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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Ron Manager on November 12, 2013, 12:40:22 PM

Title: Alan McCafu
Post by: Ron Manager on November 12, 2013, 12:40:22 PM
Alan Hutton despite turning in some top notch performances for Gordon Strachan appears to be the forgotten man of Villa Park. Considering he has had no first team action his colleagues in the Scotland set up rate him highly. What is going on?. You would think Lambert if he wants him out would let him go back to Spain either on loan again or as a permanent fixture.

But no. I can only assume its financial as Lambert has said in the past 'he trains well'

Im well aware that some of you dont rate him at all but if you can play as he did against a top team like Croatia where he was the best player on the pitch you would think he deserves a second chance to impress the faithfull. Lambert obviously has his favorites (KEA) and chooses to ignore those who in his view cross him, young Carruthers comes to mind  in this respect.

But as the club is short of money it does seem wasteful not to utilise one of the playing staff who has made it clear that he wants to play football at the top level and judging from his international performances of late could do just that.

Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: eastie on November 12, 2013, 12:42:07 PM
We have Lowton and bacuna ahead of him at right back- no room for him here now .
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: pauliewalnuts on November 12, 2013, 12:43:02 PM
I genuinely think he's crap, so totally understand why he's not getting a look in.

I didn't know he played well against Croatia, but having seen him play in the PL for us over a period of time, I don't really want him anywhere near the first team. That might not be the case if he played in a position where we had few options but he doesn't.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: richardhubbard on November 12, 2013, 12:44:18 PM
Is he better than Bacuna -no
Lowton-No
Herd-No

He is not good enough and no one wants to sign him , let him go to Rangers on a free come Jan and move on.

Carruthers getting experience at MK Dons
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: adrenachrome on November 12, 2013, 12:47:21 PM
From The Torygraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/aston-villa/10441555/Barry-Bannan-bemused-by-Alan-Huttons-treatment-at-Aston-Villa.html):

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Barry Bannan bemused by Alan Hutton's treatment at Aston Villa

Former Aston Villa midfielder, now with Crystal Palace, is at a loss as to why his former team-mate has been frozen out by Paul Lambert

 Former Aston Villa midfielder Barry Bannan believes that there are grounds for a 'Hutton Inquiry' at Villa Park into the mystery surrounding the treatment of full-back Alan Hutton, whose last appearance for the Midlands club was 18 months ago.

The 28-year-old has been ostracised by manager Paul Lambert since his arrival in the summer of 2012. Between August and October of last year his only competitive games were for Scotland. He was then sent out on loan, at first to Nottingham Forest and then Real Mallorca.

Villa refused to allow the player to return to Spain this season and he has been forced to train with the club’s youth team. In spite of that, the four appearances Hutton has made for the national team during the current campaign have been hailed by manager Gordon Strachan as the best of his international career.

Bannan, now with Crystal Palace, is at a loss as to why he has been frozen out by Lambert.

“He’s been brilliant,” he said. “I found it tough fitness-wise playing for Scotland when I wasn’t involved with my club.

 “When he’s played, I think his performances have been unbelieveable. I can’t remember the last time he had a club game but his fitness levels have been amazing.”

Stoke City playmaker Charlie Adam, appearing on Sky Sports’ The Fantasy Football Club programme last weekend, named Hutton as one of the best 11 players he has appeared alongside and claimed that he was the best right-back Villa have at their disposal.

“I’d agree [with that assessment] but I don’t know all the ins and outs of what is going on there. I’d say he’s been brilliant with Scotland. It’s mad, really: if you are not involved with your club and you come away here and put in those performances you’d think other clubs would see that.

“I’m amazed he’s not had a move. When we played against England at Wembley in August I thought he was terrific and I was sure someone would have watched that and a move would come off.

“However, it will surely happen for him in January as his form with Scotland has been tremendous.” 

Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: SashasGrandad on November 12, 2013, 12:58:35 PM
Best player in a Scotland team isn't saying much!

Doesn't fit in with our current style - and his attitude must be something to do with it. Also not good for team morale if he is earning more than those who are playing better than him.

He could have gone elsewhere if he had accepted less money - which says a lot for his priorities.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: not3bad on November 12, 2013, 01:03:57 PM
For everyone's sake let's hope his performances for Scotland get him a move in January.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: silhillvilla on November 12, 2013, 01:05:02 PM
Has to be personal between lambert & Hutton.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Ads on November 12, 2013, 01:09:45 PM
Has to be personal between lambert & Hutton.

Why, when there is a mountain of evidence to suggest he is a poor player?
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 12, 2013, 01:14:07 PM
Now, I'm no Columbo, but my guess is that being fucking useless at PL level despite numerous oppotunities to prove otherwise has contributed to his absence. A lawyer for the prosecution could bore the tears out of the jury with video evidence of his continued and repetitive gashness in a Villa shirt, in addition to testimony from wingers who have been molested and abused with the football nowhere in sight.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Quiet Lion on November 12, 2013, 01:17:29 PM
To be fair when I have seen him play for scotland has has look alright. But he has also looked totally shit when playing for us and that is what counts.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Ads on November 12, 2013, 01:19:38 PM
He gave the Pride of the Midlands another excuse (as if they needed ) to come out with more sanctimonious bilge when he hacked Shane Long down, with what was, in fairness, an horrendous tackle.

That is reason enough for him to never play for us again.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: not3bad on November 12, 2013, 01:21:24 PM
Now, I'm no Columbo, but my guess is that being fucking useless at PL level despite numerous oppotunities to prove otherwise has contributed to his absence. A lawyer for the prosecution could bore the tears out of the jury with video evidence of his continued and repetitive gashness in a Villa shirt, in addition to testimony from wingers who have been molested and abused with the football nowhere in sight.

After the videos the next piece of evidence would be his current contract, which is probably the biggest obstacle to a move to Real Mallorca, north of the border or wherever.

There is also this thread:

http://www.heroesandvillains.info/forumv3/index.php?topic=47768.msg2130654#msg2130654
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: OCD on November 12, 2013, 01:24:33 PM
If he's so good, why has nobody of note been willing to take him on? Didn't he turn down a couple of offers in the summer - in which case he's not entirely blameless for his lack of match practice.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 12, 2013, 01:43:09 PM
I don't have an issue with his contract because we offered it and he should get every penny as stomach churning as that is to contemplate. However I'm sure if he really wanted to play he could have negotiated a move away from the club. Same with Given. Hutton's not in a Villa shirt because he's a complete liability and last season was unbearable defensively without running the risk of having to be reduced to 10 men every game.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: supertom on November 12, 2013, 01:56:05 PM
Alan Hutton has been well known as being a player who looks better at international level. Quite how I don't know because generally, tackling is even more stringently controlled at that level, and the guy is a walking leg breaker. He was fucking horrendous for us. It's no exaggeration to say he could have had 3-4 (maybe more) red cards in his season under McLeish. He also got away with a few nailed on penalties which the ref and lino didn't spot. I recall him handling in the box on a number of occasions.
Aside from getting away with it a lot of times, due to some fortune, he still gave away numerous freekicks in dangerous areas (as did Collins and Warnock that year). Honestly that defence that year just gave me nightmares. It was gifted goal always waiting to happen. We'd give away limitless set pieces in good areas and had an innate inability to defend them. Hutton was the worst of the bunch as he was also pretty hopeless going forward.

I'm glad Charlie Adam isn't in charge here if he thinks Hutton is our best right back. As others have said, Lowton, Bacuna and even Herd have more right to play at this level in that position. I'd even play Okore or Donacien head of him.

Wretched player. It was also his wages which were the stumbling block for him to move back to Spain. He also stated earlier in the summer he wouldn't move back to Mallorca despite enjoying himself, because he didn't want to play at that level. But they wouldn't have had the cash in any case. No one from England has wanted him, even at Champ level, where conceivably, many clubs could afford a substantial chunk of his wages (at least in comparison to the sort of Spanish clubs after him).

He'll probably get a move in Jan. It won't be in the Premiership though.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: silhillvilla on November 12, 2013, 02:04:33 PM
Stoke might have him.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Fergal on November 12, 2013, 02:10:40 PM
If he's so good, why has nobody of note been willing to take him on? Didn't he turn down a couple of offers in the summer - in which case he's not entirely blameless for his lack of match practice.
How did we finish up with him in the first place?  Someone must have thought he was worth it, and that is why we are in the state we are in now.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: supertom on November 12, 2013, 02:11:05 PM
Stoke might have him.
I hope so. There had been rumours but they never transpired.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: OCD on November 12, 2013, 02:13:10 PM
If he's so good, why has nobody of note been willing to take him on? Didn't he turn down a couple of offers in the summer - in which case he's not entirely blameless for his lack of match practice.
How did we finish up with him in the first place?  Someone must have thought he was worth it, and that is why we are in the state we are in now.

A chapter in our history that we're still trying to put behind us.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: silhillvilla on November 12, 2013, 02:13:57 PM
If he's so good, why has nobody of note been willing to take him on? Didn't he turn down a couple of offers in the summer - in which case he's not entirely blameless for his lack of match practice.
How did we finish up with him in the first place?  Someone must have thought he was worth it, and that is why we are in the state we are in now.
I said a few months ago Alex mcleish must have cost this club at least £40m in wasted money. Hutton alone will cost about £10m
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 12, 2013, 02:15:14 PM
If he's so good, why has nobody of note been willing to take him on? Didn't he turn down a couple of offers in the summer - in which case he's not entirely blameless for his lack of match practice.
How did we finish up with him in the first place?  Someone must have thought he was worth it, and that is why we are in the state we are in now.

because Luke Young wanted to go home to London and we had TSM as manager who knew him from his Rangers days. Spurs had paid 9m for him quite astonishingly a few years prior. TSM, Hutton and Aston Villa. That could be a chapter unot itself as a sub section when referencing the darker days in our modern history.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 12, 2013, 02:16:59 PM
I don't think he should be playing, but not naming him in our squad of 25 just in case we get an injury crisis seems petty.

I suspect he turned down a move somewhere that would've required a wage drop and Lambert is trying to force him to take an inferior deal elsewhere by making life at Villa unbearable.

Sadly for us, he's contracted till the end of next season.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Damo70 on November 12, 2013, 02:47:04 PM
He looked good at Rangers and was unlucky with injuries at Spurs. But he didn't impress me when he was on loan at Sunderland and to say he didn't impress me in his season with us would be an understatement. I agree with richardhubbard,  I would sooner play Bacuna, Lowton or Herd. I also agree with supertom, he could have had a number of penalties and red cards given against him that he got away with.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: LeeB on November 12, 2013, 02:50:38 PM
I agree with supertom also, I too would play Okore in front of him, even on one leg.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on November 12, 2013, 03:50:18 PM
He went to Spurs on the back of good performances in scotland (not hard) he was shit and IS shit, got frozen out, HE who can't be named brought him for far too much money, was shit, didn't get frozen out because he brought him, new manager came in said you're shit a froze him out, Simple
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: curiousorange on November 12, 2013, 04:11:40 PM
I'm sure everyone has their own nominee, but he's genuinely the worst player i've ever seen in an Aston Villa shirt. Others may have been more frustrating, or not arsed about having the good fortune to play for the club, but Hutton is a player who, in my opinion, has no discernable talent that justifies him having a career as a professional footballer.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 12, 2013, 05:06:41 PM
This is the definition of the word Liability from a non financial sense:

li·a·bil·i·ty  (l-bl-t)
n. pl.li·a·bil·i·ties

1. The state of being liable.

2. Something that holds one back; a handicap.

3. Alan Hutton at Right Back for Aston Villa
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on November 12, 2013, 05:08:05 PM
I'm sure everyone has their own nominee, but he's genuinely the worst player i've ever seen in an Aston Villa shirt. Others may have been more frustrating, or not arsed about having the good fortune to play for the club, but Hutton is a player who, in my opinion, has no discernable talent that justifies him having a career as a professional footballer.

See also Lee Catermole, fucking awful players that have no right to earn what they do
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: eamonn on November 12, 2013, 05:31:38 PM
I think there's a bit of revisionism going on in how dirty everyone says he is. I'm sure there were plenty defending him even at his most reckless (the lunge on Long).

He's clearly got some use, he wouldn't have played for Spurs or even us if he didn't and at times last season I was cursing Lambert's jettison-ing of him and some of the other seniors. He has some nous and decent experience at this level which we lacked chronically last season. We still do a bit but Lowton came on leaps and bounds before his dip in form this season and Ole-Oh!-Leandro has really stepped-up to the plate so Alan (who is probably on more than Bacuna and Lowton combined), if he really wants to play regularly, would be best served forgoing the last six months of his contract in January and joining Leicester or someone.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Richie on November 12, 2013, 05:38:08 PM
This is the definition of the word Liability from a non financial sense:

li·a·bil·i·ty  (l-bl-t)
n. pl.li·a·bil·i·ties

1. The state of being liable.

2. Something that holds one back; a handicap.

3. Alan Hutton at Right Back for Aston Villa

Nice One Toronto !

Let's get the dictionary updated.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Uknowthescore on November 12, 2013, 05:46:27 PM
He's better than Lowton just cos he scored a wonder goal don't make him a good player Hutton should be given a chance
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Clampy on November 12, 2013, 06:06:41 PM
He's better than Lowton just cos he scored a wonder goal don't make him a good player Hutton should be given a chance

He was given a chance, a whole season in fact but he just wasn't good enough.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: N'ZMAV on November 12, 2013, 06:15:08 PM
The only good thing he did was that tackle on Shane Long.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Legion on November 12, 2013, 06:57:21 PM
The only good thing he did was that tackle on Shane Long.

Hardly.

Thuggish pub-player who should have been red-carded for it.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Ads on November 12, 2013, 07:11:47 PM
And the Stripey Filth I know wont shut up about it whenever I refer to Herd being cheated by Olssen.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Ron Manager on November 12, 2013, 07:21:56 PM
It would appear,gentlemen, after carefully studying your erudite replies that you dont like Alan Hutton very much.

Well I didnt like Cammie Fraser very much so the club most thoughtfully transferred him to that club in Small Heath.

Perhaps history will repeat itself!
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Californian Villain on November 12, 2013, 08:47:30 PM
I'm sure everyone has their own nominee, but he's genuinely the worst player i've ever seen in an Aston Villa shirt. Others may have been more frustrating, or not arsed about having the good fortune to play for the club, but Hutton is a player who, in my opinion, has no discernable talent that justifies him having a career as a professional footballer.
Eric Djemba Djemba
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on November 12, 2013, 09:09:19 PM
I am pretty sure if he handed in a transfer request he could have got a move last summer. But he didnt because he doesnt believe in himself enough to take a pay cut and prove himself at a new club.

He is probably frozen out because of appearance fees or some such in his contract.

Hutton is just acting the same way Shay Given is, I find it a bit annoying Hutton gets abuse but Shay doesnt.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 12, 2013, 09:44:18 PM
Terrible player, I thought he would do o.k when we signed him but just garbage.

Talking of WBA games, he also got away with one in the return game when he handled on the line at 0-0. Lose that and I think we'd have gone down tbh.

Says it all that when he was on loan at Forest, McLeish actually cut short his loan and sent him back here!!!
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: TheSandman on November 12, 2013, 10:29:14 PM
Wasn't it not that long ago that he was moaning that we wouldn't let him go as the clubs that approached us for him on loan wouldn't pay enough of his wages for our liking?

I think that such demands might have put paid to getting rid of him, especially as he's not exactly the best player in the world.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Hoppo on November 12, 2013, 10:31:55 PM
I agree Given is a parasite same as Hutton.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: OCD on November 12, 2013, 10:40:48 PM
I am pretty sure if he handed in a transfer request he could have got a move last summer. But he didnt because he doesnt believe in himself enough to take a pay cut and prove himself at a new club.

He is probably frozen out because of appearance fees or some such in his contract.

Hutton is just acting the same way Shay Given is, I find it a bit annoying Hutton gets abuse but Shay doesnt.

I've not seen newspaper articles where Given is moaning about a lack of first team football despite turning down opportunities in the summer.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Des Little on November 12, 2013, 10:43:36 PM
Quite simply, Hutton is gash and is nowhere near good enough for us. That is all.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: olaftab on November 12, 2013, 10:45:09 PM
I agree Given is a parasite same as Hutton.
No they are both Irish. I don't think we have signed any players from Parasiteland.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: adrenachrome on November 13, 2013, 12:44:38 AM
I agree Given is a parasite same as Hutton.
No they are both Irish. I don't think we have signed any players from Parasiteland.

Say what now?
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: ozzjim on November 13, 2013, 01:00:50 AM
He's better than Lowton just cos he scored a wonder goal don't make him a good player Hutton should be given a chance

If he is better than Lowton I am better than Pele at his peak. Lowton, were he Scottish, would be right back for Scotland, not Hutton. Bannan and Adam, his mates, are putting in nice words in the press to keep his spirits up which is lovely, but Mallorca tried to get him back and he asked for too much money. He is a walking donkey and kicks like a mule. Right back for Villa? I would sooner see Guzan there than Hutton. Hutton better than Lowton. Brilliant. And Lowton must have set up 6-7 with great crosses last season, and set up the 2nd at the weekend, created our best chance at West Ham too with his crossing. His form dipped, but he is still a really good footballer. In his best moments Hutton is best off wandering up and down Blackpool beach with a brat on his back.

And Given was actively searching for a move away last summer but understandably did not want to swap our bench for Liverpools bench. I want him out just as much as Hutton, but he is a far different case, and has been thoroughly professional throughout.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: bobdylan on November 13, 2013, 09:26:33 AM
I don't think Bent, Hutton, Given, Ireland etc are much worse than the players playing for us in their positions.  I think the point is their replacements are doing as good a job or better for a fraction of the wages that Hutton etc are on.  If Hutton was on £15k I'd imagine he'd be in and around the squad.  I don't think N'Zogbia is any worse than Tonev but I'd rather perservere with Tonev even if Zog was fit as the guy can do a similar job for a fraction of the cost.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Dave on November 13, 2013, 10:41:46 AM
And Given was actively searching for a move away last summer but understandably did not want to swap our bench for Liverpools bench. I want him out just as much as Hutton, but he is a far different case, and has been thoroughly professional throughout.
I wouldn't say that Hutton has been particularly unprofessional. You never hear stories about him complaining or refusing to train.

He's shit and massively overpaid, but he doesn't seem have been any less professional than Given.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: ROBBO on November 13, 2013, 10:59:35 AM
If you were in Huttons position you would do exactly the same, crap player but i havn't read or heard him bagging Villa.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: saunders_heroes on November 13, 2013, 11:15:16 AM
I agree Given is a parasite same as Hutton.

That's a bit over the top. Hutton just isn't very good and Given was decent for us but is now not in Lambert's plans. I haven't heard either of the ever slag the club off, and in fact they come across as decent people.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 13, 2013, 11:16:24 AM
I agree Given is a parasite same as Hutton.

I wouldn't lump Given in. He could've just sat on the bench at City collecting a few winners medals as backup to Joe Hart but wanted to play.

The problem was the ridiculous 5 year deal we gave out. Even 3 years and he'd have been out the door next summer.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 13, 2013, 11:18:20 AM
I don't think Bent, Hutton, Given, Ireland etc are much worse than the players playing for us in their positions.  I think the point is their replacements are doing as good a job or better for a fraction of the wages that Hutton etc are on.  If Hutton was on £15k I'd imagine he'd be in and around the squad.  I don't think N'Zogbia is any worse than Tonev but I'd rather perservere with Tonev even if Zog was fit as the guy can do a similar job for a fraction of the cost.

yep when Tonev skied that shot into the North stand I did think to myself why at least these players only cost us 2m when they do it rather than the 10m plus 50k a week that N'zog was on.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: eastie on November 13, 2013, 11:28:56 AM
I agree Given is a parasite same as Hutton.

Ridiculous.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: not3bad on November 13, 2013, 11:29:37 AM
I agree Given is a parasite same as Hutton.

No he isn't and neither is Hutton.  Both of them took the contracts that were on offer by Villa, same as anyone would in their position. 
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Concrete John on November 13, 2013, 11:40:08 AM
Yep.  Both players, for different reasons, don't have a future at the club.  They're no more parasites than any player who sings a lucrative contract at any football club.  If either ever plays for us again, I'm sure they'll do so gladly and give their all.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: pauliewalnuts on November 13, 2013, 11:43:14 AM
I agree Given is a parasite same as Hutton.

No he isn't and neither is Hutton.  Both of them took the contracts that were on offer by Villa, same as anyone would in their position. 

Indeed, it is absolute nonsense.

I don't blame them for a nanosecond, if I'd been given a contract like that, I wouldn't consider it in any way wrong for me to see it out. If the club were opting not to use me, that's their shout.

As for Given being a parasite? Does anyone really think Given is the type of player to be lumped into that category? Lambert has even spoken about how great Hutton's attitude has been.

I just don't understand why people aren't satisfied with the fact that they're not playing because the manager doesn't see them as of use in the way he wants to move forward.

Why isn't that enough? Why the need to describe them as parasites or having bad attitude when there is absolutely zero evidence whatsoever that this is the case?


Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: pauliewalnuts on November 13, 2013, 11:46:58 AM
I am pretty sure if he handed in a transfer request he could have got a move last summer. But he didnt because he doesnt believe in himself enough to take a pay cut and prove himself at a new club.

He is probably frozen out because of appearance fees or some such in his contract.

Hutton is just acting the same way Shay Given is, I find it a bit annoying Hutton gets abuse but Shay doesnt.

I've not seen newspaper articles where Given is moaning about a lack of first team football despite turning down opportunities in the summer.

What's wrong with that?

He gets slaughtered by some for picking up the wages quietly, then criticised by others for saying he wants to get first team football somewhere.

As for him turning down opportunities, from what was said at the time, that was about money and the teams concerned not being able to afford his wages. You can't expect him to just toddle off regardless and play for free.

The fact is, we gave Hutton a big deal, and we gave Given what is almost certainly a much bigger deal for five years. If anyone needs criticising for this, it is the people who signed them (more so Hutton) in the first place, and those that gave such big deals - Given's five years, for example.

The last people worthy of blame for that are Hutton and Given.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 13, 2013, 12:22:36 PM
I'm surprised why clubs still give big contract lengths out bar obviously outstanding young talent or your best player like Benteke.

For average mediocre players for which there are many in this league I wouldn't consider giving anything above 3 years and no one over 30 would get anymore than two year extensions so would stop another Habib Beye type deal.

I know there is complexity with this (pretty sure we gave Given the long deal to cover the wages he was getting at City0 but given how little job security there is for a manager these days it seems stange as a manager will get sacked and another will come in and wisely not fancy Hutton or Given as Lambert has done.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: richardhubbard on November 13, 2013, 12:52:33 PM
I agree Given is a parasite same as Hutton.

So you get a contract offered by a club , and every body agrees said contract. How fuck is given and hutton a parasite, NO as they never refused to play!!!

More like Villa/Mcleish and Faulkner being desperate and commercially naive.

If someone doubled your wages would you say no? on ethical and moral grounds if you knew your were being over paid


Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: silhillvilla on November 13, 2013, 01:22:00 PM
Blame mcleish for signing these two players and giving them ridiculous money. Fucking idiot .
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: LeeB on November 13, 2013, 01:30:08 PM
Blame mcleish for signing these two players and giving them ridiculous money. Fucking idiot .

Amen.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: OCD on November 13, 2013, 01:37:55 PM
I am pretty sure if he handed in a transfer request he could have got a move last summer. But he didnt because he doesnt believe in himself enough to take a pay cut and prove himself at a new club.

He is probably frozen out because of appearance fees or some such in his contract.

Hutton is just acting the same way Shay Given is, I find it a bit annoying Hutton gets abuse but Shay doesnt.

I've not seen newspaper articles where Given is moaning about a lack of first team football despite turning down opportunities in the summer.

What's wrong with that?

Nothing. The point is that I have seen Hutton quotes where he moans about not getting first team football. Given's been nothing but a total professional and doesn't deserve the label of 'parasite'. It's a harsh tag on Hutton too but I don't see how one minute he can turn down a move to somewhere where he would get first team football and then moan to the media about a lack of first team opportunities. Basically he had a choice - regular football or money. He chose money, which is fair enough but he shouldn't then moan about regular football having turned that down. 

Someone else in the same position (and Given has done just this) would take a pay cut to get regular football. In my mind that's the sensible thing to do because they can rebuild their career and potentially get a move in future where they will be back on good pay but getting regular football again.

It's also worth noting that had he joined Mallorca, he would have still been on best part of a million a year. It's not like he would have been slumming it.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: DrGonzo on November 13, 2013, 01:50:15 PM
You can tell it's the international break, can't you?  We've resorted to discussing Alex "Gds save us" McClueless and Alan "chopper" Hutton.  Bring on the Baggies!
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: eastie on November 13, 2013, 02:05:14 PM
You can tell it's the international break, can't you?  We've resorted to discussing Alex "Gds save us" McClueless and Alan "chopper" Hutton.  Bring on the Baggies!

Was thinking  similar - quietest couple of days I've known on here in a long time - depressing :(
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on November 13, 2013, 02:07:46 PM
We can't cut players like NFL teams :( as contract have to be honoured. But you can't blame the players who sign the contract as long they give it all on training ground and behave themselves.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on November 13, 2013, 02:26:33 PM
I love the villa, but offer me 30k plus a week to do fuck all and I'll take it. Depends what you want.

Given has retired from the international game, so doesn't need to prove himself. Hutton gets played at RB regardless because Scotland are shit, so no need to prove himself. Chill out on 3 times the wage at their age? Will do.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Ron Manager on November 13, 2013, 03:17:49 PM
Gentlemen you may have observed in this mornings rags that Mr Roberto De Matteo (the noted manager) is trousering something like £130,000 a week from Chelsea for doing nothing. At least Hutton and Given are training as per their contract!
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: OCD on November 13, 2013, 03:31:46 PM
We can't cut players like NFL teams :( as contract have to be honoured. But you can't blame the players who sign the contract as long they give it all on training ground and behave themselves.


I imagine the Miami Dolphins are wishing they could cut Richie Incognito right now.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: DrGonzo on November 13, 2013, 05:16:22 PM
Gentlemen. You may have observed in this mornings rags that Mr Roberto De Matteo (the noted manager) is trousering something like £130,000 a week from Chelsea for doing nothing. At least Hutton and Given are training as per their contract!

Well who broke that contract?  Did Di Matteo walk out on Chelski??  Not sure of the validity of that.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 13, 2013, 05:56:07 PM
We can't cut players like NFL teams :( as contract have to be honoured. But you can't blame the players who sign the contract as long they give it all on training ground and behave themselves.


I imagine the Miami Dolphins are wishing they could cut Richie Incognito right now.

They can if they want. They'll have paid him his signing bonus and they'll still be hit under the cap for the value of the contract. But they can release him without any further repercussion under collective bargaining agreement. We could do the same with Hutton just that we'd still be paying for his wages.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: TheSandman on November 13, 2013, 07:45:49 PM
It's also worth noting that had he joined Mallorca, he would have still been on best part of a million a year. It's not like he would have been slumming it.

Really? I'd eat my hat if players in the Spanish Second Division got that much money. Half that at best, more likely a quarter. Luna probably gets around a million per year from us which would most likely be a rise on what he got from Mallorca when they were still in the top division. So he'd be looking at going from £1.5-2million per year to over a million less.

What some revisionists forget is that we also turned down moves for him, hence his unhappiness at not playing. He gets damned for turning down one move early on in the summer when he thinks he might get a better opportunity (and that's if the move wasn't paper talk) whereas the club turned down three approaches on deadline day.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: olaftab on November 13, 2013, 09:17:34 PM
Blame mcleish for signing these two players and giving them ridiculous money. Fucking idiot .
Our default position.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: pauliewalnuts on November 13, 2013, 10:16:36 PM
I am pretty sure if he handed in a transfer request he could have got a move last summer. But he didnt because he doesnt believe in himself enough to take a pay cut and prove himself at a new club.

He is probably frozen out because of appearance fees or some such in his contract.

Hutton is just acting the same way Shay Given is, I find it a bit annoying Hutton gets abuse but Shay doesnt.

I've not seen newspaper articles where Given is moaning about a lack of first team football despite turning down opportunities in the summer.

What's wrong with that?

Nothing. The point is that I have seen Hutton quotes where he moans about not getting first team football. Given's been nothing but a total professional and doesn't deserve the label of 'parasite'. It's a harsh tag on Hutton too but I don't see how one minute he can turn down a move to somewhere where he would get first team football and then moan to the media about a lack of first team opportunities. Basically he had a choice - regular football or money. He chose money, which is fair enough but he shouldn't then moan about regular football having turned that down. 

Someone else in the same position (and Given has done just this) would take a pay cut to get regular football. In my mind that's the sensible thing to do because they can rebuild their career and potentially get a move in future where they will be back on good pay but getting regular football again.

It's also worth noting that had he joined Mallorca, he would have still been on best part of a million a year. It's not like he would have been slumming it.

You're basing all that on things we don't know. We don't know who made offers, we don't know how much they offered, we don't know how much of a pay cut it would have meant for Hutton, we also don't know if the loan fell through because we wanted too high a loan fee.

I don't see how anyone can decide from a situation like that that Hutton chose money over football.

And how come Given escapes such harsh treatment? He might have talked about taking a pay cut to get football, but he's still here, too, so when it came down to it, he stayed. Why don't the same assumptions that were made about Hutton in damning him get made about Given, too?

People forget, it's not just a case of "Hey, Shay (or Alan), Club X have offered to take you, but they're going to pay you 10k a week instead of 50k". It's also a case of a loan fee, of other fees which will be due to the player and his agent, no doubt, lots of things will have to be sorted out, and they're not all in the control of the player.

If anyone is to blame for this situation, it is the club, and specifically the people at the club who doled out such lavish contracts in the first place. It's all well and good blaming players for being money-grabbers and what not, but we have a legal, contractual obligation to pay them that money. We shouldn't have told a 37 year old keeper we'd pay him 65k a week until he was 42 in the first place, then we wouldn't have this problem.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: peter w on November 13, 2013, 10:28:13 PM
Why is it our bomb squad can't engineer moves whilst on international duty?
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Simon Ward on November 14, 2013, 10:07:03 AM
Why is it our bomb squad can't engineer moves whilst on international duty?

I think we know the answer to that one Peter!
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Ron Manager on November 14, 2013, 11:04:10 AM
I am pretty sure if he handed in a transfer request he could have got a move last summer. But he didnt because he doesnt believe in himself enough to take a pay cut and prove himself at a new club.

He is probably frozen out because of appearance fees or some such in his contract.

Hutton is just acting the same way Shay Given is, I find it a bit annoying Hutton gets abuse but Shay doesnt.

I've not seen newspaper articles where Given is moaning about a lack of first team football despite turning down opportunities in the summer.

What's wrong with that?

Nothing. The point is that I have seen Hutton quotes where he moans about not getting first team football. Given's been nothing but a total professional and doesn't deserve the label of 'parasite'. It's a harsh tag on Hutton too but I don't see how one minute he can turn down a move to somewhere where he would get first team football and then moan to the media about a lack of first team opportunities. Basically he had a choice - regular football or money. He chose money, which is fair enough but he shouldn't then moan about regular football having turned that down. 

Someone else in the same position (and Given has done just this) would take a pay cut to get regular football. In my mind that's the sensible thing to do because they can rebuild their career and potentially get a move in future where they will be back on good pay but getting regular football again.

It's also worth noting that had he joined Mallorca, he would have still been on best part of a million a year. It's not like he would have been slumming it.

You're basing all that on things we don't know. We don't know who made offers, we don't know how much they offered, we don't know how much of a pay cut it would have meant for Hutton, we also don't know if the loan fell through because we wanted too high a loan fee.

I don't see how anyone can decide from a situation like that that Hutton chose money over football.

And how come Given escapes such harsh treatment? He might have talked about taking a pay cut to get football, but he's still here, too, so when it came down to it, he stayed. Why don't the same assumptions that were made about Hutton in damning him get made about Given, too?

People forget, it's not just a case of "Hey, Shay (or Alan), Club X have offered to take you, but they're going to pay you 10k a week instead of 50k". It's also a case of a loan fee, of other fees which will be due to the player and his agent, no doubt, lots of things will have to be sorted out, and they're not all in the control of the player.

If anyone is to blame for this situation, it is the club, and specifically the people at the club who doled out such lavish contracts in the first place. It's all well and good blaming players for being money-grabbers and what not, but we have a legal, contractual obligation to pay them that money. We shouldn't have told a 37 year old keeper we'd pay him 65k a week until he was 42 in the first place, then we wouldn't have this problem.

That last sentence sums this situation up perfectly. Thinking about it paying any player at the age of 42  £65,000 a week seems in the realms of fantasy. Who was responsible for this ludicrous situation. Well it wasnt MON. It was the bloke who authorised it Mr R.Lerner.
He is the chairman who followed Doug.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Dave Clark Five on November 25, 2013, 11:38:55 PM
Could have done with Alan Hutton tonight.
It was no time for pussy-footing about. Hard tackles were needed.
What is the game coming to when so many moan about players who tackle hard, even if they foul occasionally?
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: myf on November 25, 2013, 11:47:02 PM
we could never do with Hutton in my view. one of the worst players I've ever seen in c&b. skinned over and over again by all and sundry
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Dave Clark Five on November 26, 2013, 12:10:15 AM
we could never do with Hutton in my view. one of the worst players I've ever seen in c&b. skinned over and over again by all and sundry
We would not have been 2-0 down tonight if Hutton had been playing.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: supertom on November 26, 2013, 12:16:58 AM
we could never do with Hutton in my view. one of the worst players I've ever seen in c&b. skinned over and over again by all and sundry
We would not have been 2-0 down tonight if Hutton had been playing.
We probably would have. And down to 10 men. And he'd have conceded a penalty. He might have broken Shane Longs legs, shortly after he put the Baggies 4-0 up, which would have been some consolation...
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Dave Clark Five on November 26, 2013, 12:21:22 AM
Did we ever hear Chelsea fans moaning about Ron Harris?
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: ozzjim on November 26, 2013, 12:40:11 AM
Could have done with Alan Hutton tonight.
It was no time for pussy-footing about. Hard tackles were needed.
What is the game coming to when so many moan about players who tackle hard, even if they foul occasionally?

He would have helped us when we were losing that game to our local rivals 5-0 tonight, he would have made all the difference.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: pauliewalnuts on November 26, 2013, 12:41:07 AM
Did we ever hear Chelsea fans moaning about Ron Harris?

40 years ago.

The game has changed hugely.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 26, 2013, 02:17:23 AM
can any one say that they would do much different, the fault is with the club, they entered into these contracts willingly.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: JUAN PABLO on November 26, 2013, 02:46:55 AM
Hutton dont bother me , its the prat that signed him and the owner that sanctioned it that bothers me .
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 10, 2014, 09:42:21 AM
I wonder if we'll manage to sell Hutton this window....
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 11, 2014, 10:11:35 AM
That last sentence sums this situation up perfectly. Thinking about it paying any player at the age of 42  £65,000 a week seems in the realms of fantasy. Who was responsible for this ludicrous situation. Well it wasnt MON. It was the bloke who authorised it Mr R.Lerner.
He is the chairman who followed Doug.

You can imagine Randy's shock when Lambert came in, "So you don't HAVE to pay all footballers a minimum of $40,000 a week.  Jeeze, why didn't anyone tell me!?"
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: class_of_82 on January 11, 2014, 01:49:36 PM
World class full back seen at villa park oh sorry it was Hutton dressed as lam
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Dribbler on January 11, 2014, 08:12:40 PM
World class full back seen at villa park oh sorry it was Hutton dressed as lam

I had to give that joke a groan of appreciation, it's so bad it's good!
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Rudy65 on January 13, 2014, 09:16:47 PM
World class full back seen at villa park oh sorry it was Hutton dressed as lam

I had to give that joke a groan of appreciation, it's so bad it's good!

Cant be any worse than lowton
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Ross on January 13, 2014, 09:20:08 PM
World class full back seen at villa park oh sorry it was Hutton dressed as lam

I had to give that joke a groan of appreciation, it's so bad it's good!

Cant be any worse than lowton

I agree. A nasty bastard too. If we can't compete in this league, at least kick them.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: myf on January 13, 2014, 09:24:53 PM
yes he can. he can't even get close enough to wingers to kick them. truly shite and not the answer
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Ross on January 13, 2014, 09:28:07 PM
yes he can. he can't even get close enough to wingers to kick them. truly shite and not the answer

Are we talking about Hutton or Lowton?  Or Bacuna?
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: myf on January 13, 2014, 09:55:04 PM
Hutton. plus lowton can cross the ball
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Rudy65 on January 13, 2014, 10:13:21 PM
World class full back seen at villa park oh sorry it was Hutton dressed as lam

I had to give that joke a groan of appreciation, it's so bad it's good!

Cant be any worse than lowton

Take it back. Hutton could never have made the cross for Bentekes goal
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Ross on January 13, 2014, 10:27:04 PM
Lowton can cross a ball. Still doesn't forgive his defensive frailties. The worst assembly of full backs I've ever seen this lot.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Dave Clark Five on January 13, 2014, 10:51:19 PM
Lowton is a carthorse of a player.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: aj2k77 on January 13, 2014, 11:44:22 PM
Lowton is a carthorse of a player.

Is the correct answer.

Positionally appalling.
Doesn't work hard enough to stop crosses coming in.
Lacks concentration.

When does the next clown fullback who can't defend come in ?
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: dcdavecollett on January 15, 2014, 05:04:42 PM
For all his defensive inadequacies to describe Lowton as a carthorse is ridiculous.

see various runs and crosses for goals since he joined us for proof.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 15, 2014, 05:06:29 PM
put Lowton right wing , hes no good as FB
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: achilles on January 15, 2014, 05:34:44 PM
put Lowton right wing , hes no good as FB

Seems a sensible suggestion, so it won't happen!
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 15, 2014, 08:00:06 PM
That would mean Bacuna at RB....
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Ad@m on February 21, 2014, 06:54:38 AM
Apparently it's all about the money...

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/aston-villas-alan-hutton-wont-3166643
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: eastie on February 21, 2014, 07:04:00 AM
Apparently it's all about the money...

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/aston-villas-alan-hutton-wont-3166643

We are still paying him anyway while he is here .
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Ad@m on February 21, 2014, 07:06:40 AM
I know, and I've been saying all along since Lambert arrived that you're surely more likely to sell players if you're playing them.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on February 21, 2014, 07:07:00 AM
Apparently it's all about the money...

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/aston-villas-alan-hutton-wont-3166643

Both Hutton & Given prefer to take the money rather than put in a transfer request and we were stupid to give them the deals we did. Thanks Faulkner/McCleish.

Sad all around.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: AlwaysAVFC on February 21, 2014, 07:32:39 AM
Its a crazy story what ever way you look at it. At the very least Lambert must not rate him, ok he's on 40k a week even if he unlikely got a 10k appearance fee, is it the best financial option to still pay him his 40k and another player his wages (forgetting whether Hutton is good enough or not)? I suppose maybe his contract included a big rise after a certain number of games or time, which again is mad. Or it is bollocks and something has happened and this is a poor final pitch to try and make him more appealing to someone else.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Mister E on February 21, 2014, 07:59:07 AM
According to that article, Lambert does rate him! Crazy situation; Hutton has never been so bad that he couldn't have done a job for us in a defence crying out for experience.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: sid1964 on February 21, 2014, 08:44:56 AM
I should imagine of that 40k a week a proportion of that is appearance fees -  it amazes me that Hutton still gets picked for Scotland, the other right backs that are Scottish must be really crap.

Also the same for Given another waste of weekly wages

We are in a real mess, we need these players gone in the Summer otherwise we will still be in the same situation this time next season!
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Ads on February 21, 2014, 08:52:57 AM
No wonder the modern game is so crap when garbage like Hutton earn £40,000 per week.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on February 21, 2014, 08:57:41 AM
Yet another reason for detesting the modern game - someone getting paid £40k per week for doing sweet FA . I would hazard a guess that the amount is more than most, posting on here, earn in a year. Its madness and makes no sense whatsoever. Doesn`t paint much of a picture of Lerner being an astute businessman.
Still, Hutton is just another dud in a whole catalogue of poor signings over the years - I suppose all clubs suffer the same fate - it just seems like we make more gaffes than most  .... Curcic, Balaban for example, 
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Duncan Shaw on February 21, 2014, 09:12:22 AM
For that to be the only reason, then surely some of the reported figure must be a appearance fee, or he is about to trigger a (50 apperances?) pay increase.  I know he is a poor player, but there are times this season where if Lambert did rate him surely he would have given him a go, it's just a baffling consequence of modern football.
Thing is, him, Given and Bent could all still be with us next year if they don't move them out in the summer, and let's face it, Bent hasn't put himself in the shop window has he, so we will be no netter off then.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Ads on February 21, 2014, 09:14:14 AM
Lambert doesn't rate him, hence why he hasn't played him in two years. He is just having one final go at flogging him.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: SoccerHQ on February 21, 2014, 10:23:13 AM
For that to be the only reason, then surely some of the reported figure must be a appearance fee, or he is about to trigger a (50 apperances?) pay increase.  I know he is a poor player, but there are times this season where if Lambert did rate him surely he would have given him a go, it's just a baffling consequence of modern football.
Thing is, him, Given and Bent could all still be with us next year if they don't move them out in the summer, and let's face it, Bent hasn't put himself in the shop window has he, so we will be no netter off then.

I think you're not far off with that 50 appearences theory Duncan. I remember we froze Curtis Davies out when he was I think a game off getting a new contract.

I thought Hutton was garbage but still seemed bizarre to me he was totally frozen out when the likes of Bent, Given, CNZ and Ireland were all still part of the 18 regularly last season.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Duncan Shaw on February 21, 2014, 10:34:46 AM
He's on 38 according to wiki, so maybe a 40 trigger?
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: supertom on February 21, 2014, 11:00:33 AM
I think Lambert also knows full well why no one has come in for Hutton. No one else will be foolish enough to match what we're paying and Hutton, unsurprisingly, won't take a big cut in his income. If it means sitting on his arse for another year, he'll do it. Absolutely crazy money for a player as limited. I don't think he's that bad that he wouldn't have improved on Lowton at times this season, but certainly there's no way he'd have been any sort of reasonable answer to problems at right back.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Clampy on February 21, 2014, 11:29:44 AM
I'm not sure Lambert would have played him even if he wasn't earning a fortune. He obviously dose'nt rate the guy which is fair enough.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: manic-road on February 21, 2014, 12:11:28 PM
The thing that worries me about this story is that they are still saying that he needs to come off the wage bill as they are looking to decrease the wage bill further. When does it stop?
We have sold plenty of decent players (four England midfielders) in the last few of years, the TV money has increased, we have got rid of high earners such as Ireland, Bent on loan as well as others.

If the hierarchy at the club are only interested in cutting costs, this will reflect on the type of quality player that PL will be able to bring to the club and season after season of survival battles will entail.

I would like Randy to make a public statement and tell us fans what his plans are for the club.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 21, 2014, 12:31:35 PM
Nothing will convince me that the best way to move on players you don't want any more is to ostracise them and make them train with the under 12s.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 21, 2014, 12:36:52 PM
re the wage bill, I genuinely do think a few people are being over optimistic if they think once Hutton is gone we're going to go on a wages spree again.

It's clearly an issue still.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Dave Clark Five on February 21, 2014, 12:45:16 PM
Nothing will convince me that the best way to move on players you don't want any more is to ostracise them and make them train with the under 12s.


I agree. The article in the Mail is typical mumbo jumbo. Why does Lambert have to speak in riddles? 'Nothing to do with football', then why not play him? There have been numerous occasions that he could have played, despite Hutton being scapegoat no.1, even to people who have probably never seen him play.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 21, 2014, 12:50:13 PM
Nothing will convince me that the best way to move on players you don't want any more is to ostracise them and make them train with the under 12s.


I agree. The article in the Mail is typical mumbo jumbo. Why does Lambert have to speak in riddles? 'Nothing to do with football', then why not play him? There have been numerous occasions that he could have played, despite Hutton being scapegoat no.1, even to people who have probably never seen him play.

Don't get me wrong, I think he's a poor player, I really do.

However, given that our only other non-out-of-position option there until just lately, Lowton, was also pretty poor for much of the time, and given we've spent the last 18 months or however long we've been pretending Hutton doesn't exist, paying him 40k a week anyway, perhaps it might have made sense to include him in the squad?
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: sid1964 on February 21, 2014, 12:57:58 PM
I think all this proves that we wont be going after players who command large weekly salaries for the considerable future
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: sid1964 on February 21, 2014, 01:02:04 PM
Maybe Hutton only gets his £40k a week when he is playing for the 1st team

I remember listening to a  football agent who said that players only got there full salaries if they are in 1st team etc....
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: brontebilly on February 21, 2014, 01:18:13 PM
Nothing will convince me that the best way to move on players you don't want any more is to ostracise them and make them train with the under 12s.


I agree. The article in the Mail is typical mumbo jumbo. Why does Lambert have to speak in riddles? 'Nothing to do with football', then why not play him? There have been numerous occasions that he could have played, despite Hutton being scapegoat no.1, even to people who have probably never seen him play.

Don't get me wrong, I think he's a poor player, I really do.

However, given that our only other non-out-of-position option there until just lately, Lowton, was also pretty poor for much of the time, and given we've spent the last 18 months or however long we've been pretending Hutton doesn't exist, paying him 40k a week anyway, perhaps it might have made sense to include him in the squad?

agreed 100%. self defeating not including him. If he came in and played well in a few games, someone might take a punt on him. He couldnt have been any worse than the likes of Lowton, Bacuna and Luna this season anyway.

Hutton is a strange one though. Remember his weight ballooning at times at Spurs, where he mixed runs of good form with horrible form. Had a decent loan spell at Sunderland a few years back aswell. His first season he was shite for us but if he cut out his thuggish behaviour that he displayed with us, never really saw it in him elsewhere, he should be at least a competent option at right back.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Ads on February 21, 2014, 01:24:03 PM
re the wage bill, I genuinely do think a few people are being over optimistic if they think once Hutton is gone we're going to go on a wages spree again.

It's clearly an issue still.

I am probably telling you what you already know, but if you get shot of Bent, Given and Hutton and free up £150k per week in wages, then you do at least give yourself the chance to get four or five good players in, which would make the world of difference.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Ad@m on February 21, 2014, 01:54:25 PM
I think all this proves that we wont be going after players who command large weekly salaries for the considerable future


I don't think it does.  At most it proves we're unlikely to be offering massive wages to shit right backs in the foreseeable future.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: martin o`who?? on February 21, 2014, 02:00:19 PM
Yet another reason for detesting the modern game - someone getting paid £40k per week for doing sweet FA . I would hazard a guess that the amount is more than most, posting on here, earn in a year. Its madness and makes no sense whatsoever. Doesn`t paint much of a picture of Lerner being an astute businessman.
Still, Hutton is just another dud in a whole catalogue of poor signings over the years - I suppose all clubs suffer the same fate - it just seems like we make more gaffes than most  .... Curcic, Balaban for example,
If only the list was that short....
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: rob_bridge on February 21, 2014, 02:10:45 PM
Yet another reason for detesting the modern game - someone getting paid £40k per week for doing sweet FA . I would hazard a guess that the amount is more than most, posting on here, earn in a year. Its madness and makes no sense whatsoever. Doesn`t paint much of a picture of Lerner being an astute businessman.
Still, Hutton is just another dud in a whole catalogue of poor signings over the years - I suppose all clubs suffer the same fate - it just seems like we make more gaffes than most  .... Curcic, Balaban for example,
If only the list was that short....

Cascorino was on a fortune at the time. Collymore. Beye. Cuellar. Baros. Heskey. Luke Young. Shorey. Makoun. CNZ.

The waste is astonishing.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Drummond on February 21, 2014, 02:16:00 PM
Hutton was a liability every time he played for us, a 'tackle' away from a sending off every game. Plus, what's the point in playing him when clearly there is no future? Lowton has shown he can play well, at times last season he was our best player and clearly has a lot of ability.

Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Jon Crofts on February 21, 2014, 02:19:47 PM
As others have said, Hutton is a liability, most of his tackles look more like common assault, horrible one dimensional footballer.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: rob_bridge on February 21, 2014, 02:57:34 PM
As others have said, Hutton is a liability, most of his tackles look more like common assault, horrible one dimensional footballer.

Agree he wass utterly shite for us despite being good at Rangers and not bad at Spuds either.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: KevinGage on February 21, 2014, 03:05:53 PM
Maybe Hutton only gets his £40k a week when he is playing for the 1st team

I remember listening to a  football agent who said that players only got there full salaries if they are in 1st team etc....

That's possibly it.  Didn't Hutton have fitness and, ahem, liftestyle issues at Tottingham?

Maybe a big percentage of his wage is dictated by actual games played. 
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: OCD on February 21, 2014, 05:07:18 PM
As others have said, Hutton is a liability, most of his tackles look more like common assault, horrible one dimensional footballer.


Even that's being kind. If he's one dimensional, I'm not sure what the dimension is and 'footballer' is stretching it too.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Matt C on February 21, 2014, 05:49:08 PM
I'm still not sure if he's being isolated in such a way because Lambert has been asked to do so or he has chosen to do so.

Either way I think part of the manager job is to extract maximum from the resources at your disposal and the Bomb Squad is a major failing in that sense.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Rigadon on February 21, 2014, 06:47:14 PM
I find it particularly depressing of we aren't playing players because it might cost a few grand more.  Bonuses based on appearances wouldn't be all that much percentage of overall salary wise surely?  Hutton isn't a good player, but at times Lowton has been shite and other times 'shakey' at best.  And I don't mean the welsh Elvis. 
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: FrankyH on February 21, 2014, 07:24:02 PM
In few years time my recollection of Hutton will be stupid bookings the odd sending off and getting away with that penalty/handball ? Albion away-which would have sent us down if given.I wont remember anything about his footballing ability, despite what Bannan,Strachan and Adams say.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: john e on February 21, 2014, 07:37:23 PM
If wages are still going to be an issue where does this leave Delph

If he left because we wouldn't pay him what he's on now I think I'd go and boil my head in oil
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Ad@m on February 21, 2014, 07:40:41 PM
In few years time my recollection of Hutton will be stupid bookings the odd sending off and getting away with that penalty/handball ?

It really will be the odd sending off given he only got sent off once for us and that was for two yellows.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: danno on February 21, 2014, 07:55:19 PM
He's not playing solely because of his wages, he's not playing because we want him to leave.

Is Paul Lambert saying we want him to go because of his wages?
I think that's certainly nicer than telling the press he's not picking him because he's a liability.

I understand wanting to be pragmatic and manage our resources effectively, but if we want to shift
Given Hutton etc, then paying them their full salaries and picking them in the first team won't exactly
 encourage them to get on the phone to their agents.

Its exactly the same at other clubs too, Stuart Pearce was frozen out at Newcastle under Gullit,
likewise Adebayor, Santa Cruz Bridge and Bellamy were treated in a similar fashion at Man City.
Its about making the players life at the club as uncomfortable as possible so they bugger off.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Dave Clark Five on February 21, 2014, 08:00:47 PM
I'm still not sure if he's being isolated in such a way because Lambert has been asked to do so or he has chosen to do so.

Either way I think part of the manager job is to extract maximum from the resources at your disposal and the Bomb Squad is a major failing in that sense.

Yes. You have given a good definition of the role of a manager. Bullshitting the fans is not on the job desciption.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: FrankyH on February 21, 2014, 08:07:14 PM
In few years time my recollection of Hutton will be stupid bookings the odd sending off and getting away with that penalty/handball ?

It really will be the odd sending off given he only got sent off once for us and that was for two yellows.

That would have been the Spurs home game. I thought he was sent off a few more times for us, probably because I expected it every time he wore a Villa shirt
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: ktvillan on February 21, 2014, 08:22:41 PM
Wasn't he sent off against Arsenal home over the Christmas period a couple of years ago?
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on February 21, 2014, 08:40:23 PM
It makes no sense unless it's an appearance fee? To say it's a wage issue makes no sense to me, I sincerely hope he can find another club in the summer or its another season at £40k a week, it's a disgrace really that he was paid that much to start with
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on February 21, 2014, 08:41:09 PM
Wasn't he sent off against Arsenal home over the Christmas period a couple of years ago?

Yeah I think he was, was that in the 2-1 when Albrighton scored?
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 21, 2014, 09:06:53 PM
Hutton was a liability every time he played for us, a 'tackle' away from a sending off every game. Plus, what's the point in playing him when clearly there is no future? Lowton has shown he can play well, at times last season he was our best player and clearly has a lot of ability.



I don't think he should have been played. I do think he shouldn't have been so clearly ostracised, not if we wanted to sell him.

Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Ad@m on February 21, 2014, 09:11:42 PM
In few years time my recollection of Hutton will be stupid bookings the odd sending off and getting away with that penalty/handball ?

It really will be the odd sending off given he only got sent off once for us and that was for two yellows.

That would have been the Spurs home game. I thought he was sent off a few more times for us, probably because I expected it every time he wore a Villa shirt

Pretty sure he didn't get sent off against Spurs. Arsenal was his sole sending off.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: SoccerHQ on February 21, 2014, 10:44:25 PM
Danny Rose was sent off in the Spurs game for clattering two footed into Hutton so that might be where the confusion comes from.

He really should've been sent off in both Albion games tbh.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 21, 2014, 10:57:51 PM
If wages are still going to be an issue where does this leave Delph

If he left because we wouldn't pay him what he's on now I think I'd go and boil my head in oil

Bizarrely, as I was sat on the bog this morning having just crawled out of bed, I found myself thinking about precisely that.

I was wondering who our highest paid player is now, and it occurred to me it might be Gabby or Benteke, but that Delph, as the last of the MON contracts, won't be far behind, so could he theoretically find himself being offered a worse deal, despite having proved himself?

I'd be gutted beyond words if that happened and we lost him.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: rob_bridge on February 21, 2014, 11:11:19 PM
Danny Rose was sent off in the Spurs game for clattering two footed into Hutton so that might be where the confusion comes from.

He really should've been sent off in both Albion games tbh.

The Assassin as colloquially named by a former Bitter Work Colleague.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: danno on February 22, 2014, 12:06:43 AM
If wages are still going to be an issue where does this leave Delph

If he left because we wouldn't pay him what he's on now I think I'd go and boil my head in oil

I'd have thought that if Delph's wages were a problem, he'd have been frozen out at the start of the season
along with Bent Ireland Given and Hutton.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 22, 2014, 12:18:02 AM
when Delph signs a new deal and Ron Vlaar it will prove we will give proper wages to players that deserve it as opposed to the wasteful nonsense that took place on the past.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: paulcomben on February 28, 2014, 11:13:58 AM
Hutton on loan to Bolton until the end of the season, says Kendrick. Phew.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: JUAN PABLO on February 28, 2014, 11:19:25 AM
and how much are they paying ?

probably 5% of it

actually probably be better loaning Lowton until he sorts his shit out
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: SoccerHQ on February 28, 2014, 12:12:44 PM
No different to when he went to Mallorca really (apart from the climate of course).

Bolton are themseleves cost cutting at the minute so no chance they'll take him on full time so he'll be back in the summer.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: b23 on February 28, 2014, 08:26:44 PM
Hutton on loan to Bolton until the end of the season, says Kendrick. Phew.

He may be mistaken ? BBC says until the end of March.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Legion on February 28, 2014, 08:29:41 PM
It's a month-long loan.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: adrenachrome on February 28, 2014, 11:17:06 PM
It's a month-long loan.

In that case, maybe merge this thread with the Ides of March one.

Then in April we can put DC5's plan into action and play the follicularly challenged wassock in the hole.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: cdbearsfan on March 01, 2014, 06:19:01 PM
Doesn't even have to get on the pitch to inspire his new team to a four-nil win. What a player.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Grande Pablo on March 01, 2014, 09:23:51 PM
Saw the goals on SSN.  Huttons ambivolent celebration for the 1st goal sums the guy up.  Bell end.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Dave Clark Five on March 05, 2014, 09:58:03 PM
It's a month-long loan.

In that case, maybe merge this thread with the Ides of March one.

Then in April we can put DC5's plan into action and play the follicularly challenged wassock in the hole.

Could do far worse.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: b23 on March 31, 2014, 09:21:37 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/26819868
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Jon Crofts on April 01, 2014, 01:16:54 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/26819868

A giant luminous orange turd
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Drummond on April 01, 2014, 02:18:57 PM
I thought it was an April Fool when I read it this morning.

I daresay he did too.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: adrenachrome on July 15, 2014, 08:07:30 PM
Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/aston-villa/10969487/Alan-Hutton-given-chance-to-revive-Aston-Villa-career-by-manager-Paul-Lambert.html)

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Alan Hutton given chance to revive Aston Villa career by manager Paul Lambert

Scottish full-back Alan Hutton will join Aston Villa on pre-season tour of the United States after the club rejected a bid for him from West Bromwich Albion

By John Percy

6:48PM BST 15 Jul 2014


 Alan Hutton is set to join Aston Villa on their pre-season tour of America after a remarkable about-turn from manager Paul Lambert.

Hutton will fly out with the Villa first-team to Texas on Saturday after Lambert blocked a bid from West Bromwich Albion to sign him.

The Scotland international will be given a chance to stake a claim for a place this season despite not making a first-team appearance since Lambert’s appointment in June 2012.

Hutton has been training with the club’s development squad for most of the past two years and Lambert even admitted last season he had been frozen out due to his high wages.

But with owner Randy Lerner desperate to sell the club, the majority of Villa’s big earners are now back in the fold.



Albion made another attempt to sign Hutton on Tuesday but Lambert has insisted he will be part of his plans in pre-season and under consideration for a place.

Darren Bent, Villa’s £24million record signing, is also expected to join Villa in the United States in another turnaround from Lambert.

Villa are pressing ahead with their bid to sign Swansea midfielder Ki Sung-Yueng and would ideally like to agree a deal before the weekend.

Ki has one year left on his contract at Swansea and Lambert wants to make the South Korea international his fourth signing of the summer.


Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: TheMalandro on July 15, 2014, 08:13:06 PM
Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/aston-villa/10969487/Alan-Hutton-given-chance-to-revive-Aston-Villa-career-by-manager-Paul-Lambert.html)

Quote
Alan Hutton given chance to revive Aston Villa career by manager Paul Lambert

Scottish full-back Alan Hutton will join Aston Villa on pre-season tour of the United States after the club rejected a bid for him from West Bromwich Albion

By John Percy

6:48PM BST 15 Jul 2014


 Alan Hutton is set to join Aston Villa on their pre-season tour of America after a remarkable about-turn from manager Paul Lambert.

Hutton will fly out with the Villa first-team to Texas on Saturday after Lambert blocked a bid from West Bromwich Albion to sign him.

The Scotland international will be given a chance to stake a claim for a place this season despite not making a first-team appearance since Lambert’s appointment in June 2012.

Hutton has been training with the club’s development squad for most of the past two years and Lambert even admitted last season he had been frozen out due to his high wages.

But with owner Randy Lerner desperate to sell the club, the majority of Villa’s big earners are now back in the fold.



Albion made another attempt to sign Hutton on Tuesday but Lambert has insisted he will be part of his plans in pre-season and under consideration for a place.

Darren Bent, Villa’s £24million record signing, is also expected to join Villa in the United States in another turnaround from Lambert.

Villa are pressing ahead with their bid to sign Swansea midfielder Ki Sung-Yueng and would ideally like to agree a deal before the weekend.

Ki has one year left on his contract at Swansea and Lambert wants to make the South Korea international his fourth signing of the summer.



Chopping down wingers at a stadium near you
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: brian green on July 15, 2014, 08:20:10 PM
Hands up all those who think Lambert has wasted two years going round in circles.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: silhillvilla on July 15, 2014, 08:25:20 PM
It's all becoming a bit Eastenders isn't it.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: john2710 on July 15, 2014, 08:25:45 PM
Hands up all those who think Lambert has wasted two years going round in circles.

We don't know if Lambert was working to an instruction from the club or not. It's possible the decision to ostracise the high earners was not Lamberts.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: mr underhill on July 15, 2014, 08:26:48 PM
buffoonery par excellence, irrespective of its origin
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Ron Manager on July 15, 2014, 08:33:39 PM
I don't understand Randy Lerner's thinking and I dont understand Paul Lambert's thinking. What I do understand is that the clubs morale is at a very very low point.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: silhillvilla on July 15, 2014, 08:34:15 PM
Hands up all those who think Lambert has wasted two years going round in circles.

We don't know if Lambert was working to an instruction from the club or not. It's possible the decision to ostracise the high earners was not Lamberts.
Hmmmm. Faulkner ??
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Steve67 on July 15, 2014, 08:53:13 PM
Who cares? If Hutton is the better right back and beefs up a really weak defence then I am all for him getting his place back. We are already weak in that position but I hope Hutton comes back and is just simply more solid than Lowton or Bacuna.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Rudy65 on July 15, 2014, 08:55:53 PM
Hands up all those who think Lambert has wasted two years going round in circles.

Both hands up

PL looks like a real prat. Doubt he has much respect amongst any of the players
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: silhillvilla on July 15, 2014, 08:56:36 PM
He's better than Lowton and this will allow Bacuna to play ARM pushing on.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: paulcomben on July 15, 2014, 09:09:10 PM
Hands up all those who think Lambert has wasted two years going round in circles.

Circles suggests some kind of organised plan and pattern . If only.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: brian green on July 15, 2014, 09:13:40 PM
It is maybe possible that the experiment to stay in the Premiership on the cheap while presenting it as a policy of young and hungry is not Lambert's but Faulkner's or Randy's or Charlie the chip shop proprietor's, but the fact remains that it has happened while Paul Lambert has been our manager.   It is exactly the same as the misdemeanors of K and C.  All sorts was going on it would seem to which Lambert was either too blind or too stupid to do anything about.  The bomb squad debacle did not occur by accident.   If Lambert instigated the bomb squad he is to blame for it.   If he was too weak or too distracted to do anything about the establishment of the bomb squad, he is equally culpable.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 15, 2014, 09:24:39 PM
Agree with Mr Green, too many trying to find excuses for the dismal failings of Lambert.

His Managerial track record continues to point to the fact that he is way out of his depth.

At least we have Roy to fall back on.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 15, 2014, 09:27:42 PM
Bizarre I have to say. Someone finally stupid enough to pay money for him (and the Albion at that, a potential relegation rival) and we suddenly decide we want to keep him.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: brian green on July 15, 2014, 09:31:37 PM
And SoccerHQ, pay for a player their fans loathe and detest.  It's a mad, mad world.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Steve67 on July 15, 2014, 09:35:28 PM
Lambert is hiding behind the 'lack of proper fund's' credo that the club, probably Lambert, have been peddling. The truth is that he is a crap Manager, who has bought crap players and deploys crap tactics. Lerner, equally, has proven to be completely crap at running sports franchises. A recipe for fan misery until the club is sold and either Lambert is given money and proves me wrong, or huggers off and we get someone in who knows how to run a proper football club. The bomb squad are all someone else's signings and he wanted them out a) because he didn't sign them, and b) because he was told to lower the wage bill.

Lambert has bought mainly dross with the money he HAS been given. That is totally his responsibility. I would love to be proven wrong but I think Lambert is a busted flush and is relying on another weird appointment in Roy Keane to put Villa right. IMO.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: London Villan on July 15, 2014, 09:55:48 PM
Why am I not shocked. Looking at TSM2's signings I bet he would have actually tried to sign him this summer, had he been at another club and out of contract.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: silhillvilla on July 15, 2014, 10:13:34 PM
I actually thought he was doing ok by the end of the Eck era. Til he got twatted by Rose and went off on a stretcher . Welcome back Alan.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: KevinGage on July 15, 2014, 10:14:39 PM
Weren't the Olbiyun trying to loan Hutton, with us picking up part of his wages?

That's the dilemma you will face, when you disown a player to the extent we have with Hutton, Bent and co over the past two years.  Scavengers will come to pick the bones.

I can't imagine Hutton's morale will be at all time high, either.  If he thinks it might get him a move sooner, it might not be beyond him to put in a few dire performances between now and the end of August.  A few more to add to the collection, then.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Ian. on July 15, 2014, 10:24:19 PM
I don't think Lambert has has much say in the bomb squad members until now, I'm pretty sure that came from the top. However what has surprised me is not selling him to the Albion. That seems an odd decision to me, but then again I don't rate him at all. Maybe Lambert has seen something in his attitude? Who knows but I hope (but doubt) he will prove me wrong and become a good full back for us.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: supertom on July 15, 2014, 10:27:01 PM
It depends what system we play this season. A back 4 and Hutton is better at RB than Bacuna and Lowton.
Three at the back and as a wing back, Bacuna is the better option.

To be fair to Mutton, he's never kicked up a stink and Lambert has had nowt but positives to say regarding his attitude. That may have been for the presses benefit, but I'd imagine Hutton has behaved well.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: tomd2103 on July 15, 2014, 10:29:01 PM
Weren't the Olbiyun trying to loan Hutton, with us picking up part of his wages?

That's the dilemma you will face, when you disown a player to the extent we have with Hutton, Bent and co over the past two years.  Scavengers will come to pick the bones.

I can't imagine Hutton's morale will be at all time high, either.  If he thinks it might get him a move sooner, it might not be beyond him to put in a few dire performances between now and the end of August.  A few more to add to the collection, then.

Once Rangers are back in the SPL, he'll be back there like a shot. 
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: UK Redsox on July 15, 2014, 10:33:41 PM
Hutton might well be heading to the USA on the pre-season trip but no where in the article does it say that he'll be flying back.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Ian. on July 15, 2014, 10:34:24 PM
It depends what system we play this season. A back 4 and Hutton is better at RB than Bacuna and Lowton.
Three at the back and as a wing back, Bacuna is the better option.

To be fair to Mutton, he's never kicked up a stink and Lambert has had nowt but positives to say regarding his attitude. That may have been for the presses benefit, but I'd imagine Hutton has behaved well.
One thing you can say with all the players which were sent to Coventry in the first place is they have all acted in a very professional manner. I can't recall any of these players moaning in the press.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: TheMalandro on July 15, 2014, 10:50:28 PM
Hutton might well be heading to the USA on the pre-season trip but no where in the article does it say that he'll be flying back.

Are you saying Randy is going to have him whacked?
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 15, 2014, 10:53:51 PM
Hutton might well be heading to the USA on the pre-season trip but no where in the article does it say that he'll be flying back.

Are you saying Randy is going to have him whacked?

Lambert: What did you do with...[Hutton's body]?
Randy: (deadpan) We buried him... on a hill... overlooking a little river... with pine cones all around.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: john e on July 15, 2014, 10:59:50 PM
Lambert is hiding behind the 'lack of proper fund's' credo that the club, probably Lambert, have been peddling. The truth is that he is a crap Manager, who has bought crap players and deploys crap tactics. Lerner, equally, has proven to be completely crap at running sports franchises. A recipe for fan misery until the club is sold and either Lambert is given money and proves me wrong, or huggers off and we get someone in who knows how to run a proper football club. The bomb squad are all someone else's signings and he wanted them out a) because he didn't sign them, and b) because he was told to lower the wage bill.

Lambert has bought mainly dross with the money he HAS been given. That is totally his responsibility. I would love to be proven wrong but I think Lambert is a busted flush and is relying on another weird appointment in Roy Keane to put Villa right. IMO.

I think this is a load of rubbish, it's just so biasly one eyed it's a joke
it's alright looking at players like Sylla, Tonev, Helenius but they cost peanuts and were a low risk gambol that didn't pay of

But where has Lambert payed good money and got it completely wrong,
Beteke no
Vlaar no
Kozak, we'll in fairness we don't know yet but it's defiantly not a no just yet

To actually say he has bought in mainly dross with the money given is just pure bullshit

I bet your one of the posters that was suggesting a 30 mill minimum fee for that benteke dross that he bought in, and maybe we should just give Vlaar away for fuck all if he's just dross like you say

I'm not saying Lambert is any good, I have big reservations about him, but to say he's bought in mainly dross is just pathetic and fucking stupid
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 15, 2014, 11:07:29 PM
John, point communicated, but you might want to calm it down a bit.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: b23 on July 15, 2014, 11:28:02 PM
Hutton might well be heading to the USA on the pre-season trip but no where in the article does it say that he'll be flying back.

Are you saying Randy is going to have him whacked?

Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: cdward on July 15, 2014, 11:31:46 PM
Lambert is hiding behind the 'lack of proper fund's' credo that the club, probably Lambert, have been peddling. The truth is that he is a crap Manager, who has bought crap players and deploys crap tactics. Lerner, equally, has proven to be completely crap at running sports franchises. A recipe for fan misery until the club is sold and either Lambert is given money and proves me wrong, or huggers off and we get someone in who knows how to run a proper football club. The bomb squad are all someone else's signings and he wanted them out a) because he didn't sign them, and b) because he was told to lower the wage bill.

Lambert has bought mainly dross with the money he HAS been given. That is totally his responsibility. I would love to be proven wrong but I think Lambert is a busted flush and is relying on another weird appointment in Roy Keane to put Villa right. IMO.

I think this is a load of rubbish, it's just so biasly one eyed it's a joke
it's alright looking at players like Sylla, Tonev, Helenius but they cost peanuts and were a low risk gambol that didn't pay of

But where has Lambert payed good money and got it completely wrong,
Beteke no
Vlaar no
Kozak, we'll in fairness we don't know yet but it's defiantly not a no just yet

To actually say he has bought in mainly dross with the money given is just pure bullshit

I bet your one of the posters that was suggesting a 30 mill minimum fee for that benteke dross that he bought in, and maybe we should just give Vlaar away for fuck all if he's just dross like you say

I'm not saying Lambert is any good, I have big reservations about him, but to say he's bought in mainly dross is just pathetic and fucking stupid
Bennett, Sylla, Bowery, Helenius, Kozak, Luna...it all adds up. Are they dross? It's all about opinions, will Senderos, Cole, Richardson be considered dross?
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 15, 2014, 11:33:00 PM
Lambert is hiding behind the 'lack of proper fund's' credo that the club, probably Lambert, have been peddling. The truth is that he is a crap Manager, who has bought crap players and deploys crap tactics. Lerner, equally, has proven to be completely crap at running sports franchises. A recipe for fan misery until the club is sold and either Lambert is given money and proves me wrong, or huggers off and we get someone in who knows how to run a proper football club. The bomb squad are all someone else's signings and he wanted them out a) because he didn't sign them, and b) because he was told to lower the wage bill.

Lambert has bought mainly dross with the money he HAS been given. That is totally his responsibility. I would love to be proven wrong but I think Lambert is a busted flush and is relying on another weird appointment in Roy Keane to put Villa right. IMO.

I think this is a load of rubbish, it's just so biasly one eyed it's a joke
it's alright looking at players like Sylla, Tonev, Helenius but they cost peanuts and were a low risk gambol that didn't pay of

But where has Lambert payed good money and got it completely wrong,
Beteke no
Vlaar no
Kozak, we'll in fairness we don't know yet but it's defiantly not a no just yet

To actually say he has bought in mainly dross with the money given is just pure bullshit

I bet your one of the posters that was suggesting a 30 mill minimum fee for that benteke dross that he bought in, and maybe we should just give Vlaar away for fuck all if he's just dross like you say

I'm not saying Lambert is any good, I have big reservations about him, but to say he's bought in mainly dross is just pathetic and fucking stupid
Bennett, Sylla, Bowery, Helenius, Kozak, Luna...it all adds up. Are they dross? It's all about opinions, will Senderos, Cole, Richardson be considered dross?

Under what criteria would you lump Kozak in with those others?
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on July 15, 2014, 11:38:46 PM
Lambert is hiding behind the 'lack of proper fund's' credo that the club, probably Lambert, have been peddling. The truth is that he is a crap Manager, who has bought crap players and deploys crap tactics. Lerner, equally, has proven to be completely crap at running sports franchises. A recipe for fan misery until the club is sold and either Lambert is given money and proves me wrong, or huggers off and we get someone in who knows how to run a proper football club. The bomb squad are all someone else's signings and he wanted them out a) because he didn't sign them, and b) because he was told to lower the wage bill.

Lambert has bought mainly dross with the money he HAS been given. That is totally his responsibility. I would love to be proven wrong but I think Lambert is a busted flush and is relying on another weird appointment in Roy Keane to put Villa right. IMO.

I think this is a load of rubbish, it's just so biasly one eyed it's a joke
it's alright looking at players like Sylla, Tonev, Helenius but they cost peanuts and were a low risk gambol that didn't pay of

But where has Lambert payed good money and got it completely wrong,
Beteke no
Vlaar no
Kozak, we'll in fairness we don't know yet but it's defiantly not a no just yet

To actually say he has bought in mainly dross with the money given is just pure bullshit

I bet your one of the posters that was suggesting a 30 mill minimum fee for that benteke dross that he bought in, and maybe we should just give Vlaar away for fuck all if he's just dross like you say

I'm not saying Lambert is any good, I have big reservations about him, but to say he's bought in mainly dross is just pathetic and fucking stupid

A sensible voice at last!
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Ian. on July 15, 2014, 11:52:36 PM
Lambert is hiding behind the 'lack of proper fund's' credo that the club, probably Lambert, have been peddling. The truth is that he is a crap Manager, who has bought crap players and deploys crap tactics. Lerner, equally, has proven to be completely crap at running sports franchises. A recipe for fan misery until the club is sold and either Lambert is given money and proves me wrong, or huggers off and we get someone in who knows how to run a proper football club. The bomb squad are all someone else's signings and he wanted them out a) because he didn't sign them, and b) because he was told to lower the wage bill.

Lambert has bought mainly dross with the money he HAS been given. That is totally his responsibility. I would love to be proven wrong but I think Lambert is a busted flush and is relying on another weird appointment in Roy Keane to put Villa right. IMO.

I think this is a load of rubbish, it's just so biasly one eyed it's a joke
it's alright looking at players like Sylla, Tonev, Helenius but they cost peanuts and were a low risk gambol that didn't pay of

But where has Lambert payed good money and got it completely wrong,
Beteke no
Vlaar no
Kozak, we'll in fairness we don't know yet but it's defiantly not a no just yet

To actually say he has bought in mainly dross with the money given is just pure bullshit

I bet your one of the posters that was suggesting a 30 mill minimum fee for that benteke dross that he bought in, and maybe we should just give Vlaar away for fuck all if he's just dross like you say

I'm not saying Lambert is any good, I have big reservations about him, but to say he's bought in mainly dross is just pathetic and fucking stupid
Bennett, Sylla, Bowery, Helenius, Kozak, Luna...it all adds up. Are they dross? It's all about opinions, will Senderos, Cole, Richardson be considered dross?
All of these (except Kozak who is not dross and repaid part of his fee with goals) cost next to nothing. Any player purchased for that sort of fee, in some cases less than a million, the odds are they are not going to be good enough. We might get lucky and unearth the next Platt, more than likely not though. This was a gamble taken in which Lambert was instructed to do remember. I don't see many other mangers of Premiership club having to shop around the lower leagues of Europe on the transfer and wage budgets we have had in place.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 16, 2014, 12:54:19 AM
Lambert is hiding behind the 'lack of proper fund's' credo that the club, probably Lambert, have been peddling. The truth is that he is a crap Manager, who has bought crap players and deploys crap tactics. Lerner, equally, has proven to be completely crap at running sports franchises. A recipe for fan misery until the club is sold and either Lambert is given money and proves me wrong, or huggers off and we get someone in who knows how to run a proper football club. The bomb squad are all someone else's signings and he wanted them out a) because he didn't sign them, and b) because he was told to lower the wage bill.

Lambert has bought mainly dross with the money he HAS been given. That is totally his responsibility. I would love to be proven wrong but I think Lambert is a busted flush and is relying on another weird appointment in Roy Keane to put Villa right. IMO.

I think this is a load of rubbish, it's just so biasly one eyed it's a joke
it's alright looking at players like Sylla, Tonev, Helenius but they cost peanuts and were a low risk gambol that didn't pay of



That was all I ever managed in Gymnastics.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: eamonn on July 16, 2014, 02:16:26 AM
I just don't see why Lerner would have instructed Lambert to ostracise the high wage earners and leave them rot while their transfer fees devalue and they become completely demotivated. Surely it is far more plausible that Lambert swaggered in from Norwich, having over-achieved with a group of lower league players, assumed he could do the same at Villa, had little experience of managing big names anyway, and decided to discard them himself. Two years of struggle and he's finally realised the error of his ways.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Californian Villain on July 16, 2014, 05:08:42 AM
I just don't see why Lerner would have instructed Lambert to ostracise the high wage earners and leave them rot while their transfer fees devalue and they become completely demotivated. Surely it is far more plausible that Lambert swaggered in from Norwich, having over-achieved with a group of lower league players, assumed he could do the same at Villa, had little experience of managing big names anyway, and decided to discard them himself. Two years of struggle and he's finally realised the error of his ways.

You're nearly right. Except that Bent, Hutton et al have been "given another chance" on the instructions of the owner.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: brian green on July 16, 2014, 06:03:40 AM
I have never seen any evidence that Lambert was "instructed" to buy a lot of cheap young players in preference to fewer proven players. How bad does a bad manager have to be? I see no justification at all for the "none of this is Lambert's fault" proposition.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Californian Villain on July 16, 2014, 06:26:58 AM
I have never seen any evidence that Lambert was "instructed" to buy a lot of cheap young players in preference to fewer proven players. How bad does a bad manager have to be? I see no justification at all for the "none of this is Lambert's fault" proposition.

You'll probably have to wait for his book to come out, but it's pretty clear there has been a U-turn in transfer strategy. And a necessary one given the failure of the last two years. Changes of this magnitude must come from the top of the club.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on July 16, 2014, 06:37:42 AM
However you look at the bomb squad its Fucking criminal not to sell Hutton the man is a joke, extremely Shit and despised by the fans
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: ROBBO on July 16, 2014, 06:49:40 AM
Hutton at his best (which wasn't very often) was always a sending off waiting to happen. If there is consideration that he may be the best right back at the club then heaven help us. If Lambert has had to take him back on the instruction of the owner then he should resign, if it is his own decision he should resign out of embarrassment.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Californian Villain on July 16, 2014, 06:49:59 AM
However you look at the bomb squad, its fucking criminal to think anyone would buy Hutton. The man is a joke, extremely Shit and despised by the fans

I corrected that for you.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: silhillvilla on July 16, 2014, 07:26:43 AM
However you look at the bomb squad its Fucking criminal not to sell Hutton the man is a joke, extremely Shit and despised by the fans
Despised by the fans ? Are you the voice of the fans ?
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Ads on July 16, 2014, 08:38:30 AM
I would chuckle, neigh, laugh my bollocks off, if Hutton scored a winner at the Brummie Road End against the Not So Stripey Filth.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: ROBBO on July 16, 2014, 08:45:24 AM
How can you despise someone you don't know? He's not premiership grade but he may be a very decent individual off the field.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: RussellC on July 16, 2014, 08:47:10 AM
I don;t think the idea was ever to ostracise the high-earners, it was just to get rid of them. We just made an absolutely fuck-up of doing that. Whether that's Lambert, Lerner or Faulkner's fault, we'll never really know, although my suspicion is that it's Lambert's.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Ron Manager on July 16, 2014, 08:49:12 AM
I just don't see why Lerner would have instructed Lambert to ostracise the high wage earners and leave them rot while their transfer fees devalue and they become completely demotivated. Surely it is far more plausible that Lambert swaggered in from Norwich, having over-achieved with a group of lower league players, assumed he could do the same at Villa, had little experience of managing big names anyway, and decided to discard them himself. Two years of struggle and he's finally realised the error of his ways.

You're nearly right. Except that Bent, Hutton et al have been "given another chance" on the instructions of the owner.

Lets say the owner has instructed the club manager 'to play' certain players he patently does not rate or does not think their attitude is right, surely Mr Lambert being very financially stable would do the honourable thing and hand in his notice. I for one would have more respect for him than I do now. I think ,after some consideration, that Lambert just cannot handle players who have attained some kind of stature in the game and are capable of answering him back, as is their right.

We need new people to come in who have experience in running a football club.Perhaps we will be lucky with Mr Lerners choice. He may sell to the right person/s. What if he doesnt?  That worries me.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: john e on July 16, 2014, 08:49:35 AM
John, point communicated, but you might want to calm it down a bit.


Ok Paulie thanks, sober now

But my point is that if you sold every player that Lambert bought whilst at Villa,
Even the ones we would get nothing back for I reckon he would double his money on the lot

Yet he's bought in mainly dross ?



Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: mr underhill on July 16, 2014, 08:52:52 AM
it doesn't matter who instigated the bomb squad. it was the most idiotic marketing strategy ever; completely alienate and demoralise higher wage earners by forcing them to play with academy kids/ go out on loan (not so stupid) or simply kick their heels at home. That really was going to get  prospective buyers salivating! And when we do get some interest which might actually see some money coming in we turn it down. Total bobbins. If I were Hutton it would  take a herculean effort of self control not to tell the club to do one.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Ads on July 16, 2014, 08:52:54 AM
Surely it is far more plausible that Lambert swaggered in from Norwich, having over-achieved with a group of lower league players

That is the reason Lambert was given the job, so that he could do the same. Lambert saying that Hutton was left out because of wages, having been loaned out along with Bent, is evidence enough that it was club policy. Lambert will have agreed to these conditions when he took over the job, but the remit will have come from upon high.

Orders may be orders, but there is no Nuremburg defence to this though, but it's worth considering that it cuts both ways; if not Lambert, then it would have been somebody else.

I thought Hutton had a really poor season under McLeish and I wasn't keen on some of his thuggish tackles. If he was a corrosive element amongst the dressing room, and in fairness there is no evidence to suggest he is a Steven Warnock character, then I wouldn't have wanted him anywhere near the first XI.

That said, having seen Lowton's off the field issues strongly affect his performance (ironic that his positional deficiencies on the field is matched by them off!) and while Bacuna looks great attacking, he is horribly unawares as to how to defend, then why not bring him back?

As many have argued we are paying his wages for better or worse. Can he be any worse than Lowton and Bacuna, defensively of last season? Probably not. We have finite resources, so I would rather the money be spent on the midfield.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: RussellC on July 16, 2014, 08:59:56 AM
it doesn't matter who instigated the bomb squad. it was the most idiotic marketing strategy ever

Then surely it does matter? I'd love t know who's idea it was because, as you say, it was sheer stupidity.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: ROBBO on July 16, 2014, 09:18:08 AM
There must be a book in it.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Olneythelonely on July 16, 2014, 09:20:29 AM
How can you despise someone you don't know? He's not premiership grade but he may be a very decent individual off the field.

He glassed his Dad apparently.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on July 16, 2014, 10:04:40 AM
However you look at the bomb squad its Fucking criminal not to sell Hutton the man is a joke, extremely Shit and despised by the fans
Despised by the fans ? Are you the voice of the fans ?

Yeah I am, didn't you know?

In all seriousness when he was a regular under the scottish manager I went to all the away games, everytime he touched the ball he would have been told to get fucked etc.

