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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: SoccerHQ on October 28, 2014, 12:32:46 AM
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O.k for those "lucky" ones attending yet anothe thrill-a-minute home game, it's Spurs. A team in poor form themselves but a team which have beaten us by a combined score of 15-0 during Lambert's time.
Call me mad but I think we'll come out, play alright and scrape a 1-1. However if this game follows form and turns out to be a comfortable 2 or 3 nil Spurs win, I can't believe it will be a case of a few half hearted boos and shuffling out at the end from the crowd.
I don't want to see or hear it as obviously I don't want us to lose but I'd imagine this would be the first proper flak Lambert would get during a home game and maybe the board aswell given Lerner is turning up again.
Think the crowd will be in the low 30s so wouldn't be quite as vicious but I think tonight's result has scaled many people's tipping points.
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There'll be more atmosphere on the moon than at Villa Park on Sunday.
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DC5 formerly of this parish put forward the quite plausible theory that our vocal support was better when lacking the so-called fair weather fans. I think he was right, up to a point.
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What happend to DC5? I liked DC5.
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I reckon it could get quite poisonous. Not least because we have a decent squad now, and to lose 5 in a row without scoring, never looked like scoring, and conceding 13 is not acceptable whoever we have been playing. We have been shambolic since the 1st goal against Arsenal, and frankly I have had enough now. I have been pretty patient with Lambert having wanted previous managers out, but fuck me, my good will is gone. The fucker needs to get out and fast. We are a joke at the moment.
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I reckon it could get quite poisonous. Not least because we have a decent squad now, and to lose 5 in a row without scoring, never looked like scoring, and conceding 13 is not acceptable whoever we have been playing. We have been shambolic since the 1st goal against Arsenal, and frankly I have had enough now. I have been pretty patient with Lambert having wanted previous managers out, but fuck me, my good will is gone. The fucker needs to get out and fast. We are a joke at the moment.
I don't think we have a decent squad. Clark, Baker, Cole, Given, Bent, Gabby, Weiman, Lowton to name a few should be nowhere near the first team. Some of them shouldn't be near the reserve team (if we had one)
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I reckon it could get quite poisonous. Not least because we have a decent squad now, and to lose 5 in a row without scoring, never looked like scoring, and conceding 13 is not acceptable whoever we have been playing. We have been shambolic since the 1st goal against Arsenal, and frankly I have had enough now. I have been pretty patient with Lambert having wanted previous managers out, but fuck me, my good will is gone. The fucker needs to get out and fast. We are a joke at the moment.
I don't think we have a decent squad. Clark, Baker, Cole, Given, Bent, Gabby, Weiman, Lowton to name a few should be nowhere near the first team. Some of them shouldn't be near the reserve team (if we had one)
I think we have a squad that should be finishing mid table. The players you list are poor but the ones you've excluded would be ok under a manager who has a clue
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I'm not even sure I can be bothered to go Sunday and I'm a ST holder. A combination of Sky constantly pissing us around with KO times and the dreadful football has completely drained my enthusiasm.
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I reckon it could get quite poisonous. Not least because we have a decent squad now, and to lose 5 in a row without scoring, never looked like scoring, and conceding 13 is not acceptable whoever we have been playing. We have been shambolic since the 1st goal against Arsenal, and frankly I have had enough now. I have been pretty patient with Lambert having wanted previous managers out, but fuck me, my good will is gone. The fucker needs to get out and fast. We are a joke at the moment.
I don't think we have a decent squad. Clark, Baker, Cole, Given, Bent, Gabby, Weiman, Lowton to name a few should be nowhere near the first team. Some of them shouldn't be near the reserve team (if we had one)
I think we have a squad that should be finishing mid table. The players you list are poor but the ones you've excluded would be ok under a manager who has a clue
I think a first 11, mostly fit that it, is a mid table offering. A 3rd of the squad are not good enough as per above. That leaves us very thin. Not that Cup games have got in the during 2013 and 2014.
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The squad we have is quite capable of finishing in mid table if they are coached correctly, the team set up correctly, the tactics are correct, and substitutions made appropriately. One man is responsible for all those and he is the reason why we are bottom 6.
