Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Phil from the upper holte on February 01, 2015, 09:43:24 PM
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I just saw a thing on Facebook a report from Jamie Rednapp saying we need goals (obviously) .
Anyway underneath come the comments. Now most of us that use Facebook are aware of the Muppets it attracts but comments were so negative.
Not just from local clubs but from fans all over calling us a waste of space, boring, depriving better championship side's getting in. Saying were the new Wigan. Pretty damming stuff.
Are we that hated?
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Laughing stock.
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Most people who find out I'm a Villa fan now respond in the same way: 'Oh, dear'.
Other football fans, I suspect, can't wait for us to go down. They see us imploding and are grateful it's not them. Plus we're not exactly going down in a blaze of glory.
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Not hated. The Arse fans I was sitting amongst were actually pretty complimentary:
"they miss Vlaar"
"gabby's put on a bit of weight"
"They didn't deserve that"
etc.
Still shit, mind.
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A turd that won't flush?
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Laughing stock.
And rightly so at the moment.
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Lacking leadership, direction and good coaching. Nothing that changing the Manager wouldn't solve, quite quickly.
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Dull.
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Judging by the hundreds of missing Arsenal season ticket holders today we have a reputation that we are dull, boring and pointless alongside playing pretty rubbish football.
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Blurrily, through tears of rage, boredom and confusion.
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Most of my mates who aren't Villa have stopped taking the piss. It's gone beyond that, to pity. They can't quite figure out how it's all fallen apart so badly.
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Not hated. The Arse fans I was sitting amongst were actually pretty complimentary:
"they miss Vlaar"
"gabby's put on a bit of weight"
"They didn't deserve that"
etc.
Still shit, mind.
Ones I were sitting next to were laughing at how bad we were.....at 1 down.
I was always up for defending us when bizarrely loads of neutrals were calling us boring during the MON era but not now.
There is no defence for the garbage we're producing week in week out and that's now reflected in the stats and league position.
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Other fans I know just say 'ah, you'll be alright'. This usually has no basis in fact because they only ever pay attention when we're getting a spanking from a team we should get a spanking from. They don't see nothing losses to Leicester City.
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Like Cit-eh of 20 years ago. Loyal and lapsed fans with memories of better times.
Obviously without any sort of succesful rivals.
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Only hated by fans of local rivals plus maybe Radio WM, in the main we have become a figure of fun for the football world in general due to all the hellish records that Lambert keeps breaking plus the fact that the club seem hell bent on doing fuck all about it, we have become a club to laugh at and that really hurts
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Most of my mates who aren't Villa have stopped taking the piss. It's gone beyond that, to pity. They can't quite figure out how it's all fallen apart so badly.
Same here. A mixture of bewilderment and pity. It's come to something when I'm getting pity from Huddersfield Town fans.
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I remember being pitied by a former work colleague - a Man Ure fan (from Gt Manchester who works there as a steward on match days) - when we hired McLeish.
The comments on his part , not conversation, included Villa-McLeish-thought still a big club-try. hostorically try to play good football. McLeish??.
That was as insulting as it could get. It has got no better.
4.5 years of an omnishambles. At least after the gathering cloud dark days of Turner and the McNeill nightmare that followed there was a Pillar of Light in the form of Graham Taylor. What is there now? What?
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As a bigger, flashier Wigan.
Year after year circling the plug hole, desperately trying not to go down it.
Devoid of ambition, we don't even pretend to try any more.
If I didn't support us, I would definitely want us to go down.
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The butt of just about every football related joke. And rightly so. Shame on Lerner...like he gives a fuck.
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A cert 3 points for whoever plays us...Christ Almighty how did it come to this? Have been a supporter for 40 years and have never felt so low...even in the third division we were still The Villa and relegation in 86 brought SGT to save us but this? Lack of funds,a clueless manager completely out of his depth, an absent owner and the best fans in the country bored senseless into apathy by a squad not fit for purpose. We're in freefall towards the Championship and no-one on high seems to give a shit. These are the darkest of days, with our great club now being reduced to joke status among other fans, but I STILL have the hope that someone, somewhere will want to own the marquee name of historical football clubs. Sorry for the rant guys but four years of Villa taking hammerings says that enough is enough.
