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Heroes & Villains => Announcements => Topic started by: bertlambshank on August 18, 2012, 04:43:51 PM

Title: Streaming on Internet?
Post by: bertlambshank on August 18, 2012, 04:43:51 PM
Does this mean that YouTube is now banned as well.
Are you going to check everything on there for copyright infringement?
Title: Re: Streaming on Internet?
Post by: peter w on August 18, 2012, 05:44:45 PM
must have been a warning from a third party regarding copyright infringement.
Title: Re: Streaming on Internet?
Post by: bertlambshank on August 18, 2012, 05:47:22 PM
Everybody post links to YouTube on here.Just want to know if that is rule breaking.
Title: Re: Streaming on Internet?
Post by: Dave on August 18, 2012, 05:51:10 PM
must have been a warning from a third party regarding copyright infringement.
No warnings as far as I know.

We'd just rather not take the risk.
Title: Re: Streaming on Internet?
Post by: bertlambshank on August 18, 2012, 05:54:08 PM
Does that include YouTube or not?
Title: Re: Streaming on Internet?
Post by: Apyadg on August 18, 2012, 07:30:05 PM
Youtube isn't a live stream, so I'd guess not.
Title: Re: Streaming on Internet?
Post by: bertlambshank on August 18, 2012, 09:02:57 PM
Youtube isn't a live stream, so I'd guess not.
You can watch live stuff on YouTube including loads of 'free sport'.
Title: Re: Streaming on Internet?
Post by: bertlambshank on August 19, 2012, 09:45:32 AM
Check out the MOTD hIghlights posted by a mod.
Isn't that rule breaking?
I have no problem with the rule has long as everybody is treated the same.
Title: Re: Streaming on Internet?
Post by: martin@ardenley on August 19, 2012, 10:09:32 AM
Check out the MOTD hIghlights posted by a mod.
Isn't that rule breaking?

No, as it's not publicising a live stream
Title: Re: Streaming on Internet?
Post by: bertlambshank on August 19, 2012, 10:13:54 AM
Check out the MOTD hIghlights posted by a mod.
Isn't that rule breaking?

No, as it's not publicising a live stream
A judge wouldn't see it like that.You are better off banning the lot.
Title: Re: Streaming on Internet?
Post by: martin@ardenley on August 19, 2012, 10:17:50 AM
Check out the MOTD hIghlights posted by a mod.
Isn't that rule breaking?

No, as it's not publicising a live stream
A judge wouldn't see it like that.You are better off banning the lot.


Maybe, it's the Premier League that are pushing to close live streaming sites.
Title: Re: Streaming on Internet?
Post by: bertlambshank on August 19, 2012, 10:23:14 AM
I agree with that.its gonna get silly this season.
Title: Re: Streaming on Internet?
Post by: Legion on August 19, 2012, 10:23:49 AM
Check out the MOTD hIghlights posted by a mod.
Isn't that rule breaking?
I have no problem with the rule has long as everybody is treated the same.

It's not a live stream.
Title: Re: Streaming on Internet?
Post by: bertlambshank on August 19, 2012, 10:30:14 AM
Just be careful a boxing site I use has been closed down for posting links to fights after the event.
Title: Re: Streaming on Internet?
Post by: danlanza on August 19, 2012, 12:35:33 PM
So live streaming is illegal ? Could the powers that be close down H&V if somebody posts a link ? Do you not think that is a bit Big Brother ish ?
 Rules are rules and i will adhere to them but it does seem a bit petty that this great site could be put under threat for the simple reason of posting a link to a live stream site.
Title: Re: Streaming on Internet?
Post by: Legion on August 19, 2012, 12:38:30 PM
Yes.
Possibly.
Yes.
Title: Re: Streaming on Internet?
Post by: danlanza on August 19, 2012, 12:41:37 PM
Cheers
Thanks
Cheers
Title: Re: Streaming on Internet?
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 19, 2012, 12:47:33 PM
Sorry not sure how this was policed yesterday, but can we request a private message, or give our emails so people can post there?