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The only way we will get rid of PL is for the fans to get vocal against him at the matches. The media will pick up on this and heap the pressure on him and RL to act. Nothing else will work simply because RL is oblivious to any problem.
Staying silent is no longer an option. Trouble is I think we have all had enough of the mediocrity and are apathetic, including me.
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I'm not even sure I can be bothered to go Sunday and I'm a ST holder. A combination of Sky constantly pissing us around with KO times and the dreadful football has completely drained my enthusiasm.
same here Marlon.....modern football is shite and the Villa are shite too...:(
UTV
The Doc
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We need to stop the rot. The crowd will be with the team for the first five minutes, it always is. How quiet it goes depends on how much we show.
If we lose heavily there may be a bit of booing, but I don't think you'll see a massive out pouring like Bolton.
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We need to stop the rot. The crowd will be with the team for the first five minutes, it always is. How quiet it goes depends on how much we show.
If we lose heavily there may be a bit of booing, but I don't think you'll see a massive out pouring like Bolton.
Unless we concede 2 or 3 in the same number of minutes which is something we are often good at...
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I think Spurs will absolutely tear us apart on Sunday. Frankly I don't think we'll see another point coming our way until Burnley away (and that by means of a 0-0 draw).
I don't think they the fans will make much of a fuss - we've had all the fight knocked out of us. I think we expect failure now - as do the players its seems.
This is probably the darkest time since 1967.
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We need to stop the rot. The crowd will be with the team for the first five minutes, it always is. How quiet it goes depends on how much we show.
If we lose heavily there may be a bit of booing, but I don't think you'll see a massive out pouring like Bolton.
Unless we concede 2 or 3 in the same number of minutes which is something we are often good at...
I think we are too brow beaten to be as angry as the game v Bolton. I think Lerner and Faulkner were shitting themselves they would be next in the firing line. Being the subject of 25,000 people's anger can't be healthy
We are good moaners, amongst the best but angry - very rarely.
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I've decided, I'm not going to watch it, I'm giving Villa a miss and I'm going to have some family time. I've had enough now
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Because of the cost I pick about half a dozen matches a season to go to. Spuds on Sunday would have been one of them, but to be honest I can't be arsed.
I'll probably watch it in the pub, but in a ghoulish way just to see the crowd reaction if we get badly beaten.
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If this doesn't go well then this game could, and should, be Lamberts Bolton. I really hope Randy is there to witness it if we just sit there and give Spurs an easy win. I hope we make the point crystal clear once the final whistle blows, that Lambert has to go.
He should be playing for his job now. We're desperate for a point at the moment, let alone a win.
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I'm getting a taxi at 4am that day, to fly to Heathrow, will then drive up to Villa Park. I'll be too tired to boo!
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I don't bother anymore.Prefer going to see live music at weekends. I think there comes a time in your life when you think what's the point?
I watch them if they're on TV and look in here occasionally but nothing ever changes.
I wonder how many 1000's of supporters they have lost over the years, not because they are fair weather but just because they find it pointless?
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Uh-oh, not another one of these posts!
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I won't be there unless I can find a cheap ticket, but mug that I am i'm planning to buy a Burnley ticket tomorrow or Thurs.
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I don't bother anymore.Prefer going to see live music at weekends. I think there comes a time in your life when you think what's the point?
I watch them if they're on TV and look in here occasionally but nothing ever changes.
I wonder how many 1000's of supporters they have lost over the years, not because they are fair weather but just because they find it pointless?
OK you are no longer a supporter just a lapsed fan like thousands of others.
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I'll be there in the Upper Holte and we will no doubt start ok but fail to score and then let 2 goals in quick succession. Huff and puff without creating any decent chances before conceding a third on 80 mins, cue head for the exits and back to the car.
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I struggle to see how not going because it's pointless, i.e. we're shit, is anything but fair weather.
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If this doesn't go well then this game could, and should, be Lamberts Bolton.
Bloody hell that bloke has had numerous Boltons. How many more do we need?
