April looks absolutely brutal
Not sure that makes April any better from a league survival frontApril looks absolutely brutal
If we get to the semis the QPR game will be moved. No idea to when though.
Can't see us taking three points off Swansea, at the same time i think 35 points will be enough.
April looks absolutely brutalIt's that month when you get some unpredictable wins for the strugglers, just hope it's us for once.
April looks absolutely brutalIfWhen we get to the semis the QPR game will be moved. No idea to when though.
The barcodes game is crucial: if we get stuffed there I think it will drain any remaining confidence out of the squad. The reverse is true as well though: get a result and the Sherwood feel-good factor should take flight.This.
Looking forward to our first win at spuds since Steve Archibald was a lad Richie.
If we can still be in it in the last day I'd take that now.
4 wins in 12 !? Won't happen, what have we got 2 in 25 ??
It would be a monumental turnaround of epic proportions
4 wins in 12 !? Won't happen, what have we got 2 in 25 ??
It would be a monumental turnaround of epic proportions
I think the Stoke game may have come around a touch too quickly for Sherwood to have any huge impact on the way the team plays. Hopefully we see more of his approach in the coming games now that he has his own coaches in place. For me confidence is the main issue. When Benteke was fearless it didn't really matter what style Villa were playing, he created most of his own chances anyway. A little cohesion and a goal or two and we'll be okay I think. (I hope).
I think the Stoke game may have come around a touch too quickly for Sherwood to have any huge impact on the way the team plays. Hopefully we see more of his approach in the coming games now that he has his own coaches in place.
I think the Stoke game may have come around a touch too quickly for Sherwood to have any huge impact on the way the team plays. Hopefully we see more of his approach in the coming games now that he has his own coaches in place.
Sherwood had an huge impact on the way the team played against Stoke, that was the problem.
4 wins in 12 !? Won't happen, what have we got 2 in 25 ??
It would be a monumental turnaround of epic proportions
Not really. Its only winning 1 in 3 and when you have an unpredictable Newcastle to play, a mid-table Swansea, together with teams around you in West Brom, Sunderland, QPR, Everton and Burnley, four of which are at home suggests it should be a task easily within the capability of the squad.
The trick is starting it off. You need a result that boosts confidence that puts the belief back into the player. A callow looking Newcastle on the back of a real beating, where you know the crowd get twitchy quickly, is an ideal place to start.
And to be honest, I'm not that bothered about the kind of football we play from now until May. Picking up points is the main thing. Unfortunatley, that's what it's come down to.
And to be honest, I'm not that bothered about the kind of football we play from now until May. Picking up points is the main thing. Unfortunatley, that's what it's come down to.
4 wins in 12 !? Won't happen, what have we got 2 in 25 ??
It would be a monumental turnaround of epic proportions
For all Sherwood's bluster and bravado all week the end result was as pathetic as ever , if not worse , throwing away a lead , 2 shots on goal in 97 mins , a red card, shocking tactics , .
Just dire .
Not that we were very good at all. But I'm not sure we could blame the red card on tactics. It was an act of rash foolishness from Vlaar who's legs can't hack it at this level and who frankly should never set foot on the pitch in our shirt again.For all Sherwood's bluster and bravado all week the end result was as pathetic as ever , if not worse , throwing away a lead , 2 shots on goal in 97 mins , a red card, shocking tactics , .
Just dire .
crikey ??? the blokes only been here a week or two and I agree about it being dire, but give Sherwood and his coaches a chance.
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I'm not blaming Sherwood at all
Immense stupidity of Ron Vlaar cost us a point on Saturday. If you can play poorly and not get beat, then that is only a good thing. We were on course to do just that.
Because it's true. He gave it the big one all week "gabby on fire" etc etc . But Sherwood is a victim of circumstance so I don't hold him accountable . The tactic it seems was launch it up to the big man which again I cannot fault him for , benteke looks disinterested and lethargic and that's again not Sherwood's fault .I'm not blaming Sherwood at all
Then why name Sherwood in your original post?
Because it's true. He gave it the big one all week "gabby on fire" etc etc . But Sherwood is a victim of circumstance so I don't hold him accountable . The tactic it seems was launch it up to the big man which again I cannot fault him for , benteke looks disinterested and lethargic and that's again not Sherwood's fault .I'm not blaming Sherwood at all
Then why name Sherwood in your original post?
There's no pressure on us. Not now we've been sold again provided we stay up.Sold again ?
Because it's true. He gave it the big one all week "gabby on fire" etc etc . But Sherwood is a victim of circumstance so I don't hold him accountable . The tactic it seems was launch it up to the big man which again I cannot fault him for , benteke looks disinterested and lethargic and that's again not Sherwood's fault .I'm not blaming Sherwood at all
Then why name Sherwood in your original post?
I still think 34 or 35 points will be enough.
Unfortunately I can't see us getting past 33.
Newcastle v Aston Vila -Draw 1 point
Aston Villa v West Brom - Draw 1 point
Sunderland v Aston Villa - Draw 1 points
Aston Villa v Swansea - Lose 0 points
Man Utd v Aston Villa - Lose 0 points
Tottenham v Aston Villa - Lose 0 points
Aston Villa v QPR - Win 3 points
Man City v Aston Villa - Lose 0 points
Aston Villa v Everton - Draw 1 point
Aston Villa v West Ham - Draw 1 point
Southampton v Aston Villa - Lose 0 points
Aston Villa v Burnley - Win 3 points
Newcastle v Aston Vila -Draw 1 point
Aston Villa v West Brom - Draw 1 point
Sunderland v Aston Villa - Win 3 points
Aston Villa v Swansea - Draw 1 points
Man Utd v Aston Villa - Lose 0 points
Tottenham v Aston Villa - Draw 1 point
Aston Villa v QPR - Win 3 points
Man City v Aston Villa - Lose 0 points
Aston Villa v Everton - Draw 1 point
Aston Villa v West Ham - Win 3 points
Southampton v Aston Villa - Lose 0 points
Aston Villa v Burnley - Draw 1 point
15 points, giving us 37 for me.
If we survive on that, we will have been very lucky.
We just don't create enough. If we have more than 2 shots on target tomorrow that will be good by our standards .Think I read somewhere that there are 9 shots per goal in the PL, 3 of which are on target. Couple that with the fact that most of our shots are speculative shots probably means we need more than 9 shots on goal to get 3 on target.
We simply have to show we are more desperate to win than a Newcastle side that are now playing to see out the season. Realistically on form they are not going to break into a Europa League spot so are essentially rooted to mid table. If we cannot show more passion than them given our circumstances we deserve what we end up with. Based on that alone we should be winning this game.
Trouble is hitting them on the back of them getting smashed at City is the worst time. A draw would be a great result this weekend. And playing 4-4-2 away won't work, which I hope the Sheriff is aware of.
We simply have to show we are more desperate to win than a Newcastle side that are now playing to see out the season. Realistically on form they are not going to break into a Europa League spot so are essentially rooted to mid table. If we cannot show more passion than them given our circumstances we deserve what we end up with. Based on that alone we should be winning this game.
we said this about Stoke though, they were supposed to be playing for nothing and with loads of injuries,
I'm not hopefull
Playing a side that has just been twatted is the best time to play them, especially if you can score first.
Stoke were awful and lucky to get more than a point. I fail to see how having your confidence shattered the previous week by a mauling gears you up to turn somebody over so certainly the next.Newcastle also look like a side who could always go on a half decent run, but by the same token a pretty shit run. That was par for the course with Pardew. I think they're in a rut at the moment, so we need to take advantage.
We simply have to show we are more desperate to win than a Newcastle side that are now playing to see out the season. Realistically on form they are not going to break into a Europa League spot so are essentially rooted to mid table. If we cannot show more passion than them given our circumstances we deserve what we end up with. Based on that alone we should be winning this game.
we said this about Stoke though, they were supposed to be playing for nothing and with loads of injuries,
I'm not hopefull
We simply have to show we are more desperate to win than a Newcastle side that are now playing to see out the season. Realistically on form they are not going to break into a Europa League spot so are essentially rooted to mid table. If we cannot show more passion than them given our circumstances we deserve what we end up with. Based on that alone we should be winning this game.
we said this about Stoke though, they were supposed to be playing for nothing and with loads of injuries,
I'm not hopefull
Truth is, all of these sides that otherwise have nothing to play for (managers and players alike) would love to see Villa get relegated. That alone is kind of a big deal to them and enough to motivate them against us.
We simply have to show we are more desperate to win than a Newcastle side that are now playing to see out the season. Realistically on form they are not going to break into a Europa League spot so are essentially rooted to mid table. If we cannot show more passion than them given our circumstances we deserve what we end up with. Based on that alone we should be winning this game.
we said this about Stoke though, they were supposed to be playing for nothing and with loads of injuries,
I'm not hopefull
Truth is, all of these sides that otherwise have nothing to play for (managers and players alike) would love to see Villa get relegated. That alone is kind of a big deal to them and enough to motivate them against us.
We simply have to show we are more desperate to win than a Newcastle side that are now playing to see out the season. Realistically on form they are not going to break into a Europa League spot so are essentially rooted to mid table. If we cannot show more passion than them given our circumstances we deserve what we end up with. Based on that alone we should be winning this game.
we said this about Stoke though, they were supposed to be playing for nothing and with loads of injuries,
I'm not hopefull
Truth is, all of these sides that otherwise have nothing to play for (managers and players alike) would love to see Villa get relegated. That alone is kind of a big deal to them and enough to motivate them against us.
Why?
We simply have to show we are more desperate to win than a Newcastle side that are now playing to see out the season. Realistically on form they are not going to break into a Europa League spot so are essentially rooted to mid table. If we cannot show more passion than them given our circumstances we deserve what we end up with. Based on that alone we should be winning this game.
we said this about Stoke though, they were supposed to be playing for nothing and with loads of injuries,
I'm not hopefull
Truth is, all of these sides that otherwise have nothing to play for (managers and players alike) would love to see Villa get relegated. That alone is kind of a big deal to them and enough to motivate them against us.
these are professional footballers not fans. I would bet they don't give a damn who goes down as long as it isn't them.
We simply have to show we are more desperate to win than a Newcastle side that are now playing to see out the season. Realistically on form they are not going to break into a Europa League spot so are essentially rooted to mid table. If we cannot show more passion than them given our circumstances we deserve what we end up with. Based on that alone we should be winning this game.
we said this about Stoke though, they were supposed to be playing for nothing and with loads of injuries,
I'm not hopefull
Truth is, all of these sides that otherwise have nothing to play for (managers and players alike) would love to see Villa get relegated. That alone is kind of a big deal to them and enough to motivate them against us.
Why?
Just is, isn't it? One of only a few ever present PL teams, one of the biggest names in the history of English football. Who wouldn't love to see them go down, rather than a newly promoted side?
& how many British players are likely to start for AntnDec FC tomorrow ?
There's a big difference between a bunch players playing a club a few divisions higher in a cup competition and if they win it will be a high point of their career, and the players and manager of Swansea loving seeing the Villa relegated.
I doubt it. Finishing say, 9th, with Stoke probably will give him pride. It won't matter to him where Villa are in the league.
...we just need to rely on them being shitter than us.
I doubt it. Finishing say, 9th, with Stoke probably will give him pride. It won't matter to him where Villa are in the league.
That's a fair point. I'll get me coat...
There's a big difference between a bunch players playing a club a few divisions higher in a cup competition and if they win it will be a high point of their career, and the players and manager of Swansea loving seeing the Villa relegated.
You don't think it would give Mark Hughes (for example) any personal or professional pride to comfortably keep Stoke in the division and watch someone like Villa go down?
If we are still winless come Tuesday night that'll be three of the winnable games gone. Hopes of a Sherwood renaissance will be extinguished and the maps to unvisited grounds will need downloading.
We had better hope that there are three worse teams than us and we somehow pick a draw here and there. We are down if not. Terrible team. Mentally brittle. The likes of Gabby need to be sold. Not good enough for a good few seasons. He's has flattered to decieve since he broke into the team. The likes of Gabby should be setting an example of how much this club means to him.
three teams shitter than us. It might just be possible.Really? Who?
The end of season DVD - Jesus pity the poor person who has to put that together. I reckon it will be an hour and a half on our first four games.
All our relegation rivals lost today - not saying its not a dreadful situation but its not over yet...........
Don't fancy our chances if it comes down to final game.
The end of season DVD - Jesus pity the poor person who has to put that together. I reckon it will be an hour and a half on our first four games.
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Until its mathematically impossible for us to stay up, I'm keeping the faith.
West Brom (H)
Sunderland (A)
Swansea (H)
Man Utd (A)
Tottenham (A)
QPR (H)
Man City (A)
Everton (H)
West Ham (H)
Southampton (A)
Burnley (H)
I've bolded the matches I think we will lose. That leaves five we will probably need to win all of, or at the very least four. Four wins and a draw would leave us on 35 pts, we'd be lucky to stay up on that.
I can't see any other scenario than us going down.
That pathetic run over Christmas where we failed to score a single goal in the 'easy' matches against teams around us has probably done us.
Until its mathematically impossible for us to stay up, I'm keeping the faith.
Pah, I'm optimismed out. It's done me no good in the last few years.
Yeah, but we managed to stay up in the last few years. Keep the faith.Until its mathematically impossible for us to stay up, I'm keeping the faith.
Pah, I'm optimismed out. It's done me no good in the last few years.
They will have the relegation escape clauses in their contracts to comfort them.You would of thought so, but with this lot running the club i wouldn't be surprised if they hadn't.
I actually think we might need to go down.Aren't our current crop of youngsters a bit shit?
Take a nuke to this side, flog off the stars who will undoubtedly move, then flush out the wasters and the ever increasing amount of sunk headed fucking losers.
Four years of repeated kicks in the balls now. It's getting to the fans and it has infected the players who've been here the whole time, and quickly infects those players we bring in. Cleverley started reasonably well and turned absolutely shit. See also Cissokho, Luna, Sylla, Westwood, Lowton, Benteke now. The list goes on.
If we do survive then what? The cycle repeats and we merely delay the inevitable. It's going to happen under Lerner. No two ways about it. The sooner it does, the sooner we can rebuild.
I'm becoming increasingly resigned to the fact that going down might be the jolt we need. Rebuild with our youngsters. Buy in some hard working and hungry players who can help us first stabilise in the Championship (so we don't double drop) and then try to rebuild in the next couple of years and hopefully come up as a more cohesive unit as Newcastle and West Ham did.
Losing and giving up is so ingrained in our squad that genuinely I think the only way to move forward is to yank the fucking flush and start again. Gardner is seemingly having a good end to the season and impacting in the championship. Bring him back into the fold and get rid of Westwood who is a waste of space. Delph can go or he can stay and fight and help bring us back. The backline should be okay in the middle. Guzan may stay but Given is more than adequate for the Champ. We buy a forward who scores at Champ level or who could make a step up from L1. We build around some of the more promising youngsters like Grealish and Robinson too. And would Sherwood perhaps want to keep Bent on (reduced wages of course)? There won't be many Prem takers for Darren, but he's proved he's got goals in him at Champ level. 2 year deal perhaps.
Perhaps too it'll be the absolute final straw that sees Randy bugger off. Perhaps he'd give lower the price enough to tempt someone into buying a sleeping giant. We just have to hope Fox (if he stayed), or whoever has the where-withal to avoid Chicken farmers and the like.
We're a pox on this league. We need to be wiped from it, for our own good.
Let's get this straight now - they are NOT three worse teams than us. We are where we should be.
I'm becoming increasingly resigned to the fact that going down might be the jolt we need. Rebuild with our youngsters. Buy in some hard working and hungry playersNo more youngsters. No more hungry players. Even if we did go up we'd need to start all over again, a) because our youngsters generally turn out to be not good enough for the Prem, and b) because we tried the young and hungry route for three years and it doesn't work.
I think our problem has been that Lambert bought in too many youngsters from other clubs rather than try to bed in some of our own.I actually think we might need to go down.Aren't our current crop of youngsters a bit shit?
Take a nuke to this side, flog off the stars who will undoubtedly move, then flush out the wasters and the ever increasing amount of sunk headed fucking losers.
Four years of repeated kicks in the balls now. It's getting to the fans and it has infected the players who've been here the whole time, and quickly infects those players we bring in. Cleverley started reasonably well and turned absolutely shit. See also Cissokho, Luna, Sylla, Westwood, Lowton, Benteke now. The list goes on.
If we do survive then what? The cycle repeats and we merely delay the inevitable. It's going to happen under Lerner. No two ways about it. The sooner it does, the sooner we can rebuild.
I'm becoming increasingly resigned to the fact that going down might be the jolt we need. Rebuild with our youngsters. Buy in some hard working and hungry players who can help us first stabilise in the Championship (so we don't double drop) and then try to rebuild in the next couple of years and hopefully come up as a more cohesive unit as Newcastle and West Ham did.
Losing and giving up is so ingrained in our squad that genuinely I think the only way to move forward is to yank the fucking flush and start again. Gardner is seemingly having a good end to the season and impacting in the championship. Bring him back into the fold and get rid of Westwood who is a waste of space. Delph can go or he can stay and fight and help bring us back. The backline should be okay in the middle. Guzan may stay but Given is more than adequate for the Champ. We buy a forward who scores at Champ level or who could make a step up from L1. We build around some of the more promising youngsters like Grealish and Robinson too. And would Sherwood perhaps want to keep Bent on (reduced wages of course)? There won't be many Prem takers for Darren, but he's proved he's got goals in him at Champ level. 2 year deal perhaps.
Perhaps too it'll be the absolute final straw that sees Randy bugger off. Perhaps he'd give lower the price enough to tempt someone into buying a sleeping giant. We just have to hope Fox (if he stayed), or whoever has the where-withal to avoid Chicken farmers and the like.
We're a pox on this league. We need to be wiped from it, for our own good.
That's true, but much depends on what we can afford. I honestly wouldn't fancy many of the returning loanees for example. The likes of Tonev and Sylla still have to go.I'm becoming increasingly resigned to the fact that going down might be the jolt we need. Rebuild with our youngsters. Buy in some hard working and hungry playersNo more youngsters. No more hungry players. Even if we did go up we'd need to start all over again, a) because our youngsters generally turn out to be not good enough for the Prem, and b) because we tried the young and hungry route for three years and it doesn't work.
We should buy the very best we can afford and persuade to come. If we must have youngsters and / or hungry players get them in on loan from somewhere good.
If the last three (or more) years have told us anything it's that what you need to compete in the Prem is skill.
At this point there is one side worse than us and another two equally as bad.Leicester's performances aren't that dreadful either. They always work hard but desperately lack in quality and their defence falls apart. They've got more heart than we do though. I can see them winning again before we do.
Worse run in 52 years, 7 defeats on the spin, manager waiting for his first win... local derby next.
I think there's a lot of truth in what you say, supertom. God knows I don't want the ignominy of relegation, but what will survival mean? The same as the last few seasons: another season of struggle. It's easy to speculate, but if we'd gone under McLeish, I reckon we could have genuinely done the "young and hungry" thing in the Championship and would probably be back up or at least chasing promotion with a team that would be doing the club proud. I'd even go so far as to say that Lambert may have done a very good job for us in that scenario, As it is the malaise has had even longer to set in, and I reckon that will make a quick turnaround much harder.If the Footballing God's are smiling upon us we'll get a new owner who genuinely wants to build something and in the right way.
I've posted similar on a different thread but there's no point fearing relegation.Apart from the long term damage to the club.
We last won a league game almost 3 months ago. For all the negatives relegation would bring, it can't possibly be any worse than this season.
I've posted similar on a different thread but there's no point fearing relegation.Apart from the long term damage to the club.
We last won a league game almost 3 months ago. For all the negatives relegation would bring, it can't possibly be any worse than this season.
And relegation will make it even worse.I've posted similar on a different thread but there's no point fearing relegation.Apart from the long term damage to the club.
We last won a league game almost 3 months ago. For all the negatives relegation would bring, it can't possibly be any worse than this season.
Because, what with an owner desperate to sell, a manager no-one really wanted, a squad that isn't good enough, debts of over £100m, crowds at their lowest for years and people outside the club wishing we'll go down because we're so desperately boring to watch, the club currently looks in fantastic health?!