He's hardly popular on here or any other forum and if you think people will be glad to see him back in the team then I think you'll be disappointed
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: achilles on July 16, 2014, 10:40:57 AM
Next thing is Hutton will be offered a new contract... and to be honest it wouldn't surprise me at all (nothing does anymore)!
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: RussellC on July 16, 2014, 10:51:28 AM
Or a role on the coaching staff...
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: supertom on July 16, 2014, 10:59:42 AM
I guess we'll never know 100% for sure who really instigated the bomb squad. It was a monumental balls up though and the about turn sums up just how badly the club has been run top to bottom.

It does seem though that Lambert has obviously stated he needs more experience in the squad. I would imagine Randy's response was that, due to a limited budget, he would have to re-instate those experienced players that we've essentially ostracised and treated like shit.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Dave Javu on July 16, 2014, 11:33:05 AM
Maybe it got to the point that it's more expensive to get rid of Hutton (loyalty bonuses, subsidising lower wages at new club, bring in replacement even on a free that might not be any better etc.) than to actually just keep him.

Oh dear.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: ozzjim on July 16, 2014, 12:11:00 PM
I thought that this morning when trying to make sense of it all. If we sold now, without him actually asking to go explicitly, having made it clear we want rid, we may well have to pay him out the last year of his deal in any case as some kind of "loyalty" bonus. Thus meaning even if Albion paid 500k, we would be effectively paying 750k plus on top of that to be shot of him. At which point, if he can play and be useful, might as well keep him.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 16, 2014, 01:39:34 PM
they all may as well play now. It makes a mockery (beyond the mockery that it already is) of not playing them at all last season. In a year devoid of depth and experience we excluded these experienced players. I'm no fan of Hutton, but might he have been an option instead of Lowton or Bacuna at times? Bent instead of Holt, or when Benteke goes down, or Kozak, or when Weimann isn't doing it, or Gabby? And now we are signing experienced players. I've stopped trying to work it out.

Anyway, deep breath, fresh start (again). If they can help let's use them until an offer comes in that's worth looking at or their contracts expire and they are gone once and for all.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Chris Smith on July 16, 2014, 01:53:31 PM
When I have been involved in redundancy situations at work there have always been problems trying to ensure that those who know they are going don't have a detrimental impact on the attitude and motivation of those that are staying. I guess that was the reason for not including them in first team affairs, clearly that was a mistake but I doubt anyone expected it to drag on for this long.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Villa in Denmark on July 16, 2014, 10:17:24 PM
That's fair enough in the real world, however shit it might be, but it's a different situation in the Alice in Wonderland world that is the PL.

Over and above that these players are employees with the human aspects to consider, they're also valuable assets and that value needs to be managed, just as a factory manages asset value by maintenance of equipment or an IT maximises the intellectual property value of it's software or hardware designs.

Unless these players showed signs of being disruptive influences or deliberately not trying, they should have been included, as playing is / was the only way to maintain any semblance of value on these valuable assets.

The one thing that above all else the club really deserves criticism for is the appalling way the value of the squad has been managed.

I've no real hard figures for this, but thinking about the players we've transferred in and out over the last few years, other than the obvious 3, we've pissed god knows how many millions away, both as actual cash by buying for millions and seeing players either walk away for nothing or nominal fees - the money Randy has pumped into the club - and recorded losses due to the amortization of contracts without any value to write back on as contracts are renewed.

I would guess that this as much as anything is what has driven the move to cheap, low wage signings. A very simplistic method to stem the accounting losses and hemorrhaging cash. Poor management consultant 101 actions which are shit enough in the real world and disastrous in football
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on July 17, 2014, 12:51:24 AM
I don't know if I've missed something, but I'm racking my brains and I can barely think of any major discontent from the "bomb squad".  There seems to be a common assumption on here that these experienced professionals have been unjustly ostracised and mistreated, and yet, if that was the case, you'd expect transfer requests to slapped in with haste, subsequent transfers completed at almost any cost (if getting big-earners off the payroll was the point) and extensive slagging off of Lambert and the club in the press.  Yet, unless I've missed it, that hasn't happened at all.  Is this simply a case of modern professional footballers happily pocketing obscene wages without actually playing football to earn it?  Or has there been any furore from those involved, and I've just blanked it out for my own sanity's sake?     
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: tomd2103 on July 17, 2014, 01:14:27 AM
I don't know if I've missed something, but I'm racking my brains and I can barely think of any major discontent from the "bomb squad".  There seems to be a common assumption on here that these experienced professionals have been unjustly ostracised and mistreated, and yet, if that was the case, you'd expect transfer requests to slapped in without haste, subsequent transfers completed at almost any cost (if getting big-earners off the payroll was the point) and extensive slagging off of Lambert and the club in the press.  Yet, unless I've missed it, that hasn't happened at all.  Is this simply a case of modern professional footballers happily pocketing obscene wages without actually playing football to earn it?  Or has there been any furore from those involved, and I've just blanked it out for my own sanity's sake?     

Wouldn't be surprised to be honest.  You only have to look at Wolves and the likes of O'Hara, to see it happens at a lot of clubs.  My guess is that some players in that position probably feel that their next contract will be nothing like their current one, so are more than willing to sit it out and earn top money while they can.  They may also think that a year or two mid-career break from football could extend their playing years, so are more than happy to sit tight.   
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Merv on July 17, 2014, 08:13:01 AM
What's West Brom's offer for Hutton? Is it a serious one, or are they looking to sign him for free, with a year left on his contract? Perhaps they also expect us to contribute to his wages next season? If the deal's not worth doing for Villa, it may be better off him staying.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: RussellC on July 17, 2014, 08:26:22 AM
What's West Brom's offer for Hutton? Is it a serious one, or are they looking to sign him for free, with a year left on his contract? Perhaps they also expect us to contribute to his wages next season? If the deal's not worth doing for Villa, it may be better off him staying.

And I suppose the other aspect is us not strengthening (stop laughing at the back) a rival.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Damo70 on July 17, 2014, 09:51:31 AM
I don't know if I've missed something, but I'm racking my brains and I can barely think of any major discontent from the "bomb squad".  There seems to be a common assumption on here that these experienced professionals have been unjustly ostracised and mistreated, and yet, if that was the case, you'd expect transfer requests to slapped in without haste, subsequent transfers completed at almost any cost (if getting big-earners off the payroll was the point) and extensive slagging off of Lambert and the club in the press.  Yet, unless I've missed it, that hasn't happened at all.  Is this simply a case of modern professional footballers happily pocketing obscene wages without actually playing football to earn it?  Or has there been any furore from those involved, and I've just blanked it out for my own sanity's sake?     

Wouldn't be surprised to be honest.  You only have to look at Wolves and the likes of O'Hara, to see it happens at a lot of clubs.  My guess is that some players in that position probably feel that their next contract will be nothing like their current one, so are more than willing to sit it out and earn top money while they can.  They may also think that a year or two mid-career break from football could extend their playing years, so are more than happy to sit tight.   


My understanding is that a signing on fee is split equally over each year of the contract. If you request a move you forfeit the rest of the payments. So players prefer to sit tight for a move r if they push for a move the club puts pressure on them to submit a transfer request.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: john e on July 17, 2014, 09:58:21 AM
Although it sounds like the best thing to do is to start integrating Bent , Hutton etc back into the main squad
It will only take a couple of games to realise why they were in the bomb squad in the first place, because they are cack, they will not be returning as good players but probably worse ones that they once were

The match day threads will be full of ' Bent should never wear the shirt again' and 'Hutton is an incompetent thug' this is virtually guaranteed, same goes for Nzogbia

Sorry but we are better of without them
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Villa in Denmark on July 17, 2014, 10:10:59 AM
I don't know if I've missed something, but I'm racking my brains and I can barely think of any major discontent from the "bomb squad".  There seems to be a common assumption on here that these experienced professionals have been unjustly ostracised and mistreated, and yet, if that was the case, you'd expect transfer requests to slapped in with haste, subsequent transfers completed at almost any cost

The point is not that they've been unfairly treated or been paragons of virtue by not bitching to the press.

The point is that the don't appear to have caused any disruption either before or after being sent to train as the bomb squad.

I think the club almost hoped for the scenario you describe and the players trying to force moves, which would be yet another example of naivety from the club.

If they wanted rid, the best way of achieving this would surely have been to keep then around the first team and let it be known behind the scenes that they were available for transfer.  That way we get some value out of their wages and a better chance of shifting them for a half decent fee.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: RussellC on July 17, 2014, 10:18:55 AM
If they wanted rid, the best way of achieving this would surely have been to keep then around the first team and let it be known behind the scenes that they were available for transfer.  That way we get some value out of their wages and a better chance of shifting them for a half decent fee.

Brian Little made almost exactly the same point yesterday;

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-brian-little-backs-7431922
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 17, 2014, 11:02:56 AM
If they wanted rid, the best way of achieving this would surely have been to keep then around the first team and let it be known behind the scenes that they were available for transfer.  That way we get some value out of their wages and a better chance of shifting them for a half decent fee.

It's also not as if we were the first team ever to find themselves with players surplus to requirements, so god knows why we thought it would be a good idea to bomb them out like that.

Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: paul_e on July 17, 2014, 12:46:28 PM
All clubs have players who aren't involved and are clearly up for sale, the only difference is that 1 or 2 of the players that we put in that group gave the press a nice 'bomb squad' soundbite and it's stuck.

A lot of people on here are guilty of reading everything that's reported about Villa, reading bits and pieces about other clubs and then wondering why they hear so much more bad press about Villa.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Villa in Denmark on July 17, 2014, 01:04:30 PM
john e I agree that we're better off without them for a host of reasons, both economic and footballing.

The question is how to achieve that with the best financial result possible.  Given the financial constraints we operate under these days, just imagine the difference to the squad if we could have raised an extra 3-4 million a year to spend on Vlaar level signings instead of Luna or Helenius who have been just cheaper bomb squad material for most of last season.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Villa in Denmark on July 17, 2014, 01:22:26 PM
All clubs have players who aren't involved and are clearly up for sale, the only difference is that 1 or 2 of the players that we put in that group gave the press a nice 'bomb squad' soundbite and it's stuck.

A lot of people on here are guilty of reading everything that's reported about Villa, reading bits and pieces about other clubs and then wondering why they hear so much more bad press about Villa.

I agree about the point that we, quite naturally, tend to read way more about Villa than any other team and dissect what we read to the nth degree.

I'd also agree that the bomb squad tag was a nice sound bite, originating from Hutton in an interview at the start of last season if I remember rightly.

But for other clubs, perception seems to be that yes, they all have players that they want to move on for.whatever reason, but they're not totally ostracized in the way we've handled our unwanted players.

That it's public knowledge that they're training away from the first team, even before squad.numbers were announced puts us in a weak bargaining position.
Not to mention they pure waste of wages.
As poor as he is, I can't believe that there weren't times last season where we were playing a flat back 4 without Lowton, where Bacuna in front if Hutton wouldn't have been better than Bacuna getting ripped to shreds behind KEA.

As someone who agrees that we shouldn't be basing our play around Bent, again if we're going to go all gung-ho 4 up front for the last 10 minutes when trying to salvage something from a game, or whatever it is Lambert tries to do in those situations who's more likely to.convert a half chance in the box, Bent or one of Holt, Gabby or Wieman?

Ironically Ireland was just a waste of fresh air and beyond salvaging anything from, yet he was the one we managed where we at least duck some of his wages.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Gregorys Boy on July 19, 2014, 12:43:47 AM
He has done bugger all for us, and apart from kicking lumps out of players I don't see what he offers at this level, lets get two mil for him and move on.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: paul_e on July 19, 2014, 02:25:26 AM
All clubs have players who aren't involved and are clearly up for sale, the only difference is that 1 or 2 of the players that we put in that group gave the press a nice 'bomb squad' soundbite and it's stuck.

A lot of people on here are guilty of reading everything that's reported about Villa, reading bits and pieces about other clubs and then wondering why they hear so much more bad press about Villa.

I agree about the point that we, quite naturally, tend to read way more about Villa than any other team and dissect what we read to the nth degree.

I'd also agree that the bomb squad tag was a nice sound bite, originating from Hutton in an interview at the start of last season if I remember rightly.

But for other clubs, perception seems to be that yes, they all have players that they want to move on for.whatever reason, but they're not totally ostracized in the way we've handled our unwanted players.

That it's public knowledge that they're training away from the first team, even before squad.numbers were announced puts us in a weak bargaining position.
Not to mention they pure waste of wages.
As poor as he is, I can't believe that there weren't times last season where we were playing a flat back 4 without Lowton, where Bacuna in front if Hutton wouldn't have been better than Bacuna getting ripped to shreds behind KEA.

As someone who agrees that we shouldn't be basing our play around Bent, again if we're going to go all gung-ho 4 up front for the last 10 minutes when trying to salvage something from a game, or whatever it is Lambert tries to do in those situations who's more likely to.convert a half chance in the box, Bent or one of Holt, Gabby or Wieman?

Ironically Ireland was just a waste of fresh air and beyond salvaging anything from, yet he was the one we managed where we at least duck some of his wages.

but that's not what happened, the club didn't make anything public, bannan and hutton (I think) were interviewed and announced that they and a few others (I believe they were named) were training on their own and they taken to calling themselves the bomb squad.  Before that interview I cant recall anything to suggest that was the case, just the usual 'villa are looking for offers for...' which all clubs leak every summer.

I'd be very surprised if there aren't players up and down the country with a whole host of clubs who are either training alone or are shunned off to one side as much as possible. The issue is that we let that soundbite go to press with nothing to counter it so it became the story of our summer and the press just ran with it.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on July 19, 2014, 08:44:34 AM
To be fair Hutton was effectively in the bomb squad at spurs because he never got a game
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: peter w on July 19, 2014, 12:18:04 PM
All clubs have players who aren't involved and are clearly up for sale, the only difference is that 1 or 2 of the players that we put in that group gave the press a nice 'bomb squad' soundbite and it's stuck.

A lot of people on here are guilty of reading everything that's reported about Villa, reading bits and pieces about other clubs and then wondering why they hear so much more bad press about Villa.

I agree about the point that we, quite naturally, tend to read way more about Villa than any other team and dissect what we read to the nth degree.

I'd also agree that the bomb squad tag was a nice sound bite, originating from Hutton in an interview at the start of last season if I remember rightly.

But for other clubs, perception seems to be that yes, they all have players that they want to move on for.whatever reason, but they're not totally ostracized in the way we've handled our unwanted players.

That it's public knowledge that they're training away from the first team, even before squad.numbers were announced puts us in a weak bargaining position.
Not to mention they pure waste of wages.
As poor as he is, I can't believe that there weren't times last season where we were playing a flat back 4 without Lowton, where Bacuna in front if Hutton wouldn't have been better than Bacuna getting ripped to shreds behind KEA.

As someone who agrees that we shouldn't be basing our play around Bent, again if we're going to go all gung-ho 4 up front for the last 10 minutes when trying to salvage something from a game, or whatever it is Lambert tries to do in those situations who's more likely to.convert a half chance in the box, Bent or one of Holt, Gabby or Wieman?

Ironically Ireland was just a waste of fresh air and beyond salvaging anything from, yet he was the one we managed where we at least duck some of his wages.

but that's not what happened, the club didn't make anything public, bannan and hutton (I think) were interviewed and announced that they and a few others (I believe they were named) were training on their own and they taken to calling themselves the bomb squad.  Before that interview I cant recall anything to suggest that was the case, just the usual 'villa are looking for offers for...' which all clubs leak every summer.

I'd be very surprised if there aren't players up and down the country with a whole host of clubs who are either training alone or are shunned off to one side as much as possible. The issue is that we let that soundbite go to press with nothing to counter it so it became the story of our summer and the press just ran with it.

Happened to me at Bromsgrove. Shoved out to train with the youth team when I was with the reserves. I was clearly head and shoulders above them and the youth coach told the reserve coach to take me back. He took me back but just ignored me and never spoke to me. Unlike the bomb squad I wasn't contracted so he won in the end and I just walked away. one of the first-team coaches new my dad and asked why he hadn't seen me for a while and my dad told him. He didn't even know what had gone on.

But, it's football. A shitty way to be treated but when you're judged on results and bringing good players into the first team sentiment goes out of the window.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: eamonn on July 19, 2014, 12:42:21 PM
Two lovely assists, or near-enough, from Hutton for Bent's goals the other night. At least he seems to be giving it a lash.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Mister E on July 19, 2014, 01:04:10 PM
Two lovely assists, or near-enough, from Hutton for Bent's goals the other night. At least he seems to be giving it a lash.
Hutton has been the one that seems to have kept his head down and always claimed he'd like to get back into the first team reckoning, IIRC.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: ozzjim on July 19, 2014, 02:30:33 PM
Meanwhile Bent seems to have taken a comfort eating approach instead.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on July 19, 2014, 02:39:37 PM
To be fair Hutton was effectively in the bomb squad at spurs because he never got a game

Maybe he just loves bombs. The thug etc.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 19, 2014, 03:03:42 PM
Meanwhile Bent seems to have taken a comfort eating approach instead.

Happens just after you get married. Then reality sets in that dinner isn't guaranteed to be there when you get home, lunch is no longer made for your day ahead. You lose weight just fending for yourself.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: john e on July 19, 2014, 03:37:24 PM
Hutton has behaved impeccably, he's never dissed the club the manager or the fans, for this he gets some good credit

However if you were to draw  a list of worst  footballers ever to play for Villa he would be on it.
I doubt this will change in the forthcoming season
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: mr underhill on July 19, 2014, 03:52:12 PM
spot on but I guess the consolation of 50k a week or thereabouts, does help to cushion the blow of rejection and partial rehabilitation
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Rolta on July 19, 2014, 04:08:34 PM
He could have left the club, but he didn't want to lower his wages. He was happy to not play and keep the money.

He's under contract for one more year, and he only wants out because he can get a longer contract elsewhere, 2 or 3 years. If Lambert wants to use him, then let him I say. I lost so much faith in Lowton last year, and I'm really unsure about Bacuna as a fullback.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: peter w on July 19, 2014, 04:14:00 PM
hutton isn't particularly good. Or at least didn't show it for us a couple of seasons ago. But at times looked decent at Tottenham and certainly has playing for Scotland recently. He's obviously being kept to play at right-back so as fans we may as well draw a line under the past and see what he can produce for us next season.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Damo70 on July 19, 2014, 05:14:51 PM
hutton isn't particularly good. Or at least didn't show it for us a couple of seasons ago. But at times looked decent at Tottenham and certainly has playing for Scotland recently. He's obviously being kept to play at right-back so as fans we may as well draw a line under the past and see what he can produce for us next season.

He looked poor when he played his season with us but I would agree it is worth giving him a chance this season. Do we know much about his form when he was out on loan?
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: N'ZMAV on July 19, 2014, 05:17:51 PM
Hutton isn't very good. I'm glad Bent and N'Zogbia are now included in the squad, as they have something to offer. Hutton doesn't. He's poor. We should ship him out ASAP.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: mr underhill on July 19, 2014, 05:34:36 PM
we've tried and failed.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Mortimer's Bear on July 19, 2014, 05:49:46 PM
Hutton has behaved impeccably, he's never dissed the club the manager or the fans, for this he gets some good credit

However if you were to draw  a list of worst  footballers ever to play for Villa he would be on it.
I doubt this will change in the forthcoming season

This
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: garyshawsknee on July 19, 2014, 05:51:58 PM
He's another one who has got better the less he has played. Which says more about Lowton. Theres a good player there somewhere, just needs good coaching, something we lack and hasn't been addressed. Get out your German black book Lambert.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Matt Collins on July 19, 2014, 05:52:48 PM
I'm no fan of Hutton at all really

But the fact that some people claim he's barely a footballer whilst also claiming herd can do a job for us (in midfield!!) is laughable
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: tomd2103 on July 19, 2014, 07:58:09 PM
He's another one who has got better the less he has played. Which says more about Lowton. Theres a good player there somewhere, just needs good coaching, something we lack and hasn't been addressed. Get out your German black book Lambert.

Hutton had a very poor season under McLeish, but Lowton and Bacuna have been as bad if not worse at times in that position in the preceding years. 
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: garyshawsknee on July 19, 2014, 08:16:03 PM
Lowton started off well in his first season. Last season was awful. Bacuna isn't a full back at all,no positional sense. Still don't think Hutton is the answer.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 19, 2014, 08:26:35 PM
He's another one who has got better the less he has played. Which says more about Lowton. Theres a good player there somewhere, just needs good coaching, something we lack and hasn't been addressed. Get out your German black book Lambert.

Hutton had a very poor season under McLeish, but Lowton and Bacuna have been as bad if not worse at times in that position in the preceding years. 

There's potential in those two though with better coaching.

Hutton at 29 ain't getting any better.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Quiet Lion on July 19, 2014, 08:35:56 PM
The sad truth for me is Hutton would have improved our team last season.

Doesn't mean he isn't shit though.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: tomd2103 on July 19, 2014, 09:18:21 PM
Lowton started off well in his first season. Last season was awful. Bacuna isn't a full back at all,no positional sense. Still don't think Hutton is the answer.

I don't think any of those three are the answer at right-back in all honesty.  Lowton and Bacuna may be better suited to a more advanced wing-back role though. 
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: garyshawsknee on July 19, 2014, 09:36:27 PM
He's another one who has got better the less he has played. Which says more about Lowton. Theres a good player there somewhere, just needs good coaching, something we lack and hasn't been addressed. Get out your German black book Lambert.

Hutton had a very poor season under McLeish, but Lowton and Bacuna have been as bad if not worse at times in that position in the preceding years. 

There's potential in those two though with better coaching.

Hutton at 29 ain't getting any better.

Sorry i worded that poorly, i was talking about Lowton. Columbus, Vasco De Gama and Francis Drake couldn't find a good player in Hutton.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: tomd2103 on July 19, 2014, 09:50:11 PM
He's another one who has got better the less he has played. Which says more about Lowton. Theres a good player there somewhere, just needs good coaching, something we lack and hasn't been addressed. Get out your German black book Lambert.

Hutton had a very poor season under McLeish, but Lowton and Bacuna have been as bad if not worse at times in that position in the preceding years. 

There's potential in those two though with better coaching.

Hutton at 29 ain't getting any better.

Sorry i worded that poorly, i was talking about Lowton. Columbus, Vasco De Gama and Francis Drake couldn't find a good player in Hutton.

I just worry about the defensive side of Lowton's game and the fact that he isn't particularly quick means he can't make up the ground when he is beaten or caught out of position.  I think back to Mark Delaney and he was the opposite really when he arrived, defensively solid, but not so great on the ball and going forward.  I think it's easier for defenders to improve when it is that way round really.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 19, 2014, 11:17:26 PM
The thing I worry about with Lowton is that he's just not very good.

In the last third of his first season, we got a bit carried away, what with that goal at Stoke and what not, but the rest of that season, people were pretty unconvinced by him.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Matt Collins on July 19, 2014, 11:22:49 PM
Lowton gave the best full back performance I've ever seen from a villa player, against Sunderland. I'm not ready to give up on him yet
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Villa in Denmark on July 19, 2014, 11:38:11 PM
All clubs have players who aren't involved and are clearly up for sale, the only difference is that 1 or 2 of the players that we put in that group gave the press a nice 'bomb squad' soundbite and it's stuck.

A lot of people on here are guilty of reading everything that's reported about Villa, reading bits and pieces about other clubs and then wondering why they hear so much more bad press about Villa.

I agree about the point that we, quite naturally, tend to read way more about Villa than any other team and dissect what we read to the nth degree.

1 .I'd also agree that the bomb squad tag was a nice sound bite, originating from Hutton in an interview at the start of last season if I remember rightly.
2 .But for other clubs, perception  seems to be that yes, they all have players that they want to move on for.whatever reason, but they're not totally ostracized in the way we've handled our unwanted players.
That it's public knowledge that they're training away from the first team, even before squad.numbers were announced puts us in a weak bargaining position.
Not to mention they pure waste of wages.
As poor as he is, I can't believe that there weren't times last season where we were playing a flat back 4 without Lowton, where Bacuna in front if Hutton wouldn't have been better than Bacuna getting ripped to shreds behind KEA.

As someone who agrees that we shouldn't be basing our play around Bent, again if we're going to go all gung-ho 4 up front for the last 10 minutes when trying to salvage something from a game, or whatever it is Lambert tries to do in those situations who's more likely to.convert a half chance in the box, Bent or one of Holt, Gabby or Wieman?

Ironically Ireland was just a waste of fresh air and beyond salvaging anything from, yet he was the one we managed where we at least duck some of his wages.

1. but that's not what happened, the club didn't make anything public, bannan and hutton (I think) were interviewed and announced that they and a few others (I believe they were named) were training on their own and they taken to calling themselves the bomb squad.  Before that interview I cant recall anything to suggest that was the case, just the usual 'villa are looking for offers for...' which all clubs leak every summer.

2. I'd be very surprised if there aren't players up and down the country with a whole host of clubs who are either training alone or are shunned off to one side as much as possible. The issue is that we let that soundbite go to press with nothing to counter it so it became the story of our summer and the press just ran with it.

Paul, I think we basically agree -  hopefully the highlighted bits make sense.

Everything else is recognising the weak bargaining position we ended up in and questioning how good an idea ostricising them in genreal was, regardless of it being common knowledge or not

Sorry about the quoteathon, couldn't decide how to edit it so went it all.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: adrenachrome on July 20, 2014, 01:20:33 AM
The thing I worry about with Lowton is that he's just not very good.

In the last third of his first season, we got a bit carried away, what with that goal at Stoke and what not, but the rest of that season, people were pretty unconvinced by him.

He can be decent going forward despite his manifest lack of pace, and he has a good right foot. He also has a good football brain in that he knows how to attack space and change the direction of play. 

All opposition teams are now well aware that he can be skinned if they have a decent wide player with a bit of pace that can use both feet. Ditto Luna/Bennett. In fact, there have been many games, particularly at home, where you could predict the result very early on in proceedings based on how the opposition were exploiting this weakness.   

As with Baker, you could argue there should be better midfield support.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on July 20, 2014, 01:24:47 AM
Lowton gave the best full back performance I've ever seen from a villa player, against Sunderland. I'm not ready to give up on him yet

He played very well that day, and for much of that season. His decline last season was very frustrating, no doubt for him as well as us.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: tomd2103 on July 20, 2014, 02:01:03 AM
The thing I worry about with Lowton is that he's just not very good.

In the last third of his first season, we got a bit carried away, what with that goal at Stoke and what not, but the rest of that season, people were pretty unconvinced by him.

He can be decent going forward despite his manifest lack of pace, and he has a good right foot. He also has a good football brain in that he knows how to attack space and change the direction of play. 

All opposition teams are now well aware that he can be skinned if they have a decent wide player with a bit of pace that can use both feet. Ditto Luna/Bennett. In fact, there have been many games, particularly at home, where you could predict the result very early on in proceedings based on how the opposition were exploiting this weakness.   

As with Baker, you could argue there should be better midfield support.

Agree with that and it's why I'd be interested to see him in a more advanced wing-back role, where he wasn't defensively isolated as much.  As for the last sentence about Baker, he could have Claude Makele and Roy Keane in front of him and he'd still be making the same mistakes!!
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: bobdylan on July 20, 2014, 06:49:21 AM
Lowton puts some wonderful crosses in for the forwards, especially the beast, for me it's a tough call between him and Bacuna for the right wing back role, I'd only consider Hutton as part of a back four, and in this system I'd have him at right back over Lowton and Bacuna.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Gregorys Boy on July 20, 2014, 03:16:25 PM
I think at this point Lambert is desparate to retain some experience and that is part of his thinking behind keeping the likes of Hutton, CZ, and Bent.  I am quite pleased with the full back positions.  Lowton has a lot of promise for me, and could turn out to be one of the better young prospects, Luna faded after a good start last time, but I think he deserves a chance to prove himself.   The centre back area is a bit more of a concern for me.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: brontebilly on July 22, 2014, 12:16:08 AM
Why would Hutton or any of the bomb squad try a leg for Villa after Lambert bombed them out of the squad last term? Lambert effectively humiliated them and now it's all a clean slate!! It's not going to end well methinks. Hutton is a terrible player aswell mind you
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Pete3206 on July 22, 2014, 12:22:13 AM
They're all on good money, so I don't think it's too much to ask to put a bit of effort in.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Dave on July 22, 2014, 08:04:59 AM
Why would Hutton or any of the bomb squad try a leg for Villa after Lambert bombed them out of the squad last term?
Because all of them are effectively playing for one last decent contract before the tail-end of their careers.

If Hutton or Bent have a solid year than they'll probably get a two year deal at somewhere like Stoke or West Brom. If they don't, they'll be looking at 12 month contracts at Wolves or Bolton.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: QBVILLA on July 22, 2014, 08:24:38 AM
Why would Hutton or any of the bomb squad try a leg for Villa after Lambert bombed them out of the squad last term? Lambert effectively humiliated them and now it's all a clean slate!! It's not going to end well methinks. Hutton is a terrible player aswell mind you

You can question their ability as everyone has an opinion but I don't think in either players case they can be accused of a lack of effort. For me both players are more likely the type to want to prove Lambert wrong.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 22, 2014, 09:05:25 AM
Why would Hutton or any of the bomb squad try a leg for Villa after Lambert bombed them out of the squad last term?
Because all of them are effectively playing for one last decent contract before the tail-end of their careers.

If Hutton or Bent have a solid year than they'll probably get a two year deal at somewhere like Stoke or West Brom. If they don't, they'll be looking at 12 month contracts at Wolves or Bolton.

Couldn't you also have said that about Bent at Fulham last season, though? I mean that there was a clear incentive for him to do well there?

From what I saw, he looked like one of the most uninvolved and unbothered players I saw in the premier league last season.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: bobdylan on July 22, 2014, 10:31:37 AM
Why would Hutton or any of the bomb squad try a leg for Villa after Lambert bombed them out of the squad last term?
Because all of them are effectively playing for one last decent contract before the tail-end of their careers.

If Hutton or Bent have a solid year than they'll probably get a two year deal at somewhere like Stoke or West Brom. If they don't, they'll be looking at 12 month contracts at Wolves or Bolton.

Couldn't you also have said that about Bent at Fulham last season, though? I mean that there was a clear incentive for him to do well there?

From what I saw, he looked like one of the most uninvolved and unbothered players I saw in the premier league last season.

He still comfortably outscored Gabby though even as a bit part player for a relegated side.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 22, 2014, 11:38:40 AM

He still comfortably outscored Gabby though even as a bit part player for a relegated side.

Gabby 4 league goals, Bent 3.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 22, 2014, 11:39:33 AM
Why would Hutton or any of the bomb squad try a leg for Villa after Lambert bombed them out of the squad last term?
Because all of them are effectively playing for one last decent contract before the tail-end of their careers.

If Hutton or Bent have a solid year than they'll probably get a two year deal at somewhere like Stoke or West Brom. If they don't, they'll be looking at 12 month contracts at Wolves or Bolton.

Couldn't you also have said that about Bent at Fulham last season, though? I mean that there was a clear incentive for him to do well there?

From what I saw, he looked like one of the most uninvolved and unbothered players I saw in the premier league last season.

He still comfortably outscored Gabby though even as a bit part player for a relegated side.

I'm not sure that really means much, though.

Gabby got four in all competitions, Bent got six. Crap from both of them.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: bobdylan on July 22, 2014, 12:19:30 PM

He still comfortably outscored Gabby though even as a bit part player for a relegated side.

Gabby 4 league goals, Bent 3.
Yer cup goals don't count, Withey didn't really score in Rotterdam it was all a dream.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: supertom on July 22, 2014, 12:54:48 PM
Bent in fairness to him didn't have a proper pre-season last year. He was pretty slow off the blocks for Fulham because he wasn't match fit and a few niggles in addition throughout the season, meant he never really got into full swing. He's never gonna set the world alight with his work-rate anyway. I don't think we particularly did him any favours by ostracising him last summer though.

I'll judge him by what he does in our shirt and hope that a good pre-season and a good run without injury will see him have a reasonable season for us. The Mansfield game for one, saw a Darren Bent who showed more than enough desire and will to impress. I don't see him shirking this season. After all, in a years time he'll be moving on a bosman. If he bangs in 10+ goals, he'll have ample takes in a years time.

One step at a time of course, but with regards to the returnees, so far, so good.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Meanwood Villa on July 22, 2014, 01:02:54 PM

He still comfortably outscored Gabby though even as a bit part player for a relegated side.

Gabby 4 league goals, Bent 3.
Yer cup goals don't count, Withey didn't really score in Rotterdam it was all a dream.

What have cup games got to do with a team being relegated?

Nonetheless including cup games - Bent 6, Gabby 4.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: supertom on July 22, 2014, 01:23:55 PM

He still comfortably outscored Gabby though even as a bit part player for a relegated side.

Gabby 4 league goals, Bent 3.
Yer cup goals don't count, Withey didn't really score in Rotterdam it was all a dream.

What have cup games got to do with a team being relegated?

Nonetheless including cup games - Bent 6, Gabby 4.
Minutes to goals ratio also worth considering. Bent didn't play a hell of a lot. Largely understandably to some extend of course given he looked cumbersome all season.

However on the basis of Mansfield. Gabby looked unfit, slack and a bit uninterested, whilst Bent looked up for it. Of course we can't play Mansfield every week.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: paul_e on July 22, 2014, 02:04:04 PM
minutes to goals ratio for last season is actually really interesting:

Bent - 1 every 270mins
Gabby - 1 every 626mins
Weimann - 1 every 471mins
Benteke - 1 every 207mins
Kozak - 1 every 207mins

Kozak is slight better than I expected there, I thought he's be closer to Bent's average.

Not sure what this has to do with Alan Hutton though.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Dave on July 22, 2014, 02:14:06 PM
Yup - in a game where Fabio Borini is £14m and Ideye Brown is £10m, £7m for Kozak is looking like pretty solid business.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 22, 2014, 02:56:02 PM
minutes to goals ratio for last season is actually really interesting:

Bent - 1 every 270mins
Gabby - 1 every 626mins
Weimann - 1 every 471mins
Benteke - 1 every 207mins
Kozak - 1 every 207mins

Kozak is slight better than I expected there, I thought he's be closer to Bent's average.

Not sure what this has to do with Alan Hutton though.

I genuinely don't know what people dislike about Kozak.

He came in, he scored a few goals, he got injured. Lots of people seem to forget the "scoring a few goals" thing.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: bobdylan on July 22, 2014, 03:11:36 PM

He still comfortably outscored Gabby though even as a bit part player for a relegated side.

Gabby 4 league goals, Bent 3.
Yer cup goals don't count, Withey didn't really score in Rotterdam it was all a dream.

What have cup games got to do with a team being relegated?

Nonetheless including cup games - Bent 6, Gabby 4.

Nothing, who said they did?
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Matt Collins on July 27, 2014, 10:10:11 AM
On current pre season form I'd start Hutton at stoke. Lowton just continues to look too much of a liability defensively. And I really like Lowton. But if he doesn't learn to defend we can't keep carrying him
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: supertom on July 27, 2014, 10:39:39 AM
On current pre season form I'd start Hutton at stoke. Lowton just continues to look too much of a liability defensively. And I really like Lowton. But if he doesn't learn to defend we can't keep carrying him
Never thought I'd see the day when I'd want Hutton back in the side, but he is the best right back at the club. Lowton isn't very good defensively and is very lightweight too. If Hutton can curb the rash challenges he'll be alright. I'd certainly be starting him at Stoke, especially if we're playing a back 4. Even as a wing back he probably gets the nod at the moment. Lowton and Bacuna have been poor in pre-season so far.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Gregorys Boy on July 27, 2014, 12:30:21 PM
minutes to goals ratio for last season is actually really interesting:

Bent - 1 every 270mins
Gabby - 1 every 626mins
Weimann - 1 every 471mins
Benteke - 1 every 207mins
Kozak - 1 every 207mins

Kozak is slight better than I expected there, I thought he's be closer to Bent's average.

Not sure what this has to do with Alan Hutton though.

I genuinely don't know what people dislike about Kozak.

He came in, he scored a few goals, he got injured. Lots of people seem to forget the "scoring a few goals" thing.

Spot on.  If he plays most of the next season then I can see him really having a good run.  The guy does look a bit of class to me.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Gregorys Boy on July 27, 2014, 12:32:03 PM
On current pre season form I'd start Hutton at stoke. Lowton just continues to look too much of a liability defensively. And I really like Lowton. But if he doesn't learn to defend we can't keep carrying him

If there is one match taylored made for someone like Hutton it is Stoke away.

I bet having a twenty page thread most be the highlight of his career, am sure he is looking on in pride. 
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 27, 2014, 01:01:12 PM
I have always thought Hutton was a very poor player, but I am more than willing to believe he's the best right back at the club at the moment. If he carries on having a decent preseason, I would be happy enough to see him start at Stoke.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 27, 2014, 01:08:46 PM


I genuinely don't know what people dislike about Kozak.

He came in, he scored a few goals, he got injured. Lots of people seem to forget the "scoring a few goals" thing.

He was signed by Paul Lambert, with money authorised by Randy Lerner. It was the same with Peter Crouch -a blind man could see there was a footballer there, but because Sir Graham II and Doug were so discredited in many eyes they couldn't possibly have done anything right.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Ron Manager on July 27, 2014, 01:16:11 PM


I genuinely don't know what people dislike about Kozak.

He came in, he scored a few goals, he got injured. Lots of people seem to forget the "scoring a few goals" thing.

He was signed by Paul Lambert, with money authorised by Randy Lerner. It was the same with Peter Crouch -a blind man could see there was a footballer there, but because Sir Graham II and Doug were so discredited in many eyes they couldn't possibly have done anything right.

Crouchy looked as if he could play when he was at QPR. I think DOL got rid of him when he didn't do much against Man Utd. That was a bad mistake. One of many over the years.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 27, 2014, 01:19:51 PM

Nothing, who said they did?

Well when you say "relegated side" then it's all about league games isn't it.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 27, 2014, 02:34:11 PM
Nothing will convince me that the best way to move on players you don't want any more is to ostracise them and make them train with the under 12s.


I agree. The article in the Mail is typical mumbo jumbo. Why does Lambert have to speak in riddles? 'Nothing to do with football', then why not play him? There have been numerous occasions that he could have played, despite Hutton being scapegoat no.1, even to people who have probably never seen him play.

Don't get me wrong, I think he's a poor player, I really do.

However, given that our only other non-out-of-position option there until just lately, Lowton, was also pretty poor for much of the time, and given we've spent the last 18 months or however long we've been pretending Hutton doesn't exist, paying him 40k a week anyway, perhaps it might have made sense to include him in the squad?

agreed 100%. self defeating not including him. If he came in and played well in a few games, someone might take a punt on him. He couldnt have been any worse than the likes of Lowton, Bacuna and Luna this season anyway.

Hutton is a strange one though. Remember his weight ballooning at times at Spurs, where he mixed runs of good form with horrible form. Had a decent loan spell at Sunderland a few years back aswell. His first season he was shite for us but if he cut out his thuggish behaviour that he displayed with us, never really saw it in him elsewhere, he should be at least a competent option at right back.

Years ago this thuggish behaviour of which you speak would be just seen as a hard player and committed.  Apart from crocking Long (so what) have I missed something else?  I think he's an ok option given out serious lack of credible alternatives.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Damo70 on July 27, 2014, 02:50:23 PM


I genuinely don't know what people dislike about Kozak.

He came in, he scored a few goals, he got injured. Lots of people seem to forget the "scoring a few goals" thing.

He was signed by Paul Lambert, with money authorised by Randy Lerner. It was the same with Peter Crouch -a blind man could see there was a footballer there, but because Sir Graham II and Doug were so discredited in many eyes they couldn't possibly have done anything right.

Interesting that you mention Crouch because I think there are a lot of similarities. Big, a bit ungainly and can come across as a bit clumsy and not much of a footballer. So basically an ideal scapegoat when things go wrong. But like Crouch he does have ability and he also seems to have a knack of sticking the ball in the net on a regular basis.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: KevinGage on July 27, 2014, 02:50:39 PM
minutes to goals ratio for last season is actually really interesting:

Bent - 1 every 270mins
Gabby - 1 every 626mins
Weimann - 1 every 471mins
Benteke - 1 every 207mins
Kozak - 1 every 207mins

Kozak is slight better than I expected there, I thought he's be closer to Bent's average.

Not sure what this has to do with Alan Hutton though.

I genuinely don't know what people dislike about Kozak.

He came in, he scored a few goals, he got injured. Lots of people seem to forget the "scoring a few goals" thing.

Goals are obviously the key thing, and I think some of the criticism went way overboard last season.

I'd say it stemmed from two things, 1.  That he was signed in the first place, when we had no shortage of forwards (this is not long after we'd signed Helenius, remember) and 2. There is a touch of the Darren Bent's about him. That is, he can be quiet and seemingly no threat in the game.  He isn't particularly quick, and for his size, he doesn't throw his weight around or win enough flick ons.   If he isn't scoring, he isn't really doing much else.

Also, as well as signing a player for a position we seemed well stocked in, the fee seemed high, factoring in his goals to game ratio (n the league) for Lazio. 

The mention of Crouch is interesting though, the bit I seem of him last season indicates he is more comfortable receiving the ball to feet and getting on the end of things. So the big boof ball up top (as we often did with Crouch, but to no avail) was generally wasted on him too.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Damo70 on July 27, 2014, 02:56:30 PM
I thought Crouch's Villa Park debut was right up there with the best debut performances we have seen. If I remember right it was against Newcastle and they couldn't handle him. I never understood how he wasn't given more chances after his loan spell at Norwich where he appeared to get his form and confidence back. Again, if my memory isn't playing tricks on me I recall him putting in a very good performance in the second leg of the semi against Bolton.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: LeeB on July 27, 2014, 03:02:11 PM
I thought Crouch's Villa Park debut was right up there with the best debut performances we have seen. If I remember right it was against Newcastle and they couldn't handle him. I never understood how he wasn't given more chances after his loan spell at Norwich where he appeared to get his form and confidence back. Again, if my memory isn't playing tricks on me I recall him putting in a very good performance in the second leg of the semi against Bolton.

He was ace when he came back from Norwich, but it coincided with Angel's best form for us, and his chances were limited. We were penniless at the time, and my guess is we were due to pay more to Pompey if he played much more so we took the bid off Southampton.

With hindsight, we'd have kept him and flogged Angel whilst his stock was high.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Matt C on July 27, 2014, 03:14:56 PM
Petrov was a pretty decent debut from what i remember too.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: paul_e on July 27, 2014, 03:19:23 PM
Surely Dion Dublin had the best debut for Villa in the last 20-25years, and followed it up over the next few as well (was it 7 in his first 4 starts?).
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: walsall villain on July 27, 2014, 03:21:55 PM
I thought Crouch's Villa Park debut was right up there with the best debut performances we have seen. If I remember right it was against Newcastle and they couldn't handle him. I never understood how he wasn't given more chances after his loan spell at Norwich where he appeared to get his form and confidence back. Again, if my memory isn't playing tricks on me I recall him putting in a very good performance in the second leg of the semi against Bolton.

He was ace when he came back from Norwich, but it coincided with Angel's best form for us, and his chances were limited. We were penniless at the time, and my guess is we were due to pay more to Pompey if he played much more so we took the bid off Southampton.

With hindsight, we'd have kept him and flogged Angel whilst his stock was high.
We were penniless at the time? Compared to now we were rolling in it.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: BoskoDjembaSalifou on July 27, 2014, 03:45:22 PM
2. There is a touch of the Darren Bent's about him. That is, he can be quiet and seemingly no threat in the game.  He isn't particularly quick, and for his size, he doesn't throw his weight around or win enough flick ons.   If he isn't scoring, he isn't really doing much else.

Pretty much why I don't like him.

As for Hutton, get him in the team vs Stoke. He had one bad season under McLeish, but who didn't? He's currently our best option at RB.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: silhillvilla on July 27, 2014, 04:03:41 PM
I'd play Hutton v Stoke for sure. Never rated Lowton defensively , far too easily rolled off the ball. Our major concern will be LB though , who on earth is playing there ? KR ? Has he played there in any of the 3 friendlies so far ?
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: VinnieChase84 on July 27, 2014, 04:20:33 PM
Carbone's debut at home to Wimbledon was total class also.
Remember coming away from that game thinking that we had a real talent on our hands
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Damo70 on July 27, 2014, 04:48:50 PM
One of the most underrated debuts for me was Steve McMahon against Albion in the 4-3. It was a 'covered every blade of grass on the pitch' performance. In fact because he was only with us for two seasons and they were hardly great seasons I think he is one of the most underrated Villa players. We could do with someone like him in the side now. Hard as nails and could score a few from long range. I must add though that I met him at a Swindon Town awards night when he was manager and my ex fiance had a brother who was a youngster a the club. He was a a bit of a misery arse and I did't detect any enthusiasm from him regarding his time at the Villa.

Even though we lost, after David Platt's debut at Blackburn I tipped him to be an England player one day. Although I went to a Blackpool v Walsall match with a couple of mates whilst on a weekend in Blackpool years back and said the same about a bloke called Alex Dyer so I can't quite claim to be a 'superscout'.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 27, 2014, 04:58:01 PM
He's comfortably looked the better of the right full back options. If he continues in this form then Lowton's mrs is going to be less than pleased.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Damo70 on July 27, 2014, 05:07:21 PM
He's comfortably looked the better of the right full back options. If he continues in this form then Lowton's mrs is going to be less than pleased.

Serves her right for not moving house. Do these people not understand that this is a local club for local people? (Adopts a sinister comedic look that is totally wasted as nobody can see it).
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on July 27, 2014, 07:21:53 PM

I genuinely don't know what people dislike about Kozak.

He came in, he scored a few goals, he got injured. Lots of people seem to forget the "scoring a few goals" thing.

I really rate Kozak. When he plays he is just a colossal Czech pain in the arse to the opposition. He has that gift of "right place" but doesn't get it by picking nice runs or good positioning, he gets there by scrapping for every chance and is willing to put his face in front of a boot to score.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Mister E on July 27, 2014, 08:41:25 PM
Re Hutton, I'm not surprised that he looks better than Lowton and other options: he is, after all, an experienced international fullback. Lowton, meantime, was a promising FB who spent most of last season - a key season in his development - arguing with the club about stuff.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: villan from luton on July 27, 2014, 08:43:07 PM
I think Hutton was given a tough time as bought by McLeish, I think he is a decent player tbh, certainly a good defender
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Clampy on July 27, 2014, 08:48:29 PM
I think Hutton was given a tough time as bought by McLeish, I think he is a decent player tbh, certainly a good defender

He was given a tough time because he looked poor whenever he played.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: villan from luton on July 27, 2014, 08:54:10 PM
I think Hutton was given a tough time as bought by McLeish, I think he is a decent player tbh, certainly a good defender

He was given a tough time because he looked poor whenever he played.

Not sure he was any worse than other players tbh
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Clampy on July 27, 2014, 08:55:56 PM
I think Hutton was given a tough time as bought by McLeish, I think he is a decent player tbh, certainly a good defender

He was given a tough time because he looked poor whenever he played.

Not sure he was any worse than other players tbh

I don't think too many on here would have been overly upset had he been sold by now.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: paul_e on July 27, 2014, 09:06:35 PM

I genuinely don't know what people dislike about Kozak.

He came in, he scored a few goals, he got injured. Lots of people seem to forget the "scoring a few goals" thing.

I really rate Kozak. When he plays he is just a colossal Czech pain in the arse to the opposition. He has that gift of "right place" but doesn't get it by picking nice runs or good positioning, he gets there by scrapping for every chance and is willing to put his face in front of a boot to score.

I like the fact that if the ball gets to him anywhere around the box he's looking to get a shot away, either first or second touch. It reminds me of Klose, it's pretty clear kozak spent time watching him in training and has taken on some of it.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: villan from luton on July 27, 2014, 09:11:38 PM
I think Hutton was given a tough time as bought by McLeish, I think he is a decent player tbh, certainly a good defender

He was given a tough time because he looked poor whenever he played.

Not sure he was any worse than other players tbh

I don't think too many on here would have been overly upset had he been sold by now.

I dont disagree but lets be realistic, is he good enough for a mid to lower premiership team?
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Clampy on July 27, 2014, 09:15:13 PM
I think Hutton was given a tough time as bought by McLeish, I think he is a decent player tbh, certainly a good defender

He was given a tough time because he looked poor whenever he played.

Not sure he was any worse than other players tbh

I don't think too many on here would have been overly upset had he been sold by now.

I dont disagree but lets be realistic, is he good enough for a mid to lower premiership team?

Maybe but he hasn't showed it for us so far. Besides, only Bolton seemed to want him last season.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: villan from luton on July 27, 2014, 09:18:09 PM
I think his wages are a big issue, but that is not Lambert's fault. Are we going to go 3-5-2 this season do you think
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Clampy on July 27, 2014, 09:24:05 PM
I think his wages are a big issue, but that is not Lambert's fault. Are we going to go 3-5-2 this season do you think

Possibly.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: villan from luton on July 27, 2014, 09:30:30 PM
I was really impressed with Lowton initally, but he has gone backwards, just hope he has the right attitude to kick on.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Matt Collins on July 27, 2014, 09:41:14 PM
Lowton symbolises lambert's villa more than any other player for me

Young, naive, questionable quality but in that first year threatening to go on and be a real premier league success trough progressive, swashbuckling, attacking play, and then really falling flat in his second year, not correcting the old flaws and going backwards on his strengths
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on July 27, 2014, 09:42:07 PM

I genuinely don't know what people dislike about Kozak.

He came in, he scored a few goals, he got injured. Lots of people seem to forget the "scoring a few goals" thing.

I really rate Kozak. When he plays he is just a colossal Czech pain in the arse to the opposition. He has that gift of "right place" but doesn't get it by picking nice runs or good positioning, he gets there by scrapping for every chance and is willing to put his face in front of a boot to score.

I like the fact that if the ball gets to him anywhere around the box he's looking to get a shot away, either first or second touch. It reminds me of Klose, it's pretty clear kozak spent time watching him in training and has taken on some of it.

Yeah he is very raw and direct.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 27, 2014, 09:44:31 PM
Lowton symbolises lambert's villa more than any other player for me

Young, naive, questionable quality but in that first year threatening to go on and be a real premier league success trough progressive, swashbuckling, attacking play, and then really falling flat in his second year, not correcting the old flaws and going backwards on his strengths

Him and Sylla both.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: silhillvilla on July 27, 2014, 09:47:40 PM
Lowton showed his unprofessional , inexperienced side off the pitch with the house move back to Sheffield. He should really have seen the bigger picture and falling out with lambert is it would seem a real career limiter .
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: villan from luton on July 27, 2014, 09:50:19 PM
I am not a Lambert lover, but he has to deal in the market with the money he has been given. There was talk last summer of Arsenal being afr him,
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on July 27, 2014, 09:54:55 PM
In his previous life with us Hutton looked good bombing forward but clumsy, slow and a liability in most tackles - eg: the Shane Long encounter.
But he's clearly been playing well in his games for Scotland against decent opposition and has done a decent job at Bolton(?).
He deserves another chance IMHO and seems to be a better prospect at RB than Lowton at the moment.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Matt Collins on July 27, 2014, 09:57:17 PM
Yes - although for me Lowton is so synonymous with those games against stoke and Sunderland. I know it was only stoke and Sunderland but I remember watching both games thinking - 'this villa side is actually looking really exciting; we're passing the ball better than I've seen a villa side do in years (even under O'Neill it used to frustrate me how poor our passing and movement was).

I really really want Lowton to get back to that player. But if he has another year like last season it may be his last at this level. And he's not looked great so far (whereas I think the much over criticised Westwood looks good, and physically stronger)
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on July 27, 2014, 09:57:40 PM
True. Lowtons rather spectacular fall in form after his first season was really sad. Hutton certainly has played well enough against lower level opposition the past three friendly games.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: bobdylan on July 28, 2014, 06:54:14 AM
I don't think we'll play with a right back this season, I think it will be a 3 with Okore Vlaar and Senderos and Bacuna will play right wing back.   Hutton looking better is promising but I don't see Lambert dropping Okore or Senderos to accommodate him.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: *shellac* on July 28, 2014, 07:49:51 AM
We should hold on to him beyond Euro 2016.  He might have a good tournament in France, like what Vlaar did weeks ago in Brazil.   Or he might ended up doing a Luiz which might cost more to the Chumps League teams.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: RussellC on July 28, 2014, 08:53:08 AM
I don't think we'll play with a right back this season, I think it will be a 3 with Okore Vlaar and Senderos and Bacuna will play right wing back.   Hutton looking better is promising but I don't see Lambert dropping Okore or Senderos to accommodate him.

Bacuna seems to have carried his end-of-season form into the pre-season to me. He's looked poor in all of the pre-season action I've seen. As it stands, I think he'll be behind both Hutton and Lowton as wing-back, and also about 3rd/4th option as an attacking midfielder. Needs to up his game for me.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: TheMalandro on July 28, 2014, 08:56:03 AM
having a Hutton thread and it being near the top of the messageboard must sum up what a miserable situation the club is in at the moment
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Gregorys Boy on July 28, 2014, 09:20:05 AM
having a Hutton thread and it being near the top of the messageboard must sum up what a miserable situation the club is in at the moment

Not to sound like those fake Aussies on the Fosters ads but "GOOD CALL!"

I think Bucuna is worth keeping around, he takes a good free kick, and is decent going forward, with a bit more time to adapt to the English game I think he could be one of Lambert's better buys.  Its just that I would play him on the wing rather at full back as his positional play is pretty shocking.   

I also see promise in Lowton and think he could have a good future for the club.  If Hutton is going to stick around then I guess he can play certain games with the opener being an obverous one, but mostly I think we should stick with Lowton, but maybe try and give him better protection from wide area, which is something Richardson could be useful for.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Clampy on July 28, 2014, 09:31:03 AM
I like Bacuna and given time I also think that he'll eventually be a really decent buy for us. I thought he did ok overall last year for his first season in. One to persevere with I think.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: RussellC on July 28, 2014, 09:35:58 AM
I like Bacuna and given time I also think that he'll eventually be a really decent buy for us. I thought he did ok overall last year for his first season in. One to persevere with I think.

There's definitely a player in there, I'm just not sure where he should play. In a 4-4-2 he suits a right-midfield place, but I think he's too much of a liability (even more so than Lowton) to play at either RB or Wing-Back. Still young enough to improve though, and his set-piece delivery alone makes him worth persevering with.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Gregorys Boy on July 28, 2014, 09:43:57 AM
I like Bacuna and given time I also think that he'll eventually be a really decent buy for us. I thought he did ok overall last year for his first season in. One to persevere with I think.

There's definitely a player in there, I'm just not sure where he should play. In a 4-4-2 he suits a right-midfield place, but I think he's too much of a liability (even more so than Lowton) to play at either RB or Wing-Back. Still young enough to improve though, and his set-piece delivery alone makes him worth persevering with.

I agree, not sure I would even play him in every match, but I think he is one of our better creative players right now, and I wouldn't mind seeing him as a regular set piece taker, more so than COZ who maybe better coming off the bench.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Matt Collins on July 28, 2014, 09:27:48 PM
I don't think we'll play with a right back this season, I think it will be a 3 with Okore Vlaar and Senderos and Bacuna will play right wing back.   Hutton looking better is promising but I don't see Lambert dropping Okore or Senderos to accommodate him.

He's not going to play centre back (or did I misunderstand you?)

I suspect we'll play both 4 and 3 at the back. Bacuna is the most obvious choice at right wing back but on pre season form I'd pick Hutton. Bacuna has looked a bit ropey.

I don't buy this stuff about pre season being no guide. Last year was a guide to benteke's early form, Lowton's poor form, Sylla's complete lack of form and tonev's shooting.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 28, 2014, 10:05:21 PM
Bacuna could do the Milner role I reckon....the industrious right sided wide midfielder, up and down as he has the energy, can help whoever RB is and also chip in with some goals.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 28, 2014, 10:21:08 PM
I like Bacuna. Not as a right back so much, but he's got promise and did pretty well last season.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Matt Collins on July 28, 2014, 10:47:23 PM
I like bacuna too. But I've only ever seen him play well at right back. He looks much better coming onto the ball than receiving it to feet in midfield
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: ozzjim on July 28, 2014, 11:07:02 PM
HE played up in the hole in one game pretty well last season. I could actually see him, with a decent run, playing well as a "goal scoring" midfield player in the 3 we play, but you would need someone more robust than Westwood to anchor Bacuna and Delph.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: LeeB on July 28, 2014, 11:10:51 PM
HE played up in the hole in one game pretty well last season. I could actually see him, with a decent run, playing well as a "goal scoring" midfield player in the 3 we play, but you would need someone more robust than Westwood to anchor Bacuna and Delph.

That's what I see him as too.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: peter w on July 28, 2014, 11:44:45 PM
I watched him a few times playing for Scotland last season and to be fair he looked good. He was always one of their better players. Say what you like about Scotland but he has been an integral part of them playing a lot better recently. For that reason, coupled with him being half-decent at Rangers and sometimes at Tottenham, I'm prepared to see how he starts the season. Same old shit and he's dropped. Lowton can't be any worse than last seasons and with protection in front of Bacuna we may not be as bad down the right as last season. When we were mostly dire.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 28, 2014, 11:50:54 PM
If he's asked to attack and support as opposed to defend all the time as witnessed uder TSM then he might actually look a good player. In the pre-season games he's looked a better option going forward and on the counter than Lowton.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: peter w on July 28, 2014, 11:53:32 PM
I still like Lowton. I hope last season was nothing more than second season syndrome and he really comes on next season with a Delph like coming of age. Admittedly, he may have further to go but I'd hope to see a good player there next season and this could be the kick up the arse he needs. hopefully he'll respond as a professional and not allow outside influences to dictate his career.

Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 07, 2014, 01:30:44 AM
Reading some of the Alan Hutton articles in the papers and how he's been given a new chance at the club. How Lambert despite not picking him stood by him, they never had bad words etc.

Utterly fucking bizarre. Like upside down world stuff. A player that had been kicked to the curb yet never fell out woth the manager. Who the hell was calling all the shots there? Why was it being agreed to and accepted? It appears the behind the scenes stuff being referred to by Lambert wasn't just the two idiot coaches but also Faulkner/Lerner whoever telling the manager not to pick certain players. Maybe culminating in Faulkner's departure. Now 180 degrees later we are seeing a return of some players committing themselves like the last two years never happened. One day Lambert will write a book and this chapter of his career will be brilliant and brutal reading all in one.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: ROBBO on August 07, 2014, 07:19:47 AM
Reading between the lines it was all to do with getting the wage bill down, he was seen as expensive and replaced but the wages are back in order so he goes again.Bizzare.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: citizenDJ on August 07, 2014, 07:51:27 AM
It really is very very strange to me. Is Hutton one of those players who gets a wage increase if he plays one more competitive game or anything like that?
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: sid1964 on August 07, 2014, 07:54:11 AM
I cant believe that he is back in our 1st team, for me he should be long gone....nothing but a clogger....just watch how crap he is as the season goes on...
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: TheMalandro on August 07, 2014, 07:56:59 AM
I cant believe that he is back in our 1st team, for me he should be long gone....nothing but a clogger....just watch how crap he is as the season goes on...

I'm not a big fan but he is the best we have, so I'll cheer him on.

As somebody else said, it all stinks - I think the bomb squad did come from above.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Merv on August 07, 2014, 07:59:25 AM
It really is very very strange to me. Is Hutton one of those players who gets a wage increase if he plays one more competitive game or anything like that?

I've wondered that. Same with Bent - was he a few starts away from triggering the next set of payments to Sunderland?
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: FranzBiberkopf on August 07, 2014, 08:04:54 AM
He has his limitations for sure. But with three out of the back four being him, Vlaar, Okore (assuming he's not a crock), at least we shouldn't get bullied.

Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Mister E on August 07, 2014, 08:17:18 AM
... Who the hell was calling all the shots there? Why was it being agreed to and accepted? It appears the behind the scenes stuff being referred to by Lambert wasn't just the two idiot coaches but also Faulkner/Lerner whoever telling the manager not to pick certain players...
If true, it certainly strips bare the impression Lerner has given of being simply "the guardian" and a 'hands-off owner'.

And to ROBBO's comment about the wages, we've still had to pay something for the bomb-squad players (it's not like they simply disappeared off the books). So, it certainly is Lewis Carroll world at the moment.

Fair play to Hutton for being so magnanimous about it all.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Matt Collins on August 07, 2014, 08:30:28 AM
He has his limitations for sure. But with three out of the back four being him, Vlaar, Okore (assuming he's not a crock), at least we shouldn't get bullied.



As much as it's galling to see us feeding off scraps in the transfer market,  we should be a more dependable outfit at the back this year - if we keep vlaar. Hutton,  Okore and Richardson would all seem to be upgrades defensively.

I also wonder whether we'd ever see Lowton in front of Hutton in midfield? He's probably our best crosser. He's got no pace of course but I'd be interested to see it. Bacuna is the more obvious fit but he's never convinced me in midfield. Seems better coming onto the ball.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: RussellC on August 07, 2014, 08:44:07 AM
Reading between the lines it was all to do with getting the wage bill down, he was seen as expensive and replaced but the wages are back in order so he goes again.Bizzare.

But we didn't really replace him. Sure, we brought in a replacement in Lowton, but I'm sure that even whilst he was out on loan we've been paying a sizeable chunk of his salary. I wonder if paying 100% of Lowton's wages and whatever % of Hutton's wages during that time has actually saved us any money at all?

It wouldn't surprise me at all to see Hutton have a really good season for us now and then leave on a free next summer with the club desperately scrambling around trying to get him to sign a new contract.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Gregorys Boy on August 07, 2014, 09:02:20 AM
Think Lowton could be a full time starter for us long term, but he is still learning the game, and needs to get his issues sorted.  For certain games Hutton could do a job.  Sad think is there is no sign of us spending any money for a replacement right now, so we don't have a lot of choices.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: supertom on August 07, 2014, 09:44:00 AM
Think Lowton could be a full time starter for us long term, but he is still learning the game, and needs to get his issues sorted.  For certain games Hutton could do a job.  Sad think is there is no sign of us spending any money for a replacement right now, so we don't have a lot of choices.
Lowton is 25 now, so needs to learn pretty quickly. He was bloody awful last season. There's a definite strain between he and Lambert too. I think he'll be gone. I suspect a loan first, followed by a cheap exit.

Shame in some ways, as the Lowton who played Stoke over a year ago looked a brilliant player. Physically, mentally and positionally though, he's well short of whats required of a top level full back these days.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: john e on August 07, 2014, 09:47:56 AM
cant believe he (Lowton) is 25, I thought he was about 19 still
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: supertom on August 07, 2014, 10:01:31 AM
cant believe he (Lowton) is 25, I thought he was about 19 still
He and Bennett look like they could pass as extras in Grange Hill. And play like it sometimes too...
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Gregorys Boy on August 07, 2014, 10:06:21 AM
cant believe he (Lowton) is 25, I thought he was about 19 still
He and Bennett look like they could pass as extras in Grange Hill. And play like it sometimes too...

Seem to remember Lowton having a decent first season to be fair.  Yeah, he is twenty five, but he is still quite new to the top flight, and a lot of players don't peak until their late twenties.   I am willing to give him another year, unless we sign someone who is really that much better.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: eamonn on August 07, 2014, 03:07:19 PM
cant believe he (Lowton) is 25, I thought he was about 19 still
He and Bennett look like they could pass as extras in Grange Hill. And play like it sometimes too...

Meme mock-up of The Inbetweeners 2 with Bennett and Lowton and our other Peter Pans well into their 20's required please (Joe Thomas, aka Simon, is 30 now in fact).
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: chrisw1 on August 19, 2014, 11:00:56 AM
I'm surprised there hasn't been more discussion on Hutton since the weekend.  So what do people think now?  He's taken a hell of a lot of stick on here (and elsewhere) in the past.  Is he still a useless clogger who happened to have a rare good game or is he actually a decent mid to upper table right back who hasn't been given a chance? 
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Gregorys Boy on August 19, 2014, 11:10:55 AM
I still don't see his good form lasting, but credit to him at this moment he is taking his chance and deserves a place in the team. 
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: rob_bridge on August 19, 2014, 11:13:01 AM
cant believe he (Lowton) is 25, I thought he was about 19 still
He and Bennett look like they could pass as extras in Grange Hill. And play like it sometimes too...

And concidentally Bennett could have played an extra could be a pupil at Rodney Bennett school - pre merger with Grange Hill and Brookdale though it would also involve a remake of that prior series..
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: RussellC on August 19, 2014, 11:13:50 AM
There was one instance on Saturday where Hutton went flying into a challenge that was practically on Stoke's goal-line, in order to win us a corner. I really enjoyed that.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Lastfootstamper on August 19, 2014, 11:19:14 AM
Bit early to judge, granted, but he seems to have taken stock over the last year, worked on his game, and come back looking more like a top-half right back, less like a red card waiting to happen. Here's hoping it continues.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: rob_bridge on August 19, 2014, 11:19:57 AM
I'm surprised there hasn't been more discussion on Hutton since the weekend.  So what do people think now?  He's taken a hell of a lot of stick on here (and elsewhere) in the past.  Is he still a useless clogger who happened to have a rare good game or is he actually a decent mid to upper table right back who hasn't been given a chance?

We'll probably have a better idea in a couple of months.

He was woeful in his first season and can only assume this was a mixture of some lifestyle activities and playing under a utterly clueless and terrible first team manager.

Not sure if he got off on the wrong foot with Lambert and co - it appears so.

My guess is he'll try his arse off as is in the last year of his contract.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: robbo1874 on August 19, 2014, 11:23:19 AM
cant believe he (Lowton) is 25, I thought he was about 19 still
He and Bennett look like they could pass as extras in Grange Hill. And play like it sometimes too...

And concidentally Bennett could have played an extra could be a pupil at Rodney Bennett school - pre merger with Grange Hill and Brookdale though it would also involve a remake of that prior series..
justin Bennett
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: rob_bridge on August 19, 2014, 11:29:57 AM
cant believe he (Lowton) is 25, I thought he was about 19 still
He and Bennett look like they could pass as extras in Grange Hill. And play like it sometimes too...

And concidentally Bennett could have played an extra could be a pupil at Rodney Bennett school - pre merger with Grange Hill and Brookdale though it would also involve a remake of that prior series..
justin Bennett

Defo Rodney

Justin (don't know his surname) was a posh kid from Rodney Bennett which was subsumed by Grange Hill.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Mister E on August 19, 2014, 11:40:12 AM
I notice that Hutton picked up his first yellow card of the season on Saturday (I like consistency).
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: rob_bridge on August 19, 2014, 11:42:44 AM
Hopefully the competition will give Lowton the spark to regain his form of the last 3 months of 2012-13 season.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Risso on August 19, 2014, 11:51:56 AM
I expect Hutton apologised and promised not to be as much of a tit in future. A bit like me......
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: dicedlam on August 19, 2014, 11:53:01 AM
I expect Hutton apologised and promised not to be as much of a tit in future. A bit like me......

Good to see you back Risso.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: UK Redsox on August 19, 2014, 12:14:47 PM
I expect Hutton apologised and promised not to be as much of a tit in future. A bit like me......

Never heard of you. Are you new around here ?
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on August 19, 2014, 12:19:40 PM
I expect Hutton apologised and promised not to be as much of a tit in future. A bit like me......

Hurray! Welcome back Risso.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: brian green on August 19, 2014, 12:33:57 PM
Where you been Riss? Place was not the same without you.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: eamonn on August 19, 2014, 12:35:40 PM
Yeah, we've not bitched about you even once!
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: QBVILLA on August 19, 2014, 01:14:07 PM
Where you been Riss? Place was not the same without you.

That bomb squad was bigger than reported.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: rob_bridge on August 19, 2014, 01:22:32 PM
Where you been Riss? Place was not the same without you.

That bomb squad was bigger than reported.

Who is the Darren Bent of H&V barred?
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: eamonn on August 19, 2014, 01:31:32 PM
Cooper's Injury - Stephen Warnock (farmed-out intermittently but would often return. Ultimately there was no way back)
Greg Nash - Stephen Ireland (given countless last chances but just couldn't help himself at upsetting that powers that be)
Risso - Charles N'Zogbia (Flashy but moody, disappeared for a year but now back in the fold without too much fuss)

Someone else can come up with tenuous links between Hutton, Bent and Eastie and Fergal.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 19, 2014, 01:35:55 PM
Greg Nash - Stephen Ireland (given countless last chances but just couldn't help himself at upsetting that powers that be)

I miss the Nasher.

We all know his faults, but he was also - at times - extremely funny.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: rob_bridge on August 19, 2014, 01:41:41 PM
Cooper's Injury - Stephen Warnock (farmed-out intermittently but would often return. Ultimately there was no way back)
Greg Nash - Stephen Ireland (given countless last chances but just couldn't help himself at upsetting that powers that be)
Risso - Charles N'Zogbia (Flashy but moody, disappeared for a year but now back in the fold without too much fuss)

Someone else can come up with tenuous links between Hutton, Bent and Eastie and Fergal.

Is Fergal in exile too?

Are they all on that new fangled site that I have never visited?
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 19, 2014, 02:13:15 PM
Hello Risso, nice to see you back.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 19, 2014, 02:18:54 PM
Cooper's Injury - Stephen Warnock (farmed-out intermittently but would often return. Ultimately there was no way back)
Greg Nash - Stephen Ireland (given countless last chances but just couldn't help himself at upsetting that powers that be)
Risso - Charles N'Zogbia (Flashy but moody, disappeared for a year but now back in the fold without too much fuss)

Someone else can come up with tenuous links between Hutton, Bent and Eastie and Fergal.

Is Fergal in exile too?

Are they all on that new fangled site that I have never visited?

If like Fergal you've gone round slagging this place on another forum then I wouldn't want them back. Risso made some mistakes, saw the error of his ways and has accounted for them. He'll be a welcome addition to our discussions here.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: rob_bridge on August 19, 2014, 02:24:05 PM
Cooper's Injury - Stephen Warnock (farmed-out intermittently but would often return. Ultimately there was no way back)
Greg Nash - Stephen Ireland (given countless last chances but just couldn't help himself at upsetting that powers that be)
Risso - Charles N'Zogbia (Flashy but moody, disappeared for a year but now back in the fold without too much fuss)

Someone else can come up with tenuous links between Hutton, Bent and Eastie and Fergal.

Is Fergal in exile too?

Are they all on that new fangled site that I have never visited?

If like Fergal you've gone round slagging this place on another forum then I wouldn't want them back. Risso made some mistakes, saw the error of his ways and has accounted for them. He'll be a welcome addition to our discussions here.

Fair enough I didn't know that is what he had done.

I knew about Eastie because I observed the post mortem discussion which IIRC amounted to something not disimilar.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: john e on August 19, 2014, 02:28:26 PM
I expect Hutton apologised and promised not to be as much of a tit in future. A bit like me......


Admit it Risso, you missed me didn't you ?
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: bob on August 19, 2014, 02:28:26 PM
I'm sure Hutton struggled with things off the field, and I doubt it takes much of a distraction to affect a player's physical fitness and mental focus sufficiently for them to fall short in this league. Maybe things are different now and he can be a useful part of the team.

At least it looks like he is trying.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: rob_bridge on August 19, 2014, 02:35:37 PM
I'm sure Hutton struggled with things off the field, and I doubt it takes much of a distraction to affect a player's physical fitness and mental focus sufficiently for them to fall short in this league. Maybe things are different now and he can be a useful part of the team.

At least it looks like he is trying.

Watch out Shane Long
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Risso on August 19, 2014, 05:40:47 PM
Hello Risso, nice to see you back.

Thanks Percy, and everybody else. 
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Duncan Shaw on August 19, 2014, 05:49:02 PM
Whatever his ability, and hopefully he can keep up Saturday's good form, we can do nothing but praise his attitude.  He never bad mouthed the club or went to the press bleating ( there were a couple of interviews when he was on Scotland duty) and he seems to have taken his chance to be back in the fold very well.  He was the first to jump on Andi to celebrate on Saturday and fist pumped the crowd admirably.  Even if he just ends up being competent this season it will be a huge bonus in that position. 
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 19, 2014, 05:54:57 PM
I don't think he was as bad as we made out he was under McLeish, I just think he copped a lot of our frustrations from that season. And i'm not saying he was great either!

I will give him a lot of credit for his attitude as well as his performances since getting back in to the side.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on August 19, 2014, 05:59:50 PM
I have a lot of respect for the way Hutton has conducted himself through his time at Villa. And the way he is now playing. May it all continue ........
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Risso on August 19, 2014, 06:04:09 PM
I just can't understand what the club were hoping to achieve with their treatment of him.  Completely excluding him made his resale value next to nothing, and I bet we didn't get much, if anything, in loans fees for the periods he was at places like Forest and Bolton.  I know that the wages and general finance issue had to be sorted, but you don't do that by continuing to pay players for not playing, and making them unsellable.  I don't recall him causing much trouble either.  I know he was present at the Chris Herd nightclub incident, but even in that footage he didn't appear to be doing much wrong.  But whatever, it's just good that he's being given another chance.  He's a better defender than Lowton, if not as good going forward.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Eckybloke on August 19, 2014, 06:06:53 PM
Hello Risso, nice to see you back.

Thanks Percy, and everybody else. 

Boooo. Risso is back. Bomb squad him. Booooo!

Welcome back buddy.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Ron Manager on August 19, 2014, 06:59:25 PM
Could it be Eastie is due a recall from the bomb squad?
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Legion on August 19, 2014, 07:16:25 PM
Unlikely. He is quite happy now over at TBAR.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: mr underhill on August 19, 2014, 08:25:31 PM
nobody stays happy for long on TBAR
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Woofles The Wonder Dog on August 23, 2014, 04:49:05 PM
I know it's only a couple of games in but:

If the answer to the question is: "Alan Hutton"

In what sort of drug-addled state would I have had to have been in a couple of months ago to have come up with: "Where can we find a robust and reliable right back."

Kudos to the bloke. Long may it last.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 23, 2014, 04:57:10 PM
He has got a lot of respect from me for how he has got on with the job and has looked very good.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Rudy65 on August 23, 2014, 05:08:04 PM
And seems to have cut out the kick everything that moves attitude.

Fair play to the guy for wanting to even play for Lambert after what happened
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: peter w on August 23, 2014, 05:21:50 PM
You have to say that not many of the so-called bomb-squad made any type of waves whilst not playing.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: dekko on August 23, 2014, 05:29:50 PM
Out of contract at the end of the season, PANIC!
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: silhillvilla on August 23, 2014, 05:48:14 PM
Excellent again today.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: supertom on August 23, 2014, 05:53:20 PM
Two clean sheets. A fullback who is difficult to get past and knows how to position himself most of the time. (prepares himself to dodge the hail of machine-gun fire...) it's like a new signing.
Hopefully he keeps it up and leaves the Villa as something of a cult hero, as opposed to a player most of us would have been delighted to see the back of before a couple of months ago.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: silhillvilla on August 23, 2014, 06:02:05 PM
You have to question Lamberts treatment of him last year.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: supertom on August 23, 2014, 06:10:27 PM
You have to question Lamberts treatment of him last year.
One day we might get the definitive answer just to who's bright idea the bomb squad was.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Fasth56 on August 23, 2014, 06:18:06 PM
I was disappointed he didn't launch the injury feigning tart Cabella into the stands.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 23, 2014, 06:19:25 PM
You have to question Lamberts treatment of him last year.

Hutton has said he's never had a problem with Lambert and in fact has said how he's been very supportive of him. I don't think what happened was all to do with the manager and the players know it. I think Lambert has followed orders and is smart enough not to throw his bosses under the bus.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: bob on August 23, 2014, 06:42:45 PM
He looked like he was loving life out there today.

Good stuff, Alan.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Drummond on August 23, 2014, 07:20:32 PM
The break has obviously done him some good!

He looked great today and was all over covering.

Proven me wrong so far. Hope he keeps this up, it's exactly what we need.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Mister E on August 23, 2014, 07:33:44 PM
He looked like he was loving life out there today.

Good stuff, Alan.

Massive plaudits to the man for having such a positive attitude despite the club's apparently poor treatment
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: l_mckay on August 23, 2014, 07:49:10 PM
Was excellent today,fair play to him
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: arnie66 on August 23, 2014, 10:08:22 PM
quite strange after the last two seasons.......but......I felt really comfortable with Hutton today (and last week)....this guy stands a chance of becoming a supporters hero.......massive respect for the bloke who has shown tremendous honesty and integrity in what must have been quite dark times recently.  I for one hope that he keeps performing at this level all season and the fans keep singing the Proclaimers Alan Hutton song
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: peter w on August 23, 2014, 10:18:15 PM
Thought he did well but needed to do more overlapping for our system to work.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Risso on August 23, 2014, 10:35:34 PM
I was disappointed he didn't launch the injury feigning tart Cabella into the stands.

Ha ha, indeed, what an absolute fanny that Cabella is.  Hutton was very good again today.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: onje_villa on August 23, 2014, 10:36:36 PM
Both full backs excellent. Where's he been for the last 2 years?
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Nastylee on August 23, 2014, 10:43:10 PM
You have to question Lamberts treatment of him last year.

There were very few fans that questioned him since most on here thought he was shit.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: London Villan on August 23, 2014, 10:46:12 PM
Out of contract at the end of the season, PANIC!

We'll probably end up offering him new deal...
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: The Left Side on August 23, 2014, 10:49:23 PM
keep it up Alan, you're surprising a lot of us.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Louzie0 on August 23, 2014, 10:53:14 PM
Always liked AH.
Good game my son, good game.

Well done, clean sheet again!
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 23, 2014, 10:56:29 PM
I think the thing is, none of our defence - including Vlaar - are particularly amazing players, but they at least have a bit of experience and seem to know what they are doing.

If you take out the centre halves and put Baker and Clark in, maybe stick Lowton and Bennett as full backs, you probably have a few players who, individually, could improve given time, but their collective lack of nous, for want of a better word, makes us so much more feeble.

There are lots of things we need to improve still, but there's no point working on any of them if we can't defend properly. It may only be two matches, but thus far, we don't just look slightly better at the back, we look significantly improved.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: olaftab on August 23, 2014, 10:59:57 PM
Thought he did well but needed to do more overlapping for our system to work.
Agreed. He did ok but could have been more productive going forward and left  his station when de Jong receeived a chip over and Guzan made a very good save.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: ozzjim on August 23, 2014, 11:06:20 PM
I think the thing is, none of our defence - including Vlaar - are particularly amazing players, but they at least have a bit of experience and seem to know what they are doing.

If you take out the centre halves and put Baker and Clark in, maybe stick Lowton and Bennett as full backs, you probably have a few players who, individually, could improve given time, but their collective lack of nous, for want of a better word, makes us so much more feeble.

There are lots of things we need to improve still, but there's no point working on any of them if we can't defend properly. It may only be two matches, but thus far, we don't just look slightly better at the back, we look significantly improved.

Agreed, epitomised by the Senderos booking, which was as calculated a trip as I have ever seen. I initially lambasted him on the match thread but seeing it again he checked the space the lad was going to run into, clearly thought I ain't catching him behind there, take him now.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 23, 2014, 11:36:12 PM
Senderos has been exactly what we needed and most importantly Vlaar needed at the back. He hasn't looked taxed in the two games, and granted part of that is that neither opponents have been that great up front. That said, while he'll never be considered the best player ever, he's showing he can play at this level with a good degree of competence.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: peter w on August 24, 2014, 08:30:56 AM
I actually thought he looked slow yesterday and got caught out of position a few times which led to two good chances for newcastle. Still, we weren't punished so onwards and upwards.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: citizenDJ on August 24, 2014, 08:49:00 AM


If you take out the centre halves and put Baker and Clark in, maybe stick Lowton and Bennett as full backs...

*shudders*
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Matt Collins on August 24, 2014, 09:03:15 AM
The thing is, a Lowton Clark baker Bennett back line feels so horrendous now. But we've seen a fair bit of it!
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Tony Erdington on August 24, 2014, 10:03:31 AM
ill be honest when Baker came on I had a little panic, but as a lot of you've said the additions at the back have helped everyone, if we had a forward yesterday who knows.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: chrisw1 on August 24, 2014, 10:16:57 PM
Agree with much of what has been said.  But stupid thing is Senderos is really no better than Colins.  Just needed a bit of nous in there. How come we could all see that but not Lambert?
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 24, 2014, 10:20:14 PM
Agree with much of what has been said.  But stupid thing is Senderos is really no better than Colins.  Just needed a bit of nous in there. How come we could all see that but not Lambert?

He probably could which is why each summer he has signed a CH. What he couldn't know was that the CH he signed last summer would be ruled out for the season 2 weeks after the transfer window closed. And he probably expected more improvement from Clark and Baker as well last season.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: chrisw1 on August 24, 2014, 10:43:16 PM
Yes fair point about Okore.  But disposing of Colin's was probably a mistake in hindsight.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: ozzjim on August 24, 2014, 10:44:39 PM
After his off field antics with Houllier, I doubt there was much option on Collins.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 24, 2014, 10:55:38 PM
The back 4 isn't that much worse than Newcastle's really.....there one yesterday was Jamaat- Williamson-Colo- Dummett, is that really that superior to ours? Newcastle don't concede much so I'd say as long as you have a reasonable defensive coach on the staff and crucially with us experience in there you get get a realitively average group of defenders coached into a decent unit against 3/4 of the premier league teams.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: ozzjim on August 24, 2014, 11:07:38 PM
I think the 2 biggest differences for us this season will be experience in the back 4, and Sanchez in front. Keeping them fit will be the key from here on.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 24, 2014, 11:09:31 PM
I think the 2 biggest differences for us this season will be experience in the back 4, and Sanchez in front. Keeping them fit will be the key from here on.

Yep I think experience at the back is really important, and we look so much better. I think Sanchez will allow Westwood to be a better player, but we really need to add creativity to the squad now.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: old man villa fan on August 25, 2014, 01:45:12 PM
Yes fair point about Okore.  But disposing of Colin's was probably a mistake in hindsight.

Vlaar was the replacement for Collins in what was two seasons of trying to improve the squad and lower the wage bill.  Vlaar is a far better player than Collins.  At the time we also had Dunne but what was not known at the time was that he would miss the whole season through injury.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Ian. on August 25, 2014, 01:57:48 PM
Collins and Dunne were both trouble and in the end useless and costing the club a fortune. They let us down terribly the season MON left.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: N'ZMAV on August 25, 2014, 02:01:06 PM
Collins and Dunne could still have been useful if they were fit, hungry, concentrating, had the right attitude and cared for AVFC. Other than that, yeah...
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Legion on August 25, 2014, 02:02:01 PM
Collins and Dunne could still have been useful if they were fit, hungry, concentrating, had the right attitude and cared for AVFC. Other than that, yeah...

