs
* West Ham
* West Brom (W)
* Swansea
* Burnley
* Chelsea
* Newcastle (W)
* Southampton (D)
* Sunderland
* QPR

I Predict Leicester will pick up 7 more points

Villa fixtures:

* Sunderland (D)
* Swansea (W)
* Man Utd
* Spurs
* QPR (W)
* Man City
* Everton (D)
* West Ham
* Southampton
* Burnley (W)

I Predict Villa will pick up 11 more points

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Everton - 39 pts
Villa - 36 pts
Hull - 35 pts
Sunderland - 35 pts
QPR - 33 pts
Burnley - 28 Pts
Leicester - 25 pts


Quite a few 6 pointers amoungst our "Rivals" too in that run in.

at the end of the day we've just got to beat the results of 3 teams.

WAAAAY too close for comfort for my liking.

Yes, I don't have much to do today!
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 05, 2015, 12:47:09 PM
See the reason I think we could really do with winning the next two is that if we don't there's going to be an awful lot of pressure on the QPR, Everton and Burnley games.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: teamvillage on March 05, 2015, 12:52:55 PM
I'd be discounting Hull from my thoughts, but their run-in is atrocious, isn't it?
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Smoke on March 05, 2015, 12:59:49 PM
There's an arguement for including WBA & Crystal Palace too. There's always a team that's so close to the line but not quite over it for a month or so.

See Us last season, after 28 games sat in 11th place with 31 points!
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: QBVILLA on March 05, 2015, 01:14:39 PM
All the results have gone our way this week.
Didn't realise that Everton are down there, too.
Although I don't think they'll get into to much trouble, the way they're tumbling it could be worrying times.

I would love the Baggies to hit a bit of a rough patch now.

The minute they appointed Pulis I ruled them out of relegation. They'll continue to chip away for the remainder of the season and I expect them to be safe with at least three games to go. Everton, well as the saying goes, "no one is too good to go down", but surely Everton are? For me Leicester and Burnley will go. The remaining place will go to QPR,Sunderland, Hull or us. Personally I think it will be Sunderland.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on March 05, 2015, 01:41:15 PM
April looks absolutely brutal

IfWhen we get to the semis the QPR game will be moved. No idea to when though.

Fixed. We wouldn't win it if we weren't in the semis, ya daft bugger.

I don't get it.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Big Dick Edwards on March 05, 2015, 07:07:38 PM
If ever there was an optimum time to win two league games on the bounce, the Sunderland game is it.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Matt Collins on March 05, 2015, 09:23:23 PM
I can't face this game by game predicting again!

But if you look at the next two games:

Villa are three points clear of the bottom three. If we could get four points from Sunderland and Swansea that's 7 points the others would need to catch up on

QPR have got Spurs h and palace a, which they could easily lose both of

Burnley have got Man City and saints a, ditto

There's a lot of ifs and buts there but on current form I doubt the others will pick up too many points. If we can get four or more we will be looking a lot healthier

Aw night need that gap tho given our subsequent fixtures
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Villafirst on March 14, 2015, 09:27:37 PM
For me, great result at Blunderland, but still gonna be tight with the three tough April away games. Need to win 3 of the 5 home games - then I think we'll be safe.  I think it'll work out that we'll play 4 out 5 of the last games at home due to the QPR game being re-arranged?
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: SoccerHQ on March 14, 2015, 09:33:26 PM
Two more wins and two draws will do it you'd think.

No chance on today's showing Sunderland will get 10 more points this season, they'll probably struggle to get over 30.

Great thing today was our GD has levelled up with everyone else.

Think the bottom three will be QPR, Leicester and Sunderland.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Pete on March 14, 2015, 09:41:54 PM
Prediction. We'll be safe on 9th May when Man City beat QPR.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Villafirst on March 14, 2015, 09:46:27 PM
After today's result at Burnley, wouldn't rely on Man City to beat QPR!
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Des Little on March 14, 2015, 09:57:57 PM
I reckon we need 10 points, and the quicker we get them, the better.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: supertom on March 14, 2015, 10:03:31 PM
I don't think there's a game left that really scares me. Certainly none of those sides will have a backline that we shouldn't fancy breaching. I also have faith we'll approach the Utd and Spurs game with intensity and fight and play to win, as opposed to lying on our backs for a belly tickling like normal.
QPR and Sunderland are a mess. Burnley got a good result but I still can't see them getting too many more points.

I also reckon by the end of the season we'll no longer be the lowest scorers in the Prem.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Villafirst on March 14, 2015, 10:03:46 PM
Still think 40 points is the benchmark - you get some strange results in the relegation run in! We certainly need 3 points against Swansea with  the 3 tough April away games.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 14, 2015, 10:09:51 PM
Those teams aren't going to be overly keen to play us either. Tough games for sure, but for our opponents also.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: paul_e on March 14, 2015, 10:21:03 PM
Still think 40 points is the benchmark - you get some strange results in the relegation run in! We certainly need 3 points against Swansea with  the 3 tough April away games.

That's just not right, 40 points has been required about 3 times in the last 20 years.  You're looking at 34-36 this season at best and that still relies on Burnley and Sunderland putting on their best run of form all season.  I genuinely think Leicester and QPR are gone, the former will struggle to get to what we have now and from what I've seen of QPR I think they'll get about 30.

3 wins from here and we're fine.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on March 14, 2015, 10:57:44 PM
We are one point ahead of the original projection.  Keep it going chaps.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: OCD on March 14, 2015, 11:50:27 PM
Still think 40 points is the benchmark - you get some strange results in the relegation run in! We certainly need 3 points against Swansea with  the 3 tough April away games.

That's just not right, 40 points has been required about 3 times in the last 20 years.  You're looking at 34-36 this season at best and that still relies on Burnley and Sunderland putting on their best run of form all season.  I genuinely think Leicester and QPR are gone, the former will struggle to get to what we have now and from what I've seen of QPR I think they'll get about 30.

3 wins from here and we're fine.

If it is 34 points, that would mean needing 1 more win should we beat Swansea next week. That would be surprising. Sunderland and Burnley are only 2 and 3 points behind us so it's likely to be more like high 30's.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: villan from luton on March 14, 2015, 11:57:19 PM
I think 36 would be enough, 3 points nest week would be a great start. When was the last time we won 4 games on the trot ?
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: supertom on March 15, 2015, 12:06:31 AM
I think 36 would be enough, 3 points nest week would be a great start. When was the last time we won 4 games on the trot ?
O Neill perhaps. Exactly when, I'm not sure.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: supertom on March 15, 2015, 12:10:03 AM
I think 36 would be enough, 3 points nest week would be a great start. When was the last time we won 4 games on the trot ?
O Neill perhaps. Exactly when, I'm not sure.
2009-10.
We did 6 in a row in all comps (though one victory against Rapid was a second leg we lost all told on goal difference). We also had a 5 game winning run a little later too.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: peter w on March 15, 2015, 12:12:11 AM
It's still going to be tough to get out of this. burnley's result tonight is a case in point there are many twists and turns and strange results in the run in. I personally don't think Everton are in it and will just get the points that they need when they need them. it's us , leicester, QPR, Burnley, Sunderland and Hull. I think Leicester are definitely down. QPR will go too but I don't think they'll be cut adrift. 3 points are important next week, again, so that we don't put too much pressure on the QPR and Burnley games. Still a long way to go and still going to be tough.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 15, 2015, 12:18:25 AM
As it stands now, Everton are currently pretty much in it as they're on the same points total as us. They don't play till tomorrow, at home to Newcastle, after which they'll have played the same number of games as us.

They also seem to be on a run of awful form, which helps.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on March 15, 2015, 12:20:46 AM
And the longer they're in the fated Europa league all the better.  Thing is its not as if Martinez hasn't got form!
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: peter w on March 15, 2015, 12:25:50 AM
There's always 1 team that are always there that gets the odd win that just keeps them out of reach. previously it has been Stoke, Sunderland, us. I think this season it's Everton.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: villan from luton on March 15, 2015, 12:27:02 AM
It's still going to be tough to get out of this. burnley's result tonight is a case in point there are many twists and turns and strange results in the run in. I personally don't think Everton are in it and will just get the points that they need when they need them. it's us , leicester, QPR, Burnley, Sunderland and Hull. I think Leicester are definitely down. QPR will go too but I don't think they'll be cut adrift. 3 points are important next week, again, so that we don't put too much pressure on the QPR and Burnley games. Still a long way to go and still going to be tough.

Why are Everton not in it?  Unless Martinez realises the best course of action is to get the ball to Lukaku (Lambert take note), I think they will be ok but no better than us
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: peter w on March 15, 2015, 12:27:59 AM
It's still going to be tough to get out of this. burnley's result tonight is a case in point there are many twists and turns and strange results in the run in. I personally don't think Everton are in it and will just get the points that they need when they need them. it's us , leicester, QPR, Burnley, Sunderland and Hull. I think Leicester are definitely down. QPR will go too but I don't think they'll be cut adrift. 3 points are important next week, again, so that we don't put too much pressure on the QPR and Burnley games. Still a long way to go and still going to be tough.

Why are Everton not in it?  Unless Martinez realises the best course of action is to get the ball to Lukaku (Lambert take note), I think they will be ok but no better than us

Because they're great and I love them.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: villan from luton on March 15, 2015, 12:32:43 AM
It's still going to be tough to get out of this. burnley's result tonight is a case in point there are many twists and turns and strange results in the run in. I personally don't think Everton are in it and will just get the points that they need when they need them. it's us , leicester, QPR, Burnley, Sunderland and Hull. I think Leicester are definitely down. QPR will go too but I don't think they'll be cut adrift. 3 points are important next week, again, so that we don't put too much pressure on the QPR and Burnley games. Still a long way to go and still going to be tough.

Why are Everton not in it?  Unless Martinez realises the best course of action is to get the ball to Lukaku (Lambert take note), I think they will be ok but no better than us

Because they're great and I love them.

Good for you, they are certainly a better club than that across the park IMO
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Jarpie on March 15, 2015, 12:33:00 AM
Leicester, QPR and Sunderland will go down I reckon.

First two have already given up and Sunderland look completely void of anything.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Dave on March 15, 2015, 12:35:18 AM
Somebody posted Hull's fixtures earlier, and they look absolutely horrendous.

If only we hadn't gifted them three points, I think they be joining Leicester and QPR.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: maidstonevillain on March 15, 2015, 12:38:16 AM
Somebody posted Hull's fixtures earlier, and they look absolutely horrendous.

If only we hadn't gifted them three points, I think they be joining Leicester and QPR.

I am glad we did gift them 3 points.  Otherwise Lambert would probably be here still.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: silhillvilla on March 15, 2015, 12:39:08 AM
Somebody posted Hull's fixtures earlier, and they look absolutely horrendous.

If only we hadn't gifted them three points, I think they be joining Leicester and QPR.
The players didn't even try that night. They wanted Lambert gone.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Damo70 on March 15, 2015, 01:24:25 AM
I can't see us getting much more, if anything away from home. Swansea, Everton, QPR, West Ham and Burnley at home. I think we need three wins from those five. Ideally against Everton, QPR and Burnley, although hopefully that last game will be a dead rubber like the last game at Wigan a couple of years back.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Matt Collins on March 15, 2015, 08:22:08 AM
Our April fixtures are absolutely horrendous so we're still right in it, especially after burnley's win

Need to beat Swansea

Think we could get a result at Southampton and while Spurs / United / citeh look tough I don't think we can be writing them off. Citeh's home form has been poor

Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Des Little on March 15, 2015, 08:43:26 AM
If we can beat Swansea it will go some way to providing some fall back in April, which could be rather damaging. The way I see it we are in a four team league with Burnley Sunderland and Hull (five if Everton lose today); we just need to better their results to stay clear.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: McGraths Dry Cleaning on March 15, 2015, 08:57:49 AM
April may not be a write off for us - the Burnley result yesterday shows that teams win when its not expected. If they didn't betting wouldn't exist. Didn't Chelsea lose quite a few games against teams down the bottom last year?

Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Jon Crofts on March 15, 2015, 09:27:32 AM
April may not be a write off for us - the Burnley result yesterday shows that teams win when its not expected. If they didn't betting wouldn't exist. Didn't Chelsea lose quite a few games against teams down the bottom last year?



I'm sure they lost to Blunderland, part of their 4 in a row winning streak that saved their bacon.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: john e on March 15, 2015, 10:21:28 AM
We have taken 6 points out of the last two league games and are still only 3 points clear of relegation

It just shows how deep in the shit we would be if we had stuck with Lambert
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Ads on March 15, 2015, 10:37:01 AM
I'm not sure Old Trafford is such a write off. Sherwood doesn't seem to give a monkeys about reputations and frankly, Man United look a mesh of expensive players dropped into the pitch without any visible cohesion. And we owe them a hundred fold.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: brian green on March 15, 2015, 10:54:41 AM
You are right Ads,   I can see us getting at least a point there.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on March 15, 2015, 10:58:12 AM
I can't see us getting much more, if anything away from home. Swansea, Everton, QPR, West Ham and Burnley at home. I think we need three wins from those five. Ideally against Everton, QPR and Burnley, although hopefully that last game will be a dead rubber like the last game at Wigan a couple of years back.

If not a dead rubber, it's possible that us and Burnley might need a point each to stay up and play out a tame draw. #nextbestscenario.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: SoccerHQ on March 15, 2015, 12:42:11 PM
I fancy the Spurs game as more of a shock result, Sherwood will be massively up for that going back there.

Think I'm right in saying over the last 5 years our record v Spurs is even worse than the Manchester clubs as under Lambert it just seemed heavy defeat after heavy defeat against them apart from this season when 1 up and the ref decides to win Spurs the game.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: silhillvilla on March 15, 2015, 12:46:04 PM
I think playing on big pitches such as the etihad and old Trafford will suit our new pacey approach.
I wouldn't write Spurs off either, sherwood will have them bang up for that one.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Diablo on March 16, 2015, 02:36:20 AM
I'm not sure Old Trafford is such a write off. Sherwood doesn't seem to give a monkeys about reputations and frankly, Man United look a mesh of expensive players dropped into the pitch without any visible cohesion.

Unfortunately they looked really good today. They tore Spurs apart. You never know but I'm not confident we'll get anything there. I think that result will push them on to finish in the top 4 now.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on March 16, 2015, 03:07:00 AM
I'm not sure Old Trafford is such a write off. Sherwood doesn't seem to give a monkeys about reputations and frankly, Man United look a mesh of expensive players dropped into the pitch without any visible cohesion.

Unfortunately they looked really good today. They tore Spurs apart. You never know but I'm not confident we'll get anything there. I think that result will push them on to finish in the top 4 now.

Sod em. Sherwoods Villa boys will just brush them aside.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: supertom on March 16, 2015, 11:46:57 AM
I'm not sure Old Trafford is such a write off. Sherwood doesn't seem to give a monkeys about reputations and frankly, Man United look a mesh of expensive players dropped into the pitch without any visible cohesion.

Unfortunately they looked really good today. They tore Spurs apart. You never know but I'm not confident we'll get anything there. I think that result will push them on to finish in the top 4 now.

Sod em. Sherwoods Villa boys will just brush them aside.
Utd look good one week and then poor the next. That said they've picked up a lot of results this season when playing badly. I wouldn't be surprised if they finished second.
However as long as we give them a good game I'll be happy. We've shown them too much fear and too much respect over the years.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: itbrvilla on March 16, 2015, 11:55:36 AM
We have taken 6 points out of the last two league games and are still only 3 points clear of relegation

It just shows how deep in the shit we would be if we had stuck with Lambert
Frightening if we had of followed Dr Fox narrative.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: saunders_heroes on March 16, 2015, 12:33:48 PM
Just noticed that we don't play our final league game till May 24th, and the FA Cup final is played on the last day of May. I've never known the season last that long before. Any idea why?
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: JUAN PABLO on March 16, 2015, 12:41:05 PM
Well if we play yesterdays spurs we will actually win there.

And manure can be shit again next game , beat Swansea and I think were be looking ok .
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Villa in Denmark on March 16, 2015, 01:44:43 PM
We have taken 6 points out of the last two league games and are still only 3 points clear of relegation

It just shows how deep in the shit we would be if we had stuck with Lambert
Frightening if we had of followed Dr Fox narrative.

That'll be the same Fox that convinced Lerner to sack his best mate.

I too thought the false narrative / flip the coin statement was an unfortunate choice of phrase, but it was in hindsight nothing more than the usual vote of confidence = turn this around or your sacked.

We'll never know for sure, but given how the timings around Faulkner's departure, Foxes arrival and Lamberts new contract fit together it doesn't seem beyond the realms of possibility that
Faulkner left because he wanted Lambert out and Lerner had decided to stick by him.
Fox arrives with a list of things to take care of waiting on his desk including a message from his boss to sort out the new contract for Lambert
Contract gets sorted.
Fox spends the next 6 months wondering what Lerner was smoking when he gave the instruction for the new contract or checking to make sure that he hadn't missed "Under no circumstances" from the message that said "give Lambert a new contract"
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: avfcdale on March 16, 2015, 04:51:17 PM
Robert Madley appointed for the Swansea game, that will upset them the last time refereed a Swansea game they got him suspended, hopefully he will want to get back at Gary Monk :)
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on March 16, 2015, 05:10:48 PM
Robert Madley appointed for the Swansea game, that will upset them the last time refereed a Swansea game they got him suspended, hopefully he will want to get back at Gary Monk :)

Or he'll be "overly" fair to them, so he doesn't get suspended again...
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: avfcdale on March 16, 2015, 05:14:31 PM
Robert Madley appointed for the Swansea game, that will upset them the last time refereed a Swansea game they got him suspended, hopefully he will want to get back at Gary Monk :)

Or he'll be "overly" fair to them, so he doesn't get suspended again...
No he'll play it straight down the line ,but if he sees a chance to give a clear penalty he will
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Villafirst on March 16, 2015, 06:08:01 PM
TS said he wants us "safe" by the time we play the semi-final at Wembley. Can't really see us being safe by then, not with the tough April fixtures - 3 points is a must against Swansea. Think this will go to the wire....
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: silhillvilla on March 16, 2015, 06:36:57 PM
Swansea I suspect will be a tough game. They're probably the best team we've played under TS so far.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Matt Collins on March 16, 2015, 08:42:02 PM
Yes and they're looking good v Liverpool

We really need to be trying to win this one but it is likely to be tough

Hopefully they'll burn themselves out a bit tonight
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Des Little on March 16, 2015, 08:56:27 PM
Swansea are the classic Jekyll and Hyde team. Doing well tonight and beat Man U twice but didn't raise a leg at West Brom or Blackburn this season. Hopefully they won't turn up on Saturday.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Villafirst on March 16, 2015, 08:57:17 PM
Yes and they're looking good v Liverpool

We really need to be trying to win this one but it is likely to be tough

Hopefully they'll burn themselves out a bit tonight

And they haven't got Bony...
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Gerrin on March 16, 2015, 09:08:01 PM
Swansea have won 4 times away this season, with only one more point on the road than us in total.

Man U (opening day)
Hull
Burnley
Southampton

I'd love to see us blow them away.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: myf on March 16, 2015, 09:16:34 PM
When was last time we won 3 league games in a row?
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: silhillvilla on March 16, 2015, 09:19:20 PM
When was last time we won 3 league games in a row?
2011
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Ad@m on March 16, 2015, 09:20:42 PM
Yes and they're looking good v Liverpool

We really need to be trying to win this one but it is likely to be tough

Hopefully they'll burn themselves out a bit tonight

And they haven't got Bony...

Their goal scoring record has been just 1 a game since Bony left. And they've not exactly been watertight at the back. Hopefully our new found attacking approach will get some joy against them.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: gnrpoison on March 16, 2015, 09:34:37 PM
Might only have to be beat QPR and Burnley at home and then get 3 -4 draws as 37 - 39 pts might be enough. Would be surprised if Hull, Sunderland or Burnley and QPR were to achieve 35 or 36pts. What helps us is a few of those teams will play each other and others in the bottom half. A good run from us and we may climb even higher. I would be worried if we did not beat QPR or Burnley unless we were magically safe by then.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Gerrin on March 16, 2015, 09:47:24 PM
Might only have to be beat QPR and Burnley at home and then get 3 -4 draws as 37 - 39 pts might be enough. Would be surprised if Hull, Sunderland or Burnley and QPR were to achieve 35 or 36pts. What helps us is a few of those teams will play each other and others in the bottom half. A good run from us and we may climb even higher. I would be worried if we did not beat QPR or Burnley unless we were magically safe by then.

We need the win on Saturday, no home games in April and away to tough opposition. Then 4 winnable home games in May.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Matt Collins on March 16, 2015, 10:03:04 PM
Yes and they're looking good v Liverpool

We really need to be trying to win this one but it is likely to be tough

Hopefully they'll burn themselves out a bit tonight

And they haven't got Bony...

Liverpool shifted their tactics today in the second half to match up against their diamond

I'd definitely revert to that I think. Westwood for Sinclair

Their goal scoring record has been just 1 a game since Bony left. And they've not exactly been watertight at the back. Hopefully our new found attacking approach will get some joy against them.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on March 16, 2015, 10:11:55 PM
I can't help thinking this is going all the way to the wire.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Villafirst on March 16, 2015, 10:13:34 PM
Blitz Swansea from the off on Saturday - use maximum pace and power to overwhelm them! A "little" club.....
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 16, 2015, 10:16:20 PM
I imagine Sinclair is going to want to have a bit of fun vs his old club. Let him play is what I say.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Godfrey Brian on March 16, 2015, 10:36:59 PM
Still tight but we will pick up the odd unexpected point now. Still need to make it count at home. Swansea are beatable and points on Saturday will really pressure those around us.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: SoccerHQ on March 16, 2015, 10:38:29 PM
Might only have to be beat QPR and Burnley at home and then get 3 -4 draws as 37 - 39 pts might be enough. Would be surprised if Hull, Sunderland or Burnley and QPR were to achieve 35 or 36pts. What helps us is a few of those teams will play each other and others in the bottom half. A good run from us and we may climb even higher. I would be worried if we did not beat QPR or Burnley unless we were magically safe by then.

Looking at the run ins I can't see Hull or Sunderland getting more than 33 points so 34 points could be enough.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: supertom on March 16, 2015, 11:07:11 PM
Might only have to be beat QPR and Burnley at home and then get 3 -4 draws as 37 - 39 pts might be enough. Would be surprised if Hull, Sunderland or Burnley and QPR were to achieve 35 or 36pts. What helps us is a few of those teams will play each other and others in the bottom half. A good run from us and we may climb even higher. I would be worried if we did not beat QPR or Burnley unless we were magically safe by then.

Looking at the run ins I can't see Hull or Sunderland getting more than 33 points so 34 points could be enough.
Me neither. Burnley got a good result but they will struggle to average a point a game for the remainder. QPR probably won't either.

If we win saturday we'll be in great shape. It then means an unexpected result during the tough April run could get us safe before May comes around. It'd be nice to be safe sooner rather than later.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Damo70 on March 17, 2015, 02:53:29 AM
Might only have to be beat QPR and Burnley at home and then get 3 -4 draws as 37 - 39 pts might be enough. Would be surprised if Hull, Sunderland or Burnley and QPR were to achieve 35 or 36pts. What helps us is a few of those teams will play each other and others in the bottom half. A good run from us and we may climb even higher. I would be worried if we did not beat QPR or Burnley unless we were magically safe by then.

Looking at the run ins I can't see Hull or Sunderland getting more than 33 points so 34 points could be enough.


What is the lowest number of points someone has stayed up with? Was it Albion on something like 34 or 35 in their 'great escape' season? When I did the predictor a few weeks back I'm sure I had teams staying up on closer to 30 points than forty. Nothing seems to have changed to alter that possibility. I reckon 36-38 points will be enough this year.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: CJ on March 17, 2015, 09:22:30 AM
Sunderland have given themselves a better chance by sacking Poyet and appointing Advocaat. Think it's going to be really tight
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: paul_e on March 17, 2015, 10:00:07 AM
Might only have to be beat QPR and Burnley at home and then get 3 -4 draws as 37 - 39 pts might be enough. Would be surprised if Hull, Sunderland or Burnley and QPR were to achieve 35 or 36pts. What helps us is a few of those teams will play each other and others in the bottom half. A good run from us and we may climb even higher. I would be worried if we did not beat QPR or Burnley unless we were magically safe by then.

Looking at the run ins I can't see Hull or Sunderland getting more than 33 points so 34 points could be enough.


What is the lowest number of points someone has stayed up with? Was it Albion on something like 34 or 35 in their 'great escape' season? When I did the predictor a few weeks back I'm sure I had teams staying up on closer to 30 points than forty. Nothing seems to have changed to alter that possibility. I reckon 36-38 points will be enough this year.

It's simpler to track the number of points the team in 18th had, anything more than that is clearly safe.

2014 - norwich 33
2013 - wigan 36
2012 - bolton 36
2011 - blues 39
2010 - burnley 30
2009 - newcastle 34
2008 - reading 36
2007 - sheffield u 38
2006 - blues 34
2005 - palace 33
2004 - leicester 33
2003 - west ham 42
2002 - ipswich 36
2001 - man city 34
2000 - wimbledon 33

from that, as I've said before, 36 is the normal safe point, and looking at the points for teams down there and the fixtures it will be again.  If you take a 29 game snapshot of any of those seasons where it's 33-36 the table looks rather similar to now as well.

The other important bit is that the seasons where more points are needed you still see teams running away at the top but the gaps lower down are much smaller, the points difference between 8th and 17th is pretty telling.

If you take 2003 and 2010 (the highest and lowest respectively):

2003 8th 52 - 17th 44 - 8 point difference.
2010 8th 61 - 17th 35 - 26 point difference.

I can't be bothered to do more seasons but trust me the 'rule' stands.  Right now 8th have 42 and 17th have 26 so it's a 16 point gap, which puts us right in the middle which, again, suggests 36 points will be about the mark.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: JG on March 17, 2015, 10:06:44 AM
Sunderland have given themselves a better chance by sacking Poyet and appointing Advocaat. Think it's going to be really tight

It's a huge risk appointing someone with no Prem experience with so few games left, he needs to hit the ground running & has no time to 'find his feet', as it were. That's why I was please with Sherwood, although he didn't have much experience he knew the English game inside out.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Chris Smith on March 17, 2015, 10:07:20 AM
We are the team with a wind behind us, wins and goals will have given the players a new confidence and we have a manager who appears to want to play to their strengths. Early days, of course, but if I were a fan of any of the other clubs down there I would be worried by our apparent improvement.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: JG on March 17, 2015, 10:15:13 AM
We are the team with a wind behind us, wins and goals will have given the players a new confidence and we have a manager who appears to want to play to their strengths. Early days, of course, but if I were a fan of any of the other clubs down there I would be worried by our apparent improvement.

Well said. If it wasn't for Burnley's freak result v Man City (and let's be honest, that's what it was), the we'd be 6 points clear already. By no means safe, but that would have made me pretty moist
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Damo70 on March 17, 2015, 10:39:01 AM
We are the team with a wind behind us, wins and goals will have given the players a new confidence and we have a manager who appears to want to play to their strengths. Early days, of course, but if I were a fan of any of the other clubs down there I would be worried by our apparent improvement.

I agree. If we were Leicester or Hull or possibly even Everton fans we would be pointing to Villa as an example of taking action to sack a struggling manager.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Richard E on March 17, 2015, 10:39:43 AM
Three more wins will see us home and we should be more than capable of getting those from the available games. 
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Matt Collins on March 18, 2015, 08:31:42 AM
I agree it's three wins we need

I was just checking Spurs record under sherwood against the top sides and it was a stream of thrashings. Hopefully he'll learn from that and we won't be so open

But I think the answer is going to come in our home games. If we win the next two it's hard to see us not doing it. If we don't, then it's going to be difficult.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: N'ZMAV on March 18, 2015, 08:35:52 AM
If we take any points off the top teams then it'll be a bonus - Ok, Burnley beat City, but 9 times out of 10 I believe the better teams at this stage of the season will beat the shit, and I imagine all the teams in and around us have to go to at least 1 top side.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Diablo on March 18, 2015, 11:24:15 AM
Sunderland have given themselves a better chance by sacking Poyet and appointing Advocaat. Think it's going to be really tight

It's a huge risk appointing someone with no Prem experience with so few games left, he needs to hit the ground running & has no time to 'find his feet', as it were. That's why I was please with Sherwood, although he didn't have much experience he knew the English game inside out.

Looking at  Advocaat's win %

Advocaat's highest managerial win percentages (more than 25 games)
Rangers: (1998-2001) 67.53% from 194 matches
PSV Eindhoven: (1994-98) 65.79% of 152 matches
PSV Eindhoven: (2012-13) 65.31% of 49 matches
Netherlands: (1992-94) 57.69% of 26 matches

And looking at who Sunderland have got next Westham, Newcastle and Crystal Palace I think they will get something from 1 or 2 of those games and stay up. They've got the benefit of a natural goal scorer in Defoe.

It's as you say JG Advocaat hasn't got much time to find his feet (and also those win percentages are over a 25 match period and beyond - and he's only got 9 games!!). But I think his managerial experience will bring them over the line despite them looking so poor against us. 
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Damo70 on March 18, 2015, 02:16:36 PM
I don't think you can compare win percentages with the richest clubs in Scotland and Holland at the time with his situation at Sunderland. I think as low as 34 points could be enough this year. I have just done a predictor and had Leicester staying up on that amount with Sunderland, Burnley and QPR going down. I had us fifteenth, one below Everton and one above Hull.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: supertom on March 18, 2015, 02:27:33 PM
Sunderland are in a horrific mess. Their defence looks almost unsalvageable. Beyond Brown and O'Shea (both well past it) they only have a couple of poor foreign CH's in on loan who haven't adapted to the Prem. Their best striker is Defoe who is 33 years old and will always be on the periphery of games. Again, it goes back to the Bent argument. Yes he might put a chance away and score goals, but you sacrifice a player in the general play. Defoe probably touched the ball few enough times you could count on your fingers at the weekend.
They lack pace. Their best player is currently out of action indefinitely. It's a shambles. Advocaat's track record doesn't suggest he'd be able to pull off the miracle required to turn this squad around. Now whether he keeps them up is more a matter of how QPR finish. Much like ourselves under McLeish and Lambert last season, Sunderland must rely on 3 teams being shitter, rather than anything they might actually do themselves.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Des Little on March 18, 2015, 02:38:32 PM
I honestly think it'll be Hull or Sunderland.  Hull's run in is a nightmare and whilst Sunderland's is far easier, they're in shocking form.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: OCD on March 18, 2015, 04:24:46 PM
Burnley could join the list of teams we've relegated on the last day, otherwise it could be Hull going by the fixtures. Sunderland's run of games should be enough for them to survive.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on March 18, 2015, 04:38:45 PM
As long as we stay up and QPR go down I'll be happy.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Des Little on March 18, 2015, 04:48:23 PM
To be honest, as long as we stay up I couldn't give a tinker's cuss!
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Damo70 on March 18, 2015, 09:13:39 PM
Sunderland are in a horrific mess. Their defence looks almost unsalvageable. Beyond Brown and O'Shea (both well past it) they only have a couple of poor foreign CH's in on loan who haven't adapted to the Prem. Their best striker is Defoe who is 33 years old and will always be on the periphery of games. Again, it goes back to the Bent argument. Yes he might put a chance away and score goals, but you sacrifice a player in the general play. Defoe probably touched the ball few enough times you could count on your fingers at the weekend.
They lack pace. Their best player is currently out of action indefinitely. It's a shambles. Advocaat's track record doesn't suggest he'd be able to pull off the miracle required to turn this squad around. Now whether he keeps them up is more a matter of how QPR finish. Much like ourselves under McLeish and Lambert last season, Sunderland must rely on 3 teams being shitter, rather than anything they might actually do themselves.


I didn't realise Defoe was that old, but thinking about it he must be.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Dave on March 18, 2015, 09:40:36 PM
Sunderland are in a horrific mess. Their defence looks almost unsalvageable. Beyond Brown and O'Shea (both well past it) they only have a couple of poor foreign CH's in on loan who haven't adapted to the Prem. Their best striker is Defoe who is 33 years old and will always be on the periphery of games. Again, it goes back to the Bent argument. Yes he might put a chance away and score goals, but you sacrifice a player in the general play. Defoe probably touched the ball few enough times you could count on your fingers at the weekend.
They lack pace. Their best player is currently out of action indefinitely. It's a shambles. Advocaat's track record doesn't suggest he'd be able to pull off the miracle required to turn this squad around. Now whether he keeps them up is more a matter of how QPR finish. Much like ourselves under McLeish and Lambert last season, Sunderland must rely on 3 teams being shitter, rather than anything they might actually do themselves.


I didn't realise Defoe was that old, but thinking about it he must be.
Sunderland will still be paying Defoe £70,000 per week when he is 36 years old.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Damo70 on March 18, 2015, 09:45:29 PM
Sunderland are in a horrific mess. Their defence looks almost unsalvageable. Beyond Brown and O'Shea (both well past it) they only have a couple of poor foreign CH's in on loan who haven't adapted to the Prem. Their best striker is Defoe who is 33 years old and will always be on the periphery of games. Again, it goes back to the Bent argument. Yes he might put a chance away and score goals, but you sacrifice a player in the general play. Defoe probably touched the ball few enough times you could count on your fingers at the weekend.
They lack pace. Their best player is currently out of action indefinitely. It's a shambles. Advocaat's track record doesn't suggest he'd be able to pull off the miracle required to turn this squad around. Now whether he keeps them up is more a matter of how QPR finish. Much like ourselves under McLeish and Lambert last season, Sunderland must rely on 3 teams being shitter, rather than anything they might actually do themselves.


I didn't realise Defoe was that old, but thinking about it he must be.
Sunderland will still be paying Defoe £70,000 per week when he is 36 years old.


I think Leeds might still be paying Robbie Fowler 70 grand a week. ;)
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: supertom on March 18, 2015, 10:17:45 PM
Sunderland are in a horrific mess. Their defence looks almost unsalvageable. Beyond Brown and O'Shea (both well past it) they only have a couple of poor foreign CH's in on loan who haven't adapted to the Prem. Their best striker is Defoe who is 33 years old and will always be on the periphery of games. Again, it goes back to the Bent argument. Yes he might put a chance away and score goals, but you sacrifice a player in the general play. Defoe probably touched the ball few enough times you could count on your fingers at the weekend.
They lack pace. Their best player is currently out of action indefinitely. It's a shambles. Advocaat's track record doesn't suggest he'd be able to pull off the miracle required to turn this squad around. Now whether he keeps them up is more a matter of how QPR finish. Much like ourselves under McLeish and Lambert last season, Sunderland must rely on 3 teams being shitter, rather than anything they might actually do themselves.


I didn't realise Defoe was that old, but thinking about it he must be.
Sunderland will still be paying Defoe £70,000 per week when he is 36 years old.
Even QPR thought better of signing him.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Matt C on March 19, 2015, 03:38:37 AM
I forgot he was even playing on Saturday.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Tom_Mc9? on March 19, 2015, 10:22:04 AM
We should be okay. Hopefully April doesn't destroy the newfound belief the squad seem to have. I'm awaiting 'honeymoon period over' cliches in the regional press.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 19, 2015, 02:10:23 PM
We should be okay. Hopefully April doesn't destroy the newfound belief the squad seem to have. I'm awaiting 'honeymoon period over' cliches in the regional press.

In April we really need beat QPR and get a positive result in at least one of the other games.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: silhillvilla on March 19, 2015, 03:05:47 PM
We should be okay. Hopefully April doesn't destroy the newfound belief the squad seem to have. I'm awaiting 'honeymoon period over' cliches in the regional press.

In April we really need beat QPR and get a positive result in at least one of the other games.
The semi ?
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: richl on March 19, 2015, 06:46:30 PM
Jelavic from hull out for 6 weeks will help.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: The Left Side on March 19, 2015, 08:35:09 PM
Jelavic from hull out for 6 weeks will help.

That won't help them in the run in, shame.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: silhillvilla on March 19, 2015, 08:39:18 PM
If I could choose 3 to go it would be qpr Everton and WBA
I quite like the away days of hull, Sunderland , Leicester and burnley.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: OCD on March 19, 2015, 08:47:31 PM
Jelavic from hull out for 6 weeks will help.

That won't help them in the run in, shame.

Neither will their fixture list.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: TheMalandro on March 19, 2015, 09:07:41 PM
If I could choose 3 to go it would be qpr Everton and WBA
I quite like the away days of hull, Sunderland , Leicester and burnley.

Chelsea, Newcastle and man utd
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Richard E on March 19, 2015, 09:20:07 PM
If I could choose 3 to go it would be qpr Everton and WBA
I quite like the away days of hull, Sunderland , Leicester and burnley.

Chelsea, Newcastle and man utd
If I could choose the three teams to go down it would be Liverpool, Liverpool and Liverpool.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Des Little on March 19, 2015, 09:30:40 PM
If I could choose 3 to go it would be qpr Everton and WBA
I quite like the away days of hull, Sunderland , Leicester and burnley.

Chelsea, Newcastle and man utd
If I could choose the three teams to go down it would be Liverpool, Liverpool and Liverpool.


***applauds***
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Damo70 on March 19, 2015, 09:33:00 PM
Albion, Everton and anyone else but us to be replaced by Watford, Bournemouth and Brentford would be my ideal scenario. But in reality just one more win for Albion and two more wins for Everton would make them as good as safe.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Richard E on March 19, 2015, 09:35:49 PM
The possibility of being in a lower division than Bournemouth and Brentford is too awful to contemplate.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: silhillvilla on March 19, 2015, 09:37:06 PM
Unfortunately we (Lambert) gifted 3 points to Everton and WBA aswell as 3 to hull , qpr , Leicester . Bad times.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: pooligan on March 19, 2015, 09:48:42 PM
Would love to see Everton go down,but that win at the weekend over Newcastle probably means they only need a couple of wins to survive
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: silhillvilla on March 19, 2015, 09:53:09 PM
Can't believe we are still below Hull.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Richard E on March 19, 2015, 09:54:48 PM
Can't believe we are still below Hull.

We won't be for much longer.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: silhillvilla on March 19, 2015, 09:55:55 PM
Can't believe we are still below Hull.

We won't be for much longer.
Good.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: silhillvilla on March 21, 2015, 09:41:17 PM
Think we are in the shite again now.
Leicester are gone. Qpr too if they don't win tomorrow . If they do though !
Then it's between us qpr , Sunderland burnley and hull to fill 2 other slots.
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Post by: walsall villain on March 21, 2015, 09:44:04 PM
Think we are in the shite again now.
Leicester are gone. Qpr too if they don't win tomorrow . If they do though !
Then it's between us qpr , Sunderland burnley and hull to fill 2 other slots.

If QPR win it might change things but so far 4 from bottom 6 have all lost so you could say we are no more in the shite than at 5 o'clock last Saturday.
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Post by: silhillvilla on March 21, 2015, 09:47:42 PM
Think we are in the shite again now.
Leicester are gone. Qpr too if they don't win tomorrow . If they do though !
Then it's between us qpr , Sunderland burnley and hull to fill 2 other slots.

If QPR win it might change things but so far 4 from bottom 6 have all lost so you could say we are no more in the shite than at 5 o'clock last Saturday.
Kind of disagree. Today was winnable or at least a point. Of our remaining 8 , 4 look very very X rated territory.
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Post by: Ad@m on March 21, 2015, 10:03:06 PM
Especially when you compare our run in to the easy run ins Hull and Sunderland have got...
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: SoccerHQ on March 21, 2015, 10:05:06 PM
It's worth noting the Arsenal-Sunderland game got moved to the final midweek of the season.

So Sunderland will finish their season with away games at Arsenal and then at Chelsea.

So they need to pick up some points sharpish in their six other games between now and then.
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Post by: silhillvilla on March 21, 2015, 10:05:29 PM
Especially when you compare our run in to the easy run ins Hull and Sunderland have got...
I think ours is as bad as theirs
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Post by: Richard E on March 21, 2015, 10:06:39 PM
Especially when you compare our run in to the easy run ins Hull and Sunderland have got...

Quite. I could see Hull easily not getting more than 3 more points.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: SoccerHQ on March 21, 2015, 10:09:55 PM
Especially when you compare our run in to the easy run ins Hull and Sunderland have got...
I think ours is as bad as theirs

We're still 2 clear of them with a slightly better GD now so they'll have to gain 3 more points between now and the end of the season.

I have to say Hull's is the worst of the lot. They could quite easily lose 4/5 home games left and their fifth is v Burnley and that's a game we can't really lose in as you'd think the loser of that would struggle to recover to stay up.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Richard E on March 21, 2015, 10:11:38 PM
I don't think we should write off the Spurs and Southampton games even if you accept we will get naff all against United or City.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: silhillvilla on March 21, 2015, 10:15:38 PM
Hull will probably beat burnley and get another freak win somewhere, arsenal at home would be my guess.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: SoccerHQ on March 21, 2015, 10:16:56 PM
Hull will probably beat burnley and get another freak win somewhere, arsenal at home would be my guess.

So given Burnley are on 25 points and actually have a 3 goal worse GD than us that will send them hurtling towards relegation I take it?
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: silhillvilla on March 21, 2015, 10:26:32 PM
Hull will probably beat burnley and get another freak win somewhere, arsenal at home would be my guess.

So given Burnley are on 25 points and actually have a 3 goal worse GD than us that will send them hurtling towards relegation I take it?
I think burnley will be quietly confident with their run in - Everton Leicester West Ham, Stoke and us ! Amongst others
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: dave.woodhall on March 21, 2015, 10:37:16 PM
Hull will probably beat burnley and get another freak win somewhere, arsenal at home would be my guess.

So given Burnley are on 25 points and actually have a 3 goal worse GD than us that will send them hurtling towards relegation I take it?
I think burnley will be quietly confident with their run in - Everton Leicester West Ham, Stoke and us ! Amongst others

They'll lose to Hull but will be confident about beating West Ham and Stoke. Remind me again how your mind works.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Steve67 on March 21, 2015, 10:42:27 PM
Having three out of our last four games at home, one would hope, will do us a huge favour. But seeing as our home form over the last few years has been so very poor, I'm not sure it'll be that much of an advantage!
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: silhillvilla on March 21, 2015, 10:49:40 PM
Hull will probably beat burnley and get another freak win somewhere, arsenal at home would be my guess.

So given Burnley are on 25 points and actually have a 3 goal worse GD than us that will send them hurtling towards relegation I take it?
I think burnley will be quietly confident with their run in - Everton Leicester West Ham, Stoke and us ! Amongst others

They'll lose to Hull but will be confident about beating West Ham and Stoke. Remind me again how your mind works.
It works on the mode, we've relied on others to dig us out the shit for 2 or 3 years and at some point that luck will run out.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: olaftab on March 21, 2015, 10:50:42 PM
A win today would have almost guaranteed us survival however..... Whilst there are only two teams below us for safety cushion (QPR and Leicester are gone) we need to get something at OT and beat QPR and than we will be fine.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: dave.woodhall on March 21, 2015, 10:52:09 PM
Hull will probably beat burnley and get another freak win somewhere, arsenal at home would be my guess.

So given Burnley are on 25 points and actually have a 3 goal worse GD than us that will send them hurtling towards relegation I take it?
I think burnley will be quietly confident with their run in - Everton Leicester West Ham, Stoke and us ! Amongst others

They'll lose to Hull but will be confident about beating West Ham and Stoke. Remind me again how your mind works.
It works on the mode, we've relied on others to dig us out the shit for 2 or 3 years and at some point that luck will run out.

And how does that relate to Hull?
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: olaftab on March 21, 2015, 10:54:56 PM

It works on the mode, we've relied on others to dig us out the shit for 2 or 3 years and at some point that luck will run out.

No we have not.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: silhillvilla on March 21, 2015, 11:04:22 PM

It works on the mode, we've relied on others to dig us out the shit for 2 or 3 years and at some point that luck will run out.

No we have not.
We can't keep going sub 40 points and keep getting away with it.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: olaftab on March 21, 2015, 11:15:49 PM
Sub 40 has nought to do with it. We have stayed up because we have been better than relegated teams however must admit it's not good.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: OCD on March 21, 2015, 11:21:43 PM

It works on the mode, we've relied on others to dig us out the shit for 2 or 3 years and at some point that luck will run out.

No we have not.
We can't keep going sub 40 points and keep getting away with it.

Since 1999 (so 16 years), 40 points or more has been needed on only 3 occasions. It's been more common to need less than 36 points (7 occasions) and 31 points was enough in 2010.

40 points gets thrown around a lot just because it's a nice round number.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Dave on March 21, 2015, 11:22:15 PM
Hull will probably beat burnley and get another freak win somewhere, arsenal at home would be my guess.
So Hull are going to get a "freak win" against Arsenal, yet according to you we might as well not bother turning up for four of our remaining eight games.

Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: silhillvilla on March 21, 2015, 11:27:53 PM
Hull will probably beat burnley and get another freak win somewhere, arsenal at home would be my guess.
So Hull are going to get a "freak win" against Arsenal, yet according to you we might as well not bother turning up for four of our remaining eight games.
Fair point we will probably spring a surprise somewhere . I think we will gather 7 or 8 more points which should do it.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Goldie.7 on March 21, 2015, 11:53:55 PM
Manure will be targeting our game as an automatic 3 points which will hopefully be their downfall as they have 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' tomorrow then Citeh and Chelski after us. I'm expecting at least a point tbh. I think we can grind out a result, every game needs to count, we simply cannot afford to have the 'typical' mindset of writing off games. We do not want to be going into the qpr game off the back of two poor results.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on March 22, 2015, 11:06:35 AM
Everyone knows that in this league anyone can beat anyone. I wouldn't ever write off any game. I actually fancy us to nab a point or 2 against the Manchester clubs.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Mortimer's Bear on March 22, 2015, 11:21:57 AM
Everyone knows that in this league anyone can beat anyone. I wouldn't ever write off any game. I actually fancy us to nab a point or 2 against the Manchester clubs.

I tend to agree with that, I could see us nicking a couple of tricky away points then slipping up against QPR at home or something.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: supertom on March 22, 2015, 12:03:31 PM
I fancy a result in one of the UTD, City and Spurs games. I do think with the mentality Sherwood has, we'll surprise someone, or catch them in 2nd gear (As Burnley did with City).

It's clear that survival largely rests on winning the QPR and Burnley games though. We also need to take something from West Ham too. It's going to be tight, but I think we'll do it. Largely by virtue of Sunderland and QPR being awful.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: OCD on March 22, 2015, 02:59:43 PM
United seem to be playing a blinder at Liverpool. If they win that, I can foresee a circumstance where they're all patting themselves on the back for a job well done, the media are all over them and then we get a result out of nowhere.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: silhillvilla on March 22, 2015, 03:59:09 PM
United seem to be playing a blinder at Liverpool. If they win that, I can foresee a circumstance where they're all patting themselves on the back for a job well done, the media are all over them and then we get a result out of nowhere.
Them winning today I think suits us better than playing them coming off say a defeat against the scousers ?
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: silhillvilla on March 22, 2015, 05:56:50 PM
Game 31 in our mini league
Man Utd v Villa
Leicester v West Ham
Swansea v Hull
WBA v qpr
Burnley v Spurs
Sunderland v Newcastle
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Des Little on March 22, 2015, 06:00:51 PM
We are riding our luck with others losing. Sooner or later there's going to be a shock result to really shake things up - let's just hope it's us winning at United.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: ez on March 22, 2015, 06:14:48 PM
I think Sunderland have had it. They look as hopeless in front of goal as we did under Lambert.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on March 22, 2015, 06:17:47 PM
Game 31 in our mini league
Man Utd v Villa
Leicester v West Ham
Swansea v Hull
WBA v qpr
Burnley v Spurs
Sunderland v Newcastle

Leicester are gone.
QPR almost gone.
Hull are showing plenty of fight and despite losing today, can take something to go again.
Burnley have been battling all season and are still up for the fight.
Sunderland will collapse if they lose to Newcastle.
Us? Who knows what to expect. On yesterday's performance I'm more worried than I think I should be.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: peter w on March 22, 2015, 06:35:01 PM
I don't really care about others around us (well obviously i do) because there are always strange results at this time of the season. We get the points that we need, and the games are there to do it, then we'll have escaped again. I'm not overly confident still but at least there's a buffer zone between us and the bottom 3. yesterday is bloody annoying but its gone and no damage done. But there again, that's what everyone else around us is thinking.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: silhillvilla on March 22, 2015, 06:46:16 PM
We really should be winning our remaining 4 home games.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Richard E on March 22, 2015, 06:47:32 PM
We really should be winning our remaining 4 home games.

Absolutely.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Des Little on March 22, 2015, 06:49:15 PM
We really should be winning our remaining 4 home games.

Absolutely.

I'd settle for three then the fourth being irrelevant!
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Ad@m on March 22, 2015, 07:47:05 PM
We are riding our luck with others losing. Sooner or later there's going to be a shock result to really shake things up - let's just hope it's us winning at United.

You mean like Burnley beating Man City last week?!
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 22, 2015, 07:50:36 PM
I think QPR and Leicester are gone. You can put up an argument why any of Us Sunderland, Hull and Burnley could get enough points to stay up.
I just hope it does not go to the last day.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on March 22, 2015, 07:58:33 PM
This is going to the last game I can just feel it.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: myf on March 22, 2015, 08:03:28 PM
If you project forward sherwoods results we'll finish on 42 I think. Project forward our last 8 league results and it will be 34
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Villafirst on March 22, 2015, 08:54:44 PM
We need some of these 'injured' players back! Still need Vlaar if he could only get fit. I think we'll survive.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: ROBBO on March 22, 2015, 10:08:25 PM
Agree with this still believe Vlar to be our best centreman even though Clark has been stoic over the last few weks. I hope we can Senderos back as well made us look solid at the back.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: silhillvilla on March 22, 2015, 10:27:43 PM
We need some of these 'injured' players back! Still need Vlaar if he could only get fit. I think we'll survive.
Not sure Vlaar wants to be fit for us.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Steve67 on March 22, 2015, 10:37:59 PM
Clark has been good, but he should have been a lot stronger when he and Gomis were heading towards our goal yesterday. Get a commanding centre back next to him and he could turn out to he really useful for us. We need a beast next to him though.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on March 22, 2015, 10:44:32 PM
Clark has been good, but he should have been a lot stronger when he and Gomis were heading towards our goal yesterday. Get a commanding centre back next to him and he could turn out to he really useful for us. We need a beast next to him though.
Glad you said it first Newby...I love Clark, but there was no doubt Gomis got in front of him for the goal yesterday, and stayed there over some distance. Writing was on the wall too from Montero who had already had a few good strong runs down the left that Bacuna couldn't deal with...which I think Hutton would have had he played in his proper position.
With a bit more coaching I think Okore is that beast you think we need.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 22, 2015, 10:45:18 PM
Vlaar when fit is better than Okore. Okore is still very much learning the game, a bit like Clark a couple of seasons back. Vlaar and Clark are our best two CB's.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: silhillvilla on March 22, 2015, 10:48:16 PM
Clark kept us at 0/0 by HT, great goaline block
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Louzie0 on March 22, 2015, 10:50:26 PM
We need some of these 'injured' players back! Still need Vlaar if he could only get fit. I think we'll survive.