And relegation will make it even worse.I've posted similar on a different thread but there's no point fearing relegation.Apart from the long term damage to the club.
We last won a league game almost 3 months ago. For all the negatives relegation would bring, it can't possibly be any worse than this season.
Because, what with an owner desperate to sell, a manager no-one really wanted, a squad that isn't good enough, debts of over £100m, crowds at their lowest for years and people outside the club wishing we'll go down because we're so desperately boring to watch, the club currently looks in fantastic health?!
If all you care about is what other people think about your teams result's then go support Chelsea, or Man City. Or even Real Madrid or Munich. For me, I want to see Villa win games - regularly, not every 3 months.I'm with you. We're going to go down at some point. If it's this season, then it's this season. If it's not, then it'll be another one.
Supporting Villa has just become so joyless the past few years. I absolutely don't want to see us to get relegated but after the past few years it's not going to upset me if we do.
If all you care about is what other people think about your teams result's then go support Chelsea, or Man City. Or even Real Madrid or Munich. For me, I want to see Villa win games - regularly, not every 3 months.I never said that.
Supporting Villa has just become so joyless the past few years. I absolutely don't want to see us to get relegated but after the past few years it's not going to upset me if we do.
Relegation doesn't achieve anything. I don't believe this thing about if we stayed up, the cycle would continue. The fans have had enough, there's a new manager who must realise the depth of problems and even at boardroom there must be a few home truths being realised (just later than they should have). Added to that the financial situation appears to have been addressed (unless we go down) and there's good things happening behind the scenes. It's just unfortunate for us that they've forgotten that first and foremost, we are a football club. There's always hope of a takeover - that may be a long shot but not as long a shot as it was a year ago when the accounts were a mess.
If all you care about is what other people think about your teams result's then go support Chelsea, or Man City. Or even Real Madrid or Munich. For me, I want to see Villa win games - regularly, not every 3 months.I'm with you. We're going to go down at some point. If it's this season, then it's this season. If it's not, then it'll be another one.
Supporting Villa has just become so joyless the past few years. I absolutely don't want to see us to get relegated but after the past few years it's not going to upset me if we do.
Every decision that the club has made over the past couple of years (and several in the years before that) has pointed in that direction.
well this would be a good week to start a great escape
Leicester ,QPR and Burnley are main 3 relegation contenders all play man City, Arsenal and Liverpool
I know it doesn't always work out to plan, but I cant see any of them getting much out of those games
well this would be a good week to start a great escape
Leicester ,QPR and Burnley are main 3 relegation contenders all play man City, Arsenal and Liverpool
I know it doesn't always work out to plan, but I cant see any of them getting much out of those games
I noticed that too. Even a point against Olbiyun will probably see us out of the bottom 3. Win at Sunderland in next league game and we could be 16th.
The problem with this is those pesky impossibilities like "winning" or even "getting a point"
Watching the football league show and it don't seem all that bad down there , albeit some of the pitches look more like farmers fields with white lining - Blackpool, Sheff weds take a bow
Some think we'll get to win loads of games if we go down. I suggest they have a look at Wolves and a number of other clubs who thought that.Watching the football league show and it don't seem all that bad down there , albeit some of the pitches look more like farmers fields with white lining - Blackpool, Sheff weds take a bow
Rotherham, half empty Villa Park, midfield hatchet men kicking the shit out of pansies like Westwood and big fuckers dominating us at set pieces as Gabby and Weimann row zed everything up front, doesn't sound appealing to me.
Some think we'll get to win loads of games if we go down. I suggest they have a look at Wolves and a number of other clubs who thought that.Watching the football league show and it don't seem all that bad down there , albeit some of the pitches look more like farmers fields with white lining - Blackpool, Sheff weds take a bow
Rotherham, half empty Villa Park, midfield hatchet men kicking the shit out of pansies like Westwood and big fuckers dominating us at set pieces as Gabby and Weimann row zed everything up front, doesn't sound appealing to me.
All the results have gone our way this week.
Didn't realise that Everton are down there, too.
Although I don't think they'll get into to much trouble, the way they're tumbling it could be worrying times.
I would love the Baggies to hit a bit of a rough patch now.
April looks absolutely brutalIfWhen we get to the semis the QPR game will be moved. No idea to when though.
Fixed. We wouldn't win it if we weren't in the semis, ya daft bugger.
Still think 40 points is the benchmark - you get some strange results in the relegation run in! We certainly need 3 points against Swansea with the 3 tough April away games.
Still think 40 points is the benchmark - you get some strange results in the relegation run in! We certainly need 3 points against Swansea with the 3 tough April away games.
That's just not right, 40 points has been required about 3 times in the last 20 years. You're looking at 34-36 this season at best and that still relies on Burnley and Sunderland putting on their best run of form all season. I genuinely think Leicester and QPR are gone, the former will struggle to get to what we have now and from what I've seen of QPR I think they'll get about 30.
3 wins from here and we're fine.
I think 36 would be enough, 3 points nest week would be a great start. When was the last time we won 4 games on the trot ?O Neill perhaps. Exactly when, I'm not sure.
2009-10.I think 36 would be enough, 3 points nest week would be a great start. When was the last time we won 4 games on the trot ?O Neill perhaps. Exactly when, I'm not sure.
It's still going to be tough to get out of this. burnley's result tonight is a case in point there are many twists and turns and strange results in the run in. I personally don't think Everton are in it and will just get the points that they need when they need them. it's us , leicester, QPR, Burnley, Sunderland and Hull. I think Leicester are definitely down. QPR will go too but I don't think they'll be cut adrift. 3 points are important next week, again, so that we don't put too much pressure on the QPR and Burnley games. Still a long way to go and still going to be tough.
It's still going to be tough to get out of this. burnley's result tonight is a case in point there are many twists and turns and strange results in the run in. I personally don't think Everton are in it and will just get the points that they need when they need them. it's us , leicester, QPR, Burnley, Sunderland and Hull. I think Leicester are definitely down. QPR will go too but I don't think they'll be cut adrift. 3 points are important next week, again, so that we don't put too much pressure on the QPR and Burnley games. Still a long way to go and still going to be tough.
Why are Everton not in it? Unless Martinez realises the best course of action is to get the ball to Lukaku (Lambert take note), I think they will be ok but no better than us
It's still going to be tough to get out of this. burnley's result tonight is a case in point there are many twists and turns and strange results in the run in. I personally don't think Everton are in it and will just get the points that they need when they need them. it's us , leicester, QPR, Burnley, Sunderland and Hull. I think Leicester are definitely down. QPR will go too but I don't think they'll be cut adrift. 3 points are important next week, again, so that we don't put too much pressure on the QPR and Burnley games. Still a long way to go and still going to be tough.
Why are Everton not in it? Unless Martinez realises the best course of action is to get the ball to Lukaku (Lambert take note), I think they will be ok but no better than us
Because they're great and I love them.
Somebody posted Hull's fixtures earlier, and they look absolutely horrendous.
If only we hadn't gifted them three points, I think they be joining Leicester and QPR.
Somebody posted Hull's fixtures earlier, and they look absolutely horrendous.The players didn't even try that night. They wanted Lambert gone.
If only we hadn't gifted them three points, I think they be joining Leicester and QPR.
April may not be a write off for us - the Burnley result yesterday shows that teams win when its not expected. If they didn't betting wouldn't exist. Didn't Chelsea lose quite a few games against teams down the bottom last year?
I can't see us getting much more, if anything away from home. Swansea, Everton, QPR, West Ham and Burnley at home. I think we need three wins from those five. Ideally against Everton, QPR and Burnley, although hopefully that last game will be a dead rubber like the last game at Wigan a couple of years back.
I'm not sure Old Trafford is such a write off. Sherwood doesn't seem to give a monkeys about reputations and frankly, Man United look a mesh of expensive players dropped into the pitch without any visible cohesion.
I'm not sure Old Trafford is such a write off. Sherwood doesn't seem to give a monkeys about reputations and frankly, Man United look a mesh of expensive players dropped into the pitch without any visible cohesion.
Unfortunately they looked really good today. They tore Spurs apart. You never know but I'm not confident we'll get anything there. I think that result will push them on to finish in the top 4 now.
Utd look good one week and then poor the next. That said they've picked up a lot of results this season when playing badly. I wouldn't be surprised if they finished second.I'm not sure Old Trafford is such a write off. Sherwood doesn't seem to give a monkeys about reputations and frankly, Man United look a mesh of expensive players dropped into the pitch without any visible cohesion.
Unfortunately they looked really good today. They tore Spurs apart. You never know but I'm not confident we'll get anything there. I think that result will push them on to finish in the top 4 now.
Sod em. Sherwoods Villa boys will just brush them aside.
We have taken 6 points out of the last two league games and are still only 3 points clear of relegationFrightening if we had of followed Dr Fox narrative.
It just shows how deep in the shit we would be if we had stuck with Lambert
That'll be the same Fox that convinced Lerner to sack his best mate.We have taken 6 points out of the last two league games and are still only 3 points clear of relegationFrightening if we had of followed Dr Fox narrative.
It just shows how deep in the shit we would be if we had stuck with Lambert
Robert Madley appointed for the Swansea game, that will upset them the last time refereed a Swansea game they got him suspended, hopefully he will want to get back at Gary Monk :)
No he'll play it straight down the line ,but if he sees a chance to give a clear penalty he willRobert Madley appointed for the Swansea game, that will upset them the last time refereed a Swansea game they got him suspended, hopefully he will want to get back at Gary Monk :)
Or he'll be "overly" fair to them, so he doesn't get suspended again...
Yes and they're looking good v Liverpool
We really need to be trying to win this one but it is likely to be tough
Hopefully they'll burn themselves out a bit tonight
When was last time we won 3 league games in a row?2011
Yes and they're looking good v Liverpool
We really need to be trying to win this one but it is likely to be tough
Hopefully they'll burn themselves out a bit tonight
And they haven't got Bony...
Might only have to be beat QPR and Burnley at home and then get 3 -4 draws as 37 - 39 pts might be enough. Would be surprised if Hull, Sunderland or Burnley and QPR were to achieve 35 or 36pts. What helps us is a few of those teams will play each other and others in the bottom half. A good run from us and we may climb even higher. I would be worried if we did not beat QPR or Burnley unless we were magically safe by then.
Yes and they're looking good v Liverpool
We really need to be trying to win this one but it is likely to be tough
Hopefully they'll burn themselves out a bit tonight
And they haven't got Bony...
Liverpool shifted their tactics today in the second half to match up against their diamond
I'd definitely revert to that I think. Westwood for Sinclair
Their goal scoring record has been just 1 a game since Bony left. And they've not exactly been watertight at the back. Hopefully our new found attacking approach will get some joy against them.
Might only have to be beat QPR and Burnley at home and then get 3 -4 draws as 37 - 39 pts might be enough. Would be surprised if Hull, Sunderland or Burnley and QPR were to achieve 35 or 36pts. What helps us is a few of those teams will play each other and others in the bottom half. A good run from us and we may climb even higher. I would be worried if we did not beat QPR or Burnley unless we were magically safe by then.
Me neither. Burnley got a good result but they will struggle to average a point a game for the remainder. QPR probably won't either.Might only have to be beat QPR and Burnley at home and then get 3 -4 draws as 37 - 39 pts might be enough. Would be surprised if Hull, Sunderland or Burnley and QPR were to achieve 35 or 36pts. What helps us is a few of those teams will play each other and others in the bottom half. A good run from us and we may climb even higher. I would be worried if we did not beat QPR or Burnley unless we were magically safe by then.
Looking at the run ins I can't see Hull or Sunderland getting more than 33 points so 34 points could be enough.
Might only have to be beat QPR and Burnley at home and then get 3 -4 draws as 37 - 39 pts might be enough. Would be surprised if Hull, Sunderland or Burnley and QPR were to achieve 35 or 36pts. What helps us is a few of those teams will play each other and others in the bottom half. A good run from us and we may climb even higher. I would be worried if we did not beat QPR or Burnley unless we were magically safe by then.
Looking at the run ins I can't see Hull or Sunderland getting more than 33 points so 34 points could be enough.
Might only have to be beat QPR and Burnley at home and then get 3 -4 draws as 37 - 39 pts might be enough. Would be surprised if Hull, Sunderland or Burnley and QPR were to achieve 35 or 36pts. What helps us is a few of those teams will play each other and others in the bottom half. A good run from us and we may climb even higher. I would be worried if we did not beat QPR or Burnley unless we were magically safe by then.
Looking at the run ins I can't see Hull or Sunderland getting more than 33 points so 34 points could be enough.
What is the lowest number of points someone has stayed up with? Was it Albion on something like 34 or 35 in their 'great escape' season? When I did the predictor a few weeks back I'm sure I had teams staying up on closer to 30 points than forty. Nothing seems to have changed to alter that possibility. I reckon 36-38 points will be enough this year.
Sunderland have given themselves a better chance by sacking Poyet and appointing Advocaat. Think it's going to be really tight
We are the team with a wind behind us, wins and goals will have given the players a new confidence and we have a manager who appears to want to play to their strengths. Early days, of course, but if I were a fan of any of the other clubs down there I would be worried by our apparent improvement.
We are the team with a wind behind us, wins and goals will have given the players a new confidence and we have a manager who appears to want to play to their strengths. Early days, of course, but if I were a fan of any of the other clubs down there I would be worried by our apparent improvement.
Sunderland have given themselves a better chance by sacking Poyet and appointing Advocaat. Think it's going to be really tight
It's a huge risk appointing someone with no Prem experience with so few games left, he needs to hit the ground running & has no time to 'find his feet', as it were. That's why I was please with Sherwood, although he didn't have much experience he knew the English game inside out.
Sunderland are in a horrific mess. Their defence looks almost unsalvageable. Beyond Brown and O'Shea (both well past it) they only have a couple of poor foreign CH's in on loan who haven't adapted to the Prem. Their best striker is Defoe who is 33 years old and will always be on the periphery of games. Again, it goes back to the Bent argument. Yes he might put a chance away and score goals, but you sacrifice a player in the general play. Defoe probably touched the ball few enough times you could count on your fingers at the weekend.
They lack pace. Their best player is currently out of action indefinitely. It's a shambles. Advocaat's track record doesn't suggest he'd be able to pull off the miracle required to turn this squad around. Now whether he keeps them up is more a matter of how QPR finish. Much like ourselves under McLeish and Lambert last season, Sunderland must rely on 3 teams being shitter, rather than anything they might actually do themselves.
Sunderland will still be paying Defoe £70,000 per week when he is 36 years old.Sunderland are in a horrific mess. Their defence looks almost unsalvageable. Beyond Brown and O'Shea (both well past it) they only have a couple of poor foreign CH's in on loan who haven't adapted to the Prem. Their best striker is Defoe who is 33 years old and will always be on the periphery of games. Again, it goes back to the Bent argument. Yes he might put a chance away and score goals, but you sacrifice a player in the general play. Defoe probably touched the ball few enough times you could count on your fingers at the weekend.
They lack pace. Their best player is currently out of action indefinitely. It's a shambles. Advocaat's track record doesn't suggest he'd be able to pull off the miracle required to turn this squad around. Now whether he keeps them up is more a matter of how QPR finish. Much like ourselves under McLeish and Lambert last season, Sunderland must rely on 3 teams being shitter, rather than anything they might actually do themselves.
I didn't realise Defoe was that old, but thinking about it he must be.
Sunderland will still be paying Defoe £70,000 per week when he is 36 years old.Sunderland are in a horrific mess. Their defence looks almost unsalvageable. Beyond Brown and O'Shea (both well past it) they only have a couple of poor foreign CH's in on loan who haven't adapted to the Prem. Their best striker is Defoe who is 33 years old and will always be on the periphery of games. Again, it goes back to the Bent argument. Yes he might put a chance away and score goals, but you sacrifice a player in the general play. Defoe probably touched the ball few enough times you could count on your fingers at the weekend.
They lack pace. Their best player is currently out of action indefinitely. It's a shambles. Advocaat's track record doesn't suggest he'd be able to pull off the miracle required to turn this squad around. Now whether he keeps them up is more a matter of how QPR finish. Much like ourselves under McLeish and Lambert last season, Sunderland must rely on 3 teams being shitter, rather than anything they might actually do themselves.
I didn't realise Defoe was that old, but thinking about it he must be.
Even QPR thought better of signing him.Sunderland will still be paying Defoe £70,000 per week when he is 36 years old.Sunderland are in a horrific mess. Their defence looks almost unsalvageable. Beyond Brown and O'Shea (both well past it) they only have a couple of poor foreign CH's in on loan who haven't adapted to the Prem. Their best striker is Defoe who is 33 years old and will always be on the periphery of games. Again, it goes back to the Bent argument. Yes he might put a chance away and score goals, but you sacrifice a player in the general play. Defoe probably touched the ball few enough times you could count on your fingers at the weekend.
They lack pace. Their best player is currently out of action indefinitely. It's a shambles. Advocaat's track record doesn't suggest he'd be able to pull off the miracle required to turn this squad around. Now whether he keeps them up is more a matter of how QPR finish. Much like ourselves under McLeish and Lambert last season, Sunderland must rely on 3 teams being shitter, rather than anything they might actually do themselves.
I didn't realise Defoe was that old, but thinking about it he must be.
We should be okay. Hopefully April doesn't destroy the newfound belief the squad seem to have. I'm awaiting 'honeymoon period over' cliches in the regional press.
The semi ?We should be okay. Hopefully April doesn't destroy the newfound belief the squad seem to have. I'm awaiting 'honeymoon period over' cliches in the regional press.
In April we really need beat QPR and get a positive result in at least one of the other games.
Jelavic from hull out for 6 weeks will help.
Jelavic from hull out for 6 weeks will help.
That won't help them in the run in, shame.
If I could choose 3 to go it would be qpr Everton and WBA
I quite like the away days of hull, Sunderland , Leicester and burnley.
If I could choose the three teams to go down it would be Liverpool, Liverpool and Liverpool.If I could choose 3 to go it would be qpr Everton and WBA
I quite like the away days of hull, Sunderland , Leicester and burnley.
Chelsea, Newcastle and man utd
If I could choose the three teams to go down it would be Liverpool, Liverpool and Liverpool.If I could choose 3 to go it would be qpr Everton and WBA
I quite like the away days of hull, Sunderland , Leicester and burnley.
Chelsea, Newcastle and man utd
Can't believe we are still below Hull.
Good.Can't believe we are still below Hull.
We won't be for much longer.
Think we are in the shite again now.If QPR win it might change things but so far 4 from bottom 6 have all lost so you could say we are no more in the shite than at 5 o'clock last Saturday.
Leicester are gone. Qpr too if they don't win tomorrow . If they do though !
Then it's between us qpr , Sunderland burnley and hull to fill 2 other slots.
Kind of disagree. Today was winnable or at least a point. Of our remaining 8 , 4 look very very X rated territory.Think we are in the shite again now.If QPR win it might change things but so far 4 from bottom 6 have all lost so you could say we are no more in the shite than at 5 o'clock last Saturday.
Leicester are gone. Qpr too if they don't win tomorrow . If they do though !
Then it's between us qpr , Sunderland burnley and hull to fill 2 other slots.
Especially when you compare our run in to the easy run ins Hull and Sunderland have got...I think ours is as bad as theirs
Especially when you compare our run in to the easy run ins Hull and Sunderland have got...
Especially when you compare our run in to the easy run ins Hull and Sunderland have got...I think ours is as bad as theirs
Hull will probably beat burnley and get another freak win somewhere, arsenal at home would be my guess.
I think burnley will be quietly confident with their run in - Everton Leicester West Ham, Stoke and us ! Amongst othersHull will probably beat burnley and get another freak win somewhere, arsenal at home would be my guess.
So given Burnley are on 25 points and actually have a 3 goal worse GD than us that will send them hurtling towards relegation I take it?
I think burnley will be quietly confident with their run in - Everton Leicester West Ham, Stoke and us ! Amongst othersHull will probably beat burnley and get another freak win somewhere, arsenal at home would be my guess.
So given Burnley are on 25 points and actually have a 3 goal worse GD than us that will send them hurtling towards relegation I take it?
