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Title: Jack Grealish
Post by: Legion on May 25, 2014, 06:19:55 PM
I really, really hope this lad makes it. As well as ability he most definitely has the core Villa values at heart:

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Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Legion on May 25, 2014, 06:20:54 PM
He saw this young man after the HK7 game today and took him into the changing rooms to meet the team and give him a Villa shirt.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Hoppo on May 25, 2014, 06:45:11 PM
Thats fantastic. I think he has talent and temperament to succeed.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: cdbullyweefan on May 25, 2014, 07:17:44 PM
Well done Jack.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 25, 2014, 07:30:51 PM
awesome
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: nigel on May 25, 2014, 08:00:15 PM
I think one of the reasons Mark Albrighton was allowed to leave was to open the door for Grealish and Robinson
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 25, 2014, 08:02:37 PM
He.'s Villa mad as well, as is his dad Kev.

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Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: silhillvilla on May 25, 2014, 08:33:49 PM
Good work Jack.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: dave shelley on May 25, 2014, 09:35:58 PM
This deserves to be in the Touch of Villa Class thread.  Well done young fella.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: not3bad on May 25, 2014, 09:42:02 PM
Hopefully Jack will be one of the bright spots of next season.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 25, 2014, 09:46:13 PM
Well done Jack, and agreed I hope he can be a big player next year.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Newby on May 25, 2014, 09:47:59 PM
Top man. Great values.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: peter w on May 25, 2014, 09:48:18 PM
I think one of the reasons Mark Albrighton was allowed to leave was to open the door for Grealish and Robinson

Yeah, I thought that after Albrighton was let go.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: aj2k77 on May 25, 2014, 09:57:58 PM
Top lad, maybe the mercurial number 10 next season?
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: ozzjim on May 25, 2014, 10:25:46 PM
Really hope one of the reasons we have let Albrighton go without more than a whimper is because Grealish will be in the first team picture next season. Ditto Carruthers.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 25, 2014, 10:27:41 PM
Really hope one of the reasons we have let Albrighton go without more than a whimper is because Grealish will be in the first team picture next season. Ditto Carruthers.

Indeed. Albrighton was alright and good luck to him, but he looked good because we were so poor.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: KevinEaton on May 25, 2014, 10:43:03 PM
He had a great finish to the tournament by all accounts.

I just hope if he does get in the team next year, he gets given time by the fans. He's a young lad so his form is bound to be inconsistent at first. The expectations are high, we will just need to remind ourselves to be patient with him
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: villan from luton on May 25, 2014, 11:31:45 PM
This young lad has had to deal with personal tragedy. I really hope he can become a top top player for Villa, he certainly deserves it with his attiude
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: The Laughing Policeman on May 26, 2014, 12:20:35 AM
I think we all should say a big thank you to his mom for letting him stay out late to play for the Villa. :)
On a serious note, I've only seen him play a couple of times but each time he was the one who caught my eye. Another Sid in the making?
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Dave Cooper please on May 26, 2014, 12:50:21 AM
A Notts County fan I met in Brum earlier was certainly waxing lyrical about him. Okay it's a massive step up to the remier League but I reckon he'll make it.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Gregorys Boy on May 26, 2014, 01:08:45 AM
That was a great gesture by him, and I hope he has a very good career at Villa ahead of him.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: supertom on May 26, 2014, 08:17:46 AM
It seems as if he has a footballing brain, which will take him a long way I think. I don't think next season is too early to see him in the first team either, particularly with the current transfer budget we have, and the fact a takeover isn't likely in the immediate future.

He's stood up to the physical rigours of League 1, minus his shin pads. He's filled out a little too. Pre-season is key. Get him involved throughout, because I think we need to start looking at integrating Grealish, Robinson and perhaps Johnson in the next year.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: dave shelley on May 26, 2014, 09:33:00 AM
It seems as if he has a footballing brain, which will take him a long way I think. I don't think next season is too early to see him in the first team either, particularly with the current transfer budget we have, and the fact a takeover isn't likely in the immediate future.

He's stood up to the physical rigours of League 1, minus his shin pads. He's filled out a little too.
Pre-season is key. Get him involved throughout, because I think we need to start looking at integrating Grealish, Robinson and perhaps Johnson in the next year.

Tom, he would not be allowed to take the field without shin pads, it's the law.  It's the way he wears them, it gives the impression he's not.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: SheffieldVillain on May 26, 2014, 10:39:54 AM
I had been thinking that it might be better to send him out on loan to the Championship next year, but the way things are I hope he gets his chance in pre-season and August/September with us.

What the club - both fans and players - needs now is a lift, of any sort. If that doesn't come through player purchases or a shiny new loaded owner, a home-grown talent coming into the team might just be the ticket.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: FatSam on May 26, 2014, 11:20:05 AM
A Notts County fan I met in Brum earlier was certainly waxing lyrical about him. Okay it's a massive step up to the remier League but I reckon he'll make it.

I spent the day with some Notts supporting friends of mine yesterday. They also spoke about him in glowing terms. They said that he was just really good fun to watch, because he could take people on at will. Apparently he was their most fouled player last season, despite only playing half a season for them - which just goes to show how League 1 defenders decided to deal with him.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Olneythelonely on May 26, 2014, 11:26:34 AM
There's a video on YouTube of him being absolutely clattered by some shit league one defender. It was obvious that it was the only way to stop him. From reports it seems he started off brightly, but then had a bit of a dip in the middle, before being their best player towards the end of the season.

As long as we're willing to give him time and allow him to make mistakes, I'd love to see him given some games next season.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: OzVilla on May 26, 2014, 11:30:38 AM
Let's not big him up too much. We're a club littered with young players that have come through the ranks to then fade very early on and never fulfill their potential.

Just look at some of those old Luke Moore threads.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: PeterWithe on May 26, 2014, 11:38:04 AM
I saw him pre-season last year, I'd be surprised if he came thorough this year. He's a talent, he reminded me of Chris Waddle, not entirely reliant on pace but good balance, seemed to hold onto the ball a bit too much.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Chipsticks on May 26, 2014, 01:23:26 PM
Seems to absolutely love the Villa, and attends games from the stands when he's free. I really liked the Tweet he sent out after making his debut against Man City:

"Best feeling of my life making my debut for the club I've supported and been with since I was 6... Pity about the result but wow.. So happy :)"
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 26, 2014, 06:58:32 PM
Really hope one of the reasons we have let Albrighton go without more than a whimper is because Grealish will be in the first team picture next season. Ditto Carruthers.

Not sure on Carruthers, he also has a bad injury atm.

Grealish really should be a regular in our 18 next season, even starting some games if he does well in his sub appearences.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: eamonn on May 26, 2014, 07:03:52 PM
This young lad has had to deal with personal tragedy. I really hope he can become a top top player for Villa, he certainly deserves it with his attiude


Has he?
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Olneythelonely on May 26, 2014, 08:12:59 PM
This young lad has had to deal with personal tragedy. I really hope he can become a top top player for Villa, he certainly deserves it with his attiude


Has he?

His little brother passed away I think.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: London Villan on May 26, 2014, 09:38:58 PM
Surely he will be a better bet than wasting cash on players from the lower leagues...
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: leylandalbion on May 26, 2014, 09:48:40 PM
No doubt...just need to keep him level headed...a special player is there
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 27, 2014, 10:49:30 AM
Surely he will be a better bet than wasting cash on players from the lower leagues...
he's already a better player than Tonev will ever be
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: not3bad on May 27, 2014, 11:42:24 AM
Surely he will be a better bet than wasting cash on players from the lower leagues...

Well quite. Why buy a promising winger from Notts County when he's already gone and been a promising winger at Notts County?
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Matt C on May 29, 2014, 03:55:39 AM
Nice piece on young Jack here:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2078045-jack-grealish-the-aston-villa-and-republic-of-ireland-rising-star
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: richardhubbard on May 29, 2014, 08:23:17 AM
Just watched the notts county video on him, he is one special talent.

I hope we can combine him and Gardner next season  and bring some positive news back to villa.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: *shellac* on May 29, 2014, 08:56:15 AM
Coiffured quiff.  Love it.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 01, 2014, 09:46:44 PM
Referenced earlier but this ain't bad is it?

superb goal in HK from Grealish (http://m.101greatgoals.com/blog/aston-villas-jack-grealish-18-scores-solo-wondergoal-in-hong-kong-tournament-vine/)

Certainly looking forward to him being given a shot next season
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Newby on June 01, 2014, 11:02:55 PM
I hope that this is one player who really makes the grade for us. He looks a real talent and I hope the first team coaches, whoever they turn out to be, coach him well enough to allow him to stay as exciting as he looks at the moment.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Hillbilly on June 02, 2014, 03:06:22 AM
Referenced earlier but this ain't bad is it?

superb goal in HK from Grealish (http://m.101greatgoals.com/blog/aston-villas-jack-grealish-18-scores-solo-wondergoal-in-hong-kong-tournament-vine/)

Certainly looking forward to him being given a shot next season
I like the way he had the nous to push the ball right when the last defender came in from the left. He wasn't afraid to take the knock.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: supertom on June 02, 2014, 10:51:38 AM
He doesn't get knocked down easily. Good balance and fantastic close ball control. I think a season of getting smashed around by L1 defenders has given him the necessary introduction to the physical nature of Professional English football. In those terms he'll be able to come up and handle things physically. Its good seeing a winger who doesn't shy away from taking a battering.
He's got a footballing brain on him too, so I'd fancy him not to get caught in possession too often without having an escape plan of some kind.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Ads on June 02, 2014, 11:12:37 AM
I really hope this guy gets a chance and that he takes it with both hands. He clearly has an immense amount of ability on the ball and while its wrong to place the weight on him to be our fulcrum in attack, he is certainly a very exciting prospect.

Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: CheeriOneill on June 02, 2014, 11:57:29 AM
Played golf Saturday with a Notts County ST holder.

He loves Grealish, said he went away to watch them in one of his early games, he got a "roughing up", got taken out and went off injured.

He reckons Derry told him to man up and it never happened again despite some hefty challenges.

It's obviously a step up but I think he will make it next year.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: dcdavecollett on June 02, 2014, 12:27:31 PM
Yes, I remember seeing that on the TV. I think it was against Stevenage, who are regarded as a rough-house team. JG had to go off with a dead-leg and he was lucky to get away with that after such a bad challenge.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: not3bad on June 02, 2014, 01:16:34 PM
Referenced earlier but this ain't bad is it?

superb goal in HK from Grealish (http://m.101greatgoals.com/blog/aston-villas-jack-grealish-18-scores-solo-wondergoal-in-hong-kong-tournament-vine/)

Certainly looking forward to him being given a shot next season
I like the way he had the nous to push the ball right when the last defender came in from the left. He wasn't afraid to take the knock.

Reaction from Dan Crowley (http://www.caughtoffside.com/2014/06/02/video-arsenal-starlet-praises-aston-villa-youngsters-amazing-solo-goal/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=video-arsenal-starlet-praises-aston-villa-youngsters-amazing-solo-goal).

Apparently "You're a joke" is praise. At least he didn't say the goal was "sick" I suppose.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: dekko on June 02, 2014, 01:29:42 PM
Heres the challenge from the Stevenage player, it was a pretty strong one:

https://vine.co/v/hljDaLgA30M
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Monty on June 02, 2014, 01:39:21 PM
He's very talented, and very exciting, but his hair is completely ridiculous. What's with that overgrowth at the front? He doesn't need it cut, he needs it mowed.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: dekko on June 02, 2014, 02:04:58 PM
I've just watched the thing on the official site about the Hong Kong soccer 7s and I think we can safely say that he's far too good for youth football
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: peter w on June 03, 2014, 08:30:16 PM
Heres the challenge from the Stevenage player, it was a pretty strong one:

https://vine.co/v/hljDaLgA30M

That's what you get at any level being a young player showing up older cloggers. If he has learnt from the season then we'll have the benefit of his loan.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 04, 2014, 12:15:27 PM
What was a magnificent goal he scored in Hong Kong, but did you see how dreadful the defending was for it?
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: adrenachrome on June 04, 2014, 12:23:42 PM
What was a magnificent goal he scored in Hong Kong, but did you see how dreadful the defending was for it?

Yes, and you could say much the same about his impressive goals for Notts County.

In the Prem, he will get nothing like that amount of space and the pace of the game is often relentlessly manic. Also, he will have to put up with the all in wrestling that has become commonplace in the penalty area when there is a dead ball. Different gravy, as The Merse would say.

I still think he will make it, though. Then again I thought Stephen Cook would make it.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Pat McMahon on June 04, 2014, 02:25:13 PM
A propos Hong Kong, I was in Beijing a couple of months ago and met a friend of my niece who is a Derby fan.

He used to live in HK and met Sid in a bar during the 7s there a couple of years ago. HK has some "raunchy" nightlife and he was chatting to Sid at the bar, but they were continually approached by youngsters checking in with Sid. It turns out that Sid's approach was to allow the players to go to bars on their own but they had to check in at Sid's bar every 45 minutes, figuring that that was too short a time to get into serious mischief.

He said Sid was very down to earth, friendly and very quiet - "not a Billy big bollocks"

Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: paul_e on June 04, 2014, 03:40:48 PM
What was a magnificent goal he scored in Hong Kong, but did you see how dreadful the defending was for it?

Yes, and you could say much the same about his impressive goals for Notts County.

In the Prem, he will get nothing like that amount of space and the pace of the game is often relentlessly manic. Also, he will have to put up with the all in wrestling that has become commonplace in the penalty area when there is a dead ball. Different gravy, as The Merse would say.

I still think he will make it, though. Then again I thought Stephen Cook would make it.

Everyone said Benteke wouldn't get so much space in the premier league after watching him peel off defenders to score in the videos we watched before he started.  The reality is top players make it look easy regardless of who they play against.  I'm not saying Grealish is a top player, just saying that I don't like the 'but look how much time he had' argument, you could apply that to every game Zidane ever played, for example.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Bren'd on June 04, 2014, 03:47:19 PM
What was a magnificent goal he scored in Hong Kong, but did you see how dreadful the defending was for it?

You can only score against what you're up against.  Not his fault that they couldn't cope with him. 

He needs to be developed gradually not lumped in as a fixture when someone up front gets injured.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Somniloquism on June 04, 2014, 03:57:40 PM
Totally agree with Paul_e on that. Of course with 7 players on an almost full sized pitch players will have more room, but the fact that only Grealish scored a goal like that must show fast feet and thinking that some of the other youth teamers taking part didn't have. He also finished top scorer with 6 goals so he definitely knows where the net is.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 04, 2014, 05:38:59 PM
I wasn't even commenting on the quality of the goal or the skills he showed, more a passing comment on the defending in evidence there.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: peter w on June 04, 2014, 06:36:59 PM
It looked like the last defender ran on from the stands. 'Where the fuck did you come from' I'd imagine the comment would have been...'the pub'?
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 04, 2014, 08:07:12 PM
It looked like the last defender ran on from the stands. 'Where the fuck did you come from' I'd imagine the comment would have been...'the pub'?

That's what I meant, the right back appears to sprint across the pitch, in line with the touch line, as if he'd just come on as a sub, or left the pub or something.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Somniloquism on June 04, 2014, 09:04:32 PM
There are 7 people on the pitch for each team so I would be surprised if he was a "right back" and he wasn't out on wing maybe having marked the person who played the ball in the second or two earlier from that side.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: DesBremner on July 03, 2014, 01:41:19 PM
An interesting write up

http://www.thesefootballtimes.net/#!52stars/cug
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Villa in Denmark on July 03, 2014, 10:05:22 PM
An interesting write up

http://www.thesefootballtimes.net/#!52stars/cug

Agree with most of that, but from what I've seen of him I wouldn't say balance was one of his weaknesses.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: paul_e on July 04, 2014, 12:14:41 AM
An interesting write up

http://www.thesefootballtimes.net/#!52stars/cug

Agree with most of that, but from what I've seen of him I wouldn't say balance was one of his weaknesses.

I found that strange as well, for me the most impressive thing is his low centre of gravity, it's means he has a 'sway' when he goes past people.  I agree on the pace thing which is why all along I've thought he'd make it as a 10 rather than out wide but that's the only thing that's clearly lacking in his game.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: peter w on July 04, 2014, 07:44:38 AM
The thing with pace is that although preferable it is not the be all and end of all of any players game, never mind a wide player. As long as he's got that initial burst that will be enough to buy him a yard or two, and from the admittedly small snippets I've seen from him, he does appear to possess that. Don't forget Beckham played mostly on the right and lacked pace. But for him a trick, a drop of the shoulder, shifting the ball early to find a yeard is sometimes all a good player needs. For Grealish I wouldn't worry about that lack of Gabby type pace.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Villa in Denmark on July 04, 2014, 02:10:24 PM
The other thing with a lack of blistering pace is that you can pretty much rely on maintaining a career at the upper end of the league, as long as the technique and desire are there for much longer.

Look at the likes of Owen, who as soon as injuries started to take their toll was pretty much done for at the highest level.  He might have got contracts out of Newcastle, ManU sand Stoke, but he was pretty much a busted flush throughout that period.

He got a few goals for Ferguson coming on against tiring defences surrounded by players several levels above a good chunk of the opposition, but the days when he could pretty much win a game just by his threat to a back 4 were long gone.

Someone like Barry however, just keeps ticking over at pretty much the same level he has for the last 6-7 years.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: IamLegend on July 04, 2014, 04:55:09 PM
Teddy Sheringham.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Matt Collins on July 05, 2014, 06:39:03 AM
The concern is, if you lack pace you need some other outstanding attribute

Beckham's was pinpoint crossing and passing

Sheringham was great in the air and intelligence

Got high hopes for jack, but that's obviously the concern. He'll have to be outstandingly good with his passing and linking up. He doesn't seem to haves great cross on him
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 05, 2014, 08:06:43 AM
The concern is, if you lack pace you need some other outstanding attribute

Beckham's was pinpoint crossing and passing

Sheringham was great in the air and intelligence

Got high hopes for jack, but that's obviously the concern. He'll have to be outstandingly good with his passing and linking up. He doesn't seem to haves great cross on him

Agree, not necessarily on the merits of Grelish (I've not seen him enough to comment either way) but an absence of pace means another attribute will need to be that much better in order to stand out.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: dcdavecollett on July 12, 2014, 06:34:46 PM
Grealish is a special talent; his ability to drift past people isn't affected by the absence of Gabby-like pace.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Matt Collins on July 12, 2014, 10:59:54 PM
Let's hope so. But Stephen Cooke could drift past players. We need to see him drift past premier league players
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: villan from luton on July 12, 2014, 11:19:01 PM
Bloody hell, lets not write him off yet. Seen snippets of him on TV/internet and half hour of pre season game at Liton when we were utter tripe. He looks a good player to me, He is not scared of taking players on and the league one players seemed intent on kicking him. As for the crossing, he seems to have a really good one of those. He is not scared of being hacked and really hope he kicks on
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Matt Collins on July 13, 2014, 06:47:57 AM
Who was writing him off? We're all hopeful. But I've personally seen so many hyped villa players not prove good enough that I'm reserving judgment. And my main reservation is that I can't think of many top modern day wingers without pace or a great cross

For me, that means he will probably need to be the kind of nasri style inside left, or maybe even a number 10. The good news is that his style is a bit like this. The worry is that you really need to be outstanding technically to make it. And these islands don't exactly specialise in that sort of player
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: villan from luton on July 13, 2014, 10:04:52 PM
Nasri is a good comparison actually in the way he plays. He seems a level headed lad and hope he suceeds. There again I saw Stephen Cooke and thought he would be a real player
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Ron Manager on July 15, 2014, 08:40:12 PM
Let's hope so. But Stephen Cooke could drift past players. We need to see him drift past premier league players

As I've often said in the past I really did think Stephen Cooke would make it....but he didnt. I hope Jack Grealish gives it all he's got. Talent isnt everything, a big part, but not everything.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: paulcomben on July 15, 2014, 08:55:33 PM
The other thing with a lack of blistering pace is that you can pretty much rely on maintaining a career at the upper end of the league, as long as the technique and desire are there for much longer.

Look at the likes of Owen, who as soon as injuries started to take their toll was pretty much done for at the highest level.  He might have got contracts out of Newcastle, ManU sand Stoke, but he was pretty much a busted flush throughout that period.

He got a few goals for Ferguson coming on against tiring defences surrounded by players several levels above a good chunk of the opposition, but the days when he could pretty much win a game just by his threat to a back 4 were long gone.

Someone like Barry however, just keeps ticking over at pretty much the same level he has for the last 6-7 years.

The Carling Cup Final 2010 having been blotted from memory?
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: silhillvilla on July 15, 2014, 08:58:35 PM
Hoping Grealish becomes our own Wilshire minus the hyperbole media BS and trips to Vegas and B&H.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Villa in Denmark on July 15, 2014, 09:58:56 PM
The other thing with a lack of blistering pace is that you can pretty much rely on maintaining a career at the upper end of the league, as long as the technique and desire are there for much longer.

Look at the likes of Owen, who as soon as injuries started to take their toll was pretty much done for at the highest level.  He might have got contracts out of Newcastle, ManU sand Stoke, but he was pretty much a busted flush throughout that period.

He got a few goals for Ferguson coming on against tiring defences surrounded by players several levels above a good chunk of the opposition, but the days when he could pretty much win a game just by his threat to a back 4 were long gone.

Someone like Barry however, just keeps ticking over at pretty much the same level he has for the last 6-7 years.

The Carling Cup Final 2010 having been blotted from memory?

From recollection he didn't win the game by himself, and he was ably abetted for his goal by a Richard Dunne special.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: supertom on July 15, 2014, 10:11:24 PM
The other thing with a lack of blistering pace is that you can pretty much rely on maintaining a career at the upper end of the league, as long as the technique and desire are there for much longer.

Look at the likes of Owen, who as soon as injuries started to take their toll was pretty much done for at the highest level.  He might have got contracts out of Newcastle, ManU sand Stoke, but he was pretty much a busted flush throughout that period.

He got a few goals for Ferguson coming on against tiring defences surrounded by players several levels above a good chunk of the opposition, but the days when he could pretty much win a game just by his threat to a back 4 were long gone.

Someone like Barry however, just keeps ticking over at pretty much the same level he has for the last 6-7 years.

The Carling Cup Final 2010 having been blotted from memory?

From recollection he didn't win the game by himself, and he was ably abetted for his goal by a Richard Dunne special.
And did he not go off injured pretty much straight after?
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Villa in Denmark on July 15, 2014, 10:16:53 PM
The Carling Cup Final 2010 having been blotted from memory?

From recollection he didn't win the game by himself, and he was ably abetted for his goal by a Richard Dunne special.
And did he not go off injured pretty much straight after?

Subbed of just before half time and replaced by Rooney who eventually scored the winner.

Anyway if young master Grealish has got no pace to lose, it can't adversely affect his career as he approaches his 30s, assuming he has the career we hope awaits him.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: supertom on July 15, 2014, 10:38:00 PM
The Carling Cup Final 2010 having been blotted from memory?

From recollection he didn't win the game by himself, and he was ably abetted for his goal by a Richard Dunne special.
And did he not go off injured pretty much straight after?

Subbed of just before half time and replaced by Rooney who eventually scored the winner.

Anyway if young master Grealish has got no pace to lose, it can't adversely affect his career as he approaches his 30s, assuming he has the career we hope awaits him.
The main thing which will hold Grealish in good stead is his composure and the fact he appears to have a footballing brain too. He picks up space very well it seems. I'd like to see him get a good mixture of games for us, and loan to the championship next season.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Matt Collins on July 16, 2014, 07:12:17 AM
I'd put him on loan to the championship till Xmas and then see if he's ready

But may as well see how he fares in pre season
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: bartlett23 on July 16, 2014, 01:15:29 PM
I saw him smashed off his face at 4 in the morning the saturday before pre season started. Must have been a big session on the monday morning to sweat it out!
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 16, 2014, 01:43:49 PM
I saw him smashed off his face at 4 in the morning the saturday before pre season started. Must have been a big session on the monday morning to sweat it out!

maybe he's getting his last one in before knuckling down. Let's hope so. It would be so nice if all of our players took their health and fitness seriously all of the time during their short careers. There is a lot of promise in Grealish. He just has to make sure he is intelligent and dedicated enough to realise it.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on July 16, 2014, 09:56:09 PM
Scored tonight
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: silhillvilla on July 16, 2014, 09:58:50 PM
Scored tonight
She fit ?
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Olneythelonely on July 16, 2014, 10:58:00 PM
Edit - Ignore
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: ozzjim on July 17, 2014, 12:07:29 AM
I would throw him in this season. Good enough and all that. The fans need a hero and a young kid with a bit of swagger could be it. Lovely feet, clearly confident, give him a shot.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on July 17, 2014, 08:49:43 AM
Scored tonight
She fit ?

No bad
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Smirker on August 09, 2014, 04:51:24 PM
Was very good when he came on, we're going to see a lot of him in the first team this season I think.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: nigel on August 09, 2014, 04:54:39 PM
Looked good vs Parma.
Some neat touches
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 09, 2014, 05:02:12 PM
A very nice prospect indeed. I think he'll start next week.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: supertom on August 09, 2014, 05:04:46 PM
I'd chuck him in early season. He looks ready. He's an unknown quantity in the league and could surprise people. He just looks so composed in everything he does. Really does look the part. I think he looks our best prospect since Vassell. Someone who's a livewire with plenty of skill. Grealish has a good brain on him too.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: paul_e on August 09, 2014, 05:06:08 PM
The more i see of him the more I think we've unearthed a genuine star here, he's so good at throwing defenders off balance, he doesn't actually have to do anything fancy, he just sways past people, it's a skill you can't learn and will serve him brilliantly if he puts in the effort on the rest of his game.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 09, 2014, 05:07:11 PM
It's about time we threw someone in at the deep end. Jack hasn't looked fazed in any situation - give him a chance.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Ger Regan on August 09, 2014, 05:08:06 PM
I'd chuck him in early season. He looks ready. He's an unknown quantity in the league and could surprise people. He just looks so composed in everything he does. Really does look the part. I think he looks our best prospect since Vassell. Someone who's a livewire with plenty of skill. Grealish has a good brain on him too.
Whatever he's like now, Gabby's done an awful lot more in a villa shirt than vassell.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: supertom on August 09, 2014, 05:14:32 PM
I'd chuck him in early season. He looks ready. He's an unknown quantity in the league and could surprise people. He just looks so composed in everything he does. Really does look the part. I think he looks our best prospect since Vassell. Someone who's a livewire with plenty of skill. Grealish has a good brain on him too.
Whatever he's like now, Gabby's done an awful lot more in a villa shirt than vassell.
Gabby was exciting for his raw attributes and exceptional pace. But when Vassell was first breaking through, we saw a kid who looked electrifyingly quick but extremely skilfull on the ball to boot. I wholly agree in the long run, Gabby has done a lot more. Vassell really excited me though the first few times I saw him and given he was scoring for fun at youth and reserve level, I honestly thought we'd unearthed the next Michael Owen at that point.
In terms of natural ability though I'd put Gab behind Vass, Moore L and Fonz in terms of front men of the last decade plus coming through our academy.
But of course, talent doesn't always take you all the way.

I hope it does for Jack though.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: OCD on August 09, 2014, 05:41:29 PM
Jack will probably get more protection from referee's in the Premier League so he could be a real threat. We've struggled for invention for a long time so he definitely has to be involved. We need more though and N'Zogbia's can maybe do a job but he's not good enough to play a major role and who know's how much time Cole will be available.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: BoskoDjembaSalifou on August 09, 2014, 05:50:23 PM
I don't think he'll start vs Stoke, but I don't think it'll be long before he does. I just hope he plays like he did today 'cause I think we're gonna need it this season.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: claret and blue blood on August 09, 2014, 06:40:23 PM
Definate star in the making,get that contract sorted now Lambert!
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: jwarry on August 09, 2014, 06:49:49 PM
Best player Villa have produced since Sir Brian if you ask me
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 09, 2014, 06:51:51 PM
Best player Villa have produced since Sir Brian if you ask me

steady on
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 09, 2014, 06:52:31 PM
Best player Villa have produced since Sir Brian if you ask me

I wouldn't go that far but he looks the best at his age since Gareth Barry.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 09, 2014, 07:03:45 PM
Hopefully he can be a plus for this season.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: silhillvilla on August 09, 2014, 07:25:28 PM
Reminds me of Never Mind The Buzzcocks
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Ron Manager on August 09, 2014, 07:27:33 PM
Best not to get too excited. Young Jack does show signs of having something above the norm but so did Luke Moore and Stephen Cooke.

Lets give him some time.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Mister E on August 09, 2014, 07:32:48 PM
Is he Villa's version of Eden Hazard?
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Smirker on August 09, 2014, 07:33:28 PM
Agreed, don't want to get carried away. He is a player to possibly get excited about just hope he works as hard as he can and doesn't let it all get to his head.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 09, 2014, 08:12:48 PM
We have very little to lose by giving young jack a few games.  Nzogbia has been consistently average and Weimann/Gabby are not natural inside forwards.  Let's hope he can step up.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: nigel on August 09, 2014, 08:31:03 PM
I'd chuck him in early season. He looks ready. He's an unknown quantity in the league and could surprise people. He just looks so composed in everything he does. Really does look the part. I think he looks our best prospect since Vassell. Someone who's a livewire with plenty of skill. Grealish has a good brain on him too.

That's the key with Jack, Tom, many hot prospects, not just at Villa, have the talent but not the brain.
This prevents them from making the step up.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: mr woo on August 09, 2014, 09:12:18 PM
Best not to get too excited. Young Jack does show signs of having something above the norm but so did Luke Moore and Stephen Cooke.

Lets give him some time.

I agree its difficult to predict anything about a young player because so many things can affect their development but the two players you mention were never in this kids class. I think (cautiously) on the little I've seen, he could be the real deal. I can't remember the last player from our youth that I saw so much promise in.  Luke Moore always looked like a startled rabbit to me when he started playing with the big boys.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Clampy on August 09, 2014, 09:34:07 PM
Best not to get too excited. Young Jack does show signs of having something above the norm but so did Luke Moore and Stephen Cooke.

Lets give him some time.

I agree with the second line especially. Some of the abuse Bannan got because of a few mis-placed and ambitious passes was over the top. Grealish is going to have some poor games, it's inevitable because he's young. Let's help him along shall we?
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 09, 2014, 09:41:43 PM
Best not to get too excited. Young Jack does show signs of having something above the norm but so did Luke Moore and Stephen Cooke.

Lets give him some time.

I agree with the second line especially. Some of the abuse Bannan got because of a few mis-placed and ambitious passes was over the top. Grealish is going to have some poor games, it's inevitable because he's young. Let's help him along shall we?

true, but Bannan's off the field antics didn't help his cause either. Grealish is a ray of sun sneaking through gloomy clouds so I can understand the excitement. But let's not get too ahead of things here because none of us have seen him yet in proper PL level competition. We all hope he comes through as a real superstar because right now we really could do with one.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Clampy on August 09, 2014, 09:56:57 PM
Best not to get too excited. Young Jack does show signs of having something above the norm but so did Luke Moore and Stephen Cooke.

Lets give him some time.

I agree with the second line especially. Some of the abuse Bannan got because of a few mis-placed and ambitious passes was over the top. Grealish is going to have some poor games, it's inevitable because he's young. Let's help him along shall we?

true, but Bannan's off the field antics didn't help his cause either. Grealish is a ray of sun sneaking through gloomy clouds so I can understand the excitement. But let's not get too ahead of things here because none of us have seen him yet in proper PL level competition. We all hope he comes through as a real superstar because right now we really could do with one.

Maybe some of Bannan's off the field antics didn't help his cause but who knows, Grealish might go down the route. I hope not because he looks a hell of talent. I'm just saying he'll have bad games and poor spells. Let's not jump on his back when he does.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Archie on August 09, 2014, 10:06:30 PM
I have seen for the first time Jack at Como for the Gen Series, and I immediately thought that he had something abive the norm.
Even Carruthers seemed to be promising, by the way, even if not so good as Jack.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 09, 2014, 10:12:50 PM
Best not to get too excited. Young Jack does show signs of having something above the norm but so did Luke Moore and Stephen Cooke.

Lets give him some time.

I agree with the second line especially. Some of the abuse Bannan got because of a few mis-placed and ambitious passes was over the top. Grealish is going to have some poor games, it's inevitable because he's young. Let's help him along shall we?

true, but Bannan's off the field antics didn't help his cause either. Grealish is a ray of sun sneaking through gloomy clouds so I can understand the excitement. But let's not get too ahead of things here because none of us have seen him yet in proper PL level competition. We all hope he comes through as a real superstar because right now we really could do with one.

Maybe some of Bannan's off the field antics didn't help his cause but who knows, Grealish might go down the route. I hope not because he looks a hell of talent. I'm just saying he'll have bad games and poor spells. Let's not jump on his back when he does.

I completely agree with you Clamps. It's why we shouldn't get too excited until we see what he does over a sustained period of time. I do hope though that he gets to start next week as his overall play in pre-season has deserved it.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: garyshawsknee on August 09, 2014, 10:18:29 PM
I agree, he's been the spark in an otherwise flat summer.  He has something different to most of the squad. Id play him on Saturday.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: john2710 on August 09, 2014, 10:44:17 PM
He's got a long, long way to go, so let's not get carried away. The best players make the game look easy & make right decisions when they have the ball, when to pass, when to take a player on etc..  He looks a real talent & an intelligent footballer too. Reminds me of a young Chris Waddle.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: olaftab on August 09, 2014, 11:37:09 PM
I don't agree with let's not get too excited and other comments of similar ilk. Talent is talent and most of great footballers who have come through our system showed  it at a very young age. Jack impressed when he was 16 and at 18 years, he will be 19 next month, it's time to get on with it. There is no point is waiting. He needs to be in the team NOW.  Raheem Sterling, Luke Shaw etc are of similar age.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: supertom on August 09, 2014, 11:55:41 PM
I'm going to get excited. Fuck it. There's absolutely nothing else worth getting excited about at the club right now. He might make it, he might not, but at least there seems to be some genuine ability there. It's worth getting a little bit carried away.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: LTA on August 10, 2014, 12:42:54 AM
Looks the part and impressed with his attitude.

Maybe could with being a bit more selfish and going for glory, as opposed to laying off to a teammate to do it.

Last thing I want to see his him jinking past defender and playing a lovely pass through, only for dickheads like Agbonlahor and Wiemann to screw up.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: olaftab on August 10, 2014, 01:25:33 AM
OK Gabby and Andi might be a little short of where we want them to be but they are not dickheads.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 10, 2014, 01:50:00 AM
I very much agree with not getting carried away or too excited. Jack does look good though, he could be the new Messi!
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Olneythelonely on August 10, 2014, 07:29:05 AM
I agree with not getting carried away. But I reckon he's like a young Maradona.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: nigel on August 10, 2014, 09:16:31 AM
Best player Villa have produced since Sir Brian if you ask me

Mark Walters is certainly amongst the most talented we've produced.
Brian Little is a stand alone 1st place, though.

As Dave W say's, Jack doesn't seem to be fazed, so give him a go.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: john2710 on August 10, 2014, 09:26:59 AM
Walters was a wonderfully talented footballer, even today when you see him playing in those 5 a-side masters games he's a class apart. If Jack gets anywhere near his level he'll be a real asset.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: LTA on August 10, 2014, 10:48:21 AM
OK Gabby and Andi might be a little short of where we want them to be but they are not dickheads.

OK.  Dickheads. Is probably OTT, so I'll retract that.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 10, 2014, 11:02:12 AM
Not sure Stoke away is the game for him really, they'll kick him early on and he'll disappear.

If we were playing at home next week I'd start him so yes to start v Newcastle as no doubt our "attacking" players will be bobbins next week.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Gregorys Boy on August 10, 2014, 11:05:01 AM
Not sure Stoke away is the game for him really, they'll kick him early on and he'll disappear.

If we were playing at home next week I'd start him so yes to start v Newcastle as no doubt our "attacking" players will be bobbins next week.

This.  I think we need to be careful because friendlies are totally different from league matches.  But if used in the right games, and here and then as a sub then I could see this as a positve for both him and Villa.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: paul_e on August 10, 2014, 12:22:51 PM
Not sure Stoke away is the game for him really, they'll kick him early on and he'll disappear.

If we were playing at home next week I'd start him so yes to start v Newcastle as no doubt our "attacking" players will be bobbins next week.

e spent last season getting kicked and then getting up and carrying on, he'll get more protection in the premier league so I think the idea that he'll "disappear" is just lazy, there's no evidence that being roughed up upsets him.

Some players need to be eased into things, some just need to be given a chance, for me Grealish is one of the latter and needs to just be given game time now, and not just a few minutes here and there.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Olneythelonely on August 10, 2014, 12:26:59 PM
I think it's the perfect game to throw him in. He'll win us loads of free kicks and with our lack our lack of firepower at the moment, set pieces may provide out best scoring opportunities.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 10, 2014, 12:36:08 PM
I think a fair few posters are a bit out of date with regards to Stoke.  I'm not saying Hughes is some sort of total-football visionary but they're no longer quite so Pulis.  Their new signing Bojan is a good example of this and even Stephen Ireland who played a fair bit last season.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Chris Smith on August 10, 2014, 12:40:02 PM
I think it's the perfect game to throw him in. He'll win us loads of free kicks and with our lack our lack of firepower at the moment, set pieces may provide out best scoring opportunities.

If he is thrown in it is a statement that will put added pressure on him. Much better, in my view, to give him a couple of sub appearances and for him then to demonstrate that he deserves the start.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: olaftab on August 10, 2014, 12:48:57 PM
I think a fair few posters are a bit out of date with regards to Stoke.  I'm not saying Hughes is some sort of total-football visionary but they're no longer quite so Pulis.  Their new signing Bojan is a good example of this and even Stephen Ireland who played a fair bit last season.
I was thinking this however then I remembered gorillas like Walters still play for them.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: AlwaysAVFC on August 10, 2014, 03:01:05 PM
I think a fair few posters are a bit out of date with regards to Stoke.  I'm not saying Hughes is some sort of total-football visionary but they're no longer quite so Pulis.  Their new signing Bojan is a good example of this and even Stephen Ireland who played a fair bit last season.

They also completely played us of the park back in March apart from the first 15 mins. Although not many didn't last season and may just highlight how we fall apart when we concede one rather than The new stoke.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 10, 2014, 03:06:57 PM
Stoke were just as snidey a bunch of players as ever at VP. They may play a bit more football now and then and not make a throw-in a theatrical event, but they are still dirty feckers when they want to be.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Olneythelonely on August 10, 2014, 04:18:38 PM
I think it's the perfect game to throw him in. He'll win us loads of free kicks and with our lack our lack of firepower at the moment, set pieces may provide out best scoring opportunities.

If he is thrown in it is a statement that will put added pressure on him. Much better, in my view, to give him a couple of sub appearances and for him then to demonstrate that he deserves the start.

You have a point. I'm not sure which way I'd go actually. He's certainly ready to take some part though.

Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 10, 2014, 05:45:21 PM
If he's good enough then he should be given a go from the beginning. He's been given a squad number so we shouldn't be afraid to throw him in. Rather that than give an inferior performer a starting position because it seems the right thing to do. The right thing to do is reward performance and take advantage of confidence and he has both.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: berneboy on August 10, 2014, 05:52:49 PM
I enjoyed watching JG yesterday. He is still very young and looks as light as a feather but he has the ability to frighten teams. I thought Parma stsrted taking him seriously very quickly.

The ball seems 'tied to his bootlaces' and he has confidence and the ability to turn a game. I think we need him to bring some hope to our team which badly lacks creativity.

I think, in fairness to young Jack, that he should come on regularly as a sub. He deserves to be treasured and nurtured.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: villan from luton on August 10, 2014, 06:17:36 PM
He looks a talented lad. Why not give him a chance? As for being kicked out of the game, he was being kicked all over the place last season from what I have read, but never flinched and carried on. He offers something different and seems a lad who will create chances
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Chris Smith on August 10, 2014, 06:30:17 PM
If he's good enough then he should be given a go from the beginning. He's been given a squad number so we shouldn't be afraid to throw him in. Rather that than give an inferior performer a starting position because it seems the right thing to do. The right thing to do is reward performance and take advantage of confidence and he has both.

I have seen it too often though, young player is lauded at the start then later has a couple of iffy games, as he surely will, the crowd get on his back and his confidence is knocked. Of course he might be that rare exception who takes it all in his stride but it is impossible to know until it happens and is why young players tend to get eased in gradually.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 10, 2014, 07:15:25 PM
If he's good enough then he should be given a go from the beginning. He's been given a squad number so we shouldn't be afraid to throw him in. Rather that than give an inferior performer a starting position because it seems the right thing to do. The right thing to do is reward performance and take advantage of confidence and he has both.

I have seen it too often though, young player is lauded at the start then later has a couple of iffy games, as he surely will, the crowd get on his back and his confidence is knocked. Of course he might be that rare exception who takes it all in his stride but it is impossible to know until it happens and is why young players tend to get eased in gradually.

It's a tough one. What about the alternative where we ease him in, results go poorly and there is a clamour to get him in? Then he comes into a side in a losing situation with even more pressure on him. In an ideal world you can ease him in because we are a top side with great depth and we can afford to do it that way. We're not so there is the other pressure of giving his opportunity now.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: supertom on August 10, 2014, 07:26:25 PM
If he's good enough then he should be given a go from the beginning. He's been given a squad number so we shouldn't be afraid to throw him in. Rather that than give an inferior performer a starting position because it seems the right thing to do. The right thing to do is reward performance and take advantage of confidence and he has both.

I have seen it too often though, young player is lauded at the start then later has a couple of iffy games, as he surely will, the crowd get on his back and his confidence is knocked. Of course he might be that rare exception who takes it all in his stride but it is impossible to know until it happens and is why young players tend to get eased in gradually.
Generally we give our youngsters a lot of leighway. Certainly more than our signings. I know Baker gets a lot of stick now, but he's now a player who's played maybe 70-80 games for the club in all competitions. Clarky, the more talented CH of course, we'd been waiting on for quite some time and he seemed the natural successor to Cahill (where-as Baker perhaps the new Ridgewell). We've been pretty patient with Clark generally I think, because there's just that bit more talent about him and expectation I suppose.

I think in terms of Grealish though there's a genuine sense of someone with a lot of ability. He's also got the added benefit of being an attacker and thus potentially the show stealer. He just has to take his chance, do his best and try and stand out. I think he'll get 30-40 games of leighway. After that, if he starts drifting into Bannan territory, that's when some fans might start losing patience with him, but that's part and parcel of the game. If you wanna make it, you gotta take it.

I think he'll cut the mustard. He doesn't seem to get fazed. As someone said, the ball looks like it's glued to his laces and he seems to have a  footballing brain which could be the biggest gift in his arsenal.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: paul_e on August 10, 2014, 07:40:28 PM
If he's good enough then he should be given a go from the beginning. He's been given a squad number so we shouldn't be afraid to throw him in. Rather that than give an inferior performer a starting position because it seems the right thing to do. The right thing to do is reward performance and take advantage of confidence and he has both.

I have seen it too often though, young player is lauded at the start then later has a couple of iffy games, as he surely will, the crowd get on his back and his confidence is knocked. Of course he might be that rare exception who takes it all in his stride but it is impossible to know until it happens and is why young players tend to get eased in gradually.

It's a tough one. What about the alternative where we ease him in, results go poorly and there is a clamour to get him in? Then he comes into a side in a losing situation with even more pressure on him. In an ideal world you can ease him in because we are a top side with great depth and we can afford to do it that way. We're not so there is the other pressure of giving his opportunity now.

The other alternative is that we give him a few minutes here and there but largely ifgnore him until he's 21-22 and then write him off as too old to make the breakthrough and be a star.  If he was a 16 year old I'd agree with the caution but he's 19 and as looked ready in every environment he's experienced, we won't know any more until he plays in the premier league, so why hold him back now?  This summer he has looked our best creative midfielder so on form he needs to be played, no other concerns so overrule that, or you run the risk of making him think he's better off finding a club were he will play, much like the last of our youngster who turned out to be top 6 quality.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: villan from luton on August 10, 2014, 07:45:52 PM
If he's good enough then he should be given a go from the beginning. He's been given a squad number so we shouldn't be afraid to throw him in. Rather that than give an inferior performer a starting position because it seems the right thing to do. The right thing to do is reward performance and take advantage of confidence and he has both.

I have seen it too often though, young player is lauded at the start then later has a couple of iffy games, as he surely will, the crowd get on his back and his confidence is knocked. Of course he might be that rare exception who takes it all in his stride but it is impossible to know until it happens and is why young players tend to get eased in gradually.

Do you really think that, what young local players would you say have been treated like that>
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Ron Manager on August 10, 2014, 07:49:14 PM
I think Lambert will throw him in as the defensive midfielder we all crave for. And Keane will tell him to tackle everything that moves!
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Chris Smith on August 10, 2014, 08:07:21 PM
If he's good enough then he should be given a go from the beginning. He's been given a squad number so we shouldn't be afraid to throw him in. Rather that than give an inferior performer a starting position because it seems the right thing to do. The right thing to do is reward performance and take advantage of confidence and he has both.

I have seen it too often though, young player is lauded at the start then later has a couple of iffy games, as he surely will, the crowd get on his back and his confidence is knocked. Of course he might be that rare exception who takes it all in his stride but it is impossible to know until it happens and is why young players tend to get eased in gradually.

Do you really think that, what young local players would you say have been treated like that>

Pretty much the whole squad has been treated like that at one time or another in recent years, understandably so given results. I just have worries that if the team is struggling and he is part of it then he gets tarred with the same brush. Perhaps I am being over cautious and he has the character to deal with it but if he is as good as everyone suggests then we need to allow him to develop without loading unrealistic expectations on his shoulders which might be the case if he is just thrown in at the deep end. I am sure the coaches will advise accordingly.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 10, 2014, 08:26:32 PM
Thing is Chris, next Saturday the team isn't struggling. We have the same points as everyone so it would be a great time to give him a shot.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Ryu on August 10, 2014, 08:30:14 PM
If he's good enough then he should be given a go from the beginning. He's been given a squad number so we shouldn't be afraid to throw him in. Rather that than give an inferior performer a starting position because it seems the right thing to do. The right thing to do is reward performance and take advantage of confidence and he has both.

I have seen it too often though, young player is lauded at the start then later has a couple of iffy games, as he surely will, the crowd get on his back and his confidence is knocked. Of course he might be that rare exception who takes it all in his stride but it is impossible to know until it happens and is why young players tend to get eased in gradually.

Do you really think that, what young local players would you say have been treated like that>

Pretty much the whole squad has been treated like that at one time or another in recent years, understandably so given results. I just have worries that if the team is struggling and he is part of it then he gets tarred with the same brush. Perhaps I am being over cautious and he has the character to deal with it but if he is as good as everyone suggests then we need to allow him to develop without loading unrealistic expectations on his shoulders which might be the case if he is just thrown in at the deep end. I am sure the coaches will advise accordingly.

Gabby, Baker, Delfouenso are all local and taken stick.  Ridgewell, Jlloyd Samuel, Bannann and probably more I can't think of right now aren't local but came through the academy and some of those have been real scapegoats/hate figures.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: saunders_heroes on August 10, 2014, 08:31:33 PM
Thing is Chris, next Saturday the team isn't struggling. We have the same points as everyone so it would be a great time to give him a shot.

Never thought of it like that. Yeah good idea, chuck him in.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: john2710 on August 10, 2014, 08:31:45 PM
Whatever about his talent & our need for quality, it's still a huge ask for someone to step up to Premiership level overnight. The odd 30 minutes here & there would be the ideal way of bedding him in. In our current state we may need something sooner rather than later but I would expect the starting position to be one of cautious development.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 10, 2014, 08:32:18 PM
I'd chuck him in because the crowd will need to be lifted next weekend and it could be just the thing.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Ryu on August 10, 2014, 08:34:35 PM
Thing is Chris, next Saturday the team isn't struggling. We have the same points as everyone so it would be a great time to give him a shot.

Never thought of it like that. Yeah good idea, chuck him in.

Thing is with the kid Grealish is that he really is that, a kid.  I'd love to see him thrown on for the last 10 or 15 minutes on the opening day but I don't want to see him hobbling around after getting cut in half by someone like Robert Huth, who must have 5 stone on him.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: silhillvilla on August 10, 2014, 08:38:02 PM
I'd throw him in at the deep end. He strikes me as someone who will thrive and rise to the challenge. I'd also make sure his contract is a long one.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 10, 2014, 08:39:08 PM
I wouldn't be starting him yet, i'd prefer us to ease him in to things. He doesn't turn 19 for another month.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: nodge on August 10, 2014, 08:45:42 PM
Thing is Chris, next Saturday the team isn't struggling. We have the same points as everyone so it would be a great time to give him a shot.

Never thought of it like that. Yeah good idea, chuck him in.

Thing is with the kid Grealish is that he really is that, a kid.  I'd love to see him thrown on for the last 10 or 15 minutes on the opening day but I don't want to see him hobbling around after getting cut in half by someone like Robert Huth, who must have 5 stone on him.

Gordon Cowans used to get kicked up in the air by people who'd have had Robert Huth for breakfast, and everybody had 5 stone on Sid even when he was fully grown. If he's good enough he'll get up and get on with it and you get a lot more protection from refs nowadays.  I'd much rather he was given a chance against Stoke than throw him on against Man City when we're getting tonked and Toure's running riot like last season.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: silhillvilla on August 10, 2014, 08:49:18 PM
I wouldn't be starting him yet, i'd prefer us to ease him in to things. He doesn't turn 19 for another month.
Age shouldn't come into it.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 10, 2014, 08:54:25 PM
We always look at other teams when they have young, exciting talent and wonders where's ours? Why didn't we take risk or simply show faith? Here's our chance. If he's ready he'll show it. It will be a tremendous boost for him personally and for the fans.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 10, 2014, 08:58:27 PM
I wouldn't be starting him yet, i'd prefer us to ease him in to things. He doesn't turn 19 for another month.
Age shouldn't come into it.

Overplaying youngsters does though.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: silhillvilla on August 10, 2014, 09:01:01 PM
I wouldn't be starting him yet, i'd prefer us to ease him in to things. He doesn't turn 19 for another month.
Age shouldn't come into it.

Overplaying youngsters does though.
As does underplaying them.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 10, 2014, 09:02:00 PM
If you're good enough you're old enough and this particularly applies in our squad where it's not like we're blessed with great talents.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 10, 2014, 09:03:52 PM
I wouldn't be starting him yet, i'd prefer us to ease him in to things. He doesn't turn 19 for another month.
Age shouldn't come into it.

Overplaying youngsters does though.
As does underplaying them.

I said ease him in, I didn't say never play him. There is a difference you know. I'd also bet that more players have their careers fucked by being overplayed from their teens than do by being eased into a first team.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: silhillvilla on August 10, 2014, 09:07:33 PM
I wouldn't be starting him yet, i'd prefer us to ease him in to things. He doesn't turn 19 for another month.
Age shouldn't come into it.

Overplaying youngsters does though.
As does underplaying them.

I said ease him in, I didn't say never play him. There is a difference you know. I'd also bet that more players have their careers fucked by being overplayed from their teens than do by being eased into a first team.
For god sake just play the lad. We have zero creativity and he's what we need. How's he going to learn ? By playing a bit part ? By going to Div 3 on loan again ? No. Play him. Let's see what he can do.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 10, 2014, 09:10:25 PM
I never said send him out on loan either.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: paul_e on August 10, 2014, 09:19:38 PM
The thing is, if you ignore the ages of the players and the reputations and just watch our friendlies he's clearly the most dangerous creative player in the squad.  Protecting a youngster is all well and good and is something we need to be aware of but I'd rather we worry about that when/if he needs a break in a couple of months.

I might not start him against Stoke but I'd be looking at him getting at least half an hour.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: aj2k77 on August 10, 2014, 09:25:40 PM
There's no point giving this lad 10 minutes here and 15 minutes there, we normally aren't in a position to throw a late sub on with a game comfortable either. So with that in mind i'd just give him a go, like Everton did with Barkley last year. There's no need for him to play every game and we have Joe Cole to alternate with him but I say give him a shot.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 10, 2014, 09:27:54 PM
I've seen lots of genuine talent emerge from our youth team over the years but the only one I've ever thought was overplayed was Gareth Barry, who was flogged to death by John Gregory in his first season and took a couple of years to get over it. 
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: silhillvilla on August 10, 2014, 09:28:58 PM
Throwing him on when we're say 0-2 down and giving him 20 mins is totally pointless. Play him from the off, give him a run and assess again in say October. If he needs a break then, give him a break.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: London Villan on August 10, 2014, 09:48:29 PM
Tell him he is going to be involved in the first ten games, starting at least 5... takes the pressure off him a bit and as he knows he's in the squad boosts his confidence. Also gives PL the chance to change things as required.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: LeeB on August 10, 2014, 09:59:46 PM
If he started on Saturday, whatever happens he'll be better than Stephen Fucking Ireland ever was for us.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 10, 2014, 10:04:21 PM
There's no point giving this lad 10 minutes here and 15 minutes there, we normally aren't in a position to throw a late sub on with a game comfortable either. So with that in mind i'd just give him a go, like Everton did with Barkley last year. There's no need for him to play every game and we have Joe Cole to alternate with him but I say give him a shot.

Barkley made his Everton debut in 2011 with loan spells after that.  It's not like he came from nowhere last season.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 10, 2014, 10:06:35 PM
I think the overplaying thing is a valid point.

I don't know why, but I always remember when Ryan Giggs was emerging as a kid, the press were salivating over him, but Ferguson used him sparingly to start with and said it was to protect him and help him get the most out of his career. I used to recall that when seeing him still playing aged 65 (or whatever he is).