The break is coming just at the right time for TS and the coaches to work some more magic with improving players and for injured players to be re assimilated.

Everything crossed for survival after this weekend when other results have gone our way.

C'mooooon!
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Steve67 on March 22, 2015, 10:51:13 PM
I like Okore, but his positioning is sometimes poor. In absolute no man's land for their goal yesterday, just by way of an example. He just needs more time at this level I guess, but with Vlaar on his bike, we need to bring someone in anyway. Might as well be a beast!! 😁
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Steve67 on March 22, 2015, 10:53:22 PM
Clark kept us at 0/0 by HT, great goaline block

Yes, correct. But push came to shove with the goal and he should have been stronger. Good player, doing well, but still learning the dirty bits of the game.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: silhillvilla on March 22, 2015, 10:56:57 PM
Clark kept us at 0/0 by HT, great goaline block

Yes, correct. But push came to shove with the goal and he should have been stronger. Good player, doing well, but still learning the dirty bits of the game.
Their goal was not Clarks fault at all.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Steve67 on March 22, 2015, 11:06:13 PM
Win as a team, lose as a team. I am not blaming Clark for the goal. I am simply stating that he should/could have been stronger in preventing Gomis from getting to the ball ahead of him.great pass from Routledge, even better ball in from Montero. Poor defending from Bacuna, Okore and, unfortunately, for the otherwise reliable, Clark.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: supertom on March 22, 2015, 11:08:12 PM
Clark kept us at 0/0 by HT, great goaline block

Yes, correct. But push came to shove with the goal and he should have been stronger. Good player, doing well, but still learning the dirty bits of the game.
Their goal was not Clarks fault at all.
To be fair to Clark he will come up against front men that are stronger than him. Gomis being one. Okore and Bacuna spent large parts of the game bouncing off Gomis like a rag doll. I think it were more a case that we just got caught out be a swift counter. I can't fault Clark too much on it, after all without him we'd have been dead and buried by that point. He's barely put a foot wrong all season...which given last season has been a remarkable turn around. He started the season 5th choice.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: supertom on March 22, 2015, 11:10:23 PM
Win as a team, lose as a team. I am not blaming Clark for the goal. I am simply stating that he should/could have been stronger in preventing Gomis from getting to the ball ahead of him.great pass from Routledge, even better ball in from Montero. Poor defending from Bacuna, Okore and, unfortunately, for the otherwise reliable, Clark.
The only thing I think he could have done would be to foul him really and given the position would probably have been a straight red. Gomis will physically dominate a lot of CH's. Benteke on a good day too, sadly he didn't really.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: silhillvilla on March 22, 2015, 11:14:25 PM
Blaming Clark for the goal is silly.
Defending a pin point cross like that on the counter is virtually impossible
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Ad@m on March 23, 2015, 05:51:36 AM
Blaming Clark for the goal is silly.
Defending a pin point cross like that on the counter is virtually impossible

Completely absolving of blame the player right next to the fella who scored is a bit silly too.

As others have said, he needs to learn how to deal with physically stronger players than him if he's going to be a top defender, especiallyin a situation like Saturday when he's ran alongside him for half the length of the pitch and still hasn't got in front of him.
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Post by: john e on March 23, 2015, 08:16:53 AM
Blaming Clark for the goal is silly.
Defending a pin point cross like that on the counter is virtually impossible

Player of the season contender is Clark,
But he shouldn't have let Gomez score that goal, the ball was there to be cleared and defended and he came up short on this occasion

Still having a great season though imo
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Post by: OCD on March 23, 2015, 04:39:30 PM
Clark's not always going to be the faster player. In situations like that, you've got to stop the cross. That Montero had already beaten Bacuna once and looked dangerous. We either needed someone to get back and support Bacuna or swap Bacuna and Hutton over so that an experienced defender was defending.
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Post by: brian green on March 23, 2015, 05:00:24 PM
Bacuna was our weak spot not Clark.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on March 23, 2015, 05:08:39 PM
I appreciate they haven't been doing it all season but has anyone seen Leicester's last few games of the season.  Some very winnable ones there. 
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Post by: tomd2103 on March 23, 2015, 05:58:59 PM
I appreciate they haven't been doing it all season but has anyone seen Leicester's last few games of the season.  Some very winnable ones there.

Could be down by then.
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Post by: The Left Side on March 23, 2015, 06:10:22 PM
I just did a match predictor and was quite cautious and had it between us, Hull and Burnley. Unsurprisingly it will be the home games where we need the points anything we can get on the road is a bonus. A little crumb of comfort is that we held our own against a decent team like Swansea and could have snuck it so we should get something from our home games with a little luck and our crowd behind us.
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Post by: ChicagoLion on March 23, 2015, 07:39:29 PM
I just did a match predictor and was quite cautious and had it between us, Hull and Burnley. Unsurprisingly it will be the home games where we need the points anything we can get on the road is a bonus. A little crumb of comfort is that we held our own against a decent team like Swansea and could have snuck it so we should get something from our home games with a little luck and our crowd behind us.
No shit Sherlock ? no Sunderland?
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Post by: kippaxvilla2 on March 23, 2015, 07:42:36 PM
How much 'holding our own' against Swansea depicts how far we have fallen.  If they get through this there simply must be radical changes of policy in the summer.
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Post by: The Left Side on March 23, 2015, 07:50:21 PM
I just did a match predictor and was quite cautious and had it between us, Hull and Burnley. Unsurprisingly it will be the home games where we need the points anything we can get on the road is a bonus. A little crumb of comfort is that we held our own against a decent team like Swansea and could have snuck it so we should get something from our home games with a little luck and our crowd behind us.
No shit Sherlock ? no Sunderland?

Them too Dr Watson
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Post by: Des Little on March 23, 2015, 08:56:11 PM
The way I see it we're in a 4 team league and we just need to finish third. Hardly ambitious I know, but I'd take that right now. Actually, if we can't manage that we deserve to go.
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Post by: silhillvilla on March 23, 2015, 09:52:34 PM
Bacuna was our weak spot not Clark.
That's the way I see it. Very hard to support any argument that Clark was at fault for the goal.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: john e on March 24, 2015, 08:11:02 AM
Bacuna was our weak spot not Clark.
That's the way I see it. Very hard to support any argument that Clark was at fault for the goal.


The fact that the player he was supposed to be marking scored the goal might be a flaw in the argument
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Post by: Damo70 on March 24, 2015, 08:55:06 AM
How much 'holding our own' against Swansea depicts how far we have fallen.  If they get through this there simply must be radical changes of policy in the summer.

Surely your not questioning the policies that brought the likes of Keane, Cole and Senderos to the club?
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Post by: nodge on March 24, 2015, 09:04:54 AM
Well let's hope McNulty's predictions for the top 4 are wrong. He's got us to lose all 4 away games with a goal difference of -9.
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Post by: Des Little on March 24, 2015, 12:34:54 PM
Is anyone else's life pretty much dominated by this whole r********n nightmare? 
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Post by: TheMalandro on March 24, 2015, 02:04:52 PM
Is anyone else's life pretty much dominated by this whole r********n nightmare? 

I shouldn't admit it, but yes this is very slow, very painful and very much déjà vu.
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Post by: Holte L2 on March 24, 2015, 03:08:40 PM
This is going to the last game I can just feel it.

I really hope not.  My best mate is a Burnley fan.  He'll be in the ground. He also cares a lot about Villa.  Neither of us want a last day winner takes all scenario.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: silhillvilla on March 24, 2015, 03:38:28 PM
Bacuna was our weak spot not Clark.
That's the way I see it. Very hard to support any argument that Clark was at fault for the goal.


The fact that the player he was supposed to be marking scored the goal might be a flaw in the argument
You miss the point. If Bacuna hadn't been caught etc etc
Defending that cross was mission impossible
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Post by: Dave on March 24, 2015, 05:02:05 PM
I think it's one of those goals where I'm not sure it's worth pointing blame at any specific player.

The reason that we conceded it was that we were pushing forward trying to get a winner, which left space at the back. I'm pretty sure that at some point during Sherwood's tenure that pushing for a winner at 0-0 will go in our favour, this time it didn't.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on March 24, 2015, 05:05:59 PM
I think it's one of those goals where I'm not sure it's worth pointing blame at any specific player.

The reason that we conceded it was that we were pushing forward trying to get a winner, which left space at the back. I'm pretty sure that at some point during Sherwood's tenure that pushing for a winner at 0-0 will go in our favour, this time it didn't.

It already has in the first game vs Albion. Last minute goals are a kick in the balls and often more memorable than the ones when we win.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Dave on March 24, 2015, 05:28:35 PM
It already has in the first game vs Albion.
Yup, good point.

Those two games could just have easily seen their endings switched with West Brom snatching a late winner on the break and Saturday seeing us do it.
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Post by: Risso on March 24, 2015, 07:15:28 PM
It already has in the first game vs Albion.
Yup, good point.

Those two games could just have easily seen their endings switched with West Brom snatching a late winner on the break and Saturday seeing us do it.

And even then, had Sinclair showed a bit more composure in the last minute, the policy would have seen us end with a deserved draw.  We'll be fine.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: exigo on March 24, 2015, 07:20:01 PM
And under Sherwood we're more likely to win and lose over two games, than draw both. It's better for points, but not doing my ticker much good.
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Post by: Legion on March 24, 2015, 07:21:58 PM
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Post by: Legion on March 24, 2015, 07:25:45 PM
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Post by: silhillvilla on March 24, 2015, 07:41:08 PM
Are those the designs for next seasons Season Ticket ?
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: john e on March 25, 2015, 08:12:39 AM
I think the QPR match is a lifeline, man Utd, spurs and man city one after another would have put us in the bottom 3, might still do

The pressure on that QPR game will be immense, if we can handle that and win I think we will stay up if we lose I reckon we will drop
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: TheMalandro on March 25, 2015, 08:19:56 AM
I think the Burnley- Leicester game could be key, Leicester win and that could knock the stuffing out of Burnley.
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Post by: silhillvilla on March 25, 2015, 11:49:52 AM
I think the Burnley- Leicester game could be key, Leicester win and that could knock the stuffing out of Burnley.
If the games at burnley I see little hope of a Leicester win
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: john e on March 25, 2015, 12:55:01 PM
I know its all conjecture
but I reckon 35 points will be enough

so if we only take 3 points (QPR) out of the next 4 games, which is very probable we will need a further 4 points from our final 4 games against everton, west ham, Southampton and burnley

which I think we will do,
that's what I reckon anyroad

btw I don't agree that we have an easier run in than the rest, I think its pretty testing

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Post by: Richard E on March 25, 2015, 12:59:53 PM
I know its all conjecture
but I reckon 35 points will be enough

so if we only take 3 points (QPR) out of the next 4 games, which is very probable we will need a further 4 points from our final 4 games against everton, west ham, Southampton and burnley

which I think we will do,
that's what I reckon anyroad

btw I don't agree that we have an easier run in than the rest, I think its pretty testing



The Daily Heil had an article in the last couple of days which had us finishing 15th on 35 points and Sunderland, Leicester and QPR going down.

I was confident we were going to be fine but now they've backed us we're screwed.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: McGraths Dry Cleaning on March 25, 2015, 01:06:55 PM
Usually someone gets some unexpected results - us included - so all to play for. As in previous years its all totally in our hands. This time of year is getting a bit like groundhog day though.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: peter w on March 25, 2015, 04:33:17 PM
Clark kept us at 0/0 by HT, great goaline block

Yes, correct. But push came to shove with the goal and he should have been stronger. Good player, doing well, but still learning the dirty bits of the game.
Their goal was not Clarks fault at all.

He had  gotten onto the wrong side of Gomis which was poor. And should have been a bit cuter and pulled Gomis back when still ten yeards out of the box. At worse a yellow card and missing Old trafford.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Matt Collins on March 26, 2015, 07:03:30 AM
The QPR game is absolutely huge. There's rarely a must win game but this is pretty close

If it means resting benteke for the Man U game i'd be happy with that.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Gregorys Boy on March 26, 2015, 09:45:25 AM
The QPR game is absolutely huge. There's rarely a must win game but this is pretty close

If it means resting benteke for the Man U game i'd be happy with that.

Good point and I agree.  QPR away from home are terrible and their confidence quite low at the moment so we need to win that one if we do and pick up the odd point elsewhere then we should be fine.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: peter w on March 26, 2015, 09:50:12 AM
I think we should go for Man Us throat. they ain't that good.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Gregorys Boy on March 26, 2015, 09:53:46 AM
I think we should go for Man Us throat. they ain't that good.

I think we could get something there are clear weakenesses but they are on a good run at the moment and have grided results out against better teams like us. 

I think what is saving us again this season is that the standard of teams that have come up have not been very good and that the PL in generally is weak.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: AVH87 on March 26, 2015, 11:53:51 AM
The games at Villa Park are of massive importance. We will need at least 2 more wins this season and the chances of getting them on the road don't look good. We need to beat QPR and one of Everton or West Ham and with a draw or 2 thrown in before the final game of the season against Burnley hopefully we will avoid squeaky bum time by having a 4 point gap over them, Sunderland or both.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Matt Collins on March 27, 2015, 10:52:25 PM
Man U are right in form

I'd be very surprised if we get anything there. We never do anyway and sherwood doesn't have a good record against top four sides

It's all about QPR for me. Any points in the games either side would be a bonus
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: silhillvilla on March 28, 2015, 09:44:26 AM
I'd be fully focused on qpr . If Benteke needs resting (even Clark 9 bookings ?) so be it. Hopefully vlaar senderos cissoko are going to show up soon.
Beat qpr and I think we will be ok.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: john e on March 28, 2015, 11:15:18 AM
I think we should go for Man Us throat. they ain't that good.

I think we could get something there are clear weakenesses but they are on a good run at the moment and have grided results out against better teams like us. 

I think what is saving us again this season is that the standard of teams that have come up have not been very good and that the PL in generally is weak.

i'l lay you 10 trillion/1 we get nowt
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Post by: Pete3206 on March 28, 2015, 11:56:08 AM
I'll take that bet and I'm laying down 1p right  now.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: villan from luton on March 28, 2015, 10:39:27 PM
Clark kept us at 0/0 by HT, great goaline block

Yes, correct. But push came to shove with the goal and he should have been stronger. Good player, doing well, but still learning the dirty bits of the game.
Their goal was not Clarks fault at all.

He had  gotten onto the wrong side of Gomis which was poor. And should have been a bit cuter and pulled Gomis back when still ten yeards out of the box. At worse a yellow card and missing Old trafford.

Bacuna's fault, as soon as the sub came on should have switched full backs over as Monteiro is a class player
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Post by: OCD on March 28, 2015, 11:06:03 PM
That's the manager's call. He can't just get beaten once and then run across to the other side of the pitch and tell Hutton to swap with him.
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Post by: villan from luton on March 29, 2015, 12:03:40 AM
That's the manager's call. He can't just get beaten once and then run across to the other side of the pitch and tell Hutton to swap with him.

I didn't say it was not the managers call. He got skinned straight away and yet, it is the managers fault there imo
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Post by: OCD on March 29, 2015, 03:10:43 PM
You said it was "Bacuna's fault", not "It was Sherwood's fault for not switching Bacuna and Hutton over or not giving Bacuna more support." I said in the post match thread that Sherwood should have taken action after the first time he was beaten so I wouldn't have disagreed with that.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on March 29, 2015, 03:16:31 PM
I'd be fully focused on qpr . If Benteke needs resting (even Clark 9 bookings ?) so be it. Hopefully vlaar senderos cissoko are going to show up soon.
Beat qpr and I think we will be ok.

I vaguely recall something about the punishment for ten bookings lessening a bit at the end of March, like a clean slate or something.

Not sure though.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: OCD on March 29, 2015, 03:23:21 PM
"Suspensions are automatically imposed for accumulating 5, 10, or 15 cautions in a season. There are cut-off dates for receiving a sanction as a result of accumulated cautions...If they received ten cautions by the second Sunday in April, a ban would apply."

So Clark has to avoid a booking in the United, QPR and Tottenham games to avoid a 2-game ban.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: AVH87 on March 30, 2015, 10:10:18 AM
It can't be very often that all 3 of the promoted teams make up the bottom 3 going in to the last couple of months of the season. 2 already look close to doomed, if Burnley go down that must be the first time in years all 3 have gone straight back down.
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Post by: Meanwood Villa on March 30, 2015, 12:51:06 PM
It can't be very often that all 3 of the promoted teams make up the bottom 3 going in to the last couple of months of the season. 2 already look close to doomed, if Burnley go down that must be the first time in years all 3 have gone straight back down.

Last (and only) time it occurred was 1997/98, Barnsley, Bolton Wanderers, Crystal Palace. The same season the three clubs relegated the previous season filled the top three spots in Div 1 as it was then, Forest, Middlesbrough, Sunderland. But for Clive Mendonca and Michael Gray they would have all gone up as well, Charlton beating Sunderland in the play-off final.
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Post by: Tony Erdington on March 30, 2015, 08:13:57 PM
I will be thrilled with 4 points from our next four games
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Post by: john e on March 30, 2015, 08:38:15 PM
I will be thrilled with 4 points from our next four games

hand snapped off
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Post by: silhillvilla on March 30, 2015, 09:31:19 PM
I will be thrilled with 4 points from our next four games
As long as 3 are off qpr .
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Steve67 on March 30, 2015, 09:58:13 PM
QPR game has become massive. It'll be a bonus to get anything at United or Spurs so beating QPR I am sure in Sherwood's mind is the priority.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on March 31, 2015, 10:11:30 AM
It would be so nice if we could beat Manure, QPR and Spurs and be safe by the time we play the FA Cup semi final.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: john e on March 31, 2015, 11:11:02 AM
It would be so nice if we could beat Manure, QPR and Spurs and be safe by the time we play the FA Cup semi final.

Whilst Kylie pops round for a Snog and Nigella cooks your dinner
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Post by: Des Little on March 31, 2015, 03:56:51 PM
It would be so nice if we could beat Manure, QPR and Spurs and be safe by the time we play the FA Cup semi final.

Whilst Kylie pops round for a Snog and Nigella cooks your dinner

...as you watch your 6 numbers come up on the National Lottery
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on March 31, 2015, 08:10:39 PM
It would be so nice if we could beat Manure, QPR and Spurs and be safe by the time we play the FA Cup semi final.

Whilst Kylie pops round for a Snog and Nigella cooks your dinner

...as you watch your 6 numbers come up on the National Lottery

..which happened minutes after Sherwood had called you asking if you'd lead the lads out at Wembley
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Post by: silhillvilla on March 31, 2015, 08:11:49 PM
It would be so nice if we could beat Manure, QPR and Spurs and be safe by the time we play the FA Cup semi final.

Whilst Kylie pops round for a Snog and Nigella cooks your dinner

...as you watch your 6 numbers come up on the National Lottery

..which happened minutes after Sherwood had called you asking if you'd lead the lads out at Wembley
& while he called Kelly Brook was on call waiting
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 04, 2015, 05:23:40 PM
Ultimately after a pretty dire performane today we need to control our own destiny and stop worrying about how other teams are doing. That needs to be started by beating QPR on Tuesday.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: curiousorange on April 04, 2015, 05:31:33 PM
Sherwood said it was time for the players to feel pressured again. I don't see that from his tenure so far. Against Swansea and Stoke, pressure football and hitting them hard would have resulted in wins against two sides that are largely on the beach, especially in Stoke's case. I think Sherwood has to admit to himself, if he hasn't already, that the reason we lose is because our players just aren't that good.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: supertom on April 04, 2015, 05:53:57 PM
Sherwood said it was time for the players to feel pressured again. I don't see that from his tenure so far. Against Swansea and Stoke, pressure football and hitting them hard would have resulted in wins against two sides that are largely on the beach, especially in Stoke's case. I think Sherwood has to admit to himself, if he hasn't already, that the reason we lose is because our players just aren't that good.
It says a lot that he opted for Cole today. A player who has been there and done it, even though he hasn't been good in about 5 years.

If Timmy didn't realise the state of the squad before, he'll certainly know it by the end of the season. A wholesale change is required.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: curiousorange on April 04, 2015, 05:56:30 PM
Imagine going shopping for Premier League players in a transfer window when money is no object. Here's hoping it won't just be a case of imagining it.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 04, 2015, 06:12:47 PM
Best thing today was Hull losing, I honestly think looking at their fixtures left they'll struggle to get more than 5 points.

QPR is massive though, losing isn't an option.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: curiousorange on April 04, 2015, 06:19:31 PM
Hull and Sunderland are in worse positions than us, even if Hull are currently above us, because their run-in is basically Norwich's last season. I can easily see Newcastle dropping points against Sunderland though. If tomorrow's results go our way, I'll feel a lot better about the QPR game.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: nodge on April 04, 2015, 06:42:55 PM
Out of the bottom 6 we're the favourites to stay up. I'm taking some comfort in that. Still think 8 points out of 21 will keep us up looking at the other team's fixtures.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Mortimer's Bear on April 04, 2015, 06:51:58 PM
Tuesday nights game now takes on even greater importance, absolutely a must win!
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Post by: Ad@m on April 04, 2015, 07:15:16 PM
Tuesday nights game now takes on even greater importance, absolutely a must win!

Like Bolton was the other year?

We should win it but if we don't we'll still be in control of our own destiny. Hull and the Baggies have got horrendous run ins and we'll finish above them both. Leicester are dead already, despite today's win. And we'll better the results of the other three between now and the end of the season.

I reckon we'll finish 14th.
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Post by: supertom on April 04, 2015, 07:25:30 PM
Tuesday nights game now takes on even greater importance, absolutely a must win!
It's going to be key. A 6 point gap and I don't think QPR can make that up. They catch up to us on tuesday and it'll be nose to nose with them until the end I reckon.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Matt Collins on April 04, 2015, 07:38:55 PM
The single most important thing about the QPR game is that the players and fans believe from the outset. If we have a repeat of the sort of tentative performance we've seen all too often, it's going to be horrible.

Guzan - Bacuna Okore Clark Baker - Cleverley, Sanchesz, Delph- N'Zogbia - Gabby, Benteke
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: paulcomben on April 04, 2015, 08:13:59 PM
4 defeats in his 6 league games. Fact. As much as we and many neutral fans believe that Sherwood will pull us clear.
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Post by: silhillvilla on April 04, 2015, 08:39:20 PM
Qpr is massive and we will have to do without POTS Alan Hutton it seems . Sanchez must be dropped. Let's hope westwood is fit and Delph gets a rest, he naively burned his legs off for England .
Benteke scoring today could be massive as it keeps his personal mojo in a good place.

Edit. Just realised cleverly is back for Tuesday, which is good.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 04, 2015, 10:47:16 PM
The single most important thing about the QPR game is that the players and fans believe from the outset. If we have a repeat of the sort of tentative performance we've seen all too often, it's going to be horrible.

Guzan - Bacuna Okore Clark Baker - Cleverley, Sanchesz, Delph- N'Zogbia - Gabby, Benteke

Aye we need to start the game in the same manner as West Brom if possible.

The thing with QPR is I watched them a few weeks back at Palace and they were ripped apart by pace, Zaha, Bolaise and Puncheon tore them to shreds on the break so you have to think we will create chances against them.

West Brom are probably the slowest team in the league 1 to 11 so they were probably good opponents for QPR today.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: supertom on April 04, 2015, 10:56:09 PM
The single most important thing about the QPR game is that the players and fans believe from the outset. If we have a repeat of the sort of tentative performance we've seen all too often, it's going to be horrible.

Guzan - Bacuna Okore Clark Baker - Cleverley, Sanchesz, Delph- N'Zogbia - Gabby, Benteke

Aye we need to start the game in the same manner as West Brom if possible.

The thing with QPR is I watched them a few weeks back at Palace and they were ripped apart by pace, Zaha, Bolaise and Puncheon tore them to shreds on the break so you have to think we will create chances against them.

West Brom are probably the slowest team in the league 1 to 11 so they were probably good opponents for QPR today.
I'd agree on that. It's also something we struggle against which is why we've struggled in the last two games, having played West Brom (as you say, the slowest) and Sunderland (probably pushing West Brom close for that honour).

QPR also struggle as much as anyone to put any sort of run together. I don't think they'll beat us. For ourselves 3 points opens up the gap again. I don't think a point does enough for us. We win and I don't think QPR can catch us.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on April 04, 2015, 11:25:36 PM
We cannot assume that it's Tuesday or bust.  Important yes but we need to relax.  I am only coming at this from the point of view of really strange results at this time of the season.  After all no one saw QPR beating west brazil 4-1.  You just cannot tell what is going to happen.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on April 04, 2015, 11:41:06 PM
From what sherwood was saying earlier Westwood and Sinclair won't make it for Tuesday
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Post by: ozzjim on April 04, 2015, 11:48:55 PM
Both big blows. We are always better with Westwood in than not, and Sinclair gives us that outlet.

I really hope Weimann is out and Gil is in if Sinclair doesn't make it.
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Post by: silhillvilla on April 04, 2015, 11:55:49 PM
Weimann is a waste of a jersey. Sanchez is the equivalent of a 0-1 start in his position.
Full back issues aswell.
Time has caught up on the Lerner years.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: ozzjim on April 05, 2015, 01:21:22 AM
This the Westwood that we have a significantly higher chance of winning with than without. He does the things you don't notice well.

Hutton being out is a blow too, I would imagine Lowton and Bacuna at full back, but I would bring Vlaar back in for Okore in this one, or maybe even for Clark as Austin will manhandle him I fear.

As for the time catching up, we have a genuinely woeful injury list that no side would cope well with at the moment. At least Cleverley will come back into the middle well rested.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: tomd2103 on April 05, 2015, 01:38:16 AM
We cannot assume that it's Tuesday or bust.  Important yes but we need to relax.  I am only coming at this from the point of view of really strange results at this time of the season.  After all no one saw QPR beating west brazil 4-1.  You just cannot tell what is going to happen.

After today, can you really see us getting out of the two other away games this month?  That makes getting something form the game on Tuesday absolutely vital.   
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on April 05, 2015, 01:38:16 AM
Austin shat all over Vlaar I seem to remember for their first goal at QPR.  Don't think Clark played well either mind.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on April 05, 2015, 01:41:54 AM
We cannot assume that it's Tuesday or bust.  Important yes but we need to relax.  I am only coming at this from the point of view of really strange results at this time of the season.  After all no one saw QPR beating west brazil 4-1.  You just cannot tell what is going to happen.

After today, can you really see us getting out of the two other away games this month?  That makes getting something form the game on Tuesday absolutely vital.

I've no idea - I could see us getting soundly beaten in both bit I could also see us getting a point or two.  I can see us winning at least two of our last 7 games which I think will be enough.  Just.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 05, 2015, 08:17:13 AM
I think if we're in the bottom three on Wednesday morning we'll probably go down. Now hopefully that won't happen as three other teams will need to win and we'll be playing one of them.
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Post by: silhillvilla on April 05, 2015, 08:27:55 AM
Beat QPR and take the momentum to Spurs for a 2-2 draw there .
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Post by: OzVilla on April 05, 2015, 10:01:31 AM
I think if we're in the bottom three on Wednesday morning we'll probably go down. Now hopefully that won't happen as three other teams will need to win and we'll be playing one of them.

A win on Tuesday doesn't see us safe, nor will it relegate us. They'll still be loads of twists and turns in these fixtures yet. A win will obviously help us enormously though.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Gregorys Boy on April 05, 2015, 11:02:09 AM
Beat QPR and take the momentum to Spurs for a 2-2 draw there .

Yeah Spur's CL push is just about dead so I am hopeing that we will be able to nick something there.  Also, don't we still have Everton to play?  They don't really have anything left to play for so I think we should target that to try and win.  I really don't want to go into that final game against Burnley needing a result...
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: supertom on April 05, 2015, 01:14:34 PM
I think if we're in the bottom three on Wednesday morning we'll probably go down. Now hopefully that won't happen as three other teams will need to win and we'll be playing one of them.

A win on Tuesday doesn't see us safe, nor will it relegate us. They'll still be loads of twists and turns in these fixtures yet. A win will obviously help us enormously though.
Whilst we're not quite at must-win time yet. Beating Rangers opens up a gap I don't think they could close on us in 6 games.  I would be confident that we'd at least have them and Leicester below us at that point.
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Post by: Legion on April 05, 2015, 01:16:26 PM
Hoping for Newcastle and Spurs to both win today.
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Post by: supertom on April 05, 2015, 01:18:49 PM
Beat QPR and take the momentum to Spurs for a 2-2 draw there .

Yeah Spur's CL push is just about dead so I am hopeing that we will be able to nick something there.  Also, don't we still have Everton to play?  They don't really have anything left to play for so I think we should target that to try and win.  I really don't want to go into that final game against Burnley needing a result...
I'd like to think we could get something from Spurs and Everton but our record against both in recent years has been horrific. It's the sort of games when even if we face them on a downturn, or we're in some kind of form, we still bend over and take it up the tailpipe.
I'd like to think that will change, but our pretty standard surrender to Utd doesn't fill me with hope.

In terms of the Spurs game though, that'll have Sherwood fired up more than any other, so that could work in our favour.
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Post by: berneboy on April 05, 2015, 01:19:25 PM
Hoping for Newcastle and Spurs to both win today.

Hoping?
Pleading. Begging. Crying.

.. and more
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Post by: Legion on April 05, 2015, 01:21:54 PM
As it is Easter Sunday, praying.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: berneboy on April 05, 2015, 01:24:36 PM
Beat QPR and take the momentum to Spurs for a 2-2 draw there .

Sounding like, Timmy. Except he'd be after two wins.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: berneboy on April 05, 2015, 01:25:08 PM
As it is Easter Sunday, praying.

That's what I meant!
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: levico on April 05, 2015, 02:17:22 PM
Burnley looking the most likely so far.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: tomd2103 on April 05, 2015, 02:52:03 PM
Beat QPR and take the momentum to Spurs for a 2-2 draw there .

Yeah Spur's CL push is just about dead so I am hopeing that we will be able to nick something there.  Also, don't we still have Everton to play?  They don't really have anything left to play for so I think we should target that to try and win.  I really don't want to go into that final game against Burnley needing a result...

With our remaining fixtures, I can't really see us pulling clear (if we indeed do) until the last couple of games. 
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 05, 2015, 06:32:02 PM
Win on Tuesday and it looks ok. Lose on Tuesday and we're in an awful lot of trouble.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: tomd2103 on April 05, 2015, 06:53:29 PM
Win on Tuesday and it looks ok. Lose on Tuesday and we're in an awful lot of trouble.

Even a win won't get us too far away from it.  Just looking at the remaining fixtures and some of the teams around us have got difficult run-ins.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: myf on April 05, 2015, 07:43:37 PM
I can see us drawing on Tuesday.  All the positivity of mid march seems to have gone. We never do it the easy way. I suppose qpr have to beat us so will come out all guns blazing which could work in our favour. We also need to improve the GD
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: silhillvilla on April 05, 2015, 07:45:41 PM
I fear it's going to the last day.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Pete3206 on April 05, 2015, 08:05:03 PM
7 games left. That's still a long way to go at this stage of the season.

Do you want to bet against us?
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on April 05, 2015, 08:31:25 PM
I am on concerned street turning into panic drive.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: supertom on April 05, 2015, 09:27:46 PM
Benteke has to turn up. If I'm being generous, he's probably had 3-4 decent performances this season, which is pathetic. He cannot be immune from criticism and blame either. No one makes excuses for players like Tonev etc, so he should be no different. We need a performance from him. The OS posted a picture up advertising tuesdays game. Benteke and Austin head to head. On paper that should be a superb player against an okay player with an exceptional finishing ability. But what it feels more like at the moment is something like a face off between Heskey and Shearer.

It's come to a point now that more than anyone this season, Benteke has disappointed and annoyed me the most. He spends too much time moping and looking languid. I don't think it's merely a confidence issue either (again...more excuses) because after how he played against Sunderland he should have been fired up for the next couple of games but he was piss poor. I know Gabby and Weimann get a lot of stick (rightly) but I actually think Benteke has had a worse season, yet he gets a fraction of the shit they get and they're not half the player he is (or can be).

He needs to pull his finger out. I for one don't think he's putting enough effort in. His expended more energy on moaning and looking dispondent than anything else this season.

I can forgive someone like Weimann because he really works hard. He's just a shit player. That he's playing is a managerial decision. It's the talented members of our squad not giving enough that boil my piss and in the last half dozen games even Zogbia has looked more interested than the big man.

The most frustrating thing is, if he turns up for the last 7 games we'll be home and dry with a couple of games to spare. IF.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: dave.woodhall on April 05, 2015, 09:29:16 PM
Benteke - four in four games, right?
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: supertom on April 05, 2015, 09:35:48 PM
Benteke - four in four games, right?
The goal yesterday was virtually the only thing he did right (and quite fortunate). I felt he was showing signs of getting back to his old self against West Brom and Sunderland. Which makes the last couple of performances pretty galling.

Had he held onto the ball better yesterday and imposed himself on a pretty weak Utd defence, then who knows, the result may have been different.

And of the 3-4 decent displays he's had this season, I count West Brom and Sunderland in there. But out of 20 odd games, that's not good enough.
But I suppose it also highlights our over reliance on him too.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: saunders_heroes on April 05, 2015, 09:37:57 PM
7 games to go, all to play for and we're not in the relegation zone. I was as pissed off as anyone yesterday but we were playing Man Utd at Old Trafford. Our 4 home games are winnable. They'll keep us up.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: dave.woodhall on April 05, 2015, 09:41:10 PM
Four games - four goals. If that's a poor player I wish we had eleven of them.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: supertom on April 05, 2015, 09:45:13 PM
Four games - four goals. If that's a poor player I wish we had eleven of them.
If he scores a few winners in the next four then he can play as badly as he wants. Trouble is we've often relied on an on fire Benteke to drive the team. If the team plays shit, he can still pull something special out the bag single-handed, but those days are become too infrequent.
Four in four is all well and good. But 6 in 22 doesn't look as impressive.
He needs to be fired up tuesday. In principal we should have a field day against QPR's slow and brittle backline.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 05, 2015, 09:47:18 PM
Win on Tuesday and it looks ok. Lose on Tuesday and we're in an awful lot of trouble.

Even a win won't get us too far away from it.  Just looking at the remaining fixtures and some of the teams around us have got difficult run-ins.

I don't know. We'd be 5 points clear of the drop zone, which would be a decent cushion. If we lose on Tuesday we're in a lot of trouble.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Billy Walker on April 05, 2015, 10:05:08 PM
I'm going to be putting a whole load of jinxing bets on Hull, QPR, Burnley et al between now and the end of the season.  My old pal karma will do the rest. 
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on April 05, 2015, 10:12:49 PM
Fair point supertom. I think he is doubly important because he is the one genuinely good player in our squad. Others can play for whatever national team they like but we all know Benteke really is a class above the rest. We need that quality back and fast.

Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: olaftab on April 05, 2015, 10:52:25 PM
The results this weekend have been very bad for us however despite that we are 2 clear of the relegation places. If we don't beat QPR we are going to be in serious trouble.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: olaftab on April 05, 2015, 10:56:10 PM
Quote from: supertom link=topic=53706.msg2809238#msg2809238 date
Four in four is all well and good. But 6 in 22 doesn't look as impressive.
Damn stats!
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Richard E on April 05, 2015, 10:58:22 PM
The bookies still don't think we are going down.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: silhillvilla on April 05, 2015, 11:01:14 PM
If anything positive can be gleaned from the weekend, this set of results should really focus our players minds . If they thought they were safe then they now know better.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: adrenachrome on April 05, 2015, 11:39:20 PM
The bookies still don't think we are going down.

To save pauliewalnuts from posting, at this stage it is the punters and not the bookies which determine the betting market, although you could argue that the term "the bookies" might well encapsulate that idea. 

I have a feeling that the punters sentiment is that we are "too good" to go down. Which we really are not.

I still think we will survive but I would say that the odds are generous.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Clampy on April 05, 2015, 11:43:13 PM
If any player needs to turn up, it's N'Zogbia.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: silhillvilla on April 05, 2015, 11:45:00 PM
If any player needs to turn up, it's N'Zogbia.
? He's been a star performer of late .
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Clampy on April 05, 2015, 11:47:56 PM
If any player needs to turn up, it's N'Zogbia.
? He's been a star performer of late .

Star performer is pushing it slightly.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: silhillvilla on April 05, 2015, 11:49:36 PM
If any player needs to turn up, it's N'Zogbia.
? He's been a star performer of late .

Star performer is pushing it slightly.
It's all relative.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Clampy on April 05, 2015, 11:50:58 PM
If any player needs to turn up, it's N'Zogbia.
? He's been a star performer of late .

Star performer is pushing it slightly.
It's all relative.

No it's not, you called him a 'star performer'. He's had a handful of good games in the 4 season's he's been here.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: silhillvilla on April 05, 2015, 11:53:00 PM
I said star performer "of late"
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Clampy on April 05, 2015, 11:56:36 PM
I said star performer "of late"

Well, he played well in the two albion games and against Sunderland. He didn't do a lot against Swansea and he went missing again yesterday. Star performer is being very generous.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: silhillvilla on April 05, 2015, 11:59:48 PM
I said star performer "of late"

Well, he played well in the two albion games and against Sunderland. He didn't do a lot against Swansea and he went missing again yesterday. Star performer is being very generous.
Like I said, it's all relative.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on April 06, 2015, 12:09:04 AM
Bloody hell. Our injury list is back up to number 1 in the league. FFS Hutton in particular is a blow.

Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: supertom on April 06, 2015, 01:30:26 AM
Fair point supertom. I think he is doubly important because he is the one genuinely good player in our squad. Others can play for whatever national team they like but we all know Benteke really is a class above the rest. We need that quality back and fast.


Absolutely. If he plays well in the next 7 games we stay up with ease. If he plays like he did in the last two games (and much of the season) then it's going to be squeeky bum time come the Burnley game.
We need the Benteke that mullered Anfield a couple of years back. The guy who bullies defenders mercilessly and has opposition players bouncing off him into orbit.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: supertom on April 06, 2015, 01:30:55 AM
Bloody hell. Our injury list is back up to number 1 in the league. FFS Hutton in particular is a blow.


Top of the league!! Woohoo!!
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: tomd2103 on April 06, 2015, 01:55:43 AM
Win on Tuesday and it looks ok. Lose on Tuesday and we're in an awful lot of trouble.

Even a win won't get us too far away from it.  Just looking at the remaining fixtures and some of the teams around us have got difficult run-ins.

I don't know. We'd be 5 points clear of the drop zone, which would be a decent cushion. If we lose on Tuesday we're in a lot of trouble.

True PW, but we would still only be one game away from being right in it again.  With our two fixtures left this month after QPR, it's still too close for comfort.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: john e on April 06, 2015, 08:22:47 AM
Win on Tuesday and it looks ok. Lose on Tuesday and we're in an awful lot of trouble.

Even a win won't get us too far away from it.  Just looking at the remaining fixtures and some of the teams around us have got difficult run-ins.

I don't know. We'd be 5 points clear of the drop zone, which would be a decent cushion. If we lose on Tuesday we're in a lot of trouble.

True PW, but we would still only be one game away from being right in it again.  With our two fixtures left this month after QPR, it's still too close for comfort.

I agree with paulwinch, Tuesday is a make or break game,
If we lose it we will be favourites for the drop I would think, especially with Spurs and man city straight after, it don't bare thinking about

I think we will win on Tuesday mind, but this is as close as it gets
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: JUAN PABLO on April 06, 2015, 09:23:13 AM
Lets hope we get yesterdays spurs too next weekend.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: ROBBO on April 06, 2015, 09:33:30 AM
Well c'mon only a few games left, your pick who's going down who's staying up and which two teams are bankers for relegation. My two are Hull (horrible run home) and Burnley mainly because Leicester have been playing better lately, but Leicester to be the third.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Des Little on April 06, 2015, 10:50:55 AM
Lets hope we get yesterdays spurs too next weekend.

Very unlikely. We'll get the Spurs that smashed Chelsea I bet.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: myf on April 06, 2015, 07:46:57 PM
Having looked at the run ins I think Sunderland will be ok. Even if qpr beat us I think they'll go. Last spot to be taken by hull, Burnley or us. My money would be on hull. Surprisingly makems have lower odds on us for the drop.

Win tomorrow and we're on the final straight
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 06, 2015, 07:49:37 PM
Sunderland had better hope they are safe by the last week of the season. Their last 2 games are Arsenal and Chelsea away.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 06, 2015, 07:59:11 PM
Remaining fixtures, if we assume that Albion on 33 will survive. Slight edit to include current points total.

Sunderland 29 pts
Sunderland v Crystal Palace
Stoke v Sunderland
Sunderland v Southampton
Everton v Sunderland
Sunderland v Leicester
Arsenal v Sunderland
Chelsea v Sunderland

Hull 28 pts
Southampton v Hull
Hull v Liverpool   
Crystal Palace v Hull
Hull v Arsenal
Hull v Burnley
Tottenham v Hull
Hull v Man Utd

Villa 28 pts
Aston Villa v QPR
Tottenham v Aston Villa
Man City v Aston Villa
Aston Villa v Everton
Aston Villa v West Ham
Southampton v Aston Villa
Aston Villa v Burnley

Burnley 26 pts
Burnley v Arsenal
Everton v Burnley
Burnley v Leicester
West Ham v Burnley
Hull v Burnley
Burnley v Stoke
Aston Villa v Burnley

QPR 25 pts
Aston Villa v QPR
QPR v Chelsea
QPR v West Ham
Liverpool v QPR
Man City v QPR
QPR v Newcastle
Leicester v QPR

Leicester 22 pts
West Brom v Leicester
Leicester v Swansea
Burnley v Leicester
Leicester v Chelsea
Leicester v Newcastle
Leicester v Southampton
Sunderland v Leicester
Leicester v QPR
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on April 06, 2015, 08:02:40 PM
That fixture list doesn't give me any comfort at all. Three points tomorrow is essential if we have any plans of staying up.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Ad@m on April 06, 2015, 08:06:07 PM
Our run in is the best out of those. I'm telling you - well finish 14th.

The Baggies are lucky the teams below them are so far back as their run in is horrific.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: curiousorange on April 06, 2015, 08:24:28 PM
That run-in for QPR is shonky as hell. They need the three points more than us.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: silhillvilla on April 06, 2015, 08:32:27 PM
That run-in for QPR is shonky as hell. They need the three points more than us.
I'd say they have some winnable games - West Ham , Leicester,
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: curiousorange on April 06, 2015, 08:36:26 PM
That run-in for QPR is shonky as hell. They need the three points more than us.
I'd say they have some winnable games - West Ham , Leicester,
After we beat them, they'll get six points max. We'll only need to finish ahead of Hull then.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: silhillvilla on April 06, 2015, 08:37:32 PM
Honestly looking at those run ins I think we are fucked.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 06, 2015, 08:40:34 PM
Win tomorrow and we'll be alright I think. I can see us winning a couple more games if we win tomorrow.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: KevinGage on April 06, 2015, 08:42:28 PM
Even if we lose -and Villa being Villa, we were never going do make this easy- there are winnable games in the form of Everton and West Ham at home. I'd hope we're clear before the Burnleh game anyroad.

Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: silhillvilla on April 06, 2015, 08:42:51 PM
Win tomorrow and we'll be alright I think. I can see us winning a couple more games if we win tomorrow.
With all the injuries the qpr game has come at a wretched time. We simply have to win it. A draw won't be good enough. Defeat doesn't bear contemplating.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 06, 2015, 08:45:02 PM
I'm not sure any game looks winnable if we lose to QPR at home.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on April 06, 2015, 09:01:45 PM
Honestly looking at those run ins I think we are fucked.

Why?

We have it in our own hands with QPR and Burnley at home.  Hull have a nightmare fixture list.  Leicester are probably too far behind us.  We have four home matches which are "winnable", and anything we get away will be a bonus.

I think we should finish ahead of Leicester and Hull; meaning we just have to keep ahead of one of Sunderland, Burnley, or QPR - two of which we are ahead of on points and play at home.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: David_Nab on April 06, 2015, 10:01:35 PM
Spurs have a pretty bad injury list at the back and looked poor against Burnley we could get something there.

It's so hard to predict now ..would anyone have had Burnley getting 4points from City and Spurs at home ? There will be teams at top who struggle under pressure and drop points , teams in midtable i.e Newcastle who are just safe enough who will just show up for games now halfassed.

Need to not lose to QPR at minimum which will be tough due to our injuries and them having confidence from the WBA game.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Tony Erdington on April 06, 2015, 10:14:54 PM
well shit wk end result wise.

so ive just looked and hull and qpr are fucked things going to plan, yes bolox everything went tits up this week end and chances of that happening a couple more times , i dont think so.

tomorrow night, the only bad result is defeat, a draw is good, one less game and all that,

for me liecester are gone btw,

UTV
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: supertom on April 06, 2015, 11:36:13 PM
Think we need to win 3 of the 4 home games to be sure. I don't fancy too much out of the away games.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Dave on April 07, 2015, 07:44:26 AM
That run-in for QPR is shonky as hell. They need the three points more than us.
I'd say they have some winnable games - West Ham , Leicester,
Yet we have West Ham and Burnley and you seem sure that we may as well give up now.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Gregorys Boy on April 07, 2015, 09:49:51 AM
Our run in is tough, but I tend to agree that the home games are very winnerable or at least they are games in which we can get results.  I think we need two more wins hopefully starting tonight and then the odd point elsewhere.

I fancy beating West Ham just because they have the look of a side who are in cruise control with nothing much to play for and I don't think they have the best record at VP.  Think we might pick up a point against Everton, but can see that being tough, they are a hard team to predict.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 07, 2015, 10:55:39 AM
Today is pivotal, if not decisive. If we get a win then hopefully we'll still be outside the bottom three at the end of our really difficult April and then confidence should be ok. If we lose then we are in real trouble and could be going into May needing to win 3 games.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: TheMalandro on April 07, 2015, 11:12:39 AM
Today is pivotal, if not decisive. If we get a win then hopefully we'll still be outside the bottom three at the end of our really difficult April and then confidence should be ok. If we lose then we are in real trouble and could be going into May needing to win 3 games.

nice sunny day and then I read that! Its all true but not good for the old heart.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: villa for life on April 07, 2015, 05:25:04 PM
Why does everyone think QPR's run in such a nightmare?

Us- relegation rivals
Chelsea: pretty much champions already
West Ham: nothing to play for
Liverpool: top four pretty much gone
Man city: not going to be champions but going to be top four
Newcastle: shit but will be safe
Leicester: already relegated

That's not a nightmare scenario in my opinion..




Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: silhillvilla on April 07, 2015, 05:49:52 PM
Why does everyone think QPR's run in such a nightmare?

Us- relegation rivals
Chelsea: pretty much champions already
West Ham: nothing to play for
Liverpool: top four pretty much gone
Man city: not going to be champions but going to be top four
Newcastle: shit but will be safe
Leicester: already relegated

That's not a nightmare scenario in my opinion..
Agree, same with Sunderland run In aswell.
We really need to pull out our finger and start winning.
Losing to Swansea, Stoke & Newcastle was shocking and costly.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: supertom on April 07, 2015, 05:57:06 PM
Why does everyone think QPR's run in such a nightmare?

Us- relegation rivals
Chelsea: pretty much champions already
West Ham: nothing to play for
Liverpool: top four pretty much gone
Man city: not going to be champions but going to be top four
Newcastle: shit but will be safe
Leicester: already relegated

That's not a nightmare scenario in my opinion..
Agree, same with Sunderland run In aswell.
We really need to pull out our finger and start winning.
Losing to Swansea, Stoke & Newcastle was shocking and costly.
I don't think losing to Swansea should be that shocking. They're almost 20 points better off than us at the moment. They're far superior in almost every way (a sad indication of how far we've fallen).
Newcastle was indeed poor, particularly given how shit they've been under Carver.
Stoke we were poor but in fairness but for a Vlaar cock up of monumental proportions we come away with a point.

That said if we don't win at the very least 2 of our last 4 home games (ideally we need to win 3) then we're probably going down and will thoroughly deserve it.

The way we've become though, I don't a defeat can ever be described as shocking. It's wholly unsurprising and seems to be our lot in life now.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: aj2k77 on April 07, 2015, 06:12:32 PM
QPR
Everton
West Ham
Burnley

Teams with a combined total of  10 away wins all season from 61 games. If we can't get 6/7 pts from that lot at least then we are shit and not good enough for the Premier League. We should be targeting everything single home game as a fucking win.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: silhillvilla on April 07, 2015, 06:23:22 PM
Losing to swans is no disgrace but the manner of it was poor. We should have seen the game out .
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on April 07, 2015, 06:34:35 PM
QPR
Everton
West Ham
Burnley

Teams with a combined total of  10 away wins all season from 61 games. If we can't get 6/7 pts from that lot at least then we are shit and not good enough for the Premier League. We should be targeting everything single home game as a fucking win.

Yep.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: ozzjim on April 07, 2015, 06:39:46 PM
Stoke, Newcastle and Swansea were all very poor results for different reasons. Newcastle we should have put to bed with the chances we created, Swansea we just had no tactical plan to beat them, and once it was obvious they were the more likely side, having got to the 87th minute to not see it through was pretty awful, and Stoke, having got the early goal, to lose was just atrocious in truth.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 07, 2015, 09:39:26 PM
Pretty poor result tonight, but luckily not completely disastrous. We're still in a lot of trouble.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: TheMalandro on April 07, 2015, 09:41:34 PM
Gave it away. Should have been the easiest 3 points of the season.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 07, 2015, 09:43:45 PM
Yep we should have walked that. The harsh reality is that Sherwood's major selection choices failed. Richardson was atrocious, Vlaar poor and Grealish not great.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Can Gana Be Bettered!?!? on April 07, 2015, 09:43:53 PM
Not good enough (result, not performance).

We will be extremely lucky to stay up.

Needed to beat Swansea, QPR and Burnley. 1 point so far and no confidence about getting anything against Burnley.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Le Lapin on April 07, 2015, 09:46:03 PM
We are in serious trouble now.  Another critical game slips away. Do we have it in us to cause an upset next game. I'm not so sure.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 07, 2015, 09:47:11 PM
conceded 3 goals at home to QPR and you have to look at the defensive players we brought in. Richardson was abysmal and Vlaar was poor.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: OCD on April 07, 2015, 09:47:22 PM
Not being clinical enough when they were playing 4-4-2 cost us. The game should have been done and dusted before they changed to 5-3-2, which did a good job of stifling us. Losing Bacuna didn't help either. We shouldn't have taken Grealish off though.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 07, 2015, 09:58:43 PM
It's a bad result rather than a disaster. But I think what tonight means is that we need to get something against Spurs or Citeh and hope QPR, Hull and Burnley lose their next couple.
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Post by: olaftab on April 07, 2015, 10:02:07 PM
QPR, Burnley and Hull will not make 34 points so we have to beat that.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on April 07, 2015, 10:03:14 PM
Clark looked a bit indecisive tonight. Okore has got to come back in for Vlaar.
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Post by: Pat McMahon on April 07, 2015, 10:03:48 PM
Not being clinical enough when they were playing 4-4-2 cost us. The game should have been done and dusted before they changed to 5-3-2, which did a good job of stifling us. Losing Bacuna didn't help either. We shouldn't have taken Grealish off though.