It works on the mode, we've relied on others to dig us out the shit for 2 or 3 years and at some point that luck will run out.I think burnley will be quietly confident with their run in - Everton Leicester West Ham, Stoke and us ! Amongst othersHull will probably beat burnley and get another freak win somewhere, arsenal at home would be my guess.
So given Burnley are on 25 points and actually have a 3 goal worse GD than us that will send them hurtling towards relegation I take it?
They'll lose to Hull but will be confident about beating West Ham and Stoke. Remind me again how your mind works.
It works on the mode, we've relied on others to dig us out the shit for 2 or 3 years and at some point that luck will run out.I think burnley will be quietly confident with their run in - Everton Leicester West Ham, Stoke and us ! Amongst othersHull will probably beat burnley and get another freak win somewhere, arsenal at home would be my guess.
So given Burnley are on 25 points and actually have a 3 goal worse GD than us that will send them hurtling towards relegation I take it?
They'll lose to Hull but will be confident about beating West Ham and Stoke. Remind me again how your mind works.
It works on the mode, we've relied on others to dig us out the shit for 2 or 3 years and at some point that luck will run out.
We can't keep going sub 40 points and keep getting away with it.It works on the mode, we've relied on others to dig us out the shit for 2 or 3 years and at some point that luck will run out.
No we have not.
We can't keep going sub 40 points and keep getting away with it.It works on the mode, we've relied on others to dig us out the shit for 2 or 3 years and at some point that luck will run out.
No we have not.
Hull will probably beat burnley and get another freak win somewhere, arsenal at home would be my guess.So Hull are going to get a "freak win" against Arsenal, yet according to you we might as well not bother turning up for four of our remaining eight games.
Fair point we will probably spring a surprise somewhere . I think we will gather 7 or 8 more points which should do it.Hull will probably beat burnley and get another freak win somewhere, arsenal at home would be my guess.So Hull are going to get a "freak win" against Arsenal, yet according to you we might as well not bother turning up for four of our remaining eight games.
Everyone knows that in this league anyone can beat anyone. I wouldn't ever write off any game. I actually fancy us to nab a point or 2 against the Manchester clubs.
United seem to be playing a blinder at Liverpool. If they win that, I can foresee a circumstance where they're all patting themselves on the back for a job well done, the media are all over them and then we get a result out of nowhere.Them winning today I think suits us better than playing them coming off say a defeat against the scousers ?
Game 31 in our mini league
Man Utd v Villa
Leicester v West Ham
Swansea v Hull
WBA v qpr
Burnley v Spurs
Sunderland v Newcastle
We really should be winning our remaining 4 home games.
We really should be winning our remaining 4 home games.
Absolutely.
We are riding our luck with others losing. Sooner or later there's going to be a shock result to really shake things up - let's just hope it's us winning at United.
We need some of these 'injured' players back! Still need Vlaar if he could only get fit. I think we'll survive.Not sure Vlaar wants to be fit for us.
Clark has been good, but he should have been a lot stronger when he and Gomis were heading towards our goal yesterday. Get a commanding centre back next to him and he could turn out to he really useful for us. We need a beast next to him though.Glad you said it first Newby...I love Clark, but there was no doubt Gomis got in front of him for the goal yesterday, and stayed there over some distance. Writing was on the wall too from Montero who had already had a few good strong runs down the left that Bacuna couldn't deal with...which I think Hutton would have had he played in his proper position.
We need some of these 'injured' players back! Still need Vlaar if he could only get fit. I think we'll survive.
Clark kept us at 0/0 by HT, great goaline block
Their goal was not Clarks fault at all.Clark kept us at 0/0 by HT, great goaline block
Yes, correct. But push came to shove with the goal and he should have been stronger. Good player, doing well, but still learning the dirty bits of the game.
To be fair to Clark he will come up against front men that are stronger than him. Gomis being one. Okore and Bacuna spent large parts of the game bouncing off Gomis like a rag doll. I think it were more a case that we just got caught out be a swift counter. I can't fault Clark too much on it, after all without him we'd have been dead and buried by that point. He's barely put a foot wrong all season...which given last season has been a remarkable turn around. He started the season 5th choice.Their goal was not Clarks fault at all.Clark kept us at 0/0 by HT, great goaline block
Yes, correct. But push came to shove with the goal and he should have been stronger. Good player, doing well, but still learning the dirty bits of the game.
Win as a team, lose as a team. I am not blaming Clark for the goal. I am simply stating that he should/could have been stronger in preventing Gomis from getting to the ball ahead of him.great pass from Routledge, even better ball in from Montero. Poor defending from Bacuna, Okore and, unfortunately, for the otherwise reliable, Clark.The only thing I think he could have done would be to foul him really and given the position would probably have been a straight red. Gomis will physically dominate a lot of CH's. Benteke on a good day too, sadly he didn't really.
Blaming Clark for the goal is silly.
Defending a pin point cross like that on the counter is virtually impossible
Blaming Clark for the goal is silly.
Defending a pin point cross like that on the counter is virtually impossible
I appreciate they haven't been doing it all season but has anyone seen Leicester's last few games of the season. Some very winnable ones there.
I just did a match predictor and was quite cautious and had it between us, Hull and Burnley. Unsurprisingly it will be the home games where we need the points anything we can get on the road is a bonus. A little crumb of comfort is that we held our own against a decent team like Swansea and could have snuck it so we should get something from our home games with a little luck and our crowd behind us.No shit Sherlock ? no Sunderland?
I just did a match predictor and was quite cautious and had it between us, Hull and Burnley. Unsurprisingly it will be the home games where we need the points anything we can get on the road is a bonus. A little crumb of comfort is that we held our own against a decent team like Swansea and could have snuck it so we should get something from our home games with a little luck and our crowd behind us.No shit Sherlock ? no Sunderland?
Bacuna was our weak spot not Clark.That's the way I see it. Very hard to support any argument that Clark was at fault for the goal.
Bacuna was our weak spot not Clark.That's the way I see it. Very hard to support any argument that Clark was at fault for the goal.
How much 'holding our own' against Swansea depicts how far we have fallen. If they get through this there simply must be radical changes of policy in the summer.
Is anyone else's life pretty much dominated by this whole r********n nightmare?
This is going to the last game I can just feel it.
You miss the point. If Bacuna hadn't been caught etc etcBacuna was our weak spot not Clark.That's the way I see it. Very hard to support any argument that Clark was at fault for the goal.
The fact that the player he was supposed to be marking scored the goal might be a flaw in the argument
I think it's one of those goals where I'm not sure it's worth pointing blame at any specific player.
The reason that we conceded it was that we were pushing forward trying to get a winner, which left space at the back. I'm pretty sure that at some point during Sherwood's tenure that pushing for a winner at 0-0 will go in our favour, this time it didn't.
It already has in the first game vs Albion.Yup, good point.
It already has in the first game vs Albion.Yup, good point.
Those two games could just have easily seen their endings switched with West Brom snatching a late winner on the break and Saturday seeing us do it.
I think the Burnley- Leicester game could be key, Leicester win and that could knock the stuffing out of Burnley.If the games at burnley I see little hope of a Leicester win
I know its all conjecture
but I reckon 35 points will be enough
so if we only take 3 points (QPR) out of the next 4 games, which is very probable we will need a further 4 points from our final 4 games against everton, west ham, Southampton and burnley
which I think we will do,
that's what I reckon anyroad
btw I don't agree that we have an easier run in than the rest, I think its pretty testing
Their goal was not Clarks fault at all.Clark kept us at 0/0 by HT, great goaline block
Yes, correct. But push came to shove with the goal and he should have been stronger. Good player, doing well, but still learning the dirty bits of the game.
The QPR game is absolutely huge. There's rarely a must win game but this is pretty close
If it means resting benteke for the Man U game i'd be happy with that.
I think we should go for Man Us throat. they ain't that good.
I think we should go for Man Us throat. they ain't that good.
I think we could get something there are clear weakenesses but they are on a good run at the moment and have grided results out against better teams like us.
I think what is saving us again this season is that the standard of teams that have come up have not been very good and that the PL in generally is weak.
Their goal was not Clarks fault at all.Clark kept us at 0/0 by HT, great goaline block
Yes, correct. But push came to shove with the goal and he should have been stronger. Good player, doing well, but still learning the dirty bits of the game.
He had gotten onto the wrong side of Gomis which was poor. And should have been a bit cuter and pulled Gomis back when still ten yeards out of the box. At worse a yellow card and missing Old trafford.
That's the manager's call. He can't just get beaten once and then run across to the other side of the pitch and tell Hutton to swap with him.
I'd be fully focused on qpr . If Benteke needs resting (even Clark 9 bookings ?) so be it. Hopefully vlaar senderos cissoko are going to show up soon.
Beat qpr and I think we will be ok.
It can't be very often that all 3 of the promoted teams make up the bottom 3 going in to the last couple of months of the season. 2 already look close to doomed, if Burnley go down that must be the first time in years all 3 have gone straight back down.
I will be thrilled with 4 points from our next four games
I will be thrilled with 4 points from our next four gamesAs long as 3 are off qpr .
It would be so nice if we could beat Manure, QPR and Spurs and be safe by the time we play the FA Cup semi final.
It would be so nice if we could beat Manure, QPR and Spurs and be safe by the time we play the FA Cup semi final.
Whilst Kylie pops round for a Snog and Nigella cooks your dinner
It would be so nice if we could beat Manure, QPR and Spurs and be safe by the time we play the FA Cup semi final.
Whilst Kylie pops round for a Snog and Nigella cooks your dinner
...as you watch your 6 numbers come up on the National Lottery
& while he called Kelly Brook was on call waitingIt would be so nice if we could beat Manure, QPR and Spurs and be safe by the time we play the FA Cup semi final.
Whilst Kylie pops round for a Snog and Nigella cooks your dinner
...as you watch your 6 numbers come up on the National Lottery
..which happened minutes after Sherwood had called you asking if you'd lead the lads out at Wembley
Sherwood said it was time for the players to feel pressured again. I don't see that from his tenure so far. Against Swansea and Stoke, pressure football and hitting them hard would have resulted in wins against two sides that are largely on the beach, especially in Stoke's case. I think Sherwood has to admit to himself, if he hasn't already, that the reason we lose is because our players just aren't that good.It says a lot that he opted for Cole today. A player who has been there and done it, even though he hasn't been good in about 5 years.
Tuesday nights game now takes on even greater importance, absolutely a must win!
Tuesday nights game now takes on even greater importance, absolutely a must win!It's going to be key. A 6 point gap and I don't think QPR can make that up. They catch up to us on tuesday and it'll be nose to nose with them until the end I reckon.
The single most important thing about the QPR game is that the players and fans believe from the outset. If we have a repeat of the sort of tentative performance we've seen all too often, it's going to be horrible.
Guzan - Bacuna Okore Clark Baker - Cleverley, Sanchesz, Delph- N'Zogbia - Gabby, Benteke
I'd agree on that. It's also something we struggle against which is why we've struggled in the last two games, having played West Brom (as you say, the slowest) and Sunderland (probably pushing West Brom close for that honour).The single most important thing about the QPR game is that the players and fans believe from the outset. If we have a repeat of the sort of tentative performance we've seen all too often, it's going to be horrible.
Guzan - Bacuna Okore Clark Baker - Cleverley, Sanchesz, Delph- N'Zogbia - Gabby, Benteke
Aye we need to start the game in the same manner as West Brom if possible.
The thing with QPR is I watched them a few weeks back at Palace and they were ripped apart by pace, Zaha, Bolaise and Puncheon tore them to shreds on the break so you have to think we will create chances against them.
West Brom are probably the slowest team in the league 1 to 11 so they were probably good opponents for QPR today.
We cannot assume that it's Tuesday or bust. Important yes but we need to relax. I am only coming at this from the point of view of really strange results at this time of the season. After all no one saw QPR beating west brazil 4-1. You just cannot tell what is going to happen.
We cannot assume that it's Tuesday or bust. Important yes but we need to relax. I am only coming at this from the point of view of really strange results at this time of the season. After all no one saw QPR beating west brazil 4-1. You just cannot tell what is going to happen.
After today, can you really see us getting out of the two other away games this month? That makes getting something form the game on Tuesday absolutely vital.
I think if we're in the bottom three on Wednesday morning we'll probably go down. Now hopefully that won't happen as three other teams will need to win and we'll be playing one of them.
Beat QPR and take the momentum to Spurs for a 2-2 draw there .
Whilst we're not quite at must-win time yet. Beating Rangers opens up a gap I don't think they could close on us in 6 games. I would be confident that we'd at least have them and Leicester below us at that point.I think if we're in the bottom three on Wednesday morning we'll probably go down. Now hopefully that won't happen as three other teams will need to win and we'll be playing one of them.
A win on Tuesday doesn't see us safe, nor will it relegate us. They'll still be loads of twists and turns in these fixtures yet. A win will obviously help us enormously though.
I'd like to think we could get something from Spurs and Everton but our record against both in recent years has been horrific. It's the sort of games when even if we face them on a downturn, or we're in some kind of form, we still bend over and take it up the tailpipe.Beat QPR and take the momentum to Spurs for a 2-2 draw there .
Yeah Spur's CL push is just about dead so I am hopeing that we will be able to nick something there. Also, don't we still have Everton to play? They don't really have anything left to play for so I think we should target that to try and win. I really don't want to go into that final game against Burnley needing a result...
Hoping for Newcastle and Spurs to both win today.
Beat QPR and take the momentum to Spurs for a 2-2 draw there .
As it is Easter Sunday, praying.
Beat QPR and take the momentum to Spurs for a 2-2 draw there .
Yeah Spur's CL push is just about dead so I am hopeing that we will be able to nick something there. Also, don't we still have Everton to play? They don't really have anything left to play for so I think we should target that to try and win. I really don't want to go into that final game against Burnley needing a result...
Win on Tuesday and it looks ok. Lose on Tuesday and we're in an awful lot of trouble.
Benteke - four in four games, right?The goal yesterday was virtually the only thing he did right (and quite fortunate). I felt he was showing signs of getting back to his old self against West Brom and Sunderland. Which makes the last couple of performances pretty galling.
Four games - four goals. If that's a poor player I wish we had eleven of them.If he scores a few winners in the next four then he can play as badly as he wants. Trouble is we've often relied on an on fire Benteke to drive the team. If the team plays shit, he can still pull something special out the bag single-handed, but those days are become too infrequent.
Win on Tuesday and it looks ok. Lose on Tuesday and we're in an awful lot of trouble.
Even a win won't get us too far away from it. Just looking at the remaining fixtures and some of the teams around us have got difficult run-ins.
Four in four is all well and good. But 6 in 22 doesn't look as impressive.Damn stats!
The bookies still don't think we are going down.
If any player needs to turn up, it's N'Zogbia.? He's been a star performer of late .
If any player needs to turn up, it's N'Zogbia.? He's been a star performer of late .
It's all relative.If any player needs to turn up, it's N'Zogbia.? He's been a star performer of late .
Star performer is pushing it slightly.
It's all relative.If any player needs to turn up, it's N'Zogbia.? He's been a star performer of late .
Star performer is pushing it slightly.
I said star performer "of late"
Like I said, it's all relative.I said star performer "of late"
Well, he played well in the two albion games and against Sunderland. He didn't do a lot against Swansea and he went missing again yesterday. Star performer is being very generous.
Fair point supertom. I think he is doubly important because he is the one genuinely good player in our squad. Others can play for whatever national team they like but we all know Benteke really is a class above the rest. We need that quality back and fast.Absolutely. If he plays well in the next 7 games we stay up with ease. If he plays like he did in the last two games (and much of the season) then it's going to be squeeky bum time come the Burnley game.
Bloody hell. Our injury list is back up to number 1 in the league. FFS Hutton in particular is a blow.Top of the league!! Woohoo!!
Win on Tuesday and it looks ok. Lose on Tuesday and we're in an awful lot of trouble.
Even a win won't get us too far away from it. Just looking at the remaining fixtures and some of the teams around us have got difficult run-ins.
I don't know. We'd be 5 points clear of the drop zone, which would be a decent cushion. If we lose on Tuesday we're in a lot of trouble.
Win on Tuesday and it looks ok. Lose on Tuesday and we're in an awful lot of trouble.
Even a win won't get us too far away from it. Just looking at the remaining fixtures and some of the teams around us have got difficult run-ins.
I don't know. We'd be 5 points clear of the drop zone, which would be a decent cushion. If we lose on Tuesday we're in a lot of trouble.
True PW, but we would still only be one game away from being right in it again. With our two fixtures left this month after QPR, it's still too close for comfort.
Lets hope we get yesterdays spurs too next weekend.
That run-in for QPR is shonky as hell. They need the three points more than us.I'd say they have some winnable games - West Ham , Leicester,
After we beat them, they'll get six points max. We'll only need to finish ahead of Hull then.That run-in for QPR is shonky as hell. They need the three points more than us.I'd say they have some winnable games - West Ham , Leicester,
Win tomorrow and we'll be alright I think. I can see us winning a couple more games if we win tomorrow.With all the injuries the qpr game has come at a wretched time. We simply have to win it. A draw won't be good enough. Defeat doesn't bear contemplating.
Honestly looking at those run ins I think we are fucked.
Yet we have West Ham and Burnley and you seem sure that we may as well give up now.That run-in for QPR is shonky as hell. They need the three points more than us.I'd say they have some winnable games - West Ham , Leicester,
Today is pivotal, if not decisive. If we get a win then hopefully we'll still be outside the bottom three at the end of our really difficult April and then confidence should be ok. If we lose then we are in real trouble and could be going into May needing to win 3 games.
Why does everyone think QPR's run in such a nightmare?Agree, same with Sunderland run In aswell.
Us- relegation rivals
Chelsea: pretty much champions already
West Ham: nothing to play for
Liverpool: top four pretty much gone
Man city: not going to be champions but going to be top four
Newcastle: shit but will be safe
Leicester: already relegated
That's not a nightmare scenario in my opinion..
I don't think losing to Swansea should be that shocking. They're almost 20 points better off than us at the moment. They're far superior in almost every way (a sad indication of how far we've fallen).Why does everyone think QPR's run in such a nightmare?Agree, same with Sunderland run In aswell.
Us- relegation rivals
Chelsea: pretty much champions already
West Ham: nothing to play for
Liverpool: top four pretty much gone
Man city: not going to be champions but going to be top four
Newcastle: shit but will be safe
Leicester: already relegated
That's not a nightmare scenario in my opinion..
We really need to pull out our finger and start winning.
Losing to Swansea, Stoke & Newcastle was shocking and costly.
QPR
Everton
West Ham
Burnley
Teams with a combined total of 10 away wins all season from 61 games. If we can't get 6/7 pts from that lot at least then we are shit and not good enough for the Premier League. We should be targeting everything single home game as a fucking win.
Not being clinical enough when they were playing 4-4-2 cost us. The game should have been done and dusted before they changed to 5-3-2, which did a good job of stifling us. Losing Bacuna didn't help either. We shouldn't have taken Grealish off though.
QPR, Burnley and Hull will not make 34 points so we have to beat that.
It's a bad result rather than a disaster. But I think what tonight means is that we need to get something against Spurs or Citeh and hope QPR, Hull and Burnley lose their next couple.
Okore needs to be back.
Bring on spurs, no reason at all why we can't beat them.
Bring on spurs, no reason at all why we can't beat them.
Bring on spurs, no reason at all why we can't beat them.
No reason at all.
Apart from the fact we're not very good, and they're much better than us.
Bacuna was a big threat in the first half and then seemed to pick up an injury which stopped him storming forward and led to his substitution.
Have you guys not seen our record v Spurs lately, pretty sure over the last 5 years it's actually worse than against Man. United if that's even possible!
On tonight's evidence I don't see us keeping Kane and Eriksen out.
Bacuna was a big threat in the first half and then seemed to pick up an injury which stopped him storming forward and led to his substitution.
It was more the tactical change that blocked him off
He's our best crosser there's no doubt about that
Second best at VP as well until that snide shit Mason changed things.
Second best at VP as well until that snide shit Mason changed things.