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I struggle to see how not going because it's pointless, i.e. we're shit, is anything but fair weather.
It's the very definition of fair weather.
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If this doesn't go well then this game could, and should, be Lamberts Bolton.
Bloody hell that bloke has had numerous Boltons. How many more do we need?
Ou sont les Boltons d'antan?
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West ham, Crystal Palace and Fulham at home last season and Wigan and Newcastle at home the season before.
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He's had more Bolton's than we've scored goals this season. He's Bolton-proof.
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Think the attendance could be shockingly low. 27/28k ?
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I struggle to see how not going because it's pointless, i.e. we're shit, is anything but fair weather.
It's the very definition of fair weather.
Correction its your definition if fair weather. I doubt many others would describe someone who has been attending games from 1968 to 2013 and making round trips of 100 miles .
A mug maybe?
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not at all but during such a length of time, the drug intake must have been pretty high on occasions
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Well whatever you're taking is having a very odd effect.
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I think Spurs will absolutely tear us apart on Sunday. Frankly I don't think we'll see another point coming our way until Burnley away (and that by means of a 0-0 draw).
I don't think they the fans will make much of a fuss - we've had all the fight knocked out of us. I think we expect failure now - as do the players its seems.
This is probably the darkest time since 1967.
This made me laugh.
We lost our first four games of the season 1997-1998 (I think), was that not our darkest period in history.
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If a person isn't attending games and isn't watching games and doesn't care what happens in games, then they're not supporting the club. Really they're not a supporter at all, so that's a bit unfair on the fair weather fans that only turn out when we play Man United.
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I think Spurs will absolutely tear us apart on Sunday. Frankly I don't think we'll see another point coming our way until Burnley away (and that by means of a 0-0 draw).
I don't think they the fans will make much of a fuss - we've had all the fight knocked out of us. I think we expect failure now - as do the players its seems.
This is probably the darkest time since 1967.
This made me laugh.
We lost our first four games of the season 1997-1998 (I think), was that not our darkest period in history.
Blackburn bladdered us 4-0 at Villa Park if I recall in that run. That was pretty grim.
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Blackburn bladdered us 4-0 at Villa Park if I recall in that run. That was pretty grim.
3-0 down at HT, and both the 0 and the 3 flattered us iirc. Blackburn did us 8-0 on aggregate that season.
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I think Spurs will absolutely tear us apart on Sunday. Frankly I don't think we'll see another point coming our way until Burnley away (and that by means of a 0-0 draw).
I don't think they the fans will make much of a fuss - we've had all the fight knocked out of us. I think we expect failure now - as do the players its seems.
This is probably the darkest time since 1967.
This made me laugh.
We lost our first four games of the season 1997-1998 (I think), was that not our darkest period in history.
We had far better players in the team back then. Players who were underperforming but it was only a matter of time till results improved. I don't think any of us honestly think the same of this squad we have now.
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I got to 2 games last season Palace and Shef United in the cup and the atmosphere at both those games was pretty bad at the end.The Palace game in particular was very bad and he survived that.
Based on atmosphere he would have been gone months ago.That he is still here means it will take something epic to get Randy to act.
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I'd suggest our darkest day was when we were relegated to the old third division. I know I was there.
I hope its OK to comment. Me no longer being a 'supporter'.
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I reckon it could get quite poisonous. Not least because we have a decent squad now, and to lose 5 in a row without scoring, never looked like scoring, and conceding 13 is not acceptable whoever we have been playing. We have been shambolic since the 1st goal against Arsenal, and frankly I have had enough now. I have been pretty patient with Lambert having wanted previous managers out, but fuck me, my good will is gone. The fucker needs to get out and fast. We are a joke at the moment.
I don't think we have a decent squad. Clark, Baker, Cole, Given, Bent, Gabby, Weiman, Lowton to name a few should be nowhere near the first team. Some of them shouldn't be near the reserve team (if we had one)
To me the squad is a lot better than it was in 12/13 so yes we should be mid table. Although it needs everyone to stay fit, we look rubbish in midfield again without Delph.