Pretty much what Stuart Pearce said on the radio. 
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Post by: OCD on April 07, 2015, 10:05:38 PM
QPR, Burnley and Hull will not make 34 points so we have to beat that.

I don't know with Burnley, they're a team who can pull off unlikely results - especially at home. I really hope we're still not in trouble going into the last day.
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Post by: Goldie.7 on April 07, 2015, 10:11:00 PM
It's a bad result rather than a disaster. But I think what tonight means is that we need to get something against Spurs or Citeh and hope QPR, Hull and Burnley lose their next couple.

Even with hope all of them to lose their next 2 won't happen though.
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Post by: Matt Collins on April 07, 2015, 10:16:16 PM
I just can't us getting anything in the next two games

Tonight will have taken a lot out of the players, physically and emotionally. Spurs will be rested. And we're terrible at White hart lane

Just hoping west ham roll over against us as I think that's our best opportunity for another win before the burnley game
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Post by: PaulWinch again on April 07, 2015, 10:16:20 PM
Okore needs to be back.
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Post by: Billy Walker on April 07, 2015, 10:28:36 PM
Bring on spurs, no reason at all why we can't beat them.
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Post by: David_Nab on April 07, 2015, 10:28:43 PM
Okore needs to be back.

Agreed , I wanted Vlaar back in the team but he didn't really add anything.However the bigger issue is the fullbacks who were both liabilities tonight.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on April 07, 2015, 10:30:00 PM
I agree and Lowton isn't great at left back but he's better than Richardson.
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Post by: OCD on April 07, 2015, 10:38:19 PM
Bring on spurs, no reason at all why we can't beat them.

It would be nice to get a win that nobody (well, those outside of the club) was counting on.
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 07, 2015, 10:39:24 PM
Bring on spurs, no reason at all why we can't beat them.

No reason at all.

Apart from the fact we're not very good, and they're much better than us.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on April 07, 2015, 10:44:12 PM
Win today and you'd have been confident we could've finished the job before May 24th like in previous seasons.

I can't see us being safe going into the last day this time, we've rode our luck the past few seasons considering some of the situations we've been in.

Right now I would sign up to being a point clear of Burnley and a few others going into the final game.
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Post by: Des Little on April 07, 2015, 10:51:10 PM
We'll win on Saturday and the world will be a beautiful place. You mark my words.
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Post by: Villatillidie1982 on April 07, 2015, 10:52:18 PM
Neither of the full backs who played tonight are full backs. Lowton should have played from the start, and although I never thought I would say this, so should Baker. There is obviously plenty of fight in the team which gives some hope. A point on Saturday is a possibility but it also needs two wins from somewhere.

At least there is hope when before Sherwood there was only despair.
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Post by: OCD on April 07, 2015, 10:53:40 PM
Bacuna was a big threat in the first half and then seemed to pick up an injury which stopped him storming forward and led to his substitution.
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Post by: David_Nab on April 07, 2015, 10:54:32 PM
Bring on spurs, no reason at all why we can't beat them.

No reason at all.

Apart from the fact we're not very good, and they're much better than us.

Pretty lucky to beat LCFC at home and were pretty awful against Burnley.It will be much like tonights game as they look appalling in defence much like us.

Also now need to think of teams running out of things to play for.West Ham and Newcastle are 2 who are likely to be giving up some points to teams around us (hopefully West Ham are that generous when we play them too)
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Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 07, 2015, 10:57:11 PM
Second best at VP as well until that snide shit Mason changed things.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on April 07, 2015, 10:59:29 PM
Have you guys not seen our record v Spurs lately, pretty sure over the last 5 years it's actually worse than against Man. United if that's even possible!

On tonight's evidence I don't see us keeping Kane and Eriksen out.
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Post by: Matt Collins on April 07, 2015, 11:01:32 PM
Bacuna was a big threat in the first half and then seemed to pick up an injury which stopped him storming forward and led to his substitution.

It was more the tactical change that blocked him off

He's our best crosser there's no doubt about that
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Post by: Rudy65 on April 07, 2015, 11:03:47 PM
Have you guys not seen our record v Spurs lately, pretty sure over the last 5 years it's actually worse than against Man. United if that's even possible!

On tonight's evidence I don't see us keeping Kane and Eriksen out.

With Their defence we might score a few though
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Post by: Ad@m on April 07, 2015, 11:04:53 PM
Bacuna was a big threat in the first half and then seemed to pick up an injury which stopped him storming forward and led to his substitution.

It was more the tactical change that blocked him off

He's our best crosser there's no doubt about that

I disagree. Lowton is a better crosser but Bacuna is more able to beat a man.

Bacuna did well going forward, he just ran out of steam, hence the change.
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Post by: nodge on April 07, 2015, 11:16:47 PM
Second best at VP as well until that snide shit Mason changed things.

Don't start me off on that little weasel. Have you heard his whiney whinging little voice too? Makes Beckham sound like Mister T.  My son had to tell me to calm down when he came on for England the other night.  Can't stand players trying to get someone sent off like he did, especially when you're a fucking nobody like him who thinks he's billy big time because he plays for them.
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Post by: curiousorange on April 07, 2015, 11:17:50 PM
The problem is not scoring. It's keeping the damn ball out of our net. I'd say we'd beat Tottenham if we had four players at the back we could rely on. But QPR had some very pedestrian wing options and we looked like conceding every time they came forward. Kane will have dozens of chances to score that twentieth goal Match of the Day want him to get.
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Post by: Rudy65 on April 07, 2015, 11:41:08 PM
Second best at VP as well until that snide shit Mason changed things.

Don't start me off on that little weasel. Have you heard his whiney whinging little voice too? Makes Beckham sound like Mister T.  My son had to tell me to calm down when he came on for England the other night.  Can't stand players trying to get someone sent off like he did, especially when you're a fucking nobody like him who thinks he's billy big time because he plays for them.

Yep, my blood was boiling that day as well.

Imagine Mason against Benteke in the car park afterward
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Post by: dave.woodhall on April 07, 2015, 11:57:09 PM
Their season seemed to take off after that while ours flapped about a bit and hit the ground again.
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Post by: supertom on April 08, 2015, 12:31:36 AM
I think the result today will mean it's going to go down to the last day. Had we taken 3 points, I think we'd have been home and dry before Burnley. This is gonna run as close as we've seen for probably 20 years.
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Post by: olaftab on April 08, 2015, 07:30:26 AM
Bring on spurs, no reason at all why we can't beat them.

No reason at all.

Apart from the fact we're not very good, and they're much better than us.
Yes ok but what else?
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Post by: olaftab on April 08, 2015, 07:35:02 AM
Their season seemed to take off after that while ours flapped about a bit and hit the ground again.
Post that they won about 4/5 games with winning goals coming in the last 5 or injury time meanwhile we  lost a similar number in the same way.
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Post by: Mortimer's Bear on April 08, 2015, 08:00:56 AM
Call me crazy but I'm convinced we will win on Saturday.
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Post by: Tony Erdington on April 08, 2015, 08:10:21 AM
The team played quite ok, but some lapses cost us, Delph is the stand out player and has a good understaning with Cleveley, Gabby did some good work, Benteke x 3.

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Post by: Richard E on April 08, 2015, 08:11:30 AM
Call me crazy but I'm convinced we will win on Saturday.

You're crazy.

No, I also have a sneaky irrational feeling that we will get something from Saturday's game.
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Post by: Tony Erdington on April 08, 2015, 08:14:13 AM
Call me crazy but I'm convinced we will win on Saturday.

You're crazy.

No, I also have a sneaky irrational feeling that we will get something from Saturday's game.

your both looney tunes,

maybe  a draw
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Post by: nodge on April 08, 2015, 08:15:22 AM
The good thing is we had 21 attempts against them last night. Albion had 17 against them. If everyone else does that for the rest of the season they'll take some hammerings against teams with better finishers than us.  Think them and Leicester are gone, just need to hope we can better one more team.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on April 08, 2015, 08:22:08 AM
I see nothing to suggest we can get a result on Saturday. Obviously I hope we do, but we just conceded 3 to QPR at home and nearly lost. If he continues to pick Vlaar and Richardson we'll lose.
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Post by: Billy Walker on April 08, 2015, 08:22:18 AM
Bring on spurs, no reason at all why we can't beat them.

No reason at all.

Apart from the fact we're not very good, and they're much better than us.

If their match v Burnley is anything to go by they look a bit off the boil.  Add to that how Sherwood should know their strengths and weaknesses pretty well and will be desperate to get something at White Hart Lane, it all adds up to giving us a fighting chance.  If we can field a strong starting eleven we can get at least a point.
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Post by: Billy Walker on April 08, 2015, 08:27:58 AM
I see nothing to suggest we can get a result on Saturday. Obviously I hope we do, but we just conceded 3 to QPR at home and nearly lost. If he continues to pick Vlaar and Richardson we'll lose.

Spurs conceded three to  Leicester in their last home game.  They are beatable.
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Post by: john e on April 08, 2015, 08:31:44 AM
football matches are like snowdrops,  no two are the same

I think we will need 35 points with a better goal difference or 36 to stay up, so 6/7 points from now doesn't seem to steep

if we can get anything even a point out of the next two games that would be massive
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Post by: l_mckay on April 08, 2015, 08:35:44 AM
Think we can get something Saturday,even just a draw would be great. The next 2 home games are massive we need to get atleast 4 points I think.
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Post by: ROBBO on April 08, 2015, 08:41:34 AM
Spurs are one of the teams that have little to play for they are there for the taking i tell ya.
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Post by: walsall villain on April 08, 2015, 08:52:05 AM
Call me crazy but I'm convinced we will win on Saturday.

You're crazy.

No, I also have a sneaky irrational feeling that we will get something from Saturday's game.

your both looney tunes,

maybe  a draw
Count me in to the crazy camp. A while back I was thinking we would win a couple away, Sunderland and Spurs.
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Post by: silhillvilla on April 08, 2015, 08:54:53 AM
Harry Kane will score at least 2 goals , we will concede 3 or above and I doubt we will score.
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Post by: David_Nab on April 08, 2015, 08:59:12 AM
Spurs are there for taking , they were woeful against Burnely.Top 4 is beyond them now so they are just making up the numbers.At the back they are as suspect as us.City away we can get a result , the are in freefall and again like Spurs are poor at the back.We have the firepower its up to the management and players to sort out mistakes at the back.

Positive's for me last night
 - QPR are still woeful
 - We were behind twice and both times came roaring back
 - Grealish Impressed
 - Benteke of 2 years ago was back last night
 
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Post by: john e on April 08, 2015, 08:59:21 AM
Harry Kane will score at least 2 goals , we will concede 3 or above and I doubt we will score.

I'm not writing it off like the man utd game,

I think the league table tells us we wil lose the next two games away, but we are scoring goals now, Spurs are a funny side,
 I'm hoping
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Post by: Billy Walker on April 08, 2015, 09:03:43 AM
Harry Kane will score at least 2 goals , we will concede 3 or above and I doubt we will score.

Benteke will score more than Kane and Spurs will concede more than us.
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Post by: silhillvilla on April 08, 2015, 09:05:40 AM
Time for a few changes -

------------Given --------------

Hutton. Okore. Clark. Lowton

Bacuna. Delph cleverly. Nzogbia

----Gabby -------benteke -------
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 08, 2015, 09:06:46 AM
When was the last time we got a result at Spurs?
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Post by: john e on April 08, 2015, 09:08:33 AM
When was the last time we got a result at Spurs?

next Saturday
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Post by: silhillvilla on April 08, 2015, 09:17:47 AM
When was the last time we got a result at Spurs?
4-4?
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Post by: PaulWinch again on April 08, 2015, 09:19:24 AM
When was the last time we got a result at Spurs?
4-4?

Bloody hell is it that long ago?
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Post by: PaulWinch again on April 08, 2015, 09:20:07 AM
When was the last time we got a result at Spurs?

next Saturday

I hope so. If we could win and those around us lose then that would be huge.
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Post by: silhillvilla on April 08, 2015, 09:20:39 AM
When was the last time we got a result at Spurs?
4-4?

Bloody hell is it that long ago?
It's a guess, I don't recall us doing well there under Eck, GED or TSM2
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Post by: Billy Walker on April 08, 2015, 09:39:00 AM
Didn't we beat them with a Reo Coker goal one season?  Their good run against us has coincided with Randy's strategy u-turn, prior to that we had no problems against them.
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Post by: Chico Hamilton III on April 08, 2015, 09:43:10 AM
Didn't we beat them with a Reo Coker goal one season?  Their good run against us has coincided with Randy's strategy u-turn, prior to that we had no problems against them.

Yep, 2008, Young and Reo Coker for us, Bent late on for them.
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Post by: aj2k77 on April 08, 2015, 10:01:07 AM
We need Sinclair, Hutton and Cissokho back soon. The injuries are a convenient excuse but they are hurting us especially in the shambles of a defence.

Vlaar, clown, never liked him, crap captain, beaten in the air too often and injured even more than that. Couldn't lead himself out of a paper bag and as concrete as one of my turds. Get Okore back in building a partnership with Clark.

Bacuna, maybe him and N'zogbia fighting it out for the same position wide? He's no defender and is costing us too many goals.

Richardson, a joke Lambert signing. Sell or give away in the summer please. His performances have been terrible, not up to it at this level anymore.

Okore, Cissokho, Hutton, Clark. They've got to be the back 4 for as many games of the run in as we can get them.

Oh and no taking gambles on half fit players. Unless it's Benteke, who is top class, the rest aren't good enough to play through injury and make a difference.
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Post by: Des Little on April 08, 2015, 10:56:11 AM
Are any of our current injuries in with a chance of making it for Saturday?
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Post by: ozzjim on April 08, 2015, 10:58:24 AM
Sinclair, Westwood and Hutton back would be nice.
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Post by: curiousorange on April 08, 2015, 10:58:57 AM
I did check Physio Room last night, but I don't know how they get the information. It has Sinclair, Senderos, Westwood, Cissokho and Hutton as back on 11th April, which sounds unlikely.
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Post by: OCD on April 08, 2015, 11:03:52 AM
That return date is usually an idea of when they return to training.

In his interview Sherwood said he didn't expect anyone else to be back for Saturday but for the current lot to be fitter. There were a few playing before they ideally would have by the sound of it. Richardson will have been one, the others are anyone's guess.
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Post by: TonyD on April 08, 2015, 11:05:51 AM
3 wins will get us over the line.   Then we go again next season.
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Post by: curiousorange on April 08, 2015, 11:06:18 AM
I don't want to have a go at Richardson for one bad performance, but why is he even being considered as a defender? I shudder to think what he'll be like against Tottenham if Sherwood persists with him.
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Post by: Monty on April 08, 2015, 11:07:45 AM
I don't want to have a go at Richardson for one bad performance, but why is he even being considered as a defender? I shudder to think what he'll be like against Tottenham if Sherwood persists with him.

And with Bacuna about as steady as a stick of dynamite on the other side, as well. Hutton cannot come back quick enough.
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Post by: Des Little on April 08, 2015, 12:00:52 PM
3 wins will get us over the line.   Then we go again next season.

...but we've been saying that for the last few games.  Time and games are running out.
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Post by: KevinGage on April 08, 2015, 12:21:38 PM
Yep. 

And you start to wonder if this is the season when those late goals conceded finally do for us. 
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Post by: Tony Erdington on April 08, 2015, 12:24:16 PM
Im changing my mind by the day,

I still think we'll survive, but my bottom three are hull just looked at there run in, quite scary , qpr there shit I know we drew with them last night, but their run in aint pretty, Leicester have gone they have not even tried to play football this season, imho

I say this and have my fingers crossed.

UTV
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Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 08, 2015, 12:30:59 PM
Yep. 

And you start to wonder if this is the season when those late goals conceded finally do for us. 

If we did go it will purely be down to averaging less than half a goal a game for two thirds of the season. Everyone concedes the odd late goal over a season, virtually no one is so inept to score that few.
An extra half dozen points from say, an extra 8-10 goals, which would still be less than a goal a game and we'd be pretty much safe now.
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Post by: David_Nab on April 08, 2015, 12:51:21 PM
I don't want to have a go at Richardson for one bad performance, but why is he even being considered as a defender? I shudder to think what he'll be like against Tottenham if Sherwood persists with him.

Not first he has been guilty of costing us points.There was red card against WBA and another game where he lost the ball when he went forward and we got done on the counter.Hopefully Cissoko is back soon or we stick Baker out there.
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Post by: Meanwood Villa on April 08, 2015, 12:57:54 PM
3 wins will get us over the line.   Then we go again next season.

...but we've been saying that for the last few games.  Time and games are running out.

Time and games are running out and we're above the line so that's a good thing yeah?
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Post by: Dave on April 08, 2015, 01:21:21 PM
3 wins will get us over the line.   Then we go again next season.

...but we've been saying that for the last few games.  Time and games are running out.

Time and games are running out and we're above the line so that's a good thing yeah?
Quite. I'm more than happy for time to run out tomorrow.
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Post by: Ads on April 08, 2015, 01:38:06 PM
A point on the board is better than nothing and its also a game down for QPR. We need to find two wins between now and the end of the season and have the ability to do that.

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Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 08, 2015, 01:41:46 PM
With a bit of luck that freekick will have knocked the stuffing out of QPR, as disappointed as we are with the result they must be gutted.
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Post by: eamonn on April 08, 2015, 01:45:22 PM
A point on the board is better than nothing and its also a game down for QPR. We need to find two wins between now and the end of the season and have the ability to do that.



Tim is aiming for four. I thought you were as enthusiastic as him.
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Post by: silhillvilla on April 08, 2015, 01:45:31 PM
I think we will need to beat West Ham and Burnley and pull a rabbit out of the hat somewhere ie. A win at St Mary's or win v Everton at home.
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on April 08, 2015, 02:13:08 PM
I think we could survive with a little as three or four more points. Could do without the pressure though.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on April 08, 2015, 02:13:54 PM
I think we need two wins and a draw at least. It would be very useful to pick up one of those wins in one of the next two games.
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Post by: villa for life on April 08, 2015, 03:02:41 PM
It's funny. This time of year comes around and most of us think we are doomed, but last year was no different. I think we were  only mathematically safe after the penultimate game of last season. A couple of wins in the next month and we might even beat that!
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Post by: Matt Collins on April 08, 2015, 03:14:07 PM
I think if we win two more we'll probably be ok
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Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on April 08, 2015, 03:17:46 PM
I think we could survive with a little as three or four more points. Could do without the pressure though.

A bloke at work (a neutral) just did the predictor thing and despite forecasting no more wins for us this season, still had us staying up with 32 points! In 16th!
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Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 08, 2015, 03:22:28 PM
It's funny. This time of year comes around and most of us think we are doomed, but last year was no different. I think we were  only mathematically safe after the penultimate game of last season. A couple of wins in the next month and we might even beat that!

Around the same time last season (more teams had games in hand than this season) we were 9 points clear of the drop. Season before though we were 18th on GD after 31 games.
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Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on April 08, 2015, 04:00:37 PM
I wonder if West Brom are completely safe yet - if they don't beat Leicester, I can see them struggling to get more than another point from their remaining fixtures:

Leicester (h)
C Palace (a)
Liverpool (h)
Man U (a)
Newcastle (a)
Chelsea (h)
Arsenal (a)

Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Des Little on April 08, 2015, 04:11:06 PM
Any of our relegation rivals playing Newcastle can expect 3 points.  Since they beat us they've lost all interest. 
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Post by: villa for life on April 08, 2015, 04:11:59 PM
Maybe, we should be happy that Everton have now secured their safety...
Martinez is hugely overrated... And we can definitely win that one if we play to our potential
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Post by: passport1 on April 08, 2015, 04:21:06 PM
Mental toughness and a certain amount of luck are what counts now. Whether we have enough of the former and will get enough of the latter is anybodys' guess.
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Post by: tomd2103 on April 08, 2015, 04:29:01 PM
I wonder if West Brom are completely safe yet - if they don't beat Leicester, I can see them struggling to get more than another point from their remaining fixtures:

Leicester (h)
C Palace (a)
Liverpool (h)
Man U (a)
Newcastle (a)
Chelsea (h)
Arsenal (a)

They aren't at all.  If Leicester beat them at the weekend, they could get drawn right into it over the following weeks. 
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Post by: kippaxvilla2 on April 08, 2015, 05:00:25 PM
Whatever happens I am not going to apportion blame to Sherwood - naive he maybe, a bit gobby he is, but, he has at least tried as hard as possible to get us playing on the front foot.  I firmly believe we would be on the brink of relegation at this stage were Lambert still in charge.  The damage was done in the first half of the season.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: silhillvilla on April 08, 2015, 05:02:15 PM
Just done the predictor and had 33 points keeping you up.
Got us on 36 with wins v West Ham & Burnley and a draw v Everton.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: nick harper on April 08, 2015, 05:09:36 PM
Sherwood has got us 7 points from 7 games. If he can keep that strike rate up we'll be ok. 35 points will be more than enough I think.

11 goals in that time. We'd only scored 12 in the previous 25 - all those wasted games where we didn't even threaten to score.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Dave on April 08, 2015, 05:11:48 PM
Just done the predictor and had 33 points keeping you up.
Got us on 36 with wins v West Ham & Burnley and a draw v Everton.
Does this mean that from now on you are going cheer the f*ck up?

(winky thing)
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Ads on April 08, 2015, 06:02:33 PM
We will beat Spurs the weekend.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: john e on April 08, 2015, 06:14:48 PM
Just done the predictor and had 33 points keeping you up.
Got us on 36 with wins v West Ham & Burnley and a draw v Everton.
Does this mean that from now on you are going cheer the f*ck up?

(winky thing)


lol
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on April 08, 2015, 06:26:13 PM
Omsk!
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 08, 2015, 06:27:36 PM
Omsk!

Wasn't he one of the Wombles?
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on April 08, 2015, 06:53:12 PM
Omsk!

Wasn't he one of the Wombles?

I've given up trying to change predictive text for pmsl which comes up Omsk so I'm now sticking with Omsk.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: john e on April 08, 2015, 07:12:32 PM
Omsk!

Wasn't he one of the Wombles?

I've given up trying to change predictive text for pmsl which comes up Omsk so I'm now sticking with Omsk.

Omsk
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Matt Collins on April 09, 2015, 06:13:57 AM
Christ. I must be pessimistic. I feel less optimistic than silhill villa!!!

I think it's going to be incredibly tight. The problem this year is that I think even the bottom side could still stay up. Leicester have some kind fixtures

Our most winnable game is also the last one of the season when the pressure is really going to be on.

Next up looks to me to be West Ham. I had in my mind that they are in bad form. But look at their away results this year: last minute defeat v Leicester. Before that they lost v arsenal, drew at Spurs, Southampton, Swansea and Everton.

I'm not confident about us winning any of our other games. When was the last time we beat Everton? Under Kevin McDonald? Happy to be told we've done it since then but I don't remember that. They're coming back Into form too

I really think we needed to beat QPR. A draw was much better than a defeat but my best guess is we get one more win and a couple of draws and 34 pts with a bad goal difference might not be enough
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: pooligan on April 09, 2015, 06:25:18 AM
West Ham and Everton look the most likely games to win to me.Both teams are in mid table and with nothing to play for might just take their foot of the gas so to speak.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: olaftab on April 09, 2015, 06:35:44 AM
I think it's going to be incredibly tight. The problem this year is that I think even the bottom side could still stay up. Leicester have some kind fixtures
No way Leicester are going to stay up. Yes it's not impossible but they are gone. Also I don't think it's going to be tight. We just need to win one and draw a couple. I think QPR along with Hull will go. I hope Burnley survive.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Matt Collins on April 09, 2015, 06:43:56 AM
Well I hope you're right

I don't tbink Leicester will make it in the end. In fact, given they play other bottom sides it might be a good thing they are fighting

Would love to think we could beat Everton and West Ham but I very much doubt it. Wd definitely take four points from those two games but I'm not sure we'll get it
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: olaftab on April 09, 2015, 08:48:07 AM
Matt you are suffering from "love pain" like most of us. Life will be no good without it so stick in there. VTWD😪
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Richard E on April 09, 2015, 08:53:20 AM
If goal difference comes into it, it's too early to tell who will have the worst come the end of the season. If someone, e.g. QPR against Chelsea or Burnley against Arsenal, gets a tonking it could change things. Hull have a better goal difference than the other strugglers but other than that there is not a lot to choose between the "contenders." By and large (famous last words) we haven't been spanked this season with the exception of the 2 games against Arsenal, and Chelsea away.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Matt Collins on April 09, 2015, 09:14:56 AM
We will beat Spurs the weekend.

@myfootballfacts: Spurs have won their last 6 matches against Aston Villa and are unbeaten in 13 consecutive games #coys #thfc #avfc http://t.co/g6i8T4Ijtk

Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Billy Walker on April 09, 2015, 09:25:58 AM
We will beat Spurs the weekend.

@myfootballfacts: Spurs have won their last 6 matches against Aston Villa and are unbeaten in 13 consecutive games #coys #thfc #avfc http://t.co/g6i8T4Ijtk



Matt, seriously, who gives a monkeys about these types of stats?   The club has been in absolute chaos most of the times we've played Spurs recently and lots of clubs could pull out similarly impressive stats v us - all of which coincide with Randy's strategical implosion. 

They are a club we should be stuffing week in week out.  They've recently lost 3-0 away to Man Utd and were very average away to Burnley.  Without checking I think they've even lost at home to West Brom this season (or was it last?).  Going into this match with the mindset that we are about to face Real Madrid is self-defeating madness.  Get stuck into them and get the points. 
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 09, 2015, 09:31:10 AM
We will beat Spurs the weekend.

@myfootballfacts: Spurs have won their last 6 matches against Aston Villa and are unbeaten in 13 consecutive games #coys #thfc #avfc http://t.co/g6i8T4Ijtk



Matt, seriously, who gives a monkeys about these types of stats?   The club has been in absolute chaos most of the times we've played Spurs recently and lots of clubs could pull out similarly impressive stats v us - all of which coincide with Randy's strategical implosion. 

They are a club we should be stuffing week in week out.  They've recently lost 3-0 away to Man Utd and were very average away to Burnley.  Without checking I think they've even lost at home to West Brom this season (or was it last?).  Going into this match with the mindset that we are about to face Real Madrid is self-defeating madness.  Get stuck into them and get the points. 

Whilst I agree we shouldn't be surrending due to stats. I think that saying Spurs are a team 'we should be stuffing week in week out' is just nonsense. We're the position we are in the league for a reason and even if Spurs weren't great against Man Utd or Burnley across the season they've been fairly good.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Des Little on April 09, 2015, 11:15:45 AM
Records are there to be broken
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Billy Walker on April 09, 2015, 11:27:48 AM
We will beat Spurs the weekend.

 

@myfootballfacts: Spurs have won their last 6 matches against Aston Villa and are unbeaten in 13 consecutive games #coys #thfc #avfc http://t.co/g6i8T4Ijtk



Matt, seriously, who gives a monkeys about these types of stats?   The club has been in absolute chaos most of the times we've played Spurs recently and lots of clubs could pull out similarly impressive stats v us - all of which coincide with Randy's strategical implosion. 

They are a club we should be stuffing week in week out.  They've recently lost 3-0 away to Man Utd and were very average away to Burnley.  Without checking I think they've even lost at home to West Brom this season (or was it last?).  Going into this match with the mindset that we are about to face Real Madrid is self-defeating madness.  Get stuck into them and get the points. 

Whilst I agree we shouldn't be surrending due to stats. I think that saying Spurs are a team 'we should be stuffing week in week out' is just nonsense. We're the position we are in the league for a reason and even if Spurs weren't great against Man Utd or Burnley across the season they've been fairly good.

They're a "club" we should be stuffing week in week out.   

As a team they're good on their day - maybe very good on their day - but they are certainly beatable.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Billy Walker on April 09, 2015, 11:33:45 AM
Records are there to be broken

Indeed, as they themselves would tell you after we went on a similarly long run of being unbeaten against them not so long ago.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: ajmant on April 09, 2015, 12:12:14 PM
I have just done the footie predicty thingy and have Hull finishing bottom. They have a terrible run in. But it's so tight, literally anything could happen, but I think 36 points will do it, 35 might with a better goal difference.

I have us staying up with a win against Burnley, who I also think will be safe!

Clearly I know nothing!
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Des Little on April 09, 2015, 12:16:17 PM
Those predictor things are wicked tools of torture.  All you need to know is that if we win 2 and draw one of our games prior to playing Burnley, there's a very good chance we can turn up for that game in flip flops, a sombrero smoking a cigar and swigging from a magnum of Buckfast.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: David_Nab on April 09, 2015, 01:33:53 PM
Spurs are not in a great run of form and have a pretty patched up defence.The finished against Burnley with LB Davies at CB alongside Dier.There attacking play was slow and ponderous and Burnely hassled and out worked them.It will be tough still as clearly we have our own issues in defence but there are there to be got at.Leicester put 3 past them only a few weeks back !!

I think at this point you have to be cliched and take each game as it comes.Who would have predicted QPR putting 4 past WBA away ...For me the shame in not beating QPR was not just the chance to pull clear it was the opportunity to drag WBA and Newcastle into it , the latter who are in freefall and have alot of injuries.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 09, 2015, 01:38:42 PM
If we want to stand a chance of beating Spurs we'll have to make sure our pressing game is up to scratch. That means every player needs to put the hard yards in.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Billy Walker on April 09, 2015, 01:39:02 PM
Spurs are not in a great run of form and have a pretty patched up defence.The finished against Burnley with LB Davies at CB alongside Dier.There attacking play was slow and ponderous and Burnely hassled and out worked them.It will be tough still as clearly we have our own issues in defence but there are there to be got at.Leicester put 3 past them only a few weeks back !!

I think at this point you have to be cliched and take each game as it comes.Who would have predicted QPR putting 4 past WBA away ...For me the shame in not beating QPR was not just the chance to pull clear it was the opportunity to drag WBA and Newcastle into it , the latter who are in freefall and have alot of injuries.

We can still pull them into it.  The Baggies have a very tough run in too and the pressure really is on them to beat Leicester on Saturday. 
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Rudy65 on April 09, 2015, 02:04:07 PM
There are plenty of dire games to choose from but the two away games at Spurs under TSM and Lambert last season were absolute capitulations. Both were embarrassing. I assumed last seasons was so bad that the players couldn't be arsed because they knew Lambert would be sacked in the summer. How wrong they were
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: MONCABA on April 09, 2015, 04:42:20 PM
Keep Kane quiet and we'll be fine.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: supertom on April 09, 2015, 04:55:19 PM
If we want to stand a chance of beating Spurs we'll have to make sure our pressing game is up to scratch. That means every player needs to put the hard yards in.
I think they will. Sherwood will light a rocket up every players arse for this game. He'll be desperate to win this one, possibly more so than any other game this season.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 09, 2015, 04:56:21 PM
If we want to stand a chance of beating Spurs we'll have to make sure our pressing game is up to scratch. That means every player needs to put the hard yards in.
I think they will. Sherwood will light a rocket up every players arse for this game. He'll be desperate to win this one, possibly more so than any other game this season.

He'll be more desperate to beat Arsenal in the cup final!
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: supertom on April 09, 2015, 05:13:46 PM
If we want to stand a chance of beating Spurs we'll have to make sure our pressing game is up to scratch. That means every player needs to put the hard yards in.
I think they will. Sherwood will light a rocket up every players arse for this game. He'll be desperate to win this one, possibly more so than any other game this season.

He'll be more desperate to beat Arsenal in the cup final!
He'll be relaxed for that one. Our name is already on the cup...
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: olaftab on April 09, 2015, 08:06:38 PM
Records are there to be broken
That's exactly what Lambert did😁
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: nodge on April 10, 2015, 06:20:22 PM
If we want to stand a chance of beating Spurs we'll have to make sure our pressing game is up to scratch. That means every player needs to put the hard yards in.
I think they will. Sherwood will light a rocket up every players arse for this game. He'll be desperate to win this one, possibly more so than any other game this season.

He'll be more desperate to beat Arsenal in the cup final!

He was an Arsenal fan growing up wasn't he?  He'll be in a win win situation if we get through to the final.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Steve67 on April 10, 2015, 11:08:44 PM
If we get through to the final, am I right in thinking that we are in the Europa league as Arsenal will be in the top four and guaranteed champions league, win or not?
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: dave.woodhall on April 10, 2015, 11:10:24 PM
If we get through to the final, am I right in thinking that we are in the Europa league as Arsenal will be in the top four and guaranteed champions league, win or not?

I read somewhere that the rules have changed to scrap that.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Steve67 on April 10, 2015, 11:20:09 PM
If we get through to the final, am I right in thinking that we are in the Europa league as Arsenal will be in the top four and guaranteed champions league, win or not?

I read somewhere that the rules have changed to scrap that.

Really? That's a shame. Mind you, probably for the best given how many injuries we get each season and the amount of disruption the Europa seems to cause.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: silhillvilla on April 10, 2015, 11:24:04 PM
Europa League = booby prize.
I'm not sure we need the arduous slog
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: OCD on April 10, 2015, 11:30:03 PM
We're not ready for a European spot so if the rules have changed, that works for us on this occasion. A big overhaul is needed and we either won't have a squad packed with quality players or if there was a big spending takeover and we did, the squad would have to bed down and ensure a good league position.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Exeter 77 on April 10, 2015, 11:36:44 PM
According to this only domestic cup winners qualify not runners up if the winners already have a European place.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015%E2%80%9316_UEFA_Europa_League
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: silhillvilla on April 10, 2015, 11:45:49 PM
We're not ready for a European spot so if the rules have changed, that works for us on this occasion. A big overhaul is needed and we either won't have a squad packed with quality players or if there was a big spending takeover and we did, the squad would have to bed down and ensure a good league position.
Yep, I'd rather another domestic trophy push than Thursday afternoons in Tel Aviv .
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: olaftab on April 11, 2015, 05:10:28 PM
I will wait till QPR and Burnley result but if they both lose than we are more or less there.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Richard E on April 11, 2015, 05:13:54 PM
I will wait till QPR and Burnley result but if they both lose than we are more or less there.

If they don't both lose the we can only conclude that God hates us.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 11, 2015, 05:15:38 PM
May as well stick it here as well

Table
13   Newcastle    31   -16   35
14   West Brom   32  -16  33
15   Aston Villa   33   -21   32
16   Sunderland  32   -23   29
17   Hull              32   -16   28
18   QPR             32   -20   26
19   Burnley        31   -23   26
20   Leicester      31   -19   25

Remaining fixtures

West Brom
Crystal Palace v West Brom
West Brom v Liverpool
Man Utd v West Brom
Newcastle v West Brom
West Brom v Chelsea
Arsenal v West Brom

Sunderland
Stoke v Sunderland
Sunderland v Southampton
Everton v Sunderland
Sunderland v Leicester
Arsenal v Sunderland
Chelsea v Sunderland

Hull v Liverpool   
Crystal Palace v Hull
Hull v Arsenal
Hull v Burnley
Tottenham v Hull
Hull v Man Utd

Aston Villa
Man City v Aston Villa
Aston Villa v Everton
Aston Villa v West Ham
Southampton v Aston Villa
Aston Villa v Burnley

Burnley
Burnley v Arsenal
Everton v Burnley
Burnley v Leicester
West Ham v Burnley
Hull v Burnley
Burnley v Stoke
Aston Villa v Burnley

QPR
QPR v Chelsea
QPR v West Ham
Liverpool v QPR
Man City v QPR
QPR v Newcastle
Leicester v QPR

Leicester
Leicester v Swansea
Burnley v Leicester
Leicester v Chelsea
Leicester v Newcastle
Leicester v Southampton
Sunderland v Leicester
Leicester v QPR
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 11, 2015, 05:16:34 PM
Hull will go down.

Leicester have a great chance of getting out of this now.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 11, 2015, 05:18:54 PM
Also a decent chance of finishing above WBA looking at their fixtures.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 11, 2015, 05:21:24 PM
Albion are deep in the shit. Look at their fixtures and then think they've just lost two at home to QPR and Leicester conceding 7.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Ad@m on April 11, 2015, 05:22:11 PM
Also a decent chance of finishing above WBA looking at their fixtures.

Steady. There's a reason Leicester are bottom of the league. 8 points plus goal difference is a big ask in only 7 games.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on April 11, 2015, 05:23:05 PM
Looking at the above, I don't see Albion or Sunderland getting another point.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 11, 2015, 05:23:42 PM
Also a decent chance of finishing above WBA looking at their fixtures.

Steady. There's a reason Leicester are bottom of the league. 8 points plus goal difference is a big ask in only 7 games.

If Albion only pick up a point or two while others are winning then their GD advantage will be wiped out.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: OCD on April 11, 2015, 05:37:49 PM
It should be a relatively low points tally to survive. Sunderland, Hull and Albion all look like they're going to struggle to add to their tallies. Albion will probably get something from somewhere, which will be enough with their current tally but they're being sucked into a fight that they shouldn't have been.

Had we beaten QPR, today's result would have probably seen us home. Given the fixtures and having not beaten QPR, it's good to be even talking about being nearly home.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 11, 2015, 05:46:17 PM
Albion are deep in the shit. Look at their fixtures and then think they've just lost two at home to QPR and Leicester conceding 7.

Think Foster getting injured was a massive blow for them. They're conceding shedloads with Boaz Myhill in there.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: berneboy on April 11, 2015, 05:49:57 PM
My Predictor says:

Aston Villa   38   -22   40
Newcastle   38   -16   38
Hull          38   -14   35
West Brom   38   -15   35
Burnley   38   -23   34
Leicester   38   -20   33
Sunderland38   -20   33
QPR          38   -20   30
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: OCD on April 11, 2015, 05:51:07 PM
Albion are deep in the shit. Look at their fixtures and then think they've just lost two at home to QPR and Leicester conceding 7.

Think Foster getting injured was a massive blow for them. They're conceding shedloads with Boaz Myhill in there.

Agent Myhill.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Dave on April 11, 2015, 05:53:15 PM
Also a decent chance of finishing above WBA looking at their fixtures.

Steady. There's a reason Leicester are bottom of the league. 8 points plus goal difference is a big ask in only 7 games.
Er... I think he means we've got a decent chance of finishing above WBA, not that Leicester have.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Dave on April 11, 2015, 05:56:28 PM
Looking at the above, I don't see Albion or Sunderland getting another point.
I think it's safe to say that as long as we go into the final two fixtures ahead of Hull and Sunderland then they won't be overtaking us.

Best odds on us going down are now 10-1.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Ad@m on April 11, 2015, 06:06:05 PM
Also a decent chance of finishing above WBA looking at their fixtures.

Steady. There's a reason Leicester are bottom of the league. 8 points plus goal difference is a big ask in only 7 games.
Er... I think he means we've got a decent chance of finishing above WBA, not that Leicester have.

I don't think he did.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Dave on April 11, 2015, 06:08:22 PM
Also a decent chance of finishing above WBA looking at their fixtures.

Steady. There's a reason Leicester are bottom of the league. 8 points plus goal difference is a big ask in only 7 games.
Er... I think he means we've got a decent chance of finishing above WBA, not that Leicester have.

I don't think he did.
*shrugs*

Well I'm sure that he'll let us know.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: luke95 on April 11, 2015, 06:16:24 PM
That Villa- Burnley game really is gona be a killer for someone ... Providing were safe we could do our bit to put the Albion down .
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 11, 2015, 06:19:04 PM
That Villa- Burnley game really is gona be a killer for someone ... Providing were safe we could do our bit to put the Albion down .

It would be funny if we won and helped them stay up. That would kill them knowing the only reason they stayed up is thanks to us.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on April 11, 2015, 06:19:53 PM
My Predictor says:

Aston Villa   38   -22   40
Newcastle   38   -16   38
Hull          38   -14   35
West Brom   38   -15   35
Burnley   38   -23   34
Leicester   38   -20   33
Sunderland38   -20   33
QPR          38   -20   30


I think 8 points from the last 5 games is very optimistic.

Fortunately, I think we probably "only" need 4 points to survive.  Anything out of Man City away is a bonus, so we need those 4 points from Everton, West Ham and Southampton to avoid mass coronaries on the last day.

Also, how did you get Hull to 35 points?
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 11, 2015, 06:20:17 PM
I'd love it for us to beat Burnley yet they still stayed up because Albion lost by a worse GD or something like that. It would kill them to know we helped them stay up and they still royally fucked it up.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Legion on April 11, 2015, 06:21:19 PM
That Villa- Burnley game really is gona be a killer for someone ... Providing were safe we could do our bit to put the Albion down .

I'd prefer three points and a higher league finish. We're better than that.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 11, 2015, 06:24:04 PM
And if we did send Burnley down we should do zero piss taking just to wind up the Geordies.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on April 11, 2015, 06:28:27 PM
I'd love it for us to beat Burnley yet they still stayed up because Albion lost by a worse GD or something like that. It would kill them to know we helped them stay up and they still royally fucked it up.

Like we're two up, and concede one in the last minute? I think I could live with that.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 11, 2015, 06:30:20 PM
I'd prefer us to smash Burnley 6-0 and still Albion go down on GD because they got battered at Arsenal.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: OCD on April 11, 2015, 06:49:57 PM
We seem to be back to struggling at home and playing well away. 2 wins in 3 and the one was Man Utd. Might work for us at Wembley and St. Mary's.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: curiousorange on April 11, 2015, 07:00:58 PM
The only game I can see the Bitters getting close to points is the Newcastle match. It's a shame they have points in the bank, pretty much due to that Stoke result, because 30 points would probably do for them. If they don't get dragged into it, it'll be the shiteness of others rather than anything Tiny Penis has provided.

Sunderland also doing their bit to prove Football Focus right - it's one thing to beat your local rivals, it's another to be a decent team.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 11, 2015, 07:26:07 PM
Burnley lose.

Table
13   Newcastle    31   -16   35
14   West Brom  32   -16   33
15   Aston Villa   33   -21   32
16   Sunderland  32   -23   29
17   Hull              32   -16   28
18   QPR             32   -20   26
19   Burnley        32   -24   26
20   Leicester      31   -19   25

Remaining fixtures

West Brom
Crystal Palace v West Brom
West Brom v Liverpool
Man Utd v West Brom
Newcastle v West Brom
West Brom v Chelsea
Arsenal v West Brom

Sunderland
Stoke v Sunderland
Sunderland v Southampton
Everton v Sunderland
Sunderland v Leicester
Arsenal v Sunderland
Chelsea v Sunderland

Hull v Liverpool   
Crystal Palace v Hull
Hull v Arsenal
Hull v Burnley
Tottenham v Hull
Hull v Man Utd

Aston Villa
Man City v Aston Villa
Aston Villa v Everton
Aston Villa v West Ham
Southampton v Aston Villa
Aston Villa v Burnley

Burnley
Everton v Burnley
Burnley v Leicester
West Ham v Burnley
Hull v Burnley
Burnley v Stoke
Aston Villa v Burnley

QPR
QPR v Chelsea
QPR v West Ham
Liverpool v QPR
Man City v QPR
QPR v Newcastle
Leicester v QPR

Leicester
Leicester v Swansea
Burnley v Leicester
Leicester v Chelsea
Leicester v Newcastle
Leicester v Southampton
Sunderland v Leicester
Leicester v QPR
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: TheMalandro on April 11, 2015, 07:30:46 PM
Leicester could stay up yet
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: dave.woodhall on April 11, 2015, 07:46:01 PM
If we're safe and it's down to Burnley or that lot I hope we play Grealish in goal, Hutton up front and Gil & N'Zogbia central defence. They go down and whine for all time about how it wor fayr.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: curiousorange on April 11, 2015, 07:51:23 PM
If we're safe and it's down to Burnley or that lot I hope we play Grealish in goal, Hutton up front and Gil & N'Zogbia central defence. They go down and whine for all time about how it wor fayr.

If it was a case of the Bitters going down if we lost, I'd take a record defeat.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 11, 2015, 07:51:29 PM
If we're safe and it's down to Burnley or that lot I hope we play Grealish in goal, Hutton up front and Gil & N'Zogbia central defence. They go down and whine for all time about how it wor fayr.

might be the only way Gil gets a game


*WINKY THING*
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: supertom on April 11, 2015, 08:07:39 PM
I don't expect QPR or Burnley to win their game in hand on us. I think the 6 point gap is big enough that they won't catch us now. Short of us going pointless till the end, which won't happen.

If we're safe and Burnley are down by the last game, I wonder if we might see Rushian get a game and maybe a couple more kids. It'd also be great to give Libor a run out at that point. If Burnley are down already, no one else can really complain if we put out a second string.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 11, 2015, 08:10:33 PM
I don't expect QPR or Burnley to win their game in hand on us. I think the 6 point gap is big enough that they won't catch us now. Short of us going pointless till the end, which won't happen.

If we're safe and Burnley are down by the last game, I wonder if we might see Rushian get a game and maybe a couple more kids. It'd also be great to give Libor a run out at that point. If Burnley are down already, no one else can really complain if we put out a second string.

I'd rest everyone for the FA Cup final if we're safe.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on April 11, 2015, 08:11:05 PM
Sadly West Brom will be fine. I would laugh if Newcastle plummeted down though. Unlikely as that is.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Villafirst on April 11, 2015, 08:13:05 PM
I don't think you play a second string line-up with something like £1M on offer per place you finish in the Premier League...
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 11, 2015, 08:14:17 PM
I don't think you play a second string line-up with something like £1M on offer per place you finish in the Premier League...

I'll take the day at Wembley and finally winning the FA Cup over a couple of million.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: supertom on April 11, 2015, 08:14:43 PM
I don't think you play a second string line-up with something like £1M on offer per place you finish in the Premier League...
We're okay, we've got all that Europa money to grab.

I'd still fancy Timbo to put a few surprises on the bench and I think we'd still win.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on April 11, 2015, 08:17:48 PM
I am starting to believe this seasons relegation battle is going to get nicely boring very quickly. I think the current bottom 3 will go down without much fuss.

That would suit me just fine.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: john e on April 11, 2015, 08:19:15 PM
If we make the final say against arsenal, do we automatically qualify for Europa
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 11, 2015, 08:20:41 PM
If we make the final say against arsenal, do we automatically qualify for Europa

No.

"From the 2015-16 UEFA Europa League season, however, UEFA will not allow the runners-up to qualify for the Europa League through the competition."
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Mortimer's Bear on April 11, 2015, 08:23:57 PM
I am starting to believe this seasons relegation battle is going to get nicely boring very quickly. I think the current bottom 3 will go down without much fuss.

That would suit me just fine.

I think the Albion will be more involved than we will.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Tony Erdington on April 11, 2015, 08:34:13 PM
this week two steps forward, none back.

Happy Villa Fan.

UTV
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: oldtimernow on April 11, 2015, 08:38:13 PM
I am starting to believe this seasons relegation battle is going to get nicely boring very quickly. I think the current bottom 3 will go down without much fuss.

That would suit me just fine.

I think the Albion will be more involved than we will.

That would go some way avenging 56 years of hurt they caused me


not that I harbour grudges mind
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 11, 2015, 08:43:19 PM
If we make the final say against arsenal, do we automatically qualify for Europa

No.

"From the 2015-16 UEFA Europa League season, however, UEFA will not allow the runners-up to qualify for the Europa League through the competition."

Yet ironically they allow lots of runners up teams into the "Champions League"
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: garyshawsknee on April 11, 2015, 08:47:58 PM
I am starting to believe this seasons relegation battle is going to get nicely boring very quickly. I think the current bottom 3 will go down without much fuss.

That would suit me just fine.

I'd worry if I was a Sunderland fan, they beat an equally awful Newcastle, but have had a couple of whippings  recently, and their side lacks quality.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: peter w on April 11, 2015, 08:55:05 PM
1 more win...just 1 more win
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: OCD on April 11, 2015, 10:33:19 PM
I don't expect QPR or Burnley to win their game in hand on us. I think the 6 point gap is big enough that they won't catch us now. Short of us going pointless till the end, which won't happen.

If we're safe and Burnley are down by the last game, I wonder if we might see Rushian get a game and maybe a couple more kids. It'd also be great to give Libor a run out at that point. If Burnley are down already, no one else can really complain if we put out a second string.

Given Sherwood's MO, I would bet on having some kids on the bench at least if we're fortunate enough to be involved in games with nothing resting on them.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Villafirst on April 11, 2015, 11:57:37 PM
2 wins for me to be sure. Actually think we'll win at Southampton after today's win...
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: olaftab on April 12, 2015, 05:51:24 AM
And if we did send Burnley down we should do zero piss taking just to wind up the Geordies.
No one is going to send anyone down based on one match.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: IFWaters on April 12, 2015, 08:47:29 AM
If you look at the form, in the last 6 matches :

Villa 10 points
Leicester 8 points
West Brom 6 points
QPR 4 points
Burnley 4 points
Sunderland 4 points
Newcastle 3 points
Hull 2 points

I think Burnley will do better than that, but I see Hull and Sunderland being in the ****e now and one of the existing bottom 3 not getting to 34 points. I think 34 / 35 points will be enough to stay up.

I would say another 4 points and we will be there, but obviously until we get 40 no-one is really going to relax. I think 40 points should be our target from those remaining games. Its never acceptable for Aston Villa to get less than that.

Unfortunately both Tescos and the Geordies have done enough to save their skins this season already.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: bob on April 12, 2015, 08:51:24 AM
Hull
Sunderland
QPR or Burnley

The ones to drop for me.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: silhillvilla on April 12, 2015, 09:04:52 AM
I'd quite like Burnley to stay up, whereas QPR can do one.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: peter w on April 12, 2015, 09:05:58 AM
I'm never one to set a points target for us to get to. Until we're mathematically safe, or all but, I won't be able to relax.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Des Little on April 12, 2015, 09:11:32 AM
Anyone but us. And the quicker the better.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Astral Weeks on April 12, 2015, 09:30:55 AM
Leicester could stay up yet
How has it worked out that Leicester have five of their last seven at home?
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: CJ on April 12, 2015, 09:38:03 AM
Leicester could stay up yet
How has it worked out that Leicester have five of their last seven at home?