Don't start me off on that little weasel. Have you heard his whiney whinging little voice too? Makes Beckham sound like Mister T. My son had to tell me to calm down when he came on for England the other night. Can't stand players trying to get someone sent off like he did, especially when you're a fucking nobody like him who thinks he's billy big time because he plays for them.
Yes ok but what else?Bring on spurs, no reason at all why we can't beat them.
No reason at all.
Apart from the fact we're not very good, and they're much better than us.
Their season seemed to take off after that while ours flapped about a bit and hit the ground again.Post that they won about 4/5 games with winning goals coming in the last 5 or injury time meanwhile we lost a similar number in the same way.
Call me crazy but I'm convinced we will win on Saturday.
Call me crazy but I'm convinced we will win on Saturday.
You're crazy.
No, I also have a sneaky irrational feeling that we will get something from Saturday's game.
Bring on spurs, no reason at all why we can't beat them.
No reason at all.
Apart from the fact we're not very good, and they're much better than us.
I see nothing to suggest we can get a result on Saturday. Obviously I hope we do, but we just conceded 3 to QPR at home and nearly lost. If he continues to pick Vlaar and Richardson we'll lose.
Count me in to the crazy camp. A while back I was thinking we would win a couple away, Sunderland and Spurs.Call me crazy but I'm convinced we will win on Saturday.
You're crazy.
No, I also have a sneaky irrational feeling that we will get something from Saturday's game.
your both looney tunes,
maybe a draw
Harry Kane will score at least 2 goals , we will concede 3 or above and I doubt we will score.
Harry Kane will score at least 2 goals , we will concede 3 or above and I doubt we will score.
When was the last time we got a result at Spurs?
When was the last time we got a result at Spurs?4-4?
When was the last time we got a result at Spurs?4-4?
When was the last time we got a result at Spurs?
next Saturday
It's a guess, I don't recall us doing well there under Eck, GED or TSM2When was the last time we got a result at Spurs?4-4?
Bloody hell is it that long ago?
Didn't we beat them with a Reo Coker goal one season? Their good run against us has coincided with Randy's strategy u-turn, prior to that we had no problems against them.
I don't want to have a go at Richardson for one bad performance, but why is he even being considered as a defender? I shudder to think what he'll be like against Tottenham if Sherwood persists with him.
3 wins will get us over the line. Then we go again next season.
Yep.
And you start to wonder if this is the season when those late goals conceded finally do for us.
I don't want to have a go at Richardson for one bad performance, but why is he even being considered as a defender? I shudder to think what he'll be like against Tottenham if Sherwood persists with him.
3 wins will get us over the line. Then we go again next season.
...but we've been saying that for the last few games. Time and games are running out.
Quite. I'm more than happy for time to run out tomorrow.3 wins will get us over the line. Then we go again next season.
...but we've been saying that for the last few games. Time and games are running out.
Time and games are running out and we're above the line so that's a good thing yeah?
A point on the board is better than nothing and its also a game down for QPR. We need to find two wins between now and the end of the season and have the ability to do that.
I think we could survive with a little as three or four more points. Could do without the pressure though.
It's funny. This time of year comes around and most of us think we are doomed, but last year was no different. I think we were only mathematically safe after the penultimate game of last season. A couple of wins in the next month and we might even beat that!
I wonder if West Brom are completely safe yet - if they don't beat Leicester, I can see them struggling to get more than another point from their remaining fixtures:
Leicester (h)
C Palace (a)
Liverpool (h)
Man U (a)
Newcastle (a)
Chelsea (h)
Arsenal (a)
Just done the predictor and had 33 points keeping you up.Does this mean that from now on you are going cheer the f*ck up?
Got us on 36 with wins v West Ham & Burnley and a draw v Everton.
Just done the predictor and had 33 points keeping you up.Does this mean that from now on you are going cheer the f*ck up?
Got us on 36 with wins v West Ham & Burnley and a draw v Everton.
(winky thing)
Omsk!
Omsk!
Wasn't he one of the Wombles?
Omsk!
Wasn't he one of the Wombles?
I've given up trying to change predictive text for pmsl which comes up Omsk so I'm now sticking with Omsk.
I think it's going to be incredibly tight. The problem this year is that I think even the bottom side could still stay up. Leicester have some kind fixturesNo way Leicester are going to stay up. Yes it's not impossible but they are gone. Also I don't think it's going to be tight. We just need to win one and draw a couple. I think QPR along with Hull will go. I hope Burnley survive.
We will beat Spurs the weekend.
We will beat Spurs the weekend.
@myfootballfacts: Spurs have won their last 6 matches against Aston Villa and are unbeaten in 13 consecutive games #coys #thfc #avfc http://t.co/g6i8T4Ijtk
We will beat Spurs the weekend.
@myfootballfacts: Spurs have won their last 6 matches against Aston Villa and are unbeaten in 13 consecutive games #coys #thfc #avfc http://t.co/g6i8T4Ijtk
Matt, seriously, who gives a monkeys about these types of stats? The club has been in absolute chaos most of the times we've played Spurs recently and lots of clubs could pull out similarly impressive stats v us - all of which coincide with Randy's strategical implosion.
They are a club we should be stuffing week in week out. They've recently lost 3-0 away to Man Utd and were very average away to Burnley. Without checking I think they've even lost at home to West Brom this season (or was it last?). Going into this match with the mindset that we are about to face Real Madrid is self-defeating madness. Get stuck into them and get the points.
We will beat Spurs the weekend.
@myfootballfacts: Spurs have won their last 6 matches against Aston Villa and are unbeaten in 13 consecutive games #coys #thfc #avfc http://t.co/g6i8T4Ijtk
Matt, seriously, who gives a monkeys about these types of stats? The club has been in absolute chaos most of the times we've played Spurs recently and lots of clubs could pull out similarly impressive stats v us - all of which coincide with Randy's strategical implosion.
They are a club we should be stuffing week in week out. They've recently lost 3-0 away to Man Utd and were very average away to Burnley. Without checking I think they've even lost at home to West Brom this season (or was it last?). Going into this match with the mindset that we are about to face Real Madrid is self-defeating madness. Get stuck into them and get the points.
Whilst I agree we shouldn't be surrending due to stats. I think that saying Spurs are a team 'we should be stuffing week in week out' is just nonsense. We're the position we are in the league for a reason and even if Spurs weren't great against Man Utd or Burnley across the season they've been fairly good.
Records are there to be broken
Spurs are not in a great run of form and have a pretty patched up defence.The finished against Burnley with LB Davies at CB alongside Dier.There attacking play was slow and ponderous and Burnely hassled and out worked them.It will be tough still as clearly we have our own issues in defence but there are there to be got at.Leicester put 3 past them only a few weeks back !!
I think at this point you have to be cliched and take each game as it comes.Who would have predicted QPR putting 4 past WBA away ...For me the shame in not beating QPR was not just the chance to pull clear it was the opportunity to drag WBA and Newcastle into it , the latter who are in freefall and have alot of injuries.
If we want to stand a chance of beating Spurs we'll have to make sure our pressing game is up to scratch. That means every player needs to put the hard yards in.I think they will. Sherwood will light a rocket up every players arse for this game. He'll be desperate to win this one, possibly more so than any other game this season.
If we want to stand a chance of beating Spurs we'll have to make sure our pressing game is up to scratch. That means every player needs to put the hard yards in.I think they will. Sherwood will light a rocket up every players arse for this game. He'll be desperate to win this one, possibly more so than any other game this season.
He'll be relaxed for that one. Our name is already on the cup...If we want to stand a chance of beating Spurs we'll have to make sure our pressing game is up to scratch. That means every player needs to put the hard yards in.I think they will. Sherwood will light a rocket up every players arse for this game. He'll be desperate to win this one, possibly more so than any other game this season.
He'll be more desperate to beat Arsenal in the cup final!
Records are there to be brokenThat's exactly what Lambert did😁
If we want to stand a chance of beating Spurs we'll have to make sure our pressing game is up to scratch. That means every player needs to put the hard yards in.I think they will. Sherwood will light a rocket up every players arse for this game. He'll be desperate to win this one, possibly more so than any other game this season.
He'll be more desperate to beat Arsenal in the cup final!
If we get through to the final, am I right in thinking that we are in the Europa league as Arsenal will be in the top four and guaranteed champions league, win or not?
If we get through to the final, am I right in thinking that we are in the Europa league as Arsenal will be in the top four and guaranteed champions league, win or not?
I read somewhere that the rules have changed to scrap that.
We're not ready for a European spot so if the rules have changed, that works for us on this occasion. A big overhaul is needed and we either won't have a squad packed with quality players or if there was a big spending takeover and we did, the squad would have to bed down and ensure a good league position.Yep, I'd rather another domestic trophy push than Thursday afternoons in Tel Aviv .
I will wait till QPR and Burnley result but if they both lose than we are more or less there.
Also a decent chance of finishing above WBA looking at their fixtures.
Also a decent chance of finishing above WBA looking at their fixtures.
Steady. There's a reason Leicester are bottom of the league. 8 points plus goal difference is a big ask in only 7 games.
Albion are deep in the shit. Look at their fixtures and then think they've just lost two at home to QPR and Leicester conceding 7.
Albion are deep in the shit. Look at their fixtures and then think they've just lost two at home to QPR and Leicester conceding 7.
Think Foster getting injured was a massive blow for them. They're conceding shedloads with Boaz Myhill in there.
Er... I think he means we've got a decent chance of finishing above WBA, not that Leicester have.Also a decent chance of finishing above WBA looking at their fixtures.
Steady. There's a reason Leicester are bottom of the league. 8 points plus goal difference is a big ask in only 7 games.
Looking at the above, I don't see Albion or Sunderland getting another point.I think it's safe to say that as long as we go into the final two fixtures ahead of Hull and Sunderland then they won't be overtaking us.
Er... I think he means we've got a decent chance of finishing above WBA, not that Leicester have.Also a decent chance of finishing above WBA looking at their fixtures.
Steady. There's a reason Leicester are bottom of the league. 8 points plus goal difference is a big ask in only 7 games.
*shrugs*Er... I think he means we've got a decent chance of finishing above WBA, not that Leicester have.Also a decent chance of finishing above WBA looking at their fixtures.
Steady. There's a reason Leicester are bottom of the league. 8 points plus goal difference is a big ask in only 7 games.
I don't think he did.
That Villa- Burnley game really is gona be a killer for someone ... Providing were safe we could do our bit to put the Albion down .
My Predictor says:
Aston Villa 38 -22 40
Newcastle 38 -16 38
Hull 38 -14 35
West Brom 38 -15 35
Burnley 38 -23 34
Leicester 38 -20 33
Sunderland38 -20 33
QPR 38 -20 30
That Villa- Burnley game really is gona be a killer for someone ... Providing were safe we could do our bit to put the Albion down .
I'd love it for us to beat Burnley yet they still stayed up because Albion lost by a worse GD or something like that. It would kill them to know we helped them stay up and they still royally fucked it up.
If we're safe and it's down to Burnley or that lot I hope we play Grealish in goal, Hutton up front and Gil & N'Zogbia central defence. They go down and whine for all time about how it wor fayr.
If we're safe and it's down to Burnley or that lot I hope we play Grealish in goal, Hutton up front and Gil & N'Zogbia central defence. They go down and whine for all time about how it wor fayr.
I don't expect QPR or Burnley to win their game in hand on us. I think the 6 point gap is big enough that they won't catch us now. Short of us going pointless till the end, which won't happen.
If we're safe and Burnley are down by the last game, I wonder if we might see Rushian get a game and maybe a couple more kids. It'd also be great to give Libor a run out at that point. If Burnley are down already, no one else can really complain if we put out a second string.
I don't think you play a second string line-up with something like £1M on offer per place you finish in the Premier League...
I don't think you play a second string line-up with something like £1M on offer per place you finish in the Premier League...We're okay, we've got all that Europa money to grab.
If we make the final say against arsenal, do we automatically qualify for Europa
I am starting to believe this seasons relegation battle is going to get nicely boring very quickly. I think the current bottom 3 will go down without much fuss.
That would suit me just fine.
I am starting to believe this seasons relegation battle is going to get nicely boring very quickly. I think the current bottom 3 will go down without much fuss.
That would suit me just fine.
I think the Albion will be more involved than we will.
If we make the final say against arsenal, do we automatically qualify for Europa
No.
"From the 2015-16 UEFA Europa League season, however, UEFA will not allow the runners-up to qualify for the Europa League through the competition."
I am starting to believe this seasons relegation battle is going to get nicely boring very quickly. I think the current bottom 3 will go down without much fuss.
That would suit me just fine.
I don't expect QPR or Burnley to win their game in hand on us. I think the 6 point gap is big enough that they won't catch us now. Short of us going pointless till the end, which won't happen.
If we're safe and Burnley are down by the last game, I wonder if we might see Rushian get a game and maybe a couple more kids. It'd also be great to give Libor a run out at that point. If Burnley are down already, no one else can really complain if we put out a second string.
And if we did send Burnley down we should do zero piss taking just to wind up the Geordies.No one is going to send anyone down based on one match.
Leicester could stay up yetHow has it worked out that Leicester have five of their last seven at home?
Leicester could stay up yetHow has it worked out that Leicester have five of their last seven at home?
I still think the foxes are doomed. Hull have a terrible set of fixtures for the run in and the black cats are imploding. Despite Burnley working really hard, they struggle for goals.So that's four teams going down, not including the bookie's 1-5 favourite, QPR.
I did a predictor yesterday and had QPR, Hull and Sunderland going down. I had Leicester staying up on just 33 points. As someone pointed out yesterday, there are a few games between the bottom six which will suit us whatever happens.
I still think the foxes are doomed. Hull have a terrible set of fixtures for the run in and the black cats are imploding. Despite Burnley working really hard, they struggle for goals.So that's four teams going down, not including the bookie's 1-5 favourite, QPR.
I still think the foxes are doomed. Hull have a terrible set of fixtures for the run in and the black cats are imploding. Despite Burnley working really hard, they struggle for goals.So that's four teams going down, not including the bookie's 1-5 favourite, QPR.
Er, I haven't actually said any of them are going down. Simply making a comment. FWIW Sunderland, Leicester and Burnley are my three tips.
Leicester's run in is not too bad. I reckon it might be QPR, Sunderland and Hull.
The boggies could quite possibly not get another point this season.I was saying that earlier, it may just be their year (again)
Let's hope so.
The boggies could quite possibly not get another point this season.
Let's hope so.
If we make the final say against arsenal, do we automatically qualify for Europa
No.
"From the 2015-16 UEFA Europa League season, however, UEFA will not allow the runners-up to qualify for the Europa League through the competition."
Yet ironically they allow lots of runners up teams into the "Champions League"
My dearest wish for the last day is that we are already safe (obviously) and Burnley come to VP needing something to stay up and send the Albion down.
My dearest wish for the last day is that we are already safe (obviously) and Burnley come to VP needing something to stay up and send the Albion down.
My dearest wish for the last day is that we are already safe (obviously) and Burnley come to VP needing something to stay up and send the Albion down.
You are not suggesting we are petty minded enough to be cheering a team beating us just to see the baggies relegated surely?http://staging.itibitiventuresi.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/GIF/2014/08/GIF-dumb-Dumb-and-Dumber-dumber-excited-happy-jim-carrey-LOL-yes-GIF.gif
Me too :)
Except we did exactly that in Moscow in 2009.Well pubehead did, the kids tried hard. Yes I was more angry at pubehead.
You field your strongest line-up, always, end of!Hope Liverpool remember that maxim tomorrow and act accordingly. They'll be nice and tired by Sunday.
Top 4 is their priorityYou field your strongest line-up, always, end of!Hope Liverpool remember that maxim tomorrow and act accordingly. They'll be nice and tired by Sunday.
Ah yes, good thinking Silhill! :)Top 4 is their priorityYou field your strongest line-up, always, end of!Hope Liverpool remember that maxim tomorrow and act accordingly. They'll be nice and tired by Sunday.
Not sure where else to put this but I couldn't stop giggling when I saw it.
Sunderlands football team maybe relegation material but the club have some world class forum posters.
On Gary Lineker's smart ass comments.
http://www.readytogo.net/smb/threads/if-you-want-to-miss-the-traffic-at-sunderland-you-should-stay-til-the-end-of-the-game.1062537/
"Uncle D" probably is my favourite (spoilerd for language)."He can fuck off the jug lugged kernt and he can stick walkers crisps right up his fucking arse."
Not sure where else to put this but I couldn't stop giggling when I saw it.
Sunderlands football team maybe relegation material but the club have some world class forum posters.
On Gary Lineker's smart ass comments.
http://www.readytogo.net/smb/threads/if-you-want-to-miss-the-traffic-at-sunderland-you-should-stay-til-the-end-of-the-game.1062537/
"Uncle D" probably is my favourite (spoilerd for language)."He can fuck off the jug lugged kernt and he can stick walkers crisps right up his fucking arse."
Is it just me or does anyone else read that message board in a Tyneside/Geordie accent like? Kodacolor Gold Filum. Conjunctivitis. Kawasaki.
Why ay marra.
I'd like to see QPR go just to find out if the football league will throw the book at them for breaking their FFP rules last season
What games, if any, do other relegation candidates have next weekend whilst we are otherwise occupied? We don't want to lose too much ground, particularly with Man City away our next game.
What games, if any, do other relegation candidates have next weekend whilst we are otherwise occupied? We don't want to lose too much ground, particularly with Man City away our next game.
QPR miss next weekend too, not sure why or the other fixtures
Burnley away to Everton
Leicester away to Swansea
Baggies away to Palace
The rest are off because of the Cup.
Burnley away to Everton
Leicester away to Swansea
Baggies away to Palace
The rest are off because of the Cup.
Burnley away to Everton
Leicester away to Swansea
Baggies away to Palace
The rest are off because of the Cup.
Arsenal, Liverpool and Villa in the cup = 3 league games wiped-out. What about the other four?
Burnley away to Everton
Leicester away to Swansea
Baggies away to Palace
The rest are off because of the Cup.
Arsenal, Liverpool and Villa in the cup = 3 league games wiped-out. What about the other four?
Looking at Newcastle's run in, I think we'll finish above them. The way they're playing they could easily get into bother.
Looking at Newcastle's run in, I think we'll finish above them. The way they're playing they could easily get into bother.
Looking at Newcastle's run in, I think we'll finish above them. The way they're playing they could easily get into bother.
As I said previously, a crafty little bet on them to go down next season might be an astute move
Looking at Newcastle's run in, I think we'll finish above them. The way they're playing they could easily get into bother.
As I said previously, a crafty little bet on them to go down next season might be an astute move
Probably similar to us over the last few years, a couple of decent players. Bad but not bad enough to go down.
I can't see them making the same mistakes that saw them relegated before.
Looking at Newcastle's run in, I think we'll finish above them. The way they're playing they could easily get into bother.
As I said previously, a crafty little bet on them to go down next season might be an astute move
Looking at Newcastle's run in, I think we'll finish above them. The way they're playing they could easily get into bother.
As I said previously, a crafty little bet on them to go down next season might be an astute move
wouldn't that be joyous?
I don't think so. Pardew never had them in this situation. I think a decent manager will have them safely in mid table as they do have some talent in that squad.Not sure which bits of it are going to be left. Cisse, Coloccini, Sissoko and Krul are all rumoured to want to leave this summer.
I don't think so. Pardew never had them in this situation. I think a decent manager will have them safely in mid table as they do have some talent in that squad.Not sure which bits of it are going to be left. Cisse, Coloccini, Sissoko and Krul are all rumoured to want to leave this summer.
Take them out and there isn't a whole lot left.
I don't think so. Pardew never had them in this situation. I think a decent manager will have them safely in mid table as they do have some talent in that squad.Not sure which bits of it are going to be left. Cisse, Coloccini, Sissoko and Krul are all rumoured to want to leave this summer.
Take them out and there isn't a whole lot left.
I don't think so. Pardew never had them in this situation. I think a decent manager will have them safely in mid table as they do have some talent in that squad. Carver is simply awful and he'll be gone come the summer.
Koeman will be judged next season not this for me. Look at Martinez this season, could not sustain the form despite them splashing huge money on Lukaku etc. Europe doesn't help, but decently performing sides seem to get an upward bounce with a new manager, then hit a tough slump the season after. Southampton will be interesting next season.