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Boring and shit.
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Oh, and "Martin O'Neill was great for you."
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Oh, and "Martin O'Neill was great for you."
There's still a strong whiff of "look what you did to poor Martin - you get what you deserve" about this attitude, even though it's fundamentally bollocks.
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A cert 3 points for whoever plays us...Christ Almighty how did it come to this? Have been a supporter for 40 years and have never felt so low...even in the third division we were still The Villa and relegation in 86 brought SGT to save us but this? Lack of funds,a clueless manager completely out of his depth, an absent owner and the best fans in the country bored senseless into apathy by a squad not fit for purpose. We're in freefall towards the Championship and no-one on high seems to give a shit. These are the darkest of days, with our great club now being reduced to joke status among other fans, but I STILL have the hope that someone, somewhere will want to own the marquee name of historical football clubs. Sorry for the rant guys but four years of Villa taking hammerings says that enough is enough.
Hear hear!
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I can stand the piss taking and we deserve it. It's the pity I hate.
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As a bigger, flashier Wigan.
Year after year circling the plug hole, desperately trying not to go down it.
Devoid of ambition, we don't even pretend to try any more.
If I didn't support us, I would definitely want us to go down.
Presuming you didn't support us but supported another PL side you definitely wouldn't want us to go down. Four to six points and a nice away trip.
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I think a large part of our problem is have we percieve ourselves, what are we at the moment, what do we do well.
When we were crap in the mid to late 60's, I was only a kid and could still get no better thrill than standing on the Holte, being gobsmacked by the people around me, when it was over, regardless of the result, as it was, what we did then, I would be out on a bit of concrete or grass, scoring the chances we had missed, making the tackle that stopped the goal, but I also remember we were still a big club, even in the third.
Again in the 80's after the dismantling of the Champions of Europe for one persons egotistical reasons, you just knew we would bounce back and again we were still big fry.
Now with the Sky wank fest, we go out of this league and as I stated before from one who depends on TV to watch my football here in the Middle East, you drop of the map and become a non-entity and I just know in my guts, under this regime and their normal impeccable choice of leadership that there is no guarantee that we would bounce back, so I am not sure what the club is, so how can others precieve us in any way but with disdain for our total lack of a contribution to what has become an entertainment business.
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A figure to laugh at. That's even worse than being disliked if you ask me.
When someone who knows nothing about football (has never even watched a game on TV) walks into my office and starts gleefully singing SOTV, you know you've become a national laughing stock.
Sadly, I find myself agreeing with the post above. Drop out of the premier league, and we could be down there for a long time.
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I overheard a couple of Arsenal fans in the pub after say we were the worst Villa team they can remember. They have some competition but they are heading in the right direction.
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I think most people want us to be relegated, because we're pretty horrid to watch.
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I can stand the piss taking and we deserve it. It's the pity I hate.
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Exactly.
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We are perceived by some no doubt as a shell of a football club - a rather empty one at that.
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Most of my mates who aren't Villa have stopped taking the piss. It's gone beyond that, to pity. They can't quite figure out how it's all fallen apart so badly.
Mine are now through the pity stage and now discuss us with utter contempt. I think it bores out of the fact we are doing nothing to help ourselves and so now, in the eyes of the wider footballing world, we are getting what we deserve. Everyone outside the AVFC Boardroom knows Lambert should not be in charge and yet we plod on. We are a disgrace to watch, im currently ashamed to be a Villa fan and have given up defending us, I mainly join in with the piss taking and condemnation as it is in the whole fully deserved and impossible to argue with.
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In todays paper it says that in order to turn things around the team Villa really need to be playing next are................Villa.
Everybody is taking the p**s out of us and nothing is being done to alter things.
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I don't care what the rest of the country or the rest of the world think of us. If you don't support Villa your opinion is of no consequence.
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From the Guardian's Sachin Nakrani:
Is Villa’s plight the sorriest of any club in England?
Taking into account heritage, fanbase and potential is there a sadder club in England right now than Aston Villa? Supporters of Leeds United and a few other teams may raise their hands but it is hard currently to look beyond the Midlands’ struggling giant. Defeat by Arsenal on Sunday made it eight league games without victory for Paul Lambert’s men and, for the first time in their history, six without scoring. No points and no goals, God bless those Villa fans who turned up at the Emirates on a bitterly cold afternoon.