Their home game against Chelsea scheduled for February was postponed
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Steve67 on April 12, 2015, 10:02:20 AM
I still think the foxes are doomed. Hull have a terrible set of fixtures for the run in and the black cats are imploding. Despite Burnley working really hard, they struggle for goals.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Clampy on April 12, 2015, 10:03:18 AM
Leicester's run in is not too bad. I reckon it might be QPR, Sunderland and Hull.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: curiousorange on April 12, 2015, 11:07:53 AM
Out of all of the teams I watched yesterday, Burnley are by far the most impressive. It doesn't say a lot considering they lost, but if they could score more their game against us could be a stroll in the park. As it is, they'll probably be down by then.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Damo70 on April 12, 2015, 11:13:22 AM
I did a predictor yesterday and had QPR, Hull and Sunderland going down. I had Leicester staying up on just 33 points. As someone pointed out yesterday, there are a few games between the bottom six which will suit us whatever happens.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Dave on April 12, 2015, 11:14:55 AM
I still think the foxes are doomed. Hull have a terrible set of fixtures for the run in and the black cats are imploding. Despite Burnley working really hard, they struggle for goals.
So that's four teams going down, not including the bookie's 1-5 favourite, QPR.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: mrastonvilla on April 12, 2015, 11:24:47 AM
I did a predictor yesterday and had QPR, Hull and Sunderland going down. I had Leicester staying up on just 33 points. As someone pointed out yesterday, there are a few games between the bottom six which will suit us whatever happens.

A few games between the bottom 5 and provided QPR lose today the bottom 3 need to win at least 2 of their final 5/6 to even get to our current total.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 12, 2015, 11:36:19 AM
Leicester, Burnley and - to a degree - QPR are showing spirit and fight.

Sunderland look totally devoid of it.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: ez on April 12, 2015, 11:38:00 AM
It will probably be the 3 that are there now otherwise i think Sunderland are the ones who really wish this season could end now.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: mrastonvilla on April 12, 2015, 11:45:43 AM
Sunderland and Hull look the most likely as they have zero momentum at the moment. They both also seem incapable of scoring any goals.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: myf on April 12, 2015, 01:17:19 PM
I wonder if those fans who've bet on us to be relegated are feeling rather guilty every time they see the new Saunders' banner on the Holte end?
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Steve67 on April 12, 2015, 03:03:31 PM
I still think the foxes are doomed. Hull have a terrible set of fixtures for the run in and the black cats are imploding. Despite Burnley working really hard, they struggle for goals.
So that's four teams going down, not including the bookie's 1-5 favourite, QPR.

Er, I haven't actually said any of them are going down. Simply making a comment. FWIW Sunderland, Leicester and Burnley are my three tips.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 12, 2015, 03:29:15 PM
QPR lose.

Table
13   Newcastle    31   -16   35
14   West Brom  32   -16   33
15   Aston Villa   33   -21   32
16   Sunderland  32   -23   29
17   Hull              32   -16   28
18   QPR             33   -21   26
19   Burnley        32   -24   26
20   Leicester      31   -19   25

Remaining fixtures

West Brom
Crystal Palace v West Brom
West Brom v Liverpool
Man Utd v West Brom
Newcastle v West Brom
West Brom v Chelsea
Arsenal v West Brom

Sunderland
Stoke v Sunderland
Sunderland v Southampton
Everton v Sunderland
Sunderland v Leicester
Arsenal v Sunderland
Chelsea v Sunderland

Hull
Hull v Liverpool   
Crystal Palace v Hull
Hull v Arsenal
Hull v Burnley
Tottenham v Hull
Hull v Man Utd

Aston Villa
Man City v Aston Villa
Aston Villa v Everton
Aston Villa v West Ham
Southampton v Aston Villa
Aston Villa v Burnley

Burnley
Everton v Burnley
Burnley v Leicester
West Ham v Burnley
Hull v Burnley
Burnley v Stoke
Aston Villa v Burnley

QPR
QPR v West Ham
Liverpool v QPR
Man City v QPR
QPR v Newcastle
Leicester v QPR

Leicester
Leicester v Swansea
Burnley v Leicester
Leicester v Chelsea
Leicester v Newcastle
Leicester v Southampton
Sunderland v Leicester
Leicester v QPR
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Damo70 on April 12, 2015, 03:38:30 PM
I still think the foxes are doomed. Hull have a terrible set of fixtures for the run in and the black cats are imploding. Despite Burnley working really hard, they struggle for goals.
So that's four teams going down, not including the bookie's 1-5 favourite, QPR.

Er, I haven't actually said any of them are going down. Simply making a comment. FWIW Sunderland, Leicester and Burnley are my three tips.

Who cares? Basically everybody is going down except us. ;)
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: berneboy on April 12, 2015, 03:45:21 PM
Leicester's run in is not too bad. I reckon it might be QPR, Sunderland and Hull.

Leicester may escape as their fixtures look tasty. Sunderland and Hull have much tougher games. I think Burnley may go so for me it's QPR, Burnley and Sunderland.

But as long as it ain't our beloved Villa!
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: ozzjim on April 12, 2015, 05:11:28 PM
Based on the fixture I have the run in giving each side around..

West Brom - 35/36
Sunderland - 33
Hull - 31
Aston Villa -37
Burnley - 34/35
QPR - 33
Leicester - 34

Making it go to the final day, but Sunderland, QPR and Hull going down.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: andyh on April 12, 2015, 05:14:11 PM
The boggies could quite possibly not get another point this season.

Let's hope so.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: silhillvilla on April 12, 2015, 05:35:15 PM
The boggies could quite possibly not get another point this season.

Let's hope so.
I was saying that earlier, it may just be their year (again)
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Des Little on April 12, 2015, 06:44:13 PM
The boggies could quite possibly not get another point this season.

Let's hope so.

We can but hope
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: silhillvilla on April 12, 2015, 06:56:01 PM
What a difference a week makes.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: exigo on April 12, 2015, 07:15:50 PM
Suddenly, Burnley's games against Leicester and Hull look far more vital than their match at our place.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on April 12, 2015, 07:23:25 PM
I think Burnley will be safe before they visit Villa Park. I think they have 3 very winnable games.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Des Little on April 12, 2015, 07:49:30 PM
My dearest wish for the last day is that we are already safe (obviously) and Burnley come to VP needing something to stay up and send the Albion down.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: GarTomas on April 12, 2015, 07:50:08 PM
If we make the final say against arsenal, do we automatically qualify for Europa

No.

"From the 2015-16 UEFA Europa League season, however, UEFA will not allow the runners-up to qualify for the Europa League through the competition."

Yet ironically they allow lots of runners up teams into the "Champions League"

My standard quote to all the Arsenal fans I work with. Most of whom have been to the Emirates less times than I have.  When I point out we won it when it was for Champions only I get the vacant stare that indicates football wasn't invented before the early 90's.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on April 12, 2015, 07:53:13 PM
My dearest wish for the last day is that we are already safe (obviously) and Burnley come to VP needing something to stay up and send the Albion down.

You are not suggesting we are petty minded enough to be cheering a team beating us just to see the baggies relegated surely?

http://staging.itibitiventuresi.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/GIF/2014/08/GIF-dumb-Dumb-and-Dumber-dumber-excited-happy-jim-carrey-LOL-yes-GIF.gif

Me too :)
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 12, 2015, 07:54:52 PM
I don't. I'll leave being that small time to them, cov and small heath.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Des Little on April 12, 2015, 08:02:07 PM
I would never cheer against the Villa. It just be a great head fuck for the Boggies
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on April 12, 2015, 08:04:35 PM
My dearest wish for the last day is that we are already safe (obviously) and Burnley come to VP needing something to stay up and send the Albion down.

I'll settle for Albion fans praying for a Villa victory.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on April 12, 2015, 08:06:50 PM
Not sure where else to put this but I couldn't stop giggling when I saw it.

Sunderlands football team maybe relegation material but the club have some world class forum posters.

On Gary Lineker's smart ass comments.

http://www.readytogo.net/smb/threads/if-you-want-to-miss-the-traffic-at-sunderland-you-should-stay-til-the-end-of-the-game.1062537/

"Uncle D" probably is my favourite (spoilerd for language).

"He can fuck off the jug lugged kernt and he can stick walkers crisps right up his fucking arse."


Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on April 12, 2015, 08:10:35 PM
My dearest wish for the last day is that we are already safe (obviously) and Burnley come to VP needing something to stay up and send the Albion down.

You are not suggesting we are petty minded enough to be cheering a team beating us just to see the baggies relegated surely?

http://staging.itibitiventuresi.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/GIF/2014/08/GIF-dumb-Dumb-and-Dumber-dumber-excited-happy-jim-carrey-LOL-yes-GIF.gif

Me too :)

In that situation I'm not saying I'd like to see us get beat; but I wouldn't mind if Sherwood fielded the under 21s, whilst resting the first team for the FA Cup Final.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: nodge on April 12, 2015, 08:33:25 PM
I'd rather be safe before discussing sending other teams down.  Isn't that exactly what the WBA fans were doing about us a few weeks ago and singing about yesterday?  Sorry I don't do "bantz".
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Steve67 on April 12, 2015, 08:37:17 PM
I hadn't realized that the bitters run in was so tough. Points on the board have probably saved them. I am also quite pleased we didn't sign Joleon Lescott too.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: clash city rocker on April 12, 2015, 08:37:30 PM
Wouldn't be suprised if a team goes down because of goal difference this season...That would be a sickening for the team involved.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Villafirst on April 12, 2015, 08:39:34 PM
You field your strongest line-up, always, end of!
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: silhillvilla on April 12, 2015, 08:51:45 PM
I'd be disgusted if I ever witnessed villa throw a game on purpose. We are not that sort of club.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: olaftab on April 12, 2015, 08:55:35 PM
Except we did exactly that in Moscow in 2009.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: dave shelley on April 12, 2015, 08:59:15 PM
This one made me smile a bit, the second sentence, the first sentence rings quite true.

Cannot stand People in the media who never pay to attend a match criticising people who do pay to attend matches

Anyway I reckon linekars lass will elope with one of linekars sons

Read more: http://www.readytogo.net/smb/threads/if-you-want-to-miss-the-traffic-at-sunderland-you-should-stay-til-the-end-of-the-game.1062537/page-2#ixzz3X7vRFwPJ

Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: silhillvilla on April 12, 2015, 09:00:15 PM
Except we did exactly that in Moscow in 2009.
Well pubehead did, the kids tried hard. Yes I was more angry at pubehead.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Louzie0 on April 12, 2015, 09:06:42 PM
You field your strongest line-up, always, end of!
Hope Liverpool remember that maxim tomorrow and act accordingly. They'll be nice and tired by Sunday.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: silhillvilla on April 12, 2015, 09:11:38 PM
You field your strongest line-up, always, end of!
Hope Liverpool remember that maxim tomorrow and act accordingly. They'll be nice and tired by Sunday.
Top 4 is their priority
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 12, 2015, 09:19:39 PM
If we are safe and Burnley are safe/relegated then I wouldn't mind us fielding the U18 side considering our record for injuries this season!
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Louzie0 on April 12, 2015, 09:23:50 PM
You field your strongest line-up, always, end of!
Hope Liverpool remember that maxim tomorrow and act accordingly. They'll be nice and tired by Sunday.
Top 4 is their priority
Ah yes, good thinking Silhill!  :)
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 12, 2015, 09:25:19 PM
City losing earlier will have them thinking they still have a shout of 4th.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: silhillvilla on April 12, 2015, 09:27:30 PM
Liverpool next 3 league fixtures are really winnable - Newcastle wba and hull.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on April 12, 2015, 09:35:38 PM
If my calculations are correct then I think we are actually spot on points wise at this stage against my original prediction - albeit in the most unlikely of ways.  This is Villa about which we are talking however.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: mrastonvilla on April 12, 2015, 10:01:01 PM
I'd like to see QPR go just to find out if the football league will throw the book at them for breaking their FFP rules last season
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Jon Crofts on April 12, 2015, 10:38:12 PM
Not sure where else to put this but I couldn't stop giggling when I saw it.

Sunderlands football team maybe relegation material but the club have some world class forum posters.

On Gary Lineker's smart ass comments.

http://www.readytogo.net/smb/threads/if-you-want-to-miss-the-traffic-at-sunderland-you-should-stay-til-the-end-of-the-game.1062537/

"Uncle D" probably is my favourite (spoilerd for language).

"He can fuck off the jug lugged kernt and he can stick walkers crisps right up his fucking arse."




Is it just me or does anyone else read that message board in a Tyneside/Geordie accent like?  Kodacolor Gold Filum.  Conjunctivitis.  Kawasaki. 
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Villan For Life on April 12, 2015, 10:42:51 PM
Not sure where else to put this but I couldn't stop giggling when I saw it.

Sunderlands football team maybe relegation material but the club have some world class forum posters.

On Gary Lineker's smart ass comments.

http://www.readytogo.net/smb/threads/if-you-want-to-miss-the-traffic-at-sunderland-you-should-stay-til-the-end-of-the-game.1062537/

"Uncle D" probably is my favourite (spoilerd for language).

"He can fuck off the jug lugged kernt and he can stick walkers crisps right up his fucking arse."




Is it just me or does anyone else read that message board in a Tyneside/Geordie accent like?  Kodacolor Gold Filum.  Conjunctivitis.  Kawasaki. 

Yore not aloone bonny lad.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 12, 2015, 11:01:02 PM
Why ay marra.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: OCD on April 12, 2015, 11:20:45 PM
I enjoy seeing us win too much to want us to throw a game. It could also mean finish higher in the table, which would mean more prize money to go towards transfers. Let the Baggies continue their small time practice of throwing games in the hope of it screwing us up.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 12, 2015, 11:25:04 PM
After almost a season of absolute dog shit yet again, I want us to win every single game we play between now and the end.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on April 12, 2015, 11:30:10 PM
Why ay marra.

Ha way man, yer not wrong like.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on April 13, 2015, 01:18:43 PM
I'd like to see QPR go just to find out if the football league will throw the book at them for breaking their FFP rules last season

Imagine if they went down to the Conference, I might actually die laughing.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: richard moore on April 13, 2015, 01:25:58 PM
What games, if any, do other relegation candidates have next weekend whilst we are otherwise occupied? We don't want to lose too much ground, particularly with Man City away our next game.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: TheMalandro on April 13, 2015, 01:28:44 PM
What games, if any, do other relegation candidates have next weekend whilst we are otherwise occupied? We don't want to lose too much ground, particularly with Man City away our next game.

QPR miss next weekend too, not sure why or the other fixtures
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Comrade Blitz on April 13, 2015, 01:30:05 PM
Burnley away to Everton
Leicester away to Swansea
Baggies away to Palace

The rest are off because of the Cup.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: joe_c on April 13, 2015, 01:34:58 PM
What games, if any, do other relegation candidates have next weekend whilst we are otherwise occupied? We don't want to lose too much ground, particularly with Man City away our next game.

QPR miss next weekend too, not sure why or the other fixtures

Because next weekend is when we were scheduled to play QPR but was moved to last week.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: AV82EC on April 13, 2015, 01:38:38 PM
Happy to help

Tonight

Liverpool v Newcastle - hoping for a Liverpool win so the bitter Geordies are still within reach but doing it with 9 men after Coutinho and Sturridge get sent off and miss the semi.

Saturday

Palace v Albion - Palace are safe so hoping they win by three of four and dump Albion right in the shit and within reach of us.

Everton v Burnley - Evertons form has picked up of late so hoping they win this one.

Leicester v Swansea - bit worried about this as Gomis is injured and Swansea look a bit light on goals. Probably a draw which wouldn't be too bad.

Sunday

Newcastle v Spurs - hoping for a Spurs away win to keep the geordies in reach.



Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: richard moore on April 13, 2015, 01:39:42 PM
Burnley away to Everton
Leicester away to Swansea
Baggies away to Palace

The rest are off because of the Cup.

Ah, thank you Comrade, that doesn't look too bad at all. Good news!
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on April 13, 2015, 04:08:35 PM
I think we can make a 39/40 point total from here in.

Beat West Ham and Burnley and a draw V Everton, maybe a draw at Southampton too.

Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: eamonn on April 13, 2015, 06:02:25 PM
Burnley away to Everton
Leicester away to Swansea
Baggies away to Palace

The rest are off because of the Cup.

Arsenal, Liverpool and Villa in the cup = 3 league games wiped-out. What about the other four?
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: AV82EC on April 13, 2015, 06:05:26 PM
Burnley away to Everton
Leicester away to Swansea
Baggies away to Palace

The rest are off because of the Cup.

Arsenal, Liverpool and Villa in the cup = 3 league games wiped-out. What about the other four?

Of no consequence to the relegation battle.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on April 13, 2015, 06:11:39 PM
Burnley away to Everton
Leicester away to Swansea
Baggies away to Palace

The rest are off because of the Cup.

Arsenal, Liverpool and Villa in the cup = 3 league games wiped-out. What about the other four?

Saturday

Stoke v Southampton
Chelsea v Man Utd

Sunday

Man City v West Ham
Newcastle v Spurs

Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 13, 2015, 08:41:37 PM
Newcastle-Spurs will be thrill a minute.....
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Des Little on April 13, 2015, 10:19:27 PM
Looking at Newcastle's run in, I think we'll finish above them. The way they're playing they could easily get into bother.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Mortimer's Bear on April 13, 2015, 10:25:00 PM
Looking at Newcastle's run in, I think we'll finish above them. The way they're playing they could easily get into bother.

It makes it all the more frustrating that we've given them 4 points, take them off and they'd be right in the mire.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: richard moore on April 14, 2015, 08:07:01 AM
Looking at Newcastle's run in, I think we'll finish above them. The way they're playing they could easily get into bother.

As I said previously, a crafty little bet on them to go down next season might be an astute move
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: TheMalandro on April 14, 2015, 08:19:26 AM
Looking at Newcastle's run in, I think we'll finish above them. The way they're playing they could easily get into bother.

As I said previously, a crafty little bet on them to go down next season might be an astute move

Probably similar to us over the last few years, a couple of decent players. Bad but not bad enough to go down.
I can't see them making the same mistakes that saw them relegated before.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Villa in Denmark on April 14, 2015, 02:06:42 PM
Looking at Newcastle's run in, I think we'll finish above them. The way they're playing they could easily get into bother.

As I said previously, a crafty little bet on them to go down next season might be an astute move

Probably similar to us over the last few years, a couple of decent players. Bad but not bad enough to go down.
I can't see them making the same mistakes that saw them relegated before.

Depends on who they can get in as manager. Their squad isn't quite as bad as Sunderland's, but the wrong appointment and they start off badly.......
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: chrisw1 on April 14, 2015, 02:12:14 PM
Looking at Newcastle's run in, I think we'll finish above them. The way they're playing they could easily get into bother.

As I said previously, a crafty little bet on them to go down next season might be an astute move

wouldn't that be joyous?
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 14, 2015, 02:16:42 PM
I don't think so. Pardew never had them in this situation. I think a decent manager will have them safely in mid table as they do have some talent in that squad. Carver is simply awful and he'll be gone come the summer.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on April 14, 2015, 02:46:55 PM
Looking at Newcastle's run in, I think we'll finish above them. The way they're playing they could easily get into bother.

As I said previously, a crafty little bet on them to go down next season might be an astute move

wouldn't that be joyous?

Sissoko will presumably be suspended too and he's their best player.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Dave on April 14, 2015, 03:24:47 PM
I don't think so. Pardew never had them in this situation. I think a decent manager will have them safely in mid table as they do have some talent in that squad.
Not sure which bits of it are going to be left. Cisse, Coloccini, Sissoko and Krul are all rumoured to want to leave this summer.

Take them out and there isn't a whole lot left.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Des Little on April 14, 2015, 03:25:37 PM
Isn't Schteve McLaren being lined up for them next season?
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 14, 2015, 05:57:44 PM
I don't think so. Pardew never had them in this situation. I think a decent manager will have them safely in mid table as they do have some talent in that squad.
Not sure which bits of it are going to be left. Cisse, Coloccini, Sissoko and Krul are all rumoured to want to leave this summer.

Take them out and there isn't a whole lot left.

true though what has helped them is their ability to find replacements through what is a very good scouting department. They seem to have a top notch network in France. Off course I hope I am completely wrong and they sink like a stone.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: OCD on April 14, 2015, 11:10:54 PM
I don't think so. Pardew never had them in this situation. I think a decent manager will have them safely in mid table as they do have some talent in that squad.
Not sure which bits of it are going to be left. Cisse, Coloccini, Sissoko and Krul are all rumoured to want to leave this summer.

Take them out and there isn't a whole lot left.

Similar was said about Southampton last summer. I know a lot of what they've done is down to their manager but nobody knows who they'll appoint as manager.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: ozzjim on April 15, 2015, 12:12:35 AM
Koeman will be judged next season not this for me. Look at Martinez this season, could not sustain the form despite them splashing huge money on Lukaku etc. Europe doesn't help, but decently performing sides seem to get an upward bounce with a new manager, then hit a tough slump the season after. Southampton will be interesting next season.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Damo70 on April 15, 2015, 12:30:46 AM
I don't think so. Pardew never had them in this situation. I think a decent manager will have them safely in mid table as they do have some talent in that squad. Carver is simply awful and he'll be gone come the summer.

I don't think he will be gone by summer but unless they have a good start to next season I don't think he will be around to decide whether to let the players have a Christmas party or not.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Damo70 on April 15, 2015, 12:43:17 AM
Koeman will be judged next season not this for me. Look at Martinez this season, could not sustain the form despite them splashing huge money on Lukaku etc. Europe doesn't help, but decently performing sides seem to get an upward bounce with a new manager, then hit a tough slump the season after. Southampton will be interesting next season.

Koeman deserves more credit for his first season than Martinez as Martinez took over a steady ship whereas Koeman took over a ship where most of the crew had deserted. But it did give him money to spend and you are right about history being littered with managers who couldn't maintain the standards they set early on in their reign.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on April 15, 2015, 02:21:21 AM
Isn't Schteve McLaren being lined up for them next season?

Poor bloke. They will rip him to shreds.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Matt C on April 15, 2015, 03:21:28 AM
Would you swap Derby for that lot at the moment? Unless they have a change in ownership their sights will have to be set lower.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: tomd2103 on April 15, 2015, 03:30:56 AM
Looking at Newcastle's run in, I think we'll finish above them. The way they're playing they could easily get into bother.

As I said previously, a crafty little bet on them to go down next season might be an astute move

They'd probably find a way to blame us if they did.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: pbavfckuwait on April 15, 2015, 07:12:55 AM
I think 35 points will keep a team up this season and dependent on the result Sunday, a win and I could also see us getting something at Man City. Got to win one and at least draw in the 3 home games left.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Dave on April 15, 2015, 07:45:32 AM
I don't think so. Pardew never had them in this situation. I think a decent manager will have them safely in mid table as they do have some talent in that squad.
Not sure which bits of it are going to be left. Cisse, Coloccini, Sissoko and Krul are all rumoured to want to leave this summer.

Take them out and there isn't a whole lot left.

Similar was said about Southampton last summer. I know a lot of what they've done is down to their manager but nobody knows who they'll appoint as manager.
I'd completely disagree. Most of what Southampton have got right is down to the sensible structure that is in place behind the manager, much like at Swansea. So that if a manager or players leave, the framework is in place to carry on.

I'm not sure that's something that you can say about Newcastle.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: supertom on April 15, 2015, 10:31:32 AM
I don't think so. Pardew never had them in this situation. I think a decent manager will have them safely in mid table as they do have some talent in that squad.
Not sure which bits of it are going to be left. Cisse, Coloccini, Sissoko and Krul are all rumoured to want to leave this summer.

Take them out and there isn't a whole lot left.

Similar was said about Southampton last summer. I know a lot of what they've done is down to their manager but nobody knows who they'll appoint as manager.
I'd completely disagree. Most of what Southampton have got right is down to the sensible structure that is in place behind the manager, much like at Swansea. So that if a manager or players leave, the framework is in place to carry on.

I'm not sure that's something that you can say about Newcastle.
Newcastle are a shambles. In recent years, but for Pardew's ability to put together good runs of form (albeit in patches), they'd have gone down. They've had good runs under him and awful runs. The good runs have kept them well out of danger. Indeed Pardews work at Newcastle this season is largely what will keep them up as Carver is clearly in over his head.

So their next appointment needs to be someone capable of going on a good run. They've got a lot of poor players. There are some really good ones, but not the sort who really seem to muck in when the chips are down.
Mike Ashley must also be a fucking nightmare to work for.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Gregorys Boy on April 15, 2015, 10:55:02 AM
I don't think so. Pardew never had them in this situation. I think a decent manager will have them safely in mid table as they do have some talent in that squad.
Not sure which bits of it are going to be left. Cisse, Coloccini, Sissoko and Krul are all rumoured to want to leave this summer.

Take them out and there isn't a whole lot left.

Similar was said about Southampton last summer. I know a lot of what they've done is down to their manager but nobody knows who they'll appoint as manager.
I'd completely disagree. Most of what Southampton have got right is down to the sensible structure that is in place behind the manager, much like at Swansea. So that if a manager or players leave, the framework is in place to carry on.

I'm not sure that's something that you can say about Newcastle.
Newcastle are a shambles. In recent years, but for Pardew's ability to put together good runs of form (albeit in patches), they'd have gone down. They've had good runs under him and awful runs. The good runs have kept them well out of danger. Indeed Pardews work at Newcastle this season is largely what will keep them up as Carver is clearly in over his head.

So their next appointment needs to be someone capable of going on a good run. They've got a lot of poor players. There are some really good ones, but not the sort who really seem to muck in when the chips are down.
Mike Ashley must also be a fucking nightmare to work for.

Also, previous Newcastle squads have had just enough good players to keep them at least solid.  But I think the present squad is starting to look really thin and light on quality.  If they get the next apointment wrong then I think they will be one of the strong favourites for the drop next season.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: OCD on April 15, 2015, 10:35:29 PM
I don't think so. Pardew never had them in this situation. I think a decent manager will have them safely in mid table as they do have some talent in that squad.
Not sure which bits of it are going to be left. Cisse, Coloccini, Sissoko and Krul are all rumoured to want to leave this summer.

Take them out and there isn't a whole lot left.

Similar was said about Southampton last summer. I know a lot of what they've done is down to their manager but nobody knows who they'll appoint as manager.
I'd completely disagree. Most of what Southampton have got right is down to the sensible structure that is in place behind the manager, much like at Swansea. So that if a manager or players leave, the framework is in place to carry on.

I'm not sure that's something that you can say about Newcastle.

I agree that Southampton have a good set-up but Koeman deserves credit too. It was the set-up that identified Koeman though.

Newcastle have had successes from their scouting department over the last few years but they underestimated the job that Pardew was doing for them. Their managerial appointment will make or break them. Had Southampton got the wrong man they would have struggled too.

Newcastle have really shot themselves in the foot by selling their best players too. Their record with and without Cabeye showed how important he was.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: mike on April 16, 2015, 09:35:28 AM
Judging by the comments about other clubs, I take it that no one else is still a bit worried about our situation? I probably just need to grow a pair!
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Richard E on April 16, 2015, 09:49:52 AM
Judging by the comments about other clubs, I take it that no one else is still a bit worried about our situation? I probably just need to grow a pair!

BELIEVE!!!
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: KevinGage on April 16, 2015, 09:59:48 AM
Judging by the comments about other clubs, I take it that no one else is still a bit worried about our situation? I probably just need to grow a pair!

I'm still worried.

No league game this weekend, Man Citeh away the following week (which based on our record up there looks like the definition of a home banker, even if they have slipped a bit recently) which means we're into May before we'll realistically pick up three points again.

If we don't manage that against Everton, the pressure will be huge.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 16, 2015, 10:10:59 AM
Judging by the comments about other clubs, I take it that no one else is still a bit worried about our situation? I probably just need to grow a pair!

I'm hopeful results will go our way this weekend. But I think realistically we maybe need three more points and I'm fairly confident we'll get those.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Legion on April 16, 2015, 10:42:14 AM
I'll be shaking like a shitting puppy [(c) pauliewalnuts] until we are mathematically clear of danger.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on April 16, 2015, 11:29:28 AM
We should pick up some points from our last 4 games:-

Everton (h)
Southampton (a)
West Ham (a)
Burnley (a)

Not holding out much hope against Citeh away.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Dave on April 16, 2015, 11:52:37 AM
If we don't manage that against Everton, the pressure will be huge.
It wouldn't be a huge surprise if we went into those last four matches still 4-6 points clear.

If we hadn't got that win at Spurs then I'd still be a bit concerned, but we're 12-1 to go down for a reason (which I think is as long as the odds have been since that good run at the start of the season).
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 16, 2015, 12:00:34 PM
We should pick up some points from our last 4 games:-

Everton (h)
Southampton (a)
West Ham (a)
Burnley (a)

Not holding out much hope against Citeh away.

Burnley and West Ham are at home.
Burnley
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 16, 2015, 12:01:20 PM
If we don't manage that against Everton, the pressure will be huge.
It wouldn't be a huge surprise if we went into those last four matches still 4-6 points clear.

If we hadn't got that win at Spurs then I'd still be a bit concerned, but we're 12-1 to go down for a reason (which I think is as long as the odds have been since that good run at the start of the season).

Yep that Spurs win and the results around us last weekend were huge.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on April 16, 2015, 12:21:26 PM
We should pick up some points from our last 4 games:-

Everton (h)
Southampton (a)
West Ham (a)
Burnley (a)

Not holding out much hope against Citeh away.

Burnley and West Ham are at home.
Burnley

Sorry, typing quickly at work and not checking what I'd done.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Ads on April 16, 2015, 12:25:00 PM
Judging by the comments about other clubs, I take it that no one else is still a bit worried about our situation? I probably just need to grow a pair!

I'm still worried.

No league game this weekend, Man Citeh away the following week (which based on our record up there looks like the definition of a home banker, even if they have slipped a bit recently) which means we're into May before we'll realistically pick up three points again.

If we don't manage that against Everton, the pressure will be huge.

Man City have lost 6 out of 8. They're shitting it at the prospect of facing us.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: AVH87 on April 16, 2015, 03:10:54 PM
Judging by the comments about other clubs, I take it that no one else is still a bit worried about our situation? I probably just need to grow a pair!

I'm still worried.

No league game this weekend, Man Citeh away the following week (which based on our record up there looks like the definition of a home banker, even if they have slipped a bit recently) which means we're into May before we'll realistically pick up three points again.

If we don't manage that against Everton, the pressure will be huge.

Man City have lost 6 out of 8. They're shitting it at the prospect of facing us.

Are they really though? I can't imagine many City fans expecting anything other than 3 points, given the two club's league positions and their PL home record against us.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Dave on April 16, 2015, 03:59:56 PM
Judging by the comments about other clubs, I take it that no one else is still a bit worried about our situation? I probably just need to grow a pair!

I'm still worried.

No league game this weekend, Man Citeh away the following week (which based on our record up there looks like the definition of a home banker, even if they have slipped a bit recently) which means we're into May before we'll realistically pick up three points again.

If we don't manage that against Everton, the pressure will be huge.

Man City have lost 6 out of 8. They're shitting it at the prospect of facing us.

Are they really though? I can't imagine many City fans expecting anything other than 3 points, given the two club's league positions and their PL home record against us.
I expect most Spurs fans thought the same.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: joe_c on April 16, 2015, 04:07:47 PM
Judging by the comments about other clubs, I take it that no one else is still a bit worried about our situation? I probably just need to grow a pair!

I'm still worried.

No league game this weekend, Man Citeh away the following week (which based on our record up there looks like the definition of a home banker, even if they have slipped a bit recently) which means we're into May before we'll realistically pick up three points again.

If we don't manage that against Everton, the pressure will be huge.

Man City have lost 6 out of 8. They're shitting it at the prospect of facing us.

Are they really though? I can't imagine many City fans expecting anything other than 3 points, given the two club's league positions and their PL home record against us.
I expect most Spurs fans thought the same.

I also expect most Man City fans will have thought their games with Burnley would yield more than one point. I'm less worried about the outcome of this game than I was a month ago even if we do lose.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: AVH87 on April 16, 2015, 04:11:20 PM
Upsets happen, still wouldn't expect City fans to be bricking it before playing a team they are much better than. By the same token I wouldn't expect Arsenal to be bricking it before playing Reading this weekend.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: silhillvilla on April 16, 2015, 04:37:06 PM
When did west ham last win a football match ?
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Gregorys Boy on April 16, 2015, 08:31:12 PM
We need one more win or maybe a few draws to be certain.  I've seen enough to be confident that we will get that.  Can see us taking points off West Ham and Everton, maybe even Southampton and City.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Richard E on April 16, 2015, 08:42:26 PM
When did west ham last win a football match ?

World Cup Final 1966
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: adrenachrome on April 16, 2015, 09:23:22 PM
When did west ham last win a football match ?

World Cup Final 1966

It's a cracker!
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Richard E on April 16, 2015, 09:25:18 PM
When did west ham last win a football match ?

World Cup Final 1966

It's a cracker!

I'm here all week ladies and gentlemen. Try the scampi, it's magnificent.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 16, 2015, 11:24:02 PM
I bet no rational opposition fans are viewing the prospect of playing against us as a guaranteed 3 points for the rest of the season. Not saying at all we won't lose, but we won't lose lying down anymore like we used to.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on April 16, 2015, 11:44:48 PM
Personally i think we just need 4 more points. I can't see why we won't manage that with our remaining fixtures and am therefore pretty chilled. Slippers on and bong in hand.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Des Little on April 17, 2015, 11:01:21 AM
Personally i think we just need 4 more points. I can't see why we won't manage that with our remaining fixtures and am therefore pretty chilled. Slippers on and bong in hand.

You are Raheem Sterling and I claim my £5
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on April 17, 2015, 11:20:03 AM
Personally i think we just need 4 more points. I can't see why we won't manage that with our remaining fixtures and am therefore pretty chilled. Slippers on and bong in hand.

You are Raheem Sterling and I claim my £5

I've turned down £10 an hour. I'm a greedy shit and holding out for around £12.10.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Clampy on April 17, 2015, 01:39:00 PM
I bet no rational opposition fans are viewing the prospect of playing against us as a guaranteed 3 points for the rest of the season. Not saying at all we won't lose, but we won't lose lying down anymore like we used to.

I think back to that Hull away game and remember how totally awful we were.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on April 17, 2015, 02:13:49 PM
I bet no rational opposition fans are viewing the prospect of playing against us as a guaranteed 3 points for the rest of the season. Not saying at all we won't lose, but we won't lose lying down anymore like we used to.

I think back to that Hull away game and remember how totally awful we were.

It's like another era now.  35 points will make us safe.  It would be nice to improve on last year's finish with an improve GD. An end to the shitty new records that we've managed to accumulate under PL would be nice too.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 17, 2015, 08:06:20 PM
I bet no rational opposition fans are viewing the prospect of playing against us as a guaranteed 3 points for the rest of the season. Not saying at all we won't lose, but we won't lose lying down anymore like we used to.

I think back to that Hull away game and remember how totally awful we were.

And not just that game Clamps. There were a number of games Lambert sent the team out draped in white flags. I never want to see that again.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on April 17, 2015, 08:37:17 PM
And Leicester...a bloody low point that was.

Played off the park by Leicester fu**ing City, starring Marc Albrighton.
We were truly shit that day...and we knew it!
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: silhillvilla on April 17, 2015, 10:29:40 PM
I bet no rational opposition fans are viewing the prospect of playing against us as a guaranteed 3 points for the rest of the season. Not saying at all we won't lose, but we won't lose lying down anymore like we used to.

I think back to that Hull away game and remember how totally awful we were.
Definitely in my top 5 ever worst villa performances I've been at. We were truly shocking,
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Ad@m on April 18, 2015, 10:06:23 AM
An end to the shitty new records that we've managed to accumulate under PL would be nice too.

Aren't we currently on 3 home league wins for the season? One less than TSM's record which Lambert equalled.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Clampy on April 18, 2015, 10:08:41 AM
And Leicester...a bloody low point that was.

Played off the park by Leicester fu**ing City, starring Marc Albrighton.
We were truly shit that day...and we knew it!

Lambert should have gone after the Leicester game. It was awful to watch.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: TheMalandro on April 18, 2015, 10:09:24 AM
An end to the shitty new records that we've managed to accumulate under PL would be nice too.

Aren't we currently on 3 home league wins for the season? One less than TSM's record which Lambert equalled.

I don't think we will be breaking lambert's records for a long time
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Ads on April 18, 2015, 10:13:51 AM
It's easy to say, but I look at games like Newcastle, Sunderland, Palace at home, West Brom, Burnley, Leicester and Hull away and think that with Sherwood and an attacking intent, we could easily be 10-12 points better off.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: silhillvilla on April 18, 2015, 10:23:32 AM
It's easy to say, but I look at games like Newcastle, Sunderland, Palace at home, West Brom, Burnley, Leicester and Hull away and think that with Sherwood and an attacking intent, we could easily be 10-12 points better off.
Yep, we'd be safe mid table now if he'd been in at say January. Equally the two home games at Xmas v palace and Sunderland that's another 4 points right there
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 18, 2015, 05:10:11 PM
Leicester win, Burnley lose.

13   West Brom  33   -14   36
14   Newcastle    32   -18   35
15   Aston Villa   33   -21   32
16   Sunderland  32   -23   29
17   Hull              32   -16   28
18   Leicester      32   -17   28
19   QPR             33   -21   26
20   Burnley        33   -25   26

Remaining fixtures

West Brom
West Brom v Liverpool
Man Utd v West Brom
Newcastle v West Brom
West Brom v Chelsea
Arsenal v West Brom

Newcastle
Newcastle v Tottenham
Newcastle v Swansea
Leicester v Newcastle
Newcastle v West Brom
QPR v Newcastle
Newcastle v West Ham

Sunderland
Stoke v Sunderland
Sunderland v Southampton
Everton v Sunderland
Sunderland v Leicester
Arsenal v Sunderland
Chelsea v Sunderland

Hull
Hull v Liverpool   
Crystal Palace v Hull
Hull v Arsenal
Hull v Burnley
Tottenham v Hull
Hull v Man Utd

Aston Villa
Man City v Aston Villa
Aston Villa v Everton
Aston Villa v West Ham
Southampton v Aston Villa
Aston Villa v Burnley

Burnley
Burnley v Leicester
West Ham v Burnley
Hull v Burnley
Burnley v Stoke
Aston Villa v Burnley

QPR
QPR v West Ham
Liverpool v QPR
Man City v QPR
QPR v Newcastle
Leicester v QPR

Leicester
Burnley v Leicester
Leicester v Chelsea
Leicester v Newcastle
Leicester v Southampton
Sunderland v Leicester
Leicester v QPR
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 18, 2015, 07:14:20 PM
Leicester are worrying me a little, but I think Hull should be more concerned.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Matt Collins on April 18, 2015, 07:32:17 PM
I think Leicester might be ok. I think hull are in a whole heap of doggy doo doo

We can't rely on others though. We need a win and a draw or two to be safe I think.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Des Little on April 18, 2015, 07:38:16 PM
Burnley, QPR, Hull. Take it to the bank
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: OCD on April 18, 2015, 07:49:22 PM
Burnley - Leicester next week will be a tasty game.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: myf on April 18, 2015, 08:00:20 PM
Leicester have a dream run in and will prob be okay now. Hopefully a draw between them and burnley next week. Annoying result for Palace as well
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: silhillvilla on April 18, 2015, 08:11:40 PM
Not sure 34 pts is enough after all.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: tomd2103 on April 18, 2015, 08:14:59 PM
I bet no rational opposition fans are viewing the prospect of playing against us as a guaranteed 3 points for the rest of the season. Not saying at all we won't lose, but we won't lose lying down anymore like we used to.

I think back to that Hull away game and remember how totally awful we were.

And not just that game Clamps. There were a number of games Lambert sent the team out draped in white flags. I never want to see that again.

QPR away was horrendous.  That should have been the final straw. 
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 18, 2015, 08:29:58 PM
One win and we'll be fine.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: walsall villain on April 18, 2015, 10:11:58 PM
I am more concerned than ever especially than two years ago but it worked last time so I feel duty bound to try and plot our escape again.  Here goes.


Newcastle v Aston Vila - Draw 1 point
Aston Villa v West Brom - Draw 1 point
Sunderland v Aston Villa - Win 3 points
Aston Villa v Swansea    - Win 3 points
Man Utd v Aston Villa   - lose 0 points
Tottenham v Aston Villa - lose 0 points
Aston Villa v QPR - Win 3 points
Man City v Aston Villa   - Lose 0 points
Aston Villa v Everton - Draw 1 point
Aston Villa v West Ham - Draw 1 point
Southampton v Aston Villa - Lose 0 points
Aston Villa v Burnley - Win 3 points

Gives us 38 points.  Enough I think but one hell of a task ill grant you.

Two years ago we had 24 points at this stage of the season and ended on 41.
Opening post to this and very accurate so far regarding points, but not quite where you predicted. Think it will be accurate for the final 5, should get 5 points easily and be more than safe. Then we can concentrate on the final.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Des Little on April 18, 2015, 10:13:52 PM
Not sure 34 pts is enough after all.

Never was? The talk has been 36 hasn't it?
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: ozzjim on April 19, 2015, 12:54:45 PM
West Ham at home is the key game now. Win I reckon we will be safe on 35. Burnley and QPR look doomed, and I can't see Hull or Sunderland getting to more than 35.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: villa for life on April 19, 2015, 01:16:56 PM
And Everton are now safe, which should work in our favour.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 19, 2015, 05:44:14 PM
Please end this relegation threat asap so we can enjoy the build up!
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Steve67 on April 19, 2015, 06:40:54 PM
Who'd have thought going into the three tough games against Spurs, Liverpool and Man City that we'd win two of them? And we might get something from City yet!  The tide has turned, this is a different Villa. We will get something from our last four games to see us to safety. That said, no room for complacency.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: supertom on April 19, 2015, 10:32:22 PM
With Benteke in this form, Delph and TC playing very well and Grealish looking a hell of a player, I'm pretty confident we'll be safe as houses this season. There's a few teams that are there for the taking in the last 5 games. Some will have one foot in their holidays, whilst I'd expect us to see off Burnley. Even the toughest game on paper, against City, doesn't seem that daunting now. We go for it and we can win it.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Rudy65 on April 19, 2015, 10:35:47 PM
With Benteke in this form, Delph and TC playing very well and Grealish looking a hell of a player, I'm pretty confident we'll be safe as houses this season. There's a few teams that are there for the taking in the last 5 games. Some will have one foot in their holidays, whilst I'd expect us to see off Burnley. Even the toughest game on paper, against City, doesn't seem that daunting now. We go for it and we can win it.

Need to keep our remaining 2 CB's fit. That is key
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Duncan Shaw on April 19, 2015, 10:35:57 PM
Newcastle not out of it yet.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: supertom on April 19, 2015, 11:01:22 PM
With Benteke in this form, Delph and TC playing very well and Grealish looking a hell of a player, I'm pretty confident we'll be safe as houses this season. There's a few teams that are there for the taking in the last 5 games. Some will have one foot in their holidays, whilst I'd expect us to see off Burnley. Even the toughest game on paper, against City, doesn't seem that daunting now. We go for it and we can win it.

Need to keep our remaining 2 CB's fit. That is key
It doesn't look good for Baker and Clark. I wonder if Senderos is anywhere near close to getting back.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Legion on April 19, 2015, 11:03:23 PM
Still worried due to our centre-back situation. I believe Baker and Clark are out for the rest of the season.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 20, 2015, 01:02:35 PM
I just hope Vlaar and Okore stay fit now. That's my one concern for our survival and the cup final.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Des Little on April 20, 2015, 01:14:59 PM
Where the f*ck is Senderos?
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: ozzjim on April 20, 2015, 01:21:57 PM
I asked this on the match and the baker thread yesterday. Even in the after match pictures the injured ones are there, even some little Spanish kid that we have not seen for weeks is there, but Senderos is nowhere to be seen.

We need to start a where the fuck is Senderos thread!!
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Des Little on April 20, 2015, 01:24:14 PM
He could have cut his leg off and regrown another one in 5 months.  He's the new Ivo Stas.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: exigo on April 20, 2015, 10:06:05 PM
Do you want to bet against us now?

QPR 2/13
Burnley   4/11
Hull City 10/11
Sunderland 19/20
Leicester City 15/8
Aston Villa 10/1
Newcastle United 66/1
West Bromwich Albion 150/1
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 20, 2015, 10:21:08 PM
10/1 is tempting odds as insurance I must admit....

The reality is we beat West Ham who are on the beach now and missing their best striker and get a draw v either Everton or Southampton and that's us safe.

Added bonus Burnley have run out of steam by the looks of it so it's feasible they'll be relegated by the time they come here on the last day.

Given Sunderland finished with away games at Arsenal and Chelsea we'd have to seriously fcuk up to finish below them given we have 3 point advantage and better GD currently.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: ozzjim on April 20, 2015, 10:40:20 PM
I think 35 will be safe still, so winning against West Ham ideally, but a point from another game too would just make certain. Burnley I really hope we don't need anything from. I would imagine a week before the cup final we will be playing to not get injured or suspended. So if they are down, that might help a bit and it be all a bit of a claret and blue friendly.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on April 20, 2015, 11:25:21 PM
I can see us getting something on Saturday.  There looks like a lot of strife going on in that Citeh dressing room.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 20, 2015, 11:28:39 PM
Can see it being a game where we take the lead but narrowly lose late or something. I would be very disappointed if it's the annual 4 goal loss up there.

It's unbeliveable how bad our record actually is since they moved to Eastlands, we were getting hammered up there when they were bringing in the likes of Trevor Sinclair on free transfers.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Ad@m on April 21, 2015, 11:02:00 PM
Where the f*ck is Senderos?

Didn't he play in a reserve game last week? Cissohko played in it as well I think.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on April 21, 2015, 11:03:58 PM
Where the f*ck is Senderos?

Didn't he play in a reserve game last week? Cissohko played in it as well I think.
Last night.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Ad@m on April 21, 2015, 11:07:00 PM
Where the f*ck is Senderos?

Didn't he play in a reserve game last week? Cissohko played in it as well I think.
Last night.

Crikey - today's obviously been a long day!
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: mike on April 23, 2015, 10:22:04 PM
Next season, I'm hoping not to be hoping Crystal Palace or Stoke will do us a favour.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: silhillvilla on April 23, 2015, 10:30:23 PM
Next season, I'm hoping not to be hoping Crystal Palace or Stoke will do us a favour.
Looking over our shoulders at burnley, Leicester , qpr ???
It's not right.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Des Little on April 23, 2015, 10:49:34 PM
Next season, I'm hoping not to be hoping Crystal Palace or Stoke will do us a favour.

...unless they're playing Chelsea/City/Arse
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Dazvillain on April 23, 2015, 11:17:14 PM
Where the f*ck is Senderos?

Didn't he play in a reserve game last week? Cissohko played in it as well I think.
Last night.
He's back in Saturdays squad
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 24, 2015, 12:21:59 AM
Newcastle not out of it yet.

Absolutely. I can't be bothered to do the maths but a look at their fixtures indicates that, if they carry on in the vein of form they're in, they'll be right in it.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on April 24, 2015, 12:33:13 AM

Newcastle play West Brom who are already essentially safe so you can guess how that game will go and then the free West Ham "at the beach" points.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: nodge on April 24, 2015, 07:42:26 AM
Got a feeling this will be another weekend where we have to panic a little bit again.  Can see QPR and Leicester winning mainly because West Ham don't seem to give a shit and Leicester are on a bit of a roll.  Hoping Hull and Sunderland get nothing but you never know the way this season's going.  Can't work out which is the best result for us in the Burnley game? Probably a draw.  Or we could just win our game and I won't care less about any of them.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: OzVilla on April 24, 2015, 07:52:01 AM
Me too, I've got a nasty feeling about this weekend, in the same way I felt very positive about the Spurzzz game and the Cup semi.

Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: mike on April 24, 2015, 07:19:04 PM
Next season, I'm hoping not to be hoping Crystal Palace or Stoke will do us a favour.

...unless they're playing Chelsea/City/Arse

Like your thinking.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: KRS on April 24, 2015, 08:20:08 PM
So other fixtures this weekend to be mindful of...

Burnley v Leicester
Newcastle v Swansea
QPR v West Ham
Stoke v Sunderland
WBA v Liverpool
Palace v Hull

...all those games kick off at 3pm so we'll know how much (or how little) damage has been done before we kick off at the Etihad.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Legion on April 24, 2015, 08:26:23 PM
Fingers crossed for:

Draw
Away win
Away win
Home win
Away win
Home win
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: nodge on April 24, 2015, 09:03:55 PM
Fingers crossed for:

Draw
Away win
Away win
Home win
Away win
Home win


240-1 Leeg, unlikely to be that good a day for us.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 24, 2015, 10:30:45 PM
Not concerned about QPR as after West Ham they have Man. City and Liverpool consecutively away so they'll still be well adrift.

Hopefully they'll be a response from Palace losing last week as they were in good form previously, Hull could claim a draw though. They also have Liverpool at home in midweek.

Sunderland will lose at Stoke, pretty confident on that one.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: KevinGage on April 24, 2015, 10:37:22 PM
Got a feeling this will be another weekend where we have to panic a little bit again.  Can see QPR and Leicester winning mainly because West Ham don't seem to give a shit and Leicester are on a bit of a roll.  Hoping Hull and Sunderland get nothing but you never know the way this season's going.  Can't work out which is the best result for us in the Burnley game? Probably a draw.  Or we could just win our game and I won't care less about any of them.

Can't see Leicester winning four on the bounce, but can see other sides around us closing the gap.

32 points at the back end of April should always be cause for concern.

I think we'll stay up. It would seem very cruel now if we did plummet, after the recent upturn in form.

A point tomorrow and I'd fancy us to get at least one win between now and the end of the season, and that should do us.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on April 24, 2015, 10:44:40 PM
Probably we will be back in it after the weekend, but  all we really need is a win and a draw to be most likely safe. Thats doable in our fixtures so I won't be panicking just yet.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: peter w on April 25, 2015, 07:24:42 AM
Yeah no cause for panic but we must beat Everton to make sure that we don't slip into the bottom 3 and just have enough of a gap to stay just far enough away.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Des Little on April 25, 2015, 08:55:32 AM
Has anyone considered the possibility that the shit teams will lose (Burnley QPR draw) and with a less games to play we may actually come out of the weekend in a better position even if we lose?
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: peter w on April 25, 2015, 09:04:30 AM
Yes, but we've had two brilliant (league) weekends out of something the past 3 played. Law of sod means that one of the set of games will go against us.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Des Little on April 25, 2015, 12:25:12 PM
Yes, but we've had two brilliant (league) weekends out of something the past 3 played. Law of sod means that one of the set of games will go against us.

Bloody hell it might rain today as well. We're getting the rub of the green right at the best time. Embrace it you miserable people!
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Clampy on April 25, 2015, 12:59:27 PM
So other fixtures this weekend to be mindful of...

Burnley v Leicester
Newcastle v Swansea
QPR v West Ham
Stoke v Sunderland
WBA v Liverpool
Palace v Hull

...all those games kick off at 3pm so we'll know how much (or how little) damage has been done before we kick off at the Etihad.