Isn't Schteve McLaren being lined up for them next season?
Looking at Newcastle's run in, I think we'll finish above them. The way they're playing they could easily get into bother.
As I said previously, a crafty little bet on them to go down next season might be an astute move
I'd completely disagree. Most of what Southampton have got right is down to the sensible structure that is in place behind the manager, much like at Swansea. So that if a manager or players leave, the framework is in place to carry on.I don't think so. Pardew never had them in this situation. I think a decent manager will have them safely in mid table as they do have some talent in that squad.Not sure which bits of it are going to be left. Cisse, Coloccini, Sissoko and Krul are all rumoured to want to leave this summer.
Take them out and there isn't a whole lot left.
Similar was said about Southampton last summer. I know a lot of what they've done is down to their manager but nobody knows who they'll appoint as manager.
Newcastle are a shambles. In recent years, but for Pardew's ability to put together good runs of form (albeit in patches), they'd have gone down. They've had good runs under him and awful runs. The good runs have kept them well out of danger. Indeed Pardews work at Newcastle this season is largely what will keep them up as Carver is clearly in over his head.I'd completely disagree. Most of what Southampton have got right is down to the sensible structure that is in place behind the manager, much like at Swansea. So that if a manager or players leave, the framework is in place to carry on.I don't think so. Pardew never had them in this situation. I think a decent manager will have them safely in mid table as they do have some talent in that squad.Not sure which bits of it are going to be left. Cisse, Coloccini, Sissoko and Krul are all rumoured to want to leave this summer.
Take them out and there isn't a whole lot left.
Similar was said about Southampton last summer. I know a lot of what they've done is down to their manager but nobody knows who they'll appoint as manager.
I'm not sure that's something that you can say about Newcastle.
Newcastle are a shambles. In recent years, but for Pardew's ability to put together good runs of form (albeit in patches), they'd have gone down. They've had good runs under him and awful runs. The good runs have kept them well out of danger. Indeed Pardews work at Newcastle this season is largely what will keep them up as Carver is clearly in over his head.I'd completely disagree. Most of what Southampton have got right is down to the sensible structure that is in place behind the manager, much like at Swansea. So that if a manager or players leave, the framework is in place to carry on.I don't think so. Pardew never had them in this situation. I think a decent manager will have them safely in mid table as they do have some talent in that squad.Not sure which bits of it are going to be left. Cisse, Coloccini, Sissoko and Krul are all rumoured to want to leave this summer.
Take them out and there isn't a whole lot left.
Similar was said about Southampton last summer. I know a lot of what they've done is down to their manager but nobody knows who they'll appoint as manager.
I'm not sure that's something that you can say about Newcastle.
So their next appointment needs to be someone capable of going on a good run. They've got a lot of poor players. There are some really good ones, but not the sort who really seem to muck in when the chips are down.
Mike Ashley must also be a fucking nightmare to work for.
I'd completely disagree. Most of what Southampton have got right is down to the sensible structure that is in place behind the manager, much like at Swansea. So that if a manager or players leave, the framework is in place to carry on.I don't think so. Pardew never had them in this situation. I think a decent manager will have them safely in mid table as they do have some talent in that squad.Not sure which bits of it are going to be left. Cisse, Coloccini, Sissoko and Krul are all rumoured to want to leave this summer.
Take them out and there isn't a whole lot left.
Similar was said about Southampton last summer. I know a lot of what they've done is down to their manager but nobody knows who they'll appoint as manager.
I'm not sure that's something that you can say about Newcastle.
Judging by the comments about other clubs, I take it that no one else is still a bit worried about our situation? I probably just need to grow a pair!
Judging by the comments about other clubs, I take it that no one else is still a bit worried about our situation? I probably just need to grow a pair!
Judging by the comments about other clubs, I take it that no one else is still a bit worried about our situation? I probably just need to grow a pair!
If we don't manage that against Everton, the pressure will be huge.It wouldn't be a huge surprise if we went into those last four matches still 4-6 points clear.
We should pick up some points from our last 4 games:-
Everton (h)
Southampton (a)
West Ham (a)
Burnley (a)
Not holding out much hope against Citeh away.
If we don't manage that against Everton, the pressure will be huge.It wouldn't be a huge surprise if we went into those last four matches still 4-6 points clear.
If we hadn't got that win at Spurs then I'd still be a bit concerned, but we're 12-1 to go down for a reason (which I think is as long as the odds have been since that good run at the start of the season).
We should pick up some points from our last 4 games:-
Everton (h)
Southampton (a)
West Ham (a)
Burnley (a)
Not holding out much hope against Citeh away.
Burnley and West Ham are at home.
Burnley
Judging by the comments about other clubs, I take it that no one else is still a bit worried about our situation? I probably just need to grow a pair!
I'm still worried.
No league game this weekend, Man Citeh away the following week (which based on our record up there looks like the definition of a home banker, even if they have slipped a bit recently) which means we're into May before we'll realistically pick up three points again.
If we don't manage that against Everton, the pressure will be huge.
Judging by the comments about other clubs, I take it that no one else is still a bit worried about our situation? I probably just need to grow a pair!
I'm still worried.
No league game this weekend, Man Citeh away the following week (which based on our record up there looks like the definition of a home banker, even if they have slipped a bit recently) which means we're into May before we'll realistically pick up three points again.
If we don't manage that against Everton, the pressure will be huge.
Man City have lost 6 out of 8. They're shitting it at the prospect of facing us.
I expect most Spurs fans thought the same.Judging by the comments about other clubs, I take it that no one else is still a bit worried about our situation? I probably just need to grow a pair!
I'm still worried.
No league game this weekend, Man Citeh away the following week (which based on our record up there looks like the definition of a home banker, even if they have slipped a bit recently) which means we're into May before we'll realistically pick up three points again.
If we don't manage that against Everton, the pressure will be huge.
Man City have lost 6 out of 8. They're shitting it at the prospect of facing us.
Are they really though? I can't imagine many City fans expecting anything other than 3 points, given the two club's league positions and their PL home record against us.
I expect most Spurs fans thought the same.Judging by the comments about other clubs, I take it that no one else is still a bit worried about our situation? I probably just need to grow a pair!
I'm still worried.
No league game this weekend, Man Citeh away the following week (which based on our record up there looks like the definition of a home banker, even if they have slipped a bit recently) which means we're into May before we'll realistically pick up three points again.
If we don't manage that against Everton, the pressure will be huge.
Man City have lost 6 out of 8. They're shitting it at the prospect of facing us.
Are they really though? I can't imagine many City fans expecting anything other than 3 points, given the two club's league positions and their PL home record against us.
When did west ham last win a football match ?
When did west ham last win a football match ?
World Cup Final 1966
When did west ham last win a football match ?
World Cup Final 1966
It's a cracker!
Personally i think we just need 4 more points. I can't see why we won't manage that with our remaining fixtures and am therefore pretty chilled. Slippers on and bong in hand.
Personally i think we just need 4 more points. I can't see why we won't manage that with our remaining fixtures and am therefore pretty chilled. Slippers on and bong in hand.
You are Raheem Sterling and I claim my £5
I bet no rational opposition fans are viewing the prospect of playing against us as a guaranteed 3 points for the rest of the season. Not saying at all we won't lose, but we won't lose lying down anymore like we used to.
I bet no rational opposition fans are viewing the prospect of playing against us as a guaranteed 3 points for the rest of the season. Not saying at all we won't lose, but we won't lose lying down anymore like we used to.
I think back to that Hull away game and remember how totally awful we were.
I bet no rational opposition fans are viewing the prospect of playing against us as a guaranteed 3 points for the rest of the season. Not saying at all we won't lose, but we won't lose lying down anymore like we used to.
I think back to that Hull away game and remember how totally awful we were.
Definitely in my top 5 ever worst villa performances I've been at. We were truly shocking,I bet no rational opposition fans are viewing the prospect of playing against us as a guaranteed 3 points for the rest of the season. Not saying at all we won't lose, but we won't lose lying down anymore like we used to.
I think back to that Hull away game and remember how totally awful we were.
An end to the shitty new records that we've managed to accumulate under PL would be nice too.
And Leicester...a bloody low point that was.
Played off the park by Leicester fu**ing City, starring Marc Albrighton.
We were truly shit that day...and we knew it!
An end to the shitty new records that we've managed to accumulate under PL would be nice too.
Aren't we currently on 3 home league wins for the season? One less than TSM's record which Lambert equalled.
It's easy to say, but I look at games like Newcastle, Sunderland, Palace at home, West Brom, Burnley, Leicester and Hull away and think that with Sherwood and an attacking intent, we could easily be 10-12 points better off.Yep, we'd be safe mid table now if he'd been in at say January. Equally the two home games at Xmas v palace and Sunderland that's another 4 points right there
I bet no rational opposition fans are viewing the prospect of playing against us as a guaranteed 3 points for the rest of the season. Not saying at all we won't lose, but we won't lose lying down anymore like we used to.
I think back to that Hull away game and remember how totally awful we were.
And not just that game Clamps. There were a number of games Lambert sent the team out draped in white flags. I never want to see that again.
I am more concerned than ever especially than two years ago but it worked last time so I feel duty bound to try and plot our escape again. Here goes.Opening post to this and very accurate so far regarding points, but not quite where you predicted. Think it will be accurate for the final 5, should get 5 points easily and be more than safe. Then we can concentrate on the final.
Newcastle v Aston Vila - Draw 1 point
Aston Villa v West Brom - Draw 1 point
Sunderland v Aston Villa - Win 3 points
Aston Villa v Swansea - Win 3 points
Man Utd v Aston Villa - lose 0 points
Tottenham v Aston Villa - lose 0 points
Aston Villa v QPR - Win 3 points
Man City v Aston Villa - Lose 0 points
Aston Villa v Everton - Draw 1 point
Aston Villa v West Ham - Draw 1 point
Southampton v Aston Villa - Lose 0 points
Aston Villa v Burnley - Win 3 points
Gives us 38 points. Enough I think but one hell of a task ill grant you.
Two years ago we had 24 points at this stage of the season and ended on 41.
Not sure 34 pts is enough after all.
With Benteke in this form, Delph and TC playing very well and Grealish looking a hell of a player, I'm pretty confident we'll be safe as houses this season. There's a few teams that are there for the taking in the last 5 games. Some will have one foot in their holidays, whilst I'd expect us to see off Burnley. Even the toughest game on paper, against City, doesn't seem that daunting now. We go for it and we can win it.
It doesn't look good for Baker and Clark. I wonder if Senderos is anywhere near close to getting back.With Benteke in this form, Delph and TC playing very well and Grealish looking a hell of a player, I'm pretty confident we'll be safe as houses this season. There's a few teams that are there for the taking in the last 5 games. Some will have one foot in their holidays, whilst I'd expect us to see off Burnley. Even the toughest game on paper, against City, doesn't seem that daunting now. We go for it and we can win it.
Need to keep our remaining 2 CB's fit. That is key
Where the f*ck is Senderos?
Last night.Where the f*ck is Senderos?
Didn't he play in a reserve game last week? Cissohko played in it as well I think.
Last night.Where the f*ck is Senderos?
Didn't he play in a reserve game last week? Cissohko played in it as well I think.
Next season, I'm hoping not to be hoping Crystal Palace or Stoke will do us a favour.Looking over our shoulders at burnley, Leicester , qpr ???
Next season, I'm hoping not to be hoping Crystal Palace or Stoke will do us a favour.
He's back in Saturdays squadLast night.Where the f*ck is Senderos?
Didn't he play in a reserve game last week? Cissohko played in it as well I think.
Newcastle not out of it yet.
Next season, I'm hoping not to be hoping Crystal Palace or Stoke will do us a favour.
...unless they're playing Chelsea/City/Arse
Fingers crossed for:
Draw
Away win
Away win
Home win
Away win
Home win
Got a feeling this will be another weekend where we have to panic a little bit again. Can see QPR and Leicester winning mainly because West Ham don't seem to give a shit and Leicester are on a bit of a roll. Hoping Hull and Sunderland get nothing but you never know the way this season's going. Can't work out which is the best result for us in the Burnley game? Probably a draw. Or we could just win our game and I won't care less about any of them.
Yes, but we've had two brilliant (league) weekends out of something the past 3 played. Law of sod means that one of the set of games will go against us.
So other fixtures this weekend to be mindful of...
Burnley v Leicester
Newcastle v Swansea
QPR v West Ham
Stoke v Sunderland
WBA v Liverpool
Palace v Hull
...all those games kick off at 3pm so we'll know how much (or how little) damage has been done before we kick off at the Etihad.
Well I don't think 33 points is enough anymore
Sunderland are done forI agree, I think the following will pick up like this WBA -1, avfc- 3, s'land-2, hull-3, qpr-3, burnley-4, Leicester-7 and Newcastle -4..... Table therefore will be ;
You reckon we're going to lose (not just fail to beat, but lose) to three of Everton, Southampton, West Ham and Burnley?Sunderland are done forI agree, I think the following will pick up like this WBA -1, avfc- 3, s'land-2, hull-3, qpr-3, burnley-4, Leicester-7 and Newcastle -4..... Table therefore will be ;
Newcastle- 39
Leicester- 38
WBA - 38
Hull - 35
Avfc - 35
Sunderland - 32
Burnley - 30
Qpr - 30
You reckon we're going to lose (not just fail to beat, but lose) to three of Everton, Southampton, West Ham and Burnley?Sunderland are done forI agree, I think the following will pick up like this WBA -1, avfc- 3, s'land-2, hull-3, qpr-3, burnley-4, Leicester-7 and Newcastle -4..... Table therefore will be ;
Newcastle- 39
Leicester- 38
WBA - 38
Hull - 35
Avfc - 35
Sunderland - 32
Burnley - 30
Qpr - 30
Wow.
*nods*You reckon we're going to lose (not just fail to beat, but lose) to three of Everton, Southampton, West Ham and Burnley?Sunderland are done forI agree, I think the following will pick up like this WBA -1, avfc- 3, s'land-2, hull-3, qpr-3, burnley-4, Leicester-7 and Newcastle -4..... Table therefore will be ;
Newcastle- 39
Leicester- 38
WBA - 38
Hull - 35
Avfc - 35
Sunderland - 32
Burnley - 30
Qpr - 30
Wow.
Or he may think we'll lose 1 and draw 3.
We really need villa park rocking next Saturday. We just can't afford another flat performance and atmosphere similar to the Swansea home game.
We really need villa park rocking next Saturday. We just can't afford another flat performance and atmosphere similar to the Swansea home game.
Lose to Everton and it's time to really panic.We really need villa park rocking next Saturday. We just can't afford another flat performance and atmosphere similar to the Swansea home game.
We have improved under Sherwood no doubt, but I still cant help feeling this is the year we drop.
Agree on Burnley. With the cup final a week later it worries me we could need results from it.Get it done next weekend and we can look to points against Wetspam and Sourhampton ... Perhaps!
Nearly all of the league games under Sherwood have been close so I think we can expect the last four to be the same. This very positive approach will see us home I think, but not before some scary moments along the way. Score draw against Everton and a late late winner for us against West Ham I reckon.
We are easily the best side down there and will be safe before the final day.
Hull's game in hand is Liverpool at home, Leicester's is Chelsea on Wednesday (who may be able to win the title) and Sunderland's is away at Arsenal. That QPR, Leicester, Sunderland and Hull all play each other helps too.
We're a lot closer tan we ought to be and that is down to Lambert effectively writing off January and February for us.
The team we play next are currently beating man Utd 2-0
Let's hope they use up all their energy and passion trying to beat the mancs
I didn't get that impression at all. My take from that is that we have to cut out the stupid errors that are costing us goals. But I don't see him at all changing his attacking intent and the desire to dominate possession and create chances.Yes, sorry that's what I meant. I don't for one minute think he's going to suddenly turn into Pulis I think he'd rather we went down fighting than do that.
Everton are in very good form
I wouldn't be upset with a draw as long as other sides aren't pulling off shock wins right left and centre
The good news about their form (WWWDWW) is that they are due a loss...looks like perfect timing to me! ;)Everton are in very good form
I wouldn't be upset with a draw as long as other sides aren't pulling off shock wins right left and centre
Just seen that they've had 5 wins out of their last 6 games??! Sheeeeeet!! Just what we need.
Everton are in very good form
I wouldn't be upset with a draw as long as other sides aren't pulling off shock wins right left and centre
Just seen that they've had 5 wins out of their last 6 games??! Sheeeeeet!! Just what we need.
I've been thinking. If Darren Bent's loan spell at Derby ends after their last game, which could be the play off final on 25th May, is he available to us for the cup final?Think he played for Derby in the Cup so cup-tied.
I've been thinking. If Darren Bent's loan spell at Derby ends after their last game, which could be the play off final on 25th May, is he available to us for the cup final?Think he played for Derby in the Cup so cup-tied.
I've been thinking. If Darren Bent's loan spell at Derby ends after their last game, which could be the play off final on 25th May, is he available to us for the cup final?Think he played for Derby in the Cup so cup-tied.
If Derby don't make the play offs their season ends on 2nd May and we'd still have 3 league games left after that.
I've been thinking. If Darren Bent's loan spell at Derby ends after their last game, which could be the play off final on 25th May, is he available to us for the cup final?Think he played for Derby in the Cup so cup-tied.
If Derby don't make the play offs their season ends on 2nd May and we'd still have 3 league games left after that.
And contracts end at the end of June.
I don't think 33 will be enough, Leicester's run has rallied a couple of the other teams as well.
I did a predictor today and had us on 35 with Sunderland on 34 and taking last spot. Qpr and burnley on 30.
I did a predictor today and had us on 35 with Sunderland on 34 and taking last spot. Qpr and burnley on 30.How did you only have us picking up 3 points? West Ham , Burnley???
Leicesters next home game is home to Newcastle. Football being football , Newcastle will probably halt the Foxes charge.That's what I predict too. Newcastle haven't won in ages, Leicester on incredible run, 0-1 I reckon
Agree. Leicester got very very lucky at burnley I thought.Leicesters next home game is home to Newcastle. Football being football , Newcastle will probably halt the Foxes charge.That's what I predict too. Newcastle haven't won in ages, Leicester on incredible run, 0-1 I reckon
I did a predictor today and had us on 35 with Sunderland on 34 and taking last spot. Qpr and burnley on 30.How did you only have us picking up 3 points? West Ham , Burnley???
You reckon we're going to lose (not just fail to beat, but lose) to three of Everton, Southampton, West Ham and Burnley?Sunderland are done forI agree, I think the following will pick up like this WBA -1, avfc- 3, s'land-2, hull-3, qpr-3, burnley-4, Leicester-7 and Newcastle -4..... Table therefore will be ;
Newcastle- 39
Leicester- 38
WBA - 38
Hull - 35
Avfc - 35
Sunderland - 32
Burnley - 30
Qpr - 30
Wow.
*nods*You reckon we're going to lose (not just fail to beat, but lose) to three of Everton, Southampton, West Ham and Burnley?Sunderland are done forI agree, I think the following will pick up like this WBA -1, avfc- 3, s'land-2, hull-3, qpr-3, burnley-4, Leicester-7 and Newcastle -4..... Table therefore will be ;
Newcastle- 39
Leicester- 38
WBA - 38
Hull - 35
Avfc - 35
Sunderland - 32
Burnley - 30
Qpr - 30
Wow.
Or he may think we'll lose 1 and draw 3.
Also true.
Out of our 4 remaining games, I'm mostly confident about Saints away.
Games at villa park are nervous.
Out of our 4 remaining games, I'm mostly confident about Saints away.The one that a couple of weeks ago you said we might as well write off and not even bother turning up for?
Its odd that Leicester have four home games left and only one away. Hull too I think.
It would be a big surprise if Leicester don't beat Newcastle but stranger things have happened
I'm a bit worried hull will beat Liverpool
I'm very worried about everton's form, although the only side they've beaten away from home recently is QPR. But I can just see us conceding at least one stupid goal
Saturday is going to be a tough game. I can see us beating both West Ham and Burnley though, which hopefully will be enough.
With all the talk of hull and west brom's run in, I hadn't realised how bad sunderland's is. They have arsenal and Chelsea in the final two. Upsets can happen, but if we're ahead of Sunderland w two games to go you'd have to fancy our chances.