The visitors did not actually play that badly and things could have been different had Andreas Weimann or Christian Benteke taken the more than decent chances that came their way either side of half-time. Lambert described them as “big moments” and there was no hiding his frustration at his team’s current plight. In all probability Villa will score enough goals and secure enough points to avoid relegation but come the summer this routine of stinking the place out yet surviving by the skin of their teeth has to end. It has gone on far too long for a club that not so long ago were competing for a Champions League place and remain one of only six British clubs to have won the European Cup.
That means Randy Lerner finally selling the club or, if he has no option but to stick around, once again investing strongly in playing resources. It may also mean Lambert, despite his obvious hunger to succeed, moving on. It has been almost three seasons since he arrived and, if anything, things are getting worse. Fresh change may well require a fresh man in the dugout.
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Joke club now, nothing more nothing less.
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'In all probability Villa will score enough goals and secure enough points to avoid relegation' I genuinely see no reason to believe this at the moment.
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When I heard the commentator saying villa need some new players
And the co commenter replied I'm not sure Spiderman and superman would make a difference
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We're a rotting corpse - the soul having long left the body of our once great club...............
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'In all probability Villa will score enough goals and secure enough points to avoid relegation' I genuinely see no reason to believe this at the moment.
I think we will but as he says its fucking miserable!
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I don't really care what the majority of the Sky generation have to say or the people who make up YouTube and Facebook comments. Those I do listen to who support other clubs pity us and can't seem to get their heads around how bad we have become.
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A cert 3 points for whoever plays us...Christ Almighty how did it come to this? Have been a supporter for 40 years and have never felt so low...even in the third division we were still The Villa and relegation in 86 brought SGT to save us but this? Lack of funds,a clueless manager completely out of his depth, an absent owner and the best fans in the country bored senseless into apathy by a squad not fit for purpose. We're in freefall towards the Championship and no-one on high seems to give a shit. These are the darkest of days, with our great club now being reduced to joke status among other fans, but I STILL have the hope that someone, somewhere will want to own the marquee name of historical football clubs. Sorry for the rant guys but four years of Villa taking hammerings says that enough is enough.
Do I know you? Seeing as I went to Cliftonville school and BRA around the same time as your timeline above. There were not many Villa fans around then.
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Surprised that doesn't say
Aston nilla
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I don't really care what the majority of the Sky generation have to say or the people who make up YouTube and Facebook comments. Those I do listen to who support other clubs pity us and can't seem to get their heads around how bad we have become.
Really, everything i read/see/hear tells me they`re absolutely pissing themselves. (think our attitude to Newcastle United)
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Like I said, nobody I pay any attention to is pissing themselves. I've just had a mate at my desk who supports Wigan joining me in some wallowing.
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I agree with Ads. I couldn't care less what people are writing about us on Facebook. Few of the many things wrong with modern football annoy me more than these posts along the lines of 'what are {insert name of team here} for?!' As if, just because a team isn't on Sky continuously, they are of no importance. Never mind the history and community related to the club, the people whose lives are wrapped up in it, rain or shine.
People who understand football, understand the importance of Aston Villa F.C. That'll do for me.
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People's perception of Villa doesn't bother me, it's the fact that what most people are saying is correct that bothers me. If people perceived us as shit and we were actually good it wouldn't bother me. It's the fact that we're fucking diabolical and it's so obvious to see that frustrates me.
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Schadenfreude is an important part of being a football supporter. If we go down on the last day of the season, and the Burnley fans in the away end give us what we gave the Newcastle fans, I really won't blame them.
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Me neither. I wouldn't be holding seven year (?) grudge against them.
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It could be a combined claret and blue relegation 'party'.
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Incredibly dull, fun to keep around so you can laugh at them. Some sympathy for long suffering supporters.