And we still have fcuk all creativity which says it all about Lambert.
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If a person isn't attending games and isn't watching games and doesn't care what happens in games, then they're not supporting the club. Really they're not a supporter at all, so that's a bit unfair on the fair weather fans that only turn out when we play Man United.
I pick and choose my home games nowadays, I'll admit it after having a season ticket for a few seasons and still going to the majority when I didn't.
Combination of things, cost etc but yeah I'd be lying if I said I wouldn't go to more home games if we were a bit more entertaining to watch at home and scored a few more goals.
Not totally abandoning things as I went to Everton last week and West Ham next although predictably we've gone shite away aswell.
I suppose the real fair weather ones would be the magical 10k who turned up for the Arsenal game and then disappeared for the Man. City game.
No doubt they'll be back for the Man. United and Liverpool games even if we're still rubbish.
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Actually when I had my season ticket they used to turn up for said games .Problem was they all had brummie accents and were supporting United,, Liverpool , Man City etc.
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I'll be there, but I probably won't enjoy it.
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If a person isn't attending games and isn't watching games and doesn't care what happens in games, then they're not supporting the club. Really they're not a supporter at all, so that's a bit unfair on the fair weather fans that only turn out when we play Man United.
I pick and choose my home games nowadays, I'll admit it after having a season ticket for a few seasons and still going to the majority when I didn't.
Combination of things, cost etc but yeah I'd be lying if I said I wouldn't go to more home games if we were a bit more entertaining to watch at home and scored a few more goals.
Not totally abandoning things as I went to Everton last week and West Ham next although predictably we've gone shite away aswell.
I suppose the real fair weather ones would be the magical 10k who turned up for the Arsenal game and then disappeared for the Man. City game.
No doubt they'll be back for the Man. United and Liverpool games even if we're still rubbish.
I think all this fair weather nonsense is a bit of an insult to some people. i pick and choose my games and would rarely, if ever, go to a sky televised game due to the cost of attendance versus my sky subscription which is already paid for. Does that make me and lots of people similar to me fair weather?
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I'm seriously considering taking the wife and kids out for the day. Why should they have another weekend spoiled?
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I think Spurs will absolutely tear us apart on Sunday. Frankly I don't think we'll see another point coming our way until Burnley away (and that by means of a 0-0 draw).
I don't think they the fans will make much of a fuss - we've had all the fight knocked out of us. I think we expect failure now - as do the players its seems.
This is probably the darkest time since 1967.
This made me laugh.
We lost our first four games of the season 1997-1998 (I think), was that not our darkest period in history.
Blackburn bladdered us 4-0 at Villa Park if I recall in that run. That was pretty grim.
It was. And the manager went in the new year
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I've decided the side need the support so Sunday will be our first game of the season. I must be mad.
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I'm seriously considering taking the wife and kids out for the day. Why should they have another weekend spoiled?
If you were a real fan/supporter you'd drag them there crying.
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I will be there and having had a gallon up town before will be convinced that this is the turning point. After the inevitable defeat I'll go back into town for more beer.
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Count yourself lucky, I have to drive an 180 odd mile round trip to every home game, which means I have witnessed every home game for the past two seasons stone cold sober.
The horror... the horror.
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The squad we have is quite capable of finishing in mid table if they are coached correctly, the team set up correctly, the tactics are correct, and substitutions made appropriately. One man is responsible for all those and he is the reason why we are bottom 6.
Exactly and that's why the endless debate about formations is largely waste of time. We have one massive problem and it stands on the touchline every match or sits slumped gormlessly in its seat in the dug out looking like its been on the brew since the night before. And it probably has
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It's my birthday Sunday.... bastard Sky Sports.
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It's my birthday Sunday.... bastard Sky Sports.
I do hope it's a happy one!
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The atmosphere at Villa Park will be the same as it's been since Lambert took over. Apathy rules in B6.
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I think Richard put his finger on it there. Statistics apart, and they are appalling statistics, the man himself is a great inert lump of incoherent dullness. There is nothing personal in that criticism, just an assessment of his perceived public persona.