Dunne was definitely hungry.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: N'ZMAV on August 25, 2014, 02:03:35 PM
No, I think he was full.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: john e on August 25, 2014, 02:18:12 PM
QPR centre back pairing of Dunne and Ferdinhand
Plenty of experience right there !
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Matt Collins on August 25, 2014, 10:19:38 PM
A lot of the above is true. But the best way to stop the opposition scoring is to keep the ball. If we get 40% possession we've done well. So the defence will always be under more pressure

Similarly, although we tend to think we are shit at attacking and defending set pieces, I wonder if we're actually that bad as a proportion of set pieces taken for and against? I'm assuming we tend to get fewer and concede more corners than most
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Matt Collins on August 25, 2014, 10:22:33 PM
Just googled the corners point and found this. It's from the season before last but I think the point still stands (we were certainly moaning about bannan and westwood's delivery that season)

Team   Conversion%
Man Utd   6.73
Wigan   5.00
Stoke   4.86
Chelsea   4.85
Norwich   4.14
West Brom   3.93
Aston Villa   3.82
Sunderland   3.59
Man City   3.04
West Ham   2.73
Everton   2.56
Qpr   2.56
Fulham   2.44
Swansea   2.37
Reading   2.29
Southampto   2.17
Liverpool   1.99
Tottenham   1.35
Arsenal   1.29
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Steve67 on August 25, 2014, 10:23:02 PM
I think the 2 biggest differences for us this season will be experience in the back 4, and Sanchez in front. Keeping them fit will be the key from here on.

Yep I think experience at the back is really important, and we look so much better. I think Sanchez will allow Westwood to be a better player, but we really need to add creativity to the squad now.

Totally agree. Creativity is the requirement. Cole might be it, but he needs good competition. I hope for another centre mid to replace KEA and a winger.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Matt Collins on August 25, 2014, 10:26:54 PM
The fact that the players we are relying on for creativity are cole grealish and n'zogbia says an awful lot. It's actually better than last season where we decided we didn't need creativity at all. But it's still way below teams we'd like to compare ourselves to.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: peter w on August 25, 2014, 10:31:15 PM
A lot of the above is true. But the best way to stop the opposition scoring is to keep the ball. If we get 40% possession we've done well. So the defence will always be under more pressure

Similarly, although we tend to think we are shit at attacking and defending set pieces, I wonder if we're actually that bad as a proportion of set pieces taken for and against? I'm assuming we tend to get fewer and concede more corners than most

The thing is regarding possession is where you have the ball. Newcastle, as most teams do against us had the lion's share of the possession - around 60%-40%. However, we had the territorial advantage of 51%-49% which tends to suggest that we allowed Newcastle to have the ball, as we do with most teams, where it doesn't hurt us. If we have the the ball more in the opposition half than they do in ours then it's a sign of the team being in better shape.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Matt Collins on August 25, 2014, 10:36:41 PM
True. But we still can't score when Newcastle have the ball. On an individual game possession stats are very unreliable. But over a season they are a great indicator of how well a team has done - only the two or three sides that are an exception (very possession orientated sides like Swansea or Everton; or long ball sides like west ham or palace) tend to have a different ranking from where they finish in the league.

We were 19th for possession last year. And top for long balls I think
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Matt Collins on August 25, 2014, 10:40:53 PM
1   Southampton   14.1   600   58.6   81.4   17.3   6.91
2   Manchester City   17.7   721   57.6   86   15.2   7.09
3   Swansea   13   553   57.3   85.2   14.6   6.84
4   Arsenal   13.8   534   56.8   86   17.7   7.05
5   Liverpool   17.1   541   55.8   84.5   15.1   7.16
6   Everton   14.8   551   55.6   83.7   14.2   7.05
7   Manchester United   13.8   663   55.4   84.4   15.1   6.97
8   Chelsea   18.2   573   55.2   83.1   19.2   7.05
9   Tottenham   15.4   664   54.9   81.8   14.8   6.85
10   Newcastle United   15.2   536   49.3   80   20.4   6.84
11   Stoke   11.2   725   47.5   77.6   25.1   6.85
12   West Bromwich Albion   12.8   670   46.2   77.8   18   6.78
13   Sunderland   12.9   697   46.2   78.4   15   6.7
14   Norwich   12.3   622   45.7   76.8   15.8   6.68
15   Hull   11.2   534   45.3   76.9   18.9   6.76
16   Cardiff   11   501   44.7   76.3   18.5   6.68
17   Fulham   11.3   581   44.2   78.8   17   6.69
18   Aston Villa   11.3   780   43.8   73.9   19.2   6.74
19   West Ham   11.1   625   42.6   73.9   20.9   6.82
20   Crystal Palace   10.9   582   37.4   71.1   23.2   6.9

That's last season on possession. Surprised Southampton are top but I think my point stands.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: oldtimernow on August 26, 2014, 08:12:05 AM
Sorry but without headings that is absolutely meaningless to me.

My old Maths teacher HT would go off on one of his infamous tirades
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: john e on August 26, 2014, 08:53:41 AM
1   Southampton   14.1   600   58.6   81.4   17.3   6.91
2   Manchester City   17.7   721   57.6   86   15.2   7.09
3   Swansea   13   553   57.3   85.2   14.6   6.84
4   Arsenal   13.8   534   56.8   86   17.7   7.05
5   Liverpool   17.1   541   55.8   84.5   15.1   7.16
6   Everton   14.8   551   55.6   83.7   14.2   7.05
7   Manchester United   13.8   663   55.4   84.4   15.1   6.97
8   Chelsea   18.2   573   55.2   83.1   19.2   7.05
9   Tottenham   15.4   664   54.9   81.8   14.8   6.85
10   Newcastle United   15.2   536   49.3   80   20.4   6.84
11   Stoke   11.2   725   47.5   77.6   25.1   6.85
12   West Bromwich Albion   12.8   670   46.2   77.8   18   6.78
13   Sunderland   12.9   697   46.2   78.4   15   6.7
14   Norwich   12.3   622   45.7   76.8   15.8   6.68
15   Hull   11.2   534   45.3   76.9   18.9   6.76
16   Cardiff   11   501   44.7   76.3   18.5   6.68
17   Fulham   11.3   581   44.2   78.8   17   6.69
18   Aston Villa   11.3   780   43.8   73.9   19.2   6.74
19   West Ham   11.1   625   42.6   73.9   20.9   6.82
20   Crystal Palace   10.9   582   37.4   71.1   23.2   6.9

That's last season on possession. Surprised Southampton are top but I think my point stands.


Calling Alan Turing
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: oldtimernow on August 26, 2014, 09:13:57 AM
Ah yes     I see it now....call for the code breakers at Bletchley ...we may have a mole here
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: oldtimernow on August 26, 2014, 09:29:41 AM
 :-\
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Boz on August 26, 2014, 10:54:52 AM
True. But we still can't score when Newcastle have the ball. On an individual game possession stats are very unreliable. But over a season they are a great indicator of how well a team has done - only the two or three sides that are an exception (very possession orientated sides like Swansea or Everton; or long ball sides like west ham or palace) tend to have a different ranking from where they finish in the league.

We were 19th for possession last year. And top for long balls I think

Possession percentages would be more meaningful if they were shown in which half of the pitch they were. Possession in your own half is indicative of the other team not worrying about that, but possession in the opponents half would seem to be a much better indicator of how well from an attacking perspective the team are playing.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: manic-road on August 26, 2014, 12:34:21 PM
Possession stats can be pretty meaningless tbh, we were set up to be a counter attacking team for the last few years so it is extremely unlikely that we would ever dominate possession in the majority of games.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: tomd2103 on August 26, 2014, 01:05:21 PM
Back to Alan Hutton.  Isn't he another one who is out of contract at the end of this season? 
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: bobdylan on August 26, 2014, 01:23:45 PM
Back to Alan Hutton.  Isn't he another one who is out of contract at the end of this season? 

I think so, along with Herd, Bent, Gabby, Grealish, Vlaar, Delph, N'Zogbia and KEA I believe.  Stevens contract expires in January I think.  So that what 10 players out of contract in the next 9/10 months.  Next Summer will be massive as there is bound to be interest in Benteke also I would think so it's imperative the ownership situation is sorted by then.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: martin o`who?? on August 26, 2014, 01:47:47 PM
1   Southampton   14.1   600   58.6   81.4   17.3   6.91
2   Manchester City   17.7   721   57.6   86   15.2   7.09
3   Swansea   13   553   57.3   85.2   14.6   6.84
4   Arsenal   13.8   534   56.8   86   17.7   7.05
5   Liverpool   17.1   541   55.8   84.5   15.1   7.16
6   Everton   14.8   551   55.6   83.7   14.2   7.05
7   Manchester United   13.8   663   55.4   84.4   15.1   6.97
8   Chelsea   18.2   573   55.2   83.1   19.2   7.05
9   Tottenham   15.4   664   54.9   81.8   14.8   6.85
10   Newcastle United   15.2   536   49.3   80   20.4   6.84
11   Stoke   11.2   725   47.5   77.6   25.1   6.85
12   West Bromwich Albion   12.8   670   46.2   77.8   18   6.78
13   Sunderland   12.9   697   46.2   78.4   15   6.7
14   Norwich   12.3   622   45.7   76.8   15.8   6.68
15   Hull   11.2   534   45.3   76.9   18.9   6.76
16   Cardiff   11   501   44.7   76.3   18.5   6.68
17   Fulham   11.3   581   44.2   78.8   17   6.69
18   Aston Villa   11.3   780   43.8   73.9   19.2   6.74
19   West Ham   11.1   625   42.6   73.9   20.9   6.82
20   Crystal Palace   10.9   582   37.4   71.1   23.2   6.9

That's last season on possession. Surprised Southampton are top  but I think my point stands.
I`m not, they were superb, played the best football i saw all season away against Sunderland.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on August 26, 2014, 01:56:59 PM
Back to Alan Hutton.  Isn't he another one who is out of contract at the end of this season? 

I think so, along with Herd, Bent, Gabby, Grealish, Vlaar, Delph, N'Zogbia and KEA I believe.  Stevens contract expires in January I think.  So that what 10 players out of contract in the next 9/10 months.  Next Summer will be massive as there is bound to be interest in Benteke also I would think so it's imperative the ownership situation is sorted by then.

We should be in for a superb season with that little lot playing for a move/new contract ;-)
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 26, 2014, 02:23:54 PM
1   Southampton   14.1   600   58.6   81.4   17.3   6.91
2   Manchester City   17.7   721   57.6   86   15.2   7.09
3   Swansea   13   553   57.3   85.2   14.6   6.84
4   Arsenal   13.8   534   56.8   86   17.7   7.05
5   Liverpool   17.1   541   55.8   84.5   15.1   7.16
6   Everton   14.8   551   55.6   83.7   14.2   7.05
7   Manchester United   13.8   663   55.4   84.4   15.1   6.97
8   Chelsea   18.2   573   55.2   83.1   19.2   7.05
9   Tottenham   15.4   664   54.9   81.8   14.8   6.85
10   Newcastle United   15.2   536   49.3   80   20.4   6.84
11   Stoke   11.2   725   47.5   77.6   25.1   6.85
12   West Bromwich Albion   12.8   670   46.2   77.8   18   6.78
13   Sunderland   12.9   697   46.2   78.4   15   6.7
14   Norwich   12.3   622   45.7   76.8   15.8   6.68
15   Hull   11.2   534   45.3   76.9   18.9   6.76
16   Cardiff   11   501   44.7   76.3   18.5   6.68
17   Fulham   11.3   581   44.2   78.8   17   6.69
18   Aston Villa   11.3   780   43.8   73.9   19.2   6.74
19   West Ham   11.1   625   42.6   73.9   20.9   6.82
20   Crystal Palace   10.9   582   37.4   71.1   23.2   6.9

That's last season on possession. Surprised Southampton are top but I think my point stands.


Calling Alan Turing

Just tapped that out on my Morse Code Oscillator. No transfer news but I think I might have thwarted a German attack over Litchfield.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Matt Collins on August 26, 2014, 03:40:29 PM
The important stat is down the left hand side - the ranking.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: aj2k77 on August 26, 2014, 04:33:03 PM
Back to Alan Hutton.  Isn't he another one who is out of contract at the end of this season? 

I think so, along with Herd, Bent, Gabby, Grealish, Vlaar, Delph, N'Zogbia and KEA I believe.  Stevens contract expires in January I think.  So that what 10 players out of contract in the next 9/10 months.  Next Summer will be massive as there is bound to be interest in Benteke also I would think so it's imperative the ownership situation is sorted by then.

Delph, Vlaar and Grealish need new contracts asap. The rest..... there's got to be a £10m saving on wages to be made there. I'd have Gabby as an impact sub if he halved his wages but for anything like he's currently on, no chance.

As for Hutton, i'd be inclined to watch and wait.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: eamonn on August 26, 2014, 04:42:26 PM
 ;D
1   Southampton   14.1   600   58.6   81.4   17.3   6.91
2   Manchester City   17.7   721   57.6   86   15.2   7.09
3   Swansea   13   553   57.3   85.2   14.6   6.84
4   Arsenal   13.8   534   56.8   86   17.7   7.05
5   Liverpool   17.1   541   55.8   84.5   15.1   7.16
6   Everton   14.8   551   55.6   83.7   14.2   7.05
7   Manchester United   13.8   663   55.4   84.4   15.1   6.97
8   Chelsea   18.2   573   55.2   83.1   19.2   7.05
9   Tottenham   15.4   664   54.9   81.8   14.8   6.85
10   Newcastle United   15.2   536   49.3   80   20.4   6.84
11   Stoke   11.2   725   47.5   77.6   25.1   6.85
12   West Bromwich Albion   12.8   670   46.2   77.8   18   6.78
13   Sunderland   12.9   697   46.2   78.4   15   6.7
14   Norwich   12.3   622   45.7   76.8   15.8   6.68
15   Hull   11.2   534   45.3   76.9   18.9   6.76
16   Cardiff   11   501   44.7   76.3   18.5   6.68
17   Fulham   11.3   581   44.2   78.8   17   6.69
18   Aston Villa   11.3   780   43.8   73.9   19.2   6.74
19   West Ham   11.1   625   42.6   73.9   20.9   6.82
20   Crystal Palace   10.9   582   37.4   71.1   23.2   6.9

That's last season on possession. Surprised Southampton are top but I think my point stands.


Calling Alan Turing

Just tapped that out on my Morse Code Oscillator. No transfer news but I think I might have thwarted a German attack over Litchfield.

Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Mister E on August 26, 2014, 04:56:29 PM
Ah yes     I see it now....call for the code breakers at Bletchley ...we may have a mole here
This was a 'laugh out loud' post!
Thanks, OTN.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Dave on September 05, 2014, 08:04:06 AM
So, assuming he keeps up this level of performance - at what point (if any) do we think about offering him a new contract?
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: sid1964 on September 05, 2014, 08:13:05 AM
So after 3 half decent games, we should now offer the clogger a new contract! - lets wait until the end of the season before deciding, I cant imagine a queue of clubs wanting his signature  (none have so far)

For me he is average at best, against Hull he got the ball with space in front of him to run into and decided to slow down the attack and pass the ball sideways.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: DrGonzo on September 05, 2014, 08:26:15 AM
 He hasn't, however, committed a massive scything challenge that threatens to break an opponent's legs, nor attempted a cheeky handball inside the penalty area.  Defensively he has been much more solid than Lowton or Bacuna were last season, which is the primary function of a defender after all.  I'm hoping that the last 2 years have been a wake up call to him, I don't blindly believe that he has become the answer to all our problems, but if he maintains this level of performance he will certainly be a useful player for us.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Tony Erdington on September 05, 2014, 09:00:46 AM
Agreed, his game has improved, and he is certainly a better option than we have had for the last few years. where we are now Alan is good enough.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: eamonn on September 05, 2014, 09:23:37 AM
I never thought he was as bad as a lot of people on here made out. Neither do I think he's good enough to think about offering a new deal yet. If we do, he'd realistically be taking a big pay-cut.
Anyway, he's playing for one last decent deal before he retires so at least the onus is on him to do his best every week.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: peter w on September 05, 2014, 11:02:11 AM
So, assuming he keeps up this level of performance - at what point (if any) do we think about offering him a new contract?

Still not sure that I would. Only 3 games in and defensively he has been sound but hasn't been an option going forward and has at times slowed up play by not linking down the right well enough. Pleased for the upturn in form but I still hope to see a new right-back next season at this point.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: mattjpa on September 15, 2014, 01:51:15 PM
I'd offer him a 2year extension on drastically reduced wages. He has been superb, what would we have to lose?
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 15, 2014, 01:59:45 PM
Yes I am sure that conversation will go down well.

Lambert-"Hey Alan here's a deal you can't refuse. I know you have been brilliant this season so far and arguably amongst the best full backs in the PL. I know we have also royally fucked you around for the last two years and you've remained professional about it. How about sticking around for another two seasons and taking a 50% pay cut?"

Hutton - silence, click

Lambert - "Alan...Alan..."
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Dave on September 15, 2014, 01:59:57 PM
I agree with Peter.

We could barely give him away for the last couple of years, so I can't imagine the world will be beating a path to his door in January. I reckon around then if he's keeping up this level of form then we offer either a 12 month or a 24 month extension.

If then choose not to (or we do and he decides not to sign), then he'd leave with my best wishes.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 15, 2014, 02:48:57 PM
Yes I am sure that conversation will go down well.

Lambert-"Hey Alan here's a deal you can't refuse. I know you have been brilliant this season so far and arguably amongst the best full backs in the PL. I know we have also royally fucked you around for the last two years and you've remained professional about it. How about sticking around for another two seasons and taking a 50% pay cut?"

Hutton - silence, click

Lambert - "Alan...Alan..."

I agree with you on that, but would flag up that being great for four games is one thing, let's see how things pan out for a bit longer before deciding he's really the Scottish Cafu**

** I know you're not implying he is that good, I just like saying "The Scottish Cafu"
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on September 15, 2014, 03:29:58 PM
Yes I am sure that conversation will go down well.

Lambert-"Hey Alan here's a deal you can't refuse. I know you have been brilliant this season so far and arguably amongst the best full backs in the PL. I know we have also royally fucked you around for the last two years and you've remained professional about it. How about sticking around for another two seasons and taking a 50% pay cut?"

Hutton - silence, click

Lambert - "Alan...Alan..."

I agree with you on that, but would flag up that being great for four games is one thing, let's see how things pan out for a bit longer before deciding he's really the Scottish Cafu**

** I know you're not implying he is that good, I just like saying "The Scottish Cafu"

Surely the time to move him on, is when we have a better replacement.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 15, 2014, 04:17:59 PM
Yes I am sure that conversation will go down well.

Lambert-"Hey Alan here's a deal you can't refuse. I know you have been brilliant this season so far and arguably amongst the best full backs in the PL. I know we have also royally fucked you around for the last two years and you've remained professional about it. How about sticking around for another two seasons and taking a 50% pay cut?"

Hutton - silence, click

Lambert - "Alan...Alan..."

I agree with you on that, but would flag up that being great for four games is one thing, let's see how things pan out for a bit longer before deciding he's really the Scottish Cafu**

** I know you're not implying he is that good, I just like saying "The Scottish Cafu"

Surely the time to move him on, is when we have a better replacement.

I don't think it's that simple. He's out of contract at the end of this season, so it'll be a "keep him or let him go" decision of some sort.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on September 15, 2014, 05:00:10 PM
Yes I am sure that conversation will go down well.

Lambert-"Hey Alan here's a deal you can't refuse. I know you have been brilliant this season so far and arguably amongst the best full backs in the PL. I know we have also royally fucked you around for the last two years and you've remained professional about it. How about sticking around for another two seasons and taking a 50% pay cut?"

Hutton - silence, click

Lambert - "Alan...Alan..."

I agree with you on that, but would flag up that being great for four games is one thing, let's see how things pan out for a bit longer before deciding he's really the Scottish Cafu**

** I know you're not implying he is that good, I just like saying "The Scottish Cafu"

Surely the time to move him on, is when we have a better replacement.

I don't think it's that simple. He's out of contract at the end of this season, so it'll be a "keep him or let him go" decision of some sort.

At least it'll be our choice to offer a new contract or look for better.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Mortimer's Bear on September 16, 2014, 03:03:25 PM
3 year contract signed!
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: damon loves JT on September 16, 2014, 03:06:13 PM
Blimey.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 16, 2014, 03:06:16 PM
Wow, good for him. He's deserved it on his play and attitude. I'm glad we are starting to address contracts now. The three big ones are still out there though so it's still itchy bums time until they are addressed.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Quiet Lion on September 16, 2014, 03:11:15 PM
Never thought that would happen...

https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/511877074416861185
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: phantom limb on September 16, 2014, 03:11:26 PM
This is...unexpected. Fair play to him though, I think he's started well this season since coming back.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: supertom on September 16, 2014, 03:11:54 PM
Wow that's surprising. I don't think his ability has ever been in question. He had a shitter of a season under McLeish, we all know that, but of course, who didn't. That said, defensively he's never been worse than Lowton, and Bacuna (most games). I just think under McLeish the focus on Hutton was always defending because he was never allowed the freedom, due to our dour play, to go beyond the half way line. He's had far more attacking freedom this season for us, and it's allowed him to do what he did at Rangers and for Scotland, which is to provide plenty of running down the right. Hutton's a useful attacking option. If he reigns in crazy tackles and handballs that blighted him under TSM, then he'll do well. Lowton and Bacuna's attacking output in their respective good spells obviously papered over a lot of severe defensive cracks it must be said. Defensively, Hutton is a far stronger and assured hand. He's not a brilliant player by any means, but he's a Prem quality fullback.

Is it a bit too early to have offered him the deal? Probably. But on the pre and early season form, he's looked solid. Long may it continue.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 16, 2014, 03:13:49 PM
3 year contract signed!

Ha ha

This club is so unpredictable, nothing would surprise me, nothing.

I don't think I'd bat an eyelid if we announced we were going to play all our games riding Segways, or that we'd signed Professor Wolfgang Schnell BSc. PhD from Fulchester United.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Ron Manager on September 16, 2014, 03:15:26 PM
Er..Randy seems to be showing an interest again judging by recent events. Which means either he cannot find a buyer or he has decided to give it a further go. Actually I hope he stays but backs his management team with a little more finance.

Well done Alan.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: mrastonvilla on September 16, 2014, 03:21:24 PM
Some weird goings on over the last couple of weeks. Offering £8m for a player in a deal that looks likely to go through in January and now handing a member of the bomb squad a new contract.

Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 16, 2014, 03:24:16 PM
The bomb squad is a thing of the past never to be spoken of again. The pages literally ripped out of all text books. Teachers and parents imprisoned for even mentioning the very term or referencing the era. Thought police employed to monitor underground movements and quell uprisings.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: Matt C on September 16, 2014, 03:26:14 PM
'Turnaround' doesn't do it justice.

How old is he?
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 16, 2014, 03:27:19 PM
Hope he keeps his level up now. Now get Delph and Grealish signed on.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 16, 2014, 03:29:27 PM
'Turnaround' doesn't do it justice.

How old is he?

30 in November.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 16, 2014, 03:30:12 PM
It is a bizarre one.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 16, 2014, 03:31:03 PM
Hope he keeps his level up now. Now get Delph and Grealish signed on.

I think anyone who has come back from where he's been to be in the shape that he's in and to show the attitude he has will do everything to maintain his level of performances. He'll also have an eye on the European championships and playing as well as possible to keep his Scotland place. Given the new format they will have a good chance to qualify.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: Goldie.7 on September 16, 2014, 03:32:03 PM
He's been good so far this season. 3 years though?
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: RussellC on September 16, 2014, 03:34:29 PM
To be honest, with the way he's been playing, I fully expected us to offer him an extension at some point, but not this early and not necessarily for 3 years! Oh well, if nothing else, it shows that there's pro-activity behind the scenes again.

Fingers crossed that this is the first of a number of renewals.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: PGW on September 16, 2014, 03:35:23 PM
This news does not warrant being part of the BBC football news on their website, just writing about a possible contract extension
for Eden Hazard......when are these media outlets gonna cover ALL the potential Champions league teams on an equal footing!!!!
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: Clampy on September 16, 2014, 03:36:46 PM
Yep, that's surprised me as well or maybe the length of it has, i don't know. Either way, i didn't see that one coming.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on September 16, 2014, 03:38:28 PM
3 (THREE) years?  Jesus!
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: ozzjim on September 16, 2014, 03:41:04 PM
Fox clearly has a taste for Mutton
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: Tony Erdington on September 16, 2014, 03:46:27 PM
He's started on fire, and some of us were very up beat about him from the friendly, this certainly shows comitment from above to the stability of the club.

if Alan Hutton continues in this vain though , there will be other pursuers, so Good move imo.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: Dr Butler on September 16, 2014, 03:52:46 PM
is this a 3 year contract on top of what he has left or a total of 3 years ?

in my opinion he has been solid and that is what we needed right now, so a reward for putting the hard work in is not unrealistic...just my opinion :)

UTV
The Doc

Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: simon ward 50 on September 16, 2014, 04:04:05 PM
Well who saw this one coming then?
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: supertom on September 16, 2014, 04:14:35 PM
What next? New 5 year deal for Given?  ;)
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: chrisw1 on September 16, 2014, 04:17:19 PM
Fair play Alan.  Stayed dignified when frozen out and took his chance with both hands when offered it.   I'm pleased for him.

Part of me thinks we should have waited, but if he'd kept up the form and we lost him on a free I guess we'd be dissapointed. 

Bit of a gamble though - we'll look very silly if his form dips.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: Legion on September 16, 2014, 04:33:03 PM
Wow.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: The Left Side on September 16, 2014, 04:48:55 PM
Well done Alan and Villa, who would of thought that would be the next contract signed... now Fantastic Mr. Fox go and get you Fabian and Jack signed up and Ron too!
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: kiddylion on September 16, 2014, 04:51:19 PM
FairPlay to him he's obviously knuckled down  pre season & really worked hard.
Despite his treatment he never publicly slagged the club off(no doubt as he was still getting extremely well paid)
FairPlay also to lambert as he's had to sollow his pride in this abit I think but looks more like he was following orders from above
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on September 16, 2014, 04:52:33 PM
Fairplay Alan. A true professional.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: Tuscans on September 16, 2014, 04:54:24 PM
Let's be honest, out of the 2 right backs he bought he always had the best one here already. ( Not top class but will do for us and where we are).

And Aly is an absolute steal....again, 3 left backs later he get's it right.

Good on you Alan.

Now get Vlaar, Delph and Grealish on bumper deals please.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: SamTheMouse on September 16, 2014, 05:16:57 PM
I think this season we're finally seeing what Hutton's capable of. I remember watching him for Scotland against France several years ago, and he was the best player on the pitch. Now we've seen first hand what he really can do, and given the way he's applied himself following the stupid bomb squad fiasco, it's just a matter of him maintaining that level. I think he's worth his new contract.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: Diablo on September 16, 2014, 05:18:43 PM
Fair play to Hutton his attitude and application has been excellent (and on a personal level I think he deserves some good news after his appalling treatment from his employer). 3 years seems extremely generous bordering on foolish though. There's obviously been a dramatic change behind the scenes at the club. Fingers crossed it will lead to better results on the pitch.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: godzvilla on September 16, 2014, 05:23:16 PM
Who,d a thunk it ?!
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on September 16, 2014, 05:41:17 PM
Well deserved. And a great example to the rest of the squad that getting your head down and having a professional attitude pays .........
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: Damo70 on September 16, 2014, 05:59:34 PM
I think this season we're finally seeing what Hutton's capable of. I remember watching him for Scotland against France several years ago, and he was the best player on the pitch. Now we've seen first hand what he really can do, and given the way he's applied himself following the stupid bomb squad fiasco, it's just a matter of him maintaining that level. I think he's worth his new contract.

I thought he was a really good player for Rangers and Scotland and a good signing for Spurs. But I think he picked up a bad injury very early on in his time there. He then looked average on loan at Sunderland and worse than average in  his season with us. I don't know how well he played out on loan but he has been very good this season so far.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: manic-road on September 16, 2014, 06:42:01 PM
3 (THREE) years?  Jesus!

No not Jesus but Alan Hutton.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: Chris Jameson on September 16, 2014, 06:56:29 PM
It's a bizarre one, I'm pleased for him because he's been excellent this season and didn't create any problems when he was so shoddily treated by the club but I really don't understand why the club were prepared to pay him for not being around the first team for the past two seasons. I can see him becoming a real cult hero this season.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: john e on September 16, 2014, 07:04:27 PM
Never thought this would please me
But it does
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: Risso on September 16, 2014, 07:15:24 PM
Never thought this would please me
But it does

Same here.  The way Hutton has got on with things has been exemplary.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on September 16, 2014, 07:19:38 PM
Credit where it's due - he's never moaned, got on with being loaned out where he played well (I believe Mallorca and Bolton wanted to keep him - but couldn't afford his wages), and he's maintained a high standard when playing for Scotland. Strachan couldn't believe that he wasn't first choice at VP last season.
He's been really excellent so far this season  - strong in defence, good going forward and no pushover when it comes to face to face clashes - just hope he can keep it going for the next 3 years!

Now Mr Fox, can we please have Delph, Vlaar and Grealish signed up!
UTV!
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: dave shelley on September 16, 2014, 07:22:35 PM
Irrespective of what many perceive to be his abilities as a footballer, his attitude to the whole bomb squad episode as has been mentioned many times, does him nothing but credit.  I hope he goes from strength to strength.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: Pete3206 on September 16, 2014, 07:29:47 PM
I'm Gobsmacked
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: TopDeck113 on September 16, 2014, 07:40:01 PM
Never thought this would please me
But it does

Same here.  The way Hutton has got on with things has been exemplary.

Agreed.  Just hope that now that his future is tied up that attitude continues.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: London Villan on September 16, 2014, 07:53:15 PM
As a level of surrealness this must rate quite highly.

I don't want to moan, because we are on a good run... but I'd love some questions to be asked and more importantly answered.

Why after he was rightly dropped was he not given a chance for two years? Even more so when we were desperate for a physical presence in the defence? On who's orders was he bombed out?

When the club is penny-pinching why no use the assets at you disposal?

Astonishing turnaround... mirroring Lambert's/the club's massive u-turn in terms of player purchase strategy.




Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: Legion on September 16, 2014, 07:54:28 PM
It's mad, isn't it? There must have been something quite major going on behind the scenes.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: London Villan on September 16, 2014, 07:56:49 PM
Another chapter to add to: Aston Villa - The Strange Years...
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: richardhubbard on September 16, 2014, 08:03:21 PM
Alan never slated the fans , the club or lambert and when got his chance this season been very good so I hope he continues in this way now
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: N'Rexy on September 16, 2014, 08:03:43 PM
They were worried about securing him in the event of a Yes vote on thursday.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: London Villan on September 16, 2014, 08:05:19 PM
Alan never slated the fans , the club or lambert and when got his chance this season been very good so I hope he continues in this way now

And he  would have had grounds to at least have a dig at the manager. Then, when you are being paid £40k a week, not to do a jot of work for two years, it's a bit easier to keep quiet.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: cdward on September 16, 2014, 08:13:38 PM
I can't help but think, the whole bomb squad thing was Faulkeners idea.
Never expected this one, truly bizarre, didn't we loan him to Forest last year, now give him a 3 year deal.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: London Villan on September 16, 2014, 08:18:06 PM
Are these Lambert's decisions?

The majority of his players, bought before Keane's arrival, have been sold/loaned/dropped from squad.

The profile of the players have gone from his young, inexperienced and un-proven to solid, experienced players.

The bomb squad members that were considered only good enough for the reserves are now back in the squad and earning new contracts...

Makes you think.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: john e on September 16, 2014, 08:18:14 PM
I don't think Faulkener had much influence on playing matters, I know he's become a bit of a scapegoat
But Lamberts his own man, he would not be dictated to by a CEO about who to play and who not to, I am pretty sure of that,

Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: damon loves JT on September 16, 2014, 08:21:57 PM
I have followed the Villa all my life and still have no idea what is going on.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: olaftab on September 16, 2014, 08:27:26 PM
Lambert is clearly not "his own man" otherwise we wouldn't have this ridiculous situation where a player is effectively on gardening leave for two years to run out his contract and as soon as that is about to happen gets another 3 year contract. Mind boggling.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: Legion on September 16, 2014, 08:28:16 PM
I have followed the Villa all my life and still have no idea what is going on.

All your life? PAH! I've followed them before I was even born, you part-timer, you.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: Risso on September 16, 2014, 08:29:55 PM
I don't think Faulkener had much influence on playing matters, I know he's become a bit of a scapegoat
But Lamberts his own man, he would not be dictated to by a CEO about who to play and who not to, I am pretty sure of that,



But Lambert hinted at the fact from the word go that the Hutton "situation" was down to money.  Why would a manager like Lambert, or any other manager come to that, just ostracise a player like Hutton before he'd even seen him play?

Whoever did have the idea, it was utterly baffling, and made sense on no level whatsoever.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: supertom on September 16, 2014, 08:32:39 PM
I don't think Faulkener had much influence on playing matters, I know he's become a bit of a scapegoat
But Lamberts his own man, he would not be dictated to by a CEO about who to play and who not to, I am pretty sure of that,


I do wonder about Faulkners stance on player contracts though. We seem to be a lot more active in sorting out players contracts now that Faulkner has gone, whereas previously that side seemed to have ground to a halt. Somewhere along the line he's had a difference of opinion with Randy and/or Lambert, making his position untenable.
It just seems a little funny the way we've turned back round from the bomb squad, and are also dealing with contracts now that PF is out the door.
Conversely it might also be because Randy is resigned to the fact he's here for the foreseeable future, and he can't just leave them for the next owner.
Whatever the truth though, Faulkners legacy here (or timing) has been mostly negative.
That Hutton and Given, and to a lesser extent Zogbia and Bent don't seem to have a problem with Lambert personally says a little.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: London Villan on September 16, 2014, 08:33:37 PM
We were paying his wages whether he played or not? Let alone no involvement for two years. Now he'll still be on the same deal? None of it adds up. It would be nice to get an explanation.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: silhillvilla on September 16, 2014, 08:36:28 PM
Tales of the Unexpected .
Series 3 - Hutton's New Contract
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: rob_bridge on September 16, 2014, 08:37:02 PM
And the 5 years of Madness is yet to cease.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: Legion on September 16, 2014, 08:37:42 PM
Which Circle of Hell are we in now?
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: LeeB on September 16, 2014, 08:41:29 PM
Which Circle of Hell are we in now?

2nd.

(lust, grrr)
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 16, 2014, 08:44:33 PM
I don't think Faulkener had much influence on playing matters, I know he's become a bit of a scapegoat
But Lamberts his own man, he would not be dictated to by a CEO about who to play and who not to, I am pretty sure of that,



But Lambert hinted at the fact from the word go that the Hutton "situation" was down to money.  Why would a manager like Lambert, or any other manager come to that, just ostracise a player like Hutton before he'd even seen him play?

Whoever did have the idea, it was utterly baffling, and made sense on no level whatsoever.

He didn't even just hint at it, he came out and said quite clearly that that was what it was about.

I don't imagine for a second that was a decision the manager made, it will have been passed down.

It's great that we've got him playing again and that he's doing well so far, but it makes you wonder, what kind of management fuckwittery was it that meant we paid his wages for almost the entirety of two years and just left him training with the kids that whole time.

The entire bomb squad thing was just beyond idiotic.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: Matt C on September 16, 2014, 08:46:40 PM
Here it is: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/26283320
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: silhillvilla on September 16, 2014, 08:48:13 PM
The bit I never got was if you've got to pay the wages anyway may aswell have at least played the players or had them as an option. To castigate the likes of Hutton Zog and given for a year was non sensical.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: Rudy65 on September 16, 2014, 08:55:22 PM
It's mad, isn't it? There must have been something quite major going on behind the scenes.

I reckon Randy has said PL needs to reinstate the bomb squad and bury the hatchet particularly with the likes of Hutton. He has done so, and so far, its worked a treat.

Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on September 16, 2014, 08:56:59 PM
The strategy is based on them not getting appearance money and they get so pissed off they leave.

This strategy was first tested with Bogardt at Chelsea who could be seen by his team mates walking his dog around Imperial College sports ground whilst they were running around getting fit.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: Damo70 on September 16, 2014, 09:00:39 PM
Whether it was Lerner, Faulkner or Lambert or an agreement between any combination of them it didn't make sense either financially or from a football point of view. To be fair we don't know exactly how much money we saved from loaning Given, Hutton and Bent out for spells or the loan fees involved, but surely having them as part of the squad whilst having them available for transfer would have aided the team in the short term and been more financially beneficial in the long term by them possibly getting a permanent move and us getting the transfer fees. Wolves have been doing the same for the last year or so. But they are paying Roger Johnson without even considering him for selection, O'Hara left by mutual consent which I doubt he would have done without getting some or all of his contract paid up and Kenny Jackett was complaining about their lack of goals. But they let Kevin Doyle go out to Palace on loan without him ever being considered as a possibility this season.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 16, 2014, 09:02:10 PM
The bit I never got was if you've got to pay the wages anyway may aswell have at least played the players or had them as an option. To castigate the likes of Hutton Zog and given for a year was non sensical.

I don't know about N'Zogbia as he was injured anyway, but yes, I agree.

All clubs have players they want rid of. Not many of them refuse to pick them and just leave them training with the kids. I'm not sure how that was ever expected to work, to be honest.

Borrini at Liverpool, for example, told explicity by Rodgers that he won't be part of his plans. I note he came on on Saturday.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on September 16, 2014, 09:02:35 PM
Whether it was Lerner, Faulkner or Lambert or an agreement between any combination of them it didn't make sense either financially or from a football point of view. To be fair we don't know exactly how much money we saved from loaning Given, Hutton and Bent out for spells or the loan fees involved, but surely having them as part of the squad whilst having them available for transfer would have aided the team in the short term and been more financially beneficial in the long term by them possibly getting a permanent move and us getting the transfer fees. Wolves have been doing the same for the last year or so. But they are paying Roger Johnson without even considering him for selection, O'Hara left by mutual consent which I doubt he would have done without getting some or all of his contract paid up and Kenny Jackett was complaining about their lack of goals. But they let Kevin Doyle go out to Palace on loan without him ever being considered as a possibility this season.
Who are these Wolves people you speak of?
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: Mister E on September 16, 2014, 09:03:30 PM

The entire bomb squad thing was just beyond idiotic.
This.
When the team was struggling so obviously last season, it was irresponsible of the decision-makers to ignore the experience of the bomb-squadders,
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: London Villan on September 16, 2014, 09:04:05 PM
But appearance money will only be a fraction of their wages... and they are all back in the first team squad now. It would be good to have some answers.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: E I Adio on September 16, 2014, 09:09:48 PM
I don't think Faulkener had much influence on playing matters, I know he's become a bit of a scapegoat
But Lamberts his own man, he would not be dictated to by a CEO about who to play and who not to, I am pretty sure of that,



But Lambert hinted at the fact from the word go that the Hutton "situation" was down to money.  Why would a manager like Lambert, or any other manager come to that, just ostracise a player like Hutton before he'd even seen him play?

Whoever did have the idea, it was utterly baffling, and made sense on no level whatsoever.

He didn't even just hint at it, he came out and said quite clearly that that was what it was about.

I don't imagine for a second that was a decision the manager made, it will have been passed down.

It's great that we've got him playing again and that he's doing well so far, but it makes you wonder, what kind of management fuckwittery was it that meant we paid his wages for almost the entirety of two years and just left him training with the kids that whole time.

The entire bomb squad thing was just beyond idiotic.

Is it just a coincidence that the bomb squad has been rehabilitated now that Faulkner has gone?

As to the motive, was it simply to reduce the wage bill? Sounds barmy since when selling something it's always a good idea to put your goods in the shop window, not hide them away out of sight and out of mind.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: Damo70 on September 16, 2014, 09:11:04 PM
The strategy is based on them not getting appearance money and they get so pissed off they leave.

This strategy was first tested with Bogardt at Chelsea who could be seen by his team mates walking his dog around Imperial College sports ground whilst they were running around getting fit.

I think there was definitely a freeze them out so they will even drop a division and take a pay cut just to play football again plan involved. Which was as 100% foolproof as a Baldrick cunning plan.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 16, 2014, 09:12:31 PM
We're all talking about Hutton, but the case of Given is even more weird.

From the bomb squad and number three goalkeeper, then briefly on the bench as a member of the coaching team, now last season's number two keeper, Steer, is off on loan and Given is back to being our number two.

Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: London Villan on September 16, 2014, 09:14:49 PM
Worked a treat didn't it...

Hutton, CNZ, Bent, Given £200k-£250k a week on the bench... for a club with no money and breaking all the wrong records... utter madness. (add in Dunne and his injury and miraculous Whitsun recovery and it takes it up to £300k for that first year.)
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: silhillvilla on September 16, 2014, 09:17:24 PM
Given went from bomb squad to senior head coach overnight, as you do.

The other bit about bomb squad approach,
It's the effect on overall morale. Cannot be good, clearly wasn't.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: manic-road on September 16, 2014, 09:23:03 PM
Fair play to Hutton, never once publicly moaned, he has praised Lambert for the way the manager has kept him informed about what's happening at the club for the last couple of years and now he has so far taken his chance this season with decent performances for club and country.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: Steve67 on September 16, 2014, 09:25:52 PM
Playing well. Takes no shit from the opposition. Glad he plays for us rather than against.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: john e on September 16, 2014, 09:53:48 PM
Hutton was pretty poor, in fact worse than that up till this season,

Ok hes gone through some sort of supernatural conversion into a decent full back,
but anyone pretending that he was class and was dropped just because he was payed to much is laughable, he was absolute rubbish most of the the time

I know what Lambert said, but as with all the bomb squad they were not producing for their wages,
He is the only one who has made it back to any great degree, And credit to him, he has proved me totally wrong and I dare say many of the management team as well

So do you think we will be renewing Bents contract or Given, maybe bring Warnock back ?

This bomb squad thing is being exaggerated, it's one player that's turned it round, that's it, the others are just back in the training fold, but not really contributing even now for the money they are payed

Lambert would have been in full agreement with the young and hungry thing, so was I at the time, it didn't work and fair enough he's changed direction and it's so far come good
But to blame Faulkener for all past ills is just rediculous

Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: dicedlam on September 16, 2014, 09:59:26 PM
We were paying his wages whether he played or not? Let alone no involvement for two years. Now he'll still be on the same deal? None of it adds up. It would be nice to get an explanation.

How do you know its the same deal?

I would hazard a guess and say that Hutton has taken a pay cut in exchange for a longer contract.


Nice one Alan and the way you are playing. Deserved.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: olaftab on September 16, 2014, 09:59:30 PM
I think a 12 month  contract would have been ok not 36. Priority should be Delph and Vlaar not the right back.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: silhillvilla on September 16, 2014, 10:03:06 PM
I think a 12 month  contract would have been ok not 36. Priority should be Delph and Vlaar not the right back.
Why ? If he keeps playing like he is Yanited or similar will be in With a £28m bid
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: London Villan on September 16, 2014, 10:07:45 PM
We were paying his wages whether he played or not? Let alone no involvement for two years. Now he'll still be on the same deal? None of it adds up. It would be nice to get an explanation.

How do you know its the same deal?

I would hazard a guess and say that Hutton has taken a pay cut in exchange for a longer contract.


Nice one Alan and the way you are playing. Deserved.


He has a year left on an existing deal, i would guess he wouldnt have signed a deal where he took a paycut before his current deal expired. Its probably a staged deal.

Yes he has played well in four games and has been rightly praised. My question is that what on earth has gone on for two years and why does a spell of four good games deserve a three year deal?
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: silhillvilla on September 16, 2014, 10:10:17 PM
The players are assetts though. On the balance sheet aswell as on the pitch. Letting players walk or leave for a pittance is not great business. Tom Fox is doing the basics first before moving on to other matters.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: dicedlam on September 16, 2014, 10:11:20 PM
I think a 12 month  contract would have been ok not 36. Priority should be Delph and Vlaar not the right back.

Agree, but how do you know deals have not been put to both Delph and Vlaar?

Not for one minute do I think that Hutton has been a priority. It is just that the contract put infront of him at this time is acceptable to him at this stage of his career.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: Risso on September 16, 2014, 10:12:34 PM
I think a 12 month  contract would have been ok not 36. Priority should be Delph and Vlaar not the right back.

Two things on that:

I don't think for a second that Hutton's negotiations will in anyway have slowed down any talks (if indeed, any have happened) with Delph and Vlaar, and in my opinion, the more players who sign new contracts, the more there's a feeling that people want to stay, the greater the chance that players like Vlaar and Delph might want to be part of it.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 16, 2014, 10:26:53 PM
I know what Lambert said, but as with all the bomb squad they were not producing for their wages,
He is the only one who has made it back to any great degree, And credit to him, he has proved me totally wrong and I dare say many of the management team as well

How are they meant to "produce" when they're not even being considered for selection?

And if we're going to start pointing at players who don't produce, that would have meant almost the entire squad after the McLeish year.

He's also not the only one to make it back. Given is the number two goalkeeper and Bent is available for selection and has featured this season.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: curiousorange on September 16, 2014, 10:29:52 PM
The fact that Hutton has a new contract is somewhat surprising, but what's even more surprising is that he is playing well enough to justify the offer. Before this season, I was firm in my belief that he was one of the worst players I've ever seen at the Villa. Somebody said earlier that his conversion bordered on the supernatural, and the improvement is indeed impressive.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: silhillvilla on September 16, 2014, 10:32:12 PM
Think we need an accountant to explain the business side of these decisions , particularly with a club up for sale, due diligence, the balance sheet , EBITDA tc etc.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: PeterWithe on September 16, 2014, 10:34:54 PM
Hmmm, hes been superb this season but im not sure about offering a new deal four games in.

Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: adrenachrome on September 16, 2014, 10:37:41 PM
We were paying his wages whether he played or not? Let alone no involvement for two years. Now he'll still be on the same deal? None of it adds up. It would be nice to get an explanation.

How do you know its the same deal?

I would hazard a guess and say that Hutton has taken a pay cut in exchange for a longer contract.


Nice one Alan and the way you are playing. Deserved.

I agree. The guy clearly has his financial head screwed on and has been playing the long game.

Fair play to him. Following the turnaround in development strategy by the club his patience and commitment to staying fit has payed off.

 
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 16, 2014, 10:42:38 PM
The fact that Hutton has a new contract is somewhat surprising, but what's even more surprising is that he is playing well enough to justify the offer. Before this season, I was firm in my belief that he was one of the worst players I've ever seen at the Villa. Somebody said earlier that his conversion bordered on the supernatural, and the improvement is indeed impressive.

It is, but it is only four games.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: john e on September 16, 2014, 10:45:42 PM
I know what Lambert said, but as with all the bomb squad they were not producing for their wages,
He is the only one who has made it back to any great degree, And credit to him, he has proved me totally wrong and I dare say many of the management team as well

How are they meant to "produce" when they're not even being considered for selection?

And if we're going to start pointing at players who don't produce, that would have meant almost the entire squad after the McLeish year.

He's also not the only one to make it back. Given is the number two goalkeeper and Bent is available for selection and has featured this season.

Like I said, you going to offer them new contracts then ?
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: brontebilly on September 16, 2014, 11:17:53 PM
bonkers deal, fair play to Hutton but 12 month extension would have been more than sufficient.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: dave.woodhall on September 16, 2014, 11:19:35 PM
bonkers deal, fair play to Hutton but 12 month extension would have been more than sufficient.

Which he would have probably turned down and gone somewhere else.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 16, 2014, 11:21:09 PM
I know what Lambert said, but as with all the bomb squad they were not producing for their wages,
He is the only one who has made it back to any great degree, And credit to him, he has proved me totally wrong and I dare say many of the management team as well

How are they meant to "produce" when they're not even being considered for selection?

And if we're going to start pointing at players who don't produce, that would have meant almost the entire squad after the McLeish year.

He's also not the only one to make it back. Given is the number two goalkeeper and Bent is available for selection and has featured this season.

Like I said, you going to offer them new contracts then ?

I genuinely don't see the point you're trying to make, John.

They're not some sort of "bloc" who all need to get the same treatment, they're players who should be considered on their individual merits. Given is clearly not going to get one, given his age, for example.

However, if we decide, actually, we do want to use Hutton, then there is going to be a question over how we can go on using him, and seeing him perform well, and not offer him a new deal, and just let him walk away at the end of the season.

We've watched way too many players walk away for nothing over recent years. Maybe this is a move towards stopping that in the case of one of the players.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: jeowje on September 16, 2014, 11:21:30 PM
New contracts being signed/offered left, right and centre coupled with the signings and financial committments associated with Cleverley and Sanchez would suggest that something in the background has changed more dramatically than merely appointing a new ceo perhaps?
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 16, 2014, 11:23:11 PM
New contracts being signed/offered left, right and centre coupled with the signings and financial committments associated with Cleverley and Sanchez would suggest that something in the background has changed more dramatically than merely appointing a new ceo perhaps?

I don't think so.

Let's not forget, we've just spent 7m in the summer transfer window. That's not the sign of an enormous investment in the club, nor is offering new contracts to our best players.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: danno on September 16, 2014, 11:38:10 PM
Bit surprising but on reflection its money we'd have probably spent finding his replacement.

and there's certainly no guarantee we'd find better for the same amount of investment.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: Risso on September 16, 2014, 11:43:42 PM
I know what Lambert said, but as with all the bomb squad they were not producing for their wages,
He is the only one who has made it back to any great degree, And credit to him, he has proved me totally wrong and I dare say many of the management team as well

How are they meant to "produce" when they're not even being considered for selection?

And if we're going to start pointing at players who don't produce, that would have meant almost the entire squad after the McLeish year.

He's also not the only one to make it back. Given is the number two goalkeeper and Bent is available for selection and has featured this season.

Hutton was given short shrift before they'd even played the first pre-season friendly.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: Risso on September 16, 2014, 11:45:18 PM
The fact that Hutton has a new contract is somewhat surprising, but what's even more surprising is that he is playing well enough to justify the offer. Before this season, I was firm in my belief that he was one of the worst players I've ever seen at the Villa. Somebody said earlier that his conversion bordered on the supernatural, and the improvement is indeed impressive.

It is, but it is only four games.

He's a much better defender than either Lowton or Bacuna.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: jeowje on September 16, 2014, 11:56:55 PM
New contracts being signed/offered left, right and centre coupled with the signings and financial committments associated with Cleverley and Sanchez would suggest that something in the background has changed more dramatically than merely appointing a new ceo perhaps?

I don't think so.

Let's not forget, we've just spent 7m in the summer transfer window. That's not the sign of an enormous investment in the club, nor is offering new contracts to our best players.

True, but if we believe press reports that would have doubled had we signed cleverley permanently. Though offering ctracts ought to be a formailty/priority, there were signs that it wasnt previously. Perhaps it's just a relief then rather than a notably positive development, but it pleases me to see some activity behind the scenes at last.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: Drummond on September 17, 2014, 07:54:51 AM
We don't know the value of the deal. My guess would be that it is substantially lower than he was on before, and at a level that would have attracted other clubs.

Still, 4 games in is bloody quick.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: brontebilly on September 17, 2014, 08:06:33 AM
bonkers deal, fair play to Hutton but 12 month extension would have been more than sufficient.

Which he would have probably turned down and gone somewhere else.

and?

If we are to be anyway competitive as a football club we will need a better full back than the re-packaged Alan Hutton.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: rob_bridge on September 17, 2014, 08:20:41 AM
On the surface this is utter madness.

However it depends on the terms of the deal and whether he has had a reduction in salary / performance / appearance targets written into the contract.

In the few months before he joined us he seemed to slide from Spuds first choice to third choice RB and he was utterly abject in McDoom's season. That 'tackle' on Long was appalling. So something was clearly not right.

Was he one of the ones involved with the bouncer scuffle?

If you take that into account and the fact he was on 40k per week it's no wonder he was encouraged to find alternative employment.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: john e on September 17, 2014, 08:23:14 AM
bonkers deal, fair play to Hutton but 12 month extension would have been more than sufficient.

Which he would have probably turned down and gone somewhere else.

Yes because clubs have been Queing up for him the last 18months, they would be battering the door down if they thought Hutton was available
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: Clampy on September 17, 2014, 08:45:11 AM
I think the fact that it's a three year deal rather than say a two year one which has raised a few eyebrows. It does also indicate we're in a better place financially which is encouraging though.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 17, 2014, 09:14:27 AM
We don't know the value of the deal. My guess would be that it is substantially lower than he was on before, and at a level that would have attracted other clubs.

Still, 4 games in is bloody quick.

Hutton is also not on anything like the reported 40k - from someone who would know such things.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: bob on September 17, 2014, 09:27:04 AM
I know what Lambert said, but as with all the bomb squad they were not producing for their wages,
He is the only one who has made it back to any great degree, And credit to him, he has proved me totally wrong and I dare say many of the management team as well

How are they meant to "produce" when they're not even being considered for selection?

And if we're going to start pointing at players who don't produce, that would have meant almost the entire squad after the McLeish year.


None of them were producing before they were ostracised. I was of the impression that they were some toxic influence on the rest of he squad. We had not long had Dunne and Collins behaving badly, and Warnock was a well-known moaner. I thought it was hinted that we were removing the bombsquads so they didn't tarnish the youngandhungries.

Now Faulkner has left and no-one seems to know why any of it ever happened.

He's also not the only one to make it back. Given is the number two goalkeeper and Bent is available for selection and has featured this season.

Whilst Given and Bent are available for selection, and N'Zogbia has made several appearances, Hutton is the only one to have made a positive contribution to the first team.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 17, 2014, 09:49:16 AM
I know what Lambert said, but as with all the bomb squad they were not producing for their wages,
He is the only one who has made it back to any great degree, And credit to him, he has proved me totally wrong and I dare say many of the management team as well

How are they meant to "produce" when they're not even being considered for selection?

And if we're going to start pointing at players who don't produce, that would have meant almost the entire squad after the McLeish year.


None of them were producing before they were ostracised. I was of the impression that they were some toxic influence on the rest of he squad. We had not long had Dunne and Collins behaving badly, and Warnock was a well-known moaner. I thought it was hinted that we were removing the bombsquads so they didn't tarnish the youngandhungries.

Now Faulkner has left and no-one seems to know why any of it ever happened.

He's also not the only one to make it back. Given is the number two goalkeeper and Bent is available for selection and has featured this season.

Whilst Given and Bent are available for selection, and N'Zogbia has made several appearances, Hutton is the only one to have made a positive contribution to the first team.

We're only four games into the season, and they're guaranteed to be here till January at least. As they are now making the bench or starting matches, they'll at least have the chance. Given is the number two keeper, and Bent is also making squads.

Not many of the squad were producing, full stop, at the end of the McLeish season.

The toxic influence thing doesn't stand up to examination - Lambert has said several times that Hutton's attitude is perfect, and Shay Given a toxic influence? I find that hard to believe, he's generally seen as a model professional.

That just smacked of people looking for an excuse. Lambert himself said that it was about the wages.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: Karl Bridges on September 17, 2014, 09:50:15 AM
bonkers deal, fair play to Hutton but 12 month extension would have been more than sufficient.

Which he would have probably turned down and gone somewhere else.

and?

If we are to be anyway competitive as a football club we will need a better full back than the re-packaged Alan Hutton.

We seem quite competitive so far with him as a full back.

Although just confirm what level are you expecting us to compete at?
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: Olof's Beard on September 17, 2014, 10:04:27 AM
I thought three years was a bit bonkers at first but having reflected upon it, it's sensible.  I think Lambert wants to instil a stable defensive unit that will be in place for a few years.  The players that we have now look good and are working well together, there's decent competition for places and back up options and hopefully we can avoid this endless accumulation of full backs.  There's still a big question mark over Vlaar and to be honest, I personally think we will lose him but by then Okore will be ready to step up and we will know whether Senderos has been able to maintain is form long term.

If we could be in a position whereby the defence doesn't need much, if any, maintenance over the next few windows then Lambert can concentrate on improving things further forward with whatever cash he has available.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: bob on September 17, 2014, 10:16:39 AM
I know what Lambert said, but as with all the bomb squad they were not producing for their wages,
He is the only one who has made it back to any great degree, And credit to him, he has proved me totally wrong and I dare say many of the management team as well

How are they meant to "produce" when they're not even being considered for selection?

And if we're going to start pointing at players who don't produce, that would have meant almost the entire squad after the McLeish year.


None of them were producing before they were ostracised. I was of the impression that they were some toxic influence on the rest of he squad. We had not long had Dunne and Collins behaving badly, and Warnock was a well-known moaner. I thought it was hinted that we were removing the bombsquads so they didn't tarnish the youngandhungries.

Now Faulkner has left and no-one seems to know why any of it ever happened.

He's also not the only one to make it back. Given is the number two goalkeeper and Bent is available for selection and has featured this season.

Whilst Given and Bent are available for selection, and N'Zogbia has made several appearances, Hutton is the only one to have made a positive contribution to the first team.

We're only four games into the season, and they're guaranteed to be here till January at least. As they are now making the bench or starting matches, they'll at least have the chance. Given is the number two keeper, and Bent is also making squads.

Not many of the squad were producing, full stop, at the end of the McLeish season.

The toxic influence thing doesn't stand up to examination - Lambert has said several times that Hutton's attitude is perfect, and Shay Given a toxic influence? I find that hard to believe, he's generally seen as a model professional.

That just smacked of people looking for an excuse. Lambert himself said that it was about the wages.

Only later on. At the time no reason was given. Of course people will look for reasons, as it didn't make sense.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: Gregorys Boy on September 17, 2014, 10:42:58 AM
Three years does seem a bit much to me.  Still if we are preparing someone to replace him long term, and he is happy not playing every week then this could work.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: fredm on September 17, 2014, 11:00:20 AM
Does the 3 years start from now, therefore including the current year he has left, so in fact it is only a 2 year extension?
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: rob_bridge on September 17, 2014, 11:09:31 AM
Also does anyone ITK know how much his original deal was worth v the new deal?

Same goes for Gabby - does anyone have a decent idea?

Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: simon ward 50 on September 17, 2014, 11:49:10 AM
It will be to do with the Scottish referendum I tell you!
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: supertom on September 17, 2014, 12:17:44 PM
I think the fact that it's a three year deal rather than say a two year one which has raised a few eyebrows. It does also indicate we're in a better place financially which is encouraging though.
I think perhaps it just gives us the option to get 2 years out of him, by which time he'll be coming up 32, and then depending on what sort of situation we're in, we may be able to sell him for a nominal fee. I don't reckon he'll be here at the end of that contract. I think it'll just be that it gives us the chance, when he gets to an age he won't be playing week in, week out at this level, that we could flog him off to a championship club and get just a little return, as opposed to him walking away for nothing. That may well still happen of course, but we'll see. We may sell him 1-2 years down the line.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: supertom on September 17, 2014, 12:19:24 PM
Also does anyone ITK know how much his original deal was worth v the new deal?

Same goes for Gabby - does anyone have a decent idea?


I'd guess the money has stayed the same, and it's the length of the deals that were the bigger selling point. I don't think, certainly in Huttons case, we'd have upped the pay.
Gabby must be on a fair bit too, so I think he's probably just maintained parity, which for 4 years is good going.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: dave.woodhall on September 17, 2014, 12:22:28 PM
bonkers deal, fair play to Hutton but 12 month extension would have been more than sufficient.

Which he would have probably turned down and gone somewhere else.

and?

If we are to be anyway competitive as a football club we will need a better full back than the re-packaged Alan Hutton.

And for a start if an in-form first-team regular had signed for someone else in January the screams of "How low have we sunk....." would have been heard in outer space.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: Meanwood Villa on September 17, 2014, 12:32:39 PM
It is a remarkable turnaround. I don't think anyone can truthfully say they still wanted him at the club for any of the last couple of years but as always it's what happens on the pitch that counts and if he keeps performing for the duration of his contract we'll all be happy.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: chrisw1 on September 17, 2014, 12:40:51 PM
Also does anyone ITK know how much his original deal was worth v the new deal?

Same goes for Gabby - does anyone have a decent idea?


I'd guess the money has stayed the same, and it's the length of the deals that were the bigger selling point. I don't think, certainly in Huttons case, we'd have upped the pay.
Gabby must be on a fair bit too, so I think he's probably just maintained parity, which for 4 years is good going.

I'd be amazed if either of them were on the same money.  That would be bonkers, particularly for Hutton if his current wage was deemed enough to warrant the bomb squad status.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: ozzjim on September 17, 2014, 12:48:14 PM
A couple of places said Gabby had taken a cut. If reports he was on more than 55k a week are true, I certainly hope he is nearer 40 now. Likewise Hutton signs a 3 year deal here on 30k, it is in his best interests as it is still more than he would get otherwise, and is now at least playing. No one is going to pay either more than that in all reality.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on September 17, 2014, 01:09:24 PM
Does the 3 years start from now, therefore including the current year he has left, so in fact it is only a 2 year extension?
I think on the O/S it said he had signed till June 2017.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 17, 2014, 01:17:46 PM
I think the shock for most is the turnaround in this story. I don't see an issue in him signing a new deal because he is playing at a very high level. It says a lot about an individual that despite being kicked in the balls he still had the professionalism to fight through it and come out better at the other end. I'm sure he also understands from his experiences in the past two years that there aren't that many suitors out there and he is possibly in the very best situation he could be at this stage in his career.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: django on September 17, 2014, 01:23:09 PM
I wonder if the owners of the club paid too much (i.e any) attention to the fan-forums. Hutton was the sort of player who after one bad game would get loads of comments saying he was the worst full-back ever to play for us and should never wear our shirt again.

It doesn't seem as if Lambert and Hutton had a falling out, and trying to force him out hasn't saved us any money, so there must be another reason.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 17, 2014, 01:24:19 PM
Hutton always maintained that Lambert was supportive of him even though he wasn't picking him. There is more to the whole era than has been told.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: dave.woodhall on September 17, 2014, 01:24:38 PM
I wonder if the owners of the club paid too much (i.e any) attention to the fan-forums. Hutton was the sort of player who after one bad game would get loads of comments saying he was the worst full-back ever to play for us and should never wear our shirt again.

It doesn't seem as if Lambert and Hutton had a falling out, and trying to force him out hasn't saved us any money, so there must be another reason.

They certainly weren't by the time he was signed, bearing in mind who signed him.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: martin o`who?? on September 17, 2014, 01:29:59 PM
I think the shock for most is the turnaround in this story. I don't see an issue in him signing a new deal because he is playing at a very high level. It says a lot about an individual that despite being kicked in the balls he still had the professionalism to fight through it and come out better at the other end. I'm sure he also understands from his experiences in the past two years that there aren't that many suitors out there and he is possibly in the very best situation he could be at this stage in his career.
I dont really care about his motives for the sudden return to form (although they may make interesting reading) all i know is - its a massive bonus for all concerned and long may it continue.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: damon loves JT on September 17, 2014, 01:40:31 PM
The Scots get the Queen, the pound and membership of NATO. We get Alan Hutton
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: Ian. on September 17, 2014, 01:40:50 PM
Hutton always maintained that Lambert was supportive of him even though he wasn't picking him. There is more to the whole era than has been told.
I think your quite right, something has been going on behind the scenes which might come out one day.

As regards Hutton I think it's great that a player who has been extremely professional during a very bleak period in his career, has turned things around and put his heart and soul as well as play very well for us has been given this new contract. Fair play to him, I don't normally criticise many players for form and ability but I did him.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: darren woolley on September 17, 2014, 01:52:22 PM
As long as he keeps performing on the pitch I don't mind him signing a new contract.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 17, 2014, 01:57:06 PM
As long as he keeps performing on the pitch I don't mind him signing a new contract.

nailed it.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 17, 2014, 02:21:59 PM
New contracts being signed/offered left, right and centre coupled with the signings and financial committments associated with Cleverley and Sanchez would suggest that something in the background has changed more dramatically than merely appointing a new ceo perhaps?

I don't think so.

Let's not forget, we've just spent 7m in the summer transfer window. That's not the sign of an enormous investment in the club, nor is offering new contracts to our best players.

Thank God for the 'new owner' otherwise it would've been 3.5m
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: Tony Erdington on September 17, 2014, 03:08:38 PM
New contracts being signed/offered left, right and centre coupled with the signings and financial committments associated with Cleverley and Sanchez would suggest that something in the background has changed more dramatically than merely appointing a new ceo perhaps?

I don't think so.

Let's not forget, we've just spent 7m in the summer transfer window. That's not the sign of an enormous investment in the club, nor is offering new contracts to our best players.

Thank God for the 'new owner' otherwise it would've been 3.5m


IDKS

BUT

aint it a case of Randolf realising a prem outfit is more attractive (more dough) than a chumpionship club, therfore kid of , speculate to accumalate. you think!
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: olaftab on September 17, 2014, 09:48:28 PM
Reading some of the comments on here you would think Hutton has miraculously transformed into Lahm and Zabaleta combined. He has been ok nothing more. 3 year deal is silly.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 17, 2014, 09:49:34 PM
Maybe, but 'ok' is a million times better than Lowton and Bacuna defensively.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 17, 2014, 10:37:58 PM
Maybe, but 'ok' is a million times better than Lowton and Bacuna defensively.

This, thus far.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: ozzjim on September 17, 2014, 11:30:34 PM
Maybe, but 'ok' is a million times better than Lowton and Bacuna defensively.


Trouble is, to replace a full back that is actually "ok" defensively with one who is actually "good" defensively would cost about 12 million now. Why not stick with the mid table level one we have until the rest of the side is at a point where that looks weak. I doubt, in the next 3 years, that will happen.

This, thus far.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: eamonn on September 18, 2014, 12:17:37 AM
Would have offered a twelve month deal. I think he's half-decent but little more and only likely to decline at this point. If he's our first choice right back in 3 years I presume things will have gone even more to seed at the club. 
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: Dave Cooper please on September 18, 2014, 08:44:11 AM
Would have offered a twelve month deal. I think he's half-decent but little more and only likely to decline at this point. If he's our first choice right back in 3 years I presume things will have gone even more to seed at the club. 

Or alternatively, if he carries on in decent form and we are in the position to strengthen further in 12 months time we can sell him for decent money to a club in the lower reaches of the PL.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: Ron Manager on September 18, 2014, 08:47:59 AM
Reading some of the comments on here you would think Hutton has miraculously transformed into Lahm and Zabaleta combined. He has been ok nothing more. 3 year deal is silly.

But not as silly as offering serial underachiever Agbonlahor an even longer contract.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: LeeB on September 18, 2014, 09:16:23 AM
Maybe he's agreed a long term deal on reduced terms.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: olaftab on September 18, 2014, 11:22:20 PM
I do hope so.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: aev on September 20, 2014, 08:15:42 AM
In the Telegraph it says it is an incentivised deal.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on September 20, 2014, 08:36:51 AM
In the Telegraph it says it is an incentivised deal.
Hope the incentives aren't red and yellow!
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: Can Gana Be Bettered!?!? on September 20, 2014, 09:09:25 AM
Reading some of the comments on here you would think Hutton has miraculously transformed into Lahm and Zabaleta combined. He has been ok nothing more. 3 year deal is silly.

But not as silly as offering serial underachiever Agbonlahor an even longer contract.

Both seem bizarre after what we've been trying to do over the last couple of years.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: tommy_boy on September 26, 2014, 09:12:12 PM
Not so sure about this one. He plays 4 great games and gets immediately a 3 year extension..
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: silhillvilla on September 26, 2014, 09:21:02 PM
Not so sure about this one. He plays 4 great games and gets immediately a 3 year extension..
Probably better than him walking for free which seemed to be the previous approach. He's clearly the best RB at the club at present.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: Ian. on September 26, 2014, 09:28:58 PM
Reading some of the comments on here you would think Hutton has miraculously transformed into Lahm and Zabaleta combined. He has been ok nothing more. 3 year deal is silly.

But not as silly as offering serial underachiever Agbonlahor an even longer contract.
Gabby has if anything achieved more than I expected. He has over the years won us important games with crucial goals. He has played in positions he has not been accustomed too. He came through as a central striker with pace and a knack for goal. He has been a very good player for us and we miss him when he does not play well. I feel at times because of the roles he is asked to play he will be criticised more than most.
He deserves his contract.

As for Hutton I never rated and was not a fan before we signed him. However his years in the shadows have made me feel more warmly to him. His professionalism has been outstanding after the way the club has outcast him for I think the financial reasons. He has shown he is a good full back and bloody hell those words 'good full back' have barely been uttered here at B^ for some time. He might not be the best, but he's very good and very committed and a bloody good pro. His contract is deserved as well too.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: godzvilla on November 27, 2014, 10:03:17 PM
Villa Boast the Most Effective Tackler in the Premier League

Defender Alan Hutton has appeared rejuvenated this season and that new confidence has bred similar results on the pitch. He’s won a remarkable 95.2% of his 21 attempted challenges this season, conceding just six fouls. This makes him the most effective tackler in the Barclays Premier League this term.


According to stats ...............................Godzvilla!
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: silhillvilla on November 27, 2014, 10:15:59 PM
He's our POS to date by a stretch
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: The Left Side on November 27, 2014, 10:24:04 PM
He's our POS to date by a stretch

Can't argue with that.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: OCD on November 27, 2014, 10:35:26 PM
We're probably the team that's done the most defending and had least ball possession too.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: peter w on November 27, 2014, 10:40:24 PM
Defensively he has done well but not happy with his link-up play going forward. there he has been poor.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: Ian. on November 27, 2014, 11:40:07 PM
It makes you wonder how good it would be to have a quick, tricky traditional winger in front of him?
He's solid at the back and a decent winger could attack knowing he's covered at the back.
Not that Lambert would try that mind.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: tomd2103 on November 28, 2014, 12:58:12 AM
Defensively he has done well but not happy with his link-up play going forward. there he has been poor.

Would agree.  He is still capable of the odd howler on the ball and the same applies to Cissokho.   
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: Steve67 on November 28, 2014, 04:52:44 AM
It makes you wonder how good it would be to have a quick, tricky traditional winger in front of him?
He's solid at the back and a decent winger could attack knowing he's covered at the back.
Not that Lambert would try that mind.

That's the frustration with Lambert. We can all see it but the so called expert can't. Given how good a player Benteke is, one would think we need to get the ball in the box much more often. If the big man played for a better team, he'd score shit loads.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on November 28, 2014, 05:42:10 AM
He's our POS to date by a stretch

Spot on.

I saw the thread bumped and came in terrified he had got the inevitable training ground injury.

Never thought I would see the day I would be so scared of losing him. Fair play to Alan.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: Ads on November 28, 2014, 07:23:13 AM
I cannot agree that he has looked poor going forwards at all. He regularly looks our most threatening player, which is a massive indictment against the McLiesh football Lambert is deploying.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: Ron Manager on November 28, 2014, 09:08:32 AM
I cannot agree that he has looked poor going forwards at all. He regularly looks our most threatening player, which is a massive indictment against the McLiesh football Lambert is deploying.

I agree. Attacking was always the best feature of his game but he has worked on his defensive side and it has improved immensely.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: adrenachrome on November 28, 2014, 10:14:51 AM
I cannot agree that he has looked poor going forwards at all. He regularly looks our most threatening player, which is a massive indictment against the McLiesh football Lambert is deploying.

True dat.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: Lastfootstamper on November 28, 2014, 10:25:07 AM
I cannot agree that he has looked poor going forwards at all. He regularly looks our most threatening player, which is a massive indictment against the McLiesh football Lambert is deploying.

He's always looking for a bit of the give-and-go, the old 1-2. Unfortunately, the other participant of it rarely seems to be on the same wavelength.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: eamonn on November 29, 2014, 02:03:07 AM
He will be crucial in stopping Burnley's dangerous left-hand side tomorrow.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: Rudy65 on November 29, 2014, 01:27:02 PM
Reading some of the comments on here you would think Hutton has miraculously transformed into Lahm and Zabaleta combined. He has been ok nothing more. 3 year deal is silly.

But not as silly as offering serial underachiever Agbonlahor an even longer contract.
Gabby has if anything achieved more than I expected. He has over the years won us important games with crucial goals. He has played in positions he has not been accustomed too. He came through as a central striker with pace and a knack for goal. He has been a very good player for us and we miss him when he does not play well. I feel at times because of the roles he is asked to play he will be criticised more than most.
He deserves his contract.

As for Hutton I never rated and was not a fan before we signed him. However his years in the shadows have made me feel more warmly to him. His professionalism has been outstanding after the way the club has outcast him for I think the financial reasons. He has shown he is a good full back and bloody hell those words 'good full back' have barely been uttered here at B^ for some time. He might not be the best, but he's very good and very committed and a bloody good pro. His contract is deserved as well too.

All about opinions, but no way did gabby deserve such a long contract.

He simply doesn't do enough.

He has cost us points in the last 2 games by simply not being awake.

His pace got him the goal on Monday, which is great, but he has little other assets.

Its ok recalling his goals against Norwich etc. They were important, but he offers very little otherwise and when he isn't scoring
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: Ian. on December 01, 2014, 06:23:32 PM
Gabby was partly at fault for the goal against Southampton but he should have been left up front and not making way for Darren Bent. It was a ridiculous substitution to expect your centre forward to suddenly become a midfielder at that point in the game.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on December 01, 2014, 06:30:31 PM
Gabby also lost possession very easily at a crucial point in the game at Burnley, which led directly to Burnley getting in our box and getting the penalty to equalise.

Just not good enough for an experienced forward, captain and Villa fan!
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on December 01, 2014, 06:31:59 PM
On thread...Hutton had a very good game again and seems to be doing his bit to repay the contract given.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: supertom on December 01, 2014, 06:42:17 PM
Hutton and Guzan have been my players of the season so far. Probably by some distance to be honest.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: Ron Manager on December 01, 2014, 07:44:56 PM
Senderos has also impressed but Hutton has been our best player by a distance.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: supertom on December 01, 2014, 07:59:29 PM
Senderos has also impressed but Hutton has been our best player by a distance.
Yeah, my only complaint about big Phil is how many games he's missed.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on December 02, 2014, 03:31:32 PM
Senderos has also impressed but Hutton has been our best player by a distance.
Yeah, my only complaint about big Phil is how many games he's missed.

He was sound until his injury then there has been no sight
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: supertom on December 02, 2014, 05:40:12 PM
Senderos has also impressed but Hutton has been our best player by a distance.
Yeah, my only complaint about big Phil is how many games he's missed.

He was sound until his injury then there has been no sight
Yeah and McGrath only knows when he'll be back.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: ozzjim on December 02, 2014, 07:23:44 PM
Senderos has been injured mist of his career it's hardly a shock. Good player on his day.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 02, 2014, 10:41:29 PM
Yet another good performance from Hutton tonight.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: OCD on December 02, 2014, 10:50:06 PM
He certainly seems good with the defensive side of the game. I'm not so sure in the few glimpses I've seen of him going forward but those are so seldom these days.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: Gregorys Boy on December 03, 2014, 03:26:38 AM
Think the key to Hutton's good first half of the season is that he is doing the simple things really well, and is a good pro.  He does not panic like the younger players.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: ozzjim on December 03, 2014, 07:28:19 AM
Panic is the word.  In fairness Okore doesn't either but Cissokho and Clark are like rabbits in  headlights. Thought Hutton was truly outstanding last night.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: peter w on December 03, 2014, 01:04:25 PM
Threatening going forward? I really don't see it. No balls whipped into the box, the link up play is usually a cut back and sideways or backwards ball, no overlaps, no breaking intop the box. I think Hutton is very poor at it and it may be that he's asked to hold back.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: N'ZMAV on December 03, 2014, 01:14:25 PM
Cissokho is pure panic. He will get worse as the season goes on. Another typical left back Lambert signing.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: WestleyArmsAV on December 03, 2014, 01:16:49 PM
Cissokho is pure panic. He will get worse as the season goes on. Another typical left back Lambert signing.

I thought he played well last night. Maybe my view in the stand was obstructed.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: Pat McMahon on December 03, 2014, 01:30:05 PM
I thought Hutton was very solid last night and is basically a round peg in a round hole.

Cissokho is ok (but no more) defensively but looks flustered with the ball, almost panicked. We offer nothing down his flank.

Re Rudy's point above regarding Hutton being frozen out for financial reasons, I never got the club logic on this one. We were still paying his wages so he should have been used when needed.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: glasses on December 03, 2014, 01:44:24 PM
Cissokho is pure panic. He will get worse as the season goes on. Another typical left back Lambert signing.

I thought he played well last night. Maybe my view in the stand was obstructed.
Or maybe you just have a different opinion and don't have to tug at that thread
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: LeeB on December 03, 2014, 02:12:16 PM
There was a great moment at the end, when we under the cosh, he broke out of our box and kept going before winning us a throw halfway into their half.

I think I cheered it as much as the goal.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: Ads on December 03, 2014, 02:13:50 PM
That was in front of the away fans as well. He got a song about him and he gave us a clap of acknowledgement.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: mattjpa on December 03, 2014, 02:25:37 PM
For me, Hutton has been our player of the season so far. Consistently played well in a team playing badly. It really is quite astounding how badly he has been treated by the club and how we didnt even consider bringing him back during prev relegation battles
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: rob_bridge on December 03, 2014, 02:35:00 PM
For me, Hutton has been our player of the season so far. Consistently played well in a team playing badly. It really is quite astounding how badly he has been treated by the club and how we didnt even consider bringing him back during prev relegation battles

Was Hutton one of those involved in the ruck with the bouncers at the fag end of McLeish's reign?

Not sure - it wouldn't have done him any favours.

Maybe some other things happened we aren't party to.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on December 03, 2014, 02:37:53 PM
There was a great moment at the end, when we under the cosh, he broke out of our box and kept going before winning us a throw halfway into their half.

I think I cheered it as much as the goal.
A wonderful little moment that.
If only the rest of our players could show similar nous and composure, and realise that just hoofing the ball 40 yards upfield and putting us back under even more pressure is a stupid thing to do...and we'd be a better team all round.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 03, 2014, 02:39:01 PM
For me, Hutton has been our player of the season so far. Consistently played well in a team playing badly. It really is quite astounding how badly he has been treated by the club and how we didnt even consider bringing him back during prev relegation battles

Was Hutton one of those involved in the ruck with the bouncers at the fag end of McLeish's reign?

Not sure - it wouldn't have done him any favours.

Maybe some other things happened we aren't party to.

No, that was Herd wasn't it? If that's the incident you mean, err, Gatecrashergate.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: dave.woodhall on December 03, 2014, 02:39:56 PM
Was it Gardner & Herd?
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: supertom on December 03, 2014, 02:40:25 PM
For me, Hutton has been our player of the season so far. Consistently played well in a team playing badly. It really is quite astounding how badly he has been treated by the club and how we didnt even consider bringing him back during prev relegation battles

Was Hutton one of those involved in the ruck with the bouncers at the fag end of McLeish's reign?

Not sure - it wouldn't have done him any favours.

Maybe some other things happened we aren't party to.
Was that the Herd incident? I think it was Collins you're thinking of. Delph was there too, but I think he and Collins were trying to calm Herdy down a bit.
It was a nothing incident really. Unless you are talking about something else I've forgotten about.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 03, 2014, 02:41:06 PM
Hutton looks far more composed to me than Cissokho does. Cissokho has a tendency to either look like he is panicking, or to actually panic. I'm far from convinced by him thus far.

The thing I like about Hutton is that he absolutely bombs forward at any opportunity, and when he does so, looks like a dog who has just been let off a lead in the park. Bless.

I find it worrying that when he does so, we tend to leave enough space behind him in which to hold a decent sized music festival, mind.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: rob_bridge on December 03, 2014, 02:45:54 PM
For me, Hutton has been our player of the season so far. Consistently played well in a team playing badly. It really is quite astounding how badly he has been treated by the club and how we didnt even consider bringing him back during prev relegation battles

Was Hutton one of those involved in the ruck with the bouncers at the fag end of McLeish's reign?

Not sure - it wouldn't have done him any favours.

Maybe some other things happened we aren't party to.
Was that the Herd incident? I think it was Collins you're thinking of. Delph was there too, but I think he and Collins were trying to calm Herdy down a bit.
It was a nothing incident really. Unless you are talking about something else I've forgotten about.

My mistake I think it was Collins I was thinking of.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: Mister E on December 03, 2014, 06:37:24 PM
Hutton looks far more composed to me than Cissokho does. Cissokho has a tendency to either look like he is panicking, or to actually panic. I'm far from convinced by him thus far.

The thing I like about Hutton is that he absolutely bombs forward at any opportunity, and when he does so, looks like a dog who has just been let off a lead in the park. Bless.

I find it worrying that when he does so, we tend to leave enough space behind him in which to hold a decent sized music festival, mind.
Love the analogy of the  dog in the park; made me smile.

Re the space behind, that is the MF responsibility: if the FB are our 'out' ball, then the fact that the midfielders are not covering is a coaching problem. Herd used to be excellent at covering for the attacking fullback when played as a midfielder: none of he current crop is doing it very well although I think Cleverley is beginning to get it.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: Gregorys Boy on December 03, 2014, 06:37:52 PM
Threatening going forward? I really don't see it. No balls whipped into the box, the link up play is usually a cut back and sideways or backwards ball, no overlaps, no breaking intop the box. I think Hutton is very poor at it and it may be that he's asked to hold back.

Oddly you do think of him more as an attacking player, maybe because his defending has until recently seemed so avenge.  Agreed though he doesn't really have an end product when getting forward, no matter he did the important hard work last night, and has been one of our better players so far this season.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: supertom on December 03, 2014, 06:44:11 PM
Threatening going forward? I really don't see it. No balls whipped into the box, the link up play is usually a cut back and sideways or backwards ball, no overlaps, no breaking intop the box. I think Hutton is very poor at it and it may be that he's asked to hold back.

Oddly you do think of him more as an attacking player, maybe because his defending has until recently seemed so avenge.  Agreed though he doesn't really have an end product when getting forward, no matter he did the important hard work last night, and has been one of our better players so far this season.
Hutton and Cissokho barely get past the opposition to be able to deliver a good ball. But it's not their fault. We rarely ever support our fullbacks in attack. They get the ball and run and seem to be expected by Lambert to take on a couple of players and whip a ball in. They can't because they're fullbacks. They need support from midfielders or attackers pulling wide for an option and to open up space.

If our midfield and attack were allowed to expand the pitch a little more and play with some more width we could get some good overlapping runs from the fullbacks and given a little more time and space down the flank of the opposition penalty area, I'm sure (at least in Huttons case) the final ball will improve.

Alternatively we play a little more like Chelsea in certain games. The fullbacks largely stay back and concentrate on defending, while we allow the midfield and attack to do the creative stuff.

Again, it boils down to tactics, or lack of.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on December 03, 2014, 06:46:54 PM
Hutton looks far more composed to me than Cissokho does. Cissokho has a tendency to either look like he is panicking, or to actually panic. I'm far from convinced by him thus far.

The thing I like about Hutton is that he absolutely bombs forward at any opportunity, and when he does so, looks like a dog who has just been let off a lead in the park. Bless.