Having said that, we're shit in midfield, and Grealish seems both very good and not troubled by a lack of confidence, so I'd use him from the start.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: supertom on August 10, 2014, 10:13:13 PM
I think a major point is the fact that we're going to be light in attack early season. If there's ever a time to throw Jack in, it's now. Let him start the season getting significant playing time. See how he copes with it. Once Benteke and Kozak are back and get into full swing, we can then, if necessary, rest him to avoid burnout.

I do think we need a bit of positivity at the start of the season. We need a few players we can really get behind, who might be able to lighten up turgid games. Jack could be that. However it transpires for us, and him, it'll still be a great learning experience for him.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 10, 2014, 10:14:31 PM
I've seen lots of genuine talent emerge from our youth team over the years but the only one I've ever thought was overplayed was Gareth Barry, who was flogged to death by John Gregory in his first season and took a couple of years to get over it. 

We'll probably never know how much being played too often at a young age affected Olney, Shaw, Little, Leonard, Froggatt, that other lad from the 70s who was in the first team at 15 and finished by 20 (Brown?), Daley finished at 27 and so on. Even how much it has affected Gabby considering how he has regressed.

I want Grealish to have his chance, but also want him to fulfill his potential and be playing for us for years to come.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 10, 2014, 10:18:28 PM
I've seen lots of genuine talent emerge from our youth team over the years but the only one I've ever thought was overplayed was Gareth Barry, who was flogged to death by John Gregory in his first season and took a couple of years to get over it. 

We'll probably never know how much being played too often at a young age affected Olney, Shaw, Little, Leonard, Froggatt, that other lad from the 70s who was in the first team at 15 and finished by 20 (Brown?), Daley finished at 27 and so on. Even how much it has affected Gabby considering how he has regressed.

I want Grealish to have his chance, but also want him to fulfill his potential and be playing for us for years to come.

Isn't it the case with a few of those players you mentioned that their careers were ended by injury rather than them fizzling out through over-exposure? Certainly Froggatt, Leonard, Little and Shaw ended that way. I don't know if playing too much games as a youth would have contributed to the injuries, but I doubt it.

Slight tangent, but wasn't Andy Gray always bitter over the fact that when he played for us and was carrying injuries, we insisted on pumping him full of cortisone and getting him to play through it?
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: silhillvilla on August 10, 2014, 10:19:35 PM
I think the overplaying thing is a valid point.

I don't know why, but I always remember when Ryan Giggs was emerging as a kid, the press were salivating over him, but Ferguson used him sparingly to start with and said it was to protect him and help him get the most out of his career. I used to recall that when seeing him still playing aged 65 (or whatever he is).

Having said that, we're shit in midfield, and Grealish seems both very good and not troubled by a lack of confidence, so I'd use him from the start.
Erm Giggs was a Yanited regular at 18.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Villan For Life on August 10, 2014, 10:26:23 PM
For every "protected" young player there's someone like Rooney who was a first team regular for Everton by the time he was 18. If he's good enough then he's old enough.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 10, 2014, 10:26:44 PM
I've seen lots of genuine talent emerge from our youth team over the years but the only one I've ever thought was overplayed was Gareth Barry, who was flogged to death by John Gregory in his first season and took a couple of years to get over it. 

We'll probably never know how much being played too often at a young age affected Olney, Shaw, Little, Leonard, Froggatt, that other lad from the 70s who was in the first team at 15 and finished by 20 (Brown?), Daley finished at 27 and so on. Even how much it has affected Gabby considering how he has regressed.

I want Grealish to have his chance, but also want him to fulfill his potential and be playing for us for years to come.

Isn't it the case with a few of those players you mentioned that their careers were ended by injury rather than them fizzling out through over-exposure? Certainly Froggatt, Leonard, Little and Shaw ended that way. I don't know if playing too much games as a youth would have contributed to the injuries, but I doubt it.

Slight tangent, but wasn't Andy Gray always bitter over the fact that when he played for us and was carrying injuries, we insisted on pumping him full of cortisone and getting him to play through it?

My point is we don't know how much being overplayed could have contributed to them getting the longterm injuries.
Maybe it's just a coincidence how many of our genuine 'bright young things' who were playing from a young age were finished by 30, i'm just wary of it happening again to another player who does seem to have the potential to be the real deal.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 10, 2014, 10:27:30 PM
For every "protected" young player there's someone like Rooney who was a first team regular for Everton by the time he was 18. If he's good enough then he's old enough.

The same Rooney who looks a shadow of the player he was in his early 20s?
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 10, 2014, 10:28:31 PM
I think the overplaying thing is a valid point.

I don't know why, but I always remember when Ryan Giggs was emerging as a kid, the press were salivating over him, but Ferguson used him sparingly to start with and said it was to protect him and help him get the most out of his career. I used to recall that when seeing him still playing aged 65 (or whatever he is).

Having said that, we're shit in midfield, and Grealish seems both very good and not troubled by a lack of confidence, so I'd use him from the start.
Erm Giggs was a Yanited regular at 18.

No he wasn't.

Born 1973, turned 18 in the 91-92 season.

91-92 - 1 appearance
92-93 - 13 appearances
93-94 - 10 appearances
94-95 - 1 appearance

His breakthrough was the 95-96 season, when he was 22.

The clamour for Giggs to play more had started well before then, though.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 10, 2014, 10:30:46 PM
I've seen lots of genuine talent emerge from our youth team over the years but the only one I've ever thought was overplayed was Gareth Barry, who was flogged to death by John Gregory in his first season and took a couple of years to get over it. 

We'll probably never know how much being played too often at a young age affected Olney, Shaw, Little, Leonard, Froggatt, that other lad from the 70s who was in the first team at 15 and finished by 20 (Brown?), Daley finished at 27 and so on. Even how much it has affected Gabby considering how he has regressed.

I want Grealish to have his chance, but also want him to fulfill his potential and be playing for us for years to come.

Isn't it the case with a few of those players you mentioned that their careers were ended by injury rather than them fizzling out through over-exposure? Certainly Froggatt, Leonard, Little and Shaw ended that way. I don't know if playing too much games as a youth would have contributed to the injuries, but I doubt it.

Slight tangent, but wasn't Andy Gray always bitter over the fact that when he played for us and was carrying injuries, we insisted on pumping him full of cortisone and getting him to play through it?

My point is we don't know how much being overplayed could have contributed to them getting the longterm injuries.
Maybe it's just a coincidence how many of our genuine 'bright young things' who were playing from a young age were finished by 30, i'm just wary of it happening again to another player who does seem to have the potential to be the real deal.

Not too much, I dont think, certainly Shaw, Leonard and Froggatt were finished by specific event-based injuries rather than long term problems due to over-playing.

i do think there's a definite thing to consider mentally, though. In fact, I wonder how some of the young players who did well for us in Lambert's first season were affected by being over used that year.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: silhillvilla on August 10, 2014, 10:31:17 PM
Giggs played 38 league games 91/92.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: silhillvilla on August 10, 2014, 10:39:19 PM
Then 41 the season after
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 10, 2014, 10:48:32 PM
aren't we talking about playing him at Stoke? Overexposure would be playing him too often this season. I want him to play this weekend because he deserves it. I would hope that if he plays well he can keep his spot within reason, and that the management team ensure he doesn't get burnt out. He offers something different, as does N'Zogbia which is why I'd want to see both of them be part of an attacking set up at the weekend.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Villan For Life on August 10, 2014, 10:51:33 PM
For every "protected" young player there's someone like Rooney who was a first team regular for Everton by the time he was 18. If he's good enough then he's old enough.

The same Rooney who looks a shadow of the player he was in his early 20s?

And that is because he was playing first team football at 18?
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: silhillvilla on August 10, 2014, 10:53:21 PM
For every "protected" young player there's someone like Rooney who was a first team regular for Everton by the time he was 18. If he's good enough then he's old enough.

The same Rooney who looks a shadow of the player he was in his early 20s?

And that is because he was playing first team football at 18?
40 fags a day probably not helping
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 10, 2014, 10:55:58 PM
For every "protected" young player there's someone like Rooney who was a first team regular for Everton by the time he was 18. If he's good enough then he's old enough.

The same Rooney who looks a shadow of the player he was in his early 20s?

And that is because he was playing first team football at 18?

that might have something to do with it. Also smoking, not watching his weight, his overall lifestyle and conduct have had an affect. I think Ferguson handled him quite well, but then again, as one of my earlier points, you can do that more readily at a top club because of the quality of the other players. It's a bit more challenging to do that at a club like ours where he could be one of the better players. It's a lot like Benteke. He was superb and became critical to our survival. In a perfect world we would have rested him a bit more than we did in his first season. We just couldn't afford to.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 10, 2014, 10:58:42 PM
Giggs played 38 league games 91/92.

Not for Man United he didn't.

Where are you getting those figures?

EDIT ah, it's shonky figures on soccerbase not having line ups for earlier seasons, but the point remains, there was clamour for Ferguson to play Giggs from the age of about 16, but he didn't, and used to frequently talk about using him sparingly.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 10, 2014, 11:01:15 PM
For every "protected" young player there's someone like Rooney who was a first team regular for Everton by the time he was 18. If he's good enough then he's old enough.

The same Rooney who looks a shadow of the player he was in his early 20s?

And that is because he was playing first team football at 18?

Can you guarantee it isn't? He's 28, played over 600 first team games and looks a shadow of the player he was. He should be at his peak now, but looks less of a player than he did when he was 21. When you look at the number of players who burst onto the scene in their teens and are fucked before they are 30, it makes me wonder if it is more than coincidence.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: silhillvilla on August 10, 2014, 11:03:05 PM
Giggs played 38 league games 91/92.

Not for Man United he didn't.

Where are you getting those figures?
Yep for Yanited.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 10, 2014, 11:03:28 PM
Giggs played 38 league games 91/92.

Not for Man United he didn't.

Where are you getting those figures?

They are the numbers on Wiki as I had a look.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Villan For Life on August 10, 2014, 11:03:43 PM
For every "protected" young player there's someone like Rooney who was a first team regular for Everton by the time he was 18. If he's good enough then he's old enough.

The same Rooney who looks a shadow of the player he was in his early 20s?

And that is because he was playing first team football at 18?

that might have something to do with it. Also smoking, not watching his weight, his overall lifestyle and conduct have had an affect. I think Ferguson handled him quite well, but then again, as one of my earlier points, you can do that more readily at a top club because of the quality of the other players. It's a bit more challenging to do that at a club like ours where he could be one of the better players. It's a lot like Benteke. He was superb and became critical to our survival. In a perfect world we would have rested him a bit more than we did in his first season. We just couldn't afford to.

I think the level of expectation/hype generated about him as the saviour of English football has a lot to do with the general perception of Rooney as an underachiever today.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Villan For Life on August 10, 2014, 11:04:36 PM
For every "protected" young player there's someone like Rooney who was a first team regular for Everton by the time he was 18. If he's good enough then he's old enough.

The same Rooney who looks a shadow of the player he was in his early 20s?

And that is because he was playing first team football at 18?

Can you guarantee it isn't? He's 28, played over 600 first team games and looks a shadow of the player he was. He should be at his peak now, but looks less of a player than he did when he was 21. When you look at the number of players who burst onto the scene in their teens and are fucked before they are 30, it makes me wonder if it is more than coincidence.

No I can't in the same way that you can't say that it is.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 10, 2014, 11:05:06 PM
For every "protected" young player there's someone like Rooney who was a first team regular for Everton by the time he was 18. If he's good enough then he's old enough.

The same Rooney who looks a shadow of the player he was in his early 20s?

And that is because he was playing first team football at 18?

Can you guarantee it isn't? He's 28, played over 600 first team games and looks a shadow of the player he was. He should be at his peak now, but looks less of a player than he did when he was 21. When you look at the number of players who burst onto the scene in their teens and are fucked before they are 30, it makes me wonder if it is more than coincidence.

Slightly veering off topic, but i saw something on twitter over the summer which was a side by side comparison of Rooney and Ronaldo with shirts off. Ronaldo looked like a finely honed athlete. Rooney looked like a semi-serious Sunday league player.

I can't help thinking that part of the problem with Rooney is that his attitude doesn't match up to his natural skill. I also wonder whether he's just been in the comfort zone at United for too long now.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 10, 2014, 11:06:04 PM
Giggs played 38 league games 91/92.

Not for Man United he didn't.

Where are you getting those figures?

They are the numbers on Wiki as I had a look.

That would include sub appearances.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 10, 2014, 11:10:09 PM
For every "protected" young player there's someone like Rooney who was a first team regular for Everton by the time he was 18. If he's good enough then he's old enough.

The same Rooney who looks a shadow of the player he was in his early 20s?

And that is because he was playing first team football at 18?

Can you guarantee it isn't? He's 28, played over 600 first team games and looks a shadow of the player he was. He should be at his peak now, but looks less of a player than he did when he was 21. When you look at the number of players who burst onto the scene in their teens and are fucked before they are 30, it makes me wonder if it is more than coincidence.

No I can't in the same way that you can't say that it is.

I haven't said it was for a fact. I have said that it seems a coincidence though. Maybe it is also a coincidence that at 28 Rooney doesn't look as good a player as he did at 20, 21, 22, 23.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Villan For Life on August 10, 2014, 11:12:01 PM
For every "protected" young player there's someone like Rooney who was a first team regular for Everton by the time he was 18. If he's good enough then he's old enough.

The same Rooney who looks a shadow of the player he was in his early 20s?

And that is because he was playing first team football at 18?

Can you guarantee it isn't? He's 28, played over 600 first team games and looks a shadow of the player he was. He should be at his peak now, but looks less of a player than he did when he was 21. When you look at the number of players who burst onto the scene in their teens and are fucked before they are 30, it makes me wonder if it is more than coincidence.

No I can't in the same way that you can't say that it is.

I haven't said it was for a fact. I have said that it seems a coincidence though. Maybe it is also a coincidence that at 28 Rooney doesn't look as good a player as he did at 20, 21, 22, 23.

I agree that he's underachieved but that perception comes from the way he was over-hyped as a teenage prodigy.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 10, 2014, 11:14:26 PM
When you see those things in papers about footballers being caught smoking etc, I usually find myself thinking, big deal, they must be able to keep that sort of behaviour in context - ie they're having a crafty fag on holiday, they're not getting through three lighters a day.

But then again, I look at players like Jack Wilshere (also a subject of these stories) and I wonder if it says something about his attitude. We've been told for three or four years now that Wilshere is amazing, he's the future, he could get into that brilliant Barcelona side, all that stuff, but he just doesn't seem to have moved on.

If he's that good, and he's playing in a side packed with talented footballers, shouldn't we be seeing more of it?

I know Wilshere has had injury problems, but I wonder if part of the reason we are not seeing what we thought we would from him is to do with mentality, mentality including little things like having the odd fag.

I don't think him smoking sometimes explains why he hasn't fulfilled his potential, I just wonder if it offers a hint to the reason why he hasn't.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 10, 2014, 11:15:28 PM
My view of it comes from he doesn't look as good as he was. Nothing to do with potential, I don't think he is as good a player now as he was 6, 7, 8 years ago. For clarity, all imo of course.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: silhillvilla on August 10, 2014, 11:18:48 PM
I think the overplaying thing is a valid point.

I don't know why, but I always remember when Ryan Giggs was emerging as a kid, the press were salivating over him, but Ferguson used him sparingly to start with and said it was to protect him and help him get the most out of his career. I used to recall that when seeing him still playing aged 65 (or whatever he is).

Having said that, we're shit in midfield, and Grealish seems both very good and not troubled by a lack of confidence, so I'd use him from the start.
Erm Giggs was a Yanited regular at 18.

Born 1973, turned 18 in the 91-92 season.

91-92 - 1 appearance
92-93 - 13 appearances
93-94 - 10 appearances
94-95 - 1 appearance

His breakthrough was the 95-96 season, when he was 22.

Where you got those stats from ?
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 10, 2014, 11:21:54 PM
When you see those things in papers about footballers being caught smoking etc, I usually find myself thinking, big deal, they must be able to keep that sort of behaviour in context - ie they're having a crafty fag on holiday, they're not getting through three lighters a day.

But then again, I look at players like Jack Wilshere (also a subject of these stories) and I wonder if it says something about his attitude. We've been told for three or four years now that Wilshere is amazing, he's the future, he could get into that brilliant Barcelona side, all that stuff, but he just doesn't seem to have moved on.

If he's that good, and he's playing in a side packed with talented footballers, shouldn't we be seeing more of it?

I know Wilshere has had injury problems, but I wonder if part of the reason we are not seeing what we thought we would from him is to do with mentality, mentality including little things like having the odd fag.

I don't think him smoking sometimes explains why he hasn't fulfilled his potential, I just wonder if it offers a hint to the reason why he hasn't.

A big piece of why anybody is good at anything is their attitude to their natural talent. Natural talent still needs to be managed correctly or it just becomes wasted. Or at least never reaches the heights it could have with the right application. When I look at Gareth Bale, he's a naturally talented football that had the right attitude to work hard and come through a very difficult period in his early career to be amongst the best players in the world. Not everyone has that. Jack Wilshere is very good, but he'll never reach his full potential because of things like smoking. It's only a glimpse into who he is because it was caught on a camera. What we don't know is the stuff that happens behind closed doors that tells more of the story.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 10, 2014, 11:23:26 PM
I think the overplaying thing is a valid point.

I don't know why, but I always remember when Ryan Giggs was emerging as a kid, the press were salivating over him, but Ferguson used him sparingly to start with and said it was to protect him and help him get the most out of his career. I used to recall that when seeing him still playing aged 65 (or whatever he is).

Having said that, we're shit in midfield, and Grealish seems both very good and not troubled by a lack of confidence, so I'd use him from the start.
Erm Giggs was a Yanited regular at 18.

Born 1973, turned 18 in the 91-92 season.

91-92 - 1 appearance
92-93 - 13 appearances
93-94 - 10 appearances
94-95 - 1 appearance

His breakthrough was the 95-96 season, when he was 22.

Where you got those stats from ?


See previous post.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: silhillvilla on August 10, 2014, 11:26:44 PM
I think the overplaying thing is a valid point.

I don't know why, but I always remember when Ryan Giggs was emerging as a kid, the press were salivating over him, but Ferguson used him sparingly to start with and said it was to protect him and help him get the most out of his career. I used to recall that when seeing him still playing aged 65 (or whatever he is).

Having said that, we're shit in midfield, and Grealish seems both very good and not troubled by a lack of confidence, so I'd use him from the start.
Erm Giggs was a Yanited regular at 18.

Born 1973, turned 18 in the 91-92 season.

91-92 - 1 appearance
92-93 - 13 appearances
93-94 - 10 appearances
94-95 - 1 appearance

His breakthrough was the 95-96 season, when he was 22.

Where you got those stats from ?


See previous post.
Ok, totally inaccurate then.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 10, 2014, 11:28:58 PM
I think the overplaying thing is a valid point.

I don't know why, but I always remember when Ryan Giggs was emerging as a kid, the press were salivating over him, but Ferguson used him sparingly to start with and said it was to protect him and help him get the most out of his career. I used to recall that when seeing him still playing aged 65 (or whatever he is).

Having said that, we're shit in midfield, and Grealish seems both very good and not troubled by a lack of confidence, so I'd use him from the start.
Erm Giggs was a Yanited regular at 18.

Born 1973, turned 18 in the 91-92 season.

91-92 - 1 appearance
92-93 - 13 appearances
93-94 - 10 appearances
94-95 - 1 appearance

His breakthrough was the 95-96 season, when he was 22.

Where you got those stats from ?


See previous post.
Ok, totally inaccurate then.

Err, like i said? Yes.

But the point still remains, Ferguson was very protective of Giggs as a kid and broke him in slowly. He was also extremely protective of him viz a viz the media, too.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: silhillvilla on August 10, 2014, 11:37:03 PM
Don't think he broke him in slowly. He noticed a young talent and unleashed him. Correctly.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 10, 2014, 11:44:16 PM
Don't think he broke him in slowly. He noticed a young talent and unleashed him. Correctly.

He did, trust me, at the time there was media clamour for him to play more, and from an earlier age, but Ferguson was incredibly protective of Giggs. I also suspect he had something to do with him hardly ever showing up for Wales, too.

He got the absolute most out of him for Man United, and it started early.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: tomd2103 on August 11, 2014, 02:37:53 AM
Don't think he broke him in slowly. He noticed a young talent and unleashed him. Correctly.

He did, trust me, at the time there was media clamour for him to play more, and from an earlier age, but Ferguson was incredibly protective of Giggs. I also suspect he had something to do with him hardly ever showing up for Wales, too.

He got the absolute most out of him for Man United, and it started early.

Yep, made his international debut in 1991, but didn't feature in a friendly until 1999.  As for Grealish, I just hope PL has the courage to play him in a more central role if he's going to feature and doesn't take the easy option of sticking him out wide.  Him and Gardner coming good this season would be absolutely massive for us.       
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Matt Collins on August 11, 2014, 07:27:55 AM
92-93 was the year villa and United we're going for the title. Giggs and sharpe were on the wings on a consistent basis. I don't think kanchelskis played much at all that year. So those stats look miles out to me.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: supertom on August 11, 2014, 09:47:42 AM
92-93 was the year villa and United we're going for the title. Giggs and sharpe were on the wings on a consistent basis. I don't think kanchelskis played much at all that year. So those stats look miles out to me.
I think the Wiki starts look about right. He played a fair bit from very young. It doesn't distinguish between starts and sub appearences, but still, he played a lot when he was deemed good enough, from a very early age. Likewise it didn't seem to effect him long term either.
That said, perhaps comparisons to Giggs are getting a little ahead of ourselves.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Mister E on August 11, 2014, 10:03:37 AM
Giggs is an example where luck, personal talent, good personal discipline / commitment and good management all converge to create an outstanding athlete (by 'luck' I refer to the fact that he has managed to avoid significant periods of injury; unlike, say, Walcott. I realise that it is not a matter of luck but I use the word to summarise all the elements that constitute a largely injury-free career).
Ferguson played a blinder with Giggs in terms of keeping him fresh, out of the limelight and focussed. Perhaps Keane's experience in the Ferguson camp will help us manage young Jack similarly?
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on August 11, 2014, 10:06:10 AM
92-93 was the year villa and United we're going for the title. Giggs and sharpe were on the wings on a consistent basis. I don't think kanchelskis played much at all that year. So those stats look miles out to me.
I think the Wiki starts look about right. He played a fair bit from very young. It doesn't distinguish between starts and sub appearences, but still, he played a lot when he was deemed good enough, from a very early age. Likewise it didn't seem to effect him long term either.
That said, perhaps comparisons to Giggs are getting a little ahead of ourselves.

Hopefully he's been hanging out the back of his sis-in-law at some point. Integral part to being successful.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 11, 2014, 10:19:20 AM
I've seen lots of genuine talent emerge from our youth team over the years but the only one I've ever thought was overplayed was Gareth Barry, who was flogged to death by John Gregory in his first season and took a couple of years to get over it. 

I'd argue a bit about Gabby aswell. First three years of MON didn't he only miss something ridiculous like 3 games during that period and it wasn't like he was subbed that often.

Now he's paying for it with the injuries he frequently picks up during the season which disrupt him. That and being a lazy bugger these days.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 11, 2014, 10:22:38 AM
I also think Albrighton was overplayed a little bit aswell. He was great at the start of 10/11 but the time to take him out would've been around November when his form started to dip and go with Young Ireland and Downing behind the striker but Houllier had fallen out with Ireland at that point so it wasn't an option.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: supertom on August 11, 2014, 10:25:50 AM
I've seen lots of genuine talent emerge from our youth team over the years but the only one I've ever thought was overplayed was Gareth Barry, who was flogged to death by John Gregory in his first season and took a couple of years to get over it. 

I'd argue a bit about Gabby aswell. First three years of MON didn't he only miss something ridiculous like 3 games during that period and it wasn't like he was subbed that often.

Now he's paying for it with the injuries he frequently picks up during the season which disrupt him. That and being a lazy bugger these days.
Most of his injury problems seem to have happened after becoming a bit of a gym freak. Getting played a lot young won't always result in a burned out 26 year old crawling toward early retirement. It'll depend player to player really. For every Owen, and you could possibly say Rooney (though I think his training mentality is his issue), you have a Giggs or a Barry who've played regularly from 17-18 to, in Giggs case, 40 and Barry is 33 and still going strong.

I think that Grealish isn't largely about one raw physical attribute like pace, will help him maintain himself long term too. His noggin, if he stays lucking and doesn't get mullered by some maniacal leg breaker, should see him have a long and successful career. Hopefully at the top level, and with us.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: supertom on August 11, 2014, 10:30:28 AM
I also think Albrighton was overplayed a little bit aswell. He was great at the start of 10/11 but the time to take him out would've been around November when his form started to dip and go with Young Ireland and Downing behind the striker but Houllier had fallen out with Ireland at that point so it wasn't an option.
Same with Weimann really. When they deserve to be put in, they should be, but by the same token, sometimes you need to take a player out for respite when things aren't going right. I don't think we've done Andi any favours by playing him almost every week under Lambert, and largely in an unfavoured position.
It's not even just starting him every game that's been a problem, it's also that Lambo always seems reluctant to take him off.

I think Grealish warrants his chance and he's got an ideal start to come in. Benteke and Kozak aren't ready to come in and take a place in the team yet, so we're short and need an unexpected spark from somewhere. Likewise our start isn't too horrifying on paper. We've an ideal opening few games to bed him in.
If he gets in the side and shines, he'll probably have a dip over the middle of the season as most youngens tend to. It's then we've got to be more careful with him.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 11, 2014, 01:34:00 PM
Oh I don't think he should be starting every week, but I think it could be a good decision for the first game.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Ryu on August 12, 2014, 03:39:40 PM
Young players getting 'burnt out' must be a real phenomenon, otherwise why would so many managers and other people in football talk about it?  We're talking about teenagers who are still going.  Rooney and Owen are two examples I can think of off the top of my head who played a lot as teenagers, peaked in their early 20s before fading.  TBF Rooney is still an excellent player but anyone can see he has lost the explosive pace he had in his early career.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: paul_e on August 12, 2014, 04:29:13 PM
Young players getting 'burnt out' must be a real phenomenon, otherwise why would so many managers and other people in football talk about it?  We're talking about teenagers who are still going.  Rooney and Owen are two examples I can think of off the top of my head who played a lot as teenagers, peaked in their early 20s before fading.  TBF Rooney is still an excellent player but anyone can see he has lost the explosive pace he had in his early career.

but there are lots of examples of players who haven't burned out.  Aside from that both examples you've given it's a loss of the aggressive determination as much as anything, which is more to do with the esteem and earnings they've been given than how young they were when they started.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Smirker on August 12, 2014, 06:00:34 PM
Young players getting 'burnt out' must be a real phenomenon, otherwise why would so many managers and other people in football talk about it?  We're talking about teenagers who are still going.  Rooney and Owen are two examples I can think of off the top of my head who played a lot as teenagers, peaked in their early 20s before fading.  TBF Rooney is still an excellent player but anyone can see he has lost the explosive pace he had in his early career.

Rooney has burned out because he doesn't look after himself. That's all there is to it really.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: garyshawsknee on August 12, 2014, 06:08:50 PM
Oh I don't think he should be starting every week, but I think it could be a good decision for the first game.

I think it's better to start him and give him 60 minutes than throw him on for the last 20 if we are losing. Him and NZogbia have been the only attacking sparks of pre season.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 12, 2014, 06:10:35 PM
Young players getting 'burnt out' must be a real phenomenon, otherwise why would so many managers and other people in football talk about it?  We're talking about teenagers who are still going.  Rooney and Owen are two examples I can think of off the top of my head who played a lot as teenagers, peaked in their early 20s before fading.  TBF Rooney is still an excellent player but anyone can see he has lost the explosive pace he had in his early career.

but there are lots of examples of players who haven't burned out.  Aside from that both examples you've given it's a loss of the aggressive determination as much as anything, which is more to do with the esteem and earnings they've been given than how young they were when they started.

Same thing in a way though.  They can be both physically burnt out or mentally burnt out from the weight of people's expectations (not to mention accessibility to bright lights/girls/drunks/cash etc).  It will be interesting to see how Shaw develops compared to Barkley who seems to want to stay at Everton.  Ditto - flavour of the month alert - Germany seem to wait until players are 22-23 before they're elevated to the full team.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: paul_e on August 12, 2014, 08:49:10 PM
Young players getting 'burnt out' must be a real phenomenon, otherwise why would so many managers and other people in football talk about it?  We're talking about teenagers who are still going.  Rooney and Owen are two examples I can think of off the top of my head who played a lot as teenagers, peaked in their early 20s before fading.  TBF Rooney is still an excellent player but anyone can see he has lost the explosive pace he had in his early career.

but there are lots of examples of players who haven't burned out.  Aside from that both examples you've given it's a loss of the aggressive determination as much as anything, which is more to do with the esteem and earnings they've been given than how young they were when they started.

Same thing in a way though.  They can be both physically burnt out or mentally burnt out from the weight of people's expectations (not to mention accessibility to bright lights/girls/drunks/cash etc).  It will be interesting to see how Shaw develops compared to Barkley who seems to want to stay at Everton.  Ditto - flavour of the month alert - Germany seem to wait until players are 22-23 before they're elevated to the full team.

Except for Thomas Muller who got his first call up to the full German squad just after is 19th birthday and was top scorer for them at the 2010 world cup as a 20 year old.

There are exceptions to everything when it comes to this, the simple question is, as before, does he deserve to be in the mix for a start, and the answer is a fairly safe yes.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Ads on August 13, 2014, 09:08:39 AM
I would like to see him get some game time.

We have a good record of producing decent premier league players, but it would be great to see us bring one through with genuine flair.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: supertom on August 13, 2014, 12:19:36 PM
To be honest, even as good as Grealish could be, the chances of him started over 30 games a season for the following 2-3 years at this level are slim, so though I hope we see plenty the lad, I don't there will be danger of burnout. I don't think he's going to immediately become a week in, week out player like Rooney and Owen.

If he can get 20-30 appearences this season from starts and bench combined he'll have done very well.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Chris Smith on August 13, 2014, 12:31:00 PM
Young players getting 'burnt out' must be a real phenomenon, otherwise why would so many managers and other people in football talk about it?  We're talking about teenagers who are still going.  Rooney and Owen are two examples I can think of off the top of my head who played a lot as teenagers, peaked in their early 20s before fading.  TBF Rooney is still an excellent player but anyone can see he has lost the explosive pace he had in his early career.

Rooney has burned out because he doesn't look after himself. That's all there is to it really.

And that know nothing idiot Van Gaal goes and makes him captain.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Smirker on August 13, 2014, 12:40:36 PM
Well he has admitted it himself and he's a smoker. There was that coach who said Rooney didn't want to do the extra in training whereas Ronaldo did. I would have thought van Persie would have got it.

Rooney to get a pay rise when he demands to leave for a third time. Maybe even a statue outside the ground.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 13, 2014, 12:55:25 PM
Is there another player out there that has been rewarded more in his career despite underachievement than Rooney?
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Dave on August 13, 2014, 01:54:57 PM
Is there another player out there that has been rewarded more in his career despite underachievement than Rooney?
Has he underachieved? He's got a list of domestic honours twice as long as players who are better than he is, he'll almost certainly become England's most-capped player and highest goalscorer as well as Man Utd's record all-time goalscorer.

Those last three don't shout 'underachievement' to me.

Just because he's not the best player in the world (or even in the top 20) doesn't necessary mean that he's underachieved.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: bobdylan on August 13, 2014, 02:03:11 PM
Is there another player out there that has been rewarded more in his career despite underachievement than Rooney?
Has he underachieved? He's got a list of domestic honours twice as long as players who are better than he is, he'll almost certainly become England's most-capped player and highest goalscorer as well as Man Utd's record all-time goalscorer.

Those last three don't shout 'underachievement' to me.

Just because he's not the best player in the world (or even in the top 20) doesn't necessary mean that he's underachieved.

Quite, he's averaged almost 22 goals per season for 10 consecutive seasons at Man Utd, that's astonishing for a guy who isn't even a centre forward, more of a no. 10 really.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Clampy on August 13, 2014, 02:30:21 PM
Would you say he's worth the supposed £300k a week and would the England team be any worse off without him?
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Dave on August 13, 2014, 02:40:14 PM
Would you say he's worth the supposed £300k a week and would the England team be any worse off without him?
I still don't believe that any footballer is worth even £30,000 per week.

That doesn't mean that he has underachieved, just because somebody else has decided to pay him more than they should.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 13, 2014, 02:57:01 PM
He's a very good footballer but I think he will have underachieved based on how he looked the first 4 or 5 years of his career. Regardless of medals and records. Medals especially can be misleading, his medal haul is on a par with Phil Neville for example.

He looked like he would become a top class player, for want of a better term, but is staying at the very good level and if anything is going backwards as a player when he should be hitting his peak. That is where I think he has underachieved.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Clampy on August 13, 2014, 03:09:56 PM
Like someone mentioned earlier, all he seems to have done the last few years is threaten to leave Man Utd whenever his contract is two years from expiring then go on to sign a whopping contract for the kind of money which you could argue he did'nt really deserve. He seems to have found a comfort zone and stuck to it, maybe knowing deep down that he'd be found out if he'd gone abroad.
 
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 13, 2014, 03:48:39 PM
Like someone mentioned earlier, all he seems to have done the last few years is threaten to leave Man Utd whenever his contract is two years from expiring then go on to sign a whopping contract for the kind of money which you could argue he did'nt really deserve. He seems to have found a comfort zone and stuck to it, maybe knowing deep down that he'd be found out if he'd gone abroad.
 

I wish he would go abroad. Him and others in the national team, I can't help think it'd do the England side the world of good to have players playing elsewhere.

I do agree about that threatening to leave every two years. I reckon he's got a truly brilliant agent.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Drummond on August 13, 2014, 03:53:06 PM
How can he be seen to have underachieved?

He's won everything (bar National honours, and let's face it, with the muppets around him that ain't going to change) and gets paid about as well as anyone could.

I'd say he's overachieved.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 13, 2014, 04:18:47 PM
Is there another player out there that has been rewarded more in his career despite underachievement than Rooney?
Has he underachieved? He's got a list of domestic honours twice as long as players who are better than he is, he'll almost certainly become England's most-capped player and highest goalscorer as well as Man Utd's record all-time goalscorer.

Those last three don't shout 'underachievement' to me.

Just because he's not the best player in the world (or even in the top 20) doesn't necessary mean that he's underachieved.

On an individual level based on what he could have done I think he has. I'm not disputing what he has won as part of being a part of the most successful domestic team in English football ever. But relative to how he has been compensated I don't think his performances for his club or country have merited that. And especially in the past 2 or 3 seasons. But I believe he's dipped below the level that we see in others that we consider world superstars. I don't think that anyone considers Rooney right now at that level. So, yes for me that is underachievement irrespective of his numerous team accolades.

I also agree that via his agent he is the best negotiator in the world. And l agree with paulie that some of the English players need to go abroad to see if their skills transfer. The best ones will be successful, but I think many stay at home to remain well paid and comfortable. That's why I've become quite the fan of Bale because not only was he superb at Spurs he has been able to maintain that level of form and consistency at Real Madrid when the pressure could have got the better of him. He's a much better player because of it.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 13, 2014, 04:31:01 PM
The Bale thing is interesting. Picture both players when they were 21/22 and then think which one looked like he would fit in comfortably at Real Madrid.

As for Rooney at Manure, no one says he isn't a very good player, but stick any very good attacker in the Manure side over the last 10 years and they'll score a shedload. And again, my interpretation of underachieving is that he is a very good player, albeit looking like he is going backwards at what should be his peak years. At 19, 20, 21, 22 he looked like he would become a genuine world class player. But unlike the genuine world class players he never kicked on and i'd say he isn't as good now as he was then.  That to me is an underachievement.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 13, 2014, 04:42:14 PM
The Bale thing is interesting. Picture both players when they were 21/22 and then think which one looked like he would fit in comfortably at Real Madrid.

As for Rooney at Manure, no one says he isn't a very good player, but stick any very good attacker in the Manure side over the last 10 years and they'll score a shedload. And again, my interpretation of underachieving is that he is a very good player, albeit looking like he is going backwards at what should be his peak years. At 19, 20, 21, 22 he looked like he would become a genuine world class player. But unlike the genuine world class players he never kicked on and i'd say he isn't as good now as he was then.  That to me is an underachievement.

that's well put Mr Shin. For me he never reached the heights his undoubted talent should have allowed. I also look at a player like Ibrahimovich who has traveled all over Europe, played in different systems and has performed at a very high and consistent level. I just fine with English players they are so lauded in this country they never have the desire to really push themselves to the very top of their game.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Mellin on August 13, 2014, 05:46:52 PM
As mentioned in the post above, considering his potential, he's flattered to deceive. His best performances internationally came in Euro 2004 at 18(?). Whlist at club level he's been the definitive main man at United for one, maybe two, seasons. I just don't think that's good enough. He's had a good career and made a lot of money, but it could've been exceptional.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Smirker on August 13, 2014, 06:18:10 PM
As mentioned in the post above, considering his potential, he's flattered to deceive. His best performances internationally came in Euro 2004 at 18(?). Whlist at club level he's been the definitive main man at United for one, maybe two, seasons. I just don't think that's good enough. He's had a good career and made a lot of money, but it could've been exceptional.

Give this a watch -


vs France in 2004, his worst game. Looks a different player and you can see why people were saying he could go on to become the best in the world.

His goals and trophies need to be put into perspective, there are plenty of great players who didn't win much and any striker is going to score for Man Utd because of the chances they create; Welbeck has hit double figures twice now.

Rooney doesn't handle pressure very well either. Look how many times Ferguson had to drop him vs teams from Liverpool or 2004 aside how badly he's played for England in tournaments while smashing the goals in during qualifying.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Dave Cooper please on August 13, 2014, 08:11:33 PM
How has Rooney underachieved?
The only thing he could have done more in his career so far is win something with England, and I reckon even if Messi and Ronaldo had been English we still couldn't have won anything with the rest of the (comparative) dross that makes up our national team.

Rooney has done pretty much what I expected for a brilliant, but not quite World class, player.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: hartman_1982 on August 13, 2014, 08:27:43 PM
I think the people who believe that Rooney has underachieved are talking about in his personal development as a player. At 18, he had the world at his feet. He was incredible at Euro 2004 and looked like he was going to set the world alight.
I think as an individual, he could have gone on to achieve more had he kept his weight down and put in the effort that Ronaldo seemingly has.
I understand both arguments and in a way agree with both. There isn't much more he could have won but I do think he could have made that step up to become truly World Class.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 13, 2014, 08:30:59 PM
I think the people who believe that Rooney has underachieved are talking about in his personal development as a player. At 18, he had the world at his feet. He was incredible at Euro 2004 and looked like he was going to set the world alight.
I think as an individual, he could have gone on to achieve more had he kept his weight down and put in the effort that Ronaldo seemingly has.
I understand both arguments and in a way agree with both. There isn't much more he could have won but I do think he could have made that step up to become truly World Class.

That is exactly why I say I think he has underachieved. Not because of what he has or hasn't won.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 13, 2014, 09:08:58 PM
He looks a completely different player in that youtube clip.  He looks skilful and instinctive, whereas nowadays he seems only capable of bludgeoning the defenders.  Still a good player but for me, that player seemed to promise more, at least from an excitement perspective.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: AGRIPPA on August 18, 2014, 06:44:50 PM
Young Jack was apparently dining in the Olton Tavern in Solihull yesterday.... Very nice lad apparently.... My daughter is smitten!!
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: LTA on August 19, 2014, 10:30:22 PM
I watched PL's press conference from Saturday on the Telegraph website and one of the journalists asked him about report that Jack being in the next Irish squad.  How about they just allow us to break him in gently?!  Besides, MON would probably put in at centre-back, given his obsession with playing people out of position.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: dcdavecollett on August 20, 2014, 12:37:01 AM
Right back, surely?
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on August 20, 2014, 08:54:48 AM
Young Jack was apparently dining in the Olton Tavern in Solihull yesterday.... Very nice lad apparently.... My daughter is smitten!!

He probably went there so that he could play bowls later.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: spartacuss on August 20, 2014, 11:42:51 AM
Nice lad: wouldn't doubt that for a minute, but (there's always a 'but'...) I couldn't help noticing, when watching the highlights of Monday's reserve match, that Jack on 2 or 3 occasions when he was fouled, reacted petulantly to Sturke's cloggers.   Naturally he would be annoyed that his silky skills and ball control would not be appreciated by the agricultural responses of Stoke's reserves more 'traditional' playing style.  Jack, having done his time in the trenches of the lower divisions, probably feels that he would have left clogging tackles from opponents behind him and that the Premiership would be above such tactics.

If I were his coach, I would be saying something along the lines of: "Jack, if your opponents detect that you're an easy wind-up and react as you do, they will target you mercilessly until - as sure as moan follows Mourinho - you'll be carded out of the game."
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Dominic22 on August 20, 2014, 02:46:54 PM
He was at the Villa Soccer School at Tamworth a couple of weeks ago to visit the kids with Callum Robinson.

Both seemed really nice young men, very polite great with the kids and spent time chatting and answering the young kids questions.  As it does at that age it made the kids week, they got photos Jack took a couple of penalties etc. 

We are season tickets and speak to Callum's Dad a bit as he comes in the entrance from the players car park and again they seem a really nice family that will without doubt keep him on the straight and narrow.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Gregorys Boy on August 20, 2014, 10:57:00 PM
Please lets not start piling the pressure on Grealish before he has even had to time to settle in the first team squad.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Dave on August 21, 2014, 12:48:43 PM
Not in O'Neill's latest squad.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: olaftab on August 21, 2014, 12:55:29 PM
Rooney has done pretty much what I expected for a brilliant, but not quite World class, player.
That's about my take  on it as well.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: olaftab on August 21, 2014, 12:58:28 PM
Please lets not start piling the pressure on Grealish before he has even had to time to settle in the first team squad.
We don't need to be worried about that. Great talent thrives on pressure. In any case if his choice Ireland he will be in their team before he makes it regular in the Villa team.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: AGRIPPA on August 21, 2014, 04:06:53 PM
Young Jack was apparently dining in the Olton Tavern in Solihull yesterday.... Very nice lad apparently.... My daughter is smitten!!

He probably went there so that he could play bowls later.
A fine game for a fine player…..
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: godzvilla on August 21, 2014, 07:16:01 PM
Word is he,s  " considering his options " re playing for Eire or England................Godzvilla!
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Legion on August 21, 2014, 07:17:09 PM
, is a comma
' is an apostrophe
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Dave on August 21, 2014, 07:30:25 PM
And an ellipsis is three dots unless you're finishing a sentence with it (which you probably shouldn't).

[\grammar nazi]
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: godzvilla on August 21, 2014, 09:50:54 PM
 pedagogue /  dogmatist

    know-it-all

    pedant

    sophist


........................Godzvilla!
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 21, 2014, 10:16:02 PM
pedagogue /  dogmatist

    know-it-all

    pedant

    sophist


........................Godzvilla!

It's not really anything to do with being a pedagogue or dogmatist to point out such a basic feature of the English language, though, is it?

Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Risso on August 21, 2014, 10:29:52 PM
And an ellipsis is three dots unless you're finishing a sentence with it (which you probably shouldn't).

[\grammar nazi]

I'm sure that slash is facing the wrong way...
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 21, 2014, 10:34:30 PM
And an ellipsis is three dots unless you're finishing a sentence with it (which you probably shouldn't).

[\grammar nazi]

I'm sure that slash is facing the wrong way...

I was tempted to say that myself, but decided not to, because the opening tag isn't there in any case, thus rendering it even more wrong.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on August 21, 2014, 11:57:04 PM
And an ellipsis is three dots unless you're finishing a sentence with it (which you probably shouldn't).

[\grammar nazi]

I'm sure that slash is facing the wrong way...

I was tempted to say that myself, but decided not to, because the opening tag isn't there in any case, thus rendering it even more wrong.

I think you'll find It's 'even wronger'.

*Puts pipe back in mouth*
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Dave on August 22, 2014, 12:07:08 AM
And an ellipsis is three dots unless you're finishing a sentence with it (which you probably shouldn't).

[\grammar nazi]

I'm sure that slash is facing the wrong way...

I was tempted to say that myself, but decided not to, because the opening tag isn't there in any case, thus rendering it even more wrong.
Hey, it's grammar Nazism not HTML coding Nazism.

I'll probably now be told that the funny quote thing isn't even HTML coding.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: godzvilla on August 22, 2014, 12:19:25 AM
pedagogue /  dogmatist

    know-it-all

    pedant

    sophist


........................Godzvilla!

It's not really anything to do with being a pedagogue or dogmatist to point out such a basic feature of the English language, though, is it?



Smug :

Holier than thou.
Pompous.
Smarty .
Know-it-all
Scornful .
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 22, 2014, 12:22:55 AM
pedagogue /  dogmatist

    know-it-all

    pedant

    sophist


........................Godzvilla!

It's not really anything to do with being a pedagogue or dogmatist to point out such a basic feature of the English language, though, is it?



Smug :

Holier than thou.
Pompous.
Smarty .
Know-it-all
Scornful .


You're not really entering into the spirit of this are you?
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: eamonn on August 22, 2014, 12:40:50 AM
Godzilla's dots and Dr Butler signing off his posts as 'The Doc' never fail to make me smile, they're part of H&V's charm so maybe we should all just hold onto our seats and be nice.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: ozzjim on August 22, 2014, 12:51:39 AM
pedagogue /  dogmatist

    know-it-all

    pedant

    sophist


........................Godzvilla!

It's not really anything to do with being a pedagogue or dogmatist to point out such a basic feature of the English language, though, is it?



Smug :

Holier than thou.
Pompous.
Smarty .
Know-it-all
Scornful .




........................godzilla!
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Billy Walker on August 22, 2014, 01:57:01 AM
Godzvilla's posts and his sign-offs are always a pleasure to see on this forum.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: jwarry on August 22, 2014, 06:31:24 AM
Seems it was Jack's choice http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/soccer/oneill-fears-england-lure-283188.html
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Mister E on August 22, 2014, 07:48:44 AM

I think you'll find It's 'even wronger'.

*Puts pipe back in mouth*
Well, no wonder you got that wrong with a crack pipe in your mouth.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: olaftab on August 22, 2014, 08:15:01 AM
It's not really anything to do with being a pedagogue or dogmatist to point out such a basic feature of the English language, though, is it?
You mean innit?
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Dr Butler on August 22, 2014, 08:18:50 AM
Godzilla's dots and Dr Butler signing off his posts as 'The Doc' never fail to make me smile, they're part of H&V's charm so maybe we should all just hold onto our seats and be nice.

God bless you eamonn...

UTV
The Doc ;)
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: joe_c on August 22, 2014, 09:45:30 AM
As everybody knows, a pedant is what someone who is wrong calls someone who is right.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Ger Regan on August 22, 2014, 09:59:24 AM
pedagogue /  dogmatist

    know-it-all

    pedant

    sophist


........................Godzvilla!
If you are actually 66 then you hide it very well.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: cdbullyweefan on August 22, 2014, 01:10:39 PM
Can't we all just get along?

........................cdbullyweefan!
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Dave Cooper please on August 22, 2014, 02:13:02 PM
No



.................................fuckyouall
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 22, 2014, 02:14:09 PM
Can't we all just get along?

........................cdbullyweefan!

I think you'll find that should be "can,t"
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 22, 2014, 02:21:38 PM
Or ca'nt
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: godzvilla on August 22, 2014, 05:36:04 PM
Godzilla's dots and Dr Butler signing off his posts as 'The Doc' never fail to make me smile, they're part of H&V's charm so maybe we should all just hold onto our seats and be nice.

God bless you eamonn...

UTV
The Doc ;)

That eamon......he,s a Saint I tell yuh .............Godzvilla!
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Mister E on August 22, 2014, 07:18:37 PM
Or ca'nt
Oi, who you calling ca'nt?
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: peter w on August 22, 2014, 10:14:10 PM
You you cun't.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: junxs on August 22, 2014, 11:13:29 PM
Whatever happened to 'Bad English'? wasn't it his full time job picking errors on our spellings?
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 22, 2014, 11:26:21 PM
Whatever happened to 'Bad English'? wasn't it his full time job picking errors on our spellings?

in, not on

spelling

Also wasn't should have a capital W.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: peter w on August 22, 2014, 11:34:59 PM
You should have a comma after Also.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 22, 2014, 11:49:48 PM
Whatever happened to 'Bad English'? wasn't it his full time job picking errors on our spellings?

He's on a summer course, trying to improve his French with help from Professor James Toner.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Ian J on August 25, 2014, 01:48:30 PM
And an ellipsis is three dots unless you're finishing a sentence with it (which you probably shouldn't).

[\grammar nazi]

I'm sure that slash is facing the wrong way...
Is this Risso or an imposter?



..............hello again (if it's you)!
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: paul_e on August 31, 2014, 03:34:10 PM
Looked like Hull were told to target him if he came on, fouled 4 times in 20minutes, 3 were yellows and the 4th was very lucky not to be another.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: brontebilly on August 31, 2014, 03:48:25 PM
Looked like Hull were told to target him if he came on, fouled 4 times in 20minutes, 3 were yellows and the 4th was very lucky not to be another.

The first one by Rosenior was the worst tackle of the lot. Good to see it didnt phase Grealish. Benefits of last season's loan perhaps where it must have happened in most games. Hope Lambert brings it up in his press conference as it looked pre meditated to foul him each time he got the ball.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: ozzjim on August 31, 2014, 03:51:13 PM
If the kid comes on kick him seemed to be the instruction. It was a lynch mob, which Grealish seemed to just laugh at.

Get him on a long, long deal please Villa.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 31, 2014, 04:03:35 PM
Very very promising indeed. Yes need to get him, Vlaar and Delph locked down.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Risso on August 31, 2014, 04:07:31 PM
And an ellipsis is three dots unless you're finishing a sentence with it (which you probably shouldn't).

[\grammar nazi]

I'm sure that slash is facing the wrong way...
Is this Risso or an imposter?



..............hello again (if it's you)!

Tis I!  And hello yourself!
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 31, 2014, 04:11:30 PM
Some ridiculous challenges by the Hull players on him. What it does show are other teams are aware of him and his potential and he's getting the same treatment as the likes of Ronaldo and Januazi were getting when they first broke through.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Ian J on August 31, 2014, 04:12:22 PM
Ha ha!! Welcome back.

Jack's going to be a good one I just hope he gets used to being clattered though, they went for him today.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 31, 2014, 04:36:20 PM
Very very promising indeed. Yes need to get him, Vlaar and Delph locked down.

Agreed.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: FrankyH on August 31, 2014, 04:40:42 PM
Looked like Hull were told to target him if he came on, fouled 4 times in 20minutes, 3 were yellows and the 4th was very lucky not to be another.

When Bruce is whinging his tits off in the post match interview , I don't suppose he will mention any of them tactics.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: andyh on August 31, 2014, 04:45:14 PM
I felt he was targeted when he came on, some of those 'challenges' were disgraceful.
But, I was a little disappointed some of our senior players (especially the big fuckers) didn't seem to stand up for jack.
At one point Guzan went over and spoke to him, but Senderos or Vlaar should have shown those dirty Hull fuckers that they had Jacks back.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Tony Erdington on August 31, 2014, 04:49:21 PM
ive mentioned about how shit the ref was on the post match clatenburg offered no protection to grealish, so it was open season on the boy.

he does show promise tho, and qwik feet, very good.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: claret and blue blood on August 31, 2014, 04:59:59 PM
Best prospect I've seen at Villa Park since Brian Little!
The ball seems to stay with him as he glides past players who can only bring him down or he's gone.
Please give him a new contract Villa,all the plastic clubs will be after him.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Lastfootstamper on August 31, 2014, 05:00:33 PM
ive mentioned about how shit the ref was on the post match clatenburg offered no protection to grealish, so it was open season on the boy.

he does show promise tho, and qwik feet, very good.

In what way, other than booking virtually all those that kicked him, should Clattenberg have protected him?
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: curiousorange on August 31, 2014, 05:01:19 PM
I felt he was targeted when he came on, some of those 'challenges' were disgraceful.
But, I was a little disappointed some of our senior players (especially the big fuckers) didn't seem to stand up for jack.
At one point Guzan went over and spoke to him, but Senderos or Vlaar should have shown those dirty Hull fuckers that they had Jacks back.

I wonder what Guzan said? It looked to me like he gave him a pat on the chest and assured him that Hull were terrified of him.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Tony Erdington on August 31, 2014, 05:07:23 PM
ive mentioned about how shit the ref was on the post match clatenburg offered no protection to grealish, so it was open season on the boy.

he does show promise tho, and qwik feet, very good.

In what way, other than booking virtually all those that kicked him, should Clattenberg have protected him?

"in what way"  alright in the way when the first foul came in by there number 2 book the bastard, show that those kind of challenges went out with the dark ages, but not even a word, is that enough explanation for you.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: DrGonzo on August 31, 2014, 05:15:01 PM
ive mentioned about how shit the ref was on the post match clatenburg offered no protection to grealish, so it was open season on the boy.

he does show promise tho, and qwik feet, very good.

In what way, other than booking virtually all those that kicked him, should Clattenberg have protected him?

"in what way"  alright in the way when the first foul came in by there number 2 book the bastard, show that those kind of challenges went out with the dark ages, but not even a word, is that enough explanation for you.

He booked 3 of them.  That's what he can do. 

Thought Grealish didn't look phased either by the occasion or the pressure of the Hull players.  The work with Delph in the box in added time was exactly the edge we have been lacking in the middle for a long time, although to be fair we looked far more threatening in that 1st half than we have for many a game. 