I am sure the reason why as a team we are less than the sum of the parts is because the players at best have little regard for him and at worst dislike him intensely.
Don't forget these players have endured him and his excuses and his alibis close up and personally. They knew what was going on with Culverhouse and Karsa and so did Lambert yet a few months down the line they see him get a big fat new contract, how would you expect the players to feel?
The bright start to the season was due to the fresh air in the dressing room brought by Roy Keane. It has dissipated now and the players heads have gone down again.
I shall be at the game as always, hopefully with two sons and a grandson but I don't expect a Bolton whatever the result. Lerner and Lambert have done what they set out to do and crushed the fire out of the fans.
I consider myself privileged to have been at Villa Park to see McLeish get his marching orders but it won't ever happen again. Too many Villa fans have had all the passion knocked out of them by the sequence of O'Neill's pre-emptive strike, sick Houllier and two Scottish puddings back to back.
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Could be right Brian for the continual rubbish served up week to week us supporters have been amazingly passive, i think they secretly put sedatives in the liquid refreshments.
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Could be right Brian for the continual rubbish served up week to week us supporters have been amazingly passive, i think they secretly put sedatives in the liquid refreshments.
So that's why it tastes so bad!
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Sunday - bring on the Russ
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I expect a decent atmosphere to start and then it will depend on what happens. I think we will win so expect it will be ok come 17.50ish.
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I think Spurs will absolutely tear us apart on Sunday. Frankly I don't think we'll see another point coming our way until Burnley away (and that by means of a 0-0 draw).
I don't think they the fans will make much of a fuss - we've had all the fight knocked out of us. I think we expect failure now - as do the players its seems.
This is probably the darkest time since 1967.
This made me laugh.
We lost our first four games of the season 1997-1998 (I think), was that not our darkest period in history.
I said 1967 not 97!!!!
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I think Spurs will absolutely tear us apart on Sunday. Frankly I don't think we'll see another point coming our way until Burnley away (and that by means of a 0-0 draw).
I don't think they the fans will make much of a fuss - we've had all the fight knocked out of us. I think we expect failure now - as do the players its seems.
This is probably the darkest time since 1967.
This made me laugh.
We lost our first four games of the season 1997-1998 (I think), was that not our darkest period in history.
I said 1967 not 97!!!!
Whatever you said, it was still blatant nonsense.
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We were dark horses for the title in '97/'98 but after that terrible start we picked-up albeit in patches. Our European run and Gregory's new manager bounce when he came in showed just how good that team was on its day.
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I think Spurs will absolutely tear us apart on Sunday. Frankly I don't think we'll see another point coming our way until Burnley away (and that by means of a 0-0 draw).
I don't think they the fans will make much of a fuss - we've had all the fight knocked out of us. I think we expect failure now - as do the players its seems.
This is probably the darkest time since 1967.
This made me laugh.
We lost our first four games of the season 1997-1998 (I think), was that not our darkest period in history.
I said 1967 not 97!!!!
Whatever you said, it was still blatant nonsense.
Indeed. It's our darkest time since 2005-06, as the situation is near-identical, or at least very similar. The club is not going out of business, however. Let's not go mental.
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It is like the O'Leary period of his last 1.5 seasons - i.e. all of the calendar year 05 and first half of 2006 but one which has been going on for over 4 years with the pain stretched out.
Manager (Hoillier) belittling the club, like O'Leary did.
Expectations 'managed' ever downwards (Houllier, McLeish, Lambert) - for Charlton read I dunno Swansea?
An out of touch Chairman looking to sell.
Defeats in the Cup to lower league clubs Doncaster and Sheff Utd/Millwall/Orient.
A drifting club, directionless and battling relegation instead of being comfortbly mid table.
We need something big to galvanise us. Quickly
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It is like the O'Leary period of his last 1.5 seasons - i.e. all of the calendar year 05 and first half of 2006 but one which has been going on for over 4 years with the pain stretched out.
Manager (Hoillier) belittling the club, like O'Leary did.
Expectations 'managed' ever downwards (Houllier, McLeish, Lambert) - for Charlton read I dunno Swansea?