I can see QPR winning today.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 25, 2015, 04:36:25 PM
Yikes some worrying scores here.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: boboonthecorner on April 25, 2015, 04:52:53 PM
With QPR and Burnley losing it looks like its going to be between Us, Sunderland, Leicester and Hull. I think Newcastle are just about safe.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Matt Collins on April 25, 2015, 05:00:36 PM
Hulls win was a fucker. They could beat Liverpool so we need some points
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: David_Nab on April 25, 2015, 05:03:48 PM
Palace bunch of useless wankers
Beat city then lose to both WBA and Hull at home ...useless
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: exigo on April 25, 2015, 05:03:53 PM
Odds for relegation

QPR 1/6
Burnley 1/5
Sunderland 4/5
Hull 5/4
Leicester 3/1
Villa 7/1
Newcastle 20/1

Looks about right. If Hull, Leicester and Sunderland pick up more points than us before the end of the season, I'd be amazed.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: silhillvilla on April 25, 2015, 05:04:55 PM
Well I don't think 33 points is enough anymore
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: aj2k77 on April 25, 2015, 05:12:00 PM
Everton
West Ham
Burnley

All at home, if the bottom teams had a run in like that we'd be shitting it. There's 4pts minimum there for us I'm sure of it. Wouldn't be amazed to be unbeaten.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Mister E on April 25, 2015, 05:12:24 PM
I've just done a reckoner based on the remaining fixtures, assuming we lose today and I reckon it's Blunderland. Their home record is awful and their trending is awful; their fixture list ain't great either.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: OCD on April 25, 2015, 05:15:54 PM
Well I don't think 33 points is enough anymore

You thought it was enough before?
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: OCD on April 25, 2015, 05:16:51 PM
The other 3 will have a game in hand over us after tonight so we could we do with something from this if we could.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Jon Crofts on April 25, 2015, 05:19:31 PM
I'd still rather have points on the board thanks.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: OCD on April 25, 2015, 05:24:08 PM
Of course but if we're saying it's 1 from 4 for the last spot then it's got to be taken into account. Earlier in the season I would say that teams are down there for a reason. At this stage though everybody's fighting for their lives and the average point accumulation is probably higher in the run-in than it was earlier in the season. Leicester being an example of that.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Tony Erdington on April 25, 2015, 05:28:44 PM
BURNLEY QPR are down foe me, hull have a mountain, sunderland have forgotten how to win,

and I think we will finish above Newcastle at least, UTV
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 25, 2015, 07:32:12 PM
13   West Brom  34   -14   37
14   Newcastle    34   -21   35
15   Aston Villa   34   -22   32
16   Hull              33   -14   31
17   Leicester      33   -16   31
18   Sunderland  33   -23   30
19   QPR             34   -21   27
20   Burnley        34   -26   26

Remaining fixtures

West Brom
Man Utd v West Brom
Newcastle v West Brom
West Brom v Chelsea
Arsenal v West Brom

Newcastle
Leicester v Newcastle
Newcastle v West Brom
QPR v Newcastle
Newcastle v West Ham

Sunderland
Sunderland v Southampton
Everton v Sunderland
Sunderland v Leicester
Arsenal v Sunderland
Chelsea v Sunderland

Hull
Hull v Arsenal
Hull v Burnley
Tottenham v Hull
Hull v Man Utd

Aston Villa
Aston Villa v Everton
Aston Villa v West Ham
Southampton v Aston Villa
Aston Villa v Burnley

Burnley
West Ham v Burnley
Hull v Burnley
Burnley v Stoke
Aston Villa v Burnley

QPR
Liverpool v QPR
Man City v QPR
QPR v Newcastle
Leicester v QPR

Leicester
Leicester v Chelsea
Leicester v Newcastle
Leicester v Southampton
Sunderland v Leicester
Leicester v QPR
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 25, 2015, 07:38:36 PM
Newcastle, 7 straight defeats must be starting to sweat.
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Post by: ozzjim on April 25, 2015, 08:11:59 PM
Albion now they are safe will bend over royally for Newcastle in a joint afternoon of villa hate.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on April 25, 2015, 08:12:21 PM
I reckon Leicester will do them next week also. They are in a world of trouble.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on April 25, 2015, 08:37:31 PM
Way I see it we need 4 points and they will come from West Ham and an already relegated Burnley at home. I think Everton next week will be a draw aswell and we'll finish 37 points this season.

The other results today were disappointing but if we can get 4-5 more points this season than I don't see Sunderland picking up another 6-7 points with what they have left.
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Post by: IFWaters on April 25, 2015, 08:38:46 PM
Two wins and 38 points would mean that ....

Burnley have to win all 4 ..... v v unlikely to be level with us
QPR have to win all 4 to finish ahead of us, only 10 points from 12 and they would be below us

So I think that definitely means we would be above those 2 ....

And would mean that Sunderland would need 8 points from 15 against Southampton (h), Everton (a), Leicester (h) , Arsenal (a) & Chelsea (a) .... and with their goalscoring record - 4 in the last 6 games, I think thats really unlikely.

There it is then, all boiled down, TWO WINS
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Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 25, 2015, 08:58:50 PM
Current form

http://www.premierleague.com/en-gb/matchday/form-guide.html
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Post by: SoccerHQ on April 25, 2015, 09:13:31 PM
I'd just worry about Sunderland now, all the other teams seem to get a win just when they're in major trouble by playing Palace.

Sunderland have Leicester and Southampton at home and Everton, Arsenal and Chelsea away.

To me there's massive pressure on them to win their two home games which judging by them losing 4-0 to us and 4-1 to Palace I don't think they're capable of.

And bare in mind as it stands now they need to gain 3 more points than us to finish above us, if we win next week they'll need 6 more points this season and so on.

Burnley and QPR are already down for me, Sunderland will be the third one.
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Post by: Des Little on April 25, 2015, 09:38:27 PM
Sunderland are done for
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Post by: silhillvilla on April 25, 2015, 10:42:59 PM
Leicester are on their best top flight run since 1966.
That really has put the cat amongst the pigeons and kept us involved.
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Post by: Dazvillain on April 25, 2015, 10:47:43 PM
Sunderland are done for
I agree, I think the following will pick up like this WBA -1, avfc- 3, s'land-2, hull-3, qpr-3, burnley-4, Leicester-7 and Newcastle -4..... Table therefore will be ;

Newcastle- 39
Leicester- 38
WBA - 38
Hull - 35
Avfc - 35
Sunderland - 32
Burnley - 30
Qpr - 30
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Post by: Ads on April 25, 2015, 10:54:30 PM
I'd fancy four points from next two games and safety post West Ham.
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Post by: myf on April 25, 2015, 10:58:46 PM
1.1 points per game in prem under sherwood. I'd be surprised if we win next two given our home form. 4 points would be great and we'll prob beat Southampton as we seem better away
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Post by: Dave on April 25, 2015, 11:11:08 PM
Sunderland are done for
I agree, I think the following will pick up like this WBA -1, avfc- 3, s'land-2, hull-3, qpr-3, burnley-4, Leicester-7 and Newcastle -4..... Table therefore will be ;

Newcastle- 39
Leicester- 38
WBA - 38
Hull - 35
Avfc - 35
Sunderland - 32
Burnley - 30
Qpr - 30
You reckon we're going to lose (not just fail to beat, but lose) to three of Everton, Southampton, West Ham and Burnley?

Wow.
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Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 25, 2015, 11:12:13 PM
Sunderland are done for
I agree, I think the following will pick up like this WBA -1, avfc- 3, s'land-2, hull-3, qpr-3, burnley-4, Leicester-7 and Newcastle -4..... Table therefore will be ;

Newcastle- 39
Leicester- 38
WBA - 38
Hull - 35
Avfc - 35
Sunderland - 32
Burnley - 30
Qpr - 30
You reckon we're going to lose (not just fail to beat, but lose) to three of Everton, Southampton, West Ham and Burnley?

Wow.

Or he may think we'll lose 1 and draw 3.
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Post by: silhillvilla on April 25, 2015, 11:14:35 PM
We really need villa park rocking next Saturday. We just can't afford another flat performance and atmosphere similar to the Swansea home game.
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Post by: Dave on April 25, 2015, 11:15:23 PM
Sunderland are done for
I agree, I think the following will pick up like this WBA -1, avfc- 3, s'land-2, hull-3, qpr-3, burnley-4, Leicester-7 and Newcastle -4..... Table therefore will be ;

Newcastle- 39
Leicester- 38
WBA - 38
Hull - 35
Avfc - 35
Sunderland - 32
Burnley - 30
Qpr - 30
You reckon we're going to lose (not just fail to beat, but lose) to three of Everton, Southampton, West Ham and Burnley?

Wow.

Or he may think we'll lose 1 and draw 3.
*nods*

Also true.
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Post by: myf on April 25, 2015, 11:23:18 PM
We really need villa park rocking next Saturday. We just can't afford another flat performance and atmosphere similar to the Swansea home game.

Totally agree. Beat Everton and we'll probably finish with over 40 points. Lose and we'll prob get 35/36 which will be touch and go. It's sad that we're heading for lowest points total after our recent performances
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Post by: supertom on April 25, 2015, 11:25:21 PM
To be honest I think we'll be well clear by the end given our form. Just cut out the silly errors and we can beat anyone in the remaining games. I can see us finishing on 39-42 points.
Everton aren't great. West Ham have been poor. Southampton have run out of steam somewhat and we should beat Burnley.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on April 26, 2015, 12:06:46 AM
Some team is taking a beating pretty soon and it will see us over the line. I'm confident we'll be safe by Burnley.
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Post by: LTA on April 26, 2015, 12:27:51 AM
We really need villa park rocking next Saturday. We just can't afford another flat performance and atmosphere similar to the Swansea home game.

We have improved under Sherwood no doubt, but I still cant help feeling this is the year we drop.
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Post by: Mister E on April 26, 2015, 12:32:08 AM
I did a quick reckoning of the final games for 6 relegation contenders and came out with Blunderland as the third relegation club. Reasoning: their home form is gash and their confidence is shot; Dicky has not brought the dead cat bounce that might have been expected.
Having said that, it's not inconceivable that the Barcodes will drop.
We will get 5-6 more points - than we can look forward with some confidence.
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Post by: silhillvilla on April 26, 2015, 12:55:33 AM
We really need villa park rocking next Saturday. We just can't afford another flat performance and atmosphere similar to the Swansea home game.

We have improved under Sherwood no doubt, but I still cant help feeling this is the year we drop.
Lose to Everton and it's time to really panic.
Hopefully it won't come to that. We do seem far less comfortable at villa park though.
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Post by: ozzjim on April 26, 2015, 01:02:55 AM
I think a draw with Everton is a good result. They have picked up no end and Martinez usually wins at Villa park.
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Post by: silhillvilla on April 26, 2015, 01:11:02 AM
Draw would be ok as long as we beat West Ham, or vice versa. I can see us winning at St Mary's and drawing vs Burnley as players have an eye on the final. 40 points I hope.
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Post by: ozzjim on April 26, 2015, 01:30:00 AM
Agree on Burnley. With the cup final a week later it worries me we could need results from it.
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Post by: Mister E on April 26, 2015, 01:31:47 AM
Agree on Burnley. With the cup final a week later it worries me we could need results from it.
Get it done next weekend and we can look to points against Wetspam and Sourhampton ... Perhaps!
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Post by: kippaxvilla2 on April 26, 2015, 01:42:00 AM
I actually feel sorry for sherwood.  He's got ten points since he arrived but the performances seem much better.  It just shows how horribly shite and awful and any other adjective you can throw in we were under that Paul bloke before.  Shocking that we waited so long to flip the coin.
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Post by: OzVilla on April 26, 2015, 02:41:44 AM
Sherwood's been a little unlucky too as we should have got at least something out of the Stoke, Newcastle, Swansea and Citeh games.  Maybe not wins but on the balance of play in the games we certainly didn't deserve to lose all 4.  It stupid individual late errors that's done for us.

Coming home to roost though now. Just a couple more points would make all the difference.
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Post by: Matt Collins on April 26, 2015, 06:43:26 AM
If we get four points from our next two home games I'm sure we'll be fine

What's our home form though? One of the worst in the league of late:

18   Aston Villa   L L L W L D   

Admittedly that's unrepresentative. Two last minute defeats and a very good performance v QPR. But I'm still very nervous about our defending. We're conceding so many awful goals and I'm not sure there's enough focus on this in training.

Have a feeling Everton will beat us but we'll then beat West Ham.
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Post by: john2710 on April 26, 2015, 07:37:08 AM
We need to get Hutton & Cissohko back into the team. We simply must defend better, otherwise all the other good work is undone.

We need 4 points to be safe, I think, but even that might not be enough. Everton won't bend over & they are a big physical side.

Sunderland look like the one to go with QPR & Burnley, but we said that last season & they got a few lucky results.
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Post by: Matt Collins on April 26, 2015, 07:44:01 AM
What's the latest on Hutton? The updates seem to have stopped

I agree about him and cissokho. It made a big difference having four proper defenders at the start of the season

If we let in silly goals in the next couple of home games you can see both being very difficult to get back into. Everton keep the ball and West Ham are very organised. Neither concede many

I'd sacrifice overlapping full backs for more solidity in those games but I'm not sure sherwood sees it that way
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Post by: RossLeach on April 26, 2015, 08:59:43 AM
After United, Spurs, City away we all thought we'd be in the bottom 3 and have to launch a comeback from there.

We're not.

Although those around us do seem to have a game on us, we've got three winnable home games though.
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Post by: walsall villain on April 26, 2015, 09:15:19 AM
Nearly all of the league games under Sherwood have been close so I think we can expect the last four to be the same. This very positive approach will see us home I think, but not before some scary moments along the way. Score draw against Everton and a late late winner for us against West Ham I reckon.
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Post by: Matt Collins on April 26, 2015, 09:22:06 AM
Nearly all of the league games under Sherwood have been close so I think we can expect the last four to be the same. This very positive approach will see us home I think, but not before some scary moments along the way. Score draw against Everton and a late late winner for us against West Ham I reckon.

That's how I see it. I have been consistently wrong though.
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Post by: Des Little on April 26, 2015, 09:25:37 AM
The way we are playing, I think two home wins isn't beyond comprehension.
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Post by: Godfrey Brian on April 26, 2015, 09:27:12 AM
Everton will be a draw as they are pretty well organised.We'll get the points we need at Southampton as they are a more open side which will suit our approach away. I don'the see Hull or Sunderland going on any consistent run now and QPR are faltering along with Burnley.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on April 26, 2015, 09:45:12 AM
It's so frustrating that we're very much still under threat, because we're a good side now. It's important we get something against Everton and fucking Leicester lose a game.
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Post by: mrastonvilla on April 26, 2015, 09:46:36 AM
Except when they play Sunderland!
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Post by: PaulWinch again on April 26, 2015, 09:47:11 AM
True!
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Post by: Matt Collins on April 26, 2015, 10:14:01 AM
I think QPR and Burnley are almost done

The hull result yday was a right fucker. I can see them doing something against Liverpool and burnley at home. Maybe four more points.

So I think we'll be fine. But I'd rather not have to wait until the Burnley game to be safe.

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Post by: CT on April 26, 2015, 10:39:26 AM
Thinking back to the defeat at Hull, if someone that night offered me a few points grace, with home games against Everton, W Ham and Burnley I'd have bitten their hand off.

We're playing in a style that's giving us a chance and I'm sure we can get four points from Everton and W Ham.

The more I see what this group of players are capable of, the more I hate Paul Lambert.
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Post by: silhillvilla on April 26, 2015, 10:42:57 AM
Bottom line is we have been sucked right back into the mire. The blame for this lands squarely at the feet of the incompetent Paul Lambert.
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Post by: OzVilla on April 26, 2015, 10:49:18 AM
And he fact that Leicester just won 4 on the bounce. I didn't see that coming a month ago.
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Post by: Big Dick Edwards on April 26, 2015, 11:26:37 AM
Five more points will see us safe. We can't ask for any more than to have three home games out of our last four against clubs with nothing to play for (Burnley will be relegated by the time we play them).
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Post by: Ads on April 26, 2015, 12:07:19 PM
We are easily the best side down there and will be safe before the final day.

Hull's game in hand is Liverpool at home, Leicester's is Chelsea on Wednesday (who may be able to win the title) and Sunderland's is away at Arsenal. That QPR, Leicester, Sunderland and Hull all play each other helps too.

We're a lot closer tan we ought to be and that is down to Lambert effectively writing off January and February for us.
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Post by: Des Little on April 26, 2015, 12:21:12 PM
We'll be safe before we go to Southampton.
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Post by: Monty on April 26, 2015, 12:22:26 PM
We are easily the best side down there and will be safe before the final day.

Hull's game in hand is Liverpool at home, Leicester's is Chelsea on Wednesday (who may be able to win the title) and Sunderland's is away at Arsenal. That QPR, Leicester, Sunderland and Hull all play each other helps too.

We're a lot closer tan we ought to be and that is down to Lambert effectively writing off January and February for us.

Reasons to hope for an Arsenal win today, then, as it'll keep both them and Chelsea alert and motivated for their matches.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on April 26, 2015, 01:00:21 PM
If we go down now with 3 of our last 4 games at VP against mediocre opponents then we only have ourselves to blame. We certainly complain at how the fixture computer has treated us given our predicament and in contrast to the run ins of Sunderland and Hull.
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Post by: nick harper on April 26, 2015, 01:22:47 PM
We have the points expected in April given the fixture list, albeit the draw with QPR was offset by the result against Spurs. If Leicester hadn't had such a remarkable run of results then we'd be pretty much safe now - but as always, teams pick up unexpected results, even against the top sides, as Sunderland did last year.

37 points should be enough but I'd actually be more confident if 3 of the last 4 were away. We still seem very fragile at home - three league wins all season is pretty shocking.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on April 26, 2015, 01:39:22 PM
I think with our new attacking intent we're actually the same whenever we play. Yes the expectation is more at VP but we need to change our fear of playing at home and make it a strength. Playing with a will to win at home will always get the fans support and the Villa Park crowd in full voice is a proper 12th man.
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Post by: aj2k77 on April 26, 2015, 02:01:01 PM
If we aren't ravaged by injuries then West Ham and Burnley are going to get absolutely twatted by a marauding forward line playing with the shackles off and enjoying their work. There's been so many positives to the last month that I genuinely can't wait for next season to begin, wipe the slate clean of these wasted 5 years and get back to building an entertaining team, it's the least the long suffering paying punters deserve down Villa park, a bit of excitement.
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Post by: john e on April 26, 2015, 02:13:24 PM
 The team we play next are currently beating man Utd 2-0

Let's hope they use up all their energy and passion trying to beat the mancs
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Post by: Matt Collins on April 26, 2015, 02:20:35 PM
Everton are in very good form

I wouldn't be upset with a draw as long as other sides aren't pulling off shock wins right left and centre
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Post by: Toronto Villa on April 26, 2015, 02:22:45 PM
The team we play next are currently beating man Utd 2-0

Let's hope they use up all their energy and passion trying to beat the mancs

despite their very average season they've actually been solid at home only losing three times. Away they've lost 9 times now, so a different proposition. I'm sticking by the theory of desperation and we should have that in abundance. And while under Lambert that would mean constant long ball punts to Benteke at least we are scoring in a number of different ways. My concern naturally is that if are not able to strike early do nerves set in and we freeze up, or are we so attacking do we leave ourselves wide open at the back? We need a measured approach but Everton despite today will be very beatable.
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Post by: VillaAlways on April 26, 2015, 02:26:47 PM
From Sherwoods post interview I think they will be completely focussing on the defence in the run up to this game .

I would be happy with a draw as we will beat West Ham and Burnley
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Post by: Toronto Villa on April 26, 2015, 02:31:29 PM
I didn't get that impression at all. My take from that is that we have to cut out the stupid errors that are costing us goals. But I don't see him at all changing his attacking intent and the desire to dominate possession and create chances.
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Post by: john2710 on April 26, 2015, 02:48:07 PM
I can see Gabby, Cissokho & Hutton (if available) back in the team, Everton are a strong physical team & it won't be a game for lightweights. It goes without saying we need the points ASAP, because the longer it goes the more nervous we'll all become & the less the margin for error.
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Post by: VillaAlways on April 26, 2015, 02:48:45 PM
I didn't get that impression at all. My take from that is that we have to cut out the stupid errors that are costing us goals. But I don't see him at all changing his attacking intent and the desire to dominate possession and create chances.
Yes, sorry that's what I meant. I don't for one minute think he's going to suddenly turn into Pulis I think he'd rather we went down fighting than do that.
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Post by: Diablo on April 26, 2015, 03:54:17 PM
Everton are in very good form

I wouldn't be upset with a draw as long as other sides aren't pulling off shock wins right left and centre

Just seen that they've had 5 wins out of their last 6 games??! Sheeeeeet!! Just what we need.
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Post by: KRS on April 26, 2015, 03:57:24 PM
Everton are in very good form

I wouldn't be upset with a draw as long as other sides aren't pulling off shock wins right left and centre

Just seen that they've had 5 wins out of their last 6 games??! Sheeeeeet!! Just what we need.
The good news about their form (WWWDWW) is that they are due a loss...looks like perfect timing to me! ;)
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 26, 2015, 04:17:10 PM
Everton are in very good form

I wouldn't be upset with a draw as long as other sides aren't pulling off shock wins right left and centre

Just seen that they've had 5 wins out of their last 6 games??! Sheeeeeet!! Just what we need.

But unless you're towards the top of the table those runs don't tend to last.
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Post by: Matt Collins on April 26, 2015, 04:31:10 PM
The more I think about it the more I'd take a draw and then go all out to beat West Ham. Though that would mean a lot of pressure on that game

I still think burnley will ultimately be our safety valve I just wish we had them next up instead
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Post by: ez on April 26, 2015, 05:04:34 PM
I've been thinking. If Darren Bent's loan spell at Derby ends after their last game, which could be the play off final on 25th May, is he available to us for the cup final?
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Post by: CJ on April 26, 2015, 05:12:44 PM
I've been thinking. If Darren Bent's loan spell at Derby ends after their last game, which could be the play off final on 25th May, is he available to us for the cup final?
Think he played for Derby in the Cup so cup-tied.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on April 26, 2015, 05:14:35 PM
Timely reminder today that Everton will be a seriously tough game.
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Post by: ez on April 26, 2015, 05:19:41 PM
I've been thinking. If Darren Bent's loan spell at Derby ends after their last game, which could be the play off final on 25th May, is he available to us for the cup final?
Think he played for Derby in the Cup so cup-tied.

If Derby don't make the play offs their season ends on 2nd May and we'd still have 3 league games left after that.
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Post by: dave.woodhall on April 26, 2015, 05:23:52 PM
I've been thinking. If Darren Bent's loan spell at Derby ends after their last game, which could be the play off final on 25th May, is he available to us for the cup final?
Think he played for Derby in the Cup so cup-tied.

If Derby don't make the play offs their season ends on 2nd May and we'd still have 3 league games left after that.

And contracts end at the end of June.
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Post by: ez on April 26, 2015, 05:31:32 PM
I've been thinking. If Darren Bent's loan spell at Derby ends after their last game, which could be the play off final on 25th May, is he available to us for the cup final?
Think he played for Derby in the Cup so cup-tied.

If Derby don't make the play offs their season ends on 2nd May and we'd still have 3 league games left after that.

And contracts end at the end of June.

Righto.
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on April 26, 2015, 06:31:24 PM
After the Swansea game I thought 32/33 points would be enough. It still could be but I didn't see a team as bad as Leicester going on their best run in fifty years.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on April 26, 2015, 06:57:06 PM
I don't think 33 will be enough, Leicester's run has rallied a couple of the other teams as well.
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Post by: ozzjim on April 26, 2015, 07:24:33 PM
I think 35 will still be safe, just. Everton next week looks like a really difficult game. Their record at our place is pretty good last few years too, which is a bit daunting. They have hit a brilliant run right at the wrong time for us.
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Post by: OCD on April 26, 2015, 07:31:16 PM
We always seem to be catching teams at the wrong times.
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Post by: myf on April 26, 2015, 07:35:45 PM
I did a predictor today and had us on 35 with Sunderland on 34 and taking last spot. Qpr and burnley on 30.
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Post by: Chris Smith on April 26, 2015, 07:36:17 PM
I don't think 33 will be enough, Leicester's run has rallied a couple of the other teams as well.

I imagine from the perspective of other teams in the bottom six us beating Spurs and Liverpool and deserving to beat Man City will fall into a similar category. My only concern is the daft goals we are conceding. A couple of good performances from the back 4 and we will be fine.
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Post by: OCD on April 26, 2015, 07:41:35 PM
I did a predictor today and had us on 35 with Sunderland on 34 and taking last spot. Qpr and burnley on 30.

That's a little too close for comfort. I hope we can pick up more than 3 points between now and the end of the season.
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Post by: VillaAlways on April 26, 2015, 07:43:11 PM
I did a predictor today and had us on 35 with Sunderland on 34 and taking last spot. Qpr and burnley on 30.
How did you only have us picking up 3 points? West Ham , Burnley???
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Post by: Ron Manager on April 26, 2015, 07:44:32 PM
We need to play a back four of Okore (right back) Senderos, Vlaar and Cissokho. They should be solid enough.
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Post by: silhillvilla on April 26, 2015, 07:54:47 PM
Leicesters next home game is home to Newcastle. Football being football , Newcastle will probably halt the Foxes charge.
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Post by: walsall villain on April 26, 2015, 07:58:35 PM
Leicesters next home game is home to Newcastle. Football being football , Newcastle will probably halt the Foxes charge.
That's what I predict too. Newcastle haven't won in ages, Leicester on incredible run, 0-1 I reckon
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Post by: silhillvilla on April 26, 2015, 08:04:07 PM
Leicesters next home game is home to Newcastle. Football being football , Newcastle will probably halt the Foxes charge.
That's what I predict too. Newcastle haven't won in ages, Leicester on incredible run, 0-1 I reckon
Agree. Leicester got very very lucky at burnley I thought.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Steve kirk on April 26, 2015, 08:26:01 PM
I like quite a few on here thought with April being so tough if we were out of the bottom 3 after the Man City game that would give us a great chance of stopping up, I had hoped for a bigger gap but as we are playing so much better we should get over the line, it seems destined to go to the last day, I'm hoping my blood pressure medication will get me through that day.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: myf on April 26, 2015, 09:17:48 PM
I did a predictor today and had us on 35 with Sunderland on 34 and taking last spot. Qpr and burnley on 30.
How did you only have us picking up 3 points? West Ham , Burnley???

I was being pessimistic. I had three draws with a defeat to everton
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Dazvillain on April 26, 2015, 09:52:26 PM
Sunderland are done for
I agree, I think the following will pick up like this WBA -1, avfc- 3, s'land-2, hull-3, qpr-3, burnley-4, Leicester-7 and Newcastle -4..... Table therefore will be ;

Newcastle- 39
Leicester- 38
WBA - 38
Hull - 35
Avfc - 35
Sunderland - 32
Burnley - 30
Qpr - 30
You reckon we're going to lose (not just fail to beat, but lose) to three of Everton, Southampton, West Ham and Burnley?

Wow.

DAVE, I don't think we'll pick up at saints and will get 3 draws at home
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Dazvillain on April 26, 2015, 09:54:42 PM
Sunderland are done for
I agree, I think the following will pick up like this WBA -1, avfc- 3, s'land-2, hull-3, qpr-3, burnley-4, Leicester-7 and Newcastle -4..... Table therefore will be ;

Newcastle- 39
Leicester- 38
WBA - 38
Hull - 35
Avfc - 35
Sunderland - 32
Burnley - 30
Qpr - 30
You reckon we're going to lose (not just fail to beat, but lose) to three of Everton, Southampton, West Ham and Burnley?

Wow.

Or he may think we'll lose 1 and draw 3.
*nods*

Also true.

Apologies, hadn't seen ur later post !
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: aj2k77 on April 26, 2015, 09:56:13 PM
I think we will hammer Burnley, a jittery win against West Ham (or are they Villa?) with a late long ball barrage to withstand, a draw or narrow defeat against Everton and a comfortable loss against Southampton by 2 goals.

You heard it here first!
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 26, 2015, 09:56:14 PM
we won at Southampton with Paul Lambeaten in charge. We can win there with Sherwood. I reckon a point there, a win against Everton, a draw against West Ham and a win vs Burnley.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: silhillvilla on April 26, 2015, 09:59:26 PM
Out of our 4 remaining games, I'm mostly confident about Saints away.
Games at villa park are nervous.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 26, 2015, 10:00:31 PM
Worth mentioning that Everton play Sunderland at home after us so not too bothered they're in good form. We are aswell.

Part of me thinks Sunderland won't win another game this season looking at their fixture list, I think 3 draws maybe for them at best although of course you can never be certain at this stage.

That said if we can't get 4 points from Burnley and West Ham home games we deserve to go no question especially as Sunderland will be finishing the season at Arsenal and Chelsea.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Billy Walker on April 26, 2015, 10:07:31 PM
I had a an uneasy feeling about the Everton game all day today until they came up with that 3-0 v man utd.  That result could work in our favour as now there is no danger of us underestimating them or putting pressure on ourselves thinking three easy points are up for grabs.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Billy Walker on April 26, 2015, 10:09:05 PM
Out of our 4 remaining games, I'm mostly confident about Saints away.
Games at villa park are nervous.

They can be nervous  but fans can help create a positive vibe.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: eric woolban woolban on April 26, 2015, 10:10:59 PM
No one gave Sunderland hope last year and they managed a draw against Man City and wins against Chelsea and United in their last three away games.

I'm getting nervous reading this thread!
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: KRS on April 26, 2015, 10:39:04 PM
Everton (H)
West Ham (H)
Southampton (A)
Burnley (H)

...4 very winnable fixtures under TS in our current form and we could end up on 44 points. Being more realistic, I see no reason why we shouldn't get at least 6 points from the remaining fixtures, assuring Premier League survival and setting us up nicely for our FA Cup Final at Wembley! :)

...and I'd rather we didn't win all our remaining 4 games otherwise we'd probably be due a loss when it comes to the FA Cup Final.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Dave on April 26, 2015, 11:04:26 PM
Out of our 4 remaining games, I'm mostly confident about Saints away.
The one that a couple of weeks ago you said we might as well write off and not even bother turning up for?
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: ozzjim on April 26, 2015, 11:06:47 PM
LWDW for me from those 4, sitting happily on 39 come the final whistle on the last day.

I think Leicester will beat Newcastle. Newcastle have been truly awful, and we deserved a result there it just didn't fall for us. In fact, I would say all of our defeats apart from United away have been pretty harsh since Sherwood arrived.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Steve67 on April 26, 2015, 11:19:02 PM
I'd be happy with a point against Everton. But I think we'll beat West Ham and Burnley. Potentially draw with Southampton.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: eamonn on April 26, 2015, 11:44:40 PM
Its odd that Leicester have four home games left and only one away. Hull too I think.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 26, 2015, 11:46:58 PM
Its odd that Leicester have four home games left and only one away. Hull too I think.

The game in hand they both have is what has changed it. And we have 3 at home out of 4.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: OCD on April 26, 2015, 11:48:27 PM
It's good that the cup final is back to being after the league season has ended. Hopefully we'll have survived and we can go and enjoy the day. We'll be the underdogs so we should be able to relax and just go for it. It would be a fantastic way to end to a season to survive, have the takeover confirmed and then win the cup. The new owners would then have to finance a squad that can handle the European games.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Ads on April 27, 2015, 06:51:55 AM
If Leicester do beat Newcastle, then on Saturday they could be just a point behind them, with us level with them.

That said, I think Chelsea will take the wind out of their sails and it wouldn't surprise me if Newcastle got something. 7 defeats on the spin is a rare thing.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Matt Collins on April 27, 2015, 06:56:38 AM
It would be a big surprise if Leicester don't beat Newcastle but stranger things have happened

I'm a bit worried hull will beat Liverpool

I'm very worried about everton's form, although the only side they've beaten away from home recently is QPR. But I can just see us conceding at least one stupid goal
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Mister E on April 27, 2015, 07:10:05 AM
Blunderland is the team we need to hope keep losing - their home form is abject and the Advocaat bounce hasn't happened.
Barcodes are the other team trending into relegation.

Having said that, we still need to click up some more points, clearly.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Matt Collins on April 27, 2015, 07:22:18 AM
With all the talk of hull and west brom's run in, I hadn't realised how bad sunderland's is. They have arsenal and Chelsea in the final two. Upsets can happen, but if we're ahead of Sunderland w two games to go you'd have to fancy our chances.

To get ahead of us before then, Sunderland will need to get two Pts more than us from Southampton and Leicester at home, and Everton away, while we play Everton and West Ham. Leicester looks the most winnable but even that has obvious benefits

they're in real trouble.

But let's not leave it to the final day

Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: OzVilla on April 27, 2015, 07:30:27 AM
I'm still very worried full stop.

I've just go this horrible feeling that these stupid late lapses we keep having Stoke, Man City, Swansea will really come back to hurt us.

I'd love to see the Barcodes go down though! Wonder who'd get the honour of their sanctimonious final day fury this time around.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Damo70 on April 27, 2015, 07:51:35 AM
It would be a big surprise if Leicester don't beat Newcastle but stranger things have happened

I'm a bit worried hull will beat Liverpool

I'm very worried about everton's form, although the only side they've beaten away from home recently is QPR. But I can just see us conceding at least one stupid goal


I'm not sure about Leicester v Newcastle. Law of averages suggests that Leicester won't keep winning and Newcastle won't keep losing. Leicester could also suffer a confidence denting defeat by Chelsea this midweek if Chelsea score a few.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: silhillvilla on April 27, 2015, 07:52:14 AM
4 Cup Finals left, then a game in North London.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Des Little on April 27, 2015, 11:15:43 AM
So pissed off we lost that game at Newcastle. 
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 27, 2015, 01:49:47 PM
If we don't get a result this weekend I'll be pretty worried.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Clampy on April 27, 2015, 01:50:59 PM
Saturday is going to be a tough game. I can see us beating both West Ham and Burnley though, which hopefully will be enough.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: mrastonvilla on April 27, 2015, 01:53:19 PM
Beating West Ham and Burnley will probably be enough. I'm hoping we can get it done prior to the last game of the season though!
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Billy Walker on April 27, 2015, 02:01:07 PM
Saturday is going to be a tough game. I can see us beating both West Ham and Burnley though, which hopefully will be enough.

Is it too early to start the Everton match thread?  This is the match I would target for three big points - and winning this would then give us a kind of cushion going into the remaining two home games.  If we treat this game like a big one-off cup fixture, with the target of reaching 35 points by the end of the evening we can push the team over the line.  Let's do 'em.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on April 27, 2015, 02:19:35 PM
With all the talk of hull and west brom's run in, I hadn't realised how bad sunderland's is. They have arsenal and Chelsea in the final two. Upsets can happen, but if we're ahead of Sunderland w two games to go you'd have to fancy our chances.

To get ahead of us before then, Sunderland will need to get two Pts more than us from Southampton and Leicester at home, and Everton away, while we play Everton and West Ham. Leicester looks the most winnable but even that has obvious benefits

they're in real trouble.

But let's not leave it to the final day



Arsenal will be preparing for the Final, and Chelsea will have wrapped up the League by then, so may be on the beach.

Basically, we just have to make sure we do the business and get the 5-6 points we probably need.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: silhillvilla on April 27, 2015, 03:27:59 PM
I can only see a draw v Everton if I'm being logical.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 27, 2015, 03:29:58 PM
I can only see a draw v Everton if I'm being logical.

I see the happy pills have kicked in :)
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: silhillvilla on April 27, 2015, 03:31:31 PM
I can only see a draw v Everton if I'm being logical.

I see the happy pills have kicked in :)
The weekend was a salutary reminder of where we are as a club and where they are. Don't think we are solid enough to win, or crap enough to lose, I'm going 1-1.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 27, 2015, 03:39:08 PM
Where we are as a club is that we just beat Spurs at their place, Liverpool at Wembley, and took the champions of England to the 89th minute before they beat us having been the first team in 6 years to dominate possession against them at their ground. I don't know if that translates to beating Everton this weekend but for me it translates to us staying up and in the end relatively comfortably.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: silhillvilla on April 27, 2015, 03:41:57 PM
Where we are as a club is that we just beat Spurs at their place, Liverpool at Wembley, and took the champions of England to the 89th minute before they beat us having been the first team in 6 years to dominate possession against them at their ground. I don't know if that translates to beating Everton this weekend but for me it translates to us staying up and in the end relatively comfortably.
I think the relatively comfortably argument is out the window.
Since mid September it's been uncomfortable and torturous with the odd flashes of brilliance .
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 27, 2015, 03:49:07 PM
If by the end it is a 6 or 7 point gap which it could be if we look after our business vs the games the others have remaining, that would represent relatively comfortable. If be surprised if the gap is only 1 or 2 points in the end.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Matt Collins on April 27, 2015, 04:11:45 PM
Where we are as a club is that we just beat Spurs at their place, Liverpool at Wembley, and took the champions of England to the 89th minute before they beat us having been the first team in 6 years to dominate possession against them at their ground. I don't know if that translates to beating Everton this weekend but for me it translates to us staying up and in the end relatively comfortably.

If we were two Pts off relegation w 10 games to go I'd agree

But this could turn on a couple of moments and our speight of clangers is what is making me nervous
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on April 27, 2015, 04:36:23 PM
Where we are as a club is that we just beat Spurs at their place, Liverpool at Wembley, and took the champions of England to the 89th minute before they beat us having been the first team in 6 years to dominate possession against them at their ground. I don't know if that translates to beating Everton this weekend but for me it translates to us staying up and in the end relatively comfortably.

If we were two Pts off relegation w 10 games to go I'd agree

But this could turn on a couple of moments and our speight of clangers is what is making me nervous

We were in the bottom three with ten games to go. I did all my worrying then.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Meanwood Villa on April 27, 2015, 07:13:49 PM
We should be aiming to remain unbeaten for the rest of the season, 8-10 points. No reason why we can't.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Rudy65 on April 27, 2015, 07:49:05 PM
I can only see a draw v Everton if I'm being logical.

I see the happy pills have kicked in :)
The weekend was a salutary reminder of where we are as a club and where they are. Don't think we are solid enough to win, or crap enough to lose, I'm going 1-1.

I think the lesson learned from the weekend is that we cant defend and they can ( or at least on Sunday). Other than that I dont think there is much between the sides and home advantage for us could be enough
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Des Little on April 27, 2015, 08:46:02 PM
We should be aiming to remain unbeaten for the rest of the season, 8-10 points. No reason why we can't.

You'll do for me
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Matt Collins on April 27, 2015, 09:04:19 PM
I can only see a draw v Everton if I'm being logical.

I see the happy pills have kicked in :)
The weekend was a salutary reminder of where we are as a club and where they are. Don't think we are solid enough to win, or crap enough to lose, I'm going 1-1.

I think the lesson learned from the weekend is that we cant defend and they can ( or at least on Sunday). Other than that I dont think there is much between the sides and home advantage for us could be enough

Quite. I'm very confident we will match or bette them. But we probably need to be two goals better than them to win by one
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Pete3206 on April 27, 2015, 09:05:31 PM
We should be aiming to remain unbeaten for the rest of the season, 8-10 points. No reason why we can't.

Fucking right as well.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Matt Collins on April 27, 2015, 09:48:12 PM
Even with a pessimistic scenario - eg 1 or maybe even 0 pts from the next three games- I still think a win against burnley will be enough to see us ok. And I think they'll be down by then.

Sunderland are the team I'm Counting on. If we beat burnley they'll need five more points and I don't think they'll get it
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 27, 2015, 10:08:56 PM
I don't think Sunderland will win another game this season although now I've typed that no doubt they'll effortlessly roll over Southampton this weekend.

It might be one of those situations where we've already got enough points to be safe now (bit like last season when we were safe after beating Chelsea mid March but it didn't seem that way in the final few weeks) but I wouldn't want to take that risk and fully expect us to get at least 4 more points this season as the aim of course should be to try to finish as high up the league as possible.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Des Little on April 27, 2015, 10:09:25 PM
A win and a draw and that'll be enough I tells ya
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Billy Walker on April 27, 2015, 10:20:48 PM
If we approach the Everton match a bit like the home Hull game of last season and go full out for the three points - and get them -the rest of the season will be a doddle.  Three points this Saturday, let's get the job done.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: IAmTheOneIanOlney on April 27, 2015, 10:27:42 PM

Quite. I'm very confident we will match or bette them. But we probably need to be two goals better than them to win by one

I'm confused. Surely we only need to be one goal better to win by one?
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Matt Collins on April 27, 2015, 10:34:34 PM
We need to perform to the standard that would warrant a two goal victory because we'll probably gift them at least one goal.  Bit like the FA cup game. We had to murder QPR to get a draw too
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: IAmTheOneIanOlney on April 27, 2015, 11:26:41 PM
Ah, right. Wasn't actually that hard to work out...
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 28, 2015, 09:45:51 AM
We could really do with Hull losing tonight.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Des Little on April 28, 2015, 10:02:23 AM
I've decided to to keep a distance from other games...I don't actively look for the score during the game, just once it's over. It helps to avoid that horrible feeling of anguish if you're waiting on an equaliser or winner.  Let's just see hoe the cards fall....and win our own games of course.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: MONCABA on April 28, 2015, 01:48:34 PM
We could really do with Hull losing tonight.

I would be more confident if Hull were away.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Singapore Villa on April 28, 2015, 01:50:24 PM
Liverpool had better turn up tonight. 
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: dekko on April 28, 2015, 02:00:39 PM
If only Newcastle had appointed Carver one or two games earlier and they'd be in seriously deep trouble!  You'd expect Leicester to beat them this weekend given their respective form, which would put Leicester on 34, and with QPR and Sunderland to play, they'd be more or less safe already.

So I think it's down to the current bottom 3 (Burnley/QPR/Sunderland) plus us and Hull.  On current form, and with the fixtures left, I'd say we're the least likely to go down, but this close to the end there is very little room for error.

My guess is that we'll go into the last day needing to avoid defeat against an already relegated Burnley.  As bad as we've been at home, I think we'd smash them.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: ROBBO on April 28, 2015, 02:09:00 PM
I went through the remaining fixtures and as silly as it seems we may have enough points already.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Tom_Mc9? on April 28, 2015, 02:16:40 PM
Liverpool had better turn up tonight. 

I can't see Liverpool keep being shit. They'll win tonight.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 28, 2015, 02:28:41 PM
I went through the remaining fixtures and as silly as it seems we may have enough points already.

I very much doubt it. Before last weekend I could see that, but those results make me think you'll need 34/35 to stay up.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: peter w on April 28, 2015, 02:46:28 PM
Hull's recent performances haven't been as bad as their results have suggested, and they mullered Palace. They couldeasily win tonight. A dull Chelsea performance and only a point sees us in the bottom 3. We need 4 points. I'm getting edgy as hell because I fancy Sunderland to win on saturday, too. 3 points v everton and I'll relax but I think they'll do us.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on April 28, 2015, 03:42:23 PM
I think 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' will win tonight they have an outside chance of champions league with United in Poor form
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: nodge on April 28, 2015, 04:10:31 PM
Hull's recent performances haven't been as bad as their results have suggested, and they mullered Palace. They couldeasily win tonight. A dull Chelsea performance and only a point sees us in the bottom 3. We need 4 points. I'm getting edgy as hell because I fancy Sunderland to win on saturday, too. 3 points v everton and I'll relax but I think they'll do us.

We can't be in the bottom 3 after the Chelsea game tomorrow.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: villadelph on April 28, 2015, 05:31:53 PM
Can't lie, I'm still sweating it. Really just hoping we can do ourselves a favor and grab all three against Everton.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on April 28, 2015, 05:44:53 PM
Liverpool had better turn up tonight.

None of their fans are apparently - baulking at the £50 asking price.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: TheMalandro on April 28, 2015, 06:21:50 PM
Liverpool had better turn up tonight.

None of their fans are apparently - baulking at the £50 asking price.

Good for them, its disgusting
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: silhillvilla on April 28, 2015, 08:33:12 PM
Despite playing well of late we appear to be slipping into deep waters again.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 28, 2015, 08:34:40 PM
Not worried unless Sunderland start winning.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: OCD on April 28, 2015, 08:34:56 PM
Liverpool had better turn up tonight.

None of their fans are apparently - baulking at the £50 asking price.

Good for them, its disgusting

Are they doing to deliberately put off the away supporters though, given their predicament?
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: David_Nab on April 28, 2015, 08:35:44 PM
Getting royally fucked over by teams at moment ,Palace beat City at home then lose to WBA and HULL !!

Liverpool now losing to Hull , with our Luck Leicester will do Chelsea tomorrow too ...
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: silhillvilla on April 28, 2015, 08:36:24 PM
Not worried unless Sunderland start winning.
Think they will on Saturday v Southampton at home.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: OCD on April 28, 2015, 08:37:23 PM
Southampton beat them 8-0 in the reverse and have looked very vulnerable at home to teams playing on the counter.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Diablo on April 28, 2015, 08:40:59 PM
Liverpool had better turn up tonight.

None of their fans are apparently - baulking at the £50 asking price.

I think they're actually £64 (oops my mistake Hull was £50 I was confused as I saw a photo of a Liverpool banner that said £64 which must have been from the time they complained at Arsenal away). Quite right to be pissed off too. I have a nasty feeling their team won't be doing us (or themselves) any favours tonight though. To be fair I hate having to hope that Liverpool or Chelsea (or the likes) win it's really not a good look.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: silhillvilla on April 28, 2015, 08:41:17 PM
It wasn't £50 for us at hull, more like £30
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 28, 2015, 08:45:26 PM
It's looking dicey again here.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: myf on April 28, 2015, 09:01:01 PM
The 5 points dropped against stoke, Swansea, qpr and man city are making me twitchy
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: KRS on April 28, 2015, 09:12:07 PM
That should be 3 points...we came from behind to rescue a point against QPR so you can't count that as 2 points dropped.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Havencheese on April 28, 2015, 09:17:06 PM
I think the bottom three are sorted.

It's coming down to form. Leicester have come from nowhere to keep accumulating points, Hull seem to be showing ticker and we have started to pull together the past month looking like we can get points from any of our remaining fixtures. I'd perhaps be more concerned if I was a Newcastle fan at the moment, they've been stagnant for quite a while and Sunderland still aren't showing enough.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Matt Collins on April 28, 2015, 09:19:58 PM
I'm starting to get concerned that Liverpool might lose at home to QPR the way they're playing
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: myf on April 28, 2015, 09:21:26 PM
That should be 3 points...we came from behind to rescue a point against QPR so you can't count that as 2 points dropped.

Perhaps but should have been out of sight at half time. 3 points would still see us in a much more comfortable position. Saturday is filling me with dread
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: clash city rocker on April 28, 2015, 09:23:07 PM
We are still stood on the trap door. 3 points Saturday is a must as anything other than a win will really increase the pressure for the final 3 games.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Jimbo on April 28, 2015, 09:26:09 PM
Liverpool need an opposition player to gift them a goal like we did. If we can stop doing that we won't need to worry.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Havencheese on April 28, 2015, 09:28:40 PM
The goose is cooked with QPR. Mate who supports them said weeks ago, that three players aside, nobody's showing much. Ramsey tactically okay but not motivating anyone.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 28, 2015, 09:32:18 PM
Things are really going against us at the moment. We're probably going to need at least 4 points at this rate.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: clash city rocker on April 28, 2015, 09:38:23 PM
Bloody hope Southampton win on Saturday.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: David_Nab on April 28, 2015, 09:49:25 PM
Bloody hope Southampton win on Saturday.

Played ok against Spurs , certainly they still look motivated unlike Liverpool.Also pace of Mane should destroy Sunderland's slow coach defence

Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: l_mckay on April 28, 2015, 09:52:23 PM
Christ alive getting tight now,praying we can get the win on Saturday and Southampton win,that should be enough.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 28, 2015, 09:55:44 PM
We still need the same number of points as we needed this morning.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Havencheese on April 28, 2015, 09:56:30 PM
Christ alive getting tight now,praying we can get the win on Saturday and Southampton win,that should be enough.
If not, I think we'll get a point then do West Ham - they're rubbish at the moment and there for the taking.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Matt Collins on April 28, 2015, 10:00:56 PM
You just hope that in one of our games the opposition, with nothing to play for, just doesn't turn up. Like hull last season or Liverpool under little

Burnley will hopefully be down already and hopefully West Ham will be the same

Our home results have been awful however so I can only be so confident

I really do struggle to see us beating Everton, we haven't done that in ages. I definitely felt the same v Spurs tho

Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Villafirst on April 28, 2015, 10:06:52 PM
I really thought we'd be in the bottom 3 at the end of April given our tough run of away games against Man Utd, Spurs and Man City. The spurs win I believe will be pivotal in our survival. FFS we have 3 home games where we should, on current form, gain at least 5 points. I think we'll beat West Ham & Burnley. Don't want to go through this again! 4 seasons of stressful season ends!
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: saunders_heroes on April 28, 2015, 10:07:29 PM
This season is on a knife-edge. It could be one of the worst in our history or end up being one of the best. All I know is that my nerves are on edge.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Matt Collins on April 28, 2015, 10:10:55 PM
If you check out the form guide Everton are top and we're about 14th. 7pts from 6 games.

Hmmm.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Matt Collins on April 28, 2015, 10:14:14 PM
I also didn't realise that Southampton have lost three from four away
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: saunders_heroes on April 28, 2015, 10:14:38 PM
Fuck their form, we'll beat them.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: dave.woodhall on April 28, 2015, 10:15:13 PM
Let's just surrender then, shall we?
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: clash city rocker on April 28, 2015, 10:16:05 PM
If results go against us Saturday our destiny could be out of our hands.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Richard E on April 28, 2015, 10:17:11 PM
I'm just going to keep posting WE'RE NOT GOING DOWN until I convince myself.

I was actually quite relaxed until I came on here, more worried about how we're going to beat Arsenal. Head says we'll be fine, sphincter not yet convinced.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: silhillvilla on April 28, 2015, 10:17:28 PM
If you check out the form guide Everton are top and we're about 14th. 7pts from 6 games.

Hmmm.
What has looked an easyish fixture for months now looks daunting
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: dave.woodhall on April 28, 2015, 10:18:38 PM
If you check out the form guide Everton are top and we're about 14th. 7pts from 6 games.

Hmmm.
What has looked an easyish fixture for months now looks daunting

Can't you give it a rest?
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Richard E on April 28, 2015, 10:18:53 PM
If results go against us Saturday our destiny could be out of our hands.

If results go for us on Saturday we could be all but home and hosed.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 28, 2015, 10:18:53 PM
If you check out the form guide Everton are top and we're about 14th. 7pts from 6 games.

Hmmm.
What has looked an easyish fixture for months now looks daunting

Is exactly what everyone who has to play us thinks.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Matt Collins on April 28, 2015, 10:19:53 PM
Man U apart they're not scoring too many though. And we are a big threat

I really hope villa are concentrating on defence this week. Another defensive performance like v QPR and we lose
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: dave.woodhall on April 28, 2015, 10:21:10 PM
Man U apart they're not scoring too many though. And we are a big threat

I really hope villa are concentrating on defence this week. Another defensive performance like v QPR and we lose

Another attacking perfomance like QPR and we win.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 28, 2015, 10:21:22 PM
Everton have kept 2 away clean sheets in the league all season. Have they suddenly morphed into Barcelona without me noticing?
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Richard E on April 28, 2015, 10:22:13 PM
Everton have kept 2 away clean sheets in the league all season. Have they suddenly morphed into Barcelona without me noticing?