Or maybe a short amnesty where people suggest hosting sites/search engines foe live footy?
Title: Re: Streaming on Internet?
Post by: bertlambshank on August 19, 2012, 12:57:59 PM
It is really easy to find streams.
Title: Re: Streaming on Internet?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 19, 2012, 09:53:19 PM
Check out the MOTD hIghlights posted by a mod.
Isn't that rule breaking?

I have no problem with the rule has long as everybody is treated the same.

There's no need to look for favouritism or double standards in it.

The request is pretty straightforward - please don't post links to match streams. Debate the rights or wrongs or inconsistencies of copyright law all you like (god knows, it is inconsistent enough), but it is specifically the sharing of match streams that we're asking people not to post.
Title: Re: Streaming on Internet?
Post by: bertlambshank on August 19, 2012, 09:57:47 PM
That was 12 hours ago calm down dear.
Title: Re: Streaming on Internet?
Post by: andyh on August 20, 2012, 11:27:20 AM
During the game on Saturday, there were people posting updates in the match thread, describing the game, incidents etc ?
What were they watching to be able to do that, just for future reference like ?   
Title: Re: Streaming on Internet?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 20, 2012, 11:52:20 AM
That was 12 hours ago calm down dear.

Are you going out of your way to piss off every mod at the moment, bert?
Title: Re: Streaming on Internet?
Post by: bertlambshank on August 20, 2012, 01:16:05 PM
Look back through the thread (my post about the boxing site as an example)and I was backing the bans on streams being posted.
Sites are being closed down for showing sports that are being posted after the event.
I did not claim there was double standards and got told off on Saturday just for saying the word of the site I was using.
Yesterday in the Playbook thread you mentioned v********s,and nobody said anything.
Title: Re: Streaming on Internet?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 20, 2012, 03:06:01 PM
Look back through the thread (my post about the boxing site as an example)and I was backing the bans on streams being posted.
Sites are being closed down for showing sports that are being posted after the event.
I did not claim there was double standards and got told off on Saturday just for saying the word of the site I was using.
Yesterday in the Playbook thread you mentioned v********s,and nobody said anything.


I mentioned the name of a streaming provider, which is entirely different to providing a stream to a match - in the same way that mentioning piratebay isn't the same as posting links to torrents there.

We haven't suddenly become rabidly anti-streaming, we're just being cautious in not wanting people to post links to streams here.

Pick it apart all you want, but that's what we've asked people not to do - we haven't suddenly become authoritarian nazis.
Title: Re: Streaming on Internet?
Post by: Risso on August 20, 2012, 08:12:52 PM
At least the match threads will be clear of every other post asking for a stream.  As Paulie says, it's pretty bloody easy to find one, even if you don't use Villastreams.  Which I don't, obviously, because that would be BAD!
Title: Re: Streaming on Internet?
Post by: paul_e on August 21, 2012, 08:51:52 PM
I look forward to a day when copyright laws are looked on as the nonsense they are.

To add context - I now live in Norway and can legally watch more premier league matches live on TV than people in the UK (6 of the 10 from this weekend were shown live), I know from experience that the same is true in Malta and Denmark, I guess in a lot of other countries too.  Conversely you can watch more live La liga games in the UK than you can in Spain.

I regularly (probably getting boring now) state the brilliance of the setup for rugby union in the UK - http://www.premiershiprugby.com/home.php (http://www.premiershiprugby.com/home.php) being yet another example of how things should be.  All matches are available in full 3 hours after the final whistle, highlights available as well and you can watch them all live for a monthly fee (not sure what the fee is this season as it's not available for signup yet, it's only active during the season so it automatically cancels your sub after the final).  Football has sold it's soul to sky and can't  offer something similar, which means the availability of the coverage is shocking in comparison, even more so when you consider the relative fanbases.
Title: Re: Streaming on Internet?
Post by: Steve R on September 02, 2012, 06:37:19 PM
Whether it is a proactive initiative to avoid possible action or a result of pressure from whomever, does anyone really think the mods are taking this stance out of sheer jobsworthiness?

TV companies have been going to some length for some time to - as they would see it - protect a lucrative source of money. It's only a matter of time before they think of further ways to do it.

I would have said that they are ultimately fighting a losing battle and would be better cultivating casual customers of live streaming than fighting them.  But that has got bugger all to do with this site or how it is moderated.



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