A few more of these cameos and then start introducing him earlier, the next 5 games aren't going to be easy on anyone in the side and to start throwing him in from the first minute may be too much too soon.  Fingers crossed, we have a really good prospect.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: charleeco7 on August 31, 2014, 05:36:10 PM
Probably the harshes treatment I've seem towards one player in many a year. To me that's a testoment to his ability. Best of all he got up, brushed himself off and got on with it.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Lastfootstamper on August 31, 2014, 05:36:44 PM
ive mentioned about how shit the ref was on the post match clatenburg offered no protection to grealish, so it was open season on the boy.

he does show promise tho, and qwik feet, very good.

In what way, other than booking virtually all those that kicked him, should Clattenberg have protected him?

"in what way"  alright in the way when the first foul came in by there number 2 book the bastard, show that those kind of challenges went out with the dark ages, but not even a word, is that enough explanation for you.

Admittedly, there was one that evaded a booking. But the three others did not. None of them, from where I was watching, was worthy of a straight red. Should there be a list of players whom the fouling of results in immediate dismissal?
Anyway, judging by the way it started as soon as he came on, unless the Hull team oddly take an interest in the developments of our youth system, I assume directives were handed down from higher up. I look forward to potato head's future contributions in debates over why these islands struggle to develop any mercurial talents of world standing.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Exeter 77 on August 31, 2014, 05:37:32 PM
Grealish seemed to find it funny that they were kicking him - the screens showed him smiling to himself after the 3rd foul. I suppose it's a bit flatteringly.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: olaftab on August 31, 2014, 05:44:34 PM
Hull's treatment of Jack was disgraceful however the kid is very flexible and can jump and roll over out of way to avoid any serious damage.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Hoppo on August 31, 2014, 05:51:27 PM
I blame Bruce. The fat dinosaur. It sparked a rendition of "fuck off potato head, Lee Hendrie is in your daughters bed." For that song alone I salute Super Jack Grealish.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Legion on August 31, 2014, 06:53:26 PM
Did he take a leak in the Hull half-time tea or something? Fair play to him for taking it all in his stride.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: OCD on August 31, 2014, 07:00:33 PM
Grealish seemed to find it funny that they were kicking him - the screens showed him smiling to himself after the 3rd foul. I suppose it's a bit flatteringly.

Probably more out of bemusement. It was getting ridiculous that within a few minutes he had been passed to 4 times, deliberated a little and then copped one leading to a booking. It does seem odd to have planned such a treatment for someone who's not long finished school. One I could have written off as just trying to intimidate a young kid but for four of them to do it you would think it was Messi or something.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 31, 2014, 07:00:46 PM
Probably the harshes treatment I've seem towards one player in many a year. To me that's a testoment to his ability. Best of all he got up, brushed himself off and got on with it.

Absolutely. In fairness before we get all high and mighty on this, for the Man. United home game last year we spent the last half hour seeing which one of Lowton, Clark or Baker could try to hurt Januazi the most so it's just something that happens to young players sometimes.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: nigel on August 31, 2014, 07:18:09 PM
ive mentioned about how shit the ref was on the post match clatenburg offered no protection to grealish, so it was open season on the boy.

he does show promise tho, and qwik feet, very good.

In what way, other than booking virtually all those that kicked him, should Clattenberg have protected him?

"in what way"  alright in the way when the first foul came in by there number 2 book the bastard, show that those kind of challenges went out with the dark ages, but not even a word, is that enough explanation for you.

Admittedly, there was one that evaded a booking. But the three others did not. None of them, from where I was watching, was worthy of a straight red. Should there be a list of players whom the fouling of results in immediate dismissal?
Anyway, judging by the way it started as soon as he came on, unless the Hull team oddly take an interest in the developments of our youth system, I assume directives were handed down from higher up. I look forward to potato head's future contributions in debates over why these islands struggle to develop any mercurial talents of world standing.

I want to see the Jelavic challenge again, from where I was sat it looked a straight red.
I actually thought, up until that point, Clattenburg had a good game.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Dave Cooper please on August 31, 2014, 07:32:44 PM
I felt he was targeted when he came on, some of those 'challenges' were disgraceful.
But, I was a little disappointed some of our senior players (especially the big fuckers) didn't seem to stand up for jack.
At one point Guzan went over and spoke to him, but Senderos or Vlaar should have shown those dirty Hull fuckers that they had Jacks back.

What would be the point, you know that the first tackle in retribution by any of those players would have been a straight red. He coped with it admirably, no need for any of our players to risk getting sent off.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: john2710 on August 31, 2014, 07:38:17 PM
The Jelavic one looked 2 footed & high to me, anyway Jack can take it as a compliment.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: spartacuss on August 31, 2014, 07:39:52 PM
Nice lad: wouldn't doubt that for a minute, but (there's always a 'but'...) I couldn't help noticing, when watching the highlights of Monday's reserve match, that Jack on 2 or 3 occasions when he was fouled, reacted petulantly to Sturke's cloggers.   Naturally he would be annoyed that his silky skills and ball control would not be appreciated by the agricultural responses of Stoke's reserves more 'traditional' playing style.  Jack, having done his time in the trenches of the lower divisions, probably feels that he would have left clogging tackles from opponents behind him and that the Premiership would be above such tactics.

If I were his coach, I would be saying something along the lines of: "Jack, if your opponents detect that you're an easy wind-up and react as you do, they will target you mercilessly until - as sure as moan follows Mourinho - you'll be carded out of the game."

Good on ya Jack:  I take it back!  No petulant responses from him after those determined efforts to shorten him by 18 inches.  Maturing into the team already!
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 31, 2014, 07:42:50 PM
That's an important point. He could have lashed out and didn't. Imagine if that was Ashley Young getting that treatment and the torrent of F bombs and spit that would follow. Jack just smiled as he knew was getting to the Hull players. He's a real talent and clearly has a lot of maturity already. A proper star in the making.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: exigo on August 31, 2014, 07:43:49 PM
From twitter

Jack Grealish @JackGrealish1
Wow what a feeling comin on in the premier league at villa park, the holte end singing my name and winning the game.. Dreams coming true
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: cdbullyweefan on August 31, 2014, 07:45:49 PM
Hull were so violent I forgot which Yorkshire team I was watching for a while and stared shouting "DIRTY LEEDS!"  out of habit
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: saunders_heroes on August 31, 2014, 08:34:25 PM
That's an important point. He could have lashed out and didn't. Imagine if that was Ashley Young getting that treatment and the torrent of F bombs and spit that would follow. Jack just smiled as he knew was getting to the Hull players. He's a real talent and clearly has a lot of maturity already. A proper star in the making.

I don't remember Ashley Young behaving like that.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Shrek on August 31, 2014, 08:35:08 PM
Ow I do.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: saunders_heroes on August 31, 2014, 08:37:20 PM
Ow I do.

Spitting? When?
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: olaftab on August 31, 2014, 08:46:27 PM
The Ash Young at manu not Villa.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Chris Smith on August 31, 2014, 08:59:08 PM
Probably the harshes treatment I've seem towards one player in many a year. To me that's a testoment to his ability. Best of all he got up, brushed himself off and got on with it.

Absolutely, seems to have a great attitude as well as ability. Looks like we have a start in the making.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 31, 2014, 09:00:52 PM
We've got an 18 year old the opposition are worried about. When did that happen before?
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: dave shelley on August 31, 2014, 09:04:05 PM
Brian Little had exactly the same temperament.  I saw him get some right kickings and the reaction was always the same, he would just get up, shake himself down, sometimes smile and then just continue making a monkey out of the bloke who had kicked him.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 31, 2014, 09:04:09 PM
Ow I do.

Spitting? When?

What I meant was so angry and wound up that he spits as he delivers a torrent of abuse. Not literally or intentionally spitting. And yes, more the current version than the one that played for us.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Des Little on August 31, 2014, 09:27:19 PM
We've got an 18 year old the opposition are worried about. When did that happen before?

Nail on head. I can't remember a player causing as much concern amongst the opposition so early in his career. And a Villa fan as well. That really is a hero in the making.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: saunders_heroes on August 31, 2014, 09:47:21 PM
We've got an 18 year old the opposition are worried about. When did that happen before?

They targeted him as soon as he entered the pitch. Obviously the other clubs have been doing their homework on him and are clearly worried.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 31, 2014, 09:49:04 PM
How old was Gabby when he broke through, teams were certainly scared of his pace back then when no-one really knew who he was.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Tony Erdington on August 31, 2014, 10:01:46 PM
ive mentioned about how shit the ref was on the post match clatenburg offered no protection to grealish, so it was open season on the boy.

he does show promise tho, and qwik feet, very good.

In what way, other than booking virtually all those that kicked him, should Clattenberg have protected him?

"in what way"  alright in the way when the first foul came in by there number 2 book the bastard, show that those kind of challenges went out with the dark ages, but not even a word, is that enough explanation for you.

Admittedly, there was one that evaded a booking. But the three others did not. None of them, from where I was watching, was worthy of a straight red. Should there be a list of players whom the fouling of results in immediate dismissal?
Anyway, judging by the way it started as soon as he came on, unless the Hull team oddly take an interest in the developments of our youth system, I assume directives were handed down from higher up. I look forward to potato head's future contributions in debates over why these islands struggle to develop any mercurial talents of world standing.

I want to see the Jelavic challenge again, from where I was sat it looked a straight red.
I actually thought, up until that point, Clattenburg had a good game.

Sorry Nigel, clattercunt never has a good game at vp, and as we were at the game how about when the ball went out at the end of the game for a hull throw in and clattercunt ran to the ball gave it to the hull player, I honestly cant remember seeing any official doing that! in fact how often do you see the lines man with the ball right by their foot just look at it, I am saying surely there is a case of clattercunt bringing the game into disrepute, as by his actions he was certainly aiding hull and that is not the act of an impartial official.

Bottom line he is always against us.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: saunders_heroes on August 31, 2014, 10:14:45 PM
How old was Gabby when he broke through, teams were certainly scared of his pace back then when no-one really knew who he was.

Made his debut under O'Leary in a 4-1 defeat at Everton if I remember rightly. Scored as well.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 31, 2014, 10:18:17 PM
Gabby was 19 when he made his league debut.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: paul_e on September 01, 2014, 10:00:14 AM
https://vine.co/v/OBwuExPLhdE

On that the Quinn one looks the most reckless.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: He wears a magic hat on September 01, 2014, 10:06:22 AM
In a slightly perverse sort of way I really enjoyed seeing the treatment dished out to young Grealish.

Thankfully he wasn't injured and just appeared to laugh it off but it reminded me of what football used to be like when it was a man' game.

Get the first tackle in let him know your here kind of thing. Unfortunately for Jack there was five all trying to have a go.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: The Laughing Policeman on September 01, 2014, 10:20:43 AM
Saw MOTD2 last night and loved the way he got up after one challenge and grinned as if to say "is that your best then?"
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Tony Erdington on September 01, 2014, 10:24:33 AM
In a slightly perverse sort of way I really enjoyed seeing the treatment dished out to young Grealish.

Thankfully he wasn't injured and just appeared to laugh it off but it reminded me of what football used to be like when it was a man' game.

Get the first tackle in let him know your here kind of thing. Unfortunately for Jack there was five all trying to have a go.

tommy johnson came on against liverpool semi final old trafford, got smacked by hughes then ruddock and that was the end of his game, as i recall.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: brian green on September 01, 2014, 10:26:26 AM
Reminds me of Sid at the same age. Seems to wear a cloak of indestructibility.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Jimbo on September 01, 2014, 10:44:36 AM
He reminds me of Lee Hendrie, but without the attitude problem.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: LeeB on September 01, 2014, 10:46:43 AM
He reminds me of Lee Hendrie, but without the attitude problem.

I said to my brother he reminds me of Hendrie.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Jimbo on September 01, 2014, 10:47:52 AM
I think we forget sometimes what a talented player Hendrie was, or could have been.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Clampy on September 01, 2014, 10:47:58 AM
I suppose the test will come when he signs a big new contract and he starts earning serious money.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: berneboy on September 06, 2014, 05:07:41 PM
It's Jack's birthday on Wednesday. 19 years old - blimey.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: berneboy on September 07, 2014, 07:18:31 PM
Brian Little had exactly the same temperament.  I saw him get some right kickings and the reaction was always the same, he would just get up, shake himself down, sometimes smile and then just continue making a monkey out of the bloke who had kicked him.

And he had to retire early because of injury. Let's hope Jack does get looked after properly by the Villa and by refs.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: gervilla on September 07, 2014, 08:53:20 PM
Jack was apparently the stand out performer for the Republic of Ireland U-21's v Germany. We lost 2-0 by the way.
I hope he sticks with us.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Dante Lavelli on September 07, 2014, 08:57:06 PM
Jack was apparently the stand out performer for the Republic of Ireland U-21's v Germany. We lost 2-0 by the way.
I hope he sticks with us.

So do I.  Well one part of me does.  Players seem to turn into complete arseholes once they've played for England.  Less so RoI.
I also feel he'd be less likely to be tapped up with Ireland however there's a long way to go for the lad before that is a problem.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Mister E on September 07, 2014, 10:01:35 PM
Grealish has something of Hendrie and Little about him.
Brian Little is my all-time Villa player and - pretty much - could do no wrong.
I remember taking my then-7 year-old son to see Hendrie play for the Ingerland u21 side at Bradford in 1999; he was the best player on the pitch and had everything in front of him. What a shame.

Let's hope young Jack follows the Little path.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: taylorsworkrate on September 07, 2014, 10:03:23 PM
My immediate advice to Jack would be to ditch the hair and grow a beard.

Beard's automatically make you awesome.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: ozzjim on September 07, 2014, 10:21:17 PM
If he does chose ROI, can he do it after the Scotland games. The idea of Hutton kicking him for 90 minutes scares the life out of me. Much as the Scottish Cafu looks good, I just think he would end up injuring Jack for months!
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: peter w on September 07, 2014, 10:39:08 PM
I hope he chooses England being English (me, that is). plus its another cap to add to our tally.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: DrGonzo on September 07, 2014, 10:53:03 PM
He will never be picked for ING-ER-LAND, being too good.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: OCD on September 07, 2014, 10:56:36 PM
My immediate advice to Jack would be to ditch the hair and grow a beard.

He might not be able to yet.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: UK Redsox on September 09, 2014, 08:13:35 AM
And so it begins................

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/398748/EXCLUSIVE-Chelsea-eye-up-Jack-Grealish-as-Aston-Villa-contract-talks-stall
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Legion on September 09, 2014, 08:15:12 AM
Butter ollocks.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 09, 2014, 08:20:11 AM
Let's hope so, but like Delph it is very very important we get him signed to a new deal.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Ads on September 09, 2014, 09:00:13 AM
Contract negotations have stalled? Tom Fox has only been in the job for a day and he has managed the start negotations and have them stall?

Fox out.

Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Clampy on September 09, 2014, 09:04:49 AM
It's important as to what kind of contract we offer him though. As promising as he looks, giving him a whopping big contract might not be the wisest move for a kid his age..
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Clampy on September 09, 2014, 09:06:50 AM
And so it begins................

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/398748/EXCLUSIVE-Chelsea-eye-up-Jack-Grealish-as-Aston-Villa-contract-talks-stall

I wouldn't worry too much about what's written in that rag. Their idea of headline news is what's happening in the Big Brother house.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: German James on September 09, 2014, 09:11:03 AM
Five grand a week? I'm not surprised he's dragging his heels!
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Boz on September 09, 2014, 09:47:51 AM
And so it begins................

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/398748/EXCLUSIVE-Chelsea-eye-up-Jack-Grealish-as-Aston-Villa-contract-talks-stall

This rag is the worst of all the red tops, so don't place too much credence on what they print, although it doesn't take an Einstein to appreciate Jack's got considerable ability and talent.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: not3bad on September 09, 2014, 12:53:40 PM
Grealish doesn't seem to be the type who wants to get splinters in his arse so going to Chelsea at this stage of his career would seem to be a bit crazy. Unless he just wants to make a fast buck of course.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Ian J on September 09, 2014, 01:41:13 PM
Grealish doesn't seem to be the type who wants to get splinters in his arse so going to Chelsea at this stage of his career would seem to be a bit crazy. Unless he just wants to make a fast buck of course.
Yes but Chelsea would sign him and then send him out on loan somewhere else. The games nuts and wrong on so many levels.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: ktvillan on September 09, 2014, 01:47:30 PM
Chelsea would probably offer to buy him and then lend him back to us. What a come down that would be.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: DrGonzo on September 09, 2014, 02:13:59 PM
  His attitude on loan in the lower reaches last season would suggest that he has a good head on his shoulders and that football is something he loves.  As such I don't think he will .   I think the offer of 10-15k a week for 4 years would seal the deal, especially as contracts tend to be renegotiated with 2 years left on them, putting him at 21 and giving everyone a chance to assess the situation.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Singapore Villa on September 09, 2014, 02:42:47 PM
First piece of business for Tom.

"Jose, do one!"
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on September 09, 2014, 03:32:54 PM
If we have offered him £5k a week, for a 18 year old on the fringes of the 1st team that is more than enough
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Clampy on September 09, 2014, 05:26:34 PM
Mat Kendrick reckons we've offered him a new 4 year contract.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Dante Lavelli on September 09, 2014, 05:54:23 PM
Mat Kendrick reckons we've offered him a new 4 year contract.

5 years at £15k a week.  That's pretty much £4m for Jack and plenty of security for us for the future.
The reality is we'll (hopefully) be renegotiating it most seasons due to his progress but I don't think we should offer him stupid money just yet.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: john e on September 09, 2014, 06:36:30 PM
Mat Kendrick reckons we've offered him a new 4 year contract.

5 years at £15k a week.  That's pretty much £4m for Jack and plenty of security for us for the future.
The reality is we'll (hopefully) be renegotiating it most seasons due to his progress but I don't think we should offer him stupid money just yet.


It'll all be worth it if he does turn out to be the new George Best,
no pressure obviously
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Dave on September 09, 2014, 06:40:23 PM
If we have offered him £5k a week, for a 18 year old on the fringes of the 1st team that is more than enough
Josh McEachran signed his £30,000 per week contract with Chelsea at around the same age. Obviously that's ridiculous and we shouldn't be offering an 18 year old that much money, but with less than a year on his contract he and his agent might be interested in what else might be available.

In the real world £5k per week is more than enough, but this isn't the real world. 
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Ron Manager on September 09, 2014, 07:18:35 PM
Mat Kendrick reckons we've offered him a new 4 year contract.

5 years at £15k a week.  That's pretty much £4m for Jack and plenty of security for us for the future.
The reality is we'll (hopefully) be renegotiating it most seasons due to his progress but I don't think we should offer him stupid money just yet.


It'll all be worth it if he does turn out to be the new George Best,
no pressure obviously

As Bestie was the complete footballer (in his pomp) I dont think we need to worry about that. Young Jack needs to be brought along slowly and we might have a very good footballer on our hands. If he proves to have half the talent George had we are in for a treat.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Jon Crofts on September 09, 2014, 07:32:28 PM
Five grand a week? I'm not surprised he's dragging his heels!

Bloody Irish coming over here earning all that money.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: CorkVilla on September 09, 2014, 07:33:39 PM
Five grand a week? I'm not surprised he's dragging his heels!

Bloody Irish coming over here earning all that money.

Don't think Jack knows if he's Irish or English yet.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Bren'd on September 09, 2014, 07:38:49 PM
Mat Kendrick reckons we've offered him a new 4 year contract.

5 years at £15k a week.  That's pretty much £4m for Jack and plenty of security for us for the future.
The reality is we'll (hopefully) be renegotiating it most seasons due to his progress but I don't think we should offer him stupid money just yet.

Perfect deal for a budding star. I'm almost certain he will sign and with a bit of luck he'll be signing a new improved one year on year.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: German James on September 09, 2014, 07:39:31 PM
I was being facetious. I thought the £5k must be a typo!
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Jon Crofts on September 09, 2014, 07:47:26 PM
Five grand a week? I'm not surprised he's dragging his heels!

Bloody Irish coming over here earning all that money.

Don't think Jack knows if he's Irish or English yet.

Bloody English coming………………hang on a minute.

Does anyone know if it's a simple Irish mom, English dad thing or is it more complex?
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Legion on September 09, 2014, 07:49:05 PM
Quote
Jack Grealish comes from Solihull in the West Midlands. Although being born in England, Grealish has so far opted to represent the Republic of Ireland at international level. He qualifies through his Irish father who is from Dublin and through his grandparents from Kerry, Galway and Dublin. He has represented only the Republic of Ireland since first declaring at 14. He has won caps from U-15 to U-21 level.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Hookeysmith on September 09, 2014, 07:56:40 PM
4 mil by the time you are 23    omfg

my friend said the first time he saw him he reminded him of a very young Best.   High praise Indeed

but for every gabby who has forged a decent prem career for himself there are countless " next best things" that dont.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Percy McCarthy on September 09, 2014, 09:10:40 PM
I have known his dad for years, not well but well enough to speak to on a fair few occasions. I had no idea he was from Dublin as he has a Brummie accent. I suppose he must have come over at a fairly young age. I do know that he is a very passionate Villa supporter.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: olaftab on September 09, 2014, 09:26:48 PM
Happy birthday Jack. 19 at midnight. Spend you next 10  birthdays with the Villa.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: john2710 on September 09, 2014, 09:59:15 PM
It's early days, but I think we have the most naturally talented footballer since Yorke & Barry. Hopefully he'll have the same successfull career & give us his best years. Goodness knows we need something to brighten the place up.

Chelsea can do one, he wants Real Madrid.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 09, 2014, 10:47:27 PM
Sign please Jack.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: The Left Side on September 10, 2014, 03:27:43 AM
Anyone know which school he went to, just curious as an old Silhillian!
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Neil Hawkes on September 10, 2014, 06:29:47 AM
Five grand a week? I'm not surprised he's dragging his heels!

Bloody Irish coming over here earning all that money.

Don't think Jack knows if he's Irish or English yet.

Bloody English coming………………hang on a minute.

Does anyone know if it's a simple Irish mom, English dad thing or is it more complex?

I know it's been answered elsewhere - but if Jack Charlton was still Eires' manager, then our man JG probably had a holiday there once.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Smoke on September 10, 2014, 09:57:45 AM
Anyone know which school he went to, just curious as an old Silhillian!
I was told he went to St Peter's the other day.

Or the Bible Bashers as we called them.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: LeeB on September 10, 2014, 10:03:17 AM
Anyone know which school he went to, just curious as an old Silhillian!
I was told he went to St Peter's the other day.

Or the Bible Bashers as we called them.

I'll find out, they're one of our customers.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: QBVILLA on September 10, 2014, 10:12:20 AM
Grealish doesn't seem to be the type who wants to get splinters in his arse so going to Chelsea at this stage of his career would seem to be a bit crazy. Unless he just wants to make a fast buck of course.

Just been talking about this with a workmate. From a footballing point of view going to Chelsea at this stage of his career would seem a poor decision as he wouldn't get near the first team. However, if it was my son and he was (hypothetically speaking) given the choice of a £30k a week 4 yr deal at Chelsea or a £5k a week four year deal with us i'd be mindful that a footballer's career is one bad challenge away from being over and the chance to financially secure his future may well be the sensible decision.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: AV82EC on September 10, 2014, 11:07:43 AM
Grealish doesn't seem to be the type who wants to get splinters in his arse so going to Chelsea at this stage of his career would seem to be a bit crazy. Unless he just wants to make a fast buck of course.

Just been talking about this with a workmate. From a footballing point of view going to Chelsea at this stage of his career would seem a poor decision as he wouldn't get near the first team. However, if it was my son and he was (hypothetically speaking) given the choice of a £30k a week 4 yr deal at Chelsea or a £5k a week four year deal with us i'd be mindful that a footballer's career is one bad challenge away from being over and the chance to financially secure his future may well be the sensible decision.

But it's such a risk averse strategy. Surely life is about considered risk taking?
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: QBVILLA on September 10, 2014, 11:41:05 AM
Grealish doesn't seem to be the type who wants to get splinters in his arse so going to Chelsea at this stage of his career would seem to be a bit crazy. Unless he just wants to make a fast buck of course.

Just been talking about this with a workmate. From a footballing point of view going to Chelsea at this stage of his career would seem a poor decision as he wouldn't get near the first team. However, if it was my son and he was (hypothetically speaking) given the choice of a £30k a week 4 yr deal at Chelsea or a £5k a week four year deal with us i'd be mindful that a footballer's career is one bad challenge away from being over and the chance to financially secure his future may well be the sensible decision.

But it's such a risk averse strategy. Surely life is about considered risk taking?

I agree to an extent but I can see why players in Grealish's position would choose the big contract option. Take Wayne Bridge and Shaun Wright Phillips as examples. Two exceptionally wealthy blokes who spent the best years of their careers warming the bench at Chelsea and Man City. Grealish's old man as a Villa fan will know about how talented Alex Cropley and Gary Shaw were before their careers were cut short by one bad tackle. Different times I know and as a Villa fan obviously I hope Grealish has the best years of his career with us.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: AV82EC on September 10, 2014, 11:50:00 AM
Grealish doesn't seem to be the type who wants to get splinters in his arse so going to Chelsea at this stage of his career would seem to be a bit crazy. Unless he just wants to make a fast buck of course.

Just been talking about this with a workmate. From a footballing point of view going to Chelsea at this stage of his career would seem a poor decision as he wouldn't get near the first team. However, if it was my son and he was (hypothetically speaking) given the choice of a £30k a week 4 yr deal at Chelsea or a £5k a week four year deal with us i'd be mindful that a footballer's career is one bad challenge away from being over and the chance to financially secure his future may well be the sensible decision.

But it's such a risk averse strategy. Surely life is about considered risk taking?

I agree to an extent but I can see why players in Grealish's position would choose the big contract option. Take Wayne Bridge and Shaun Wright Phillips as examples. Two exceptionally wealthy blokes who spent the best years of their careers warming the bench at Chelsea and Man City. Grealish's old man as a Villa fan will know about how talented Alex Cropley and Gary Shaw were before their careers were cut short by one bad tackle. Different times I know and as a Villa fan obviously I hope Grealish has the best years of his career with us.

I just think it's sad that people with a talent like Jack or the examples you mention would take the easy option and just do it for the money. Maybe if you were 33 or 34 and looking for one last payday to see out your career but at 19?

I suppose my own experiences maybe cloud my thinking, about 6 months ago I had a salary package of probably 3x average UK earnings but hated my job and the company I worked for so I took the reasonably generous redundancy offer and fucked off with no new job to go to and a pretty uncertain future. But at least I was doing what I wanted and wasn't just picking up the money and going through the motions. Then again I suppose everyone has different motivations so who am I to judge?
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Dave on September 10, 2014, 12:29:58 PM
Grealish doesn't seem to be the type who wants to get splinters in his arse so going to Chelsea at this stage of his career would seem to be a bit crazy. Unless he just wants to make a fast buck of course.

Just been talking about this with a workmate. From a footballing point of view going to Chelsea at this stage of his career would seem a poor decision as he wouldn't get near the first team. However, if it was my son and he was (hypothetically speaking) given the choice of a £30k a week 4 yr deal at Chelsea or a £5k a week four year deal with us i'd be mindful that a footballer's career is one bad challenge away from being over and the chance to financially secure his future may well be the sensible decision.

But it's such a risk averse strategy. Surely life is about considered risk taking?
Why doesn't he take the risk then that he is good enough to play for Chelsea? He doesn't strike me as somebody who is lacking in confidence.

At the moment he's still just being (hypothetically) offered two extremely similar jobs. One which means that by the time he is 23 he'll have earned around £1m or £6m depending on which one he chooses.

If somebody does offer him four or five times what we are willing to pay him, I wouldn't blame him for a second if he doesn't pick us.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 10, 2014, 12:37:41 PM
Like I said when we were after Cleverley, I don't blame any player for considering their options when faced with attractive employment opportunities. Grealish is about to make a huge decision, but from a playing standpoint one would think remaining with us gives him the very best opportunity to play consistently at PL level. Chelsea is littered with players who are bought and disappear off the face of the map. A very small percentage make it to first team level.

Personally I believe he'll sign because it makes the best sense for him right now in his career.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: paul_e on September 10, 2014, 12:45:58 PM
Grealish doesn't seem to be the type who wants to get splinters in his arse so going to Chelsea at this stage of his career would seem to be a bit crazy. Unless he just wants to make a fast buck of course.

Just been talking about this with a workmate. From a footballing point of view going to Chelsea at this stage of his career would seem a poor decision as he wouldn't get near the first team. However, if it was my son and he was (hypothetically speaking) given the choice of a £30k a week 4 yr deal at Chelsea or a £5k a week four year deal with us i'd be mindful that a footballer's career is one bad challenge away from being over and the chance to financially secure his future may well be the sensible decision.

But it's such a risk averse strategy. Surely life is about considered risk taking?
Why doesn't he take the risk then that he is good enough to play for Chelsea? He doesn't strike me as somebody who is lacking in confidence.

At the moment he's still just being (hypothetically) offered two extremely similar jobs. One which means that by the time he is 23 he'll have earned around £1m or £6m depending on which one he chooses.

If somebody does offer him four or five times what we are willing to pay him, I wouldn't blame him for a second if he doesn't pick us.

The longer term view being that another year at Villa (after this season) still see him as an under 21 but hopefully by that point with 50-60 premier league appearances to his name.  If he's progressed as we hope he'd then be looking at potentially huge offers.  Take the Chelsea offer now and you run the risk of following the likes of John Bostock where you end up as a 21-22 year old desperately looking to rebuild your career after a few years of being forgotten by a big club.

Aside from that, we've seen 1 particularly shitty redtop suggest an interest from Chelsea and in 2 pages that's escalated to them offering him a 4 year £30k a week contract, get a grip people.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Dave on September 10, 2014, 12:52:12 PM
Aside from that, we've seen 1 particularly shitty redtop suggest an interest from Chelsea and in 2 pages that's escalated to them offering him a 4 year £30k a week contract, get a grip people.
It's very hypothetical. But even without links in the Daily Star, it's not beyond the realms of possibility that a richer club (particularly one with a history of signing highly-rated players very young) might be interested if we've got somebody who both looks pretty good and is soon to be out of contract.

Sorry if you feel if that is something that we shouldn't be talking about.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: paul_e on September 10, 2014, 12:56:07 PM
Aside from that, we've seen 1 particularly shitty redtop suggest an interest from Chelsea and in 2 pages that's escalated to them offering him a 4 year £30k a week contract, get a grip people.
It's very hypothetical. But even without links in the Daily Star, it's not beyond the realms of possibility that a richer club (particularly one with a history of signing highly-rated players very young) might be interested if we've got somebody who both looks pretty good and is soon to be out of contract.

Sorry if you feel if that is something that we shouldn't be talking about.

That's not what I said at all, what I commented on was the assumption that chelsea would automatically throw 6x as much as we would at a young kid with 3 top flight appearances to his name.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 10, 2014, 01:05:15 PM
I think we need to be realistic, Grealish looks a hell of a talent and there are numerous examples of 'big' clubs coming in for players like him. It's really important that Villa offer him an attractive contract to stay and continue his development.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Dave on September 10, 2014, 01:11:32 PM
Aside from that, we've seen 1 particularly shitty redtop suggest an interest from Chelsea and in 2 pages that's escalated to them offering him a 4 year £30k a week contract, get a grip people.
It's very hypothetical. But even without links in the Daily Star, it's not beyond the realms of possibility that a richer club (particularly one with a history of signing highly-rated players very young) might be interested if we've got somebody who both looks pretty good and is soon to be out of contract.

Sorry if you feel if that is something that we shouldn't be talking about.

That's not what I said at all, what I commented on was the assumption that chelsea would automatically throw 6x as much as we would at a young kid with 3 top flight appearances to his name.
It's an amount that they have given to younger players than him with fewer top-flight appearances in the recent past.

They may not "automatically throw" that amount him, but if they were to offer him the same as they have offered others in a similar position I wouldn't blame him it he decided to take it.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: paul_e on September 10, 2014, 01:27:36 PM
I think we need to be realistic, Grealish looks a hell of a talent and there are numerous examples of 'big' clubs coming in for players like him. It's really important that Villa offer him an attractive contract to stay and continue his development.

Which I think we will do, there's clearly going to be interest from other clubs but I think any other offers he gets will be at most a couple of thousand a week more and I'd hope he'll show the same loyalty to us that he did going back to Notts County in January when he had other offers on the table.  I firmly believe we'll see an annoucement of him signing a new deal in the next few weeks.

The other thing to note is that most people on here wanted to see him loaned out again up until the last month or so(I wanted us to give him a month or 2 around the team and then look for a loan in october/november if it was needed), jumping from that to thinking that a couple of sub appearances have made him a prime target for 1.5m a year/4 year deal with Chelsea just seems another case of people finding the worst possible situation and pulling on that particular thread until they convince themselves it's definitely happening.

It happens a lot on here, look how many people were convinced Vlaar was gone to Manu this summer despite no evidence to suggest it was ever going to happen.  All I'm saying is when you you post about these things think through what your actually saying and consider it properly before posting.

To sum up:
We have no evidence that Grealish is anything other than over the moon to be playing for the club he's support all his life
We have no evidence that anyone except us has offered him a deal
If they have we have no evidence that it would be insanely more money than we have offered/will offer shortly

If an offer of £30k a week from Chelsea comes in then fair enough hypothetically that would give him an important decision to make but at this point it's entirely fantasy, people just need to be aware of that before they start packing his bags for him.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Dave on September 10, 2014, 01:37:56 PM
If an offer of £30k a week from Chelsea comes in then fair enough hypothetically that would give him an important decision to make but at this point it's entirely fantasy, people just need to be aware of that before they start packing his bags for him.
There's a big difference between discussing something as a possibility and the sort of pant-wetting hysteria that you seem to be suggesting is happening here.

The bit of your quote that I've put in bold is no different at all to the conversation that we were having when we were told that we needed to 'get a grip'.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: ozzjim on September 10, 2014, 01:38:28 PM
I would hope he will sign his deal at Villa and continue to progress. If he does, then Villa and he will be looking at much, much more money in the future when he reaches his potential.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: paul_e on September 10, 2014, 01:45:53 PM
If an offer of £30k a week from Chelsea comes in then fair enough hypothetically that would give him an important decision to make but at this point it's entirely fantasy, people just need to be aware of that before they start packing his bags for him.
There's a big difference between discussing something as a possibility and the sort of pant-wetting hysteria that you seem to be suggesting is happening here.

The bit of your quote that I've put in bold is no different at all to the conversation that we were having when we were told that we needed to 'get a grip'.

That was intended to be light-hearted but clearly you didn't read it as that, all i meant is that whilst it was a semi-interesting conversation it was bordering on rather fantastical.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: QBVILLA on September 10, 2014, 01:52:27 PM
Well rest easy Paul, I have no influence on Grealish's career, the club's contract offer or indeed chelsea. My comment was in reaction to the speculation that has appeared in the last 24 hours.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Billy Walker on September 10, 2014, 02:27:15 PM
I would hope he will sign his deal at Villa and continue to progress. If he does, then Villa and he will be looking at much, much more money in the future when he reaches his potential.

By then, hopefully, we'll have new owners with the ambition to build a trophy winning team with the likes of Grealish on board.

The other thing to remember with the likes of Grealish is the money he and the club could make through marketing.  He has the star quality to - dare I say it - add to the value of the Villa brand. 
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: dave.woodhall on September 10, 2014, 03:15:07 PM
Exclusive: Jack Grealish offered a new four-year contract by Aston Villa

http://www.waste of paper.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/exclusive-jack-grealish-offered-new-7744403
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 10, 2014, 03:26:29 PM
Well let's hope he stays.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: SoccerHQ on September 10, 2014, 05:52:40 PM
Grealish doesn't seem to be the type who wants to get splinters in his arse so going to Chelsea at this stage of his career would seem to be a bit crazy. Unless he just wants to make a fast buck of course.

Just been talking about this with a workmate. From a footballing point of view going to Chelsea at this stage of his career would seem a poor decision as he wouldn't get near the first team. However, if it was my son and he was (hypothetically speaking) given the choice of a £30k a week 4 yr deal at Chelsea or a £5k a week four year deal with us i'd be mindful that a footballer's career is one bad challenge away from being over and the chance to financially secure his future may well be the sensible decision.

Play well in the premier league and he'll get a bumper pay rise before too long with us. Remember Barry when he was breaking thorough seemed to sign a new contract every season.

Plus 30k a week at Chelsea, really? I doubt their youth prospects are paid anywhere near that even if they are loaded. Same with Cleverley only earning 30k a week at Man. United.

Just because we've paid out some ridiculous wages over the years dosen't mean everyone else does.

I'm pretty confident Grealish will sign. This is the right place for him currently.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: QBVILLA on September 10, 2014, 07:34:31 PM
I mentioned £30k as that was the figure that had been mentioned with regards to McEachran a page or two back. I seem to recall Luke Moore getting a £17k a week (according to the press) almost ten years ago so £30k a week from Chelsea seems plausible. Anyway it's hopefully all irrelevant and he signs a new deal with us.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: olaftab on September 10, 2014, 09:17:21 PM
Exclusive: Jack Grealish offered a new four-year contract by Aston Villa

http://www.waste of paper.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/exclusive-jack-grealish-offered-new-7744403
Good.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: john2710 on September 10, 2014, 10:04:21 PM
I would be stunned if;

a) we didn't offer Jack a contract that represents where he is now in his career & recognises his potential (nothing like £30k a week)

b) that, at this point, he would turn such a contract down to get more money elsewhere

Both him & his old fella are diehard Villa nuts, he'll continue his development here. The future will take care of itself.

Hopefully he'll also pick Ireland (much less likely)
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Matt Collins on September 10, 2014, 10:16:02 PM
Pretty relaxed on this one. Think he wants to stay and will get games
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Bren'd on September 10, 2014, 10:25:16 PM
Anyone know which school he went to, just curious as an old Silhillian!
I was told he went to St Peter's the other day.

Or the Bible Bashers as we called them.

I'll find out, they're one of our customers.

He was in the same year or even class as my nephew so no need for forensics on this one.  He could then also have been tuitioned by my mate's daughter which makes me feel ancient.  I wasn't aware he was actually born in Dublin which would make him a "Jack" as well as a Jack.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: jcsutv on September 11, 2014, 12:21:23 AM
Our Lady of Compassion and St Peters. Not a bad combination if you ask me. What do you think TLS?
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: jcsutv on September 11, 2014, 12:31:54 AM
Our Lady of Compassion and St Peters. Not a bad combination if you ask me. What do you think TLS?

Oh, and his little sister is in your nieces class!
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: The Left Side on September 11, 2014, 03:46:10 AM
Our Lady of Compassion and St Peters. Not a bad combination if you ask me. What do you think TLS?

Oh, and his little sister is in your nieces class!

haha brilliant stuff, you must have seen him at OLC from time to time.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Neil Hawkes on September 11, 2014, 09:58:27 AM
From The Big Interview in Birmingham Mail, our Jack on Roy Keanes' influence:

He explained: “To be honest, at the beginning, I didn’t even think Roy would like me because of the type of player I am.

“On the first day of training, I didn’t start the session that well and he tapped me on the shoulder after a half an hour.

He said: “Are you alright?” and I replied “yeah”. And then he asked me: “When do you start training then?”

“That put me under pressure straight away then. He was only bantering but I wondered was he being a little bit serious here.

Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: robbo1874 on September 11, 2014, 11:50:57 AM
I think he'll sign a new deal and hopefully (injury permitting) will do very well for us.

Ha ha, imagine having to rock up to BH and explain to Roy keane how you'd turned down a new deal and regular first team football to go and warm Chelsea's bench!

In the bag I reckon.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: rjp on September 11, 2014, 12:21:12 PM
He posted this an hour ago.  Hopefully he's referring to the Chelski link.

Quote
Jack Grealish @JackGrealish1
The way things can get blown out of proportion in newspapers is a joke.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: tomd2103 on September 11, 2014, 12:41:03 PM
I think he'll sign a new deal and hopefully (injury permitting) will do very well for us.

Ha ha, imagine having to rock up to BH and explain to Roy keane how you'd turned down a new deal and regular first team football to go and warm Chelsea's bench!

In the bag I reckon.

I just hope PL is bold enough to utilise him properly.  I think sticking him out on the wing is a bit of a cop out really and would really like to see him played in the "number 10" position. 
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: olaftab on September 11, 2014, 12:41:39 PM
He said: “Are you alright?” and I replied “yeah”. And then he asked me: “When do you start training then?”

I like this. Yes make them think!
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Ger Regan on September 11, 2014, 01:24:52 PM
He posted this an hour ago.  Hopefully he's referring to the Chelski link.

Quote
Jack Grealish @JackGrealish1
The way things can get blown out of proportion in newspapers is a joke.
Presume it's related to the "plastic paddy" thing.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Gregorys Boy on September 11, 2014, 04:25:26 PM
Important to get this sort of talent signed up early.  That he is involved in the squad right now, and has grown up at the club should be enough to keep him here for awhile.  Not sure how serous the Chelsea interest is, but it should be pointed out to him that he would hardly get a look in there and needs to stay put and devolep his game at Villa.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: dave.woodhall on September 11, 2014, 04:27:38 PM
He says he wants to stay in the Mail.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: N'ZMAV on September 11, 2014, 04:37:09 PM
Good stuff :)
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Somniloquism on September 11, 2014, 04:50:28 PM
He says he wants to stay in the Mail.

Is that one of those quotes where when he doesn't sign, the club can be blamed because he wanted to stay but they never offered the required money.

Sorry don't mean to be on a downer but the links in the other threads show that it isn't a choice between getting the Money or playing football nowadays, instead he will just be the 29th player on loan from them next season.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: tom jennings III on September 11, 2014, 04:53:27 PM
Not sure if I can say how I know this but apparently he was up watching Villa away at Old Trafford in Fergie's second to last season and Fergie sent Rio to unofficially tap him up (after the game Rio took Grealish & his family out for dinner etc...).  This would have been when Jack was 14?
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Gregorys Boy on September 11, 2014, 04:55:34 PM
He says he wants to stay in the Mail.

Is that one of those quotes where when he doesn't sign, the club can be blamed because he wanted to stay but they never offered the required money.

Sorry don't mean to be on a downer but the links in the other threads show that it isn't a choice between getting the Money or playing football nowadays, instead he will just be the 29th player on loan from them next season.

Difference is he has already showed more promise for us than most of the players who have been sent out on loan.  Depends how we handle him this season, as long as we don't give him too much too soon, and he carries on improve then I don't see why he can't still be involved next season.  Gabby was only 19 when he debuted after all.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Gregorys Boy on September 11, 2014, 04:56:30 PM
Not sure if I can say how I know this but apparently he was up watching Villa away at Old Trafford in Fergie's second to last season and Fergie sent Rio to unofficially tap him up (after the game Rio took Grealish & his family out for dinner etc...).  This would have been when Jack was 14?

Quite a story if true, but it matters not now we got him.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: tom jennings III on September 11, 2014, 05:00:10 PM
Totally agree, they can poke off!
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 11, 2014, 06:50:09 PM
Hopefully Grealish and Delph will sign news deals in the next week.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Mister E on September 11, 2014, 07:23:01 PM
He says he wants to stay in the Mail.
Is that the Mail Box?
I'm sure the club can rent an apartment for him there, can't they?
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 11, 2014, 11:56:24 PM
He posted this an hour ago.  Hopefully he's referring to the Chelski link.

Quote
Jack Grealish @JackGrealish1
The way things can get blown out of proportion in newspapers is a joke.
Presume it's related to the "plastic paddy" thing.

I think it was that thing he posted about a birthday cake, and some web site turned it into a sarcastic comment about Yaya Toure.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: ozzjim on September 12, 2014, 01:51:26 AM
Anyone else think there is a massively different feel to Grealish and the way he is being reported on, talked about and the profile he has compared to pretty much most of the youth players coming through that I can recall? He seems to be on that kind of "destined to be a star" footing that not many young players are put on. Don't think I am describing it well, but the hype and interest in him, outside of fans and the club, seems significantly more than for any other youngster I can recall at Villa. Maybe Hendrie was as highly thought of with his U21 exploits and early England cap.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Matt C on September 12, 2014, 02:54:36 AM
I'd agree with that. There's a sense of potential greatness in the air.

No pressure, Jack.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: paul_e on September 12, 2014, 09:44:53 AM
Everyone I know who's seen him play (and isn't a villa fan) has commented how good he looks, the only other players I've seen that kind of universal positive feedback on are Yorke and Benteke.  There is definitely a feeling that we've got someone a bit special on our hands, I hope the pressure that's coming will push him on rather than crush him, if this works out well it's going to be great to watch his rise.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: ClaretAndBlueBlood on September 12, 2014, 09:50:26 AM
Not sure if I can say how I know this but apparently he was up watching Villa away at Old Trafford in Fergie's second to last season and Fergie sent Rio to unofficially tap him up (after the game Rio took Grealish & his family out for dinner etc...).  This would have been when Jack was 14?

go on, you can say how you know that, we wont tell anyone.......
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: CJ on September 12, 2014, 09:53:35 AM
I think that's very true Ozzjim. I was shocked how Hull hunted him down mercilessly. It seems pretty clear they were acting under instruction from Bruce so he seems to already have a 'potential danger man' reputation, especially for a young player who's only just broken through to the senior squad. Fingers crossed he's that star for us
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: tom jennings III on September 12, 2014, 10:19:35 AM
Not sure if I can say how I know this but apparently he was up watching Villa away at Old Trafford in Fergie's second to last season and Fergie sent Rio to unofficially tap him up (after the game Rio took Grealish & his family out for dinner etc...).  This would have been when Jack was 14?

It doesn't really matter does it? Prepare for the tenuous link, my mate's gf's parents put up Villa youth players in their house so I hear all sorts of things 3rd/4th hand!

go on, you can say how you know that, we wont tell anyone.......
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 12, 2014, 10:21:36 AM
There is definitely more about him than just another good youngster.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: QBVILLA on September 12, 2014, 11:17:38 AM
I think that's very true Ozzjim. I was shocked how Hull hunted him down mercilessly. It seems pretty clear they were acting under instruction from Bruce so he seems to already have a 'potential danger man' reputation, especially for a young player who's only just broken through to the senior squad. Fingers crossed he's that star for us

As a positive though his reaction to each of those challenges was superb. No rolling around, no moaning just straight back up with a smile. That shows something about his attitude.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: supertom on September 12, 2014, 11:52:44 AM
I think that's very true Ozzjim. I was shocked how Hull hunted him down mercilessly. It seems pretty clear they were acting under instruction from Bruce so he seems to already have a 'potential danger man' reputation, especially for a young player who's only just broken through to the senior squad. Fingers crossed he's that star for us

As a positive though his reaction to each of those challenges was superb. No rolling around, no moaning just straight back up with a smile. That shows something about his attitude.
That really impressed me too, also more so because he didn't retreat into his shell. He kept on going and wasn't intimidated by what was a pretty blatant hatchet job. He's tougher than he looks. He just seems to have a very steady and confident demeanour. Different to someone like Albrighton as an example, who when things didn't go his way he seemed to just lose confidence quickly. That happens to a lot of young players if they can't maintain a bright start. I sense with Jack that he'll keep taking players on, looking for passes and trying to make things happen. He won't shy away in games. At least I hope he won't.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 12, 2014, 12:29:42 PM
There is definitely more about him than just another good youngster.

I think it reflects really well on him that he went to play in league one for a while with Notts County and did extremely well there.

If you look at our other highly rated youth products of recent years, how many of them have had memorable loan spells?

That's not to say that Grealish is bound to succeed or that the others are doomed (didn't Gabby fail to make much impression on loan - wasn't it Sheff Weds?) just that the fact he's done it and looked good, and in his few appearances in the Premier League has looked totally unfazed by it, is very promising.

I like him a lot. I hope we get his contract sorted out as a matter of urgency.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 12, 2014, 12:39:33 PM
It's his movement and intelligence with the ball that I find most appealing about his emerging talent. His ability to simply glide past players at this level is incredibly impressive. And he knew exactly what he was doing against Hull. He knew that he could affect the game and slow down the opponents who at that stage were getting on top of us by sacrificing his body. That will sit very well with his teammates and garner him tremendous respect in the changing room and in training. When the opponents fear you and take those measures it's a veiled sign of respect.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 12, 2014, 01:08:30 PM
It's his movement and intelligence with the ball that I find most appealing about his emerging talent. His ability to simply glide past players at this level is incredibly impressive. And he knew exactly what he was doing against Hull. He knew that he could affect the game and slow down the opponents who at that stage were getting on top of us by sacrificing his body. That will sit very well with his teammates and garner him tremendous respect in the changing room and in training. When the opponents fear you and take those measures it's a veiled sign of respect.

That's the thing, he just looks totally unbothered.

Coming on in a PL match, for the team you support and have been at since you were nine years old, with the match pretty finely poised at that point, with experienced top flight footballers kicking lumps out of you - to do all that and totally take it in your stride (see him laughing at some of the hacking?) is something which deserves a lot of respect.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: paul_e on September 12, 2014, 01:51:30 PM
Of everything in the Hull game the bit that impressed me most was the jelavic booking, if you watch it again you can see that Jack knew if he went ahead with what he was doing he was going to take a kick and he just went with it but was clearly ready for the challenge.  If he's got the sense to see the challenges coming and roll with them like that already it's a great sign, he's clearly used to being given a bit of a roughing up, I think teams will realise it's ineffective before long and start showing him a lot more respect.

As TV said above, the most impressive thing about him is the way he glides over the pitch, there's something effortless about it, it reminds me of Seedorf who had the same ability to never look like he was in a rush, regardless of how quickly he was running.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: teamvillage on September 12, 2014, 02:02:00 PM


If you look at our other highly rated youth products of recent years, how many of them have had memorable loan spells?

Cahill is the only one that springs to mind
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: IAmTheOneIanOlney on September 12, 2014, 02:06:38 PM
I think Bannan was well liked at Blackpool.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Mister E on September 12, 2014, 04:58:52 PM
The mediafest begins:
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/sep/12/jack-grealish-real-deal-aston-villa

Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: richard moore on September 12, 2014, 05:11:11 PM
The mediafest begins:
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/sep/12/jack-grealish-real-deal-aston-villa



Patronising twat, we're not all here to make up the numbers for that obnoxious bunch of shits in West London
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: PeterWithe on September 13, 2014, 08:10:39 AM
Seems fair enough to me.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: DrGonzo on September 13, 2014, 08:27:21 AM
I thought it was a good article.  As long as he is happy at Villa he'll sign a new contract and Chelsea can go whistle. 
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Dave on September 13, 2014, 08:54:08 AM
The mediafest begins:
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/sep/12/jack-grealish-real-deal-aston-villa



Patronising twat, we're not all here to make up the numbers for that obnoxious bunch of shits in West London
What on earth are you talking about?
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: silhillvilla on September 13, 2014, 09:16:29 AM
I think Bannan was well liked at Blackpool.
Along the strip maybe
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Ian J on September 13, 2014, 09:23:23 AM
The mediafest begins:
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/sep/12/jack-grealish-real-deal-aston-villa


I thought that was a good, well written and very positive read. It makes a change to have something exciting to think about.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: hipkiss92 on September 13, 2014, 09:25:37 AM
The mediafest begins:
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/sep/12/jack-grealish-real-deal-aston-villa



Don't know why the tweet about the cake would increase our trepidation about losing him, just sounds like he's got a good sense of humour.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: nodge on September 13, 2014, 09:33:43 AM
The mediafest begins:
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/sep/12/jack-grealish-real-deal-aston-villa


I thought that was a good, well written and very positive read. It makes a change to have something exciting to think about.

I thought it was a good read too and was impressed that he knows what a coddle is.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: martyn ellis on September 13, 2014, 09:46:52 AM
Go on then, tell us - what's a coddle?
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: brontebilly on September 13, 2014, 09:48:39 AM
The mediafest begins:
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/sep/12/jack-grealish-real-deal-aston-villa


I thought that was a good, well written and very positive read. It makes a change to have something exciting to think about.

I thought it was a good read too and was impressed that he knows what a coddle is.

The guy who wrote it is Irish so surprised if he didn't.

Disappointed in Grealish with making himself unavailable to the Irish team with whom he had been playing underage for years.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: peter w on September 13, 2014, 12:23:46 PM
He's not Irish so why should you be disappointed by it? If his actual country wants him then he's bound to stop and think. Doesn't mean he'll turn his back on the Irish but I hope he does.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Gregorys Boy on September 13, 2014, 12:52:43 PM
While it would be great seeing him play for England from his point of view it maybe best to go with Ireland.   At the moment England are quite strong when it comes pacey young wingers.  Plus it looks like Ireland maybe much better than England in years to come :-[
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Dante Lavelli on September 13, 2014, 08:35:10 PM
Plus it looks like Ireland maybe much better than England in years to come :-[

What makes you think that?  I'd guess that their players will be stifled by the same premier league which is preventing english players coming through.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Ger Regan on September 14, 2014, 12:30:38 PM
Jack = Fr. Damo (http://balls.ie/football/jack-grealish-practicing-father-ted-faces-bench-today/)
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Monty on September 14, 2014, 12:31:32 PM
Jack = Fr. Damo (http://balls.ie/football/jack-grealish-practicing-father-ted-faces-bench-today/)

I have been thinking this for weeks. I think they're the same person.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Smirker on November 30, 2014, 04:44:59 AM
If he'd have scored that volley yesterday I think my head would have exploded.

I think he did alright for a brief cameo. Want to see him start matches very soon.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: saunders_heroes on November 30, 2014, 07:51:02 AM
He's not Irish so why should you be disappointed by it? If his actual country wants him then he's bound to stop and think. Doesn't mean he'll turn his back on the Irish but I hope he does.

I can only speak for myself but I was born in Birmingham yet all my family are Irish as far back as any of us can find. I haven't a single drop of English blood in me, therefore I class myself as Irish. It's a bit simplistic to suggest that your nationality is based solely on where you're born don't you think?
Someone once said, just because you were born in a barn doesn't necessarily mean you're a horse.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Billy Walker on November 30, 2014, 11:43:06 AM
He's not Irish so why should you be disappointed by it? If his actual country wants him then he's bound to stop and think. Doesn't mean he'll turn his back on the Irish but I hope he does.