I find it worrying that when he does so, we tend to leave enough space behind him in which to hold a decent sized music festival, mind.
Agree totally.
Just wish that when he bombed forward he would do what the dog would...ie really go for it! Take a defender or two on, have a shot, whip in a low cross that makes defenders cack their pants!
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on December 03, 2014, 06:50:01 PM
Spooky supertom!
I am not Paul Lambert!
;-)

As you say...it's the LACK of tactics that limits our attacking prowess...whether from full backs or midfield!
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: john e on December 03, 2014, 06:52:28 PM
Hutton is irreplaceable now in the back 4
We have mixed and matched the centre halfs and in general as long as Baker and Clark don't play together  they all tend to do well
Whereas if Hutton is out there is no decent back up, we are just weakened

I never ever thought I would write this
There was a time when I would have put him in my all time top 10 of worst Villa players I had seen,
It's a miracle, that's what it is
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: WestleyArmsAV on December 03, 2014, 07:01:18 PM
Paul has transformed Hutton.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on December 03, 2014, 07:07:16 PM
I think Hutton's transformed himself....and become noticed, and needed, in a time of need.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: supertom on December 03, 2014, 07:17:47 PM
Paul has transformed Hutton.
No. Paul's bloody lucky that Hutton has the attitude and professionalism to come in from the wilderness and turn his own career around. He could have stuck two fingers up at him, or treated his second chance with the sort sighing indifference Darren Bent seems to have.

There's no way no how we can look at the bomb squad fiasco as some sort of managerial master stroke. Lambert's just lucky Hutton is a top pro.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: WestleyArmsAV on December 03, 2014, 07:18:11 PM
A trademark anti Paul comment......but I get your.sentiment.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: supertom on December 03, 2014, 07:22:18 PM
A trademark anti Paul comment......but I get your.sentiment.
I was just responding to your trademark pro Paul comment. ;)
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: mattjpa on December 03, 2014, 09:48:46 PM
Paul has transformed Hutton.
Oh my God do you have to nosh him off in every thread?
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: Richard E on December 03, 2014, 10:04:18 PM
Yeah, not playing him for two years to psych him up was a managerial master stroke. Just watch Darren Bent and Enda Stevens fly next season.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: peter w on December 03, 2014, 10:05:15 PM
I honestly would prefer Lowton to come on again as he offers us so much more than Hutton. However, I think he's never going to get anywhere with us now. Cissokho seems like a bigger, brawner version of Bryan Small with the same ability on the ball. Cissokho does deliver the odd great whipped ball in, mind.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: peter w on December 03, 2014, 10:10:49 PM
I also think Hutton was caught the wrong side of Bolasie a couple of times in the second half and was positionally poor. Other than that he did put a shift in but I don't think he was anymore than average - as in 6 out of 10. Clark was a solid 8.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: Gregorys Boy on December 03, 2014, 10:30:22 PM
Yeah, not playing him for two years to psych him up was a managerial master stroke. Just watch Darren Bent and Enda Stevens fly next season.

I know you're joking a bit, but thing is Hutton didn't deserve a place in the team/squad before this season.  Think we are all surprised at how well he is doing.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 03, 2014, 10:32:25 PM
Paul has transformed Hutton.

Yes, twice.

Once into a 40k a week mature student only allowed to train with the under 12s whilst we watched Lowton struggle week after week and then again, into what he was when Lambert arrived here.

Absolute genius.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: Richard E on December 03, 2014, 10:34:17 PM
Yeah, not playing him for two years to psych him up was a managerial master stroke. Just watch Darren Bent and Enda Stevens fly next season.

I know you're joking a bit, but thing is Hutton didn't deserve a place in the team/squad before this season.  Think we are all surprised at how well he is doing.
I try not to be knowingly serious on H and V.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: peter w on December 03, 2014, 10:34:22 PM
I doubt that was purely down to Lambert though which he alluded to earlier this season. Also, if Lambert had have treated Hutton badly then it's unlikely that Hutton would have signed a 3 year deal this season.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on December 03, 2014, 10:35:25 PM
Would say at this stage. Hutton has been our "best" player. His premier statistics as a defender are the highest. %95.6 successful tackles with only 6 fouls !!! He has also played almost every game and brings some much needed grit to the team ......
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: Dave on December 03, 2014, 10:38:43 PM
Yeah, not playing him for two years to psych him up was a managerial master stroke. Just watch Darren Bent and Enda Stevens fly next season.

I know you're joking a bit, but thing is Hutton didn't deserve a place in the team/squad before this season.
So what did he do to suddenly deserve a place?
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on December 03, 2014, 10:40:56 PM
Yeah, not playing him for two years to psych him up was a managerial master stroke. Just watch Darren Bent and Enda Stevens fly next season.

I know you're joking a bit, but thing is Hutton didn't deserve a place in the team/squad before this season.  Think we are all surprised at how well he is doing.
Agree 100% GB, but Strachan on TV (neutral?) always marvelled at how Hutton could not get a game at The Villa when he was often Scotland's best player.

Yes, I know.....
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: Gregorys Boy on December 03, 2014, 10:43:42 PM
He played well ;)  On a more serious note Lambert was backed into a corner as his youth project had clearly failed, and with the defence a shambles the last two seasons we needed a bit of experience and a take no prisioners type of player, as it turned out Hutton fit the bill.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: Dave on December 03, 2014, 10:49:03 PM
He played well ;)
Who is to say that had he not started Lambert's first season he wouldn't have played like he is now?

He was never given the opportunity to 'play well', and the moment he was given the chance to do so he did. Making the last two years of right-back experiments look a tad ridiculous in the space of a few weeks.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: supertom on December 03, 2014, 11:01:09 PM
Lambert is the manager. As long as the players were on our wage bill, we'd be just as better off playing them than not. Ultimately the bomb squad could have been avoided. If it wasn't entirely Lamberts decision (I suspect he came in thinking the youth experiment would work better than it did) then as manager he should have insisted he have everyone we're paying wages to, in the squad. Better that than stuffing them with the kids and have them paid for nothing.

The whole u-turn was a major embarrassment. Whoever was chiefly responsible for the ridiculous will probably never be entirely clear, but Lambert, Faulkner and Lerner all had a hand in it.

I think Lambert re-instated the bombers purely on the basis his budget for transfers was very low and we were left in need of new fullbacks, striking cover and attacking midfielders. Thus Hutton, Bent and Zogbia came back in.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: Gregorys Boy on December 03, 2014, 11:04:31 PM
He played well ;)
Who is to say that had he not started Lambert's first season he wouldn't have played like he is now?

He was never given the opportunity to 'play well', and the moment he was given the chance to do so he did. Making the last two years of right-back experiments look a tad ridiculous in the space of a few weeks.

But he was first signed awhile back by a different manager.  I don't remember him playing too well under him, and besides if Lambert didn't fancy him then that is up to him as the manager. 
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: Dave on December 03, 2014, 11:14:34 PM
He played well ;)
Who is to say that had he not started Lambert's first season he wouldn't have played like he is now?

He was never given the opportunity to 'play well', and the moment he was given the chance to do so he did. Making the last two years of right-back experiments look a tad ridiculous in the space of a few weeks.

But he was first signed awhile back by a different manager.  I don't remember him playing too well under him, and besides if Lambert didn't fancy him then that is up to him as the manager. 
It is up to him. But then if he decides that he doesn't 'fancy him' for two years and then suddenly decides that he does after all and he becomes our standout performer, you don't think there's any point asking the question about why he's deprived the club if this suddenly-crucial asset for nearly the whole of his tenure?
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: Gregorys Boy on December 03, 2014, 11:18:22 PM
He played well ;)
Who is to say that had he not started Lambert's first season he wouldn't have played like he is now?

He was never given the opportunity to 'play well', and the moment he was given the chance to do so he did. Making the last two years of right-back experiments look a tad ridiculous in the space of a few weeks.

But he was first signed awhile back by a different manager.  I don't remember him playing too well under him, and besides if Lambert didn't fancy him then that is up to him as the manager. 
It is up to him. But then if he decides that he doesn't 'fancy him' for two years and then suddenly decides that he does after all and he becomes our standout performer, you don't think there's any point asking the question about why he's deprived the club if this suddenly-crucial asset for nearly the whole of his tenure?

But, if you think about it it actually takes a bit of bottle (I know an odd thing to say about Lambert) to admit that you may have been wrong about a player and to recall him after such a long spell.  I am half expecting to awake from a long dream and to find out that Alan Hutton is actually on loan at Doncaster where he is just about doing the job to an acceptable level..
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: Dave on December 03, 2014, 11:28:47 PM
I'd rather a manager who admits he is wrong and works to rectify a mistake over one who doesn't.

But where you say "the thing is Hutton didn't deserve a place in the team/squad before this season" it suggests that you don't think that he is admitting to and correcting a mistake. It suggests that you think that leaving Hutton to play frisbee with the youth team was the best use of his talents for the last couple of years.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: Ads on December 04, 2014, 09:12:26 AM
I hope he gets the first at the Shrine and just stands in front of the Brummie Road end with his hands aloft.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: Gregorys Boy on December 04, 2014, 09:35:21 AM
I'd rather a manager who admits he is wrong and works to rectify a mistake over one who doesn't.

But where you say "the thing is Hutton didn't deserve a place in the team/squad before this season" it suggests that you don't think that he is admitting to and correcting a mistake. It suggests that you think that leaving Hutton to play frisbee with the youth team was the best use of his talents for the last couple of years.

No wasn't say that.  The ideal was that the young players would have shown more progress, or that we had signed good players to do the job better.  One of Lambert's great downfalls at the club has been his over relience on youth when clearly most if not all of them have not been ready.  So in a way the likes of Hutton have been brought back out of desprartion, but thing is it is kind of the manager's way of admitting his mistakes and up till now has worked quite well so why complain or question it?
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: Dave on December 04, 2014, 09:51:05 AM
So in a way the likes of Hutton have been brought back out of desprartion, but thing is it is kind of the manager's way of admitting his mistakes and up till now has worked quite well so why complain or question it?
The massive waste of money and talent that didn't need to happen? We've paid Hutton somewhere in the region of £4m since Lambert took over, and for the majority of that time we've had nothing out of it. Based on his form this season, we could have had a competent right-back for the last two and a half years rather than the last two and a half months.

It's great that he's now an important player for us, but I think the bulk of the credit for this should go to Hutton for his professionalism.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: Clampy on December 04, 2014, 09:57:50 AM
I'd agree with Dave's last line. He hasn't moaned about the situation he's been in and just got on with it. I'm not a massive fan of him as a player but he's been a plus for us this season and that's down to him.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: Lastfootstamper on December 04, 2014, 10:12:05 AM
I hope he gets the first at the Shrine and just stands in front of the Brummie Road end with his hands aloft.

This, please McGrath, Little, Santa, this. With a perfect picture taken from behind him that I can steal, get blown up to poster size, emblazoned with the words " Merry Christmas", and, under cover of darkness, sneak it into the Express&Star sandwich board outside the post office.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: tomd2103 on December 04, 2014, 10:15:33 AM
I'd agree with Dave's last line. He hasn't moaned about the situation he's been in and just got on with it. I'm not a massive fan of him as a player but he's been a plus for us this season and that's down to him.

I'm not sure I'd be moaning if I had been banking £30 - 40,000 a week for just training either!!

I agree with your second sentence though.  He is still prone to the odd error, but has been solid enough so far this season.   

Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: tomd2103 on December 04, 2014, 10:18:44 AM
I hope he gets the first at the Shrine and just stands in front of the Brummie Road end with his hands aloft.

The amount of high pitched squealing that would ensue if that happened would be enough to shatter every pane of glass in a two mile radius. 
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: martin o`who?? on December 08, 2014, 07:44:17 AM
Huge credit to the Lad.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: supertom on December 08, 2014, 08:29:07 AM
Was delighted he scored yesterday. If anyones deserved a goal this season it's Hutton. He's worked harder than anyone and been our most consistent player.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: godzvilla on December 08, 2014, 11:03:32 AM
From Henry Winter,s match report in the Telegraph :
  “Hutton dressed as Lahm” as one Villa wag remarked.
...............Godzvilla!
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: QBVILLA on December 08, 2014, 11:58:58 AM
Hutton ought to renamed Lazarus. Fair play to him, in my humble opinion he's been our best player this season.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: RussellC on December 08, 2014, 12:07:37 PM
From Henry Winter,s match report in the Telegraph :
  “Hutton dressed as Lahm” as one Villa wag remarked.
...............Godzvilla!

To be fair, "Hutton dressed as Lahm" is brilliant! Worthy of a thread re-titling??
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: Dave on December 08, 2014, 12:24:17 PM
It was brilliant when it was first used on here more than three years ago.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: RussellC on December 08, 2014, 12:30:02 PM
It was brilliant when it was first used on here more than three years ago.

Except that he couldn't have looked any less like Lahm back then!
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: olaftab on December 08, 2014, 12:34:15 PM
From Henry Winter,s match report in the Telegraph :
  “Hutton dressed as Lahm” as one Villa wag remarked.
...............Godzvilla!
It was a bit of pillow talk and I did tell her not to mention it again but there we are.....
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: tom jennings III on December 08, 2014, 12:35:12 PM
Couldn't be happier for him. Well played sir, what an inspiration. Hope he maintains this form.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: LeeB on December 08, 2014, 05:28:08 PM
They should cancel the vote for PFA player of the year and give it to him, because I doubt there's a better example of professionalism in the English game.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: The Left Side on December 08, 2014, 05:28:34 PM
Well done Alan, got my MOTM yesterday.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 08, 2014, 05:40:40 PM
there's something so completely bizarre about the whole thing though isn't there. There is no animosity towards Lambert whatsoever. Hutton has publicly stated how much Lambert supported him through it all. And out of all of this he has not only returned, he isn't the clumsy buffoon we all took him for under TSM, and he is running away with our POY vote. He has been the consummate professional and proving beyond a doubt he is the player Spurs spent a lot of money on when they bought him from Rangers.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: chrisw1 on December 08, 2014, 07:22:35 PM
there's something so completely bizarre about the whole thing though isn't there. There is no animosity towards Lambert whatsoever. Hutton has publicly stated how much Lambert supported him through it all. And out of all of this he has not only returned, he isn't the clumsy buffoon we all took him for under TSM, and he is running away with our POY vote. He has been the consummate professional and proving beyond a doubt he is the player Spurs spent a lot of money on when they bought him from Rangers.

I know.  And I just love it.  Such a great turn around, if he keeps it up I can see him becoming a real cult hero for the Holt.  Can't praise him enough in my book and I really hope he keeps it going.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: Jon Crofts on December 08, 2014, 08:06:44 PM
You're right there is something quite bizarre about it all, it still begs the question who's idea was the whole bomb squad thing though.  I'm beginning to think it wasn't Lambert.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: Villa in Denmark on December 08, 2014, 09:11:33 PM
After all the trials and tribulations, finally something positive from McLeish's year at the helm, because I can't think of anything else.

I'm trying to think if anyone else has managed to turn around being widely vilified in the way he was under McLeish to cult hero this season.  Regardless, well done to Hutton. It's a pleasure to see a professional footballer worthy of the name professional.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on December 08, 2014, 09:17:02 PM
They should cancel the vote for PFA player of the year and give it to him, because I doubt there's a better example of professionalism in the English game.
But he doesn't play for Chelsea!
(Yet?)
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on December 08, 2014, 09:21:54 PM
And he took that goal so well - could easily have whacked it to the far post (as my mate said "What would Weimann have done in that position?") - but he showed composure, took a glance and slotted it inside the near post perfectly.

Am extremely pleased for him.
He deserves any accolades he receives for his professional approach to the mess and to how he has applied himself this season.
My MOTM too.
Not for the first time this season!
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: Nastylee on December 09, 2014, 09:58:08 PM
Never understood the attitude towards Hutton and I believe the negativity was down to his association with McLeish. He was played in some outrageous positions in a team that was on the slide. He also got vilified for that challenge when any other player doing a job on a player in a locla derby would normally gain cult status instantly. I think the fans wrote him off harshly and now some are being forced to admit they're clueless twats.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 09, 2014, 10:04:44 PM
Never understood the attitude towards Hutton and I believe the negativity was down to his association with McLeish. He was played in some outrageous positions in a team that was on the slide. He also got vilified for that challenge when any other player doing a job on a player in a locla derby would normally gain cult status instantly. I think the fans wrote him off harshly and now some are being forced to admit they're clueless twats.

Is there really any need for the last bit? Especially when you've called him average in the past.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: Mister E on December 09, 2014, 10:22:20 PM
I know.  And I just love it.  Such a great turn around, if he keeps it up I can see him becoming a real cult hero for the Holt.  Can't praise him enough in my book and I really hope he keeps it going.
Holt? Holt?!
There are threats to rename the Holte and you've already done it!!
You'd better proof read 'your book', young man!
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: WestleyArmsAV on December 09, 2014, 10:33:14 PM
Completely out of order calling him average, outrageous.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: Mister E on December 10, 2014, 08:10:29 AM
Completely out of order calling him average, outrageous.
Youre right: when he first arrived he was far below average and very poor value for the money we paid.
His dignity, re-modelled game and game-focus now are really impressive.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: Dave on December 10, 2014, 08:22:27 AM
Konchesky has had his red card overturned. Which probably isn't unreasonable, but doesn't that now mean that Hutton has been punished for that incident more severely?

Which if so I would say IS unreasonable.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: Duncan Shaw on December 10, 2014, 08:49:19 AM
Konchesky has had his red card overturned. Which probably isn't unreasonable, but doesn't that now mean that Hutton has been punished for that incident more severely?

Which if so I would say IS unreasonable.

Not really, it means that the FA have realised the ref made a mistake in the red and a yellow for both players sufficed, which is perfectly reasonable.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: Clampy on December 10, 2014, 09:03:37 AM
I thought he was woeful in his first season and let's face it, not many would have cared too much had he been sold. He's done well to stick with it though and this season he's been much better. Let's hope he can keep it going.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: Dave on December 10, 2014, 09:08:26 AM
Konchesky has had his red card overturned. Which probably isn't unreasonable, but doesn't that now mean that Hutton has been punished for that incident more severely?

Which if so I would say IS unreasonable.

Not really, it means that the FA have realised the ref made a mistake in the red and a yellow for both players sufficed, which is perfectly reasonable.
From what I've read through the red card has been rescinded rather than downgraded.

So the end result of the incident is that Hutton has been booked and Konchesky has received no card at all.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: Clampy on December 10, 2014, 09:26:23 AM
Konchesky has had his red card overturned. Which probably isn't unreasonable, but doesn't that now mean that Hutton has been punished for that incident more severely?

Which if so I would say IS unreasonable.

Not really, it means that the FA have realised the ref made a mistake in the red and a yellow for both players sufficed, which is perfectly reasonable.
From what I've read through the red card has been rescinded rather than downgraded.

So the end result of the incident is that Hutton has been booked and Konchesky has received no card at all.

And bearing in mind it was Konchesky who fouled Hutton in the first place then stood over him, then it's a bit odd.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: garyshawsknee on December 10, 2014, 09:29:47 AM
He should have got two yellows. One for the tackle and the second for standing over Hutton and abusing him.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: paul_e on December 10, 2014, 09:46:22 AM
He should have got two yellows. One for the tackle and the second for standing over Hutton and abusing him.

I'd love to know exactly what he said becuase that's what provoked the reaction not the challenge, whatever it was I'd be willing to bet that it was at least as offensive as whatever Tonev said to the guy in Scotland yet 1 results in a 7 match ban and the other sees a red card rescinded.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: chrisw1 on December 10, 2014, 10:59:09 AM

Suspect it was just suggesting Hutton was play acting a bit.  All hand bags really. 

I think he deserved at least a yellow for the combined challenge & mouthful he gave Hutton.  Nasty and unnecessary.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: paul_e on December 10, 2014, 11:10:43 AM

Suspect it was just suggesting Hutton was play acting a bit.  All hand bags really. 

I think he deserved at least a yellow for the combined challenge & mouthful he gave Hutton.  Nasty and unnecessary.

I'm not sure, Koncheskey and Schlupp had been niggling at him all game and there had been quite a lot of 'exchanges of views' without any reaction, what was said caused him to jump up like he did so it must've escalated above that.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: chrisw1 on December 10, 2014, 12:15:23 PM

Suspect it was just suggesting Hutton was play acting a bit.  All hand bags really. 

I think he deserved at least a yellow for the combined challenge & mouthful he gave Hutton.  Nasty and unnecessary.

I'm not sure, Koncheskey and Schlupp had been niggling at him all game and there had been quite a lot of 'exchanges of views' without any reaction, what was said caused him to jump up like he did so it must've escalated above that.

Yes maybe.  Either way is seemed unnecessarily nasty and I'm surprised more people (pundits, fans & now the FA) didn't back the ref in his decision.  In my view it sends the wrong message.  Chop someone down, stand over them and abuse them and it's not a problem?  It should be poor challenge, volley of abuse - off you go son. 

As for Hutton, I don't think what he did was anywhere near as bad and a yellow was enough.  It's not as if he pushed him in the face.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: QBVILLA on December 10, 2014, 12:18:41 PM

Suspect it was just suggesting Hutton was play acting a bit.  All hand bags really. 

I think he deserved at least a yellow for the combined challenge & mouthful he gave Hutton.  Nasty and unnecessary.

I'm not sure, Koncheskey and Schlupp had been niggling at him all game and there had been quite a lot of 'exchanges of views' without any reaction, what was said caused him to jump up like he did so it must've escalated above that.

Yes maybe.  Either way is seemed unnecessarily nasty and I'm surprised more people (pundits, fans & now the FA) didn't back the ref in his decision.  In my view it sends the wrong message.  Chop someone down, stand over them and abuse them and it's not a problem?  It should be poor challenge, volley of abuse - off you go son. 

As for Hutton, I don't think what he did was anywhere near as bad and a yellow was enough.  It's not as if he pushed him in the face.

Hutton was flat out on the deck appearing injured before jumping to his feet to remonstrate with Knochesky after whatever was said. He was feigning injury and looking to get Konchesky carded. I hate to see that, and it doesn't matter that it was a Villa player. I'd rather see them throw a punch than cheat.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: RussellC on December 10, 2014, 12:39:26 PM
Bit unfair, to say the least. Hutton had gone down because he had been wiped-out by Konchesky. As I said earlier on, lunging in towards a stationary player player (especially one who is only likely to have one leg grounded to having just played the ball) is extremely reckless. There's no way on earth it was a dive and he was down for a matter of seconds before jumping-up to remonstrate with Konchesky. A perfectly natural reaction, in my opinion.

As others have pointed out, we're now in a situation where hutton has been yellow-carded for the incident and Konchesky has got away scott-free. Bizarre. As is the insinuation that Hutton somehow cheated.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 10, 2014, 12:39:48 PM
Kochensky launched into the tackle at full speed and stamped on his foot. Off course it was going to knock Hutton to the ground. We should be lucky he didn't break Hutton's foot. Then he taunts him. Konchesky should count his lucky stars that Hutton didn't chin him. While the red card might be harsh a yellow at minimum is justified; for both players. The fact that Konchesky seemingly has now received nothing is ludicrous.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: QBVILLA on December 10, 2014, 01:17:46 PM
Bit unfair, to say the least. Hutton had gone down because he had been wiped-out by Konchesky. As I said earlier on, lunging in towards a stationary player player (especially one who is only likely to have one leg grounded to having just played the ball) is extremely reckless. There's no way on earth it was a dive and he was down for a matter of seconds before jumping-up to remonstrate with Konchesky. A perfectly natural reaction, in my opinion.

As others have pointed out, we're now in a situation where hutton has been yellow-carded for the incident and Konchesky has got away scott-free. Bizarre. As is the insinuation that Hutton somehow cheated.

Without wanting to get into a debate on both threads i've explained my view on it on the Clark thread. I never said he dived, I said he feigned injury. Completely different. The FA cannot rescind yellow cards and Konchesky missed the last 15 minutes of the game. His side reduced to ten men had therefore less of a chance of getting back into the game so he didn't get off 'scot free'.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on December 10, 2014, 01:38:05 PM
Be interesting to see if it does it in every game then.
After all, according to the appropriate committee, it's perfectly ok to foul a player and then abuse him then push him.

Like the Spuds players of a few weeks ago!
Stick your head in someone's face? Fine.
Raise your hands and push another player 3 times? That's fine too.
Benteke raises a hand - that's a red.

No consistency whatsoever.
Shite rules and shite refs...and committees!
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: QBVILLA on December 10, 2014, 01:44:26 PM
I said at the time of the Benteke incident that Benteke had to go for raising his hand. Mason should have also gone for sticking his head in and I think it was Soldado? should've been yellow carded for shoving Benteke in the same incident. As for Sunday, a yellow card for Konchesky for the late challenge and a yellow for Hutton's reaction would have been the correct decision in my opinion, It was Hutton who shoved Konchesky by the way. As for verbal abuse between players well that happens in every level of football and isn't going to be punished by the refs.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on December 10, 2014, 02:04:09 PM
I suppose my point is such things send out mixed messages...to players, fans and surely confuses refs too.
We're all told - raised hands, two-footed tackles etc - straight red!
Then sometimes it happens and sometimes it doesn't...obviously the ref needs to interpret at the time, but...Mason's use of the head did not require interpretation and neither did Soldado's push. Vardy's "tackle" on Westwood? (a number of press reports referred to it as "a firm challenge" - it was foul play! More confusion/interpretation).
Like pushing and shoving at corners/free kicks etc, I just think it could be clearer and simpler for all, and players in particular would know where they stood on such things. If players grappled others on the half way line the ref would penalise them.
I find it odd that Konchesky as a player who did what he did receives no punishment, whereas I thought Okore, for instance was booked for a completely innocuous tackle. 
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: RussellC on December 10, 2014, 02:15:08 PM
Bit unfair, to say the least. Hutton had gone down because he had been wiped-out by Konchesky. As I said earlier on, lunging in towards a stationary player player (especially one who is only likely to have one leg grounded to having just played the ball) is extremely reckless. There's no way on earth it was a dive and he was down for a matter of seconds before jumping-up to remonstrate with Konchesky. A perfectly natural reaction, in my opinion.

As others have pointed out, we're now in a situation where hutton has been yellow-carded for the incident and Konchesky has got away scott-free. Bizarre. As is the insinuation that Hutton somehow cheated.

Without wanting to get into a debate on both threads i've explained my view on it on the Clark thread. I never said he dived, I said he feigned injury. Completely different. The FA cannot rescind yellow cards and Konchesky missed the last 15 minutes of the game. His side reduced to ten men had therefore less of a chance of getting back into the game so he didn't get off 'scot free'.

I wouldn't say that diving and feigning injury are 'completely different at all'. They're both tantamount to attempts to con the referee into getting an opponent unduly punished. In this case, there was absolutely no need for Hutton to do so, as the tackle was there for all to see.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: Chris Smith on December 10, 2014, 02:29:16 PM
Bit unfair, to say the least. Hutton had gone down because he had been wiped-out by Konchesky. As I said earlier on, lunging in towards a stationary player player (especially one who is only likely to have one leg grounded to having just played the ball) is extremely reckless. There's no way on earth it was a dive and he was down for a matter of seconds before jumping-up to remonstrate with Konchesky. A perfectly natural reaction, in my opinion.

As others have pointed out, we're now in a situation where hutton has been yellow-carded for the incident and Konchesky has got away scott-free. Bizarre. As is the insinuation that Hutton somehow cheated.

Without wanting to get into a debate on both threads i've explained my view on it on the Clark thread. I never said he dived, I said he feigned injury. Completely different. The FA cannot rescind yellow cards and Konchesky missed the last 15 minutes of the game. His side reduced to ten men had therefore less of a chance of getting back into the game so he didn't get off 'scot free'.

I wouldn't say that diving and feigning injury are 'completely different at all'. They're both tantamount to attempts to con the referee into getting an opponent unduly punished. In this case, there was absolutely no need for Hutton to do so, as the tackle was there for all to see.

You can be hurt without being injured.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: paul_e on December 10, 2014, 02:34:20 PM
Was their any attempt to feign an injury though?  Watch it again, he clearly gets caught across the top of the foot and goes down face first then rolls over onto his back and about 2 seconds later is on his feet face-to-face with konchesky.  There was no rolling around or waving at the ref (or even looking at the ref).  Take Konchesky away and he probably (on the balance of his actions to that point) takes a few seconds to adjust his socks/boots and then gets up no harm done, some of you seem to be seeing something that just isn't there.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: supertom on December 10, 2014, 03:02:08 PM
Was their any attempt to feign an injury though?  Watch it again, he clearly gets caught across the top of the foot and goes down face first then rolls over onto his back and about 2 seconds later is on his feet face-to-face with konchesky.  There was no rolling around or waving at the ref (or even looking at the ref).  Take Konchesky away and he probably (on the balance of his actions to that point) takes a few seconds to adjust his socks/boots and then gets up no harm done, some of you seem to be seeing something that just isn't there.
That was my memory of it too to be honest. Hutton doesn't seem remotely like that sort of player. That said, even if he was. I don't see the problem. Every club has players who cheat sometimes. It's pretty much part and parcel of the game. In fact we need to be a bit dirtier and a bit slyer at times. If you can't beat em, join em.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: chrisw1 on December 10, 2014, 03:15:18 PM
It's ridiculous to say it was feigning injury.  He got caught quite hard on the foot and it would have bloody hurt.  Just because it's not serious doesn't mean it's not a sharp pain.  Anyone who has played a contact sport would realise this.

As for getting up, the surge of adrenalin when someone lays into you like that would make it pretty easy to jump up, whether your foot is sore or not.  Having a go at Hutton for how he fell and clutched his foot seems pretty remarkable to me. 
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: QBVILLA on December 10, 2014, 03:40:06 PM

Suspect it was just suggesting Hutton was play acting a bit.  All hand bags really. 

I think he deserved at least a yellow for the combined challenge & mouthful he gave Hutton.  Nasty and unnecessary.

So you've gone from  this to saying it was ridiculous to suggest he was feigning injury?
Russell, agree that feigning injury and diving are both attempts to  con the referee but they are still different issues. Did no one else see that incident go off and think Hutton  is going  to  get sent off here?
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: RussellC on December 10, 2014, 03:42:39 PM
Did no one else see that incident go off and think Hutton  is going  to  get sent off here?

In all honesty, no. He didn't 'raise his hands' or aim a head at his opponent. I don't think shoving a player that has just fouled you has ever merited (or resulted in) a straight red-card.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: not3bad on December 10, 2014, 03:50:09 PM
It did flash across my mind that Hutton might get sent off when I saw him react.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: QBVILLA on December 10, 2014, 03:54:39 PM
He put his head into Konchesky and gave him a two handed shove in the chest. Not saying i think it merited a red, not saying it was a head butt either but players have been  sent off for shoving players in the chest and they have been sent off for sticking the head in. For me it was a yellow each way but once  Konchesky  had received the red i expected Hutton  to  cop one as well. Anyway, think we have done this to death now.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: chrisw1 on December 10, 2014, 03:56:40 PM

Suspect it was just suggesting Hutton was play acting a bit.  All hand bags really. 

I think he deserved at least a yellow for the combined challenge & mouthful he gave Hutton.  Nasty and unnecessary.

So you've gone from  this to saying it was ridiculous to suggest he was feigning injury?
Russell, agree that feigning injury and diving are both attempts to  con the referee but they are still different issues. Did no one else see that incident go off and think Hutton  is going  to  get sent off here?

You've misread me there.  I said I suspect the verbal abuse was just Konchesky accusing Hutton of play acting.  If you read it in context with the post above I think that is pretty clear?
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: QBVILLA on December 10, 2014, 04:00:28 PM
Play acting in what sense was he suggesting?
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: chrisw1 on December 10, 2014, 04:37:42 PM
Play acting in what sense was he suggesting?

FFS what do you think?  I couldn't hear him.  Could you?  The point is someone said they would have liked to have heard what Konchesky said to Hutton.  I speculated that he was probably accusing him of play acting.  Players do that sometimes, often when trying to play down a nasty challenge they've just made.  That doesn't mean I think Hutton was play acting.  I am truly convinced he was not - he'd just had a great clumsy fecker stamp on his foot and believe it or not that bloody hurts.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: Dave on December 10, 2014, 04:46:30 PM
Play acting in what sense was he suggesting?

FFS what do you think?  I couldn't hear him.  Could you?  The point is someone said they would have liked to have heard what Konchesky said to Hutton.  I speculated that he was probably accusing him of play acting
I can't imagine that he was standing over a prone Hutton asking what his Christmas plans were or what he thought of Scottish devolution.

What you're suggesting would seem to me to be the obvious thing.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: QBVILLA on December 10, 2014, 04:58:25 PM
Right. In summary.I said that Hutton was feigning injury. You said that was 'ridiculous'. I pulled up a quote where you said that Konchesky was accusing him of play acting. Another term for feigning injury. So 'FFS' does that answer it for you? Also 'ffs' at no point did i feel the need to  become a condescending  arse to get my point across Chrisw.
Merry Christmas.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: chrisw1 on December 10, 2014, 05:27:39 PM
Right. In summary.I said that Hutton was feigning injury. You said that was 'ridiculous'. I pulled up a quote where you said that Konchesky was accusing him of play acting. Another term for feigning injury. So 'FFS' does that answer it for you? Also 'ffs' at no point did i feel the need to  become a condescending  arse to get my point across Chrisw.
Merry Christmas.

So because Konchesky was probably accusing him of it that means he was?  It that really the point you were making?  Do you believe a player every time they put their hand up saying the other side put the ball into touch too?

Watch the challenge again and if you still think he was feigning injury then so be it.  For me, it looks like it would have hurt.  Also Hutton isn't really that type of player.  You have called one of our own players a cheat.  That is incredibly harsh and I think you are plain wrong.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: QBVILLA on December 10, 2014, 07:56:07 PM
In the heat of the moment we're all one eyed but after the game i will say it how i saw it. I couldn't give a toss who he plays for, in my opinion he made out he was injured only to dive to his feet when provoked verbally. You assumed Konchesky was accusing him of play acting. Why didn't  you  assume he'd given him a volley of "take that you #$@#$#" etc? Therefore i can't see how you can go on to suggest the notion of feigning injury is ridiculous. Call it gamesmanship whatever it's  dishonest. Olsson did it at Villa Park a few seasons back and got Herd sent off. We were  all up in arms about it then and i don't go along with if you can't beat them join em opinion. By the way i've played football for thirty years and if i've taken a whack bad enough to leave me lying on the turf then i'm not jumping up seconds later for a ruck. Anyone who has played a contact sport will tell you that.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on December 10, 2014, 08:17:03 PM
In the heat of the moment we're all one eyed but after the game i will say it how i saw it. I couldn't give a toss who he plays for, in my opinion he made out he was injured only to dive to his feet when provoked verbally. You assumed Konchesky was accusing him of play acting. Why didn't  you  assume he'd given him a volley of "take that you #$@#$#" etc? Therefore i can't see how you can go on to suggest the notion of feigning injury is ridiculous. Call it gamesmanship whatever it's  dishonest. Olsson did it at Villa Park a few seasons back and got Herd sent off. We were  all up in arms about it then and i don't go along with if you can't beat them join em opinion. By the way i've played football for thirty years and if i've taken a whack bad enough to leave me lying on the turf then i'm not jumping up seconds later for a ruck. Anyone who has played a contact sport will tell you that.
Olsson originally fouled Herd by holding his foot. Herd's attempt to extricate his foot from Olsson's grip made it look like a stamp to the linesman. The really shitty thing with it was that Olsson actually stated on MOTD that Herd had stamped on him...as did Woy.
I've also played football for years - if my foot hurt and some twat called me something that really got to me I'd get up and confront him.
We don't know what Konchesky said, but whatever it was he wanted the World and his mother to see him berating someone he'd just fouled. (Ungentlemanly conduct?)
To not receive a personal punishment for that is wrong...imho.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 10, 2014, 08:26:56 PM
We were up in arms about Olsson and Hodgson over that incident as both claimed in interviews after the game that Herd had stamped on Olsson when he hadn't.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: QBVILLA on December 10, 2014, 08:27:54 PM
Frank. I think everyone  who is associated  with  football both from a watching and playing perspective finds the ruling of being able to rescind a red but not a yellow frustrating. Konchesky  deserved a yellow. However,  i think he,his manager his team mates and the Leicester fans would prefer the yellow card rather than playing the end of the game 2-1 down reduced to ten men. Not saying the result would have been  any different but they would've  been better equipped  to do so. Therefore  he has in my opinion received a punishment  harsher than a yellow card. I've not argued with  Hutton's reaction  just pointed  out that  he went from lying on the deck prone to jumping to his feet.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: QBVILLA on December 10, 2014, 08:29:30 PM
We were up in arms about Olsson and Hodgson over that incident as both claimed in interviews after the game that Herd had stamped on Olsson when he hadn't.

And the fact we played the best part  of an hour a man down  due to Olsson conning the ref. The interviews were  an added insult
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on December 10, 2014, 08:36:25 PM
Understand what you're saying QB.
My point is...Konchesky did what he did and his team were punished by his sending off.
For his actions he has been cleared.
That's the bit I don't get....bad tackle, deliberate and open provocation of an opponent...and the rule keepers say "That's fine."
Do we really want that happening every time a tackle is made/deemed a foul/or not?
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on December 10, 2014, 08:38:58 PM
Hutton is now on 4 yellows! another one against the Baggies and he misses the Manure game.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: old man villa fan on December 10, 2014, 08:40:31 PM
I did not think the FA overturned a refs decision if he saw something, even if he saw something differently to how it was.  Again, I thought they only acted if he did not see something.

Konchesky was dismissed for violent conduct and received nothing for the tackle.  So what was Hutton's yellow card for?  Being the victim of a nasty tackle!  So much for the FA supporting referees.  I think Hutton is now one booking away from a suspension because of this incident.

When is the FA going to overhaul the booking/sending off and post match review so that it is fit for purpose.  Players are getting away with bad fouls that have or could have led to injuries.  Players are being put out of matches through injury and little is being done about it.  Pushing is never going to injure a player and the days of it leading to a full scale punch up have long gone but these technical offenses are the ones being punished.  According to the current interpretation of the laws, Benteke should have been sent off but was the offense violent and possibly lead to injury when compared with a punch or elbow that could.

One of the things I would bring in tomorrow is if a referee misses and incident and this is caught on camera, the FA could then retrospectively give a yellow or red card.  This would reduce off the ball incidents and cut out cheating.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: QBVILLA on December 10, 2014, 08:44:59 PM
I agree with  you. As far as i'm aware there isn't a facility where reds can be reduced to a yellow. There should be and i think it's also the same where a red for a second yellow can't be appealed either. Another ridiculous rule imo. Does anyone know what Konchesky's red card was  for? The foul? The confrontation  afterwards? Or a combination  of the two? For me the tackle was late and merited a yellow.
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Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on December 10, 2014, 08:49:49 PM
Agree pretty much with most of that old man.
As I agree with QB about the awarding of yellow cards for Konchesky and Hutton...but that didn't happen. Koncehesky will not receive any personal punishment for his part in the incident that he created, Hutton will.
Again similar to the Spuds game - Mason's head in Benteke's face (which caused the incident that led to both clubs being fined) receives no punishment (retrospective punishment would surely have worked here) but Benteke's reaction to it IS punished. There should be some common sense here, but there just isn't. Amazing that the law-makers/keepers can't sort it out. 
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: old man villa fan on December 10, 2014, 08:50:58 PM
Does anyone know what Konchesky's red card was  for? The foul? The confrontation  afterwards? Or a combination  of the two? For me the tackle was late and merited a yellow.
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An FA spokesman said it was for violent conduct
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on December 10, 2014, 09:00:05 PM
Does anyone know what Konchesky's red card was  for? The foul? The confrontation  afterwards? Or a combination  of the two? For me the tackle was late and merited a yellow.
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An FA spokesman said it was for violent conduct
Physically? Verbally?

In my live view of the incident I honestly thought that Konchesky had pushed his hand into Hutton's face - a la Benteke - and said to my mate "He's raised his hand to Hutton's face - he's gotta go."
As QB points out that isn't what happened at all. It was Hutton who did the pushing. So who made the call? The Ref? The 4th Official?
Why all the mystery surrounding such things.
Clear and simple announcements/explanations about decisions would help players, fans, refs.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: OCD on December 10, 2014, 09:54:51 PM
I heard somewhere that there is no UEFA/FIFA ruling that a yellow card can't be rescinded and that it's something that the FA have taken upon themselves to do. As far as I know there's no actual ruling to say that's the way it is.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: paul_e on December 10, 2014, 10:14:26 PM
Does anyone know what Konchesky's red card was  for? The foul? The confrontation  afterwards? Or a combination  of the two? For me the tackle was late and merited a yellow.
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An FA spokesman said it was for violent conduct
Physically? Verbally?

In my live view of the incident I honestly thought that Konchesky had pushed his hand into Hutton's face - a la Benteke - and said to my mate "He's raised his hand to Hutton's face - he's gotta go."
As QB points out that isn't what happened at all. It was Hutton who did the pushing. So who made the call? The Ref? The 4th Official?
Why all the mystery surrounding such things.
Clear and simple announcements/explanations about decisions would help players, fans, refs.

mics on refs works perfectly in rugby and stops a lot of the 'angst' in the crowd for the controversial ones, I'd bring it in in football as well.  The argument is that football players would be incapable of not swearing at the ref and that would get picked up and broadcast but surely the respect campaign would back something that reduces the number of players who do that.  Aside from that, bring it in in Feb/March but just have it monitored without the open broadcast and, as above hand out fines etc before a full launch in the new season.  If it also reduced the number of instances where 4-5 players surround the ref then that's just a fringe benefit.

On this specific case I'd assumed it was because the ref (who was pretty close) had heard what he said, but I'm not sure now it's been overturned.  As for getting away with it, we play them in january if he gets a 4th yellow of the season the game before then I'd be a bit pissed off.  As for it balancing out because they had 10men for the last 10-15mins they should've been reduced to 10 a lot earlier, the more I see the tackle on Westwood the harder I find it to see how he only got a yellow, there's was no chance he could get the ball and every chance he'd hurt Westwood in the attempt.

QB I still think you're completely wrong about him feigning injury, there's nothing in it to suggest he's done anything like that, to me he was just in no rush to get up until he got called something at which point he reacted and jumped up.  If he'd been imploring at the ref or waving an imaginary card or rolling around like he'd been shot then I'd be with you but you can't assume that someone staying down for a few extra seconds it was 80minutes into the game, he probably just saw a chance for a rest for a few seconds.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: Jon Crofts on December 10, 2014, 10:20:33 PM
Mics on referees in rugby work well because your average rugby crowd know the rules of the game very well, in a football crowd I doubt they'd work as well, just my opinion.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on December 10, 2014, 10:37:03 PM
Mics on referees in rugby work well because your average rugby crowd know the rules of the game very well, in a football crowd I doubt they'd work as well, just my opinion.
Agree 100% JC - but also part of my overall point. Too much inconsistency in football refs - we're all told the new, tougher laws re 2 footed tackles, raising hands etc, but then some refs let these things go. So, we think we know the rules then the rules are not applied by the very people who are the keepers of the rules - and when some big deal is made of a decision we hear the outcomes, but not the reasons why. The FA (or whoever) are their own enemies by not making the whole thing clear and above board for the overall good of us all and the game in general.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: paul_e on December 10, 2014, 11:00:31 PM
Mics on referees in rugby work well because your average rugby crowd know the rules of the game very well, in a football crowd I doubt they'd work as well, just my opinion.

That does help I agree but in rugby it's largely a requirement because some of the more common penalty offenses are very technical (not releasing the player/ball after a tackle or unlawful entry to a ruck/maul are the 2 most common penalties by far, if you don't know what that means then you're going to be lost) but how many times in football is something a technical offence?  Offsides are common but don't result in bookings and even if people don't know the rules in depth knowing that if the guy puts his flag up and the ref blows then it's offside doesn't take much explanation. I just can't think of a technical offence that leads to a booking other than time wasting, which is pretty self explanatory.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: QBVILLA on December 11, 2014, 06:56:19 AM
Does anyone know what Konchesky's red card was  for? The foul? The confrontation  afterwards? Or a combination  of the two? For me the tackle was late and merited a yellow.
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An FA spokesman said it was for violent conduct
Physically? Verbally?

In my live view of the incident I honestly thought that Konchesky had pushed his hand into Hutton's face - a la Benteke - and said to my mate "He's raised his hand to Hutton's face - he's gotta go."
As QB points out that isn't what happened at all. It was Hutton who did the pushing. So who made the call? The Ref? The 4th Official?
Why all the mystery surrounding such things.
Clear and simple announcements/explanations about decisions would help players, fans, refs.

mics on refs works perfectly in rugby and stops a lot of the 'angst' in the crowd for the controversial ones, I'd bring it in in football as well.  The argument is that football players would be incapable of not swearing at the ref and that would get picked up and broadcast but surely the respect campaign would back something that reduces the number of players who do that.  Aside from that, bring it in in Feb/March but just have it monitored without the open broadcast and, as above hand out fines etc before a full launch in the new season.  If it also reduced the number of instances where 4-5 players surround the ref then that's just a fringe benefit.

On this specific case I'd assumed it was because the ref (who was pretty close) had heard what he said, but I'm not sure now it's been overturned.  As for getting away with it, we play them in january if he gets a 4th yellow of the season the game before then I'd be a bit pissed off.  As for it balancing out because they had 10men for the last 10-15mins they should've been reduced to 10 a lot earlier, the more I see the tackle on Westwood the harder I find it to see how he only got a yellow, there's was no chance he could get the ball and every chance he'd hurt Westwood in the attempt.

QB I still think you're completely wrong about him feigning injury, there's nothing in it to suggest he's done anything like that, to me he was just in no rush to get up until he got called something at which point he reacted and jumped up.  If he'd been imploring at the ref or waving an imaginary card or rolling around like he'd been shot then I'd be with you but you can't assume that someone staying down for a few extra seconds it was 80minutes into the game, he probably just saw a chance for a rest for a few seconds.

Paul, I watched the incident again yesterday and haven't changed my mind. Not every player feigning injury/play acting goes into the full on roll and waves the imaginary card. Even so, you can only call it how you saw it personally and it has created a few pages of debate.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: enigma on December 11, 2014, 10:28:01 AM
Does anyone know what Konchesky's red card was  for? The foul? The confrontation  afterwards? Or a combination  of the two? For me the tackle was late and merited a yellow.
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An FA spokesman said it was for violent conduct
Physically? Verbally?

In my live view of the incident I honestly thought that Konchesky had pushed his hand into Hutton's face - a la Benteke - and said to my mate "He's raised his hand to Hutton's face - he's gotta go."
As QB points out that isn't what happened at all. It was Hutton who did the pushing. So who made the call? The Ref? The 4th Official?
Why all the mystery surrounding such things.
Clear and simple announcements/explanations about decisions would help players, fans, refs.

mics on refs works perfectly in rugby and stops a lot of the 'angst' in the crowd for the controversial ones, I'd bring it in in football as well.  The argument is that football players would be incapable of not swearing at the ref and that would get picked up and broadcast but surely the respect campaign would back something that reduces the number of players who do that.  Aside from that, bring it in in Feb/March but just have it monitored without the open broadcast and, as above hand out fines etc before a full launch in the new season.  If it also reduced the number of instances where 4-5 players surround the ref then that's just a fringe benefit.
They've already trialled mic's on ref's and it didn't work for exactly the reason stated. The players foul mouthed rants at refs were being broadcast. To be honest, I think it's only a matter of time before they try again though.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: supertom on December 11, 2014, 11:27:03 AM
Does anyone know what Konchesky's red card was  for? The foul? The confrontation  afterwards? Or a combination  of the two? For me the tackle was late and merited a yellow.
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An FA spokesman said it was for violent conduct
Physically? Verbally?

In my live view of the incident I honestly thought that Konchesky had pushed his hand into Hutton's face - a la Benteke - and said to my mate "He's raised his hand to Hutton's face - he's gotta go."
As QB points out that isn't what happened at all. It was Hutton who did the pushing. So who made the call? The Ref? The 4th Official?
Why all the mystery surrounding such things.
Clear and simple announcements/explanations about decisions would help players, fans, refs.

mics on refs works perfectly in rugby and stops a lot of the 'angst' in the crowd for the controversial ones, I'd bring it in in football as well.  The argument is that football players would be incapable of not swearing at the ref and that would get picked up and broadcast but surely the respect campaign would back something that reduces the number of players who do that.  Aside from that, bring it in in Feb/March but just have it monitored without the open broadcast and, as above hand out fines etc before a full launch in the new season.  If it also reduced the number of instances where 4-5 players surround the ref then that's just a fringe benefit.
They've already trialled mic's on ref's and it didn't work for exactly the reason stated. The players foul mouthed rants at refs were being broadcast. To be honest, I think it's only a matter of time before they try again though.
Didn't they implement a rule that swearing at the ref would be an automatic yellow card a few years back? It never seems to be enforced really but the mics might work if it were to be.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: QBVILLA on December 11, 2014, 11:55:27 AM
Does anyone know what Konchesky's red card was  for? The foul? The confrontation  afterwards? Or a combination  of the two? For me the tackle was late and merited a yellow.
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An FA spokesman said it was for violent conduct
Physically? Verbally?

In my live view of the incident I honestly thought that Konchesky had pushed his hand into Hutton's face - a la Benteke - and said to my mate "He's raised his hand to Hutton's face - he's gotta go."
As QB points out that isn't what happened at all. It was Hutton who did the pushing. So who made the call? The Ref? The 4th Official?
Why all the mystery surrounding such things.
Clear and simple announcements/explanations about decisions would help players, fans, refs.

mics on refs works perfectly in rugby and stops a lot of the 'angst' in the crowd for the controversial ones, I'd bring it in in football as well.  The argument is that football players would be incapable of not swearing at the ref and that would get picked up and broadcast but surely the respect campaign would back something that reduces the number of players who do that.  Aside from that, bring it in in Feb/March but just have it monitored without the open broadcast and, as above hand out fines etc before a full launch in the new season.  If it also reduced the number of instances where 4-5 players surround the ref then that's just a fringe benefit.
They've already trialled mic's on ref's and it didn't work for exactly the reason stated. The players foul mouthed rants at refs were being broadcast. To be honest, I think it's only a matter of time before they try again though.

That was a good few years back now. David Elleray was reffing an Arsenal game. I recall Tony Adams calling him a cheat and getting a proper Headmaster style telling off.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 11, 2014, 12:12:48 PM
That was amusing as the Arsenal players didn't know he was wearing a mic.

Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: DBTW on December 11, 2014, 12:35:12 PM
How things have changed....officials drinking tea from a china cup and saucer.
Title: Alan Hutton new three year contract signed
Post by: Michaelol on December 11, 2014, 01:38:16 PM
can you put a section so we can post Playboy Club memorabilia photos?

There are a lot of great things out there.

David
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: paul_e on December 11, 2014, 01:47:48 PM
Didn't they implement a rule that swearing at the ref would be an automatic yellow card a few years back? It never seems to be enforced really but the mics might work if it were to be.

Exactly, that why, as I said, give it a few months of "this is happening and we will retrospectively punish clubs if their players are caught swearing on it, and we will encourage referees to warn and book players who infringe on this" and once players and clubs realise that behaviour is no longer tolerated you can move towards opening the channel.  Anything that leads to people (everyone) having more respect for referees should be encouraged and to me this is a fairly cheap and simple step on that path.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: RussellC on December 11, 2014, 01:59:27 PM
can you put a section so we can post Playboy Club memorabilia photos?

There are a lot of great things out there.

David

Can I please second this? Perhaps we can add a poll?
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: taylorsworkrate on December 11, 2014, 02:11:43 PM
That was amusing as the Arsenal players didn't know he was wearing a mic.



George Graham. What a spineless ******!!!
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: supertom on December 11, 2014, 02:18:50 PM
Didn't they implement a rule that swearing at the ref would be an automatic yellow card a few years back? It never seems to be enforced really but the mics might work if it were to be.

Exactly, that why, as I said, give it a few months of "this is happening and we will retrospectively punish clubs if their players are caught swearing on it, and we will encourage referees to warn and book players who infringe on this" and once players and clubs realise that behaviour is no longer tolerated you can move towards opening the channel.  Anything that leads to people (everyone) having more respect for referees should be encouraged and to me this is a fairly cheap and simple step on that path.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: chrisw1 on December 11, 2014, 02:25:33 PM
Didn't they implement a rule that swearing at the ref would be an automatic yellow card a few years back? It never seems to be enforced really but the mics might work if it were to be.

Exactly, that why, as I said, give it a few months of "this is happening and we will retrospectively punish clubs if their players are caught swearing on it, and we will encourage referees to warn and book players who infringe on this" and once players and clubs realise that behaviour is no longer tolerated you can move towards opening the channel.  Anything that leads to people (everyone) having more respect for referees should be encouraged and to me this is a fairly cheap and simple step on that path.

This is how it works in rugby.  Nigel Owens is a great ref and a great character.

Ignore the first two scenes they are not relevant.  But watch the rest, this is how to handle players.  I'd urge any football fan or footballer to watch it.

Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: paul_e on December 11, 2014, 02:31:05 PM
Didn't they implement a rule that swearing at the ref would be an automatic yellow card a few years back? It never seems to be enforced really but the mics might work if it were to be.

Exactly, that why, as I said, give it a few months of "this is happening and we will retrospectively punish clubs if their players are caught swearing on it, and we will encourage referees to warn and book players who infringe on this" and once players and clubs realise that behaviour is no longer tolerated you can move towards opening the channel.  Anything that leads to people (everyone) having more respect for referees should be encouraged and to me this is a fairly cheap and simple step on that path.

This is how it works in rugby.  Nigel Owens is a great ref and a great character.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FDh1xtqaWA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FDh1xtqaWA)

My favourite from, openly gay, Nigel Owens:


Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: brontebilly on December 11, 2014, 02:37:51 PM
Mics on referees in rugby work well because your average rugby crowd know the rules of the game very well, in a football crowd I doubt they'd work as well, just my opinion.

my experience of rugby and the average rugby crowd would be the complete opposite  ;D

The recentish influx of upwardly mobile types watching rugby in Ireland anyway use these mics for the precise reason that they dont know the rules. The rules of rugby tend to be implemented in a lot more subjective manner than football too.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: paul_e on December 11, 2014, 03:01:41 PM
I don't think the implmentation of football rules is any less subjective though, which is why there are calls for refs to justify their decisions.  I love to, for example, have heard an explanation for why Vidic didn't get a red for that foul in the league cup final, 9 times out of 10 that would be red without a thought so why wasn't it that time.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: fredm on December 11, 2014, 03:15:12 PM
Hutton is now on 4 yellows! another one against the Baggies and he misses the Manure game.

As is Gabby. I think you can guarantee one or both will get a card this week.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: Dr Butler on December 11, 2014, 03:48:30 PM
well done Alan....in the European team of the week :)

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-alan-hutton-rubbing-8270413

UTV
The Doc
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: taylorsworkrate on December 11, 2014, 03:52:08 PM
well done Alan....in the European team of the week :)

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-alan-hutton-rubbing-8270413

UTV
The Doc

I'm not sure I want to click on a link containing the words "Alan Hutton rubbing"
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: QBVILLA on December 11, 2014, 04:11:13 PM
I don't think the implmentation of football rules is any less subjective though, which is why there are calls for refs to justify their decisions.  I love to, for example, have heard an explanation for why Vidic didn't get a red for that foul in the league cup final, 9 times out of 10 that would be red without a thought so why wasn't it that time.


Simple. Phil Dowd is a $#$$
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on December 11, 2014, 07:52:36 PM
Hutton is now on 4 yellows! another one against the Baggies and he misses the Manure game.

As is Gabby. I think you can guarantee one or both will get a card this week.
Gabby needs to get booked again in an away match followed by a suspension for a home match. He is far less useful for our average home game, where he doesn't get the chance to use his pace against a pressing team.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: Smirker on December 12, 2014, 06:30:40 PM


He needs a song to this.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 27, 2015, 05:12:52 PM
Quote
Jores Okore says Alan Hutton is just getting better and better for Villa.

Okore calls Hutton 'Mr Reliable' for his consistently good performances in claret and blue.

But the Dane insists that Hutton has now taken his game to another level.

He said: "Alan is just so solid as a player. He's Mr Reliable.

"He just goes about his job in a calm manner and doesn't want a lot of fuss.

"He's happy playing well and doing his work well.

"When you play to a solid level every week sometimes people watching the games just expect it. There's a little bit of that with Alan.

"He is always top-class in my eyes but in some of his performances, he's really exploded in terms of his levels.

"He's just a great player. He's good on the ball, he does the dirty work, he defends strongly and he's unbelievable going forward.

"His running up and down the right side is incredible. He's been so great for us.

"Alan has been great in virtually every game he's played. He may not get the plaudits all the time because of that consistency to his game but the boys appreciate what he does.

"We don't forget what he does for us as a team. He's been superb. He's stepped in and showed what he can do."
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: Ron Manager on January 27, 2015, 05:17:09 PM
The Huttonator has just burst into tears!
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: usav on January 27, 2015, 06:28:24 PM
Not to pooh pooh what has been an otherwise great turnaround in his career, but I just wish he could cross better, then we would have a truly excellent player on our hands.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 27, 2015, 06:50:44 PM
I loved his celebration on Sunday in front of the Holte.

As for a song, I'm surprised the old Alan Evans song hasn't been adapted..

Alan Hutton, Psycho Hutton..
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: silhillvilla on January 27, 2015, 07:18:50 PM

Alan Hutton, Psycho Hutton..

Oh Alan Hutton
Psycho Hutton
La la la la la la
(Repeat).
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: Mister E on January 27, 2015, 07:21:41 PM
TBH, his focus and knuckling-down after the treatment meted out to him over the last couple of years is impressive. Yes, I know he's been well remunerated for being on the sidelines but he still seems to have some passion for the Villa which is heartwarming.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 27, 2015, 07:22:47 PM

Alan Hutton, Psycho Hutton..

Oh Alan Hutton
Psycho Hutton
La la la la la la
(Repeat).

Indeed. I just couldn't bring myself to write La la la la la la  ;)
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: silhillvilla on January 27, 2015, 07:24:47 PM
It should be
La lalalalalaaaaaah
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: ozzjim on January 28, 2015, 01:32:57 PM
TBH, his focus and knuckling-down after the treatment meted out to him over the last couple of years is impressive. Yes, I know he's been well remunerated for being on the sidelines but he still seems to have some passion for the Villa which is heartwarming.

Looking like you actually care can carry a lot of weight with fans. Guzan, Hutton and Delph epitomise this. On the other hand Cissokho always looks a funny look away from tears, while Gabby just looks vacant at all times. Benteke in recent times just looks bemused, Westwood like he should be in a suit off to the stock exchange, Gil like he should be taken back to school and Cleverley like a shit footballer.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: dcdavecollett on January 29, 2015, 12:59:37 PM
Cleverley wasn't shit last w/end.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: DrGonzo on January 29, 2015, 01:01:32 PM
Hmmmm, yes he did look decent against Championship opposition.  There's a thought.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: dcdavecollett on January 29, 2015, 01:31:15 PM
That would be right at the top of the championship, then?
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: Ron Manager on January 29, 2015, 02:10:50 PM
Cleverley started to look the part against Bournemouth. Lets hope he carries on in that fashion. Im starting to wonder about Sylla as well.

Maybe, just maybe he could come good.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: OCD on January 29, 2015, 02:54:42 PM
Cleverley wasn't shit last w/end.

Yes, he progressed to average. At least it's a step in the right direction.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 29, 2015, 03:27:36 PM
That would be right at the top of the championship, then?

Yes, right at the top of the championship, but having rested 6 players and playing their reserves.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: LeeB on January 29, 2015, 08:32:07 PM
That would be right at the top of the championship, then?

Yes, right at the top of the championship, but having rested 6 players and playing their reserves.

Didn't we make six changes though?
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: dcdavecollett on January 30, 2015, 06:05:17 PM
Yes -presumably, our injuries and absences count as well.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: eamonn on January 30, 2015, 06:14:37 PM
Cleverley started to look the part against Bournemouth. Lets hope he carries on in that fashion. Im starting to wonder about Sylla as well.

Maybe, just maybe he could come good.

Sylla? He's off acting the twat at the African Cup of Nations trying to get players sent off. The rest of the time getting the odd game for some ragarse Turkish team. I think it's time to let him go.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 30, 2015, 10:15:47 PM
Cleverley started to look the part against Bournemouth. Lets hope he carries on in that fashion. Im starting to wonder about Sylla as well.

Maybe, just maybe he could come good.

Sylla? He's off acting the twat at the African Cup of Nations trying to get players sent off. The rest of the time getting the odd game for some ragarse Turkish team. I think it's time to let him go.

that clip of him faking being head butted was utterly horrible wasn't it? He does look harder though with a shaved head even if it has seemingly contributed to making him more of a twat as you correctly point out.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: villan from luton on January 30, 2015, 10:23:28 PM
I agree Cleverley has been a let down, but certainly do not agree to him being a shit player. Ferguson would not have picked him for how long if he was that. He has talent and if he is to play, it has to be in his correct position than out wide.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 04, 2015, 04:12:29 PM
Hutton plays the ball, perfectly fair challenge and no mistake.

https://vine.co/v/O0gaWI0nXqq
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: simon ward 50 on March 04, 2015, 04:15:31 PM
2 game ban now though!
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: Brend'Watkins on March 04, 2015, 04:17:55 PM
I do like Hutton and the way he now applies himself.  I can't help but feel he who would be far more suited to football that was played 40 years ago. 
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 04, 2015, 04:23:44 PM
Alan Hutton: Hero or Villain? (http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2015/mar/04/alan-hutton-aston-villa-rugged-style-tim-sherwood)
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: N'ZMAV on March 04, 2015, 04:50:10 PM
Decent player. But a bit of a prick with a temper.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: Des Little on March 04, 2015, 04:52:37 PM
He's been a revelation this season.  Yeah his temperament is a concern, but every team needs a hard/dirty Scottish bastard in it, and he's ours.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: cheltenhamlion on March 04, 2015, 04:53:17 PM
The Olbiyun fans I know hate Hutton so he is alright by me.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: The Left Side on March 04, 2015, 06:00:25 PM
He's been a revelation this season.  Yeah his temperament is a concern, but every team needs a hard/dirty Scottish bastard in it, and he's ours.

This
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: Witton Warrior on March 04, 2015, 06:10:49 PM
There was a fair bit going on off the ball last night - body checks and the like
Who was it had his elbow across Gabby's throat in the second half and got the decision?
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: brontebilly on March 04, 2015, 06:12:13 PM
He's been a revelation this season.  Yeah his temperament is a concern, but every team needs a hard/dirty Scottish bastard in it, and he's ours.

There is a difference between hard and dirty. Hutton is in the latter category.

Giving away that freekick alone could have cost us the game last night given the advantage they held over us at set piece time. Red card would have put us in huge trouble for the last few mins. Dont think that kind of idiotic behaviour should be applauded at all from any Villa player.

Spoiled his best display in ages for us last night in what has been a solid season for him.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: LTA on March 04, 2015, 06:26:46 PM
Just seen this update on Facebook.

Wish the vile would stop going on about the Cropley injury.  Yes it was a bad injury, but he was unlucky.  That dirty bastard Hutton knew wot he was doing.  1000 per cent worse.  #Cobb#sotv
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: Ad@m on March 04, 2015, 06:32:12 PM
I think Hutton's been rock solid this season and last night he was quality. The only issue I have with the tackle last night was that it wasn't on that twat Gardner.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: Legion on March 04, 2015, 06:34:41 PM
Crowley?
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 04, 2015, 06:37:43 PM
Crowley?

shame on you Leeg. You don't know who Alex Crowley is?
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 04, 2015, 06:40:02 PM
That well known Villa player Aleister Crowley.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: LeeB on March 04, 2015, 07:09:34 PM
That well known Villa player Aleister Crowley.

Something of an occult hero.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: supertom on March 04, 2015, 10:57:06 PM
Gardner went in with one pretty dirty challenge and fortunately didn't connect as solidly as the beady eyed little twonk probably wanted to.
Yes Huttons tackle was bad, but West Brom were hardly smelling of roses last night.

But anyway. Hutton has been excellent this season. A remarkable career turnaround for him. I like him. He's aggressive. Too aggressive at times, but we need a character like that. There's not that much grit running through our side. He's also good at trying to gee up the other players.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: paul_e on March 04, 2015, 11:21:58 PM
Gardner went in with one pretty dirty challenge and fortunately didn't connect as solidly as the beady eyed little twonk probably wanted to.
Yes Huttons tackle was bad, but West Brom were hardly smelling of roses last night.

But anyway. Hutton has been excellent this season. A remarkable career turnaround for him. I like him. He's aggressive. Too aggressive at times, but we need a character like that. There's not that much grit running through our side. He's also good at trying to gee up the other players.

That was on Hutton a few minutes before and I think the Berahino one was Hutton's first challenge after it, I think he lost his temper a bit and decided to give someone a kick.  He needs to reign that in a touch, being aggressive is ok but when it's leading to bans you're taking it too far too often.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: Ads on March 04, 2015, 11:29:50 PM
Hutton gets right under their skin because of that challenge that effectively ended Shane Long's career. Oh.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: Gregorys Boy on March 04, 2015, 11:43:50 PM
Still not a big Hutton fan.  Seeing him hobble down the wing attempting to cross the ball is just painful :-[ His best use is as a street fighter but sadly Football doesn't let him get away with that nowadays ;)
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on March 04, 2015, 11:45:22 PM
tbf (?) Hutton already has his foot raised to cushion the ball as it drops and Berahino runs towards him. Our Alan simply leaves his foot in place (to aid balance, obviously) and gives a gentle push in the direction of Berahino's wedding tackle.
Happens all the time.

McCauley wiping out Grealish when the ball was 10 yards away was ok though?
If we're gonna be picky we need to be picky about everything, not just the foot near the testicles stuff.
;-)
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: Ian. on March 04, 2015, 11:56:20 PM
I like him, he's been one of the only positives of our season and is a very solid full back. Prior to this season though I was not a fan of him. Fair play to him for knuckling down and just getting on with it when most fans and the manager had written him off.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: Mossie Hennebry on March 05, 2015, 12:11:28 AM
Player of the year is between himself and Clark thus far
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: QBVILLA on March 05, 2015, 06:39:34 AM
He's been a revelation this season.  Yeah his temperament is a concern, but every team needs a hard/dirty Scottish bastard in it, and he's ours.

There is a difference between hard and dirty. Hutton is in the latter category.

Giving away that freekick alone could have cost us the game last night given the advantage they held over us at set piece time. Red card would have put us in huge trouble for the last few mins. Dont think that kind of idiotic behaviour should be applauded at all from any Villa player.

Spoiled his best display in ages for us last night in what has been a solid season for him.

Spot on. His yellow card alone means we're missing yet another defender through a needless suspension.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: Tom_Mc9? on March 05, 2015, 09:17:10 AM
Player of the year is between himself and Clark thus far

Yep. Also file that statement under 'Things I never, ever thought would be the case. Ever.'
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: TheMalandro on March 05, 2015, 09:48:04 AM
Idiotic behaviour from an experienced player, should be able to control himself when the games are so critical for us.


Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: UK Redsox on March 05, 2015, 10:38:54 AM
He's been a revelation this season.  Yeah his temperament is a concern, but every team needs a hard/dirty Scottish bastard in it, and he's ours.

This

Yep, its a shame that Hutton isn't a central midfielder.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: supertom on March 05, 2015, 11:30:38 AM
Idiotic behaviour from an experienced player, should be able to control himself when the games are so critical for us.

Players like that will never change. See also Roy Keane, Wayne Rooney. And even if they did, they'd probably be a lesser player because of it. The negative is that you have a player who'll miss games every season from suspension, but at the same time, I think most clubs do need a double hard bastard who shits up the opposition a bit. We in particular need someone like Hutton because the vast majority of our squad wouldn't be deemed butch enough for a chorus line.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: TheMalandro on March 05, 2015, 11:37:38 AM
Idiotic behaviour from an experienced player, should be able to control himself when the games are so critical for us.

Players like that will never change. See also Roy Keane, Wayne Rooney. And even if they did, they'd probably be a lesser player because of it. The negative is that you have a player who'll miss games every season from suspension, but at the same time, I think most clubs do need a double hard bastard who shits up the opposition a bit. We in particular need someone like Hutton because the vast majority of our squad wouldn't be deemed butch enough for a chorus line.

I understand that but it just seemed so bloody pointless
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: Chris Smith on March 05, 2015, 11:43:06 AM
Idiotic behaviour from an experienced player, should be able to control himself when the games are so critical for us.

Players like that will never change. See also Roy Keane, Wayne Rooney. And even if they did, they'd probably be a lesser player because of it. The negative is that you have a player who'll miss games every season from suspension, but at the same time, I think most clubs do need a double hard bastard who shits up the opposition a bit. We in particular need someone like Hutton because the vast majority of our squad wouldn't be deemed butch enough for a chorus line.

I agree with all of that. It is a fine line between being hard and being dirty and one that players are bound to cross every now and then but it is a necessary part of the game when you are scrapping for league survival.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on March 05, 2015, 11:57:50 AM
Whilst so many of our players have hidden this season, Hutton takes ownership. Every game he's given it his best. So many times he's tried through his ventures in attack to drag the team forward. I'd love to see him win Player of the Year.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: john e on March 05, 2015, 12:12:58 PM
When we had a back four of Bennett, Baker, Clark, Lowton it was just too nice and timid, every game they got turned over, opposition strikers had no fear of that back line

We now know that at least 3 of them will probably go on and have good careers and have developed into decent defenders,
But that's why we need Hutton, I would hate Hutton if he played against us, he is a dirty player in my view, but he makes the difference , he takes no prisoners goes too far at times, but we need someone in the back 4 who will stand up and take no shit, and that's what he does,

I'm sure he has the fear factor as well, you can't tell me an opposition player will feel the same way about flying into a tackle with Hutton as they would with say Lowton or Westwood,

So we need a nasty player, not to many but just one or two that make sure no one takes advantage
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: supertom on March 05, 2015, 12:24:17 PM
Idiotic behaviour from an experienced player, should be able to control himself when the games are so critical for us.

Players like that will never change. See also Roy Keane, Wayne Rooney. And even if they did, they'd probably be a lesser player because of it. The negative is that you have a player who'll miss games every season from suspension, but at the same time, I think most clubs do need a double hard bastard who shits up the opposition a bit. We in particular need someone like Hutton because the vast majority of our squad wouldn't be deemed butch enough for a chorus line.

I understand that but it just seemed so bloody pointless
Well he certainly didn't need to go as far as trying to rid the world of Berahino offspring, but with players like that they're going to cross the line every now and again and no amount of fines, yellow, red cards or suspensions are likely to change that really.

That said if he gets himself sent off in the cup final after two minutes I will be monumentally pissed off with him.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: LeeB on March 05, 2015, 02:24:40 PM
Idiotic behaviour from an experienced player, should be able to control himself when the games are so critical for us.

Players like that will never change. See also Roy Keane, Wayne Rooney. And even if they did, they'd probably be a lesser player because of it. The negative is that you have a player who'll miss games every season from suspension, but at the same time, I think most clubs do need a double hard bastard who shits up the opposition a bit. We in particular need someone like Hutton because the vast majority of our squad wouldn't be deemed butch enough for a chorus line.

I understand that but it just seemed so bloody pointless
Well he certainly didn't need to go as far as trying to rid the world of Berahino offspring, but with players like that they're going to cross the line every now and again and no amount of fines, yellow, red cards or suspensions are likely to change that really.

That said if he gets himself sent off in the cup final after two minutes I will be monumentally pissed off with him.

It's not going to happen because he's going to score the late winner, with a 35 yard thunderbastard.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 05, 2015, 02:45:17 PM
I like Hutton.

I know he can't cross for shit, but he's solid defensively and prepared to at least get the ball up field by way of running with it rather than just launching it.

I also get the impression we have too many fannies in our side. Sherwood and Lambert have both said it is a quiet dressing room, and on the pitch we don't really have many hard cases, so I like the fact we've got Hutton there.

As for Albion, what a bunch of whining twats. Boo hooing about that Shane Long tackle, still.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 05, 2015, 02:47:31 PM
Idiotic behaviour from an experienced player, should be able to control himself when the games are so critical for us.

Players like that will never change. See also Roy Keane, Wayne Rooney. And even if they did, they'd probably be a lesser player because of it. The negative is that you have a player who'll miss games every season from suspension, but at the same time, I think most clubs do need a double hard bastard who shits up the opposition a bit. We in particular need someone like Hutton because the vast majority of our squad wouldn't be deemed butch enough for a chorus line.

I understand that but it just seemed so bloody pointless
Well he certainly didn't need to go as far as trying to rid the world of Berahino offspring, but with players like that they're going to cross the line every now and again and no amount of fines, yellow, red cards or suspensions are likely to change that really.

That said if he gets himself sent off in the cup final after two minutes I will be monumentally pissed off with him.

It's not going to happen because he's going to score the late winner, with a 35 yard thunderbastard.

It'll be like this.

"Shit! Did you see that?"

Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: silhillvilla on March 05, 2015, 03:12:28 PM
Scottish Cafu has been like a new signing this season.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 05, 2015, 03:34:41 PM
Weimann has been like a new signing this season, too.

Guy Whittingham
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: dave.woodhall on March 05, 2015, 04:08:22 PM
Every successful Villa team has had a mental Scottish influence.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 05, 2015, 04:16:39 PM
Every successful Villa team has had a mental Scottish influence.

The 94 and 96 team must be the first in yonks to have won something without a Scot. Unless i'm forgetting someone.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: RussellC on March 05, 2015, 04:19:59 PM
Every successful Villa team has had a mental Scottish influence.

The 94 and 96 team must be the first in yonks to have won something without a Scot. Unless i'm forgetting someone.

Ray Houghton was Scottish really.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: LeeB on March 05, 2015, 04:22:54 PM
Every successful Villa team has had a mental Scottish influence.

The 94 and 96 team must be the first in yonks to have won something without a Scot. Unless i'm forgetting someone.

Ray Houghton was Scottish really.

And Tommy Johnson was both ridiculously ginger and from Newcastle, which is close enough.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: Dr Butler on March 05, 2015, 04:24:21 PM
Scottish Cafu has been like a new signing this season.

McCafu the terrible ?

UTV
The Doc
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: dave.woodhall on March 05, 2015, 04:24:46 PM
Allan Evans was assistant manager in 1996.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: Brend'Watkins on March 05, 2015, 04:24:48 PM
Every successful Villa team has had a mental Scottish influence.

The 94 and 96 team must be the first in yonks to have won something without a Scot. Unless i'm forgetting someone.

Ray Houghton was Scottish really.

Graham Fenton looked Scottish and came from the small Scottish fishing village Whitley Bay.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: RussellC on March 05, 2015, 04:27:17 PM
As an aside - what ever happened to Neil Tarrant??
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: LeeB on March 05, 2015, 04:30:52 PM
As an aside - what ever happened to Neil Tarrant??

Never did anything once the Pet Shop Boys packed it in.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: Legion on March 05, 2015, 04:30:57 PM
He formed The Pet Shop Boys.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton - new three year contract signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 05, 2015, 04:32:38 PM
Sponged off his dad Chris.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton retires
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 06, 2016, 02:44:02 AM
From international football.

Quote
Scotland have suffered their latest personnel blow with Alan Hutton having confirmed his retirement from international duty. The Aston Villa right-back, who won 50 caps, informed Gordon Strachan of his decision before the squad for Friday’s World Cup qualifier with England was announced in midweek.

Hutton, 31, made his Scotland debut in a friendly against Austria in May 2007. He was part of the team that memorably defeated France 1-0 in Paris, four months later. More recently, Hutton was a routine starter under Strachan even when out of the first-team picture at Villa. His cap haul earned the former Rangers and Tottenham player a spot in Scotland’s international hall of fame.

“I feel this is the right time to spend more time with my family, put everything I have professionally into doing well at Villa and give others a chance for Scotland,” Hutton told The Observer. “I’ve had a really enjoyable nine years with Scotland and would like to think I have done my bit for my country.

“I’d like to thank all the managers I have played under, especially Gordon for sticking by me when I wasn’t a club regular. We had a couple of good chats over the last few weeks and I appreciate his understanding. I wish both Gordon and the team all the best for the future.”

Scotland fielded Callum Paterson at right-back against Malta in the opening match of their 2018 World Cup qualifying campaign. After Hutton withdrew from the squad for the matches against Lithuania and Slovakia, the Hearts player retained his place. Paterson, though, remains the only natural right-back in the Scotland party to play England. Russell Martin, who has played there for Norwich City, has been deployed as a centre-back by Strachan.

Celtic’s Scott Brown, who retired from international duty in September only to reverse his decision, is back in the Scotland squad but is a doubt with a numb foot sustained in Celtic’s 3-0 win on Saturday. Tow of Strachan’s left backs, Kieran Tierney and Andy Robertson, have been rendered unavailable because of injury.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton retires
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 06, 2016, 09:28:45 AM
That change to the title nearly gave me a hard on...
Title: Re: Alan Hutton retires
Post by: TheMalandro on November 07, 2016, 09:52:51 AM
Hutton is wrecking Adomah's game.

How many rampaging runs and failed crosses did our right back do on Saturday? Pass short Alan and leave it to the talented players.

Title: Re: Alan Hutton retires
Post by: eamonn on November 07, 2016, 12:00:33 PM
Disgraceful thread title - what are we, The Sun?!
Title: Re: Alan Hutton retires
Post by: UK Redsox on November 07, 2016, 12:54:42 PM
Hutton was the only one on Saturday who seemed to understand the 'head for the cornerflag with a couple of minutes left' tactic. The others were still heading towards the box and giving the ball away.

After Alan had managed waste a minute or so in the corner and was heading back down field, a few of us in the LTR gave him a warm round of applause.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton retires
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 07, 2016, 02:29:41 PM
Hutton was the only one on Saturday who seemed to understand the 'head for the cornerflag with a couple of minutes left' tactic. The others were still heading towards the box and giving the ball away.

After Alan had managed waste a minute or so in the corner and was heading back down field, a few of us in the LTR gave him a warm round of applause.

Adomah did it aswell.

Don't get me wrong Hutton tries his best and gives 100% but if ever a player summed up our lack of quality at times it's him.

I think teams down here are now working out what prem teams did...allow him room to run down the right as his crosses are always overhit/out of play.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton retires
Post by: dave.woodhall on November 07, 2016, 02:32:41 PM
Hutton was the only one on Saturday who seemed to understand the 'head for the cornerflag with a couple of minutes left' tactic. The others were still heading towards the box and giving the ball away.

After Alan had managed waste a minute or so in the corner and was heading back down field, a few of us in the LTR gave him a warm round of applause.

Adomah did it aswell.

Don't get me wrong Hutton tries his best and gives 100% but if ever a player summed up our lack of quality at times it's him.

I think teams down here are now working out what prem teams did...allow him room to run down the right as his crosses are always overhit/out of play.

He's third choice right back for a mid-table Championship team. I think he can be excused for not being Carlos Alberto II.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton retires
Post by: dave shelley on November 07, 2016, 03:20:37 PM
I've said it before and at the risk of being boring I'll say it again, I like Alan Hutton.  A great footballer he surely a'int, but he sure as hell doesn't lack effort.  There are a minimum of nine from last season that would do well to try and follow that example.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton retires
Post by: Legion on November 07, 2016, 03:53:30 PM
I've said it before and at the risk of being boring I'll say it again, I like Alan Hutton.  A great footballer he surely a'int, but he sure as hell doesn't lack effort.  There are a minimum of nine from last season that would do well to try and follow that example.

Agreed.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton retires
Post by: Lobsterboy on November 07, 2016, 05:04:02 PM
He may not be Cafu but with all other options at right back currently injured I am more than happy for him to not risk getting injured playing for Scotland
Title: Re: Alan Hutton retires
Post by: usav on November 07, 2016, 07:16:16 PM
I've said it before and at the risk of being boring I'll say it again, I like Alan Hutton.  A great footballer he surely a'int, but he sure as hell doesn't lack effort.  There are a minimum of nine from last season that would do well to try and follow that example.

Agreed.
I'll add my name to this wacky line of thinking as well.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton retires
Post by: class-of-82 on November 07, 2016, 08:10:42 PM
Ditto
Title: Re: Alan Hutton retires
Post by: Goldie.7 on November 07, 2016, 08:12:06 PM
Get rid as soon as.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton retires
Post by: Pete3206 on November 07, 2016, 08:16:22 PM
Get rid as soon as.

Cracking stuff
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Goldie.7 on November 07, 2016, 08:23:07 PM
Get rid as soon as.

Cracking stuff

Hey Pete if you rate the guy fair enough. I don't and would like to see him out the door with that other waste of space Arsenal fan as soon as possible.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: LeeB on November 07, 2016, 08:46:25 PM
I've said it before and at the risk of being boring I'll say it again, I like Alan Hutton.  A great footballer he surely a'int, but he sure as hell doesn't lack effort.  There are a minimum of nine from last season that would do well to try and follow that example.

Agreed.
I'll add my name to this wacky line of thinking as well.

Me too. His attitude and professionalism given how he was treated for two years marks him out from many of his peers.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton retires
Post by: tomd2103 on November 07, 2016, 08:46:53 PM
Hutton was the only one on Saturday who seemed to understand the 'head for the cornerflag with a couple of minutes left' tactic. The others were still heading towards the box and giving the ball away.

After Alan had managed waste a minute or so in the corner and was heading back down field, a few of us in the LTR gave him a warm round of applause.

Adomah did it aswell.

Don't get me wrong Hutton tries his best and gives 100% but if ever a player summed up our lack of quality at times it's him.

I think teams down here are now working out what prem teams did...allow him room to run down the right as his crosses are always overhit/out of play.

He's third choice right back for a mid-table Championship team. I think he can be excused for not being Carlos Alberto II.

Not many third choice right backs at Championship clubs have been transferred for £9m in their career.  He has a strange knack of looking poor against pretty much any level of opposition. 
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on November 07, 2016, 08:50:43 PM
I've said it before and at the risk of being boring I'll say it again, I like Alan Hutton.  A great footballer he surely a'int, but he sure as hell doesn't lack effort.  There are a minimum of nine from last season that would do well to try and follow that example.

Agreed.
I'll add my name to this wacky line of thinking as well.

Me too. His attitude and professionalism given how he was treated for two years marks him out from many of his peers.

this

compare his attitude to richards, gabby and lescotj
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: paul_e on November 07, 2016, 08:52:44 PM
No complaints about his fitness or his attitude which are both very good but he's poor at pretty much everything else.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: LeeB on November 07, 2016, 08:55:27 PM
No complaints about his fitness or his attitude which are both very good but he's poor at pretty much everything else.

Even darts?
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Risso on November 07, 2016, 09:04:50 PM
Is he really that bad?  He's played in all of the recent improved performances, and the defence as a whole has looked much better.  He's never going to be the best player at the club, but he surely isn't the worst.  Perfectly good enough for this season at least I'd argue.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: West Derby Villan on November 07, 2016, 09:11:19 PM
He does his best and has done since he returned to team, surely that's all we can ask of a squad player.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: in exile on November 07, 2016, 09:17:16 PM
He does his best and has done since he returned to team, surely that's all we can ask of a squad player.