No, but we have judging by some of our recent attacking football!
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Dave on April 28, 2015, 10:22:16 PM
If you check out the form guide Everton are top and we're about 14th. 7pts from 6 games.

Hmmm.
And are there at least three teams below us in both the form guide and the actual league table?

If so, why does the form guide show us anything other than us being guaranteed to stay up?
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 28, 2015, 10:22:34 PM
And lost 9 away games. It's not like they are unbeatable.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 28, 2015, 10:25:06 PM
Man U apart they're not scoring too many though. And we are a big threat

I really hope villa are concentrating on defence this week. Another defensive performance like v QPR and we lose

Another attacking perfomance like QPR and we win.

Another defending performance like QPR and we don't, though.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: RossLeach on April 28, 2015, 10:25:44 PM
Done a predictor and we stay up and hull go down. Not sure how I got that....
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: TonyD on April 28, 2015, 10:26:42 PM
Still 9/1 for the drop.  No change.  The bookies now put Sunderland for the drop.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 28, 2015, 10:27:00 PM
Basically, we need some points, and we've got four matches in which to get them.

if we don't get enough then, to be honest, we'll have deserved it.

The Swansea and Stoke defeats are looking like a couple of particularly large missed opportunities. As is Sunday, for that matter.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: dave.woodhall on April 28, 2015, 10:27:19 PM
Man U apart they're not scoring too many though. And we are a big threat

I really hope villa are concentrating on defence this week. Another defensive performance like v QPR and we lose

Another attacking perfomance like QPR and we win.

Another defending performance like QPR and we don't, though.

Let's stick with the positives.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 28, 2015, 10:27:40 PM
Still 9/1 for the drop.  No change.  The bookies now put Sunderland for the drop.

The bookies aren't putting Sunderland for the drop. The people who are betting on them going down are.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 28, 2015, 10:27:47 PM
Fun fact time.

We've scored 11 goals in our last 6 league games.

We scored 12 in our first 25.

Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: TonyD on April 28, 2015, 10:30:22 PM
Can see us beating West Ham and Burnley.   Job done but a long wait.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 28, 2015, 10:30:54 PM
Man U apart they're not scoring too many though. And we are a big threat

I really hope villa are concentrating on defence this week. Another defensive performance like v QPR and we lose

Another attacking perfomance like QPR and we win.

Another defending performance like QPR and we don't, though.

Let's stick with the positives.

We know what the positives are - we can score goals again. We also know what the negatives are - we struggle to defend properly.

QPR was a perfect example of all that is both right and wrong with us currently, and another occurrence of that sort of performance isn't going to help us very much.

We need to manage to cut out the stupid errors for one or two games and get some points on the board, as we're running out of matches in which to do it.

Tonight's result is another indicator of the folly of relying on others to fuck things up. Hull taking six points in a few days, Leicester winning four matches in a row.

I am not saying we are doomed or going down, but I pointed out on the Sherwood thread that it looks a bit complacent to be ruling out the chances of relegation as an impossibility.

Maybe we've spent so much time thinking about the Cup we've taken our eye off what is going on in the league around us.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on April 28, 2015, 10:31:55 PM
Surely the run against Everton has to end sometime - no better time than now.  I have a good feeling about it.  Yes you heard it right, I have a good feeling about something.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Richard E on April 28, 2015, 10:32:24 PM
I can't see how any sane person would think we are more likely to go down than Sunderland, who have been toss, who have shipped 4 at home recently twice, whose only recent win was against the equally toss Newcastle and who finish the season with successive away games at Arsenal and Chelsea.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: ozzjim on April 28, 2015, 10:33:49 PM
Basically, we need some points, and we've got four matches in which to get them.

if we don't get enough then, to be honest, we'll have deserved it.

The Swansea and Stoke defeats are looking like a couple of particularly large missed opportunities. As is Sunday, for that matter.

They are, and if we go by a point then they will look even worse, as will the Man City result.

But in all fairness, the damage was done with 12 points in 21 games under Lambert. The run through games we should have got points after a difficult December has killed us. The away games to Hull and Leicester were nothing short of pathetic. I can forgive the Sherwood results, there was effort and an attempt to win. Those Lambert games were just awful.

The only thing I can be critical of from Sherwood though is his selection of full backs. Lowton was doing a good job at left back and way more solid than Richardson. I would like nothing more than Lowton left back, Hutton right back at the weekend. We would be automatically more solid.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 28, 2015, 10:34:29 PM
What happened on Sunday that I missed?
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: walsall villain on April 28, 2015, 10:34:45 PM
Making predictions is proving tricky. I didn't see Hull winning those 2 matches and who would think Leicester would win 4 on the trot? Our rivals wouldn't have thought we would win at Spurs and beat Liverpool. The moral is give up on the predictions and trust that with our new approach we win a couple of the last 4 somehow but who knows which?
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: silhillvilla on April 28, 2015, 10:36:15 PM
Can't blame sherwood at all for this
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Post by: Dave on April 28, 2015, 10:36:37 PM
We need to manage to cut out the stupid errors for one or two games and get some points on the board, as we're running out of matches in which to do it.
Other people are running out of matches.

If the season ended tomorrow, it's them who have run out of matches - not us.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Billy Walker on April 28, 2015, 10:36:52 PM
Surely the run against Everton has to end sometime - no better time than now.  I have a good feeling about it.  Yes you heard it right, I have a good feeling about something.

Yep, this is the game to get it done and dusted.  Crank up the volume at Villa Park and put the fear of God into the opposition.  Use this as a rehearsal for the Cup Final and fight for everything. 
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on April 28, 2015, 10:37:58 PM
What happened on Sunday that I missed?

I went to mass to pray for us.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: TonyD on April 28, 2015, 10:40:09 PM
That win at Spurs was priceless.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: saunders_heroes on April 28, 2015, 10:43:14 PM
Just realised that Sunderland's game in hand is away at Arsenal and it's not till May 20th.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: silhillvilla on April 28, 2015, 10:45:49 PM
Just realised that Sunderland's game in hand is away at Arsenal and it's not till May 20th.
I wouldn't trust arsenal for a nano second
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Richard E on April 28, 2015, 10:46:45 PM
Just realised that Sunderland's game in hand is away at Arsenal and it's not till May 20th.
I wouldn't trust arsenal for a nano second

Well, they're certainly going to lose their last game of the season for a kick off.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: dave.woodhall on April 28, 2015, 10:48:20 PM
Just realised that Sunderland's game in hand is away at Arsenal and it's not till May 20th.
I wouldn't trust arsenal for a nano second

Yes, they're going to lose deliberately to fuck us over.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: silhillvilla on April 28, 2015, 10:49:05 PM
If you finish 2nd or 3rd is there a difference to CL entry level ?
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Richard E on April 28, 2015, 10:50:33 PM
If you finish 2nd or 3rd is there a difference to CL entry level ?

I think the fact that Sunderland are f*****g sh*t is a more pertinent factor in the likely outcome of that game.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on April 28, 2015, 10:51:10 PM
Chelsea will have tied up the League by the time they play Sunderland, and Arsenal's main motivation will be not to finish 4th and have to play the qualifying match for the Champions League.  We can't bank on Sunderland not taking something from either/both of them.

Basically, all the Hull result has done is take away one of our insurance policies, in the event that we fuck up and don't get the 4-5 points we probably need.  We can't rely on Sunderland to keep being so shit, or for Leicester to start losing. 



Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: dave.woodhall on April 28, 2015, 10:51:13 PM
If you finish 2nd or 3rd is there a difference to CL entry level ?

There's this great new invention you ought to know about. It's called Google.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: silhillvilla on April 28, 2015, 10:54:05 PM
Chelsea will have tied up the League by the time they play Sunderland, and Arsenal's main motivation will be not to finish 4th and have to play the qualifying match for the Champions League.  We can't bank on Sunderland not taking something from either/both of them.

Basically, all the Hull result has done is take away one of our insurance policies, in the event that we fuck up and don't get the 4-5 points we probably need.  We can't rely on Sunderland to keep being so shit, or for Leicester to start losing.
Agree
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 28, 2015, 10:58:20 PM
We needed 4-6 points this morning, we still need 4-6 points. The Hull result hasn't changed that so how we're suddenly fucked is beyond me.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on April 28, 2015, 11:00:34 PM
Fun fact time.

We've scored 11 goals in our last 6 league games.

We scored 12 in our first 25.

Thank God some of them got us 1-0 wins.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on April 28, 2015, 11:04:26 PM
I bet if we got McLeish back, he could get us 4 x 0-0 draws, which might just be enough.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Risso on April 28, 2015, 11:04:28 PM
Christ, this has been a cheery thread to catch up on this evening.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Matt Collins on April 28, 2015, 11:07:19 PM
I still think we'll be fine because Burnley at home looks extremely winnable

But I think it might go down to the last game for the first time in years for us
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: saunders_heroes on April 28, 2015, 11:17:34 PM
I'm convinced we'll win our 3 remaining home games. This is a very different Villa to the horrors of Lambert's reign.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: OCD on April 28, 2015, 11:22:24 PM
We needed 4-6 points this morning, we still need 4-6 points. The Hull result hasn't changed that so how we're suddenly fucked is beyond me.

It's just cranked up the pressure when some were saying we were safe after we beat Spurs. Get the next win, preferably against Everton and suddenly things start looking rosy again. Even more so if the weekend's results go for us as well.

Hopefully we won't be in a position like this again, or at least for a long time. This scenario every year for the last 4 years has been really tiring. Sherwood's certainly a lot more positive than his immediate predecessors and it will be nice to see him given a decent budget, a pre-season and time to work with the players before starting afresh.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: silhillvilla on April 28, 2015, 11:23:44 PM
I'm convinced we'll win our 3 remaining home games. This is a very different Villa to the horrors of Lambert's reign.
When did we last do that I wonder ?
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: saunders_heroes on April 28, 2015, 11:27:11 PM
I'm convinced we'll win our 3 remaining home games. This is a very different Villa to the horrors of Lambert's reign.
When did we last do that I wonder ?

Who cares. Look ahead not back.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: tomd2103 on April 28, 2015, 11:30:48 PM
We needed 4-6 points this morning, we still need 4-6 points. The Hull result hasn't changed that so how we're suddenly fucked is beyond me.

The truth is no one really knows how it is going to pan out and for all we know, we could be safe now. 
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on April 28, 2015, 11:33:19 PM
As individual games, there's a case to be made that Villa could at least get something out of each of them (apart from Man City away).

However, there's an equally good case that can be made for Villa not to get anything out of any of them.

Neither will happen, therefore I'm predicting something in between that will lead to Villa either being relegated or not.

There you go, how about that for in depth analysis.

Just thought I'd drag this one back to cheer everyone up.  Made me laugh.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: silhillvilla on April 28, 2015, 11:35:15 PM
As individual games, there's a case to be made that Villa could at least get something out of each of them (apart from Man City away).

However, there's an equally good case that can be made for Villa not to get anything out of any of them.

Neither will happen, therefore I'm predicting something in between that will lead to Villa either being relegated or not.

There you go, how about that for in depth analysis.

Just thought I'd drag this one back to cheer everyone up.  Made me laugh.
Statement 1 was spot on. The square root of fuck all
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: OCD on April 28, 2015, 11:35:59 PM
For the first half hour of the City game it was clearly a case of 'after the Lord Mayor's show'. I'm sure we'll be totally focussed on the league now until we're safe so hopefully we can do the necessary.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: The Left Side on April 28, 2015, 11:38:00 PM
If you had asked us after the Hull game in February that with 4 games left (3 of which are at home to Everton, WHU & Burnley) that we would be in the position we were in then we would have snapped your hands off. It is still up to us and if we get the great atmosphere in B6 that we can, we will be fine even if the situation does get us all more jittery than we would prefer. Let's just be positive and get behind the team, UTV!
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: ROBBO on April 28, 2015, 11:53:22 PM
All the teams around us would love to have our run home.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: dave.woodhall on April 28, 2015, 11:57:45 PM
All the teams around us would love to have our run home.

And our squad.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: DeKuip on April 29, 2015, 12:56:54 AM
and our cup final tickets
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 29, 2015, 01:05:18 AM
and our history
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: TheMalandro on April 29, 2015, 06:53:09 AM
and our pies
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Post by: supertom on April 29, 2015, 06:59:45 AM
And N'Zogbia's wardrobe.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Walmley_Villa on April 29, 2015, 07:51:02 AM
And a fans site like H & V
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Des Little on April 29, 2015, 08:11:48 AM
For the first half hour of the City game it was clearly a case of 'after the Lord Mayor's show'. I'm sure we'll be totally focussed on the league now until we're safe so hopefully we can do the necessary.

The first five minutes were a case of the Rocky Horror Show
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: ROBBO on April 29, 2015, 08:24:49 AM
All the teams around us would love to have our run home.

And our squad.

Agree Dave but it all revolves around Benteke, if he limps i cringe.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 29, 2015, 08:29:51 AM
Cut out the defensive mistakes and we'll be fine. We could do with Chelsea beating Leicester and Southampton beating Sunderland though.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Des Little on April 29, 2015, 08:33:52 AM
Let's not be surprised if Leicester get something tonight. I can see it being a draw.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Rudy65 on April 29, 2015, 08:41:14 AM
Heres hoping Mourinho takes the boring tag to heart and they go on the rampage tonight
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Richard E on April 29, 2015, 08:44:58 AM
WE'RE NOT GOING DOWN!!!!!
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: mr underhill on April 29, 2015, 08:48:03 AM
I think it's between us or Sunderland for the big heave-ho and it might well go down to the last game. Having said that, on balance, I expect us to be in the PL next season. The key game for me is Everton - they have nothing to play for, and an abysmal away record, but will be full of confidence after thrashing Man U. We simply have to avoid losing that game.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on April 29, 2015, 08:49:16 AM
We do what we have to do and we will be safe.  If we are to continually rely on others we might as well have that mindset from the beginning of the season.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Matt Collins on April 29, 2015, 09:23:13 AM
Your league position is a function of how you do compared to how others do. So of course it's important what other teams do. West Ham once went down on 42 points.

I don't think Leicester are out of this yet. It's amazing he short term the football zeitgeist is. A very lucky win at Burnley and two last minute winners in the last four games. Is that going to continue? I just have a feeling they'll stumble

Still think Sunderland are by far our best hope. Tho if we do win at least a couple of games I think we could finish above Newcastle too. Think hull will probably be ok as long as they can eat Burnley at home which I expect them to
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: CJ on April 29, 2015, 12:09:50 PM
With Leicester going on an unbeaten run and Hull winning one of their won't-get-a-point-for-the-rest-of-the-season games, I'm now officially extremely worried. Failure to sack Lambert earlier, together with those games against Sunderland and Palace at home and Leicester and Hull away, is causing my rusty sheriff's badge to twitch as I feel something big approaching to bite me on the arse. We're running out of games fast and need to get right behind the boys on Saturday and the rest of the season.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Smoke on April 29, 2015, 12:45:48 PM
need to get right behind the boys on Saturday and the rest of the season.

I was planning to boo for 90 minutes solid on Saturday even during half time. You've swayed me round now though.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: CJ on April 29, 2015, 12:48:07 PM
Glad I was able to help
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Post by: JUAN PABLO on April 29, 2015, 01:08:59 PM
I'm expecting 8 pts. Even if we draw against Everton , I expect a draw against Southampton and wins against spammers and Burnley

We are playing some cracking football , just the defending needs a sort out.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 29, 2015, 01:23:51 PM
Let's say it remains tight to the last two games between us and Sunderland would you rather have to face Southampton (a), Burnley (h) or Chelsea (a), Arsenal (a) to stay up? I know what I'm choosing. And even Hull have Spurs (a), Man U (h)
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: exigo on April 29, 2015, 01:28:58 PM
Latest odds.

QPR 1/33
Burnley 1/16
Sunderland 4/11
Leicester 9/2
Us 6/1
Hull 10/1
Newcastle 10/1

So closer to danger, but still all good according to they who never lose.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Matt Collins on April 29, 2015, 01:38:09 PM
I don't get why QPR have consistently been much shorter odds than Burnley
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on April 29, 2015, 01:41:26 PM
I don't get why QPR have consistently been much shorter odds than Burnley

Because nobody likes them

(must have tougher fixtures)
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: TheMalandro on April 29, 2015, 01:42:55 PM
Despite the others winning a few, I'm predicting 35 will be enough and we will get 3 point somewhere.

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Post by: andrew08 on April 29, 2015, 01:53:38 PM
I'm kind of getting used to this now it's an annual occurrence. I clearly don't want us to go down but, similar to all the recent seasons, if we do with 4 games left 3 of which are at home then we deserve to. And well played the others.

What is different this year is we've had a managerial change that has at least given us a chance, because after the Hull game with Lambert still in charge we would have been relegated. This weekend probably. And Albion would be in The Cup Final.

Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: mr underhill on April 29, 2015, 02:30:44 PM
you might well be right, under Lambert we were certainties for the axe; for me, the Everton game is key - we have to get some kind of a result. If we loose it's going to be clenched rings all round.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Billy Walker on April 29, 2015, 02:30:56 PM
I just did this, being as harsh on Villa as I could be -

http://www.skybet.com/cms/relegation-battle.shtm

Bottom three: Sunderland QPR Burnley.


Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 29, 2015, 02:33:10 PM
I think we need to get 4 more points to be sure of safety, so let's start with 3 of those this weekend.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: KevinGage on April 29, 2015, 03:37:28 PM
You normally get one of the strugglers hitting a rich vein of form at the right time.

It's unusual to get three of them, (ourselves, Leicester and now Hull) doing it.

I said before that 4 points (finishing on 36) should be enough.

Now, with the way other results have gone, I think we'll need two victories to be absolutely certain. 

Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: berneboy on April 29, 2015, 04:26:43 PM
I just did this, being as harsh on Villa as I could be -

http://www.skybet.com/cms/relegation-battle.shtm

Bottom three: Sunderland QPR Burnley.

I got the same.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: UK Redsox on April 29, 2015, 04:42:50 PM
Same here
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: supertom on April 29, 2015, 04:58:21 PM
I just did this, being as harsh on Villa as I could be -

http://www.skybet.com/cms/relegation-battle.shtm

Bottom three: Sunderland QPR Burnley.

I got the same.
That's what I had, with QPR finishing 18th on 32 points.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 29, 2015, 05:05:16 PM
I'm hoping for Leicester to get battered tonight and then subsequently fold like a cheap tent. Let's face it the run they are on is all a bit bizarre and won't be maintained. Otherwise they wouldn't be in the mess they are in.
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Post by: Chris Smith on April 29, 2015, 05:06:36 PM
I had a go at that predictor and we already have enough points to survive so can confidently rest everyone for the Cup Final.
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Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 29, 2015, 05:09:11 PM
My bottom 3 was

18   Hull   34   
19   Q.P.R 30   
20   Burnley 27   
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Can Gana Be Bettered!?!? on April 29, 2015, 05:16:59 PM
2 wins should do it, and as we have West Ham and Burnley to come, we should (!) do it.

However, I'd rather not wait until the last game of the season!
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: JUAN PABLO on April 29, 2015, 05:35:07 PM
I just did this, being as harsh on Villa as I could be -

http://www.skybet.com/cms/relegation-battle.shtm

Bottom three: Sunderland QPR Burnley.




Same here
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Matt Collins on April 29, 2015, 05:52:46 PM
I just did that predictor with a very pessimistic outlook- 1 pt from 3 games before beating Burnley and a few surprise wins for others

Still had Sunderland going
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on April 29, 2015, 06:19:05 PM
My bottom 3 was

18   Hull   34   
19   Q.P.R 30   
20   Burnley 27   


I got very similar but there's a few points that will get picked up.

18. Hull 32
19. Burnley 31
20. QPR 30
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Post by: KRS on April 29, 2015, 06:21:40 PM
Done a variety of combinations including worst case scenarios and we pretty much need 2 wins to guarantee safety.
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Post by: Richie on April 29, 2015, 06:25:20 PM
My bottom 3 was

18   Hull   34   
19   Q.P.R 30   
20   Burnley 27   


I got very similar but there's a few points that will get picked up.

18. Hull 32
19. Burnley 31
20. QPR 30

Not trying to be picky, but haven't Hull got 34 points already ?
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Ads on April 29, 2015, 06:28:51 PM
If Sunderland don't win one of their next two their goners.

We are playing some top attacking football at the moment and I feel four points from the next two games will be enough, should we fail to take anything from the other two (of which I think four points is equally as likely).
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on April 29, 2015, 06:33:00 PM
My bottom 3 was

18   Hull   34   
19   Q.P.R 30   
20   Burnley 27   


I got very similar but there's a few points that will get picked up.

18. Hull 32
19. Burnley 31
20. QPR 30

Not trying to be picky, but haven't Hull got 34 points already ?

Bugger, I'll have to do it again.
Edit: Not my fault, there seems to be a software problem. I still managed to get Hull on 31 points. Obviously yesterday's game is not included.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Richard E on April 29, 2015, 06:43:31 PM
My bottom 3 was

18   Hull   34   
19   Q.P.R 30   
20   Burnley 27   


Not sure that works with Hull still to play Burnley?
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 29, 2015, 06:49:38 PM
Their system is glitched then as you don't generate a bottom 3 unless you do all the results.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 29, 2015, 08:41:23 PM
Good to see Chelsea are doing fucking shit.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: David_Nab on April 29, 2015, 08:44:45 PM
Getting no favours from anyone at all currently.

Sure we have to take care of our own matches but this is ridiculous
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: silhillvilla on April 29, 2015, 08:46:42 PM
This is a real-time nightmare that's unfolding
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 29, 2015, 08:47:43 PM
It hasn't changed really. We still need to look after our own business and the games we have in front of us are all ones we have a good chance of winning based on how we've been playing. We just have to do it now.
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Post by: langleylions on April 29, 2015, 08:49:39 PM
I called this result earlier today and even said they would play shit they can afford to have a night off simple as!!! conspiracy theory anybody?
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: boboonthecorner on April 29, 2015, 08:52:54 PM
Getting no favours from anyone at all currently.

Sure we have to take care of our own matches but this is ridiculous

You have to say the other teams failing in previous seasons has saved us, we may well have run out of luck. Thank you Drogba.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: langleylions on April 29, 2015, 08:58:52 PM
thank fuck now get the winner
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 29, 2015, 09:03:37 PM
Glad Drogba scored there.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Legion on April 29, 2015, 09:07:15 PM
That was a good thing he did.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: supertom on April 29, 2015, 09:11:34 PM
I do think Everton has now become must-win to be honest. It's a home game for a start. A point is absolute bare minimum. If we lose we still have West Ham and Burnley, but it's really cutting it fine. Anything can happen on final day. Even if Burnley were down by then, Sod's law dictates they'll try and make the most of their final Premiership game for a while.

I also worry that a defeat against Everton could cause Sherwood (yes even Sherwood) to doubt himself a little. He may air a little more to the side of caution. That could well help, but it may negate our new found attacking threat, and ultimately we're only gonna stay up by scoring goals and winning games.
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Post by: ez on April 29, 2015, 09:31:47 PM
I really hope we're safe before the last game. Sky will be all over the relegation battle as the title race will be over by then.
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Post by: A|C on April 29, 2015, 09:31:59 PM
And relax..... 3-1 to Chelsea.  The relegation battle is proper tight this year, I don't think my heart can take it.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 29, 2015, 09:37:15 PM
Good stuff thanks Chelsea. Now a win for us Saturday please.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 29, 2015, 09:40:58 PM
13   West Brom  34   -14   37
14   Newcastle    34   -21   35
15   Hull              34   -13   34
16   Aston Villa   34   -22   32
17   Leicester      34   -18   31
18   Sunderland  33   -23   30
19   QPR             34   -21   27
20   Burnley        34   -26   26

Remaining fixtures

West Brom
Man Utd v West Brom
Newcastle v West Brom
West Brom v Chelsea
Arsenal v West Brom

Newcastle
Leicester v Newcastle
Newcastle v West Brom
QPR v Newcastle
Newcastle v West Ham

Sunderland
Sunderland v Southampton
Everton v Sunderland
Sunderland v Leicester
Arsenal v Sunderland
Chelsea v Sunderland

Hull
Hull v Arsenal
Hull v Burnley
Tottenham v Hull
Hull v Man Utd

Aston Villa
Aston Villa v Everton
Aston Villa v West Ham
Southampton v Aston Villa
Aston Villa v Burnley

Burnley
West Ham v Burnley
Hull v Burnley
Burnley v Stoke
Aston Villa v Burnley

QPR
Liverpool v QPR
Man City v QPR
QPR v Newcastle
Leicester v QPR

Leicester
Leicester v Newcastle
Leicester v Southampton
Sunderland v Leicester
Leicester v QPR
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: silhillvilla on April 29, 2015, 09:49:22 PM
Lots of twists and turns left
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: KRS on April 29, 2015, 09:52:07 PM
Looking at the table its hard to believe that we're in this mess given the 3 complete and utter dross teams directly above us...when we escape relegation it will be comforting to know that we did it by giving away a 25 game head start.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Villa in Denmark on April 29, 2015, 09:52:07 PM
Commentators here have just said that the Danish bookies (who work with market makers rather than computer algorithms) have set the mark for survival at 33½ points.  i.e. you can bet under to say 33 points or less to survive, or bet over to say 34 points or more to survive.  That will be placed on the point of greatest uncertainty.

So if anyone thinks it's so set in stone that it'll be a high points total get yourselves onto oddset.dk or betfair.dk.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: TheMalandro on April 29, 2015, 09:58:33 PM
Looking at the fixtures, I'd say QPR will be rock bottom in the end.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: silhillvilla on April 29, 2015, 10:00:14 PM
Commentators here have just said that the Danish bookies (who work with market makers rather than computer algorithms) have set the mark for survival at 33½ points.  i.e. you can bet under to say 33 points or less to survive, or bet over to say 34 points or more to survive.  That will be placed on the point of greatest uncertainty.

So if anyone thinks it's so set in stone that it'll be a high points total get yourselves onto oddset.dk or betfair.dk.
Sounds about as appealing as playing the Health Lottery
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Villa in Denmark on April 29, 2015, 10:04:40 PM
Commentators here have just said that the Danish bookies (who work with market makers rather than computer algorithms) have set the mark for survival at 33½ points.  i.e. you can bet under to say 33 points or less to survive, or bet over to say 34 points or more to survive.  That will be placed on the point of greatest uncertainty.

So if anyone thinks it's so set in stone that it'll be a high points total get yourselves onto oddset.dk or betfair.dk.
Sounds about as appealing as playing the Health Lottery

So despite the gloom and doom, you don't think it's worth a flutter on 34 points or more to survive?
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: OCD on April 29, 2015, 10:05:11 PM
Looking at it, 4 more points might be enough and that could be downgraded if Southampton were to win tomorrow night.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 29, 2015, 10:09:12 PM
Looking at it, 4 more points might be enough and that could be downgraded if Southampton were to win tomorrow night.

Tomorrow? Do you mean Saturday at Sunderland or am I being dim?
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: OCD on April 29, 2015, 10:10:57 PM
I just saw that they've got 5 games to play so assumed they played their game in hand tomorrow. The point still holds for Saturday then. If we win and Sunderland lose, the odds of us going down will rocket.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 29, 2015, 10:13:51 PM
I just saw that they've got 5 games to play so assumed they played their game in hand tomorrow. The point still holds for Saturday then. If we win and Sunderland lose, the odds of us going down will rocket.

Their game in hand is Arsenal away, played 20th May.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on April 29, 2015, 10:19:25 PM
Looking at it, 4 more points might be enough and that could be downgraded if Southampton were to win tomorrow night.

Tomorrow? Do you mean Saturday at Sunderland or am I being dim?

That is tomorrow. Days in between without football don't count at the moment.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: silhillvilla on April 29, 2015, 10:19:50 PM
I just saw that they've got 5 games to play so assumed they played their game in hand tomorrow. The point still holds for Saturday then. If we win and Sunderland lose, the odds of us going down will rocket.
Please no games tomorrow ? Need a night off this BS  ;)
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Meanwood Villa on April 29, 2015, 10:29:20 PM
We'll finish above Albion.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Richard E on April 29, 2015, 10:30:34 PM
We'll finish above Albion.

Let's hope we finish 17th in that case!
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 29, 2015, 10:31:31 PM
Imagine how much it would kill them if we won the cup and finished above them. It would take them decades to get over it.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on April 29, 2015, 10:39:15 PM
Imagine how much it would kill them if we won the cup and finished above them. It would take them decades to get over it.
It's still taking them longer than that after the last time...and the one before that...and the one before that...etc!
;-)
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Post by: serbentoflight on April 29, 2015, 11:15:26 PM
Newcastle will have a BIG say in who goes down.....Whay ay N'fuckwits....Win,Draw,Won,lose please... but is a hard one to call.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: OCD on April 29, 2015, 11:26:14 PM
Imagine how much it would kill them if we won the cup and finished above them. It would take them decades to get over it.

Knowing that they might have knocked us out of the cup and could have been 3 points worse off.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: tomd2103 on April 29, 2015, 11:28:51 PM
Newcastle will have a BIG say in who goes down.....Whay ay N'fuckwits....Win,Draw,Won,lose please... but is a hard one to call.

Yep, hopefully it will be them and another set of fans can be on the receiving end of their ire for happening to be in the same stadium when they went down.  At least John Carver would be there this time to experience it in person. 
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: tomd2103 on April 29, 2015, 11:30:19 PM
Imagine how much it would kill them if we won the cup and finished above them. It would take them decades to get over it.

Franksy would be off work for months with a stress related illness.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 30, 2015, 12:09:00 AM
What would be massively funny after all the bullshit Carver came out with when we played them is if he takes them down. Talk about poetic justice.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: tomd2103 on April 30, 2015, 12:18:19 AM
What would be massively funny after all the bullshit Carver came out with when we played them is if he takes them down. Talk about poetic justice.

Yep, the whole "the way the Villa fans reacted, it stays with you.  I wasn't at the game, but it stays with you". 
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 30, 2015, 12:18:21 AM
What would be massively funny after all the bullshit Carver came out with when we played them is if he takes them down. Talk about poetic justice.

Albion and Newcastle to somehow manage go down. If Carlsberg did relegations...........
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Villa in Denmark on April 30, 2015, 08:53:08 AM
What would be massively funny after all the bullshit Carver came out with when we played them is if he takes them down. Talk about poetic justice.

Albion and Newcastle to somehow manage go down. If Carlsberg did relegations...........

Then it would be Chelsea, Man City, Man Utd, Liverpool, Newcastle and the cock sockets from junction 1.

Play-offs to be cancelled and the top 6 from the Championship to be promoted.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: chrisw1 on April 30, 2015, 10:18:03 AM
What would be massively funny after all the bullshit Carver came out with when we played them is if he takes them down. Talk about poetic justice.

Agree.  But in fairness, it helped motivate them to secure 3 points.  One of only two games they've won this calender year.  That's the points difference between us and how much would we love those points right now?
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: TheMalandro on April 30, 2015, 10:38:44 AM
I think there is a good chance Newcastle are already safe and I'd expect them to get at least a couple of points more, so I hope they beat Leicester, West brom and qpr
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: AV82EC on April 30, 2015, 11:13:14 AM
I think there is a good chance Newcastle are already safe and I'd expect them to get at least a couple of points more, so I hope they beat Leicester, West brom and qpr

Despite how funny it would be I just can't see four of the six clubs below them overhauling the 35 points theyve currently got without a truly surprising set of results occurring. That said it would be even funnier if they did carry on losing and Sunderland sent them down. That would be comedy gold.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Dave on April 30, 2015, 04:38:02 PM
Morgan Schneiderlin is apparently out for the rest of the season - Southampton are a completely different side with him in it.

Which can only be good for the penultimate match.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: brian green on April 30, 2015, 04:43:30 PM
What are the run ins for our principal rivals?
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: dekko on April 30, 2015, 04:49:04 PM
Quote
What are the run ins for our principal rivals?

13   West Brom  34   -14   37
14   Newcastle    34   -21   35
15   Hull              34   -13   34
16   Aston Villa   34   -22   32
17   Leicester      34   -18   31
18   Sunderland  33   -23   30
19   QPR             34   -21   27
20   Burnley        34   -26   26

Remaining fixtures

West Brom
Man Utd v West Brom
Newcastle v West Brom
West Brom v Chelsea
Arsenal v West Brom

Newcastle
Leicester v Newcastle
Newcastle v West Brom
QPR v Newcastle
Newcastle v West Ham

Sunderland
Sunderland v Southampton
Everton v Sunderland
Sunderland v Leicester
Arsenal v Sunderland
Chelsea v Sunderland

Hull
Hull v Arsenal
Hull v Burnley
Tottenham v Hull
Hull v Man Utd

Aston Villa
Aston Villa v Everton
Aston Villa v West Ham
Southampton v Aston Villa
Aston Villa v Burnley

Burnley
West Ham v Burnley
Hull v Burnley
Burnley v Stoke
Aston Villa v Burnley

QPR
Liverpool v QPR
Man City v QPR
QPR v Newcastle
Leicester v QPR

Leicester
Leicester v Newcastle
Leicester v Southampton
Sunderland v Leicester
Leicester v QPR
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 30, 2015, 04:52:10 PM
Morgan Schneiderlin is apparently out for the rest of the season - Southampton are a completely different side with him in it.

Which can only be good for the penultimate match.

Couldn't he have sustained this injury after netting the winner vs Sunderland this weekend? Inconsiderate bastard.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: TheMalandro on April 30, 2015, 05:02:41 PM
we need Tim to be Mr 50%
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: eamonn on April 30, 2015, 05:22:36 PM
Didn't Saints wallop Sunderland 20-0 or something earlier this season? Hopefully it plays on Sunderland minds.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: brian green on April 30, 2015, 08:27:48 PM
Thanks dekko and thanks PWS, much obliged.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 30, 2015, 09:15:58 PM
Point wouldn't be a disaster this weekend. I'll be generous and give Sunderland a point this weekend aswell with Southampton injuries.

The following weekend is crucial I think. Sunderland play Everton away at 12.45 so we'll know their result before we kick off against West Ham.

I can't see Sunderland getting anything there and if we beat West Ham as we really should given their current form you could be looking at a 5 point lead with 3 games left.

That would mean Sunderland would have to win one of Chelsea/Arsenal away to overtake us and also hoping we don't pick up a point from final two games.

Things are tight atm but that scenario shows it could get a whole lot more comfortable within 9 days. I'd much rather be in our shoes than Sunderland's anyway.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Des Little on April 30, 2015, 09:40:49 PM
I'd take a point on Saturday right now
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Jimbo on April 30, 2015, 10:00:46 PM
I'll take all three on Saturday.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: mr underhill on May 01, 2015, 01:09:39 PM
if ever there was a game we can't afford to loose it's Everton. If we get turned over it's going to be very hard to regain the confidence we need to then have to beat West Ham. Avoid defeat, get a win against WHU and we stay up
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: dekko on May 01, 2015, 02:36:39 PM
if ever there was a game we can't afford to loose it's Everton. If we get turned over it's going to be very hard to regain the confidence we need to then have to beat West Ham. Avoid defeat, get a win against WHU and we stay up

I disagree.  The team has been playing with plenty of confidence more or less since Sherwood arrived, and if losing through late goals to Stoke, Swansea and Man City haven't knocked it, I don't think a loss to the form team in the league will either.

It'll make things harder of course, but so long as Sunderland fail to win I don't think it'll be a disaster.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: ez on May 01, 2015, 06:06:17 PM
I'm a bit peeved that we got within a point of albion but now without playing too badly we are 5 behind them.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Matt Collins on May 01, 2015, 06:33:47 PM
I normally get less confident the closer a game gets

I'm getting more confident tho. I don't think Everton are all that and we've been playing great

We just need to avoid giving stupid goals away and I think it's a point or more
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: ozzjim on May 01, 2015, 06:46:32 PM
I'm a bit peeved that we got within a point of albion but now without playing too badly we are 5 behind them.

Their win at Palace was one of the luckiest I have seen. Could have finished 5 2 without any complaints.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: curiousorange on May 01, 2015, 07:35:19 PM
I honestly think if we win tomorrow we'll have done enough. I'd also like to think that we'll get the result our current play deserves.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: clash city rocker on May 01, 2015, 08:11:55 PM
Had an Albion fan say to me today..."well we're safe" followed by a silly chuckle. My reply was " yep you're safe.plus you're not going to Wembley,plus you're shit to watch,plus you're all small minded wankers who follow a small time football club who last won something when colour TV hadn't been invented plus you're an embarrassment to brummies because people outside the area can't tell the difference between brummies and fuckin half wits like you..! I didn't wait for a reply because I didn't have the time to wait for the idiots brain to start working.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 02, 2015, 01:16:37 PM
This Leicester score isn't great.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Boz on May 02, 2015, 01:23:23 PM
This Leicester score isn't great.

Definitely need a win today. Tim needs to prove his motivation skills now.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: phantom limb on May 02, 2015, 01:24:06 PM
This Leicester score isn't great.
Not a big surprise though, Newcastle somehow look even worse than we did under Lambert.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Reuben on May 02, 2015, 01:26:47 PM
True, but currently during the pre match Tim just needs to say 'win today and we go above Newcastle'
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: villa for life on May 02, 2015, 01:55:29 PM
Now that they've won the game, Leicester to score a couple more, please.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Tuscans on May 02, 2015, 01:56:12 PM
This Leicester score isn't great.

Definitely need a win today. Tim needs to prove his motivation skills now.
I'm pretty sure he's shown that in abundance since he took over.

It's down to the players now.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 02, 2015, 04:55:07 PM
I assume Newcastle fans version of this thread is blowing up right now. Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: usav on May 02, 2015, 04:55:57 PM
I assume Newcastle fans version of this thread is blowing up right now. Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch.
Especially after they took the piss out of us a few weeks ago......
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: TheMalandro on May 02, 2015, 04:56:24 PM
I assume Newcastle fans version of this thread is blowing up right now. Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch.

too busy punching horses
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: passitsideways on May 02, 2015, 04:58:20 PM
Pity we fucked up and gave them the three points in our last matchup. They were piss-poor that day as well.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: aj2k77 on May 02, 2015, 04:58:59 PM
Brilliant result. I have no idea who is going but it isn't going to be us. 14 goals in 7 games. West Ham and Burnley at home what a turn around by Sherwood, deserves all the praise he's getting as well as the players who have come in for pelters.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: OCD on May 02, 2015, 04:59:24 PM
Shame Newcastle have got very winnable fixtures. Albion will roll over for them, QPR may well be down and West Ham probably won't show up on the last day.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: OzVilla on May 02, 2015, 05:00:16 PM
We're doing all we can do, shame other teams are also picking up points but the Barcodes are deep in it so this could work out wonderfully.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 02, 2015, 05:03:00 PM
Shame Newcastle have got very winnable fixtures. Albion will roll over for them, QPR may well be down and West Ham probably won't show up on the last day.

When you've lost 8 straight and your manager then goes and accuses a player of getting deliberately sent off any confidence or bond they might have had is gone. No game is going to be easy and every team will play off that. One goal is all takes to get them to fold. I really can see them going.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: aj2k77 on May 02, 2015, 05:05:11 PM
Plus if Albion roll over for Newcastle believe me a lot of teams are going to be on Albions tail. 37pts may not keep you up, they need something somewhere.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: OCD on May 02, 2015, 05:05:40 PM
Shame Newcastle have got very winnable fixtures. Albion will roll over for them, QPR may well be down and West Ham probably won't show up on the last day.

When you've lost 8 straight and your manager then goes and accuses a player of getting deliberately sent off any confidence or bond they might have had is gone. No game is going to be easy and every team will play off that. One goal is all takes to get them to fold. I really can see them going.

All the momentum's going against them at the moment. I would be very surprised if they didn't bring someone else in for the last 3 games.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: chrisw1 on May 02, 2015, 05:07:05 PM
Had an Albion fan say to me today..."well we're safe" followed by a silly chuckle. My reply was " yep you're safe.plus you're not going to Wembley,plus you're shit to watch,plus you're all small minded wankers who follow a small time football club who last won something when colour TV hadn't been invented plus you're an embarrassment to brummies because people outside the area can't tell the difference between brummies and fuckin half wits like you..! I didn't wait for a reply because I didn't have the time to wait for the idiots brain to start working.
How shit must it be to have your whole football entertainment revolve around how well you do compared to a local rival?  Must be so shit being a Baggie.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 02, 2015, 05:07:38 PM
Shame Newcastle have got very winnable fixtures. Albion will roll over for them, QPR may well be down and West Ham probably won't show up on the last day.

When you've lost 8 straight and your manager then goes and accuses a player of getting deliberately sent off any confidence or bond they might have had is gone. No game is going to be easy and every team will play off that. One goal is all takes to get them to fold. I really can see them going.

All the momentum's going against them at the moment. I would be very surprised if they didn't bring someone else in for the last 3 games.

The might but who is going to parachute in and make any difference now? Not saying it's not possible but it might just be too late now. At least I very much hope so.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: maidstonevillain on May 02, 2015, 05:09:48 PM
Pity we fucked up and gave them the three points in our last matchup. They were piss-poor that day as well.

Thought the same when I just looked at the table.  Had we won that we would be safe now.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: aj2k77 on May 02, 2015, 05:10:48 PM
Shame Newcastle have got very winnable fixtures. Albion will roll over for them, QPR may well be down and West Ham probably won't show up on the last day.

When you've lost 8 straight and your manager then goes and accuses a player of getting deliberately sent off any confidence or bond they might have had is gone. No game is going to be easy and every team will play off that. One goal is all takes to get them to fold. I really can see them going.

All the momentum's going against them at the moment. I would be very surprised if they didn't bring someone else in for the last 3 games.

The might but who is going to parachute in and make any difference now? Not saying it's not possible but it might just be too late now. At least I very much hope so.

The dream would be Carver getting the tin tack and Big Mike Ashley deciding to take over for a hilarious last 3 games. Or they did up Wor Al for more comedy gold and tears.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: thick_mike on May 02, 2015, 05:11:05 PM
Shame Newcastle have got very winnable fixtures. Albion will roll over for them, QPR may well be down and West Ham probably won't show up on the last day.

When you've lost 8 straight and your manager then goes and accuses a player of getting deliberately sent off any confidence or bond they might have had is gone. No game is going to be easy and every team will play off that. One goal is all takes to get them to fold. I really can see them going.

All the momentum's going against them at the moment. I would be very surprised if they didn't bring someone else in for the last 3 games.

The might but who is going to parachute in and make any difference now? Not saying it's not possible but it might just be too late now. At least I very much hope so.

Harry Redknapp will keep them up! :-D
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: maidstonevillain on May 02, 2015, 05:13:36 PM
Shame Newcastle have got very winnable fixtures. Albion will roll over for them, QPR may well be down and West Ham probably won't show up on the last day.

When you've lost 8 straight and your manager then goes and accuses a player of getting deliberately sent off any confidence or bond they might have had is gone. No game is going to be easy and every team will play off that. One goal is all takes to get them to fold. I really can see them going.

All the momentum's going against them at the moment. I would be very surprised if they didn't bring someone else in for the last 3 games.

The might but who is going to parachute in and make any difference now? Not saying it's not possible but it might just be too late now. At least I very much hope so.

Harry Redknapp will keep them up! :-D

Joking aside.  I wouldn't be surprised if Mike Ashley was thinking about it.  Probably the only throw of the dice he has left.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: OCD on May 02, 2015, 05:18:53 PM
The who is really their problem but I really can't see what choice they have. Today was probably their Hull.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Tom_Mc9? on May 02, 2015, 05:20:20 PM
I wouldn't be surprised to see McClaren in charge of Newcastle next week.

We can't go down - we're playing too well for it surely.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: aj2k77 on May 02, 2015, 05:21:31 PM
West Brom have Chelsea and Arsenal as their last 2 fixtures. They need something up at Newcastle.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: OCD on May 02, 2015, 05:23:36 PM
West Brom have Chelsea and Arsenal as their last 2 fixtures. They need something up at Newcastle.

So do Sunderland but they've also got Everton away and Leicester at home. With Leicester in-form, none of those will be easy.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: gnrpoison on May 02, 2015, 05:23:53 PM
With West Ham, Southampton and Burnley, I think we can get at least 5 points so hopefully we should be fine now.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: garyshawsknee on May 02, 2015, 05:26:06 PM
If we can't get 5 points from those 3 we deserve to go down. I can't see Newcastle getting another point.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 02, 2015, 05:35:06 PM
As it stands right now..

13   Bitters         34   -14   37
14   Aston Villa   35   -21   35
15   Newcastle    35   -24   35
16   Hull             34   -13   34
17   Leicester      35  -15    34
18   Sunderland  34  -22    33
19   QPR            35   -22   27
20   Burnley       35   -27   26

Remaining fixtures

West Brom
Man Utd v West Brom
Newcastle v West Brom
West Brom v Chelsea
Arsenal v West Brom

Newcastle
Newcastle v West Brom
QPR v Newcastle
Newcastle v West Ham

Sunderland
Everton v Sunderland
Sunderland v Leicester
Arsenal v Sunderland
Chelsea v Sunderland

Hull
Hull v Arsenal
Hull v Burnley
Tottenham v Hull
Hull v Man Utd

Aston Villa
Aston Villa v West Ham
Southampton v Aston Villa
Aston Villa v Burnley

Burnley
Hull v Burnley
Burnley v Stoke
Aston Villa v Burnley

QPR
Man City v QPR
QPR v Newcastle
Leicester v QPR

Leicester
Leicester v Southampton
Sunderland v Leicester
Leicester v QPR
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Jon Crofts on May 02, 2015, 05:35:29 PM
Only thing I'd ask for is that once we are indeed safe this thread and all threads like it are deleted and never ever raise their heads ever again.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: garyshawsknee on May 02, 2015, 05:38:21 PM
Looking at that, i can only see Sunderland getting one more point, even though they won today. If Newcastle lose to WBA i see them in real trouble too.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 02, 2015, 05:43:34 PM
Newcastle have got 38 points - they're safe.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 02, 2015, 05:49:06 PM
Newcastle have got 38 points - they're safe.

Either the beer is very good or you've taken it for granted they'll beat your second favourite team.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Reuben on May 02, 2015, 05:52:24 PM
Thing is though is that Chelsea have won the league, not sure how up for it they will be on the last day so am hopeful we won't have to rely on that fixture!  I am more confident of Arsenal in their games v Hull and Sunderland.

Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Villafirst on May 02, 2015, 05:54:48 PM
I thought Newcastle were now below us on 35 points?
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 02, 2015, 05:58:45 PM
If we can't get 5 points from those 3 we deserve to go down. I can't see Newcastle getting another point.

I have us ending on 42 and an FA Cup winners medal
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Legion on May 02, 2015, 06:00:05 PM
They are.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: garyshawsknee on May 02, 2015, 06:07:47 PM
If we can't get 5 points from those 3 we deserve to go down. I can't see Newcastle getting another point.

I have us ending on 42 and an FA Cup winners medal

Yeah, i don't wanna tempt fate, but i can't see us losing again, draw against Saints, win our two home games, and the momentum can carry us to the Cup Final.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 02, 2015, 06:08:00 PM
I thought Newcastle were now below us on 35 points?

And next week they play?
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Jon Crofts on May 02, 2015, 06:10:09 PM
I thought Newcastle were now below us on 35 points?

And next week they play?
If the bitter birds had 2 more points maybe I'd agree with you, but they aren't exactly safe either yet.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Villafirst on May 02, 2015, 06:20:14 PM
Sunderland have an horrendous run-in - away games against Everton, Arsenal and Chelsea and 1 home game left against in-form Leicester. I can see 4 points at best for them out of those games. Therefore, 1 win will do it for us.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Dave on May 02, 2015, 06:39:53 PM
As long as 20-1 in some places for us to go down now.

Newcastle as short as 9/2
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 02, 2015, 06:42:02 PM
Newcastle have got 38 points - they're safe.

I'm tempted to agree. In any case as long as Man. United can pull their finger out in the last half hour then it's feasible West Brom lose their last 4 games and them on 37 points will make it very tight.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Matt Collins on May 02, 2015, 07:02:20 PM
It's a bugger the other results went agin us but we're now in a much improved position. More sides below us. And if we go into the last week ahead of Sunderland we surely should be fine.

Newcastle have got pretty winnable games on paper but their form is so bad you wonder if they'll pick up more than a point or two.

I still think Sunderland will go, as long as they don't pull off a freak win at Goodson
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 02, 2015, 07:59:24 PM
Bloody hell it's a good thing we got a good result today today.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Villafirst on May 02, 2015, 08:00:43 PM
FFS - NEWCASTLE HAVE 35 POINTS!! Not 38.....
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Legion on May 02, 2015, 08:01:40 PM
I think you're missing Dave's point.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 02, 2015, 08:02:09 PM
It's getting very tempting to stick "R" next to QPR and Burnley. Looks like the Bitters are safe, they can have a parade now.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on May 02, 2015, 08:02:53 PM
Its between us, Hull, Leicester & Sunderland for the last spot. Newcastle will be fine. West Brom will gift them points.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Legion on May 02, 2015, 08:04:31 PM
No. Us, Leicester, Sunderland, Newcastle and Hull.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Richard E on May 02, 2015, 08:07:54 PM
I think today was merely a stay of execution for Sunderland
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 02, 2015, 08:07:55 PM
In the hope of tempting fate, Bitter FC have been removed for reaching 40 points

14   Aston Villa   35   -21   35
15   Newcastle    35   -24   35
16   Hull              34   -13   34
17   Leicester      35   -15   34
18   Sunderland  34   -22   33
19   QPR             35   -22   27
20   Burnley        35   -27   26

Remaining fixtures

Newcastle
Newcastle v West Brom
QPR v Newcastle
Newcastle v West Ham

Sunderland
Everton v Sunderland
Sunderland v Leicester
Arsenal v Sunderland
Chelsea v Sunderland

Hull
Hull v Arsenal
Hull v Burnley
Tottenham v Hull
Hull v Man Utd

Aston Villa
Aston Villa v West Ham
Southampton v Aston Villa
Aston Villa v Burnley

Burnley
Hull v Burnley
Burnley v Stoke
Aston Villa v Burnley

QPR
Man City v QPR
QPR v Newcastle
Leicester v QPR

Leicester
Leicester v Southampton
Sunderland v Leicester
Leicester v QPR
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Richard E on May 02, 2015, 08:10:07 PM
I'd say if we win next week and Sunderland don't beat Everton that ought to be enough to keep us up.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: LeeB on May 02, 2015, 08:10:31 PM
Fuck 'em all, because it's not us going.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Richard E on May 02, 2015, 08:10:56 PM
Fuck 'em all, because it's not us going.

Is the right answer.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Jon Crofts on May 02, 2015, 08:11:14 PM
I thought Newcastle were now below us on 35 points?