I can only speak for myself but I was born in Birmingham yet all my family are Irish as far back as any of us can find. I haven't a single drop of English blood in me, therefore I class myself as Irish. It's a bit simplistic to suggest that your nationality is based solely on where you're born don't you think?
Someone once said, just because you were born in a barn doesn't necessarily mean you're a horse.

Same here saunders_heroes - nationality is a far more complex issue than simply being a matter of where you happened to be born.  There's a big Irish community in Birmingham and I would be immensely proud to see Jack represent that community in both the Villa and Irish shirts.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Ads on November 30, 2014, 11:45:38 AM
That was the Duke of Wellington, born in Ireland, but an Englishman nonetheless. Certainly not a horse in any event.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: peter w on November 30, 2014, 01:24:31 PM
He's not Irish so why should you be disappointed by it? If his actual country wants him then he's bound to stop and think. Doesn't mean he'll turn his back on the Irish but I hope he does.

I can only speak for myself but I was born in Birmingham yet all my family are Irish as far back as any of us can find. I haven't a single drop of English blood in me, therefore I class myself as Irish. It's a bit simplistic to suggest that your nationality is based solely on where you're born don't you think?
Someone once said, just because you were born in a barn doesn't necessarily mean you're a horse.

True but I don't think this would have reached this point if he hadn't questioned whether he is Irish. I think he thinks he's English and a possible calling from England would have been tempting. But he's thrown his lot back in with the Irish. Good luck to him and I hope he succeeds with them as long as he's a Villa player. I just wish he'd have chosen England.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Billy Walker on November 30, 2014, 01:44:24 PM
He's not Irish so why should you be disappointed by it? If his actual country wants him then he's bound to stop and think. Doesn't mean he'll turn his back on the Irish but I hope he does.



I can only speak for myself but I was born in Birmingham yet all my family are Irish as far back as any of us can find. I haven't a single drop of English blood in me, therefore I class myself as Irish. It's a bit simplistic to suggest that your nationality is based solely on where you're born don't you think?
Someone once said, just because you were born in a barn doesn't necessarily mean you're a horse.

True but I don't think this would have reached this point if he hadn't questioned whether he is Irish. I think he thinks he's English and a possible calling from England would have been tempting. But he's thrown his lot back in with the Irish. Good luck to him and I hope he succeeds with them as long as he's a Villa player. I just wish he'd have chosen England.

When did he question himself over his Irishness?  I must have missed that. 
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: peter w on November 30, 2014, 02:03:48 PM
I'm just supposing that the reason he didn't immediately declare himself as irish when Southgate, I believe, was making noises because of him being unsure whether he felt English or Irish. Just how I read it anyway.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 30, 2014, 04:12:04 PM
The boy has talent, he has a habit though of having done something good of standing back and admiring his work.

He has got to make a play and then look for the ball again.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Mister E on November 30, 2014, 05:38:58 PM
The boy has talent, he has a habit though of having done something good of standing back and admiring his work.

He has got to make a play and then look for the ball again.
agreed.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Handsworth Wood Villa on November 30, 2014, 06:24:27 PM
He's not Irish so why should you be disappointed by it? If his actual country wants him then he's bound to stop and think. Doesn't mean he'll turn his back on the Irish but I hope he does.

I can only speak for myself but I was born in Birmingham yet all my family are Irish as far back as any of us can find. I haven't a single drop of English blood in me, therefore I class myself as Irish. It's a bit simplistic to suggest that your nationality is based solely on where you're born don't you think?
Someone once said, just because you were born in a barn doesn't necessarily mean you're a horse.

Danny Welbeck doesn't have a single drop of English blood in him, therefore he should be playing for Ghana?
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Smirker on November 30, 2014, 06:27:23 PM
I think if you were born here and raised here you are an English person of whatever descent.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: aev on November 30, 2014, 06:33:26 PM
It is the Tebbit cricket test.

Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Ger Regan on November 30, 2014, 07:09:21 PM
He's not Irish so why should you be disappointed by it? If his actual country wants him then he's bound to stop and think. Doesn't mean he'll turn his back on the Irish but I hope he does.

I can only speak for myself but I was born in Birmingham yet all my family are Irish as far back as any of us can find. I haven't a single drop of English blood in me, therefore I class myself as Irish. It's a bit simplistic to suggest that your nationality is based solely on where you're born don't you think?
Someone once said, just because you were born in a barn doesn't necessarily mean you're a horse.

Danny Welbeck doesn't have a single drop of English blood in him, therefore he should be playing for Ghana?
If he more closely associates with Ghana than England then yes.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: saunders_heroes on November 30, 2014, 08:03:10 PM
He's not Irish so why should you be disappointed by it? If his actual country wants him then he's bound to stop and think. Doesn't mean he'll turn his back on the Irish but I hope he does.

I can only speak for myself but I was born in Birmingham yet all my family are Irish as far back as any of us can find. I haven't a single drop of English blood in me, therefore I class myself as Irish. It's a bit simplistic to suggest that your nationality is based solely on where you're born don't you think?
Someone once said, just because you were born in a barn doesn't necessarily mean you're a horse.

Danny Welbeck doesn't have a single drop of English blood in him, therefore he should be playing for Ghana?

It's not up to me to tell anyone who they should play for. Actually I don't understand your point.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Legion on November 30, 2014, 08:06:44 PM
Troll alert.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: saunders_heroes on November 30, 2014, 08:14:19 PM
I think if you were born here and raised here you are an English person of whatever descent.

Life isn't quite as simple as that though. It's almost like you're telling people to completely ignore and dismiss your background and culture. It ain't gonna happen.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Billy Walker on November 30, 2014, 08:30:14 PM
I think if you were born here and raised here you are an English person of whatever descent.

It's not necessarily a matter of where you were born, more a matter of how you are raised.  Although born in the UK, I would be taken backwards and forwards to Ireland for every school holiday and family occasion.  My grandparents, aunts, uncles cousins - everyone - were over there and there was absolutely no chance that I was going to have any other identity than Irish.  I'd imagine this is not an uncommon experience for children of migrants.   I went to school with Spanish, Italian and Polish kids and they would all have been of a similar mindset in regard to their nationality.

 I live back  in Ireland now and there's plenty of children born here from other European/African/Asian backgrounds - whether they would class themselves as Irish or not is entirely down to themselves, their personal experience and upbringing.  I don't think national identity is something that anyone has the right to force on someone.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Handsworth Wood Villa on November 30, 2014, 08:54:01 PM
He's not Irish so why should you be disappointed by it? If his actual country wants him then he's bound to stop and think. Doesn't mean he'll turn his back on the Irish but I hope he does.

I can only speak for myself but I was born in Birmingham yet all my family are Irish as far back as any of us can find. I haven't a single drop of English blood in me, therefore I class myself as Irish. It's a bit simplistic to suggest that your nationality is based solely on where you're born don't you think?
Someone once said, just because you were born in a barn doesn't necessarily mean you're a horse.

Danny Welbeck doesn't have a single drop of English blood in him, therefore he should be playing for Ghana?

It's not up to me to tell anyone who they should play for. Actually I don't understand your point.

Just saying that if you base it on "blood" then Welbeck has no English blood, Ozil has no German blood, Zidane has no French blood etc.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: olaftab on November 30, 2014, 09:00:33 PM
What's English blood or for that matter French, Irish, Peruvian, Indian etc etc?
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Monty on November 30, 2014, 09:12:21 PM
Wellington said that phrase about the barn and the horse (allegedly), because he was born in Ireland but didn't want people to think he was Irish. You can have a cultural background of whatever you can think of, but if you don't live in a country and never have you have no real claim on being a part of it. You become a part of a cultural diaspora, which is quite different.

Unless you have a passport and dual nationality. Which gets confusing.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: adrenachrome on November 30, 2014, 09:37:06 PM
Reminds me of when somebody on HIGNFY accused the insufferable Hislop of being Welsh because he was born there.

The the little fella was not pleased, I can tell you. Took umbrage, so he did. Thought  he would burst a blood vessel.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: manic-road on January 05, 2015, 09:10:41 AM
I know a lot of people on here have been calling for Grealish to be in the team and not on the bench but after watching him yesterday against Blackpool a poor bottom of the Championship team he looked lightweight with no end product. If he is going to be in the first team he will have to play a lot better than that. Nzogbia looked a lot more of a threat when he came on.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Boz on January 05, 2015, 09:15:54 AM
I know a lot of people on here have been calling for Grealish to be in the team and not on the bench but after watching him yesterday against Blackpool a poor bottom of the Championship team he looked lightweight with no end product. If he is going to be in the first team he will have to play a lot better than that. Nzogbia looked a lot more of a threat when he came on.

Sad but true. I thought he'd shine against poor quality opponents but he failed to show his ability.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: paul_e on January 05, 2015, 09:26:30 AM
The only thing I'd say is that it's his first start for 4 months, it's really not fair to give him 1 start and then judge that he's not ready to get any more when he was no worse than other people who have been starting regularly.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Legion on January 05, 2015, 09:26:43 AM
By his own admission he had a bad game.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: supertom on January 05, 2015, 09:38:09 AM
He'll have better games and he's only 19 he'll have a few stinkers too. But lets face it, no one particularly came out smelling of roses yesterday. I actually think he'll find it easier in the Prem as most of the opposition won't sit back so deep against us like Blackpool evidently did.
His last three cameos in the Prem have been positive and he's made a difference in each. He deserves a league start. One bad game in the cup doesn't change this.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: seanthevillan on January 05, 2015, 11:44:24 AM
I thought Grealish was a little bit disappointing, but still contributed some of our best moments - the run and cross in the first half, and the pass to benteke. Both were when he was running at the defense, and not turning against 2/3 defenders on the touchline.

Didn't get much space in the second half and didn't go past his man much, but I think he'll still be a good between the lines type of player, the key is creating space as a team.

Benteke was having a real mare in the first half - one horror moment when he was running and the ball bounced off his heels. The difference is he came back strong and won the game, Grealish seemed to let it get to him and faced.

Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Lee on January 05, 2015, 11:50:12 AM
He's the only player in the team yesterday that at least tries to commit defenders by running at them.

He wasn't great at times yesterday, but with more game time he will only get better and better at this level.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Witton Warrior on January 05, 2015, 12:12:54 PM
Yesterday he received the ball too late, he gets double-teamed by the defence and then often a third as he runs along the box. Much preferred him getting to the bye-line. He goes down a bit easy to gain the free-kicks he seems to be looking for as well (learning off Benteke?). Like his corners but we didn't have one for him to take yesterday. Both he and Cole showed some runs but are seldom picked up.

He will be an OK player for us I think but not the Second Coming we all hope for.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: joe_c on January 05, 2015, 02:07:05 PM
He was on the receiving end of some heavy tackles too which won't have helped his game but yes, he looked surprisingly ineffective after some encouraging appearances off the bench. I do worry that he may be Lee Hendrie Mk II.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 05, 2015, 02:10:34 PM
He was on the receiving end of some heavy tackles too which won't have helped his game but yes, he looked surprisingly ineffective after some encouraging appearances off the bench. I do worry that he may be Lee Hendrie Mk II.

If he plays as many games as Hendrie did for us I'd say he'd have a decent career ahead of him.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: supertom on January 05, 2015, 04:23:52 PM
He was on the receiving end of some heavy tackles too which won't have helped his game but yes, he looked surprisingly ineffective after some encouraging appearances off the bench. I do worry that he may be Lee Hendrie Mk II.

If he plays as many games as Hendrie did for us I'd say he'd have a decent career ahead of him.
I'd take Hendrie Mk II at this point. He was a good little player on his day. We didn't always help him by playing him in rigid 4-4-2's as a wide man. I would also hope Jack will be more level headed. Lil Lee still managed about 300 games for us in the end IIRC. For someone so often easily dismissed, that's not bad going. When we were good, he tended to be good and in form. He scored some of the best goals this club has seen in the past 20 years too to be fair.

So I hope we've got Hendrie II in Grealish.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: supertom on January 05, 2015, 04:36:05 PM

Good excuse to whip this out.

I'd actually argue that Jack could potentially be the most naturally gifted player we've produced since Hendrie. So fingers crossed he can produce something similar. It didn't always work out for Lee, partly his fault, partly archaic managers who would often sacrifice him for more physical, defensively industrious players, but I think he had a good career.
There are a couple of players I often wonder about, and how good they could have been playing under more progressive managers in more expressive formations (which have now become the norm), as opposed to mostly playing Four, four, fucking two. One is Hendrie and the other is Angel. Hendrie could have been a great number 10. Pablo was superb on his day too, but when we often resorted to using him as a back to goal target man, he struggled.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 05, 2015, 06:35:41 PM
I think he needs to be given more than one start before judging him. This season and next should be bedding him in and then towards the end of next season we should start seeing him grow as a player.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on January 05, 2015, 06:38:39 PM
He has a nice new contract and we have him locked in. Its crazy to expect him to be a world beater or write him off at this stage. Assuming he keeps getting some nice little cameos this season he will develop and over time we will see.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: supertom on January 05, 2015, 06:44:05 PM
He has a nice new contract and we have him locked in. Its crazy to expect him to be a world beater or write him off at this stage. Assuming he keeps getting some nice little cameos this season he will develop and over time we will see.
Despite an underwhelming performance against Blackpool he still warrants a start against Leicester. He's done enough in his last three League cameos to earn it.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 05, 2015, 06:45:49 PM
It's quite strange how in his 2 starts, both against lower league opposition, he has been at best average, and yet looks so decent in so many of his sub appearances. I'd still give him a go against Leicester.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: silhillvilla on January 05, 2015, 06:50:18 PM
It's all part of the learning curve.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on January 05, 2015, 06:52:47 PM
Play him off the bench sure, not sure he should start though. Although our options are somewhat limited.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on January 05, 2015, 06:58:26 PM
He'll have better games and he's only 19 he'll have a few stinkers too. But lets face it, no one particularly came out smelling of roses yesterday. I actually think he'll find it easier in the Prem as most of the opposition won't sit back so deep against us like Blackpool evidently did.
His last three cameos in the Prem have been positive and he's made a difference in each. He deserves a league start. One bad game in the cup doesn't change this.

Agree 100% supertom.
I admit to be one of those calling for him to start over the last week or so. He got his start - against a Championship team - but was disappointing.
He needs "managing" and I'd like to think that's what Lambert is doing (at the cost of managing anything else!) but I'd be tempted to give him another go v Leicester, if we have a positive plan!
It's no good just chucking him in and saying "have a go son", which is what I fear (and can easily imagine) Lambert doing.
As we don't seem to have had a plan since Plop away, I look forward with considerable fear to seeing how team selection, tactics, Grealish and overall performance will work out on Saturday!
If he struggles, bring him off, but with an effective, different replacement - Gabby?


But, somehow, I think Gabby will be starting.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Ian J on January 05, 2015, 07:43:22 PM
The more game time he gets the better he'll get (without over doing it of course).
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: London Villan on January 05, 2015, 07:48:11 PM
I known someone that knows his dad, and Jack was told before he signed his new deal he would be used sparingly over the season. Which is a pretty sensible way of developing a promising youngster.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 05, 2015, 08:14:20 PM
I think it is important that he gets lots of twenty minute cameos, otherwise he'd be better off on loan in the Championship.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: supertom on January 05, 2015, 09:57:05 PM
It's quite strange how in his 2 starts, both against lower league opposition, he has been at best average, and yet looks so decent in so many of his sub appearances. I'd still give him a go against Leicester.
To be fair the rest of the side tend to end up looking a dogs dinner anytime we play lower league opposition under Lambert. We seem to end up looking even shitter than we do in the league. We made hard work of it against Blackpool, but thankfully got through.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: dekko on January 06, 2015, 10:37:10 AM
It's quite strange how in his 2 starts, both against lower league opposition, he has been at best average, and yet looks so decent in so many of his sub appearances. I'd still give him a go against Leicester.

He's had a lot more space to run into v prem sides (Leicester and Hull were chasing equalisers when he came on so he wasn't trying to beat 3 or 4 defenders each time).

I thought watching him against blackpool was like watching Nzogbia - might beat the odd player, but he'll always lose it before you get any end product).  The difference is Jack is a decade younger, so has an excuse.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Chris Smith on January 06, 2015, 10:43:03 AM
I known someone that knows his dad, and Jack was told before he signed his new deal he would be used sparingly over the season. Which is a pretty sensible way of developing a promising youngster.

I agree. He clearly still has some growing to do and needs to be looked after. It was good experience for him to start at the weekend but 20 minutes against tiring defenders now and then will probably give him more opportunities to shine.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Witton Warrior on January 06, 2015, 10:50:51 AM
He needs positive coaching from good professionals - Thought his contribution was positive in his play and would have more chance if he got the ball earlier...
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: passitsideways on January 06, 2015, 11:40:17 AM
I'm actually a little torn on starting him or not. At least if he's coming on after 60 minutes (which seems to be getting a little more regular now), he gets to run at tiring defenders who (in theory) have expended some energy watching us pass the ball side-to-side for the past hour without actually doing anything of purpose. But of course, that means Gabby and Andi would have been "playing" up to that stage.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Ron Manager on January 14, 2015, 08:11:51 PM
I feel Lambert has decided Jack is nowhere near ready yet to play a full part in what could become a relegation battle. Too frail. Deeply unimpressive against Blackpool which was a surprise. Might make the bench a few times but that's about it.

Our great white hope for the immediate future is now Senor Gill! I really hope he hits the ground running.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: peter w on January 14, 2015, 08:54:58 PM
To be honest I think the Blackpool game showed that Grealsih is nowhere near ready. Still, the experience will be good for him.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: silhillvilla on January 14, 2015, 08:57:00 PM
He looked really good when he came on at burnley, should have scored that volley mind
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Clampy on January 14, 2015, 09:55:58 PM
To be honest I think the Blackpool game showed that Grealsih is nowhere near ready.

But there's been a couple of sub appearances which suggest that he could still play a massive part. You can't really judge the kid on one game.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: silhillvilla on January 14, 2015, 10:11:11 PM
If Cleverly is ready Grealish is too.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Fin Feds Dad on January 19, 2015, 10:21:36 PM
@JackGrealish1: Can't wait to be happy playing football again 😞😄⚽️

Just tweeted.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: johnny from donny on January 19, 2015, 10:24:34 PM
@JackGrealish1: Can't wait to be happy playing football again 😞😄⚽️

Just tweeted.
With a picture of himself in a Notts County shirt
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on January 19, 2015, 10:26:31 PM
@JackGrealish1: Can't wait to be happy playing football again 😞😄⚽️

Just tweeted.
With a picture of himself in a Notts County shirt
Bollux!

Hoped we might see Jack and Gil doing the biz v Bournemouth on Sunday.
Still, Lambert knows best!
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 19, 2015, 10:27:14 PM
https://twitter.com/JackGrealish1/status/557298040617570304
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: dave.woodhall on January 19, 2015, 10:27:47 PM
@JackGrealish1: Can't wait to be happy playing football again 😞😄⚽️

Just tweeted.
With a picture of himself in a Notts County shirt

Which doesn't mean he's going there.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: johnny from donny on January 19, 2015, 10:30:10 PM
@JackGrealish1: Can't wait to be happy playing football again 😞😄⚽️

Just tweeted.
With a picture of himself in a Notts County shirt
Bollux!

Hoped we might see Jack and Gil doing the biz v Bournemouth on Sunday.
Still, Lambert knows best!
Under the current regime, you have more chance of seeing them go up the hill to fetch a pail of water
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: LTA on January 19, 2015, 10:36:53 PM
He isn't ready for the premier league yet, as we saw with his poor display against Blackpool.

Stupid tweets like this won't help him either.  Idiot.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Mortimer's Bear on January 19, 2015, 10:38:09 PM
I very much wish he hadn't tweeted that, oh well.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: johnny from donny on January 19, 2015, 10:38:26 PM
@JackGrealish1: Can't wait to be happy playing football again 😞😄⚽️

Just tweeted.
With a picture of himself in a Notts County shirt

Which doesn't mean he's going there.
True Dave, doesn't exactly point to him staying here in the short term though. Hopefully it will be a good championship club for a couple of months, or if it's for the rest of the season I hope we have a recall option in case we need him in the run in.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Clampy on January 19, 2015, 10:43:39 PM
He isn't ready for the premier league yet, as we saw with his poor display against Blackpool.

Stupid tweets like this won't help him either.  Idiot.

19 year old's are entitled to a bad game you know.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on January 19, 2015, 10:49:13 PM
He isn't ready for the premier league yet, as we saw with his poor display against Blackpool.

Stupid tweets like this won't help him either.  Idiot.

19 year old's are entitled to a bad game you know.
He'd been pretty impressive in his 20 minute cameos up till then...it made sense to give him a start in a cup game. Pity he didn't do himself justice.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: olaftab on January 19, 2015, 10:50:03 PM
Keep Grealish here we don't want to loan him out again. If we need to loan out anyone it should be Cleverley. Loan a loaner.
Four months at a decent  League one club will do him good.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: LTA on January 19, 2015, 10:56:47 PM
He isn't ready for the premier league yet, as we saw with his poor display against Blackpool.

Stupid tweets like this won't help him either.  Idiot.

19 year old's are entitled to a bad game you know.

I didn't say he wasn't.  I meant he hasn't shown enough yet to suggest he's living up to the hype.

Cant see the club being too pleased with what he's tweeted, but then again footballers don't tend to very bright.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: OCD on January 19, 2015, 10:58:22 PM
Did anyone play well against Blackpool? We can't exactly loan everyone out who didn't play well in one game. As someone said, in some of his cameos, he's looked like the only one who might create something.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: dekko on January 19, 2015, 11:07:24 PM
Given the way things are going for us this season, I think we need all hands on deck, and I'd like to see him making more of those 20 minute cameos.

That said what he needs for his development is to be playing games, so if Lambert isn't going to play him I'd say send him off to a good championship side like Derby or Middlesbrough. He'd probably get a higher standard of coaching there as well.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Clampy on January 19, 2015, 11:16:38 PM
He isn't ready for the premier league yet, as we saw with his poor display against Blackpool.

Stupid tweets like this won't help him either.  Idiot.

19 year old's are entitled to a bad game you know.

I didn't say he wasn't.  I meant he hasn't shown enough yet to suggest he's living up to the hype.

Cant see the club being too pleased with what he's tweeted, but then again footballers don't tend to very bright.

What about the games other than Blackpool? I think he deserves a place on the bench ahead of others.

Agree about the tweet though, maybe not the wisest move.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Clampy on January 19, 2015, 11:19:13 PM
He's taken the tweet down now.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 19, 2015, 11:22:21 PM
He started against Orient and was about as effective as the Blackpool game. In his sub appearances more often than not we're chasing a game and the players he's up against are tiring which probably benefits him.



Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: ozzjim on January 19, 2015, 11:31:55 PM
My issue is that he should be given a run of games, not just the odd cup start. Gabby and Weimann have done fuck all in 20 games. Let the kid have 4-5 straight starts and grow into it, then dip him back onto the bench, not bits and bobs here and there. Championship loan will be better for his mental state come next season though.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: passitsideways on January 19, 2015, 11:48:28 PM
Either start him here and persist with it for at least a few games, or send him to a stable enough Championship team willing to give him regular starts. I really don't think it's going to hurt us too much to miss out on a bright 20 minute cameo from him every now and then.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Billy Walker on January 20, 2015, 12:13:10 AM
It's time for young Jack  to lay off Twitter and start concentrating on his football.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: hilts_coolerking on January 20, 2015, 12:23:37 AM
I think it's unfair to expect Grealish, or Gil for that matter, to come into a poor side and turn things around.  We should be looking to our more high profile and experienced players to come to the party.  Anything we get from Grealish and / or Gil is a bonus.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: DeKuip on January 20, 2015, 12:28:12 AM
It's time for Jack to grow up and stop using Twitter.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: tom jennings III on January 20, 2015, 07:47:28 AM
He isn't 100% ready yet and a loan spell where he plays every game would be lovely if we had the luxury of a squad full of talent and points on the board. One thing I know is that I sure as hell would prefer him in the team/matchday squad to Gabby, NZog or Cleverly so why we would send him out on loan when we're in real danger of going down this year is beyond me.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: TheMalandro on January 20, 2015, 07:57:19 AM
How many others have come off the bench and looked exciting, like they could change the game? I'm amazed we are letting him go. Sinclair must be coming.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Ron Manager on January 20, 2015, 08:33:22 AM
I wonder about Jack's dedication to his chosen profession. Does anyone remember when Roy Keane arrived and there was a session at BH where Keane ,according to Jack, asked him this question after a short time.

'Are you feeling all right?' and Jack said yes he was fine.

Keane then said 'When are you going to start training then!'

It appears Jack was amused by that comment. I'll wager Roy Keane wasn't joking in the slightest and Lambert got to hear about it next time they met.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Ads on January 20, 2015, 09:15:57 AM
A month's loan might be a good move if he can get say three or four starts in a Championship side, he might be closer to being up to speed.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: pooligan on January 20, 2015, 12:51:29 PM
I would keep Grealish and loan out N'Zobia instead,but there again nobody who has seen him play this season is probably interested
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: paul_e on January 20, 2015, 02:21:00 PM
I don't see anything wrong with that tweet.  Some people seem to follow footballers, etc for the sole purpose of being offended by something for which they have no context.  I sort of understand the arguments about representing the club, but we either want the players, managers, etc to have some personality and be honest with things or we want 'we were excellent, everything will be fine' style corporate speak.  To me that short tweet is more telling of the day to day situation at the club than any of hundreds of stories on the official site where they interview players who all think Lambert is the bestest manager in the world and when we click we're going to destroy everyone.

As for the whole 'Blackpool shows he's not ready' I can't think of anything further from the truth, it shows nothing beyond that he, like the rest of the team, had a bad game.  Judging any player on 1 or 2 bad games is silly, judging a kid, who is universally described as one of the best talents we've produced for years and who has shown more ability in a bunch of short cameos than most of the rest of the squad have all season, on such a small sample is ridiculous.  We either need to give him 4-5 games from the start or let him go somewhere on loan that will give him that chance.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: RussellC on January 20, 2015, 02:44:57 PM
I think the tweet highlighted his immaturity, but then again he's a 19 year old who's life will have been pretty much dedicated to football thus far, so that shouldn't really be a surprise.

In terms of going on-loan, I think it's the best idea. For all of the glimpses of promise that he's shown in his cameos from the bench, he hasn't excelled in the 2 starts he's been given in the cups. If we were comfortably mid-table then I'd be more than happy to keep using him for 10-15 minutes here and there, but we're about to go into yet another relegation battle and in my opinion he should be kept away form that, for his good and the team's.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: villadelph on January 20, 2015, 03:27:41 PM
It's time for young Jack  to lay off Twitter and start concentrating on his football.

It's time for Jack to grow up and stop using Twitter.

Seriously?! He's a kid, not Barton or Ferdinand. I feel for him, watching kids his age getting an opportunity to progress and match their hype. False confidence in signing a new contract, constant bollocking from Keane, no faith from the manager.. at least he actually gives a hoot about the club.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 20, 2015, 07:13:15 PM
If we're not going to play him I'd get him out on loan.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Newby on January 20, 2015, 09:22:46 PM
Loan him out, I also feel he isnt quite ready yet. Also, he Will be great soon enough, but not for this Manager.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: claret and blue blood on January 20, 2015, 09:41:24 PM
How anyone can say he's not ready is beyond me,he's the only one of our players to get us of our seats and excite us this season until Carles' debut.My worry is Lambert will knock the stuffing out of Carles in exactly the same way that he has done with Grealish?
Keep Grealish and get rid of that boring bastard Lambert.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: silhillvilla on January 20, 2015, 09:54:45 PM
He's not ready yet cleverly and Weimann are ? ?
Sorry don't buy it
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 20, 2015, 10:32:17 PM
To be fair I don't think he's ready to start every week in the top flight. Six months starting in the Championship would do him more good than a handful of appearances in a wretched Villa side. We've seem first hand what playing in a struggling side can do to a young player. It's taken Ciaran Clark about 3 years and he's only just starting to show what he looked like he might do as a youngster. No need to rush Jack too much.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Newby on January 20, 2015, 10:42:56 PM
He's not ready yet cleverly and Weimann are ? ?
Sorry don't buy it

It's two different arguments. Grealish in a shit side with a shit manager might ruin his confidence. Loan him out and let him learn. The other two are just plain crap. Grealish has promise but not for the current manager. Bit lightweight, the championship might help him toughen up. The other two should also join him in the championship because that's their level. Grealish needs more experience but not in a relegation scrap. It's an opinion tis all.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: brontebilly on January 20, 2015, 11:35:33 PM
He's not ready yet cleverly and Weimann are ? ?
Sorry don't buy it

It's two different arguments. Grealish in a shit side with a shit manager might ruin his confidence. Loan him out and let him learn. The other two are just plain crap. Grealish has promise but not for the current manager. Bit lightweight, the championship might help him toughen up. The other two should also join him in the championship because that's their level. Grealish needs more experience but not in a relegation scrap. It's an opinion tis all.

The crowd Grealish was on loan with last year, Notts County, are hardly the Harlem Globetrotters....

As much as I'd like to put the boot into Lambert, I get the feeling if Grealish was showing anything in training he would be getting games ahead of Nzogbia, Weimann, Cole and co.

Grealish doesn't really fit as a wide man (either do our other options fair enough) but for the "number ten" role Lambert is putting his faith in Cole and Gil ahead of him.

Maybe Grealish needs to get the finger out to get back into the reckoning. Working with a good coach like McClaren for a bit would be no harm. I expect Lambert thought he would have progressed more this season.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on January 20, 2015, 11:48:35 PM
He's not ready yet cleverly and Weimann are ? ?
Sorry don't buy it

It's two different arguments. Grealish in a shit side with a shit manager might ruin his confidence. Loan him out and let him learn. The other two are just plain crap. Grealish has promise but not for the current manager. Bit lightweight, the championship might help him toughen up. The other two should also join him in the championship because that's their level. Grealish needs more experience but not in a relegation scrap. It's an opinion tis all.

The crowd Grealish was on loan with last year, Notts County, are hardly the Harlem Globetrotters....

As much as I'd like to put the boot into Lambert, I get the feeling if Grealish was showing anything in training he would be getting games ahead of Nzogbia, Weimann, Cole and co.

Grealish doesn't really fit as a wide man (either do our other options fair enough) but for the "number ten" role Lambert is putting his faith in Cole and Gil ahead of him.

Maybe Grealish needs to get the finger out to get back into the reckoning. Working with a good coach like McClaren for a bit would be no harm. I expect Lambert thought he would have progressed more this season.

The problem with that is I, and probably a few others, don't trust Lambert to make the right call. It's complete guesswork (so maybe bollocks) but i just don't see someone like N'Zog looking more impressive in training.

And bringing Robinson back?...
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 21, 2015, 01:41:27 AM
He brought Robinson back when we had 2 strikers available, Benteke and Gabby. If he'd gone into games with no striker on the bench  as an option he'd have been slaughtered for that.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: dekko on January 21, 2015, 08:06:38 AM
He brought Robinson back when we had 2 strikers available, Benteke and Gabby. If he'd gone into games with no striker on the bench  as an option he'd have been slaughtered for that.

Wasn't Benteke suspended at the time as well?
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: paul_e on January 21, 2015, 09:05:13 AM
He brought Robinson back when we had 2 strikers available, Benteke and Gabby. If he'd gone into games with no striker on the bench  as an option he'd have been slaughtered for that.

Wasn't Benteke suspended at the time as well?

I have no problem with bringing him back, I have a big issue with not giving him at least a 10-15minute run out as a 'reward' for a very good loan period.  Given how poorly Gabby has played this season I'd be pretty pissed off sitting on the bench watching him do nothing when I'd been happily playing regularly and doing the business.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: RussellC on January 21, 2015, 09:13:53 AM
He brought Robinson back when we had 2 strikers available, Benteke and Gabby. If he'd gone into games with no striker on the bench  as an option he'd have been slaughtered for that.

Wasn't Benteke suspended at the time as well?

I have no problem with bringing him back, I have a big issue with not giving him at least a 10-15minute run out as a 'reward' for a very good loan period.  Given how poorly Gabby has played this season I'd be pretty pissed off sitting on the bench watching him do nothing when I'd been happily playing regularly and doing the business.

Completely agree. There was logic to recalling him from loan at the time, but absolutely no logic in not even giving him a run-out since.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Ron Manager on January 21, 2015, 05:04:20 PM
Well young Jack will not be going out on loan to Wolves. Kenny Jackett has scotched that rumour.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: OCD on January 21, 2015, 11:01:52 PM
Robinson was making good progress at Preston, to end that and throw him back into the U21's without him even making the odd cameo is just setting him back. Lambert, like one of his predecessors isn't establishing a good track record with bringing youth through the club.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Californian Villain on January 21, 2015, 11:05:12 PM
Robinson was making good progress at Preston, to end that and throw him back into the U21's without him even making the odd cameo is just setting him back. Lambert, like one of his predecessors isn't establishing a good track record with bringing youth through the club.

You mean Big Ron, right ?
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: OCD on January 21, 2015, 11:13:51 PM
I was drawing parallels with Martin O'Neill.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: peter w on January 21, 2015, 11:20:49 PM
He brought Robinson back when we had 2 strikers available, Benteke and Gabby. If he'd gone into games with no striker on the bench  as an option he'd have been slaughtered for that.

Wasn't Benteke suspended at the time as well?

I have no problem with bringing him back, I have a big issue with not giving him at least a 10-15minute run out as a 'reward' for a very good loan period.  Given how poorly Gabby has played this season I'd be pretty pissed off sitting on the bench watching him do nothing when I'd been happily playing regularly and doing the business.

The 'reward' may have been a place on the bench. I have no problem with Robinson not getting on if he's not considered fully there yet.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 21, 2015, 11:58:58 PM

The 'reward' may have been a place on the bench. I have no problem with Robinson not getting on if he's not considered fully there yet.

In which case, leave him on loan so he can improve.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: pooligan on January 22, 2015, 04:08:45 AM
We all have our opinions  rightly or wrongly on Grealish and Robinson. Mine on Grealish is he to much of a flair player for Lambert, who goes for the Cleverley,Westwood type ,all workrate and pass it sideways type.As for Robinson,well in my mind,it shows just how clueless this manager is. Your side has scored just 11 goals in 22 matches and you have a young kid who has proved he can score goals in the youth and reserve teams and out on loan and he gives him the grand sum of nil minutes this season.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: TheMalandro on January 23, 2015, 11:22:24 PM
Sounds like all is not well with grealish, fined for comments on twitter.
His latest tweet reads "when the hate don't work they tell lies"

Perhaps not wise, but he's a young lad and his boss is a real arse.
Hope Lambert is out the door and not one of our best young players.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: andyh on January 23, 2015, 11:26:48 PM
I wonder if he regrets signing that contract now.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 23, 2015, 11:26:59 PM
Boiling an egg?

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Paul Lambert has fined teenage winger Jack Grealish for posting a message on Twitter reading: ‘Can’t wait to be happy playing football again.’

The 19-year-old included a photograph of himself smiling while on loan at Notts County last season, where he scored five times in 38 games.

Lambert said he was ‘not happy’ with the social media statement, which was interpreted by some fans as suggesting his frustration at a lack of game time. The Villa manager had a meeting with Grealish, who has deleted the tweet, and instructed him to focus on football in no uncertain terms.

Grealish, one of the country’s most promising talents, penned a new four-year deal last October as Premier League clubs circled his signature, but he has appeared infrequently since.

He has started Villa’s two cup games and made it off the bench in nine Premier League matches – but has been left out of Villa’s last two squads as Lambert leans towards experience.

A host of Championship clubs are believed to be interested in taking Grealish on loan this window, but with Lambert’s move for Scott Sinclair ‘dead’ he does not wish to lose an option out wide.

He has fielded no enquiries for Grealish, who is recovering from a virus and may play some part in the FA Cup match against Bournemouth.

‘I think he should stay off tweeting, that’s what I think,’ said Lambert. ‘I wasn’t happy. I told him to concentrate on football. I don’t think anybody needs to know he’s boiling an egg, you know. Personally nobody’s asked me for Jack (on loan).’

Lambert believes Carles Gil may be his only January signing as he battles to improve Villa’s dreadful scoring record of just 12 goals all season.

‘At the minute it doesn’t look like more additions,’ said Lambert. ‘Scott Sinclair one is dead anyway. Not going to go anywhere.’ Lambert insists he would love an FA Cup run to invigorate his team.

He said: ‘I got pilloried last year. The FA Cup is vital to this football club and we will go and try and win it. We have to have a cup run.

‘If we can get a good cup run it is then in the memory for everyone. We would love to go to Wembley. We will go as strong as we can to win the game. I have rarely picked a weakened team.’
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: FrankyH on January 23, 2015, 11:31:07 PM
I hope and expect  that Grealish will be at the  Villa a long time after Lambert has gone.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: newtonsballs on January 23, 2015, 11:42:54 PM
I hope and expect  that Grealish will be at the  Villa a long time after Lambert has gone.

Well said Franky. Also, Jack would look good against Bournemouth
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: andyh on January 23, 2015, 11:44:27 PM
Things just worse.
It strikes me that the deluded one is quite happy 'punish' a 19 yr old kid for a fucking tweet, but in all the time he has been here, I don't recall him ever rebuking a senior player. And, I don't I don't include the bomb squad because that was just cowardice.
His behaviour seems to me, to becoming more and more irrational.
Sat like a statue at Leicester.
Jumping around like a fucking mad man against Liverpool.
Bullying kids for tweeting.
Talking about boiled eggs????
Everything is excellent!

Deluded, fucking deluded.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 23, 2015, 11:48:12 PM
I hope and expect  that Grealish will be at the  Villa a long time after Lambert has gone.

Well said Franky. Also, Jack would look good against Bournemouth

He didn't in his starts against Orient and Blackpool. I like Jack and think he could have a good future but he's not exactly covering himself in glory right now. And i'm beginning to wonder how much truth there was in what Keane said at training at that time.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: BoskoDjembaSalifou on January 23, 2015, 11:51:35 PM
Bit harsh to fine him for that. That dig at Twitter was a bit strange too, who cares if he uses it or not? Loads of players do.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 23, 2015, 11:54:38 PM
I hope and expect  that Grealish will be at the  Villa a long time after Lambert has gone.

Well said Franky. Also, Jack would look good against Bournemouth

He didn't in his starts against Orient and Blackpool. I like Jack and think he could have a good future but he's not exactly covering himself in glory right now. And i'm beginning to wonder how much truth there was in what Keane said at training at that time.

I don't really see how you can form any opinion about not covering himself in glory based on two starts. Or that he might have an attitude problem based on an anecdote regarding Roy Keane.

He's not the second coming, but he's also not a new Sasa Curcic. Let's give him a chance, he's a young kid who just wants to do well.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 23, 2015, 11:58:38 PM
Where wasn't I giving him a chance? Was it the when I said I liked him or that he could have a good future? *winky*
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: newtonsballs on January 23, 2015, 11:59:20 PM
I hope and expect  that Grealish will be at the  Villa a long time after Lambert has gone.

Well said Franky. Also, Jack would look good against Bournemouth

He didn't in his starts against Orient and Blackpool. I like Jack and think he could have a good future but he's not exactly covering himself in glory right now. And i'm beginning to wonder how much truth there was in what Keane said at training at that time.

I hear what you say PWS, so let jack prove himself against Bournemouth, or indeed let Lambert prove himself correct (shudders)
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 24, 2015, 12:07:18 AM
Where wasn't I giving him a chance? Was it the when I said I liked him or that he could have a good future? *winky*

Well, the bit about him not covering himself in glory, starting in two games but disappointing, and wondering if Keane had a point. It seemed a bit harsh.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Tom_Mc9? on January 24, 2015, 12:47:26 AM
What did Keane allegedly say?
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Damo70 on January 24, 2015, 12:52:08 AM
What did Keane allegedly say?

There are certain people about whom you don't have to cover your back with the word allegedly because you can bet they said it. Roy Keane, Jeremy Clarkson, Prince Phillip.....
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 24, 2015, 12:55:39 AM
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But Grealish admitted: "To be honest, at the beginning, I didn’t even think Roy would like me because of the type of player I am.

"On the first day of training, I didn’t start the session that well and he tapped me on the shoulder after a half an hour.

"He said: 'Are you alright?' and I replied 'yeah'. And then he asked me: 'When do you start training then?'
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on January 24, 2015, 06:33:28 AM
What did Keane allegedly say?

There are certain people about whom you don't have to cover your back with the word allegedly because you can bet they said it. Roy Keane, Jeremy Clarkson, Prince Phillip.....

Very good.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Tom_Mc9? on January 24, 2015, 08:10:29 AM
Ah that one. I don't see a problem with Keane saying that. I found it quite funny to be honest.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: claret and blue blood on January 24, 2015, 08:27:12 AM
Houllier wasn't frightened to give young players a go,one of our best performances in these barren years was the Manure game when Jonathan Hogg had a stormer.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Mister E on January 24, 2015, 08:37:23 AM
Houllier wasn't frightened to give young players a go,one of our best performances in these barren years was the Manure game when Jonathan Hogg had a stormer.
but it is the brief the player is given and the encouragement that he gets. We don't know how Lambert is preparing this boy but I see little evidence that he is being given meaningful guidance. For a start, Grealish ain't really a winger, is he?
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Nastylee on January 24, 2015, 08:38:40 AM
Grealish has done very little on the pitch to warrant the clamour. I think it's more a case of we've been shit and people are desperate for a solution. When Jack's been given a start, he has looked well short of the quality needed at the top level. His time will come but it's not yet and he just needs to knuckle down and prove he's ready.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 24, 2015, 08:38:59 AM
The saviour.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: peter w on January 24, 2015, 08:42:13 AM
I think it was right to fine him and I also think that the coaching/management team are right in how they deal with him. You cannot have ill-discipline from players and moaning that they are or are not playing however trite the remark. Also, if Grealish was ready then Lambert would put him in. I personally don't think he's anywhere near ready for regular football and have no problem with the way he's been handled.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Clampy on January 24, 2015, 08:50:17 AM
I don't think the tweets are a very good idea, he needs to lay off doing it. That said, if N'Zogbia can keep getting chance after chance despite flattering to deceive nearly every time, then judging Jack on two cup games is a tad harsh.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Richard E on January 24, 2015, 08:50:57 AM
I think it was right to fine him and I also think that the coaching/management team are right in how they deal with him. You cannot have ill-discipline from players and moaning that they are or are not playing however trite the remark. Also, if Grealish was ready then Lambert would put him in. I personally don't think he's anywhere near ready for regular football and have no problem with the way he's been handled.

I agree.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: peter w on January 24, 2015, 08:53:13 AM
I don't think the tweets are a very good idea, he needs to lay off doing it. That said, if N'Zogbia can keep getting chance after chance despite flattering to deceive nearly every time, then judging Jack on two cup games is a tad harsh.

You can judge whether someone is ready within minutes. 2 games is more than enough.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Nastylee on January 24, 2015, 08:55:03 AM
I don't think the tweets are a very good idea, he needs to lay off doing it. That said, if N'Zogbia can keep getting chance after chance despite flattering to deceive nearly every time, then judging Jack on two cup games is a tad harsh.

The same N'Zogbia that has yet to finish 90 mins? Hardly call that preferential treatment.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Clampy on January 24, 2015, 08:57:15 AM
I don't think the tweets are a very good idea, he needs to lay off doing it. That said, if N'Zogbia can keep getting chance after chance despite flattering to deceive nearly every time, then judging Jack on two cup games is a tad harsh.

The same N'Zogbia that has yet to finish 90 mins? Hardly call that preferential treatment.

Yes, the same N'Zogbia that cost us £10m and  has scored 4 goals. That one.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 24, 2015, 09:02:46 AM
N'Zogbia is past discussing. He's a waster. He shouldn't be near the team.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Nastylee on January 24, 2015, 09:12:54 AM
I don't think the tweets are a very good idea, he needs to lay off doing it. That said, if N'Zogbia can keep getting chance after chance despite flattering to deceive nearly every time, then judging Jack on two cup games is a tad harsh.

The same N'Zogbia that has yet to finish 90 mins? Hardly call that preferential treatment.

Yes, the same N'Zogbia that cost us £10m and  has scored 4 goals. That one.

I don't see the relevance? He hasn't performed and isn't a regular in the team so what's your point?
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Clampy on January 24, 2015, 09:19:09 AM
I don't think the tweets are a very good idea, he needs to lay off doing it. That said, if N'Zogbia can keep getting chance after chance despite flattering to deceive nearly every time, then judging Jack on two cup games is a tad harsh.

The same N'Zogbia that has yet to finish 90 mins? Hardly call that preferential treatment.

Yes, the same N'Zogbia that cost us £10m and  has scored 4 goals. That one.

I don't see the relevance? He hasn't performed and isn't a regular in the team so what's your point?

I suppose my point is that i'd rather see Grealish on the bench than N'Zogbia, to put it simply.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Ron Manager on January 24, 2015, 09:24:06 AM
I don't think the tweets are a very good idea, he needs to lay off doing it. That said, if N'Zogbia can keep getting chance after chance despite flattering to deceive nearly every time, then judging Jack on two cup games is a tad harsh.

You can judge whether someone is ready within minutes. 2 games is more than enough.

I agree with this .Gordon Cowans is a good example. After half an hour of his first match at Villa Park all three of us had decided he had the
skill and could cope with the physicallity of playing with the big boys. I don't think young Jack is anywhere near that standard yet.

But he could be if he knuckles down. Or then again he might head down the Stephen Cooke route. Into obscurity.

We shall see.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: exigo on January 24, 2015, 10:06:17 AM
The saviour.

He's not the saviour, he's a very naughty boy.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 24, 2015, 10:09:03 AM
I think it was right he got fined.

But I also am amazes at how many of our 'promising youngsters' are apparently not ready at the age of 19.  He either is good enough in which case he is eminently more playable than Cleverley as an example.  Or, he isn't and then you go back to questioning the true quality of the academy.

Was it Southampton that bought another one on against Ipswich the other night?  He was no older than 18 and looked accomplished.  There's a slight difference in the finished product we appear to be providing compared to others.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: olaftab on January 24, 2015, 10:10:45 AM
How do some people manage to form an opinion that "Grealish has not performed"?  He needs a run of games for few months before we judge him. I would say that so far given the amount of time on the pitch and Lambers noddy tactics he has performed.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Hoppo on January 24, 2015, 10:14:47 AM
I can understand Jack's frustration, he is being held back by the most negative manager in our history.
I'm not a fan of Nzogbia but he plays him through the middle when he was brought as an effective left winger.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Chris Smith on January 24, 2015, 10:15:52 AM
I think it was right to fine him and I also think that the coaching/management team are right in how they deal with him. You cannot have ill-discipline from players and moaning that they are or are not playing however trite the remark. Also, if Grealish was ready then Lambert would put him in. I personally don't think he's anywhere near ready for regular football and have no problem with the way he's been handled.

I agree.

Me too. People develop at different rates, he still has the build of a boy and perhaps, if the episode is anything to go by, a similar level of mental and emotional maturity.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: peter w on January 24, 2015, 10:16:18 AM
I think it was right he got fined.

But I also am amazes at how many of our 'promising youngsters' are apparently not ready at the age of 19.  He either is good enough in which case he is eminently more playable than Cleverley as an example.  Or, he isn't and then you go back to questioning the true quality of the academy.

Was it Southampton that bought another one on against Ipswich the other night?  He was no older than 18 and looked accomplished.  There's a slight difference in the finished product we appear to be providing compared to others.

Direct individual comparisons may be misleading though. Some players may be ready and even peak at 18, 19, 20 or so - michael owen is a case in point. some may have all the attributes but do not develop and are ready until later.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: UK Redsox on January 24, 2015, 10:16:53 AM
When people say say that Jack hasn't performed, I think that they mean that he hasn't performed up to the unreasonable level of expectation that many people have for him because (pre-Gil) he was the only Villa player who showed signs of having football skills that could change a game.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: olaftab on January 24, 2015, 10:21:40 AM
Quote from: Ron Manager link=topic
I agree with this .Gordon Cowans is a good example. After half an hour of his first match at Villa Park all three of us had decided he had the
skill and could cope with the physicallity of playing with the big boys. I don't think young Jack is anywhere near that standard yet.

But he could be if he knuckles down. Or then again he might head down the Stephen Cooke route. Into obscurity.

We shall see.
Ron after watching Jack in a Nextgen game I had the same feeling as I did when I saw Brian play in an FA youth cup game. I thought yes he has the talent next comes application and if he fails on that than he will not make it. I still think he will he just needs to get his head down. It's a pity that we are all talking about his attitude just now.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 24, 2015, 10:21:59 AM
I think it was right he got fined.

But I also am amazes at how many of our 'promising youngsters' are apparently not ready at the age of 19.  He either is good enough in which case he is eminently more playable than Cleverley as an example.  Or, he isn't and then you go back to questioning the true quality of the academy.

Was it Southampton that bought another one on against Ipswich the other night?  He was no older than 18 and looked accomplished.  There's a slight difference in the finished product we appear to be providing compared to others.

Direct individual comparisons may be misleading though. Some players may be ready and even peak at 18, 19, 20 or so - michael owen is a case in point. some may have all the attributes but do not develop and are ready until later.

I agree with that but who was the last true quality player we produced?  Gabby? 
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 24, 2015, 10:28:46 AM
I agree with that but who was the last true quality player we produced?  Gabby? 
He's done Ok - well, not recently.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Clampy on January 24, 2015, 10:29:06 AM
The only cup game i've seen this season was Leyton Orient and in truth he didn't do a great deal, but then again not many of them did that night. I think he's done pretty well when he's come on as sub during league games though. I think he's well worth a place on the bench at the moment, especially the way we're playing.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Chris Smith on January 24, 2015, 10:30:58 AM
Gary Cahill would be the most recent surely but there are a number of our youth team who have had decent careers - Davis, Ridgewell, life long Albion fan, Myhill - I am sure there are others but it requires more effort than I am prepared to put in.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: TheMalandro on January 24, 2015, 10:34:46 AM
I've seen flashes of real quality from him, he may not be ready but how many times have andi, gabby or n'zogbia looked dangerous?

I'd play him in front of any of those, regardless of his best position.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 24, 2015, 10:38:25 AM
True quality Mr Smith?  Ill concede Cahill however.  Forgot about him.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 24, 2015, 11:53:14 AM
Has anyone boiled an egg this morning?  If so let me know.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: TheMalandro on January 24, 2015, 12:04:10 PM
Has anyone boiled an egg this morning?  If so let me know.

Fried eggs on toast for me - with truffle oil!
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on January 24, 2015, 02:41:20 PM
I very simply don't believe in Lambert's ability to bring our youth through successfully and therefore fear for them all. People may state 'if he was ready he would have chucked him in by now'... really? I see a man repeatedly unable to make our side even remotely creative and sticking with his 'favourites' who frankly aren't very good. You have more faith in Lambert than I do if you think that.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Ron Manager on January 30, 2015, 12:53:58 PM
Jack gone to Notts Forest for the rest of the season. Probably for the best.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Nirog72 on January 30, 2015, 01:01:48 PM
Does he have a thing for Nottingham?
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 30, 2015, 01:10:50 PM
Three women for every bloke there. At least that's what they told him.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: rob_bridge on January 30, 2015, 01:14:30 PM
Jack gone to Notts Forest for the rest of the season. Probably for the best.

How to wind up a Forest fan - intentionally or otherwise.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Ron Manager on January 30, 2015, 01:21:16 PM
I think it was right he got fined.

But I also am amazes at how many of our 'promising youngsters' are apparently not ready at the age of 19.  He either is good enough in which case he is eminently more playable than Cleverley as an example.  Or, he isn't and then you go back to questioning the true quality of the academy.

Was it Southampton that bought another one on against Ipswich the other night?  He was no older than 18 and looked accomplished.  There's a slight difference in the finished product we appear to be providing compared to others.

Direct individual comparisons may be misleading though. Some players may be ready and even peak at 18, 19, 20 or so - michael owen is a case in point. some may have all the attributes but do not develop and are ready until later.

I remember accomplished England internationals Mick Channon and Alan Shearer playing in the top division regulary at eighteen or nineteen
and looking fully at home. They both played for.....Southampton. Must be something in the air down there!
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: ClaretAndBlueBlood on January 30, 2015, 02:03:18 PM
Grealish doesn't look quite ready for us at the moment does he so half a season in the championship should do him good
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: FranzBiberkopf on January 30, 2015, 02:10:03 PM
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I remember accomplished England internationals Mick Channon and Alan Shearer playing in the top division regulary at eighteen or nineteen

I remember Shearer played at ours for Soton when he was what 17? 18? He stood out like the proverbial sore thumb as being head and shoulders above what else was on the pitch that day.

Grealish - dunno. Prepared to cut him some slack but he certainly isn't the 'boy wonder' a la a Shearer or a Rooney or a Belzeebub at the Blues etc.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: OCD on January 30, 2015, 02:14:20 PM
Mick Channon was before my time so can't comment but in Shearer, you're talking about easily the most prolific striker in the Premier League era. Might be setting the bar a little high there for Jack. Equally there's been plenty of players who have went on to have successful careers who were sent out on loan early in their career. Beckham going to Preston springs to mind.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 30, 2015, 02:15:19 PM
If he has gone then that's a good move. He needs to be playing regular football now and 6 months in the Championship will do him good.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: eamonn on January 30, 2015, 02:16:38 PM
Grealish and Gardner together - our great white hopes. Fingers crossed.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Ron Manager on January 30, 2015, 02:56:29 PM
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I remember accomplished England internationals Mick Channon and Alan Shearer playing in the top division regulary at eighteen or nineteen

I remember Shearer played at ours for Soton when he was what 17? 18? He stood out like the proverbial sore thumb as being head and shoulders above what else was on the pitch that day.