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A bloke in the pub last week called Villa Park 'The Hall of Memories'. Seem to remember that this name was also bandied about by the noses during our last period of horror in the late 60's when we were having similar difficulties and I was facing piss takes at school rather than the pub
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A bloke in the pub last week called Villa Park 'The Hall of Memories'. Seem to remember that this name was also bandied about by the noses during our last period of horror in the late 60's when we were having similar difficulties and I was facing piss takes at school rather than the pub
My Dad told me that's what bus conductors used to shout when stopping at Witton Island bus stop in the 60s.
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'Big club that regularly flirts with relegation'. When I was a kid it was usually Manchester City. Then Everton took over the mantle for a while in the late nineties and early noughties. Now it is us. The neutrals like it. It is more exciting and interesting to watch a big club drop.
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Nothing will change or get any better until we have a new manager and or new owner
that will happen at some stage whether sooner or later, we will just have to sit on our hands and take the shit until that day, you always have to believe that a brighter day will dawn, we just don't know when
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The impression I get is that neutrals are curious as to how i has come to this.What is going on at your club is the usual question?
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Just had a Forest fan taking the p*ss.
Doesn't get much lower than that.
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I thought all the Forest fans would be having a days mourning for the tattooed electrician.
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I agree with Ads. I couldn't care less what people are writing about us on Facebook. Few of the many things wrong with modern football annoy me more than these posts along the lines of 'what are {insert name of team here} for?!' As if, just because a team isn't on Sky continuously, they are of no importance. Never mind the history and community related to the club, the people whose lives are wrapped up in it, rain or shine.
People who understand football, understand the importance of Aston Villa F.C. That'll do for me.
Thing is, the omnipresence of televised football IS setting the agenda. Our history will continue to have less and less interest or importance because we are not a TV 'feature club'.
The attitudes expressed in the posts above are very representative of what the football thinks of us; insignificant, an anachronism, dull, anonymous. No one will mourn our passing, should we take the drop.
Our history really only has meaning outside of us fans if we continually renew our success ... and that seems to be a long way off right now.
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A cert 3 points for whoever plays us...Christ Almighty how did it come to this? Have been a supporter for 40 years and have never felt so low...even in the third division we were still The Villa and relegation in 86 brought SGT to save us but this? Lack of funds,a clueless manager completely out of his depth, an absent owner and the best fans in the country bored senseless into apathy by a squad not fit for purpose. We're in freefall towards the Championship and no-one on high seems to give a shit. These are the darkest of days, with our great club now being reduced to joke status among other fans, but I STILL have the hope that someone, somewhere will want to own the marquee name of historical football clubs. Sorry for the rant guys but four years of Villa taking hammerings says that enough is enough.
Do I know you? Seeing as I went to Cliftonville school and BRA around the same time as your timeline above. There were not many Villa fans around then.
Nah, St Malachy's College, Neil...and you're right, Villa fans were a rarity in this part of the world. Childhood spent growing up in a sea of Celtic and met with puzzlement and curiosity by all. They'll never get it.
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A cert 3 points for whoever plays us...Christ Almighty how did it come to this? Have been a supporter for 40 years and have never felt so low...even in the third division we were still The Villa and relegation in 86 brought SGT to save us but this? Lack of funds,a clueless manager completely out of his depth, an absent owner and the best fans in the country bored senseless into apathy by a squad not fit for purpose. We're in freefall towards the Championship and no-one on high seems to give a shit. These are the darkest of days, with our great club now being reduced to joke status among other fans, but I STILL have the hope that someone, somewhere will want to own the marquee name of historical football clubs. Sorry for the rant guys but four years of Villa taking hammerings says that enough is enough.
Do I know you? Seeing as I went to Cliftonville school and BRA around the same time as your timeline above. There were not many Villa fans around then.
Nah, St Malachy's College, Neil...and you're right, Villa fans were a rarity in this part of the world. Childhood spent growing up in a sea of Celtic and met with puzzlement and curiosity by all. They'll never get it.
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Hi Cliftonvilla,
Too true. there was a lad called Magee in my school who followed the righteous path also, but in all my time in Belfast he was the only one I knew.
It's good to be different!
Cheers Neil.
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Famous old stadium. Won The European Cup you say? They never did? Did they? I'm surprised about that.
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Don't let yourself get worked up about the football untermenschen out there.