Unless his best isn't good enough
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on November 07, 2016, 09:34:53 PM
bit dodgy positionally at times but he gets a pass with his crossing seeing as he is a full back and not a winger

bugger me we have players who cant take corners but he gets shit because he cant cross
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: paul_e on November 07, 2016, 09:37:24 PM
Is he really that bad?  He's played in all of the recent improved performances, and the defence as a whole has looked much better.  He's never going to be the best player at the club, but he surely isn't the worst.  Perfectly good enough for this season at least I'd argue.

Look at the error against the blues, look at all the crossing chances where he hits the crowd, watch him in a game and see how often he's standing still whilst his winger spins in behind him.  I agree he may not be the worst player at the club but he's only a couple of steps away from it at his very best.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: tomd2103 on November 07, 2016, 10:17:04 PM
Is he really that bad? He's played in all of the recent improved performances, and the defence as a whole has looked much better.  He's never going to be the best player at the club, but he surely isn't the worst.  Perfectly good enough for this season at least I'd argue.

I think the answer to that would be yes.  Shame that De Laet got injured as he looked like the solid option we need at full-back.  I would much rather have Bacuna at RB than Hutton in his absence. 
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Goldie.7 on November 08, 2016, 12:24:44 AM
Is he really that bad? He's played in all of the recent improved performances.

He also played in the loses against Wednesday, Luton and Preston. If we go on a Leeds type run with him in the team even i'll shut up.

The fact we've picked up 11 points from 15 is down to a hand full of players doing their jobs or their form improving.... Hutton isn't one of them.

I also remember when he came back into the team from the cold in 2014, people were saying exactly the same thing they are now. How long did that last... 4 or 5 games?

Obviously I don't want him to majorly fuck up when he's in the team but do I trust him to do a job from first to final whistle........... Hell no!!

Thank fuck it's his last year.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 08, 2016, 12:36:21 AM
It's all good and well if he tries hard. He's a complete liability as a footballer. We need footballers who give effort not individuals that give the impression they have never played the game before.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 08, 2016, 01:04:14 AM
Is he really that bad?  He's played in all of the recent improved performances, and the defence as a whole has looked much better.  He's never going to be the best player at the club, but he surely isn't the worst.  Perfectly good enough for this season at least I'd argue.

Agreed. I'd rather he was playing on Friday too as I don't rate Paterson.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: PeterWithe on November 08, 2016, 07:07:01 AM
I like him, he's not great and he'd need replacing if we ever went up but for now he's fine, a good example to the others in terms of making the most of limited talent.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: brontebilly on November 08, 2016, 08:17:21 AM
Is he really that bad?  He's played in all of the recent improved performances, and the defence as a whole has looked much better.  He's never going to be the best player at the club, but he surely isn't the worst.  Perfectly good enough for this season at least I'd argue.

Look at the error against the blues, look at all the crossing chances where he hits the crowd, watch him in a game and see how often he's standing still whilst his winger spins in behind him.  I agree he may not be the worst player at the club but he's only a couple of steps away from it at his very best.

Agreed he is an awful footballer and has been for years. Trying hard and being fit should be taken as a basic requirement of any player at the club.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Witton Warrior on November 08, 2016, 08:25:28 AM
Is he really that bad?  He's played in all of the recent improved performances, and the defence as a whole has looked much better.  He's never going to be the best player at the club, but he surely isn't the worst.  Perfectly good enough for this season at least I'd argue.

Look at the error against the blues, look at all the crossing chances where he hits the crowd, watch him in a game and see how often he's standing still whilst his winger spins in behind him.  I agree he may not be the worst player at the club but he's only a couple of steps away from it at his very best.

Agreed he is an awful footballer and has been for years. Trying hard and being fit should be taken as a basic requirement of any player at the club.

Agree brontebilly but I give him a lot of credit for not just sinking into the mire along with all lazy bastards as it would have been easy to just give up
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: West Derby Villan on November 08, 2016, 10:02:44 AM
Is he really that bad?  He's played in all of the recent improved performances, and the defence as a whole has looked much better.  He's never going to be the best player at the club, but he surely isn't the worst.  Perfectly good enough for this season at least I'd argue.

Look at the error against the blues, look at all the crossing chances where he hits the crowd, watch him in a game and see how often he's standing still whilst his winger spins in behind him.  I agree he may not be the worst player at the club but he's only a couple of steps away from it at his very best.

Agreed he is an awful footballer and has been for years. Trying hard and being fit should be taken as a basic requirement of any player at the club.

Agree brontebilly but I give him a lot of credit for not just sinking into the mire along with all lazy bastards as it would have been easy to just give up

Agree Witton, he didn't and with his experience with the bomb squad he had every right too
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: chrisw1 on November 08, 2016, 10:04:24 AM
Is he really that bad?  He's played in all of the recent improved performances, and the defence as a whole has looked much better.  He's never going to be the best player at the club, but he surely isn't the worst.  Perfectly good enough for this season at least I'd argue.

Look at the error against the blues, look at all the crossing chances where he hits the crowd, watch him in a game and see how often he's standing still whilst his winger spins in behind him.  I agree he may not be the worst player at the club but he's only a couple of steps away from it at his very best.

Agreed he is an awful footballer and has been for years. Trying hard and being fit should be taken as a basic requirement of any player at the club.

Awful is a bit much.  There were many occasions in the dark days he was pretty much out best player.  He has heart & spirit and never say die attitude.  Bear in mind it is always harder when the players around you are shite and you are having to cover for them.  I agree he has limitations and is no Roberto Carlos, but I don't think he is anyway near as bad as some make out.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Goldie.7 on November 09, 2016, 01:31:02 AM
His attitude and professionalism given how he was treated for two years marks him out from many of his peers.

£30,000+ a week for doing nothing and you'll never hear a peep from me either.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: TheTimVilla on November 09, 2016, 07:45:03 AM
Is he really that bad?  He's played in all of the recent improved performances, and the defence as a whole has looked much better.  He's never going to be the best player at the club, but he surely isn't the worst.  Perfectly good enough for this season at least I'd argue.

Look at the error against the blues, look at all the crossing chances where he hits the crowd, watch him in a game and see how often he's standing still whilst his winger spins in behind him.  I agree he may not be the worst player at the club but he's only a couple of steps away from it at his very best.

Agreed he is an awful footballer and has been for years. Trying hard and being fit should be taken as a basic requirement of any player at the club.

Awful is a bit much.  There were many occasions in the dark days he was pretty much out best player.  He has heart & spirit and never say die attitude.  Bear in mind it is always harder when the players around you are shite and you are having to cover for them.  I agree he has limitations and is no Roberto Carlos, but I don't think he is anyway near as bad as some make out.

Agreed, he is more of a Cafu. I don't particularly rate him but he's the least worst right back option we have at the moment.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: auntiesledd on November 09, 2016, 10:02:53 AM
Is he really that bad?  He's played in all of the recent improved performances, and the defence as a whole has looked much better.  He's never going to be the best player at the club, but he surely isn't the worst.  Perfectly good enough for this season at least I'd argue.

Look at the error against the blues, look at all the crossing chances where he hits the crowd, watch him in a game and see how often he's standing still whilst his winger spins in behind him.  I agree he may not be the worst player at the club but he's only a couple of steps away from it at his very best.

Agreed he is an awful footballer and has been for years. Trying hard and being fit should be taken as a basic requirement of any player at the club.

Awful is a bit much.  There were many occasions in the dark days he was pretty much out best player.  He has heart & spirit and never say die attitude.  Bear in mind it is always harder when the players around you are shite and you are having to cover for them.  I agree he has limitations and is no Roberto Carlos, but I don't think he is anyway near as bad as some make out.

Agreed, he is more of a Cafu. I don't particularly rate him but he's the least worst right back option we have at the moment.

Given Amavi & Cissoko's contributions to defensive solidity, he could be in with a shout of being the least worst left-back option we have too!
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: The Edge on November 09, 2016, 10:12:31 AM
Is he really that bad?  He's played in all of the recent improved performances, and the defence as a whole has looked much better.  He's never going to be the best player at the club, but he surely isn't the worst.  Perfectly good enough for this season at least I'd argue.

Look at the error against the blues, look at all the crossing chances where he hits the crowd, watch him in a game and see how often he's standing still whilst his winger spins in behind him.  I agree he may not be the worst player at the club but he's only a couple of steps away from it at his very best.

Agreed he is an awful footballer and has been for years. Trying hard and being fit should be taken as a basic requirement of any player at the club.

Awful is a bit much.  There were many occasions in the dark days he was pretty much out best player.  He has heart & spirit and never say die attitude.  Bear in mind it is always harder when the players around you are shite and you are having to cover for them.  I agree he has limitations and is no Roberto Carlos, but I don't think he is anyway near as bad as some make out.

Agreed, he is more of a Cafu. I don't particularly rate him but he's the least worst right back option we have at the moment.

Given Amavi & Cissoko's contributions to defensive solidity, he could be in with a shout of being the least worst left-back option we have too!
Speaking of which. What the hell has happened to Amavi? He just doesn't look the part this season. Had high hopes for him too.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: old man villa fan on November 09, 2016, 02:27:49 PM
I still think he flatters to deceive and gets favourable support because of a seemingly good attitude.  For a player that Spurs paid £9m for and the level he achieved earlier in his career, why has ended up playing like he does.  Perhaps his attitude to the game is not that good and that is why his career has tailed off dramatically. Granted, he doesn't show the disregard for the club and supporters that others have shown but attitude can be measured in different ways.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: achilles on November 09, 2016, 02:48:45 PM
I feel that Hutton comes in for a lot of unfair criticism, on Saturday I thought he was superb except for his crossing which was too 'floaty' for my liking but it is very difficult when Villa weren't playing with a centre froward and we all know our midfield players get a nose bleed if they enter the penalty area. McCormack and Kodjia aren't players that actually attack crosses they tend to pounce on defensive mistakes.

On the issue of crosses what about Amavi in the first half, does brilliantly to actually get to the byline and then with all the time in the world, as the Blackburn players were appealing for the ball having gone out for a throw in, proceeds to pass the ball to a Blackburn player! If that had been Hutton he would have been vilified but as far as I can tell nobody has mentioned this incident.   
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: JB1811 on November 09, 2016, 02:54:40 PM
Is De Laet that much of an improvement really? It seems like a lot of money for not a great deal of improvement in the grans scheme of things...sometimes I honestly suspected it was just Hutton in a wig.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: eamonn on November 09, 2016, 05:21:30 PM
How much was De Laet?
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: cheltenhamlion on November 09, 2016, 06:19:50 PM
I will tell you what is a miss. De Laet has a fucking huge throw in in his locker.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: aj2k77 on November 09, 2016, 06:34:14 PM
How much was De Laet?

£2.5m or thereabouts?
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: LeeB on November 09, 2016, 07:16:40 PM
How much was De Laet?

£2.5m or thereabouts?

More or less fuck all these days.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: tomd2103 on November 09, 2016, 10:11:08 PM
Is De Laet that much of an improvement really? It seems like a lot of money for not a great deal of improvement in the grans scheme of things...sometimes I honestly suspected it was just Hutton in a wig.

Disagree with this, as he looked a more solid option than Hutton.  Think he would link up well with Adomah as well. 
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: West Derby Villan on November 09, 2016, 11:18:47 PM
Is De Laet that much of an improvement really? It seems like a lot of money for not a great deal of improvement in the grans scheme of things...sometimes I honestly suspected it was just Hutton in a wig.

Disagree with this, as he looked a more solid option than Hutton.  Think he would link up well with Adomah as well.


Yeah I agree, thought he looked quite promising before the unfortunate injury
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: ktvillan on November 09, 2016, 11:52:37 PM
A couple of days after reading some of these comments I'm still shaking my head in disbelief that there are people who still think Hutton has a great attitude and always puts in a shift.  He quite simply hasn't and doesn't.  That fact is blindingly obvious to anyone who watches him with more than a passing interest.   Steaming up the pitch, and then floating in a useless cross straight into the keepers waiting hands or half way up the stand, and then jogging nonchalantly back to his own half as a spectator to the inevitable counter attack resulting from his inept delivery, usually arriving back in time to see the player he should have been marking make use of the yawning Hutton shaped hole in our defence to create or score a goal, does not, in my book, constitute putting in a shift or showing a great attitude.  OK he hasn't slagged off the club, and he came back from the bomb squad with a bit of integrity, but please let's not confuse that with any actual footballing ability or bust a gut attitude when called upon to perform.  These days he barely seems able to muster the enthusiasm to indulge in his more thuggish tendencies.   If ever a player was going through the motions, it's Hutton.  And not very effectively either.  If he was that bothered, he'd have been out on the training pitch learning and practising how to whip in a dangerous cross.  He obviously either can't be bothered to do this, or he's tried and proved incapable of doing it.  Neither outcome speaks volumes about him as a player, nor about his attitude or commitment.  Not adequate at all, not even at this level.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: dave shelley on November 10, 2016, 09:34:36 AM
A couple of days after reading some of these comments I'm still shaking my head in disbelief that there are people who still think Hutton has a great attitude and always puts in a shift.  He quite simply hasn't and doesn't.  That fact is blindingly obvious to anyone who watches him with more than a passing interest.   Steaming up the pitch, and then floating in a useless cross straight into the keepers waiting hands or half way up the stand, and then jogging nonchalantly back to his own half as a spectator to the inevitable counter attack resulting from his inept delivery, usually arriving back in time to see the player he should have been marking make use of the yawning Hutton shaped hole in our defence to create or score a goal, does not, in my book, constitute putting in a shift or showing a great attitude.  OK he hasn't slagged off the club, and he came back from the bomb squad with a bit of integrity, but please let's not confuse that with any actual footballing ability or bust a gut attitude when called upon to perform.  These days he barely seems able to muster the enthusiasm to indulge in his more thuggish tendencies.   If ever a player was going through the motions, it's Hutton.  And not very effectively either.  If he was that bothered, he'd have been out on the training pitch learning and practising how to whip in a dangerous cross.  He obviously either can't be bothered to do this, or he's tried and proved incapable of doing it.  Neither outcome speaks volumes about him as a player, nor about his attitude or commitment.  Not adequate at all, not even at this level.

I can't be arsed to go back over sixty-odd pages but, I can almost guarantee that no one has said that Alan Hutton is any kind of a good footballer, so no one is confused.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Risso on November 10, 2016, 09:38:52 AM
I do actually think he's decent enough. Sorry.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: auntiesledd on November 10, 2016, 11:10:04 AM
I will tell you what is a miss. De Laet has a fucking huge throw in in his locker.

You'll be telling us next that he also has the remarkable ability of throwing the ball to a player in the same coloured shirt!  :o
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: achilles on November 10, 2016, 12:15:28 PM
A couple of days after reading some of these comments I'm still shaking my head in disbelief that there are people who still think Hutton has a great attitude and always puts in a shift.  He quite simply hasn't and doesn't.  That fact is blindingly obvious to anyone who watches him with more than a passing interest.   Steaming up the pitch, and then floating in a useless cross straight into the keepers waiting hands or half way up the stand, and then jogging nonchalantly back to his own half as a spectator to the inevitable counter attack resulting from his inept delivery, usually arriving back in time to see the player he should have been marking make use of the yawning Hutton shaped hole in our defence to create or score a goal, does not, in my book, constitute putting in a shift or showing a great attitude. OK he hasn't slagged off the club, and he came back from the bomb squad with a bit of integrity, but please let's not confuse that with any actual footballing ability or bust a gut attitude when called upon to perform.  These days he barely seems able to muster the enthusiasm to indulge in his more thuggish tendencies.   If ever a player was going through the motions, it's Hutton.  And not very effectively either.  If he was that bothered, he'd have been out on the training pitch learning and practising how to whip in a dangerous cross.  He obviously either can't be bothered to do this, or he's tried and proved incapable of doing it.  Neither outcome speaks volumes about him as a player, nor about his attitude or commitment.  Not adequate at all, not even at this level.

So this is one of the players that has played in all the games since Bruce's arrival and has helped us achieve a record of played 5, won 3 and drawn 2 to remain unbeaten, well he must be crap then!
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: old man villa fan on November 10, 2016, 12:32:47 PM
A couple of days after reading some of these comments I'm still shaking my head in disbelief that there are people who still think Hutton has a great attitude and always puts in a shift.  He quite simply hasn't and doesn't.  That fact is blindingly obvious to anyone who watches him with more than a passing interest.   Steaming up the pitch, and then floating in a useless cross straight into the keepers waiting hands or half way up the stand, and then jogging nonchalantly back to his own half as a spectator to the inevitable counter attack resulting from his inept delivery, usually arriving back in time to see the player he should have been marking make use of the yawning Hutton shaped hole in our defence to create or score a goal, does not, in my book, constitute putting in a shift or showing a great attitude.  OK he hasn't slagged off the club, and he came back from the bomb squad with a bit of integrity, but please let's not confuse that with any actual footballing ability or bust a gut attitude when called upon to perform.  These days he barely seems able to muster the enthusiasm to indulge in his more thuggish tendencies.   If ever a player was going through the motions, it's Hutton.  And not very effectively either.  If he was that bothered, he'd have been out on the training pitch learning and practising how to whip in a dangerous cross.  He obviously either can't be bothered to do this, or he's tried and proved incapable of doing it.  Neither outcome speaks volumes about him as a player, nor about his attitude or commitment.  Not adequate at all, not even at this level.

I agree and believe he is going through the motions (see my post above #909) and that is why his career has gone downhill.  Lack of motivation can usually be seen in willing to do the easy things but not the hard yards.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Mister E on November 10, 2016, 01:03:28 PM
A couple of days after reading some of these comments I'm still shaking my head in disbelief that there are people who still think Hutton has a great attitude and always puts in a shift.  He quite simply hasn't and doesn't.  That fact is blindingly obvious to anyone who watches him with more than a passing interest.   Steaming up the pitch, and then floating in a useless cross straight into the keepers waiting hands or half way up the stand, and then jogging nonchalantly back to his own half as a spectator to the inevitable counter attack resulting from his inept delivery, usually arriving back in time to see the player he should have been marking make use of the yawning Hutton shaped hole in our defence to create or score a goal, does not, in my book, constitute putting in a shift or showing a great attitude.  OK he hasn't slagged off the club, and he came back from the bomb squad with a bit of integrity, but please let's not confuse that with any actual footballing ability or bust a gut attitude when called upon to perform.  These days he barely seems able to muster the enthusiasm to indulge in his more thuggish tendencies.   If ever a player was going through the motions, it's Hutton.  And not very effectively either.  If he was that bothered, he'd have been out on the training pitch learning and practising how to whip in a dangerous cross.  He obviously either can't be bothered to do this, or he's tried and proved incapable of doing it.  Neither outcome speaks volumes about him as a player, nor about his attitude or commitment.  Not adequate at all, not even at this level.
I don't question his attitude or effort; it's simply that he's not very good at anything other than the basics. His crossing is diabolical and gets caught out of position too frequently.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Mortimer's Bear on November 10, 2016, 01:22:19 PM
For me Hutton is somewhere in the middle. He does not completely lack desire as some have suggested, nor is he Mr Aston Villa.

That aside, he has contributed to our upturn under Bruce and therefore is worthy of his place at present.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: cheltenhamlion on November 11, 2016, 05:42:19 PM
I will tell you what is a miss. De Laet has a fucking huge throw in in his locker.

You'll be telling us next that he also has the remarkable ability of throwing the ball to a player in the same coloured shirt!  :o

Don't be daft.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Matt Collins on November 11, 2016, 08:05:38 PM
He always puts in a shift

It's just that he's shocking on the ball
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: ktvillan on November 12, 2016, 09:59:30 AM
A couple of days after reading some of these comments I'm still shaking my head in disbelief that there are people who still think Hutton has a great attitude and always puts in a shift.  He quite simply hasn't and doesn't.  That fact is blindingly obvious to anyone who watches him with more than a passing interest.   Steaming up the pitch, and then floating in a useless cross straight into the keepers waiting hands or half way up the stand, and then jogging nonchalantly back to his own half as a spectator to the inevitable counter attack resulting from his inept delivery, usually arriving back in time to see the player he should have been marking make use of the yawning Hutton shaped hole in our defence to create or score a goal, does not, in my book, constitute putting in a shift or showing a great attitude.  OK he hasn't slagged off the club, and he came back from the bomb squad with a bit of integrity, but please let's not confuse that with any actual footballing ability or bust a gut attitude when called upon to perform.  These days he barely seems able to muster the enthusiasm to indulge in his more thuggish tendencies.   If ever a player was going through the motions, it's Hutton.  And not very effectively either.  If he was that bothered, he'd have been out on the training pitch learning and practising how to whip in a dangerous cross.  He obviously either can't be bothered to do this, or he's tried and proved incapable of doing it.  Neither outcome speaks volumes about him as a player, nor about his attitude or commitment.  Not adequate at all, not even at this level.

I can't be arsed to go back over sixty-odd pages but, I can almost guarantee that no one has said that Alan Hutton is any kind of a good footballer, so no one is confused.

Plenty of people are saying he's adequate for this level.  Doesn't that indicate they think he has some football ability ?  And your selective quote missed off the bit about his bust a gut attitude.  Plenty of people look to be confused about that from what I've seen.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Clampy on November 12, 2016, 10:24:10 AM
I'm not a big fan of Hutton at all, he's personally one of the poorest right backs of I've seen down there. Although, apart from his balls up at Blues which nearly cost us a goal, I think he's been decent since Bruce has been here.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: WarszaVillan on November 12, 2016, 11:11:52 AM
We really have had a lot of shit right-backs over the years, in fact after Mark Delaney (who was nothing that special) there's noone that has been even better than average. Maybe I've forgotten someone?
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: old man villa fan on November 12, 2016, 12:47:44 PM
I'm not a big fan of Hutton at all, he's personally one of the poorest right backs of I've seen down there. Although, apart from his balls up at Blues which nearly cost us a goal, I think he's been decent since Bruce has been here.

His defensive limitations do not get exposed in the Championship. That's why I would prefer to go with a better attacking fullback that can be constructive when we go forward.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: brontebilly on November 12, 2016, 02:16:39 PM
We really have had a lot of shit right-backs over the years, in fact after Mark Delaney (who was nothing that special) there's noone that has been even better than average. Maybe I've forgotten someone?

Kyle Walker was very good in his loan spell with us. Gary Charles up to his injury I guess

Luke Young was excellent when he first came at right back, MON messed him around a bit shuffling him to LB after he lost faith in Shorey.

Watson, Nelson, Barrett, Cuellar, Hughes, De La Cruz, Richards, Bacuna, Hutton - how many more on our hall of shame?
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: tom jennings III on November 13, 2016, 09:11:30 AM
How dare you! I used to love Earl Barrett. Delaney's main talent was last-ditch tackles in the box that didn't result in penalties and for that I will be forever grateful.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Risso on November 13, 2016, 09:16:13 AM
We really have had a lot of shit right-backs over the years, in fact after Mark Delaney (who was nothing that special) there's noone that has been even better than average. Maybe I've forgotten someone?

Kyle Walker was very good in his loan spell with us. Gary Charles up to his injury I guess

Luke Young was excellent when he first came at right back, MON messed him around a bit shuffling him to LB after he lost faith in Shorey.

Watson, Nelson, Barrett, Cuellar, Hughes, De La Cruz, Richards, Bacuna, Hutton - how many more on our hall of shame?

What on earth is Barrett doing there? And you forgot Lowton.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: LeeB on November 13, 2016, 09:17:53 AM
We really have had a lot of shit right-backs over the years, in fact after Mark Delaney (who was nothing that special) there's noone that has been even better than average. Maybe I've forgotten someone?

Kyle Walker was very good in his loan spell with us. Gary Charles up to his injury I guess

Luke Young was excellent when he first came at right back, MON messed him around a bit shuffling him to LB after he lost faith in Shorey.

Watson, Nelson, Barrett, Cuellar, Hughes, De La Cruz, Richards, Bacuna, Hutton - how many more on our hall of shame?

What on earth is Barrett doing there? And you forgot Lowton.

Darius Kubicki.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: aj2k77 on November 13, 2016, 10:26:21 AM
Some decent right backs on that list. Barrett the best of them but Watson and Nelson were parts of good Villa teams that never stood out as bad players. Hughes wasn't too bad. Cuellar got the MON treatment. Richards Hutton and Bacuna comfortably the worst right backs on that list for me.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: markeeeebeeee2005 on November 13, 2016, 10:59:31 AM
Micah is the worst for me, for a list of reasons so long I haven't got the thumb energy for.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: CT Villan on November 13, 2016, 04:53:20 PM
And you forgot Lowton.

...and Reo-Coker
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Risso on November 13, 2016, 05:14:04 PM
And Emile Heskey.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: tomd2103 on November 13, 2016, 10:07:32 PM
We really have had a lot of shit right-backs over the years, in fact after Mark Delaney (who was nothing that special) there's noone that has been even better than average. Maybe I've forgotten someone?

Kyle Walker was very good in his loan spell with us. Gary Charles up to his injury I guess

Luke Young was excellent when he first came at right back, MON messed him around a bit shuffling him to LB after he lost faith in Shorey.

Watson, Nelson, Barrett, Cuellar, Hughes, De La Cruz, Richards, Bacuna, Hutton - how many more on our hall of shame?

What on earth is Barrett doing there? And you forgot Lowton.

No way Earl Barrett should be in a hall of shame, even though his best position was probably centre half.  For years, Ryan Giggs used to say in interviews that Barrett was his toughest opponent. 
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: brontebilly on November 13, 2016, 10:44:44 PM
Some decent right backs on that list. Barrett the best of them but Watson and Nelson were parts of good Villa teams that never stood out as bad players. Hughes wasn't too bad. Cuellar got the MON treatment. Richards Hutton and Bacuna comfortably the worst right backs on that list for me.

Surely Barrett wasn't all that at right back?

Wouldn't agree re Watson, Nelson, Hughes or Cuellar. Lowton was another special case and not in a good way. Mellberg was okish at right back, Phil Barnsley another one to steal a living with us and other teams.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Matt Collins on November 14, 2016, 06:42:05 AM
Earl Barrett?!?

The man Paul McGrath said was his player of the season the year we finished second?

Easy your mouth out!
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on November 14, 2016, 03:54:39 PM
Another vote for Barrett here, he was ace, Giggs never got a kick that one year against him
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: eamonn on November 14, 2016, 05:06:25 PM
Some decent right backs on that list. Barrett the best of them but Watson and Nelson were parts of good Villa teams that never stood out as bad players. Hughes wasn't too bad. Cuellar got the MON treatment. Richards Hutton and Bacuna comfortably the worst right backs on that list for me.

Surely Barrett wasn't all that at right back?

Wouldn't agree re Watson, Nelson, Hughes or Cuellar. Lowton was another special case and not in a good way. Mellberg was okish at right back, Phil Barnsley another one to steal a living with us and other teams.

Bardsley - in fairness he's still getting a regular game for a safe PL team.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 14, 2016, 10:42:11 PM
Some decent right backs on that list. Barrett the best of them but Watson and Nelson were parts of good Villa teams that never stood out as bad players. Hughes wasn't too bad. Cuellar got the MON treatment. Richards Hutton and Bacuna comfortably the worst right backs on that list for me.

Bacuna has had some very good games for us as RB imo. I wouldn't have him near the bottom tbh given he's been decent this season aswell.

Richards hasn't actually played that many for us at RB, more his useless performances as a CB that put him in the least favourite players category.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: footyskillz on November 21, 2016, 09:41:53 PM
Particularly annoyed with Hutton crossing against Brighton. Wasted several opportunities. Kyle walker is a shining example of player improvement wish villa had paid up for him at the time. Despite sporadic efforts and so called displays if of passion often feel Hutton is a player going through the motions.  I like a wing back situation with adomah or bacuna particularly as hutton no idea in putting balls in area. He was once a marauding right back I feel now those days are past
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Jon Crofts on January 02, 2017, 07:01:06 PM
That was hopefully the last we ever see of Hutton. Can't fault his commitment, many players wouldn't have put up with the way Lambert treated him but times up Alan, you're just not very good, not very good at all. A right back must be a priority along with a whole new midfield.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: old man villa fan on January 02, 2017, 07:03:32 PM
For a player that has so much space and so much possession, why can't he create anything.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 02, 2017, 07:08:29 PM
Just awful.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 02, 2017, 07:26:29 PM
Please get him out of the team.

Even if it means Bacuna at RB.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: tomd2103 on January 02, 2017, 07:55:24 PM
Just awful.

Completely bombed out after a terrible first season, yet has somehow managed to keep finding his way back into the team until he being bombed out again after being awful.  It's a bewildering cycle.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 02, 2017, 08:40:01 PM
I'm shocked he has made a career out football given how it always appears it's his first game of his life, or like Neil Cox vs John Barnes. With the exception that he doesn't play against John Barnes every week and looks shitter than Neil Cox.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: john e on January 02, 2017, 08:49:10 PM
he's probably as good if not better than most defenders in this league,
I know that's not saying much but our problems do not rest on his shoulders it's the non existent midfield and a inconsistent front line
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: paul_e on January 02, 2017, 08:54:09 PM
he's probably as good if not better than most defenders in this league,
I know that's not saying much but our problems do not rest on his shoulders it's the non existent midfield and a inconsistent front line

Sorry John but that's just not true, he's terrible, he wastes a huge amount of possession and gets caught out of position regularly, he's as bad as anyone else in the team and is a big parrt of the reason for the 'inconsistent front line' because he can't cross.  I admire his determination to keep getting forward despite how often he fucks it up but I'm at the point with him where I'd prefer him to just stay back and make sure he's not leaving space in behind.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: old man villa fan on January 02, 2017, 08:54:21 PM
he's probably as good if not better than most defenders in this league,
I know that's not saying much but our problems do not rest on his shoulders it's the non existent midfield and a inconsistent front line

How much possession does he waste though.  Especially when you consider that a lot of our play going forward is funnelled through him.

His concentration when the ball comes into our penalty area (especially from the left side) seems way off what is required and that is why I think he is beaten to the ball so many times.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Exeter 77 on January 02, 2017, 08:54:58 PM
I think one of the issues with Hutton is he is our main 'out' ball and finds himself in attacking positions he doesn't have the ability to make the most out of.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: wittonwarrior on January 02, 2017, 08:59:14 PM
As a "break up" defender he is average - moving onto when he is in possession possibly good enough to play for the Rose and Crowns and Red  Lions - how he ever got capped is beyond me.

This is the flaw in Ron Saunders 110% - you do need some level of skill in combination.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Lastfootstamper on January 02, 2017, 09:03:48 PM
He probably gets to be our main "out" ball because the opposition feel free to let him have it as they know he'll do nothing of any threat with it, and will give it them back any second.

For an International fullback who's moved twice for sizeable fees, it beggars belief just how staggeringly shit he is at crossing.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Jon Crofts on January 02, 2017, 09:26:38 PM
Probably unfair but here's Alan Huttons stats from last season.

Goals - 0
Assists - 1
Own Goals - 2
Wins - 0
Red cards - 1
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: tomd2103 on January 02, 2017, 09:56:33 PM
he's probably as good if not better than most defenders in this league,
I know that's not saying much but our problems do not rest on his shoulders it's the non existent midfield and a inconsistent front line

How much possession does he waste though.  Especially when you consider that a lot of our play going forward is funnelled through him.

His concentration when the ball comes into our penalty area (especially from the left side) seems way off what is required and that is why I think he is beaten to the ball so many times.

He wastes a lot.  Nearly all of his crosses don't clear the first man and that ones that do tend to either go out for a goal kick or a throw in on the opposite side of the pitch.  Some of the passes he gives to Adomah are terrible as well and regularly put him in trouble.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: paul_e on January 02, 2017, 09:56:48 PM
There could easily be at least 1 more red card there as well, I remember him getting away with a few.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: john2710 on January 02, 2017, 11:01:20 PM
If De Laet hadn't picked up hits injury Hutton wouldn't be anywhere near the first 11. Even RDM was able to spot, after a couple of games, that he wasn't good enough.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Steve67 on January 02, 2017, 11:03:29 PM
Is Hutton's contract up in the summer? Hopefully, De Laet is good and ready for us next season.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 02, 2017, 11:06:53 PM
1. Right now Hutton is the only Villa player that will bring the ball forward. If he's so shite what are the other twats in the team scared of?

2. The world now realises Hutton couldn't cross the road so he roars forward then plays the ball back to the midfielder to put the ball into the box. Why don't they ever do it?

3. Is Hutton the new Gabby? There are plenty of players I dislike more than Hutton even though I acknowledge he's bloody limited.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: OCD on January 02, 2017, 11:12:07 PM
It's amazing to think someone once paid £9m for him - back when the transfer fees weren't as ridiculous as they are these days. He sums up the sort of players we've had to persevere with over the last few years.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Jimbo on January 03, 2017, 08:11:23 AM
Hutton is just crap. He doesn't pick and choose which bits of the game he'd like to participate in, like some. He gets stuck in, he's just not very good, and I can't dislike him for that.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: chrisw1 on January 03, 2017, 08:45:24 AM
Hutton is just crap. He doesn't pick and choose which bits of the game he'd like to participate in, like some. He gets stuck in, he's just not very good, and I can't dislike him for that.

It's all relative.  He's been less crap than a lot of his team mates over the last 3 years whilst at the same time being one of the hardest working players we have.  He may be limited, but at this level he is ok.  I just can't understand why he gets all the stick when we've had so may other under performers to chose from.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Hoppo on January 03, 2017, 08:50:33 AM
Can I just say I like Alan Hutton.. I've met him umpteen times up Solihull.. a nice geezer.
He tries hard too.. but you know what he treats the ball like it's a fuckin land mine.. his crossing ability is like that monkey with the uzi..
So no he isn't good enough.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: aev on January 03, 2017, 08:55:30 AM
My son was a mascot last year and as we were driving up we were joking about which player he would get paired with.

Naturally, aev Jnr got paired with Hutton. We got tonked by Everton and it was a miserable evening, but the one thing that cheered me up was that Hutton was by all accounts very chatty and friendly.

So thumbs up for being a nice bloke (unless you are his Dad), thumbs down for being pretty chod at football. He does try hard though.

Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Ad@m on January 03, 2017, 12:23:25 PM
The absence of a world class right back is absolutely not the reason we're mid-table in Division 2.  After 5 or so seasons where we've suffered with a group of players which we're neither good enough, nor gave a shit about that fact, at least Hutton has the right attitude, despite Lambert giving him plenty of reason not to.

Oh, and in the all too brief view of De Laet I saw, he didn't look much better.  And he's a Premier League winning right back.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on January 03, 2017, 12:50:49 PM
The absence of a world class right back is absolutely not the reason we're mid-table in Division 2

It's not helping though is it ? I can rarely remember a right back getting as much of the ball as Hutton. And then doing the square root of fuck all, well apart from losing it with it.

He's a terrible terrible footballer. And all the effort and being a nice bloke off the pitch is going to change that.

Needs replacing, and quickly.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: old man villa fan on January 03, 2017, 12:52:26 PM
The absence of a world class right back is absolutely not the reason we're mid-table in Division 2.  After 5 or so seasons where we've suffered with a group of players which we're neither good enough, nor gave a shit about that fact, at least Hutton has the right attitude, despite Lambert giving him plenty of reason not to.

Oh, and in the all too brief view of De Laet I saw, he didn't look much better.  And he's a Premier League winning right back.

We do not need a world class fullback. We need one that can do the job. He appears to put effort in but, as I have said before, his effort is put in on the easy bits, not the difficult.

We are coming up week after week with fullbacks that can get down the line and get dangerous crosses in. Surely it's not a lot to ask for the same.

Regarding your view on De Laet, that was a quick assessment.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 03, 2017, 01:33:07 PM
Leicester fans said De Laet is a great signing , we dont need world class , trippier class would do.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 03, 2017, 03:06:11 PM
When the only compliment people have of Hutton is that he works hard it is the very definition of putting lipstick on a pig. Hutton is a pig of a footballer

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Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: eamonn on January 03, 2017, 04:12:19 PM
Can I just say I like Alan Hutton.. I've met him umpteen times up Solihull.. a nice geezer.

What does he have to say for himself?
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: richtheholtender on January 03, 2017, 04:16:57 PM
Seen him up Solihull a few times. He loves a Millies cookie or two which may explain why he slowed down a bit.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: LeeB on January 03, 2017, 04:33:46 PM
When the only compliment people have of Hutton is that he works hard it is the very definition of putting lipstick on a pig. Hutton is a pig of a footballer

🐷

He tries though, and he's saved our bacon a few times. Often displays pork-ontrol though.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Jon Crofts on January 03, 2017, 04:34:36 PM
He sounds just like the sort of person every office/company has, nice bloke but just not very good at his job, we all know one or several!
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Ad@m on January 03, 2017, 04:46:35 PM
This clearly comes down to perspective but I'd rather pay to watch a team containing Alan Hutton than Micah Richards.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: paul_e on January 03, 2017, 04:56:31 PM
This clearly comes down to perspective but I'd rather pay to watch a team containing Alan Hutton than Micah Richards.

That's like saying you'd rather lose a toe than a finger, neither of them should be anywhere near the first team.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Chris Smith on January 03, 2017, 05:00:16 PM
This clearly comes down to perspective but I'd rather pay to watch a team containing Alan Hutton than Micah Richards.

That's like saying you'd rather lose a toe than a finger, neither of them should be anywhere near the first team.

We signed a replacement so that one is just unfortunate rather than incompetent.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Ad@m on January 03, 2017, 05:07:31 PM
This clearly comes down to perspective but I'd rather pay to watch a team containing Alan Hutton than Micah Richards.

That's like saying you'd rather lose a toe than a finger, neither of them should be anywhere near the first team.

But they are and at the moment I'd rather Bruce concentrates on sorting out our horrendous midfield which might actually contribute towards an improvement in our form rather than worrying about a right back who with all the will in the world won't really change much and will actually, in theory, become surplus to requirements once De Laet is back.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: paul_e on January 03, 2017, 05:14:04 PM
This clearly comes down to perspective but I'd rather pay to watch a team containing Alan Hutton than Micah Richards.

That's like saying you'd rather lose a toe than a finger, neither of them should be anywhere near the first team.

But they are and at the moment I'd rather Bruce concentrates on sorting out our horrendous midfield which might actually contribute towards an improvement in our form rather than worrying about a right back who with all the will in the world won't really change much and will actually, in theory, become surplus to requirements once De Laet is back.

but it does change things, Hutton wastes fuck loads of possession and there are 1-2 chances for the opposition every game because of his mistakes.  Yes he's surplus to requirements when de laet is back but that's not going to help us this season.  If teams actually have to worry about us getting crosses in from the right and can't just shepherd him down the line until he gives it away it might give us a bit more space elsewhere.  Yes we need to deal with midfield, literally no one is disagreeing with that but if we want to give ourselves the best chance possible of getting back up this year we need to replace Hutton in this window.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: aj2k77 on January 03, 2017, 05:47:30 PM
Hutton is shit, a pass to him should count as a pass to the opposition as that's the next destination for the ball anyway. Get him gone in the summer.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: VinnieChase84 on January 03, 2017, 07:32:37 PM
One gripe o have is the commentators when they discuss Hutton during our games. Recently I've heard how he's done wellto getback in favour under Bruce......
He's only back 'in favour' as our first choice RB is out for the season. A stat the commentators fail to recognise
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on January 03, 2017, 07:40:23 PM

Richards or Hutton ... sometimes it takes a post like that to help the post Christmas depression really kick in
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 03, 2017, 07:49:54 PM
Fuck me, like asking which feels better? A kick in the nuts or thumb up your arse?
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Dave Cooper please on January 03, 2017, 11:56:48 PM
Fuck me, like asking which feels better? A kick in the nuts or thumb up your arse?

Errr.....
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 04, 2017, 12:27:28 AM
Fuck me, like asking which feels better? A kick in the nuts or thumb up your arse?

Errr.....

Agreed Dave. PM for details.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: pbavfckuwait on January 04, 2017, 05:30:35 AM
I know Hutton is very limited, especially in his ability to cross a football, but I can't hate the man as at least (I know 45k a week minimum requirement) he tries, there are still and have been alot of blood suckers here at Villa Park (CNZ, Ireland etc) who have not even offered that.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Matt Collins on January 08, 2017, 01:01:19 PM
I don't hate him

He's just shit
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: frank black on January 08, 2017, 01:35:11 PM
I enjoy watching him, there is a perverse pleasure seeing him receiving the ball in loads of space on the wing. Space afforded to him by the opposition as their manager has said "don't worry about Hutton". I am just hoping that one day his marauding pays off.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Lastfootstamper on January 08, 2017, 05:08:07 PM
STOP BEING SHIT.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: eddiemunster on January 08, 2017, 06:35:04 PM
STOP BEING SHIT AND STOP WEARING A VILLA SHIRT FFS!!!
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: wittonwarrior on January 08, 2017, 06:40:40 PM
Not enough just to give 110% you need some ability to play league football enough said
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 08, 2017, 06:42:06 PM
Awful player
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 08, 2017, 06:43:57 PM
Adomah spent most of the game bailing him out.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: godzvilla on January 08, 2017, 11:04:45 PM
Then there's this ( from the Mirror) and  having checked 3 seperate 'Player Ratings' for todays game , Hutton came out reasonably  well , which tallies with what I saw , admittedly , on TV, but  hey!.... I guess we always need to find whipping boy ......................Godzvilla!
Johnstone 7
Impressive start for the on-loan keeper, confident and commanded his box.
Hutton 6
Got forward on occasion, solid defensively and had a decent game.

Chester 7
Good clearance from Son’s cross shot. Had a steady, defiant game.
Baker 6
Had a good ding-dong battle with Janssen, did well for Villa.
Amavi 6
The busier of the two full backs as Son’s pace often stretched him.
Adomah 6
Clumsy, careless in possession and ran out of gas. Frustrating.
Tshibola 6
Strong and physical in midfield, gets stuck in. Determined display.
Jedanik 6
Disciplined midfield display, just sat resolutely in front of the defence.
Grealish 7
Everything went through him in Villa’s midfield. Lively and good set pieces.
Bacuna 6
Tried to push on from the left flank, had limited openings.
Agbonlahor 6
Thrown a lifeline by Steve Bruce, worked hard, went close but denied.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on January 09, 2017, 03:53:17 PM
He's an ok defender but he should never be allowed to cross the halfway line, absolutely bollocks at going forward
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on January 09, 2017, 04:01:36 PM
He's an ok defender but he should never be allowed to cross the halfway line, absolutely bollocks at going forward

He is pretty good going forwards until he put in the cross. He gets into good attacking positions quite a lot, then frustrates with the final ball. At least he makes the chance to get the ball in, if he could make the final ball he would be one of our better players. Pity, as he puts a shift in and can defend (which is more than you can say about Amavi who also does little with the final ball).
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: paul_e on January 09, 2017, 04:24:06 PM
He really can't defend.  He had a good first half yesterday because he didn't have anyone to mark.  2nd half they pushed Sissoko (and later nkoudou) onto him and they ripped him to pieces.  He can defend if all it means to chasing back and getting a last ditch tackle in, he has absolutely no ability to mark a player who knows how to run and his concentration levels are abysmal.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: wittonwarrior on January 09, 2017, 05:33:34 PM
Possibly one of our 5 worst players ever to wear a Villa shirt
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Ad@m on January 09, 2017, 05:47:44 PM
Possibly one of our 5 worst players ever to wear a Villa shirt

Behave!  I doubt he'd be one of the worst 5 players of the Lerner era.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: chrisw1 on January 09, 2017, 05:56:38 PM
Possibly one of our 5 worst players ever to wear a Villa shirt

Behave!  I doubt he'd be one of the worst 5 players of the Lerner era.
Arguably he's not one the worst 5 players in our current squad.  (Elphick, Cissoko, Westwood, Gardner, Richards, Agbonlahor, Kozak, Bunn and arguably on current form McCormack!)
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: JJ-AV on January 09, 2017, 06:07:47 PM
He doesn't cost us, so he's better than some fo the crap we've got. But he's so 4/10 it's beyond belief.

He used to be really, really good at Rangers, Spurs for a little bit and then Sunderland. He doesn't seem to suffer from a lack of application or effort, managers like his attitude. How the f*ck did he become so shit?
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 09, 2017, 06:13:21 PM
He doesn't cost us, so he's better than some fo the crap we've got. But he's so 4/10 it's beyond belief.

He used to be really, really good at Rangers, Spurs for a little bit and then Sunderland. He doesn't seem to suffer from a lack of application or effort, managers like his attitude. How the f*ck did he become so shit?


I remember him tearing down the wing for Rangers looking really good , hence spurs spent £8 - 9 million on him but he seems too go down blind alleys now ??
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: brontebilly on January 09, 2017, 07:05:24 PM
He doesn't cost us, so he's better than some fo the crap we've got. But he's so 4/10 it's beyond belief.

He used to be really, really good at Rangers, Spurs for a little bit and then Sunderland. He doesn't seem to suffer from a lack of application or effort, managers like his attitude. How the f*ck did he become so shit?

He was crap at Spurs in the main though, did ok for Redknapp for a well ironically going forward. He made his name at Rangers under McLeish as an attacking full back, another irony perhaps. Was it Bruce that had him on loan at Sunderland?

To be fair, he started this season as fourth choice right back and now seems on course for another year's contract.


I remember him tearing down the wing for Rangers looking really good , hence spurs spent £8 - 9 million on him but he seems too go down blind alleys now ??
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: markeeeebeeee2005 on January 09, 2017, 07:14:34 PM
You might as well play a Jack Russell at right back - similar levels of effort, similar football brain and positioning but they look so much cuter.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: SashasGrandad on January 13, 2017, 08:52:04 PM
Fuck me, like asking which feels better? A kick in the nuts or thumb up your arse?

Have this horrible picture in my mind trying to work out which is which.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Rigadon on January 14, 2017, 09:13:42 AM
What happened to Micah Richards too?  Was once the future England captain, now nowhere near the first team and being kept out by Alan Hutton.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: frank black on January 14, 2017, 09:17:19 AM
What happened to Micah Richards too?  Was once the future England captain, now nowhere near the first team and being kept out by Alan Hutton.

Injured
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: footyskillz on January 14, 2017, 09:36:22 AM
A problem Hutton has is his delivery in to the box . He has far too often been an out ball and the player to deliver a final ball and has failed.  We understand that hes a full back and defending is his primary concern but I can't be alone being completely and utterly at annoyance to his constant inability to play a cross into box
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Rigadon on January 14, 2017, 02:43:50 PM
What happened to Micah Richards too?  Was once the future England captain, now nowhere near the first team and being kept out by Alan Hutton.

Injured

That I didn't know or care says much
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: footyskillz on January 14, 2017, 03:11:28 PM
Fuck me, like asking which feels better? A kick in the nuts or thumb up your arse?

Have this horrible picture in my mind trying to work out which is which.

The male g spot is in  bum hole . So getting kicked in the nuts isn't pleasurable
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on January 14, 2017, 03:23:59 PM
So getting kicked in the nuts isn't pleasurable

But i'm sure we'd all take one rather than seeing Hutton or Richards at right back ever again
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Nastylee on January 14, 2017, 04:49:50 PM
I don't think Hutton is as bad as some make out. I also think a decent midfield would aid our players measurably as too much attacking emphasis is placed upon our full backs and the occasional bolt out of the blue magical moments.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on January 15, 2017, 01:14:26 PM


I genuinely don't think I can stomach watching another match with this bloke playing. He is APPALLING on every single level. And yet some still claim he's decent, i'm flabbergasted that he's managed to have a career this long with such poor skills.

There's a good reason the bloke always seems to have the freedom of the right side of the pitch, every team we play against know full well he can run up and down all day and not create them a single problem.

Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Old Kodjia on January 15, 2017, 01:50:44 PM
I think that we have far more important issues to address than Alan Hutton.

It doesn't matter how good (or bad) his crosses are, if we are not prepared to commit bodies into the box.

Defensively, his positioning is not the best but at the level we're playing at, we are hardly likely to sign someone who is inch perfect throughout 90 minutes.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: wittonwarrior on January 15, 2017, 01:57:36 PM


I genuinely don't think I can stomach watching another match with this bloke playing. He is APPALLING on every single level. And yet some still claim he's decent, i'm flabbergasted that he's managed to have a career this long with such poor skills.

There's a good reason the bloke always seems to have the freedom of the right side of the pitch, every team we play against know full well he can run up and down all day and not create them a single problem.

Probably our man of the match yesterday.  Okay  not saying much and I am no Alan Hutton fan.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Leicester_Villian on January 15, 2017, 02:06:05 PM
I wish all our players gave the same effort as Hutton does ......... maybe if this was the case we wouldn't be where we are now

Stop knocking the bloke he won't claim to be the best but he is not the worst
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on January 15, 2017, 02:26:44 PM
I wish all our players gave the same effort as Hutton does ......... maybe if this was the case we wouldn't be where we are now

So you're praising him for trying to do his job ?

Wow.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Old Kodjia on January 15, 2017, 02:30:13 PM
I wish all our players gave the same effort as Hutton does ......... maybe if this was the case we wouldn't be where we are now

So you're praising him for trying to do his job ?

Wow.

I think the post was more designed to highlight the commitment of others in the side, rather than to praise Hutton for doing his job.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: markeeeebeeee2005 on January 15, 2017, 02:40:40 PM
I didn't watch the game yesterday.

However I've watched a fair few games this season. He looks like he is very good at getting into space as teams have a tactic to let him have the ball, fully confident he will do nothing with it. Also if he has the ball they know he will leg it like an absolute mentalist straight down the wing leaving a massive hole in our back four. He then dawdles when coming back (so I don't get this hard work thing). The opposition then have a great opportunity to attack the gaping hole he has left.

He'll huff and puff, which is great if you like that kind of thing, but I'd take someone with a bit of intelligence over that.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: brian green on January 15, 2017, 02:59:38 PM
Even I can work out what Hutton must do.  He must either side foot the ball across the turf to an inrushing player (I know, I know) or put it out for an  opposition throw right by the corner flag.  Get back in position and let a midfielder (I know, I know) win the ball from the throw.  The alternative is an instant counter attack into the space vacated by the Flying Scotsman.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: BOB MANSFIELD on January 15, 2017, 03:11:22 PM
You're right Brian...and he was ever thus. And will never improve or change, unless he is enforced by a ring-fence of better MIDFIELDERS he can pass it on to.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: brian green on January 15, 2017, 03:29:54 PM
He has got Alan Wright's disease only worse.  He shovels the ball across with too much elevation and back spin.  The best crossers we have had, like Daveed and Merse chop the ball with their instep.  It fizzes in hard and low with topspin.  That cross headed gains velocity and is easier to head low and hard.  High with backspin is a doddle to clear by a centre back.  You can see AH do it.  He scoops the ball in the air so all his hard work getting there is lost.  You need Codger or Ayew or Jack supporting him pointing at their feet.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: BOB MANSFIELD on January 15, 2017, 03:36:34 PM
What ? More Mr Pointy's ?? Oh no.
But you're assessment of spin and lift is right. A loopy Westwood-like or a fizzed-in proper cross. I know which I prefer and then you only need a Centre Forward a la With on the end of it.........oh, we don't have one, do we ? Kodjia can't head to save his life. He seems more than a bit " soft ".  Not a hard hitter of a traditional CF, and not a 7foot 6 Crouchy either, who, when it is hit...... it stays hit.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: brian green on January 15, 2017, 03:49:39 PM
I don't mean pointy pointy I mean two flat hands towards the ground meaning put the ball at my feet.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: LeeB on January 15, 2017, 03:55:39 PM
He has got Alan Wright's disease only worse.  He shovels the ball across with too much elevation and back spin.  The best crossers we have had, like Daveed and Merse chop the ball with their instep.  It fizzes in hard and low with topspin.  That cross headed gains velocity and is easier to head low and hard.  High with backspin is a doddle to clear by a centre back.  You can see AH do it.  He scoops the ball in the air so all his hard work getting there is lost.  You need Codger or Ayew or Jack supporting him pointing at their feet.

You are correct regarding crossing technique, and it's becoming something of a lost art in the game.

I remember Dean Saunders being a find crosser of the ball, the only problem of course was that he wasn't then in the area to head the ball in.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 15, 2017, 04:00:36 PM
Amavi cross yesterday was text book technique,
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: brian green on January 15, 2017, 04:11:03 PM
Deano was a great crosser of the ball.  As was Wally Walters.  You could watch Wal and like the shark in Jaws he would roll his eyeballs and you would know where the ball was going.  True.  We would watch.  He would look up and we would shout "far post" or "near post" and that's where it went.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on January 15, 2017, 04:28:12 PM
Amavi cross yesterday was text book technique,

Unfortunately the only decent thing he did all game.

Back on topic, can anyone remember a Hutton assist from recent memory? i have a vague memory of one last season but can't remember against who.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: BOB MANSFIELD on January 15, 2017, 06:40:37 PM
He's credited with a goal 3 years ago-ish ! I must have missed it (but he didn't)
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Meanwood Villa on January 15, 2017, 06:44:06 PM
He's shit
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 15, 2017, 06:45:08 PM
Amavi cross yesterday was text book technique,

Unfortunately the only decent thing he did all game.

Back on topic, can anyone remember a Hutton assist from recent memory? i have a vague memory of one last season but can't remember against who.
yep and the only chance created by a Villa player.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 15, 2017, 06:46:28 PM
He's credited with a goal 3 years ago-ish ! I must have missed it (but he didn't)

Just over 2 years ago, winner against Leicester iirc.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 15, 2017, 07:32:16 PM
In the premier league I always thought the opposition gave him licence to run down the right hand side as they knew he'd never create anything so could put an extra player in the box or in midfield ready for the counter attack.

I did actually think he'd be better in this division but he's still so poor. Him, Westwood and Gabby...it's ridiculous all three are still at this club and 2/3 are still regular starters.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: BOB MANSFIELD on January 15, 2017, 08:14:54 PM
Really, these continual poor performances seem to underline the complete lack of repetitive skills training/coaching that apparently takes for granted, the fact that every player can already do what their role asks of them. they clearly can't - and yet they seem not to be staying back to work on their " weaknesses ". Indicates they are not pointed out to them ?
Hutton - you can't cross. Stay back and do 2 hours a day extra crossing practice.
Jedinak - you can't pass. Stay back and do 2 hours a day extra passing practice.

They're getting bloody paid enough ! They are NOT the finished article...none of them ! IMHO.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: paul_e on January 15, 2017, 09:16:16 PM
The whole team need to work on passing.  I'd make it a rule that they train every day we're not playing and an hour of every session would be alternating between no running, no tackling, 2-touch games on very small pitches and fartlek style interval training where they jog and sprint between fitness stations.  The idea is that you tire the fuckers out with the interval training so they're having to control their heart rate to get the concentration back for the passing, then you add some hefty 'punishment' for misplaced passes.  It's just a flip on the rugby training I used to run for the colts team but it does wonders for basic skills.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: old man villa fan on January 15, 2017, 09:20:47 PM
The whole team need to work on passing.  I'd make it a rule that they train every day we're not playing and an hour of every session would be alternating between no running, no tackling, 2-touch games on very small pitches and fartlek style interval training where they jog and sprint between fitness stations.  The idea is that you tire the fuckers out with the interval training so they're having to control their heart rate to get the concentration back for the passing, then you add some hefty 'punishment' for misplaced passes.  It's just a flip on the rugby training I used to run for the colts team but it does wonders for basic skills.

It would help if we were not so spread out across and up the pitch so that players are not trying to always make 40m passes that get cut out easily.  Saying that, the short passing is not exactly brilliant.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: paul_e on January 15, 2017, 09:28:47 PM
The whole team need to work on passing.  I'd make it a rule that they train every day we're not playing and an hour of every session would be alternating between no running, no tackling, 2-touch games on very small pitches and fartlek style interval training where they jog and sprint between fitness stations.  The idea is that you tire the fuckers out with the interval training so they're having to control their heart rate to get the concentration back for the passing, then you add some hefty 'punishment' for misplaced passes.  It's just a flip on the rugby training I used to run for the colts team but it does wonders for basic skills.

It would help if we were not so spread out across and up the pitch so that players are not trying to always make 40m passes that get cut out easily.  Saying that, the short passing is not exactly brilliant.

I agree, but baby steps, get them all confident that they can pass and receive the ball in tight spaces whilst the acids are up in their legs and they're dying for a drink, then you move onto passing in triangles and moving as a unit once those basics are properly embedded.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 23, 2017, 06:29:01 PM
I can't believe anyone is saying our RB was out of position when Preston broke for their first.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2tr-QLXEAApMzp.jpg:large
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: frank black on January 23, 2017, 06:32:07 PM
I know he left me with egg on my face as I was just telling the folks next to me how I would give him MOTM, only to witness that display of positional muppetry.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 23, 2017, 06:32:42 PM
I can't believe anyone is saying our RB was out of position when Preston broke for their first.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2tr-QLXEAApMzp.jpg:large



that is funny ,it shouldn't  be but is
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Old Kodjia on January 23, 2017, 06:40:54 PM
I can't believe anyone is saying our RB was out of position when Preston broke for their first.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2tr-QLXEAApMzp.jpg:large

Have a look at the second goal.  He's stood marking nobody when the corner is taken.  They have runners from outside the box who come in without being picked up.  It looks to me like Baker & Chester both have men but nobody goes with the runners.  Hutton looks to me like he's ball watching.  Not entirely his fault because somebody should have picked them up but he should have been alert.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: BOB MANSFIELD on January 23, 2017, 08:47:29 PM
Mentally tired and switched off, I guess.
How do you train/coach that out of them?
Oh yes......don't start with these players, innit?
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: old man villa fan on January 23, 2017, 10:37:35 PM
...... but he puts a shift in!

Flatters to deceive.  Always has done, always will.

Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: olaftab on January 23, 2017, 10:44:47 PM
Ah well Alan off you go fella may be back to Scottish second division.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 23, 2017, 10:48:56 PM
He's never played in the Scottish Second Division.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: olaftab on January 23, 2017, 10:49:21 PM
And oh yes the best thing you did was that classic tackle taking out Long.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: adrenachrome on January 23, 2017, 10:50:09 PM
He's never played in the Scottish Second Division.

Correct talk.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: olaftab on January 23, 2017, 10:50:29 PM
He's never played in the Scottish Second Division.
He should. He'll be good there.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Jon Crofts on January 23, 2017, 10:59:17 PM
He's never played in the Scottish Second Division.
He should. He'll be rubbish there too.

Fixed.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 24, 2017, 12:39:49 AM
I wish all our players gave the same effort as Hutton does ......... maybe if this was the case we wouldn't be where we are now

Stop knocking the bloke he won't claim to be the best but he is not the worst

He's utterly garbage. For a player who has played at a high level for a long time it is amazing how poor his positional sense, control, timing and distribution is. He's been hugely fortunate to have found a club so inept at that position to have allowed him to play for this length of time.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: UK Redsox on March 03, 2017, 10:14:37 AM
Looks like a contract extension for McCafu

B Mail (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-alan-hutton-new-12685562)
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: UK Redsox on March 03, 2017, 10:17:43 AM
Quote
Aston Villa have held contract extension talks with Alan Hutton as they continue to plan for next season.

The 32-year-old’s current deal expires in the summer but negotiations are underway to prolong his stay after Hutton met a clause which entitles him to another year at the club.

Hutton has made 26 appearances this season and is currently keeping out teenage right-back James Bree who was signed from Barnsley in January.

His recent form has been impressive and Villa recognise that he could play a big part next season as they look for promotion back to the Premier League.

Steve Bruce said: "Alan Hutton picks himself.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: chrisw1 on March 03, 2017, 10:29:57 AM
He's ok.  He has played in a basket case of a team for several years and has consistently been one of the few who seems to give a fuck.  I know that's not enough for a top half PL club but I think it is for this league.  Yes he could be better, but as with others I think that with better, more consistent players around him he will do ok.

There's plenty of other players who haven't been good enough for us doing a fine jobs teams well above us in the league standings.  (Lowton, Clark, Albrighton, Gueye, Westwood, Steven Davis, Curtis Davis, Steve Sidwell, Wayne Routledge, Craig Gardener etc).  I think Hutton will continue to do a decent job for someone in the championship.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: john e on March 03, 2017, 10:38:26 AM
I wouldn't be against a short term contract,
 he does a job at this level and if we replaced him we wouldn't be getting anyone much better if any
he's seems to have a good attitude which cant be a bad thing off the pitch and gives his all on it even if he is limited as a player

if we go and give him a 3/4 year deal then that would be silly though
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: SoccerHQ on March 03, 2017, 11:06:45 AM
He's done well last few games, Derby game he was excellent.

I'm not a fan though and don't understand the offer. We have Bree, Bacuna can fill in if needed and let's not forget De Laet won't be injured forever and is on a decent wage I'd imagine.

Only thing I can think of is we'll sell Amavi and use De Laet as a left back option...he's one of those who can play anywhere in the back 4 isn't he.

I just see it as Hutton has been here 6 years and probably played about 6 good games in that time so I'd rather just let him go.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: SoccerHQ on March 03, 2017, 11:07:42 AM
I wouldn't be against a short term contract,
 he does a job at this level and if we replaced him we wouldn't be getting anyone much better if any
he's seems to have a good attitude which cant be a bad thing off the pitch and gives his all on it even if he is limited as a player

if we go and give him a 3/4 year deal then that would be silly though

Surely we replaced him by signing Bree and De Laet?
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on March 03, 2017, 11:25:05 AM
I hope the likes of richards, gabby and bacuna don't have contract extension clauses when their time is nearly up!
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: aj2k77 on March 03, 2017, 11:28:23 AM
Does our wage bill really need 3 right backs all on decent money?
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: SoccerHQ on March 03, 2017, 11:30:45 AM
Scary thing is Richards will still have 3 years left on his deal at the end of the season, no idea how we shift him.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: sid1964 on March 03, 2017, 11:36:39 AM
we must have more money than sense! it seems to me whenever player is coming to the end of his contract, suddenly he starts to play well (in Hutton's case Average for 5 games), he get his new pension contract and will then go back to his old ways of being crap!

This type of decision is why the club is in such a mess financially.  What does this statement say to Bree - you have joined us to sit on the bench for another season, he may well have stayed at Barnsley and got a move this summer.

Let him go and then at least I will stop hearing that stupid song being sung! and stop him nearly hitting me in the crowd with his crosses.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: LeeB on March 03, 2017, 11:48:48 AM
we must have more money than sense! it seems to me whenever player is coming to the end of his contract, suddenly he starts to play well (in Hutton's case Average for 5 games), he get his new pension contract and will then go back to his old ways of being crap!

This type of decision is why the club is in such a mess financially.  What does this statement say to Bree - you have joined us to sit on the bench for another season, he may well have stayed at Barnsley and got a move this summer.

Let him go and then at least I will stop hearing that stupid song being sung! and stop him nearly hitting me in the crowd with his crosses.


I would say this says to Bree that he will have to work hard to get the shirt off Hutton, which is right and proper, and he'll not just walk into the team.

And if you hadn't noticed, our players sometimes get things called 'injuries', which means they cannot play and a replacement is needed.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: sid1964 on March 03, 2017, 11:59:28 AM
How many right backs do we need??

Bree
Bacuna
De-Laet (next season)
Richards
& we must have a reserve team player who can play there if needed!

I Would rather pay the wages that we could save from letting Hutton go and get an experienced Goal Keeper in to the side next season
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: chrisw1 on March 03, 2017, 12:05:55 PM
I don't think we can let Hutton go.  From what Bruce said he has triggered a clause where he get's another year.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: ironmaidenmania on March 03, 2017, 12:09:50 PM
Hutton deserves another year. He may not be the most talented player but he gives his all and has been the player in a couple of our games. Is Bree ready to step in and play for us? De Laet's injury is serious so will he be the same player he was? And he was signed by RDM so does Bruce rate him or will he try and get rid off him? If the latter then Hutton is needed.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: CJ on March 03, 2017, 12:11:56 PM
I much rather get rid of Richards, who we're stuck with for another 2 years, than Hutton. How we do that is another matter
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: chrisw1 on March 03, 2017, 12:18:46 PM
How many right backs do we need??

Bree
Bacuna
De-Laet (next season)
Richards
& we must have a reserve team player who can play there if needed!

I Would rather pay the wages that we could save from letting Hutton go and get an experienced Goal Keeper in to the side next season

De Laet was pretty shit before his injury so no way would I want to have to rely on him after a season out. Of course if he does come back strong then that is a bonus.

Richards - You want to have him as one of our options?  seriously? 

Bacuna is more of a midfielder.  I'd be nervous going in to a huge season with Bree & Bacuna as our only viable options.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: SoccerHQ on March 03, 2017, 12:19:51 PM
we must have more money than sense! it seems to me whenever player is coming to the end of his contract, suddenly he starts to play well (in Hutton's case Average for 5 games), he get his new pension contract and will then go back to his old ways of being crap!

This type of decision is why the club is in such a mess financially.  What does this statement say to Bree - you have joined us to sit on the bench for another season, he may well have stayed at Barnsley and got a move this summer.

Let him go and then at least I will stop hearing that stupid song being sung! and stop him nearly hitting me in the crowd with his crosses.


I would say this says to Bree that he will have to work hard to get the shirt off Hutton, which is right and proper, and he'll not just walk into the team.

And if you hadn't noticed, our players sometimes get things called 'injuries', which means they cannot play and a replacement is needed.

Actually Hutton doesn't get injured that much, he's quite reliable in that regard unlike many members of our squad.

I just see it as Bree was a regular at a team above us in the league so not sure he's come here to just bench warm and we will also have De Laet back in the mix next season.

I just think in terms of streamlining the squad we can let Hutton go.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Mister E on March 03, 2017, 12:30:25 PM
Scary thing is Richards will still have 3 years left on his deal at the end of the season, no idea how we shift him.
No way, surely?!!
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: N'ZMAV on March 03, 2017, 12:31:09 PM
Hutton would have to take a huge pay cut if he is staying on, surely? he's got to be on a decent whack still.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: old man villa fan on March 03, 2017, 12:34:09 PM

De Laet was pretty shit before his injury so no way would I want to have to rely on him after a season out.

Was he?  He only appeared 3 times and in the last of those 3, he was injured early.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: chrisw1 on March 03, 2017, 12:36:08 PM

De Laet was pretty shit before his injury so no way would I want to have to rely on him after a season out.

Was he?  He only appeared 3 times and in the last of those 3, he was injured early.
I think he may have played a few games for some other clubs before joining us.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: old man villa fan on March 03, 2017, 12:47:45 PM

De Laet was pretty shit before his injury so no way would I want to have to rely on him after a season out.

Was he?  He only appeared 3 times and in the last of those 3, he was injured early.
I think he may have played a few games for some other clubs before joining us.

So, you are saying he was a bad purchase.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: chrisw1 on March 03, 2017, 12:52:35 PM

De Laet was pretty shit before his injury so no way would I want to have to rely on him after a season out.

Was he?  He only appeared 3 times and in the last of those 3, he was injured early.
I think he may have played a few games for some other clubs before joining us.

So, you are saying he was a bad purchase.
That was certainly my opinion at the time, yes.  Of course I hope he gets fit and firing and proves me wrong.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Ad@m on March 03, 2017, 12:58:43 PM
I don't think we can let Hutton go.  From what Bruce said he has triggered a clause where he get's another year.

I just don't get this.  What kind of clause is that?  If it's simply a case of having to play in a certain number of games to be guaranteed a contract extension then whoever agreed such a contract needs a good kicking.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: old man villa fan on March 03, 2017, 01:08:07 PM
I don't think we can let Hutton go.  From what Bruce said he has triggered a clause where he get's another year.

I just don't get this.  What kind of clause is that?  If it's simply a case of having to play in a certain number of games to be guaranteed a contract extension then whoever agreed such a contract needs a good kicking.

Totally agree.  When you think we can move players on at the end of their contract, this pops up.

What hope is there for young players at this club. Great incentive.  We have to rebuild for the future and this does not help.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Goldie.7 on March 03, 2017, 01:11:07 PM
Sigh.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: darren woolley on March 03, 2017, 01:12:46 PM
Hutton deserves another year. He may not be the most talented player but he gives his all and has been the player in a couple of our games. Is Bree ready to step in and play for us? De Laet's injury is serious so will he be the same player he was? And he was signed by RDM so does Bruce rate him or will he try and get rid off him? If the latter then Hutton is needed.


This.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: adrenachrome on March 03, 2017, 01:14:59 PM
From The Express and Star.

Quote
The 32-year-old’s deal had been due to expire at the end of the current campaign but the extension will keep him at Villa Park until the summer of 2018.

Hutton has experienced vastly fluctuating fortunes since joining Villa from Tottenham in 2011, at one stage being frozen out of the first-team squad for more than two years and told he had no future at the club by then boss Paul Lambert.

But he was recalled at the start of the 2014-15 campaign and signed a new three-year deal shortly afterward.

This season he has made 26 appearances and according to boss Steve Bruce is deserving of the extension.

“There’s an automatic clause which kicks in which I’m delighted to see,” said Bruce.

“He (Hutton) has seen off the challenge of many here.

Read more at http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/aston-villa-fc/2017/03/03/alan-hutton-triggers-aston-villa-contract-extension-clause/#eixc4oeSjkoRbbsW.99 (http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/aston-villa-fc/2017/03/03/alan-hutton-triggers-aston-villa-contract-extension-clause/#eixc4oeSjkoRbbsW.99)
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: old man villa fan on March 03, 2017, 01:25:36 PM
First we have GA being brought back, then these comments.  What's Bruce's next move, bringing back CNZ.

I thought we had sunk low enough to basically start again and rebuild but the Club seem as though they can't let go of the past.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Goldie.7 on March 03, 2017, 01:29:20 PM
Hutton deserves another year. He may not be the most talented player but he gives his all and has been the best player in a couple of our games. Is Bree ready to step in and play for us?

All you have to do at Villa is do this and you get millions for another year. Who gives a shit about the other 44 games. :o
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: garyshawsknee on March 03, 2017, 01:30:44 PM
Ye gods, yes he has played quite well recently, but it shows how far we have sunk.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: peter w on March 03, 2017, 01:33:20 PM
He'll need to be replaced but no problem with another year. He'll spend more time on the bench the better become and his delivery less of an issue. How many clubs right backs are seen as the main deliverer of crosses/chances anyway? We should just phase him out when we have a better defender at right back not just someone who can cross a ball into the box in the absence of anyone else.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 03, 2017, 02:14:18 PM
It's almost as if the saying "flatters to deceive " was invented for him.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: TheMalandro on March 03, 2017, 02:18:17 PM
I can't say I'm bothered either way, he's played well recently, he has good attitude, the extension was in his contract and he will probably be a sub at best next year.

Good luck to him.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: TheTimVilla on March 03, 2017, 02:36:01 PM
I'm bothered. I wish we could just bin him off.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 03, 2017, 02:39:59 PM
We're all hoping for a promotion push next season, for about £1.5m, if that, we'll have a decent back up. Makes sense to me as long as it's a 1 year extension and not 3+ years.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Gareth on March 03, 2017, 03:09:46 PM
I don't think we can let Hutton go.  From what Bruce said he has triggered a clause where he get's another year.

I just don't get this.  What kind of clause is that?  If it's simply a case of having to play in a certain number of games to be guaranteed a contract extension then whoever agreed such a contract needs a good kicking.

And if he had been playing well all season and left for free we'd all have been saying surely the club has a clause in the contract to get another year if he has played enough?

Those clauses are loaded in the clubs favour so they are no bad thing, if the club hadn't wanted to trigger it Bacuna would have played plenty of games at right back this season.

I'm no Hutton fan but this is standard contract behaviour.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: adrenachrome on March 03, 2017, 03:54:02 PM
We're all hoping for a promotion push next season, for about £1.5m, if that, we'll have a decent back up. Makes sense to me as long as it's a 1 year extension and not 3+ years.

That's the size and shape of it, and the long and short of it. 

It's a trigger, but not a hair-trigger as he is as bald as a coot or a badger's rear end.

We call him Attila the Hu(tto)n because of his tendency to go a-raiding off at the drop of a hat without a bye your leave or cover from the wide midfielder.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on March 03, 2017, 04:25:02 PM
I like him. Think he is OK at this level and adds some experience and guts to the team.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Gareth on March 03, 2017, 05:17:51 PM
We're all hoping for a promotion push next season, for about £1.5m, if that, we'll have a decent back up. Makes sense to me as long as it's a 1 year extension and not 3+ years.

That's the size and shape of it, and the long and short of it. 

It's a trigger, but not a hair-trigger as he is as bald as a coot or a badger's rear end.

We call him Attila the Hu(tto)n because of his tendency to go a-raiding off at the drop of a hat without a bye your leave or cover from the wide midfielder.
Always been Hutton dressed as Lahm to me
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Mister E on March 03, 2017, 05:37:08 PM
Begs the question about de Laet's long-term future. I wonder how his rehab is going.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Chris Smith on March 03, 2017, 06:13:13 PM
If I am reading it right it says he had a clause allowing him a one year extension which he has decided to use. If that is the case it was out of our hands.

Personally I am pleased, he shows an exemplary attitude and is a good example for others. 
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: ktvillan on March 03, 2017, 06:26:20 PM
I really struggle to understand why this "Hutton gives his all" myth persists among some supporters.  If his regular ambling back to his own half after another futile forage down the right is anything to go by he really really doesn't.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on March 03, 2017, 06:32:13 PM
Personally I am pleased, he shows an exemplary attitude and is a good example for others. 

Same here.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: West Derby Villan on March 03, 2017, 07:01:03 PM
Personally I am pleased, he shows an exemplary attitude and is a good example for others. 

Same here.

And me 100%
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Ian. on March 03, 2017, 07:04:35 PM
Personally I am pleased, he shows an exemplary attitude and is a good example for others. 

Same here.

And me 100%
Me too, he's been excellent of late. His attitude has always been first class since we signed him, but often his concentration has let him down.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Clampy on March 03, 2017, 07:09:04 PM
I don't think he's a very good player at all but you can't knock the guy's effort. I think another 1 year deal is fine.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: VancouverLion on March 03, 2017, 07:09:53 PM
Personally I am pleased, he shows an exemplary attitude and is a good example for others. 

Same here.

And me 100%
Me too, he's been excellent of late. His attitude has always been first class since we signed him, but often his concentration has let him down.
Me too. SB said he's the first in every day and trains every day like it's his last.
Might not be the best right back in the world but at least he's committed unlike some.
Bacuna for one...
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on March 03, 2017, 07:15:30 PM
Personally I am pleased, he shows an exemplary attitude and is a good example for others. 

Same here.

And me 100%
Me too, he's been excellent of late. His attitude has always been first class since we signed him, but often his concentration has let him down.

This
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: paul_e on March 03, 2017, 07:15:56 PM
I really struggle to understand why this "Hutton gives his all" myth persists among some supporters.  If his regular ambling back to his own half after another futile forage down the right is anything to go by he really really doesn't.

I've given up on that argument, in the last couple of weeks we've had a group on here who have complained over and over again about our top scorer but are praising a guy who has wasted more possession than any player I can think of because at least he runs a lot and has had a couple of performances that have been a bit better than the crap we normally see.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Ian. on March 03, 2017, 07:27:53 PM
Who is this group of Kodjia bashers who like Hutton?

Personally I like Kodjia, he's been excellent and we certainly missed him in January. Hutton has always had a good attitude, in that area he can't be faulted.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: KevinGage on March 03, 2017, 07:32:31 PM
How many other right-backs will he have faced down by his testimonial year in 2021.

They came, they saw. They couldn't oust the the wild boar of Pollockshaws.  He is indomitable.

Dreadful footballer though.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Bad English on March 03, 2017, 08:00:30 PM
 I will be glad when Hutton is no longer at Aston Villa. Indeed, I will put him to the very back of my mind, along with the past decade of Aston Villa history. He doesn't register on my Villagraph.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: LeeB on March 03, 2017, 08:01:07 PM
How many other right-backs will he have faced down by his testimonial year in 2021.

They came, they saw. They couldn't oust the the wild boar of Pollockshaws.  He is indomitable.

Dreadful footballer though.

I had a theory that it's Hutton's shadowy hand behind our fall from grace, deliberately sabotaging us so we fade at the same rate as his limited prowesss, and he never has to leave.


*I'm joking btw.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Chris Smith on March 03, 2017, 08:17:28 PM
I really struggle to understand why this "Hutton gives his all" myth persists among some supporters.  If his regular ambling back to his own half after another futile forage down the right is anything to go by he really really doesn't.

I've given up on that argument, in the last couple of weeks we've had a group on here who have complained over and over again about our top scorer but are praising a guy who has wasted more possession than any player I can think of because at least he runs a lot and has had a couple of performances that have been a bit better than the crap we normally see.

It's not just a group on here, if you attend games you will know that is a majority of the crowd too. He has won people over due to his attitude. In an era when we have have employed so many wasters and con men he stands out as somebody who plays like he gives a fuck. Lack of ability can be forgiven in a way that lack of application never can.

Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: LeeB on March 03, 2017, 09:15:50 PM
I really struggle to understand why this "Hutton gives his all" myth persists among some supporters.  If his regular ambling back to his own half after another futile forage down the right is anything to go by he really really doesn't.

I've given up on that argument, in the last couple of weeks we've had a group on here who have complained over and over again about our top scorer but are praising a guy who has wasted more possession than any player I can think of because at least he runs a lot and has had a couple of performances that have been a bit better than the crap we normally see.

It's not just a group on here, if you attend games you will know that is a majority of the crowd too. He has won people over due to his attitude. In an era when we have have employed so many wasters and con men he stands out as somebody who plays like he gives a fuck. Lack of ability can be forgiven in a way that lack of application never can.



I also appreciate that when he was dreated like dirt by the club he didn't gripe to the papers or bad mouth the club.

Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: adrenachrome on March 03, 2017, 10:52:23 PM
I really struggle to understand why this "Hutton gives his all" myth persists among some supporters.  If his regular ambling back to his own half after another futile forage down the right is anything to go by he really really doesn't.

I've given up on that argument, in the last couple of weeks we've had a group on here who have complained over and over again about our top scorer but are praising a guy who has wasted more possession than any player I can think of because at least he runs a lot and has had a couple of performances that have been a bit better than the crap we normally see.

It's not just a group on here, if you attend games you will know that is a majority of the crowd too. He has won people over due to his attitude. In an era when we have have employed so many wasters and con men he stands out as somebody who plays like he gives a fuck. Lack of ability can be forgiven in a way that lack of application never can.



I wrote quite a while ago in response to your argument, Paul, that I considered Hutton to be a quite capable defender, but I was not so sure about his forward rampaging particularly if the the relevant midfielder does not slot back to cover. In fact, I maintain that we restored defensive solidity in the top division, admittedly at a cost to our attacking play, when Hutton and Aly Cissokho were brought back as full backs.

Somebody somewhere decided that full backs have the most time and space and therefore must provide the width for attacks, but I am skeptical in these matters, erring on the side of the iconoclasm. I further argue that Steve Bruce is not as dumb as a bag of spanners, nor he is set in his ways as often portrayed by his critics.  Ditto Fat Sam, who has been progressive in many respects.

If we brought in Wagner, nobody earning above £15,000 per week will go on his pre-season boot camp bondage session up the Brecon. You will say that is a straw man, but I raise you Alan Wicker by way of Eric Woodward. And Britt Eckland had a body double. 
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: PeterWithe on March 03, 2017, 11:01:02 PM
Personally I am pleased, he shows an exemplary attitude and is a good example for others. 

Same here.

Me too. Probably my favourite player at present.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: adrenachrome on March 03, 2017, 11:12:02 PM
Personally I am pleased, he shows an exemplary attitude and is a good example for others. 

Same here.

Me too. Probably my favourite player at present.

I love the Hutt, me.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: LeeB on March 04, 2017, 12:16:52 AM
I really struggle to understand why this "Hutton gives his all" myth persists among some supporters.  If his regular ambling back to his own half after another futile forage down the right is anything to go by he really really doesn't.

I've given up on that argument, in the last couple of weeks we've had a group on here who have complained over and over again about our top scorer but are praising a guy who has wasted more possession than any player I can think of because at least he runs a lot and has had a couple of performances that have been a bit better than the crap we normally see.

It's not just a group on here, if you attend games you will know that is a majority of the crowd too. He has won people over due to his attitude. In an era when we have have employed so many wasters and con men he stands out as somebody who plays like he gives a fuck. Lack of ability can be forgiven in a way that lack of application never can.



I wrote quite a while ago in response to your argument, Paul, that I considered Hutton to be a quite capable defender, but I was not so sure about his forward rampaging particularly if the the relevant midfielder does not slot back to cover. In fact, I maintain that we restored defensive solidity in the top division, admittedly at a cost to our attacking play, when Hutton and Aly Cissokho were brought back as full backs.

Somebody somewhere decided that full backs have the most time and space and therefore must provide the width for attacks, but I am skeptical in these matters, erring on the side of the iconoclasm. I further argue that Steve Bruce is not as dumb as a bag of spanners, nor he is set in his ways as often portrayed by his critics.  Ditto Fat Sam, who has been progressive in many respects.

If we brought in Wagner, nobody earning above £15,000 per week will go on his pre-season boot camp bondage session up the Brecon. You will say that is a straw man, but I raise you Alan Wicker by way of Eric Woodward. And Britt Eckland had a body double. 

With the world burning around us, you're going to tell me those aren't Britt Eklands tits?

FFS.

Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: adrenachrome on March 04, 2017, 01:09:25 AM
Can't begin to tell you how distraught I was when the news fist broke all those years ago. Probably wasn't happy presenting them with a Scottish Highland accent.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: KevinGage on March 04, 2017, 01:24:17 AM
How many other right-backs will he have faced down by his testimonial year in 2021.

They came, they saw. They couldn't oust the the wild boar of Pollockshaws.  He is indomitable.

Dreadful footballer though.

I had a theory that it's Hutton's shadowy hand behind our fall from grace, deliberately sabotaging us so we fade at the same rate as his limited prowesss, and he never has to leave.



He feasts on the bones of the vanquished.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Comrade Blitz on March 04, 2017, 01:32:38 AM
Personally I am pleased, he shows an exemplary attitude and is a good example for others. 

Same here.

Me too. Probably my favourite player at present.

Hallelujah. You try running all the way from the back over and over again match after match trying to find a fat little disinterested 4 ft tall fucker to whom to cross the ball. How he's not gone mental and nutted everyone during training at BMH is a testament to his dedication to the team.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: aj2k77 on March 04, 2017, 02:01:59 AM
Alan Hutton is absolutely shit at football. He bombs forwards, rarely does fuck all, is extremely lazy and is caught out of position often and doesn't track back. Excuse me if I don't want him spending another 12 months milking the club for thousands of pounds a week, he deserves it because he didn't slag us off when we treated him like an idiot.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: J on March 04, 2017, 09:09:56 AM
You can accuse Hutton of many things, but being lazy isn't one of them.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: JUAN PABLO on March 04, 2017, 09:35:54 AM
I hope De Laet is going to come back ok from injury fully.

He is a  very good right back at championship level.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Brend'Watkins on March 04, 2017, 09:46:43 AM
Alan Hutton is absolutely shit at football. He bombs forwards, rarely does fuck all, is extremely lazy and is caught out of position often and doesn't track back. Excuse me if I don't want him spending another 12 months milking the club for thousands of pounds a week, he deserves it because he didn't slag us off when we treated him like an idiot.