Grealish - dunno. Prepared to cut him some slack but he certainly isn't the 'boy wonder' a la a Shearer or a Rooney or a Belzeebub at the Blues etc.

I think he was seventeen. He ran Southampton's forward line that day. Aggressive and hard and totally confident in his own ability.

Jack perhaps had started to believe he could be the future without too much fuss. He might well be with a lot of hard work.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: paul_e on January 30, 2015, 06:44:41 PM
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I remember accomplished England internationals Mick Channon and Alan Shearer playing in the top division regulary at eighteen or nineteen

I remember Shearer played at ours for Soton when he was what 17? 18? He stood out like the proverbial sore thumb as being head and shoulders above what else was on the pitch that day.

Grealish - dunno. Prepared to cut him some slack but he certainly isn't the 'boy wonder' a la a Shearer or a Rooney or a Belzeebub at the Blues etc.

I think he was seventeen. He ran Southampton's forward line that day. Aggressive and hard and totally confident in his own ability.

Jack perhaps had started to believe he could be the future without too much fuss. He might well be with a lot of hard work.

Or alternatively, started to realise that regardless of whether he came on and was the best player on the pitch he wasn't going to get any closer to a start in the league and was getting fed up of not being given a fair shot.  2 cup starts where he wasn't brilliant but was still probably our best attacking player means nothing really, cup football isn't the same.  Given how clear it is that we don't train for attacking movement I also don't particularly care about any rumours regarding his attitude to training. The reality is we have a kid who has an effortless ease on the ball and reads the game excellently for his age who should be getting all the support possible to make the step up and that's just not happening.  I do worry that Lambert seems totally unwilling to risk putting our own kids in, he's not really given anyone from the academy much of a look in since he arrived, which is odd given the financial limitations, especially when he's bought a lot of players slightly older from the lower leagues and abroad.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 30, 2015, 08:15:15 PM
Grealish and Gardner together - our great white hopes. Fingers crossed.
I don't hold out any hope for Gardner.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: brontebilly on January 30, 2015, 08:59:48 PM
Gary Cahill would be the most recent surely but there are a number of our youth team who have had decent careers - Davis, Ridgewell, life long Albion fan, Myhill - I am sure there are others but it requires more effort than I am prepared to put in.

Think Davis has developed into one of the best midfielders in the league, certainly the most under rated anyway.

Whittingham, Clark, Baker, Weimann, Vassell, Albrighton, Craig Gardner, Bannan, Jamie Ward, Jonathan Hogg, Eric Lichaj, Shane Lowry - a motley bunch there but reasonable Championship team between them anyway.

Not sure if we can claim Gareth Barry, he was by a mile the best if we can. Not sure who the biggest letdown at adult level was, probably a topic for a different thread.

If Gil and Sinclair finish the season strongly then Grealish will have a nice bit of ground to make up at Villa Park. Not sure what difference a neanderthal coach like Stuart Pearce will make of him, harden him up physically and mentally hopefully.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: peter w on January 30, 2015, 09:23:44 PM
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I remember accomplished England internationals Mick Channon and Alan Shearer playing in the top division regulary at eighteen or nineteen

I remember Shearer played at ours for Soton when he was what 17? 18? He stood out like the proverbial sore thumb as being head and shoulders above what else was on the pitch that day.

Grealish - dunno. Prepared to cut him some slack but he certainly isn't the 'boy wonder' a la a Shearer or a Rooney or a Belzeebub at the Blues etc.

I think he was seventeen. He ran Southampton's forward line that day. Aggressive and hard and totally confident in his own ability.

Jack perhaps had started to believe he could be the future without too much fuss. He might well be with a lot of hard work.

Or alternatively, started to realise that regardless of whether he came on and was the best player on the pitch he wasn't going to get any closer to a start in the league and was getting fed up of not being given a fair shot.  2 cup starts where he wasn't brilliant but was still probably our best attacking player means nothing really, cup football isn't the same.  Given how clear it is that we don't train for attacking movement I also don't particularly care about any rumours regarding his attitude to training. The reality is we have a kid who has an effortless ease on the ball and reads the game excellently for his age who should be getting all the support possible to make the step up and that's just not happening.  I do worry that Lambert seems totally unwilling to risk putting our own kids in, he's not really given anyone from the academy much of a look in since he arrived, which is odd given the financial limitations, especially when he's bought a lot of players slightly older from the lower leagues and abroad.

Or maybe he's just not ready. it happens.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 30, 2015, 09:27:05 PM
He's 19 and he looks an excellent prospect. Players develop at different rates, him going out on loan and playing games will be good for him.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Legion on January 30, 2015, 09:27:41 PM
He's 19 and he looks an excellent prospect. Players develop at different rates, him going out on loan and playing games will be good for him.

Agreed.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: nodge on January 30, 2015, 09:52:11 PM
His manager saying that nobody had even asked about him going on loan when interviewed last week probably sent his confidence sky high. Or maybe not.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: paul_e on January 30, 2015, 10:15:11 PM
Quote
I remember accomplished England internationals Mick Channon and Alan Shearer playing in the top division regulary at eighteen or nineteen

I remember Shearer played at ours for Soton when he was what 17? 18? He stood out like the proverbial sore thumb as being head and shoulders above what else was on the pitch that day.

Grealish - dunno. Prepared to cut him some slack but he certainly isn't the 'boy wonder' a la a Shearer or a Rooney or a Belzeebub at the Blues etc.

I think he was seventeen. He ran Southampton's forward line that day. Aggressive and hard and totally confident in his own ability.

Jack perhaps had started to believe he could be the future without too much fuss. He might well be with a lot of hard work.

Or alternatively, started to realise that regardless of whether he came on and was the best player on the pitch he wasn't going to get any closer to a start in the league and was getting fed up of not being given a fair shot.  2 cup starts where he wasn't brilliant but was still probably our best attacking player means nothing really, cup football isn't the same.  Given how clear it is that we don't train for attacking movement I also don't particularly care about any rumours regarding his attitude to training. The reality is we have a kid who has an effortless ease on the ball and reads the game excellently for his age who should be getting all the support possible to make the step up and that's just not happening.  I do worry that Lambert seems totally unwilling to risk putting our own kids in, he's not really given anyone from the academy much of a look in since he arrived, which is odd given the financial limitations, especially when he's bought a lot of players slightly older from the lower leagues and abroad.

Or maybe he's just not ready. it happens.

I was specifically commenting on the underlying insinuation that he's probably got an attitude problem.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 31, 2015, 03:15:52 AM
I think all of this talk of which national team he was going to play for after a couple of cameo appearances went to his head. He shone briefly in that game vs Hull and we all thought we had something special. And we still might. A little humble pie and some consistent playing time a division down will help mature him if he accepts his place in things right now and works to really improve.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: passport1 on January 31, 2015, 10:46:29 AM
He's what used to be known as a 'luxury player'. Great on the ball not much use without it.

Our team is nowhere near good enough at the moment to accomodate him.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 31, 2015, 12:50:36 PM
His manager saying that nobody had even asked about him going on loan when interviewed last week probably sent his confidence sky high. Or maybe not.

This is where the club is letting these players down.  They should be actively seeking clubs where young players can go and play regularly.  Ideally we would form on going partnerships, but that sort of strategic thinking seems beyond us at the moment.

Whilst the buck does immediately stop with Lambert on this specific issue, I do also think that the club should be helping him more by having some sort of Director of Football.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: nodge on January 31, 2015, 01:43:24 PM
His manager saying that nobody had even asked about him going on loan when interviewed last week probably sent his confidence sky high. Or maybe not.

This is where the club is letting these players down.  They should be actively seeking clubs where young players can go and play regularly.  Ideally we would form on going partnerships, but that sort of strategic thinking seems beyond us at the moment.

Whilst the buck does immediately stop with Lambert on this specific issue, I do also think that the club should be helping him more by having some sort of Director of Football.
The reason it pissed me off is because it seemed to be said out of spite just after he'd mentioned the Twitter thing.  I don't know why stuff like the Twitter fine can't be kept in house although I appreciate things get leaked.  I know you have to keep young players grounded but that just seemed to come across as really negative, almost as if to say "he's not as good as he thinks he is".
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Clampy on January 31, 2015, 01:48:51 PM
He's what used to be known as a 'luxury player'. Great on the ball not much use without it.


I think that's a little unfair bearing in mind his age. The part of his game where he drops back and helps out will come eventually.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Diablo on January 31, 2015, 01:57:22 PM
He's what used to be known as a 'luxury player'. Great on the ball not much use without it.

Our team is nowhere near good enough at the moment to accomodate him.

I disagree. I think that is the reason he should play a part (as the team is so poor) and because the system currently isn't working. I think he certainly offers things that we don't or didn't have before our last 2 signings/loan (excluding Delph). He probably shouldn't play a whole 90 mins but the fact that the midfield is so similar and bereft of creativity for me is exactly the reason why he should be used sparingly (and the obvious lack of goals). I think Forest would be a good move for him if Lambert isn't going to use him. I have high hopes for Jack but I feel Lambert is probably not best person to help with his development. I hope I'm proved wrong.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Chris Smith on January 31, 2015, 02:04:37 PM
He's what used to be known as a 'luxury player'. Great on the ball not much use without it.


I think that's a little unfair bearing in mind his age. The part of his game where he drops back and helps out will come eventually.

It is totally unfair, he must have had the quickest fall from grace ever. A couple of months ago he was being hailed as the next big thing, now he's a nothing but a luxury player.

From what I have seen is he's got tons of ability but physically he is not quite there yet.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: nodge on January 31, 2015, 02:08:29 PM
Physically Sid Cowans should be just about there now then.  Trouble is he's 56  ;).  What happens if he stays like a strip of wind like Sid did?
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Mister E on January 31, 2015, 02:27:10 PM

This is where the club is letting these players down.  They should be actively seeking clubs where young players can go and play regularly.  Ideally we would form on going partnerships, but that sort of strategic thinking seems beyond us at the moment.
...
Agreed - other clubs seem much more proactive in getting their young talents out on loan to clubs that will add some development value. I'm sure that the Notts Co experience was good but wouldn't it be great if he was at Watford, Derby or Bournemouth right now?
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 31, 2015, 02:30:38 PM
I don't get the criticism here. Villa send loads of players out on loan at various levels. I'm sure if a club called for Grealish and the player was open to it he'd be gone already. Grealish has an agent and if the club have said he can go on loan the agent should be the one driving interest.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 31, 2015, 02:45:03 PM
I don't get the criticism here. Villa send loads of players out on loan at various levels. I'm sure if a club called for Grealish and the player was open to it he'd be gone already. Grealish has an agent and if the club have said he can go on loan the agent should be the one driving interest.

Personally, I'm (mildly) disappointed that the club is not proactively seeking clubs for Players like Grelish.  Taking ownership - rather than waiting for an approach - would mean that we can find a club which is right for the player.  To help Jack's development, I think he probably needs to play about 30 competitive matches this season which won't happen if we sit on hands and wait for others to take the initiative.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on January 31, 2015, 02:55:56 PM
and it is time for Aston Villa to have a partnership with lower level club which is to develop young players and supply them access to our academy, it should be Aston Villa B team. Let say Chesterfield for example.
 
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 31, 2015, 03:05:25 PM
I don't get the criticism here. Villa send loads of players out on loan at various levels. I'm sure if a club called for Grealish and the player was open to it he'd be gone already. Grealish has an agent and if the club have said he can go on loan the agent should be the one driving interest.

Personally, I'm (mildly) disappointed that the club is not proactively seeking clubs for Players like Grelish.  Taking ownership - rather than waiting for an approach - would mean that we can find a club which is right for the player's development.  To help Jack's development, I think he probably needs to play about 30 competitive matches this season which won't happen if we sit on hands and wait for others to take the initiative.

The club doesn't need to do that. It's not like they have make 70 odd phone calls to clubs in the Championship and lower to make them known of a players availability. That's what the agent is for so he should proactively doing that on behalf of his client. The club would have informed the agent that his player is available for loan. I have never viewed Villa as sitting on their hands when it comes to player development which is why so many of our academy have gone on have careers in the game.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: b23 on January 31, 2015, 03:08:21 PM
and it is time for Aston Villa to have a partnership with lower level club which is to develop young players and supply them access to our academy, it should be Aston Villa B team. Let say Chesterfield for example.
 

Yes.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 31, 2015, 03:10:02 PM
No.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 31, 2015, 03:30:14 PM
I don't get the criticism here. Villa send loads of players out on loan at various levels. I'm sure if a club called for Grealish and the player was open to it he'd be gone already. Grealish has an agent and if the club have said he can go on loan the agent should be the one driving interest.

Personally, I'm (mildly) disappointed that the club is not proactively seeking clubs for Players like Grelish.  Taking ownership - rather than waiting for an approach - would mean that we can find a club which is right for the player's development.  To help Jack's development, I think he probably needs to play about 30 competitive matches this season which won't happen if we sit on hands and wait for others to take the initiative.

The club doesn't need to do that. It's not like they have make 70 odd phone calls to clubs in the Championship and lower to make them known of a players availability. That's what the agent is for so he should proactively doing that on behalf of his client. The club would have informed the agent that his player is available for loan. I have never viewed Villa as sitting on their hands when it comes to player development which is why so many of our academy have gone on have careers in the game.

I think we'll have to agree to disagree here.  BTW I'm not saying that the club's youth/development system is bad, just that they can always look at ways of improving, a la the 'marginal gains' which Brailsford bangs on about.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: paul_e on January 31, 2015, 03:32:19 PM
I don't get the criticism here. Villa send loads of players out on loan at various levels. I'm sure if a club called for Grealish and the player was open to it he'd be gone already. Grealish has an agent and if the club have said he can go on loan the agent should be the one driving interest.

Personally, I'm (mildly) disappointed that the club is not proactively seeking clubs for Players like Grelish.  Taking ownership - rather than waiting for an approach - would mean that we can find a club which is right for the player's development.  To help Jack's development, I think he probably needs to play about 30 competitive matches this season which won't happen if we sit on hands and wait for others to take the initiative.

The club doesn't need to do that. It's not like they have make 70 odd phone calls to clubs in the Championship and lower to make them known of a players availability. That's what the agent is for so he should proactively doing that on behalf of his client. The club would have informed the agent that his player is available for loan. I have never viewed Villa as sitting on their hands when it comes to player development which is why so many of our academy have gone on have careers in the game.

I think we'll have to agree to disagree here.  BTW I'm not saying that the club's youth/development system is bad, just that they can always look at ways of improving, a la the 'marginal gains' which Brailsford bangs on about.

The thing is, if the players agent can do that then why shouldn't the club employ an agent to do it for their benefit?  Marginal gains is absolutely the key.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Handsworth Wood Villa on February 02, 2015, 07:55:30 AM
and it is time for Aston Villa to have a partnership with lower level club which is to develop young players and supply them access to our academy, it should be Aston Villa B team. Let say Chesterfield for example.

Walsall?
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Dave Cooper please on February 02, 2015, 11:09:52 AM
I'm sure the fans of Chesterfield or Walsall will be dead chuffed by this suggestion.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 02, 2015, 11:16:43 AM
and it is time for Aston Villa to have a partnership with lower level club which is to develop young players and supply them access to our academy, it should be Aston Villa B team. Let say Chesterfield for example.

If we wait a short while, that lower club we could form a partnership with could actually be ourselves.

Stick that one in your false narrative and smoke it.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: TheMalandro on February 02, 2015, 11:26:54 AM
and it is time for Aston Villa to have a partnership with lower level club which is to develop young players and supply them access to our academy, it should be Aston Villa B team. Let say Chesterfield for example.

If we wait a short while, that lower club we could form a partnership with could actually be ourselves.

Stick that one in your false narrative and smoke it.
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Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: steffo on February 02, 2015, 11:38:45 AM
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I'm sure the fans of Chesterfield or Walsall will be dead chuffed by this suggestion.

Chesterfield dumped us out of the FA Youth Cup this season.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: PeterWithe on February 02, 2015, 12:30:36 PM
Did he go to Forest in the end?
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Pete on February 02, 2015, 03:19:07 PM
Did he go to Forest in the end?

No - fell through because of Pearce getting sacked (and it's said they were offering less wages than some other clubs). Paper talk is now that he could be off to Wolves.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Ron Manager on February 02, 2015, 03:26:26 PM
Did he go to Forest in the end?

No - fell through because of Pearce getting sacked (and it's said they were offering less wages than some other clubs). Paper talk is now that he could be off to Wolves.

No he's not. Kenny Jackett said two weeks ago he isn't interested in taking Jack on loan.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 03, 2015, 02:23:54 PM
So he's here for the duration now then? Doubt he'll get a game.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Mossie Hennebry on February 04, 2015, 09:15:18 AM
Quick, Lambert, look!

http://bit.ly/1vs026T - Jack Grealish reminds me of Barca star Andres Iniesta, says Gabby.

For me, he is a bit lightweight. But, he is very exciting and enthusiastic. Stick him in against Chelsea and at the very least we should get a shed load of set pieces out of him from the kicking that he would get.

Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: supertom on February 04, 2015, 03:48:41 PM
I think he'll be a much better player once he loses the Bud Bundy haircut.
(http://www.ionlitio.com/images/2011/01/matrimonio-con-hijos-bud-bundy.jpg)
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Gregorys Boy on February 05, 2015, 11:50:58 AM
Was praying for him to come on in the second half Sunday, should have known it wouldn't happen ::)

Since we're at home Saturday, maybe start him and Sinclair :-X
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Smoke on February 05, 2015, 11:57:17 AM
Seen as he wasn't on the bench on Sunday you really should have known it wouldn't happen!
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Gregorys Boy on February 05, 2015, 11:58:54 AM
Oh well I could barely hear a thing when they read out the subs and just assumed that he would be among the subs at least ;D
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on April 08, 2015, 07:07:37 PM
Anyone else other than me think this lad has/is being overhyped.?
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: john e on April 08, 2015, 07:10:01 PM
Anyone else other than me think this lad has/is being overhyped.?

exactly the opposite I think,
 there are plenty on here who don't think he's worth a place in the team,
 yet I think he was one of our better players last night
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Ads on April 08, 2015, 07:23:56 PM
No, I think he looks a very good player.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on April 08, 2015, 07:29:31 PM
It was certainly his best game last night. Still loads of room for improvement but overall, the kid did good.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Mortimer's Bear on April 08, 2015, 07:35:33 PM
I haven't seen enough of the lad to forge an opinion either way.

A few months ago I was at a function and had a lengthy chat with Gordon Cowans about Grealish and he was raving about him, he seemed convinced that he can go as far as he wants in the game.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Legion on April 08, 2015, 07:42:50 PM
I have seen him play many, many times and I think he has got what it takes.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 08, 2015, 07:43:45 PM
For a 19 year old with only a handful of appearances he looks fine.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Monty on April 08, 2015, 07:44:35 PM
Grealish wasn't absolutely devastating yesterday, but he was very assured in one of the hardest positions in the sport. There were a couple of times where he turned and ran with the ball, beating a few players, and it looked totally effortless. He's definitely very talented.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: brian green on April 08, 2015, 08:08:47 PM
Agree with all the praise but even at nineteen he still looks terribly immature.   The range of skills he has to blossom really needs physical hardness.  I know he is on a different football planet but George Best combined sublime skills with being as hard as a bag of spanners.   Stan Matthews and Tom Finney were just the same.   Kick them, hack them, trip them, put them into the terraces and they still got up and did you.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Risso on April 08, 2015, 08:12:46 PM
Agree with all the praise but even at nineteen he still looks terribly immature.   The range of skills he has to blossom really needs physical hardness.  I know he is on a different football planet but George Best combined sublime skills with being as hard as a bag of spanners.   Stan Matthews and Tom Finney were just the same.   Kick them, hack them, trip them, put them into the terraces and they still got up and did you.

A bit like Grealish did against Hull then, when what he was subjected to was nothing short of assault.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: brian green on April 08, 2015, 08:37:45 PM
Yes, just like that Riss.   The more he develops the more he will be targeted and I worry that he does not yet seem to have the physique to take all the punishment.   I always remember how David Lacey of The Guardian described a game when we stuffed the Arsenal.   He said that Tony Daley running through the Arsenal defence was like a harvest mouse running through a threshing machine.  It's the treatment gifted players get.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: silhillvilla on April 08, 2015, 09:08:01 PM
Luckily he seems to bounce off defenders and come out unscathed . I think we will see the best of him next season.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: alan_clarke on April 08, 2015, 09:23:24 PM
I do worry he'll prove to be a bit lightweight for the Prem but he impressed me last night - showed he is a class above the likes of Bannan etc...whether he can defy his size like the likes of Juninho and Zola remains to be seen. If he is half the player of either of them though he'll do ok!
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Ad@m on April 08, 2015, 09:53:00 PM
Anyone else other than me think this lad has/is being overhyped.?

I'm with you. I've only seen his first team appearances so not too many but in yet to see anything justifying the hype around him. In every game he makes a few runs but there's never an end product. He's lazy when out of possession and does no tracking back. And his corners last night were an absolute embarrassment.

I'm not writing him off, he may turn in to a great player (and I hope he does) but given the precarious nature of our predicament in the league CNZ and Gil are far more likely to affect a game than Grealish at the moment.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: hipkiss92 on April 08, 2015, 09:55:04 PM
Anyone else other than me think this lad has/is being overhyped.?

I'm with you. I've only seen his first team appearances so not too many but in yet to see anything justifying the hype around him. In every game he makes a few runs but there's never an end product. He's lazy when out of possession and does no tracking back. And his corners last night were an absolute embarrassment.

I'm not writing him off, he may turn in to a great player (and I hope he does) but given the precarious nature of our predicament in the league CNZ and Gil are far more likely to affect a game than Grealish at the moment.

The only way CNZ affects a game is that I spend my time pondering how he ever made it as a footballer.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Ad@m on April 08, 2015, 09:57:36 PM
And yet within 60 seconds of coming on last night he won a free kick on the edge of the box which we scored from to salvage a point.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 08, 2015, 10:40:01 PM
Anyone else other than me think this lad has/is being overhyped.?

It's a lazy thing to say he's being overhyped when a lot on this forum and elsewhere aren't sure whether he should even be starting.

No one is linking him with 50m moves to Man. City either unlike say one Ross Barkley from Everton land who's had a poor season.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: passitsideways on April 09, 2015, 12:06:49 AM
I think he's done a fair job for a 19 year old kid in his first season, playing for a team who up until recently has been a mess going forward. Lack of end product as people say but that can come later, his link-up play and movement was pretty decent last night. Can't expect everyone at that age to look as assured as, say, Cesc Fabregas was.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: supertom on April 09, 2015, 12:25:39 AM
Not sure what else the lad can do. I thought he played well yesterday, certainly in the first half before running out of steam. He was one of the few, Benteke aside, who seemed to have composure on the ball in the final third. He's only 19, it was his first Prem start. I thought he coped pretty well and looked confident.
I wouldn't say he's overhyped either. We're not expecting the next Rooney here by any stretch. Maybe we've got the next Hendrie, which as things currently stand, wouldn't be a bad thing. He created openings. He had 3 shots on goal. He's poor defensively, but he's a playmaker. It's not his job. We desperately need someone a bit mercurial. He was always looking for the ball too and trying to find space.

Give him a chance.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 09, 2015, 12:27:57 AM
I don't think anyone is overhyping the new Messi.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: adrenachrome on April 09, 2015, 02:23:27 AM
BBC Sport (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/32218865)

Quote

Aston Villa midfielder Jack Grealish says having his socks rolled down during games is a superstition.

The 19-year-old made his first Premier League start in Tuesday's 3-3 draw with fellow strugglers Queens Park Rangers.

"It's a superstition that I've done all my life and I'm going to keep it that way," Grealish told BBC WM 95.6.
"A few referees have tried telling me but I've got to keep it like that. I haven't had a kick on my shin yet and hopefully not any time soon."

After spending most of last season on loan at League One side Notts County, Grealish made his Villa debut in the penultimate game of the Premier League campaign at Manchester City.
His full debut came in the League Cup defeat by Leyton Orient last August and after 10 appearances from the bench in the league, Grealish began a match for the first time against QPR.
It was a bit of a tough game to get my first start, in a big relegation scrap, but I'm pleased even if I'm not happy about how the game ended up," he said.

"I try and see it as any other football match but it's nice that the gaffer has got that faith in me and hopefully I can try to get a few more starts before the end of the season.
"He said I deserve my start which is nice to hear and it really gives me a bit of a boost."

Grealish is also hoping the experience in Villa's squad will continue to be a major factor in his development at Villa Park.
"When you've got players like Carlos Sanchez, Fabian Delph and Tom Cleverley behind you, it makes it easy with Christian Benteke and Gabby Agbonlahor in front of me.
"I've always got these experienced players talking to me and helping me."


Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: villadelph on April 09, 2015, 03:37:39 AM
Overhype a kid that just debuted..?  :o

He didn't look out of place and is more of a threat than Weimann!
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Matt Collins on April 09, 2015, 06:00:35 AM
I thought he did well without being outstanding. He moved well, showed some nice touches, including a lovely couple of bits of interplay with cleverley and beat his man easily a couple of times. More than anything else he wants the ball in tight situations and looks to make progress while not giving it away very much. He's almost the antithesis of someone like wiemann in that respect.

His corners were dross and he failed to read the play or react well enough two or three times. So there's room for improvement and I wouldn't start him many more times this season personally.

But he's looked a lot better than the majority of our kids did at nineteen - including people who've gone on to have good careers (hendrie, Gardner, gabby, clark). I'd say he's looked a lot more ready than any of them did

Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: olaftab on April 09, 2015, 06:13:10 AM
Grealish can play football and has to talent to succeed at highest level. Now it's a question of opportunity and application. Former is with the management and latter his determination. Let's see.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Ron Manager on April 09, 2015, 08:10:50 AM
I'm with those who think too much has been made of young Jack too soon. Yes he can beat his opposition player with close skill but at the moment that's about it. Mark Walters could do that and be effective for the team.The closest comparison I can think of is Dave Roberts in the 1960s. He too could beat players but had no end product. He drifted into the lower divisions after around twenty appearances and had a very good career mainly with Shrewsbury.

Jack needs to get his head down and work on his dead ball skills and corners which were far from satisfactory in the QPR game.. He might be useful in the long run, we shall see.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Mister E on April 09, 2015, 08:20:40 AM
I was impressed with his movement, first touch and decision-making. I thought his capacity to drift past defenders was particularly impressive.
What he needs to do is to strengthen up over the summer and improve his shooting. This latter point is key: he created chances for himself but struggled to deliver the final piece - a decent shot.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Matt Collins on April 09, 2015, 09:15:52 AM
He's 19 and this was his full debut
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: ROBBO on April 09, 2015, 09:26:57 AM
I got the impression that his corners were to instruction, all were to the near post, the lad has the skill to play the ball deep when neccessary. The fact he took most of the early corners indicates it was something they had practised. Didn't work granted but i think he was playing to instruction.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: OCD on April 09, 2015, 12:28:31 PM
I got the impression that his corners were to instruction, all were to the near post, the lad has the skill to play the ball deep when neccessary. The fact he took most of the early corners indicates it was something they had practised. Didn't work granted but i think he was playing to instruction.

I said this on another thread but I think it's worth repeating. His first 2 or 3 corners were very good and looked like they would cause problems. Then they fell apart were awful and led to others taking over. I've seen the same pattern from him before. So he's capable of good set-pieces but hasn't mastered consistency yet. That will come with more experience.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Hookeysmith on April 09, 2015, 12:33:04 PM
When a few behind the dug out were moaning and groaning TS said to all of them to back the kid and to "give him a chance FFS"

Have to agree - we want him to play so when he does we need to encourage. I think TS threw him in as an unknown quantity and QPR did struggle to pick him up, especially in the first half
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Villa in Denmark on April 09, 2015, 12:38:13 PM
I got the impression that his corners were to instruction, all were to the near post, the lad has the skill to play the ball deep when neccessary. The fact he took most of the early corners indicates it was something they had practised. Didn't work granted but i think he was playing to instruction.

I said this on another thread but I think it's worth repeating. His first 2 or 3 corners were very good and looked like they would cause problems. Then they fell apart were awful and led to others taking over. I've seen the same pattern from him before. So he's capable of good set-pieces but hasn't mastered consistency yet. That will come with more experience.

Didn't the run of dodgy corners start just after he'd fluffed that 1 on 1 with Green.

Probably trying too hard and then the technique goes to rat shit, especially for stuff you've got time to think about.  His general play was still decent where he was "just doing what comes naturally."
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: supertom on April 09, 2015, 01:03:53 PM
He doesn't look overawed. He's confident on the ball. The natural talent is clearly there and the rest will come. I personally wouldn't want him expending too much energy tracking back and closing down opposition attackers. I want him free to make things happen in the final third, and he showed he could do that. City don't ask Silva to track back, Chelsea don't ask Hazard. I'm not comparing him to them, but in terms of their roles in the side.

The lack of quality attackers coming through our ranks has been a point of contention for years now. We've got Grealish who's very gifted with the ball at his feet, but still that's not good enough for some. If he falls the way of Delfouneso in a couple of years then we can start moaning.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Ad@m on April 09, 2015, 01:41:09 PM
He's 19 and this was his full debut

I haven't seen anyone say he doesn't show promise.  The criticism is aimed at the guy chucking him in to the first team when we don't have the luxury of carrying players who aren't yet ready.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: supertom on April 09, 2015, 04:57:48 PM
He's 19 and this was his full debut

I haven't seen anyone say he doesn't show promise.  The criticism is aimed at the guy chucking him in to the first team when we don't have the luxury of carrying players who aren't yet ready.
I don't think we were carrying him at all. He looked the part. Certainly more so than Sanchez the 28 year old Colombian international. I don't think we have many players in our squad who look as comfortable on the ball as Jack. Granted Gil would be one, but there's clearly something amiss there.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: aj2k77 on April 09, 2015, 05:19:58 PM
Some of the midfield displays from more experienced players this season have been complete shockers. The kid's doing alright, he's ready, not at his full potential yet but he's more than holding his own right now.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: john e on April 09, 2015, 05:34:03 PM
He's 19 and this was his full debut

I haven't seen anyone say he doesn't show promise.  The criticism is aimed at the guy chucking him in to the first team when we don't have the luxury of carrying players who aren't yet ready.

id still put him in every time before N'zog who's been here 4 years and had two decent games
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Ad@m on April 09, 2015, 06:40:03 PM
He's 19 and this was his full debut

I haven't seen anyone say he doesn't show promise.  The criticism is aimed at the guy chucking him in to the first team when we don't have the luxury of carrying players who aren't yet ready.

id still put him in every time before N'zog who's been here 4 years and had two decent games

But as has been said before within 60 seconds of coming on CNZ won the free-kick we scored from, thus contributing more to the result than Grealish had in the 70 minutes he was on the pitch.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Rudy65 on April 09, 2015, 06:51:07 PM
He would be in my first 11 for the rest of the season. He provides something others in our squad havent got.

Charlie is better to come on later in the game like on Tuesday.

Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Monty on April 09, 2015, 07:02:27 PM
He's clearly more of an attacking midfielder than a winger. He's not that quick, but he can make space out of nothing with a sharp turn and can glide away from opponents with ease. As he gets a little smarter and savvier about his play we'll see something really special, I think.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: brian green on April 09, 2015, 07:22:06 PM
I think the gift he has which you saw in Gazza at the same age is to do the unexpected.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: john e on April 09, 2015, 07:33:33 PM
He's 19 and this was his full debut

I haven't seen anyone say he doesn't show promise.  The criticism is aimed at the guy chucking him in to the first team when we don't have the luxury of carrying players who aren't yet ready.

id still put him in every time before N'zog who's been here 4 years and had two decent games

But as has been said before within 60 seconds of coming on CNZ won the free-kick we scored from, thus contributing more to the result than Grealish had in the 70 minutes he was on the pitch.

That's pretty poor , your gonna have to do better than that
The best thing he did all game was get fouled, are you really saying that

When you watched the match, and see Grealish as part of an attack that's creating and ripping QPR to shreds especially in the first half,
and all you can see is a fella that comes on and gets fouled just outside the box, and for this he's had a better game than the youngster

Is this really how you see the game, that's the way you watch football, a man with two decent games in 4 years both when Villa were flying, is an influential player ?
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Mister E on April 09, 2015, 07:44:25 PM
Grealish has that magic which enables him to drift past players, and his first touch and passing range are excellent.
He will be a real asset and needs game time.
As I said earlier, my only feedback to him right now would be to get stronger and practise his shooting. He had several shots on goal on Tuesday and all were like back passes.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: OCD on April 09, 2015, 08:10:14 PM
He does have an elegance and seems to glide over the pitch with the ball stuck to his feet. He needs to be used appropriately but the potential is there for all to see.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 09, 2015, 08:13:05 PM
What makes him look a potentially very good player is how easy he makes it seem.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Ad@m on April 09, 2015, 08:16:50 PM
He's 19 and this was his full debut

I haven't seen anyone say he doesn't show promise.  The criticism is aimed at the guy chucking him in to the first team when we don't have the luxury of carrying players who aren't yet ready.

id still put him in every time before N'zog who's been here 4 years and had two decent games

But as has been said before within 60 seconds of coming on CNZ won the free-kick we scored from, thus contributing more to the result than Grealish had in the 70 minutes he was on the pitch.

That's pretty poor , your gonna have to do better than that
The best thing he did all game was get fouled, are you really saying that

When you watched the match, and see Grealish as part of an attack that's creating and ripping QPR to shreds especially in the first half,
and all you can see is a fella that comes on and gets fouled just outside the box, and for this he's had a better game than the youngster

Is this really how you see the game, that's the way you watch football, a man with two decent games in 4 years both when Villa were flying, is an influential player ?

Grealish had zero involvement in any of our three goals.  Great, so he is good on the ball and can wriggle his way out of trouble.  So can Gil and Gil also presents a goal threat, as he showed against Bournemouth.  CNZ is a bit more direct and clumsy than either Grealish or Gil but that direct approach scared the crap out of some tired QPR defenders such that they hauled him down on the edge of the box and we scored from the resulting free kick.

Whether it fits your view of the world or not, Grealish simply hasn't done anything to directly influence any first team game he's played in so far.  I'm not saying he's a poor player, and I'd agree with anyone who said he's got more promise than CNZ.  I'd also agree with anyone who says CNZ has generally been a monumental waste of time and money.  But at this stage of Grealish's career and at this stage of our season he is the wrong man for the job.  In my view he's just not ready yet.  We're better off with Gil or CNZ in that role.

I really hope he proves me wrong, but as was said yesterday on this thread, I agree that there's been nothing in the first team games he's played so far for me to think he's earned the hype he's been given.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: old man villa fan on April 09, 2015, 08:42:06 PM
He's 19 and this was his full debut

I haven't seen anyone say he doesn't show promise.  The criticism is aimed at the guy chucking him in to the first team when we don't have the luxury of carrying players who aren't yet ready.

id still put him in every time before N'zog who's been here 4 years and had two decent games

But as has been said before within 60 seconds of coming on CNZ won the free-kick we scored from, thus contributing more to the result than Grealish had in the 70 minutes he was on the pitch.

That's pretty poor , your gonna have to do better than that
The best thing he did all game was get fouled, are you really saying that

When you watched the match, and see Grealish as part of an attack that's creating and ripping QPR to shreds especially in the first half,
and all you can see is a fella that comes on and gets fouled just outside the box, and for this he's had a better game than the youngster

Is this really how you see the game, that's the way you watch football, a man with two decent games in 4 years both when Villa were flying, is an influential player ?

Grealish had zero involvement in any of our three goals.  Great, so he is good on the ball and can wriggle his way out of trouble.  So can Gil and Gil also presents a goal threat, as he showed against Bournemouth.  CNZ is a bit more direct and clumsy than either Grealish or Gil but that direct approach scared the crap out of some tired QPR defenders such that they hauled him down on the edge of the box and we scored from the resulting free kick.

Whether it fits your view of the world or not, Grealish simply hasn't done anything to directly influence any first team game he's played in so far.  I'm not saying he's a poor player, and I'd agree with anyone who said he's got more promise than CNZ.  I'd also agree with anyone who says CNZ has generally been a monumental waste of time and money.  But at this stage of Grealish's career and at this stage of our season he is the wrong man for the job.  In my view he's just not ready yet.  We're better off with Gil or CNZ in that role.

I really hope he proves me wrong, but as was said yesterday on this thread, I agree that there's been nothing in the first team games he's played so far for me to think he's earned the hype he's been given.

The big difference between the two players is that Grealish looks to pass the ball.  Can you say that about CNZ.  I am sorry but CNZ has had too many chances in the team and failed to deliver.  The season out injured has done for him.  He doesn't move freely like he did at Wigan and seems to be carrying too much weight/muscle.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: john e on April 09, 2015, 09:40:05 PM
He's 19 and this was his full debut

I haven't seen anyone say he doesn't show promise.  The criticism is aimed at the guy chucking him in to the first team when we don't have the luxury of carrying players who aren't yet ready.

id still put him in every time before N'zog who's been here 4 years and had two decent games

But as has been said before within 60 seconds of coming on CNZ won the free-kick we scored from, thus contributing more to the result than Grealish had in the 70 minutes he was on the pitch.

That's pretty poor , your gonna have to do better than that
The best thing he did all game was get fouled, are you really saying that

When you watched the match, and see Grealish as part of an attack that's creating and ripping QPR to shreds especially in the first half,
and all you can see is a fella that comes on and gets fouled just outside the box, and for this he's had a better game than the youngster

Is this really how you see the game, that's the way you watch football, a man with two decent games in 4 years both when Villa were flying, is an influential player ?

Grealish had zero involvement in any of our three goals.  Great, so he is good on the ball and can wriggle his way out of trouble.  So can Gil and Gil also presents a goal threat, as he showed against Bournemouth.  CNZ is a bit more direct and clumsy than either Grealish or Gil but that direct approach scared the crap out of some tired QPR defenders such that they hauled him down on the edge of the box and we scored from the resulting free kick.

Whether it fits your view of the world or not, Grealish simply hasn't done anything to directly influence any first team game he's played in so far.  I'm not saying he's a poor player, and I'd agree with anyone who said he's got more promise than CNZ.  I'd also agree with anyone who says CNZ has generally been a monumental waste of time and money.  But at this stage of Grealish's career and at this stage of our season he is the wrong man for the job.  In my view he's just not ready yet.  We're better off with Gil or CNZ in that role.

I really hope he proves me wrong, but as was said yesterday on this thread, I agree that there's been nothing in the first team games he's played so far for me to think he's earned the hype he's been given.

well, all I can say is I'm glad your not the manager any more
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: paul_e on April 09, 2015, 10:05:29 PM
He's clearly more of an attacking midfielder than a winger. He's not that quick, but he can make space out of nothing with a sharp turn and can glide away from opponents with ease. As he gets a little smarter and savvier about his play we'll see something really special, I think.

The first time I saw him I marked him as a '10' (as I call them) on here, he's got the brain and close skills to dictate things in there.  What I really like about him that I've not seen mentioned is how well he plays the ball into the space in front of people so they run onto it without breaking stride.  It added so much 'zip' to our play in the first half where I thought he was excellent considering it was his debut.

He needs a bit more upper body strength because caulker and sandro did rough him up a bit too easily at times but he's 19, that will come so long as he's willing to put the effort in (and I'm certain that he is from what I've seen of him).  He also needs to work on his shooting, which looks like a lack of confidence rather than a lack of ability.

I'm with Monty, with a bit of luck and a good attitude he can become a fantastic player, he has all the skills, he just needs the mental and physical strength to back them up.  For all my reservations about Sherwood I think he could be a great influence on Jack over the next year or so.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Richard E on April 09, 2015, 10:09:57 PM
He's 19 and this was his full debut

I haven't seen anyone say he doesn't show promise.  The criticism is aimed at the guy chucking him in to the first team when we don't have the luxury of carrying players who aren't yet ready.

id still put him in every time before N'zog who's been here 4 years and had two decent games

But as has been said before within 60 seconds of coming on CNZ won the free-kick we scored from, thus contributing more to the result than Grealish had in the 70 minutes he was on the pitch.

That's pretty poor , your gonna have to do better than that
The best thing he did all game was get fouled, are you really saying that

When you watched the match, and see Grealish as part of an attack that's creating and ripping QPR to shreds especially in the first half,
and all you can see is a fella that comes on and gets fouled just outside the box, and for this he's had a better game than the youngster

Is this really how you see the game, that's the way you watch football, a man with two decent games in 4 years both when Villa were flying, is an influential player ?

Grealish had zero involvement in any of our three goals.  Great, so he is good on the ball and can wriggle his way out of trouble.  So can Gil and Gil also presents a goal threat, as he showed against Bournemouth.  CNZ is a bit more direct and clumsy than either Grealish or Gil but that direct approach scared the crap out of some tired QPR defenders such that they hauled him down on the edge of the box and we scored from the resulting free kick.

Whether it fits your view of the world or not, Grealish simply hasn't done anything to directly influence any first team game he's played in so far.  I'm not saying he's a poor player, and I'd agree with anyone who said he's got more promise than CNZ.  I'd also agree with anyone who says CNZ has generally been a monumental waste of time and money.  But at this stage of Grealish's career and at this stage of our season he is the wrong man for the job.  In my view he's just not ready yet.  We're better off with Gil or CNZ in that role.

I really hope he proves me wrong, but as was said yesterday on this thread, I agree that there's been nothing in the first team games he's played so far for me to think he's earned the hype he's been given.

well, all I can say is I'm glad your not the manager any more

I think you're getting your Ads in a twist.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: john e on April 10, 2015, 12:07:38 AM
Oh yeah, Ads Adam it's close
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: paul_e on April 10, 2015, 12:45:42 AM
Ad@m - how narrow is your view?  Grealish wasn't involved in the first 2 goals but he was a core part of the overall performance in the first half which was one of the best attacking performances I've seen from the team for years.  He put Cleverley and Bacuna clear on the right 4-5 times and we didn't make the most of it.

Gil has a lot of promise but has also shown in the Stoke game that, right now, he's not ready for the physical aspects of the league, people on this thread are saying the same about Grealish but I'd say he's a year further along on that side of things having had his season with Notts County.  Yes he gets bullied a bit still but importantly he bounces back and doesn't hide, for me Gil went missing after getting roughed up by nzonzi which is why we haven't seen him since.

Nzog is much better suited to coming off the bench and trying to have an impact, in my opinion.  He can't pass and he runs down blind alleys, but if he's fresh and running at defenders who've been bullied by the beast and given the run around by Gabby he can draw fouls or find gaps that wouldnt have been there in the first half.  I actually think an hour of Jack and half hour of Charlie was the right call and it worked.  Rico in for Lowton was the mistake that cost us the 3 points (in my opinion).
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Ad@m on April 10, 2015, 06:43:21 AM
Please dont patronize me by accusing me of having a narrow view just because it differs from yours.

The first half attacking display was good but it wasn't as good as the first half of the league game against the Baggies so let's not get carried away. And as for putting Bacuna and Cleverly clear on the right - Sanchez did that more than four or five times such was the space we had down the right hand side.

A lot of opinion on Grealish seems to be tainted by the fact he's come through the youth setup. But the problem is that promise isn't going to get us out of trouble now.

I agree he looks talented and I really hope he turns in to a star but so far he's done nothing to justify the hype. He shows a trick and an ability to beat a man but we have other players who can play that position, have that skill but then also have an end product.

Sherwood started him on Tuesday to maintain his image of giving youth a chance but I hope Grealish doesn't start any more matches as I don't think he's ready yet.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Rigadon on April 10, 2015, 06:47:45 AM
Ad@m - how narrow is your view?  Grealish wasn't involved in the first 2 goals but he was a core part of the overall performance in the first half which was one of the best attacking performances I've seen from the team for years.  He put Cleverley and Bacuna clear on the right 4-5 times and we didn't make the most of it.

Gil has a lot of promise but has also shown in the Stoke game that, right now, he's not ready for the physical aspects of the league, people on this thread are saying the same about Grealish but I'd say he's a year further along on that side of things having had his season with Notts County.  Yes he gets bullied a bit still but importantly he bounces back and doesn't hide, for me Gil went missing after getting roughed up by nzonzi which is why we haven't seen him since.

Nzog is much better suited to coming off the bench and trying to have an impact, in my opinion.  He can't pass and he runs down blind alleys, but if he's fresh and running at defenders who've been bullied by the beast and given the run around by Gabby he can draw fouls or find gaps that wouldnt have been there in the first half.  I actually think an hour of Jack and half hour of Charlie was the right call and it worked.  Rico in for Lowton was the mistake that cost us the 3 points (in my opinion).

Agree with most of that. 

I saw for the first time the other night that Grealish is a really exciting talent.  He is comfortable on the ball in tight spaces and with a bit more first team action will be great, I think.  He's probably showing a bit more in training than Gill and at the moment you can't have both in the team (we're lightweight as it is, especially with Lowton/Richardson and Bacuna as wing backs).
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: peter w on April 10, 2015, 06:56:03 AM
Please dont patronize me by accusing me of having a narrow view just because it differs from yours.


Could be wrong but I don't think paul e is saying that you're narrow-minded but having a narrow view on looking just at who sets up a goal and then defining their game upon it. As has been said he played well in the first half, passed the ball well, glided past opponents at times, and nearly scored. All plusses to take from it. Like any footballer anywhere he will also be focussing on the bad things that he did because he'll want to rid them from his game.

To coin what paul e (I think) said/meant it is a narrow view to then look at that and say - did he set up any goals?
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Clampy on April 10, 2015, 07:20:57 AM
I think Grealish did fine for his full debut. I'm not sure what some people expect from a 19 year old kid sometimes.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Ron Manager on April 10, 2015, 08:11:35 AM
Ad@m - how narrow is your view?  Grealish wasn't involved in the first 2 goals but he was a core part of the overall performance in the first half which was one of the best attacking performances I've seen from the team for years.  He put Cleverley and Bacuna clear on the right 4-5 times and we didn't make the most of it.

Gil has a lot of promise but has also shown in the Stoke game that, right now, he's not ready for the physical aspects of the league, people on this thread are saying the same about Grealish but I'd say he's a year further along on that side of things having had his season with Notts County.  Yes he gets bullied a bit still but importantly he bounces back and doesn't hide, for me Gil went missing after getting roughed up by nzonzi which is why we haven't seen him since.

Nzog is much better suited to coming off the bench and trying to have an impact, in my opinion.  He can't pass and he runs down blind alleys, but if he's fresh and running at defenders who've been bullied by the beast and given the run around by Gabby he can draw fouls or find gaps that wouldnt have been there in the first half.  I actually think an hour of Jack and half hour of Charlie was the right call and it worked.  Rico in for Lowton was the mistake that cost us the 3 points (in my opinion).

Agree with most of that. 

I saw for the first time the other night that Grealish is a really exciting talent.  He is comfortable on the ball in tight spaces and with a bit more first team action will be great, I think.  He's probably showing a bit more in training than Gill and at the moment you can't have both in the team (we're lightweight as it is, especially with Lowton/Richardson and Bacuna as wing backs).

 I tend to veer towards Ad@m,s view of Grealish at this present time,  he should most certainly have scored when he had that one to one with Rob Green. To lift the ball over the goalkeeper in that situation would be fairly easy for 'a really exciting talent. ' Matt Le Tissier is a prime example of the above.

I have no doubt he will play at White Hart Lane and we shall look forward to see if he has been working on the aspects of his game he needs to improve on. He has to pile a few pounds on as Agbonlahor did a few seasons ago and David D'ea did before this season.
It can be done if he is dedicated to his profession. Lets hope he drops Twitter and concentrates on his football then we might have a player on our hands.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: john e on April 10, 2015, 08:55:02 AM
Please dont patronize me by accusing me of having a narrow view just because it differs from yours.

The first half attacking display was good but it wasn't as good as the first half of the league game against the Baggies so let's not get carried away. And as for putting Bacuna and Cleverly clear on the right - Sanchez did that more than four or five times such was the space we had down the right hand side.

A lot of opinion on Grealish seems to be tainted by the fact he's come through the youth setup. But the problem is that promise isn't going to get us out of trouble now.

I agree he looks talented and I really hope he turns in to a star but so far he's done nothing to justify the hype. He shows a trick and an ability to beat a man but we have other players who can play that position, have that skill but then also have an end product.

Sherwood started him on Tuesday to maintain his image of giving youth a chance but I hope Grealish doesn't start any more matches as I don't think he's ready yet.

Bannan also came through the youth set up but it didn't stop him getting merciless stick to the point where the lad was shot before he even came on

so I'm not sure are views are coloured by that, although I admit its always nice to see
I just say what I see, and I thought Grealish, Benteke and Delph were our top 3 performers against QPR,
 I don't really care how old he is how big he is where he's come from I just judge him on what I see, and what I saw the other night was good
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: aj2k77 on April 10, 2015, 09:06:08 AM
I think Grealish did fine for his full debut. I'm not sure what some people expect from a 19 year old kid sometimes.

A bicycle kick in off the bar, that's what I want.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Legion on April 10, 2015, 09:23:55 AM
From inside our own half.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Boz on April 10, 2015, 10:23:16 AM
Please dont patronize me by accusing me of having a narrow view just because it differs from yours.

The first half attacking display was good but it wasn't as good as the first half of the league game against the Baggies so let's not get carried away. And as for putting Bacuna and Cleverly clear on the right - Sanchez did that more than four or five times such was the space we had down the right hand side.

A lot of opinion on Grealish seems to be tainted by the fact he's come through the youth setup. But the problem is that promise isn't going to get us out of trouble now.

I agree he looks talented and I really hope he turns in to a star but so far he's done nothing to justify the hype. He shows a trick and an ability to beat a man but we have other players who can play that position, have that skill but then also have an end product.

Sherwood started him on Tuesday to maintain his image of giving youth a chance but I hope Grealish doesn't start any more matches as I don't think he's ready yet.

How do you know this?

Isn't it just your opinion, to which you're entitled of course?  ;)
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Monty on April 10, 2015, 10:42:27 AM
I think that's a little unfair on Sherwood - I'm not sure his image would be best maintained by relegating us, and I bet he's perfectly aware of that. It's fair enough if you don't think Grealish is up to it, though. Personally, I'd have him ahead of Zog but behind Gil, the demotion of whom remains totally mysterious to me.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 10, 2015, 10:52:14 AM
If he wanted to do that why wait until his 8th game as manager to start him?
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: paul_e on April 10, 2015, 11:44:20 AM
Please dont patronize me by accusing me of having a narrow view just because it differs from yours.


Could be wrong but I don't think paul e is saying that you're narrow-minded but having a narrow view on looking just at who sets up a goal and then defining their game upon it. As has been said he played well in the first half, passed the ball well, glided past opponents at times, and nearly scored. All plusses to take from it. Like any footballer anywhere he will also be focussing on the bad things that he did because he'll want to rid them from his game.

To coin what paul e (I think) said/meant it is a narrow view to then look at that and say - did he set up any goals?

Correct
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: paul_e on April 10, 2015, 12:00:07 PM
I think that's a little unfair on Sherwood - I'm not sure his image would be best maintained by relegating us, and I bet he's perfectly aware of that. It's fair enough if you don't think Grealish is up to it, though. Personally, I'd have him ahead of Zog but behind Gil, the demotion of whom remains totally mysterious to me.

As above, I'm convinced he's missing because of what Nzonzi did to him.  I'm not agreeing with Sherwood's decision but seeing someone get bullied like that and go into their shell would be enough for a lot of managers to pull them out of it for a while.  The reason Grealish may have moved in front of him is that when he gets roughed up he picks himself up and carries on.

There's a maturity in knowing that you get kicked because you're playing well and Grealish has it whereas I'm not sure Gil does just yet.  You only have to spend a few minutes looking for quotes from TS to get a clear impression that he doesn't want players to go missing.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Percy McCarthy on April 10, 2015, 12:01:42 PM
Agree with all the praise but even at nineteen he still looks terribly immature.   The range of skills he has to blossom really needs physical hardness.  I know he is on a different football planet but George Best combined sublime skills with being as hard as a bag of spanners.   Stan Matthews and Tom Finney were just the same.   Kick them, hack them, trip them, put them into the terraces and they still got up and did you.

Brian - is it true that Matthews always seemed to develop a bad back when faced with the prospect of playing against George Cummings?
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: supertom on April 10, 2015, 12:08:43 PM
Agree with all the praise but even at nineteen he still looks terribly immature.   The range of skills he has to blossom really needs physical hardness.  I know he is on a different football planet but George Best combined sublime skills with being as hard as a bag of spanners.   Stan Matthews and Tom Finney were just the same.   Kick them, hack them, trip them, put them into the terraces and they still got up and did you.

Brian - is it true that Matthews always seemed to develop a bad back when faced with the prospect of playing against George Cummings?
I think Grealish will win a lot of freekicks. I wouldn't want him beefing up too much. He's your classic slight winger and needs to stay that way. A gnats fart could blow Silva over, but he's good at what he does. He breezes past players.
Grealish impressed the hell out of me against Hull earlier in the season. He came on, they targeted him and really did a hatchet job on the boy, but he kept getting up and kept going and made things happen.

I think he did enough to earn a start in the next game. It's up to him to keep his place now. Sherwood will mix it up if he has to. If the level drops, he'll lose his place. I'm hoping Jack gets a run. The only way he'll build his stamina to Prem level is to play. He'll learn about what is required off the ball defensively the more he plays too. I don't think he's a shrinking violet by any means. He can take a buffeting and it also takes balls to play with those half shin pads in this league.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: dave shelley on April 10, 2015, 01:12:57 PM
Agree with all the praise but even at nineteen he still looks terribly immature.   The range of skills he has to blossom really needs physical hardness.  I know he is on a different football planet but George Best combined sublime skills with being as hard as a bag of spanners.   Stan Matthews and Tom Finney were just the same.   Kick them, hack them, trip them, put them into the terraces and they still got up and did you.