Its like that kid on Twitter who had been supporting Chelsea for five minutes who made himself look a fool when he tried to mock us for not having won the European Cup. Those that know, know, those that don't, fuck them.
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Famous old stadium. Won The European Cup you say? They never did? Did they? I'm surprised about that.
It's strange how many people still say to me that Villa Park is a famous old stadium. Another myth.
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Its famous and its old.
The fact three of the stands are 20 years or less is neither here nor there. Its what seperates us from Goodison which instead of being a "famous old stadium" s a "famous old shit stadium".
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Fans of other teams in "taking the piss out of another team that's doing badly" shocker. The focus should be sorting us out and getting some points, it's not a popularity contest. Fans of other clubs tend to still hate you and try to take the piss when you're doing well too. Admittedly I've almost forgotten what doing well is like, but the point remains.
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Its famous and its old.
The fact three of the stands are 20 years or less is neither here nor there. Its what seperates us from Goodison which instead of being a "famous old stadium" s a "famous old shit stadium".
It's famous but there's nothing older than 40 years about Villa Park
And I'd take Everton's Leitch masterpiece over Doug's Lego Trinity any day.
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I like Goodison until I am in it and need to, for example, buy a beer, take a leak or watch the Villa. Normally it’s difficult to watch us, but at Goodison, they make it literally difficult to see. It makes me realise that the new Trinity or the new Holte End are a million times the rag-taggle of corrugated iron, wooden seats and pillars that makes up the bulk of Goodison.
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I have to say that is excellent, made me smile
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I like Goodison until I am in it and need to, for example, buy a beer, take a leak or watch the Villa. Normally it’s difficult to watch us, but at Goodison, they make it literally difficult to see. It makes me realise that the new Trinity or the new Holte End are a million times the rag-taggle of corrugated iron, wooden seats and pillars that makes up the bulk of Goodison.
I sort of agree. Modern Villa Park is much better for watching football from. It's just not the old stadium that many people think it still is.
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I have to say that is excellent, made me smile
It's funny, but Christ it's embarrassing.
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You're not famous anymore
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Famous old stadium. Won The European Cup you say? They never did? Did they? I'm surprised about that.
It's strange how many people still say to me that Villa Park is a famous old stadium. Another myth.
Why ?
It's an old stadium as it's always been on the same plot of land and has 4 corners, that's 'old stadium' ish.
Famous ? It's held numerous semi-finals and is and has been for a long long time, the home to the second city's best football club.
It's famous !
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Famous old stadium. Won The European Cup you say? They never did? Did they? I'm surprised about that.
It's strange how many people still say to me that Villa Park is a famous old stadium. Another myth.
Why ?
It's an old stadium as it's always been on the same plot of land and has 4 corners, that's 'old stadium' ish.
Famous ? It's held numerous semi-finals and is and has been for a long long time, the home to the second city's best football club.
It's famous !
ok
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Its famous and its old.
The fact three of the stands are 20 years or less is neither here nor there. Its what seperates us from Goodison which instead of being a "famous old stadium" s a "famous old shit stadium".
It's famous but there's nothing older than 40 years about Villa Park
And I'd take Everton's Leitch masterpiece over Doug's Lego Trinity any day.
Well yes I would agree.But as I have said previously if Fred Rinder had still been alive he would have knocked down his masterpiece well before Doug did. I still can't get used to the proper Witton Lane Stand being knocked down. That was a magnificent sight to behold.
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I'm only arguing with the claim that Villa Park is an old stadium. It isn't, it's 40 years old
it might be situated on ancient land, of historical significance, but so is Wembley, and that aint an old stadium either.
Back to the original question though, most people of a similar age to me that I speak to about Villa are pretty respectful, usually tell me how much they loved Gary Shaw's wedge and the 77-81 kit. And most of them mention the Holte.
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What does it really matter whether the individual stands have been knocked down and built again? It's still the same physical space. It's still Villa Park and not the 02 Bowl or some such shite.
Wembley Stadium has been completely knocked down and re-built, but it's still Wembley. It's still the scene of English football's greatest triumph and countless memories in the long history of classified football in England. That's what counts.