Wow.

Hutton is one of our more consistent performers this term.  He has failings, they all do but lazyness as far as Hutton is concerned is not one of them. Hutton gives his all in every game.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Steve67 on March 04, 2017, 10:38:11 AM
Bree serves his apprenticeship over the next 18 months and then becomes the best right back in the history of football. Hutton is ok, but, if we want to get promoted next season....
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: frank black on March 04, 2017, 11:09:38 AM
You can tell over the past 3-4 games he has been playing to earn a contract and that there is some pressure from Bree.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: SoccerHQ on March 04, 2017, 11:33:43 AM
What's he better at than Jedinak who's got some ridiculous stick on here over the last few months?
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: old man villa fan on March 04, 2017, 12:02:42 PM
Bree serves his apprenticeship over the next 18 months and then becomes the best right back in the history of football. Hutton is ok, but, if we want to get promoted next season....

We play Bree as first choice but not all of the time and develop him in the Championship.  He goes up into the PL as first choice.  You do not want him being blooded in the PL.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: tomd2103 on March 04, 2017, 12:24:21 PM
I hope De Laet is going to come back ok from injury fully.

He is a  very good right back at championship level.

Yep and this news about Hutton means we will have 4 right backs next season if you include Richards.  Not ideal, especially as Richards and Hutton are probably on big wages. 

Hutton must have a very good agent or Lambert and co. must have been incredibly niaive for a contract like that to be agreed.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Richard on March 04, 2017, 12:29:49 PM
5 if you include Bacuna ! But I can see most of them playing in other positions like left back centre half or defensive midfield even.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Steve67 on March 04, 2017, 12:45:28 PM
Bree serves his apprenticeship over the next 18 months and then becomes the best right back in the history of football. Hutton is ok, but, if we want to get promoted next season....

We play Bree as first choice but not all of the time and develop him in the Championship.  He goes up into the PL as first choice.  You do not want him being blooded in the PL.

We agree then mate!
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: tomd2103 on March 04, 2017, 02:09:29 PM
5 if you include Bacuna ! But I can see most of them playing in other positions like left back centre half or defensive midfield even.

Not sure I can.  De Laet, Bree and Bacuna as a utility option would be fine.  The wages picked up by Hutton and Richards would be better invested in other areas.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on March 04, 2017, 03:46:21 PM


Not sure what's depressed me more this week, this news or Richards returning. Two players i'd pay good money to never watch in the shirt again
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on March 04, 2017, 07:52:35 PM
Three clean sheets and one of our best players in all three games. Well done Hutton.

Taylor looks loads more solid than the feckless Amavi too.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 04, 2017, 07:55:20 PM
Amavi will be a very effective winger in the coming weeks.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Ian. on March 04, 2017, 07:55:21 PM
Yep, two full backs playing well does make a difference. Most the season Hutton and Amavi have been pretty erratic. Really disappointed with Amavi.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: paul_e on March 04, 2017, 08:01:09 PM
Yep, two full backs playing well does make a difference. Most the season Hutton and Amavi have been pretty erratic. Really disappointed with Amavi.

That's not really fair, Amavi was playing well until the new year but I think the £25m thing got into his head and he took his eye off things.  I want us to keep faith with him though because I still think he can become a very good fullback in a couple of years with decent coaching.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Three Spires Villa on March 04, 2017, 08:34:04 PM
I thought Hutton was very good today
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Ads on March 04, 2017, 08:47:28 PM
Ha! He's got a new song finally hailing him as the Scottish Cafu.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Ian. on March 04, 2017, 09:27:26 PM
Yep, two full backs playing well does make a difference. Most the season Hutton and Amavi have been pretty erratic. Really disappointed with Amavi.

That's not really fair, Amavi was playing well until the new year but I think the £25m thing got into his head and he took his eye off things.  I want us to keep faith with him though because I still think he can become a very good fullback in a couple of years with decent coaching.
He's still been very erratic and has cost us points, fair or not.
I thought he'd tear this league up going forward and also be solid when needed to defend. He hasn't been very good.  I could say something similar about Ayew too.
Both players have a lot of potential, it's just not happening.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: UK Redsox on March 04, 2017, 09:38:04 PM
Hutton has been very good, bordering on excellent in the last few games
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: AGRIPPA on March 05, 2017, 12:17:05 AM
I hope De Laet is going to come back ok from injury fully.

He is a  very good right back at championship level.

Yep and this news about Hutton means we will have 4 right backs next season if you include Richards.  Not ideal, especially as Richards and Hutton are probably on big wages. 

Hutton must have a very good agent or Lambert and co. must have been incredibly niaive for a contract like that to be agreed.

It's doubtful that Lambert agreed his contract... If he said he wanted him others would have agreed the salary
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: AV82EC on March 05, 2017, 11:10:33 AM
Hutton has been very good, bordering on excellent in the last few games

Steady on.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: tomd2103 on March 05, 2017, 12:25:32 PM
I hope De Laet is going to come back ok from injury fully.

He is a  very good right back at championship level.

Yep and this news about Hutton means we will have 4 right backs next season if you include Richards.  Not ideal, especially as Richards and Hutton are probably on big wages. 

Hutton must have a very good agent or Lambert and co. must have been incredibly niaive for a contract like that to be agreed.

It's doubtful that Lambert agreed his contract... If he said he wanted him others would have agreed the salary

I just find it amazing that in the space of a few months, Hutton went from not having a future at the club to signing a new three year deal giving him the option of an extra year. 
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: OCD on March 05, 2017, 11:05:03 PM
A player coming good not long before his contract is about to expire? Surely not.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: sid1964 on March 06, 2017, 07:53:40 AM
can someone just confirm that it is a 1 year deal until next summer

Looks like I will not bother with a season ticket until 2018 - 19 as hopefully by then both Hutton and Gabby will be gone (the thought of watching these 2 in the side next season is horrendous)
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Ad@m on March 06, 2017, 11:16:45 AM
can someone just confirm that it is a 1 year deal until next summer

Looks like I will not bother with a season ticket until 2018 - 19 as hopefully by then both Hutton and Gabby will be gone (the thought of watching these 2 in the side next season is horrendous)

You'd stop watching the Villa because you don't like the right back?!
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Pete3206 on March 06, 2017, 11:22:25 AM
can someone just confirm that it is a 1 year deal until next summer

Looks like I will not bother with a season ticket until 2018 - 19 as hopefully by then both Hutton and Gabby will be gone (the thought of watching these 2 in the side next season is horrendous)

Righto
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Gareth on March 06, 2017, 11:40:07 AM
I really don't get the criticism over the contract, it has become standard in contracts since Bosman that you sign a player for a period and then the club have an option for extension based upon a clause, generally a good amount of appearances, being met...it's the club protecting its assets.

If they hadn't wanted Hutton to stay then he would have been left out before the clause was met...its not like we haven't had Bacuna sat there for half the season doing nothing that could have played there.

Personally I'm no Hutton fan because I think his constant marauding forward with little to no end product completely unbalances the defence when he is frequently out of position but I do believe that Bruce is happy to retain him for another year.

DeLaet will have been out for thick end of a year so he isn't going to hit the ground running, he'll take a good few weeks/months to get back to his best & every chance there will be the odd muscle injury in his rehab - and Bree might very well be seen long term as a centre half or defensive midfielder so seems sensible to keep Hutton around for another year....where it will be sad is if this time next year he is still first choice RB!
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: sid1964 on March 06, 2017, 12:11:40 PM
I just don't understand how people can suddenly go from thinking Hutton is the worst right back in the last 20 years, to now thinking that we have the new Messi at right back? maybe I am just fickle like so many other football fans

He was awful the day we signed from Spurs (they could not believe they got so much for him) and he certainly has not improved.

But for me he would have to play a lot better than he is for me to change my opinion on him!

He runs forwards and then stops and either goes back or passes it square (not always to 1 of our players)
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: peter w on March 06, 2017, 12:30:09 PM
He's poor but he's not League 1 standard which many of our team (squad) are.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Mister E on March 06, 2017, 12:31:38 PM
He's poor but he's not League 1 standard which many of our team (squad) are.
Many of our squad are: really?
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: adrenachrome on March 06, 2017, 12:34:24 PM
I just don't understand how people can suddenly go from thinking Hutton is the worst right back in the last 20 years, to now thinking that we have the new Messi at right back? maybe I am just fickle like so many other football fans

He was awful the day we signed from Spurs (they could not believe they got so much for him) and he certainly has not improved.

But for me he would have to play a lot better than he is for me to change my opinion on him!

He runs forwards and then stops and either goes back or passes it square (not always to 1 of our players)

It is hardly surprising that you don't understand since not a single person on this forum, and most likely in any other forum or for that matter, in the whole wide world has gone through the mental process described in your first sentence.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: old man villa fan on March 06, 2017, 01:17:10 PM
I really don't get the criticism over the contract, it has become standard in contracts since Bosman that you sign a player for a period and then the club have an option for extension based upon a clause, generally a good amount of appearances, being met...it's the club protecting its assets.

If they hadn't wanted Hutton to stay then he would have been left out before the clause was met...its not like we haven't had Bacuna sat there for half the season doing nothing that could have played there.

Personally I'm no Hutton fan because I think his constant marauding forward with little to no end product completely unbalances the defence when he is frequently out of position but I do believe that Bruce is happy to retain him for another year.

DeLaet will have been out for thick end of a year so he isn't going to hit the ground running, he'll take a good few weeks/months to get back to his best & every chance there will be the odd muscle injury in his rehab - and Bree might very well be seen long term as a centre half or defensive midfielder so seems sensible to keep Hutton around for another year....where it will be sad is if this time next year he is still first choice RB!

I just hope Gabby hasn't got a similar clause.

Seems a strange clause to have in a contract that was for 3(?) years.  Surely, with a player in Hutton's position, negotiating a new contract 1 year before the end would not have been difficult.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Dribbler on March 06, 2017, 02:36:16 PM
I just don't understand how people can suddenly go from thinking Hutton is the worst right back in the last 20 years, to now thinking that we have the new Messi at right back? maybe I am just fickle like so many other football fans

He was awful the day we signed from Spurs (they could not believe they got so much for him) and he certainly has not improved.

But for me he would have to play a lot better than he is for me to change my opinion on him!

He runs forwards and then stops and either goes back or passes it square (not always to 1 of our players)

As someone already said, no one has actually gone through the revisionary thought process you mention, which might be one reason for your lack of understanding.

The problem is whilst there have been people that have acknowledged his contribution and the limiting factors around that (playing in an overall shit team, playing in systems or roles that aren't suited to him etc) there are always people that will just continue to say he's shit no matter what (case in point). Numerous times i've seen Hutton be one of the best players in the side, and many acknowledge this, yet some people still single him out in the post match thread for abuse. It doesn't really tally up and to me it seems obvious that these people's preinstalled bias clouds their footballing perception.

What you've described is how a defender should generally play. He's not a wingback, and shouldn't be played as one, but he is a solid defender when played in the right team, and whilst his age now i think would preclude him from being premiership standard, he'll do us good for next season in the championship.

Very pleased for him extending his contract, he deserves it for the effort he's put in, and the attitude he's had in his time here, it's a good two fingers up to his critics as well!
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: chrisw1 on March 06, 2017, 02:36:34 PM
I just don't understand how people can suddenly go from thinking Hutton is the worst right back in the last 20 years, to now thinking that we have the new Messi at right back? maybe I am just fickle like so many other football fans

He was awful the day we signed from Spurs (they could not believe they got so much for him) and he certainly has not improved.

But for me he would have to play a lot better than he is for me to change my opinion on him!

He runs forwards and then stops and either goes back or passes it square (not always to 1 of our players)

It is hardly surprising that you don't understand since not a single person on this forum, and most likely in any other forum or for that matter, in the whole wide world has gone through the mental process described in your first sentence.
excellent!
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Vegas on March 06, 2017, 02:44:24 PM
I haven't read the last few posts, but I'd just like to say that over the last few games I've revised my opinion of Hutton from "gutsy but limited", to "the Messi of right backs". I actually think he may now be rivalling Ali for the title of greatest ever sportsman.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: paul_e on March 06, 2017, 02:56:03 PM
The problem is whilst there have been people that have acknowledged his contribution and the limiting factors around that (playing in an overall shit team, playing in systems or roles that aren't suited to him etc) there are always people that will just continue to say he's shit no matter what (case in point). Numerous times i've seen Hutton be one of the best players in the side, and many acknowledge this, yet some people still single him out in the post match thread for abuse. It doesn't really tally up and to me it seems obvious that these people's preinstalled bias clouds their footballing perception.

What you've described is how a defender should generally play. He's not a wingback, and shouldn't be played as one, but he is a solid defender when played in the right team, and whilst his age now i think would preclude him from being premiership standard, he'll do us good for next season in the championship.

I'm sorry but I have to disagree, I think there are 3 groups of people when it comes to Hutton because you've missed out the people who watch him and regardless of how he's played use words like effort, determination, honest to describe him.  Those of us who really don't he's good enough end up having to be overly negative to get a point across to this group. A lot of people have said that he gets caught out of position far too often but some people have a preinstalled bias to still call him a 'solid defender' even when presented with clear evidence of numerous defensive errors.  He's had 3 games in a row where he hasn't made any particularly appalling errors and some people see that as evidence that he's been 'excellent' because the expectations of him are so low that no one is surprised or concerned if he gives the ball away from good positions.  As a defensive unit we've been better in the last 3 games and he's been part of that but that doesn't stop him also having been a big part of one the worst defences I've ever seen last season part of the defence this season that couldn't stop making mistakes in Janaury and February.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Dribbler on March 06, 2017, 04:34:52 PM
The problem is whilst there have been people that have acknowledged his contribution and the limiting factors around that (playing in an overall shit team, playing in systems or roles that aren't suited to him etc) there are always people that will just continue to say he's shit no matter what (case in point). Numerous times i've seen Hutton be one of the best players in the side, and many acknowledge this, yet some people still single him out in the post match thread for abuse. It doesn't really tally up and to me it seems obvious that these people's preinstalled bias clouds their footballing perception.

What you've described is how a defender should generally play. He's not a wingback, and shouldn't be played as one, but he is a solid defender when played in the right team, and whilst his age now i think would preclude him from being premiership standard, he'll do us good for next season in the championship.

I'm sorry but I have to disagree, I think there are 3 groups of people when it comes to Hutton because you've missed out the people who watch him and regardless of how he's played use words like effort, determination, honest to describe him.  Those of us who really don't he's good enough end up having to be overly negative to get a point across to this group. A lot of people have said that he gets caught out of position far too often but some people have a preinstalled bias to still call him a 'solid defender' even when presented with clear evidence of numerous defensive errors.  He's had 3 games in a row where he hasn't made any particularly appalling errors and some people see that as evidence that he's been 'excellent' because the expectations of him are so low that no one is surprised or concerned if he gives the ball away from good positions.  As a defensive unit we've been better in the last 3 games and he's been part of that but that doesn't stop him also having been a big part of one the worst defences I've ever seen last season part of the defence this season that couldn't stop making mistakes in Janaury and February.

Have you not not kind of disagreed, but agreed with me there?

I mentioned the obvious caveats that perfomances for any player are always going to be affected  by "playing in an overall shit team, playing in systems or roles that aren't suited to [them] etc" and "He's not a wingback, and shouldn't be played as one, but he is a solid defender when played in the right team", and personally i think that many of the reasons you don't rate him are because of the above. I think he, the team, but the back line in particular, are now benefitting from the right kind of set up and balance, defensively at least. The defense now has some protection infront of it, and better creative midfielders/wingers for them to pass it out to, meaning the fullbacks in particular can sit back more and focus on the more defensive duties.

We've not had the quality of player recently to play with wingbacks, because we've not had the quality of someone that can both defend and attack, Kyle Walker is probably the last good example i can think of. Yes, Alan Hutton is no Kyle Walker, but he's now back at the Spuds and in a top 6 premiership side, and that's where those kind of players ply their trade, at least when their nearer the finished article.

Hutton was, IMO, bottom half premiership quality, but his age and slowing legs mean he wouldn't cut it there now, he's still a good player for us and where we are though, and will be very useful next season where i guess we'll try and bring Bree through and hopefully have De Laet back.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: peter w on March 06, 2017, 06:30:42 PM
He's poor but he's not League 1 standard which many of our team (squad) are.
Many of our squad are: really?

Yes.

Bunn
Elphick
Bacuna
Richards (not played much admittedly but he's poor)
Baker (maybe slightly harsh but lower mid table championship at best)
Amavi (he has played well in parts but for the most of the season i think he's looked terrible. Always just waiting for the rickett that gives the opposition a chance)
Cissokho (out of his depth in the Championship)
Gardner
Tshibola (maybe he'll get better but seen nothing thus far)
McCormack (not looked anywhere near good enough even though he's proved it at this level previously)
Agbonlahor (really hasn't looked even looked a threat at this level)


Just a few off the top of my head.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Mister E on March 06, 2017, 06:46:32 PM
He's poor but he's not League 1 standard which many of our team (squad) are.
Many of our squad are: really?

Yes.

Bunn
Elphick
Bacuna
Richards (not played much admittedly but he's poor)
Baker (maybe slightly harsh but lower mid table championship at best)
Amavi (he has played well in parts but for the most of the season i think he's looked terrible. Always just waiting for the rickett that gives the opposition a chance)
Cissokho (out of his depth in the Championship)
Gardner
Tshibola (maybe he'll get better but seen nothing thus far)
McCormack (not looked anywhere near good enough even though he's proved it at this level previously)
Agbonlahor (really hasn't looked even looked a threat at this level)


Just a few off the top of my head.

You've listed good Championship players here: most are far better than League 1 (even, dare I say it, Flabby).
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: peter w on March 06, 2017, 06:55:17 PM
He's poor but he's not League 1 standard which many of our team (squad) are.
Many of our squad are: really?

Yes.

Bunn
Elphick
Bacuna
Richards (not played much admittedly but he's poor)
Baker (maybe slightly harsh but lower mid table championship at best)
Amavi (he has played well in parts but for the most of the season i think he's looked terrible. Always just waiting for the rickett that gives the opposition a chance)
Cissokho (out of his depth in the Championship)
Gardner
Tshibola (maybe he'll get better but seen nothing thus far)
McCormack (not looked anywhere near good enough even though he's proved it at this level previously)
Agbonlahor (really hasn't looked even looked a threat at this level)


Just a few off the top of my head.

You've listed good Championship players here: most are far better than League 1 (even, dare I say it, Flabby).

Good? Other than the odd decent performance are you really saying that any of those have been good this season. I mean good?
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: West Derby Villan on March 06, 2017, 06:56:08 PM
He's poor but he's not League 1 standard which many of our team (squad) are.
Many of our squad are: really?

Yes.

Bunn
Elphick
Bacuna
Richards (not played much admittedly but he's poor)
Baker (maybe slightly harsh but lower mid table championship at best)
Amavi (he has played well in parts but for the most of the season i think he's looked terrible. Always just waiting for the rickett that gives the opposition a chance)
Cissokho (out of his depth in the Championship)
Gardner
Tshibola (maybe he'll get better but seen nothing thus far)
McCormack (not looked anywhere near good enough even though he's proved it at this level previously)
Agbonlahor (really hasn't looked even looked a threat at this level)


Just a few off the top of my head.

Bit harsh imho PW
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Gareth on March 06, 2017, 07:21:11 PM
I really don't get the criticism over the contract, it has become standard in contracts since Bosman that you sign a player for a period and then the club have an option for extension based upon a clause, generally a good amount of appearances, being met...it's the club protecting its assets.

If they hadn't wanted Hutton to stay then he would have been left out before the clause was met...its not like we haven't had Bacuna sat there for half the season doing nothing that could have played there.

Personally I'm no Hutton fan because I think his constant marauding forward with little to no end product completely unbalances the defence when he is frequently out of position but I do believe that Bruce is happy to retain him for another year.

DeLaet will have been out for thick end of a year so he isn't going to hit the ground running, he'll take a good few weeks/months to get back to his best & every chance there will be the odd muscle injury in his rehab - and Bree might very well be seen long term as a centre half or defensive midfielder so seems sensible to keep Hutton around for another year....where it will be sad is if this time next year he is still first choice RB!

I just hope Gabby hasn't got a similar clause.

Seems a strange clause to have in a contract that was for 3(?) years.  Surely, with a player in Hutton's position, negotiating a new contract 1 year before the end would not have been difficult.

Not really strange though is it? 100% loaded in the clubs favour because if he isn't picked 25 times or whatever it took to trigger the clause he leaves for free in summer, managers have picked him so he has met the clause.  He might end up leaving in the summer anyway but the club decides if he does.

Sure Gabby has it too but he likewise will have to start 20/25 games in his final year which seems unlikely :-)
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: LeeB on March 06, 2017, 07:55:31 PM
He's poor but he's not League 1 standard which many of our team (squad) are.
Many of our squad are: really?

Yes.

Bunn
Elphick
Bacuna
Richards (not played much admittedly but he's poor)
Baker (maybe slightly harsh but lower mid table championship at best)
Amavi (he has played well in parts but for the most of the season i think he's looked terrible. Always just waiting for the rickett that gives the opposition a chance)
Cissokho (out of his depth in the Championship)
Gardner
Tshibola (maybe he'll get better but seen nothing thus far)
McCormack (not looked anywhere near good enough even though he's proved it at this level previously)
Agbonlahor (really hasn't looked even looked a threat at this level)


Just a few off the top of my head.


Spot on from where I'm sat.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Dave on March 06, 2017, 08:04:30 PM
He's poor but he's not League 1 standard which many of our team (squad) are.
Many of our squad are: really?

Yes.

Bunn
Elphick
Bacuna
Richards (not played much admittedly but he's poor)
Baker (maybe slightly harsh but lower mid table championship at best)
Amavi (he has played well in parts but for the most of the season i think he's looked terrible. Always just waiting for the rickett that gives the opposition a chance)
Cissokho (out of his depth in the Championship)
Gardner
Tshibola (maybe he'll get better but seen nothing thus far)
McCormack (not looked anywhere near good enough even though he's proved it at this level previously)
Agbonlahor (really hasn't looked even looked a threat at this level)


Just a few off the top of my head.

Bit harsh imho PW

I'd go with completely barmy to be honest.

Someone who scored 21 goals in the Championship a year ago is now League 1 standard?

A centre-back who played a full, comfortable season in the Championship last season and has been one of our best players in the Championship this season?

Right-o Peter.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: peter w on March 06, 2017, 08:23:18 PM
21 goals and now not getting a start at Forest.

baker - as I said maybe a bit harsh.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Pete3206 on March 07, 2017, 01:03:30 AM
He's poor but he's not League 1 standard which many of our team (squad) are.
Many of our squad are: really?

Yes.

Bunn
Elphick
Bacuna
Richards (not played much admittedly but he's poor)
Baker (maybe slightly harsh but lower mid table championship at best)
Amavi (he has played well in parts but for the most of the season i think he's looked terrible. Always just waiting for the rickett that gives the opposition a chance)
Cissokho (out of his depth in the Championship)
Gardner
Tshibola (maybe he'll get better but seen nothing thus far)
McCormack (not looked anywhere near good enough even though he's proved it at this level previously)
Agbonlahor (really hasn't looked even looked a threat at this level)


Just a few off the top of my head.


Nurse!
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Jon Crofts on March 07, 2017, 10:23:17 AM
I always thought Hutton was a moment away from a physical assault on an opposition player when he first arrived from Spuds, a dreadful clogger.  He's improved in that department but he's still completely one dimensional and gets dizzy every time he crosses the halfway line with the ball at his feet. If I was paid what he's paid I'd work hard, keep quiet and take the money too, it's not his fault and he's far from the worst we've seen these past few years but he's still a symptom of the disease.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Gareth on March 07, 2017, 10:55:33 AM
How I've always thought of Hutton - dreadful in defensive third, awful in attacking third & excellent in middle third.  He makes lots of tackles (particularly the crowd pleasing sliding ones) in the middle, runs past opponents at pace in the middle but is clueless on delivering a ball once he has arrived up top & he never seems to be in a position to challenge or block an opponent crossing a ball.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Mister E on March 07, 2017, 02:23:22 PM
He's poor but he's not League 1 standard which many of our team (squad) are.
Many of our squad are: really?

Yes.

Bunn
Elphick
Bacuna
Richards (not played much admittedly but he's poor)
Baker (maybe slightly harsh but lower mid table championship at best)
Amavi (he has played well in parts but for the most of the season i think he's looked terrible. Always just waiting for the rickett that gives the opposition a chance)
Cissokho (out of his depth in the Championship)
Gardner
Tshibola (maybe he'll get better but seen nothing thus far)
McCormack (not looked anywhere near good enough even though he's proved it at this level previously)
Agbonlahor (really hasn't looked even looked a threat at this level)


Just a few off the top of my head.

You've listed good Championship players here: most are far better than League 1 (even, dare I say it, Flabby).

Good? Other than the odd decent performance are you really saying that any of those have been good this season. I mean good?
Good, in the context of the Championship; better in the context of League 1, whcih is the context youi put them in, in your post.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: nick harper on March 07, 2017, 02:50:13 PM
How I've always thought of Hutton - dreadful in defensive third, awful in attacking third & excellent in middle third.  He makes lots of tackles (particularly the crowd pleasing sliding ones) in the middle, runs past opponents at pace in the middle but is clueless on delivering a ball once he has arrived up top & he never seems to be in a position to challenge or block an opponent crossing a ball.

Hutton, like a number of other players in the last few years, has been unfortunate to play in a succession of poor and dysfunctional Villa sides. He is not a bad player and was generally well regarded at Rangers and Spurs. He makes up for fairly limited talent with a fully committed approach despite probably suffering from a lack confidence for long periods of time. No player can like losing on a regular basis.

I suspect he is much more highly regarded in the dressing room than he ever will be from the stands even though I think Villa fans are always much more appreciative of limited players giving 100% than talented palyers who do not.

Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 07, 2017, 06:25:42 PM
He's poor but he's not League 1 standard which many of our team (squad) are.
Many of our squad are: really?

Yes.

Bunn
Elphick
Bacuna
Richards (not played much admittedly but he's poor)
Baker (maybe slightly harsh but lower mid table championship at best)
Amavi (he has played well in parts but for the most of the season i think he's looked terrible. Always just waiting for the rickett that gives the opposition a chance)
Cissokho (out of his depth in the Championship)
Gardner
Tshibola (maybe he'll get better but seen nothing thus far)
McCormack (not looked anywhere near good enough even though he's proved it at this level previously)
Agbonlahor (really hasn't looked even looked a threat at this level)


Just a few off the top of my head.


Spot on from where I'm sat.
Same here, except Baker.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: chrisw1 on March 07, 2017, 07:32:36 PM
Is he injured then?
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Villafirst on March 07, 2017, 10:12:24 PM
Not another injury? He's been one of our best players of late. The absentee list is a joke!
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Chris87 on March 07, 2017, 10:22:35 PM
Knee injury according to Bruce in his post match interview. No indication of seriousness/recovery time though.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on March 09, 2017, 01:16:41 PM

Looking forward to seeing Bree take his chance and show us all what we've been missing at right back personally.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 11, 2017, 06:29:52 PM
I'm no fan of Hutton but fair play to him today. His direct running and energy changed the game in our favour.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: QuintonVilla on March 11, 2017, 09:14:19 PM
The Scottish Cafu.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Chris87 on March 11, 2017, 09:18:03 PM
VP/the away end is going to erupt if he ever scores!
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Ian. on March 11, 2017, 11:09:07 PM
He's fucking ace lately, credit where it's due. Last five games he's been excellent.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: OCD on March 11, 2017, 11:20:44 PM
I would be interested to hear him talk about what's led to his resurgence? For all the criticism the coaching staff were getting during our dreadful run, there must equally now be some good work by the coaches to see changes like his.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Ian. on March 11, 2017, 11:33:55 PM
Yes I agree OCD, he must have some tales. The fella was part of the infamous bomb squad and never complained. Since then he must have witnessed hell of a lot. Maybe one day his autobiography will be very interesting.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on March 11, 2017, 11:58:17 PM
Pleased for him. Never moans, always puts a shift in, and has outlasted multiple managers and replacement right backs.

Has been one of our most important players in this return to form (alongside Jedinak and Kodjia) and deserves a lot of credit for his recent performances.

I also like the look of Bree, so right back is sorted for the next season or two at least.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: LukeJames on March 12, 2017, 12:04:16 AM
He's fucking ace lately, credit where it's due. Last five games he's been excellent.

Just as his contract is expiring.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: tomd2103 on March 12, 2017, 12:34:34 AM
VP/the away end is going to erupt if he ever scores!

Missed a bit of a sitter today!!  Another decent game though and this time on the wing!!
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Sexual Ealing on March 12, 2017, 12:47:03 AM
He's fucking ace lately, credit where it's due. Last five games he's been excellent.

Just as his contract is expiring.

Already been extended, hasn't it?
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: LukeJames on March 12, 2017, 01:17:07 AM
I hope to fuck that it hasn't??
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Sexual Ealing on March 12, 2017, 01:32:50 AM
I hope to fuck that it hasn't??

Ha! I'm pretty sure that Bruce said something recently that indicated that his number of appearances this season have triggered a clause that gives him an extension of a year. That's what's in my head, anyway. Could have been a weird cheese dream, I guess, but I normally only have them about Gary Penrice enjoying a platonic relationship with Andrea Dworkin.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: AV5nobs on March 12, 2017, 03:30:04 AM
He's deserved it - always gives 100%.

Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: brian green on March 12, 2017, 07:29:39 AM
Mine are about Katie Hopkins playing naked leap frog with Alan Titchmarsh.  No cheese required. 

Hutton's star is in the ascent.  Expect to see him managing Rangers one day.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: supertom on March 12, 2017, 08:10:33 AM
I'm quite happy to have Hutton one more year. He's not the best player in the world but his attitude is top drawer. He's a model pro, of which we've not had nearly enough of in recent years. On the pitch since he's been here he's often been expected to be our most creative player and then to be defensively rock solid too. He'll run that touchline all day long, but he's McCafu, not Cafu. It was our failing in seemingly always knocking the ball out to the right and expecting him to beat defenders and deliver quality crosses. That has, for too long, been almost our only attacking tactic. From McLeish, through Lambert through the rest and even in some Bruce games. But that's a lack of any discernable attacking gameplan.
Now at least we've got the inklings of some effective play and certainly Adomah and Kodjia have got a good understanding. We're playing well at the moment, and in turn Hutton is looking better. But, like other players, when you play well as a team, the pressure is off individuals somewhat.

We're in the Championship again next year so there's absolutely no harm in keeping Hutton, even at 33-34. It takes the pressure off Bree a bit to have experienced back up if needed. You always know assuredly that Hutton will work hard when called upon and for better or worse not pull out of anything (that's what she said...).
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: PeterWithe on March 12, 2017, 09:34:14 AM
He's deserved it - always gives 100%.



Gary Penrice?
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on March 12, 2017, 09:49:41 AM
If McCormack had Hutton's attitude we would in an automatic promotion spot by now. He is worth having on the books just to show a good example to other players.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Clampy on March 12, 2017, 10:13:26 AM
He had a decent game again yesterday although it helped that he didn't have to worry too much about being caught out of position and having another defender behind him leaving him to bomb forward. He should have buried that chance he had though.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: UK Redsox on March 12, 2017, 02:37:55 PM
He had a decent game again yesterday although it helped that he didn't have to worry too much about being caught out of position and having another defender behind him leaving him to bomb forward. He should have buried that chance he had though.

McCafu's miss was no worse than Hourihane's
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Clampy on March 12, 2017, 02:43:17 PM
He had a decent game again yesterday although it helped that he didn't have to worry too much about being caught out of position and having another defender behind him leaving him to bomb forward. He should have buried that chance he had though.

McCafu's miss was no worse than Hourihane's

They were both similar were'nt they? Both should have scored really.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: brian green on March 12, 2017, 03:37:21 PM
I get the feeling that Alan Hutton could establish a place in any Villa team right back to 1874.  He would be comfortable playing with Archie Hunter, Howard Spencer,  Joe Bache, Mush Callaghan, Vic Crowe, Tony Morley or Mark Walters.  A player for all seasons.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: adrenachrome on March 16, 2017, 06:30:07 PM
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: PaulTheVillan on March 16, 2017, 08:58:17 PM
Hutton has improved lately. Think he's found his level. He seems like a good egg, never gobbed off, even when in the bomb squad. Can't fault his effort
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Nelly on March 16, 2017, 09:06:47 PM
Interesting that Gabby is still the quickest at the club in his opinion. He would have made a decent X-Men member, would our Gabby.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: brentastonb6 on March 16, 2017, 10:54:16 PM
Interesting that Gabby is still the quickest at the club in his opinion. He would have made a decent X-Men member, would our Gabby.
What ? Did they ask who was fastest to the front of the McDonald's Queue ?
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: adrenachrome on March 16, 2017, 11:00:16 PM
Interesting that Gabby is still the quickest at the club in his opinion. He would have made a decent X-Men member, would our Gabby.

In fact, I got the link from the Brum Mail, and the Gabby angle was used in their headline based on a recent interview with another Villa player who said that Hutton was the quickest in training. 
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: brian green on March 17, 2017, 07:14:01 AM
Andre Green could give AH two yards start over a hundred and Gabby ten.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: KevinGage on March 17, 2017, 10:17:47 AM
Interesting that Gabby is still the quickest at the club in his opinion. He would have made a decent X-Men member, would our Gabby.

Mebbe his pre match meal was laced with laxatives against Brighton and Tottngham then, as he maneuvered like any sudden movement might cause him to shit himself.

One for our much missed Scatologist Glen Peen there.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: paul_e on March 17, 2017, 10:58:50 AM
Andre Green could give AH two yards start over a hundred and Gabby ten.

I agree, and more importantly RHM and Green would both destroy Gabby over the first 10-15 yards which is the bit that's really important for a footballer.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: adrenachrome on March 17, 2017, 11:13:38 AM
Andre Green could give AH two yards start over a hundred and Gabby ten.

I agree, and more importantly RHM and Green would both destroy Gabby over the first 10-15 yards which is the bit that's really important for a footballer.

I too was intrigued by his opinion on speedsters.

He mentions Andre Green along with Jack Grealish as the most skillful members of the squad on the training pitch, so it's not as though the former is not on his radar. Maybe The Hutt's  speed radar has been hacked by The Russians.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: markeeeebeeee2005 on March 17, 2017, 11:22:25 AM
Hutton has improved lately. Think he's found his level. He seems like a good egg, never gobbed off, even when in the bomb squad. Can't fault his effort

Or his contract was running out?
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: markeeeebeeee2005 on March 17, 2017, 11:31:11 AM
I find it irritating that Micah is best dressed, best jokes , best music and and all that other shit, but he's offered nothing on the pitch. It's not Butlins. He's the most expensive red coat in history.

Absolute clown.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: adrenachrome on March 17, 2017, 11:38:13 AM
I find it irritating that Micah is best dressed, best jokes , best music and and all that other shit, but he's offered nothing on the pitch. It's not Butlins. He's the most expensive red coat in history.

Absolute clown.

He's great about the place.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: PaulTheVillan on March 17, 2017, 01:28:11 PM
Interesting that Gabby is still the quickest at the club in his opinion. He would have made a decent X-Men member, would our Gabby.
Mentally the slowest
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: PeterWithe on March 18, 2017, 08:10:45 AM
I find it irritating that Micah is best dressed, best jokes , best music and and all that other shit, but he's offered nothing on the pitch. It's not Butlins. He's the most expensive red coat in history.

A genuine snort at that, good stuff.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: QuintonVilla on March 18, 2017, 08:12:52 AM
I want Hutton to score today. The away end with 4700 of us would explode and go absolutely mental.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: The Man With A Stick on March 18, 2017, 09:05:32 AM
I find it irritating that Micah is best dressed, best jokes , best music and and all that other shit, but he's offered nothing on the pitch. It's not Butlins. He's the most expensive red coat in history.

Absolute clown.

He's great about the place.

Yes, it's refreshing to know that we're essentially paying £50k (or whatever it is) per week for a fucking harlequin.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: wittonwarrior on March 18, 2017, 05:44:44 PM
The Scottish Cafu
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Richard on March 19, 2017, 09:56:31 AM
Thought he looked lost at right midfield yesterday and much better when moved back with Albert in front of him.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: UK Redsox on March 19, 2017, 10:06:40 AM
The four full backs thing doesn't work for me.

Due to injuries, Amavi on the left is the only option but he's reluctant to take on the opposition full back

On the right, it looked much better when Bree went off and Albert went ahead of McCafu
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: AV82EC on March 19, 2017, 04:43:37 PM
The four full backs thing doesn't work for me.

Due to injuries, Amavi on the left is the only option but he's reluctant to take on the opposition full back

On the right, it looked much better when Bree went off and Albert went ahead of McCafu

Amavi was better in the second half as he had some good runs forward and was allowed to press onto Wigans right centre back.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: four fornicholl on November 01, 2017, 10:07:02 PM
Alan Hutton, you're a credit to my club. Well done son.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: West Derby Villan on November 01, 2017, 10:07:52 PM
Alan Hutton, you're a credit to my club. Well done son.

Seconded
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Risso on November 01, 2017, 10:08:39 PM
Superb tonight.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on November 01, 2017, 10:11:12 PM
Alan Hutton, you're a credit to my club. Well done son.

Seconded

Amazingly.. thirded. Fair play to the man.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 01, 2017, 10:11:33 PM
Not a fan at all, but he’s really been excellent at LB.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 01, 2017, 10:13:15 PM
Hands up who would ever have thought that our best left back for at least 5 or 6 years looks like being Alan Hutton.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Nastylee on November 01, 2017, 10:24:27 PM
Some great forward runs tonight. Full of pace and energy.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: aj2k77 on November 01, 2017, 10:26:44 PM
The enigma, Alan Hutton, we should have seen it coming. The only player ever to go from being bomb squaded to a new contract and back in the team in the course of a couple of weeks? We should have known all along he'd be a good leftie.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: avfcpg on November 01, 2017, 10:29:58 PM
The Scottish Cafu indeed. If I were Preston boss I'd be insisting he was drugs tested after the game...some of those runs...hat off to you my man.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: QuintonVilla on November 01, 2017, 10:41:48 PM
The right back who can't kick a ball with his left foot but actually looks better at left back. I love the bloke.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 01, 2017, 11:13:34 PM
Fair play to him, not been a fan of him for most of his time at the club but he's been excellent at left back and is deservedly keeping Taylor on the bench.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: dave shelley on November 02, 2017, 09:17:01 AM
I've always been a supporter of Hutton, not for his footballing attributes but his all round attitude and professionalism.  Glad to see he's improved and is holding his place on merit.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on November 02, 2017, 09:19:42 AM
My current favourite Villa player. Always puts in a shift. Has ever moaned even when bomb squaded. Often our best player when little to smile about at the Villa. And now is in the form of his life at left back.

Well dome Allan.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: muelyvilla82 on November 02, 2017, 09:34:21 AM
Alan Hutton was great last night, great professional !
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: supertom on November 02, 2017, 09:45:48 AM
After his first season under McLeish, and indeed Bomb SQ1, who would have thought he'd still be at the club 6 years later. That's all down to a first rate attitude. I don't see him leaving any time soon either.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on November 02, 2017, 09:49:13 AM
Whoever it was on the match thread came up with this classic when comparing him to Philip Lahm at left back.  He is Hutton dressed as Lahm.  I thought that was funny.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: supertom on November 02, 2017, 09:52:51 AM
Whoever it was on the match thread came up with this classic when comparing him to Philip Lahm at left back.  He is Hutton dressed as Lahm.  I thought that was funny.
That should be post of the year.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: dave.woodhall on November 02, 2017, 09:59:44 AM
Whoever it was on the match thread came up with this classic when comparing him to Philip Lahm at left back.  He is Hutton dressed as Lahm.  I thought that was funny.
That should be post of the year.

It was. In 2011.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: papa lazarou on November 02, 2017, 10:29:28 AM
Whoever it was on the match thread came up with this classic when comparing him to Philip Lahm at left back.  He is Hutton dressed as Lahm.  I thought that was funny.
That should be post of the year.

It was. In 2011.
Larf
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: avfcpg on November 02, 2017, 10:41:09 AM
Whoever it was on the match thread came up with this classic when comparing him to Philip Lahm at left back.  He is Hutton dressed as Lahm.  I thought that was funny.
That should be post of the year.

It was. In 2011.
Snigger...
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: darren woolley on November 02, 2017, 11:40:48 AM
He's played really well covering left back for Taylor I love his commitment and passion.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Clark W Griswold on November 02, 2017, 11:46:40 AM
I've never disliked him and always thought his attitude is great. Even back when we first signed him. I have questioned whether we've needed an upgrade a few times along the way but never doubted his commitment. Since we've been in the championship he's been a really solid member of the squad.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 02, 2017, 12:36:30 PM
😂😂😂😂😂😂
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 02, 2017, 12:36:57 PM
Sorry, I'm still laughing at that "Hutton dressed as Lahm" zinger.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: supertom on November 02, 2017, 04:40:54 PM
Whoever it was on the match thread came up with this classic when comparing him to Philip Lahm at left back.  He is Hutton dressed as Lahm.  I thought that was funny.
That should be post of the year.

It was. In 2011.
Hutton Dressed As Lamb II: Judgement Day
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Villa75 on November 02, 2017, 06:21:34 PM
I've never disliked him and always thought his attitude is great. Even back when we first signed him. I have questioned whether we've needed an upgrade a few times along the way but never doubted his commitment. Since we've been in the championship he's been a really solid member of the squad.

Pretty much this, for me.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 30, 2018, 12:44:48 PM
Has been informed he’ll be released once his contract expires this summer
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: chrisw1 on January 30, 2018, 12:48:09 PM
Has been informed he’ll be released once his contract expires this summer
Really?
What a way to motivate an important player for us.
I'd be waiting to see what league we're in next season before releasing one of our better performers of the last few years.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Diablo on January 30, 2018, 12:51:50 PM
Has been informed he’ll be released once his contract expires this summer
I love Hutton's attitude, I hope he manages to maintain his form and stay focussed with this news.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 30, 2018, 01:00:56 PM
I don’t think motivation will be an issue. He’s 33 and he’ll be in the shop window looking for a new contract next season. He’s done very well at Championship level and I’m sure he could still play for a team at that level.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Des Little on January 30, 2018, 01:03:10 PM
I don’t think motivation will be an issue. He’s 33 and he’ll be in the shop window looking for a new contract next season. He’s done very well at Championship level and I’m sure he could still play for a team at that level.

...probably us, in a Brad Guzan-style grab back deal
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: mattjpa on January 30, 2018, 01:03:57 PM
I would hope that if we dont get promoted, the first thing we do is offer him another contract.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: dave shelley on January 30, 2018, 01:04:38 PM
One would hope that Agbonlahor will be receiving news of a similar nature.  *


* Is his contract up at the same time or does he have another year sucking on the voluptuous tit that is Aston Villa?
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: garyshawsknee on January 30, 2018, 01:09:17 PM
He's been excellent this season, but if we go up he won't be good enough and if we don't, were not exactly short for this league. Could be the making of Bree.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: TheMalandro on January 30, 2018, 01:16:30 PM
ALAN HUTTON
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: wittonwarrior on January 30, 2018, 01:28:56 PM
Quite clearly not good enough for the premiership- he wasn’t last time round but dislike the way this is coming out when we have two scroungers Richards and fat as fuck taking our money   A great villa club  man and legend
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Clampy on January 30, 2018, 01:37:16 PM
It's a pity we found out so late that he's better at left back than in his normal position. Never rated him that much but love his attitude. One or two players down there could learn a lot from him.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Jon Crofts on January 30, 2018, 01:40:07 PM
Always felt he was moments from a Captain, can't fault his attitude to hard work though. He'll end up at the Yam Yams when they drop.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: dave.woodhall on January 30, 2018, 03:40:13 PM
Always felt he was moments from a Captain, can't fault his attitude to hard work though. He'll end up at the Yam Yams when they drop.

I doubt that somehow.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Mister E on January 30, 2018, 03:46:31 PM
Always felt he was moments from a Captain, can't fault his attitude to hard work though. He'll end up at the Yam Yams when they drop.
The Yams Yams are going up.
The Bitters might be on their way down, however.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: VinnieChase84 on January 30, 2018, 04:29:09 PM
Surprised news of this is being communicated now! Should have waited till seasons end imo
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 30, 2018, 04:35:21 PM
Surprised news of this is being communicated now! Should have waited till seasons end imo

I assume he’s been notified and given time for his agent to start talking to clubs and find him a new deal.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 30, 2018, 05:10:19 PM
I hope we get promoted and give him wonderful send off. He bloody deserves it.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Jon Crofts on January 30, 2018, 06:07:22 PM
Always felt he was moments from a Captain, can't fault his attitude to hard work though. He'll end up at the Yam Yams when they drop.

I doubt that somehow.

Cocking Nora, I was talking about the dog heads at work, I blame the medication.  Nurse!
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: eamonn on January 30, 2018, 07:25:10 PM
If he's been told he doesn't have a future here after the summer why hasn't Gabby whose deal will also be up?
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: brontebilly on January 30, 2018, 07:26:03 PM
Can understand not offering him a 2 year deal but thought he deserved an extra year. Keeps himself in good nick and a more than capable performer at this level.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: achilles on January 30, 2018, 07:47:33 PM
One can only assume that it is his wages that are the problem as he is easily our best left back at the club and could do a job again if we are left in the championship.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: sid1964 on January 31, 2018, 06:52:03 AM
Thank the lord the club has seen good sense not too offer him a new contract

When we are promoted we will need far better players than Hutton at the back, lets hope that the likes of Gabby are also having the same conversation with the club!
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: mr underhill on January 31, 2018, 07:42:46 AM
much as Hutton brings some comic relief to VP at times, not offering him a new contract is a very wise decision.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 31, 2018, 09:24:04 AM
Slaphead wigs and Scotland flags all round at Millwall away? Anybody?
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Clark W Griswold on January 31, 2018, 09:27:43 AM
I really like Hutton, he's always given his all and has actually been pretty damn good at this level. Probably will need an upgrade ability wise if we go up but there are a few other positions you'd say that about also.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Oscar Arce on January 31, 2018, 10:16:31 AM
The timing of this is very poor.
The guy's attitude and commitment has been superb, putting the likes of Richards and Flabby to shame, and becoming one of my favourite players of recent times.
I hope we can go up now and give him the great send off he deserves...the Scottish Cafu.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Chris Smith on January 31, 2018, 10:27:11 AM
The timing of this is very poor.
The guy's attitude and commitment has been superb, putting the likes of Richards and Flabby to shame, and becoming one of my favourite players of recent times.
I hope we can go up now and give him the great send off he deserves...the Scottish Cafu.

I doubt it has come as any surprise to him, didn’t he take up the extra year option on his contract in the summer? His attitude and application have been exemplary but he is probably at a stage where he can only get the stability of a longer term deal elsewhere.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Clark W Griswold on January 31, 2018, 11:19:05 AM
He's certainly one of my favourites of recent years, he reminds me of a footballer from a time when I started attending when footballers were more human and, well, likeable.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: darren woolley on January 31, 2018, 11:38:21 AM
I would give him a 12 month deal because he's been fantastic for us and never let us down surely he deserves that at the very least instead of giving him nothing and telling him he isn't getting a new contract in the summer.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Risso on January 31, 2018, 11:42:29 AM
Surely the thing to do would have been to tell everybody that all decisions are on hold pending whether promotion is achieved or not?  I agree that we probably need better, but as a useful squad member who can cover both full back positions I'd probably have given him a year's extension.  He's seen off a fair number of right and left backs in the last couple of years, including De Laet, Bree and Taylor.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: dave.woodhall on January 31, 2018, 11:43:55 AM
Maybe he's happy with a free - a big signing-on fee, decent wages and he'll be playing regularly so the season after that he can get a better deal than if he'd been in our reserves.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 31, 2018, 11:46:22 AM
As much as I love him there's no space for sentimentality in the Premier League. Should we go up, as with Bruce, shake their hand, thank them very much and wish them all the best in the future.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: paul_e on January 31, 2018, 01:02:04 PM
I'm not sure on the 'never let us down' bit.  He's done well in the last 12 months but even this time last year he was looking poor and we wanted to see him replaced, most people were very happy with RDL and Bree arriving so he could be shifted on and it's only really since he moved to left back that he put in consistently decent performances.

Good attitude, seems like a decent bloke but he's 33 and has only really given us 1 decent season out of 7 with the club, letting him go is the right decision.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 31, 2018, 01:33:22 PM
I think Hutton was one of better and more consistent players last season. Not saying much I know but given the squad we have/had, he's done himself and us proud. I just want him to score before he leaves.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Clampy on January 31, 2018, 01:37:54 PM
I think Hutton was one of better and more consistent players last season. Not saying much I know but given the squad we have/had, he's done himself and us proud. I just want him to score before he leaves.

He has got one to his name but yes, another one before the end of the season would be nice.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: leylandalbion on January 31, 2018, 01:43:20 PM
Against SHA would be particularly pleasing. The holte would erupt
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 31, 2018, 01:44:53 PM
I think Hutton was one of better and more consistent players last season. Not saying much I know but given the squad we have/had, he's done himself and us proud. I just want him to score before he leaves.

He has got one to his name but yes, another one before the end of the season would be nice.

It won't be nice it will be mental. That daisy cutter last night was probably our best effort of the game before Snodgrass stole the headlines.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: chrisw1 on January 31, 2018, 01:56:51 PM
I'm not sure on the 'never let us down' bit.  He's done well in the last 12 months but even this time last year he was looking poor and we wanted to see him replaced, most people were very happy with RDL and Bree arriving so he could be shifted on and it's only really since he moved to left back that he put in consistently decent performances.

Good attitude, seems like a decent bloke but he's 33 and has only really given us 1 decent season out of 7 with the club, letting him go is the right decision.
1 out of 7 is unfair.  He's been one of our better players in a good few seasons, albeit I accept that bar has been incredibly low at times.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Pat McMahon on January 31, 2018, 01:59:22 PM
Surely the thing to do would have been to tell everybody that all decisions are on hold pending whether promotion is achieved or not?  I agree that we probably need better, but as a useful squad member who can cover both full back positions I'd probably have given him a year's extension.  He's seen off a fair number of right and left backs in the last couple of years, including De Laet, Bree and Taylor.

That would have been my take too. Decisions on ice until May.

Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: paul_e on January 31, 2018, 02:37:32 PM
I'm not sure on the 'never let us down' bit.  He's done well in the last 12 months but even this time last year he was looking poor and we wanted to see him replaced, most people were very happy with RDL and Bree arriving so he could be shifted on and it's only really since he moved to left back that he put in consistently decent performances.

Good attitude, seems like a decent bloke but he's 33 and has only really given us 1 decent season out of 7 with the club, letting him go is the right decision.
1 out of 7 is unfair.  He's been one of our better players in a good few seasons, albeit I accept that bar has been incredibly low at times.

Which seasons?  He was mostly terrible under McLeish, skipped 2 seasons completely under Lambert and then got recalled and was poor.  In our relegation season he got away with being poor because he was marginally less shit than Richards and Lescott and then last season it was only really around the January that he started playing ok.  He's had a good season this year and finished last season pretty well but before that we'd had 5 1/2 years of him trying to cripple people, getting caught out up field after giving the ball away in a decent crossing position and him being loaned out because we really wanted him to leave.  We shouldn't let the last 12 months mask any of that and give him a 3rd contract.  He gets respect from me because he's worked his tits off and his attitude has been superb since we got relegated and he deserves thanks for his part in this season (if we do get promoted) but a new deal would be a poor decision.  33/34 year olds should only have their contracts renewed if they're indispensable to the team and I don't think that's the case with him, he's not the best right back in the squad and he's definitely not a premier league standard left back.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: mr underhill on January 31, 2018, 02:59:15 PM
agreed - like many on here Hutton is a bit of a guilty pleasure of mine  but he really doesn't deserve a contract extension.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 31, 2018, 06:19:36 PM
I think his performances have earned an extra year. Hope he gets a good pay day wherever he turns up and good luck to him.

Unless he ends up at Sevco or Small Heath.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: West Derby Villan on January 31, 2018, 06:50:52 PM
One of the few who could hold his head up at the end of the relegation season. Always gives his all. I don't understand why this news broken now, what was the point.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on January 31, 2018, 07:23:38 PM


If we go up he's 100% not good enough.
If we stay down his wages are too big a drain on the club.

I know he's been pretty decent at left back in recent times, but he's been at the club for 7 years (i think) and whatever way you look at it he's been woefully shit for almost the entire time whilst earning god knows how much for it.

Thanks for the efforts Alan, but it's time to move on.

Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 31, 2018, 07:30:12 PM
Quite surprised by this.

Thought he might've gone last season but even for someone who's criticised him a bit and couldn't understand the adulation from the Holte End he's been fantastic since he moved to left back.

Solid defending and no more awful crosses.

What it does indicate is a more ruthless approach to squad recruitment and retention if we get promoted e.g. not just giving players contracts for the sake of it.

It was a bit bit bizarre Hutton actually got a new three year deal when he came back and played a few games after being so long in exile.

I wouldn't worry about the motiviation issue. I imagine he loves the support he gets from the crowd particularly in home games so imagine he'll be doing his best to get us up as a send off.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Dave P on January 31, 2018, 07:41:45 PM


If we go up he's 100% not good enough.
If we stay down his wages are too big a drain on the club.

I know he's been pretty decent at left back in recent times, but he's been at the club for 7 years (i think) and whatever way you look at it he's been woefully shit for almost the entire time whilst earning god knows how much for it.

Thanks for the efforts Alan, but it's time to move on.



Agree with all of this but the timing seems strange. I can only think the club were maybe hoping someone would take advantage today with a cheeky £500k bid or something?
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: sickbeggar on January 31, 2018, 08:40:21 PM
Dunno. would have been useful as cover in the premier. if we don't go up less so. As others have said, seems the timing of this announcement is a bit off to me. There's quite a few players who hopefully will not be getting their contract renewed so why single him out when he's at least contributing?
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: LeeB on January 31, 2018, 10:46:53 PM
Pulis loves him, bet he ends up at Boro.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 31, 2018, 10:49:48 PM
Maybe when Hutton and the club spoke he decided he wanted it to be made public?
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Deano's Mullet on January 31, 2018, 10:53:05 PM



The one and only so far
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Louzie0 on January 31, 2018, 10:55:07 PM
Nooooo.

Not the Scottish Cafu.


We can’t let him go and keep players who don’t do anything much like Micah or Gabby.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: TonyD on January 31, 2018, 11:16:47 PM
Is he going?  Hope not.   Never our  best player but the most committed which is just as valuable.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: brentastonb6 on January 31, 2018, 11:18:47 PM
Nooooo.

Not the Scottish Cafu.


We can’t let him go and keep players who don’t do anything much like Micah or Gabby.
Unfortunately Micah has a contract to fall back on which we can’t get out of and isn’t Gabby out of contract at the end of the season too ?
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on February 01, 2018, 12:53:24 AM
Hutton is my current favourite Villa player, I would rather we kept him another season or two. He is easily our best fullback and always puts in a shift. I will be sad to see him go.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: sid1964 on February 01, 2018, 06:51:37 AM
I will miss the way he takes a throw in, and occasionally runs 20 yards forward and stops and passes the ball 2 yards (to occasionally one of our players)

He is best going to Boro on his 2 year deal, Pullis will love him!

Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Legion on February 01, 2018, 08:03:46 AM
I'd take him over Richards or Agbonlahor any day of the week.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: CT on February 01, 2018, 08:23:29 AM
I'd take him over Richards or Agbonlahor any day of the week.

Do those two even bother turning up anymore.

Apologies - I forget Gabby is due for his 5 monthly wheel out for the SHA game.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Gareth on February 01, 2018, 08:32:46 AM
Can’t fault his effort & he has made that left back role his own mainly due to the ineptitude of Taylor giving him the chance but the reality is if we are in the Prem he is nowhere near good enough & if we are in the Championship we need something different playing there.

Always said with Hutton he is world class in the middle third of the pitch but the attacking third his output is pants and the defensive third is at best adequate.

Sure the conversations will have been had with all those out of contract and Terry aside I’m sure they will all have been told they will be released, it’s courtesy to give them maximum time to find a new club and the drip feeding of the info on Hutton smacks very much of an agent starting to hawk his client.

What I will say for Hutton is I don’t expect this to affect his performances, he strikes me as the type who will be determined to show the club it’s a mistake.

I’m also sure if we go up the club will reach an agreement with Richards to terminate his deal, if we stay in this league I’m equally sure he will still be here this time next year.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: tomd2103 on February 01, 2018, 09:04:18 AM
Can’t fault his effort & he has made that left back role his own mainly due to the ineptitude of Taylor giving him the chance but the reality is if we are in the Prem he is nowhere near good enough & if we are in the Championship we need something different playing there.


Cheaper as well I would have thought.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Gareth on February 01, 2018, 12:04:58 PM
Can’t fault his effort & he has made that left back role his own mainly due to the ineptitude of Taylor giving him the chance but the reality is if we are in the Prem he is nowhere near good enough & if we are in the Championship we need something different playing there.


Cheaper as well I would have thought.

Exactly
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Hairbandinho on February 01, 2018, 12:09:58 PM
If we don't go up surely Bree needs to step up and perform to replace Hutton.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: paul_e on February 01, 2018, 12:24:30 PM
If we go up I'd like to see us try to get Sessegnon from Fulham as the replacement at left back.  He looks a fantastic prospect but wouldn't be cheap.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Chris Jameson on February 01, 2018, 12:42:55 PM
If we go up I'd like to see us try to get Sessegnon from Fulham as the replacement at left back.  He looks a fantastic prospect but wouldn't be cheap.

Sessegnon will be heading for a top 6 side or one of the big sides in Europe, he isn't going to be joining Villa.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: paul_e on February 01, 2018, 12:54:32 PM
If we go up I'd like to see us try to get Sessegnon from Fulham as the replacement at left back.  He looks a fantastic prospect but wouldn't be cheap.

Sessegnon will be heading for a top 6 side or one of the big sides in Europe, he isn't going to be joining Villa.

I guess it depends, he's only 17 still so he could easily get in a couple of years at a club like Villa (if we're promoted) and prove that he can do it at that level rather than signing for a man city and struggling to make the team for 2-3 years.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: supertom on February 01, 2018, 05:00:29 PM
Hutton is a personal favourite of mine. Love his attitude and work ethic and I think in the end he's proved good value. He was treated ridiculously by Lambert and Lerner in their infinite wisdom (before they came back with their tails between their legs). Hutton just got on with it. He's been one of our most consistent performers since. What he may lack in skill sometimes, he makes up for in determination. Yes, like everyone, the sight of him bombing down the line to a point is majestic, up until that moment he shanks a cross into row Z, but it's not his fault that for several years, under an array of feck brained managers, somehow it was deemed that Hutton was our main creative outlet. Everything for a period under several managers seemed to involve giving it to Hutton on the right and hoping he would create something because we'd play without width, or we'd be sorely lacking in decent wide men. He might be the Scottish Cafu but he's not THE Cafu. But he kept on plugging away.

I for one would like to see him given another extension but at Huttons age, he's probably still got a good 2-3 year Championship contract in him and could play week in week out. Whilst he's one of my favourite current players, IF we go up I don't think it's in our interest to offer him more than a single year and he'll have no playing assurances. If that's not enough security, I fully get that. He has given us a lot too, so if we're deciding against even offering him a deal that would disappoint me. If there was a brief discussion and he told the board he'd only consider a two month, that's different. At the end of the day, he's 34 in September. Is he going to feature much when we're in the Premiership? I love the guy but we need better and we'll need to dip into the window for a new right back.

By the same token, if we don't go up it's a catch 22. He'd be more than useful but we'll be desperate to balance the books. Either he'd have to accept a significantly reduced wage, or look to a club with more wages to offer him at 2nd tier level.

I'd love him to stay a bit longer, but on his age, current wages and the reality of our financial situation, it's probably for the best he goes. I'll be a little sad when the squad doesn't show his name next season though, I must admit.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on February 01, 2018, 05:04:41 PM
If we don't go up surely Bree needs to step up and perform to replace Hutton.

at left back ?
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: olaftab on February 01, 2018, 06:56:34 PM
What’s happened to Ron Manager who started this thread anyone knows?
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Drummond on February 02, 2018, 02:34:59 PM
He tries hard and has found his level in the Championship. In the top division he was reckless, both in his tackling and positioning. So many times our opponents would get in behind us because he'd charged on leaving us exposed. We need to progress, he's not the sort of player to give us that.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: KevinGage on February 02, 2018, 03:03:18 PM
Won't be heartbroken to see him depart at the end of the season (though he does seem to have found a new lease of life at leftback).

But the club could have played it a bit smarter and said those sort of deals for the older lot will be looked at when we know what division we are operating in next year.

Give him something to aim for, even if the decision has been made.  He's a reliable enough old pro, so I don't think he will throw a strop or start phoning it in between now and the end of the season.  But that's always the chance you take when you announce something like this.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: mr underhill on February 02, 2018, 04:29:18 PM
I can't think of many luckier footballers than Alan Hutton - that contract extension after a a three game purple patch after years in the wilderness was the stuff of legend.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: AV82EC on February 02, 2018, 04:50:34 PM
I think he’s shit tbh but a whole hearted guy who you’ll always get 100% from. Fine for now but if we go up I’d rather try and get someone a lot better.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 02, 2018, 05:25:19 PM
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Steve Bruce has confirmed Aston Villa are NOT in a position to offer Alan Hutton a new contract due to their ongoing battle with Financial Fair Play.

Hutton, 33, has been in excellent form for Villa this season and Bruce has selected him from the start in 16 of the last 18 Championship fixtures.

The Scottish defender is out of contract at the end of the season and recently approached the manager to discuss the possibility of a renewal only to be told an extension was off the table.

Despite Hutton’s disappointment, Bruce insists it’s ‘not the end of the world’ for the defender and expects plenty of suitors. The Villa manager also refused to rule out a u-turn - but that depends on what division Villa are in come the end of the campaign.

“I think I said to Alan, I had to be honest with him to say, ‘Look, at this position where we are we’re not in a position to offer anybody a new contract’,” Bruce told Birmingham Mail columnist Tom Ross.

“The way the situation with the club is in finances and Financial Fair Play and I think we all need to know where we are, whether we’re in the Championship or we’re in the Premier League - if we’re in the Championship we’ll have to cut, it’s as straightforward as that.

“I’ve spoken to the people above me and we’re not in a position to offer anybody a new contract just yet. Alan Hutton has been in a situation where I’ve been here for 15 months and he’s done terrifically well. But we’ll have to look after the club and sometimes my job is to look after the club too.

“Let’s see where we are and see what happens. It’s not the end of the world for Alan Hutton because I’ve no doubt there will be takers from what we’re seeing at the moment. For a 33-year-old, it’s quite remarkable his fitness levels and what he trains like every day.

“He knows what I think of him but at this situation in time we’re not in a position to go forward with any of them.”

Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: LeeB on February 02, 2018, 05:53:29 PM
And that, my friends is the stark reality of this season.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 02, 2018, 06:26:38 PM
Correct Lee and why we absolutely must get promoted. And it’s entirely possible if promotion is secured say in April or early May they could offer him a new deal at that point. If he hasn’t signed a pre-contract with someone else. I like him and he’d be good cover in the PL but he’s not a starter at that level.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: West Derby Villan on February 02, 2018, 06:29:03 PM
So Gabby doesn't get one then ?
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: clash city rocker on February 02, 2018, 07:03:54 PM
I'm sure I saw somewhere that of the top 7 players in the championship wages wise villa have 5 of them.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: sickbeggar on February 02, 2018, 08:28:03 PM
I'm sure I saw somewhere that of the top 7 players in the championship wages wise villa have 5 of them.
. Now

Well as i said in another thread, the season we went down we spent 110m on wages, so basically 66k a week on 32 players. Now  if that's the average they were on and others were on less, then what were the top earners on???!


Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: tomd2103 on February 02, 2018, 08:37:02 PM
And that, my friends is the stark reality of this season.

It is, but it is also a bit different to earlier reports suggesting he was getting released when his contract expired.  That makes it sounds like a decision is yet to be made.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: PeterWithe on February 03, 2018, 05:30:14 AM
My favourite player at the club too.

It really is shit or bust this season isn’t it, there is going to be a major overhaul of the squad in the summer whatever happens.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Gregorys Boy on February 03, 2018, 12:38:13 PM
He can stay for now, but if we get promotion then yeah he should be one of the first to be shipped out in the summer.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on February 03, 2018, 02:26:04 PM
So Gabby doesn't get one then ?

Fucking well hope not!

I hope we give Terry another year though, assuming he will want to play in the top division if we get up. If we don't get up we should still try although I guess he will be one of the highest earners.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: sickbeggar on February 04, 2018, 12:07:13 AM
Well i guess that statement on Hutton is fair enough, and it's good to see they've done the same for Gabby

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Steve Bruce has confirmed Aston Villa are NOT in a position to offer Gabby Agbonlahor a new contract due to his ongoing battle with the new owners policy of only giving out contracts to footballers.

Agbonlahor, 31, has been in excellent form in the gym and on social media this season and Bruce has selected him to sit next to the emergency exit doors on the coach for 5 out of the last 10 away Championship fixtures.

The England forward is out of contract at the end of the season and recently approached the manager to discuss the possibility of a renewal only to be told that "For the last time you don't work here, this is a pub mate', and 'just go outside, first left at the roundabout and walk up the road and you can't miss it. It's the big stadium thingy on the right"

Despite Gabby'’s disappointment, Bruce insists it’s ‘not the end of the world’ for the attacker but expects plenty of suitors if it was doomsday. The Villa manager also refused to rule out a u-turn - but that depends on 'some sort of natural or man-made disaster wiping out the entire first team, reserves, youth team and possibly all human life'.

“I think I said to Gabby and I have to be honest with you, i thought he did the laundry, but i did say ‘Look, at this position where we are, we’re not in a position to offer anybody a new contract.  He's not being singled out. If Emile Heskey walked in today i'd tell him the same” Bruce told punchable  Birmingham Mail columnist Tom Ross.

“The way the situation with the club is in finances and Financial Fair Play, I think we all need to know where we are. Whether we’re in the Championship or we’re in the Premier League, Randy Lerner is not coming back and i can't see us ever having a financial fuckwitt giving out contracts like that in charge again".

“I’ve spoken to the people above me about Gabby and we’re not in a position to offer anybody a new contract just yet, but the door is not closed. Well they said something about not slamming the door anyway. Gabby has been in a situation where I’ve been here for 15 months and he’s done terrifically well explaining to the lads where the emergency exits are on the coach and how to smash the windows in the event of a crash. But Richards is my first choice for that role and Gabby knows this".

“Let’s see where we are and see what happens. It’s not the end of the world for Gabby because I’ve no doubt there will be takers from what we’re seeing at the moment in North Korea. If World War 3 kicks off and people are dying all over the place then things could change in a split second .For a 31-year-old given his lifestyle, it’s quite remarkable he can still stand and walk into the dressing room"

“He knows what I think of him but that's never stopped him.”
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Diablo on February 21, 2018, 10:27:31 AM
Thought he deserved a mention last night as at least he kept driving forward trying to make something happen (one of such surges leading to the soft penalty being awarded). Fair play to him. Not the most gifted of players but even though he's being played out of position, his future is up in the air, he applies himself and doesn't go missing.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Ads on February 21, 2018, 10:37:04 AM
That shot was a bit of a rocket. A foot to the left and it was going to break the back of the net.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: AsTallAsLions on February 21, 2018, 10:58:09 AM
He deserves massive credit for an excellent attitude and professionalism despite the total lack of professionalism of one or two managers in their attitudes towards him over the years, and this latest situation which really is just unfortunate for all. He's always stood up and been counted as one of the only players to give a shit when we've had poor spells, and his dedication to the Villa should not go unnoticed or unrewarded. If only the whole team approached every game the way he does, we'd have no issues going back up.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: SoccerHQ on February 21, 2018, 11:46:00 AM
Unlucky not to score.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Steve67 on February 21, 2018, 11:52:40 AM
If we are still in this division come next year and we dont offer him a new contract, we are weaker for it with Taylor likely to step in.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Ad@m on February 21, 2018, 12:06:49 PM
That shot was a bit of a rocket. A foot to the left and it was going to break the back of the net.

That shot had shades of Collymore against Atletico back in the day.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Des Little on February 21, 2018, 12:11:25 PM
If that shot had gone in last night, there would be a thread on here today asking for donations towards a statue for him at VP.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Damo70 on February 21, 2018, 12:33:03 PM
He deserves massive credit for an excellent attitude and professionalism despite the total lack of professionalism of one or two managers in their attitudes towards him over the years, and this latest situation which really is just unfortunate for all. He's always stood up and been counted as one of the only players to give a shit when we've had poor spells, and his dedication to the Villa should not go unnoticed or unrewarded. If only the whole team approached every game the way he does, we'd have no issues going back up.

Spot on. I was going to post something similar. Possibly the only player who could hold his head up high regarding his performances the year we went down.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: purpletrousers on February 21, 2018, 12:41:39 PM
He deserves massive credit for an excellent attitude and professionalism despite the total lack of professionalism of one or two managers in their attitudes towards him over the years, and this latest situation which really is just unfortunate for all. He's always stood up and been counted as one of the only players to give a shit when we've had poor spells, and his dedication to the Villa should not go unnoticed or unrewarded. If only the whole team approached every game the way he does, we'd have no issues going back up.

Spot on. I was going to post something similar. Possibly the only player who could hold his head up high regarding his performances the year we went down.

Which given how we as a club binned him off for so long, speaks volumes of his personality and lack of resentment. It was nice to hear the Scottish Cafu chant while taking my wife to her first game in Europe on Saturday.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: dave shelley on February 21, 2018, 12:47:32 PM
He deserves massive credit for an excellent attitude and professionalism despite the total lack of professionalism of one or two managers in their attitudes towards him over the years, and this latest situation which really is just unfortunate for all. He's always stood up and been counted as one of the only players to give a shit when we've had poor spells, and his dedication to the Villa should not go unnoticed or unrewarded. If only the whole team approached every game the way he does, we'd have no issues going back up.

Fully agree.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on February 21, 2018, 08:00:36 PM
He deserves massive credit for an excellent attitude and professionalism despite the total lack of professionalism of one or two managers in their attitudes towards him over the years, and this latest situation which really is just unfortunate for all. He's always stood up and been counted as one of the only players to give a shit when we've had poor spells, and his dedication to the Villa should not go unnoticed or unrewarded. If only the whole team approached every game the way he does, we'd have no issues going back up.

Fully agree.
Seconded - he was one of only a couple of players who came out with any credit last night -  he is limited skill wise but he always puts in a shift - I wish we had someone like that in the centre of midfield - ie a tenacious hard working Des Bremner/ James Milner type player
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on February 21, 2018, 08:28:48 PM
There is one small positive about him not being offered a new contract.  Surely it means Gabriel won’t be getting a new one either.  Such a contrast in professionalism.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Exeter 77 on March 21, 2018, 09:13:46 AM
According to the OS Hutton is back in full training.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: amfy on March 21, 2018, 09:33:46 AM
We miss him. The back up in his position isn't bad by any means, but his rampaging runs give defences something else to think about and make it less easy to mark the attacking midfielders out of the game. We know his runs rarely have any end product, but defences still can't just leave him to run riot. Strangely, he seems to often win a free kick now as well, although a foul on Hutton always seems an unlikely thing to me!
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: amfy on March 21, 2018, 09:35:17 AM
....and I was going to say - if he is out of contract and too expensive, can't we just offer him a less expensive contract? It's not like anyone else is going to pay him what we were at this stage in his career, and he seems to love it here (now).
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: sid1964 on March 21, 2018, 10:17:03 AM
I just don't get the love in with Hutton - can anyone tell me when we have scored directly from one of his bazooka crosses (and i don't mean when the ball has bounced off 5 players and rebounds to someone on the edge of box to score)

For me he runs 20 yards forwards stops and then passes it square-i am dreading Cardiff, if Warnock remembers the game well at their place - then Junior Hoillett will be starting (he put Hutton on his backside) and had his head spinning, so much he was dizzy! also the same against Norwich (can't remember that players name), i seem to remember when he was substituted, the crowd cheered - but we are not fickle LOL - the club have made the right decision - I am sure that Hutton will find another Championship club for the next 2 years, I am just glad that it wont be ours.

He even has his name sung when he takes a throw in (ridiculous) he is no John Gidman / Kenny Swain.



Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: chrisw1 on March 21, 2018, 10:24:45 AM
Well, being one of our better and most consistent players for the last few years has helped.

He’s done very well at left back, is considerably better than Taylor and we seem to perform better as a team when he plays.

I think most people are aware of his limitations, but he has been a good player for us for quite a while now and one of the few to come through the bad years with his head held high.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: in exile on March 21, 2018, 12:09:40 PM
He's back in "full" training
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: cheltenhamlion on March 22, 2018, 09:42:10 AM
So Gabby doesn't get one then ?

Not a chance in hell.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: cheltenhamlion on March 22, 2018, 09:45:15 AM
He's back in "full" training

Him and Tuanzebe are fit for the Easter games.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on May 12, 2018, 10:24:07 PM
I actually want Alan Huttons babies.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Steve67 on May 12, 2018, 10:26:36 PM
I fully understand not offering him a contract if we go up, but surely he's an asset at this level and should get another one?
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on May 12, 2018, 10:29:27 PM
My current favourite Villa player.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: themossman on May 12, 2018, 10:30:26 PM
Same. Love him.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 12, 2018, 10:34:05 PM
I fully understand not offering him a contract if we go up, but surely he's an asset at this level and should get another one?

I’m not sure why we wouldn’t offer him a one year deal either way.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 12, 2018, 10:35:16 PM
I like him so much i'd give him my last Rolo.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Matt Collins on May 12, 2018, 10:48:04 PM
I fully understand not offering him a contract if we go up, but surely he's an asset at this level and should get another one?

I’m not sure why we wouldn’t offer him a one year deal either way.

If we don’t go up we’re going to have to shift a lot of players and I reckon Hutton is on a reasonable amount
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Steve67 on May 12, 2018, 10:53:14 PM
Surely we can offer Hutton a contract but on less money?  Up to him then to wait for other offers to come in.  Hutton will know the score in terms of the club needing to cut back costs.  i'm sure we can still pay as well as anyone else in the Championship.  I wouldn't want to play against him at this level, no doubts he'd be great against us!!  All predicated on us not going up though.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Woofles The Wonder Dog on May 12, 2018, 11:08:56 PM
I like him so much i'd give him my last Rolo.

I've just had to look that up on Urban Dictionary, and quite frankly I'm shocked!
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 12, 2018, 11:11:38 PM
I like him so much i'd give him my last Rolo.

I've just had to look that up on Urban Dictionary, and quite frankly I'm shocked!

Don't knock it until you've tried it.

*kiss*
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: adrenachrome on May 12, 2018, 11:25:15 PM
I like him so much i'd give him my last Rolo.

I've just had to look that up on Urban Dictionary, and quite frankly I'm shocked!

Don't knock it until you've tried it.

*kiss*

I would give him my last Rolo as well, but I would draw the line at my last plain chocolate Bounty bar.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 13, 2018, 02:36:44 AM
I like him so much i'd give him my last Rolo.

I've just had to look that up on Urban Dictionary, and quite frankly I'm shocked!

Don't knock it until you've tried it.

*kiss*

I would give him my last Rolo as well, but I would draw the line at my last plain chocolate Bounty bar.

If he wanted it, he'd take it off you. He's Alan Hutton. My Player of the Season. Everything I love and expect from Aston Villa.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: mr underhill on May 13, 2018, 09:48:59 AM
He is Cafu.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: footyskillz on May 13, 2018, 10:44:23 AM
Fair play to him but he's no over lapping full back. I think best when he was up for rangers and hasn't been for years I don't think villa see the best of him in any offensive minded play so the cafu stuff also is cringe and what some deem small time.

Only 1 ever goals for villa.
Not many assists but he's a hard worker, determined and yesterday he again proved his worth with an immense display.

The football banter here is lost on me. I guess I'm one for more accuracy in comparisons rather than to one of the best ever right backs that played the game.

At a push I say he's a Zabaleta of man city years or even a Gary neville type.

The other thing to add is he's 33 so it's perfectly reasonable now to move him on. A great shift and you know what you get with him but if we are going to next level and playing in big league then upgrades are needed.

Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: mr underhill on May 13, 2018, 11:05:17 AM
entirely agree but for me, he is a bit of a guilty pleasure - however, we might (hopefully) need an upgrade  left and right
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: eamonn on May 13, 2018, 11:27:47 AM
Skillz' posts get to the crux of things, hard to disagree.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: CT on May 13, 2018, 11:30:33 AM
Say what you will,  he was superb yesterday.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Mister E on May 13, 2018, 12:04:33 PM
I’d have played him at CB some years ago: I think he’d be far better there, and we might now be electing to retain rather than dump him.
Whatever, he’s been a good servant to the club.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Risso on May 13, 2018, 12:38:27 PM
I think he's been brilliant this season.  He's never moaned once in his career here, and I think he's plenty good enough to be our utility right/left back next season, whatever league we're in.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: nordenvillain on May 13, 2018, 12:57:32 PM
I would offer him a contract even if we go up. He will be a decent back up for the 2 FB position without bashing the manager's down if not in the 1st team. His display yesterday was excellent and I am hard pressed to think who could have played both FB positions and look comfortable in both
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: ChicagoLion on May 14, 2018, 07:40:11 AM
He was treated appallingly by the club under Lambert.
I think he has always had deficiencies as  a footballer at the top level but I do admire his spirit and performances this season.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Breezeblock on May 14, 2018, 09:12:00 AM
He's my player of the season. He's head and shoulders the best full back in the squad. He had Treore in his pocket the whole game on Saturday. He can play both sides.  He was treated appallingly by the club but just got his head down and got on with it. Yet people want rid of him.  Who's going to replace him? Bree? Taylor? Sorry, I really dont get it. 
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: amfy on May 14, 2018, 09:21:36 AM
I think that whilst everyone appreciates Alan Hutton's spirit, maybe more could notice that he has also improved a great deal as a footballer. I think his overall game has just got better and better, and not just because he tries hard.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: West Derby Villan on May 14, 2018, 10:03:54 AM
I think that whilst everyone appreciates Alan Hutton's spirit, maybe more could notice that he has also improved a great deal as a footballer. I think his overall game has just got better and better, and not just because he tries hard.

Totally agree with this Amfy
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: paul_e on May 14, 2018, 10:36:16 AM
I think that whilst everyone appreciates Alan Hutton's spirit, maybe more could notice that he has also improved a great deal as a footballer. I think his overall game has just got better and better, and not just because he tries hard.

Totally agree with this Amfy

Me too, I think being at left back has helped him massively because he's not bombing up field on the overlap so often so instead of trying to get forward and put in crosses and then struggling to get back in position he's now much more focused on the parts of his game that were always ok, and it's making him much more valuable.  This Hutton is fine and serves a purpose, especially in the current playstyle, but he's not the same player as he was even last season when I'd happily have seen him leave on a free, now it's a shame that he's suddenly looking worth a place just as his deal is expiring.

That said I wouldn't give him a new one, he's 33 and in defence in particular we're looking very old. The only first team defender we own who won't be in his 30s by the end of next season is Bree, you can add in Whelan and Jedi as the DMs and they'll both be 34 at the start of next season as well.  If Hutton agreed a low wage and an backup role then maybe he'd be worth keeping around as cover whilst Bree (or a new right back) and a new left back are given gamre time but I think he'll have better offers than that.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Drummond on May 14, 2018, 11:07:20 AM
I think that whilst everyone appreciates Alan Hutton's spirit, maybe more could notice that he has also improved a great deal as a footballer. I think his overall game has just got better and better, and not just because he tries hard.

Totally agree with this Amfy

Absolutely. I was one who wanted rid of Hutton because his headless runs forward always left us exposed and he never seemed to listen as well as being hot-headed in challenges.

Since Bruce came in though, he's applied himself, rarely gets caught out, makes good challenges, doesn't lose his head and has been a top pro. Whether he'd be good enough for the Premier League I'm not sure, but he deserves another year I'd say.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: PeterWithe on May 14, 2018, 11:46:02 AM
It used to be the case that you coundlt offer a player a new contract on less money, you had to offer a free transfer.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 14, 2018, 12:38:44 PM
I think that whilst everyone appreciates Alan Hutton's spirit, maybe more could notice that he has also improved a great deal as a footballer. I think his overall game has just got better and better, and not just because he tries hard.

I was never his biggest fan but certainly have come round to what he brings to the team and club. Interestingly his best form for us has come as LB where he seems a better fit, but it should also be tempered by the fact that he's playing at a lower level. Championship football is a lot less technical and not remotely as fast as the PL is and it's often the speed of movement that caught Hutton out and he was left making desperate challenges. Personally I would love to keep him but only in a back up capacity if we go up, and as a starting option if we don't.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: garyshawsknee on May 14, 2018, 01:01:46 PM
As great as he has been this season, especially at LB, he has definitely found his level now at his age, if we go up id be at the front queue to congratulate him on a fantastic season, but he would be found out most weeks at a higher level.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: chrisw1 on May 14, 2018, 01:06:50 PM
I'd definitely give him a new deal if the wages were sensible.  A replacement will be 2-3 million and we have bigger problems to address.  We've found it enormously difficult to find competent full backs over the last few years so I have no idea why we wouldn't want to keep the only one we have.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: itbrvilla on May 14, 2018, 01:14:01 PM
I'd definitely give him a new deal if the wages were sensible.  A replacement will be 2-3 million and we have bigger problems to address.  We've found it enormously difficult to find competent full backs over the last few years so I have no idea why we wouldn't want to keep the only one we have.
Probably closer to £8-10m someone OK in todays market.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Chris Stares on May 14, 2018, 03:03:38 PM
We do have another option at RB in De Laet, assuming he comes back to us after his loan is finished.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on May 14, 2018, 04:20:06 PM
I think that whilst everyone appreciates Alan Hutton's spirit, maybe more could notice that he has also improved a great deal as a footballer. I think his overall game has just got better and better, and not just because he tries hard.

He has been far better this year and last, but lets not forget the league we're in.

He's 34, earns a bomb load and isn't good enough if we go up and is keeping a younger player out if we stay down.

Is he really worth giving another lucrative contract to for anything other than he tries hard ?

Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: tomd2103 on May 14, 2018, 04:24:57 PM
I think that whilst everyone appreciates Alan Hutton's spirit, maybe more could notice that he has also improved a great deal as a footballer. I think his overall game has just got better and better, and not just because he tries hard.

He has been far better this year and last, but lets not forget the league we're in.

He's 34, earns a bomb load and isn't good enough if we go up and is keeping a younger player out if we stay down.

Is he really worth giving another lucrative contract to for anything other than he tries hard ?