Brian - is it true that Matthews always seemed to develop a bad back when faced with the prospect of playing against George Cummings?

According to my old man Perce, there was always some slight injury that kept Mathews out when the opposition was The Villa.  The reason, he reckoned was that the way George Cummings dealt with him was hit him with a shoulder charge that almost put him in the crowd as a spectator.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: brian green on April 10, 2015, 01:37:48 PM
That is all perfectly true about Stan and the Bald Avenger. By the time of Dickie Dorsett and Harry Parkes Stan had already achieved sainthood and putting a man of his age in the crowd was not on. Towards the end of his career it was de rigeur to let him skin you. It was what the crowd had come to see.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Pat McMahon on April 10, 2015, 01:59:57 PM
Brian - was Stanley as good as they say?

On Tuesday on 5 Live Stuart Pearce said that Grealish reminded him of John Robertson - show you the ball then whip it away when you lunge in. Later in the commentary he said if he plays into his 30s he will be the most fouled player in the history of the game.

I see plenty of talent in Grealish but I think he will need to show defensive aptitude too if he is to make it at Villa. We cant have players who are only good when we have the ball.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: brian green on April 10, 2015, 02:10:54 PM
Stan was a football legend but it was an age of innocence a bit like the Africa Cup of Nations was like until the African players learned the nastier side of football. Stan and Finney and Mannion (very Grealish like) and Carter only had to cope with the muscularity of defences so they had room and time to weave their magic.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: john e on April 10, 2015, 05:42:53 PM
I don't go back far enough to have seen Stan,
 but my dad who lived in the S-o-Trent but was a Man Utd fan who saw the busby babes Duncan Edwards etc and George Best as well always said Mathews was the best footballer he ever saw

add to that my ex father-in -law, who was a lovely man cockney who supported Arsenal and had seen some pretty good teams in his lifetime, including Herbert Chapmans great side
I asked him one day who the best footballer he ever saw was, without even thinking for a second he said Stanley Mathews,
so he must have been a bit special in his day

Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Ron Manager on April 10, 2015, 07:50:10 PM
My father saw both Best and Matthews. He said Matthews was the best forward he had ever seen but George Best was the more complete player on the pitch.  Both world class though.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Mister E on April 10, 2015, 07:57:47 PM
Funnily enough, I was thinking of George Best when reflecting on Jack's first full performance. He has the same 'drift' as Best and I think he really does have the X factor.
Short-term, he needs to get more ruthless in front of goal.
Longer term, he just needs to cement a regular slot in the team. I suspect TS will ensure that next season.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Villa in Denmark on April 11, 2015, 09:36:41 AM
I think Grealish did fine for his full debut. I'm not sure what some people expect from a 19 year old kid sometimes.

A bicycle kick in off the bar, that's what I want.
From the half way line.



Whilst giving Richard Dunne, Neil Ruddock and Nigel Callaghan piggy backs.





After having one leg chopped off.





On a cold, wet night in Stoke.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 11, 2015, 12:04:49 PM
I think that's a little unfair on Sherwood - I'm not sure his image would be best maintained by relegating us, and I bet he's perfectly aware of that. It's fair enough if you don't think Grealish is up to it, though. Personally, I'd have him ahead of Zog but behind Gil, the demotion of whom remains totally mysterious to me.

As above, I'm convinced he's missing because of what Nzonzi did to him.  I'm not agreeing with Sherwood's decision but seeing someone get bullied like that and go into their shell would be enough for a lot of managers to pull them out of it for a while.  The reason Grealish may have moved in front of him is that when he gets roughed up he picks himself up and carries on.

There's a maturity in knowing that you get kicked because you're playing well and Grealish has it whereas I'm not sure Gil does just yet.  You only have to spend a few minutes looking for quotes from TS to get a clear impression that he doesn't want players to go missing.

Sherwood has said that Andros Towsend is one of his favourite players because he can fuck up 8/10 times but his head never drops and he'll keep trying (or something along those lines).  If that is a quality which he puts first, and Gil demonstrated the opposite, then it's easy to guess how TS has reached his decision.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: OCD on April 11, 2015, 12:21:11 PM
It's worrying that he likes a player that fucks up 8/10 times though!
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Mortimer's Bear on April 11, 2015, 01:13:04 PM
I fancy Grealish to cause Spurs some problems today, they are suspect at the back.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: paul_e on April 11, 2015, 01:50:18 PM
I think that's a little unfair on Sherwood - I'm not sure his image would be best maintained by relegating us, and I bet he's perfectly aware of that. It's fair enough if you don't think Grealish is up to it, though. Personally, I'd have him ahead of Zog but behind Gil, the demotion of whom remains totally mysterious to me.

As above, I'm convinced he's missing because of what Nzonzi did to him.  I'm not agreeing with Sherwood's decision but seeing someone get bullied like that and go into their shell would be enough for a lot of managers to pull them out of it for a while.  The reason Grealish may have moved in front of him is that when he gets roughed up he picks himself up and carries on.

There's a maturity in knowing that you get kicked because you're playing well and Grealish has it whereas I'm not sure Gil does just yet.  You only have to spend a few minutes looking for quotes from TS to get a clear impression that he doesn't want players to go missing.

Sherwood has said that Andros Towsend is one of his favourite players because he can fuck up 8/10 times but his head never drops and he'll keep trying (or something along those lines).  If that is a quality which he puts first, and Gil demonstrated the opposite, then it's easy to guess how TS has reached his decision.

Yeah, that's the quote I was thinking of but I couldn't remember exactly what he said.

It's worrying that he likes a player that fucks up 8/10 times though!

It's ok if they're an attacking midfielder and when they don't fuck up they do serious damage, I'm not sure Townsend is in that category but look at Neymar, he makes a lot of mistakes but he also does some things that are pure brilliance and they balance out.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 11, 2015, 02:05:37 PM
I fancy Grealish to cause Spurs some problems today, they are suspect at the back.

Without Kyle Walker they won't be as adventurous down that side. Hopefully that will allow Grealish some licence to attack whoever the replacement is and not be so concerned with covering defensively.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 11, 2015, 09:11:51 PM
How did he do today?  I saw he went off, is he one of the new injuries?
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Rudy65 on April 11, 2015, 09:13:51 PM
How did he do today?  I saw he went off, is he one of the new injuries?

Not injured. Subbed for Cole

Not as involved as Tuesday but did ok. I would play him next week
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 11, 2015, 09:25:01 PM
He did well. He's playing at the tip of the diamond and had a pretty free role to go wide as the situation changed. He looked interested, was a good link man, rarely if ever gave the ball away. It's a new position for him and he's getting used to it. He's also useful on that he seems to attract fouls and we have some players who can do some damage in our around the area.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 11, 2015, 09:46:20 PM
He did well. He's playing at the tip of the diamond and had a pretty free role to go wide as the situation changed. He looked interested, was a good link man, rarely if ever gave the ball away. It's a new position for him and he's getting used to it. He's also useful on that he seems to attract fouls and we have some players who can do some damage in our around the area.

I read - no idea where - that his pass completion rate was the best on the pitch at 92%.  Impressive considering where he was playing.
In fact in that position it should be much lower as a consequence of playing riskier passes.  Hopefully the willingness to play those passes will come with confidence and experience.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: supertom on April 11, 2015, 10:06:39 PM
He did well. He's playing at the tip of the diamond and had a pretty free role to go wide as the situation changed. He looked interested, was a good link man, rarely if ever gave the ball away. It's a new position for him and he's getting used to it. He's also useful on that he seems to attract fouls and we have some players who can do some damage in our around the area.

I read - no idea where - that his pass completion rate was the best on the pitch at 92%.  Impressive considering where he was playing.
In fact in that position it should be much lower as a consequence of playing riskier passes.  Hopefully the willingness to play those passes will come with confidence and experience.
His stats this season have often been around that mark. Very composed on the ball and doesn't often give it away.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: silhillvilla on April 11, 2015, 10:47:49 PM
Thought he had his first really good, meaningful game for us today. Kept possession well, was influential and always involved.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: exigo on April 11, 2015, 10:52:13 PM
Highest pass completion rate of all the starters on the pitch, at 92.9%. Although I have to say most of those seemed to be quickly giving the ball to one of the big boys,
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: leylandalbion on April 11, 2015, 10:53:29 PM
I like him. My 14 year old daughter has an interest in villa at last
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: ozzjim on April 12, 2015, 12:12:12 AM
I like him. My 14 year old daughter has an interest in villa at last

Yes, according to my 16 year old, the hair is the style these days when I suggested it needed a good cut.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Caiphus on April 12, 2015, 03:48:49 AM
His little scoop turns are sublime... I love the way he will move the ball and leave his legs behind to actually get chopped, but he absorbs the impact really well and falls gently.

I think he has end product in him and he also takes defenders and his opposite mid out of position well to give more space for Gabby and Benteke to operate in. Plus he can receive the ball in pretty much any position make a bit of space and get it off to someone else to play a final ball.

There is a killer ball or a classy goal not too far away for him from what I have seen so far.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: peter w on April 12, 2015, 06:43:29 AM
I think he'll kick on next season. Although he did less than QPR I think he looked better. Just little things like believing you belong at that level and in the team will go a long way. Sherwood seems to be using him well and it'll probably be next season that we'll see him scoring and setting goals up regularly that top sides will start paying more attention to him.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Matt Collins on April 12, 2015, 07:21:50 AM
He's started in two of our best performances of the season for me (the slack defending against QPR masked a very good attacking performance). He's not really hurting teams to often and that will need to come. But having more players who will move for the ball, accept it in tight situations, and keep it, is a good thing.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: silhillvilla on April 12, 2015, 07:25:28 AM
Nice gesture of him at the end yesterday to come over and give some young fan his shirt. He has a real connection with the fans. Great to see.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Matt Collins on April 12, 2015, 07:29:22 AM
If he'd put in exactly the same performance yday and we'd lost, I wonder if this thread would look similar?
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Ron Manager on April 12, 2015, 09:19:30 AM
If he'd put in exactly the same performance yday and we'd lost, I wonder if this thread would look similar?

Very good point Matt!  Mind you if Sherwood picks him for Wembley he might be very effective. He has that valuable commodity...fast feet!
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: peter w on April 12, 2015, 09:35:10 AM
Well you may as well ask if he had have scored a hat-trick would we think he's now worth £60m. He did what he did and the team won.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 12, 2015, 10:09:16 AM
My hunch is that Sherwood will always want a youth player in the team.  The success of (and plaudit's he has received) for Kane/Bentaleb etc will inevitably have made an impression.  I think this is a good thing, it should help motivate the young players and the fans generally like to have 'one of their own' in the team.  If successful it obviously frees up cash to sign players too.

I just hope they're good enough.  Jack certainly looks to have something, but I'm not sure who is next in-line.  Gardner?
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: supertom on April 12, 2015, 10:11:34 AM
It wasn't the best sort of game to have a player in that hole position. That's a managers call. Grealish did very well when he got the ball, but it was intermittently. We countered quickly and hit straight up to Benteke, so Jack got bypassed a few times. He may have got more of the ball playing as a winger yesterday.
What impresses me about him though, is even as a marginally peripheral figure, he was still sharp and alert and rarely wasted it when he got it.

Ultimately we won, and we won comfortably. Sherwood's system worked and Jack played his part. 
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: silhillvilla on April 12, 2015, 10:12:15 AM
Gardner , Johnson, Robinson.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: supertom on April 12, 2015, 10:15:16 AM
Gardner , Johnson, Robinson.
Johnson has been sold on to Preston now. Which is a shame. I liked the look of him.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: silhillvilla on April 12, 2015, 10:16:04 AM
Gardner , Johnson, Robinson.
Johnson has been sold on to Preston now. Which is a shame. I liked the look of him.
Oh, I thought that was a loan
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 12, 2015, 10:17:33 AM
Gardner , Johnson, Robinson.

Gardner I know a bit about and seems to be doing well at Forrest anchoring their midfield (so comparable with Sanchez and Westwood for us).  What position are the other two, I always get them confused (who did we sell recently?)
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: supertom on April 12, 2015, 10:18:55 AM
Gardner , Johnson, Robinson.
Johnson has been sold on to Preston now. Which is a shame. I liked the look of him.
Oh, I thought that was a loan
I only realised myself about a month ago. We sold him in Jan, but I think his contract was due to expire this summer.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: silhillvilla on April 12, 2015, 10:19:29 AM
Robinson is a forward / winger, Johnson has been sold apparently (thanks Lambo)
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: hipkiss92 on April 12, 2015, 10:20:17 AM
Gardner , Johnson, Robinson.

Gardner I know a bit about and seems to be doing well at Forrest anchoring their midfield (so comparable with Sanchez and Westwood for us).  What position are the other two, I always get them confused (who did we sell recently?)
Gardner's playing more like Delph/Cleverley from what I've seen, getting forward, and scoring some very good goals from distance.

Robinson's a striker, on loan at Preston right now, has scored a few goals for them as well.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: supertom on April 12, 2015, 10:23:06 AM
Robinson has scored 6 goals in 22 games this season (16 starts), which isn't too shabby. He's currently second fiddle to Jermaine Beckford.
We'll see how he does in pre-season. He's got potential, but he's very raw.

Didn't we sign a couple of lads from Southampton's academy a year or two back? When they get of age they may have something.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 19, 2015, 05:39:32 PM
He was excellent today and put Stirling in the shade.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Batman on April 19, 2015, 05:42:17 PM
absolutely  brilliant, the worrying thing is that the commentators seem to be picking up on this as well, whenever I hear people bigging him up on the telly I feel like screaming at them to shut up, I want him to remain our secret weapon and don't want any of the big boys to come sniffing around for him

having said that he is a villa fan so maybe he will stay loyal to us
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: supertom on April 19, 2015, 05:50:36 PM
absolutely  brilliant, the worrying thing is that the commentators seem to be picking up on this as well, whenever I hear people bigging him up on the telly I feel like screaming at them to shut up, I want him to remain our secret weapon and don't want any of the big boys to come sniffing around for him

having said that he is a villa fan so maybe he will stay loyal to us
If the lads not careful he'll be in Hodgson's next squad and then he'll go off the rails. Shisha lounges and crafty fags outside of nightclubs.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on April 19, 2015, 05:58:33 PM
Brilliant play today from this lad, brilliant.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: KevinGage on April 19, 2015, 06:03:40 PM
 That little dink down the side, shaping to go the other way..

That can't be coached, in my humble opinion. Either you have that instinct or you don't.

A £30 million pass.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: passport1 on April 19, 2015, 06:06:12 PM
Very assured performance from one so young. Lets let the lad establish himself in the team for a season or two before we revert to type and worry about "the big boys sniffing around for him"
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Batman on April 19, 2015, 06:11:27 PM
Very assured performance from one so young. Lets let the lad establish himself in the team for a season or two before we revert to type and worry about "the big boys sniffing around for him"

It's in my nature to worry
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: TonyD on April 19, 2015, 06:14:22 PM
Would like to see him shoot.   Had an awesome game.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Batman on April 19, 2015, 06:23:02 PM
Yeah he does almost seem a little reluctant to have a crack sometimes
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Newby on April 19, 2015, 06:35:15 PM
Bit sloppy with the ball on the odd occasion but this kid is gonna be a cracker. Up the Villa. He ain't going anywhere!!
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: ozzjim on April 19, 2015, 06:39:32 PM
Adding shots to his game is the next step. 2-3 times today I thought a step inside and a crack would have been ideal. Overall though, for a 19 year old, he was incredible today.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: martin o`who?? on April 19, 2015, 06:40:54 PM
"Zinadine" Grealish, if it's true what they say about the best players looking like they've got all the time in the world, then how far is this kid gonna go??....
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: The Laughing Policeman on April 19, 2015, 06:42:15 PM
Man Of The Match for me.
Holte End hero in the making. He seems to have a footballing brain way beyond his young age.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Colhint on April 19, 2015, 06:58:52 PM
Fron goonars frum

Stand up for Grealish! Huge potential that kid.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: garyshawsknee on April 19, 2015, 07:03:16 PM
He never seems ruffled on the ball, even when they are a few players on his back, he has a rare talent we haven't seen in years down at VP, a lot to look forward to for him and us. UTV.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 19, 2015, 07:05:05 PM
He reminds me a bit of Chris Waddle.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Dave Cooper please on April 19, 2015, 07:17:24 PM
Superb performance, he has the World at his feet this fella.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Risso on April 19, 2015, 07:21:48 PM
He was magnificent, looked like a seasoned pro, not a raw kid, just brilliant.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Deano's Mullet on April 19, 2015, 07:27:15 PM
He reminds me a bit of Chris Waddle.

steve froggatt too a little
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: The Laughing Policeman on April 19, 2015, 07:35:38 PM
Another old bloke in the White Horse said to me that with his swept back haircut , the way he wears his socks  and his complete lack of fear of opposing defenders he looks like a proper 1950's footballer.
Praise indeed from someone older than me who can remember those days better than I can.  Remember he was talking about the era of Mortensen, Finney and Matthews
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: supertom on April 19, 2015, 07:45:31 PM
I like how he gets involved as much as possible and tries to make things happen in the final third. He always looks so unfazed. Watching him play you sometimes forget he's only 19. In 2-3 years this lad could be fantastic. I would also imagine that if he continues to maintain his starting place for the rest of this, and into next season, there will be talk of an England call up. I know some questioned the logic in Grealish backing away from the advances of Ireland, but he looks to be a player who's got something a bit different and special about him. The way the ball sticks to his feets is impressive and the fact he very rarely misplaces a pass is also a good thing. He seems very quick of thought and good in tight spots. An England call up beckons.

Being Villa through and through too may also mean we've got an immense talent who might stay here for the majority of his career. He could be our Le Tissier.

Okay...we shouldn't get too carried away...but then again...why not? From 5 years of misery, finally things are looking up.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 19, 2015, 08:08:56 PM
I know it's part of his style but i'd like him to wear proper shin pads. I just dread a horror challenge.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: richardhubbard on April 19, 2015, 08:13:42 PM
Looked almost the complete player today , I not been excited by an attacking player like him since we first got Ashley Young and this lad can be better than him
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: paul_e on April 19, 2015, 09:01:16 PM
"Zinadine" Grealish, if it's true what they say about the best players looking like they've got all the time in the world, then how far is this kid gonna go??....

I made that same comparison today, he just looks like he's got all the time in the world whenever the ball goes to him.  Today was a coming of age for me, he was superb, totally controlled our attackiing play and they had no idea what to do about him.  Alongside Benteke and Delph we hae 3 genuine top class players there to build a side around, all 3 were excellent.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 19, 2015, 09:04:33 PM
I couldn't get over the fact that he was there, a 19 year old local lad, Villa through and through, at the club since he was a toddler, starting only his second or third game, and he just slotted in brilliantly, didn't look even remotely overrawed.

I also kept on thinking "christ, how must he feel?".

When he got that ovation, he must have felt like bursting inside.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 19, 2015, 09:06:36 PM
I couldn't get over the fact that he was there, a 19 year old local lad, Villa through and through, at the club since he was a toddler, starting only his second or third game, and he just slotted in brilliantly, didn't look even remotely overrawed.

I also kept on thinking "christ, how must he feel?".

When he got that ovation, he must have felt like bursting inside.

I think England might up their pursuit of him now. I think he's a better footballer than Sterling.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: itbrvilla on April 19, 2015, 09:08:44 PM
I couldn't get over the fact that he was there, a 19 year old local lad, Villa through and through, at the club since he was a toddler, starting only his second or third game, and he just slotted in brilliantly, didn't look even remotely overrawed.

I also kept on thinking "christ, how must he feel?".

When he got that ovation, he must have felt like bursting inside.
Imagine his family too.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Rudy65 on April 19, 2015, 09:08:58 PM
He reminds me a bit of Chris Waddle.

steve froggatt too a little

No. That didnt end well

Dont see Waddle either

Great performance today.

I was screaming at him to shoot, but he passed to Delph instead and it was 2 1 seconds later. What do I know
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: alan_clarke on April 19, 2015, 09:12:03 PM
Have enjoyed watching Jack every time he has put our shirt on. A very mature performance today - never looked hurried on the ball and actually we could have done with him on until the end to try and retain possession better.

Only thing which others have already said is that he needs to have the confidence to take the shot on sometimes. Though I was wanting him to shoot when he set up Delph's winner!
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Villan For Life on April 19, 2015, 09:14:45 PM
I couldn't get over the fact that he was there, a 19 year old local lad, Villa through and through, at the club since he was a toddler, starting only his second or third game, and he just slotted in brilliantly, didn't look even remotely overrawed.

I also kept on thinking "christ, how must he feel?".

When he got that ovation, he must have felt like bursting inside.
Imagine his family too.

Did I read through an alcoholic haze that his great-great grandfather won the cup with The Villa in 1905?
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Mister E on April 19, 2015, 09:16:43 PM
Today, he looked like the class player I think he'll become.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: curiousorange on April 19, 2015, 09:19:36 PM
He was bloody brilliant. I know we sometimes pooh-pooh the youth system we have at Villa, saying they don't really go on and do much, but Grealish, Baker and Clark this season? Could you really complain?
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Matt Collins on April 19, 2015, 09:22:50 PM
I still don't rate him
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Jockey Randall on April 19, 2015, 09:27:38 PM
Never seen a player like him in my time watching Villa. The ball seems to stick to his feet and defenders shit themselves when he runs at them. The balance he shows is on another level to most Premier League players. Love watching him play.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on April 19, 2015, 09:35:07 PM
I could see him  becoming a Real Madrid player in five year time for about 100 million euros as Real Madrid will need new star to replace Ronaldo and Bale eventually. But for now enjoy him.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Mortimer's Bear on April 19, 2015, 09:36:18 PM
He was great today, Sherwood has given him the freedom to play football as if he's in the playground still.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Jon Crofts on April 19, 2015, 09:38:52 PM
I still don't rate him

Said nobody ever.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: manic-road on April 19, 2015, 09:38:53 PM
After I watched him against Blackpool in the cup I said that he was to weak and easily brushed off the ball in a match against a side that were bottom of the Championship, I will happily eat humble pie today as I thought he was the mutts nuts running at the Liverpoo defence, I hope he can keep that level of performance up.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: pav on April 19, 2015, 09:39:32 PM
Love the quote "he plays with wing mirrors "nor something along them lines , he does .always seems to have great awareness and ridiculous amount of time on the ball .
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Villafirst on April 19, 2015, 10:16:59 PM
A class act today. Has that crucial time on the ball which sets him apart.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: supertom on April 19, 2015, 10:21:06 PM
I couldn't get over the fact that he was there, a 19 year old local lad, Villa through and through, at the club since he was a toddler, starting only his second or third game, and he just slotted in brilliantly, didn't look even remotely overrawed.

I also kept on thinking "christ, how must he feel?".

When he got that ovation, he must have felt like bursting inside.

I think England might up their pursuit of him now. I think he's a better footballer than Sterling.
He's got an awareness and vision that is quite rare in the modern British footballer. If he fulfils his potential he could potentially be a new Gascoigne for the national side (hopefully without the off field problems).

He also glides past players so gracefully and with seeming ease, despite not being very quick. That to me suggests he'll have a lot of longevity in his career, where conversely, Sterling is quick and eventually his pace will go.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: curiousorange on April 19, 2015, 10:24:54 PM
I said after the QPR game he has that 'best kid at school' quality of having the ball glued to his laces. To do it in a semi final...Jeez, this kid's special.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 19, 2015, 10:25:15 PM
Needs to work on his final decision, but potentially one hell of a player. He makes the game look easy and always seems to have more time than most other players, which is what you see in real class players.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: dekko on April 19, 2015, 11:00:14 PM
This made me smile:

Quote
Tried to sign @JackGrealish1 at U7/8. Was only EVER going to sign for @avfc. He & his dad loved Villa. He must have dreamt of this day.

Thats from the twitter of West Brom's head of academy recruitment.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Rudy65 on April 19, 2015, 11:10:32 PM
Needs to work on his final decision

And being a little less casual. But Im being picky. He was great today. The fact that he is one of us makes it even more special
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Smirker on April 19, 2015, 11:18:04 PM
I could see him  becoming a Real Madrid player in five year time for about 100 million euros as Real Madrid will need new star to replace Ronaldo and Bale eventually. But for now enjoy him.

 ;D

A bit overenthusiastic imo.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: tomd2103 on April 19, 2015, 11:54:53 PM
Needs to work on his final decision, but potentially one hell of a player. He makes the game look easy and always seems to have more time than most other players, which is what you see in real class players.

The most encouraging thing is that he has delivered his best performance in the biggest game he has played in so far. 
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: saunders_heroes on April 20, 2015, 12:04:17 AM
Thought he was excellent today and I think we've got a hell of a player on our hands. The Scousers just couldn't handle him.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: eamonn on April 20, 2015, 12:45:38 AM
I think the best thing you could say about Jack's display today is that when he went off we were crying out for him as very few of our players were able to hold onto the ball. He has that star quality that we've not had from a youth product since probably a combination of Barry and Hendrie's abilities on the ball. It would be great if him and Gardner could emulate that next season either side of Delph.

I felt so proud of his, Delph and Cleverley's performances today, with Westwood not far behind. Our midfield shamed that of Liverpool's in terms of commitment and quality.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Dave Cooper please on April 20, 2015, 01:08:06 AM
Both our goals today were sublime. proper teamwork, lovely stuff,and Jack's contribution to the winner was marvellous. He is a star, and his tweets afterwards are the stuff of legend. Imagine being him right now!
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: KRS on April 20, 2015, 04:10:18 AM
I can't wait for Jack to score his first Villa goal...once he gets his first I think he'll get a shitload more.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on April 20, 2015, 04:17:50 AM
Both our goals today were sublime. proper teamwork, lovely stuff,and Jack's contribution to the winner was marvellous. He is a star, and his tweets afterwards are the stuff of legend. Imagine being him right now!

Dad can I get a haircut tomorrow? Oh and you know what, lets call Hodgson back, we have made him sweat long enough.

:)



Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: pbavfckuwait on April 20, 2015, 06:15:37 AM
Had my doubts about Jack, but that performance today and the magnitude of the game, I think he could be the real deal, well done Jack Grealish a mans performance delivered today.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Hillbilly on April 20, 2015, 07:49:24 AM
To my mind, he's a bit of a throwback to those poised sinuous midfielders of the 70's from France, Denmark and the like. It'd be sensational if he reached their level, who wouldn't want the new Platini. Long way to go though...
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: chrisw1 on April 20, 2015, 09:35:56 AM
I think we're going a bit over the top with some of the comparisons.  He's got a very long way to go before you can say he's better than Stirling.  And Gascoine was a once in a generation player.

But it was a very good performance indeed and he could be a great player for us.  Hope he keeps it up.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: RussellC on April 20, 2015, 09:42:20 AM
Danny Murphy said on the radio today that Sherwood likes Jack because he's so good at acting on his instructions. You could see there was a real game plan yesterday, with Grealish switching form playing in the hole, to the wing, to up top and even dropping into deep midfield positions to pick the ball up. None of the Liverpool players knew who's responsibility he was to mark, hence the number of times they had to switch formations. Brilliant from Grealish and brilliant from Sherwood.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Dave on April 20, 2015, 09:52:48 AM
F365:

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Stevie G? This Was All About Jack G

It was supposed to be Steven Gerrard dominating Monday's back pages but it's Jack Grealish who stood out at Wembley. His confidence is something to behold...

The stage was set for a local hero. It got one. But while Steven Gerrard will not mark his 35th birthday and final Liverpool appearance with an FA Cup final, Aston Villa's Jack Grealish will be returning to Wembley. It's no more than his performance deserved.

Grealish, the youngest player on the pitch, marked the occasion with a confident and mature display that was full of energy and quality. He'd been sent off in the quarter-final against West Brom, but this semi-final showing was emphatic justification of the trust Tim Sherwood had placed in him.

The contrast with Gerrard was stark with the older man unable to react to his perpetual movement. It was simple stuff. Collect the ball, pass it to a team-mate and move into space to receive it again. Grealish did that better than anyone all afternoon.

It was his measured ball to Fabian Delph in the build-up to Christian Benteke's goal that helped turn the tie in Villa's favour. Grealish made 33 passes in the first half - no Liverpool player managed more - finding a team-mate with 32 of them. It was the best passing accuracy of anyone on the pitch.

In the second half, there were opportunities as the game opened up and Grealish again seized the moment, finding Delph inside the area with a clever reverse pass for the England midfielder to score the winner. By the time he was substituted with eight minutes remaining, he'd earned a standing ovation and thunderous applause.

With socks barely covering his ankles and that Peaky Blinders haircut, he cuts a distinct figure. There's a swagger to Grealish that young fans can identify with and older ones will be happy to indulge given his obvious enthusiasm. You sense that Sherwood approves and not just because of the kiss that he planted on the youngster as he left the pitch.

"It's just his style," said the Villa boss recently. "If he performs how I think he can perform for this football club he can dress how he wants. It's not a fashion show. He is good and perhaps he knows he's good. You know what he said to me when I told him he was playing? He just said: 'About time!'

"He's not fazed. He knows the fabric of the club. He knows every turnstile at Villa Park. No one cares more than Jack Grealish. But it's not just about his heart and desire to keep this club in the league. It's also about his ability and what he carries. He's aware, he can open teams up, he can dribble past people, he's got a massive future at this football club."

Villa fans have had to be patient. They'd heard the whispers for a while of a boy from Solihull - one whose great-great-grandfather had won the FA Cup with the club no less - who could really play. Last season was spent on loan at Notts County with then boss Shaun Derry talking of how he'd been "unbelievably impressed" by a "special talent". But Paul Lambert was typically cautious, restricting the teenager to appearances off the bench.

Sherwood gave him his first Premier League start in the 3-3 draw against QPR earlier this month and a second followed in the 1-0 away win over Tottenham last time out. Grealish covered more ground per minute than any Villa player in both of those appearances. This was the athleticism - and ability - that was needed and the supporters have responded to it.

"He's absolutely loved here," added Sherwood. "When I first came in he was sitting on the bench, the fans were singing someone's name and I thought 'It's not mine - who are they chanting for?' But it was Jack they were calling for. For someone who's not really played that much, he's a star. I've seen him train - he has intensity.

"I need people who are going to fight for the cause. Not only has he got the hunger, he's got the ability too. If I wasn't sure about him, I wouldn't be putting him in. I looked for a No 10. I looked at my options. He was my No 1. He has good awareness. He plays with wing mirrors."

Of course, this is a career that has hardly begun and in Joe Cole, the man who replaced him on Sunday, there is an apposite example of all that can be achieved in the game and how fickle such success can be. But for now Jack Grealish will surely settle for Aston Villa's first FA Cup final in 15 years and the thrill of upstaging Steven Gerrard at Wembley.

Adam Bate
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: LeeB on April 20, 2015, 10:03:34 AM
"About time"

Marvellous.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: DeKuip on April 20, 2015, 10:10:08 AM
Just reading all the online newspaper reports from yesterday and one of them says Grealish is the great-great-grandson of Billy Garratty. As trivial things like that normally stick in my head I was surprised I didn't know that (or if I did that I've forgotten).
I'm not going to read back through 55 pages of this thread to see if it's been mentioned before so apologies if it has, and it's just me showing early signs of dementia.
Anyway, who's this Jack Grealish fella?
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Gregorys Boy on April 20, 2015, 10:25:09 AM
Don't want to get too carried away, but based on what we have seen this season from Jack, and the fact that he seems to have a good head, and is only 19, then I think this guy really could be a world beater if he can stay fit, makes the right choices, and is given the right chances.  Hopefully a lot of those will come in a Villa shirt.  Great performance yesterday!  If he can have a good season next year (surely he will play more games now ;)) then I think England should have a long think about taking him to France next summer.  I mean he will show more passion and skill than many of those overrated millionaires,and its not like we have glowing pool of talent to pick from.  So Grealish for England and the Euros lets start the call here!! :)
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: PeterWithe on April 20, 2015, 10:35:00 AM
If you had to compare him to someone I'd go for Chris Waddle, hes not particularly fast but can go past you both ways and he uses the ball very well, he was immense yesterday.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: supertom on April 20, 2015, 10:39:32 AM
If you had to compare him to someone I'd go for Chris Waddle, hes not particularly fast but can go past you both ways and he uses the ball very well, he was immense yesterday.
Yeah that's who he reminds me off too. That swagger, and Waddle also often had the low socks and shins enticingly out on display to be chopped in half.
Grealish is delightfully old school. There aren't too many players like him, particularly in Britain. It's a delight to watch.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: JD on April 20, 2015, 10:42:54 AM
If you had to compare him to someone I'd go for Chris Waddle, hes not particularly fast but can go past you both ways and he uses the ball very well, he was immense yesterday.
Yeah that's who he reminds me off too. That swagger, and Waddle also often had the low socks and shins enticingly out on display to be chopped in half.
Grealish is delightfully old school. There aren't too many players like him, particularly in Britain. It's a delight to watch.
Sounds about right. Both with dodgy haircuts as well.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Gregorys Boy on April 20, 2015, 10:44:56 AM
Good call, he just has so much belief and no fear, and yes just a little bit of old school swagger.  If he turns into half the player Waddle was then I will be very happy :)
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Diablo on April 20, 2015, 11:01:07 AM
If you had to compare him to someone I'd go for Chris Waddle, hes not particularly fast but can go past you both ways and he uses the ball very well, he was immense yesterday.

I see some similarity in the way that he goes past people. If Jack could add some of Waddle's end product (crosses, shots, goals) we'll have some player on our hands. Not bad for someone who was rejected by Coventry then worked in a sausage factory and was playing for a pub team at 17.



Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Gregorys Boy on April 20, 2015, 11:03:17 AM
If you had to compare him to someone I'd go for Chris Waddle, hes not particularly fast but can go past you both ways and he uses the ball very well, he was immense yesterday.

I see some similarity in the way that he goes past people. If Jack could add some of Waddle's end product (crosses, shots, goals) we'll have some player on our hands. Not bad for someone who was rejected by Coventry then worked in a sausage factory and was playing for a pub team at 17.





Yep for the Mullat!  Great video
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Monty on April 20, 2015, 11:04:26 AM
Sherwood clearly sees him as a number 10 type, and I agree. He's not the quickest, but he's a drifter and a glider and has really great control, with the instinct of a passer rather than a crosser.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Bren'd on April 20, 2015, 11:09:22 AM
The only thing missing from his game is his confidence in front of goal.  That will come.  Once he starts adding goals to his game we'll have some player.  The Waddle comparison is spot on.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Clampy on April 20, 2015, 11:10:35 AM
The only thing missing from his game is his confidence in front of goal. 

We said that as well. There was a couple of occasions where he could have had a shot but that'll come.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Dave Javu on April 20, 2015, 11:13:56 AM
He has a certain swagger to him, but Mrs Javu says she finds his hair-style to be irritating (to LOOK AT, before some smartarse comments).
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Villa in Denmark on April 20, 2015, 11:22:48 AM
Not saying he'll be as good, but he reminds me of Michael Laudrup in the way he carries both himself and the ball, plus the ability to suddenly leave 2 or 3 opponents flummoxed as to how he's just drifted past them.  If he can add Laudrup's nose for goal to his game, then he could be going right to the very top.

A team built around him, Benteke and Delph could be a thing of beauty if Benteke could be persuaded to sign a 1 or 2 year extension.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: LeeB on April 20, 2015, 11:27:33 AM
He looked like he was willing them to close him down in numbers, as it made it easier for him to make mugs of them and made space for him to pass into.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 20, 2015, 11:45:10 AM
Glad some other people see the Waddle comparison as well.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Dave Cooper please on April 20, 2015, 11:45:15 AM
He reminds me of Matt Le Tissier, the seemingly effortless way he runs with the ball. He'll start scoring soon as well, and then he'll be fucking brilliant.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: itbrvilla on April 20, 2015, 11:47:52 AM
The only thing missing from his game is his confidence in front of goal.  That will come.  Once he starts adding goals to his game we'll have some player.  The Waddle comparison is spot on.
Said in the match thread that I think he tries to beat the man too much when it may of been better to have a pop at goal.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: KRS on April 20, 2015, 11:50:35 AM
Do we know if Jack has ever been a prolific goalscorer during his youth days? I notice he scored 5 goals in 37 games during his loan at Notts County.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: nigel on April 20, 2015, 12:13:12 PM
Thought he was excellent yesterday.
Not fazed in the slightest.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: paul_e on April 20, 2015, 12:29:35 PM
To me he has the ball on a string and has all the time in the world to choose what he wants to do with it.  The timing and weight of the pass for Delph's goal was brilliant.  Adding goals will be good but for now if he plays 1-2 passes like that every game I'm happy with his contribution.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: LeeB on April 20, 2015, 12:38:27 PM
I think we've found our "number 10", as I like to call them.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: supertom on April 20, 2015, 01:06:13 PM
I think we've found our "number 10", as I like to call them.
I've been itching to see him getting games all season. Even under Lambert he'd often have his 5-10 minute cameo in some games, and without setting the world on fire still seemed to keep hold of the ball and have a composure that we otherwise were lacking then. Lambo of course then took the gamble on Gil as I'm not sure he wasn't quite daring enough to give Jack a run.
I think given how awful we were from October-Feb, Jack probably did enough to warrant a couple of starts. Just to give the lad a go and offer if anything, a bit of youthful exuberance.

Sherwood has done this and it appears to be paying off. Sinclair and Zogbia are good at what they do when they're on song, but they're not those players who have great awareness of what's around them. They'll run at players and occasionally do something spectacular, but at the same time they'll not be aware of players around them in good positions.

I know people want to see Jack shoot more but in terms of that second goal. He's the only midfielder, bar Cole and probably Gil, who'd have picked that pass rather than try a speculative effort. Zobgia and Sinclair shoot in that position 99/100. Cole of course can't manage much more than 20 minutes and no longer seems to have that acceleration he used to to run at players in close quarters. Gil of course has seemingly struggled to settle.
For me I don't see the harm in giving Grealish a starting spot for the remainder of the season, providing he keeps up the performances. He's a delight to watch.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: UK Redsox on April 20, 2015, 01:13:01 PM
Jack has better vision of what's going on around him than this bloke

(http://www.hondacb1000r.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=8611&stc=1&d=1284383273)
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: mr underhill on April 20, 2015, 05:47:14 PM
I'm guessing he's a Who fan. And he's called Happy Jack
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: peter w on April 20, 2015, 06:07:36 PM
I think I started to notcie him yesterday when in the first half he had the ball wide and was surrounded by 3 players. I expected him to lose it but he twisted and turned and laid it off to, I think, Delph. i thought then that he was going to have a good day.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 20, 2015, 06:12:56 PM
I used to watch Paul Gascoigne a fair bit when he first broke through for Newcastle - i was living up there at the time - and he had this manner about him even then of not looking overawed at anything, but playing chin-up, chest out, and seeming to glide about at will. He looked like a kid who had been allowed to play football with a load of slightly-older blokes in the park, and was showing them up.

There looks to be a fair amount of that about Grealish, too.

Yesterday he looked like he did not give one single fuck about being the least experienced player on the pitch, he played like he belonged there, and he did exceptionally well.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: supertom on April 20, 2015, 06:53:32 PM
I used to watch Paul Gascoigne a fair bit when he first broke through for Newcastle - i was living up there at the time - and he had this manner about him even then of not looking overawed at anything, but playing chin-up, chest out, and seeming to glide about at will. He looked like a kid who had been allowed to play football with a load of slightly-older blokes in the park, and was showing them up.

There looks to be a fair amount of that about Grealish, too.

Yesterday he looked like he did not give one single fuck about being the least experienced player on the pitch, he played like he belonged there, and he did exceptionally well.
Tougher than he looks too. If he gets clattered he just dusts himself off and gets up. No rolling around like a prat. He doesn't lie there screeching like he's been shot.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Matt Collins on April 20, 2015, 07:04:29 PM
More excited about jack than any kid we've produced in my time

Needs to add goals and assists to his game though. There were times he should have had a Pop yday

But 92% pass completion and two assists while playing in the final third of the pitch was fantastic

And more generally our passing and composure was just so much better than its been

Still agree w Tim that the first half against QPR is the best we've played to date and GREALISH was integral to that too. A midfielder who receives the ball in tight positions and wants to go forward is a breath of fresh air
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: ozzjim on April 20, 2015, 07:26:23 PM
Delph and he compliment well as both like to commit players and drive forward. Must be a nightmare to face.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: thick_mike on April 20, 2015, 07:30:34 PM
Great interview with his dad on the Monday Night Club on Radio 5 just. Definitely worth digging it out on player.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Ron Manager on April 20, 2015, 07:39:04 PM
Well I agree. He has the Waddle ability to glide past opponents. Early days yet. I hope he isn't to good against Man City otherwise Van Gaal
will be in not only for Benteke Vlaar and Cleverley in the summer but Jack as well.!

I hope they all stay!
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: berneboy on April 20, 2015, 07:42:22 PM
Never seen a player like him in my time watching Villa. The ball seems to stick to his feet and defenders shit themselves when he runs at them. The balance he shows is on another level to most Premier League players. Love watching him play.

Well, Sir Brian made the ball stick to his feet. I delighted in his play and I delight in Jack - one of us and very, very good.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Clampy on April 20, 2015, 07:42:39 PM
For me there's a couple of important things. One, he needs to keep his feet on the ground and not think he's made it. Secondly, the fans need to stay off his back if he loses a bit of form, because he will.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: thick_mike on April 20, 2015, 07:45:59 PM
For me there's a couple of important things. One, he needs to keep his feet on the ground and not think he's made it. Secondly, the fans need to stay off his back if he loses a bit of form, because he will.

Listen to the interview with his dad when it's up on the Radio 5 website...he'll keep his feet on the ground!
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Rudy65 on April 20, 2015, 07:46:03 PM
Great interview with his dad on the Monday Night Club on Radio 5 just. Definitely worth digging it out on player.

And his Dad has been wearing Jack's shirt all day.

Imaging being an ardent Villa fan and having your son play like that in a semi.

His Dad was a true brummie, grounded and taking each step as it comes.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: john e on April 20, 2015, 07:50:10 PM
He's 19 and this was his full debut

I haven't seen anyone say he doesn't show promise.  The criticism is aimed at the guy chucking him in to the first team when we don't have the luxury of carrying players who aren't yet ready.

You changed your mind yet ?
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Larry Duff on April 20, 2015, 08:33:04 PM
I am really pleased for Jack and Kevin his Dad.  I watch the Youth Team quite often and Jack has always had something a bit special.
He was in the best Villa team I have ever seen in an age group.  Three or Four seasons ago our Under 16s were very very good.  We had four exceptional players in that team, Jordan Graham, on the right wing, was probably England's best Under 16 player, Callum Robinson was the same age and also a fantastic striker, Jack was an Under 15 player and played on the left wing and Danny Crowley was an Under 14 and brilliant in Midfield.
Graham has been let go and is at Wolves, Crowley joined Arsenal and will probably emerge as a great player for them and I still have hopes for Callum Robinson who is on loan at Preston.

For those wondering if Jack has goals in him I can only say that I have seen him rattle a few in from Long range and I am sure he will start to cut in and finish when he feels more at home in the first team.  When he left school and became an Academy player he started to play in different positions and showed he could play as a striker or second striker if needed.

He is very confident as it has been common knowledge in the Football World that he was destined for great things.  He has been Ireland's player of the Year for years in whatever age group he was in. The lad could achieve anything he wants in the game.  Us as fans have to sometimes show a little patience.
It makes me laugh sometimes when fans write a player off when just new in the Team or returning from Injury. 

Exciting times ahead for the club I hope. 



Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: dave shelley on April 20, 2015, 09:51:44 PM
I don't do Twitter but, this has popped up on my Facebook News feed:

fabrice muamba        ✔ @fmuamba
Follow
Jack Grealish this boy is a serious footballer 👏👏👏👏
3:45 PM - 19 Apr 2015
430 RETWEETS  538 FAVORITES Reply

Nice.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: cdbullyweefan on April 20, 2015, 09:57:53 PM
Have you sent the boys round to threaten him yet Dave, in case he chooses to play for England?
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Stu on April 20, 2015, 10:03:02 PM
They love him at Graun Towers: Jack Grealish in Aston Villa dreamland with FA Cup final date in diary (http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/apr/20/jack-grealish-aston-villa-fa-cup-final)
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: johnc on April 20, 2015, 10:07:05 PM
Have you sent the boys round to threaten him yet Dave, in case he chooses to play for England?
Here is the Grealish take from across the water
https://soundcloud.com/secondcaptains-it-com/grealish-tops-raheem-chelseas-perverse-pleasure-twitter-spats

I cant do short links soory!
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: cdbullyweefan on April 20, 2015, 10:13:16 PM
I never realised Billy Garraty was his great-grandfather.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: dave shelley on April 20, 2015, 10:13:43 PM
Have you sent the boys round to threaten him yet Dave, in case he chooses to play for England?

There's a populist belief here in the press that he will opt for Ireland but I'm not so sure.  There's enormous pressure on him to do so asap but he's holding fast for the time being.  Isn't he being courted by Gareth Southgate at the moment.  I've a sneaking feeling he'll choose England.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: ozzjim on April 20, 2015, 10:44:39 PM
I don't do Twitter but, this has popped up on my Facebook News feed:

fabrice muamba        ✔ @fmuamba
Follow
Jack Grealish this boy is a serious footballer 👏👏👏👏
3:45 PM - 19 Apr 2015
430 RETWEETS  538 FAVORITES Reply

Nice.

Slightly OT, but there was a tweet in response to that from some bloke that was genuinely one of the most repulsive I have seen n twitter aimed at Muamba. I could not work out how to report it, but it was truly vile.

Is the interview with his dad on line anywhere yet?

Thanks for the insight Larry - how is Jordan Graham getting on at Wolves? I was surprised when we let him go.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: CorkVilla on April 20, 2015, 11:07:32 PM
I think Martin O'Neill and to an extent Roy Keane will get a lot of criticism if Grealish decides to opt for England. O'Neill seems to be taking an old school approach but international football has changed a lot since he was playing for Northern Ireland. If Eire want Grealish then they should be doing everything and anything to get him instead of saying stupid things about his dad and that he's 'not ready to face Scotland'. He will be a huge loss, especially when Ireland are currently relying on a 33 year old Wes Hoolihan to qualify them for Euro 2016.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: thick_mike on April 20, 2015, 11:45:16 PM
Interview is here...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b05r6sgf#auto (http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b05r6sgf#auto)

Interview with Shay Given first, then interview with Jack's Dad at about 15 minutes in.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 21, 2015, 12:50:56 AM
Turn the volume down.

Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: supertom on April 21, 2015, 01:16:06 AM
That's almost porn that is.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 21, 2015, 01:18:40 AM
You turn the volume down when watching that as well then?
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 21, 2015, 01:18:42 AM
My goodness, that video doesn't just highlight how fantastic Grealish was, but how much confidence the other players have in passing to him in any situation. Also, we played some really lovely give and go stuff in very tight positions on the pitch. Seems almost alien when you consider some of the static football we witnessed under Lambert.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: richl on April 21, 2015, 01:21:37 AM
I was there and winced at some of the tight spots he was in, I watched that and still wince. And he had the highest rates of passing. Wow. So much time and control. I still worry about a leg though.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: supertom on April 21, 2015, 01:23:28 AM
You turn the volume down when watching that as well then?
Normally I get the dolby speakers out and switch them up to 11. The Nun next door keeps complaining though.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 21, 2015, 01:26:10 AM
You turn the volume down when watching that as well then?
Normally I get the dolby speakers out and switch them up to 11. The Nun next door keeps complaining though.

I prefer Dobly.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Diablo on April 21, 2015, 01:47:37 AM
Interview is here...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b05r6sgf#auto (http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b05r6sgf#auto)

Interview with Shay Given first, then interview with Jack's Dad at about 15 minutes in.

Thanks. Top interviews.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 21, 2015, 07:00:29 AM
I was there and winced at some of the tight spots he was in, I watched that and still wince. And he had the highest rates of passing. Wow. So much time and control. I still worry about a leg though.

This is an old guardiola tactic, he encouraged players to want the ball in tight situations as it means there must be space elsewhere.  Delph and seemingly Grealish are both comfortable with this and typically retain possession.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: itbrvilla on April 21, 2015, 07:33:40 AM
Interview is here...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b05r6sgf#auto (http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b05r6sgf#auto)

Interview with Shay Given first, then interview with Jack's Dad at about 15 minutes in.

Thanks. Top interviews.
Very proud father there!
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Matt Collins on April 21, 2015, 08:13:51 AM
I've just listened to that Kevin Grealish interview twice in a row. Fantastic listen. Especially when he talks about jack coming up to see his family in the box and them all bursting into tears

If jack does go on to have the career who could do you wonder about our ability to keep him and his ability to maintain that relationship with his dad.

Not a concern for today though. I'm still absolutely buzzing from the weekend
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Ger Regan on April 21, 2015, 09:35:20 AM
I know I could be considered biased, but speaking from a villa perspective it may be better for us if he chose to play for Ireland. It would be less likely that he'd get his head turned by players from the top sides, for a start.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: supertom on April 21, 2015, 09:57:23 AM
I'm just hoping that having grown up watching the Villa and being at the club for 13 years, that he'll be our Le Tissier. A one club man. He probably bleeds claret and blue. We just have to ensure whoever is running the club doesn't try to take advantage.
I don't think we have to worry about things in the immediate future and of course he's still got to live up to his promise, but I think he'll be here for a good few years to come. He may get to 25-26 and then decide that he wants to experience Champions League football, or obtaining silverware (correction. More silverware because he's getting a winners medal this year).

The romantic in me hopes he's here for the next 15 years though.

I don't envision Jack as being someone like Sterling who's acted a bit of prat in the last season to be honest. The wage demands etc. Not of course helped by his off field antics. I don't envision him coming to us in a couple of years and demanding over 100k a week.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Oscar Arce on April 21, 2015, 10:00:01 AM
Just heard Jack's Dad on Talk Sport.
What a top bloke and Villa nut, a proper Villa fan and just as happy that Villa are in the Cup Final as he is his son's playing.
A proper Villa family, and a Villa legend in the making.
Oh I love the Villa.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Diablo on April 21, 2015, 10:14:12 AM
I know I could be considered biased, but speaking from a villa perspective it may be better for us if he chose to play for Ireland. It would be less likely that he'd get his head turned by players from the top sides, for a start.

It really depends where his heart is. But I agree it may be better that he plays for Ireland rather than England and the usual media circus and hype that follows. England also have a history of ignoring skilful players (very rarely do they get the caps that their skill deserve) as well as a history of club tribalism between their fans. Saying that though we're joint equal with Spurs now on the most capped English internationals so we do need to supply some more players to get back in the lead (talking of tribalism ;-) as I think they may over take us soon with some of their current players coming through.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: MoetVillan on April 21, 2015, 10:18:38 AM
I listened to his dad last night, and thought it fantastic.  This is what football is all about.  His Dad was so level headed and spoke with real love about what his brilliant brilliant lad had done and achieved.  Superb
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Tuscans on April 21, 2015, 12:05:43 PM
http://talksport.com/football/exclusive-jack-grealish-needs-concentrate-aston-villa-claims-tim-sherwood-150421143935
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Legion on April 21, 2015, 12:18:41 PM
I've just been introduced to his Aunt. They are all very, very proud of him.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Villa in Denmark on April 21, 2015, 12:25:01 PM
I know I could be considered biased, but speaking from a villa perspective it may be better for us if he chose to play for Ireland. It would be less likely that he'd get his head turned by players from the top sides, for a start.

I completely agree about it being better for us if he chooses to play for Ireland.

Would be horrendously ironic if O'Neill's stubbornness with RoI results in him finally fucking us over one last time, even after all this time.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Billy Walker on April 21, 2015, 12:34:05 PM
I've just listened to that Kevin Grealish interview twice in a row. Fantastic listen. Especially when he talks about jack coming up to see his family in the box and them all bursting into tears

If jack does go on to have the career who could do you wonder about our ability to keep him and his ability to maintain that relationship with his dad.

Not a concern for today though. I'm still absolutely buzzing from the weekend

No, I don't worry about either of those things.  His family sound very grounded and I get the impression that if Villa look after their boy he will stick with us.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: UK Redsox on April 21, 2015, 12:34:57 PM
"Grealish senior has been kitted out in the match-worn replica shirt all day today "

What's a "match-worn replica shirt" ? Did Villa make Jack buy his own shirt for the game from the club shop ?

http://www.waste of paper.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-jack-grealishs-dad-9085881
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: danno on April 21, 2015, 12:35:34 PM
Is there anything to stop a player choosing England privately, then reneging on that when they aren't picked?

What I mean is, does this only resolve itself once a player has a cap?
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Bren'd on April 21, 2015, 12:35:54 PM
Whoever it is I don't care too much.  If it is England it wont just be the head turning factor.  He'll be labeled as shit by facebook tossers after his first average game just like Delph was the other week.  Incidentally, Jordan Henderson who was anonymous in that England game and Liverpool's goal assist apart on Sunday and virtually disappeared from the game thereafter is close to signing a £100K per week deal.  Christ allfucking mighty.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Billy Walker on April 21, 2015, 12:41:05 PM
I wonder if Billy Garraty had the same chance of playing for Ireland - that's an Irish surname if ever I heard one.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Bren'd on April 21, 2015, 12:43:17 PM
I wonder if Billy Garraty had the same chance of playing for Ireland - that's an Irish surname if ever I heard one.

It would be more Irish if it was Liam Garraty.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 21, 2015, 01:00:13 PM
Billy Garraty sounds like the name of a notorious cowboy. Like he shot Jesse James or something.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: mr underhill on April 21, 2015, 01:12:28 PM
Robert Ford shot Jessie James didn't he? and Billy the Kid was done for by Pat Garrett in the Lincoln County Wars
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Handsworth Wood Villa on April 21, 2015, 01:19:24 PM
http://talksport.com/football/exclusive-jack-grealish-faces-tough-decision-about-england-future-claims-father
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: KevinGage on April 21, 2015, 01:54:07 PM
Is there anything to stop a player choosing England privately, then reneging on that when they aren't picked?