And next week they play?
If the bitter birds had 2 more points maybe I'd agree with you, but they aren't exactly safe either yet.
Clearly I spoke too soon the jammy inbreds.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 02, 2015, 08:11:43 PM
I'm not sure i'd ever stop loffing if Newcastle went down.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on May 02, 2015, 08:11:49 PM
Our run in looks a bit below average.

Newcastle's looks the easiest with WBA giving them the points & QPR probably already gone at that point.

Sunderland's looks the hardest.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 02, 2015, 08:12:14 PM
Bloody hell 6 points from Spurs, Citeh and Everton and we're still not out of it. One more win will definitely do it.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 02, 2015, 08:13:32 PM
It will be done next week. We play like we did today now way West Ham are staying with us. And Everton area great at home, so they'll do Sunderland. Also I'm going for the Bitters to beat Newcastle. Arsenal to win at Hull.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Villafirst on May 02, 2015, 08:29:17 PM
Have to go all out and beat West Ham, which should do it on 38 points.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: TheMalandro on May 02, 2015, 08:39:52 PM
FFS - NEWCASTLE HAVE 35 POINTS!! Not 38.....

I think you better spell out what you meant dave
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: OCD on May 02, 2015, 10:32:07 PM
Albion will roll over for Newcastle next week and Hull won't be easy for Arsenal.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Matt Collins on May 02, 2015, 10:35:15 PM
I'm not sure Newcastle could beat the baggies under 5 girls team at the moment
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: OCD on May 02, 2015, 10:43:50 PM
It might look a bit suspicious next week when Albion's under 5 girls team start kicking the ball into their own net due to Newcastle's ineptitude.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Ads on May 02, 2015, 11:09:25 PM
I have to say that my mind was cast to the scenes that greeted us as we left St James' Park at the end of Februrary as we walked down the Holte send steps today. I was smiling though, not laughing. Yet.

We've just played Spurs, Liverpool, Man City and Everton and scored 8 goals on our way to winning three and we are rightly aggrieved that we didn't win them all.

We need four points I think from the last three to be sure, but hopefully that can be 7-9.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: exigo on May 02, 2015, 11:13:25 PM
Bookies have us 20/1 against. Sunderland and then Newcastle favourites for the final slot.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: curiousorange on May 02, 2015, 11:38:43 PM
As much as I wish it, there's something undefinable I can't put my finger on that stops me thinking Newcastle will drop, like a freak win or a point from nothing. If they had two fewer points...

As for Sunderland, how Southampton didn't rip them a new one, I'll never know. That was one of the worst winning performances I've seen. There have been loads of undeserved wins in football, but for most of that game they looked like they were actively trying to lose.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 02, 2015, 11:41:17 PM
If Sunderland play like that against Arsenal or Everton or Chelsea they'll be beaten.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: curiousorange on May 02, 2015, 11:42:57 PM
If Sunderland play like that against Arsenal or Everton or Chelsea they'll be beaten.

I'm hoping Everton play better than they did today. I thought they were very poor. But Lukaku against O'Shea might be amusing.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Des Little on May 02, 2015, 11:45:02 PM
Still Hull or Sunderland for me. Newcastle can't lose another 3 games, it just won't happen...sadly!
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 02, 2015, 11:46:05 PM
If Sunderland play like that against Arsenal or Everton or Chelsea they'll be beaten.

I'm hoping Everton play better than they did today. I thought they were very poor. But Lukaku against O'Shea might be amusing.

They are a very different team at Goodison. They've been poor away but really strong at home.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: ozzjim on May 02, 2015, 11:55:46 PM
We deserved much more than we got at Newcastle. If we had got a point out of that, right now you would be looking at it thinking they are fucked. Ciise coming back though, almost certainly a different manager next week whoever takes over as Carver after his press conference today has basically made it untenable, and Albion bending over in the hope of hurting us.

I would LOVE us to still finish above that rabble, but an FA cup win would be nice.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on May 02, 2015, 11:58:04 PM
Only thing I'd ask for is that once we are indeed safe this thread and all threads like it are deleted and never ever raise their heads ever again.

Ill settle for a lock JC.  This thread has been my big break.  I've got loads of phone calls since I launched it.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on May 03, 2015, 12:04:36 AM
With three games to go you would have to be seriously unlucky for four teams to overhaul you with you in damn fine form as well.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 03, 2015, 12:12:10 AM
This is going to be a North East relegation scrap.

Who of the three joins Burnley and QPR, I care little.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Dave on May 03, 2015, 12:18:12 AM
This is going to be a North East relegation scrap.

Who of the three joins Burnley and QPR, I care little.
Definitely Newcastle. Far funnier and far less inclined to give us points than the others.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on May 03, 2015, 12:32:46 AM
Surely it's time for a steady hand to see Newcastle over the line?  I understand Mike has this evening picked up the phone to Joe Kinnear.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: ozzjim on May 03, 2015, 01:03:02 AM
They will rush through McLaren now won't they, which will probably see them pick up at least 1 win from their last 3. Mind you, Allardyce at Newcastle on the final day. He would enjoy relegating them more than probably anyone.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on May 03, 2015, 01:12:53 AM
They will rush through McLaren now won't they, which will probably see them pick up at least 1 win from their last 3. Mind you, Allardyce at Newcastle on the final day. He would enjoy relegating them more than probably anyone.

Don't make me hope. That would be so perfect :)
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: ozzjim on May 03, 2015, 01:16:37 AM
Oh, it would be the most amusing thing to happen since the last time the Geordie nation were relegated with Saint Alan as manager.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: ROBBO on May 03, 2015, 01:48:10 AM
The manager has lost the owner the supporters and the players, the supporters want to kill the owner and the players are getting themselves deliberately sent off. They are down.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on May 03, 2015, 02:16:02 AM
Isn't Cisse back for them next week.  It might just save then added to Smethwick lying down obviously.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on May 03, 2015, 02:22:35 AM
Then again.....

http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/newcastle-striker-papiss-cisse-facing-9155720
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Meanwood Villa on May 03, 2015, 02:40:18 AM
We will get more points than all of them because we are playing fucking brilliant. See also: winning the cup
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on May 03, 2015, 02:41:40 AM
Then again.....

http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/newcastle-striker-papiss-cisse-facing-9155720

Priceless

"And expanding on Manu Riviere’s situation and performance against Swansea, Carver said: “He’ll play, he will will start this weekend because he deserves to. He ran himself into the ground for us last week. When I took him off I wasn’t sure whether the boos were for him or me."
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: OzVilla on May 03, 2015, 07:37:45 AM
What's really nagging away at me is that'd we're playing great, picking up points and yet we are still deep in it.  Other teams round us (Leicester apart) are jamming their way to points like Sunderland and Albion both did yesterday and Hull have of late.

I just fear after several really great performances we've got a really shit one due and this isn't the time to have a shocker. A couple of poor performances and were in deep shit. There is still no margin for error, which seems almost unfair thy way we've been playing.

Can anyone talk sense and tell me its going to be alright please.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on May 03, 2015, 07:43:36 AM
I have the same feelings OzVilla. Just this horrible nagging feeling that after several seasons of us being dire and yet staying up, when we finally start to look really good we get an unlucky break and go down. :)

If it make you feel better the bookies think we have less than a 10% chance of going down. But yeah, I won't rest easy until we have another win. Then I think we can relax.

Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Villafirst on May 03, 2015, 07:48:39 AM
Sunderland will, in my opinion, get may be 1 point away at Everton. Can't see them getting anything at Arsenal or Chelsea. If they beat Leicester, which is no by no means a certainty, that would give them 37 points. So we probably need just one more win. Simple, isn't it? Not!
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: brian green on May 03, 2015, 08:36:56 AM
I too still harbour doubts that will not go away. The proprietor of the chip shop, a lovely Asian Brummie and Villa fan summed it up in a sentence worthy of Darren Woolley himself   "we have got the form but we haven't got the luck".
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: eric woolban woolban on May 03, 2015, 08:55:31 AM
I don't think teams deliberately go out and roll over so have faith Albion will get something next week.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: silhillvilla on May 03, 2015, 09:03:02 AM
Still think this will go to the wire.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Matt Collins on May 03, 2015, 09:14:57 AM
I think Albion faded badly when they thought they were safe. Pulls v keen to reiterate they're not safe yet tho whether the players believe that is another thing
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: brian green on May 03, 2015, 09:16:01 AM
As they say in racing it will go on the nod.
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Post by: olaftab on May 03, 2015, 09:16:44 AM
The doubt will remain till the fat lady sings however I don't think  four teams below us will ALL play better than us for the remaining games. This also means one of them will not get 36 points.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Villafirst on May 03, 2015, 09:25:00 AM
I still think one win against West Ham or Burnley will be enough, giving us 38 points. Can you see Sunderland getting another 5 points with their tough run-in?
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: silhillvilla on May 03, 2015, 09:25:48 AM
It would be nice to get it done pre-Burnley so we can rotate a few before 30 May.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: brian green on May 03, 2015, 09:48:19 AM
I have seen us relegated several times and if we go, it will be by far and away the best Villa team, on Sherwood not Lambert form, ever to be relegated. It would be massively unfair on Sherwood and the players but as we all know nothing in life is fair.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: silhillvilla on May 03, 2015, 09:51:27 AM
We are capable of another 9 points to get us to 44.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Villafirst on May 03, 2015, 09:59:08 AM
We are capable of another 9 points to get us to 44.

Yep, agree. They way some people are talking we won't get another point!
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Clampy on May 03, 2015, 10:00:48 AM
I thought yesterday was going to be the toughest game of the ones we had left and we've managed to get three points out of it so who knows what's going to happen? I think it'll be Hull who drop though. They don't seem to have many goals in them.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Clampy on May 03, 2015, 10:02:30 AM
I don't think teams deliberately go out and roll over so have faith Albion will get something next week.

The stripeyfilth getting a win at Old Trafford then losing to a team who've lost 8 on the bounce would be very unsurprising.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: brian green on May 03, 2015, 10:16:28 AM
I think you can bet your mortgage on Newcastle next week. They will have spent a week of such torrents of fan abuse they will not be able to wait to get on the pitch. Albion on the other hand will have spent a week of posing and preening and will not know what has hit them. I take Newcastle by at least two clear goals.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Jimbo on May 03, 2015, 10:19:19 AM
It's a game that both Newcastle and Albion will win.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Gregorys Boy on May 03, 2015, 10:37:11 AM
Win next week and I think it will be job done.  Even if we don't I am confiderent that we will be alright getting the points needed from the remaining games.  It would be nice to be safe a with a few games to spare :)
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Matt Collins on May 03, 2015, 10:41:01 AM
I feel very confident now. Hopefully Everton can beat Sunderland and if so I think we're nearly there

I do expect hull and Leicester to win next weekend tho so we could certainly do with beating West Ham still. We should be able to do that as long as we don't gift another couple of goals. Biggest concern is given on set pieces
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: maidstonevillain on May 03, 2015, 10:50:44 AM
What's really nagging away at me is that'd we're playing great, picking up points and yet we are still deep in it.  Other teams round us (Leicester apart) are jamming their way to points like Sunderland and Albion both did yesterday and Hull have of late.

I just fear after several really great performances we've got a really shit one due and this isn't the time to have a shocker. A couple of poor performances and were in deep shit. There is still no margin for error, which seems almost unfair thy way we've been playing.

Can anyone talk sense and tell me its going to be alright please.

No. I have exactly the same concerns as you.  We have no margin for a bit of bad luck, or a bad display.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: onje_villa on May 03, 2015, 11:09:07 AM
What's really nagging away at me is that'd we're playing great, picking up points and yet we are still deep in it.  Other teams round us (Leicester apart) are jamming their way to points like Sunderland and Albion both did yesterday and Hull have of late.

I just fear after several really great performances we've got a really shit one due and this isn't the time to have a shocker. A couple of poor performances and were in deep shit. There is still no margin for error, which seems almost unfair thy way we've been playing.

Can anyone talk sense and tell me its going to be alright please.

No. I have exactly the same concerns as you.  We have no margin for a bit of bad luck, or a bad display.

Me too, it would just be the ultimate disaster to be finally wakening up after 4 years of misery to a bright new dawn and then go down. I still think we'll be safe but it was interesting what Sherwood says "I think we'll have to win all 3" - I bloody hope not! Though like the idea that he wants to fight for every point.

Amazingly all the lower teams seems to have pretty decent fixtures, Newcastle are in a mess but you can't rule out them picking up a win in their fixtures, could really do with Everton beating Sunderland. That said we just need to do better points-wise than any one of four teams below us now and we're home.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 03, 2015, 11:17:08 AM
They will rush through McLaren now won't they, which will probably see them pick up at least 1 win from their last 3. Mind you, Allardyce at Newcastle on the final day. He would enjoy relegating them more than probably anyone.

McLaren is no miracle worker, Derby have completely bottled their end of season, didn't even finish in the play offs.

I've always felt we have a much better squad than Newcastle even when they were comfortably mid table under Pardew and we were second bottom under Lambert.

I remember when Padrew left Paulie came on here and said the Newcastle squad had actually been underachieving which was pretty amusing.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: TonyD on May 03, 2015, 11:19:40 AM
39 points is needed. 
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: TheMalandro on May 03, 2015, 11:21:38 AM
I wonder what the points gap between villa and Newcastle was at the height of Lambert's shiteness.
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Post by: Des Little on May 03, 2015, 11:23:41 AM
I can understand the apprehension of many on here, but I'd also ask the question...would you swap places or run-ins with any of our rivals?
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Chris Smith on May 03, 2015, 11:36:47 AM
What's really nagging away at me is that'd we're playing great, picking up points and yet we are still deep in it.  Other teams round us (Leicester apart) are jamming their way to points like Sunderland and Albion both did yesterday and Hull have of late.

I just fear after several really great performances we've got a really shit one due and this isn't the time to have a shocker. A couple of poor performances and were in deep shit. There is still no margin for error, which seems almost unfair thy way we've been playing.

Can anyone talk sense and tell me its going to be alright please.

No. I have exactly the same concerns as you.  We have no margin for a bit of bad luck, or a bad display.

But at the same time neither do the other teams.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: alan_clarke on May 03, 2015, 11:46:19 AM
I can understand the apprehension of many on here, but I'd also ask the question...would you swap places or run-ins with any of our rivals?

No we're in the best position of all 4 teams so im very confident but we still have to go out there and pick up the points
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Dave on May 03, 2015, 11:56:59 AM
39 points is needed. 
I'm pretty sure that we'll comfortably get more than that, but you reckon that both Sunderland and Hull are going to win two more of their matches?

I bet you that they don't.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: olaftab on May 03, 2015, 12:17:27 PM
It would be nice to get it done pre-Burnley so we can rotate a few before 30 May.
That is unlikely unless we win both games prior to that however we will be 99% OK going into that match.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Jimbo on May 03, 2015, 12:49:38 PM
It's worth noting that while some of the teams down there are scrapping for survival, we're playing our way to safety. Just as Sherwood said we would.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: silhillvilla on May 03, 2015, 12:58:01 PM
I honestly think we can win our 3 remaining league games if we keep players fit, get decent referees etc.
West Ham are on about their 4th two week all inclusive holiday now since February.
Southampton are running on empty after a superb season.
Burnley should be more or less gone by the time they come to B6 and again they are on empty now .
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Damo70 on May 03, 2015, 01:01:26 PM
It would be nice to get it done pre-Burnley so we can rotate a few before 30 May.
That is unlikely unless we win both games prior to that however we will be 99% OK going into that match.


I am mentally doing that childish thing where you put your fingers in your ears and go 'la la la, can't hear you' when anyone talks about it going to the last game. I refuse to allow myself to believe that it will. This 'ostrich' attitude served me well when people were talking about it going to the last game at Wigan a couple of years back. Although obviously my ostrich tendencies would clearly upset Nigel Pearson.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Big Dick Edwards on May 03, 2015, 01:03:16 PM
We're a form team, scoring goals, and have two very winnable home games left. We'll be fine.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: TonyD on May 03, 2015, 02:11:36 PM
39 points is needed. 
I'm pretty sure that we'll comfortably get more than that, but you reckon that both Sunderland and Hull are going to win two more of their matches?

I bet you that they don't.
They shouldn't but this has been a weird season. 
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Villafirst on May 03, 2015, 03:54:36 PM
I hoping Leicester beat Sunderland, which will make it very hard with Sunderland to face Everton, Aresenal and Chelsea away. Do you agree?
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: mike on May 03, 2015, 05:05:45 PM
I hoping Leicester beat Sunderland, which will make it very hard with Sunderland to face Everton, Aresenal and Chelsea away. Do you agree?

I've thought through so many permutations my head hurts. The ones I worked out weeks ago didn't involve Burnley beating Man City or Hull beating Liverpool though, so ultimately I know it's all pointless, not that that stops me. Just let this be over, finish the right way and never happen again. I seem to remember that's what Randy promised us when he sacked McLeish.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 03, 2015, 05:12:59 PM
I hoping Leicester beat Sunderland, which will make it very hard with Sunderland to face Everton, Aresenal and Chelsea away. Do you agree?

Yep. That game is Sunderlands's best chance of 3pts because those other 3 games are rock. If they need to win 2 out of those 3 to stay up they're doomed
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Matt Collins on May 03, 2015, 05:22:26 PM
I feel pretty confident now. The Spurs and Everton games were massive and 6 pts much better than I expected

Hopefully Everton regain their home form and do Sunderland on Saturday noon. That would really put us in the driving seat.

Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: exigo on May 03, 2015, 06:29:40 PM
I hoping Leicester beat Sunderland, which will make it very hard with Sunderland to face Everton, Aresenal and Chelsea away. Do you agree?

Yep. That game is Sunderlands's best chance of 3pts because those other 3 games are rock. If they need to win 2 out of those 3 to stay up they're doomed

Not that I think there's anything to worry about, but Mourinho's only home league loss in either spell as Chelsea manager?

Sunderland.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on May 03, 2015, 07:06:48 PM
I hoping Leicester beat Sunderland, which will make it very hard with Sunderland to face Everton, Aresenal and Chelsea away. Do you agree?

Yep. That game is Sunderlands's best chance of 3pts because those other 3 games are rock. If they need to win 2 out of those 3 to stay up they're doomed

Not that I think there's anything to worry about, but Mourinho's only home league loss in either spell as Chelsea manager?

Sunderland.

Sunderland have won 2 and drawn 1 of their last 3 games against Chelsea.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Richard E on May 03, 2015, 07:20:17 PM
I hoping Leicester beat Sunderland, which will make it very hard with Sunderland to face Everton, Aresenal and Chelsea away. Do you agree?

Yep. That game is Sunderlands's best chance of 3pts because those other 3 games are rock. If they need to win 2 out of those 3 to stay up they're doomed

Not that I think there's anything to worry about, but Mourinho's only home league loss in either spell as Chelsea manager?

Sunderland.

Sunderland have won 2 and drawn 1 of their last 3 games against Chelsea.
Which makes it all the more unlikely an absolutely dire team like Sunderland will keep that record up.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: silhillvilla on May 03, 2015, 07:32:45 PM
Here's my view of the table after next weekends games -

WBA 40
Aston Villa 38
Newcastle 38
Hull City 37
Leicester City 35
-------------------
Sunderland 33
QPR 27
Burnley FC 26

Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: olaftab on May 03, 2015, 07:35:30 PM
Here's my view of the table after next weekends games -

WBA 43
Aston Villa 38
Newcastle 35
Hull City 34
Leicester City 34
-------------------
Sunderland 33
QPR 27
Burnley FC 26


Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Monty on May 03, 2015, 07:41:06 PM
Pretty table you have there. One win might well be enough for us now - two I'm almost certain will.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Richard E on May 03, 2015, 07:50:03 PM
Here's my view of the table after next weekends games -

WBA 40
Aston Villa 38
Newcastle 38
Hull City 37
Leicester City 35
-------------------
Sunderland 33
QPR 27
Burnley FC 26



If they lose to Albion, Newcastle will only be on 35 points

Edit - sorry, see it's been corrected now.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: silhillvilla on May 03, 2015, 07:58:08 PM
I've got Newcastle on 38 if they beat WBA
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Post by: Richard E on May 03, 2015, 08:01:45 PM
I've got Newcastle on 38 if they beat WBA

Sorry, I was looking at Olaftab's version I think.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: olaftab on May 03, 2015, 08:07:02 PM
I think Albion will beat Newcastle however it's so long since Toons have won anything that  "even the blind squirrel" syndrome could apply. If a blind squirrel needs to find a nut it should poke it's nose in the shit so they may win at the Shithole.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Dave on May 03, 2015, 11:27:15 PM
I honestly think we can win our 3 remaining league games if we keep players fit, get decent referees etc.
West Ham are on about their 4th two week all inclusive holiday now since February.
Southampton are running on empty after a superb season.
Burnley should be more or less gone by the time they come to B6 and again they are on empty now .
A couple of weeks ago you told us that the Southampton match was a write-off and not even worth turning up for.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: phantom limb on May 04, 2015, 12:40:27 AM
If Albion roll over for Newcastle then there is no doubt what they are trying to do. If they do put out a load of beach towels and let the worst form team in the league waltz past them to score several goals then the FA should intervene and relegate them forever.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on May 04, 2015, 12:41:01 AM
You criticising him for trying to be positive now.  I disagree with most things he says but I think he is trying to see the light.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Reuben on May 04, 2015, 07:12:12 AM
It's good that Arsenal will be wanting to win in their games v Hull and Sunderland, having something to play for whereas perhaps Chelsea on the last day won't be that bothered.

Sunderland at best will get 5 points I think, and that seems unlikely...  I hope we have pulled away by the last weekend, I would hate to be involved in one of those 'relegation table as it stands' things flashing up on SKY every 10 minutes.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Matt Collins on May 04, 2015, 08:37:08 AM
Chelsea aren't going to roll over under mourinho I don't think

I think he'll want to win the league with as many points as possible

That's what I'm hoping anyway

That last week for Sunderland is just horrible - huge game against Leicester, then arsenal a, then Chelsea a - all in 8 days. It would be extraordinary if they pick up three results there. I just can't see it. They'll be physically and mentally drained
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Ad@m on May 04, 2015, 08:42:24 AM
I just hope we win on Saturday.

I can't see all the teams below us getting results so that would leave us at least 3 points clear with two to play and a better goal difference than a few teams. Whilst not mathematically safe it should be enough.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: silhillvilla on May 04, 2015, 10:22:08 AM
I honestly think we can win our 3 remaining league games if we keep players fit, get decent referees etc.
West Ham are on about their 4th two week all inclusive holiday now since February.
Southampton are running on empty after a superb season.
Burnley should be more or less gone by the time they come to B6 and again they are on empty now .
A couple of weeks ago you told us that the Southampton match was a write-off and not even worth turning up for.
At the time they were CL spot contenders.
That ship has sailed now.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Clampy on May 04, 2015, 10:35:54 AM
I honestly think we can win our 3 remaining league games if we keep players fit, get decent referees etc.
West Ham are on about their 4th two week all inclusive holiday now since February.
Southampton are running on empty after a superb season.
Burnley should be more or less gone by the time they come to B6 and again they are on empty now .
A couple of weeks ago you told us that the Southampton match was a write-off and not even worth turning up for.
At the time they were CL spot contenders.
That ship has sailed now.

You should never write a game off, regardless of where they are in the league.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: silhillvilla on May 04, 2015, 11:25:23 AM
Well, Yanited away  ;)
#rules
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 04, 2015, 11:28:23 AM
Hull losing to Arsenal tonight will help :)
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Des Little on May 04, 2015, 04:27:05 PM
If we win on Saturday and get to the stage where two of the teams below us need to win both of their last two games, then even I will relax.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Jon Crofts on May 04, 2015, 04:37:31 PM
Carver stays in charge for last 3 games, even mad Mike wouldn't have ditched him at this stage.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/32582358
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 04, 2015, 05:06:15 PM
If we win on Saturday and get to the stage where two of the teams below us need to win both of their last two games, then even I will relax.

QPR and Burnley already need to win every game to catch us. No one else can be that far behind us even if we win and they all lose this weekend. Sunderland would be 5 behind us with 3 to play, the others would be 3 or 4 behind us.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Legion on May 04, 2015, 05:12:03 PM
If we win on Saturday and get to the stage where two of the teams below us need to win both of their last two games, then even I will relax.

I won't.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: David_Nab on May 04, 2015, 05:16:12 PM
Carver stays in charge for last 3 games, even mad Mike wouldn't have ditched him at this stage.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/32582358

Quite laughable that Mclaren was an option after his Derby team imploded and went from automatic promotion to 8th conceding 10 goals in 3 games against the likes of Milwall and Reading !!
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: mr underhill on May 04, 2015, 07:43:19 PM
he might have to start dusting off that comedy gold Dutch accent again. The wheels came off the bandwagon big time in the last few months of the season ; I still think he's a much better coach than manager.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: silhillvilla on May 04, 2015, 07:45:42 PM
It's certainly another dent in mclarens cv
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Post by: Meanwood Villa on May 04, 2015, 07:59:50 PM
Looked at statto earlier and Derby only won two out of their last 13 games, one of which was against Blackpool. That really is a pretty spectacular capitulation.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: myf on May 04, 2015, 08:22:16 PM
If Albion roll over for Newcastle then there is no doubt what they are trying to do. If they do put oIut a load of beach towels and let the worst form team in the league waltz past them to score several goals then the FA should intervene and relegate them forever.

I doubt pulis will want to be in charge of a team that loses to that rabble. Also, if they lose there's still a chance we could leapfrog them
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 04, 2015, 09:07:25 PM
Looked at statto earlier and Derby only won two out of their last 13 games, one of which was against Blackpool. That really is a pretty spectacular capitulation.

The other win was against Wigan.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 04, 2015, 10:02:30 PM
14   Aston Villa   35   -21   35
15   Newcastle    35   -24   35
16   Leicester      35   -15   34
17   Hull              35   -15   34
18   Sunderland  34   -22   33
19   QPR             35   -22   27
20   Burnley        35   -27   26

Remaining fixtures

Newcastle
Newcastle v West Brom
QPR v Newcastle
Newcastle v West Ham

Sunderland
Everton v Sunderland
Sunderland v Leicester
Arsenal v Sunderland
Chelsea v Sunderland

Hull
Hull v Burnley
Tottenham v Hull
Hull v Man Utd

Aston Villa
Aston Villa v West Ham
Southampton v Aston Villa
Aston Villa v Burnley

Burnley
Hull v Burnley
Burnley v Stoke
Aston Villa v Burnley

QPR
Man City v QPR
QPR v Newcastle
Leicester v QPR

Leicester
Leicester v Southampton
Sunderland v Leicester
Leicester v QPR
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 04, 2015, 10:04:34 PM
This weekend's fixtures for the clubs down there

Everton v Sunderland (early game)
Aston Villa v West Ham
Hull v Burnley
Leicester v Southampton
Newcastle v West Brom

Sunday
Man City v QPR
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Villa in Denmark on May 04, 2015, 10:09:47 PM
Looked at statto earlier and Derby only won two out of their last 13 games, one of which was against Blackpool. That really is a pretty spectacular capitulation.
Perfectly suited to the Newcastle job then. Seamless transition.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Damo70 on May 04, 2015, 10:23:07 PM
This weekend's fixtures for the clubs down there

Everton v Sunderland (early game)
Aston Villa v West Ham
Hull v Burnley
Leicester v Southampton
Newcastle v West Brom

Sunday
Man City v QPR





I think Everton will beat Sunderland and City will beat QPR. The other four are hard to call.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 04, 2015, 10:25:50 PM
This weekend's fixtures for the clubs down there

Everton v Sunderland (early game)
Aston Villa v West Ham
Hull v Burnley
Leicester v Southampton
Newcastle v West Brom

Sunday
Man City v QPR

I think Everton will beat Sunderland and City will beat QPR. The other four are hard to call.

We're beating West Ham.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: tomd2103 on May 04, 2015, 10:30:36 PM
If Albion roll over for Newcastle then there is no doubt what they are trying to do. If they do put out a load of beach towels and let the worst form team in the league waltz past them to score several goals then the FA should intervene and relegate them forever.

Hope they do, means we could well finish above them and burst their little "king of the Midlands" bubble.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Villafirst on May 04, 2015, 10:31:25 PM
Hope Burnley win at Hull or at least draw. That would make it very difficult for Hull with their last 2 games - away to Spurs and home to Man Utd.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 04, 2015, 10:34:07 PM
QPR and Burnley are now in the situation where they have to go for the win or they are down. By the end of the weekend 2 of the relegation spots could be filled.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: LTA on May 04, 2015, 10:38:37 PM
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-tim-sherwood-v-9180973

The comparison between us now and under Lambert is frightening.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: MONCABA on May 04, 2015, 10:38:46 PM
 Looking at those fixtures I would say Sunderland  are fu€ked  :)
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Marton on May 04, 2015, 10:39:07 PM
14   Aston Villa   35   -21   35
15   Newcastle    35   -24   35
16   Leicester      35   -15   34
17   Hull              35   -15   34
18   Sunderland  34   -22   33
19   QPR             35   -22   27
20   Burnley        35   -27   26

Remaining fixtures

Newcastle
Newcastle v West Brom
QPR v Newcastle
Newcastle v West Ham

Sunderland
Everton v Sunderland
Sunderland v Leicester
Arsenal v Sunderland
Chelsea v Sunderland

Hull
Hull v Burnley
Tottenham v Hull
Hull v Man Utd

Aston Villa
Aston Villa v West Ham
Southampton v Aston Villa
Aston Villa v Burnley

Burnley
Hull v Burnley
Burnley v Stoke
Aston Villa v Burnley

QPR
Man City v QPR
QPR v Newcastle
Leicester v QPR

Leicester
Leicester v Southampton
Sunderland v Leicester
Leicester v QPR


Remaining fixtures

Newcastle  (4 p)
Newcastle v West Brom (D)
QPR v Newcastle (L)
Newcastle v West Ham (W)

Sunderland (3p)
Everton v Sunderland (L)
Sunderland v Leicester (W)
Arsenal v Sunderland (L)
Chelsea v Sunderland (L)

Hull (3p)
Hull v Burnley (W)
Tottenham v Hull (L)
Hull v Man Utd (L)

Aston Villa (7p)
Aston Villa v West Ham (W)
Southampton v Aston Villa (D)
Aston Villa v Burnley (W)

Burnley (3p)
Hull v Burnley (L)
Burnley v Stoke (W)
Aston Villa v Burnley (L)

QPR (3p)
Man City v QPR (L)
QPR v Newcastle (W)
Leicester v QPR (L)

Leicester (6p)
Leicester v Southampton (W)
Sunderland v Leicester (L)
Leicester v QPR (W)

That would make Leicester jumping Newcastle the only change in the relegation battle...

14   Aston Villa   35   -21   35 +7
15   Newcastle    35   -24   35 +4
16   Leicester      35   -15   34 +6
17   Hull              35   -15   34 +3
18   Sunderland  34   -22   33 +3
19   QPR             35   -22   27 +3
20   Burnley        35   -27   26 +3
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Villafirst on May 04, 2015, 10:42:18 PM
A Villa win and a defeat for Sunderland at Everton would virtually make us safe.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: peter w on May 05, 2015, 03:59:07 AM
Mind you Phil Neville provided some good thoughtful analysis on the fight after Arsenal won last night and how its boiling up. To be fair to him, I, and I'll bet quite a few on here and elsewhere, hadn't quite considered this:

"I think Burnley and QPR are going to struggle, but the fight for the last remaining relegation place will go down to the last game."
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Matt C on May 05, 2015, 04:21:19 AM
Thanks Phil, for clearing that up.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: TheMalandro on May 05, 2015, 08:36:41 AM
I just had a browse on a Sunderland message board to gauge their mood and they mostly seem confident about avoiding relegation. What I also noticed is that even when they pen their thoughts they end sentences with 'like'.
Weird, like.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Clampy on May 05, 2015, 09:17:07 AM
I just had a browse on a Sunderland message board to gauge their mood and they mostly seem confident about avoiding relegation. What I also noticed is that even when they pen their thoughts they end sentences with 'like'.
Weird, like.

I think they're looking at Hull's fixtures as a cause for comfort but their last two games could well put Sunderland down like.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on May 05, 2015, 09:33:07 AM
Mind you Phil Neville provided some good thoughtful analysis on the fight after Arsenal won last night and how its boiling up. To be fair to him, I, and I'll bet quite a few on here and elsewhere, hadn't quite considered this:

"I think Burnley and QPR are going to struggle, but the fight for the last remaining relegation place will go down to the last game."
Thank goodness for his professionally perfect perception and insight.
Miraculous doesn't sum it up.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: mrastonvilla on May 05, 2015, 09:46:56 AM
I just had a browse on a Sunderland message board to gauge their mood and they mostly seem confident about avoiding relegation. What I also noticed is that even when they pen their thoughts they end sentences with 'like'.
Weird, like.

I think they're looking at Hull's fixtures as a cause for comfort but their last two games could well put Sunderland down like.

You're not wrong there marra
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: john e on May 05, 2015, 10:35:18 AM
I just hope that we can get another win at the weekend and hopefully put some clear daylight between us and another couple of clubs say 4/5 points with two games to play would be perfect scenario
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Gregorys Boy on May 05, 2015, 10:54:21 AM
Its a bit of toss up between Newcastle and Sunderland for the third spot I think.  Sunderland have not improved that much under Dick :) if any.  They do have really bad fixtures too, but then the weekend win was vital, it may be left to what others around them do.  Newcastle need to get something from West Brom on Saturday just to keep a bit of distance between them and the chasing pack.  With them it might be simliar to us in recent years where they are just hopeing that the others just arn't good enough to over take them.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Duncan Shaw on May 05, 2015, 11:05:33 AM
I just had a browse on a Sunderland message board to gauge their mood and they mostly seem confident about avoiding relegation. What I also noticed is that even when they pen their thoughts they end sentences with 'like'.
Weird, like.

I think they're looking at Hull's fixtures as a cause for comfort but their last two games could well put Sunderland down like.

I don't really understand why people think Hull's fixtures are that tough really.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: olaftab on May 05, 2015, 11:26:03 AM
If this weekend we lose and Necastle and Sunderland win and Leicester and Hull do not lose we are back in the bottom 3😊
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: chrisw1 on May 05, 2015, 11:28:40 AM
I'm torn between wanting us safe as soon as possible and wanting everyone to win but Newcastle.  Mainly because of Carvers 'that stuff stays with you' bollocks.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Diablo on May 05, 2015, 11:39:49 AM
I'm torn between wanting us safe as soon as possible and wanting everyone to win but Newcastle.  Mainly because of Carvers 'that stuff stays with you' bollocks.

My thoughts exactly. I found myself thinking how funny it would be for Newcastle to go down but then tried to mentally snap out of it considering we're only a few goals ahead of them. To be fair their fans are getting royally shafted, Ashley is a right tw@t and the whole Rangers thing on top of that - Jeez! If I wasn't mistaken I could of sworn I had some empathy twinges of sympathy for their fans and then I remembered how much they hate us and realised it must have just been the prunes I ate.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: AVH87 on May 05, 2015, 12:05:05 PM
I really can't see Sunderland getting anything at Goodison in the early game, if we then play like we did last weekend we should have too much for West Ham. If these two results go in our favour this weekend I really couldn't care how anyone else gets on.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: not3bad on May 05, 2015, 12:12:06 PM
What are the odds of West Brom "not turning up" against Newcastle?
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: UK Redsox on May 05, 2015, 12:12:18 PM
I'm torn between wanting us safe as soon as possible and wanting everyone to win but Newcastle.  Mainly because of Carvers 'that stuff stays with you' bollocks.

My thoughts exactly. I found myself thinking how funny it would be for Newcastle to go down but then tried to mentally snap out of it considering we're only a few goals ahead of them. To be fair their fans are getting royally shafted, Ashley is a right tw@t and the whole Rangers thing on top of that - Jeez! If I wasn't mistaken I could of sworn I had some empathy twinges of sympathy for their fans and then I remembered how much they hate us and realised it must have just been the prunes I ate.


Newcastle are the only team that I have genuine dislike for.


[EDIT - plus the New York Yankees, of course]
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: UK Redsox on May 05, 2015, 12:13:53 PM
What are the odds of West Brom "not turning up" against Newcastle?

The way things are going for them at the moment, Newcastle would still find a way to lose even if there were no opposition players on the pitch.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: not3bad on May 05, 2015, 12:18:44 PM
What are the odds of West Brom "not turning up" against Newcastle?

The way things are going for them at the moment, Newcastle would still find a way to lose even if there were no opposition players on the pitch.

Even worse than Villa were by Lambert's last game do you think?
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 05, 2015, 12:27:17 PM
We hadn't lost 8 on the spin, with a manager blaming players for being sent off deliberately. I'd rather have Lambert rather than Carver, that's how bad Carver seems.

Newcastle were 10th when Pardew left, since then their record is

PL17 W2 D3 L12 F14 A33 GD-19

That includes a cup defeat at Leicester in the 3rd round.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Jimbo on May 05, 2015, 12:48:06 PM
Don't forget, as abysmal as Newcastle have been recently, they still managed to beat us.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: UK Redsox on May 05, 2015, 12:50:03 PM
Carver acts/sounds like I imagine you lot** would if you were in charge of Villa

(**ie dedicated Brummie fans, rather than a southern glory hunter like myself)
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 05, 2015, 12:55:17 PM
Don't forget, as abysmal as Newcastle have been recently, they still managed to beat us.

and completely unjustified too. If Newcastle played us today they'd be happy walking away losing 3-0 like at the weekend. The ball simply wouldn't go in for us that day. It had nothing to do with that dope Carver and his sense of injustice at their relegation party at VP. They got lucky.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: not3bad on May 05, 2015, 12:59:14 PM
Don't forget, as abysmal as Newcastle have been recently, they still managed to beat us.

God is punishing them for that transgression.  Cheers Paul!
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: olaftab on May 05, 2015, 01:14:17 PM
Mind you Phil Neville provided some good thoughtful analysis on the fight after Arsenal won last night and how its boiling up. To be fair to him, I, and I'll bet quite a few on here and elsewhere, hadn't quite considered this:

"I think Burnley and QPR are going to struggle, but the fight for the last remaining relegation place will go down to the last game."
Excellent. Another gem from Philip alongside  many others. That's why he is where he is and we are where we are! Also the way he delivers it with authority and impressive tone, makes the hair in your nose spike up!

Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Lucky Eddie on May 05, 2015, 01:24:25 PM
Newcastle turned down by Shhhteeeev McLaren who's Derby side have been in similar form to the Geordies.

You couldn't make it up!
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: john e on May 05, 2015, 01:29:43 PM
Mind you Phil Neville provided some good thoughtful analysis on the fight after Arsenal won last night and how its boiling up. To be fair to him, I, and I'll bet quite a few on here and elsewhere, hadn't quite considered this:

"I think Burnley and QPR are going to struggle, but the fight for the last remaining relegation place will go down to the last game."

genuine insight right there
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: mike on May 05, 2015, 01:50:16 PM
If this weekend we lose and Necastle and Sunderland win and Leicester and Hull do not lose we are back in the bottom 3😊

I know you're probably only joking, but I actually wake up in the early hours thinking such thought.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: dave shelley on May 05, 2015, 01:53:59 PM
I used to like you Aftab!   ;)
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: olaftab on May 05, 2015, 02:04:57 PM
Haha....no worries Mike and Dave I posted a scenario that is very very unlikely.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: nodge on May 05, 2015, 03:01:25 PM
I don't usually care much about referees and where they come from but after Clattenburg's performance on Saturday I thought I'd have a look.  He's from Durham and is a Newcastle fan so he doesn't officiate at their games or Sunderlands by the looks of it.  He therefore clearly can't be trusted and shouldn't be involved in any matches involving any of the bottom 7 for the rest of this season. Just jokes, as the kids might say.  Interesting that he didn't ref an Everton game for about 5 years after his dodgy merseyside derby game in 2007ish.  Think he's got a soft spot for Liverpool, in 9 games they've played in the last 3 years when he's reffed they haven't lost, including 2 wins against us.   
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on May 05, 2015, 03:29:53 PM
We hadn't lost 8 on the spin, with a manager blaming players for being sent off deliberately. I'd rather have Lambert rather than Carver, that's how bad Carver seems.

Newcastle were 10th when Pardew left, since then their record is

PL17 W2 D3 L12 F14 A33 GD-19

That includes a cup defeat at Leicester in the 3rd round.

Indeed.  And was their last victory against Villa at home?  That is how bad we were under Lamb....Sher.....bert
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: brian green on May 05, 2015, 03:38:24 PM
I went to Yorkshire on the bank holiday to admire my three fine grandsons.  On the way back there was a five mile queue on the A1. A car with a wheel hanging off was the cause of it and there on the grass bank sat four Newcastle fans all in their shirts. A greater picture of misery would be hard to imagine.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: TheMalandro on May 05, 2015, 03:57:44 PM
I went to Yorkshire on the bank holiday to admire my three fine grandsons.  On the way back there was a five mile queue on the A1. A car with a wheel hanging off was the cause of it and there on the grass bank sat four Newcastle fans all in their shirts. A greater picture of misery would be hard to imagine.

shame you didn't get a photo, very appropriate image.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: dave shelley on May 05, 2015, 04:09:56 PM
I don't usually care much about referees and where they come from but after Clattenburg's performance on Saturday I thought I'd have a look.  He's from Durham and is a Newcastle fan so he doesn't officiate at their games or Sunderlands by the looks of it.  He therefore clearly can't be trusted and shouldn't be involved in any matches involving any of the bottom 7 for the rest of this season. Just jokes, as the kids might say.  Interesting that he didn't ref an Everton game for about 5 years after his dodgy merseyside derby game in 2007ish.  Think he's got a soft spot for Liverpool, in 9 games they've played in the last 3 years when he's reffed they haven't lost, including 2 wins against us.   

The way things used to work Nodge; was like this: Football League referee's were appointed fixtures based on their geographical locations, for example, a former league referee of the Referee's Association of which I was a member was a born and bred Geordie who lived in Sutton Coldfield.  He was never appointed to fixtures involving teams from the West Midlands area but got games involving teams from the North East.  I believe now, as then you have to state any allegiances to a football club you may have.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: nodge on May 05, 2015, 04:25:47 PM
I don't usually care much about referees and where they come from but after Clattenburg's performance on Saturday I thought I'd have a look.  He's from Durham and is a Newcastle fan so he doesn't officiate at their games or Sunderlands by the looks of it.  He therefore clearly can't be trusted and shouldn't be involved in any matches involving any of the bottom 7 for the rest of this season. Just jokes, as the kids might say.  Interesting that he didn't ref an Everton game for about 5 years after his dodgy merseyside derby game in 2007ish.  Think he's got a soft spot for Liverpool, in 9 games they've played in the last 3 years when he's reffed they haven't lost, including 2 wins against us.   

The way things used to work Nodge; was like this: Football League referee's were appointed fixtures based on their geographical locations, for example, a former league referee of the Referee's Association of which I was a member was a born and bred Geordie who lived in Sutton Coldfield.  He was never appointed to fixtures involving teams from the West Midlands area but got games involving teams from the North East.  I believe now, as then you have to state any allegiances to a football club you may have.

Cheers Dave, seems a fairly easy system to get around if you were that way inclined, like the ref in the book Oi Ref! but he was a Villa fan so he was okay.  I suppose you would need people who had not much interest in football but then why would they be a ref in the first place.  I've never seen so many people wound up by Clattenburg on Saturday and still wound up even though we won.  I usually come away from the game thinking the ref had a bit of a dodgy game only to watch it back on TV and you see a totally different side of it, but not on Saturday.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: brian green on May 05, 2015, 05:02:46 PM
They looked very tough Mal, especially the women and I am a cowardy custard.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: liam on May 05, 2015, 05:12:31 PM
I don't usually care much about referees and where they come from but after Clattenburg's performance on Saturday I thought I'd have a look.  He's from Durham and is a Newcastle fan so he doesn't officiate at their games or Sunderlands by the looks of it.  He therefore clearly can't be trusted and shouldn't be involved in any matches involving any of the bottom 7 for the rest of this season. Just jokes, as the kids might say.  Interesting that he didn't ref an Everton game for about 5 years after his dodgy merseyside derby game in 2007ish.  Think he's got a soft spot for Liverpool, in 9 games they've played in the last 3 years when he's reffed they haven't lost, including 2 wins against us.   

The way things used to work Nodge; was like this: Football League referee's were appointed fixtures based on their geographical locations, for example, a former league referee of the Referee's Association of which I was a member was a born and bred Geordie who lived in Sutton Coldfield.  He was never appointed to fixtures involving teams from the West Midlands area but got games involving teams from the North East.  I believe now, as then you have to state any allegiances to a football club you may have.

Cheers Dave, seems a fairly easy system to get around if you were that way inclined, like the ref in the book Oi Ref! but he was a Villa fan so he was okay.  I suppose you would need people who had not much interest in football but then why would they be a ref in the first place.  I've never seen so many people wound up by Clattenburg on Saturday and still wound up even though we won.  I usually come away from the game thinking the ref had a bit of a dodgy game only to watch it back on TV and you see a totally different side of it, but not on Saturday.

When you are a league ref you have to notify them of any club you or a family member have had a season ticket at, or own shares have a stake in etc... you can then not officiate those games. Was at a Q&A with Alan Wiley and he stated that last year, can't remember who he said he followed, but he still lives in the area and his daughter is a teacher at a local school near wolverhampton
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Tony Erdington on May 05, 2015, 05:31:41 PM
I don't usually care much about referees and where they come from but after Clattenburg's performance on Saturday I thought I'd have a look.  He's from Durham and is a Newcastle fan so he doesn't officiate at their games or Sunderlands by the looks of it.  He therefore clearly can't be trusted and shouldn't be involved in any matches involving any of the bottom 7 for the rest of this season. Just jokes, as the kids might say.  Interesting that he didn't ref an Everton game for about 5 years after his dodgy merseyside derby game in 2007ish.  Think he's got a soft spot for Liverpool, in 9 games they've played in the last 3 years when he's reffed they haven't lost, including 2 wins against us.   


The way things used to work Nodge; was like this: Football League referee's were appointed fixtures based on their geographical locations, for example, a former league referee of the Referee's Association of which I was a member was a born and bred Geordie who lived in Sutton Coldfield.  He was never appointed to fixtures involving teams from the West Midlands area but got games involving teams from the North East.  I believe now, as then you have to state any allegiances to a football club you may have.

Cheers Dave, seems a fairly easy system to get around if you were that way inclined, like the ref in the book Oi Ref! but he was a Villa fan so he was okay.  I suppose you would need people who had not much interest in football but then why would they be a ref in the first place.  I've never seen so many people wound up by Clattenburg on Saturday and still wound up even though we won.  I usually come away from the game thinking the ref had a bit of a dodgy game only to watch it back on TV and you see a totally different side of it, but not on Saturday.

When you are a league ref you have to notify them of any club you or a family member have had a season ticket at, or own shares have a stake in etc... you can then not officiate those games. Was at a Q&A with Alan Wiley and he stated that last year, can't remember who he said he followed, but he still lives in the area and his daughter is a teacher at a local school near wolverhampton




Good thread, I was one of those wound up on Saturday, the penalty was harsh, and clattenberg was very quick to award, evertons second goal was also dubious as the everton player definitely obstructed Given, Villa should put an official complaint into the FA, as we still won, and to complain when you loose can look like sour grapes.

Personally I have never seen clattenberg have a good game at Villa Park, this rubbish about him being one of the best, is just that, Rubbish.

Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on May 05, 2015, 05:49:33 PM
I don't usually care much about referees and where they come from but after Clattenburg's performance on Saturday I thought I'd have a look.  He's from Durham and is a Newcastle fan so he doesn't officiate at their games or Sunderlands by the looks of it.  He therefore clearly can't be trusted and shouldn't be involved in any matches involving any of the bottom 7 for the rest of this season. Just jokes, as the kids might say.  Interesting that he didn't ref an Everton game for about 5 years after his dodgy merseyside derby game in 2007ish.  Think he's got a soft spot for Liverpool, in 9 games they've played in the last 3 years when he's reffed they haven't lost, including 2 wins against us.   

The way things used to work Nodge; was like this: Football League referee's were appointed fixtures based on their geographical locations, for example, a former league referee of the Referee's Association of which I was a member was a born and bred Geordie who lived in Sutton Coldfield.  He was never appointed to fixtures involving teams from the West Midlands area but got games involving teams from the North East.  I believe now, as then you have to state any allegiances to a football club you may have.

Cheers Dave, seems a fairly easy system to get around if you were that way inclined, like the ref in the book Oi Ref! but he was a Villa fan so he was okay.  I suppose you would need people who had not much interest in football but then why would they be a ref in the first place.  I've never seen so many people wound up by Clattenburg on Saturday and still wound up even though we won.  I usually come away from the game thinking the ref had a bit of a dodgy game only to watch it back on TV and you see a totally different side of it, but not on Saturday.

It really was bad. Rewatching the game it was worse. Everyone has bad days but he genuinely came across as consistently biased against us. I hope it gets reviewed and he recognizes he had a very bad day then keeps it in mind the for the next time he refs us.

I do not dislike the bloke, I think he is capable is very good performances but he potentially cost us our premier league status the other day and he did it in a manner that suggested he really disliked our club. That is now a problem for his credibility, regardless of how he really feels.


Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Gerrin on May 05, 2015, 06:18:10 PM
On the subject if referees, I think we need to start worrying about the Cup Final ref John Moss, another dreadful mistake by him on Saturday, interesting to see if Burnley win their appeal.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: TheMalandro on May 05, 2015, 06:20:36 PM
They looked very tough Mal, especially the women and I am a cowardy custard.

You'll have to do some covert training.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 05, 2015, 06:21:05 PM
I only really care about who refs who make mistakes against us, and not against our relegation rivals. I call them friends.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Jon Crofts on May 05, 2015, 06:21:50 PM
They looked very tough Mal, especially the women and I am a cowardy custard.

Was it the Bacon family like?

Fatha Bacon
(http://thumbsnap.com/s/5eOYWacL.jpg)[/url]

Mutha Bacon
(http://thumbsnap.com/s/eTbVvwmp.jpg)[/url]

And Biffa Bacon
(http://thumbsnap.com/s/7Ub9f3Rp.jpg)[/url]
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: TheMalandro on May 05, 2015, 06:29:17 PM
They looked very tough Mal, especially the women and I am a cowardy custard.

Was it the Bacon family like?

Fatha Bacon
(http://thumbsnap.com/s/5eOYWacL.jpg)[/url]

Mutha Bacon
(http://thumbsnap.com/s/eTbVvwmp.jpg)[/url]

And Biffa Bacon
(http://thumbsnap.com/s/7Ub9f3Rp.jpg)[/url]

Like it. Like.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: adrenachrome on May 05, 2015, 06:40:47 PM
Here he is having a word in Craig Bellamy's shell-like back in the day.