Was never his biggest fan, but I thought he had a good season last season as well.  I think we are going to have to strengthen in both full-back areas no matter which division we are in next season and although Hutton's versatility would mean he would be a decent squad option for at least one more season, finances will dictate if that is an option or not.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: adrenachrome on May 14, 2018, 05:00:31 PM
From The Express and Star.

Quote
Hutton is out of contract in the summer and Bruce has previously indicated his future at Villa Park depended on the club regaining Premier League status.
But with the 33-year-old having put in a string of impressive performances, Bruce will attempt to convince owner Tony Xia the Scot is worthy of a new deal, even if the club remain in the Championship.
“I’ve continued to say this about Alan Hutton. He is everything I enjoy about a player,” said Bruce.
“He goes home, is one of the first in, and you can see his fitness levels at 33 are quite remarkable.
“He’s been terrific since I’ve been here.
“If I get my way there will certainly be a contract offered to him.”
Hutton will again be tasked with man-marking Middlesbrough’s Adama Traore with Villa protecting a 1-0 lead in Tuesday’s play-off semi-final second-leg.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 14, 2018, 07:25:00 PM
It won't surprise me to see Traore being played in a more central role tomorrow with Penis launching long balls over the top of Terry or Chester for him to run on to.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 15, 2018, 12:26:36 AM
We do have another option at RB in De Laet, assuming he comes back to us after his loan is finished.

According to Transfermarkt, Antwerp have an option to buy. So his availability will depend on their willingness to buy him/ability to pay.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Mister E on May 15, 2018, 12:06:39 PM
It won't surprise me to see Traore being played in a more central role tomorrow with Penis launching long balls over the top of Terry or Chester for him to run on to.
If this happens, we might be best off with Bjarni in the holding MF role. Either that, or we engineer that TRraore accidently runs into Terry early on in the game.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 15, 2018, 01:14:38 PM
I think that whilst everyone appreciates Alan Hutton's spirit, maybe more could notice that he has also improved a great deal as a footballer. I think his overall game has just got better and better, and not just because he tries hard.

Totally agree with this Amfy

Absolutely. I was one who wanted rid of Hutton because his headless runs forward always left us exposed and he never seemed to listen as well as being hot-headed in challenges.

Since Bruce came in though, he's applied himself, rarely gets caught out, makes good challenges, doesn't lose his head and has been a top pro. Whether he'd be good enough for the Premier League I'm not sure, but he deserves another year I'd say.

I think he one one of a very, very small group that could hold him head high the season we were relegated. Since then he's at times, single-handedly, tried to drag our sorry carcass forward. This season Snodgrass has joined his attempts to fight and attack, the big difference now is Hutton is playing a more disciplined game defensively, maybe because he doesn't have the same cover on the left when he advances but as Amfy rightly points out, he's improved along the season and it's no surprise Bruce not only admires him but would love to offer him a new contract.

My guess is Newco Rangers will offer him a longer deal in the summer.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 15, 2018, 11:50:19 PM
I've just read that a missing person's report has been filed looking for a young black man with rather stupid yellow hair and beard, impersonating a footballer with talent. Last seen in the pocket a bald white, tattooed Brazilian originally of Scottish ancestry.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: TonyD on May 16, 2018, 12:04:04 AM
40,000 Alan Hutton  cardboard face masks for the 26th. 
Despite huge stick, he has been a proper club player.  Not the best player ever to wear our shirt but has been there through thick n thin.  We need to keep him if we stay down or go up.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: West Derby Villan on May 16, 2018, 12:08:48 AM
40,000 Alan Hutton  cardboard face masks for the 26th. 
Despite huge stick, he has been a proper club player.  Not the best player ever to wear our shirt but has been there through thick n thin.  We need to keep him if we stay down or go up.

I'll have one please
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: mr underhill on May 16, 2018, 07:29:46 AM
Hutton was excellent last night and Adama was Adama.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: AsTallAsLions on May 16, 2018, 07:31:43 AM
Hutton was excellent last night and Adama was Adama.

I know Adomah has been poor of late compared to his mid-season form, but my god am I glad we got rid of Adama Traore. Bar one or two little moments, I don't understand the fuss at all.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: mr underhill on May 16, 2018, 07:35:31 AM
Agreed - the ultimate footballing charlatan and  media talk of him interesting PL clubs is totally barmy.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: AsTallAsLions on May 16, 2018, 07:39:33 AM
Agreed - the ultimate footballing charlatan and  media talk of him interesting PL clubs is totally barmy.

He played for Barcelona don't you know ;)
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Drummond on May 16, 2018, 12:26:28 PM
He's also done well for them this season. He just came up against a better team in these games....
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: chrisw1 on May 16, 2018, 12:29:59 PM
Hutton was excellent last night and Adama was Adama.

I know Adomah has been poor of late compared to his mid-season form, but my god am I glad we got rid of Adama Traore. Bar one or two little moments, I don't understand the fuss at all.
Well, he was dangerous enough for us to allocate a player to track him wherever he was on the pitch and double or triple up on him when he got near the ball.  That suggests to me he's pretty dangerous and certainly other players will have had more space because of it.  But yes, we nullified him which was down to Bruce's tactics and Huttons excellence.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Pat McMahon on May 16, 2018, 02:33:41 PM
Hutton was excellent last night and Adama was Adama.

I know Adomah has been poor of late compared to his mid-season form, but my god am I glad we got rid of Adama Traore. Bar one or two little moments, I don't understand the fuss at all.
Well, he was dangerous enough for us to allocate a player to track him wherever he was on the pitch and double or triple up on him when he got near the ball.  That suggests to me he's pretty dangerous and certainly other players will have had more space because of it.  But yes, we nullified him which was down to Bruce's tactics and Huttons excellence.

I think you are probably right.

He was their main threat so we were able to focus on nullifying him. If they had a couple of other dangerous players we would have had our resources spread more thinly and that could have been a different story.

This is my fear for Fulham - Mitrovic, Sessegnon, Cairney are all good players.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: mr underhill on May 16, 2018, 04:32:32 PM
not as good as their Wolves counterparts and look what we did to them. We can do this.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 16, 2018, 04:52:15 PM
Sure I heard Adama has a combined 16 gs/ga in the league this season, so he's no mug. I love watching players like and I'd take a punt that barring injury he'll have a much better career than Albert. We did a great job on him but as has been said, we targeted him as their main danger and managed to nullify him, better quality around him (and not such a negative manager) and the space left from 3 players often going to Adama could have been exploited.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: robleflaneur on May 16, 2018, 04:59:24 PM
I've just read that a missing person's report has been filed looking for a young black man with rather stupid yellow hair and beard, impersonating a footballer with talent. Last seen in the pocket a bald white, tattooed Brazilian originally of Scottish ancestry.
Brilliant
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Villafirst on May 16, 2018, 06:04:36 PM
In the scale of stupid hairstyles, Traore's is up there amongst the most stupid - to cap it all, he's also got a blond beard!
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: villasjf on May 17, 2018, 08:41:42 AM
According to the Mirror Bruce is on a collision course with those above him who are refusing to give Hutton a new contract. I dont know how true that is?
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Clampy on May 17, 2018, 08:45:26 AM
According to the Mirror Bruce is on a collision course with those above him who are refusing to give Hutton a new contract. I dont know how true that is?

As it's from the Mirror, I'd say not very true at all. Besides, Keith Wyness and Dr Tony have already rubbished it.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: UK Redsox on May 17, 2018, 09:50:43 AM
In the scale of stupid hairstyles, Traore's is up there amongst the most stupid - to cap it all, he's also got a blond beard!

He looked like Matthew Kelly

(https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article8527352.ece/ALTERNATES/s1200/Matthew-Kelly.jpg)
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Ads on May 17, 2018, 10:00:15 AM
According to the Mirror Bruce is on a collision course with those above him who are refusing to give Hutton a new contract. I dont know how true that is?

Wyness says its bollocks.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Risso on May 17, 2018, 10:48:39 AM
According to the Mirror Bruce is on a collision course with those above him who are refusing to give Hutton a new contract. I dont know how true that is?

Wyness says its bollocks.

So did Dr Tony.  I really do think it's as simple as the fact that everything is off the table until we know whether we're going up or not, and that will go for contracts, new transfers, sales, the manager, everything.  The difference in our outlook financially between going up and staying down cannot be overstated.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: mr underhill on May 17, 2018, 01:36:57 PM
wel lI hope we already have plans in place for both scenarios because with out season ending late, the World Cup, and the transfer window closing early this year it leaves precious little time.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: dave shelley on May 17, 2018, 05:52:31 PM
John Percy in the Telegraph reckons he's going to be offered a new contract regardless of which division we'll be in.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: cheltenhamlion on May 17, 2018, 06:14:13 PM
Snodgrass and Johnstone are done deals if we go up by the way. I don't any numbers before anyone asks.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 17, 2018, 06:41:11 PM
It’s such a strange situation, and indicative of the ludicrous amount of money swilling around in the Premier League, that the outcome of one game could completely change the futures of a number of players in our squad.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: chrisw1 on May 17, 2018, 06:41:34 PM
Snodgrass and Johnstone are done deals if we go up by the way. I don't any numbers before anyone asks.
That's a great start.  IF we go up.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: cheltenhamlion on May 17, 2018, 07:20:21 PM
It’s such a strange situation, and indicative of the ludicrous amount of money swilling around in the Premier League, that the outcome of one game could completely change the futures of a number of players in our squad.

Bonkers.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Drummond on May 17, 2018, 07:45:09 PM
It’s such a strange situation, and indicative of the ludicrous amount of money swilling around in the Premier League, that the outcome of one game could completely change the futures of a number of players in our squad.

Bonkers.

Oh no. I'm going to have that bloody tune in my head all night now.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: four fornicholl on May 17, 2018, 08:06:46 PM
It’s such a strange situation, and indicative of the ludicrous amount of money swilling around in the Premier League, that the outcome of one game could completely change the futures of a number of players in our squad.

Bonkers.

Oh no. I'm going to have that bloody tune in my head all night now.
I went in a club called bonkers in Glasgow many, many years ago, now that was an eyeopener!Certainly lived up to its name, maddest place I've ever stepped foot in.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: mr underhill on May 18, 2018, 09:17:15 AM
wasn't it on Sauchiehall Street? Had some truly mad times in Glasgow in the early 80s.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Ad@m on May 18, 2018, 12:16:22 PM
It’s such a strange situation, and indicative of the ludicrous amount of money swilling around in the Premier League, that the outcome of one game could completely change the futures of a number of players in our squad.

West Brom got nearly £95m for finishing bottom!!!

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DdZatnhWkAECWvD.jpg)
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: paul_e on May 18, 2018, 01:48:05 PM
What really pisses me off about that is the facilities money, the games chosen for TV are done entirely by the broadcasters and yet it can make a difference of £20m, that's an extra player or 2 for many of the smaller clubs.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 18, 2018, 01:50:35 PM
Indeed. The Burnley TV appearances is a disgrace.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 18, 2018, 02:00:18 PM
It is, but the league is also making a shed load of money broadcasting games abroad and Burnley isn't going to sell as well as the sides they most often choose to show. I imagine if we go up we'll be somewhere in the middle.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: chrisw1 on May 18, 2018, 02:59:30 PM
What really pisses me off about that is the facilities money, the games chosen for TV are done entirely by the broadcasters and yet it can make a difference of £20m, that's an extra player or 2 for many of the smaller clubs.
Yes, that is a scandal.  TV money should be an equal split.

I also think merit money is too weighted.  How can clubs ever catch up if others are getting £40m more per season?  The gap can only get bigger and now the FFP drawbridge has been pulled up it's nigh on impossible to break into the elite.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 18, 2018, 05:07:40 PM
The side that finishes top should get a lot more than the side that finishes bottom imo. Crazy to think that when you add in parachute payments, sponsorship and all the extra money commercial money that comes from being a PL side, that even 1 season in the top flight must be worth at least an extra £150m to a club. 
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Mister E on May 18, 2018, 05:21:48 PM
What really pisses me off about that is the facilities money, the games chosen for TV are done entirely by the broadcasters and yet it can make a difference of £20m, that's an extra player or 2 for many of the smaller clubs.
Yes, that is a scandal.  TV money should be an equal split.

I also think merit money is too weighted.  How can clubs ever catch up if others are getting £40m more per season?  The gap can only get bigger and now the FFP drawbridge has been pulled up it's nigh on impossible to break into the elite.
Designed to create an elite that plays on the European stage each year; effectively, a Euro League without the aggro of formalising it.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 18, 2018, 05:24:45 PM
It's prize money, first always gets a lot more than last.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: cheltenhamlion on May 18, 2018, 06:04:08 PM
What really pisses me off about that is the facilities money, the games chosen for TV are done entirely by the broadcasters and yet it can make a difference of £20m, that's an extra player or 2 for many of the smaller clubs.
Yes, that is a scandal.  TV money should be an equal split.

I also think merit money is too weighted.  How can clubs ever catch up if others are getting £40m more per season?  The gap can only get bigger and now the FFP drawbridge has been pulled up it's nigh on impossible to break into the elite.
Designed to create an elite that plays on the European stage each year; effectively, a Euro League without the aggro of formalising it.

We were debating the formation of a Euro Super League in the pub before the Boro game. Some can see it coming but I can't. It wouldn't be so easy to sell out say Old Trafford if they finished 15th every year and couldn't be relied upon to batter the proles most weeks.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 18, 2018, 06:17:00 PM
For that very reason there won't be one, probably ever despite there being talk about it for 20+ years. The 'big' clubs currently have the best of both worlds, playing the European 'elite' and winning domestic trophies. Only one side could win the Super League and let's say it's Barcelona most years, Juventus, Bayern, PSG, Man City etc aren't going to settle for finishing 5th-20th. Not even anything like a top 4 place at stake as they would already playing each other.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: cheltenhamlion on May 18, 2018, 06:22:29 PM
And you could guarantee there would be no promotion or relegation (unless they invented Euro League 2 to stop it from collapsing).
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Pat McMahon on May 18, 2018, 06:38:22 PM
Any of the top European teams listed by PWS would sell out for games among themselves. But English teams for example would get a bigger gate watching them play v Spurs, Arsenal et al and local derby matches than the next tier of European clubs like Seville, Inter , PSG etc.

The current format means they get the best of both worlds.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: cheltenhamlion on May 18, 2018, 06:41:33 PM
Any of the top European teams listed by PWS would sell out for games among themselves. But English teams for example would get a bigger gate watching them play v Spurs, Arsenal et al and local derby matches than the next tier of European clubs like Seville, Inter , PSG etc.

The current format means they get the best of both worlds.

Initially maybe but long term? How many spoiled PSG fans would keep going to watch them lose to Barcelona if all the glory on offer was a creditable 12th place finish?
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: TonyD on May 25, 2018, 12:02:05 AM
I want to see him tearing down the wing on Saturday.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: ChicagoLion on May 25, 2018, 12:17:16 AM
I think they would have regional leagues with a play off competition like in the USA.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 25, 2018, 01:20:50 PM
I want to see him tearing down the wing on Saturday.

I want to see him celebrating scoring the winning goal for us on Saturday.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: TonyD on May 25, 2018, 11:48:25 PM
I want to see him tearing down the wing on Saturday.

I want to see him celebrating scoring the winning goal for us on Saturday.
Too true. Bump it’s his last game
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: ChicagoLion on May 26, 2018, 10:11:42 PM
Fucked up,
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 27, 2018, 01:11:41 AM
Yup, at much as I love him their goal was in a large part down to him reading the game incorrectly.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: wittonwarrior on May 27, 2018, 02:51:35 AM
Honestly! Was shocking today. Chester covering for him took a booking which limited James for rest of game and the goal itself, not to mention his inability today to properly get forward. Fulham obviously did their homework on him
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: mr underhill on May 27, 2018, 07:10:06 AM
thank you and goodbye.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 27, 2018, 10:06:56 AM
He's had a good season but yeah his limitations against good passing teams was evident yesterday so not really sure he'd have been that good if we'd gone up and offered him a new deal.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: wittonwarrior on May 27, 2018, 12:26:57 PM
I’ll put his performance yesterday to a team that took an interest in him rather than he contributes nothing type of player
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on May 27, 2018, 01:02:49 PM


Bye.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: footyskillz on May 27, 2018, 05:27:55 PM
We have Bree and he can play right back. Let's move for a loan left back and have Taylor (if we don't sell him) and employ a youngster in that position.

Great service and a credit at times despite some liabilities he particularly gave efforts in many games over season. Bruce of course loves this type of player but like to think the championship and football has moved on from that.

Part of reason to move him on is saving in wages however must be some understanding on what that is if not a Prem club.

Good luck to him stay or go as don't mind him and seems to clean up his dirty image.
Even may be a shout for centre back but don't want him as a left back or even a right back anymore.

I recognise lot of love for him and there are reasons for that so he is generally appreciated but if its a case of reducing costs then he can go while we move forward however I can see him staying around.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on June 08, 2018, 11:33:14 PM
http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2018/06/09/report-alan-hutton-willing-to-take-pay-cut-to-stay-at-aston-vill/

What a man.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: PeterWithe on June 08, 2018, 11:36:04 PM
I’m also willing to take a pay cut to play right back for the Villa next year.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: sickbeggar on June 08, 2018, 11:36:58 PM
hah. no way he was on 15k. Bullshit
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 08, 2018, 11:55:26 PM
Guilty?
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: tomd2103 on June 09, 2018, 02:25:17 AM
I’m also willing to take a pay cut to play right back for the Villa next year.

If we are trimming the wage bill, then there is no way we can continue with four right backs in the squad.  I would say two probably have to go and although Hutton has done well over the last two seasons, the fact that he is out of contract probably means he would be one of them. 
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Nelly on June 09, 2018, 05:54:35 AM
I'd keep Hutton. He's better than what we have in either fullback positions. Taylor and Bree fill me with dread whenever they're near the ball. They look like so unassured.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: ozzjim on June 09, 2018, 07:55:38 AM
First of all Tom, I would argue he's our first choice left back not right. I would be offering him 2 years on 5k a week. He was one of our better players last season, fights, plays his heart out and actually deserves to stay. If he's happy to do that then we would foolish to let him go. He can still perform and would be very good value for it.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Lastfootstamper on June 09, 2018, 09:02:17 AM
Would you be happy working somewhere where you're one of the most diligent and professional members of staff, yet you're paid comparative peanuts to those around you?
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Matt Collins on June 09, 2018, 09:17:19 AM
Ideally we'd keep him. I've come around to hutton this season .

But it remains to be seen who we can get off the wages bill. We might end up having to sell the limited number of players that other teams are willing to match wages for
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: wolfman999 on June 09, 2018, 09:28:43 AM
If we are going to be bringing a good few younger players through, we will need a few experienced heads around them as expectations will still be high and the pressure to compete at the top of the table intense. What's more if, as has been suggested, he is willing to take a pay cut to stay, that says a lot about his character which is missing in most players these days unfortunately.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: wolfman999 on June 09, 2018, 09:29:42 AM
Would you be happy working somewhere where you're one of the most diligent and professional members of staff, yet you're paid comparative peanuts to those around you?

Can we still afford to buy peanuts ?
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Steve67 on June 09, 2018, 09:38:30 AM
Would you be happy working somewhere where you're one of the most diligent and professional members of staff, yet you're paid comparative peanuts to those around you?

Can we still afford to buy peanuts ?

Only if they're from Lidl.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: tomd2103 on June 09, 2018, 10:06:08 AM
First of all Tom, I would argue he's our first choice left back not right. I would be offering him 2 years on 5k a week. He was one of our better players last season, fights, plays his heart out and actually deserves to stay. If he's happy to do that then we would foolish to let him go. He can still perform and would be very good value for it.

I agree with all of that mate and he does deserve another contract after the way he has played over the past couple of seasons.  Finances, however, might dictate that that is not possible.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: dicedlam on June 09, 2018, 10:25:25 AM
First of all Tom, I would argue he's our first choice left back not right. I would be offering him 2 years on 5k a week. He was one of our better players last season, fights, plays his heart out and actually deserves to stay. If he's happy to do that then we would foolish to let him go. He can still perform and would be very good value for it.

I agree with all of that mate and he does deserve another contract after the way he has played over the past couple of seasons.  Finances, however, might dictate that that is not possible.

I would offer him a new contract and if Chester is part of the fire sale, I would make him captain.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Damo70 on June 09, 2018, 08:47:09 PM
I would keep him for the character, attitude and form he has shown in the last few seasons. I thought he was about the only one who could hold his head high in our relegation season.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on June 09, 2018, 11:26:39 PM
My favourite current Villa player by a country mile. I hope we keep him.

Bree and Taylor are abject, Hutton and Elmo are adequate and have a good attitude. Keep Hutton and Elmo and move on Bree and Taylor methinks.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 09, 2018, 11:38:42 PM
Keep Bree, I don't think he did two badly in the Boro and Cardiff games and they were two of the better teams at this level last season so certainly potential there. However I doubt Bruce is manager to coax much out of him as he always dropped him after a bad game.

Thought Taylor would be a good signing as liked him at Swansea but he was a proper liability at the end of the season to continue the fine tradition of Villa left backs.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: paul_e on June 10, 2018, 12:13:13 AM
Not for me, we need to move on.  I'm fine with keeping a few experienced heads but not by giving new contracts to people.  He was better once we shifted him to left back because at that point he stopped trying to get forward. I think if we want to play 2 up front we can't have full backs who struggle in the opposition half so we should take this as a chance to pick up someone who can over lap and get crosses in early on that side, especially if we're building around Jedi or Whelan sitting in front of the centre backs.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Louzie0 on June 10, 2018, 12:25:57 AM
 :)I would like to keep the Scottish Cafu and if he wants to stay, then Shirley a deal can be done!  :)
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 10, 2018, 12:35:40 AM
My abiding memory will be his walkabout for the Fulham goal.
Sadly
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: robleflaneur on June 10, 2018, 01:05:29 AM
My favourite current Villa player by a country mile. I hope we keep him.

Bree and Taylor are abject, Hutton and Elmo are adequate and have a good attitude. Keep Hutton and Elmo and move on Bree and Taylor methinks.
Bree will be a Premiership player within 3 years.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: tomd2103 on June 10, 2018, 01:17:00 AM
Not for me, we need to move on.  I'm fine with keeping a few experienced heads but not by giving new contracts to people.  He was better once we shifted him to left back because at that point he stopped trying to get forward. I think if we want to play 2 up front we can't have full backs who struggle in the opposition half so we should take this as a chance to pick up someone who can over lap and get crosses in early on that side, especially if we're building around Jedi or Whelan sitting in front of the centre backs.

Elmohamady, Bree, De Laet and Taylor all still have time left on their contracts, so unless we can sell a couple of them, I just can’t see how we will be able to offer Hutton anything if money is so short.  Left back needs sorting and if we have a very restricted budget then it would be ridiculous to have three senior right backs in the squad. 
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Nastylee on June 10, 2018, 08:46:07 AM
It does seem funny how we loaded that side of the pitch. Bree has to be the future now as he has potential and will be on a low wage.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: tomd2103 on June 10, 2018, 10:18:05 AM
It does seem funny how we loaded that side of the pitch. Bree has to be the future now as he has potential and will be on a low wage.

Not sure he is ready for that just yet.  Ideally we would have two decent options either side, with the younger players providing support.  I think Neil Taylor’s confidence and form are shattered and we should maybe look at moving him on and bringing in a first choice option at left back.  If Hutton is to be re-signed then one of Elmohamady or De Laet has to go, or perhaps even both. A quartet of Elmohamady / De Laet, Hutton, Bree and a new left back would be about right. 
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: old man villa fan on June 10, 2018, 01:04:51 PM
If we want to be a sustainable club, we have to be looking at the two reserves being young players.  We cannot afford to have 3 or 4 senior players filling the four positions.  It is also too short term thinking.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: amfy on June 10, 2018, 04:07:30 PM
It does seem funny how we loaded that side of the pitch. Bree has to be the future now as he has potential and will be on a low wage.

Not sure he is ready for that just yet.  Ideally we would have two decent options either side, with the younger players providing support.  I think Neil Taylor’s confidence and form are shattered and we should maybe look at moving him on and bringing in a first choice option at left back.  If Hutton is to be re-signed then one of Elmohamady or De Laet has to go, or perhaps even both. A quartet of Elmohamady / De Laet, Hutton, Bree and a new left back would be about right. 

Bree was a first team regular in a Barnsley side who were around the top 6. Give him a run to gather his confidence and he will be able to do a job there.

Thinking all but the most proven players aren't good enough for us is what got us into this mess.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on June 10, 2018, 04:24:12 PM
Bree was a first team regular in a Barnsley side who were around the top 6. Give him a run to gather his confidence and he will be able to do a job there.

This all day long.

If Hutton was a great or even very good footballer i could understand the urge to give him a new contract, but he isn't is he ?

He's a trier, a good bloke but still one who's not given us value for money.

And if he was only earning 15k a week i'm a fitness instructor.

Time to move on.

Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: tomd2103 on June 10, 2018, 05:13:10 PM
It does seem funny how we loaded that side of the pitch. Bree has to be the future now as he has potential and will be on a low wage.

Not sure he is ready for that just yet.  Ideally we would have two decent options either side, with the younger players providing support.  I think Neil Taylor’s confidence and form are shattered and we should maybe look at moving him on and bringing in a first choice option at left back.  If Hutton is to be re-signed then one of Elmohamady or De Laet has to go, or perhaps even both. A quartet of Elmohamady / De Laet, Hutton, Bree and a new left back would be about right. 

Bree was a first team regular in a Barnsley side who were around the top 6. Give him a run to gather his confidence and he will be able to do a job there.

Thinking all but the most proven players aren't good enough for us is what got us into this mess.

Agree about Bree, but he has frozen a bit when he has played at Villa Park, particularly against Brentford.  He’s still only young, so it might be worth him havin* another season as an understudy.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 10, 2018, 05:40:28 PM
He's a trier, a good bloke but still one who's not given us value for money.

Time to move on.

The same could be said for Bruce.

As for Hutton, I do worry how losing Snodgrass, Terry and possibly Chester, we'll have very little leadership on the pitch. Hutton has always led by example, dragging us forward by the short and curlies to attack. For that he'll always have my appreciation and respect.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: OCD on June 10, 2018, 06:29:08 PM
It does seem funny how we loaded that side of the pitch. Bree has to be the future now as he has potential and will be on a low wage.

Not sure he is ready for that just yet.  Ideally we would have two decent options either side, with the younger players providing support.  I think Neil Taylor’s confidence and form are shattered and we should maybe look at moving him on and bringing in a first choice option at left back.  If Hutton is to be re-signed then one of Elmohamady or De Laet has to go, or perhaps even both. A quartet of Elmohamady / De Laet, Hutton, Bree and a new left back would be about right. 

Bree was a first team regular in a Barnsley side who were around the top 6. Give him a run to gather his confidence and he will be able to do a job there.

Thinking all but the most proven players aren't good enough for us is what got us into this mess.

Agree about Bree, but he has frozen a bit when he has played at Villa Park, particularly against Brentford.  He’s still only young, so it might be worth him havin* another season as an understudy.

Doesn't look like we're going to have that luxury. Get a good pre-season in and then he's going to have to step-up. The kids are going to be thrown into the limelight this season and they're going to have to grow up fast. It will be the making of some. Others will have to dust themselves off and 'go again'.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: JUAN PABLO on June 10, 2018, 06:39:12 PM
He's a trier, a good bloke but still one who's not given us value for money.

Time to move on.

The same could be said for Bruce.

As for Hutton, I do worry how losing Snodgrass, Terry and possibly Chester, we'll have very little leadership on the pitch. Hutton has always led by example, dragging us forward by the short and curlies to attack. For that he'll always have my appreciation and respect.
He's a trier, a good bloke but still one who's not given us value for money.

Time to move on.

The same could be said for Bruce.

As for Hutton, I do worry how losing Snodgrass, Terry and possibly Chester, we'll have very little leadership on the pitch. Hutton has always led by example, dragging us forward by the short and curlies to attack. For that he'll always have my appreciation and respect.

Hutton looked pretty good last season in the championship because the championship is ,  to be fair pretty crap

He was awful in the Prem . 

But it shows how shit Bruce really did last season , crap league . good squad , still failed.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: taylorsworkrate on June 10, 2018, 06:39:42 PM
It does seem funny how we loaded that side of the pitch. Bree has to be the future now as he has potential and will be on a low wage.

Not sure he is ready for that just yet.  Ideally we would have two decent options either side, with the younger players providing support.  I think Neil Taylor’s confidence and form are shattered and we should maybe look at moving him on and bringing in a first choice option at left back.  If Hutton is to be re-signed then one of Elmohamady or De Laet has to go, or perhaps even both. A quartet of Elmohamady / De Laet, Hutton, Bree and a new left back would be about right. 

Bree was a first team regular in a Barnsley side who were around the top 6. Give him a run to gather his confidence and he will be able to do a job there.

Thinking all but the most proven players aren't good enough for us is what got us into this mess.

Agree about Bree, but he has frozen a bit when he has played at Villa Park, particularly against Brentford.  He’s still only young, so it might be worth him havin* another season as an understudy.

Doesn't look like we're going to have that luxury. Get a good pre-season in and then he's going to have to step-up. The kids are going to be thrown into the limelight this season and they're going to have to grow up fast. It will be the making of some. Others will have to dust themselves off and 'go again'.

Completely agree with that. Players like Bree, Green and maybe even O'Hare are just going to have to sink or swim
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: JUAN PABLO on June 10, 2018, 06:41:12 PM


Hutton looked pretty good last season in the championship because the championship is ,  to be fair pretty crap

He was awful in the Prem . 

But it shows how shit Bruce really did last season , crap league . good squad , still failed.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Richard E on June 10, 2018, 06:41:46 PM
Will anyone be able to find Hutton to discuss a new contract? He was nowhere to be seen as Cairney strolled into our area at Wembley.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: brontebilly on June 10, 2018, 11:32:01 PM


Hutton looked pretty good last season in the championship because the championship is ,  to be fair pretty crap

He was awful in the Prem . 

But it shows how shit Bruce really did last season , crap league . good squad , still failed.

Hutton was our best full back by a distance but still wouldn't have come close to starting for Fulham or Wolves.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: tomd2103 on June 11, 2018, 01:32:35 AM
It does seem funny how we loaded that side of the pitch. Bree has to be the future now as he has potential and will be on a low wage.

Not sure he is ready for that just yet.  Ideally we would have two decent options either side, with the younger players providing support.  I think Neil Taylor’s confidence and form are shattered and we should maybe look at moving him on and bringing in a first choice option at left back.  If Hutton is to be re-signed then one of Elmohamady or De Laet has to go, or perhaps even both. A quartet of Elmohamady / De Laet, Hutton, Bree and a new left back would be about right. 

Bree was a first team regular in a Barnsley side who were around the top 6. Give him a run to gather his confidence and he will be able to do a job there.

Thinking all but the most proven players aren't good enough for us is what got us into this mess.

Agree about Bree, but he has frozen a bit when he has played at Villa Park, particularly against Brentford.  He’s still only young, so it might be worth him havin* another season as an understudy.

Doesn't look like we're going to have that luxury. Get a good pre-season in and then he's going to have to step-up. The kids are going to be thrown into the limelight this season and they're going to have to grow up fast. It will be the making of some. Others will have to dust themselves off and 'go again'.

I don’t know if Elmohamady, De Laet and Hutton will all go will they?  Think that would have to happen for Bree to become first choice. 
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: boozey182 on June 11, 2018, 09:42:30 AM
I've been saying for years now that I think full backs are the most important players in a team. If you have decent full backs that are solid defensively and good on the ball, as well as quick, then the whole game changes. They have more time and space on the ball than any other outfield player, and just having a threat from full back can change the mindset of the opposition. It can free up space for the players in front of him, give your winger the freedom to move around the pitch, and the centre backs always have a pass on, moving the ball 10 yards up the pitch.

For all Alan's determination and commitment, it's much more difficult to play on the front foot with him in the team. He's simply not good enough on the ball. As a squad player he'd be okay, but I'm not sure we can afford to pay him to sit on the bench. And besides, we need to be using our younger players as squad fillers, and should have been for years.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: chrisw1 on June 11, 2018, 11:02:58 AM
I've been saying for years now that I think full backs are the most important players in a team. If you have decent full backs that are solid defensively and good on the ball, as well as quick, then the whole game changes. They have more time and space on the ball than any other outfield player, and just having a threat from full back can change the mindset of the opposition. It can free up space for the players in front of him, give your winger the freedom to move around the pitch, and the centre backs always have a pass on, moving the ball 10 yards up the pitch.

For all Alan's determination and commitment, it's much more difficult to play on the front foot with him in the team. He's simply not good enough on the ball. As a squad player he'd be okay, but I'm not sure we can afford to pay him to sit on the bench. And besides, we need to be using our younger players as squad fillers, and should have been for years.
Whilst I partly agree with you, he is the best fullback at the club.  On either side.  If there was a way of keeping him on a more affordable contract and shipping some of the others for a small fee, that would definitely be my preference.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 11, 2018, 11:35:51 AM
I've been saying for years now that I think full backs are the most important players in a team. If you have decent full backs that are solid defensively and good on the ball, as well as quick, then the whole game changes. They have more time and space on the ball than any other outfield player, and just having a threat from full back can change the mindset of the opposition. It can free up space for the players in front of him, give your winger the freedom to move around the pitch, and the centre backs always have a pass on, moving the ball 10 yards up the pitch.

For all Alan's determination and commitment, it's much more difficult to play on the front foot with him in the team. He's simply not good enough on the ball. As a squad player he'd be okay, but I'm not sure we can afford to pay him to sit on the bench. And besides, we need to be using our younger players as squad fillers, and should have been for years.
Whilst I partly agree with you, he is the best fullback at the club.  On either side.  If there was a way of keeping him on a more affordable contract and shipping some of the others for a small fee, that would definitely be my preference.

Defensively.

Probably why left back suited him so much, not much expectations for going forward which he has when he plays on the right side.

After not being a huge fan of him for years he won me round last season so if there was a chance for him to stay I'd sign him up.

AEM, Hutton, Bree and a young FB on loan from premier league (similar to Fulham getting in Matt Targett from Southampton) would be ideal mix at full back for us next season and even with our cutbacks shouldn't drain us too much.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: paul_e on June 11, 2018, 01:00:42 PM
I've been saying for years now that I think full backs are the most important players in a team. If you have decent full backs that are solid defensively and good on the ball, as well as quick, then the whole game changes. They have more time and space on the ball than any other outfield player, and just having a threat from full back can change the mindset of the opposition. It can free up space for the players in front of him, give your winger the freedom to move around the pitch, and the centre backs always have a pass on, moving the ball 10 yards up the pitch.

For all Alan's determination and commitment, it's much more difficult to play on the front foot with him in the team. He's simply not good enough on the ball. As a squad player he'd be okay, but I'm not sure we can afford to pay him to sit on the bench. And besides, we need to be using our younger players as squad fillers, and should have been for years.
Whilst I partly agree with you, he is the best fullback at the club.  On either side.  If there was a way of keeping him on a more affordable contract and shipping some of the others for a small fee, that would definitely be my preference.

Defensively.

Probably why left back suited him so much, not much expectations for going forward which he has when he plays on the right side.

After not being a huge fan of him for years he won me round last season so if there was a chance for him to stay I'd sign him up.

AEM, Hutton, Bree and a young FB on loan from premier league (similar to Fulham getting in Matt Targett from Southampton) would be ideal mix at full back for us next season and even with our cutbacks shouldn't drain us too much.

If we sell Elmo and RDL then I'd be happy to keep Hutton but otherwise we need to start reducing the size of the squad and offering new contracts, even small ones, to players who've left doesn't help with that.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 11, 2018, 01:03:48 PM
De Laet will certainly leave.

Don't really see us sellling AEM. He has two years left on his deal and I really don't see a premier league club coming in for him so think he'll be here next season.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on June 11, 2018, 01:38:02 PM
Hutton was our best full back by a distance but still wouldn't have come close to starting for Fulham or Wolves.

and yet still offered absolutely NOTHING in the opposition half of the field. Unlike Elmo who notched up a few assists and whipped in a fair few crosses in most matches

it's even questionable if Hutton actually defends well at times
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: john e on June 11, 2018, 01:46:23 PM
I've been saying for years now that I think full backs are the most important players in a team. If you have decent full backs that are solid defensively and good on the ball, as well as quick, then the whole game changes. They have more time and space on the ball than any other outfield player, and just having a threat from full back can change the mindset of the opposition. It can free up space for the players in front of him, give your winger the freedom to move around the pitch, and the centre backs always have a pass on, moving the ball 10 yards up the pitch.

For all Alan's determination and commitment, it's much more difficult to play on the front foot with him in the team. He's simply not good enough on the ball. As a squad player he'd be okay, but I'm not sure we can afford to pay him to sit on the bench. And besides, we need to be using our younger players as squad fillers, and should have been for years.
Whilst I partly agree with you, he is the best fullback at the club.  On either side.  If there was a way of keeping him on a more affordable contract and shipping some of the others for a small fee, that would definitely be my preference.

Defensively.

Probably why left back suited him so much, not much expectations for going forward which he has when he plays on the right side.

After not being a huge fan of him for years he won me round last season so if there was a chance for him to stay I'd sign him up.

AEM, Hutton, Bree and a young FB on loan from premier league (similar to Fulham getting in Matt Targett from Southampton) would be ideal mix at full back for us next season and even with our cutbacks shouldn't drain us too much.

If we sell Elmo and RDL then I'd be happy to keep Hutton but otherwise we need to start reducing the size of the squad and offering new contracts, even small ones, to players who've left doesn't help with that.

Elmo is 32 in Sept and probably on 25-30k a week which is a problem
but the bigger problem is he's not very good at football either which might put potential buyers of him, but not always

don't expect a queue around the block for him mind
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on June 11, 2018, 01:53:52 PM
Elmo is 32 in Sept and probably on 25-30k a week which is a problem
but the bigger problem is he's not very good at football either which might put potential buyers of him, but not always

Compared to Hutton, Elmo really is Cafu
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: paul_e on June 11, 2018, 02:09:53 PM
Elmo is 32 in Sept and probably on 25-30k a week which is a problem
but the bigger problem is he's not very good at football either which might put potential buyers of him, but not always

don't expect a queue around the block for him mind

Absolutely, that's why I don't think the idea of a new contract for Hutton is a good one (aside from the fact that I think he'a  very limited player).  If we offload a couple of the alternatives then it becomes a meaningful discussion.

Personally I'd be looking to move out Elmo, Taylor and either Hutton or RDL and then get in a younger left back so we would have Bree and the newLB with Hutton/RDL as alternative/cover for both and the likes of Clark and Bazeley-Graham providing the deeper cover.  Some people will want more experience but we're really not in a position to have experienced cover for every position.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Rigadon on June 11, 2018, 08:08:24 PM
Hutton is exactly the kind of player we will need next season.  We will presumably have a load of kids in the first team so keeping Hutton is a great idea, if it can be done. 
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: old man villa fan on June 11, 2018, 08:15:54 PM
Hutton is exactly the kind of player we will need next season.  We will presumably have a load of kids in the first team so keeping Hutton is a great idea, if it can be done. 

I do not think I have ever seen him offer encouragement to other players in the team.  He seems to be a bit of a loner on the pitch.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 11, 2018, 08:39:07 PM
I don’t know if Elmohamady, De Laet and Hutton will all go will they? 

I could never work out what happened to Elmo's crossing, the only decent talent he has. First half of the season it was great, second half he struggled to beat the first man.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Rigadon on June 12, 2018, 06:25:07 AM
Hutton is exactly the kind of player we will need next season.  We will presumably have a load of kids in the first team so keeping Hutton is a great idea, if it can be done. 

I do not think I have ever seen him offer encouragement to other players in the team.  He seems to be a bit of a loner on the pitch.


Know what you mean, and I don't think he's captain material. But he's an 'old pro' who is still mobile and knows the game inside out.  Jedinak is another one (though less mobile).  I don't think we'll keep Chester unfortunately.   

Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Drummond on June 12, 2018, 10:29:52 AM
De Laet will certainly leave.

Don't really see us sellling AEM. He has two years left on his deal and I really don't see a premier league club coming in for him so think he'll be here next season.

Elmo will end up at Leeds with Bruce.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: old man villa fan on June 12, 2018, 10:32:04 AM
De Laet will certainly leave.

Don't really see us sellling AEM. He has two years left on his deal and I really don't see a premier league club coming in for him so think he'll be here next season.

Elmo will end up at Leeds with Bruce.

Now, there's a thought.  If Bruce was to go elsewhere, he might take some of our players off our hands.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: VinnieChase84 on June 12, 2018, 06:39:03 PM
Forest have offered him a 2 year deal
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on June 12, 2018, 07:19:55 PM
Forest have offered him a 2 year deal

Phew.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 12, 2018, 07:46:30 PM
De Laet will certainly leave.

Don't really see us sellling AEM. He has two years left on his deal and I really don't see a premier league club coming in for him so think he'll be here next season.

Elmo will end up at Leeds with Bruce.

Now, there's a thought.  If Bruce was to go elsewhere, he might take some of our players off our hands.

Wishful thinking. Leeds don't want him.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: OCD on June 12, 2018, 09:49:00 PM
Leeds are meant to be announcing Biesla tomorrow but we'll see.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Steve67 on June 12, 2018, 10:40:51 PM
Leeds are meant to be announcing Biesla tomorrow but we'll see.

A marriage made in Heaven.  What can possibly go wrong? (terms and conditions attached, you watch the feckers get promoted!!)
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: mr underhill on June 13, 2018, 07:11:42 AM
the ultimate car crash. A fucked up club bossed by the maddest fucker in football.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 13, 2018, 05:13:18 PM
Leeds are meant to be announcing Biesla tomorrow but we'll see.

A marriage made in Heaven.  What can possibly go wrong? (terms and conditions attached, you watch the feckers get promoted!!)

It certainly is a marriage made in heaven. They're going to absolutely love him, for how long is the question. If they get off to a good start I wouldn't bet against them being promoted.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on June 13, 2018, 05:41:13 PM
Alan has denied he has been released by the club.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Rigadon on June 13, 2018, 07:20:26 PM
He was in Solihull Waitrose earlier today.  Just sharing.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 13, 2018, 07:47:40 PM
Alan has denied he has been released by the club.

Ask him again on the 30th of June when his contract expires.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: mr underhill on June 13, 2018, 08:16:26 PM
you mean right after the salary cheque bounces
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 13, 2018, 08:22:19 PM
We’ll be in a real mess if we’re paying players who aren’t contracted to the club.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Ads on June 13, 2018, 09:38:49 PM
It's like Office Space.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: kieron on June 14, 2018, 01:31:39 PM
https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1007238982378381318

New contract!
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Ger Regan on June 14, 2018, 01:33:05 PM
Blimey. That's good news in fairness. Presume he'll be on a much lower wage.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Clampy on June 14, 2018, 01:36:00 PM
Quite surprised about that. Not something I'd have done but I don't begrudge him it.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: JUAN PABLO on June 14, 2018, 01:36:17 PM
Im suprised

I would imagine lower wage and If he could get more else where , good on him .

He is about the level we are at now . hopeless in the prem but 7.5 ish in this league , can we get rid of Taylor now ,

Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: wozwebs on June 14, 2018, 01:37:24 PM
Glad he’s staying. Need some experience in the side if the kids are going to be used a lot more next season.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: ajmant on June 14, 2018, 01:38:12 PM
Which I assume means Bruce is staying.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: chrisw1 on June 14, 2018, 01:38:54 PM
I bet he's now on very affordable wages.  With the likely disruption to the squad this summer I think this is good news and thoroughly deserved.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: wozwebs on June 14, 2018, 01:40:03 PM
On Instagram he says it’s another year and he had no intention of going anywhere
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: andyh on June 14, 2018, 01:45:00 PM
This makes me happier than it should.

Welcome home Hutts.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 14, 2018, 01:45:11 PM
To be fair he'd have not got wages close to his last contract wherever he'd gone, but I'm very pleased he's decided to stay with us. He's been really good for the past 2 seasons and he comes across as a top bloke, he's certainly one of my favourites of the post O' Neill years.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: kieron on June 14, 2018, 01:46:24 PM
Interview:

Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: paul_e on June 14, 2018, 01:54:29 PM
I'm ok with this if it's followed up by RDL and Elmo or Taylor leaving (or all 3 even).  The squad is too big for where we are but, still oddly unbalanced with glaring gaps (such as the fact that we only have 1 senior central defender and our GK options are poor).
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: frank black on June 14, 2018, 01:55:05 PM
Yes
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Legion on June 14, 2018, 01:59:17 PM
Great news.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Gareth on June 14, 2018, 02:05:55 PM
If I remember right he lives Leicester way so if he has turned down 2 years at Forest for less money and only 1 year here he has my respect.

Not a great player but he with out doubt a cult hero & also last season he was confortably the best left back we had....just don’t ever want to see him back on the right side :-)

As for Twitter comments I’ve seen about his mistake at Wembley costing us promotion haha! he made a mistake in the normal flow of a game & that’s all it was, the other 90+ minutes of football featured several mistakes from players, officials and managers, that was the unfortunate one that was punished.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Fred Crump on June 14, 2018, 02:06:35 PM
First bit of genuinely good news for ages. Three years ago I would never have said that but we’ve fallen a long way and also he’s proved himself to be a good player at this level. But more importantly he’s sweated blood for the club, never hidden , never sulked and as such is a great example to the young players on whom we will almost certainly now have to rely. Top bloke, much respect sir !
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: UK Redsox on June 14, 2018, 02:06:54 PM
This must mean that there's been offers for at least one of Elmo, RDL or Thewelshrobertocarlos
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Lastfootstamper on June 14, 2018, 02:07:09 PM
Bruce staying?
We're not potless?
Taylor and or others on the way out?

Anyways, welcome back Alan. You're here seemingly only because you want to be. I like that. I like that a lot.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Tuscans on June 14, 2018, 02:08:55 PM
Get in Hutts...thank you.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on June 14, 2018, 02:10:49 PM
Quite surprised about that. Not something I'd have done but I don't begrudge him it.

This. I think he's held us back for too long already, with not being able to add a single thing in the opposition half of the field.

But he seems a good lad with his heart in the right place.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 14, 2018, 02:11:14 PM
First bit of genuinely good news for ages. Three years ago I would never have said that but we’ve fallen a long way and also he’s proved himself to be a good player at this level. But more importantly he’s sweated blood for the club, never hidden , never sulked and as such is a great example to the young players on whom we will almost certainly now have to rely. Top bloke, much respect sir !

This all day long.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: john e on June 14, 2018, 02:12:02 PM
Lord Baltimore will not be best pleased
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on June 14, 2018, 02:13:02 PM
Lord Baltimore will not be best pleased

Purely on his footballing ability i'm not. Believe me
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Tuscans on June 14, 2018, 02:18:55 PM
Quite surprised about that. Not something I'd have done but I don't begrudge him it.

This. I think he's held us back for too long already, with not being able to add a single thing in the opposition half of the field.

But he seems a good lad with his heart in the right place.
I think at this level he's been superb especially playing on the other side. Much better option than Taylor, Bree or Elmo for me.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Des Little on June 14, 2018, 02:21:54 PM
I'm glad he's staying. I can think of many I'd rather shift before him.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: AsTallAsLions on June 14, 2018, 02:22:40 PM
Excellent stuff. Keep him on the left and play Bree on the right. Sell Taylor or Elmohamady, whoever's left can stay as cover.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: manic-road on June 14, 2018, 02:25:08 PM
I'm fine with this news, Hutton has been treated like shite by past managers and SB has got him playing pretty good in the Championship. Yes I know it's a lower level but if a few senior players leave to help the finances he could well be a pivotal player next season just to stay up.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: phantom limb on June 14, 2018, 02:28:54 PM
I have to say I didn’t see this coming. Assumed he’d be part of a mass exodus, so it’s a bit of good news.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on June 14, 2018, 02:30:21 PM
I think at this level he's been superb especially playing on the other side. Much better option than Taylor, Bree or Elmo for me.
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and yet ...

1. Elmo has done perfectly fine, has supplied assists and can cross a ball
2. Bree came from a team playing in a side that were sitting higher than us in the table and needs to be playing games
3. I'd agree Hutton is better at left back. But still offers absolutely zero going forward
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Ads on June 14, 2018, 02:35:16 PM
Best left back at the club.
Title: Rre: Alan Hutton
Post by: Three Spires Villa on June 14, 2018, 02:57:39 PM
Great news, in my humble opinion. Over the last 2 seasons I have really taken to him more. Good man, Villa man!!
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on June 14, 2018, 02:58:36 PM
Thanks Alan. Much appreciated in this day and age!
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: achilles on June 14, 2018, 03:16:34 PM
It is brilliant to see someone who actually wants to play for our club and for once it is not all about money!

A fan's player, not many of them about anymore... sadly!

Great to have you back for another season, Alan! UTV
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: TheMalandro on June 14, 2018, 03:29:29 PM
Good news, a thoroughly deserved.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: JUAN PABLO on June 14, 2018, 03:33:24 PM
I'm ok with this if it's followed up by RDL and Elmo or Taylor leaving (or all 3 even).  The squad is too big for where we are but, still oddly unbalanced with glaring gaps (such as the fact that we only have 1 senior central defender and our GK options are poor).

RDL can play CB too ..  I rate RDL championship level to be fair ID prefer Taylor gone , he is a liability
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: wolfman999 on June 14, 2018, 03:47:58 PM
Top man.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: itmustbe_it is! on June 14, 2018, 03:49:11 PM
It is brilliant to see someone who actually wants to play for our club and for once it is not all about money!

A fan's player, not many of them about anymore... sadly!

Great to have you back for another season, Alan! UTV

This.

We all know he has some technical limitations but watch his interview , so good to hear him talk about wanting to play for the club, loving it here, hurting after the final (and looking like he meant it). As much as we need the skill players we also need players who are going to bust a bloody gut for the claret and blue.
Thanks Alan.

#believeinthevilla  #scottishcafu   #bleedclaretandblue
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Gary Penrice on June 14, 2018, 03:57:35 PM
Great news. A player who wants to play for the club & who will always give 100%. Give him the captain's armband!
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Walmley_Villa on June 14, 2018, 04:00:31 PM
For some reason made me really happy. We obviously do have a pot...interesting days ahead.
Bizarrely everything kind of seems back to normal this week, sponsors, contracts etc.....weird.

Also means Bruce is going nowhere.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: mr underhill on June 14, 2018, 04:00:51 PM
Limited but eminently likable. Well done Cafu.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: The Edge on June 14, 2018, 04:02:17 PM
Great news. He's prepared to put is body on the line every time he pulls on the famous jersey and we're gonna need that in the coming months. Tho polar opposite of Micah Richards.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on June 14, 2018, 04:14:50 PM
If I remember right he lives Leicester way so if he has turned down 2 years at Forest for less money and only 1 year here he has my respect.


Pretty sure he doesn’t live in Leicester as I’ve seen him in Solihull and Knowle several times over the years.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: mikeb1982 on June 14, 2018, 04:25:12 PM
Got a lot of time for Hutton, great news.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Exeter 77 on June 14, 2018, 04:30:05 PM
If I remember right he lives Leicester way so if he has turned down 2 years at Forest for less money and only 1 year here he has my respect.


Pretty sure he doesn’t live in Leicester as I’ve seen him in Solihull and Knowle several times over the years.
I think he lives somewhere around Dorridge.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: GarTomas on June 14, 2018, 04:31:26 PM
Not convinced. The club most be fairly confident of moving out at least one of Taylor, AEM or De Laet etc.

At a time when we need to cut costs this seems like we’ve taken another wage on. Disappointed if it means it prevents one of the academy players coming through.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Exeter 77 on June 14, 2018, 04:34:10 PM
I thought part of De Laet's loan deal with Antwerp included a purchase clause.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Woofles The Wonder Dog on June 14, 2018, 04:45:23 PM
This has cheered me up somewhat. I like Hutton, even though he can go from ballsy to ballsup in a blink.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Drummond on June 14, 2018, 04:55:44 PM
It's a good deal this. I'm happy for him and us.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 14, 2018, 04:57:20 PM
I'm ok with him staying, i'd also have been ok with him leaving. I like his attitude but he still has limitations both attack and defence wise.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: VinnieChase84 on June 14, 2018, 04:58:23 PM
If I remember right he lives Leicester way so if he has turned down 2 years at Forest for less money and only 1 year here he has my respect.


Pretty sure he doesn’t live in Leicester as I’ve seen him in Solihull and Knowle several times over the years.

He lives in Knowle I believe. Morton’s in dickens heath he frequents quite a bit
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: achilles on June 14, 2018, 05:41:20 PM
I'm ok with him staying, i'd also have been ok with him leaving. I like his attitude but he still has limitations both attack and defence wise.

I would rather have another ten like him, even with his limitations, who turn up, want to play for us and don't hide when the going gets tough! UTV
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: GarTomas on June 14, 2018, 05:44:31 PM
I'm ok with him staying, i'd also have been ok with him leaving. I like his attitude but he still has limitations both attack and defence wise.

I would rather have another ten like him, even with his limitations, who turn up, want to play for us and don't hide when the going gets tough! UTV

I think as a club we’ve had so many players who seem to suffer from the don’t give a toss attitude in recent years that we’re more accepting of players like Hutton who are limited but offer 100%
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 14, 2018, 05:50:19 PM
Best news since the Playoff Final.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Bad English on June 14, 2018, 05:53:23 PM
Blessed day!
Praise be!
May the Lord open!
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Nunkin1965 on June 14, 2018, 05:59:17 PM
Great news.
Exactly what we needed.
I’ll take his limitations because we need players who will fight for the cause.
Could have gone to other clubs with a lot less shite so respect to him for staying and giving it a go.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 14, 2018, 05:59:21 PM
Makes sense and good solid option. I would like to see Bree gradually displace him.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Nunkin1965 on June 14, 2018, 06:12:20 PM
Makes sense and good solid option. I would like to see Bree gradually displace him.

Yes “solid” sums it up really.
And Jesus we need something positive to happen at the moment.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: OCD on June 14, 2018, 06:15:22 PM
Makes sense and good solid option. I would like to see Bree gradually displace him.

Hutton was better at left back last season so Bree's main rival is Elmohamady.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Richard on June 14, 2018, 06:21:48 PM
I'd have Bree Hutton Elmo and whoever plays left back for the reserves next season - Taylor and RDL sold please
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on June 14, 2018, 06:24:22 PM
I would rather have another ten like him, even with his limitations, who turn up, want to play for us and don't hide when the going gets tough! UTV

What does this even mean ?

It's ok to turn up and play shit because they turned up at all ?

Wembley says different.

Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: paul_e on June 14, 2018, 06:30:34 PM
I'd have Bree Hutton Elmo and whoever plays left back for the reserves next season - Taylor and RDL sold please

Perfect world I'd keep RDL and sell Elmo instead because that gives us a guy who covers the entire backline so we'd only then need to add a centre back as a starter and bring a couple of the kids through to have the depth we'd need. However RDL looks easier to move on and Bruce wouldn't sell Elmo so we'll probably end up needing to sign at least 2 more defenders to balance things out.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Nunkin1965 on June 14, 2018, 06:31:47 PM
Wembley feels like 20 years ago now to me.
We are looking at a completely different world now in footy terms.
Not sure we need 11 Alan Huttons but right now we need a few more with his attitude.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: West Derby Villan on June 14, 2018, 06:49:58 PM
Positive news at last, we need fighters with heart and that's what the Scottish Cafu brings, very pleased with this
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: CT on June 14, 2018, 07:20:02 PM
Positive news at last, we need fighters with heart and that's what the Scottish Cafu brings, very pleased with this

This. Welcome home TSC!
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: JUAN PABLO on June 14, 2018, 07:21:01 PM
I'd have Bree Hutton Elmo and whoever plays left back for the reserves next season - Taylor and RDL sold please

Perfect world I'd keep RDL and sell Elmo instead because that gives us a guy who covers the entire backline so we'd only then need to add a centre back as a starter and bring a couple of the kids through to have the depth we'd need. However RDL looks easier to move on and Bruce wouldn't sell Elmo so we'll probably end up needing to sign at least 2 more defenders to balance things out.

RDL is pacey too , which the team has been missing a bit of pace
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Big Dick Edwards on June 14, 2018, 07:32:05 PM
Wow! The guy's passion for our club really comes across in that interview. We need as much of that attitude around the squad as we can possibly get.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Pete3206 on June 14, 2018, 07:53:16 PM
You Mr Cafu, are most definitely fit to wear the shirt. 
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: exigo on June 14, 2018, 08:12:30 PM
Good news for this season. And hopefully good to have him in the dressing room as more kids come through.
Cowans will have given them the skill, the Scottish Cafu can give them the attitude.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 14, 2018, 08:27:47 PM
Good news for this season. And hopefully good to have him in the dressing room as more kids come through.
Cowans will have given them the skill, the Scottish Cafu can give them the attitude.
Hopefully some one can work on positional sense.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on June 14, 2018, 08:34:36 PM
Good news for this season. And hopefully good to have him in the dressing room as more kids come through.
Cowans will have given them the skill, the Scottish Cafu can give them the attitude.
Hopefully some one can work on positional sense.


He's coming 34. I can't see him suddenly discovering the art of defensive positioning or crossing the ball now

Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: OCD on June 14, 2018, 08:48:31 PM
I'd have Bree Hutton Elmo and whoever plays left back for the reserves next season - Taylor and RDL sold please

Perfect world I'd keep RDL and sell Elmo instead because that gives us a guy who covers the entire backline so we'd only then need to add a centre back as a starter and bring a couple of the kids through to have the depth we'd need. However RDL looks easier to move on and Bruce wouldn't sell Elmo so we'll probably end up needing to sign at least 2 more defenders to balance things out.

I would rather have a player who's good in one position (and at this level, I think he is) than one who is ok but can play different positions. It's probably easier to bring kids through if there aren't players who can play in multiple positions, especially with Bruce in charge as I can imagine him sticking with favourites playing out of position than throwing kids in where he doesn't need to.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 14, 2018, 08:50:32 PM
I'd have Bree Hutton Elmo and whoever plays left back for the reserves next season - Taylor and RDL sold please

Perfect world I'd keep RDL and sell Elmo instead because that gives us a guy who covers the entire backline so we'd only then need to add a centre back as a starter and bring a couple of the kids through to have the depth we'd need. However RDL looks easier to move on and Bruce wouldn't sell Elmo so we'll probably end up needing to sign at least 2 more defenders to balance things out.

I would rather have a player who's good in one position (and at this level, I think he is) than one who is ok but can play different positions. It's probably easier to bring kids through if there aren't players who can play in multiple positions, especially with Bruce in charge as I can imagine him sticking with favourites playing out of position than throwing kids in where he doesn't need to.
Yep Bruce will go with tried and trusted old farts, it’s what Bruce does.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Ian. on June 14, 2018, 09:06:30 PM
Great news, he’s a goodun, I like him a lot. Great attitude and very good in this division.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 14, 2018, 09:10:02 PM
I think as much as anything it’s good as a signal of positivity. It seems to indicate the squad won’t be completely destroyed.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: DB on June 14, 2018, 10:28:45 PM
Like him or not, he must have been given assurances on the future or the club and manager. I am glad he is staying.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: brontebilly on June 14, 2018, 10:55:13 PM
Ends the stream of bad news. Thought Hutton given his age and our multitude of right back options was one of the expendable ones but performances last season did deserve another year.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: ktvillan on June 14, 2018, 11:12:13 PM
See Fulham's goal a typical example of why I'm quite Meh! about this.  He has been the best left back at the club recently but that really isn't saying much.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: tomd2103 on June 15, 2018, 12:37:00 AM
Ends the stream of bad news. Thought Hutton given his age and our multitude of right back options was one of the expendable ones but performances last season did deserve another year.

He did deserve another year, but it suggests one of two things for me.  Either there is a bit of money about and some of the other full-back options are going out, or we are going into next season with four senior right backs again and not one single lesson has been learnt from the past couple of seasons. 
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: eamonn on June 15, 2018, 12:51:48 AM
Yes, I do like him as a pro and if he starts the season at left full back I won't be too disappointed but I want Bree to get a long spell of games on the right to see if he's up to it.

Most importantly, this news surely suggests that we're in less financial trouble than feared.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: tomd2103 on June 15, 2018, 12:56:03 AM
Yes, I do like him as a pro and if he starts the season at left full back I won't be too disappointed but I want Bree to get a long spell of games on the right to see if he's up to it.

Most importantly, this news surely suggests that we're in less financial trouble than feared.

I wouldn't be that bothered either if he started the season as first choice left back and one of De Laet / Elmohamdy or Bree started on the other side.  If that were to be the case then one of De Laet or Elmohamady really needs to go over the summer, as does Taylor. 
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Rotterdam 82 on June 15, 2018, 01:03:18 AM
Isn't it just possible that it works out cheaper to sign him up for a further season, on a lower salary, than buying a replacement or paying a loan fee plus whatever wages to an  incomer?

Having said that, I'm delighted that we've given him another season.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: mr underhill on June 15, 2018, 07:32:33 AM
one or two of our plethora of right backs needs to go. I'd keep Bree as i honestly think he has talent.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: cheltenhamlion on June 15, 2018, 08:29:12 AM
Hutton is earning pennies compared to his old salary and knocked back an extra year (And ten grand a week) from elsewhere. He will do for me.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: dave shelley on June 15, 2018, 08:30:24 AM
Hutton is earning pennies compared to his old salary and knocked back an extra year (And ten grand a week) from elsewhere. He will do for me.

Et moi.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: GarTomas on June 15, 2018, 08:32:00 AM
Hutton is earning pennies compared to his old salary and knocked back an extra year (And ten grand a week) from elsewhere. He will do for me.

Admirable from a player who is now our longest serving player?

If true very pleasing and a good example for the rest of the squad; assume it means Bruce is staying (which I’m not a fan of) and/or that at least one of De Laet, Elmo or Taylor are being moved on (which I am a fan of)
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: cheltenhamlion on June 15, 2018, 08:33:36 AM
The jury is still out on Bruce and we won't hear one way or another for a couple of weeks. Not ideal but that is the way it is.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: JD on June 15, 2018, 08:45:56 AM
He might not be the best player but he obviously loves Villa and will no doubt give 100% effort every week.

Good news. 
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Nev on June 15, 2018, 08:55:42 AM
Hutton's worth may be as equal off the pitch as on, the value of team spirit and a mature voice behind the scenes was more than evident last season.

In a summer of, so far, negatives, this is a positive.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: JD on June 15, 2018, 09:01:01 AM
Hutton's worth may be as equal off the pitch as on, the value of team spirit and a mature voice behind the scenes was more than evident last season.

In a summer of, so far, negatives, this is a positive.

Totally agree Nev. His professionalism and dedication will hopefully help some of the younger players.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Rigadon on June 15, 2018, 09:39:39 AM
Great news
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: ROBBO on June 15, 2018, 09:44:19 AM
Great attitude yes makes mistakes but which full back doesn't, Hope we hang on to Grealish he must put five thousand onto gate receipts.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Drummond on June 15, 2018, 11:20:33 AM
one or two of our plethora of right backs needs to go. I'd keep Bree as i honestly think he has talent.

Hutton left with Taylor as cover, Bree on the right.

Elmo to be right wing with Snoddy going.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on June 15, 2018, 12:26:16 PM


Can anyone pinpoint what Hutton is actually good at as a footballer?

And i mean on the pitch, week in week out.

Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: chrisw1 on June 15, 2018, 01:03:50 PM


Can anyone pinpoint what Hutton is actually good at as a footballer?

And i mean on the pitch, week in week out.


You mean other than being the best fullback at the club and one of the better fullbacks in the league?
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on June 15, 2018, 01:49:45 PM


Can anyone pinpoint what Hutton is actually good at as a footballer?

And i mean on the pitch, week in week out.


You mean other than being the best fullback at the club and one of the better fullbacks in the league?


That's not really answered the question though has it ?

Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Drummond on June 15, 2018, 01:54:26 PM


Can anyone pinpoint what Hutton is actually good at as a footballer?

And i mean on the pitch, week in week out.


You mean other than being the best fullback at the club and one of the better fullbacks in the league?


That's not really answered the question though has it ?

Yes it does. It just isn't the reply you wanted.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: jwarry on June 15, 2018, 01:59:19 PM
I must admit I’m not really a Hutton fan, but right now he is the kind of player we need
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Blagg on June 15, 2018, 02:17:11 PM
There are two alternative futures.  One in which Alan Hutton is no longer a Villa player, the other in which he is still playing for us and is the best fullback in League Two
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Ads on June 15, 2018, 02:22:48 PM
Erm?
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on June 15, 2018, 02:35:39 PM


Can anyone pinpoint what Hutton is actually good at as a footballer?

And i mean on the pitch, week in week out.


You mean other than being the best fullback at the club and one of the better fullbacks in the league?


That's not really answered the question though has it ?

Yes it does. It just isn't the reply you wanted.


No, i wanted someone to the question. As i just said.

Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on June 15, 2018, 02:56:45 PM
No, i wanted someone to the question. As i just said.

He is easily the best fullback at the club. He is tenacious, strong in the tackle, and breaks forward well. He is excellent at marking. The downside is that at the end of his runs he lacks a good cross, but the fact he makes the runs tends to create space for our forwards anyway, which he gets little credit for.

Plus he has a very good attitude and clearly loves playing for the club.

I am very glad he is staying put.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: paul_e on June 15, 2018, 03:05:07 PM
To answer the question (as someone who has complained about Hutton plenty of times on here) He's a good man marker, he's pretty quick and he works hard. It's also hard to criticise his attitude and determination and he seems to have eventually learned how to tackle without risking a red card.

Where he struggles is where he's marking an area because he tends to not pick up runners and he's a waste of space in the opposition half.  The former is why the idea of him covering at centre back scares the shit out of me and the latter is why he's better on the left than the right because he plays with a lot more discipline and sticks to what he can do.

In the championship, when we've got no money to fund a decent replacement, I'm ok with him staying around for another year despite thinking he's easily the most over-rated player in the squad right now.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 15, 2018, 03:05:20 PM
The jury is still out on Bruce and we won't hear one way or another for a couple of weeks. Not ideal but that is the way it is.

I imagine Chelts given his personal challenges and with all this other stuff about to blow up, the future of the manager wasn’t an immediate priority. And who, as much as I want him gone, if we sort out the finances as best as possible him being in charge in the grand scheme of all of the crap going down around us isn’t the end of the world.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: old man villa fan on June 15, 2018, 04:13:56 PM
No, i wanted someone to the question. As i just said.

He is easily the best fullback at the club. He is tenacious, strong in the tackle, and breaks forward well. He is excellent at marking. The downside is that at the end of his runs he lacks a good cross, but the fact he makes the runs tends to create space for our forwards anyway, which he gets little credit for.

Plus he has a very good attitude and clearly loves playing for the club.

I am very glad he is staying put.

I would disagree on creating space. I think he holds on to the ball too long when he is running with it and reduces the space. The play becomes congested, the game slows down and we end up passing the ball backwards.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: tomd2103 on June 15, 2018, 04:17:37 PM
one or two of our plethora of right backs needs to go. I'd keep Bree as i honestly think he has talent.

Hutton left with Taylor as cover, Bree on the right.

Elmo to be right wing with Snoddy going.

Yep, if Elmohamady is going to be used primarily as a winger next season and it means we won't have to bring one in, I think we could probably keep De Laet, Bree, Hutton and Taylor as our full-back options (though Taylor will probably be a bit too costly to be a reserve). 
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: paul_e on June 15, 2018, 04:23:51 PM
one or two of our plethora of right backs needs to go. I'd keep Bree as i honestly think he has talent.

Hutton left with Taylor as cover, Bree on the right.

Elmo to be right wing with Snoddy going.

Yep, if Elmohamady is going to be used primarily as a winger next season and it means we won't have to bring one in, I think we could probably keep De Laet, Bree, Hutton and Taylor as our full-back options (though Taylor will probably be a bit too costly to be a reserve). 

If Elmohamady is going to be used primarily as a winger next season then he will, effectively, be the replacement for Snodgrass, let that sink in for a moment.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: tomd2103 on June 15, 2018, 04:28:11 PM
one or two of our plethora of right backs needs to go. I'd keep Bree as i honestly think he has talent.

Hutton left with Taylor as cover, Bree on the right.

Elmo to be right wing with Snoddy going.

Yep, if Elmohamady is going to be used primarily as a winger next season and it means we won't have to bring one in, I think we could probably keep De Laet, Bree, Hutton and Taylor as our full-back options (though Taylor will probably be a bit too costly to be a reserve). 

If Elmohamady is going to be used primarily as a winger next season then he will, effectively, be the replacement for Snodgrass, let that sink in for a moment.

If Bruce stays and we manage to keep hold of Grealish, then i think he will continue with the same formation we had since the start of the New Year.  If they are still here, I would like to see us try and bring in a striker and have Kodjia starting on the left of the three with Adomah on the right and Green and Elmohamady providing cover.  Lot of 'ifs' there!!
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: paul_e on June 15, 2018, 04:31:01 PM
If Bruce stays and we manage to keep hold of Grealish, then i think he will continue with the same formation we had since the start of the New Year.  If they are still here, I would like to see us try and bring in a striker and have Kodjia starting on the left of the three with Adomah on the right and Green and Elmohamady providing cover.  Lot of 'ifs' there!!

The only if that really concerns me is the one in "what if Adomah or Kodjia are injured elong term and Elmo has to play regularly".
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on June 15, 2018, 05:08:37 PM
If Bruce stays and we manage to keep hold of Grealish, then i think he will continue with the same formation we had since the start of the New Year.  If they are still here, I would like to see us try and bring in a striker and have Kodjia starting on the left of the three with Adomah on the right and Green and Elmohamady providing cover.  Lot of 'ifs' there!!

With both Davies and RHM available i can't see us even thinking of bringing in another striker. Well unless we sell Kodjia and with his injuries i'd be amazed if anyone took that gamble this summer

Hogan, Kodjia, RHM and Davies should be ample really. And then we have Fat Toss to add to that if he's sorted himself out
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: 260475 on June 15, 2018, 05:14:47 PM
Adomah is predominantly left footed, so why would you play him on the right?
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: old man villa fan on June 15, 2018, 05:26:48 PM
Adomah is predominantly left footed, so why would you play him on the right?

Right footed.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: 260475 on June 15, 2018, 05:39:17 PM
OK stand corrected. His right foot crosses from the left side weren't the best quality though. So maybe he was out of position.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: sickbeggar on June 15, 2018, 10:03:51 PM
Well i'm not begrudge him getting a new contract though why they announced earlier he wasn't getting one is bewildering. Where they that confident of going up and not wanting him?
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: adrenachrome on June 16, 2018, 12:11:41 AM
Well i'm not begrudge him getting a new contract though why they announced earlier he wasn't getting one is bewildering. Where they that confident of going up and not wanting him?

There are a few other anomalies on that list. SB was quite clear that Hutton would be here next season if he had say on the matter.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: IFWaters on June 17, 2018, 04:14:08 PM
just renewed
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: LeeB on June 17, 2018, 05:57:52 PM
just renewed

Good man, respect to you.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Damo70 on June 17, 2018, 06:11:56 PM
https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1007238982378381318

New contract!

Bloody hell, clicking on that Twatter link doesn't half make me glad I stick to H&V for my Villa discussions.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Gregorys Boy on June 17, 2018, 06:40:27 PM
Before long Hutton will be signing on his tenth year at the club.  Sometimes its as if time has stood still ::)
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: IFWaters on June 17, 2018, 06:50:02 PM
just renewed

Good man, respect to you.

All the news, as it happens.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Ads on June 17, 2018, 06:52:17 PM
You'll enjoy it.

We're pretty formidable at home; 5 defeats in the league in 46 games.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Clampy on June 17, 2018, 09:56:27 PM
Well i'm not begrudge him getting a new contract though why they announced earlier he wasn't getting one is bewildering. Where they that confident of going up and not wanting him?

Did the club announce he was being released though or was that just the papers? I don't seem to recall the club saying anything to be fair.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Risso on June 17, 2018, 09:58:44 PM
He was on the list of released players.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Richard E on June 17, 2018, 09:59:47 PM
Prior to Black Saturday the suggestion was that he was in line for a new contract regardless of the result.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Lastfootstamper on June 17, 2018, 10:16:12 PM
Well i'm not begrudge him getting a new contract though why they announced earlier he wasn't getting one is bewildering. Where they that confident of going up and not wanting him?

Did the club announce he was being released though or was that just the papers? I don't seem to recall the club saying anything to be fair.

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Steve Bruce has confirmed Aston Villa are NOT in a position to offer Alan Hutton a new contract due to their ongoing battle with Financial Fair Play.

Hutton, 33, has been in excellent form for Villa this season and Bruce has selected him from the start in 16 of the last 18 Championship fixtures.

The Scottish defender is out of contract at the end of the season and recently approached the manager to discuss the possibility of a renewal only to be told an extension was off the table.

Despite Hutton’s disappointment, Bruce insists it’s ‘not the end of the world’ for the defender and expects plenty of suitors. The Villa manager also refused to rule out a u-turn - but that depends on what division Villa are in come the end of the campaign.

“I think I said to Alan, I had to be honest with him to say, ‘Look, at this position where we are we’re not in a position to offer anybody a new contract’,” Bruce told Birmingham Mail columnist Tom Ross.

“The way the situation with the club is in finances and Financial Fair Play and I think we all need to know where we are, whether we’re in the Championship or we’re in the Premier League - if we’re in the Championship we’ll have to cut, it’s as straightforward as that.

“I’ve spoken to the people above me and we’re not in a position to offer anybody a new contract just yet. Alan Hutton has been in a situation where I’ve been here for 15 months and he’s done terrifically well. But we’ll have to look after the club and sometimes my job is to look after the club too.

“Let’s see where we are and see what happens. It’s not the end of the world for Alan Hutton because I’ve no doubt there will be takers from what we’re seeing at the moment. For a 33-year-old, it’s quite remarkable his fitness levels and what he trains like every day.

“He knows what I think of him but at this situation in time we’re not in a position to go forward with any of them.”

Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: footyskillz on August 08, 2018, 11:51:35 AM
Looking at this ! Needs an update ! And come on H And V let's honour him !!

We have a thread and am nearly amazed it's not been spoken on as I'm amazed by the goal v Hull!!

An amazing display.
I think only one (silly) foul and must be managed right . Rotation at times but is absolutely superb on way he played and despite the ridiculous yellow ( come on ref he's scores like one every 7 years) I was super happy seeing him and the Villa faithful .

Scottish cafu is affectionate witticism that I can get a bit more now ( despite perhaps a villa chant irony?? ) It was certainly of a high calibre.

Man of match for me and not Elmo.
Well played Alan Hutton!!
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: chrisw1 on August 08, 2018, 12:00:07 PM
I've been fond of Hutton for a good while now.  As far as I'm concerned he was one of the few who could hold his head high during the seasons leading to relegation and in my view has been one of our better players whilst in the Championship.

He's been a very decent servant to the club and I'm glad he's still on board.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: clash city rocker on August 08, 2018, 05:13:16 PM
His attitude has always been a credit to him. Even in friendlies he plays the same as he would in a league match.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: adrenachrome on August 08, 2018, 06:10:28 PM
That's why they love this man at Villa Park (https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/1026564178457309184)
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: OCD on August 08, 2018, 06:54:56 PM
His professionalism, loyalty and heart can't be questioned. Oddly looked a better left back last season than he did at right back and marked Traore out of the play-off games. For where we are, he's just what we need.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 08, 2018, 06:57:17 PM
I love him.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 08, 2018, 06:58:54 PM
I love him more.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: dave shelley on August 08, 2018, 07:09:03 PM
I love him best, so there.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Risso on August 08, 2018, 07:10:35 PM
He's been great.  Brilliant attitude and looks very good in either full back position.  The play off final error was mostly John Terry's fault as well.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 08, 2018, 07:17:05 PM
He’s an admirable character, I feel like he’s properly fought for his Villa career.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Clampy on August 08, 2018, 07:18:38 PM
He won me over when he went to left back. I thought he was hopeless at right back when he first come if I'm honest but what a class act he's been in terms of commitment and attitude.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Rigadon on August 08, 2018, 07:23:09 PM
Was my favourite player at times last season.   He had stoning games at left back and was delighted when he was given another year. 
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 08, 2018, 07:24:39 PM
There's only one thing better than a great Villa goal and that's the scene of Villa fans going crazy celebrating one. Tuesday nights images were right up there with Gabby scoring at the Sty. The fact we were already 2-1 up only confirms how much the Villa fans must love Hutton, especially those that see him week in, week out.

I started to see towards the end of last season Hutton has a few more tricks in his locker and isn't afraid to use them. A few more goals this season would be no more than the man deserves.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: footyskillz on August 11, 2018, 07:53:25 AM
Was player of match v Hull (unlike Elmo who sky awards to)

I would expect a couple more goals and assists as he is at home today

But in all seriousness deserve to keep his place.

What would be interesting in any 3-5-2 this season if he played in the back 3 .

Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: supertom on August 11, 2018, 12:45:54 PM
Hutton's turnaround here has been nothing short of astonishing. His attitude an absolute credit. His first season was dire. Then the bomb squad debacle left most feeling that he, along with a few others, was a turd that wouldn't flush.
That he never bad mouthed us and that he came back and gave 110% when we sheepishly reversed the bomb squad, was also testament to what a top pro the man is (because we treated him like shite). When he did get the call back I thought he played well. In our relegation season he was one of a handful who could hold their heads up and say they gave it their best. Since we dropped, he's been a reliable pro further still. Every time you think it's the end of the road here for Hutt's, he turns it around. He's also chosen to stay here on a one year deal rather than walk away to offers of two year deals at other clubs which were put before him and at his age that's very commendable. It's clear to me he loves the club, he's got great affinity with the fans and he's also kept himself in great nick. You could see in his face when he scored that goal just how much it meant to him. Wonderful scenes.

At the end of McLeish's season, not one of us thought Alan Hutton would still be here beyond 2013, let alone 2019. It's astonishing but McGrath love him, he's a cult hero. I suspect I may not be alone, but I may find that I get a bit of dust in my eyes around the fateful day when he finally waves goodbye to the club. That's going to be a sad day for me.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: eamonn on August 11, 2018, 01:03:43 PM
Well-put, Thomas.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: KevinGage on August 11, 2018, 01:21:19 PM
They keep offering sacrifices to the bald god Hut Ton. If you think about it that way, it makes sense.

The more full-backs we sign (or attempt to) the more his powers grow. Scoring Maradona-esque goals now and allsorts.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Risso on August 11, 2018, 02:58:37 PM
Agree Supertom.  It wouldn't surpise me at all if he completes a full 10 years here.  He's well deserving of a testimonial when he does hang up his boots anyway.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Deano's Mullet on August 11, 2018, 09:52:49 PM
He did a kind of pirrouete on the ball today beating a defender -  this was in the first half - that if Ryan Giggs had done it the media would have been gushing over.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: footyskillz on August 12, 2018, 08:43:42 AM
Would have preferred him a right back just because that's where he plays !

He's not the same on left despite efforts and causing issue with him and Jedinak as left centre back
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: footyskillz on August 22, 2018, 09:26:57 AM
Bruce has some very good words on Aston Villa’s longest-serving player, Alan Hutton:

“If I had 11 players like Alan Hutton, with his desire, enthusiastic and work ethic, I’d take that,”

"He was in the bomb-squad a few times but I’ve picked him more than anyone and he’s as fit now as he was when I had him at Sunderland a few years ago,”

“The way he trains and looks after himself and his fitness levels are quite ridiculous for his age.

“He never misses training, touch wood. He trains and plays like it’s his last day

“He’s grasped one thing more than most – that when you get a bit older you have to work harder at it because it doesn’t come as naturally to you as it did when you were 24.

“So he works and trains and looks after himself and runs.

“There can’t be a better 33-year-old physically, I think that would be impossible.

“He’s in wonderful condition and that’s all down to him. Terrific he is.

“No matter what kind of supporter you are they associate with that. They know he had a bit of a tough time but he rolls his sleeves up and he gets on with it and gives you everything he’s got, week-in, week-out.

“I think I’ve picked him more than any other player since I’ve been here. He epitomises what I want from my players.

“Yes, he makes the odd mistake now and again, don’t we all? But by God I love his attitude to being a professional footballer and the way he plays is quite refreshing these days."
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: ktvillan on August 22, 2018, 11:39:17 AM
I still don't rate him, has done well going forward on the left but still can't defend.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Hoppo on August 25, 2018, 09:39:53 PM
An absolute shocker today. A shit right back having a mare at stand in left back.
Distribution of an Amazon Prime delivery driver.
Running like he has a bomb stuck to his foot.

Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: London Villan on August 25, 2018, 09:44:38 PM
Great attitude, poor footballer. Adequate for this level though.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: villan from luton on August 25, 2018, 09:51:41 PM
We need a left footer at left back, Hutton slows the game down coming back onto his right foot. I love Hutton's attitude, but he should be right back or nowhere
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: mcgrath_85 on August 25, 2018, 09:57:31 PM
We need a left footer at left back, Hutton slows the game down coming back onto his right foot. I love Hutton's attitude, but he should be right back or nowhere

It’s difficult when we have 5 rights backs.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: villan from luton on August 25, 2018, 10:04:11 PM
We need a left footer at left back, Hutton slows the game down coming back onto his right foot. I love Hutton's attitude, but he should be right back or nowhere

It’s difficult when we have 5 rights backs.


Well maybe play one of them right back and play Axel in the centre.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Ad@m on August 25, 2018, 10:16:02 PM
We need a left footer at left back, Hutton slows the game down coming back onto his right foot. I love Hutton's attitude, but he should be right back or nowhere

It’s difficult when we have 5 rights backs.


Especially as the manager thinks it's a good idea to play them anywhere but right back.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Steve67 on August 25, 2018, 10:19:51 PM
Hutton isn't good enough to play right back.  That must mean that Taylor is super shit if he cannot get in past Hutton at left back. 
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: West Derby Villan on August 26, 2018, 12:28:40 AM
We need a left footer at left back, Hutton slows the game down coming back onto his right foot. I love Hutton's attitude, but he should be right back or nowhere

It’s difficult when we have 5 rights backs.


Well maybe play one of them right back and play Axel in the centre.


Ohhh radical, never catch on
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: wittonwarrior on August 27, 2018, 05:43:38 PM
Taylor has been poor since that Coleman incident- he is so hesitant. Hutton remains a liability at left back ala chester’s Booking in the po final
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 27, 2018, 06:25:11 PM
Having one player out of position in the back 4 if it is Hutton is not perfect but ok.
We only have one player in the back 4 in his natural position, this is the problem.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 27, 2018, 06:35:58 PM
I love Hutton to bits and overall he's more than decent but I don't think I can recall a player that refuses to cross the ball. He'll get himself in a great position to swing one in and instead he lays it back for somebody else to make the cross. On Saturday it was depressingly funny watching several Villa players refusing to cross the ball. Just another page in book, 'Aston Villa 2000 to Infinity - What the Hell Do They Do at Bodymoor Heath?'.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: mr underhill on August 28, 2018, 06:59:15 AM
this might be a season too far for Cafu, but then the whole defense looks hugely weaker than it did last season. Terry back please.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: TheMalandro on August 28, 2018, 07:55:19 AM
Having one player out of position in the back 4 if it is Hutton is not perfect but ok.
We only have one player in the back 4 in his natural position, this is the problem.