What I mean is, does this only resolve itself once a player has a cap?

Pretty much.

Though I think they can still change their mind if they play in a friendly for one nation and then opt for another.

From memory, I think a few players from the African nations who grew up in France have done that recently.

Some of the USA players have had international recognition with Germany too, though mostly at U21 level.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: LeeS on April 21, 2015, 02:50:45 PM
Is there anything to stop a player choosing England privately, then reneging on that when they aren't picked?

What I mean is, does this only resolve itself once a player has a cap?

Pretty much.

Though I think they can still change their mind if they play in a friendly for one nation and then opt for another.

From memory, I think a few players from the African nations who grew up in France have done that recently.

Some of the USA players have had international recognition with Germany too, though mostly at U21 level.

I think there is more to it than that. He is officially registered as an Irish player. They would need to release that registration for England to pick it up. Its only an admin issue but it requires him to pick a country. Publicly.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 21, 2015, 02:56:14 PM
The interview with his dad on The Monday Night Club was superb. What a genuine man and father he sounded. I just loved the bit when Jack came up to the box after the game where his family had watched and gave them a big hug, and his dad burst into tears. Every dads (parents) dream. Great stuff!
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: PeterWithe on April 21, 2015, 03:25:04 PM
Whoever it is I don't care too much.  If it is England it wont just be the head turning factor.  He'll be labeled as shit by facebook tossers after his first average game just like Delph was the other week.  Incidentally, Jordan Henderson who was anonymous in that England game and Liverpool's goal assist apart on Sunday and virtually disappeared from the game thereafter is close to signing a £100K per week deal.  Christ allfucking mighty.

A Liverpool fan we were speaking to was telling us that Sterling is after £200k a week, and word is they are seriously considering paying it.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: KRS on April 21, 2015, 03:28:53 PM
Greedy bastard. He's good but not that good.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Bren'd on April 21, 2015, 03:29:56 PM
Whoever it is I don't care too much.  If it is England it wont just be the head turning factor.  He'll be labeled as shit by facebook tossers after his first average game just like Delph was the other week.  Incidentally, Jordan Henderson who was anonymous in that England game and Liverpool's goal assist apart on Sunday and virtually disappeared from the game thereafter is close to signing a £100K per week deal.  Christ allfucking mighty.

A Liverpool fan we were speaking to was telling us that Sterling is after £200k a week, and word is they are seriously considering paying it.

If they have any sense they'll off load.  He's not worth that, he's not worth the £100K they've already offered.

Liverpool are losing their soul.  In fact it may already have departed.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: PeterWithe on April 21, 2015, 03:31:37 PM
He was also saying that he rates himself in the Suarez bracket despite not being able to head the ball, kick with his left or finish.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: UK Redsox on April 21, 2015, 03:42:51 PM

If they have any sense they'll off load.  He's not worth that, he's not worth the £100K they've already offered.

Liverpool are losing their soul.  In fact it may already have departed.

I look at every £1 being spent at Liverpool by FSG as $1-50 that could be better off spent elsewhere, ie on players for a certain baseball team
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 21, 2015, 04:11:28 PM

If they have any sense they'll off load.  He's not worth that, he's not worth the £100K they've already offered.

Liverpool are losing their soul.  In fact it may already have departed.

I look at every £1 being spent at Liverpool by FSG as $1-50 that could be better off spent elsewhere, ie on players for a certain baseball team

I look at some of Liverpool's recent signings and think they'd probably be better at baseball than football.

They haven't half wasted some money.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: supertom on April 21, 2015, 04:15:28 PM
Greedy bastard. He's good but not that good.
Let him move and he'll soon crash down to Earth at a bigger club. I'm not sure he's got the gumption to really battle for a place. He'll soon end up back at Liverpool or a club around their level (if he's lucky) with his tail between his legs. If there's one thing he aint, it's someone with the determination and desire of Gareth Bale and Bale's getting plenty of unfair stick at Real. If Sterling thinks he's Real level right now, he'll get chewed up and shat out by them.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Chris Jameson on April 21, 2015, 04:18:40 PM
I watched the coverage of the game on BT this morning.Don't think I've watched a Villa match ive been at in it's entirety since the European Cup Final! Anyway as the players were warming up and BT in their infinite wisdom decided to walk Savage past the Villa support the cameras were focusing on Jack just as the Villa support broke into a rousing chorus of the usual Savage greeting and Jack was laughing his head off. I loved him even more after seeing that.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: KRS on April 21, 2015, 04:21:39 PM
Whoever it is I don't care too much.  If it is England it wont just be the head turning factor.  He'll be labeled as shit by facebook tossers after his first average game just like Delph was the other week.  Incidentally, Jordan Henderson who was anonymous in that England game and Liverpool's goal assist apart on Sunday and virtually disappeared from the game thereafter is close to signing a £100K per week deal.  Christ allfucking mighty.

A Liverpool fan we were speaking to was telling us that Sterling is after £200k a week, and word is they are seriously considering paying it.

If they have any sense they'll off load.  He's not worth that, he's not worth the £100K they've already offered.

Liverpool are losing their soul.  In fact it may already have departed.
I was reading a thread on RAWK about their support yesterday and the general consensus from Liverpool fans is that they already have...or at least its heading that way. Apparently both home and away support is largely full of glory hunting day-trippers, with a decent chunk of away tickets being touted out for profit. They blame the lack of vocal support on the reduction of Liverpool based supporters.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Legion on April 21, 2015, 04:46:28 PM
I watched the coverage of the game on BT this morning.Don't think I've watched a Villa match ive been at in it's entirety since the European Cup Final! Anyway as the players were warming up and BT in their infinite wisdom decided to walk Savage past the Villa support the cameras were focusing on Jack just as the Villa support broke into a rousing chorus of the usual Savage greeting and Jack was laughing his head off. I loved him even more after seeing that.

Is there a link to this elsewhere as I do not have BT Sport.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Chris Jameson on April 21, 2015, 05:07:46 PM
I watched the coverage of the game on BT this morning.Don't think I've watched a Villa match ive been at in it's entirety since the European Cup Final! Anyway as the players were warming up and BT in their infinite wisdom decided to walk Savage past the Villa support the cameras were focusing on Jack just as the Villa support broke into a rousing chorus of the usual Savage greeting and Jack was laughing his head off. I loved him even more after seeing that.

Is there a link to this elsewhere as I do not have BT Sport.

Not sure, I've only just worked out how to record something from the TV!
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 21, 2015, 08:47:35 PM
Whoever it is I don't care too much.  If it is England it wont just be the head turning factor.  He'll be labeled as shit by facebook tossers after his first average game just like Delph was the other week.  Incidentally, Jordan Henderson who was anonymous in that England game and Liverpool's goal assist apart on Sunday and virtually disappeared from the game thereafter is close to signing a £100K per week deal.  Christ allfucking mighty.

A Liverpool fan we were speaking to was telling us that Sterling is after £200k a week, and word is they are seriously considering paying it.

A scouse chap at work told me that both Sterling and Rodgers are going to Man City in the summer, and Klopp to Liverpool.  He aknowledged that it was ITK of the highest order i.e. the full "my mate knows someone, who had their hair cut by a players girlfriend" bullshit.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Villa in Denmark on April 21, 2015, 08:52:02 PM

If they have any sense they'll off load.  He's not worth that, he's not worth the £100K they've already offered.

Liverpool are losing their soul.  In fact it may already have departed.

I look at every £1 being spent at Liverpool by FSG as $1-50 that could be better off spent elsewhere, ie on players for a certain baseball team

I look at some of Liverpool's recent signings and think they'd probably be better at baseball than football.

They haven't half wasted some money.

Going all the way back to the end of Rafa's reign, they must have pissed almost as much up the wall as Man City have spent, with 1 league cup to show for it.

Hopefully they give Sterling and Henderson these stupid deals.  Without CL money they'll be rubber ducked even quicker than their current trajectory suggests.
Last season covered an awful lot of cracks in a bang average squad thanks to Suarez and they wasted the money.

Serious question, how many of their squad on Sunday would you swap for ours?  Coutinho definitely, Johnson as right back? Henderson maybe?
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Villa in Denmark on April 21, 2015, 08:55:03 PM
Greedy bastard. He's good but not that good.
Let him move and he'll soon crash down to Earth at a bigger club. I'm not sure he's got the gumption to really battle for a place. He'll soon end up back at Liverpool or a club around their level (if he's lucky) with his tail between his legs. If there's one thing he aint, it's someone with the determination and desire of Gareth Bale and Bale's getting plenty of unfair stick at Real. If Sterling thinks he's Real level right now, he'll get chewed up and shat out by them.

If he thinks he's got a chance at that level it was something other than laughing gas in that cylinder.  There's an awful lot of games where he doesn't look good enough for his current employers.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Villa in Denmark on April 21, 2015, 08:57:27 PM
Whoever it is I don't care too much.  If it is England it wont just be the head turning factor.  He'll be labeled as shit by facebook tossers after his first average game just like Delph was the other week.  Incidentally, Jordan Henderson who was anonymous in that England game and Liverpool's goal assist apart on Sunday and virtually disappeared from the game thereafter is close to signing a £100K per week deal.  Christ allfucking mighty.

A Liverpool fan we were speaking to was telling us that Sterling is after £200k a week, and word is they are seriously considering paying it.

A scouse chap at work told me that both Sterling and Rodgers are going to Man City in the summer, and Klopp to Liverpool.  He aknowledged that it was ITK of the highest order i.e. the full "my mate knows someone, who had their hair cut by a players girlfriend" bullshit.

Rogers to Man City?  I didn't know they needed a new youth team manager.  He's not going to get a shot at a top tier job again any time soon.  Newcastle will be looking for someone in the summer.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: supertom on April 21, 2015, 09:12:07 PM
Greedy bastard. He's good but not that good.
Let him move and he'll soon crash down to Earth at a bigger club. I'm not sure he's got the gumption to really battle for a place. He'll soon end up back at Liverpool or a club around their level (if he's lucky) with his tail between his legs. If there's one thing he aint, it's someone with the determination and desire of Gareth Bale and Bale's getting plenty of unfair stick at Real. If Sterling thinks he's Real level right now, he'll get chewed up and shat out by them.

If he thinks he's got a chance at that level it was something other than laughing gas in that cylinder.  There's an awful lot of games where he doesn't look good enough for his current employers.
Exactly. He's getting a bit too big headed given all too often he's all fart and no shit.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: dave shelley on April 21, 2015, 09:18:01 PM
It was interesting to hear Kevin Grealish say on the 5Live Monday Night Show that he didn't want Jack to be paid the sort of money being allegedly offered to Sterling.  All he was looking for was for his lad to be 'looked after'.  Ostensibly. to be paid what he was worth at this stage of his career.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: supertom on April 21, 2015, 09:34:24 PM
It was interesting to hear Kevin Grealish say on the 5Live Monday Night Show that he didn't want Jack to be paid the sort of money being allegedly offered to Sterling.  All he was looking for was for his lad to be 'looked after'.  Ostensibly. to be paid what he was worth at this stage of his career.
Enough to keep his hair gel supply well stocked.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Villa in Denmark on April 21, 2015, 09:35:35 PM
It was interesting to hear Kevin Grealish say on the 5Live Monday Night Show that he didn't want Jack to be paid the sort of money being allegedly offered to Sterling.  All he was looking for was for his lad to be 'looked after'.  Ostensibly. to be paid what he was worth at this stage of his career.
Enough to keep his hair gel supply well stocked.
That must be classic 50's Brylcream he's using.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: dave shelley on April 21, 2015, 09:41:16 PM
I'm sure I read recently, on here? that Brylcreme was invented in Birmingham.  Anyone else read that?
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: paul_e on April 21, 2015, 09:46:08 PM
yup, not on here but I remember reading something about it on the guardian website ages ago.

A quick google turns up - http://www.theguardian.com/fashion/fashion-blog/2012/apr/02/brief-history-of-brylcreem
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: dave shelley on April 21, 2015, 09:49:17 PM
Thanks Paul, I know it wasn't in the Guardian I saw it but, I'm damned if I can remember where I saw it. 
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: supertom on April 21, 2015, 09:52:31 PM
It was interesting to hear Kevin Grealish say on the 5Live Monday Night Show that he didn't want Jack to be paid the sort of money being allegedly offered to Sterling.  All he was looking for was for his lad to be 'looked after'.  Ostensibly. to be paid what he was worth at this stage of his career.
Enough to keep his hair gel supply well stocked.
That must be classic 50's Brylcream he's using.
I wonder if he's an engine oil kind of guy.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: paul_e on April 21, 2015, 09:52:40 PM
Thanks Paul, I know it wasn't in the Guardian I saw it but, I'm damned if I can remember where I saw it. 

I wish I knew why as soon as i read your comment I could see the picture at the top of that article and remember it was in there, can't remember where I put my keys but a nothing news story from 3 years ago that I only clicked on because it said Birmingham in the title...
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: olaftab on April 21, 2015, 10:05:12 PM
The interview with his dad on The Monday Night Club was superb. What a genuine man and father he sounded. I just loved the bit when Jack came up to the box after the game where his family had watched and gave them a big hug, and his dad burst into tears. Every dads (parents) dream. Great stuff!
A good article in the 12 page supp published by the Mail tonight. Kevin, his dad,  talks about wearing his match shirt all day yesterday!
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: olaftab on April 21, 2015, 10:06:58 PM
Whoever it is I don't care too much.  If it is England it wont just be the head turning factor.  He'll be labeled as shit by facebook tossers after his first average game just like Delph was the other week.  Incidentally, Jordan Henderson who was anonymous in that England game and Liverpool's goal assist apart on Sunday and virtually disappeared from the game thereafter is close to signing a £100K per week deal.  Christ allfucking mighty.

A Liverpool fan we were speaking to was telling us that Sterling is after £200k a week, and word is they are seriously considering paying it.
Oh I do hope they pay him that... on the road to their destruction.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on April 21, 2015, 10:12:15 PM

If they have any sense they'll off load.  He's not worth that, he's not worth the £100K they've already offered.

Liverpool are losing their soul.  In fact it may already have departed.

I look at every £1 being spent at Liverpool by FSG as $1-50 that could be better off spent elsewhere, ie on players for a certain baseball team

I look at some of Liverpool's recent signings and think they'd probably be better at baseball than football.

They haven't half wasted some money.

Going all the way back to the end of Rafa's reign, they must have pissed almost as much up the wall as Man City have spent, with 1 league cup to show for it.

Hopefully they give Sterling and Henderson these stupid deals.  Without CL money they'll be rubber ducked even quicker than their current trajectory suggests.
Last season covered an awful lot of cracks in a bang average squad thanks to Suarez and they wasted the money.

Serious question, how many of their squad on Sunday would you swap for ours?  Coutinho definitely, Johnson as right back? Henderson maybe?
Johnson as right back!
ViD, please tell me you're joking!

We have Hutton due back soon, Bacuna improving all the time and Lowton as stand-by.
Johnson wouldn't be able to cope with playing for a big club! ;-)
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Rudy65 on April 21, 2015, 10:22:06 PM

If they have any sense they'll off load.  He's not worth that, he's not worth the £100K they've already offered.

Liverpool are losing their soul.  In fact it may already have departed.

I look at every £1 being spent at Liverpool by FSG as $1-50 that could be better off spent elsewhere, ie on players for a certain baseball team

I look at some of Liverpool's recent signings and think they'd probably be better at baseball than football.

They haven't half wasted some money.

Going all the way back to the end of Rafa's reign, they must have pissed almost as much up the wall as Man City have spent, with 1 league cup to show for it.

Hopefully they give Sterling and Henderson these stupid deals.  Without CL money they'll be rubber ducked even quicker than their current trajectory suggests.
Last season covered an awful lot of cracks in a bang average squad thanks to Suarez and they wasted the money.

Serious question, how many of their squad on Sunday would you swap for ours?  Coutinho definitely, Johnson as right back? Henderson maybe?

Coutiniho definitely, the other two no way. Henderson is average at best, aside from a few decent performances last season. He isnt a Gerrard replacement as is being touted
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: danno on April 21, 2015, 10:24:16 PM
What's happened with Lallana ?

has he been badly used? injured? or just not very good?
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Rudy65 on April 21, 2015, 10:24:32 PM
Whoever it is I don't care too much.  If it is England it wont just be the head turning factor.  He'll be labeled as shit by facebook tossers after his first average game just like Delph was the other week.  Incidentally, Jordan Henderson who was anonymous in that England game and Liverpool's goal assist apart on Sunday and virtually disappeared from the game thereafter is close to signing a £100K per week deal.  Christ allfucking mighty.

A Liverpool fan we were speaking to was telling us that Sterling is after £200k a week, and word is they are seriously considering paying it.

If they have any sense they'll off load.  He's not worth that, he's not worth the £100K they've already offered.

Liverpool are losing their soul.  In fact it may already have departed.

I think footballs soul has departed to be honest. Making the most of our current 'high' is important
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Chris Jameson on April 21, 2015, 10:35:30 PM
There's hope, my daughter saw him on the MOTD highlights my son was watching before school on Monday and asked "Ooh, who's THAT?". Bill just rolled his eyes.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: silhillvilla on April 21, 2015, 10:42:45 PM
Every club needs a pin up boy,
We have Grealish, Stoke have Charlie Adam.
Let's be grateful .
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Villa in Denmark on April 21, 2015, 10:43:57 PM

If they have any sense they'll off load.  He's not worth that, he's not worth the £100K they've already offered.

Liverpool are losing their soul.  In fact it may already have departed.

I look at every £1 being spent at Liverpool by FSG as $1-50 that could be better off spent elsewhere, ie on players for a certain baseball team

I look at some of Liverpool's recent signings and think they'd probably be better at baseball than football.

They haven't half wasted some money.

Going all the way back to the end of Rafa's reign, they must have pissed almost as much up the wall as Man City have spent, with 1 league cup to show for it.

Hopefully they give Sterling and Henderson these stupid deals.  Without CL money they'll be rubber ducked even quicker than their current trajectory suggests.
Last season covered an awful lot of cracks in a bang average squad thanks to Suarez and they wasted the money.

Serious question, how many of their squad on Sunday would you swap for ours?  Coutinho definitely, Johnson as right back? Henderson maybe?
Johnson as right back!
ViD, please tell me you're joking!

We have Hutton due back soon, Bacuna improving all the time and Lowton as stand-by.
Johnson wouldn't be able to cope with playing for a big club! ;-)

Kind of proves the point though.
After Coutinho there's no-one in their squad you'd want instead of ours, maybe take Henderson as squad filler. I only mentioned Johnson as we've struggled with fullbacks for so long now, but I agree with you, based on the comments from Sherwood about having to show him how to play fullback a month ago, him / Hutton and Lowton should be decent cover for RB. Still need a decent first choice for LB though.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Dave on April 21, 2015, 11:10:14 PM
After Coutinho there's no-one in their squad you'd want instead of ours, maybe take Henderson as squad filler.
Sterling will probably be transferred for upwards of £40m this summer. He's probably an upgrade on N'Zogbia or Sinclair...
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: olaftab on April 21, 2015, 11:13:26 PM
What's happened with Lallana ?

has he been badly used? injured? or just not very good?
All of those!
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Somniloquism on April 21, 2015, 11:28:07 PM
Coutiniho definitely, the other two no way. Henderson is average at best, aside from a few decent performances last season. He isnt a Gerrard replacement as is being touted

There was strong reports linking us to Coutinhio in Lamberts first January but Liverpool came in for him and we lost out. Instead we got a French 2nd division player and a Spurs player on loan to MLS side.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: ozzjim on April 21, 2015, 11:29:29 PM
After Coutinho there's no-one in their squad you'd want instead of ours, maybe take Henderson as squad filler.
Sterling will probably be transferred for upwards of £40m this summer. He's probably an upgrade on N'Zogbia or Sinclair...

I always forget he is not a Liverpool product but was bought from QPR at around 15 for a fair amount of money. Interesting to see where he goes this summer, because for a lad starting every week at 20, who they are building a side around, his attitude is a bit worrying. He seems to be agitating a move, which makes little sense.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Somniloquism on April 21, 2015, 11:30:16 PM
What's happened with Lallana ?

has he been badly used? injured? or just not very good?

Injured but also found out to be a lost in a big pond. Seems Lovren is the same as well. Southampton must have been laughing all the way to the bank with Liverpools forty-odd mill.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: ozzjim on April 21, 2015, 11:36:24 PM
Lallana will be "gettable" I reckon in the next 12 months for someone (with more money than us of course) for about 12 million. And will be a very good player again. I think he has been unlucky with injury and is not the type well suited to the Rodgers musical chairs approach to formation.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Somniloquism on April 21, 2015, 11:59:18 PM
Prices are going to shoot up again with the new tv deal, so assuming that the 12 mil is equivalent to 7-8 mil this season, then I can say yes to that summation.

I do feel sorry for Rodgers that he is in the same boat as Fergie was in Bryan Robsons last years. The difference is that Fergie shrugged off most of the media and sentimental pressure and barely played Robson in their title run up and dropped him from the Cup final all together.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: supertom on April 22, 2015, 12:03:18 AM
There's no way in hell I'd take Glenn Johnson.
Henderson is an okay player. Normally pretty solid now. I think it's unfair to tout him as the next Gerrard. As Arsenal saw, and indeed still do to some extent, filling that Viera void proved impossible. What they should do is adapt to not having someone like Gerrard was 3-4 years ago. The guys 35. They've kept him too long. When he goes the Gerro obsession needs to end. Henderson is Henderson. He'll do a job. He's a 6-7/10 most weeks. Slap some energy beside him and play Coutinho ahead of them and that's a decent midfield.

Sterling just needs a wake up call and for his sake, before its too late. As much as I think he's over-hyped, he's still a player who could do great things, and as a downtrodded England fan, I'd like to see him have an impact on the big stage. Someone just needs to pull the lads head out of his arse.

I'm just glad Grealish seems a level headed lad. He's got a touch of arrogance about him, but he's grounded and grateful with it. Seems like his family life is very happy and very settled which probably plays a part in that. Okay it could be stereotyping, but Sterling didn't have the greatest upbringing and lost his old man quite young so a positive male role model may have been lacking. Whereas you see the way Kevin talks about Jack and how he tries to keep the boys feet on the ground, it's good. If they've not tried already, perhaps someone needs to take Sterling under their wing. Someone whos not just a money grubbing weasel of an agent. Sort the lad out because he's in danger of shitting his career up the wall.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: supertom on April 22, 2015, 12:13:04 AM
Lallana will be "gettable" I reckon in the next 12 months for someone (with more money than us of course) for about 12 million. And will be a very good player again. I think he has been unlucky with injury and is not the type well suited to the Rodgers musical chairs approach to formation.
He's a decent enough player. I think the problem with Liverpool is they overachieved massively last season and rested a lot on the form of Sturridge and more so Saurez. They finished second, but weren't really the second best squad (on paper). Rodgers then goes out and signs Lovren and Lallana from Southampton. Decent enough players, but essentially of a level (at best) where Liverpool have generally been in the last few years, which is sort of 5th-8th. Losing a Worldy like Saurez was a big hit too. That's why they've dropped back to their level. I don't even think this season has been a huge underachievement by them in all honesty. They've just reverted back to their level.
But honestly for the silly money they forked out in the summer they really should have made at least one signing of a title worthy level. A player who'd make a difference. I don't think it would have been beyond them to attract said player. Balotelli was a colossal waste of money.

Lallana has been a little cursed by that price tag, and like the other signings, the over-achievement of Liverpool last season. The entitlement and expectation of those fans was to compete for the title again. Lallana wouldn't get near the Chelsea first 11, or Man City, or Arsenal to be honest. I think he'll get another crack there next season.
I personally wouldn't sign him yet. I'd like to see Sinclair coming in (for what would be a reasonable fee) and let Zogbia play out his final year. In a years time, we might get Lallana for under 10 mill and he's still young enough to have a resurgence.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 22, 2015, 12:23:33 AM
I'd take Sterling and Coutinho, and that is it.

I like Sturridge a lot, but he's constantly injured.

That's pretty shocking. And I'm not even towards the happyclappery (term used in jest) end of the spectrum of our support, either.

For me the whole Liverpool trophy winning machine started falling apart when Souness took over. He started a pattern of buying really, really mediocre players for a lot of money. That has been a feature of Liverpool for ages now, and it is no coincidence that they haven't won the league for so long. Even when they've had non-league-title success in recent years, they've still managed to carry on wasting money on a lot of players who are patently not good enough.

Liverpool haven't won the league for so long, it is only another 8 years back till our last league title.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: passitsideways on April 22, 2015, 01:20:50 AM
I think we're massively underrating Liverpool's squad just because we dicked on them on Sunday in every possible way. I'm not sure you can do really much when your manager sets you up with no strikers, a couple of makeshift defenders against the best striker in the league right now, and carrying the hilariously oversized albatross that is Steven Gerrard around your collective necks.

They're quite clearly not a top 4 worthy squad, but Henderson's a better version of Cleverley because he can actually create chances in the final third, Can was shit at RB but in midfield he combines the best attributes of Sanchez and Westwood, Lallana was very good for a pretty decent Southampton side. Sterling, Coutinho, Sturridge and Moreno would all start for us (well, not Sturridge, but I don't think there's any doubt as to his quality; it's all about health with him.)

Still, they've managed to sustain a top four challenge relatively late into the season, albeit in a pretty dodgy season for the PL overall, and the fact that we walked so easily through them is an encouraging sign of what could happen if we could reach and sustain that sort of level for the majority of a league season.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: peter w on April 22, 2015, 03:59:22 AM
Agreed passitsideays. We are getting a little  carried away now. they are where they are for a reason. I don't know too much about them because I rarely see them but I'm sure those neutrals that have watched both would have a team made up mostly of Liverpool players and not heavily loaded with Villa based on a couple of good performances.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 22, 2015, 06:31:47 AM
----------------Guzan-------------------
Johnson----Vlaar----Skrtl----Moreno-- 
----Henderson--Can----Delph--------- 
-------------Coutinho------------------
--------Benteke-----Sturridge---------

Is my selection.  This assumes all players are fit (obviously). 
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Percy McCarthy on April 22, 2015, 07:43:19 AM
Thanks Paul, I know it wasn't in the Guardian I saw it but, I'm damned if I can remember where I saw it.

It was in a Birmingham Post quiz about Birmingham industry that I posted, so you may have seen it there.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Jimbo on April 22, 2015, 08:09:08 AM
Interview is here...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b05r6sgf#auto (http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b05r6sgf#auto)

Interview with Shay Given first, then interview with Jack's Dad at about 15 minutes in.

Dear BBC,

Please listen to this interview. It features a man from a place called Birmingham. He has a Birmingham accent. Archive the interview and retrieve it the next time you instruct actors from Ireland / The Home Counties / London to do accents from Liverpool / Dublin / Mars for a drama set in Birmingham, which is made in Manchester / Bradford / Liverpool.

Tarra-a-bit,

Benny from Crossroads.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: dave shelley on April 22, 2015, 11:07:32 AM
Thanks Paul, I know it wasn't in the Guardian I saw it but, I'm damned if I can remember where I saw it.

It was in a Birmingham Post quiz about Birmingham industry that I posted, so you may have seen it there.

Thanks Percy, that was where I saw it.  I remember now because I did the quiz and scored so abysmally that I was so ashamed I must have deleted it from what's left of my memory.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: supertom on April 22, 2015, 11:41:51 AM
----------------Guzan-------------------
Johnson----Vlaar----Skrtl----Moreno-- 
----Henderson--Can----Delph--------- 
-------------Coutinho------------------
--------Benteke-----Sturridge---------

Is my selection.  This assumes all players are fit (obviously). 
I would honestly have Hutton over Johnson. Glenda is a busted flush. Other than that, I'd probably agree. Though I don't rate their left back too much (but we've got nothing in that position really).
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: sonyhill on April 22, 2015, 12:06:16 PM
Anyone else think that Jack is better off choosing Ireland over England?  Perhaps then our press might not put him on a ridiculous pedestal as the next great white hope for England and leave him alone to get on with his football!

I'm English and of course I'd love to see him playing for the national side.  But the whole recent Harry Kane nonsense with the press regarding his England debut was a bit of a joke.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: paul_e on April 22, 2015, 01:03:58 PM
----------------Guzan-------------------
Johnson----Vlaar----Skrtl----Moreno-- 
----Henderson--Can----Delph--------- 
-------------Coutinho------------------
--------Benteke-----Sturridge---------

Is my selection.  This assumes all players are fit (obviously). 
I would honestly have Hutton over Johnson. Glenda is a busted flush. Other than that, I'd probably agree. Though I don't rate their left back too much (but we've got nothing in that position really).

I'd have Hutton and Bacuna ahead of him, but I agree with the rest.  Add a bench:

Given (mignolet is shit in my opinion)
Okore
Clark
Lucas
Lallana
Stirling
Gabby

I make that 9 each for the best 18 between the 2 squads, and Grealish and Sanchez are very close to Lallana and Lucas for me.  I've said it before, Liverpool, Southampton and Tottenham are 3 of the 5-8 group and I think we're not a million miles away from them squad wise if we can get everyone fit, 1-2 good players (a left back for certain) and I think we'll be competing for those spots, I said at the start of the season that I think this is 9-12 in the league squad and I'm sticking to it, we're much better than our league position suggests.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: supertom on April 22, 2015, 01:21:44 PM
----------------Guzan-------------------
Johnson----Vlaar----Skrtl----Moreno-- 
----Henderson--Can----Delph--------- 
-------------Coutinho------------------
--------Benteke-----Sturridge---------

Is my selection.  This assumes all players are fit (obviously). 
I would honestly have Hutton over Johnson. Glenda is a busted flush. Other than that, I'd probably agree. Though I don't rate their left back too much (but we've got nothing in that position really).

I'd have Hutton and Bacuna ahead of him, but I agree with the rest.  Add a bench:

Given (mignolet is shit in my opinion)
Okore
Clark
Lucas
Lallana
Stirling
Gabby

I make that 9 each for the best 18 between the 2 squads, and Grealish and Sanchez are very close to Lallana and Lucas for me.  I've said it before, Liverpool, Southampton and Tottenham are 3 of the 5-8 group and I think we're not a million miles away from them squad wise if we can get everyone fit, 1-2 good players (a left back for certain) and I think we'll be competing for those spots, I said at the start of the season that I think this is 9-12 in the league squad and I'm sticking to it, we're much better than our league position suggests.
Agreed. There's no way a side with our spine should be hovering over the bottom 3. Sherwood appears to have got us playing up to our potential now. We've got the ability to hurt teams like Spurs and Liverpool.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: CorkVilla on April 22, 2015, 02:44:09 PM
Anyone else think that Jack is better off choosing Ireland over England?  Perhaps then our press might not put him on a ridiculous pedestal as the next great white hope for England and leave him alone to get on with his football!

I'm English and of course I'd love to see him playing for the national side.  But the whole recent Harry Kane nonsense with the press regarding his England debut was a bit of a joke.

Although biased, I would agree and I have often thought the same about Wayne Rooney, I think he would have had a much better club career if he had decided to play for his parents country rather than the country of his birth (not that that was ever going to happen).

If Grealish was an England international he would probably have far more value from a marketing point of view.

According to his dad he's going to stick with the ROI u21's for now anyway.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: paul_e on April 22, 2015, 05:20:16 PM
Regardless of which choice he makes I think sticking with U21 right now is a brilliant decision, England have harmed a fair few youngsters by making them bench warm for the seniors when they could be going to tournaments with the U21s, taking that decision away from them and opting to stay at U21 level takes a lot of self-belief and will benefit him long term.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: not3bad on April 22, 2015, 05:23:59 PM
----------------Guzan-------------------
Johnson----Vlaar----Skrtl----Moreno-- 
----Henderson--Can----Delph--------- 
-------------Coutinho------------------
--------Benteke-----Sturridge---------

Is my selection.  This assumes all players are fit (obviously). 
I would honestly have Hutton over Johnson. Glenda is a busted flush. Other than that, I'd probably agree. Though I don't rate their left back too much (but we've got nothing in that position really).
I was surprised when Glen Johnson came on on Sunday as I'd forgotten he was still at Liverpool!
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: supertom on April 22, 2015, 06:34:55 PM
----------------Guzan-------------------
Johnson----Vlaar----Skrtl----Moreno-- 
----Henderson--Can----Delph--------- 
-------------Coutinho------------------
--------Benteke-----Sturridge---------

Is my selection.  This assumes all players are fit (obviously). 
I would honestly have Hutton over Johnson. Glenda is a busted flush. Other than that, I'd probably agree. Though I don't rate their left back too much (but we've got nothing in that position really).
I was surprised when Glen Johnson came on on Sunday as I'd forgotten he was still at Liverpool!
I think he's off to Italy in the summer. Fiorentina I think.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: brontebilly on April 22, 2015, 06:57:40 PM
Martin Samuel with a typically thought provoking article on Grealish today - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/article-3049357/Abolish-crazy-rules-allow-Jack-Grealish-play-Republic-Ireland.html#comments
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: LTA on April 22, 2015, 09:55:54 PM
Scum trying to catch Jack out it seems.

Dont buy the Scum

https://t.co/xRuQ6cwZKe
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: john e on April 22, 2015, 10:04:04 PM
Grealish is English, born in England, bought up in England by English parents,
That's all there is to it for me
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on April 22, 2015, 10:07:28 PM
I have no allegiance to the Republic whatsoever, but I'd advise Jack to take that option every time, for too many obvious reasons.

Being totally selfish, I just want him to play for Aston Villa and no-one else.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 22, 2015, 10:17:48 PM
He'll get way more playing time with Ireland. That's a good enough reason for me. Yes getting to World Cups might be tougher but the Euros shouldn't be anymore. He can have a stellar international career with Ireland. As opposed to heightened expectation followed by national shame with England.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Dave on April 22, 2015, 10:48:11 PM
Martin Samuel with a typically thought provoking article on Grealish today - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/article-3049357/Abolish-crazy-rules-allow-Jack-Grealish-play-Republic-Ireland.html#comments
I'd take his point of view a lot more seriously if he'd kicked up a fuss a decade ago about why Owen Hargreaves wasn't playing for Canada. And I've not seen his article about the outdated rules meaning Raheem Sterling should be playing for Jamaica. It only seems to be an issue when it has a negative rather than positive impact on the country that he and most of his readers follow.

Or if he didn't make his point with complete fibs such as "He was later named in an Under 17 squad but by then it was too late. He was already playing for Ireland". It wasn't too late then and it still isn't too late now, hence the discussion around which country he is going to declare for.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on April 22, 2015, 11:42:04 PM
For England (in football at least) the flag of convenience thing is a rarity, but just doesn't compare to the industrial scale Ireland does it, where it's a major plank of their strategy. 

Hargreaves is the only egregious example I can think of, given that he was neither born in England, raised or lived in England as a child, or came through the English football system, or even played for an English club before he was capped.  But even then, his parents were English (and Welsh), rather than his grandparents.

Sterling has been in England since he was 5, so it gets a bit dodgy if you discount someone raised and living legally here that long as not being English.

I suspect for Jack, it's a head vs heart matter - he probably would want to play for Ireland all other things being equal; but playing for England gives him a higher profile, more chances to play in a World Cup, and potentially more sponsorship opportunities.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: ozzjim on April 22, 2015, 11:59:57 PM
Scum trying to catch Jack out it seems.

Dont buy the Scum

https://t.co/xRuQ6cwZKe

I read somewhere that Berahino has posted that picture of Jack. Might have read it wrong, but not impressed if he did.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: placeforparks on April 23, 2015, 12:00:19 AM
disappointed they didn't call it hippy craic...

(http://i.imgur.com/3gsrtww.jpg)
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: tomd2103 on April 23, 2015, 12:08:12 AM
I think we're massively underrating Liverpool's squad just because we dicked on them on Sunday in every possible way. I'm not sure you can do really much when your manager sets you up with no strikers, a couple of makeshift defenders against the best striker in the league right now, and carrying the hilariously oversized albatross that is Steven Gerrard around your collective necks.

They're quite clearly not a top 4 worthy squad, but Henderson's a better version of Cleverley because he can actually create chances in the final third, Can was shit at RB but in midfield he combines the best attributes of Sanchez and Westwood, Lallana was very good for a pretty decent Southampton side. Sterling, Coutinho, Sturridge and Moreno would all start for us (well, not Sturridge, but I don't think there's any doubt as to his quality; it's all about health with him.)

Still, they've managed to sustain a top four challenge relatively late into the season, albeit in a pretty dodgy season for the PL overall, and the fact that we walked so easily through them is an encouraging sign of what could happen if we could reach and sustain that sort of level for the majority of a league season.

Agree somewhat with that.  Brendan Rodgers tried to be too clever on Sunday and played right into our hands.  He should have started Lambert and if I was managing a team against us, I'd play wide players and try and get at Bacuna and Richradson as often as possible.  He did neither and it cost them the game. Oh well!
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: itbrvilla on April 23, 2015, 12:12:14 AM
Doesn't even look like him.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: supertom on April 23, 2015, 12:21:26 AM
The Sun are absolute scum. Why even post the pic? They clearly can't validate exactly what he's doing. It could be a bloody balloon, or helium. And how long have they had this picture? Did they wait around to post it at a time his profile might be high?
The media go on and on about our nation underachieving. They throw the England players to the wolves when they fail in tournaments, but keep spending every hour possible trying to destroy young footballers. It's vile. And what are they sensationalising? Sterling on a shisha pipe (legal) and a few young lads fannying around with (at worst) a LEGAL high.

Jack just needs to be wary, like any young footballer, that any time a camera is around they're liable to end up on a front or back page if they're doing anything that could be in anyway construed as unprofessional. He's a 19 yr old lad and 19yr old lads do shit like this, but he's in a profession where he cannot act like any other 19 year old. He'll learn that soon enough.

As for the Sun, it should be fucking torn down. It's about time all those tabloids went the way of NOTW.
 
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 23, 2015, 12:43:57 AM
Here comes the attention that fame brings where they start to dig up everything about a person. Jack has to deal with this now; the truth and all of the other stuff that might not be the truth. He's this weeks new darling and in the PL he's going to have to find a way to keep playing really well and deal with all of the other distractions. In a world of phone cameras all of a sudden things that he might never have thought would be an issue will be exposed, and the "journalists" working for the rags will try and find all kinds of dirt on him. It's the British tabloid way
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: richl on April 23, 2015, 01:46:19 AM
No need to worry, I bet his dad will kill him and stop his pocket money.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Matt Collins on April 23, 2015, 07:03:46 AM
I really couldn't give a shit other than if the press attention affects his game

Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: PeterWithe on April 23, 2015, 07:18:34 AM
Hes blowing up a balloon for Stevie G's birthday party.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: PeterWithe on April 23, 2015, 07:31:52 AM
Its helium in the balloon according to the Mail, are the yout' calling it Hippy Crack now?

One point is that someone inside Jacks circle has thought more of a few coins than he did their friendship when he sold the picture, beware.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Dave on April 23, 2015, 07:50:36 AM
Hargreaves is the only egregious example I can think of, given that he was neither born in England, raised or lived in England as a child, or came through the English football system, or even played for an English club before he was capped.  But even then, his parents were English (and Welsh), rather than his grandparents.

Sterling has been in England since he was 5, so it gets a bit dodgy if you discount someone raised and living legally here that long as not being English.
I fully agree, but Martin Samuel doesn't.

Quote
'The rules were intended to help those without a choice - unable to play for their country of birth, but good enough to represent that of their ancestors... But Grealish's situation isn't like that. The rules as applied in his case do not combat the absence of choice, they offer more choice, where none is necessary.'

Both Sterling and Hargreaves are more than good enough to represent the country of their birth so a choice isn't necessary for them. In short, Martin Samuel is a nitwit.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Gerrin on April 23, 2015, 07:55:59 AM
Its helium in the balloon according to the Mail, are the yout' calling it Hippy Crack now?

One point is that someone inside Jacks circle has thought more of a few coins than he did their friendship when he sold the picture, beware.

What a ridiculous term Hippy Crack is, 20 years ago when I indulged in most 'substances' the term hippy was totally outdated even then. How the term Hippy Crack is created from what appears to be a pretty harmless substance.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: john e on April 23, 2015, 07:56:32 AM
I didn't know it was even a thing
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Steve R on April 23, 2015, 08:07:41 AM
What has Grealish's accent got to do with anything? If the answer is nothing then why mention it? Prejudiced and opinionated - Samuels has certainly found his spiritual home at the Mail.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Ron Manager on April 23, 2015, 08:39:54 AM
Here comes the attention that fame brings where they start to dig up everything about a person. Jack has to deal with this now; the truth and all of the other stuff that might not be the truth. He's this weeks new darling and in the PL he's going to have to find a way to keep playing really well and deal with all of the other distractions. In a world of phone cameras all of a sudden things that he might never have thought would be an issue will be exposed, and the "journalists" working for the rags will try and find all kinds of dirt on him. It's the British tabloid way

Exactly TV. Young Jack has one very good game at a high profile venue, the gutter press are short on sensational news and that picture would be manna from heaven for them. I suspect Jack is in for a rough few days. A major bollocking from his father and a damned good talking to from Gilet Man. I haven't met Jack in person but a friend of mine spoke to him briefly after Notts County's game up at the Wolves  before he left. Apparently he is a nice lad but Dave (who is in his forties) said he came across 'as a bit too confident in himself' considering he had played very poorly in the match. Not good publicity for our club in any way when things are starting to go our way. Not good at all!
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 23, 2015, 08:47:08 AM
It's amazing how quick the press try to drag a young player down.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Ron Manager on April 23, 2015, 09:01:42 AM
Camera phones have been disastrous for those in the entertainment business. Possibly the worst invention since the wheel!
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 23, 2015, 09:04:23 AM
Martin Samuel with a typically thought provoking article on Grealish today - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/article-3049357/Abolish-crazy-rules-allow-Jack-Grealish-play-Republic-Ireland.html#comments

I find Martin Samuel's stuff to always be thought-provoking.

That thought being "what a c**t that Martin Samuel is".

I think he's got a point on this, though, to be fair. It does seem a daft rule.

On the flip side, I don't blame Ireland for making the most of it. Those are the rules, they'd be nuts not to exploit them as best they possibly can.

Also, the "he's English, born here, grew up here" argument is fine for us to declare for him but it is clearly more complicated for Grealish.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Dr Butler on April 23, 2015, 09:05:28 AM
absolutely pathetic from The Sun...kid plays with balloon would of been a better headline.

UTV
The Doc
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: passport1 on April 23, 2015, 09:22:34 AM
19 year old does something daft. Shock horror.Whatever next.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Bren'd on April 23, 2015, 09:28:44 AM
Is it even daft?  Many a time I've seen people take helium, even on TV for the purpose of distorting their voice to make others laugh.  No major out cry then.  Now all of a sudden it's the latest Crystal Meth or something.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Dave on April 23, 2015, 09:45:53 AM
Is it even daft?  Many a time I've seen people take helium, even on TV for the purpose of distorting their voice to make others laugh.  No major out cry then.  Now all of a sudden it's the latest Crystal Meth or something.
It's nitrous oxide, not helium.

Not that it really matters. If it were particularly dangerous, I can't imagine they'd encourage women in labour to puff away on a canister of it for ten hours at a time.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: danno on April 23, 2015, 09:49:42 AM
If I was in Jack Grealish's shoes, all this crap would certainly make playing for Ireland look more appealing.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Bren'd on April 23, 2015, 09:51:01 AM
Is it even daft?  Many a time I've seen people take helium, even on TV for the purpose of distorting their voice to make others laugh.  No major out cry then.  Now all of a sudden it's the latest Crystal Meth or something.
It's nitrous oxide, not helium.

Not that it really matters. If it were particularly dangerous, I can't imagine they'd encourage women in labour to puff away on a canister of it for ten hours at a time.

Oh, 'Gas and air'.  The only time I've tried that was when my wife was giving birth. 
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: TheMalandro on April 23, 2015, 09:52:10 AM
Better than vilifying these young footballers they should tell them of the dangers. With the money they have I imagine they are buying tanks.
You can freeze your vocal cords and pop your lungs if you put your gob on the end.

Not to mention dangers if they are careless with the bottle/valve
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: nodge on April 23, 2015, 09:52:44 AM
How times change.  Pictures of Paul Gascoigne, Paul Merson, etc encouraging fans to drink copious amounts of alcohol. Pictures of George Best surrounded by glasses of champagne.  That was all good fun because it was a lads thing to do wasn't it.  That ended well.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: JG on April 23, 2015, 09:52:58 AM
Welcome to the British tabloid press Jack Grealish. Why let the facts get in the way of a good story!!!! I despise them, i really do. All agenda driven drivel
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Dave on April 23, 2015, 09:59:15 AM
Is it even daft?  Many a time I've seen people take helium, even on TV for the purpose of distorting their voice to make others laugh.  No major out cry then.  Now all of a sudden it's the latest Crystal Meth or something.
It's nitrous oxide, not helium.

Not that it really matters. If it were particularly dangerous, I can't imagine they'd encourage women in labour to puff away on a canister of it for ten hours at a time.

Oh, 'Gas and air'.  The only time I've tried that was when my wife was giving birth. 
Same. Although our midwife turned up about ten minutes after we got in the room and didn't leave for a single minute until the baby popped out, so I didn't really get much opportunity.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: joe_c on April 23, 2015, 10:01:25 AM
Just to googled Martin Samuels to confirm he was who I thought he was, ie the Andy Fordham tribute act.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Chris Jameson on April 23, 2015, 10:14:06 AM
Harder drugs than helium (or 'Hippy Crack' in S*n speak) were required during the Lambert years.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: PeterWithe on April 23, 2015, 10:36:24 AM
I haven't met Jack in person but a friend of mine spoke to him briefly after Notts County's game up at the Wolves  before he left. Apparently he is a nice lad but Dave (who is in his forties) said he came across 'as a bit too confident in himself' considering he had played very poorly in the match. Not good publicity for our club in any way when things are starting to go our way. Not good at all!

All top sportsmen are confident, I'd be more concerned if he came across as painfully shy and meek.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Dave on April 23, 2015, 10:44:01 AM
I haven't met Jack in person but a friend of mine spoke to him briefly after Notts County's game up at the Wolves  before he left. Apparently he is a nice lad but Dave (who is in his forties) said he came across 'as a bit too confident in himself' considering he had played very poorly in the match. Not good publicity for our club in any way when things are starting to go our way. Not good at all!

All top sportsmen are confident, I'd be more concerned if he came across as painfully shy and meek.
And as for not good publicity, the only people this reflects badly on are the twats who thought it was worthy of putting such a non-story on their back pages.

Who else gives the tiniest little fuck about it?
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 23, 2015, 10:59:27 AM
I haven't met Jack in person but a friend of mine spoke to him briefly after Notts County's game up at the Wolves  before he left. Apparently he is a nice lad but Dave (who is in his forties) said he came across 'as a bit too confident in himself' considering he had played very poorly in the match. Not good publicity for our club in any way when things are starting to go our way. Not good at all!

All top sportsmen are confident, I'd be more concerned if he came across as painfully shy and meek.
And as for not good publicity, the only people this reflects badly on are the twats who thought it was worthy of putting such a non-story on their back pages.

Who else gives the tiniest little fuck about it?

and whoever sold them the photo.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Dave on April 23, 2015, 12:21:22 PM
At least some commentators have the right of it:

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Fresh from their 'picture exclusive' on Wednesday, The Sun step up their game with a 'world exclusive' on Thursday. Yes, 'hippie crack' has returned to the back pages.
 
The subject of this latest exposé is Aston Villa's Jack Grealish. If the timing seems more than a little coincidental, that's because it is. Whilst the back page screams out the inflammatory and scare-mongering headlines, the inside page concedes that, like Sterling before him, the photos were taken six months ago.
 
Mediawatch feels duty-bound to point out that a form of 'hippie crack' (or nitrous oxide if your lexicon is not sculpted solely from tabloid headlines) is used to alleviate the pain of serious injuries, and thus has probably been used on the pitch, in a stadium, by a not insignificant proportion of Premier League footballers. It's just called entonox - or gas and air - in those circumstances.
 
For a potentially dangerous drug (remembering that too much of anything will potentially do you a mischief) it's actually used by many club's medical departments, not to mention doctors and dentists. And it's given to pregnant women during childbirth.
 
Is this the future, then? The Sun sit on a bank of photos of footballers carrying out a pastime which is statistically far less harmful than drinking alcohol or smoking cigarettes. They bide their time, waiting until said player's form takes his reputation to a zenith.

At that point the pictures are then splashed over the back pages, ignoring the extended period since they were actually taken. Only then can their stories cause the most damage to the player, and garner the most notoriety for their newspaper.
 
Build them up, then knock them down: The English way.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: joe_c on April 23, 2015, 12:28:35 PM
Where's that article from, Dave?
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Bully2345 on April 23, 2015, 12:30:03 PM
Football 365 Mediawatch

They're pretty good at being the voice of reason against the journos
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Steve R on April 23, 2015, 12:36:48 PM
...
I find Martin Samuel's stuff to always be thought-provoking.

That thought being "what a c**t that Martin Samuel is".

I think he's got a point on this, though, to be fair. It does seem a daft rule.

...

It is a daft rule, but Samuel isn't actually advocating changing it as such, merely that it should be applied in some cases but not others. He doesn't even venture the criteria that should be used other than some sort of 'do what I think' principle.

Andy Townsend didn't strike me as being obviously Irish in any way; Tony Cascarino wasn't even qualified as it turned out yet it's Jack Grealish - who has played for Ireland through the Junior levels - who seems to be the issue.

Samuels often appears on Sky's Sunday morning journo's show and comes across as the kind of gobshite who could take a mouthful of paint and spray a car.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: paul_e on April 23, 2015, 02:31:49 PM
For all the fault with the story the underlying issue is very real.  We're getting to a point where situations like that of Adnan Januzaj could become common, where a 17-20 year old is put at the centre of 4-5 national teams all fighting for their loyalty, I don't see how that can be good for the sport at that level.

If you or your parents have nationality in a country then you're eligible without question.  If it's grandparents some sort of arbitration process seems sensible, and I'm posting as someone who doesn't really care which Jack chooses.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: adrenachrome on April 23, 2015, 03:17:28 PM
Nice one, Mat. Some great photographs in the article as well.

Brum Mail (http://www.waste of paper.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-opinion-jack-grealishs-9101863)

Quote
Get off Jack Grealish's back - he's a Villan, not a villain, says Mat Kendrick

Grealish was wrong - but let's leak all the GOOD things the 19-year-old Aston Villa wonder-boy does as well

It’s a pity Jack Grealish wasn’t snapped sweeping his disabled sister into his arms with teary eyes at Wembley on Sunday.

It’s a pity a picture wasn’t leaked of Jack Grealish presenting a cup to his cousin’s winning under-12s team on Tuesday.

It’s a pity there wasn't a photo published of Jack Grealish inviting a fan with Down’s Syndrome into the youth team dressing room in May last year.

Build ‘em up and knock ‘em down.

The photo of the Aston Villa star allegedly inhaling laughing gas is no laughing matter.

It is a bad example for a rising star like Grealish to set.

But let’s get off Jack’s back.

This is a 19-year-old lad adjusting to being thrust into the spotlight during a meteoric rise from youth team hopeful to Wembley wonder.

Grealish is not a poster boy for the arrogant excesses of Premier League prima donnas.

He is a young boy who made a stupid mistake - and knowing his grounded, humble family support network it is an error from which he will learn from.

It’s unclear when this photo of him allegedly taking a balloon of ‘nitrous oxide’ - inappropriate, but not illegal - was taken. But it was clearly released in the public domain via a red top tabloid this week for maximum impact.

That’s not to excuse the academy graduate.

Sunday was the day the world woke up to the Solihull boy’s potential, as a global audience got a tantalising glimpse of what Aston Villa Football Club has excitingly dreamed about for years.

Grealish is a special talent.

The way he glided past Liverpool defenders and caused havoc for the Reds has been honed with years and years of practice on the Bodymoor Heath academy fields and parks pitches around the south Birmingham area.

But the secret is out now.

Villa have a potential superstar in their midst and Grealish now realises there is a price to pay for this fame and fortune malarkey.

He looks like a Jack-the-lad, with the slick quiff and the socks rolled down, but that image belies a young man who knows how privileged he is to be playing for his boyhood club.

On Monday afternoon, for example, the day after his starring semi-final role, he went to help collect his young sisters Holly 11, and Keira, 13, from school.

Hollie, who has cerebral palsy, was the beaming girl Grealish made a beeline for, as the family enjoyed an emotional embrace after Sunday’s jubilant scenes.

Nobody leaked that picture.

On Tuesday tea-time, Grealish was at Park Hall Academy in Castle Bromwich to present a trophy to his cousin Tom Mills and his pals.

Tom’s under-12s team had just won the cup for St Peter’s Catholic School in Solihull - the same competition Grealish won as a pupil at the same school around seven years ago.

He was mobbed by star-struck kids as he handed out the medals.

Nobody leaked that picture.

Last May in Hong Kong, Grealish invited a lad called Sean, with Down’s Syndrome, into the Villa dressing room and gave him his shirt.

Nobody leaked that picture.

On several occasions this season he has been to watch Notts County - the former club he helped keep in League One a year ago. On each visit to Meadow Lane he has stopped and signed autopgraphs and posed for photos for everyone who wanted one.

Nobody leaked those pictures.

Grealish was only four when his nine-month old baby brother Keelan died, but he has made a point of dedicating every joyous moment of his burgeoning career to the memory of his late sibling.

Nobody is saying Jack Grealish is an angel - but neither is this born-and-bred, dyed-in-the-wool, claret-and-blue Villan, a villain.