An out of touch Chairman looking to sell.
Defeats in the Cup to lower league clubs Doncaster and Sheff Utd/Millwall/Orient.
A drifting club, directionless and battling relegation instead of being comfortbly mid table.
We need something big to galvanise us. Quickly
I think our next appointment needs to be a major coup.
I'd even be tempted to offer Giovanni Trapattoni a two and a half year contract. He's 75 but said he's not looking to retire.
In that two and a half years, give him full control and eventually chose his successor.
It's never going to happen mind.
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I think Spurs will absolutely tear us apart on Sunday. Frankly I don't think we'll see another point coming our way until Burnley away (and that by means of a 0-0 draw).
I don't think they the fans will make much of a fuss - we've had all the fight knocked out of us. I think we expect failure now - as do the players its seems.
This is probably the darkest time since 1967.
This made me laugh.
We lost our first four games of the season 1997-1998 (I think), was that not our darkest period in history.
I said 1967 not 97!!!!
You're right, getting relegated to division 3 and failing to gain promotion at the first attempt was a golden age. ;¬)
Seriously though, there is an increasing tendency in all walks of life to label things as the best/worst/biggest etc that is really, really annoying.
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Count yourself lucky, I have to drive an 180 odd mile round trip to every home game, which means I have witnessed every home game for the past two seasons stone cold sober.
The horror... the horror.
I do the same journey for every home game..but i go by train and relax and have a few beers on route..trust me it helps!!
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The squad we have is quite capable of finishing in mid table if they are coached correctly, the team set up correctly, the tactics are correct, and substitutions made appropriately. One man is responsible for all those and he is the reason why we are bottom 6.
Exactly and that's why the endless debate about formations is largely waste of time. We have one massive problem and it stands on the touchline every match or sits slumped gormlessly in its seat in the dug out looking like its been on the brew since the night before. And it probably has
The biggest problem this club has is Randy Lerner. Lambert is miles of his depth but to quote MON when he took over, we are a disaffected club (again). Lerner somehow thought it was a good idea a few weeks back to hand out new contracts to the likes of Lambert, Gabby and Hutton based on four games at the start of this season.
Our squad is pretty hopeless too, granted we should be doing better but we supplemented our squad from last season (the worst Villa side since McNeill) with players who were often their club's worst last season. We are dealing with the consequences of bargain basement shopping for a few years now.
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Something that has gone without much comment is that the Villa fans were very supportive at the QPR game even after we went 1-0 down until everyone seemed to collectively realise there was no plan to change the game at all. Moaning started in pockets from about 55 minutes through to the second goal which came almost exactly 10 minutes after everyone in the ground knew we needed to make a change except the one man in charge of doing so. At the final whistle on Monday I feel any booing was justified. I would personally never boo during the game (although I can't help but moan sometimes when players or the manager don't seem interested) but at the final whistle letting frustration vent is understandable.
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Something that has gone without much comment is that the Villa fans were very supportive at the QPR game even after we went 1-0 down until everyone seemed to collectively realise there was no plan to change the game at all. Moaning started in pockets from about 55 minutes through to the second goal which came almost exactly 10 minutes after everyone in the ground knew we needed to make a change except the one man in charge of doing so. At the final whistle on Monday I feel any booing was justified. I would personally never boo during the game (although I can't help but moan sometimes when players or the manager don't seem interested) but at the final whistle letting frustration vent is understandable.
Correct approach. Booing during match is counterproductive
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I will be there and having had a gallon up town before will be convinced that this is the turning point. After the inevitable defeat I'll go back into town for more beer.
You are a warrior for the economy of this city!
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The squad we have is quite capable of finishing in mid table if they are coached correctly, the team set up correctly, the tactics are correct, and substitutions made appropriately. One man is responsible for all those and he is the reason why we are bottom 6.