It's beyond comprehension.

All we need is a steady, well organised defence.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Mortimer's Bear on August 28, 2018, 08:46:03 AM
Surely Elphick will start tonight alongside Chester.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: footyskillz on September 01, 2018, 10:05:10 AM
Will be in at left back selection for Bruce I think today v Sheff utd
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Brassneck on October 06, 2018, 07:51:44 PM
Anyone see Hutton at the end today?

He didn’t appear to be impressed with some of the away fans.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on October 06, 2018, 08:08:19 PM
A bigger ****** I've yet to see wearing a villa shirt.Embarrassing.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: villalion on October 06, 2018, 08:13:22 PM
A bigger c*** I've yet to see wearing a villa shirt.Embarrassing.
Alpay?
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on October 06, 2018, 08:15:24 PM
A bigger c*** I've yet to see wearing a villa shirt.Embarrassing.
Alpay?
Not even him.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: hilts_coolerking on October 06, 2018, 09:28:07 PM
A bigger c*** I've yet to see wearing a villa shirt.Embarrassing.
Hodge.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Singapore Villa on October 07, 2018, 02:47:40 AM
What happened with Hutton at Millwall?
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on October 07, 2018, 06:40:24 AM
Obviously I like Hutton but I guess he’ll be another one unhappy his mate has been sacked. There’s going to be splits in the camp now I would imagine.  Another bomb squad looms.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: mr underhill on October 07, 2018, 08:06:37 AM
like many others he's been total shite all season
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: The_ads on October 07, 2018, 08:14:51 AM
Hutton the cult hero vs Hutton the footballer is the reason we are languishing in the championship. Fundamentally he is an awful footballer
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Mister E on October 07, 2018, 08:24:00 AM
Anyone see Hutton at the end today?

He didn’t appear to be impressed with some of the away fans.
What happened?
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Brassneck on October 07, 2018, 08:28:08 AM
Anyone see Hutton at the end today?

He didn’t appear to be impressed with some of the away fans.
What happened?

Jack came up to the fans and was on his own, walking along the goal line.  Most of the other players didn't come too far over towards the Villa fans.  Hutton was stood on his own around the 18 yard line looking very angry at one particular section of the away fans.  I hadn't heard any booing and wonder if they had been making gestures.  Hutton just stood there staring, not clapping.  He then turned back and walked a couple of steps towards the players tunnel before stopping, turning around and staring again at the same section of fans.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Mister E on October 07, 2018, 08:31:46 AM
Anyone see Hutton at the end today?

He didn’t appear to be impressed with some of the away fans.
What happened?

Jack came up to the fans and was on his own, walking along the goal line.  Most of the other players didn't come too far over towards the Villa fans.  Hutton was stood on his own around the 18 yard line looking very angry at one particular section of the away fans.  I hadn't heard any booing and wonder if they had been making gestures.  Hutton just stood there staring, not clapping.  He then turned back and walked a couple of steps towards the players tunnel before stopping, turning around and staring again at the same section of fans.
hmmm. Weird.

Thx for explaining.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Ads on October 07, 2018, 08:32:53 AM
There was quite a few giving the team stick as they came across. Hutton stopped and starred at them and did a bit of a shrug.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: chrisw1 on October 07, 2018, 08:33:48 AM
A bigger c*** I've yet to see wearing a villa shirt.Embarrassing.
Alpay?
Pathetic comment.  Not the best player but a million miles from the worst. And so what if he got angry at some fans, he's a passionate bloke.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Allan C on October 07, 2018, 08:42:04 AM
Agreed but I think he’s a lot closer than a million miles from the worst player. More like 50 miles
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Tayls_7 on October 07, 2018, 08:56:33 AM
Hutton will be angry because Nan loved him and he probably feels we were pivotal in the sacking.  He might also feel he puts in a shift and that should preclude him from criticism no matter how shit they are.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Ads on October 07, 2018, 08:57:08 AM
He didn't look angry he just looked stumped.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: manic-road on October 07, 2018, 09:07:55 AM
like many others he's been total shite all season

Like many others he has been played out of position all season.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Axl Rose on October 07, 2018, 09:13:22 AM
A dreadful player. And he's not alone.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: mr underhill on October 07, 2018, 09:29:00 AM
manic, you could play Hutton in position and he's still shite.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: chrisw1 on October 07, 2018, 10:16:20 AM
In the sea of shitness of the last few years I just have no idea why the one player who can hold his head high throughout once again becomes the scapegoat
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Three Spires Villa on October 07, 2018, 01:26:10 PM
In what world is Hutton a left sided centre half?  Crazy. At Millwall yesterday at the end he came over but I think he was getting some stick, I couldn’t see to much, but gave some stares for a bit and walked off
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: brontebilly on October 07, 2018, 02:40:37 PM
Started last season as our fourth choice right back and ended up being our best full back by a distance. Did a very decent job at left back for a lot of last season luckily for Bruce, crucial mistake v Fulham aside. Like Jedinak, this seems a season too far though.

Harsh to have a go based on yesterday.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on October 07, 2018, 03:43:59 PM

Was shit, is shit and will always be shit.

I'll never understand the worship this bloke gets from some.

If I didn't know better i'd swear it was a wind up.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Taylor on October 07, 2018, 03:47:44 PM
I was at the game yesterday, I thought he was one player who did alright.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Risso on October 07, 2018, 03:48:16 PM

Was shit, is shit and will always be shit.

I'll never understand the worship this bloke gets from some.

If I didn't know better i'd swear it was a wind up.

That's a bit rich given your worship of Bruce.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: TonyD on October 07, 2018, 04:11:31 PM
I can’t help but like Hutton. 
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: langleylions on October 07, 2018, 04:44:33 PM
This guy despite years of shit has become abit of a comedy hero to people when if you look past the heating chest and hacking people down he is what he has always been ......SHIT . THE guy has burgled a very good living off aston villa and all he seems to have to do is show he cares ffs .
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: CT on October 07, 2018, 04:49:20 PM
This guy despite years of shit has become abit of a comedy hero to people when if you look past the heating chest and hacking people down he is what he has always been ......SHIT . THE guy has burgled a very good living off aston villa and all he seems to have to do is show he cares ffs .

I guess the "caring" part shows up more because we've had so many players who blatantly haven't given a shit about playing for us and have coasted through games without breaking sweat.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Jon Crofts on October 07, 2018, 04:52:59 PM
Hutton joining Villa coincides nicely with us being shite. He's a clogger, a hoofer, a terrible footballer who somehow has achieved cult status, no idea how but in my eyes he'll always be shite.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: mr underhill on October 07, 2018, 04:53:27 PM
i love the Scottish Cafu stuff as much as the next fan but its all just smoke and mirrors really - a courageous run here, a well judged pass there (or thereabouts) but the reality is, for all the puffed out chest thumping, he basically contributes less than a fire lighter at a Ku Klux Klan cook out. A season too far, thus far, for Alan.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Blagg on October 07, 2018, 04:57:07 PM
The Scottish Cafu has seen off more managers than any other Villa player I can think of.  That’s five sacked now isn’t it?  He isn’t very good but his work rate and apparent ability to care have blinded too many.  So many goals over the last seven years have been accompanied by Hutton jogging back into the area, or sitting on his backside next to the bloke who scored.

Really though the fact that Hutton has been one of our better players in the last year says a lot about the level of the rest of them, and why we have only finished in the top half of any division once while he’s been here.  The sooner we have a team that’s too good for him to get in, the better.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: SheffieldVillain on October 07, 2018, 06:29:59 PM
He's a walking summary of Bruce's shit reign. Not his fault obviously, but nonetheless if the best that can be said of him is that he's better than Taylor, Richards and a young kid in Bree that isn't really a massive compliment.

"As long as you roll your sleeves up and have a go, that's all I ask." No mention of actually being good enough.

Too many right backs? Hutton out of contract? FFP an issue? Give Hutton another contract then loan out a perfectly adequate right back in De Laet while still paying some of his wages as well as loaning out a promising kid in Clark. Mental.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: wittonwarrior on October 07, 2018, 06:56:55 PM
Very average  player who gives 110% but appears to be the cousin  of some famous  ex  player.  He does have his moments occasionally to be fair.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: AV82EC on October 08, 2018, 05:28:26 PM
It’s no coincidence that since we signed him we’ve been shite. He may try hard, he may put in a shift and he may appear to care but if ultimately you’re a crap footballer at either PL or Championship level, you’re a crap footballer no amount of getting your shorts dirty can hide that.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: themossman on October 08, 2018, 05:34:07 PM
It’s not his fault he’s getting thrown into a makeshift team that can’t defend if attack and that he’s not a world class defender.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Drummond on October 08, 2018, 06:21:54 PM
He's done OK in this division. With guidance (eg Terry) he did quite well. He was never good enough in the top division as he was getting caught out of position and made rash challenges. Imagine what our defence would be like if he'd not been given the extension!
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: London Villan on October 08, 2018, 06:47:25 PM
We aren’t crap because we signed him, we signed him because we are crap... that said if we had 11 players that tried as hard as Alan we would have never been relegated.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on October 08, 2018, 07:39:20 PM
Agreed.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Hookeysmith on October 08, 2018, 07:55:54 PM
Let's hope the next manager / coach pick players on ability to play and play under instruction.
For all his effort ( which has never been questioned ) he is a seriously below average player that has the occasional game where he looks adequate.
The days of rolling sleeves and pulling socks up I hope will soon not be a pre requisite for selection.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Tayls_7 on October 09, 2018, 06:25:03 AM
Let's hope the next manager / coach pick players on ability to play and play under instruction.
For all his effort ( which has never been questioned ) he is a seriously below average player that has the occasional game where he looks adequate.
The days of rolling sleeves and pulling socks up I hope will soon not be a pre requisite for selection.

Don't worry mate.  I can confirm it hasn't been a pre-requisite for selection for a number of years  :o (wtf)
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Jon Crofts on October 09, 2018, 08:00:44 AM
Do you think his school report said 'Alan is a nice boy and he tries hard'?

No.

It more likely said 'Alan lacks ability & tries to make up for it by being everyone's friend'
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Clampy on October 09, 2018, 08:07:20 AM
I've never been a big fan of him as a footballer but I think he's been better under Bruce than at any other time here and you can't questioned his desire and attitude. He's not been terrible this season but not quite as decent as he was last season.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Risso on October 09, 2018, 09:03:34 AM
I've never been a big fan of him as a footballer but I think he's been better under Bruce than at any other time here and you can't questioned his desire and attitude. He's not been terrible this season but not quite as decent as he was last season.

A strong central pairing and decent goalkeeper last year let the likes of Hutton look better.  This season, the whole defensive unit including the keeper is an abomination, so it's no wonder they all look much, much worse.  I don't quite buy the deliberate sabotage theory, I'll just put it down to utter incompetence from Bruce.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on October 09, 2018, 03:07:04 PM


Is he a good defender ?

IMHO he's a very average defender with horrendous positioning problems even at this level. But does make a few good blocks/last ditch tackles from time to time and his facial expressions make it look like he cares a bit.

Does he offer anything going forwards ?

No. He's utterly useless with the ball and 50% of his runs up field end with him killing the momentum of any breakout or move as he always realises he's gone too far and inevitably has to stop, and pass the ball back to someone else due to his inability to cross a ball. The other 50% usually end with losing the ball or a woeful cross that goes nowhere near where it should.

I'd wager Elmo has had more assists this season that Hutton has in his entire Villa career.


If that's your idea a good player then fair enough. I beg to differ obviously.



Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Chris Jameson on October 09, 2018, 03:31:07 PM
I don't dislike him, he's one of the few who look like they give a toss but bloody hell, he's a terrible right back and even worst left back.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Pvb1968 on October 09, 2018, 03:41:41 PM
He should have left the club after he was bombed to the reserves and loaned out to Bolton, farcical that he is still a villa player but certainly fits the remit for the last 10 years.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Risso on October 09, 2018, 04:33:32 PM
He should have left the club after he was bombed to the reserves and loaned out to Bolton, farcical that he is still a villa player but certainly fits the remit for the last 10 years.

The fact is though, in terms of full backs, he's far being from the worst we've had in that time. 
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: London Villan on October 09, 2018, 08:58:24 PM
He’s not the worst now, or even the worst 1st team left back...
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: myf on October 09, 2018, 09:08:57 PM
he's a liability.  I've said it for years
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Villa in Denmark on October 10, 2018, 09:56:02 AM
he's a liability.  I've said it for years
He’s not the worst now, or even the worst 1st team left back...
Unfortunately at this point in time these two statements don't preclude eachother.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Pvb1968 on October 10, 2018, 10:22:48 AM
He looks like he's running around with a hand grenade, made me smile the first time I heard that.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on October 10, 2018, 11:08:29 AM
He'd be great as a table soccer player.Wooden,can't turn, and moves like he's got a rod through his chest.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: tomd2103 on October 10, 2018, 12:12:02 PM
He's had a good couple of seasons since we came down and has built a good rapport with the fans, but we should not have offered him a new contract in the summer considering the disproportionate amount of right backs at the club.  It would have been a bit harsh, but those are the kind of decisions that have to be made sometimes.  He should have been moved on and the money he was on used to try and bring a starting left-back in permanently or on loan.   
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Villa in Denmark on October 10, 2018, 01:51:01 PM
He's had a good couple of seasons since we came down and has built a good rapport with the fans, but we should not have offered him a new contract in the summer considering the disproportionate amount of right backs at the club.  It would have been a bit harsh, but those are the kind of decisions that have to be made sometimes.  He should have been moved on and the money he was on used to try and bring a starting left-back in permanently or on loan.   
Is the correct answer.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Hookeysmith on October 10, 2018, 03:10:32 PM
He'd be great as a table soccer player.Wooden,can't turn, and moves like he's got a rod through his chest.

very good
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: footyskillz on October 25, 2018, 10:31:36 PM
Culpable  for both goals v Norwich and has played all 14 matches time for a break v QPR.

He needs a rest for 3 matches in a week .
He has endeavors and has shown some energy in getting forward but I like Bree or even Elmo to play right back for a bit starting tomorrow
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on October 26, 2018, 01:08:26 PM


It's got to be time to give Bree a long run of games at right back now surely ?

Not one or two, at least ten to show us what he can do and possibly save us having to buy yet another RB in the summer
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: TheMalandro on October 26, 2018, 10:40:11 PM
One of the worst right backs, yet not all that bad at left back.
Weird.

I like him but not the right guy for us now.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Villatillidie1982 on October 26, 2018, 10:50:40 PM
He has been a loyal servant and our player of the season on a couple of seasons but this season he has become slower and looks more of a liability. A better left back than right back.

Maybe old age catches up with us all.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: West Derby Villan on October 27, 2018, 01:24:36 AM
Love and respect the guy for attitude, after the way the club shit on him, but, this is his final season with us if we are to improve
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: mr underhill on October 27, 2018, 11:21:23 AM
yep a season too far for Cafu
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on October 27, 2018, 11:22:56 AM
I’d still have him at Left Back ahead of Taylor.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: mr underhill on October 27, 2018, 12:50:52 PM
I see where you're coming from but bottom line is, it's like a choice between being burned or boiled alive.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: FatSam on October 27, 2018, 01:09:19 PM
He’s limited, but he’s significantly better than Taylor, especially going forwards. I’d play him at left back and Bree at right back until Christmas. His surging runs aren’t clever, but are at least direct, and bring a bit of variety to our attacking.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: in exile on October 27, 2018, 02:34:15 PM
He's finished and hopefully replaced in January
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 27, 2018, 02:47:44 PM
He works hard. But the harder he works to compensate for his diminishing technical skills the more it reveals his failings as a footballer. It’s all very desperate.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on October 27, 2018, 02:55:11 PM
He's finished and hopefully replaced in January

I'd rather he was replaced from next Friday personally, it's not like we have no options. Held us back for years with his lack of footballing nous
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Ads on October 27, 2018, 03:07:16 PM
I'd like Bree to have a chance.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on October 27, 2018, 03:19:24 PM
He's finished and hopefully replaced in January

I'd rather he was replaced from next Friday personally, it's not like we have no options. Held us back for years with his lack of footballing nous

Enough about Steve Bruce, tell us what you think about Hutton.

There was a slide rule pass last night from Hutton that if Jack had made it everybody would be banging on about his class. Hutton is trying to up his game technically but age is not on his side. For me, his biggest weakness is he just can't cross a ball. Pretty shocking fault to have as a full back. It's tiresome to see our fullbacks in great advanced positions having to give the ball to another player as they can't cross a ball.

Elmo isn't great but can deliver as can Bree. I think Smith has given Taylor a clean slate to see what he can do at left back but it can't be long before he moves Hutton back over to the left and Elmo or Bree fill in on the right. Bree seems to fit more the type of player Smith prefers. A left back will be on the shopping list in January.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: wittonwarrior on October 27, 2018, 03:51:26 PM
Agree Huron will need to switch sides Taylor is woeful as for a left back could it possibly be bidwell
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: ChicagoLion on October 27, 2018, 06:04:39 PM
His biggest weakness is his fucking useless positional sense and it has cost us goals since he started playing for us.
Monday was another in the long list of Hutton brain fucks.
He is supposed to be a defender and despite all of his other “attributes “ he continues to fail to meet the  job description.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on October 27, 2018, 07:55:39 PM
I was rather hoping Deano's new broom would sweep Hutton into the garbage bin.Or Rangers
Anywhere but our defence.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Pvb1968 on October 27, 2018, 08:10:18 PM
He has been here 5 years longer than he should have, he is a poor man's Kevin gage. I love his effort but he should not be our right back.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: brian green on October 27, 2018, 08:11:53 PM
I have said many time the way to improve his crossing is for him not to cross at all.  Charge down the touchline which is what he does well.  Then don't cross it.  Put it out for an opposition throw at the corner flag.  Hutton gets back into a proper defensive position. Our forwards press the throw.  Infinitely more productive than shovelling the ball across into the seats.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Sexual Ealing on October 27, 2018, 08:35:31 PM
I have said many time the way to improve his crossing is for him not to cross at all.  Charge down the touchline which is what he does well.  Then don't cross it.  Put it out for an opposition throw at the corner flag.  Hutton gets back into a proper defensive position. Our forwards press the throw.  Infinitely more productive than shovelling the ball across into the seats.

I love this idea Brian!
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: brontebilly on October 27, 2018, 09:35:47 PM
Had a much better game last night after arguably being at fault for both goals v Norwich. Surprised Smith is still persisting with Hutton/Elmo on right side. Both try hard but there is a glaring lack of quality on our right side.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: chrisw1 on October 28, 2018, 08:32:48 AM
I have said many time the way to improve his crossing is for him not to cross at all.  Charge down the touchline which is what he does well.  Then don't cross it.  Put it out for an opposition throw at the corner flag.  Hutton gets back into a proper defensive position. Our forwards press the throw.  Infinitely more productive than shovelling the ball across into the seats.

I love this idea Brian!
What about the two excellent crosses into the box he played on Tuesday?  Tammy hit the post from one of them.

Yes we need an upgrade but the obsession with critising him is getting a bit much. 
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: achilles on October 28, 2018, 12:44:52 PM
I have said many time the way to improve his crossing is for him not to cross at all.  Charge down the touchline which is what he does well.  Then don't cross it.  Put it out for an opposition throw at the corner flag.  Hutton gets back into a proper defensive position. Our forwards press the throw.  Infinitely more productive than shovelling the ball across into the seats.

I love this idea Brian!
What about the two excellent crosses into the box he played on Tuesday?  Tammy hit the post from one of them.

Yes we need an upgrade but the obsession with critising him is getting a bit much. 

I agree, it really is monotonous, we have greater problems than him!
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: mr underhill on October 28, 2018, 01:01:45 PM
we don't though, he's part of the defence that is our primary problem.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: tomd2103 on October 28, 2018, 11:36:59 PM
Had a much better game last night after arguably being at fault for both goals v Norwich. Surprised Smith is still persisting with Hutton/Elmo on right side. Both try hard but there is a glaring lack of quality on our right side.

I think it is about getting the balance and the formation right more than anything.  In a lot of teams in the modern game, the width is provided by the full-backs and the more advanced wide player is tucked in.  Wolves play that way, though they play three at the back and play with wing backs, but other teams do it with a back four.

If we are going to go that way, then Taylor and Hutton simply aren't good enough on the ball to be that wide outlet. 
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: adrenachrome on October 29, 2018, 02:29:49 AM
The closer you are to to the training pitch, the less you are likely to drop Alan Hutton.

There is not a cat in hell's chance that Dean Smith will drop him until we have a viable alternative.  Prepare for James Collins as well.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Mister E on October 29, 2018, 07:39:46 AM
I said on the QPR match thread that playing Hutton and Elmo on the same wing is problematic because neither seem capable of beating their man on the outside. The result is that the game inevitably slows down when it's over on the right.
Unfortunately, moving Hutton to the left will achieve the same outcome on the left wing, if we have no left-footer playing either at FB or LMF / wing.

Personally, I'd continue with the underwhelming Taylor in the short-term and dump Hutton in favour of Elmo or Bree at FB.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on October 29, 2018, 07:58:35 AM
I said on the QPR match thread that playing Hutton and Elmo on the same wing is problematic because neither seem capable of beating their man on the outside. The result is that the game inevitably slows down when it's over on the right.
Unfortunately, moving Hutton to the left will achieve the same outcome on the left wing, if we have no left-footer playing either at FB or LMF / wing.

Personally, I'd continue with the underwhelming Taylor in the short-term and dump Hutton in favour of Elmo or Bree at FB.
Agreed
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on October 29, 2018, 10:54:47 AM
I said on the QPR match thread that playing Hutton and Elmo on the same wing is problematic because neither seem capable of beating their man on the outside. The result is that the game inevitably slows down when it's over on the right.
Unfortunately, moving Hutton to the left will achieve the same outcome on the left wing, if we have no left-footer playing either at FB or LMF / wing.

Personally, I'd continue with the underwhelming Taylor in the short-term and dump Hutton in favour of Elmo or Bree at FB.
Agreed

also agreed

putting Hutton on the left just takes the same problem to the other side of the pitch

Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: john e on October 29, 2018, 11:36:56 AM
i don't mind Hutton he is what he is and does a reasonable job but he is limited

but i have to admit seeing Hutton and Elmo linking up down the right does make the heart sink, its just so predictable and pedestrian

i have a lot of hopes in Smith and like what he is trying to do already but if he keeps playing Elmo, Taylor and Whelan in the same team i will start losing faith in him
there must be better options than having that bunch of no hopers in the team

if he played one of the youth players and they performed exactly the same as one of those three we would be saying they are not ready  they are not good enough etc, but these very box standard below average players just keep getting in

Smith has got to change it round at some point and take a few risks, which i believe he doesn't mind doing

 Hutton is ok on his own but when he's in a team with other oldies, waifs, strays and players who struggle with a football he just becomes part of the bigger problem of not being able to deliver what Smith is wanting to do
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: tomd2103 on October 29, 2018, 01:02:20 PM
I said on the QPR match thread that playing Hutton and Elmo on the same wing is problematic because neither seem capable of beating their man on the outside. The result is that the game inevitably slows down when it's over on the right.
Unfortunately, moving Hutton to the left will achieve the same outcome on the left wing, if we have no left-footer playing either at FB or LMF / wing.

Personally, I'd continue with the underwhelming Taylor in the short-term and dump Hutton in favour of Elmo or Bree at FB.

Agree.  Taylor has been playing really poorly for some time now, but moving Hutton to left-back has it's own problems as well.  I think the problem at left back is only going to be sorted by bringing in one or potentially two new options there.   
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: paul_e on October 29, 2018, 05:48:16 PM
I said on the QPR match thread that playing Hutton and Elmo on the same wing is problematic because neither seem capable of beating their man on the outside. The result is that the game inevitably slows down when it's over on the right.
Unfortunately, moving Hutton to the left will achieve the same outcome on the left wing, if we have no left-footer playing either at FB or LMF / wing.

Personally, I'd continue with the underwhelming Taylor in the short-term and dump Hutton in favour of Elmo or Bree at FB.

Agree.  Taylor has been playing really poorly for some time now, but moving Hutton to left-back has it's own problems as well.  I think the problem at left back is only going to be sorted by bringing in one or potentially two new options there.   

I'm happy with us recalling Mitch Clark as an option for left back. I'd recall Suliman as well and give Bree and the u23 midfielders a shot. If there's no money available in this window without sales I'd accept that as the starting point in Early Jan and then see what happens over the window. As John e suggests above, if we're gonig to have performances which aren't quite good enough I'd rather they come from 19-21 year olds who will learn from it than guys in their 30s who haven't been able to learn those lessons over a career.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on October 29, 2018, 06:07:03 PM
Needs resting.Freshen things up a bit.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Drummond on November 02, 2018, 09:03:10 PM
I like his boots. All black old school.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: DB on November 02, 2018, 09:40:29 PM
Everything about Hutton is old school, and not in a bad way
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: chrisw1 on November 02, 2018, 09:48:21 PM
Very good game tonight.  Well done SC
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 02, 2018, 10:57:05 PM
Very good game tonight.  Well done SC

Shanking those crosses though....

He was solid but ultimately in the Smith system we need FBs who can actually cross as him and Taylor got in decent positions and then slowed the play down.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: chrisw1 on November 02, 2018, 11:19:09 PM
Very good game tonight.  Well done SC

Shanking those crosses though....

He was solid but ultimately in the Smith system we need FBs who can actually cross as him and Taylor got in decent positions and then slowed the play down.
He put some excellent crosses.  I can recall him shanking one, was there more than that?
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: olaftab on November 02, 2018, 11:21:45 PM
Excellent work by Alan for the first goal but didnt have much to do otherwise.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Pvb1968 on November 03, 2018, 08:06:57 AM
That cross that probably landed in the old IMI car park in the second half made me laugh.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on November 03, 2018, 10:52:11 AM


Probably his best game of the season last night. 6/10

And that's the problem.

I think i'd have rated Taylor higher.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: DB on November 03, 2018, 11:09:43 AM
A lot of effort but a very limited footballer.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: chrisw1 on November 03, 2018, 11:20:44 AM


Probably his best game of the season last night. 6/10

And that's the problem.

I think i'd have rated Taylor higher.
I think your assessment is ridiculous.  You’ll never be able to see past your own bias regarding Hutton.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Lastfootstamper on November 03, 2018, 01:22:31 PM
Both full backs looked okay last night, I thought. Crossing could be of better quality. They joined in, made themselves available, tidy short passing, didn't slow the game down.

Improving, but still work in progress. Much like the rest of the team.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Risso on November 03, 2018, 01:38:26 PM
Hutton and Taylor looked better, in that they at least looked reasonably competent and didn't give me heart failure every time they went near the ball.

Nyland on the other hand, is a joke of a player.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 03, 2018, 01:46:11 PM
Both full backs looked ok vs Bolton. They are both at best decent back up players.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: chrisw1 on November 03, 2018, 01:46:41 PM
Hutton played a few shit balls but also some dangerous crosses and linked up really well around the box. He was involved in a lot of good moments last night with the odd comedy one to bring it back down to earth.  I think if an opposition player had played that game against us people would have been saying he was impressive
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: garyshawsknee on November 03, 2018, 01:53:00 PM
Both full backs looked ok vs Bolton. They are both at best decent back up players.

You're right TV, they look ok, it's only when we get real quality in those positions we will realise how much we have been held back in recent years.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on November 03, 2018, 04:57:28 PM


Probably his best game of the season last night. 6/10

And that's the problem.

I think i'd have rated Taylor higher.
100%
He's a shanker
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on November 03, 2018, 07:49:45 PM


Probably his best game of the season last night. 6/10

And that's the problem.

I think i'd have rated Taylor higher.
100%
He's a shanker

You two should get a room if you haven't already.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Steve67 on November 03, 2018, 08:43:38 PM
We are getting to the stage where Smith's work on the training pitch will pay off but we will see those players who hold us back.  Sadly, as great an attitude as Alan has, he will hold us back, as will Taylor.  Both were ok last night but Taylor has a natural predaliction to go backwards instead of going for the throat and Alan lacks accuracy with his final ball.  We need upgrades.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 03, 2018, 09:02:53 PM
I think he gets a lot of stick that e doesn't deserve. He's obviously not, say, Cafu(!), and he's no Mark Delaney either. But I think that for where we are, our priorities are in several areas of the pitch way before we get to right-back.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 03, 2018, 11:01:40 PM
I personally think Bree should be given a go.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: SheffieldVillain on November 03, 2018, 11:04:00 PM
I think he gets a lot of stick that e doesn't deserve. He's obviously not, say, Cafu(!), and he's no Mark Delaney either. But I think that for where we are, our priorities are in several areas of the pitch way before we get to right-back.

I'm not sure that right back isn't a priority. But I'd like to see us give other right backs at the club a proper chance first - De Laet and Bree (not Richards!) - before going out and bringing in yet another.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Pvb1968 on November 04, 2018, 03:09:48 AM
De laet looked good pre season.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Mister E on November 04, 2018, 02:21:12 PM
Hutton is mediocre at best.
I'm surprised Smith hasn't tried someone else at RB; he has some options in that position.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: in exile on November 04, 2018, 05:01:34 PM
He's left handed you know
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on November 04, 2018, 06:37:25 PM
Still our best right back, still our best left back.

Not the greatest player ever to pull on a shirt, but he is Villa through and through and has grafted. Better than Bree, DeLaet, Taylor, Elmo, Richards all of whom have been bought in to replace him over the years.

I don't understand the stick he gets tbh.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: SheffieldVillain on November 04, 2018, 09:00:44 PM
Still our best right back, still our best left back.

Not the greatest player ever to pull on a shirt, but he is Villa through and through and has grafted. Better than Bree, DeLaet, Taylor, Elmo, Richards all of whom have been bought in to replace him over the years.

I don't understand the stick he gets tbh.

Because, in the same way that when Bruce was coming out with 'all I ask of them is that they put on their boots and put in a shift', it isn't all that matters.

Who knows whether Bree or De Laet are better than him, they've never had a run in the team. Taylor wasn't brought in to replace him either. He was bought in to be a left-back, admittedly not something he's very good at.

As for 'Villa through and through' - we happen to be the club who have paid him very well for the last 7 years, his employer nothing else. The amount of interest during his bomb squad days suggests he has done very well to be on the contract and length of time he's had here.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 04, 2018, 09:21:29 PM
Maybe, but we have had plenty of players that have taken the money for fuck all over the years. Even during the bomb squad days, Hutton always kept himself match fit, as evidenced by his Scotland performances when he never looked unfit.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: SheffieldVillain on November 04, 2018, 09:45:56 PM
Maybe, but we have had plenty of players that have taken the money for fuck all over the years. Even during the bomb squad days, Hutton always kept himself match fit, as evidenced by his Scotland performances when he never looked unfit.

Wouldnt argue with that. Doesn't make him 'Villa through and through' or a good enough full back in 2019 though, just someone who takes a bit of pride in himself.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: andyh on November 04, 2018, 10:14:02 PM
Maybe not Villa ‘through and through’, but I think he’s very much a Villa man.
Remember, he could have left in the summer and took a massive pay cut in order to stay, and all that was before we had any inkling of the takeover.

I don’t mind Hutton at all, FOR NOW.
He’s still good enough for this level and I’d even go so far as to say I wouldn’t mind seeing him back at left back again (he’s better than Taylor) with Elmo coming in at right back.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: ktvillan on November 04, 2018, 10:56:25 PM
For all his so called effort (which I don't buy into) his defensive positioning is often hopeless.  Loads of opposition chances and goals stem from him being way off where he should be or simply switching off and  losing his man.  There was another example on Friday, the one Chester cleared off the line, the header came from where Hutton should have been.  De Laet and Bree may be well better, we've not really had a chance to find out.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: SheffieldVillain on November 04, 2018, 11:06:47 PM
Maybe not Villa ‘through and through’, but I think he’s very much a Villa man.
Remember, he could have left in the summer and took a massive pay cut in order to stay, and all that was before we had any inkling of the takeover.

Depends what other offers he got, doesn't it. I doubt there would have been many if any offering the money he was on for his old contract.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: dave shelley on November 05, 2018, 08:40:54 AM
Maybe not Villa ‘through and through’, but I think he’s very much a Villa man.
Remember, he could have left in the summer and took a massive pay cut in order to stay, and all that was before we had any inkling of the takeover.
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Depends what other offers he got, doesn't it. I doubt there would have been many if any offering the money he was on for his old contract.

Wasn't he offered a longer contract at Forest I think it was?  That makes a big difference for a player of his age.  Football is cliché-ridden but as far as I'm concerned, not a great footballer but close to a model professional.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 05, 2018, 11:39:59 AM
Certainly can't question his commitment. Last season on the whole he was good but then in an SB team all full backs are required to be solid defensively and get in the odd cross.

I think in this style though the full backs need to be good passers, link well with the forwards and get regularly to to the byline. The two we started on Friday simply won't do it. AEM is probably better bet up to January as he does have a decent cross on him but don't think Dean wants to shift Hutton back to left back as he prefers balance on both flanks.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 05, 2018, 01:05:12 PM
For all his so called effort (which I don't buy into) his defensive positioning is often hopeless.  Loads of opposition chances and goals stem from him being way off where he should be or simply switching off and  losing his man.  There was another example on Friday, the one Chester cleared off the line, the header came from where Hutton should have been.  De Laet and Bree may be well better, we've not really had a chance to find out.
Exactly, he is a repeat offender at being in the wrong place at 5he wrong time.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: GarTomas on November 05, 2018, 01:15:40 PM
Fantastic professional in attitude.
Average professional in ability.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Hookeysmith on November 05, 2018, 01:18:41 PM
Fantastic professional in attitude.
Average professional in ability.

case closed
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: WarszaVillan on November 05, 2018, 03:33:27 PM
 I don't get  the Alan Hutton song - not the 'Cafu one' but the other 'Alan Hutton, Alan Hutton' chant. It's obviously taken from the Proclaimers and has the potential to be a great song. But why doesn't it develop? A few 'Da da dums' added at the end, like in the original, would turn it into a good little chant. If we're being really ambitous the lyrics could be adapted ending with the line 'Just to be the man who walked a thousand miles to see Alan Hutton score...' It's all very frustrating
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: tomd2103 on November 05, 2018, 03:42:13 PM
Certainly can't question his commitment. Last season on the whole he was good but then in an SB team all full backs are required to be solid defensively and get in the odd cross.

I think in this style though the full backs need to be good passers, link well with the forwards and get regularly to to the byline. The two we started on Friday simply won't do it. AEM is probably better bet up to January as he does have a decent cross on him but don't think Dean wants to shift Hutton back to left back as he prefers balance on both flanks.

Agree with this.  As well as he did during our first couple of seasons in the Championship, he should not have been offered a new contract in the summer. 

As you say, the side is now crying out for a couple of modern day full-backs who can offer as much in attack as they can in defence.  For all his eye-catching effort, Hutton isn't that player and it is noticeable when you watch him closely how many of his passes put other players in trouble. 
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Mister E on November 05, 2018, 03:46:02 PM
For all his so called effort (which I don't buy into) his defensive positioning is often hopeless.  Loads of opposition chances and goals stem from him being way off where he should be or simply switching off and  losing his man.  There was another example on Friday, the one Chester cleared off the line, the header came from where Hutton should have been.  De Laet and Bree may be well better, we've not really had a chance to find out.
Well summarised.
If Hutton is the best we've got it indicates how far we have to go to return to the midtable mediocrity of the Prem. And, that is no reflection on his professionalism: he has trained, grafted and cut out the cynical side of his game (remember Shane Long?). Hoever, he is so limited.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: JUAN PABLO on November 05, 2018, 05:30:22 PM
id love to see Bree given a go and he scored 2 goals last night for the u23  but then again Villa conceded 5 goals
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: AV82EC on November 05, 2018, 07:34:32 PM
I don't get  the Alan Hutton song - not the 'Cafu one' but the other 'Alan Hutton, Alan Hutton' chant. It's obviously taken from the Proclaimers and has the potential to be a great song. But why doesn't it develop? A few 'Da da dums' added at the end, like in the original, would turn it into a good little chant. If we're being really ambitous the lyrics could be adapted ending with the line 'Just to be the man who walked a thousand miles to see Alan Hutton score...' It's all very frustrating

“Villa fans learn lyrics” shocker. Our chants have been appalling for years. We can be inventive but it’s all too rare.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on November 06, 2018, 01:53:21 PM
id love to see Bree given a go and he scored 2 goals last night for the u23  but then again Villa conceded 5 goals

as much as i want Bree to be given an extended run at RB, i don't think him scoring a couple of goals would be the deciding factor.

a killer couple of defensive performances perhaps.



Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: paul_e on November 06, 2018, 05:24:51 PM
id love to see Bree given a go and he scored 2 goals last night for the u23  but then again Villa conceded 5 goals

as much as i want Bree to be given an extended run at RB, i don't think him scoring a couple of goals would be the deciding factor.

a killer couple of defensive performances perhaps.

A couple of great performances in general, the idea that fullbacks are defenders first and foremost is why we keep getting stuck with players like Hutton and Taylor who look completely unnatural with the ball at their feet and rarely provide any threat. Look at how fans reacted to Amavi who was putting in 2-3 superb crosses every game but was prone to the odd defensive error, instead of wanting the club to work on it far too many people were happy to replace him. Unless we get away from that mindset we're going to keep repeating the same mistakes.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on November 06, 2018, 07:20:08 PM


a full back that can defend would be nice for starters. if they can also play football and cross a ball that'd be even better of course
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: john e on November 06, 2018, 08:42:17 PM


a full back that can defend would be nice for starters. if they can also play football and cross a ball that'd be even better of course

I'm not sure there's to many Ashley Cole's out there at this level but I agree and here's to hoping
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Hookeysmith on November 07, 2018, 12:56:45 PM
I have often thought that a few tactically astute opposing Managers had instructed their full backs to let Hutton encroach into their half on the basis that once he loses it then there are huge spaces behind him to exploit. It certainly seems to happen with some consistency
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: tomd2103 on November 07, 2018, 01:13:38 PM
id love to see Bree given a go and he scored 2 goals last night for the u23  but then again Villa conceded 5 goals

as much as i want Bree to be given an extended run at RB, i don't think him scoring a couple of goals would be the deciding factor.

a killer couple of defensive performances perhaps.

A couple of great performances in general, the idea that fullbacks are defenders first and foremost is why we keep getting stuck with players like Hutton and Taylor who look completely unnatural with the ball at their feet and rarely provide any threat. Look at how fans reacted to Amavi who was putting in 2-3 superb crosses every game but was prone to the odd defensive error, instead of wanting the club to work on it far too many people were happy to replace him. Unless we get away from that mindset we're going to keep repeating the same mistakes.

I think missing out on Bryan in the summer was a blow, as he is the type of full-back who would probably flourish under Smith. 
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on November 09, 2018, 01:01:52 AM
I have often thought that a few tactically astute opposing Managers had instructed their full backs to let Hutton encroach into their half on the basis that once he loses it then there are huge spaces behind him to exploit. It certainly seems to happen with some consistency

Fortunately we have a tactically astute Manager who gets the defensive midfielders to cover for him. I saw it the other night and I was shocked that we cover the space of our attacking defenders. It's a team game. Tactics and systems are two subjects that are going to be discussed a hell of a lot more over the coming seasons. The blame game will hopefully be a thing of the past.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: paul_e on November 09, 2018, 10:19:47 AM
I have often thought that a few tactically astute opposing Managers had instructed their full backs to let Hutton encroach into their half on the basis that once he loses it then there are huge spaces behind him to exploit. It certainly seems to happen with some consistency

Fortunately we have a tactically astute Manager who gets the defensive midfielders to cover for him. I saw it the other night and I was shocked that we cover the space of our attacking defenders. It's a team game. Tactics and systems are two subjects that are going to be discussed a hell of a lot more over the coming seasons. The blame game will hopefully be a thing of the past.

Which is exactly what should ahppen but is also why we need to focus on full backs who can make the most of the freedom that gives them to push forward and be 'the extra man', Hutton and Taylor aren't what we need if that's the plan.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: old man villa fan on November 09, 2018, 12:14:23 PM
I think we are all agreed that we need fullbacks pushing on when there is space and players should drop in to cover them.  The problem comes when it is tight or you are into the 2nd or 3rd phase of play and the fullback is still up there at the expense of the midfield player who is covering him and who would be better offensively with the ball than the fullback. This happens so many times with our fullbacks.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: paul_e on November 09, 2018, 01:44:55 PM
I think we are all agreed that we need fullbacks pushing on when there is space and players should drop in to cover them.  The problem comes when it is tight or you are into the 2nd or 3rd phase of play and the fullback is still up there at the expense of the midfield player who is covering him and who would be better offensively with the ball than the fullback. This happens so many times with our fullbacks.

Yep, there's 2 solutions, you either tell your fullbacks to stay deeper so they can quickly get back if we lose possession (this was Bruce's approach) or you find fullbacks that contribute more.  For me the 4 players who need to always be aware of their positioning (in a 433 based team) are the centre backs, the defensive midfielder and the striker. Everyone else should be able to, when we're in our attacking 3rd, start to look for space, or makes runs to create space and I include the fullbacks in that, I want them to feel they can go beyond their winger, outside or inside.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on November 09, 2018, 04:03:00 PM
I think we are all agreed that we need fullbacks pushing on when there is space and players should drop in to cover them.  The problem comes when it is tight or you are into the 2nd or 3rd phase of play and the fullback is still up there at the expense of the midfield player who is covering him and who would be better offensively with the ball than the fullback. This happens so many times with our fullbacks.

Yep, there's 2 solutions, you either tell your fullbacks to stay deeper so they can quickly get back if we lose possession (this was Bruce's approach) or you find fullbacks that contribute more.  For me the 4 players who need to always be aware of their positioning (in a 433 based team) are the centre backs, the defensive midfielder and the striker. Everyone else should be able to, when we're in our attacking 3rd, start to look for space, or makes runs to create space and I include the fullbacks in that, I want them to feel they can go beyond their winger, outside or inside.

which is useful if said fullback can actually do anything with the ball in those forward positions. if not they might as well stay back surely?

Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: passport1 on November 09, 2018, 05:08:34 PM
Probably heard Smithy talking about Barcelona yesterday. Its good to dream.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: paul_e on November 09, 2018, 09:45:16 PM
I think we are all agreed that we need fullbacks pushing on when there is space and players should drop in to cover them.  The problem comes when it is tight or you are into the 2nd or 3rd phase of play and the fullback is still up there at the expense of the midfield player who is covering him and who would be better offensively with the ball than the fullback. This happens so many times with our fullbacks.

Yep, there's 2 solutions, you either tell your fullbacks to stay deeper so they can quickly get back if we lose possession (this was Bruce's approach) or you find fullbacks that contribute more.  For me the 4 players who need to always be aware of their positioning (in a 433 based team) are the centre backs, the defensive midfielder and the striker. Everyone else should be able to, when we're in our attacking 3rd, start to look for space, or makes runs to create space and I include the fullbacks in that, I want them to feel they can go beyond their winger, outside or inside.

which is useful if said fullback can actually do anything with the ball in those forward positions. if not they might as well stay back surely?


I guess it depends, if Smith wants to play like that (as seems to be the case) then it's better to implement it the best he can and then try to replace the players who aren't suited in January once they've had a decent chance to pick things up in training and have shown they're not going to adapt.
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 25, 2018, 07:16:52 PM
Courtesy of Joe_C on Facebook.

(https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/46638506_10156653100440320_1220000484224401408_n.jpg?_nc_cat=110&_nc_ht=scontent-lhr3-1.xx&oh=c312a426ee57a41c5e4d018a3b31cf43&oe=5C7AABDE)
Title: Re: Alan Hutton
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on November 25, 2018, 07:21:01 PM
Never mind a royal prefix: after today, give the guy a knighthood!
Title: Re: Alan McCafu
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 25, 2018, 08:45:52 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ds3ibziWsAETxoy.jpg)
Title: Re: Alan McCafu
Post by: mike on November 25, 2018, 08:48:34 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ds3ibziWsAETxoy.jpg)

Every now and then, there is a point to the internet.
Title: Re: Alan McCafu
Post by: chrisw1 on November 25, 2018, 09:04:07 PM
Fantastic!
Title: Re: Alan McCafu
Post by: Diablo on November 26, 2018, 09:30:22 AM
You could see how much it meant to him in his interview immediately after the match. Just brilliant!
Title: Re: Alan McCafu
Post by: SashasGrandad on November 26, 2018, 09:38:55 AM
When McCafu retires he has been offered the lead role of Moses in a remake of Exodus.
Title: Re: Alan McCafu
Post by: walsall villain on November 26, 2018, 10:08:40 AM
Very infrequently you see a villa player do something extraordinary. That was right up there with the best, especially in the context of the opposition. Second ‘wow’ goal at Villa Park this season (McGinn Sheffield W). That’s it folks for this season, just loads of ordinary goals to come!
Title: Re: Alan McCafu
Post by: darren woolley on November 26, 2018, 10:09:09 AM
What a brilliant goal by the Scottish Cafu a world class goal if I have ever seen one it had the hallmark of Maradona's second in 86 it was that good take a bow Mr Hutton.
Title: Re: Alan McCafu
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on November 26, 2018, 11:16:30 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ds3ibziWsAETxoy.jpg)

Every now and then, there is a point to the internet.

O brasileiro hutton....O brasileiro hutton......
Title: Re: Alan McCafu
Post by: mr underhill on November 26, 2018, 11:42:53 AM
the high watermark of Alan's career. No question.
Title: Re: Alan McCafu
Post by: Smirker on November 26, 2018, 11:46:52 AM
You could see how much it meant to him in his interview immediately after the match. Just brilliant!

Is there a link to this anywhere mate?
Title: Re: Alan McCafu
Post by: Diablo on November 26, 2018, 11:55:38 AM
You could see how much it meant to him in his interview immediately after the match. Just brilliant!

Is there a link to this anywhere mate?
Just checked on Youtube, unfortunately it isn't on there yet. It was on Sky and it was the interview with Hutton and Jack directly after the match. I don't have Sky - maybe there is someone who has access to it and has the magical ability and kind nature to share it? Sorry I wasn't of more help Smirker. Just checked on the free Sky player and it doesn't seem to be on there either yet.
Title: Re: Alan McCafu
Post by: Villa75 on November 26, 2018, 12:39:35 PM
I've always been happy to be in the minority, on here, when it comes to Alan Hutton. He's the type of player I like and appreciate. A true professional who gives everything. The kind of player I loved playing with, all those years ago.

He was properly choked up when being interviewed after the game. That's how much the club means to him. Another one who's played elsewhere, but will talk about Villa as 'us' when he's retired.👍

Title: Re: Alan McCafu
Post by: Comrade Blitz on November 26, 2018, 01:16:51 PM
As soon as he got the ball I was thinking "fuck, he's gonna do it again isn't he?"

Alan Fucking Hutton. Fuck yeah.
Title: Re: Alan McCafu
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 26, 2018, 02:18:47 PM
You could see how much it meant to him in his interview immediately after the match. Just brilliant!

Is there a link to this anywhere mate?

https://www.facebook.com/avfcofficial/videos/517348665400531
Title: Re: Alan McCafu
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 26, 2018, 03:09:04 PM
Title: Re: Alan McCafu
Post by: gage against the machine on November 26, 2018, 09:00:33 PM
Altogether now...

"Cafu, from the halfway line!"
Title: Re: Alan McCafu
Post by: Smirker on November 26, 2018, 10:22:40 PM
You could see how much it meant to him in his interview immediately after the match. Just brilliant!

Is there a link to this anywhere mate?

https://www.facebook.com/avfcofficial/videos/517348665400531

Thank you mate 💜💙
Title: Re: Alan McCafu
Post by: Smirker on November 26, 2018, 10:24:19 PM
Ah, won't let me watch it without a Facebook account. 😕
Title: Re: Alan McCafu
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 26, 2018, 10:35:51 PM
Ah, won't let me watch it without a Facebook account. 😕

Try this https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1067016365154873345
Title: Re: Alan McCafu
Post by: chrisw1 on November 27, 2018, 10:37:09 AM
You could see how much it meant to him in his interview immediately after the match. Just brilliant!

Is there a link to this anywhere mate?

https://www.facebook.com/avfcofficial/videos/517348665400531

Thank you mate 💜💙
I think it was the sky interview with him & Grealish where he really came across as more emotional.  I'll see if I can find it.
Title: Re: Alan McCafu
Post by: amfy on November 27, 2018, 10:45:14 AM
During that interview you could see him keep looking round at The Holte. He couldn’t wait to get away to come to us - and for once, we waited. We waited for them both. It was a moment where you really feel like ‘we got our Villa back’ - that bond is what it means.
Title: Re: Alan McCafu
Post by: Chris Smith on November 27, 2018, 11:19:20 AM
During that interview you could see him keep looking round at The Holte. He couldn’t wait to get away to come to us - and for once, we waited. We waited for them both. It was a moment where you really feel like ‘we got our Villa back’ - that bond is what it means.

Yes, felt the same Amfy, him and Grealish were both trying to get away. I thought that it was quite fitting that the pair of them were there on their own to celebrate with the Holte.
Title: Re: Alan McCafu
Post by: UK Redsox on November 27, 2018, 01:22:44 PM


This popped up on my Twitter feed. I don't get it

Why has that particular clip of music been added ?
Title: Re: Alan McCafu
Post by: Risso on November 27, 2018, 01:25:03 PM


This popped up on my Twitter feed. I don't get it

Why has that particular clip of music been added ?

There have been a few memes where that music has been added to a video in a humorous attempt to make the clip seem more dramatic.

https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/my-heart-will-go-on (https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/my-heart-will-go-on)
Title: Re: Alan McCafu
Post by: john e on November 27, 2018, 02:26:50 PM
makes me laugh the way he jumps straight into the crowd
not running up to them and throwing his arms around them at the front but full blooded jumping straight in there getting totally mobbed

Title: Re: Alan McCafu
Post by: dave shelley on November 27, 2018, 02:33:18 PM
When his time with us is up, he will leave with, for some of us legendary status, not for all and I get that but for many of us, that goal on Sunday given who the opposition were will surely have cemented it.
Title: Re: Alan McCafu
Post by: Diablo on November 27, 2018, 02:39:38 PM
makes me laugh the way he jumps straight into the crowd
not running up to them and throwing his arms around them at the front but full blooded jumping straight in there getting totally mobbed


I think it was after the Hull game he said in an interview that's his goal celebration now lol He's obviously more than happy to take a booking each time he scores - lovin' it!
Title: Re: Alan McCafu
Post by: Villafirst on November 27, 2018, 02:50:30 PM
Why was he booked? I thought you only got booked for removing your shirt? Stupid rules which are sadly endemic these days - the killjoys that make the rules....
Title: Re: Alan McCafu
Post by: Diablo on November 27, 2018, 03:24:47 PM
Yeah he got booked after the Hull celebrations, I didn't see him get the yellow after the goal celebrations on Sunday but just checked and he did get a card so I'm assuming it was for that (or did he get a yellow when he took out 2 of their players?).
Title: Re: Alan McCafu
Post by: Risso on November 27, 2018, 03:25:32 PM
Jumping into the crowd is a bookable offence. You can celebrate in front of them but not go over the advertising hoardings.
Title: Re: Alan McCafu
Post by: Diablo on November 27, 2018, 03:33:05 PM
You could see how much it meant to him in his interview immediately after the match. Just brilliant!

Is there a link to this anywhere mate?

https://www.facebook.com/avfcofficial/videos/517348665400531

Thank you mate 💜💙
I think it was the sky interview with him & Grealish where he really came across as more emotional.  I'll see if I can find it.
Yeah it was, he wasn't anywhere near as composed in the first interview and as Amfy says both him and Grealish looked as though they wanted to get back to join in the celebrations.
Title: Re: Alan McCafu
Post by: stuart r on November 27, 2018, 03:33:27 PM
Why was he booked? I thought you only got booked for removing your shirt? Stupid rules which are sadly endemic these days - the killjoys that make the rules....

Book 'em I say. Totally unnecessary.
Goal celebration rules to be observed:
Defender - Clenched fist and then jog back to your own half slightly embarrassed to have scored. Team mates are allowed to slap you on the back as you go.
Midfielder - Perfunctory mobbing from team mates allowed followed by arm held aloft as you glance up to the Holte End. 
Striker - Stand stock still, both arms in the air accepting the adulation of the Holte and awaiting the congratulations of team mates. One team mate is allowed to launch himself at you for a manly embrace. Slightly more time given to allow for striker's massive egos to be satiated by the adoration.
All (if not winning) - Grab the ball from the net and run back to the half way line. Refuse any congratulations whilst angrily gesturing to team mates to get on with the match in hand.
Title: Re: Alan McCafu
Post by: The Edge on November 27, 2018, 05:39:10 PM
New song doing the rounds on Twitter "and I would walk 500 miles and I would walk 500 more just to be the man that walked 100 yards through Birminghams back four. Alan Hutton Alan Hutton Alan Hutton Alan Hutton"
Title: Re: Alan McCafu
Post by: chrisw1 on November 27, 2018, 05:50:17 PM
You could see how much it meant to him in his interview immediately after the match. Just brilliant!

Is there a link to this anywhere mate?

https://www.facebook.com/avfcofficial/videos/517348665400531

Thank you mate 💜💙
I think it was the sky interview with him & Grealish where he really came across as more emotional.  I'll see if I can find it.
Yeah it was, he wasn't anywhere near as composed in the first interview and as Amfy says both him and Grealish looked as though they wanted to get back to join in the celebrations.
found it...
https://twitter.com/i/status/1066693125941415937
Title: Re: Alan McCafu
Post by: Jon Crofts on November 27, 2018, 09:08:15 PM
9 touches and it’s in the net. Quality.
Title: Re: Alan McCafu
Post by: Singapore Villa on November 28, 2018, 03:37:12 AM
New song doing the rounds on Twitter "and I would walk 500 miles and I would walk 500 more just to be the man that walked 100 yards through Birminghams back four. Alan Hutton Alan Hutton Alan Hutton Alan Hutton"

That’s ace!
Title: Re: Alan McCafu
Post by: Jon Crofts on November 28, 2018, 10:02:36 AM
New song doing the rounds on Twitter "and I would walk 500 miles and I would walk 500 more just to be the man that walked 100 yards through Birminghams back four. Alan Hutton Alan Hutton Alan Hutton Alan Hutton"

That’s ace!

Marvellous, can’t wait to hear that belting out.
Title: Re: Alan McCafu
Post by: Jon Crofts on November 28, 2018, 10:47:23 AM
Found this on Twitter.

Hutton's running,
All around you,
Grealish playing,
Having fun.

It's the season,
Love and understanding,
Merry Christmas, Birmingham.

Title: Re: Alan McCafu
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on November 28, 2018, 12:22:26 PM
Found this on Twitter.

Hutton's running,
All around you,
Grealish playing,
Having fun.

It's the season,
Love and understanding,
Merry Christmas, Birmingham.

Brilliant! Wonder if we'll hear that too?

It's starting to go round my head now: makes a change from Celine Dion!

Just hope we don't do a "post-Wolves game" tonight...
Title: Re: Alan McCafu
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on November 28, 2018, 12:24:51 PM
Found this on Twitter.

Hutton's running,
All around you,
Grealish playing,
Having fun.

It's the season,
Love and understanding,
Merry Christmas, Birmingham.

Brilliant! Wonder if we'll hear that too?

It's starting to go round my head now: makes a change from Celine Dion!

Just hope we don't do a "post-Wolves game" tonight...
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Why? Is Bruce back ;)
Title: Re: Alan McCafu
Post by: Diablo on November 28, 2018, 01:41:40 PM
Found this on Twitter.

Hutton's running,
All around you,
Grealish playing,
Having fun.

It's the season,
Love and understanding,
Merry Christmas, Birmingham.


I have a strong personal dislike to any Christmas celebrations/decorations/ songs/markets/shopping before December the 1st (bah humbug!) however I'll take joy in making this the exception - Ho! Ho! Ho! Merry Christmas!
Title: Re: Alan McCafu
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 28, 2018, 07:45:54 PM
He's halfway to Moseley!

https://www.facebook.com/bbcwmsport/videos/288031951821556
Title: Re: Alan McCafu
Post by: XXVilla on November 29, 2018, 08:23:29 AM
Two daft yellow cards and now a ban. Needs to tighten up on the discipline
Title: Re: Alan McCafu
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on November 29, 2018, 04:05:59 PM


Still crap where it matters but everyone knows that deep down.
Title: Re: Alan McCafu
Post by: themossman on November 29, 2018, 04:10:43 PM
Didn’t I hear in the commentary he just had to get through that game and they’re wiped?
Title: Re: Alan McCafu
Post by: Border villan on November 30, 2018, 08:51:49 AM
Happy birthday Cafu and Andy Gray. One a great goal scorer the other the scorer of a great goal.
Title: Re: Alan McCafu
Post by: brian green on November 30, 2018, 09:11:49 AM
Patron Saint of Scotland Day too.  I refuse to write the words.
Title: Re: Alan McCafu
Post by: Risso on November 30, 2018, 09:31:36 AM
Two daft yellow cards and now a ban. Needs to tighten up on the discipline

Yes, two of those are for over exuberant celebrations, which must make managers tear their hair out.  The Alan Hutton of old would have been banned for trying to dismember somebody in a tackle!
Title: Re: Alan McCafu
Post by: dave shelley on November 30, 2018, 09:48:34 AM
Didn’t I hear in the commentary he just had to get through that game and they’re wiped?

My lad's birthday too.  I'm not sure if he knows he share's it with Cafu though.
Title: Re: Alan McCafu
Post by: The Left Side on November 30, 2018, 03:54:09 PM
My birthday too but I am not Scottish.
Title: Re: Alan McCafu
Post by: manic-road on November 30, 2018, 04:24:13 PM
Didn’t I hear in the commentary he just had to get through that game and they’re wiped?

Yes all yellow cards accumulated were wiped out after the last game. Mind you after the tackle on McGinn I'm not surprised Hutton was backing up his team mate which led to the booking.
Title: Re: Alan McCafu
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 30, 2018, 04:39:29 PM
They aren't wiped but I think it becomes 10 yellows to pick up a ban.
Title: Re: Alan McCafu
Post by: Pvb1968 on November 30, 2018, 04:56:35 PM
Christmas is a commercial whore fest that has no meaning other than spending money you haven't got. 🤑
Title: Re: Alan McCafu
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on November 30, 2018, 07:34:30 PM
My birthday too but I am not Scottish.

One of my nephews turns 21 today too. He's neither Scottish or a Villa fan.

Evidently a popular date for a birthday, is 30th November!

Title: Re: Alan McCafu
Post by: wittonwarrior on November 30, 2018, 08:12:23 PM
Think it’s fair for to say he has grown on me and thousands others
Title: Re: Alan McCafu
Post by: Pete3206 on December 03, 2018, 11:04:51 PM
Pipped to the Ballon D'or. Is there no justice?
Title: Re: Alan McCafu
Post by: XXVilla on December 04, 2018, 12:30:20 PM
Christmas is a commercial whore fest that has no meaning other than spending money you haven't got. 🤑

Alright Scrooge....
Title: Re: Alan McCafu
Post by: Drummond on December 04, 2018, 03:26:54 PM
Pipped to the Ballon D'or. Is there no justice?

Depends if he can Twerk?
Title: Re: Alan McCafu
Post by: DennisHodgetts on December 04, 2018, 03:36:22 PM
Pipped to the Ballon D'or. Is there no justice?

Depends if he can Twerk?
The way he used those Scottish snake hips to swivel through SHA, twerking will come naturally to him surely? ;)
Title: Re: Alan McCafu
Post by: kieron on December 21, 2018, 07:49:19 AM
"🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 @AVFCOfficial full-back Alan Hutton has won the #SkyBetChampionship Goal of the Month for November for his memorising solo goal against rivals @BCFC!"

https://twitter.com/SkyBetChamp/status/1075994272766152704


Hutton said: “It's a real pleasure to have been awarded Goal of the Month - thank you to everyone who voted for me.

“It was one of those 'once in a lifetime' goals. When you add that to the occasion it was a very special moment for me personally.

“I've never scored a goal like it and I'll probably never score another like it ever again!”
Title: Re: Alan McCafu
Post by: eamonn on December 21, 2018, 09:23:29 AM
That's so honest!
Title: Re: Alan McCafu
Post by: Matt Collins on January 01, 2019, 05:13:25 PM
Ridiculous perfomance today

He was awol all game. That second goal was always gonna happen at some point

Give me Taylor all day long
Title: Re: Alan McCafu
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 01, 2019, 05:16:30 PM
Terrible defensive display that cost us the game. Between him and Elmo they’ve cost us about 6 points of late.
Title: Re: Alan McCafu
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 01, 2019, 05:24:39 PM
I’m convinced we have the worst full backs in the division. Aside from the odd flash of brilliance they are both complete liabilities. Toss in Taylor too. We literally need 2 of each side for next season.
Title: Re: Alan McCafu
Post by: paul_e on January 01, 2019, 05:26:06 PM
Ridiculous perfomance today

He was awol all game. That second goal was always gonna happen at some point

Give me Taylor all day long

Yep, they'd got in behind him 4-5 times before that but we just haven't got the option to replace him. Once we do get a left back I hope we don't just automatically shift him to the right because Bree did pretty well today and deserves to keep his spot.
Title: Re: Alan McCafu
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 01, 2019, 05:26:38 PM
I’m convinced we have the worst full backs in the division. Aside from the odd flash of brilliance they are both complete liabilities. Toss in Taylor too. We literally need 2 of each side for next season.

I’d agree although I think Bree has promise and looks decent.
Title: Re: Alan McCafu
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 01, 2019, 05:29:12 PM
One thing is attacking and leaving space behind (which should be covered by the defensive midfielder) but for their first goal not only was he caught out in an attacking position with no cover, he raced back and then switched off. If he'd carried on he could have cut out the ball across the box thus preventing the goal. Both he and Horrihane were responsible with their lack of defending. Dean Smith needs to share the blame and bring some much needed discipline to Hutton's game. A left back at left back might be a better alternative.
Title: Re: Alan McCafu
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on January 01, 2019, 06:12:02 PM

Oh Alan.

If his forward surges led to anything consistently you'd probably be able to forgive some of his woeful defensive positioning. But 99% of the time they don't obviously.

He's just a very very poor footballer that gets a freebie on graft and attitude alone.

Every opposition team we play know how to play against us, and most of time it'll be 'attack Hutton' or let him have the ball and get ready to break once he loses it up field. It's embarrassingly bad at times

Title: Re: Alan McCafu
Post by: Lastfootstamper on January 02, 2019, 10:43:27 AM
His performance yesterday struck me as having an air of him knowing his time is up. Bree is ahead of him at right back, and a left back must surely be arriving imminently.
Title: Re: Alan McCafu
Post by: Richard on January 02, 2019, 10:51:35 AM
He's 34 and we need to move forward with a proper left footed left back if we are ever going to get promotion. Thanks for your efforts though.
Title: Re: Alan McCafu
Post by: UK Redsox on January 02, 2019, 10:54:54 AM
I’m convinced we have the worst full backs in the division. Aside from the odd flash of brilliance they are both complete liabilities. Toss in Taylor too. We literally need 2 of each side for next season.

I’d agree although I think Bree has promise and looks decent.

I thought that Bree looked very ponderous yesterday. His failed attempt to stay with the QPR player during the breakaway for their second goal highlighted his lack of pace.

I'd much prefer Hutton at right back than Bree

Title: Re: Alan McCafu
Post by: Oscar Arce on January 02, 2019, 10:58:28 AM
Bree wamdered over to the wrong side of the pitch following the ball in the first half that nearly cost us, he did the same in the second half and that did cost us, I'm not impressed overall that he is good enough for us.
Get Hutton back to his proper position and a new left back is my opinion.
Title: Re: Alan McCafu
Post by: sickbeggar on January 02, 2019, 11:02:58 AM
Aye. Even Bruce pensioned him off this time last year until the financial problems forced a re-think. I remember when he arrived and after a few games of watching him kick people up in the air, it sort of confirmed Villa were now a club who's sole objective was to survive in the PL rather than compete. Having said that, considering the bobbins that's arrived and left during his time, he hasn't done a bad job in comparison
Title: Re: Alan McCafu
Post by: john e on January 02, 2019, 11:21:16 AM
the first goal yesterday didn't come from him giving the ball away,
 quite the opposite actually he played a lovely cross field ball to one of our players who received the ball and was in a forward area as was Hutton
no one mentions that of course because its not the narrative for the Hutton haters
the cross from that player (cant remember who) was poor which gave them the chance to break away whilst Hutton and the rest were scrambling back

Hutton is then is conceding space, of course he is, he was in an advanced position and then had to track back while they were running at us on a counter attack
now the way to negate this is for Hutton and the other defenders to drop deep not push forward and keep a solid line
you know like the teams that Pulis and Bruce out


you know the ones we all moan about for being too negative
you can't have it both ways
i wonder sometimes whether some of you understand the concept of counter attacking football and how when it happens the defenders are not in their places with comments of 'oh look at the space Huttons giving them' strikes me you'd be better off watching the turgid shit that Pulis puts out where the defenders don't get past the half way line

this is the Smith way and we arn't very good at it yet and it comes with risks like all attacking football does

we need better players to play in that style and Hutton is one of them that needs replacing
 yes i agree he isn't good enough long term, even short term but to read stuff like he shouldn't ever play in the shirt again just shows an ignorance of the game and a lack of understanding of how different styles will leave you open at times

if you play front foot attacking football your going to concede space at the back and there's not a lot you can do about it
to then criticise your defender for playing a decent ball in the first instance but isn't standing exactly where you want him on the counter attack is frankly pathetic

i don't think he's a great player and we need someone better but that's the case with most of the team, starting with the midfield area





Title: Re: Alan McCafu
Post by: Steve67 on January 02, 2019, 11:28:04 AM
John-e, Hutton haters is a bit strong and unnecessary in my opinion. He's done a job, sometimes well, sometimes very poorly.  He is as inconsistent as the rest of them and needs replacing as he's getting on and at the end of his contract.  I don't hate him though.
Title: Re: Alan McCafu
Post by: brontebilly on January 02, 2019, 11:32:54 AM
Still probably our best option at right or left back, which says a lot for the other options.

He was never a good defender, has been a problem all his career, no awareness of players getting in behind him.

In saying that Id probably give him another year's contract.
Title: Re: Alan McCafu
Post by: sickbeggar on January 02, 2019, 11:35:04 AM
John-e, Hutton haters is a bit strong and unnecessary in my opinion. He's done a job, sometimes well, sometimes very poorly.  He is as inconsistent as the rest of them and needs replacing as he's getting on and at the end of his contract.  I don't hate him though.

Yep. He probably arrived at VP a few seasons too early. In the context of a decent championship left-back then he's not been a bad buy overall. He just had to wait a few years for us to become bad enough to make a positive contribution 8)
Title: Re: Alan McCafu
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on January 02, 2019, 11:46:04 AM
John-e, Hutton haters is a bit strong and unnecessary in my opinion. He's done a job, sometimes well, sometimes very poorly.  He is as inconsistent as the rest of them and needs replacing as he's getting on and at the end of his contract.  I don't hate him though.

Yep. He probably arrived at VP a few seasons too early. In the context of a decent championship left-back then he's not been a bad buy overall. He just had to wait a few years for us to become bad enough to make a positive contribution 8)

A depressingly excellent summary.
Title: Re: Alan McCafu
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on January 02, 2019, 12:19:07 PM
John-e, Hutton haters is a bit strong and unnecessary in my opinion. He's done a job, sometimes well, sometimes very poorly.  He is as inconsistent as the rest of them and needs replacing as he's getting on and at the end of his contract.  I don't hate him though.

I absolutely hate him as a football player, always have. Doesn't mean I hate him as a person though quite clearly, he seems a good sort.

But watching him try to play football drives me barmy.
Title: Re: Alan McCafu
Post by: Ad@m on January 02, 2019, 12:29:50 PM
Yesterday felt like the beginning of the end for him.  I get that they all must be pretty knackered after so many games in a short space of time but the amount of times he got caught out of position was absolutely criminal.  Maybe he can get away with it against teams who aren't so focused on counter attacking but after that showing I can see more and more teams targetting him over the rest of this season.
Title: Re: Alan McCafu
Post by: ktvillan on January 02, 2019, 12:45:08 PM
To imply some of his many defensive deficiencies are a result of us playing on the front foot under Smith is wide of the mark in my view.   He was equally shit at defending under the turgid, pudding style approach of Bruce, and under previous managers.  The fact is that when he ventures forward he occasionally does some good stuff, but often doesn't.  I think his forward play has improved under Smith though.   He then tends to jog back rather than bust a gut to get back in position.  He often fails to keep track of runners from deep when doing so.   When back in defence he is frequently too narrow and allows wingers acres of space, and doesn't close down quickly enough to prevent crosses.  I've lost count of the number of times he's lost his man at set pieces which result in free headers and often goals.  See Leeds' first goal for example.  I've kept a close eye on him for a while to try to see what the cult status is all about and I'm buggered if I can see why he is so popular with some, or even why people think he "puts in a shift".  Doesn't mean I hate him, just that I don't think he's very good. 
Title: Re: Alan McCafu
Post by: paul_e on January 02, 2019, 12:56:00 PM
That 's a long post to say not very much but that still manages to completely miss the fact that Hutton has spent years being caught out of position and letting players get in behind him under multiple managers. His defensive mistakes aren't because he's being asked to get forward, they're because he is terrible at marking space. Most of his strong performances come against better players where he's told to man mark them but he really struggles when he hasn't got a direct opponent to mark (such as when teams play wing backs or have a very attacking fullback and a winger who cuts inside).

I don't hate Hutton, I hate the fact that he's our longest serving player and got a new contract in the summer though because I don't think he's very good and a goal against the blues isn't enough to change my mind. I do have plenty of respect for his professionalism though, if his talent matched his attitude he'd have had a fantastic career.
Title: Re: Alan McCafu
Post by: bill on January 02, 2019, 01:01:09 PM
Get rid of him. Absolute liability as a defender. Too old too slow. A wingers dream opponent. Can virtually guarantee an easy delivery by the opposition wide men into our box. That’s if he’s even within 20 yards of the guy he’s supposed to be marking. He’s not the only shit defender we have, but his time is certainly up.
Title: Re: Alan McCafu
Post by: cdward on January 02, 2019, 01:02:31 PM
Generally as defenders get older they get wiser, and make up for their lack of pace with their positional sense.
The frustrating thing with Hutton, is that he hasn't.
Title: Re: Alan McCafu
Post by: Drummond on January 02, 2019, 02:33:57 PM
His job should be to man-mark whoever the oppo's most attacking player is. He did well against Traore when he did just that. Don't let him think as he's not very astute; however, given a specific task and he'll execute it well.
Title: Re: Alan McCafu
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 02, 2019, 02:50:46 PM
why would you loan out  RDL and keep Elmo and Hutton
Title: Re: Alan McCafu
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on January 02, 2019, 02:52:24 PM
why would you loan out  RDL and keep Elmo and Hutton

Good question. None of them are long term solutions and all three are probably on a fair whack as well. Bin em all, thanks for the effort Elmo
Title: Re: Alan McCafu
Post by: old man villa fan on January 02, 2019, 02:52:47 PM
Anybody that hates one of our own players should not be supporting the team. We all have opinions about players but that should not extend to hating them. Conversely,  we have to accept criticism of players we like without going on a frenzied attack of the poster or spreading the blame by picking on other players.

Personally,  I have never rated Hutton because of his defensive positioning and switching off. I do not dislike him because of this but I almost always think there are better alternatives to him. I respect him as a professional to keep going and wanting to be involved.  There have been and are far worse players picking up wages that should be nowhere near the club.
Title: Re: Alan McCafu
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 02, 2019, 02:56:57 PM
Hes a trier , he just isnt that good. Thats why we are 10th in the championship because of players like Hutts .
Title: Re: Alan McCafu
Post by: Pvb1968 on January 02, 2019, 02:58:17 PM
He looks like he's running frome the police when he bombs down the touchline. Big heart but by christ he and almahamdy are poor defenders.
Title: Re: Alan McCafu
Post by: Neil Hawkes on January 02, 2019, 03:00:15 PM
If we get a left back in the window, what about as a holding DM instead of BB/Whelan?
Title: Re: Alan McCafu
Post by: JUAN PABLO on January 02, 2019, 03:00:23 PM
He looks like he's running frome the police when he bombs down the touchline.

How do you know he isnt
Title: Re: Alan McCafu
Post by: Matt Collins on January 02, 2019, 04:52:51 PM
If we get a left back in the window, what about as a holding DM instead of BB/Whelan?

Hutton?

😂
Title: Re: Alan McCafu
Post by: Neil Hawkes on January 02, 2019, 05:27:11 PM
If we get a left back in the window, what about as a holding DM instead of BB/Whelan?

Hutton?

😂
If no-one was coming in directly, who out of the following 4 who would you prefer as DM - BB/Whelan/Jedinak/Hutton?
Genuine question as each has their merits and limitations.
Title: Re: Alan McCafu
Post by: paul_e on January 02, 2019, 06:08:21 PM
If we get a left back in the window, what about as a holding DM instead of BB/Whelan?

Hutton?

😂
If no-one was coming in directly, who out of the following 4 who would you prefer as DM - BB/Whelan/Jedinak/Hutton?
Genuine question as each has their merits and limitations.

Hutton would honestly be in 5th on the list of 4 you've given.
Title: Re: Alan McCafu
Post by: john e on January 02, 2019, 06:11:05 PM
If we get a left back in the window, what about as a holding DM instead of BB/Whelan?

Hutton?

😂
If no-one was coming in directly, who out of the following 4 who would you prefer as DM - BB/Whelan/Jedinak/Hutton?
Genuine question as each has their merits and limitations.

put all the names into a hat and pick one out before every game
wouldn't matter an iota which one got picked as there is nothing between the lot of  them

genuine answer to your question
Title: Re: Alan McCafu
Post by: Ads on January 02, 2019, 06:54:55 PM
He's a woeful player. Gives his all, but he's shocking.
Title: Re: Alan McCafu
Post by: Neil Hawkes on January 02, 2019, 07:01:09 PM
Fair comment
Title: Re: Alan McCafu
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on January 02, 2019, 07:26:16 PM
If we get a left back in the window, what about as a holding DM instead of BB/Whelan?

Hutton?

😂
If no-one was coming in directly, who out of the following 4 who would you prefer as DM - BB/Whelan/Jedinak/Hutton?
Genuine question as each has their merits and limitations.

Hutton would honestly be in 5th on the list of 4 you've given.

This, right up there with the play Hourihane and left back idea  ;D
Title: Re: Alan McCafu
Post by: robleflaneur on January 02, 2019, 07:40:15 PM
If we get a left back in the window, what about as a holding DM instead of BB/Whelan?

Hutton?

😂
If no-one was coming in directly, who out of the following 4 who would you prefer as DM - BB/Whelan/Jedinak/Hutton?
Genuine question as each has their merits and limitations.

Hutton would honestly be in 5th on the list of 4 you've given.

This, right up there with the play Hourihane and left back idea  ;D
Taking Kante as the protype ideal DM, pace coupled with tackling ability and reasonable passing ability,it would be possible to convert a few full backs into a DM.
Sadly,not Hutton.
Title: Re: Alan McCafu
Post by: john e on January 02, 2019, 07:47:11 PM
I always though JPA would have been great in centre midfield he was the most creative player in the team


Title: Re: Alan McCafu
Post by: Matt Collins on January 04, 2019, 08:49:18 AM
Right Alan, what I want you to do is get on the ball and spray it around. Play two touch. And hold your position

OK boss. I normally just get the ball, get my head down and run in a vertical line I until I hit someone.  Can I do that?
Title: Re: Alan McCafu
Post by: Jon Crofts on January 04, 2019, 09:14:28 AM
Astounded he’s still here, even more astounded he gets to play.
Title: Re: Alan McCafu
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 05, 2019, 09:56:12 PM
Time is up. Love his effort and application, but an absolute liability who shouldn’t be anywhere near the first team.
Title: Re: Alan McCafu
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on January 05, 2019, 10:05:34 PM
Time is up. Love his effort and application, but an absolute liability who shouldn’t be anywhere near the first team.
The mere fact he is , sums up how poorly this club has been managed ......no continuity or decent replacement planning - we now find ourselves in another rebuild scenario under yet another manager
Title: Re: Alan McCafu
Post by: itmustbe_it is! on January 05, 2019, 10:11:47 PM
How about centre forward - least he'd head towards goal every time he got the ball and we wouldn't need to worry about his defensive frailties
Title: Re: Alan McCafu
Post by: Blagg on January 05, 2019, 10:47:16 PM
Time is up. Love his effort and application, but an absolute liability who shouldn’t be anywhere near the first team.

February 2012, Wigan away. That was the day I realised how poor this man is at defending. The away support turned on McLeish that day too. Since then I have been waiting patiently (OK, not patiently) for Hutton's time in the team to end. Despite being bombed out by Lambert, and having his contract actually expire three times, he is still here buggering up our defence.  Seven years.  Seven bloody years.
Title: Re: Alan McCafu
Post by: aj2k77 on January 06, 2019, 12:03:05 AM
This guy, McCafu jokes aside, is fucking rubbish.
Title: Re: Alan McCafu
Post by: chrisw1 on January 06, 2019, 08:33:34 AM
Have you watched Elmo & Bree lately?

I realise he has his limits but you're  talking about the club's best right back who has dug us out of a hole  by playing left back for the last few weeks now filling in as an emergency left centre half flanked by Elphick & Taylor, a brand new keeper with Wheelan screening.

And despite all this, on a day full of shithouse performances it's still Hutton who gets the pelters?
Title: Re: Alan McCafu
Post by: CT on January 06, 2019, 08:36:03 AM
Have you watched Elmo & Bree lately?

I realise he has his limits but you're  talking about the club's best right back who has dug us out of a hole  by playing left back for the last few weeks now filling in as an emergency left centre half flanked by Elphick & Taylor, a brand new keeper with Wheelan screening.

And despite all this, on a day full of shithouse performances it's still Hutton who gets the pelters?

Elmo has been a walking disaster. As for Bree, maybe there is a player in there, but I'm clearly not seeing what others are. He's OK, he's average and doesn't offer a great deal going forward.

As you say, Hutton is an easy target.
Title: Re: Alan McCafu
Post by: Ads on January 06, 2019, 09:30:38 AM
What hole was he digging when he cost us the first goal at the Albion?
Title: Re: Alan McCafu
Post by: Roysmert on January 06, 2019, 11:39:13 AM
Bree wouldn't get in Barnsley's team now. As for Hutton he's a legend for that goal, but has struggled with being moved out of position constantly and suffers for being the fall guy in a shite defence.
Title: Re: Alan McCafu
Post by: UK Redsox on January 06, 2019, 12:29:57 PM
Hutton is still a class above Bree.
Title: Re: Alan McCafu
Post by: tomd2103 on January 06, 2019, 12:39:59 PM
To be fair to him, he had good two seasons in the Championship after we got relegated.  Like the manager though, he should have been thanked for his efforts and released after the play off final. 

He has scored two iconic goals this season, but like others such as Whelan, it is beginning to look a season too far for him. 
Title: Re: Alan McCafu
Post by: robleflaneur on January 06, 2019, 12:42:56 PM
Bree has just turned 21.Yet to have a consistent run in the RB position.Give the lad a chance.
Title: Re: Alan McCafu
Post by: mr underhill on January 06, 2019, 12:50:53 PM
Agree but on yesterday's showing there must be question marks over his ability. Personally I would have played Cafu there and given Revan a chance.
Title: Re: Alan McCafu
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on January 06, 2019, 12:54:36 PM
I'm still not sure why Bruce bought Bree, he never seemed remotely interested in using him.
Title: Re: Alan McCafu
Post by: Risso on January 06, 2019, 12:59:20 PM
I thought Bree had a decent game in our last league outing.  Full of energy, got up and down the pitch, and generally looked like a half decent right back.
Title: Re: Alan McCafu
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on January 06, 2019, 01:04:05 PM
I'm still not sure why Bruce bought Bree, he never seemed remotely interested in using him.
yes I could never understand why we brought Bree on board
Title: Re: Alan McCafu
Post by: UK Redsox on January 06, 2019, 01:28:14 PM
I thought Bree had a decent game in our last league outing.  Full of energy, got up and down the pitch, and generally looked like a half decent right back.

Against QPR ?

I thought that he was awful. His attempt to chase down his man during their breakaway for the second goal was woeful.
Title: Re: Alan McCafu
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 06, 2019, 02:38:44 PM
Hutton is still a class above Bree.

Bree is average. It’s a reliable level of what to expect. Hutton is a walking disaster in the making capable less and less of what he was once as a defender and more now at any point delivering Captain. You just don’t always know when it’s going to happen other than you know at some point it wil.
Title: Re: Alan McCafu
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on January 06, 2019, 02:41:02 PM


Very disappointed in Bree again yesterday, but he's a young lad. One we've done our best to ruin since we signed him so i'll forgive him a few errors for sure.

Hutton on the other hand. Well it's clearly a wind up playing him week in week out now. Someone must find it amusing even if i don't.
Title: Re: Alan McCafu
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 06, 2019, 02:42:56 PM
I thought Bree had a decent game in our last league outing.  Full of energy, got up and down the pitch, and generally looked like a half decent right back.

I agree, and he’s barely had any chance in his true position.
Title: Re: Alan McCafu
Post by: aj2k77 on January 06, 2019, 02:50:26 PM
Hutton is so out of position half the time it's difficult to gauge if he's left back, right back or center back.
Title: Re: Alan McCafu
Post by: Ads on January 06, 2019, 03:46:04 PM
I thought Bree had a decent game in our last league outing.  Full of energy, got up and down the pitch, and generally looked like a half decent right back.

Against QPR ?

I thought that he was awful. His attempt to chase down his man during their breakaway for the second goal was woeful.

Bree tracked the midfield runner Hourihane left drift past him and was out of position. He wasn't at fault in the slightest.
Title: Re: Alan McCafu
Post by: adrenachrome on January 06, 2019, 04:05:00 PM
Hutton is so out of position half the time it's difficult to gauge if he's left back, right back or center back.

In the old days, someone would have posted by now that he should be left back in the dressing room.
Title: Re: Alan McCafu
Post by: tomd2103 on January 06, 2019, 05:21:16 PM
I thought Bree had a decent game in our last league outing.  Full of energy, got up and down the pitch, and generally looked like a half decent right back.

Apart from two rash cross field passes towards the end of the game, I thought he did fine against QPR as well and needs a run in the side at RB.  Still think De Laet is better than all the options we have at RB though.
Title: Re: Alan McCafu
Post by: Matt Collins on January 06, 2019, 08:25:11 PM
I didn't think bree was at fault for the second v QPR. It was mostly about HUTTON from memory
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