Get off Jack’s back.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on April 23, 2015, 03:43:07 PM
Is it even daft?  Many a time I've seen people take helium, even on TV for the purpose of distorting their voice to make others laugh.  No major out cry then.  Now all of a sudden it's the latest Crystal Meth or something.
It's nitrous oxide, not helium.

Not that it really matters. If it were particularly dangerous, I can't imagine they'd encourage women in labour to puff away on a canister of it for ten hours at a time.

Oh, 'Gas and air'.  The only time I've tried that was when my wife was giving birth. 

Me and my missus were fighting over the gas and air cylinder when she was in labour. Nice drop of stuff.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 23, 2015, 04:00:13 PM
I think Sherwood has handled this really well, especially the point he makes about accountability and self discipline.

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Aston Villa’s Jack Grealish warned by Tim Sherwood over nitrous oxide picture
• ‘His behaviour can’t be tolerated,’ says Villa manager Sherwood
• Grealish said to have offered assurance there will be no repeat
• Picture appears to show Jack Grealish inhaling laughing gas

Thursday 23 April 2015 10.29 EDT

Aston Villa’s manager, Tim Sherwood, has warned Jack Grealish after the midfielder was pictured inhaling nitrous oxide.

The 19-year-old has been photographed taking the legal high from a balloon, with the picture published in the Sun on Thursday understood to have been taken a year ago.

Grealish follows the Liverpool winger Raheem Sterling and West Bromwich striker Saido Berahino in being pictured taking the nitrous oxide.

Grealish starred in Sunday’s 2-1 FA Cup semi-final win over Liverpool before the photograph emerged and Sherwood said he had spoken to the player.

“I’m not pleased obviously,” he said. “I spoke to Jack first thing this morning as he came in. I explained to him his behaviour can’t be tolerated by the football club, we can’t condone that behaviour, but, as I said about Raheem last week, he’s a young man, he was even younger a year earlier when the picture was taken.

“It doesn’t matter how young he is, he is now in a responsible position as a professional footballer, he’s got to make sure it won’t happen again. He’s assured me it won’t.”

Grealish will be in the squad for Saturday’s Premier League trip to Manchester City and Sherwood believes it will be a learning curve for the player, who has not been fined.

He said: “I think he’s a fantastic talent, he’s willing to work hard at it, he will be a big player for the future of Aston Villa Football Club.

“I’m not worried. No. To be honest there is only one form of discipline, that’s self-discipline, that’s what really matters. Jack has to take that on board now. This is an eye-opener for him, he has to realise he has to be very careful who he can trust out there.”
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: andyh on April 23, 2015, 04:15:11 PM
Kendricks article is excellent.
The 'friend' of Grealish who released the picture is as much a wanker as the scum at the newspaper who selected it for publication.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: spartacuss on April 23, 2015, 04:26:17 PM
Yeah, the good old 'Currant Bun' - 'The Scum' vomiting its bilge out for decades to create self-loathing, despair and paranoia among its, predominantly, working-class readers. Hacking the phones of dead schoolgirls and soldiers while its owner (Keith) Rupert Murdoch  - formerly Australian, now loyally American passport-wise (for reasons of media ownership and accumulating squillions) - has the brassface cheek to try to tell us to vote for those friends of the 99% of us, the Tory Party.    Murdoch doesn't even have a vote in Britain, but it seems the sky (or Sky) will fall in, if we don't vote for the friends of the financial-crisis creators (the bankers, hedge-funds, tax dodgers etc) the Eton Mess.

Rant over. I will now rinse out my brain, and bathe in the  spiritually-replenishing  videos of the 19th April.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: PeterWithe on April 23, 2015, 04:29:03 PM
My nephew was one of the lads that Jack had his photo taken with on Tuesday at Park Hall, there was quite a queue behind him. Good on yer Jack, I think hes going to be someone we are all very proud of.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Legion on April 23, 2015, 05:05:34 PM
Great article from Mat, there.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: manic-road on April 23, 2015, 05:06:44 PM
It's amazing how quick the press try to drag a young player down.

Unfortunately it's not amazing as so many of the "sports journalists" are complete twats. Many are interested in a bit of scandal rather than report on somebody in a good light, It's what sells papers.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 23, 2015, 05:19:36 PM
Great article from Mat, there.

agreed that is a fabulous piece
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: brontebilly on April 23, 2015, 07:05:14 PM
For England (in football at least) the flag of convenience thing is a rarity, but just doesn't compare to the industrial scale Ireland does it, where it's a major plank of their strategy. 

Hargreaves is the only egregious example I can think of, given that he was neither born in England, raised or lived in England as a child, or came through the English football system, or even played for an English club before he was capped.  But even then, his parents were English (and Welsh), rather than his grandparents.

Sterling has been in England since he was 5, so it gets a bit dodgy if you discount someone raised and living legally here that long as not being English.

I suspect for Jack, it's a head vs heart matter - he probably would want to play for Ireland all other things being equal; but playing for England gives him a higher profile, more chances to play in a World Cup, and potentially more sponsorship opportunities.

Depends on your definition of nationalism though particularly in today's multi cultural society. There is the UKIP type view of England for the white anglo saxon English as espoused by Samuel's Daily Mail (good players only need apply) and another view is that surely its an individual's right to determine who they play for. Id agree on locking it down from u21 level though rather than the farcical scenes where one can play a friendly for one team but still be able to play competitively for another. Alex Bruce has played for the Republic and Norn Iron for example.

Not just England that are happy to skirt around the rules when it suits them. Spain (Costa, Senna), Portugal (Deco), Germany (Podolski, Ozil), practically every team is at it.

The shameless FAI does indeed use the Irish diaspora instead of attempting to run the game properly in the country. But they are perfectly entitled to within the rules. Townsend was a strange example from Samuel, would have thought the likes of himself, Lawrenson and Aldridge would have represented England plenty of times later in their careers. But Jack Chalton got them capped early which put them in the shop window for moves to bigger clubs too. Both Martin Keown's parents were Irish as far as I recall but he wanted to play for England. So it doesnt always work out. If some second or third generation superstar Vladimir Murphy emerges from Dublin in a few years and decides to play for Poland, sure the shoe will be well and truly on the other foot.

The Good Friday Agreement has seen Norn Iron's pick decimated by a somewhat selective/sectarian recruitment policy by the FAI but the likes of Gibson, Wilson and others are perfectly entitled to play for the ROI. A farcical situation in truth that should have been addressed years ago by one single international team on the island like many others sports such as boxing, golf and even rugby.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: saunders_heroes on April 23, 2015, 07:20:20 PM
I don't remember such an uproar when the likes of John Barnes and Tony Dorigo were capped for England. Dorigo was born and bred in Australia to Italian parents and Barnes had no connection to this country other than that he worked here. Sound like sour grapes to me.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: RichardBatchelor on April 23, 2015, 07:21:19 PM
Brilliant article.

The Sun and Murdoch have long since fallen off the radar of human flotsam.

Nice one, Mat. Some great photographs in the article as well.

Brum Mail (http://www.waste of paper.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-opinion-jack-grealishs-9101863)

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Get off Jack Grealish's back - he's a Villan, not a villain, says Mat Kendrick

Grealish was wrong - but let's leak all the GOOD things the 19-year-old Aston Villa wonder-boy does as well

It’s a pity Jack Grealish wasn’t snapped sweeping his disabled sister into his arms with teary eyes at Wembley on Sunday.

It’s a pity a picture wasn’t leaked of Jack Grealish presenting a cup to his cousin’s winning under-12s team on Tuesday.

It’s a pity there wasn't a photo published of Jack Grealish inviting a fan with Down’s Syndrome into the youth team dressing room in May last year.

Build ‘em up and knock ‘em down.

The photo of the Aston Villa star allegedly inhaling laughing gas is no laughing matter.

It is a bad example for a rising star like Grealish to set.

But let’s get off Jack’s back.

This is a 19-year-old lad adjusting to being thrust into the spotlight during a meteoric rise from youth team hopeful to Wembley wonder.

Grealish is not a poster boy for the arrogant excesses of Premier League prima donnas.

He is a young boy who made a stupid mistake - and knowing his grounded, humble family support network it is an error from which he will learn from.

It’s unclear when this photo of him allegedly taking a balloon of ‘nitrous oxide’ - inappropriate, but not illegal - was taken. But it was clearly released in the public domain via a red top tabloid this week for maximum impact.

That’s not to excuse the academy graduate.

Sunday was the day the world woke up to the Solihull boy’s potential, as a global audience got a tantalising glimpse of what Aston Villa Football Club has excitingly dreamed about for years.

Grealish is a special talent.

The way he glided past Liverpool defenders and caused havoc for the Reds has been honed with years and years of practice on the Bodymoor Heath academy fields and parks pitches around the south Birmingham area.

But the secret is out now.

Villa have a potential superstar in their midst and Grealish now realises there is a price to pay for this fame and fortune malarkey.

He looks like a Jack-the-lad, with the slick quiff and the socks rolled down, but that image belies a young man who knows how privileged he is to be playing for his boyhood club.

On Monday afternoon, for example, the day after his starring semi-final role, he went to help collect his young sisters Holly 11, and Keira, 13, from school.

Hollie, who has cerebral palsy, was the beaming girl Grealish made a beeline for, as the family enjoyed an emotional embrace after Sunday’s jubilant scenes.

Nobody leaked that picture.

On Tuesday tea-time, Grealish was at Park Hall Academy in Castle Bromwich to present a trophy to his cousin Tom Mills and his pals.

Tom’s under-12s team had just won the cup for St Peter’s Catholic School in Solihull - the same competition Grealish won as a pupil at the same school around seven years ago.

He was mobbed by star-struck kids as he handed out the medals.

Nobody leaked that picture.

Last May in Hong Kong, Grealish invited a lad called Sean, with Down’s Syndrome, into the Villa dressing room and gave him his shirt.

Nobody leaked that picture.

On several occasions this season he has been to watch Notts County - the former club he helped keep in League One a year ago. On each visit to Meadow Lane he has stopped and signed autopgraphs and posed for photos for everyone who wanted one.

Nobody leaked those pictures.

Grealish was only four when his nine-month old baby brother Keelan died, but he has made a point of dedicating every joyous moment of his burgeoning career to the memory of his late sibling.

Nobody is saying Jack Grealish is an angel - but neither is this born-and-bred, dyed-in-the-wool, claret-and-blue Villan, a villain.

Get off Jack’s back.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Dave on April 23, 2015, 07:47:24 PM
Germany (Podolski, Ozil)
How on earth is Özil 'skirting around the rules'? He was born in Gelsenkirchen to a father who had lived in Germany since he himself was two years old.

Which country should he be playing for instead?
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: brontebilly on April 23, 2015, 08:40:13 PM
Germany (Podolski, Ozil)
How on earth is Özil 'skirting around the rules'? He was born in Gelsenkirchen to a father who had lived in Germany since he himself was two years old.

Which country should he be playing for instead?

Whichever country he deems fit, the choice should be with the individual not little Englanders like Martin Samuel and his constituents
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Dave on April 23, 2015, 09:04:59 PM
Germany (Podolski, Ozil)
How on earth is Özil 'skirting around the rules'? He was born in Gelsenkirchen to a father who had lived in Germany since he himself was two years old.

Which country should he be playing for instead?

Whichever country he deems fit, the choice should be with the individual not little Englanders like Martin Samuel and his constituents
Agreed, but I don't see how somebody born in Germany to parents who have lived all their lives in Germany playing for Germany is skirting around the rules, as you put it?
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: paul_e on April 23, 2015, 09:25:19 PM
Germany (Podolski, Ozil)
How on earth is Özil 'skirting around the rules'? He was born in Gelsenkirchen to a father who had lived in Germany since he himself was two years old.

Which country should he be playing for instead?

Whichever country he deems fit, the choice should be with the individual not little Englanders like Martin Samuel and his constituents

Sorry but no, the whole concept of international sport relies on there being some restrictions, if anyone can play for whoever they like how is it different to club football other than you only get one shot to pick the most successful country.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: silhillvilla on April 23, 2015, 09:54:38 PM
Well done Matt Kendrick.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Matt Collins on April 23, 2015, 10:36:51 PM
It's just such a massive storm in a teacup

It's legal. It's virtually harmless.

God I despise the Sun

I wonder if sherwood might take jack out of the limelight. Guess it depends if it's got his head down.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Gregorys Boy on April 24, 2015, 02:34:50 AM
Thing is these things happen in trends.  Six months ago we didn't hear anything about celebs smoking these things, now we've had reports of two footballers and a soap star doing it.  It just doesn't happen like that, they've probably been doing it for awhile but because of the Sterling becoming big news it has caused a tricle effect.

It is no big deal, but is not ideal for a sports person to be involved in.  No reason for Sherwood to take him out of the spotlight just because of this.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on April 24, 2015, 03:07:36 AM
You know what. Since when is it a scandal or wrong for a young man to do something completely legal that has far less of an impact on his ability to train than a pint of beer?

Fuck the Sun.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: DBTW on April 24, 2015, 09:29:58 AM
I tried it when my wife was giving birth to our second daughter. Its bloody brilliant!
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: supertom on April 24, 2015, 11:24:20 AM
The pic was taken a year ago apparently. Undoubtedly the Sun probably got that around that time and have held onto it. They must have been grinning like the fucking Grinch when he was tearing Liverpool apart Sunday.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Billy Walker on April 24, 2015, 12:01:37 PM
Thing is these things happen in trends.  Six months ago we didn't hear anything about celebs smoking these things, now we've had reports of two footballers and a soap star doing it.  It just doesn't happen like that, they've probably been doing it for awhile but because of the Sterling becoming big news it has caused a tricle effect.

It is no big deal, but is not ideal for a sports person to be involved in.  No reason for Sherwood to take him out of the spotlight just because of this.

It's a totally media dictated "trend".    They want it to be "news" so they make it "news".  As with everything else from politics, to celebrity to a football club's brand value, the media dictates and can manipulate it all.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Chris Jameson on April 24, 2015, 12:30:17 PM
I notice their front page exclusive today involves a member of the most succesful boy band in the world smoking a spliff in a bedroom with five girls at 5.00am. It would be news if he didn't do such things.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Singapore Villa on April 24, 2015, 12:53:22 PM
Good article from Matt K.  Some perspective. 
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: dave shelley on April 24, 2015, 02:07:57 PM
Slightly off topic but, a few years ago I had an Angiogram done.  Now, I don't know what the feck they shoot into you when they do it but, I reckon everybody should have a shot of it.  I said to Mrs S when I came out of the operating theatre ' that didn't take long'. I was conscious all the time btw, she replied, 'what are you talking about? You were nearly an hour in there'.  Real loopy juice.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 24, 2015, 04:55:46 PM
If anyone gets a chance listen to the 5Live Football Daily podcast from yesterday on this subject. Has the interview with Sherwood, it has a pretty balanced view presented by Pat Murphy where he does mention a lot of things Kendrick does about Jack. Also has an interview with Professor David Nut who basically dismisses the entire thing and calls it media hysteria. That while long term continuous exposure of the gas in its pure form might be dangerous, as it is, it is almost completely harmless and significantly less dangerous than many drugs and alcohol available today.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: old man villa fan on April 24, 2015, 08:17:40 PM
Thing is these things happen in trends.  Six months ago we didn't hear anything about celebs smoking these things, now we've had reports of two footballers and a soap star doing it.  It just doesn't happen like that, they've probably been doing it for awhile but because of the Sterling becoming big news it has caused a tricle effect.

It is no big deal, but is not ideal for a sports person to be involved in.  No reason for Sherwood to take him out of the spotlight just because of this.

It's a totally media dictated "trend".    They want it to be "news" so they make it "news".  As with everything else from politics, to celebrity to a football club's brand value, the media dictates and can manipulate it all.

I have said it for years, the media aren't interested in reporting news, they want to make news.  Life is too fast paced now to wait for real news.  Also, for one thing it is usually cheaper and another, they can make up stories based on very limited information - speculation in the extreme.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Legion on April 24, 2015, 08:21:35 PM
If anyone gets a chance listen to the 5Live Football Daily podcast from yesterday on this subject. Has the interview with Sherwood, it has a pretty balanced view presented by Pat Murphy where he does mention a lot of things Kendrick does about Jack. Also has an interview with Professor David Nut who basically dismisses the entire thing and calls it media hysteria. That while long term continuous exposure of the gas in its pure form might be dangerous, as it is, it is almost completely harmless and significantly less dangerous than many drugs and alcohol available today.

There was some absolute supposedly expert moron on TS at about 7pm this evening stating the exact opposite.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Rudy65 on April 24, 2015, 08:23:27 PM
I notice their front page exclusive today involves a member of the most succesful boy band in the world smoking a spliff in a bedroom with five girls at 5.00am. It would be news if he didn't do such things.

Whats not too like in his position
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: KRS on April 24, 2015, 08:38:29 PM
Part of the problem is that its been branded as hippy "crack"...having that word associated to a gas as harmless and widely used as nitrous oxide is ridiculous in itself. A quick Google also just happens to find this which agrees with what I just typed:

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‘Hippy Crack’ is a ridiculous term
Let’s get this out there, nobody uses the term hippy crack except journalists and people who remain woefully ignorant (and there’s a natural venn diagram right there).

Laughing gas is the most obvious slang term for Nitrous Oxide. Can you imagine a young footballer, or indeed anyone, turning to his mate and saying “Oi, pass us the hippy crack” - no you can’t, because that has literally never happened.

Source: http://www.waste of paper.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/nitrous-oxide-hippy-crack---9107553
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 24, 2015, 08:47:27 PM
If anyone gets a chance listen to the 5Live Football Daily podcast from yesterday on this subject. Has the interview with Sherwood, it has a pretty balanced view presented by Pat Murphy where he does mention a lot of things Kendrick does about Jack. Also has an interview with Professor David Nut who basically dismisses the entire thing and calls it media hysteria. That while long term continuous exposure of the gas in its pure form might be dangerous, as it is, it is almost completely harmless and significantly less dangerous than many drugs and alcohol available today.

There was some absolute supposedly expert moron on TS at about 7pm this evening stating the exact opposite.

Yet I imagine TS slurped it all up because it was the more sensational view. Yet they fail to realize if it was so dangerous then it would be illegal.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: PaulTheVillan on April 24, 2015, 08:47:50 PM
Has he been linked with Liverpool yet?
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Legion on April 24, 2015, 08:48:22 PM
The clueless prat wanted it banned as it causes death.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 24, 2015, 08:48:54 PM
It is funny that somehow by having beaten Liverpool our players have risen to the level of being good enough for them. It makes you laugh...
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 24, 2015, 08:50:53 PM
The clueless prat wanted it banned as it causes death.

Yet as Professor Nut pointed out alcohol is still the number one killer of young men. I doubt the pinhead on TS asked for that to be banned. Because what would the likes of that fat fuck Alan Brazil think of that?
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: brian green on April 24, 2015, 09:52:05 PM
For me the incident is put in perspective by the fact that when we used to go to the school dental clinic on the Stratford Road even children were offered the choice of being given gas (nitrous oxide) or cocaine.   Most of us rejected "the needle" and had gas.   Now both of what were perfectly safe and legal procedures are regarded as the path to hell.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: OCD on April 24, 2015, 09:57:45 PM
If anyone gets a chance listen to the 5Live Football Daily podcast from yesterday on this subject. Has the interview with Sherwood, it has a pretty balanced view presented by Pat Murphy where he does mention a lot of things Kendrick does about Jack. Also has an interview with Professor David Nut who basically dismisses the entire thing and calls it media hysteria. That while long term continuous exposure of the gas in its pure form might be dangerous, as it is, it is almost completely harmless and significantly less dangerous than many drugs and alcohol available today.

There was some absolute supposedly expert moron on TS at about 7pm this evening stating the exact opposite.

Yet I imagine TS slurped it all up because it was the more sensational view. Yet they fail to realize if it was so dangerous then it would be illegal.

Isn't the issue not so much about nitrous oxide but more to do with people creating cheap copies that could contain anything in them? I seem to remember an interview with a parent of a child who had died using a flawed imitation.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 24, 2015, 10:02:50 PM
If anyone gets a chance listen to the 5Live Football Daily podcast from yesterday on this subject. Has the interview with Sherwood, it has a pretty balanced view presented by Pat Murphy where he does mention a lot of things Kendrick does about Jack. Also has an interview with Professor David Nut who basically dismisses the entire thing and calls it media hysteria. That while long term continuous exposure of the gas in its pure form might be dangerous, as it is, it is almost completely harmless and significantly less dangerous than many drugs and alcohol available today.

There was some absolute supposedly expert moron on TS at about 7pm this evening stating the exact opposite.

Yet I imagine TS slurped it all up because it was the more sensational view. Yet they fail to realize if it was so dangerous then it would be illegal.

Isn't the issue not so much about nitrous oxide but more to do with people creating cheap copies that could contain anything in them? I seem to remember an interview with a parent of a child who had died using a flawed imitation.

If that's the true issue then it isn't being mentioned in the sensationalized articles about footballers doing this. It's more important to the tabloids they expose celebrities than tackle a deeper problem. They never go overboard on young footballers drinking, and back in the day Gazza was all the rage as he got plastered week after week in his prime. I think there is a massive level of hypocrisy, and to add to that, where was this story last Saturday? Stunning that it has suddenly come out the week after Grealish rose to national prominence. That the tabloids instead of writing about the good things about Grealish found some scumbag mate of his who sold a picture for a bit of silver.

Not dismissing anything you are saying because off course there could be adverse affects to this or as you suggest cheap copies (of the gas). But it is all a storm in a teacup really.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Somniloquism on April 24, 2015, 10:56:34 PM
For me the incident is put in perspective by the fact that when we used to go to the school dental clinic on the Stratford Road even children were offered the choice of being given gas (nitrous oxide) or cocaine.   Most of us rejected "the needle" and had gas.   Now both of what were perfectly safe and legal procedures are regarded as the path to hell.

Either you are a lot older then I realised or your Dentist was having you on and was using Novacaine instead.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: dave shelley on April 25, 2015, 06:14:49 AM
For me the incident is put in perspective by the fact that when we used to go to the school dental clinic on the Stratford Road even children were offered the choice of being given gas (nitrous oxide) or cocaine.   Most of us rejected "the needle" and had gas.   Now both of what were perfectly safe and legal procedures are regarded as the path to hell.

Either you are a lot older then I realised or your Dentist was having you on and was using Novacaine instead.


Brian is correct in what he says there.  When we were younger, a trip to the Dentist for major dental work was, always the choice of Gas or Cocaine.  Whatever form that Cocaine was given in and by which name, those were the choices.  After you had something done, when talking about it, you were always asked 'did you have Gs or Cocaine?'  You don't get to choose these days do you? unless you suffer from allergies.  It's straightforward Novocaine.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: brian green on April 25, 2015, 07:51:25 AM
I am older than you think and the offer was cocaine.   Gas was much the preferred option not least of all because dentists did not have to cope with squirming, twitching, terrified patients.   Gas began to decline rapidly after a number of high profile accusations by women patients, true, false or somewhere in between, that they had been sexually molested while under the gas.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: peter w on April 25, 2015, 08:06:30 AM
Big game for Jack today after the highest of profiles of the last week. he needs to get his first touch in early and get involved, whether linking a move or being clattered to fully focus on the game. Be interesting to see if this is a game too far at the moment for him or if he plays like last week - there is the temptation to start him on the bench and go with Cole. Just to take the attention from him.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: PeterWithe on April 25, 2015, 08:13:53 AM
Ive a sneaking suspicion that Jack will be rested today.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: AV82EC on April 25, 2015, 08:18:09 AM
Stick him in because if there's one thing he needs to learn is the mental discipline of consistently performing week in week out.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: peter w on April 25, 2015, 08:34:46 AM
That's just it AV. He doesn't. Not at 19 and not at the end of a week where his head is in the clouds. Being 'rested' is as much to do with the mental side as playing at that age.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: AV82EC on April 25, 2015, 08:51:28 AM
That's just it AV. He doesn't. Not at 19 and not at the end of a week where his head is in the clouds. Being 'rested' is as much to do with the mental side as playing at that age.

Fair point pw, he has been on a high (arf!) but the biggest criticism of why we don't produce enough talent in this country is the lack of football for young players between 19-21. I'd go on the side of him having to learn about this but I can see the argument of resting him. Anyway I'm sure he'll be in the squad and Tim will see what he thinks about mental/physical condition.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: peter w on April 25, 2015, 09:03:22 AM
Well exactly. Sherwood is better positioned to see what Grealish is like and whether he is ready for todays game - which is another high profile one. He'll have seen him in training all week and he and his coaches will have been noting if he has been training like a Jack-the-lad (to pardon a pun). I guess if they see anything that isn't consistent with his training performances to date they'll drop him. If he is exactly the same he may be given a start because one thing we know is that Sherwood isn't shy of giving the kids a chance.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: thick_mike on April 25, 2015, 12:09:03 PM
My son recently had to have five teeth removed for orthodontic treatment and he was given hippy crack to ease his anxiety.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Ron Manager on April 25, 2015, 12:13:13 PM
I hope the fans don't all turn up with balloons. The Sun photographer will have a heart attack!
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: dave shelley on April 25, 2015, 01:52:46 PM
I hope the fans don't all turn up with balloons. The Sun photographer will have a heart attack!

Circa early seventies eh Ron?
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: OCD on April 25, 2015, 03:40:24 PM
If anyone gets a chance listen to the 5Live Football Daily podcast from yesterday on this subject. Has the interview with Sherwood, it has a pretty balanced view presented by Pat Murphy where he does mention a lot of things Kendrick does about Jack. Also has an interview with Professor David Nut who basically dismisses the entire thing and calls it media hysteria. That while long term continuous exposure of the gas in its pure form might be dangerous, as it is, it is almost completely harmless and significantly less dangerous than many drugs and alcohol available today.

There was some absolute supposedly expert moron on TS at about 7pm this evening stating the exact opposite.

Yet I imagine TS slurped it all up because it was the more sensational view. Yet they fail to realize if it was so dangerous then it would be illegal.

Isn't the issue not so much about nitrous oxide but more to do with people creating cheap copies that could contain anything in them? I seem to remember an interview with a parent of a child who had died using a flawed imitation.

If that's the true issue then it isn't being mentioned in the sensationalized articles about footballers doing this. It's more important to the tabloids they expose celebrities than tackle a deeper problem. They never go overboard on young footballers drinking, and back in the day Gazza was all the rage as he got plastered week after week in his prime. I think there is a massive level of hypocrisy, and to add to that, where was this story last Saturday? Stunning that it has suddenly come out the week after Grealish rose to national prominence. That the tabloids instead of writing about the good things about Grealish found some scumbag mate of his who sold a picture for a bit of silver.

Not dismissing anything you are saying because off course there could be adverse affects to this or as you suggest cheap copies (of the gas). But it is all a storm in a teacup really.

I agree with what you say about the gutter press. My point was more about why Nitros is controversial when it's something that has legitimate medical uses.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 25, 2015, 07:58:42 PM
Looked great again today, a great player to watch.
I hope that he is practicing shooting in training because at the moment players drop off him as they're worried about his close control.  Add long shots to his armoury and he will be an exceptional player.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: django on April 25, 2015, 08:00:49 PM
Created more than David Silva today.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 25, 2015, 08:01:06 PM
Lovely player to watch. He's only going to get better. Stick a solid LB in there to protect that side and he'll grow in confidence playing that side with Delph.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: leylandalbion on April 25, 2015, 08:02:50 PM
His first full 90 today and he seemed to be getting better and more influential as the game went on.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: supertom on April 25, 2015, 08:09:41 PM
A delight to watch. He just seems to love playing football. Always looking to make something happen. He's got a brain on him. He was almost too clever for some of team mates a couple of times. He slipped a similar ball that set up Delph last week, into Zogbia, who misread it. He did again a few minutes later but Zoggy was alert to it that time and we opened them up.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: paul_e on April 25, 2015, 08:28:16 PM
I thought he was man of the match today, he made a real difference when he got on the ball, once we started getting into it he was at the core of almost everything good we did.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Ian J on April 25, 2015, 08:58:50 PM
What a fantastic player. The last few weeks he's looking proper quality.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Rudy65 on April 25, 2015, 09:05:08 PM
Jack glides around players. Love watching him
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 25, 2015, 09:05:52 PM
I think describing his play as effortless sums him up quite well. Nothing seems rushed and he simply drifts or glides past professional footballers.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Rudy65 on April 25, 2015, 09:10:01 PM
That's just it AV. He doesn't. Not at 19 and not at the end of a week where his head is in the clouds. Being 'rested' is as much to do with the mental side as playing at that age.

Fair point pw, he has been on a high (arf!) but the biggest criticism of why we don't produce enough talent in this country is the lack of football for young players between 19-21. I'd go on the side of him having to learn about this but I can see the argument of resting him. Anyway I'm sure he'll be in the squad and Tim will see what he thinks about mental/physical condition.

Keep playing him whilst he is in form. Glad he played the full 90 today. He seems to have confidence, not fazed and will help to keep us up. Joy to watch. I have now taken to calling him 'Jackie boy'. Showing my age
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Pat McMahon on April 25, 2015, 09:14:15 PM
Looked great again today, a great player to watch.
I hope that he is practicing shooting in training because at the moment players drop off him as they're worried about his close control.  Add long shots to his armoury and he will be an exceptional player.

I was saying that during the game. He is often in a decent position to shoot but plays very good passes to team mates. If he adds shooting to his armoury he will be less predictable, forcing defenders to lunge in to block the shot.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on April 25, 2015, 09:17:35 PM
Excellent again, who'd have thought that number 10 we were after was already here
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 25, 2015, 09:19:53 PM
I think describing his play as effortless sums him up quite well. Nothing seems rushed and he simply drifts or glides past professional footballers.

I agree, I said this last week. Very few players can make the game seem easy and effortless.

Needs to work on his final decision, but potentially one hell of a player. He makes the game look easy and always seems to have more time than most other players, which is what you see in real class players.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: onje_villa on April 25, 2015, 09:37:26 PM
Looked great again today, a great player to watch.
I hope that he is practicing shooting in training because at the moment players drop off him as they're worried about his close control.  Add long shots to his armoury and he will be an exceptional player.

Completely agree Dante, think a few times in the last few weeks he's not wanted to shoot but I bet he's got it in him to score from 15/20 yards, needs to be encouraged to pull the trigger and he could be a top, top player.

For anyone who has seen more of Jack, has he scored a fair few through the age levels? Does he have it in his game or is it something he will look to add?
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 25, 2015, 09:52:21 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v436/EnglishPride2004/0b_zpsll8qrsyj.jpg)
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Mortimer's Bear on April 25, 2015, 10:04:40 PM
I thought he played excellent again today, I just wish he'd unleash a shot or two from the edge of the box.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Jimbo on April 25, 2015, 10:38:31 PM
It's very early days, but I think we have a player on our hands in our Jack. If he were an Arsenal player we'd already have a national holiday dedicated to him.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 25, 2015, 10:54:48 PM
Looked great again today, a great player to watch.
I hope that he is practicing shooting in training because at the moment players drop off him as they're worried about his close control.  Add long shots to his armoury and he will be an exceptional player.

Completely agree Dante, think a few times in the last few weeks he's not wanted to shoot but I bet he's got it in him to score from 15/20 yards, needs to be encouraged to pull the trigger and he could be a top, top player.

For anyone who has seen more of Jack, has he scored a fair few through the age levels? Does he have it in his game or is it something he will look to add?

My worry is, if he had a good shot, he would have used it by now.  That is not a criticism (well I guess it means he is not perfect) but scholes/Hitz would have unleashed a speculative effort by now, Gardner too.  Even at Notts County his goals were skill based rather than power/or simply striking a ball well.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: LukeJames on April 25, 2015, 10:58:17 PM
He did have a wack from 30 yards today but it was blocked.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: onje_villa on April 25, 2015, 11:15:59 PM
Well even if he never scores a goal for us, he's sure to set up a few. Absolutely love watching him play.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Mister E on April 26, 2015, 01:29:59 AM
I observed after the QPR game that he lacks a shot and I put it down to physique and fitness. It's something he needs and we've seen it over the last 3-4 games.
But he ain't bad!
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: KRS on April 26, 2015, 01:36:34 AM
Jack is quality. Great on the ball, always looking for space and to accept a pass when off it. He's got the confidence to beat a man, and give and go even in tight areas. The only thing missing from his game is a goal or at least have a shot...a few times today he cut inside from the left edge of the area, it opened up for him but he looked for the pass instead of the shot at goal. I hope Tim has a word with him to be just a little bit more selfish in and around the box.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: N'ZMAV on April 26, 2015, 08:26:02 AM
he's going to need to add a goal threat. Amazing potential and already showing he's a very intelligent player.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Matt Collins on April 26, 2015, 09:24:05 AM
Once we get gabby back then grealish will come further to the fore

He plays better with better plays because his main asset is his interplay. Similar to nzogbia in some respects
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: JJ-AV on April 26, 2015, 09:37:12 AM
Obviously a fair bit to improve on; he's way too shot-shy for one.

But my word, what a talent. He's probably made less than 10 starts and he's our most exciting player. What a joy to watch.

Really, really looking forward to his first full season next year. Just hope it's in this division!
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Diablo on April 26, 2015, 09:40:01 AM
Jack is quality. Great on the ball, always looking for space and to accept a pass when off it. He's got the confidence to beat a man, and give and go even in tight areas. The only thing missing from his game is a goal or at least have a shot...a few times today he cut inside from the left edge of the area, it opened up for him but he looked for the pass instead of the shot at goal. I hope Tim has a word with him to be just a little bit more selfish in and around the box.



Jack Grealish's first (professional) goal for Notts Co (he finally shoots after beating 4 players)


Hong Kong Soccer Sevens (poor quality recording) but he keeps the ball, stays on his feet despite being fouled and walks the ball into the net



Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 26, 2015, 02:29:34 PM
Yes if he is able to add goals to his immense skills he'll be some player. Right now his vision is amazing and he just needs to fine tune some of those through balls for weight and accuracy. But he's capable given some of the positions he's got into of 7-10 goals a season especially if he plays behind Benteke next season.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Diablo on April 26, 2015, 03:46:36 PM
Yes if he is able to add goals to his immense skills he'll be some player. Right now his vision is amazing and he just needs to fine tune some of those through balls for weight and accuracy. But he's capable given some of the positions he's got into of 7-10 goals a season especially if he plays behind Benteke next season.

7-10 goals would be great. Fingers crossed they'll start coming when he breaks the seal so to speak, hopefully the more he plays the better he'll become (rather than being sussed out/ suffering from 2nd season syndrome). He seems to have forged a good understanding with Delph and Benteke in no time at all. Touch wood Gabby will benefit from playing with Jack on his return from injury.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 26, 2015, 03:50:38 PM
It's the no look passes or that he plays with them knowing their runs after what is it, 4 games starting? Fantastic
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: django on April 26, 2015, 06:34:45 PM
It's the no look passes or that he plays with them knowing their runs after what is it, 4 games starting? Fantastic

It's the confidence that takes, to do that in first team games as a young player, let alone semi finals or crunch survival games, that is so impressive. I saw him in a couple of appearances early in the season, the game against Leyton Orient for example where I just thought he looked like any other of our youth prospects from recent seasons. The last couple of games and he looks like he could easily go on to be better than any of the players I've seen come through since I started going down in 86.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Somniloquism on April 26, 2015, 06:38:43 PM
It's the no look passes or that he plays with them knowing their runs after what is it, 4 games starting? Fantastic

It's the confidence that takes, to do that in first team games as a young player, let alone semi finals or crunch survival games, that is so impressive. I saw him in a couple of appearances early in the season, the game against Leyton Orient for example where I just thought he looked like any other of our youth prospects from recent seasons. The last couple of games and he looks like he could easily go on to be better than any of the players I've seen come through since I started going down in 86.

The trouble is if no one is making the runs, then a player who can do those passes is not going to look that good.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: supertom on April 26, 2015, 09:00:40 PM
It's the no look passes or that he plays with them knowing their runs after what is it, 4 games starting? Fantastic

It's the confidence that takes, to do that in first team games as a young player, let alone semi finals or crunch survival games, that is so impressive. I saw him in a couple of appearances early in the season, the game against Leyton Orient for example where I just thought he looked like any other of our youth prospects from recent seasons. The last couple of games and he looks like he could easily go on to be better than any of the players I've seen come through since I started going down in 86.

The trouble is if no one is making the runs, then a player who can do those passes is not going to look that good.
I think the positive thing at the moment is, players are being encouraged to make those runs from midfield.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Dave Cooper please on April 27, 2015, 12:00:08 AM
Wen he does score it will be some celebration from him, he loves this club.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Matt Collins on April 27, 2015, 06:59:54 AM
I'm a big fan. But having just watched extended highlights of the citeh game which barely featured him, I wonder if we're getting a little over excited just yet? Lovely player to watch, but Wembley apart he's not been involved in too many goals yet? With Sinclair, nzogbia and gabby all options for the Everton game, we do have a few options.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Mister E on April 27, 2015, 07:04:12 AM
I'm a big fan. But having just watched extended highlights of the citeh game which barely featured him, I wonder if we're getting a little over excited just yet? Lovely player to watch, but Wembley apart he's not been involved in too many goals yet? With Sinclair, nzogbia and gabby all options for the Everton game, we do have a few options.
I watched the whole game against Citeh and thought his involvement level satisfactory.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Matt Collins on April 27, 2015, 07:13:57 AM
I wasn't saying he wasn't involved in the game. That for our number 10 there were plenty of other players more involved in goal mouth action. Including nzogbia who was only on the field for about 25 minutes

I'd probably still go with grealish behind benteke and gabby but that does leave Sinclair and nzogbia on the bench - and they've both been dangerous customers in quite a few recent games. Both offering a really direct threat more than jack's subtlety.

A nice choice to have though after feeling so bereft of attacking threat just two months ago.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: frank black on April 27, 2015, 07:15:16 AM
His last two games have been his best so far. It was great to watch the city players drop off a yard as soon as he got the ball.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Exeter 77 on April 27, 2015, 01:13:19 PM
A Welsh/Brummie Red (Manc version) informed me this morning that 'Villa won't hold on to Grealish for long' but seemed most surprised when I pointed out he had just signed a long term contract.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: KRS on April 27, 2015, 01:50:43 PM
I'd like to think that Jack will become one of the few players that stay loyal to the club that he's always supported, so as long as we look after him financially and doesn't get his head turned then he could become a Villa legend.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Matt Collins on April 27, 2015, 04:13:39 PM
I would too. But I bet Everton fans thought the same about rooney.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Nelly on April 27, 2015, 04:42:44 PM
I'd love to see Grealish and Gil playing behind Benteke at some point. Lethal and ting and ting.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: JD on April 28, 2015, 09:44:36 AM
His last two games have been his best so far. It was great to watch the city players drop off a yard as soon as he got the ball.

That's what I noticed. They looked scared of him, that's some endorsement.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on April 28, 2015, 10:40:33 AM
I saw two people with a Grealish haircut yesterday, one was a young girl
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Lee on April 28, 2015, 10:51:12 AM
What a top set of lads these are.. they must all be on the pop!

http://www.waste of paper.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/video-aston-villa-fan-sings-9133065

Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Clampy on April 28, 2015, 03:21:53 PM
What a top set of lads these are.. they must all be on the pop!

http://www.waste of paper.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/video-aston-villa-fan-sings-9133065



I know all them, and yeah they're great lads.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Lee on April 28, 2015, 06:50:35 PM
What a top set of lads these are.. they must all be on the pop!

http://www.waste of paper.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/video-aston-villa-fan-sings-9133065



I know all them, and yeah they're great lads.

Me too mate - some of them for a very long time.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: olaftab on May 03, 2015, 08:52:10 AM
Any way this boy is coming on very well and I am pleased he is developing on a hint of talent he showed many years ago! . Just needs to keep away from Bushwackers.
We should have cruised it tonight. Played much better than v Ajax buy very wasteful in front of goal. Gary G sleep walked most of the match and boys made some poor decisions at crucial times.

How old is Jack Grealish? This boy has  class sort of similar to Brian Little when he won the youth cup for us.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: onje_villa on May 03, 2015, 01:28:15 PM
Probably the most impressive moment from him yesterday is near the final whistle when the ball broke to him and there were a few players around him, he just sort of moved towards the Everton player and bought a foul off him. He's got such a good head on him, knew the team needed a breather and did the right thing.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Chris Jameson on May 03, 2015, 04:05:18 PM
Before his final match of the season my son decided he was going to take inspiration from Jack Grealish and play like him. He scored two and set up three in a 10-0 win.

Be like Grealish has become a catchphrase in our house now. I am more Ivo Stas sadly, as I fell and knackered my foot and ankle yesterday.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 03, 2015, 04:38:10 PM
It's about time our Jack had a shot at goal.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Monty on May 03, 2015, 04:40:04 PM
It's about time our Jack had a shot at goal.

Agreed. I like that his instinct is to pass and go for teamwork - a sort of anti-Zog - but it would be nice if he went for goal a bit more. If he followed up some of his dribbles with shots he'd score some famous goals.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 03, 2015, 04:42:09 PM
He had a shot yesterday! Got deflected for a corner.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Monty on May 03, 2015, 04:43:47 PM
Yep, after a beautiful little turn. He's good at those.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: olaftab on May 03, 2015, 04:47:03 PM
And he put that corner in perfectly but only for Vlaar to mess it up but the Beast was waiting to pounce at the far post to tap it in.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Matt Collins on May 03, 2015, 04:55:33 PM
Set pieces much improved. They were excellent. Could have scored twice

Does need to have more of a killer instinct though. I think that's what aherwood was in about when comparing to andros Townsend. Doing a shimmy till the opponent falls over and then passing back is all well and good. I'd rather he'd take some more pot shots
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: dean saunders left boot on May 03, 2015, 09:00:01 PM
I think he needs to start being a little bit more selfish when he gets towards the goal and start taking a shot or two, was really impressed with him yesterday, hopefully performances like that will boost his confidence more, and that he'll start doing that, hopefully hit the net!
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: UK Redsox on May 03, 2015, 09:18:09 PM
No doubt already posted elsewhere but this deserves a spot ion this thread.

Jack does his best NBA Point Guard impression and puts the defender on his arse

https://vine.co/v/e72263rZ2BF
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: OCD on May 03, 2015, 10:26:14 PM
Set pieces much improved. They were excellent. Could have scored twice

Does need to have more of a killer instinct though. I think that's what aherwood was in about when comparing to andros Townsend. Doing a shimmy till the opponent falls over and then passing back is all well and good. I'd rather he'd take some more pot shots

In games where he's put in some poor corners he was putting in some really good corners early on in those games. If he can learn when to get a shot off and when to pass, he'll be some player. At some point he's got to start looking to add goals to his game.

That was funny when he put the guy on his arse.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Ad@m on May 03, 2015, 10:42:09 PM
Especially as it was that prick McCarthy who'd been leaving his foot in all game on everyone.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Risso on May 03, 2015, 10:42:58 PM
Especially as it was that prick McCarthy who'd been leaving his foot in all game on everyone.

What a fat non-entity of a player that McCarthy is.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Matt Collins on May 03, 2015, 11:09:48 PM
I saw a lot of raving about him after Everton beat Man U

I thought he looked slower than Barry. Delph and grealish pissed all over him
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Villa in Denmark on May 04, 2015, 07:40:54 AM
No doubt already posted elsewhere but this deserves a spot ion this thread.

Jack does his best NBA Point Guard impression and puts the defender on his arse

https://vine.co/v/e72263rZ2BF

That is fantastic, both for the skill and seeing that thug made to look like the gurning chimp he plays like.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: JJ-AV on May 04, 2015, 10:13:49 AM
Is there another angle for the Grealish gif?

I sit in the lower holte and Jack turned round and laughed while looking McCarthy in the face after he puts him on his arse.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 04, 2015, 11:23:51 AM
I saw a lot of raving about him after Everton beat Man U

I thought he looked slower than Barry. Delph and grealish pissed all over him

Good player though, was excellent last season and for spells at Wigan.

If Westwood can continue his excellent form he can be that sort of player for us.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: passitsideways on May 04, 2015, 12:02:37 PM
I think it speaks volumes for our midfield that pretty handy players like Henderson and McCarthy have been made to look utter toss against them.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: supertom on May 04, 2015, 12:09:54 PM
He's also outshone Sterling and David Silva in recent games. Long may it continue.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 04, 2015, 01:01:27 PM
Our midfield really gets into the opponents now, are able to get the ball to attacking players and we have a lot of versatility and depth now off the bench. I can't believe it is the same Villa side to be honest.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Ad@m on May 04, 2015, 04:42:59 PM
Our midfield really gets into the opponents now, are able to get the ball to attacking players and we have a lot of versatility and depth now off the bench. I can't believe it is the same Villa side to be honest.

Yep, I'm genuinely astounded that this is exactly the same group of players that were so terrible under Lambert.

It really does show just how bad he was at getting players to reach their potential.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 04, 2015, 06:36:07 PM
I'm not defending Lambert, he was long past his sell by date, but he did get them playing for a short period.  At the end of his first season.  Westwood was the best example of this, he really looked top six quality.  Delph was Delph-esque and Sylla was playing beyond anything we have seen since.  In many ways the athleticism of that team is similar to this but with Cleverly replacing Sylla.

Fingers crossed Westwood gets back to that level as that could save us a fortune...   
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Matt Collins on May 05, 2015, 06:19:05 AM
I agree this spell is pretty similar to the end of lambert's season. A buccaneering style of play, benteke on fire, loads of goals, midfield three looking great, shit at the back with loads of errors

A big difference this time however is that the quality is a step up. We lost all our games against top six sides in that spell. And under lambert we only ever had success against the best sides playing a reactive, defensive game. That's not the case now
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: dekko on May 05, 2015, 07:25:21 AM
I agree this spell is pretty similar to the end of lambert's season. A buccaneering style of play, benteke on fire, loads of goals, midfield three looking great, shit at the back with loads of errors

A big difference this time however is that the quality is a step up. We lost all our games against top six sides in that spell. And under lambert we only ever had success against the best sides playing a reactive, defensive game. That's not the case now

And on that point, during Lambert's good run, we were winning games becuase we got really really good at counterattacking.  Even against the terrible teams we won because we counterattacked them to death.  We win games now by dominating them basically, and I think that'll be more sustainable.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: UK Redsox on May 05, 2015, 08:40:37 AM
Is there another angle for the Grealish gif?

I sit in the lower holte and Jack turned round and laughed while looking McCarthy in the face after he puts him on his arse.

I saw that from my seat in the LTR. The fact that Jack just casually passes the ball away afterwards makes it that much better.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: olaftab on May 05, 2015, 11:30:31 AM
Yes that nonchalant stroking the ball  back  was so dismissive of Everton players.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: LTA on May 05, 2015, 09:05:13 PM
Just out of interest given the lack of protection Jack got from Clattenberg on Saturday, wasn't Clattenberg the referee when Hull decided to boot him round the pitch in August?
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: LeeB on May 05, 2015, 09:08:05 PM
Just out of interest given the lack of protection Jack got from Clattenberg on Saturday, wasn't Clattenberg the referee when Hull decided to boot him round the pitch in August?

Yes, good spot.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: LTA on May 05, 2015, 09:10:12 PM
Thought so.  Am bloody glad he hasn't been given the cup final on the evidence of this season.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: silhillvilla on May 05, 2015, 09:11:24 PM
I suspect Refs hate him because of his sock style and the fact he isn't playing for Arsenal or a n other Sky Wank - Off Club.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Jimbo on May 05, 2015, 10:36:04 PM
Is there another angle for the Grealish gif?

I sit in the lower holte and Jack turned round and laughed while looking McCarthy in the face after he puts him on his arse.

I saw that from my seat in the LTR. The fact that Jack just casually passes the ball away afterwards makes it that much better.

It was great, but it would have been even better if Jack had curled a shot through the gap created by the vanquished defender and notched a corker.

I will add, if I may, that it looks like Jack might not have much faith in his left peg?
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: jcsutv on May 09, 2015, 11:55:18 PM
Nice bit on MOTD about Jack. Some bits of brilliance today again.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Matt Collins on May 09, 2015, 11:59:45 PM
He's done absolutely fantastically for a 19 yr old and looks so classy. After watching an awful performance from Barkley today I know who i'd rather have. He plays so intelligently in moving for space and receiving it in tight areas

But I didn't think he was motm today and I want to see some more end product in terms of shots and beating a man

Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: tomd2103 on May 10, 2015, 12:12:01 AM
Nice bit on MOTD about Jack. Some bits of brilliance today again.

Yep, but I thought he began to show signs of fatigue in the second half and should have probably been replaced a bit earlier. 
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: tomd2103 on May 10, 2015, 12:17:31 AM
Nice bit on MOTD about Jack. Some bits of brilliance today again.

Double post
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Smirker on May 10, 2015, 01:03:52 AM
A goal before the end of the season would be nice. Great player though, his pass for Gabby at the end was unreal.

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Post by: PaulWinch again on May 10, 2015, 01:47:02 AM
Beautiful crafted assist today. He's going to be a brilliant player.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: OzVilla on May 10, 2015, 02:22:15 AM
If I had one critique it'd be his shooting, he doesn't look like he has one. Does anyone know his golscoring record in the youths and reserves?
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Smirker on May 10, 2015, 04:29:32 AM
http://www.footytube.com/video/villa-354316?ref=art_relvids_list

Jack's pass is at 1:20.

The goal:

(http://c1.thejournal.ie/media/2015/05/cleverley-grealish-gif.gif)
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 10, 2015, 08:17:46 AM
Nice bit on MOTD about Jack. Some bits of brilliance today again.

I would have liked them to highlight that Song was brought on to virtually man mark him.  Song's first action was to foul him and then lent over shouting at him.  The turn which jack did which lead to Song's booking would have also added to the narrative.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: LeeB on May 10, 2015, 10:23:02 AM
He's making quality midfielders look like donkeys in comparison, week after week.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: curiousorange on May 10, 2015, 10:28:54 AM
It's ace to have a player every other team's fans either want or get wound up by.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 10, 2015, 10:32:25 AM
I thought it was brilliant how scared West Ham were of him. See the end of the game where he got the ball inside our half and 4 West Ham players rushed to close him down only for him to play an inch perfect long pass to put Gabby in.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Monty on May 10, 2015, 10:34:11 AM
I thought it was brilliant how scared West Ham were of him. See the end of the game where he got the ball inside our half and 4 West Ham players rushed to close him down only for him to play an inch perfect long pass to put Gabby in.

That was brilliant, and the fluff from Gabby when one-on-one was one of the worst things I've ever seen him do, which is saying something.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 10, 2015, 10:37:41 AM
I thought it was brilliant how scared West Ham were of him. See the end of the game where he got the ball inside our half and 4 West Ham players rushed to close him down only for him to play an inch perfect long pass to put Gabby in.

That was brilliant, and the fluff from Gabby when one-on-one was one of the worst things I've ever seen him do, which is saying something.

To say he was 'caught in two minds' is a compliment.  In less than a second I think he considered lobbing the keeper, blasting it, passing it in, going round the keeper AND taking a dive.  An impressive clusterfuck of striking prowess.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Monty on May 10, 2015, 10:38:17 AM
I thought it was brilliant how scared West Ham were of him. See the end of the game where he got the ball inside our half and 4 West Ham players rushed to close him down only for him to play an inch perfect long pass to put Gabby in.

That was brilliant, and the fluff from Gabby when one-on-one was one of the worst things I've ever seen him do, which is saying something.

To say he was 'caught in two minds' is a compliment.  In less than a second I think he considered lobbing the keeper, blasting it, passing it in, going round the keeper AND taking a dive.  An impressive clusterfuck of striking prowess.

Two minds? Gabby? He was caught in one mind, at best.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: luke95 on May 10, 2015, 10:56:28 AM
A goal before the end of the season would be nice. Great player though, his pass for Gabby at the end was unreal.

He's saving his first goal untill the glorious 30th.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: curiousorange on May 10, 2015, 11:03:44 AM
A goal before the end of the season would be nice. Great player though, his pass for Gabby at the end was unreal.

He's saving his first goal untill the glorious 30th.

We said the same thing leaving. You get the impression that in his head, he won't want it to be a tap-in, more a Maradona-esque skip through the Arsenal backline. A scuffer against Burnley isn't Grealish enough.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Matt Collins on May 10, 2015, 03:25:23 PM
I'm at a bloody wedding on FA cup final day

If grealish scores I'm not gonna be able to hold my shit together
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: Rudy65 on May 10, 2015, 03:51:15 PM
I thought it was brilliant how scared West Ham were of him. See the end of the game where he got the ball inside our half and 4 West Ham players rushed to close him down only for him to play an inch perfect long pass to put Gabby in.

That was brilliant, and the fluff from Gabby when one-on-one was one of the worst things I've ever seen him do, which is saying something.

To say he was 'caught in two minds' is a compliment.  In less than a second I think he considered lobbing the keeper, blasting it, passing it in, going round the keeper AND taking a dive.  An impressive clusterfuck of striking prowess.

The daft thing is that he set him self up onto his left side and then totally miscued. I.e he had done the hard bit and then fluffed the easier part by not even getting the shot on target
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: darren woolley on May 10, 2015, 05:33:17 PM
He seems to be getting better every game he plays which is a good thing.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 10, 2015, 05:52:58 PM
Sid didn't score many that weren't pens. As long as he creates a lot i'll forgive him.
Title: Re: Jack Grealish
Post by: OCD on May 10, 2015, 06:22:40 PM
A goal before the end of the season would be nice. Great player though, his pass for Gabby at the end was unreal.

He's saving his first goal untill the glorious 30th.

We said the same thing leaving. You get the impression that in his head, he won't want it to be a tap-in, more a Maradona-esque skip through the Arsenal backline. A scuffer against Burnley isn't Grealish enough.

See Milosevic vs Leeds in the '96 League Cup final.
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