To get ahead of us before then, Sunderland will need to get two Pts more than us from Southampton and Leicester at home, and Everton away, while we play Everton and West Ham. Leicester looks the most winnable but even that has obvious benefits
they're in real trouble.
But let's not leave it to the final day
I can only see a draw v Everton if I'm being logical.
The weekend was a salutary reminder of where we are as a club and where they are. Don't think we are solid enough to win, or crap enough to lose, I'm going 1-1.I can only see a draw v Everton if I'm being logical.
I see the happy pills have kicked in :)
Where we are as a club is that we just beat Spurs at their place, Liverpool at Wembley, and took the champions of England to the 89th minute before they beat us having been the first team in 6 years to dominate possession against them at their ground. I don't know if that translates to beating Everton this weekend but for me it translates to us staying up and in the end relatively comfortably.I think the relatively comfortably argument is out the window.
Where we are as a club is that we just beat Spurs at their place, Liverpool at Wembley, and took the champions of England to the 89th minute before they beat us having been the first team in 6 years to dominate possession against them at their ground. I don't know if that translates to beating Everton this weekend but for me it translates to us staying up and in the end relatively comfortably.
Where we are as a club is that we just beat Spurs at their place, Liverpool at Wembley, and took the champions of England to the 89th minute before they beat us having been the first team in 6 years to dominate possession against them at their ground. I don't know if that translates to beating Everton this weekend but for me it translates to us staying up and in the end relatively comfortably.
If we were two Pts off relegation w 10 games to go I'd agree
But this could turn on a couple of moments and our speight of clangers is what is making me nervous
The weekend was a salutary reminder of where we are as a club and where they are. Don't think we are solid enough to win, or crap enough to lose, I'm going 1-1.I can only see a draw v Everton if I'm being logical.
I see the happy pills have kicked in :)
We should be aiming to remain unbeaten for the rest of the season, 8-10 points. No reason why we can't.
The weekend was a salutary reminder of where we are as a club and where they are. Don't think we are solid enough to win, or crap enough to lose, I'm going 1-1.I can only see a draw v Everton if I'm being logical.
I see the happy pills have kicked in :)
I think the lesson learned from the weekend is that we cant defend and they can ( or at least on Sunday). Other than that I dont think there is much between the sides and home advantage for us could be enough
We should be aiming to remain unbeaten for the rest of the season, 8-10 points. No reason why we can't.
Quite. I'm very confident we will match or bette them. But we probably need to be two goals better than them to win by one
We could really do with Hull losing tonight.
Liverpool had better turn up tonight.
I went through the remaining fixtures and as silly as it seems we may have enough points already.
Hull's recent performances haven't been as bad as their results have suggested, and they mullered Palace. They couldeasily win tonight. A dull Chelsea performance and only a point sees us in the bottom 3. We need 4 points. I'm getting edgy as hell because I fancy Sunderland to win on saturday, too. 3 points v everton and I'll relax but I think they'll do us.
Liverpool had better turn up tonight.
Liverpool had better turn up tonight.
None of their fans are apparently - baulking at the £50 asking price.
Liverpool had better turn up tonight.
None of their fans are apparently - baulking at the £50 asking price.
Good for them, its disgusting
Not worried unless Sunderland start winning.Think they will on Saturday v Southampton at home.
Liverpool had better turn up tonight.
None of their fans are apparently - baulking at the £50 asking price.
That should be 3 points...we came from behind to rescue a point against QPR so you can't count that as 2 points dropped.
Bloody hope Southampton win on Saturday.
Christ alive getting tight now,praying we can get the win on Saturday and Southampton win,that should be enough.If not, I think we'll get a point then do West Ham - they're rubbish at the moment and there for the taking.
If you check out the form guide Everton are top and we're about 14th. 7pts from 6 games.What has looked an easyish fixture for months now looks daunting
Hmmm.
If you check out the form guide Everton are top and we're about 14th. 7pts from 6 games.What has looked an easyish fixture for months now looks daunting
Hmmm.
If results go against us Saturday our destiny could be out of our hands.
If you check out the form guide Everton are top and we're about 14th. 7pts from 6 games.What has looked an easyish fixture for months now looks daunting
Hmmm.
Man U apart they're not scoring too many though. And we are a big threat
I really hope villa are concentrating on defence this week. Another defensive performance like v QPR and we lose
Everton have kept 2 away clean sheets in the league all season. Have they suddenly morphed into Barcelona without me noticing?
If you check out the form guide Everton are top and we're about 14th. 7pts from 6 games.And are there at least three teams below us in both the form guide and the actual league table?
Hmmm.
Man U apart they're not scoring too many though. And we are a big threat
I really hope villa are concentrating on defence this week. Another defensive performance like v QPR and we lose
Another attacking perfomance like QPR and we win.
Man U apart they're not scoring too many though. And we are a big threat
I really hope villa are concentrating on defence this week. Another defensive performance like v QPR and we lose
Another attacking perfomance like QPR and we win.
Another defending performance like QPR and we don't, though.
Still 9/1 for the drop. No change. The bookies now put Sunderland for the drop.
Man U apart they're not scoring too many though. And we are a big threat
I really hope villa are concentrating on defence this week. Another defensive performance like v QPR and we lose
Another attacking perfomance like QPR and we win.
Another defending performance like QPR and we don't, though.
Let's stick with the positives.
Basically, we need some points, and we've got four matches in which to get them.
if we don't get enough then, to be honest, we'll have deserved it.
The Swansea and Stoke defeats are looking like a couple of particularly large missed opportunities. As is Sunday, for that matter.
We need to manage to cut out the stupid errors for one or two games and get some points on the board, as we're running out of matches in which to do it.Other people are running out of matches.
Surely the run against Everton has to end sometime - no better time than now. I have a good feeling about it. Yes you heard it right, I have a good feeling about something.
What happened on Sunday that I missed?
Just realised that Sunderland's game in hand is away at Arsenal and it's not till May 20th.I wouldn't trust arsenal for a nano second
Just realised that Sunderland's game in hand is away at Arsenal and it's not till May 20th.I wouldn't trust arsenal for a nano second
Just realised that Sunderland's game in hand is away at Arsenal and it's not till May 20th.I wouldn't trust arsenal for a nano second
If you finish 2nd or 3rd is there a difference to CL entry level ?
If you finish 2nd or 3rd is there a difference to CL entry level ?
Chelsea will have tied up the League by the time they play Sunderland, and Arsenal's main motivation will be not to finish 4th and have to play the qualifying match for the Champions League. We can't bank on Sunderland not taking something from either/both of them.Agree
Basically, all the Hull result has done is take away one of our insurance policies, in the event that we fuck up and don't get the 4-5 points we probably need. We can't rely on Sunderland to keep being so shit, or for Leicester to start losing.
Fun fact time.
We've scored 11 goals in our last 6 league games.
We scored 12 in our first 25.
We needed 4-6 points this morning, we still need 4-6 points. The Hull result hasn't changed that so how we're suddenly fucked is beyond me.
I'm convinced we'll win our 3 remaining home games. This is a very different Villa to the horrors of Lambert's reign.When did we last do that I wonder ?
I'm convinced we'll win our 3 remaining home games. This is a very different Villa to the horrors of Lambert's reign.When did we last do that I wonder ?
We needed 4-6 points this morning, we still need 4-6 points. The Hull result hasn't changed that so how we're suddenly fucked is beyond me.
As individual games, there's a case to be made that Villa could at least get something out of each of them (apart from Man City away).
However, there's an equally good case that can be made for Villa not to get anything out of any of them.
Neither will happen, therefore I'm predicting something in between that will lead to Villa either being relegated or not.
There you go, how about that for in depth analysis.
Statement 1 was spot on. The square root of fuck allAs individual games, there's a case to be made that Villa could at least get something out of each of them (apart from Man City away).
However, there's an equally good case that can be made for Villa not to get anything out of any of them.
Neither will happen, therefore I'm predicting something in between that will lead to Villa either being relegated or not.
There you go, how about that for in depth analysis.
Just thought I'd drag this one back to cheer everyone up. Made me laugh.
All the teams around us would love to have our run home.
For the first half hour of the City game it was clearly a case of 'after the Lord Mayor's show'. I'm sure we'll be totally focussed on the league now until we're safe so hopefully we can do the necessary.
All the teams around us would love to have our run home.
And our squad.
need to get right behind the boys on Saturday and the rest of the season.
I don't get why QPR have consistently been much shorter odds than Burnley
I just did this, being as harsh on Villa as I could be -
http://www.skybet.com/cms/relegation-battle.shtm
Bottom three: Sunderland QPR Burnley.
That's what I had, with QPR finishing 18th on 32 points.I just did this, being as harsh on Villa as I could be -
http://www.skybet.com/cms/relegation-battle.shtm
Bottom three: Sunderland QPR Burnley.
I got the same.
I just did this, being as harsh on Villa as I could be -
http://www.skybet.com/cms/relegation-battle.shtm
Bottom three: Sunderland QPR Burnley.
My bottom 3 was
18 Hull 34
19 Q.P.R 30
20 Burnley 27
My bottom 3 was
18 Hull 34
19 Q.P.R 30
20 Burnley 27
I got very similar but there's a few points that will get picked up.
18. Hull 32
19. Burnley 31
20. QPR 30
My bottom 3 was
18 Hull 34
19 Q.P.R 30
20 Burnley 27
I got very similar but there's a few points that will get picked up.
18. Hull 32
19. Burnley 31
20. QPR 30
Not trying to be picky, but haven't Hull got 34 points already ?
My bottom 3 was
18 Hull 34
19 Q.P.R 30
20 Burnley 27
Getting no favours from anyone at all currently.
Sure we have to take care of our own matches but this is ridiculous
Commentators here have just said that the Danish bookies (who work with market makers rather than computer algorithms) have set the mark for survival at 33½ points. i.e. you can bet under to say 33 points or less to survive, or bet over to say 34 points or more to survive. That will be placed on the point of greatest uncertainty.Sounds about as appealing as playing the Health Lottery
So if anyone thinks it's so set in stone that it'll be a high points total get yourselves onto oddset.dk or betfair.dk.
Commentators here have just said that the Danish bookies (who work with market makers rather than computer algorithms) have set the mark for survival at 33½ points. i.e. you can bet under to say 33 points or less to survive, or bet over to say 34 points or more to survive. That will be placed on the point of greatest uncertainty.Sounds about as appealing as playing the Health Lottery
So if anyone thinks it's so set in stone that it'll be a high points total get yourselves onto oddset.dk or betfair.dk.
Looking at it, 4 more points might be enough and that could be downgraded if Southampton were to win tomorrow night.
I just saw that they've got 5 games to play so assumed they played their game in hand tomorrow. The point still holds for Saturday then. If we win and Sunderland lose, the odds of us going down will rocket.
Looking at it, 4 more points might be enough and that could be downgraded if Southampton were to win tomorrow night.
Tomorrow? Do you mean Saturday at Sunderland or am I being dim?
I just saw that they've got 5 games to play so assumed they played their game in hand tomorrow. The point still holds for Saturday then. If we win and Sunderland lose, the odds of us going down will rocket.Please no games tomorrow ? Need a night off this BS ;)
We'll finish above Albion.
Imagine how much it would kill them if we won the cup and finished above them. It would take them decades to get over it.It's still taking them longer than that after the last time...and the one before that...and the one before that...etc!
Imagine how much it would kill them if we won the cup and finished above them. It would take them decades to get over it.
Newcastle will have a BIG say in who goes down.....Whay ay N'fuckwits....Win,Draw,Won,lose please... but is a hard one to call.
Imagine how much it would kill them if we won the cup and finished above them. It would take them decades to get over it.
What would be massively funny after all the bullshit Carver came out with when we played them is if he takes them down. Talk about poetic justice.
What would be massively funny after all the bullshit Carver came out with when we played them is if he takes them down. Talk about poetic justice.
What would be massively funny after all the bullshit Carver came out with when we played them is if he takes them down. Talk about poetic justice.
Albion and Newcastle to somehow manage go down. If Carlsberg did relegations...........
What would be massively funny after all the bullshit Carver came out with when we played them is if he takes them down. Talk about poetic justice.
I think there is a good chance Newcastle are already safe and I'd expect them to get at least a couple of points more, so I hope they beat Leicester, West brom and qpr
What are the run ins for our principal rivals?
13 West Brom 34 -14 37
14 Newcastle 34 -21 35
15 Hull 34 -13 34
16 Aston Villa 34 -22 32
17 Leicester 34 -18 31
18 Sunderland 33 -23 30
19 QPR 34 -21 27
20 Burnley 34 -26 26
Remaining fixtures
West Brom
Man Utd v West Brom
Newcastle v West Brom
West Brom v Chelsea
Arsenal v West Brom
Newcastle
Leicester v Newcastle
Newcastle v West Brom
QPR v Newcastle
Newcastle v West Ham
Sunderland
Sunderland v Southampton
Everton v Sunderland
Sunderland v Leicester
Arsenal v Sunderland
Chelsea v Sunderland
Hull
Hull v Arsenal
Hull v Burnley
Tottenham v Hull
Hull v Man Utd
Aston Villa
Aston Villa v Everton
Aston Villa v West Ham
Southampton v Aston Villa
Aston Villa v Burnley
Burnley
West Ham v Burnley
Hull v Burnley
Burnley v Stoke
Aston Villa v Burnley
QPR
Liverpool v QPR
Man City v QPR
QPR v Newcastle
Leicester v QPR
Leicester
Leicester v Newcastle
Leicester v Southampton
Sunderland v Leicester
Leicester v QPR
Morgan Schneiderlin is apparently out for the rest of the season - Southampton are a completely different side with him in it.
Which can only be good for the penultimate match.
if ever there was a game we can't afford to loose it's Everton. If we get turned over it's going to be very hard to regain the confidence we need to then have to beat West Ham. Avoid defeat, get a win against WHU and we stay up
I'm a bit peeved that we got within a point of albion but now without playing too badly we are 5 behind them.
This Leicester score isn't great.
This Leicester score isn't great.Not a big surprise though, Newcastle somehow look even worse than we did under Lambert.
I'm pretty sure he's shown that in abundance since he took over.This Leicester score isn't great.
Definitely need a win today. Tim needs to prove his motivation skills now.
I assume Newcastle fans version of this thread is blowing up right now. Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch.Especially after they took the piss out of us a few weeks ago......
I assume Newcastle fans version of this thread is blowing up right now. Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch.
Shame Newcastle have got very winnable fixtures. Albion will roll over for them, QPR may well be down and West Ham probably won't show up on the last day.
Shame Newcastle have got very winnable fixtures. Albion will roll over for them, QPR may well be down and West Ham probably won't show up on the last day.
When you've lost 8 straight and your manager then goes and accuses a player of getting deliberately sent off any confidence or bond they might have had is gone. No game is going to be easy and every team will play off that. One goal is all takes to get them to fold. I really can see them going.
Had an Albion fan say to me today..."well we're safe" followed by a silly chuckle. My reply was " yep you're safe.plus you're not going to Wembley,plus you're shit to watch,plus you're all small minded wankers who follow a small time football club who last won something when colour TV hadn't been invented plus you're an embarrassment to brummies because people outside the area can't tell the difference between brummies and fuckin half wits like you..! I didn't wait for a reply because I didn't have the time to wait for the idiots brain to start working.How shit must it be to have your whole football entertainment revolve around how well you do compared to a local rival? Must be so shit being a Baggie.
Shame Newcastle have got very winnable fixtures. Albion will roll over for them, QPR may well be down and West Ham probably won't show up on the last day.
When you've lost 8 straight and your manager then goes and accuses a player of getting deliberately sent off any confidence or bond they might have had is gone. No game is going to be easy and every team will play off that. One goal is all takes to get them to fold. I really can see them going.
All the momentum's going against them at the moment. I would be very surprised if they didn't bring someone else in for the last 3 games.
Pity we fucked up and gave them the three points in our last matchup. They were piss-poor that day as well.
Shame Newcastle have got very winnable fixtures. Albion will roll over for them, QPR may well be down and West Ham probably won't show up on the last day.
When you've lost 8 straight and your manager then goes and accuses a player of getting deliberately sent off any confidence or bond they might have had is gone. No game is going to be easy and every team will play off that. One goal is all takes to get them to fold. I really can see them going.
All the momentum's going against them at the moment. I would be very surprised if they didn't bring someone else in for the last 3 games.
The might but who is going to parachute in and make any difference now? Not saying it's not possible but it might just be too late now. At least I very much hope so.
Shame Newcastle have got very winnable fixtures. Albion will roll over for them, QPR may well be down and West Ham probably won't show up on the last day.
When you've lost 8 straight and your manager then goes and accuses a player of getting deliberately sent off any confidence or bond they might have had is gone. No game is going to be easy and every team will play off that. One goal is all takes to get them to fold. I really can see them going.
All the momentum's going against them at the moment. I would be very surprised if they didn't bring someone else in for the last 3 games.
The might but who is going to parachute in and make any difference now? Not saying it's not possible but it might just be too late now. At least I very much hope so.
Shame Newcastle have got very winnable fixtures. Albion will roll over for them, QPR may well be down and West Ham probably won't show up on the last day.
When you've lost 8 straight and your manager then goes and accuses a player of getting deliberately sent off any confidence or bond they might have had is gone. No game is going to be easy and every team will play off that. One goal is all takes to get them to fold. I really can see them going.
All the momentum's going against them at the moment. I would be very surprised if they didn't bring someone else in for the last 3 games.
The might but who is going to parachute in and make any difference now? Not saying it's not possible but it might just be too late now. At least I very much hope so.
Harry Redknapp will keep them up! :-D
West Brom have Chelsea and Arsenal as their last 2 fixtures. They need something up at Newcastle.
Newcastle have got 38 points - they're safe.
If we can't get 5 points from those 3 we deserve to go down. I can't see Newcastle getting another point.
If we can't get 5 points from those 3 we deserve to go down. I can't see Newcastle getting another point.
I have us ending on 42 and an FA Cup winners medal
I thought Newcastle were now below us on 35 points?
If the bitter birds had 2 more points maybe I'd agree with you, but they aren't exactly safe either yet.I thought Newcastle were now below us on 35 points?
And next week they play?
Newcastle have got 38 points - they're safe.
Fuck 'em all, because it's not us going.
Clearly I spoke too soon the jammy inbreds.If the bitter birds had 2 more points maybe I'd agree with you, but they aren't exactly safe either yet.I thought Newcastle were now below us on 35 points?
And next week they play?
FFS - NEWCASTLE HAVE 35 POINTS!! Not 38.....
If Sunderland play like that against Arsenal or Everton or Chelsea they'll be beaten.
If Sunderland play like that against Arsenal or Everton or Chelsea they'll be beaten.
I'm hoping Everton play better than they did today. I thought they were very poor. But Lukaku against O'Shea might be amusing.
Only thing I'd ask for is that once we are indeed safe this thread and all threads like it are deleted and never ever raise their heads ever again.
This is going to be a North East relegation scrap.Definitely Newcastle. Far funnier and far less inclined to give us points than the others.
Who of the three joins Burnley and QPR, I care little.
They will rush through McLaren now won't they, which will probably see them pick up at least 1 win from their last 3. Mind you, Allardyce at Newcastle on the final day. He would enjoy relegating them more than probably anyone.
Then again.....
http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/newcastle-striker-papiss-cisse-facing-9155720
We are capable of another 9 points to get us to 44.
I don't think teams deliberately go out and roll over so have faith Albion will get something next week.
What's really nagging away at me is that'd we're playing great, picking up points and yet we are still deep in it. Other teams round us (Leicester apart) are jamming their way to points like Sunderland and Albion both did yesterday and Hull have of late.
I just fear after several really great performances we've got a really shit one due and this isn't the time to have a shocker. A couple of poor performances and were in deep shit. There is still no margin for error, which seems almost unfair thy way we've been playing.
Can anyone talk sense and tell me its going to be alright please.
What's really nagging away at me is that'd we're playing great, picking up points and yet we are still deep in it. Other teams round us (Leicester apart) are jamming their way to points like Sunderland and Albion both did yesterday and Hull have of late.