Exactly and that's why the endless debate about formations is largely waste of time. We have one massive problem and it stands on the touchline every match or sits slumped gormlessly in its seat in the dug out looking like its been on the brew since the night before. And it probably has
The biggest problem this club has is Randy Lerner. Lambert is miles of his depth but to quote MON when he took over, we are a disaffected club (again). Lerner somehow thought it was a good idea a few weeks back to hand out new contracts to the likes of Lambert, Gabby and Hutton based on four games at the start of this season.
Our squad is pretty hopeless too, granted we should be doing better but we supplemented our squad from last season (the worst Villa side since McNeill) with players who were often their club's worst last season. We are dealing with the consequences of bargain basement shopping for a few years now.
I think we're not a squad that is ever going to push for Europe, but, conversely, we are not a team that should be flirting with relegation. That fundamentally comes down to whats going on with the players, tactically, team selection and fitness-wise.This is an issue about how the team is managed not how the club is run.
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We've been more consistently shit against these than any other team in recent years. We even put up more of a fight against Man U than we do against these show-ponies. That needs sorting. If we put in another disgraceful effort and find ourselves out of the game with half an hour left, the knives will be out.
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I am in complete agreement Simboy.
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I was there when we were relegated to Division 3. I was there when we won the league and European Cup. And again when we went down under McNeil. I'll be there on Sunday.
Through thick and thin, right?
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I'll put my neck on the block and say that this could be the dawning of a new era.
Only saying it could be.
Not saying if its a good era either.
Might not happen this weekend.
Or this year come to think of it.
Still.
Something will happen, I guarantee it.
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I was there when we were relegated to Division 3. I was there when we won the league and European Cup. And again when we went down under McNeil. I'll be there on Sunday.
Through thick and thin, right?
You're lucky enough to be of a certain age to have seen Villa do the lot. For anyone under 30, however, it's more a case of "thin and thin".
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Actually considered not going as the thought of those spuds fans celebrating yet another easy and comprehensive win fills me with frustration.I think it will turn nasty for Lambert if that happens.
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I was there when we were relegated to Division 3. I was there when we won the league and European Cup. And again when we went down under McNeil. I'll be there on Sunday.
Through thick and thin, right?
You're lucky enough to be of a certain age to have seen Villa do the lot. For anyone under 30, however, it's more a case of "thin and thin".
I'm 30 next month and the halcyon days consist of two League Cups and unexpectedly exciting and high-performing league seasons in '93 and '96 (too young to remember '90).
For anyone under 20, O'Neill's solid tenure is as commemorative as it gets.
For the kids whose parents have tried to get them into the Villa since the start of this decade, I don't think anyone can blame them for having no interest whatsoever.
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Spurs always have the better of us. I am sure it was under O'Neill when they had 10 men and still passed us off the park!
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I was there when we were relegated to Division 3. I was there when we won the league and European Cup. And again when we went down under McNeil. I'll be there on Sunday.
Through thick and thin, right?
You're lucky enough to be of a certain age to have seen Villa do the lot. For anyone under 30, however, it's more a case of "thin and thin".
I'm 30 next month and the halcyon days consist of two League Cups and unexpectedly exciting and high-performing league seasons in '93 and '96 (too young to remember '90).
For anyone under 20, O'Neill's solid tenure is as commemorative as it gets.
For the kids whose parents have tried to get them into the Villa since the start of this decade, I don't think anyone can blame them for having no interest whatsoever.
you are on the money.
to my shame, my son is more into egg chasing. the shame we aint even got a proper rugby team in Birmingham. he takes me to Sutton. the shame.
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I was there when we were relegated to Division 3. I was there when we won the league and European Cup. And again when we went down under McNeil. I'll be there on Sunday.
Through thick and thin, right?
You're lucky enough to be of a certain age to have seen Villa do the lot. For anyone under 30, however, it's more a case of "thin and thin".
I'm 30 next month and the halcyon days consist of two League Cups and unexpectedly exciting and high-performing league seasons in '93 and '96 (too young to remember '90).
For anyone under 20, O'Neill's solid tenure is as commemorative as it gets.
For the kids whose parents have tried to get them into the Villa since the start of this decade, I don't think anyone can blame them for having no interest whatsoever.
you are on the money.
to my shame, my son is more into egg chasing. the shame we aint even got a proper rugby team in Birmingham. he takes me to Sutton. the shame.