(http://img.thesun.co.uk/aidemitlum/archive/01426/SNA2114D-280_1426258a.jpg)
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Post by: brian green on May 05, 2015, 06:59:38 PM
They were uglier than that, facially a cross between Harry Redknapp and David Platt and physically a cross between Jeremy Clarkson and Steve Bruce with a hint of Chewbacca.
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Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on May 05, 2015, 07:41:20 PM
Clattenberg's performance on Sat was strange - almost too one-sided to be true. He let Everton players hack down Delph and Grealish without even having a word at times and when Grealish was fouled twice within seconds just gestured to him to get up as if he was "diving"...he waved us to play advantage on at least two occasions when we had lost any advantage due to our play/momentum being broken up, Everton getting more defenders back/closer and Villa having lost players from the build-up.
As someone else said, he gave the penalty almost too quickly, as if he was looking for it - the only time Everton got into the box - and his failure to pick up on Coleman's "handling" of Given was almost a joke.
Having a pee after the game a young lad was making the point about Clattenberg's poor treatment of Everton a few seasons ago and that he was clearly trying to make up for it...then an old bloke said that he was "disgusted" at the worst, most one-sided display of refereeing he had ever seen.
We can't all be wrong and it's not sour grapes - we won!
I was amazed that the MOTD "experts" didn't pick up on it, but then they only watch such things that involve "big" clubs and would not want to be seen having a go at a ref...again!

Without a doubt he was strange/incompetent for the level he was reffing at.

Being informed that he comes from Durham partly helps to explain things! 
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Post by: silhillvilla on May 05, 2015, 07:45:39 PM
It was a shockingly corrupt performance.
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Post by: LeeB on May 05, 2015, 07:53:35 PM
They were uglier than that, facially a cross between Harry Redknapp and David Platt and physically a cross between Jeremy Clarkson and Steve Bruce with a hint of Chewbacca.

Ah, you mean like this:

(http://cdn1.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/uk/article30745410.ece/9c7b9/ALTERNATES/h342/2014-11-15_new_4668491_I1.JPG)
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Post by: john e on May 05, 2015, 07:57:27 PM
Newcastle wont go down,
 they have a piss easy run in, all three teams they play have nothing to play for
they wont lose them all
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 05, 2015, 08:19:20 PM
Clattenberg's performance on Sat was strange - almost too one-sided to be true. He let Everton players hack down Delph and Grealish without even having a word at times and when Grealish was fouled twice within seconds just gestured to him to get up as if he was "diving"...he waved us to play advantage on at least two occasions when we had lost any advantage due to our play/momentum being broken up, Everton getting more defenders back/closer and Villa having lost players from the build-up.
As someone else said, he gave the penalty almost too quickly, as if he was looking for it - the only time Everton got into the box - and his failure to pick up on Coleman's "handling" of Given was almost a joke.
Having a pee after the game a young lad was making the point about Clattenberg's poor treatment of Everton a few seasons ago and that he was clearly trying to make up for it...then an old bloke said that he was "disgusted" at the worst, most one-sided display of refereeing he had ever seen.
We can't all be wrong and it's not sour grapes - we won!
I was amazed that the MOTD "experts" didn't pick up on it, but then they only watch such things that involve "big" clubs and would not want to be seen having a go at a ref...again!

Without a doubt he was strange/incompetent for the level he was reffing at.

Being informed that he comes from Durham partly helps to explain things!

That old bloke couldn't have seen us get beat at Chelsea at the start of last season. That was the worse refereeing performance I've ever seen. Can't remember who it was now.

The worst single 'easy' decision got wrong was not sending Vidic off against us at Wembley, by Phil Dowd.

The monumental c***.

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Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 05, 2015, 08:19:54 PM
Kevin Friend iirc.
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Post by: silhillvilla on May 05, 2015, 08:20:14 PM
Newcastle wont go down,
 they have a piss easy run in, all three teams they play have nothing to play for
they wont lose them all
With all the furore this week I honestly think WBA will be a soft target for them
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Post by: clash city rocker on May 05, 2015, 08:29:21 PM
If Newcastle lose on Saturday then things both on and off the pitch will go from the ridiculous to chaotic at which point anything could happen in their final two games.
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Post by: silhillvilla on May 05, 2015, 09:06:12 PM
I'd absolutely love to see them go down again, mostly because of Mike Ashley , that man is scum. 
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Post by: Villafirst on May 05, 2015, 09:22:15 PM
This Saturday is key for us: all out attack from the off. Need the 3 points and hopefully Everton beat Sunderland, which will leave a 5 point gap which I can't see Sunderland overhauling with their run-in. We still have 2 more games to take at least 3 points
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Post by: nodge on May 05, 2015, 10:00:55 PM
I think Newcastle have hit rock bottom this week and all this stuff about meetings with players etc will galvanise them and they'll win.  They've got the added bonus of F*ckthe Albion coming to town to roll over for them.  Still think our best bet is Sunderland staying where they are. 
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Post by: Matt Collins on May 05, 2015, 10:18:08 PM
I tend to agree on Newcastle but then I thought they'd get a result v Leicester

I do think hull will beat Burnley (it's got 1-0 written all over it) and Leicester may well beat Southampton.

So although I'd have taken four pts from these two home games we really could do with another win and what a great chance we have.

Everton should have too much for Sunderland but you never know
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Post by: Des Little on May 05, 2015, 10:52:28 PM
I tend to agree on Newcastle but then I thought they'd get a result v Leicester

I do think hull will beat Burnley (it's got 1-0 written all over it) and Leicester may well beat Southampton.

So although I'd have taken four pts from these two home games we really could do with another win and what a great chance we have.

Everton should have too much for Sunderland but you never know

This. I think Sunderland are our best bet to lose this weekend. That said, we just need to keep winning and let the rest of them worry about us.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on May 06, 2015, 12:12:16 AM
I reckon after Saturday there will be a 5 point gap to Sunderland. With their game in hand being Arsenal you can consider them 5 points back of us with 2 to play. And with an inferior GD. It would take every dark lord and evil force of the universe to come together for us to go down after all that.
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Post by: ROBBO on May 06, 2015, 02:17:17 AM
I've got Sunderland down already 34 points max for them and thats where the money is going. I like the way Tim is getting the team to focus on the last three games it will be interesting to see if he keeps the same team if Gabby is fit.
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Post by: Goldie.7 on May 06, 2015, 02:20:07 AM
I tend to agree on Newcastle but then I thought they'd get a result v Leicester

I do think hull will beat Burnley (it's got 1-0 written all over it) and Leicester may well beat Southampton.

So although I'd have taken four pts from these two home games we really could do with another win and what a great chance we have.

Everton should have too much for Sunderland but you never know

This. I think Sunderland are our best bet to lose this weekend. That said, we just need to keep winning and let the rest of them worry about us.

Sunderland's current away form seems to be forming a pattern:

(http://i59.tinypic.com/2ex7vrs.jpg)

Lets hope it continues.
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Post by: peter w on May 06, 2015, 03:11:17 PM
Given Sunderland looked in a similar terrible position last season before picking up and winning games against (I think) Chelsea and arsenal I'm not counting any chickens. Plus I'm worried that we may be due a bad one...
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Post by: Steve67 on May 06, 2015, 03:33:42 PM
It wouldn't be untypical of Villa to lose a game many of us are expecting to win, particularly after beating Everton, when many were expecting a defeat!!  However, I think we are safe if we beat West Ham. Arsenal and Chelsea for Sunderland last two games. Not impossible, but highly improbable. Arsenal are still gonna be pushing for second place, so it keeps them honest.
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Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 06, 2015, 03:55:56 PM
As long as the players go out with the right attitude we should win. I don't think Sherwood is the type to let players get complacent after a few decent performances. Plus, they know they are playing for cup final spots.
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Post by: silhillvilla on May 06, 2015, 03:58:47 PM
Let's hope Everton bounce back and do the business in the early game v Sunderland. Then let's hope we keep this attractive attacking form going and Rip the hammers apart.
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Post by: Richard E on May 06, 2015, 06:38:47 PM
If we win then a Burnley win or draw at Hull would be a useful bit of insurance against a Sunderland resurgence.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on May 06, 2015, 07:16:24 PM
If we win then a Burnley win or draw at Hull would be a useful bit of insurance against a Sunderland resurgence.

I know I shouldn't have Richard but I laughed at your last two words there. And I wasn't laughing at you believe me. It will be the miracle of miracles if old Dicky gets them to bag results vs Everton, Arsenal and Chelsea. And put it this way how much we would we be shitting it if we had their run in, sat in the relegation zone.
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 06, 2015, 07:32:55 PM
If we win then a Burnley win or draw at Hull would be a useful bit of insurance against a Sunderland resurgence.

I know I shouldn't have Richard but I laughed at your last two words there. And I wasn't laughing at you believe me. It will be the miracle of miracles if old Dicky gets them to bag results vs Everton, Arsenal and Chelsea. And put it this way how much we would we be shitting it if we had their run in, sat in the relegation zone.

And their players.
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Post by: Richard E on May 06, 2015, 07:38:02 PM
If we win then a Burnley win or draw at Hull would be a useful bit of insurance against a Sunderland resurgence.

I know I shouldn't have Richard but I laughed at your last two words there. And I wasn't laughing at you believe me. It will be the miracle of miracles if old Dicky gets them to bag results vs Everton, Arsenal and Chelsea. And put it this way how much we would we be shitting it if we had their run in, sat in the relegation zone.

Yes, I should have put 'resurgence' in inverted commas. What I meant was 'Sunderland fluking a couple of skanky results.'
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Post by: peter w on May 06, 2015, 08:44:43 PM
As long as the players go out with the right attitude we should win. I don't think Sherwood is the type to let players get complacent after a few decent performances. Plus, they know they are playing for cup final spots.

They shouldn't even be thinking about Cup final spots. they should only be focussing on winning and staying up. we could easily come undone against Westham and Southampton leaving a game against Burnley. Which we should win. but jangling nerves and you never know. Thinking about Cup final spots and we're down already.
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Post by: Mister E on May 06, 2015, 08:50:12 PM
We want to be clear by the time we play Burnley ...
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Post by: Ian. on May 06, 2015, 08:51:31 PM
We're in excellent form as a team and some of the players, TC, Delph, Bacuna, Jack and Benteke are in superb form and high in confidence. If we can keep the mistakes at the back to a minimum we'll be 3 points better off after playing West Ham.
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Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on May 06, 2015, 08:55:22 PM
We want to be clear by the time we play Burnley ...
Yes please.

It would be wonderful to have sorted our survival by then and have a stress-free game before the Final.


And we'll need to reserve our energies for running round the Bull Ring...with the Cup....
;-)
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Post by: Rudy65 on May 06, 2015, 08:55:49 PM
I've got Sunderland down already 34 points max for them and thats where the money is going. I like the way Tim is getting the team to focus on the last three games it will be interesting to see if he keeps the same team if Gabby is fit.

He should. We look better without Gabby
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Post by: LeeB on May 06, 2015, 09:12:47 PM
We want to be clear by the time we play Burnley ...
Yes please.

It would be wonderful to have sorted our survival by then and have a stress-free game before the Final.


And we'll need to reserve our energies for running round the Bull Ring...with the Cup....
;-)

There's a part of me wonders if it would be better to have to go to the last day, because if we have a chance to get our foot off the gas we may be able to put it back down when we need to.
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Post by: Legion on May 06, 2015, 09:16:33 PM
No thanks.
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Post by: silhillvilla on May 06, 2015, 09:18:49 PM
I don't think anyone's foots coming off the gas with a cup final looming.
Just need to avoid key players getting injured or suspended.
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Post by: LeeB on May 06, 2015, 09:39:45 PM
No thanks.

We've spent so long on the edge, I'm scared of coming off.
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Post by: Des Little on May 06, 2015, 10:28:01 PM
No fcuking way!! Are you some kind of twisted sadist?
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Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on May 06, 2015, 11:00:37 PM
Go to the last game ?? Have you not had enough pain over the last few seasons ????????? wow !!
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Post by: mike on May 07, 2015, 12:13:30 PM
We want to be clear by the time we play Burnley ...
Yes please.

It would be wonderful to have sorted our survival by then and have a stress-free game before the Final.


And we'll need to reserve our energies for running round the Bull Ring...with the Cup....
;-)

There's a part of me wonders if it would be better to have to go to the last day, because if we have a chance to get our foot off the gas we may be able to put it back down when we need to.
We want to be clear by the time we play Burnley ...
Yes please.

It would be wonderful to have sorted our survival by then and have a stress-free game before the Final.


And we'll need to reserve our energies for running round the Bull Ring...with the Cup....
;-)

There's a part of me wonders if it would be better to have to go to the last day, because if we have a chance to get our foot off the gas we may be able to put it back down when we need to.
Do you sometimes stick pins in your eyes so that you can feel how nice it is when you stop????
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Meanwood Villa on May 07, 2015, 12:26:58 PM
I predict we'll be safe by 3 o'clock on the 16th and if not then by 5 on the same day.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on May 07, 2015, 01:24:45 PM
We want to be clear by the time we play Burnley ...
Yes please.

It would be wonderful to have sorted our survival by then and have a stress-free game before the Final.


And we'll need to reserve our energies for running round the Bull Ring...with the Cup....
;-)

There's a part of me wonders if it would be better to have to go to the last day, because if we have a chance to get our foot off the gas we may be able to put it back down when we need to.

I understand the sentiment, but disagree. We need to be clear by the last day.
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Post by: tomd2103 on May 07, 2015, 01:54:14 PM
I predict we'll be safe by 3 o'clock on the 16th and if not then by 5 on the same day.

We beat West Ham on Saturday and Sunderland lose to Everton, then I think we will be as good as safe.  They will need two wins from their last three games to catch us, two of which are Arsenal and Chelsea away.   
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Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 07, 2015, 05:28:42 PM
Give him a 10 year contract!

Quote
John Carver believes that he is "the best coach in the Premier League" as Newcastle prepare for the first of a defining run of games in their fight to avoid relegation.

The under-fire interim manager - who has won just twice since being appointed in December, and has lost his last eight games in charge - made the claim ahead of the crucial game against West Brom on Saturday.

Newcastle are just one point above the relegation zone and are confronting the serious prospect of a second relegation to the Championship in six years.

Carver has come in for ferocious criticism, particularly after publicly accusing Newcastle defender Mike Williamson of deliberately getting himself sent off in the recent 3-0 defeat at Leicester - an offence which means he will serve a two-game suspension.

But Carver - who has been told he will see out the season at St James' Park, after Steve McClaren turned down the chance to take over - insists his self-belief has not wavered, despite Paul Clement being one name under consideration to take over permanently this summer.

He said: "I still think I’m the best coach in the Premier League. That’s what I think. Now there’s nothing wrong with that. But I still do.

"If I have the right tools I can do the job. I’m doing the job to the best of my ability at the moment and I’ll continue doing that for the next three weeks.

"It is a tough time but if I walk around with my face on the floor it’s going to affect people around me.

“I never offered to resign, I never offered to walk away, I never offered to step aside, so contrary to what was in the media and on Twitter and different sources, once I'd had a conversation with Lee [Charnley] and knew what my position was, I was clear in my head on Monday morning that I was in this for the next three games to challenge the fight in front of us."

Carver also produced a copy of the handwritten letter of apology written by Fabricio Coloccini to the club's supporters, insisting it was not a PR gesture and deserved to be taken seriously.

Coloccini was involved in a bust-up with goalkeeper Tim Krul on the team bus following the defeat to Leicester last Saturday.

Carver said: “I’ve heard one or two people say it was a PR stunt by the football stunt. I have brought the letter with me, in his handwriting, in Spanish, signed by him at the bottom.

"This was the third draft he put together because of his grammar. That is the genuine letter, from his heart. The pleasing thing from my points of view, because people will question if we are up for the fight, the fact he wrote that letter proves to me he is up for the fight."

On his relationship with Williamson, Carver admitted he had learnt a lesson but insisted he was on good terms with the defender.

He said: “Me and Mike have had a good discussion – and again, that's going to stay private. Maybe I have learnt my lesson, but that's going to stay private.

“At the end of the conversation, we stood up, shook each other's hand, and Mike has been fantastic in training this week. All right, he's not available for the next two games, but he certainly will be for the last one.

“There are no hard feelings. Every morning, we have come in, we have shaken hands, looked each other in the eye and just got on with it because we are professional.

I have in my hand a piece of paper

(http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/03295/letter_3295303b.jpg)
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on May 07, 2015, 05:37:45 PM

I have in my hand a piece of paper

(http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/03295/letter_3295303b.jpg)

Cant breathe, too much laughter.

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Post by: CJ on May 07, 2015, 06:22:01 PM
He's a bigger twat than I thought he was. I didn't think that was possible.
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Post by: Des Little on May 07, 2015, 06:33:04 PM
The whole thing is fantastic.  What a joke club.
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Post by: TheMalandro on May 07, 2015, 07:37:05 PM
He should get mickey Quinn as assistant manager
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Post by: olaftab on May 09, 2015, 10:08:06 AM
A Burnley win against Hull will do very nicely.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: TheMalandro on May 09, 2015, 10:10:40 AM
I've done well so far this weekend. I'm only just starting to feel anxious about the football.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: peter w on May 09, 2015, 10:27:44 AM
Obviously us winning is the starting point but...Hull to lose at home to Burnley and have many permutations Leicester not to win, or probably best, Newcastle to win. Even if we lost today Leicester would be still then be a point behind with 2 games to go. The Sunderland result goes without saying.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: peter w on May 09, 2015, 10:36:49 AM
I thought it was Newcastle v Leicester...suffice to say I now want both leicester and Newcastle to lose
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Post by: SoccerHQ on May 09, 2015, 10:51:33 AM
Have a good feeling that at least one of the other clubs down there won't win today.

Southampton need to pull their finger out and make sure they don't lose to a second relegation contender inside a week...model club for us to follow of course.

I also have a feeling the pressure will get to Hull given their last two games and they'll only draw at home to Burnley.

Newcastle-West Brom should be a draw today aswell although West Brom always roll over to relegation threatened teams when we're down there.
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Post by: richard moore on May 09, 2015, 10:54:31 AM
Have a good feeling that at least one of the other clubs down there won't win today.

Southampton need to pull their finger out and make sure they don't lose to a second relegation contender inside a week...model club for us to follow of course.

I also have a feeling the pressure will get to Hull given their last two games and they'll only draw at home to Burnley.

Newcastle-West Brom should be a draw today aswell although West Brom always roll over to relegation threatened teams when we're down there.

Exciting isn't it, if for the slightly wrong reasons. I am asking myself if I actually prefer this to the mid table mediocrity that, say, Spurs fans have to put up with every season and which makes them so terribly dull and boring... ;-)
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Post by: SoccerHQ on May 09, 2015, 10:57:11 AM
No no give me a mid table season of 50 points where nothing happens and we're never in any danger of going down next season please.

I'd sign up right now to have a season like Swansea or Stoke have had this year, both have had still good results and of course 10-15 extra points means we still win more games and score more goals than we have been doing...
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Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 09, 2015, 11:10:18 AM
Nah, this is way more fun!




/runs
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Post by: PaulWinch again on May 09, 2015, 11:31:42 AM
Right if Everton could beat Sunderland at lunch time that'd be nice.
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Post by: TheMalandro on May 09, 2015, 12:04:24 PM
Right if Everton could beat Sunderland at lunch time that'd be nice.

unfortunately John O'Slow is injured, fortunately Sunderland have the capable Wes Brown to fill in.
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Post by: edgysatsuma89 on May 09, 2015, 12:52:37 PM
Nah, this is way more fun!




/runs

I obviously would rather be fighting for the European places, but it must be pretty boring for the likes of Swansea and Stoke. What is there to get excited about?
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 09, 2015, 02:03:18 PM
Fucking Everton.
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Post by: Le Lapin on May 09, 2015, 02:58:30 PM
We are right back into the melting pot again.


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Post by: Dave on May 09, 2015, 04:53:46 PM
Well, that's that.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on May 09, 2015, 04:54:00 PM
Big result for us today.
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Post by: Monty on May 09, 2015, 04:54:29 PM
Pretty much. If Hull lose once more we're safe.
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Post by: supertom on May 09, 2015, 04:56:37 PM
No way are Hull gonna win their last 2. Not a chance, even in a year as bonkers as this. Think we can relax a little. Should be done and dusted by the Southampton game.
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Post by: OCD on May 09, 2015, 05:04:30 PM
Tottenham away and Man Utd at home are the last 2 games for Hull.
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Post by: supertom on May 09, 2015, 05:07:23 PM
Tottenham away and Man Utd at home are the last 2 games for Hull.
If they're lucky they'll get a couple of points from those games.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: old man villa fan on May 09, 2015, 05:12:18 PM
Have a good feeling that at least one of the other clubs down there won't win today.

Southampton need to pull their finger out and make sure they don't lose to a second relegation contender inside a week...model club for us to follow of course.

I also have a feeling the pressure will get to Hull given their last two games and they'll only draw at home to Burnley.

Newcastle-West Brom should be a draw today aswell although West Brom always roll over to relegation threatened teams when we're down there.

What are the lottery numbers for tonight
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Post by: ChicagoLion on May 09, 2015, 06:02:41 PM


Newcastle

QPR v Newcastle QPR Win
Newcastle v West Ham Draw

Sunderland

Sunderland v Leicester Draw
Arsenal v Sunderland Arse win
Chelsea v Sunderland Ches win

Hull

Tottenham v Hull Draw
Hull v Man Utd Draw

Aston Villa

Southampton v Aston Villa Draw
Aston Villa v Burnley V Win



QPR
Man City v QPR  Citeh win
QPR v Newcastle QPR Win
Leicester v QPR Draw

Leicester

Sunderland v Leicester Draw
Leicester v QPR Draw
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Duncan Shaw on May 09, 2015, 06:10:40 PM
Just a point to note, West Brom have got Chelsea and Arsenal as their last two, can't see them getting a point.  Think we'll finish above them.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Matt Collins on May 09, 2015, 06:27:30 PM
I think hull might beat Spurs actually. They're well on the beach

I'm sure we'll be absolutely fine still. Not least as I think we'll beat soton
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 09, 2015, 06:28:36 PM
So if I'm reading it right...if we just pick up 1 point in the next two Hull have to beat Spurs away AND Man. United to finish above us?

Never mind the lottery, a tenner on that and it actually happening would win you a fair bet I'd imagine.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: ChicagoLion on May 09, 2015, 06:32:37 PM
So if I'm reading it right...if we just pick up 1 point in the next two Hull have to beat Spurs away AND Man. United to finish above us?

Never mind the lottery, a tenner on that and it actually happening would win you a fair bet I'd imagine.
Yep they would need 5 points from 2 games which means they would need to win them both.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 09, 2015, 06:37:45 PM
I really want Allardyce to relegate Newcastle on the last day of the season. What a great story that would be.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Rudy65 on May 09, 2015, 06:53:32 PM
I really want Allardyce to relegate Newcastle on the last day of the season. What a great story that would be.

Me too

I quite like Steve Bruce. There I've said it
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on May 09, 2015, 06:56:46 PM
We need to match Hull's result next week and it's done.  Looking back at my opening post, it is quite incredible to think we are at 38 points already - which is where I hoped we would finish up.  The transformation has been nothing short of a miracle really.  Just think back to how bad the situation was after the Hull game.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on May 09, 2015, 06:57:41 PM
Call me daft but I predict  18 points from our remaining 12 games.

No one is calling you daft now Sir.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 09, 2015, 06:59:06 PM
We need to match Hull's result next week and it's done.

So if they lose we should?





*WINKY*

Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: olaftab on May 09, 2015, 06:59:27 PM
Like to see Newcastle and Hull both lose next week and than Hull win and Newcastle defeat will relegate Newcastle and we can have a fun day v Burnley.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on May 09, 2015, 06:59:59 PM
We need to match Hull's result next week and it's done.

So if they lose we should?





*WINKY*



Yes we cannot possibly go for the win :-)
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 09, 2015, 07:10:44 PM
14   Aston Villa   36   -20   38
15   Leicester      36   -13   37
16   Sunderland  35   -20   36
17   Newcastle    36   -24   36
18   Hull              36   -16   34
19   Burnley        36   -26   29 Relegated
20   QPR             35   -22   27

Remaining fixtures

Newcastle
QPR v Newcastle
Newcastle v West Ham

Sunderland
Sunderland v Leicester
Arsenal v Sunderland
Chelsea v Sunderland

Hull
Tottenham v Hull
Hull v Man Utd

Aston Villa
Southampton v Aston Villa
Aston Villa v Burnley

Burnley
Burnley v Stoke
Aston Villa v Burnley

QPR
Man City v QPR
QPR v Newcastle
Leicester v QPR

Leicester
Sunderland v Leicester
Leicester v QPR
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 09, 2015, 07:12:33 PM
So QPR will be gone tomorrow. I really want it to be Newcastle that goes.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 09, 2015, 07:17:20 PM
So QPR will be gone tomorrow. I really want it to be Newcastle that goes.

Was not relegating them in 2009 not enough to fill a lifetime?

I usually to really despise Newcastle around the time but that was enough for me and I honestly couldn't care less about them now whether they stay up or go.

It is very amusing though they still haven't got over how we celebrated their demise that day.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Legion on May 09, 2015, 07:18:36 PM
As long as it is not us, I no longer care who goes down.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 09, 2015, 07:20:09 PM
So QPR will be gone tomorrow. I really want it to be Newcastle that goes.

Was not relegating them in 2009 not enough to fill a lifetime?

I usually to really despise Newcastle around the time but that was enough for me and I honestly couldn't care less about them now whether they stay up or go.

It is very amusing though they still haven't got over how we celebrated their demise that day.

Absolutely not Soccer. I just think for what Carver said about us but mainly because how their fans treated Allardyce while he was up there, it would be sweet justice for West Ham to win and send them down.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Dan England on May 09, 2015, 07:26:38 PM
Cannot realistically see us as anything but safe now.  More points and finishing 11 or 12 would be the boost needed before the cherry of the fa cup proves Sherwoods genius!
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 09, 2015, 07:26:48 PM
Oh yes I would be up for that aswell but think Hull losing has reduced that significantly.

Still need to look after number one so Hull losing was very good news for us.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 09, 2015, 07:34:17 PM
Oh yes I would be up for that aswell but think Hull losing has reduced that significantly.

Still need to look after number one so Hull losing was very good news for us.

For sure and off course at the end of the day if they stay up and we haven't gone down then that's the main thing. But it would be so very funny if it happened that way.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: UK Redsox on May 09, 2015, 07:36:02 PM
So QPR will be gone tomorrow. I really want it to be Newcastle that goes.

Was not relegating them in 2009 not enough to fill a lifetime?

I usually to really despise Newcastle around the time but that was enough for me and I honestly couldn't care less about them now whether they stay up or go.

It is very amusing though they still haven't got over how we celebrated their demise that day.

Absolutely not Soccer. I just think for what Carver said about us but mainly because how their fans treated Allardyce while he was up there, it would be sweet justice for West Ham to win and send them down.

I listened to Carver's post match interview on da Beeb. I didn't think that anything could make me dislike Newcastle more than I do already but he's succeeded. He's an arrogant knob of the highest order who thinks that he's funnier and better than everyone else. And as for that referring  to himself in the third person. WTFs all that about.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: john e on May 09, 2015, 07:38:41 PM
if we lose next week and Hull don't it goes down to the final game
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 09, 2015, 07:41:01 PM
So QPR will be gone tomorrow. I really want it to be Newcastle that goes.

Was not relegating them in 2009 not enough to fill a lifetime?

I usually to really despise Newcastle around the time but that was enough for me and I honestly couldn't care less about them now whether they stay up or go.

It is very amusing though they still haven't got over how we celebrated their demise that day.

Absolutely not Soccer. I just think for what Carver said about us but mainly because how their fans treated Allardyce while he was up there, it would be sweet justice for West Ham to win and send them down.

I listened to Carver's post match interview on da Beeb. I didn't think that anything could make me dislike Newcastle more than I do already but he's succeeded. He's an arrogant knob of the highest order who thinks that he's funnier and better than everyone else. And as for that referring  to himself in the third person. WTFs all that about.

Mate he's a complete cock. Remember he was shit as manager of Toronto FC so we got our fair share of utter Carver bollocks. Then just the other day he said he considers himself the best coach in the PL. Like fucking stay humble while your team has lost 8 straight under your watch because clearly you're a lot shitter at this football thing than you think.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: silhillvilla on May 09, 2015, 08:08:58 PM
Sadly I think Newcastle will escape now with that point today. Hull are gone
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 09, 2015, 08:11:17 PM
Sadly I think Newcastle will escape now with that point today. Hull are gone

Just been trying to gee up my Hull supporting relative. He's not having it.

Pointed out that they need to get something out of two difficult remaining games and hope other things go their way. Is convinced they're gone. Have to say, I think he's right. Although I obv didn't say that.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: exigo on May 09, 2015, 08:12:05 PM
Well that just about confirms that the Cup Final will be between the top two sides in the country according to the league table.

Arsenal     P0 W0 D0 L0 Pts 0
Aston Villa P0 W0 D0 L0 Pts 0
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on May 09, 2015, 08:12:54 PM
So QPR will be gone tomorrow. I really want it to be Newcastle that goes.

Was not relegating them in 2009 not enough to fill a lifetime?

I usually to really despise Newcastle around the time but that was enough for me and I honestly couldn't care less about them now whether they stay up or go.

It is very amusing though they still haven't got over how we celebrated their demise that day.

Its like travelling first class. Once you get a taste you want more. :)
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 09, 2015, 08:13:07 PM
if we lose next week and Hull don't it goes down to the final game

We're not going down.

For that to happen, bar the bottom two, every one of the clubs below us needs to finish above us.

It isn't mathematically safe, but it is as safe as can be.

Anyone worried could get 70/1 or so if they poke around the bookies.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: LukeJames on May 09, 2015, 08:13:25 PM
Well that just about confirms that the Cup Final will be between the top two sides in the country according to the league table.

Arsenal     P0 W0 D0 L0 Pts 0
Aston Villa P0 W0 D0 L0 Pts 0

Top 3.. AFC Bournemouth  ;D
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Des Little on May 09, 2015, 10:10:40 PM
if we lose next week and Hull don't it goes down to the final game

Winner of the glass half empty of the day award.

Grow a pair.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 09, 2015, 10:12:54 PM
When we win next week we can lock the thread.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on May 09, 2015, 11:12:23 PM
This has been my big break on this site.  Can we lock after we've won the cup? :-)
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: olaftab on May 09, 2015, 11:37:07 PM
Lock it now. It's not relevant anymore.🌅
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Meanwood Villa on May 09, 2015, 11:52:07 PM
I've got a feeling Hull will win one of their last two and stay up but it certainly won't  be at our expense.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on May 09, 2015, 11:57:36 PM
It looks like Spurs are on the beach/avoiding the Europa League; so I wouldn't be surprised if Hull beat them.

Man U aren't exactly tearing things up either- so it's feasible they could get a point.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Matt Collins on May 10, 2015, 12:01:13 AM
I think we're fine now but I think hull could well beat Spurs

Happily I think we'll have already beaten Southampton by that stage
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 10, 2015, 01:40:39 AM
How tough has this relegation battle been? We've been playing great and been getting fine results, but we're still not definitely safe. I think we will be, but had Lambert remained in charge we'd be long gone.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: olaftab on May 10, 2015, 08:14:27 AM
I think we're fine now but I think hull could well beat Spurs

Happily I think we'll have already beaten Southampton by that stage
Southampton have lost two so unlikely to lose three in a row as they will regroup for their last home game. I think we will get a point however Hull will lose to Spurs.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Richard E on May 10, 2015, 08:24:37 AM
Hull just lost at home to Burnley! They aren't going to avoid defeat in at least one of their last two games. Even if we lose next weekend there will be at least two of Hull, Leicester and Sunderland below us with a home game against an already relegated team to come. Nothing to worry about.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Richard E on May 10, 2015, 08:25:59 AM
Also, Hull have never won a Premier League game in May.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on May 10, 2015, 08:29:14 AM
Hull just lost at home to Burnley! They aren't going to avoid defeat in at least one of their last two games. Even if we lose next weekend there will be at least two of Hull, Leicester and Sunderland below us with a home game against an already relegated team to come. Nothing to worry about.

Until is mathematically impossible I cannot rest
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: PeterWithe on May 10, 2015, 08:51:54 AM
I just wish everyone else would stop fucking winning and return to being shite.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: PeterWithe on May 10, 2015, 09:07:06 AM
So QPR will be gone tomorrow. I really want it to be Newcastle that goes.

Was not relegating them in 2009 not enough to fill a lifetime?

I usually to really despise Newcastle around the time but that was enough for me and I honestly couldn't care less about them now whether they stay up or go.

It is very amusing though they still haven't got over how we celebrated their demise that day.

Absolutely not Soccer. I just think for what Carver said about us but mainly because how their fans treated Allardyce while he was up there, it would be sweet justice for West Ham to win and send them down.

I listened to Carver's post match interview on da Beeb. I didn't think that anything could make me dislike Newcastle more than I do already but he's succeeded. He's an arrogant knob of the highest order who thinks that he's funnier and better than everyone else. And as for that referring  to himself in the third person. WTFs all that about.

I had to double check Newcastle's result after hearing Carvers interview, they got a point, at home, to Albion, not a win at the Nou Camp.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 10, 2015, 09:48:21 AM
It looks like Spurs are on the beach/avoiding the Europa League; so I wouldn't be surprised if Hull beat them.

Man U aren't exactly tearing things up either- so it's feasible they could get a point.

Why don't teams who don't want to play in the Europa League just qualify for it anyway and then play their reserves in it? Good experience for them.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: silhillvilla on May 10, 2015, 09:54:28 AM
It looks like Spurs are on the beach/avoiding the Europa League; so I wouldn't be surprised if Hull beat them.

Man U aren't exactly tearing things up either- so it's feasible they could get a point.

Why don't teams who don't want to play in the Europa League just qualify for it anyway and then play their reserves in it? Good experience for them.
Don't you get fined for playing weakened team
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: dave shelley on May 10, 2015, 10:18:45 AM
I don't think we did after Moscow did we?  We certainly paid for it in other ways though.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: spk on May 10, 2015, 10:22:37 AM
yeah,it would be great experience for the younger lads or a second string 11,make Thursday nights a tenner to get in in those stupid group stages and it could work.Such a shame its not just a straight knock out trophy.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Matt Collins on May 10, 2015, 03:17:15 PM
Looking at QPR today I think you can just add three points to the Leicester and Newcastle tallies already.

And no thanks to caulker on this evidence please.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: supertom on May 10, 2015, 03:23:20 PM
I don't think we did after Moscow did we?  We certainly paid for it in other ways though.
Kozak would be ideal for the Europa. He'll score you goals in those games as he showed for Lazio.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: ez on May 10, 2015, 03:31:45 PM
I can see us getting something at Southampton. No win in 4 games for them. Maybe they are also anxious to avoid the Europa league.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Matt Collins on May 10, 2015, 03:32:44 PM
I think we can beat Southampton though they are strong at home

Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: ez on May 10, 2015, 03:48:10 PM
Sunderland have 3 games left but it's the worst run in out of anyone. They desperately need Hull to choke.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: peter w on May 10, 2015, 03:51:50 PM
Well all I can still only see are wins for everyone and us going down. until we're mathematically safe i can't relax or start thinking about the Cup final or next season. Hull WILL beat tottenham, Sunderland will turn Leicester over and Newcastle will draw at QPR and then beat West Ham. leicester will win their last game v QPR. Last game and Man U will not beat a fired up Hull and after finally succumbing 2 or 3-0 at Southampton an Danny Ings goal in the 78th minute will see us relegated. I can't see how any of that can't happen. Another nervous wait until 3pm next saturday.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Legion on May 10, 2015, 03:57:23 PM
You read my mind!
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Legion on May 10, 2015, 03:58:40 PM
12:45 KO for us on Saturday.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: peter w on May 10, 2015, 03:59:47 PM
Of course. *jitters*
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 10, 2015, 04:03:58 PM
I can see us getting something at Southampton. No win in 4 games for them. Maybe they are also anxious to avoid the Europa league.

I was listening to the radio and that was a topic of discussion. How the Europa League is something to avoid now for teams. Amazing to think you work hard to do well in the league only to try and not to achieve a certain position to stay out of a competition. It really needs to go back to being a knock out cup tournament.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: peter w on May 10, 2015, 04:04:50 PM
Just thinking Lee, has there ever been a game that we've watched together that villa have won? That much nervous anxiety in one place must be like a confidence sapping vortex on the players. We should only ever attend games when we know for sure the other will not be in attendance.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Legion on May 10, 2015, 04:06:57 PM
I promise not to attend, watch, listen to or follow in any way the Southampton game on Saturday.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 10, 2015, 04:10:00 PM
And then there was one.

14   Aston Villa   36   -20   38
15   Leicester      36   -13   37
16   Sunderland  35   -20   36
17   Newcastle    36   -24   36
18   Hull              36   -16   34
19   Burnley        36   -26   29 Relegated
20   QPR             36   -28   27 Relegated

Remaining fixtures

Newcastle
QPR v Newcastle
Newcastle v West Ham

Sunderland
Sunderland v Leicester
Arsenal v Sunderland
Chelsea v Sunderland

Hull
Tottenham v Hull
Hull v Man Utd

Aston Villa
Southampton v Aston Villa
Aston Villa v Burnley

Leicester
Sunderland v Leicester
Leicester v QPR
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: nodge on May 10, 2015, 05:06:12 PM
Well all I can still only see are wins for everyone and us going down. until we're mathematically safe i can't relax or start thinking about the Cup final or next season. Hull WILL beat tottenham, Sunderland will turn Leicester over and Newcastle will draw at QPR and then beat West Ham. leicester will win their last game v QPR. Last game and Man U will not beat a fired up Hull and after finally succumbing 2 or 3-0 at Southampton an Danny Ings goal in the 78th minute will see us relegated. I can't see how any of that can't happen. Another nervous wait until 3pm next saturday.

Peter, you need to get down to Paddy Power and stick £20 on us to go down and they'll give you £1600 on the 24th May if you think all that's going to happen. That'd probably get you a couple of final tickets too.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 10, 2015, 05:25:49 PM
I'm hoping Newcastle draw with QPR and lose to West Ham at Sid James Park, Hull lose to Spurs but beat the Plastics at home, sending the Barcodes down on goal difference.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: mike on May 10, 2015, 05:28:37 PM
Well all I can still only see are wins for everyone and us going down. until we're mathematically safe i can't relax or start thinking about the Cup final or next season. Hull WILL beat tottenham, Sunderland will turn Leicester over and Newcastle will draw at QPR and then beat West Ham. leicester will win their last game v QPR. Last game and Man U will not beat a fired up Hull and after finally succumbing 2 or 3-0 at Southampton an Danny Ings goal in the 78th minute will see us relegated. I can't see how any of that can't happen. Another nervous wait until 3pm next saturday.

Peter, you need to get down to Paddy Power and stick £20 on us to go down and they'll give you £1600 on the 24th May if you think all that's going to happen. That'd probably get you a couple of final tickets too.
Peter, don't listen to him. I agree completely, we're doomed.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: silhillvilla on May 10, 2015, 05:35:16 PM
Well all I can still only see are wins for everyone and us going down. until we're mathematically safe i can't relax or start thinking about the Cup final or next season. Hull WILL beat tottenham, Sunderland will turn Leicester over and Newcastle will draw at QPR and then beat West Ham. leicester will win their last game v QPR. Last game and Man U will not beat a fired up Hull and after finally succumbing 2 or 3-0 at Southampton an Danny Ings goal in the 78th minute will see us relegated. I can't see how any of that can't happen. Another nervous wait until 3pm next saturday.
Hmmm, not beyond the realms of possibility. Put £500 quid on it and if the worst does happen you get £62,500 back , nice deposit for a place in Spain.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: olaftab on May 10, 2015, 05:35:19 PM
And then there was three.

14   Aston Villa    38   -18   42
15  Sunderland    38   -24   39
16  Newcastle      38   -25   39
17  Leicester        38   -16   38
18   Hull              38   -18   35 Relegated
19   Burnley        38   -30   30 Relegated
20   QPR             38   -32   28 Relegated


There you go fixed!
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: KevinGage on May 10, 2015, 06:35:44 PM
Looking at QPR today I think you can just add three points to the Leicester and Newcastle tallies already.

And no thanks to caulker on this evidence please.

Caulker looks absolutely atrocious.

You'd think it might be Dicke Dunne who is the weak link in that backline now, factoring in his age.

But it's Caulker all the way.

Haven't both Cardiff and QPR each spent the best part of £10 million on him?

Lunacy.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: TheMalandro on May 10, 2015, 06:43:47 PM
Looking at QPR today I think you can just add three points to the Leicester and Newcastle tallies already.

And no thanks to caulker on this evidence please.

Caulker looks absolutely atrocious.

You'd think it might be Dicke Dunne who is the weak link in that backline now, factoring in his age.

But it's Caulker all the way.

Haven't both Cardiff and QPR each spent the best part of £10 million on him?

Lunacy.

He looked good at the start for Cardiff, what happened to him?
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Des Little on May 10, 2015, 06:43:59 PM
Well all I can still only see are wins for everyone and us going down. until we're mathematically safe i can't relax or start thinking about the Cup final or next season. Hull WILL beat tottenham, Sunderland will turn Leicester over and Newcastle will draw at QPR and then beat West Ham. leicester will win their last game v QPR. Last game and Man U will not beat a fired up Hull and after finally succumbing 2 or 3-0 at Southampton an Danny Ings goal in the 78th minute will see us relegated. I can't see how any of that can't happen. Another nervous wait until 3pm next saturday.

I'll give it to you Peter, you're one miserable fella. You're like our very own Unlucky Alf. Every silver lining has a cloud...
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: peter w on May 10, 2015, 06:49:48 PM
Well all I can still only see are wins for everyone and us going down. until we're mathematically safe i can't relax or start thinking about the Cup final or next season. Hull WILL beat tottenham, Sunderland will turn Leicester over and Newcastle will draw at QPR and then beat West Ham. leicester will win their last game v QPR. Last game and Man U will not beat a fired up Hull and after finally succumbing 2 or 3-0 at Southampton an Danny Ings goal in the 78th minute will see us relegated. I can't see how any of that can't happen. Another nervous wait until 3pm next saturday.

I'll give it to you Peter, you're one miserable fella. You're like our very own Unlucky Alf. Every silver lining has a cloud...

That light at the end of the tunnel? just some fecker with a torch also looking for the way out...
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Damo70 on May 10, 2015, 07:23:31 PM
Looking at QPR today I think you can just add three points to the Leicester and Newcastle tallies already.

And no thanks to caulker on this evidence please.

Caulker looks absolutely atrocious.

You'd think it might be Dicke Dunne who is the weak link in that backline now, factoring in his age.

But it's Caulker all the way.

Haven't both Cardiff and QPR each spent the best part of £10 million on him?

Lunacy.

He looked good at the start for Cardiff, what happened to him?



I rated him at Spurs and like you thought he looked good for Cardiff at the start. But Cardiff then QPR weren't good career moves.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Villa in Denmark on May 10, 2015, 09:44:37 PM
I'm hoping Newcastle draw with QPR and lose to West Ham at Sid James Park, Hull lose to Spurs but beat the Plastics at home, sending the Barcodes down on goal difference.

I'll drink to that.

Big Sam to go and give the Gallowgate a warm round of applause at the end.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Villa in Denmark on May 10, 2015, 09:48:09 PM
Well all I can still only see are wins for everyone and us going down. until we're mathematically safe i can't relax or start thinking about the Cup final or next season. Hull WILL beat tottenham, Sunderland will turn Leicester over and Newcastle will draw at QPR and then beat West Ham. leicester will win their last game v QPR. Last game and Man U will not beat a fired up Hull and after finally succumbing 2 or 3-0 at Southampton an Danny Ings goal in the 78th minute will see us relegated. I can't see how any of that can't happen. Another nervous wait until 3pm next saturday.

I'll give it to you Peter, you're one miserable fella. You're like our very own Unlucky Alf. Every silver lining has a cloud...

That light at the end of the tunnel? just some fecker with a torch also looking for the way out...

Then it comes to be that the soothing light
At the end of your tunnel
Was just a freight train comin your way...
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: KRS on May 10, 2015, 09:56:19 PM
I can see us getting something at Southampton. No win in 4 games for them. Maybe they are also anxious to avoid the Europa league.

I was listening to the radio and that was a topic of discussion. How the Europa League is something to avoid now for teams. Amazing to think you work hard to do well in the league only to try and not to achieve a certain position to stay out of a competition. It really needs to go back to being a knock out cup tournament.
Looking at their last 6 results, anyone would think that it's more than just a coincidence they are both trying to avoid finishing in 6th place to avoid the curse of the Europa League...

Tottenham: DLWDLL
Southampton: LWLDLL
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 10, 2015, 10:28:20 PM
I can see us getting something at Southampton. No win in 4 games for them. Maybe they are also anxious to avoid the Europa league.

I was listening to the radio and that was a topic of discussion. How the Europa League is something to avoid now for teams. Amazing to think you work hard to do well in the league only to try and not to achieve a certain position to stay out of a competition. It really needs to go back to being a knock out cup tournament.
Looking at their last 6 results, anyone would think that it's more than just a coincidence they are both trying to avoid finishing in 6th place to avoid the curse of the Europa League...

Tottenham: DLWDLL
Southampton: LWLDLL

would it really shock anyone if neither team gave a shit next week and both us and Hull won? What would be funny is if QPR now they have been relegated play without pressure and do Newcastle.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: KRS on May 11, 2015, 01:44:39 AM
That would actually be hilarious, but it seems as though they are in as big a mess as Newcastle judging by the comments coming out of the QPR camp after their battering at City this afternoon. Hull are devoid of confidence and quality, so even an out of form Spurs will struggle to play badly enough not to win that one.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Gregorys Boy on May 11, 2015, 02:06:03 AM
I don't know I think until the loss yesterday Hull were starting to look like they might be okay its quite a big ask now.  If they can beat Spurs then that might just do it, a lot depends on which Tottenham turn up. 
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 11, 2015, 02:16:15 AM
Newcastle go down and we win the FA Cup. If Carlsberg did the last few games of a football season......
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on May 11, 2015, 03:35:28 AM
Newcastle go down and we win the FA Cup. If Carlsberg did the last few games of a football season......

(http://33.media.tumblr.com/f68c488d9e72b43b05b871f5a44e20f7/tumblr_inline_mhd7s9YpZO1qz4rgp.gif)
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Matt Collins on May 11, 2015, 07:13:42 AM
A lot of people are saying Sunderland took a big step to safety last weekend. I'm not sure

Hull (Spurs) villa (soton) and Newcastle (QPR) are playing what seem to be three of the least motivated, out of form sides around. Sunderland are playing Leicester.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: berneboy on May 11, 2015, 07:55:48 AM
Well all I can still only see are wins for everyone and us going down. until we're mathematically safe i can't relax or start thinking about the Cup final or next season. Hull WILL beat tottenham, Sunderland will turn Leicester over and Newcastle will draw at QPR and then beat West Ham. leicester will win their last game v QPR. Last game and Man U will not beat a fired up Hull and after finally succumbing 2 or 3-0 at Southampton an Danny Ings goal in the 78th minute will see us relegated. I can't see how any of that can't happen. Another nervous wait until 3pm next saturday.

Peter, you need to get down to Paddy Power and stick £20 on us to go down and they'll give you £1600 on the 24th May if you think all that's going to happen. That'd probably get you a couple of final tickets too.
Peter, don't listen to him. I agree completely, we're doomed.

As the politicians say, "I agree with Peter" - and Mike.

I can't cope any more.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: silhillvilla on May 11, 2015, 08:38:41 AM
A lot of people are saying Sunderland took a big step to safety last weekend. I'm not sure

Hull (Spurs) villa (soton) and Newcastle (QPR) are playing what seem to be three of the least motivated, out of form sides around. Sunderland are playing Leicester.
I get the impression Dick Advocaat has a horseshoe up his arse. They will be ok.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: mr underhill on May 11, 2015, 12:36:58 PM
 any footage on any of the porn websites?
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Villa in Denmark on May 11, 2015, 08:59:27 PM
A lot of people are saying Sunderland took a big step to safety last weekend. I'm not sure

Hull (Spurs) villa (soton) and Newcastle (QPR) are playing what seem to be three of the least motivated, out of form sides around. Sunderland are playing Leicester.
I get the impression Dick Advocaat has a horseshoe up his arse. They will be ok.

Well that would explain the pained look on his face and the funny walk.....
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: mike on May 11, 2015, 09:14:49 PM
Well all I can still only see are wins for everyone and us going down. until we're mathematically safe i can't relax or start thinking about the Cup final or next season. Hull WILL beat tottenham, Sunderland will turn Leicester over and Newcastle will draw at QPR and then beat West Ham. leicester will win their last game v QPR. Last game and Man U will not beat a fired up Hull and after finally succumbing 2 or 3-0 at Southampton an Danny Ings goal in the 78th minute will see us relegated. I can't see how any of that can't happen. Another nervous wait until 3pm next saturday.

Peter, you need to get down to Paddy Power and stick £20 on us to go down and they'll give you £1600 on the 24th May if you think all that's going to happen. That'd probably get you a couple of final tickets too.
Peter, don't listen to him. I agree completely, we're doomed.

As the politicians say, "I agree with Peter" - and Mike.

I can't cope any more.
Hull get a point against a lacklustre Spurs, then on a high beat a can't be arsed United in front of their pulsating home crowd. Meanwhile, Saints rally for their last home match and then we choke against Burnley. We're doomed I tell you.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: Quiet Lion on May 11, 2015, 09:19:30 PM
any footage on any of the porn websites?

Yeah, Stefan Postma put the horse shoe up there
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on May 12, 2015, 03:12:42 AM
Well all I can still only see are wins for everyone and us going down. until we're mathematically safe i can't relax or start thinking about the Cup final or next season. Hull WILL beat tottenham, Sunderland will turn Leicester over and Newcastle will draw at QPR and then beat West Ham. leicester will win their last game v QPR. Last game and Man U will not beat a fired up Hull and after finally succumbing 2 or 3-0 at Southampton an Danny Ings goal in the 78th minute will see us relegated. I can't see how any of that can't happen. Another nervous wait until 3pm next saturday.

Peter, you need to get down to Paddy Power and stick £20 on us to go down and they'll give you £1600 on the 24th May if you think all that's going to happen. That'd probably get you a couple of final tickets too.
Peter, don't listen to him. I agree completely, we're doomed.

As the politicians say, "I agree with Peter" - and Mike.

I can't cope any more.
Hull get a point against a lacklustre Spurs, then on a high beat a can't be arsed United in front of their pulsating home crowd. Meanwhile, Saints rally for their last home match and then we choke against Burnley. We're doomed I tell you.

You pair are talking a lot of sense.

We are down.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on May 16, 2015, 04:49:26 PM
Thank fcuk for that.  It's been emotional.
Title: Re: The Plot to Escape Relegation Thread 2015.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 16, 2015, 04:49:49 PM
We are staying up, I said we are staying up!

Fuck you relegation thread!
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