I just fear after several really great performances we've got a really shit one due and this isn't the time to have a shocker. A couple of poor performances and were in deep shit. There is still no margin for error, which seems almost unfair thy way we've been playing.
Can anyone talk sense and tell me its going to be alright please.
No. I have exactly the same concerns as you. We have no margin for a bit of bad luck, or a bad display.
They will rush through McLaren now won't they, which will probably see them pick up at least 1 win from their last 3. Mind you, Allardyce at Newcastle on the final day. He would enjoy relegating them more than probably anyone.
What's really nagging away at me is that'd we're playing great, picking up points and yet we are still deep in it. Other teams round us (Leicester apart) are jamming their way to points like Sunderland and Albion both did yesterday and Hull have of late.
I just fear after several really great performances we've got a really shit one due and this isn't the time to have a shocker. A couple of poor performances and were in deep shit. There is still no margin for error, which seems almost unfair thy way we've been playing.
Can anyone talk sense and tell me its going to be alright please.
No. I have exactly the same concerns as you. We have no margin for a bit of bad luck, or a bad display.
I can understand the apprehension of many on here, but I'd also ask the question...would you swap places or run-ins with any of our rivals?
39 points is needed.I'm pretty sure that we'll comfortably get more than that, but you reckon that both Sunderland and Hull are going to win two more of their matches?
It would be nice to get it done pre-Burnley so we can rotate a few before 30 May.That is unlikely unless we win both games prior to that however we will be 99% OK going into that match.
It would be nice to get it done pre-Burnley so we can rotate a few before 30 May.That is unlikely unless we win both games prior to that however we will be 99% OK going into that match.
They shouldn't but this has been a weird season.39 points is needed.I'm pretty sure that we'll comfortably get more than that, but you reckon that both Sunderland and Hull are going to win two more of their matches?
I bet you that they don't.
I hoping Leicester beat Sunderland, which will make it very hard with Sunderland to face Everton, Aresenal and Chelsea away. Do you agree?
I hoping Leicester beat Sunderland, which will make it very hard with Sunderland to face Everton, Aresenal and Chelsea away. Do you agree?
I hoping Leicester beat Sunderland, which will make it very hard with Sunderland to face Everton, Aresenal and Chelsea away. Do you agree?
Yep. That game is Sunderlands's best chance of 3pts because those other 3 games are rock. If they need to win 2 out of those 3 to stay up they're doomed
I hoping Leicester beat Sunderland, which will make it very hard with Sunderland to face Everton, Aresenal and Chelsea away. Do you agree?
Yep. That game is Sunderlands's best chance of 3pts because those other 3 games are rock. If they need to win 2 out of those 3 to stay up they're doomed
Not that I think there's anything to worry about, but Mourinho's only home league loss in either spell as Chelsea manager?
Sunderland.
Which makes it all the more unlikely an absolutely dire team like Sunderland will keep that record up.I hoping Leicester beat Sunderland, which will make it very hard with Sunderland to face Everton, Aresenal and Chelsea away. Do you agree?
Yep. That game is Sunderlands's best chance of 3pts because those other 3 games are rock. If they need to win 2 out of those 3 to stay up they're doomed
Not that I think there's anything to worry about, but Mourinho's only home league loss in either spell as Chelsea manager?
Sunderland.
Sunderland have won 2 and drawn 1 of their last 3 games against Chelsea.
Here's my view of the table after next weekends games -
WBA 43
Aston Villa 38
Newcastle 35
Hull City 34
Leicester City 34
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Sunderland 33
QPR 27
Burnley FC 26
Here's my view of the table after next weekends games -
WBA 40
Aston Villa 38
Newcastle 38
Hull City 37
Leicester City 35
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Sunderland 33
QPR 27
Burnley FC 26
I've got Newcastle on 38 if they beat WBA
I honestly think we can win our 3 remaining league games if we keep players fit, get decent referees etc.A couple of weeks ago you told us that the Southampton match was a write-off and not even worth turning up for.
West Ham are on about their 4th two week all inclusive holiday now since February.
Southampton are running on empty after a superb season.
Burnley should be more or less gone by the time they come to B6 and again they are on empty now .
At the time they were CL spot contenders.I honestly think we can win our 3 remaining league games if we keep players fit, get decent referees etc.A couple of weeks ago you told us that the Southampton match was a write-off and not even worth turning up for.
West Ham are on about their 4th two week all inclusive holiday now since February.
Southampton are running on empty after a superb season.
Burnley should be more or less gone by the time they come to B6 and again they are on empty now .
At the time they were CL spot contenders.I honestly think we can win our 3 remaining league games if we keep players fit, get decent referees etc.A couple of weeks ago you told us that the Southampton match was a write-off and not even worth turning up for.
West Ham are on about their 4th two week all inclusive holiday now since February.
Southampton are running on empty after a superb season.
Burnley should be more or less gone by the time they come to B6 and again they are on empty now .
That ship has sailed now.
If we win on Saturday and get to the stage where two of the teams below us need to win both of their last two games, then even I will relax.
If we win on Saturday and get to the stage where two of the teams below us need to win both of their last two games, then even I will relax.
Carver stays in charge for last 3 games, even mad Mike wouldn't have ditched him at this stage.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/32582358
If Albion roll over for Newcastle then there is no doubt what they are trying to do. If they do put oIut a load of beach towels and let the worst form team in the league waltz past them to score several goals then the FA should intervene and relegate them forever.
Looked at statto earlier and Derby only won two out of their last 13 games, one of which was against Blackpool. That really is a pretty spectacular capitulation.
Looked at statto earlier and Derby only won two out of their last 13 games, one of which was against Blackpool. That really is a pretty spectacular capitulation.Perfectly suited to the Newcastle job then. Seamless transition.
This weekend's fixtures for the clubs down there
Everton v Sunderland (early game)
Aston Villa v West Ham
Hull v Burnley
Leicester v Southampton
Newcastle v West Brom
Sunday
Man City v QPR
This weekend's fixtures for the clubs down there
Everton v Sunderland (early game)
Aston Villa v West Ham
Hull v Burnley
Leicester v Southampton
Newcastle v West Brom
Sunday
Man City v QPR
I think Everton will beat Sunderland and City will beat QPR. The other four are hard to call.
If Albion roll over for Newcastle then there is no doubt what they are trying to do. If they do put out a load of beach towels and let the worst form team in the league waltz past them to score several goals then the FA should intervene and relegate them forever.
14 Aston Villa 35 -21 35
15 Newcastle 35 -24 35
16 Leicester 35 -15 34
17 Hull 35 -15 34
18 Sunderland 34 -22 33
19 QPR 35 -22 27
20 Burnley 35 -27 26
Remaining fixtures
Newcastle
Newcastle v West Brom
QPR v Newcastle
Newcastle v West Ham
Sunderland
Everton v Sunderland
Sunderland v Leicester
Arsenal v Sunderland
Chelsea v Sunderland
Hull
Hull v Burnley
Tottenham v Hull
Hull v Man Utd
Aston Villa
Aston Villa v West Ham
Southampton v Aston Villa
Aston Villa v Burnley
Burnley
Hull v Burnley
Burnley v Stoke
Aston Villa v Burnley
QPR
Man City v QPR
QPR v Newcastle
Leicester v QPR
Leicester
Leicester v Southampton
Sunderland v Leicester
Leicester v QPR
I just had a browse on a Sunderland message board to gauge their mood and they mostly seem confident about avoiding relegation. What I also noticed is that even when they pen their thoughts they end sentences with 'like'.
Weird, like.
Mind you Phil Neville provided some good thoughtful analysis on the fight after Arsenal won last night and how its boiling up. To be fair to him, I, and I'll bet quite a few on here and elsewhere, hadn't quite considered this:Thank goodness for his professionally perfect perception and insight.
"I think Burnley and QPR are going to struggle, but the fight for the last remaining relegation place will go down to the last game."
I just had a browse on a Sunderland message board to gauge their mood and they mostly seem confident about avoiding relegation. What I also noticed is that even when they pen their thoughts they end sentences with 'like'.
Weird, like.
I think they're looking at Hull's fixtures as a cause for comfort but their last two games could well put Sunderland down like.
I just had a browse on a Sunderland message board to gauge their mood and they mostly seem confident about avoiding relegation. What I also noticed is that even when they pen their thoughts they end sentences with 'like'.
Weird, like.
I think they're looking at Hull's fixtures as a cause for comfort but their last two games could well put Sunderland down like.
I'm torn between wanting us safe as soon as possible and wanting everyone to win but Newcastle. Mainly because of Carvers 'that stuff stays with you' bollocks.
I'm torn between wanting us safe as soon as possible and wanting everyone to win but Newcastle. Mainly because of Carvers 'that stuff stays with you' bollocks.
My thoughts exactly. I found myself thinking how funny it would be for Newcastle to go down but then tried to mentally snap out of it considering we're only a few goals ahead of them. To be fair their fans are getting royally shafted, Ashley is a right tw@t and the whole Rangers thing on top of that - Jeez! If I wasn't mistaken I could of sworn I had some empathy twinges of sympathy for their fans and then I remembered how much they hate us and realised it must have just been the prunes I ate.
What are the odds of West Brom "not turning up" against Newcastle?
What are the odds of West Brom "not turning up" against Newcastle?
The way things are going for them at the moment, Newcastle would still find a way to lose even if there were no opposition players on the pitch.
Don't forget, as abysmal as Newcastle have been recently, they still managed to beat us.
Don't forget, as abysmal as Newcastle have been recently, they still managed to beat us.
Mind you Phil Neville provided some good thoughtful analysis on the fight after Arsenal won last night and how its boiling up. To be fair to him, I, and I'll bet quite a few on here and elsewhere, hadn't quite considered this:Excellent. Another gem from Philip alongside many others. That's why he is where he is and we are where we are! Also the way he delivers it with authority and impressive tone, makes the hair in your nose spike up!
"I think Burnley and QPR are going to struggle, but the fight for the last remaining relegation place will go down to the last game."
Mind you Phil Neville provided some good thoughtful analysis on the fight after Arsenal won last night and how its boiling up. To be fair to him, I, and I'll bet quite a few on here and elsewhere, hadn't quite considered this:
"I think Burnley and QPR are going to struggle, but the fight for the last remaining relegation place will go down to the last game."
If this weekend we lose and Necastle and Sunderland win and Leicester and Hull do not lose we are back in the bottom 3😊
We hadn't lost 8 on the spin, with a manager blaming players for being sent off deliberately. I'd rather have Lambert rather than Carver, that's how bad Carver seems.
Newcastle were 10th when Pardew left, since then their record is
PL17 W2 D3 L12 F14 A33 GD-19
That includes a cup defeat at Leicester in the 3rd round.
I went to Yorkshire on the bank holiday to admire my three fine grandsons. On the way back there was a five mile queue on the A1. A car with a wheel hanging off was the cause of it and there on the grass bank sat four Newcastle fans all in their shirts. A greater picture of misery would be hard to imagine.
I don't usually care much about referees and where they come from but after Clattenburg's performance on Saturday I thought I'd have a look. He's from Durham and is a Newcastle fan so he doesn't officiate at their games or Sunderlands by the looks of it. He therefore clearly can't be trusted and shouldn't be involved in any matches involving any of the bottom 7 for the rest of this season. Just jokes, as the kids might say. Interesting that he didn't ref an Everton game for about 5 years after his dodgy merseyside derby game in 2007ish. Think he's got a soft spot for Liverpool, in 9 games they've played in the last 3 years when he's reffed they haven't lost, including 2 wins against us.
I don't usually care much about referees and where they come from but after Clattenburg's performance on Saturday I thought I'd have a look. He's from Durham and is a Newcastle fan so he doesn't officiate at their games or Sunderlands by the looks of it. He therefore clearly can't be trusted and shouldn't be involved in any matches involving any of the bottom 7 for the rest of this season. Just jokes, as the kids might say. Interesting that he didn't ref an Everton game for about 5 years after his dodgy merseyside derby game in 2007ish. Think he's got a soft spot for Liverpool, in 9 games they've played in the last 3 years when he's reffed they haven't lost, including 2 wins against us.
The way things used to work Nodge; was like this: Football League referee's were appointed fixtures based on their geographical locations, for example, a former league referee of the Referee's Association of which I was a member was a born and bred Geordie who lived in Sutton Coldfield. He was never appointed to fixtures involving teams from the West Midlands area but got games involving teams from the North East. I believe now, as then you have to state any allegiances to a football club you may have.
I don't usually care much about referees and where they come from but after Clattenburg's performance on Saturday I thought I'd have a look. He's from Durham and is a Newcastle fan so he doesn't officiate at their games or Sunderlands by the looks of it. He therefore clearly can't be trusted and shouldn't be involved in any matches involving any of the bottom 7 for the rest of this season. Just jokes, as the kids might say. Interesting that he didn't ref an Everton game for about 5 years after his dodgy merseyside derby game in 2007ish. Think he's got a soft spot for Liverpool, in 9 games they've played in the last 3 years when he's reffed they haven't lost, including 2 wins against us.
The way things used to work Nodge; was like this: Football League referee's were appointed fixtures based on their geographical locations, for example, a former league referee of the Referee's Association of which I was a member was a born and bred Geordie who lived in Sutton Coldfield. He was never appointed to fixtures involving teams from the West Midlands area but got games involving teams from the North East. I believe now, as then you have to state any allegiances to a football club you may have.
Cheers Dave, seems a fairly easy system to get around if you were that way inclined, like the ref in the book Oi Ref! but he was a Villa fan so he was okay. I suppose you would need people who had not much interest in football but then why would they be a ref in the first place. I've never seen so many people wound up by Clattenburg on Saturday and still wound up even though we won. I usually come away from the game thinking the ref had a bit of a dodgy game only to watch it back on TV and you see a totally different side of it, but not on Saturday.
I don't usually care much about referees and where they come from but after Clattenburg's performance on Saturday I thought I'd have a look. He's from Durham and is a Newcastle fan so he doesn't officiate at their games or Sunderlands by the looks of it. He therefore clearly can't be trusted and shouldn't be involved in any matches involving any of the bottom 7 for the rest of this season. Just jokes, as the kids might say. Interesting that he didn't ref an Everton game for about 5 years after his dodgy merseyside derby game in 2007ish. Think he's got a soft spot for Liverpool, in 9 games they've played in the last 3 years when he's reffed they haven't lost, including 2 wins against us.
The way things used to work Nodge; was like this: Football League referee's were appointed fixtures based on their geographical locations, for example, a former league referee of the Referee's Association of which I was a member was a born and bred Geordie who lived in Sutton Coldfield. He was never appointed to fixtures involving teams from the West Midlands area but got games involving teams from the North East. I believe now, as then you have to state any allegiances to a football club you may have.
Cheers Dave, seems a fairly easy system to get around if you were that way inclined, like the ref in the book Oi Ref! but he was a Villa fan so he was okay. I suppose you would need people who had not much interest in football but then why would they be a ref in the first place. I've never seen so many people wound up by Clattenburg on Saturday and still wound up even though we won. I usually come away from the game thinking the ref had a bit of a dodgy game only to watch it back on TV and you see a totally different side of it, but not on Saturday.
When you are a league ref you have to notify them of any club you or a family member have had a season ticket at, or own shares have a stake in etc... you can then not officiate those games. Was at a Q&A with Alan Wiley and he stated that last year, can't remember who he said he followed, but he still lives in the area and his daughter is a teacher at a local school near wolverhampton
I don't usually care much about referees and where they come from but after Clattenburg's performance on Saturday I thought I'd have a look. He's from Durham and is a Newcastle fan so he doesn't officiate at their games or Sunderlands by the looks of it. He therefore clearly can't be trusted and shouldn't be involved in any matches involving any of the bottom 7 for the rest of this season. Just jokes, as the kids might say. Interesting that he didn't ref an Everton game for about 5 years after his dodgy merseyside derby game in 2007ish. Think he's got a soft spot for Liverpool, in 9 games they've played in the last 3 years when he's reffed they haven't lost, including 2 wins against us.
The way things used to work Nodge; was like this: Football League referee's were appointed fixtures based on their geographical locations, for example, a former league referee of the Referee's Association of which I was a member was a born and bred Geordie who lived in Sutton Coldfield. He was never appointed to fixtures involving teams from the West Midlands area but got games involving teams from the North East. I believe now, as then you have to state any allegiances to a football club you may have.
Cheers Dave, seems a fairly easy system to get around if you were that way inclined, like the ref in the book Oi Ref! but he was a Villa fan so he was okay. I suppose you would need people who had not much interest in football but then why would they be a ref in the first place. I've never seen so many people wound up by Clattenburg on Saturday and still wound up even though we won. I usually come away from the game thinking the ref had a bit of a dodgy game only to watch it back on TV and you see a totally different side of it, but not on Saturday.
They looked very tough Mal, especially the women and I am a cowardy custard.
They looked very tough Mal, especially the women and I am a cowardy custard.
They looked very tough Mal, especially the women and I am a cowardy custard.
Was it the Bacon family like?
Fatha Bacon
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Mutha Bacon
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And Biffa Bacon
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They were uglier than that, facially a cross between Harry Redknapp and David Platt and physically a cross between Jeremy Clarkson and Steve Bruce with a hint of Chewbacca.
Clattenberg's performance on Sat was strange - almost too one-sided to be true. He let Everton players hack down Delph and Grealish without even having a word at times and when Grealish was fouled twice within seconds just gestured to him to get up as if he was "diving"...he waved us to play advantage on at least two occasions when we had lost any advantage due to our play/momentum being broken up, Everton getting more defenders back/closer and Villa having lost players from the build-up.
As someone else said, he gave the penalty almost too quickly, as if he was looking for it - the only time Everton got into the box - and his failure to pick up on Coleman's "handling" of Given was almost a joke.
Having a pee after the game a young lad was making the point about Clattenberg's poor treatment of Everton a few seasons ago and that he was clearly trying to make up for it...then an old bloke said that he was "disgusted" at the worst, most one-sided display of refereeing he had ever seen.
We can't all be wrong and it's not sour grapes - we won!
I was amazed that the MOTD "experts" didn't pick up on it, but then they only watch such things that involve "big" clubs and would not want to be seen having a go at a ref...again!
Without a doubt he was strange/incompetent for the level he was reffing at.
Being informed that he comes from Durham partly helps to explain things!
Newcastle wont go down,With all the furore this week I honestly think WBA will be a soft target for them
they have a piss easy run in, all three teams they play have nothing to play for
they wont lose them all
I tend to agree on Newcastle but then I thought they'd get a result v Leicester
I do think hull will beat Burnley (it's got 1-0 written all over it) and Leicester may well beat Southampton.
So although I'd have taken four pts from these two home games we really could do with another win and what a great chance we have.
Everton should have too much for Sunderland but you never know
I tend to agree on Newcastle but then I thought they'd get a result v Leicester
I do think hull will beat Burnley (it's got 1-0 written all over it) and Leicester may well beat Southampton.
So although I'd have taken four pts from these two home games we really could do with another win and what a great chance we have.
Everton should have too much for Sunderland but you never know
This. I think Sunderland are our best bet to lose this weekend. That said, we just need to keep winning and let the rest of them worry about us.
If we win then a Burnley win or draw at Hull would be a useful bit of insurance against a Sunderland resurgence.
If we win then a Burnley win or draw at Hull would be a useful bit of insurance against a Sunderland resurgence.
I know I shouldn't have Richard but I laughed at your last two words there. And I wasn't laughing at you believe me. It will be the miracle of miracles if old Dicky gets them to bag results vs Everton, Arsenal and Chelsea. And put it this way how much we would we be shitting it if we had their run in, sat in the relegation zone.
If we win then a Burnley win or draw at Hull would be a useful bit of insurance against a Sunderland resurgence.
I know I shouldn't have Richard but I laughed at your last two words there. And I wasn't laughing at you believe me. It will be the miracle of miracles if old Dicky gets them to bag results vs Everton, Arsenal and Chelsea. And put it this way how much we would we be shitting it if we had their run in, sat in the relegation zone.
As long as the players go out with the right attitude we should win. I don't think Sherwood is the type to let players get complacent after a few decent performances. Plus, they know they are playing for cup final spots.