Knocking down an old stadium and then building a pre-packed identikit stadium in some out-of-town convenience location, and then renaming it after whoever pays the most for the 'privilege' is the problem. Not improving what's already there. We would still be standing in fields on the sidelines otherwise.
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Sorry, Chico, hadn't seen your reply.
Not trying to be arsey with my post, by the way!
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No probs - it's all good fun
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Famous old stadium. Won The European Cup you say? They never did? Did they? I'm surprised about that.
It's strange how many people still say to me that Villa Park is a famous old stadium. Another myth.
Famous ? It's held numerous semi-finals and is and has been for a long long time, the home to the second city's best football club.
Tim, when I read that it makes me think of Flight of the Conchords ("New Zealand's 4th best electro funk acapella band") or whatever it was!
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God has spoken
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/paul-mcgrath-aston-villa-disgrace-8570292
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What does it really matter whether the individual stands have been knocked down and built again? It's still the same physical space. It's still Villa Park and not the 02 Bowl or some such shite.
Wembley Stadium has been completely knocked down and re-built, but it's still Wembley. It's still the scene of English football's greatest triumph and countless memories in the long history of classified football in England. That's what counts.
Knocking down an old stadium and then building a pre-packed identikit stadium in some out-of-town convenience location, and then renaming it after whoever pays the most for the 'privilege' is the problem. Not improving what's already there. We would still be standing in fields on the sidelines otherwise.
Villa Park - Historical stadium or the football ground equivalent to Trigger's broom?
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Hi Cliftonvilla,
Too true. there was a lad called Magee in my school who followed the righteous path also, but in all my time in Belfast he was the only one I knew.
It's good to be different!
Cheers Neil.
[Cheers mate]
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God has spoken
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/paul-mcgrath-aston-villa-disgrace-8570292
He means the fans are rightfully in panic mode. Lerner, Fox & Lambert seem very happy to watch us get relegated without a trace of panic.
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if not this season, so on and so forth
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What does it really matter whether the individual stands have been knocked down and built again? It's still the same physical space. It's still Villa Park and not the 02 Bowl or some such shite.
Wembley Stadium has been completely knocked down and re-built, but it's still Wembley. It's still the scene of English football's greatest triumph and countless memories in the long history of classified football in England. That's what counts.
Knocking down an old stadium and then building a pre-packed identikit stadium in some out-of-town convenience location, and then renaming it after whoever pays the most for the 'privilege' is the problem. Not improving what's already there. We would still be standing in fields on the sidelines otherwise.
Villa Park - Historical stadium or the football ground equivalent to Trigger's broom?
Damn - beat me to it!
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What does it really matter whether the individual stands have been knocked down and built again? It's still the same physical space. It's still Villa Park and not the 02 Bowl or some such shite.
Wembley Stadium has been completely knocked down and re-built, but it's still Wembley. It's still the scene of English football's greatest triumph and countless memories in the long history of classified football in England. That's what counts.
Knocking down an old stadium and then building a pre-packed identikit stadium in some out-of-town convenience location, and then renaming it after whoever pays the most for the 'privilege' is the problem. Not improving what's already there. We would still be standing in fields on the sidelines otherwise.
Villa Park - Historical stadium or the football ground equivalent to Trigger's broom?
Damn - beat me to it!
I was on a roll there, too. You've knocked the wind right out my sails.
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We've played for the majority of 15 years plus shit football and we've willingly accepted it. Why complain when people call it as it is?
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I was stood outside my place of work in central London this morning, wearing a Villa hat and having a cigarette. An old man with a walking stick hobbled up and asked what the hat was. When I told him, his response was “Oh dear”.
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What does it really matter whether the individual stands have been knocked down and built again? It's still the same physical space. It's still Villa Park and not the 02 Bowl or some such shite.
Wembley Stadium has been completely knocked down and re-built, but it's still Wembley. It's still the scene of English football's greatest triumph and countless memories in the long history of classified football in England. That's what counts.
Knocking down an old stadium and then building a pre-packed identikit stadium in some out-of-town convenience location, and then renaming it after whoever pays the most for the 'privilege' is the problem. Not improving what's already there. We would still be standing in fields on the sidelines otherwise.
Villa Park - Historical stadium or the football ground equivalent to Trigger's broom?
I like the analogy ;D