What about Moseley, who are in the RFC Championship and play at Billesley Common?
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The squad we have is quite capable of finishing in mid table if they are coached correctly, the team set up correctly, the tactics are correct, and substitutions made appropriately. One man is responsible for all those and he is the reason why we are bottom 6.
Exactly and that's why the endless debate about formations is largely waste of time. We have one massive problem and it stands on the touchline every match or sits slumped gormlessly in its seat in the dug out looking like its been on the brew since the night before. And it probably has
The biggest problem this club has is Randy Lerner. Lambert is miles of his depth but to quote MON when he took over, we are a disaffected club (again). Lerner somehow thought it was a good idea a few weeks back to hand out new contracts to the likes of Lambert, Gabby and Hutton based on four games at the start of this season.
Our squad is pretty hopeless too, granted we should be doing better but we supplemented our squad from last season (the worst Villa side since McNeill) with players who were often their club's worst last season. We are dealing with the consequences of bargain basement shopping for a few years now.
I think we're not a squad that is ever going to push for Europe, but, conversely, we are not a team that should be flirting with relegation. That fundamentally comes down to whats going on with the players, tactically, team selection and fitness-wise.This is an issue about how the team is managed not how the club is run.
Agree on the squad and team management, but strongly disagree with the final point. This is most certainly an issue about how the club is run, because if the club wasn't run so terribly, we wouldn't still have this terrible manager. The buck stops with our chronically naive and foolish owner.
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I think a shameful look at West Ham shows the difference with a board that understand football a bit more. Could not afford to sack Allardyce so they told him to buy forwards and flair in the summer, ordered him to play a more exciting style and get in a forwards coach. It is now paying off quite clearly for them.
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I'll put my neck on the block and say that this could be the dawning of a new era.
Only saying it could be.
Not saying if its a good era either.
Might not happen this weekend.
Or this year come to think of it.
Still.
Something will happen, I guarantee it.
LOL - although I think the new era dawned when Lambert was given a four contract - it's not a good one.
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My money is on it being about 78% Nitrogen, about 20% Oxygen, and with bits of Argon and Carbon Dioxide in there somewhere.
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I'll put my neck on the block and say that this could be the dawning of a new era.
Only saying it could be.
Not saying if its a good era either.
Might not happen this weekend.
Or this year come to think of it.
Still.
Something will happen, I guarantee it.
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My money is on it being about 78% Nitrogen, about 20% Oxygen, and with bits of Argon and Carbon Dioxide in there somewhere.
High levels of methane if its anything like recent games
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I was there when we were relegated to Division 3. I was there when we won the league and European Cup. And again when we went down under McNeil. I'll be there on Sunday.
Through thick and thin, right?
You're lucky enough to be of a certain age to have seen Villa do the lot. For anyone under 30, however, it's more a case of "thin and thin".
I'm 30 next month and the halcyon days consist of two League Cups and unexpectedly exciting and high-performing league seasons in '93 and '96 (too young to remember '90).
For anyone under 20, O'Neill's solid tenure is as commemorative as it gets.
For the kids whose parents have tried to get them into the Villa since the start of this decade, I don't think anyone can blame them for having no interest whatsoever.
you are on the money.
to my shame, my son is more into egg chasing. the shame we aint even got a proper rugby team in Birmingham. he takes me to Sutton. the shame.
What about Moseley, who are in the RFC Championship and play at Billesley Common?
yes Moseley we went there as well they played some of the name Welsh pirates, boring, and no atmosphere, been to Leicester twice but told him were not supporting Leicester so Suttons local and imo a better game than the billesley common bunch.
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What about Wasps? They'll be fairly local soon.
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It's my birthday Sunday.... bastard Sky Sports.
I do hope it's a happy one!
You think they'll postpone the game?
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Think the atmosphere will depend on how we start the match. Should be a solid turn out at least. Spurs have been very hit and miss this season, but do think they enjoy playing us and should have too much for us, which would really make the Burnley match a must-win.