We want to be clear by the time we play Burnley ...Yes please.
I've got Sunderland down already 34 points max for them and thats where the money is going. I like the way Tim is getting the team to focus on the last three games it will be interesting to see if he keeps the same team if Gabby is fit.
We want to be clear by the time we play Burnley ...Yes please.
It would be wonderful to have sorted our survival by then and have a stress-free game before the Final.
And we'll need to reserve our energies for running round the Bull Ring...with the Cup....
;-)
No thanks.
We want to be clear by the time we play Burnley ...Yes please.
It would be wonderful to have sorted our survival by then and have a stress-free game before the Final.
And we'll need to reserve our energies for running round the Bull Ring...with the Cup....
;-)
There's a part of me wonders if it would be better to have to go to the last day, because if we have a chance to get our foot off the gas we may be able to put it back down when we need to.
Do you sometimes stick pins in your eyes so that you can feel how nice it is when you stop????We want to be clear by the time we play Burnley ...Yes please.
It would be wonderful to have sorted our survival by then and have a stress-free game before the Final.
And we'll need to reserve our energies for running round the Bull Ring...with the Cup....
;-)
There's a part of me wonders if it would be better to have to go to the last day, because if we have a chance to get our foot off the gas we may be able to put it back down when we need to.
We want to be clear by the time we play Burnley ...Yes please.
It would be wonderful to have sorted our survival by then and have a stress-free game before the Final.
And we'll need to reserve our energies for running round the Bull Ring...with the Cup....
;-)
There's a part of me wonders if it would be better to have to go to the last day, because if we have a chance to get our foot off the gas we may be able to put it back down when we need to.
I predict we'll be safe by 3 o'clock on the 16th and if not then by 5 on the same day.
John Carver believes that he is "the best coach in the Premier League" as Newcastle prepare for the first of a defining run of games in their fight to avoid relegation.
The under-fire interim manager - who has won just twice since being appointed in December, and has lost his last eight games in charge - made the claim ahead of the crucial game against West Brom on Saturday.
Newcastle are just one point above the relegation zone and are confronting the serious prospect of a second relegation to the Championship in six years.
Carver has come in for ferocious criticism, particularly after publicly accusing Newcastle defender Mike Williamson of deliberately getting himself sent off in the recent 3-0 defeat at Leicester - an offence which means he will serve a two-game suspension.
But Carver - who has been told he will see out the season at St James' Park, after Steve McClaren turned down the chance to take over - insists his self-belief has not wavered, despite Paul Clement being one name under consideration to take over permanently this summer.
He said: "I still think I’m the best coach in the Premier League. That’s what I think. Now there’s nothing wrong with that. But I still do.
"If I have the right tools I can do the job. I’m doing the job to the best of my ability at the moment and I’ll continue doing that for the next three weeks.
"It is a tough time but if I walk around with my face on the floor it’s going to affect people around me.
“I never offered to resign, I never offered to walk away, I never offered to step aside, so contrary to what was in the media and on Twitter and different sources, once I'd had a conversation with Lee [Charnley] and knew what my position was, I was clear in my head on Monday morning that I was in this for the next three games to challenge the fight in front of us."
Carver also produced a copy of the handwritten letter of apology written by Fabricio Coloccini to the club's supporters, insisting it was not a PR gesture and deserved to be taken seriously.
Coloccini was involved in a bust-up with goalkeeper Tim Krul on the team bus following the defeat to Leicester last Saturday.
Carver said: “I’ve heard one or two people say it was a PR stunt by the football stunt. I have brought the letter with me, in his handwriting, in Spanish, signed by him at the bottom.
"This was the third draft he put together because of his grammar. That is the genuine letter, from his heart. The pleasing thing from my points of view, because people will question if we are up for the fight, the fact he wrote that letter proves to me he is up for the fight."
On his relationship with Williamson, Carver admitted he had learnt a lesson but insisted he was on good terms with the defender.
He said: “Me and Mike have had a good discussion – and again, that's going to stay private. Maybe I have learnt my lesson, but that's going to stay private.
“At the end of the conversation, we stood up, shook each other's hand, and Mike has been fantastic in training this week. All right, he's not available for the next two games, but he certainly will be for the last one.
“There are no hard feelings. Every morning, we have come in, we have shaken hands, looked each other in the eye and just got on with it because we are professional.
I have in my hand a piece of paper
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Have a good feeling that at least one of the other clubs down there won't win today.
Southampton need to pull their finger out and make sure they don't lose to a second relegation contender inside a week...model club for us to follow of course.
I also have a feeling the pressure will get to Hull given their last two games and they'll only draw at home to Burnley.
Newcastle-West Brom should be a draw today aswell although West Brom always roll over to relegation threatened teams when we're down there.
Right if Everton could beat Sunderland at lunch time that'd be nice.
Nah, this is way more fun!
/runs
Tottenham away and Man Utd at home are the last 2 games for Hull.If they're lucky they'll get a couple of points from those games.
Have a good feeling that at least one of the other clubs down there won't win today.
Southampton need to pull their finger out and make sure they don't lose to a second relegation contender inside a week...model club for us to follow of course.
I also have a feeling the pressure will get to Hull given their last two games and they'll only draw at home to Burnley.
Newcastle-West Brom should be a draw today aswell although West Brom always roll over to relegation threatened teams when we're down there.
Newcastle
QPR v Newcastle QPR Win
Newcastle v West Ham Draw
Sunderland
Sunderland v Leicester Draw
Arsenal v Sunderland Arse win
Chelsea v Sunderland Ches win
Hull
Tottenham v Hull Draw
Hull v Man Utd Draw
Aston Villa
Southampton v Aston Villa Draw
Aston Villa v Burnley V Win
QPR
Man City v QPR Citeh win
QPR v Newcastle QPR Win
Leicester v QPR Draw
Leicester
Sunderland v Leicester Draw
Leicester v QPR Draw
So if I'm reading it right...if we just pick up 1 point in the next two Hull have to beat Spurs away AND Man. United to finish above us?Yep they would need 5 points from 2 games which means they would need to win them both.
Never mind the lottery, a tenner on that and it actually happening would win you a fair bet I'd imagine.
I really want Allardyce to relegate Newcastle on the last day of the season. What a great story that would be.
Call me daft but I predict 18 points from our remaining 12 games.
We need to match Hull's result next week and it's done.
We need to match Hull's result next week and it's done.
So if they lose we should?
*WINKY*
So QPR will be gone tomorrow. I really want it to be Newcastle that goes.
So QPR will be gone tomorrow. I really want it to be Newcastle that goes.
Was not relegating them in 2009 not enough to fill a lifetime?
I usually to really despise Newcastle around the time but that was enough for me and I honestly couldn't care less about them now whether they stay up or go.
It is very amusing though they still haven't got over how we celebrated their demise that day.
Oh yes I would be up for that aswell but think Hull losing has reduced that significantly.
Still need to look after number one so Hull losing was very good news for us.
So QPR will be gone tomorrow. I really want it to be Newcastle that goes.
Was not relegating them in 2009 not enough to fill a lifetime?
I usually to really despise Newcastle around the time but that was enough for me and I honestly couldn't care less about them now whether they stay up or go.
It is very amusing though they still haven't got over how we celebrated their demise that day.
Absolutely not Soccer. I just think for what Carver said about us but mainly because how their fans treated Allardyce while he was up there, it would be sweet justice for West Ham to win and send them down.
So QPR will be gone tomorrow. I really want it to be Newcastle that goes.
Was not relegating them in 2009 not enough to fill a lifetime?
I usually to really despise Newcastle around the time but that was enough for me and I honestly couldn't care less about them now whether they stay up or go.
It is very amusing though they still haven't got over how we celebrated their demise that day.
Absolutely not Soccer. I just think for what Carver said about us but mainly because how their fans treated Allardyce while he was up there, it would be sweet justice for West Ham to win and send them down.
I listened to Carver's post match interview on da Beeb. I didn't think that anything could make me dislike Newcastle more than I do already but he's succeeded. He's an arrogant knob of the highest order who thinks that he's funnier and better than everyone else. And as for that referring to himself in the third person. WTFs all that about.
Sadly I think Newcastle will escape now with that point today. Hull are gone
So QPR will be gone tomorrow. I really want it to be Newcastle that goes.
Was not relegating them in 2009 not enough to fill a lifetime?
I usually to really despise Newcastle around the time but that was enough for me and I honestly couldn't care less about them now whether they stay up or go.
It is very amusing though they still haven't got over how we celebrated their demise that day.
if we lose next week and Hull don't it goes down to the final game
Well that just about confirms that the Cup Final will be between the top two sides in the country according to the league table.
Arsenal P0 W0 D0 L0 Pts 0
Aston Villa P0 W0 D0 L0 Pts 0
if we lose next week and Hull don't it goes down to the final game
I think we're fine now but I think hull could well beat SpursSouthampton have lost two so unlikely to lose three in a row as they will regroup for their last home game. I think we will get a point however Hull will lose to Spurs.
Happily I think we'll have already beaten Southampton by that stage
Hull just lost at home to Burnley! They aren't going to avoid defeat in at least one of their last two games. Even if we lose next weekend there will be at least two of Hull, Leicester and Sunderland below us with a home game against an already relegated team to come. Nothing to worry about.
So QPR will be gone tomorrow. I really want it to be Newcastle that goes.
Was not relegating them in 2009 not enough to fill a lifetime?
I usually to really despise Newcastle around the time but that was enough for me and I honestly couldn't care less about them now whether they stay up or go.
It is very amusing though they still haven't got over how we celebrated their demise that day.
Absolutely not Soccer. I just think for what Carver said about us but mainly because how their fans treated Allardyce while he was up there, it would be sweet justice for West Ham to win and send them down.
I listened to Carver's post match interview on da Beeb. I didn't think that anything could make me dislike Newcastle more than I do already but he's succeeded. He's an arrogant knob of the highest order who thinks that he's funnier and better than everyone else. And as for that referring to himself in the third person. WTFs all that about.
It looks like Spurs are on the beach/avoiding the Europa League; so I wouldn't be surprised if Hull beat them.
Man U aren't exactly tearing things up either- so it's feasible they could get a point.
Don't you get fined for playing weakened teamIt looks like Spurs are on the beach/avoiding the Europa League; so I wouldn't be surprised if Hull beat them.
Man U aren't exactly tearing things up either- so it's feasible they could get a point.
Why don't teams who don't want to play in the Europa League just qualify for it anyway and then play their reserves in it? Good experience for them.
I don't think we did after Moscow did we? We certainly paid for it in other ways though.Kozak would be ideal for the Europa. He'll score you goals in those games as he showed for Lazio.
I can see us getting something at Southampton. No win in 4 games for them. Maybe they are also anxious to avoid the Europa league.
Well all I can still only see are wins for everyone and us going down. until we're mathematically safe i can't relax or start thinking about the Cup final or next season. Hull WILL beat tottenham, Sunderland will turn Leicester over and Newcastle will draw at QPR and then beat West Ham. leicester will win their last game v QPR. Last game and Man U will not beat a fired up Hull and after finally succumbing 2 or 3-0 at Southampton an Danny Ings goal in the 78th minute will see us relegated. I can't see how any of that can't happen. Another nervous wait until 3pm next saturday.
Peter, don't listen to him. I agree completely, we're doomed.Well all I can still only see are wins for everyone and us going down. until we're mathematically safe i can't relax or start thinking about the Cup final or next season. Hull WILL beat tottenham, Sunderland will turn Leicester over and Newcastle will draw at QPR and then beat West Ham. leicester will win their last game v QPR. Last game and Man U will not beat a fired up Hull and after finally succumbing 2 or 3-0 at Southampton an Danny Ings goal in the 78th minute will see us relegated. I can't see how any of that can't happen. Another nervous wait until 3pm next saturday.
Peter, you need to get down to Paddy Power and stick £20 on us to go down and they'll give you £1600 on the 24th May if you think all that's going to happen. That'd probably get you a couple of final tickets too.
Well all I can still only see are wins for everyone and us going down. until we're mathematically safe i can't relax or start thinking about the Cup final or next season. Hull WILL beat tottenham, Sunderland will turn Leicester over and Newcastle will draw at QPR and then beat West Ham. leicester will win their last game v QPR. Last game and Man U will not beat a fired up Hull and after finally succumbing 2 or 3-0 at Southampton an Danny Ings goal in the 78th minute will see us relegated. I can't see how any of that can't happen. Another nervous wait until 3pm next saturday.Hmmm, not beyond the realms of possibility. Put £500 quid on it and if the worst does happen you get £62,500 back , nice deposit for a place in Spain.
And then there was three.There you go fixed!
14 Aston Villa 38 -18 42
15 Sunderland 38 -24 39
16 Newcastle 38 -25 39
17 Leicester 38 -16 38
18 Hull 38 -18 35 Relegated
19 Burnley 38 -30 30 Relegated
20 QPR 38 -32 28 Relegated
Looking at QPR today I think you can just add three points to the Leicester and Newcastle tallies already.
And no thanks to caulker on this evidence please.
Looking at QPR today I think you can just add three points to the Leicester and Newcastle tallies already.
And no thanks to caulker on this evidence please.
Caulker looks absolutely atrocious.
You'd think it might be Dicke Dunne who is the weak link in that backline now, factoring in his age.
But it's Caulker all the way.
Haven't both Cardiff and QPR each spent the best part of £10 million on him?
Lunacy.
Well all I can still only see are wins for everyone and us going down. until we're mathematically safe i can't relax or start thinking about the Cup final or next season. Hull WILL beat tottenham, Sunderland will turn Leicester over and Newcastle will draw at QPR and then beat West Ham. leicester will win their last game v QPR. Last game and Man U will not beat a fired up Hull and after finally succumbing 2 or 3-0 at Southampton an Danny Ings goal in the 78th minute will see us relegated. I can't see how any of that can't happen. Another nervous wait until 3pm next saturday.
Well all I can still only see are wins for everyone and us going down. until we're mathematically safe i can't relax or start thinking about the Cup final or next season. Hull WILL beat tottenham, Sunderland will turn Leicester over and Newcastle will draw at QPR and then beat West Ham. leicester will win their last game v QPR. Last game and Man U will not beat a fired up Hull and after finally succumbing 2 or 3-0 at Southampton an Danny Ings goal in the 78th minute will see us relegated. I can't see how any of that can't happen. Another nervous wait until 3pm next saturday.
I'll give it to you Peter, you're one miserable fella. You're like our very own Unlucky Alf. Every silver lining has a cloud...
Looking at QPR today I think you can just add three points to the Leicester and Newcastle tallies already.
And no thanks to caulker on this evidence please.
Caulker looks absolutely atrocious.
You'd think it might be Dicke Dunne who is the weak link in that backline now, factoring in his age.
But it's Caulker all the way.
Haven't both Cardiff and QPR each spent the best part of £10 million on him?
Lunacy.
He looked good at the start for Cardiff, what happened to him?
I'm hoping Newcastle draw with QPR and lose to West Ham at Sid James Park, Hull lose to Spurs but beat the Plastics at home, sending the Barcodes down on goal difference.
Well all I can still only see are wins for everyone and us going down. until we're mathematically safe i can't relax or start thinking about the Cup final or next season. Hull WILL beat tottenham, Sunderland will turn Leicester over and Newcastle will draw at QPR and then beat West Ham. leicester will win their last game v QPR. Last game and Man U will not beat a fired up Hull and after finally succumbing 2 or 3-0 at Southampton an Danny Ings goal in the 78th minute will see us relegated. I can't see how any of that can't happen. Another nervous wait until 3pm next saturday.
I'll give it to you Peter, you're one miserable fella. You're like our very own Unlucky Alf. Every silver lining has a cloud...
That light at the end of the tunnel? just some fecker with a torch also looking for the way out...
Looking at their last 6 results, anyone would think that it's more than just a coincidence they are both trying to avoid finishing in 6th place to avoid the curse of the Europa League...I can see us getting something at Southampton. No win in 4 games for them. Maybe they are also anxious to avoid the Europa league.
I was listening to the radio and that was a topic of discussion. How the Europa League is something to avoid now for teams. Amazing to think you work hard to do well in the league only to try and not to achieve a certain position to stay out of a competition. It really needs to go back to being a knock out cup tournament.
Looking at their last 6 results, anyone would think that it's more than just a coincidence they are both trying to avoid finishing in 6th place to avoid the curse of the Europa League...I can see us getting something at Southampton. No win in 4 games for them. Maybe they are also anxious to avoid the Europa league.
I was listening to the radio and that was a topic of discussion. How the Europa League is something to avoid now for teams. Amazing to think you work hard to do well in the league only to try and not to achieve a certain position to stay out of a competition. It really needs to go back to being a knock out cup tournament.
Tottenham: DLWDLL
Southampton: LWLDLL
Newcastle go down and we win the FA Cup. If Carlsberg did the last few games of a football season......
Peter, don't listen to him. I agree completely, we're doomed.Well all I can still only see are wins for everyone and us going down. until we're mathematically safe i can't relax or start thinking about the Cup final or next season. Hull WILL beat tottenham, Sunderland will turn Leicester over and Newcastle will draw at QPR and then beat West Ham. leicester will win their last game v QPR. Last game and Man U will not beat a fired up Hull and after finally succumbing 2 or 3-0 at Southampton an Danny Ings goal in the 78th minute will see us relegated. I can't see how any of that can't happen. Another nervous wait until 3pm next saturday.
Peter, you need to get down to Paddy Power and stick £20 on us to go down and they'll give you £1600 on the 24th May if you think all that's going to happen. That'd probably get you a couple of final tickets too.
A lot of people are saying Sunderland took a big step to safety last weekend. I'm not sureI get the impression Dick Advocaat has a horseshoe up his arse. They will be ok.
Hull (Spurs) villa (soton) and Newcastle (QPR) are playing what seem to be three of the least motivated, out of form sides around. Sunderland are playing Leicester.
A lot of people are saying Sunderland took a big step to safety last weekend. I'm not sureI get the impression Dick Advocaat has a horseshoe up his arse. They will be ok.
Hull (Spurs) villa (soton) and Newcastle (QPR) are playing what seem to be three of the least motivated, out of form sides around. Sunderland are playing Leicester.
Hull get a point against a lacklustre Spurs, then on a high beat a can't be arsed United in front of their pulsating home crowd. Meanwhile, Saints rally for their last home match and then we choke against Burnley. We're doomed I tell you.Peter, don't listen to him. I agree completely, we're doomed.Well all I can still only see are wins for everyone and us going down. until we're mathematically safe i can't relax or start thinking about the Cup final or next season. Hull WILL beat tottenham, Sunderland will turn Leicester over and Newcastle will draw at QPR and then beat West Ham. leicester will win their last game v QPR. Last game and Man U will not beat a fired up Hull and after finally succumbing 2 or 3-0 at Southampton an Danny Ings goal in the 78th minute will see us relegated. I can't see how any of that can't happen. Another nervous wait until 3pm next saturday.
Peter, you need to get down to Paddy Power and stick £20 on us to go down and they'll give you £1600 on the 24th May if you think all that's going to happen. That'd probably get you a couple of final tickets too.
As the politicians say, "I agree with Peter" - and Mike.
I can't cope any more.
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Hull get a point against a lacklustre Spurs, then on a high beat a can't be arsed United in front of their pulsating home crowd. Meanwhile, Saints rally for their last home match and then we choke against Burnley. We're doomed I tell you.Peter, don't listen to him. I agree completely, we're doomed.Well all I can still only see are wins for everyone and us going down. until we're mathematically safe i can't relax or start thinking about the Cup final or next season. Hull WILL beat tottenham, Sunderland will turn Leicester over and Newcastle will draw at QPR and then beat West Ham. leicester will win their last game v QPR. Last game and Man U will not beat a fired up Hull and after finally succumbing 2 or 3-0 at Southampton an Danny Ings goal in the 78th minute will see us relegated. I can't see how any of that can't happen. Another nervous wait until 3pm next saturday.
Peter, you need to get down to Paddy Power and stick £20 on us to go down and they'll give you £1600 on the 24th May if you think all that's going to happen. That'd probably get you a couple of final tickets too.
As the politicians say, "I agree with Peter" - and Mike.
I can't cope any more.